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HOUR 1: Randy Moss, Jerry Bailey, Pat Mckenna, Gary West

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HOUR 1: Randy Moss, Jerry Bailey, Pat Mckenna, Gary West

"Sirius X._M.. Ports presents with Steve Raising becoming interviews. This is who stupid from mammoth Mark Oche Avoid New Jersey the morning very good Friday weekend preview at the raises serious to nineteen exempt to a one sports nine sixty four on Sirius X._M.. Online at our website to Steve Dot COM and one of the beauties of uh-huh of being on site. You never know who's going to walk through the door. Bill Anderson just walked through the WHO's now the track the track super but of course longtime longtime trainer and had that Oh my gosh it was that good sprinter who was the good sprinter that he add late in his training career. I'll think of it as we talk I could have written him and I wouldn't know and the voices the next voice you here as they say Jerry Bailey Hall of Famer Randy Moss. It's not hall of Famer all Famer like six categories. You're very flexible man. It's nice to be able to walk into a room. Hey there steve big. Hey you WANNA come on sure I do. I say no to Jerry Bailey already. Moss is live in front of me RANCO. Hey get in here because the Sean Right. Let's do it. It's just that simple. We WanNA talk about the three year old seen WanNa talk about Haskell however the biggest story a couple of stories obviously going on but the heat situation right now monmouth park standing alone for Saturday racing after Saratoga late yesterday afternoon and we will talk to Pat McKenna at Saratoga shortly naira but Delaware Laurel Parks Finger Lakes Alice so right now woodbine and mammoth the only racetracks on the eastern Seaboard Award and Toronto not exactly the eastern seaboard by the only one scheduled to run Jerry your thoughts. You've been involved in hot wetter racing till I wrote here in seventy eight seventy nine over forty years ago and we were talking earlier this morning to some old timers climbers and the consensus was oh. It was really hot back then and we ran so we've had hot summers before. I don't know what the ultimate high temperatures going to be but I wrote here at Monmouth when it was really hot days he's got through. Some horses are affected by some aren't hopefully we'll get through this race day without any any heat issues with horses but certainly I think you're right. All is will be on Monmouth Park you protocol Dir right for for seven speed and the summer July in south Florida's brutally hot it sits ninety and seventy percent humidity eight o'clock in the morning and they they seem to do it. You cool your horses down you pay them off and cooling downpour they get over here and as it set some horses aren't affected all Sundar. We'll see we were just talking to to Jimmy Barnes Bob Efforts assistant and he said you remember point given's Haskell. He said it was ah it was unbelievably hot in two thousand does I. I didn't remember it being that you know but Jimmy says he was hotter than it's supposed to be on Saturday and Baffert Stevens where the only hot ones that was that was a whole big hot mess but I think with with the horses I mean we're all little uneasy. Obviously I mean the last thing you WanNa see is worse have a heat stroke and especially on our air but you don't want to see it in any situation Russian so it's it's it's a dicey kind of situation scary to watch horse. Drop down watering-down hosing down and sometimes you get up and go down again you think they had a heart attack and they they're ultimately okay through it but it's it's. It's a concern you talked about calder. I mean I spent many a summer in Beaujeux city. Louisiana was unbelievably hot and humid. I spent four or five summers Lonestar Park when they would run on Saturday afternoon and Sunday afternoon when it was one hundred degrees but the difference there as opposed to hear it monmouth. It's an acclamation sort of thing I mean in horses are in the heat and humidity on a daily basis they get they adjust to it when it's been in the seventies like you get here on the Jersey shore or a lot of times you know nice cool mornings and then all of a sudden you get hit with ninety. Five degrees in the horses aren't really adjusted to it and acclimated to it. That's where you start to see the problems every spring when you when you're at a racetrack and it's like sixties and seventies and all of a sudden the first heat wave comes. That's when you typically sea. The horses have a lot of problems with heat stroke because they're they haven't adjusting. We also have two year olds on the grounds and things and not that there's a lot of two year old racing schedule tomorrow but you got horses. You may not even know that are non sweaters. There's that haven't been you know basically had a setting like this. Those horses are susceptible to prostration as well. I mean there's there's a lot of things and then I you know we're focused on the horses. Of course we should talk about the climate that the game is is under but there's also the patrons for thirty five forty thousand patrons and I can think back to Saratoga about ten years ago when we canceled at Saratoga and I was doing the Carolina Barbecue patrons. E._M._T.'s were medic. I mean they were people were dropping left and right from the it's not only a horse issue. You're right but people if they have enough sense to hydrate hydrate before they get to certain point but a lot of them don't and they do have they do have issues yeah. Some of them are hydrating with the wrong with the fluids yeah. That's the other issue exactly which doesn't dehydrate worse. I mean but there's obviously a lot the precautions that'll be taken. I mean I was talking to Rick Sacco yesterday morning. <hes> who's the racing manager for the Brunetti and King for a day and of course his brother Greg trains go via and he said they'll send their their horse over Saturday with <hes> the groom will have a bucket ice water are in sponge and all the way to the paddock. There'll be sponging the horse down with cold water. They'll give him you know sponge baths with cold water while he's into pat or you know and then there's water hoses obviously all around the racetrack everywhere so they're taking all the precautions that they can fan but we've got an email from Kathy Pisano D._M._v. vet here and there's a whole laundry list of precautions. They're taking they have missing fans. They have to vets in the paddock. They have hoses position along the way a trag nice to and fro for the horses ice buckets. There's a lot they have a water truck that has ice and cooling mechanisms on it for these horses. That'll follow him so nice. They're prepared but you're exactly right. I mean the climate aamot that the sport is in right now after what happened at Santa Anita <hes> over the over the winter and spring you know I mean I I you can make you can make a case that all of these racetracks that are closing down. This weekend might be running if it weren't born for that. I must say that's a bad thing. The increased emphasis on horse safety is maybe a lot of people would say overdue but I think it's got a lot to do with we'll table that I'm going to hear from John Heinz and indoor dentist raisin as the morning progresses regresses and this may be a decision if there's going to be a decision if they if they have to make one to postpone and not run. Tomorrow probably won't come into later this afternoon so we're not gonNA just we're just pontificating. Let's turn to the three year old scene and race that the more you look at it the more compelling it is particularly because we actually have six sources in this Haskell that all wanna be in essentially the same couple of places and then there's they'll romance <hes> running late what Jerry you're on the favourite. You're on maximum security out seven whole. How do you approach it? The horse has rated off early speed before in his career. We talked about this in the Florida Derby because we thought maybe he would rate that day but he was just gifted the lead so it didn't materialize he's got the perfect post for Lewis says his jockey to sit just off the early pace on the inside of them. If he chooses he'd probably be three wide on both turns earns if he chooses to do that which I don't think it's a terrible thing for him but the other speed could be number one king for a day who beat him in the Pegasus set just off of NAB with the post change I would expecting day to be in front of maximum security. You also have Jovi. That's got speed but after talking to their connections this morning it seems like they would be satisfied to be second flight but he's going to be close the horses from parks. It's hard to really get a line on what quality is their speed. They both have it and what is their intention to. They you want to use it early if they do want to use it that's two more that you could throw in the speed mix and then baffert towards although mutual cousteau has speed he probably won't use it because just an even his last race he set forth but no more than lengthened to links the lead again three wide both turns so I think you'll find him off the pace so you got spun to run who's got a little speed but he's got blinkers on and he's got Palko Lopez on who knows nothing but Gogo. You've got Bethlehem road who two races back at parks ran one of the ten fastest opening quarter miles in the last ten years at parks and one of my own seventy years and he's three or three when he makes the early lead and they'll how derby got got off to a little bit of a poor starts scramble big bumped and wound up backing up so you think they have to go with him and that's Kinda thrown some of the other guys for a loop like Greg Soko Joe via he expects both those horses to to be sent to go. He doesn't want get caught in a speed duel for jovis very fast doors and if he breaks sharply it's going to be tough to get him back and he even thinks sacco even told us and we disagree. He even thinks that they may go to the lead with maximum security. I know I don't see it unless he catches a flyer leaving the gate and he's neck confront when they hit the ground the first time I think personally John Velazquez King for a day at Monmouth Park coming. He's not going to give the inside no. He's going to use his feet. Johnny Johnny goes forward so he's a position writer first of all so he's going to use as the speed of King for day which he has and let them run to the first turn so I think he's actually going to be in front going into the first turn. We've got a dollar bit Jerry and he thinks anything's Bethlehem road will be in front. I don't I think John Velazquez on Todd pletcher skiing for a day we'll be in front but we're looking in a twenty two in change well for order mile and this is this is Mama's though this is a track where this track has a tendency not the Kerry speed but it just it seems that horses we were talking about this earlier in the week about baffert and and his eight winners and any number of times he is brought horses here that ended up turning out to be middle distance types that we're able to force a prime example. He was started here they have it's basically sprinter. He went back in one. The kings Bishop Saratoga Travers Day but you're right. Horses can carry their speed. I think at mom if we're at other places they may not given this race scenario ever fast is the bed he may not be good enough but at eight to one or ten to one given the way the racist GonNa shape `Bout pace-wise in my opinion he's the he's certainly certainly the kind of horse that you can cleverly position at underneath and feather you know the the logical is above looking for him to at at worse clunk up for a for a decent check yeah because speed suicidal paces are not made by to speed horses in the race. They're just not sometimes even three because they'll run quick to the first turn and then somewhere as he turned on the backside access to the far turn. They'll slow the pace down because they really these writers realized how we can't keep going this fast. It's the second and third flight speed horses that make a toxic pace throughout the race and you have that in here because horses even if the front and horses are given a breather down on the backside. You're going to have horses like Jovi. If he's outrun early. He's going to pick up the pace mutual guzzo. He's going to put pressure on as you leave the middle of the backside going into the far turn. They're going to keep the temple hot so none of them get a breather exactly. It's going to be a torrid pace throughout the race so you don't need you. Don't need all front end. Doors is now oppressors. It's the second third flights pick up the pace when it normally might slow down halfway through the race maximum securities had six lifetime starts. He's been on the lead in five five of them. <hes> the race that he wasn't on the sprint races sprint race against cheap forces at Gulfstream Park. You can look at that and say okay well that shows he can sit off the pace but it doesn't always work that way. I mean he may not realize is maximum. Security Horse may not realize that it's okay to sit off the pace we by the way we forgot. We forgot the most most absolutely typical baffert sprint type one this race Roman ruler. You wrote them right yeah. That's pretty funny. How many times did you win this twice? I believe he doesn't know I don't know always eighty. Just always maybe technology technology twice I don. I never know I wanNA talk three year olds and get your I wanna get picks. I WANNA get your thoughts about who when we convene at Gulfstream January for the eclipse three-year-old champions get into being but but a quick see hero he was pretty special a quick zero yes she was many people just past several days ago won. The Derby was my first Derby in ninety three. He wasn't a great horse but he was great on on fuelling. Gordon days the champagne the Kentucky Derby and the travers he showed up huge those are big days to to have them and yeah of course he was special me for my Guy Mac Miller and Paul Mellon and my first dirty winter so yeah he was he was special to me. Even though he wasn't great in in many other ways he was great to me but you never went to Korea to check on Turkey Turkey Turkey. I did not this summer when you come up. When you come up to Saratoga you gotta get a Nice Nice picture with him and with the right that would be nice yeah? I'll take it. Let's get some picks for get some picks in for what who who's winning tomorrow. I think maximum security probably went. Here's the way I think it's GONNA unfold. I think king for a day's GonNa lead going in the first turn. Maximum security is going to be laying right outside and I think the other two horses are going to filter back the other park sources and then Jovian Mutual Goo so we're going to be talking and then I think it gets reasonable going into the far turn and if maximum security is on his game they've run. He and and King Day have just run faster than other horses. Let's I'm worried about king for a day matching up a huge effort and Pegasus back in the Haskell. I mean he ran fascinating ever on his life. By far and maximum securities race is about his kind of race and I and I think Jason Service believes he's training better. He's doing better and I'm still going to pick him sitting stalking trip just just on the neck of King for a day. I'm not convinced he can do it on my convinced he can do it effectively and if he does he is going to be four or five wide probably so percentage wise if you were just to say okay thinking ever fast I know he's the bet yeah he's he's definitely the bad especially if he's eight hundred ten to one although the wise guys given the pay scenario may not let him get off at at that high price to me percentage wise between maximum security and Mutual Gustavo. It's pretty close if they can get Muccio. Gustavo relaxed off the pace like he was in the affirms like like he was Los. Alamos is a two year old the two best races of his life. He doesn't always relax that nicely but if they can get him relaxed three four five links off the pace. Let the speed go I think he could he could really get I jump on ever fast and pick up the pieces and makes makes a lot of sense and also I like this to me baffert tough to argue with records unbelievable yeah. You know we say this preakness. Do we senator preakness do when we're we're. We're trying to get PROBA. We'll get probable we're trying to project him and but this does feel like the the the right kind of he would have to run school. Run significantly typically faster than you ever hasn't his life to win. I think probably close and not to belie the virus associate numbers but on a I can tell you from what is Jerry Brown say Jerry Jerry's got him <music> having just come off a slight new top and kind of has him almost fifty percent to run another new out. How does his number on graph compare with the Pegasus is firms those two links to like slower slow and that's about the buyer and you know it's going to be three white so he's not gonNA save any ground? That's true that's true and turns and that's that's valuable valuable commodity here sure it it's a very for this. This is a kind of race that completely flies in the face of the of the full field. We have to have full fields. You don't have to have full fields. You have to have competitive. This is good and it makes this very entertaining. That's we Jim Dandy and we've got got awesome. Things are falling will tacitus who else missing. We're not doing the race. I haven't gone through it but it's a good race and Omaha beach quietly starting to move toward toward a a start III and some other horses waiting-in-the-wings who who's who's your clubhouse leader and who is your perspective three-year-old champion when it's all said and done I disagree question because I don't know I don't think I don't think anybody knows right now. If Omaha beach comes back in and runs to good races and then performs well in the Breeders Cup he's GonNa take maximum-security wins. The haskell wins another race he certainly in the League for it and then don't sleep on on game winner either after the triple crown. If you were to have taken a poll I think maximum security would have been a standout choice at that point as the three year old leader since he didn't run in the preakness Belmont and obviously you know it was the Best Orson the Kentucky Derby after the Pegasus now I still think he might have you know he might be slightly in front but this is a really important race I think going forward for him. The horse that hasn't come up yet but <hes> coat of honor that was a big race in the dwyer but I'm I'm worried about his limit distance limitations exactly because any of these three year olds if they were to be effective in the classic day would have a huge leg up on on the rest of the division three Dau. No doubt I can tell you even though I'm saying you know maximum security might still have a slight edge. If the polling were taken today I vote in the in the weekly Breeders Cup Classic Top ten you do too since we started voting. I mean the only three year old that I've had in my top ten. I had him at number ten each each week and it was game winner in my opinion game winner ran the best race in the Kentucky Derby of any worse in the field when you factor during grandma again is eight wide graft sheets betcha he had the lowest number there was that was the crazies. That's what made the triple crazy you had. The winter didn't have the best figure. Jerry didn't give the winner of any of the three races the Pacific Yeah Yeah I mean maximum security had a dream trip in the Derby fast opening quarter and in slowed it way down the second and third quarters unless unless it's a steppingstone the low self derby from game-winner it was very uninspiring to me really and he worked really really hard to beat those horses and it wasn't a seller field to me roadster roasters nearly what we thought he was a bunch of allowance horses. I mean you know roadsters that nearly what we thought he was what I thought he was earlier. In this effort. You weren't impressed with the way a game winner Lincoln astride the last three off now I wasn't I was and it's a funny place I it it's an oddball that he would come back in in in in run better than that well if he does. It'll be in the travers and that'll be a good sport right yeah well other than the big feature tomorrow. You gotta be look forward to seeing midnight yeah. She's on her broadcast window. It's only an hour yeah a little tape can you do. You're got to do and we'll show. We'll probably show the stretch run very special. The only way she's in our broadcast window is if they is evacuated back brace for the then all of a sudden. She's our feature doors day pretty funny. Actually he's also and we'll get to it. Has We handicap today. The the mammoth cop is also a seven Horsfield and that came up as well so. Are you just showing Ashville. That's it okay well. That's all right. It's tough heard it was going to be hot. They didn't one over work as so no one's GonNa GonNa take you to F for being over worked at that right. You got the greatest although you they move you around like a piece on the N._F._l.. Network Yeah I've a lot of people don't know this but some people do at the end of the year. If you were to count the number of days I do for football the number of I do more for N._F._l.. Network for N._B._C. horseracing well it also the equestrian. Didn't you yeah yeah. He's in Saratoga in February doing yeah. I'm in Saratoga more days during the year doing voicing showjumping than I am doing horse racing how about that that's pretty funny. That is no one that's pretty funny. You must have I haven't mentioned in this piece of news <hes> but the camera will be with us later. You must have seen as an oaklawn Guy hot springs guy the lighted that <hes> Hammer will join the rising department at Oakland. He'll be on with US later to talk about Sin Awesome Awesome move for Oakland yeah great reputation like that and I wouldn't be surprised if pat pope's been there a long time and maybe pats kind of you know wanting to wind down a little bit and I you know I can see rick being in the pipeline there at oaklawn unbelievable whether we're Churchill whether we're at a Breeders Cup but say whatever it is the the two of you pop up and it's always a delight always fun Steve. We're going to pop pop up everywhere. I love it Jerry Valley. Eh Randy Moss tomorrow five to six or five to six as of now for now if we have lights. Maybe maybe shift. There's also a contingency plan. I it's it's definitely for five to six right uh-huh yeah if they run the Haskell say to forty five cooler one o'clock we'll we'll do the show will tape it there you go and then people will be able to watch it live on the APP in they can watch watch. It tape delayed from five six. That's that's one of the mini contingency already. I'll be back in Fort Lauderdale back in Minnesota. We'll watch it unbelievable J.. Jerry Bailey everybody and Randy Moss and you should be following on twitter randy underscore. Moss underscored the wow and your Jerry Bailey on at at Gerry de Bailey Jerry slipped. Why do you do this now? We have to tweet tweet little I listen. I got nineteen tweets in six years so that's let's say people like they just for you. Shit I put you on there. I put it took a picture that I got good okay. I slipped. I'll I'll re tweet them now. You're talking figure Randy Moss Jerry Bailey. We're GONNA stay right here in fact I doubt that we take a break today with a mammoth lineup that I haven't even been able to tell you about yet. We're GONNA have Gary West to pay tribute to his friend Bob up focus and Frank Miramar. He'll be here live frank. <hes> has got some fun stories that he wants to tell about Bob as well drew Koto will be with US Jerry Honduras attorney after yesterday and other piece of the big news from yesterday the court case the presentation and the judge in San Diego asking just to give him time to absorb he understood the complexity of the issues involved and he couldn't judge on the restraining order order so he basically tabled it until the twenty six drew quote will join us and talk and basically stand in for Jerry and Jerry so appreciative of everybody's support <hes> at least the people who stood up to support him and so on much much more. Tom Cassidy will be here and I told you about Amer Julie Krone who of course dominated at this oval Jew. I'll like that's great all right Jay Gig of these listening. He's going to give it to you too funny. Julie is going to be with she's up by Saratoga for her junior. Jockey camp and we'll talk to Julie as well right now pat McKenna standing by at Saratoga where the decision was made late yesterday to scuttle the Saturday card and move it to Sunday essentially and also feather in the postponed jump race from Wednesday and Sunday scheduled rated stakes shoe U._B.. Pat Good morning morning. Steve Hurry you excellent pat talk about what goes into the decisions like this and I can recall from years ago working on the track and we had a spate of incredibly intense heat and some cancellations talk about a Saturday those cancellations were during the week sure <hes> you know obviously first and foremost we're looking at the the weather forecasts and we're lucky not that we have outside meteorologists who we contract with that provide us with even more indepth information specific to Saratoga racecourse so you know when you're looking at the national weather service or Noah generally generally. They're you know you're you're talking about getting whether readings and data from <hes> you know from Albany Airport or Saratoga airport or you know those kinds of places. It's it's it's critical that <hes> we're looking exactly and just like we we do with precipitation or other things <hes>. It's really important that we're talking about this property itself so <hes> in consultation with in Your Gaming Commission Dr Scott Palmer Palmer the medical director of the State and <hes> at the Rosa who runs veterinary department you know this became pretty clear to us overnight <hes> India yesterday when the forecast changed from a high of ninety to ninety three to an actual air temperature of of ninety seven or ninety eight on Saturday leading to heathen indices of you know like we said yesterday and their press release <hes> anywhere between one hundred five and one hundred ten so <hes> you know it was a it's a difficult decision and one that we you know obviously don't take lightly but in the end to decision that prioritises health and Welfare of forces of writers of staff and offense and <hes> you know this is an unusual event hoping that it's that remains an unusual event in terms of this kind of a heatwave you know that's reflected in the fact that the last time we had to cancel because he was all the way back in two thousand six so <hes> you know again appreciate the the patience of of our fans and and you know recognizing that this is highly unusual and <hes> the only choice was to was the cautious one to to push Saturday's Card to Sunday. We'll run thirteen on Sunday opening with jumps raise closing with the Chevy and should be great areas thing you know forecast looks okay obviously be warm today and Sunday but <hes> it's. Interesting right when you talk to these meteorologists who <hes> who do this for a living you know there are mentioning <hes> the fact that it will be a little greasier on Sunday. It'll be a little more overcast. I never thought that it'd be an expert in weather but here I am so <hes> you know and those those are the kinds of things that <hes> that will allow us to <hes> to get the car done on Sunday so unusual <hes> you know but I think that the fact that we're able to get this done <hes> yesterday instead of you know tomorrow morning. Is You know it is <hes> is positive so it seems like a good reception from <hes> from the horsemen. <hes> and I think that the the fans understand that this is <hes> you know this is. This is the right thing to do now I that was that pretty much. Uniformly Ah approved and understood what <hes> we should touch on. I think pat what about people they're holding tickets etcetera for <hes> for tent space or we're we're table space and and kinds of things what are they do. Get in touch with the box office. That's you know <hes> most importantly we'll be doing exchanges <hes> but you know five one eight eight four four ticks <hes> narrow dot com all all of that information will be available there and <hes> and just encourage folks to reach out to the box office to figure out exactly <hes> had a refund or exchange those tickets excellent and my follow-up question was going to be about <hes> The Sunday temperatures but <hes> you went ahead and and got out in front of that as well well we already got through our first two days off together the Monday and Tuesday which <hes> yeah it was certainly met with with great approval and a rare Saturday <hes> yeah I mean I think the the biggest question is what are you going to do on Saturday right. I mean that's sort of what I heard <hes> yesterday yesterday afternoon and the press box and other places so unusual <hes> a little bit unpredictable but you know again <hes> this was the only choice that <hes> that that we identified so yeah Ah one other follow up sure how will will an additional race day be scheduled with the opportunity to to have a Monday card somewhere or will the races that were in the book for Sunday be feathered in elsewhere where for some eleven race cards and so forth yeah <hes> at this point you know we'll be looking to like you say to get those races <hes> run during the meat at some point but now there are no plans <music> at at this point to add an extra day <hes> you know there are logistical challenges with doing something like that. Remember a race dates are approved but they didn't get me commission for us to add a Monday or Tuesday would require their approval approval. <hes> there are a number of of logistical challenges that would go into you know you can't just drop a new card on a Monday or Tuesday <hes> there there are a number of things that go into that. It's yeah certainly a reasonable question and considering the addition of dark day on Monday but at this point we're comfortable with adding those races throughout the meat pat McKenna everybody and <hes> Pat I appreciate it and and <hes> Down Monmouth and that may ended up being a fortuitous decision so we go right now the the loan the loan oval that plans to run although Woodbine you know I knew there there was a situation when else when Alice canceled this is really you know and finger lakes as well they're losing. They've got their New York Derby in the New York Oaks that were scheduled for tomorrow while dealing with it and we'll look forward to getting back home and and senior on Sunday Yep. Thanks pat sounds good. Thanks Art McKenna Everybody Ah P._C.. Mechanic excuse me P._C.. McKenna on your twitter and well worth following pat I with the much of the kinds of news that as the director of of communications at the New York Racing Association he gets most of it out. I let me stay right here as I said we've got a very full three hours for you on the weekend preview going to look back though another time here a couple more times this morning to remember it appreciate Bob Fordis- and the first person we thought of <hes> was Gary West when the news came and Gary Course working together with Bob on right to win and they they had so much fun together on the book and for many many years ahead of its publication as friends <hes> whenever you came to a big event Fordis- and West and Jenny any reason to Jenny race was like they were like the Three Musketeers <hes> Gary just like so many others like all of his readers of the times-picayune and all of his colleagues just so saddened by this really pretty tragic <hes> an unfair circumstance that takes Bob for us well. It was unfair Steve He <hes> he had a wonderful career. In was you know a wonderful person and he served <hes> a much better conclusion than what he got <hes> as as you listeners probably no he was struck by a car as he was leading the racetrack. <hes> The fairgrounds is beloved fair the grounds I should say <hes> at the march and he never got home <hes> he <hes> had severe head trauma and and he was just broken from head to toe but the main problem almost severe head trauma and he had a at least to a brain operations <hes> I think though three actually <hes> and and finally Tuesday they were complications and he was so depleted he just couldn't find it off and he died Tuesday morning he had had and Marcus talked about it on Wednesday you know he'd had the the debilitating tumor on his spine and considering what a fit individually was and it had a real runners he had a runner's build and that was because he was a dedicated the athlete and and specifically a runner and so when that hit him I mean that was that was tough at that was tough enough and then this circumstance really <hes> after he had after he was seemingly okay well on his way to getting at least some of his of his mobility and strength back you know year what year and a half removed from the back surgery but talk about the fun times and and <hes> the work on the book the two of you were were so funny bouncing off each other you doing the editing and challenging Bob Almost as the book was unfolding. Well Bob was such a funny funny guy and I'm not sure people really <hes> understood as you realize times. He was so deadpan you know I'm remember one time we were. We were talking to some trainers young trainer who is sitting Orson to a stakes race. A major stakes rates and this young guy was just so full of himself in and everything was in the first person you know I did this and that and even to the point where saying Iran three-quarters intended change you know and and Imbaba that we're looking at each other just finding this hard to believe this guy was so convinced that this horses success was doing tidily to him and so at one point bob asked him with a straight face did you train secretary and and and and the guys of no that was before my time and as we were leaving the bar Bob Leftover at me and I I kind of frowned at him and he said well so delusional I thought I would <hes> he was he was such a such a funny funny person. <hes> you would always say <hes> <hes> you know when somebody was pontificating about this that <hes> the would say well you know you can get his best ideas for fifty cents <hes> which is about the cost of newspaper at that time <hes> he he was selfie facing and he he always realized that it was about the sport in about the horses that was never about about him and and and I think that was one of the reasons he was he was such a great reporter and then we were all fortunate to see some <hes> the season great horses during the eighties nineties lease and and and you know for three decades or more <hes> we we saw some great raciness and great horses and and Bob was one of those persons who appreciated that <hes> i. I wasn't smart enough to know that these are good old times you know but he was he. He knew that these these were very special. Moments very special horses that we were <hes> that we were around and and <hes> I think no one looked the sport more than he did. I suppose because he was a runner himself. In a serious as we said is serious collegiate runner at Michigan he was in awe of of the horses and of great performers. There's and great performances he was he was in one of the strangest things and one of the things that <hes> <hes> attracted me to Bob. You know I think led to our our meeting and hanging out altogether for thirty years more was was that <hes> he was an academic. We were both refugees. The academic world <hes> he taught mathematics at at <hes> two lane and I think at Washington the state as well and and I found the curious that someone who was a mathematician were so drawn the horse racing with all of its subtleties because we think of mathematics being absolute <hes> but but in the end I realized that he loved horse racing because I was like numbers very pure and <hes> while they were subtleties <hes> the race was an equation and it was a beautiful the equation to see the see the outcome <hes> and and I think he viewed horse racing that way <hes> he he surely as you point out he was an athlete himself but he appreciated horse racing is as much as anybody <hes> that ever lived he absolutely love sport and he knew that we were privileged to be there. When when horses such as Sunday silence and easy goer and Alysheba and all the great horses we saw when they were running we working privilege to be to be around from from a writing perspective he was? I suppose this gets to his mathematic bent but he was. I don't want to call him a technical writer Gary but he was he was a precise writer he he wasn't he wasn't flowery and and you don't you don't think of his work and I suppose we can talk about the book as part of this. You didn't really think of him as a fact Marcus her said this. You didn't really think of him. As a features type. It was more you know spot reporting and deadline headline reporting but yet the book was was very different. It was much more reflective of the craft of of of race right rioting dieting. I mean talked about the that work because it went on for several years. You guys worked on right to win right. We work on for three years and in Bob <hes> did most of the interviews with the EH jockeys and and then he formulated a basically a organization for the book <hes> It was his idea intimacies idea to break the the book doc down into the <hes> the process of riding from getting them out to the post race <hes> situations <hes> and in that that provided the structure the book and and it was wonderful the way it worked out <hes> in that <hes> we got all the all the top jockeys the last thirty years to talk about their greatest rides and the most <hes> momentous races of of of these of these times you know the the <hes> the loss by cigar in the Pacific classic the The Sunday Silence Easy Goer triple crown all all these races are in there and <hes> the jockeys talked about in retrospect and and Bob it see that <hes> once we had all these interviews that they really fell into this organizational pattern and then you turn it over to me and. And we came up with the <hes> the final product <hes> it was <hes> a labor of love because Bob <hes> appreciated junkies. I think much more than <hes> boast surfrider's he recognized how difficult it is the civic top an animal going you know forty miles an hour <hes> and and to try to to get the best animal in in to succeed and be I at the at the wire <hes> he really appreciated in love job. He's and you know he appreciated in love. Everybody <hes> we will go to the racetrack in the morning and cruise hot walkers. Everybody is saying Hello Bob <hes> because he valued he valued them <hes> much more than <hes>. I think most racing fans do or even drivers than valued the hot walker he valued the groom. You knew their names and he would he would take them for coffee. <hes> he appreciated what they did. He knew that these horses would not win. Races without without the guy who's working with you on a daily basis in the stall aw and he was a precise writer was a great reporter he he valued reporting value getting right <hes> and he had the highest <hes> professional standards. I I know of you know he's he's. He wasn't going to vote somebody unless he actually talked to imagine that you know now of course we get these demon quotes in the press box and there's so that into stories but he would not do that. He would not take a prefabricated Presley. Remember when <hes> in the what was it the PIMLICO <hes> the Maryland Breeders Cup Handicap in nineteen ninety nine <hes> when <hes> man ran onto the race track they're turning into the stretch and the jockeys look up and suddenly here's this guy standing in the middle of the racetrack and and as the horses are approaching clearly this is a man and he's he's a sleeveless he was t shirt rolled up jeans and he assumes of a boxer stance and as the horses go by he takes a swing at our tax or maybe it was shove as <hes> but he hit hit charvet's boot and and <hes> as soon as that happened when was extraordinary things I've ever seen at the Racetrack Bob and I looked at each other and we just took off. We ran down that hall at Pimlico toward the elevator in which Johnson because we want to accept you know the the Presley's about this incident that was weakness day. preakness was the big event bigness was the reason everyone was there but he was an unfolding new story right in our laps and we won't accept the press release of the quotes so we the drugs and talk to these guys and talk to shove as who are remember was he was so moved he was he was so emotional he was still shaky. <hes> because Charvet's <hes> <hes> of course came close to running over the man whose name what was it Lee Ferrell Yeah he came closest to actually running over him and he explained that <hes> when he waited to the last minute r-texas making his move on the outside after yes it's true any waited to the last minute severe to the inside because he thought if he moved earlier the name would just move also the name of so focused fearless focused doc on our tax he picked out our taxes the horse he was gonna take swing yet and so he waited to the last moment to veer to the inside to avoid contact and it was quite astounding how these jockeys <hes> went around bound feral like a stream around the boulder and it was it was just astounding how help L. L. Skill these writers were to avoid this. This man in the middle of the racetrack who is it turned out was obviously <hes> <hes> under the influence of something <hes> and <hes> the demons are are who knows what <hes> and <hes> we went down and talk to Charvet's because Bob wouldn't have done it any other way <hes> he he was a reporter or who was determined to get it right and get it accurately and and he he appreciated reporting <hes> probably <hes> much more than <hes> you know the other feature typewriting and and and much more than the the opinionated columns of reporting was the was the foundation upon which everything else was built. I do want ask I gary. I don't know if you have the answer about the book I I wanted to put a link up on Wednesday for those that that hadn't read it and didn't have a copy and of course it it was raising money for P._D.. J. F. during during the introduction and enduring the publicity period <hes> it it appears that the P._d.. J. F. Link the jockey talk three sixty that they're out of stock. The you know what the status is so that if people want you get a copy of right to win and any other any any other way to pay tribute to Bob which would I imagined include a P._d.. J. F. donation talk to those topics well <hes> I was with cherish his partner just yesterday and <hes> <hes> she wasn't to the point where she could make plans of that kind fine sir but <hes> <hes> do know that <hes> <hes> estate will be <hes> a much of that will go to various charities including the permanently disabled junkie son and <hes> <hes> so to owner Bob that that was the appropriate thing to do <hes> as for the book <hes> <hes>. I know a second edition <hes> was planned. Another printing was playing and <hes>. I don't know how far along the are on on on that but that might still be in the work so we can. You can hope that happens well. I'll keep a I'll keep up on that topic and we'll we'll let everybody know and I mean I know that it's sat places like good reads Amazon and so forth but <hes> the the donation to P._d.. J. F. through through the the jockey talk three sixty right side right was that was particularly <hes> the book to make a donation Herat exactly exactly well <hes> Gary. I hate that <hes> we have. We haven't talked to long <hes> but I I hate that this at to be the impetus <hes> I came to. I came to really enjoy his visits and when I went down to New Orleans now it's probably the first I guess when I did the Risen Star Week. It's gotta be three or four years ago and he came up and sat with me <hes> in the press box and he I I was one of those people I think that early on Gary he he had that way of looking at at you and you could tell l. that you know the the abacus in his brain was making a determination and he for a number of years he would look at me kind of quizzically and when I went to say hi and talked to and then we started you know starting to get him on the show and and talk about the book and he kept sending me chapters and we would talk about it and and we really had fun and I I really I've just so really saddened by this is somebody that would have appreciated and treasured growing old going to the racetrack and Gosh yeah character and in some way beautiful person yeah now for you and you mentioned cherish and Jenny Reese and the countless people I haven't even talked to the horsemen really yet in and around New Orleans and you know on the on the circuit but <hes> Mrs obviously worked for tops brother at the Picky Yoon and and you know I I put up a wonderful picture that and Everhart took of the belief in the blood horse picture of him and Al Stall aw sitting in the stands with those those Irish walking caps saying caps was at one cap over the whole period of time or did he have more than one yes yeah that was his is <hes> Sartorial Flourish Yeah sorry gary the I at least he <hes> you know when people pants we we <hes> judge greatness usually by the accumulation of accomplishments and bobby mini accomplishments but his greatness is evident in the accumulation of friends and will everybody Bob absolutely Gary West everybody and Gary we'll talk again under better <hes> under a better office I look forward to Steve. 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In The Gate #440 - Cultured Pearl

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In The Gate #440 - Cultured Pearl

"Don't let winter boss around your car's engine use pennzoil synthetic motor oil made from natural gas. Not Crude oil gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is is in the pennzoil based on sequence four aware tests using sap five W. thirty. It is one of the most beautiful spots in the a Western Hemisphere one where my wife I honeymoon twenty one years ago in nineteen ninety eight and it's now the unlikely home of a notable thoroughbred race track but the the story of horse racing on the island of Saint Lucia is somewhat controversial. Will examine the Pearl of the Caribbean. Plus we're going to have a history lesson about Burtt. Yes dirt before we know where we might be headed with racetrack surface technology. We need to know where we've been so we'll talk about the history of dirt on this edition. She didn't indicate the dates. There ought to be did has this is in the gate. ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams you. You can follow me on twitter at Abrahams voice or on facebook at Barry. Abrams boys you can also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate. podcast you can get us on soundcloud as well get us the I tunes store or tune in Dot Com. You can get us on stitcher and that Little Pink Pied Catcher APP or wherever you get your podcast and now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the gate experience. Subscribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. Roughly three years ago in November of two thousand in sixteen the Prime Minister of Saint Lucia Alan chastain a joint Prince Harry now the Duke of Sussex and Taylor King Chairman of the China Horse Chris Club at a groundbreaking ceremony for a would be new race track not to heighten expectations or anything but the track would be called the Pearl of the Caribbean. It would sit on seven hundred acres of relatively undeveloped land at the southern end of the island and alongside the track would be a casino resorts a marina shopping and even high end residential areas. Tao's design company Desert Star Holdings would build it all. Das H had designed and built the palatial May don race course in Dubai where the Dubai World Cup is now held. The original hope was to open in December for of two thousand seventeen. Then it became two thousand eighteen and finally the track is now open this month with the signature race. The one hundred fifty thousand dollar Piton Cup being run on the island's National Day among those involved in the Piton Cup which is named for the mountains that are Saint Lucia signature pitcher landmark are winstar farm todd pletcher and Saul Kumon pretty big names since over. Sixty percent of Saint. Lucia economy comes from tourism arisen. The idea of a race meet comprised of shippers from other countries make sense but for every benefit in life. There is a cost and and one keen observer of the socioeconomic. History of Saint. Lucia says that this deal is not at all what it's cracked up to be. Dr Anderson Reynolds is a native of Fort Saint Lucia who was educated here in the United States. He has a PhD in food and Resource Economics from the University of Florida. Talk Reynolds writes frequently about these socioeconomic history of Saint Lucia and. He joins US here on in the gay to talk about what the average race fan doesn't know about the deal to to build the Pearl of the Caribbean. By the way we should point out that we had reached out to a representative of Desert Star Holdings in China Horse Club to get their version of this deal. They politely declined to join us. So Dr Reynolds first of all one of the big issues is the cost of the land and who pays for it you write that. Some of the land will be sold at less than half its market value while other parts of the complex will be leased for just one dollar for ninety nine years ears but I could name you numerous deals where land is leased for a dollar for a number of years the city of Newark New Jersey for example is spending twenty seven million dollars. There's over thirty years to rent a parking lot that it sold for one dollar as part of a sports deal with the National Hockey League's New Jersey devils. So what bothers you so much about this. Deal for the land in Saint Lucia where you walk ride the right This is an instrument that governments use ATTRAC- investments. But one of the concerns is if it is not clear to us what we are getting from such a generous concession because there are new provisions in the agreement for local UH investment participation there is no provision for a the solutions to investors in that development. Also if you look at that aspect relation you you could say yes. This is the trend. Would write for government attracted investments. But when you look at this aspect of it along with I don aspects of the agreement there is feeling that this whole up there is just out of luck of a spirit of generosity. It gives them impression that this would be meant and the developer. He's there simply to extract from the country without giving given much because because I thought when it comes to somebody's country through stop these development projects that they would come. We've spirit of interesting. I mean you come into my country to that up to invest. I would send you to call me I of generosity but if you read the there is no such such feeling of generosity so it is it is not what other benefits to us of such a development appropriate now. The newly formed Royal Turf Club of Saint Lucia will own the Pearl of the Caribbean. So where does that fit in first of all with what you described as a spirit of generosity well about this kind of considerations it is not clear who is going to own what there is a cloud over much. The only reason why We have some sense of the agreement was because got somebody leaked the agreement on which I'm quoting it wasn't out. We would have been in the dock respected details. She is so we got what you said of. Who is going to own what it is never clear who would be the actual onus back? According to the agreement to your arcane developer will establish. Your House struck a chord into the agreement. That'd be up. I would own the truck that line will basically be given developer or Obstructions in the development has to be removed moved by government at cost government has to bring all infrastructure required government has to provide infrastructure at cost. That'd be fun. Invest some of his own money in the building of the awesome struck but that money spent will have to be refunded government. Who'd asked to pay back all of that money that up Put in Hudson struck and on top of that the whole scheme that would would be better than skin will be funded by finish and passports. But he threw it would be. That would be responsible for selling solution. fastballs overseas and developer will put that money in an escrow and use that money at his discretion requirement. Is that at the time of redrawing from dot escort. He incomes government. That jolly sticking. Yeah I wanted just back up a second and make our listeners. Aware air of what. This situation is so tale. King of the China Horse Club owns the company that has developed and built the track. And I say or that because another issue you have with this deal. Is that the only pledge made by the developer is for the race track part of the complex. The rest of of it you write is dependent upon the Saint Lucian government attracting other investors as you mentioned and the way to attract other investors is by selling selling Saint Lucien passports. Can you just explain for our listeners. What is involved in the government selling a passport? which sounds like a weird weird concept when you know? I'm in it is that's been where through. INVESTMENT MONEY'S CITIZEN INVESTMENT TO CALL IT FOR CIT citizen investment so basically truck foreign investment to the country. The government says Sandwich citizenship to foreigners basically setting their passports. I didn't return these investors Invest Lucia. I never different categories of investment and since this President Administration came to power they reduced the requirement to get passports. So as almost half the money you have to invest to get this administration half the amount and relaxed oversight and the the requirements if you simply want to get a passport that's option you got you got a hundred thousand. US which goes into the Development Fund that gives you a path one hundred thousand dollars that you have to invest in the National Economic Fund of Saint Lucia. Yes it's coming in as individuals to invest In terms of has and so on did you have about three hundred thousand you up an investment of about pre hundred thousand. US Senate. Has I scene two hundred thousand that it was two hundred thousand and the government lowered that to one hundred thousand. Is that right yes. You're talking about the first category where you're just simply given the government your money we government puts into an economic fund. And you don't have no benefits. That's fun so busy simply directly buying up at school that got to gory of car in the passport is coming into actually invest. And of course you will be I'm rippin the proceeds from that investment. So far these. I'm not that copy very the month you have to invent is three hundred thousand dollars plus okay. I want our audience to keep those numbers in mind when we get to our chat with Eden Harrington of the China Horse Club coming up after the break but Saint Lucius form of government is a parliamentary democracy similar to England. The British and French alternated control of the island until it won its independence in nine hundred seventy eight. There's a prime minister. Alain Chasta as we mentioned and two houses of parliament did parliament approve. This deal if not. How did it get done? Well you know that ruling the majority so if I take on the way so that basically it. So basically basically the government structured the ruling patterns can Biscotti Iblin. Whatever it wants? How polarized our politics takes in Saint Lucia Extra Newport arise everything folly excited from the very minute activity to in terms of one's ability to get jobs if forty two car government contracts even very small contracts? He's he's dead along political lines. I mean everything is reported Toco. We're talking here on in the gate with Dr Anderson Reynolds an expert in the socio economic history of the island of Saint Lucia. Where the Pearl of the Caribbean Racetrack Complex will soon host? Its first major thoroughbred race. The Piton Cup on December fourteenth according to average salary survey DOT COM. Who even knew there was such a thing? The average annual salary made by someone and living in Saint Lucia is under twenty eight thousand dollars a year in. US dollars so with the numbers. We just discussed one hundred thousand in two hundred thousand or three hundred thousand dollars of investment needed. What do residents of Saint Lucia feel about this project? Okay Eh Dusko backup. The average salary is much lower than twenty thousand. US dollars in fact twenty thousand. US dollars will be like almost like like the upper end of salaries in San Lucia so for example somebody from says degree in the educational system teaching would be making about two thousand you as as two thousand dollars. A month is above the average salary in San Lucia saw. ooh Twenty eight thousand dollars a month. I think the average salaries well below that but go ahead will nonetheless given the income situation situation. What do the residents of Saint Lucia feel about this project? Well what response depends on what out of the country to pull from those who are not from they mediate diversity of your ex particularly those living in the customer's sees these investment project is We have the island that we of developing the south of the island which lots to be. Hang the north in development so so some people see as a great opportunity that country on fom the WHO economic landscape put you in the south of the item some seats. It does leave it from you. Because the whole protest groups have been established to oppose some of the conditions that came along with initiative these people will see as a loss of sovereignty and Brahmin does the gradation give one entity on monopoly really over the wealth of the country. The government relax passport requirements. Remove these requirements for citizens of China so potentially the developer consider as many parts as required to complete the development and so it may be possible maybe for example they can set four thousand forty thousand passports which means an additional forty thousand citizens to Lucia. Our population is about one hundred and seventy thousand and the population of the tongue of you for whether people have been taken place is under ten thousand so the development as what is on paper is of social and economic dislocation and it can change the political landscape of the island. But let me ask you to see no one was. The host. Thrift struck puts it because I was president of the Tourism Development Corporation entity in view fought and we will actively lobbying on pushing fall hoster struck in Buford because we we do have Hospitals and often have been going on by local Hoffman. So reading what people are concerned about is the terms and conditions of the whole development. Not just a horse racing track but the whole development they can they can as a whole meaning the marinas and the Casino and the other parts that are proposed. Yes because if this happens the developer would have an economic monopoly police on the island because they will control the best part of the reenlisted on the island the tide. We've the China Construction Company. Which of course is funded by the Bank of China so rarely construction Mike Prom on the China Construction Company and now he's through so they would be most likely doing most of the construction? They will be involved. I think in the development development of the airport and seaport so ready you visit Cook Inlet. You allow the Chinese monoply on the island so it is probably not picked. Put such a large chunk of the economic activity in the south of the island into one Hans. So that's another problem people. Have you've been up. Meant to play. Devil's advocate Dr Reynolds. I mean over. Sixty percent of the island's economy comes from tourism resorts resorts that are owned by major international. Conglomerates what is different about this complex where a different I found most of the hotels that have been established by funds from outside that developers. Coming money and DIPA hotel. That's one that's different too. You have many of those hotels by different owners. Of course Sundays. Hotel is Has Free of properties owned by one entity and these properties are largely in the north of the island but there are many. The hotel is different. ONA's so what you do for is that you have on the one owner she offered strack. WHO ATTEND UNSEE part development? It's constantly new marina. All of this whole thing. According to the agreement would be one entity. So that's a big departure and also you gotta aspects of the agreement. Has that much although the generous offers what do you mean. Well I mean it is like to who me for example the London for one hundred years but every single aspect of this. I should mention that'd be gone for For us and Developed estimates that it may take food feeling Donahue Developmentally might take maybe twenty five years so then we put all those ones in the hundred developer around for twenty five years. I is that developed the land but will not be available to any any other entity for development. So that's different from the hotel is coming Secure the site of a lund. I'm there with You know your to start operating every different to develop the edge developments. I don't Wanna get ahead of myself off too much. But I know when we have Eden Harrington of the China Horse Club on after the break one of the things he's going to say is that Desert Star Holdings the developer has put up whatever money it is put up so far to build the track that the government of Saint Lucia has not put up one dime yet and that it is up to the government to bring in these other investors. So what are your thoughts about that. Well that's true the government. I meant both prime minister. I'm the agreement signed by the Prime Minister. The prime minister has gone on television to go recommended. See that all the money's you walking will be spending on the truck will be refunded back to him from eighty cents from the investment fund. Yeah so clearly. You're talking you've been using his money in fact he's dropped a blend in his money for at this initial stage of their development money. You'll be getting back to learn that this is just. He's money being spent because I went into the agreement infrastructure examples every that has to be condemned because he's improving the area of development. That's government costs. I mean there is the official from hot to be condemned not cost the government on both as you'll find there was an abattoir. Funded by Taiwanese Taiwanese funds that because they've been encompass it means that's about to be put down that am use it for other purposes all these across to the government no activities that government is actually funding out of their pockets right now but clearly even as we speak the up and coming tremendous cost to the government. Both Kinda in kind cost. Dr Anderson Reynolds is a socio-economic expert in Saint Lucia. Thank you so much for a few minutes. Dr Do very much five Amelia program. As as we said at the beginning we invited a representative of Desert Star Holdings and the China Horse Club to come on the show and share their side of this situation. They politely he declined. So when we come back here on the gate we're going to change gears and give you a history of dirt at least dirt in American horse racing before we know where the sports might be headed in terms of race. Track surface technology. 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Among among other things the safety of racing surfaces there are three main types of track surfaces and use in the sport conventional dirt manmade dirt known sonal synthetic and grass or turf earlier this year the Jockey Club revealed that the rate of horse fatalities was markedly higher on conventional channel dirt than on either synthetic or turf turf. One point two won't fatalities per thousand starts synthetic dirt one point two three free dirt. One point eight six so you as the listener might say well. The numbers are obvious we have to go to turf and synthetic like only and get rid of dirt but as our cherished Espn College football analyst Lee Corso so often exclaims not so fast. My friend and before we talk about where the sport might be headed in terms of racing surfaces. We need to know where we've been and to help with that. We welcome back here to win the gate after far too long an absence. The Dean of Horse Racing Journalists the Great Gary West who I understand was there when the very first dirt track in the United States was built. Hilton what is now Brooklyn New York in eighteen twenty one. You remember the union race. Course don't you Mr West. Went there many times. Yes yes it had the The skinned of course I think they called it meaning. It was a dirt track and it was a novelty by the way until then the racing had all been on the grass surfaces at the turn of the century. There were about three hundred race tracks in America and these racetracks distracts. I wanted to be needed to be located near the population. You're all these people that suddenly were fascinated with horse race and and that meant they had to be located near the city or in the city by nineteen twenty. Certainly the majority of Americans have moved. Our we're living in in the city and we were making a transition from an agrarian society in an agrarian economy to industrial economy. Auditing and these racetracks in the city of course had surfaces because they were easier to maintain and you could race on them repeatedly pedley and you also train on train enraged something so the need to be close I think to the population into this this New found fan base was largely the reason for the proliferation of tracks and almost to the exclusion of AH turf racing at some point in the mirror and you know John Morrissey way down the Saratoga media and in eighteen sixty three. They raised on the trotter course. In of course that was dirk course and the reason they raise their when Mile Ohio from the city as opposed to further out in what might be regarded more pastoral area was John Morrissey own several a casino in town and he wanted to keep the people right there so they would go to casinos and enjoy the entertainments authored by the city. So there a number of reasons or the race tracks who got dirt surfaces rather than Turkey course. I just want to back up one second because obviously Asli American racing came from British racing. British racing runs almost exclusively on turf. There are hundreds of race racetracks throughout England that are not far from major metropolitan areas. Where you run three days in one place and then five days in another? Because it's like you said you you have to let the turf course recover. Why didn't that kind of assistance take root here? Well keep in mind those racetracks in England in throughout Europe that now seem clogs to population centers. Weren't close necessarily when they they were established. Mass transit has reduced distance for any person going to anywhere in the country. Certainly and that includes includes people going from London you market but I think the main reason that didn't occur here was that there was no room or the sport timmy. Certainly many aristocrats in America were involved in racing as we all go but there was an imperative at American restaurants to make them economically efficient. And it wasn't just a matter of one man saying my horses faster new orders and let's go out to newmarket downs and ground if that statement is true or not moreover I will bet on it. You know that's what racing racing was all about up until the mid nineteenth century. Andrew Jackson made a fortune betting on trucks to His famous horse and most most of those races were match races such as eclipse against Sir History and in Lexington Against Lecomte they were match rates and and and that kind of racing was no longer economically efficient and it became economically necessary. I think to have dirk courses. As opposed to exclusively of course are now that explains the early twentieth century. And that's why we have Gary West on because nobody has a perspective like he does but even in my lifetime back in the eighties few race tracks in North America held any maiden races on turf horses that were bred for grass. I would still have to start on dirt. What made for that kind of almost exclusive bias? This late in the game. Well I can remember when many reg extracts the didn't even have of course and those transit did have a have one of course it was difficult to maintain because of course every time you ran on it you to some degree damaged it and so only the best horses got to run on the turf but that has changed. I think we learn how to maintain that sort of courses and there's more and more restaurants such as go stream park and Belmont have multiple turf. Of course it's only component and they can move the rail in and out to create a turf course that has more sustainable but that that wasn't possible in. I don't the people that necessarily up until I don't know maybe the nineteen sixties. I know it wasn't long ago when you would move a horse I to the turf as a last resort most of the rich racist and American. There's a strong economic incentive here to run their most host of the rich races are on the dirt most of the best horse race on the third. And so. That's that's where the money is. And that's where you go you only type of turf. If you've proven group can't make the money on the third that changed. I suppose it could cite the two million as in one of those turf races that that changed the game and in convinced people that there was to be made on the grants people also stealing or the history of producing turf runners are more attractive have been Nebraska then and and now today of course you find the game change completely some racetracks almost as many racist on the turf as the earth and indeed betters have come to real ups arguably that turf racine is is to their benefit that EH surface us better than Dirk. In fact I've made myself. The races have larger fields payoffs generally are greater and in the the racist based on average winning margin The racism contentious who competitive therefore signing so turf racing I think is is gaining momentum asking momentum in this country and Any any new racetrack. If you can imagine such a thing would be wise to take multiple Turkey courses. Wait a new race. Did you say new racetrack. You put those two words in the same sentence right if you imagine such a thing. Yes I it's it's difficult to imagine anyone trying such a venture these days but if you were to do that if you were designed to design a new race you have multiple turf courses. Certainly the the other reason I've yet to figure out why turf racing was so prejudiced against back in the day is because Americans I think more than Europeans are obsessed with speed where Europeans value staying durability and turf races run run faster than dirt so why horsemen didn't take to turf in this country also surprises me. Well I I think that has something to do. Do with our cowboy culture the first quarter horse race or at least the first phrase one that is specified distance of a quarter mile was I I think. Eighteen seventy four five in Virginia and they raised on the city streets at St obviously and the quarter mile. It seemed like a good distance because it was a distance that these horses that were used on ranches excelled at and that had something to do with the preference for rate dirt surface and certainly something to do a lot to do with the preference for speed because the horses that were most admired. Weren't the horses that could run five miles hostesses generally but the horses that could run the quarter-mile very quickly and don't forget. The steamed or bread was very popular in America. EVAC back the most popular horse in the country in the last half of the nineteenth century was her name Lady Clifford who is also known As the old grey mayor in song mechanic that Lady Suffolk da the old grey mayor and song. Muslims resource almost savings horse in American last last year from nineteenth century. She won almost a hundred races since you once race at Saratoga and attracted a crowd of thousands and of course they raised on a dirt. Course the immortal Gary West joins us here on the gate. He's not quite as old as dirt but the history of dirt racing in this country is the topic so in one thousand nine hundred sixty five. The first I man made track a synthetic which was called Tartan track was tested at Laurel Racecourse in Maryland. And then the next year nineteen sixty six. It was is used for real at Tropical Park in Miami. What do you remember about that experiment? Well remember the early experiments with artificial artificial surfaces were at more admirable than successful. The artificial surfaces tend to to break down giving the the heat and the weather conditions if it were cold the material with congenial and gather together and create clumps but surfaces have come a long way and at this point. I think you know we have arrived at a time when the artificial surfaces certainly safer than most courses and would be I think welcome as training transit. Nothing else many any of those owners and trainers at Tropical Park refuse to run on that rubberized surface on rubberized surface. It was only one race day that was carted there now. We start in the modern era as you mentioned nineteen eighty-seven with poly track which was installed at the Training Center for legendary British British trainer. Richard Hannon senior. It was made of sand and recycled carpet recycled rubber and even SPANDEX SPANDEX index ladies as well as shredded newspaper that was covered with a waxy coating and then the next year in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Remington Park. In Oklahoma became the first track in the the United States to go synthetic installed something called Equa track that lasted a grand total of three years. Similar story with the California tracks. Keeneland and experiment wasn't long lived at any of them and now only five North American synthetic tracks remain. Now here's the question. How much of that pushback by horsemen? Then and now was the typical. This is how we do it meaning dirt because this is how we've always done it and how much was a legitimate problem with synthetics addicts. Great Question I think most most of it had to do with the The horsemen resisting. Change I remember the the Remington Park track very clearly and in that over difficulties they are even the poly track was installed. I A Kenyan NFL TURF way. It was very susceptible to changes in weather and complained about that. But I think what they they were really complaining about more than anything was the the change that this surface Brought to their lives and into the way they train their horse no doubt there were many problems with the synthetic surfaces. All of them Daikin recall all of them that I saw but I think in time it could have worked it out and I think in town the surfaces have gotten better and better you can conversely makes the argument that if if the dirt surfaces or giving the same amount amount of selling say scientific and technological attention they could be nearly as safer just to say is the as synthetic surfaces surfaces. And maybe so I don't know but We've arrived at a point where we can. We can make racing surfaces very very safe. And that's something sports should applaud and it should approach very conscientiously and and cut no corners In that regard well we mentioned the fatality fatality rate by surface in our open across the country. It's turf one point. Two zero fatalities thousand starts synthetic dirt one point point two three dirt one point eight six that said Churchill. This spring lost three horses in three thousand one hundred hundred forty eight starts between dirt and turf a rate of zero point nine five. It's best rate since two thousand ten so in the big picture of racing surface. Let's talk some of which came up recently at the global symposium in Arizona. What those numbers mean to you? Well no no number. No fatalities is acceptable Eh. But it means we're making progress Certainly Churchill's progress and I think if these surfaces are are managed and maintained with diligence in intelligence. We can make things as safe as possible Horses despite despite with with some might believe most is one to rich if you would turn them out in the field they would race. That's what they were bred to do since the seventeenth nineteenth century and they would race and actually putting them on a race track and racing them under supervised conditions means. They're racy not much more safely than they would if we just turn them loose in the field still. We have an obligation to these great animals to make sport as safe as possible for both worse and writer so open your crystal ball what happens to dirt surfaces ten years from now I think their services this is will continue to become safer and I. I think we'll continue to race on dirt because economically. It makes a lot of sense to do that and I think more and more. We'll see synthetic surfaces use for training and perhaps racing to particularly in areas where the climate makes it's the surface difficult to maintain but I think the sport is moving in a in a positive direction in surfaces or become safer and safer and that's a very very good thing there is none like unto Gary West we have ever had on this podcast and the eight plus years. We've been doing it. Thank you so much. Perspective is non puerile while thank you very much always a pleasure. Thanks once again to Gary West and Dr Anderson Reynolds. 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PART 2: Sid Fernando

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If if you're from if you're from New York from the city or Long Island Eyelid about Editors Adventures that blackout chocolate cake in there that Oh night unbe was frappes with Schrafft's ice cream at about it's not about it it said Sire Watch pedigree focused brought to you by hill and Dale and here we are the sale today we will wrap up book four and this has just been I don't want to say more of the same I mean but this has been since we spoke last week ah just unbelievable and of course I left you and the next thing you knew there was an eight million dollar horse just just been crazy yeah. It's really something isn't it. Yeah yeah the the top of the market said that last day of Book Doc One when we left off which is obviously other worldly from the eight point two million and everything else in between two I mean that's really weird speculated had chance to top the four point one one leader point and she did but boy did she do it more than doubling what what what the man that's what was that's stunning because I said to you could could the Leslie's lady could could she eclipse the four four million and you said well yeah maybe but not ok five million okay maybe four and a half billion but this was the have have the confluence to have the three of them and it's so funny because when the number came out and the phone the phone jingled and it says as you know here's a whatever a TD and alert and eight eight point two eight eight two point eight point two billion for boulder sister and I thought this couldn't be Mandy Pope ten minutes later Peter you know comes the confrontation. Maybe yeah I I actually went into the ring to watch the videotape a UH for posterity and I would they be actually see her. They're bidding so I knew that she was uh when she got in on it Godolphin was the under better so yeah that was quite a quite a tough the the thing that's intriguing to me about this and the fact that you know this kind of money for for the mayor at mean knowing you knowing that this this has been a brother of Mendelssohn and into mischief as opposed to a sister of vaulter. What is what would would you expect it? I mean wouldn't wouldn't the wouldn't have been worth worth more toward this kind of a of a number yeah. You know these days seem like the the colts our yearling colts you know we we started one four point one million you know maybe you say Mendelssohn was a three million dollar cold you know with the partnerships in the way they are. You could definitely make a case that a Colt Could you know get to be you know in the five doing dollar range. We've seen it close already ear and this one was you know this one would have been particularly feeling as a coke on the flip side it though this is a you know a trophy man and I thought she had a good chance to you you know get past the the Colt maybe up to five million what I thought it's stretching it as a as a as a trophy from a mare the year half to three horses nowhere never did I think you know we'd get up to the the level that she made because usually that level speed is reserved for the mayor with the race record. So you know you get married the race record. You're GonNa get you know that type of nine and a half million for songbirds that type of range but this mayor got got to that price level without the race record so it's it's quite quite amazing that as you pointed out of that series bidding between three unaffiliated people could get that going to that level. It'll be interesting to what we get to November of. The news came last week as well that Jeff Bloom electing at the end of the season to salve midnight visa and yeah exactly and that kind of money really right she'll she'll command command the the kind of numbers and she'll she'll end up being one of those that that the Japanese farms they they seem to covet those they do they they. You know they'll pay the they pay into the good millions for them. I can't think of them going that high. it seems like the most the highest prices in recent unless I'm missing one really gone to people like Mandy Pope cool more or going in past years Darlie Charlie but yea certainly the Japanese you know anywhere anywhere from the high seven hundred thousand to a two three four million teams like doing they're in it and particularly when we talked about the Japanese we're talking about Yoshida either carrier sheet of Shaddai Hi or his arch-rival pet Sumi at northern farm and of course they've bought Princess Missile Mar and Champagne Doro and who else that the current Horse Yoshida appropriate renamed aimed that damn of that Horse name escapes me at the moment of course was bought by them as well now. This'll be this'll be worth following in the meantime. I WanNa hit a few of the story lines beyond the the headline grabbers books one books looks to that absolutely lived up to expectation and then of course when you've got the kind of competition that we saw those first five sessions Sion's IT spills over into book three and four and the people that that came and we're hoping to you know get away with I. I don't know two fifty to five hundred the AW I'm back here. You've that must have been was that on your end Deja they. You'll say to all right. Get sit back. Wasn't that was weird. Then all right there was a little there was a son flare anything anything that happens like that we blame it on solar activity they will get sit back and I. I want to talk about some some sire stories because I was doing what I always do. Digging through results and you know looking at in particular. The now said got whacked. We came back. I I say I was in the process of asking you some story lines that you've been impressed with you know aside from aside from the ones we know Kirwin Medaglia d'oro are leading the the the sale. It's happened American Pharaoh etc but in that the next level I found one that I can't wait to talk about but I'll let you start. what are some of the successes that you're seeing well. You and I just spoken last last week about union. Rags mentioned that united is getting some high prices and that that can kinda continued continued actually very nick you and I spoke union rags cop the that session with a million dollar coal and I thought that you know that that was an interesting horse and you later pointed out to me perhaps he's a equality road in the making and Bingo that night on TV Yen David Gordo who had been buying it. Some of these union rags mentioned the exact same thing you. He said he read your mind he said I believe he's like another quality road amazing though well good company boy if you you yeah I love it. I love it. I'm going to go back and forth point counterpoint. I'M GONNA throw out one that I don't think is going to be that obvious. The people yet at may be post sale. There's a there's a developing story on upstart. Yeah I mean am I surprised no explain why because it's something something you and I have discussed here for years on this show and it has and it's based around Governor Jones and Airdrie Stud if you go with them with their young horses you're GonNa get rewarded at the sales and they themselves are the architects behind. They pick very very good looking style upstart. He's one of them too. They have a tremendous broodmare band that is selected selected Moron Physique than it is on pedigree they produce very very good-looking looking yearlings and they put him in the sale and Bingo it happens before upstart the year you know we saw with summer front we saw this with Cairo. Prince and upstart a ten thousand dollars stud fee the averaging one hundred twenty three thousand so close to a twelve times subsidy to me that that is is always looking at that kind of multiple and and also the sell through yeah. There's been a he's had a handful of Arnaiz the one two three four had four Arnaiz Arnaiz out of twenty two twenty one out and four days an I an eighteen that have sold and they just you can tell you got some end users vying. You've got pinned hookers buying think and obviously I mean this is a flatter Saddam flatter upstart and I just the as I it's funny you just all you have to do you go through the result pages and after a few days certain names you know they start to kind of jump off the page at you and he was he was number one and then when you add up you add up the stud fee and the average bridge. There's your there's your equation the other the other horse that is doing smashing Lii and it's interesting because he did not have a chance to perform as a three year old and that's not this time yeah another good pick on your part another extremely good looking sounding by giant's causeway he happens to be the half brother to Liam's math all about family trust to as dentists moment a shame profile that this was not this time had before he got hurt the Breeders Cup so very promising promising horse standing fifteen thousand averaging a little more than one hundred twenty nine thousand but it's great return on investment for for those people and you know just I standing winning horse as well physically with that pedigree behind him so it's interesting that Cali- tailor-made farm both not this time for fifty thousand and California Chrome for forty thousand and California similar the results with the big discrepancy study Callard California chrome averaging one hundred twenty four not this time one hundred twenty nine nine on sheer speculation had been a breeder you would you would have done better obviously on your Roi selling with not this time which is always interesting when you when you see a a horse like that catch your eye Steve so that's that's another real one. There've been a few other to Air Force Blue Blue twenty five and the expert and a war front he and run happy the Big Big Story twenty five thousand at claiborne run half. He's averaging two hundred sixty three thousand air force blue European rates on European two year old champion by warfronts still getting some Nice returns that with one hundred sixty three thousand dollar average leave you know it's very similar to the stock market and investing Steve When you're looking at these first crop horses and you decide you know who you're going to bring to shows you why the first crop forces really are so popular because because they're returned quite healthy versus sub fee and that's because people by prescribe horses and there's been a top four kind of at the top end of this between Nyquist forty thousand frosted fifty thousand surprising run happy twenty thousand from all kinds of sharing that title day-to-day as we go you know with averages and the two hundred thousand to forty and up for frosted to sixty for run happy to sixty seven for a nyquist either one on any given day a of the sale depending on price whether it's a high price are low price. You'RE GONNA check their averages but they're all those three are really fighting it out but below them. There's good money to be made as I mentioned air force fluid you pointed out not this time tattoos that shad well not a lotta horses only seven the ring all seven sold twelve five seven averaging twenty nine thousand surprising how work and Windstar fifteen thousand averaging one hundred and thirty one thousand house so you know there's a lot in here and even sure who's a you know a distance turf force not the most popular at and he's an Ellendale John Sikora twenty thousand. He's he's averaged every one hundred thousand ninety six thousand Shit also mentioned the other giant's Causeway Young Brody's 'cause also Alabama family horse like not this kind but he's at spendthrift for Twelfth Five Ninety two thousand return on him so these are all really good returns their ten thousand stub fee and Windstar one hundred sixteen thousand God. I'm going to bring up is going to bring up. You mentioned Fletcher but I want to can't Theros is really remarkable success because it's one thing sid when you look at when you look at these stallions and you see them you know sons of of warfronts sons of giant's causeway sons of abnd et CETERA. He's a subtle lionheart I mean for him to done what he did and make his way from Florida to Kentucky and basically basically the some of his best progeny should be ahead of him because he's going to be getting better and better mayors you know as as the you know the the second half of his of his stud career but he's had a very good sale and there's quite a few more coming and then I want to mention a horse that nobody talks about a and and I don't think you and I have discussed him more than once or twice and yet he's got a bunch of steak winners. He sells well so far in the sale to to going into today. He's only had one. Ra He's eighteen thousand nine hundred I'm going to bench and Darby dance dialed in who are that never seems to mention yeah at all he does is all he does is get runners and winners stake winners and nobody I know heralds him and all and he's having a tremendous sale again. Yeah I mean the finally catching onto him. You know he was hit from hits really from the very beginning came out of nowhere he was the horse that Doug Coffin and the Doug Darby and people kind of put together to to scan their offered with the shady upside a program that be weighing spendthrift pioneered biggest success story of that of course is into mischief but this we've got a lot of marriage a and it did well extremely well. I believe we only started off for seven five hundred now he's standing at a level befitting his success and I think it's also catch up I noticed while going through the catalog that the the the quality of marriage that he's been bred to has improved drastically as well so your point about can't theros and and the best still ahead of him I'd make that bet about dialed into because the marriage I saw this in in the book and I go through every single and I just Kinda noted mentally would stallion but dialed. I've been getting some very very good. Bears finally really good Maritz. They still didn't have good marriage in this sale that he will have an upcoming sales but the dial then have reached that point and and so I think you're gonNA get a big move up from him and I think the the the prices are reflecting those better pedigrees it now those are the those are the ones that I you know as I look through particularly the we mentioned a lot that that mostly had horses that started started show up a little bit too but but really mostly book three and and then yesterday the first session of book four and the bargain shopping you can't even call it bargain shopping said because you know we're still getting a three fifty to five hundred thousand dollar purchases and you the while the while the session leaders. Are you know we'll continue to trickle down there's going to be individuals that that pop here the next couple of days and I wanna hit and of course you don't forget we've got all the all the pin hookers now swinging into action and I I actually did did a couple of searches. I was very curious to see and and you know I looked at Eisenman and Randy Bradshaw I also looked at some of the the big agents like bent glass and Ben mcelroy because it's always interesting. I bring it up for you. Every year about who they're who they're buying and Eh what first crop stallions have caught their eye at of course Ben Glass. There's no there's no outfit like like Gary West and his interests every single hip a cold again th they just are only interested in classic horses my count. I've got four candy rides. Three three cents is to quality roads to union rags. I think to American Pharaohs one American Pharaoh actually an empire maker ago sapper to go sappers and Bernardini had an uncle alkyl that operation. I can actually give you a little inside insistence. We do vice them. before the sale Gary and Ban Ben want from us not only who we liken this sale but a detail on classic ability distance ability and you're only looking at colts they rarely by a young sire with American Pharaoh. They've made an exception because his he's an exceptional horse so they're all colts they've all got it kicks the box of being able to stay the trip. That's what they're looking for and Yeh Gerry the West are big buyers as every year at Keeneland that's where they that's where they're by and for for guys like the West they're. They're these private room the keeneland if you've ever been there you'll you'll you'll see like alphabetically lettered eight AAC too I in I two whatever and usually room h is west room and I was summoned their tweak Gary wishing I had to death and then there's been glad is it's of course then only Biza Gary. There's DOC BRONC that their vet that they bring in from Omaha great guy full beard tax You wouldn't think he's a vet when he's in a UH. He's in their bennies and their Jeff Kirk Jeff breaks all your yearly. He's there sometimes does will step in board boards voices and so they they go they nick system then go through every copay you're interested in and basically that's how it works and you know that's how they got for example game winner candy ride that they purchase one hundred ten thousand we'd like on pedigree but they have to like doctrine cats like on on the on the veterinary issue ben glasses got like again and his team on the physical and then Gary West shifts there and goes to every single horse to and you know if if GATT with something comes up with Gary doesn't like it he says patch next tours and that's how it works and Gary actually sitting in there with them and it's always amazed me because his billionaire goes walks out. He's walking around. He's in a you know dressed in a t shirt shirt and jeans. You'd never noticed them and I'm always amazed that he just walked through the Qinglin Rox through through the barnes and nobody has any idea that this guy you know high network guy from San Diego actually in the trenches during the kind of stuff but he's just got an incredible passion for the game and unfortunately C- you know it's would unfortunately what happened with maximum security ready he's been misunderstood come across not as Gary what I know but he's come across doc in the social media were torched and in various press stories. You know some kind of petulant billionaire that didn't get his way. That's that's really not the case about it. if you know the guy well as I do which far from the case but but I feel like I've never been able to really address as a conflict of interest on social media but I thought throw that out right now. It's just just the meet with him. Now it is amazing. I have seen him a lot aww settings and always very very casual with the a Lotta Times that gray zip up sweatshirt the he's just not what your you know what you expect in fact we were at said Santa Anita Yeah and there was the day I think it was the day after what was it the day after the this Santa Anita Derby may be on the Sunday a Rainey's about two years ago. I think maybe it was American. Freedom broke his mate and walked with the with baffert down and I barely looked to baffled left and there was there there was scary and he's wearing a sweatshirt and down for the photograph but the the contest to he's a big player that was it just these kind of low key and and you know I ah sort of to echo what you just said to one of the one of the side effects or or or side a residual effects of of everything that's gone on. This year is to give people an impression. That really isn't fair of him. This has been torturous and I can't imagine I mean because you know for years. We've talked about their buying approach and their operation and Ben has has been bent glass himself has been so generous to come on and talk about the you know what what they're trying to do and the classic interests and and they've had success obviously and they've put I would say second only Ziad in in recent memory in terms of producing sires which is always always a side goal for for operations like this for owner older mission statement purposes and people. I think just who really didn't know Gary West. They've got this now. This impression that that really is an accurate completely accurate and you know to add to that Steve Gary Gary and Mary West and Gary You know Mary Loves Racing Gary Absolutely insane about it and he has a bucket list of four races tiller of which he's one which the breeders risk of juvenile and the travers the other two races are the Kentucky Derby and the Buddhist of classic he had shocked going into last year west coast of course sources that didn't happen he did win the the juvenile again with game winner he'd already wanted with new New Year's Day and then of course the derby which he went into winter dirk. Oh he had everyday every day and then boom you have to leave your not the winner so was viscerally for him. Actually we've been being in the winner's circle and then being taken out that was a big shock that people don't understand to you. You've done this whole thing. Get to where you want to achieve your goal. You feel like you've gotten there and then physically taken out I think when you factor that kind of thing into it any competitive guy he's also guy you know just real quickly he and his wife they sold their business and you know for a couple of billion dollars then all the doing aside from racing the last two years the Gary Jerry West Foundation dedicated. They've already given away like two hundred million doing dollars to philanthropists their entire existence right now is to give money away for the care of the elderly and that's really what they did. The people understand that these you know these are major philanthropists and you know I was in the room with Gary at at one point. I don't know if giving away too much information but ben comes running over to me any goes you you know guaranteed to talk to you and I said to Gary Ice at the bed and they said where he goes in the room goes well when are we. When are we all going into something you now? I'm just finishing up this smoke and he said just finishing up but we're not all going just you are walking yeah Gary and Gary we had you know they're obviously had some talks walks about some stuff but you know one of the things that did come up in conversation was he had some interesting things. Thanks for telling me which is which is actually going to be the basis of my next column nothing one coming up today diene or this week but in two weeks he's got something he wants to talk about in terms of the Derby but not in a way you'd expect and if he doesn't tell anybody else this article I'm about. I'M GONNA write. It would probably be the first time it's been said so. I'm not going to give away the the Einstein but he does have something to say about it but he's a very very straightforward guy and if you have a second one other anecdote we were another another time. I was in the room with them. You Know Ben point Gary Questioning about sale you know of nears gator Brazil and and then and I had been in that room when the agents came in to make that deal you and you know we like maximum security we obviously it's just sit in the meeting the horse but we never expected that he was going to be Derby wherever you see but you know Gary said straight up these it looks it next time you ever have a feeling about it or don't be afraid to say hey don't sell it or keep it or whatever and you know. He's just that kind of guy he he's not a yes man in other words. He doesn't WanNa hear from guys what they think you want to hear a lot of billionaires that way in there they usually followed by Coterie of advisers and people that say yes yes yes but Gerry's. He's one of those guys who said look. Tell me what you really think you know that's that's why that's what I'm interested in and so having known the Guy I know how well how misunderstood he is and how unfair unfairly in my opinion he did in the media I. I'm glad we didn't this was this was sort of a Yes yeah exactly but I I'm delighted to in in fact I I. I'll direct people. If they WANNA look I 'cause I looked up just now at listening to you West Health Dot Org if you WanNa learn more about what Gary Mary West are doing doing in the pursuit of of giving elderly higher. They don't have kids essentially SALITA setup the foundation the boat seventy two youthful seventy twos. They're interested in taking care of older people especially homeless people people that don't have actions that are falling through the cracks of government programs and essentially what they're going to do. They're giving away their entire fortune. That will be dispersed. They have no children so that's that's what's in there well and that's how it's all set up interesting and I I knew that they they had a foundation but did not know about the tie specifically to to the aging and stuff talking to somebody in a personal level I hear the passion that he talks about taking care of people of giving back to society all value. You and I both absolutely respect obviously and say oh you speak speak the guys on non worst related stuff about their passions and you hear about this kind of stuff and so oh I can understand in my case I know more about Gary West than the average guy and having dealt with him I know how extraordinarily generous that she is and what a caring person that he is in terms of justice humanity so when I see these jarring stuff about about it you know I know it's such saying either I know glad we. I'm glad we went in this direction. I want to mention a couple other couple of other notes before we wrap up and that includes I mentioned Jeff Bloom and watching and we we spoke to Jeff at length a couple of weeks ago heading toward the sale and and I mentioned visa and and the announcement from last week but I I I was I was curious what he had done so far and he's been active virtually from from day one of the sale and ah he's bought hips eighty nine one hundred two hundred eight thirty to fifteen hundred sixteen hundred three sixteen hundred four sixteen hundreds. It's a two thousand twenty four hundred and twenty five hundred so pretty much you know he shopping daily but said it's notable. How disciplined Bloomberg is he has not bought a horse for more than one hundred fifty five thousand he is stuck to that budget that has been so so successful for him and he's bought the cheapest thing he's bought a Tis now philly for forty thousand he's got a fifty thirty thousand dollar union rags a sixty five thousand dollar spikes down to ninety five thousand dollar mineshaft coal and then one two two three four five six seven hips from one hundred thousand to one fifty five and so despite knowing that there's a payday coming at the end of the visa for him and his partners he is maintaining the discipline that has yielded horses like midnight be sue and and Henley's joy and snapper sinclair and on and on and you know this is this is sort of a counter cultural approach to you know the different layers? I mean reporters got his. He's got his range McGreevy. He's got his range and for Jeff Bloom he he keeps picking out what must be horses that might have a blemish or two because obviously those are nice pedigrees degrees and that's how he's been able to craft what what is as successful in operation right now is anybody's got a very great point that you you know. Did you just demonstrated especially comparing a different operations jeff bloom is your single hitter in the sense that he's looking for he's. He's very disciplined. Use Baseball analogy is very different than a very disciplined. He's looking to put the ball in play okay. He's looking to get on base. He's looking at put that ball in play. Take a guy a Gary West Virginia in Benton cracks operation operation. They're they're like Dave kingman. They're swinging defensive. They want that home run and so they may have the home runs they may not have the batting average okay different approaches for different people and that's a terrific example of a guy that staying disciplined that's will not the deviate from that approach will try to put that ball in play and won't chase pitches outside the strike zone it has paid off and the fact that you the fact that you buy you can buy just looking this roster a kitten's joy street cents fights down my shaft union rags empire maker American Pharaoh into mischief twirling candy awesome again Tis now and lemon drop kid notable that so far he is he is not two of any same stallion that that's interesting and he's bought the let's see one two three four five phillies and and one two three four five six seven colts and cumulatively. He's barely spent a million dollars a million million four give or take for for twelve hips with some of the most fashionable stallions available and I I mentioned when I when I say blemish you know these might be some some horses that some people are don't like this a -sarily that maybe they're a little little undersized right. Now and Jeff is counting on his ability to project what a yearling that where it is on the growth cycle that enables him you know to buy American fare over one hundred and forty thousand and to buy a union rags for fifty I mean this is what is so exciting and fascinating about particularly the yearling market as opposed to the two year old training sale where you really kind of know what you've got for the immediate future. You don't know what you've got your links able to the gift that that W- ah that buyers have and the or that buyers need is to look at a horse in September of their yearling year and be able to see what that horse is going to look like twelve months from now eighteen months from now two two years from now and that great great analogy realized I mean that's the that's the skill of the yearling buyers because it's all about rejection and it's not it's not the problem. It's not the product that you're looking at. It should again like baseball. You know you you scouting player fire scouting a high school guy or college guy whatever and basically you're looking at the projections as you get the power level which is like a two year old sale L. U. Projection is closer to reality but when you're talking about a teenager in high school that's why you give sometimes a lot of money for certain high school prospects is because of that projection. It's not because because of what that guy is doing in front of you and with a guy like bloom he's making a career out of getting guys that may have been overlooked in college is not going to be High Grand Jack Pick but those guys and he's shown me with the track record. Those guys are are solid. Guys are able to produce and for partnerships like that. That's what you want. You want. Keep that churning. Can you want that hyper percentage of state sources that you can get to the track with and and really a great point in your part to show basically the skill involved in being able to project and take horses that others may have overlooked. That's that's really the key because some of these midnight zoo is the perfect example. you know she was cheat. bloom found the key you know in his in his in his in his I found what other buyer has overlooked and of course that's when you have a when you have an I like that you're able to Conan every year and you know what issues you can live with you know what is she can't which applies to everybody but especially when you're buying more expensive rubble and having type of success they bill speaks very highly. Ah of your skill well said we we covered a tremendous amount of ground here. I didn't think it's one of those. What are those conversations that just kind of rolls along? I can't thank you enough. We've got a lot to look forward to next week to make the final recap of of the sale and you know clearly the the health of the yearling market as a barometer her for the game the people that are at keeneland right now they are are marching forward so things have been very good and we'll watch for some of those bargain-hunters. If you heard Dale Romans on Monday Dale said he loves this part of the sale book five and and six he says I'm just standing there. If I see oars going for too little money just going to buy it and that that's that's the tail end you gotTa. Have you gotTa have some stick to witness so we'll see how the last couple of days ago and of course we'll be recapping that Pennsylvania Derby and Castilian the last big three-year-old exclusive opportunities of the year on the main track will l. look forward to coming back next Wednesday and we'll talk more than never know what comes up when when I speak to you and it's always a pleasure what everybody this is a key time of the year as you get ready for your meetings and work with Said said at work thoroughbred consultants five one zero four nine eleven eleven and another reminder those of you that are going to be that are standing stallions especially Ashley Regional Stallions that need a boost and need support and you want to make sure that your stallion is getting attention. yeah the absolutely need to be in the INEX- system and get your stallion enrolled and call thank you for that that that absolutely definitely do that now's the time because people are are looking at the sales numbers and they're making decisions but you gotTa have your styling in the system that to get got a score for your for your cross said Fernando everybody thanks a lot brought to you by Hillsdale and the sale going quite nicely for Johnson Qura and the team. 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In The Gate #408 - Hog Heaven

