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Con Artists Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Con Artists

30:28 min | 1 year ago

Con Artists Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi It's Alice there and I have some exciting news for you. Catis is now airing episodes twice a week. Thank every Friday. You'll hear con artists. Crime Bites where you'll get a brief episode on a true crime thing that's related to the stories on this show it's hosted by my good friend Greg and it's fantastic listening experience. I hope you enjoy welcome to podcast. Crime Bites we wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them him dive even deeper into the true crime world every week in addition to your normal con artists episode. We're exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across crossed the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today we're discussing cases of psychological cool manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological logical manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor Sir this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force behind criminals manipulative Tiv- actions they desire to gain absolute control over their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators used to dominate nate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim to gain sympathy and undermining a victim's perception of reality through gas lighting. So who do manipulators target. How do they select the right person to fall prey to their scheme? Dr Harry Breaker identified. The most common traits victims victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please low self reliance a desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation nation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer murderer and cope leader Charles Manson radicalized his followers and cultivated intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding while the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine. Their first victim was drug dealer. Gary Hinman Henman's murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs APPs masculine from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put a pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family. Member Eligible Bailey. So he suggested she go along to help persuade Henman but L.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring Henman's apartment instead. Charleston family members. Bruce Davis Susan Atkins is an Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer up at gunpoint. While the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless. Eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan. Atkins held Gary Hinman. Men hostage in his home. They continued to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd go to? The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist colleges but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable thinkable licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise above Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can NBA indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them and Talapity Charles Manson uses same tactics family members look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God. Charles they were proud to do it. So in Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman Mint then dipped his hand in the dying man's blood to draw on the wall. He wrote a little piggy and then painted pawprint rent. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group left taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace. Jason La in this next clip from cults we examined one of the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies. The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom them in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic extreme dependency between baker and his disciples apples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel shop points touted his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation as cult leader Baker developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Sean writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human and being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the life depends unpleasing the cult leader and quote and just as much as the source family members. Numbers needed he apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection in March of nineteen eighteen. Seventy three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother. House business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members I to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but another ways. Everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs. Constantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself himself by the Jewish name for God Yoho. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers. The pursuit of enlightenment Mintz became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years eventually author number surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles Force the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father a yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy five for some. It was a death as glorious as Baker's life but but for others it was a shocking wakeup call. They realized that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was guiding them to total enlightenment and in turn his followers had blindly obeyed his every whim but what happens when a criminal delude themselves. into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest of their victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping napping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation. Hi It's Alistair. I'm thrilled to tell you about a new podcast series. Sure to become your next obsession. It's cooled secret societies societies. 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Memorize the special password and renew your membership to the most diabolical club in town. Follow secret societies free on spotify FI. Or wherever you get your podcasts. From the violence Winston separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic of the source family criminals have relied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims but perhaps the most fascinating methods of manipulation is one. The criminal uses on themselves. Denial and self delusion solution in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped snapped in one thousand nine hundred ninety two nine year old Katie was kept in an underground bunker chained to the wall where she suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Esposito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his crimes out of the belief that he was helping being his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so Esposito convinced himself that showering her with gifts and affection would make Katie. Happy Infield loved Vanessa Zito's mind. He had rescued Katie from her neglectful family. And it was giving you the care and attention. She deserved but in reality already. He had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker to give Katie eighty food or a toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence. He was seriously harming Katie which could lead to denial psychological coping mechanism on the other hand. Win John. ESPOSITO did finally confess. He blamed his lawyers for telling him. I am not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty Catherine Ramsland Glenn. