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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on The RIFT Radio Podcast Network

The RIFT Radio Podcast Network

05:17 min | 4 months ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on The RIFT Radio Podcast Network

"Oh child support. Sure for child support The judge also wanted hide next va records Gary Prisoners in his basement at the time and still managed to carry on with his day to day life. which is just Incredible to me that he was making it to court appearances and things like that. He was just dandy. So next time, I'll tell you about his victims. His additional victims were plenty of victims in this in this presentation. But I'll tell you about the horse they went through while they were forced to live in his basement as sex slaves. tonight I just wanted to lay down the foundation of who he is. And kind of. Kind of you know how bonkers it is. This guy wasn't stopped to in advance but. Another thing I'm GonNa rant about because frank reminded me. And it's GonNa be a very sudden subjects switch but facebook. FACEBOOK and I should. I should ask do you have any questions about Gary Hyde Nick before it take off I should ask me chat room but before I go on a rant about. FACEBOOK suicide thing so You can report someone for basically being depressed or too sad or behaving erratically and I'm sure perhaps in some cases, this is actually helpful but what happens? And just. I guess I can't think of a situation in which it's helpful. It's not more helpful than it would have been to actually reach out to the person, and in some cases, people actually use this reporting a mental health situation as a form of harassment to get someone profile band. But don't. Don't just report someone who is suicidal reach out to them I. Oh, I've I've gotten it before where it says it's you'll sign on facebook and it takes you to screen. It looks like you're about to be blocked, but it says Someone said, you might be having a hard time I think what it says. And if you need to talk to someone and it gives you a list of. Numbers you can cau-. Foundations you can get a hold of and shit like this but it doesn't actually do any good and I always just think that if the person who really wanted to help. They could have themselves reach out to the person instead of being a little bitch reporting it on facebook. That's just me I mean. What do you guys think? Think of the suicide facebook thing I. Just I. Think it's Shitty and I think more often than not is used to get people banned for basically no reason..

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

11:22 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KGO 810

"So John Douglas the mind hunter both of the book and flicks series fame as well as silence of the lambs series. Is here with us when we're talking about some of the lesser known or less. You know, certainly in New Jersey originally a lot of well known cases, but not quite the marquee names of BT K or Ted Bundy that that he talks about the killer across the table. That's more about the conversations themselves, and how does the process of conversation reveals and what people are willing to reveal about themselves. And this brings us back to the mccowan case of a schoolteacher Chem high school chemistry teacher who creeped out. Some of the girl students was always trying to be liked, but kind of always failing at that same time. So coming to the bottom of the hour. John you mentioned that he had said to you later on the second. He saw the victim who came to the door little Joan de LA Sandra right of that second. He saw the girl. He knew he was gonna kill her is what he mentioned you. But in his original confession at least quarter the book that that was a snap decision that came after he knew he needed to molest her he was overcome by this sort of sexual desire for her. And then after he did that then he knew he had to kill her in order to hide the evidence you get the conflict. I mentioned in there. The parole boards when they went before the parole board the very next day. Tell them about the interview they they were referring to him as a as a pedophile. And and I said he said the girl. Yes, she's seven years of age. But he's not he's not a pedophile. He's he's not he's not a pedophile on that particular day when he heard the knock on the door. There was a seven year old girl at the door. It could have been a seventy year old woman at the door. He was in the mode to kill and of course, as a sexual component to it. But one of the things we found in the the research I did particularly early early on. We're maybe evidence of sex. But when you conduct the interviews, and we start putting it all together. It's really it's about power. It's about control it's about displaced anger, and it really they may have a preferential victim a certain age a certain asserted look to a victim. But they can't find the victim. They'll kill whomever, whomever is. Is available there. So yes, there is there was a sexual component he failed during the sexual assault. He had her stripped down as you know, from the from the the book which got him prematurely Jackie related. And then now he went through all the gory. Details of how he killed it where he went to to dispose of her up in a park right near the New Jersey border. How he inserted himself into these search parties looking you're looking for the victim, which is very very typical. We would look for that today because we've seen so many cases, you know, you know, like that. But he will know that right there that moment. So let me jump into say that's what that's what brought me back to to some of the themes in the book because as you you you said, you know, that you just you see this guy's being execution worthy. And that since you didn't see anything redeeming about. Letting him out letting him back in letting them have access to this money, and that it would only create that dude only be future victims. And that's what I was reminded as I said JK Rowling said when she's talking about Harry Potter, and I it just always bugged me because I just don't think there's any evidence for her saying this. But she said there is no good and evil. There is only power to your point and those who are those two week to seek it. And I thought that's just not true. There is true evil that lurks in the hearts of some men and women of the definitely isn't and the concern with with McGowan with parole board. Would he kill again? And I said. Telling me what a model prisoner is actually should be model prisoner. I mean, he's here. He's getting his three square meals a day. And right. So he stayed out of trouble. But now you put him back into New York. You put him in that situation there stress. Something doesn't go. You know, you know, go right for him. It may not be the same type of case, it may be a workplace violence or some other type type of crime, but he has this within the and and it's you cannot rehabilitate someone who is not habilitated to begin with. I mean, he's been like this for his life. He had some of the earlier signs of bullying has as a child animal cruelty. We saw which is a steam we've seen a lot of these different different cases animal torture, torturing which is pretty good. Pretty good predict or at least if you see that or a schoolteacher sees this apparent you better better dress and not think that it's something that the child is gonna grow grow. Out of this is bad bad behavior. But no, he's certainly, you know, was evil. So in the end the end result with him is is they gave him hit. They call it another thirty thirty years, but he's not going to serve another thirty. He could get out earlier. But I doubt it I will probably die die in prison. And I hope he does die in prison and not get out get out. I'll give you one of the guys she wants to see because right? In prison. And and with if I could say this. I mean, I think we all felt it while you were recounting the story with kind of a an I use the word loosely here. It's sort of a legitimate gripe about betrayal. He was he he he confessed to you on things that you, you know, in a very jujitsu like way turned around against him the next day. And so he had to feel like, dammit, you know, that the Mika moment of lake I can't believe I did that. And I gave the amunition to the guy who used it against me. I'll get that John Doug someday. I could totally see that's the way he would feel because sometimes doing the NFL I'm thinking this guy. He's told me stuff that no one even knows about even even other cases, not just him about other other people. I'm just trying to create an environment where they get who. I am forget, you know, where where they are make it a kind of as relaxes I can type. Of type of environment. Where I've I've had some interviews where actually ended a half a dozen killers Asia over to Baltimore. And and and they bring it about a half a dozen, and they would sit around, and I would sit around with them and goes through the crimes. Cries with them, and some of my I would tell them I said, I'm just disadvantage just kind of tell me what the crime scene would look like, and what the elements there, and then I would kind of go through it. About who they are. And what led up to the crime? And what was the precipitating factor? A stressor what they did, you know afterwards and they'd sit around and amaze like you think some kind of psychic or something. But it's just you see so many of these these cases and the thing. That's frightening. Is that there's no remorse because of the crimes that they perpetrated not not in the least, and I'll get it sometimes crying. But the times I've got them to cry sixty minutes, actually, followed me into Pittsburgh penitentiary, you mentioned of the lambs, and and Ted LeVine who had met because I was I was a visor in the movie I was in the bureau, you the guy who kept women in the pit his name is Gary Hyde, Nick and Philadelphia you ever heard of that hurt him. And but the difference with him as he would fill up with water and put the victim in in the pit handcuffed shackled, and then he would get electric wire and electrocute them. While they were in in the water today horrific things, you know after that. But when I did the interview and Leslie stall, it was one of her first show is that you did for sixty minutes. She about freaked out when schuss observing me with this is interview time real I really got is what I brought up. The mother of forget the Veda. It was his mother relationship or the lack of relationship that he had from a mother who pretty much abandoned him. And there was some abuse involved emotional abuse, sexual abused by boyfriends that came home with the know with the mom and that yet. So that that was thing I found that with so many other cases, I mean, some again in bicker nickname was pliers bec- or a convicted rapist out of California. And he's two guys fantasize when prison when they get out to go to rape Aquinas. Asia for every year but teenagers life, and they got a van call the murder. Mack, insulated, the interior cruised LA, kill the half a dozen and what made it horrific. Is that they made audio tapes of the torture. The torture before they kill the victims. As Scott Glen who betrayed made them. Listen to I said, I want you to know what the heck we go to down. What we see what what kind of evil evil that is is out there. And during the entity with him, I had a woman agent next to me. She would ask a question. He wouldn't even look at it. Not that he would not kill her kill if you had the chance he didn't want anything to do with her. So she that's question. He'd look at me. And the only time he got emotional was brought up again early childhood Lahser lack of ended minutes. Yeah. Then they got emotional, but as far as the crime, they it's justifiable homicide in their way of thinking, they deserve it. I mean, I have my my my own. I'm here incarcerate. I'm locked up twenty four seven they there's nothing there. So so when you get a psychologist going into the interview, and these guys, they know how to shed a tear. They know what's the buzz is what the strengths want to hear from them. So if you go in again, not armed with the facts of the case, the background all the information there, and how that the interpret because they don't necessarily have that background interpreted for for them. What you know what it means if you're making decisions for Bachchan parole. I told them they said, you have no business making those decisions because you really don't understand the crime or or the criminal who you're talking to the book again is the killer across the table in this book John Douglas, co author with whom he has worked for years Marco. Shaker talk about talking about. So it's a conversation about conversations that this is how it's done..

