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Tamarack Cellars Firehouse Red 2017
"Stave from cheap wine, fighter dot. com. With another wind today. We've just put on the cheap wine finder dot com website. We have eleven, years reviews all basically affordable lives and this one is a red blend from. Columbia Valley. From tamarack cellars, they're they're basically a Bow Take style, single vineyard kind of. Kind of winery but this is their firehouse red blend. It's twenty seventeen. and. It's got to be collected group of grapes. There's a whole bunch. There's Grenache. Merlot and Soviet, Blonde Gannett remember all of them. There's others two percent of this whom wide was coon winder send your basic for though. I think carbonate Ron. There's just a ton of different grapes, percentages and some very. Precise blend which I have like. Some blends you know there, you can't tell one grape, the other you just tastes good but you don't really. Case, individual grapes this when you, I think you Kinda I. I quite honestly don't know taste like. A blending grape from the Rhone Valley. have before, but in a blend, so I couldn't tell you and there's all these different flavors coming in through there like each one even though there's two percent of this three percent of that in the main grape has thirty, three percent and twenty, seven percent. There is no, you know this isn't like seventy percent one in a bunch of other this is really a blend. And it's their individual flavors and there's You. Know there's some of this and there's some of that I'm gonNA take a SIP. And it's. Really a good taste. There's a lot of flavor going on. And it's not just a simple wine. It is Kinda smooth on the palate with their art art things and there are challenging flavors but mostly, it's really good tasting. Because there's sours they're spicy and. There's rounded fruit. This is a really good bland I. Mean I think it's about fifteen bucks I think I've found it on sale around fifteen. And It's very precise I mean you don't add two percent of this rape and two percent of that grape unless you really really wanted in there I asked. Winemaker one time while they put one percent. Everything you add changes something you know they put it in there because they want it and there. And the OAK program the used A. Forty Percent New Oak sixty percent second and third Phil. Mostly French and American with some hung Gary O'Connor. Burian and French are pretty much the same species Americans. Different each give off different flavors. In. Every time you use Vero, the barreled gives off a little less oak. So it's forty percent new oak, which you get the full flavor, and then you get a little bit less and they do that to get the wine because this is basically a drink wine you take it home Newton, drink it. You can put it away for five or six years if you have the means to do that, but you don't have to do that. And they get the flavor exactly right where they wanted to be when it's ready to be released, which is two thousand, seventeen model. So that's what that is. This is a very good. What's at? Tamarack cellars by our house. Red Blend. It kinda sounds rustic and a little bit is a has a little rough edges has some smoothest to it it's kind. Yeah. The the name actually tells you what's going on here and I like my red blends a little bit rustic. You know I liked I liked some some little rough edges to go with. The. Ripe Fruit and I got this year I'm kind of happy with US wine I'm it tastes good. It's such a strange. Now it's a strange for such diverse. the array of. That doesn't taste like your difficult red wine not. In this day and age red wine blends are really pretty good spells you affordable ones but this has a different taste to it. That's well-made. said it's got good acidity Tanzer sweep. Particular sip because it's good. Tim Rex sellers firehouse red blend twenty, seventeen, probably twenty, seven, twenty sixteen is good to. Really good red blend Fifteen bucks taste it it actually. Tastes more expensive fifteen dollar wines expect to be really good in this one. This one of someone told you. It was thirty bucks you go. Okay. You believe it. So. There you go. That's me. I just found a good read blend doesn't mean let's dot super expensive taste. And that's all I got day we got more coming up You know. That's what we do. We've been doing it for eleven years and going on twelve. So every time. We keep on finding wise keep on talking about it and keep on writing about it. So check us out at cheap. Dot. com. Find us an apple tunes actually the website I think more people get the podcast on a website anyplace else what look for some fighters where he can. Audio's over now take it easy and cheap.
The big business of Christmas Brussels sprouts
"The Christmas dinner is big business especially here in Britain. Thanks to one tiny green vegetable from London this is the marketplace morning report from the BBC. The World Service. I Victoria Craig. Good morning this is the sound. You'll likely hear coming from kitchens the K.. Today it's Brussels sprouts being chopped and ready for a trip around the frying pan. They can be controversial. The humble sprout has become a staple of the British Christmas dinner and marketers have seized on the public's love love hate relationship to sell the little green cabbages. I love Christmas. Pudding would not go without but nobody ever liked. Sprout spots This bricks just love sprouts at Christmas. So wokers has created new Brussel sprout flavored. Clearly the humble sprout is big business. The side of the pond ridicule goodacre a market analyst at food price provider. MIDTECH explains just how big the sprout industry the accounts for almost six hundred fifty to seven hundred million pounds on an average versus cost twenty five to thirty percent or more during the Christmas Christmas time this year. Brussels sprouts are in slightly short supply here in the UK. Why is that? What's going on June saw record amounts of rainfall in Lincolnshire her and this resulted in a flooded and damaged crops which has led to shotton supply and the situation was also aggravated by the reduction in area area by the growers? Do the poor returns over the last few years so as a result of the average wholesale price for the Brussels sprouts it has has increased a like two thousand nine month on month in the second week of December and so. Where are the Brussels sprouts? Coming from. The supply situation in Europe has also been more difficult by extreme temperatures in the continent. So this year we might expect something to be missing on our Christmas. Dinner will be missing from your dinner table. Ridiculed I am. I'm not a big fan of wrestled strokes but my daughter loves them. So yeah maybe ridicule goodacre a market analyst at food price provider. MIDTECH thank you. Thank you Victoria. Roasted sauteed or steamed one question still remains why have sprouts become a holiday essential for the answer. I went to visit food. Historian Kaori O'Connor hello come in who says it. All goes back to the Victorian era. This is a dish that was always on the table in the same way that that you have to have cranberry sauce for American thanksgiving. You could not have it without in Britain. That's what the Brussels sprouts is but got it is divisive because if you open say the famous MRIs beaten. This is sort of late. Victorian cookbook the recipes for vegetables vegetables. No matter what they are begin clean and boil until it was mushy but the big thing that's happened. In recent years is the