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Linux Kernel Development with Shuah Khan
"An operating system. Kernel manages the system resources that are needed to run applicastions. The Lennox Colonel runs most of the smart devices that we interact with and it's the largest open source project in history shoe, a con has worked on operating systems for two decades, including thirteen years at HP and five years at Samsung, she's worked on proprietary operating systems and a variety of Lennox operating system environments, including mobile devices, Shula joins the show to discuss her work within Lennox and her experience contributing to open source Shula has made significant contributions to k- self test. A set of tests for Lennox testing, the links Colonel is complicated because there's so much depth to the code base and such a variety of ways that Lennox can be used. There's also variety of ways that the operating system can get tested their smoke testing performance testing and regression test. Sitting there are trees of tests. And as a developer, you may only want to run a subset of the tests. The conversation with short it from the low level practices of testing, the Colonel to a high level discussion of how the Lennox Colonel can reveal dynamics of human nature. It was great having shoe on the show. I really enjoyed the conversation, and it was at the open source leadership summit put on by the Lennox foundation. So thank you to the lenox foundation for inviting me to that before we get started all mentioned to events that we are having in the near future. One is the software engineering daily meet up at cloudflare, you can go to software engineering daily dot com slash meet up to find out more. It's April third, and it will be a conversation with Seib Karachi, a crypto currency investor and friend of mine, and he's been an engineer at Airbnb and many other places. He's really a great guy and interesting to talk to so to find out about that event. You can go to software engineering. 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Kernel operating system is you have a piece of hardwood laptop, for example, in everything that a human needs to do on that operating system provides dry woods and unquote cardinal. You have memory in the laptop and how do you initialized the empty? How do you set up the hardware? How do you get the dry woods, different pieces of hardware to state working? For example, audio on the laptop awed you screen all of that is what operating system going to do foot you. It's essentially making the. Hardware. Usable footer you to do for the user to do what they need to do with that piece of Harvard. You've spent a lot of time on the testing process for the lenox Colonel when you're talking about these different elements of an operating system like media playing for example, how do you test something like that? That is a good question. I do contribute to Lennox media subsystem. And so how do we tell you how you have a dry with apart? Obviously the media drivers. And then you use various user space up legations in terms of to do the testing the different levels of testing. We do like, for example. We would just to do does it boot. For one thing the sofa slow of testing and operating system does the cuddle would come up to us a prompt. Can you log in can you start up legations rows of since? Oh on so say, you are talking about a particular media. Would you have a USB stick that does digital TV your and log TV and so on so he he connect not as a dozen pilot up with that. And then after that you go looking for actually starting in upper Gatien dot. Would start streaming perhaps and see audio streaming can stream can you switch between channels and so on. So does the different levels of dusting? So to get to that level. You have to go to different level layers of verifying, different pieces work could actually, and we also do some drivers datum would video drive would Soden TV distill mediate. I was they also tend to do complaints testing. That means is the highest level obligation. That is using the API Conally PI. Do they use it correctly? So there are tools that kind do compliance hosting dusting is a launch area, depending on what you're planning to do. So as a double up, but if I'm developing fixing a bug ought to developing new feature I have to learn to understand what are the pieces that I need to use to test that particular part. And cardinal self test itself. His addition estimate. Well, what do they we have multi Dulles as couldn't tell us? We come up with test and say, hey, this is the test. I want to run then I am taking a new patch on I want to be able to just quickly apply. The patch would the cuddle and run this test undis- shells. It could be a show script a C program. Just run it to make sure that the patch doesn't do any ingredients. And in some cases, you have to verify the new feature itself is doing what it says. It does. Right. So that those two levels of dusting so cuddles south test is a suite of doper tests. So to speak we go in do that kind of dusting. Is there a sense of continuous integration or continuous testing? In Los Colonel, I'm much more familiar with web development. And you have continuous delivery in in web development. How does that compare to operating system development? We do do that in the Lennox cuddle space. What happens is we how does strings that continuously teak patches coming in and run radius kinds of tests like for example, just to completion test. It could be Khanal has civil configurations. We have radius configuration options that can be turned on for example. You might have a patch that compiles just fine. Deduct Dulles compiles it and tests with it. And then once it hits the integration ring, it might fail to comply on some odd conviction out of some particular configuration, for example, I three eighty six it could fail on that. So we find those we have several gets master Linda's master, get the. On Conan dog then we have Lennox next, which is we call the continuous integration. So we're doing continuous integration of single day. We have an lyrics next release that we dollops us to test stuff continuously. So does that help you understand does? Yeah. You mentioned this tool case self test. If I'm a kernel developer, what is my usage for K self test. It is a test suite. So not so much test tool. So if you ought to cardinal della put what you would do is you'll use the cardinal repo, and you can kick off a it works from the cardinal make while mainly quite you will run you'll check out your cardinal sources. And then you'll compile the cardinal and say makes that case self test. What that does is it will build all the tests that we have and it will run through all of them. And then give you results for that. So the way I I use it. And also a lot of developers use it is they will use to run the entire test suite or they go into particular subsystem, and then run just those subsystem tests like, for example, somebody that it made it change to the cardinal space. They would just go on that particular subsystem. Can run into Joel subsystems tests as well using? There's multiple knobs that you can use. So you can go look at once this subsystem and say, hey, I want to just run tests in that subsystem or I want to just run in this on this particular route. So that's the kind of knob stay us. Then in some cases, it could be installed on any target does system in it can test can be drawn on the target, for example, cuddle Leonardo test forms. They used that. They take cardinal self-testing. They build it on the document system. And then they take it over to targeted system, and they run it right after they booed the cardinal. How does it fit into my workflow as a developer? Like, I am. I maybe I'm tinkering on Shum, I level element. And then what I want to run K self test on some lower level elements that are underneath that. How am I using this suite of tests, tactically? But so depends on who you are. Right. So if you had a. Cardinal deliver. And you made it couldn't change you want to find that cultural change before you send the patch up in that particular case, you will go you will make sure that the on the cardinal cell test, either particular to your area of the change you made and make sure that nothing broke as a user say, you are you have you just install the new cardinal, and you wanted to make sure that you could Noel nothing to rest on your side of things. So you could run it as a destroyed off a user or a ember a Delaware. You could go. To some eminent plot femmes, they'll use older revisions of the cardinal like, for example, releases long-term lease. They're not always on the main line Colonel. So they if they want to redefine by nothing, but will. Brutal street could act as users would use the whole suite. In the subset. When when I wanna use the subset this upset if you tweet tweets to something God something owed added a new feature. So most of the cardinal, Bruce. What would we do is development process? Then we knew feature we would in some cases, we would write new tests to go with that new feature. And then we make sure that the existing tests didn't as as we made this new change to the cardinal that we did not break anything. That's the regression part of it, which we already have in the cuddle Celtics. We add new test and say, hey from now on we want to test this feature. I we wanted to this feature that does it work the way to expect it to work and then going forward as other changes keep coming in. Does this fiction feature continues to work the way we want to work just to give the listeners some perspective for why testing is such a big deal for Lennox Lennox is, of course, running in extremely sensitive environments. You have mission critical things. That are life and death. And it's really important that bugs don't sneak in to lower level. Aspects of the code lungs is also very complicated. There's many different kinds of Lennox. There's different kinds of devices that run different versions of Lennox. And because of that the amount of tests and the different sub trees of testing types can get quite detailed. Can you describe the I guess the testing tree or how the tree of different tests across Lennox's managed, the thin the cardinal. We have cuddles helped us that's really one single place that we have us, right? Use it with us that can be run into jewel, dry woods and subsystems. They could have some tell softest the kickoff and run. Like, for example, you will have a test code driver. For example, a subsystem might expose certain test teen sort of interfaces to just testing programs. So you would the test of karnal softest tests used that to exercise the kernel, of course, cutting testing is very important as the part of rally dating qualifying cardinal is really important because it is the foundation piece in any of the lyrics ecosystem you want to help those bits. So it it. So we have various methods to in the cardinal to verify things like, for example, we have if I am writing ape changing driver, for example. I would go torn on configuration options in the cardinal that make sure that my locking is seen. That means I'm not locking here and leaving the law leaving that lock not unlocking. It those lock and unlock are balanced. So I can I can go into the cardinal and say I want to turn on those options. So which which which is I do so and then in other cases, they we have other DiBa GOP shins that will go and say look at case on for example, are just stunned as Asian so we can turn dot on. And then it'll go make sure it's these are all not something that you would turn on in the field. Right. But you would do it during the Dell of -ment or you do it as validation mechanism. Before saying everything looks good. So you would go and say, hey, I'm going to turn on a DOE sanitizer. And tell me if I have any memory that. I am using after free or. Any kind of memory issues? I might have. That's one example. So we have various tools within the kernel configuration options compile time configuration options that we can turn on and debugged. So we use all of these mechanisms. And in addition, we in some cases, we have tracing we can turn on tracing on Chrissy events. Like, for example. You are you have a host. And then you are you have a VM running. So you say, hey, I want to take this device and assign it to the VM. So we can if we are interested in looking at, hey, how this process is working is it correctly working so we can go and turn on Tracy events. So during run time and then turn them off. If we want tracing is an interesting one because. Done. Some shows about in distributed, tracing I'm assuming tracing somewhat just non-distribution raising somewhat similar where it's measuring the late and sees through the different paths that it's that a call might be taking or measuring at least that the call is is making its way through the different lower levels. I guess maybe define what tracing in this particular case, these Tracy events if for us to get a feel for how it particular user action might be taking paths it's similar to that. It's kind of taking baths in the Colonel. And we want to make sure we are facing the path. It's taking it could be used in two ways. It could also be used how fast something happens performance racing. And the other aspect is is it taking the right paths in the kernel that we expect you to take right? So as a debugging tool, so those are. Two different uses of that. I think what I'm what I'm getting at is that we have multiple ways to debugged and test the Colonel, and then we use depending on the depending on what we are doing as Colonel downpours. We all we do we use all of those avenues to test the cardinal doing dveelopment, integration and debugging. So if I had some change, and then I ran a performance trace on it. And there was a small increase in latency due to that change. How would you know, if that performance penalty is is like a bug or is something that would be considered a regression because sometimes it's tolerable increase in latency? It's not a big deal. Nobody's ever going to recognize it is there some judgment that's involved in that process. Yes. Yes. Depending on how bad the performance impact is. And why that? Whites introduced you have to fill the bay. I go go about it is I have to I root costs and say, why did why am I seeing the change? So what happened is that change can the change be explained? Or is it is it avoidable. Maybe that is something in the path. I introduced something that that I might have an alternate mechanism. That does not introduce the performance penalty. It all boils down to route causing in analyzing is it absolutely necessary to do. So and in which case the coordin- needs to be read it on. Right. I mean, you know, there might be a better way to do that peace accord or and so. That is that it depends on what kind of performance impact and how it can be solved. It also depends on the nature of it. HP? One view is a foundation for building a software defined data center. 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You have to make. So, you know, latency might be one like, okay. Is this latency go actually going to matter? Like, let's say you do a root cause analysis you find that. Okay. The root cause is actually like just a trade off that we made in the code, and it's actually just going to increase the latency. But it's not a big deal because it's something that's a synchronous, and it doesn't actually matter. So we're going to just leave it in there. But are there any other areas of testing that? Like, here's an example. You might say, okay. We introduce this new module and we've written one hundred tests for it. We could write a thousand more should we write a thousand more tests. So that's an example of subjectivity kind of question. Like the question of do we have enough testing? It's the testing is an interesting thing you really have to defy even the test. Cordray Dusko test code itself is could be buggy. So there is always a balance of how much testing it needs to be Todd good at testing in my opinion. I mean, you can have that's that's how I view testing. I go and look at how you can verify as took grains of dusting white box and black box. You probably heard about that functional. Testing would sus overall testing block box testing would be a lot of lot of the cardinal dopers. We are doing functional testing and white box testing. We kind of know what in some cases. What to look for some of the some of those tests are important because. If something shows up in a white box type testing functional type testing like lock imbalance. It will ultimately show up in a black box. Use a test case when use it as using they will run into it. So do they run into it after ten hours of us or one hour of us? That's a different thing is the reason why is it a race condition? Or is it going to happen all the time? So that is always a balance to me you have to. I there is a mix of white and black box type tests that would make a. Good test, suite. I can't quite defer the number on his saying, okay. Should you be getting thousands us? You might be getting thousand tests that really don't aren't useful or do you could be running one single test. That's really useful. So. I recently had to do this. I was I maintained USB your driver, and we have had some security issues that came up in that driver. And then I fixed several of those and then I was sitting known and looking at it. I thought is that if one shell script, I can run dot could exercise all of the different paths. And it took me some time to come up with it. I was kind of sitting there, and I'm going. Okay. This is what I do when I'm testing this. And so okay. Can I somehow put that in automated form, and then put it initial skip which I did. So now I run through that test. And that actually finds a lot of things like, for example, if I go. Do some kind of action like. Attaching device. That's what did I will does attach the device, and can I detach it or can I at attach you have to think through the process of things that could happen like, for example, somebody attack it's in particular state. So you have to have been I'm writing it us. I kind of have this state transition in my head. I might not actually put it down. But I kind of go, okay. Somebody could come in and ask for the device that's already in use. What do you do do with in that particular case? So you kind of have to think through and then automate as much as you can obviously you cannot automate everything. So we how as recently testing. I'm doing a media featured on the media these sharing feature recently. I have a patch dust batch CDs out for review. So I was looking at that Pat citizen. I'm going how do I test all of the exclusion cases? So I. Came up with a set of obligations like in us. So I'm running all the man who will Tess, and because a lot of these applications, I'm using are not low level enough that I pretty much have to have their green based or the unit to kick off a streaming, and such it takes a manual effort. So now, I have a document while I was doing that. I wrote this tape tablet form, okay? Of. If the device is in use by this uplink Asian can the other application use it or do you see busy? So I have this table sitting there that I need to go back in the next few weeks or couple months to see how I can automate it. So you always start with Emmanuel testing and say look at the manual testing and say, can I automate this somehow using the tools, I have or is it possible? I cannot omit. So these are all the processes I go through anyway. So in my when I'm doing work, we're about security testing. How does that fit into your workflow? This security testing is look for example. Hey, I mean in terms of denial of service is kind of a security kind of problem. Right. So somebody if if you could get a system to a state, it's not responsive that in itself is a is a problem. So you security testing spans. Range of general Colonel testing itself that is the specific aspects of so for for the driver. I was looking at any time user can get his system into a state where it's not responding or chronic sort crashes. Those are the our security vectors you have to look at networking, for example, networking, it's involves getting used packets from the user space, for example. So can somebody send you enough ending packet into data into the kernel we are in network packet. And how does the cardinal reactor is that's one angle. So you have to kind of think through that. And there is a lot of effort going on in the Colonel right now for Zing we go and look at the fussing, and we ended are fussing tests that get run. And then we have a backlog of bugs, of course. So we look at those and we. See how to fix them right in some cases. It could be injecting errors. We have every of injecting certain errors to see how the system reacts and some of those are security related, right? I mean, you could could you and also can use it not regular user. Can they get visibility into the cardinal memory in Ken, their security securities, multiple can a user view privilege today, though. So it's various aspects that I am. I'm starting to look at some of the the bug that we have at the moment. And then in the Google says bought a Saudi says about they are doing huge afford on finding some of the problems. So