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on 710 WOR

710 WOR

14:59 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on 710 WOR

"So John Douglas the mind hunter both of the book and flicks series fame as well as silence the lamb series. Is here with us when we're talking about some of the lesser known or less, you know, certainly in New Jersey originally a lot of well known cases, but not quite the marquee names of BT K or Ted Bundy that that he talks about in the killer across the table. That's more about the conversations themselves, and how does the process of conversation reveals and what people are willing to reveal about themselves. And this brings us back to the Joseph McGowan case of a schoolteacher Chem high school chemistry teacher who creeped out. Some of the girl students was always trying to be liked, but kind of always failing at that same time. But in the going to the bottom of the hour, John you mentioned that he had said to you later on the second. He saw the victim who came to the door. Little Joan de LA Sandra right of. That second. He saw the girl. He knew he was going to kill her is what he mentioned you. But in his original confession. At least according to the book that that was a snap decision that came after he knew he needed to molest her ain't he was overcome by this sort of sexual desire for her. And then after he did that then he knew he had to kill her in order to hide the evidence. You get the conflict mentioning there the the parole boards when they went for the parole board the very next day. Tell tell them about the interview they they were referring to him as a as a pedophile. And and I said he said the girl. Yes, she's seven years of age. But he's not he's not a pedophile. He's not he's not a pedophile on that particular day when he heard the knock on the door. There was a seven year old girl at the door. It could have been a seventy year old woman at the door. He was in the mode to kill and of course, as a sexual component to it. But one of the things he found in the the research I did particularly early early on. We're maybe evidence of sex. But when you conduct the interviews, and we start putting it all together. It's really I it's about power. It's about control it's about this place anger, and it really they may have a preferential victim a certain age a certain assert look to a victim. But if they can't find the victim. They'll kill whoever whomever is is available there. So yes, there is there was a sexual component he failed during the sexual assault. He had her strip down as you know, from the from the book, which got him prematurely ejaculated. And then now he he went through all the gory. Details of how he killed it where he wanted to dispose of her a park right near the New Jersey border, how he inserted himself into these search parties looking looking for the victim, which is very very typical. We would look for that today because we've seen so many cases, you know, you know, he'll like that. But. Well that just so right there that moment let me jump into say. That's what that's what brought me back to to some of the themes in the book because as you you you said, you know, that you would just you could see this guy's being execution worthy in that. Since you didn't see anything redeeming about letting him out letting him back in and letting them have access to this money, and that it would only create that are only be future victims. And that's what I was reminded as I said JK Rowling when said when she talking about Harry Potter, and I it's just always bugged me because I just don't think there's any evidence for her saying this. But she said there is no good and evil. There is only power to your point and those who are those too weak to seek it. And I thought that's just not true. There is true evil that lurks in the in the hearts of some men and women. That definitely isn't and the concern with with McGowan with the parole board. Would he kill again? And I said telling me what a model prisoner is actually should be a model prisoner, and he's here he's getting his three square meals a day. And right. So he stayed out of trouble. But now you put him back into to New York. You put him in that situation there stress. Something doesn't go. You know, you know, go right for him. It may not be the same type of case it may be a workplace violence or some other type type of crime, but he has his within the, and it's you cannot rehabilitate someone who is not habilitated to begin with. I mean, he's been like this for his life. He had some of the earlier signs of bullying has as a child animal cruelty. We saw which is a theme. We've seen a lot of these different different cases animal torture, torturing which is pretty good. Pretty good predict or at least if you see that or a schoolteacher sees as a parent, you better better dressing and not think that it's something that the child is gonna grow grow out of this is bad, you know, bad behavior. But no, he's certainly, you know, was evil. So in the end the end result with him is as they gave him hit. They call it another thirty thirty years, but this he's not going to serve another thirty. He could get out early. But I doubt it I will probably die die in prison. And I hope he does die in prison and not get out way. He does get out one of the guys he wants wants to see because. In prison. And and with a if I can say this. I mean, I think we all felt it while you were recounting the story with kind of a an I use the word loosely here. It's sort of legitimate gripe about betrayal. He was he he he confessed to you on things that you, you know, in a very jujitsu Lakeway turned around against him the next day. And so he had to feel like, dammit, you know, that the Mika moment of lake I can't believe I did that. And I gave the I mean into the guy who used to me, I'll get that. John Douglas someday. I totally see that's the way he would feel. Yeah. Because sometimes during the end, I'm thinking this guy. He's told me stuff that no one even knows about even even other cases, not just him other other people I'm I'm just trying to create an environment where they get who. I am forget, you know, where where they are making a kind of as relaxes I can type of type of environment where I've I've had some interviews where actually ended a half a dozen killers as ago over to Baltimore. And and and they would bring about a half a dozen, and they would sit around sit around with them and go through the crimes cries with them. And some of my tell tell them I said, I'm really at a disadvantage just kind of tell me what the crime scene would look like, and what the elements there, and then I would kind of go through it. About who they are. And what led up to the crime? And what was the precipitating factor? A stressor what they did, you know afterwards and they'd sit around and maze. Like, you think some kind of psychic or something? But it's just you see so many of these these cases and the thing. That's frightening. Is that there's no remorse because of the crimes that they perpetrated. Not not in the least, and I'll get it sometimes crying. But but the times I've got them to cry sixty minutes, actually, followed me into Pittsburgh penitentiary, you mentioned sows the land and Ted LeVine. Because I was I was a visor in the movie I was in the bureau. I view the guy who kept women the pit his name is Gary Hyde, Nick and Philadelphia you ever heard of that hurt him. And but the difference with him as he would fill up hit up with water and put the victim in in the pit. Handcuffed shackled, and then he began electric wire and electrocute them while they were in the water day horrific things, you know, after that, that's, but when I did the interview and six Leslie stall, it was one of her first show that you did for sixty minutes. She about freaked out when she was observing me with this is interview time real really got as when I brought up the mother of forget the victims. It was as mother relationship or the lack of relationship that he had from a mother who pretty much abandoned him. And but there was some abuse involved emotional abuse sexual abuse by boyfriends came home with the with the and that yet. So that that was thing I found that with so many other cases and again in bicker nickname, pliers, bicker and convicted rapist. Out of California. And he's two guys fantasize prison when they get out to go to rape a teenager for every year of a teenager's life, and they got a van call the murder. Mac insulated, the interior cruised LA, kill the half a dozen and what made it horrific. Is that they made audio tapes of the torture. The torture before they kill the victims. I may Scott Glen who betrayed me and sows them. Listen to I said, I want you to know what the heck we go to down in what we see what what kind of evil evil that is is out there and during the energy with him. I had a woman agent next to me. She would ask a question. He wouldn't even look at it. Not that. He would not kill her kill the chest. He didn't want anything to do with her. So she has question. He'd look at me. And the only got emotional was when I brought up again early childhood mother lack abandonments, then they got emotional, but as far the motion for the the crime. They it's justifiable homicide in their ways thinking, they deserve it. I mean, I have my my my own. I'm here incarcerate. I'm locked up twenty four seven they there's nothing they are. So so when you get a psychologist doing interview, and these guys they know how to shed a tear. They know what the buzzer is what the strengths want to hear from them. So if you go in yet, not armed with the facts of the case, the background all the information there, and how that the EPA somebody interpret because they don't necessarily have that background interpreted for for them. What you know what it means if you're making decisions for Bachchan parole. I told them I said, you have no business making those decisions because you really. Don't understand the crime or or the criminal who you're talking to the book again is the killer across the table in this book John Douglas, co author with whom he has worked for years Marco shaker talk about talking about. So it's a conversation about conversations that this is how it's done. And this is this is the the dynamics of these types of conversations that end up becoming essential to good police work. The there's long standing belief about that somehow work ventured into some sort of new age, and that, and I know that you know, because of cars and planes, and the internet and other technology, of course, you know, it's easier for people to find more victims to find the perfect victim. It might have been you know, you can if they just. Kind of victim. They're looking for. They might be able to create more circumstances using a chat room somewhere or something. But I I'm of the belief that I'd be curious. Do you think about it? 'cause I included this in my my dissertation about about. I wrote about narratives about how true crime stories are told in what the role is of true crime in our culture. And I argue that it goes back to the same role that folk tales and fairy tales used to tell which was the idea of something of these stories were prophylactic in nature. They were intended to be preventative and that you heard these stories and you heard them repeatedly. So that you began to know who are the who are those that you need to avoid. And I think that's so much of what you did in your work in profiling you were doing the same thing as who are the people that we need. How do we help find out who the future victims of the future perpetrators are? But what do you think of that idea that that the arc? Type for every serial killer today in some ways could be traced back to the to the earliest known versions of these stories. I think in terms of folktales and fairy tales, do you see a legitimacy there? I see some legitimacy they're the the the problem with the needy, and how the media portrays these offenders, they make them kinda supernatural some, you know, the Hannibal Lecter types. And and today's social media the internet. It's changed the it's now's changed the oh, we don't have to be necessarily cruising looking for hitchhikers. Look if Vic victim, and you got a case because you're in Kansas in right? So you John Robinson course, Jon John Robinson who I wrote a book about that. Anyone you want me to be which because it's like it's like when you get on the internet, and there he was interacting with women in SM sites. And they've maybe looking for certain things, and he would answer whatever they were looking for. He got he got without even just by exchanging exchanging emails back. And fourth. So now, you get these these characters they can just throw out some lines. And and and get some nibbles here that we have the police trying to to monitor, but they can't be everywhere monitoring every type of of website website. You know, there is. But there's still this got this kind of. I think that's what made a crazy with ped- Bundy and the movie that's out right now and a Netflix. It's it's this kind of good looking good looking guys Zach effort you talking about this effort series series about. Yeah. About the romance. And when he was incarcerated with the woman that that he. He carried on and was able to get her pregnant and all this other stuff..