discovery discovery of roasted vegetables and there is nothing more beautiful delicious dinner roasted sprout. So is that what you're going to have on your Christmas table. Rested sprouts outs. Yeah and the classic British Way to do it is with Bacon and chestnuts. See over here on your table beneath your Christmas tree. You've got some chocolate foil wrapped balls. That look just like Brussel sprouts. So maybe if you can't get the vegetable you can get your chocolate in. Yeah that's absolutely right and this shows that the whole Christmas dinner what can you symbolize it by. It's a sprout not a Turkey but a sprout. Gary O'Connor thank you so much. Thank you very much as visions of sprouts dancing your head. Let's do the numbers on Christmas twenty-five years after it was released Mariah Carey's all I want for Christmas. Is You hit number number one on the billboard. Top One hundred charts this month on the gift front people spend eighty five percent more on folks at Christmas than at any other time of the year. That's according to the Bank of England England and a recent study analyzed by the independent shows here in the UK. People will eat three hundred eight million slices of Turkey. Four hundred eleven million sprouts and Swig two hundred five million glasses of champagne. If you don't like your sprouts you're not alone. Estimates show the UK tosses seventeen million of the every year. That's part of the roughly eight meals a week. Households here waste. That's enough to feed one person for more than four months according to research from UK waste as charity rap helping to tackle. That problem then is Oleo. It's a free APP that connects neighbors to share food. That would otherwise go to waste. I ventured to the company's headquarters in central London to meet co-founders Sasha Celestial one high as your team gathered around a big screen. TV to talk about APP UPDATES FIFA and I got down to the business of Oleo. She started by explaining how it works. We've tried to make sharing food as friction as possible. So let's say that I've had a dinner party and I've got lots of food leftover or some people have brought by Some drinks that aren't my favorite. I simply take a picture out. A brief description and then click submit. It will get listed in the browse few and also send a push notification to other people to let them know. Food has been added near them for a lot of people. Sharing food with a stranger through an APP is still the bit of a weird thing to do so that is our biggest challenge but once they do they have an amazing experience that keep coming back. So how big of a problem is food. Waste globally over a third rid of all food is never eaten. Nearly ten percent of global carbon emissions directly related to the food we waste our global impact to date is the equivalent of eight million car miles having having been removed from the road. We've also had three million portions of food successfully shared between neighbors clearly. It's a social issue. But what about a business issue. Are you profitable we. We are not profitable and we won't be for quite some time. We are a private company with private venture capital investors and we very very firmly believed that if we can help to tackle the one point two trillion dollar a year problem that is food. Waste that we can do that in a profitable. Scalable way. Sasha's list you'll win co-founder of Oleo. Thank you thank you very much. Well whether you're sprinkling Brussels sprouts dust over your roast Turkey or sipping Brussel sprout flavor. GIN keep in mind. These are real products guys. We hope you have a wonderful holiday. Merry Christmas from all of us here in London. I Victoria Craig with the marketplace morning report from the B._B._C. World Service.
Shannon Beador & Jerry O'Connell
"Welcome to the bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of watch. What happens live with me. Andy cohen uh fun shannon's back and fund jerry will he never leaves. It's watching evans. I was shannon dougher jerry o'connell now. Hey everybody will watch it live. I'm your host. Andy cohen live in the bible cover outside the o._c. Premier night with two guys who have so much positive energy that they might put doctor moon out of a job say i realized sideboards county the new and improved shannon storms looking gorgeous and my next guest has a new talk show but the same old obsession with the house laws that we love from jerry oh debut in august twelve on fox. It's jerry gary. O'connor cannot wait for the jerry osho to start superfund. I mean it's basically going to this show but at ten a._m. On versus maybe that's why i'm so excited on tonight's o._c. Kelly joe leave. Isn't it a cat cafe pseudo night sportscenter art center someone who regularly passed the push from brooklyn cafe santa megan brosnan with general so cute. I'm allergic to cats but that's a really cute cat. Let's get started. Wow big premiere lots to discuss. You look great by the way by the way i contend. You've looked great the last twenty times i've seen you also just want you to know kelly. Kelly is enjoying her time with dr reagan a man who wants to make it very clear that he and only he is dating the dodd. Watch this march. I saw i've been dating dr reagan for three months now. I'm wearing something really sexy. Slutty ready to put on church. How come you're cool with. Dr brian 'cause golden gopher him but you go after toned. He works at the place where i got my bubis done rain drip diamond earrings beautiful rose gold fave. I know it's your favorite. We are in love your kelly squeeze kelly's boyfriend yes. It's official. What do you think jerry. I was very nervous when they were in the doctor's office. I thought he was going to propose a little freaked out there. Look i i want. I haven't been in the dating game in a while but i usually played it a little cooler. I love to see kelly finding happiness. We all want all these crazy kids to find love by by the way kelly has been going at it with tamra tonight on twitter kelly said living co. You're rich alum f._a._o. Who says says that code does the sticks. You can't buy tear down in newport beach for two million co. Does the nicer temecula tamra said you own a house. I own to pay hey for my house. I don't date old men for money. Then it went back and forth about that a by the way just want to say mazal tov to you because you you have a new fella in your life and he's actually here with you john. I got to talk to them before the show. Oh and he's a great guy. He's i mean if i can say this. He's quite a step up from mr bator both how both height wise and otherwise <hes> so congratulations jerry denise richards gave you and rebecca the gift of a lifetime. You've got to make a quick cameo on the beverly hills housewives here. You are traveling in the moment on the show jerry. It's great to see you know a lot of people think jason bateman so i just say i see jerry so nervous i i love interest royal wedding your questions for shannon jerry coming in but those here's three the things i'm obsessed with tonight. I the oh size are not afraid of a cosmetic procedure or ten but on tonight's premiere seem that shannon is treated ourselves to a fun injection jackson negatively talk and steady tequila drip. Take a look introducing the new shannon door. I lost forty pounds and gained a lot aww fun. Oh is it forty funds shannon bam back. How do you have such a nice ass doing squats all the way down kelly halle berry. There's a guy here locally which i've never. I've never called anyone made