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In The Gate #408 - Hog Heaven

"Will it be hog heaven, Louisiana? We'll chat with Vicky Foley trainer of Louisiana derby contender, hog creek hustle. Plus, a reset of the wider Kentucky Derby picture and will examine the changes coming at Santa Anita both the immediate situation and the bigger picture. It's all straight ahead on this edition of indicate. They're about to be. Straights? This is in the gate. ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast by name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on Twitter at Abrahams boys or on Facebook at Barry Abrams, boys. You could also get us on our YouTube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can get us on soundcloud as well. Get us at the I tune store or tune in dot com. You can get us on that little pink pod catcher app on your phone. Didn't even know you had. And now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN app for the full in the gate experience of scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN app as the winter reluctantly gives way to spring in much of the nation. We have reached the start of the final round of preps for the one hundred forty fifth Kentucky Derby that begins with the Louisiana derby on closing weekend at the fairgrounds. All eyes will be on risen star stakes winner war of will who sits atop the Kentucky, Derby point standings with sixty. If he stays healthy. He's guaranteed. A starting spot for. The big one the others in Louisiana need to earn their way in including the fourth place finisher in the risen star, Haag creek, hustle hustle. Roles from the fire outside off the turn classy John still in front front by three classy, John all by himself down inside all Greek coastal with a fine finish pug, Greek Costa was way behind and his first under the lair Greek customer by three off creek hustle comes in with two wins a second and third in six career starts. His trainer is Vicky Foley who's nice enough to spend a few minutes with us Iran in the gate. He's a closer drops way out of it early and comes with one run at the end. So I'm guessing the far outside eleven post is not all that big a problem for you. Right, right. I'm not, you know, nad set about eleven whole eleven holes five day at you know, we've got it up run into the turn that we could get position and not have any horses at a bad on the inside. He's been competitive in three starts already at the fairgrounds. Third in the sugarbowl in December second in the Lecomte and fourth in the risen star. Unfortunately for you. You've had the deal with war of will in the Lecomte and the risen star. Do you try to keep hog creek causing a little closer up than usual? So that war of will doesn't get away. Well, we're going to be more into the race. We wanna be closer be better position probably about seven eight late off of it and sit of twelve or thirteen his last Ray going into the first time he got taken back, and you know, we don't want that we're gonna let him get in position. And then just stop and close there's enough speed on the inside of peak horses got seed and gay, of course, war will. And been a Todd Pletcher sports. But I think they'll be enough feet up front that will have the fractions. It'd be good. And we'll have something to run down your second generation trainer. For those of our listening audience who don't know Vicki Foley's, father Dravo trained in Kentucky and don't horses that race there as well. As in Ohio and Michigan tracks that don't exist anymore, by the way, one of her siblings. Greg is also a thoroughbred trainer. What was it like growing up around your dad's raise horses? Well, we grew up traveling with my dad in the summertime and going to Ohio when we were the youngest. And then when we were young teenagers. We went to Michigan, and we would spend our summers they're working for my dad and started out walking horses. We were walking horses when we were seven eight years old, and we enjoyed it. And you know, we grew up learning from the bottom walking horses, grooming, horses, we did everything, but we didn't we didn't Gallup horses. We stay on the ground. You didn't have any trouble at AJ cut controlling twelve hundred pound animal that could do what he or she wants. No because we grown up around him. And we weren't scared. And you know, it was a really tough fourth. My dad, wouldn't you know, he let someone else handle it. But you know, we learned from the best and he taught his wells several years ago, you told a reporter from Sports Illustrated, Billy read that in your early days as a trainer you'd had a horse removed from your care and given to a male trainer now owner's move horses from trainer to trainer all the time. Did you get the sense back then in the eighties that you lost the horse specifically because of your gender? No. I don't believe it was because of my gender if it was because of the the hearts of Billy Motte, he was very successful trainer Churchill down. And it was quite a blow to my ego at the time. But my got over it. And and blue dawn traitor. Vicky fully joins us here on individual down hog creek hustled in the Louisiana derby to take on war of will what is your experience been like lately as far as fitting in in a largely male dominated industry. You know, it's a tough business. I have been I believe, you know, very successful in my career. I've been training since nineteen eighty and I've always you know, ran forces where they belong and had a lot of the same owners. And that says a lot having the loyalty of them, and I'm still here and about you know, always had anywhere from twelve to fifteen horses. That was the MAC, but you know, had made a good good living doing that Android it. And it's exciting having a horse that is running in the Lisi, Anna derby and possibly onto the Kentucky Derby, we'll have a question about the Kentucky Derby, but one thing at a time here, how big a stable would you have if all things were in your favor is this. Size that you want somewhere between you know, ten twenty. Or would you rather have more? I would've liked to have had more in earlier years. Just because numbers it's nice to have numbers in your stable. It's tough to keep ten or twelve all going at same time. But it you know at the different ballgame. Now, the largest trainers, they have so many you're running against numbers, and it's tough to compete, and I've been able to say floats and compete with the biggest trainers around. And I'm proud of that, you know, on a previous show, we talked about how in Australia trainers are allowed to combine their forces without one giving up their license. They co train basically. Whereas here that means one trainer would have to give up the license because there can only be one trainer of record. Would you be open to the idea of combining your forces in your expertise in a larger operation? I don't believe. So I just like having mile stable and being able to make decisions and go from there Domus through track. Your pre cost quick turn of foot. It's hall. Pre kozel. Another fifty fully I or winning Ellis hall creek Cosa wins by just about a lake. Let's get back to hog creek hustle in Louisiana. You talked about wanting to keep him maybe a little bit closer. How has the fairgrounds track been playing these last few race days is playing to speed as a plane to closers is it fair? How do you think it's playing? Well, it's been muddy a couple of days, and of course, set places speed, hopefully, we're going to have an honest track on Saturday. That's you know, fair. It's not by that it'll be fair to everyone and again, but there's some speed to go with more of will. And keep him a little more on it. Have you will allow yourself to dream of what it would be like to experience the Kentucky Derby with a starter in the race. Well, it's very exciting. And it's a drink. Come true. If that happened, and we're looking forward to that happening. But I as I told another reporter, I really don't know exactly how deal so till I'm there, we certainly wish the best of luck. Thank you so much for a few minutes. Ms Foley, best of luck in the Louisiana derby. Thank you there. We're going to take a short break here on agape when we come back to dean of racing journalists Gary west resets the field. Now that we're entering the final round of France. Plus will discuss the impending changes at Santa Anita will they solved the immediate problem. And what will they mean in the long term? Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in toffee skates. Peak practiced and practiced unto one day when he was forty seven peak realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how DIKO proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out. Improbable long range Taty trying to gun him down in probable. Here's long range toddy Omaha beach pass midstretch now a lengthen half game winner. Trying to have gun him down on the money and research says it's came time game winner Omaha beach right together in Omaha beach. I think he turned him away. What an incredible run by Omaha beach and amazing job of writing considering. I don't think Omaha beach would have beaten game winner if he hadn't gotten the jump going around that far turn it was an amazing race. I watched it on TV. But a better perspective would come from somebody who was there. And it is our absolute pleasure to welcome back. And it's been way too long. Our good friend, Gary west is with us the dean of racing journalists, Gary what was it like being there at Oaklawn park. Well, it was of course, huge crown beer, and I think very appreciative. Crowd for the superb racing. They saw and you're right Oma beach. Ran an incredible race. You know, he chased a sprinter for the opening half mile made lead after a half mile up. Four stakes races his half mile split was the fastest forty seven twenty nine. And then he just kept going and he did get the jump on game winner coming out of turn game. Win win the turnabout a link off the lead, and he's two links behind midstretch. And of course, will be held on to win by knows. And then it was another eight and a quarter links back to third so both those horses Omaha beaching game winner, I thought turned into per performances Omaha beach. He announced that he's a major player. No question about that game winner making his first start in more than four months. Actually. That's what you want to see for a three year old. You went to see duplicate his best effort. At two in his first start at three imen- on that foundation move forward. So I think game winner is beautifully positioned to move forward. If he can prove off that he's going to be tough to be in Kentucky. And I I think we have at least three Kentucky Derby contenders coming out of this rebel. And wouldn't be almost surprised if we saw the derby winner at Oaklawn park Saturday. Well, not only that I mean Omaha beach with a ninety six buyer now long range toddy who won the other division of the rebel earned a ninety five which is certainly in the ballpark of a'dirty winner. I think improbable who finished second to him is probably the better candidate going forward. I race off a long layoff. I think he is really prime to take a bigger step forward. How did you see that? I agree in Thailand. He would be the third horse of the horses in the rebel. That would have. I think very chancing Kentucky long wings Taty. I have to momentarily anyway praise this horse because you know, if you lined up twenty horses and picked out the best runners, you would probably pick him among the last couple. Let me phrase that I would pick him among the last of the twenty he is an unprepossessing horse. He doesn't look like a runner, but he is all runner he's just very determined. And you just have to love worsens like that he was compromised in the smarty Jones stakes by speed bias. And he got a photo. He was stopped at the top of the lane in the southwest stakes still ran onto third and then he wins the rebel. But I agree improbable ran better race. Although he was beaten a neck. He was actually entering the first turn five he was four wide in the second. Turn long rings toddy was the two path. Most of the way you angled out the top of the lane, but improbable ran about five or six links farther than wrongly toddy and not too far. Fault Drayton Van Dyke. He was on a two to five shot. He wrote him like a two five shot at getting clear, and the last thing you want it was getting stopped and and get his momentum interrupted, and he actually he actually made the lead midstretch. And I thought he galloped out well, yellow doubt actually beyond long range Taty so going forward improbable, I think is is going to be the better of the two by far. And I right now suggests that Improbable's gonna come back to Oakland park and win the Arkansas Turbie now we have seen by the way for point of comparison, Omaha beach and ninety six buyer long range toddy ninety five we have yet to see a Kentucky Derby contender earn a one hundred buyer and by point of comparison justify last year's triple crown winner his first four races, including his career debut were all over a hundred which is just incredible. But now every derby potential contender has run at least once. This year. We talked about the ones who ran at Oaklawn park who else. Really catches your fancy will. Will you write that nobody has really sparkled so far this year? And and I think that the Kentucky Derby winner is going to be a horse that is going to have to run much better than he's running right now. In other words, the determining factor will be who improves the most over the next month and a half. And I I like code of honor a great deal of youth winner. Although we had a perfect rip at Gulfstream Park in scroll puts away global campaign. Now, he has to deal with Komen inside Kotor and code of honor means business. He's in the clear, and Shelly some favorite is a turn for what's their quarter mile to go in the fountain of youth hidden, scroll Dixie of code of honor blows past and Kotova is onto the front hidden school trying to hold on a second. Here's bourbon war unleashing a big run down the center, but toad about her. It's going to hang on to win the. Of us three points of when I saw him at two he was a little bitty horse who was just kind of a quick and agile in athletic, but in the fountain of youth. He took a big step forward. He he's a much more mature bigger stronger. More at grasses. I I was very impressed with him. And he's a late foal, by the way, he's may full. So he's gonna continue to get better. And I'm very impressive hidden scroll. Although he lost the fountain of youth this lightly race Colt who was right on the pace there that was a hot pace, and he didn't totally surrender. He's going to improve in the Florida derby war of will the horse that won't to risen star New Orleans gun. It's target for Worrell will who's making his move right now at the quarter pole will leads them to the fairground stretch at swallow will staying on his country house, don't take up appeals charging on the outside, hog creek hustle. They commissar the final sixteenth. That's will chase stole by country. House has the sixteenth. It's more. Of will or will from country house, then boy land war of will walls and won the star from country house. He wins his racist for fun. I'm eager to see him be tested and to see what he can. He can come up with you know, it's it's wonderful to see such great trainers as Bill Mont. And of course, Richard Mandella have contenders Mont has to not only hidden spill also pacifists. The winner of the Tampa Bay derby. He I thought Rian well, but he's got a step up his game. If he's going to go to the first team, and and he might be able to do that as well. He's a lightly race coat dome. Such so those are the ones that have caught my eyes so far we're talking with the great Gary west here on the gate now, of course, the reason the game winner and improbable both rand it. Oaklawn park, the reason there were two different races called the rebel stakes is because of the problems that continue to plague said Anita the racetrack closed because of twenty two fatalities that have. Word there since the start of the meat on December, the twenty six there have been some new regulations put in place, and those regulations seemed to be changing by the day, but it will involve at some point maybe not this year. But at some point a banning of the race day medication Lasix, which is a huge controversy here in the United States. The United States will North America is the only place where Lasix is allowed and there are other regulations happening. Here's the question. Gary west, you have such a long view of how all of this works is one the deaths at the track really related to the other. The administering of Lasix on brace day. We'll be be breakdowns in in southern California. At Santa Anita reflected a breakdown of the entire industry. It's a stain on the sport. And certainly staying on on Santa Anita. But I think it's a very complex problem and needs to be analyzed when the twenty second horse had a catastrophic breakdown and was euthanized. I think her name was Princess be the strong leader. Belinda Stronach of the at group announced the the the ban of Lasix in and the ban of the whip. And and hurry ashen was driven. I think by panic and understandably vivid by panik, what we need is a reaction that is driven by science and data and take a reason to protest the banning of Lasix. I don't understand that at all. Because none of these injuries. At anything to do with Lasix could see limiting some anti inflammatory medication. And in fact, I think the thoroughbred owners of California have now reached an agreement with the Staunton group and basically banned for two year olds next year and the Lasix level of medications. Ten CC's will be have for the horse, and that's reasonable. But also there are a number of other pota- call changes that are going to employ such as trainers have to apply forty eight hours in advance work Hortus in the morning. And I think these horses will be examined in terms of the medication. They've us in terms of workout patterns. And of course, the racing surface is the the one commonality everyone's looking at perhaps, you know, it never rains in southern California was the assumption. But it doesn't mean in southern California and this past few months, rain, a great deal. Thirteen inches or more on Santa Anita and branch this surface can't handle that much rain on those days just need to cancel racing. That would be an approach. I think many people would welcome. But it's up to the entire industry to look at this and to accept responsibility. It's not just saying Nita. It's not just the the race track owners. It's also the horse owners trainers and even fans and the betting public who make the man's on these forces who are incredible creatures that define themselves. Discover themselves for our entertainment, we all have a responsibility to ensure their safety. So you're assuming that all these fractured divisions of this industry are going to work together. And the last time that happened was when. Well, that's a good point. That's a good point this industry is I think handcuffed by its its lack of cooperation, and if any comes from this, it's it's that the alarms are ringing everywhere. I think the industry's looking at itself or clearly and candidly than in the past. And I think we'll take some some action we have detailed on this show the push particularly in South Africa to do away with a riding crop. They card some race tracks. Now, what are called hands and heels races, meaning no riding crop and the riding crop may be a thing of the past in California. Once again does this have anything to do with what has happened. I don't know that has to be studied to my knowledge, none of these horses that wrote them were under the whip when it happened. But that doesn't mean that that the the the whip is a contributing factor to breakdowns the new agrees like that's the Whipple. Only be used as a corrective measure a corrective safety measure that will be very difficult to enforce. So we'll see how that goes victory. Spinoza hit American Phero thirty some odd times in the stretch of the Kentucky Derby or else, they might not have been a triple crown winner that year. Yes, it's as I said the quip Whipple be used as a corrective safety measure. But does that mean the argument I had the whipping where they were gonna run over the top of me that argument justified. So I don't know. This is very interesting. It changes by the minute. And no matter when we post a show, it seems. It'll be dated almost immediately thereafter. This is a very fluid situation. But a wonderful perspective from somebody who has seen so much of this industry. Gary west is such a pleasure to have you back. Thank you so much as always very, thank you. And I I enjoy always talking. Our thanks to Gary west into Vicky Foley sports betting legal or otherwise is a thriving industry. Because a gambler thinks he knows more than the rest. He doesn't have to work that hard to find vailable data interpreting it provides the acid test. 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Podast 613  Iboga and Ibogaine

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Podast 613 Iboga and Ibogaine

"Or below archer j l h greetings from cyber delic space this is lorenzo and i'm your host here in the psychedelic salon today i'm a i'm gonna play recordings and i made last week during our live monday night salon in in our guests were levi barker and gary west who called in from deep vogel wellness center in costa rica now levi barker is they trained vogel provider indie muskoka wiki tradition endless train to serve the medicine by temps generation weedy sherman wildly bogle wellness center was founded by gary west end it is the longest running show monica you build a retreat center in the western hemisphere one of the topics that we discussed concern thirty different ways in which the plant you boga is used in spiritual healing when compared with ways in which evil game which is one of eleven active alkaloids in boga ways in which is used to heal opioids and other addictions now while you most likely new this already well for me this was the first time that i clearly understood the difference between the uses of boga plant itself an eagle game but rather than have me tell you some more about are conversation why don't i just begin playing tonight we we a as as everybody knows we got the you're cooking levi barker here with an there there are a you're coming to us from me iva gain wellness a aibo go well wellness center in costa rica in a i i'll tell you the truth i know not too much about the wellness center other than what i've been able to redone lee on the web in so i gonna start out with a maybe a levi in gary a telling us a little bit about how they they came living in rica at a vocal wellness center in i don't mean to you know when i watch you guys know is i i try to keep it kinda lighthearted here sure we we talk about heavy topic that i'm always kind of light hearted and so this is this just in the form of a joke i don't mean to insult you but i i noticed from the two of you don't look like either of you were born the bond john in their in their mentioned that is i've been getting a lot of people who have been getting a lot of flack from women lately that there are a everybody a speaking are old white men so after that i to require i'm not gonna go festivals conferences anymore but i'm wondering how are you all written before we get into how you got there how are you all a receipt bradley a but we keep people in the bond as part of the work that you're doing go levi you wanna go ahead and go okay no that i yeah except did very very well you know in in the tradition in the media tradition at least are part of it which is called missile club weedy on you know they really we really look at everybody justice brothers and sisters in a no separation on their skin color and they only requirement is you know you're coming the lovingly boga into 'em use it as a tool to improve your lifestyle now there you whenever we go to the bone making hardly even lift a finger 'em they they really value ss gas and just appreciate it as coming in think it's really cool that were there and we wanna do the same thing the data and a so yeah no yeah we love them and they love us that's that's really wonderful the hearing and and a glance reinhardt actually in fact a you know that that breathing a little bit of a very brief a bio so you have on your website a it seems like the both of you kinda come from the same a background that we we all are coming from where all seeking something in in some of his stuff had difficult alliance up till now and on and on and it sounds like that's kind of what happened the two of you so why don't you take charge them telling us how how you got down to costa rica doing the work that you're doing bali gary gary started you like jack gary yeah well a fair number of years have been interested in spirituality reality am who i am why i'm here things like that and i was interested in shamanism is well and a shorter term inning with i ask a pedro how long ago was a scary as about ten years ago okay okay in a room you're living in the united states and yes the massachusetts okay 'em so anyway a i have two sons a wonderful man a but my oldest oldest son kind of a in his late teens took a dark past and ended up an opiate addicks 'em so about fifteen years into edgy came to my wife and i explaining tom brady was and is not doing well and didn't know what to do so a because of my background in shamanism and you know wanting just human nature both physically and spiritually you know we chose to come cheer the costa rica to a place called boga how now now this is before you had had even tried emojis shop that's correct okay but you had used by alaska yeah so how do you say lasca five times three m so you know i came with my son to support him through the process and i also came from myself speakers well i'm a never really get it satisfied that seeking a within me so i found and then all the only answer chain and it was really quite remarkable to have that happen for me and also to watch my son transform in like a week long series that rapidly yeah oh yeah and this is like after fifteen years have been addiction this it is wow all right but we think you know the the magic ingredient is actually will you know how much do you wanna you know and when you put that together with boga you got six basically you know but i won't go against someone will you don't wanna do anything you know gary i'm really really pleased that you brought that out because i've i've had some experiences myself with with the various people that were close to that i really want it they help but they were not ready in at least not raise listen anything i had to say in an so i i understand what you're saying that while this can a be a a a half way or a doorway to a better mental health a you got to ask for first correct right and you know ask for it in industrial sincerely want a change in right you know listen to what the medicine as the show you about how you can change the un acting on what tell us a little bit about this though you're first time down there what you're on what what took place how did it how long were you there and what what how many ceremonies if any did you have etc okay 'em we were there for eleven days a so immediately when my son rides like you you're taking his last a all right as we got on the plane a at lana come down because the rica and so by the time we got there he is going to withdraw and so my teacher magenta is the sharman working there you know immediately gave some boga and it took about five days the constantly seeing the get dressed and then another couple of days kind of wind down in a greater level and yeah it and you know it's just so impressed a mighty jury you stayed up with my son for five nights in a row end so you're you're son actually consumed boga her five days in a row yeah well yeah 'cause you know what i've seen working in opiate addiction things that 'em it's almost like an accident base reaction you know they both have potential rich mixing together neutralize each other so where we see where the guy's a summit comes in with a opiates in their system yet bogo will start to work on that you know a dissolves some of that turned inside gyms more boga jobs more solves more essentially the withdrawals are gone and the physical aspect of the healing is pretty much how how did you find the sherman in the first place all online and just searching around in i wouldn't brawler options you know we were first looking at hybrid gain places a at a at didn't appeal to me because i didn't see the spiritual healing r n this is a good good price place to i explained the difference between i boga and i've a game treatments 'em yeah well a you know a boga is a a plant the naturally grows over in the countries of the bone cameroon congo and a drunk people the people there have been working with it for a long time andy discovered do you know the wonderful properties of it in a really created a whole culture around it that they're more recently willing to share that with outsiders now is it is it mainly a boy keep tribe and boehner or do other people in the bone participate would i bogus ceremonies yeah it's probably not understand or best understood not a think of it so much as a tribe hounded why you know to to myself i've been over there and met a lot of a breezy and it it basically means someone that's willing to use the koga to find the answers to study life 'em and it's not like hey as an individual individual driver community in read the first round the country yes in a and there's various sexton people 'em ceremonies a little bit different whatever but a you know the group that we're gonna call soco ricky and are primarily focused on healing mhm now now do they when when you say they focus on healing what a in in their society they are they a you know victims of stress in in some of the same things that we have here in north america or or do they have different kind of a state mental anguish that it goes through 'em didn't didn't see a lot of stress when i was there i've done over there three times and people are pretty pretty relaxed and it'll help well i guess my my question is a healing that they were doing what what what type of healing what what a reason for the healing were they were they using a a from what i understand a you know a lot of physical handling a machine hailing spiritual healing ancestoral feeling so so very very similar to a the work at a our heroes to in south america yes i think so i o n n n now they'll now be these center a where you are now is that the place that you and your son went a no okay the we we went there lower seven years ago and a we both were just blown blown away by the whole experience then decided the train become providers in both steady read the sharman there and a it wasn't a beginning of twenty fourteen then i start at a bug wellness center i okay now if you're involved with you well 'em not as much as i'd like a you know he's been six years clean a heroin now and you know that's that's the main question okay yeah no you you won't go near 'em and i don't i'm not worried that he ever would m he about well well actually went while he was still fanatics you got a bit by check and got lime disease and it didn't show up in his life until three or four years later he like a you know we got clean off heroin trained to be provider is like really had a daughter and just life couldn't have been better forum and then the lime disease heart crushing watch but he's he's coming around yeah that's that's a real real hard thing to a deal with i've i've had several relatives involved in it is so well listen hey levi we haven't had a chance to hear from you and you're the one that the kick this whole thing on so a a you wanna step in here now logan show go ahead sure oh yeah how okay yeah where where i got into boga so like so many people m you know i was also one defining bogus from from opiates so it's been close to eleven years ago now that i was on you know some points in my life i was okay in managing other times hours after the rock bottom and just using any opiates i could get you tried the methadone maintenance suboxone tried it all in a at one point i asked a friend who's really in the plant medicine really low knows a lot about the the person that i know that knows most about plants i asked there is anything that would help from it for for opiates and a he said yeah you boga and i remember the first time i heard that word that a like wow that sounds sounds very serious and i knew knew there was something there and so he actually said and i have some in i'll send it to you and so he did i was living in nicaragua at the time and 'em and so i just are not just the first year of my relationship with my my now wife who's costa rican the nicaraguan end a at the time the spanish wasn't so good i used to carry around a little handheld translator down there and so explain a bit of what was going on she could she got she got a okay idea but still wasn't quite sure you just don't see a opiate problems much in latin america maybe maybe in a you know a mexico or columbia there's some of that in the cities that in in in at least in central america that you just don't see problems of the opiates end a so let her know that you know i would be going through this experience so i take a couple of nights and you know i may need help to the bathroom and so you know looking back i was i was pretty pretty brave but how is that the point where i was willing to do whatever whatever it took to 'em you know stop abusing myself and so i asked my friends to what what do i do any and he had sent me quite a bit buggy said just down here in lay down and try not to move your head that was my my only instructions and and so a how you did i did that on my man no i do yeah i did i did i confess i make my way my my the whole way through it that's tricia there is plenty any leftover end 'em any anyways so i you know i i did that and it's a it's a pretty grilling three nights like saying you know his son went about five nights without sleeping i went three nights and that's pretty typical where people would the you know withdrawing like that end i it it works it got me physically clean where i felt good afterwards and was a you know didn't sylvie 'em the need to go back but at the same time a you know us opiate addicks you know we really mask a lot of emotions all of a sudden i'm having these emotions that you know i was running from for for all those years and so that's you know got past the big while the work release started their end 'em about a year and a half later that same friend went to to the spot quality boga houseware jerry was talking about where we met art teacher he went there and 'em and i i they were mcgann dyer teacher was just serving out route park at the time my friend who's also a chemist said hey you know it would be good for her some of these people especially people that are withdrawing to make a total outlaid extractors using vinegar and some again it wasn't idea and i was living in nicaragua so my friend went back down the show him how to do it and invited me down just help out so there you know grinding granting herbs all all day in a stirring stuff and just a helping them out and so i got to know art teacher and then started coming down to a man to do some ceremonies with him and i got through a few of those and i was doing a internet marketing at the time so i started doing some marketing for the site he was just getting rolling a it wasn't it wasn't a real big for him yet and 'em and so you know one of the year after that after getting a bit of marketing at the spot certainly did get popular and i heard it by him training some different people in when i heard that i had known for the first time i had the medicine that a like saying it was just so magical that that i wanted to work with it and so when i heard about the training i asked him in surprisingly at the time where i was in my life you said yes and so i went to a trained with him over several several years a you know for three weeks at a time 'em here they're still running a business so i wasn't all the way in and 'em then about four years ago i had known known for all these slash ten and a half years is that i wanted to work with medicine 'em but it just wasn't rider ready in about four years ago got a very clear call where my whole life started shifting in that direction without a me than a yet consciously happening i was just getting pushed in that direction and so i had known gary we had become friends from from a from the house and a got in touch with him in in a you know he would he would just getting getting a wellness center was just starting to a do well and they need some extra helping us fortunate enough to get in at the right time and start doing more ceremonies with them in a and now that's when gary sons jeff was there and a yeah just a beautiful beautiful work in a has been the best decision i've ever made in my life and helping you a vet autumn you eventually did go to the bones referring to is that right yes definitely definitely went to pick a bone a couple of times now 'em an dab yeah it's really cold the cr art teacher in action you know the system that we used was developed by him which works really well for her westerners it's a it's a melting of you know the the brady tradition in and some shamanee aspects of that but then also 'em you know helping people get through these western problems that we that we have to do is like you were mentioning you know whereas more stress anxiety a probably a lot harder on ourselves and so he developed that that system and a andy yet definitely you know when you go over there at i mean you're you know training or or provider at the time yeah it's pretty it's pretty intense then he's he's showing you a lot of really valuable stuff you know a a levi and you may don't wanna answer this but the reason i'm asking is a good significant portion of are are listeners here in the minor under thirty five but there are some a old guys like myself i am a one of the questions a i have because i know how it could happen to me but how how old how easy is it to slip into an opioid addiction how does how does that take place you know if somebody d a parents and grandparents listening right now but what do they need to be aware of the white how or why someone would search slipping into a serious addiction yeah oh man in it yeah so ramp at these days and i kind of caught it right when you know the first wave of all these opiate addiction came up and like so many people i broke my risk snowboarding and have dinner surgery on it and got prescribe words have an you know started taking that and start enjoying the feeling to where i was you know physically good with my risk but still have that feeling and so yeah really the prescriptions are are are big culprit and a lot of it not no hardly anybody i know would go straight hair when so many people come through the prescription drugs and yeah then they they can't get them or you know their doctor cuts them off in a that's when you you turn to the you know the street opiates and a i i would imagine you know a very large portion of of people start that way so you know i if somebody is having a major surgery where they're like really really pain which which i was no maybe use unfair to free for days on you know but then i would really watch a any any further use of a painkiller isn't that just now once you're through that i would dump them out and 'em in yeah get get him get him out of the get him out of the house that's for sure but what happens is people you know going through something physical where they they need that and it gives them released but then they also start noticing like you know emotions through the surgery or adult down you know a you know maybe you're not being as a maybe you're you're not stressed as you thought you would be because you're out of work in condition people start realizing there's a scape there so 'em you know it it doesn't take long to the learn to use that as a mask or other things going on in her life so m yeah yeah but it's definitely something they really really careful or you know i i could see how that would have could have easily happen to me because i'm one of those people who you know taking something that makes you feel good i wanna keep doing doing it but you know over the years i've i've learned to a temper myself as somewhat but you know back when now in the sixties when i was in the navy i i ruptured my bendix ruptured in any were quite in colin they restrict rivers long and they didn't yup you know there's a lot of compromise a i never got any pain medicine other than what came through and ivy drip they never gave me a hillsdale anything in two days after i got out of the hospital they put me on a plane in in who made vietnam and catch my show so i did have the luxury of getting addicted there's something but i i'll tell you what i know enough about myself that if if i had been given a opioids which they were worthy given back then i could see how easily i i could get a sack in something like that you know it's it's not the it's not a just addictive personality those things are very should so you know the duck devon i've been fortunate in that i never liked opium of smoke opium in in various the orange of it and i'll never tried heroin but a vip i never attracted me like a psychedelic stu so i was fortunate that regard but that said i could see also how it would be really easy for somebody like me to a slip into that haven't yet yeah there's one thing fair whereas the listeners to understand is you know you guys are advocating really no got its name off of being the only thing in the world that could help people get through opioid withdrawal you know in a in a painless fashioned are not painless but you know really just cut out at least ninety ninety five percent of what somebody is going through but this medicine is really for or anything burst startling west in life where the direction we're looking for like currently eighty bogle wellness we were just not set up for it and especially with the medical yes we don't actually treat people going through a detox anymore or we do recommend is then going to and i began clinic and then coming the cs so you know everybody that we get currently is is clean from drug so we certainly get some people that have you know two weeks among clean but most people are really coming you know rhythm questioning anxiety ptsd you know past abuse that some sort of a a lot of like a lot of people they're just really hard on themselves and can't operate cycle people looking their next direction in life this medicine israeli for everybody you know if it's if you're feeling stuck in looking person directions you know what we tell people is those those answers are already inside of us you they're they're but through different experiences you know we start creating the filter on top of connecting with ourselves in a you know the medicine is able to break through that that's really connect just off the game with yourself again and brings rain still i like know how life is going per per oneself and so yeah it's it really is for everybody you know this this'll be a good point to once more a it explained the difference between a bogus any game because because like many many people until recently last year show and learning more about the two substances i i confused as to and i use the term wrong a any you're talking about eat iva gain a clinics to help people get off particularly heroin addiction and i i know several people were successfully done that with the game but you are any bogus center which is more a me seems spiritual and psychic psychological a you wanna distinguish between the a little bit more sure sure so i can definitely understand why the game clinics used i became a you know it's an explain what i gained the difference between are bogus and are bugging yes so so 'em you boga i think has thirteen alkaloids and i've gained being one of them end so you know i think a french a prime apologist a is able to extracted now early nineteen hundreds early eighteen hundreds and a didn't get much attention until howard lost austin so without i would gain 'em works really really well sir sir yet detox and even and other drug detox is 'em but it is just the one the one alkaloid i think it moves through a un addicks system easier 'em physically whereas you boga i feel you get aid deeper deeper physical clint's with with their outrage doing their work and i will say i'm a i've never had i begin 'em so i i you know speaking on on what i feel and what i what i do about every game in which i begin they can they can get a lot more exact on the dosing if they're giving a person so i began clinic you know you'll people will be does based on there so many milligrams of i game per kilogram of body weight and so here we know everybody has a different tolerance the medicine and so everybody gets a bit different a dose depending on how they're reacting to the medicine we could connect with them and see were there at after a certain amount of time so on and the thing is he you boga is plant so in are tradition or many traditions we know that that they have the spirits of them and they have a codes inside of an coach tim nature in a you know obviously nature has a really high intelligence that we so high that we can explain everything in so 'em with the full tiny because i feel like you're accessing that on a deeper level and 'em and then one with the with the tradition on you know did you pull guy is the medicine of the bleeding and that's you know besides my first time doing a detox that's really all i've ever known about this medicine so really you bogan greedy from me really go hand in hand i can't really see them being separated 'em now that's not the say that you know a person couldn't get everything they need shirt from from my again i'm i'm sure they could just a different path to get there that you know that that of course i'm i'm a big believer in a the complete plant or medicine and i think that that just even on a a purely scientific basis synergy of those eleven alkaline other certainly gotta be some a synergistic effect but they have as well so i'm i'm a a real believer in the coal plant although i do a a appreciate the fact that i i've known a number of people who had a serious heroin addiction have been than centrally a i dunno if you wanna say sure but they haven't used heroin in a decade so i you know i i could see thee benefit of it more then just say you're g h seat taking out of canada because i think the synergistic effect of the cameras plant not mentioned the spirit of the of the cannabis plant has as a a great no benefit but a this is really fascinating to see that here is is a medicine this being a used in two different ways a healing two different really kind of aspects then and that it's one of the first times i've seen worthy pharmaceutical an extraction of a single alkaloid a has really been beneficial it's a pet absolutely that's a great analogy with the can of at and t h e as well so do do any of are a other a fellow gathers here there's a few dozen of us here would you anybody wanna i in my mind is lorenzo based on something that you just said a what what were your thoughts on lsd because that's just an isolated molecule you feel that there's a spirit in there i think a used the lsd a number of times correct yeah i i i was microdosing in the nineties actually in and i've used lsd hundreds of times a well i have to tell you that from my experience i've only had one experience out of hundreds of lsd experiences i would say worst spiritual most of mine i would relate more as mechanical i use it when writing code writing books but a from a spiritual aspect i didn't receive that mel sd but now to be fair a i never looked or mel sdb 'cause i had at mushrooms costco for my spiritual medicine so a i i i actually used dallas need or a as a tool to help my work so it it's a i never approached it from a spiritual aspects i'm probably mac young probably not the best guy as well thank you for the insight though so anybody else want to chime in here over available norway like the hair hair just gary in in leave i don't have the benefit of video so a houston coming in now it's also on the roads we have two people driving right now on go ahead i just parts so you know but i so i thank you guys for don't you do i think that's really awesome i also was exposed to yoga house online line many many years ago when i first started and i was watching though you chip best in money is really awesome so i unfortunately have not had the chance to try it and i'm probably going to contract you guys out 'em in the near future or maybe next year so but that being said my question is a do you guys educate yourself on the pharmacology and the physiology of the drug in the brain and so forth to help those people who therefore a psycho spiritual journey maybe like a like have a a deeper structure or framework of understanding what's going on that would be my question yes thank you thank you that would love to see you one day 'em are in her myself no really really we we don't i mean i know some of the basic from what i've read online line from a lot of the the bigger i i began groups and ice series and the advocating lance you know taking in that information on that are are are work with this medicine really comes from from the traditional place then and really accessing it more ask questions about life and direction in life and why things are the way they are an job so yeah no i i don't gary maybe they have some input on that and nothing the mind right now so i let me let me jump follow that up on what the a good question so what about the scenario of areas doing his thing right and you're talking and the people who were there and they're on board with all of your philosophy levi are like the way you're putting it in dealing with emotion and stuff like that but then you go well yeah this is gonna help you in the drug detox situation so you get one of those people that two weeks outright and they ask you a question how is that helping me physically like i would i would definitely incorporate that knowledge 'cause i like make you more factor of a practitioner robot whatever you're doing yeah yeah we definitely explain to them that it is gonna gonna reset the brain chemistry in with the medicine you could definitely feel that happening especially for the people that have that have recently detox on you can you know a lot of people describe it as showing the medicine in their brain just grabbing it plain inscribing throughout their body almost understand got cellular level but we do definitely let them know like hey you know you know we should say yeah we do that are like physiologically you know things are gonna be repaired synopses serotonin you're reno glands all those things are gonna get it get a kick start and that's really one of the reasons 'em people don't stay clean for a long period of time as they just never get quite fully back just feeling better so we definitely a you know guide them with letting them know that you're gonna feel good after that and a letter yeah that obama and then they they they do feel that after they get through you know first for 'em for people that have recently detox you know like i was saying earlier the medicine needs to go in and a cleansing physically parts of typically especially for those those people that have recently detox the the medicine the first time they have it it's gonna be really physical experience and there could be more purging the recovery time will probably be longer 'em but then once they come out of that they had that first man's whiskey boga on typically they recover a quicker that second time and that's generally roofer for everybody you know the first time that the medicine goes through you the recovery time as a bit longer whereas now that things have been cleared out of the way it doesn't have clear out the same things that the first time taking action dig in deeper and down you know some people perched on monday that they they clean life and they're a you know they've been working on himself sometimes that physical detox may just be a you know three or four hours five hours on you know other times it could be in be the horrible you know the whole journey which typically people filled the medicine to some extent you know going through them very good twenty four hours and i hope that helps yeah yeah yeah good go ahead you know that's good that's really good 'em i just thinking about also like dosages you guys went out for people you get everybody does now yeah so we we we have we serve just the ground up part like like it came right from de right from the plant 'em you know so we we serve that awesome soon so they're being the medicine a lot you could get a good idea of you know a we we actually go by you know half the recorder folks doing a just knowing how it affects different people but then the tha we make own organic total out apple eight extra using only a heightened fifty seven white center which is also national deniger in so we do way out see a total accolade extra capsules so really a you know you can get it you could get a good idea on some of these tolerance for the medicine 'em spending some time with him talking with them seeing you know how strong their mind is how that they are in in what you know whenever they're working on end so but we start everybody off but the judge they can't handle and typically that first us will be the the park and once we the medicine spin in about an hour week you get a really good idea of where they're at and also getting their input you know we've definitely trust people that they know themselves better than we do and so you know we get information from them you know you could still there arman and it's getting really hot you know the medicine is still coming up quite a bit a you know the people balance and get off the depending on how we may help them up and see how their balances and depending on how a how they're balances where you can't get a good idea to them we a for the people that need it continue dosing throughout the next several hours which some people that first win required maybe all they need to go in and get the work they need on other people could you several more more doses so then once we once we've been through that first ceremony and we know everybody's tolerance that second ceremony 'em we we could get a really good idea on how much you get them all at once rather than kind of staggering doses over several hours and a lotta times you have a little more little more liftoff and then also because you're not starving doses the recovery time could definitely be quicker now as i understand levi you also these were small groups to defy people is that right on pfizer seven okay so there there's a smaller group that you have you a gift from individual time the breakfast absolutely absolutely no that's that's important for us yeah did you know the the madison last so long the care that's needed the next day all through the night yeah it's just not true for large groups and so yeah yeah that is we want everybody to get plenty of attention in tiny at a time to a you know work with the medicine work with us you know we've been through a lot of the same things that many of the guests have been through between i you know my gary myself and the rest of the staff so there's a lot of things we can relate to the first thousand guide them on how we've learned from the medicine and say yeah no it's it's important for us at smaller group you know i've i've heard you mentioned this or or gary and i've heard this from a lot of people that are involved or have used boga and you you talk about a twenty four hour trip how how what are we really talking about the person that city and what what do you mean by twenty four hour so so when you when you first take the medicine you know there's gonna be several hours up a ramp up time similar you know other other plant medicine show there's the there's the ramp up in the time so what happens with these boga is a think think of it like a you know a a graph going up and it goes up relatively quick end than that that paper downward goes very very slow so typically by the morning times a week we have everybody the stair ceremony area until sunrise the next day and when we get the map to go there room typically people a it's not as intense as it was you know three or four hours ago or so definitely still feeling the medicine in quite a bit and they you know just wanna spend some time alone a an and has an introspective time and so but they all you know some people will have visions throughout that next morning and a or insights coming to them still and really fill the medicine strongly other people bounce back a bit quicker in you know get up and have lunch and take a swim in the pool so yeah it's really really individual and what we tell people is really the medicines gonna gonna gonna work on you on till it's done and then once it's done that when you go to sleep and so once a person get some sleep a night once they get you know three four hours asleep they they wake up the next day feeling really brash just really clear like whatever you know things that were being carried around have been released and so you know people get tired of us asking here at the center did you sleep how'd you see how many hours you get you know were were very very interested in people sleep because we know when they do get some of that sleep that you know things are gonna start looking pretty good for them soon and so the medicine you whatever were dealing with you know person comes in dealing with anger or they're really anxious or really hard on the shelves you know that that next day you know back and really come up so you know constantly remind people that you know people are feeling a bit sad or anxious or you know angry whatever they're dealing with typically that amplifies those motions in them so we constantly remind the that's that's the healing happening and that's that's just how it works you know they like jerry was say they you know whatever we let in whatever were dealing with came through the front door and has these through the door as well and so you know there could be there could be a period of of some really a it can be it can be difficult you know there's definitely a sacrifice just do this work that you know the the gains and let people get out of better just a life change and now i you know i i couldn't i couldn't really see that in in like i say i've i've had friends who it it has changed her life but the question i have is and this is probably biondi reach in the veil of scope of what you guys do but my my question is a i know i've i've had a few i watched experiences that that a week to week several weeks later i really wish still having some problems with it and so i could call somebody else from my my group that you know we've been together for years and try and talk about these people when they they're there for a week ten days have a couple intense experiences but when they go back home is there any way for them to get any kind of the court should they a need some reinforcements later on yeah yes absolutely so there's 'em you know were were available once we've had this medicine with the group this really connects you wanna on a deep level even though it is only a week long network together but there's a connection there they know they can get in touch with us out whenever you want of course you know if if a you know all of them did that it would be tough to manage everybody but people people a you know do reach out and we also have by monthly integration foster any past clients that have been a year to overwhelm us so they're able to jump on those calls a peter is are house manager in a and that has done a lot a lot of work on himself including coaching in the past reach those calls and that's just the open forum for people that best what they're dealing with us and no reconnect back with us than you know be be the lessons they got the medicine and then we also work with a couple of specific groups and people 'em one is one of the more talented a coach's i've i've ever come across and from australia he's been here so people and work with and we work with a place called being true to you on which still specifically with people integrating pairing medicine 'em a another one called after plants a nother kind of artist reaching they started something called ibo coach and help people so we definitely have a good for five resource district people say they need some intense one on one a immigration help end a yeah we definitely stress that because after you boga you know things are gonna be released of i still have any end so you know that's the time to really integrate the change and then it's you know it's first month to three to six months of what we tell people is to really make this the year of them and and really focus on them for this one year in you know look back and just see how their life is changed and so the first monster extremely important so we definitely a you know pushed him in the right direction with with a working with some of those coaches getting on are on a bi monthly integration all well they have three wonderful i think you're answer blows me away because it's so much more than i expected a an you know you don't find that kind of care in in in every place you go and so i i really admire you guys do the work that you're doing you obviously air about the result as a you know it's it's a when you're working with people live a everyone is equally important and in fact that you recognize that yogurt am i thank you thank you they leave i do have one question i hear is taxing on your heart or is it is it is there any issues with people who have high blood pressure was taken so yeah that's that's a good point everybody needs to get any e k g done either before they com or 'em or with a doctor here in costa rica 'em in so yeah we you definitely don't want anybody coming that has some heart issues that they're not aware of but with that said no and that's it and that's really high blood pressure they're most likely fine 'em if it was a borderline case would definitely get what the doctor on it 'em but you know through all the years that we've been doing this a less than a handful of people have not been able to come due to some sort of heart issue and so yeah we do do they e k g and 'em you know we've had we've had some younger people come with with their parents were struggling with depression and we've had a you think you know we've had a seventy seven year old come so it's it the medicine is very statement somebody hasn't been abusing her body drugs or a real long time tom end so yeah they went with c e k g and you know they do a medical questionnaires and you know we feel very confident a administering the medicine now if it was we did so it was dangerous at all you know definitely wouldn't do this work and definitely would let somebody you know like i don't think that's the right thing is there is there any a legal issues with the costa rican government and you doing this work on there so it's it's it's it's you know it's not classified thing there's other a cook the surrey looming no unknown spotter different plant medicine so you know we from my viewpoint they definitely they they like a streak of being known as a as a healing spot in touch with insolvent nature in so a you know they they're very accommodating but what about the people who are taking other prescription medicines beforehand i know in are i watched the circle we are as a required but they they stopped taking a ss are rising like that or two weeks ahead a timer so what's what's the situation with these boga in a prescription medicines that maybe taking already yeah yeah good good question in portland yes same same when you go yeah people have to be off any s that's right there at least a couple of weeks before coming on an end depressingly how about you know anywhere from forty fifty percent of the people that come have recently stopped some sort of prescription medication and so yeah definitely know the ss are i as a in a what else we you know we don't accept people that are on and so as a team as well on the that's one of the things that you won't help a person listening interventional pain so people people come you know we comparing the they're not doing those now some of the idea being that makes me makes them on that we just know that you know they just gonna strip the ben's those out of their system but it's not gonna help withdrawn and so so when people you know been so withdrawn could be dangerous and that's a very long process like months long to fully get it out here system so yeah yeah those those are two big big one and a you know definitely people they're getting off any us just all rise definitely have some light at the end of the tunnel they'll look forward to because a you know like like we mentioned and a you know they're gonna physically feel good without having to have any any prescription medication in their in their body mentally physically and you know those things can can do a number on the on the doctors walker them so yeah people people you know they finally make decision like hey i'm gonna stop this and then used as a tool and that's what's great about he bogus one works bruin in just a you know brings brings their their brain chemistry back to baseline can be the first time they really felt good in you know years for a lot of i am i just said it real quick question but i have a friend who struggle with what if one thing they have asked about it i do okay is it is it is it true that it really comparatively to a whole turkey okay with that there really is a help which i mean comparatively to uphold search withdrawal how how hard drugs quite yeah you know the time the they've been doing the opiates can extend be the detox time but yeah no it's night and day man 'em you know at least eighty percent withdrawal symptoms are gonna go away for a lot of people will be ninety or even ninety five percent inning on what they are you know withdrawing from a lot of e you know maintenance drugs likes the box on a method duncan and really be tough once you get out of the system which they're surprisingly the hardest ones to stop somebody from using whereas if somebody says using heroin that that gets out a lot quicker and a leave a lot more freely but yeah no that's the scariest things turn out of this the withdrawals process it's just it's if you've never been through it you can't really imagine how horrible it is and so it's a it's yeah it's it really does does work in it is you only thing on the planet that works with the physical withdrawal symptoms you know they're still not gonna sleep for a while on that one sterban at least they're not they're retiring in bed and shaking sneezing yeah pooping in when you know all these other symptoms that come with that but yeah no it does not is really work right on thank you of what other question is something i mentioned earlier you guys talked about a potential ancestoral stroll on do you guys have people that come in or that is what does that look like what what would they be delayed on an ancestral love that about yeah you you wanna take that one guy yeah i'll take that one a good good question 'em well a two way i've come to understand is that 'em are are family 'em pass on from one generation to be other you know a lot of what's going on in their own experience and sometimes a dream a lifetime someone can a make some mistakes and a those things get get a pass on to the next generation you're upstream ambulance myself to convince me anyway the 'em that healing does go back 'em in it is possible to you know make some headway where you're ancestors served by resolving some of the things that they didn't a it's hard to really quantify it too much so so individual but a lot of a sexual you know there's one of the things that really struck me when i started doing this work is just how much sexual abuse goes on and a that's the kind of thing that can in fact a are ancestors is well you know if there were some sexual abuse in the past a now wasn't wasn't really resolve but for a person halftime then there is a possibility for their their ancestors and their children grandchildren to addressed those and create healing would actually happen to me a myself a and like i guess i kind of got meta aware of that kind of thing going on now my own case a sexually abused in a very young age they didn't know about it i didn't know what happened i just knew something happened behind a bully 'em couldn't understand it a dream i broke a journey 'em i was able to connect connect with my grandmother my mother's mother and when i first star she is quite i'm happy and i 'cause i just talk with my mother my mother was ecstatic and talk to my grandmother and she was not happy and i asked her you know who's wrong who's wrong in that you know because of the abuse that went on my second husband menu and a who is really a very revealing to me and i could i could see how that it really affected me and i didn't i just wasn't aware of it at all but then later on as we were we were talking like she a was definitely happier that she got the tell me about it and then i got to stand what had happened to me in you know i remember i i after a grandma why why did that happen it's happened to me why don't you give you what you told me was the i wouldn't be who i am without it wow that's fascinating you know a if it's really interesting the the story you just toll to it really clarify some things for me about dealing with ancestors in in how to be a healing in come forward and it also that that story also reveals me why it's important for people like all of you at you're center a to honor thee tradition of of a of a weakening communism and they're healing practices because a traditional national western medicine that just is using even game would be very difficult to tease out something that like you were just talking about with with traditional a ceremony like i'm familiar with what they are washed up i definitely see how that works so gary levi were were about out of time here but a if if one of you would a kind of a a tell us as suckers i'm gonna put this in a podcast if somebody he is interested in beginning a conversation with the either viewers nabet you're center in an x or the possibility of them coming down there how how did they get this whole process are so yeah they would just submitted a we have that eight hundred number on her sight usa in canada or you know in another country they could submit a contact form and be weakened call them at their on their a mobile phone whatever country or in so eddie bogle wellness dot com an yeah we send a you know a complete retreat overview with all the details of what's going on in a there's a a medical questionnaire in there that would be the first thing they start to start the process and a yeah you know we wanna make sure people are also ready read this medicine 'em you know that's archie we wanna work with people that really wanna work on themselves and so you know we definitely definitely look for that you know i would say you know they like a gary was saying with the the will of warning better things yourself you know you have to definitely had two years a couple of people come through that you know more psychedelic pioneers looking but try the next the next thing end yeah the medicine doesn't seem to get along with that too well it's a you know really wants at once you're a you know once you do your art 'em and so those those people have had a really rough time but if you are looking for guidance and you know you're willing to do the work a just a you know i haven't found the more valuable tool yeah you call their email or on her on her website and a yeah no no pressure no stress moves that were happening talk with anybody the interest and he boga i wanna i wanna compliment a all of you for for her that bring in particular i you know i've i've a chocolate quite a few people have different kind of healing centers and andy internet is sort of a you know kind of hands off and hardly get a hold of real people sometimes by by putting an eight hundred number up there and ashley talking to prospect expect a i applaud that i think that is fantastic and it certainly should if you're a participant a good feeling like and talk to a real human an explainer situation in get feedback other just through email absolutely absolutely yeah no that's definitely what what we find well listen i i again i appreciate your time per for being with us tonight this'll be out in our podcast next monday and i i hope that it will find some people people who in reviews you're help because i i think you guys are doing important work a an i i ruby a one do what i can help so thank you for being here tonight and the same with the rest of are also monitor sheera thank you for being here and until next week you feel safe and say hi thanks everyone right you'll listening to the psychedelic salon with people changing their live one thought at a time i hope that this conversation was has enlightening for you this was pre me now if you've been with us here in the salon for a while you already know that i don't have any personal experience with these bogus order with uber game unlike most of the other psychoactive so we talk about here in this one so much of this information is new to me and hopefully it's also something that you're interested in learning more about because i plan on inviting more bogle practitioners to join are conversations in the future in fact in a few weeks leading producer of the new movie post will also be joining us live monday night salon in speaking of future live salons tonight are guest will be doctor mike sapiro who i'm told his former buddhist monk turn meditation teacher in psychedelic coach in all goes according to plan a recording of tonight's conversation with doctor mike will be next week's podcast from hearing this on an a week from tonight my guest will be daniel mcqueen who will talk to us about his new protocols for extending dmt experience a significantly longer than what is experienced by smoking and the following week on july twenty second are guest will be author in longtime friend of the salon eric davis in a i'm in the process of lining up other interesting guests for our future life salons is well enda hopefully i'll see you 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Mike Tirico (05-06-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Mike Tirico (05-06-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net. Production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. It could be a little frustrating, especially if you're in a hurry running late to find yourself at a railway crossing waiting for a train and the signals are going in the trains, not even there yet can feel a little bit tempted to try and sneak across the tracks. Well, don't ever trains are often going faster than you expect them to be and they can't stop even if the engineer hits the brakes right away can take a train over a mile to stop by that time. What used to be your car is just a crush hook metal. What used to be you? Well, better not to think about that. The point is you can't know how quickly the train will arrive the train can't stop even mid-seas u-. The result is disaster. The signals are on the train is on its way. And you just need to remember one thing. Stop trains can't. Casting from the Mercedes man cave. It's Dan patch. Well, I did give you guys the green light to make fun of me after last week. And you guys have taken full advantage of that welcome to the program. It's hour to on this Monday and the danettes Dan Patrick show. Mike Tariq, oh, he was hosting at the Kentucky Derby, Mike will join us coming up we had some controversy yesterday. So we'll talk to Mike, and I love how people in my position today. Everybody's gonna sound like their horse racing experts. I've been to these races. I've covered these races. But I don't do this on a regular basis. The only thing that I do is you try to seek out the right people to give you the right information with this. Do I think they got the call, right? Yes. Would I have factored in the conditions of the track? And that's I don't know if there's any wiggle room there at all did the jockey do this on purpose. And if somebody gets an opportunity to interview Gary west, he is the owner of max. Sim- security, please ask him the following. How would you feel if it was the other way around? How would you feel if another horse at one and you finished second? And all of a sudden, you saw the inquiry or you wanted the inquiry would you filed a complaint, I just be curious if he says, no, I would not okay. But he was on the today show and said that he is not going to have his horse run in the Preakness. And now people are on Twitter saying what about a revenge match, and I go, I don't think the horse knows that it lost. Everybody else knows. I don't know of maximum security is being treated differently like you see being shunned. Yes. For two what if he ran in the Preakness and something similar happened again, then he becomes like the Grayson Allen horse tripping. Everytime. Is it a race to McSherry when I got to blame this on the horse. If I'm playland anybody. It's the jock that a free pass a little too quick, the horse jockey would not turn the horse in another path to make them. The horse went rogue. All also, you're blaming it on the horde. He was trying to win the he knows what he's doing. I don't think. So he she. Yeah. I don't know. It's a he okay. Will you be over minded? I don't know. I think I think she would be like a gelding or something. And if they stud fees be to me in the fact that Gary west is a billionaire. He's the owner maximum security. I don't think he's too concerned about stud fees for his horse. I don't think so. But he's not going to run him in the Preakness. Maybe runs him in the Belmont. But I can't imagine what that feeling must be like because the cameras on you and would Gary west get his first Kentucky Derby, and they're celebrating and hugging. And then all of a sudden, you're going. Wait a minute here way. What's going on somebody filed a claim here? What what ha- who on who? What happened? Don't know yet. We'll get back to you in twenty two minutes. Meanwhile, Mike Tariq, oh, take it away and fill time. Did it really need to take twenty two minutes and we've gotten to the point with instant replay. It's not called instant replay anymore. It's just called replay. Because it's not an instant they had to change it. Oh, it's instant replay. Oh, great. We'll get the results right away. Now. It's like an MRI. We'll get back to you on it. Yeah. Pulling but imagine the other way if you're a better, and you had a country house when which went off at sixty five to one let's say you, but ten bucks on country. How I okay this'll be. I'll take a flyer. I liked the name and your oh second. Oh, I almost had one of the great upsets the history, and you're ready to rip up your ticket. You're ready to turn off the TV. And then you see the inquiry and all of a sudden, you're ten dollars is now six fifty. That's what I want to know the number of people who ripped up their tickets through away. And then all of a sudden, you're trying to piece together you got you got, you know, the race from the Kentucky Derby and like the third race from earlier in the day at the derby trying to piece it all together. Man. I your phone calls are welcome as they always are on Monday, while they're they're also welcome on the other days of the week except for Saturday and Sunday. Operators are standing by eight seven seven three DP show, Email address teepee, Dan, Patrick dot com. And you can if you'd like to respond to our poll question today. The officials at the Kentucky Derby got it. Right. Got it. Right. But you didn't like out played out or they got it wrong. So you can join in the fun with that your phone calls. Mike Tariq, oh joins us. Jamal Murray of the Denver Nuggets. Will join us in the final hour as the nuggets beat the blazers last night there up there tied to a piece bucks up to one on the Celtics play tonight warriors up to one on the rockets, they play tonight raptors seventy Sixers tied at two games apiece. And it feels like Joel Embiid 's toughness is being questioned today because he called his or text his coach yesterday morning saying that never felt this before. And I think shack called him out saying you got to, you know, tough this out you gotta play in these games and the seventy Sixers, you know, there's a whole lot riding on the seventy Sixers in my opinion. Brett Browns job. I think is hanging in the balance here. I really do. And then is Jimmy Butler going to stay with this team. What's going to happen with Ben Simmons? What kind of players Ben Simmons going to be a Tobias Harris. Is he going to be with his team? Does he want to be with this team in those are the things that I'm curious about? And then on the other side, you got the raptors with quiet, Leonard, and John Kerry who is a former player, he's doing the call tonight. Warriors rockets recipe N last hour said has gone to the clippers. No matter what in his opinion from what he's hearing qui- is leaving Toronto, no matter how. How far Toronto goes. So you have that in this series as well. There's there's a lot. I don't know if anybody's watching the series, but there's a lot of interesting subplots here in this series bettors wagered on maximum security lost about nine million dollars when the Colt was disqualified for interference this. According to Churchill Downs online, ouija ring service nine million dollars there. I phone calls coming up. I just saw this on Bleacher report Adrian Wootton around ski talking about Klay Thompson, if the warriors don't offer him the max contract watch for the clippers not the Lakers. I I'm guessing they're going to offer him the max, I would think I do think Klay. Thompson has the best job in all of all the sports because he never gets blamed never. He's not the focal point. And then then he'll score thirty two points in a quarter. And then we'll trumpet him. And he's considered one of the great shooters in the history of the game. Yes, seton. And all of that that you just said is the guy you want to give max contract to that. Like, he's not. He's never the focal point. Like, he's got the best job. Because none of the pressure is on him. He just gets to hang out shoot and play and is not the leader or anything. Yeah. And if he goes to the clippers it'll be quite Leonard steam, then he could just sort of fit in where he needs to fit. He quietly calmly averages twenty two a game during the season. But never gets blamed like we're blaming Steph curry for being subpar in this series. But nobody brings up clay. But Claire have like those moments where you go. Oh, my God that guy is unbelievable. And then he consorted go about putting up twenty two a night. He's got a good gig there. Yeah. Mclovin. For the record. There's like thirty to max contract players already. There's gonna be like twenty more. You don't have to be that great to be like, Bradley Beal's max contract like Claes? Definitely good enough to be in that group. Isn't he top thirty? I know I'm just going by what wo- just sing. But you know, you can have to max contracts. Right. That that that to me makes the most sense if you're the clippers, and you can get Klay Thompson with quite Leonard, which he would be a great compliment for him. Then I understand that if Katie leaves? Then don't you think the war is would offer max is to clay and Steph then drain on do dream on. I don't know. They don't even cover Draymond. I just didn't the owner say that I never want dream on leave recently. Yes. And that was really more my point not about where clay falls in how much money he should make throughout the whole league. But I'm the warriors. You can have to max contract guys is he really one of the guys that you think is max conjuring. Yeah. A few if John wall's Amax contractor Br Bradley Beal the thing that Klay does Claes a great two way player. He really is. I mean, he's wonderful shooter. And he's a really good defender and aside from Paul George. She's probably second on that list of being a great two way player at the guard position. Yes, mclovin. Yeah. The defense. That's what they're saying. Jimmy Butler too that he actually plays defense. He does. Yep. Steph. Curry is currently maxed out through the twenty one twenty two season next year. He'll make forty million twenty twenty one. He makes forty three million twenty one twenty two he makes forty six million. And then he's unrestricted free agent twenty twenty two which we should start talking about. Now. It's just unbelievable, and you can't can't help but watch Washington Wizards game and gone. John wall is making forty two million dollars. Oh, man. Nobody can live up to that hype. You can't there's some really bad players making big money. Yes. There are auto porter may twenty seven million last year. He walked into the gym here. He might not be the first pick. Okay. That's a little harsh. If Otto porter came in. Then I would take him. I don't know Puerto twenty seven million thought mclovin was joking way. Like exaggerates guys make a two hundred million next year. Oh, like two bomber hitting four hundred exaggerating. No, real number. I've been outta porter. Doesn't know he's making twenty seven million God while Blake Griffin's thirty one. Gordon Hayward that thirty one there's some Tim bad numbers out there right now. Yeah. Gordon Hayward at thirty one million not good. If he'd sit Blake. Blake. Yeah. I guess, but in he would have been more valuable to Utah. I think because I don't I don't know what the Celtics are going to do and how he fits in with that. But Blake Griffin was the only guy you knew on the pistons, basically aside from Andre Drummond. Any played pretty well for them and they made the playoffs. Yes. Mclovin. Chris PA thirty five. Man is that his age or is that the amount of money's making? Probably both. He got old. He really did. Like you keep waiting for Chris Paul to have these moments in the playoffs, and it's just not there. Yeah. Pull I've got a list of the top fifty players in the NBA, and they're all like good to very good to great. And then you run into a name like Otto porter jR in the fifteenth spot out of Puerto junior makes more than CJ McCollum. Joel embiid. Anthony Davis joke each he makes more than the honest will they haven't gotten to that contract yet. Right. That's that's why. The other some bad. There's some bad contracts. Man, data Vel player you see. What are you thinking? I should've I should've played basketball, and I should have my contract guaranteed. That's another thing. This isn't NFL frontloaded stuff where we can cut you after year three you're stuck with this. And we don't know what kind of player John wall was going to be when he comes back from this injury. Ample you wanna play the overpaid NBA players game. Average Al Horford makes this year made what this year twenty nine. Yes. Twenty nine million. Good jobs L. Yes. I know my L Horford, wait, we say that's overpaid or appropriately paid. We always say if you're millions are more than your points, rebounds, and assists together you're overpaid. Is Al Horford overpaid with the Dan Patrick show criteria? He's probably averaging fourteen in eight this year because that's okay. So that twenty two then he'd have to average seven assists to get there. He's overpaid. But he draws Jaanus and Embiid out from the bath stats. Yeah. Yeah. That's trust me. He's knocked the Sixers out of the playoffs times. He's actually very good player. He's he's in the hall of very good now with Paul Millsap. And Joe Johns serviceable, Paul Millsap Al Horford made four he he was fourteen and seven this year. And then you throw it four sist-. So you're at easy one. He's overpaid. Yeah. Little overpaid. Who's underpaid? James James harden would be underpaid Jaanus would be underpaid. Damian Lillard like if you use these numbers you put the points rebounds insists. You'd probably find a few guys that are under Lillard kind of like appropriately paid. He makes twenty eight million. His stats are better than his millions. Yes. Nikola Millsaps next year is on the hook for thirty thirty million dollars. He's adding to the economy of Denver, Colorado. Yeah. Well, I was going to say do people know where Paul Millsap plays that that was the next question who makes the most money where you not sure where they play do. You know, where auto porter jR, the third place. Yeah. I see on the same team that he's always been on Georgetown. Out of Georgia. Does he play in Washington DC? He's still there. Right. He is not he feels like an Atlanta. Hawks to me but auto Puertas not in Washington anymore. Sarah Landau or live. I'm just putting it out there who is the highest paid player. You don't know who he plays your Bari Parker makes twenty million dollars a year. I don't know who he plays. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. He's in the league was it Chicago. Then he go over Chicago. And by the way, I think I just looked it up outta porters on the bulls. We got our reporter that Allan crab. Remember, Al RAB? And I think he's moved around since he was two nets. He was is he still there? How much is Helen crab make he's pulling in an easy nineteen ninety million. He's averaging nine three. Oh, he's with the nets. Okay. Did nine points a game. What about did you everytime? Rodney hood pulls up for a shot or Portland. I think America's Rodney hood on Portland. I can't get used to it. He's only making like one point three fees. A bargain was huge last game. Mike in Washington joins us. Hey, mike. What do you have for me today? Hey, Dan, gotta give you the it obligatory. Six foot five two hundred and fifteen. And I'm going to preface this by saying first of all I'm loath to give praise to Philadelphia sports product. But I think you know, while it's true. Ben Simmons definitely needs to develop a shot. He should also be be praised for not being TJ Chuck or not excuse me for not being TJ Machaca shot. For example, you give Westbrook's, you know, he's got more problems than the math book and his game yet. He's never met a jump shot that he never liked. So I think it's good that Ben Simmons recognizes where he's at. And he's doing things if into the team and said, it just chucking barf everywhere. He goes now, hopefully he will develop a shot in turn into a much better player. And if I may say one thing also, I'm glad that you came out and said what you said on the show about your condition because if we're allowed to you know, throw shots out here. I was wondering for the last six or seven years. I was like what's his guys problem? And he's just he's awful over there. But just wanted to just bust your chops a little bit. Thank you. Oh, thank you, Mike. My we will sense of humor there too much. Thank you. Mike O for Monday, and Nicole the whiz. TJ mic Yang. Jay mc. Chuck shop. Yes. Yes. Mclovin. I just found. I think this has to be easiest decision ever made in sports. I could give it to you right now. Wait, what are you talking about? I just thought I was looking up these Allan crab opted into his nineteen million dollar player option after playing forty two games for the nets as year, and he's probably going. Are you kidding me? I'd always how easy. Yeah. Yes. Nncholas pa- tomb is averaging nine points and five rebounds. And he's making what do you think? What did it nine points and five rebounds in Charlotte is worth twenty four? That's right. Twenty four million on the screws. Dan. Chandler Parsons, who I'm not sure is in the league. He's evidence seven and two. He gets twenty four million for that. Didn't you do a drive by with the Kardashians? Like one of them. I should be more specific about that though. I think it was kindle or Kylie or coral or. Kleptomaniac? I dunno. You chose poorly. Dan, not to develop your hoops, guilt species salaries, and I don't know if you could could've, but these how home we will Ryan Anderson in plano. He was with Houston. He's evident to points, two rebounds. He makes twenty two million is she was New Orleans or is he still with Houston? I haven't as a heat, but I'm not. Well. But he hit. It'd be playoffs continue tonight on air conditioning at American Airlines arena, everybody heat, and then he who who was that raspberry variet-. I was Stanford Andhra coming up next on sports talk about the heat and the heat. No echinacea American Airlines. Fritzy's added that to his repertoire of impersonations here. 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But I did like it or that they got it wrong. And the winner by far was I got it. Right. But I don't like how played out. Yeah. Paulie? I think a lot of people were surprised that even horse racing has replay replay what a horse does. So I think people don't have problem with so much the ruling as much as the fact that there's replay everywhere, and it's taken over even event where you think I'll I gotta give is two minutes. My left to the Kentucky Derby, and I'm out. Do we have too much replayed? Now. Are we going to get to the point? Even though we get the story. Right. We get the coal, right? It feels like in some sports. We don't want to in baseball. You know, people cringing at the some kind of automated empire strike zone there. But in football, we're you got interference. That's interferes, look at you could see it clearly interference. Yes today is a great day for people who never watch horse racing who don't know the rules who don't know anything. I don't follow it whatsoever. To be like, this is garbage. What the hell happened, my horse one horse one? And now, this is real replays. Ruining the sport. It's like why we didn't even know that. It was a rule who even knew that. If you're coming out of a turn, and you shift over five feet it's against the rules. Mike tirico? I'm sure did the host of the coverage yesterday on NBC sports. Hey, mike. How are you today? Come up. How how you doing? I'm doing great. Did you get over to them yesterday? No. We did not. We did not get the extra twenty minutes per run into the hockey. It was very. Okay. Now when the race ends gimme what the game plan is supposed to be on NBC. I'm assuming you're supposed to be off the air at the top of the hour. Seven fifteen to the Ray cents. Couple of interviews. Little bit of break some analysis break comeback full field winter circle. And then we come back one more time and throw it. Right. The hockey game starts, so we were we were dancing a little bit there. When did you first realize that something was wrong? We norm procedure race ends talk about the horse for a few seconds. Donna brothers. Does a great job on horseback. Gets to the outrider in the winning jockey and the horse talks to the jockey. She usually throws it to either a trainer and owner interview we get that. And that's going on Justice. That's going on the very very end. Rob highland. Our producer said hang on a second to me. And then I was listening to him as we started talking when the throw came back to me, and I was looking at the board, and rob told me at the time it popped up on the board the word objection, which is part of the story 'cause objection means one of the jockey said, hey, something. Is wrong. As opposed to an inquiry. Yeah. Where the stewards would have throw the flag and say, hey, we thought we saw something we need to go watch the video so hold all tickets and don't cash them and don't rip them up either. What was the rule that was broken essentially, the horse impeded the past of the other horses by star? I the what I've used for people who don't follow all that often. I don't pretend to be an expert but sit next to him on TV. So if it's a five lane highway at traffic and the seven horse maximum security was in the left lane. He just slammed on over to the middle lane and interfere the progress of the others in the way, and sometimes that happens, and there's a crash. Luckily, there was contact put no crash, and that's where the problem is the safety of the other horses in the jockeys were put in danger because that horse had sharp moved coming around the turn for whatever reason. That was the problem did your analyst agree that was was it a. Consensus that this was the right call. Well, I I'm going to answer in the longer form to help understand this. Why did it take twenty minutes? Jerry bailey. Randy moss who've been doing this for a long time at our phenomenal. This they at I said, I don't see much there because we were just looking at the seven and then the twenty the horse that won. So go back to that analogy of the five lanes on the highway the twenty is like the fourth lane. So the twenty doesn't get punked or touched it all just jostle the hair and his path continues on so the seven did it impact the twenty. So we were looking at that at first and then go, wait a minute. Now, we see as you watch more angles of it. We see how it really caused a big problem for the rest of the field. So you understand why the stuarts kept looking over and over and over and the more you look the more you realize this was really a problem with what happened. I'm just curious might given the track conditions if that's factored in to what happened on that. Turn. Yeah. It as. People talk about all the time without getting really super technical here on a sloppy or track. It's a little bit tougher. Just like it would be a little bit tougher for us to to walk and run if it's all a wet compared to dry, but most of the horses usually handle this case, find the horse change leads which means you're less close to this cases coming down. I the horses always chains leads when they're making a turn this happened a little bit earlier than it should have with. This course and allowed it impart to dress a little bit. So that's why some reporting to the jockey could have handled the situation a little bit better small inside baseball stuff. But all contributing to it does the track it is you make it tougher. Yeah. Little bit. I'm curious. If anybody asks Gary west, the owner of maximum security f this had been reversed. How would he feel about that that he won the derby on a technical technicality? Yeah. Yeah. Would have been good question. He was on the today show this morning with the savannah Guthrie Craig Melvin and when they asked him directly. Hey, here's the video. You saw the video does your horse impede the path of the others. He kinda handed hot which means. Yeah. He did. You know, he he wasn't going to come out and say it, and then he spun it around and very antitrade chilled downs and said, look your your have nineteen or twenty horses in this case in the derby. It's the most horses in any single race in the country all year, he called Churchill Downs, greedy. And went after them for lack of transparency in the state of Kentucky. Which by the way, wasn't a good idea. If you're planning on appealing to these people, you're gonna peel to these people so you come on the today show, and you trash him. I know you're upset, but that's not a smart move talking to Mike Tariq, oh, NBC sports host. And he was on the Kentucky Derby assignment last time. You witnessed such a huge reversal of fortune in sports. The fail Mary with Seattle. And in the Packers that that that game. I I was thinking as we left them thinking, what are the three? That's the third time that I've been a part of eight, you know, not a they're always great endings and sports, but truly bizarre like you never saw that coming a one for me was showing van-de-velde in ninety nine when all he needed was a sixty made a seven when into three way playoff in Los the open and they're twenty twelve during the Monday night game when the fail Mary happened with the replacement officials the last game for the replacement officials that that was the greatest grace labor negotiation star of all time, forty eight hours later, they we we sound common ground, the officials are back, and then and then there's there's just you you come to a game, and you expect it's going to end a certain way, and you come to this event. And it it has finished it was over. And we were about crowning these guys, and they owner was talking to trainer was talking. Well, the emotion of it and. Everything else. And then all of a sudden it's like they flipped the lights on in the bars. It, hey, wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The part he's gotta stop. We. We got to talk about what's going on here. And then we sat around for twenty minutes and waited and what people don't understand is when Mike is talking on TV somebody's talking to him in his ear. And that it's one of the hardest things that you'll ever do. Because you sometimes you don't even know what words you're saying. Because you're listening to somebody say, hey, Mike. You gotta go here. We got video of the steward over here. Looking at this. Then we're gonna go we got sound over here. Randy moss gonna have something like all of this is in his head. I'm assuming that you you're getting your update from from your producer. Yeah. Rob highland. Wet mentioned before with me today football and football night, a bunch of other stuff, rob Rob's awesome. And he was talking to us as much as he could cause they're trying to pass along information from the Stewart. Hurts and what they hear there. And maybe Dan if there was a disappointing part of this on the TV, and obviously we're going to get to the hockey game as quick as we cats we do all of our business, and then we're gonna record something for between periods of the hockey game for dot com or for nightly news, or what today's show whatever we were getting ready to interview ball report. And who's the woman who came out and gave the statement? And then they said well now, they're not going to do an interview. And then they came out of the hour later and gave a statement. Yeah. And didn't take any questions now. Yeah. Right now, you say, well, wait a minute. The NFL out river on is hopping down there and doing a press conference after a controversial call. Okay. They're not exactly the same. But essentially those of their jobs, right? Well, here's the difference. There's legal sports betting in horse racing for years. And that's the backbone of this industry, it funds the industry the live gate, the people who bet the money and with the favourite involve. I think those people deserve an answer more than the agreed saints fans who were watching a game the disappointed. So I it just opened up a whole nother Pandora's box of Wendy. You have to answer to your constituents because there's money involved in the betting line is Tom Brady. The official host of the Kentucky Derby. Brady Aaron Rodgers. I we had a whole NS out. We had a Pro Bowl breaking out Ella chick. Was there? Sean McVeigh was there less need was there for the Rams Brady had Garoppolo there. He had Jacoby percent of his backups, obviously receivers von Miller was working for us. I really do think we could have had the greatest eleven or seven on seven flag football game on the infield between races. Well, then Rogers is going to be on one team in Brady's on the other end. They're absolutely automatic quarterback for each side. And then we then we go derby scene is it's a so it's so different attracts, so many people you don't expect to see why this true story, Dan, I told this on the air. I'm sitting in our trailer for the folks who don't know when we go to these events their trailers, they get set up next to the big TV trucks. That's what we work out of almost as a makeshift office. I'm they're going through my scripts on Saturday morning. Von Miller comes up. This is a lot there for a couple. Today's he walked into this little couch area where guys sit and watch the show we all sit and I hear, hey. Vaughan. Yeah. They'll junior nice to meet. Back. My children we moved here. I just think I saw Super Bowl MVP and one of the most popular drivers every NASCAR introduce themselves to each other. I probably had because never met now. No, hey, great to meet you. I'm a big fan of a big fan of yours. That's the derby that happens like, no other big sporting event. It's just a really cool fussy. I've told people before if you have the ability to and you haven't you should at least once get to the derby. It's really cool. Holly came up on idea. I our the the do over and you have these two these two horses they race. And you do it at church it. Well, the can't they probably won't get back at Churchill down. Gary west is not bringing maximum security there. How about five million dollars winner, take all and national TV? Would you host it? Would I absolutely I think we pass around the hat to the danettes the all trip in and we put the money up, and let's do it. Why not not we're not gonna see the Preakness known as west said, he's not and that's not uncommon. Usually if you don't win the derby. You don't feel like you've got shot in the Preakness? You may hold your horse to the Belmont. So perhaps we'll see it in the Belmont or someplace else during the summer. The one thing that we haven't really talked much about because the controversy is this horse country house of sixty five to one shot who got very little attention during the week. Okay. He didn't beat maximum security. He beat everybody else. He's a pretty good horse. How good is he I guess we'll find out the Preakness, but that's like down the line for next week. But maybe we will see them in some race somewhere. That would be good for the sport. The sport could use something good happening here down the line. So that would be that would at least garner interest for was yesterday. What was the derby finish good for the sport Saturday? It was good for tension. I don't know if it was good for the sport the right thing happened in the long run because it brought to light that their safety and safety concerns that have to factor into the results, but the publicity was otherwise negative if people open up the door, and look sometimes they're going to see more bad sports. Sometimes we'll see the people in the sport. Who by March the ones I've met are pretty good. So I don't necessarily think it was a home run of great publicity for the sport. But it got a lot of people talking about it. And might get the feeling that there'll be a lot of people who are interested in the Preakness just because of what happened. I don't know if many people did what I did once once the horse crossed the finish line wire-to-wire. And then there was a the interview with the jockey. And then all of a sudden, I went to do something else in the house, and I came back ten minutes later, and I go, wait. Why is the second place finish owner celebrating? Exactly. And then I was like oh my God. So I missed it in real time. Came back. And then all of a sudden, I realized I had to wait twelve more minutes to find out who won the Kentucky Derby. I wouldn't be surprised if people do that. I wouldn't be surprised I was by foot some point that as you know, things go viral something happens people start texting their friends that people were coming in and trying to figure out what was happening you come into the middle of that. Good. Good luck. Figuring it out that the the ratings are always interesting, Dan, the ratings go up, obviously as you get closer to an event that always happens in big sporting events, but from six fifteen to six forty five it we we had three four five million viewers at least in that stretch. So, you know, the audiences constantly building. And once they came for this. They saw this whole mess play out. And I'm sure a whole bunch of them hung around to watch what was going on. So fascinating stuff. I've never I've never seen it payable. It's never happened in the history of the derby one hundred forty five years. So what glad we got to say it with her own is good to visit with you. Mike, great stuff on Saturday and talk to you soon. Anytime. You know, we love you pal. We we're on your corner. And we think the world is so nothing, but the best we got it. We had a lot of good radio hits to do in the future years. So keep going putting thank you. But that's Mike tirico NBC host and on the call with the Kentucky Derby. Yes, it would have been nice. If Mike sent those pleasantries out during the national broadcast of the Kentucky Derby like midway through the race. How 'bout he had twenty minutes to fill? I think you could have had a nice tribute video ready for me. Yeah. Some b roll of your NBC all friend, Dan, Patrick is had tough week while we wait for the ruling. Yeah. See, and it's even more unfortunate that that would have gotten him into like in before the Monday cutoff window anybody coming money on later. Yeah. It's as good as I get Michael Jordan calls today to say, hey, I hear your little down in the dumps there. I told fritzy don't take the call. Don't take the call. Yeah. Mario is got do. Explicit instructions. If Brady Kohl's Gretzky calls, Jordan calls it. You know, just say the window of opportunity is closed. We're more full today. Yari eight manning. Oh, it's close any manning. Cooper. Okay. Cooper Cooper manning. Or Archie, Danny? Yeah. That the brother who never gets recognized chose basketball football. I know Archie deal with that. They never talk about the other manning. Right. Mclovin. Absolutely. I mean, he he went with his heart basketball, still lamented to this day are best and worst of the weekend. We'll give you ours. Get to more phone calls coming up. Lebron not happy to find out that magic walked away in the way that he did have that for you coming up as well. Hello guys semi fighter shale Senate. Check out my podcast. You're welcome with jail son and every Wednesday and Friday right here at podcast one. We cover the latest in mixed martial arts and everything else going on in the world of sport, listen free. 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Do you know this guy in Denver named Yokich apparently was four four from the free throw line last night had twelve rebounds. Really great all around game Santa for the nuggets. I haven't seen him to check him out. Best Seton O'Connor best and worst the week. My best of the weekend was Adam Sandler on Saturday Night Live doing the tribute to Chris Farley. I didn't. I didn't see that coming. And it was it was fantastic. It was really emotional Sandler. Also sang this on Saturday Night Live. Was fired. Fire. I was fired. So sad to tell. Well, I never saw it. Come. Foam SVN. Between seasons heard a nasty rumor. It was getting. I tried to call mourn, Michael. But he never called me back. I guess NBC had enough of crazy spoon head and the songs I saying on the news, maybe they were sick of canteen. Boy. I think they just hate the Jews. Saturday Night Live. Did you have a worse through the weekend? Yeah. My worst of the weekend actually was if you're going to go to four overtimes, you can't do a Friday night, fellas. You gotta everybody's gonna miss it. And they did you don't get all the coverage of the classic everybody stayed up too late for instead. It was like, yeah. That was awesome. What are we doing Saturday? Paulie? That was my best weekend was the the Sandler song for him too. I think most people knew that he was let go and not renewed by NBC with a bunch of people from SNL. And so what he played it. I was I knew the story a little, but the fact they saying it was great. Do you have a worst? No worst of the weekend. Kentucky Derby parties that go too long for one hundred Alex. Well, it depends on when you start them. Yeah. Well, because the derby starts at six forty five most people thinks it starts at five people got to my house at four now. I look up and it's ten fifteen and this was supposed to be like a late afternoon early evening party. And then we all supposed to go to our separate quarters and at ten fifteen there's gotta be a way to send a better message because drunk people don't get it. When you're cleaning up around them. Yeah. I had that why was running the sweeper Yan and the guest just lifted his feet up as I was. I thought you know, that's my message because the Christmas party went too long, and I just brought up the vacuum cleaner. And he was watching TV and he just lifted his feet up. And I went under his feet go back to drinking your two hundred dollars dollar whiskey. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing. You always gotta watch whatever you put out is fair game. And the first time I did the Christmas party. I remember I had some expensive alcohol there. And I at one point go down and one of my neighbors has the bottle and he's halfway through it. You know, it now that you gave us that breaking bad bottle of vodka just notice a couple of weeks ago that somebody had drank like half of it. Damn it. What did you do? I gave these guys it's Heisenberg vodka. It's the breaking bad vodka. I thought it would be something you might keep first prices collective drinking up. All right. Final hour coming up. Dan, Patrick show. Hey, it's Ross Tucker from the Ross Tucker football podcast out under review show with hosts Damon de here at podcast one presented by pedal. Online dot h you get the odds news and insights from real industry insiders. This isn't your typical Shawki picks show. Download new episodes of under review presented by bed online. Every week on apple podcasts and podcast one. The NBA playoffs are full swing the warriors. And the rockets the Sixers and the raptors, and they'll gets into blazers the Celtics and the bucks if you're looking at some excitement make bet the aside, you're betting partner for all the MBA us bet the assize live betting platform where you could watch all the events until the final whistle. New members. 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This is all it's done done because of the end of the Russia investigation. The White House has been resistant to cooperate with Democrats investigations in congress on Fox News. The president was asked if former White House counsel, Don Mcgann will testify had him testifying already for thirty hours. So the answer. Really? So I don't think I can let him and then tell everybody else you can't attorney general William bar said no to testifying yesterday before the House Judiciary committee. You testified Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary committee and house. Speaker Nancy Pelosi says bar was not truthful Torney general Adid United States of America is not telling the truth to the congress of the United States. That's a crime. And the Justice department responded saying the allegations by Pelosi, a reckless and faults House Democrats are poised to hold bar in contempt of court can can congress. I'm Ed Donahue.

