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249 - 3 Simple Rules to Slime-Free Sales

The Marie Forleo Podcast

08:29 min | Last month

249 - 3 Simple Rules to Slime-Free Sales

"I need you to fall in love with sales and marketing. It is the lifeblood of every business. I want you to embrace making money. I want you to embrace making a difference and not be timid about it and hold back on your heels but like comfort and own it Hey it's marie forleo and welcome to another episode of the marie forleo podcast. You know today as its qna. Tuesday and today's question comes from bettina. Hey marie it's me bettina. I'm talking to you all the way from geelong australia. My number one question would be howdy. Find perfect balance of getting your audience or community to understand the mission behind it. 'cause i have a social enterprise and how g get them to also understand the value and the content give away and how your social enterprise will bring them so much value and at the same time being able to help a whole different community so i am trying to battle. You know how did not speak to sail. See and not and at the same time before munaf about my price and about my mission and My message bettina. Thank you so much for this question. I want to acknowledge. Appreciate you for your big heart. It is so clear to all of us. How committed you are to make a difference. Now i'm gonna put on business hat marie because i want to get down to some brass tacks number one. Here's what i need you to focus on. I want you to choose the right customers. I mean by that so many business owners forget the basic fact that you get to choose who your customers are and for you my love you to make sure that you are targeting customers who can actually pay the kind of prices that you need to charge to not only pay yourself well but to pay your team well to be able to deliver outstanding services and then of course to take care of the social side of your mission to so price is really important target effectively. The second component to this is really making sure that you're targeting customers who actually care about the social side of your business. I'm not sure exactly what that is. But here's what i know about business as it is today you can target very specifically you can aim your efforts at the exact kind of people who have the interests and the income. That's gonna lie best with your business. So if you haven't spent enough time deciding precisely who your ideal customers are really selectively choosing them and aiming your efforts directly at them and them only that is step one step number two bettina. You need to focus on what matters to them. Not what matters to you. So when i was listening to your question i kept having this impulse that it was like. How do i get people to care about our mission. How do i get them to care about our content and really it the wrong way to think about a woman. Here's what you gotta understand. Every single human on the planet when they are about to buy a product or a service. They're listening to a little silent radio station in their head called. I f n what's in it for me. I don't care how big hard they are. they might want to save the whole entire planet. When you're about to buy something each of us are thinking about that. What is in it for me and you have got to take on that perspective. If you're going to be a successful business owner now look. We talked about this on marie. Tv before it's about shifting the spotlight away from you and shifting onto your customers if you wanna watch that episode which. I suggest you do all you need to do. Is google marie forleo the spotlight method and watched that episode. And actually do the exercises. That i tell you about my third tip for you bettina. Is this remember that facts. Tell and stories sell so once you understand and choose your ideal customers and once you really put the spotlight on them not you. You wanna start to tell stories about how you've taken customers or clients just like them and gotten them from where they started to where they want to be. There's a whole art and science around using stories to sell and it never feels sales e and it always inspires people to act if you want me to teach you step by step how to do this and so much more around messaging and making things really influential and persuasive in a way. That's true to your heart. You need to get your butt in the copy cure. It's our flagship writing program in. It will totally not only blow your mind but help you skyrocket your sales and your profits. You can go to get the copier dot com to go. Check it out really. It's amazing one more thing. I want to say bettina when i was listening to your question. I got the feeling that there's some type of hesitation around sales and marketing. You don't wanna come across to sales your little bit timid in that regard and i will say you. 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And i take people who've been a little bit timid about the pricing of what they should do and help them fly. And if you don't like my style that's cool but man get that training somewhere because it will change your life bettina. That was my eight year q. And i really do hope it helps and if you can make it happen get your butt in the copier. It's still open right now when we are publishing this. The program is amazing. It's backed by a money-back guarantees. You got nothing to lose everything to gain. And i promise you it. Will you transform your business. You will not regret it now for all the rest of you. I'm so curious. Was there anything we talked about today. That really stand off a spark or an off for your business. 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Geelong Cats 2021 Season Preview with Tom from the Cat Attack

Lace Out AFL Podcast

38:03 min | 2 months ago

Geelong Cats 2021 Season Preview with Tom from the Cat Attack

"For today's jalala twenty twenty one preview. I have the amazing. Tom king from pat attack. Podcast tom welcome to lisette chris. Good to be with you too far. Wilding glaringly twenty nine is life from ram one. Dancing count in richmond which is fantastic. Come around quick with the The short break between taipei twenty four grand farmland a match. What what is it my team. I think it is. I think it's about that a we'll ask you about the grandfather. But i'll think everybody's more excited to the fact alexi be able to go to gains fingers. Crossed will actually be able to in this stains with an ause beverage call paw and be able to just go crazy for a couple of well if every other than victoria is gonna be fallen It's just whether victoria's cayenne. Obviously that in the last few minutes as we speak how boston on wednesday than andrea says we added that fog dialup bannon victorious march restrictions will go back to to pray. So if that's the case You expected crabby. At least fifty percent will get the i feel for that when we get to the community series There are often full games in victoria. That white-cain threat. One dan Jameis bi stadium that get a testing ground for the crowds ads. Lip greece Yeah fingers crossed I'm looking forward to oregano probably rolling account. Richmond is a fame yeoman. County richmond is a hiccup on an attack on a up as much as a canaanite opening at random foot and oppose the cats on cairo. Well one of the things. I was gonna lead to twenty twenty one. It's got to be a massive season for you. But let's just rewind the clock a little bit twenty. Twenty grandfather will die. Unfortunately you guy. Down to the conquering richmond targets which. Who's decided that we in three full if you went back ten years ago while you're asked to never thought he was edmund. Probably the signpost. Bitcoin seven years ago. Why would you be investing in that analysis tom. Twelve months ago zoom twelve months ago. Anything all actually high harm office furniture. Full stop headed. The jalaun community reacts almost to the head of that sort of settled with them Moving into the obviously twenty twenty one. The area will be different disconnected because the cats were gone from her july line. Fans couldn't guard games. It was it was a different feel. I think in off suspect was a beautiful We will begin by bit. Assad and the caftans moved on pretty quickly. They wasn't a load of kicking the can down the straight by wildcat fans dragging the fate. I think pretty bullish about performances. I got to a grand final Incredible if it bar richmond geelong get the for stop Fainter match lochlann. Tom on the right of yet. Live on what july fought. July seeks eighty now gone until maybe yearly will visit the lightest. October twenty five zero. At least i could come home and some mexican dive in bulk. Took up while victoria. Battling accomplish things to hang around suck. I think Fans the sandeman from us by two was riding Disappointed probably nice disappointed that Ended eventually tyler up with another flag. Bought off think a a sense of all hang on. We'll with air. Batum cameron higgins smith family in the twenty twenty one gotta be shopping highly seemingly wasn't opportunity lost considering how you going into half time got the my main. Some just couldn't put the score on the board. I have to say that. Mr malaya's instead of just taken a normal set shot guys around the corner. It goes down the other industy. Does he's being lynched. Instead of having a nozzle buffa going into halftime it. Just broader all the white back in twenty nine. Pray limo live game You had that sense of deja vu that the cats dominated could never get far enough in front but then you look at a couple of things to the deed happened that you i will. That wouldn't only happened that little apple app. The saw dole hamble to sell things. Cancel themselves at Dangerfield that long haul Accurate in front of gaul. Just little things like that so they will bounce themselves at your grandma's the on i think we should we owning the finger lakes edge groen scoured bryan thousand fat wife and that's the way bronze comfortable. What he's locked to have that money back. No doubt a have accountable. Draymond twenty one. Twenty two points Second quarter but yeah win dusty keith. That goal. I think he got a job. College jasni pretty easily. And you just got that. Stinson gained while. I'm always keep that nas car on the third kodak The head john had to fought for. They galls reached in the second half and We got the result. And i think we've got the raw resolve like if you have a mutual observer football you would guy richmond winning the flag while the rock is out a modern geelong feigns. But i'll think wind hood anywhere near as much as two desmond and i can still talk about. That was actually at that time. So so i. I definitely feel pine from an observer's perspective it was twelve and five so he's in for yourselves. Your ended up runners-up up cam gaffer bay since i snow year remain. Chris got guys into his eleven season. This year he's got a percentage of Seventy percent which is actually pretty good but he still comes a lot of ridicule especially when it comes to the falls sold at the he's at warranted or is it. Just just how it. He's not warranted. It's warranted you judged on. hey. Coaching falls down. But there's a couple of habits to that the A little put on on. Chris scott's catching road in falls You say yourself beguiling set yourself up to filing why getting and he gets them the so it must be something wrong during during the year any king coach and he's got a good army lieutenant surrounding as well. What happens in Offering it's more a main Became it's come into for the cats A lot of a lot of ice falls in a suspect by found himself in a capitalize farmers going away behind and it just becomes a white too hot to carry suck but easy to auburn guilty as a very. It's like shooting fish in a barrel holes about decided officially barrer get prescott side Should have done more with these. Least use Twenty food item That lost with on a blind the blog Salad sony was targeted to pull chapman delegates. Suspended from that port allied fondly in the fraley oregon geelong wingman the gallon the flag by if i say to get beaten by the saw. That goes on wins. It except fratelli than twenty-seven Joma bait nap on to that yet at priming side. Look chris. Got three code will deserves to be microscopes as but do we dig deep enough Enough sometimes and the the thing is forty clubs such close books that they give you the fulling five and i got one to up the talk. Petty dangerfield played in the grand final. Why plight ford most of the the second half but clubs that getting at because in our looking for excuses it's easy to find excuses But jong is hard on. I said i just felt like is hard it to get used Excuse look i'm a massive melba. Melvin minimum album fain and a new position of losing. Because way just drop rather be in your shoes. Then shoes and twenty out pretty good natalie farm and we could. We could dr the if you log in watch last night game because i had to get some joy after massey's lossing on twenty twenty one i want to bring up is the little master. The great main jablu junior retired. How much of an impact did he and coming back to the club. A couple of years ago just bring to the to the club to to the geelong region etc because it costs income. High salt memberships. And that's that's probably the the the bottom line was what helped getting back Ac lesson good for you applied did get money too long attain -cially He didn't have the impacting twenty. Twenty that he didn't have that he had nineteen nine By got the chance to three hundred. Fifty diane's Just fell short. Two hundred and fifty along being But you know that we got the same line in other grain fondled in the white nine hypothetically suffered a shoulder injury comes back then we found it has series of Throw it with was pretty impressive Very tiles donald is happening on Make nasty but deed and the cat certainly guide opportunity I think it was not steady book into these korea at geelong rather than gulf coast in modern. Just it at eight so lacey guy to stop by the wonderful galls took that really nas mark in a golf square in tool on easter monday. it was just. It was just and there wasn't anyone that i think. If you're a true football aficionado. That wouldn't have had a bit of a two year in there is seen guidance. I william grant phone will because you knew it was he's lost. I just wanted to see him that way out with hall. I feel if you if you in meet thirties. In gary ablett mightiest ibew onto to all your adult life. Leave gary ablett client now on in my early forties than the period between ninety seven two thousand and one bicycling hall of watch. Football is by. Gary ablett lines. I from ninety four to twenty twenty four year gap between foggy gap between what we do have a j. abbott wine lake fully. I two as well obviously throwing your You feel could potty law. Spain wednesday Cricket is gone mid forties. Siphon but warning i'll get yet it's time with me for the todd vanni. Saudi things have a different sort of thing. But we've always had a volume flying at the club and it's really nice that we can't have that father son saw the things are. Let's look at twenty twenty one because you did make some moves in the off season. Yes i told you that if someone said to me. Look these one's gotta have along. Yeah you're gonna have harry tyler leave and you're going to have gary. The nicole cockatoo. Someone's gonna try it for him lachlan's all these get traded as voluntary jack. Stephen you probably say that that was a bit of a a miscalculation or misstep offer various races this Miscalculation acquire office. John history with that site and two of them have ain't come from elba was clock blaze to catch Has lies An opportunity in occasionally heads shoes other clubs over. She is off the field nearby. Tried that with dexter and unfortunately didn't work Jack really good D. and call in from just got going at a little neagle strand. Juan de beek comes along But that's all ease unfortunately added to. He told mel when a big one game at the mci. J. the melon was supposed to go in and dominates and iran tony torres apart so when he went to jilani thought on he's gonna slutty no honestly but these things yet so i thought of control controls at reflection. Yon reflation. you've got sean evans lost. Yep would have been better value while you've got to initiate not just team. You happen to bring in his blood before. Jeremy cameron he comes from. Aws done talk flyer. He's already guy and his name is x. Meet apparently eat a little bit older. But he tends to guy belter issue on egan's blood or maybe the best in the nfl etc. Decided he'd picked up after losing abbott and tile that that is a massive hole top. You guys out. Mostly you've you've you've tried or voting. Exactly what did you Shuffled what will happen. He can spicy glue philly apple and do christ. We will do better in terms of probably have more impact on the school board in. Gary lost the gary was probably not right. Recovery bull on the ground After a contest he probably wasn't as quick to react as he had been previously. He can still has that ability higgins. I push into the midfield. Gary wasn't doing it. As much at smith goes onto the wing now hugo under the wing that might lead solves occupied ops guys back to cater fancy carry tyler retired police housing heinous dental college as me icon. Jewish a out at a really solid back unit Nextway wings gonna come from able to look at it and golly brewing three offensive weapons. What's going to happen now. you're gonna. Tim wanted view based defenders beckoning to use defend are just That will weigh perfectly. The cats have Little ron on the wings. Minagall on smith and moving back to way is nice. Comfortable as a football medically sows biscotti. When he can see the whole ground he can raid. What's happening what's coming. When when he's up the grand He's not a natural footballer. Is not being obviously. Nfl expect ramp from the ican can actually A five set up the buffet to say the grand to be better and then as a result in on the he's better football any any icing willing ability Obviously he's spain from the contest can help Outside those strains a crucial a suspect the real interesting. It's gonna be cameron hawkins dynamic question work. Yes it will. Because cameron apply up the grant. The other thing too is able tom. Hogan's is he's hoping full. Ford some hogan's lease actually pretty impressive He's had games what he's got off the ground at me twenty physicians so he will be able to rhyme as well and genoa makes it really hot for chain. He's had one on one debate. So if you're sending boycott the grand behalf Winning one on contests. He's beautiful the forty. He's probably optima dunkin. The second vista field. The geelong saw in terms of heating targets. So as a result they got him. Potentially looking at jeremy cameron coming at him and eating. Licey al sucks this plenty to celebrate about. It should work. It should account state not working the big thing. He's hoax for to years. Reminding cameras on. Bobby deal that type cameras. Thirty two said he would say that. It's what july pipes that in what he added balanced food wise. But let's twenty twenty. Three august can do it with lynch and revolt tippin to do it. Down the enamel eilly concern walls and ease with his ex smith plan on the mc jakes at your waterwings pack. Jayme stadium is locked alphabet. Pock because tactically track of. What's going on the wings are tall. I task easy gonna be that freedom to to move. I still think side. Because he's in arriving base. He'll be out of fundraiser snap. Why is x. Me that yesterday to be confined. But it's long so they still plenty of spice on might stadium. Baiting workings can't say being. He should egypt. What actually happens. You become another meet field. You provides them with a lift food. Which is something a little bit different as well you guys. You'll have a minagawa with the right foot on one wing of the list on another wing. Just use a variation through the midfield of the cats. I have a huge demand for his assad. Hammering obviously comes in his one but jack mice bicycle Doesn't seem like a lumping arrived for detainment being a good balance of Saw it actually helps always sold what holds all types of murphy's you can get a look at hulu coming off hop back to reach the leads up. Just doesn't it now that you picked up some crackers in the draft so you picked up mexicans at twenty and analysis club melbourne had. They're always on him. So thank you very much via search traded up to get into that Twenty nine sar by by with on his agenda. Nearly picked up a thirty-three nick. Stevens a forty forty-seven as well theresa knauss little bit of youth to to complement the age coming into the club. Maximum chabane the by storm reports. It'll be applying sony. Footy heartfully She saito was having a chat with somebody connected to the club yesterday. And now we're gonna go back to the old school your apprenticeship vice on what happened last year last selassie. Obviously what happened was i fell seasons. We wanna scratches in Introduced a lot apply lashed year. The guys in the fray season talking back here to stevens is the big one that i thought would place insane. You forty that's i in twenty nine national drought reading it. Looking chrissy was probably emergency. Maybe three or four times but just couldn't fool lying to the saw a suspect To be played the whiteys only sixteen rounds. you're gonna have to stop some guys second t forty site like forty before you get your opportunity by times. I really do. Not a lot of exposed will obviously a Background with his mom. Layla being i I laid athletes. I want that abandoned. They've got messy reps on shannon. Neil got really lucky is Probably to fill some spots author into the grand incoming knees way he falls they get developed alive or the grandeur good of that a lot look at him. Stevens is an interesting one When you get dan pick forty audience at a draft wasn't exposure. You probably speculating a little bit. But the saying something by lock side and then they throwing Pull sabotage By rookie coming out of them at abascal was a handy junior Got all the attributes. Athletically We want to see how he develops. You'll be allies. Wants to the two or three east to see where he's at at the easy young cat but he will eat so similar Communist twenty one twenty two year. all coming We give tom develop. That's improved it's gonna come from ways you'll concern lying yali concerned that i'll have at this stage and i don't want to saipan have to. It's a bit of the hell dad's army aspect of it where you've got non plies iva thirty you've got to have a twenty three to twenty eight which is thirty. Plus percent of your least is over that mark. That's more concerned that all i see that along with the season goes the hotter. It gets old. Do you say from a different way. This evening game season really helped law. She might actually help to be sheer. Well said lots of jail cell jal was averaging twenty two twenty three games of forty eight at high intensity law. She he would apply thinking fourteen gangs in some of that that injury that he suffered ivory against calling so he might have looked at four hundred fifteen games and when that's happening that will help him going forward shorts as in will help at jones. I think you'll at least these data she Which will help a suspect in our think martaban also Got you want get many blacks line twenty gangs. Now he can't. I don't think you can the why that it's going now. Especially bringing the tyson's. Dan is gonna to make it harder. They're gonna have to be the gonna deal. Spread allowed a lot more more thais through become very english premier league soccer. That your squad. Some guys will be like by guide. Some will be live Yup yup what's he's with caveat the light cap some will be. You're paying guidance. ach behind. Why guys with full points. But sometimes you just gonna have to be a little bit selective the jal on applying to especially if it's flying fly up on the club's died. Do you put a block on hamstring issue recently eddie young at the high intensity Yeah that's that's my consent and then flying on from that greece is that the least demographic is well you've got only half a dozen Between twenty five. Twenty seven july Way that should be billy. Smith's doc- lang jacksonville are being. The first piece of drafts gone So the cats go ludovic gaps. Twenty twenty th raise probably going to be interesting Wage along least do that Because we opens will be gone. Celery gone heinous in. Probably gone to egon si- he and smith One of them me. Sandra three Me twenty twenty s which have seen a long. Why but really interesting onto the catch but body nice keith. Modicum on it's all we're was that's the whole thing we'll ask you one thing about twenty twenty two twenty twenty one. What do you prefer brain asking everybody these in just general compensation on. I'm gonna ask you to stop this with every group. Did you prefer the seventeen game season oil. The twenty two game season going to be seventeen. Seventeen i just think allah every guy means something play once. It's it's even possible. Yeah now what. I walked the twenty two becomes more of a test of your ability to manage at least civilian brings it back. United tech ball games off Only on lock it easy. He's still gonna have the same length of season games but you still starting to meet delight match a timber if you're not doing that if you don't starting than we'd i roy. Finishing early september off a wide variety. the Operatic series. In get moved there really night they really is not named to the preseason. That's just another one of the. Nfl's marketing ploys sites. Glorify practice metro on while is is long as it can be sponsored. As long as they making money out of it will remind the moment. I can't salad anymore. He's been able as long as It'll stuff i felt. I care about money when he was twenty. Three million loss Will last year yet neither now also to be a lot more than that when that number came yet but once again that's another they releasing publicly. You never know what a creative accounting attempting to be. Y'all stunning guy. Token afford to buy things to grant of about four fifteen meal as well which actually brought the the the proper loss to billion dollars. The government health They are a little beaten victoria which they've got mobile is one of the models in asset. Like the i fell by could rawdat another season of A suspect we're not gonna have being dropped Crossed fingers crossed. The who is going to be. You'll break at staff at twenty twenty one who's going to be the one that's just sit all use. The old school kadena pock on fire. That is just going to draw the people through the gates which really is a bit difficult because no one can really get into the place anymore that every time. I'll have scrape davis he's got some good sauza batting based around forty An injury opted till by nab late year with the falcons. But he's got some series ability He's each team self onto the back of joel cell. Would i the last night months. But you wanna meantime so. I would really look forward to statements having a cracking year. And i'm really looking forward. To seeing sean higgins asta recognise heroi blast siege along the flag Whether he could have stayed in the same team playing that role shoulder and that's one of mike would imagine getting the grandfather. Dining choose between higgins and knowing it'd be it's probably a good thing. He turned out just from that directly because they lost she he was. He was probably the on the flag. He's just he's just classy. He's just a really nice finishes actually. Complements meech duncan is a good as a putting it inside forward fifty cameron hogan's will sell via the prospect of having shown begins eating them out. Yeah you've duncan come dunkin you've got guthrie coming in other y you've got off smith and you're just sitting there gallon. I just want it lights up. And they're probably gonna get it that white so you'd be you could be worse. Positions must be now who. Unfortunately there's somebody who who's gonna who's gonna break down. It's be they law so he's in who from the cats. Do you think it's lauderda- kary is gonna be twenty twenty one Question actually haven't thought about it. I'm lucky henderson. We don't want deal A good in quickly baloch depending on what happens dan back on neither a messy fantasy. Damned coning has been trying damn back. But he's also been trying wouldn't in iraq Can eat compliment. Motley serves as the second tool option. Damn back gam gas. You know didn't have proper vague. L. season is young. Young tools take longer to develop so he'll probably spend some time in the market opportunity. If he makes the most of it is in that squeeze lachie henderson at the end of the year Actually really still lucky innocent something to give five bt among since coming across blackeyed yet lucky to come back on to Win ryan Saw garrison keeler. Or if he had an episode of that while he was planning to travel around the world that would have been nipped in the bud. Pretty quickly twenty twenty Saw a suspect that a and helmet is actually hang on full. He's got to deal heroines. The other interesting one has feeding to the mix damn fold. We've cameron and organs Remedy that wilkins rowan combination from. I still ashti that. Squeeze gary rowan. He's in the last year of a deal. on himself with the top conversations at into the What gary round brings just simple consistently on tv. I decided he needs to notable consistently alsace consistently about to especially in the pointy end of the season. Because look at all inside. If you look at these record at the pointy end of the season it gets a little thin. Two sides high pace getting to the point of the season. It'd be a lot applies. Loves to be an easy to all right louie. Let's let's put on the chopping block. The lights weightage along. Finish two thousand and twenty one. You can go boy. Overall crimea runner up top four. Or you can go ladda number position. It's totally up to yourself. You boat where do you say. The cats finishing itchy shocked finished. Full ireland y now non games jameis. Bi stadiums dried up with al sports. They study six points for. Let's say like out with seven until the union. find yourself. probably another seven wins through the journey. top four an from the Grandfather When you get egan sneezing cameron blind to finish anything other than on the las september. So leave you with a four nine at night which is definitely more of the last year but there was only seven games. You put that aspect if it's about pa that got utah full. That's it's gonna set you up. It's gonna switch off success definitely are. Let's take the ball off if you had sort of the along the geelong bobble in the jalal Who do you think's going to be premier for the she richmond. Yep yep the cold day martin loitering with insane He's just a other twenty-one blogs tola mcgrath begged couple of bucks revolt in early In china as well But i still think that it's time to pay like come back on obviously evening. It's gone off on off field With couch will be interesting. 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3. Democracy and data

FT Tech Tonic

23:18 min | Last month

3. Democracy and data

"Last month residents of taipei taiwan's capital was celebrating the lunar new year. Unlike most of the world life in taiwan throughout twenty twenty continued. Mostly as it did before the pandemic the story of why this island experienced a very different kinds of health crisis begins one year ago during the same. And you'll holiday on the final day of january twenty twenty. A cruise ship named the diamond princess. Don't at the time. When these port city g geelong the ship and set off from hong kong six days previously with more than three thousand five hundred passengers and crew on board kill airy joan trauma sixty eight year old tourists from hong kong and his wife. Wong were on board celebrating. Their fortieth wedding of rick says he just retired. It worked as a warehouse manager and he and one wrong had looked the cruisers. A special treat for their anniversary. Set off from hong kong on january. The twenty fifth. The first day of the lunar new year plan was to go ashore at yokohama. He's been four days in japan for the trip finished on february the second the diamond princess in geelong at around six. Am on january. Thirty first use of a novel virus. In the chinese city of wuhan been reported throughout january eric and his wife and around three thousand other passengers and crew disembarked to spend the on shore. Eric one long took a train. Westwood's beyond the capital taipei to a district called jonglei to visit an old friend. The journey took about an hour. They had a meal with a friend before travelling. Back again genome. All i meet teaching out eric. They had to make it back to the cruise ship before five pm. They walked around the shops at geelong station eight. Some street food and says most of the shops were still closed because of the holidays but in the days to come their data footprint and that of more than three thousand other passengers and crew would become vital to taiwan's authorities a few days later with the diamond princess docked in the japanese city of yokohama. Ten positive cases of corona virus identified on board the ship. The virus spread rapidly. Rising to six hundred ninety cases within two weeks for the government does say that any new cases that are going to be declared these people contracting the virus before the quarantine began. They do not believe that any of the cases even though and eighty year old passenger who had disembarked in hong kong on january the twenty fifth had tested positive for coronavirus meaning. The virus had already been working. Its way through the ship before it docked. In taiwan in the end eric and his wife tested negative but in taiwan the government began a race against the clock to contain the virus using big data analytics and it worked. You're listening to tectonic. i'm john thornhill innovation editor at the financial times and your host for the series this season. We're exploring how the pandemic is accelerating the transition to an online world transforming so many aspects of our lives in this episode. We're looking at how. Taiwan track the location data of more six hundred thousand citizens to stop the initial spread of covid nineteen just how far those living democratic societies willing to trust big government with their data katrin hilla. Fte's greater. china correspondent based in taipei has been reporting for this episode. I came back to. Taiwan brought two years ago. I i was based here before for the f. t. but In between are reported from beijing and from moscow. I remember last year quite vividly. Mostly because for everyone in town this was a sense of deja vu and two thousand. Three taiwan underwent saws epidemic and that epidemic to in that case to the virus had come from china when the diamond princess docked in taiwan. I didn't notice it asshole. Because i don't normally visit gelo harbor the moment I started paying attention to it was when it arrived in japan and when it became known that there was an outbreak aboard the ship and that the ship had been in taiwan just a week earlier government try to identify the exact movements of the ship's passengers and crew during their days visit in geelong the person in charge of that whole operation was chin-shih mine. Deputy prime minister. He is now mayor of cultural. Helen's third largest city at the time he was in charge of the operation in the cabinet. I traveled to the south of taiwan about four hundred kilometers south of taipei to go show where he works now. The day he was speaking to me was a very busy day for him when he came in he directly asked me. Oh let's let's make it short because we have a public health. Emergency here have been gas leak in the city and so while we were speaking. Aides were coming running in him. Their cell phones for him to speak to the people from five department. Get briefings from on the scene and blocking orders into the phone as to what to do next meal about troop sunshine boca raton. Don't put all and said that after a day of investigation. They realized that they couldn't track the movement of all the passages paltry they requested pastures mobile phone signal data from telecom operators that allowed us authorities to immediately find out where in northern taiwanese people had been meg assault based on the mobile footprints of the passengers. They identified potential contacts and then they use the medical insurance data of those types to do follow sources. You can believe that. There's a big difference between talent and other countries because talent had been through sauce. Outbreak already just can cheetah go dot up town. He mentioned after signs. The government amended the infectious diseases prevention body. Though fund jinx soupy no authorizes the government success personal data. They can't make this information with public access to such data for use in an epidemic investigation. This permissive by issue tossed falls focused on identifying the shuttle buses used by the tourists credit card transaction logs. Ccd mobile location data a meal about you sunshine poker part. They found that when they use the shuttle bus. Gps data information they got was very limited. Just the two of us not individual people when people go through sightseeing. Scott get off the bus on around the pictures sort of. Gps is jesus. John williams position data proved to be the most useful method as it was able to provide accurate information on the location and time of exposure between people. Chenglin jato within twenty four hours. They had information on six hundred twenty thousand people the home so that those assume near joe paschel ritzy sorts also so catherine what criteria were used to identify a six hundred and twenty thousand taiwanese residents who may have come into contact with potential carriers of the virus and how quickly was such a large group of people identified the mobile phone operators identified. Which phones were the phones used. By diamond princess passengers. That was actually not very difficult. Because once these passages started roaming on on the taiwanese networks so when when the ship approached the taiwan coast than they were all in one place there were identified as this group and after that only a day after the data sweet was initiated. More than six hundred twenty seven thousand people in and around geelong received a text message and the message told them that they should monitor the health and in case they discovered anything unusual like flu like symptoms temperature and so on they should quote at home and were this group of people tracked in any other way actually yes. The authorities always stressed that the data was anonymous but they did run the mobile phone numbers of these more than six hundred twenty thousand people against the mobile phone numbers of members of the national health insurance and they built a kind of a software tool that would issue an alert. When anyone in this group went to see a doctor for flu like symptoms so they would have received alerts would then paid special attention to those people. Chen said that. There's a lot of caution when it comes to databases. He said that people are reluctant to provide data. That can be integrated and analysed for bodies in where it's cool with don chelsea entity the issue in your didn't think that the use of this data touched upon privacy rights because it was all d- personalized your ship. Wgn ten also told me that uses big data in the epidemic prevention effort. The government was also considering how big data can be used in agriculture transportation. Healthcare argued that the use of some data allow the chinese government. React faster were been there quite sue. Is there a strong public support. In taiwan for the government when it comes to these kinds of measures such as conducting winds sweep of people's location data in western countries it would probably be viewed as an encroachment of privacy. Yes actually in general. There's widespread support for these measures. Given that this mockery and the epidemic prevention measures are being communicated very transparent manner. There's also strong trust that the government will not abuse its success to to that daytime. Taiwan hasn't always been a democracy. So where did this trust in government. Come from actually for the last five or six years. We've increasingly seen the government. Use technology to engage people and i think the main origin of this is the sunflower movement. That was a student campaign in two thousand and fourteen opposed a trade deal with china and that movement led to a steep increase in online activism and e petitions. And so on so this is now. The government has realized that this is a great tool to increase trust. And they've put it a great use what you're talking about. There is digital democracy the idea that online platforms can be used transparently to keep citizens informed and engaged in the political decision-making process and we've seen this approach used in estonia. Iceland and government in barcelona have these european examples. Played a part in shaping taiwan's digital democracy yes so. Taiwan is very aware of these experiences in europe and talent has looked to these digital european models as examples of how to increase transparency in making and We actually have a somebody called digital minister here and so digital minister tongue. She herself started her political career during the sunflower movement and she has pushed for greater use of digital democracy initiatives as the minister in charge of social innovation. I have a loan advocated for idea fos fair and fun in cook reaching with the society so i got involved in the counter pandemic effort around early february i also audrey if she had any apprehension about the government collecting citizen state at the start of the pandemic. It got time. I had some appre hunch about some of the proposals. There's countless vendors that want to advertise really their bracelets for the down goes for their new devices through. Gps or through bluetooth or through other technologies. That would track a finer detail of whereabouts because or so they claim downstairs cellphone tower triangulation. So very imprecise especially in rural areas where there's not so many cell phone towers but even even municipal places. The resolutions just fifty meters in radius. So they said that you could know which room The person is in or which floor the person is in. You only know the generic whereabouts early in the pandemic talents government established system called a digital fence is placed into the fence. So that if they break out of that place then of course. The automated text message essentially a local police and so on and does system basically is deemed constitutional because it doesn't collect new data. It is existing triangulation data. Your cell phone. Tower operators are collecting anyway. And we use the sms systems for earthquake advance warning flood of ons as well if people understand. Technology is not like that. Ups and it's not going to re through its sms communicational other apps running on their phones. Then people will feel much more comfortable understanding to after fourteen days. There's no constitutional basis for us to keep using that they should offense system on the people under quarantine so avoid labeling in fact wasn't the only east asian democracy to use location data sensitive south korea's system of mass testing and contact tracing proved largely successful in containing the virus until december twenty twenty when outbreaks of covid nineteen began to rise. It's important to understand the legal framework. For how the tracking system works. That's why the ftc's bureau chief in seoul view in some parts of the world it's very invasive and in some ways it is basically government agencies certain agencies and certain circumstances can access foreign records that sort of geo location data off your cell phone off your smartphone. They can access your credit card data and they can use. Cctv footage from where they want to locate and track people. This is obviously something that has applied at times. During the pandemic speaking people in the west my impression is that probably a majority of people in in europe. And maybe also the us. I think suction approach is totally unacceptable. So that kind of excess that governments have to people's data look phone location data and maybe the combination with other data sources as well as maybe undermining civil liberties. What's your sense in south korea. How people view the fact that the government can excess that data. And how do they view. These measures have been taken during the pandemic. What you've really saying. I think is that people who understand that this is actually a life and death situation. They're aware of the risk. They don't exist in a world where they think that. This isn't a real threat to themselves into their families and their communities so they are willing to be part of the the broader community. And they're willing to do their part. And i think this is a question of how the west actually looks at countries in asia. And i think there's a view sometimes in pets was maybe true in the past is a view that some of these populations are still very submissive. That these the hangover's of recent or comparatively recent military dictatorships. But i think that's a fella safe from my point of view lived in asia for for we while this is these are the common courtesies. It's about understanding the public health risk and while yes. They do have to give up civil liberties for way while. I think there's an understanding that it won't be permanent and should it become permanent. I think you would see a backlash and then you would see people being more concerned about it when you look at. What's happening in europe. And you think well these places that don't have these systems in place and going back into lockdowns head. All of these warnings and having had the leeson's that asia has provided. I think that actually underscores for a lot of people in south korea. That system is the right one. I think as citizens and as consumers actually we both have i think rights and responsibilities. We shouldn't just expect our data to disappear into vast lakes or diffuse cloud without asking questions. Around what is being done with it. In whose interest for what purposes. That's nigel chappel. A professor of computing science oxford university. Nigel is also the chem founder of the open data institute in london. The institute works with governments and companies to build trustworthy data systems focusing on ethical issues around. How people's data is collected managed and used given the examples of taiwan and south korea. I was keen to discuss how other governments can ensure that people's data collected and stored securely during a public health emergency. You can collect the data and you can simply maintain exposure graph. You don't have to have the identity reference to be very useful as a tool that models. How infection might be moving to a community so again. The the extent to which information needs to be disclosed under what conditions can be adjusted given the context and these are positive use cases unto often though government finds itself in possession of this very powerful resource and really can't resist the urge to use it in the context. Nigel that's always a danger of mission creep in this area isn't it. I remember in your book. The spy in the coffee machine you gave the example of the murder of an lindh sweden's foreign minister in two thousand and three when the police access the national bio bank to look for data which would help criminal investigation. So is it a difficult thing to stop. Data being collected for one purpose being used for another it is and i think the part of the requirement on us as scientists as deliberative democracies is to say constantly re-interrogate those boundaries the extent to which dna profiling now is being routinely used in criminal investigations the extent to which data collected on the one regime for example a genealogical. Research is so many turning up being used for calls cold-case purposes in all sorts of criminal investigations. Now we have to be very careful that we understand where we are comfortable that this mission creep hasn't become just simply out of control. Nigel when we talk about data there's often quite a lot of concern about surveillance. Capitalism the kind of corporate tracking of our personal data in the west. but there's also surveillance communism in china. And the kind of state surveillance of citizens are you pessimistic about how. This data is going to be used. And how can we tilt the playing field more towards the positive uses of data. We can find it extremely positive uses of data. And i think it's really important. We don't become totally dystopia about the the technology on the opportunities data availability and the ability to innovate and produce ray outcomes. There are so many examples of it again if we look at the scientific collaborative effort the generation and production of vaccine sharing fundamental scientific every level. Shown what we can do. And if we believe in the west that fundamental values around autonomy self-determination dignity the right of certain liberties for individuals understood in the context of a wider collective good. We've got to argue those values. It seems to me. Let's have the argument about the values and the protesters and the tradeoffs between those views between ourselves as informed citizens and consumers and as nation states as nigel suggests there are no simple answers but it is vital that all of us in civil society keep fighting to ensure good outcomes of data use next time on tectonic has the pandemic changed the world of education for good. There's no way. Universities can at their current pace come near to satisfy demand in the market universities. Do a great job in educating the whole and they are not set up for dealing with robin societal change. You've been listening to tectonic from the financial times in london with me. John thornhill the reported. This week was kettering. The producer and editor was liam nolan location. Sound in taiwan was recorded by aki. Chen sound design mixing by brinton. And we had additional audio editing. By howard shannon cole you in on kong and edward white and seoul provided additional reporting. 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Hope that non-lethal, infertile cane toads could save Australian wildlife

The Science Show

02:41 min | 2 years ago

Hope that non-lethal, infertile cane toads could save Australian wildlife

"And finally, what about a GM cane toad one that does not kill a stroll in native animals mocked his odd. Ultimately, we would have to take toads that have had that Jane removed grow them up and then distribute them in the environment and put them at the invasion front. So that the predators that are going counter wild towed will encounter, one of our modified toads I and learn that's a really bad auditory toad. So in the real poisonous toads come through they stay away from them and don't eat them. So that would be step one. So the idea is that you'd release these toads that have been gene edited. So that they toxin is not toxic to ninety predators. But the toad would still taste disgusting. Absolutely. They're not very tasty in the first place, but the pro toxin in the stored in the net gland is marginally toxic. It's not lethal. But it will give an animal a big upset. It will make it feel really lousy. But it will recover. From that. So they'd learn they'd survive the tell the tale stay away from the toads, and they'll get a chance to teach their offspring stay away from the toads because that's something that we know. Eventually does happen animals will teach their offspring was good tweet. And what's not good to eat? But if an animal dies in that first encounter, it doesn't get the chance to teach offspring. If that's successful. Then we would go down a pathway to try and use the gene editing technology to also incapacitate the ability of those toads to reproduce. So that when the invaders come through meet the toads that we've put out in the environment. Those that haven't been eaten by a predator. And that president hasn't died when they meet those toes that remain. They would end up reproducing with them and having infertile offspring in world environment. Again, an interesting angle in this is is that towed that we're releasing a GM towed. Are we going to release a GM animal into the wild environment? Well, if crispy has nine technology when it's used to just create small changes. Is deemed not to be GM. Then we've got an animal that we can release into the environment that isn't a GM organism talking about Cazadores of SRO in Geelong, Victoria with Natasha Mitchell. Another innovation of national importance next week on the sign show Inova a community based energy scheme to give you far cheaper electricity and reduce emissions. How's it doing plus the master of Baillio? College in Oxford. The first woman to head the renowned college in its seven hundred and fifty years the sun show on our in production by David Fisher and Hamish chimera. I'm Robin Williams.

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Is Melbourne's lockdown a failure?

The Signal

16:26 min | 10 months ago

Is Melbourne's lockdown a failure?

"This is an ABC. PODCAST. Melburnians have now been living with stage three restrictions for more than three weeks. PUBS CAFES IN GYMS closed visiting other people at harm band and someone even going to be fine for driving across town to pick up a Akari. Yet still the daily case count keeps rising. So ease the Melbourne lockdown a fire I'm Steven Smiley and match left wipe year and today on the signal. The restrictions keep getting tied up at the numbers going in the wrong direction we find out why the lockdown doesn't seem to be working and we look for some hope in all that bad knees. There are one, thousand, nine, hundred, and ninety eight Hewlett cases of. Piranha of in the Victorian community hundred. News since we. Lost Stop died at you. I'm saddened have to report that the title number of people who have died because of this. Global pandemic in Victoria is now a hundred and five that is the pain additional fatalities. So this is the sound of what has become an extremely grim daily ritual where every morning the Victorian premier. Daniel. Andrews all the Health Minister Jenny macaca skit up and deliver the bad news how many new covid nineteen infections of being confirmed in the past twenty four hours and how many people have died from the virus and it's oblique process that's made all the worse because by this point, lots of people in Melvin were expecting the numbers to be getting smaller. But they're not, in fact, they growing and that case number yesterday seven, hundred and twenty three. That was a new bad record and all the time when Melbourne is lockdown than ever before. Yeah and today there are new restrictions coming into place to the west of Melbourne in Geelong and on the great. Ocean road and from next week mosque wearing in public will be compulsory for the entire state. So to find out what is going wrong, we got in touch with professor. Catherine Bennett she's the chair of epidemiology at. Deakin. University in Melbourne. Seven hundred, twenty, three new covid cases is bad. This is this is the worst number we've seen in Victoria. It's actually the worst number of senior strategy. Is this a surprise. It's the problem and May. Trying temperate the numbers day today. And the fluctuations that happened in them what was saying at the moment is sadly not unexpected. We have been saying a lot of the cases recently, the case numbers being driven by apricots particularly. And on Monday when the numbers were announced, they mentioned we had. Facilities, Ij facilities where that hadn't been impacted by Coby, but we're one staff member had been found positive in H. and so the main concern was always that when they wayne and start at the contact tracing because the risk of transmission. So high in these facilities that we would say numbers similar to what we saying come through the the the results being reported in the next few days. So that's what's going to happen days costs still being established and then lodge positive results could be linked. Cluster. Bumpier Susan which makes sort of day in day out game. That everybody in the news cycle essentially plays all the time including politicians of fraud. Because as you say, if you get one person in workplace and then you have to try sold of their contacts in in close confines of course, you're going to get these kind of terrifying surges one day to the next absolutely, and they are real they real cases and it's a big worry ain't given that you know the outcome you don't want and that he's the we probably have simone nursing homes. Now, that will stop to be Emerging in out Costa's reports justice, some of the most substantial ones out of the last waco to have been. Brought under control and contained. So they're not the cases you wanna see either intensive numbers or input intensive people impacted because they are amas. But you're right, you can't ride the numbers every day. That's exactly what it. We've got to look beyond daddy numbers to the trains and also China understand what's happening in the broader community in terms of transmission. We will talk about community transmission in Melbourne a bit lighter, and let's just say here, it turns out. It's a much more positive story than you think. But before we get into that, we thought we'd have a look at the trends over the last few aches. Yeah and the big trend at the moment is Catherine said new cases aged care facilities. Yesterday they were just twenty four cases at this age care home in Melbourne's North today there are seventy seven and many families are in the dark about the health their loved ones. What's going to happen now? com. Worth account women describe feeling the moment there were seven, hundred, sixty, nine active cases linked to H K centers. The clusters continue to grow I cannot stand here until you have confidence. That staff and management across a number of provinces is k. facilities are able to provide the care that is appropriate to cape their residents Saif as the crisis goes from bad to worse. The army has now moved in the emission to move out the mini residents some who would fade or shall would foday's Is it possible to essentially? Kate to social distancing policy inside at age home and and what is it about the? The nature of I guess these workplaces that makes the spread containing the spread. So difficult, that's a good point these about how you. have. These times have been designed, and in some cases, it's really challenging papal to maintain social distance but you also have residents who actually. Need a lot of physical and as a support insistence, which actually makes it very difficult to staff to maintain distance from people in the facility as well as you know, the protective win mass and so on can be very difficult in situations where they're already having trouble communicating with the patient rates dementia unequally trying to have elderly patients who who may not be aware actually complying with Hij- in distancing and entice mass, and so on is is not gonNa work in a lot of situation. So it's a complex environment, a lot of people in one. Facility with shared spaces actually makes it very difficult to stop the spread wants you have someone positive we mix. So that's the real challenge with settings, and that's why what's now being done to look at how you co patients do have people who are positive well and watching. Stain ANCELOTTI. How you can manage that it's a conflicts process and that's what we've got to work through. Okay. So it is a difficult environment to manage bit hopefully. Now it's on the right off the trend will start to improve. which is not to say, they won't be more cases and sadly debts. Why the number high right and while those high aged can numbers are big worry Catherine says they actually hired a success story. The current break in Melbourne has been tight out in a way. That's the worst case scenario code. We had the virus rains juiced into a part of our community where it could tackle quickly just as we were relaxed restrictions for everybody, and so we had a degree spread before it was we detected by the time you had found those Tyson Gordon Spec very widely. We've seen what happened in New South Wales even when they were watching force and found. Case Nickel detective. Work linked to the crossroads hotel. We can say Clayton Straight and keeping with the so that's been out challenge. Victoria. The fact that these numbers are still escalating in any dramatic way the snap is an awkward, but they are so different to what they would have stayed. In fact looking at my. Matching if the trends in data, we had a fourfold increase before we went into lockdown in the cases that were being reported. If we kicked going at that quadrupling and numbers every day we would have had twenty thousand cases a day. We can't even imagine what that would be. So going back into stage three when they. Pull this back so that at least we in the initial stage, stop that much more broad community transmission that could have same swim escalate, and now in a situation where it's not idea with having Al Vulnerable Patronage Katie now at some trees. But it's it's more manageable evening that setting if the rest of the population has Chris tranship. Now we're also seeing some extensions beyond Melbourne in the Mitchell, Shire to other parts of regional, Victoria where there is, I guess the the beginnings of a big problem. Do, you think that the measures that are in place now of the right steps and will they have to be extended I? Think that's A concern when you do have your local works, for example, you know with someone goes. Positive into work in an shots workplace down even temporarily that relating impacts, the local community makes the community nervous thing that there is virus in your area and that they could be transmission. So I, think it's the right thing to do mouse now Victoria wide so that we do make sure that if there is a problem that emerges in a workplace that it's not thin blocks as being linked across to another workplace. So into the local age. for example. So I think that is a good thing to do. The background writes in the community is still very larva if he take out the cost associated with make where it saw some of the regional age. There is still very few painful Peralta community who a positive bus these extra. Including, Geelong now closing down, you know having pinpoint Johan just again, help suppress the bars in the background and makes the risk of new cost is developing so much lis- that that that heartfully. He's taken out of the picture and be darned have to deal with his relations in today. A couple of weeks ago about the just the role of chance at kind of bad lock in the why these things can move through the community particularly I. Guess Looking at the way the this outbreak, his behind did Melvin and compared to the patents in. Particularly Sydney but all the parts of the country as well. Can you just talk us through the fact that they ease the is to some extent a bit of randomness. You can just get like an individual super spread out which makes the talk that much hotter. Yeah I think. There's a good example in the US they've got evidence now going back and looking at people's blood tests and so on. That was stored that in fact, the virus claiming to New York a number of times but didn't take off there was someone who is infected. May Pick. Two people in the household. It didn't hit the right people who were the people that were either something about them made them super spreaders or something about the they networks and they jobs. Sprays, but then something happened when someone came in and it was just the right circumstances that the virus tough and we've seen what happened New York. It was a bit the same with Ou- reintroduction of the virus in Melbourne so we. We know the breach. Hotel Kern tain. But the challenge was you know for the community was that that? was spread amongst the security guards and probably then fade into different parts of the community that all to be quite well connected so that you had people who are from families spread across multiple Hutchinson and we so quickly that moved through particularly the Northwest Cardo but that was a number of different people taking it back to their community knowingly. And Jozef. We had one person. Victoria, he went they. Use. But then they went to the Crossroads Hotel and that Crossroads Hotel was that. You know by chance had gone out to that place for dinner is headed in someone's arms. They weren't mixing with a lot of luck community that could have died out never would've gone anywhere. But the fact that by just happened to go, we know infectious probably not even symptomatic but it was enough with enough of the papal starts to take off. That's what it takes and it's luck. But it doesn't happen often cows but that's that's part of the way is fires, and so we have to be repaid that they've costin's happening even vow levels in the community very lower up secret we have A. Batch in either through. Or? Border Crossings Nether which Scott live cases. And what? Would you say Catherine over the next month or so? So we can through. These bumps in the numbers due to. A mess testing facilities meeting numbers around today. Than we should say what's happening behind that and it will be a a reduction in community transmission that will start to become apparent when we turn have these boosts numbers from these you know high recessions I'm still hopeful that by the end of our six week lockdown, we would be down to you know very manageable numbers, but that won't be enough to end. OCTA. I think we need to be prepared the likelihood that lockdown might have to continue on for two weeks at least if you headline numbers to make sure they really suppressed and stay load. So I do think we have to be repaid. So that in the shorter term I I think will just be so. Happy to see that we are definitely going in the right direction with those numbers coming down that will be great. But we have to be prepaid Zoysia lag time with the deaths associated with an increase in prices, and so even when case number stop to come down consistently. So we're seeing a true trained the deaths might continue to still be notified. So I think you have to be prepared for that as well. Can Save his lack time that means would still have said news to come but hopefully at a point where we seeing. Allow if it's to. Suppress the virus really stopped impact and the no names inside if it's not on the. Middle. That it still interview when we might be able to start to relax. Today, for this week, if you want to get in touch with us, all give us any feedback suggestion for an episode you can always drop us a line. Our email is signal ABC dot net. 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Mastering the art of high-volume sales: Chari Emirzade

Elevate: The Official Podcast of Elite Agent Magazine

22:47 min | 2 months ago

Mastering the art of high-volume sales: Chari Emirzade

"I enjoy what i do. Real estate is really really. How can i explain. It's always site you get up every morning. It's like a Type like vdi. It's different you go to calm different ideas. You're gonna come from the solution at the in real estate through soil solutions and out people actually really nice. You'll listening to elevate castellina agent for real estate industry sales professionals property managers and leaders with thanks to our partner connect. Now elevate brings you the best tools thinking and strategies to elevate your results to download your action guide from this podcast containing extra juice links and shortcuts. Visit elite agent. Elevate dot com and more information about how connects now can make moving easier on your clients. Visit connect now dot com today. Here's your host some fantastic lay. Welcome to another episode of the elevate. Podcasts where we dove into some of the most interesting minds in business and in real estate for the very best tips and strategies feeding implemented. Elevate your business. I'm samantha mclean editor really agent and hosted this week. Show on today's podcast. I'm pleased to welcome very plant sales agent and oceania cherry massad. Who has managed the impressive feat of selling thousand times in the space of just six years operating out of geelong cherry has been recognized as the top listed sell for the berry plant group for five years running and will be familiar to many. He's words of advice that eric two thousand and nineteen when he urged attendees to just pick up the fine such. How are you welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. It's awesome to have you in. Congratulations i up on an amazing start to the year. Thank you thank you. You were recently named victorian finalist in the annual area. Excellence awards just a few weeks ago. And you also achieved the milestone of selling thousand properties so like to hit that mark be forefingers. How did that feel. I mean it felt really good. Obviously a lot of hard work and the i started Started concentrating to became can hundred thousand one yen lead two thousand sales over one thousand thousand six days and if it feels good feels good so it's just it's a one year at a time kinda thing where you sort of wake up and then it's like oh well of mehta thousand that's rile. That's right so walk through how you got started in the industry. How did you get into real estate. In the first place while it wasn't like actually came back from overseas after seven years and just found the job pre-match and one of my good friends are in berry plan. Ten austin coverage of the dice naive to stop because they have a full actually joke with different realists that is in gave them a call and they said no. No no no. I'm by kia came back to berry plan and couple of is later started. Really stipe and everything from that. So let's talk prospecting because you'd be gone picking up the fire rich. Think with all the technology that we've got available to us helps is becoming a little bit of a loss dot your renowned. For how many phone calls you make. How many phone calls would you make day on an average day. I make any babies fame. At two hundred connects yeah. Well that's a lot. I can two hundred fifty but concentrator on our connections are making calls so some agents get worried about pm. The find that the other person on the other end is not going to be too nice so going to hang up or whatever how is it that you have the mindset to make that many calls every day the options samantha at the star. We slay hours to escape up the ball to the point that all ought to do something to be successful in real estate and a couple of times today in my set up define and mindset. I had real estate. wasn't bad. Just being a telemarketer. I didn't get into Fine but the not to change the mindset to be successful. Obviously middle aside on mike pace with and i realized that marching bill is state was talked to people identify people that wants to sell on by his and put them together and everything All new good at was picking up the fine just myself people. Actually it's something that gavin. Rubinstein says a lot are members. That you've just gonna think of yourself as a really highly paid telemarketer and be okay with that. We've so when you pick up the fine mary. Some of the consignees pick up the finding coal people. But what do i say so. What are some tips for younger agents. That are struggling with that idea of picking up the fine at the moment. Obviously the more you do it better. You get so be areas Mike concept because i did filed a lot. I did have a lot of people hanging out the fine token to me. So what i realized you calling someone when that family will. Maybe having a pet died so you shouldn't take too serious. Let's first of all. If i told back the hang up the fine the whole concept for me was i wanted to get the less than ten tickets and come up with different ideas luck on my scrape seats in which are still use. It and got me into a lot of doors is. Hal is coming from very long. Bills side. sorta border you just going to let you know. We're gonna be in your area in free-market faisal reflecting on one size thought. We'd sorry so i stopped some hang up. I don't give a timeframe saying that. I'm going to be in the expect. Just keep that loss that icon site nine and Gone locked up less than ten seconds and keep it affect gifts and really fast. It's interesting what you just said then about calling it different times. Is there any particular time that you think you have my success in actually getting people he up with your area guy molly area of around eight thousand times. Fifty percent of the works fifty percent of the missouri retired so my strike rights eights eight in the morning on satellite up. Look at time but then if you have an area that mainly everyone works all. You shouldn't make calls in the morning. It's it's up to the agent identified that and then found that exhaustible time frames that they should call up the final call areas. Say if you're in an area where people traveling to and from the city or something like that calling them while they might be in the car or something like that's probably not a bad move. Exactly i don't call anyone between three o'clock and four o'clock two beautiful boys and i know how stressful it. He's when parents kiss out soon as supposedly kids comeback high stressful by one eight by one of these days. They wanted that. One of my biggest nine is is. I don't claim discounts. Fanciful very good. Do you have any months at tips for agency might be listening to this thinking of just had one hang up too many. How did you actually might paces. You said with becoming more active on the fines. When i started realist. I figured that my mindset was long mindset. I got into real estate. Which stopped eric is well thinking about. I always going to dry fast. Cars and expensive watches shiny shoes. That was the mindset israel estate at the start and i was going to make load of money forty-eight hours but i came to conclusion that real estate is actually outbreak site shiffman mindset to volume of sales rather than commercial and i wanted to have fifty percent market share my area and i want to have more productivity farm area than anybody else. So i'll figure that acceptable went today. That was my mindset and i came up with a plus prospect plan business plan mocking and to execute that. Did you have any help from the lane berry plant to crystallize things at the start. I did have a couple of help from dodig telling me today. The final lysine spot. I pretty much himself educated myself. Databases imanaga polls eighty practice on prospecting practice on at least imprisoned. Tyson factors shushing skills. I was reading little Leading agents two and six months later. Today you can find. I'll go first be is off the six months. Lewisite are started getting help from yet. So you just touched on a couple of things that i'd like to pick up on so a lot of people they do come into real estate thinking. It's all fast cars and watches and that there overnight successes but we all know that that's probably not true not to based anyone's bubbles or anything like that with all the work that you put in the beginning. How long did it take you to start seeing the fruits of your labor in that way to an off his I didn't make any money. It's offshoots. I work in a area that is to sell hundred and ninety thousand bella. Himes and michael mission was two and a half gods novels. So that's why. I couldn't concentrate on the commission. Pot the come up with different ideas to motivate night enriched mongols and that's why changed everything rolling concentrated in the commission volume pot. And i thought. I can. If i wanna be a million and i want to be a totally of seller binding sal hundred and fifty plus properties failure and what i concentrate on and it worked out really well. After three months being in real estate. I got my first. I was still behind oman. Regina and a year. After that. I got my second is a manager. And it'll become my regina. And i was really behind and it took me to an off his own lab being front of mine residents not money but it paid free. Bug looks at the moment. I'm running with four and a half thousand people dot ice and i created a system that our list. Anyway reaching twenty to thirty and oursel- anyway we can eighteen to twenty four months. Look that takes a lot of self belief and belief in the process to take on a couple of days and be behind. So what are you telling yourself that time. It was all going to be k. I did look always try to beat. Because i was asking my directors. Am i gonna make it gonna make it. I never keep telling me. Look you picking up the fine more than anybody else. You've thought of isis growing. Just continue like that and you will make an authentic isos eve rather business that shali shelia it will take it missed. Teach off us for you to stop making profit. Saw looked at it okay. Let's change on several. Arming real estate on iraq actually giving me retain which is is the lack of business line like bank every month. I've got two and a half years to execute is an Hang back and i stopped stressing bad. If i was going to survive just started fox not yet turn off his. I'm gonna make it to an off. I'm gonna make it if i'd leave from any business open is gonna take turn off on sunshine on. Yeah i think it is amazing because you are a business within a business as well and so actually shifting you thinking too. This is my business senate. It's to take me a while to change prophet. Reckon that's a really good way of looking at things and you also just mentioned that you get up at four thirty in the morning. Now we've all heard of five. Am club but four. Thirty am cov-. I thought i was the anyone one they say. Tell me what does your day look like. While i got used to getting up at four thirty in the morning because of the army commander fettering feeds and i got a lot of benefit from getting up early morning before to get up at six before real estate and because realistically Time was enough for midget. Under that i still to go humming. Spent some time with the families. All saw Anyway let's go at four thirty in the morning. Then i get up in the mornings onto five city i study. I'll read books scrape stocks business plan and i go to my gym at five. Five fifteen comeback. Six thirty like breakfast for the kids. Do whatever i need to the has trump. it gets the school and go to work by get hundred one hundred and fifty miles per day sometimes because the hundred in the morning a reply all my emails unplayable ball onto my task and it was the awesome exit ten steps ahead than everybody else because i get up that early. Yeah interesting insight. You've got like set blocks of time where you do sit things and yeah and it's just that one thing that you focus on and then before you move onto the next one well that's right and it makes it easier former to because our concert tonight. Forty fives it. Everything is ready. Martime nice while A and would you spec on defines again. because we've done everything else. I mean it was announced between four thirty eight forty five. Yep say clear the decks and then you back on the fines. Yep and. I know that it's hard getting four thirty in the morning. You would not l. as well or do you go to bed early. Morelos increasing choices. You happen not hard anymore. Even if i go to bed at eleven twelve mall is opens up at four thirty seven days a week weekends. Yeah interesting so apart from being nine for the number of calls that you make i also head from a little bird that you've got an amazing database to that you work your database hard and the cape it in such pristine shape. So can you tell us a little bit about your approach to using your sarum system and how you keep everything so current what was the so is everybody else failed. Let odd learn from our mistakes. So after the first real estate's i'll get up in the morning and checked that calm and i seem one of the fish properties. Democracy we the agent that i sold actually gave them a cold. And she's like jerry. We were happy with service. We have everything but if found a one night stand because after stay on you never gave us a cold and that nine inches hit me. I was concentrating too much trying to find listings. And i forgot about my parts clients so shredded by down to light up. My thought of icy three different categories us clients nick lines and appraisals and are just started creating different touch points. Each klein's nates and are created assistant database of around four hundred thousand people in my advice concluding my clients and the idea was. I wanted to lisp on orbital That's the idea. Had when studied real estate. Not create a database. Now i think samantha listed city in this month. I'm sitting on twenty eglise and that's just not just cold cold as just following up lamont. Ask klein's calling people that both properties from a sold properties from a older things includes together. And you've still got quite a few days ago in a month in october and forty less than six days to see how we got all really happy birthday. Thank you an early heavy beth anyway. So what was last year like for you in geelong what sort of a year did you experience with pandemic and things like that. It was really helpful. Everybody everyone in australia. What was unexpected. And we were lucky in australia. Half of my family lives in europe off my family's in england and i say what is it was tough in april but again it goes back to mindsets that's been shift by mindset. The guy thought. I we all going through the same thing. I'm not gonna see then hides behind closed doors are still at least on. The markets are still have to help van doors. We still bars at there that they wanted to buy property side Educated myself and i own. My communication schools agitated myself Do and they went into look ends around the world and came up with different ideas showcase my listings and we still sell properties while i was one of the first agents in july don bushels inspections and Planned team structure and everything else to be able to keep my promise. My vendors any work depth. Yeah how did that fail. Trying something new for the first time like. How did you approach first virtual inspection. How did a guy looks so Everything else was different. But dan everyone was going through the same thing and not by ace with it and a guy obviously change negotiations go health negotiate over the fun dot seen people sometimes and i probably was hot. Then you get used to when you believe in yourself and Temps and everything gets easier. Yeah yeah absolutely. And even though we're not locked down anymore at least touch wood. Hopefully there's not too many more lockdowns coming used to using things like betty still using virtual inspections i am. I am locker. I think lost yet changed their support. Social media supports people do more research on net every ounce and guess our study using zoom meetings with clients. They wanna sound now. And i really started at building relationships and same people face to face. It's always better ball is before they come from malibu now introduce stop saddam's regime. We made each other. It's easier qualified Up and them derived properties. Your music is actually really really good all like it. It's another point of difference a year finding like many of the other sort of semi regional areas that there are a lot of people coming from the big cities now from places like melbourne and wanting to move to places like jilani finding that. Hey a lot. A lot was the being locked down out of people on the research at regionals and i mean album was in stage. Four wanna style. We wanna stay straight. We got an eye surround beaches around us and yet a lot amalgam bonds trying down to jilin which is good for too long. Also bars are buying properties in jones. Yeah interesting and so you're stuck levels a you listen very competitive there. At the moment almost still running with fifty five properties on the market being running with five properties constantly las vegas his but yes liberal is low and interest is really high so which is good. Yeah interesting and so. You've mentioned your team a couple of times. Does your team look like at the moment of got isha. She's mild pressure manager. She has major cyber thieves. She deals with all the contracts performs and book appointments ungodly zach and callum twenty two twenty three years old guy get his renowned working gates and a bar bar specialist also prospectors. How did you work at in the beginning. What it was you wanted to do versus what you wanted someone else today. Because i know it's hard for some agents who is sort of coming through the ranks to go all right. It's time to delegate stuff but we're control freaks how hard is it. You got a point there. But the thing is i didn't get not i v. I saw can leave work yearly. Or klis and excellent one st crease a kaiser numbers and myself honestly create anywhere between twenty twenty five per week. Authentic i if i get into the person that does i do. We can get thirty thirty five. And if i get excited five. I'm going to speed up the process. Having market shit as thing started with that than we started creating that much appraisals. And i started listening at the same time then. Overspend management keep in the photo shoots and call before And i wasn't really bad at writing copy forms south. Okay i get somebody else to be nice and i can be back on the fights. I think what's important is you should not stop doing the things that he Nigel by still mike. Still mike won't calls are still get to the bottom managed to find some pictures on just created saying that justin casey faulk Dice things that they will up. The pace is homemade. So i can do what i'm good at. It's an interesting approach. A lot of people take on an assistant just to be able to delegate stuff but you're saying start with the strategy way you want to be and then fear out from there how that's gonna look destroyed. I mean yesterday. I don the appointments and appraisals. I'm almost ad because awkward. Do coal close motsy museum coats today to a abdeen photo. Shoots and bar appointments armed Works at better like that. Yeah amazing so what's next feature hurry now that you've hit the thousand milestone. When is the next mall stein coming in. What's it gonna be full easier. When i said i wanted to sell two hundred items. A lot of people always looked at me and said that's impossible. I think anything is possible in in life if he got the right tools and mindset and business plan. I wanna say if i can come close to three hundred thousand one year and will you have to have be goals don't you. You have to right if it doesn't challenge you. It doesn't change a hundred and seven percent. Yeah i reckon you get a crush the after listening to you. Sorta seems like you've got gyro all pointed in the right direction and we got some great strategy. I enjoy what i do. Real estate is really really. How can i explain. It's always site. I talk to people i said. Why do you like about illicit on You get up every morning. It's like a davinci type like vdi. It's defend can go to calm if the night is gonna come different solutions at the we green real estate through salt solutions and people and actually really nice. Yeah absolutely which rates pain. Amazing talking to you and getting to know you. And i just want to thank you for sharing some of your knowledge and insights and things like that. If there was one piece of advice that you'd like to leave ellison's with what would it be the right mindset and pick up the fine solar advice chari saadi thank you so much thank you. We hope you enjoyed episode the elevator with thanks to connect now dot com. Don't forget to download your written action guide from this podcast containing extra tips links and shortcuts. Visit a li agent. Elevate dot com.