before. There's the guy in the suit and there's a guy that wears the means to work. There's a couple people on the bench. There's there's one person on the bench that japan paper. It's very good. What do you call it batting average. Yes we love fun shannon. Here's go to w. w. h. L. dot tv. I wanna know on a scale of one to ten. How much did you miss fund shannon jerry. How much did you miss shannon it was i want i tell you it was not just something i missed. It was really it was wonderful to watch you tonight chen and it really was very emotional. I have to say last season that scene where you've gone onto your car after there was some sort of hearing was maybe one of the most emotional scenes. I've seen movies tv anywhere so to see you now. Oh out kissing people before you were dating your little awkward but it was it was really fun to to watch what i can tell you in a great mood because you met the new girl last night and you didn't throw any shane yeah right all right bronwyn uh-huh amazing okay second jerry and his wife rebecca romania have spent countless hours so you about bravo shows by the way she'll be here tomorrow night but does jerry gary really listened when rebecca's talking or is he going through the lyrics to feel and giovanni and his ed. Let's find out with the bravo would game jerry. We asked rebecca bravo. Phase is yoga. Sir answers then we'll reveal jerry. What did who did what did rebecca say. Is your favorite housewives city. Oh we didn't go over this in the middle. You zoo just repayment housewife city. You know <hes>. I'm gonna say orange. I'm going to save beverly hills. Okay rebecca my favorite housewives. Twin city is real housewives of beverly hills back here. Is your favorite housewives song her favorite song. I'm gonna say money can't buy you class rebecca. My favorite housewives song is money can't buy you back the answer. Favourite house husband's favorite how definitely denise richards apollo apollo the favorite house has been was apollo. Who did rebecca saves. Her favorite vander pumped rules couple <hes> going to have to say denise and erin. I mean they'll go <hes>. I'm gonna say <hes> machine and there are good friends sassy girl okay. Let's see my favorite vendor. Pump rules couple is stacey in both you one more. I want an anti gay who did rebecca favourite below deck captain. Oh nope piece of cake captain le- let's see could be favorites alone. Thank captain is it's sandy he and captain right <music> jerry. Maybe encyclopedia of everything that's ever happened on bronco raimondo. Does he know everything that will happen. We're gonna check your psychic gifts. Okay all right. How many more men do you think shannon will make out with on camera hammer this season <hes> well. This is again awkward because you're a new boyfriend sitting right there very handsome but <hes> one last night so i'll say one nine one night okay. Wow that's a lot of kelly ever forgive vicky for accusing her of doing coke. Come on kelly's cool like that okay is steve. The man who will finally phil biggies love. Thanks for the rest of her life. <hes> home so that's crazy. Kids make got we'll ever relationship. Issues view resolved when chain passes the bar dr thought it was super weird that shane was that his mommy and daddy's house and didn't tell anybody he was there. I i hope so. I mean i hope so we'll l._v._n. And kyle ever repair their friendship no wow all right. Thank you very much terry. Shannon might be the lighter looser version of herself this season but when it comes to certain things like how many lemons go in a bowl there's some simply no compromising still so here's what an honor of consigned for choose it or lose it presented by metro by t mobile shannon and jerry. I'm going to present you with two scenarios you pick which one you could not compromise my'son. Would you rather have no glamour to reunion or not. Have the receipts to prove your innocence at a reunion. I'm saying not have the receipts now. Wow i tell the truth yes i. Would you rather have a week away in the most beautiful place. You can't post anything or have every photo you take automatically posted. I did know posting okay. Would you rather have the best room on a trip over the center of the drama or of a super gross room but stay stay out of the fray. I mean five years of in the pray. I wanna get into azure the other of a week away without access to your friend group chat or a week away without access to your e mail no vince to emails but then they're kind of boring these days like the the french hack group. That's where it's all thank you. Chrissy teigen tweeted. Oh my god kelly kelly was just wrong. In describing a cat on three levels phero will ferrell and feral. I love her so much. <hes> shannon dateline dixie wants says please share with us. Your workout regime diet. You look incredible. I mean how'd you lose the forty pounds kept yelling back and forth and i said like you've lost half that you need to commit so it's diet exercise <hes> jerry tease chardonnay stand by me and if so what did they think yeah i put it on for them. They're like the youtube generation they were like. This is too long really can't add whatever four boys care. It's nothing it's not a makeup <unk>. I'll turn it off. Let's go to alison from boston a alice which question for shannon hey and i just wanted to say first of all my fellow boston university terrier terry ears but <hes> shanna new-look phenomenal and i'm just wondering whoa you're co-parenting situation is with david and what's your relationship with his current girlfriend right now <hes> well. My divorce is finalized. Is you'll see that this season and we have fifty fifty custody with the kids so <hes> you know you always want to put the good intention out there and have this friendly relationship. That didn't didn't work out with me but that being said we're trying to compare it the best we can never. I've never met the girlfriend still okay. I would like to send a crew when you do. <music> asked texted terry on a scale from zero to andy how shady your questions on jericho well well. I mean i'm going to try to get up there by right by ambi. You know i mean they got pushed the envelope. You want people to what i said. I can't leave for this show. We've wait for this. Show yeah pedal to the andy. Yes exhorts. County viki tries to talk to kelly who gives the o. g. o. c. a big f._u. Here's the sneak peak to you. Wanna talk to you on your own go right now. She's not innocent understand this right. What if you went up to her and said. What can we do to make housing. Get better. Don't be did go kelly. Can we talk. I don't really want to talk to you. I really don't you think you're a beauty. Queen my god i don't i don't the phillies into it. One of the best kelly dodd one of the best all stars right there. Let's let's go changed from day one today right. I'm sorry i love her. You guys had fun last night. We watched. I mean you guys wasn't last night. I mean i i mean tonight. I'm six months ago right yeah. Oh okay. Let's go to brat from massachusetts brat which your question for jerry. Hey n daddy doing. My question for jerry is <hes> who is your all time favorite housewife other than shannon well. I just said kelly dodd really. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna go out on a limb orange county. It's sometimes changes is now my favorite franchise. Wow watching watching you rise from the ashes has tell you it was really touching watching you in this episode tonight. It was amazing and you know what for people who are going through bad times <music> this is this is amazing stuff. I agree with that kelly. That girl knows that a party man that is that as an instant just a good time game time everybody. I wonder who those trivia better a woman who is on the show room who watches every episode wearing a blonde wig and cut fitness a short while squeezing an orange too tightly. Let's play an o._c. Trivia game where instead of using buzzers my guests will buzz in by tossing a plate on the ground and screaming. This isn't my the play unquiet. Roaming cost the plate and say this is my plate when you have the answer during the season reunion who was tamra feuding with when she screamed that's my opinion okay joe dealer rosa lost about with speed smiley and what costume did she have to wear out what is vicky due to to send the message at something or someone is boring earth. Yes very good camera tauzin genus what it lydia called the theme parties you through in honor of her husband's vasectomies bosley is <music> river that vicky has been with multiple partners jerry dickey k. once which pravo superfan opinion you trust more chrissy teigen her michael rapaport tough one love me some wraps chrissy teigen there though she's really involved involve shannon. Anna z said tamra complained that you called her too much. Gotcha things change between youtube since the reunion. Oh absolutely i mean i think we came to resolution actually there that day and she's like a sister to me so it's like we're like family okay. Let's go to joe from jersey joe joe hi andy cohen. My question is fish shannon house. He jimmy in new bro. We we met through a mutual friend. We both went to the same college u._s._c. and but we didn't. We didn't meet that so good school. It's yes just so you know viewers. I gave him the third degree before the show double all sums up right and i knocking them. I mean you walked away handy you did. I was kind of your you had got to also also veteran with tamra before we went to him right really liked this guy was isn't he great down because i was like ooh tamra will tell me the truth. Yes <hes> carey are wants to know jerry anyone in your beverly hills posse. You would love to see become housewife this life. I mean i would love to see my wife. Become yes sir. I were you too gerry edge and there might from what i hear. There might be a slot. John might be a couple who knows just playing <hes> jerry takes. I just want to say i'm so excited for your show. I can't be a lot better as we previously today goes to the news that a portrait of beyond on say by photographer tyler mitchell will be headed to the smithsonian national portrait gallery beyond say coming to d._c. Means that the president gets to share the spotlight with a powerful and talented person of color. What could go wrong tonight. Shock all goes to bachelor and bear. It is contested. Jane forgiving fellow contestant. John paul jones tacos that made him puke in the ocean. I wanna thank santa jerry. <hes> we are back with shannon edinburgh and jerry o'connell jerry show august twelfth on fox. Check your local listings all right. Let's go back to the phones tear from virginia. Hey tara. What's your question. Hi andy hi shannon hi <hes> my question hi. My question is for jerry. Oh jerry. I'm very excited about your show. <hes> and i'm wondering if there's any problem liberty you wouldn't want to have on your show and that's a good question russian anyone. That's just too hot for tv or you. Just don't feel like you could navigate. I i gotta tell you there's no bravo liberty i would not want want to have i mean maybe the cast of apprai- skis. I love brisky joan. Let's go to get in here. I know it's long cancelled so you don't have to worry about how 'bout van kampen. I don't want that guy either. All old school jokes old school blow. Let's go to chicago. I love you love you jerry. I n d hi andy hi shannon. Hey jerry just wanted to thank you for your time in chicago today into you. Were a lighthouse and we loved you. You are so welcome and all your energy in the room. Got me back back to new york. Has all the flights started getting cancelled and literally. I ask jerry i go. You might have does the show tonight. I've never missed air in ten years but it was almost all those just the two of you yes anyway <hes> we would have got my wife or so. We're all text away. Yeah i had some contacts that i was is actually texting about private jets. Can we get some. I know anyway yes anything at this point seriously now but <hes> the per subway probably faster than chicago traffic but anyway <hes> shannon. I just wanted to congratulate. Relate you on your glow. We've kind of watched you struggle and and on indie to the credit of as a mom you let us take off our mom jeans and our turtlenecks and grow with this franchise so i also appreciate that gift but shannon. When did it click for you. <hes> where 'cause i know you hated exercise for a while. We all do when did it click for you because you have such a glow about. You and it's definitely not make up. It's not exercise is just an internal glow. Thank thank you so much. I mean i think that after turn last season i realized that it can stand on my own two feet and i don't need anybody else but myself and that gave me the confidence but i still had the physical issues that i had to make that commitment to lose all the weight and i still can't stand exercise but i tell you what i like walking because when you walk to one point and i do a release steep hill you gotta walk home. You can't uber somebody said that to me. Yesterday you know so walking has been quite helpful valerie from northport. Hey valerie hey andy. I just wanted to tell shannon how great she looked and i wanted to ask jerry. <hes> is he going to have a catchphrase like wendy does <hes> you've been listening new. You've been looking for catchphrases. I've been following on social media found one yet. I gotta kill you. You know wendy of course has the how how you doing. I think i think we're going to go with i mean i'll let me just tried out here and see how you guys like it. If i come out and i'll be like jerry <music> all know you great guys. It's in it's in the show when you see me on monday august twelve when you see me come out and go jerry oh <music> even crazier and crazier tonight tonight on the o._c. Premier we went the new shannon storms vidor who's also been meeting quite a few new men babe. Can i call you babe yeah <hes> anyway. Let's learn some more of shannon's rules of romance with around of shannon's a be dating do's and don'ts. I've some topics for you do do or don't go dot on the first date. Okay no doubt right do or don't have a man pick you up at home well. If you don't know them yeah you meet him. Don't do or don't eat garlic on a first date at do or don't make out on a first date. Doer don't get drunk on a first date a couple cocktails doer. Don't tell your new about your dating history. Slash marriage talk about dur. Don't have a one night stand illinois eight cents shoes on doer. Don't go all the way on third date now. No not on this date at what d- what you've got to get to know the person sex is a commitment yeah do or don't introduce your new b._f. To your kids after a month steak you can be from virginia kennedy. What's your question high fan. <hes> you look amazing by the way thank you. I was just wondering winters window last time that you talk to heather dubrow he no. I haven't spoke to her at all. I mean i see her out from time to time and we're friendly and we're cordial but <hes> i don't