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of sexual predators. Says one of the most common types of child. Predators is the quote fixated fixated child offender fixated. Child offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away. They're abusive abusive children as showing affection. They may know their actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides their moral sensibilities. So John John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated and felt unable to stop he tried to convince himself he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seem like further rationalizations of this abuse. News he was able to convince himself that kidnapping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. The John had molested children children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives among John. ESPOSITO's victims Katie's sixteen-year-old enrolled maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie eighty beers survived for seventeen days in John s busy does bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her she used a variety of tactics to convince Esposito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let her leave grow up. Go Go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO turned himself into police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police to the hidden bunker. Freeing Katie John esposito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control but how do they gain a potential victims. Trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers will examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover Harmon. killed at least twenty four men from one thousand nine hundred eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to harmon strategic kindness so he brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink then once they're guard was completely down he savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time new confidence. Fueled Harman's bloodlust so when he met seventeen year old wilhelm. She'll TSA at Hanover station. In nineteen twenty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approached the boy by now. Harmon had practice routine for finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer searching for vulnerable honorable boys she also was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman. Harman had impersonated a police officer and pretended to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles. He offered Schulte place to stay into warm meal. She'll say eagerly accepted the offers and and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of frank just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact he had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord. A widow named Elizabeth Elizabeth Angle but Harmon had long ago explained angle that he was very particular about his cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother attendant for keeping US room tidy. Heidi besides Harmon was charming angle. Liked him his charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into his bed given his is pleasant friendly manner harmon was always able to get close to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming from police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy. According to Harman he didn't always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment in some cases harmon and kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys always but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance Harmon and pounced. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack sunk his teeth into shelters Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details Fritz harmon in six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice the sharp spike in the number of missing boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from his victim started popping up around town in rivers and fields when harmon was arrested and police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions. Extra cash at the end his thriftiness fifty nece was his downfall. Every part of Fritz Harman's interaction with victims served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to to how he killed them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate rather their manipulations populations are encouraged by their own. Delusions our final clip from female. Criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found found the one. In Lieu Louison make carried on a series of fair for the better part of nineteen eighty two. But Louis concerned by some Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention at affection. She also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her eventually. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to his wife. Diane was devastated so in May of nineteen eighty three. She devised a plan to win. Lou back back. If she made herself victim he would have to come back to her to save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night. Diane took the kids out for a drive then. She staged a violent carjacking working on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Welsh interview Diana at McKenzie Willamette. Hospital Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children in had gone to visit her friend and Mar Cola a nearby town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route. That was more scenic even though oh it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down. Old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk River. A shaggy-haired man on flagged her down making her stop the car. Diane got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys when she refused the manse and snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank. Bank to divert the gunman's attention. They struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch black out. And why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being being right. Handed is shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh the man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski mask. I she said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality. Disorder like Diane. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode. Please note L.. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research. The show thank Sammy. According to Dr Mark d griffiths patients wins with HP D. will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate their dramatic and attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought plot to save the three downs children as we further outlined in the female male criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with her children's lives on the line. Diane constructed elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however her attempts to manipulate investigators tres and her increasing desire for their attention exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered it was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to to prison for life while the criminals are clips today utilize different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims yes. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics at play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John Esposito zito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that these manipulators. I chose their victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. ESPOSITO's dictum was not only child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults. For many Harman's victims were runaways vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim Baker identity and acceptance to his followers who looked to Baker for guidance and enlightenment in the end they all achieved their goal. All of complete domination. Thanks for tuning tuning into podcast crime bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode. On mother's there's misbehaving. We often think mothers as the consummate nurturers. Why do they sometimes hurt the ones they love most even their own children? If you'd like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full simply search for our podcast original shows crimes of Passion Cults Hostage Serial Killers or female criminals on spotify. Not only spotify. Already have all your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for. Are you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or a smart speaker. Don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast or cast and twitter at podcast network. I'll see you next time. Hi podcast listeners. It's Alistair if you love Kon Artis. We'd love to hear from you. By taking a quick survey your feedback feedback will help us. Continue Making your favorite shows better than ever please visit. PODCAST survey dot me slash con to answer a few short questions wins. It may seem small but your input really matters. That's podcast survey dot me slash con. 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November 6, 1967: Bobby BeauSoleils 20th Birthday

Today in True Crime

13:18 min | 9 months ago

November 6, 1967: Bobby BeauSoleils 20th Birthday

"Today is friday november. Sixth two thousand twenty on this day in nineteen sixty seven. American musician bobby. Beausoleil celebrated his twentieth birthday. At the time he was playing alongside the likes of the grateful dead but just two years later he'd be charged with the murder of fellow artist. Gary in men welcome to today in true crime a spotify original from podcast due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen today recovering. The crimes of murderer bobby beausoleil many versions of the story have popped up over the years though will stick with the most plausible version of events. Now let's go back to the morning of november sixth nineteen sixty seven. Bobby awoke to the sound of a bass drum as he took a groggy. Look around the room. He realized the sound was coming from his own head throbbing from the party the night before he closed his eyes again and through the blanket over his head another day in the life of a rockstar. Since he'd formed the band orchestra the year before his life had been allowed colorful blur filled with screening crowds adoring fans and every drug available. The band success made it feel like day was his birthday though he supposed. Today was pretty special. Turning twenty deserved some kind of recognition. It was hard to believe that just two years ago. He was a newcomer to the san francisco music scene. He was determined to be noticed and soon enough. He'd earned the nickname cupid now. Everyone knew by the distinctive top hat. He wore around town in many ways he was the king of haight ashbury but bobby was a restless soul. Despite the success he'd found in san francisco he was already turning his gaze south toward los angeles there. He figured his music career would really take off in the months following his twentieth birthday. Like so many young artists before him bobby. Beausoleil packed up his few belongings and left the band that gave him his start soon. He was couch surfing in la about a month later. He booked a gig playing. At a roadhouse just outside town it was allowed grimy bar but they promised him a few free beers for his troubles. So bobby was happy to play. After is set. He met a singer named charlie who had gone up earlier in the night. Charlie liked bobby's sound and the two men got to talking. When bobby mentioned he was couch. Surfing charlie invited him to stay with him on spahn ranch for a while the way he pitched it charlie and his friend texts were camping out with about fifteen women enjoying the bohemian lifestyle. Bobby thought that sounded all right. He had no idea the trouble. He was walking into the first few months. We're just like charlie said a vagabond existence. Fueled by lsd and casual sex but as time wore on things changed. Charlie grew irritable. He became obsessed with exacting revenge on a record producer. Who'd refuse to sign him one night. He got violent with one of the women in the group. Bobby didn't see it happen. But he heard about it. The mood around. The ranch grew volatile. And soon things would get much worse. When bobby's twenty first birthday came around the promise of the previous year had begun to fade. His music career hadn't skyrocketed the way he'd hoped if he was honest with himself it was likely because he spent the majority of his time getting high at spahn ranch. In fact drugs were taking up the majority of his time. He'd started buying them from a fellow musician named gary hinman then selling them to his own clients for spare cash by the summer of