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"gary nesse" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

06:04 min | 7 months ago

"gary nesse" Discussed on American Scandal

"Always have unfinished business in Waco. It's early April, week 5 of the standoff. At the FBI command post Byron sage sits at a desk, waiting for an important meeting, a meeting that could set the standoff on a new course. After Gary nesse was removed as chief negotiator, sage stepped in as the de facto leader of the negotiating team. He was sorry to see Nestor go, but he's continued to push hard for a peaceful solution, even if progress has been slow coming. Sage has spoken on the phone with David koresh and Steve Schneider almost every day for 5 weeks straight, but it's been two weeks since any adult has walked through the doors of mount Carmel. Koresh hasn't released any children in more than a month. Sage stands up. It's time for his meeting with the FBI's commander Jeff Jamar. Sage walks past rows of agents all huddled over computer monitors. They have dark rings under their eyes, and they look worn fin, just like sage. Everyone is sick of living off cold pizza and they're tired of David koresh and having to organize their lives around the whims of a madman. Sage enters to Mars office, the commander is hunched over his desk, his expression stern. He gestures for sage to sit and asks if there's been any progress in getting people out of mount Carmel. Sage size and shakes his head. Jamar leans in. He wants to know the truth. Can they get David koresh to surrender? Sage takes a moment, swallows hard. It's difficult to admit after weeks of effort, but he tells Jamar what he believes. The negotiator seemed to have exhausted their options. At this point, sage is convinced that David koresh doesn't care about anyone inside. All he sees are ways to fulfill his own grandiose vision. Sage bites his left before offering his final assessment. He's not sure what koresh will do if they don't act soon. Jamar nods, he says he's glad sage has come around on the point because the agency has a new solution in mind. It's a plan codenamed Jericho. Sage recognizes the name Jericho from the famous siege in the Bible. Jamar picks up an aerial photograph of mount Carmel. He points to the compound and explains that according to the plan, tanks will approach mount Carmel with specialized equipment, outfitted with 30 foot arms. These arms will act like pipes that can penetrate the compound. Through these pipes, the tanks will then inject tear gas going room by room. They'll release the gas over a 48 hour period. They're not looking to force the Davidians out immediately. Instead, they'll gradually shrink the living space inside the compound until the entire building is saturated with tear gas. At that point, the Davidians will have no choice but to come out. Jamar looks up from the aerial photograph. He says that once they put Jericho into action, they'll need someone to tell the Davidians about the tear gas and to help talk them out of the building. He wants sage to fill that role. Jamar also explains that the highest levels of the FBI are on board. Soon, the FBI director will help present the plan to Janet Reno. President Clinton's new attorney general. And if Reno gives the okay, the tactical team will immediately put the plan into action. But right now, Jamar wants to know if sage is on board with the plan. Sage lets his mind imagine what will surely be a frightening scene inside mount Carmel. He can picture the thundering tanks, the white clouds of tear gas filling room after room. It's a risky plan, but keeping koresh in place feels even riskier. This has to end on the FBI's terms. So Byron sage tells Jamar, he's in. It's April 14th, 1993, and now day 46 of the standoff. David thibodeau smiles as he bounds up the stairs to the second floor of mount Carmel. He feels light on his feet, his former balk has wasted away after 6 weeks of combat rations, and the hardships of the long siege have purged his last spiritual doubts. For the first time in his life, thibodeau feels like he understands what faith truly means. At the top of the stairs, thibodeau stops and grins. Here, David koresh sits up against the wall, surrounded by a large group of followers, thibodeau sees his own hope reflected on their faces. Earlier today, koresh announced that he will end the standoff once and for all. God spoke to the prophet at the end of Passover. He instructed koresh to write down his interpretation of the 7 seals. Koresh said it will take two weeks, three tops, so he called the FBI and said as soon as he finishes writing the seals, he'll surrender. There will be no change of plans. Thibodeau scans the crowd and spots his wife, Michelle. She sits with serenity, her four year old daughter, who she had with koresh. Thibodeau goes and sits down beside them and serenity crawls into his lap. He smiles at her as she settles in. Settling on koresh is a look of calm and clarity, and then he begins to speak, exalted and proud as if God is flowing through him. He begins dictating the first of the 7 seals next to him, Judy Schneider types furiously on a typewriter. She takes down every one of his words, even though for the last 6 weeks, she's had a wound in her hand where she was shot. Crash's voice rises, he says that he who has chosen to open the seals will be persecuted exactly as he and his followers have been persecuted these long weeks..

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"gary nesse" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

03:04 min | 7 months ago

"gary nesse" Discussed on American Scandal

"The next day, Gary nesse stands outside the FBI command post with a cup of coffee, taking a rare break, and enjoying the spring day. Across the tarmac, he spots a man he doesn't recognize meeting with members of the tactical team. When the meeting.