know what she was out the show. We didn't really maintain a friendship. Let's go to miranda from houston maranda. What's your question. Hey i was just wondering if <hes> wendy's doing okay with everything that's going on with her life since her and jerry you're so close and she's taking over or he's taking over for her for a while well. I'm not taking over for windy the wendy show i work for i work for wendy. This is a spin off of her show show. She's my boss. She's doing great. I mean she's doing great. Let's go to jake from michigan jake. What's your question hayes any. How are you. I'm great. Hey thanks my question for shannon shannon's so here's the thing i think that gina was there for you last season and i think that she really wanted to support were you. How are you guys doing. This season. Were good but let's not forget the last words yard open shots and that's that's how we ended it. I mean that's how you saw it but no i i've been there for her. This season and we did develop a mind. I will debate you on whether you thought that she was there for me last season's because we've had conversations about it but you know everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I guess so that's what's fun about this. Show all right. I wanna think shannon and jerry watch the zero august five central nagin brosnan consider berlin cock-up. Thank you megan adopt these these cats. Thanks for listening to the podcast. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. 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114. Alarm Bells
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That's the real real dot COM. Promo code real twenty percent off select items on with the show rid of most of the leads in climate. Change Cups. I just like to start again. One of the big problems about working climate change is I think we still have quite limited vocabulary and tons of. How do we talk about this? And because it's scary because it's abstract we have extra challenges. About how are we gonNA talk about this anyway unless bell here has to talk about it though because she's director of communications at the climate charity possible and the author of the new book? Can WE SAVE PLANET? Climate Change has been allowed to stay dormant and tons of language change and just culture generally. Because we've been avoiding told me about it and I'd say that we are generally quite inarticulate when it comes to climate change but we have seen the power of new phrases helping unlock some new conversations in the last year in particular climate crisis. I think he's one of them in. May Twenty nine th. The Guardian newspaper announced that they were updating their style guides to replace the term climate change with climate emergency crisis or breakdown got innocent. A style guide out to say that and say global heating rather than global warming. What's the difference? Drink global heating Anglo woman. I'm not entirely convinced that there is that. I'm I'm a bit of a global ugly heating skeptic in I believe it is happening however I'm just skeptical that that phrase is going to catch on but we'll see I still think it looks a little bit odd. Maybe warm doesn't sound hot enough to make people scared. That's part of it is questionable. About whether Abe's words will be enough to scare US where the fear is actually the action that we want to trigger. I think one of the reasons for using climate crisis rather than climate changes that people want alert other people to the fact that it is a problem and that they should be worried. A piece of Kind of environmental psychology. That a lot of us in climate change campaign's use. Which is this idea that if you hear fire alarm or even if you smoke you're probably right act until you see other people starting to act because you assume it's a practice yet. It's not the alarm itself. That's what sets you off. It's watching other people running with water and there's lots of things you can do to be that signal in the world of being someone running with water to help other people realize that it's real and make it real and that something needs to be about thought saying Climate Crisis Robin. Climate change is one of those things and. I don't think it's going to work on. Its Own. Sometimes attendances campaign has to be like if I find this Pathak phrase. It's GONNA I'm like action and then we'll live. Utopia and language works like that but it will play a role. It's not that it has no power tool. Sometimes that power has been to played down the problem of humans. Climate impact. Language actually comes into this a lot there so many ways that the industry has tried to use monkeying with language as a way to really kind of own and shape. The story. My name is Amy Westervelt. And I'm a captain of Industry Oil Derrick. And you got yes. I'm a corporate titan no my name is Amy Westervelt and I'm a climate journalist and a podcast. Her who does the podcast drilled drilled is a podcast about the creation of climate. Denial not the denial of the existence of climate but the denial that climate has been changing in a negative way and humans are the primary cause even the term climate change was something that Pr Guy came up with right wing PR. Guy Frank. Luntz frank lanston quantum. It had been around for decades already but when he was working for George W Bush's administration in the early two thousands. He encouraged this linguistic shift with the sole purpose of making climate. Change seem less dangerous. They thought it sounded better than global warming. They thought it sounded more natural. You know like it's just a natural phase it happens. It's not human. There's no like you know active verb happening warming. It's just change. Man Happens so yeah. Franklin has since disavowed this move language and climate is a really interesting topic because hopefully it is a space on all sides but definitely in journalism. Rom that's been largely shaped by the industry the oil industry and therefore kind of softened in all these weird ways that you almost even notice until you like think about you know why was it so effective. Do you think it's because people wanted to believe it because believing. The realities are uncomfortable and terrifying. Yeah I think so yeah. I think it's a much more pleasant thing to think that. Oh climate change has just been made up by a bunch of people who are like getting rich off of solar or like a bunch of hippies who hate capitalism. You know then that it's a real thing and that a lot of the things that we like to do contribute to it and that the impacts if we don't change pretty dramatically the systems that govern how we live are GonNa be catastrophic. That's I think people have a real hard time dealing with radical change general. Actually radical is another really interesting term as it's used in the climate space. This idea of any action has been sort of painted as radical but like the inaction was also very radical. Do you think what alarmist is used to dismiss. Yes paper as well. Yes one of the most effective strategies that the fossil fuel industry uses to legal Their opponents with these Words that start to take on negative meanings if you look at the data on climate and you're concerned about it you're an alarmist the whole way that people will use you know moderate or pragmatic. I think is very problematic because usually it refers to the least possible thing which is actually kind of radically irresponsible at this point. Not Moderate at all Indo. So there's this whole thing happens. Where the sort of