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HARD FACTOR 5/6: AOC's Bearded Beau, TSA Passes on Grass, and a Kentucky Derby Recap

Hard Factor

24:47 min | 1 year ago

HARD FACTOR 5/6: AOC's Bearded Beau, TSA Passes on Grass, and a Kentucky Derby Recap

"Wooded you Joe, man. Randy savage this factor in the risk. No one that does better. Now, does it better repeat myself? Go ahead told me something right now. Moderate. Lord walk into another episode apart factor. It is Monday may six top stores today. Mark is gonna tell us all about AOL sees strapping new boyfriend. Yeah. What do they call it? You're your Bo you, bow your bags more her, bud. Yeah. Yeah. But major, but all right. Wes is going to tell about TSA, they say, they're not looking for your wheat. Yeah. I don't know whether or not to believe them, but I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing. Yeah. Which is bringing weed which is bringing. We'd all right, which is. Wherever you go. Pat is going to give us a recap of the Kentucky, Derby, the Kentucky Derby. I think that's how it's pronounced. Yeah. There was a race this weekend. Don't has caught it. So. Derby sorbet. No one knows them stubbing yesterday. Kentucky Derby, right? I'll take lightning round of other headlines take it away. Mark kay. So Alexandria, a- Sasha Cortez's new documentary knocked down the house was released on Netflix this month, and as you could expect there was some backlash or controversy surrounding the freshman superstar congresswoman's film, as there seems to be with everything she does she can't you can't just fly under the radar the controversy hovers coming from an unexpected place as it turns out that ASEF's dating a very unattractive and unkempt, man. He looks like Seth Rogan stunt double for the movie longshot specifically the scenes where like south Reagan was getting injured and following downstairs and shit. Like that like when when he got back up and looked like shit. Yeah. He this guy's this guy's not that great. He's got his ears to orange way to orange to have as big a beard as got right? And I have this problem too. When I let my beard grow. It's just I'm lazy. Right. So I don't I don't have one of those beard steamers that make it look. Nice. It looks like what like pubis long curly. Pugh are coming off. That guy's face a beard steamers of thing. Yeah. Like what it steam it? Make it look long and nice oils, but never Steve same. Same type of thing. Yeah. I totally different. Well, you don't have a beard. So why would you? For twenty years with this guy is no you've never had a beard. Not a good one. This the problem with this guy. You. Are you kidding me? Right now. I would absolutely destroy you. If I shave my beard outgrow mind back seven times you grow. Anyway beard beard off. Role of nothing on me on total shit. Another official. This guy had a really bad beard and he had a bad haircut. And he looked really bad documentary like you didn't change, and it's like a Bank, teller shower Bank teller. So the disgusting slob of a man is name is Riley Roberts getting twenty nine years old. He's a social media consultant who apparently has been dating for very long time about the same amount of time. Then his job that job named just like infuriates, baby boomers, social media consultant, that's an actual thing. Yeah. I mean, there's a real thing. I mean, I think we could use his services. Maybe we'll get hired fulltime. If we get anything like what he tells her. It's just tweet seven hundred thousand times a day because that's AS's. Steve's surreal thing too. I mean, he must also have a huge penis because he's he's been dating for awhile. It doesn't look. Anyways. After getting crucified online someone referred to Roberts as a been raccoon even Roberts decided to take action. So that action was getting a haircut. And that's in a European sends a been a trash can. Yeah. A trash can Recode like raccoons eating trash, which was just the raccoons kinda dumb 'cause. Yeah. All right. Good record record. So see put out an Instagram video, and she captioned it the internet roasted Riley into getting a haircut slash glow. Up after hashtag knock down the house and in the video. She can be heard saying, oh, you look so good. Oh, look at that shape up because he got a haircut a beer trip. She was stoked about that having having dated women before they hate it. When you get fat and slovenly, they really just let it especially when everyone in the world sometimes to. Yeah. You think will you think they like it? Now, they don't give you. I mean, I don't know. I mean in some situations people may like it. I think that probably doesn't like a lot of the backlash. She gets. But I think. That she liked the backlash. She was very happy. She's very here that Riley tightened it up. He's getting haircuts regularly and doing situps now, I get that a lot of people are defending Riley also as well as making fun of him. And a lot of people are mad at people making fun of him for judging him on his appearance. But listen, I mean, you can't actually gets no everyone just isn't enough time to meet everyone in the world good judging someone by their looks as a great way to judge someone that you don't care to get to know. What else? Do you go to judge the only way to do it? I judge people on it looks on a daily basis. Like, okay. I hate people looking at it. Be real here. Anyways, if you look at some of his older pictures, he was not always a slob. He was in pretty good shape in a decent looking guy. So maybe he can get back together. Let's say the internet. Our internet commoner is the famous been raccoon lady Marie Leconte who's like a French feminists journalists from what I gather. She's a journalist is you're saying this stuff. She's like a big social media person. Oh, jesus. Fucking Christ fine. I'm deleted my perfectly fine joke. The world breeze sigh of relief as men with beards looking at braided Pugh are no longer being distributed discriminated against at and been raccoon officially becomes beyond the pale, which I don't know what the fuck beyond the pale means cranes like now that because it is over the line. She's like she's like doing the social I've been socially, she at least. She loves us. Well, done everyone involved. Marie by the way is not very good. She also doesn't I've tried to grow. My pupils long. To where he can braid them. And you can't not on your face. You can't because you can't grow a beard. That's such shit. Pat. That's because your beard hairs, not long. Yeah. You can't grow that law. You walked right into that. He's never had appeared the size of braiding. You've never had a breakable beard. I mean that's five years. I literally got no fight with my father when I was graduating from high school 'cause I wouldn't have a beard on my graduation picture. And he was like no I could his head. He was like, you don't have you can't grow. It's not that big. It's not that. Nice. Beer of today's dominate. You. Look you've had shitty facial hair longer than me. But I grow fantastic. You have me confused PFC commenter book. I think I think that we should all be kind of courage by the story because we all kind of have show the according to her boyfriend what he looks like. But it's also we should mostly be humiliated because fat bearded white guys talk about politics are the most pathetic motif of a loser in two thousand nineteen when you consider like the reaction to this guy. And then also the Seth Rogan scared, and we could we could change the show to Ben raccoon -actly, right coons. On. I'm not gonna come back because I grow shitty beard, so moving on you thought you were going gonna miss mother's day because you kept putting off getting a gift, and you did it was yesterday, and she had a horrible day. 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If you don't you will forget and don't fuck up mother's day. Some really comforting news for cannabis lovers coming from the vian an Instagram post. Those apparently posted on four twenty somehow we overlooked at maybe because we were getting high cannabis Cup missed it seems it seems they really don't give a fuck about those edible Gumy's that you snuck into your like, gummy vitamin bottle just trying to be all secretive. All they really care about is saving us from getting blown up or shot. So in the Instagram posts whoever's in charge of the count- posted this quote, or we call we like to think we're cool we want you to have a pleasant experience at the airport in arrive safely, your destination but getting caught while trying to fly with marijuana or cannabis infused products can really harsh your mellow. Let us be blunt. Really nail TSA offers TSA officers do not search for marijuana or other legal drugs are screening procedures focused on security and detecting potential threats. But in the event substance appears to be marijuana cannabis infused. We are required by federal law because it's still illegal federally to notify law enforcement. This includes items that are used for medical sources, so one of the fucking dogs therefore smelling bombs instead of bombs heading the dog marijuana to now, the only trained in one I don't know. Yeah. That is true. But I don't know if the dogs can smell marijuana infused products like have Gumy's, can I don't know way. But flower four sheriff shirt your show show. Yeah. I mean, I think you could shell like infused products. Like, it's still cares. The odor. Do they even have I've never seen dogs in domestic airports too much. But I got dogged up twice in the past six months domestic. Yeah. I've seen Austin. I've seen dogs at Denver and L A. Yeah. Makes sense where to move your back to the other side's bop. The dog of the head and a lot of people it is. And they just have the the dog. Just Bob hitting the head like fifteen. I mean, so what from what I can gather. It's illegals. Asian is definitely coming. It's getting harder to regulate travel with all the states that have legalized it. And they don't wanna spend the time and manpower worrying about everyone who has a few parole. Roll stuffed inside their shoes as Vegas or Denver. They don't give exactly I was gonna I was gonna say Vialli input on this store is the only literal legal state for a little while. Now is like you just forget about it. When you because you always leave the legal state with it. And yeah, you bring it back on accident. You forget about or whatever I just have never haven't been hassled all the time. I lived here. So yeah. I mean, I carried a couple of pre rolls and a bag of clearly labeled Gumy's back from California, and you know, kinda nervous about it a little bit. But we talk because west and I were on the same flight, and he sent me the most pathetic text like going to get the cab now. And then I find out later that he was just he ate a bunch of before we got on the flight to that help or. Doing that was like. Awaken in the cabin just down to edibles. Fuck it. Nice move, endurance light. It was a fine flat. I think I slept most of the flight. Yeah. Exactly. You have a great flight whenever do that. Hey, instead of throwing it in the trash people just take them. Enjoy the flag just take one hundred fifty milligrams. For the cab. Well, that brings up a pro tip move. If you're under the legal age to purchase marijuana or just can't get it for your poor Goto the trash bin at the rental car return. Good idea any legal state. Yeah. I probably throw a thousand dollars marijuana away at the LAX trash. You know? It's funny is what's funny is on the way out of the of the hotel one of the pre rolls. I found was sitting on top of the trash cans. So that someone. Joy, and I nabbed it. Yeah. So basically, it's essentially up to the agent who finds her goodies whether or not they're just going to toss it call. You an idiot until you to move on or call the police probably spending how much it is. Don't bring like obviously can't have like Alice's announces of weed. That's the you know. The logic. They're not opening the doors for drug, trafficking know, exactly. So in fact, at McCarron, the Las Vegas airport and several other airports. They have these amnesty boxes where paranoid travelers forgot. They had weed in their bags or just completely pussy out. Can throw it away without fear getting trouble. Yeah. You will quote unquote, get in trouble. Even though you're not breaking the law McCarron because it's in the state of Nevada. So you don't you're not even breaking the law by having an on you. It's actually illegal inside the airport at MacKay. Okay. But not at all, no. No. But the issue is then the local PD are the ones that have to deal with you. And it's not illegal that I've got out there Anglesey box in a few. In the past. I'd like an empty boxes from the things. I've said that's what it means for sure. Yeah. Lifetime amnesty. Exactly. So I mean, basically do a quick Google search for the airports or flying out of see what people are saying don't be greedy. And you should not get anything more than a slap. If you're caught and remember canvas is still legal on the federal level. So going to internet Jason Z dizzy says quote for everyone thinks this is a trap. It's really not TSA is literally saying we won't care as long as you don't get caught. So I don't know Jalen triple coming. It's like find you can get. Well, what about go for what about the shot out the Jonathan Jonathan citing this weekend? Yeah. Pretty pretty shirt English products. So we had a competition at the four twenty hard factor cannabis Cup. Our where we did the chill bro in the world. Jonathan was dubbed the chills bro Buddha at an who was our camera. There found ran into Jonathan randomly wearing hard factor shirt in New York City. Yes. When I first saw that I thought it was the creepiest thing in the world. I was like. This is the same neighbor. Yes. Turns out it was completely random and not weird. I mean, he was wearing a shirt which one in a billion. Yeah. It's incredible. Think about how much Jonathan flew home with Sacramento New York that when he so much we I don't we gave him a bunch of. We'd like for winning chills, bro. So he probably had so much fucking weed with. Yeah. I don't think Jonathan's human. I think he's like a spirit like chill spirit like he shows up when you're like. Most. He's just there. John, John where do you live because I live with you wanna know what he does for a living on nothing. Apparently there was there was a horse race this weekend. I knew of the race. But I didn't really know much about it. And on our group text threat. I read some of the heart factor guys. We're putting together some sweet action to bet on the phones with Marcus each had a couple hundred ride on the phone. Fuck you improbable. And although I know nothing about the sport or just sports in general severe foam when it comes to hot action. I wanna get in. So as as as I was on my plane. It's my plane on the tarmac coming back to Austin this weekend, I transferred to hundred dollars for my bitcoin account to my gambling account which had recently been depleted two zero making the eighty second time that's happened since I opened my account in college. When PF t mentioned something about a Super Bowl happening in two thousand six. Anyway, spread one hundred about the Super Bowl, and you bet on it. Yeah. It was a super sounded exciting. So I was it made. Yeah. I don't know. I yeah. It was on television. I was I was eating dip the whole time. And apparently, I want something like a spread one hundred of my two hundred dollars on horses randomly right before the stewardess threatened to take my phone away because we're taking off and right before the place bet button, I spotted the name country house, and because of my dyslexia, I read it as country horse. And if there's one thing I know about a country horse is it's always got a shot to be one of those snitty city horses. So I threw country horse onto my ticket for twenty dollars. And when I landed I check my account, and I had not two hundred dollars. But instead a cool fourteen hundred sixteen dollars forty three cents on my account. One one like thirteen hundred bucks on thirteen twenty four texted. Mark who more or less has to explain to me why I win or lose any bad. I make and he loves explaining things in detail. So it's somebody relationship. Right. I like numbers like that's why I said I could grow a beard seven times faster than you. I like to. Strategize. Stories. So I didn't come up with that number off the top of my head that was thought out, right? And we're I'm comfortable admitting my my faults and saying that you're better at things I am insert respects. I also am very smart. And I know that I can grow faster than you. Anyway, thank you to number twenty country horse for our country house for covering this month's rent for me. And what's more? I here there's bit of controversy about who actually won the race. And I had no idea crews in the friendly sky. So what happened country house one no maximum security won the race? Maximum-security won this race it it's so upsetting. How these fucking people like hundred forty five years of Kentucky derbies hundred forty five years. They never overturn the winner over somebody protesting the win. But because this horse slightly bumped slightly bumped the horse next to it, not even wrong. It wasn't a bump. He impeded. He crossed over lanes and incoherent the horse's hind touched tubes. This is touch touched tubes. This will this. Let's just pretend for a second like maximum security was like Clemson and the horse behind them like LSU, and it's like a questionable like pass interference call will. Holy. I hope they wouldn't take away the win on the clear winner. What the fuck it race take it away. Here's what he impeded on impeded on Vegas winning millions and millions of dollars because everyone bet on maximum security. No one but Pat on country house, right? And maximum security code or Gary west criticized the race stewards disqualification of his horses Kentucky Derby victory as agreed. Yes. He said he's pondering nextstep which includes a possible appeal maximum security was undefeated up until that feel bad for the west Marian. Gary west estimated value of two point three billion dollars tough tough day for them really bad for Marian. Gary, here's a fun related. Jerry, Gary is going to bear these past few their kids name Meiring. Yeah. They're looking Kerry children. They have their their grandchild. They're all very same as Stary. And in other news sad story, that's becoming all too common. Nineteen Ninety-seven Kentucky. Derby winner, silver, charm is broke. It seems the former champion horse had career earnings of seven million dollars and is now selling his shit for two hundred dollars a pop that is a fall from grace. You used to be selling come for for? Hundred grand cop. Now is no so interred for two hundred he's on camera. Delivered the home delivery. The horse dung being packaged in Mason jars and being marketed as derby turns it's sad really professional horse racing really needs to do something about these. He needs they need to provide these horses with some sort of financial management or counseling when they enter league. I mean, you just can't expect an athlete who starts making six figures. Two or three years old to know how to spend save responsible sources like the Alan Iverson of horses. Yeah. Allen Iverson could've bought a Honda Civic everyday for fifteen years with his career winnings. Can't afford a cheese. Okay. The internet commented for the day. Donald Trump's has only in these days of political correctness could such an overturn occur the best horse. Did not win the Kentucky Derby, not even close. That is true. But a foul did occur vacation store. They pushed the occasion of America. Where we put two of his horses. He was leading from the beginning to the Andy crush stuffy. Was are you his own is against the president? Yeah. Hundred and twenty four dollars on twenty. Let's get over to lightning round. Lightning bolt. There's a there's a there's an airline tragedy in Moscow there were seventy three passengers five crew members on board the Sukhoi superjet one hundred plane operated by the Russian airline, aero loft. It took off from Moscow bound for the northern city of Murmansk Russia, but it was forced to turn back for an emergency landing due to unspecified technical reasons on quote, it was rush looting the engine catching on fire. So that's a bad technical reason to turn around, and unfortunately, it's a tragedy because forty one people died in the accident. That's terrible that sucks though. Because like every time something happens on your plane. You know that the pilot is lying to you. And this just reinforces that bullshit. Difficulty. Eating crazy. Always think engine failure the second anything's like go to your seats or right? This is like. His realized. Yeah, exactly catering. Creole Mike the sound. Both engines myself, I'm working, I call someone that's like like peanuts. When the parents like all I hear is engine failure engine failure the whole time. The pilots. Engines failed. Yeah, exactly not not a good thing. There's crazy video that again tragedy. Forty one people dead in Moscow. Sorry, hopefully, everybody is recovering more, bad plain news. So foaling the American airspace juggernaut whose planes have had to be banned from the sky do their safety issues. Now admits that they know they knew about the problem with the seven thirty seven max at least a year in advance of all the crashes happening, but they also still say that had nothing to do with those crashes put at the same time. They're also still saying that they're going to fix the problem. So that the seven thirty seven Max's can get back in the sky because because they need. Because they need to fix it before the flag put it at nothing to do with the crashes again. So they're saying the pilots didn't know the thousand step procedure that they knew to fix it while going to earth plummeting. This is a tough lightning around for planes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not not a good day. Not a good day for the airlines, the friendly skies on this on this episode except for Pat hit of giant bet when he was on a plane, and I got upgraded to silver medallion status, delta. So. It's a real like give and take the way situation for the airlines. Lightning round of the day two suspects. In Harrisburg, Pennsylvania have been charged with stealing twenty one thousand dollars worth of panties from Victoria secret. It's young woman at a juvenile those assailants have family there. What's the young woman with them? Yeah. Did you try on? Then that's about two thousand pairs of underwear they stuffed into their bags from display shelves. Pretty sure they tried them all on. Yeah. We don't care what the juvenile shooting. Right. But the young woman young woman, who's sure the young woman tried all two thousand pairs. Kinda reminds me the formula man from last week, you know, the guy with the bonnet still in the formula. It's clearly a steel and flip operates. That's exactly right. Well, I mean, these these two young ladies only have one vagina each. So they don't need two thousand pairs of panties or underwear. They're selling them selling reminds me of our girl. Deborrah the demand arena. Oh, yeah. They to the nearest sauna and just stayed there. Right. Your business model? Less sweat in the sauna. So they could get their vaginas really sweaty to Bora Bora mentioned she would wear multiple pairs didn't wear. Multiple pairs time. The she's an be unethical. It's unethical. So totally unethical. You gotta have not fabric contact crew. Hooch Kuch Kuch e you know, that week that gushy that that go she's high anyways. And that's it for our factor on this Monday. Hopefully, you're not going to be too hung over at work or in class wherever you're headed as always thank you for listening and most importantly have yourself a great fucking Monday.

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The Ripple Effect

Other People's Shoes

1:19:00 hr | 1 year ago

The Ripple Effect

"The I don't know about you when I'm looking for plummer. I like to read reviews. Adviser Dot Com gave me some reviews on our sponsor. Art a plumbing call them. They arrived on time immediately. Found the plumbing new and fixed it right the first time I called him last year. It was great. I called him again this year because I had a problem again they came out. They fixed the problem. They even gave me solutions to help. Stop the problem in the future at five. Four one nine four servive. Thank you so much for joining us. On other people's shoes today's episode is called the ripple effect and you're going to hear about why in this episode. I at least I hope so. I sit down with a gentleman today by the name of Caleb La Plante and Caleb is fantastic. He is doing so many amazing. Doing things in the grants pass community from the kite and balloon festival to real estate to some aviation stuff. He is doing it all and my question for you. Why are you getting involved in your community here? How he's getting involved in his and maybe some ideas on how you can get involved in yours? Hope hope you're ready because here we go me certain who want to change eh into other people's shoes. Of course I am your host Neal Matthews. Today I sit across from me my guest. Who is the president of Southern Oregon? Eric Kademi Oh yeah. And he's also the founder of grant's pass Balloon Saloon and Kite Festival. Oh did I also mention. He's also a real estate agent. That's right if you're looking for home or know someone that is remembered generations real estate. Welcome in my guests. KALEB LA- Plant Caleb. How are you neil? Good so I'm so excited to have you here today A I think really cool to take place right longtime in the making twenty ten eleven. Maybe we met and it's been a almost that entire time since talking or anything right and so we just kind of on a on a whim on a on a really weird tweet you know kind of reconnect and so so. That's fun so we're GonNa Rian leadoff with my favorite question and then I'll I want to share something with you so we've got to get the way I so Shoe size shoe do you wear. I had a chance to catch up on a couple of episodes. Yeah this is the only question you're ready for. AH The rest. That's going to be mean you D- I wonder if any of your other thirty something guests have answered this way so depending on what. I'm MM shopping for it. And this is why online shopping with returns is so important one nine nine and a half and I don't know why but I'm a I'm a a variable shoes and boots. I'm riffing a bit here but my wife will joke and others know me for maybe six years. That's like my thing I wear boots. Is there like a brand new boots cowboy boots or you like. What kind of boots are we talking now? You're now you're really getting into it. So there is a brand liking Iran. And this'll this'll be funny. It's not so it was devastating to me at first but I find it funny now. I wore Chinook boots for the longest time I found a parallel act and went through several several over the number of years and then Chinook just discontinued them cynically listening right now my my friend he's telling this is temporary and the Nice Gentleman Saddam. Sorry but thank you for all of your shoe. Purchase love over the years and now I'm wearing something not because I didn't like him. There are other stuff so I don't I don't hate him but now onto something else wow. That's a devastating perseverance through the shoe. We're GONNA get into that. So this is how funny this is so you know. Facebook is good for for something. Sometimes it's good for bad things so I'm going to read this to so you don't even know this was coming is says. Hi Bro this. Is You writing to me either way. I Bro. Talk to the newest radio. we'll just leave it at radio. Dj The other day listed. All the folks You knew over there. She gave me the bad news about you being let go. I'm really sorry to hear that. But Hey a life to buy you lunch tomorrow. Pep Talk Prayer Talk General Bro Company Company. Are you interested. Remember we serve a God who never fails us. I believe that with all my heart. Talk to you soon dug that up. Uh I'm glad he actually. I was in a message. Wow and when I message do the other day on facebook about our meet up today that there's the next and I was just like holy smokes by the way data on this. I want to date this. So this is August sixteenth. Weird two thousand eleven. Yeah so I had to pick right. I didn't actually go back such but I thought it was ten or eleven so there we go. Why on Earth would you send a message is like that too guy? You don't even know really good or really. Well I guess my English teachers now freaking out really well the comment about how many times they use bro in twenty. We know that was the thing I guess I worked for Dutch prose then and Bruce to call and find with switching out a good for a well. They're okay. I didn't know each other. We didn't well. Well good good but we met through work yes we did. I was doing the sales manager position Gary West meets and Jacksonville and you came calling and there was a special event it might have been the dog run events something that we needed to promote right so we were utilizing your professional abilities question that that the currency. Yeah but then I think we'll just working together through a limited capacity. I remember standing downstairs in the shipping room visiting for a while. I don't know the details and it was a good thirty minutes was it was a wonderful conversation. Is and that's what's great about businesses that brings people together and I probably sent that message because I was doing follow up or who knows why and got the the word that you're you were gone. And maybe this is a trait that this is such an interesting thing to timestamps something. I wasn't expecting to come because it makes you think. Who am I really versus who? I am today because a circumstance. That's probably always been a person who likes to just do little bits of caring nece. It feels good to me but I know it means a lot to people. I love it when people do it for for me so I probably thought to myself he just asked me. Why did I thought I've been there? I've been let go and I would like a little bit of a Houria just making sure you got somebody to to hear you or hang with you at this time and and I know I just I just thought that was really funny and it really spoke to me the other day when I was getting ready for our chat today and I was just like. Are you kidding me. Wow Two thousand eleven. What was I doing in two thousand and reading it comprise meet them? Yeah I didn't want to prep you for that. I wanted your reaction. I feel like I got it so that kind of leads into my next question is just. It's really you and your character because I think the more I've discovered about you through the years and now kind of catching up again and seeing your social media media presence and things that you're doing and things that you're involved in first off wow We'll get into some of that a little bit later. But but why do you think it's so important. In how in the why is it so important for people to pour into their community. Because I know you're big on that. So why do you think that people should should pour into their community. Just is getting ready to it. You're going to fix glad we're starting our I mean we. We don't wait in the water here. We just kind of cannonball in as I say so often on this show so now the community bit for me is bigger than just volunteering. or It's good for my business or it makes me you feel good. Start on this one. You probably want to lead this discussion leader around the real estate topical. Try to keep some of this history brief just so we can hit it the way that you'd like to leader but I did get licensed in twenty twelve as a broker and not too long thereafter. I went to Salem as part of the realtor rally day I saw a big sign of the Capitol steps. You know hundreds of realtors come from all over the state I think. We're one of the biggest lobbying groups it was just. We got some things we want. It wasn't like you were pitchforks. Works we were just talking to our legislators and the sign at the front said realtors are fifteen percent of GDP the real estate sales world so that's contractors tractors that's mortgage and I came home from that still pretty pretty much a young. I thirty four ISH. Thirty three thirty five and I thought I'm trying to remember the legislative live cycle was yes. It's odd year so thirty five and I thought what does that mean. It means that. We're we're literally responsible for for a good chunk not a majority but of how are communities. Look and feel. This is the real thing. You don't have to be a realtor off on community but it got me really thinking I'd been involved in some things and wanting to try to dabble prior to that We'll talk about rotary. I'm sure you've seen my rotary stuff. Here my gear my swag and and if you follow on social you'll hear that but I was just finding rotary about that same time. So that boosted amplified what I was doing in the community but even before that specially afterward I believe it's it's something your last guest actually was talking about this this disconnect from relationship and we're not choosing to be with people as much. I'm not down on that. Really isolated amount down on social. I'm not a some people say. Oh you're plugging in we're from real life and we're going into this digital I think digital's amazing for a lot of reasons but I I do feel that we do we can rhys through this transition processes society and technology is accelerating so fast we can lose touch with with our media world and this is kind of a game of physics or chemistry or some science. The world seem so big Dick the university you can take the globe you but the nation but it's two particles and this little town. I live in and this little valley that we live in these particles but it makes up the entire specimen specimen the entire less off the right where it makes the entire biology of whatever you're studying and the community I mean it really does right So Ardo town in our world hello is requires us to engage to make it what we want it to be otherwise it will probably just be mad or somebody else will hopefully with with good intent and ideals not that. I'm like Mr Superhero Guy. I mean you hope that if you leave it alone somebody else pick it up. It'll be what you want it to be. Well you gotTa make the world what you you want to be. And I think that's so important and I think that to me is what's so captivating about you a lot of respects for me any especially looking at the outside in the last really just last couple of days of really kind of digging into to your involvement and everything and obviously we will get more into that but but but I can I just ask this the more I see of your involvement in things. I think how the heck does find the time to do everything all the time. So so what's the secret to that because my time management skills are awful like anyone who knows me personally is probably raising their hand. Right now saying Caleb if you could somehow make Neil L. A.. Better Time Andrew. Please show him and tell him how. We'll try to be brief. I warned you before we started. I get wordy I think on this question just to keep a bit Kinda top level. The one principle is I just had to start somewhere. My management skills time management skills grew because I committed to it and then you tweak. Is You go and when I say start somewhere I started before I was even back here in the valley which was two thousand four. Like I'm talking about. I was on the East Coast over there after I left school and thought I we needed to have a date land and it was all by hand and I just sometimes sometimes not that morphed into Google calendar and then as I got into business I I had to be a little more intentional about how that structure got into the business and then it had like nonprofit stuff that was layered and we'll get the details but I just keep tweaking and tweaking. Google calendar I use all day appointments. I don't use the calendar part. I Color Code. It's pretty nerdy but I own minority a lot of different aspects and it's it isn't the only secret weapon if you will Some of it is is intent and some of it is just bold faith to say I believe in what I'm doing. I don't know how I'm GonNa do it but I have to do this. I can't not because we're probably going to get into this. I'm in a pretty much on on a journey to find out what my purpose is here of on their if activated in that way when I'm out doing stuff and I believe I hit a little vein of of whatever that's related to that. What do you do when you're when you decided I'm chasing my purpose and I see a little bit? They're going to be like well not today. And you figure it out. So there's that intent you have to really want something and and it's not. This isn't like crazy. Weird missus schism stuff. I mean it's it's a combination of having organization and having having commitment well again I think that leads into the next thing I wanted to kind of dig into a little bit too is obviously you're very driven person. And and I don't think everyone wakes up saying okay. Today's the day I'm GonNa be driven night. Nobody ever wakes up. Okay all right. Today's it's it's going to happen like I'm GONNA. I'm going to run a marathon. I'm GONNA do this. I'm going to do that book but really you're very driven right so how maybe how does that kind piggyback on this idea of you being so driven a couple of things there so the it sounds great when you ask the question and my answer. It sounds very idealistic. What it really looks like real world is sometimes I back myself in the situations that I have to find a way out of and sometimes they do have too many balls that I'm carrying people that have worked with with me closely especially many of them have learned to adapt? It isn't all about adapting to me but I mean when we were working together you gotta learn to figure that out with people in several That has not gone so well partially partially because wing. It always got a plan but it can be it can be sometimes last minute an also unknown as you're heading into the fray what we're doing it's it's a it's a bit of. I know we're going to figure it out and I do. But that's stressful. What was your question about Dr Driven Ribbon? Yeah I mean you're obviously a very driven person. So how would someone maybe get to be driven. I mentioned the word purpose. Let's start there. I didn't think a lot about purpose until two thousand fourteen business colleague of mine who is still very much trust and rely Dan. Doyle mortgage lender who is very good at what he does but also his orientation in life is inspiring and to me. He talked about purpose. He led my office at the time through some visiting and some Discussions around. What is purpose? Why do you consider it and do we believe that we have a purpose? While we're here individually I believe from that yes probably do and so then it started for me with I have a why then I knew that was my why I couldn't even write. He did how he had a purpose statement and I couldn't even figure it out in six or nine months what my starting place was but I felt it was there so that was my and I. I have since written purpose down and have formulated as I've gone. That's probably it. I was like well. I don't want I wanNA just assume I don't have one because I can't think of it right now. Now how do I find it. I have to get busy in doing. I've got the saying. I like to use faith. Plus action would actually gets you where you need to be action alone as potentially spinning wheels. Faith is all wishy washy fun I want it but I'm not doing anything together. REALLY PRETTY POWERFUL IN I had to get moving and in that process I discovered things about myself was interested in what was it. Good at was not good. At what did I want out of life. So action was really important but definitely that phase and I think single probably GonNa talk about a Christian faith perspective at some point but faith in general because both are relevant to me but faith in general just something you can't see but you believe it's there and you want to attain it and you're going to get moving toward that thing. Yeah I mean I think that's that's well put right is how do we move past this idea of I. Don't you know I have this idea. I have this concept. I have this thought but then putting that thought into action and then that a follow through I mean again. I'm just looking at all the stuff that you've accomplished since our last no real interaction together and I'm just like man it's just seems like everything it just keeps driving you forward and it's just to me. It's very commendable from that from that standpoint so I hope I hope others. I have the flexibility of time as a real estate broker and that's not afforded everyone but I do believe a lot of people with with with hours of the day that they're already pre committed two. Can they find it in their other hours to start doing some of this. When you get away from my own world I look into entrepreneurial communications like Gary Vader Chuck and other people who are messaging about this? They talk about the cracks days and how to find time to is the side Gig side hustle economy and there's there is capability there but it's more about mindset. Said what are you spend your time on your mind on when you're not working on life's responsibilities. I think that's where the winning game is because you could start small and grow that into you keep losing a threat of what your original questions. Where but I this is adding up? I think it is and I think what you're trying to say if I can maybe help be out here. A little bit is the standpoint of what are you have right. Each of us have twenty four. Yeah twenty four hours. This is what I'm referring to the twenty. Four each of us have that twenty four hours. So how are we going to spend in. And you're saying is trying to work within those margins that you have to be effective from what I'm hearing that's right and I did real estate on the side when I started so I had to find in time for that outside of my normal. And then as I transitioned to that I had more time still only have twenty four so I gotta find the time in. The cracks. Time at the time in the cracks is pretty big it and then when you find what you WANNA do they become more than the cracks. You can now start giving time to it because you figure up with. How's it going to either help me make money or help lead to something? That's going to be making my life stable and you can just grow the pieces that you find along the way that you started out in the cracks on. Yeah and I think in that. There's joy in that right. Yes very much rate joy in that and so that leads in the next thing that I kind of wanted to delete into his. Where do you find your greatest story right now because I mean you have so much going on right you have your family? You got kids. That's how we talked to you. There were no kids married but like I think so. Now there's no other kids and of course the wife's always been there and I have this job. You have this this this from this. You have this you have this. We just keep adding this many. Because there's the law so you find the greatest in life right now. It's not identifiable by a thing of the things that this is that you just mentioned. Although there are themes aviation the inspirational spiratou outside of that and aerospace the potential literally in space the commercialization of space something that thrills me in putting time into word that is a thing There's the other side of the coin which is vulnerability. This world is hurting. Whether you think of that from a Christian based sin and broken this or you think of it in terms of just it's a rough world and there's a lot of bad people don't have good intent in that spills into lives in terms of damage and trauma I a I wouldn't say that brings me. Joy brings me to the point of needing to do something but not even like as an activist. I go I want. I want to work on something that needs attention at that level and then I wanna come from the other decided inspirational opportunity side somewhere in the middle of that is is essential joy because I'm like there's balanced. They're not all driven for the upside. It's not all oh mired. In the downside you have both and only in the last year to actually buy identified largely where those two things lie anti human trafficking and taping foster and homeless youth has come together over the last six or eight years on the one side and the aviation pieces really together in the last three or four years and I like to talk talk about how those two contracts are are. We're in the middle you go. I'm a affecting change or affecting. Outcomes comes in both sides which are both important talking about that. The Air Academy Southern Oregon Eric Kademi I mean. I was fascinated. You buy that first off. I was trying to figure out how to get signed up to do some of that stuff and then I realized that you have to be in high school and Middle School to be part of that. Unfortunately I probably couldn't pass maturity wise as a high school or middle school or some would argue against that but but but my thought is is that you know what made you WanNa get molten my wife as a kid her grandfather and father. If anyone's listening is from Joseph County area area might know them from running the grants pass airport. When she was a kid she and her sister would fly with dad and just run around the airport? That wouldn't you wouldn't be the reason for me but it's part of our story now. My Part Aviation started when I got licensed. I just wanted to grow my business out of the area. I wanted to bring business from Silicon Valley buyers who wanted to relocate here and I needed to get down there I drive to go meet these folks of using other agents asking them for their referrals. got that going and then it was like eight hours down eight hours back. Oh Oh I should fly. I can't afford that licensing yet but I want to do that. It's something I want to aim for. went to the airport just figured out. Where can I plug into? Start Learning about aviation learn. They have a airport. Advisory Board would go went for a year every month during the meetings and sat in the public and met people and the Chamber of Commerce President President asked me I knew her through other projects asked me to fill the Chamber of Commerce siege when that vacancy happen so I've been sitting on that seat for a handful years the next summer her I learned. Oh we got this new thing. Some older volunteers were doing summer camps so of course they go get involved. Because I do. I go figure out why shouldn't say got involved when go see. It was all about capture this so I got my videographer camera. Person from real estate photo and we caught it and then we showed if people and they're like this is like like I thought this is really pretty cool and I should incorporate we should do more with this Granted I wasn't the only one there were several other professionals around our age is age. Who are already involved involved? And they wanted to get involved in a nonprofit INC effort and they helped us get grants. There's a facility that became available for very very low or no cost essentially extrordinary facility and we just decided to do it and now we've got an after school program. We're doing a high school plane build in our our next wave of development where kids will build the plane from scratch. They'll learn to fly. They'll sell it and it'll funded program. We've got a lot of other big plans. Those are just programs. We want to actually put of kids who have been with us a couple of years into a pathway to a career we just had the local airport signed an agreement with risa airlines so the horizon is investing in students to to get their license now to fly and we want to help develop engineers and mechanics so that that's our vision. The idea is aviation is an opportunity. There's it's woefully awfully short in skilled professionals right now just to me is an opportunity that means get people in in gear. Get them in those careers and they'll have a wonderful experience something that hopefully they love over their life and will be rewarding as well. That's what drives us. I just shake my head in disbelief. How this has just just exploded right? It's only a couple of years so you can really has exploded. Yeah and I think that's awesome so go back with with me on the time machine. There's a little reference for that one delorean. Let's jump to it right now. So what do you wish you had known back when you first started way way back when you first started kind of I mean before Gary West what what do you wish you could go back and tell that old self of yours about where you are now like in my twenties I started Jerry. I twenty seven. We were young. Yeah Yeah I mean I think towards the tail end of my time there. I was there over three years. Learned a lot prior to that that before I moved home in two thousand four hundred twenty four year old I was living in cities I left college. Twenty four years of my walkabout about if you will so. Let's start in that zone. I could talk to my younger self in my couple of years of college and prior but I think that is the part that is I look at myself off now I go. I think that's the guide. WanNa talk to my twenties early mid twenties. What would you tell that that young Caleb I remember talking to to my father at twenty five and rather emotional feeling like I missed it pop? I'm twenty five. I'm done and he was. He didn't give tapping how also also no no like like you're supposed to be who you are one of five of. But that's why I mean you're feeling like you haven't arrived summers. You have also in another respect. I was A bit of feeling defeated giving up like whatever whatever happens in my life. I missed it so dramatic backdown God thirty nine. I'm like I'm just getting started. It's I wouldn't just encourage me at that moment. I that's frames. The ideology of time there was so much. There's so much pressure. You're in that age range for me. I think others I would say try more. Because that's where I'm finding the sweet spot in my thirties and half as I around in my forties the more you try where you're gonNa find what you WANNA do. It requires a lot of sacrifice. It's not like you're trying stuff and it's just all fun. It means you gotta get off your duff breath get up and go meet people. Go try stuff and figure out what you like and what you're good at and what people want things they could do for them of value and then you start figuring some stuff. I found to be really specific. I don't know why I'm killing myself into my twenties. I didn't go get my real estate license or become a mortgage broker or anything that you could do your part time because I'd work shift at a restaurant or an evening shift. I mean how much time do you have around that I look at where segment might time now and I can get a ton done in two two hours. That's how I do it. Actually in blocks in small chunks here and there is a mix of this activity without from this was wildly. Different thing to the next. I could've done that my twenty. So if someone's listening I'd it certainly would say but if you're doing for work don't just think I'm biting time until I hit my thing someday down the road. Now you just need to get out and go explore a bit and find Out who you are and not allegiant where there was a great speaker I heard and you know this guy maybe you don't Lou talks about taking the stairs and I haven't I heard the reference but I know he has this crazy analogy like each step represent something and nobody gets to the school elevator and gets the top. It's like okay. I have arrived. Unfortunately we have to take the slow climb up the stairs right so yes. Each stair represents something so reminded me of that when you when you said that so we'll all kind unlinked that in our notes today but but going back to this. I'm sure there were references and resources. And and just maybe things that propelled you forward. And a Lotta honor respect. What were those kind of? Maybe a net show of really. What kind of hope get you on the path that you are on now when I started settling down my wife and I hadn't had our first kid yet so this is twenty eleven? I I wanted to get out in the community. I started going to chamber of Commerce trying some different groups and found that I liked meeting. People didn't amount to much right away other than it was an incident where I was like. I gotta do that. which out runabout and then the anti human trafficking opportunity came up? It wasn't I wouldn't I don't know that many would consider an opportunity in my mind. I did I thought well. Nobody's talking about that. That interests me. What what is that? And why don't you understand. It might have heard this from somewhere else and that has been a continuum from then to now but the first couple of years. Some people were doing something with it but it was. It was a bit of A. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just out there trying to teach classes at club. Northwest ago speak to groups occasionally go up to Salem for rally days that that was though that where I just get interested in something and go do it. I mean I I remember feeling I'd say to Chrissy especially when the kids came along with doing now. Why am I doing this stuff? 'cause I got other stuff to be doing. What was the response to that? We'll see like when we got into full time real estate. She's like what are you. What are you doing you need to be out doing? You know she's she's coming alongside you the real estate processes well not so much I mean I think she's. She's got her small business but she's been able to be home. which is something you can't see it on the on the airwaves here but behind us is her her business sign in our office? We share an office friendly crow. She makes kids closed from vintage fabric. Awesome yeah and I you know the reasons because it was. I was the fulltime employees worker at that point and so prior to that it was encouraging but she didn't get it either. I don't even know what I was doing it. I I know why was doing because I was doing what I just shared with you a minute ago. I need to just get busy with something. That wasn't responsibility in life and then but was an interest. I and I stuck with it even when I mean I I don't remember. How many competitions I? Why am I going to teach this class tonight? I mean there's maybe five people there but I just felt like I can't keep up with that led a lot of things. It certainly led me to twenty fourteen. When I was a speaker I was asked to be a speaker at this Rotary Club thing on anti human trafficking of course and the club was somewhat interested? I wouldn't say that. They were like disinterested but they're like wow. I didn't know that either but it wasn't this moment and then I got invited back so this is a answered your question. This is the second really important moment. The first one was just decided to do something. Get busy with it. Stick with it. The second was this is not a sales pitch for rotary. I think he doesn't have to be rotary. But I I talk now about principles that rotary brings its reputation. Resources and relationships rotary is an established organization international channel the local. They do service work but they're also very entrepreneurial driven it's about equipping you to learn what you need to do things and I had those three things now at my disposal burglary has a reputation. They have some financial resources and the relationships. There's a lot of people in Rotary even can help open up the doors for the work. You do also help. Open the door for more resources is that aren't within rotary grants which let's face it. I mean our world is driven and surrounded by resources. You have to have resources afford so I. I don't think there's anything wrong with what you're saying. No I will an. I underestimated though what it took to do work. And that's why I think there was wouldn't I wouldn't call it treading water but there certainly was a lot of talk of forward movement until I realize I need this stuff. It's not just about my effort. I've got to align with with things that that will bring effect. Bring Change Bring outcomes outcomes and so rotary I mean I. I don't know how much we want to get into that. I'll pause on that for now. You can you can come back to it. If you want. But Rotary has been a massive difference maker so aligning with something that that amplifies. What you want to do whether it's rotary or whether it's another organization it doesn't matter as long as that organization is a quipping mu right to do what you're passionate about to help? Put you in a position where you can be on potentially a platform or a stage or whatever to help your message to go out and why I mean whether it be robbery or something else I mean that really is the key right I agree okay. That's what it was for me right and I think that should be true for anybody wouldn't you wouldn't. You agree with that. I think so if I'm trying to extrapolate out of my experience what I think our principles and not just calebs thing where somebody else could try to apply something that that's a principle right. I I agree agree. Couldn't agree more. So here's here's where it's going to really maybe get a little unique for us. Personnel Perspective wise is is obviously you have any skill set. You're a pretty ticket right. You're driven we've talked about that. You're successful right. Not everyone has those skills not everyone has them. So what skills do you think have have again made you a unique way to be so successful. We you've you've mentioned several of them. I didn't even know this about myself when I started doing public speaking in small groups or even one on one people would say. Oh you can communicate. Well you're right. Not Everybody has that only to say that if you can't if you aren't comfortable in front of a group that's a that's a negative for view you've got other students always have ups and down sides where things strengths and not strengths. That one for me and it still is and I've learned into explore it more. I think I was winging before. But now I've I've learned to refine how I communicate intentionally and then another was exploring myspace in my mind. I've got a creative imaginative side. And when I started listening to music and putting things in my ear so now it's podcast and music. The good podcasts. Out Right now what is it I want to hear the brain. I don't I'm not a neurologist. I just I'm not a psychologist but I think it's two types of brain activity so the creative side for me. It wasn't just that's nice. I want to be creative. It allowed I mean all of a sudden now I vision stuff in my mind because I give I give time to create a thought but not just for the sake of expression for the sake of outcome I really want to want to do something affect an outcome and grow and learn and the process I got I got a picture of what it is. I'm doing where I'm going so that that taking taking time for in your brain space is important and learning to flex that muscle vision. Vision isn't so much fancy as it is literally tangible thing you can do to visiting his picturing in your mind something that has not yet there and then going in creating the thing you pictured on again I think it goes it. Bears repeating maybe in a lot of respects that if we're GONNA be successful in life we have to exercise right. We have exercise those muscles. We have to step out of that comfort zone. I mean I don't think you're gonNA wake up tomorrow. Go run a marathon. I mean maybe you are but unless you're prepared appeared unless you're putting in the training and the effort really I mean you you're not going to be as effective right. Your twitter feed last Friday. Had that fear and I'm going the budget but it's going to be close fear you have to exercise the muscle of working against fear when you addressed your fears regularly. You'll learn how to bring about skills skills that that will counteract you can get it out of the way something like something like that and I want to speak to fear because you haven't brought it up but since you said the muscle thing and that reminded let me about the quote on your twitter feed. I do this stuff scare this maybe sound. I sound on this Mike. Like oh this Guy Neil IOS what he's doing for were scattered altogether beautiful family wide. Great career I thank you for your free. Yes why why are you afraid and now leads into my next thing by the way so we could segue read into that. What is the most common reason why people fail in your mind or give up? We'll fear is there but let me frame it differently to start. We'll come back to fear itself confidence I mentioned earlier. I also don't want to be a fan boy like I didn't want to be Super Fan envoy about rotary. I don't WanNa get on a Gary Schick kick. But he's been in my years in front of is for three or four years. He's the only guy have turned on instagram for automatic alerts. He talks about how building self confidence isn't just for the fun of it because it makes you feel good if you believe in yourself but it isn't like from day one to do you go. I believe in myself little incremental shifts. But how do you learn to that. Self confidence will will be the thing you pull on the most to get through your fear. But how do you develop self confidence. And in my estimation in my opinion you have to stretch yourself beyond your comfort zone is to do a thing that once as you've done it that you really were kind of doubting in your mind your mind has these protection mechanisms right so part of the doubt and part of the fears just to protect you. It doesn't want you going out to do something that could kill. You were the negative pushed past that you learn to negate the potential for damage or negative. And you go. I'm going to grow and your your little scared. But you what happens when you get to the other side to go a little more confident myself and then owning that and focusing on that and letting that be your driver that certainly allowed because I just feel like I know I'm capable of this. I've done this. I think Henry Ford said one time if it all got taken away if for some reason I missed the big blind spot and it burned earn down to the ground in my business field. I know how to do it. I could do it again whether it's cars or something else because I learned along the way that's what it's about for me. It's about learning learning not what the outcome is. It's it's what I've learned to get there and it's incremental self confidence building and then that helps me pure the next veil of fear and more fear that's always waiting on the other side. There will be more fear it whatever. You're I'm sure Elon. Musk space fan. I insure as he thinks about the next thing. He's GonNa Pioneer. There's fear what if I fail. What if I can't do do that thing? And do you think fair. Fear has a way of crippling us in a lot of respects in your opinion and your experience. Yes because it tells me that I can't and I'm less than or I wasn't made for this or what will happen if I if I do fail and what will happen when we die we will Balui Louis Learn. Will what will people think I I do fail. I spy have failed. Even in relationships is the hardest. One when there's somebody who care here for and you've missed it or you've let them down. Those are really hard. The ones that get you those tear ducts. Or you're like I just wish I could do that. Different one that comes to mind I. I'm not comfortable talking about it yet because I haven't reconciled with this person but But yeah you know when you get your hands dirty and you're doing work. Can you roll up your sleeves. Together with people and and things can get sideways it can hurt feelers in Little Tendrils of Thought and commotion and I got I got one or two right now and I don't mean to say that I behaved terrible and I don't know that they were terrible but I listened to your last I episode and you're very open and so was this other very fun person to you about how you guys got sideways and it happens right and those are the hard ones so fail failure. What was your question? What fear yeah how does go back to my notes here? Let's let's see. What is the most common reason why people failed or give up so we could even make that personal? Like what's the most common reason why you feel or give Uh. I don't give up and sound so conceited and that's actually partially what I think drives some people to the relationships. That is so hard because what I what I sacrificed for. That isn't necessarily that. I put relationships behind things but refused to give up when the lockable go this. Isn't that important GAIL I go. I think it is. I think that we need to commit to good work and bigger work and just see it out and so I don't know what causes houses hopes to fail. Maybe it's because they're reasonable and rational people and they and they realized that that okay the stakes aren't that high and I got other priorities so so some of this is a sanity check. I'M NOT GONNA say that it's all wonderful rainbows and some of it's like I don't know why you do. It doesn't look so sane to me on the on the outside right. Sometimes you're saying it looks very interesting and very rewarding and maybe even successful and I think that other people who who are in close go that takes a a fix a lot. I wonder if that's for me well and I think that's the key. Right is so many times in life. We get discouraged because of fear in in that discouragement. What happens is we allow that to that? We allow that fear that discouragement. To maybe speak louder than than maybe somebody else else has. It ever occurred in your life. Yeah I have nights even where in the last six months where I have felt. It's so loud I have to remind myself to get through the night and wake up the next morning and back in with flo them in because this space are mentioned is imaginative and creative envisioning. But it's also the place where he gets an echo chamber if if you get the wrong vibration frequency bouncing around in your brain boy. It just takes a little time for that thing. Stop echoing around and get out of your head. So that that negatively it's there and it can be powerful especially when it's personal and we make all things personally it should they should be personal but but that's also the other edge of the sort. Is that the personal can can really weigh on US heart and if it if it's critical for self critical that that's we gotta find ways to work through that. Sometimes it's just get through it. There's no answer. Just get through it to the side of the other day. Whatever it may be and again I think this just just building again on kind of our discussion? And that's this idea right. Do you have two kids now. Yes how old are they. JEMMA is five and Judah seven just a week or so ago. Wow little guys. We're not going to have three. I don't know if you were very blend asks them down now. So what were you. Teach your kids about perseverance. And what do you think they're seeing about about your perseverance so to question what are you gonNA teach them. And then what do you think they're seeing. Our kids. have some learning disabilities. They're mild autism spectrum. Okay they they have some speech delays challenges. They're getting getting quite long bill lately in. We're really proud of them. And it's not all about about standard measures of development. We try to remember that too. So where I'm at in my mind is having a father of five or six and seven year old. It's different than I thought. That's probably every parent's experience but I'm telling my wife earlier today when we were driving doing something fun. It's a common theme for us. I think how how do how do I work with Jude. When and we don't have as much verbal communication as I would hope thing and even when there's some some behavioral things that are challenged for for him because of his autism that that is a way of thinking? I don't have an answer but I love my son and I want to find a relationship with him. She's very encouraging about that. Don't worry if you're going to find it he loves A. UFM It'll be it'll be good and we have a relationship but it's it's pursuing it to that other level and that's a bit of perseverance. I think I don't know where he'll go developmentally but I imagine let's say as a seventeen year old or a twenty seven year old as he grows and he becomes more of who he is and we learn how to communicate. He may even inquire about his own disabilities and and how we relate to him. And I think I would love to share that with him him that mom and Dad to look at who Judas and and believe in that and then just find it as you go. I I thought about that subject perseverance before we started today because I didn't know where he wanted to go with that I never know where I wanna go by the way roll with it. I I I I was thinking that this is probably the most I've trapped in a while by the way I'm letting people behind the scenes so Garrett be aware he's not listening gear. It's not here with us today. But but Garrett's my executive producer and he's like. I don't understand how you like never rarely have questions but you carry on a conversation with some journalist analyst with wanted that from a young age so you develop those abilities. I if you're asking what I think. Our kids are witnessing certainly we. My wife has her own story which I won't share. But she's persevered through quite a bit including homeless as a high schooler and then as an adult some severe trauma the UH for for my end. I mean I think even today while she's not experiencing any of those things those are things she's working through still so our kids can witness her find occur journey and become become a find the answer. She needs for me as I grow and I describe everything I have already in this. podcast cast this process of discovering yourself. Finding yourself getting busy in chasing things and learning about as you go action and faith together for any time you get off that train. I don't want to say that you you have failed to persevere because it's all a choice as to whether we stay with it but but certainly there are many times that you wanNA give up in small moments enlargements and when you want an outcome you can't give up and so I think if my kids later outcome that you don't want to give up on all the balloon festival. We haven't talked about that from year one boy before we even launched day one quite literally launching Aviation Roberson anymore that was pun intended. Yeah yeah the festival without getting too detailed was jeopardy of not going off the first year and and we decided we're just going to. We're going to we. We was fifty fifty. But why give up. Let's went the other way. It ended up rolling towards happening and the very first night of the festival. It was all on me. I don't know anybody but he didn't check me on this but this was my idea to open up at eight thirty and we had a traffic jam. The daily courier posted the newspaper posted at eight thirty at night. For nine o'clock show failed. Failed this one. Thousand cars backed up from the festival site on the two hundred Acre farm into downtown grants pass and I remember feeling in that moment we still had two and a half more more days to go two days to go when I was like well first of all I want to give up right now but I'm not because I'm not that guy but after this weekend I'm done I'm done. This is the worst. And how's he doing it now. This this is the next year or so so I didn't give up and others around me certainly didn't give up that day. They deserve a lot of credit credit for that people who come along and decide decide to believe in it with you. That's a big thing when you find somebody who believes that something they do and I guess that's the key right in life to really be able to persevere effectively. Would you agree with this. That so you have to find that team to really support your passion and support where you're doing and then rally them right as the catalyst to say. Hey here we go love it or not. We're going forward right if they I think people instantly initially exciting. Because somebody's doing something. I WanNa do something cool. That's that's cool. Let's go but if it doesn't work for them like if it doesn't what they really want to do it doesn't mean that it's a bad thing if they back out later it just means that that's a bit of a risk for the person who's the point to the spirit because if you feel like you have a team but later you always they. They realize I was excited at first. But that's not what I don't want to necessarily run with this forever and now you don't have a team or a piece of the team so there's kind of this ongoing it isn't just a avengers. Assemble or mighty morphin power rangers and they become the rhetoric. See You you you go and then your job. I mean it's a bit of Evan flow of teamwork but yes I struggle with. I will do a thing because I know I I. I have a belief I can do it and we'll do it but but shouldn't be doing it. There should be other people that want to participate in this also and take responsibility and take some of the reward on the other end and the I do struggle with team team building with team maintenance in a weak point so I know that that's something that I'm looking to celebrate. When the time comes that I've started to figure that out more that's how I frame things instead of its present weaknesses I go? I know what I'm GonNa work on it so it's going to be better. You're going to be an awesome day when it gets better but I will say team teamwork especially on a big level. If you'RE GONNA start building organizations like we went through a board member change at southern Air Kademi. It took US eight months partly. Because I'm like how to build an effective team. We knew we had some retiring numbers over members and initially planned for that and then it was like what that might not work Eric. And then but we've we've got him on board of their amazing people but but you've got a learned like a team you see it on TV. I made these references. It's so easy to assemble a team. Right it's an and even the vendors had problems I mean the war or even our country country had problems for me this great team this great nation right because I know your constitutional talked about that a little bit but but I mean that's that's the whole idea of this right. His his is who's going to rally around you who's going to help persevered youth through these dark times when they come and I think that's why to me. My wife is so important me and I think your wife is so important to you right. We have that safety net that that person that controls on from the sidelines and maybe even jump in if we need them to and vice versa and vice versa. I personally wouldn't. You mentioned your wife. I'm wondering about her now. Because as you referenced her as a as a baseline for you and really support I go I. There's a lot there that you could share. Gosh and people will keep lobbying to have Iran. Ah still in contact. And that's what I always say. We're in contract negotiations. Her Asian hasn't gotten with our team yet. But but no I mean. I think it's important to have that great support system whether you have a wife or you have a husband but but maybe have somebody around your life really can push you forward. And I think that's going to help. You obviously persevered a lot of thing if I can see because how do you find that if you're not married yet or even if you are married and your spouse maybe support or maybe they are but they're just that they're not your team in the sense of I'm going to go do this thing that I like this where I will be a little unashamed or unabashed about rotary. But there's other ways to do I I I'm starting a new rotary club. It's launching on September thirtieth for younger professionals. It's for all ages but there will be without getting too nerdy about rotary. There's a second can't subset of road recalled Rodak for eighteen to three year olds. We don't have that that a rotary organization level here in our community of graphic. That's IT Yeah S. O.. R. Club the new Club of grant's pass downtown Hashtag G. P. D. Rotary. I've got stuff out videos about that. So that's why I referenced the Hashtag the the We have four clubs in Josephine county already. Fifteen in the rogue valley rotary is very present. This'll be an evening club for for the purpose of within a year or two starting this rotary motorist club which is exclusively for eighteen to thirty year olds and the new club will support the thirty year. Old Club hand in hand. It's something that I've looked in watched for awhile to see why isn't that wouldn't isn't that working are hasn't taken root here. I mentioned all of that to say that the purpose of this club is for people to do exactly exactly what I've been talking about this last piece when you're talking about finding people to support you to pick you up when you fail to encourage you to get out there to fail or grow or whatever ever that space is so important. It's not just the people the space to the people exist in one thing. We're not gonNA talk a ton about rotary here. But it's one thing if you want to reach got to learn more about why it's been so impactful to me. You can watch the videos on the Hash Tag. But I've had a place to go and people there and now I want to take that and put put it toward this young focus on eighteen to three year olds and because they're the ones we were just talking about like they don't know and I remember thinking now in my twenty s. I sure wish somebody would've would've you've given me a place to start testing and playing around with but it's a safe place in the sense that it's like you're not out there on your own you've got a group with people and so this isn't just about being eighteen to thirty. It's for all ages but I think if you're like I don't even know I don't know what I need a group I need somebody. A support space still exists assists with relationships. That will the whole point of the reason why we're gathered is to get out there and go do stuff in our community and to learn about ourselves and grow and provide and chase opportunity opportunity for ourselves and others. I I'm unabashedly. What's the word shamefully promoting my thing here but at the same time it's it's it's not necessarily a business? It's actually. This has been so good for me. I want to provide it for others and again right. That's the whole idea. Is this community this this idea of helping others. There's grow mentoring others because let's face it. I mean even back in. We knew each other at least for me. I didn't have a lot of business mentors that I could lean on. I didn't have a lot of people people that win. My job is bad. My bosses mean to me your whatever. Whatever I didn't have that support system I could go to professional and say listen? How do I push through this? It's just me is my own personality. A running amok here and maybe there could have been an older gentleman or somebody. Nice nice to come along and be like neo. Listen you're okay here. Know maybe you need to switch lanes maybe you need to get over here and do this because hey here's your skill set. This is what you're wired to do. You know yeah and I think that's important and I never had. Yeah and I don't think enough. Young people entering our workforce. Now as bad as it is for me to say because we're old don't have that right because we don't have time for that we just don't have time all right. Are you referring to our age group. Where you're I'm just referring to our age old time delays? Because we have marriages we have kids. We have this. We have this this this we have all of this is that you have a few of so. Let's get into one of your other. This is and that is this. Why should people use generations realist? Oh thanks that sounds Nice. Little little segway there. Will I have been working with John Scott for most of my real estate career. It's different if you're listening to. When you're in the valley the Medford National Journal? Scots are owned by one group where we invest costs. John Scott is separate but very much coordinated needed to separate owned in nunnelee. Was it a great place for me financially to grow my business it was an incredible place professionally to be around these agents who've been in twenty thirty eighty four years I said to my principal broker at one point. How did I get in this office again? A He always just encouraged me. Don't worry you're you're good here. Don't worry and and just being around people this is great. I hadn't thought about this ties in with what we were going to be talking about today. But I didn't even do anything intentional to do. Invested me but just being around them all the time. I learned a lot and I believed more about myself because I saw their belief in themselves after their many years of growing their our businesses but then the time came particularly the last couple of years is I knew what I wanted to do. More with my own real estate practice in property management and beyond I knew the day maybe maybe even a year ago I started talking to my broker about like I can't do property management here right and he's like no and it's like well maybe maybe something I could do at some point just not necessarily dropping hints but what kind of exploring it with him about what I can't do that led to generations real estate in March of Twenty nineteen I incorporated left John. Scott I don't have other agents yet but for me if you value having somebody that is With their time not just logging volunteer hours but really trying to build community and that's very entrepreneurial unreal when I say that it's these things of like starting nonprofits and figuring out what the what the problems are and working from a very low level up and not just for my surface topical level level. That's me in a real estate affords because of not only financial but time affords a broker the ability to do more with the time I believe than most and so so I've the last three or four years I haven't had to ask for a single piece of real estate business. That was not the case when I got in I work with some amazing people who believe in me not just as my the capabilities as a professional which I do feel good at what I do but they value the type of person that I choose to be in the time space of day that is not real real estate oriented and and that's not for everybody who's last night it was having a meeting with a new client who was referred to me and I make sure to be clear about that that you always come first. I never asked you to take a back seat to the other. But you're gonNA see me out doing a lot of stuff and sometimes you might wonder just like you did meal. How do you do that stuff is really give me what I need? I give you what you need. I promise promise but but there's more than just that not that other realtors aren't deep and don't have plenty of of important value to their community but that's something that's that's one of the reasons I went on my own. I don't WanNa do more with my expression of my self through my business and really needed a brand. I mean I can even later. My website launches. You'll read more about what the Word Generations Asians even means to me. It has several different angles. But I needed even my brand to represent who I was a person for asking no absolutely and so I wanna be clear on this to kill. It was not in any way financially supporting US show and I'm not financially in any way you know giving him this this avenue a new so I want to be crystal clear on that. We're really good friends. Just really connecting again for the first time in a very long time but I feel passionate about what he's doing and I wanted to give him him an opportunity to share what he's doing on that so if you're wondering about like what's the angle here. There's no angel is strictly so I WANNA be clear on it too so do type. Absolutely no reason to consider my business is this is going to go back to work community service. I'm really taking a hard crack at figuring out this housing crisis if you live in the road anywhere the what's happened. After the big crash of its river reverbrating now in ways that all communities identify with having housing issues in accessory dwelling units are away. That I'm doing that. I am not going to get in into nerdy geek out on that but I. I don't always or rarely even make money off of that but as a housing housing advocate as a housing professional. I'm working very diligently to figure out how to equip individual property owners that live in their own home to a a bill additional dwelling units on their own property so we can even one tenant that's out there having a hard time finding a place now has a place to go and we do that in Eh ten more units one hundred units and so I very much want to use my real estate professional abilities and and voiced. It's the people respect towards helping housing crisis. So we're here to talk about community. How do you how do you do that? I mean for me. I think he'd take what you have. And you apply it in a way that that beneficial. It's more than adjust yourself so if you like that first thing I said about my business but you also have a concern over the housing crisis. That's another reason to support or consider using my my. This is because I'm really going hard at trying to help with that. Yeah absolutely and I've seen that too soon. I think that's awesome. I mean I don't know all the particulars of it but I just I know your heart behind that and that's all I need to know really tag eighty us. Immigrants Videos other contact about eighty U S in grants pass. Yeah we'll we'll definitely then the show for sure so we're going to clinic close with this quote and then and then we'll play a game so that sounds fun okay. So why why is it so important to you. Do you think if we're going to be part of the solution. We have to engage in the problem. And you're asking me what I think of that. Why do you think that should be important to molly us but to you say back okay? What about the solution is if we so? Yeah I'll I'll go over time so if we're going to be part of the solution we have to engage in the problems. And you're asking what I think of that. Yeah we got to start with understanding. I imagine this isn't necessarily be speaking from my own experience in where I have a lot of examples to give you but it does make sense to me that engaging with the problem isn't just I think I know what it is today. I'm going to go do that. It's I don't know what I need to know about the problem. There spent some time even after I have enough under my belt of knowing what it is always in that frame of mind of. I don't need to be mindful in an open. A about what it is that this problem is at all all times and not presume that you got it and now I got the answers and go so engaging with the problem means understanding it would also say that it means making making sure that you have opportunities to empathize so that it isn't just there's a problem I'm over here I want to you know. Throw some love or throw some care packages over there. I mean Sir all figured as examples whatever it is I'm not gonNA I don't know that it means like some great civil and social leaders have in time gone onto the thing or or or changed their lifestyles to literally experience with a problem is but it does mean making sure you can empathize. And and then why do I wanNA. I haven't read the book but I've I've never forgotten. There's a title of a book called Toxic Charity. I think or toxic something or other that is abou now it's toxic cherry and it's the idea that we just WanNa feel good about ourselves so we go do something that we perceive as good. So if you're if you're talking about participating solution and by engaging with the problem thank you need to know what it is that do you really want to solve that problem or is it just about your need to. I mean I'm checking myself here you know. I thought I think about this all the time. But you can't stop checking yourself you better make sure you're you're intent or your. Your awareness is correct or true around around the the purpose for being there. I bet you as you focus the last two really do resonate with me. The first one I mentioned just more of an understanding. But it's not so much my own personal I can say they'll through all three that if you're if you're thinking about those things in regard to any problem then that will that will put you in place to to be a part of a solution and and not just fabricate solution or or can imagine the solution you never get there. I think the solution isn't what we ever think it's it's going to be or how we get there and that means you got to get into it and get dirty but you gotta get you gotTa get close and I think you've gotta deal with a little bit of the mass to right in order to be part of that solution really got to get in. I think you do have to older. Sometimes there's that empathy right. How you know somebody else's feeling if you don't are harding? Are you gonNA choose. If you're not really walking full circle out was the man you get the energy in the room. Said there's as you're closer absolutely there. It is so kill him. How can people reach you? I know you're on twitter. You're on instagram. You're on facebook. You're you're not Jesus but you're kind of all of the social social platform. So how do people reach you. Donald if they want obviously hear more about the Air Academy Academy the Balloon Festival. What you're doing with that? I did that I say us. I was closed Universe Allen. They're still trying to why it apparently but but how can people reach you. What what is it like a central location to find you? Please please on twitter. You can go. I mean that's I accept friend. Requests on facebook people actually know some. Don't know me at twitter and start talking and follow me there and we'll get to know each other and then that can be facebook. I put a lot of personal content on in those vehicles. On as you're trying to still figure out I've been very active with that for years but I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with it. You'll see content there about too much the from there you'll let's see referencing hashtags. I leave breadcrumbs as I go and starting to where people can go grennell. That's it we'll fairy tale ish. Where then you go? He's talking about this thing. There's a website for that so so that ordinary Kenny. So Air Academy DOT COM Tim. The investors GP BALLOON FEST DOT COM the the accessory dwelling humans just my realtor Caleb Dot realtor is my website and my email is caleb at generations dot real estate. That's if any of this that you're interested in it's not just real estate contact me. They're converse I. I'm happy to visit with people who say I've got an idea. I don't have resources to help financially delay but I'm happy to spend a little bit of time kicking around thirty minutes or something with a okay. Here's my thoughts on that. If you value my thoughts I'm happy to do that. Would mean a lot to me to even be asked to give a little time for something like that so for whatever reason out there. I am reachable. Thanks for putting that out there because as I say hello and like like I said I this is GonNa probably step out of bounds here a little bit but when I first started kind of prepping for the show today and I saw something I can't remember what it was but I thought I could envision Kayla being the mayor of stuff like that. I here's my answer. I've said this publicly privately but I don't mind saying it. I don't want to work on all the problems. I WanNa work on the things that I care about most and that I feel I'm good at and then I'm inspired by and inspiration doesn't always mean the positive side inspiration can mean that you're working on some dirty stuff too but that's all the more people need to get activated engaged in find their arleen because it isn't about we need leaders but don't get me wrong but it's about making sure that they're out when they get elected really shouldn't be the ones saving us and doing all the right answers they should be figuring out what's working because other people are doing their thing and make sure that those people are getting what they need to do their thing. I actually really like our current mayor our former mayor. Who is now a commissioner? So it's honorable very honorable position and thank you for mentioning it. I I think actually we're going to be really fun some day but I wanted affect more of of my own work in Oregon. So I've got a reputation I don't want to just be a face on a poster and that sounds great. I actually don't like the two party system either so I got to wait for some change there so I don't i. I can't abide by all their rules to get elected but I would love to serve a larger group of people at that level but I. That's not a goal of mine. It's shaded may only little bit funny but at the same time I'm like I think he's got the skill set for that but I'd have to drop all these other exactly you you play a game. This is called senseless slide the cup to you and you get to roll the dice. It's in there and get Donald Table. We're in CALEBS. Galas office by the way. So if you hear a little echo that is because he's still moving in in a Lotta respects yes and I lost the carpets that I ordered online and they've got taken from my front porch from porch. Pirate right never happened to me. So it's a little echoing the tile and here's apologize so hopefully we're going to. We're going to work that out but take notice a little echo hopefully hasn't been too bad but so this is a great question for you. I really feel like I know it's coming but number six then. He rolled it so this. This is my favorite question we ask and that's this. You get dinner with one person. They're buying so does matter cost non-issue they're buying dead or alive having lunch with or dinner a meal could go so many ways. I have thought about about this famous. By the way I'm GonNa give you a cop hat. A lot of people ask to be famous and they can be anybody you want. On that token I never got to know. My Wife's Are Sorry my my mom's mom. She died before I was born so like that would be an incredible close relative. I think about certain business people this one time. I had the opportunity when I was twenty six. I like him but for me. That's Gary Energetic. So I would add to my list of potentials if you gotta go out. I'm going to go look them up after this the he swears. But I'm fine with it so you're not then he has a podcast. It's the Kursk Free Derry. V version historically for a lot of the work that I've spent time in my people that that I would like to ask their Y by and there's a lot of recorded history but I wanNA personal sit down would be Martin Luther King and I just listened to sixteen nineteen podcast about how When slaves came to this country the Taliban for so long what our economy and our society built off of that was really culminated in the civil rights movement? And it wasn't just for Black America was for all of you mentioned the my interest in the constitution. What our founding ideals were have been materialized in a way it was it was referred to in the podcast perfecting affecting the ideals of our country that that Gotha one hell of a bad start in those in that regard? And I go. You were there you were this culmination of this arc of four hundred three hundred fifty years and so it'd be Martin Luther King Yup well. He's on my list. Get Sound Cliche but I had an artist friend. In my time we met two thousand eleven. Who I'm talking about? Sure narrowly good sketch of Abraham Abraham Lincoln. It's in my office and I'll post a photo of it because it's that good. He's amazing he's a not a nobody but he said you gotTa do more work famous thing and he brought him in that Lane Lane. Do your thing and and so I and I think about that. He actually was a fairly flawed individual and he was written into history. Is this hero type. But he I think even he has his motivation like I mentioned slavery like he wanted the ship. Slaves back to Africa was his first take before before the emancipation proclamation. So I mean I think he was even pretty bought into this colonialized industrialize slave system degree. So he's not perfect but I would. It'd be like you're at this important time to. So why were you there. These moments of history that I don't think people wake up and go. I'm going to be part of that moment of history of my life but I probably have to pick Martin Luther King and that's just because people I know that are alive today. We're alive then and so I'm in right now and I'd like to learn from that. That person so tragic shot. Would you ask him. I'm sure he'd ask him a ton of stuff but maybe one centralized question. What would you ask him? MM-HMM I'd ask him what his plans were in the long run for his life. I don't remember what was I think he was thirty. Nine my age four thirty eight thirty nine. I don't think he made it to forty but but what was IRA something that in the last couple years. After the major civil rights victories he was starting to Whiten his his scope scope and took a lot of criticism for it wasn't just racial justice. What was he going like? What is a life? He had so much output outcomes according to wikipedia India's thirty nine thirty nine now wild. So yeah that's that's my age. He he already had had enough to chronicle article himself in the pages of history to say. I was there at the time and did the thing I was called to do for for the change of humanity and where we were at. But he wasn't done. I probably would talking about. What were you thinking in your heads? Face your creative visiting space. What was the rest of your arc to be as you knew it at that time that fascinates it's me? I even look at my own time. I've got stuff onto my bill. But why are we all here right. Like it's not about achievement it's about fulfillment and purpose. I bet you he the lot left and I think I could have really enjoyed listening to him. Share what he thought his life would be. I think about my own life and what I wanted to in that would have been the conversation. I WANNA be a fly on the wall for that one for sure. I Dunno fascinates me. He's always fascinated me. He really has just the fact that he stood toe to toe and just didn't back down and was a challenger and a lot of respects and in a good way of challenging the system peaceful. He wasn't he wasn't meek but I don't think even meek is a negative kind of has a negative necessarily negative connotation connotation he was forceful but news peaceful and I don't mean peaceful again as in like hippy which he was he decided I am not going to power my way through this in the traditional way. Ah The powerful always take him by force. That's nothing new. And maybe that is part of what inspired you and when you say that he he has affected you to. Maybe there's some I I think he has i. I was fascinated by by just as life in general and in Remember checking out books on him elementary school and reading about him and you know he's he's one of those you know there's a list obviously like you you know. There's a list of people I would. I would love to sit with I. Would I wish he was still alive. You try to book him for the show. Try to Tom. He'd probably say maybe I don't know he probably has an Asian or something to get through so Kill them first off. I'm so excited. We reconnected again and I was real reluctant to join twitter. Recently you joined. I did because of the show because but and that's why I was going to say as we are here because of a twitter and it wasn't anything profound like you tweeted out this amazing thing. I mean you probably did because you to it out amazing stuff but my point is is that you just never know when someone's going to cross paths again you just don't and so in my mind. You made that big of an impression on me that I felt like I needed to reconnect reconnect. To find out what is going on in your world and what and how. You're being a difference maker here in. GP and higher really persevering through stuff. And so. That's why I'm really excited to have you on. And I'm I'm glad we got to make this work so I am too and I look forward to catching your show from time to time. Appreciate what you're doing this whole idea of another perspective. Let's spend in time in that world. We're not doing that enough. But that's GONNA help us grow individually but also learn why that person is needed just as much as I am sleeping. I think he's going to be some good zone three. I hope so yeah. We're really excited. We're we're excited to see what happens in. We're just excited to see. This is going to go because we don't know the checks to converse is on the front of your image because that just instantly has my my my attention I think. Oh this has gotta be cool. Because there's I hope so. I mean that was kind of idea but we don't there's or some other thing I like. Keep those checks shoes. I have a lot of shoes like fifty something I heard it in. The first episode wasn't or somewhere you can `fess the amount of cheese that's but it's probably grown since then now people know shoes at your doorstep like here I love you. have this pair of shoes so so with with guys. I just WanNa say thank you so much to my guest. Obviously he's doing a lot of stuff in grants pass and ah go check it out. Go check out what he's being a part of maybe fit into that. Who knows? I mean maybe you can walk in issues and be part of his life so this of course is his other people's shoes we encourage you to keep listening and stay tuned next week. We sit down with another guests as we get into their shoes. Thank you again. Of course I am your host Neal Mathewson remember so often as we say. Remember when you walk in other people's shoes you really do get a different perspective on life. Thank you so much for joining us on other people's shoes. Of course you know I'm your host Neal Matthews they for joining us on this episode today. I hope you got something out of it. I know I got something out of it. And the major thing I got out of it was this the ripple effect that's why I called this episode a ripple effect and that's because of this simple truth that came out of this episode. You'd never know the impact of a message that you're getting you just don't and Caleb simple message to me so many years ago ten as we discovered Gordon the episode had a lasting impact on my life and I just wonder you have somebody in your life that maybe you need to reach each back out to that you can reach out to encourage this week. Think about that ponder that share that made me with somebody sure with us.