nineteen. Sixty-nine bobby was a full time drug dealer in mid july. He bought one thousand dollars. Worth of mescaline from gerry. Then sold them to his usual clientele but this time there was a problem. A few of his customers came back to bobby complaining. The tabs were bunk. They wanted their money back. Bobby was furious. He and a few friends bed down to gary's home into panga canyon to get their one thousand dollars at first. The conversation was cordial. But when gary insisted he didn't have the money bobby snapped. He knew gary had to be lying. He'd just given him the cash. Few days ago things escalated. Suddenly gary was tied to a chair. Then charlie showed up convinced gary had upwards of twenty thousand dollars in the house he started ranting about the money pushing bobby to hit gary to threaten him to get what was owed him. His voice rang in. Bobby's ears mesmerizing him before. Anyone even really knew what had happened. Gary hinman was dead in a moment. Bobby's arrest shocks los angeles listeners. Here's a new show. I can't wait for you to check out when it comes to love. Every story is unique. 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Beausoleil time twenty years old just a few months later he moved to los angeles where he eventually became involved with the infamous manson family on july twenty fifth nineteen sixty nine. Bobby beausoleil drove to the home of gary hinman accompanied by two other members of the family. Mary brunner and susan atkins the three of them. Spent the next two days beating and torturing hinman for a measly one thousand dollars that gary genuinely did not have amidst the chaos charles manson showed up and sliced henman's ear with a samurai sword to show bobby quote how to be a man. Bobby never forgot it. It's possible that talent is. What ultimately led bobby to kill hinman july twenty seventh nineteen. Sixty-nine manson always knew exactly what to say to get others to do his bidding. In the wake of gary henman's murder manson grew worried that somehow the dots would be connected back to him and his followers in order to avoid that he tried to throw the police off is sent. He gathered his lsd riddled acolytes and told them that a race war was coming that the beatles had spoken to him about it through their song. Helter skelter it was time for the black community to rise up and overtake the white man and he charles manson was the one charged with lighting. The fuse manson hoped that by committing murders similar to the gary hinman murder and by leaving clues pointing to the black panthers he could fool investigators into chasing a false lead. Sadly we've all heard the story of what happened next. By mid august nineteen sixty nine manson and his followers had claimed the lives of eight people. Sharon tate abigail soldier steven parent j. c. Bring vojtech. Frank hausky leno and rosemary labianca and donald shorty shea. All this death was nothing more than a lame attempt to stay out of prison and sadly it would prove a waste. By late october the entire manson family had been rounded up flushed. Out of their hiding hole in death valley. Bobby was charged with the murder of gary hinman and was left to rot in a jail cell. While police collected evidence to build their case he heard that his friend susan atkins had been arrested too. But he wasn't sure what she'd been charged with on the morning of his twenty second. Birthday bobby's case took a turn. Susan had confessed to the murder of sharon tate. She said we wanted to do a crime. That would shock the world that the world would have to stand up and take notice soon. She'd give up all her compatriots and tell the world about the families heinous crimes in vivid detail lying on his cot thinking about what is life had come to. Bobby suddenly heard the sound of a bass drum. He realized it was the sound of his heart in his throat. Thanks for listening to today in true. Crime i'm vanessa. Richardson today and true. Crime is a spotify original from park. Cast you can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. 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The Manson Girls Pt. 2 - The Women of the Manson Family

Female Criminals

46:45 min | 2 years ago

The Manson Girls Pt. 2 - The Women of the Manson Family

"Due to the graphic nature of these women's crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder violence and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen. Linda CA Sabin walked down the hall to a door she had seen only once before in her hand. The wooden handle of a knife grew hot and slippery as her poems began Dan to sweat last week she had met a new friend and actor who had moved to Hollywood to make it big she had liked the man she'd happily gone back back to his apartment thrilled how well the two of them got along. She had wanted to return and now here she was although the circumstances had had changed. Charlie wanted her to get her hands dirty. All of his followers had to be a part of helter skelter together. She gripped the knife tighter heider and wrapped on the door. She heard footsteps approaching on the other side. She looked down the hallway to her family. Members Susan Atkins pins and Clem Grogan. They stared back eager. Charlie had ordered a bloodbath and Charlie Manson always always got what he wanted picture a murderer a- gangster a thief. Did you picture a woman. We didn't think so- society associates men with dangerous crimes but what happens when the perpetrator is female every Wednesday we examined the psychology motivations and atrocities of female female criminals hi I'm Sammy nine and I'm Vanessa Richardson and you're listening to female criminals apar- cast original this week near the fifty fifty year anniversary of the infamous Manson family murders on August ninth and Tenth Nineteen Sixty nine. We finish our coverage of the women who N._F._l.. into the Manson family and carried out murders in their leader's name this episode is part of podcasts summer of sixty nine event July twenty twenty-second through August ninth. 