moderate quote unquote moderate approach gets cast as basically not taking a view. You know like a will. I think we should do something. Sure but I'm not an extreme climate person or I'm not a climate alarmist but actually that's still viewpoint there's no default position where you're not actually still taking a position even if you're saying we shouldn't do anything on climate at all like that's still. That's a very clear position. And it's very extreme at this point you know that's a phrase which is often used in the kind of green energy tonight which is like. Let's have a green revolution and I think an interesting thing about that word is it. Sounds Pretty If you're from a slight more left wing political persuasion but one of the interesting things about the climate change conversation. This has become extremely politically polarized off very good reasons. This is Robin Webster. Senior climate engagement strategies for the climate communication organization climate outreach and the word revolution if you come from more conservative perspective is terribly putting so we could be using language where we talk about continuity. We talk about avoiding waste. Talk about not losing our landscapes. All of that language can be really powerful important to somebody if more conservative political background but the people stop using the word revolution because it means so much and it shouldn't be used flippantly and you should think about what it means people from all sorts of different backgrounds so try and use words that suggest a significant change. That's a positive. One Noah traumatic one. Yeah I mean I think this was just thinking about what does this word mean to somebody. Who's different for me and it's often very difficult for us to to think about that to someone else's she's and think how can I say the same thing in a slightly different way in a way that's going to sort of set off all sorts of alarm bells in somebody else's head or not ring any bells in someone else's head because they have no idea what you're talking about? I am at guilty as an economic waters techy professional just longtime if Roy in those sentences. Go by twenty fifty. The trajectory of the curve will be moved in this and carbon capture and storage now these paragraphs the just means nothing to nobody about things which are far away in time for way place. We were using these words. Sustainability trajectory and parts per million dollars. Like what on Earth is this? Language doesn't say anything parts per million stopped to get the people four fifty million. Let's go as well. As the specialized technical and scientific recovery perhaps being alienating or perplexing or even boring Roman thinks discussions about climate of often had the wrong focus. The climate change debate has been couched in a conversation about energy. A great deal and is true. Fossil fuels are the major driver of cool. Fat Scientifically Accurate. But other things. Sure about the way we live our lives about relationship with nature about the things around us no day-to-day basis slightly lost from that conversation and it became a kind of debates about the weather of different sorts of renewables systems which is very far from most people want to know about what think about in a day. You Have Alice. Bell also has a problem with the term renewable energy so that comes partly from the difference between a one that has a finite resource one that can renew itself totally make sense except the problem with fossils. Now isn't it. We're going to run out with them so for decades. We were worried about what we would do. If you ran out of coal you see people researching solar and wind in the nineteenth century and partly that was because they could tell how damaging. Because you couldn't tell her damaging it was to the climate but it still caused disease and made of things city metraplate really dirty and people didn't like the grumpiness of coal is looking for tentatives but it was only like well logically. We gotta run out with the stuff. The problem we now know. Is that if we burns even a small amount of the stuff that we know about let alone the stuff that we haven't really what the might still be more that we haven't found we haven't found a ways of accessing the fact we're GONNA run out of it is the loss of our problems basically so renewable is maybe not the right phrase and the reason why I think like the word. Renewable is it. Is it so tacky? Worth like renewable energy is a technical station and I think the climate change coincided just really has suffered from being attacked conversation. How'd you feel about the word green? That's an interesting one. I mean I don't know it's useful sometimes and it's an easy short word that people found convenient but it's been used so much more by industry that it just sort of has that taint too. I'm pretty much always suspicious when someone pitches me on something. That's like the Green Blah or even eco-friendly. Because I just feel like usually a kind of like a product sales tactic Or like a product marketing term. So yeah and it's soft again. And it soft ECO friendly. It might be better than some of the alternatives. But it doesn't mean it's good. Yeah exactly and then people use clean energy is it that clean really Yeah that was quite depressing as well. That's very good reasons to use the word. Lean in the context of clean energy as in it has lots of amazing residences in. It's true and the concept of clean energy as opposed to dirty energy so climates communications. The word clean is used in context of energy but I think. A bit like sustainable. It's kind of lost. Its meaning and also. It's a little bit too. Judgmental sounds moral doesn't it? Yeah and this. This idea of kind of moral judgment is something that's really embedded in climate. Change Compensation and terribly damaging. You've had that experience of if you start talking somebody about being interested in this kind of issues and suddenly you become sort of like their coaches import in body they conscience on lakes and they suddenly say yes. I've only once in the last year. Because there's this feeling of of blame personal blame that's really embedded in in this compensation which starts people engaging with them. Oh good good. The vocabulary is too technical people to engage with or to guilt inducing to engage with the language around climate is fraught even for the professional climate communicators like Alice. Bell one of the things. I was talking about this with a colleague earlier and she was saying needs to be covered by using the word. Fossil fuels the something that some research has suggested that we should be wary of because I automatically get labeled for some communities as an activist because it shows that you've got an interest whereas if you say coal and oil and gas that's a more general term but fossil fuels is seen by some people as being something that just activists say as Wayne because coal and gas more specific terms. Yeah I miss the bit. But that's just you get different communities or look at different times in different ways. The term fossil fuels sounds like your car is fueled by liquid dinosaurs but before fossil meant the relics of ancient organisms in had a difference more than four hundred years ago just referred to things that have been dug out the ground and dance the meaning that lingers in fossil fuels anyway maybe non-renewable resources might be more fitting term. I really feel like we need cock with a different terminology for Natural. Gas's sounds so beautiful