I'm starting to look at those and see what can I do? In terms of the first testing for testing is. Automated automated. It's a lot of it is autumn origin rated court like, for example, the so okay. One example chaos testing, right? I believe so so let me explain one of the one of the test. They do they'll they'll do a user. This is one example of test that they do. So system calls cardinal has bunch of system calls so use it program will just invoke all of the system calls and pass them say invalid data. How system calls react to it and dry were any dry will that has outside user visible. I e ELS I act so call I actors with. Bad memory are passing in bad, bad values or error injection really depend. How does the reactor? That's that's the those are two examples. I can think of at the moment. Fussing reveal what kind of problems in in one of the cases. This is a. This is a bug actually fixed. One of the cases is it would react boundary kind of conditions. What would what would in one of the cases when such testing happens if you have passing invalid fly invalid flag, for example? It godown cardinal path. It shouldn't take it, for example, should be able to detect that. It's an invalid and not access out of bounce memory. For example, say use this. I I'm just throwing this out. Right. So it's not necessarily a Leslie true. But are necessarily real problem in the cardinal. So you you have us user can pass in range of for value one through to fifty five or whatever if die after comes in. And then that I act specifies it wrong range does Colonel start to axe. This memory that it shouldn't access and go down pout and get an counter panic or a warning or a you know, it will. The driver itself run into an error that potentially could impact the other subsystems now would first testing help prevent something like a heart bleed for making it to heart bleed where I if I remember correctly, you basically had a buffer overflow problem. Right. That those of vulnerability because people could could actually access buffers that they shouldn't have been able to some of the idea talking about some of the sent problems that known I'm specter kind of no not specter who was the one before that heart bleed. I don't remember it very well. Okay. All right. That's fine. What about spector chose? What was spector was the? Manner. If you if you can if you can articulate with that was and. That is related to hallway. Right. I can't say I can't I can't speak to it that much because I don't. But it is it is a part of it is exposing we have several CPU's with different threads in threaded CPU in this is hardware. Right. So we'll one process. How can if one process user process can access to use the process will will be real have the ability to to look at? Data. That's not privy to it what it has privileged look at. So that at at a higher level that is the core of the problem. Right. So, but yeah, memory management isn't somebody complex piece. I can't say I know much about it. Okay. Do you know much about like testing it or how? Well, one contest we have house in in the cuddles Loftus suite that we do use to test. But when I am I don't I don't play in that area dot much to know. The extent of dusting, right? Okay. How do you test networking for a single node operating system? Like Lennox is is a single node operating system, but it's often networking with other nodes. And I assume there are certain tests, you would wanna run that would involve multiple nodes. What's the process for testing those? You're talking about networking between two different systems different operating systems. Oh, I see you talking about almost it. You're talking more about say, you have a almo- almost like heterogeneous kind of testing that you have different operating systems. Yeah. Running to operate networking stack. Yeah. What example exactly tuned to different operating systems talking to each other is is that in the purview of a self test or no, it's not. But I have done it in the fast. I used to work on NFS. Cardinal NFS part for issue axe. File system could act so in in that time when I was working on that we would actually how interconnective fests we call them hack fests or inter inter kind of duty pests, so we would that is one of the objectives. Being able to say it can NFL can you draw does entropy ability work at that level. Will you be able to emphasis just an example, but TCP IP stack, for example? So you will you be able to take a kid, you have a client running on Indo system, for example. And then you have a soda running on lenox. So how does the communication work? And if you have NFS is again packeted packets, right? You have like and any other APAC it up. You would take it packet. You're sending messages back and forth. Is that interpreted could actually on both sides depending on the stack? So in that particular case, you would run test to make sure that's that's one of the issue could do doing both client and server side have the reverse if Europe ligation save is third or client model, and if you want I don't know if we talk about settled clients anymore as much with the cloud, but but that is the kind of testing that you would do to make sure that even when you have different networking stocks in walled on either side that you are it's a TCP IP protocol. Right. You'll if if you follow that protocol, it should work, but and then. The other aspect of that either into I had to deal with is that if you have a. You might have the same operating system different architectures could come into play based on beginning. What's this little in? But that's all network. You have to worry about those aspects as well one year designing the messaging format messaging packets, I'm not talking so much about TCP IP. For example, you came up with your own using UDP as a base, but you're using your own application level protocol on on the top. So you have to worry about those aspect. So is that is that what you're looking for? Okay. You were at HP for thirteen and a half years could act would you learn about operating systems at HP? What can on? I have been. I was at HP. I was doing h we cuddle cord I worked on the low level experts drivers lot of the CPI brings system. HP Bill HP's version of Unix, right? It's a I believe I think it's probably at some point to be a steepest one and. Yeah, it's it's yeah. And then it's big Indian because that's the big thing that though so big Indian beginning. I'd say so we is sixty four this one of the ones early is sixty four hours I were down and risk as well. My fun. Excellent. Without was when when we were bringing up new system is sixty four system, we took the CPI, and then we had to make sure that big Indian worked. I mean into didn't worry too much about the beginning because they don't have any beginning systems. So how to go through and make sure I know what I did a lot of. Experts work where HP's servers there is lot sixty four way thirty two way sixteen weeks or even eight. We did on. But we supported online to placement on those experts online the placement what that means is you could Yankee call it out and replace it. And so all of that goes all the way from when you get there is the way sequence of things to do you push about an and you say, okay goes into driver has to go into a questing state and undrivable sat to detach itself. And then you go into CPI and make it make sure that you actually get it ready for removing the device, and then you put the new device back in and you'd house recognized. So it kind of spans from all the way from low level ACP all the way into the user level house one. I lost a lot of Tom's doing that. Because he had actually pull them out. So what was was fun? So that's that's the that's the work. I did. And then also worked on shutdown paths. For example, you know, how to gracefully shutdown in various cases system is just the way some of the internals of the operating system worked in terms of Twitter member even though so. Then you have is sixty four ways system or when you have multiple CPU's. You have the the way the operating system the internals of the operating system worked you had to gracefully shut them down in terms of various. It's not hard. It's not hard heart per se but coordination between different CPU's over just can go wrong. You you might wanna CPU might choose to not. Okay. So this is this is very internal to that particular obligations. This is not going. Oh, gosh. I don't remember. Okay. Accent you'd ask. So. Yeah. Samsung what about Samsung? So you worked there Samsung makes mobile operating systems. I guess at that point we're talking about Lennox, tell me about the world of mobile operating system development. It's the it's it's vide- different. So I came from doing of just sixty four way type Cicero send I don't think I would work done desktop as much but going all the way to going to really small phones. Right. So one of the things that one of the things that they encounter is. There is a lot of vendor drivers that sometimes vendors drivers that come into play. And there is a lot of pressure of time to market type things. So one of the things I realize I noticed is that it is hard for them to go. Take. Keep up with the main line in a lot of different cases. Like, for example. You know, you they they when they release the product and obviously everybody wants their phone to be working me. And I think I'll get mad if my phone isn't working. So it's harder for them to move to Maine new mainline cardinals as fast as they would want to because they have reasons to keep you keep up with the main line because mainline has new features coming in new. They do we all want to move to the main line because mainline Lennox cardinal. Has more features right is continuously. We're fixing bugs adding new features. So we want to move at the same time. You also want to keep your product stable. So it is a continuous balance of the two activities. And in some cases, some cases they the phone Wenders want to stay on. A long-term release you just continually try to merge with main line are you gonna get merge conflicts? Or are you just going to get errors and how the code interacts, you could get much conflicts? And then also in some cases. Phone Vandross might have they'd own creed that they're keeping internally because they might fix problems there on conquering. They might not have time to upstream those send it upstream the fixes, so. Yeah. The merge conflicts. Plus something might break. I was that is one of the things I was doing when I was at Samsung one of my activities was to make sure SAM's devices that are important to Samsung product teams. Continue to work on the mainline cut cardinals. So it would take mainline nine cannolis and make sure that that helped some of the product team small to two new releases quicker that activity itself. And when you say main line is it main line lenox, our mainline Android. I'm sorry. I'm talking about Linda, Linda kernel, we do from the Lennox Colonel dot org. Okay, mainline. Okay. And how does the managing the divergence between Lennox and Android work Android is that are two parts to the to all these phone platforms. Right. I have the underlying system which is the system software which is cardinal. Plus if you look at your phone and looked at system details, you'll see cuddle revision and three dot something or fold out something that is the actual cardinal lluhvision. That they might freeze on like, for example. We'll how we have do you do, you know, how the you probably don't have his ability to to all of the stuff we deal within the cuddle space. Right. So what Linda Susu may get mainline that is continuously moving. It's it has the new features coming in. And we do lease once in about a tweaks once every eight weeks in new cardinal release comes out so during those eight weeks seven to eight weeks, we are doing integration, continuous integration. You're talking about. So there is a two week window between releases this eight weeks is part of that first two weeks after a new release comes in. That's when all of the maintainers, and we are sending patches pull requests to us. Linda's post them in. And then the first two weeks is that is just ending this'll end the Sunday for five dot one. So after that. We are fixing stuff that we found in this the code base. We just did Linda just pulled in two weeks. So that continues depending on the comfort level depending on how many patches that are coming in fixes coming in that'll settle in the four to five weeks. And then the next release comes out very often the products like, for example, foreign sort of Samsung and Google or any other phone vendors, and even some of the destroys who to or they all to say, okay. This is what we want to be our next release on or this product does Samsung galaxy ten this is the kernel release we want to pace it on the usually always use is stable release and Greco. Hartman maintains maintains stable releases. He's been our show. Very interesting. So he probably went took you through that. Don't remember very much. Deep detailed show. So what Greg does is as soon as five zero for example, just came out like two weeks ago he'll start to maintain that as a stable release. And there's a couple three other leases that are always always stable release that keep keep getting fixes from the main line. So when we fix a say security problem or a driver bugger, and we look at it and say, this is maintain decide that are maintainers dollar pursuer fix that problem will decide whether this is should go into stable or not. And then it'll go into the stable soc stable releases. We have a couple three stabilizes, and then renders sometimes request and say, hey, we would like this particularly to be long term stable which is longer length. Then think it's like five ten five years. I think. It we it. It's decision is made at the time. How long it should be? So the way it works is a very new feature goes into the main line, which is Lynn asus. Cree and then stable trees get fixes from there. So product teams, I mean, individual companies than phone product teams, they decide based on the tried to get their dry worsen. So on that need to run into the one of the main lines, and then they use that whichever one house all of their content to get their product running. They will stabilize on that. 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Or are they mostly pretty aligned when it comes to operating system stuff? It's open source said that at that point right is cut scuttle community that they were can so conflicts in what way do you judgment priorities. So as open sodas, Adele, photos, we. We are looking to what can open source, right? Like, for example, we might have to have. But the same time we'd always looking to work with we don't think of it as in in a sense, we don't necessarily think of our selves as belonging to one company or the other because that's not really productive because you want to do. You want to do advanced the Colonel the way that scales and improves for the betterment of large generally general features as opposed to specific features audit product specific feature, for example. And if there is a product specific dry were it's still a component. It'll come in. That will be in the driver's space for if it's there is the driver that's needed for the phone to run that will be part of the driver. And then for example, Samsung would contribute that code and they will maintain that. I don't we there is. No, we I can't think of a conflict that we will have about a feature that, you know, this is people are willing to listen say, hey, we want this. But it needs to be generous as well. Does that answer your question something? No where I think is interesting about Lennox is, it's this enormous project might be the the most people project significance intersection. The you know, the biggest project managed by the most people with the most impact in human history. I I don't I don't know of another can't think of another. What has your work in the Lennox project taught you about human nature? That's a good question. So it's again it collection of individuals, which is I find what king in the Lennox. Couldn't I have a lot of projects before I started working in working in the open source, and then contributing doodling Colonel my sense is that people are welcoming. They would want you to do best contribute. They will give back because you are putting yourself out there with the large number of when you send the piece of patch out. Right. You do not know what kind of comments you would get back. So you have to I have learned minutes, a growth process, you have to learn about you have to figure out is a self discovery as well, you kind of go Hardaway until you actually send your code out. And then when somebody says there is a better way to do this. You have to understand that you have to say ha yes that is a better way to do it. And then you have to self discovery process of somebody points out something would that bother your how do you react to it? So it's self discovery aspect. You should be able to take feedback and criticism. And there is always been you look at six thousand or seven thousand ten thousand people there is always a percentage of the people a large person to those people want to work with you. And there could always be somebody that doesn't want to. Or you'll see different kinds of personalities just like any community. So what I phoned that works. Well for me is. I like to the way like to work is that I would take the feedback. And then look at the feedback and say, hey done under the day. We all are working to introduce the best code the one operating principle. Right. So we might have different opinions on what is best. So at that point communication becomes spirit important. So if you want to survive in open source community to help good communication in terms of being able to explain being able to explain you're the problem, you're solving. Also other interpersonal issues as well in terms of how would you react to feedback and criticism or how would you go back and say, hey, I understand what you're saying. But this is what I'm thinking. So be able to have that conversation. And it's the process imagine delivering criticism. Mm-hmm. And delivering feedback is is also an art could act. Those are. Yes, obviously. Yes. So it is tough. It's a tough process. Both are tough giving giving feedback in a way that you want to give feedback in a way very constructive. It it it has to be taken viewed the same way as well. So both are tough. So you teaches you a lot about him just humans. We're all humans. We are not perfect and we make mistakes, and we have to be understanding of each other. And then keep going John's are great feedback loop though, personally for like personal self improvement of communication skills. Of course. Yeah. It is. I have learned a lot. I mean, you know, I yes, it is. It is a I mean, I do I have taken. I mean that is one thing. I remember from it while back, I took a technical communication. Type class how do you interact with? In teams or how do you? So one of the things that stayed with me, and I still use it is if you ever have a situation where it's emotional situation, or then you want to not match emotion with the motion try to because if you it's like adding fuel to the fire, right? So so if you you have to set by stood back and say, hey, what can I say that would doesn't add contribute? If somebody is getting upset about it about something. I mean, it's actually something to us even in personal life to somebody is getting upset about something. You don't want to say something that upsets them more because the point communication stops. You have to stop and think how could you end, thankfully in an Email based communications it is actually easier. Innovate right in a sitting in a meeting room actually talking about code. It's a little bit different Innova than doing it or Email because time to yes. Delete about on Russian. Well, here's delete fun. But somebody probably has an audit. Log. No. I mean, Email if it's you're sending Email you can always look it over multiple time. At least look at it. One more time right before you hit the send that's send button. Right. So you can kind of look it and say how am I how how would other percent ticket? We might not think about it. I mean, you know. So so Email gives you that little bit extra time. I'm saying based communication or that little bit of extra time to think about it and say, hey, you know. Definitely I like how Google the g mail recently. Now, you have an undo button after you send the Email which I mean only last for like three seconds or something like if you actually make the emotional mistake the undo button. Okay. Undo undo. A three second window could be emotional mistake on it could be something. I have done this. I would just be thinking something. And then I just come up with. Oh, gosh. This is the real problem. Right. I mean, the code and it could be mine. And then I would just respond in Russian and go men, I should have thought about it a little more. You know, it could be it could be not just emotionally it could be something else to you're not thinking thinking through and you kind of thinking going down the wrong path. And you kind of just like, oh, this could happen and go. No. That can never happen. You know? And