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It really does help last week we met the women who became infamous for their air part in the Manson family murders some of the most gruesome cold blooded acts of violence in American history. Those women were twenty one year enrolled Susan Atkins Nineteen Year Old Leslie Van Houten Twenty One year old Patricia Krenwinkel Twenty Year Old Linda Kosabe Ian Twenty six year old Catherine Catherine Gypsy share and twenty year old Lynette squeaky fromm e we detailed they're sorted childhoods which left these women feeling neglected unloved and susceptible to the charms of sociopath Charles Manson by July of Nineteen sixty-nine. All five of these women were deep deep within Manson's fold and considered some of his most ardent followers Leslie van Houten has since described the impassioned sermons Charles Manson gave his family to prepare them for an oncoming race war called helter skelter. He represented himself as more divine than human calling himself off the son of man he believed he was both Jesus and the devil in one person and his followers accepted it wholeheartedly. The Manson family spent the summer of Nineteen sixty-nine preparing for the race war that Charlie believed would burn Los Angeles to the ground but when it failed to to arrive he decided it was time to spark the war himself. This week will follow the chilling murders that made the Manson family notorious area once Manson realized his followers would kill for him. He made a plan to put helter skelter into motion by by the time Gary Hinman was murdered in late July of nineteen sixty nine Charles Manson or Charlie as he was known around Spahn ranch had already he plunged the families free love rhetoric in too much darker waters and largely because his followers were on a steady diet of pot l._S._d.. Masculine Mescaline and a myriad of other drugs that have since fallen out of fashion they were overly susceptible to his ranting Vanessa's Gwen to take over on the psychology here and and throughout the episode just a reminder Vanessa is neither a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy as reported by Shanna Anna Freeman and Nathan Chandler with how stuff works trace amounts of l._S._D.. Stay in a person's system for weeks after a trip and while a person will begin begin to hallucinate on just point two five micrograms of L._S._D.. The average user in the nineteen sixties took four times that amount and considering sitting the fact that the Manson family was partying on a nightly basis be l._S._D.. Had No chance of ever fully leaving their system L._S._D.. Trips can last twelve twelve hours which means they spent almost every waking moment hi Katrin Prowler a researcher on a recent study conducted at the University Hospital for for Psychiatry in Zurich explained that typically our brains constantly filter out information that it does not think we need. She says the world world around us is not the world we perceive because the Palamos filters out what it considers to be irrelevant information. We don't necessarily perceive all there is because that would be an overload of information but prowlers team hypothesized that L._S._d.. Caused the columnist to stop filtering out that the extra information l._S._D.. Causes Parts of the brain that typically have nothing to do with vision to begin contributing to what a user sees. This is what causes uses the Hallucinations L._S._D.. Users report all of this extra information provides for a very trippy experience one that filters away any sense of reality reality especially when used on a daily basis in short the Manson family literally lost touch with reality through their constant drug use making making them overly susceptible to Charlie's prophetic rantings throughout the summer of Nineteen sixty-nine. He was able to scare his followers into believing vingt helter skelter was on their doorstep. Charlie even recruited a local biker gang the straight Satans to act as his army when helter skelter broke out he recruited them the same way he got everything he wanted by pimping out his female followers and providing the gang with mountains of drugs rugs and free booze. It's hard to say whether the straight Satans actually believed they might be called upon to fight for Manson or if they just knew a free party not when they saw one in addition to recruiting straight satans men stockpiled rifles and guns and taught his followers how but he used them in one particularly chilling interview squeaky fromm e flanked by two other followers showed a journalist how to load a rifle foale. She told them she was able to shoot anyone at any time because she had no fear Charlie she said had taken all the fear so that that she didn't need to carry it. She wasn't alone in that feeling on July. Twenty seventh nineteen sixty nine Charlie ordered Bobby Beausoleil to murder for his friend and musician Gary Hinman at Henman's cabinet into Panga Kenyon at Charlie's behest bobby wrote political piggy on the wall wall of Henman's cabin in blood he also used blood to draw a pop print in the hopes of associating the murder with the Black Panthers Charlie really hoped that when news broke that the black panthers had murdered a white man in cold blood racial tension would skyrocket this would finally start the race. I swore that would burn L. A. to the ground but much to his dismay the police were slow to assume the black panthers were involved instead they took note of Henman's missing car and collected the bloody fingerprints left all over the crime scene yet as much as police didn't immediately suspect the the Black Panthers. Nobody seemed to have any leads on who committed the murders either except one person kitty loot singer a Manson family family member and Bobby Beausoleil as girlfriend. Her testimony cracked the case Wide Open In her to the ground then kicked her repeatedly the other followers watched in horror but knew not to intervene better to let Charlie take check out his aggression on someone else. Charlie finally relented when Gypsy spit out blood and left her in a heap in the dirt. He threatened in to kill any member. That tried to leave then retreated into his cabin. Charles Manson had grown wild and unpredictable the fun loving charismatic. Here's matic spirit that had drawn his thirty two followers to the ranch was gone that they realized was the part of Charlie inhabited by Jesus now they were seeing the Devil Charlie was unraveling. He knew he needed to create a distraction to throw the heat off. Bobby in the rest of the Manson crew helter skelter needed to start. 