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Ep 68: The Non-AFL Round Three 2020 Review

Lace Out AFL Podcast

56:03 min | 1 year ago

Ep 68: The Non-AFL Round Three 2020 Review

"We'll talk about the VfL being on. Its nieces by being considered by bill the top five games the positive news and much more pepper. Jamie Wallis we give you the Foodie L. You want it now on with shut all welcome back listening another week of Lyceum Chris Peppy. Hey Jamie Wallace pips and Jijel back for another week of football. Football is three hundred twenty. This is the secretary of the first one on absolutely food upside. We are having another crack at it. Hopefully it's a little better but another week off the tools and ought to know about you but starting to get that each. We want some forty in. There's just nothing to satisfy. Stop Beseech feeling at the moment on. I'm feeling good. I'm not getting an each lock. You concerned do you. Do you need a doctor Anita doctor? I've got a crane four but it's just looking I. It's just tough at the moment. Like this when you put it on the on the list of everything. That's going wrong at the moment. With these whole corona virus things people out of work industries have come to a complete shutdown. Just needs some sort of release and football. Was usually that release every? Setai you go and just scream your lungs at Eddie system. And we can't even do that at the moment. I have to go back to the phones and get excited about that. That really have much at all. So I've got to go back and watchmen the beach along with hawks. Oh what happened all? We have a freeman the week. Exciting Tolkien's but he's not much. There's not much name. Why are you stopping the pits? While you talking about the days versus West Coast game dumb from win rate with that Saleh all yes you can. Yes you can just because you've had black it does mean that you can go back pips with sweet and sour. There'd be no Chinese restaurants all around Australia. Jimmy Wong's in footscray out of the e salts sale. But if he did good on him Jimmy ends up. Actually no one can see me. Do that hanes up anyway. 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Is that the one as asthma. Asthma old as as my Jewish friends and celebrated at says. You've got to thank us for Easter. Thank us for the four days. He doesn't celebrate it so does he would. He doesn't why would you take half Nari unless you George Kelham buyers? She wouldn't pinal sorry east. It was fantastic little bit lonely. A must admit the funny thing is is that all of us noticed a lot of people walking if the people never actually gutting getting off their butts and going for walks. Are you able workman straight? Relent Yoga Paints sorry attack but walks literal win when you come across someone walking the opposite way on the on the Senate side of the footpath. What do you do I got left? You don't cross the regius style on the left. The left Corona virus. Just move to lift the song says I because I run a lot. I actually found myself crossing the roads in avoiding people because of the fear mongering amongst the New Zealand signed that runs given current. Ivar so I find myself crossing the road to be mindful of if we didn't aerial sort of you Ula Fraga so frogger. Wallace is back on the flea. It wouldn't be gone back and forth across the bomb now moved to the side of the right but it's brilliant. Just getting we went for walks still. Did the Easter egg hunt in in hazard suits at the front yard. It's fantastic good just shying away right kids you pay. We're going to go for a walk. Pp there's no protective equipment. You work for a company that knows about this stuff on contracted to them. You aren't embarrassment right now. You are embarrassing yourself. And you're embarrassing your company off of embarrassed myself many years and you know that yet. Now it's been great so at least. It was really good hawks who was second Easter. A second as he was he was good. He's addicted to chocolate and Let's talk about him. Nine was I got a B Christmas advent Slash of Christmas yet even before yet so out. Outages Twenty Twenty four BS twentyfold is Christmas. That look like an advent calendar yet. I started on that on Easter Monday. Seeks on having sort of one beer. A day or maybe. Tv's a day and today I've had a good mix Germans and a couple of New Zealanders Had A fee GB. I'm on I'm back on the CHROMEBOOK and it's the season of the witch beyond the cloudy Wiki. So it's like the LV version of Hoegaarden. Well thanks so. You'll be leaving message on facebook page or you could just leave a voicemail through then you've always smelled technology or accept promotion. Palmer yet now eight. It was great. It was great now. He's spending the time it's funny enough. The the voice mail messages. The Tom's everything you know we're sort of getting used to it now. Homeschooling dot tonight mode on Sunday. You mode other animal nominated for wall. Had McGrath's hasn't been growing as an inch. It's just be dormant of grass raw. It's just it's literally about fifteen different types of birds are on yet and there's not as it doesn't grow. Amman's did sort of going into winter reach. The Wall to buffalo was dotting to just hibernate and the Cook Cuckoo. Like a call. You a little bit the same as well too so I don't have to model it off. Needs to be usually once a week when the summer is not as much sign. It doesn't have to do it every couple of weeks. Bits could be no what vehicle the food at the moment. It's there but it's really just it's not A it's not A. It's not gonNA have a cigarette these but a dozen. Stop the news pips. It never stops. The eight never stops the news and he know what about the news once again if I have to let me. It's the first half of the modern family finale tonight because channel and had another one of the corona virus specials. Can I ask a question is of special not become a spatial? If it's on every night. Is it still a spatial? Pasta INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES. 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I'm like do you do a video on setting up an indoor setting up an indoor range in the garage could do that Is a lot of Nawaz good as gone? You and the Gulf Hassard could get in cahoots on wall Gulf House Dot Gov House Hesse Gulf. What's drums Vega drama in Gulf the Gulf bloc's? Wc would stuff to lose you. Use the one near Neil what's that one code the golf club off the Gulf? Just just nuts. It's a it's a shop and it's just sort of off the off oils. Golf. I do little videos. Mc Hooks up. Now let's let's get into the food and it's only tightness third and a half minutes to get to the point. Where do you want to stop because you write some notes? Dan and Jane is so you'll treacle things. What do you WanNa Guy Beaming? Okay so let's let's start with. Let's start with the news. This week was around. What do we do with the VFL? So Craig Jennings. Who spent some time with North Essendon Western and currently with North Melbourne in the system? And I F- I'll system believes that the COMPASSI relevant and will not be necessary beyond twenty twenty Due to the costings and how basically that The game is becoming. Afl is one level of AFL as another level and it basically no longer lawn locked that once. Where if we look at it. Very recent example northbound The Northern Blues Gone That Count Partnership is gone. That's been split up and then you've got a bunch of standalone clubs Melbourne Williamstown Franks Opole Melvin. Yep sorry pulled Albany to just say Melvin could could collapse under this with no fans coming into watch them Tickets now be silent Knight. Food styles These standalone clubs currently they could collapse so we have a very very small via foul In the twenty in in Twenty. Twenty one doesn't have relevance anymore pips does via fell having relevant. I felony the problem with the F. L. IS EXACTLY. I think it's Nine Bay with me when away. The when we think the value fell it was twelve. It was the twelve teams twelve Victorian teams all the eleven victorian teams and in the CD once that was the AFL. Then it transpires in the I felt when they brought the mean a lot of those small Outside clubs that were part of the original. They disappeared you. Franken's disappeared. Preston disappeared although abroad into brought into the fall by the club's Novum bylanes selflessly being pressed him abroad. Ing Box Hill box hill were inbreeding as the whole affiliate where be was still a williamstown was still the but it lost. It's lost its original. Feel if it might also you gotta remember the AF. I used to play sixteen aside so there was a difference in the way that I played football as well so when it all sort of merged into one it lost. It's lost. Its feel and now that the with what's happened with this whole grain of ours thing it's GonNa make it massively tough because clubs are going to go. Well you know it's not just the AFL or you know what's GonNa go with the Women's League yet. Look at that as well on on a done. Think it'll go because I'd be quite surprised but a wouldn't be surprised if it disappeared but I don't think it's going to run at the Y. That will always love it to sort of put self away from the if the I fell teams and back to their own. Comp I just I think you're gonna see that anymore and so I'd be really disappointed. These are I remember. I remember a God. I used to play with standardized. Kill Gary Sheldon. He won a medal. He also played in the non eighteen. Nine Coburg Premiership team and I'M GONNA mcdonagh. That guy was a windy hill and that was one of the best experiences. Remember from football solder things and because it wasn't did it do another applies couldn't care less but it was a different type of football. It was that was that was more professional than your local leagues. But it was just on that fell so it was. It was a completely different experience. What cute it was a when they when they first got rid of the AFL per sale or the reserves competition and neons all these gun kids and all these implies back into the local leagues push play pay a plight payments went completely through the roof and so what was almost that the the local lakes took over from what was originally designed to do. And then when you say clubs going out on their own we'll then you club seating they again. Well what do we do if you're the northern blades per se who've been around for goodness knows how many years Preston getting to know the bullets and then completely completely Chine Jr? What do you do your lanes? You're going to have to fall in line. Look it's it's really. It's really disappointing. It's really disappointing. Looks at a wood-based prostate complete. Because that's it's. It's a huge history a long long history and it's jarring on its history. What do you mean a happy you will you go? You've got the you've got the Vega Fi and the AFL which really only started back in nineteen ninety. So you've only really got. What's that twenty thirty Thirties a history on talking before talking before the bath towel. I'm going back to verify history. I'm talking about it via fi sort of things don't VfL be well. Let ask you this. Hips let me ask you this. Quick look through the list of metal windows in the twenties I can get about five or six. I L lists of the winners of the medals really out of all of us twenty years. What's The relevance these was the relevance of this is actually making to the NFL? Hell of a lot off is to let me just cannot control of some roll offs implies Gary Ablett Senior Vice. Just Huma Theory Gary Ablett. Sonia robot. Flour Bob Skilton Tony Lockett you. Probably Take Tony out if you see where I'm going with this and let's pick a couple more Nathan Buckley now. None of those guys WanNa Premiership but would you say that they would not good place. Because I played in the Flag Way. Molem pick it has. What's the purpose of the AFL CLUBS? It's gotta be it's it should be to fall and this is where this is where the waters of ninety because it used to be a bit of a feeding ground for place to get drafted. Mckay but now what's happened is is that if you have a look at those lists you got what your value game or a via Feldstein. You've got twenty two and I have a twenty third main American half half to three quarters of the people in that. Vfl Vive sorry via the AFL EAST. So the whole purpose of it where it was more of a breeding ground to get people in doesn't make much sense because basically joe team. Yeah now when you say from a listen. Medal perspective legal. I agree with you but there are some fantastic plays that have come out of the vehicle that would never got a chance to get and I'll put this a perfect example is if you haven't already had to listen to it. I had a chance to sit down and have a conversation with Sean Smith last week. We know he played Melvin took arguably the mcenery plight at North Melbourne as well when he goes into all these concussions in the state of the game and the skills of the game and number of other things people may or may not know is that he finished up at North Melbourne. Inau nineteen ninety. I think it was three could be wrong. Played it wherever he and third in the list of middle fifty one goals picked up Melbourne that next year. What was a year for that though? Ninety four ninety five ninety five and that was his first year Melbourne and then he had a downside to that and they fall for hobbies injuries to his tall but the trying to make is that he went back to a system which was outside and he could flourish again and he was given that opportunity and there are a number of. I'll put it this way. By fritzie placement Melvin he came through the VfL system. Channon is another one who's come through that via system mile and pick it has come through From over in the waffle basically fuel saying close the AFL. What waffles. No good a sign that the samples shot decide that the Northern Territory League the Quavo? The New South Wales will shut the mold in well. They're in a different position. What position because they're not aligned clubs such as the Such as Vfl a different or do we need to look at maybe a restructuring where clubs. I just have no association whatsoever potentially on either Port Adelaide had done that with the MEG. Positive Sandoval yet So we had players playing on different clubs would villain clubs and we had to get that association but what? I'm talking about going forward. Twenty twenty. Let's go back to when you told me Sean Smith that happened fifteen years ago when the NFL was just a notch below the AFL level. Yep now at almost seems locked the AFL is created because the next that is the EPA. You might think it's like a lot. Isn't it it? Just it's it's just assignment every play. Who talks coming into the fell system? Says that it is literally like it's it's if they afoul is is is a one. Iflb's at ten. This everything is different about speed. The scales the structures. Everything is different yet. So what I'm saying is going forward. Can Clubs afford to carry a competition that may not be necessary to help them improve the think? The issue is what you've just said een should clubs beyond now if they weren't aligned. I'll be odd before wholeheartedly. Because it is an alternative used to remember when the pliers used to go down to Williamstown or go to where it will go to whichever club and all five of them agree with that but this whole thing has muddied. The waters look at clubs. Who Stand alone you? You'd have to look at what Paul Melbourne couple easy with one of I WANNA VfL As a stand alone club. Yup that's that's massive. You consider you. Playing against clubs have got huge. Bank balances facilities. You could only dream of and they were clubbed down pull Melba Barra. Who are able to do something that that is. They're the ones that are really fearful that one williamstown. Where'RE BE Franks into full? Because they have literally Frank Frank Ston Yet. Nothing yet ahead. Fulton Avenue Bancroft Blossom B. B. B. Corporate dollars. Frank since I much not really no I the son of Vfl you could who well phrased minded nightfall released. My that's true. That's true but as maynard pulled pulled Melbourne has just got. The full hour is almost like the awesome. Yeah you know. It's the big club that everyone goes to win the prize don't make I F L liberal that Goto pullman to Willie we gotta look at it the by his brain around scenes I seventy seven a week after the sample was formed in Adelaide. That's that's that's a long time ago that we just pray to God or you know. We can't afford and a tape saying that the AFL she in focusing it should be. It should be separated. It should be separated because if you're in the diner nail that the NFL is setting themselves up for when it comes to the football solder things if you are a gun local player where do you. What way do you go to? What'S THE KNICKS? Challenge about that. Well unless you've done something like that but even use your vessel if you if you're the top of the food chain from at a perspective yeah and you're getting ways you wish your opportunity after that. Well that's when you have to get picked up his club. Twenty three twenty four picked is plays up anymore and if I do it's once in a Blue Moon. So where do you go? And they're the ones who are going to get hurt they're the ones who were. GonNa get Stung amount will pick. It wouldn't get a Gundi again. Don't Zorka he got picked up from the quarrel. Think he was twenty three twenty four when he got picked up combines history but he was he was he was an old apply. So the chances of using these things happen again. Be Very very minuscule okay. I think I've milked enough out of that. I think we might have no. There's a lot of platelet. Let's go through some of these clubs. I put Melvin. We know who believes town? Sandringham go gone Gone Saints Game Game. They used to be used to be saw with killer. Footscray Jilani. They die was going springvale. Which was now casey person relates. What am I gonNa Oakley? Oakley's the with the blue the pile blue and duckling jump up terrain. North deigning on northbound Arable with Brockton widely. But we're talking about some a lot of history day a lot of history. That's he's GonNa get flushed and forgotten. It's not right it does it. Does it does that. The why the is I would say. The cookie crumbles the few guys. Well let's go back to. The original headline is the chorale even beyond twenty twenty because of the hold ifo clubs to find themselves in the industry. The I'll think it's relevant. If it continues the whiteys just I think just I think it's relevant. It's relevant to this dandelions but irrelevant to the NFL clubs. They all wanted was when the I feel sort of things I didn't care about the AFL. Let's just a fatal conflict so highly win. This is how much seriousness I put on number of years ago. Wayne hopeful plight in their grandfather remember. They took zero really off at half-time in the NFL. Grain Farnell so he could play the week after. Nfl what does that say what. What does that go to show? How much importance. I put on at the fact that they would give somebody a chance not to play in a grand final because they wanted to give someone to run around a half a game. That's when you look at it from that perspective that he ns scheduling socks. Lock at one hand of me says I'd love for the NFL and they out to play the grandfather on the same day But on the other hand you know you wouldn't get stories. We're not much cyril but stories locked the mile and pickets in the whatnot. I eastern would you still would i? If you go back old school dizon you can speak to people you know you know them on the back Pun. You couldn't get back to back like Playa game for two hours finished by Finished by one o'clock and then yet then plan again. By chief day on on grandfather died law US might they used to play the under non teens then the reserves and then the scene is all on the one night too. I am I. You say you can't do that. But he's a thing they play these up in Camas dying before it anyway. Now you are saying the same thing I want that I want one of what three games of football on grandfather will go there. Complained bunch of muppets up. The could no has fallen. They do a perfectly they have they the the the the twenty ones they have their reserves and then I have the senior game all in the one. I still you know we make life. That's what we got your dance monkey and verify. Sorry deciding it's gone and it's GonNa be a travesty in the papal people novel. Steiner wouldn't give two sheets coming out on the end unless he gets restructured Orantes. Let's tell about something. Give you something else. Give me something special. That quickly just grabbed his pen. And just walk through marked off the of the Board of the next one pip on talk about folks for the competition. The last week about the best football games ever had a top fifty yet. We're GONNA I want to start at five to one view. Is that okay to like like peas and carrots? More framed all thinking exactly these. The softening is all put in the shower nights Iman together. Brilliant Arts coming up at five is the two thousand and five grand final Sydney in west coast. Which is the infamous Leo Berry Berry? Use Sta number four says one zero three point margin that one number four was the two thousand sixteen Western bulldogs versus Sydney grandfather. When listenable talks broke their hoodoo after pointy sixty years over forty from fullback fiery kicked it longer than that key number? Three was the nineteen eighty. Nine grand final The hoax Angelo probably before Montagne but might be of a Harley Regatta. That guy needs for myself all the oil cleanup in yet. He broke a couple of ribs and apparently lesser added. One of these kidneys both that game or are in that game on DVD. That you have you. Have you seen that from start to finish narrowness and the I got? It's basically cross country. Boxing with goalpost. Gained okay it was. Oh Dude and if you I want to watch if you ever WANNA watch a game where person just destroys any anyone and everything. And he's path talking about kicking nine that one that one that the kicked on and lost kick non and lost is some of the stuff that I would just watch it views listeners. For my watch not mature the two thousand sixteen pray limb. Gwa's and Western bulldogs. That was a twilight gyn and less than a kick. That was a that was that was that was better than the week after night. You know that that's now you're watching a cracker of a game when you life is cheering at the TV at the same time and in the twenty four years of nine my wife or reckon. That's happened. 'twas once on that game a month when mel but even the crappy awful but that he's that he's just a belter of a guy from start to finish from start to finish. That guy was just extraordinarily for number of reasons. The biggest crowd ever are think at Gw as stadium. It was packed. The atmosphere was electric it. And it's just a great game of onnell's owners. Football in your wrought allotted the you have look at least how many prelims are on it. The wreck win is the premium number one yet. The two thousand eighteen grand final between Collingwood and west coast. I'm now going to just shop for a little bit because I know you've got some thoughts and I can see you sitting there. Euro can't contain yourself. What what are your thoughts on that top? Five Oregon Got Aric and they've gone to Oregon except for one on the top one on Oregon on on the top. I don't agree with to win to win. haven't led O.`day ZIP for the final two minutes yup downs six points in the first quarter. You Ain't be coal. They call the ain't it was a pretty a pretty exciting game. If if it wasn't a grandfather would still be pretty exciting game yet. Your can yup dumb shades. Come on all you got to give the guy for what he did but calling with choke that day. They charged my they were. I had an opportunity to be six goals up six plus calls up and they chote watch that last. Watch that last quarter of that game yet. They think these taught up to rusty sheriff's badges and West Coast just ran over the west coast ran over the top of them. That's what happened. Yeah have you talked to? We have many times. Have we seen that though when you six seven goals down first quarter first off here but it's a great fall? Anything happened like diced. I think if you if you put those those those games against the caliber of those four underneath the only thing that gets that one across the lawn is that dumb shade goal the GW is. That was close old. I that was old. I it out. Swinging in full in Geelong whole phone did get away to a big laid like it was almost thirty points something Iran about that at three quarter time football. You're going to send that was a massively punching the crap out of each other that night serve regardless of what the school that was just free flowing just brutal it's br- it's a brutal game one underneath it. Which is the wisdom The grandfather wisdom. Buddha kidney isn't the one I've I'm prince with yes time seamy. We're going in his rocket favorites for that. The bulldogs played themselves out of the scheme. But that was a good game from start to finish is well if you watch that game. It's actually really guy from start to finish. And the last one that Sydney West Coast final of follow the two thousand five two thousand six grand finals. Vinci's my best pair of rainfall totals immoral as that. Because they were they were just. They went for a couple of years where it was just a single point margins for goodness knows how many games stripe and that was. That was the magic of what happened with the magic of Hold on against the they would not give in the magic of west coast versus the giving of CD and it happened again the next year. That's the one I would put up a little bit higher. Say other one the other one which I think is ranked a little bit low and once is another grand final. It's folding. It's the whole phone. Jalaun grandfather wage along for the whole full and kicked all those points to the street. Ju- Cameo Y- Delta a love it. I love it I love that game and I don lock all the on your loan This is this is the wireless got made. This is a guy that should have been probably one for me. And it's the non ain't seventy nine grand final between Carlton Collingwood with Wine. Homs but a you only gone because of one moment in the Grand Final Nam told. I'm talking about the whole guy on my comebacks this this this is greater than the cooling a West Coast comeback and that game was down two minutes and wine. Homs knocked the ball out of the hands of a spectator on the online. What do you mean he was getting his third from the snack bar? When you hear what I'm saying is how does that. I'm not make the top five. When it's the guy that will always replay always debate about for the next hundred gs of football then agree you're talking about owning seventy nine grand final grand final cotton lead at halftime three-quarter. Tom In the final. They didn't come back. I think you have mixed up with the Teddy Hopkins Hopkins Hopkins kicks to come back. Yeah I think you've got that makes 'cause when we come back. I virtually that led that one eight points at quarter. Tom and they've come back to win win. Boy They won by seven in the end. I'm going by five in the end. I thought I thought I'd come back. That's Mama Staff. But but that's the thing is that. I can look at this list and everybody could go look. He's another cracking game. This encourage along game from two thousand and both teams went into it at thirteen wins apiece. Yep like you're not going to see that. That's just an anomaly that you you won't see game these you know the the one guy that cannot believe that's not on is if you. WanNa talk about thrilling games being boys? It's the nineteen eighty elimination fall. Melbourne versus West Coast. Yeah Melbourne hit the front with a male less than a minute ago West Coast get it out Bang Bang Bang and Murray Range then runs into an open goal. Sprays it kicks appoint Melba Limbaugh buttoning was three points that stage. Well that was that was at that time it was massive. It was all the way caned. But there's lots of cracking games. There's another praline. The prelims whole phone Jr along is a non latest loudest. Sit laddis noise of ever heard of the game to the point or couldn't hear the Sarin Gulf that's Atlanta was was massive or even go as far as the withdrawn grain fall. Two thousand eighteen minutes six yard. Give that yeah. Give that seven look through the least. I'm looking at the lowest stuff because we folks to be on the Omaha solder things. Yeah no ninety. Six elimination fall of Fitzroy. Nissim was a corker commitment. There's always that big mccomb Mickey Cohen running in whilst getting confused. Sorry I got confused because couch would be on with two minutes to go out and calling with non grand final although beholden to memories. That's all right. I'll be going two minutes. The Guy might even look at the look. You can look at a lot of these games and you find something. What about the two thousand and four premium follow pulled versus Kilda? Yeah all the all the one way pull this whole phone off the like of I. Twelve preliminary YEP that was that was Adelaide Adelaide Geelong not Is Whole phone. The J. In two thousand four. We kicked like Seven or eight points in the first quarter. We lost by four in the end a little. Caesar CRACKING LACY is cracking. Least and I just think I think the list is pretty good. Except for I would take out the Western bulldogs. Sydney one And are replaced that with non non grandfather and final offer would strike at that auto my take out the two thousand nine DRP seeks and just move everything up on. I'll be happy to God that that two thousand six grant will see new versus West. Coast is a belter as well back to back those grandfather's a fantastic the other which is not on here which I can't see the Sydney versus awful in two thousand twelve meek mill Cherokee yes. They're the Games. You remember a little bit surprised that the two thousand Melvin versus isn't ingrained formula. Did Not make these least all the two thousand. Eighteen prelims Melvin versus west coast. Didn't like the list or either the very surprised by that is emissions or west coast would have had that the whole year grandfather who follows as in in that list tough and the Alamo do see missing of two thousand four and I started two thousand seven I fell Graham fondle port versus Jalala. Think it wasn't happens not to be Do you know what I should have put in it. Because if we're GONNA have sentimental crap with the west of dogs and Sydney we should put the Geelong taken up blowing. The little town hall. Hasn't recovered hasn't recovered now. That's cracking least. That is an absolutely cracking. And you know what what I'm finding sheds will isn't that a rant. It's more of a just a an appreciation. I think a modest set a couple of weeks. Yeah but I'm really really really thankful for Fox. Footy channel seven low these. I haven't just gone into this. Shell the channel seven doing every week where they bringing all games for team to applying that way. It's magnificent and the food in for Fox to be doing this sort of stuff to to be able to continue with what's going on with the coverage given Curiel th. It is tough. It's really really tough at the moment. Like Toronto Formula One show with cows. Thrown is hey welcome to bake is bouquet. We've Baker. I am Baker. Being flail to be able to talk about the game to be able to come up with stuff and they they're doing amazing job. The Meteorite Demar. Shut me up. I'm only have one more topic. That just assist. Wanted to check in if you haven't got something going on. I don't really have anything at the moment. No it's it's nine tonight one more and this kid so not sure one. You're looking applying foul games in twenty twenty dotting. The season and what the talking about pips is putting crowd. Sounds of empty stadiums What are your thoughts on that just all you have to have a little rant about this. 'cause you have strong opinion? I I'll put it this way any any any show that decides to put crowd noise any show that the solids to put in Fakeness within those anybody who decides to give themselves credit for doing. It's not real. It's not original. It's it's it's not. True factual is fight. And they're kidding themselves. If I think anything about that and the NFL and the broadcast if they do that they more delusional. Think die. It's okay to have. Caned laugh on a comedy show where you don't see the audience you're going to have. What are they GONNA do? They GonNa have crowd noises doing awards show of running down the wing. And there's no one there health I gotTA explain it how. You Dad question for yeah. Where's all the cheering? Coming from. Wendy's now one in the stadium? Welcome to the iphone on the fell. It is stupid stupid. That's what I think about So basically If sort of canned lobster is it's actually I Laughter Jokes and the science behind that really's if he LOFTA paper Morlock it off to the jugs and have give the jokes. It'd be more punch. Just one. He they're trying to allow us to get excited about the football Because I think the feedback from round one was stock contrast of just there was no excitement and PEPs. You mentioned the second show last week. There was nothing to get excited about in the NFL. Games of close nothing. There was four games under underlying points but there was no excitement from the empty stadiums. And take it back to what you said Round one we spoke about this yesterday. Forty is great. Yes the practice right and that never change but the biggest thing that the AFL forget about is the crowd makes the game the football the implies the plays that have a small percentage. It is all about the crowd at the game and I think the fight crowd will only be an insult to football public all months of getting a little surprise for. I'll have actually got some some Audio from the round of the crowd at we just they were some of the Visits to the guy picked up all of the ground mocking channel. Seven on the Thursday Naughton Richmond. Game it's an insult if you think that we're going to treat US Lockheed eaters as they just taking your if this was spinal tap. They were turning away to eleven. But why don't you just have a ten because one goes to goes to and it's just it is an insult it's an insult but you're the classic is. I don't know if you've heard these part of the story. What they planning on doing these having an audio engineer person in person because man or a woman old I might be gender-neutral planning on raising the canned laughter volume up and down and the Saban as things go on in the game. Yeah that's that that's all I've got really because that one as a short sweet one you and I both agree on the phone. He's just pathetic but you just real exciting. Just can't just can't just can't it? Start makes g you giving US material every right to come into orbit some of the stuff that are doing and it's people getting onto the people getting paid the big box. Come up with the stupidest always the That's that's a bad one. That's worse than what's we'll also spoke about survivor. Afl last week and it's due to augment the camps but now applies when applying it. No one wants to me to leave my family for goodness knows. Hello Yup and what going? Sta compound where everybody's in the one area and yong-nam person to get the corona virus to infect four teams will sixteen center update potentially Yeah the last time that I tried. That was called. Gw Is in the early days that worked out well for them didn't it. Yep All right so I'd I'd do it. Just don't do it. Nitrate is for idiots. Things heard today going from a local perspective. This this is even hard to swallow. It was one of the League's the Essendon district football league. One of the Premier League's here in Melbourne tossing around. Is I wake season I did. I did read that actually a nine week season. You're kidding themselves. No-one weeks once again and then I'll have a final series in charge. People Twenty Bucks to gone what you so they make their money back but by why put anyone up relegate anyone down and I want promote anyone up that's worth it's not worth having it's ridiculous on having -joyed saying the S. and District Football League Playa trick shots. I'll have you enjoyed that. Did you say last week when the lights out page massive long thumping kick while your typical backman you literally would just booting data. They did want to pressure on yourself did. Did you ever take shelter goal top square? We're all good team. Plays put it. 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We've got the ability for you to call lean so if you WANNA choline drop us a message this I would love to be guest on the podcast and we'll we'll give you the Numba we'll hook you in and while we were you'll be part of the Shire and also leaves a voice message. You've got any questions for next week. So this is Lisette on pips with the great job. I have to ask him. The question is on everybody's Lips J. Dog. Hetty love your son and your Foodie and your wife all I say Laseyette have a great weightlessness listening to step aside. If you haven't done so already I'm sure. Subscribe Rights and Labor trees on the huskers PIPPA. And Jamie. What was Liike Foodie ice out?

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Australia's four COVID-19 frontlines

The Signal

16:55 min | 9 months ago

Australia's four COVID-19 frontlines

"This is an ABC podcast. Good afternoon, we start with breaking news on two staff members of Liverpool Hospital being infected with corona virus, sparking fears of a second way that it's about to hit new, south Wales, these west southwest, and northwest to put on alert with everyone who lives there being warned the cautious about catching covert at Geelong manage. Just fifty one has died alone at home after contracting corona virus at work covert has. Has. Killed Nineteen more victorians the biggest daily death toll since our nightmare began in the blurb the news each day, it can be hard to work out what's going on with Australia's covid nineteen numbers. New Worst Day seemed to all the time we hear about more and more schools, pubs, and restaurants being closed for cleaning and the prospect of a holiday in Queensland or of Christmas with family interstate looks more remote than ever. But despite all that the things starting to turn around. I'm Christine Gate, an Stevens Smiley, and today on the way trying to step back from the daily chaos of covid nineteen. What's going on in each of Australia's states and territories, I, what does it mean for you? So until about a fortnight ago, pretty much all of us rallies covid scares were in two states. Victoria. which is now in its second week of a harsh statewide look down and New South. Wales. which is trying to pull off what some people have called a wacko approach to dealing with covert clusters. But two weeks ago that changed, and now they're handful of locally quiet covid cases into other states in Queensland and South Australia threat to the Koran of our second wives to not growing here in south, Australia with more new cases and confirmed cluster linked to two schools. Authorities wasting no time reintroducing a number of restrictions in a bid to limit the number of people gathering and reduce the risk in San, the state has. has recorded three new cases police. This morning confirm that it was, in fact, three women who had traveled from Queensland into Victoria and then attended with I was an illegal party I went to extraordinary lengths to be deceitful and stepped of and quite frankly criminal fifteen hundred contacts have now been traced related to these three cases. A southeast retirement home is right now in lockdown as fees mount overall states, Corona virus outbreak. So, community transmission is obviously the big. Of. The COVID. Nineteen pandemic. So he wanted to take stock of where that kind of transmission is happening and where it's more or less stopped. Yeah, and there's one person at the ABC. Who knows all? Cool. Okay. See. I, guess people might know you from the television screen, but can you introduce yourself? You're what you're doing at the ABC what your role is just for the type place show on crise breaks. I'm just a boy standing next to it. GIGANTIC GRAVITAS television screen. working at the IBCA's sort of corona virus begins analyst. Fantastic. Okay. So look we talk a lot about. About Victoria understandably, it's pretty scary and everyone in Victoria. Is Living version of lockdown a different level. If you're a Metropolitan Melbourne to the rest of the state, but I guess when we talk about Victoria, kind of lose sight of what's happening across the country or at the national kind of situation is what's the picture lack across the strategy right now, we have like a in the sites outside Victoria. Three sort of main scenario is again the moment and. The sites can jump. into any of those scenarios, any time if they don't. On the most severe case, you've got wiles. One. A small number of cases might across the border from. New South Wales individuals. started as some fairly significant size classes, and that's led to this sort of ongoing low level transmission of this virus police are tonight beefing up our border to stop the second wave spreading into our state today health officials. Confirming every class to here is linked to a single strain from Victoria within hours scans. Queensland Strategy. Most. Recently, little. So the ice each. Where cases have made in has been local will transmission amid the site throughout the borders very quickly Western Australia. Says Mighty trae. Have had a very firm approach to really reducing throttling number people that are allowed. And in part because of that, probably in because the block by habitat, any local transition, a very long time. But of course, there's nothing is titled. Eventually. Go, the way. New. South Wales if that outbreak copy snuffed out very very quickly because we not help change, think this virus compay. Okay. So sort of three, four about McCoy is in a category of itself stages or. Situations around the country. In Victoria, you've got a lot of community transmission still and you set wild. You've got as you said, sort of seating from across the border that has continued to spread and kick around. The sort of rolling list of venues. Then you've. Queensland Essay in the. Box and then the hard border states if you like what and and the northern territory. Outside the the borders have been a big contributor to that, but there's also a degree of block admits. The virus can get over the border because equals crossing the border. Even if you throw old it throttled back. Dramatically, there is a west that slim chance that the virus will find that one in the. That will allow it to to. Spray the difficulty with these pharmacies by seeing yourself wiles compared SASCO. So you'd have Saas Cope One, the florists spreading through symptomless carriers as well. People. He don't know that bumpiest virus spread it, which means you can never really be entirely sure that you've extinguished for. A cluster, they might be that one case go away. The band creates fixed. One person or two people by be. They're also I think domestic then very quickly, you sort of get several degrees separation. Why? All right. So in terms of cost is developing in those states where his no community transmission at the moment, tough borders are the key and the bottom edges don't get any tougher. Than the ones that apply Victorians, the State is Australian Covert Ground Zero and its residents Abbad from going anywhere else even if they quarantine I n case, he says, there's a good reason for that. Although things are finally starting to look up a little things in the loss sort of even bottles seeks diets have been working a lot more positive. Victoria, we will already seeing sort of slowing in the curve of slowing in the the right. This forest was spreading and it's looking more like you know we can't be a hundred percent confident. But you know every day that we say small numbers can be a little bit more competent span this curve. Is Bending. Downwards. Professor Brit. Sutton. The chief health officer has told a parliamentary committee that he thinks most of what we're seeing at the moment is thanks to. What's mosque wearing across Melbourne? That's the case. Then we probably haven't seen the full effect of the stage for restrictions. In Melvin just yet and saw that would hopefully then continue becoming dies as we lease the safe at. So you know momentum is growing in in Melvin, such that if we would have say a, you know a couple of days of big numbers will that would lists concerning now because they've come off the back of a fish, rich of spoil numbers in the question is now will, how long will it take to get those numbers down law? Is enough pressure to get them to a very large number because difference between. Site two hundred cases of die in ten cases value. That's really significant. We've seen in New South, Wales how hard we used to get from tank cases. The title see Roy by having achieved that yet. So the question is reaching everyone. How can the numbers game on these current policy? Settings and it won't point. Restrictions. Said and you south wiles the numbers do bounce around the law, and it sort of underscores the difficulty in getting from like a couple of hundred to two to twenty. But then from twenty, ten things to be quite difficult, I mean yesterday New South Wales that there was a new record of twenty two. Cases. Now, sixteen dollars locally acquired and linked to nine classes and four I. Think we're in Harto quarantine one was for Melvin, and then one is of an unknown source. What does a data set like that and tell you what kind of patent is there and you saw in many cases where we actually don't know where the case come from all pretty much everything is traceable eventually. We'll most of them are being Christ. You know the vast majority of being traced back to non. Non Costas. If you look back at the coup for the last three to four wakes, you'll say the train sorta takes up very slowly and then it's come down again, that goes up again and again, and what we're seeing is that it's being driven by Crystal Crossroads Hotel the. Which which God. Says something like sixty sixty cases would saw in had the tyrod restaurant with repod cluster which drive another round infections and I think that's now more than a hundred infections we looking at sort of. One hundred twelve fictions, links to that cross had a funeral cost with sixty three infections with dealing with three Three classes that have been linked to schools in some way, shape? Tongariro. School for girls, the L. Lady Missing. Paramedic, and we've got these these cluster in Batmans by which is rearing its head again, three cases yesterday. and. The first cases that have been leads to that costing twenty four died. So, this thing can hang around for a really long time, but what we're seeing is has new cluster. Emerges in. This is the biggest one, is the school for girls with seeing the trend up again and saw Hugli that one does come under controlled like the previous four or five have as well as we start to see that dream come down. Right. So that's the two biggest states with the two biggest problems. But what about that crop of states that don't have this trend of daily new cases case? She says, the thing he's noticed in the past few weeks, some of them have experienced. These kind of scares is that they seem to have learned from the missteps in New South Wales. Particularly in South Australia and Queensland. In the last couple of weeks We have seen a suspect boy sites looking at newsouth wiles seeing what a hit I it sort of is to. Be Tracking and try single face a cases and I just don't want to have to that one. Kate, these numbers really. Low, and limited local transmission as quickly as possible, and so we're seeing really record responses really won't say Sam, even hotline responses in terms of you know in south at one of the. Cases in the past week or two attended a senior college David in Diego College everyone in that school community has been sent intrude So boss, elation, and close the tax incentives solid till quarantine that is bulls in a thousand people in one fell swoop saint for cost of that I think is only about five cases being. which seems quite dramatic. But if you can take that sort of severe action now to curtail, it will end. Assigning. So quite a lot of Hainan and quite a lot of difficulty in the long run similarly in Queensland. We saw all eventually south region that sort of the prison sow Logan area put into lockdown. Mo. visitors allowed because of cost of that was really quite small, but they've seen what happens in Victoria h K. homes, but don't want to that one thing the the. The difficulties of tracking and tracing Ami consequences that were now saying lying out Victoria. So the decision was made to put them in lockdown for a week until like comfort of this cluster had been sort contained laced. Likely. The likely outcome, it's that that will be consigned. So this you're seeing the really major interventions. In an effort to bicycling caitlyn sites at zero local transmission to keep them in the site with with fake limitation of this. Boris. And then right we have three places. You know it got Western, Australia Tasmania and the northern territory where if they are cases daring quarantine and there's really no community transmission or the hasn't been for a while. I mean sites like Western, Australia Tasmania. By an had a local transmission of this virus, since my basically the seventh of my my wisdom. Australia and Batson enviable position that position obviously want to. Kate for as long as possible and bugs ends with. Sites. Looking to keep the border restrictions in place for a very long time, the Chief Minister of little territory that I said they looking at nineteen months strategy of border restrictions. That's how long they're expecting to be declaring hotspots and restricting treats. Certain people because. Having no crisis as we've seen in new, south. Wales. Having zero cases at all is a heck of a lot easier to do with even just having to You'd much rather have had zero in in some of these a sites in territories like my decision that the economic impacts of Risking even small numbers of crisis, I'll weightless having that tourism industry I've? Been? Business. And just the national picture. A lot of the national number is essentially what's happening in Victoria But what is the what is the trend that you can say over the past few weeks if you look at all the cases popping up around the country? As it's been mostly from, Victoria. New. South Wales. What's the? What's the movement? We can't really at this point when. States territories all at very different sorts points in dealing with this damning. It's sort of impossible to use a overrule national picture. Victoria at the moment. Cool. That his critics trending in the Right Direction New South Wales, holding the line. But you know the longer I'm say, these sorts of cases Basil two. Levels you know the risky Rick Gates that you start to lose? Lose Control and then you've got. Every. Other state territory dealing with little scares from. Utah including the ICT Queensland's strategy. Then you've got some abloh skis. Liberal by. That is the signal for today. If you're enjoying the show, you can always take a sexy rightous review on apple podcasts. It will help others find us, and it also makes us feel nice to, and if you want to get in touch with us with the story idea or if you have questions that we can potentially answer about something in the news, drop us a line and our email, the addresses, the signal at IDC net dot are you and we'll be back right here. Tomorrow catch you. You've been listening to an ABC podcast discover more great. podcasts live radio and exclusives on the ABC listen. APP.

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Pappyon, Real Connections, Better Business - InnovaBuzz 344