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KTRH

KTRH

12:55 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KTRH

"John Douglas the mind hunter both of the book and flicks series fame as well as silence, the lamb series is here with us. And we're talking about some of the lesser known or less only, you know, certainly in New Jersey regionally a lot of well known cases, but not quite the marquee names of BT K or Ted Bundy that that he talks about the killer across the table. That's more about the conversations themselves, and how does the process of conversation reveals and what people are willing to reveal about themselves. And this brings us back to the Joseph mccowan case of a schoolteacher Chem high school chemistry teacher who creeped out. Some of the girl students was always trying to be liked, but kind of always failing at that same time. But in the so go to the bottom of the hour. John you mentioned that he had said to you later on the second. He saw the victim who came to the door little Joan dealer, Sandra. Right. That the second. He saw the girl he knew he was gonna kill her is what he mentioned to you. But in his original confession. At least according to the book that that was a snap decision that came after he knew he needed to molest her he he was overcome by this sort of sexual desire for her. And then after he did that then he knew he had to kill her in order to hide the evidence. You get the conflict mentioning there, the the parole board's when I went for the parole board the very next day. Tell tell them about the interview they they were referring to him as a as a pedophile. And and I said he said the girl. Yes, she's seven years of age. But he's not he's not a pedophile. He's not he's not a pedophile on that particular day when he heard the knock on the door. There was a seven year old girl at the door. It could've been a seventy year old woman at the door. Eight was in the mode to kill and is of course, as a sexual component to it. But one of the things he found in the the research I did particularly early early on. We're maybe evidence of sex. But when you conduct the end of us, and we start putting it all together. It's really it's about power. It's about control it's about displaced anger, and it really they may have a preferential victim a certain age a certain asserting look to a victim. But if they can't find the victim. They'll kill whomever, whomever is is available there. So yes, there is there was a sexual component he failed during the sexual assault. He had her stripped down as you know, from the from the the book which got him prematurely ejaculated. And then now he went through all the gory. Details of how he killed it where he wanted to dispose of her a an park right near the New Jersey border. How he inserted himself into the search parties looking looking for the victim, which is very very typical. We would look for that today because we've seen so many cases, you know, you know, like that. But he will go ahead, sir. Well, that just know that was going to say so right there that moments and let me jump into say, that's what that's what brought me back to to some of the themes in the book because as you you you said, you know, that you just you could see this guy's being execution. Worthy that since you didn't see anything redeeming about letting him out letting him back in letting them have access to this money. And that it would only create that are there only be future victims. And that's what I was reminded as I said, something J K Rowling when said when she's talking about Harry Potter, and I it just always bugged me because I just don't think there's any evidence for her saying this. But she said there is no good and evil. There is only power to your point and those who are those too weak to seek it. And I thought that's just not true. There is true evil that lurks in the in the hearts of some men and women. No definitely isn't and the concern with with McGowan with the parole board. Would he kill again? And I said they're telling me what a model prisoner is actually should be a model prisoner. I mean, he's here. He's getting his three square meals a day. And right. So he stayed out of trouble. But now you put him back into going to go to New York. You put him in that situation there stress. Something doesn't go. You know, you know, go right for him. It may not be the same type of case it may be a workplace violence or some other type type of crime, but he he has his within. And it's you cannot rehabilitate someone who is not habilitated to begin with. I mean, he's been like this for his life. He had some of the earlier signs of of bullying as a child animal cruelty. We saw which is a steam we've seen a lot of these different different cases animal torture, torturing which is pretty good. Pretty good predict or at least if you see that or a schoolteacher sees as a parent, you better better dressing and not think that it's something that the child is gonna grow grow out of this is bad bad behavior. But no, he certainly, you know, was evil. So in the end the end result with him is as gave him hit. They call it another thirty thirty years that he's not going to serve another thirty. He could get out earlier. But I doubt it I will probably die die in prison. And I hope he does dime prison and not get out suppose. He does get out. I'll give you one of the guys he wants to see. Right exactly in prison. And and with a if I can say this. I mean, I think we all felt it while you were recounting the story with kind of a an I use the word loosely here, but sort of a legitimate gripe about betrayal. He was he he he confessed to you on things that you, you know, in a very jujitsu Lakeway turned around against him the next day. And so he had to feel like, dammit, you know, that the Mika moment of lake I can't believe I did that. And I gave the I mean the guy who used it against me. I'll get that. John Douglas someday. I could totally see that's the way he would feel. Yeah. Because sometimes during the interview, I'm thinking this guy. He's told me stuff that no one even knows about even even other cases, not just him about other other people. I'm I'm just trying to create an environment where they forget who I am to get you know, where where they are making a kind of as relaxes I can type. Of type of environment. Where I've I've had some interviews where I actually ended a half a dozen killers Asia over to Baltimore. And and and they bring in about a half a dozen, and they would sit around sit around with them and go through the crimes cries with them. And some of my tell I would tell them I said, I'm really at a disadvantage just kind of tell me what the crime scene would look like, and what the elements there, and then I would kind of go through it. About who they are. And what led up to the crime? And what was the precipitating factor? A stressor what they did, you know afterwards and they'd sit around and amaze like think some kind of psychic or something. But it's just you see so many of these these cases and the thing. That's frightening. Is that there's no remorse because of the crimes they perpetrated not not in the least, and I'll get sometimes crying. But but the times I've got them to cry sixty minutes, actually, followed me into Pittsburgh penitentiary, you mentioned south lambs, and and Ted LeVine. 'cause I was I I was a technical visor in the movie I was in the bureau. I view the guy who kept women in the pit his name is Gary Hyde Nick in Philadelphia ever heard of that hurt him. And but the difference with him as he would fill up hit up with water and put the victim in in the pit handcuffed shackled, and then he began electric wire and electrocute them while they were in the water today to horrific things, you know, after that, that's, but when I did the interview and six Leslie stall, it was one of her first show that you did for sixty minutes. She about freaked out when Houston observing me with this is interview time real I really got is what I brought up. The mother of forget the Vadim. They it was his mother relationship or the lack of relationship that he had from a mother who pretty much abandoned him. And but there was some abuse involved emotional abuse, sexual abused by boyfriends came home with the you know with the and that yet so that that was thing I found that with so many other cases, I mean, some again in bicker nickname, pliers bigger and convicted rapist out of California. And he's two guys fantasize prison when they get out to go to rape a teenager for every year of teenagers life, and they got a van the murder. Mac insulated, the interior cruised LA, kill the half dozen and what made horrific is. Is that they made audio tapes of the torture. The torture before they kill the victims. I may Scott Glen who betrayed me sows, the lamb I made them listen to I I said, I want you to know what the heck we going to down what we see what what kind of evil evil that is is out there. And during the entity with him, I had a woman Asian next to me. She would ask a question. He wouldn't even look at it. Not that he would not kill her killer via the chance. He didn't want anything to do with her. So she has question you'd look at me. And the only time he got emotional was when I brought up again early childhood, mother, lack vanden minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Then they got emotional, but as far the motion for the the crime. They it's justifiable homicide and their way of thinking, they deserve it. I mean, I have my my my own. I'm here incarcerate. I'm locked up twenty four seven they there's nothing there. So so when you get a psychologist doing interview, and these guys they know how to shed a tear, they know what the buzz, whereas what the strengths want to hear from them. So if you go in a yet, not armed with the facts of the case, the background all the information there, and how that the EPA eighty somebody interpret because they don't necessarily have that background interpreted for for them. What you know what it means if you're making decisions for Bachchan parole. I told them I said, you have no business making those decisions because you really don't understand the crime or or the criminal who you're talking to the book again is the killer across the table in this book, John Douglas and his co author with whom he has worked for years Marco. Oh, shaker talk about talking about. So it's a conversation about conversations that this is how it's done. And this is this is the the dynamics of these types of conversations that end up becoming essential to good police work the. There's long standing belief about that somehow work we've entered into some sort of new age, and that, and I know that you know, because of cars and planes, and the internet and other technology, of course, you know, it's easier for people to find more victims to find the perfect victim. It might have been you know, you can if they just kind of victim they're looking for. They might be able to create more circumstances using a chat room somewhere or something. But I I'm of the belief that I'd be curious to think about it. 'cause I included this in my in my dissertation about about. I wrote about narratives about how true crime stories are told what the role is of true crime in our culture. And I argue that it goes back to the same role that folk tales and fairy tales used to tell which was the idea of something of these stories were. Prophylactic in nature. They were intended to be preventative and that you heard these stories and you heard them repeatedly. So that you began to know who are the who are those that you need to avoid. And I think that's so much of what you did in your work in profiling you were doing the same thing who are the people that we need. How do we help find out who the future victims of the future perpetrators are?.