and good greenwash. Noun disinformation disseminated by an organization so as to present an environmentally responsible public image a term coined in one thousand nine hundred six by Merck environmentalist. Jay Westervelt no relation to Amy Westervelt. Here it's been well known since the early nineties that natural gas comes with very heavy methane emissions and methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas then co two so for whatever it cuts on co two it more than makes up for in methane but because it was branded as this perfect like bridge between fossil fuels and alternative energy like solar and wind. And whatever it's been very very hard to shake that idea and that reputation really enables a lot of of bad policy making the delays the very big shifts that need to happen to To actually act in a meaningful way I mean I think that's something interesting sometimes without would that have just been used for so long within a debate that they've lost their meaning even if they had a really decent meaning in the first place? I am terribly bored of sustainable. It's a word that arose in the nineteen nineties and it was about if you get into guts. Sustainability is about trying to find a future and it's been turned and kind of manipulated and often it means sustainable as in people using the phrase of sustainable business as in. Let's keep sustainably doing the thing. And it's just a word beaten to death when I started jogging. Something that corporate sustainability people might use because they are a sustainability person. It's really interesting. Actually I think The terms definitely changed it was it was greenhouse effect than global warming than climate change. Climate change was like when the industry took charge of the language and so this emergence of climate crisis is really a key indicator that that era is ending which is good. The greenhouse effect was identified in the eighteen twenties by French. Scientists shows a Fori but it was described in different metaphors than hawks. Leaky vessel solar oven until the start of the twentieth century. When Ninety nine one the Swedish meteorologist Nils Eco. Umberto paper comparing that misfit till the gloss of a greenhouse and then in one thousand nine the English scientist John. Henry pointing wrote the first known use of the phrase greenhouse effect but not actually very good metaphor so if you talk to climate scientists greenhouse it's not a greenhouse and so. I think that's one of the reasons why stop seeing it so much so when I learned about climate change school. It'd probably probably had a little diagram in your textbook of the earth in a little greenhouse looking a bit hot have these cartoons you see them in campaign materials lack thing and I think scientists say it's not really what it's more like a is kind of more like a blanket although I find if I took the signs about this like it's like a blanket but like a wet warm blanket who doesn't sound very nice and loose. I think that's helping me. Think about the earth heating up if it's a wet blanket most of us. It doesn't really matter if the mechanism for heating something to do like a greenhouse or like a blanket but it's quite a poor metaphor so it's kind of weird mommy talk about is it like if someone's wet the bed and the moist mattress is warming up but not in a good way. Maybe maybe try that on some people. Next time I have to explain climate Benguet Berbar. Welcome see putting it into terms. People can understand and identify wave low. The downside that is while euphemisms help us digest ideas that we otherwise might be too daunted or terrified by the can also las too much. It's been terribly euphemistic conversation but we have seen this enormous relation over the last twelve months and I think the sort of protests that erupted last year did an enormous favor in terms of language because they really did start to shift this phrases around climate emotion seeing climate crisis have I think entered the lexicon and made people feel something different in response to when they hear that I think that is really important. Failings gotta get people in their feelings. Yeah and I think this thing. It's ultimately at being a scientific discipline. That's originally where the kind of language climate change is coming from and this sort of facts and figures based information does enter certain about brain. You know the rational brain not the emotional part of your brain and I think we have needed language to enter the emotional part of your brain. We often find that when we sort of talk about stories that we've experienced as people how we can concerned about climate change. What we're doing now. That's a lot more powerful to other people than sort of hearing about. Will the what you know about sea level rise in twenty fifty whatever side phone sharing stories rolling groff's there are terms which facilitate communication about climate? We've seen that plant based foods flight. Shame climate crisis. These things have not in themselves change the world but have started to give us a few more tools to talk about climate change flight. Shame is really interesting to look at that working across Europe and how different countries have different words for that their anger. Just the fact. That you've got two tamper has helped jealous right about it. And then people talk about it and people thinking about limiting their flight has become a ovalles orders because language about it. There is research shows that if you cut flying and D for environmental reasons and talked about it with your friends. They are more likely to their flying to and also support policy changes to have more sustainable travel so we know that talking about flying is really powerful and so words that can allow us to do that more a really important up until very recently talked about the idea of climate silence about the idea that people are not having conversations about climate change. Because it's almost like we created some kind of social agreement that it was wasn't polite to say well it is uncomfortable to think about wreck in the world. Yes exactly that was an interesting set of Principles. Oh people were saying no doom and gloom in the climate change competition. Let's talk about the impacts of climate change and extinction Abella lost year source of some of the APP the ball to which was extremely interesting and I think one of the reasons it did. Is this idea that you sort of pairing negative impacts with something that you can D- and also because we're now living in a moment where we can authentically and truthfully talk about the impacts of climate change and see them happening around us and people becoming more aware fats. And I think you'd really stuck on this idea of. How do we talk about the negative stuff and I think what? We're seeing from survivors and from the research is you can talk about the negative stuff some lumers. It's paired with a feeling that somewhere to go with it. Something that you can do with community to become a part of something that you can do. And then as people rape kind of activate those negative emotions do something with them. Alison Robin both. Told me that if you work in climate people fall over themselves to express contrition for the flights. They've taken over beef. They've eaten love. People working climate change find this. They find that people like to confess to them. I mean this happened more more easily. Climate writer recently says she feels like she's some kind of climate none. 