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Part 2: Sid Fernando, Brian Arrigoni

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1:06:42 hr | 6 months ago

Part 2: Sid Fernando, Brian Arrigoni

"Said Fernando joins us. Good Morning. Good Morning. How are you? Good week flu by? Just. Realizing or were. Thinking I was thinking to myself i. just talked to sit the other day. Feels like I did. Pretty funny. Well, and we. Were into a nice beat now obviously and with del Mar. Saratoga running full throttle and I you know I gotta start. With With our own headliner here in terms of Helen Dale, and volatile. Gives another great one win for violence and. This is one of those interesting scenarios that you've talked about. where? There's early success for stallion. Then there's a for whatever reason. There's the the cool. A cool interim and then back with a surge and. This is as. As big a surge. As, I I can think of in recent memory. It's a pretty it's a pretty big surge getting to g one winners pretty close proximity to each other we kind of. Talked about this with. No parole when he won yeah and now file volatile is come back and they're both g ones winning sprinters to which we noted. With. No parole. So That you know pretty significant What happened was This horse. Violence. Got Now, To g one winners. In this country, he's also had a A. G One winner from his first crop in Argentina. so What you have now are. Indebted Group One winner each crop. in addition to you know other graded stakes and so forth. talk to me. feed-back. You know each were needs were. To Send gene tweet winners COSMIC I. So he had he had seven black type winners from his first crop, but he didn't have. A horse like Follow tile or No Parole But now he's got them from the second third crowds respectively. Second Crop is four years and and the third crap is three. which is real big boost for him You know Johnny Coors very high on. The stallion typical type of Johnson Corps. Pick up a violence. Was You know? He won the cats called security at two. But he's lightning rate course. Three once from four starts. our weather winter as well as one the national on the dirt more importantly. By medallion, the Oro Stat John the first year. Today he's field. Year that Rachel Alexandra with conceived. And the. Family terrific. That's violences family. You know family Sky, beauty And the great female family. And You know it's Not that it knows how to. Let those horses and. and. More recently gone back and he's got. proven sires. Later. On. At the right time. One of them was court Kirwin. And the other kitchens joys was from the same airline. Do Euros by product. As, well in fitness joy bio Kado by tablets well. and kids. Yeah. KITTEN's joy. Sire this year two, thousand, Guineas Tamiko. He's going to run shortly. in a race that features. To American bred. Guinea twitter Tamiko. And who won the Irish two, thousand us as soft sauce in the suspect that it should be going off book row now if you following it or not I am and I'm glad you I'm glad you mentioned it I. Think What What time do they? The twenty is at the. PGA off here. Okay. Hold on Goodwood Yeah Zero Zero minutes the post. Excuse me. So we'll watch we'll keep an eye actually with that. I'm making sausage. Here that I can hear the I can hear the birds or the birds are chirping Siskind, who is the judge and and you know as you mentioned to US bread runners in in the Sussex. Unusual in and of itself chemical the. KITTEN's joy and. Skin, and of course, chemical one, the guineas and Right then we've gotten the. Circus. maximus. The coolmore slash spin product and. Three to two on SISKIND ACTUALLY Favored Mohathir the. The chadwell. Is second choice five to four to one on both Tamiko and circus maximus and Then we go to Wichita for cool more than name never. and. With. The Tory and then you know one. To, outsiders Vatican City, another Coolmore Bill William Buick and. O'Brien and thirty one to one on San Donato. Vatican City probably the pace make things, right? Now, and let's say, let me see F. They're still kind of. Making their way. So we'll keep an eye on this and maybe I'll pick up the. We'll pick up the audio as well. And, also, of course, on in terms of. Summer classics, you've also got The draw at eleven o'clock that we will we may. Listen in a little bit. To. The Whitney draw as well. Today. and. As we wait for this said. Back to violence for a second to do what matches up nicely, violent beauty is gone west mayor and the course storming beauty was out of storm Gat, and then the wonderful sky beauty by blushing groom and all the way down to Maple Jansky is mentioned Jetski the second week in a row where we've talked about The JANSKY SHOWING UP IN FEMALE FAMILIES You mentioned value Doro Sadler's wells. I mean you've got the you got all the classics in here all the greats. have. Fifty because L.. Pado was the Senate Sadler's wells that broke through and North America. He's don't want that. Got Jerked as well as TERP and so. In Kidman Story. John. Has the best turf expression of that line ear And you know medallion dior on self. Everything really. Dirt Terrif- sprinters. Philly Cole. smiler's mile and a half So He's. Down your extremely versatile fire. And Very High, class ire Darley America. And so. Right now, violence showing. This kind of talent. It's Puts them on the map as a course to watch. But interestingly again. The speed influence here in both Volatile and no Karol, that's an interesting mark in this country. in fact, I'm going to write about it for my income this week You know. We watch Europe we're watching a mile race now the Sussex. They break things down. Sprint five and six furlongs you a separation of differences between the five furlong horses in the six Furlong Horse. Meyler. Got Ten. Furlong horses you got mile and a half voices which was considered the middle distance and yesterday we thought Stratovarius win. Two Miles take couple wars. It's very, very distinct over there where here. Racing. Israeli. Bulk of it is. High Class he's seventy nine for a long so. Sire here. Tend to be horses that. Should feed from the seven to nine for a long range. And Right now, violence is showing a really distinct. Bring Tango which is interesting. Absolutely, here's here's the stretch. Held Up. Still. The they've got to the two Buckeye. Sander not runs are massive rice a big processes, get his training and throwing the outside. maximus comic who is looking for room as well. She'll. There is which. Garbo the coast stages circus maximus. This very brave Siskind hoffer blow Mike coming down the side challenge. Moore offer. Come, late onto across victor the couch off. GEICO. Wichita high standard. Outer last Vatican. City. You know. said it amazing how you got what you had a field that that was not big and yet he ended up in the stretch where a Kemoko was the most unfortunate that just could not get seemed to open look like he had some. And Here's another shad. Well, we spent the whole the whole virtually week of at least the early part of the week at Royal, Ascot with Shad, winning everything and This is a big win. Yeah I mean Didn't get it. He was eating In that way sets back. Ms Oil ask it right Okay. Kinda think he he'd run in that race now it comes back and wins his. of showcasing. Awakens Dreams. Who's doing scored narrowly well. And Yeah I mean. You know that turf mild air you know very much a part of European racing and. All Big gun show up in it and even with. Getting an eight pound shift in weight weight-for-age. you had this For your. And we're we're certain maximus in the second second he ended up second and and he was SORTA late getting underway and Siskind actually at nine to five. Really. No impact was sort of Languishing to some extent. In the back and didn't really quicken and you know the to four year olds run. Actually the Sandino third. So the four year olds run one, two three. Four thirty I think I was he third or fourth and he might have been did he get? Did he get the third I missed I missed and they? You know they cut away. So quickly you think he was Third Okay. Here's here's the. Here's the replay now and This is like a this is a head on so we can get a better boy cameo us then finally seems to get an opportunity and no sooner did that materialize? Then, he got cut off again and in fact, Yeah Holy Cow No luck. No luck at all. It looked like he was gonNA get a chance to quicken and then into the system kind of came in and filled that gap on him. And kind of took the opportunity away. Pretty crazy I mean six field and then or seven Horsfield and and really. You four and a half five of them were. You know we're kind of Jockeying for. Position late about that well and the. Crowley aboard for. Movies trig owning. And Shake Camden just He he is a force consistent force it. It's funny for whatever reason shad well, doesn't seem to get as much. As much notoriety but It both. For years here in North, America there's his success and then internationally just always seems to. Consistently via presence. Through. All right. So back to back to our conversation and we were talking violence and I wanted to juxtapose the two the two great one winners. In terms, of no parole. And Both are. Outstanding sprinters and. Before. Real. Ability. To. Get. Two very distinctive. Obviously, specialist sprinters. Is. It's noteworthy because of the context of what I said before that. Verb Major. Here to Become, really successful they've got to be able to. Get into that You know seven to. Nine. For a long range now it's interesting. Is Visit is little interesting pedigree aspect to violence zone pedigree. which is that the female family we're talking about Sky Beauty Maple Jansky. there. THE SOURCE GOES BACK TO MR prospectors. Georgia Hoffman hop sprint gold beauty. Specialist Sprinter. she was just a phenomenal. Sprinter. And what happened was You know she was. A great, classic and Stamina. influence and got mayb- Maple Jansky right. And then Maple Jenky was bred to a blushing groom another great classic influence. and. Got Sky Beauty. So you can see how people were building on that speed. And Having Stamina to it? Each time and so You know you've got now. Stallion here that's great. Blend of. Some great speed and stamina. THAT'S NOT A. Violent and You know just you know may come out that we'll have other violences that appeared that. Are Are you know mile and a quarter workers who knows maybe milers eighth. But at this moment in time the distinctive thing about him, his ability to get. Really. Good. Speed horse. Then there are other ones do you? Let letcher graded winners that we don't talk about. They were also known You know pretty fast. Courses. So it's GonNa be an interesting thing but the. The takeaway. It's it's really as you pointed out bolstered this horse again. It's something that Johnson was looking for. You always look for first crop. G One winners I did so that you keep building on the. On the momentum but. The same thing happened with. Kirwin. Girl in You know. started out but. Really came before the year that John Sikora. Purchase that twenty percent interest in. The horse at the chair of Caucasian and then convince Barbara. Banke. Movie entire the horse from lanes then to Lyndale and it was. In that transition year. That exaggerated was a two year old and coming up and suddenly curling just turned everything around. and has gone from strength, strength. Including obviously. Edgy. Last week, the the winner of the. Coaching club American oaks. so I'm sure John. Now in. In a situation. Really. Thrilled about what's happening with the? Violence and You. Know this is a situation where. We could see a turnaround in the fortunes, the salary and. As we go forward. And Curl in. You bring up curling curling has a success. and has a budding success with a Philly from this same family because volatile is out of a melody lady who is lady tax daughter and lady tack is got. Casual that that happens to be Lyndale, not just a hillsdale bread, but but a erasing for Hillsdale and so curling has matched up. Nicely with with this female family as well. through. Lady Tack. Being also. Out that Volatile is called bread by Yeltsin. It actually I'm curious I. I have I've been keeping tabs on it was funny because casual and and volatile. Were on sort of a parallel track earlier this winter they both kind of emerged at the same time casuals a three-year-old Philly and You know she's two or three and I'm curious where she we are in the acorn that was her stake debut and and those waters were a little deep for her but let's say she She worked Monday in fact, five-furlong work a one on one and Call it one on one and one and She's worked steadily coming out of the ACORN. I don't know if she's going to participate in the in the test or not or if they'll you know do something a little softer. have to have to check with Scott Blasi on what that plan is but she's really nice to casual and she's A. She's a niece volatile. A cousin. Eleven Bagri. said one of the other one of the other stories that I I was yesterday back and forth with the. stallion manager. Jared, Bernstein at at at hill and Dale, and they're starting to advertise the new farm and you know the transition to the new farm is. Is Getting close and I'm hoping in September You know when I'm in for Derby and Kentucky downs, broadcasts and as well as the sales. Think I'd like to. They say it's spectacular and. Kind of looking forward to maybe maybe broadcasting a day or two from the farm. Well happy fantastic and I mean. It's It's it's not gonna be that I mean, it's it's a bit of a hike but You know it's something John had wanted to do and I think down down down the Road A. Better Situation Brandon Billy developed. On Dale. And You know you're starting to see the fact I saw where they're advertising on the show on the on the Fox? Show. With the with the x with the X. Logo Alaska. Farm and died I'm very anxious to hear the whole back story of the facility and it in its own right a historic facility. So A. Should be interesting. Jared was was extolling a said it's going to be. Incredible when it's done and frankly how when was the last time? What? When's the last? You know from scratch. Essentially. You know rebuilt. Kentucky Base, the stallion facility I suppose I. Suppose. Adena. Springs. Yeah I mean this farm Was a story farm that has an incredible history behind it and then hadn't been used. Has the therapist facility for you know years. And And then I, you know I can't remember. I know that Suave, dancer who won the ARC? was was fold over there but. The. The time has been. used as it a nursery for year and. Historic Woody and I think that You know in. John. had. Purchases Last year. he did say that not. One of the things he just needed to get the thing, right? And he was gonNA he's GonNa Invest some time and money making sure everything was. Set up before they made the move. So two, thousand, twenty, one when they'll be actually. based there. So. It's in Bourbon County and looking forward I I I can tell that they're they're very excited and. The, have you seen the commercial it it it only it really is is. Just, A. Kind of a tease actually it it just shows a pasture from May from a grove of trees. So it it's it's a little mysterious. In terms of a reveal. So I imagined John's got a you know a multi phase. Marketing plan here for the we're I. Yeah. Yeah. It's GonNa be really interesting to see you mean. A gorgeous Phillipi from being. Read about it and I do remember the farm was. For Sale and then I noticed that John was actually Buying Horses Allendale saw. And You know tease it. That way and I actually spoke to him about a year and. Young He. was really excited about it. was. The sims but the guy that you on. And You know could go through some old burial. Registers. You'll see some of the horses that the. That's good. Imports. and. You know. It. It's great. It'll be it'll bring a lot of. Attention back to a historical. Farm that will be storing itself. Said I, appreciate it and We will look forward to a big weekend. We got we got kind of a mix and match. We're at that point at Saratoga where we're you know we're going to have to adjust to certain. Certain stakes being run elsewhere on on calendars and under cards including the the three year olds that are featured sprinting. On the undercard of the Whitney on Saturday I mentioned the test than and the Allen Jerkins as well on Saturday usually reserved for travers day and then travers next week. But we've got We got plenty to look forward to an ad before I let you go. Some thoughts that you happen to Get a chance to talk to Gary west of about. Maximum security effort in the. Really. Thrilled. The horse you know was able to come back He told me before the race that you know Bob Willing needs to get this race into. been a lot of chatter on twitter about it but you know the Horse was carrying hundred, twenty seven pounds and it was really really cranked up. He's a difficult force to get to the bottom of He needs to raise. Just doesn't give you everything in his. And Bob Schlicht told Gary. Listen we made. You may lose its waged Gary told me but I need this way to get getting ready for the Pacific crack again, Gary told me to. Do to g to to you know you're getting ready for G, one? go ahead and you know. It's your call and You know it was really thrilled to. to get that. He also you know. He's a veteran owner he understands how this is houses and. Just thrilled at doors back winning you know. And back on track. Agreed. And I I I. I didn't really I didn't really I just shook my head I didn't really get. The The horse had not galloped back to the for a photograph and and and and the the condemnations and. I mean it just it really I if you wanted to see a demonstration of just the the lunacy involved in in. Public. Abusive keyboards. On display. I incredible. Incredible hundred, twenty, seven pounds up. You know you go back to the last decade. Three year old champions coming back. Next year has not been assigned two, hundred, twenty, seven arrogant had one twenty six in the same race Ainley out for the chrome. And I actually did a of. Looking to go back to Holy Bull. How `bout. About that. That's that's a great. I. Mean we we discussed wait. So little these days that. Know because racing offices have been sort of This is an after effect of Bobby. Bobby. Frankel we can thank bobby for this. The abused racing offices O- much they. They stopped putting weight on horses. Even, accelerate as a five-year-old never carried more than one twenty, five in Andy. Amazing amazing. So that's that's a little notable thing because next time as Gary pointed out Running in the Pacific Classic, they're GONNA be carrying. Weekly everybody's going. Carry things wasted is you gonNA actually get up by pound advantage over this from the guys in this way as. Well I thought he ran fine yet every reason to lose brad free. Actually I thought late a dissertation out when when we talked to him the other morning and Not to mention that. You've got able to do getting on him for the first time and you know feeling his way as well. I I thought he thought he was fine and. Sure fight by the way I want to point. Yes. Go ahead and. He's a very, very promising cold and Charles soupy home-bred. from his leaders cup. terrorist. Winner Perfect Shirl. And semaine show spike. Spike down call. You know probably. News. News about him down the road too because you called it very, very good. Well, the one place he's not going to be running as the Queens. So let let us. And you'd better tell you better tell Chuck I. If he goes back to spice down, he is not to name the offspring spots sheryl. Please handle that for us. The folks. Is. They fight towns shirl. All right at least that's distinguished I because I already I already made the mistake a few times of calling this one spice shirl instead of shirl slight. People don't understand that it's not checked at name sources who does the naming That it's You know. His name by. Distant. Off So. Okay. So that chuck can keep track of WHO's who without having to look at the pedigree and so that's why. They're named that way because he. The love it I love. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's pretty good. All right now you know now you know how the? How the sausage is made. Said I really appreciate this great and a terrific CODA to some of your clients I appreciate it. Group. Said Fernando everybody follow said Viola Follow Sire Watch of course and Hillen Dale and you can work with it on your breeding plan for next year work thoroughbred consultants five, one, four, nine eleven eleven get those broodmare compatibility reports on. And start to plan and Sydell help we're going to stay right here. Brian Arrigoni is waiting to talk to us in shack a B. As the season continues at Canterbury one of the. All Quarterhorse Cards yesterday and nothing can stop the ten percent pick five from from overpaying Brian Immortal. Doing today we're good and I wanted to catch up We convene with you or or Jaffer Andrew every two weeks and let's get up. Let's get caught up since the stakes week give us give us some thoughts about who's boil to the surface I I certainly see Mac Robertson on that on that groove that we kinda -ticipant did after a tiny bit of a slow start. We'd be the custom to a little bit of a slower start for him. That Cherie brings a plenty of his Minnesota bread down to Oklahoma with him you now Oklahoma Springs at Oaklawn Park So they gotta take a little while to get in a year. But when they do, you know they run lights out. Now we have the baby's coming onto the track MAC. Robertson is usually. Loaded with first time starter he he's really been. Hi Guys like Joel burks been picking up wins, Tony Rainstorm, maybe the value trainer of the year. At this point, you know he goes off at high odds winning over twenty five percent. He's off to an excellent start as well, and then you know the trainers are the jockeys we did lose quite a few jockeys owned in part fully oh Felix. Jersey rubbery went down there Constantino, Rome on but we've had some newcomers come in Jake. Joined US and blocked out down to pray metals as well. So you're going to see some new names and some new faces riding in the colony but right now, the Jackson I'm really got my eye on so far. So menas theriault who'd been excellent whether it's on the turf of the dirt. His first year here with us at Canterbury in and he'd been a welcome surprise. Is that you can certainly trust if you're handicapping Canterbury in that ten percent take I'll pick by. There's going to be plenty of names that you may not be all that familiar with here but I can trust you that Ri- and Torino will certainly give you a good ride each and every time. You know who had a a strong a few days as well. the end of last week and and just into this week Leslie Maui. A, great job he's been excelling recently on the route races. He's getting a lot more mountains and that's the guy you know that just got overlooked early on in the meat. You don't plenty of these younger guys and things like that and Leslie plenty capable you know Dean Butler he's still going to get plenty. He's in our hall of fame here at Canterbury part. So there's still plenty of guys who've been waiting in the wings but I love seeing guys Leslie bowing getting more mouths suing what he can win sold mounts now and getting rewarded for it. You've got other guys like. Israel Hernandez that are going to be rewarded with some more. Than they'd gotten in the past with some guys going down to Arlington and prairie. Style and just kind of looking through some of the results from these last ten days two weeks. Since the state card and Quite, a few maiden races which will feed nicely to the rest of the program to as as the summer continues It looks like we're trying to get trying to get as many graduates out there as possible, and you mentioned two year olds the two year old racing still kind of just starting to. Work its. Way into the rotation. And that's where you can truly find value dived into the breeding and the tendencies for the trainers and things you know a player like Mac Roberson doesn't always send him out to win first time starting very patient with horses. You know doesn't always expect that person or payouts in the first rate, but he wants them to truly get an education. So sometimes, they drop back during the faith and things like that, and you to find value plays You don't want to year old first time started. We did have one those affiliate by the name of Mali's angel she was impressive. Now there's being comparisons Amy's challenge for probably a little ahead of ourselves with the AMY's. Comparison, but this really could not have look any better was pressed on the lead and really drew away rather easily. I'm I'm excited to see her progress in the feature. When When was that? I'm just looking through my Are there it is. Molly's angel. There we go. Going back to the twentieth a week ago Monday. Molly's Angel and one by over doesn't lengths for Tim, Padilla and. Has Been has been hitting on. On all cylinders and there was another two year old Open Company two year old is well Sebastian's boy for Esteban. Mar. Martinez with Ariana. And? Those two were were incredibly impressive. Did have another one that broke from the inside guy that like it could run and really ran off the pages wall. So the two year olds had been fun in the. Thank you know those have been great betting opportunities for us as well in the past to try and find some value. Brian give everybody a quick primer just to kind of top line you when we're when we're going to look at these Minnesota bred two year olds who are the win early sires on the on the Minnesota seen. Man I know you know Kilo does a great job with turf racing and things like that. But for Minnesota Breads you know match broken vows Minna good one. Now, we've got the MTA dallying auction stakes here at Canterbury. Park which is gonNA kick off our ten percent takeout pick five today and it looks like a great field. So there's horses in seems like it would be a Minnesota rates, but it's not you know we've got. I Will Horse in Oklahoma horse and and then you know Gerald Bennett brought one in from Florida and this Florida bred we're discussing last night I didn't think the Horse was actually GonNa come shipped in from Gulfstream ran a Gulfstream I may thirty first then went to Delaware recently had workout Delaware on July twentieth no way to sort some in and turns out here and not only is he smoking now here but the trainer Gerald Bennett Wins races all around the country is actually on track your with the Horse and I think that's going to be single and a major player, not only in the MTA an auction stakes today but also in ten percent take I'll pick. Let's Let's dig into this. Actually seventy five he's smoking now Q. is going to ride. Alonso can yes and you mentioned the the start of the sequence. There's no a after a full day of quarter horse racing yesterday no quarterhorse action at the end of the car today. So it's racist five through nine and I I like it. You'RE GONNA try to turn it into a pick for. It looks like the free space in the BINGO card. You Have Valentine's Guy who's taking on some tough customers. We should be who beat Valentine Guy Latin is actually one three and roll the second place finisher to Kobe came back to run a tough luck third lifetime out. So Valentine guy is the main threat, but you've also got the made in my name is Cranston. You know this is really a horse who really been impressive despite debuted at the main in claiming. Rank. Then they they dove into the deep end and they were very confident with their move running in the victor S. Myers and if it wasn't for bad break stumbled bumped the break that horse would have been right there with weekend ride. We'll see later on cards tonight my name is prince is the real deal you know thrilled by mass broken violence we talk about kid really ron the six and a half furlong should been him perfectly because he wants all to turns. Six and a half. Kicks things off the MTA stallion auction stakes sixty thousand this restricted, the group and as Brian. arrigoni points out they don't. They don't have to be Minnesota breads and this is this is like the the scenario you get stallion stakes Just so happens if you use a qualifying stallion, you can you can have the baby dropped anywhere. So Good Group of seven starts things off and If we're going to try to turn it into a pick four singling Jerry Bennett. Then we start with an open company maiden special going a mile on the grass. You can spread out a little bit I happen to like drama chorus quite a bit I. Think this horse should improve second time over the term thrilled by big drama and molly or Miss Molly by Golly horse that I'm relatively familiar with and Edwards absolutely loved the term course. So it's no surprise that the thrill drama chorus actually relish the the grass last time out even though it looked like that caught at the end, the based on the running line had the lead and then tired late. It's really kind of misleading it was a three way. Blanket finish across the wire and drama chorus actually rallied in Gallup does quite nicely You know I know some people don't pay attention to Gal but that's the big thing for me on how they finish. This work should only improve second start off the way off. You've also got things sweet medicine down the inside Pariahs Burien Francisco Bravo. The three-year-old by money tries the turps today was the beaten favourite last time on to to buy. But the ways of course has been that involves starts the Oklahoma bread who debuted in a field of eleven. And was bet down below two to one, and then came to canterbury off of a brief rationing and really ram and even rates down in Oklahoma Jamie Cameron got that down to two to five. This words must be shown incredible amount of talent in the morning and eventually it's GonNa pay off because the have been hammering this and paper you wouldn't necessarily expect to go off at such law. I'm just kind of poking through in here. You know they're. The turf side of this is, is the interesting equation with a couple of different runners in here three actually making. TURF debuts. and. Sweet Medicine third career start stretches out goes to the grass is out of poor Amir. So you got plenty of turf aptitude there you've got Brilliant baby fifteen to one stretching out and going to the grass and this one by brilliant speed the late the unfortunate stallion. Mrs. The Dinah former son. Who died after one season at Stud and then you've got. Blame it on junior. On the outside, who's a yeah Mr Linger. Wonderful Sprinter Turf Sprinter, and so there there's some turf aptitude into your Bryant. I didn't know what to do with that mcgilla royal. He's another guy who's had limited mouse, but he's made what he can with them and eastbound to get better months now that some of the Jackson gone elsewhere but Clinton Stewart. TERP guy you know I forget when I interviewed him the first time he said, I've got TERP forces that want to be on the Turks and shipping in from pray meadows. There's really only one reason they brought growing baby up here, and that's to get on the Tur- purry does not operate turf court. So a lot of I will horse and we'll come up to Minnesota for the purposes of trying the today and Tomlinson bigger through three or four. That's a decent Tomlinson figure. I know about brilliant speed. That's okay as well. The siblings really stuck out to me all the siblings of tried to turn. Over twenty on the term. How about? That yeah. I didn't know what to make of that and I probably unlikely to bet that the lucky winner is GonNa be one for twenty one after this race. I love it. Good work on the pedigree angles the third leg of the pick five tonight. It's a conditional allowance GonNa go six and a half on the main track and You do have a standout on figs in here and sloughs him for Wade Rarick This is a cow bread. From. Joel combs sloughs. Tis. Now out of a wild again mayor five year old gelding that didn't make a career debut until three weeks ago. I I know it's unbelievable. Wait. To five year olds make their debut a couple of weeks ago and you know I, I've probably missed the wedding and now gonNA tend to hang over in here with flus him because both his five-year-old first-time starters. Yeah. Five years old debuted and then what author reasonable prices and them one by daylight. Now, one of those five year olds is a mayor who came she debuted have made and five thousand returned at claiming ten thousand. So not necessarily the talent lose him but ran road reportedly did not fire next out some a little bit concerned with. Him But going for maiden especially into allowance looks controlling pace and actually what I want to replay back for this five year old by flu. His now was Kinda off slow and really rushed up and still ran away from that field sloughs. Him is going to be a single on May ticket. We can ride the obvious second choice in here I believe but this Minnesotan who's likely to run on festival days for a Hundred thousand dollars later on. So I'm I'm concerned and I may be overthinking it that just prep race get out stretch legs don't go all out to win because we're running for hundred K. against minnesotans where we're going to be even money or so in a couple of weeks. So I'm not sure how all out they will be weakened ride to get the W. here knowing they've got big money down the line later. Point, well, made and So who do you use how many you gotta use them to get through this? I made this. Creative ticket in here where I I might play it two or three dollar pick five to get maybe channel what some of those players did out at ten Anita and I won't play each hour straight pick six years but. Trying to sing a couple of times, use lose him if I wasn't gonNA use lose him and I was going to play a little deeper fifty cents ticket I drawn probably hard to park. Hard. Put on. Top hasn't won in two years one for twenty two. But those connections, Robert Klein and Chelsea are you know they want to raise to that oaklawn park and there are no strangers the as well when they send one of the tracks usually ready to go and that could be a separator in there, and then maybe a pleasant moon ran well last time out again condo lanes good one for Sean Davis. Second time off to lay off. And Joel Byrne, unlikely, to separate a bunch but if you can beat sues him in, your should be sitting pretty good. All right fourth leg I. we're talking to Brian Arrigoni from Canterbury. Mr Be Underscore CB y analyst Canterbury analyst Mister Be Brian. ARRIGONI. Let's go to the eighth. Seventy five hundred dollar claiming race on the grass and For owners and trainers. Not Not a lot of venues that are going to use the turf course for these kinds and If you have a turf turf force at at a lower level, pretty nice to be able to run. Run these horses on the grass. And proving we we don't see many seventy, five hundred dollars claimer on the grass but they do tend to yield both fields, and that's something we're all looking for is better as if you are going to have you know six or seven Horsfield's hopefully competitive. But in a race like this, because of that claiming price, you get a little more entries than the entry box in certainly appreciate a better. Trying to find value race then I'm going to spread out probably GonNa make a mistake every. Played Outrun. The posse relatively hard the last two times. Now we locked by head and then we lost by knows now I'm going to hop on that bandwagon. It's probably time to your listeners to hop on because when I off the usually go right to the winter circle So I'll run the is almost a century tonight Danny Caldwell and Dilip Rocco knowing that I'm going to spread out in this race but it's a wide open race, our Turquoise. It's been more about who gets better trip than necessarily the best horse winning There's plenty of pace in here. Maybe Mesa skyline can jump up and win great sky forever Tino di Doro and area. You don't see connections six to one very often this race that I'm going to try and spread out catch a price in here two, three, five, seven, eight for me. The nightcap. We. Look at A. One Mile Minnesota bread non winners the to lifetime got of seven in here and Seemingly seemingly well matched with the the four lowest prices when you look at. Brandy. Chaser. For Tim. Padilla, at two to one, three, two, one on breezy pro, and then up to four to one runaway flash and the four Raja's appeal nine to two. Yeah I mean I won't be around the brush and say, this is most talented field by any means. But what it does bring betters perspective is it brings a great competitive betting rate. You know you've got a very lukewarm. Favorite game here to one brand new chaser coming off of a very short. Losing by eleven lengths, and probably one of the Orsini you that actually wants. But and then you've got breezy product three to one going Turkey dirt on a massive class dropped. But I think this great last rate You know we're not going to be sending records and final time binding games but three, she can find out maybe a Horse Hanley son, you'll burnt. Kelsey Har, you know one for nine still lightly raised compared to some of the others in here has been taken out a little tougher going six furlong six. And a half long maybe they could get the lead and take them a long ways allies area that he sticks around for the make cab Larry downland runaway flash one easily last time but it wasn't start number nine breaking the made and taking on winners maybe a light bulb in there a little bit with runaway flash I. Think it's great race to transfer AL potentially get a price I'll probably use six five and three and off my pick five. Just Taking a peek at of the the bigger prices in here. And? One of the fun things about looking at these at at at a race like this is you see horses that that may have made stop somewhere that. You. Just don't see every day and in PP's the one horse in here for Patrick Fields. Alonso gelding. You got the look. And this gelding. Maiden reto. And I you just have to appreciate that in and of itself that. Little, read though park that the kids from the University of Arizona Racetrack Program essentially. The facility and actually ran very well they're at and then have to sit out For the next three and a half months. showed up at at Arapahoe and now turns up here and actually had a nice enough spin over the over the course. Dilemma little intrigued by the twelve to one shot on the Ralph on the retail maiden breaker. I I I can't talk you off either Nick Goodwin. He's are leading rider and corridors history was his first day after quarantine yesterday riding. His first foray first four races of the day. All. Wow when. You got off to start with the horses and he looks to get the up on the right foot with the thoroughbred. But in discussing Patrick builds and you've got the look, he's a small operation I believe it's just him and his wife maybe drummer to But when Canterbury was delayed a little bit, I think they were looking for a home and Arapahoe. But now they're back to familiar spot with Canterbury, Park Cedeno Patrick bills doesn't show a ton of starts this year he's no stranger the Canterbury almost certainly win rates especially at a big bright nick in the Seattle. Now and you know he's going to save ground and. Seems to have you know even though it took. took. It took twenty starts for this. Wanted to break his maiden. But he I I'm intrigued by this horse, the Horse has has has gotten around a mile. Several Times he's eight eight tries making to turn efforts including some Canterbury last summer and into the early fall and. You, know he isn't Minnesota bread. So obviously, you know he gets this opportunity beat open company in that maiden win. Each. Death rated comedies on the front. Ends Yeah. there. There's there's a couple of horses in here. Brian. I think that. They've got a little bit and there's other stretch outs that runaway flash for Larry Donlan. An ARRIETTA Could be just could fall out of the gate and be involved but the you know what? If you got a quarter Horse Jack aboard. So he very well could be the controlling speed. And in the race like this, you know. The to lifetime I want I. Want to be on the front and the old saying. TIRED CAN'T, be tired. When the. Wrong. Well let let's see the rest of this field one for fifteen one for thirteen, one for twelve, one for nine, one for nine, one for five and. So you know you you. Do have some Hungary. Among reources in here, looking for that, somebody's going to somebody's going to win a second career race tonight. That's the bottom line and then tomorrow a kind of a quick glance ahead tomorrow. There's There's no quarterhorse nightcap either so it's racist five through nine again, tomorrow a first level allowance for fillies and Mares long on the main track fillies and mares going seven and a half on the grass Ten claimer in the second leg than nickel clamours on the main track. Seven of them a nice nine Horsfield of claims back on the grass this time it's boys. So kind of a companion race to the sixth and the NIGHTCAP MINNESOTA. Bread maiden claims going a mile on the main track as well, and you know we should quickly I told everybody I would save the results from the last couple of days Brian and A I'm not mistaken. DEJA did we lose. Brian. I think I heard that that telltale. That telltale sign or that sound. That we Yeah you did very quickly get him back. So we can wrap up with him, and then marriage is going to join us and Scotty mckeever but I did want to mention on Monday as we wait for Brian on Monday the had a very unusual. Sequence in the pick five, it paid fourteen hundred and fifty dollars. and Mac Robertson one three. Of the five races and Brian's back with us and Brian I just I promised everybody earlier that we'd go over the Monday Tuesday at least the Monday thoroughbred pick five and what a crazy sequence on on Monday Mac Robertson wins three of the five races the first two legs in the nightcap at two, sixty, eight, sixty and to forty, but then the third and fourth legs. The longest shot on the board wins both of those legs. And he pays fourteen hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah you know the payouts I've got a lot of people that have been paying attention at Canterbury Park this year because of trying the ten percents takeout in in focusing on, you know helping Canterbury out to with the lower take out, and hopefully it's the thing that certainly spreads around and other tracks take notice and tried as well but it's consistently paid three times with the parlaying paid and that made it paid unbelievable. I believe the PARLANE was relatively minimal with how much had come in, and then all of a sudden couple of prices come in fourteen hundred dollars and now's also night that the pick sixers hit we had. Over twenty, five, thousand in our pick six I actually got contacted on twitter by the solo winning ticket holder. He's single the Hattie up who was one to five I think paid to sixty and the I'm single ready to run away who is in a four horsfield look like one to nine on paper and ran like one, two nine, and he actually hit the all button and four races and two hundred, fifty, two dollars. You had two singles that look like locks and they got over twenty, six, thousand, one, it was all done really unusual how the payouts have been affected by one oddball can really get you paid very well. Amazing and this has been the case I've been following it all all four days we give everybody the results as part of our coverage and yesterday as well. I mean, you have to be a quarter horse fan but there were no hard horses to come up with the second choice a near Fourth Joyce a favorite second choice in the third choice and you know six, twenty, ten dollars, three dollars, five forty, and then the nightcap. was eight eighty. So the two prices in the forty one range seventy-two range and it paid four eighteen. Yeah and that that's not a night where we had all quarter horses, you know some of thoroughbred players didn't necessarily tune in our pick five little smaller pool but the results stayed the same. It still paid well over that are laying. I. Think the ten percent take-up played a big role in in what these On it's it's been incredible to see that. Are Late. Pick. Five. And For they play the exact perspective oftentimes are late pick four pool is just as good. Now, it has an eclipse. handled, but the players are playing to pick fiber also diving into the pick for and that's paid really well as well. South. Canterbury Park that has gone above and beyond to try to. Honor, and appreciate his players the experiment, a couple of seasons ago with the across the board takeout reduction, and then here a this year, a ten percent pick five that is just. Throwing money at you, they're paying you to to play and it also pays to tune in and follow Brian's advice. And I've been enjoying the coverage Brian doing a tremendous job Brian Arrigoni Mr v Underscore CB y analysts and all the action from. Paul Allen in the booth, a lot of fun and Canterbury. Park. Four thirty central thirty eastern Brian Good luck we'll talk in a couple weeks. Probably get in trouble for saying this but trust me when I say that I, I'm an advocate for Lauren the takeout across the board. Again it is. You know curly out of my pay grade Those decisions are made by a meatless. We're certainly pushing for, and hopefully we can do it in the future. Brian Arrigoni everybody and really If you haven't followed Canterbury. Listen closely, and you just already heard this half hour just what a what a great handley as on the racing at Canterbury and especially for those that are playing and learning the oval and learning the circuit Brian. A Brian is your cane for those for those of us that were blind coming into Shafie. Brian Goni. Thank you talk soon. Thank, you very much have a good day. Brian going well well. DEJA. Your call. Do we have to take a break? We kind of do I think. I think we need the hour break. All right. Let's take a break of the morning and we'll get seth merrin ear. We'll talk to seth about the the action at Saratoga today and I got check and see on the scratch is my analysis my group races that I looked at the fourth through the tenth is. Nick Tamraz, full analysis of the whole card plus because there's a jump race, of course, today We've got. Tom. Herman. Having looked at that allowance that starts the card back after this into our three at the races. Sirius. Xm. 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Blinkers Off 420: Kentucky Derby Trail Update and What the Bleep

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Blinkers Off 420: Kentucky Derby Trail Update and What the Bleep