InnovaBuzz

1:18:11 hr | 6 months ago

Pappyon, Real Connections, Better Business - InnovaBuzz 344

"Welcome to the INOVA bus podcast with L. job is to help you don't visibility P- professional credibility and connection with your ideal client like putting a human at the center of Innovative Marketing. So, you can build and strengthen and engaging enduring relationship with your clients. On European straps from his and honored that your here with me. If you haven't joined our wonderful marketing transformation community yet. Go to. See. And collect your free gift as well. I do subscribe to the show and also Labor review because it helps Abbas find so. Let's get into today's master close on this. PODCAST. We're moving away thankfully from being transactional in how we live alive whether it's for personal reasons or business raisins. And coming together as papal and. When you think back to it community, that sense of purpose is to why you do what you do has stood the test of time. Now, just to make sure that message is clea at every touch point of. How you engage with people. Welcome back I. Hope you've had an awesome week so far. If, you haven't yet listened to my recent conversations with Chris Barra's Brown of upping your Elvis and with Neil Sahotra, IBM master inventor then go check them out but only after you've loosened today's conversation. I'm really excited today to have on the another bus podcast, my guest both Sonia Zebic and Dan octial the CO founders of Pepi on. Papillon is a social networking platform that exists primarily to serve businesses wanting an easy way to build and maintain a strong professional online prisons to serve businesses that are seeking to support and adopt sustainable solutions as well as a base for connection that is filled with substance. Advice that they can use and depend on to thrive amongst the connections that matter most. The power of the PAPILLON platform lies in improving the quality of the networks established online. And Enabling businesses to create a hub full contact details and links to other online channels. In, our discussion today. Sonia and Dan talked to me about building real connections that lead to better business. We talked about how covid has changed online networking and how can benefit from that. And we talked about great things that are achieved. Wind technology is combined with human connection and purpose. Without further ado, let's fly into the hive and get the buzz from Sony Beck and Dan hardshell. I'm your host. Strauss from another busy and I'm really excited to welcome today to the another about podcast from very close by in my hometown Geelong Australia Sonia Z. Back, and then our chow who are the CO founders of Papillon, which is an APP that enables powerful and meaningful professional connections focused on relationships and not Algorithms I. Love that. So welcome to the another bus podcast Sonia Dan it's a real privilege type you here as guests. Thank you it's going to be a Lotta Fun. Thanks. Again we're excited. Now papillon's all about business networking and connecting people in a different way, and I'm curious what inspired you to develop an APP that was focused on business networking, and where did you say the gaps that Pepi on his designed to fill? Ni- that's a great question and. I think the the high level answer starts with the fact that for long. Wow. Now, both of a sustained technologies and then they blah of connection, but not necessarily the builder of relationships. And by that. I mean. It's relationship building still require is the people involved to be proactive to take each other out and? Create that strong human connection that you cannot replicate through algorithms and so forth. So We've taken a lot of time to look the likes of all the social media platforms and how businesses use them to engage with their clients, they customers, stakeholders, and whatnot. and. For the most part it's still very shallow from from where seats for us the substance the deeper meaning as to why you do what you do why is that conversation with someone about your business just doesn't shine strongly enough through the digital platforms so papillon. Is Bank shaped to really. Give people in Business the the better tools. To take them from connecting to getting to know each other building trust and then really claiming to have a strong relationship. Yeah I really love that and. I've been saying for quite some time on the podcast around facebook that I'm on facebook died, and yet you know people still use facebook in business particularly for the group's feature, and it always frustrates me a little bit when I've got a couple of groups that are really valuable to me better frustrates because I have to go onto facebook and they're on bombarded with Oliseh. As you say people abdicating the relationship building to the facebook algorithms by bombarding US bombarding everybody was messages that are not necessarily relevant and and then not going to the next level even if the message is relevant, not going to the next level. So how is? Different to that. Yet. That's Use a lot of cable. It's there and annoys is a really big one. There is a lot of noise out there the digital space and. I think what often happens with human beings is we've become complacent. Someone else sets the rules of engagement. They make the decisions for assembly, just roll with it until you know. Few. Years Passes in this case I think. Let's say, ten fifteen years of social media. Being our lives. I. Think the time now is really coming to the fore to question why were using these maidens. And For us way wanting to create a platform that gives power back to the uses to create their own experiences, not ones that way set for them because I think for the most part that goes against the human nature Of what it means I think something that you discussed too early in the development of Papillon was. How you like to have a clear separation between business and and personal life in that something that facebook is definitely not a you going in logging in under your personal account yet at the same time trying to do business in really confuses you is at what content you should put out a and. And how you should present yourself whereas Papillon's designed to be a place that strictly full business. Yeah it's interesting. So if you consider PSI linked in which to me is much more business focused than than cy facebook or the other kind of social. If you like personal social media. As Principals and And yet I mean Lincoln still has this issue of people will just reach out to connect. Grow their connections as a vanity metrics. I've got thousands of connections and. That connect with people to collect connections rather than to build a relationship and I get heaps of connection requests, and all it is is just the button clicked to stand sound. So has has requested a connection and usually I. Don't respond to those. Unless you know I'm I'm not look at the person's profile and unless I'm Anne, Phelan mustard that I'd probably. But if it's somebody I know then I I would take the approach. that. I haven't. That unconsidered me important enough to send me a personal message So washer does connect which is kind of a relationship thing right and yet some people send some really great personal messages and that's resulted in relationships building. The other one is, of course that often when you connect with somebody, the first message you get back is high on stuff. Which? which isn't relationship-building either and an I usually on connect with those people. I. Guess my point is you know with linked in there are ways I think you can use it as relationship building a house, pepple, Papillon, gunby, different, and and against the bigger question to me is, what do we need another social media platform? Nice but on. One of the K. differences with Lincoln and Papillon is firstly as you alluded to. Linked in very much is that collection of context type of platform it doesn't start up with everyone being galvanized around the same. Why? Why are we all here on this platform? Why we all wanting to engage together for what purpose? So. Papillon tagline is real connection better business and by that. We're trying to project a message that in using papillon you're using because. You have a raise and to be connecting with someone you either already know them do business together you've been introduced. Or you've come cross paths at an event that has given you strong indication that you shea mutual interest something in common. So from the outset. This this purpose is to why if connected, it's not just a random search. To build your your numbers of connections. And you actually need to be able to identify through the Papillon Platform. That you do. Know. Each other or have. have good reason to be connecting. So we are truly trying to build a message around people coming together around. Quite firm sets of rules of engagement to discourage that. Random requests of connection coming into the space because it just creates more noise. Papillon Israeli. Around. CAPE CAPE ING ran the quality, not the quantity which. In Marketing and as you die, you're again. Moot trump every other strategy all day every day if you just keep focusing on quality and why you're there in the first place. Linked in really is. To serve individuals first and foremost whereas Papillon is the purely for businesses and the business owners and individuals that represent the business so. In connecting on Papillon immediately, the relationship is around the business itself what the business aims to do what differences serves to make. To Your Life and it educating. The network around the business and the wives the business is not so much. The wives, the individual who is looking to progress their own personal and professional brand for future create growth which is. Generally the domain of linked in. Yeah. It's certainly started out that way in terms of you know putting say's up there looking for. Job Opportunities I guess and looking for potential employers who could then see TV there on your resume and you history Absolutely and they've never made any sacred of that linked in that has been the core of the platform ease truly to drive it from a recruitment hunting ground and a sales perspective ground and and that's fine. Business does need that there's there's nothing untoward about that however. Take it step further in terms of that relationship building discussion that we roll really driving lot stronger these days. This. Shallow you cannot. You cannot build relationships with tens of thousands of connections. As you say paypal, we'll take the time to send you a courteous. Personalized message when they requesting to connect. However it doesn't stop there. It's it's journey of. You've gotTA follow through you. You need to truly short to someone that you want to invest time in getting to know each other. So the. Looking at bringing into Papillon is continuing courage in that journey from connection. To. Taking the time to learn to ask to be curious. To Mate. One day hopefully. Why now thankfully is Become becoming a norm but Where we're really looking to help hold the hands of people in business and just guide them. Not Dictate to skied. Demonstrate where the value lies and how opportunity will eventually arise if you truly ana what it means to build a relationship. Yeah I love I love that. And you know you said that. Taking. The time to send a personalized message, Mike and the connection but then net still a very shallow relationship amended says that the person is interested in investing time in that relationship, but it's it's kind of like if you. Using the classic thing to end up with a an engagement ring at the proposal in your host era proposal speech, and then afterwards once once the other person says, yes is. Not Going to talk to you anymore now. It's ridiculous. You wouldn't do that Rod. Lately. You've definitely with someone before you even get to that proposal stage. Yeah. Of course. Now you did mention you know the the fact that we're kind of living through this pandemic and doing a lot more online. I mean one of the things about the existing social media platforms as it does. Up In the opportunity to stop building relationships with people online that are not. You, not geographically collided so that you would make them say in your local networking events or other other events that happened way cross positives paypal. But an, and of course, with covid everybody's now discovered how you can do. Connection online you can jump on the zoom meetings as thousands of zoom meetings, happening all the time. In fact I get caught frustrated 'cause I probably get about ten emails dicing. I was starting this meeting right now as. I've got better things to do right now but Heady heavy you see peppy on working in terms of our. I. Guess my question is, what's the process? Of getting involved, and do you make people first and then you invite them to connect on peppy on Or is it the other way round? Against the scenario is in terms of how you may all come to know each other. In this day and age really does center on a few factors in I league. For example attended that up pick my brain event the other way. And had some people reach out to me that would that was awesome now? The event itself serves as the introduction that that is how we met. That is what brought us together so Immediately that gives us raisin to Rachel out and take that initial introduction to the next step which is to connect. And In the online world, one of the most exciting faces that way fail there's A. Really. Big Gap Papillon can fill is to facilitate an easy connection amongst groups of people in these zoom, working environments and Dan I mean here and so that mostly connect which is. Yes. That's out multi-conflict feature and it's absolutely phenomenal how Networking. His absolutely boomed in this. In this covid nineteen year that we're in not rap right now beforehand, networking was maybe a once a week once a month thing involved actually getting dressed and getting. Driving to the end. In, the lack end then once you'll they depending on the event in the structure of the event could have actually been really cliquey. Might have if it was a dinner or lunch or breakfast event effectively while someone's talking. You're only get to speak to the person to your right to lift at Dodd's. then. Reports. You your morning unfortunately, then afterwards them might be a chance to. To meet a couple of people, not quite often as a network networking events actually ended with with you walking out the door with. Two business caused on the right the on the left. What we've found in the zoom meetings is that because they say easy to get to create in to bring people together that the number of people that you getting on a coal is dramatically higher than what's been going to traditional networking events. and. In the likes of zoom breakout, a breakout sessions way you put together with full detain. Unique Papal to toll for five to ten minutes. That's a networking environment that doesn't necessarily happen at the vast majority of traditional networking events. So what's happening is that people are our two mayt a lot more people and engaged with a lot more people I think. It's really important in the covid nineteen era because the whole business environment is being recreated in Racia- shuffled and building these new networks at becoming integral to everyone in business. So what Papillon aims to do in that space is effectively enable. The event organizer will anyone to effectively put a single link in zoom chat in everyone clicks on that link puts in a quickly creates papillon on a captain puts in the day contact details, and importantly they put in the preferred social media platforms so. If you'll an instagram star than you put instagram at the top of the list if you're a facebook than you put your facebook link at the top of the list and enables you to. Put. In. Various contacts site is it at the end of the meeting everyone's I would access this one page that's got the details of the people. That make that were attending that meeting. And say it's a big meeting. All of sudden. You're here you're online with Cisco. Is Thousand People watching him at that point in time. There's an extra feature that can be putting that requires a double up in because the last thing that we want is. Is Full some spam to get hold of the list of thousand people and stop trying to sell you. There are site Seo Services, lift Is. is. In stage. What it requires is full youtube guy through in select who your interesting meeting simile. The others is suggested to do the same and if both of you have opted into connect with each other, then the connection is made at that point. So that said that way that really quickly and easily. With just a couple of basic steps, you can create these new connections in that environment. Yeah, that's that's a really fascinating application, and of course, it makes it quite a bit easier for the person running the zoom event to. Connect table as well rather than because I've been on on many of these networking events on zoom. Afterwards, the host usually says, look off Cheryl connections are the odd if locked the pick my brian example, you gave us there was a platform there where people have a profile on that, which is a training platform and but that's got to be put together afterwards shed or papal sable list everybody's linked in or everybody's email address. That's GonNa be put together in shades. That's all addressed up front, and also in a way that it filters through that double opt in mechanism you describe Dan. His people. So that's Yeah. That's that's a little bit locked the Lincoln. Yeah you get a request connect and you you don't connect until the other person proves it. Yeah absolutely We simply really want to make it as easy as as it would pay fewer meeting. In person and a networking event, you know once upon a time niches switch out business card and you'd exchange you contact details and so effectively way looking to simulate that and really ten Xing Experiences Dan described soy. Think of it as that single link that you opt in to say, yes, I would like to exchange my. Business contact details with. Cheese That's effectively use saying, please pass on my business card to one hundred other people and and vice versa. So. So if you. Guess that would make the event hundred people in attendance. You would opt into. Share your exchange, your digital business cards so to speak. And if all hundred other AH ten days wanted to make you to night opted in three run single click a link you would receive one hundred other business cards and they would be download into your up and vice versa the other ten days so. From the just eliminates that clunky process of your laving an online event and wondering. Had reach out to Sonia now which which platform she moist engage with me too messy to site was great to meet you pick my brain or whatever event. You met and. For example live. I've jumped off and I've really had some amazing conversations with people and felt so compelled to want to continue that. Jumped on connected with Ramon linked in ten days later no response I only find. Barely use linked in so. Three three these digital business cards that we. Have designed it. This eliminates that uncertainty you know. It's just the. The person telling you how to reach them from the word go. From. From that. So that's the streamlined element of the papillon platform is just to cut out the uncertainty as to what direction to take next in terms of. Connecting Commencing the building relationships. Okay, so the The connecting. Then afterwards, once you have details of that person peppy on the connecting then happens through another platform basically. They preferred social media platform is that how it works Not Not. Necessarily it's. It's more chance for you to identify way to support them. So you you really would use Papillon is the initial step of making a connection having the right information about that person, the business that they're involved and from the. Establishing what online channels. Actually will help you get to know them better and get to know their business better if that makes sense. Yeah. This jewel combination of having. A papillon having the context victory in the Pentagon that way you can actually. See everyone's a cod. Everyone's a preferred contact methods in social media platforms biddle say Papillon, itself will have its own activity fade. Way. People can save the activity of the others including updates in advance and new connections and in the like. Okay we'll both tell us a little bit more than about some of the other features in peppy on the we haven't touched on yet. So. One of. The major elements of Papillon is the digital business cut tool, which we really haven't talked too much about. Today and. Really that tool, their facilitates the method of connection. However, we have attached to social networking platform to round off the whole papillon proposition because. What happens is you connect? And then what it's just. It's a blank wall you. You really don't know what steps to take next. So there's been a lot of digital business cards solutions that have made it easy to exchange contact details but. Nothing happens often that. Papillon. By creating social network of its own within connections that actually met A to you and your business. That is not random connections as we've identified its papal, you actually know or have been introduced to. One. Of the most powerful features of our social networking platform is the is the activity fade that Dan. Mentioned the news feed where you can. Create, content share content amongst each other on. PAPILLON Without feed, you won't be saying by your networks if that makes sense. So you mentioned earlier one of. The the value offerings we put forward is relationships over algorithms. This is an act free environment. We do not want the news fate debate jungle if if you can understand what I'm saying event. Fuck price book. Basically. We think that uses a copy on deserve to be saying by other deserve to be seen by those that they're connected with otherwise how else can you remain updated with who they are, what they doing, what they working on to actually help relationship bill deba and give you something. Continuing continually engage over. Yup absolutely and then. In, traditional tic will talk MVP's and the lack. That's what we launching to to market. Weights and then. Once the critical mass builds up as a whole pipeline of superficial features behind the scenes I'm not too sure Sonny's GonNa. Let me Shayla it's it's it. But effectively once you've got that critical mass, then it's going to be using that behind the scenes information to help you drive bitter and deep connections. serendipitous connections and opportunities to to catch up into mate in a number of various different ways. But that's the secret sauce behind the scenes. It's. Yeah I guess I guess tomato that sounds a lot like what you mentioned right at the beginning of that conversation and that's the you know. It's an Ebola for people to get involved in nurturing the relationship with one another. Absolutely, IT'S A. We really need to bring back just the sense of community and somehow bring that into the the online space and that is. That really will depend on the uses galvanizing around around these messages that not only us, but yourself and other people that you've also introduced us to a recent times. That are really pushing that message around what connection means what does it really mean to be connected? What what is the human element of this world that we're living in look like now particularly for business We've we're moving away thankfully from being transactional in how we live alive whether it's for personal reasons. So business raisins. And Coming together as people and When you think back to it Community that sense of purpose is to why you do what you do Stood the test of time we now just need to make sure that message is clea at every touch point. Of how you engage with people and? We've got a lot of channels out there in the online world. Papillon is going to streamline at all. So it all comes back to the one reason, and that is you are connecting. You are using digital means to help people learn more about your date purpose what you're striving to achieve what difference you want to make. And just a very scattered environment. So papillon really wants to just streamline that. Create this central hub. That people can depend on. To. To determine credibility to determine Genuine and authentic raisins to to be existing in this day and age. Right now Dan you talked about the minimum viable product. So what's the launch timeline for that? Yes I weigh untracked be launching in mid October I. At still. And and in that that point that enables us to launch the multi connect feature that people can use online in that online networking environment as well as the peppin APP. which will be the digital business cards, the contactless, the additional information about able and the active activity shade. In the lack. And where can people. Get. Early. Access or requests early access for that October launch. Yes I at the moment we've got prelaunch campaign happening right now you can say. You can jump on Papillon Dot Com W. Wire Win Dot Com. And sign up for the VIP white least. Right now. Do. You have lots of people signed up already. We have after will as you're aware, we presented to the Chamber of Commerce as Alpha stored in just over two weeks ago and the reception incentives paying incredible. We've probably had. About of the paper, we've reached fifty percent conversion of sign ups for the White List and awarded the email inquiries coming three foot said the discussion on feathery Mao it's been quite a fun journey actually in that we launched in the local city of Geelong where we're from and and without a get that really great reception from the local business community in in that space. And if from the that was the initial wake, the initial launch and from there with started to say the the list right now we're really scratching heads is to wear these new names and email address is. Coming from like, okay. We could tell that this is the initial launch cluster and we can say that that physicians connected to that one. But Wow, where where were these other people coming from and and just even straight out again. The first couple of weeks if the prelaunch campaign was stunning, say that viral He gained already, which is just fantastic. Yeah and I'm guessing you're getting lots of international requests to which to me the we talked earlier about the will as zoom meetings and the grossing networking in. Online networking in particular through covert and at one of the great things about that I think is everybody's suddenly realizing the I wouldn't connect with people anyway, and we can have these conversations with people around the world and and if you get to talk to somebody in a different part of the world in a different country, different language, different perspectives, it just opens up so many possibilities. Absolutely and it's amazing. How many people just like yourself there are that might not be in direct area that you'd made it a local event but all of a sudden that nation's interest is a thousand similar people scattered around the world more than happy to jump on his. Co. Together. All Right now Tell us a bet some of the challenges you faced in launching a new business in times. When you know we've been kind of looked down and restricted to working from home largely. Now. That's a great one. Will we were actually ready to Keith out prelaunch marketing campaign? Round, the sixteenth of March, this year and just as. Bad Art the go button. As I'm sure is historic many of us out there covid hit came along. And through soul off track and For US Papillon at that time. We. One of the K. messages that we were really really excited about how people could use Papillon to. To go beyond just the APPs to talk to go beyond May in person and. Really Start Cemented Inc these relationships that start off online. But ten to Fistula and we're like well. that. We're actually about to launch with a professionally made video. With a high accident, she walks into the screen and the first words out of a mouth. How great is it to be in a crowded room? Live isn't going to work in a go. Young full of business people connecting networking, and it's like. Gee. It really was great being. crowded. Room. With. The conversation's flowing in the drinks flowing as well. So we immediately had to hit the pause button on that and then came to realize Asian that. Were actually onto a winner, the digital business cards. Absolutely the future we were preparing for these these 235-year transition from paper based business caused the digital business cards net just hit us that in this world of Covid. No one's. Going to want to hand it to take him, you'll pay. From hand to hand the, that's just a Jimmy, a today A. While to me like Oh. Wow. Digital business cards particularly the peppy design where you can just sorta flick it from one to another you one fine is is just going to be phenomenal in the networking environment of the future. But then the next step was. Was Well That's great when we actually are meeting face to face made her and a half apart from each other the lack. But what happens in zoom environments in that way that? Pivot. Towards the kicked connect. Seeing a feature, which was originally just a a a nice to have into the future. All of a sudden became absolutely central to to networking in twenty twenty and beyond. So It's. It's been a bit of a rollercoaster ride that's for sure. Thinking on Oh, it's all over to going. We're on a win to. Just wait if we play play this right and provide business people with the tools that they need in twenty twenty and beyond than than Papillon is set defy yes. That's that was the big gap US soy fortunately waking think of covid is. Being really positive Twist in journey because the relevance of. The solution and bring to market now is is really strong than any other social media platform that exists to enable easy and fast connection when you're meeting online. Take that next step further, which is what pappy I'm was always going to help with anyway is that. For businesses, it's bringing back a chance to make a professional first impression when you connect so. The and that's where the use of A. Business Card to be destroyed case your branding, whatever K- messages that you would attach to. Make it lay elevates that sense of professionalism as opposed to just flicking off A. I'd like to join your network plays except. that. It doesn't signal anything around. The fact that you actually exists your business is something and people don't get to say that in the in the current landscape so. Just to be able to bring everything together from scattered to streamlined and just suicide that as of connecting, get rid of the time, the noise and then. Set people off immediately on a journey to start getting to know each other rather than. Spending, so much time wondering where to start met some. Yeah So I. Guess we're glass half full people when it comes. To covid neck of world. That there has to be a good way to To make the mice to this crazy year. Yes yes. You will certainly certainly has Bena bit of a roller coaster ride for must've us in a Lotta businesses are suffering that a relying on the in-person meeting and in person interactions and you know the transition to online. Amid it's been happening for a long time, but it's been accelerated dramatically now and you sing sing's lock them in the zoom shares gone through the roof of. Had the sense to bossom zoom shares back in March. On. So it's a wonderful thing. Isn't it? They say hindsight's twenty twenty on really show what that's meant mainly. It. That's right so Kobe MB Gurus. or I will this has been wonderful to learn a lot more about. Will come back to the website and where people can find out more a little bit lighter What I'd like to do now is go onto the buzz, which is our innovation round, and it's designed to help our audience who are primarily innovators and ladies in their field with some tips from your experience and are. Now you've had lots of experience background that we haven't spoken about today pre of launching or designing all coming up with Papillon as an idea and building that business. So of got five questions there, and hopefully, you'll grow on all of that experience and give us some really thoughtful answers that'll inspire ellison it gone to something. Awesome today's result. Absolutely, bring it on. What do you think the number one thing is anyone can do to be more innovative. For my liking. I think the critical thing is to. To Exercise Freedom And Freedom really can can come from brought variety of sources. Most notably time and money. I think if you can will money can buy you time. Let let's face it right now you can. Gauge people to help you with the main tasks of getting work on. Until I, forced to another area vom Diane's expertise getting stuff done quickly. But for me to be more. Innovative is you need that time and space mentally to think to explore to dream without that, you will be to nate. In work that really gets you from a to babe does not create. A big vision for the future? Yeah I'll probably refer that just to a little bit. The lease about at dedicating that space dedicating that time and money and nets what's required that even? Even if you look at Google Google from a really early days with sitting aside twenty percent of its employees time just for those innovative projects. Yes. Businesses business. Yes. You have to serve your existing customers and make sure that businesses running smoothly been unless you sitting aside those taught that time and money full innovation innovation just isn't going to happen. It's a IT'S A. Absolute Choice decision every business needs to make and if he don't make that decision than your business is under threat from the innovators from the disruption that will. Know there's a there's a great. Book called the innovators, dilemma goes back. To the. History, and it talks about excavators and. In was two three clearly stages of. Evolution in the excavator industry. Now that doesn't sound very. Innovative to me talking about digging up dirt. That effectively at the innovation that went from Moving that excavators using cables, this is using them with hydraulics There's not a single. Leading worldwide leading excavation company today that existed during the cable era. Say All of these businesses that will worldwide latest before hydraulics all completely abolished because they want focusing on innovation. Yeah Yeah Yeah I love the innovators dilemma to Cry Book and You. Know I lived through the in the early days of our corporate career whereas soda had the dream job because I'm a hobby photographer I lived through the launch, the consumer digital photography, and how does film manufacturers reacted to that from the inside? and. That kind of shape philosophy a little bit. And Yeah, it's interesting. You mentioned Google as an example, another Google they have that twenty percent of H. Employees Time is dedicated to a project of their own choosing and not only that the actually encourage people to leave their desk when they're working on that to go to a different physical environment within the building somewhere and I've got lots of different rooms where people can just plunk their laptop and. Work on said, actually tell them when you when you do your. Twenty percent project go to a different location said actually Mike Spicy associated different spice with the innovation project. That's genius I wonder when we should covid world maybe we should leave. To the electric Yes there is the Disney creativity strategy wave got different spices for the the creativity spices different to the sweat room where you you doing the. Hod Well, not how you doing the the work. As opposed to dreaming up the IDEAS. Absolutely. That that reminds me programs. From Y combinator he's got the maker schedule is the. Creator schedule. And So, many to schedule versus the Mica scheduled in completely different that if the win, you'll running your business and your in that management face than, yes you do have to have lots of meetings and switch from Tostitos task. But when you're in that invited spice, you really abyss to set aside a big block if time three to four hours where you can just focus on on something new and make sure that you're not interrupted by people notifications of Fine Coles or any of those other things. Or I know what's the best thing you've done developed new ideas Yea. Well peppy on journeys coming up to three years. Now also, we have spent a lot of time just to get it to the point it has but saw one of the. Earliest exercises that we did the I found or we both actually we both dedicated almost forty hours straight really by time to sleep. And that was to. Take. Guidance from inexperienced strategic thinker put through what you would call rapid concept workshop where. He he took out visions, authorities thoughts at that point in time is to what Papillon was going to be and Jus- grilled US your growth us on the why the purpose what difference was going to make to the people that would use the platform. Think of it as an inquisition of sorts. Really. I can't tell you how. Powerful that was to shy. Site the course that we have been on ever since that has taken us just from having a great idea that may make some money could help some people here in the to something that. We can really shea. To to exist for the long term to to exist to grow with the market that has been designed to serve. and. That that for my liking. I think was was invaluable and really lends itself to the question. You just asked US prior to that ease that way took the time. To just bought everything else out and just focus on exactly the task at hand the strategy that needed to be shaped to ensure the vision. Attached very strongly to a y. very strongly to a need. is to. Why anyone would want to use papillon and So. Again. If people can allow themselves to. Spend the time and pat some money where we needed. To really think through every corner of what you're looking to create the foundation that sets is just its powerful. Yeah. Now is a fantastic session, very, very intense couple of days. Customers a bit of money that's for sure but it was. It was a great investment and. I believe that bringing in that third potty to consult through that face was just absolutely integral having an external party that that could help us That was bringing the reality tastes to everything. That it wasn't just the two of us in a room. Going crazy brainstorming with ideas those actually a inexperienced consultant that was guiding us through a methodology. And inputting. Litmus test to. To. Harebrained elements of. The idea. Really away from. Amongst yourselves really thinking that you're just amazing to. Was the first real test. To validate AL AL envisions. A love. Love it and we have an exercise which are Kinda us a lighthouse analogy of that, which essentially goes through those sort of steps and then the lighthouse is part of. Or that the metaphor is that that's that's the law that you shining with that consistent message because you've built that foundation of a clear understanding of why you're doing. What it is, you're doing what? Exactly that is what that encompasses who you're doing it for and at a high level what it is you're doing. So. I love that. Yeah And you add. Is that George Somewhat Scheduled on he's he's the one that. Took me. Took me on a journey and helped me discover that lot house metaphor. He uses that in his whole marketing program yeah. Listening to that now seeing that is absolutely brilliant. It's such a great metaphor because it's like once you've got everything. Built. Up then the light can projected out to the world. That's the moment when you've got a story to tell the world. And I K that's that's brilliant and. Yellow element of really left with. Wants wants the lightest projecting out to the world? Then you go to Cape It on. then. You can't be a lighthouse that's only on Opportunity. and because the ships rely on it. And That's so important in business that that you've got to if you do hang out the shingle business. Then you leave it hung out that you not wishy washy about whether it's on or off for whether you are consultant, you're not a consultant or Whatever. You've gotta you've gotta be consistent that this is what we're doing and come to me at any point in time and I'm available to help. Yeah that's right and if you've done that work that you described now getting really clear bag you Y it's the one that keeps driving you even when. You might be the environment is such that it's a little bit more difficult than it might be luckily facing right now in covid times. Right now. Assad from Papillon what's one of the? What's favorite resource of yours? I think. Anything that can make collaboration easy. So. Slack is being a very big part of allies Yeah I like the Google wait his absolutely fantastic loving getting to adopt can be able to collaborate in real time. Probably be a little bit cheeky and say that. The last. Ten years or so I've been building our in. A collaboration platform at its used by a couple of thousand businesses across. Australia and it's a it's like a super powerful version of of trailer. So it's not bad like trailer with. Qods Job Qods bullets within realize that. A lot of collaboration these days doesn't just happen within your own tame, your an organization that goes across organizations. So we. Way Enable a lot of companies to collaborate with with contractors and subcontractors. On on different projects and jobs in the lack can had a lot of success waking franchise dicta. Roadside assistance, which is. roadside assistance facility management, and and the like and And also using our events in hospitality. Businesses. At night sort of a little bit of a drink, your champagne or eight urine. We. What's that one cold? A I see. Now Websites Eko dot systems. Can you have to check that one out to? Okay. Now, what's the best way to keep a project on track? Leaving aside cove. personally my background is. Financial Adviser for the best part of eighteen years and I think the best way to Cape a project or client of on track is to manage expectations from the beginning to ensure that. Every touch point That lades communicating the knicks tip. Cuts out any gray Meta. Enables that person just to simply take stock of way that project is at what the next step requires? And just help them just put that one step forward without out with minimal effort really and I think. Particularly with. Clients. Is if they're being asked to take a next step. Respect them and explain to them why why is your collecting that? That pace of. Information. Why. These that you're asking them to pot waste. X. Amount of dollars and so forth. I think guy, you can always eliminate shock. In terms of way you headed with someone or a project it just makes people much stronger in in working with you to to get to the eventual outcome. It's interesting that sort of a lot like respect you know isn't it that it's like what I'm yergin was saying about those connection requests that people make that if you adjust hitting the the same about all the time and not actually taking the time and if it to to respect other people, then you're not going to get the respect that you want in response that if you actually do take the time in any communications that you. Okay, this is why I'm communicating with you. This is the outcome that both of us can achieve at the end of the day. Then you'll get you'll you'll get a much greater a likelihood of achieving that outcome. So Yang was the best way to keep a project on track. To respect the other people. Yeah comes back to trust I think trust is at the hot. Every successful relationship. Bright certainly. If people think you just taking them for a ride if they think that you're just abusing their time on fairly. That need to create a team to get a job done just will fall apart soy. Yeah I. Love to sitting expectations, lots of communication and respectful communication which comes back to the whole principle. Let peppy on his built on which the human connection and relationships. Yes. Absolutely. It's it really is about having respect for each other. Being mindful and courteous and. Being. There when matters and knowing when to just. Take a step back in and let the other person coming in and take the stage and. And play their part really does come down to. Two working together you know whether it's to get a job done or to make a relationship better at some at the end of the day all these elements work. For the one purpose in that. That's to achieve something and that that something is the purpose of these bringing you together in the first place. Right to focus on the purposes well, that's a big one. Okay and what's the number one thing anyone can do to differentiate themselves? I think pay to really this in his book is zero to one where he talked about creating a monopoly. The, A, lot of people For the sake of simplicity of the lack, choose a business or market insight wearing this market May. In the saddest thing about that is that you end up? Trying to cannibalize each other and becomes a rice to the bottom in the West thing about a race to the bottom just win. A. Say the in the way young pay details. He's fantastic is. One of the foundation invested in facebook and on the board there created Peletier and I think he's part of the paypal mafia that he worked alongside Elon Musk in In the lacking in creating paypal. They effectively, the there I aim is to create a monopoly from day one. Now, if you've got a monopoly that's only got. A hundred clients, but you'll the only choice the the only time if product or service that suits his hundred clients than that is a much better place to start I'm not sure bit a stronger foundation to build upon them being a major company with one hundred, thousand clients because Say That's my two cents on that. Yeah I love that. That's a really key point there, and also when you think about building relationships, you know you've got those hundred clients, your choice you can build much deeper relationships with US hundred clients, and of course. When even when somebody else in comes along Into, that spice and you no longer necessarily monopoly you've already built those really deep relationships. Absolutely and it's so funny. I say the same thing with the mosque in. Tesla, 'cause this one in zooms share price going through test. I think it's tripled in Illinois on. The. Line. It's with twice as much as a the second highest. Comic not think that's because he doesn't see that he's making 'cause he. Sees the Toyota and Ford and A who else is out there that said. These days general miters. Competing on the same platform Tesla is in a completely different spice and it lying in that spice. That's. five ten years away and I think that the share prices reflective in that that what Toyota's got his. Ole if they legacy infrastructure knowle's as legacy systems and processes and all that that are going to be completely defunct in five or ten years whereas in Tesla. Is a perfectly positioned for that future because it doesn't say the market is caused says the market is. Electric has a minimum or the future of human. Transportation. SPINOFFS had come out of that too. Absolutely. Battery Technology, which is applicable in a lot of other areas. Okay. Well, this is Ben Absolutely Fabulous Sonia and Dan of really enjoyed this lynn a lot about papillon on and as being lots of conversation around the buzzer around as well, which is biased on some other experiences that you've got to share with us to really appreciate that now wakened people find out more peppy give us that website again, and also maybe where is the best place to reach out and get in touch and have a conversation if people wanNA take this further. Getting the website is the best place. It provides a comprehensive overview of what Papillon is and what it setting out to achieve the difference it serves to make to people in business. The way is Papillon. Pay Double Pay Y.. O.. N. Dot Com. Can also follow us on instagram handle is Papillon Dot Kerr, and same handle on facebook. So very active on birth those platforms to help educate and bring more awareness as to why papillon. Is. Bringing it solution to the world of people in Business and the difference way hype we can make to them all. Right, thanks for that, and we'll have links in the show starts to those those mentioned sorts. Now do you have any parting advice for Ellison today? I think business should be fun. and. And one thing that's been great about the this world is that it's gone away from suit and tie and everyone sitting around the culprit, a boardroom to literally saying people in Kitchens on Zionism goals with the cats and the dogs running around kids screaming in the background and the REA-. The realization that where. We're actually oh human. End So. From that perspective yes. We try not to work every day to to do job. Bats. Realized that we're doing that job with other people with the people that you're working with the people that that you collaborating with some e clients and yet your partners in the lack. In step step, one should be to treat everyone as individuals as people get to know them as people and then step to it's to help them get jobs done in the most efficient and effective. Manner. If, you can do it in a way that that. Has Fun makes fun is fun than than that makes the world better place for all of us? Yes CAPE. But. Real. Yeah love it have fun. Makes things a lot easier to. Exactly. It's amazing. How often in Business Had Business. In easy business. And Saying how easy business can be at times you really have to scratch your head as to why some people on making it hot. So let's Let's just make it easy on each other. Yes. That's a good message rep up with. So finally, then who's someone I also need to have a conversation with on this podcast and why? had. The. Luck. Recently a founding mental by Paul Chapman who created a company Code Australian ten titles and more. Recently, he is the founder of the Vindicate Invention in Innovation Festival and he's also I believe founder of the Cintas optimism which I think is just proven. A. Pos being around for a few years now and the handed over the operations of he's CO business To his kids but the the knowledge and experience that he's built up in those years of creating and building these business just absolutely fantastic in. And he's just being a joy with the. Pew Information that he shed with this this year so Yeah love to introduce you to pull think he's great. Aren't we'll get an introduction to pole. Yeah. I think you said you were going to give me two for one on you. I have I guess a business associate who has become a friend as many dude in my world because these about building relationships and her name is Veronica Shannon. And she's the founder of a company called Ray Tub. A T. UB. and. They they've been working on transforming. Sustainable packaging for takeaway food particularly and. Now the big element we haven't had a chance to touch on in our conversation today, but sustainability in bringing solutions for world that Tom Protects the environment saw he's really at the heart of a lot of. The decisions that I make in business in life personally and Veronica these really. Making great inroads in into the world of sustainable food packaging and. And so forth. So I'd love to introduce you to our and Let who share his story on. The the grind divisions she has to make the world, a better place and improve. The environment and Protect the planet. So we can hold prosper well into the future and Obviously the next generation which is. Always whatever generation is working. To leave a legacy. Leaves the world a better place and when we came into it. So I'll get the introductions to pull and Veronica Romeo and look forward to having conversations with both of them on the show. Thanks for that and thanks so much for sharing your time and your insights with a sub generously today in the story of Papillon and some of the challenges you've had in in your initial plans for launching this covid world when Covid came along. So all the best for the launch and let's Stein touch. Thank you. It's been absolutely thanks you Oregon. You're an awesome connector and We feel very privileged. Had the tents speak to you today and We'll look forward to getting to know you bitter bitter as time goes on. Wonderful we'll do that. Nine. I. Hope. You enjoyed that delightful and informative conversation with Sonya and Dan and took something away from their episode. Of course I love they focus on genuine human connection and building those human connections through relationships using technology to free time to spend on the human interactions. I'd love to know what you took away from Sonia and Dan's episode. Leave a comment below the blog post which you can find at. INOVA. 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BONUS: Where Did This Coronavirus Originate? Virus Hunters Find Genetic Clues In Bats

Up First

13:01 min | 1 year ago

BONUS: Where Did This Coronavirus Originate? Virus Hunters Find Genetic Clues In Bats

"Hey there up first listeners. And happy Sunday. So here's a question. Where did this corona virus originate the science overwhelmingly points to wildlife specifically bats? Bats harbor some of the toughest known zoonotic diseases diseases spread between animals and people but tracking down. Definitive evidence can take years of scientific detective work. It's called virus hunting so today we're bringing you something special. It's an episode of shortwave. Npr's Daily Science podcast. We'll hear about how virus hunting works and also about the rise of zoonotic diseases. You're listening to shortwave from NPR. Sorry I have an important message. People sent to me. I had to type. Okay please. Wars and rhinos. Everything comes to be very far. They want to answer so matty. This is Dr Linda Wong. I reached him in Singapore. He and his team have been working around the clock to help that country fight this corona virus and he's been interviewed over one hundred times. Bbc Sky News Yuna CNN the in a ABC NPR's morning edition. Dr Linda. Wong is a variety of Duke National University of Singapore. He joins me on skype doctor. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. Whatever that's right and the reason Linda is so sought after right now is because he's a leading expert on emerging zoonotic diseases are diseases hosted an animals that spread to humans right things like lyme disease West Nile and of course diseases caused by emerging corona viruses. Like the one. We're dealing with right now. That's right the CDC estimates that six of Ten infectious diseases in people come from animals. And I know you told shortwave listeners that we would not talk about the Hollywood movie contagion come on Kwong promise is a promise. Okay but hear me out contagion. It's a good framework for talking about where this current Ivars came from the movies also about zoonotic pandemic and it makes brief mention of lymphomas work thirty minutes in in a conversation between two very upset. Cdc OFFICIALS YOU GREW. He tried antibodies and immunological knockout lines. Like we did but the key was a fetal that cell line from Geelong. We didn't have it. Did you hear that line about? You'll bat cells I did. We'll the screenwriters actually referencing. Linda's work with bat borne diseases because after the two thousand three outbreak of SARS which was a brand new corona virus. Then but something we call stars classic or original SARS now yes limbaugh was one of the many people that helped solve the mystery of where. Sars came from tracing it to horseshoe bats in a cave in the Yunan province of China. It was a detective hunt that took a decade sampling. Thousands of horseshoe bats across the country. We're talking about poking around and fresh Guano which is bad poop and seeing if it's genetic match to the virus you have to be there the right time right place you know. Bats are logging. They just give you the bars so we wait you know. We sample their fecal samples Yes the glory of field work and this is the work of virus hunting it actually took scientists ten years to attract SARS to that cave in union. They knew bats were the likely host for the virus but which bats and from where took time and the same thing applies to this corona virus. Were pretty sure bats are the hosts too but how move from bats people will also take time to figure out of course the technology everything is much more advanced some later but I think for us in a try to solve everything in two months. It's just not feasible and also in assigns offset always a liberal lucky is required fire. And I'm emily today on the show virus hunting. What scientists know and don't know about the true origins of this corona virus and why figuring out where it came from so important for preventing future outbreaks. All Right Emily Kwong shortwave. Reporter Animal Lover Unabashed Animal Lover. It's true you and I both know that bats are amazing. That is not up for dispute on shortwave. They're important for pollinating flowers dispersing seeds. They catch bugs. Same ones that bite us. Eat Up some of our crops but bats also harbor some of the toughest known zoonotic diseases. That's right the rabies virus the Marburg virus the Hendra and Nipah viruses. The Abullah virus outbreak in West Africa was traced to a bat colony. All these viruses find what's called a natural reservoir in bats meaning the viruses live in that host without harming it. Do We know why that is? It's a very interesting question. Yes so I used to say it's a million dollar question now as as a billion dollar questions Lynn Foul Wong says it might have to do with the fact that bats are the only mammal. That's adapted for flight because during flight the body temperature goes through like up to off to forty two degrees. That's super high forty. Two degrees Celsius is almost one hundred eight degrees Fahrenheit and their heartbeat goes up to a thousand beats per minute. They're burning a ton of energy flying several hours a day and this creates toxic free radicals that damage their cells but Linda's research has shown that bats have also evolved this ability to repair and minimize that cellular damage. Counterstrike and those same defensive. Abilities may help them not only tolerate flight but also to fight infectious diseases in a way that the human body simply cannot so the have this like super effective immune response rights so while our immune systems can get overwhelmed from fending off these viruses. He thinks bats don't. Our hypothesis is best has evolved a different mechanisms to get the balance right for defense and Torrance and that favors virus to live peacefully with Bass and they're able to safely house these viruses in their bodies and not get sick from them. Got It so. Let's talk about why scientists think this particular corona virus could have come from bats. Well they got a big clue from the start so in early. January Chinese scientists were able to quickly sequence the viruses entire genome and then they published it online from that scientists could begin to study the virus in depth and around this time researchers at Wuhan Institute of Raji in China compared its genome to a library of known viruses right and it found a ninety six percent match with Corona virus samples taken from Horseshoe Bats in Yunan the same kinds of bats that were natural reservoirs for the original SARS virus that broke out in two thousand three and this led them to believe that this new virus likely came from bats to right and from a genetic standpoint a ninety six percent match sounds like a lot but that four percent can make a big difference exactly that that four percent difference is actually a pretty wide distance in Evelyn. Timing it could be even decades. This is Robert Gary. Abor all adjust at Tulane University and while that one paper says there's a ninety six percent match with bats that extra four percent to him suggests some other viral material may have gotten mixed in from animal and that other animal could have even transmitted the virus to humans right. This is called an intermediate host or an inbetween host correct. But when it comes to this corona virus scientists aren't sure if there was an intermediate host between bats and humans and if so they're not sure what the intermediate host could be. There are theories Robert and fellow. Researchers have hypothesized. This corus could be a blend of viruses from two different animals bats and something else. An early scientific studies suggest it could be this animal called a penguin. This scaly ant eater vulnerable to illegal wildlife trade virus pangolins or some other animal that has a similar receptor binding domain so to viruses getting together recombining to make avenue SARS Kogi too but the important point all this is that virus hunters haven't come to a definitive closure about the chain of transmission from animals to humans about the involvement of pangolins and baths or any other host animal. Not on the level of proof. They need right at the genetic level. Yes we don't know definitively which animal or animals this came from. It will take time to figure out but we do know. This came from animals a bunch of scientists in mid-february published this big letter in the Journal. Lancet saying evidence overwhelmingly points to wildlife the origin for this corona virus. And Roberts stands by that too. I can tell you that this a product of nature. It's not a Virus that has arisen in the laboratory by any scientists purposely initiating something that that was then released to the public. That just didn't happen. Because if you look at the actual genome which Robert has done the evidence. Isn't there so you said earlier. While speaking to the researcher in Singapore that it took a decade to find out the actual origin of the virus that causes SARS the original SARS. Do we know how long it could take to figure out where this new corona virus came from. Oh Mattie I wish I had an answer for you. We don't it all depends on funding and resources. Doesn't it all and time? I keep saying throughout this whole episode investment in virus hunting right expanding the zoonotic studies to figure out the transmission chain between animals and people because if we know that we are armed with information that can help us prevent future outbreaks. Peter Dawe Shock. He's the president of the US based on profit EKO health alliance and he says that even if bats are the likely origin they are not to blame. It's no but's it's us. It's and what we do to Bass that drives this. Pandemic risks like wildlife trade and Food and agriculture practices or are close proximity to animals in densely populated areas. Posted things about funding. That we're actually behind these pandemics that gives the power to do something about it We don't need to get rid about. We don't need to do anything with DOTS. We've just gonNA leave them alone. Let me get on doing the good. They do flipping around at night and we will not catch the viruses. The two thousand three SARS outbreak may have taken the world by surprise but a of this proportion was anticipated by scientists. Oh Yeah for sure. I mean the way that the I went to school with kind of talked about it was like it's not an if it's a win. Yeah that's really interesting. Given that infectious diseases including those from animals have been on the rise for decades Lindvall Wong. The just in Singapore is actually kind of heartbroken by the fact that countries around the world failed to understand the impact. This would have early on on so angry right now because I said that this Kobe. Nineteen outbreak before January twentieth. It's the Chinese fort in a Chinese government Chinese Authority whatever but after January twentieth but rushed. The road is still not taking seriously right. You know our politics system olive diplomatically. System and Allah whatever international relations system is just not ready January twentieth win. Chinese health officials confirmed new. Corona virus could be transmitted and it's when the World Health Organization kicked into high gear to evaluate the global risk. At that point there were more than two hundred cases. And we're now over three and a half million cases worldwide. All Right Emily I appreciate you. Thank you reporting this out. This episode was produced by Brit. Hanson edited by the way in fact checked by Emily von. I'm your host. I'm here reporter. Emily thanks for listening to shortwave from. Npr that was shortwave. Npr's Daily Science. Podcast you can find new episodes Monday through Friday. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. I'm David Green. This is up first and we'll be back tomorrow with all the news you need to know.

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Talkin Hallowheart (Cities of Sigmar) - Age of Sigmar