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13:07 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"John Douglas the mind hunter both of the book and flicks series fame as well as silence of the lambs series. Is here with us when we're talking about some of the lesser known or less, you know, certainly in New Jersey originally a lot of well known cases, but not quite the marquee names of BT K or Ted Bundy that that he talks about in the killer across the table. It's more about the conversations themselves, and how does the process of conversation reveals and what people are willing to reveal about themselves. And this brings us back to the Joseph McGowan case of a schoolteacher Chem high school chemistry teacher who creeped out. Some of the girl students was always trying to be liked, but kind of always failing at that same time. But in the so going to the bottom of the hour, John you mentioned that he had said to you later on that the second. He saw the victim who came to the door little Joan de Las Andro right of. That second. He saw the girl. He knew he was gonna kill her is what he mentioned you. But in his original confession. At least according to the book that that was a snap decision that came after he knew he needed to molest her heat. He was overcome by this sort of sexual desire for her. And then after he did that then he knew he had to kill her in order to hide the evidence you get the conflict mentioning there the the parole boards when they went for the parole board the very next day. Tell tell about the interview they they were referring to him as a as a pedophile. And and I said he said the girl. Yes, she's seven years of age. But he's not he's not a pedophile. He's he's not he's not a pedophile on that particular day. When you hear the knock on the door. There was a seven year old girl at the door. It could have been a seventy year old woman at the door. He was in the mode to kill and of course, as a sex. Actual component to it. But one of the things we found in the the research I did particularly early early on. We're maybe evidence of sex. But when you conduct the interviews, and we start putting it all together. It's really it's about power. It's about control it's about displaced anger, and it really they may have a preferential victim a certain age a certain asserted look to a victim. But if they can't find the victim. They'll kill whomever, whomever is is available there. So yes, there is there was a sexual component he failed during the sexual assault. He had her strip down as you know, from the from the book, which got him prematurely ejaculated. And then now he went through all the gory. Details of how he killed it where he went to to dispose of her a an park near the New Jersey border how he inserted himself into the search parties. Looking you're looking for the victim, which is very very typical. We would look for that today because we've seen so many cases, you know, you know, you know, like that. But he will go ahead, sir. Well, that just say so right there that moment. So let me jump into say, that's what that's what brought me back to to some of the themes in the book because as you you you said, you know, that you would just you could see this guy's being execution were. Worthy in that. Since you didn't see anything redeeming about letting him out letting him back in and letting them have access to this money, and that it would only create that dude only be future victims. And that's what I was reminded as I said, something JK Rowling when said when she's talking about Harry Potter, and I it just always bugged me because I just don't think there's any evidence for her saying this. But she said there is no good and evil. There is only power to your point and those who are those too weak to seek it. And I thought that's just not true. There is true evil that lurks in the in the hearts of some men and women. No definitely isn't and the concern with with McGowan with the parole board. Would he kill again? And I said they're telling me what a model prisoner is actually should be a model prisoner. He's here. He's getting his three square meals a day. And so he stayed out of trouble. The guy you put him back into going to go to New York. You put him in that situation there stress. Something doesn't go. You know, you know, go right for him. It may not be the same type of case it may be a workplace violence or some other type type of crime, but he he has his within. And it's you cannot rehabilitate someone who is not habilitated to begin with. I mean, he's been like this for his life. He had some of the earlier signs of bullying as as a child animal cruelty. We saw which is a steam we've seen a lot of these different different cases animal torture, torturing which is pretty good. Pretty good predict or at least if you see that or a schoolteacher seizes a parent, you better better dressing and not think that it's something that the child is gonna grow grow out of this this bad bad behavior. But no, he's certainly, you know, was evil. So in the end the end result with him is is they gave him a hit. They call it. Another thirty thirty years this. He's not going to serve another thirty. He could get out early. But I doubt it he'll probably die die in prison. And I hope he does die in prison and not get out because he does get out. I'll be one of the guys he wants wants to see because. In prison. Yeah. And and and with a if I can say this. I mean, I think we all felt it while you were recounting the story with kind of a an I use the word loosely here. It's sort of a legitimate gripe about betrayal. He was he he confessed to you on things that you, you know, in a very jujitsu Lakeway turned around against him the next day. And so he had to feel like damn it. You know, the the moment of lake I can't believe I did that. And I gave the I mean into the guy who used it against me. I'll get that. John Douglas someday. I could totally see that's where he would feel because sometimes during the interview, I'm thinking this guy. He's telling me stuff that no one even knows about even even other cases, not just him about other other people. I'm I'm just trying to create an environment where they forget who. I am forget, you know, where where they are making a kind of as relaxes I can type. Of type of environment. Where I've I've had some interviews where I actually ended a half a dozen killers as go over to Baltimore. And and and they bring it about a half a dozen, and they would sit around sit around with them and go through the crimes cries with them. And some of my I would tell them I said, I'm really at a disadvantage just kind of tell me what the crime scene would look like, and what the elements there, and then I would kind of go through it. About who they are. And what led up to the crime? And what was the precipitating factor? A stressor what they did, you know afterwards and they'd sit around and amaze like you think some kind of psychic or something. But it's just you see so many of these these cases and the thing. That's frightening. Is that there's no remorse because of the crimes that they perpetrated not not in the least elegant sometimes crying. But but the times I've got them to cry sixty minutes, actually, followed me into Pittsburgh penitentiary, you mentioned south lambs, and yeah and Ted LeVine who had met because I was I was a visor in the movie I was in the bureau. I view the guy who kept women to pit. His name is Gary Hyde Nick in Philadelphia. You ever heard of heard hurt him in? But the difference with him. He would fill up it up with water and put the victim in in the pit handcuffed shackled, and then he would get electric wire and electrocute them while they were in the water today horrific things, you know, after that that so, but when I did the interview and six Leslie stall, it was one of her first show that you did for sixty minutes. She freaked out when she was observing me with this is interview the time real I really got is when I brought up the mother of forget the victims. It was his mother relationship or the lack of relationship that he had from a mother who pretty much abandoned him. And but there was some abuse involved emotional abuse sexual abuse by boyfriends came home with the you know with the and that yet so that that was thing I found that with so. Any other cases? And some again in bicker nickname, pliers bec- or convicted rapist out of California. And he's two guys fantasize prison when they get out to go to rape a teenager for every year for teenagers life, and they got a van to call the Myrna. Mack, insulated the interior cruised LA, kill the half a dozen. And what made it horrific is that they made audio tapes of the torture. The torture before they kill the victims. May Scott Glen who betrayed me and silence of the lambs made them listen to I I said, I want you to know what the heck we going to down in what we see what what kind of evil evil that is is out there. And during the entity with him, I had a woman agent next to me. She would ask a question. He wouldn't even look at it. Not that he would not kill her kill. If you had the chance he didn't want anything to do with her. So she has question you'd look at me. And the only time he got emotional was brought up again early childhood Mazar, lack vanden minutes, then they got emotional, but as far the motion for the the crime. They it's justifiable homicide and their way of thinking, they deserve it. I mean, I have my my my own. I'm here incarcerate. I'm locked up twenty four seven they there's nothing there. So so when you get a psychologist doing interview, and these guys they know how to shed a tear. They know what the buzzer is what the shrinks want to hear from them. So if you go into yet, not armed with the facts of the case, the background all the information there, and how that the EPA meeting somebody interpret because they don't necessarily have that background interpreted for for them. What you know what it means? If you're making decisions probation parole. I said you have no business making those decisions because you really. I don't understand the crime or or the criminal who you're talking to the book again is the killer across the table in this book, John Douglas and his co author with whom he has worked for years Marco shaker talk about talking about. So it's a conversation about conversations that this is how it's done. And this is this is the the dynamics of these types of conversations that end up becoming essential to good police work. Well, the there's long standing belief about that somehow work ventured into some sort of new age, and that, and I know that you know, because of cars and planes, and the internet and other technology, of course, you know, it's easier for people to find more victims to find the perfect victim. It might have been you know, you can if they just. Victim. They're looking for. They might be able to create more circumstances using a chat room somewhere or something. But I I'm of the belief that I'd be curious to think about it. 'cause I included this in my in my dissertation about about. I wrote about narratives about how true crime stories are told what the role is of true crime in our culture. And I argue that it goes back to the same role that folk tales and fairy tales used to tell which was the idea of something of these stories were prophylactic in nature. They were intended to be preventative and that you heard these stories and you heard them repeatedly. So that you began to know who are who are those that you need to avoid. And I think that's so much of what you did in your work in profiling you were doing the same thing who are the people that we need. How do we help find out who the future victims of the future perpetrators are? But what do you think of that idea that that the arc? Type for every serial killer today in some ways could be traced back to the to the earliest known versions of these stories..