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Mead's residues dot com leads dunes dot com all the pets due dot com suggests either and often. This is blinkers awesome serious show and then opening. Yeah so we're feeling feeling good because we know there's this kind of winging tonight. Yeah we can't give you a lot of bad picks and because we're not gonNA do picks really only came on this or listen to show to be like I need to get pics then you can turn it off him so now that we've got three of you left. So here's what we're GONNA do right. We're GONNA WE AREN'T GONNA talk a lot of Derby prospects that's going to be a big one and what the bleep is back. So what? What the BLEEP. So we're going to play. It's new right. What the BLEEP Eclipse Award Edition. Yeah exists The voting is gone and you know we got an article on the site race. Dot Com The magic did who kind of consists with all his racing. You guys given our pigs. Votes and So we kind of time of the year so to speak. It is award season Before us it's horse racing award season and so we thought in in Ryan gave us a surprise like hey I got some money got four or five clips so for all you the love. What to believe. It's it's back in. It's it's it's going to be good. We haven't we have listened to a man so that's always a key. Can't listen to him. I can see it has to hit you. It's your tool totally authentic. Oh reaction well what was really Funny Ryan Goes? I'm really worried about Cindy guys as 'cause you you're GonNa know I said Ryan. I Never Watch an eclipse award. Don't worry about it. Yeah I won't know any any idea who these people are. Most of them are talking up there so not starting again this year. So yeah that's hard no of me ever one. Obviously now because I think they're the same like he Thursday night before the Pegasus or Friday and we're having Gulfstream's like there's no women watch this care about this you know. Would you rather watch the like like you know whatever you're going to say it's going to be that Dr? Try me out and say like you know. Golden Globes or the Oscars the eclipse awards and. Then let's say the boy Oh State of the Union address which I can rank in order which was rather watch Stuff eclipse to be third nowhere with that answer the question clips award. I think this year might be a little better because they're the like a Keisha in Brittany and Gabby are the three legged emcees and I think that was really smart to do that for a few reasons. Obvious the obvious. And then they're very good at what they do. Well like Gav experienced moving along and doing stuff like that. So that's good but I'm not something into I've never been into them. The thing about this for me is that I care who wins you. Know so like you know look at the recap on twitter or whatever But when you're watching the Oscars or the whatever it's like sometimes you care like what like. Oh Brad Pitt one. Let's hear what he would like to hear what he says you know. It's interesting like Oregon cool speech or eleanor. Whatever it was like an for only Golden Globes or something but with these. I don't care what these people who are winning the awards have to say I was most of our very very dry lane you know most of whom are very old so it's like because they have that kind of money is laying around device most of these again most. Now you gotTa have you gotTa Count. All you know you've been around you've earned some money so and you know like sole document. I guess I listen to him. He's you know but I can't really think of any other owner. I WANNA listen although the one thing would be having a with the maximum security obviously okay. Yeah tune in for that species another guy. He's ancient though but still it would be interesting. He's GonNa say some stupid. So he thou. Perry Martin did his speech. That was so awful so kinda funny so hopefully he his is on here because I will know what that one Let's see last week. We had if you obviously have derby point race in the sham but we had some mutual macho man obviously with chance at winning. Talk about the main one here because this was kind of a an eye opening race so to speak in cleaned up of course because your all your your horses running seems like right now Authentic for Bob Baffert. Of course it was a small field Bob Apparatus few in the Finnish one to you poked verses in the race. Authentic man looked a little green down the stretch but just pulled away. We touched on independence hall in the Jerome. Because we actually did the podcast today after he won that race but Yeah authentic. We haven't obviously had a chance to talk about. He was really green. But but really good. You know really really good. So there's a lot of hope there with him That the second place Finisher Zule coast maybe get to a different track and stretch out. He might be one. The hit the board again But yeah definitely. He turned a lot of heads in that race You know the problem is Kinda the same with independents all. You still have to be though you can't be green and win the Kentucky Derby. He's got a lot of things he's got to work out and we'll see what happens with that next. Start the next star. It's GonNa be really important and also. His pedigree is not one that screams distance so there are a few issues. I don't know if he's the Kentucky Derby winner but I that was really good. That was the performance of the year as we sit nine days into it so yeah it was It was one of those that he just you know the longer. It seems like down the stretch. He you know he just kept looking better. Of course he did kind of varying right. But they were they're gonNa Joan to the Infield so Backwards GonNA help a little bit nats equipment there but I. I did think he felt like Virginia. By the the what I saw after the race would baffert said can like authentic the one kind of derby hopeful so to speak right now. Well I tell you what we're watching the race and I kind of made the comment to you if the backside said well he's he's bigger than the resources like he physically looks better And he ran into that look they they look like that and they don't really back it up with with the race but he looked like the best tours every step of the way. It looked like the best source on the backside. Yeah I mean that's the thing is like that really pisses me off. Because I had that were snakes. I mean that was I was picking my next pick third round and You went to your back back to back baffert you both those horses so Your top three pigs have Have accrued what fifty coins? Yeah Yeah because I got twenty. For the Jerome Twenty four the sham and then ten for Yukos than Sham. So yeah. It's a good SAR. I do this every year. It's funny you always suck at the first of the year and that's GonNa be the same again. But you've got horses lined up that are going to run March April and improperly strong Macos it's right I in in I always get out and then fade. So we'll see where team speed now. That's it seems like we always get to a point where it's like boy force x doesn't come through for jared. He's screw but they always come through. Triple crowns even even Phero point. You're like we didn't see until the rebel so it was like what the Hell is he gonNa do and what we know what he did and you know just fighting get dill March You know when we did the claim so yeah I mean it was. I have a knack for hockey really bad early on even last year. When I got points of gray. Tim Does like yes. 'cause I never points at early so Burnham all because I was a pickup horses but we get into some of the fantasy stuff when we talk about these three year olds coming up before we do anything else. What's specically south today sir? I'm GONNA just go. We went another day without the browns having a head coach. And I I just goes. It's just hilarious to me and we were talking about today a little bit like everybody's got a coach like it took him like a day in the browns. It's just like what are they doing? It's just amazing. How like crazy this franchises right so when you look at it as face value of what it is you take off the uniform. They're the BROWNS and their joke. They're a team that has improved drastically over the last two years compared to the two years before right they won one game two years and they've won six thirteen and the last two years so they're improving a young quarterback. They've got a pretty solid roster. They're a handful. Plays Away from going. Like eight and eight this year to stoop stupid ways to lose a game. They can't find a coach. That is crazy to me that organization and. Luckily I've only been a big fan of theirs for two years. I can't imagine following that team. You're in Europe on my gosh. I can't imagine you and there are a ton of people that have and I went and watched them play in New England. This year there were ton. Browns fans there are browns fans out. There they travel they support team. My hat is off to you people because it is just a joke. I mean at least you know when the chiefs there's always I mean not lately anyways but I mean they used to be bad their seasons with the end but the the ownership was always pretty solid and you felt like you could trust in that you know but the browns. It just feels like you don't even have any. I don't I don't have any idea how it should not be this hard to find a coach. Anyone to me that roster. Yeah they should be more appealing than a lot of these teams that have Phil Jones. But they're not they're just not. I don't know why I don't I don't know it baffles. Bafflingly I really what? What are some of the missing? There's really no missing huge proponents to the there's not. There's not a huge weakness on the team. Now they've got two of the best back in the league. I don't think they'll have him next year but they still have a decent receiving core. The line is not great. Okay the quarterback. I realized the jury's still out but he's still a good young quarterback as bad as he was this year his numbers were just atrociously. Bad right so it you know. Second Year in the League. I think that's when you do into dip. I think they'll rebound with a better year to me. It set up. Hey if I take this job we can make cliffs or at least be competitive. You're not in a very good. I mean other than Baltimore. The divisions not great. They can't find it's crazy to me. And what was the Baltimore? Lost two games this year. They're going to be a problem. Was the chiefs in one was was the browns. So there you go. The browns beat them in the browns. They ended up getting pretty bad the second time around. They had all kinds of chances to beat them. The second time around people don't realize because they didn't watch a game but I'm just baffled but are you regretting your choice to become a browns fan. Yeah I mean I kinda wish he like. I would've switched to the cardinals Murray but you can. No he can't now. I'm not that guy or you could. I made a commitment Jerry. I know how much you love homes especially since he sported the Blues Right. Yeah warmer yeah. That'd be great have you. I can't imagine without feel like for me personally to have you on onboard. But it's it's lame. If I joined the bandwagon now he no. I wouldn't tell anyone if you I know but I'm just not that kind of guy like magic disliked team of the day is my team and I can't magic. I like a team. That's might be like okay. Oh you gotta be violence you so I'm like Lsu now. I can't do that magic you talk about eighteen. Yeah I love them. Yeah Yeah we have a Jersey you know like my cousin is a quote unquote huge Patriot. Fan You know. And he calls me. He Calls Me Sunday and of course he's pissed off because I love who's a root for our showroom for now say nobody it's over six minutes route force like you know your season's over you just watch now you root for anybody that he's he's still walking Best thing we'll keep it in the In the NFL. Of course big weekend for chiefs fans Like Sunday we've got the the game so I was looking at the weather. Some you know. I'm thinking about going to the game Saturday. They're expecting like can seize got like eight inches ten inches of snow snow here but it's even more so of north so it one. They're lucky that it didn't happen. You know they didn't schedule. The game for Saturday although it would have been fun game But there will be snow on the ground. Sunday. I'm sure and be a fun atmosphere but yeah it's a big big weekend. You've played Houston honestly. I kind of wanted the Patriots to win. You know I agree. They were so bad last week last week in the morning. I I honestly dream for the wink. I'd rather I'd rather play in the Houston I think but we're like nine and a half point favorites. So you how would you play that you think who needed a lot of points to give up in this kind of game especially Tina beat US early in the year at home? Also that's twenty points for me to give. I see him winning by ten. You know but yeah nine and a half the last year in this game Colts came in red hot and demolish them. This used to play a lot more closer games this year. So I think I would go with the Texans if it was last. 'cause the chiefs like blew out a lot of people last year this year. It has been more of a struggle. I will go Texans. I don't think Texans away thinking no I don't think so either That's it. I mean this scene I. I haven't really intentionally thought about it too much until now because I know that if I do stress out about it but I feel I feel good about it. I think I really think Baltimore Baltimore. She can't city is inevitable. Really I don I feel. It seems hard to believe that it wouldn't be the AFC championship which it's kind of funny It seems like we are an assault. Is I think it was nick? Ride talking about it. We're kind of interested era. Now that the you know the Brady Who would be like Brady and Manning in those guys? That era is gone. And now you've shifted to as far as AFC goes shifted over to the MAHOMES. Lamar and Sean. That's Kinda you. It'd be hard to imagine not one of those guys being in the AFC championship almost every year. Newton forward forseeable future anyways. Sean may be ignored or kind of forgotten a little bit but man he made some plays in and they shouldn't have won that game of Lucia to beat him but they want because John Whitewater show like a like a Combo. My goodness you the place he is made plays. Yeah that was buffalo. Had ever had like every shot in the book to win the game and couldn't get it done but it's kind of like only buffalo only buff flow in. Houston gives you every opportunity to win games. And they couldn't take it but yeah what's his name Allen for Buffalo. It's like you'd make some place where I was. I thought Oh my gosh. I cannot believe he made that throw in other times. I think what are you doing? He was drunk. I mean that one where he ran the ball and he just wanted to pitch it to that guy. Yeah there's no need for like what was I going to serve other than fumble. The ball lose the game basically idiot. He's an idiot outbound. Just you know just to make sure he was doing somewhere things and again. I think it was a moment. Was a little big forum. Probably I don't know if he's GonNa. He might be okay. But he's a Gamer. Like for sure he takes a monster hits too. Yeah so we might be right but yeah I I don't know I. I'm not a believer in him. Long-term being on that same level the other guys. You just talked about all right. Let's get to it today. Show we give an update on the ticket. Every trail including which could hinder stocks are going up and down coming horses look for problems for upcoming preps and more than will bring back. Everyone's favorite game. What the bleeding. And I since we're kind of in a off waiting for the next Derby prep and we don't have a lot going on. We thought it'd be good time to kind of go through what we have upcoming for. The Derby trail of course always happens this year or every year. Where this time of the year where you're kind of waiting and then after any yet few here but then after the packages is done it just flies so you kind of take advantage of getting an idea of what's coming up right now So we talk a little bit about what kind of stocks and up and down some of these horses. That have ran. Or maybe that are training. we'll look at what these horses that had were waiting to see where they might end up of upcoming races in General. So you know. Obviously we've had this year independence hall in authentic those have been the two The two winners of the two preps and the Lecomte coming up next January eighteenth got a Smarty Jones June twenty four th Robert B Lewis February first. And then you know rather after that it just takes off right So let's go through your first of all we have a slew of horses That you know that everyone's wait. You know if you want to see thousand words come back you know you. WanNa see Storm the core the Breeders Cup winner. You Know Dentist. Moen these horses like that. That are kind of the Max `field horses that were high up. You know earlier in their last year where they're coming This year so it seems like that's going to be later for most of those horses so as we wait you start with the Lecomte in the COMP Day is one of those that has kind of a ton of horses could internet in drilling no different than most years. The complex kind of wide open fairy digital Lind's map Mr Monoploy scabbard. Those are a lot of horses that are now in the league. Silver State here. Is that worst drafted on my list. The fears you know. There's there's a lot in this race that are possible in this race that we have in the League. This race is kind of more of the. Javy type of feel to it sometimes. Jv player could jump up to varsity right with good performances in. That could happen here but it definitely feels like a B type of race. It's GonNa draw on Saturday so Saturday. We'll know for sure the card or the field but you got a pretty good idea because it's so close to draw time in you you named enforceable would be another horse. It's targeting. Maybe they did name. That is a is a name that we've heard of but yeah can Lynn's Matt Mr Mom. Moy who who were pretty good at allowance company. Now they take on stakes company. And it's Kinda it. Kinda reminds me of the Springboard Mile Horse like scabbard. Who's Kestler shoplifted? It's like he's been facing the good ones but not close to winning really now can he win. This is that the measuring stick of. Oh aren't that good or will they beat his ass and it's like okay. We may have something here. So I think scattered racist great you know. We went into the springboard mile thinking. I'm not sure about some of these sources in then shoplifted beats a minute. I'm pretty sure about these. Yeah so and I think that's what you're GonNa look for the copy at least when. I'M GONNA accommodate scabbard wins. It's not that strong of a race. Now you talked tongue. Spring were mile. I'll jump right into the city Jones. Because that's you know the Friday after the the Saturday race there for Fairgrounds then Friday opening day at Oaklawn Park. Yeah the day before. The Pegasus is a smarty Jones. And we've got some interesting horses lined up here. I'm not going to it could be. Jv Type Arrays or there might be one or two. That's interesting answer in. I think we kind of know he. The only thing is he was second in the spring were but he had a pretty rough trip maybe he would want but I think we kind of know where he's at right now at this point. I don't I'm not ready to say. He's great but three technique ingle heart has brought all his pretty good three year olds to Oklahoma Park Three Technique. Probably his best. He's a really interesting when he might be really good American Butterfly for Lucas whatever their but and then ancient warrior who it. It's not one hundred percent. Sure he's GonNa run but that's where they're targeting with him. He might be something so again in a younger member drop. Everyone was like they early. Everybody grown like Thought we could get him in the second round so that race it may end up being just like weaker or or just as weak as conflict but it also could produce a pretty nice source so I would really circle the Smarty Jones is one. That could be kind of an under radar type of race this year. We're a Lotta Times is smarty. Jones doesn't notice much. It could this year is it? That ancient warrior three technique. Both running those are two. That could be something kind of has a feeling of a race. That are at least which shaping up as you say usually. It's kind of like yeah. I mean you'd like last year with great attempt we well. We don't know how far that can go. Yeah and obviously proved to be correct but because you kind of but with this with a lot in that race that are aiming for the rates that you feel like could go on to be even better Especially on the Oakland trails considering. How many of these guys that typically you wouldn't see run? Englehart Hondo for bringing a horse and not there but for race like Smarty Jones right so connie and makes it a little different Yup. Yup I mean those are those like the Smarty Jones obviously is one About the Robert. B Lewis okay. This is interesting okay. I I will get jumps into February. Yeah Post Pegasus so that's really when things you know we have to be Louis Anthony and we have to act when they had the holy bull at Gulfstream Park. It's the first major big did big day you'll you'll get one February one in March and one April where you have multiple you know perhaps Here's rob you lose their all three special for their own way. But we'll start with rob Lewis. You have thousand words who put it in a fantastic work at Santa Anita this week so it right after that work. They said we have to run in the Robert. Louis cannot keep him in the barn long enough to to do something. So I think everybody is really super pumped for that race. And then everybody's favorite horse. Tisza magician is targeting that race so he gets the measuring stick immediately tongue. What what is it? Can he hang? Can you know so that is going to be a huge huge? I mean I don't know if you WANNA call that match. I think thousand words will beat him pretty easily but still. That's a match up. That's going to have a lotta height because he does have the SPANDEX sources year. Mystique has a magician so that I'm looking forward to that one and then you got shot skeet. Who's probably gonNA run the weather? So let's see if the Rimsson was kind of a real it see if he can make it two in a row and Holy Bull always a pretty important race. Tis The law is a horse. A lot of people really high on can he bounced back and he's GonNa have to be the Mutual Macho Man. One two finishers Seen on TV and chance it. So that's that is setting up to be a really good day. Tis Law is the one. That's one that you you know you e- Kinda didn't WanNA end up with his law in the draft but at the same time you would necessarily be it. He just. There's a lot of back and forth. I feel like with his lawn. That was to make excuses for the horse. Maybe deserving excuses what is he. I don't know I'm I'm I am more on the fence about him. I think I don't feel as confident about his leg. I feel like yeah but again you know he can develop How about my boy? Leo Into Holy Bull Toledo could probably gonna run the Holy Bull. Yeah there's been a couple of maiden winters down there as well that are pointing for that race. Yeah but it's Alito. I you know the holy bull it might be like last year. It turned out to be pretty weak. It could. It could happen again. You know if this is what we saw in Kentucky then that races completely wide. Open a mutual Macho Man. Stakes wasn't overly impressive. But here's the thing as we wait for you know not only like everyone's like only C Waivers storm the court. But I mean as we wait for some of these Max fields and young eight rings even horse at least had some hyper earlier on horses. That people Dennis's moment you know a new door. You know structre when he makes his debut on the dirt things like that like as we wait for these horses to kind of make that first big star of their of their three-year-old year. You know you want. This is when you start finding these these horses that you were like. I'm on the fence or maybe I didn't even think of the start making a name for themselves because you know this is. This is when they developed running. They're obviously not the you know they're still developing at some of these earning three most argument three yet so in actual use terms. So it's like You'll still figuring it out and this is when you start to find those horses so I guess my point is is like as your weight you know. Don't get stuck on. I can't wait to sourcing L. Forget that before I wanna see I wanna see Maxwell when he returns no yeah take note of these performances and then you know who the trainer is and what they say after the race in some of these guys. I feel like this year. We talked about the draft and prior to the draft. Like this year where I feel like a names names are gonNA come. Kinda come from nowhere and be like lots of legit Derby Tinder well absolutely and I think alphabetic last week you know even though he's Baffert. You still weren't like I'm totally is we were. We have question marks with the distance but again. He stamped himself as like. Hey I'm legit at worst. He stamps himself as a damn. He's GonNa be tough at least going a mile or less for you know so. Yeah another race where we said. It's you're really GONNA learn a lot is the next weekend Sam if Davis because if independence hall goes there and he doesn't look any better not only. Can you make a lot of money in that race? But boy you're GONNA learn real quick. Okay is was that a hiccup and he's better or is he not what we think is so. Santa's Davis obviously one to look forward to and then the next week the El Camino Real Derby. You mentioned it. You know when you were talking. That's where a new door is pointing. We we kind of heard Santa. Anita rubber balloons. Maybe or San Felipe Bay. Our here in the El Camino Real Derby neg golden gate which I guess is an okay place to kick off the season and he got he should be one two nine and the horses. He's face for so horses. He'll go up against there but yeah he's listen. That worse is less than a length away from a multiple grade one winner who would be the two year old of the year. He got really close both those races at the time at the Breeders Cup and then that Lasalle there. Well I mean. That's a great to race actually now unbelievably but So multiple graded winter less than linked away from it. I mean I think he's a contender right detailed as a serious contender I do. Oh yeah you also think? What's what's funny is. It's it's like you're laughing here because the Oklahoma City's spoken Houston right now. Is You got grade? One winners aren't even. We're not even talking basin eight rings or does that are legit grade one winners Max. Field Max film. You're Kinda like nine talking about so to speak in that matter. You don't even know for sure when they're going to run again so it's it's one of those things that you in that you have horses that you know. Second Governor Morris Horse. It's interesting you know. I think marginal. Where's where's even at exactly Shoplifted what's his deal. Why is he running? Sam Houston There's a lot of weird questions with some of these horses that are quote Unquote Honore P. Win The hell sorry Windmill Hill. Does that happen So yeah it's still no update on him. Yeah so what's the Horse gave a horse out of your say your top twenty. That's Racing News Dot com and on the talent horses. You can see Kentucky Duri. Click that I can see the page. Rankings updated pretty much real time all the time so ill with a horse in your top. Twenty that you're like really starting to get nervous about like maybe one that starts is keep psyche fad rent yet maybe rank top five or whatever starting off. Now you're like US sources keeps falling falling. Like I need to see somewhere else. Well I'll just go through it. How about we'll go through all twenty of them Denison moment. I'm not worried about Max `field he's back to work so I'm not worried. They were very much. We're not GONNA rush him. He's GonNa have to tell us but that's he's GonNa run you kind of kind of. Yeah Yeah thousand. Words not soaring the thick no new infants all now Structure Not really. I think they've got a plan with him. Shot Ski now Aaj. We'd haven't heard much on him but I'm not. I can't say I'm worried yet but I'd like to see something from that. Camp. Honor Eight. Pm really worried about one hundred percent. Basant I'm really worried about because that just seems like one. That's going to bloom late before the year even started they were very clear about. We're not like we're hoping to get like a couple races out of him before the Derby. Yeah so there's two right there. I am really worried about three technique. Now the law no heat rings not now I kinda was but not so much right now govern. Moore's I'm worried about American theorems working towards Sam Sleepy. Silver prospectors GONNA run the COPD. Aa Maybe or. Maybe he's working for something may not be look opted. But it's going to be something. Green light goes back on the work tab and shoplifted so really just those three governor. Moore's honor a PM and base are the three. I'm pretty worried about and I'll need to see something or you're you gotta you gotTa take them off you know. You can't just leave him on in you're talking about a you know a grade. One winner agreed one place finisher and in our was drafted in the first round of early. We have with the second PISS and in boy. Here's here's a really good question for you. Can maybe kind of tie this all together on A. Let's say he runs in the Sham. Would he have beaten authentic? I'm really not sure. Yeah I don't I you certainly can't say because I don't know what I don't know either. It's probably a good thing. They did scratch especially if he's got if he had the whatever issue so yeah the reason. I'm most concerned about him. Is I have no inside knowledge on what's matter with him. I just know the trainer and this is a good thing but not for derby purposes. He he's not GonNa push that horse that he will run on horse when when that were says a thousand percent not one hundred percent. A thousand percent healthy running until he's four. Yeah it'd be like very minorly on healthy just little things and he's not going to do anything to get him on the track. So which is hell if I had a worst. Todd wanted to be taken care of but at the same time. It's not gonNA help his Derby chances reason why he hasn't had many Derby type horse. Yeah Yeah I mean. He's one derby once with a way. Long shot you know. Gormley was a horse that he ran a lot. So but the thing is that worse. If worst healthy sure you'll run them but if there's little problems yeah he's not gonNA push it now. So maybe they had that you know that was a you know that to me was like that's why. I didn't draft him. Honest with that was scary whenever used when they did. And you're like wow they pay over thousand words. They picked over in the Horsemen Islam. Of those things that you said so. I think that tells you how talented he could be your age. They think he is but three. Maybe over it's still pretty early and make it getting back say runs on Robbie. Lewis is very early. I mean this time This time couple years ago we still didn't know justify was so sure. Did I just minds now now. In this time last year maximum security was a joke. Not My boy now boy country ask we all we all what he was right now. Right so yeah I mean obviously ton I mean. It kind of feels cool. It'd be talking about this deep you know but really there's just so much It's it's going to happen so quickly. You know the same Davis which you know they'll during the south west South West ends The first leg of the The prep season jumps right into the championship. Series Point starts with risen star and then it just goes from there will be made by that time it seems like so I'm trying to think if there's anything else that you know I just Think I don't know I mean I'm really interested this year this this time of the year because I feel like especially in our league. This is win. You start like figuring out Like I league. You know like a horse that there's GonNa be tons of horses. I feel like that our claimable in the next three weeks. Yep and for really cheap practicing. You're yelling again. It's important point. That's my game. That's my explaining Graham opportunities so yes stay tuned dot com cookery page to learn more right. You know what time it is. It is time for what the bleep presented by her bed. Saturday get your second chance. Cashback bonus when our beds rivers steaks and goes park. Just twenty dollars to win on one horse using the nerve roots at your worst finish second and get back to you in our beds. No problems today. Promo Code Dude. Twenty get a positive match up two hundred dollars in our Budget Committee. And he dragged anywhere anytime. Alright what the bleep. It's time to play. What the horsemen saying. Here's your host Aaron at Jaren. Here we go. This is everyone's favorite time of the year. It never ceases to amaze me. Now he comes up with this south how he finds these clips. I'm excited but he does. And this time we have. How many do we have here? The ZIP four clips. And the way he's doing he did is basically said. We're spinning the wheel. So you get you spin the wheel man clip. One is an interesting. It's like here's this horse. Or here's they ward or whatever that sets the stage so we know who it is so we know what it's about the book at the start of it and then the answer the question in the answer so the question if he throws you that have never played the game before with us. How do you quit again while Ryan gives a sound clip of somebody talking? It's usually should mcgahey talking. Buddy bleeps out a word but he believes it out to where it could be one of the worst words possible as what it sounds like but we have to guess what the actual word was that he said and ninety nine percent of time it is not bad at all but it sounds like it's going to be the worst word ever. Yeah so that's what makes the game. Great yes beautiful part of it. I I will miss shook but it's the theme of Clips Awards and so I like this. I like this team so okay. Shall we begin right here? I gotTa have unit here. Okay all right play. The first one and the eclipse award goes to get any more. So that's I think that's okay. So that sets HD game winner winning two worlds champions Yes winter yes okay so okay here. We go greetings everyone. I've been monitored by this up over one minute. I'M GONNA get some demerits of some kind so I'm not GonNa do that again. We're rules played again greetings. Everyone I've been monitoring this up over one minute some kind so. I'm not GonNa do that so obviously we know what we know. What if you never even if you never heared this? If you've never heard this obviously it sounds like he says F. I didn't say because I don't want you to edit it out. Thank you appreciate it. I want to say though. Okay what does he say? It's GonNa be like miss or screw this up like I don't screw this up or messes up. Okay he's this is. This is Gary West so he's ancient likely established early in the show. Our say screw I think screw. I don't think he would say massive kids as scary West. It sounds like he's kind of a rough guy greetings. Everyone I've been in if I screw this up tonight over one minute. I'm GonNa give some the merits of some kind so I'm not GONNA do that. All right all right all right all right so. I feel like these started us off fairly easy with that one. We had an idea in the opening. Then we knew as Gary or Garry. West helped so that was good. That was very good on his part. 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For nervous can't be like nervous or flustered or something like that. But you're right. It's a real quick like it's got to be a short word as far as letters go Sorry I'm so sorry right now. Yeah surely didn't say drunk right knowing. Okay if he did this. My new favorite guy is county is anyway I'M GONNA go with Sorry okay I will do them. Yeah I'M GONNA go. Sorry that's lame one but I know yeah. I'm sorry yeah and I certainly have to thank you first of all the leaders of the horse and it's tongue and let's see. I'm confused bread now so that's weird. It needs to be a longer bleed. Yeah I was I. He's so confused. Didn't think you'd think but also kind of wondering we don't watch it obviously right. He's like why I don't. I don't really hard time. Having a hard time. With that have been drunk. He may have been drinking. Wish you would have said it all right if we ever winning eclipse for anything. Let's get really hammered before we go up there and of course. Okay all right. Let's go to the next. Winter is parameters race. Okay okay we know who that is this John. Not only trains are horses. He trained the horrendous family. How To be good owners and good stewards of this. Great Sport are joke at the racetrack. Is John doesn't tell me how to grow. I don't tell him how to train. Nurses okay never ceases. Let's do it again. He's John. Not only trains are horses. He chained Coronas family how to be a good owners and good stewards of this great sport. Our job at the racetrack is John doesn't tell me how to grow. I don't tell him how to train. I don't know what rose racing I don't know what he does for a living. Can I google it right now? No date because he's obviously in you know he's growing growing something. I don't know way does how to answer grow- growing plant or could even growing businesses or something could be something like that. Oh Yeah that's true mistake agencies farming I think amnesic grow. Maybe he's like Assad Pharma Grass how he and tell me how to grow grass. Maybe we grow. That's what I want. I want it to be pot but he didn't you know but I don't think that's it. Fits like grass corn or something. It could be anything. The farmers grow a Lotta Shit. Cotton corn beans. You know also plants all this fake generally all right. Yeah that sounds grasses. The worst John. Not only trains are horses. He changed the horrendous family. How to be a good owners and good stewards of this. Great Sport are joke at the racetrack. Is John doesn't tell me how to grow grapes. I don't tell him how to train. Nurses wise grapes in a million years on. Someone's listening this thinking you guys are idiots known where he they do. I don't know I don't really give a bleep about these owners. I really don't don't magic. We need some advice here. Magic pregnant that one would. I'm sure he's like he knows all illegal. Texas re enlist as well. Rose has been doing this for an. It's like yeah you don't wait magic. Don't waste the text. I don't care Certainly I see number four and I see the the name of. Who's on here so this could be good could be good and the eclipse award for outstanding trainer. Goes to Chad Brown. Okay except they're usually pretty good. I'm excited here. We go so we'll see if we this is where this tiebreaker here. We were doing so we go. I want to start with my staff. I said before the greatest thing about this award and the great thing about my job is having the opportunity to people on a daily basis. This could go a lot of ways if you know Chad Brown. This is hallway is I? I'm not laughing because my eyes got wide open. My key may have actually said that. Because that's actually what he likes to do. I want to start with my staff. I've said before the greatest thing about this award and the great thing about my job is having the opportunity to people on a daily basis. So badly my Gosh Wow Because you'll be so many different things and I would say. Help get to help people on daily basis or work with just work work. I need you to play it again. Almost Africa agree to play one more time. Because we haven't done well. I want to start with my staff said before the greatest thing about this award and the great thing about my job is having an opportunity to people on a daily basis. An opportunity to help help people be around people now. It's one word it's one word. Help okay I feel like he's laying like thank people on a daily basis which doesn't make a lot of sense. Well He's pretty lame so I don't feel good about that answer but you're GonNa do that answer to think people okay all right. You're going to say help help. Help is one. I would go with probably too. But we're turn you know so. I want to start with my staff. I've said before the greatest thing about this award and the great thing about my job is having the opportunity to thank people on a daily basis my bow. Wow that what about reaching for the stars on that one son. WanNa do bag. He hasn't thanked anybody other than maybe the owners of the word that we thought is what makes more sense there so yeah he have any of the word that's supposed to be doing. So that is what the bleep eclipse award version. Well done. Well done to Ryan for putting those together. Hope you all did better than to four one four on your end and yeah one for four. That's bad well you win the million one adulation like you good good job tell me. Dot Com Center handgun products page link on the main meat raised news. Dot Com to learn more remember. We have sports betting info on the site now this sports hat on the menu. See what gains. We're covering course got all the coverage coming up for the big. Nfl Divisional Games this weekend. Saturday and Sunday and of course The the the championship in the bowl with Lsu in Clemson got that coverage on side already. So you by the way who else you. Yeah I'M GONNA go. Lsu I'm going to pick Lsu and what is what is it a bowl name. They call it anything. I think it's just a national championship. Okay L. to cover you. Think yeah I think the five and a half I saw I I kinda. They'll cover it. Yeah I do their dominant men. I think if they win they cover you know. I don't think they're going to. I don't think they're GONNA win. Close Game Being any beat them. How do you beat him? Yeah well it's going to help. Not Having a bunch of idiots on defense. I mean have played. A real defense is going to be number one. He's not absolutely unstoppable. Like he's really almost unstoppable. But he's not. They're not going to score sixty three points. They're not gonNA every play touched. Mike it was their clemson has a great defense. I think they will slow up. The key is going to be. Can you slow him up enough to expose LSU DEFENSE? That's been shaky at times and they have a quarterback who can actually throw so that will help as well. I think it'll be a good game but I think Lsu is is really good like as bad as he was. Lsu Play that damn good game may play great. They just find just like they they can be to our the you you take away one thing. They'll beat you that away. Got It all. Yup It is that they're year. I feel like the beating Alabama and and just the way behind winner. Seems like they're going to complete Think they're going to do it but they went to Bama and they won. I mean that was such an indicator of how good they are and that they had to. Obama did that in they beat forty six points in Alabama so I bet they get high thirties probably in the championship game. Oh Yeah I don't what did they do? I think I think they're going to win right now. What's the total the total? Seventy and a half seventy eight or seventy and a half which that's close. Your you know that could go either way but I think they'll they'll do their part. Yeah all right How about my my Saints Saints? Go down as her about the. That's crazy so what's okay. Who Now saints out who you got now on the on the front side. Yeah you still got the AFC. Get your pick there. Oh Gosh I think I'm GONNA stick with stick with stick with but I've said all along I think they're really good is the forty niners. Yeah Just because Yeah I. I pick Seattle last week and and they're still alive but they didn't look great. They're better play a hell of a lot better. They'RE GONNA be out this week to. Yeah but yeah I think the forty niners I said I don't really believe in them. And there's no reason why but I mean there's good as any right now that's just a wide open thing right now. Taylor the thing I like about the industry side is you got so many like the gamed Seahawks packers this weekend. I mean that's A. There's a Gamer. You know so. I feel like you know even if the ox are lacking a little bit you know got Russell Wilson and same with obviously eh Rogers and these you know. I can't believe you got kirk cousins. I mean winning. He Literally WanNa get me. He made some huge throws and that's so on cousins. It is yeah it really is and they should be say really good. Games on that side. What about the other side? We we talked on the chiefs. Let's not talk about it. But what kicking the can the Titan? No you'd think it'd be. I don't know if it'd be a blow out because I do think titans have ability to run the ball fairly well and in can milk clock. Kinda slow the game down a Tad bit but the other day. I think the Ravens Defense. Pretty Damn good and I think they can at least slow down the run enough to force them to pass the ball some especially if they get down which they probably will and early and then for you know Kenny Hill to throw the ball and I think we saw how that works always so I mean I. I just feel like it's going to be turnovers. I think the road for Tennessee. And let's be honest. New England sucks. It's up there. Were bad this year. They were they had the easiest schedule. In the first eight games of the year and then made it look like they really dominant and they weren't a very average very average team got honestly they got out coach and in outplayed in the in the in the playoff game? Yeah I know I thought that was. The coach. Part was something that was Kev amazing to. We'll surprising yeah. But you know it just wasn't there year clearly a lot of ways in a and we talked about on the podcast like they. Don't you know when they don't get a by they? Don't they historically never do well? And this shows so Yeah no I I think you know. I think it's chiefs in in Baltimore one side and Gosh. I'd probably say anybody in anybody. Forty niners packers. I guess that'd be a fun game and I can see both. Does everyone has been like in the chiefs. Like a cool. It'd be to have mahomes in Rogers. That'd be pretty fun. You know to gunslingers out there. Commercially other yeah so we held thing from state farm so but no so. This gives her one game at a time. Yeah who's your. Who's your xfl champion now? Of course I would probably go with so many. So did you see the rule like some of the rule change? That's Kinda Cool Kinda cool right. I liked it. Yeah the one point two points or three points version. I liked that so you can run a one point. It's not it's all plays kicks okay so you can run a play from the two yard line and will get one point from three yard line. We'll get you two points or you can run away from the ten yard line to get three points after a score after a score. Yeah can't kick off. You can't start running until they catch the ball rights and something to do and I thought it was funny to limit touch bags. Like Ray want the contacts. They want you know what. I mean like whereas NFL's like and they designed to make the Games go quicker. Which I think will be interesting. Ten minute half's I think that's a really good idea I I have a prediction. Not The one to three pointer. Some of that stuff but the tighening and kind of making the games a little quicker and Ronald little more efficient. I think the NFL will end up adopting some of these things. They're trying to deal now. Also big For adopting fans for a league that obviously is a stepchild if not even lower to the NFL. So it's like how do we get people engaged quickly and to like it and not be you know made it exact same roles or similar rules as NFL? People get bored then because he's players aren't nfl players but you have this it's almost like remember. Nfl blitz like that. It's like where it's fine and it's fast and it's it's your party it's the rules are kind of wacky and say what they can limit at the time of the game down a little bit from like three and a half hours to two and a half hours. I really think that's a huge advantage to get people involved. That aren't aren't necessarily going to be involved with most of the time you know in a league that no one's GonNa know the players and stuff so right so you got Kinda gotta be Gimmicky. I I love it. I'm going to do my best to watch many games the hand so yeah me too and it starts right after the Super Bowl I think right. Yeah I saw the schedule. I can't remember exactly so. Yeah I mean I know I'm not GonNa but interesting you did. I don't know we'll see what happens. I definitely think they're better set up to succeed this time than the total joke they were you know in the past. I think they're doing it the right way this this last time. It was more of a Joe. It was marketed as he was wrestling professional wrestling football. And now it's like we WANNA make this serious but it saved time. Just give people what they want as far as a little different than the NFL. Because I think it's a good time to football so popular but people still want to see something different. Yeah I mean I. I don't know it's never going to be the NFL. No but I think it gives people an alternative after the villains he will look for your teams out of the Playoffs Star Scout. Here's XFL team right now. He's still gonNA shot curly covered over. The retracts offering free picks twitter of students. Your facebook soundcloud Victims are calmer of the guys make sure believe they covered the Gulfstream Park racing action. So obviously mistakes acting going on this weekend To make sure to check them out all the same play. Sit You'RE GONNA be on there. 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NPR News: 05-05-2019 10AM ET

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NPR News: 05-05-2019 10AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Joel Snyder another round of spring flooding appears to be a possibility for cast or say rainfall expected this week could lead to more flooding along the Mississippi River and its tributaries just as water levels drop after reaching their highest levels effort, some places Greg Gelinas, the national weather service meteorologist currently we have very major flooding along the Mississippi and Missouri river basins in the main stem rivers tributaries are kind of running a little bit lower right now. But this amount of rain that three to five additional inches of rain through the beginning of the week should actually increase those tributaries to potentially flooding and then add into the ongoing flooding in the area spring, flooding and Davenport Iowa last week broke records set back in nineteen Ninety-three Scientology cruise ship free wins docked at its home port and cure out Saturday, but it's unclear how many passengers are being allowed to disembark NPR's. Ryan Bank reports of Essel arrived as. After it was quarantined by officials in nearby Saint Lucia because a crew member contracted measles. How health officials say passengers who can prove their vaccinated or have had the disease in the past will likely be allowed on dry land. Others will remain aboard for the duration of the measles incubation period, which is between ten and twelve days. Dr Izzy Gerson booth is the chief epidemiologist for cure, Sal biomedical in health research institute, he says the infected person traveled in Europe before she joined the ship as a crew member and the governor of these lasers started having a runny nose and the ship's doctor decided to isolate her Gerston blue says a small team is aboard the ship administering vaccines. He has the process could take some time. Ryan Bank NPR news. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the military to keep up air strikes and tank fire against militants in Gaza as hostility stretch into a third day. The Israeli army says more than four hundred mortars and rockets. I've been fired into his Rayleigh territory from Gaza leading to the death of an Israeli, man. Several Palestinians have been killed to Venezuela. Now were thirty say they are carrying out an investigation after military helicopter crashed into a mountain NPR's. Philip Reeve says seven Venezuelan military officers were killed two new tenant tunnels were among the Venezuelan military personnel. Killed officials say that headache. Opd went down on its way to co head is that's a state south west of Caracas President Nicolas Maduro was in that same state yesterday. Appearing on government run TV at a military academy there to try to show his own forces, still loyal. He was doing. So after the US backed opposition leader one guy. Doe tried to exploit dissent within Venezuela's own forces by triggering a military uprising to drive Madonna from power in a tweet with dodo expressed condolences to the crash victims for the Braves NPR news cacus, and you're listening to NPR news. The National Marine Fisheries service has lowered the bar to make it easier to kill sea-lions at a hydroelectric dam at the Oregon Washington border Cassandra Profeta with Oregon public broadcasting reports on the new rules every year a few hundred California sea lions swim up to Bonneville dam to eat imperilled, salmon, they get anywhere from twenty to forty percent of the spring Chinook run under the old rules the forest. Eli lion could be killed to protect the salmon. It had to be seen eating a fish and seeing the damn for five days. That's an addition to hazing to scare it off Shawn Clements. With the Oregon department officiant wildlife says those criteria were too hard to meet. Animals in the water and see them doing those behaviors oftentimes we'll have an animal layer for over a year. And we can't meet those criteria rules. No longer require that the actual fish-eating be witnessed. That means. More sea-lions are likely to be killed for NPR news. I'm Cassandra Profeta in Portland cone or a maximum security, the horse that was disqualified at the finish of this year's Kentucky. Derby says he is looking into his next step. Gary west is calling the disqualification egregious and says he is considering appeal maximum-security cross the finish line first. But track Stewart said there was interference giving the victory to second-place finisher country house. It was the first disqualification of the top finisher derby history. Pope Francis in the Balkans. He arrived in Bulgaria today for a visit that will also take him to neighboring north Macedonia. Where voters today are participating in a runoff election for president. I'm Joel Snyder NPR news from Washington.

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In The Gate #417 - Secrets of Seabiscuit

In The Gate

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In The Gate #417 - Secrets of Seabiscuit

"The new shell v power nitro plus premium gasoline is engineered with four levels of defense against. Where corrosion. And friction why. It's sort of like having ninjas protect your engine that helps keep your engine running like new new shell v. Power nitro plus premium gasoline. Thought in engines that continues to use Shelby Howard, nitro plus pre Indesit. When you rub a scratch off ticket, and usually find out, you haven't won. What do you do next? Usually you wipe away the little shavings you scratched off. But what if little shavings, like that could explain what made one of the greatest racehorses of all time run so fast? We'll talk about the recovered DNA of seabiscuit. Plus, somebody had to win the Preakness, right? We'll reset the three year old classics picture with the Belmont, Stakes coming up on June eighth. It's all straight ahead on this edition of in the game. Negates there've optimal. This is in the gate. ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on Twitter at be Abrams voice, or on Facebook at Barry Abrams, boys. You can also get us on our YouTube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can get us on soundcloud, as well. Get us at the I tune store or tune in dot com. You can get us on that little pink pod Kanter app on your phone. You didn't even know you had. And now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN app for the full in the gate. Experience of scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN app. War of wills s for a little more around still four to make up at city ground a quarter together Pimlico, warriors charge leads the way. Well, they're at war per long war of willa Tyler athletes, slipping through the inside shifting out just a Tenet or left-hander here comes ever fast on the inside. And oh and Dale allayed bitterly outside war of will. Wow. War of will who said there, wouldn't be any story lines in the Preakness. That's all I heard all week and all the radio interviews, I was fortunate enough to do. There's nothing going on in the Preakness. Well, well, I think we can change all of that after war of wills victory one who was there to witness. It is Keith sergeant dementia advanced media, who we welcome for the first time here to win the gate. So talk to me about the vibe from the Mark Cassie barn after war of wills win was he feeling revengeful or was he feeling very matter of fact. Well, he downplayed revenge actor. I mean dismissed the question a little bit. But then you would hear him and he you know, you'd be how you could tell I think the one thing that really bothered, the most was the way the Gary west and a maximum security connections. And you can understand where they're coming from. But they the way they almost turned it around and tried to blame hinge jockey, and his horse for the way they wrote the Kentucky Derby, I think he. He kinda got a little ticked off about it. I mean he admitted he got ticked off about it. I think that bothered him a little bit. So, you know when when it came down to it, he just wanted a chance to, to as he put it. He just wanted a chance for fair shot. And I think he got it, you got a pretty clean trip. It does not often these days that when you don't have a horse going for the triple crown that a trainer and an owner commit to running in all three races, three races, and five weeks is not how horses are trained anymore. Yet, it seems that were of will is going to show up in the Belmont Stakes. What did marquess he say about that? Yeah. He said, if all things are ago he indicated after after eight ago, his his intention is to do it, and it kinda makes sense. I agree with you. That typically you don't see it, but I think a lot of these owners and trainers are kind of aiming for the three year old award, the horse of the year award. And that's probably a part of the motivations for Gary west and teach services. Well, when it comes to maximum security now that, you know, the Kentucky Derby, was what it was. And now. You the Preakness I think they're going to aim for, you know, maybe trying to prove themselves in the Belmont. Now, I don't wanna get too far ahead of the Belmont, but six weeks after the Belmont comes this little race on the jersey shore, you know, really, well, Mr. sergeant might that race the Haskell have a bit more juice, in it, this year, if that's the first rematch of maximum security, in more of will. I think so I it's a great point. And now mind, you Haskell was pushed up a week from their last Saturday, July, who the Saturday beforehand, certainly enough time. If more will does do the three races in five weeks. You know, you don't know how he's gonna come out of it, but it does set up is one of the, you know, grade one race is one of the final ones that a summer, certainly, a lot of history there and maximum security. He's being stalled there now. So he working out there every day, I certainly expected if you tell the he's going to be running in it, then, you know, you're going to see a couple of maybe of the Baffert over since he loves running there, maybe not improbable, but you know he had a couple live contenders as well. So yeah, it setting up to be a full field and really good field. Keeps sergeant avenge advanced media. Joining us here on the gate. He was at the Preakness and felt that vibe now we were talking about the three year old picture going forward. The Belmont is coming up. I said, I didn't want to get too far ahead of that, and it seems like we're going. Get a good field there, including Tacitus who wound up third in the Kentucky Derby, and some others from the derby. How do you see the Belmont shaping up right now? He'll have to hold out a little bit of hope that maybe he can balanced back. We haven't heard much from their camp in a while. Certainly, if he was the run, I would be intriguing but I again I think national security right after the derby they gave him about a week off. He's been training for for last week since Thursday. He plans on running again, I be surprised if they don't try to point them, pointing their Marquette again into ready indicated that you're got try to run worm will Baffert a couple of pitchers didn't run in the Preakness. You would think that one or two of those guys will, and then obviously always has a couple horses that he's high on tries to the toward the Belmont as twelve. So the Preakness when the bigger field that I kinda thought it was going to be I don't know if the Belmont, gonna have thirteen where but yeah, I could see ten really really talented worse than a really good field. Wait, did you say maximum security may point towards the Belmont? He had started training again. He had taken it like a little bit of a retrieved surgery against Asian service had indicate. Did that he'd like to read them a little bit more? And now we're talking three weeks. So all things being equal. I do know that big part of their motivation is horse of the year. How do you do that? You know, it'd be awfully hard for, for him to win horses a year without running in another triple crown race in and proving himself and proving the derby with the fluke, and now at twenty million dollar bed, which I'm sure you've probably talked about a little bit where he'd like to try to get a couple of these tours is an improvement salve against word will, and long range Coty and a couple of those horses as well. I agree with what Randy moss of NBC and ESPN alumnus said during the Preakness that a bonus like that, while sporting and making things. Interesting could be a really bad thing if you have jockeys riding to beat maximum security rather than to win the race. You could run the raised very differently depending on what you're trying to do. I don't know if that bonus works out as well as it sounds to gimmick, and I do. Think Marquette, the and a couple of the other training when Ted I talked to down in Baltimore. They don't don't like it, it is kinda gimmicky and it's not what they're all about. And I can see where we're Gary west is coming from that he just wants his horse to be able to prove himself in and say, yes, he was the best worse on fourth. And he's a pencil, we're two of the three year old class. And he didn't do whatever you can. But in a lotta ways the trainers horsemen that we talked to down there. They don't like it at all. Well, if these horses stay sound, there's a little bit of juice to bring the casual crowd a little bit closer to racing beyond the three triple crown races to see how this all plays out, Keith. Sergeant it to be at fun summer. Thanks for sharing a few minutes with us anytime, thank again, I'm big of podcast. Can you believe it just over seventy years since his death, we can still unlocked the secrets in the DNA of one of the greatest racehorses of the nineteen thirties? What we've learned about seabiscuit and how lessons can be applied today is straight ahead as begin the gate podcast continues. Ever lane has a mission make the world's most stain -able sneakers make them to last make them completely carbon neutral and never stopped pushing to make them better tread by ever lane is the leather trainer. That's the lowest impact of its kind made with less waist in almost no, virgin plastic. It's also completely carbon offset the treads use recycled, plastic wherever possible. Like for the laces lining, struggle board and more nine and a half discarded bottles or a new to make every pair and eighteen percent less carbon is omitted to make those components. So try them today at ever lane dot com slash tread. That's ever lane dot com slash tread. Welcome back to the indicate podcast. He was one of the greatest racehorses of all time and he lived an awfully long time ago, and the Hennion has had on the inside by with war Admiral second. He did leave by now by link for the half. The half. Is that, of course, was see biscuits famous nineteen thirty eight match race victory against triple crown winner war, Admiral seabiscuit was an unlikely champion coming from what we could graciously call pedestrian breeding, and not reaching the winner's circle in any of his first seventeen races. I mean these days how many horses even make seventeenth starts period, eventually the biscuit one thirty three races, including that memorable match race. And is every man quality, captured the heart of a nation starving for not just a hero, but a working class hero with so many people suffering during the great depression, but beyond the romance of his story. What was it about seabiscuit that made him run so, well, he wasn't exactly the physical specimen that, Bob Baffert would have picked out of a sale. I'll bet the thought never even occurred to you that we could figure out on a genetic level. What made the biscuit tick? Well, if we're spending time, building up to it, then it must be happening, and indeed, it is. Researchers at Binghamton university in upstate New York of all places have been able to extract a little still existing DNA of seabiscuit. How did they do it? And what have we learned from it? For more insight, we welcome in one of the main hands on specialists who conducted the experiment PHD student Kate DeRosa of the institute of Ecuador genomics at Binghamton university. Welcome. So as I understand, it, this whole thing started when someone from the seabiscuit Heritage Foundation, approached your group to examine DNA from one of seabiscuit currently living descendants. He only sired one hundred eight foals, but there are still some living descendants. How did the project get back then from the descendants to the genuine article himself? We ended up finding out from the family, who had owned seabiscuit that they still actually had the hose now. I'm I'm not sure if you're familiar with what the used to do back around. Seabiscuit was alive with racehorses, but they would basically remove their hopes upon death. And then they would silver Pam and makes them like mantlepieces are, ashtrays, so there's still have them in the family and they actually said, not only do you have them, but you could use them protesting. So that's, that's basically how he ended up getting them in starting this whole project. So the hopes would almost be like a baby's first shoes cast in bronze, right? Exactly. Yeah. Same idea. But, you know, big, big time, racehorse little bigger, too. Right. So in layman's terms, then how did the process, go to extract DNA from the hopes of this great horse whose hopes were cast in silver? So this is actually interesting, but a bit tricky, so since they do have full on them, the whole top is metal, but the bottom of the hoof, it was just preserved. We're not sure what but we're basically able to drill through that outer coating, which is, basically like a finger down, and try to get at the coffin bone inside the hook. And by doing that we're able to get foam powder. And when you have bone powder able to get DNA for it. What kind of condition was it the Hudson selves were in great condition, probably because they were preserved and? You know made into this decorative piece for the house today were in really great shape. But like I said, they were preserved which makes DNA difficult to deal with sometimes because preservatives can interfere with that, and also after death DNA starts degrading. So we were able to get some DNA but it wasn't in the best shape. It's not like if we were to go ahead and take ample from a living horse right now but we did have enough to actually do some Gino typing from him. So what did you find? So we were able to look at some racing jeans and basically, what we found was that his gene type match. What we expected for his race record that he could win short races that required sprinting, but he also won races that required stamina distance and his gene type is actually pretty rare and modern racehorses since nowadays, I'm sure, you know, they're bred more for speed instead of distance running, and his type also explains why he was sort of a late bloomer in terms of his racing career since, you know, he didn't do so didn't do so well in the first few years of racing will without going too far down the rabbit hole for those of us without that background that you have. What does that mean the jeans he had for sprinting? The GNC had for distance. Why he didn't do well early what shows that. So we actually will. At a group of variance within the genome, that are basically associated with how, how good you are at distance running. Or, you know, if you're more of a sprinter, it's something similar, that's looked at in human athletes lot, whether they are better at running fast or if they're better running, like sort of flow into steady over a long distance. So basically, we were just looking at that, and horses as well to determine what type of racing, they would be good at, and he has genome type that is more consistent with being able to do short races sprinting or the feminine distance that again. That's not something we see too often nowadays. Is this a binary thing, you know, like ones, and zeroes in computer, code stamina, jeans versus sprinting jeans? It's a little more complicated than that. So we're looking at multiple genes. So it's the matter. Of what, you know, if you have a one zero in multiple places, so it's not as simple as one genomic position being good or bad. It's how they all sort of stack up together. When the you look at them as a whole or guest here, Kate to Rosas a PHD candidate at Binghamton university's institute for Ecuadoran genomics. Now, what other kind of characteristics is your team studying from this DNA? So we're hoping to actually get some more DNA from seabiscuit shortly have been some new extraction at that came out last fall should let us get better quality DNA this way, instead of doing a few genes, we could you some whole genome studies to go better idea of all the very NC biscuit could've had also hoping to use some hair. We just received from men of war, which, as you guys now is a biscuits, paternal, granddaughter, and we're hoping, we can actually do some. Comparative studies between the two in see where they're at the same where they're different to maybe better understand their race records. Have you found anything yet with the men, a war data? We have not read just receive them a few days ago. So we have not actually gotten as far as looking at data just yet, but we're hoping to very soon. Oh, exciting. You know, we're going to have to call you back with that. I hope that, that would be great. Thoroughbred men and horsewoman liked to believe that as the generations of horses move on the brief Volvos, and presumably improves, so how can we apply today, the data from these two horses legendary but very old in the evolutionary process, I think is a bit of insight into, I guess the way race and cash change. Right. Because as you mentioned, they're much older horses. They were around in the first half of the nineteen hundreds and the type of race horse that's being bread is different. So seabiscuit I mentioned, his gino's type is rare in modern horses, and he was a great racer for back then. But we don't know how he would stack up today. Right. Because the way horses are bred now we're looking more for speed over distance funding. But in terms of the genetics of it. We would have to actually look I have not personally looked at how seabiscuit say would compare to one of the modern triple crown winners, or something like that. Okay. Let's just see it for what it is. If you could get to the point in your life where you could earn a doctorate for working on seabiscuit and men, a war, would you do it? Of course, you would do it, but we're glad that this project is in the hands of somebody who really knows what she's doing. So Kate DeRosa. Thank you so much. This is so exciting. Thank you. Yeah. Really excited to see what we got with men a war. Art, thanks, once again to Cape DeRosa, and to Keith Sargent. He made his name as a funny man in the seventies and eighties. 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Part 2: Sid Fernando, Chris Kotulak

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Part 2: Sid Fernando, Chris Kotulak

"Twenty said Happy New Year. Happy Meteors how was How would the holidays? Thank you for asking Really good good You know family friends and Great time good way to start the new ear well and we waste no time of course the the industry marches on when it comes to the bloodstock side of things things. And you'll you'll be on the road by the by the weekend Heading to Kentucky. We got the January sale front and center up accurate accurate kicks off and then that'll be followed by this sale and then we'll have reading reading season so I'm waiting for no one except just it rolls immediately a the you know I call it. The hamster wheel is the hamster. The hamster can only we stay out of that wheel for so long. And then it gets right back in and It's you start the pedal and it goes of its own of its own volition. It's pretty funny and of course you know a lot of it. A lot of it is driven just by the cycles Involved with the bloodstock stock and of course January first ticks The calendar ticks. And we start to get the first foles and the always always the first missives. Are you know the the first crop stallions getting their first babies and this kind of appropriate that justifies was the first reported. I was in office at oddly. Yeah it was. It was pretty historic and Yeah you know the time when this crop Just not not just at Ashford which justify year but Scott gatty other son and the half to into mischief whose elite tires the tear. Each brother Mendelssohn will also has his first full since kind of an exciting Nine people To see what their full look like and Scott that gone. Obviously so concerns here are going to be I think quite important in in the next few years to come especially especially with the way get daddy has already done with it. I assume it said for the same organization in Europe for Coolmore. No no never I think it's It's a really exciting time for them because Galileo Galileo obviously is aging for them over there giant's causeway died here and they have just made a AH announced Gary announced music. They've taken part half of maximum security. So with all the farms you know. They're always looking looking ahead to the next Horse that can Carrying foreign The farm and All farm looking you for that and so you know cool more. Certainly one of the most aggressive in pursuing the standings because it's been their stock in trade. It's going to be very big time for them to justify it folks look the kick it will react to the year. They've had with the American American Farrow. Who became the leading First Crop Sire as you. You basically opened the door to to to to a couple of different areas that I wanted to bring with you and part of that and you actually utilize the cool more investment in maximum security as as a As fodder for peace and I am curious. How how how the maximum security long-term scenario and prospects how does it differ for in your mind said and obviously he's got you know chapters yet to right in terms of his racing in career but why is he going to be any different then? What transpired with California chrome? Because of course California chrome had you know the I hate to say something negative about Lucky pulpit but that obviously was a factor are things that different for maximum security. WHO's you know? I never really got a chance to do much In North America in terms of New Year's Day and and then of course even the damn I Iran the peace in fact During the holiday break Iran the peace with Ben Glass explaining how everything transpired behind. Maximum Security The dam and and the siren. You've talked about it because the you know the client relationship but it is maximum security going to get a better opportunity to be a success. At Stud Than California chrome did I think so For a few things I mean the very similar. It's very good point that you bring up Couple of the differences News Day was a fairly young Italian and a couple of things happened He actually didn't have very good a great first crop button. Second Crop has done well and he's already By the time as a as a president I would account about Glaswegian references. GDN already had seven black type winners and five black horses. Twelve black voices including a three graded stakes winners and one grade one. Play course integrate super for each show enough right that Shaddai farm pay five billion for him and and they force following that same theme. I just started off with looking for another stallion. Tops down died last year. Her deep impact and Comey MIA so they're also looking now. for An mayor and obviously taking bricks and mortar a likely the year here. They've taken some other smaller origins and New Year's Day is GonNa get a lot of He's GonNa Benefit from the mirrors that would have been available to some of these big horses sources. That shot I in fact that chat I allowed is GonNa Bank and Coupled with the fact that he had you know A better her record for his age than Lucky pulpit did I think those two factors alone and the fact that he is a grade. Eight one winner by street cry. Who actually won the breeders the juvenile where Lucky pulpit didn't have that kind of race record even those well bred horse. I think a lot of that is going to shape Maximum security into a better A prospect certainly commercially perhaps even with the ability then and California chrome com pedigree wise because of those factors. Because if you think about it before it's new year's Day was grade one winner. Lucky pulpit wasn't a force has a already now had several graded stakes winners. He's getting a new shot at Chad. I where he'd be a great marriage and yeah It works it works. You know in a lot better Way when it's when it's put put down on paper then the other words did In terms of desire line in terms of the female family the dam of back securities behalf to flat out. How would you three point six million dollars winner? That's true multiple grant one winner. You know so there's some great you know it's a big series black type in front and it's not to say Steve Your point is well. Okay can In this climate anything can happen. But the fact that that vote Coolmore and Gary Wet are fifty percent owners of course It's GonNa be difficult to just send in Japan or abroad. Way Say cool more by themselves did with aunts and after one crop he he was so And when Gary was so New Year's Day that was really at the end of the line when they just weren't getting getting marriage for him Gary West doesn't really want to sell it source to go to somewhere else so obviously partake with cool more and the shoveling the Horse Australia Australia. which brings up another interesting point? Which I didn't mention in my column that I didn't have enough room but Whom Kumar so sharp that they already have a group one winning Senate street cry? Young son is two year olds are just running right now to do by multiple group one winner by street cry right. He looks like he's going to be good. He's already started off really quite well. And as Kumar does with sire lines they have to through pioneer. Denial is there an American style and classic Empire that T- SCAT daddy in justify and Mendelssohn. you know if they shuttle maximum security now to Australia. You've gotTa have a trailer already started off by Friday Friday Dubai. He turns into something successful. They're giving indications he. Would you know you're able to ease. Maximum Security Australia. Were Street cry. Who had tremendous record four side wing On top of a bunch of other group one winners their and the party's going to mention that I didn't mention the column was competitor. There is Arrow fueled stud. Our field has a relationship with showed I think when we some of the shadows work will shuttle down to our field. Some of keeping packhorses did for example. And if for example New Year's Day were shuttled to Arrow field And have a presence there by bringing maximum security failures cool more would be able to trump araquil by having the son of New Year's Day there as well so so it's a tight geopolitics Lot of advanced moves kinda thought out and in for future. Utah Planning when when you know. These guys are looking at horses. I'm glad I I asked that. And you bring up. You bring up the Gary West portion and as opposed to some outfits that that have the opportunity to produce a runner that that makes it to Stud Uh Gary Mary Wester or breeding. I mean how many broodmares do they have what they have quite a few now because they they also are going to be supporting game winner and West Coast as lanes then they are supporting wording American. Feed him at here. Greek and they had the marriage to these. Horses flashback powerbroker and near day he'll unveil they've got you know quite big gruber band at this point And they are are Kinda committed to supporting their young horses. And they're looking forward to that So I think having them as at any farm to have them department a huge parts intensity quality and support. I mean if you look at New Year's Day was pointed out of my article Up to twelve black type forces that I mentioned seven black type winners and five black that plays horses three graded stakes winner. Gary Mary Wet. Read all three of the graded stakes winners They read seven out of the twelve black tag courses so you can see the importance of their blue near ban in just that one stallion if you take their seven hours. Maximum near down has five black-tie oranges and only two three bucks at wins out of that group. So you know very good point you made with the with the West. They're pretty committed to doing that. And you know of course. There's still super disappointed about what happened with maximum maximum security in the Derby And the four. Gary West has had the bucket list of four races for forty years and also Cynthia Benton eighty four the breeders cup that he wanted to win two words Derby be and the Travelers and the other two since eighty four has been the Breeders Cup classic and the Juvenile. Well he's won the juvenile twice with New Year's Day and win winner he wanted to traverse west coast He hasn't won on the classic but he thought he'd won the Derby with the maximum security. So you know it's It was it was something that was pretty devastating for him to to lose the horse and the Stewart with storage. Yeah there's no doubt and when when you when you bring up that list of of goals of targets targets Tell you what reminds me of is sedation. The a very similar I mean and and frankly not had so much success in in every aspect except for the racy wanted I mean Iraq was happy to win all the things he won but it was the deriding that he always set out to answer. ADD IT I don't want to call it a cautionary tale but certainly it's A. It's a bit of a white whale concept upped. The you know so. I don't know if you've heard me talk about this was it must have been the the last week of the of the season and I I or even as recently as this week I I would. I just would hate I referenced Peter Fuller said just would hate for this Gary West has been so successful and he and his wife have done and are continuing to give away all of their. They're they're sizable fortune. Iraq and couldn't be more generous in an altruistic threw a stick and it it's upsetting to see some of the really unfair things. People are there personifying defying and projecting onto to Gary West in in this frustration and absolutely couldn't agree with you more. I know Gary the very well and Gary West is about one of the nicest guy I've ever met and and one of the most principal guys you know the people also forget and I'm glad you brought up the bigger former incident people forget the fact that when dentures image was disqualified Peter Wonderful took the went to court to And that was in sixty eight so that was put up with forward pass. Peter went to in court and sometime. I believe at the end of nineteen. Seventy decision was reversed and dancer's image was actually made Kentucky Derby winner and then that was appeal and it was I think in seventy two that was again reversed on the appeals court and and for batches again reinstated so the irony is for from like six from sixty eight to seventy Peter. Peter Fuller had fought the decision in seventy. He got a decision that he was the Derby winner. And for two years source of dirty every water until it was reversed again in seventy two and I remember that was right during the time when secretary was coming up. So I'm pretty sure that day but You know what I was talking to Gary actually yesterday and he said this to me and he's absolutely right and their personal i. That wouldn't if they poke they were wrong. That's why court exists to take your case up applying you know and and just because he did that. I think he was unfairly vilified For for doing that you know what I mean and I don't think anybody else would have done the same thing too if they felt they had a case and that they were And they were it was an improperly controversial thing and they felt that they have the evidence I think anybody would pursue that as well so your point here again. Well take now. And I'm going to send out a link for those that. Ah Maybe hearing the the name Dancer's image for the first time and and aren't familiar with what transpired in nineteen eighteen. Sixty eight and subsequently milt toby's Book Dancer's Image The forgotten story of the Nineteen Sixty Eight Kentucky Derby is an absolute must read. It must have come out five. Maybe six maybe more than now maybe even more the net and of course milt is fabulous and does yes on so many great and you get the blood words when he was there the parallel with the to the Gary Webb thing. Too in the sense that actually I yell yesterday that Peter Fuller were kind of an outsider. Ryder you know Indian versus the insiders Kentucky as Gary is So so you know. There's always that element of you know Whether you're in a club or not well there. There's also when it came to Peter it came to his very outspoken political views You know of civil rights it's I mean that's the that's the thing that was was an undercurrent the entire time involved here and of course you can't you can't have this story without without the Derby doctor himself. The and Alex Alex Harthill. There's there's no there's no there's no nefarious activities from from the fifties to the seventies that it That that don't have Dakar Hills thumbprint on it. So let's let's let's fold it all in now you You WanNa you WANNA story. This is One that can't be the IT really. You want to read the most interesting. I know we. We just had a lot of people talking about the decade having just ended. You WanNa talk about you know the most controversial versus story Of of the last fifty years I mean this is this is as big as it as it gets and I I I think as I really should. I'll ask Casey to find that that interview with not just with with milk but I had beautiful Oloron years ago. Oh sure had a wonderful visit with Peter. And of course we upon his passing Abbey. Abby visited You Know Peter Fuller was a man in full The yeah to say the least back to the first full story said and I I I was curious and the reason I brought up first foles in part how how much decision making for breeders will come Upon the opportunity to get a look at first foles from from stallions that that they may be considering. How how much is that? A part of a decision making process. And I suppose you can fold it into the folds that that may be mayors I. I'm mayors maiden mayors are dropping in coming weeks where people are are Wanna see what they got from the meetings that they already had had enjoyed. Well that's it that's actually a function of How popular in And I deal with this frequently in fact I just did that with the other day. Mr Fifty had a has a married that is Info Kirwin the young mayor personal and of course Curling heavily in demand. So you can't afford afford to wait to see what I was GonNa look like you WanNa book back so we had to go ahead. Your Book Read Book Kirwin even though You know we'll we won't be able to see the bowl looks like because because by that time the chance of not being able to get into the book and if you're you know a champion or a grade one winner which is marijuana. But she was good enough to get in but she would probably not get get in later. once totally fucked up so that the can that's always a consideration when you're When you're gonNA read read back to change downing or you want to feel like your phone looks like you have to be? I think it's more apt if if you're a breeding to a electric less happier sounding and part the thing but the you know there's always a handful of ops down in that day you really need to you get into as quickly as possible otherwise you stand a chance of getting it all interesting now. I'm glad I I had that as a as a question to send your way And I also wanted to slip in for Hill ellendale purposes and since Australia came up The news that world trouble Who of course is going to be standing his first season I and standing alongside his own sire can't Theros that he's going to Shuttle he's already ready. Made a deal with cornerstone Stralia for for heading to the southern hemisphere after the season. Yeah that's a AH killing Dale is is always had a history of Doing Shuttled Deals I. When I saw that I couldn't think and I might be missing something where they've done Australia before they were really just doing South America Erica beforehand? But this this particular cornerstone study. I believe it's also the same outfit if I'm not not mistaken that's reverse shoveling Syrup rant slot who California and they deal with You know speed is their game. Sopranos clotted speed horses. Well and So it's an interesting development and I think it's GonNa yeah workout for world trouble. WHO's you know? When I was six changed its furlong? is Great Great Profile He's he's he's GonNa be real popular. His very close relative Boo Shero has been incredibly popular down in Florida and I think he paid on prospect. So It's a real speed line that you really work in In Australia would feed it. You know the game and particularly the turf sprint exploit. That's a just a natural and you know his even his versatility to in fact the fact that he I we should round this out said And of course we still have a couple of weeks the to fully discuss it but World Trouble Pretty Amazingly You know he's going to. He's going to get outpolled in both of the categories but for him to be a jewel finalised vote-getter in both the turf category and the Sprint Category Uh real feather in his CAP No Down Yeah no question. Did you go ahead. I was GONNA say did you I don't I don't know if I've seen much reaction from you publicly yet about The the way the the voting and these finalists announced on on Saturday How you interpreted it? I you know I saw I. I I've seen I think I've seen yours Ah I don't vote But a lot of people voting and for the most part. I think You you know. They're they're fairly reasonable. boat. Tally jockey pointed out the couple eyebrows. but other than that You know for the most part I card crew Inside too much and it seems like everybody that that you'd want to be acknowledged For the most part is going to be and I was concerned that maximum security would be an mkx perhaps still is because there was a lot of victory all around him because of the wet or Gary West. I should say and sometimes you know TURF writers are humans and Because they don't like the owner you know you might penalize the ors but oh I think I think from what I've seen there's been been getting the representation that he should ah to well-qualified up opponents but you know. Hurry gory that perhaps he might get you know more because the owner ankle. Well to be honest I thought it was. I thought it was notable that that he ends up being a horse of the year finalist of I had been Nyepi so Oh yes that was quite notable. I mean that. That's that's an achievement in itself. I mean obviously bricks and mortar. And Matola you're the are the you know the major candidates and deserving over at some point said you vote or you must have been the VRF voter and not only the regular voter but back. Then the the breeder votto and every voter and it was a panel allegation yes. Each organization was given to voice to people and I was one of the to the daily racing form and we would meet and it was It was you know we we were actually been in bugged dark and we you know. I think it was a much better system where we were able to. You know. I think. Make a more informed decision. Just enjoy specialty did it before. And I've I've seen that I I have seen that spouse and and being promoted Again I think I think I think I think maybe I don't WANNA speak out of turn but I think Array Paulikas has said you know this might be a better that might have been a better system I think Steve Chris may be Has has said that might be time to go back to that Because the the reliance on earnings lists is just I to me. It's a reason I I hate. It drives me nuts and what it does is the fourth penalizes really small breeding operation that have had exceptional results in a year versus the gross. Earning you know yes And you have to be able to to look at that. And in in some instances you have to be able to say well you know what the actual achievements here Kind of trump That'd that'd be gross. Exactly and what is what is notable in. What is the once in a while? It does seem that there's been the occasion where certain harmonies have have have worked and an outfit gets it's recognized that really that sort of transcends this and I brought this up In an exchange with J D you know the fact that brought this up with Andy yesterday when when when Dale Romans managed a win the the trainer in two thousand twelve. You know because he didn't obviously have have you know the kinds of quantity and earnings and and numerical Starters and wins that that asmussen and Pletcher and I don't think I don't think Chad's numbers were as big then as they are now but he was. I think fourth earnings that year and yet Dale L. managed to do it how `bout when clear sky when clear sky one years ago that was that was a vote where people understood You know how special but when it comes to somebody I mean. You've heard me rail on this. A few times Jane Lion and and and her trick and fielding. These are people that you know that deserve to be honored along those lines. Mrs Is wherever there was two years in a row where the industry had a chance to recognize Charlotte and didn't do it. You know there. There's you gotTa and you gotTa dig below the the surface Yeah Yeah sometimes. If you don't they have a system that's working Corrective measures then. Are you behind team. which ended up Up penalizing other people and in the case in Charlotte Weber. Perfect example was because she'd been shunned a couple of times and being. You Know Jockey Club Ben Burien or what. Not what the what what what. The Talbot to her was A few a year ago day. A per mare Broodmare year now. Broodmare of the year is usually given out by the Kentucky Thurber Breeders Association. Everybody knows that. And it's always been that has been the marriage year but then Toba created another broodmare year category and gave that award there. Her mayor over The Kentucky Thurber Beater and owner of course so that in that particular year two years ago there coobook marriages year her hair with the sober organizations vacations Award and the Kentucky third would be a nurse Association and unfortunately the one that gets to delete put into the catalog pages. Because it's Toba. Is this new Toby Award winner. So the other mayor got penalized and that's only only married mayor than has ever been different something. He got penalized because of the zealousness of these groups to try to correct a previous wrong. So that's why it's done right. The first time there needs to be a back door kind of thing aback smoky back room office dealmaking to try to fix something and then you hurt somebody else in the process and symptomatic. Isn't it of everything right now. Well and and he we. We look at this list of of finalists this year and and using bricks and mortar is the engine on the train. A He's you. Oh He's bringing. He's bringing along J. J. Brisbane on Monday Actually John White also kind of driving home. The George strawbridge scenario when it came to the mayor the mayor in question win approval approval miraculous Charlotte's incredible with approval daughter that just spit out one great Horse after another the year that world approval and approval happened to have been a horse of the year finalist in try seventeen eighteen and as well as turf champion and you know here was the perfect opportunity to recognize somebody that that has been contributing to the industry for forty five years and and she went completely. Unrecognized and I think we all acknowledge that that's half Clarkson is going going to get his recognition this year when it comes to here. Yeah so which is which is Overdue but you know have have some collective consciousness of of what contributions are being made You know to the the health and wellbeing of of the sport That that that's the opportunity here that's right that's my. That's my point that I tried to drive home. Well said Great. Start to who sire watch pedigree focus brought the hill and Dale. And I do want to remind people especially if you're if you're standing a particular regional regional stallion and there's been quite a few recent announcements here in New York Leofric is come to rock ridge edge and the meany coming to Joe McMahon McMahon and company adding Sola meany to central banker and more. So if you've got a regional standing and particularly make sure you're part of the Knicks program and get them registered. Yeah Ah thank you not at all worked thoroughbred consultants get Ahold said five one zero four nine hundred eleven eleven. Still plenty of time You may have a broodmare that is going to be added to the band that you didn't expect. Then you've gotTa make a mating decision We have to do that ourselves. Said with our with our charge philly. I'm I think I am. I want your yeah yeah I want your I want your watch out for sure. I didn't realize that I was going to give you a pin. But when you said that I I kind of dropped it no no. I think we know what we're doing but I think you know what we're doing but it it I would love for you to to added to any. You know maybe something. That's that's the beauty of of having Somebody who's whole life's work has been devoted so this and that's true of John Secure and the team at Helen. Dale get a hold of jared and everybody there to make your arrangements intruments including world of trouble. Fifteen thousand dollars life. Oh said talk next week. Thanks so much all right. Crock you got it said Fernando everybody and a really Spirited visit I also sent out the link. I think I did for everybody to to order. Milk Toby's Dancer's image book and I can't recommend that Eilly enough or anything that built the got his name on taking a break here Chris Ca- to lack is going to join us. We'll catch up on fonder park and and they're contest at the end of the month. But everything else. Chris has been there over a year now and then. We're going to talk to Aaron Crazy about the stallion auction which is underway. CCA at Seth Mero as well at the races back after this apple with Steve on Sirius. XM Radio Hey. What's going on Mikey and I'm GonNa tell you about an offer for my good friends at express but let's be honest we know you'll love the play in the racist but you can't always make it to the track? Sometimes life just gets in the way of a good bet. 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Brian Stafford Telo go to PA.. BREAD DOT COM and see see why. Pennsylvania is the premier place to breed in race and now back to the races with Steve on Siriusxm. Way To go in and okay talk about. We're back at the races a little bit Twelve ten twelve minutes to the top of the Hour Erin. Crazy is gonNA join us next. After we talked to Chris CA- TO ELEC and It's always a pleasure to get a chance to talk to Chris. Bonner Park Grand Island Nebraska and Chris the welcome back happy New Year. Thank you Steve. Same back to you and I appreciate you creating a little space for Little Park to be on your your big show It's always a pleasure when we talk horseracing together and of course my pride and joy is Nebraska horse racing where I cut my teeth on horse racing. So it's it's great to be back here in Nebraska and on the show again with Steve. Well we've talked for years and whether it was Oklahoma and Remington. And then you made the move. It's it's a little over a year now right or or is it two years right. It was June of two thousand eighteen gene or maybe July. I I guess my dear friend Todd Auto passed away. Suddenly he was the Chief Operating Officer at Foreigner Park. And when I came up for the funeral just sort off-hand leary made a made a remark the Co.. Hey if there's anything I can do to help out in. Todd's passing. Please let me know. And he says I'll talk to the board tomorrow morning. I oh I didn't mean it like that but here I am at Park Now with some divine intervention if you will and then CEO Bruce Lockhart who hired me then and then decided he was ready to retire. So I'm in. I'm in his office looking outside the window and believe me. It's good to be on this side of the window because about twenty minutes or stomping around the stable stable area. We have horses here. We're training the track is open so you might hear me sniffling a little bit with my hands and voice still trembling from and the Chil outside but by the way we're not Canada where in Nebraska. Well I referenced earlier this morning and when I knew I reached out and I was hoping we would get a chance to talk. And you've got a very popular contest at the end of the month. The that amounts to a last last chance I chance Opportunity for an H. C. and the the horsemen's park and and finer and the heritage rid of of racing interests in Nebraska is is extensive. And you know I I find it really Sad in a lot of ways I mean having lived in Kansas City for a couple of years and having gotten up to x Arben and given its its place in in racing history. And you know. Obviously we're going to circle into a Jack Van Berg good discussion and Bill Mott and and all the great horseman that that the came out and through Nebraska. We the born terrain Film that we promote over the last year when came to John You know the heritage and the the love of of the Horse and the horsemanship and the interest in horse play being it. It is so pronounced in the region. Well Steve Fleming whenever I would venture over to Oakland Parker anywhere outside beyond Brassica The sentiment intimate that starts to boil over from people of you can hear it quivering their voice. Maybe you hear it in my in mind right now when we talk about exorbitant in Omaha Omaha and what that meant to people and the nugget that was with such such a jewel in the gym of National Horse Racing Back in the seventies and eighties. He's and And early nineties and The stable area was this beautiful facility with maple trees that sort of was almost. You need your lights. Your car lights lights go through there. Because the the trees grew up over the path that would take it to the race track and the barn and stable kept up so well anyway. That's the glory days of course racing to be sure but so many of the people that you mentioned Already would add to Yvonne Hamels. TV Smith and Hossen men and Lyman rollins. And Glenn Hild who I worked for when I first started working on the race track and so many others have come out of Nebraska and the brask is a shadow of its former self. I'll come come right out and say that With the casino money that is coming a Jason States or nearby states Iowa Minnesota Oklahoma. You name it. It has sucked the life if out of Nebraska horse racing but the people that are still here Steve They still remember what it is to breed and own racing raise and train horses. They're just breeding. Okay breads I With breads now and if we can get some things squared away We'll get him back going here in Nebraska and waving the Marvin Johnson right now. Who just by? It's one of his sources who's done so well. He left Nebraska because he had to find a better way for himself. And he's created quite a niche in Indiana there. But that's that's that bandstand stanton stand on. But we're here to talk about the big handicapping contests Steve Well and give everybody the the outline and what the opportunity is this guy last year over two hundred participants and this is this is popular. And it's actually you know fairly easy. I mean from a regional standpoint You know the the Upper Midwest And you know from Missouri. Kansas Iowa points on the compass. This is a great chance for an onsite. The qualification to get the Vegas sure. I mentioned my dear friend Totta who passed away. This was his brainchild a few years ago. so when I took the position I said well. We're going to name this todd auto memorial mega handicapping challenge in what it is. It's a two day live money Challenge or handicapping contests all of the money for prize. Money is generated from entry fee or corporate sponsorships local businesses from the grand either area. Pay Five hundred dollars and last year. The person was over sixteen thousand dollars prize money. Sixteen thousand and the winner gets half so the winner earned just over eight thousand dollars The entry fees are scaled. They started twenty five dollars depending on when you sign up there currently currently the seventy five dollar strata. This year we decided to spend Five thousand dollars and become part of the national The two or the NHCD tour and so the winner of our tournament can qualify to either the finals and Vegas coming up this February or they can delay it until February of twenty twenty one. You can sign up online for the NHCD tour membership. If you haven't done so already just send us a check here to fallen apart or show up on January twenty fifth. It's a two day contest. Saturday and Sunday January twenty five and twenty six. You must be here to play and it's no-holds-barred you can make any wager you want except except for a pick five or pick six wager and it's two hundred dollars live money. So you've got your entry fee of seventy five dollars. Currently it by the way jumps up to one hundred under dollar entry fee on January twenty. First I believe is the date So just come with your your two hundred dollars alive money and come on and matter of fact Steve. I'm happy happy If you'd like to force some prizes on your show whatever Give out some some contest. Entry fees again. They're currently at the seventy five dollar strategy. So this seventy five dollar value for however many you want to give out Steve and maybe your listeners pop in the car hop on the plane and flying the grand hand island or Omaha or Lincoln or wherever and make the road trip. I have to say that it's not the most attractive place to travel in January the The the facility is many people are just stunned that they see what we have to offer here And then of course if you really they wanNA treat yourself anybody. Here's the plug for live racing and people will kind of roll their eyes and kind of look down their nose when I say this. But there are only only a handful of racetracks in the nation. That's routinely sell out on a Saturday. Keeneland Saratoga would get close to a sell out. I would suppose Oaklawn Park work. And who else can you add to that list. None no other track comes to mind and I'll add one for you. Though Foreigner Park we routinely sell out here on Saturdays and and our grandstands are packed and it is a live hop and vibe that you just you won't feel anywhere unless you're at Oakland Saratoga or Keeneland in so bucket lists people if you're making road track to a little road trip to a little track with big spirit it's right here in Grand Island Nebraska phone apart. What are the what are the dates? It's for this year. Coming up your January twenty five and twenty six and the contest starts on the twenty fifth. You can actually have two entries so you could have two working at one point or if you Boston you want to jump right back in you can. But that's only on the first day the second day we don't allow anybody to get back in and last steer the winner made to back to back winning plays Santa Anita and they were they had few couple two or three thousand dollars at the time and they just made one big play and then came right back again with another one and they won the tournament with eight thousand. Eight thousand dollars was what the The price was paid to them. But I think they're actual balance in the contest itself. You know it's based on whoever has the highest bankroll was about five thousand dollars if memory serves me correctly and this is live money so Yeah it was fifty to to eighty is what they had for an ending bankroll and the two day tournaments. They made some money. And then they got the eight thousand dollar prize money on top of that And are any any limits on the racetracks. I mean or is it. Is it whatever. Whoever's running is there a time constraint Starting at a certain time or not. Good Question Steve. It's just about every race. Track former park takes which is just about every racetrack all the bigs for sure And it ends on Sunday at three. PM Central Time so any tracked. The kinda starts. Later in the day on. Sunday won't be included. But of course we'll have we make way for the New York tracks and the Florida tracks and Louisiana and and Kentucky and California so all the big ones are are involved there. I encourage people go to fauner park dot com and click on promotions and contests and it has all of the rules there and I can tweet it out to to your to your twitter handle as well. Steve and our website is new new. It's under some construction but it does have the elements of what you need. Everything you need to know is is On our website on apart dot com or reach me. Here it's on our park or we'll we'll get you the information you just need to figure out a way to get to Gi here at the end of January. I love it and you know and when I asked about the dates to I what what are the racing. What's the racing in calendar this this year at fodder? Okay sure we begin February twenty first and people say why do you race that time of the year well. That's our niche the quality of horses that we have and the calendar of racing is is before us. We do very well with the February twenty first and and we conclude on Kentucky Derby Day which is may second. We're just Friday Saturday Sunday. Daytime racing so it's thirty one days of racing eleven weeks of racing and we get the folks that are on their way to Canterbury or Peru meadows or or can't quite get into oaklawn or or Have Oklahoma Arizona on their on the radar or part of their calendar. And it's worked well for us here. This is our sixty seven th year of racing founder Park. And I'm feeling like an old man because I've been here since I started in eighty six so I I'm certainly part of the of the fabric of of this place here and I love it. Well we can't do enough to to help whether it's this guy that store For the racing calendar at fonder and just know how you know how much effort goes into putting on a as as the greatest show as as possible and Chris The SOGANG hallway. Everything you do. And and of course The you know the ongoing ongoing legacy associated with promoting Jack Van Berg and Jack's story grit to glory and every year. When we do our book recommendations that we tell everybody if they haven't read Jack Story that you know that you brought to life and and were so instrumental in getting jack out on the road and and getting a chance for him really before he passed to be greeted and feted nationwide in wide. And that's something that will be a lasting legacy for you as well. Yeah that was my goal in. It happened so mission accomplished Steve and by the way in addition to my offer for if you went to offer some some prizes on your show for the free entry to our contest also throw in a book as well for that. Jd Looking and then they can have the most recent edition or they can have the autograph. JV addition which They can take their choice. But Anyway Steve. You're such a good hand and you were such a saint to us when Jack and I and my bride were up there at Saratoga for a book signing you made a great impression on me then I could tell you a tremendous advocate of force racing. Then as you are now so thank you. Shout out my Our PATH President Steve Hansen. Who listens to your show? Religiously Hanson International Truck Service here in grand and Ireland and his crew that. Listen to your show so Thanks for your time as always do not all Chris my pleasure. You should be following Chris CA- to lack back and take advantage of this opportunity. And I'll put a little something together. reach out to us about Taking that that seventy five dollars entry fee and SHOWING UP AT GRAND DIAL and at fodder for a chance to win your way to Las Vegas and we'll look forward to February and the start of the race meet as well at Fonder Park. Let's take the top of the hour break. We'll come back Erin. Cranial radio join us in we visit with Arran seemingly a couple of times a year because of T. C. A. The thoroughbred charities of America that does such great work it is their biggest fundraising effort of the year. It started this morning at nine o'clock and goes to five o'clock on Friday. It's the annual stallion season auction. They pretty much raise a budget and more Every year Over these next seventy two hours. We'll talk to Erin crazy next at going to talk to Seth Mero as well in this hour and and there is some very sad news that I've got a pass along from the last twenty twenty five minutes and word is come from south Florida. Oughta Mike Welch off the phone with Georgia Navarro X. Y. Jet Suffering offering a cardiac incident after a routine Gallup today and past the veteran sprinter sprinter. That has been so good for so long and I'm sure we'll talk to Mike No later than Friday but I just re tweeted the note. The from Mike. So hearts go out to the team involved X. Y.. Jet Very sad back after this the feedback on Sirius. Xm radio the home at the tracker on the go express bed is your way to play. The Racist Express Bet provides legal insecure online and mobile betting on more than three hundred the world's top tracks and all the big events. And when you sign up for an express bet account today with Promo Code Vic that's B. Y. K.. You'll receive a one hundred twenty twenty five dollars bonus. 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Equine you come up with no back to at the races with Stanford on Sirius. XM radio when when you get to have put Jehan dropbox. We're back. The store excitement himself. Jackie Wilson so great would that reminds me of well. Save it for probably for Friday or tomorrow but it's going to be in Cincinnati on Saturday and looking for it. I'll give you all. The details has to do with music and circle back around with that right now. Happy to visit with Aaron Crazy and we reach out to Eran. It is an opportunity to promote thoroughbred charities of America that as such great work spreads grant money around the industry for a lot of good causes and today literally two hours ago. The the Bell Rang for the Annual Stallion William Season Auction. It's I don't know if I'm data this but I think it's your biggest fundraiser of the year and biggest source of revenue First of all.