then, but it's now that you know. So so that is and then another aspect I phoned. I mean, I have been I have done a mentoring within Samsung, and I'm used to entering HP as well, which I have on both sides I mentored, and then I was Mantilla's. Well, so I learned a lot in both aspects. So one thing I found is it's open source is great place to collaborate work. I mean, we'll doing so much clever work, but it is always a difficult for somebody to get over the EPA -hension and p fear of making their work public. So that is a journey. You just have to make if you want to be you have to you have to want to do that. Because it's so much easier to not have to do that. It's so much easier to work on a project that isn't open source, and you can do. Do the work you do and you have a few peers that look at the code, and then it goes in right? But it is a journey. You have to make when you are setting out to to be wall. Notable to have you work critiqued by lots of people. And I see that in the process, I have mentored lots of engineers and the process for them there. It's an upper -hension for one. I they don't know where to start because when I struggle with the to like, for example, I told you I don't know much about him or I don't know much about scheduling, you know, like lyrics accces, it's a huge project. And there is so many areas not one person can be. I mean, nobody can be an expert at everything. So we all however pieces that we are good at in. If you don't look at subsystem put a couple of years it moves that it is hard. Even keep up that that's how much Delman goes on. So what happens has result is a lot. So smart engineers. It's hard for them to kind of wrap around will do I start. This is a huge cookie. Will do I start biting from? Right. So that's the first thing I notice and the second thing is getting over that apprehension what if I make mistake. How would people react to it? I'm going to look dumb. You know? So you have to go through the process. So. Yeah. Last question. How has your work within the legs community changed your perspective on computer, science, computer, science when I the human impact off technology. So just open source, and Linda cts, and is mind boggling to me, we have changed in the last just ten fifteen years. It changed. Our lives so much that we the communicate has changed the way we interact which other it has changed. How do we the bay? We conduct business has changed and in touch our lives in a vase that we don't even know. Right. Oftentimes, I would talk to people people that aren't familiar with technology, or, you know, don't I mean, they use their phone, but they don't really know what that means. Right. And then so I think I am. And then the the whole and deep learning and all of these are based on computer science. So it is amazing to see in the last twenty years. How much how many lives it is touching? So I have always thought that computer science is a combination of art and science, and there is a lot of creativity in walled. So it's a different kind of creativity. You're not in a painting a picture, but it is similar to that. It's a creative process. So the rest of the it's one thing to write an operating system. And how it you how it gets used is. And is something that continues to amaze me. Sure, thanks for coming. In software engineer daily. Great talking. Thank you for. Tim d. Go CD is a continuous delivery tool created by thought works. It's open source. It's free to use. 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Because here's the thing like since the last time we talked some stuff has kind of changed a little bit. I think you could say I think it. Hashtag got real. Did get real. Got Real fast. That escalated quickly. Her did that might be a better title. That escalated quickly. In any case I just Wanna I thought instead of having a gas we do have some guests recorded but instead of having guest I thought maybe you and I would kind of check in talk a little bit about how how things have been going over the last week. Talk about how fast the world is changing the answers very fast and all that stuff so since we talked last. Most dental offices have closed except for emergencies. I don't know I you know I don't know if I don't know if it's most but it sounds like a lot of across the country including the American does Asian suggested that dental offices closed except for dental emergencies. So I'm curious how what's happened in your office in the last week like like how did how did the timing play out for you? Well kind of started. I guess a couple of weeks ago I everything was kind of seemingly getting worse and worse and I told my team even before they start talking about it. I said you guys need to be prepared for this. Doesn't this doesn't look good said. Don't go to the shoe store. Don't buy anything that you don't need right now. And they kind of chuckled at me a little bit and then a week later. It's kind of who had last Latin. So so yeah so we had A. We saw Some urgency patients on Monday and then kind of closed actually did he saw some regular patients on Monday. And then close down that afternoon and then. I'm getting ready to go in a couple of hours and see a couple. Emergency Patients So yeah fun stuff. How about have yet? Okay so I I am actually at my office right now. The Internet's faster at the office than home. I don't know if that has anything to do with corona virus. But I'd like to blame it on Corona virus anyhow. I have been at the office since about nine this morning. And it's it's not quite noon yet. Here it's Thursday the Thursday before we're releasing it so what it's Thursday the Nineteenth for Reference Day. When he's listening to this after the world has actually ended be interesting that if one of the only things people knew about civilization was the dental. Heck's podcast I think this is like a little time capsule kind of burn it down so I'm at my office and I've been seeing on Sunday night. I was not as advanced with my team is. You're I like as recently as last week. I thought as that big of a deal you know. I didn't I didn't necessarily if they were talking about closings and shutting this stuff down. I'm not sure that I believe that it was really happening. I literally had kind of It was mid last week that I was starting to realize is getting more serious but in any case I hadn't planned to close anything down a week ago last Thursday so Sunday night after kind of I don't know I I don't know exactly what did it except I just felt like. I felt like The fact that people were talking about this virus I mean. There's a fair amount of report saying that current universal precautions would not be sufficient on a patient that was infected with corona buyers. In the problem with it is that since corona virus apparently has like a incubation period. There's plenty of people walking around probably have it. That don't know that they have it. Thus you have to treat everyone just like universal you have to treat it like the habit so I mean I don't. I don't have the capacity to do that right now. But but for my team and for me and frankly further patients I felt like I have to limit stuff as much as I could so basically on starting Monday. We're doing emergencies. Only what I've found in this last week is my office has a ton of emergency. I I wouldn't have told you that like if you said out you see a Lotta Emergencies but I've come to realize like I mean I was. I was busy Monday and Tuesday. I wasn't I wasn't here the whole day but I mean in. I only had one assistant but you know we saw some people and they were all emergencies you know. They were just so people know when. I'm talking about emergencies at this point. I'm talking about Infection swelling and uncontrollable pain. Also say bleeding like trauma or whatever so basically. I really am trying to pair it down like I opened a really hot tooth today. on a kid who We'd actually treat planned to do the endo prior to all this stuff but he really really blew up on him and he was dying so I I open that up. I took a really abscessed tooth yesterday. So I'm I'm really trying to limit it to trimmers these much I can and So I'm hoping maybe next week I'm seeing less but yeah I've been. I've been here four days. I just just four short days and so I've kept it to to emergencies. Basically now you've got to office. You've got multiple offices right. You get Do you have two or three three for the time being You lose count. Sometimes I do after this. We'll see him. I have left. They were maybe shuffling. There may be a chef link. I've got I've got three so I've just been kind of trying to do emergency zillow. Couple of different ones Each day so our during the week. So I'm kind of moving around so I'll see emergencies at one location and then possibly later in the the other location. Yeah do you have. I think this I think next week is going to be the time when people start to realize like Oh crap. The offices are closed. And that's when they're going to be there be calling up and even the worried well as as what they say about that career Testing so I'm sure they're worried. Well have been demonstrated we calling before long too. I think that's true. I think that's when stuff's going to get Kinda real. Were saying look really only treating you know this kind of stuff. Yeah there's going to be angry people and then and Kinda almost need to be prepared for it and be able to stand your ground. I'm I'm one. That has a hard time saying no to to pay to. It's a struggle for me. I feel like I feel like I'm hoping that media coverage is going to make that less of a surprise maybe to people. I know that there's a lot of I mean we even saw earlier today. There's a lot of a lot of media coverage that could make this look bad for for dentists and could make so. My hope is maybe by next week. The people realize we really are closed. We're my team's doing a nice job with it. I think is best I can. I'm I guess I'm not gonNA worry about that till I till I get to it anyhow. How how are your house? Your team taken it were. They went went. It all happened did did they. Were they surprised or not really? I mean I'd kind of given them a little bit of a warning. But there's there's a lot of tears and uncertainty and just you know they're they're scared to just for even their car payment or their electric bill Sent me there at understandably scared and it's it makes it hard And and like I said in the in the axe nations. You know I wait my car. A cried cried out because I could see that they were scared and I knew that That I had have a stiff upper lip. And and just say you know everything's GonNa be okay? We're GONNA make it through this. This is how we're going to do it Even if it if it comes worst worse You know so. That's that's all you can do. Yeah there's a little consolation knowing that we're all kind of going through it the same way. It's not like it's not like this only hit half the office. It's not like there's only hit half the people everyone's kind of kind of going through the same way so so. That's a big. Corporate offices are still open around us. So yeah honestly we have. We have a bunch of people that are open that are not corporate offices. We have people that are basically saying it was only recommendation. So we're not stopping. There was a dude on on the news last night in Flint. Who is who has. I think he's going to regret going on the news in talking about as as As flippantly as he did. I tried to find the news clip. I can't find it but I think I think he's going to regret Weighing in that strongly on the news about how this is nothing to worry about I. I hope he's right actually. I hope he's right. I hope it really is nothing to worry about. More just overreacting. I don't think that that's the case. Now what's my my employees. Were were very cool about it. we're in talk a little bit more about about how to deal with it later in the episode. But so I'm we're doing okay We are trying to find sort of make work stuff a little bit for as much as we can clean the carpet. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA clean you off as we're gonNA just. We can keep them working but I. I think we long-term plan because I don't we don't know what the long term I think the recommendations were closed for two weeks and see what happens but I. It feels like to me that a two weeks isn't going to be it. It's going to be longer than that what he would. What's your take on that I? I think it's going to be longer than that This is not going to. This is not going to go away. My my hope. Is that enough of the tests are available So they can start testing people and know who's who second. Who's not I don't and those people can can stay home. I mean even if you look at the I mean the. Uk is not closing anything. They've pretty much said older older people. Stay home in quarantine yourselves isolate yourselves. And everybody else is doing regular business. And and they. They don't have a rash outbreak of of cases right now so I mean it's it's it's hard because you scroll through facebook in one post and then the next post is like you know this is getting better next alarmist and the next post is reassuring. It's a lot of people know what to do. And it's it's hard to know what totally what source it's coming from. I'm going to say that I'm finding that social media is a pretty toxic place for me to be right now I definitely find myself getting keyed up about stuff when I'm reading it so so frankly I'm stay in off it more. I mean I don't I always say that but but I'm I'm sort of drawn to it like a moth to flame on some level. I always kind of have been but like I. Just don't. It's not helping me to see people that are that are as upset and freaked out is not I mean. There's there's not anything there's nothing I can do about it. And so it's easy to get really upset or really frustrated or angry at Steph. So I'm kind of kind of limiting it On some level You Know God love. The dental hacks nation is great but man. Oh man there's some crazy stuff like people people are really out there. I guess that's kind of what we do in the dental hacks nation so just beware you know. I. I don't I don't want to give recommendations but maybe maybe social media the best place to spend all that time. I know my wife has told me that multiple times in the last couple of days. So she's probably right to. I've been trying to get outside with the kids and and run around and just just walk away from it and definitely not turning the TV on So it's a yeah. It's it's a lot of fun and and in such as toxic right now. We made a point of being outside as much as possible in. I'm lucky because I live on a forty Acre farm out in the middle of nowhere. So honestly I just have to walk out my door and we can walk in the woods and stuff which is pretty great. Like there are some downsides living in the country. There's a huge upside. Because we're supposed to be you know socially distancing and it doesn't get much more distant than where I live so an when the weather's nice like today's supposed to be in the mid fifties which is real nice for Michigan Spring First Day of Spring today. So basically it's it's that part's been good. I been trying to be outside a lot too and my kids of course are so funny. Kids are kids are so used to video game screens and all this stuff and then the schools are all like setting up online classroom stuff. If your school has been doing that for the kids Yeah they were just sitting there watching my my wife. Just commandeer the computer because she's watching a Webinar from our payroll company. Learn how to How to do? But we're going to do so excellent as one. Okay yes they. They've been outside running around trying to get them good hired as possible so we don't good there my gosh like so. They're young and they don't really realize what's going on either so area. Happy as they can be every time every time I say something when my wife and I are talking about something that's negative She can't say anything in my house anymore. Because she's freaked out that little freak the boys out and you know what they seem pretty like you said pretty resilient about the whole thing like the biggest problem. Jacob had yesterday is that I made him go outside when he would rather be playing on his intense switch and like that's literally if that's what the apocalypse looks like we're doing probably okay but it was. You know it's one of the things where I it's tough because like you WanNa talk about things openly but you also don't want your kids to read stuff more than they need to. I think you have your kids the age of your kids kind of a sweet spot so I think they're not going to buy that as much mind minor thinking about it a lot right now and have to be careful with what you say it. Does they do here. Hopefully they'll just look back at this month at some point in time and just be like remember when we had to stay home those two weeks so we played in the yard for wildlife. Good Times so I gotta I gotTA throw a couple analogies at you because these are allergies that that I've been thinking of a bunch in last couple of days especially when I'm driving to work and there's no traffic and all to me. Every morning I wake up and it kind of feels like a science fiction movie like of all the different movies. You've seen where there's like. There's some kind of apocalypse or or or something like that. It I keep. I keep waking up. Thinking was that a dream or is this really happening. You know in. Not that aims horrible happen but it is. It's super weird. Like I've not never experienced anything like this before I've been practicing dentistry since nineteen ninety seven. And there's really nothing nothing like this That's happened that I can remember so it feels like we're so used to. We're so used to being things routine. A lots of routine thinks this is so out of the routine. You don't really know what to expect and so on some of it almost feels like we're in. We're in a movie or something have you. Have you had that come over you or not really? Yeah the where we're living right now is pretty close to the road and sometimes it gets kind of noisy and I just noticed in the past couple of days to quiet as it's aw. It's almost pleasant. I mean you can see some of the some of the pictures coming out of Italy and And Venice If you've ever been venison and seeing the canals it's like the dirtiest water ever and other showing pictures of of being so clear and being able to fish and and you you can almost think. Is this partly a good thing? What's you honestly completely reasonable like? I understand what you're saying like your first off. The I think human beings WANNA see like a bright spots in this and on some level like yeah. It's IT'S A. It's an interesting change. I I don't know I you know it doesn't I sort of joke about the apocalyptic things not really that apocalyptic what what's weird to me too is. Is that from what I understand? The time to make radical action is before the hits the fan so like I think were were where I am. We're at a point where we don't know anyone who's sick. We don't know who anyone who's the guy that we've got like one or two cases in like a Tri County area. So it's not. It's not rampant but then again that's partially because people aren't really being tested you know it's like we don't have enough tests and the tests aren't comeback fast enough for them to know the the numbers are going to be rising the questions or the numbers rising because we have a lot more testing or because it's really spreading. I don't know but you know the questions. What's IT GONNA be like in a week? Is it GonNa be same as the are? We GonNA know more people. I know it's very. It's the other analogy that I was thinking of and I talked to my sister and my wife about this it. It feels like we know a soon. Nami is coming right. We don't quite know when and we're not sure if we're prepared enough for it it does to me. It feels like that we're sorta like okay. When's it but that's like for two days now. It's felt like that and and things don't feel like they've change a ton. I think I think case numbers are going up. I do think but it hasn't really come. It hasn't really hit me. It'd be interesting to know people in the dental hacks nation who might be in bigger cities. I mean you're in a bigger city than for crying out loud. What what's it? What's it like on the ground for you? I mean it's I think we've only had a couple a couple of cases of verified near us You know it's and people need to realize it's not one hundred percent fatal. It's not if you get it. You're not necessarily going to die. I know and I think people if people think that they get it. They're just gonNA drop right there so I mean I think hopefully the seven stages of grief or whatever it is and and there's GonNa be some psych Psychological changes and and people than the next couple of days and and kind of looking I don't think the panic can can go on for that long Before people just kind of a you get burned out or get so used to it that they don't don't pay much attention anymore. I totally agree. I totally agree. I think well for one thing okay. Four things that have been noticed early on was like Selling out of toilet paper at a grocery store or or silly stuff like that where you know there are shortages of some things i. I was unable to buy the brand of butter that I'm used to buying in. I know that's tragic but somehow we'll carry on You know it's it's stuff like that what's going to happen. Is People realize the supply lines are not to beat up and so that's probably going to get relatively normal soon enough like it won't be such a big deal to go to the grocery store and pick up what you need You know the water's not turning off the tap water still runs you know. It's it's stuff like that so I think probably I'll bet you buy next week or so. Some of that. Some of the psychological fear driven stuff will be will be less. Maybe maybe just the the the boredom will be more. Maybe people just being tired of being bored and being cooped up. Well we'll be more next week and be interesting but the tidal wave. It'll be interesting to see when it actually hits what the world is like if they are tighter restrictions. I okay so for bigger cities I knew I know the San Francisco Bay area is basically. They're they're locked in their houses. Unless unless till further notice essentially or nothing like that around here I mean she. We still got dental offices that are going full bore and stuff like that. So it's not really. It's not really that big of a deal yet. It'll be interesting to see Are you guys. What are you doing like your family? You just try to stay at home or you got yet plans to try you know. Go somewhere else or anything like that number staying at home. My Wife's heading to target here in just a minute. She can't stay. Stay home for too long Yeah how it went to Home Depot. Yesterday needed a chainsaw. I've got projects that I'm going to work on While everything's going on I know that's about the Zombie Apocalypse. If you don't have a chainsaw you are not ready for his own system. Just said the duct tape to my shotgun. But it's definitely for practical purposes. I I do feel a little evil dead going on to do little I've I've stocked up. I've I've gone a little crazy on some things. I got a sixty gallons of gas. The other day Just thinking that if any supply lines again for the flame thrower for the flight is on these Yeah they said. Actually if you're afraid of somebody breaking in to use a wasp spray save. You don't have a maze or something like that that keep Wa- spray because projects pretty much like twenty feet. Goes a long way. So if you're if you're nervous about somebody Invading your person That's a little tip. That's all survival tip from old Jay Lin so I think I'm going to actually rig up a dual like like like six gun shooter like from Westerns in each one. I'm going to have a Wasp break-in instead of like the actual guns. It's all just walk around with bowlegs and like Spurs boots in the Wasp Spray. 