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

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12:45 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

"Y. So John Douglas the mind hunter both of the book and flicks series fame as well as silence of the lambs series is here with us. And we're talking about some of the lesser known, or at least, you know, certainly in New Jersey originally a lot of well-known cases, but not quite the marquee names of BT K or Ted Bundy that that he talks about in the killer across the table. That's more about the conversations themselves, and how does the process of conversation reveals and what people are willing to reveal about themselves. And this brings us back to the Joseph McGowan case of a schoolteacher Chem high school chemistry teacher who creeped out. Some of the girl students was always trying to be liked, but kind of always failing at that same time. But in the coming to the bottom of the hour, John you mentioned that he had. Said to you later on the the second. He saw the victim who came to the door little Joan de LA, Sandra. Right. That second. He saw the girl. He knew he was going to kill her is what he mentioned you. But in his original confession. At least according to the book that that was a snap decision that came after he knew he needed to molest her he he was overcome by this sort of sexual desire for her. And then after he did that then he knew he had to kill her in order to hide the evidence, you get the conflict mentioning there. The. Parole boards went the very next day. Tell them about the interview they they were referring to as a as a pedophile. And and I said he said the girl. Yes, she's seven years of age. But he's not he's not a pedophile. He's not he's not a pedophile on that particular day. When you hear the knock on the door. There was a seven year old girl at the door. It could have been a seventy year old woman at the door. He was in the mode to kill and of course, as a sexual component to it. But one of the things we found in the the research I did particularly early early on where maybe evidence of sex. But when you conduct the interviews, and we start putting it all together. It's really it's about power. It's about control it's about the spliced anger, and it really they have a preferential victim a certain age a certain look to a victim. But if they can't find the victim. They'll kill whomever, whomever is is available there. So yes, there is there was a sexual component he failed join the sexual assault. He had stripped down as you know, from the from the the book, which got prematurely ejaculated. And then now he went through all the gory. Details of how he killed it where he wanted to dispose of her in a park right near the New Jersey border, how he inserted himself into the search parties looking looking for the victim, which is very typical. We would look for that today because we've seen so many cases, you know, you know, like that. But he will go ahead, sir. No that was going to say so right there that moment. So let me jump into say, that's what that's what brought me back to to some of the themes in the book because as you you you said, you know, that you just you could see this guy's being execution worthy in that. Since you didn't see anything redeeming about letting him out letting back in letting them have access to this money, and that it would only create than they really be future victims. And that's what I was reminded as I said, something J K Rowling when said when she's talking about Harry Potter, and I it's just always bugged me because I just don't think there's any evidence for her saying this. But she said there is no good and evil. There is only power to your point and those who are those too weak to seek it. And I thought that's just not true. There is true evil that lurks in the in the hearts of some men and women. That definitely isn't and the concern with with McGowan with the parole board. Would he kill again? And I said what a model prisoner is a model prisoner. He's here. He's getting his three square meals a day. Right. So he stayed out of trouble. You put him back into New York. You put him in that situation. There stress doesn't go. You know, you know, go right for him. It may not be the same type of case it may be a workplace violence or some other type type of crime, but he has this within and it's cannot rehabilitate someone who is not habilitated to begin with. I mean, he's been like this for his life. He had something earlier signs of bullying as a child animal cruelty. We saw which is a steam we've seen a lot of these different different cases animal torture, torturing, which is a pretty good. Pretty good predictor. At least if you see that or a schoolteacher sees this. Apparent you'd better better dress and not think that it's something that the child is gonna grow grow out of this this bad bad behavior. But no, he certainly, you know, was evil. So in the end the end result with him is is a gate him hit. They call it. Another thirty thirty years. He's not going to serve another thirty. He could get out earlier. But I doubt it he'll probably die die in prison. And I hope he does die in prison and not get out because he does get out. One of the guys he wants to see. Exactly in prison. Yeah. And and with a if I could say this. I mean, I think we all felt it while you were recounting the story with kind of a an I use the word loosely here. It's sort of legitimate gripe about betrayal. He was he he he confessed to you on things that you, you know, in a very jujitsu Lakeway turned around against him the next day. And so he had to feel like, dammit, you know, that the Mika moment of lake I can't believe I did that and I gave the ammunition to the guy who used it against me. I'll get that. John Douglas someday. I can totally see that's the way he would feel because sometimes doing the NFL I'm thinking this guy. He's told me stuff that no one even knows about even even other cases, not just him about other other people. I'm I'm just trying to to create an environment where they forget who. I am forget, you know, where where they are making a kind of as relaxes I can type of type of environment where I've I've. Had some interviews. Right. Actually, ended a half a dozen killers Asia over to Baltimore. And and and bring it about a half a dozen, and they would sit around sit around with them and goes through the crimes crabs with them. Some of my tell I would tell them I said, I'm really at a disadvantage just kind of tell me what the crime scene would look like, and what the elements there, and then I would kind of go through it about who they are. And what led up to the crime? And what was the precipitating factor? A stressor what they did, you know afterwards and they'd sit around and amaze like you think some kind of psychic or something. But it's just you see so many of these these cases and the thing. That's frightening. Is that there's no remorse because of the crimes that they perpetrated not not in the least sometimes crying. But but the time I've got them to cry sixty minutes, actually, followed me into Pittsburgh penitentiary, you mentioned south lambs. And yeah. And. Because I was I was a visor in the movie, I was in the bureau view, the guy who kept women pit his name is Gary Hyde, Nick and Philadelphia you ever heard of that hurt him in. But the difference with him as he would fill up hit up with water and put the victim in in the pit handcuffed shackled electric wire and electrocute them while they're in horrific things, you know, after that, that's, but when I do the end of you and Leslie Stahl I show is that you did for sixty minutes. She about freaked out when she was observing me with this is interview the tiny real I really got is when I brought up the mother of forget the vague victims. It was his mother relationship or the lack of relationship that he had from a mother who pretty much abandoned him. And there was some abuse involved emotional abuse sexual abuse by boyfriends came home with the you know with the. And that yet. So that that was thing I found that with so many other cases again in bickers nickname pliers, bicker, convicted rapist out of California. And he's two guys fantasize prison when they get out to go to rape Aquinas for every year but teenagers life, and they got a van insulated the interior cruised LA, the kill the half a dozen. And what made it horrific is that they made audio tapes of the torture. The torture before they kill the victims. Scott Glen who betrayed me lamb. Listen to I I said, I want you to know what the heck we go to down in what we just kind of evil evil that is is out there and during the energy with him. I had a woman agent next to me. She would ask a question. He wouldn't even look at it. Not that he would not kill her kill if you had the chance he didn't want anything to do with her. So she has question you'd look at me. And the only got emotional was when I brought up again early childhood, Lahser, lack vanden minutes. Yeah. Then they got emotional emotional the crime. They it's justifiable homicide and their way of thinking, they deserve it. I have my my my own. I'm here incarcerate. I'm locked up twenty four seven there's nothing there. So so when you get a psychologist interview, and these guys, they know how to shed a tear. They know what the buzzer is what the shrinks want to hear from them. So go any yet, not armed with the facts of the case, the background all the information there, and how that the EPA interpret because they don't necessarily have that background interpreted floor for them. What you know what it means? If you're making decisions for parole, iphone, I said, you have no business making those decisions because you really don't understand the crime or or the criminal who you're talking to. The book again is the killer across the table in this book John Douglas, co author with whom he has worked for years Marco shaker talk about talking about. So it's a conversation about conversations that this is how it's done. And this is this is the the dynamics of these types of conversations that end up becoming essential to good police work. Well, the. There's long standing belief about that somehow ventured into some sort of new age, and that I know that you know, because of cars and planes, and the internet and other technology, of course, you know, it's easier for people to find more victims to find the perfect victim. It might have been you know, you can if they just the kind of victim they're looking for. They might be able to create more circumstances using a chat room somewhere something. But I I'm of the belief that I'd be curious think about it. 'cause I included this in my in my dissertation about about. I wrote about narratives about how true crime stories are told in what the role is of true crime in our culture. And I argue that it goes back to the same role that folk tales and fairy tales. Used to tell which was the idea of something of these stories were prophylactic in nature they were tended to be preventative. And that you heard these stories and you heard them repeatedly. So that you began to know who are who are those that you need to avoid. And I think that's so much of what you did in your work in profiling you were doing the same thing who are the people that we need. How do we help find out who the future victims of the future perpetrators are? But what do you think of that idea that that the archetype for every serial killer today in some ways could be traced back to the to the earliest known versions of these stories. I think in terms of folktales and fairy tales, do you see a legitimacy there? Legitimacy. They're the the the problem with with the media, and how the media portrays these offenders, they make them kind of supernatural some of the Hannibal Lecter types..