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PART 1: Jay Privman, Marcus Hersh, Erik Johnson,

"Sirius X._M.. Ports presents raises with Steve and becoming interviews this glue Steve Good Wednesday race fans serious to nineteen exempt to a one sports on nine sixty four listening to Sirius X._M.. Online on the APP CETERA and at our website to the DOT com a damp morning did not go to the track at given the weather situation and also really with the lineup and with del Mar opening day and a few other things that are transpiring that will address didn't make much sense. There wasn't going to be anything added by being over at the track so we'll save it for next week. Because of course tomorrow and Friday will come to you from Monmouth Park Ocean Port Fast Times on the Jersey shore while of that for Haskell Day and I guess we could fold this in immediately the we we got a damp morning the weather the rain has stopped but some thunderstorms probably this afternoon. We'll see how it plays. Naira is holding the M._T._o.'s and there's a lot of them should decisions be made in later <hes> to take anything off the grass. There's there's a good number of of M._T._O.'s particularly in the in the sixth and the seventh looks like the early part of the card should be all right but mid afternoon they're talking some thunderstorms and then notably for the weekend concern starting to mount about extreme temperatures about heat and Tina and I are headed down to the shore and they're talking mid nineties there and then I was shocked when I was asked this morning about Saratoga certainly didn't expect Saratoga have a forecast for higher temperatures than then ocean port at the same time you get the the breeze but they're talking ninety seven degrees on Saturday in Saratoga area so they'll they'll be some monitoring <hes> regarding temperature and ninety five really not much of a difference ocean port up to the SPA so we'll we'll watch for that <hes> the the heat index and all that stuff we'll get as we get closer. We'll see what the decision process how it shaping up meanwhile today Delmar kicks off their summer and certainly the southern California racing interests stakeholders connections worse players. I think everybody just delighted to get going at del Mar.. We'll talk to Jay Brennan. I this morning and later we'll touch base with hammer. Gerry young plenty of del Mar discussion. I also GONNA touch base with ask her daily Tori who we talked to Ecorse ahead of the backstretch employees rally at Santa Anita and going to get an update from Oscar. He's got some a couple of things to discuss about the del Mar and down by Saint Louis Ray so <hes> Oscar will slip in and we've had a couple of I think important discussions already this week between Michael Dixon yesterday and that was really well received as was doug. O'Neill's visit on Monday and Don. I talked yesterday passed if there's room for Oscar and certainly certainly there is so del Mar about half or more of this morning's discussion Eric Johnson is GonNa join us as well and Eric of course you'll become a an an active and eager and fairly gleeful part of the ownership ranks and N._H._l.. Star and he loves coming to the Racetrack Saratoga last week it of course on the Schuylerville winner and part of the celebration and now he's turning his attention to some horses that he's going to be involved with del Mar and then because the hockey season hockey season these days is about ten and a half months it seems right probably getting ready to go back to the training camp too so Eric Johnson looking forward to it and seth Merrill later as well. There's also Bill Gallo <hes> for the jump seen as the National Steeplechase Association kicks off their calendar here at Saratoga today in the first twelve fifty the post this is more or less a non winter's too but some fairly experienced horses and a good group Group of eight and we'll see his any changes will catch up with Bill Gallo. We'll kick off the the SPA hopper season. We're also GONNA talk to Marcus Hirsch and not Arlington fairgrounds anything like that though L. fairgrounds related the news came late yesterday afternoon that Bob Fordis- had passed and and it's a tragic and really unfair scenario that that took Bob and Markle we'll talk about working with him and becoming friendly with him. <hes> I expect the Gary West. One of his closest friends co wrote the wonderful Jock Book that that Ford is obsessed over you heard Bob on the show many times times as the book was being prepared and as the various elements of its composition you know it changed as he approached it but his career as a turf writer just a an exemplary journalist with exacting standards and end the type that would pour over his writing and wordsmith than you might recall conversations we had that and I'm sure I'm sure Gary West. They'll reflect on it. How how often he would he was going back and back and back and as he wrote chapter after chapter and he created he created the book more or less about every moment in a jockey's Day? Ah or you know all the parts that the working parts of of a of the jockey experience the preparation and then the actual race running and you know just everything that went into it and Gerry West Edited Forum and I just I just remember how how he kept how Bob kept talking <hes>. Oh it's it's getting closer. It's getting closer. I just want to fix this. I want to fix that and you know he would send chapters and sections and we would talk about them and then of course the book has raised money for the P._d.. J. F. Right to win by the way the title and an inside look at the jockeys craft and it's it's so worth your your interest <hes> not sure many of you have it you know given how often we discussed the book and I didn't get to see Bob on this last trip down you know he he had had had surgery a couple years ago that took a a tumor from his spine and it it it caused some infirmity and you know it was tough it was you know it was a health both issue certainly but what would really hastened his passing was being hit by a car this spring and it took <hes> really the after effect is what took Bob Rob Ford us from. Everybody and there has his high standards and his his dedication he was one of those guys. I'm sure tomorrow Steve Askin. We'll talk about him as well. He's one of those guys Gary West had a great quote. You know saying any number of times he would wake up. <hes> you know maybe covering Derby or whatever you know any any time you were going to be out at the racetrack doc <hes> covering something with Fordis- you'd wake up and you'd want to roll over and maybe sleep another hour but then you you'd you'd realize Bob's going to be out there. I better get out there he he he had a very interesting way about him too. I mean he was someone that at first I just at first glance seemed a little you know little gruff but he wasn't at all aw at all of the exact opposite actually and what you got to know him it was it was really a pleasure and very very thoughtful <hes> hey you know he he held the doctorate and University of Michigan he was a he ran a track runner and a distance runner and uh I tim late and probably would be would be somebody that was friendly and got to know Bob Fordis- but it's been a very difficult a few months down in New Orleans. They've lost <hes> they've lost some real icons marcus rep on that <hes> I suppose when he joins us later in the hour so <hes> deepest sympathy has longtime companion cherish and all of us that any the anybody that knew him in person or knew him through his work will miss him and appreciate what he what he brought to turf riding he he absolutely was in awe of the equine athlete and celebrated them <hes> constantly up for us very very unfair to be to be taken sixty nine years old so you'll hear a couple of days. You'll hear more about and certainly anybody. That was a times picayune reader. I'm sure when I talked to stall and Thomas. Certainly Tom Amos who you know who's brother on the on the on the Times Picayune staff <hes> doesn't editor so I'm really saddened by simultaneously we're excited about getting del Mar started of course the ocean side today and a fairly fairly typical del Mar Card to start the seasons of nicer my size field too and David Jerkins will do. I'm sure everything again he'll pull every possible rabbit out of hats to to keep these fields full now in addition to the feature the ocean side will go off as the Eighth Race Twelve Horse Field John Sadler with the the favourite Jessica the irish-bred and couple of others a couple of names in here that actually usually when we get to this race you're familiar with a lot of. Three year olds this is this is a little bit more obscure <hes> and there's a couple of a couple of jump up candidates in here today in the Ocean Seidel. Go is the eighth so late pick three the late. Pick four starts with a maintenance special for cow breads ten Horsfield first level allowance as the night and then it ends with another maiden special weight the cow breads on the front end of the pick for our two year olds the the older horses three and up's going a mile on the turf to close out the card pick six starts with a turf sprint five furlong turf sprint some smaller fields on the front half of the card but overall pretty good and <hes> Thursday Thursday's well gotta look at it and as we hit it with with Doug O'Neill right so the we'll get started with jape ribbon now J. Shape Ribbon jape ribbon as I said no break and I will go right because there's there's. There's too much to do this morning and I'm just hearing from Bill Gallo. We'll we'll get to bill a close to eleven. This morning wasn't sure about your usually they meet with the with the jocks going into the jump race. I wasn't sure what time he was GonNa meet so we'll talk to Habil around eleven the Saratoga card without talking about the details and worrying about the the wet potentially wet weather. I'll mention the feature and another sad element <hes> today the rick violate the renamed Rockville Centre <hes> The New York breads today six furlongs five field and it's it's competitive fibers field but rick violet. You'll see if you're watching today will be honored undoubtedly and the he h the New York New York thoroughbred wordsmiths association and all the trainers will be out in full force daughter Rick Violence Memory J. prevent joining us and it's opening day at del Mar home game and I don't I think I hope you don't have any weather worries out there to you. We better not you know it's very nice day here. At typical kind of summer weather lately seed and good morning with sort of overcast skies minute burns off at my afternoon so that's what we get to their. That'll be perfectly fine absolutely and <hes> as we've said really for about a week leading into this opening day the eagerness eagerness Jay to get some momentum and get some normalcy the last three weeks low sow certainly helped <hes> to an extent <hes> but you know with the turf racing coming back and everything saying that his del Mar I imagine that everybody's pretty excited about this afternoon. Talk to the worse than when they were arriving here and talked to horst players as well and just kind of wants hopefully a fresh start on this on the circuit and hit the reset button and try and move forward. It's been obviously a tumultuous first six months of the year on the circuit <hes> but hopefully things will <hes> will be a good racing this summer and and then we'll have an enjoyable meat but another stole some pretty significant headwinds here so it's it's not all roses and Camby. That's that's certainly true who let's <hes>. Let's get some of the hard news out of the way first before we talk about some of the things we enjoy talking about and <hes> Jay I find it very difficult on a daily basis <hes> when anything west coast related he comes up and it's not even limited to west coast <hes> given what happened with Nyra as well the Jerry Hall Indoor for Sys- situation <hes> continues to cast a shadow and I talked to you already about it <hes> after you got back from vacation but <hes> any further developments behind the scenes while the latest since we spoke last week is that on Monday Colin gophers legal team <hes> AH in conjunction with the California thoroughbred trainers the organization that represents trainers out here and that actually had a change in management <hes> since you and I spoke <hes> Owen hardy taken over for Jim Cassidy following an election they filed a suit in San Diego County Superior Court on Monday after saying that they don't believe that the protocol has been followed in an appropriate manner based on the language of the horsemen's contract that is signed with del Mar for the race season in regards to how Hollander situation as you all <hes> and so that that means that there will be you'll pending some sort of a resolution or temporary restraining order <hes> a you know there's a lawsuit now on the books <hes> with Hollander for in the versus <hes> Del Mar thoroughbred club so that's the latest news as of now the the N. what was in effect and there's still a threat <hes> and may continue to attack it. Just all depends on how things play out but the current policy is that Holland or for cannot run horses here <hes> E- caused a licensed trainer he also had to end the rules in California afforded that if you are a licensed trainer another trainer can't run horses for you so all so for the training standpoint all forces who run a del Mar <hes> with Dan Ward Hollander refers his assistant <hes> and any horse that Holland or for hat and ownership and that's a significant number of forces as he is we talked about the past has to get the skin in the game from the standpoint of <hes> when he buys a claim sources he often takes percentages of them. <hes> the rules are that you can't have a horse run for with another trainer trading it. If you're also a licensed the trainers wealth all those horses had either have their percentages sold or leased to someone if they're gonNA run during the del Mar meeting so that's where things stand as of now and it's obviously going to continue to be a a an updated situation depending on what transpires with this lawsuit which you know I mean a judge could rule for Holland we could say no you have no standing here and the Dumbarton there right <hes> or maybe both sides mediate things in. I am not going to speculate on what will happen. I'm just saying those are the possibilities of what can happen and so we'll just continue to just report the facts as we know them and then go forward exactly and <hes> the the C._d.. News <hes> was not unexpected <hes> last week we had mentioned that there had been a number of trainers that <hes> were unhappy with the way things were handled throughout the winter and <hes> so I appreciate appreciate the update and <hes> Steve Anderson reported on the on the suit yesterday so we'll we'll see what <hes> what the courts do and it's of course it's grossly unfair that this ends up landing in del Mar's lap J. They did you know they this was foisted upon them by what transpired at Arcadia so <hes> just just remarkable the constant ripples of the Santa Anita season. Let's turn toward some of the things that are the tradition including the clip and save column the two year olds. Nothing like two year olds at del Mar a lot of them will be the stars of tomorrow. We know a lot of the barnes that these two year olds are yeah typically in the give us a taste of what's to come in the two year old front while I shock everybody but her usual with two year olds at del Mar that the beginning point is is Baffert Baffert y'all he's always strong to begin with <hes> but last fall is a road of the story the couple of the principles that were involved in justify starlight racing in a separate thing they decided they wanted to join forces by a couple of dozen yearlings and send them to Baffert to open a West Coast Division so the the ripple effect you're talking about a ripple effect of ripple effective justified actually carrying over now a year plus from the brief but brilliant career to have a pretty significant impact on this del Mar need meet and in terms of the two year olds and so that <hes> that was in addition to that all the runners that usually have so he he's just very strong for usable <hes> ah there are other barnes here who have some very promising runners. It's not certainly the numbers that he has but there. There were several trainers who were telling me that because the two year old sales were going on. There's some trepidation about buying them or maybe they got him filled a little bit later. When it was like borders we're starting to calm just a little bit <hes> so the numbers are down a little bit out here in just in terms of overall numbers on the on the circuit on the backstretch here but like I was saying baffert dot stronger hand in even usually has so that's? I think it'd be something to watch here. As the season unfolds Simon Callaghan Hannah's tonight sources you know the story that I ride. I try and focus on courses. You haven't run yet. There's obviously horses run already that are very promising including exciting Callahan the Philly Amalfi Sunrise who was a very impressive maiden winner Santa Anita and is heading to the Sorrento next <hes> can obvious and of course you've mentioned in the story but I try and focus more todd courses that people never heard of yet because that's just I think of a more helpful way to to do this. I'm not trying to tell you hopefully something that you already know but I want to acknowledge college those horses but by and large this is to say hey here's some horses that you want to keep an eye on and the other impacts feeds talking <hes> about what's going on on the circuit and you're representing Jerry Hall nor for his he had some two year olds that <hes> we're ticketed to him that have moved other Barnes and <hes> what what ward has he's got a couple of phillies that look like they are very promising but their numbers are down from what that Barnard had in previous years and obviously last year they had quite a bit of success here with relating instagram around so <hes> that I think could be another factor what goes on here this season no doubt and looking at just sort of scanning the peace beyond the baffled <hes> name and you you you cited Simon Callaghan who's really become Scott to become a reliable font right for the for baby action won the debutante the last two years so you be seeking his third straight eight. He's got a nice cold as well. Schrodinger Justin Philip Cole to one debut Awasa does and he'll head to the best pal and at the moment he looks like the best colt out out here who's raised <hes> but you know we'll see what transpires is. The meat goes on here. Obviously this is the time of year when similar Saratoga trainer's out here really WANNA WANNA shine with with their two year old to make an impact action. I think very similar to Saratoga people would much rather win a race at del Monte than anywhere else and then this is the place where you like to unveil its horses in forward in their training. You want to go on with them here. <hes> there's you're not gonNA force feed things and Baffert was even telling me in in the case of some of his sources some are going to be later in the meat or or maybe not so the fall at <hes> at Santa Anita the ones that won't run until the fall down. I don't even include this piece because it's just not Germane to what we're trying to do in the story which is just a look at what might transpire here over the next seven weeks. I'm glad you mentioned <hes> Schrodinger the Justin Phillip the back story on that came up when when we were at at O. B. S. March because that's a that's a cold air and you go to pin hooked. It was a big. Acceler five five five five and a quarter five fifty and a lot of exactly and in fact Aaron in Aaron's got underway today in the Knight's Ninth Guy that got a nice shot a price but when you mentioned Justin Phillip I I knew that Simon Callaghan was handling for Kaleem shop. So that's exactly you that is Jay. How about some of the some of the offbeat horsemen c'mon you know there's always there's always some pop ups and smaller outfits that you know get their hands on on a on a good baby and those are the ones that you know that aren't as well bet as the high profile fits yeah? I don't know <hes> were used the same adjective you did but terms of other trainers that look like they've got some potential you know I I don't know that I'd call these smaller door offbeat traders but <hes> no for instance Michael McCarthy's barn is continuing to grow he in fact just recently added Sean McCarthy no relation as assistant a very well respected trainer out here <hes> moved into an assistance role what kind of analogous to what went on with the with David Carroll who now works for Marquette and <hes> Michael McCarthy's done very well during his career with offspring of quality road <hes> like city of light and the women and he's got a few quality road runners <hes> Colt and a couple of phillies look like they could do <hes> I know that <hes> <hes> five corners got a colt who is supposed to run this weekend named disco ball or Colt to their they like a lot <hes> and and overnight lost out does a affiliate competitive edge philly that Mike Pipe trains thirty seven trout's <hes> that has been working pretty quickly over there so those are like she. She's a COUCHVILLE. Those are a couple of ones where maybe slightly smaller barnes yards that might be worth looking out for Neil Drysdale actually has a couple of two year olds that may including couple he bought overseas that are pretty forward and should run before the middle part of the meat <hes> so the they're they're worth looking at <hes> as well so I would just encourage everybody who <hes> you know has access to the to the form either by today's paper or get a subscription and then read the online story and just save it for the for the season 'cause they're some of these sources are going to be running as soon as this weekend <hes> then you'll wanna be dialed in on that absolutely and speaking of <hes> this weekend or the action right away and that includes pollutes the prep for the Pacific classic when it comes to the San Diego some ideas about some of the bigger names and some of the bigger highlights J. as the summer unfolds well the you've got Catalina Cruiser for the San Diego <hes> and Saturdays at a terrific season last summer with Catalina cruiser accelerate and like we're talking last week looks like he's sitting on a potentially good meat as well <hes> cabin cruiser and he's got gift boxes disappointed a little bit I thought coming back on short rest and the Stephen Foster but I think he's a better than that and hopefully going out to a mile and a quarter and having a little more time between starts. We'll see best next month in the in the Pacific Classic <hes> so those you know that's I think one of the things to look forward to from from an older horse standpoint <hes> in the Pacific classic is obviously the highlight of the meet later on this summer <hes> one of the things I really think this could be ripe opportunity for a decent three year old. Maybe take older horses marriage doesn't happen very often but <hes> they have done well over the years in fact the very first one was won by Gusmao <hes> when he was three so it seems like a a year where if there was one that was going to be heading to Saratoga for the travers stick a shot near <hes> but we'll just have you know that's still weeks away. We'll see how that all that all unfold well then the grass racing. I think trainers were very eager to work on the grass. They're not allowed to Santa Anita. They try and protect the course that they're they're just there for so long <hes> <hes> and down I'm here with only rising for seven weeks. FAIL OUT <HES> DE LA brass works and on Monday. They were GONNA wind up like airplanes landed at J._F._k.. L._A._X.. And <hes> several dozen orces got out there and and turned in breezes <hes> so many of them will be running this weekend so it's <hes> including even on Friday one of the horses that work really well with one that for Neil Drysdale and she's in the oath Anita's. She's making her comeback in that race as Hanes couple of really nice now four year old phillies who are really good three year olds last year who've been off for a long time but are both using those Anita's their comeback raising little go on from there to well and speaking of three year olds that have been off for awhile updated everybody Monday Jay on Omaha Beach Talk about the Richard Mandela's plan and how quickly <hes> potential Angela for <hes> for the early season three year old favourite to emerge in an afternoon event well. He hasn't had a work then everything happened right before the Kentucky Derby <hes> when he had to have surgery trap gladys and then the recovery from that took a little bit longer than they had originally expected so he is back galloping at del Mar when I saw Richard the other morning. He said that he thought he would be back act breezing probably next week <hes> and then it'll just be how quickly he comes around as to whether or not you know as to when he races there's a three year old steak towards the end of the meat here shared belief that might be the kind of race that would suit him <hes> but it's all predicated on how quickly he comes around in his breezes <hes> but I know that the intention going in right now is is to get an start before the meets over and then and then move on and try and have a big fall season <hes> so that's that's where they're at but first things I gotta get back on a on a regular breeze pattern absolutely well I will look forward to it and and looking forward to the summer del Mar and got a couple of other things Jay WanNa touch on but always important give everybody that are going to get the del Mar maybe for the first time give him a pusher to <hes> for her dining experience and in and around the track now there's there's so many great places <hes> in the the best place to eat and also to see horsemen <hes> after the races the Pamphlet Apple Mousse Grill which is right across the street from the track on on the deal which is the track that runs east west and and by sex del Mar from Solana Beach <hes> so that would be right at the top of the list. A little east of the track is <hes> restaurant called market which is also a terrific terrific place <hes> there's a new steakhouse. That's opened a little south of <hes> dumbed down in Ed La Hoya Village U._T.. Area it's called University town centre to the mall. There called Marston stakeouts went to last week and thought was terrific so that would that would be a new one to put on my list and then more sort of casual Google type dining <hes> I love a sandwich place called board brew that has several local mini chain in San Diego. They've got like six or seven outlets. There's one in right in downtown. Darbar got great sandwiches and there's obviously number of terrific <hes> Mexican places from higher in sit down kind of places to just small TACO burrito shops I on partial in that latter category to Roberto's which is just up the street and Solana beach on Pacific Coast highway from Delmar so there's those those would be a few that I put an listen and of course I mean you can't come to without going to the Brigantine. GotTa get a fish top it wouldn't be or they're just sort of a right of passage. Absolutely I appreciate it. Thanks for thanks for the pushes and some of the new especially the fresher and and unfamiliar side of things. Let me <hes> Jay do two things before I ask you about Bob Ford is are we gonNa Talk Friday or the Aba Haskell any any haskell thoughts i. I think you got plenty of other people on your show later this way. It's really an interesting race. <hes> because maximum security didn't run as well as he we know he can and his last start and so there's just just a question over where he's at but I think if he runs his best race he is the best horse in that field <hes> and I'm just eager to see if he bounces back with his with his best performance you know <hes> king for the day is really come on <hes> these legitimately good and beat them on the square last time <hes> and I'll be interested in in seeing if he's continuing to to move forward <hes> Lucio Gustavo is is heading back from out here in Baffles and very well in the hassle over the years. I my only my biggest concern with mutual. Gupta was whether going out to a mile and an eighth is going to be ideal for him mm-hmm <hes> that might be stretching to the outer range of of what he wants to do but he's obviously very sharp form right now and if you have a horse that may eh middle distance type trying to stretch from a Mile Mile and a sixteenth two a mild day monmouth not a bad place to do it exactly at Bob's done it successfully with a couple of his haskell winners no he's had you know he's he's done very well in that race open a year so always always needs to be feared going back there but that's I mean that's a home game for maximum. Security's been based theories trains there <hes> I. I really think that it I'm really eager to see how he does this weekend. 'cause when he I just think he's the best of that group when he's at his best so and of course we've got <hes> the gym Danita follow for the Saratoga based and things really starting to to get down to the serious portion of the three year old year Jay before we go Marcus arcus hurts your colleague standing by and I wanted to give you a chance to say something about Bob. Ford is <hes> certainly all of us that ever had a chance to share the press boxes dances with him. <hes> just so greatly saddened and readers everywhere will miss him horribly. Yeah it was really hard to get here be because mean Bob that is Marcus and Gary West who were probably his two of his closest friends and the media <hes> racing media speak far more <hes> far more detail about you know what a wonderful person Bob is but I can't even target using the past tense but he <hes> what I like most about Bob I mean he was just it was very kind. Guy was extremely witty extremely intelligent but he loved the job he was an old school newspaper Guy who it'd be live walking distance from fairgrounds in the neighborhood there and was on the backside every morning when he worked for the Times Picayune had great respect among trainers and covered because the sport they're going back to the risen star days with just the great detail and and and great passion and he just absolutely loved it. He loved to play the horses. He wasn't a big better but he just like playing when he then he likes covering the sport and he was just fun to be around. He was very witty. Good every see me like one of the first things he'd say is our the kings back checking these days silly stuff like that <hes> and you know he was always really really healthy guy in terms of how aid he would run and to see what happened to him from a health standpoint over the last few years which is so grossly unfair and the way he handled things and he's still even this past season a when I went to the Louisiana Derby I was fortunate enough to be able to to to see him because he even in his condition of when he was recovering from it had surgery for for cancer you know spine nine and he but he would still walk the track and hang out in the horsemen's lounge and it was just great to visit with them and it wasn't long it was a day or two of when I saw him he gets hit by a car crossing the street and just everything regretfully cascaded from that never really recovered from the from that situation. It's just it's just so awful <hes> because he was just it was just a really good person and really witty. Whenever every went to New Orleans it could just he was the face of New Orleans racing journalism for three decades <hes> and it's it's just was just really a Gut Punch to to find out you know just the other day at that how bad off he was that he wasn't getting better and then and then to get the news yesterday of his passing which is like a really was? It was just really tough to take but I like I said I am. I'm glad you're going to get marcus right now. We'll we'll speak you know. They were very very close and you know does market covering the the beef for us down there in person on a daily basis for a number of years and then. And even on a regular basis after he and his family had to relocate to Chicago but still covering it and being down there quite often and they speak often anyway but he can tell you a lot a lot more a lot better than I will but it was just he's just between him and you know Ronnie Virgins to was a great New Orleans journalism character who passed recently. It's just been a real really sad time in that part of the part of the country from racing journalism standpoint no doubt I and J I appreciate it. We'll talk next week. <hes> enjoy the del Mar opening always a special day in the sport and thank you thank you very much diaw proven everybody and del Mar home game for j Marcus listening in and joining us now as as j referenced Marcus and Gary West Who <hes> we've reached out to as well and we'll have gary the next day or two <hes> talk about Bob Ford is but so sorry Marcus <hes> this is just as Jason. It's just unbelievably unfair. Thanks to their condolences <hes> yeah <hes> things pretty bad not just in case people wonder because Bob was not an old man. I actually don't know how old was he was sixty. Something closer closer to sixty than seventeen but he <hes> he was in he took great nerve himself. He was runner was a division one under he ran cross country and track at University of Michigan who is very talented two and a few years ago he started to have some health issues. I'm noticing it was discovered. He had this barge benign tumor in lower back causing all sorts of problems and that wasn't an easy thing <hes> that'd be removed and he is hopeless compromise but he was doing pretty well at <hes> and I thought you know being steady progress. I thought him having a pretty high quality of life and then he was walking back he was he he couldn't walk for a long time. If he was using Walker <hes> this past year and he would go <hes> we get a ride over to <hes> fairgrounds because he lived right around the corner on the track that he covered for years and years like three blocks away and he would fit in a horsemen's lounge where he was welcomed and <hes> to gambling watch the races and talk to people and Gamble but he was actually he started walking home and he was walking home. I believe that before Louisiana survey is here and he was struck by a car right next to it was a pretty catastrophic injury <hes> and he'd never community. He never really recovered from that leading on the brain. I mean the broken bones. We're GONNA bend but India complications from that we can at you know. He died yesterday morning <hes> his real thin with those rough day after he he was so much fun as Ajay reference that was fun to be around. He wasn't at at first glance mark is he didn't seem approachable. I can remember starting to get to know right I mean he he had a gruff looking at exterior but that was completely. You know just his his look if you if you are right I mean he didn't he was curmudgeon. Yes that's that's perfect. Perfect kind of rumpled could be he could be unapproachable. I mean he did not suffer fools kindly and could be it could be pretty Kurt people. He didn't he that didn't he didn't think deserves you know a lot of attention. I mean he didn't have a lot of thought as to him but that was his appeal to me and in the end if <hes> get to know him he <hes> well. I think hurt he was a good person. You he took ethical behavior in his job in racing and in life generally very seriously <hes> unconsciously so so I I mean whatever sort would've emotive attributes one doesn't have is that is something that you tend to do in sixteen to do to a certain extent and I think that probably lead a pretty good life his his nature and I think he's exacting kind of standards on full display as he wrote the book a ride to win and with his entry mate the Gary West editing as as they went and that was that was the funniest project ever Marcus I because we pretty much we must have had a half a dozen visits between the two of them talking about the book and because the whole focus of the book changed as Bob Approached it he realized there was a story to tell about you know the day of jocks existence and he he ended up in creating the sort of time line of jocks day in ride to win and we'd together dozens and dozens of of writer interviews and so he was telling their story as well as telling you know the the the highly detailed look at at the craft and the book is the I mean I read it when it came out years ago now three or four knots bobby five six years ago but no yeah he took great pride in in in the way it came together well. The ironic thing is about that project which will among his many <hes> reporting projects make sure it's a place in racing history at least keep the heads in the last few decades live but the thing is that handicapper rapper better and those two of the main racing he but he had no use for jockey considerations did not care who is riding horses not at all euro his year wasn't it he his as he expounded me was every jockey ends up on either at because that's where it and so they're gonNa get on my mountain dew in their bad loss bag decisions which happens wants everyone all the time it'd be tough enough to win the race so why even think about it and <hes> and <hes> I think there's a lot of merit that I mean 'cause he had other ways of looking at raises and that this it's not something that needed a complicated but anyway that that the reporting five Gabbard bid ended up date hockey's like jockey respect Docu because he definitely did he got close to I mean I know he had pretty close relationships. In new jockeys really well like I know which you made little mention on twitter about his you know his niece Hari about hearing about Bobby Bobby Twenty years and years ago when Richard was a young writer Meta Material Toga you know they were very close from Louisiana over the years <hes> because he was Louisiana he was Louisiana the editor fighter. I don't mean he covered it for a really long time. In New Orleans Vicki and went to all the triple crown races year after year all the breeders cups <hes> used to go to other big races to when <hes> newspapers sent reporters to cover things that were meaningful in the racing world in those days are other raise. <hes> good has been good friends for a long time with Louis was owner and trainer versions target was along to that whole ride that was one of the most exciting point in his career and worth pointing out that this career as a writer of racing and a handicapper from college had a degree in math and he was working statistics professor at Tulane University. He's like I don't want to do as he wants and got a job in Orleans time sticky because he he wanted to get into race they even while he's deter fighter and covering racing he was he worked on the copy that for years he was one of their copy editor. I know that taught a lot of people out of the death clot about writing <music> sports any kind of sports and Bob was not he was not a features writer kind of writer he was a dotted alternator and traction and it's important in any kind of journalistic environment I've been to I learned how to say things clearly concisely to get rid of all of the House and to get rid of all your pretension and Bob that Bob Road and that's how he taught other people to work and whatever people style ended up being figuring that up I I think confessional at South what he was back at WHO's talking to everybody making sure that he had all sides of a story then he understood from multiple perspectives what was happening at the center of the story and then expressing it in simple lear understandable language any reader could pick up and appreciate nicely nicely put <hes> and and I'm glad you you talked about his mathematics wchs statistics background because I it's funny that somebody and there's a and we talk about this all the time in general terms about the kinds of people that are attracted to the game marcus that Dan have whether it's people coming from Wall Street you know that that you know that have the puzzle solving skills or or you know have a mathematic kind of inclination and it's so funny because what's more inexact than than the game than than this than this sport where you can take all the numbers you can distill them all you want and then the gates open and it's mayhem yeah I mean bob kind of the perfect person for that because of his the bed by and he loved athletic competitions of all sorts I mean that's what it was for him. He sources badly as a person who ran rick who was fastest with what it was all about I I I have to mention you know having the opportunity that like the notorious gang came up the way before content and stuff like that but I've been around a lot of people betting on horses and Bob was the best better I've ever seen. I've I've never seen anyone who could take a little bit of money. He never played he never made big that but I've never seen someone who could make small bet into big money consistently. I really think that if you the time and I want to win the pressure but he could have he could have made a living betting horses any day. 'cause I mean an amazingly consistent winter <hes> and he he loved racing he loved he loved Andy Capping and he practices and he got really good at it and you know he had a lot a lot of attributes that you would like to see more of <hes> around horse racing and it's unfortunate. He won't be part of it anymore and there probably are going to be too. Many people like him. You know again in the future I mentioned Marcus what a what a bad just gosh ninety days give or take <hes> in New Orleans in terms of losing losing Bob Losing Ronnie for jets dookie chase. I mean there's a number of real institutions in in the town here to last two three months. Unfortunately the way <hes> this was a tough one for me personally and I I hope that <hes> people who knew of people will be really big on these little might not even know him can appreciate in life in general when general appreciate his his place he meant some Latin him smell very nice I and Marcus I know not easy but I greatly appreciate it and I know listeners do imagine that all of us from a turf writers standpoint the turf writers broadcasters that <hes> they'll be an appropriate <hes> tribute <hes> it is easy for me to talk about it Steve. I want to thank you the chance to it so it's good to have a platform to rub. Everyone agrees <music> but I do think it's great that you in the opportunity. Just let people know about the whole situation no not at all that's one of the one of the abortion obligations of the show and <hes> from every standpoint from the horsemen the horses we haven't and even a chance to talk about passing as well when <hes> you know I it everybody that contributes to the to the game at large and the. The Passion that <hes> that Bob brought to it <hes> enriched everybody's life that you know that that was interested in red him and Newman all and <hes> racing better for Bob Focuses attention on no no doubt about that Marcus. Thank you thank you. Let's take a break. 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It's the surf their Bingo Hoffer and I. I'm sure there's a few other people out there. That'll be a del Mar today that we're able to take in opening day Thursday at Saratoga and get out to uh San Diego and get to del Mar today Eric Johnson one of them and of course opening day success at Saratoga with comical. We talked that Doug O'Neil on Monday and a absolute pleasure to get <hes> Eric Johnson on here on Del Mar opening day morning and you're out there ready for another big couple of days of Racing Eric Morning Steve that week <hes> Christmas easy coming down a lot of fun so well and you certainly we started the summer with a Bang I mean to win the Schuylerville with comical and Doug Doug and I talked about about her win and about you know this smashing start of her career and you're going to have plenty of of action action these next few days but let's let's get some back story in first. When did you get interested in the game for years ago? I've always been interested in horse racing. The Minnesota probably five or six miles from category parts and <hes> I was in an active. You know anything like that. I I like going but I didn't know much about the game. <hes> wasn't wasn't very experienced. <hes> always had an interest in it and I think for the average person in America e Kinda think it's the triple crown as racing goes away <hes> but you know raking so much more than that it's it's John such a huge level and <hes> I slowly got into. I got older <hes> my uncle live in San Diego every summer mega triple here at them and we'd always go to Delmar so <hes> when I was fifteen or sixteen I remember coming in and being fascinated you could put a dollar show bet on a horse and win money. I thought that was amazing. You could take instead and like a couple of boxes of sixteen year old <hes> <hes> that <hes> as I got a little bit older <hes> twenty that just started doing some research and got hooked up with <hes> The O.`Neil bar and dog and Bennis so then great resource for me to getting getting involved in the game they made a lot of fun for me and <hes> Colorado them as well so those guys kind of got my foot in the door and <hes> you know fully immersed myself after that and just trying to expose as many people gospel. It's a wonderful well and you you really have had a lot of fun and are willing to partner up. I mean you've you've got literally dozens of of different the different groups that that you've tied into you know including with Nick and slam dunk and the gob eighteen and you mentioned Paul Rhythm and you know you're you're willing to chip in and we're seeing more and more of this <hes> and it's actually a great way to basically more more or less. Reduce your risk but you're doing some breeding too. I mean you you. You're really all in. I love it in. It'll go up on the stones or those kind of people in the spring and you kind of meetings you gotta get ready to track on the full cycle that comes around but like you mentioned with part of it somewhat hard when we know partnerships. It's not <hes> you know the the Pentagon right. Now I think more and more people are spending down and partnering the people and it's it's it's a lot of fun and we had such a good time with the whole group <hes> Big Kenny and solve them and <hes> you know it's just a lot of fundamental studies and <hes> just makes make the game a whole lot more join your legal <hes> every aspect of the game I love. I think it's <hes> it's a magical game. It's it's almost like a reality horse race and it's just it's some of the world and <hes> it's a it's a it's a wonderful four hundred and try and like I mentioned expose people four or five of my closest high school friends that <hes> always results between attorney and they make it a staple down my every year now so they got in last yeah. Well you know you you talk about <hes> you mentioned Mr read them and I knowing how big of a hockey fan and he is I I I'm curious was who was more excited to meet whom him meeting you or you meeting in all in all. I don't think you turn on me for the Red Wings. Maybe that's it ah that's good and of course a an absolute red wing maniac <hes> Paul read them and for you spreading the risk obviously because I don't know how often do we see. I can't even think of the last time I saw the E.. R. J. Racing as a standalone yeah not very often I have one in today <hes> with Andrew Learner <hes> calculate that I only had like to spread it out and <hes> you don't get trained that way. It's tough going it all by yourself and you can more workers. <hes> that's just that's kind of what people are doing now and <hes> with all the Greg syndicates like you mentioned previously <hes> and guys like Shaw across the country like the by the proven race ordinances that <hes> it just makes a little bit better than easy and not everyone is a billionaire millionaire Madison. Just it affords people the opportunity that maybe wouldn't be able to get into that game chance to add <hes> like I mentioned it's it's party up with your friends and your buddies and it just makes you experience a lot more. Ah Thinking about you I mean aside from aside from having the spendable income as a professional hockey player I mean that's that's part of it but you know you're you're what thirty early thirties thirty you want thirty one and you know the fact that you know that obviously high profile and we always say the industry is always looking to showcase the the kinds of people that that will then draw in you know others and we've we've used the the ambassador concept of the Breeders Cup does that <hes> with athletes in the celebrity chefs and and actors and actresses et Cetera had the sense that that you've kindled interest in the game from from people that otherwise haven't really taken notice and I know hockey players players seem to love in general seem to love horse racing but I mean you know other people that <hes> that might be fans and just walk all walks of life. Generally I think yeah I think that's that's duty in horse race he has I think the sport needs positive exposure and you know the way the situation going in California right now that that positive influence if I'm not doing that I think the game and I love horse racing. I mean I'm I'm not a superstar anything like that but <hes> you know the athletes you have connections with other athletes and <hes> you know you can try and expose in a different way possible. I named a couple of asking my teammates to get them involved and <hes> I think with the Breeders Cup does is great with vassar program. I think it gets people involved across all platforms for like you mentioned after actresses celebrities these <hes> athletes and everything like that but <hes> as a as an athlete I think you know the game deserves that exposure I try to media and <hes> talk to other people about it but <hes> <hes> as a person with some influence I think you try and expose people to the game get involved and I mean if there's an awfully bringing four four four or five guys racetrack if it's nearby out so tried peeps in interest in some of my teammates involved in being the old guy on the team you know T._v.'s allowed all the time I love it. That's tremendous you mentioned the breathing part. We know that you like the bet needed is there is there one part of the race day and and the race experience that you know that you particularly enjoy more than another I think probably <hes> I think if you win erase the feeling when you go to the winter circle and you get to congratulate your groom and Training Exercise Rider at Saratoga dog or Leandra weren't there fortunately but the team there those guys worked so hard. You don't really they don't get the limelight so I congratulate those guys. I think it's a really good deal. I think those split a lot of hard hours the writers and the assistant so just that feeling has he would say on their face after a big win is a lot aww fun and if you get that feeling that you get when you're horse crossed the winter I and a big race like that. If you could bottle that up I mean that's just never wants experience our game and <hes> you know I I had I had wanted Saratoga before but <hes> you kind of have that. Feeling bottle it up. I mean that's that's <hes>. That's what everyone watches <hes>. It's an amazing feeling just that that feeling you get when you try and explain it. It's it's like watching Ted scoring game winning goal an older time and one of its Chris coons or something like that I try to explain evil. I don't know horse racing so tally your horse and you know how much effort it takes to get them there and <hes> it's just <hes> it's a magical feeling and that's that's probably the trend that everyone and they get into the game and I'm going to try to associate you know your career and your your approach to your career equate it you know to waiting into ownership and breeding and you know the various aspects of of being involved in the sport at a high level because fairly famously you you kind kind of took your time <hes> you could've you could've gone straight to the N._H._l.. And he ended up going to the University of Minnesota even after being drafted. I almost like you felt you needed that year at least that year in college too too. I suppose provide you with a base. What was your thinking going back to the beginning of your career? Yes I think that's that's a good point. <hes> depending tied into horses into I'm not very patient as a as a person and in horse racing it sure teaches you patience doesn't it so that was kind of the case. When I was eighteen I had a chance to turn parole right out of high school or go to college and get the time for your foundation and <hes> you know get some miles under you per se and <hes> that's Kinda how I like horse racing a little bit not going to be ready to run you know as a two year old they might need time nearly three year old but you get rewarded for being patient and letting them develop and <hes> that can be kind of the case with athletes to <hes> every athlete and every sport is battling some type of little nagging injury or you know maybe mentally they're? They're not in the apartment at the moment and I mean these are believable athletes to a town of in the same ballpark <hes> they might not have their best game day and you just don't know that's <hes> that's Kinda how I felt as <hes> as a young kid. You know you need a little bit of time to mature before you take the next step and it's very similar to horse racing. How did you growing up who did you? Who did you root for and of course the North Stars were gone? I'll really date myself and say the fighting saints were long gone it really well. I listen I saw I we saw him in Hartford the whalers Johnny Pipe Mackenzie and they were bill butters. They were a nasty bunch. You were yeah you're a little kid but <hes> the the fighting saints were tough that they were well-named. I don't remember them too much but I mean like that to the North Stars Oregon Minnesota at the time but <hes> I was a the big <hes> Vancouver I love tunnel the Russian rocket. He's my favorite player when I was a kid <hes> but <hes> I was I was a gopher fan so to fulfill that dream and <hes> the able to to <hes> play for them as a as a kid was awesome and <hes> you know going Minnesota you play hockey for the gophers for any amount of time was <hes> you know basically my lifetime goal at the time and <hes> it was amazing well and you've been you've been a reliable resource for American hockey when it comes to international play including including winning championships yeah I mean I think represent your country. Probably the highest you can you can achieve in sport and <hes> you know a couple world years and things like that and plan at the Olympics and twenty ten and I'm sure you remember that losing we locked the Canada and overtime and then the gold metal game <hes> and man that would still stings read them so this crap about it too of course but <hes> not to have the Olympic silver medal means a lot and <hes> you know international players is <hes> part of being an athlete and what you strive to achieve for as well and <hes> you know like lucky to represent my country on different levels and just blessed to be able to do that to you. I gotta the gotTa ask about about a Stanley Cup and what the you know what the opportunity is and and how do you how do you over the second half year of your career. How do you find yourself getting your name engraved on the trophy? I mean that's a dream of on every day I mean that's what you get up and put the hour and every morning Steve and <hes> I think <hes> we have three the best players in the wildland Scott gramling and the kid and I ah named after them too so that doesn't hurt and <hes> I think we're just a team on the up and up and as an older guy now. I hope I can be around for the next four years. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA be really good team and <hes> just excited for the you're so <hes> lots of look forward to well then in other words. You're going to stick <hes> stick it out and try to bring another cut back to Colorado Ebb and then here again. I'm going to tell you that I kinda liked would have liked to seen that first cup that they earned would like to have seen that in the Cali. Say See the nordiques that that it was a bitter irony that was I mean that was unbelievable that the right after they move they win one in Colorado knowing what it would mean in Quebec City you know to all absolutely that'd be a heartbreaker Fisher move to funny. I equate the two sports while we're while we're on the hockey side of things Eric Eric Johnson with us from the avalanche and of course <hes> his E. R. J. Racing endeavors the the sport more and more and in this era is certainly a niche sport and so as you know so is professional hockey right a wild eyed and rabid following that you know that assures <hes> just assures it's it's ongoing success but it the appeal seems limited in hockey to some degree in terms of bringing in the quote unquote new fans <hes> and I suppose I suppose you're in tune with with how much you know junior play there is and how much the game is still drawing. You know youth hockey participation so I mean that is a feeder more or less to help the the interest in hockey but do you sense any lessons to be be drawn for racing yeah from the way Gary Bettman and and the N._H._l.. has has been able to sustain itself. I I think a little bit just kind of comparing the two sports I think hockey got in <hes> kind of a bit of trouble with with with promoting all the fighting and with the head injury <hes> that kind of came out and I think they did a really good job getting ahead of it and try to be proactive and assuring that the athletes are taking care of and provided provided for with the best care possible and I think in a way I think he's trying to do that right now. With of course the tragic rash of of breakdowns at that we know have happened and <hes> I think they're doing. They're getting out ahead of it right now and I think I think it's a it's a room puppy subject and difficult time and I think with all the protocols being adapted and how initiative there being I think they're trying to show that the public how how much it means and it does mean a lot to everybody that the athlete does come first and the reason we're before and I think they're taking the necessary steps to make sure that those athletes are taken care pair of better than anything and the public needs to know that and I think there's a bad perception of the sport right now and people really don't understand how the taken care of and I think in a way that was how hockey was at one point two with all the fighting and the head injuries and everything like that and I think when you get the public aware of what is actually happening and they see the good in the game which they're so much good. It's an amazing game hockey and north racing but when you when you try and when you change the perception and you get out there ahead of it I think it makes a big difference and I think a lot of people in horse racing. They're trying to do that right now and and just trying to educate the public about how well horses are taking care of how hard people were how many jobs are provided in horse racing and <hes> I think they're doing a great job of that right now and it's important for the future of our sport and <hes> this time compared to a little bit I think they're in similar situations at that point so I think <hes> get the public's point wanted you change and and see all the good and horse racing what's going on in our sport. <hes> I think is good for the future no well well put and <hes> the kind of the major elements that you're right that every I mean every not just every sport but every industry will have moments of <hes> of indecision and of an of crisis of one degree or another and in learning learning from it and and going forward. That's the key and <hes> we I think those of us that are closest to it. We all know what the what the real story is and trying to get it out of versus an avalanche of of negativity <hes> and a lot of negativity comes from within. I say this all the time eh any day. Let's say there's one hundred horses entered in a race card. You're going to get to the end of the day and there's going to be nine winners and ninety one losers and so there's always people that are frustrated at a horse place standpoint. You know the same the same percentages apply. There's only a certain percentage that are are going to you win and and you know everybody gets frustrated but when it comes to answering external criticisms we need to have a unified voice. I mean it's tough to the unified well within our own confined. Let alone you know presenting a unified voice to the to the outside world as it were give us a couple of horses coming up over the next couple of days to root four and maybe bet on give everybody because you you you've been known to put some money through the through the wicked Oh yeah that's the support that neutrals right I'd say of course as you got person. I like <hes> on the <hes> Nice calibrate Philly. That's pretty good first time out answers <hes> I think it up and coming star <hes> thoroughbred world as far as trade's office job. I want one today a little bit the six I think she's missile. He's been working in and he likes a lot. <hes> the other billion her sorry colts <hes> we have a palace malice coldstream really really well probably the N._F._l.. Martin Daddy I learned it but that's the IT needs. Call Me Daddy <hes> and then <hes> what's the other horse. I like a little bit. <hes> we have convinced today to Doug <hes> I think it's in the third turf sprint. She's twelve to one return grass. I think for the first time but she's trying to really really well and <hes> she could. She could hit the board of the price. I think so lots of fun today see really excited to be a del Mar.. It's <hes> it's a it's a great time of year so <hes> looking forward to it well. We hope <HES> WE'RE GONNA get you back for. Maybe for the spin away although Doug's got the debutante but <hes> there's certainly there's certainly opportunity with some of your <hes> East Coast based horses. This is in we hope <HES> WE'RE GONNA see back Saratoga before Labor Day. I'd love that thank you so much. I listen to show up to have a coffee <hes> and then go to the rink and and listened to you everyday do a great job and <hes> uh provide great info for the whole veterinary so we all appreciate it and <hes> on your show thank you it's an absolute honor a pleasure for me to have Yon Eric Johnson everybody and of course Eric and go sale owed him at Ah the track and follow him on twitter six E. R.. I K. Johnson Eric Johnson of the Colorado avalanche getting geared up and going to try to try to hoist the a Stanley Cup and certainly the racing community will will love that moment when it comes watching watching Eric Skate around there. That's one of the great moments in all of sport is the the post host cop celebration. We had a great great Stanley Cup this year and <hes> what a what a treat it is to have somebody is enthusiastic and and just so into the game like this and Jake del home of course <hes> from from a few years ago from the panthers and you know he he actually his family was in racing and they you know they they're heavily involved but I think back then savard and and then he in fact any then any was the last the last the N._H._l.. That we add on the on the show <hes> what a what a treat Eric Johnson everybody bottom of the hour. Let's take a break and we'll come back second half. We got a bunch of things to do hammer is going to.

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Kentucky Derby Fallout

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Kentucky Derby Fallout

"Yeah. There isn't a gestion. Determined to disqualify number seven house wins that took the Irving very bitter sweet victory. You'll want this to be a normal thing in the game. Where he final result is changed and altered. Some people might have people tough about violated PU Bachchan he needs to go to jail, but is different. You hear Joe m b Joe I went to visit a Michael rule been I will not stop until meek was out of frizz thing that play the big part. Open more is than the hip hop community. What you see treating your perceptual heavy sporting events. Shoot. This is the lines Ryan Smith here Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers co owner Michael Rubin stops by talk about his work in the social Justice arena. That's coming up. Our big story today is drama at the Kentucky Derby who'd have thought a foul with change the race. But that's exactly what happened this weekend. Maximum securities jubilant wire-to-wire victory, then became a twenty two minute waiting game of confusion as race stewards examined it on track incident and then shock for number seven's jockey, Louis Sayas and maximum security connections as the horse was disqualified for drifting into the path of another horse in the last turn entering that. Final stretch that horse war of will then altered course affecting several other horses. This was the first time in the raises one hundred and forty five year history that derby winner has been disqualified for an in race foul the new winner second-place finisher country house wasn't in the path of the dust up. But their team was one of the horses protesting the results the racist chief steward. Barbara borden. Explain what happened. We determined that the seven horse drifted out an impacted the progress of number one intern interfering with the eighteen and twenty one those horses were all affected. We thought by the interference. Therefore, we unanimously determined to disqualify number seven and place him behind eighteen that meant seventeenth place for maximum security after running first wire-to-wire the result left maximum securities trainer at a loss for words. Right after the ruling, how would you describe the range of emotions you've gone through in the last hour. You know, what it really hit me be? I'm sure tomorrow going to be like. But right now, I'm still not sure what's happening and maximum securities owner, Gary west still flabbergasted over the decision this morning on the today show. It was literally like the old TV show the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat all within a twenty two minute period of time. It was winning. It was the most euphoric thing, man. I have probably ever had in our lives and disappointment when they took the horse down for the first time in history. I couldn't I couldn't we were stunned shocked in total and complete disbelief. It'd never been done before and while west plans to appeal the decision country houses team was happy to win. But conflicted about the victory what part of maximum securities by hit what part of your horse and today back your what did that? 'cause your horse to do. Well, we never met contact because it was a Halsey is between us, but the wholesome my inside he'd hips the heap on my whole. So it kinda tell me sideways, and it's it's the quota. Well, actually, I was making a run in accounta- momentum on the data this him. He was arrested. This is sweet. So joining me now on the phone is to time Kentucky Derby winning trainer Todd Pletcher. He had to horses that ran on Saturday, cutting humor finished ten spinoff finished eighteenth top, thanks for joining us. Ty. You were right there. You saw your horses around in the track. When you saw what happened and you heard about the result later. Did you actually see something happened during that race that impacted the result in a meaningful way? Could be honest. I couldn't really see it. I was focused on my two horses watching it live. But once I got back to where I could see the replay, you could tell that a significant infraction and taking place, and you know, it was it was an agonizing time for everyone involved. I'm sure, but you know, it's definitely seems significant enough that some action was going to be taken in the longer. They looked at it. It became more apparent that? You know, there was going to be a disqualification. Outside looking in here what you're mentioning about significant fraction, but they wonder just because it's an infraction. Should it have changed the nature of the race for a horse that led wire-to-wire and might not have impacted country house the horse that ended up winning? What do you think about? Well, the the unfortunate thing is is country house probably was the lease affected of the horses involved. But clearly maximum-security shied away from something that he saw the infield took a hard right turn, which impacted, you know, four other horses, and at and it, you know, we were pretty fortunate that when war of will actually almost clipped heels with them that could have been a real disaster had he fallen. So you know, it was a significant enough infraction that it that it definitely impaired at least three other horses chance to maintain their best finish. And you know to me what what comes out of this horse racing. If there is a positive side to it is in the biggest moment of horse racing. The rules were rules were called out fairly and the way they should have been in sometimes in big moments and other sports, you know, officials don't always blow the whistle. And in this case, they did in very very difficult situation for you looking forward to this. How do you think this impacts? The race. I think people on the outside looking and say this happened. But you make a great point that in some ways, they call the rules as they were supposed to be called in this case in your opinion. Correct. The rules were interpreted properly up to maintain a straight course. And no when he veered out in front of those horses and also in precise. This was not Louisa sizes fault. He was he was riding his horse appropriately the horse saw something. He's he got scared. He moved out three pass Lewis corrected it as quickly he could. But unfortunately, at that point the damage already been done at compromise world of wills chances to win it had compromised long-range Totti's chances to win. And and you know, even country house got a got a bit of a bump as well. So you just don't know at a critical juncture of the race like that. How much studying worst pulling them up losing momentum could could cost you know, what position? Now, it's not to say the word will was definitely gonna win. But he was making a forward move in his chances were clearly compromised. I think sometimes when you have a finish or result in sports, especially in an event this big when there's controversy. There's always this talk of change. Do you think something needs to change in horse racing result of what we saw yesterday? No, I think is horse racing enthusiast. We can all take, you know, take the high road and say that, you know, the correct rules were were interpreted and applied in this case. It's always a bittersweet. I think when you when you don't have the first horse crossing the finish line is the ultimate Victor. But you know, the integrity of the sport is paramount the safety of the horses and the riders is critical. And that's why these rules have to be applied. And if they're not if in these type of situations and future races than than the than it could get really tactically dangerous. So I think you know, the the stuarts did the correct thing. Thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Now. Let's welcome in NBC horse racing. Was Randy moss. He was also at the race. Randy. How did you feel about the result of disqualification yesterday? Initially when we first saw the the replays on NBC, the first replays, we were given you could see that there was interference. And I actually saw it live, and and I was kind of expecting there to be an inquiry or foul claim or whatever those initial replays that we saw to me it didn't look like at that time that the interference rose to the level that the horse should be disqualified. And then when we got more and more replace to look at especially the replays where you could see war of wills front legs going between the hind legs of maximum security. And you realized how very close we came to having a catastrophe on the racetrack at the derby with war of will down and his jockey Tyler gaff Leon down and probably other horses going over them and falling at that point. Your viewpoint kind of changes on it. And I think that's ultimately what the stewards. We're looking at. And I've got a lot of friends who disagree. I cut my teeth in this business as a handicapper in the last thing a handicapper wants to see is a horse like maximum security who was clearly the best horse in the race disqualified when the horses he bothered in almost any subjective opinion had no chance to win. And by the way, a horse in country house put up as the winter who had a beautiful trip and really wasn't bothered at all. But when you look at the severity of the problem that maximum security caused and what could have happened. I think if you didn't disqualify the horse, you're sending a message to the jockeys out there. Hey, if you're on the favorite in the Kentucky, Derby anything goes, and you just can't do that especially especially with the renewed interest. Now after what's going on in California. The last few months about horse eighty okay? All the more reason they want to impose the rule of law as as it applies to horse racing. So let me ask you this. I think people we were talking a little bit with Todd Pletcher about the outside looking in people on the outside looking in. They look at this. And they think about ticky tack thousand sports, right? Those kind of files where you say, okay. Maybe that's a foul. But that shouldn't determine the result. You talked about this rising to the level. What is that level where it crossed for you and said, this is not some ticky tack foul. This is something more. What's that level for fans who can't quite understand that? What normally when the stewards look at at at anything like this. All right eating your normal everyday race all the way up to a race. Like the Kentucky Derby, they look at two things number one, and this is not necessarily in order of significance. But number one, did it impact the outcome of the race gay in this case, he answered that would almost certainly be a clear cut absolute. No, it did not affect the outcome of the race war of will had a chance after that any backed up in the last sixteenth of a mile. And the other words, it was interfered with long range Taty was already going into reverse when he got bothered maximum security was gonna win anyway. Right. The second question how severe was the interference? And that's I think that was the tipping point. And that's why I can't really fault. What the stewards did even though I hate as much as the next guy to see a horse that deserved to win and maximum security because he was the best tours disqualified when you. About what could happen. I mean, this could have been the worst catastrophe in Kentucky Derby history, we could had horse deaths. We could have had jockey injuries, and maybe even jockey deaths. I wanna sound melodramatic. But it was essentially what happened. It was a coin flip as far as whether war of will went down or stayed up. If the horse wasn't as athletic as he is in twisted his entire body off to the side to try to avoid maximum securities hind legs. It could have been a really really bad scene will then you just can't allow that to happen. It would be like NFL officials telling players in the last two minutes of the Super Bowl the Super Bowl. We're going to throw our flags we're not gonna call anything. I mean, you've got to have some policing out there. All right. Randy moss. Thank you so much for your time pre sheet it. Let's bring in Joe drape. He's a New York Times horse raiding gracing reporter and Joe. The result in this the controversy around it. What do you think it says about the current state of Ord facing? Well, they're really fortunate is Todd and Randy said before that disaster didn't happen. If war will goes down there out of business force racing right now in America's walking the plank. I grew up with the circus. There's no more circus anymore. We have a far more aware public out there about conscious of animal rights, and how we treat our animals and the safety involved with animals and people to Jackie's involved too. So, you know, this was a disaster of verd-, but they may be lucky, and this is what's sad and their history. Two of the industry has shown is it's changed the conversation away from dead horses to this improbable take down. And you know, I hope they just don't sees that and say, okay, nothing to look at here. We're gonna get through this triple crown, and then we're going to go back to business as usual because a lot of things have to change in horse racing. Or it's going to be out of. Business. What else do you think has to change? Well, I mean, first of all drug and safety. Rules did horses are out there numb. There's performance enhancing drugs. And you know, I'm not saying anything new I've got congressional testimony from forty years ago where they were talking about these things and nothing has changed. You know, they got to figure out what to do with the whip jockeys need to whip to correct? The animal to stay on the horse. But nobody wants to see them, you know, people who don't who aren't horse racing in Tuesday's who don't understand horses. Nobody wants to see somebody on top of a horse whip them down the stretch. So they need to figure that out and Churchill Downs, especially there's no reason it's the only race in America that has twenty horses in it. And that's just a recipe for disaster. They're lucky something terrible. Well, actually, something did terrible happen on two thousand and eight when eight bills went down, and again, she was used Anais congressional hearings promises to change. But. Nothing has changed mentioned this point. Let me jump in. If you'll allow me you mentioned at this point what could have happened yesterday. Randy Todd Pletcher they mentioned the same thing. So in many ways, you talk about the past the deaths at Santa Anita. But at the same time yesterday imposing that decision. Could that in some way signal a change that horse racing is saying we're going to impose the rules? We are concerned about the message that would send for horse and jockey safety. No, not really that rule was made. So so the nine million dollars bets on Mexican security was held with integrity. That's a money making decision horse rations the only place in the world where the gamblers are right on top. And they're living and dying by what the call is. That was an instant decision that was made as much because it took twenty two minutes and Bill mutt. Was standing on the sidelines there on national television saying, hey, if this was Wednesday knock wood duck and a maiden claim mate. I'd take them down. And you know, it was he said that he was right to do that. But there's a broader reform needed twenty horses. Too much. Gary west said that this morning. They need to get a unified body right now Churchill does what it wants Pimlico. Does what it wants Florida? Does what it wants California? Does what it wants? And what you have is this just caca phony of headless horseman is what I'm going to call them. Nobody's really taking care of the horse. And hopefully, what happened yesterday doesn't overshadow that need for change. Don't drink. Thank you. Coming up in Sixers are hoping to win the NBA title. But mica Rubens priorities off court may have further reaching implications implications, especially for criminal Justice talk to him next. If you're looking for the reason to work with a local gyco agent. I have all of them because I'm the voice of reason reason one Geico agents could help you save on more than car insurance reason to they can help tell your policy to fit your needs reason three their local and for their local. Yes, I already said that. But it's still good reason. And if you're looking for more ways to save your local gyco agent could help with more than just your auto insurance. Stop by give them a call today. They're here to help. Outside. The lines is brought to you by Mazda feel. Today's beep block, Michael Rubin. He's had a remarkable year in sports, the seventy Sixers co owner is enjoying success with the team loaded with superstars and holding their own in their second round playoff matchup against the favorite Toronto. Raptors their series not up to to spite the raptors win yesterday. One on one Ninety-six get one of Rubin's biggest priorities. These days is criminal Justice reform arising out of an unlikely friendship. He met hip. Hop star in Philly native meek mill courtside at the two thousand fifteen all star game and two years later, the rapper was sentenced to years in prison for probation violation. The first of several times he's been sentenced to serve time stemming from a two thousand eight incident when he was just eighteen years old now when mill was released in April of two thousand eighteen Rueben and the Sixers gave him a hero's. Welcome at the game the same day and earlier this year Rubin. Joined forces with meek, Jay Z, Robert Kraft among others to create the reform alliance to raise awareness for criminal Justice reform. Joining me now a Sixers. Oh owner Michael room. We've got him on the phone. Let me ask you. What did make open your eyes? You've talked about an opening your eyes before what did he open your eyes to as far as what I've also heard you say, they're being to America's when it comes to criminal Justice. Yeah. He opened my eyes to xactly that to be honest. You know, where I grew up. If you make a mistake, the repercussions are mine or meet grows up. If you make mistake you go back to prison. So great example that if I know someone who smoked marijuana they get a slap on the wrist, and Mr. meter meekness somebody who smokes marijuana. They probably end up going to prison. Yeah. So mazing just that difference right there. Let me ask you this recently may try to travel the Toronto. He's obviously big Sixers fan wanted to be there. The judge in this case denied it. I know you have been very vocal about her. What does the fact that his case remains under this judge? That's been there for years that seems to constantly be violating him for ovation violations. What does that say about the court system? The first thing is most people think that meek is free and he's really not free. He's been on probation for twelve years is another scissors permission left and the miners think and sent him back to prison. So meek tested positive for smoking marijuana. If you show up late to meet probation officer, he could be sent back to prison. But really the bigger issue is the overall broken criminal Justice system. 'tatoes six point seven million people in the criminal Justice system. America has five times the rate of incarceration of everywhere else in the world, and there are four point five million people on probation parole. And that's the area that that Meakin. Either reform alliance really wanna fix probation pros really supposed to be about. How do you rehabilitate somebody, but it's not working that way? And we have a goal getting at least a million people out of the probation pro system over the next five years. Well, keep communities safe. I think in general we need a complete overhaul. The criminal Justice system in America. How in your opinion is it working with Meeks judge? When you talk about rehabilitation. What's what does it seem to be? The doing. Well, it's not working. I mean, I'll give you a great example me cat an opportunity to go to buy a few months ago for a concert for a day. And he's going to be paid four hundred fifty thousand dollars the judge approved him to travel after the concert had already runs time. Of course. In other words, he's time to travel there got approved after the date of doing the concert. So he didn't get to make that four hundred fifty thousand dollars which stimulates Sumi people around him. So everything he needs to do is controlled by his judge. He he couldn't go to China last week. He hasn't yet been approved to go to Toronto tomorrow and build up Watson there, and he should be. He's somebody who should not be under. He somebody who should be free and people think he's free. It's not free today. And again, this goes to the overall problem of probation pro I was talking to a very important person in basketball, who's telling me about a friend of theirs who was on probation and a friend of this passed away. And he's wanted to the funeral and he had he would have been arrested if he would have gone to that funeral probation pro. Should be about. How do we help people and rehabilitate them not how do we wait until they mess up and put them back in prison? So what is the reform alliance doing right now to try to change things? Yes, we're going state by state to try to change the laws in each state to make logical sense in Pennsylvania. As an example, where I'm from Ramirez from Pennsylvania has some of the worst criminal Justice laws and some of the west probation. I'm pro laws. A matter of fact, Pennsylvania's a third where state in the country for the rate of people on probation in parole. So what we wanted to change the laws but caps on how long you be on probation caps. And if you have a technical by elation, you can't be sent back to prison. So as an example in many states, you can only be on probation for the majority states. Have a cap addition only being unprepared for up to five years in Pennsylvania. There's no cap on probation. So meek will between how many years you served a ready and years left the probation for eighteen years. I didn't know you go back to prison for not committing a crime. And that's what. So many people don't understand and eighty percent of people that are on probation to go back to prison and jail each year for violating probation, and they're not committing crimes is because late to meet the probation officer. It's because they tested positive for smoking marijuana. I'll tell you because they didn't pay their fines. And I think he's go to prison for that. I went to prison Michael crime. I gotta jumping because we run on time. But his great to hear from you. And hopefully, we see some change suit. Michael. Thank you. We'll be right back. Hundred six after beat the sage say, Kevin got wilpon, Stephen A, previewing warriors rockets and book Celtics lot to cover. 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Part 1: Dick Jerardi