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We'll still be releasing. New female criminals knows episodes. Wherever you listen to podcasts for a free month trial go to stitcher premium dot com slash podcast and use Promo Code podcast. That's stitcher premium dot com slash podcast and use Promo Code podcast now back to the story the morning of August Eighth Nineteen sixty-nine was dry an unusually cool considering it was the height of summer. You're on Spahn ranch. The tension was building as twenty one year old. Bobby Beausoleil sat in prison for the murder of Gary Henman Charles Charles Manson. Now thirty four worried that bobby would send the police after the family as the day went on. Nobody saw Charlie the rest to the family tried to avoid him knowing he was on edge then as the sun began to set twenty four year old. Tex Watson approached a few of the girls and told them to get into the car they were headed into town on a mission for Charlie. Linda Ca Sabin Twenty Patricia Krenwinkel Twenty and Susan Atkins Twenty one followed him without question. The girls assumed they were going on a creepy crawly. When members of the family broke broke into homes late at night and committed petty theft before they left the ranch techs handed the girls speed capsules. They took the pills then set head off Linda for her part was thrilled. She didn't like stealing but she was excited. That Charlie had chosen her by name for a mission it. It was a sign of approval from a man she desperately wanted to please that need for approval was what kept. Manson's followers on the ranch even even more so than Charlie's death rates. The nineteen sixty three milgram shock experiment studied our susceptibility to authority figures. The study was originally originally conducted to determine how likely it was that Nazi war criminals were truly just following orders in the experiment participants were instructed instructed to deliver small electrical shocks to another subject at the instruction of a man in a white doctor's coat holding a clipboard in truth. The shocks were ruse. No one in the study was harmed but with each shock the subject reacted as if they were truly being electrocuted electrocuted at first the shocks were light but they became increasingly more painful causing the subject to scream in agony when the participant flippant delivering the sharks questioned whether or not to keep going the man in the white coat said please continue eventually the participants believed they were delivering lethal shocks but the man and the white coat assured them d experiment requires that you continue so they kept going back every single participant allow themselves to be pushed far beyond a reasonable breaking point before saying no sixty five percent of participants pence never stopped delivering shocks until they were told the subject was dead. Milgram wrote in his paper titled. The perils of obedience obedience stark authority was pitted against the participants strongest moral imperatives against hurting others and with the participants ears ringing bringing with the screams of the victims authority one more often than not the extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of of an authority constitutes chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation to the Manson Women Charlie was the ultimate authority and they would follow any of his commands most ardently after all they had sacrificed a great deal to be part out of this family as the car wound through the Canyon leading to Los Angeles in the early morning hours of August Ninth Nineteen nineteen sixty nine. Linda felt a growing prick of excitement. It had been weeks and she'd been selected for creepy crawly. She wanted to bring back something something special for Charlie to prove herself texts wove through Los Angeles and up into Beverly Hills. They drove past lavish homes finally pulling up in front of one. Oh Five Oh Cielo drive the home was set back from the road but they could see the warm lamplight from the living room coming through the trees techs hopped out of the car and cut the telephone line to the House with wire-cutters then he motioned for Linda Patricia and Susan to follow him. They got out of the car unsure of what they were doing at the house. Linda didn't question why I texts had a rope and a gun with him. They walked to the back of the property scale the fence and crept through the trees and bushes that filled the yard but they they stopped short at bright headlights coming up the long driveway techs motioned for the girls to get down as he stepped onto the driveway and waved down the car. When it stopped he fired four bullets through the passenger side window killing the driver. Steven Parent Linda was stunned. Texts forced her to steal the drivers wallet her hands shook as she reached into the dead man's pocket then techs told her to go to the back of the house and act as a lookout while he Susan and Patricia made their way to the front of the house when the trio reappeared in the backyard. They each brandished knives. Linda watched in horror as tex cut a long slow slit into the screen door still in shock she stayed in the backyard as the others disappeared inside in the Living Room Twenty six year old Sharon tate who was eight months pregnant was hosting a small get together with friends. Tate was a stunningly beautiful for up and coming starlet who was looking forward to becoming a first time parent with her husband. Roman Polanski around the coffee table were her friends the J. C.. Bring a famous hairdresser and tate's former boyfriend Vojtech Reich Hausky a friend of Polanski's who was staying with the couple while in town and Abigail folder heir to the folger's coffee fortune. The foursome went silent as they stared at the three young adults who had just crashed into their living room home. The intruders just stood there for a moment before text took the rope off his shoulder and ordered the foursome to huddle together in the living room he then took the rope and looped it around all four of their necks throwing the end over a beam running across the ceiling he pulled on the rope until it was taught binding the captives together tate folder see bring and Frankowski stayed silent and cooperated hoping that the three three lunatics would rob them and go away but that hope quickly faded when tex bellowed. You're all going to die. Sharon tate lead out a blood curdling scream that Linda could here in the backyard in the chaos text. Let the rope slacken and the four captives freed themselves and tried to scatter though they didn't get far Tech Shot J. C.. Bring who fell to the ground he then shot for cow mosquito twice and hit him over the head with the butt of his gun thirteen times then he turned back to the wounded see bring and stabbed him to the death. Susan Atkins meanwhile closed in on Sharon tate. She pleaded for her life but Susan showed her no mercy she stabbed Sharon Sixteen Times and briefly considered cutting the baby out of her stomach. Patricia chased Abigail Bolger around the living living-room delivering a few blows with a knife before Abigail escaped down the hallway for a house-key miraculously still alive crawled towards towards the sliding glass door and got to his feet shaking. He stumbled out into the backyard where he ran into Linda who was beside herself with terror in a later interview. Linda recalled looking into his eyes and watching the life leave them. She knew he was dying. And didn't know how to stop it. Linda and Frankowski stood there both