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

11:55 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"So John Douglas the mind hunter both of the book and flicks series fame, as well as silence of the lambs series is here with us when we're talking about some of the lesser known, or at least, you know, certainly in New Jersey regionally a lot of well known cases, but not quite the marquee names of BT K or Ted Bundy that that he talks about in the killer across the table. That's more about the conversations themselves, and how does the process of conversation reveals and what people are willing to reveal about themselves. And this brings us back to the Joseph McGowan case of a schoolteacher Chem high school chemistry teacher who creeped out. Some of the girl students was always trying to be liked, but kind of always failing at that same time. But in the so go. To the bottom of the hour. John you mentioned that he had said to you later on that the second. He saw the victim who came to the door little Joan de Las Andro, right? That second. He saw the girl. He knew he was gonna kill her is what he mentioned to you. But in his original confession, at least, according to the book that that was a snap decision that came after he knew he needed to molest her he was overcome by this sort of sexual desire for her. And then after he did that then he knew he had to kill her in order to hide the evidence you get the conflict mentioning there the parole board when they went to the parole board the very next day. Tell tell them about the interview they they were referring to him as a as a pedophile. And and I said, I said the girl. Yes, she's seven years of age. But he's not. He's not a pedophile is not. He's not. Pedophile on that particular day when you heard the knock on the door. There was a seven year old girl at the door. It could've been a seventy year old woman at the door. He was in the mode to kill and of course, as a sexual component to it. But one of the things we found in the the research I did particularly early early on. We're maybe evidence of sex. But when you conduct the interviews, and we start putting it all together. It's really it's about power. It's about control it's about this place anger, and it really they may have a preferential victim a certain age a certain look to victim. But they can't find the victim. They'll kill whomever, whomever is is available there. So yes, there is there was a sexual component he failed during the sexual assault. He had her strip down as you know, from the from the the book which got him prematurely Jackie related, and then now he went through all the gory. Details of how he killed it where he went. To to dispose of her a park right near the New Jersey border. How he inserted himself into the search parties? Looking you're looking for the victim, which is very very typical. We would look for that today because we've seen so many cases, you know, you know, like that. But he will go ahead, sir. Well that just say so right there that moments. Let me jump into say, that's what that's what brought me back to to some of the themes in the book because as you you you said, you know, that you would just you could see this guy's being execution worthy in that. Since you didn't see anything redeeming about letting him out letting him back in and letting them have access to this money, and that it would only create that would only be future victims. And that's what I was reminded as I said, something J K Rowling when said when she's talking about Harry Potter, and I it just always bugged me because I just don't think there's any evidence for her saying this, but she said. There is no good and evil. There is only power to your point. And those who are those too weak to seek it. And I thought that's just not true. There is true evil that lurks in the in the hearts of some men and women. No definitely isn't and the concern with with McGowan with the parole board. Would he kill again? And I said they're telling me what a model prisoner is actually should be a model prisoner. I mean, he's here. He's getting his three square meals a day. And right. So he stayed out of trouble. Now, you put him back into going to New York. You put him in that situation there stress. Something doesn't go. You know, you know, go right for him. It may not be the same type of case it may be a workplace violence or some other type type of crime, but he he has this within and it's you cannot rehabilitate someone who is not habilitated to begin with. I mean, he's been like this for his life. He had some of the earlier signs of bullying has as a child animal cruelty. We saw which is a theme. We've seen a lot of these different different cases animal torture, torturing which is pretty good. Pretty good predictor. At least if you see that or a schoolteacher sees a parent, you'd better better dressing and not think that it's something that the child is gonna grow grow out of this is bad know, bad behavior. But no, he's certainly, you know, was evil. So in the end the end result with him is is they gave him hit. They call it another thirty thirty years, but this he's not going to serve another thirty. He could get out earlier. But I doubt it I probably die die in prison. And I hope he does die in prison and not get out. He does get out. I'll be one of the guys he wants to see. Right. Exactly in prison. And and with a if I can say this. I mean, I think we all felt it while you were recounting the story with kind of a an I use the word loosely here, but sort of a legitimate gripe about betrayal. He was he he he confessed to you on things that you, you know, in a very jujitsu Lakeway turned around against him the next day. And so he had to feel like damn it. You know that the Mika moment of lake I can't believe I did that. And I gave the I mean ish into the guy who used to gets me I'll get that. John Douglas someday. I could totally see that's the way he would feel because sometimes during the I'm thinking this guy. He's telling me stuff that no one even knows about even even other cases, not just him about other other people. I'm I'm just trying to create an environment where they get who. I am forget, you know, where where they are making a kind of as relaxes I can type of. Of type of environment. Where I've I've had some interviews where I actually ended a half a dozen killers go to Baltimore. And and and they would bring about a half a dozen, and they would sit around sit around with them and go through the crimes cries with some of my tell I tell them I said, I'm really at a disadvantage just kind of tell me what the crime scene would look like, and what the elements there, and then I would kind of go through it. About who they are. And what led up to the crime? And what was the precipitating factor? A stressor what they did, you know afterwards and they'd sit around and amaze like some kind of psychic or something. But it's just you see so many of these these cases and the thing. That's frightening. Is that there's no remorse because of the crimes that they perpetrated not not in the least, and I'll get sometimes crying. But but the times I've got them to cry sixty minutes, actually, followed me into Pittsburgh penitentiary, you mentioned sows lambs and yeah. And Ted LeVine. 'cause I was I I was a tech visor in the movie I was in the bureau interviewed the guy who kept women in the pit his name is Gary Hyde Nick and Philadelphia ever heard of that hurt him in. But the difference with him as he would fill up hit up with water and put the victim in in the pit handcuffed shackled, and then he would get electric wire and electrocute them while they were in the water today horrific things, you know, after that, that's, but when I did the interview six Leslie stall, it was one of her first show is that you did for sixty minutes. She about freaked out when she was observing me with this is interview tiny real I really got is when I brought up the mother of you know, forget the victims. It was his mother relationship or the lack of relationship that he had from a mother who pretty much abandoned him. And but there was some abuse involved emotional abuse sexual. Used by boyfriends came home with the you know with the mom and that yet so that that was the thing I found that with so many other cases I mean and again in bicker. His nickname was pliers bicker and convicted rapist out of California. And he's two guys fantasize when prison when they get out to go to rape a teenager for every year of teenagers life, and they got a van call the murder. Mac insulated, the interior cruised LA, they kill the half a dozen and what made horrific. Is that they made audio tapes of the torture. The torture before they kill the victims. In fact, I made Scott Glen who betrayed me and silence of the lambs. I made them listen to I I want you to know what the heck we going down. What we see what what kind of evil evil that is is out there and during the energy with him. I had a woman agent next to me. She would ask a question. He wouldn't even look at her. Not that he would not kill her kill if you had the chance he didn't want anything to do with her. So she has question you'd look at me. And the only time he got emotional was brought up again early childhood, lack vanden minutes. Yeah. Then they got emotional, but as far the motion for the the crime. They it's justifiable homicide in their ways thinking, they deserve it. I have my my my own. I'm here incarcerate. I'm locked up twenty four seven they there's nothing there. So so when you get a psychologist going into the end of you, and these guys they know how to shed a tear. They know what the buzzer is what the shrinks want to hear from them. So if you go in not armed with the facts of the case, the background all the information there, and how that the EPA somebody interpret because they don't necessarily have that background interpreted floor for them. What you know what it means? If you're making decisions for Bachchan parole. I told them I said, you have no business making those decisions because you really. Don't understand the crime or or the criminal who you're talking to the book again is the killer across the table in this book, John Douglas and his co author with whom he has worked for years Marco shaker talk about talking about. So it's a conversation about conversations that this is how it's done. And this is this is the the dynamics of these types of conversations that end up becoming essential to good police work. Well, the there's long standing belief about that somehow we're we've entered into some sort of new age, and that, and I know that you know, because of cars and planes, and the internet and other technology, of course, you know, it's easier for people to find more victims to find the perfect victim..