AoS Coach

1:58:25 hr | 1 year ago

Talkin Hallowheart (Cities of Sigmar) - Age of Sigmar

"Get I I let gentlemen boys and Girls Shooter. All Ages. Welcome back to talking series. It is the Coachee as always and I have a pretty special guest. He'll we are talking. All things magical supremacy in the city to seek it is hello hot and I'll be talking with blackwell. Clock clock is a world renowned. Well at least Australia announced would be rove around when the ATC. Kinda kicks off by Michael's incredibly well with the cities of seek. Ma came seventh at Cancun Palo hot. He has dominated people and Jay. Ed He has a very good player so I thought there was no better person to bring in and talk about the cities of seek Ma and Hello Heart Michael. Hello Hi catch. Thanks very vitamin E. onto the show. Matt how do we go with the introduction? That was fine it's Yeah Yeah now thanks. For pointing out a couple of better performances have had out. There took a while to build up to that. My first couple of tournaments bidding barrasso in terms of the overall performance. Bit Practice makes perfect and the last few adding of of K and I'm pretty sure the well now you're by now if the would have happened STRALIA would've dominated yourself lamb big. Would you guys were the crush? It but I'm really excited to talk to you about cities of seek must specifically. Hallo hot because you and I talked a lot and waiting. List checking in preparation for can con- and post-cancun. We kind of collaborated a lot shared ideas and I had some very different ideas on how we build at least a lot of commonalities. You've done very well with your list. You've stuck with Hallo hot sir. I really want to kind of dig in and understand how you build Hallo hot. What are the strengths of the army expulsion list? That you've kind of pulled together and kind of like stop putting it all together. It's like you know what would it look like if you elect magic L. playoff if it's human kind of play around with that has itself ABS- absolutely and I think John Hearts really attractive in? It can service so many different play styles and as you noted coach. We've we've chatted before and you've you've done a different place Dalton for Holler hot when you brought it to the table to what I've done and we've also success at tournaments in the ACI with yet further styles A very flexible obvi- CDs itself is very flexible but Holler hot. I feel is text. That flexibility. In what you can do with it to another level as well. Yeah and if anyone who watched this series in the Pasta would know by now. There is no one silver list. It's not like we're going to tell you the single list that's going to dominate and bring world supremacy. You'll gaming table. They are variance of it but the purpose is really to kind of look at the rule. Step at understand what? Hallo highs all about an infant that had been optimizing. Bring your favorite models into this. And then that's another Ki as well right you know. I'M NOT Really Big Elf playoff so I want to bring him to many of the L. Fluffy sorceress. But for someone. Who's WHO's an elk player. They want to build a rep that style. So it's pretty cool you can cut if bring your flair and kind of bring your army to the table. Wade is going to show you some of the pilots. You can take to get there. I I also love that aspect of CDs as well you can really let your education non walled with conversions. And we'll get later in the show a couple of days straight to let me ask you. How did you get into to warm up? And then what drew you to this particular walk? So why am I study at? I picked up a of blood set back in all in the dying days of Fantasy. Battle and really. That was around the Hubby Sada. I just wanted to paint miniatures as a bit of a relaxation of that and then got parked and do put it away move back to Geelong a few years ago. I was odd moved from Melbourne to Brisbane than back to Geelong Native craftsman. Your social circles made some new people and I sort of had a look at Somewhat starting up a Age Of Sigma Choose Denard Event. So the local crew. There was coal at for players to start. A new games not When along to the second OUGHTA mischievous not aware clashing on the Second Waco along there and made a few guys who seemed like really great guys and locked by better friends with those made a few you people and stop building up from there. Basically I took the olive blood set their heads Classy Kyle Stuff from from the old world started painting that up and started playing with that as mixed order to learn the game and basically it's developed up from there as a hobby. At the moment I actually have full full Lamis Hollow Ten thousand points of mixed order mostly CDs stuff Five thousand points Zetsche four thousand points of Fiqh and About three thousand points of more tribes of expanded the hobby quite significantly but something keeps. Bring me back to mixed order. All mixed ordinary is is embodied in CDs OF CIGNA. Say it's yet really started out on the heavy side. And then made a good crew in the Jalaun crew and started playing games with them and yeah that's normal crew in in Geelong it's an absolutely fantastic saying damage along. We got Chattanooga Jalaun Curry Couple of couple names. You WanNa Kinda give it a shot to show. You'll get raped because you didn't name everybody off. Coley to take loves you all the love your your eyes and I can't wait for corona virus. Luck tend to be. I went back to Tuesday nights and now every second Saturday. Not a mush it to for a guy me here. That's the way and you know. Seek ball is such an awesome. You know it puts you in the mortal realms. It's probably the first book that really truly puts you somewhere in the motor bells. It has so much convergence but you need Series heaps of people attacking the on twitter and instagram sending private messages. Just showing off the Carlson ideas of where they're always in the middle rounds and what they've done to kind of convince that so. It's exciting opportunity. And I'm all about the wizards. I always have been at the wizards which is why the very first army that Iran undecisive seek mall. Hell even the five stall which is the the The pre time to this I was running. Hallo hot Used to get like plus wanted to unbiased was rather hot. Garbage back then. I'm all about the wizards. So they showed to me. Is going to be brilliant? So you talked about what so I think the firestone musical point I actually was a hall of Hot Playa as Firestone for at least three tournaments Three pretty significant tournaments as well so there was something about the backstory the Lord the combat he could do and like you said the rose at the time in foster would pretty underpowered. His faction rules. It was not necessarily about picking power lists but F- and then the day that CDs of segment dropped in flicked straight to the the faction ability the CD ability for Holler hot. It was like well I now have. I talked to your Avi to fly. It's GonNa be fun in in your ride. I mean famously mentioned a few times on my channel that I had bought two thousand points of Silva. Thi- bill to the data I picked up. The book was the day that cities of seek ball was announced at. I think it was no Said that whole thing is on the back shelf? But Luckily for me like you Gillian points of CDs of Sigmar. Another something that you're very proud of is you and I were part of that phenomena. Cancun which is the world's largest Mar Vent Tho- coolest army so And you had an awesome display boards. You had a lot of conversions Want you'll story what you'll how it so hot. Generally has an Elf thing though race we also applied with a bit of dwarves in there as well and even aware of us to humans like Fray Guild of tended to find Elf standing convertible models. That would work better To keep it all in that. Same thing as you said the We we both got nominated at Cancun for coolest army and that was that was my objective. I can't go on a witty. The Games was was bonuses as well but I was really going forward and Mob Bid for to get into that short-list coolest mean it was very much by strategies models. His on the left is my converted. How're CANHAM and on the right is my Luma knock and took by today's in the list of Cancun chat about those that tactically lighter on but yeah I had division firstly for The Lumina with the two biggest lies is on it and and I. I almost can't believe a managed to pull it off. I am so proud of this model and what I put together. It's must be bad. Five hundred dollar motorway. Yup It's that I had to scrape together to put kids to put it together but it's Yet super proud of it. I really stretched my hobby. Saw To to get that out there. Then I had to make a Brother for him a brother Dragon Dragon. Magic tick thing in the in the hurricane him to to match on the on the left. It's pretty neat. And I think that's the cool thing like when I look at my Hurricana M- I I built another one. And I'm using this. The solicit prime swirl around a hundred and fifty dollar wattle. I've got Danny Chris pulling at one hundred bucks but when you look at the army it's well worth two conversions and our after your yard was right Thanks that's always yours was credible. And the display board with the rats coming in under the suicide is something something else the I think a point you might early. You can play CDs either as Kinda thematically. Es Humans as elves or as wolves. But there's so much potential that you don't have two years. I was models. You can build it around one of the things that was kind of drive me to make those two conversions beyond. Kinda Vision Whiz well. I'm quite an L. famed force. And the classic out of the box models for those two things era don't fit a high off like look and feel and styles are needed to make something that was more l. fee in themes elves riding dry. Elf Arch Wizard riding a dragon with two big ASS. Licensed yet the elder rather than some human cop will retain out styles. Kick you off the stream and I'll just talk myself so I'm just GONNA Lightly pivot and ask you to bring up their roles in a second but what are the strengths of Hallo hot? You find a new play playoff. And I haven't played. Palo hot or maybe I'll be dabbling. What are the strengths that they bring to the table? So the one I want to of it is firstly they tapping two CDs with an extraordinary range of options in your toolkit to build an list around as parenting city bit hollow hot specifically is about the magic it's it could be probably the most powerful magic costing faction in the game. We've getting very large bonuses. If you're all right to you costing then you could control your opponents magic barrage cattering you by ignoring One-third of their spells with h five brawl. You can ignore this bills. So that's the core concept that you control the magic. As you're you're the masters of magic and I think Holler hot. They contend with a few others I contend with Saraf on with load Kurkin and maybe an a gash style list and of of course ventures thematically their arch enemy in the fluff. But yeah between those four lists that this is the order version of of powerful magic. If you WANNA play with wizards casting fireballs then and this is where you come yeah I think the interesting thing. We've hello hot and you start seeing these for the first time where people stop building they list. Is they go all in on the magic and while magic supremacy in Palo Hot Israeli stroll can cost on a plus eight At the same time it's a trap and if you put all of your eggs in one basket you quickly realize you have enough money on the table. You can be claiming the AIDS and is only so much. A bunch of wizards can do to win a game. So far I think you and I and a couple of the hello Told with there is fine balance of tapping into the medical permanency. But not putting too many points in that you lose that on bodies you lose that AL combat album. That's that's exactly right. You could take the the bonuses to fire and and it sometimes gets temping because you got all. I could get a knock. You point to cast wizard with powerful spells. I could show like shove another one of those in the list and all I could get my bonuses with empowered Power outage endless spells. Oh that looks even better. We'll get to that as well. But you can end up spitting Vesti exactly too many points and you really need a balanced that trait magic as one of the. I think one of your other guests talk about that three places of power concept or three ox in your three different threats. You need in your list and magic has to be one of the threats but if you end up putting twelve fifteen hundred points into magic with all the tricks. That's that's too much you not leaving enough. Flexibility of the wizards are expensive. Endless bills are expensive so quickly you can quickly get up to like twelve hundred thirteen hundred points by by by going down this route and then eight hundred points of bodies you're GonNa get slammed by Very first game with with hello hot I put a of I played locally games workshop. Just to have fun with my mates and I put a lot of eggs in the visit basket so to try the magic of privacy. But then I'll go to charge. Watch a Mole Crawshaw Fifteen piggies and there was nothing I could do. And we've got a lot of turn one charging we've got the tribes with the starting holds can do that There are there are ways you can get tear. Gosh there's so many things that is very dangerous and if you don't get a turn to put on your your spells and your boss saying your abilities that collapses Yep not only that I think magic is inherently Dallas game so even with the big bonuses we can get in Holler hot. It's you stealing random territory and you still in a single dos role you know. You're not diversify your risk ever sixty roles way white guys reduces you You Standard Aviation of rawls and you can become statistically reliable where to dos on costs can still flop and frankly almost every game that I've lost not every but vast majority of the games that have lost running holler. Hot is whatever out double one for a case bell that I really needed to get off yet. Plenty of times where. Roll the double one or two or three. Plus Two Plus Three D. costs on men ability and sealing. It gives me like a five or six and then again. I'm buying I'm buying and that's the danger. If you only non magic and you really need that one spell basically list and this age of sigma generally if your relied on a random role a three plus prayer to go off or a six plus spelled go off with. Boxton bonuses enrolls. It's inevitable in that clutch my You'RE GONNA flop it all the DOS will retry years. That's what does do you got to diversify that risk. So you not as reliant on it and traded as a bonus an awesome and an offshoot go off but factor to high too heavily investing into the magic. So Michael. What I might want to do is just look at some of the abilities that you can get from CDs of seek Ma and then. Hallo hot and I'd love your expert opinion being held harp player. Who's done very well in the scene to explain to me what the rule is but how you tapping to a what's the benefit to you as. Hallo hot so when I look at some of the things I won't we code that is eastern powered by the Realm. So you'll you'll spills a In the spells are empowered. They're all of. Your malign sorcery spells. Not Your Forbidden Palace bills. The basically if as citizens seek my wasted cost angle spell and it has one of those abilities so empowered by Actio Shimon Oga Basically they get better so at a higher level. What does that? What does that mean to you? Hell Hop Leo. So of all the CDs Holler hot get the the best bonus out of this. So firstly most analysts spells Somewhat expendable the good endless bells are somewhat expensive so getting your bonuses to cast is going to get that Seven plus Jimmy Vogel off secondly I real. The empowered obviously gives greatest energy most. They spells a better versions of of the textbook spell. Inevitably Jim continue that. Example Holocaust ballots pretty incredible spell that. That's a bit of a base of Swiss. You're getting the extra bonus of dealing even more reliable damage with them With the empowered vision. So Naw Synergy there then. Finally gang continuing Germany. The example predatory spells can sometimes backfire. There a double edged sword in in the thing in the in the game. And if you lose control live a predatory spell it could backfire and come back onto you and with Holler hot. You get by SL on five up to just ignore that a gym needs all that Purple Son. That just comes back over you and show five apps not guaranteed but I'd rather at least have a five up chance a one third chance to ignore a A Jimmy needs effect then than have to face it naked gas as we're talking a little bit about the Hallo hot rules that will get twitter minute but essentially what I'm hearing is that you'll endless bills. Get a little bit better. You don't have to pay for so shackles can be set up a little bit. Further will still doesn't have to worry that the range check the wall. Scroll they just a little bit better so yeah. It's all screen bridge. Which will talk about that has a longer range to give you a very significant threat range. Jim Needs is is also the other aspect around spells that that is a bit. More subtle is for most wizards. You're facing a A triple choice. You've got your your baseline spell in on a wall skull which is usually pretty good. You've got a faction spell faction spell which most factions get some sort of ability in the peak spell for their wizard. And usually you pick the best one or the one. That's going to work tactically. Then if you add an endless spelling as well so you don't get Most wizards can cast one spell. And Okay do I cast my endless Bodo. I cast my war-scarred fellow to cast factions Bill. One of the awesome things bad Holler hot We'll get to that. Is You get a bonus spell to cast? Which makes that ability to cast. The endless spell doesn't cost you not being out of cash really good war-scarred spell as well. There's a lot of redundancy with bill costing So let let's quickly get to the Heller hunt roles. You signed to ruining Christmas. We haven't got to the Basically spells at good. Hello hot is locked into the realm of actually which means essentially you can only choose Audifax from actually Before moving to the other great new is just want to clarify something. I said earlier. That is wrong. That is These abilities amplify Sary's does impact the impact spills as well. So it's forbidden. Power and the malign sorcery. What you're looking for is the empowered by actually Shimon. You're looking for that on the wall. Scroll so Just fixing up something that I said that I've just quickly realized my brain was connected to my mouth You've got the Britain. You basically means that if your general features your general and it has six windchill less You pick one friendly unit that has That can be retinue of the unit Can only be five to twenty models so anything above twenty models copy of virtue and essentially. What's going to happen? Easy could roll the dice. Every time to general takes a window immortal wound if in three inches of retinue on a full plus they can pass it off to the unit instead so Hadas Apple Lot probably the specific wide applause. He should take slightly more squishy. Model as your general Say sorceress or a batum age. Which is usually pretty squishy. Five word model with real. Save if you put them near bodyguard and and use the lawyer shields role you could pass off that way and I become a bit more survivable to to stay in the game. One of the ones of age of Sigma generally is killer. Support Heroes So your pilots are GonNa be gunning for any squishy. Five wound Lama save support here are harding in India backline and yet if they If peaked battle Mijo sorceress to to get the advantage of the extra spell casting in Holland. Hot You can. You can add them as you general here and and make most of all. Yes if you take. The Howard Condom Alumina corre sorceress. On Black Dragon. They have more than six volumes to. They're not going to be a part of that. But take as mentioned Madam Age Associates. A nineteen cancel from storm cost taking postle modal words Which is also yeah. There's a few other variants of that which will get where we get to my list. The benefits as well when you take a non wizard here are locked the anointed all the room board. And that's my I take the anointed on foot looks the ratio if you take a small of troop learning week at lookout. So for the modest. What hit by. You'll also Yueyang Apostle modal words. If there is on the other advantage of this again in the more subtle game players you would tend to Cape Foot. Here are then with the core of your army together which means that if they have useful Camman traits command abilities that that act as energy. They they could trigger it over. The core of your army. Wear something like sorceress on Black Dragon oil or a FRAGO General Griffin. You might have sent off on to to take the flank or something like that so if you've given them a useful ability that would senior jaws with your army. Well definitely put it on the small foot here. That's going to stay with the CORIO army. Put your general as you foot here. And you get the benefit of this extra burners protection. Yeah not only that but you know the other benefit is going to be these rural cold wise counsel way. Basically the side of the heroes face if your generals within three inches of the adjudicates adjutant any on how you want to say that You roll dies on an awful plus you get an extra command point so which is super fascinating as well. Yeah and generally Tenant because I stuff up a Jew to J. Tint whatever lieutenant the yeah this gives you an incentive to take two of Small Heroes Cape Together Cape them neither knew what it does require a is however to be carefully thinking in your deployment phase okay. Where's my written you GonNa go? Is that way. Do I want my general go? And where do I want the lieutenant slash adjacent to go To get the buffs that GonNa Costal or they come on ability so come on so they can cost so you have to really be careful with your deployment. He 'cause three inch Ryan juice is no very far pot. You need them together and Yeah that several times of Miss deployed and forgotten about it and and end up regretting it so really forces you to think ahead and I think that's one of the things in general with Holler heart you you have to. It's a complex army complex list to play. And you have to really think ahead on these these got things and maybe takes notes down through deployment phase whatever to remind yourself a Coyote Cape those three aspects of Miami together and I needed work. Well together I think the cool thing. Fallow huck sees though is wise counsel at Council in my opinion is easier to do and the reason it's easy to do is when you start looking at the battalion that we have which is a very strobe Italian it rewards you for having to visits next week Jello so if you have a double battle major source in a battle may joe how it would the combination you might have not only you're gonNA get the Talian benefit but you'll also get the the Wise counsels well so that for me is stronger in Hallo hot and it easy other CDs holiday even beyond the battalion even the Cain channel ability which I think will jump through pretty soon is is It encourages you to stick together with those overlapping kind of buffer Blas we've got is. The storm came so four of your unit selections can be still cost turtles These doesn't count as your allies. It is just basically GONNA be choosing stole costs unit. Put it in your army. They gain the cities of seek Ma and the hello hockey. Would as well so. That's obviously replicable. Across all of the cities but the example of of how hot that nine Canto for example becomes a Hallo hot wasted. Michael What does it mean if we're bringing us all cost into this army? Yeah we'll we'll probably get to those faction abilities. But the this don't wizards get the faction CDs bonuses Bonuses so that. Become more powerful versions of themselves as wizards The other one I think to think about with with Holler hot as a fund list as abby solicitor the Star Trek The strike ads bonuses to cost for other stone cast wizards as well as negatives to your opponents casting so to reinforce that kind of magic supremacy as well as giving you a tank unit Assad Reich actually works pretty well as as one of your Storm CAST units into cities. Probably not the most hyper competitive version of of Holler hop. But it's I to apply. That has a nozzle. Cg In it yeah bringing out condoms you can bring the Lord Aquilla this survey Cool Lamis in any. Just do whatever you want with it and at least since some days that not in. Canto is the quantitative run cutting jumps into you access to the storm cost. The commented at the has the order on wants to once a game absolutely. But the look on an opponent's face if If you've got the Lord economy combined with the Star Drake he finally takes style right down to start building the so-called unkillable star drake mode. Which if anyone's interests I google search on it. I won't go through that tactic but They finally kill the Dodd Reich. And then You YOU LAW DOT com. Click his fingers and it comes back alive with one wound. And then you wrote into your Magic as a key and healed up Fidesi six and the damn things all of a sudden city on five or six words again in uncurable mode while also given that kind of magic supremacy energy again in June but qualified apply. That's a pretty pretty scary idea. So that's that's what you get for being CDs of seek Ma and then when we go that one step further and choose our allegiance to Hallo hot couple of other things you can get one before the see comes from actually which means you must choose The spell spells the artifacts from allied sorcery from She's from any other rail. You're landlocked to actually you. Then get this row cold eldrick. Achievement said basically each time a friendly hello? Hot Unit is affected by spell or an endless spill. You can roll. It is on a five plus you get the fix that spill or will spell to that unit so we already talked about this the before you definitely takes the edge off having your predatory endless bells. Rayban on you or if your opponent is an aggressive. Kosta logs inch You could definitely take the edge off them not only. Do you inherently have a lot of unbiased anyway. Because you've got lots of wizards if you playing these factions so you take the edge off. He's costing Veyron bonding a few of them and take the edge off of how much does by ignoring one third of them. Agai N cash stall listed. That's trying to shoot a machine gun of I came boats at you. You're ignoring one. Third of them. It's it's quite effective. I think he's a little bit situational because across the I roll. Meta majority of spells nodal but majority Generally buff type spells rather than aggressive talks spells it. Suddenly some factions generally use hardcore aggressive magic. So sometimes you'll find your barely even use this Even if the opponent has aggressive magic for example FEC fit could be built quite strongly round of magic taught build with a lot of bonuses but bicycle bells buff spells which this has no no use in mitigating. We'll there is there. There's a very critical word in that sentence. That says you can roll the dice so if you try to buff. Try to put like a mistake. She'll or I'll you try to put some type of buff onto your units. You don't have to roll five plus on your own spell. It is an optional thing. I know there are some units in the game. I believe the storm Cost Unit for memory that you must roll. Even if you try mistake shield your immune it but this is optional. Full our players a coup point coach just just for wedding so if you like our next one got the hello hot. We can cost an extra spell on in each of the hero phases. This is really powerful. You've basically double the effectiveness of wizards like or smoke. Cast a single cost. Ninety point battle manages all sources All of a sudden become to Costa's would be the changes to cast in the game and I have access to quite effective spells and CG's Kostov over and above the other abilities like this one in my mind is ability that makes hot competitive and good the other ones. But really doubling the effectiveness of you single cosmic ages big out of Cossio endless spells and your good factions bells or you'll good will spell is is really powerful as well as that is if you've got three thrill full. Costa's in your list and and that would generally gonNA land if you're playing this on balance like as as coach said early you could go all in here and end up with twelve fifteen spells but you probably going to balance it at at Th Royal forecast is six or eight spells. You gotTa over well your partner ability to. It's forcing them to guy I've got three. I'm balancing my list. Which of these three nasty spells GonNa Reserve my blind attempts full? Which made you get laced site. Five freight costs Make sure you use that tactically to get take advantage of the fray testing that you're inevitably getting. Yeah I got one. I got up to eleven costs I may have gotten to thirty Twelve cost with Cox Not Coax I'm certain Regattas able night when I was at eleven spills in one particular game it was white too many Iran. I found out that I was I was running. I had run out of good spills to cost in the rot situations while I could do damage when it to seven spell eight. I was doing rubbish so really that seven to nine sweet spot. Yeah seventy nine is not sweet spot. That I think that's right you end up with inefficient you just costing the whatever spells a bullshit mystique shield or an came ball. Doesn't actually change the guy at best if you don't outright just run out of spells to cost even with sometimes your average in turn one in particular you can't actually effectively cost you shorter-range spells and before we went to law stipulates. I will say what's really cool for me is. I would take a lot of redundancy so there was some spills. I really really wanted. Ignite weapons for example is one that I really wanted by having double Costa's it meant that I could have at least two if not three. Ignite weapons doesn't mean. I could cost three weapons turn but at Mainz choose which is the right way to cast at the right time and that was really powerful a absolutely and yet painted on another role senior joys is in here that hot. We get to pick two of their factions spells. Not just one so you get a lot of flexibility and you could build redundancy and I think it's actually quite important to build redundancy into any list that the synergies based on a five wind model with With no amish save or six five. It's GonNa die. I'M GONNA talk. I are going to die so you need to have some degree redundancy in the game to be out to get some some NAS pops up on the funnel one. We'll talk about and we have already alerted to these. Cain channeling you could use command ability to study a hero phase if you do so people unfriendly in a halo hot wizard here and Roller dos. That was it stuff as a a number of mobile equal to that role in addition until the study. Our next hero phase. You add that Ralph to the costing roll made by friendly. Hello Hot Wizards. While within twelve of that we sit nap before mine explain something I will call that. Israel has been queued. So we'll talk about the fake version but do go check out games workshop's Faq's to see what we get to talk about. He sorry so probably probably first off where this world first came out. It was eye watering Lee. Good and we'll talk grab the fact. It was sauce to hell like yeah I was actually Kinda starting to prepare my My victory speech for winning Canco unlike a powerful that that you could expect to to dominate the heat in the role as written on the page. Before we get to. The fact is twofold one you could. You could ignore those rows. Ignore those mortar wounds that you take so for example you offer. Mashpee and we'll get to the artifacts but just to avoid confusion. Maybe we'll talk the probably enjoy. Yeah so the tonight version of it is. You cannot or if you ignore any of those mortar words. For example you pass them off with the honored retinue or next skylight so any other thing that he knows the motives. Then you don't get the baroness only get the bonus for the number of you. You'll visit actually suffers the the constraint that that crates is the risk of your little five waned wizards basically you if you use Arcane Channel. Euro five or six. They instantly blow the head off Channeling that magic so it's death which I get a craving if you're desperate yeah you You can put your channel on them. If you absolutely need a role the DOS to win the game to take the gamble. Sure door. But you don't want to be doing that to one or two and blowing you. Is it up the second aspect that got NERF. They're out of this. Is You can only do it once so you can only spend the command point once per here FIS rather than as written technically Multiple Times. That of course now makes risky. You spend I precious. Come point and your Rolla one get a grand total of one t a bonus to cast shaw better than non but Cost you a command point. And it doesn't bring your reliability statistical reliability level up high enough to make sure you get those seven six seven plus spells off in that cannot be on band so it becomes a little bit little bit. Sweeney if you only get a small role on your can't channel and then you flood a a trick rawal or three old on a case bell and you get band so let me. Let me break down the process for everyone so started star of the hero phase. I'm GONNA DO Arcane channelling an. I roll the dice. Now let's say I'm GonNa do my Hurricana Myrow COD so. There's no there's no immortal words say so. I roll the dice. A roller dies as a full now. My heart ECONOM- doesn't get off for the cost because it's early the other reasons within twelve inches that get the plus four now that our economy if I roll full is GonNa take full mortal wounds if I had eight next scales. Which ignores mortal wounds four plus? It's the total damage that takes if I if I save two of those four words. It means I'm only getting a plus to even though I roll the full so it's based on the damage that the Hurricana received When I do it with our economy I would opt to not take four up. But what you could also do Ejido condemn. He'll it so you can. You can take the damage and then you something like Emerald blocks full There is a native healing spell in. Hallo hot that can inhale up those forwards idea. I can things yes. Yeah it's it gets complex and you have to be very careful how you do it because it begins the fact what one thing to note and I'm not a hundred percent. Sure over ninety five percents show I think ige next skies you must use it for any mortal wound so you cannot taking next cat us that you can't use that trick to catch you get to too high otherwise you'd be able to check the guys Rules lawyers who are watching this if I have to do ignore scales than straight up you're only going to get Hoffa those that thus role potentially unity shins a CPA cost. You say the cool thing is is that I've got my costs up to like a plus six plus seven plus eight a really high cost. You know you soul-searching plus to cost. The economy is plus one of the cost. I get up to plus the arcane channeling box it also gonNA be a plus one which is a lot and individuality Israel. Also this way. The trap comes in net. It's really really really Straw. You put too many eggs in the Heller Hot Boston. You're not gonNA have a lot a lot left to to screen to climb objectives to handling combat and you and I think the And you're you've already started it. This ability drives a an essential. This choice you have to have a high wind wizard to take the hit to use this ability So that in the book Mangy of Eight got our Canham Lumina the sorceress on dragon or the battle Mijo Griffin frankly better Mijo Griffin's pretty average authorised sorceress. Steering can maybe Weck but no idea. It's really if you're running. A pure duckling coffin. Yes black dragons. Good anyone else now and Dockland covered itself. Yeah Yeah it's hard to make that super competitive so really draws elise choice that you need one of the Lumina or hurricane all both and I actually took Took both To Cancun where Magara I think you just took to power keenum and chat through benefit both those as we get to this stage so really that instantly sinks two hundred ninety two hundred ninety points instantly into list and it starts to drive your lease construction that you need a peak one of those two. Is The court usability now? Luckily I become to Kostas themselves and therefore look quite efficient and and get obscene energy from the other hot rules and both of them bofill magic phase one way or another anyway the hurricane of buffs your spell casting even further in the high luminosity gives you greater control. Bought buffing your defensive magic. You're I'm bonding before I bring up your list markle and we talk a little bit about the construction inputting everything. We've just talked about inter practice. I'm getting some questions in the chat that I think is really relevant and topical right now and nineties people at furious about Of hot but how does it stack up to Alexis? Sarah Vaughan you'll you'll law to change his His because Sarah Fund currently is dominating when you look at table laid off We're seeing the stop all and low Croak really really dominating times against that list And I got my butt handed to me. Both those games We definitely an experience that you have. You know you're learning and you try to understand it or he just finding that dangerous do it better than us. Yeah I think it's the first guy definitely chalked up to. I had no idea what it did in huge mistakes and with the by plying with apply in the spirit of all learning how to do it so it wasn't a competitive cutthroat guy. The second wide eyed rosty made a few mistakes but he played a he could stuff my magic Dan. Luckily at an Akane in his deployments a creek he's unlimited Ryan biness with I think plus Rayo plus four and he could just shut my magic. Dan totally with four. I'm bonds and and you can call. How can survive not getting all your spells off like if only half you spells off a guy is still in the guy man and competitive but if all of them get shot down to three the poor dos. Rawling all or your partner stuffy at you do start to push up hill a little bit a little bit there. Look look if you get a really good role with match the Arcane Channeling and you've got to knoxville awesome. You will be able to eventually. You will be able to dominate magic bought. Would I say they go to? I think But at the same time Sarah. Fun is probably all in on the magic. If you're building stop on Cork not talking about the coalesced if you're going stop on court and this is the on Shirt. I think you can go tar tone. I think things like the luminous this tool that you have that will help us as a it's one of my toughest match-ups while it's tough matchups. It's not I order lose. I actually think it's going to be a balanced fifty fifty that will ultimately come down to apply a skill. And it'd be lock on the DOS. Which which is what. Games do If you against a top playa applying a A optimized Sarafin Kirk Lists. We can't win it. It's not a give a walk away from the Thai Blair's there's pathways to victory. It just won't be an easy win so one I brought up is as you're very kind to me because there are lots of different ways to build this list and you've given me three different examples and what you've what the Australian here is a coal false you of building around and then you've taken three different variety so maybe we'll start with the umbrella and that is your coal wall so I can see you've got a Hurricana or aluminum you've got one that'll make or sorceress. Assistance of th- own Thirty Phoenix God. Who's coming in about nine hundred and eighty points Why is he still core? Talk me through each decision. So let's start off with our economy of aluminum. Yeah so I think we've already talked a bit about the economy and Mac the Arcane Channel Basically Forces. You have to take one of those to the end. It's actually a really tough choice. I think most players default Howard condom and probably default a little bit more to the Hurricana than Lumina knock but only by smidgen the Lumina Kaz in my mind. I Better Scroll spelling. Fires Protection For the price doll put Foss Protection on Phoenix. God and they get the modest one to hit. That's a pretty significant defensive buff on top of it. Six up would save the other thing. I like about the Lumina. Ke- things about the looming over the hurricane. Is it six up five or no damage? Save effectively adds to extra wounds to it. So Look Hurricanes in eleven wearing D'Amato says menaka living where model but with the wards save or the statistically becomes a thirteen wind motto may not sound like much but those two statistical extra wounds. When you're you're getting blasted in the early game by long-range magic or a Along I missile fired from carriage drawn or or a L. for striking flame ahold or something a statistical extra wounds can can make the difference between the dancing surviving to versus banks. Not Office to a given that. It's the Lynch Pin of your army. Lock at that. The other thing I like about the luminaries is all of these versions. Are Hydro like ten or eleven drop mostly which means you usually have no choice of turn which most of the time you're GonNa put you in as as I said I got for the double. It's usually a good choice for your partner to give you the first and a lot of your damage. Spells are eighteen inch bid out of range. It's there's builds that can have an effective really effective. I turn in in hip. We'll get to it interesting actually thirty Liza to to actually stop cheap. Some damage out of the backfield heroes. That he's the hidden away. Yeah I I think interesting thing is I was taking the battalion so most of the time I was actually getting to tell wipe They go first or second in the average game. I wanted to give up. I turn because I want them closer to still costing absolutely if I if I take in most scenarios if I take I turn that is one less still costing However I can do some boss but I'm all damage stuff on really limited so keep that in lab absolutely. We've with a high drop list and arrive almost always plight. Hydro listen I haven't taken the the battalion as a variant on coaches with a hydro list. You'll usually be given turn and you usually can't do much about it but I try and build the lists around and a light variant to in variant three. Give you some PRETTY SIGNIFICANT OPTIONS TO BE A. I turn thread through the Saul screen bridge. That makes the opponent questionnaire very wanted to both have Jimmy needs in it which means if you get double turned you put the Jimmy that in the midfield and urology needs over to do when your parent wins the turn raw and his double turn you. Jimmy needs over and Davies Army. So you can. You can take the heat of your opponent. Double turning you back Obviously Thirty Phoenix God. In the call usually pretty tankeea could take a bit of a hit. They do melted under a sustained doubled earn but they could take it a bit if protective screens and the and the reason I do that because I have a four up a digital save of the regular safe so the two and three both the Saul screen which gives me an option to do a firsthand go aggressive potential office. Rockall or other aggressive taught movement variant. One was interesting and it was specific for Cancun in Cancun on we had access to mirror pool which was a teleport spell royal playing in the realms and had spells and the first time shenanigans pulling their would be teleport. The sisters of the Thorn fullwood usually assistance. But sometimes the other wizards van cost Jimmy needs from quite I- fullwood range and at that Ryan Jimmy usually ripping into your into opponents retired army so you can actually ended up doing a lot of damage if if you can get them up there that fast. Turn so really as a high drop list. I wanted to have the options in any of these lists in that. I don't actually care that much. If I'm given the first turn all all have to take the second taking the second with Holler hot. Your opponent does not WANNA fight a double turn against any of these lists the mortal wound ranged up. Put all in the third vision. At least you got some I know wants to turn of smashed Oil Hot Magic Faysal Misao phase and so your will buy themselves to giving you that fister and so you want to days listener. Oh designed to punish that lace could be an option to punish that if if the opportunity arises otherwise as coach said if you can be stuck doing a pretty ineffective and causing a couple of buff spells but yet your army. Bits to slow can't really do much positioning. And then you see waiting to be double turned against yes and like when we look at. Y'All is somebody varieties this really interesting. Synergies Rydell this interesting things to call out. So you are collins getting give onto the cost of all of your collegiate athletic visits which is essentially our economy Lubinov and you'll battle ages The sorceress does not get plus one to cost from the hurricane of the battle itself is pretty cool because it has eight different spills you can choose from. You must choose. Which relative comes from like you? I really liked the spell from ish. Which which basically push a one unit as mad modest hit There are some obstacles spells. I took one with friction. Which is a d six five bowl You've got the spill from which allows you get plus. Tutti go running charge roles. It's my favorite. It's a great one There's a whole bunch of different ones and considering it jobs really role to the Hurricana. It's IT'S INOSITOL POWELL. Pay If you're willing to our economy Hang around our economy has great spells on it as well on the on the flip side of the Luminaries. And how does a whole bunch of modal words as well from it's from its shooting attack that way? The awkwardly comes into play is it has a probably noticed damaging shooting attack as the Huracan bought. The Threat Range is thirty. Inches shooting Obviously plus the movement which is like ten or eleven survey the the limit. Ach has a will really consent people's if you're talking about dealing with Kirk You deal with critical that load change not by trying to go toe to toe the magic is you populism with showers you pope in it with that That Lou Mcclain's vein Jimmy's with twenty six inch threat range. So you've got Jimmy. Twenty-six shirt range alumina with forty inch threat range Your shadow warriors appearing anyway with either Threat Ryan. Ninety each from an enemy usually between those three sources damage. You can probably not at a K. Support here if you focus on them if your opponents done it probably won't kill if he's protected by some source God. But it's GonNa Worry Kirkeby it's GonNa Force your opponent to defensively rap Croak to to allow that and and Karak whitelock to tunes of that for sure he it will force your apartment to the entire those threats to Croak and leaves you core of your army the rest of your army to stop dealing with with the rest of his army. Yeah I'm if I on for my main coach rollback up on the coal. We didn't get to the other bit so thirty. Scott almost probably doesn't need to be over elaborated the headline and the point. I wouldn't mind calling and a lot of people watching these videos. Probably hear a lot of people talking Phoenix God but in in Hello Hot. I think they they needed more than off. And as a key reason for that And that is that you know these our condom. Dismiss this battle marriage if you do a double our economy Knock that's a big juicy center in your army. This was a lot of points and if you don't have something to protect them they talked Robbie. I think it's protection is one thing and is very swipe protect and Phoenix. God is defense one of their roles. But I think it's more you're gonNA be thinking. Lay Six seven eight hundred points Into magic including your endless spells Phoenix God and not a defensive unit. They that's not. They're all are a multi-purpose unit on sale various raids it off Scott just a defense unit. No they are the best purpose unit. And if you've sunk six hundred points into one party Army You'd need a multipurpose unit so some games you'll native bubble wrap and defend. You'll you'll fortress of magic power and you need a Ford outweigh the Fanny Scott. But all the Games you need to get buddies pushed out onto the objectives in the middle or to even be pushing into your opponent's Enza and you got an aide. Simulate attack is to take the fight to the enemy and push them forward the multilateral the fact that they are multi-role unit is really critical in Holler hockey. And you're thinking so many points into specialization. Around the magic yes. So yes so good point they are a great Hamma and they're great great anvil which is also why I can see you in your list. One to you've also got the anointed on which is a perfect synergy for the Phoenix. So you're correct. The night will protect your army quite well if you if you need to castle upper defend but the reason I always take them is because once they absorb hit they also can punch back and they can punch back justice hot Hoddle because the hurricanes giving plus the he the anointed for command ability is going to be able to roll wounds If they within twelve oh eighteen of the the anointed have to take battle shock so straight off wan to range to reach. The the range is worth calling out the the Phoenix Gutter on twenty five mil bases which means a to train. Get your effectively. Three rank attack Tom You kind of position properly that they are one of the only units in the game with a two inch at an a late attack profile to intrigue on Twenty Five Twenty. Five meals is huge. It's huge it. It really increases their attack. Power Effectiveness Yeah they were in previous editions advised firestone version with three hundred sixty points for thirty and probably the most points efficient unit in the entire system. They four hundred and twenty points for three thirty. That's a lot of points going into the some people's when they talk. Cd's Will Phoenix Scott under pointed. That's not true. I think they're fairly pointed relative to the overall system. I would probably argue that. Many of the other options within CDs for for elating betrayal probably appointed an data of points reduction to make them viable relative to Phoenix. God is your option but black God for example fix got just so much better around and having this discussion we've discussion with a friend the other day about great swords and as much as I love great swords Alexander Saint Points. They'll likely same points and yet they just immortal. Sixty hit bought Ivanka a great souls. Mrs Phoenix Scott. Hands Down on taking Felix Yuna thirty is going to be a one quarter of your army. Put an annoying today Five hundred so yeah so great. And that's why I think many points I'd hate to be multi-role the third thing in the final thing in the core is the sisters of the watch which I've had a lot of questions I've sorry systems on why they are they also get. I are so also get the hop. Bonuses for Wizards Extra Spell The bonuses to magic the extra picks and why I view the themis. You've actually got here. A A very multi-role unit one hundred thirty points get you to Kosta wizard with ten wounds. That takes up a On roughly night ain't inch board space between their sixty mill biases and each gap and five five models in the unit. That gives you a lot of Zone Control. And so the role. The sister on almost always do is they sit behind my back line and act as the Zona control so people come Dave strike all edge struck from the from the board behind my front frontline. Usually you've got like the Phoenix Guard on the front line. The Wizards Heart and behind the Phoenix Guard. And then the sisters of thought protecting the backfield. So you're can't get in and take out those wizards for from Destruction Ninety. Egan's so sister Tho- on hundred and thirty points for a multi-role unit in the middle like game you can then send them forward to contestant objective depending on the mission pack. You must be out of season objective with him if it say teleporting all over. Location old the Canada's a wizard for that Very effective in that mission and as well as that will get to it that they do seem to jaws with the eternal God as well in in one of these builds pretty well so for one hundred thirty points. You get a lot of value in an another multi raw unit there. Yeah that's great and not saying you've got a whole bunch of animals spells. Which really laughing can see you go combination things like Jimmy you void talked about is a great damage dealing but also a deep off by the Moslem hit over months on damage got Palisades Day. You've got Soul screen bridge. I know I really enjoyed running at wildlife swollen of there's a whole bunch of endless bills. I love running. That's my favorite thing in the world. is running noth- nothing makes me more happy than throwing in the spills live toiletry sauce screen bridge got palisades. What's the strategy was the idea behind that? So palisades ended up ahead fifty points spare. I wanted to position for triumph. So I didn't want to fill out with I wings or a fifty point spell. Nine hundred ninety tend to build most of my lease at nine hundred ninety eight seventy two fish for triumph of finding good value for sacrificing. Twenty points the Palisades. Basically just was was a point. Fila and I don't think I coauthored a single time. It can't go on. It ended up just being a waste of wasted spice to be honest. I'm a can be effective. If you plan your control stall which is what I was attended with that list but it just situationally never really came off. It tends to be quite situational if you can block a couple of bits of terrain put the bridge for put the Palestinian front and you and your opponent cockpit through the down saw the big downside palisades. It's a five cast which means if your critically using it to block up an opponent's caught of pathway of movement that only need a roller seeks to on binded if it's a real critical move and if it's not a critical move then we'll doesn't really matter so it's critical move. Your opponent will get rid of it unless they're unlucky and if it's not a critical then it doesn't really matter so I've struggled find value with palisades. Fortunately I mean if if they try to find it in one building costing one list pal by the world also in a five plus. The opponents going to be modest. One hit from that that radius. Sorry this this this this some stuff in there there is some stuff in there and and I did have a thought at one point with that very Wanaka get opponent up to think minus forty hit between the Lumina Casting Foss Protection on the Phoenix Guard. The SORCERESS DOING. I would of pain on your opponents. Main attack unit. Dumping a Javanese on onto them for day buff and then if the Palisades was positioned appropriately you. Could you really drained vitality away from that Unitive thirty year twenty five sly as Lord the lodge which one of the local guys in Geelong knife and he's a good player and a Lotta my practice games it can't Canco plan against Five slides low to the lodge was quite conscious of that as a threaten. And Deep buffing debriefing. Loads of the lodge. The rest of that that I I me. You've got the anointed sorry. I took both big unit said aluminum back and the hurricane. And the primary reason was I wanted both conversions and gunning for a coolest Army Norma but there was a genuine tactical raisin as well. It gave me redundancy a having both big lots. I was actually thinking the Meta would be quiet. Zen Chevy and spent wired about Ko with their long threat ranges as well. Big Out a drop in. Elvis struck me take out my be Guy Takeout side. Howard Kennedy finally had one if they take that add. It's such a lynch pin model for the army. You start to if they can kill that thing on. Turn your your stunt struggle so I wanted to be a redundancy that the luminosity of very expensive choice. A crash redundancy a it doesn't feel like it's efficient to to be putting nearly six hundred points in on that and you start to run out of bodies but might be a medical and ended ended up where he anyway because he's still a good model in itself and it's Wall scroll spell is a really good hold clear killer as well so yeah so yeah the anointed energizes with the Phoenix. God He's the captain of the Phoenix. God the battle shock and Reyrolle role wound rows On the attack phase it with a command point so very good Sanjiang anointed the anointed Osa. Had he was my general to get the advantage of the city's abilities for extra points and to pass off words and he also had thermal rider clause can we skipped over the artifacts. But Thermo o'clock tends to be my go-to artifact in in in Holland hut limited to Ashby and for the anointed. My theory of the Hullah. The thermal rider was very much to contest those here. I missions free places by came power. I'm not sure if there was one or two in Cancun but he quite fast moving it can keep up with the Phoenix God and jumped to the front lawn just needs to between his own. Four update five plus Passing potentially passing off winds to one of the units of shades is basically a cockroach is really really difficult to kill difficult to kill to the point of opponents wind even Baba like small foot here with that much protection by one. They'll often forget about him and he adds quite a bit of beef to Scott and synergy and in the right mission. He's absolutely clutch. When Your Fair Morada Klug wearing anointed can rapidly deploy to save a hero mission objective or land on Enra- locational bland on the with an artifact fact Canas twenty models by landing on the middle of the objective at some. It's a really powerful option to have A. That's why anointed wearing them. Roy tends to be a Kinda Goto option for me with the flexibility that that gives he I I also take them quite but I'll often put it on things on our column because one of the things that I found with my army. Is that a keep getting bogged down with my battle line. The HURRICANA wasn't able to move fast enough so it allowed made me out of fly over my screens and move where I needed that. Our economy to a whole new modal word so The obviously the you know what we're doing here is Sherry casings. In different ways to do this You obviously choose an adventure on what's for you. But I think it sounds like we're both Big ADVOCATES OF THEM. Roddick Lok Maradas. I think the guy to choice for for our own faction artifacts a pretty ordinary wheat. Fire Tart Tom. If you're building around at endless spell Liston so I take the week fights because all we always take talion so have to artifacts. And what are we jumped? Find time as I put it on my anointed the anointed a cost off but bolster. The cool thing is in its ability that allows it to dispel a spell. I'm bonded endless spell. I could do that. Without impacting. Spell cost so I co- costing ignite weapons on my a phoenix. God without taking away a spell or an endless spell from my battle majors. My our condon's my other spill costs by nodding. Kato was another one that I would have And I was running immigrants comet as well so taking an analyst bill from stole cost and doing a whole bunch of Arabic damage to my parents By that really well with my anointed. Because they might anointed combined it and then I'll just record it and just to a whole bunch of damage ACIS. I completely play the woodfire. Time is is number two artifact after the the cloak and you give it to that foot here the anointed all the Lord Type non. Magic here are to give him that extra spell couple of interesting things to be careful of that is it doesn't get the bonuses from Arcane Channel. Because it doesn't make it doesn't give you indicate where it just allows you to cost a spell it also you won't get anything like the Arcane bonus this mock into Reina's will around so subtlety there another subtlety on the anointed as well as the rule Lord and I'd actually say this is probably an exploit that subtlety the borders on exploit that that needs to be fixed is the anointed. Rimbaud can bind an endless spell in Yojiro. Cise not at the start of the here. Yes yes so. You could do a little bit of Shenanigans. We've added a potentially. I is literally what I was doing like you could do it with. You ever blazed then you could. You would. Effectively have two cracks at unbinding it You can combined it after you've lost it as well as you could in the start of your next year. If is you have another crack on blinded. And then you still get to recast it again as well so you could always lots walnuts. John Russell them to bring back effectively today. Six fakes got into that coach. But you there's an option there and it's it's a useful option. I suspect eventually it'll be fact in and made To start a fight but it's also not the only but the anointed and ruin Lord. Have they've gone through two facts and I think I K. On and possibly the Lord of change can also unwind during the FIS rather than at the staff is but they're not unique abilities so maybe it was intended rather than sloppy. But it's a useful thing about the annoyed today at the anointed the Lord add to that magical supremacy as well. As as coach mentioned you can get the An extra blind That's not sucking up one of your spills. I initially got things like you got shut. It worry is we've got to. We've all these shadow war. Isn't I think a lot of people know the benefits of a shadow warriors having to deploy them away from the ball on the table? We cover plus when possible learned curious on variant one and understanding. Why you had two units showed awards because some people have asked me in time Thoughts on having more than one year shedded worries wide. You no too. I really pretty Cancun. I was running a firestorm list with today's stock is and are very much got used to the idea of today's Stockins and potential that brings in I also Was running prey Cancun with three units of screens or Backfield of some way or another side to dock shots obviously at the screens. And if they do. Some damage says a nice bonus but basically they just bodies aboard control and thought well. Okay if there's any kind of mission or if I made a match up where I'm going to get elvis struck hard. I need to protect. Those Phoenix Guide with the lies of screens can always use wanted shadow. Warrior is deployed in Mike deployments iron rather than strike as as as a screen. They're an expensive screen. But if the matchup debates you nate screen you've got a screen the other the other thing and talked about it a bit. With the sisters of the thorn there are used them as a zone control. Two units shadow warriors. Give you a lot of zone control. You put them both on the flanks in such why if with Catholic deployment that you can non zone Atta a significant amount of effective board. Spice Your opponent doing anything teleport. Oh Dave Strikes Shenanigans. Finally if you WANNA kill kill US support heroes. You've got the GYM NEEDS OUR. Qena the loom knocks Liza. And if you desperately need to kill something dropped two units a shadow warriors in front of it as well and fire into it If they ended up dying the next so bay if you've taken out that absolutely critical Buff Pace. They ended up flooding in my game. Six canoy I Was facing cinch with a gunseminar and I had the first got five wins off it and the shadow warriors drew flubbed time. Yeah that that was exactly what would to to give twenty shooters to just extend that? Threat Ryan should take support heroes who really good coal another spell that I WANNA call that that. I'm I think is a great Pacing the Saami as well. I'm a big fan of the quicksilver soldiers. Well 'cause you're all fifteen dice because it's from a from from sees sequel And especially against a also do fly a modified Plaza de Modal Winds Six plus against other armies off chaos can throw it through stone portal. Do some good damage could it? Hasn't area effect is opposed to having to touch with apartment with like the pendulum will the The Sun I if I had my time I've dumped the PALISADES and take the solids for sure thirty points. It's it's a no brainer. It's so shape and then I can see things like the frequent handgun is not only a good screen. Do some good damage with his long range. HERO EMIT. Lotta hero but the unit captain has a thirty inch. Range shot. That ignores Lucas and I get to shoot if they get charged against the in counterattack. You've got some very nasty head choked putting Ken Fragrant Handgun as as a scrape. Front of two point two point nine inches in front of Phoenix. God Say Your partner charges the fray guild obviously gets takes a few words as from the frigate Stanton Shirt role obviously slow to the handgun is 'cause they Robinson Mel I. It's not they're all but if they fake Scott a standing two point nine each behind or two point one h behind the lawn the face then stepped forward and counterpunch and I love that counterpunch top play and finished God defensive and Palffy defensive but there's a lot of high damage stuff out there that you do need that Blighty vom a screen in front of them for them to remind effective. Yeah then. They're not immortal. He conscious put the Phoenix got on there and expect them to people and yet they're not going to be there forever and that's why we're take lustful as well to bring back some bodies Especially some of the army's it really hit me hard and they'll do some damage by fifty points I could bring back Six twelve eighteen up to during the game Which just extrapolates value for Phoenix? Saw definitely pray pray. Can't trout a lot of lists with lots lot was close to taking it? But Yeah I definitely agree that it's it's beneficial with the with the Phoenix Guide. You bring back a Lotta of two bottles can pay for itself so if you well something I really WanNa ask burning question by from the chat and myself is that unlike the other CDs of seek my way you only get three spill choices to choose from You know how hot has six to choose from? Do you pick all six. I mean you've got things like wildfire has gonNA do some odds modal words You got serious wounds. Which is a heal spell you. Emma elemental sought clay which is probably one of the envy pays. That does a multi Every model in the unit on for plus you got warning brands announced modal words back on a full plus you got crystals which is be no ring spills endless spills four plus Ignite weapons which allows you to add plus the wind role to a unit so is a good diverse mixture of offs and damage. What else so in Cancun on the Swish. He arming IFA. I was gone for a tool kit list as could be saying that. It's got a Combo conduct. Mix and match up everything in there and a day. Take at least one of all of them for that list. What a fan of a time crystal ages has a pretty short right. Shaw cover range for pretty modest bonus against really not that many armies in the Meta so I- crystallized of dropped doughty payoff. I game gains inch. Did make a couple of four doors. That's paid off but I drop it Nanas in saying that when comes with these luminaries you know if we do have the luminaries coming on the table. We do have load Craig smashing bashing if we're going to have a Moselle supremacy these Vajpyee with wild that I'm GonNa tell you I'm with you. I didn't find enough value out of the CRYSTALS BOUGHT IF MEXICO SUPREMACY IN. We're saying more gashes on the table on the burn rate Biz. I may reconsider having that I also took. It can't come because we had Rome spell so I was expecting magic. Heavy Meta to take advantage of them I didn't run into an against but I was expecting a lot of IBM gashes which were are dodged them an effective in a magic heavy metal. And if if the eventual your local guy image using the realm spells crystallizes yet. Definitely take that. Because this can be a Lotta Magic. Actually your hot top elemental salk line and yes is good. The problem voice family that Is Getting in effective range to to do a lot of damage? If if you're wizards up in range to be Outta hit that big unit there in got threat so I'll probably find that as the second spell at our drop C WOUNDS. You need to heal up after you take your kind channels. So that's a must take on in the list. Ignite weapons is incredible on your companies or your Drake Sawyer Phoenix God accurate. I would say in my least I would have some of twenty handguns or have a book. Weapon stringing that you bring him down winning on twos is just. It's beautiful and we'll talk about what on Drake's Kadduh in the final moments roaming. Wildfire is one of the best tax bills in the game. It's can hit multiple units and with a little lock on the door. She can bounce it to a fair part of the opponent's army so do tend to take to lots of rhyming. Wildfire as somewhere in the list. Awarding brand then probably becomes the fourth so see. Williams is essentially not weapons is the best of the lot rhyming. Wildfire for attack and damage apple becomes my peak awarding brand I lean is the fourth pick used effectively. Eighty you scare in apart attacking oil fuel playing a mole Agra list which is in variant two and three you could send a lodge unit forward deal. It's damage hold its objective. Whatever it does and Eva win an opponent hits it. It's GonNa deal fifteen motor winds back at the apartment and funny any spell that deals fifteen motor words by your parliament all in killing and Drexel your terminal. God Wind Mortar Spells. Pretty Nasty. I've used that a lot on my handgun Twenty Handgun. You know they get charged. Think shoot before combat and then you know that guy to die another tab then Throw another up to ten. So it's pretty tasty for spell. Yeah I really lock warding brand as I damage style spell and control and scared at in people's heads up they don't WanNa get any of that I will I won't say one thing about elemental cycler now. You you probably want to clarify of we go. Tournament is located gray. When it comes to this bet. Most tournament organizes Are allowing elemental cyclone the line to draw in from something like the unbel- Sto Portal. So if you visits next door central spell portal and then you sit up another uncle spell. Puerto on the battlefield. You Control that twelve inches from the bill portal. It is great. It's not a hundred percent clear. Bought Eighty something. You possibly could do that as always check. We go toward organized it's unclear. Think elemental cycle. You have to take the spell portal or I o wind the vowing to give you that extra Ryan as well Bye Week gives you plus range by Wendy's quite an efficient endless spelt ad in here doesn't get him how. There's not a buff for that. But one of my tricks are really locked. Doing is a barrel marriage of his With China Lawton all the Sorceress with pain. You put them on the front line. You probably gives you the first and usually you can tell from deployment is you got give you ten or not. You cast by wind just in front of them and I and you late forward. Five inch of the Bio wins base from the deployment of the Boeing F van. Now you've got plus six inch on your word of pain. Annual Rhyming. Wildfire became twenty four inch. You've raching pretty date into the opponent's back law and to be Ottawa. Hit The K. Costa's with to lots of day three mortar words which then follow up with a alumina. Kleiser or Jimmy till something and you've taken out a K. Support here I plus down to beat about the damage upfront. Gain in a Combo of bio- wind punishes an opponent that gives you the first turn. It gives you something that can do damage in that. I turn if if you're running hydro list and I think we've kind of illustrated now. This is just three different ways that you've built I've in some other examples. It's definitely some Wisey ICAN tap into more of the wolf type yields as well now whether you WanNa go exclusive to humans you WanNa go with Which takes the best of Earth Worlds You know I love the fact that the Grunwald I've seen some Nasional cheeky combinations way. There's the hello hot command trait find spill hunter. So you get pasta to the role where you try to combined angles spell so using the nodding cantor's of ablaze comet and then using like a a an anointed or a ruled with plus three today. I'm buying that. And then cosmic end on bind cost on and just doing absolutely havoc with the one hundred point College so you WanNa make the most of it. So I've seen that worth really. Well there the flip side I look at things like victor the blazing crusade. We makes basically your whole arm. You mean to battle shock Hobie. Eighteen sets brutal. Got We honest. Those two You can do it and if you're running the right list that you need that battle shock it's great but I default toward near the flame. That's what I almost always take that On a four upside. You've got the jute until the Lieutenant Plus Award and you gotTa probably generate an extra say h turn and that's Allows you to use. You can't channel and you've got that space a pay the four battle shock all full pay or run. Ajayi or something like that taking Chaldean. I've found that I always had enough. I never felt like I struggle with Mike much points because of Italian. You plus the cost plus unbiased and while that doesn't sound like a lot Getting the extra effect getting extra command command points. Lowering drops was well with one hundred forty points. The something thousand already taking which three to eight visits that was that was the way I perceived it but I know none of his tad the battalion now. We're running out of time but I just want to chat about one other list it's powerfully and Holler of trying to keep it short but the the final list on this was an eye and Drake Saul Screen Bridge List. And I think there's various discussion of scream Andrei combos add on the Internet that you can read but it's a powerful powerful comeback. 'cause it's a ploy not move and in hollow hot. We ignite weapons getting that bonus to where and the that wasn't listed on the list as I have long beads at just forgot to add to the the slide. Sorry so you've got my thirty nine Drake's get to two attacks H with the room. Lord giving on plus one rent. They're on and the hurricane. I'm giving them plus hit. You could teleport this unit forward to bicycling anyway that I need to go hunting. They need end up with sixty attacks hitting onto twos. Spend a say payday role ones if you've got a pace we're getting on twos Ray. Raleigh ones for the long beards ability. Negative to rent for ranged attack. That is going to shred anything there. Unit captain has a torpedo torpedoes longer. Ryan Jr and against monsters has bonus rand and day seeks damage. So you've got you've got a unit captain with two twenty shots hitting on Tuesday Raleigh ones where you go. On Tuesday. Raleigh ones three Ren Three dealing day seeks damage. That's insane for Unit captain in what it can do a Andrei With bridge the bridge is an expensive spells are hollow. Hot MAKES RELIABLE TO CAST. Which is it synergy. Bridge gets empowered extra range and then ignite weapons is another bonus and inevitably. You've got the hurricanes in for that bonuses. Well that is a really nasty Hammett to land on your opponent and people are sheets. Get over it to be honest. I've seen I've seen that used really well. I know there's another variant by using crossbows because when a crossbow doesn't move it's Aa gone so You KNOW THIRTY CROSSBOWS AUGUSTA. Sixty shots a handgun. It's obviously obviously can teleport around the board again. I get a pluses to heat if they move when netting in Joyce's really well with the free general on foot we had plus one plus one two with command points of also seen sisters of the Tho. And that's the one that this watch. Sizzler watch the thunder on the DA's what on the fourth sizzler watch again Naidoo. Having Nice Block of thirty and then teleporting them with the I the assault screen bridge so all of those options awesome and in Holler hot. You get the bonus to Casa breaches reliable more reliable but you also put the weapons for that bonus and then warning brand on them. If you're going to send you a shooting unit into an aggressive forward position thirty forty warning brand then blows up on your opponent. So they walk in. I you drop a nuclear bomb on them with shooters then your opponent has to deal with. Because I don't want to face that again. They send in their attack. Mob Whatever's left. Take him out and you blow up another fifteen motor winds on them. And then you match. If you're thirty Scott forward and your opponent doesn't have anything left that can handle with any real garbage of late what needs to be deleted. That'd be united personal preference with the wolves. Also human is something in there for you which is pretty cool is an awesome combination for old. What side Andre that Combo of just talked it up as really exciting. I'm I'm about to drop it out of my call list I. It will absolutely devastate most players. Who who doesn't play well against it but it can be screened off on. Do I only have a sixteen inch range and so an opponent could put a scream lining and ladies. He stopped seventeenth behind that screen. Teleporting at nine inch year out of ranged actually hit the important stuff and yet that is a twenty four inches crossbows could be a more effective efficient option on that basis. If don't get the rent and don't senior jaws with the Rim owed take free go general on foot in Yep whatever ideas and some of something other still cost you that I really like as I've mentioned the Lord in Cantal but you've also got I played with at least before the the Lord Economy on foot. Which is hard to find but that has really cool command ability version. Opportunity Magara launching up now. I The legit. I actually was just so swan from someone who built the little. The Lord Tauron Anyway the point is is that that command ability allows you to move in will spell an additional six inches again. Swords Pendulum yet. Say if you're going down the inland spill route. You know again this. This one wants to choose from. His book is really exciting. Yeah I think the books GonNa last a long time given. There's just so many tools. As the metro evolves if not one of the cities will evolve with the matter and this many toolkits in the city's book that can you can tap into that it's going to have a lot of legs for a long time maybe not at the absolute top. Tier. But it's GonNa take a long time before it Deitz out as what we're in this world of Metropol supremacy. I think how they're hot. Has Its place. I think you can enjoy. Probably the one dance ought to be conscious of with with people is Organization of your spells if I- spells you've got a very long hair for that domination and your opponent can start rolling their eyes and it can be fun as it's sets here if is non interactive part of the game this I Be Conscious of that with the apartment. do in my parents of saying it off got. A It's coming up at like. Quite Day tile trackers of okay. What does everyone do? Hemi SPELLS IKAST put dos down on the square boxes to keep track of everything absolutely for Holler hot or full any other hero intensive lists that you take definitely build a conduct shake shake that you can give to your opponent that outlines all the threat ranges summarizes roughly. What the spells do and keep track of who has cost water and how many spells. It's pretty simple as well as for your to track of it all yourself so a couple of Hanes at always share is a at one. Am was reminded great website. It'll put all you spills and your threat ranges and you costing values on some single pages. Check them out so things the ID to speed up by hero phase. Is I use special dice and I put the special dice next to each of my visits. So that would be my cost so as I cost I would take off and I use the winds of magic dice from offense battles and a like they they are like they're very very cool but they are very different to my wound tokens and the regular blasted. Al's cost might show. That was special and I make sure my apartment. These two dice needs to every visit meant one of my costs at every topic of a spell. That would be how I would track an Iowa shots on their website. They have a whole bunch of spill. Cots said Aaron the size of magic the gathering. Kind of Plane Cod Abu heavily spills on different playing cards. You could get into the print off pretty itself and you could always have these caught so they sit next to. You is it. So you know you know what spill your costing say economy costing warning brand of one visit when actually on your list. It's completely different reasons. Yeah and that's why again used Adan said I've got some special I came looking cool. Elvis mystical and and I use those cards as well. Another really cool. WanNa do you. Do definitely want to have good. Tokens for you buffs. So you can keep track of it and your opponents track one that I do is a shapely from officeworks. Those little you know. There's a lot tabled understands. You say cafes have lot your cable. Wanda's a little slot in southport. A few of those the clip and you just put the spell cut in and you put that next to the unit of fakes God with all the buffs on it. At the end up with a forest do they seeks because the seventy buffs and you just point cod at pine at your parents got no excuse for not guy off forgot that you had that off on that unit. So it's just part of the politeness of the game as will make it easier. Not only for yourself but for your hundred to remember what the Hell you have done and what Olas buffs are going to do to your mommy confusing Zombie. So go like propane. It has tokens. Go get them in the hub. If you didn't buy the wall scroll Kosic came from Games. Workshop There are some people who make acrylic ones. I think los ratio it had some mock. It's very clear who has walked off because there is going to be a Lotta boths kind of being dished out last couple of questions. We kinda they want to kind of wrap it up with an obstacle sexy one. So we've kind of talked to that. Magic Bain dominance in this army and we don't WanNa ever rely on it but certainly the strength of being to apply boss Ed Spills de Bosc on binds elected stuff. What's the thing that's GonNa stop for winning? So what's your biggest concern on the table? Talk so the. The the single army of struggled against most is a Optimized BIG WA OF LOSS. 'twas to optimized big Wa big wineries very dangerous the middle of the moment it's super powerful Main reason is you'll damage output to chair through the sheer number of wounds at it has on its shape. Screens is difficult. And its threat. Ranges with British conning Line Fist Fray Mardi destroys moves and And the various spells for free movement Problematic because you get longer threat range than than these lists that I've had so you're on the you have to be on the defensive. And that's nautical position to me in in I just sigma generally defensive is. It's hard to win from defensive position So guar struggled with the other thing of recently struggle with these Croak. I think That's a bit of a bit of it not to peak and I think I'm GonNa actually just a little bit to take on the Seraphin like the these short right now is happening before the generals Twenty twenty. So we've done scenarios coming out. We don't have any of that point values going to increase decrease But certainly the the rise of of Sarah phone we can only imagine the luminaries ruin loads can be a very strong magic. So how we handle those challenges I think is a question mark. I think what you've got around the luminosity would stopped. But as you've pointed out it's probably not enough to take data Handled Craig all is a limitation. Except there's no such thing as a perfect list. This is hot. Can build a powerful listed that you're Harnett walks in a Gauche. This is a bad match for them that but there are inevitably bad. Matchups Pisces. It to to everybody. I think the other thing to be conscious of there is a little bit of a swing fact to these lists you can flab with a one on y'all caine channel followed a double one cast and that lost me game at sa. Jt Sylvan standing there and nick. If you're watching love you man love your souvenirs. Beautiful models beautiful player. The ALARIO was standing at the front. Just waiting to be teleport bridge struck by my drake's and I wrote a one can't channel fuller by Double One on my Kosten bag. That set that happened to me I played. I played Campbell. Who is a very proficient Masters Level one Cancun in twenty nine teen blades of caught? He's just an absolutely grew. And I'm playing back Campbell around five of attains tournament last year and he was running up his blood I is. He had the insisted All the blood in the world and I'm like brought their battery charge me. I'm going to hammer the crap out of them and I roll one of my Arcane Channeling Iro nothing double one and one and twos and Matt Matt who I haven't seen saw matt before. He's very very focused. Very very very good at what he does. He looks being guys. That's the worst rolling. I have seen an dots. Something you need to accept is that yes. There is a good chance he can get plus six on your cost then. It's also going to be a plus one And you gonNa take damage as well and all of the spills. You're trying to cost ones on seven. The ones on six spills quite generous when it comes to spell costing what you WANNA do. Is You WANNA cost high enough? That your opponent on bond. It's only you cognitive off. It's at if five sixes and sevens and your point just still or a complete flop a triple thick and it happened. So look at Dos. Rolling Game Yukon ECON eliminate that risk. I think Holler hot. Can you can put yourself in a good position to put most dos role in your favor. Which if you play the game in a competitive since if you've skewed the game in your five car that's that's the best. She can hopeful Rather than controlling it completely and occasionally chaos role is just GonNa kill you and and that's That's that's that's it kind of goes back to our first point and that is dark. Put all of your eggs in one basket had three or four different threat paces and really think about the independent of you'll wizards we've showing some really good examples of that in. Shar but just joined on as in the basket as as tempting as it easing how off I think one other one arise and and I would add dragged on over time. He Hullo Hot. The bridge reliability and the bonus to cast as well as in at twenty-four train jr one thing to be conscious of his how deep into the like game. You can bay and still be a threat to steal a victory. The A lot of guys auditing into two and three and and effectively wrapped up but any time that goes to turn four and five where it still a game. The bridge is so critical. Because it gives you that teleport to to move whatever you need to do to move to save an objective and in that turn four turned sometimes. It's a gamble because maybe you've run out of the ability to to cost. I can't channel and you need to kill off a on bond on the bridge wherever it first and then Recast it to be out of rape position around but if those desperate last moments diamond to the game a bridge is can we knew the guy by by teleporting some unit to some unprotected objective and and getting extra objective points and It optional fall as any with the bridge But Holly how it works well because you've got those bonuses to casten and a lot of costs and luckily have. Us still likely to have a wisit alive in the end. I'm wizards often. Done savant pastor too in the. 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Top tips to kick off 2021: Will Ainsworth

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Top tips to kick off 2021: Will Ainsworth

"In real estate is that april. And it's not that. I was finds the war. Veterans at least samsung was that property again. Evasions show but i could tell you what annuals kids nine at all. Were dog the story that i could show you anything about them. Site i think is super important that we are in the business able we all talk about numbers and kpi's and transactions but just ways initiatives for moment and you'd be surprised southfield and they'll more than likely you care about them rather than commission you'll listening to elevate the official podcast of elite agent. The real estate industry sales professionals property managers and leaders with thanks to while partner connect now elevate brings you the best tools thinking and strategies to elevate your results to download. You'll written action guide from this podcast containing extra tubes leaks and shotguns. Visit elite agent. Elevate don't call and for more information about how connects now can make moving easier on your client is visit connect now dot com year. Here's your host so panther likley welcome to another episode of the elevate podcast where we delve into some of the most interesting minds in business in real estate for the very best tips and strategies fee to implement. Elevate your business. I'm samantha mclean editor of elite agent and host of this week. Show joining me on the podcast. Today is will ainsworth prisoner stranger to us here to lead agent. He's a hugely successful agent in his own. Right and early. She will join the team at negotiation as head of growth and training australia and new zealand before that he carved up an amazing reputation. As the top selling agent from mcgraw victoria clocking up a ninety percent clearance rate and selling more than one hundred properties usa. Welcome back to the podcast lanes with sam insurance. Thank you for having me again night pressure but we just on the numbers on our podcast listens for the last year. And you my friend or at number two rotts really only got one spot and that was like kevin rubinstein. Say a main daniel from here. Now i really job. And i do remember i lost podcast fondly because i was in geelong that was my first trip down to geelong and we were in a hotel in the middle of the conference and they would play clattering around us in just goes to show. You can create good content under any circumstances so relied into basketball on strata view. It was fun. Yeah now right but you'd never know so you've had a big year and a big career shift in the it saw you step away from your very successful position. is principal mcgraw along to become hit of garth and training it either negotiation so first of all what prompted. That shift is really hot on to answer. Sink rate bought. There are a number of factors in the first line was family. Muck a lot of bagels. Rather by the time we had to be the time to see actually catch a price rises side and last time at home as unshipped wide awhile. And i think it dawned on me that my theriault is coming to an end without knowing it. Why not. that point is pretty obvious. It all out and of don but august mentally bang real For almost my whole professional career. I didn't actually know that was anything else out. They only sudden when these guy she is getting time long conical road because when it was just a user almost employed also doing innocent with them and i got a lot of calls from around the country wanting to use it. Because i've seen on us there and astonishing really. Enjoy helping other is. It's actually stop using land. And he plans and then sit organically growing to offering me your all and decided target. I remember back to that. Podcast that we didn't it was so interesting and i know people have been listening to it again this year. Because in that podcast you explained how open negotiation was part of your toolkit. And how was helping you win listings and things like that and i'm show that was hugely helpful to papal given the that we've just been through. So what do you do like. It's quite different. What you do now from being an agent but tell me about your average. I had his work at the moment. What do you. Yes so much level headed and trying to helping private business as far as the number by jains the to news the process of negotiation and i'm also trying agents from Ahead of it. All the way through to agency really experienced that it ends helping them grow and learn as well site is really a hard visit. Grinding visas on uses but also in trying us to become better data not just odd negotiations that just agency general and that's what i truly haven't passionate bowl as dies. It's all my slot. Going from plastic on was abaya and now on i'm touching on using skills. I had to help cross. And i love it so i'm guessing that you've had a pretty busy second six months because i think you made the move back around july and with the lockdown and victoria and various different circumstances that we've seen around australia and lots of people moving to hybrid models now as well which you were blazing trial in a couple of years ago. What's the demand been like four. I've been negotiation just in the last six months. Yes and let's put aside all the tragic around private stars but it was probably be replacing discuss gaza. Naturally a lot of things went online. Edennote was growing in its iron wrought when cliven and a lot of running options Around the wall saw that were the ones that very quickly once. We blend that. Because i understand the auction assists in doing auction online. So that was the first adopters during toilet and most agents around. The country started to work at that. I can actually sell properties online and not tighten wife's the fact that they still doing it. Crossed negotiating buys and running. That's possible and all that sorta stuff it was the auctioned agents initially and then private south. Providence unequivocally keith out a running sessions. I realized i could do a lot from the comes into their on their office. I happen to negotiate. I mean we've we've seen ye gods go from strength to strength. Show me head team heavy side on the podcast a couple of weeks ago and he mentioned that twenty twenty deleted five ways to sell a property. Private treaty expression of interests love auction on auction and open negotiation. So you've got your category year. We it's funny on your that because we miss the sire and that's a possibly different. Release the main or other agency balsams. Who fava treating your an auction where we're actually obey where hybrid is the traditional methods of essentially the best those traditional methods in be song crisis. Guy she is. It's been amazing to watch. And i guess for the people that well there's probably one or two that haven't listened to your previous podcast. Not too many. Just give us a quick outline of what negotiation dozen the benefit of using it yet as was created new psych. Why these problems. The traditional methods safes die so for instance silo product trading. The gripe lot of that have condition was so much more viable the problem daddies raisin and yukon. Despite his office and bias sat on a property i would love to by by some Across and so that quite often zapped and fight more for supplies annoyed bendel as me stat on having more lining their pocket side. that's salary. Auctions fantastic is dead lan which might everyone comes to ahead and finalize sil- is transparent robots. No that against but a lot of states. You have you financed slightly slowly approach which we all know. It's not possible with a lot of community. Say you're essentially discounting or not allowing said apples to be Properties so i've been negotiation takes the best advice and the pre get sold loss. Essentially auctions are under auction legislation advised. Bleed beach diwan. And i and say exactly what the current bidets tonight and say. How many bid is there and all laws break contact so when you up eating against another by united that by is already brace on on chat said there were real loss genuine blah yes so that brings an elevated level of transparency. I guess for the agent. And i can remember you talking about this show way back. When is that. There's no smoke and mirrors around what's being offered. You can actually say what. Spain off it and whether this is wrong designs all. It's not want. Fortunately we not real estate agents. Don't have the best credibility as destroyed. So there's a lot of eisenson eisenson lend the session and lying and Might titians office in boston. I don exist. You can't do that. You guys action to these worries. And that's one of the reasons i loved it so much was i didn't ask to mike. Just walls what it was in the and the vandals the eventual knoll savings signed thing. And it's on right and playing field site. That was one of the mind to while using it. So let's change tack a little bit here because now you've you've hung up your personal gavel and you've opened your little black book of hot tepes so we're hoping that once again you share some of those with us today and i know that there's a new download that i have got which is about ten secrets to selling hundred properties ye and that's a loss like one hundred properties years a lot and i mean look everyone's thinking about setting goals and some people have had great years and some people not say great years but if you go was to sell one hundred properties where should we stop. It's a really long answer trying to price. You have to want to sell unprompted his ear. I guess my sides sell more next year. That's probably the best way to get of these answer. And it s. The tallis allies. It's a marathon not a sprint. so it's just small. Incremental changes time rob than just completely unraveling not reading hall business to try and devilish. Yes that might be possible to some. But let's just more averages Look at it and say. What am i watching or twenty percent rather than sleeping and hey that simply as small incremental changes and Having bad management signing notes mull things you site yesterday as i can say very quick to do that and yell do that and slowly now erased spain designed by other people themselves. So it's a in and control of your giants on and as we have said prospecting walks s efficiency. Muss is happy to removed from that calendar stopping more inches along boyd. Opposite of what should be doing really that speaks to time management. If you're an agent actually. We talked about this recently on the bitter agents. Podcast when you're in control of asking the questions. Well let's talk about time management for agents because we had that conversation a couple of weeks ago. We'll leave linked to that in the show notes as well but you're going to be pretty busy during that many appraisals and like you just said the things that come out of agents the quickest Things like prospecting coal sessions. Let's say i wanted to improve my numbers or even think back to the time. That you and agent. How long did you spend in prospecting sessions in on the fine when you were first starting out. What else starting out. i had suit. Forty-five boardwalks h die. So i always would chance to forty obvious. Immune between for fresh enough eight hundred a month. They so three point pot was that it would be narrow enough erin half yet yet and went outside. Air awesome yvette media emails bouncing of piper on that easy so some Sad on a half of prospecting but as you know as well as Someone comes in and sit. John godfrey coffee. Let's do that. Miles listed at productive on nights freight holes in there and so on certain that serious and so what were the sort of kohl's just in case we're talking now to somebody who's just entered the industry. What sort of kohl's would you be making during those forty five minute sessions. So if you're new to the straight beauty is your office is not so. There is a wealth of data. We the every offices and data that no one owns anymore uses and belies the best prices will want something almost boswell at or something and now on face and real estate year that you want to sell. So it's a bachelor on it. Builds at dot advice and people leaving the community where you want to sell so i would go back goal lists and spain all papal seats months twelve months and months ago and try and get their address inches put him on a trial on the rarest of they choose to sell is really quite as now that mine. Osteo doctor time because it's not a bad a tomorrow. Tomorrow's about viewings sustainable business. It's on ins- marathon those sprint. You've been calling these painful you joining me. Prospecting sessions. at what point do you realize. It might be time to go these people. And how would you go about it. Yes i actually seek reprisals yes it's important inmate. Someone and fi suffice failing abilities like but once you've done that once but i'm really saying nato going back for another allen's realize the tomase not who is a time management so i actually do guests reprisals more often than in person appraisals so ori prices probably five years ago this whole an adjustment. They might any changes to the property. And i'll then cited. I'm gonna print all from report and send it to you and give you a call say race in style city now that saving time but got all we'll always expecting under the me seven hundred. Well clearly i haven't been back through the property side mighty these words last night hundred sites so it gives you an opportunity to backtrack and you get the wrong. If you haven't quite some time. But i think once again to time management blocking folsom Amulets rather than gone for an air. Save someone's not selling for chinese audiences value with that's on asserts prising every property. You're going to meet everyone that you speak to. It's about finding the ones that are in a place where they might be kind today. Something or the is reason and question for that. He's sam about a hopeful at the moment embodied have the rockoff. Would it be worse than you're fallen. Branches bremen's farewell. Should i sell them something else. Yeah that he's good dialogue especially at the moment to weed volumes being well. Volumes are up now but there was a couple months they way things were pretty low and i imagine that things have probably lower than they might be. Because we're on the downhill running to christmas. If you're an agent that was looking for listings even now what sort of conversations would you be. Having a castle is a lot more bosnia ourselves. That's pretty obvious. Erin century so i may and live in every buyer is actually. Listen so if you've got one hundred dollars right. Now there are hundred properties out there. So those as is not on the market socil- every proposition sal off ross seem symposium to go to buy on is at least for them. You will price poppy in the past. Twelve twenty out of many years ago though. It's such a matter now. Matching the violence of indoor and calling that van and seinfeld go to buy the property around bonus point one million when gb commission by rollins show now happy to by johann on around the one point. One and austin quite regularly believe it on its. Yeah actually would will win him around. And you're actually you crossing real estate rather than just being an order. Type rash matching together and aviation. I signed. no isn't that and coy just touched by sin someone to may you actually current movies by making that sign and they like caused proactive. Went off duty. Mine has to sell fails proactive. They are going to be doing. The sign will match paper out and put it on our mind. Yeah so it's really thinking like a dealmaker. I thinking like a harvey specter as opposed to just listing stuff on the portal. It's like get some deals happening with or ask the drop down these five straits in the year that weren't blind and knocked down all the address of the houses. I walk from the front and go. And don't them. We'll call them and say up by on the identified you and four houses that they've really interested in. Would you be interested in brains. That's a much easier conversation to have been hide. You want me to praise your property. Also ladies said last time we talked you mentioned the importance of agents maintaining my mental with clients. And we've just been on a bit of own real estate journey this she so we've it in different ways. What's a good shape for people who want to keep in touch with pass kline's argument biggest mistake. Chance might getting contracts on an eye popping file and let cows climb so kline you put yourself so inclined. Shoes public communicator Diary said i and as soon as the deal is done commissions hyattsville by jaakko bowl. That doesn't set a very good time for that flaunted. I actually means something to them. So it's continuing on that relationship. United states every state but from sil- all through the settlement just send. Sms signed with sixty dollars settlement. He's a checklist of things that you should do. Manage ask is from settlement. have you got everything connected. Have you got to remove. Let's just little things to help that. And on and then once the property settle lock. Everyone does at least one or that day then sure to that off to settlement. I used to have a process where every three months i would send that claude van chapel. Something that would certainly property site for instance on churn that would get a jim's mowing batch for now i didn't have to do is that it was a batch for an hour mowing. Who doesn't want to do that all the way and didn't gyms because it was he's business so i cold all of the people that wanted to build relationships a handyman a window cleaner and sites to them. It's going to be an era of those hawn to go out of business house they loans is even gonna get you continue. Army loans wants done. It once cycle smets zero. It costs jim. Jim's mowing god a little bit of time and the client absolutely loved me so then months all that would get a plane house and inman. Six hour get handyman. Will handywoman come for an hour and sheets and dole zoll fixing cracks in the lower pay so twelve months clients got every two months something like that the may and if you did that every insoluble lexus cheating cell. He has the time that's hundred properties. Every two hundred sixty three years in five years time you about two hundred and sixty possible as service like that when i come to sell. I'm going to go cuss. Boston's it's actually really smart to because you referral partners. They advertising the business in a way and so every time. One of the client says. Hey who should. I use to sell my house. Obviously they're gonna go with this guy with he's referred me however many clients ivory period of time. And you're going to be the first name on everybody's shopping list. Those people remember you never say uses them fan so it's not just size joining us most by that art and i call it ten people that hayworth. Aj a lot of business and the papal agents are easy just letting go because they move onto the next style. It is interesting to. And you know you and i talked about that on the bidder agent. Podcast you've gotta be good across the whole time line of of the sale not just one aspect because being good at facebook. Ads isn't going to help you with the off. Sow service kind of aspect of it. Not absolute and something else that was really impressed with too. Is your ability to find a unique point of difference. This is something that. I was talking about with the mcallister just a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned that you know is really important to have unique point of difference and our member yours very clearly because jones not traditionally an auction capital of australia. But you had embraced the auction as method of style. And you appointed yourself the number one auction agent in the area. Which i thought was really smart because you should be number one at something in whatever area urine. So what do you think is a good place for agents to look for the. Us pay in their local area. Yeah you been on a guy by mrs silent once again you talk for moment that that the us pay once it wrong started doing auctions so this guy shushing really toolkit that other didn't have but think you've just gotta locate yourself you strengthen wings and work. Our strengths are and which ones is. Everyone has been mind was very structured in persist. Even when i sat down with the bengals would lie at planet. Exactly what's going to die while the last rated the style and guys complete confidence that on across what. I'm going to be doing so much more often than not when i got a leasing i asked him. What was the reason why you guys. May that would side because you knew what you were doing feel comfortable at. You know what's going on so that was my mistake. So i guess what i'm getting at. Everyone has decent personalities some people are extroverts flamboyant and really not going with paypal. I'm not necessarily that wine clients if your talk this and it's really outgoing than news that you strengthen go out and meet more people than you've ever met because that's what you enjoy doing doesn't have to be. Teaching title is just evacuating so in front of more paper more often and with new agents. They full advantage. You i not wanna do. Long to some automo- mature i. I use that to you strength. Show the client. When i haven't how long been you straight paying six months one restoring and so when you're going to have fifty cents on the idea that you're looking at selling weeds. Down roy. Got forty teens. Senator time so which ones you want you want may full of energy and every style. I might rot now a well tonight. Because i need you to be at the telling you anchored. I won't business by you're gonna have more on. I have fifty one's pencilling down these dialogues that you're giving out because some of them are amazing and i'm sure that it can be very helpful. People out there. Thank you that i'll see. We weren't hold you to the maths. There is a court that we absorb the five people closest to us. Oh the five people that we spend my time with which is why it's important to seek out people that you want to be around. Who can add your kore- who is that few in the real estate industry and what did they teach you. There's a number of the modem lives on fast. Bri watt was the best that taught me yada. Auctions said eight was a huge influence. The may around the auction process than where we emerged ground. Actually john gra someone that i he personally mental and made he basically dot my minds and to what's possible. He has a really good wine calls boring lawns. It's sorta Removing barriers of what. He's thinks schaeuble a fantastic for me bra. The anyone as until may the hatch roots team which is fantastic. Hosoi time michael. Father matt from the agency off along really well over the years and he. He's just really good. Jiang human being one of those people in need to st legitimately us more than he's hikes and a lot of time for human of lent a lot for him and dance band saw. Who was marvellous touch. I think you'll series about real estate or any profession. You look at the best foles. People in the world is the one as a coach and no incidence. You wanna bay als- you need someone to god you and mentor you along the way for. May i pi eight months of to do that. Because i guess you're investing tight more night of it. That's what i do. We're leaving the fastest runner in the world has a coach. So that says something. we do. Study a couple of years ago which we actually found that people coaches and twice as much as people. That didn't like probably tom we did that. Study again actually might be fun. So twenty twenty. His bain bitta a interesting ride for most of it and had its ups and downs. But what were you. Take wiki from this year. And what were you happily leave behind. I'm going to do my best rate. late my guy von. I think that's what drives me is a real estate agents competitiveness in my guy and that stain the challenge of making the streets of delayed real estate apps on sign can account that what she other agents titles seem that i'll probably would have got site. It's one australians but it was also a witness as well song nationally. Leaving got on. As much as i can. And i'm psyching may as question. Is these the small things in life and enjoying every moment it is and bangs. Mindful as i can there be a on you role as as much i would really have more time to spend module psych. I get to smell the rises. And i got across the into things may and also spent some family so as But way people ask you what you do use That's what you're going to find your. Snl you are and jaw hall off for may on a sovereign husband s. What i am. And then i'll have to work to try and feel that destiny as well so you think that your real estate agent this then. He's into fun as nellie. It's actually being the human. I and i think that's what a lot of people have looked for the she. Not just in a real estate agent in people that they encounter in any moment of life yet so just for anyone listing. There is a link to wills ten secrets to selling hundred properties year which will be in both ow show nights any action god or you can grab that at hello dot open dot com. They you forward slash ten dash secrets that was a big mouthful. Wasn't it but before we wrap upside down everybody. Don't worry about writing that down. We'll just put it in a blog post for you but before we go and you're going to be taking a break christmas Small one but we've just got new. Poppy silence why anyways once again has taught us all to appreciate what scenario and backyard story. And i love where leave than at voice Dan do is soccer. mukasa will die traits. that showed answer is not will be hanging around. Yeah i think there's a lot of people doing a similar thing and we're delighted to have you back in and transform twenty twenty one transform. Twenty twenty was epic. The ship is one of my favorite things that we did this year. So what will you be talking about in transform. Twenty twenty one guys running very entertaining not auction not account lights and that. None of these detainees it on on going to be about how to build and leveraging babies system so i came around said leverage. What your best at a nets cubic lately steam and guiding that. Something's a real passionate. 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And i think it's something that agents really struggle with like things like. When do i take my first person on. How much do i pay them. Am i going to be able to afford it. What happens if i do all of those things so really looking forward to that session and really looking forward to transform. Twenty twenty one. So we'll it's been amazing asking you the questions again and thank you so much for sharing seventy tapes in such great dialogue with us today. It's been amazing in closing. Do you have any last words of advice for agents closing the door on twenty twenty and moving into twenty twenty one The may real aside his bat april. And it's not that was finds the war evacuees stay in marseille. What's that property again. How many beijing's show. But i could tell you what indoors kids nine were all. Were the dog. The story there that i could show you everything about them. 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Pappyon, Real Connections, Better Business - InnovaBuzz 344

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Pappyon, Real Connections, Better Business - InnovaBuzz 344