gasping for air unable to form words until until he finally limped past her and collapsed in the yard seconds later texts came running out of the sliding glass door jumped on Frankowski ski and stabbed him again and again fifty one times in total meanwhile inside the House Abigail folder made a break for it and ran into the side yard with Patricia hot on her trail folder dizzy from blood loss tripped on her dress and fell to <unk> her knees folder screamed for her mother as Patricia climbed on top of her and stabbed her twenty eight times Linda could adhere Abigail Shrieking in Pain Patricia screaming and fury and the knife cutting into flesh over and over again it made her nauseous nauseous for a moment she thought about making a break for it running to a nearby house for help but she knew that wasn't an option the other the three would find her and kill her along with anyone else she had spoken to so for lack of a better option. Linda went to the car and waited needed inside the house. What began as a horror show? Only became more gruesome. Susan Atkins dipped a towel in Sharon's blood and wrote pig on the front door and death to pigs on the living room wall as tate lay dying the Manson family members rocked act a rope around her neck and strung her up by the ceiling beam. She died of blood loss and strangulation. Her baby died fifteen minutes. It's later finally Patricia. Susan and tax came tearing down the embankment. They piled into the car sweaty from exertion thrilled at the atrocities they just committed as they tore off their bloody clothes. Techs told Linda to drive. He was furious curious. She hadn't participated in the murders. Patricia complained that she hurt her wrist. She worried she had strained it. While stabbing through Abigail folger's bones Jones when they finally pulled back up to spawn ranch charlie came out to greet them he asked if any of them had any remorse and without hesitation Haitian each of them including Linda responded no the next morning the tate family's housekeeper walked in on the bloodbath wrath at one. Oh Oh five Oh Cielo drive she found Steven Parent shot dead in his car abigail folder and Vojtech Frank house-key ski in the Yard J._C.. Bring and Sharon Tate stabbed to death inside. It wasn't until the news broke on television that Linda Learn Sharon tate it had been pregnant. The murders reverberated throughout Los Angeles. The only obvious motive seemed to be that the Polanski's in their friends were randomly only targeted for being affluent Hollywood types. The Los Angeles elite went into panic mode. Local shelters were overwhelmed by homeowners looking to adopt ferocious guard dogs calls flooded the police stations demanding to know their plans to prevent another attack while the rest of Los Angeles grieved Charles Manson stewed he was proud that his followers had killed Sharon tate and her friends but found himself self upset with how messy job had been that afternoon he approached Linda Kosabe Ian and told her she would be driving them into town again end that night. He was going with them this time he was going to show them how to make a clean kill. A few you hours later on the night of August Tenth Nineteen Sixty Nine Linda Kosabe Ian Drove Charles Manson Patricia Krenwinkel Tex Watson <music> Susan Atkins Clem Grogan and Leslie van Houten down the long dirt road to Los Angeles. They drove through the east side to the upscale upscale Los Angeles neighborhood and pulled up in front of thirty three o one waverly Dr Linda braced herself yesterday's yesterday's nightmare was about to repeat in a moment the Manson family he makes another attempt to ignite helter skelter. They seem like a friend or even family. You trust them with your life but behind the promises of fame success and riches beyond your wildest dreams. It's just another scammer are trying to cheat you out of your life savings every week the new podcast original con artists dives into the psychology of hustlers swindlers handlers and fraudsters to share with you. The greatest cons of all time con artists come from different walks of life and we cover all of them theranos Renaud's founder and C._E._o.. Elizabeth Holmes grew her company to a value of nine billion dollars. Despite the fact that its flagship technology did not not work Jordan Belfort also known as the wolf of Wall Street partied hard and made millions while engaging in stock market manipulation and Bernie Madoff Atop Wall Street market maker who operated one of the biggest Ponzi schemes of all time conning thousands of clients out of a total of almost almost sixty five billion dollars spot the con- before it finds you listen to con artists search for and subscribe to Con Artists Artists on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash con artists to listen now and be sure to stick around after after this show to hear a clip of the first episode of Con Artists Now back to the story thirty four year old Charles Manson had a simple plan to ignite helter skelter and throw the heat off Bobby Beausoleil who sat in jail awaiting awaiting a murder trial he instructed his family to murder L. as well to do and blame the crimes on the Black Panthers until eventually there there would be riots on the streets. The country was a powder keg. It just needed a spark which is why on the night of August tenth nineteen eighteen sixty nine. He piled into the car with twenty year old Linda Kosabe Ian Nineteen Year Old Leslie Van Houten Twenty One year old Patricia Krenwinkel twenty one year old Susan Atkins Nineteen Year Old Clem Grogan and twenty four year old Tex Watson ready to kill in cold blood. They pulled up to the home of Lino and Rosemary Labianca a successful grocery store chain owner and boutique owner respectively. Everyone waited in the car while Charles hopped the fence and snuck into the house he held the Law Bianca's at knife point and tied their hands behind on their backs. Then he came back out to the car and Directed Leslie Patricia and text to take care of them as they went went inside Charlie hopped into the driver's seat and drove off with the other three accomplices inside the house. Another slaughter lauder ensued Leslie Van Houten Stabbed Rosemary Labianca Forty One Times Patricia and tax took care of Lino leaving him him with twenty six stab wounds police also found a knife and fork sticking out of his backside and the word war carved into his stomach mic after stabbing the lobby youngest to death they threw pillowcases over the victim's heads and wrapped a lamp cord around both their necks just as they had done with the rope at the tate residence the night before again they wrote in blood all over the walls death to pigs helter skelter and the word rise then