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WCBM 680 AM

11:13 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"So John Douglas the mind hunter both of the book and flicks series fame as well as silence of the lambs series. Is here with us when we're talking about some of the lesser known or less, you know, certainly in New Jersey regionally a lot of well known cases, but not quite the marquee names of BT K or Ted Bundy that that he talks about the killer across the table. That's more about the conversations themselves, and how does the process of conversation reveals and what people are willing to reveal about themselves. And this brings us back to the Joseph mccowan case of a schoolteacher Chem high school chemistry teacher who creeped out. Some of the girl students was always trying to be liked, but kind of always feeling that same time. But in the so going to the bottom of the hour, John you mentioned that he had said to you later on the second. He saw the victim who came to the door little Joan de LA Sandra right of that second. He saw the girl. He knew he was going to kill her is what he mentioned you. But in his original confession. At least according to the book that that was a snap decision that came after he knew he needed to molest her he he was overcome by this sort of sexual desire for her. And then after he did that then he knew he had to kill her in order to hide the evidence you get the conflict mentioning there the the parole boards when they want to put the parole board the very next day. Tell tell them about the interview they they were referring to him as a as a pedophile. And and I said he said the girl. Yes, she's seven years of age. But he's not. He's not a pedophile is not he's not a pedophile on that particular day when you heard the knock on the door. There was a seven year old girl at the door. It could have been a seventy year old woman at the door. He was in the mode to kill and of course, as a sexual component to it. But one of the things he found in the the research I did particularly early early on. We're maybe evidence of sex. But when you conduct the interviews, and we start putting it all together. It's really it's about power. It's about control it's about this place anger, and it really they may have a preferential victim a certain age a certain certain look to a victim. But if they can't find the victim, they'll kill whomever, whomever is is available there. So yes, there is there was a sexual component he failed during the sexual assault. He had her stripped down as you know, from the from the the book which got him prematurely ejaculated. And then now he. I went through all the gory. Details of how he killed it where he went to to dispose of her a park right near the New Jersey border. How he inserted himself into the search parties looking at looking for the victim, which is very very typical. We would look for that today because we've seen so many cases, you know, you know, like that. But he will go ahead, sir. Well, that just know that say so right there that moment. So let me jump into say, that's what that's what brought me back to to some of the themes in the book because as you you you said, you know, that you would just you could see this guy's being execution worthy in that. Since you didn't see anything redeeming about letting him out letting him back in letting him have access to this money. And that it would only create that dude only be future victims. And that's what I was reminded as I said JK Rowling said when she's talking about Harry Potter. And I it's just always bugged me because I just don't think there's any. Evidence for her saying this. But she said there is no good in evil. There is only power to your point. And those who are those too weak to seek it. And I thought that's just not true. There is true evil that lurks in the hearts of some men and women. No definitely isn't and the concern with with McGowan with the parole board. Would he kill again? And I said they're telling me what a model prisoner is actually should be a model prisoner mean he's here. He's getting his three square meals a day. And right. So he stayed out of trouble. But now you put him back into New York. You put him in that situation there stress. Something doesn't go. You know, you know, go right for him. It may not be the same type of case it may be a workplace violence or some other type type of crime, but he he has his within. And it's you cannot rehabilitate some. Someone who is not have billeted to begin with. I mean, he's been like this for his life. He had some of the earlier signs of of bullying as as a child animal cruelty. We saw which is a theme. We've seen a lot of these different different cases animal torture, torturing which is a pretty good pretty good predict or at least if you see that or schoolteacher sees this a parrot you'd better better dressing and not think that it's something that the child is gonna grow grow out of this is bad, you know, bad behavior. But no, he's certainly, you know, was evil. So in the end the end result with him is is it gave him hit. They call it another thirty thirty years, but this he's not going to serve another thirty. He could get out earlier. But I doubt it I will probably die die in prison. And I hope he does die in prison and not get up because he does get out. I'll you one of the guys he wants you want to see right exactly in prison. Yeah. And and with a if I can say this. I mean, I think we all felt it while you were recounting the story with kind of a an I use the word loosely here, but sort of legitimate gripe about betrayal. He was he he he confessed to you on things that you, you know, in a very jujitsu Lakeway turned around against him the next day. And so he had to feel like damn it. You know, the a moment of lake I can't believe I did that and I gave the ammunition to the guy who used it against me. I'll get that. John Douglas someday. I totally see that's the way he would feel because sometimes doing the interview I'm thinking this guy. He's told me stuff that no one even knows about even even other cases, not just him about other other people. I'm I'm just trying to to create an environment where they get who. I am forget, you know, where where they are make it a kind of as relaxes. I can. Type of type of environment. Where I I've I've had some interviews where I actually ended a half a dozen killers go over to Baltimore. And and and they bring it about a half a dozen, and they would sit around sit around with them and go through the crimes cries with them. And some of my tell I tell them I said, I'm really at a disadvantage just kind of tell me what the crime scene would look like, and what the elements there, and then I would kind of go through it. About who they are. And what led up to the crime? And what was the precipitating factor? A stressor what they did, you know afterwards and they'd sit around and amaze like you think some kind of psychic or something. But it's just you see so many of these these cases and the thing. That's frightening. Is that there's no remorse because of the crimes that they perpetrated not not in the least, and I'll get sometimes crying. But but the times I've got to cry fifty minutes, actually, followed me into Pittsburgh penitentiary, you mentioned south lands, and and Ted LeVine who had met 'cause I was I I was a visor in the movie I was in the bureau. I view the guy who kept women pit his name is Gary Hyde Nick and Philadelphia ever heard of that hurt him. And but the difference with him as he would fill up with water and put the victim in in the pit. Handcuffed shackled, and then he would get electric wire and electrocute them while they were in in the water day horrific things, you know, after that, that's, but when I did the interview and six Leslie stall, it was one of her first show that you did for sixty minutes. She freaked out when she was observing me with this is interview the time it real I really got is what I brought up the mother of you know, forget the Vadim the victims. It was his mother relationship or the lack of relationship that he had from a mother who pretty much abandoned him. And but there was some abuse involved emotional abuse sexual abuse by boyfriends that came home with the, you know, with the and that yet so that that was thing I found that with so many other cases, I mean, I you some again in bickers nickname, pliers bec- or a convicted rapist. Out of California. And he's two guys fantasize when prison when they get out to go to rape a teenager for every year of teenagers life, and they got a van call the murder. Mak insulated the interior cruised LA, they kill the half a dozen and what made horrific. Is that they made audio tapes of the torture. The torture before they kill the victims. I may Scott Glen who betrayed me sows, the lamb. I made them listen to I said, I want you to know what the heck we going through down here. What we see what just what kind of evil evil that is is out there. And during the entity with him, I had a woman agent next to me. She would ask a question. He wouldn't even look at it. Not that. He would not kill her kill the chance. He didn't want anything to do with her. So she has question you'd look at me. And the only time he got emotional was when I brought up again early childhood mother lack of. Yeah. Yeah. Then they got emotional as far the motion for the the crime. They it's justifiable homicide in their ways thinking, they deserve it. I have my my my own. I'm here incarcerate. I'm locked up twenty four seven they there's nothing there. So so when you get a psychologist do interview, and these guys they know how to shed a tear. They know what the buzzer is what the shrinks want to hear from them. So if you go in yet, not armed with the facts of the case, the background all the information there, and how that the EPA meeting somebody interpret because they don't necessarily have that background interpreted for for them. What you know what it means if you're making decisions for Bachchan parole. I told them I said, you have no business making those decisions because you really don't understand the crime or or the criminal who you're talking to the book again is the killer across the table in this book John Douglas, co author with whom he has worked for years Marco..

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

02:49 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"In the KYW twenty four hour traffic center, I'm not employed after the third. Good morning. I'm Frank trainer. Our top story. The man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer in what prosecutors called a rape murder fantasy now on his way to death row. More from our suburban bureau chief, Jim Melwert, it took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even harder. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county DA Matt wine trove, you could not write a horror movie with a worst script than that. What was done to grades Packer, actually formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul and is not human solvent at argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Judge Gibbons told Sullivan no human being could be made. Do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick in nineteen ninety nine after he waived his appeals endorsed on Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio and Sullivan's co-defendant and grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer is scheduled to formally plead guilty later today he'll be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. Philadelphia city council will consider a resolution condemning state legislator. Why well for controversial prayer that she said when Pennsylvania's first ever Muslim state Representative sworn in more now from our city hall bureau chief Pat Loeb councilman criticized Jones introduced the resolution accusing Clinton county Representative Stephanie Borowitz of being inappropriate and Islam phobic on the day that Moawiya Johnson Hurrell took office after winning a special election to represent west Philadelphia with Hurrell invited guests thirty two of whom were Muslim in attendance for the swearing in Borowitz said a prayer invoking Jesus thirteen times saying he is our only hope Jones's resolution says the prayer excluded. Not only Muslims, but all other non Christian members of the audience. We just can't sit by and let people just deliberately make people feel uncomfortable. And I'm welcome Borowitz has declined to apologize. But other legislators have come to Hurrell side the legislative black caucus members. Mortified and outraged council will vote on Jones's resolution at its next session. Pat Loeb, KYW NewsRadio the Special Olympics was up for cuts. Now, it's not. And here's why moving to quell one controversy over what amounts to a fraction of a percent of Uncle Sam spending. But getting a lot of attention Special Olympics.