"Welcome to the INOVA bus podcast with L. job is to help you don't visibility P- professional credibility and connection with your ideal client. Why Pudding human at the center of Innovative Marketing? So you can build and strengthen and engaging enduring relationship with your clients. On European straps from his and honored that your here with me. If you haven't joined our wonderful marketing transformation community yet. Go to. See. and. Collect your free gift as well. I do subscribe to the show and also Labor review because it helps Abbas find so. Let's get into today's master close on this. PODCAST. We're moving away thankfully from being transactional in how we live alive whether it's for personal reasons or business raisins. and. Coming together as papal and. When you think back to it community that sense of purpose is to why you do what you do has stood the test of time. We now just need to make sure that message is clear at every touch point of. How you engage with people. Welcome back I. Hope you've had an awesome week so far. If. You haven't yet listened to my recent conversations with Chris Barra's Brown of upping your Elvis and with Neil Sahotra IBM master inventor then go check them out but only after you've loosened today's conversation. I'm really excited today to have on the another bus podcast, my guest both Sonia back and Dan octial the CO founders of Pepi on. Peppy on is a social networking platform that exists primarily to serve businesses wanting an easy way to build and maintain a strong professional online prisons to serve businesses that are seeking to support and adopt sustainable solutions as well as a base for connection that is filled with substance. Advice that they can use and depend on to thrive amongst the connections that matter most. The. Power of the PAPILLON platform lies in improving the quality of the networks established online. and. Enabling, businesses to create a hub full contact details and links to other online channels. In. Our discussion today Sonia and Dan, talked to me about building real connections that lead to better business. We talked about how covid has changed online networking and how can benefit from that. And we talked about great things that are achieved. Wind technology is combined with human connection and purpose. Without further ado, let's fly into the hive and get the buzz from Sony Beck and Dan hardshell. I'm your host Strauss from another busy and I'm really excited to welcome today to the another about podcast from very close by in my hometown Geelong Australia Sonia Z. Back, and then our chow who are the CO founders of Papillon which is an APP that enables powerful and meaningful professional connections focused on relationships and not Algorithms I. Love that. So welcome to the another bus podcast, Sonia Dan, it's a real privilege tab you here as guests. Thank you. It's going to be a Lotta Fun. Thanks again we're excited. Now, papillon's all about business networking and connecting people in a different way and I'm curious what inspired you to develop an APP that was focused on business networking and where did you say the gaps that? Pepi on his designed to fill. Ni-, that's a great question and. I think the the high level answer starts with the fact that for long. Wow. Now, both of a sustained technologies and then they blah of connection, but not necessarily the builder of relationships. And by that I mean. It's relationship building still require is the people involved to be proactive to take each other out and? Create that strong human connection that you cannot replicate through algorithms and so forth. So. We've taken a lot of time to look the likes of all the social media platforms and how businesses use them to engage with their clients, they customers, stakeholders, and whatnot. and. For. The most part it's still very shallow from from where seats for us the substance the deeper meaning as to why you do what you do why is that conversation with someone about your business just doesn't shine strongly enough through the digital platforms so papillon. Is Bank shaped to really Give people in business. The, the better tools. To take them from connecting to getting to know each UVA building trust and then really claiming to have a strong relationship. Yeah. I really love that and. I've been saying for quite some time on the podcast around facebook that I'm on facebook died, and yet you know people still use facebook in business particularly for the group's feature, and it always strikes me a little bit when I've got a couple of groups that are really valuable to me better frustrates because I have to go onto facebook and they're on bombarded with Oliseh. As you say people abdicating the relationship building to the facebook algorithms by bombarding US bombarding everybody was messages that are not necessarily relevant and and then not going to the next level even if the message is relevant, not going to the next level. So how is Different to that. Yet, that's you use a lot of cable. It's there and noise is a really big one. There is a lot of noise out there in the digital space and. I think what often happens with human beings is we've become complacent. Someone else sets the rules of engagement. They make the decisions for assembly, just roll with it until you know. Few years passes in this case I think. Let's say ten fifteen years of social media. Being our lives. I think the time now is really coming to the fore to question why were using these made maidens. and. For us way wanting to create a platform that gives power back to the uses to create their own experiences not ones that way set for them because I think for the most part that goes against the human nature Of what it means I think something that you discussed too early in the development of Papillon was. How you like to have a clear separation between business and and personal life in that something that facebook is definitely not a you going in logging in under your personal account yet at the same time trying to do business in really confuses you is at what content you should put out there and And how you should present yourself whereas Papillon's designed to be a place that strictly full business. Yeah. It's interesting. So if you consider PSI linked in which to me is much more business focused than than cy facebook or the other kind of social. If you like personal social media. As Principals and and. Yet I mean Lincoln still has this issue of people will just reach out to connect. Grow their connections as a vanity metrics. I've got thousands of connections and. That connect with people to collect connections rather than to build a relationship and I get heaps of connection requests, and all it is is just the button clicked to stand sound. So has has requested a connection and usually I. Don't respond to those. Unless you know, I'm I'm not look at the person's profile and unless I'm Anne. Phelan. Mustard that I'd probably. But if it's somebody I know then I I would take the approach. That I haven't. That unconsidered me important enough to send me a personal message So washer does connect which is kind of a relationship thing right and yet some people send some really great personal messages and that's resulted in relationships building. The other one is, of course that often when you connect with somebody, the first message you get back is high on stuff. Which? which isn't relationship-building either and an I usually on connect with those people. I guess my point is you know with linked in there are ways I think. You can use it as relationship building a house, pepple Papillon gunby different, and and against the bigger question to me is what do we need another social media platform? Nice but on. One of the K. differences with Lincoln and Papillon is firstly as you alluded to. Linked in very much is that collection of context type of platform? It doesn't start up with everyone bang galvanized around the same. Why? Why are we all here on this platform? Why we all wanting to engage together for what purpose? So papillon tagline is real connection better business and by that. We're trying to project a message that in using papillon you're using because. You have a raise and to be connecting with someone you're either already know them do business together you've been introduced. Or you've cross paths at an event that has given you strong indication that you shea mutual interest something in common. So from the outset. This this purpose is to why if connected, it's not just a random search. To build your your numbers of connections. And you actually need to be able to identify through the Papillon Platform. That you do. Know each other or have. have good reason to be connecting. So we are truly trying to build a message around people coming together around. Quite, firm sets of rules of engagement to discourage that. Random requests of connection coming into the space because it just creates more noise. PAPILLON ISRAELI AROUND CAPE CAPE ING ran the quality, not the quantity which. In marketing as you die, you're again. Trump every other strategy all day every day if you just keep focusing on on quality and why you're there in the first place. Linked in really is. To serve individuals first and foremost whereas Papillon is the purely for businesses and the business owners and individuals that represent the business so. In connecting on Papillon immediately, the relationship is around the business itself what the business aims to do what differences serves to make. To Your Life and it educating. The network around the business and the wives, the business is not so much. The. Wives individual who is looking to progress their own personal and professional brand for future create growth which is. Generally the domain of Lincoln. It certainly started out that way in terms of you know putting say's up there looking for. Job Opportunities I guess and looking for potential employers who could then see A new resume and you history. Absolutely and they've never made any sacred of that linked in that has been the core of the platform is truly to drive it from a recruitment hunting ground and a sales perspective ground and and that's fine. Business does need that this. There's nothing untoward about that however. Take it step further in terms of that relationship building discussion that we roll really driving lot stronger these days. This. Shallow you cannot. You cannot build relationships with tens of thousands of connections. As you say paypal, we'll take the time to send you a courteous. Personalized message when they requesting to connect. However it doesn't stop there. It's it's journey of. You've gotTA follow through you. You need to truly short to someone that you want to invest time in getting to know each other. So the. Looking at bringing into Papillon is continuing courage ing that journey from connection. To Taking the time to learn to ask to be curious. To Mate offline one day hopefully. Why now thankfully you? Become becoming a norm but Where we're really looking to help hold the hands of people in business and just guide them. Big. Tate skied. Demonstrate where the value lies and how opportunity will eventually arise if you truly. What it means to build a relationship. Yeah I. Love I. Love that. And you know you said that. Taking the time to send a personalized message, Mike and the connection, but then net still a very shallow relationship amended says that the person is interested in investing time in that relationship, but it's it's kind of like if you. Using the classic thing to end up with a an engagement ring at the proposal in your host era proposal speech, and then afterwards once once the other person says, yes is. Not Going to talk to you anymore now. It's ridiculous. You wouldn't do that Rod. Lately you've definitely gotTa dance with someone before you even get to that proposal stage. Yeah. Of course. Now you did mention you know the the fact that we're kind of living through this pandemic and doing a lot more online I mean one of the things about the existing social media platforms as it does. Up in, the opportunity to stop building relationships with people online that are not. You know you're not geographically located so that you would make them say in your local networking events or other other events that happened way cross positives paypal. But an, and of course, with covid everybody's now discovered how you can do. Connection, online, you can jump on the zoom meetings, thousands of zoom meetings, happening all the time. In fact, I get caught frustrated 'cause I. Probably get about ten emails dicing I was starting this meeting right now as. I've got better things to do right now but Heady heavy, you see peppy on working in terms of our I guess my question is what's the process? Of, getting involved and do you make people first and then you invite them to connect on peppy on. Or is it the other way around? I guess the scenario is in terms of how you may all come to know each other. In this day and age really does center on a few factors in I league. For example attended that up pick my brain event the other way. And had some people reach out to me that would that was awesome now? The event itself serves as the introduction that that is how we met. That is what brought us together so Immediately. That gives us raisin to Rachel out and take that initial introduction to the next step which is to connect. And In the online world, one of the most exciting faces that way fail there's A. Really big GAP Papillon can fill is to facilitate an easy connection amongst groups of people in these zoom, working environments and Dan I mean here and so that mostly connect which is. Yes, that's out multi-conflict feature and it's absolutely phenomenal how Networking, his absolutely boomed in this. In this covid nineteen year that we're in not rap right now beforehand was maybe a once a week once a month thing involved actually getting dressed and getting. Driving to the end. In the lack end, then once you'll they depending on the. Structure of the event could have actually been really cliquey. You might have if it was a dinner or lunch or breakfast event effectively while someone's talking. You're only get to speak to the person to your right to lift at Dodd's. then. Reports you your morning unfortunately, then afterwards, them might be a chance to. To, meet a couple of people not quite often as a network networking events actually ended with with you walking out the door with. Two. Business caused isn't on the right on the left. What we've found in the zoom meetings is that because they say easy to get to create to bring people together that the number of people that you getting on a coal is dramatically higher than what's been going to traditional networking events and In, the likes of zoom breakout, a breakout sessions way you put together with full detained. Unique Papal to toll for five to ten minutes. That's a networking environment that doesn't necessarily happen at the vast majority of traditional networking events. So what's happening is that people are our two mayt a lot more people and engaged with a lot more people I think. It's really important in the covid nineteen era because the whole business environment is being recreated in Racia- fold and building these new networks at becoming integral to everyone in business. So what Papillon aims to do in that space is effectively enable. The event organizer will anyone to effectively put a single link in zoom chat in everyone clicks on that link puts in a quickly creates papillon on a captain puts in the day contact details, and importantly they put in the preferred social media platforms so. If you'll an instagram star than you put instagram at the top of the list. If you're a facebook than you put your facebook link at the top of the list and enables you to. Put. In Various contacts site is it at the end of the meeting everyone's I would access these one page. That's got the details of the people. That make that were attending that meeting. And say it's a big meeting. All of sudden. You're here you're online with Cisco is thousand people watching him at that point in time. There's an extra feature that can be putting. It requires a double in because the last thing that we want is. Is Full some spam to get hold of the list of thousand people and stop trying to sell you. There are site. Seo. Services, lift the question is. is. In stage. What it requires is full youtube guy through in select who you're interested in meeting simile the others is suggested to do the same and if both of you have opted into connect with each other, then the connection is made at that point. So that said that way that really quickly and easily. With just a couple of basic steps, you can create these new connections in that environment. Yeah that's that's a really fascinating application, and of course, it makes it quite a bit easier for the person running the zoom event to. Connect table as well. Rather than because I've been on on many of these networking events on. Afterwards, the host usually says, look off Cheryl connections are the odd if locked the pick my brian example, you gave us there was a platform they where most people have a profile on that, which is a training platform and but that's got to be put together afterwards shed or papal sable list everybody's linked in or everybody's email address that's GonNa be put together in shades. That's all addressed up front, and also in a way that it filters through that double opt in mechanism you describe Dan. His People? So that's Yeah. That's that's a little bit locked. The Lincoln Yeah you get a request connect and you you don't connect until the other person proves it. Yeah. Absolutely. We simply really want to make it as easy as as it would pay fewer. In person and a networking event. You know once upon a time niches switch out business card and you'd exchange you contact details and so effectively way looking to simulate that and really ten. Xing. Experiences Dan described soy. Think of it as though that single link that you opt in to say, yes, I would like to exchange my. Business contact details with ten days. That's effectively use saying please pass on my business card to one hundred other people and and vice versa. So So. If you. Guess that would make the event hundred people in attendance. You would opt into. Share, your exchange, your digital business cards so to speak. and. If all hundred other AH ten days wanted to make you to night opted in three run single click a link you would receive one hundred other business cards and they would be download into your up and vice versa the ten days so. From the just eliminates that clunky process of your laving an online event and wondering. Had reach out to Sonia now which? which platform she moist engage with me too messy to site was great to meet you pick my brain or whatever event. You met and. For example live. I've jumped off and I've really had some amazing conversations with people and felt so compelled to want to continue that. Jumped on connected with Ramon linked in ten days later no response. I only find. Barely use linked in so. Three three these digital business cards that we. Have designed it. This eliminates that uncertainty. It's just the. The person is telling you how to reach them from the word go end from. From that. So that's the streamlined element of the papillon platform is just to cut out the uncertainty as to what direction to take next in terms of. Connecting. Commencing the building relationships. Okay. So the The connecting. Then afterwards once you have details of that person peppy on the connecting then happens through another platform basically. They preferred social media platform is that how it works? Not Not, necessarily it's It's more chance for you to identify way to support them. So you you really would use Papillon is the initial step of making a connection having the right information about that person, the business that they're involved and from the. Establishing, what online channels? Actually will help you get to know them better and get to know their business better if that makes sense. Yeah. This jewel combination of having. A papillon having the context victory in the Pentagon that way you can actually. See everyone's cod. Everyone's a preferred contact methods in social media platforms biddle say Papillon, itself will have its own activity fade. Way. People can save the activity of the others including updates in advance and new connections and in the like. Okay. We'll both tell us a little bit more than about some of the other features in peppy on the we haven't touched on yet. So. One of. The major elements of Papillon is the digital business cut which we really haven't talked too much about. Today. and. Really, that tool their facilitates the method of connection. However, we have attached to social networking platform to round off the whole papillon proposition because. What happens is you connect? And then what? It's just. It's a blank wall you you really don't know what steps to take next. So there's been a lot of digital business cards solutions that have made it easy to exchange contact details but. Nothing happens often that. PAPILLON By creating social network of its own within connections that actually met a to you and your. Business. is, not random connections as we've identified its papal, you actually know or have been introduced to. One of the most powerful features of our social networking platform is the is the activity fade that Dan. Mentioned the news feed where you can. Create content share content amongst each other on Papillon. Without feed, you won't be saying by your networks if that makes sense. So you mentioned earlier one of. The the value offerings we put forward is relationships over algorithms. This is an act free environment. We do not want the news fate debate jungle. If you can understand what I'm saying event. Book Price Book basically. We think that uses a copy on deserve to be saying by other deserve to be seen by those that they're connected with otherwise how else can you remain updated with who they are, what they doing, what they working on to actually help relationship bill deba and give you something. Continuing continually engage over. Yup absolutely and then. In traditional tic will talk MVP's and the lack. That's what we launching to to market. Weights and then. Once, the critical mass builds up as a whole pipeline of superficial features behind the scenes I'm not too sure Sonny's GonNa let me Shayla it's it's it. But effectively. Once you've got that critical mass, then it's going to be using that behind the scenes information to help you drive bitter and deeper connections. serendipitous connections and opportunities to to catch up into mate in a number of various different ways. That's the secret source behind the scenes. Is it son? Yeah. I guess I guess tomato that sounds a lot like what you mentioned right at the beginning of that conversation and that's the you know it's an Ebola for people to get involved in nurturing the relationship with one another. Absolutely IT'S A. We really need to bring back just the sense of community and somehow bring that into the the online space and that is. That, really will depend on the uses galvanizing around around these messages that not only us, but yourself and other people that you've also introduced us to recent times. That are really pushing that message around what connection means what does it really mean to be connected? What what is the human element of this world that we're living in look like now particularly for business We've we're moving away thankfully from being transactional in how we live alive whether it's for personal reasons. So business raisins. And Coming together as people and When you think back to it? Community, that sense of purpose is to why you do what you do Stood the test of time we now just need to make sure that message is clea at every touch point. Of how you engage with people and? We've got a lot of channels out there in the online world. Papillon is going to streamline at all. So it all comes back to the one reason, and that is you are connecting. You are using digital means to help people learn more about your date purpose what you're striving to achieve what difference you want to make. And just a very scattered environment. So papillon really wants to just streamline that. Create this central hub. That people can depend on. To. To. Determine credibility to determine Genuine and authentic raisins to to be existing in this day and age. Right. Now, Dan, you talked about the minimum viable product. So what's the launch timeline for that? Yes, I weigh unattractively launching in mid October I. At still. And and in that that point that enables us to launch the multi connect feature that people can use online in that online networking environment as well as the peppin APP. which will be the digital business cards, the contactless, the additional information about able and the active activity shade. In the lack. And where can people. Get early access or requests early access for that. October launch. Yes I at the moment we've got prelaunch campaign happening right now you can say. You can jump on Papillon Dot Com A. W. Wire Win Dot Com. And sign up for the VIP white least. Right now. Do, you have lots of people signed up already. We have after will as you're aware, we presented to the Chamber of Commerce as Alpha stored in just over two weeks ago and the receptionist incentives paying incredible. We've probably had. About of the paper, we've reached fifty percent conversion of sign ups for the White List and. awarded the email inquiries coming three foot said the discussion on feathery. Yeah, it's been quite a fun journey actually in that we launched in the local city of Geelong where we're from and and without out get that really great reception from the local business community in in that space. and. If from the that was the initial wake the initial launch and from there with started to say the the list right now we're really scratching heads is to wear these new names and email address is. Coming from like, okay. We could tell that this is the initial launch cluster and we can say that that physicians connected to that one. But Wow, where where were these other people coming from and and just even straight out again. In the first couple of weeks if the prelaunch campaign was stunning, say that virology he gained already, which is just fantastic. Yeah and I'm guessing you're getting lots of international requests to which to me the we talked earlier about the as zoom meetings and the grossing networking in. Online networking in particular through covert and at one of the great things about that I think is everybody's suddenly realizing that I wouldn't connect with people anyway, and we can have these conversations with people around the world and and if you get to talk to somebody in a different part of the world in a different country, different language, different perspectives, it just opens up so many possibilities. Absolutely and it's amazing. How many people just like yourself there are that might not be in direct area that you'd made it a local event but all of a sudden that nation's interest is a thousand similar people scattered around the world more than happy to jump on his. Co. Together. All right now. Tell us a bet some of the challenges you faced in launching a new business in times. When you know we've been kind of looked down and restricted to working from home largely. Now. That's a great one. Will we were actually ready to Keith out prelaunch marketing campaign? Round, the sixteenth of March this year and just as. Bad Art the go button. As I'm sure is historic many of us out there covid hit came along. And through a soul off track and For. US Papillon at. That time. We one of the K. messages that we were really really excited about how people could use Papillon to. To go beyond just the APPs to talk to go beyond May in person and. Really Start Cemented Inc these relationships that start off online. But. Ten to Fistula and we're like well. that. We're actually about to launch with a professionally made video. With. A high accident she walks into the screen and the first words out of a mouth. How great is it to be in a crowded room? Live isn't going to work in a go. Young full of business people connecting networking and it's like. Gee. It really was great being. crowded. Room with. The conversation's flowing in the drinks flowing as well. So we immediately had to hit the pause button on that and then came to realize Asian that. Were actually onto a winner, the digital business cards. Absolutely. the future we were preparing for these these 235-year transition from paper based business caused the digital business cards net just hit us that in this world of covid no one's. Going to want to hand it to take him you'll pay. From hand to hand the, that's just a Jimmy a today A. While to me like, oh. Wow digital business cards particularly the Papillon's design where you can just sorta flick it from one to another you one fine is is just going to be phenomenal in the networking environment of the future. But. Then the next step was. was. Well That's great when we actually are meeting face to face made her and a half apart from each other the lack. But what happens in zoom environments in that way that? Pivot. Towards the kicked connect. Seeing a feature which was originally just a a a nice to have into the future. All of a sudden became absolutely central to to networking in twenty twenty and beyond. So It's. It's been a bit of a rollercoaster ride. That's for sure. Thinking on. Oh. It's all over to going. We're on a win to. Just wait if we play play this right and provide business people with the tools that they need in twenty twenty and beyond than than Papillon is set defy yes. That's that was the big gap US soy fortunately waking think of covid is. Being really positive Twist in journey because the relevance of. The solution wake and bring to market now is is really strong than any other social media platform that exists to enable easy and fast connection when you're meeting online. Take the next step further, which is what pappy I'm was always going to help with anyway is that For businesses, it's bringing back a chance to make a professional first impression when you connect so. The, and that's where the use of A. Business Card to be destroyed, case your branding whatever K- messages that you would attach to. Make it lay elevates that sense of professionalism as opposed to just flicking off A. I'd like to join your network plays except. That It doesn't signal anything around. The fact that you actually exists your business is something and people don't get to say that in the in the current landscape so. Just, to be able to bring everything together from scattered to streamlined and just the suicide that as of connecting, get rid of the time, the noise and then. Set people off immediately on a journey to start getting to know each other rather than. Spending so much time. Where to start met some. Yeah. So I guess we're glass half full people when it comes. To covid neck of world. That there has to be a good way to To make the mice to this crazy year. Yes. Yes. You will certainly certainly has Bena bit of a roller coaster ride for must've us in a Lotta. Businesses are suffering that a relying on the in-person meeting and in person interactions and you know the transition to online. Amid it's been happening for a long time, but it's been accelerated dramatically now and you sing sing's lock them in the zoom shares gone through the roof we. Had the sense to bossom zoom shares back in March. On. So it's a wonderful thing. Isn't it? They say hindsight's twenty twenty on really show what that's meant mainly. It that's right. So Mb Gurus. or I will this has been wonderful to learn a lot more about pappy Onen will come back to the website and where people can find out more a little bit lighter What I'd like to do now is go onto the buzz, which is our innovation round, and it's designed to help our audience who are primarily innovators and ladies in their failed with some. Tips from your experience and are. Now you've busts had lots of experience background that we haven't spoken about today pre of launching or designing all coming up with Papillon as an idea and building that business. So of got five questions there, and hopefully, you'll grow on all of that experience and give us some really thoughtful answers that'll inspire ellison gone to something. Awesome today's result. Absolutely, bring it on. What do you think the number? One thing is anyone can do to be more innovative. For my liking. I think the critical thing is to. To exercise freedom. And Freedom really can can come from brought variety of sources. Most notably time and money. I think if you can will money can buy you time. Let let's face it right? No, you can. Gauge people to help you with the main tasks of getting work on until I forced to another area vom Diane's expertise getting stuff done quickly. But for me to be more. Innovative. Is You need that time and space mentally to think to explore to dream. without that, you will be to nate. In work that really gets you from a to babe does not create. A big vision for the future. Yeah I'll probably refer that just to a little bit. The lease about at dedicating that space dedicating that time and money and nets what's required that? Even if you look at Google Google from a really early days with sitting aside twenty percent of its employees time just for those innovative projects. Yes. Businesses business. Yes. You have to serve your existing customers and make sure that businesses running smoothly been unless you sitting aside those taught that time and money full innovation innovation just isn't going to happen. It's a IT'S A. Absolute Choice decision. Every business needs to make and if he don't make that decision than your business is under threat from the innovators from the disruption that will. There's a, there's a great. Book, called the innovators dilemma goes back to the. History, and it talks about excavators and. In. There was two three clearly stages of. Evolution in the excavator industry. Now, that doesn't sound very. Innovative to me talking about digging up dirt. That effectively, the innovation that went from Moving that excavators using cables, this is using them with Alex There's not a single. Leading. Worldwide leading excavation company today that existed during the cable era. Say All of these businesses that will worldwide latest before hydraulics all completely abolished because they want focusing on innovation. Yeah I, Love The innovators dilemma to Cry Book and You know I lived through the in the early days of our corporate career whereas soda had the dream job because I'm a hobby photographer I lived through the launch, the consumer digital photography, and how does film manufacturers reacted to that from the inside? And that Kanda Shut Moth Lhasa feel a little bit. And yet it's interesting. You mentioned google an example, another Google, they have that twenty percent of H. Employees Time is dedicated to a project of their own choosing and not only that the actually encourage people to leave their desk when they're working on that to go to a different physical environment within the building somewhere and I've got lots of different rooms where people can just plunk their laptop and. Work on said, actually tell them when you when you do your. Twenty percent project go to a different location that actually Mike Spice I associated different spice with the innovation project. That's genius I wonder when we should covid world maybe we should leave In to the electric. Yes, there is the Disney creativity strategy wave got different spices for the the creativity spices different to the sweat room where you you doing the. Hod Well not how you doing the the work. As opposed to dreaming up the IDEAS. Absolutely. That that reminds me programs. From Y combinator he's got the a schedule is the. Creator schedule. and. So many to schedule is the Mica scheduled in a completely different that if the win, you'll running your business and your in that management face than, yes you do have to have lots of meetings and switch from Tostitos task. But when you're in that invited spice, you really abyss to set aside a big block if time three to four hours where you can just focus on on something new and make sure that you're not interrupted by people, notifications of Fine Coles or any of those other things. Or. I know what's the best thing you've done developed new ideas. In Yeah. Well peppy on journeys coming up to three years. Now also, we have spent a lot of time just to get it to the point it has but saw one of the. Earliest, exercises that we did the I found or we both actually we both dedicated almost forty hours straight really by time to sleep. And that was to. Take. Guidance from inexperienced strategic thinker put through what you would call rapid concept workshop where. He he took out visions authorities at that point in time is to what Papillon was going to be and Jus- grilled us, your growth us on the why the purpose what difference was going to make to the people that would use the platform. Think of it as an inquisition of sorts. Really. I can't tell you how. Powerful that was to shape. Site the costs that we have been on ever since that has taken us just from having a great idea that may make some money could help some people here in the to something that. We can really shea. To to exist for the longer term to to exist to grow with the market that has been designed to serve. And That that for my liking. I think was was invaluable and really lends itself to the question. You just asked US prior to that ease that way took the time. To just bought everything else out and just focus on exactly the task at hand, the strategy that needed to be shaped to ensure the vision. Attached very strongly to a y. very strongly to a need. is to. Why anyone would want to use papillon and So. Again. If people can allow themselves to. Spend the time and pat some money where we needed. To really think through every corner of what you're looking to create. The foundation that sets is just its powerful. Yeah now is a fantastic session, very, very intense couple of days. Customers a bit of money that's for sure but it was. It was a great investment and. I believe that bringing in that third party to consult through that face was just absolutely integral having an external party that that could help us biddle. Sorry that was bringing the reality tastes to everything. That it wasn't just the two of us in a room. Going, crazy brainstorming with ideas those actually a an experienced consultant they that was guiding us through a methodology. and. inputting. Litmus test to. To. Harebrained elements of the idea. Really away from. Amongst yourselves really thinking that you're just amazing to. Was the first real test. To validate AL AL forced envisions. A love love it and we have an exercise which are kinda use a lighthouse analogy of that, which essentially goes through those sort of steps and then the lighthouse is part of. Or that the metaphor is that that's that's the law that you shining with that consistent message because you've built that foundation of a clear understanding of why you're doing. What it is, you're doing what? Exactly that is what that encompasses who you're doing it for and at a high level what it is you're doing. So I love that. Yeah And you that. Is that George Somewhat. Scheduled on, he's the one that. Took me. Took me on a journey and helped me discover that lot house metaphor he uses that in his whole marketing program yeah. Listening to that now seeing that is absolutely brilliant. It's such a great metaphor because it's like once you've got everything. Built up, then the light can projected out to the world. That's the moment when you've got a story to tell the world. And I K that's that's brilliant and. Yellow element of really left with. Wants wants the lightest projecting out to the world. Then you go to Cape It on. then. You can't be a lighthouse that's only. Opportunity. and because the ships rely on it. and. That's so important in business that that you've got to if you do hang out the shingle business. In you leave it hung out that you not wishy washy about whether it's on or off for whether you are consultant, you're not a consultant or Whatever You've gotta you've gotta be consistent that this is what we're doing and come to me at any point in time and I'm available to help. Yeah that's right and if you've done that work that you described now getting really clear bag you Y, it's the one that keeps driving you even when. You might be the environment is such that it's a little bit more difficult than it might be luckily facing right now in covid times. Right now. Assad, from Papillon what's one of the? What's a favorite resource of yours? I think. Anything that can make collaboration easy. So slack is being a very big part of allies Yeah I like the Google Jas wait his absolutely fantastic loving getting to adopt can be able to collaborate in realtime. Probably be a little bit cheeky and say that A. The last. Ten years or so I've been building our in. A collaboration platform at its used by a couple of thousand businesses across. Australia So that's and. It's a it's like a super powerful version of of trailer. So it's not bad like trailer with. Qods Job Qods bullets within realize that. Lot of collaboration these days doesn't just happen within your own tame, your an organization that goes across organizations. So we. We enable a lot of companies to collaborate with the with contractors and subcontractors. On on different projects and jobs in the lack can had a lot of success waking franchise DICTA. Roadside assistance, which is victim for roadside, assistance, facility management, and and the like and and. Also using it our events in hospitality. Businesses. At night sort of a little bit of a drink, your champagne or eight urine. We. What's that one cold? A I see. Now Websites Eko dot systems. We'll have to check that one out to. Okay. Now, what's the best way to keep a project on track? Leaving aside cove. personally my background is. Financial Adviser for the best part of eighteen years and I think the best way to Cape a project or client of on track is to manage expectations from the beginning to ensure that. Every touch point. That lades communicating the knicks tip. Cuts. Out Any gray Meta. Enables that person just to simply take stock of way that project is at what the next step requires? And just help them just put that one step forward without out with minimal effort really and I think. PARTICULARLY WITH CLIENTS Is if they're being asked to take the next step. Respect them and explain to them why why is your collecting that? That pace of information. Why these that you're asking them to pot waste X. Amount of dollars and so forth I think guy you can always eliminate shock. In terms of way, you headed with someone or a project. It just makes people much stronger in in working with you to to get to the eventual outcome. It's interesting that sort of a lot like respect you know isn't it that it's like what I'm yergin was saying about those connection requests that people make that if you adjust hitting the the same about all the time and not actually taking the time and if it to to respect other people, then you're not gonna get the respect that you want in response that if you actually do take the time in any communications that you. Okay this is why I'm communicating with you. This is the outcome that both of us can achieve at the end of the day. Then you'll get you'll you'll get a much greater a likelihood of achieving that outcome. So, Yang was the best way to keep a project on track. To respect the other people. COMES BACK to trust. I think trust is at the hot. Every successful relationship, right? Certainly. If people think you just taking them for a ride if they think that you're just abusing their time on fairly. That need to create a team to get a job done just will fall apart soy. I love to sitting expectations, lots of communication and respectful communication which comes back to the whole principle. Let papillon is built on which the human connection and relationships. Yes. Absolutely. It's it really is about having respect for each other Being mindful and courteous and Being there when matters and knowing when to just. Take a step back in and let the other person coming in and take the stage and. And play their part really does come down to. Two working together you know whether it's to get a job done or to to make a relationship better at some at the end of the day, all these elements work. For the one purpose in that. That's to achieve something and that that something is the purpose of these bringing you together in the first place. Right to focus on the purposes. Well, that's a big one. Okay, and what's the number one thing anyone can do to differentiate themselves I think pay to. This, in his book is zero to one where he talked about creating a monopoly. The A lot of people For the sake of simplicity of the lack, choose a business or market insight wearing this market May. in the saddest thing about that is that you end up. Trying to cannibalize each other and becomes a rice to the bottom in the West thing about a race to the bottom just win. A Say the in the way young pay details he's fantastic is. One of the foundation invested in Facebook in on the board there created Peletier and I think he's part of the paypal mafia that he worked alongside Elon Musk in In the lacking in creating paypal. They effectively, the there I aim is to create a monopoly from day one. Now, if you've got a monopoly that's only got. A hundred clients, but you'll the only choice the the only time if product or service that suits his hundred clients than that is a much better place to start I'm not sure bit a stronger foundation to build upon them being a major company with one hundred, thousand clients because Say That's my two cents on that. I love that. That's a really k point there, and also when you think about building relationships, you know you've got those hundred clients, your choice you can build much deeper relationships with those hundred clients and of course. When even when somebody else in comes along? Into that spice and you no longer necessarily monopoly you've already built those really deep relationships. Absolutely, and it's so funny. I say the same thing with the mosque in Tesla 'cause this one in zooms share price going through the test. I think it's tripled in Illinois on. The. Line. It's with twice as much as a the second highest. Comic. Not think that's because he doesn't see that he's making 'cause he. Sees the Toyota and Ford and Tonight who else is out there that said. These days general miters they're all competing on the same platform. Tesla is in a completely different spice and it lying in that space. That's a five ten years away and I think that the share prices reflective in that that what Toyota's got his. Ole if they legacy infrastructure knowle's as legacy systems and processes, and all that that are going to be completely defunct in five or ten years whereas in Tesla. Is a perfectly positioned for that future because it doesn't say the market is caused says the market is. Electric has a minimum of the future of human transportation. SPINOFFS had come out of that too. Absolutely. Battery Technology, which is applicable in a lot of other areas. Okay well, this is Ben, absolutely, Fabulous Sonia, and Dan of really enjoyed this lynn a lot about papillon on and as been lots of conversation around the buzzer around as well, which is based on some other experiences that you've got to share with us to really appreciate that now wakened people find out more peppy give us that website again, and also maybe where is the best place to reach out and get in touch and have a conversation if people wanNA take this further. Getting. The website is the best place. It provides a comprehensive overview of what Papillon is and what it setting out to achieve the difference it serves to make to people in business. The website is Papillon pay double pay. Y.. O. N. DOT COM. Can also follow us on instagram handle is happy on dot, Kerr and same handle on facebook. So, very active on birth those platforms to help educate and bring more awareness as to why papillon. Is. Bringing. It solution to the world of people in Business and the difference way hype we can make to them all. Right thanks for that, and we'll have links in the show starts to those those mentioned sites. Now do you have any parting advice for Ellison today? I think business should be fun. and. And one thing that's been great about the this world is that it's gone away from suit and tie ins everyone sitting around the culprit a boardroom To. Literally saying people in Kitchens on Zionism goals with the cats and the dogs running around kids screaming in the background and the re the realization that where. We're actually oh human. End So. From that perspective yes we try not to work every day to do job. Bats realized that we're doing that job with other people with the people that you're working with the people that that you collaborating with some you clients and yet your partners in the lack in step step one should be to treat everyone as individuals as people get to know them as people and then step to it's to help them get a jobs done in the most efficient and effective. Manner. If, you can do it in a way that that. Has Fun makes fun is fun than than that makes the world better place for all of us. Yes CAPE. But real. Yeah love it have fun. Makes things a lot easier to? Exactly. It's amazing. How often in Business Had Business in. Easy business. And saying how easy business can be at times you really have to scratch your head as to why some people on making it hot. So let's Let's just make it easy on each other. Yes, that's a good message rep up with. So fondly then who's someone I also need to have a conversation with on this podcast and why? had. The lack recently a founding mental by Paul Chapman who created a company Code Australian ten titles and more recently he is the founder of the Vindicate Invention in Innovation Festival and he's also, I believe founder of the Cintas optimism which I think is just proven. A. Pos being around for a few years now and the handed over the operations of he's CO business to his. To his kids but the the knowledge and experience that he's built up in those years of creating and building these business just absolutely fantastic in. And he's just being a joy with the. Pure information that he shed with this year so Yeah love to introduce you to pull. Think he's great. Aren't we'll get an introduction to pole. Yeah. I think you said you were going to give me two for one on you. I have I guess a business associate who has become a friend as many dude in my world because these about building relationships and her name is Veronica Shannon. And she's the founder of a company called Ray Tub. A T. UB. And they they've been working on transforming. Sustainable packaging for takeaway food particularly and. Now, the big element we haven't had a chance to touch on in our conversation today, but sustainability in bringing solutions for world that protects the environment saw he's really at the heart of a lot of. The decisions that I make in business in life personally and Veronica these really. Great inroads in into the world of sustainable food packaging and. And so forth, soy. I'd love to introduce you to our and Let who share his story on. The the grind divisions she has to make the world, a better place and improve. The environment and Protect the planet so we can hold prosper well into the future and. Obviously, the next generation which is. Always whatever generation is working. To leave a legacy. Leaves the world a better place and when we came into it. So I'll get the introductions to pull and Veronica from you and look forward to having conversations with both of them on the show. Thanks for that and thanks so much for sharing your time and your insights with such generously to die in the story of Papillon and some of the challenges you've had in in your initial plans for launching this covid world when covered time along. So all the best for the launch and let Stein touch. Thank you. It's been absolutely thanks. You Oregon you're an awesome connector arendal. We feel very privileged. Had the tents speak to you today and? We'll look forward to getting to know you bitter bitter as time goes on. Wonderful we'll do that. Nine. I. Hope, you enjoyed that delightful and informative conversation with Sonya and Dan and took something away from their episode. Of course I, love their focus on genuine connection and building those human connections through relationships using technology to free time to spend on the human interactions. I'd love to know what you took away from Sonia and Dan's episode. Leave a comment below the blog post which you can find at Inova Biz dot co forward Slash Papillon That is the I P P. Y. O. in. Orlando a case or one word in other Biz dot. Co. Forward Slash Papillon. Now, you contact information therefore getting in touch with Sonya and Dan as well as links to the peppy on website, their social media pages, and the other resources we spoke about in today's conversation. Sonia suggests that the we have a conversation with Veronica Shannon of re TUB on a future inova buzzed podcast episode and Dan suggested that we have a conversation with Paul Chapman of Australian turntables on a future another bus podcast episode. So Veronica and poor keep an eye on your inboxes for an invitation from us to the another bus podcast courtesy of Sonya's Beck and Dan ardell I'll. 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Ep. 248 | Residential Tenancies Act Updates that You Need To Know - Chat with Hayley Mitchell

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Ep. 248 | Residential Tenancies Act Updates that You Need To Know - Chat with Hayley Mitchell

"Welcome to the property couch where each week you get to listen to two of australia's leading experts bryce humble way of location location location australia on extols lifestyle channel and escape from the city on the a._b._c. and ben kingsley cherif property investors council of stralia and the founder of the two thousand eighteen property. The investment advisory firm of the year are facts you other forty cash-rich aubrey. Someone's gonna probably finance and money management alive alive and i think you ought about forty one business draw and all skying who happens all happens so here's what we're going to him for. Those few else is going to love these people. That's a lawsuit. We're gonna talk about forty. We're going to be going to style with clan-based on ah wrought up until the announcement of the winner after the grandfather also that's exciting on the fucking control me so why are we gonna choi for a couple of weeks conine forty ban us. I will say but it's been a couple of things before we pause gallons straight-set so probably pretty and exciting guests tonight to talk to you ben so i want to really get into that surely because it's <hes> there's a lot of really good content before we did a couple of things pippa sentiment survey slurs. Tomorrow lost closes tomorrow so if you haven't already filled out the survey please do it tonight or fraud. I lost. I so we can get those in. I'm who look. I think it'll probably be between you a million the fence snaking to the way that seat i get it done on again. All done mondovi down your jet yep absolutely all students through might might census to get down to move on place participant hikes. I lost couple wakes. We did some demographic podcasts. <hes> ransom one wants and groupings and all that sort of stuff obviously has put together some really great free reports yep <hes> dan reliable consume it. You'll asia show nights facebook all that sort of stuff so don't check in as you do every month yup. You've done an manson. Check that out better beside ninety interest. It's been but you also go on economy. Well look. I the panty night of noise at air so we got to separate the facts from the fiction and coming up on answer. We've got someone who would love to talk about. The promise you huge guests got a huge guest side. We got this huge. Guests coming up and we're going to be why some gifts we do. We've got some amazing a little surprises for out to fifty th including mega guest so i'm looking forward to that one yup siwa well worth hanging around with us and aw just before we move onto your mindset in abrazos pete wargin we've done so that was last week but it's full of the members. It's available on the pickup. He got website so it'd be pi membership. That's going to be an evergreen webinar there that you can take and having listened to continue education journey with another one of the shopping chapas minds shopping online so for five bucks to get access to the fit and kim folks i am thanks for those people who turned up in some of the questions we got on the not so appreciate appreciate that for all those who chained up what am i on. Today is courtesy of one of boys jake moon. Oh sent just two minutes. It's a story of the twenty dollars in the n._b._a. So professor max basma and always starts the first diocese harvard m._b._a. Class the same way he holds up a twenty dollar bill and office it up to auction for the class yes to rules for the auction number. One beads must spe- made in one dollars increments for that twenty dollars bill office. So if you're on the tornado you can beat in increments of one rule number two bed the and his miss this rule. You missed the entire case a doll in folks if distracted or on row number two the runner up must honor their ebb. Id meaning that although the winner will take the twenty dollars bill office the second place finish to must pie the loss bid beat he or she made but receive nothing in return so that's strategic <hes> landed yep. I involved in this before so i know what's going on. What professor benjamin is doing here is teaching his hobbit n._b._a. Students have to negotiate off the patent is always the same. He explains the bidding. He starts at fast and furious until it reaches the twelve to sixteen dollar range being sixteen bucks. The person who did fifteen bucks to less the pie. I been no. That's why that's where it's a bit messy now. This is the point when is with wakened wills start to drop out meanwhile lock most to would candle the last two students get locked in banal or would have been worried about you and make we're to go onto a million bucks just to the we're not twenty dollars but see we got one b has been sixteen dollars and the other seventeen the sixteen th nam must be eighteen does or suffo- sixteen don't offs no other student wants to be the full who paid good money for nothing. This is when students exhibit the same behaviors many people trying to buy acela if you're wondering where the link is august i can't be committed to a strategy that is not geared towards winning but rather towards trying lose in behavioral economics is called loss aversion which refers to the strong tendency of people to avoid loss rather than the acquisition zeeshan of guy or corn guy very powerful motivational force. Some studies have shown that the perception of loss is psychologically fifty percent more powerful then pursue. Let's see guiding combine this version with cognitive dissonance which is an easy to cite the tendency of people to reject evidence that is contradictory to a belief and the effect on the bottom line can be devastatingly costly been so embezzlements harvard m._b._a. Shoots will continue building beating twenty one one dollars twenty two dollars fifty dollars off one hundred dollars. Remember the bounty zoning for a twenty dollars bill up to a record of two hundred and and four dollars wow indeed in all the years president has been teaching. He has never lost a penny of that twenty dollars bill but he does how's donate all the proceeds to charity or that we all had attended specimens class on negotiating in real life and specifically real center. I've seen people wife thousands of dollars and incurred incalculable anguish frustration and hottest for fear of losing the sella's my reject multiple office or if you use to reduce the list price all in the wall ignorant of the carrying costs of the property by on the other hand martin months of excruciating commutes or marital stress rather than pay a penny more than they think the property is worth now. That's a point. I want to see that saw often with that team on the way they're saying to people yep we get but if you give us an extra seven thousand does we'll give you next weekend back interest in next weekend so that's part of the discussion that we're having leslie sella's is more acceptable low offer the necessary in boys mod iva pie for perceived drain house while ignoring alternative principles the hanging there almost finished honest how can avoid void making costly seemingly illogical decisions are recommend that before entering into any important negotiation look a real estate transaction. You should have a very clear idea of the costs by financial and emotional. You'll incur if you do ragent agreement professional guy go shade is cold this your best alternative live to a negotiated agreement in brett's bat nha by investing a small amount of time and energy and understanding your batman you can better access your reservation process or the point above bobble on which you will not go in negotiation if professor basim and students all took the time to understand their batter the cost of that twenty dollars bill would never exceed exceed a few dollars seeming albeit on a much grander scale. If you understand your batman in your next real estate transaction you will avoid making decisions. What's that are contrary to your long term interest in broths <hes> off saying that <hes> damaged in a couple of asians <hes> there's also national geographic ah show i think it's called brian games and i do assign sort of thing in a pob the twenty donna and the same thing. I got up to forty dollars and it's two guys going and a whole lot to me. The irrational behaviors that are experienced professionals get it not because they studied it. They're doing waking way cat in makes exp perfect sense to me but the person who's buying one house every seven to ten years and they're playing with a hot heads. Irrational behavior is a real the thing inside these types of live environment auction perfect example the live environment. You got to what happens in this case. She's i'm that's why dummy beads and not knock at beads and all that playa role in this negotiations because what's trying to do is snap them out of the irrational mind into their rational minds. I hang a bat. He doing just also hall lots. The power of you've used a professional who actually understands what's going on here so that they know who knows the batter the alternative to negotiate a degree <hes> so that is why because at the end of the day you're having one taught will move from one person's ninety now la in a transaction the water these is actually not that difficult but all the nuances and the monster that gets into what do you mean in terms of me. I have a great proc- you'll get it full and then what you stretch ah i'm that has to be st- setting stein before you woke up there then you'll mind should hopefully stay in a rational state as opposed to moving into an irrational we said three processes been across we wouldn't <hes> that would be great to pick it up under very minimal competition yeah the second process the process that we will <hes> pipe with with expected competition and then the third prices what's the stretch point that takes into account everything that the professor was talking about <hes> not only the financial caused the emotional cost that comfortable and also the fact that if you miss it this way doesn't mean it's cheaper next and in fact it means. It's harder to fall next week and you probably gonna pummel animal. That's the conditioning isn't at in in regards to you know try to people to understand that the very first property you look at kobe an absolute beauty not and then the property after that might not be as good as that forever trashing atoll but you went emotionally there yet because you hadn't gone on jay. You haven't had that experience. Well <hes> particularly at him. We're gonna lodge time so we're seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of properties. Everyone will get get forming a mental database collectively collaborated again so that we can actually so we know what the bet nor is correct <hes> usually usually within an instant baton orbin. I'm good job. I think that is a great great moments. It minute boss gets gripe. Five minutes spent on building knowledge so it's a compliment sought swat. That's just the ballots at upside. We could save but thank you on appreciate your feedback high look. We've verse special guest tonight. Her name is highly mitchell. She has a property management business. In jong for those people not in victoria that is <hes> almost oyston <unk> out of one but he's technically regional and she's also passionate about training people say first of all welcome to the property catch charlie yep been last highly to come and join us on the couch because racing lake coming to the office and spoke to entertain about the legislation changes that up plant here in victoria and it was very very insightful and also <hes> there's a real good opportunity to share it with the with the probably catch audience because not only is it relevant to victoria but the mood sort of the legislation's carrying rock. We've mentioned it on the recently about w i a gone through this process. Everyone's everyone's going to go to bring subject matter expert in who's been a property manager for an extended period on strike to get all all the gold and i'll tell you what a little running. If there is a lot of challenges what was it a hundred and thirty changes correct portrayal these challenges and summarize it has been mentioned there and we're going to make this available to alison's in the show nights you can click on and so you'll of your hardware preterm. How long did tell you to changes that was to lake so satisfying and i cross reference to current legislation against what he's he's proposed in the bill and they winterless say i've ever foams as well say chokehold wakes of sitting down writing the nearly five hundred page documents oregon in been there would have been the shoulder designedly less than a handful of people who've done that yeah. There's a couple of going around but i think look the lawyers. We're going to go through rock. Oldies ultimately going to be tested at some point in time and this is what always sighing sighing last year when we spoke to avant iran this is my jerusalem. We cannot make it any clearer to our listeners that this reform is significant and it does have serious ramifications vacations for anyone who owns property in victoria who has gone to let their property up as well as obviously the fall through. That's gone into new south. Wales and queensland is has gone through that process wish mistrial going to get that so what we're talking about is implications wrought across charlotte. If you're a property investor your landlord you have have legal responsibilities important responsibility so i'm really thrilled that we're going to get a little bit technical. We're gonna go through this too. Just hall lilacs some of the changes that are going to be my in eligible because it's it's passed this guy once i work at how to implement some of these crazy the audience that they thought that anyway so back to that point out here for highly benefit that she spent two weeks cross-referencing. She's not suggesting anything here is a <hes>. Go and get legal opinions. This is just her express opinion but always i've been very well informed opinion yea putting that the disclaimer benefit the it's a very highly off the top. What do you recommend that most landlords due to go and talk today probably manages and they get their insults in this area and what's old or we're expected that probably manage is going to be proactive and start informing their property managers are starting to really look at it <hes> however on many group property advantages on facebook canoes over ten thousand listen and a couple of faithful put up by say going. We're not even going to worry about it till it comes in <hes> and for me i would rather know exactly what's coming so it can actually inform my clients because if a client calls them and says hey what's happening with these he can't turn around and go. I don't worry about it till next year. It's not gonna really meadow. Massive impact on your property managed to be proactive alexa coming to you as the landlord you're going to have to go to your property manager yep and just get a heads up where there and also in our some of the information that flu shots tonight as well and the other thing sorry you can <hes> hold onto consumer physique story on facebook and anything that they have coming of post. They're all the time for the update high. Just before we get into the citizen he is so you've been involved in the property the industry for how long and our cabin he said i love probably property management all of the legislation gonna help help get a bit of a suits. I've fainting real estate twenty years so i fainted property manager of my own business sold my radio show <hes> couple of years ago and then stop in new orleans along now so i'm a director of that particular business plus. I've got my training events companies well so awesome and i am getting several properties icon of cover a lot of the it's always a challenge all of papal snorter properly. It's about people and i don't cocoon seat in a row where i just sat down in a chair and that's all i detail dialect this morning. I was out at my business in geelong went out and scan to property so i did a three day tour and then i was back in the office. I did the banking. The emails like every day is different cy. I think he's someone that just likes to go to have a really regimented role and be out of follow it through everyday. It's not for you because you get throwing curveballs time but i love the challenge so let's let's. Let's let's kick. This off. Been has been in sort of talking on behalf of big sometime changes. What about these changes was the one that surprised you the most <hes> <hes> it's probably not one that anyone else would have picked up initially when we seven artist to vacate honor tenant. There's one which we use which is an indoor fixture tendency so for tendency of less than six months at sixty day tendency molin six months since ninety diagnosed vacate. They've changed it so they've restricted to the initial laced terminally so what that will mean for property investors is if you have a tenant that say for twelve months and then you race on them to any fixed term lace he can along the us that night just to a victoria tennant so what i think that's going to do to marketplace will the governments tried to bringing safe secure long-term housing tenants or renters. I should say <hes> is people. Stop vacating their tenants every twelve months because once he go posse chalets term. It's going to be really hard to vermont and i think that that was probably one of the silliest ones that they've included. I don't know if you guys the great cars and the other thing is we're losing one hundred and twenty day no reason nighters which i i fully expected within lose that i thought would still have at nine hundred eighty two as a get out of jail break out and we don't so it's gonna be really hard to get tendency al unless there's a great shoal i they want to sell the property or something like that and i think we do need to this part of the state government's agenda. I mean just just just have a look at the subtle changes that we're talking about here. So landlords iras were not be called landlords anymore that will be called. Residential rachel recommended retail prostitution pay recommended residential rental provides suck and tenants when along the co tennis. I'll be called ranges which is interesting. <hes> the rain the tendency agreement we called the residential rental rental agreement so making subtle changes in a move to to to effectively give more power to the tenant which they're gonna kick landlords usa over at the end of that. Someone is the asset and i think think that's being lost a little bit on the big bullied always having that sometimes laws need to be reformed when indicate it fair and reasonable that pendulum alcohol is talking about getting the balance. I think the balance has gone to fire in the other direction on different things they need to be reformed but we'll we'll get into that as we guys for awesome aww let's let's tap into a couple of edition. We'll go through with autoclave urgent. Repairs say the change there is air conditioning will become an edge or pay so it doesn't mean that a landlord needs to put it in however i if it easy and it does for governor and no surprises air i i'm surprised at that's yanni hotpot is trying to get electricity natta the heping forty degree with off that anyway we'll work with that one <hes> the other change series every property in victoria is gonna you have to have written rental minimum standards that i have to adhesion and at the moment say i've as given us the least of what they proposed to minimum standards are don't think any of the material i norris but it seems like <hes> functioning hater in the main living area <hes> die furnishings in the main living area and bedrooms or anywhere expected the vs disobeyed jerry adequate hot and cold water in the kitchen bathroom and laundry <hes> the property has to be secure so you can't getting to alexis this wonderful ones they all sync food preparation area kuptana oven and the one that they've mentioned is a vermin-proof been. You look at that and does that mean. We have to make sure we've got cancelled means late so does that my main we have got to mike show ago to buntings and get little beans forever owns kitchen. I mean i haven't it really giving us any more information. I don't think any advisor really i know our son and i love it. It's just to make sure that we actually do adhere to those minimum human standards after fisa july twenty twenty. I think that's good. It's a it's something that people will get caught napping. The property hopes yeah <hes> what's the minimum standard for the heat up well. That's signed to pay for it catering the vacuum mind but dining install it yet because we might get writings that we need to impeach her as well when you vote somebody now that doesn't actually went through with the writing. It's interesting. We have friends. Giants cousin has just recently moved to melbourne in europe and i only have to the split system hate us in the living aaron. They've got a bit it blew up and the landlord an old hasn't replaced it very calm believing can potentially be willing but it's quite difficult now. If you go in there is what ivan which is also also the signing before and we've had this conversation before about slum lords. We don't want any landlord to be a slum but what what's happening. Here is even if the conditions over property a- as as soon as as received that's changing cray decided no longer. Will you be able to present a property that might be in a rundown state. We'll that's what it's priced for correct and actually has to be and that was something that is actually in the neck now so it was a supreme court case back in two thousand and sixteen shields this deli balists and it set a precedent back in the vacate act regarding. You know what an owner it has to do. Regarding maintenance has properties so for example yo -ducted hating system and so now recommended that if it's not going to be fixed before we advertise it you go to actually remove it including redux dachshund everything control that alone will because you actually can't contract it out of enact at of alesi coincide with tenant advertising these property tonight. It's going to be repaid. I'm putting the lace because he can't contract landlord judy atrophy yet so anything that's not liking so so i have friends has the fix it yep yep even though martaban prosecuting with that's that's not a cheap exercise to artful again for the win as people as they balling properties have some awareness around what impact -ducted hating is it is expensive. I'll tell you this now. There's been some updated disclosures that native into into before <hes> before we go to the group yeah so some of as all any pick out one because it's one that will affect people who are sometimes decides to put the property on the rental market getting also the same time or they might have son authority with sally night agent to sell the property in a month's time organized a contract of sale with this lisa if they have then i do need to disclose that legally to attendant before the tenant signs of lace if they don't disclose it to a tenant and the tenant funds out that they've already organized contract of sallow alyssa thirty four days nights and break they lace streaming in some cases the landlords in a position where says look i read an ad in a quick period then you can sell it for me so so in that particular case it sort of signing the copy all the all the information provided in the tendency agreement should basically early side. I probably used potentially going to be option right but if you take out the latest name be withdrawn from tat. That's the next challenge. It is a probably must be advertised at a fixed rates women and they sons interesting. It's got two points of penalty fines which could be associated to these funds so the first one as it an agent must all must have the property affixed amount so he counts. I offers over three hundred or three two three twenty awake the penalty font on these monies <hes> sixtee- steve penalty units and a penalty currently one hundred and sixty five dollars and twenty two cents so it works out to just under ten thousand dollar fine the other part of disease <hes> around solicitation nation of rental beads as well so <hes> you can't <hes> basically take a high of p._d. Beat on property. If attendant comes up to an open there's i five people there and they love it. I come up and say how can i get these property. Hunt around say well often frog bucks awake however if attendant pops and extra five dollars lake on the application you can absolutely except us but you can't go back to the other applicants and tell them that you've got a higher because he can't solicit or otherwise by an offer of rain that he's high than the impetus. That's that's interesting and that's also ten thousand dollar fine to all the best selling so let's replay that in practice since so once tenants ranges understand these they still going to potentially put a blonde offering and if they really want the property the answer stopping that from happening because that's supply and demand that's leading an open marketplace perform is it should perform but effectively you cannot and will not disclose that so each location is received on its merits and it's basically information is locked taught down. We just got to be really careful because i think that's one way that we challenge pretty quick. That'll be tested. I locked the idea that effectively it's still still an open market so there's going to be an education process from the tenant side as much as there is going to be an education process on so if if the property manager was saying to advise mike statement of fact to attend to have all the way if you on probably hi there will be some type of pamphlet that you would get checked by inventory. Are they or something like that that you could say he's an information pamphlet with the new laws changes. Here's as an example. If you only make central because one hundred thirty i china's not going to be gone through every one of them to that and and you know some of the most significant so if i think landlords tenants for that matter should be i guess what kind do any beating anymore so the avatars process serandon ninety dollars wake rain on training and then we'll get there probably a great tannin slow because it was followed by the people look bicycle. Put an application russian and your wife wasn't marketed world. Someone put four hundred dollars but then the latu well yes they are now and so it's it's kind of sis education and so the next one is around maximum bond. Yes how currently we can take a high bondi for properties over three hundred fifty one dollars awaking rent and this is going to change to cross the median rent for victoria which currently stands at seven hundred and sixty lake so if you have a rental amount that's more than seven sixty like you we undertake undertake a high bond on the property above seven six men and but yet usually usually five or six weeks. The highest bond. I ever took was eight weeks and it was a four thousand dollar week. Property it was breath sounds pretty clear next section forty four regarding rental increases so that now i'm coming on the nineteenth of june the c._e._o. So we can only increase the rent every twelve month period so it used to be six monthly now. Every twelve months jobs version of the bed. The rent's really don't fluctuate quickly anyway and his property manages. We didn't want to review the rents every six months ago. We can't do anything count do anything so a lot of our will sit to annual daniel anyways so i don't think that's a big disruption at all. I think it's good for o. Potties on six hundred sixty three cape and leave premises reasonably claim the current legislation salaciously escape. We've raised nably clean. I think it's really important that landlords are way that there's different standards berezovsky claimed yeah so we bought off into vaca- recently for cleaning on a property and and a <hes> member actually said to the person performing because we can sit in here other cases that that looks reasonable to me few cobwebs and the fact that it wasn't shiny that it had you you know you can tell what marks and that sort of thing and sculpture moles raise me claim for tenant and it's fake hits expectation that a landlord should bring it up to raise coin rating <hes> which means that an expected to put the hand in their pocket to bring it up to a state for the landlord fellow new tenant to move into so a lot of landlords don't understand that and if we ever have to go to vacate cleaning we get told by the vaca- members that all i expect moaning lockdown <hes> so tenant an arena is expected for the hand in their pocket bringing up to racial standing for the tenant photo so shortly before were highly about going in and doing three sixty. We've had the guys on from four recently and they great. That's great so we're getting high-resolution. Images in three inches of the properties are bicycle you sign. You've got to almost brain you. Sparkling unclaimed property yet for the expectation now is that the landlords will have to do the commercial claim or the spruce up clean in addition to what attendance astonish costa rica yeah potentially so all attendant is expected to do when vacate is a saturday morning down not even the avenue which could be typed on by don for two three years yeah the there's no expectation for them to be can you into your agreement all well. It goes back to earth prohibited. Sorry he will be when the new act comes into play the talking about cleanings. I may be required if it's being required throughout the tendency. It's see i've as gutter reform number twenty two where they talk about this <hes>. It's it's really tricky. Cleanings always find that really hard one to get it may pack kosonen so the rent will and grace. I truly believe for instance gonna go out because as challenges agenda always going to summarize what we've just learned to i on there is no doubt that all of this carries a cost the cost he's not going to be shed between the landlord and the tenant so i would expect rents to go up and even if it's every twelve months that sort of maxine to me at the end of the day this is a compliance manager in compliance stu coming to ply expect pirates simple and i think that with the whole cleaning theon rental premises eight some we're actually going to get a guidelines around what base as recently clean what base as paper and today <hes> what's is in danger mentioned maintenance or pay so they're getting scotland's around delays grey areas that we currently work with under the act <hes>. I just know from gonna line of ak- if i'm going for claiming it's a really hot. Toss together your off time these consumers as victoria just to remind listeners in victoria and in the victorian civil administration lab is consumer visit victorious and <hes> the point of this if you are living in victoria. It's very very helpful for you to know what becoming the timeliness start having a look at some of these changes through through they didn't get the ninety nine on narrows and kohl's raw one that and that was the big thing in new south lyle y.'all side liberal party got in library in here earnings vowed his blah blah. Blah renta's whatever that looks like for leaving the city. That's the strong voice. That's where the political political tensions are the liberal party where i go to do some some reasonable reform. They've got an interesting one and as about domestic vence so it's the landlord responsibility to cover the cost under domestic violence so if someone which again horror horror situation shen that someone has to go and report police officer they'd had a domestic violence incident and they can get ahead of the allies now are now it's obviously going to happen and that's a dog on society or in terms of their but what about the ones that would just play in the guy get analyze all he's scared. He's gonna hit me. You know we're going to have always false climbs into so again. Nothing's easy or perfect but these are the sort of unintended consequences from the soda change now beta standing up this sit down the small volume up section sixty four modifications to rented premises. Why an elephant elephant in my backyard attendant we just need to understand and i would say to modifications. What does that mean. The main concrete the backyard to clean the elephant podins in the backyard just hose it and as opposed to we just need information behind this. I think the problem with the modifications and to be honest. I don't know whether we worried about or not because we actually don't know what the prescribed list so until we get that. We really don't know how they interpret. Bops attendant rinta. We'll be out of mike prescribed modifications with apple landlord's consent so wait no about egos. No one will know about it till we go there and over retain go oh really we've got fifteen pitcher who on that wall new t._v. Bracket of shelving units like but we don't know what we're going to be given the other part of v._c.'s anything other than that attendant does have to get written permission to do it and a landlord must not unreasonably withhold consent to giving them permission. There's a few different areas where they could be changing visa for property. You'll get a move into the property or something like that <hes> but it then goes into the fact that if attendant does wanna make modifications so property that not prescribed we can actually take a top up bond which we actually don't have a disposal at the moment sorry are all of a sudden on kononov hiding the modifications to the fact that we can actually take top bond equivalent to the restoration at the end of the tendency so attendant says i wanna pop open air conditioner say. Will i want you to leave it. They exit can obey increased maintenance cost me featured us i yes he can put it up but require you to remove it and restore the premises at the end that would cost thousands thousand bucks top and at the end if you don't restore it. I'll use that money to do so cohen since wound coming in hell no way that we're gonna have to vacate to get that pot the bonders in which case china mike. I will go to make it to get it. There's a cost of which probably assigned to coast to higher rates. If you're listening regulators die mike is going to vacate it because we'll just pass on the cost lettuce organize it throughout professional lawson's professional property manages and you'll say being done and then. I think it's got the right balance. Silence definitely locked in terms of being out of rice for restoration works. You've been doing this. What are your observations awaiting. That's all that happened. Reasonable view then where's the point of tipping off a huge issue with that because my st- wrenches don't want to put money into a property. I've probably had used to have property managed. Attendant wanted pudding corn and the owner win half half had tenants that in the positive wanted for kittens or little things like that. Do you have a tenant putting new kitchen wants out but anyway and yeah that was good but what was actually good because he only got the fray kitchen cabinets never actually took right except at the tendency when the tenant cold and said i'll just go to work out costs the kitchen now said no. No you signed off on it. Two years ago. I remember i found a bit of paper and cinta tony guys would save the government documentation in intact but it was really funny if you look at it any modifications and ah attendant competitor in house black on concerns you know so it depends on what we get with at least sixty sixty-five judy in relation to the purposes yes. This is another one this has got <hes> currently zero penalty unit fine and it's going up to sixty minute fine which is just under that ten thousand ormoc so basically it's it lands juicy to make sure that on the diets grade ten it takes ocupation for property the property's reasonably claim going back to the reason explains scenario and bike and so i always at a vacant four amis roy and i'm out of china's stance on it now but the member actually the time that was doing the training for the vacant for i'm actually said it is our recommendation not to lace out of property prior to the current vacating because you may breach the studio which is a landlords g._d. Actual properties handed over raise mclean in vacant because if your current tenant doesn't move out or returns it in disgusting conditions to have time i'm to get clean is then you breach landlords judy. No one really worried about tax so no penalty unit fund the going up to ten thousand dollars sixty penalty minutes. Some some people will be worried. My recommendation is just make sure you go enough we in between tendencies and have claimed his own stand-up standby so that you can drop a hat hat so you can get it ready for new tenants but that's slightly concerning that one and socio show that you're gonna say this what you might tell china the value of having a property manager versus doing yourself but also have property professional corporate managers connected with the raw might things happen quickly enough and now is the the nuances of the legislation record out if you pay nuts you probably manager leaves a human's two o'clock real humans if you if you're selling property or buying a property will renting appropriate will moving out of a rental just have some decency to because you would be done by and just clean it and mike it presentable as you would want your place to be presentable. Process doesn't only me that that people look look at those types of things and nighttime advantage of these types of clauses around reasonably cleaned. I mean we gotta vacant. We get the landlord goes to vacate nice. I i'll yeah well. That's reasonably claim within executives. I'm condition of the next person comes in and you've told me it's reasonably claim whereas all would have done a nas being beautiful klein for that nip it just creates can't pull behind young people take advantage of these types of clauses and now you should speak up more better. I think you don't think so section sixty. I talks about the a another judy to maintain purposes yeah so regardless of amount madam ripping paid <hes> the character nitra french and france's and if y- even if attendance was aware of disrepair before signing up for the tendency they can basically ethically moving to your property at two fifty weeks eight for example <hes> and pilot two fifty a week and then serve you as a messy prepare bill night us and you've go to do sit in a matter for pays and then i still signed up at two fifty awake so they could be fully aware that it starts tendency. The blondes went great. The kitchen covington seven students up properly the tiles coming loose in the bathroom like a whole range of stuff inducted hating units waking wouldn't be fixed and you're you're not gonna fix. He didn't want to demolish profiting tobon time and attendance property developers that one big one so what this is gonna do. It's gonna stop property property developers putting their properties on the max. I show periods of time while they wedding plans and pivots all dow put the properties up to how do work work to them beforehand and get a high rental because you can rent it out and they stuck there on the two fifty awake twelve months and you ain't gonna twenty grand bringing up to a reasonable standard that one's tricky applying trying to halt pathetic so professional tenant legislation so they find an the inner city area and i've talked to convenience. The proximity of the property is an established time. It's probably thirty or forty years old at monterey. I had it slash renovation in the south still going to function kitchen but not grind or anything like that happens still close company robbing a little as you say the couldn't so all all of a sudden this professional attendant walks in and basically has a demand of thirty things that i want fixed which is gonna cost the landlord around five to ten thousand dollars. What he's he's the you know. This is the first lease that have just moved in what actions can have instead of a professional who's going to guide me for this entire program waterslide all of this new show if attendance to repair notice and then <hes> went to vacate because even the repays vacant commend saad whether they ordered initially the repairs use of suitably qualified person and even pay compensation to the tenant which is that's a brand new section under that and so if that happens you have to and then in terms of the ninety nine dollars period would apply app given it's the finish ten and and was in the first period not necessarily they first time period would could still enforce that yeah so you do the ninety day term coincided with the end of the state or does say slightly after invading. I say how that one plays out so yeah. That's that's what you could just be aware that any notice that you have on a ten inch of a kite underneath legislation the tenant can give you four hundred. I return notice irrespective of into blade ice us. We're gonna get through events section seventy seventy one random. I keep a pet. This is brain. You took all the grass at exit the concrete because because it's just a little bit easier on my cat had elephant in the backyard on me concrete because it's non-structural and a lot of pet and it's when i have an elephant i'll be mutual still in alpha from so the act is currently solid on pets so the only way we can enjoyed anything about pets now is he fake causing damage nuisance or endangering the safety of the night. I'll say tenant can apply for the trumpetings. Am you get into the property. They have no pets plus property trumpeted pets and then the drives fast as as the cat in front window <hes> if causing damage jason says absolutely nothing you can do about let's say under the new legislation actually join us back on the tenant to doing the right thing. Sula tenant will need to apply for the pet <hes> festival tendon. Can i keep the pet and the property the written permission of landlord or a vaca- todo sinus to hit the tenant must apply to have the pit uniform approved by the director of consumer affairs victorious. I basically pinup location foam. The tenant feels out the pet application form hands it to the agent. The agent end has fourteen days. He's to respond to that if i don't respond to it within fourteen days it's a seem consent so it's automatic consent so if you ignore it and think it's going to go wildly as as for monkey can't contact them that foreign days has lapsed. Its content the alapat here in order to decide not that pet. You need to apply to vacate to say no to that within fourteen days so that's lodging. You're a we're arguing whether or not that was an example of we i can't have you can't have a dog amon on new polish floorboards with on click pause or whatever it my little walk and i can destroy floorboards just in their whites and that particular property so vacate will decide whether or not their tenants landscape pet all the <hes> the pet gets excluded so doesn't cancel a tendency excludes a pitch from tendency <hes> the other part of it if we think the tenant taping a sneaky pit so we under routines things like that so they probably locked in the back seat of the car while we go through into our retains which does happen <hes> then you think they came in a snake pit we can also apply to catch remove pit which at the moment we can't do anything about gonna have evidence obviously so they kept a loop so you know the character for property the the quality susan fittings whether that particular pet is suitable for that space delayed and look at things like whether there's any <hes> i call it with a it's like a tenants at pitt for medical reasons anxiety flaring during carey story <hes> and then they will basically say the pet can stale head has to guard if i give you an order excluding from the premises i'll give you dighton which pet stray raved if the pets not removed by that said dacian fourteen days has passed since the author has taken effect at the twenty the twenty eight day notice to bike item so so so as long as there's also the closing there that says i laud i didn't have it because they're going to do is an ear on didn't didn't tell you but we're not going to apply and then they all can they've come on. It's the spirit. Of what else are you going to do. You know i'm not going to trust you tate's that particular property also the other thing is if i have said yes okay the pits allowed but there is an extra bond won't for dole or an extra bone for on because if we go back to the bond maxim bond anything i've assume sixty away it's going to be hot on rather than three fifty lundin less bond and and go right away into grad wanted it so i can't get it that way or you can have a pit well. I'm gonna the twelve months review and i'm gonna affect it at him to my i the replacement cost of all the way take it's accelerated with the dog running around catching actionable at the six and seventy two talks about urgent repairs edgerrin pets so we'll just go through this thousand under limit has been removed but it actually state citing hundred hundred different sections so that's fine we will invest tenants within seven days of edgerton. Adjourn pays so satanic calls. The plummer said i not because the toilets balked plumber comes out. I'm blocks toilet. Tenant pays in five hundred bucks cash nature abyss tenant within seven days is currently folding voting days marquette on him. They can judge because hundred dollars can spend with steiner's brush you my plumber yeah. We want to go on satine. Can you fix as you uh-huh can all let me give you an invoice of dollars to come by szekely argest urgent repair old yep and all being abused as usual what else i say the tenant saw it on that one toke these blocked up and there is a risk of health old wellness or whatever that might be you do want prompt attention to that but you want to you got to get that balance rod and having this i mean if that is the case so i would like to say that the property manager which would have normally relationship with tribes people those people go and it's all done through those raw channels because they've got a credit it would. How would you know i wouldn't allow them to have their own pravada. So you gotta go through one of the registered providers from the property pretty manager because you have that yes so under on actually concerned about that i i should contact for agency will not currently it via agency since twenty s and they may an odd assad what's urgent what's not and our economic onto nonsense at a time i can tell them get fixed on monday so there's no cost to tenant or landlord dating lie so i think it's those agencies that join have a good repairs prices in place so as he says you have to call us wait assad yup i never do they. Just call us a- and that's what i'm saying is for this. If i beat the entry of rented premises recommendation to property manages the mayan he's run get onto electric service i get to electric laces and it means service requirement for postage comes down so intrigued french had premises it's going henry forty-eight hours and i just the lacing improv inspections so lacing private and all afa so all of which is actually going to be included in the act whereas at the moment the act-actually exist prospective tenant so technically if you want to do an inspection went college under the act so that sending per event it's going to be minimum seven days notice for advertising photos videos the sale of properties which is again fantastic so we don't have anything that covers us violent so if attendance reluctant to let its three <hes> it's often hard to get the permission under section and it's going to be <hes> same fit landlord. Judy tenant vowed to comply family violence minimum twenty four hours seven days notice for valuation and retaining fictions. I just be aware of that for people that are talking to values uh-huh if we need to get a value a thorough property neo four j subjects finance closed on a sale and it's going to be minimum seven days plus postage to even and get thrown into that inspection good luck on your fourteen days off all the financial institutions broadening it up soon simpson how you proceed in your pilots have rate caught it grams of injury sixty ninety six games so that's the one with the prospective tenant tenants so prospective tenant's <hes> going through inference fiction or providence fiction and sales as well <hes> and that's the advertising tossing fight is on video cassette one <hes> the other thing is one most change to grants of entry is going to the outer goes in the last twenty one days tendency whereas the moment we can on the guys who are in the last fourteen days up to twice a week so basically if attendant gives us notice of intention to vacate the twenty eight days way going to be out of going through we six times over the last twenty one days tendency whereas at the moment we can negotiate our in the last fourteen days so it's actually improve yeah connection to eleven talks matters considered wise vaca- depreciations fun one depreciation. He's taken into a canopy cut now. So basically you have a <hes> property with eight year old carpet and when the tenant moves in the company's absolutely immaculate. It's like it's never been stepped on. <hes> tenant moves in. I move out twelve months later koppitz trash. If you go to remove it you can't claim to remove it and chuck it out. If you catch trying climb that carpet they'll look at it and say it's lived through it slots than they full. You get novelli. We get nothing for it so they're actually rushing that into the legislation. It's currently not covered but it will be a after next year the other the thing is break. You'll click your mouse question so in other words. It's basically signing that as it's is trashed you'll still going to have to replace. It and you can't put that on the tenant because you've already had value for that period of time and that's rached. It's effective life span. Is everyone getting the message here about the value of a very good tenant. You're proud if someone is has proud and that's that also comes is back to buying honor occupier. Appeal property doesn't across in terms of if you bought property investments that are in good areas where you get potentially tenants it also a really true in terms of if they're in a location that has status in a high appeal and i wanna leave the net community but i wanna have presented has and they'll take care of things as opposed to some people who wanna trade university dormitory but the thing is that these things have been changed to my actual people out marginalized but they're going to get further marginalized laws by the fact that she is going to kick in and say oh well. It's all things being equal. It's let's tenant profile whose l. audio tenant and so so the margin laws are going to be really hard for tenant skip property term. It is well. That's interesting because you're going. That'd be prejudged unfortunately under this just thinking to get to that. They're going to be prejudged because it's like well. Geico your long term tenant. You have now aspirations to anaheim. I'm going to do some fear that he on your story just to say how would you would in terms of your difficult ten in a way that you're going to be part of investigations that occur before they get an opportunity to rent interesting or what his his big one which is six naughty one reduced period of notice of yes i by ali. If i use of vacate on tenants sixty extended i notice or ninety day exterminator sonner tenant and the tenant all things like of attendance off across the combination or director of housing or anything like that they can basically give you a fourteen day notice to vacate irrespective of so basically you seven is to vacate for the property vein sold the old you expect money or rent up until the date of settlement which is the end of state for argument's sake. The tenant can give four days ten. I just started that night a say you who'd be that rent for safe forty five days just way that once you serve at night us basically they can move out for days so then we move onto six five years or more so let's talk through. Yes sorry that's in now so basically a rinta can <music> out for five as well vice agree. We saw up to a five time lace. <hes> if we do to a five weeks tim lace we must use the correct form which is now being produced by consumer phasing toria if we don't use the correctly agreement form. It's now the produced. It's legislated. It's currently now because i thought actually is it. If you don't use the curriculum agreement so u._c.'s based right to see one <hes> then it's attending can keep twenty eight days just like any period eight of time so i'm using that increments like i do initial lists saying whatever my butt and is that what <hes> the tenants looking for in terms when i want a long term lease are they looking for shorty of what that's going to look like or in these five year leases. Are we talking about incremental mental twelve months reviews of the twelve hundred. Do you have to start an increase yeah. I don't think many people are going to i want it to be honest the deal auditing tenants alaric think landlords because if you lock in for five days what if you hate you hate the house or it doesn't need so you keep goes through different school and you're stuck the i think many this is what this is what they wanted or the tendency union whatever they call themselves i went on the radio oh against him a while ago and least great on that point who's going to want it and i said the same thing wait. I think that's going to solve anything so now the head this right here so it quick saw in terms of what that looks like what did they want when you when sorta voicing their opinions and what did i get the legislation i think i just wanted long-term site sikua housing which in a lot of cases got the nine hundred into fixed time night us in the removal of hundred twenty so i think that's the biggest thing plus pits was obviously it'd be gone for them as well and i the the <hes> the changes to the property without the consent versus things dilute pushing pretty hard for that as well. It's hard like you speak to people in nice. I it didn't go far enough to helping renters and then you speak there obviously people in wrinkles less than you speak to people who are property owners and they really worried that wrenches have too many write so you never gonna mckay for unhappy. The answer somewhere in the middle slightly damaged danger threats intimidation. The damage is a good one. <hes> they've changed weighting of it so no longer includes word'militia malicious was always a really hard one for us so i just it's written a lot better than it was. The other thing is tenant damages equipment such as mike alarms. It's immediate notice to vacate so going back to safety. Gee related stuff is really good. One side danger at the mayan eilly protects neighboring premises so if your tenant won't kill the navy then that's take it the danger will actually include the ana the agent in any event contractors and employees as well so coming to our office and up to something bad then immediate knows vacate threats and intimidation will be a four day noticed vacate so that's where you've got tenants that perhaps a very abusive on the final email takes message often you get long winded takes three in the morning threats and intimidation foreign day notice to vacate and that's purely for the aina the agent contractors and employees saw. I'm actually way pushed really hard for that so i we had a we. May i've had situations in micro away. I've felt like always in danger the various reasons. I think that that's a really good stock and then that's that section also talks the and this one is actually mind protection of it and i i. It's very hard to understand exactly how it's going to play <music> out but basically attendants going to be given a fog strachan every twelve month period uh-huh valley up to strike mix one year history. I'm cutting a check on us weiji now all right. Let's just say ten days like these french cleave for is on the fifteenth day we serve a noticed vacate then have up until the termination that die tighten the notice to vacate which is the sum of postal period plus the notice period so if saving vibrant sets and other twenty one days last i go to electric's at short period period but now the twenty one days. What does that mean for electronic just quickly talk over in like so basically you seven. I just vacate. They've got another twenty one days if i pay the rent that's on that noticed vacate. That's one strike. He can't go to vacate what i can do that four times and periods on the fief time ever known five in a brand new rolling trophy period even if i pay the rent between the notice viking kyw dayton termination date and artist vaca- that twenty one day period you can go before vacation they kept will decide whether they during the hearing on a payment plan all possession for getting out of the australian cricket team back in the early days very very hard to get out of this so what's the rolling twelve a month so the lace for twelve months in a race it again coming back to that serving period because that he's gonna delay time if it's postal system yeah so. Is that a very big that if you get an email address on their application if you don't get an email address on the rain is application the tenants application. That's almost like a straw for me. If you're looking after my property get in other words if you're going to give me any type of electronic communication in which all can talk to you yup on smell in iraq they can withdraw consent as well at any heavy delays pregnant but yeah. I completely agree everything you like. Tony klay gone. We went completely paperless in one week. Sort of the diver saved the other in whole mile junk mile or you can get receipt <hes> other than that. It's actually really not basis of finding advocate that actually received it as when the document was ready to be accessed so you have to prove it the potential of it being <unk> at siamese reggie post by reggie pipes. I never collected the envelopes always come back to you. The fact that you posted it is deemed that saved it. They could have accessed difference but ultimately if you set it up so it has a raid receipt or at least received the receive means. It's ready for rating that client into solid to wipe. That's the case because you could have the best potential. You've said you might spelling allegations. Take a fido of the notice with fine and takes exit to them and i use that as well just as an extra backup and i've actually used that vaca- were ahead of tenants. I never saved us it. How did you never save it. He's is that the men because you're saying on solutions thinking if it does get very cat. It's also a good indication. They've said redrew withdraw themselves from all talk twelve of eletronic communication then even itself is an argument point that you can put your case fold once you do get professionally system and if you've got a real professional do reggie post just copy a couple of days just become for because if you've got a real professional. He's going to try and get out of it. Just copy extra five nine the prohibition on letting so yeah if an artist vacate for demolition premises us business occupied taught by leonardo family. They can't let the property for six months from the date. The notice was given or go to vacate to get the property cleared today. Avai relate softened aina goes. I need to get ten in app us one hundred twenty eight us on today and then out bad enough to get them out on shore anything else dart seven ever noticed vacate saying you're going to move in and they not moving and re let the property the panacea that final night once gone up to one hundred fifty so that's one hundred fifty times one hundred sixty five dollars wasn't twenty two cents which is just under twenty five thousand dollar phone. You've heard the first year on the property cats do that guy in the system the tiny hot to that ease if we do seven vacate on a tenant we ha- we have to provide them with documentary evidence to support. Let not justify kite so for example for family. Member moving will need to get a static from the landlord. We need to save that with the nicest vacate so it's closing that low paul start two or six three two two talks about the application for possession order. Yes i would that one hundred. I'm twenty nine raisins. Fain removed the reason. It's being removed. He says always raising kitchen out. You're not gonna say you're a perfect ten. Let's maybe you on so they've recognized that novem mm-hmm remove fat from al availability advice audit surveys. This one's a lot to be honest because there's always you can usually use legitimate reason but this is cases where you just haven't got the right section and you do that site so yeah. It's tricky one. What's the what's the what's the horror story that you sane from attendant. What's what's what's blown you hear back until while <hes> <hes> those one really early on in my career way when attentive ak did he unplugged the hot water unit so basically grandfather prominent just kept feeling with hot water so that was a good one and he also got faces and right on the walls. I'm going to kill highly and stuff so that was really terrifying. That was always in my twenty s and that was probably the lowest headway the play sexually involved and it became quite scary but for the most part we're actually had really really good tenants. Couldn't i haven't had to deal with a lot of massive. E. shoes that other people have four or six four eleven talks about climb for rental walks yeah so this goes across a couple of sections so to summarize it asia following new south slow basically when attendance vacates properties i can apply for they've gone back you then if you don't dispute that bond climbed within four days line two vacant for the claim we'll getting tenant sawn-off on the former electric than the bundle automatically return to <hes>. I'm sorry at the moment we've got laws home within ten business as and a lot of agents go over that period so hints boarding that attending can apply and it will automatically go back could use videos. Isn't it sort of yes. Plus percent actually think it's going to be fine. I've already new south wales. The really nervous about it and i said it's just streamlined bow. These can't now awesome awesome bones tick team ever on the work still work to be done. Let's bring it home with this. Highly section four thirty nine rental noncompliant registered up nicely public black list on lionel's any landlord that files to meet their obligations under the act so it's going to be around repairs and maintenance attendant reports repays then goes to survey cat so there has to be of a coda the owners go to break chicken some vacant that automatically get lodge for the noncompliance register which means that it will be essential public register interest if anyone to look at the feces the agent los o._b. Lodged along with the aina property managers. My suggestion is if you are representing presenting some landlords now make them on and you know it is also true that the unintended consequences here is if you have a bad the property manager allies in the responses you will cover. You'll be blacklisted which sort of doesn't make sense to me. I think it's that one hasn't been being thought through properly paul yeah. I think it needs some tweaking. We'll have been done a pretty good job of getting through side of this a so. We only have it half. Let's put it that white bra and there's still a hundred of them so they are the ones but i guess it just gives the intention because as i said before we had highly office e._m._c. a._m. Some value that she added to add team and just little nuances that you don't think cov <hes> as i as a probably invest <hes> even if a lot of people listening listening the tenants as well so it helps them have a better understanding so what unto you to wakes for me is a great reference podcast. This is the only one that you will always coal back on talking about. What was that what was listing all of those areas that we covered this podcast great so i promise you you'll be referring back to this one guy but ultimately it's going to be one of our best reference costs. I think you and thanks to highly. We said it before. She's gonna mike this downloadable available on the on the proviso that she has a disclaimer this is this is her interpretation the thing that you can hundred percent law and it's still on trucks for one july twenty twenty unless early on three already already coming so we're just waiting savoring anymore but i think anything else aren't coming out roles now. Highly last thing for me is is <hes> before we let you go personally in terms of why are you investing in property yourself. Use the good the bad and the ugly. What's what's the vision what what what are you and your family towards appropriate vista. I'm not actually worried about challenges. I think for the most part where everyone toes the line the gresh <hes> the reason why wearing property ease tower tom fund so we've got properties in sleeper in a trust and also impersonal <hes> so it's a bit spread out <hes> but it's our retirement for the feature and auditing is any better vehicle than property house. When we first got together he put money in shares and i'll put put money and property n._f._c. Let's talk in five years. He didn't want to have that conversation. Jersey actually invested when it went down and he's a full property at canal absolutely loves it and he's on board with all of our investment strategies as well artist. I think there is any better vehicle for tibetan independence at the end here. I think you don't get any arguments from us but again. Thanks for stopping by the sham. That's been enormously beneficial offshore. You'll agree hardly total value into a community so thanks again as it gets closer than we circle back in say july. Let's see what happens. Thanks again so i'm online affected ice from lisbon angeles stanley harbour austin been this one is short and sweet but there's always helped me with my discretionary spending than <music> don't know where i heard it first but have always remembered it. It's not a bargain unless you need it. Ooh yeah that's good all aboard because it was such a bargain but yet did you need it or did you want <hes> s- love it so <hes> all like that and i she puts thanks putting on cosmic very light. Star ninety discovered a few months ago so i'm slowly catching up but still enjoying the journey thanksgiving angel oh san well. There's a few resources for you can't yuppies and they're obviously can gung download binge go. I'd <hes> there are heaps of resources to help you <hes> and a few new to l. podcast you might this <hes> we used to say this all the time and a couple of things <hes>. It's always tough to jump into a journey any win. We're up to episode two hundred and four anything widow stopped. We thoroughly recommend that you listen to the first twenty because they are foundation for everything we talk about. <hes> the little life back here is you can do one and a half spayed office so you can catch up really quickly and of course you can download the binge go. I'd so that you can catch up where we've summarized. Where is the first twenty episodes so that you can really foster kyalami because we wanted to make sure people come up too quickly man did you did you roswell as well just because you know on. I'm gonna try and stretch it out of a couple of podcast because often come within your community. Give give me more of these. I only joking not really well. Had this audio rod where i was going to strive as the rest of the world but i'm just gonna break it up into tape because it just hit me i can get to podcast so. Did you know we're talking about rose today so he really so we'll go world. I saw the longest hardaway in the world is wear bras. <hes> and i'm not giving shots united system time. The longest hallway in the world is in america wouldn't it oh good guess <hes> ah office so <hes> she said you buy for those of you can't hear under under her voice into pan american highway bras is fourteen not eight thousand kilometers of road forty thousand kilometers of ways the longest. Did you not do that whereas whereas i in ways. Where do you start on the panamerican hallway up. I think it's around circle disconnects itself as we call rope lied. I lied lied. Just a kiss guys where the cable now the longest street in the world ross the longest straight. This is under a little bit of the bite the bite but it's it's pronounced while i have you pronounce but it's young young. It's y aimed g._e. Joan ge yonge street in canada. It's what's the by the debate. This was because everyone everyone full that actually connects into a highway rod the realities that straight from the by up to one of the likes is fifty six kilometers outside. That's canada has the longest strike straight now. What about the longest strike road in the world longest strike road in the way of the difference between the straight and the right well. I saw the hallway longest goes going to beat panama history and then the longest straight straight you won't be without brought up residential so long straight talk doc so the longest streit dade streit road in the world is just getting the car well. Let's wrestle. That's why we're america because you think of all europe and then i'd have to go through different countries from brought this one basically sitting that tastes slop and a two hundred and sixty kilometers. You are not gonna move your steering wheel. Where is the longest strike commutative ride australia australia. You're not have the pulse of straw. Strahl your august. She's trying to joining in the community. It's not but i'm going to do a strong yet next week. So that's weird shirt off. It is on your lover's rise in removing like i said the longest straight ride in the world is in saudi arabia and it's two hundred and sixty kilometers and it's highway eighty-five check it out one stripe in rhode that just go through the same so they got inside next week's episode ross. I'm going to australia's longest heart why effect. I'm also going to give you australia's longest mine straight and i'm also getting a stray his longest straight road. Do your homework you. Both of you play with share with you that next week to forty to forty nine and just we're we're just gonna talk a little bit of housekeeping circle right now not even close to the circle so starts improved. I buy in alaska. Thank you tape ends up in uh shuai on apps on something <hes> in argentina the pain america sal guys not amish or north america dan into south america yeah. They got the country's profit if you if you if you the map iverson you spin it a couple of times but we will not not so you got it. Doesn't it's not like the pacific ranch drive which is hallway number one if sean i got so there you got denied. I don't just search long as long as right in the world. The officer came up actually been put on wasn't empowering highly you act on it. Thanks you reading yeah. Hi there folks price hallway. Hey before you go if you're new to our community and the only listen to maybe a handful of episodes i thoroughly early recommend that you go all the way back to episode number one where we unpack all of the foundations when it comes to property investing for those of you that might luke tom poor of good good news for you. We have a binge god that you can download it right away which summarizes the first twenty episodes where bin and unpack the foundational pillars of the a._b._c._d. And so much more and you can get that straight away if you go to the property catch dot com forward road slash t._p._c. you can download it and consume it whenever you want. 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The Pill - Everything You Need To Know About The Dangers Of The Pill, How To Get Off It Safely & Safer, More Natural Birth Control Alternatives.