'cause I feel like I could be a real dead I with that. I mean I'm I'm out. We're in a kind of a temporary house. 'cause WE Bought another house some in a temporary house. That's pretty much right on the main roads so I get a little nervous. I feel a little exposed sitting out here. That if anything goes down Some people who might want to do bad things you'd be like that's an easy target right there and you know my office on a main road in Saginaw mind you. Interestingly like the the the way in is kind of behind a long story short. I'm not super worried about the office. I've heard of people talking about putting their clothes and masks in lockdown and stuff in their office. And I'm like you know I'm I guess I'm not that worried about that yet. But and of course. My house is so far from anything. If someone goes as far as defined our house they probably they probably deserve what they came to loot anyhow so I will say though we have an attack donkey so to say. I don't think anyone wants to deal with that. Url Floyd Floyd Floyd. Although if we had another one we'd probably name. I feel like earl and floyd would be a really good. It's like the whole. Cast your in your backyard exactly. We and we also have goats. We have attacked goats. I'm working on training them to go for the jugular in we have a very ineffective guard. Dog She's got a great bark but yeah all you'd have to do is throw a ball for and you'd be you'd be right past that one. I have a pit. We're working on Russell sitting here looking at me. I would all out. I would mess with your dog less than I would mess with my knowing that Gracie such a pussy get the. I wouldn't mess with your dog. Charlie so I wanna ask you about you. You'd mentioned something earlier. You know that there are some offices around you that are staying open in. I have multiple literally on on this at least as recently yesterday. They were open full business doing hygiene the whole nine yards in then. I had a patient take this with a grain of salt because I don't know if this is what she really heard or not or she just means snarky but okay so a patient ours that we rescheduled on Monday. She was mad. Because we're GONNA do some cosmetic stuff for. She was really she was really looking forward to it. And we we explain and she she was upset but it was. It is what it is. She called yesterday and she said well my kids Dennis. She goes to. She goes to a clinic with our kids. Apparently they're going. They're fine. They're appointments are still on in. They're going and I asked them. Why would my dentist You know why would my dentists be closed? Aren't you worried about the Coroner's Oh no no you? Dentist just didn't WANNA see. You is what they told her. No that's what she said she told. But I'm like okay people if you are actually saying that if you are if you are using this opportunity to To as as one ad piece we read recently to vacuum up all the patients that are left high and dry by the dentists. Who who shut down. I invite you to go yourself. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life clearly. I did not not want to see her. I was actually trying to follow some guidelines in frankly. I'm respecting the Public Health. Authorities that this is the right thing to do. So what do you think about the offices that are staying open like that? How are your I mean? I think it's pretty clear how I feel about that. How do you feel about that? I mean obviously they could go through it and and nothing happened Or they could go through it and something terrible happen You know is it. Is it really worth that worth? That risk And we don't know so I mean they. They may come through it totally unscathed if they're the say. If Aspirin were the only company out there that was raging through this and Nationwide THEY HAVE. They have a more of a chance to get something within their clinic And I think that if that were to come out to the public that something did happen than there. Acid be would be grass at that point and You know They would probably Some companies are kind of. We're talking about this earlier. Kind of putting the blame onto clinicians themselves Outside of of corporate corporate blame So I mean is it really worth it. You know. It's it's is it really worth at the end of it. I mean clearly. We're all GONNA be in for some weird financial straights for awhile. And that's I think everyone's I think most people are they don't know what it's going to mean exactly but they know it's coming Aspen in locally here is closed. They're doing the same thing that everyone else's so the reality is I don't even know I am. It may go from from office office. How they're doing it I know some that were non corporate. That are still going to so I think a lot of them are saying well look. It's not it's not a mandate it's only that it's recommended by the American Dental Association and the Michigan Dental Association and most analysts associations across the country. It's only recommendation but if they recommend that you close and you stayed open I I I know I I think I think that means you think you're smarter than everyone else and again I invite you to go. I mean I would feel I was so worsely harbor guilty if anything were to happen To somebody that worked or a patient you know it never really live that down I mean chances are that they would be fine after. Just be sick for a while but if something really did happen. I don't think you'd ever really live that down. We don't really know yet. We don't really know in May. Maybe it's maybe. We're all super overreacting. I I would argue that probably. Almost anyone would be perfectly happy to know that. Yeah we're just overreacting. I don't think anyone's GONNA we'll be upset if we're proven that you know that's it's tough. It's tough to know into. That's I mean we're it's it's an abundance of caution. Yes I feel I feel particularly bad for. Let's be honest. I feel particularly bad for hygienists because hygienists are high dollar. You know if you're GONNA try and keep them. Employees employed hygienic are GONNA be the toughest ones to do because they're the most expensive employees and literally they produce kind of you know they eat what they kill in hygiene is one of the first things that they're saying. You shouldn't be doing. Because the Aerosol is produced so their hygiene Hijazi going to be the first ones GONNA last ones back on some level in so I feel for them. You know I feel for the they understand. I think most of them that that's kind of now mind. You think are glad that they're not doing it. Because they know that it creates kind of beer saw that sort of thing so I I kind of feel bad for them other employees. You might be able to try. And you know if you're if you're doing make work stuff cleaning the office in sorting and organizing. Oh by the way. Our sponsors zirk is offering jobs right now Which has always been free. But it's a great idea because if you've got your team in working you can use Zombie System to kind of look at new instrument organization and sterilization protocols and stuff really big box of stuff that you can try out so check this show notes. But that's I mean it'd be a great thing to do if you're thinking about it and their process is really neat because they send stuff to you and you get to try it yourself. They don't you know it's not like you have to go somewhere to do it. So it's kind of a cool thing but I think it's harder. I think for employees for certain employees me harder to keep them employed or and again. I don't know enough about how unemployment works to know if that's worth doing or not but I know there's everyone's kind of feel feel miss out on their own so it's kind of a kind of a weird thing. Whatever something overhead or decision you make your decision so is it? There's no wrong decision here. It's not like it's not like everyone's going to second. Guess what you do accept me now. I'm not GONNA ask me. Yeah Yeah I gotTa do feel that a little bit. So here's something else I wanted to say. Now is the time to contact your creditors and see what kind of breaks they might be willing to give you. Because I'm going to suggest and I'm going to try and get someone from a bank or someone in crediting on the show at some point but I'm gonNA suggest they don't want to own your practice. They don't they. Don't WanNa repossess your practice gazillion. They gotta do something with it. You know I don't think it like if we're if we're really cash strapped for awhile. My guess is that a lot of those banks a lot of people that own your own. Your debt are probably going to be pretty reasonable at this time. What do you think about that aspect to my banker? Yesterday I've got two different loans to practice loans with a local bank And I called and spoke to him yesterday and he he was even saying look. You know we're kind of drinking from the fire. Hose right now to This is not the industry that's being affected They're they're trying to figure it out but he's going to defer my principal payments on loans for for a couple of months and have to make interest only pay payments and then Tack it on at the end of the loan. So it's not sure how perfect but it's it's it's a lot better than But nothing Well yeah the way. It is right now to figure that like just hanging onto cash as much as possible at this point is what everyone's going to try and do makes it makes sense. Because you know I don't know the the idea of. I think there's GonNa be a lot of creditors that are pretty willing to look at stuff. So if you literally hadn't thought of that or you're not sure I don't think anyone's GonNa hold it against you if you call and ask or defer something because I think now is the time everyone realizes that my Nio know enough about what what has been passed in Congress and I don't know enough about what's going on there but I know that I know that everyone's kind of looking at this is all businesses are being hit on some level. I will say the grocery business right. Now it's a good time to be a grocery I would say but I think a lot of these businesses are being hit and so I think now is probably the time to talk to your creditors in see. What if any if any you know any slack can be cut at this point? I'm glad that I'm glad to hear that you did that. I I honestly haven't done that yet. I'm going to do that On my on my building anyhow just to see if I can. I can keep some cash free so donate it. Yeah so okay Jason. I'M GONNA. I'm GONNA switch around a little bit like everyone sorta going through this at same time. We're going have a lot of time on our hands and and frankly doing a podcast is good because we can work on. Podcast we can interview. We can do stuff like give. What other stuff. Are you gonNA do outside of seeing dental emergencies to keep productive her? Keep busy or keep you know are you. Are you just going to curl up in your bed and cry or are you going to have you? Have you thought things you WANNA do? Tell me about that. I'm probably going to get the team in the office Next week to clean a little bit and kind of organize and just get through that and do that as as much as possible. just try to be productive Work on some marketing stuff like a posted in and they don't ask station yesterday. Probably be a good time to start recording videos for your practice You can take pictures. get on your Google your local google account as start posting pictures. Google my business account Just making content. If you needed these something that's productive. Just get out and just make content If if there is some creative dennis out there looking for our cash stream. Maybe take some dental pictures and sell them. Put them out there if you're if you're if content creation is your thing man that might be now might be a good time to to if other people aren't GonNa do it. You could kind of do stuff for agree good idea. So there's people are going to be clever and come up with different ways to to make money I I like to have side gigs. That are that are beneficial to the industry and not dragging. Did the industry down So there's GonNa be ways that people are going to people are gonNA make money Through all this. And it's GonNa be interesting to see what people come up with a I was thinking of starting A CBD mouth spray thinking. I'm thinking that my goal is really expensive. Like insane. League's going back is that that's sounds that makes people one of the more yup thoughts and prayers and thoughts and prayers. So I have been exercising more. I actually started running last week for the first time. I'm I was thinking about not but I did in what what when AL is. Running doesn't look much like when you think of someone who's a runner. I do a fair amount of running and walking but I'm I'm doing better and better each day and I I am. My weight is as low as it's been since about two thousand five right now so Which is not a bad thing for a dude like me so I'm going to spend some time. Keep an active as much as I can. I thought about it on this morning. I've been talking about putting together. These chart templates in this little piece of software. I literally talked on the podcast multiple times and I still. It's always such a great idea. Never sit down and do it and I fear may have enough time now that I will actually do it. It's called the it's called text expanders. It's really it's it's really flexible and it works on any kind of computer you might have. It's very cool and you could literally create a chart note with just a few key strokes and like outside of outside of your software. I know that most softwares have a template situation like that. I was thinking of doing it outside of that. We'll see I don't know but I'm I'm kind of If anyone's interested in hearing about the seeing that software actually started a facebook group but a thousand years ago with with talking about this thing so I think I might spend a little time if I have I I fear. I'm going to have the time. Let's just say that. I think I'm going to have the time so I might work on that a little bit too projects you're going to do at the house We just bought a fixer upper right before this. Great timing and you're looking at financing to be able to to Redo it but via once again that's kind of gone by the might be timing might not be permanent has a lot of trees in the back that we have to clear so. I will probably be out there with a chainsaw hacking away taking my frustrations out on on Mother Nature. That's Okay No. I think that's probably therapeutic Do wear those those Kevlar pants. Because you'RE YOU'RE OFFICE. Need you and your legs and stuff. That's for sissies don't curse me. He Glimpse Lipson. He limps in one limb less than normal. I was actually cutting a tree down and Not yesterday or the day before yesterday and my way of falling opposite of what I expected in my my chainsaw gets stuck the start pinched. The tree started lean but my chainsaw got stuck in there So I had to do the the skittish Saul on the other side where I would make two or three strokes with the with assault on the other side. Then run yard and get out of the way. I'm sure of course my my neighbors are older. People have to set outside and watch every single movement that I make my gosh audience when you're awesome. Yeah because that's the kind of thing of it totally happened to me like like it's amazing to me how incompetent. I am at at being adult on so many levels. That would so totally right now. I've got a Right now I've got two trees that have kind of our AKIMBO. That are that have fallen. But they've kind of landed on other trees So I had to figure out how to cut those without killing myself So that's GONNA be my project so if you don't hear from me Yeah well. We'll we'll check in and see how the chainsaws work. And that's good. So I I had questions about for listeners. Who WANT TO If it's going to be a while here we have podcast content. Don't worry but I'm curious for listeners. Do you know do listeners. Want us to try and keep it as normal as possible and not focus on what's going on or are they interested in this kind of thing where we're talking about things that are happening. I am curious because I we. We have a lot of flexibility that way and held the heavenly knows. They're gonNA have time so I thought about talking to like someone like Jeff. Glad Nick or someone from a website company. Who's really promoting what you said which is to be creating content and working on marketing stuff Also like maybe talking to someone in finance or or from a bank. I have a couple of people in mind that I think about just to people know what banks are thinking in a situation like this. I thought maybe we could talk to those folks and then I'm going to see if we can get in touch with people from either different states or governmental organizations or dental associations just to hear what they're thinking about you know what's what the long term ramifications as. I thought about that. But if you guys have any any ideas of stuff that you want us to cover outside of the normal dental hacks kind of stuff I'd like to hear it so you can put that in the dental hacks nation on facebook. If you're not a member go ahead and join at your own risk It's it's it's pretty murky murky water right now the issue but it's still good. I mean there's a lot of good information or you can. E MAILS INFO DOT COM. I mean if you have questions or comments what you might WanNa hear on the on the podcast. What do you think what do you think we should cover Or or have we been covering the right stuff of anything is good just to let people know that everybody's in the same boat and we're all doing kind of whole similar stuff so sometimes it's just good to know that other people are doing the same thing and going through it so. I think people let us know what they want to hear Throughout time and hopefully we'll get back to normal stuff here yet. You're seeing yeah we will for sure and I mean we have. We still have a lot of stuff that we can put out there. So maybe maybe we'll try. Do a mix of of current event stuff that might be helpful as well as like normal so people people realize that the world still okay out there and stuff like that so I thought I thought for our go. Hack yourself we do something a little bit different I thought we would offer up our thoughts on like either inexpensive or free of content for people to listen to or read or watch whether it's dental or otherwise like what kind of stuff. What kinda stuff they're thinking of Were thinking because I mean there's we're still use still like ubiquitous content. Everywhere got netflix and Amazon. And all that stuff in a like you know as long as you're not still going you've got a lot of access to stuff. I'm going to say right now that you've never had a better time to belong to spear online. 