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

02:43 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"Good morning. I'm Frank trainer. Our top story. The man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer in what prosecutors called a rape murder fantasy now on his way to death row. More from our suburban bureau chief, Tim Melwert. It took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even ardor. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county DA Matt wine trove, you could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to grades Packer, actually formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul and is not human solvent argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Judge Gibbons told Sullivan no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old. Solvent joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick in nineteen ninety nine after he waived his appeals endorsed on Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio and Sullivan's co defended and grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer is scheduled to formally plead guilty later today, she'll be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. Philadelphia city council will consider a resolution condemning a state legislator. Why well for controversial prayer that she said when Pennsylvania's first ever Muslim state Representative sworn in more now from our city hall bureau chief Pat Loeb councilman Curtis Jones introduced the resolution accusing Clinton county Representative Stephanie Borowitz of being inappropriate and Islam-phobic on the day that Moawiya Johnson Hurrell took office after winning a special election to represent west Philadelphia with rails invited guests thirty two of whom were Muslim in attendance for the swearing in Borowitz said a prayer invoking Jesus thirteen times saying he is our only hope Jones's resolution says the prayer excluded. Not only Muslims, but all other non Christian members of the audience. We just can't sit by and let people just deliberately make people feel uncomfortable and unwelcome Borowitz has declined to apologize. But other legislators have come to Hurrell side. The legislative black caucus says members wore. Mortified and outraged council will vote on Jones's resolution at its next session. Pat Loeb, KYW NewsRadio the Special Olympics was up for cuts. Now, it's not. And here's why moving to quell one controversy over what amounts to a fraction of a percent of Uncle Sam spending. But getting a lot of attention Special Olympics will.

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

01:32 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"Opener. The Sixers also home last night, they beat Brooklyn. I now it's cloudy forty nine. We're on down to forty five. Good morning. I'm Frank trainer. Our top story at twelve thirty one. The man who killed fourteen year old grace. Packer with prosecutors called a rape rape-murder fantasy has been sentenced to death more. From our suburban bureau chief, Kim Melwork. It took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even harder. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county intro of you could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to grades Packer, actually formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul and does not human Sullivan had argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Judge Gibbons told Sullivan no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick in nineteen. Ninety nine after he waived his appeals in doylestown, Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio. And Sullivan's go defended and grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer is scheduled to formerly plead guilty later today. She'll be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. At twelve thirty two traffic.

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

01:48 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"I'm David math new city council weights into the controversy over a prayer offered when the state's first Muslim legislator was sworn in. I'm Pat Loeb reports the Phillies open their much anticipated season at home with the big ten four win over the Atlanta Braves and the Sixers beat the nets won twenty three one ten right now. Forty nine degrees. Overcast skies going to forty five degrees overnight. Good evening. I'm John Valeria. Our top story at eleven thirty one. The man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer in what prosecutors called a rape murder. Fantasy is on his way to death row. KYW suburban bureau chief, Jim Melwert reports. It took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even. Order in her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county. Matt wine trove, you could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to graze Packer, actually, formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge gives told him. He has no soul and does not human solvent and argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Drudge Gibbons told Sullivan, no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania, Gary Hyde Nick in nineteen ninety nine after he waived his appeals in doylestown, Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio Sullivan's co-defendant in grace backers adoptive mother Sarah Packers scheduled to formally plead guilty tomorrow, she will be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. At eleven thirty two. It's traffic.

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

01:37 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"Opened the season at home with a win against Atlanta. Ten to four the Sixers word home earlier this evening, they beat Brooklyn one twenty three to one ten it's cloudy. It's cool forty nine right now. We're heading down to forty five. Good evening. I'm Frank Traynor are. Story at ten thirty one. The man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer in what prosecutors referred to as a rape murder fantasy now on his way to death row. More from our suburban bureau chief, Jim Melwert, it took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even harder. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county DA Matt wine trove could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to grades Packer, actually formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul and does not human Sullivan argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Judge Gibbons told Sullivan no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick and nine hundred ninety nine after he waived his appeals in doylestown, Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio Sullivan's co-defended and grace Packers adopted mother Sarah Packers scheduled to formally plead guilty tomorrow, she'll be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. Thirty two traffic.

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

01:50 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"Retirement savings plan. I'm David math city council wades into the controversy over a prayer offered when the state's first Muslim legislator was sworn in. I'm Pat Loeb in sports Phillies. Open their much anticipated season at home of the big ten four win over the Atlanta Braves, and the Sixers beat Brooklyn tonight. One twenty three one ten right now, mostly cloudy skies. Fifty degrees going to forty five overnight. Good evening. I'm John Valeria. Our top story at nine thirty one. The man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer in what prosecutors called a rape murder. Fantasy is on his way to death row. KYW suburban bureau chief, Jim Melwert reports. It took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county, judge, Diane. Told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even harder. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks. Kennedy. Matt wine trove, you could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to graze Packer, actually, formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul and is not human Sullivan argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adopted mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Judge Gibbons told Sullivan no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick and nine hundred ninety nine after he waived his appeals in doylestown, Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio and Sullivan's co defendant in grace Packers adoptive mother Sarah Packers scheduled to formally plead guilty tomorrow, she will be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. At nine thirty two. It's traffic.

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

01:47 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"Over a prayer offered when the state's first Muslim legislator was sworn in. I'm Pat Loeb and in sports Phillies open their much anticipated season at home with the big ten four win over the Atlanta Braves and the Sixers playing Brooklyn right now first quarter. Sixers a head twenty eight eighteen. Early mostly cloudy. Fifty five degrees. Forty five overnight. Good evening. I'm John Valeria. Our top story at seven thirty one. The man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer in what prosecutors called quote, a rape murder. Fantasy is on his way to death row. KYW's suburban bureau chief, Jim Melwert reports took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even harder. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county DA Matt wine trove, you could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to Craig's Packer, actually, formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul and is not human Sullivan at argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Drudge. Givens told Sullivan no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick in nineteen ninety nine after he waived his appeals in doylestown, Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio and Sullivan's co defended and grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packers scheduled a formerly plead guilty tomorrow. She will be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. At seven thirty two. It's traffic.

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

01:51 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"The KYW twenty four hour traffic center. I witness weather five day forecast who CBS three meteorologists met Peterson a wonderful Thursday, plenty of sunshine fours this afternoon. A high of sixty degrees if you're heading down to citizens Bank park. First pitch is three o five of the home opener and temperatures should be in that high fifty to around sixty degree range overnight tonight, mostly cloudy and comfortable Forty-five tonight for the low mostly cloudy and sixty nine to wrap the week up. Tomorrow looking pretty good even seventies on Saturday with partly cloudy skies by Sunday, though, a few showers back in the forecast as we fall back to a high of fifty three and then we'll start out early next week on Monday with sunshine and temperatures staying in the lower fifty s. Now, we have fifty five degrees at the broadcast center in spring garden. Well, the man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer in what prosecutors call rape-murder fantasy is on his way to death row. Here's KYW suburban bureau chief Melwork, it took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never easy. But this case was even harder. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county DA Matt wine trove, you could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to grades Packer, actually formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul, and is not human Sullivan had argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Judge Gibbons told Sullivan no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed. In Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick and nine hundred ninety nine after he waived his appeals in doylestown, Jim.

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"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

KYW Newsradio 1060

01:38 min | 1 year ago

"gary hyde nick" Discussed on KYW Newsradio 1060

"Bank park a man videotapes himself chasing, the two men who robbed him as they fire shots at his car hitting him once in the head. I'm Dan wing. We are liking the opening day lineup as the fills take on the Atlanta Braves at the ballpark mostly cloudy right now fifty three going to sixty good afternoon. I'm Steve how're our top story at one thirty one. The man who killed fourteen year old grace Packer, what prosecutors called the rape-murder fantasy on his way to death row. KYW suburban bureau chief it took a bucks county jury about eleven hours to make their decision that Jacob Sullivan should be given the death penalty Sullivan had no outward reaction, but the emotional toll could be seen on the faces of several jurors bucks county judge. Diane Gibbons told them death-penalty decisions are never. Easy. But this case was even harder. In her words, the butchery in this case is beyond my ability to describe bucks county DA Matt wine trove, you could not write a horror movie where the worst script than that. What was done to grades Packer, actually formally? Sentenced Sullivan judge Gibbons told him he has no soul and does not human solvent had argued. He should be spared. The death penalty in part because grace Packers adoptive mother. Sarah Packer, manipulated him into committing the crimes. Judge Gibbons told Solomon, no human being could be made to do what he did to the fourteen year old Sullivan joins one hundred forty two others on death row in Pennsylvania. The last person executed in Pennsylvania was Gary Hyde Nick and nine hundred ninety nine after he waived his appeals in doylestown, Jim Melwert, KYW NewsRadio Packer is scheduled to be formally plead guilty tomorrow, she'll be given life in prison without the possibility of parole. At one thirty two traffic.

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