Ben Greenfield Fitness

1:25:18 hr | 1 year ago

The Pill - Everything You Need To Know About The Dangers Of The Pill, How To Get Off It Safely & Safer, More Natural Birth Control Alternatives.

"This episode of the Ben Greenfield for this podcast. How does this impact on how we built community something? That's absolutely essential for health and longevity city since then I've had skin issues. Neurological issues and doctors will say no that should only affect your reproductive system except that every system in the body is impacted. Good bye hormones that we have in fact been doing harm by perpetuating this inherent bias that just having female on your chart needs that your symptoms attends are not real help performance nutrition longevity ancestral living biohacking lacking and much more my name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. Ah Mon Mike Test One two one two one two three. Hey look there. It is at works thanks. A wonders offers of technology. I'm here again and I've a really good show for you today about the pill this one's going to be doozy. I think you'll dig it. I didn't want to mention a couple of things. 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They are a ton of you. You have been asking me about. Oral contraceptives and birth control. And especially the pill. Which I've mentioned a few times in previous podcast episodes assode is something that I'm not the hugest fan of but of course I'm not a physician? Who is an expert in hormonal contraceptives? I do however know and have talked about in this in the past that women on the pill are more likely to be prescribed an antidepressant. Hi Depressant and there is an increased risk based on research for things like auto immune disease heart conditions a thyroid issues adrenal. Oh issues Even breast cervical cancer. And then there's some of the summit just annoying issues like vaginal dryness and hair loss and lower libido sometimes fatigue or brain fog increased susceptibility to infection. And this. This is an issue that I think a lot of women women deal with so I decided I finally after getting a lot of requests from y'all to to interview this person on the show I said to finally hunter down and get her on. She has actually written a book called beyond the pill. which you might be familiar with if you're not you need to read it because it it highlights a lot of these issues but I wanted to get into some of the nitty gritty of this on the show as well so her name is Dr Joe? Lean Gene Brighton. And she's a functional medicine naturopathic doctor. She specializes in women's hormones and also specializes in managing a lot of the long term side effects that are associated with hormonal contraceptives and also alternatives to those. So I she's a real wealth of knowledge and I I really appreciate her. Take on all of this stuff. Everything that we talk about. Today you can find at Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash beyond the pill. All that's been greenfield finished dot com slash beyond the pill which again is also the name of Dr Jolyon Brightens Book and I just realized that the name of One of my kind of more popular books is beyond training. So we've we've got to books with similar titles which means we're totally holy on the same wavelength Dr Brighton. Yeah and I have to say in this intro. When you're like I had to hunt her down being hunted by Ben Greenfield? I think that should the added to lake top ten fears. People should have. Yes yes no the weapon more with the virtual assistant totally but I was just thinking like yeah. I know I've seen you work out if you tried to hunt me in real life I'm pray I don't know we will go there. It is turning into like Zombie Apocalypse. Type of type of scenario Yeah now when whenever. I read a book that I'm really interested interesting or I just hear over and over and over again that I need to interview someone I literally do have this. This lady who I work with in the Philippines. She's one of virtual assistance and she's just like a Ninja a Mike. I need you to find this person. Also senator a study. I'm like find the lead author for this paper. I need to get them on and within like five days. She's like here's their skype. Here's their phone number. Here's their email. And here's the date you're going to interview them. And I'm like holy cow so yeah professional professional soccer services they come in handy. That's amazing that's amazing so all right so anyways you wrote this book you wrote this book beyond the Pill Hill and I I think are a really good place for us to start would be how the pill is working exactly because that'd be a good way to also explain you you know at the the different phases of the cycle and how how the pill is impacting does and you know my audience loves science. LOVES THE NITTY GRITTY. And we. We certainly have time to get into this. So can you Get into how the pill works exactly absolutely you know I was a ten year pill user myself really grateful for birth control. I'm a first generation college student. You didn't and I can look back to this tool that utilized and yet it wasn't until I actually got into Knox by the medical school than I understood how birth control worked or even how how my menstrual cycle worked now when it comes to the health specifically think the most important thing for people to understand is it works at your brain level. Tom Now there are so many stories. Basically the go around about birth control not. Oh it's just impacting your ovaries while. Let's back it up. How do the ovaries no to oscillate will the brain signals to the ovaries so essentially when you take the pill? It's a high enough dose of hormones. Instead you will digest state your liver will try to process it. And then it's going to impact the brain by shutting down brain ovarian communication now. Really important understand. Is that not all of the pill is going to be absorbed in the small intestine. It actually will make its way into the large intestine which we can get into. Why that's a problem Further down the line. But you have to understand that when people say will taking a low dose hormonal birth control well comparatively speaking to the first iteration of birth control. It is lower dose. However it's still a high enough dose that your system tries to essentially detox had out but there's enough hormones to tell the brain shutdown communication to the ovary so we don't fire off follicle stimulating hormone F. S. H. and we don't fly off Luton ising hormone la so we don't get follicles writing so we don't mature an egg ovulation and because L. H. doesn't spike? We don't ovulate. This is all fantastic. If you don't want to have a baby but when we wake the reality that birth control works at the brain level. We can start to understand. Why wouldn't have complained of mood? Alterations essentially neurological symptoms since the introduction of hormonal. Birth Control Okay so so basically when you're shutting down F. S. H. L. H.. Can you compare and contrast that to what should normally be happening to f. l. h. during normal menstrual cycle totally so even while we're on our period so day one is the first day that you have flow and even while we're on our period we are getting eggs ready and van is by way of follicle stimulating hormone telling the ovaries let's mature in AAC. So we're going to mature some eggs and we're GONNA pick a winner and we're going to ovulate now during the normal menstrual cycle. That is without any hormonal interruption. We will see the efficacy rises and estrogen rises in the first half was called the folicular face. Then we're going to spike estrogen. And then we're going to spike lute nizing hormone Oh estrogen goes high it tells the brain released loot nizing hormone loot nizing hormone tells the ovaries releasing egg now. This is the best part of the menstrual cycle in that. Once we ovulate with left behind his structure called the Corpus loom that structure Secretes progesterone. Now what you find in birth control. Every single form of hormonal birth control is processed in Progestin does not have the same benefits of progesterone. And in fact we've never had a long-term terms study to tell us what happens to women's body. Let alone her brain when she is essentially putting on birth control after starting her period and stays on it for decades at a time time because progesterone stimulates the Gaba receptors in our brain which helps us still chilled out in con- It also helps with fluid retention so women on Birth Control Experience Waking sometimes. There's a whole lot of reasons that can be but one is water retention because they don't have natural progesterone they have progressed in which isn't going to have that diuretic diabetic effect and when our projections. Right we feel chilled out and calm and in love with life. Were not finding ourselves crying all the time feeling really irritable. Oh having depression and most notably when progesterone is low we experiencing Zion. which is why some experts believe being on hormonal birth? Control can lead to things. -IETY is it a myth that Progestin does used in these on. Birth Control. Pills is made from pregnant mayor horse urine. So that was that's Premarin and that's actually in the back of the day they were trying to make bio identical hormones and come up with all these hormones for postmenopausal women and that is made from horse urine. That's when we had those stories are stories. Excuse me studies that showed horrific outcomes with hormone replacement syrupy and especially when we give estrogen. It's not challenged by progesterone or you know and this is most specifically four bio identical hormone. Replacement isn't therapy. That's where we can get in really big trouble. Because estrogen left unchecked can stimulate tissues to grow and those shoes can sometimes be cancer tissue so the breast and the uterus as you were talking about with hormonal birth control you know that synthetic estrogen and Progestin is associated with increased risk of certain cancer so like breast cancer liver cancer brain cancer on the flip side it does decrease ovarian cancer and endometrial cancer as well. Okay is it now. What about this progestin? Would it actually shut down or down. Regulate the body's own ability to make pressroom absolutely so we see this with with the hormonal. IUD's so once upon a time women were told by their doctors that Progestin delivered via Ni- Ud was localized realized in state in the uterus. I actually was just lecturing in Vegas and had to say you know. The uterus is not like Vegas what happens there doesn't always stay there and what we found out is not the questions do ghosts in systemic. And what's really important is. Did this get started this idea that state localized. We actually didn't know the metabolites. We need to be measuring in the blood. So you place Progestin you measure Progestin. You're not seeing it except that we forgot that the body will actually metabolize lays these hormones and will different organisms that live in our body. We actually have no idea how what the the microbiome is doing with these hormones but when when it comes to these days we do see that some women stop menstruating and stop ovulating so with if a woman stops ovulating. It's because it's impacting her body at the brain level Okay so the other thing I wanted to ask you about just just a little bit of a rabbit hole here on progesterone is and asked this actually a little bit selfishly because my wife actually started taking under the supervision of a physician progesterone and and saw unnoticeable increase in like evening energy libido sex drive and there's definitely something that's occurring with use of gesture but I'm curious if you as a practitioner actually endorsed the use of progesterone especially in women who are approaching like a paramedic pause or even post menopause totally. You know there isn't in time in the place for the use of hormonal replacement therapy and so might take is always if you need gesture on. Why like if we think you need progesterone question? Why is that are you? Not Ali leading regularly like we see with polycystic Ovarian Syndrome or is he entering the menopause. Or you're not actually You know so impairment oppose. It's kind kind of like A. It's like a kid trying to drive a stick shift for the first time where it's like. Oh we're Jerkin we're going we're stopping we're going we're stopping and the bodies like getting ready to call it quits and enter learned menopause. which is when we stop oscillating so in those times we won't have adequate progesterone so you always have to ask why and so if you're a twenty five year when you don't have enough progesterone we wanna work on the root cause that doesn't mean we wouldn't also lab bridge bilour identical progesterone and you're absolutely right? It has profound found impacts on women's health and as I already explained at the brain level it can help with anxieties so it can help dissipate anxiety in addition into that. When you're taking oral progesterone it can help you get better sleep so insomnia or you know tossing and turning all night those symptoms of low progesterone and so taking an oral? Oh progesterone can certainly help with that. And it's so much of research and let me say there's very little research and women's health comparatively speaking to our male counterparts but but so much has been focused on estrogen that we've negated the fact that women need progesterone in terms of brain health so progesterone is involved in creating reading them island sheets so for people who don't know what that is. I like to call it. Basically the the outer orange covering ugly extension cords. We've all seen not who. Why do we have those coatings so that we can have electricity conducted efficiently so we need the same thing in our nervous system? We also know that progesterone is involved in neuro plasticity cities so this is really important to understand that if you're on protest in that's not gonNA give you the same Beth benefits neuro. plasticity is absolutely essential for us to be able to learn new. Do things in the adoptive Wilson Oh that progesterone is important in our bone health as well and so well so much of medicine in science will talk about estrogen. progesterone is absolutely essential and addition so as testosterone. It's we don't want it too much of it with the right amount. It goes beyond just libido it's also for our brain health are bone health and modulate the immune system to help keep inflammation and check. The other interesting thing is I read this brief book. DOC was a couple of months ago I was called. adrenaline dominance by Dr Platt Michael Platt and he talked about the use of progesterone in like kids kids and you know in males who have adrenal fatigue issues and kids with ADHD and add. He was almost like treating progesterone is kind of like a a coverall treatment for whole host of issues. That's that's something that you've also seen utilize utilizing your practices progesterone for for males room for children. So I don't currently treat children so I haven't used any hormone replacement therapy with them with men. There are men who absolutely do benefit from having progesterone and we know from the female perspective perspective that the one of the best ways to optimize our hormones is the Ashley of our environment signal to our body that the environment is very safe so so you know we we will out of the holidays. For example are we have a really stressful event navy. Were not sleeping much. Were eating more junk food. Were consuming more alcohol Kahal. It'll be were restricting our calories. No there's certainly a case to be made for caloric restriction in longevity and intermittent fasting fasting. However if you're someone who is already totally stressed out in every way possible your environment signaling that to you then caloric restriction? Shen might be one more way that you signal that the environment is not safe now. If you're Bonnie perceives the environment is not safe it you know I think so. Many of us think like. Oh Oh yeah. We're modern humans in a modern world. We're actually a very old organizations trying to catch up to the fact that like cell phone in our hand but you in on our body doesn't know if there is a lion chasing us these stress signals or because you know there's a lion at Predator kind chasing US waiting to eat us. Yeah and in all of that. What would your body do? If it believes the environments not safe it would shut down with reproductive health reproductive viability city is very very expensive and in addition. Your body's really smart it knows that the environments not safe. Maybe because there's enough food then you can't actually grow a viable organism and you won't be able to feed it once you birth it. In addition to that you're Bonnie knows that babies make a lot of noise and it wouldn't be the best idea of there's a Predator around if you're running all the time from these Potential predators so in all of that if we are and so what does this do in impacts this stress response to so that fight flight or freeze response or what's known as the sympathetic nervous system which is a big player in. That is our adrenal glands. So if the ADRENAL glands are working hot and heavy then absolutely bringing in progesterone can help support that because the brain signaling is going to shift to say let's make Cortisol instead of making these reproductive hormones. Yeah that's interesting so that that could be an alternative birth control. Method would be for women to engage in frequent long periods of intermittent fasting fasting to down regulate for Tilleke right. But the problem with that is that then our brain or bones are Har- all of our other systems would start to be impacted the negative way and I think this is you know this. I was joking by the way but there are people who will will say that there are also. Oh you know people who will say. Oh well if I don't want to get pregnant. I want non hormonal birth control. Like I will just do. X Y Z. Like some extreme thing to to try to shut down your cycle but we have to understand the joke but it's a very interesting point to raise that every single system in our body has receptors for these hormones hormones so that means your natural hormones. They impact every single system in your body. Those synthetic hormones in hormonal birth control. Do the same. They're meant went to dock on these receptors. And when you use hormonal birth control your flooding your system oftentimes with more than what you would make physiologically and it's is not even what you make physiologically when you look at progesterone and Progestin the structural level. They are not identical at all they're not identical. And so so this is where the conversation. It's really interesting when doctors begin to dismiss women symptoms when Women Sang. I started hormonal birth control. And ever since then I I've had IBS lake symptoms. Ever since. Then I'd had skin issues. I've neurological issues and doctors will say no nationally affect your reproductive system except that every every system in the body is impacted by hormones. Yeah I want to get into that a little bit more some some of the biological impact of the pill some of the more concerning effects. But you know about back to that fasting piece I actually I work with a lot of active. Females out of active lean females. And I I really discouraged intermittent fast that lasts longer than about about twelve hours especially not population because of this That that a protein molecule. KISS UPTON I don't know if you're familiar without one but it it helps stimulate Kanat atropine releasing hormone and you tend to see a really big down your regulation in a kiss Baptist production and so the hypothalamus doesn't release G. and R. H.. which which is basically the signal to release the? HFS As you're talking about so essentially you. You can down regulate fertility especially women who are trying to do the same type of intermittent intermittent fasting protocol. That initially was championed by guys. Like you know the the guy that wrote the warrior Diet Book Martin Burnham. I think it is a lot of a lot of these other folks who are endorsing hot and heavy intermittent fasting periods. I see over and over and over again. Women get eft up by long. Intermittent fasting versus getting cellular Tafkaji through like Exercise Sauna. A little bit cold but not long periods of time without eating like I encourage Ridge a lot of the women I work with to cut it short about twelve hour fast and then just like occasionally like a couple times a year do fasting mimicking diet and maybe maybe one or two times a month do like a like a dinner time. Dinnertime fast and I just find in the in the women who do that. They tend to be a lot more stabilized hormonally and you bring a really interesting point in that. The majority research on intermittent fasting and even the Ketogenic Diet had done on men middle. I mean we're we are. We are prescribing a lot of pharmaceuticals to women that. We've never tested women. The trials have all been done in men and so oftentimes women will try to keep up with the male counterparts counterparts. And they can't. I mean women are very sensitive to cooler intake and caloric deficit and rightly so when we go back from the the perspective of biological evolutionary perspective. We can understand that like we just state a human life like we are the creators of the future of the human species. So of course we're going to be different and you in not something people will say. Are you saying women are weaker or the lesser. No actually I think that our differences between males and females are such perfect complements to one another. And you know what's interesting about intermittent fasting and I. I do agree. Twelve hours isn't hard to do like you. Shut down the kitchen at seven and you don't eat again until seven. It's great for your gut health. I mean it's great for so many things we could have a whole episode on. Just that if you're going to be successful with something like the fasting mimicking diet or doing some intermittent fasting the timing your menstrual cycle. Michael that you'll most likely have the best success and failure best is going to be around ovulation when your testosterone is rising. So if you go to extreme you you could shut down ovulation but at the same time. That's a time where I mean. I'm not advocating anybody not sleep and not you but that's where you can get away a little bit more. So as testosterone rises. We find that we have more energy we can. This is where women can get away with like six hours of sleep and not feel terrible intermittent fasting is generally more successful at that time whereas once you get into the phase in specifically like the week before your period. There's shifts in insulin insulin that happened in insulin sensitivity. That is your body's like there might be a baby here. Let's eat more food and so women will see that they need more sleep. They might have a decline in in energy and they're having cravings they're more Hungary and this is something that as a talk about in beyond the Pale. You know if you are creating if you're like I just WANNA eat bread and sugar like your body's really saying can you grab some sweet potatoes in some yacht guy gets Vegetables in on which is great for supporting your microbiome abiomed. And that's going to help with estrogen elimination. But it's also what your body is needing in that time and so often I appreciate that you who are very cautious in not prescribing. A one-size-fits-all for men women and everyone in not. I think there's also some things that women can understand this very nuanced about cycle in. Die If you're if you're like oh I'm GONNA start my period in three days and trying to start intermittent fasting lasting in. I'm a failure. And he started that negative self-talk. No you're a cyclical creature and you need to honor that cycle and also just honor how you feel. Yeah and it's actually really good point that you make about about women and studies because I think it was up until the mid seventies where the FDA actually banned women then from participating in human clinical trials and originally was like just pregnant women because they didn't want to do harm to pregnant women but the law. It was weird law like it apply to women who were not sexually active or use contraception or who were homosexual. And it actually wound up inhibiting a lot of the research from applying to women and still. I think it's like eight out of ten. Studies are heavily focused on men and it might be a little bit higher than that in animal. Studies in in in in part of that too is based on the researchers themselves being primarily male. I think it's like thirty. Percent of scientific researchers right now. Worldwide are females else. We've got like a seventy percent skewing towards male researchers and then also the number of subjects is higher than that that are male versus female and so yeah it it really is interesting when you look at a lot of studies and you just read an abstract or or a headline. At first glance it can pay to dig in and actually look at the sex differences or whether that was even taken into consideration for drug development or even a supplement development. So actually. He's a pretty important issue that you bring up and it actually wasn't until the nineties that the FDA DA said we actually need to start studying women when it comes to all this we need to bring women in an in A. I know that some women are going to hear this and they're gonNA get really upset and I totally we hear that and at the same time coming from a research background. We have to understand that studying women is really expensive and really inconvenient so when when it comes to studying women we have to have them tracking their menstrual cycle. There's you know those the being a cyclical creature over a you know essentially twenty six. Maybe thirty a two day period that can definitely impact outcomes. And you're right about the animal models. They mostly like to study male animal models. And it's the same thing it's more complicated. Researchers they want it to be super clean. There can't be any other variables that could be impacting. The outcomes and yet we have to question in that because if that's the way your conducting the research and you're essentially maybe you're just Males or your taking your Cherry picking the population you're putting him through a bottleneck in the study to get statistical significance. And then you're saying okay and this applies to the general population. Everyone and then we have people starting to put up their hands saying saying but this actually doesn't work for me and I'm actually having a different experience. Researchers well understand that when we introduce things to the general population. We're we're going to see differences. Researchers are very much like there's going to be gray and not everybody's GonNa have the same outcome when it comes to pharmaceuticals medical interventions and yet. There's a disconnect act when we get into clinical practice where doctors will say. Let you know. They're like no it's blacker way there's a study or there is non when women were complaining women complaint of mood symptoms since the introduction of hormonal birth control. It wasn't until twenty sixteen that we saw a very large study over a million women who were tracked that they showed. Yeah if you start birth control your twenty three percent more likely to not only be diagnosed with depression but to also receive receive a prescription to treat it that is say your depression was so much impacting your life that they felt the Dr Phil. Pharmaceutical intervention was needed. And it's been interesting spiraling out of the studies to find that in as much as we vilified the synthetic estrogen. It was the synthetic progestin has been so problematic. Nick and the researchers have gone on to show increased suicidal idealization. That is women are more likely to take their own lives especially in our adolescents and in just in two thousand nineteen we have studied. Come out showing that. What if you've ever used hormonal birth control as an adolescence you may be forever forever at a higher increase risk of developing depression? There's something I know right leak and that was me. That's most of us. We started before brain was done developing. I said before age twenty five. There's a researcher Dr Jalen prior who has been questioning this for a very long time and doing research and saying you know adolescents. Very vulnerable when it comes to a stop establishing at brain ovarian communication consistent ovulation. That's really a decade process us and yet were coming in with synthetic hormones in disrupting that and when women complain of symptoms. Were saying there's not a good enough study to validate what you're saying. We have to understand that we were lacking studies and the lack of evidence does not imply safety. Yeah yeah and that's a perfect perfect segue into some of these issues with the pill you got into the depression issue one. This might seem kind of like a silly issue. But I've brought it up on the show in the past and people always ask about it. I'd like to hear from you whether this myth or fact but this idea that your ability or or or a women's choice of a male partner is affected by the pill because she actually tends to choose a partner that is more. I believe genetically similar to her based on sent when on the pill thus resulting in Two two genes matching up that result in a less it's genetically robust offspring that might be more susceptible to infection or or immune issues or something like that almost like the choosing a partner partner that is too similar to the woman and then also another more recent one was about a women's inability to be able to properly empathize or identify defy facial expressions which might also affect may choice when on the pillow versus. Not on it are either of those situations actually accurate a hundred percent. So let's let's break this down. I actually talk about this in beyond the pill And I have had so many patients. Tell me these stories and after reading on the pill we've had so many messages coming in of women saying yes while it was on hormonal birth control. This is what happened to my marriage when I came off. This is what happens. So let's break this down so first thing we have to remember is we're animals and as animals we have a senses in one of those are sensitive it smell and new people have heard of like fair moans and being attracted to a partner. So what's going on there. Well we have this complex called the MAC complex. It's it's on our cells and it is involved in our immune system as women off of hormonal birth control we will detect that and we will select for a male counterpart counterpart that is as giant genetically dissimilar to us as possible. And that. Is You know in theory so that we basically get as much jerk. Georgina variety as possible. So basically you don't marry her brother so when you're on birth control you're more likely to be attracted to someone genetically. Hey that's like your cousin which is weird so every time. I say to people like you like I know right so they done studies on this multiple times looking at okay. There's this NFC complex women are detecting Archie The genetics of their male counterpart Interestingly Singley on the flipside in exotic dancers. They've done studies that. If you're auditing you're more likely to be tipped more. You'll make more money if you're on hormonal birth control. You'll make less money. This is about men now being attracted to women that it changes while. You're whether you're not. You're on hormonal birth control control and these are the things that like you know as soon as I start talking about. This is when people are like. Oh so what would you. You WANNA see teen pregnancies. You WanNa see women. Not Having control controlled their bodies. No I would never say that but we need to have an informed consent. You know in taking this medication in understanding. What's taking place now? They did this other study. That was really interesting team in that they had women come in and they were the computer screen in front of them. Said manipulates faces to be more attractive and so women even sat down. They're not on hormonal birth control. They start manipulating faces for every man they made them more masculine Anybody who seemed Disney's beauty and the beast in Gaston sings his little song about how he so masculine. That's exactly exactly cleaver features. We're talking about so that strong jaw that chess but on the face looking out for Alpha archetype so one is this being in from the evolutionary perspective. The defender of the tribe. The person that if you made it with them they could protect you and they can protect your offspring. They I put women on Hormonal Birth Control. They bring him back several months later. The Women Begin to manipulate all the men's faces to be more feminine. They searched reduce the draw structure. So fascinating. So we're on hormonal birth control. Would we actually prior to prioritizing in mate selection well as it turns out Konya may be right. She is a gold digger in that we prioritize. How much does our main make like our potential mate? How how much money does he make? And so you know how smart is he that translates to modern day societies Alpha male. Like who can protect you however women who come off of hormonal birth earth. So you're on it. You select your mate you come off of it now how attractive they are becomes much more important to you and you're much more likely to initiate. She ate divorce now to your point of the facial recognition. How women actually don't pick up on the subtle social cues in the same way you you know that steady came out and researchers are? Were you know they were like well. We probably would have noticed it if women you know if this was like really that big of an issue and I just laughed and I actually said to my husband. I'm like yeah like Y'all notice when we get a haircut like subtle. I don't know that you would have really noticed it. And when we go back to your an animal these subtle facial recognition these subtle social cues can be the difference of life and death and not not to be like oh so extreme not but truly as women you know. It's it is something that we are more likely to be. Impacted acted by violence against US right. It's it's harder to defend ourselves in the No. I'm walking the line here. I don't want to offend anybody. But at the same time we have to start asking the question. If we're not picking up on the subtle social cues and some researchers have been asking this question. How does this impact how we mother has this impact on how we built community something? That's absolutely essential for health and longevity and in addition to that if we are seeing these changes happen. How might that impact us like in in the workplace in you know the just so many questions in how birth control is altering women and how that's actually altering society as a whole? Oh so we can't ignore this and what I think is really just a head scratcher is like why are we only now starting to ask these questions why is it. It's only now we're like well. Why my birth control be doing to women on all these different levels? When we've had introduced it was introduced in society? He really in the nineteen sixties. Started out. You had to be married if you wanted to get access to it but yet here we are now in twenty twenty a whole new decade. And there's so how many questions that have been left. Unanswered is actually Dr Elizabeth Kissling in Scientific American back in Twenty nineteen who stated that the use of hormonal birth. Control the way that we've been using. It is one of the longest and largest uncontrolled trials we've ever had. It's a huge experiment and we haven't answered nearly is many questions we need to and part of that is because there's there's this backlash stigma of like you. Can't you cannot question a woman's right to have access to hormonal birth control. That's not what we're doing we're questioning. What impact does this have on women so that they know what to look out for to stay safe and they know if they opt in to this involuntary drug what impacts it might have on their life long term? By the way I use antlers antler's in all of my decorating. That's that's that's guest on his male east quote handlers. It's an all my decorating. It was said I love that. You're quoting the scene all the Disney's sneeze and that's that's that's definitely sign of manhood whether or not use antlers in your decorating. Hey I won't interrupt today show because we have a VIP tax club. I send send out about once a week. These insider deals insider discounts cooled downloads. 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So women have been given hormonal birth control. So their mail coaches I would say like. Oh your menstrual cycle. It's GonNa get in the way of things with Pajama Birth Control. And that's GonNa make you a better athlete Acceptance Hormonal Birth Control in shutting. Down Your your ovaries shut down testosterone production by as much as fifty percent it. Then alters your liver at the genetic level to express higher amounts of sex hormone binding Globulin even now that liver is not betray you. It's like this is way too many wounds in our system. We've got a gobble up some of these hormones to keep our bodies safe except it's GonNa grab onto the test Austrian as well. Testosterone is essential for muscle mass energy production for bone health. So in in that way alone it can actually inhibit. Women's Athletic Performance and recent studies have come out showing that women on hormonal birth control athletes specifically they fatigue not faster while on birth control their muscle gains are less. Endurance goes down so now researchers are saying. Don't put your athletes on birth control. Troll actually leveraged their menstrual cycle you can work with their menstrual cycle to make tremendous athletic gains. And you know who did this the US soccer team the US US women's soccer team decided to do what like people like me have been shouting about for years. which is work with that? Women's menstrual cycle to waited. Make an exercise plan. That's conducive to our her body's doing they just one is crushed. It and I think that's phenomenal. And one of their their coaches and all of this. He actually created a whole APP around this. So that you can plan your date of your side goal and start working your routine around that and so just just briefly if we know that in the liquid phase so you're on your period your testosterone estrogen or rising. Your energy is going to go up. You're going to stimulate muscle mass. This is when women the you know the about a week after their period. They're like who I can lift so much like I can. I can run a marathon like there's so much more I can do. Whereas when we got into that phase and specifically leading up to our period that a great recovery time? That's a great time to recover your body work on you know stretching and when I've worked with And not not just stretching but just being really mindful of you. Don't do stop moving. Yeah you would just say like oh well I'M GONNA get my period too soon. I'm just going to stop opt moving. No no no but when I've worked with patients in this way and I'm like okay once you dial boxes Sweden than I want you to go hard this week. They make tremendous gains in their fitness skulls and in addition to being on hormonal birth. Control their women who've complained of waking now as I said earlier on this can be not water retention. So if you start control you gain weight you stop it you lose weight right away likely was water retention hormonal. Birth control is inflammatory. They've done studies ladies thing measurer. C Reactive Protein Marker of inflammation. They put a woman on birth control. And sometimes that. CRP shoots up about three times the amount so that's also gonNA causeway ause way issues as well but when we factor in long-term hormonal birth control use. We've got the down regulation testosterone. We've also got issues. In terms of thyroid I read hormone. That can lead to US gaining way. What is one of the hallmark symptoms of hypothyroidism unexplained weight gain? In all of that. We've got you know the inflammatory apiece as well but we also have to account for you know how hormonal birth control is depleting nutrients so there's lots of mutual this is one of the deep biggest drug mugging nutrient drug. Muggers there is We've got studies that go back to the seventy showing magnesium ZINC SELENIUM B-VITAMINS B twelve fully B. Two b. six and Co co Q.. Ten Vitamin C and Vitamin E.. Would are we going to impact the entire body mitochondrial function McConnell else. And so we have to start looking at pieces. Well and so when they've done the studies on waking and women you know they they're they are like on average it's not that significant except when you get into how that was done. They basically were like this woman gained fifty pounds. This woman lost twenty pounds. This woman gained seventy pounds. This woman lost ten pounds. Add it all up and take the average up not you know not that big of a deal now. What about the woman who gained fifty pounds? Or what about our body type like I'm like I'm five. Maybe on a good day if I put on ten pounds. It's big impact on my body compared to another woman. Who would bean six foot tall? So these are the kinds of things that are very individualized that we have to start talking more about and for me having looked at some of the exercise besides physiology data. It's interesting because you another very popular drug right now is meant foreman which is being used off label as kind of like an anti-aging and drug knowledge to reduce classy mcvay ability but to possibly have some other effects on down regularly 'em actively in increasing autophagy etcetera. When you look at the exercise literature you you know not only do you see a drop in the ability to be able to to proliferate new satellite cells post exercise you see a drop in the ability to be able to build muscle but then the other thing is about a four four to five percent reduction in via to Max or maximum oxygen utilization during exercise which is almost exactly the reduction that studies have found the pill causes in athletes that for the average exercise enthusiast? Might not be that big of a deal but when you talk about like a cyclist or swimmer Aurora going from. Let's say to Max of sixty five down to you. Know whatever five percent of that would be. So let's say they're going down to you. Know whatever sixty one from sixty eighty five. That is the difference between first and tenth place in many cases and then the other thing is that it can also down regulate your ability to be able to utilize allies glucose during exercise. Actually up regulation and fatty acid utilization during exercise in women who are on the pill. And you'd think that'd be a good thing right do you think. Oh It's turned me into a fat-burning machine but the problem is it's not doing that by increasing officiency. It's doing that by suppressing your ability to be able to burn glucose hosts for those intense bouts of exercise or those intense sports. And so you're basically dig less deep. You know related to what you're alluding to about increased or decreased time time to exhaustion on the pill or decreased force production capacity. That's because you simply can't engage in glycolysis quite as readily because your blood glucose levels are lower so it it kind of screws exercise performance from both in endurance and also a power and strength standpoint. So in my opinion what. You've just alluded due to this idea of adjusting exercise and even timing of competition based on the natural cycling. I I think that's a field that I'm really interested in seeing develop over the next few years and I know there are there are some really good Folks who are doing this like Dr Stacey Simms she had the book came out a few years ago called Roar which really gets into how to time your exercise and you know whether you do yoga versus weight training based on your cycle and then I don't now if you know. At least she has a book called flow that that also gets into this a little bit like how your movement exercise based around your natural cycle cool Yeah I think those are all great resources and then at the same time I think we should also listen to our body in tune into that because sometimes James I will say that women. I wanted to be really clear because I'll have women say nearly have a competition but I'm GONNA be on my periods so I think that a I'm gonNA fail at this moment to come in last and like okay. Firstly your mindset is everything and secondly sometimes women like sometimes women are on their period and you know or leading up to their period in the light. I doc I feel like I could like go. Harder is not wrong. No on your body and listen to that and know that there may be things that you WANNA shift so in a few hat. Ah We can't all plan all these like I'm an international speaker. People will ask me so you know what are the best times is hosting the elation Right around that post hosts ovulation. Your lips are going to be plumped like people WANNA listen to your more attractive. Your your brain is firing in a way that your linguistic capacity goes up young. Got People will say to me. Oh so do schedule everything around your cycle. No life doesn't work that way okay. The world's not set up that way. But if you know these things you can actually I start to alter your behavior. If you're like yeah usually get really tired around this time that I have a competition okay. Navy needs to be getting in bad like eight. PM Nine PM you. Maybe you need to bring on like you know you're more supplements in terms of your supplement. Regimen made you need on you know to make sure that your diet is dialed in in a different way and so you can work a lot with your intuition as well and understand that you live like the world is not going to revolve around your cycle that you I can understand these things to get the experience the performance. You know whatever it is going for you can make that happen by just shifting these simple practices assist. And I think I do think we're gonNA see this Research absolutely explode. I mean it's I mean with what the US soccer team was able to do. I think we're definitely GONNA see that. A lot of trainers and athletes are gonNA take note. We also know that there was recently that athletes who who came out About how her Nike trainer destroyed her body and how they kept cutting calories and all the things they were doing were like the opposite of what a woman's body needs in she went from being like the best of the best to like. I can't even compete anymore. And she's been very vocal about this in so I think we're GONNA see a lot of a lot the athletic world but just a lot of the world waking up to reality of like we have been trying to take the cyclical creatures these another cyclical to just over a twenty for our period. But we've been trying to basically fit this. You Know Square peg into a round hole and there's a better way and we can actually instead of treating in our hormones. As if they're these terrible things that are a burden we can leverage the superpowers that they're really designed to get us and that is why I think we're seeing millennials lineas and younger generations rejecting hormonal birth control at a higher rate than what we've ever seen. I think one they've seen the women that have gone before them. They don't I don't WanNa have those same experiences but two they also recognize they WANNA know their body and they recognize that there is strengthen their hormones things that they can leverage bridge and we finally have gotten away from place where older generations they and I you know I say older like as advanced generations. You the very much. Have this story where you know being a woman met. You couldn't get a job. You were too emotional. And so they never wanted to talk about the fact that our hormones do influence our mood food we have to recognize everybody's hormones influence their move if men's testosterone get too low. They're going to be crying all the time. They're not going to be motivated. They're not going to get out of bed Blake. They're going to be a mess and so understanding that everyone's hormones are influenced by their nude and if women are having symptoms because of hormones. That's a symptom. Your body saying we need a little help here as a teaching the pill you come in you can course correct and you can actually leverage that so that you get dot strength fat performance a gun. Whatever the goal is you can work with your body and work with your hormones to achieve it now if somebody's listening in let's say a woman who's listening listening in or or maybe a guy's listening anyone he wants to approach his significant other about getting off the pill? Can you just stop cold Turkey. You know in if not the wine on Okay so when it comes to hormonal birth control. It's an all or nothing situation so with devices it makes a little more sense right removed. The implants removed removed. The new ring. Don't replace that. Patch it when it comes to the pill. Sometimes women are like well. I'M GONNA go ahead and weaned myself off. That's a really bad idea. And here's why one is. You won't be protected against getting pregnant so it's only affected if you take the dose the way it's designed and so understand that the you know the ninety nine percent effective at preventing pregnancy that the pill gets is if you are perfect user if your typical users about ninety one percent which is to say hey that nine out of one hundred women using Mona Birth control the pill specifically will get pregnant in a year using it. Now when you come off it is a cold Turkey you just need to stop. Oh you don't WanNa win off because the other thing is that if you're cutting your pill in half or quartering it and he sees her tiny so it's hard to do. Your brain isn't getting enough the hormones to be shut down so it's going to be like okay. LemMe tell the ovaries to fire off. WAIT NO WE'RE NOT GONNA fire off. I've had women right knee and they're like getting hot flashes now and I'm having having acne. I'm having all these symptoms and it's like because you're messing around with your your your chemistry in a big way like you were messing with before and understand that hormonal birth control when you come off of it. It's a huge hormonal shift and we often forget baptise doctors like just come off. Everything will be fine until it's not and most often it's not so it's an all or nothing situation as they talk about me on the pill if you've started hormonal birth control for symptom management which is almost sixty percent of women. These these days are actually using it. For painful periods heavy periods acne regular periods. Understand that. When you come off those symptoms are GonNa come back so so whatever symptoms you use to treat the pill with or any form of hormone Hormonal birth control. Those are going to come back post pill unless you've done something like changing your diet. Get your Changing lifestyle practices to really work on the route of those issues. Now if you had those symptoms should give yourself a good three months to prep so often women will hear if some of these things in there like I just need to get off right now few endometriosis. If you had cystic acne prep your body for a good three months. You know as you were talking about with Metformin you often. Women get prescribed hormonal birth control if their policies to go burying Syndrome women P. C. O. S.. They're also GONNA get that forman that's GonNa that's GonNa take a big impact on your mind microbiome so the pill is incompletely digested in the small intestine. It actually will make its way into the large intestine and research. Studies have compared to antibiotics in terms of what it does to the microbiome. But how many people do we know that. Take antibiotics every day for decades on end. That just doesn't happen so things like that that we're going to have to work on support in a never want to see a woman. Jump off birth control. If you get cystic acne right away or your periods sir. Carol because of endometriosis you're GONNA you're gonNA feel like a failure. You'RE GONNA go right back on it so prep your body a good three months if you started hormonal birth control And you started audited just. Because you didn't want to get pregnant and there was nothing else going on. It doesn't mean you're in the clear what do come off. It doesn't mean you won't have symptoms in fact I've never seen a patient who doesn't have symptoms uh-huh coming off of hormonal birth control unless they do the work to really support their body in that transition. I outlined all of that in my book I give you a meal plan I am not dogmatic. I knew my training. I started in chemistry one into nutritional biochemistry. There is no one-size-fits-all what's true for you. That's what we need Utah. Onder stand so you'll get very nutrient dense diet lifestyle practices. I give you quizzes so you can dial in your supplement protocol and figure out you. It's all I. It's very much me. Being scientists in that I want people to build their user manual to their body. I want them to test. What is true for them and understand? That'll probably change over time now. So if you if you've had no cintas no issues you start hormone birth control for pregnancy prevention. You can end it at your your next end of your pill pack. If you you know you have a device you need to have a doctor remove it and if you've had the depth Rivera shot which is the synthetic progestin injection action that takes about ninety days to wear off so to speak. So you're GONNA have to ride that one out. It doesn't mean you can't be doing things in the meantime you absolutely can see. You can totally be supporting your body in making that transition as you're coming off event and so in all of that it's also important for women to understand that just when you stop doesn't mean that you what needed further take care of your body and so on average you need to spend a good three to six months supporting your body as you come off of it especially it if you're a period of fourteen and three cycles later your doctor put you on birth control. Now you're forty four your brain. Ovarian communication was never really solidified. It was never really established. And this is what I think is part of Post Birth Control Syndrome when women say to me feels like I'm going through puberty again and I'm like man. Puberty might be the unnecessary process for all of us to go through as much as like none of us liked it in the unnecessary process to go through so everything that I just talked about those symptoms coming in August. That's part of Post Birth Control Center which on average is going to pop up about four to six months after stopping hormonal birth control and the tricky thing is is not it can count on later her. which if your doctor isn't really tuned into that and you go into them eight months later twelve months later? They're going to be like no well. If you if this was because the birth control then you he would have had symptoms immediately. Accept that a lot of women you know they take a week break on the placebo. So why would they have immediate symptoms like they're cycling with birth control to get that drug induced withdrawal bleed not a period. It's a medication induced withdrawal bling it. I think that's really important language for us to clarify on there. Yeah and and I know that you have a whole protocol like you just alluded to laid out for Post Birth Control Syndrome but it but it's coming out from a variety of angles like addressing the leaky gut issues with with. I think some of the nutrients you talk about like slippery elm bark and marshmallow. I'm a huge huge fan of alvar extract and colostrum and a lot of these things as I can help heal the gut. And then you've got like a detoxification protocol healing some of the metabolic amount of damage replenishing nutrients with you know very nutrient dense diet right. I think you're even Correct me if I'm wrong. A fan of of organ meats or or capsulated Oregon supplements or things like that is very nutrient dense sources. But it's kind of like a whole all system that you need to be able to manage that post birth control syndrome. Yeah no I am a fan of organ meats your you'd be hard pressed to find anything anything more nutrient dense in our foods. Nature's multivitamin absolutely. I mean I all the time with patients I will prescribe beef heart and they're always like l.. That's gross and like the very first time I was GONNA eat beef heart. I'm like a certain my my small human who is now he just turned seven. Knee is hardcore me elite. He's like anything. He's been eating bone marrow since he was like an infant and You know his mom is look toy squeamish about this but he tell people take twenty five percent percent beef heart. Good your boots or get grass fed beef are I wanNA grind up twenty five percent beef heart and then I want you to get ground beef. Put together Mega Burger time and again. Everyone's like that is the Best Burger I've ever had. It is and it is like if you think about it. You know these organs are what our body prioritizes so when people are like why is my skin wise my act the last thing to heal while because your heart is more important your liver's more important. Your lungs are more important. Your body will prioritize these systems and those organs are going to get the most nutrients that are going to be taking care of that. Heart muscle works so hard. Why wouldn't it be rich and mighty contract co Q.? Tan and you'll be vitamins and nutrients. You need to run your energy and to do what you need to do. So I am a fan of organ meats and you know when it comes to basically re rehabilitating your body audie after birth control you are going to need the focus on every single system and I take you screw it in a way. That's not overwhelming in a way. That's like okay like I. I take a quiz. I choose my own adventure. I know how to get dialed into these things and for women who are listening to also understand that I wrote this book. It's called beyond the Pelle because they wanted to give women solutions to their hormonal issues beyond just passing them the pill as I said you know it's fifty percent of women that's our most recent survey that's come out. Fifty percent of women are using hormonal birth control because of symptoms. This is the go to doctors. You have acne. Let's give you the pill you have headaches. Let's give you the pill you don't WanNa you know you don't want to deal with heavy periods. Let's give you the pill we need to ask why and we need to do better for women. And if they choose to use hormonal birth control control that's one hundred percent their right to and they deserve to be supported in that and a big missing piece in this whole conversation around. Birth control has been what what what can happen. What should you identify? When should you get your doctor? What can you do to take care of your body while you're on it because it's not an all or nothing conversation and women absolutely deserves the right to choose? As much as they deserve the right to have access to the education they need and to know what are the signs and symptoms of a heart attack women. It's different than then. What are the signs and symptoms of stroke? We've all heard. Birth control can lead to a stroke. But how many women actually even know. What a stroke is the thing that I think? I didn't really expect when I put this book out. Was You know how many women's lives would be saved from this. This is unlike this is just a crazy thing that over over the last year. We've had women writing US saying you know if it wasn't for reading your book I wouldn't have advocated for myself in the Er. I could've died. We've had women with pulmonary. Embolism women. Who are having a stroke? Their doctor was like you just have a headache. Take some you know. Take some might all Endow takes an ivy profits and yet they the advocate for themselves by being able to identify these things and were able to save their own life. I mean I had these parents writing their daughter daughter went to the ER She was dismissed sent home. Her Mom had read my book. A that sounds like a stroke. Go back she sent her daughter back. Her daughter went back. DOC and sure enough. She was having a stroke and she had been dismissed. And what I'm saying right now about dismissing women this way more common than we even recognized there are studies income out showing women are more likely to die of a heart attack than men. Were more likely to be told. Your symptoms are in your head. You're overly emotional. Go home and then we die and that is medical gender bias for which medical schools are changing their curriculum. They're changing how they teach future physicians because they recognize that we have in fact been doing doing harm by perpetuating this inherent bias that just by having female on your chart means that your symptoms are not real now. Are you a fan of as an alternative to the pill any type of cycle tracking methods. Yes so there are. There's a whole table in my book. Chapter Thirteen is dedicated to non hormonal birth control options. Because I'm I'm my mom was a teen pregnancy so unlike step one. If you're Komo birth control is have a backup method if you are sexually active with a male partner and so in non we know the number one contraceptive that women love. It works for them. It has the highest efficacy rate. That means it works and women love it. Is the car pro. Ud you've Heavy painful periods No it's most definitely. I'm not gonNA work for you. And in addition to that you have a medical intervention even including medical devices. We want to track our symptoms and we want to get some baseline as line labs so that we can make sure that this is working for us on the individual level not as because it worked for her sister or friend. Does it work for Yale. So there's the Copper Opera Udine we also have barriers. Are you worried about copper toxicity. It'll with the copper in some women so we'll actually measure this will also measure zinc as well with my patients and so when you look the studies. What's really interesting when you see the conclusions? They'll send me the copper doesn't go stomach yet if you have a copper storage disease as you shouldn't use this method to me. The researchers are seeing something like it just hasn't been disclosed yet hasn't come out so yes again. Uterus is Vegas agass what happens. There doesn't always stay there And so if women are being told if you have a copper storage disease you shouldn't use a copper. Ud to me as a doctor. I I WANNA scream. I WANNA screen. What what is it? What are their baselines? She gets a copper. You'd want to screen again. We also screen fired as well. 'cause I've seen thyroid be affected. I I don't have any research studies to say like yes copper. Ud directly impacts the fiery. If you think about it your thyroid does need some of these nutrients that can be displaced by copper hopper. This is an area where we need studies so yes we WANNA look at those baseline labs and then we wanna we wanna have her tracking sent them so ideal for any reproductive reductive. Medical intervention is track your symptoms at least entire menstrual cycle. Three is even better and why status like with Copper Udine is not maybe you go on it. Everything's fine and six months later. You're like wait. What are these costs? What are these like really heavy periods? Like what is going on here. And so and gas lighting Israel in medicine Your doctor will tell you that you miss remember your period but if you haven't written down impossible to make you second guess yourself could you your personal data in in front of you. That's why the baseline labs are also important as well the question. We're always trying to answer is what's true for you. What works for you? I may be able to say this research. Study says that this wouldn't happen except that it did happen to you so okay well. How do we help you? Because you're the person sitting in front of me WHO's asking for my help. So we talked about the barrier methods so with cervical cap diaphragms. Much harder to get a hold of and condoms. Nobody likes the female female condom and I understand that male condoms can fail if they're not put on correctly. This is why I definitely advocate that women know how to place a condom appropriately as well and I understand that if you get started without a condom. Yeah there is there. Is There Candy Semi Semen released. That can be problematic What's important in the condom? Discussion is often. Women are given hormonal birth control. When they're all going off to college so here have some birth control? Study are don't get pregnant finance and no one really talks about the barrier methods that need to be in place. When you're on hormonal birth control there have been studies showing yard increased risk of contracting acting? HP and even possibly HIV. We need more information on this for sure. But a barrier method in non monogamous relationship is super important. Horton now for women who are like. I don't want any devices. I WanNa work with my natural cycle. Well that's funny. Because there's there's actually. An APP called natural cycles. There's also daisy and daisy is a fertility monitor natural cycles is the first FDA approved contraceptive device and. This is where the the fence tech industry is on the rise and is so awesome to see. So what does this all based on actually based on fertility awareness method. And what's interesting. His name is not a the concept of developing the pill is actually based on the findings the foundation of fertility awareness method which is tracking taking your signs in your symptoms. I mean way back in the day they were like we. We think there's something to this circle mucus but by the way like we need a better term than new kiss. I'm Jackie Kiss But you know in that there is a window when we can get pregnant. I remember there's a moment so sitting in class the medical school and my teacher says there's only one day out of the month of women can get pregnant here. I am on the pill and like this moments don't don't I'm like wait. I didn't suppressing my hormones every day under this fear based concept that I option getting pregnant so easy and get prime any day of the month. I mean ask women who are struggling with fertility and they're like if I knew how hard it was to get pregnant in Illinois if I would have ever used birth control For as long as I did so we can only get pregnant one day on the mound. Sperm is tricky. It hangs around Aitken live five or six days a jury. Your uterus will actually cultivate it and be like hey good little sperm like do let's take the best in the best of you like keep you alive and that is evolution's Lucien way of making sure that you are more successful in procreating so in the eighties release their sperm there waiting waiting an interestingly the it gets to decide it's not the strong swimmer in like l. the sperm penetrates the eggs. The eggs. Like you're cool you come on. Let's make a baby together so this is really where knowing your own body. I actually advocate that everybody asserts understandability awareness method. Because it's one of the best ways to understand understand your body and as they talk about in the on the pill getting together with a fertility awareness experts someone who coaches. His teachers can help you. So much get dialed in and when you understand so as I go through my book there's the low down your hormones. You can understand how your hormones work higher mental cycle works then we get into the period problems chapter after when you understanding. You're tracking your symptoms. Why your hormones are doing when your symptoms are coming on? There are so many women who were written me that are like only God may actually is because it has has also rising like all these years using accutane antibiotics only stuff like I needed to make these shifts. Like how easy was that so it can be great for understanding in your body working with your symptoms and at the same time he when we look at the research with perfect use. It's on rival with hormonal contraceptives. And that's because when so there's some people who are like oh so I can't have sacks during my fertile window okay one. There's a lot more than vaginal penetration that you can do. So so it's not that boring you can get creative and also you can use a barrier method. In this time I talked about leasing. I think it's only fair. To present their research and talkable that was the draw method when dunk correctly. You know. Italy has a four percent failure rate. I don't advocate it. Tell my patients to use it as a primary method acid because I don't like any method where a woman's not in control like she can't be in control of what happens in because without some sometimes those male hormones ramone's they get the best of your brain they override your judgment. And why that's you don't WanNA whoop situation. And when it comes to birth control in a sphere individualize What risk of getting pregnant willing to take? What risk of possible symptoms? Are you willing to take. What is your genetic predisposition like factor? Five Leiden you have a mutation and teach afar I really say you know you WanNa you WanNa think twice about using Ramona birth control. I won't migrations who have factor five mutation which is the clothing mutation. I'm like no dice. You cannot using hormonal birth. Control your stroke risk is way too high. Your heart vascular is way too high. Hi She's yeah. And we screen all of these things and know that and be able to offer that individualized birth control option. And you know I think in the the future as we go forward we're definitely GONNA see iterations because women globally are putting their ends up being like I want something better and why the heck do you're not have something better yet science. Yeah have you ever heard. By the way of the the is a newer ones called the Yuba. It's like a urinary measurement. I think it's tracking for starting L. H. or progesterone or estrogen on what it is. But it's relatively new. Someone just told me about. Oh I haven't seen that one But what else says said he's not women who are like all test my l. age and then on and then I'll have protected sex And yet you have to understand that like what happens is that testosterone is GonNa Spike in your cycle roughly around Dayton was gonNA do libido goes up suddenly. You're like my partner. Looks really good right now. And if you're having unprotected sex and you're like oh well then I'll abstain when my L. H.. Spikes it's too late. That sperm is already there. You're increasing your chances of pregnancy. So the symptoms thermal method of Measuring Your Measuring Your Body Basil Body temperature. So your eyes pop open for seeing the morning you papa thermometer under are you can paper chart taking taking charge of your fertility rate book for that and you can use the apps like daisy or natural cycles. There's also other apps where you can manually plug it in. That will help you understand when your temperature spikes which is synonymous with ovulation. That's going to be your sign Amami Malaysian But also looking for fertile cervical mucus. So there's actually a comedian Amy Schumer. Who should great skit where she talked about? Like you know. It looks like someone blew snot in her underwear aisle. And that's a that is exactly what it's like that raw egg white consistency and yeah. I can't tell you how many women that I've had call my office after getting off a birth control a call. They're freaking out there like there. Was this weird gooby discharge. I think I have an infection. I talked to them through it. And I'm like -gratulations you to stop deleted their. You're getting ready to oscillate in there. I've never seen this in my life. Yeah that's a sign nine of ovulation. That's also why there should be no shame Ever about the need of lubrication for sexual intercourse because ask little creatures Richard. There are times where we have more location and there are times where we do not so understanding all those symptoms you can even go further and understand cervical position position but I I think that can be helpful is very interesting to get to know your own cervical changes but it's not totally necessary in pregnancy prevention getting that at temperatures spike into your libido your energy your mood and then that cervical mucus is really essential. Look I mean I think a big part of it for me comes down to the fact that the pill is incredibly convenient but you know in very simple terms. Convenience always comes at a cost and in this case the cost is a a lot of biological damage from pointed out to stroke cardiovascular risk auto immune issues leaky gut nutrient abnormalities. A lot of these things that just are not not readily apparent or made readily apparent for women. And that. That's why I wanted to interview was because I think just so many women and and their partners are unaware of these issues and I know that it's I mean. Honestly it reminds me of the whole cell phone five G. conversations going on right now now. The phone is frigging convenient. Wi Fi bluetooth are so convenient. But it's not as though there's zero biological costs to the use of them and you you just in the same way you have to introduce smart utilization of technology. I think you have to utilize smart introduction of birth control methods that are more or natural than the pill and reflect a lot of what you provide in the book and some of the pointers that you gave out in this show. So I mean it's just it's it's the Human Inherent Tendency tendency towards laziness and convenience and when that's paired with advertising and pharmaceutical interest it just creates this shit shit storm scenario. Where a lot of women are hurting themselves? Yeah and when we're told that it's completely safe and if we're having symptoms that's just you you're just broken. I mean I mean it really fuels the fire in all of that and I think that's really such a big part of my message is not the pill isn't bad the you know the all of these ways of preventing pregnancy aren't necessarily band but might be bad for you like that's what we need. Is that individualized discussion and then informed consent and if women are going to go on hormonal birth control. That's where you need to be on a prenatal or multivitamin needs to be making sure that you're tending to your microbiome acre bio eating a variety of fiber considering probiotics probiotic. Rich food. Coming in. You need to track your metabolic health. If you're on a pharmaceutical that can lead to insulin resistance and inflammation US keep tabs on that. I don't care if you're twenty two. Your cholesterol may go up. High blood pressure may come on and we have to the educating women in this and having them also understand how their body works to begin with and that quite frankly it's downright dangerous to put women on birth control. Oh for symptom management without ever asking why she has them symptoms in the first place. Yeah well we've kind of scratched the surface of what's in your your book beyond the Pill and I think that anybody who wants to take a deeper dive should read the book and I've been taking a lot of notes all also linked to any other books. I mentioned in some of the studies and all the notes that I've taken during this conversation because I I always writing things down as we're talking and then I put them together in show notes for you guys all along with the transcript. 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Ep 94: AFL Round 12 2020 Review