'cause I mean we've always said Oh my gosh there's just so much content. There's never enough time to take it in. Guess what now's the time. They have so much good stuff there and if you are not a member now it'd be a really good time To to get on board. There's a lot of good dental. See Either it's that Spirit Gatien Dot Com. And that's you know. That's a relatively inexpensive way to get into just about all the content you'd ever want from dentistry What are you got other ideas of content youtube and facebook? I mean what's the people get off facebook for a while but there are some good people are putting out some good resources Out there so I think as time goes on you're going to find more and more good free resources to kind of get informed or get on the I can go down a rabbit hole pretty easily and on dental education. Yeah Yeah Yeah and eventually ends up with Nazis up. That's how it always works those guys in the now what they say. Basically as long as you keep watching. What if you keep taking the recommendations long enough it'll be about Nazis and racism and stuff? Pretty sure that's good to know something else I would say Okay people are like. Oh now's a good time to read books. Here's the thing. I know that our local libraries are closed and I was thinking to myself. Why in the world don't they have like a couple employees there in you like request books online so that they could bring them out to your car? So you don't have to be but in any case Kindle unlimited is a really good service. I think it's like nine ninety nine a month or something like that. It's basically all you can read books. It's not every book. But there's a lot of books on kindle unlimited in and you basically can have five of them at a time rotate through them and it is like an if you're a reader It's a really good deal to really. It's it's essentially like have a net flicks or you know Amazon prime or whatever for books Books in red content. I mean obviously there's lots of blogs and and lots of websites but this Kinda cool because you can actually read books. A LOT OF BOOKS BY INDEPENDENT AUTHORS. Who who have only published on. Amazon cabinet inching can get into a lot of different types of you. Haven't the kindle unlimited APP in that services. Pretty Darn. Good. I've had it for over a year and I'm not that much a reader. I still get a lot of value out of it. So that's that's worth a look to audible is going to be having a lot more customers here. Oh yeah that's another one. I mean I've been audible on audible crazy forever. But here's the thing if you can spare a couple of hundred bucks. There's a they have. The thing was like twenty five bucks or twenty four books for year and stuff. Like it's it's totally worth it because the best part about audible even if you don't re up with audible the next year you get to keep You get to keep the the book so One last thing I I so before we go to. Do you have any series like like a television series or whatever that you that you would recommend people re binging now that now that they may have some time. What obsessed start watching the other day? I started watching a hundred humans on Netflix. One hundred humans hundred people or something like that. it was pretty interesting. It kind of went through and ask People Kinda had like a group of one hundred people and say If you think you're more handsome than than twenty percent of the population here raise your hand that they would filter out people and just Talked about different peoples different perceptions of of themselves within groups. That was pretty interesting. Interesting interesting so I'm going to. There's two series. I'm going to watch over again. Netflix says a series called love death and robots which was like a an animated. They're like animated twenty minutes shorts and they're definitely not for kids. So do yourself a favor? Don't don't watch them with your kids because they're horribly violent and horribly sexual and lots of cussing and everything there rain I loved it I I. I stayed away from it for a little while. Only because You know like I'd seen him in there but I'm going to watch those again in on DC universe which is it's a subscription thing. I'm a sucker for comic books. The Harley Quinn series which I've talked about relatively recently I'm GonNa Watch that again because it was frigging good. And in supposedly in April they're releasing season two of Harley Quinn so I will be caught up again. you've never seen the characters that are are such throw away characters in the comic books the villains so well explored in so so well developed as characters in. It's it's freaking hilarious again. Don't watch with kids is horribly violent. And it's it's tons of cursing in but it's really really entertaining grown up so. I would highly recommend that and I'm Gonna. I'm GonNa Definitely Watch those. I'll tell you Disney plus For if you've got kids they're releasing I think they're releasing frozen too early or they may have already and of course the mandatory in is still streaming. You can watch the whole series again that sort of thing so I think some of these companies are maybe release films earlier than they were going to on the streaming services. Just because they know everyone's going to be homebound for a while. I'm watching Harvey Quin. That's a that's a mini series of documentary about a lawyer. Stir exciting yeah. That's a lawyer in his his day to day. Life sounds good. Sounds really busy wearing clown makeup or not really very skirt. I see I see well Jason. I think we can wrap it up here after that. The Yeah Oh so we so. We're going to be here. We're not going anywhere. We're going to be creating content for you. We'd love to hear what you want During this time of the corona virus. But let's let's keep each other safe in in In support each other because this is a weird time for everyone and we don't really know what's happening or doing our best so Like I said show up on the tax nation or emails at Info Dental HEX DOT com. And we'll try and be really responsive because Hell we're going to have time so so we'll create what you WANNA see. I'll keep being angry for you guys. Don't you worry good perfect? I was hoping I was totally hoping that Jason. Thanks for spending a little bit of time with me today. In you know stay cool and the apocalypse let me know. Zombies are coming in and I guess we'll talk to you next week.
CIPYD 182: MaxFun Drive and Jackie Kashian
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Here we go. I. Hey, max. Early going. When the feeling that. I feel right now is when I go to a baseball game. And I think we should the way. One more Russian crowd is like a weird time. The game is contained. Right now, I'm standing up and down by myself over here. That's fine. That's the name. In all honesty. Who have just joined us within the last year. Enter like the heck are they talking about? We are on the max network and once a year, we have a max fund drive, which is where we just build up the community to be part of max fun, and it is happening this very week and next week. If you're listening to mini max, fun podcast. You're like, I know I know everybody's talking to do. Do you clicking stuff? He's looking through. This is bringing up. Great question. A lot of fun. And we'll talk to you a little bit more about what makes drive is. And how to be part of it a little bit later on and show, but it's really fun. So take your cell phone over to any of the social media's and put in the hashtag fund drive, and you'll just see a lot of cool stuff happen. Oh type. It's very exciting. Tugboat hasn't been able to sleep wink, very excited very site. And this is second one. I don't know why. He so jazzed for it. But still like a still kind of new to him second one. That's not that's not very. And I think you have so much fun last year. It's going to like a theme park where you think it might be less fun. But you know, now, I know what to skip this. Exactly. I know how to know exactly where the snacks are making great points. How are you guys? How'd you we besides cheering on Maxine drive in loving it? Great a lot of rehearsal for that mostly just mostly that those who. It's very cold here. I have to complain. But other than that, I'm doing great it stopped raining for you. Is that writing for me just for me, you alone, which is, but I got you guys. Listen, we haven't done whether talking years whether corner gas good weather corner in there it is. So green in Los Angeles. It is you guys crazy rained so much. And it is when we talked about going to Seoul vein last week. I've never been to Ireland. But here comes this statement. I feel like you're an iron. As green is the mounds of iron, and it is it's beautiful beautiful real real real pretty tug. Didn't appreciate it as we're driving up like it looks and then try to Arlen. Stop trying to accents like it. He didn't care for come on in grades. Well, we like it. Yeah. I mostly I'm excited for max von drive, but I'm particularly excited for the show because of our guest. Yes. Can I tell you guys? Yeah. Now, I'm going to let you. I am excited for the listeners. I'm excited for me. Yeah. Likes we please Taylor. Sweet sweet listeners they've gotten themselves into this week. Yes. We have a lot of fun stuff. We have a my minute from grace and flash we have a really fun. Thread about the weirdest thing. Your dog is afraid of coming straight from our Facebook group and guys Dr afraid of some weird stuff. Can't wait. I can't wait. And as Rene mentioned, we have guessed Jackie -cation, who, you know, as your favorite stand up comic. She's been around forever. She's on every show. She so awesome. So fun. He's so good. And she's also the co host of the Jackie and Loria show, great podcast. So we're super excited to have. We just recently joined max fine. That's true. Which is. Yeah. It is if you had any interest at all in stand up comedy Jackie -cation along with her partner. Laurie Kilmer Merton Myrtle Martin wheel Martin there. It is. So so good there show is so good. So I think you guys are gonna like here in Jackie talk about dogs. But you're also gonna love that podcast. Also, get to go on a vacation. Jackie -cation. Oh, listen. That's the first time. It's occurred to me. But it the whole time we're going to go into. We'll get into it. Here. We go. Oh, okay. Guys. Facebook thread time exactly I should have had a haiku ready. We talked about this last week with pressure ourselves. It's Facebook thread time good. Heck? Yeah. We love Facebook thread. Great dogs dogs dogs dogs. Really good. Thank you. This is a really fun thread started in our Facebook group by I think it's Mari or Maria spelled M A R. I this is about weird things that are dogs are afraid of. I love this because they're on the one headed breaks, your heart, buddy. You're okay. But on the other hand to watch especially if they've had a particularly. Just troubles not troublesome day, but like on Redick they're not behaving. Great. And then they get spooked. You're just like well. Well, well, it's tough. Tough guy, come home to roost. That's saying. Should we go around around the table? What are up cer- spooky of? Yes. What is like the weirdest? Stupidest thing that the Sasho is afraid of I'm gonna say headphones. You're real good. Yeah. Like like just pon has just regular all there. I think she doesn't like them are walks. I think she doesn't like when I take them out. You know, sometimes they swing swing our day ears. Yeah. She hates that I understand. But also, how are you not used to these things? We're hearing. It's never once hurt. Yeah. No not. Techs. He's got a classic one. He's got attritional. He's terrified of the vacuum. But he's very brave about it. So his ears the distinct ears. They just go back. And then he just like keep an eye on it and this time and just going to stay in the room. It's going to be fine. I'm staying there. And then it's a slow back of like. Nope. Nope. Nope. Not a good camp cute. That's very just the the amount of time that he lingers trying to be brave, and then and then it always foiled he thinks. Doc was afraid of the vacuum. But she would just bite it. Vacuuming? She go by. I know you're man Rishi eight you trying to defend me against this monster. It's very cute associate when I get. All right. What our Facebook listeners have to say about this. Okay. Well, Mari started this thread because her dog looks very worried when he is close to her hydroponic lettuce. Show you guys this. Look worried. Scared but confused scared, but very confused. Yeah. Now, let's see what other people's dogs are afraid of Leslie says the furnace intake. It's a great on the floor soundless, and you almost can't see through it. Okay. That's fair. That's not here. Yeah. That's not scared. That scares me something haunted. First of all. Yes. Obviously, Molly says the oven and dishwasher doors, opening actually a handy trick I need to let her to to get her to let go of something over into the kitchen and put my hand on the oven door, and she drops, whatever. It is interesting is. Okay. Lou, Betty says Lucie is afraid of loud noises Scher plastic foil. Metal grates win smoke detectors cooking static cling. It's garbage collectors and many more. Oh, oh, I wanna hop on board with that also has the kind that flip the trash trucks. That flip the that. He doesn't care for those. Oh, does he says the barking thing just bar gauge? Yeah. I mean, I like no dog loves a huge thing with wheels. That makes a lot of noise. Like, I feel like little kids love that. And dogs hate that out. No. It's way too. That was a good list the one that you just read right? Okay. Maggie or mangy says traffic cones begs of garbage when it's not garbage day. Stashes murals of large animals hay bales and the cat. Now. The cat is seven pounds. The dog is one hundred and two. Scared. I get it. Darrelle one to really interesting ones. Larry yet. I've never heard of a dog who scared of murals before the love it. I'm into it. I know I really like that. A blank wall. And nothing. Thank you. I wonder if it's like maybe it's picky. That's a bad mural mural. Yeah. Yeah. Freewheeling? Yeah. Just an arts thing. Okay. Page says poppy lost her I'll say because this is a family friendly podcasts at Petco last night because she saw a giant picture of a cat on a sign. I had to get her to sniff it before she realized it wasn't a real monster cat. That's real interesting. Yeah. I'm also available to dogs. Can't see anything me to. They're just terrible. But then the things that they can like huge cat on wall. How do they know that? But possession would never register that what Tugela surprise me if you times was what's on TV. Yeah. That's another weird one. I have a friend whose dog barks at cartoon dogs on TV, which to me is really like mind blowing. Yeah. How do they know how Larry is? And try to show. I'm watching something on the phone on checkout that donkey doesn't care. Care less sized thing. Possibly. It's at right who small picture. I don't know if I want to get to the bottom of my dog won't look at my phone with me. That is true. What else we got? Let's see. So April says Libby is not afraid of much. But she keeps getting my son's cast. He broke his wrist a sniff, and aside, I think it's pretty interesting. Very sweet. And she doesn't like extremely windy days. But that makes sense who does a good. Rachel says her dog is excited about fireworks scared of people blowing into glass bottle. That's a weird one to be excited about firework. Yeah. Very weird doesn't care for the. It's like when you're trying to make the bottle. Yeah. Okay. Let's end on this one does sound like a ghost. Yeah. Maybe they know some we don't like there is a full-blown goes. Making that say, they probably think are so stupid on this one. Yeah. Connie says her dodgers afraid of life that she's getting there. We all aren't we all love that thread that was great fun. Oh, yeah. Thank you so much and check it out if your Facebook group, or if you're not you can join it, obviously, it's really fun. It's a great threat. I love seeing weird things dogs are afraid of. 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Also, the co host of the Jackie and Laurie show rightly to max fun. Ryan. How's that going newly the Bax fun? Very exciting. Do you know that it's I don't know if you guys know this, but it's pledge week or. Got through that to me. Laurien are like what are we doing? There's an extra episode, and they get a pin and things happen. And then there's other things and. There's there's fiddling diddle this first year to figure out how to how to be part of the team and everything's better. When you're a team. That's look good. Attitude. Everything is when you part of a team. Movie. You'll remember everybody is like we all chime in slowly, but we all know it right for some reason, we all know it. The catch is weird. Weirdly inspiring. Yeah. Because you wanna be your like, I'm jaded. Thank you. And you're like, no, everything is awesome. Team. The troll movie too had had another son by the same guy. Justin Timberlake, saying it. It was I don't know. I want to know what? This guy's the Sean is like team songs lucked inspiring. Got to go to the Bank thirsty. That is. That's very. No. We got hit the jackpot getting you guys on the network. I know the listeners edited please, please come over to Mexico. But we're so happy to have you because we we were doing it alone. And I think I think I thought it was going to be less speedway. Because when we started doing it like I have the door for us that I do by myself, and it's part of all things comedy. But they literally literally they just check in and go did you do? I was like, no, we're good. I guess not thanks for the logo. They've paid an artist to look. Casually. Yeah. It was nice. They have a studio. I could record there but much like yourselves. I would I stay home and people don't be easier. Yeah. Cheesier smart. So, but what we do is we go. Now, we go Laurie's house. We could go to max fun con. Sure. Fun C max. Dr there's a con there's a studio it's on them. It's not. Work. Yeah. So it's gonna be exciting. And so this our first year doing it. And so, yeah, we're hoping everybody's on board. And yeah. Go to backs fund dot org slash don't. Four years. We just did the spiel and we had to do a few takes because I don't know. Well, we read aloud from points that were given to us. I was like, please give us bullet points. Otherwise, this'll be the entire up not gonna know what to do for an hour going through twelve pages of paperwork. So give me a one sheet. I almost almost without a problem. Read everything you. Unless there's like in the middle of it. It's like, let's do this. Yeah. Invade. Yeah. Forgo then. Yeah. A nice limit to have. That's good boundary line. Not this time not this year. Maybe next your show was incredible. I think it's universally incredible. Whether you're like, a huge stand up fan or not. But the thing that I love is occasionally you'll report dogs from the road. Oh, it's Jackie you. I it's great. It is thing. But it's hard. Yeah. They have a new thing at airports where they will. They have like dogs, you could bet. Yeah. Dogs you pet at the airport. That's a good idea. And you know, what that Doug is good sport smokes that his full on it work and okay with it. Then look of it know what my husband's family their dog people. I've always I'm big imaginary. Doug people because we were never allowed a pets show. But the the Andy knows what dogs like you'll see it's like said happy. How do you know how do tails up? Heels you just straight up in the air wondering around pet petting and you're like, oh, happy dunk. He's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's always nice. Do we know that if the tales that's a happy? Yeah. Yeah. And that's. And that's. My problem is I assume they're always happy. Right. And I get informed. Otherwise, I didn't take a peek detailed him. So what's going on his tail up? And sometimes you're just like well that tails up in India the dog and goes, not unhappy cited happy. Yeah. He's just he's just Millo. But if like like tail between, obviously, we all know, bad news. Yeah. And ears back. Bad news. Not and you're like, okay. All right. I got the science, I know a mall. So okay. No, no dogs is a kiddo. Was that? Did you want one is a kid? Yes. I want the neighbor stocks. That's how much I wanted to Doug that I walked my dog was that my dog my dog was the Magnuson stalk her name was misty and she had another dog named pepper, but I mostly walked misty and misty. And I would go on many, many journeys for miles and miles. And it was great. And we had a lovely time and for years and. Eventually she got very old. And I remember the last because we would it'd be about two or three miles. Maybe. Yeah. Probably two miles to the lake Lake Michigan. And as she would she got old. She literally was like, no we're done walking. Miles of the lake back. We're just taking me to the park. On this side on that. She was like fifteen years old. She was she didn't she didn't need anybody. In Michigan is chilly. Are you a year round Walker over there? I would walk her. It was not long walks in the winter just me taking her out kind of the park. Okay. A lot of parks and self monkey Wisconsin. So. It was close. And then in the summer, it was the rambling. I'm gonna take the dog for a couple of hours, and they would be like, please do loves it. Just bring her back and don't kill her. An assigned job, this volunteer. This is I was twelve and I went to their to their yard sale, and I met misty. And it was like would you ever want someone to walk your dog? We need a little. That's the dream as a dog owner. That's my dream is someone being like, can I please them? It'll be here every day. Yeah. That's and we're gonna tell was misty. Well, this was a black lab. And I didn't do it every day. It was more like once a week because and they were like, well, that's fine. Just like it was just a happy. What long walked for the dog once a week enjoyed, and then I went to college then I came back and misty it passed because you know, twenty years. Yeah. Fifteen I dunno. That's only beef with dogs. The only thing wrong with them as we just gotta get longer live four hundred year lifespan dog's lifespan. I used to joke about if you've got a tortoise you'd have to be dependent burden on your sentence. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What you wanted Hannibal this birth? We had an iguana for twenty three years Andy had this. And he just passed. It was it was an anti was psyched to be there for but it was super sad. And because of your is three and a half feet long wanna got him when he was tiny because one of his co workers like a like. He was one of those cube farms, PlayStation, Sony, PlayStation, and so one of his one of his cube dudes impulse bought three baby WADA's. So now realizing they all grow to be three and a half long. Yeah. And he was like. That's how Indies family always gets animals. There's somebody somehow like many of them. Yeah. Get an extra one. And so he's his Guana was the ultimate lift. Oh, yeah. His whole family's very very good with animals. They must be. Yeah. He worked at United but hurt his back or something in retired or and eventually for the next twenty years he trained bird dogs for field trials on horseback. Which sounds like the coolest job of the world job. I would wanna make up. Yeah. Especially when I was nine worse. Yes. That is. Okay. They have this unique way of getting dogs. Are there other like how did they get all the animals that they do have? Specifically, the dogs will now like these bombs and his two moms and was parents got divorced. We was twelve at his dad moved back. And reburied, and they were very happy. And then and then Andy eddy's mom and her partner together forty two years. She also just past Fran is in heaven right now going why did type areas get the lead? Why do we hear what the IRS again Jacqueline? I am. So sorry. So. Nice law friend for. Sweet they both died like three months ago. Very sure. Yeah. Anyway, so put friend had cancer she had cancer for six or eight years, and and they had gotten Pete, and they found Pete the dog Pete was just running in the neighborhood loose and they had their their last August passed away, and they had just retired. They're like we're going to travel. Pat, that's the dream. That's real you're selling kittens in the backyard, and all of a sudden one of a best and they had a cat. And then they find Pete will they fund this other dog running just shaking and running. And they were like, oh, we we are not keeping this dog. So they you know, they bought all the dog bed, and they got the band. They did like hundreds of dollars later, and then one of their friends came over. And he was like I'll do that. Oh. All right. You gonna have the and so they got rid of weeks later. Pete runs into their lives. Oh my God. Is a beagle. And Peter's just a sort of young young pup beagle. Running through the central valley of Gulf cornea. Yeah. In their tiny, orange in olive town. And. And they're like, oh, I guess we have it. Yeah. And so that's how they got Pete. And then Fran got diagnosed with cancer, and they were driving back from the doctor in France would like another ranch. So they stopped a great time to ask. Smart smart way to time. Yes. So they got Tyson antisemitic like a Chihuahua mix, and and so good laptop. Yeah. And a lot of energy a lot of energy will play catch for almost forever. And and so they have Pete and Tyson and then put Fran passed, and so they have tigger the cat and then Pete Tyson. There is a good glow. Real nice. It's a powerful powerful team team for for Christa wanna tell Hollywood to make a movie out of it. But yeah, that's a good. That's a good group. Do you know how they landed on those names because Peter Tyson or solid dog names? I don't know if they do feel like solid dog names. Yeah. Petri it's like a person's name. Yeah. Nationally persons and Tyson more of a chicken thing. Until later is just just seems very catlike. Yeah. I think that was of the three that one was a little you coulda tried harder. But I'd still like it. So good and for twelve years later, or whatever. So we're stuck with a sealer. Yes. So I don't know where. I'll tell you. I have a stuffed dog that named laddy. I was trying to figure out I did a show last week, and it was a storytelling show, and you had to bring something that mental DO. And it literally is the only thing that I have for my child. So I I cut brought that weird pillow. Oh, that would've been actually more. For this for for this show. I should talk. But that one the other guy brought the other person brought a an eighteen inch rusted drill bit, and it kind of fascinating anyway, but ran into him. Sorry. We'll go back to dogs in a second to carry. Anthony, Anthony Johnson. That's that was his name and great anyway. So but laddy, I call my sister. And my sister had a raggedy and all that was just a stuff like a not a traditional one sort of a knockoff 'y one, and I had this stuff dog and it. And I was like where do we get these issues? Like, you know, I don't know. I don't know. And I said, do you think I our stepmother, my my mother died when I was about seven and my father remarried immediately. And she was busy shoveling out our lives and didn't have time for toys. I know should we didn't get them from Nancy. Yeah. But of Dr Charles, I think what amounts of France anyway. But so I called by Brooke I've four brothers an older sister. And I was like someone's got. Yes that happened. Right. How did land landed committee with and my brother feel goes you had a stuffed animal? And then my brother rested. What who cares? Anything about any stuffed animal? So in other words, nobody cares and nobody gives a damn race. But he's still got him. Yeah. I remember why I named him laddy. Let's hear this story has come up. I used to watch the television program in reruns Lassie, and I have always one of the dog. I wanted a boy dog for summary of Lanny. Yeah. Oh. And the back does laddy look a little bit like a collie. No. A beagle. Dog but very squished flat. Now had led since I was five so five years old to be like I wanna make it very clear one a dog. And so I will call him laddy. So there's no vision. Some sort of weird gender. And I was like conjugated things. What happened? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's. Because most of the time if it's a beagle is names, brownie. That's the colori is Larry is good. Well, my sister has while she not only has ready and she also has a dog, but it looks like a rabbit and everybody made I remember everyone's saying that look like a rabbit look like ravaged. She's like, I'm naming a cat. She was like seven this. I completely support that. Yeah. I guess the thing that makes me sad is that I mean with the talent like that in the family. Oh, and but it's really for the best for the safety of all animals because my father does not enjoy animals. My father has six children. He barely enjoys us. Yeah. He said what I do a bit about how he's a lot like radiation. We never saw them. Buddy affected. Our lives. All of our lives. Great. I want I want you to do better. But I loved that. Sure, my dad wants to do better a little bit too. Which is nice. Eighty two took belong to figure out that he wanted. I see what was I supposed to do. My brother Phil who didn't never have had the who. Never. Goes dead. You wanna have a catch? And my dad to this day is like we're not playing. We're not sports peop-. What's happening is whether appropriately relentless about that is relentless I wanted to be no, we're we're every time. I pick it up could you start? It'd be so great. But then that would make feel bent shit play catch with me because. Oh, right. It's because fills thing is he's he's the second oldest. Yeah. Which is sort of almost like there's like everybody's a middle child. If you aren't the oldest or the youngest, and I'm the youngest. So I I've gotten good pub the whole time Stanley. And yeah, I don't know that your go-to is the consequence of what will happen. If you get something good that people will be mad. Two. So would you classify yourself as a big or small dog person if you were to get one, okay? This sized up. Yeah. It's a medium sized dog right there, which I liked, but the thing is I used to be used to be anti little dog. And then everyone's gotten little dogs now. And I don't know how you're gonna hate a little dot doc dog. You didn't do anything. So you beat a dog. It's a small dog. But it's got a lot of personality. Yeah. A lot of good sport. Often, very cuddly interested in meeting you who doesn't like someone who likes you and dog's always do. Stroz? I know that the person who does the national dog show the commentary that job is locked in. But I want you to do it for just a year. Just great personality. Nice work. He's making it work. Little. I was mind color commentary dog shows super. It's like, you know, like some comics wanna do work in wrestling. They wanna do announcing in wrestling. Yeah. I wanna do announce again dogs. Yeah. That'd be so much gently here. Now, we need to employers who hire that we got a guy. I think you're the person they need. Talking. Not I wanna tell you a dog story is movie called axel. Have you seen axel? No x L nothing to do with guy in the band. Okay. It's a dog book. It's dog movie. I saw for the first time on the back of a chair on an airplane on mute recommend that recommend that. That's how you see axel first second time. I saw it. I was on a different plane, and it was playing I was like, oh, it's another option I could watch. Excellent. And this time I said gal, I would like us and headphones. And it is it is an amazing movie of of just the term is crap. Tastic? It is a delight. It's pump up the volume. It's let's see it's more like a Bourne identity beats airbud. It's about a robot dog in a guy in a dirt bike grand. Okay. So robot dog military experiment? And it's actually a parable that you could have been if you're nice to it. If you're nice to it's nice to you. And that's axel because axel is a murder machine. The government made the government made a murder machine out of a dog no dog cover dog and then robot Doug like I'd always to do this. I run away I run away so dog runs away, and that it's awesome. And then he ends up all the drones come. They get him and he kind of breaks, but he doesn't break. He's he's buried underneath stuff. In our hero on like high school guy dirt bike. Just like that especially I could have written this screenplay nine early enjoyed it. Because I had an imaginary for Hannah dirt bike, and I wanted a dog so bad. The perfect because they bond doers. I liked sometimes sometimes I do I want the dog to have liked the kid better or the bike. But who knows? Anyway. So how did this movie go this movie? Will he bonds with the guy and the dirt bike is fine? One point the dog acts the dog makes himself into a ramp. So that dirt biking sore wasn't chased by the government is going to get their dog back silver dollars. Brazilian dog dog. And then of course, are dirty has a girlfriend, and then they right around with the dog. Yes, a bad Cobra KAI kinda guy, and so there's bad guys. And then there's also a government bag guys. And then at the end under spoil this. Guy, you're warning. Warning. This is a movie quite honestly that was born to because at the end of it. They kill the dock. The can't do it can't nobody can take it. There is no old yeller. There is little sounder the American public will not stand. No. Even though it's a robot dog there's three scenes after the dog blows up. Essentially, we find out that the dog has downloaded himself onto the door. Is back on US people friends. Excellent to with ketamine. Hopefully, not seen this movie. I've never even heard of this movie. I haven't been plans enough wreck. Is this movie belongs only, and this will be not old. This is this is movies. Yes. Came out. The blowing up. Stands for artificial X dog. I don't know what. But they tell us and I've seen it now twice, and I will fly again, and I will watch one more time at the very least. When I fly I like to watch movie on me. On the chair in front of me show. And then I like to be on the internet playing video game on the phone, and then I like to sometimes take break for both those things real novel. Yeah. Or something or look out the window or maybe take a nap. He'll snooze Will Smith. Guys phone thoughts of dog on Twitter. It's pretty great. Thank you. Yeah. Comes from that. There you go. Yeah. Okay. I was going to give you credit. Okay. I wish to I do wish to steal thunder snooze all very respectful of you, Jack. We okay, I I kinda wanna make you are running Doug commentary like will you come back and tell us any dog movie you've ever seen that was. Yes. I love you all dog dog movies for you. Yes. Recommend doc. It's Jim key. A book key yellow guard. When I was a child, I read a lot of dog books are a lot of horse books because of that age and immigration trial. The gym yell guard could yell guard because there's a j in it AJ E L L A R D believe any wrote a book called. Red big red and outlaw read their about show dogs that are that are I were setters. Oh, a big red makes friend with a boy. And then they go off ventures outlaw runs away makes friend with a different boy. And then they have adventures things happen. And then there's another guy named Colonel p meek. Yeah. Colonel SP make Lieutenant I believe he was also writing. It was writing under Lieutenant be made. Anyway, he had dog horse books hits voice books that I really enjoyed. But his dog books were great. And I have one of them about a coast guard dog. Tells about the coast, and then we'll go. Stormy. And it's it's essentially it is like a Chesapeake Bay kind of dog. Eat all those dogs kind of boxy. Yeah. There are fist if a dog Pat bad bed, and and that dog could save people and have many dog stories actually might want stormies, very good. But I'm going to close on this goes here. Here. Current favorite Doug story. Which is I was in Iceland. And I got pictures taken at a studio that was very fun. See my public works anyway. But the dog that I got to meet was the Tara for had a dog in the portrait studio, and I said to him like you say guy with the dog that is. Yeah. And it was kind of a Saint Bernard dog. And I said, and he said that's a nice dog. And he said to me she's a rescue dog. And I said, that's great. Okay. Then there was long pause into the man in record Iceland. What do you mean by that? And he said she used to rescue people in ice flow. The risk to. That's wizard any sign of her trying to rescue you at all shoes. Older Deng wearing a bit of a costume because it was a costume Porteous city anyway. But that's incredible. I was like smart dog. What does that mean out here? Okay. I'm sitting among your hours here beans what we've saved a twelve. The same credit saving a life. Balloon fourth. Oh my God. Jack is stories are in critic normally at the very end we play game called name that dog where we bring up one dog that has been mentioned, you gave us so many options that I'm now going to let you choose would you like to name it robot dog a beagle. Or an Irish setter. Oh, my. Head of us. You know, I think I would like to name a robot dog, and I would doggy twice. I would like my robot dog to be sort of a Butler dog and his name to be Randall. Yes. That would be lovely nine dog name. That's a real good name Randall Randall Randall the robot does that down drop it drop it. Ration- loaded. See I should have do. Yeah. You know are there. Do we have plans? Jimmy knows that I want to. Okay. But I am on the road said you would have I would have had any dogs. I can't have a dog right now. And so we we don't have a dog. But. But we do have a lot of feral cats keeps capturing and taking fix nation that we have less feral cats. But they're fun because he likes to there's one whenever we go in the garage just since. This table is rep of the window and stares inside the garage while we're in the garage going on there that was buttercup wall or butter that I'll anyway, so then there's another cat that sits right by the screen door in the front yard for door waiting for us to move. If you could leave. Space hoping to. Station about it. Terms. That's jet. Black cat and jet. Just anytime. You wanna move this leave the door? 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Favorite game black crime or white crime now live from the Cave in Atlanta Georgia Junkie K to the big off the hall of Famer shook Kaelin Air till they hope black people. No I don't think there are as there are gross. I was to say that it would create controversy. And now you're Jack says it it's big laughs on the big podcast show. It goes man hard to stop the music out. People still talking about the tiger thing. Oh it's still all over the place de Gaza. You should be ashamed for Kentucky's in cages. I'm like Bro. Never loved. You know folks can't let stuff go Well guess what you know. You know what they can kiss your harm. All it did was go to zoo a man. A man can't go to no no no. We're not as close right now. So now saying wait till everybody finds about your frequent trips to Neverland. I said that's really going to be really speaking of stories. That might might have been better left alone. Why Shack wearing sunglasses on today's show? Because I'm in the COMREX closet Osiris as well because they look a little too small they look a little kid. He's a little bit like a teenage boy would wear. They're going on spring. Break some earthworks available in the commerce clause with a lot of wires and I don't want to be very white in their view. You stand stand added. The Commerce clause let you in on the joke when when it's got something going on because then it would really remind us of John who speaking of things that might have been better left unsaid. Yes did you hear what was going on with Jr writer and what he had to say this week? Whatever okay so jr was on all the smoke. Which is hilarious. Because that sums up his career what all his college career long. Do you have a great story on? Jr by while this goes on okay when he was at Unlv okay well story. He was on. He was on all the smoke with Matt. Barnes and Stephen Jackson. He was a bit hesitant when he told this story about you when he first got to Los Angeles but told anyway. Here's the audio so when I heard the license me you get intuitive. Geez nine days a week you want me to get into whidden. Come on you clean. One feels man at Grad boy. So do you discount his story or okay? We'll see you in the video. Yeah Oh my gosh that a prophylactic it. Is that a carrier some more worthwhile clearly. We're having. I'm only going to talk about it. This one okay. Jr Rider True Story. He is at UNLV. Only Mass Amino is the is the CO Raleigh. Okay and Isaiah may have had somebody that needed to help him. Write a paper for class okay and that was just fine until the professor returned it to because his name was spelled wrong on the paper. Yes whoever wrote reform horse famously with the Hawks? When the Hawks moved them into the army so wouldn't he would stop over sleeping for practice which was connected to the Omni Hotel and they had to go send somebody from practice because he had overslept. Act from practice when he was in the hotel connected to the practice spot. It's unbelievable back in the camp leaving. I'm aiming to say about that shack on ten K. And warns though yeah the Great Coby Bryan is not here. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA rest in peace brother. Yes it listens here. You know me So they're going to say but rest in peace still miss him still thinking about always always I'm I'm actually not going to watch the hall of fame. We talked about it last week. A little weird But I'm not GonNa Watch it. Why why would you not watch? It is going is going to bring me so on on a scale of sadness to one to ten. I'm I'm finally at least two now. Okay but that would bring you back right. You have to seven eight nine and I can't right now so I don't WanNa see. Oh Highlights Amari watching now on those It'd be great if it his wife gave a speech or or his mom and dad gave a speech but I was GONNA washing ceremony. A lot of people said last week we dig it a few feedbacks special social media San. They actually like the idea of Kobe having his own night. A second night a second night to patriots the first night is just Kobe. And then you get to pay tribute to all the other people that would be there just because it's going to be such an overwhelming event. It'll be nice. What's that that they had a Hologram? What a Hologram of him sitting next to everybody. Oh no no yes. That's be nice if they can have a Hologram of Michael Jackson demanded late late. Show Kobe a Beato speaking of that. Show that's Michael Show Nola. I went there just to be like Hologram when that came up. Yeah I was like those backstage to me. Michael for like twenty minutes to greatest disrespected him prince him Prince. Oh cardwell's the greatest artist. Yes like for the just showman. Performers him and prints are in my or an on the one hand a different stratosphere different. I'm going to. I was able to bring up too much controversy already. Know you're say are Kelly. Don't you dare say though about music. Okay I'll suckle no Johnson performers perform like a showman that you're not just up there singing there's a performance invalid. Brad Chris absolute outfits a male only audience. Stop Stop It. I went to a Chris Brown show. They know brothers thing. Trust bit more in women's hopefully protection protecting the The Did you watch any of speed? Things may watch music music. No my condolences goes to call anytime from other on a on a newer a newest there was used to come up to me and say hey you from. Jersey you know. They always used to hit me with that one but she was a beautiful. Eddie mom actually called me because my mom would would go for and so call. I know you're probably not watching this but I'm sure somebody's GonNa tell you to those rather than for me and my mom give us a call. That's rough yeah. That's just Did you watch any of Nba Horse? Oh Jeez you mean the Blair witch project I seriously and W. T. C. Ma Younis acronyms. A true I'm not watching that. Okay what would it be? How hard would it be if you were going to put that on? If you're ESPN you have stringers all over the country to somebody's house. Say six feet away do proper social distancing and have a proper camera because that is terrible to see somebody looked like. It was something off of America's most wanted. Here's the video of the bank robbery and it was terrible and they got to do a better job than that. If you'RE GONNA present I love the idea check. I love trying. That people will try new things and everything. I give him full grades for that. Rubber question here was up because I'm lucky how this look out. Mr. Dickey don't have his own thing. We could add our own graphics to this thing to this type of technology can put stuff into it. I'M GONNA dress it up a little bit before even online look. It's not guess what I paid for the other day Shack Studios Baby. Oh did you really be talking about wait a minute? Here's how is this going to be especially after what we saw this week with the storms in Atlanta? Is this going to be one of those mobile homes that picked up or did you see you see what happened up? Seventy five with mobile homes. This week seventeen went airborne like went airborne and around Atlanta highway. A regular house team. Different of those mobile homes went airborne. Four or five of them landed with no damage. That's unbelievable K. But they ended up landed up like half a block away away. It's amazing why four great low reaching only speaking speaking of these studios when is when is this thing dropping? Just pay for it. So they said four weeks and we'll get dressed up and then we're GONNA have a grand opening party. How do you do social distancing getting it ready because somehow four different rooms that and you've got people that work at the House and stuff? It's great to our Buddy Kenny. It's great to have staff associated. Listen watching the news but start not watching it. You shouldn't why anyway they said we're going to have Harvard. Scientists says we might be social dissing to twenty twenty two. No I liked what a Harvard scientists but did you see the. Why don't you watch the others as as you hear it from Dr Falcone today this morning saying pro sports will be back sooner than later. Okay he also you can also go to the PGA tour last night. They will resume their season June eleventh Okra June eleventh. They resumed their season every major league baseball. Ten thousand people employed by Major League baseball between coach coaches players. General managers rosters in the majors and minor. Leagues will be tested by close of business Friday. They're going to be tested to see where they're at with this. So then they can proceed with whatever their plan is so. There's a lot of good news there shack but you know this. Yeah if it bleeds. It leads sad. News is what they're peddling right now if you want bad news to to keep people up and keep the panel discussions going. They're going to keep feeding. And by the way. The Terry good leads leads leads. It needs on the news. More importantly every please Lee. What you think about You move on. I don't care what I don't care. What local news. You're GONNA Network News you're going to whatever your political affiliation. Every newscast is meant that way peddling whatever whatever story they want to sell you that creates negatively and discord. They're selling to and don't think that one's above the other jug. Yes Baby Tampax give you a million dollars. Would you do this? Shack consider using the product. Unlike some of your -dorsements I I remember actually work actually using it. This is John Caper Tampa all. Should I get the music out some days? I have a busy schedule award winning national show and the podcast were shack and I may be feeling a little out of sorts and Tampax. Let's be free horseback riding at lunch picnic in the Park Berg Tampax. That's a chef. We got we got three calls off people. They're really upset through Tampax. Joe Really weren't expected the other story from the world of NBA. This week was Rudy Gobert Donovan. Mitchell apparently have kind of patched up whatever beef or whatever Discomfort between between number words. You'll be because of the because bear was clowning. No no no. We do not know that we do not know that you could get that and best. Guess what when they do testing when we do get testing. We're GONNA find out. I'll call right now shack. I'll wash a wash. Whatever truck do you want if I'm wrong on this we're gonNA find out that? Triple the people in this country had it or have it currently than we ever thought. Because it's it's not something that's like people under fifty are not really being affected. So we're GONNA find out that these numbers we don't know where he got it. We don't know that he gave it to anybody. Because if if Rudy Gobert had it he could have gotten it in a hotel the Donovan Mitchell. Got It at a restaurant that they all got it at a bus that they all traveled in A. You don't know where he got it charter. You're right but do you still think it was irresponsible questionable and Michael? No question that serious dog. You said we did. He gave it to him. And that's B S Dot K. He may not have given it to work. Well then do it responsibly. And nobody's arguing that it's not irresponsible. He was clowning around and probably should thought differently of it. He did not mean any harm. He was not trying to incite anything. For God's sakes we are as a nation. We really are. We are just the biggest bunch of wissies I swear to you. I guess my question is is this. Go bears legacy now. Is he the guy that caused the NBA shutdown? And because I people saying that he gave very little about Rudy Gobert before corona virus. Now he's like. Oh what did you just say if it bleeds it as yeah and then how come? Utah News. Discretion like the Lakers like member Laker player to player got. You don't know who those players drew me and it's because they didn't go. Bear was goofy like as soon as it broke it was like. Oh my gosh. So it's just it's a it's a a crazy news is we're on this yes Did you want to address the cowboys situation with Mr O.`Neil the cowboys fan? You didn't see what happened. Big Boy Dak got DAX house. Dax House is responsible deck. Threw a party over the weekend photo. Show a minimum of twenty five to thirty guests. Walker in a social distancing thing when you're not supposed to have more than wall whoa. Yeah what talk. Show three ways to manipulate the mind detective John Kincaid skew as your commanding officer. Yes are you sure it was this weekend? Yes you sure yes we can tell by the food delivered the catering we we can tell. They know where it was catered by Shack. Will the catering firm could be lying to wait a minute into catering? People are now coming up with the conspiracy. Forgive stop it with your cowboys crap series. Because I want to be known NO SHOCK. They already know. Let's say another guy on the street and had a party and the catering and delivered to his house. Would they be telling? Everybody knows he's not a Dallas Cowboy Fan Point. There are videos from inside the food. Mama I can shoot a video of us in this thing right now okay and hold it and hold it and then and then and then posted ten days later look at me and John was talking about a my closet and people will believe it not been closet close right now look I yep out so vacuous cleaner. I'M NOT GONNA I'm GONNA help you. And then and then the closet and then another thing I can say is how do you how you know. He didn't have those people tested fil. So I'll just ask John. Could everybody three days in advance submit a sample? Come on ridiculous. Why when they banged on the door. Dak Prescott opened up. We got complaints of a party other more than ten people. Here Know Officer. There are ten people here not at all. They showed the food spread. You can see it online. You can view it. There's like piles of steaks and chicken Alva- party again. It's not for ten people. Just say no. It's not not unless people were having three stakes invited. Ten people was maybe two states. Maybe it was dot. Com was question is how do you know it's real coaches because somebody already shack already? He already commented on it that it was always a Harrity. Said it was real and he said there were people there so then the food spread people. Bso High Man. Much much like when he's serving the secondary. Maybe a little over ten checks in Dacca Jack. Look at look at you holding players accountable. Sound believe okay but of course there was a story because you're not you're sheltering inflation throw parties sheltering story because his Dak Prescott and Prescott. That's also he's ignoring by the way deck. Scott who who would have you got fifteen kids what would it because he's not in the NBA and the NFL Detroit Rolls. Philip rivers. Got Nine now so he closed. He was married high school and he's still married to the same woman and I got about nine people over here. You really do. Oh Yeah you dizzy. Guess what though that is family? That does not apply. They're not people coming into your house guests. It doesn't apply there's no people live their job big house. He's got to get a thirty million dollar contract. Maybe look that way. Oh He's not getting a thirty million. Looks like it. Looks like the cowboys are going to say. You know what he says. You guys haven't given me my contracts not showing up. I'm not GONNA do any work I'm not going to do. I'm not going to study the playbook or anything. He's out in the corner. He's great he's being asked to work out at home. Be Dog and get paid. Two hundred and thirty five bucks a day to do it and to studying. The all I gotTa say is run me my money. He's not in any danger at home money except except he trips over a caterer for his next big bash. There's no danger to him at home. Jerry Jones Dallas cowboys will pay that man pipe ones from the Stern Tang. Jianhua the Strip club real story though photos to talk about the Hartson went set. A party has anyone. Has Anyone challenged you on the all in challenge? It have you okay. So what whatever What are you GonNa do for that? Good friend Gary V. I was me. Oh Yeah also. Eating has been upgraded by the host now includes unlimited minutes. Ooh You got a house okay and I was just reading so He challenged me know much. 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Which you guys prison for most great for me. then yeah you know it's it's it's crazy times right now But I'm I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to that moment. Are you GONNA do family? I know you're not allowed to say party party. Where are you going to do a close family gathering in the house? Mom Dad Brother House and I'm I'm not sure whether happy I'll tell. Ya has some crawfish and have stuff and then I get get it get me there for sure withdrawal of who they're Jalen you've been through it all you've been on top of the mountain. You've been where you've been in a in a in a bloody battle on the mountain. You're a guy who's who survived and thrived. How excited are you for the next challenge I'm just I'm just blessed to to you know overcome the things that I you know how to deal with and and do I am now. You know it's been a heck of a journey for me and my always been a relentless competitor and always had a drive within myself. You know to to be the best. I can be For me you know I'm never I'm never satisfied You know I think enough is enough. And there's there's like a unique thrilled and not being satisfied so keeps me going I'm looking forward to see what's next. How I've never really heard you talk about this. But we all know your situation you get hurt. The other guy steps in hydrogen. How does that prepare you mentally for what's going to happen in the professional world? Let me say first hand. They don't really care. Just keep down. I'm not supposed to say that. No really care about. How did that prepare you? Being on top like Johnson. And then when you get hurt back life you don't exist. Yeah I UNDERSTAND. Things happening I I think I'm stronger and wiser from everything that I had to go through You Know I. It taught me so much valuable lessons to Appreciate every moment Take advantage of every moment You know just continue to work myself. you know it's it's it's probably a long way. Jalen plan for Nick Saban and then being able to play for Lincoln Riley. Can you tell us the ways that those two great minds are alike and more importantly I want to know is how is their approach? Different You know. I think they have different Approach is and what they do. At times. I think the biggest thing is they're they're both. They're both great coaches championship. Win Coaches on a lot of success and produced a lot of a great talent For me to you know to just to submit myself as one of those You know great players to play for both of them on that especially you know not many players can say that they've been coached those guys and and you've had success with both of them so cool. How'd you please saving? I mean he's just such a brilliant coach and he's had so much success is that like a daily compe- competition with yourself just to make sure that you keep the guy pleased. I wasn't really worry about pleasing. Whereabout plays a myself. I had a standard for myself He is a tough coach And talk about their standard us. He instilled a lot of stuff in me. And I learned so much from But you know I think I think I chose to go to the university because men were so alike Competitive Nation we had You know you never worried about Jalen not working Not leading the guy's not impacting the guys in a positive light. You know he'd never worried about those things so He's been a great Florence. Is it true that you guys have to go through an interview process with NFL teams and if so what was that like? Yeah You know I it's different now with You know obviously the the the virus going on and limitations we have within the world right now but now I've been doing a lot of zone calls and talking to guys On facetime communicate that way knows counter. Being you know deal where I'm going on there talking toil in having regular conversations you know as if I'm in the presence Just being myself answering these questions and kind of share knowledge learning. I'm always learning and Expressing on what I know is just talking Bala talking just talking in general. Hey Jalen get that Serbia. Where'd you get that first? Big signing bonus. Check what you're going by Mama to know what you're going by Mama Bins Ring Bracelet. Something practical household. I even thought about it. I I asked my mom She said you know I. I said You'd think I'd get you something. She said She said I don't know. I said you might get something but I'm GonNa get something. I don't know who who who who I have. No idea We'll get him to get a convertible with the place. Jay Mama I heard you got a big Mercedes and some to of you are sure. Did I sure genuine genuine. He's got he's got like fifteen twenty cars. Well no but. When he first signed a deal he went straight to dealership. Because you didn't know about fico take care of my mom and dad it was on the army base with Mercedes. Benzes Jaylen is smart. Jalen is attended classes. I'm sure he understands that. Jaylen if you make a million dollars they're gonNA take taxes out of that. You do understand the question. The question is what you're GONNA do Mama. I check what you're GONNA do check coming in but what you're GONNA do for Mama Llamas own. That is a great very good. I got one question for you. Had A lot of African American quarterbacks come before you got Lamar Jackson succeeding in a League Shawn Watson Succeeding Cam Newton? Who's been in? Mvp and I know you go through a questionnaire and wanted to question they always ask is hey quote unquote can you play another position With all those guys being so successful that have come before you do you ever get. Do you ever wonder why question is always asked you get tired of that question? Why don't people just see you as the quarterback that you are Fortunately it's been a norm Over the years you know I I did ask her the court and so you know Whenever comes up and it actually hasn't come up much Actually you know when you're talking about the people matter. coaches teams. That question hasn't come up at all. We talk about media. Maybe that's the thing where they may ask that Just because I guess but You know I'm a quarterback among one championship was planning a position I've talked to my dad to know that that's kind of knew I was happy to see jail and your name Potentially being tied to my Philadelphia Eagles Shack. It doesn't look like the Dallas Cowboys are shopping in the jalen hurts. I'll I'd say that's a win for May were German say Congratulations Good luck to you. And Your family love your brother and we wish you well and we will be seeing your brother and I'm happy for you said You. GotTa Christopher you say Oh no no. I got a lot of time on my hands. You know the cartoon. You're you know I. It's a few competitors That that I've grown look up to and admire. You know what I'm saying. I got a few quarterbacks in league and played in the past that I look up to the only got a Lotta respect for The Guy in the guy. Kobe burn and I got to meet him. Two years ago Became known Alabama. I spoke to the team. And you know run-up I really never you know I I guess I didn't understand The you know the the kind of the pregnancy brought And the dynamic different let bought two sports in General Reno talked about his competitive nature and His approach is attention to detail and everything he did. I mean I I feel like he's the perfect balance of hard work and guy giving ability relentless the toughness and discipline had like you know more about it than not abuse I wanted to ask. I wanted to ask you about Just just just tell me about him. I mean he was one of those. So you know for us. Athletes basic practices three hours. He was a guy that was going to go by five. He was a guy that was going to study. The so-called best steel always moves hughes the guy that was going to look at the best. And say okay. You're the best. Well I think I'm just good. I'm coming to take your spot watch this. He was the guy that was always gonNA fight you. He was a guy that I would look up in the stands and say okay magic. Johnson's the best like a player. Now for law so it was a guy that really did work. It wasn't you. Yes he worked in the overworked like he was. He was basketball family in basketball. She see me. I'm I'm basketball family. Business then fun than back. The basketball his life was basketball. Family wife daughters and back to basketball and sometimes You know they have people like that. But I'm I. I was guy that I knew mentally. I was going to ask anyway so I didn't really have to go to basketball. But you know he was a guy you know that that's his life and that's why you know you know all the accomplishments that he's accomplished because he was strictly basketball basketball and I met him when he was seventeen and he had attitude to seventeen. He kept the same attitude and when it was all said and done no. He's up there in in the lego stadium with two jobs but everything that you say was correct and I was there for you know the first man that's incredible. Jalen you You get a big night ahead of you in a week or so and and a very bright future and we wish all the best man. Yup Love your brother. Yes Sir Hi Good Luck Jalen Bradman. Remember Mama wants to black on black bands with. That's the right attitude. That's a good businessman. All right Jalen congrats man. Hey if you're anything like US you've been listening to podcasts. And you've been listening to music during your quarantine period. 