"Sirius Xm ports presents with Steve. A horse racing handicapping interviews. This is really stupid. It's very good Tuesday race fans from snowy from. Yeah Yeah. It went from from raining all night and morning to the. There's maybe three inches of snow already coming down like a blanket. Maybe it's tailing off now looked out the window for the first time serious nineteen Xm to a one smartphone. Nice sixty four for listening to Siriusxm online at our website as well Steve Dick Dot Com and the the news that came careening yesterday after we wrapped up unbelievable level. One one news alert after another. That's one of the. It's it's one of the things when you I don't know how many of you must you must have this deal when you you got two or three. Let's say you got two or three emails and invariably your emails you know you've used one or other or or all three to sign it. At various the various industry resources right. CDN Blood Wars D. R. F. ET CETERA. And then then of course you're in you know eighty w what so when when there's news alerts it's it's Ah you know. It's like an avalanche the phone one after the other after the other coming in all three two or three emails the same save story seven times so needless to say most of you are aware the the Derby lawsuit that Gary West he continues to pursue and he was completely Not just unhappy obviously but I would say even further further provoked Ocht by the way in which the District Court judge wrote the ruling dismissing the lawsuit. And essentially you know part of the judgment event part of the the decision in siding with The defendants who are essentially the the Kentucky stewards words and and the system that the infrastructure involved restoring regarding the Derby decision. Well I'll read from it. Kentucky's regulations made clear that the disqualification is not subject to judicial review further. This qualification procedure does not implicate an interest protected under the due process clause of the US constitution accordingly. The courts must grant the motion to dismiss. And we Gary Gary West contention which it is understandable his displeasure over. This said you know. Essentially that terminology that was applied to the decision puts the Kentucky stewards above the law. Literally as he as he wrote in kind of a press statement yesterday and this part this is these have been discussed. These cases. Like this have been discussed. You know a long time. And the whole concept of w-what due process is extendable in racetrack litigation or racetrack. The Judaization West wrote stewards. Decisions are mementos financial intangible importance to owners breeders trainers jockeys and the betting public transparency in review ability of decisions by stewards is essential to the integrity of racing in America. Dan is critical to the public's confidence in the sport and on that topic he certainly not wrong. I mean that that contention is is has got real gravitas in real merit right And this this reminds minds meet to some degree of the fight that the Jerry. Jim Coach in In engaged in has engaged just in off and on for years regarding acclaiming horses and the yeah what constitutes property and what you know what rights owners have when they claim a horse and okay. There's there's house rules yeah. You can't horse can't leave the grounds until the end of the meat. Well in some cases some some seasons are months and months and months long at the virtually you know some places you round racing horses imprisoned and that you know that was jam goatskins claiming he you know he chased this He chased this topic. And we've discussed it off and on over the years and there's always there's always a a degree at the kernel of in a legitimate question and and Gripe In in these kinds of discussions but the racetrack is such an unusual. Such an unusual environment heard the replay. Or if you heard yesterday show or pay you know had a chance to listen to Gary Barlow. Had The you know the discussion about the Labor Department you know. Essentially focusing in on on the back stretches in New York and attacking the horsemen and then characterizing arising fines and and you know any other any other element of their in a prosecution As you know some sort of an important You know societal retribution. When in fact if you went to any the any of the sets of of employees involved they would not be? Yeah they would not be saying. Oh we were cheated and we were. We were being robbed and taken advantage of nobody. Nobody you you know. That's involved would think of it that way. It's the way it's being characterized. I I see plenty of people and and specifically the the attacks on Chad Brown in particular. I see where Tom Noonan decided to. You know to crawl out from under you know from under the bridge you you know for for an attack. Every so often you know he decides it's time to come out and and throw bric brick bats and the single out everybody but he loves to single out the Chad Brown in this because he's got the biggest operation affected it the whole in all all of these topics are just made more complex by you know the nature of of the racetrack. And I've said from the start of this thing going back to the week after Turbie It just it for somebody who has given so much into the game Gary West. This is just just this is eating Adam and you just feel terrible and I it. It is with every passing decision. It's reminding more and more Peter Fuller and and The basically the dancer's image story which haunted fuller to the grave essentially. So this this this will I the with every decision people say. Oh well co it's over and no it's not but he's GonNa Pursue Further in no an appeal essentially in addition to to that piece of news on the on the Equine Front And we're going to talk to Andrew Learner today. And what are what are difficult roller coaster of emotion for Andrew Learner and his barn as princess. Doreen Orene Doreen. Doreen Doreen was a different horse. Of course Princess Dorian. It was euthanized on Monday after the surgery last Monday. Yeah it was a week because it was. It happened on Sunday right opening weekend. Laminate is setting in and it just in both hind legs not You know fits in one leg day. They've got treatments and they've got the cold boot and all the different circulatory efforts that can be made but It's always the danger whenever you know the weight whenever their weight is not they're not able to adequately distribute off and on an equally and it becomes a danger and exchanged Some notes with with Andrew and coming on the heels of the win on Sunday after they had had this this just arduous week. You know hopeful that they they could save a Princess Dorian and Eric Johnson making clear to the veterinary team team. That you know. He didn't didn't you know whatever the expenses were that was fine and you're always hopeful early on that that they always seem to get through the front end of the surgery. Well but it's the laminates that is such a such such a dangerous so hearts go out to the Eric and the partners involved. And we'll talk Taylor because of course. On on Sunday Day a win for Queen Beatty you in the Betty grable and this is. This is so so typical I mean how many times have we had these kinds of conversations where there's triumph and tragedy and frustration exultation and you gotta you gotTa Roll with it did. This was part part of that conversation. They had last week with Tim. Leighton so it also In terms of some surgical efforts Max field had an ankle Worked on it took a chip out. They called it a mildly displaced chip. And he'll get sixty days and we typically arthroscopic topics surgery like that at an ankle. We just had Claude. Ray QUADRA had a chip taken out by Dr Bruce Down at Rootin- riddle in Florida. They use the Arthur scope and they then they flush it out and get rid of any debris and didn't sound like there was any you know any significant damage. This'll be a good thing for for Dr all day to. This is one of those topics that we always enjoy. Roy Steve Explaining. There's certain places where a chip can float around and it's not gonna it's not gonNA damage any any cartilage and whatnot then there's places where might flint so especially on a young horse you get it out of there it's better it's better out than than in so best wishes for Max view. Get him back as soon as they said sixty days I mean typically these days with the Arthur scope Six six weeks. And even even then you can walk doors and you know they don't want him galloping yet but it's easier and easier than it used to be And then the other piece of news The situation in California now Dianne Feinstein has a announced that she's going to be co sponsor of the insulting Horse racing integrity. Act Babe feelings very clear on this It it's it's it's just ridiculous but well done everybody that's contributed to creating this situation. See The me time there's still oh there's still no hearings you gotta have. The Commerce Committee has the schedule hearings to even initiate things. 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Coming out of the Breeders Cup for the discussion because he was flirting with the championship and made a bet late that propelled him up to the top of the leaderboard and then with the additional circumstance of Bill Lyons passing I was. He's not gonNA miss a chance to get Dick on the show as a longtime contemporary of Lyon At the for for Decca Dick the Daily News and and of course line that the enquirer. Dick Morning I. This was a this was a hybrid opportunity Tunde and before we talk about e CBC. Johnny Zanthosyn I pay tribute to to Lyon yesterday who died during the Eagle Game. My on on Sunday at eighty one and had it so tough at the end but was just so widely admired and and You must have some real intimate memories. Lot of great memories of Bill as good as he was as a writer. Better as a guy And as you alluded to a at Alzheimer's the last years it's very difficult for those of us who knew what a great mind he was. And if anybody ever ever read you can tell just by reading What a brilliant guy was just very hard for him and his family the last couple of years but he wrote incredibly eloquently about the disease over the last couple of years and I don't know how he did it but somehow he found a way to do it and I've I've covered many many events with bill? Oh and never saw anybody at a live event could turn around the column and it's just an incredible skill everybody else is like grasping. What am I doing here? He's done and it's better than anybody it's up to our to do and I said the tech giant this morning I said he was. He was a poet. Poet Basketball Sportswriter. That's really what he was. And I I also got this story a lot of travel memories. Bill Especially Union sixers went to the finals and won a bunch of us who are in the Philly airport on a Friday afternoon. Toronto plane cancelled Let's go to Pittsburgh Let's miss the connection. Let's get on a A prop plane to Hamilton Ontario. My Man Bob Somehow got us as with a driver and a half dozen others rolled into the game and the first half. I don't even know who won the game. I mean the sexiest pointing to series. That was one the one where Vince Carter. Mrs. Schott Game Seven But who in writing. I bet a game didn't even see. Half of it was classic sportswriter. Bill was there and he could pay. I'd like to go back to see what his column like that night. I'm sure it was great. I gave a link yesterday to To his book and I hope people take advantage. And there's there's been some columns that quickly circulated one of the things that really distinguished him was his ability to to write about any athletic competition. Then he I don't think I don't think of him as somebody that took in a lot of racing but He he tapped into the vein. You know when the opportunity struck and no more so than when Smarty Jones emerged now he was I saw bill a bunch of times towards the end of that He he was definitely around and look he knew a good story. And we haven't had a better story in this now uh-huh Smarty Jones. I mean look I covered from the beginning. It was awesome from beginning to end. It was interesting stage. This is the fifteen year anniversary of Derby and preakness wins and came back to parks arques for an appearance in September and and yet bill was one of the guys who got caught up in and typically wasn't a horse racing guy but that was the story that he didn't have to know anything about horse race. Get well I wanted to to let you offer uh-huh Maget because he. He's one of those one of those writers that it's a rare circumstance when somebody comes into into a town like Philadelphia you know from a different part of the country and is readily accepted And just you know based on talent and he was what made him and I'm I'm just speculating but I'm gonNA guess that. What made him acceptable and then adored in Philadelphia was that he was as critical of performances as as Philadelphia? Sports fans are but then at the same time equally an equal measure of admiration when when there was real achievement the almost impossible as the writer. He was critical while being nice. It's very hard to do bill. Lyon found a way to do it just the way he wrote and we've had some phenomenal writers in Ernest Pal. Steve when I got here in nineteen eighty five. I was hired basically to handicap the race card State Park and I learned how to write by reading the writers in town. Ah Good this was I think. Mentors like Stan Hochman We lost a few years ago. Just another guy who loved horse racing just the great columnists and now bill. Just it's the it's the end of an era but yeah we had a talk about some great sports columns Senate town. We certainly had them here in Philly. Well we certainly had the all the best players assembled for the Breeders Cup betting challenge and you've readily involve yourself in the contest scene and you've proven out As a adapt contests player and live money. You Know Day in day out player. You're talking about what your thoughts were going in to the BBC this year. Dick and then we'll kind of walk through the fourteen races all credit I e the my great friend rates Hannah Hill. Andy Biographies Listening. Well No this story I met Ray in the mid into late seventies after picking winners came out of the Selima Room of the Louis Library. Both researching fire speak figures. Back in the day where you had to go back to the old shark rocks walks in all and ray really got me interested in contests. We played the Penn national contests back in the day. The world series handicapping. We finished first one year. Second one your your third one. He was just a great great player and he got me involved in the Breeders Cup. Betting Challenge we played in twenty ten and then every year since two thousand fourteen and this really is dedicated to Ray. He unfortunately passed away in twenty fifty but he put together a group of which I'm now sort of in charge of and do all the selections agents and all the work for it so it was really raised idea that got us there and I know he would've off Bob How it played out this year so this is what I was specifically trying right to do this year. It's interesting horse. I liked the most Steve on both days was fun to run the parks third mile on Saturday. Because I knew the price is going to be great great so I spent all day Friday trying to get my bankroll that starts at seventy five hundred up to ten thousand eleven twelve thousand where I was going to bet most of it to win win on sponsor run but I couldn't hit a thing on Friday You know you gotTa Bet at least six hundred on three different Breeders Cup races on Friday and that six hundred off seven races on Saturday. I just couldn't hear anything so I really had to start rethinking. My strategy is I went through it and I gave myself a bunch. Much of Alice's we got through the day On Saturday but every year my goal in these contests and I was able to play more this year than I was ever especially some late the one the last one expressed back contest at Santa Anita weekend prior. You'll love this. I qualified for the contest on the last double of the last race of the last contest. Where you can watch three hundred that got me to second second? I think the top four got in so that was kind of good but yeah. I got the play ten contests this year. which is more than I usually play before I didn't have is family? Economists will some paper or a little more time so I was more ready and I put more time into it this year than any other year the XP TV workouts were gigantic. An incredible so help in fact it got me to the one of the key horses that ended up getting into money here And just just all of the information and being out there at Santa Anita and talking to people Oh and just knowing friends business and talking to them about it and just getting the feel I felt like I was better prepared than anytime I played it and as you know I was on with you last year. I got it up to fifty thousand after the first day last year. And then bet eighty percent of it on Marley's freedom the feeling they're sprint on rockies miss the break just ended up going really wide lost by half of my. But that's that's the game. I mean you play off time. You'll be lucky you're lucky that was a lot this year. I got pretty lucky in the race where I need to. So you basically trickle out Let's see Three hundred six hundred seven hundred twenty and who. Oh and then in the juvenile. Actually you. You really went heavy. Trying to trade off of Dennis's moment and the race is over literally as the gates open. Grasso Grasso Yeah. I was trying to get spun on. splendor run money there. That exact I did not like eight rings. Didn't like it at all. I was trying to beat him. I thought it was this moment. Over scabbard wasn't Pamelas. Thirteen for two thousand. You win eleven thousand that was spawned sponsor That's the only reason Beth race. Unfortunately she can see it was over half a second so like oh my guess. Guess that's not GonNa work mark so after the first day I had about half my back. Roll up I think I'd like thirty seven hundred talk about the and even on Friday and going through all of the plays as you know the everybody more or less was waiting into the action. You know Friday Friday is entertaining a and then. Yeah there's certainly opportunities but everybody's keeping the powder dry for Saturday but talk about you know the double concept in in in in this setting versus playing you know playing a race as a standalone with executives and tries and and and whip money. Yeah it's really interesting. The exact pools at the Breeders Cup or maybe four to five times higher than the double pools. So there's GonNa be some inefficiencies and some of these calls and that's saw Steve is sit around looking at the will pay and trying to get a sense wasn't what in what's out. What's what are the possibilities here? What are the betters missing? And I I found some Some interesting doubles on Friday. That I played None of which ended up pinning and then the the the race I was kind of most interested in was actually the The juvenile fillies race. Because I thought it was gonNA fall apart. I thought that was a any did. Unfortunately the long shot that I liked to come running. Never picked up her feet created any time But it just. I'm I got a ready list of how what I WANNA do. And again I try to get in these contests typically. I'm shooting for obviously changes. You have to call audibles all the time. Ten Times the entry price so in this situation I shooting and try to get one hundred and I just try to figure out a bunch of ways. How can I get there? What do I need to do is one race? Do I need to hit this race against this race. That's why I said I really would have. If somehow now I got anything right on Friday I probably would have got one. Hundred was on the run on Saturday by the time I got despondent right. I didn't have enough money to do much damage. Talk talk about Saturday and you only you only dropped two hundred dollars in in the opener and you actually were leaning more toward come dancing you basically simple two hundred dollar double come dancing Cecchi Shabazz and come dancing was one of the one. What did the disappointments I think on the forever for a lot of people on the on the weekend Just really did not fire. Yep that was my only sentimental better the weekend. The office store Friday night was my friend. Done Metzger living forever in Derby and Guy Walks up to me I. I really don't know who he is. And he walks up to me and he starts talking and he says. Hey I'm Carlos mark how do I said how do you make anyway I I had a story on Groovy and his dad needed Breeders Cup when Carlos was like. I don't know what I did. And how he wanted to be a trainer and I'm thinking there's no way I look like thirty years ago. How the heck does He? It was bizarre so we talk and I ended up at actually brought the story with me to give to them. If I ran into so I went across the street I was staying right across the street. I win win over. Got The story back to Carlos handed it to him. Somebody written thirty years ago and and then I said you know what I like. Check he should and I actually love. I really thought she was much the vest but that one post really spooked me So I said out better two hundred dollars double and into this shouldn't have done it but it was two hundred. Seventy seventy five hundred and yeah. She just didn't run. I felt bad for Carlos but yeah. That's that's great I I don't have do have the plays he's here but I'm not gonNA go survey them looking to see how people leveraged horses like Kathy. And there's there's a lot of polarizing conversation or at least decision making when it comes to either embracing favorites bricks and mortar order sister. Charlie Kafi midnight be sue. I mean those were the big Saturday horses. And what's your general application application when it comes to working through horses like these. I'm five with any any favorite If you can leverage in the right direction look the winner made a great player Co Fethi Memories. I think he went all in oak and it was a great bed of course made a great bed at the end of the contest too so I just kept looking at that race need and I said Man's these two other speed horses but look Joel rooted. Perfect TV let them go and you knew she was the best horse and I knew it like honor guards advocate. I said she's GonNa win when she when she got to the outside and that perfect spot but yeah. I'm fine with favorites. I'm fine with whatever. Just get them home. Like I said I've been a ton the money on On the BAFFERT Philly last year Marley's freedom it just was the circumstance. How much do you have? What can you use them? What are your double whole situation? Where do you like an exact as a tries? It's so yeah no no problem with favorites in the right circumstances well Brad Anderson I did reach out hoping to get Brad on Friday and he in fact did bet nineteen hundred to win on Kafi and then had a thousand dollar double caffey to Belvoir Bay Awesome Final Frontier imprimis and and stormy liberal. So he he went one by four. We put four thousand any got ten thousand back and he also had an interesting. I think he had a Kafi all double as well which wasn't necessarily a bad idea so he came back with a With a They got about four to one return on that so he actually had fifty three hundred in the filly and mare sprint and and after the Turf Sprint had twenty two thousand eight hundred out of that out of that wager so he I know everybody is is talking about how he he did you know. He got lucky by switching up to Vino Rosso but he obviously was in a position financially to you know make it happen so give some credit on that end. Glenn you say he got Lucky Smart. Play at the end. It looked like you're right Mackenzie. That wasn't GonNa pass me so he made made the right place okay. Graduations depressed you imagine Cecchi Shabazz. And you pretty much worked everything through through shaky and you know to some degree. You did have a shaky Belvoir Tien. I had all three three of those horses that Ran one-two-three and S. You know that was probably the biggest regret of any of the Vet Steve. I ended up using CECCHI Shabazz over belmore paying. Aw and of course they finished one. Two three try paid huge. I'm not a blocks try. Typically and I looked at that race and I said said well from right about check you should. I'd love to see one of these horses run second I never dreamed up the three of them. WE'RE GONNA run one two three but afterwards I'm saying and you know what a twenty dollar try bucks get fifty grants so. In retrospect that's a race. I should have had well and yet the try Fifty cent try paid eleven hundred and sixteen dollars right. I think I think what twenty paid. Whatever you can do the math? It would have. Yeah and I think I have what I exactly a Jesus And that that is frustrating. And that's one of the things and you you know contests players in this environment. You you just. You can't let you can't let it bother you LASCA basketball for the last a shot. It didn't go and golf. I play the shot and I've played enough at the track. I'm really good at that. I can let it go because I I had a plan mapped out if this if bat and that just wasn't like one of my key races but it was like for a moment of thinking. Oh maybe I should have thought of that but you know it's it's track. It's an easy game after the race. Well now we get to the Philly horse and this was one of the best moments really of the weekend and I had been trumpeting. That spun to run might might be among the best if not you know the the best three year old of uh of the crop in some some degrees through the middle portion of the summer and into the fall. And if you heard Guerrero at the Haskell press conference that's when it became apparent that that this was a horse in needed to to follow and then that performance in the Valencia Mile People can say whatever they want about about the figures parks and and this and that if if they didn't drop your jaw you just aren't watching enough races seen it parks in ears. I couldn't even come up with anything close to his performance state before the race. I didn't pick spun was GONNA win. That's how good I thought. The only in service told me the worse it never been better. That's like one of the best older horses at at at at Park. Not Not only did you win. I mean just crushes. The field and I knew immediately number was going to be huge Tan. And that's obviously going to win the race but people as you said is parks at scarlet. Screw we don't know who he is but he's been Talionis. Who are for months? He wanted to run in the preakness he wanted to run them. Seo But he's got that entrapped APP or go out the same thing that I've got prior to the Derby sat out all this came back to run pretty well. The haskell need traces uh-huh better And the PUCK number to worship come out of that race after the Lasi to confirm it both at one bump it run the numbers that suggests that the one thing that was really good and I knew the price is going to be right because a Omaha to get giant life for obvious reasons and one of the things I've learned through the year Stevens. These ones bigger horses and that is one figure or she usually a high of a study. Eleven or twelve points if they're going to be the big price you bet them if they're going to be six to five you don't. That was one that we systems. Easy possibly Andy I've had the conversation Russian and it just gives a lot of examples through the years for people that really can't be well it can be if they're nine to one if therefore no don't do it and I've been on both sides over. That was a good place to be that thing and then a few things happened. I it we'll talk about the the outcome. But where were you in terms of bankroll versus where you had hoped to be and then you know essentially you you have to be a little. You have to be a little miffed that you didn't have a bigger crowbar at that point to attack the race. Right I was more under vicinity. Is that going to be my all printed then for raising it. Eight or nine racing get a banquet built up the big number of fun to run and I just didn't have it. I I WANNA say I had about twenty five hundred last going into the race At I couldn't even if I say well I could to win. That's not gonNA that GonNa win the contest for me so I went conservative as much as I hate to do it. I bet double coming in with Jackie Sherpas myth that another coming out with sister. Charlie missed. It's better than a with with Omaha and got my bankroll up. The basically where I started there was a run about a thousand south after the race but that was really all I was trying at that point because I knew I had a number of plays one of which was certainly is going to win and and another compelled. That was was the big number later in the terrorists. I just want a couple of plays said. Just give me enough money that I can take a couple of shots with those place. I walk trying to win it and I couldn't win. It was from the run. I just wanted more. I just wanted to nomination. And that's what you come out with. Fifty five hundred added and that gets gets you to the Philly and Mayor Turf and it's interesting because the play you made here is very similar to the play that you you get you up the leaderboard later. This didn't work. I mean. This was sister Charlie and basilica you have the right idea with basilica and it and and like so many You know unless you latched onto your Edessa you know you came away kicking the cat here. Throwing just didn't fire McConnell knew that was possible because it's everyone almost spur. It said Brown. That wasn't the racy we're trying to go for. She'll be at her best she just wasn't And the civic around great and I didn't have Erica so I always was. I knew I was hitting the sprints. Thieves wanted all that concerned. I knew I was going to have enough money to keep firing when when when they strap on the uh-huh imperial hand became so I I actually looked at the philly and they're kind of free shot to take it because I knew I had some place to Friday well and that does get you to you. Know the stretch run here and with the sprint. Matola and chance a lot are the two horses and it. It's amazing that you end up making more in this race than you had spun to run. You know who pays twenty dollars again. We just timing of the races and how much I had and the fact that I really wanted some money for later in the car where I had a couple of chances I thought if I had had the right bank roll could get me to a number into the six figures so this was the easiest bet. I made today's thousand dollar box. It was only GonNa be for sex or your sex were I and I. I probably lean slightly to MacAulay but not a lot and again when imperial came out. It was a mattress my surprise there it was. I thought it was GONNA pay nine dollars eight dollars instead. It was like seventeen and sixteen so I got a lot more than I ever hoping for in that race but I never ever thought for a minute that we're going to take those words takes us to the mile and you come back with seventy eight hundred so you basically doubled your investment it therefore thousand and you get back seventy eight hundred and now we're into the mile where again it ended up it. I thought thought this was the funniest Ebb and flow story coming in and out of Breeders Cup which was early on the mile was going to be the Philly in the air and then everybody got all excited about finding alternative runners and then when they're in the stretch you realize oh it's the Philly the mayor thought about all along exactly. Yeah when I when I kept looking at this race but I thought that uh-huh was the most likely winner but when Bolo scratched I keep looking. I kept looking at the race and I said you know what there's almost no early speed and and I'm thinking what was the name of the worst I bet on the Frankie Dettori. It came up in The Hague who became it became a talking horse all week right. Hey Command and and again I knew what I had behind it and it was going to bet what I was going to bet on the turf that I knew that all all day so I knew that that was always going to be there so I said well you know what. Let me take another shot. Try to win it now with this horse 'CAUSE I had enough back all if I didn't win then I go ahead buddy to play with so I had levels From totally to hey demand I bet some exact with Hagen second second behind and another name I can't remember and then I bet command to win again trying to get over a hundred and breaks perfect perfect and all of a sudden wins the Woodbine mile coming off. The pace is up there hassle. What are you doing good at it and was is there? And I wasn't GonNa wire-to-wire the fraction exactly opposite of what I thought they would be actually set a perfect for any for the late runners. You Might WanNa Ready. Yeah I I got. It was kind of a free bed given what I had behind it that I could take another chance with the money that I had. They try to win the conflict. Well and I'm curious because at this point now there's the distaff turf and the classic left and what was your. What was your mentality at that point because ultimately here you're gonNA you're GONNA hit Vegan? The TURF and not participate in the classic was is that what was your thinking going into. The the last big three didn't like the classic never liked the classics thought. Four horses could when Didn't have a feel for it. Didn't have a feel for how they were going to run. It wasn't true who was speed. One just never felt comfortable. I ended up picking Mackenzie first second or third. I did have a little bit of billboard so I said I'm taking my run at it right now and the staff. Yeah Look I. I consider the race amid they start out to be a mistake And I I wouldn't have exact anyway but basically all I was trying to do their. Steve was get enough money in case I miss the turf to try to win it on the classic. Even though I it wasn't anything well I there were tries. I was Gonna the point is I think I probably would have hit the try. I'm not sure if it would have been enough to win It turned out. It was irrelevant because when the term AH wasn't gonNA play the classic But Yeah I just completely missed on the distant but I was more thinking just staff to try to get the money for the classic in case I well and the distaff. What was your thinking in here because again? We're we're dealing with a an even money favourite in midnight be sue and she was funny because There there was that same dialogue going into this this that you know she particularly for those that you know that use Premium performance numbers. You know the dialogue again was his. She's no faster than several year. Yeah it was interesting. I was wrong about that race and I watched obviously every one of her races. I bought her last last work. was sessional again watching the expertise and then being there live on for Wednesday morning just to get everything. It's such A. It's such a great help And I I watch and I said she just one of these horses it's going to run fast enough to win And she never looked like a winner at anytime in that race. Just this understood the race and it turned out. I didn't have the winner anyway. It Mike Vaccines that use for Morse's a on workouts Be On form cycles and fire figures and all the stuff I usually use it. Yeah just completely wrong about that. Basement the great thing about this context author. You could be wrong a lot. You only got a couple of times well. And that's true Breeders Cup in general. Tell everybody you not not only. Can you be wrong about horses. You can miss that and and then in fact be at some point just be right about even even a horse that doesn't win and betting them properly is everything and technically. That's the story for next where you're going to bank one. One hundred thirty seven thousand dollars on a two thousand dollar bunch and talk about what you saw in united that made you think that that he could be on a par late with bricks and mortar is so i. I didn't think he was GonNA part Brexit mortar. I thought he was going to be closing. There's pressure from that standpoint. I I didn't think that when I thought was when none of the good euros came and in all the channel cats channel makers and all your courses that take turns beating each other came it was pretty easy to eliminate half the field Someone twice 'cause I just wasn't you gotta be enough for me to get anywhere at some point performance and when Chad Brown decided to run the mile a half. If you remember all your logging 'cause they kinda got a mile We're GONNA do something different or we might not even running the skull that told me he saw what we saw that the rain. It was a week Breeders Cup turf. For what what we usually see knowing able none of the European superstars so I can see the rain brexit border because I watched the Bronco ear and how good he was and and a lot of things like the life except bannon Iran Ortiz. So how did that come out with the United again process of elimination to a point twice to appoint I needed a big one and the workout. Who was the was the best I saw of any of the horses in the turf? I didn't see all the work. That's because obviously some of the workout. You're not seeing but I thought it was substantial. I'm getting Richard Bandala. I'm getting Flavian. Pratt is the best writer in California and other than tyrod you could actually make a case. He was riding better than Iraq was on somebody log shots over the weekend. He was riding gray and the fact that I knew at that stage. I was going to need a nick price and I told the guys are playing with that. This is going to be a minimum of one hundred dollars in probably more and I WANNA save two thousand four could hits. It's going to get into the six figures And in what not perform past performances thought they were okay but nothing special. He was more like well. It's kind of a a plotter And actually thought again he was going to be closing rather than brochure closing on him And the last thing I soci that question for me was the week of the race in that in the notes and I try to read everything Mandela said because there was some kind of flat in the race before. It's been sick after the race. That's why the performance was like that. I said that's it. That's the one I'm going to save something perfectly two thousand dollar punch for that race and if I'm right and basically I'm trying to beat a couple of other courses for second with the way I look at it if I'm right it's two thousand is going to become a hundred data became honored thirty seven. I was wondering if you were if you had to save look on your face that Mandela did. I was standing on the on the track. You know waiting for the horses to come back and Richard came out and had this absolute a wide kind of look. At the kind of bemused used smile. You know if if somebody told me he was gonNA finish second. You know that united was going to run the arguably the better race than Omaha Beach. I don't know if he would have if he would have believed you but I mean the united comes closer to winning his race then then then Omaha beach that is That alone was a story. Yeah it it was something I mean. What a beautiful right I mean people could chance to watch the replay practice everything? I did a great ride as I'm watching the race and say to my friends at let's say that We're getting exactly what we want with united not exactly. I thought that I thought he'd be behind. Bricks and mortar put borders surrounded by channel. Whatever channel the one place that go steadying? I'm gone now. We just need this tour. Stick it out and get some room to run and finally and then you're looking at your side you're gauging. It is enough time and what comes first the wire at fortunately for us. I can only imagine it's wins. This you get nothing about. What would that have been? What kind of feeling that a bit? Yeah I've been there before anybody. Everybody knows me at the racetrack. I'm one punch exactly guy that's all I've done it forever and if it comes the other way I'm willing to deal with the consequences but what I liked to have maybe like a couple of hundred three nine. Yeah with a with a hundred yards ago. Yes didn't I didn't have the right number unbelievable and you bring in one hundred thirty seven thousand two hundred and you know I. I was taking screen in caps after each race and I got a few of the leaderboards up out onto onto twitter but I i. I realized later that that the one with you had not had not taken root it. It ended up in the drafts. Section of of you know twitter her and I found it later but you know what what are you thinking at that point now here. Here's the did you think you was going to be enough or did you think we need to do something in the classic I gave it a Lotta thought. My biggest problem is I said earlier in the class. 'cause I just didn't have a strong opinion Had I had a strong opinion on a horse I felt fairly competent was gonNA win. I would have gone ahead and Batum Not a tremendous amount. Maybe five ten thousand or something just a shutout a guy like Brad who bet so brilliantly on on the winner and get twenty five thousand gruesome then he could have passed. I asked my former total but he wouldn't have passed a turtle I would have had if I had met a couple of ten five ten grand. Don't be you know Roseau so I think that thought But again I just wanted to. And if I don I probably would have been on the kids. He frankly which could have brought some other people in deploy 'cause it's so random Some of it at the end I ended up losing second by like what three hundred twenty dollars and I couldn't get myself out of second. Nobody variables that you can't account for and that's welcome stance. But I will say this. I wish it would have been twenty. Seventeen in gunrunner would have been in the race. I can guarantee you got it. Did you think how confident were you that somebody might leapfrog terribly confident. Because does your target. Everybody knows what the number is they have to go for. And there's so many people with money that point I mean what twenty five thousand even a guy with forty. Five thousand is very dangerous if they're willing to get it all again. I wasn't terribly but I did. Have I think st that. I'm not sure short. Sixty thousand was about the biggest lead anybody's going into the last race. So we're GONNA take a big number to catch me but yeah I absolutely absolutely new albums rollerball. The only thing I really didn't want to do was bad on something I really didn't like and cost myself a physician. I do not want to talk about that but I really wished I like something and I'd actually run into earlier in the week and there was also a cabinet from expert. TV She said WHO's your best of the weekend. He said Gino Russo and his last work was awesome. But I didn't see that race coming. I mean he was great opposite array of like win the classic for the first time actually back the race has been long. And there's you know there's a lesson there to which is the keeping the money in your pocket? It when you look at and this is. This is not just true for Breeders Cup or for Big Saturdays during triple crown season it. It's true Monday through Sunday. The the old lesson. Don't you know you don't don't have to bet every race and if you find yourself handicapping and taking more time on a race then that's a message telling you that you don't have a good feel for what's going to happen. That's exactly what happened to me there and and I went over the Times because you WanNa have an opinion last race because of the nature of the contest which has been I think almost every year by somebody passing somebody the last race if there was actually one year I had to winning turn on that absorb out of it and finishing second but for the most that plays out but unfortunately I just and again you you can try to force it and come up with talk yourself into reasons for doing things but in the long run that's ecstatic Craig Played Eh. In retrospect I probably if I had to do it again I probably would've been like ten grand on McKinsey. It would have been a loser. Wouldn't would it costs me that the ten grand embedding would've cost me any position the content but it could have cost me position to contest and the Guy Beats me by three hundred finishes behind the typewriter. That's the whole thing and that that has been the case. I mean repeatedly You know year in year out And you know either either leveraging the winner or building building a ticket that you know that includes the obviously the you know the major the major breath contenders the right way is is invariably is invariably win I'm trying to think of the I don't know if it was was it. Look at Fort Learned. That sounds right going. I've I've got I've got. I've got stacks of between NEC lane to win to win the contest. Lord sounds rate. I gone back over. It's fascinating to watch all different. People play the contest because there is no right or wrong way to play it I I played like I said I'm forty two completely different Lena last year then this year just because of the circumstances and when I like particular horses of situations so you gotTa being adaptable on this thing and and you have to be willing to fire. And there's no reason to play well and you know you look at the total one hundred thirty eighty seven thousand four hundred and then how much how much for the placing one. Twenty six one twenty-six so over one hundred over two hundred and sixty combined signed and you you know you hit three essentially three bats You know the correct Yup when it was all said and done and all three were exactness actes. That's been an exact a player my whole life. It's what I learned when I grew up in Maryland. Playing Exact Pemba when you you could only only get denominations no higher than twenty dollars at the exact a window. ooh I figured I ever had was Race Chemicals Serventi Eight. I don't remember a lot of names anymore. But Tiger Castle over who tech for sixty one eighty J. Edgar hoover handicap but come Akot at five twenty dollar exact tickets and a man big radio. I talked about earlier. He walked me to my colour across the street across Northern Parkway in the park and the next day I started coming in the park. That's the life changing score. Correct three thousand seventy. I've told my my first. IRS ticket was was an exact as as well and With Mikey Arrow keynote speaker and Balan are the Third Race Alabama Day at Saratoga Ninety Ninety go for one and When the machine jammed up I was like what's wrong? What happens because this is an? IRS ticket. I said what does that. Let me go idea. What do you mean Iris Ticket? What does that pay taxes on this tax? All right. Well I've been I've plus I had been in Montreal. I would be at that point in Montreal for the next ten years and John Fielding Taught Me that too at Greenwood I sort of I sort of alligator armed. He told me bet these horses in the in the try and decide that a small try and he he he comes back he comes back literally with you. Know with stacks of money and and he said how'd you do. I said well you know I did so well. Why didn't you say well? I didn't want to get it I was. I was worried about the tax taxes. You're in Canada. There's no there's no gambling winnings tax here a country that actually okay right. Unbelievable what do you. What do you suggest suggest for people who and contests players are not Dick for people that you know would consider? This was seventy five hundred dollar investment and the for the bankroll. There's there's people that are going to bet some. You know some portion of that or or that that much. I mean if you bet this much money on the Breeders Cup annually. Shouldn't people be playing in the contest. Basically you're paying paying twenty five hundred dollars for the privilege of trying to win some of the contests money right. You put up ten grand give you seventy five hundred So that that's that's the beauty contests and Look Brad one over. What three hundred and fifty thousand for winning the contest? So that's that's what you're in there for. Obviously I'm going to be better. And more than seventy five hundred the Breeders Cup so and I like playing Qatar attests. Oh yeah I I think it's a fun thing to do. And there's a ton of ways to qualify like I said I qualified on the Santa Anita Conscious Express. Bet The last weekend and there's contest all all year long you can try to qualify for this where you don't have to put up the grand So I I I like the competition The fact that there's four hundred fifty people there and you just trying to I think everybody and that everybody just A. It's a fun thing to do and I would recommend it's really well run all all the folks that are involved right upped Jim Goodman. WHO's The guy who looks at all the pets afterwards and decide? Everything is on the up and up and and Just all everybody everybody involved in the cockpit just really really good people going to take advantage of your buyer associates expertise and and ask about what you what your impression was of the main track going into Friday through Friday and then how things things evolve and you know we know we know how it ended but in terms of of how heavy and slow going. What was your read on and and what What the track was was doing During the week and and through the weekend was interesting one of the reasons. I spun spun to run for a lot of reasons but I thought Santa Anita track was a lot like parks little heavier and slower So I thought that would be helpful. I didn't think you could make up a ton up ground on either day I am. I didn't look at his speed. Favoring and other people who thought maybe the rail is okay I I. I'll be honest with you. I haven't looked back enough enough steve to have a great sense of it as the cords. Were going on seem to me for the most part the best horses were winning or the right horses. Were winning at it see like etc mark two years ago. If you weren't sweeping four wide you had no chance. I didn't see that kind of a racetrack at all I didn't see horses inhibited by the racetrack tracker where they were styles of running so seem to be it was a pretty fair track and the figures I thought well you you look at how the numbers stacked up and there was a particularly Saturday was a pretty impressive day of racing when you know and when you're going to go back I mean the totally Vino spun to run Kafi and a blue prize but if the just tremendous performance for for a lot of career-best fires from horses. You were brought in by great trainers. I mean Steve with me holy and Todd pletcher with Vino Roseau came made it great performances the best performances our lives got well On next year at Keeneland and plenty of Plenty of action in between any Any any championship thoughts that cemented in coming out of the out of the Cup for you pick got my like bricks and mortar. Yeah I would say that. That's going to send my affinity for that race. I think it's pretty good mortaring but totally I think bricks and mortar will win If somebody told me Mottola one I would feel bad about it. I'll probably vote for bricks and mortar. But it's still well and and Certainly for the mid Atlantic region and For The for the Jersey Pennsylvania Delaware aware Maryland coalition Having my trump beddoe with perhaps the best two year old in the country kind of a fun kind of a fun winter maybe as I had absolutely. That's two years in a row. A Park space tourist as Breeders Cup Race Jaywalk last transponder on this year as well. It's fun to run it. I can't wait to see spun. Iran the cigar mile gets a maximum security. That's gotTa be fun. Absolutely and and plus there's there's plenty of interesting supporting putting Players that are are going to line up and yeah I I listen to this I think other other than the sadness associated and and the you know the the difficulty associated with The Mongolian groom situation it. It it was it was a you know a good weekend racing and and you can't. You can't be embarrassed to have enjoyed it and you know. Come Away with with satisfied with satisfaction. As a as there's a horse player now agree. It really was great racing just a just not the ending. None of us wanted to see but yeah it's just if you like great racing. There wasn't much better than San Diego but those two days. It's not Dick. This was a lot of fun. I I guess. I guess. This is an annual thing. Now if if you're going to complain and right next year after I'd love addict Girardi everybody and Dick in all the various capacity's buyer associates and is his work That appears in the form and on the on the Philadelphia Sports Front. It's always a pleasure. Thanks a lot you gotta thank you fix your body. How much fun was that? Eddie Sterling GonNa join us in a little bit here The the break Ed to Rosa. We're going to get an ED cameo appearance in advance of tomorrow's pick five I I asked He and scully who could Go through the races. I want you to be well prepared for tomorrow races. Six through ten hin and it seems very approachable the NIGHTCAP I dunno the nightcap I think just to hear what ED S- thoughts are but I I thought the the contenders are very evident. That doesn't mean they're all gonna come through but we'll do that as well. Andrew Learner as I mentioned it shouldn't and more at the races back after this anti sterling joins us it's with feedback on Sirius. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 4/14/20--Guest Ron Moquett

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 4/14/20--Guest Ron Moquett

"Maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host. Jason Be Ronnie good of Tuesday morning. Y'All welcome into the Jason Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires with the here on this Tuesday April the fourteenth and week marching on got a lot of I've been Spent a big chunk of my Monday doing research for our my interview with Andrew Hawkins coming up for tomorrow show and we're having Jake Williams on us and Australian is just feeling very aussie this week. very excited for our guest today. I know that sometimes interviews with anybody jockeys trainers announcers anybody Some could be good. Some can be bad. Some can be in between sometimes. It's my fault sometimes. It's nobody's fault. Sometimes it's just You know conversation Rondo cat. Who JOINS US? Today I thought was such a great guy to interview. Took every question ran with it. Which is what interviewers. Like me love if you ever hear me having to work hard because You know getting a lot of one word answers and stuff. That's not fun for me. I like to let the guest control the conversation. Take those questions and go with them. I'm excited for you guys to hear this interview. I think you will enjoy it. Of course he can sit out whitmore this weekend in the count fleet. We'll talk a little bit about Whitmore. Talk About Ron's rise to training and his barn at Oaklawn and much much more coming up on today's show. I have a few bits. I want to talk about any few moments as I mentioned. Andrew Hawkins GonNa join us down from Australia to talk Australian racing. I've been watching every night but I'm watching it as from a strictly okay. This is fun to watch good grass racing kind of situation. I still don't know a lot about the circuits. The tracks the not rules but just racing general down there. It's it's obviously a little different and so looking forward to talking to Andrew and get a little bit of an Australia primer because there's some awesome racing going on there each and every night that you can no wager on on twin spires and as Mitch Williams. From the business of betting. Podcast will join US later on in the week for our Horse Player. Thursday segment so looking forward to all of that coming up and of course our jury friends and weekend previews and Yada Yada Yada so some news stuff that came out in the last couple of days. I don't know if this was the the big thing yesterday. But it certainly peaked. My interest that the Jockey Club of Saudi Arabia has put on hold Saudi Cup payments and of course the maximum security won the race and eight days later Jason Service along with the others were indicted with charges of race fixing and doping and all that good stuff so the Jockey Club of Saudi Arabia announced on Monday that they are aware that Mr Jason Service Trainer maximum-security the First Place Horse in the Saudi Cup has been indicted in the United States of America on Charges Relating Administration of Substances. Two horses in training under his care and control The Jockey Club of Saudi Arabia is conducting its own investigation in respect to the allegations and tell that investigation is concluded. Jcs's will withhold payment of prize money due to all connections of horses placed in prize winning positions in the Saudi Cup race eight so just the Saudi Cup finals it's been made communicated privately to the connections of Saudi Cup runners. So what I was thinking my first thought when I read that was well I thought was good. I mean it should be investigated Gary West. The owner even said it's much he said that Where did it? Where's where's his quote at? I forget where it says you. Basically Oh hearing. Is he goes. I agree it's appropriate for the Saudis to conduct their own investigation so good on Gary for For say that but so my first thought was okay. Good that's something that that should happen. My second thought was Jeff Bloom. Bloom racing manabe sue. He's basically right now. In what is going to be the longest waiting at the longest inquiry of his life for eight million dollars. I think they got two million for. Is that right? Two million for second or was four million. I think maybe it's formula. So maybe it's six million dollar Weight but I mean can you imagine like he's going to you know a lot of money and obviously midnight earnings go skyrocketing. I if if she put up in that race but then Mike Smith I think his fine and suspension got upheld basically so he'll make a little bit more but he'll also find more because I wouldn't his share be a million bucks then and I think he has to pay sixty percent it or something like that to them and then with taxes and everything. I mean Mike Standard. You know one hundred one hundred fifty thousand after pays agent everything off but I mean Yeah Bloom. Essentially is is waiting to get put up for For six million dollars more and that to me is bonkers to think about but They said because of the Kovin situation the investigation is not yet concluded. There would be no further statement. So I don't know if they have the means to test for the things that it was revealed that service had had said he was using in the FBI reports. I don't know if there's a timeline on you know I mean. Can you get sample? I mean I guess. They have samples post race. So maybe Maybe they you know. But I you know disciples last. I don't I don't know anything about that world so I guess it's A mistake to sit and try to evaluate how that's going to happen but I'm glad that they're doing that. I mean it's like it sounds like I guess for for Bloom and for the other runners up they haven't gotten anything either and it said it. Suspending all payments. So you know Jeff and company they. They took their horse over there. They did everything right and ran well and so far have gotten zero for it. I'm sure a lot of travel was paid for. I think I heard that a lot of the travel. There was paid for from speaking of turn with that. I Apologize But Crazy situation the first ever Saudi Cup. Very much Under you know under the spotlight but also like man. What a what a circus that. This whole thing is kind of turned into you know. Obviously we don't know what racing is going to be like in a year's time If they if they choose to run it again you know I mean certainly everything is Kind of on hold now but It's it's kind of nuts to think about how that first addition of that races gone a little bit goofy. The other piece of news I wanted to touch on was the Ricardo Santana suspension at Oaklawn Ricardo suspended for ten days for careless riding at Oaklawn in the suspension. Supposed to take place April seventeenth through may the second says he's allowed to continue to ride stakes. Racists I've never really gotten that whole thing. It's pretty consistent around racing that you can. If you're suspended still ride the stakes races like you know. The punishment for a crime is supposed to penalize you but also hopefully prevent you from making the mistake again so you know you know what you're losing missing out on now if he's suspended for. I guess if there's somebody suspended for something you know the horses get taken down. A rider takes their best measures to try to prevent it. But you know still cuts in front of somebody You know I mean I guess I are. You know you're not teaching them a lesson. I so much in that sense you know. They tried their best. But if you watch the replay so I honestly was expecting the visual. Be Way worse than it was. He comes up the inside of David Cohen Horse. They get real close Ricardo. You know these Jackie. Always see him. You know Kinda pumping their arms and elbows at the Horse. He kind of gave a few shifts to to Cohen while they were going now. Cohen Actually tweeted out David Cohen. Not to mention some chores choice words while he was doing this. I'm sure he was saying not nice things to David as he was elbowing him. This was purely intentional intentional and malicious as it gets. There's no place for this in racing especially in Oakland anywhere If you WANNA throw elbows joined the UFC or maybe that's not your cup of tea question. Mark Question Mark so I thought it was interesting the Coen spoke and of course he had issue. He was suspended for last year. You got it reduced down to five days. But when I watched the video like I said I didn't. It didn't look to me like it was all that much. The more I thought about it. It was like you know with what they're doing. You just can't be doing anything remotely close to that There's just too much risk and danger involved with it. You know like I said I I know you know. The Nascar term rubbed his Reysen. But in a like I said I pass. I was kind of like oh I mean come on. You know they're tight. He's being a jerk or whatever but after thinking about it like you just can't be risking other guys lives and gamblers dollars. I mean imagine if his horse doesn't beat Cohen's because he's sitting there screwing around elbow in the guy and he missed the second place. I mean the the amount of money that changes hands because of that from the IRS is a lot so I I'm not opposed to the suspension and I'm not opposed and I'm kind of an proposed. Everybody gets their chance to appeal. But I'm kind of opposed to the idea of. Oh you're suspended. You did something really reckless but you can still ride in the stakes races. Of course of course you can still ride those like. That's the real. Those are the real penalty right. I mean he's asked guy is going to be with him. You know regardless when this is over you would think and so you know. Why does he get to still ride the big races where the big money is being made? I mean I know the oaklawn runs for a lot of money and I'm sure that Ricardo's finances are just fine. He's made a ton of money the last few years. But like if you're going to penalize them penalize them that's just kind of my thought on that let's say speaking of let's take a short time out. We come back Ron Marquette's GONNA join us Really excited for this interview. Hope you guys joint. We'll be right back after a short time. Jason B Morse Racing. Podcasts brought to you by twin. Spires twin. Spires is your home for wagering. On horse racing from all around the world sign up today and take advantage of our one hundred dollars. Sign up bonus when you wear your five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances live video race replays realtime racing information and much more plus you can now split tickets with other players using bet share of program on twin spires that allows players to split their bets with other members for more information visit twin spires dot com. The Jason Being horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation? Join host Jason Bean. Has He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires DOT COM or on. Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires are back here on Jason. Beam horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires and pleased to welcome in our next guest whose multiple grade one winning trainer currently based at Oaklawn Park very pleased to welcome in Ron Marquette to the show ron how are you. I'm doing great. How are you? We're doing good We're speaking on a Monday. I feel like normally this time of year. Hot Springs would be buzzing with tourist. The town feel pretty empty right now. It it it's very empty. It's very different than what we're used to here but This seems to be the new normal for a while. And we'll just to adapt and try to overcome our. I forget I know some tracks have different. Rules are are they allowing owners to come to the track for the races at oaklawn changed their policy several times to accommodate whatever the governors and the health departments want but I believe that an owner with a particular horse can come for that race and then he has to leave. Okay here. She has to leave but that that could have changed. Since the last time I saw couple of weeks ago I was I was talking about the other day on the show. It seemed like things were changing by the hour. And for you guys I imagine it. It is as well. I imagine. It's Kinda changed the communication. I mean I mentioned. You're a lot more time on the phone with owners than normal. Yeah and we. We've learned Words like Policy and protocol and And you know temperatures. You know as far as like what everybody has to do. I mean there's so many different things we have to go through now that we didn't but We're we're very grateful and thankful that we're running and Being able to care for the horses and and You know in in today's times we're we're just happy. We're being able to put on a little show for everyone that that Would like something to do on a on a weekend afternoon. Watch races yeah. It's it's certainly I mean as as a fan of stuff it's helped to keep everybody engaged but I mean somebody that works in the business. I mean if there's no tracks to talk about the show so I'm I'm more than thrilled. You guys get to run. Let's say let's talk about the the weekend. I saw an ice maiden special weight win. With a prodigious bay who had been sprinting and had kind of been a close up tight but got to the League going to turn. It was cyanide. Do you think it was more getting the lead to himself or was it more of the two turns you think for him well after his first race we we knew that when. I bought the Horse. I wanted the front running route horse and whenever we we've found him we thought menace. This sucker has gotten got a quick twitch reaction out of the gates he's He's very fast. But it looks like you can go whole day. So Was very happy with our first race. I hardly ever start one out to turn. I'll give them a couple short races. Before and the first race super impressed he ran second to the eventual risen star winner or third to the eventual risen star winner. And and did everything the right way and we thought well. We'll win with him. When we're around the clock and then stretch him out and you know the second race was just a head scratcher. We had no idea why he didn't perform like we thought he would. And just decided to to mark it up as a bad experience and move forward and and Told told trading to try to get him to the front from whatever it costs go to the front. Said if he's not if he's not fit enough if haven't been brought it. The eighth pony not fit enough to finish strong. Then that's on me. It's not used so you go ahead and do what you gotTa do getting there at that point and it worked out very well and we're we. We knew that he could run. And we were happy to see in You Know Kinda reassure our belief that in general when you have a horse who who's not raced yet. Do you have a pretty decent idea of what they're running style is going to be whether it be front runner stocker closer ordeal? You have to take a racer to to kind of get a feel for what you know. Maybe the horses natural tendencies are well. The quick answer is that every horse is different I've had horses. That showed absolutely no no game this or want to in the morning and then in the afternoon it it comes up and and you know. They're they're different horses. I've had horses that That look look like they were going to be superstars in the morning and they were really giving you all they had then and there wasn't another gear for when the lights come on so You know you can get styles like if they if you think that they can relax out of the gate and they're very tactical and and can can put themselves in the rider's hands. That's that's what I like and you know I I can see if there if what they're teaching ability is and what they will how they will accommodate the the rider and trainer but for the most part. You know I'd say trial and error. Romo joining us here on the and be more racy podcasts. I I know I think a lot of people associate you with Oakland. You've been a pretty regular this meat for quite a while. When did you start coming hot springs? This is my twenty first year at Oakland Keelan and Churchill and All all about the same you know I mean. I had three three years two years where I went to the East Coast instead of going to Kentucky primarily but I've always come to Oakland. They're they're very You know friendly towards trainers they have always you know my my family can come from from you know I lived about. I was raised about three hours. Two and a half hours north. So it's it's a close I'm GonNa get to to my family so That coupled with a pretty lucrative purse scheduled makes oaklawn one of my one of my favorite spot. You know looking at your training records. I know you'll sometime. Send some fairgrounds particularly. Are you know before Oakland starts? But I saw this show Set some at Sam. Houston I is that mainly for the grass horses and horses who might not be best at Oaklawn or you just like to get some runs in a different tracks. It's it's you're right. It's mainly for the for the grass horses and the horses that I don't feel that can compete at Oaklawn Will you know? There's you can find a spot geographically for every horse if you're if you let your ego out of the game and and and try to put it in a position to where it can be successful and I've tried to to do that over the years you know and put a horse in. That may not finished in the top. Three or four and Oakland and try to move it around and try spot that you can Houston was very good for that this year and they had some nice races. It wasn't like it was easy down there. It was but you know I kind of went away from fairgrounds because it seemed like they were focusing more on the Louisiana breads. And I don't have any so I noticed that I was being automatically whenever I get the condition buck I look through there and see you know several days that was just losing breads and several every day they've got you know three or four and and you know I get it but it's just not the game that I'm playing so I had to to Try something a little different and Houston. Houston's per structure led me down there so I was very happy. Yeah it seem like there was a number of Barnes that Kinda gave Sam. Houston a trial run this year and they do put together. I think a kind of a nice fund competitive meeting. It's it's nice having the tracks in the evening too. I know for the betters. It's good to have one that you can come home after after work. Now now you winter it oaklawn in summer as I said it seems like you kind of base out of Kentucky you'll run. I mean prairie meadows and a lot of different spots. I imagine you guys got a lot of a lot of fans going throughout the summer months. Yeah we we try to you know I. I don't start off with super cells topper horses that I can just set some place and go. Hey we're going to be successful right here because this is where we wanna be you to kind of adapt and overcome with what you've got and we're trying to make every horse as profitable as possible and sometimes that means getting a. Horse van and go to another spot and we'll do that Our goal is is to have every horse that is oaklawn team and Saratoga style quality. But if it's not I'm not GonNa just discard them and and send them off. I'M GONNA try to figure out a way to to make those horses be a valuable product. I'm always fascinated by people's paths to horse racing so many trainers and jockeys. We talked to come from families with big racing backgrounds. But you're kind of rare trainer that that didn't really have a lot of family connections to racing right. Yeah none. We had no family involved. It was A I used to use the box and I'd play all kinds of sports and I had friends that That would go to the mattresses and they were friends of mine from other sports and I was like probably always loved animals. First and foremost I mean. I didn't care if it was if it was a a cat dog. Chicken Whatever I wanted to make it a pet and and I really find comfort more around animals and I do people so I knew I wanted to do something with animals and whenever I was able to go to the mattresses and see all the craziness and drama that comes from that it got me interested in in the sport and then luckily I had a friend of Mine's dad put me on a horse when I was weighed about one hundred and thirty five pounds. And he told me saw me fight once and said you know you might have to find another line of work. have you ever thought about galloping resources and it's like no But anyway I fell in love. And if you ever get around race horses thoroughbreds. They will imprint. You that you will be a fan. And that's all I wanted to do from the very first time I said on affiliate name Allah Sonia. Miss I. That's what I was GonNa do and and you know it was hard. It was so hard we're guy can you know can come from where I found to try to to get you know everyone knows. I moved into attack broom at Oaklawn Park and worked for trainers just to try to get my foot in the door and and would do everything I could do for any anybody and whole you know hall. Hey Hall feed hold. Horses for Blacksmith Clip Horses take courses on racing at returns just to be near the sport because of the fact that I didn't have an end to to To a big outfitter a family. That would would help me out. I mean there is a little bit of a bubble obviously and just getting to the backstretch is not necessarily the easiest thing right now but Did you have to kind of do a lot of trainers will work for various different barnes and kind of L- learn the trade but also work their way up was kind of your path as well before you went out on your own but yeah it was kinda weird because I had horses on my own from the time I was probably sixteen and Seventeen and and I was training them and doing everything to them and and then I decided I wanted to do for a living and I realized that that that was not possible unless -less I learned more about how they do things other than blue ribbon downs and whatever and luckily I ran across You know who I think is a very very good horseman. Berni Flint and A friend introduce me and he told me you know he didn't know me from a Lotta. Hey I mean he just knew that High fought and tough man fights and he liked that so he said yeah. If you don't want my but you know if you if I get onto you you can come. And he didn't say but I but So he he let me Let me work for him. And you know you think you know and then you know somebody that knows and it shows you what you don't know right so Bernie Barney was was very Was was a very colorful and fun guy to pick up some stuff from and always appreciated his his base knowledge of how to buy a horse. And and you know wasn't a whole lot of hey call. Let's call Dr. See what he thinks he was a he can tell what was going on with a horse. physically pretty easy without a whole lot of studying and I always thought that was super cool and and wanted to someway emulate that love rumour catch joining us here on the program early on and when you do go out on your own you know the process of building up a stable and establishing the bar and everything where you're running a lot of your own horses before you had clients or were you able to kind of get new clients Pretty early on in the game no The IF I had it to do over with I would tell everyone. Do you WanNa be successful quick or do you want to feel competent. What you know and then I would tell them the two the two options you could be more successful by working for a large name trainer with a great reputation and a lot of clients for four or five years. And then go out on your own and usually working for Lucas or motte or or you know some of these other big outfits. They set you up and you get contacts. Which more than anything is the most important thing So you'd get a chance to be successful more earlier but if you want to feel like you can handle any situation then you go out and you get you some some cheaper horses and you work your way up and get you know overlooked and and and still to this day. I am my biggest owner I have a lot more wealthy owners you know and successful in the business owners but I am my biggest owner in numbers. Every year I buy more horses for me than than any other clients. Give me and luckily my best horses have always been horses that I bought and sold a piece of so. We're you know. Luckily that come from the confidence knowing that I didn't I didn't need you know the great Financial backing that. A lot of people get to go and try to be successful. I I really heard your name but when you won the grade one Stephen Foster Churchill with the seat gold back in two thousand six and I I watched it. It's it's kind of funny we had on this week. I watched that replay about a week or two ago. I was thinking about my old friend. Luke cripe boss who called that race and I just wanted to hear his voice and that was like the first race popped up and I had forgotten just how far out of it he was. Were you watching the race live on track or TV because on TV? You don't see him till the last twenty or thirty yards. I was okay when you know where the tunnel is where you come into the pattern. The famous tunnel. Yeah Yeah so. That's where the track crew and the the racing office people set So I they never told me I couldn't go in there so I just watched my horses run from there and it was you know you had a TV. But she was out of the way. And I can't stand to watch it around people that are screaming even though that's their right and I love that they do it but I want to focus on my horse. I WANNA see head carriage white distribution. I WanNa see you know energy. I WANNA watch the rider's hands and I don't care about you. Know the exact cause of somebody that you know or anything. So that's what I would go watch it. And I watched the entire race right there with some racing officials in the track man and they never knew. I had a horse in the race until the last probably ten yards. Where I I yelled at the top of my lungs you know. Get up booed which means you know. Calvin come on come on Calvin and that's That's when I knew that I had one in there and I mean it was a razor tight photo. Did you think you got a I watch or did you have to sweat it out now? I I didn't think we had it. I didn't know and I was like the Guy Being Huffman Was standing there with Donny. Richardson and some of the officials and they go. You might have won this thing and I was like you know those superstar. I'm I'm not a superstitious. But I'm a little spacious and you don't want to be told you don't want to be told you want it so I walked away like discount on like leave me alone talk to me you know so. I walked down and stand there while they circled and whenever they threw up my number I you know I did a a little banshee dance and was very very happy. Cop perfect drift. Who was a really cool? Classy horse there. You're really took off after that. And a couple of years after that had horses gentleman's bed eventually whitmore and whitmore is such an interesting and he's just one of those cool horses that's been able to go for a long time. But his debut he won like a like a monster but he was fifteen one so that you know the betters weren't necessarily on him. Was it a surprise to you that day that he won like he did or were expecting that no I. I bought my house with that race. I bought and it's no exaggeration. Anyone from the back. You can talk to Gary. Hart have burned Zito everyone that I could tell that. I thought this horse was live and Gary Hart clock sources right beside me and I know he made it killing two but Have burned had the favorite in there and actually took my jockey and I told him you know told. The trainer actor does like a man. That really surprised me that that you got my writer he goes Ron. You know. I'm I made the five and the race. He's GonNa ride for me like yeah but I'm GonNa win it and he so anyways we talk a little snack and had fun but I did. I bet for me. It's a ton of money but I bet like seventeen hundred dollars and I did it with Three super apart wills Try Factors. I did everything I could do. And I ended up winning enough to buy me a house on Southern Parkway unbelievable I love that yeah I I had a friend. He he was Jackie agent and his rider won the big race at Emerald. He got he got his five thousand dollars. Charity like this huge news big screen. Tv and put a label on it called Sabertooth. That was the worst that want it. So that's up that T. TV's forever saver too. But obviously he's he's kind of been the horse for you at this point and took to the Kentucky Derby. He didn't win any of the preps but he was. You know he's hit the board and all of them. How long after the Derby? 'cause you guys gave him some time did you kind of say. Okay. We're going back to sprint with the source. You know I kept waiting for him to hit a A growth spurt and look like a rattlers You know he was doing it. He's Bob pleasantly perfect. And you know he's out of a scat daddy marriage and it looked like he's supposed to be bred to and he had this massive kick and I thought to myself why is he built like a cinderblock. You know. I mean he's going to have to develop and I thought well he's late late three-year-old maybe. We'll give him some time and see if he develops a little bit and when he come out of the Derby we. We had a little Hiccup with him when we fixed it and give him some time and my deal is like we're going to start him short no matter what because I'm an athlete. I know that you need to you. Don't need to go full speed out. It reduces your longevity if you go full speed out of the greater distance to me you. You waste races in the morning and I don't WanNa do that so I give them a raise short and and the thing that made me think more was definitely a sprinter regardless the pedigree was the fact that he did not seem fatigued after brilliant performances. Going short where he would take him a little bit going monitor sixteenth among eight when he running against cupid and and and those creator and those horses you know it would take him a little bit too catches breath and to come back to me in the mornings and it was amazing to me how easy he could go one eight and change and be literally pulled out before he reached the test. So I thought you know if you're horsemen and you love your horses and why would you do something that that they have to struggle to? It's just easier on him to sprint. He's he's obviously had such a great run. The last few years I is there a personal highlight for you. A of his many wins and great races. Well the quick answer would be the the forego Because that was a great one and beat a you know beat a really nice horse that they ended up winning the I think that horse come back to to win a brief cup mile and then go on to win the The big raise the Pegasus. I believe but That's that's one but the Phoenix is a is a big race to me because it's so old and I'm a. I'm a racing fan and it doesn't matter the person's do matter 'cause you have to pay the bills but you can if you can win the races that mean something to you. The names you know. The Phoenix and and count fleet and and forego. Those are all names that that when I wake up in the morning if you told me you could be the leading trainer at Churchill downs by wins by thirty or you could win four races. And it'd be the you know the Stephen Foster the the studies and you know those kinds of races I would take the four. I don't care about leading trainer. I WANNA win races. That means something and those are the ones that probably are the ones that that mean the most to me. You mentioned Count Fleet. Is that the next on the agenda for him. Down at OAKLAWN. Yes we'll be in the count fleet if we can and And look for another. You know another huge Kinda good field. I think Obviously without keeneland being able to have their their big race that seven eight and Churchill's not being able to have the Churchill Handicap at seven eighths and Gulfstream not able to have their spent. A lot of horses are coming from a lot of different places. So you're kinda getting a preview of whatever's the best out there will be in the count fleet. Yeah I yeah. I saw Petrov was nominated account fleet but I know he just ran this past weekend. I got to call him at colonial and he's just been a cool horse over the years. He's he's had a bit of a tough run lately. What are your thoughts on the current status of him and possibly how to get him back? Doan he's a beautiful horse and he's In the morning time he'd make you think that you want to you know better you want I. I've got to figure out what it is that that That will get him over the Hump. He's he's happy he's in sound and doing everything the right way. I'm just sometimes you got to back up a little bit to move forward. And that's probably what we're trying to do with him. He's won some really big races and and You know run some big races team in and Saratoga and Oaklawn but I need to. I need to get him to get over this little dry spell and and that sometimes you gotta do that about backing up. And I think we'll just try to find him a level that he feels competitive and see if I can pump his ego back up to where he wants to win. Romo catch joining us here. Ron Thank you so much time really appreciate wish you the best of luck in the count fleet and going forward to thanks so much. Hey thanks for having me. It was fun all right. We'll be right back after short-time Addison Jason Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device but we also have great offers for our players visit twin spires dot com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick four bonuses to win Sheri- thoroughbred to Hornets. We have offers and promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what offers are available to you all right thanks to Ron Marquette. Hope you guys enjoyed that chat with Ron. I sure did it's always fun. Get to talk to people in the sport. Shout to chance Marquette. Who helped to make the booking made it happen? Thanks chance you co producer credit here on the J. H. R. P. Which is very very important very privileged a thing to be Looking forward to our conversation with a couple of Aussies the next couple of days as Inter Hawkins GonNa Join US tomorrow and Jake Williams from the business of betting. Podcast GONNA join us on Thursday for Horse player Thursday. We'll get you ready for the weekend as we always do. I was working on southbound. The script actually. I'm more on southbound the outline and finally got approval to move to the script after after all it's been like nine months or a year of working on the the outline this this whole so for those don't know if you're new to the show. I at novel published back in two thousand fourteen called southbound you could find it at Amazon or Barnes and noble or Powells or wherever you get your books and You know to horse racing themed novel and some producers in La had had purchased the movie rights and they wanted me to take a crack writing the script it was not a bestselling book by any means Selling a book to Film Studio as just a book when it's not a bestseller. They said it's kind of impossible so they said you know we're going to try to work it into a script and then we'll try to sell the script. They say that it's much easier. These guys have had success doing that kind of stuff. So I'm following their lead and they're paying me so that was good too but yeah I was so excited I felt like because the story is going to be much different than the book Same LINEAR half but a new second main character and You know cement some different You know different things happen and so it's been a process. I'm excited to kind of get unleashed on the formal script writing now. I don't know what I'm doing but I think I can tell a story and I think that's the main part at this point. I think the script writing you know the formatting and stuff is what I'm most scared I think I can tell the story and I think I can make an interesting so we'll see what happens but that was. That was a nice part of my of my Monday. Get that down. Talk to Gabe. Pruitt my buddy from pop out a day and I was missing the pop a little bit so I called game and just had him recite some of his famous lines that he doesn't know and chatted with him for a bit but I've really found that making a lot of phone calls and talking to folks for more extended period. Time is really made this whole thing. This pandemic A little bit easier. Because there's just I realize this weekend like I haven't had I haven't had a hug in a month and a half. I haven't shaken a hand. You know you exchange the closest I've gotten is like when you exchange cash at the store and then you run straight to your car and sanitize yourself so but hope everybody's doing okay out there. Keep those emails coming Jason Charles. Beam ITCHY MEL DOT COM. If you guessed you'd like to hear from or topics you'd like to be discussed. I had a really good email conversation with a listener talking about hedging because in light of that the big pick five scores Kinda curious my thoughts on that. I've shared my thoughts on hedging in general here. I'm not really much of team hedge but I think that might be a good conversation for later in the week to talk about. I know it's something we've talked about before but I have a little bit of A. I think a more better explained approach to the idea than than maybe I did before so But always willing to hear your thoughts on all this stuff. You can email me. Jason Charles. Beam ACHY MELT DOT COM. My thanks Toronto Kit for joining us. My thanks to you guys out there and listener land. We'll be back tomorrow for a tax day edition of the program even though I think we still got three months to do our taxes so I will see guys back tomorrow.

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Part 3: Ed De Rosa, Mike Welsch, Jeff Siegel

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Part 3: Ed De Rosa, Mike Welsch, Jeff Siegel

"Morning Happy New Year. Good Morning Happy New Year. Good good to have you back this week. hopefully Good respite for you looking forward to a big twenty twenty absolutely Louis and I will. I will give you the floor. Always kids you. It seems every year about this but Explain your rationale when it comes to the The the ballot Well for me It's sort of a two part approach to voting Steve Because as you mentioned finalists are determined differently than the winners Only the first place vote in each category counts toward determining determining the actual winner. So obviously I I hate to say that I take that more seriously. Because it's all serious being a finalist is important Horton to connections etc.. So I don't downplay that by any means but obviously the the winners the most valuable and and I try not to to you get cute or be political or make statements with the first place. Vote because that's the one that counts in terms of who gets to raise the statue you the second and third place votes are determined finalists and there are times category to category where they'll be a a pet caused so the speed you know. Maybe it's an opportunity to say man. I really liked the this owner You know like Gary West I voted third. I know he's taken his lumps I just think he put a lot into the game and He thought he won the dirty for however moments before he probably realized he was getting and You know I- slotted in third with that in mind I see the third best owner most important owner most successful owner probably not last year. But again I I just thought that was the opportunity you know. Put them in there. I just came to mind when I thought owner So that's that sort of a two parter for me. Is You know certain categories who just have an opportunity when there's an absolute slammed on for the winner You know maybe maybe. There's some reasoning to to give someone or some mention and that's not every category. Sometimes you like older female for me. Mid Nineties it was a slam dunk onc regardless of what happened on Breeders Cup Day And Blue Prize was going to be second. I mean she wanted to Breeders Cup. I I'm not looking to you. Know be be to to Contradictory categories just for the sake of generating debate. But I do feel like there are occasions where you know you can give horse some some some credit or a nod to in for third or second knowing that you're not disrupting the vote for actual for so that's the thought process process for me Category to category and then the ever popular abstention in the steeplechase Or not so popular with I I actually feel like it's a different sport. I don't pay attention to it and I feel like regardless of category for me. It's people chase but I mean do use an extreme example. Let's say for whatever reason you are totally out of touch with the sprinters this year if you you need to use the materials provided by daily racing form to completely fill out your ballot and I'm not talking about refreshing your memory or making fine line decision regions between second and third based on earnings. Or whatever variable you choose. I'm talking about man. I need to crack. Open these peas and decide who had the best year based on what I see in front of me. You shouldn't be voting in that category so I don't in that category But otherwise overall I thought top. It's about him at least as far as I first place votes though this was the least controversial year I can remember you. He didn't vote in in in breeder or or the apprentice right apprentices. There's another one year to year. I don't The reason apprenticed. I don't believe is a lot of high quality apprentice jockeys not you know deciding napping out their career where they're starting out or circus. I don't pay as much attention to and I don't think it's fair To decide a war base. Now this guy or Gal won the most races or earn the most money because circuit the circuits. That's especially especially is you know you're riding every day or you're hungry jeans Cliche That's that's not necessarily the the fairest way in my mind. It's not fair way away in any of the categories but especially in apprentice. It just seems like you know people walk to the most wins and you know on is probably the best indicator year to year. Baby I mean if you had to pick one I guess that would be but I like to feel like I have a feel for you. Know whether it's writers Sir trainers are owners. What they're doing with their operation and their career and I just don't have that the apprentice category as for Breeder I I toyed with doing this way for owner to to be honest. I I'm just sick The award going to whoever has the most and you know whatever. Category People feel Bieler fashionable at the time. And you know if there were triple crown winner that sort of an obvious one or you know a breeder set some sort of record but I just felt like this. You're I didn't there wasn't even a group in my mind. That sort of came to mind and I think maybe that could have been an opportunity. The need for me to award of an operation. I have a lot of respect for that well. But in the end with breeder I just feel like you know John John Sparkman who I work with the thoroughbred times back in the day are bloodstock editor. He he was a he was of the mind that maybe that's a committee Type Award Award that you know I feel about that either. 'cause then it's SORTA insider I probably should have put more work into it and do it but the time it's just kind of felt like a protest vote against the machine just for the most money. Well and I- I rail against that the concept is well l. and the some one dimensional thinking but it you know it. It's an area that you know over the course of of of a season that almost by as most is there should be some. You know some feel for what what breeder has had a particularly strong year. I mean for me it must have been around summer and it's September when and then certainly as James said earlier I I kind of knew early on that. Godolphin was was my leader in the clubhouse based on just a just a outlandish number of winners That they were breeding in prior years. You Know Hertrich and fielding have been a bit of a cause celebre for me. I you know the they didn't have as big an impact this particular year. But I know I know it. I mean the to me the way to protest the is to is to find somebody that you know. It was very deserving of attention and championing them. I mean that that that's part of the you know that's part of the appeal of being involved in in this vote and also contributing to hall of fame voting and so forth And you now you mentioned about the second and third place votes and and I do the same thing where I find. You know the opportunity to acknowledge it. Sort of point out that somebody probably doesn't have the sheer number power to to win. But I did this. When it came to the train this year I put Ritchie voltage third and has had a spectacular year? And it's you know just not going to. It's not gonNA shoulder into Chad. Brown Steve asmussen kinds of numbers. And I. I did not think brancaccio head coach. Brad Cox slept walk through the first third of the year. I he did not have a Brad Cox kind of a of a winter early spring drink and then you know kind of got the ball rolling later so I I I opted in that direction so anyway I I just I we enjoy exchanging these. You know these ideas well and on the breeders side and I and this is one where I didn't have really a feel because often Couple with some success kinda sticks out and then I dig deeper. That's one award to Like I feel like breeder is so much it's more involved than what happens on the track and not that you know being a good trainer. Doesn't you know while being in the bar and owner et CETERA. Taking care of horses is but you know breeder there there's breeding to race into style. And there's you know I remember one year Cannon Tear Ramsey and something Oh you know you're you're voting for this guy has a a ton of wins runs them everywhere. Well in my mind that was one of the year's kitten's joy blew up and and I felt like that was part of being the breeders you know. Here's a guy that sunk a bunch of his money into building a broodmare band to breathe his sire. That now is doing well for everybody everybody. So yeah I mean looking back. There could have been some homework done to maybe go with that line of thinking and and looking at you know some breeders who have done well with the particular broodmare band or bureau Siro after that wasn't expected to command You know even even looking at the breeder of certain sires. I think you can beat your main if if Sira new on the scene is throwing good progeny origines worth keeping in mind. Well we'll see where things shake out and two weeks less than two weeks away from heading out hardware. Let's turn our attention to the race action. I do in in maybe next week at I want. I want you to talk a little bit about optics CQ. That I I caught some of your discussion in recent over the past month. or so. And I I want you to talk about brought up Vet Mix with with Jeremy plonk this week and he he introduced that and I want you to let people know about the optics Q.. Product to that. We can't talk short on time. I want to hear more about it. could be good. It was We look forward to so certainly be a part of my my handicap in process. Well then let's get a couple of opinions and I I just you probably listened in as nick and I brought up his hometown track. Sam Houston with him and Sam Houston added to the betting menus later tonight. Yeah Certainly a soft spot in my heart and mind side of my biggest score But even absent bath the the twelve percent takeout multi-race wagers Is Awesome and they have a person crease this year. We've seen what it's done to the field at turf way and based on opening weekends should be similar Excitement down there Field size wise and some good wagering opportunities and and I found one the in race. Three This horses twenty two one on the morning line and optics probably wouldn't have been too helpful because it's the first first time starter Linda Diane Number One race three Sam. Houston you don't want on the morning line The dam From two starters as the first winner in a second out winner dire new year's day is seventeen percent with debut runner and trainer Alain Que- Only two for fifty seven and lifetime with debut runners but one of those to win did come at Sam Houston last year And I'm not GonNa let the the bad number talk me off a AH twenty two one morning line debut runner anyway. So we're we're looking to light a fuse early at Houston race. Three number one lead to Diane Nice Awesome Very Nice. The the one today this race goes off at eight forty eastern seven forty central and maiden group the full feel of fourteen holy cow at thirty eight thirty six thousand. Nice things so That's the new level for the maidens and I forget it where the money came from down there but taxes out and it came from anything equine related all all right tax sales and Straw and Hay and feed and transportation any tax monies from equine equaling industry funneled in twenty five million. Half quarters half to Thurbers all right. That's right I remember for that. Now thank you But yeah looking good down there and again twelve percent take out So a twenty to one and one of those first pick four pick five certainly could be a nice start to the meat Another horse I like tonight's Turkey Park Danzas don't temple pilots may notice. They dropped an EP today and Swami Angle but I like the horse anyway but race three and third way. There's a horse named Stone Temple pilots. WHO's making his is probably track debut and sire couple city based on winning percentage best surface is polly tracks so or seems to be? Okay anyway you get the drop in class to the bottom level TERP way you get the triumph holly track for Sire. WHO's better on that Sir? Projects better on that surface than any other and and you have some early zip which is a central on five and a half at Surf Way and hopefully the Florida one morning line holds. Because I I definitely think that the solid price and actually would probably be happy happy with five to two or three to one. That's don't temple pilot and race three very good. That's the action. That's the action right. All right well I you know you're you're probably as good of a person or mentioned this. I told everybody yesterday teen and I go to Cincinnati tomorrow and we're doing an overnight and but you're you're a Cleveland guy so you won't. You can't appreciate this as much going to see. I vowed I vowed that the next time my friends and in particular Doug Wagner and his bandmates Dave Brown and John Schmidt that the next time the Warsaw Falcons were playing that I was coming in and so ten and I am taking Tina Cincinnati. We're going to the York Street. Three cafe to see the Falcons tomorrow night and can relive some some glory glory time in from the eighties eighties when they played at Corey's and dollar bills and all over the chapter thirteen. So you're clear. Cleveland Guy. I so you can't appreciate this now. We're we're the menus around in your everyday the modulators the menus don't the menus. Don't ring a bell. Frank aims to from Chevy turned me onto them and and there are a ton of fun and they're actually playing next week so no from my experience You know when I lived in Washington we drag on time to time. Cincinnati A- a great far far music live. I banned town big big time very much under the radar from other cities. People talk about but if there's a band playing I I always hook shot even with the cover charge. Well I am. I was on the list generally but My questions we're not sure yet. I'm going to discuss that with Doug and Patty and You know I've been away a long time from from the but I did tell the story that the teen and I come back from Derby last year and relived. We lived at Waltz hitching post which is back and better than ever the last several years. Bill Aren't sparkler and his partners re gave new new life to waltz hitching post. which is terrific and It's become more of a steakhouse from original origins which were ribs I had the ribs and the ribs are still great But that was great to stop it walls and we may have to make that the because the Montgomery enclosed one there in in Florence the Dan. Yeah so it's funny. I did it all by feel. Yeh Ed I Y Y teen. I got off that exit and I said wow look at this. It's closed so we got back on. We got back on seventy one and I. I just looking at the exit ramp. I said get off this ramp and I and I said go down this hill and sure enough there. We get to the bottom of the hill. And there's walls and I was I was like Oh my God all right. We're gonNA walls pretty funny live to tell you You know when I was up in Cincinnati for five months with VJ and you'd recommend it Arthur's and you know we didn't get out much obviously and when we did it we cook stop and such but That's something I remember. Those recipes are so important you know just to recharge and not be around that environment all the time and didn't choked up but nine people took the time to you. Go to go and Jerry down at Listen everybody and everybody enjoys watching him. Grow uh-huh and It's you know the challenge that that no parent wants to face but You guys Just were just champions and Remarkable remarkable example for everybody. So well done thank you and hopefully I'll be back again under better circumstances fat at the rose everybody everybody. EJ X. D. Two and the team at the twin spires in Brisbane that. Let's take a break. Mike Welsh Danny by. We got wealthy. And we've got got visit from Jeff Siegel coming and Marianne Pollini on what's been a A busy morning not not the biggest weekend of racing but plenty to keep us occupied looking forward to Mike. Give us some insights and of course at about three thirty four o'clock he'll drop the clock report and that'll be a big help particularly for a lot of these first time. Starters I mean that that fourth race eight out of the Niner I. There's a a third race to the mile race. There's what one two three four three I and bunch of I is actually actually in the in the first race to one two three four five six seven of the nine of the ten our first. There's so we need. We need Mike Welsh. He's going to join US next. In with Steve on Sirius. XM radio develop by horsemen bills. 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Twenty five minutes at our three on the weekend preview and it was a it was a busy week leading into Saturday's action at Gulfstream Mike Welch of the daily racing form formed joins US Mike Happy New Year. Happy New Year's Eve bike Tragic Week actually and in fact if we go back to Even before New Year's there was the flooding on the backstretch which was just stunning. And we didn't get a chance to talk about that before we went on break and then this week I could tell by your sensitive tweet. That Jorge Navarro was inconsolable inconsolable over X. Y.. Jets cardiac incident that claimed his life. Yeah I mean you just heard rumor haunting here while I was clocking and I just didn't WanNA call George Way until I knew it was true and then when I did it profound out. It was confirmed. I gave them a call and he was inconsolable. Word I mean you just CABELA's speak he was he was so broken up and and You know after a couple of minutes of you knows obvious that he couldn't even go on He slept that horse. You know I mean like said he put him where he was he put him on the maps and everything to them And you know just besides what he did he just judge truly just love the horse. I spoke with someone someone who was actually in Dubai with George last year if leading up to and during the Dubai well cop and you know they told me that so you just see you know. Georgia's spent his entire time. You know with the Horse around the Horse Just doing everything you could for the horse and was rewarded with the victory last year and unfortunately really not going to get a chance to go back there again this year but was tremendous three million dollars in earnings One one Dubai World Cup second and two others and overcame all sorts of injuries. George believable job. That you were. Patience is virtue Patients Swab Virtue with that enjoyed. You know displayed all of that to get him through what he had to get through and to keep them at a level world-class sprint level. And that's what. That's what's remarkable I mean because and granted sprinters sprinters with issues quote unquote the the time to bet them when they come back off of a layoff a lot of times they they'll retain that they get back to that level but he he did it he did it three times. I mean it it it just speaks to you know it speaks to Camp Pharaohs as a as a stallion and this source of maturity. I mean he never each time he came back. He absolutely was as fast as strong as he was previously. It's it's remarkable. Yeah I mean even though you know he finished last but The opening quarter and half Mile Georgia actually said to me the so it's Looks like he's getting faster. As far as his speedway early speed went and No those kinds. That kind of speed is always an asset. When you're running owning and races like the Dubai World Cup which is straightaway and You know he was looking forward to going back. Even though it was first race back disappointment it was the seventy S. And you know it was a race. You really need it under his belt. Joyce have any real high expectations. But he was looking forward to running back to suck shy billions wins and then going to buy from there. So you know unfortunate all around you know. He missed virtually his entire five year old season visit. He was gone from November from that. From the performance. In the de Francis Dash where he ended his four year old season third behind the Ivonne Ivan fallen over lot and he he did not return until the MR prospector of twenty seventeen so he virtually missed. It's eleven almost thirteen months thirteen months really and then came back. And the second into that the mind your biscuits I mean that was his excruciating. A beat as as anybody's GONNA take And then he came back can and was off another six months between the smile win and then he came back for the sunshine millions and had the opportunity to prep twice before going back to May Dan and this time he wins and wins clear so X. Y.. Jet Very very tough. Meanwhile you have been tracking and keeping everybody up to date on Omaha Beach and we had talked Mike to Dick Mandela on Monday. And he said he was going Wednesday for the workout and then the word came that the workout was going to be scuttled. But yesterday I saw where you said he came out and he galloped and it looks like he's okay. Well he job yesterday it was just a jog alongside the pony but he looked fine to smarting you. What out somewhere around six thirty It it's I if you haven't been Gulfstream Park when it's dark it's not like being churchill downs at five thirty six six in the morning before you know during Derby Week or whenever 'cause they have the lights there there are no lights. There are a couple of lights on Paul's here and there but it's really hard to see see anything much in the morning classes here do an absolutely amazing job Clocking these horses because it is total darkness. Until almost seven o'clock here at the moment allman and we were sitting in the stands watching the the track and I we saw come by US and by timing at bias. who weren't able to see the markings on his face because he was biased but from the saddle towel just to look for the horse up pretty sure that was him and if it was him He looked fine galloping this morning too so That news is good I spoke to Richard Mandella yesterday. You said he wanted to get at least two days of Gallup's percents Baby Works on day. Maybe work Monday. So nothing. He's not committed either day he does want to get to work in a year Before the race should be able to do that if he has no more set if people were kind of going back the following Monday with another work so so hopefully everything will go well And we'll see embrace sometime over this weekend or Monday at the latest. Meanwhile Mike Ah the question has got to start to be asked with some of the bigger names like a maximum security mackenzie math wizard and gift gift. Box seemingly pointing toward the Middle Eastern Race this this group love is a little little bit under duress is it. Not what what. What are they thinking about with the main track Pegasus race in terms of out Al Right? Now there's about ten horses. I think on the probable list in the you know after Omaha beach you know you do have higher power Magic Sikwan MISSED THREES I. He'll have a couple more works. It looks like he's heading that direction Roads they're seeking. The soul has been confirmed. It's fun to run is down here training trying to make sure he could train through the no less ex- Situation that he's going to have to be faced with trainer. Juan Carlos Guerrero seemed a little concerned about that they were going to bring them or having breathing without lasix. So far seem so good. I did not talk to him after his second work. You seem fine after his first work tax supposed to go War Story Another horse with some bleeding issues like six six could be problematic for him and diamond. oops also Patrick being combed as I love this racetrack This would be a big step up in class and stretching stretching about but That's that looks like the group about now I think Bodey expressed even though he was not invited Will eventually it'd be invited. Well if they don't come up with the twelve from the original invitees which that doesn't look like that's going to happen. They gotta fill out those two spots and anybody expressed rest probably be invited in. He was going to have a work yesterday. It they decided instead to two minute lick them and are they going to bring it back and work them next Wednesday the situation with him. So that's where we stand right now. It looks like nine or ten confirmed and I'm guessing they will fill out talk to a full dozen. Though before they draw those entries we can have now so essentially. There is the potential for some horses. When you mentioned boaty the express and in fact our friend Chad checks Nader down in New Orleans wondered aloud on twitter today? Why a horse like Toms? The TOT Might not have you know been been queried about participating. So they're reading stall is pretty firm and the fact that he was passing this race with towers originally. Yes now I have heard anything more I mean. I don't know why he would not have been invited. If it was any thought that he chrome. Maybe they we'll recap to him like I said they they WANNA fill out full field at twelve. And if there's not twelve from original seventeen invited they will Look to WHO Grab a couple of others for the race so I haven't heard anything about Tom to TAT. J. Primin who Made out pretty eighty detail Confirmation list a couple of days ago did not have his name on their lives. So if there's any movement in that direction I haven't heard about very good all all right. Well we'll keep tabs coming days as the the card inches closer and of course a full slate of of action and and Mike Before we dive into a couple of spots about this card what what's your feeling about. the viability of chance. It and As seen on TV going forward. Here I talked to Saffy Joseph on on Monday. And he he thinks he'll be okay up to a mile and an eighth he's not he's not Guaranteeing anything beyond that but What what are your thoughts about these two either? The race was terrific. Not only could on quite a show but you know these. Two houses ran the whole way. I mean they were still running Despite you know that head to head duel they they still had something to laugh at the I was a remarkable affect on the part of chance coming off the four-month layoff you know as we noted that think we had talked and certainly from the clock report you could see that he had trained spectacularly packet going into the race but sappy you know you never know No matter how good a horse trains coming off a layoff like that if they're not going to be a little bit short You know in a racing situation and he certainly ducked down was passed through most of the stretch. You know and the fought back along the rail onto tyler. Great right by Tyler. Are they getting through in the inside and keep Kelly arena a lot of credit to his horse had never been beyond six and a half furlong stretching out to a mile for the first time. He was very confident that he would be able to get that far but again same thing you never know until they do it and he did it and they got the buyers ninety three and ninety four hundred Thinking maybe the way the way they look the way they were finishing that performance might even have been a little better than that so The main question quite should be coming back into Holi bullets for weeks that kind of gut wrenching stretch run you know. Will they be able to come back. And and be able to duplicate that performance stretching out again again around two turns for the holy bull that's that's the the question has to be answered and awaiting them Down the road for the Holy Bull It's his law. Who's going to have the fact that he not run here and has been away a AH negative side but WHO's plenty talented? Seems to be training. Well since he's got down here he works up at Palmettos and all of the chance to get a couple more in before rage. So if you've got those to his law In the end supposed to run for Patrick Comb coming up very impressive allowance win here and after that I'm not sure really haven't had any real other confirmation said I know but those four for sure would be a pretty good show right in itself. Undoubtedly some others will materialize and in fact we might get some that come out of the race to the two mile races tomorrow. Morrow two divisions of colts and geldings going a mile two divisions going six furlongs Mike We're we're going to be looking forward to the release of the clock report later this afternoon to really dive into this Among the entrance. How about the sibling of Little Mike? Take for Karlovac Arrays. Who I thought had retired from training? I mean he threatened to Carlos still still out there and he's he's had a couple of losses run. Well he's had a couple of Occurrences over the last week or horses. His look like they were Making winning runs. Or whatever and gets Kinda got impeded through the stretch and the last one the other day the maiden race on Sunday looked like he was going to get put up and and placed at least second seconds after he got father. Badly by the might make nearing the wire and the Stuart didn't see it that way but now he's had some horses run well and of course militarist I is is one of them and He's coming off a big seven eight after Behind a Premier Star was A. Well meant picking the right one. The George Barrow First Time Starter. Looks like stretching out will be what this wants militarists. So I think he's got a real big chance that's in there but you know all of these maiden races have some very promising looking. first-time starters I think each race has won for todd. Pletcher if I if I remember correctly all of them seem to be working well up at Palmettos and we do. Have I probably down so we do have all those reports from Dave Norton In the clock a report on those horses and and others from you know from from other prominent barnes as well so It's a real. It's a real good car D- even the the two stakes races aside You also have an allowance race later in the car. That's graded stakes caliber field It's really a tremendous race and led by the worst for Kieran McLaughlin making his first start since the travers and also todd pletcher has cut humor. Make his first start at the Kentucky Derby you know. That's the kind of stuff you get here. At Gulfstream in January and February those kind of horses along with the the up and coming three roles you get those kind of horses coming up. Layoffs returning starting starting next campaigns in allowance auto races and They couple of come together here along with a full in quality late and field right from top to bottom there. Well you mentioned that race with endorsed and and cutting humor. That's the ninth. And there's a three-year-old allowance races. Well Mike and I I. I do. Note that you tab the Horse that we discussed on Monday Monday with Saffy Joseph who has taken over the training of New York traffic and why traffic and There's going to be you know. Plenty of focus in that spot. HOT ON MOON OVER MIAMI FOR BILL MAHER AND JANE LION coming off the impressive maiden win at nine to one but Saffy Jeffy talked glowingly about New York traffic when the name came up on Monday. You'll see when you get the clock report there. The story training exceptionally well. We've been kinda waiting to see where he would show up next And here he is now. He's never been to turns. Irons never been beyond seven days. So that's the question you have to answer but The way he's been going and the way he's been producing For for a while now you know not just last weekend with those three stakes wins You have to figure this is going to be you know. Ready to roll. He he gets a little bit of a post position. Break over. Moon over. Miami Island is sixteen. Th You know the further out you draw the tougher. It could possibly be moon over Miami to the extreme outside post host Johnny B.. Johnny knows this This track well in the nuances of those Short run of the first Taryn Mile and a sixteenth and mile and an eighth raises. And what you need to do to keep yourself in a winning position so It'll be interesting to see how this play erase. Plays out like soon neon for Brian. Lynch is GonNa be the speed. I think New York traffic is going to stop them. right from the start Luhrman might show a little speed around mix Stretching out around two turns actually really the only horse in the field to turn experience I yes I'm looking at that was to turns on the grass. The only one with to turn experience on the dirt is Sunni on who was second beaten a neck going a mile and a sixteenth the Churchill downs so some big question marks here but You know I'm thinking maybe we'll let's see another one or two Potential Down the road. Three Hurrell. Prep contingency to here. I don't think you're GONNA jump out of here and go into the holy bull just because it's it's only if you don't have much time to recuperate from here to get to the holy bull but It'll be interesting to see. You know what does come out of this race. And those two three zero. A Mile Maiden races has also two three zero six rolling maiden races. I don't know if we're going to see any therapy. KINDA horses coming out of those but Certainly the mile maiden maiden races. I'm sure the winners. There'll be looking at something whether it's here Tampa or who knows on this under therapy trial well and there. Are you know you you mentioned some that might. AP Bread to very quickly stretch out. Off of debuts and I do want to point out one at least one pedigree note there alley The one horse in the first race for Dale Romans Tomorrow West Point and all Bah and a five hundred twenty five thousand dollars Keeneland yearling. That's a half to Murad awed an ARC low So not necessarily a dirt sprinter. But he's a will take charge Ottoman empire maker. And who knows what what's going on here. You know some modest works Actually there's a couple that into at some talent including forty eight and four gate work Forty the eight and one half mile. the sources cut out the to be something. Mike Yeah definitely looked like down the road distance and turf will be what he he wants. And I don't think this is going to be the spot for I've seen them work here a couple times. Just been okay on the dirt In his local works I it. Looks like he showed a little more speed like you said over Churchill before he shipped locally but You know you got some interesting. Also you also have a solar ratio todd pletcher who may ultimately want to turf looking at His pedigree and Liam's maps aren't necessarily your first out debut. ABC or Kinda prolific. Kind of. You know debut Haas's but of course belong Guanaco by mcleans music out of London. London rivers prayer. Looks like a horse to be pretty contentious haven't seen him work over coastal park West but Gustavo don't go to have Luiz. I as bears. You know he's well meant you have awakened for shook mcgahey he He's a half to a couple of turf win is also Th that Maybe down the road is GonNa want grass SAG harbor. I think is going to run better than his debut for Judge Navarro. And then yeah Mr Philly dilly who Ben Perkins who wound up catching a loose on the lead winner in a key race to Next out wins including the winter came back and won allowance race of Laurel That was for forty but they might have got away with one when they're he's stepping up to The stuff especially category but could be the one to catch himself in despotic. If he leaves they're running will also be shown awesome speed for Wanted to so the first rain just a hint of what's to come on this car. It's tough it's competitive and it's Probably GONNA produce horses down the road that we're going to hear from As we get further and further along into the windy well as we get further along. We'll check check in with Mike and Marty McGill. Be Down there as well and The body teams Marty's on hand. Great So you got some support. And of course Dave Norton Morton up at Palm beach down to help out and Palmettos work. Save and have David and then they both Donald Harris and dave both doing a tremendous job of our already and we're not even halfway into the beat so a lot to look forward to As far as the cracker report to the rest of the winter. We've already had some pretty good stuff. I think God there especially a lot of these races you know Nice looking allowance races on turf and dirt so A lot more to come. That's for sure well Mike. We'll check in next week and Good luck this weekend and of course the clock report look forward the later this afternoon. Get the invited by the individual by the weekend By the rest of the meat plenty of action at January every February march. If you don't subscribe to it on a whole meet basis or even a weekly basis a card like Saturdays one. You probably wanted absolutely you know. Spend the twelve ninety five or whatever. I'm not sure what they're charging now for single copy but with his maiden races and the horses coming in from every which way here I think it's it's probably worth the investment if you're if you're serious player even if you're a casual player looking at exelon absolutely and here I'm GonNa tell you at twelve. Ninety five is is right for a single card forty nine ninety five for the weekend while the full meat was was originally six fifty and a W Miss you miss December at this point. But just that come allergist that you know they might come out with another opportunity to purchase the arrest them meet at a obviously six hundred reduced price. Probably a good idea ought Scusi with my people so I I don't pay attention to the prices. I get my free very well. That's your wrote to half of it. Mike Welsh everybody. Dr Of Welsh. Mike talk next week. Thanks so much. Okay we're GONNA stay. Stay right here. Because Jeff Siegel is standing by and he joins us now. Jeff Happy New Year. Everything's great here. How about you? Excellent excellent and You know certainly you know talked to John White earlier in the week and the decision to postpone the opening opening day ended up being present. And it paid off a fabulous opening day Saturday the twenty eighth at Santa Anita and does it feels like there's some real normalcy at this point moving forward. No question about that. I think that was a good decision. It didn't rain pretty hard On the scheduled opening day next year The December twenty six. They actually falls on a Saturday. I know they pry open on a Saturday anyway and and so they they will do that next year. something everything I don't have any postponement next year and then I think from then on. I wouldn't be surprised if they You know officially opened on on Saturday no matter what they had actually followed them. I know edition always used to open opening day after Christmas but I think from a business standpoint opening on a Saturday makes a lot of sense. Well this Saturday looking at this card and we'll get a couple of pushes from you but before we do that I wanted to get a couple of thoughts about your eclipse ballot and If you've felt that there were certain areas that were tougher than than you expected How'd you had you shake out on your ballot too? Many Disputed categories. I think that you have to look at The two year old male is going to be closer than I think. People think have voted for stormed the court just because I'm partial to juvenile winner Assuming there is no other stand out for any extenuating circumstance. I don't know this storm. The court was the best to your last year but he did show up on the on the on on the right day and I'll give him credit for that. Yeah I I think he deserves it. Struck GONNA get some from Some action to undefeated but I often been equal equal. I'M GONNA prefer the dirt over the turf in two year old division. I think there's just more competition in the dirt. Division so for me norm the court I some train last week. I think he's going to be a really good three-year-old better. Maybe than I originally thought he. He looked really good Res Five eighths like filled out a little bit. And when did it the right way. I'm not sure when he's going to make a three year old debut could be in the San Vicinity and the second week in February. Might they might wait until March. But it's okay I mean he's he's good Colt one of many many that That are out here right now that I have high hopes on and I I'm curious to see how it comes back. I also WANNA mention that Last week I thought authentic just blew my mind I mean. He's you know green grass up. Nobody's doing but I think he's a really really good coke good long. Skopje Athletic Colt for Bob Baffert and undefeated now to start winning the sham. Did it A good number. That what he's supposed to look out for authentic he gets well. There's no shortage and of course waiting for Fowler words to come back we've got I guess Yes Honore P Seems like sheriff's is dealing only with some some issues but No doubt by the time we get to the Lewis and And the Felipe. AM and start to really march marched toward the Santa Anita Derby. The you know the the the big guns will come complaisant no question. It's going to get interesting here as it will back east on wide open really. This year I mean or Nice coats out there that are in different stages of development so from new shooters out there as well Yeah I getting back to the ballot. Bill maximum security. I think will be champion. three-year-old probably bricks and mortar will be forced to the air although I I I would like to see maximum security when horses here. I don't think he will But to me You know a a he he did he did it the right way. He did it against Against three year old but he did a mile quarter spreading. He was with good throughout the entire year. And I just I don't know I I like him so I'm not sure I love it What'd you do? What'd you do with older male curious? we've been having all week of Vino Rosso Matola discussions with You Russell I I again I guy. I liked it when African That that championship race I I mean we're totally going to get his eclipse award. He'll he'll he'll get the sprint. So it's not like he's empty-handed or anything like that but I just think that The way our racing set set up that unless there's something extraordinary outside of this Cup day that I'm Gonna I'm GonNa look at the Classic and it wasn't like he luck attended either. I mean he was complete authority. I I'm I'm advantages so I'M GONNA I'm GonNA put him there. You know the more we talk to people. Jeff Jeff I and I I did the same thing That vote is going to be incredibly interesting and close. I think because there's a lot of people I mean I mean everybody I think obviously tolley is going to be an acclimation sprint winner. and He's a finalist for horse of the year But it the Vino Russell. Matola thing it really feels like the scale is tipped towards Vino Rosso from what I can tell from conversations. Well well that's what I was doing now mentally. You'd think that because he's a finalist for horse of the year that that would automatically give them the edge because You know also is not pointless force of the year but I guess you. Could you know if you weren't you know committed to Matola and the Horse of the year division that. I don't think he's GonNa win that. I guess you are free free. You're freed up the votes so for older male and I wouldn't be upset either way but I mean they both. They both rose to the occasion on the biggest day of racing and universal when the classics. So that's where I go interesting. All right well What'd you do? What'd you do for some human Spots I didn't really get too involved in that I mean I was kind of disappointed disappointed but I was not surprised really that it's all eastern based custody on Iran. WHO's Ame with the pickle pick one? I mean Chad Brown is might default. Go to train guest. That's not I go for that but you know I mean it's I I tell you what other one division I do WanNa mention though and that is winning and got stormy and again I default to a mile Both the vote beating each other. Both having remarkable records but for female to enforce Again I I go to the championship bracelet. I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't anybody who wanted to go the other way. But that's where I the go. Well I appreciate the insights and let's get a couple of quick opinions. Got About a minute and a half two minutes Some thoughts about the card tomorrow Santa Anita Little Las Asiana's And Locking Yada Yeah. It's it's interestingly The Las Vegas import from Brazil usually Olympica from Richard should Mandela's vine she august for which means of course she was bred on Southern Hemisphere Thompson. She's she's like three and a half or so but comes in undefeated Not The strongest field in the world. Five going Storm the hill. We'll get a lot of play that she's backing up to her best distance. But I'd like to see usually Olympic go out and do something Special Command Delta. We need a fresh face in that decision and I think she might be pretty good. This is Fox hill farms. But they don't you know it's not you don't get too many Brazilian horses. Well scouted and the phone to be here must be pretty good and three three three one away win So we'll see how she performs in the third. That's the Las Vegas and lock in You know five perfection. I don't really know whether she I don't think she wants to run a mile sixteenth. I mean she can run on during mild but turn right so It'll be interesting to see. She's far the best on paper whether he can get the trip She's five years old. She's had twenty starts she sees and then up to try to get it Queen Btu is not as good but she's proving around two turns and if for whatever reason spice perfection doesn't quite get the mile and one sixteenth Queen Beatty. You will be there to pick her up anything else on the card that contrary not yet Dive into that tonight A lot of racism. This is some tough maidens maiden races on the turf that I'll be looking at do some research on those but we'll have our analysis are cut analysis of the wagering strategies on TV dot com fantasy dot com and then expressed that dot com. So there are plenty of ways to find it. We'll have it up the probably early in the morning tomorrow tomorrow. Excellent Day makers of course as well and all the great coverage Millie Ball speaking of TV. Millie ball the veep. The host host tomorrow tomorrow. Make sure you can't sweep the host if you don't Play week to after Jeremy started things off winter. You up and beat the host later on down the road. I'm not sure of the date but They'll let me know when and when I'm going you always are always one of the toughest weeks takes forever facing off against Jeff Siegel and you follow jeff on twitter to Jay Siegel racing and all the great coverage at XP TV DOT COM. We thank Jeff Van. We'll talk next week and we'll head off into the weekend. The best of luck to everybody playing. I apologize to Mary. We didn't get to Mary Ramp Alenia but we did talk some Sam Houston Race Park and we'll get Mary in ahead of their big day in a couple of weeks. Sorry Mary thanks the hammer though. And James scully and Nick Tamra at derosa. Mike Welsh Jeff Siegel data on the board back the Monday of course look for you tomorrow and in Cincinnati while we're Make a quick zip to the Queen City looking forward to that and Look forward to talking to you on the weekend. I'll see what I guess I'm going to do that. I'm going to do the Gulfstream. That's what I looked at the most. I think well look at that. That's a little tricky. It's tricky I thought late love in the pick. Five the ninth and tenth South we'll see maybe gusts has got the for you over the weekend to visit the website. Thanks everybody good luck.