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Ep 94: AFL Round 12 2020 Review

"Oh Lights Gentlemen can we just say this has been an experience? We were ready to go. Ready to stop broadcasting everything was fine. And then for some whatever parents brazen. Giannis equipment went flat now John has had previous experience with these equipment going flat before then for that, he might take a tablet alter, but it's great to have him back fondly he's he's able to hia. He can speak and he can see we can't through the shot without the great main. Mike Round twelve is in the round twelve is in the CAIN. Lots to talk about lonely gives hey feeling. Hey, what's going through the body right now? What's happening? What's happening I'm feeling I'm feeling I have recovered from Friday because sort coming on before. Sir I am ready to talk football. Mushroomed. Let's welcome and let's get straight into a Nola to ban a back and forth. But let's get these bad boy going news of the round might saw much to talk about. Little Tall I'm. You can choose pips. Laudi are let's talk about poets pal outage. What happened fraud I. You Got Paints Got Pants it was It was probably the worst game that I've seen US play since the other one, hundred, nineteen chuck that we produce on grandfather. nothing nothing we did nothing we could do to stop that and. I think every team is going to have a guy like that this season and that was als- and you could you could tell nothing was wrought like it wasn't just like normally we outplayed by much better team but nothing was connecting I mean we couldn't even get to handles chained together so. The changes look dolphin, that's what it is. What you come off g come off a short break. Now Break on his Reich. I absolutely smashed suffer anyone who didn't see the news all the way. Welcome everyone on the on the chat to not welcome everybody on the podcast we love having h he every single week so he went down four nine, seven, naughty one, full seven, thirty. Smashing that is a smashing, but I just punched you every. I smashed your positions walls by Idi awed. Inside fifties he's a thing that I only beat you boy. From an inside fifty fifty. So it just shows how fishing thi- were. Tomahawk just took the peace city. was was vintage and that was V huge and he he was good. But. I wasn't too upset by it. I was like man out record against Geelong is horrendous. While I was I. Know Dickson New Light is is that is that it is that Look any K. forwards potent to any any club. Almane barring. Melbourne till Mac. That but look way Dixon focus because one not he the number one forward at the moment. Oh, has bain as being kloempken them. And we just week nothing worked. We were kicking it terribly just was shit not. That's all reminded me of way you. Too Early Yep the, and you ought to think every tame is done a garth through this law they gotta have a fatigue gyn. An editor, it's happened tepid pretty much across the board. So I foucault change. The had a number of short breaks in a row. I gotta get heat. Calling we go. He bought on the way kint. Don't use your people at your pain. Heap Bullet Yep. Along Geelong lost to J. W. S. as season just just. I call them the Likud. The W. T. I, F. Games, the what the absolute. dimes because you tame just doesn't look right. Thank you had it against the cats a couple of days earlier. W headed against. CD. But that's another story for another day and we're GONNA get onto that way we have been very surely but PEPs Jr along played very well Happy. Happy for them to go thing because we own our it's coming. Well, we all know it's coming well, breadth thorns on the chat is he saying Geelong a genuine threat while he's a geelong supporter but let's face it. Let's face. It pips all everyone else he gets excited. Because JR along are facing the top toll on top full. And Guess is going to happen in the finals. Same spouses might sane stars I will come back. Well Strike Chase. Yes I felt. That looked I played goofy. Teams playing badly when Gary Rowan has a mini bag. What he kicks Erie Full. You know your times go bad when he's doing something wrong. Genuine student sold on on still not sold on them. Yeah they did have the great game against West Coast a couple of weeks earlier but is something that I just Gonna Take. Yeah I think now, Dixon report that's what I reckon and on us fair will it's a fable teams to she. More. Bob Did it for a long time with Tom McDonnell and I had to get rid of him and split it's type the focus off you. If Dixon. That's one of the questions ahead is when we had this week the magnets. If Dickson has a shocker Lockheed, the wakened who'd Heathrow food. Well. I just look I just think it was we had. Talked about will leave we'll leave my comment for swing the magnets yet. Of of who would who I would never want in a port Adelaide jump ever again. Okay. All right. So another one that all wanted to bring up. Thank you very much for that. Another one that brought I wanted to bring up with what happened on the Thursday night game, swo- versus. The giant joint trolls is the season I for Gwa. So it's a question I had to parties to your like three goals seven, which was virtually the same school that they produced on the weekend. On, the weekend in the grandfather last year and the lowest school that they have produced a regular season game since they first season. They just a bunch of individuals is this is this ever GonNa Change this global. Good question. Let's We've spoken about this a couple of Tom's nail in the past couple of weeks spot. This team. For All. Of Its topics all of what our clubs pips you and I now imported gone through. Where we didn't get access to this talent because this new was in. It's all going to be. Thing. At the end of the day, the Leon Cameron has been as you as you've said, a million. Tom He has been given the case to the Ferrari and he's literally. He end applies. Not Up to it. Ought to. He is a thing about this guy mark. So you can look at all the stats etc and so forth. But there was just one damning stat that blew me away. Looked at I went down. What forty one points. If you look at the inside fifty count. They've had fifty two to thirty three. They've had no more inside fifties. And of being pumped what close to seven goals? And they've got Finlayson Him Aberg. Cameron we can't get a sniff at the moment. Yup, they just. Is just something terribly wrong with that place, but you have a little bit they. Will Get rid of the carriage. I think it's the on camera supplies. He gets his going to happen again. But. Hasn't history showing that it's not. Yeah well, well, a little people Tyson Zach Williams tweet from that. He would be absolute jet on anyone's half back on. What are you can? He thought of my don't bust March for the small, but nobody else wants to come along for the road. While that's another question for another die Mary's around Jeremy Cameron. What's the curious case of Cameron? Well, he's getting paid a random at one point two lastly she. Judy's back ended contract. That's a lot of coin you gotta Pie for a blood WHO's not hidden scoble much she. At, regardless of regardless of if you look at WHO's got to be winning Coleman's and stuff, he's Shubais for he's a man of talent for what he's done. I've lost number. He should be pulling at. Threes fools every week. With the with the man of Rolls Royce serves, he should be getting. Yeah. He's Putrid. It's not good. Not good head of the. Is for them. Is it? Look this thing and by his way get trapped into sometimes even asked talknet football. As we look at the age profile of listen, we are all there young list they're going to develop. This is a young talented list look. Here walk into almost any other team in the NFL. but something needs to fundamentally change like we spoke about the sons. The sons will lock this for a while and something needed to fundamentally change and they. Spurs Day lightning Rod was having a few obviously. Joji coach. a couple of K couple of K. recruits. Who asked me look at Brisbane lions bit locked that they had a couple of K. recruits that when just change if team they need someone there who had. Experience or come from strong team show the young able had apply yet. while. As combet. The greatest waste of spice a finished. Would inside their way spice growing the game up north but they are the greatest waste of talent and have a look at they run for the Knicks number of weeks I follow. The Bockel this weight loss easy Guy North Road trip to West. coast. Then I have another belter against dockers. So there's potentially to interrupt because dockers implying bay football at all non. Let's get on that shortly. Then they play Carlton at home. Then I play A. Delight. Yep. Which I should win. Second last ran of the title on the days. And finish off the season with a guy against the KILDA. That's not an easy ron going into the finals. If potentially they're to make it and we're GonNa, talk about Sykes night his liner on who climbed the ladder and whose law of it I think that the the monarchy was a look at these now. Oh, an absolute assured like you can't have econ have Callan Ward going round getting twelve possessions for a game not that's not that's not acceptable for. A leading midfielder in the game Tim. TORONTO THIRD AIM Jock Colville. Thirty like the Lucky Whitfield for physicians as on. These are jets. I had something and I had to bring this on because it was something that Rust Spot Greg Combet might highlights out starting gofundme page Tom. Lynch's Tom to pay his cheese I. Look Roscoe now, you very very well and would love to. I have. Tom leeches actually going to have to really worry about but funding. At, sort of transgresses old trains What's the word trained sludge trains, transition transitions, rains, issues. It's into one of my first quick ends of the not, which is quick hanes big pipe at on July, the NFL fallen amounts for striking out a jarque. Wow. I think our launch at a perfectly the died on the NFL by not. What do you mean for which you're GONNA go to. These guys are getting a mill and we've fallen them. A thousand bucks. Yeah. Okay. So that's eight hundred bucks. So leads into a guy the other day if we're GONNA be serious about this punching the NFL Neetu. Basir is about this punching and stop sending a proper message. But we don't want to see the best players rubbed off. On small incidents are not let's it's a five either way you look at a Jamie I don't want to pull the trigger on it but they WANNA have the the googles planet the science on. Eight did you see the NFL's rulings for the punt for the phones that he got both of them were classes I sit one was classes I sick and defense. Clauses a first offense. Serious Yep Yep and then we know what was going to happen. Next week pips is is some kindergar- there doodle jump a punch earlier or something here there and get three weeks for all Tommy. Tommy Hawkins deep on the other way we threw an elbow back. Got Nothing. This Nafi you souks more than most foods actually human robot put together biggest bunch of soups on the. Field. amendment. thereby thrown away fronton and nothing happens but your son Little Joe blow was played. He second guy we'll give a bit of a love kept someone I will go after him. and. It's already happened to game with another one of more quick quick Hanes which is poppy lavas. Expensive lawyer would is out for the season, a fifty thousand dollar fine for the swans. This floods into exactly what you were talking about my. If you heard what this young lady deed. To get to her. Beautiful Elijah Wood. To meet up. She's had a fair crack at growl thereby thirsty I. I say you know you can't later holes to water, but you can't. You can host to what about you can't make a drink crap you can make thirsty. Four to fourteen day drought and she was there, Steve well he was thirsty. Thursday yet an aura dime and I were thirsty and they wanted to down to the wealth. Overnight Pepsi's why why outweigh signees Sony up for some Olympic event hurdles dot cross country crossed Poe vote. Immobilize All just now hal the triple jump. So. Why? So you saying that are leading back onto your point he signed that law was treated unfairly in the circumstances compared to the Richmond situations I think these. Situations Probably, like eleven or twelve clubs have already been hit by these private sanctions already. The thing that frustrates me is at this in big AL, more blatant breaches and got. Terms. Of fawn was nothing these key guys out look? He was going forward he couldn't ordering. Dot couldn't get takeaway. So he's had him delivery. and. He's he's been busted and he's until you might stop. Demean. which is fair enough like he's cut and it was it was stupid. But you've kicked the kid for the season and you'd given the Fawn to the swans. This has gone through a couple of scenarios that we should talk about at light started the golf course antics. That didn't get as much as this you mentioned. Richmond. Letting it as much as this. Let's go into. And Buckley Zoning to have a game of tennis. With Sandison and Mullick. Even get half as much as this this young girl at post her now, this is the difference I think she pasta forging dies they hadn't, and that was where the the breach Pussai. All I think that the foreign was there but I think they've gone white too hard. It's it. People look at it. Once again, the whole sniff test these does not possible it's an easy low hanging fruit. I mean I could say that I'm I'm I'm probably more willing to split it fifty fifty I think that. What Sydney going GonNa miss out another full five games of the season I think that service I think this is probably the appropriate Vaughan if people bridging private practices considering we know how fast shit can spread. and I think that probably a similar fine should have been applied to Buckley will fought fine end suspension and a fawn and suspension to. who is along? We said Richmond. I think that I think this feels about right but I find it very Lucky said before protective all that stars and willing to hang this kid out is. There's no transparency in society is going to happen as we spoke a little bit early with punching things young kids a gallery and smacking the Gotz and he'll be he'll have the book thrown at him. Well, let's look at what's. New Bolan. Nolan, perfect example, tackle the tackle the tackle. Against Satellite. Garden. Yet we saw we saw it with saying examples of that. Hundred Times on it. Maybe maybe twenty times a season where it's a very similar tackling motion where the end it is a forcible, it's pivot. It's it's literally a drop in. But yet near Berlin who is outside pips you've got me maybe Melbourne's top twenty five. Yet twenty, five, million that he's one of three to me. Yes. and he'd be triggering very happy about that every single way. So they penalize him. But yet let the other other ones go through saying low tackle because the person got up it's fine and that's and that's the other issue that's come back. It's more about the outcome rather than intent there was no intent for when he'll tackling to knock the out it was tackle. Yeah. There was a slinging action probably. Three weeks I. think that extra weight just doesn't doesn't see wrought. Look at what Burgoyne did not cleared. You see look Hal How does this Mike Saints and unfortunately that's the same message. It's GONNA come out of the NFL every single week when we go through these way way going to sit back and Might you say that you transparent far from it was a disgrace. He's a disgrace. All right. Let's let's spayed. Spade why and we are we are swing the magnets a little bit. So who got your three votes for the weekend and who is getting dragged? Who is alone lot? Start with. Up to you like it gives more three votes I kinda got three votes goes to the hike him. I S news who sunk the dockers after the sarin on the weekend. The white hey lasted. That is one of the greatest let alone. Cheeks of assessing. Little on after the sort alum dolls kicked full stop. The Bull Shawny Bowl tied legs. Three, three rows back. He was almost at the by seeks Nakba, that's L. fired of the credit a cameraman. Cameron behind him? And he is launched. It was his alsaud leg as well. It wasn't the insulin and he was a good publi made her and a half inside the boundary. She a tell you what it was. One of the greatest Kissel I've ever seen of I all little on off the sorry. In the sign moments. WHO's getting dragged? A month blaming the employees. On blind really now blaming the pause for this one because all of that. Had nothing to do. If Fremantle. Tabuena just grabbed the bull took it over the boundary. All stood the put his hands up. All belt down the grant or did something completely different instead of these Brian fight which at all. The antibodies. Stuff, that's but they will that wouldn't have happened if. You've done the right thing just taking the bowl of the lawn instead of he's. One of the dumbest things I've ever seen. He's the WHO gets dragged in more. Opinions. From the one game. WE'VE GOT A. Site who now blue a pot dockers. against a doctor who had a Shoka? Alaka you're much. Like it a lot. All. Right. Three to one. I think you and I unanimous are absolutely like no. Doubt, about it should have had more probably should my? Love astronaut archetype he has a fees week. Yep number two is Tom Hawkins a main gutter respect where respect is due. And he made clear look bitch and. didn't play Jonas on. Yeah. Good. Good question I think. In the end they did swap but I think it was getting smashed anyway we don't really we play system like most teams these days where you play you um flooding backs. Six? And I support in double up but. It was just the bowl was coming in that. That fast that we're just getting one out with you getting smashed the and you look at the why he was throwing clear. Well while people with a people with chop where he's got about an angel to have a clearer about twenty five kilos understand why clue was trying to play front shorter the whole Tom I don't get it. I don't understand it well, if you saw. Brian likes. Weights at that. You always planning back shoulder. Out of always playing back shoulder. So that's. A number number one that the one from the was not an individual. But I have my one vote to the North Melbourne football team, he'll come. I just thought I applied a really brave game against Brisbane lines lines and bribed because they've gotten They've got no reason to actually be that competitive against them. And Yet They closed What was in the end fifteen, almost twenty point. Deficit in the, fall quarter. To almost win it and not have been terrible. They've got stars that don't deserve star. Status. And drop them they swat nice one, the magnets and I looked. Hundred percent better. Is Amazing that team got pumped by the days. Yep Wake you guard you have come in and done that that was a great. That was a good last couple of minutes to watch as well too. but as it, every team is going to have their Bab- on Brisbane had day bad one on the weekend and the will lucky to describe through. But just was good to see. Seventeen round season. That's what the beauty of it is. Is that. It's famous across the board. There's there's no. Coming out the back. I. Didn't round not shape Dogan. Seventeen because you can't play yourself. Kenya. I. K Look. So. So every guy main, so much more, and that's why we have a look at the ladder right now let's get the graphics up off the Latte up just have a lucas. Got This going. Now, if you have a look at these levels we apply a little bit of snakes ladders with this one. So who slides out of your top bite in snow. Climbs in based on what you see the. List what do you reckon? I'm going to say? RC. Unless something drastically changes. I'll say, Collingwood, slotting at Yep. and I say potentially the Budo dogs banging. kyw. To look at these Roy nail all I still think this is very controversial but I still think the danger team who had gone a full at from. This is GONNA be seculow. cuter calling would would be the two that I'll putting told you think run home is not easy. They've got some tough guys coming up against the top teams. They had three nights to so who left. So, they've got a lines, Eagles Essendon hold on J, ws in Melbourne prior to the weekend just gone. Yep. They had three teams that had to fight through in the top right now. Now, it's only two with the lines in the eagles who are red hot loins in the eagles. Okay. You've actually got Lemoyne forgotten that. I fly album. Sorry. That's three teams a three team that back in the free yet that's back into three. So it's not going to be easy for the middle and I'll just think calling would have too many injuries they just they just got a full over at the wrong time against all would sight but his security market modernise divided I applied on the way caned the magnificent thought largest Olsen again, Ching boys was was really to say, yeah, yet it. Just, it just humming along Di did what they have to very, very healthy percentage, but it still percentage outside of the full. What ally they two guys? Percentages okay. Sorry. Depending on what happens they're gonNA make four full up. That's the way I see it because if I can waiting, just got to put pressure on the above and the percentage is going up if they start losing teams below which like you said, there's a number of in the in that as well. GonNa keep climbing as well. So it's it's an exotic these are Oregon. Or Kamov gunness leaking for seventh or eighth. which if you ask me five weeks, I would say Jamie get the whatever your own. because. It just not atrocious at the moment Calton. Guy Diamond percentage et. GW Esa, backward at a right notes wisdom bulldogs one of the they'll. View is. Very very hard run coming up and they're going to struggle if the daisies week Kinda give them some hope if they lose to the daisies white. GotTa make it very, very difficult very difficult. It's an exciting time. I would have thought you know what five rounds to guard. And is so many spots available. You're not GONNA get that. With. With the extended extended much Tom's ball Iran fourteen, fifteen, th the ice locked. Now, it's going to be jockeying for position. You mentioned something about the top four in relation to some quick aims more framed. Is the talk full look Daniel. Thoughts. I I look at the top full and I just think. At side of that, I don't say who's GonNa drop coming for I mean. Port in Delong have really. Got Unipolar and coming from a very nervous poured support as we as we all are as you are with Melbourne yet you don't trust them. We only have calling would in the top device and they looking really shaky. So you're in a good spot to take that you could. You could be stolen. In way that's it we. Look at where guy were a game. Clear of of the bottom of the full. So west coast of Fourth of the moment of Saint Kyodo of fifth on thirty points with that he seeks. I'm Brian We wouldn't want to stumble anymore but this is the this is. It doesn't matter where in the top four finish she. Exits top I even say top. Well outside 'cause yet double chance to but there's no harm funnels. Other than if you are Brisbane door west. Adelaide, but we're going to get one while the rumor is is that they won't be any funnels planning earth I kind because our because if you let's just say you'll west coast. You Finish full. So you're gonNA, have to play in Queensland. Nephew win that one you get the way coffee. Jeleva. But the team whose plays the next week would only have a week off. So they couldn't play prelims ivory earth. Play a I fall unless awake beforehand. Say. They're going to have that wakes breaks unless that occurs. That's all that West Coast won't be playing falls I'm at all. Yeah. Sorry. Look top top four is good but it's not for the reasons we traditionally talk about a good. Yep, definitely. It's it's cracking run home for the season. Yep. Saimaa much. So. Much so much. What did we Guy Way? We Guy I One thing that I wanted to bring up walls or GONNA phone call do you know these number? Do. You know this phone number ending in. Five. A final blow by two seven. Dot Pips Ni- not. For anyone out there has a final any in five to seven congratulations because that's exactly the same number is deicing system lost one final. Again. Never going get. All right. So what else is in on on the rundown today pattern where else is on your rundown Miranda? Okay. One thing we've had a quick without a view, a question asking me this one and it is the only thing I want to know is will max go and play these wake apparently team English is out. Well Murph to Meghan you are on fighter not on the tweets on the facebook chat listeners told you get on the chat be part of the show you? It's all about you. It's how you want your footy. This is what put move. I would say that if gone is fit replying. Even though I proved mcjob job against Grundy las week yet. Burris is a difference. It's almost if we played if we play preuss to give that extra week, I get it but it's what going around the ground and just a civil service he provides to a midfield to a humming at the moment it's gotta a it hot or not fear Rochman. But for your rumbles and I think that. Goodwin said earlier in the wake at he's trying to awake. He was almost ready to go but they gave him the extra week. Arkan slotting striding because it's a night point dine we win this way virtually in the again Cla we lose these, we just go back to that to that group. Again, we still got that guiding hand, but we don't want to have to rely on that guy between just think he's too important of apply it to leave at. Once again. Sing Bryden proof steed last week. Magnificent on a tape means if he's available plying if his any shadow of a doubt. You don't. But it makes it easier for us not having team English coming Yep I'm mostly just wash equipment just skewered. Greg what while she skewered accident. That's the could that was a terrible game. Isn't it? Yeah. That was a bad job just. Almost. Not at Allied ranted close to. Adelaide. Rented this season. I Yeah. They they gone backwards at a rapid right probably drizzle kicks side one thing Dr or real sight wanting. I came out after half time and I played some cracking football and it was down to one block. Do you know who that bloke was a jamie just set the volume. Volume Ready. Here we got. took. Plight some gripe. was everywhere he was the only thing that you would like about that game was what he didn't. It was their best player by big midfield. Role show eggs aren't they. Just. Look, right on the APP sought but these absolute sheet on the solid. Well, it's unsustainable at doing that direct down the line kicking all kicking back three or full chains to get forward again, these days that that doesn't work anymore because teams to fit teams too fast and they're gonNA just cover that Zarin plus you don't have the skills to apply to possession game, lock the whole phones or the Jones Day, and that's the thing is about Gyn planes and. Discovering, these more Moore's law sort of listen to it from the playas listen Elvis from the churches, etc. It's no matter. How could you gain plan is if you have the plies to execute, it doesn't mean anything. And I think that's why clocks INS. worked. So well for so many years because he had the caliber fly handled it. I'll go back to more time five weeks ago they could not heat water fi fell head of Bart. That's how bad I will going into the fifty. Now, five wakes light out they've won five Eta Avila seeks and I look stunning moving forward because they fondly by people who lower their all is and apply the guy in plane as is desired. Yeah and the results are completely different. Probably, what would have been trying to do we but we just didn't know how to execute Yep. So time, planes do what you just need to have the cattle to be able to do it otherwise, it's just GonNa be a wise to Tom. We'll be we'll be raining by the end of the week. Diane. I just said before thank you. You're not fake credit I gotTA. Beauty Mex- king is. Looking to better of the twins. It was calm. was clocking his brother Guiso rod is military, but a bit of a difference from the midfield he's going to be more. He's going to be Manila's coming through to him at the moment. The one upping goal coast table when that team shoes a little bit more row comes back next year. We signed different things but Josh battle is having an absolute. Corker of Ye, Dylan she'll. This is Dylan. She'll to a T. first of all, it has a main bud Roy for anyone who doesn't Jamie had a main ben only started respecting him as soon as he got rid of it. Touches on the weekend for two hundred and thirty seven majors gained. Of, stats. You don't talk about Mrs. Guyana. I do. Think it's sheets that they don't look at that and go hold on now actually makes the states. Yeah. Like Equity Touch the bowl twenty non. Easy. He's getting. He's getting less than ten meters a position. You basically signed the Tom Mitchell is worth two replies. was because he gains like four hundred meters following a made us again not really has positions forty into four, hundred ten. The math site law. Zach Jones had twenty six got four, twenty one. Main Doc- perish. A. Tell you what? You'd be you'd be a little bit fifty fear additional support now in that you infidelity parish in the next pick Melbourne got quite in all of. You'd be a little bit paved about that. We gotta go down that route because I've. got. The whole team of people that we but they had a coq role awake and he was firmly with typical Moody Database. Twenty nine for three, fifty four. So at least he's doing something with it Zach Merrett full sixty seven off. He's twenty four. So these differently, you don't have to get a lot of to do something with it. Yeah. But he just doesn't do enough with Dylan Shield he's getting paid way too much money to be reckon up stats like that. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is the last year on the Bush plan isn't well, isn't really under the worship plane 'cause Oregon Rotten's already taken. Well. Conspiracy Theory. I'm telling you nail of told you these. Nice someone. Very close. To the essendon charging realm and he said that. He hasn't right rotten at all. As a coach. You, live dearest. Dearest. Slept may might not many doesn't ride him as a coach and he's the highway and it's GonNa put a lot of people off sounds like you based on the walls down. Yeah. Might it's out of the five K. radius. Lockdown. Wouldn't want to go. To. Baghdad news next to. Anyone ought bag. Great question high these ones come straight off the chat all these these I think this one is perfect for what we're talking about. What list would you want Gulf coast or Gw s going forward? Table TV Madigan you you you. They pay if you're going to get the the Lisette low so to not based on grand. Elliott just. Steady. The awake. Dole coast eighty day of the week. Are woodlake. I would still take my Gwa's list, but I wouldn't be surprised if. I wouldn't fly before J wn. Off Totally The difference between what's happening at Gw s an what's happening at the Gulf coast is that. The Gold Coast young group precise haven't had have virtually old committed. Knicks. The Knicks number of years and that more frames that is accelerating. That's what I'm looking down. Searches are really like watching. Gold Coast play. They're a little bit La Calton count and apply some. Yet, they planned really good food and they've just been stung a couple of times and she levels to boy I think a couple of points when way gave out Poseidon Gold Laid. Down, pause wouldn't of cosimo Guy waco-style cells. So they are going in the right direction goal Costa going in the right direction. Massively exhauted that what those teams are GonNa pull it next company said he's an absolute belter question ongoing Goldenseal J. W. S. Yeah. We want more of it thumbs up to you move eroding. Pips but I mean J. W. S. someone said about Now what was a comment on the chat? Remember anyway they bascus said no no fans who watched them That's also a concern for Jay DUBB's list as well because no fans others top end draft picks who now had sixties in the system wanted to stay up in. The but it's a, it's a false economy up the. Arkansas got an album each. All this is the this is the card he night supporters. When he the Winning spellcheck wasn't working to that's okay. Move to lockdown when the bottom that will guard. I think they. Throw it on a think day just once again, that's a false economies that I have to pay service for people die. All right here's what's next on the list. I want these all wanted to bring up and. Have a bit of a laugh of a giant called on the PODCAST HD. You single wake up one thing that I wanted to bring up as of said. Es James Lounge within ICL. As as the top of Playa that just gets on the nerves of so many opposition supporters but he be one of the ones that you would. Sigh odd loving to be playing with Martin. and to see how we went down, it was very Jackley recently that he did easily. and to see he literally is the future at pokes. Probably would have been their next captain. to say someone gamble Seattle it's not good in the best of toes to see something as innocuous as that. Can Save. Twelve months cited to jibe cicely I am feeling for it because, yeah, that's tough to side and he's an absolute easily guy not by means of the grant he's going to be sorely missed by the NFL community, but also team as well. Time Tommy comes back will be starting around one anyway because they're talking about an eight month off season a serious serious ed. Women Win this back the canes what are you talking about? attached that could be looking at A. Month off season. When did that did that come up on the news while it's awesome that? Pocket. Wallis. Incoming apply. Sorry. If, I was just trying to get through this season Yep. I am, and then let's just say what happens carbon worth Texas in the next twelve months. Interesting of Devon heard that listeners viewers viewed that give us a hell. Yeah. But often have not heard that at all whatsoever swell. While from now on, I'm a much thought throwing things against the against the doppler and say what sticks and then I can call myself. Cara Woah Buddy Samuel. Oh. Ninety seven maybe you're on twitter page and give yourself comments on how Olsen you I'll. Brown. Jeremy Cameron is coming to put out a light in twenty twenty. We'll be at, collingwood. On I six year deal. Twenty. Twenty One Alan Richardson is taking over the Melbourne football job. That's funny. Funny. I delight when the second. Time. In. Three thousand could matthew. Niks decanes when he could meth unique but he the first coach. Almost. All odd sized ever to not win get to win a game and get sacked. To note with a game and get sacked. In the NFL will definitely I F L. I. I'D I daren't Nar Dino vets the TAME or Darn of his coaching all it just. PIPS. It's bad. It's bad. sewer fast he's trolling I just have been cattle. Kettle in the park texts. Tae. Sun. Might these finished down East Finish Put a core for the full. Can You buy? You're done I just a quick mention to all. Listeners out there that. Chip Dad is back these wake tip debt. He's back. We had a couple of weeks off because the festival of forty was almost impossible on tape who's flying because we didn't know who was playing women applying. The teams etcetera but we're back these wake Thursday not will be back with Al Tips for the upcoming round thirteen. The dog is on Foia on purpose amendments are die follow what all guy with but we'll be back with Al Tips and more importantly in just a few weeks time lisette its one hundredth I'll say that again, why am hundred episodes? So we're to go back in reminisce on a couple of things and chat about the journey that we've had. On the self-appointed number one I felt podcast. Breach as said, pips the podcast no one asks. Listened to I might look up with actually we've actually gone through everything. Any final thoughts anything that you want to quickly wrap up before we just only just quickly back over a comment look back into the shades walk. Quick, comment event something you mentioned that to sky now called Brown line I mean Yep Yep why not give it to them. Gee. Banga. CD. That one. And magical the wags gone away So it's gotta be up the grave GONNA be up the Queensland GonNa get everything. It's like I said I never thought outside is but I'm really enjoying the food at the moment it's getting down every guy main soy much. Gee All the drafting stuff works a little bit lighter on another going to be having a draft of GonNa do it. Then I had to do combines etcetera we'll follow that and Mussameh Phipps You just quickly just WanNa do you WanNa just dumb. Joins, US give me an apology. For the kind of season, just a quick went. Knocking. All better. Season what do you mean I? Is I didn't has an games of the season EPS. Heck in the Bay and Games this season if his teams in the united play yourself seventeen rounds. But this is Apologizing. I. Just just just just deployed. Apologize. I. Had never happened in an edited at Mossy now. Lost thing I WANNA do is reach a magnificent mom. Donna turning seventy tomorrow you supported us in style and have not listened to one episode and we absolutely love you. have a fantastic birthday from all of here. and. A why be breaching any covid related even that much love you on the pie six, eight hundred just to come and see you. So we'll be zooming you tomorrow not. Perfect perfect or at least is have a great way Jamie. Galaxy this week, we'll talk about in the next episode of Tip Dapper. More pull ahead you lock your football. Community. I love Lisek community and I do love football out and I love you and I love you I, love you list is have a great week and we'll see these tom next week. Sarah snus. That was loss religious stuff according.

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Ep 91: Tipped Out's AFL Round Nine Tips

Lace Out AFL Podcast

21:03 min | 10 months ago

Ep 91: Tipped Out's AFL Round Nine Tips

"Welcome Ladies and gentlemen. So tipped out round nine pips and John All Kia your tips l. y. h week dolittle. It's just how you WANNA HAVE A. Good. I'm just reading about a former job just destroying the clarinet too. Well good on admits probably only chump change to that young man who was it during Patil cheap and he's not going to go well with the investors these white but you know what don't worry about Formula One, I'll a rich boy sport. Let's talk about the the sport that every general human being on these great country can relate to the great. Sport to come on Man Sport. AFL football starting to not as we speak, the game has started Western bulldogs versus Richmond's Cape and this one simple Jamie on gone with the wisdom bootle during some really good form like don't Richmond they got too many out and just let the the dogs doing anything in the moment and they gonNa win. They're GONNA win what convincingly I am going to go. The opposite. I'm the. Cowboy. I like the in this week who they re do not. Ching Signi stacked. Call and Jack. Ross. On probably with dogs this week like I said, I'm really confident playing some pretty good football green. The sons last week and I just the way that they do and their thing at the moment, and it's the ones that we don't talk about. It Richard Probably having his best game of the season so far Mitch Wallace is getting back to some of the great work. He's been doing Iva. The bonds by implying pretty good football as well titled. Daniel. The little pocket rocket Pisces one hundred Guy Williams plays fifty Jack mccrie. One Fiji. CYSTIC Saudi I'll just let the why they going up on the one four, the last five. Richmond boot gains going they've lost the last aimed one three and then lost before just like the way. That they've beaten as well to doggies. CD Bayton north of beaten and S. and them. We're at the at the forest and I made a really good team. They got paints last week unfortunately Richmond against GW is- I have beaten North Sydney. They debate my mom as well too and lost to Richmond. They've lost better quality teams and they'd just not foreign what they realized. That hogs I'll just have get the talks or let's move into the game of the ranch. It's as simple as this ladies and gentlemen. It is the whom push road and what's cup. Or otherwise known as the T. W.. Cup between Melbourne and Port Adelaide the traditional home of these teams seven fifty pm at the Gabba. Tell you what? He's GonNa Liking for the ex he's swung its on Naval Jetta. Holly Banal is being managed and I can understand that didn't play the foreigners game. Last week Raleigh on his bar admitted taught Marshall is injured. That's really supporting for your job. Tell me Mac cyclops is back in the Sparrow Tom is with Jared Lena and Tom Rawcliffe look. I'm simply gone with the days. They're playing some fantastic football over the last couple. Iran's they kicked themselves out of their Third Weenen Harare against Brisbane last week or just think if you put both teams up against each other, they would be the better inform team. A new script across the lawn against Calvin couple of weeks ago. Otherwise, you'd be looking at three losses potentially third in Iran. With the day's gone with the Great Team Grand Old. Flag I have to ask the question might you come over the lot saw sticking with your mom? On. GonNa stick with my team but they're spending just quickly type to include them. What happened tell cliff book voting she for the fact that we're going to get smashed in the midfield. So they're trying to bring you a bit of a experience and body to go against yours. and Raleigh bone just abundance vein admitted because he's just fell standard and jared. Lana. You'd have to police feel to get a contract next year so. I think the laws will win, but it's not gonNA change my tipping ongoing question about your loyal man in that game is going to be on channel seven eight. These would suggest highly recommend do whatever you're doing tomorrow and at seven fifty. Just ignore the family, ignore the off the husband sit on the phone and just get on the lifestyle channel because Jamie and we'll be sending some messages about the game to each other unhealthy going so they could be. Getting and be part of the fun that he's going to be at seven fifty tomorrow. We're GONNA double hit out in the last homeless sort doubleheader on a fraud. I was the first game. This one will be on. An foxtel five, forty pm very early start. This one is Carlton versus the Hawks at up the stadium, their traditional home of these teams. Look against if you have a look at the two teams and the way that they've been playing, there's only one decision you can really go with. Yeah and that's how offering. They four lawn is being bad. They've won three they last full one of those was the kick after the SAR into your mob full of loss loss fall and convincingly on every one of those games even last week when did lose by seven points to see me that will reply outplayed old I. They are the Jurassic Park of the I f. l. and they going every about forward at the moment and a think shoots of Calton. They've got some green against them. They just got some hung out. They've got some desire they're playing pretty good football at the moment and I think that he just got to take it at Tyke it at by. A convincing margin this could be one allies games. It could get a little ugly Oregon. Yup. I think. Look let's never say double header knots every game. This is GONNA be a To forty game. Locally for W. Way. But Russ. NFL? Oh. The. Let's put it this Jamie the Elleray's and this is going on is because of the whole Kobe stuff and we know that what's interesting about the fraud I not game its first fraud I not I can't remember where channel seven and not showing it. Showing me you. Showing. Banner was being held I will take that back. It is the Itin diamond and this is gonNA be corker them isn't inverse versus the Brisbane Lions. Itin at metric on. By team sitting beautifully on the ladder as way speak the fall line four last fall off to brisbane thread of the last five to essendon mortgage losses were against Calton who were not playing football and the Western bulldogs a couple of weeks ago. Launched up against Geelong when they lost up there. Not Up the tick denia packages is card decided that because every game is up in Queensland, I've lost number wakes you just forgot that only three or four weeks ago the game was played in Melbourne. They. They just it's just gotTa be interesting match up. I'm going with bridge. With Brazil. The moment once again, I'm going with hot laws probably because I just don't want the win, but it's going to be playing some good footy. This number of key plays out, and at the moment we don't know if there's going to be coming back. Danaher. We don't know how long he's going to be back. fantasia is still out, she'll was out. Who else was the hookah was out to some quality that hasn't been getting around for. A. Few of the next couple of weeks they gotta be pricing for that top four spot but you just gotta go. You just gotTa go with hot laws the moment that's with prison they just gorgeous the what they're doing at the moment. This is about as interesting as A notebook with blank pages. ME. Okay a little bit different. Well, I don't know if you're going to be. That guy. Excited less what's going on to a surplus Saturday WANNA cracker three. Games to get into and I think this one's thoughts on the. foxtel platform. Waste said last the previous Guy Kobe game with Iran these easy with around strep yourselves. Zine Greg yourselves a bowl of popcorn and six pack because you got something to put jd misery as North Tyke on. ADELAIDE TO THIRTY At the traditional high of metric on stadium. Will. Get their first win of the season over north. Get a bounce back after losing what is it S- five in a wrong. Yep who you gone with Mike 'cause on God I don't know you. Has To be at has thirty north even though Italy showed a bit last week. scholley north on satellite. Sorry. Loud year I'll just I want to look at these two teams I. Think of the the previous use election you've got trump on one side and you've got. Hillary. On the other. Both absolutely shocking but somebody has to win. Think. Actually. Putting the leg Eddie on gang without alight. Win Some Weight I. I do agree I think. You're GonNa want me to wake after when they play Melvin. Not. Wanting to do at the mouth and thing to do it's a Melvin today. It is a Melbourne thing to do. You never know what's GonNa Happen We split at the. Four ten pm secure versus the swans. This is a real quick one science by a long stretch of the water grounds. I had to be the slogan on the weekend the swans it was a bit where they've getting four weeks rest, which is, which is interesting. But. Just thinks incurred are going to be way too way too quick way too fast end way to accurate scoreboard as well through that a great win last week keep belonging to the game. That is greg kicking lock of say Greg kicking is grateful. Grateful is great weaned size and I've got that one. Is a bit of an interesting one. Attain that got themselves back into form not. Just been humming along eighteen pm up to stadium west coast versus the cats this is going to be your general seven-game. Yeah thoughts Jamie on this one. This is this is GonNa Be Eagle Game I think I think the cats playing well but they are coming off a really really short. week so I think the Eagle probably would do it just because they're a little bit fresher and I think that Kennedy has He was hoping to play I. Don't think that he's taken a Lotta awfully it's going. So I'm GonNa go with because I think they're going to be fresh I think Kennedy is playing or the whole team is playing a lot better now. Getting back after the Tommy Queensland has definitely Gel them the struck full. They had a twelve goal turn around that just doesn't happen you ever not their fishy into the Ford was. Excellent. And Jillang, once again, I keep ticking along but the guy that they had over in Fremantle on no, that's in the same state that will take care of them as well. It was a monologue and they've got the short and wake like you've said. Flying okay football at the moment. Not Grateful. Just with once you've got a guy with a team that's had a ninety point turnaround. In. Three quarters of football. Let's go to be west coast I'm bipin green. See they to get the let's move onto scrumptious Sunday Sunday Roast Day, August the. Second. The battle, of the newbies at metric tonnes versus the joint three thirty five pm for Oh, you everybody who wants these one unafraid away? It is not going to happen. Where do you go with this one? Might if we said at the start again, you saw these game coming up on your schedule. You'd automatically go bang bj ws by how far. Yeah, it's This is a tough one because we do now would you know that Buddy row and came to San Luis. L. It's probably bigger Abbas. You gotta find. Any other club. when there's a stuff. But at the same time that went pretty close to whistle bulldogs awfully and you and saying that they're playing good for the moment. Joint speak. beat the Tigers but the JOE giant aren't playing great for the. Sons. Oh now to. Tell you the drill. The drill. I'm I'm GonNa Take GonNa take joint earned because they've had three of the La three wings and five wakes. Gareth lose the sons have had true. Yeah. But if you had to look at the the goal Carson's you only had those two means but. A couple of. Haven't been massive blow out. The interesting thing is if you have a look at the statistics over for these two teams over the course of the year, it's really law and so. The number of quarters that they've won is only one quarter. One quarter over the course of the more than Gold Coast points five different five points difference from what what they've both kicked, and even for a percentage perspective you're looking at I. Simple. That's because they've had a lot more points against them. So they've really shown across the board as well to underline bowl across all of these things, clearances, marks in fifties or they'll be hard for Gold Coast. Fund. Literally. True position. And if all had to go over team with a better structure. I would honestly go with Gold Coast and I think. If it hits the Fan Light Oregon GW is will implode. They've just got the habit of it. They continually do it can't seem to get out of it is a funk that I have. Just gone with that if it does come down to the crunch or think data team that are going to push through the most. Exciting to say no. To. Turn them to you on armed out the judge. Last but not least on Sunday roast Sunday, the game that everybody is definitely looking forward to run are looking forward to these. Tall look there's nothing family moving on Spring canceled Sunday not. Talkers. It's the dockers versus calling it up the stadium. It is your foxtail Ko Game Sixteen PM. What I'll say with this is. Has. The Cox being withdrawn. We haven't got out of the MOM and have we we would not up but I don't think you're GONNA Regain Yep I. Think Cox can feeding anywhere and he's not going to be able to crack into the. He's he's more theory. I think calling would have too many good players out structure pliers. And they can't cover them and that's what happened last week. You have hello pendlebury degree and sawed bottom. Your best would your best backman and two of your gun midfielders anytime with that amount of caliber four power out. is going to be able to cover it. Going with a massive upset with these I think that. The mob from Freeman who could pinch these one? Okay. They could. Pinch loss. They didn't have a great game on the way Kim but more you wasn't a great guy to watch the conditions were sparked footy cubs to play with. Football anymore. But, they've West Fremantle. They've won eight of their last. The last fall that's exactly the same as Freeman as calling what as well. We got smash last week. Do you ever look look at these. So. They lost by thirty two points site thirty, two points on Monday. Color got smashed. We know that boy sixty six the way before that they loss by five dolls to two west coast to Renou. Now, looking back were in great form. They beats and killed her and they alight all all the time calling with I bet you along member game with where did that sort of come from? And if Britain. Before that got smacked a little bit by. An and got beaten by gwa's at the punch after giving up a considerable late did not in any form to say that. I thought I tell you I on the. Guy With Fremantle. I think fremantle starting to get a bit of a group together on anything fof will be back. This week that would mean that you have only had one wake up. If I put the two. So who's who's got the more power to do something and get across long? Dude I'm telling you ellison's fremantle these. Aw. Compelling case. Look across the colon with one they The top of. The two teams season that averaging why Hara then. Fremantle across the fantasy points, they do more with it and then more damaging with it. So. We're talking about trouble ground beside bottom adams, how pendlebury and then from the down yard. Yada Yada. Yada. So the top, the top echelon is much higher than those. but then for the nine. Lucky. Just really. Haven't got this week that Fox Netflix off with a tipped for. The tip the balance for me. I just think it's GonNa be culling would after getting smacked up last week I think they're gonNA come out. and. Much better show did yeah. A love culling would do that because. There's actually not many teams that are think you're six year on the field from a planning perspective not from a kettle perspective I just want to clarify that everybody not that sign that there's anything wrong with that. I just like the way I apply when it when they foreign. But when they're not, they miss for bigger than most teams and just I just think that last week what I did and the whole was leaving the why that wasn't the amount it was how they lost some of the footage I were chasing couldn't keep. The midfield I twenty five first. At all calling. The midfield is not fast. It's not quick. On a just adjusting pendlebury such a big loss from. There's no one to cover them in Freeman will. Price apply some great footy at the moment. WHO's the other one? He's nine, the other high draft peak as Walter. Oh for Freeman go blank. They. Just I just love the way that I'll just let the way that they're doing things in a blip on the right on Monday not considering the conditions over read too much into it as well. Toy Side I'll Sarah that's one is looking for Sarah. Michael Sarah I'm. THEM ON. Two minutes. When he goes down and fakes fakes fakes A. Flop. Academy. Awards stuffy. He's got the credentials for it. That's another week of. Free Tip, and so we're looking at I'm gone doggies going Richmond, way split in Melbourne and port ongoing cal on it Yo during the same. Yoga. Ongoing. Brisbane going. Essendon I think. Congress has been we're splitting off the net allied Guyton killed up ongoing west coast, your going Geelong, Nanyang Wisconsin. Wisconsin's as well two sons versus joint some on the sun's. Joints and I'm going to doctors and you're going. Calling it, that's eight listeners that ease your round nine tapes round nine. Can you believe it? Is Only football left until the finals. Depending on what goes on with these covert that could be ran about October twenty, twenty four. We never know. What this is tipped lisette online. Jamie's out Jeremy Heavy framed. Lock them at. and He tell you what he is doing an amazing job listeners. We don't do you guys remember back get on tomorrow not or to not. If you're listening lice out page on facebook, the tempus watts road and plight of just renamed it. That's how volatilities. Gephardt of Gephardt of the band mature through. Good luck with your tipping help you pick a winner and we'll see you next. Tuesday. Night Lisette live take.