"gary nesse" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

07:19 min | 7 months ago

"gary nesse" Discussed on American Scandal

"In the hand during the raid, and he's eager to get her to a hospital. He finds his former wife sitting on the bed, holding a two year old girl. Judy had this blond haired girl with David koresh. When Schneider first heard that Judy was pregnant, he could have killed koresh. But since then Steiner has come to love the girl like his own daughter. He wants to make sure she gets out safely. Snyder continues to the lobby where a crowd of followers is already waiting expectantly with their packs on. Snyder takes a deep breath. It's time to get moving. He picks up a phone and calls the FBI. Schneider tells them that everyone's ready. All that is left is to get koresh into a stretcher. He knows the FBI can hear the relief in his voice, but he doesn't care. He just wants this ordeal to end. Schneider hurries back up to the hallway, koresh sits there alone, his eyes glazed over with pain. Schneider speaks gently. David, everything's ready downstairs. The guys will come up with a stretcher and load you on. Don't bother with his stretcher. Come on, David. You need a stretcher. You can't walk out here in your condition. Koresh pauses and with a faraway look, he strokes his own face. Steve, we're not going anywhere. Call it off. Schneider steps back, stunned. What? No, no, everyone's ready to go. The FBI is waiting. God spoke to me, Steve. He told me to wait. Schneider feels his legs and arms go weak. He starts a shake. But David, we made a deal. You said so on tape, if you're a sermon was broadcast, will surrender. If we back out now, the world would think we're liars. You've always had such limited vision. Who cares what a bunch of non believers thinks. This is God's will. We're staying here. But David, what do you think the FBI is going to do now? We can send out a few more kids later tonight. That'll buy us some time until God tells me the next step. Schneider wants to say more, wants to argue and shake some sense into David koresh. But he stops himself. He then turns from karash and walks slowly down the stairs. The people gathered in the lobby look up, and right away, they can see that something's wrong. Snyder breaks the news and sees the shock and fear ripple through the congregation. He can't help but feel responsible. After all, he personally recruited a number of these people. He invited them to share in a heavenly Salvation, but if David is truly delivering God's word, the lord has instead condemned them to a terrible fate. American scandal is sponsored by peloton. You need to get moving. It's just a fact. You're going to look better and feel better if you move your body. But sometimes working out is not that simple, I know. 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So choose proven quality sleep from sleep number, because every great day starts the night before, discover special offers now for a limited time at your local sleep number store or sleep number dot com slash AS. It's march 2nd, 1993, and day three of the standoff at mount Carmel. In the FBI command post, Gary nesse nurse surveys his team. They look tense and nervous. For hours, they've been huddled together, waiting for the Branch Davidians to march out of mount Carmel. The chosen hour has come and gone and still the Davidians remain inside the compound. Nasser squints at a video monitor, still no sign of movement. Suddenly, the radio crackles, it's a member of their tactical team, the elite agents trained in hostage rescue and battlefield tactics. He's demanding an update. Tells the agent that they've been trying unsuccessfully to get Steve Schneider on the phone. They're calling again now. Messner gives a thumbs up to a negotiator who rings the compound. Snyder's voice finally comes over to the line. He sounds nervous and apologetic. No one is coming out, he says, the lord spoke to koresh and told him to wait. The deal was off. Nestor wants a scream, but he fights to contain his anger. He needs to try and salvage the deal. He scribbles a quick note to the negotiator, telling him to remind Schneider that the FBI held up their end of the bargain. The negotiator then tries to get David koresh on the phone. Schneider says that koresh is busy praying and hangs up. Nestor feels his frustration slide into panic. His team did everything right, but he knows they'll be blamed now the koresh is backed out. He has to move quickly and contain the fallout. Nestor stands, telling his deflated team to radio the tactical team, the surrender is officially off. He hurries out of the room and races through the command post looking for Jeff Jamar, the special agent in charge. When he reaches to Mars office, he encounters another man. Dick Rogers, the head of the tactical team, both men looked furious. Nestor relays Snyder's message. It's a huge disappointment he concedes, but this setback shouldn't change the goal of ending the standoff peacefully. At that Rogers jumps, he accuses koresh of deliberately toying with the FBI. He's furious and wants to move tanks onto the property as a show of force. Jamar nods in agreement. All day, he says he's been glowing to the media about the surrender deal. Now he has to walk it back at the press briefing. The FBI brass will be furious, even president Clinton will have to answer questions about this screw up. Messner tries to calm them. He reminds them that his team was able to get a few more children out this morning, plus two older women. That victory can not be discounted, even without a mass surrender, a trickle of exits could become a flow, and then a gush. They need patience, not aggression. Rogers flushes, looking even angrier than before. He says he's having none of it. They should stop oddly. His.

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