'cause like I am not going to absolve you'll send however I've actually care for the fact that you've done this thing that thing because I'm rule. I want really big ambitious climate. I'm going to complain about your recycling. So maybe letting people know that you're not going to judge them. Part can probably be signalled by just listening and see where they're coming from and if they need to express not go maybe laying them but equally letting them know that they don't have to do that and it's to about things that they're doing that positive being interested and let's talk about Latin Dis. Yesterday I think is very important and sometimes you need to not think about it together through the day but also you need to be able to think about what you can do to take action and how you can have a positive impact and to the balancing the light fair with courage we accept. What's the biggest challenge stocks? You having conversation about change and a lot of people said tell me what to do about it and then conversely we also found the people who are having the most conversations will often using their own experience of what they were people that were able to say well of cycle with the kids to school world entitled call slightly changed my Diet and I didn't have to be massive changes but they were changes the sort of somebody's identity you sort of shift and then you feel doing practical thing and therefore I can talk about my practical thing in the context of this compensation and then it becomes slightly less terrifying compensation you do by yourself. It feels insignificant and I think as people which are doing things other people and are sensitive identities built by how we see ourselves and also what we see other people doing. Don't feel what your own actions are. Insignificant actually often very significant to the people around you once people have stopped trying to absorb climate sends. You can climate change. After they've told you will tons of eating beef they then ask you. What could you hope? And I'm onto with stuff with me courage and tell them that. Us A difference and invite people to think about what gives them courage. What gives you courage. What lifts your spirits and makes you think I can get him in the day. I can be part of something. I can do this by thinking. Positively about future rather than feeling about about the past Alice. Bell Director of communications at the Climate Chart Possible and the author of the new book. Can we save the planet? Robin Webster is senior. Climate engagement strategist for the Climate Communication Organization. Climate outreach amy. Westervelt is a climate journalist. And she makes the podcast drilled and coming up in today's minimalist we consider another euphemism climate. 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'cause it set dry undertaken by people who are organizations with an interest in shaping public opinion this practices called astroturf thing and they will create fake advocacy groups that that sort of look like they're consumer advocacy groups but are actually funded by industry. I don't know I feel like anytime you see something that's like consumers for freedom or like Drivers for safe vehicles like these sort of. I don't know it's hard to. It's hard to explain but I sort of every time I see one I'm like Is that really a consumer group? I mean you see it in like the plastic Rome to where they were trying forever to brand plastic pollution as marine debris. Anytime I see that anytime. I see a nonprofit. That's like we're trying to reduce plastic globally. And then they talk about it as marine debris. I'm like Oh this is probably an industry backed front group. Oh and it almost always but you can also spot them by like you know if they're caused seems like something that the average people probably wouldn't take the time to organize around than it's probably an industry group Like on the plastic side. There's the the plastic bag coalition which I find like the most hilarious example that like there's tons of consumers out there that are just like agitating for plastic. Well some people got to be edge loads. Yeah Yeah oh on the climate side. If you see people that are that are pushing. Things like Sensible solutions or Bipartisan pricing on carbon or bringing industry to the table. Like all of that stuff. It's usually an industry. Group leave also totally picked up on the whole like civility civil discourse. We like can't we all just get along kind of thing like the new American Petroleum Institute. Ads are all like you know. We all need to come together and come up with a sensible solution on climate change. It's like okay but you guys pretended it didn't even exist up until like two years ago so I mean a sensible solution that allows them to carry on exactly exactly. I don't feel bad about exactly. Yeah also actually another good thing to look at too is like like I see this on the solution side a lot. If it's a solution in air quotes that basically doesn't require the fossil fuel industry to change at all. Then it's probably something that's been like where the research and development has been funded by industries euphemisms came up earlier in the show and his another climate. Denier I don't feel like the term. Climate Denier is super powerful. It feels a little too generous. Whether you know I just don't buy it. Brought even though dangerously steering in the directions. And then somehow that's been adapted to climate skeptic Connachan. Tonight's have been really offended by the word. Denial and its connotations and have preferred to use the word skeptics. That's our whole little fight. All by itself people who might self define as a skeptic start complaining about being called deniers because they said that it was done deliberately to associate them with Holocaust deniers and it was done to tonsure names which people turn around. Where no there's all sorts of been as we try to do that but then some people were like. Oh we don't want to hurt your feelings and we're not obviously. We're not doing that. And so I started calling skeptics. That was more accurate. And then you get people guy. But I'm not a skeptic on warmest so there are very few people outright denies of Climate Change. Almost NYPD believe that and even the people who've been really quiet hardline climate skeptics moving more toward now saying. Oh Yeah. There's a bit warming. It's just not as bad as be as everyone says is less time tonight climate warmists. I don't know why not just liar. Liar is fine propagandist. That's good too but I mean the people who are really evil. People do believe in climate change the people who genuinely know they've had research since the sixties they funded of some of the best early research and climate change because they weren't to the companies knew they needed to do that and they're still funded work to try and see dine other people's minds then themselves necessarily skeptics. They believe in it. That's why they're worried about her. Business is a proud member of Radio Tokyo from PX and we are thrilled to have a new member of the family over the road. It's a show in partnership with overdrive magazine. And it gives voice T- trials and triumphs and travels of America's truckers. It's at least long-haul Palmar offer his driven a truck for nearly forty years and he'll bring you behind the wheel with him to explore daily life on the road and how the trucking industry is changing their stories does music does polls extremely mellow boys. He is delightful company. 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