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Competition, Transparency and Social Proof: Will Ainsworth

Elevate: The Official Podcast of Elite Agent Magazine

47:18 min | 1 year ago

Competition, Transparency and Social Proof: Will Ainsworth

"Rather than putting a range or a process like most agents do and that once again the detracts or attracts boss to the property. This is law of it's real. It's facts as evidence that there varies eibar at the with the process on these property at X.. And then that will do two things. Boswell say great value in ten to the time well they want and Dole can really see the true value of the property. And that's why does love these prices. 'cause I can say exactly at any given time how the market is a foaming based stone. The current beat that they've got you listening to elevate the official podcast openly agent for real estate industry. Sales Professionals Company manages and leaders Litas each episode. We bring you the best minds in business in real estate to help you least more sell more. Elevate your results to connect with all things elite. The agent including the latest news coaching and beaches subscribe at our website elite agent dot com. Hey Hey we're back. The back of their code of the elevate. PODCAST on market woods from elite. Agent Samantha McLean editor of elite agent. When we say we're back with knots? It's not really weeds back back. Oh is in Geelong which is a long way from high. It was a bit of a plane. And Wrong Carteret uh-huh plane annalong contract year because Donald and to make me. It was fun anyway. It was for the property management lending retreat and Yeah in Enj- along so and there's property managers have a good time so you got sign but in the middle of like a hey positions and networking and stuff like that is Super Fun Activities Tributaries. I'm anxious squeezing. A podcast with will is worth from the graduate. Now I remember will Ainsworth name very well. Because we're the McGraw awards. A few months ago up off rocked up had had the the ALMANAC jacket on. I'll tell you what it was. Almost felt like every other reward was will ainsworth the team from garage along their on stage a lot which is what made me go seek him out. Actually because I was Cajun I well. The region's haven't haven't done so badly this year is everyone saying. The market's down the east coast of being a bit soft but the regions and there's some regional centers have been doing really well JR along. He's one of those areas Jason. They've had a lot of investment from the Victorian government around the university and stuff like that. Yeah so we'll Ainsworth. And he's tame basically he's placed in the talk talk to percents of industry professionals number of sales in Victoria and he has an impressive auction clearance rate of ninety percent. Now that's also little bit unusual for regional malaria because traditionally the regions are not auctioneers demo probably trade areas but basically we'll has coughed himself out a name for for being the top actiony in that region easel so good local little moving extra part of that auctioneering activity that he doesn't he well he does. He's an innovator. And and and as we've seen is very pro tech trends of kind of sprung up the last twelve months and one of them is not just the train to online auction nearing but trained into doing deals online and he uses a tool called. I've been negotiation to to do his tools so basically sitting listing presentation with will and he laid out private trading negotiation option and he'll explain the benefits of each one to the person that listing with. But I guess having those options and being muster of those options is what allows him to convert those listing. I'm picking the right one for the moment and the type of client that you working with. Yeah exactly and basically so we talked about all of them and we talked about. He's approach to auction and things like that but I guess what was really interesting too. About what a really dug into the stuff with over negotiation. Because he's given us a case study of how this all works so basically compared to something traditional I've been a level of transparency that he's not I wouldn't call it a day but it's probably the easiest way to be able to get get you hit around it from what I've been told in the beginning it is because if you think about it so basically whatever. The current bts on the open negotiation platform is what you see on real estate. They'll come to the year so you know how h property has. The price on real estate will become beat on earth. Negotiation is what people say route. So it's not like you can sort of be over under quitting or anything like that it's just like the ultimate depresses the process. He also in transparency. And then it's really interesting. The way that the deals get wrapped up and of course go guys do all of this on the podcast as well and it's quite an exciting process. Where during negotiations during the last little beat the auction? We'll go over to the vendors house and they'll be able to see him in action on the fine advise and stuff like that real time while this is going on so and Super Nice Guy Excellent excellent. What do you think the big takeaway from this podcast audience? Well I think so. We'll have built an amazing team and amazing team culture and he's he's been an innovator in a regional area so I think number one is you know even though people might say well. My market's different. I think wheels kind of proof that best best practice works anywhere also. The thing is to try new things so we'll be trying different things with vendors and making sure that you know he's he's always playing with a straight bet with these vendors. which is you know something? That's so important in real estate and the other thing I think that is really interesting about will is. He's approached to work life balance so like he was quite often with me towards the end about how you can really let real estate. Can She me but being the CO director the business and leading payment people that he's growing and that sounds looking always on target. Very always on bit will is big advocate for looking after yourself as well. I'm sure they were GONNA be tons of takeaways on this particular episode definitely so we have two things actually so number one is we have the usual show nights and the transcript and we have action God for this one. There's a special link to a case study with will on how he uses negotiation which is Which is pretty interesting so if you're on the fence about looking at some of these online platforms that's a really good wants to download? So you get the links to that as well plus all of that that little value bombs and things like that that will along the way and there was a lot of them so so the case study will be in the in the post that's accompanying the actual podcast. So they're also have the short Lincoln the action God's Always be with you. That's it and and as usual all the other links to anything else that that will mention in the podcast will be in the night and to get China. ELEVATE DOT COM excellent. Sounds like this is going to be a great one to listen to a really like the idea of having the yeah so the easy differentiation between three different selling models on really looking forward to listening please get onto it. Let's get on the welcome to the podcast cast. Will I thank you for having me. It's awesome to be here in Jhelum. Lovely sunny weather. We're having people could say that it's actually glutton on so you cleaned up at the McGraw awards this year. I was there and I kept saying you in between getting up on stage. So firstly. Congratulations thanks very much. It's nice to be recognized amongst the pretty good brand well yet. I some of the somebody would've given out. The franchise awarded just really reflective of specifically with his competitive like grow. Yeah so tell me I mean you know we're in a regional area of Geelong but tell me what does it take to be one of the best offices in network wake Mike mcgraff. It's a really good question. A lot of hard work. I guess is the simple Ansa. But it's built up over a long sustained period of time. We haven't just woken at one die. I am vain where we are now. Say It's about having a great team around you and creating a culture where everyone wants to work hard for themselves and and the business and that just reflects in everything we do from day to day. Yeah and so tell me a little bit about the office in Geelong how big is it. How many have what's the tame look like yet so we've got about forty two staff? I think it is at loss. Can't spread property management siles admin accounting etc.. And we've just ticked off and on one hundred and seventy properties under management. We do have a target We did have a target by two thousand twenty two thousand so I will well and truly say that which is nice and we've got a bad eyesight siles paper with a host of assistance and help them so it's a pretty big time now. Yeah absolutely a Muslim market like here in Geelong because there's a lot of talk about the market paying not say thank granted lost twelve months but in some agents here. It's been quite good. Yeah Yeah Jalaun definitely did experience a little bit of a deep when nobody needed. But we tend to follow the Melvin market by I sort of twelve months so we can always look for a forecast on hedge along will perform. But we definitely don't have the really the peaks in Charleston the sparks at Sei Melbourne Auburn in Sydney heff but Jones just steadily grind. Ever since I've been in real estate so it's a great market Attila's about how you got into real estate. How long have you been in? Probably the most romantic story but I pretty much had nothing else to do. So that's the short of it and my dad said You you talk a lot of sheet. So you'd be good at selling houses. Hey he just said you should charriol aside so I got my trip. He forced me to do that. And then two weeks later he got me a job in a local firm and before on on your does kind of half Jason at it and just build a career from the so that was about fifteen years ago started and I'll have pain at a number of offices in Geelong but settled settled very well in what was Wri Wad now McGraw and of vain there about seven years. Now Yeah and you've recently sporting to the businesses. Well Yea yes so a couple. Five years ago I thought it was time to take the next step in and board into the business and it's been thoroughly enjoyable because it's bank business. I WANNA visit. The real estate is agenda really. Tolkien Chase I've had to learn a lot about myself and how to run a business so it's been great. Yeah and you still list and sell as well like personally as well as yea running out of the business they had he says yeah so the fortunate thing is there are three of us so we definitely have areas of the business that we focus on in Montes differently leasing and sailing and running the sales team. So that's Kinda my baby the other two after die also at least in cell but they look after mall property management. They're running die tonight of the business. Yes but I would say eighty to ninety percent die jobs still leasing and sailing which is what I love how many listings would j carried anyone time at the moment. I've got thirty which is a lot more than I usually do. Say I would usually average around sort of fifteen to maybe twenty but It's just been a phenomenal last couple of months. Where we've just listed Eliza twenty properties in September? I think I'm up to ten now this month. A businesses all of sudden. Just gone to the next level again so I would usually really carry fifteen to twenty. Yeah it's it differently in my main thing. Isn't it the the more my main Jimmy get the momentum yet the more the more as I say the mobile cards you got out the most sold seek more clients that are out there talking about you and who by hopefully just mainstay econ of disciples which is A. It's great because the the amount of hard work you do to push that be balled up to actually start rolling down the hill guy. Momentum is is really hot and challenging but once you get going he still have to K- K. pushing the that's the thing is a lot of agents that a successful race only laurels and stay at the same at the same level for year after year. And I can't name tight the next extent it's just a matter of continuing on. Yeah and so. What was the one of the things that he did in the early days to get that bowl really rolling? Because I'm sure that yeah. Yeah the the main challenges we're hearing for agents at the moment is that you know they finding it difficult to no end take an extra team member on and you know what was some of the things he did early in your career Korea. What some of the things that? If let's say if you could travel in a time machine back today that you would do more quickly. It's a really good question There's not one thing it's a whole choice of things but the Diaz dotted backing real estate. It's a long story but go out of your sight for little while. So let's just say that on the data back. I got an assistant from Taiwan and knew that was the most important thing because I knew my time needs to be spent on prospecting listing and selling in negotiating so the moment put into that and have someone else do all the can work the better odds bay so he's taking that late and just knowing that there's really no plan bay. That was the first thing that I did too. And she'll that the things went well but it's just doing the one basinas every single day to make sure that all the clients that you have consistently happy and the prospecting reminds regardless of how much show had little business you. Have you have to have that Tom. And you die where no matter how crazy you die is going that you put aside to do. What got you where you are which is prospecting and talking to people who are thinking of selling? Yeah and so that would be the core activity for you now is still just talking to people in you database about in market that day houses yet. It's really at my philosophy's just helping people that that's all we're doing so on calling someone who might not be selling for five years. He's telling them about how the market is telling him about. Recent siles providing them information so that the world is full of information. That's free but people die. I Watt sold yesterday unless I tell them so. It's a bad the spade of letting people knives so that on not telling him stuff that I already known on the Voice of Information and as I say bay the real aside agent before I need that real estate agent. Yeah it's kind of a why to isn't it because you know things myself but then they may sell above or below what you I thought they would someone like He. That's around. This area would be out of sight. Well that one sold for fifteen thousand above what we thought it would because the story behind the style alleys. Absolutely right Sam The sole process is one thing but it's how many Beatles did you have waited the bar come from the people let me stat. What's the demographic and the story behind the style of a lot of people locked to he? Yeah absolutely what about auctions in Shillong is a big auction market. Yeah Yeah and that's actually probably should have answered that earlier that the why I've kind of got ahead at one stage. was I work in an area coach waist which has about four thousand homes. That's who are sort of predominately. Emily do most of my business in back in about two thousand seven no-one deductions then and I wanted to create a point of difference and private sale. was what what everyone did. So thoughtful Lavar can get him auctions underway and bay that person if you WANNA sell your house in a guten prime gripe process that you come to me and so I sort of forged ahead with that auction process and that's really what leverage my business to the next level where people kind to wanted to auction it properly and an now naughty five percent of properties along waster auction. I'm not saying that is attributed for me. But I was just doing something when everyone else was doing something I was doing kind of the opposite. Yeah that's what I've always wanted to do because as divy squeaked moist agents will decide and if you can make a point of difference that Avenue Queen team that we don't look the sign than I want to be that person that people to a different process yeah. I'm a big fan of that as a marketing tactic. Because then you can. You can easily say against other agents will arm the number one ocean agent in this area because there is nobody else corrects about funding. And if you if you the only one that's definitely number one yeah absolutely and technology also plays a big role in your business too so I know in terms of you. You know private trading and auction you guys use to accord. I've been negotiation as well. It's just where people can put bits on property as I understand using an APP can can you explain to me how that works business so pretty much. Was it two thousand seven Assad to doing auctions and now everyone does auction so then always looking for that next point the difference in it also came at a time where the banks under the Royal Commission looked into the banking industry. It was very difficult for a lot of Blasi. Get Finance and in a timely laundly MENA so I was doing lots of auctions where I had ample buys but no Beatles because I couldn't actually be under an unconditional process. I I found that a little bit of a silly Adt Com because people that wanted to buy the hyman compete. But they couldn't Judah that reason so I've been guy allows all buys regardless of their terms if the vendor chooses to accept those terms to compete for the property so it's essentially an auction where the competition is there which competition in. My opinion always always drives the hottest process but it also allows boys who can't beat it at a traditional auction to compete Sei mobilize competitive environment Maine's a hi processing assured us by some time so in essence that's what I've been. Negotiating is but I only do something that benefits vandals and boys and May and so from the the boys point of view it's a completely transparent process like a normal auctioneers where the buys can say at any given on the current beat him and he beat his era and have comfort around where the value of the property laws ONS as opposed to private silo. trae where it's a bit of cloak and dagger put your best offering an envelope. I'm not telling you what the thirties under the table. What do I NEETU Pie? Walk can't tell you that to me. That's I mean real estate agents. Don't have the pissed trustworthy. Niger as it is so I don't want people to it. Not Engage in buying a property. They feel I can't know what to pay so as I said. The auction process allows competition which allows us to buy what I think is a fair value and social proof. Guys show someone's prepared to pay then unprepared to all the other laws were paid to pilot a week more and hence why you say eight hundred thousand two hundred grand reserve because that's the true test of the market. Yeah so with open negotiation. How does it work in mark? I just how does it work in the wild. Yeah okay. It's a really good question. So essentially I've been negotiation is a hybrid of Private Silence Treaty and Auction and the private style pod is it allows conditional additional buyers to compete for the property will be involved in the process and the auction parties. It's basically a competitive environment. Where all the buys compared to find the eventual sale process so in principle it is at the time People come in and get qualified to beat so putting a starting price. It doesn't have to be what uh I think it's worth it just to stop like would they. With the normal auction in that. Have to get qualified to beat Se. They saw any often terms and contract and their signing off on their terms and conditions and the vandals Decided happy with that said Baas terms and conditions and then they were qualified beata and that the current deed is always is the advertise price. So that's probably the cato. It is that if the current beatty's law within what value is then you attract laws to the property and then you work out from there and then as the price goes up then the interest drop off. Lock any no motion when you get to the pinnacle of across point is anyone until you left left once you get to a prostate. The owner is relatively comfortable with then. You can do what we call the final beating stage which is kind of locked the auction. But it's done invite the APP so it's like going once going twice a year yet so as much as I don't like the side as it's almost like the guy where it can't stand to atone lawn but at that time law and that's when it starts not where it ends like Ebay so at six PM on Tuesday not all the beat is wherever they are in the will. I just need an Internet connection and a an iphone or an ped- die can say the current beat and HBO has two minutes to base the previous speed and once newbies my too many clock race dots so that you can go on for as long as the market continues to go on. Everything subject to the vandals reserved normal auction. So they've Indo has comfort that it doesn't doesn't may be reserved I just don't sell so older. Buys can say all the beads at any given time and it's a completely transparent process so fa mi asks. Let's works for the by because I know what to pay. It works for the Vandal. Because I can say where the value of the property the Bauza Stein into tap out so to speak because the council and beat is always the advertise price and for the agent. It allows us to determine Exactly how many beauties you've got and way there will at at any given tom say let's say property comes on the market gets listed on real estate dot com that your to mind Oklahoma you with the price that initially goes into open negotiation association and then as people start putting bidding process. She goes up. You like live on the portal. Yes so every time somebody searching for a property happening they can see whatever the current crises. Wow that's pretty amazing. People must love that all do and that's what I said. He's rather than putting Ryan Ryan or a process like most I do and that once again other detracts or retract spa the property. DC's law it's real. It's faxes evidence that there is a Eh with us on this property at X.. And then that will do one of two things will say great value in ten to the time I want and Van Dole can really say the true value of the property. And that's why does love these prices. Because I can say exactly at any given time. How the market is how it's performing homing by stolen the current beat they've got yeah and then I suppose like let's say things aren't performing exactly the way that you would want them to before we get to the point money in which I want to come back to? That sounds quite exciting actually very so. Let's say we're awake into this. And the price isn't quite what the vendor thought it might be. What what? Tj then is it just you go back and have normal conversations about marketing and stuff like that yes so it's a matter of trying to rectify issues bay and typically properties selling or getting interest. It's based on the presentation fossil marketing and we look at the marketing and make sure we comfortable with everything that has been addressed. Does the property pretty little space. And then I suppose the third one is with the price point and that's once again the conversations. We have not as confrontational as I usually with a normal auction auctioned Has Vince they part of it. I can say at any given time how it's going so usually the first to actually address it not us. And it's it's more of a partnership the sheep prices rather than agent visits vin diesel. Does that make sense. Yeah often I think. The problem agents face particularly in a market going down is his win. They go the vendor to give them feedback to say actually look we had six papal through the open for inspection and you know. They think they're saying saying it's around. This thinking around that is often caused the vindicate ago will hang on a second agents saying is not what we you believe. But then what I'm guessing is that when everything's out in the open air transport like as transparent get those conversations probably l.. Listen last year I absolutely As I said it's very much the vandal can save what's going on and the The Times are different prices. This is well because it's not a matter of just letting ause eating and then asking them on the way out what did you do you like it or not and I say I will think of what I think about it. These prices the the the property can sale at anytime and so what that does is it. Actually Mike Spas Mike Decisions on the run so if a by wilkes at from an Ivanhoe time I remind them. Do you realize property concealed tomorrow onto these these prices. Do you have interest at six hundred thousand one of the beauties. No we done. Okay thank you. The indoor indoor can say that that creates agency to yes we do great. We're GONNA have to come inside. We'll get you qualified to be on time because if it sells tomorrow the people that can actually a in this process a qualified abuse. So it's very much a black and white is not a guy. Do you want to buy the property at these condor. Beat more or do you not and as I said. It's a much different darlow with the Baya and most auction campaigns. All the whole inference fiction every person that's come through the campaign could be fifty one hundred and awesome all. You're going to the auction tomorrow. You're going to be the auction tomorrow. What you thinking and maybe one or two? I've gained a lot of trust with us. We'll be there will everyone else says. I'm not sure we'll see how we go had. I realized that to the Vandal. They're all going to say how that guy that allow lavender's sleep very well and not fully auction. Yeah whereas with this Mr Mrs Van Dole we have five qualified bidders way now sitting at seven hundred thousand you'll reserve X.. Or we have have to do is get an extra fifty to reserve. But that's my job and I'll be doing that for you. It's a much more comfortable easy conversation to have and Dia with you and not having to co fifty one hundred people on calling the fog pitas that we have to say your way that the property is going to final beating stage tomorrow it seeks seeks. Is there anything else we can help. You is actually go to gooding tonight connection. That's it that's it so remember back. When Abe IFA started like Levin is is pointing to the prime too and I remember I had a very different to a property? Obviously but I had it on Ebay for about a week and nothing really happened into until about an hour before the deadline. In which case you know like I did. CAIN space of like one hour. Is that what happens to really simplify tonight. Yes or no as Yvonne Yvonne it said Ah the property can sell it on the could sail at anytime I think the beads would have come in Alia. Yeah right so this process even though the final beating stages typically sit four weeks out from when it goes to mock normal auction campaign the K.. To these is that final beating stage can be brought forward at any time so it's a very flexible people prices way. If you have enough pitas and you have enough buys wake into the final beating stash tomorrow morning at night I am. So you're not leaving the buys hanging out there at risk he's GonNa fons another property going on the property. You're maximizing the Beatles that you've got and you're not leaving as sitting out there hoping that you find any other the beaches it because you've already got them that saved. The property starts to get cold. Wave not getting anymore boise through the property more inquiry. That's the time we can stop. Oh Yeah and that's where your skill is. An agent comes into no inches sort of hit that button to say that we're going to because then it's playing yes so some some stats behind project doing these. So I looked at my previous tensile. Ten thousand devour negotiation. I was averaging thirty two days on market the the normal processes are now everything sixteen dies will knock it all right literally. Half an averaging four point three Betas pay property whereas averaging one point seven Betas property under the normal auction prices and on getting. 'twas the boss room properties on open arms so the numbers are more than double less than half whichever stat you WANNA look at. It's very compelling machine. It's not hard to get hateful to let sidebars to appreciate the prices on the like you know like when you said you have to get them. Qualify them get Getting sign up also thinking i. That's another step bit. How easy is it to get by to actually? Just get in there and get qualified. It's takes me about five minutes. It's just a matter of getting the baud download. The APP will go I to a browser and just open up the website and all I do is on the property depending beating. Now the painting Beatty's just the number I wanNA start at and I pray submit it and all that does is allow May to the fact that I wanNA become a qualified beata and then we bring out the paperwork which is all away feeling. Is that normal date house. You would feel a normal contract attract except for the process. Yeah so vegetables nine. Their address solicit The deposit this settlement and any conditions. I WanNa beat on the yeah. That's it's a pretty seamless process. I'm thinking too. It's probably a good way to qualify buys for other properties that you might have listened to while we have sold a lot of properties off market judges Jewish prices as well because we have Sipho beat his own a property. We have all the details. We know what Tim's meeting under and we know what prostate be too so then when I go to win a prize of the following week Consi- off now got full buys lift Iva and you can say the stats. I've been negotiation has a pdf that you can print off that shows. We're all the Beatles were process. was they names or anything and off salt plenty of property off market knowing that I'll have gone to me down that one and then yet in terms as well so once again it's a pretty compelling process. So what would you say to agency still liking is there are still. Some affidavit is sort of thinking I need to hold all this information to myself like to get people to come to May say the the the only people that will succeeded. I've been Geyeshan. Arana's real estate agents status but real estate agents. That is actually not a lot more of these more work involved in these processes because I just mentioned signing applies it. I've been himes Paparazzi. Call will. It's all done online just does itself. It's actually quite the contrary so it does take take time but once you master that it's quite an easy prices so all we do is add another ten minutes to the end of our behinds. For those saw knup's we then get duckie Sauna Organiz to send that documentary Vando for them to saw off site with with Khan admitted caught. Same prices Tailing the boss got off when they died telling them they've got process when these for them. Yeah I can I can definitely say that what about other sorts of technology like you just mentioned docu signs if I was to ask you apart from my for negotiation obviously jockey sign have bigger role has technology played where we use. What's at every every single campaign when we saw when I saw policing I asked the vein does having got Can't and then because I have a tame of full including including me. We are all part of that WHATSAPP group and all the correspondence. That's not worthy of final guys in there. So there's a ton online if there's two of indoors wanting to state one's nautile there's a divorce or there's a disabled style with three kids that are all I can say at any given time what's going on we and we put audio messages in thereafter Ivan. himes so they can. He had the time's gone and proofing the marketing as well. It's all done and because on running around so busy doing leasing and sailing negotiating. I WANNA keep a tab on what's going on with campaigns as well so at the end of the dial can just go through the WHATSAPP group and say exactly what happened that day. That'd be control freaks a lot to say what's going on at any given time. I think thinking so we. I use facebook instagram and link Dean for a lot of L. Promotions as well so I can't say we sell a lot of property via that we have sold them but it's it it's more of a passive tool getting people interested in the property and wave. We do a lot of marketing as via facebook. And he's criminal side mock doc it updates in reps at the end of h Saturday. I'll give a mock it up. I don't have that dies progressed. How many numbers? We've had the what I've seen That was different to the previous Waco in that I think the the buying or selling community would lock tonight. Yeah and do you do anything special in terms of marketing acting the process of negotiation auctions. Like when you're in a listing presentation how do you explain that to pretty much how I have with you on very much case studies. Let's talk about what we've done prior and showing them these stories and every probably going to probably solve one within a few hundred meters of that says usually bringing out the most relevant property to to this but it's also on thinking I'm going to get a listing in the next six months getting that Klein involved in the process before for they're actually going to list and I've been negotiating you can become what we call an observer so you can go into negotiation and follow a campaign and see how it's tracking and you can watch the final beating stage so we in the past would invite a potential van door to watch an auction on doing. This is kind of the same. We're just asking them to watch the campaign and then once I say it in real off if they're if they're slightly skeptical of the process and I say how much we get above Brazil. Aw It basically answers any questions. I probably have and does every campaign ridiculously well some properties we get at one. Peter in and this process is very flexible in the fact that Eva by wants to come in on the first. I've been hiring and just take it off the market. They can choose to do that so it doesn't have have to go to the final beating staged I can putting across at the vandals happy with that process. We can just press a button and sell it to them as a soul. And it's done it's because it's an auction there's no cooling off period so it takes once again the benefit even if it sold Diwan to a viable product. Sil- negotiation is still Doina cooling-off period. which is quite good? Well so that gives you multiple points of discounts in the market. Like just trying to mentally calculate them in my head but I'm not. I'm not a guide to this. There's ample yeah and I've had some people of the regeneration sil- paper wine understand in the sixties and above want to engage in this process so I sold a property way. Three beat is on the property. Were seventy five live eighty six and ninety five and all be under the negotiation process and they actually loved it because I didn't have to turn to the property to a live auction and standing in front of a crowd of people and and put the hand up inside these on the by for these property and shy vice assault properties to sports people by this process. WHO DIDN'T WANNA go to the auction and reveal that they have the by the probably I could see in the comfort of their time they anonymous and buy the property so once again not that we would know this but I imagine it'd be a lot of people out there that don't WanNa stand in front of a crowd of one hundred people and show them who they are how much they've got to spend? Yes I can remind anonymous. Shoot I want Eh. Yeah I look at auctions a quite confronting for a lot of painful fun fun if you notice series beater by if you really want the place in yes actually raising a sweaty palms the easiest thing today. Yeah it's locked at a normal auction. You've got fifteen minutes to the vandal. And the agent to say say what's actually going on under negotiation. That pretty much is just drawn out for for the van door to say Mike educated any full decisions as its tracking racking along so much more God it along the way and I can say and Mike as a saint for decisions about their reserved. I bring it down and I put it up and I can say how many Beatles they've got so when we go to the final beating psych. We've got four bidders we're GONNA get competition only got two so we're on goods and beat them so why don't we possibly negotiate. Check with Hospita. So the tactic and the process we're going via is based on real facts. which is all of Indo? Wants to say okay so tell me about the final beating stage. Tell me about landing the plane. What happens in yeah? It's really exciting. So we tend to go to Alvin time and we plug my ipad into a screen and I get the puck. Cohen says like the book. Yeah pretty much. Yeah so we all sit around and white until six. PM Whiting contacting. James Nike Contract and influence a EH whilst way Whitey that two. Can't Dan Montaigne contacting. The beat is just to make sure everything's GonNa run smoothly and then at six pm we Kana sitting back. And I just want you guys on now way at May as the agent has the ability to pull. Is that two minute clock at anytime and the reason I would do that easy. If we looking like. Someone's not going to beat can pull that clock and bring that Baya in front of the vendola not unless Baker but I can see what I'm saying and I can watch me negotiate now now. You can't do that with an election. The vein does usually stuck inside with the e to the wall China. What's going on out there and has no power and now they're just hoping we didn't? Yeah yeah through the kids. Now I'm auctioneers say. I love auctions wrong but these prices allows may still do miles nearing. It's just in a different format. So can you imagine if an auction it pulls an auction and walked over to the second hospital and in front of everyone said how you need to put another another ten thousand and tried to negotiate with them. It just wouldn't work. Yeah with these I can contact the second and awesome to put in another bead Telam Lem reasons why that I modified gotten that. It's on bigger blocks. And I thought oh are different orientation. Whatever the negotiations and indoor can watch me and listen to my dog so that allows the vandal? Once again feel more comfort around the fact that ED paying may two or three percent to get the best outcome. I'm showing them along with that two to three percent that at that time if I can get an extra five ten twenty thousand out of that Buyoya. That's may painful awesome. Yeah absolutely it's it's well it is definitely. I think the way to prove your worth isn't was as an agent or is any Jomaa's like Tell me finding make me laugh. Yes yes Yeah yeah if they can see you in action. Yeah and I mean you can imagine with the private treaty When you contact the van door it's all done via fine you contact of enormous? I got you an extra ten count. You gave me twenty now. That wouldn't pay twenty will go back and do it again. That Kant he the conversation Thomason. You've had that kind of the the tone how hard you push didn't push back on the personality of the by the con- Braille of that. Yeah these once again. I can sit there Aaron. Wash it all and that case eyeing but they can make much more informed decisions by stone those conversations. I'm having Yep so some folks so sorta state a few years ago online auctions would never were like they were quite a few different online auction. Tools were available But none of them seem to take off until now this you know. There's a few of them like open. It's really working for you. Do see that is the way the future I do. I off vandals. All options on not wanted just Ramdan. That's right and say you must do these oil for Private Silo Treaty Auction And take them through the pros and cons of all three and then I'll let them make the decision. I God them. Because they're asking me for my expertise and I say this. This is what I recommend for your property. However you'll have indoor ye can tell me what you like to do when I take them through all the three campaigns probably ID to ninety percent of them side? Lots to do negotiation rushing. Because I can say the reasons why if the other off got some live the real welcomes going at the moment. I've got a couple of privacy is going the mind and say I'm not just going down on that Bought as Sadie works for the ball and it works. The vendola works for the agent. That is a win win. Yeah no one loses surprises his. Everyone wins so as long as everyone's doing that on pretty comfortable. That suggest process for them. Yeah absolutely and so what is next. Few say you cleaned up at the awards. What are your goals for the next month's personally my goals to along what I'm already doing as far as As a as a salesperson ONA build some more team members Iran me and build those team members up to be good real estate agents in their own rot in must've alteration and wisdom. I'm SORTA start really getting trade and interested in watching and helping other agents growed. Uh so that's that's a real K to to my business for me. Real estate is always about and everyone that knows me about work and life and the balancing between the to work on Fridays. On Sundays off had a history of mental illness. And I've got a young family and so so for me. I keep saying in my head pretty much every day that it's a marathon not a sprint and so I've built top incrementally and to me that's the widest Stein. A A good healthy career in real estate you can make you can ride a million dollars one year but if you're out two hundred thousand or you're not in the guy in the following that's a really silly why to look at real estate right. Say to me. It's building up from you on year but not doubling tripling building up and maintaining healthy lost all that my family can actually remember those around down the track. So that's what I'm about. So what does performing at your peak look like few like you just mentioned work life balance which is a really a big topic in the real estate industry like what does the typical dialogue like. Va so you ought to get into the office about I thirty and I would these final beating sizes as we do tend to be after our say that does take a bit more of Montana during the week. But because I'm an auction any not doing many auctions on Saturdays so I'm sort of giving anti-king taking on either way but the typical would look like thirty come in. I'd have a with mating with Montaigne. Talk about what we're GONNA do that. Die What we didn't do. The following day said everyone only prices and why we go so I would typically do some prospecting in the morning and then have i. I sort of average two to three reprisals. Di Do those in the afternoon and then I would try behind by six thirty if possible. Who dials savings is much better than I can? Keep before you'll do something with the kids and that's pretty much my day some days along but some days I might finish it five and then I'll go for the sake of saying I would to sixty awake. Yvonne finished my where can have had a productive. Dial Mama today yeah. Absolutely what advice would you give to younger agents getting into the business hey hustle hustle hustle. Linda Linda Sinai. The word no is probably the mice. Anita laws would in real estate Tell you how many people have won an appraisal on fraud. I enough said No. And they've said I will do Monday. You Must Control Your Disney and your calendar there are. There are probably ten percent extenuating circumstances that you must do certain things and I understand that. I'm not just know everything but you must be smart with your time. And if you don't control your Dari other people will and you'll be pulled from the france-inter and you wanted productive mentally physically. You just want it is about and sitting your calendar for important important meetings such as prospecting prospecting is more important than appraisal because you only got that appraisal because he prospected yet so if you're not prospecting for two hours there's a day you'll I'm not saying I'm not a matter of two hours. A day also demanded Kohl's off a bad have productive during that time. Have you got what you wanted to get involves a new. I would sit Tom Lawns. Because then that creates habits and one size habits is set. They'll they'll say if you career and you'll just two hours eighty chance. Toss him and does ideas a day. I can't do that and I would never do that. He's Shane Yeah he's a machine and right. That's amazing that he can do that. I can't and I don't want to do that so so I would to my strengths and that's just being productive in the time that I've got that that's how my Diane Wake Works. Yeah I agree with you. I think is the Lord diminishing returns to you can be productive like in your in the state of your highest productivity rather for like twenty seven tonight. Yeah and there's you know as people side is. I am managing energy and in the morning I'm usually pretty productive on the phone and then launch and you start to get lethargic then you're out in the fresh air and you're at people's house you tend to be more in a jaws. Just moving around and hang around. People say worked his strengths. If you'll not if you're the opposite then do your points in the morning. I don't follow what everyone does. Just do what works for you and just we've often duplicate what other good ideas do but then molded into what works for your personality and your marketing you business. Yeah absolutely said. Thank you for being so generous with your your knowledge. Today it's been rising to Selena about how you take properties to block it in in all those different ways. If there was one thing that you would like people to remember from listening to this interview with you what would it be. It is exactly what we sort of finished on his that Real Estate Korean. If you look at it if you come into real estate at twenty three he retired thirty five. Sorry fifty dollars. It'd be NAS is to to look at that time lawn and and make sure that you enjoy that doesn't get to the end of it and might you. Might I be wealthy. You maybe not but and not have enjoyed that career. Because that's you lost that that's fifty Senate aloft gone so make sure that when you're in dire today you are smelling arises. You breathing fresh air. When you're at Saad and just running around lucky hitless chill so often size to just take you on build incrementally and and you sustain that type plenty of time off? I do. We've got a caravan so we go a long way. Kane's got little holidays to look forward to. It's kind of like when you're at school and you look forward. Oh to the holidays. If three or four weeks away you can push today so you take as much off as early as you can give yourself somebody forward type. Yeah even if it's a message on fraud afternoon just something that you feeling about. It offers wayside with their kids. Is that you just doing something for yourself. Yeah amazing relying twit twist thank you. Thanks to connect with all things elite agent including the latest news coaching and features subscribe L. Websites elite agent dot com.

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Are We Living in a New Epoch?

BrainStuff

07:24 min | 2 years ago

Are We Living in a New Epoch?

"Hey, brain stuff listeners instead of an ad today. I wanted to tell you about new podcast. I think you might dig for my friends, Robert lamb, and Joe McCormack, you might already know them from the weird science podcast stuff to blow your mind. Their new show is called invention each episode of invention examines different technological turning point and the people and cultures the provoked the change they consider the origins and impact of everything from the guillotine to the vending machine. Chopsticks to sunglasses. Braille to x-rays and lots more new episodes of invention come out every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you happen to find your podcasts. Welcome to brain stuff from how stuff works. Hey, brain stuff, Lauren Vogel bomb here. Thanks to greenhouse gas emissions. The percentage of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is now equal to about four hundred twelve parts per million. That's a sharp increase from what levels were even sixty years ago the world. Meteorological organization says earth's atmosphere hasn't seen such a high concentration of the gas in three to five million years harmful emissions are just one of the environmental concerns. Today's leaders bus. Confront trash accumulation is another since the nineteen fifties. Humans have generated about nine billion tonnes that's eight point three metric tons of plastic and dumped most of it in landfills, plus homo sapiens, are overpopulating like wild as our numbers skyrocket. Loads of other species find themselves on the decline you and I are now witnessing one of the biggest mass extinction events of all time. Donald thorough appeal how just geologist put it this way. We are geologic force in and of ourselves mankind's overall impact on planet earth has been so dramatic that some scientists think a change to the geologic timescale is an order, according to them, we should reclassify the very recent past as a new unit in time defined by humidity's long lasting marks on the world's climate geology and biological makeup. Is proposed unit has a name the anthropology and epoch meaning the age of humans. Earth is about four point five. Four billion years old geologists have split its history into large blocks of time called aeons which are further subdivided into eras. Those in turn are made up of smaller units called periods finally divisions within a period are known as epochs. So right now, we're living in the coronary period of the Senate Zoellick era, which is part of the Phanor Zoellick EON. But the question is what's the current epoch? If you'd ask someone one hundred years ago that said the Holocene epoch. But there in lies the debate earth's most recent ice age ended eleven thousand seven hundred years ago that point in time is recognized as the end of the Pleistocene epoch which began just less than two point six million years ago and the dawn of the Holocene epoch the dividing lines between epochs correspond with important moments in history like abrupt changes in the climate evidence for these events is typically found within the layers or strata of rock on our planet ice core. Samples may also contain clues for their explained. Nowadays epochs are defined by section of rock that has distinctive boundaries at the top and bottom. He added that specific box are also sometimes characterized by the presence or absence of key, fossils, though, note that larger changes like the mass extinction of the non avian. Dinosaurs are marked by changes in eras, our sin Zoellick era, for example, is the age of mammals the end of the last ice age marked the beginning of the Holocene and established its lower boundary. It's traditionally been thought that this particular epoch is still going on today. But in the year two thousand Nobel laureate. Paul Cranston helped popularize an alternative viewpoint that year, heat and biologist Eugene f Stormer argued that recent human activities had pushed the world out of the Holocene and into a new epoch decades. Earlier Stormer had coined the term anthroposophic derived from the Greek word for human as a possible. Name for this hypothetical new unit of geologic time, it stuck the international commission on strategic fee is the body that standardizes the Geelong. Timescale? It has yet to recognize the anthropoid seen as an official epoch. Although the topic has been discussed as of this writing the commission maintains the Holocene is still ongoing, but maybe scientists will feel differently someday. For their is heard it argued that geologists living in the far future. Perhaps even tens of millions of years from now, quote could tell when humans were here because we've left so many traces in the rocks chemical traces as well as actual physical objects like trash sea water absorbs about one fourth of her carbon dioxide emissions. This has led to widespread ocean acidification, which will doubtless leave telltale limestones behind dissolved carbonates in the sediment are going to be another one of our calling cards future. Paleontologists may also notice the sudden disappearance a great many species from the fossil record. We would also expect as yet unborn. Researchers to discover the radio metric signatures of nuclear weaponry. All around the world plutonium two thirty nine which is uncommon in nature was embedded in sediments that lakes posed to the air during the nuclear. Tests of the nineteen forties, and that brings us to a bone of contention about the enterprise seen. If it really is a legitimate geological. Epoch what moment in history. Should we recognize as it starting point? One argument is the enterprise scene began in the nineteen forties. When the first atomic weapon detonations occurred like the famous trinity nuclear test of nineteen Forty-five. Another option might be to define the anthropoid as everything that's happened since the industrial revolution kicked off for their said. Others have wanted to push the lower boundary date all the way back to when humans really started transforming the planet at the beginning of civilization and agriculture at least ten or eleven thousand years ago, regardless if the geological community ever officially splits up, the Holocene and rebrand these past few decades century or millennia as the anthropoid seen a potential benefit might be the gestures symbolic value, Cranston and many others. Hope it would send a powerful message governments and private citizens alike. As thorough puts it when you use that term everyone else, then realizes the geologists are making a statement about what we've done. To the planet. Today's episode was written by Mark and Chini and produced by Tyler clang for I heart media, and how stuff works if this episode piqued your interest about where a world is going. Check out the podcast at the end of the world. Josh Clark for more existential dread, and what we can do to help fix it. And of course, for more on this and lots of other earth, changing, topics. Visit our home planet. How stuff works dot com. You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about ego maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. We're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. And now we're branching off into the exploration of invention. Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts.

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Almost Famous Minute 48: Crossed Her Limit of Allowed Absences

Rock N Roll Archaeology

37:46 min | 1 year ago

Almost Famous Minute 48: Crossed Her Limit of Allowed Absences

"Good welcome back to almost famous minute where we're discussing. The two thousand Cameron Crowe Film almost famous. One Minute at a time. I'm Eric Nash. From feels like Weezer. I'm foresight from rock and roll highschool minute an IMC pleasant from wherever Glendale California just from around me around. You know guys great to have you both back. It's been We've had two minutes here. And this is our Thurdin and I believe final but who knows you know either either? Both of you can always come back later. Look at the schedule later. Even even though I permits have every darn almost almost every minute at least one guess I would like to have you know in the spots where I do have only one guest. I'm very much like cabin having to essentially piety when it's three people so this is a minute for the third with back for the started with minute forty-six and so we're meant forty-eight here and it starts with Larry Telling Russell to wake up and ends with Penny asking William IF HE'S GOING TO CLEVELAND. Why does he wake him up? Just right. Because he's a big sleaze. The guys we we hear here who Russell and Dick. I mean. They're like come on. Give it a rest. Yeah it sure. Looks like he could be in his mid twenties. Geelong for the ladies that are dragging down the side of the road. The high the high school girls. There's a you know the the the longstanding Like musicians rockstars get these groupies that are thrown at him and in the you know they do whatever with these when these bandaids or group is not like. Oh my God. It turns out she's sixteen. I never knew blabbity Blah That's its own leslie's right but when you then find at this guy's like waking up because he sees a row of girls in these weird gym outfits right like they're not they're not dressed up trying to entice him throwing themselves at him. They're just running before gym class or for gym class in button-down shirt. For some reason it seems like It's it's like an extra level of sleaze is pretty It's problematic to to us today. Buzzwords you have to mid June good. I was just going to Jim uniforms. I didn't I wasn't thinking about that. Pathetic is like it is a it feels like a very uncomfortable thing to run. It looks like it's some sort of like a poly blend short and a button-down shirt away but dodger islander like yeah it's a. I guess they probably I mean it's probably authentic like it's probably you know. Cameron Crowe was very detailed about outfits and stuff. But yes there was the athletic wear of the mid seventies early seventies. Yeah yeah well and and okay along those lines of the the athletic wear when we're when we're sports bras and Venit so I kind of have to wonder Wha- what are they I mean are they wearing. I mean if they're if they are high school girls truly I mean some of them probably are some might and might not be wearing anything. Maybe but but that. That's problematic with the button-down sure no it's time. It's probably too soon very uncomfortable. Yeah Yeah in general uncomfortable at. Yes for with Flop around sometimes. Yeah I don't know as much as an essay as much as the sixty seventies sort of shunned the the brassiere from time to time late seems like this is the appropriate time to to wear heroin. Yeah although like a seventies brassiere with Halle nut super comfortable. I don't know I don't know what was happening at that time. It might have been. It's also like there's a time in a young gal life when you graduate from undershirt too so it might be like and I think that that Got Sort of later later so they some of these ladies might be young enough to be wearing undershirts. I don't know anyway needs perverts there looking at to do you think crow includes this in this bus travel seen because someone from the real life of his of his travels with bands. Was this type of creepy perv. And do we want to speculate? Who would have been but I would also guess on that. You know the other people on the bus at that point where someone said something Acted in this way I would. I would kind of hope that the other band members in that situation would have reacted similarly to Russell. Dick and I think that's I think it's a good thing. It's it's it's showing this variety of the type of it because we then even also get penny you know waving to the girls. Yeah but then turning right around with the giving them the finger thing at the bird I think that's such a Like nothing perfect emotional moment for any. I think like it's just. Kate has such a good so good in that like I feel like she sort of like when she when she first when I look at her looking at them she's kind of like a little bit whimsical. Like you could almost see like a little bit of sadness and maybe. I'm just projecting because I like like I feel so protective in this movie. Like it's just chooses seem so like fragile in whatever but like the fact that she's like looking at what she would be if she wasn't on the bus with this band you know and then and then she waved at them and then she flipped them the bird. It's like it's almost like she's looking at herself and like doing those doing those things and that little progression of gestures like just a lovely little capsule. I like it. It's almost like she's wishing some disdain on the person that she could have been if she weren't there where she is now right almost like I have. I have one versus myself or the concept of high school teenage girl. Yeah or yeah I mean or maybe she like wishes like there's A. There's a Gel iffy in that kind of wishes. Maybe she wishes she was a normal girl and then also she hates the idea of a normal girl. Like you know or you know that. Sort of conformity and All that yeah. I just feel like they're really good little like fraught moment. It's great yeah she she's got that Like MEMORY OF OF WIND. Things were easy as things are getting hard for her now. Like she's ramping up to that point where she's going to have to make difficult decisions in in do things against her her heart so but but she but she doesn't. I don't think she wants to let on that. Things are getting hard for saying. I think everyone everyone is trying to be so cool. You know and thinking everything's everything's going right in the world at this point for for them at least very personally. We never get out of field throughout this movie. Even though as far back as the mid sixties especially with my favorite band I know an awful lot about The Beatles and their proclivity for turning things around from being. Just you know answering questions very straight and normal yet with with with a with a good good tinge of comedy comedy effect answers But at some point there in the mid sixties rounded started answering the political questions with with some real honesty But we never get that from here and we we get just a ton of all this interpersonal low level kind of but but but meaningful Character relationships happening at any interesting in the same scene that she like immediately goes to penny immediately goes to when we go to Morocco. I think we should wear completely different clothes and be completely different. People like that. That feels like she's she's feeling something she's feeling some kind of way definitely in this seems under the but then the thing. I noted you know William Replies with what will our names be and she you know she ignores that question you know. She didn't want to pursue that that aspect of this possible trip that they're gonna go on together. Yeah never quite sure what caused him to ask that like. I feel like it's almost part of his ploy to try and find out her real name still But also maybe to to indulge in that Moroccan fantasy that that That sort of blue sky wishing something win. This phase has ended. I will move onto this other thing that I've always dreamt of doing. I'm not you know it's like this is the natural progression of my life so I moved from where I am to where I WANNA be. You know again. It's a distraction from the the separation. That AOL no is is coming while you know what listeners. I know that free stuff is awesome but free stuff to spice up. Your bedroom is even better. Food Pantheon Network and this show almost minute at Adam and Eve you get slept almost any one item for fifty percent off and then adamant eve loads on the free stuff. Just make sure you enter offer code. Fm POD AT CHECKOUT and get ten tantalizing free gifts you can get a sexy item for him a special gift for her and third item. You'll both enjoy and on top of all that you also get six three spicy movies. Yeah that's right movies. I know you all like movies because you listen to this podcast about the movie almost famous. Finally you also get free shipping. That's right can't do better net that's FM pod FM P. OD at Adam and Eve dot com just type in FM P. OD at checkout. It's all happening happening now. You might notice that Williams actually already holding a polaroid's and that's actually come from the delete. Cnn takes place right before you know. She's back there and G flips. The girls the bird that they have this conversation right before. That essentially the she's laying side-by-side with Russell that seat that win the seat next to him was. There's even a pull there. At one point you can see And so from the director skied from the untitled. Version Know William taking a picture of Russell Penny sleeping. Flash WAKES THEM UP or at least at least her more emphatically and she pursues him to get the picture. Actually she says hey. Give that to me William She's give me that again as walking back and she laughs and Out that interesting but you know that's really that's that's that's that's it for the time for these three minutes of all the deleted scenes but yet and that's how they ended up being back there and having this conversation now and as I said that's why he's holding this picture But but then there's the other thing these pictures and we even saw some wanted mention Previous minute on at one point you know there are some that you can see that like the the Dave that certain people I guess have stuck in the strap thing in the back of a on the backs of the seats you know to To Do to do something. I think that's very similar to you. Know when you're when they were just a little bit younger than they are now in their in their high school lockers and putting pictures up in them you know they just kind of want to decorate and and put things you make. Make It homey. I guess maybe like you do when you're a kid. In school was just REDAC- redecorate things we decorate our caves. We're we're here. He meant We all that right. I Guess Williams decorated his whole workstation. Back there right. I mean like I can't imagine that the Sorus next to him was on the bus without him right. I wasn't just sitting. There definitely brought his dictionary. This orison looks like a couple of pens. And he's got a whole setup going back there so he's made himself at home for sure decorated his is later. And there's definitely a previous been. Were also noticed that there. There's a board game of some sort. I forget which if it's life Or something I forget Besides polaroid pictures and you know and certainly for wait. I'm getting his writing done The other people definitely WanNa partake in some recreational activities such as Sport Games so in magazine? Reading magazines are hanging out and about me magazines everywhere which is interesting. I mean I it makes sense obviously but yeah less less book more magazines. I'm not judging. I'm just saying well. There was one scene where Dick. Dick is reading Rate when a book by Ray Bradbury the title so he's he's a bit of a sci-fi Guy Seems like I'm the only other thing I really had much to say about was actually going going back a bit. More was For the for the season of Larry and Dick Responding and dickey Keep Dick says We can stop the bus every time you see a girl in shorts so stock stopping the bus part. You know that. That's that's Dick. Bean kind of you know his way of saying you know don't even think about asking Because Larry Release essentially hasn't asked or anything or you can I add that but maybe I guess maybe there had been previous times. Maybe he has asked before definitely that implies that they've definitely stopped him picked up ladies on the side of a road. Seems like you know bank at that time. Maybe the Iger was still a thing. That happened But you wouldn't up to offer a ride to people who are clearly you know participating in gym class. Hey you wanna you WanNa short-circuit circuit your here curls back to their gym class. Imagine being gym teacher like seeing twelve of your high school girls being dropped off by rock and roll tour bus BECCA charts not again of another big difference between then and now is that the high school students would never be let out of sight. No True Yeah. The of the tice. Yeah Yeah you wouldn't be like jogging on your own street Well maybe in Topeka Kansas. Maybe there are places where innocent still exists Sorry if he can hear my dogs fighting in the background. They really liked this movie. Dogs are big fans of high school girls. So Yeah Yeah I get very fired up. So do we think that Larry is the the most will later on. Obviously with Jeff had some trouble or whatever but like but as Larry the most into the underage ladies is that it seems to be the implication. Here right like. Yeah both Brussel and and Dick make a comment about it. But you know layoff calmed down. ever tried to fall asleep on a bus before but if I were Russell and I were actually sleeping on the bus and somebody woke me up to look at a pack of girls that we were driving by. I would be really pissed. Not just because he's a slave because you've just like woken me from terrible but but then that clues clues us in or or we can go back to talking about looking at thinking about the director's cut. That Larry knows that Russell was just kind of a wake. Yeah true being from William taking the flash happening you know so. He knows he's not dead. That sleep and kind of sleeping. Yeah it is. I mean Awkward Asleep. That's like basically a school bus so awful to sleep and it seems like everyone is asleep. Sort of on the bus when he like when he does that. When he's like waking everybody up is like most people are sleeping or is that a William. That's causing trouble. You know from the director Scott Though. But you can't really. You can't really rely on that all the time though so so certainly a valid point that you're you're making with Larry rousing him and he should be pretty upset. Larry a good person. Well I mean that's part of I think what is ramping up in the scene right is is the and this is not back to the conversation inside the pool that were. Russell feels like he's left these guys behind Larry's Stahl this weird creepy guy who can't let go of his attraction to athletic young ladies and And you know Russel's like just just let it go. He's he doesn't even acknowledge. But I think it's sort of telling the Russell's one he decides to wake up and tell him like maybe in the past they had shared that sort of craziness Less so now or it could be just because he was the guy that was right across the aisle from him but whatever well and it technically speaking like penny lane would probably be in highschool proper jets. Were just graduating from high school. If if she were not a Bandaid yes. She may have crossed her limit of allowed absences point. We have ably with this this whole scene sort of You C. Penny sort of distracting herself from from the reality of the band asking about Morocco in her Question About Russell Right. She asked him what he thinks of Russell. And she's I think seeking an ally for you know she's got feelings for him clearly and she doesn't know what she wants to do with him. She sees an end coming to all of this because just can't go on. She knows the reality of his life as they move. Further eastward That that they're getting closer to his wife girlfriend. but You know so. She knows that they're every mile. Go further east. They're getting closer to the point where she can't be with Russell and so If she can get someone else to say yes. Russell is worth what you're feeling for. Him is worth putting in some effort to figure out a way to have a future with and not. Just be the person who You know abandons them at the end of a tour or or or you know whatever they think that along with the seeing separation between the The band members and their attitudes in their their. You know their talent as Russell would would said is is sort of a you know all of that is sort of ramping up here off So another big thing then is as I mean throughout. We just had a little bit of being at the end of last minute but Can go into a little more depth. Maybe this minute With for the Song That's the way And you know it's it's interesting looking at at the at the wikipedia page for yell it even says while there was original working title for the song but next door it on the service there are about one boy's parents being against a friendship with another boy due to his long hair and come from a town then then this no sentences is really interesting considering the place here in the movie it also reflects on the group's early American tours when they were sometimes harassed for their appearance of kind of interesting that we get. Larry hurt you know. I mean he's not full on harassing the girls but yes certainly making the moves. He's GonNa give it chance. Yeah but you know. And that's based on the way they look you know that they're young new al. What have you and You know the apparently that that ban which which as as we've already talked about this is definitely one of the inspirations for this band stillwater I in a storyteller in a story time since I read that line you know obviously I've given my spin what it is about. I think that line where they save with I can't play with you. More is as part of an indication that too but yeah this is sort of the all this is coming to an end but take. Yeah I think the other question I had about all of this though is exactly. How slow is that bus going? Because there alongside the pack of girls who? I'm sure are not elite. Track athletes Birth quite some time. Yeah I would guess the bus slowed down a little to to to pass them safely but this probably hopefully in that time period on a two lane highway road ish situation two or two maybe three four at the most You know hopefully I would think if they might be going down to the thirty s or the fifty in fifteen. You Know Matt match the age. That's an old Seinfeld debt for for elderly people that you should be able to go your age for if you do ninety if hundred two hundred a funny bit and also true. I agree I guess although I mean you can't go sixty until you're sixty. That's bummer. Never mind the science doesn't Pan Out Yeah Tyco or pet penny says you know gets off a off track as an answer. William's question I mentioned earlier but Gee Answers. She asks him questions. Run what do you think Russell? And William gives this response. I like him. But that's between us because I'm professional. So he's he's trying to play into that. You know the enemy thing at that that I'm sure Cc with your recent wash. You caught a little bit of but it serves plays more and more throughout the whole movie that than even he even becomes the enemy for one scene According to the yeah I mean yeah. He's like he's trying to do this like balanced but I mean it's so cool like you know obviously like it's it's the coolest thing in the world to be like a kid on the road with the school band and whatever so I feel like everybody sort of Like what you were saying. David like about Everyone trying to be cool and I think people in general get in trouble when they tried to be cool. Like it's just like you know I mean we're not none of us are really cool. I mean maybe like Jaylo and Tom Cruise are cool but like no no other people are actually cool like deep down and I don't think anyone feels like Oh. Yeah I'm a cool guy. So when you're when you're attempting coolness it it never never pans out well and as we know sort of all of these people are kind of careening toward whatever their version of disaster Williams got so much pressure of people. He wants to impress or or stay in good standing with you know. He's got the the ban right here on the bus. He's got the band he's got penny which have sort of conflicting interests. He's got on his mother. Obviously which is you know totally out of spectrum. He's got the rolling stone guys and then he's got Lester bangs all. He has tension with how he wants to how he wants to be perceived as cool or or Responsible or whatever good at his writing or being a son or whatever to to all of them and so he's got a lot of Extra pressure is going on here. I think he's trying to define himself. I mean this whole movies about this person trying to define themselves and he's you know super young and he has all these masters that he wants to serve and yes interesting and then she she says you're coming to Cleveland. Right he goes. Oh now yeah. I think it's at the very beginning of the expert. I think there's something along the lines of you know he has to. Do you know the the there's these. There's kind of like what you're talking about that you know. There's these things he has to do. You know he has to get these interviews by the also has to be back home for attached task graduation. What have you wore Graduation night but little. Does he know he's going to stick it out for quite a while well? Is there anything else? Either you have for me the other thing I would have is. How many like how many Polaroid's sleeping people do you really need? Like the only way to catch people who are always going to be either not want to have their picture taken or it'd be like putting on a show he you the catch them but did they To sum up. Don't sleep with high school girls. If you're not one yourself so good so good advice just a little message for the kid out there for the adult man find yourself an age appropriate consenting partner center. Yeah yeah that's great. That's a great way to say it. I would like that on a teacher as well. We're just here to which I'll do a little promotion. There is the I do put together my t shirts in the kind of couple little sales here in there but not a whole lot of I think I bought. I bought more of my church than than other people have so far but recently I put out the because Lester. Bangs was wearing it A few minutes ago I put out the Detroit sucks shirt And but it's all on T. public dot com slash user slash mustard super interested in church. And I would totally buy one. If my wife's entire family went from Detroit right so awkward. Yeah well my boxes. From from that he went to school at Detroit. So I've I've am. I going to buy this. I'm going to buy this Ever possibly around him. That'd be bad so bad. I don't think I can explain it movie. You guys do that cream shirt. You can sell it for eight hundred dollars. Yeah the the Big One. I thought I knew I had to do when I saw it. it's yeah. It was in the scene earlier that When they're in the first time their hotel in the riot house the the Zepplin fan played by Jay per shell Yeah he's wearing a baseball t style shirt with the ZO Logo great with Zeppelin on the front and back so the crazy thing is at at the at the website teapot dot com. They right when I when I went about. I said okay. I wanted to do the shirt. They were just putting the Beta. They were put in the ability to do backs as well from atacks together shirt. But they don't have that they didn't have it yet at least that point out that they've introduced it for the Baseball Team Style. So you can get the baseball style with the front only or you can get a normal t shirt style with and back. Just make sure you choose the right. One fashion is so complicated. Great living hard guys. You okay so any last plugs Dave you WANNA go first here. Sure Yeah L. 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