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Show time on that one alkyl Shannon because yes he's panic you've got to do anything to try to secure himself so in the process of that he's pushing you down that's why you come up from behind you grabbed the back and you stroke your way back to their awesome entertainment themselves. Lebron had to save Carmelo. Because you knew Carmelo wasn't GonNa get an assist purpose. They write our. You know the people who watch that show really enjoy it. That's great. That's unbelievable doing the show for us at this point very well maybe thanks to Marvin. Energy mail is from Youtube. Show called Dallas Cowboys. Report guys breaking down some upcoming draft picks and he has a great slip so I don't view door set as a randall. Cobb replacement what I view as a Devon Smith upgrade and they took some similar boxes for early round pick pick. He's a well. At least he's got it out early in the round that's GonNa stop denying. Call thanks thanks to Conard our email from this one. 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I work from home as it is with the Ross Tucker football podcast and all my podcasts and the NFL went full speed ahead with free agency the NFL doing the same thing with the draft so for me. Nfl Guy is a football guy. It really hasn't changed much. I think it will start to change a little bit more after the draft. Although even then they're gonNA have schedule released a couple of weeks after that so it hasn't affected me professionally that much. It's just been more personal stuff. Actually I mean you've you've worked out of the home and now so many people figuring out how to do that so for you. It's seamless yes. I kinda laugh with all these teams that are like freaking out about how they're going to draft players from home like. Oh my gosh. I don't know dude texts Goodell who you WANNA draft you. You know I get it. It's a very competitive industry. They realized that jobs are on the line. They're creatures of comfort and have like a lot of people are there to change. Yeah I I get it but still like let's not make that much out of it. You're you're I mean sixty years ago. Right they would look at the newspaper for the Walter Camp. All American team like that seller there from Yale. Let's trap him. I mean like it's not that big a deal one of the things. Ross when you if I was to say to you right now the top quarterbacks in the draft if I gave you said okay. There's a thousand dollars on the line. You tell me the first four quarterbacks to come off the board and in order that they will be drafted. Would that be something? You'd think you'd be talking taking away the money on. I pretty good about it actually. Yeah I'd go. I'd go number one number two number three Justin Herbert number four Jordan love. I feel pretty good about that. I just the only the only hesitation I have. There is Herbert or two. And I've definitely one loves definitely four H. Just Herbert or truly what? The Miami Dolphins do at five. And I've sensed that on the Ross Tucker football podcast. I've sensed that there is some that I would think your indecision there comes from. The fact is you don't know who's going to jump. Who in the draft right? The Guy John. I don't think that anybody is going to trade up to three with the Detroit lions. I think the injury and durability concerns to Are such that. I believe that the Miami Dolphins GonNa stay there at five and if the CHARGERS WANNA move up from six to three to take two then more power to 'em I don't think they're going to. I think the dolphins are happy to stay at five draft to I think. The chargers are happy to stay at six in draft. Justin Herbert Detroit Lion. They'RE GONNA have to make a selection at three even though they desperately we'd rather trade down to five or six and still there guy. Yeah I have a question about the Patriots because the Patriots are arguably one of the strangest positions. We've seen them in a long shot. No Brady I mean they don't have till twenty three. They don't have any picks in the second round thing. What are the Patriots GonNa GonNa do with in this one I? There are some speculation that maybe they would take like Jordan love if he was there at twenty three because of how physically gifted he is. I just don't see it. He just does not fit the Patriot mold with some of his decision making last year at Utah State. I called a couple of games for CBS sports network. The week after Jordan love and Utah State played a team and three picks against wake. Forest should have been two or three more scored seven points against Air Force. Seven points against Air Force. So I I. I just don't see the Patriots doing that you know. They took Jarret Stidham from Auburn in the fourth round last year. He did some really positive things. I tend to think that they want to see what he has before they would use a first round. Pick like that to get another quarterback. I didn't WanNa see if you can do it or not. Okay let's say. They went into a season with stem. And I'm not saying that Bill Bill Check whatever tank. But would you be looking at that as you're willing to take it on the Chin for one year because there are some quarterbacks and next year's draft we could be interested in if we're really really bad because the bills are going to be really really good the jets are going to be? I would think better. And then maybe the Patriots take it on the Chin for year and then and then make fools of all of us so I think it's hard to imagine them still even the way you describe John. Not Winning six. Maybe seven games and still being able to let them not have a top five. Pick okay I you know. I don't discount what you're saying but I just think it'd be tough to imagine them. Having the two three four wins to get a Trevor Lawrence or Justin field. I just don't you know they're gonNA coach to win. They're gonNA play to win. And I think ballot check and mcdaniels. Those guys are smart enough that they'll be able to get six seven. Maybe eight wind at a Jarrett Stidham. So I don't think that it would be a tank situation. That thought has certainly crossed my mind but I just think I just think that they'd have a tough time. Actually having a top five pick. Is it too early for Detroit? The start thinking about life beyond Matthew Stafford at a p. Yeah I think it is. I understand what you just said but Stafford's really good and if you think about the way he was playing last year before he got hurt I mean he was playing about as well as he has in a long time he was really the only guy carrying that offense so I I don't think that they are and he's actually been really healthy for a while even though earlier on in his career he was injury prone. I mean he's thirty two years old right. Yeah nowadays you know you think he's got eight years left. I mean even if you just say these guys played other forty now. That's eight more years for Matthew Stafford to me. He is the least of their issues. He's he lives around the corner here in Atlanta from us and we'll see them out in about Occasionally him and his beautiful family. And I'm hoping Ross he get somewhere. I'm hoping that he gets a chance. They couldn't move from him this year but if Detroit wanted to move on from after this year they could financially the contract could be moved. I would love to see him get somewhere else. Give some someone like Bill Bell. Check get a chance to work with Matthew Stafford. That'd be trouble for the rest of the NFL. Well you know. This is the last year for Patricia. And Bob Quinn there on the hot seat. Martha Ford the owner made it. Very clear that playoff contention or bust so they brought in a new head coach and the new GM especially if they have a really bad year right and they're drafting high rebuilt you know. It's not outside the realm of possibility that maybe they would make matthew available for trade and do a total reset. Yeah I WANNA know his. Probably the cornyist draft question. But it's always the one that I'm interested in. Who are your hidden gems on the board? The sheriff thing. Everybody's got a couple of people that are big on. I've seen some people talk about Jacobsen as a possible pickup for somebody that that no one's looking out for do you have anybody else on your radar. I'm knowing the other way I'm going with the guy that beat out Jacob decent. I'm Rome with Jake from you. Go you know I met him at the Army Bowl which I call for. Nbc every year. These single most impressive kid. I've met in six years of the Army Bill. I mean from day one. He was the leader of the leaders. I mean these are the best players in the country. These are the guys that you know. They're all captains of their team does first day. He said all right guys. Let's get lined up for stretching. I mean he's just that dude and I think that that matters in the NFL. He's very very bright people. I mean there's a reason right why he'd beat out Jacob decent adjusting fields. I mean it's not like a Georgia. They're not trying to win. Football game. Sure it's not like you know like Oh you know what let's just play from because he's a he's a nice kid he. They felt like he was better and would help them win more games. He won a lot of games at Georgia. I think guys like that make it in the NFL. And I think the floor for him in my mind is a high end backup like Hoyer or a Patrick and I think he might be a little better than I think you might be able to be a solid starter. But the four for him is a high end backup. And if so if that's the case people should take 'em you know decently high. I would hate to do your taxes. How many W I mean how many W. Twos? W4's do you have all over the world of football? I mean he's all along all of it. It's funny that you say that John. Because I was working on that recently between ten ninety nine and W two s over under over under is eight and a half all going down. Yeah rush you are one of the hardest working guys out there. You're grew up talking about this because if somebody's listening to get rid of talking about this bottom line here at my daughter's need to everybody needs to listen to the Ross Tucker football podcast or the money by. Don't be worried about my job. It passes. I need those jobs. I like both. I like the garden. You've for an audit. I like both of those by the way that is excellent. Thank you Ross. Ross love talking to Ross. Tucker always one of my favorites areas smart man. He's very very smart. Ways an Ivy League and his show by here on podcast. One gotTa Love Ross. Tucker Football podcast. I love Ross Tiger. Full podcast festival. That is my. That is my favorite. That's very current that is a senior rotate good. And it's a gritting your rotation by the way your weekly podcast. I sample Corolla but I don't like I don't listen to fol. Does launch always will sample Adam and his crew. Enjoy that Love Ross Tucker's football podcast. very much a part of that I actually I actually will also find radio shows that I like like I'll find like a sample stuff from like a Colin cowherd things like Oh sure yes in some way exactly you guys go way back to the show for five years. That's right now. Here's the benefit for us having Ross on the show. What's that when we go to bed online? Oh Yeah you can bet on the NFL draft. See that's great. Yes so now here everything. Ross just told you Ross just gave you the answers to the test rosters gave you some money too so no because there's no NBA yet. No Nhl Yet. No MLB yet slot. But it looks like there's there's movement towards a world is settling. Maybe that's great. Great Days Glenn Ross. 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Put the phone down for the game and I see you know how to handle that. Like to turn that phone over and just make your hands trump smash look. I guess what I look at. Someone's going to blow the whistle. Blow that up later and see who they are. Yes they are. That woman's deformed kid be real Kepi all right all right here. We go story number one from my amazing wife. Shannon investigators believe they've caught the woman who posed as an x-rated Easter bunny. An allegedly delivered four hundred plastic eggs inside neighbors mailboxes filled with pornographic images and goldfish crackers. Goldfish Arden. She was arrested on. Eleven counts of distributing obscene material and violating the stay at home order black crime or white crime. Who was the lady that was just going to black girls get naked and I WANNA put on get them back hot. So It'd be sweating Waco saying white. I'm saying why dogs because there's a key in this question. Okay well the goldfish crackers. Yes that's a lion whiter than a white people going into a lot of African American homes and having the mom. Oh kids goldfish crackers. Ainhoa sister dressing up in no bunny. Suit your mind concern. That's a point for everybody. Lady White Lady all right story two came to us from Kevin Officers with the Beverly Hills. Police Department made a bust involving one of the most in demand items in the Corona Virus Pandemic. They discovered one hundred and ninety two rolls inside a stolen. Suv they also recovered a gun while searching the vehicle did the perpetrator who had one hundred ninety two rolls of toilet paper and a stolen SUV White Guy or Black Guy Bravo shacks black guy. John Saying White Guy beat dog also saying White Guy. The point here goes to Shaquille. O'neal Guy Johnson. A wake-up overweight guy and Beverly Hills at one hundred zero. You're you're right. Thank you Sir for Your Service Way Ahead. One hundred and some things that totally by the way did you see the other day. The News van got stolen in Atlanta unknowable. Young lady the news reported was Kayla. Here's the best part about is another station. Broke the story first single. If you're not with that station yeah well probably not all right story number. Three came to us from Jessica. Okay in Oregon man through a firework at a woman at a local gas station early Sunday morning and when it went off it set several u hauls on fire and a man who was siphoning. Gas Man was last seen fleeing the scene on fire. He was later caught and charged with criminal mischief and second degree reckless burning and good over two months communism. We'll go with the WAGGA okay John's also saying White Guy beat Alexander White Guy. Going to be a point for everyone. That was a white Guy Fireworks Dylan Thomas Hannah Waterman Russell fireworks about this and I did see this before last fourth of July a It is mostly eighty times eighty percent of the time. It is likely that the person will be a white male that comes with an injury due to fireworks to an emergency room. Jason Pierre Paul that well. We're not counting the organ. Only brothers and Organ Trail Blazers. It order work for Nike Tonight. I missed viewing him all right. The next story started before came from Kevin a nineteen year. Old Man is charged with attempting to rob a Riverside California bank with a twist after handing the teller of the robbery note. He then waited to receive the money in the bank lobby wall consuming and adult beverage so he sat and had a drink giving employees enough time to call nine one one. He was booked on suspicion of attempted robbery. So who is in the middle of robbing a bank and then stopped for a drink? White Guy or black worker won't believe you to move. Oh Wow everybody's saying black over here is white guy. That's GONNA be John's holding up the Hennessy. This is from the scene and you should probably put it down though. 'cause walk point for Shaquille O'Neal a white guy. I was a white guy at that one because black people crazy stoop down behind toby. We know we get called. We're going to jail Romo no way. It was a big Gulp and I thought it had to be ago all right story. Number five also came from Jessica. A Washington man was arrested. Sunday after leading troopers on a high speed chase. Man Hit two cars and failed to stop both times when they caught up and looked in his window. Going one hundred nine miles an hour. There was a pit bull sitting on his lap. When he was finally stopped he said quote. He was trying to teach the dog how to drive for reckless endangerment hit and run. Washington Man Washington man. I'M GONNA go white pimple. On his lap hundred nine miles an hour shacks as White Guy Johnson. Black White Guy. John Teaching of drought type to drive. Well you don't even let them in the House and there you go and you should figure out that that was that was like God man. She all right story number. You put a blogger. I do know that's why I said she. Janacek has five. I got three John us to know all right story number six A. Michigan man was caught by the cops as he allegedly urinated on a police car in Florida. An officer's apparently the cops on before he had ever even finished. Amanda was quote uncooperative with questioning and pleaded not guilty to disorderly conduct. You gotta go go to move. Oh Cameras Adler I guess. Mobile Jackson Black Guy Beat all John both saying White Guy. This was David Marcel. Louis Johnson Black as a black athletes got through the first two names night before ought to Johnson. Came over. And Go back to my deal in your story. Number seven came from a man scape for the less for question. I guess so. A twenty nine year old. California woman was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon after she rammed into another woman's car at the Wiener Schnitzel drive through. What is that? What the Hell is Swedish? Hutton Oakland okay. Well she was at the Wiener. She had a real big dog shack. You're sure they do the woman in front of her. Got Out of the car to confront and then headed dive out of the way as the woman charged at her with there with her car and almost hits her so the altercation at the Venus Schnitzel drive-thru black lady or White Lady. Okay I've got white white Shaquille O'Neal every time I went to Winston never seen a white person really acapella chili dogs. I want that night. Blood blood totally bit. Bit Odom hotdogs banging like okay. Well this was a twenty nine year old August Brown heard home. I don't know what's funny is when I think roadway think white people usually yes white ball. Now hold on. I think White People Altercation. I think wipe their Weiner still at the Venus. That's why really white people all right more stories here in black crime or white crime story number eight. A man in Kansas was arrested for driving stolen. Suv to bail out his brother who had been jailed hours earlier for stealing a separate SUV. He was he was the first sibling arrested for driving a stolen trailblazer with a suspended license. Our late hours later his younger brother was arrested. After leading deputies on a short chase in a stolen Colorado first of all you guys the worst. It's a white guy. Kansas and no brothers in Kansas doing that. Larry Well there you go. Everybody's votes are in. This was Eric Dean mccracken. Why that's thirty six year old white guy tension? Hey maybe no nobody say Eric. I thought it was saying his mccray. His brother's name is Phil tracking suit. I'm I'm I'm not even paying attention to you guys. You have to clues she telling you I keep telling you as a detective the May close not always going to solve true Phil mccracken last couple here story number nine Kansas City man. Okay riding in a car with police. He they found drugs in two handguns so he was taken in for questioning. Him asked him about his address. He leaned side of his of his chair. And Release the loud fart before answering. Barrage of farts continued until the officer had to end the interview and the man was released he was pulled over two months later and they found cracking a stolen gun this car so he was again arrested. Black Guy White Guy. Hey everybody everybody seems to be going brother here This was shown on Sykes Junior. All right last question ever heard of no child left behind will. Three women apparently didn't that concept in August when they were caught on camera allegedly stealing a baby stroller from New Jersey store only to be busted after one of them forgot the child inside. The store had to return to come pick up their kid after they stole a baby. Stroller black women or white women. I think women dog Sam Black Lady. I just WANNA be different all right. Well you know since I don't know how that's going to be point for everybody except the dog as white women so there you go black crime John for ten cheat for once. I never see John. You know what My uncle bill with US lovely day is going to be. Every time I went for the rest of the game show. I'm not changing dead. It in on a great song. And that's going to be my song because you know even we're in quarantine I get to see. My best friends are here. So I'm having a lovely day. I love you guys and we really do want to get back to normal. But we'll get back there. Let's way runaway. Actually I don't you don't want to go back to normal. First Time. He's been able to have a break in his life but guess what though is that they do the NBA playoffs. He'll be working in the summer won't no I won't won't you quit? I'm like hormone president. Can't tell me to do what I want to thank you what you want to swap deal. Let's go job when away. Capena do Do Look at you. Thanks. Let's number PODCASTS. 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