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Kentucky Derby Chaos Is Horse Racing's Latest Stumble. What's Its Future?

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Kentucky Derby Chaos Is Horse Racing's Latest Stumble. What's Its Future?

"This message comes from on point sponsor, indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From NPR, and you are Boston. I'm Meghna, Choco birdie. And this is on point the scene was nothing. Short of cinematic at Churchill Downs on Saturday twenty horses running in the one hundred forty fifth Kentucky, Derby, rain, falling hard and all those colors the jockey's silks in those fancy hats shining through the gloomy light the crowd going nuts and the incredible animals pounding through the mud as they fought to the finish line. Country too. Security ledge Dacca. But he didn't as soon as maximum security cross the finish line to writers protested. And for the first time in the history of the race. The winner wasn't the winner. This hour on point the Kentucky Derby disqualification in a year already full of challenges for the so-called sport of kings. And you can join us. Did you watch the derby where you excited about the finish? What did you think about this disqualification and more broadly, where do you think things are with the sport of kings? Join us anytime at all point radio dot org or Twitter and Facebook at on point radio while we will start today in Louisville Kentucky with gentry ESTES sports writer at the Louisville courier journal. He was trackside for the race on Saturday. And you could take a look at his reporting through Lincoln our website on point radio dot org. Gentry welcome to the program. Hi, it's great to be with you. So first of all just give us your take on kind of the drama and what happened near the finish of the derby again yesterday. How how big was it? I mean, it was it was just surreal you you've seen the race. You know in plenty of times where you see the winner. The, you know, NBC talks to talks to the jockey you go to the winner's circle. It's all very standard. It became pretty clear after this one is going to be a lot different. There was an announcement for everyone. Hold your tickets. You had the winning horse and maximum security who's hanging out on the track. You've you have your trainer your jockey there standing right by the winner's circle. And they're unable to go into it. I mean, well, yeah. The runner up horse country houses trainer jockey there. They're standing over on the side too uncertain. What's going to happen the horses? Just kind of circling the track waiting to see this thing went on for for for twenty two minutes before decision was made excruciating for the people involved. And then you know, once it was announced that the race. The results had been overturned there were there were boos a lot of unhappy people. So for Pete for folks who don't really know the world of a thoroughbred racing. That. Well, I mean, I had to watch the video over and over again before I actually understood what happened. So can you explain to a specifically why maximum security got disqualified? In the final turn of the race. Basically the rule is written to where horses need to maintain the path. They're in now, I know that that it's chaotic obviously, especially they're running around out there on a muddy track, and you know, to the idea of an actual lane might might be kind of sound kind of silly. But there are paths they're going to especially coming around that turn and maximum security. Was was close to the rail. You could see it live that he drifted away from the rail. And they're at that moment, there really wasn't a reason why the jockey would have ever wanted to do that you want to save ground coming around that turn by being closest to the rail, obviously. And and the horse, suddenly and for reasons we'll probably never know got a little scared. It looked like inside to drift out away from that rail something something in the infield possibly maybe saw a light reflected. Whatever it was when he did that he he went into the paths of well, the first horse being more of will. There was clear contact made. When when he did that veered out in his way. And really, I think the sport itself was very fortunate that that the situation was not a lot more was not a lot worse because had war of will been knocked over and lost his balance when feet when when when their their feet got tangled like that the domino effect with an entire field nineteen horses and a lot of them behind him. I mean, it could have been catastrophic it really could have. And. Yeah. I just wanted to jump here gentry and sorry for interrupting you. But that's the thing that once I again as a very amateur observer once I understood the intensity of what was happening at the speed that these horses are running. I mean, we should be thankful that both were of will and were of wills jockey somehow managed that moment. So that it didn't turn into something deadly at the derby. Right. And it's it's it's an indication of just how athletic the horses at that level. Are that run in the Kentucky Derby, I mean, a horse like war will it was very athletic that he was able to to get knocked off balance like that and still be able to to maintain maintain his balance and be able to keep running like that. But the the contact caused a bit of a chain reaction and affected a couple of other horses, the one horse. It really didn't affect that much was country house who was kind of on the outside of this. And I, and I think a lot of one of the tough things for people to understand country house continues with a pretty good trip around the track where. There wasn't a lot to slow his momentum out of this. So he ends up finishing second maximum security. Regains is funding goes on to finish first in the horse that ends up benefiting from the infraction. Really wasn't that close to it or that affected that much effected by it as opposed to some of the other horses? And I think that that's one of the hardest things to understand because and then objection they rule a foul on maximum security, the first place horse, he gets taken down. And then it's just the way it finished behind him. And that's how country house ends up winning after finishing second. So. Here. What what's the broader implication for four horse racing regarding what happened at the derby here. I mean, we maximum security isn't going to be in the Preakness now. Right. So is is there is there is there a bigger story here beyond that specific moment at the derby. I think so. And I think they're they're probably was anyway in terms of horse race in two thousand nineteen there. There was a rash of horse fatalities. At Santa Anita. Very prominent racetrack in California that made national headlines here the last few months and. I don't think it was a positive for horse racing to have controversy on its its biggest race surely. But horse racing is getting a lot more attention than you would normally see in the attention. It's getting in this case could be construed as positive. This was a major sporting event in which the rules as written were enforced correctly. They were it was a foul. It should have been called foul. You don't always see that in in big moments in big sporting events. And in terms of the discussion as it existed with horse racing prior to that I think to to see a situation where a rule clearly meant to enforce the safety of the horses and the writers was was enforced correctly. I think that's that's probably to me a positive wrapped around a pretty controversial controversial moment. Well, gentry esus sportswriter at the Louisville courier journal. Thank you so much for being with us, gentry. You bet take care. Let's take a quick call here. Let's go to Frank who's calling from Hammond. Louisiana Frank you're on the air. Thank you for taking my call. I been at the derby three times, and I've been at several of the other racist. I am just so glad that they took the call and made the right decision. The laws apply to everybody. Now matter what the Cajun. Will frank? Thank you so much for your call. Let's turn now to Randy moss who joins us from Saint Paul Minnesota. He's the horse racing analyst for NBC sports reported for NBC from Churchill Downs on Saturday at the Kentucky, Derby Randy moss. Welcome to you nine nine hundred beer. So first of all just respond to what the to the caller Frank said that in fact, he sees this moment as something good. That's happened for horse racing that the right thing happened at the derby. What do you think? Sure, I thought they made the right call, and I thought jittery described the whole situation very eloquently it within the sport itself. There is it's not a unanimous opinion about this. I'll say that right off the top. I mean, there are people who look at the running of the Kentucky Derby people whose opinions that I greatly respect people who are astute observers of the sport. And they see that maximum security was clearly the best horse in the race in. They. Look and see that. Okay. The horses that he interfered with primarily war of will through an objective analysis of the outcome of the race. Probably wasn't going to win. Now. That's subjective. Need you don't know that for a fact, but from all available evidence, it appears that war of will was never going to be maximum security. Right. We'll read just. Just full disclosure. I am not an expert in any way, shape or form in horse racing. But I'm thinking, you know, in a lot of human sports, the the notion is you're only as good as your last mistake. So it doesn't matter. How great you are. If you don't if you don't think that last free throw your teams to lose his anyway. So does that apply horse racing? Like maximum security might have been so called the best horse on the track. But there was a key. There's a critical mistake made sure went win stewards look at race stewards apply. When when they're looking at a situation like this and objection inquiry foul claim they look at a couple of different things, primarily number one. They looked at the severity of the offense and number two. They asked themselves. Did it affect the outcome of the race? Did the interference impact the outcome of the race? And the fact that this didn't necessarily and probably didn't affect the outcome of the racist caused a lot of people in the sport, including some prominent people like Bob Baffert, the leading horse trainer in America. Has come out and said he did not think disqualification was warranted. But the way I look at it. I mean, there has to be some level at which an offense is ruled serious enough that even the best tours can be disqualified Dini dec- horses down on the racetrack and jockeys down on the racetrack to disqualify horse being there has to be some level at which you say, okay. This is enough this warrants a disqualification in the more when I was on NBC Saturday through trying to fill that hole twenty two minutes with replays. When we finally saw the replay angles that were the most dramatic where war of will the horse that was interfered with where his front legs were actually between the hind legs of maximum security when it became obvious that it was basically a fifty fifty proposition. A coin flip as to whether war of will went down or not at that point to me. It became apparent that the disqualification was Justice. Right. I mean, I keep thinking about the disaster that could have happened. And fortunately, did not well Randy moss horse racing analyst for NBC sports stand by here for just a second. We are talking about that disqualification at the country at the Kentucky Derby, excuse me. And the broader question of the ready challenging year in the sport of kings. We will talk about those rash of horse deaths at the Santa Anita racetrack in California when we come back. So I'm Meghan Trump for body. This is on point. The fact that in two thousand and nineteen were having this debate about measles vaccine makes my head want to explode, which is Tennessee strange really strange place in the only people speaking up. The parents endless thread, the podcast from w are Boston's NPR station and read it brings you a special series on the history of vaccines in antibac- Sers. Subscribe on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. This is on point. I'm Meghna Chuck Roberti. We're talking this hour about that disqualification at the Kentucky Derby, and the fact that for the first time in the racist one hundred forty five year history, the horse that crossed the finish line. I was not the winner. Let's listen to Kentucky's chief state steward Barbara board and explaining why maximum security was disqualified at a press conference that was held after the race. We had a lengthy review of the race. We interviewed affected riders. We determined that the seven horse drifted out and impacted the progress of number one intern interfering with the eighteen and twenty one those horses were all affected we thought by the interference. Therefore, we unanimously determined to disqualify number seven, let's Kentucky's chief state steward Barbara board. In after the race. Gary west co owner of MAC. Madam security told NBC's today show on Monday that he saw that foul. But blamed it on the race tracks greed saying it was quote like a rodeo out there. I obviously saw the horse move out. But in the Kentucky Derby where you've got twenty horses, and you shouldn't have twenty horses in the Kentucky Derby Churchill Downs because they're a greedy organization because they can make more money they're willing to risk horses lives and people's lives to do that. But yes, I saw the horse move out. But every Kentucky Derby, you could sit down two or three or four horses. If you wanted to because it's it's like a rodeo out there. Let's Gary west co owner of maximum security were joined today by Randy moss horse racing analyst for NBC sports. Joining us now is Jenny Reese, she's with us from Louisville Kentucky. She's covered horse racing for thirty five years for the Louisville courier journal a journal recently moved away from that in his now publicity director for the Ellis Park and Kentucky downs racetracks. And the. Kentucky horsemen's benevolent and protective association, Jenny Reese, welcome to you, welcome. It's really great to have you an Randy. But first of all respond to what Gary west said in that in that clip. We just heard he's looking at the track itself in calling Churchill Downs, greedy organization because they make more money hall holding the races the way they did on Saturday. Well, the fact that the matter is every horse past fourteen which is sort of the is the one main starting gate, you it doesn't increase betting for the Kentucky Derby, but somebody who's been critical at times of Churchill Downs over the year. I got to give him a pass on this one. It is part of the fabric of the Kentucky Derby the twenty horses. It is what allows owners more owners and trainers to dream that their horse can get in over such as Bodey express who needed a scratch to get in. And was right in the thick of things when when he got impeded country house. Would not have been in the race had you had only fourteen horses. And maybe some people said that would think that was a good thing the way things turned out. But I just think it would it would make the Kentucky Derby, just the Ohio derby or the Iowa derby or the Pennsylvania derby to take away the twenty horses, and what happened was actually talking to John court who was on long ranged Taty and was one of the horses really impacted this morning Churchill Downs in and he was hitting you know, that you use involving like four horses that could have been in a ten horse race. It was unusual. I think that that many horses were so close usually they're little more strung out at that point of the race at to show you that we're real finished eight and only got beat four and a half lengths for everything. So people to say it didn't impact the outcome of the race. You know, a six hundred thousand dollars for second. That's though, small change plus the betters that may be had were of will in there. So I I cannot imagine. What Gary and Mary west or feeling I can't imagine that you think you've won the Kentucky Derby, and then you haven't won the Kentucky Derby, we'll we'll so Jenny random when it turned the same question to you. But Jenny first of all as you heard me told Randy earlier just going to be completely transparent about this. You're you're teaching me a lot 'cause I'm no, I'm not the expert. You guys are the experts, but how much should we look to the decisions that the jockeys were making. I mean, the jockey who was who was writing maximum security. Does he bear any responsibility for what happened the depend on on who you talk to his trainer Mark Cassie with say, absolutely not. He was when he texted me seventeen photos every second around the far turn from NBC freeze frame, and he charted the paths off and how maximum security distinct come out they went out, and they went back in any way out back in and he completely defense. Tyler also in touch. Into John court one thing I think that people should realize not only are these horses, amazing, athletes and more of Wilton amazing athlete that he didn't go down. These jockeys are amazing athletes, and is John court explained to me he said at some point he had in its instinct, and it split second. He had to worry about. Making sure Tyler Gallion on a war of will with safe and give them when we're space instead of riding his horse to get the best position. He could get he said he had altered instead of going forward. And and that's an amazing thing. So it's easy to you know, I was thinking watching originally g of Tyler had just stayed on the rail he'd get that trip that Johnny Velazquez on code of honor who ended up being place. Second just goes up the rail. But but he never had that opportunity was full of horse. It was tight. And plus he didn't know which way that. That the first place here in maximum security was going to go. Yeah. And we'll look mitt to the outside. And then this happens though. So let me let me hear from Randy moss. What he thinks about this? Sure about the question of the jockeys responsibility. Well, I understand the frustration of Gary west. I mean, it's unimaginable. What am I feel like to suddenly have the Kentucky Derby winner and be celebrating? And then have it taken away from you? He has come out and said publicly that he feels that the incident was the fault of war of will jockey Tyler gaff Leon, which I mean all respect in the world Gary west, but I find that to be a little ludicrous watching watching the replays. I think that's sort of a hail Mary. He's trying to put up there before his before his court appeal, you can it. My colleague NBC Jerry, Bailey hall of fame jockey, one of the best jockeys may be the best jockey of all time in watching all these sequence of replace. He feels that Louis Sayas the jockey on maximum security bears, at least some fault some blame for what happened that clearly the horse was startled by something. He's not talking. So who knows what he what he saw or heard that spooked him just a little bit and forced him to veer out to his right? My colleague Jerry believes that he probably could have reacted a little more quickly to straighten the horse before he got into the path of war of will. But that's a judgment call. There are other writers who feel that Cy as was was completely blameless. Okay. Well, you know, what we have a lot of callers who want to join us. Oh, let's get them in here. Let's go to Felix who's calling from Fort Lauderdale. Florida Felix you're on the air. Yeah. Go ahead. I was just calling to comment on how I believe the disqualification was shameful for this war and the vessels in now win with the jockey purely door code a considering the track and considering the distance country. Hot was from the incident. I just believe the best horse did not win. And we say as and maximum security will prove to be the best horse in the Belmont. Which is in congress will feel extinct you for your call. Let's go to Terry who's calling from Oxford, Ohio, Terry. What do you think high Magna? I'm here. Clear installs my barn. Listening to the program. I just wanna say that. I think it was the right call, but I'm really disappointed in the west. I think they could handle this grace and dignity and said, hey, we'll see the Preakness may the best horse win. And it would and the whole thing would have gone blown over and everybody would have been happy, and they would have sold a gazillion. Tickets because everybody wanted wanted to see that race. But that's exactly what's not going to happen now. Right. Exactly. And that's why I'm really disappointed in the way the west handled. It I'm in the horse business. I don't race horses, but I- breeding show horses, we work all year long every single day, and we had disappointments left and right. That's just part of the business is what we do. Okay. So Terry don't go away. Because I want to read you a comment that another listener cintas on Facebook, Carl Denham says this the disqualification speaks well of the sport that officials really to make a decision that would not only prove to be immensely popular. But is going to negatively impact the Preakness certainly in the Bill month possibly because it's going to take away any chance of a triple crown this year. You would not see that kind of courage amongst officials in the NBA or the NFL Terry. What do you think about that all kinds of horses running in the Preakness and the Belmont that don't have a shot at the triple crown? So that's that's I say raspberries to that. We'll terry. Thank you so much for your call and get back to mucking out of the. Stalls their tech. Thanks so much Jenny Reese, what do you think about what Terry said about her disappointment in the reaction from the Wests? Well, understand it. But none of us can be in their shoes for that disappointment. But it would have been nice head. They said. You know, let we'll like she said, we'll meet you at Pimlico let the best horse win. And and and let the horse prove it because what happens it's one in a million. But what happens if they win their court case, I don't think they can. But it's overturned, and they skipped the Preakness. And then you know, maybe you could have. But, but I tell you where I think a lot of the problem came here, we are four days later, we're still debating the call, and they the stewards had a few minutes to decide this. And I guarantee they probably didn't have all the video angles at say NBC had maybe Gary does I don't think you could share them that quickly. I understand NBC had like forty five cameras, but the stuarts could have done more to be more transparent explained to the betting public. Explain what exactly happened who claimed foul when when they claimed foul why the horse was placed seventeenth. I think that's what a lot of people don't understand you have to place the horse that caused the interference behind the last place horse. That was impeded is unfortunate that the top. The five horses at ended up cutting personally in this. None of them were impeded. And I think they could have done a lot more. They should have isolated what the actual incident was head Travis stone, the announcer. Explain using one of those what Telestrator that they use on TV explaining exactly where the foul was. I think the stewards should have taken questions afterwards after instead of reading a statement. Jimmy, can I ask you quick Kushner because I want to be sure I understand what you're saying correctly that perhaps it wasn't so much the disqualification that that's the problem. But the order of finish that that that was determined afterwards that the horses could have been chosen to to have finished in a different order. Now. Once they made the disqualification they had to under the racing regulations and Kentucky they had to place it that way. But I think there could be more transparency. There was a very controversial non call at the start of the Breeders Cup. Classic few few years ago. We're buying a chain by Bob Baffert wiped out about half the field, including the other speed horse in the main competition, and he won. But the stuarts next day came up to the press box and answered questions about it. I think there should have been more information having said that I'm not saying that the stewards they might have been told, and I do not know this. But they might have been told by, you know, people above them in the state that you know, there's probably gonna be litigation. Let's don't let's don't comment. I think that's unfortunate. I think I'm not saying it makes the call right or wrong. I'm just saying you could diffuse some of the reaction had you head that transparency. Randy moss. What do you think about which anything other three points? I wanna make of some of the things I've heard first of all the initial caller who expressed his indignation at the disqualification is not wrong when he says that the best stores didn't win. I mean country house was put up as the winner by disqualification when clearly maximum security was the better horse of the two country house wasn't interfered with at all. But again as I said at the top there has to be. Some level of infraction at which you say this warrants a disqualification even of the best horse. And I think that's what we saw happen in the Kentucky Derby, Secondly, the the reason why maximum security is not going to run in the Preakness has nothing to do with Gary Wests frustration about the horse being disqualified in the Kentucky Derby, I mean, if maximum security had won the Kentucky Derby, he he almost certainly would head forward to the Preakness in two weeks because that's basically what's expected of the horses. And they have a chance to sweep the triple crown, but I don't think maximum security was ever going to be considered a candidate to come back so quickly and run in the Preakness had he lost the Kentucky Derby, I think that's something that that has nothing to do with with Gary Wests problem with what with what transpired. And Thirdly genie's point about the. You're I think is exactly run on point. I think they made the right call and the disqualification, but the way they handled the administration of it was absolutely terrible first of all stewards when when they receive foul claims. If they want to look at something else that they see suspicious that has nothing to do with the foul claims you're supposed to put up what's called the inquiry sign on the tote board which tells people tells betters around the world tells national TV audiences haywar looking at this. We're taking a closer look at this. Something may have happened in the race that may warrant a disqualification. They didn't press the button they let the button completely blank then after the race. I mean, not taking any questions Gary west asked to speak with the stewards and have a sit down meeting with him, they declined they said you've got to come back Thursday when we began racing again at which point it would have been too late to appeal to the Kentucky racing commission. I mean, the the stewarts have acted in this whole thing like they have something to hide when they made the right decision. They should be much more transparent about what's gone on. This is absolutely fascinating and Jenny. Lemme turn back. You here because we've got great questions coming in all over the place. There's one from Brando flex who says in perfect whether it would have been a borderline foul in the terrible conditions. They ran in no way. Why do you think there are more accidents in wet weather any video review in any sport? That takes over twenty minutes should be a no call. Well, we don't know how much of that time with discussion or how much of that time was trying to get the appropriate video to look at because I know when I first started looking some video angles, I'm thinking well war will really didn't have to check. And the pictures were the ones that the things that I saw legs and tangled, but the more video you see you you certainly could see that where it did alter not the not who was the best horse. Like Randy in the caller said maximum security was absolutely the best horse it. But I did ask Bill mop the next this had at this happens on the first turn is there this qualification without hesitation he said, no he said that's because the horses have the rest of the race much of the race. Another. A little less than a mile to react. But at that point where it happened not only is it a bad place for video because they're going to change the angles. But it it's where horses are really starting to make that final move if they are good enough. And if they have, you know, if enough energy left, and you can't recover from that. But that's one thing that comes into play here. I think frustration with horse players is this is in just about every racing jurisdiction is a frustration with the inconsistency of what's called interference one day. And what's not called for if it's against the red. Why wouldn't it be called on the first turn? But there's a lot in the derby that probably could have been called in the past that wasn't. That's why I think this gets in a lot of people's craw. Well, not that it was the wrong. Call ginny. Reese, and Randy moss. Hang on here for just like we we do have to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about some other issues in horse racing this year, the bigger picture of sort of where the sport is. We'll be right back. This is on point. Every day you wake up to that long to do list up. I gives you the latest news in about ten minutes. So you feel all caught up on the world while catching up on your life. And hey, don't forget to walk the dog. Listen up. I every morning from NPR news. This is on point Meghna, Chuck Roberti. We are talking this hour about that Kentucky, Derby disqualification and also about larger issues in horse racing. Now, I'm joined today by Jenny Reese, she wants covered. In fact, for thirty five years, she covered horse racing for the Louisville courier journal. She's now publicity director for the Ellis Park and Kentucky downs race tracks and the Kentucky horsemen's benevolent and protective association. Randy mosses also with us. He's the horse racing analyst for NBC sports. Let's go right back to the calls. Karen is calling from Lockport New York. Karen, you're on the air. Hi, regarding Santa Anita. I know they breakdowns that they had there in the past couple of months. I wanna point out that other tracks social downs and act productive Beaumont track that necessarily don't have a racing schedule right now, but are being used for training hip, also head high rate of breakdown and the thing time period. And I think what it boils down to is not the racing surface. The weather anything else, but the age of the horses horses are not physically mature until they're about six. So you're basically asking a kid to do an adult. Physical labor and growth place act on growing, but bones are done growing puff tissues aren't on growing. Well, is it any wonder you're stressing this growing animal physically and probably mentally to which is probably why you hear about so many of these racehorses being hard to handle their so kids. We'll care. Karen? Let me take it back from you there. But I very much appreciate your call. And Karen referenced what's been happening. What happened this year at the Santa Anita racetrack in California twenty two horses have died there this season. And so here's a clip of a horse trainer and the director of the university of Kentucky's agricultural equine programs. He spoke to ABC affiliate KABC in California in March about the deaths. We'd love his analytical sent him out there thinking something bad's going to happen in a stressful. This is unusual. It it. It does happen. There's it's called statistical clustering, but we always take it seriously. Because again, you know, I mean, we we can't we can't do this. You know, this is not an acceptable number of catastrophic injuries. So the two voices you heard there were Bob Baffert and Mick Peterson. Randy moss. So twenty two horses dying in one season. At a racetrack. Sounds extraordinary. What has happened there it it's a very complex situation. But I think when you look at what happened just at Santa Anita, and you take Santa anita's separately from other racetracks around the country, and you look at at that track during that period of time, which was mainly from late December when they opened until March, and you look at what changed during that period of time because encountered year twenty eighteen the rate of horse deaths had gone down had gone down fairly substantially, and then all of a sudden, there's a huge spike while a just happened to coincide with what was one of if not the rainiest winter in southern California history and the racing surface that the horses are running over. At Santa Anita is designed because of the location of the track and Arcadia, California suburban Los Angeles for southern California weather for Sonny. Southern California sunshine, and then all of a sudden they're inundated with this amazing amount of rain once in impacted the racing surface. And unfortunately, made the racing surface more unsafe for the Dow Santa Anita didn't know as this was happening. They didn't know exactly if this was statistical clustering as the one guy spoke about or if this was indeed an issue with the weather in the racetrack. And as the breakdowns continued to happen at one point Santa Anita and early March said, okay, we're going to stop racing. And they did they stop racing for about a three week period. Once the weather straightened up, the rain stop. They had a chance to examine the race track. Make a few changes to the racetrack surface. It's it's it's cleared up completely now that that doesn't mean that there aren't issues with thoroughbred racing that need to be addressed to improve of to make sure. Sure that every precaution is taken to ensure the safety of the horses. That's something. That's now a nationwide conversation in Norse racing. Frankly, it's a good conversation. And in today's society were animal rights is is more of a high profile topic than ever before. It's something that the industry needs to take very very seriously. Well, January Fleming get your take on that. Because you heard our caller a couple of minutes ago saying that her of her fundamental objections right now is that we're horses are running who haven't reached the level of maturity for the kinds of racist. They're they're being asked to to run or told to run. I mean is there fundamental is there a fundamental problem here? We'll actually without the respect to the caller science shows that being in training to racing it true. Actually, it's helpful. It helps with the remodeling of the reminding of the bones and stuff, and I know this from first hand experience that you take a horse. That the husband trains, and that was not in training to they didn't believe in that put in trading at three the horse finally made it to the races Leitner four year old year. They not only experienced the issues of older horses. They start experienced the issues that young horses can go through you know, what they call Bux shinned, basically, shin-splints and stuff. So I don't really think it's that one thing I will say is that is Randy said, there's many factors in anytime. A horse suffers a serious injury one thing that I'm concerned about. And I think does not get discussed is the increasing lack of horsemanship throughout the industry and a lot of areas. People don't wanna pay their dues. Learn from the bottom up like maybe they did in the day. My concern is little problems become big problems. I'm not saying, that's what happened in all these cases. But. When the weather's bad. You don't have to send the horses track. You could just jog him under the track in the shed row. An again, I'm not trying to point fingers about why the horses at Santa Anita died of which a good number of them. We're actually on the turf course, and we're training. But I just think that maybe it needs to be a little harder to get a trainer's licence in. If you head more people that were willing to pay their season. I think there's an American phenomenon. I think I see it in journalism people don't wanna pay their dues. They just want. Immediately be a columnist without being a beat reporter. So I think maybe, you know, we need to take a look at that. And see how people know so the groom's the assistant trainers everybody. And you also have these large outfits lot traders around, and it's hard to find help that is really good and knowledgeable and knows what they're looking at. So that's an aside. I I was just texted by colleague listening to the show pointing out that Belmont. You know, New York has had its lowest data. -ality rates in decades. So toga was oh point nine seven for twenty eighteen Belmont. So was way below the national average. They are racing is taking this very seriously. And I'm not sure industry gets enough credit for the things they are doing race checked surfaces as one of that that you have to take. Really take a hard look at it in like Randy mentioned, those rains, but you know, so we'll see Jenny Leumi just jump in here in turn back to Randy. Because I appreciate Ginny bringing up sort of the the reduction in in in fatalities at other tracks. It just makes me wonder rent at Randy, though, if you as we were talking about we had a track that's designed for dry hot, dry weather. Why didn't they close it sooner? When there was all this unusual, weather, and you you had the beginning of the fatalities versus twenty two horses having to die before they closed down. Sure. Believe me if they had any idea that these fatalities we're going to continue. That's exactly what they would have done in. No way. They want to be part of the firestorm. That Santa Anita wound up founding finding itself right in the middle of during this spate of injuries. They called in some of the some of the the world's foremost experts. In racing surfaces had them examined the racing surface. They were told that the that the racing surface was just fine. There was nothing wrong with it. So they went ahead and continued the race meeting and and the breakdowns continued. So you know, they tried to take some precautions it. I think they would say right now, if you ask them, you know, were you mistaken, should you have stopped racing earlier in hindsight looking what happened? They would probably say, yes. But when they're in the middle of it, they took precautions they thought they were sufficient, but as it turned out, they weren't. Well, let's go back to our callers. Doug is calling from ache in South Carolina. Doug, you're on the air. Thanks for having me on. I just wanted to bring up one point. I've been doing this just about all my life. I started on the race track with Frank Whiteley and David Whiteley back in the day. And I think that a lot of these breakdowns should part of the blame these to go on the breeders back in the day. It wasn't unusual to see racist going two miles to an applaud or the discovery of Aquidneck a mile and a half race on average everyday card was not unusual. But then they started breeding to sell as opposed to breeding to race. And I think that they started to breathe a lot of the soundness out of these horses. They bred for speed. Now, you know, if our cure old and frightening can go down there and a mile and ten and change. They're all over it. And they're paying millions of dollars for them. But you know, can they get a distance of ground and convince stay sound for more than two years. I don't Randy. I I'm sure you're you know, you have an opinion on that. Go ahead. Well, I think it's a very very good point in. It's something that's been. That's been talked about for a long time. You know, you go back decades and decades in the sport. And the sport was basically ruled by aristocratic families who owned breeding farms in Kentucky who raised their own horses who then had their own racing stables. And they were you know, they were breeding horses to run themselves. Now, those families have for the most part died out. There's only a couple that are still in business. And now the sport ownership of horse racing is populated to a large extent by people who buy horses at auction. They buy horses at yearling sales meaning one year old horses or they buy them when they're when they're age two, and what this is created is an entire industry of of breeding farms that breed with one objective, and that is to get the highest amount possible. For their horses. When they put them at auction without really any sort of commitment to how long the horse can remain in training. They are they're breeding for speed there. Breeding for precociousness their breeding for attractiveness but not necessarily breeding for durability. And I think that has changed the equation in terms of the overall structural soundness of the modern thoroughbred, I want to get another call in here. Susan's calling from yellow springs, Ohio. Susan, you're on the air. Hi, I'm calling as I w y so listener and on my fear is taking thoroughbreds off the track and rehoming them and make sure that they could have second careers. There's been a lot of changes in the industry as rainy pointed out the breeding of the horses is out of control. There's no limit to the number of of horses that are bread. There's no thought of are they going to raise are they going to stay found. Our you know, what's going to happen to them? We just had a situation last week where an entire crop of California thoroughbreds from from a note breeder wound up in a kill Penn from a known kill buyer. These horses are slaughtered for me. They're never thought about it. Again. I spent forty fifty minutes listening to everyone, you know. Catch over the Kentucky Derby, two minutes of racing a year and not one single person has talked about what happens to the thoroughbreds. Don't make it to the Kentucky Derby what happens to thoroughbreds who have no second career because when they were raised they were raised to the point of breakdowns, and maybe they weren't euthanized on the track when they went they were finally given a chance to do something else in there. They have no value. They have no value because they're the physical conditioning is zero now and you're talking about the Super Bowl of racing. So my entire Facebook has been taken over by people, you know, worried and concerned with opinion about the Kentucky Derby, but there's no conversation whatsoever about thoroughbred aftercare, and what the industry is doing to protect its athletes overall from the beginning from the breeding shed until they they hopefully wind up in second careers with people like me who grew. Up grew up with sport, or as thoroughbreds who understand, you know, that they are incredible athlete that they're very sensitive that they're that. They're the best Fort Worth is in the world will Susan I'm gonna take it back from you there. And thank you so much for your call because you've brought us to a fundamental point here that that should under this entire conversation. January's let me turn back to you. What's your responsive Susan's basic critique about how the sport is a whole treats its athletes. It's it stars. It's animals. Well, I'll say it in fairness to this show. We had one conversation. When topic we let's come back and do another show once, but Susan's point, which is a very good point, the industry really has made great strides in one of the things that all segments came together was the thoroughbred after Karelians, and it it accredits rehab and retirement and rehoming adoption facilities. And it makes sure those horses or get good care. And then it raises money and funds them, and it's funded by you know, people selling horses buying horses owners opposes when they they per start the race tracks pretty much everybody in the industry, but it's a it's a race without a finish line. You're until every horse has a home is Susan says a good home safe home when it's through racing then. You cannot declare victory, but more and more efforts are being made and thoroughbreds that she knows make fantastic second career off the track thoroughbreds competitors. And it could be there just a writing horse. It could be there a lawn ornament that there are a lot of people that can get a lot of pleasure from these amazing animals. The industry is making progress on this is it could just be hard to change in any industry. Look at the NFL with a concussion protocols and stuff racing has its challenges. But the people that think that they're not trying to correct those challenges I think are being unfair. Well ahead. Twenty to thirty years ago. Magna you never heard anything about thoroughbred aftercare. You never heard anything about an organization that was dedicated to finding second careers for horses and good homes for horses after the racing careers. Now, they're all sorts of organizations that are dedicated to that could the sport do better. Yes, could do better and making sure that the horses that run or one hundred percent sound and able to run as healthy horses. Yes. But as far as the third red after there are steps in the right direction. They're being taken. Well, Randy moss horse racing analyst for NBC sports with us today from Saint Paul Minnesota. Thank you so much for being with us. And Jenny wreath. She covered horse racing for thirty five years for the Louisville courier journal. She's now publicity director for the park in Kentucky downs race tracks with us from Louisville Kentucky, Jenny generous. Thank you so much. Thank you. I Magnin talker. Bardy this is on point.

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In The Gate #442 - Who's the Champ?

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In The Gate #442 - Who's the Champ?

"Hey this is Kirk herbstreet. Welcome back to this great college football rivalry earlier today we miked up the huddle. And here's what we heard. He didn't what town it is ready for this game. We're not say smoke. Say Sausage pins in Akron told to fire up that grew intense home gate. ECKRICH do you the three year old champion male maximum security code of honor or Omaha Beach will debate that plus us. The site of the world's first million dollar horse race is short on dollars and short on time to secure them. We'll dive into all of those topics on the first edition of year nine in the gate. The Gate optimistic as we. This is in the gate. ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams who can follow all of me on twitter at Abrahams voice for facebook at Barry. Abrams voice. You can also get us on our youtube channel by searching indicate podcast you can find us on stitcher. soundcloud the the pink apple podcasts and of course in the listen TAB AT ESPN DOT com for the full in the gate experience. Subscribe now in the Listen Tab at. ESPN DOT COM. And please please take a minute to rate and review the show. Who knows maybe all those reviews will get the folks at America's best racing to include us this coming year in the fan choice awards for best podcast? Are you listening out there. APR Good now. We have far more important political military and socioeconomic omic problems to worry about in the country than worrying about. WHO's the best three year old in American thoroughbred racing but best three year old is more fun and really? It's the only year end award. That's got some intrigue after all three year old is the Glamour Division and we have three pretty good candidates for the award maximum. MOM SECURITY HAS A to late lead. Respond to Rod had maximum security. There's got to put the exclamation point on his three year. Old Season. He smoked smoke them in the cigar mile about her taking the lead author of John Velazquez but one run. I mean Trevor's chance lot lot fully extended trying to fend off the classy Omaha beach shops lot digging in Omaha beach at two chance. LoC hop H H H. What training job? I've Richard Mandella as he wins. Ducks Avenida sprint champion. One of these horses will be named champion three year old at the eclipse awards on January. Twenty third so who will be named champ. Let's get some perspective from someone who's seen all three run in person and that's it's our first guest of two thousand twenty. Our good friend Bobby Hall to operates the New York hot list. Andy Capping Service. So how do you size up the three of them by right. Both of the top three zero was maximum security one for them honor Stack Omaha. I think it would basically all the maximum security. I think it's one of these generates. No sounds is a really Extremely good I was just super impressed with watching him in the Cigar Cigar Mile. And when you look at that rate at the end of Serres difficult year for him to be that I think he's really really something I don't think he should have come down to the dirty. I don't think that was something that in past years. What if I'm down I leave? He was good enough to win the Kentucky Derby he wound up only losing one time and he did from both of star he is or has exceptional town. He went out there. He was granted under one degrees and got the big that knocked them out of the crowd. It's understandable he got colic very serious illness knocking out of the greatest stuff that's understandable. And then when he came back he came back and exceptional right at the college. I think that's the worst and I think when you look at his campaign it was the best campaign. Also because because there's the time quote him on her face and he because he finished in front of him on her though he is the best stores we had the most deserving campaign overcame the most coking hunter very good about that he went to travers. He wins the Jockey Club. My gotTa say on that one. I'm not sure if the winner. I should've come down in that race. But anyway he lost. He was an inch away from. You know he just didn't fire on that practice eater which I won't vote against them. That's a lot of words. We didn't have a chance if you didn't get I run or early. You were winning these tire tracks. I can forgive him that so I'll put in doubt the second over hoppy who no disgrace the head when they get hurt but you know his winning the Derby Pratt is one thing you you really WanNa do something. After that he had A. I got a very good raced in Santa Anita's Sprint Championship. But was it for a long and then in the dirt mile very where he again had a chance to shine and win a Brita supper as it may be the only one of those three who would win a very very. He'd been a second thought. It was a good second. I don't think it was a great Brian. My I think my was not aware enough about that track and I think he waited too long to make his move but still he did finish finished back in there so when I kind of put all of that together I it led me to a maximum security code of honor and offbeat well certainly Omaha beach. Just didn't didn't have enough on the resume he just hadn't had enough races and the horse that beat him spun to run in the dirt. Mile ended up finishing second second to maximum security in the cigar mile so Omaha beach thanks for playing. They had to have three entrance. It really to me comes down to maximum security and code. Would've honor and so just to play devil's advocate which is what I do. I mean. Maximum security was disqualified of course from the Derby Code of honor was was one of those horses affected and he was coming on the inside. I mean I'm guessing from what you're saying you don't think code of honor would have gotten to maximum security if everyone everyone runs straight. I don't yeah. I don't think he was really impacted. I think the horses I I feel like we're we always more impacted I I really really don't think code of honor was impacted. He made his movie made a very good strong movie he stayed on. The rail came up real strong. Move looks like he could win the right right. He just didn't really finish the way he needed to finish. And even if you make that walk the fact the one time they had raised so interfere maximum security beat them and You know I just think when you look after that that you see the winning the hassle you see the other win and you know code did not really run. Well the Breeders Cup. I mean that that does come back to haunt you. I mean I think the race track played a big role in that but still You when you're trying to compare people head to head you've gotta take those things into consideration at. He finished a good second or third in the Breeders Cup. I think maybe I would have voted for code of honor but When you finished like that I I just I just go from? I had to go for maximum security because says I just thought and to say You talk about the performances. I think that's on one level. You also consider what he overcame. It wasn't the easiest of us again again. Just to play devil's advocate. Two of the races. He ran this year. Were a listed steak at monmouth which he didn't even win after the Derby and then a grade three the bold ruler which he did win but a grade three against lesser competition. So you really basing this on the cigar mile the the Haskell and the Florida Derby and I guess to a lesser extent the Kentucky Derby three year old champion winning listed stake in June. That seems a a little bit incongruous to me. Well I think you have to say you say he's consideration You know a lot of what happened in the rates. I mean again. This was a horse that had its share a physical problems. I think that race in the Pegasus with which was the listed stake. I think he's pretty good horse in King Day. I mean that was a pretty good choice. Kotto honor to at the start of the year he ran in one hundred thousand dollar. Unlisted listed stakes was four. You know when you look at the whole record of code of honor he only one has to start. You know he won or out of eight starts in two thousand nineteen so he had four losses. maximum-security have one lost and then a disqualification in which he did win the race so You know I just think I think Conan Bonner honor is just said to travers Was a very nice win for him. No doubt great effort and the Jockey Club again when you finish seventh in degrees got classic and you got beat fifteen gene lane. That was the view is more competitive than the greer stuff. I think he could have been. I just think back when security did not not giving one bad effort or year. I mean the timing lost the on both coming out of the gate Inner raised up. It's basically a phrase for them and That's really the only time anyone finishing Brunton. I can say with code of honor. You do happen walking. You know in a lot of them. There's no keep artist koskoff classic. Has he not run the plastic. It might have been easier to make enforce making the three and I could understand if they didn't want to go out so you had campaign. He had a tough campaign totally different tracks. Where we did not buy it and you hate to take that away from a horse so when you're looking at another aww really if you're gonNA say what was this off is what buffalo stumbled starting to each one length and this excess rain turned out to be the second choice lights than the actors in the Haskell to me that's just a better resume overall I have a little bit more to say about? Maximum securities. Candidacy is three zero world champion. Which I'll say from my commentary at the end because they know everybody who listens stays all the way to the end to listen to the commentary right Bobby? A halt of the New York hot list is our first guest of two thousand twenty here on the gate now. The horse that won the Breeders Cup dirt bile beating Omaha beach is spun to run and he will be facing Omaha beach again in the Pegasus World Cup. The first major race of two thousand thousand twenty but maximum security will not be there and code of honor will not be there. Maximum security is waiting for Saudi Arabia. The world's richest race the Saudi Cup in February. It's very tempting to make this a political discussion. I'll only do it to the extent of saying with what's going on in the Middle East right now. How do you think that is going to impact whether trainers bring their horses over for the Saudi Cup and or the Dubai World Cup in March or maybe they take a look at that Pegasus again and say maybe we ought to just stay here that that's a very hard question to answer? Ah It's hard to understand how people feel I will say this. I am confident in saying that the people especially in Dubai. We're ruler of the country behind that I think they're going to bend over backwards to provide security and take care of the park I I would hope the same thing's going to happen in Saudi Arabia race and then just not become a outer tech or anyone but that is a question question that you just can't answer. I think it's very hard. It's an individual decision to a Lotta funny. I understand when people go play a lot of people who have no dog in the adviser to come up with answers of morally questions. And what they're gonNA do when not to you. Gary West was all set to run his voice Independence when it was nine nine billion dollar I. He was happy to take the fourbillion winter. Share the person. Just go to the Middle East but when you cut the first out of nowhere to three billion winter I'll get one point five billion something like that and you have just wants to you know once in a lifetime could easily win ten million dollars and probably turn around that month and win a twelve million dollar right I. It's hard because this is an expensive sport and as much as these people arrested of of money that goes into this so You understand it as of now. I haven't heard anyone saying they're going to change their mind about going. I'm sure people are a little bit nervous but I mean let's be frank. I think anytime you over. There is probably reason to be nervous. So it's just an individual decision and I wouldn't chastize anyone. Whatever they they decide because it feels like them? That's their call. It's not it. I make my own decision on my life. You make your own decision on your own life and I think that's the way it goes. Oh by the way. I think you're under selling the Saudi Cup. I believe the purses twenty million dollars. Well it's ten million the whip you get ten billion but it's it's one that that that's what I'm saying he gary West is looking at it. I will get sent. Don't get out of the home and billion dollars if I say in that term so you can when you look at it now. You basically have to win the Pakistan that in line with at one point I for share of the first compares to the ten million that he will win. Take home for winning the Saudi Cup where he will be the favorite and a one term mounting great definitely. I Dunno betting Saudi Arabia. But I know American pools. He's GonNa behavior and you running for stabbing tons of money. That's a pretty compelling nonetheless in the Pegasus World Cup you do have. Some horses is with some credentials including higher power. The Pacific Classic winner. We mentioned Omaha Beach. roadster for Bob Baffert is aiming toward the Pegasus. And you will be there. How do you see this first? Major race of the year shaping up that force right now in training maximum very doubt after that case to be made then Omaha Aubenas bunch of wrong especially violent eight might be the second and third bout with McKinsey right there with them so when you get fun to run and Omaha Beach I think he got a pretty darn good race. I mean it's interesting possibilities. Are the horses doing nominated at the box He's done. I'm very well. This is of course. A lot of people east might have remembered with Chad Brown Barrasso. And you know he was good you know. He got coming up. In the minor spot that West to John Adler Verona's ray thing all of a sudden. He's winning all these steaks and eat it. You can't east to Churchill even lost or any blocks. We'll see if he's going to be the ones that they decided to send into the race. It'd be a good one back wizar- people know this story. That fifteen thousand dollars who ran against maximum security and the world's most famous Amos. Sixteen Thousand Dollars Eight lamer and it'll be in there. I think it'll be a big competitive fourth. It doesn't I think have the superstar. One runner arrogate powerpoint chrome Omaha beaches in that category But it's interesting. It's good to get back into talking about racing and Bobby Hall. Nobody better to do it with so. Thank you so much barry. Thank you always chat that with you so when we come back here on the gate. The site of the world's first million dollar horse race is short on dollars and short on time time to secure them. Welcome back to win the gate in July of two two thousand. Nearly twenty years ago Churchill. Downs home of the Kentucky Derby purchased Arlington Park in Chicago for nearly seventy one million dollars. Arlington's owner Dick Duchossois had closed the track in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight and nine hundred ninety nine saying that he could not compete with other gambling businesses. The opened again in May may of two thousand presumably with the knowledge that a sale was coming at the time. Churchill was in something of an arms race against the stronach group. When it came to buying up tracts the idea was to create networks of tracks for simulcasting and cross promotion of races and Events in nineteen ninety nine Churchill bought calder race course in Miami and Hollywood Park in California and then bought fairgrounds in New Orleans in two thousand and four? This was meant to counter the STRANA group which began its buying spree in nineteen ninety eight with Santa Anita then they added Gulfstream Park in Florida. Both major Maryland tracks Laurel and PIMLICO as well as golden gate fields and Portland Meadows and Oregon stronach versus Churchill. Wasn't exactly the Cold War. But the battle lines had been drawn it it seemed that Churchill was the first to blink Churchill dumped Hollywood park like a hot potato in two thousand five just six years after buying it. Churchill said at the time that California has forsaken racing and its needs reports came from fairgrounds in two thousand thirteen that the turf course was too dangerous juris to race and that the track had been poorly maintained ever since the churchill purchase at the same time Churchill was trying any maneuvering possible to get out of its obligation obligation to operate racing at calder. Eventually the STRANA coned Gulfstream Park worked out a lease agreement to run the calder meet in October and November this year. Two Thousand Twenty is the final year of Churchill's obligation to lease the meat after which it may convert the track into a shipping logistics center. Or something like that. which brings us to Arlington home of the first ever million dollar race in one thousand nine hundred eighty one need fix it? On the outside Arlington's future has been uncertain for many years but now the combination a nation of a new gaming bill in the state of Illinois and the lack of a written agreement with good old Churchill. Has the folks at Arlington quite worried. Let's get some perspective perspective on this growing concern from Nicole new list who writes and blogs for the website blinkers off dot com. That's blinkers DASH OFF DOT com. She's based in the Chicago Land Area and we welcome to call for the first time here to win the gate so first of all. Explain the new gaming bill signed in two thousand nineteen by Governor Jay Pritzker Pritzker and what that means for Arlington. Okay so the Gaming Bill Thirty five thousand feet something that will not raising his new clamoring for since and at least the late. Nineteen nineties based on old articles. I've been reading it and Illinois Racing News and goodness knows where the gaming and bill means that you can have gaming at the racetrack now. It is a full. 'cause you know bill it's not just slot machines. It allows horse race tracks to have up to twelve hundred gaming positions Asians of slot machines and table games. Now it means that for all the tracks not just Arlington. There are three tracks Illinois Arlington Arlington. Hawthorne and Fairmont Park Now Fairmont and Hawthorn of both said great. We're planning on doing the gaming here expansion plans. They've both put in their applications with Gaming Board. And now it's under the wrong. If you under the Gaming Board Arlington Jason. It's so little more oranje. Mainly because Churchill downs INC which is the parent company for Arlington also owns a majority stake in the parent. Company of Rivers Casino Rivers Casinos in dust plans which is a suburb. Out of. Twenty minute drive from Arlington Park. Doc I take the train out to Arlington Park Desk planes. It's four stops up the metre from Arlington Park. So pretty close and and really. That was the thousand pound gorilla in the room in the dates. Hearing this year the daring is basically just where you go before or the racing board being like. Hey these are the race states that we plan to run next year and bill became a big issue for that because it was the first a big racing board meetings since the announcement that Arlington was going to seek a casino why would churchill by Rivers Casino when when they already owned a track where a racy no was going to be allowed. We've all been kind of wondering that same thing. It seems like in recent recent years a lot of Churchill downs per purchases they've diversified a lot further from just being a horse racing company and bought a lot got more to you know properties online gaming properties. And you know obviously I'm not a fly in the wall and Churchill's corporate board room and most people know racing aren't but none of us saw is a good sign put it that way well Churchill. CEO l.. Bill Carr stallion actually made no bones about being upset that part of the would-be casinos profit at Arlington would have to go to race purses so that kind of tells you where he is in terms of racing versus gaming. What do you think about that? Yeah that I've told a bunch of people this and I'll say it here very very much felt like saying the quiet part loud to me. They're doing what they're doing in Kentucky and they're putting the they're putting the energy into all turf way but as far as Arlington. It really is disappointing to see that the person that shot up the way they are whereas there about the gaming person the gaming money going as being some kind of onerous demand and another thing that speaks to that same idea is one of the other things that healing Roy Gaming Bill Allowed is sports betting the thing is though the slot positions the table game position and that has to subsidize purses sports betting does not and Arlington has announced plans to do sports betting like in other words. It's not like you. You can either have a certain number of gaming positions or sports betting you can have a number of gaming positions and sports betting. Am I getting that right. Yes yes it's allowing gaming positions and sports betting and you know the other tracks are planning on having sports betting to you're going to be able to that sports off on you're going to be able to bet at sports at Fairmont. But they're also planning on having the gaming positions that fund the purses whereas Churchill Arlington they have not announced any sort of plans to do a casino. They've said they're not pursuing it at this time but they're interested in doing sports betting well while we've detailed on this show in the past many times how shortsighted a racine. Oh can be. When it comes to thoroughbred racing's long term mm-hmm health how much could array Sinoe and or sports betting at Arlington stanch the bleeding in the short term sports? Betting going to do a whole lot ought to stanch the bleeding and Illinois because that money is not going to go towards purchase. It may do a little bit in the sense of bringing people into combat sports but without better purses it's going to continue to be a lot more attractive to send horses to other local jurisdictions that have better supplemented purses states like Minnesota Iowa Indiana. All all who some supplemental gaming and that makes the purses higher than they are in Illinois and then also from the breeding perspective breeding in Illinois has been going down down down in recent years like my favorite read of the year is the only full report. But it's also a little aside just because of how the full crops have been dropping the only way that the full crops no annoy are not going to keep dropping. The way they are is if people who breed horses Souza's have any sort of confidence that there's a long term plan for stability in Illinois now with these capital improvements for the casinos Hawthorne going in and Planning on Building Casino Fairmont going in and Planning on building a casino that is a long term capital improvement. And I think a sign of confidence that between that and the person money from the casino may help bring the breeding back Arlington on the other. Hand the fact that they're not putting in the capital improvement to do something that will bolster the purses. That certainly doesn't help Nicole. New List of the website blinkers off. That's blinkers blinkers DASH OFF DOT com joins us here on the gay. She's also a chart caller at Hawthorn. Something that would just blow my mind. I shudder to think what comment line should use on me but so so now. Naturally the the Illinois thoroughbred Horsemen's association is upset that Churchill is betraying not just the horsemen but the lawmakers who amended the gaming bill to allow allow for an Arlington Park. racy no in the first place in your mind. How viable is their complaint? I think it's a legitimate complaint. It does feel like a slap slap in the face after several decades of Arlington. Trying to push for. Hey we need we need supplemental gaming. We need something else to keep. Keep this going on and going back to what I was saying about. The racing board meetings was the thousand pound gorilla in the room. It was commissioner macaulay when he was doing the questioning during the first half of the states meeting with like what changed. He brought this stack of papers and it was these printouts of Arlington's and of legislative lobbying legislative information documents and and there was a lot of it that was saying we need supplemental gaming. We need a gaming bill. We need a gaming bill and he asked what changed and at the meetings they were dancing around it but everyone else in. That room was like well. We're pretty sure we know what changed. And what changed was does CDI buying a majority interest in Rivers Casino River Casino. Being Twenty minutes up the road from Arlington and in a sense I get it. They get a bigger cut from shareholders. The company gets bigger cut from the gaming position at rivers versus the gaming position at Arlington Park. But but that's one of the cost of doing business as a racetrack is you've got to fund the purses and it's a conflict of interest Churchill claims they can only offer a hundred and thirty thousand dollars a day in purses the Illinois horsemen want two hundred thousand per day on average to run their meat in two thousand twenty. What do you make of that? Well one hundred thirty thousand dollars a day still a decline from recent years the two hundred thousand dollars a day is definitely definitely a step up from what it's been recently and a goal to make it competitive with surrounding states and at this point the way things are going I don't think they're getting up to two hundred thousand dollars a day without series in some of their money or finding another source of revenue. Be It gaming gaming or taking from something else within the business we all know how negotiation works you gotTa Shoot High and hope you're going to meet in the middle somewhere hundred hundred thirty though that's probably not gonNA be enough to keep people around for the long term. Where do you see this going? It's really hard to tell because I'm loads of anything until I see what happens in twenty twenty. We still need something in twenty twenty to be able to tide through to twenty twenty one and what I figured it would be. The next. Big fight was getting a contract in place with Arlington in the first place. As we've mentioned with the person being one of the big sticking points that's not in place yet we're in unchartered territory. Usually that contract had to it'd be in place before the race meet started. The law changed in twenty nineteen. It now has to be in place before the turn of the year. And it's not so I don't know a long long term. Let's say Arlington never puts a casino in there. I'm I'm not sure it survives unless they end up selling the someone else who does and. I'm not sure how much that's going to happen because again that would be a competitor for Rivers Casino. Now it was a little e envision a future say. The worst case scenario happens in. Arlington isn't the thing. It was easier envision the future when there was the new harness track on the horizon because you could possibly see okay then you harness track. Builds old harness runs their thoroughbred runs Hawthorne All Year Long Fairmont continues to run down in Saint Louis and it would be tough. Awesome that we'd lose kind of the big world show place of racing but we'd have stable tracks that have really bought into this racing racing though a plan but with the wrench thrown into it of okay. It doesn't look like that track. Tinley Park is going to happen after all all then. The harness horsemen are hung out to dry of. Hawthorne doesn't continue to run harness part of the year and thoroughbred part of the year. I don't know I don't know if this matters at all it might not. It might just be Nero. Fiddling while Rome Burns but Arlington basically runs one big day a a year. Let's be honest and the money for those big stakes races on Arlington Million Day seemed to go to out of state trainers. There's an owner's Chad Brown. As we know won all four major stakes on Arlington Million Day in two thousand nineteen. So you have these Illinois Horseman. This men who are not even getting the big money does that factor in at all to what's going on here. I was certainly there have been suggestions. That okay so you're not gonNA do the casinos to try and bolster your purses. Well we know where a large bag with money is that is being carried out of state every single year. Why not used to bolster purses and so yeah? It's it's an idea that's been floated floated out there. It doesn't seem from from my perspective from what I've picked up like wanted. That Arlington is particular. Unable to given that it is is there. Is there big race today. And if they lose that publicity or Arlington Park for what they are. But doc they're going to have to figure out something to keep these persons competitive or else it's hard to see the future for them very sobering way to start the new a year but perspective. We certainly need and Nicole. We appreciate your giving it to us. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I'm happy to talk to you. You about this or anything else are. Thanks once again to Nicole new list and bobby halt. You may believe that. Maximum security is three-year-old year old the year you may think he got robbed on Derby Day or maybe you think code of honor winds were more impactful could Omaha. Beach have kept them both at bay but only one of them is headed to the same breeding operation that has to triple crown champions Intel so with stats among the three horses. We mentioned fairly similar similar. Why was this? How cool more chose to go? They won't say this but I think one factor was just plain hype. How owner Gary West kept filing suits and offering side wagers on maximum? Security's future races hinting. That rivals would only ever see his gluts in a world saturated with media Hype is not that difficult and Gary West has used it perfectly to land the big windfall for a horse who might but might not be that great but has jumped to the top of his class. Commercially you can get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate. podcast you can get us on. Soundcloud stitcher apple podcasts. Or the listen TAB at E._S._P._N.. Dot Com and you can follow me on twitter at Abrahams boys or on facebook at Barry. Abrams voice that's in the gate for this week. I'm Barry Abrams. 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