instead of fleeing the scene they took their time showering and fixing a meal in the kitchen before hitchhiking back to spawn ranch. Meanwhile Manson drove west with Susan Clem and Linda he was upset that Linda hadn't killed killed anyone the night before tonight she would prove her allegiance to helter skelter. Charlie drove to the apartment building of the actor Linda had met on Venice beach. He gave her a knife and told her to slit the man's throat. Linda got out of the car and and Susan and Clem followed her into the apartment. Building Manson drove off back to spahn ranch. Linda could hear her heart beating in her ears says she climbed the staircase to her new friends apartment she didn't know what to do. She didn't want to kill anyone but she felt like she had no choice. Susan and Clem were close behind her. She could feel their bloodlust. The two of them were ready for murder. Linda wondered if they were jealous list that they wouldn't be the ones to deliver the fatal blow as she stepped into the hallway. Her hands began to shake she felt clammy and cold old time seemed to slow as she made her way to the door. She walked past her friend's apartment to the next door down and timidly she knocked an older man answered the door and stared at Linda expectantly. She swallowed hard. Her mouth. Both felt dry. She backed up and turn to Susan and clamp explaining. That's not him wrong apartment. Susan and Clem looked genuinely genuinely disappointed. The three hitchhiked back to spawn ranch. Linda quietly wondered whether Charlie would kill her in her sleep uh the next morning when the news of the law bianca murders broke L._A.. was thrown into a frenzy Manson was sure this was the beginning of helter skelter. He waited for news of riots in the streets but after a full day he was left disappointed Linda for her part art feared the consequences of leaving Venice Beach unbloodied but when Manson finally came to her he told her he had a new mission for her tomorrow she would go see Bobby Beausoleil in jail and find out what he planned to tell police Linda agreed. She knew instantly that this this was her ticket out of spawn ranch that night. She packed a bag for herself and her daughter. She didn't sleep a wink. The next morning thing she woke up early and went to the cabin where the children were kept only to discover that they had been taken down to the freshwater pool to play in the little waterfall nearby. It was then that Linden made the most difficult decision of Sure the family wouldn't hurt her child. At least she prayed that was the case she grabbed her bag and keys and told Charlie she was going to see bobby lobby. She drove off the ranch and didn't stop until she reached New Mexico. When Linda didn't return that night it became clear that she had no intention of coming back but Manson likely felt that she would keep quiet to avoid being implicated in the murders. It certainly seems as though he was unconcerned. The crimes of the Manson family continued as rapidly as ever a week league after the first set of murders on August fifteenth the Manson family heard from an old friend kitty loot singer Bobby's girlfriend she wasn't isn't getting along with her parents on their horse ranch and begged someone to come pick her up and bring her back to the family. Charlie was more than glad to bring her back into the fold especially with Bobby's arrest. He wanted his family as close as he could. Keep them the very next day. August sixteenth eighteenth spun ranch was raided by police not in connection to the murders but rather for car theft several family members were arrested including Kitty and the children on Spahn ranch were taken into state custody as a result. Linda Kosabe Ian was reunited with her daughter Tanya Nia. She returned to L._A.. To grab her daughter than immediately took her back into hiding in New Mexico. Only police knew where Linda would be staying. The Manson family was soon released from police custody on a technicality but after the close call they decided to flee spahn ranch they moved moved to death valley to a cabin called Barker Ranch Barker ranch was a rustic bare-bones cabin in the middle of nowhere belonging belonging to the grandmother of one of the family members. It should have been the perfect place to hide out but even in that remote location Manson and his family managed managed to draw attention to themselves for one thing they were broke and had to resort to petty crime to make ends meet for another they made nonsensical Pensacola drug fueled decisions that gave them away as troublemakers as one example they set fire to some equipment owned by National Park Service Rangers for no discernible reason the locals easily figured out that the wave of petty theft was connected to the cult that had moved in down the road and and reported them to police but the true nail in the coffin came in early October of nineteen sixty nine after months of pleading. Kitty finally convinced Susan to tell her why Bobby was being held by the police. Susan revealed everything about what had happened at Henman's cabin that that summer Susan looked proud as she recounted the murder even laughing at parts it was that terrifying pride that pushed kitty over the the edge on October ninth nineteen sixty nine kitty fled Barker ranch and went straight to the police over the next three days. Barker ranch was raided multiple times in connection with stolen property leading to multiple arrests. Susan Atkins was also so arrested in connection with the murder of Gary Hinman but amazingly none of the raids led police to connect the Manson family to the tate. LABIANCA murders worse instead. It was Susan Atkins that gave the family away a few weeks after her arrest. She bragged to her cellmate about killing Sharon Sharon tate. The cellmate routed atkins out without a second thought from there. The rest of the family fell like dominoes by by this point. Most of the family was already in cuffs in connection to theft and the machinery fires. The police already had all their suspects in custody. They just just needed to connect them to the murders. Thanks to fingerprints lifted from the scene. Leslie Techs and Patricia were charged with the Law Bianca and tate hate murders in addition. Susan Atkins agreed to testify against the family members as a way of avoiding the death penalty. She later recanted chanted her statement but it's still gave police the necessary ammunition to round up the remaining suspects. Clem Grogan Linda Kosabe Ian and Charles Manson himself Linda CA sapien quickly agreed to testify against the family in exchange for immunity police were happy to work with her after realizing that she had tried to stay uninvolved with the murders and fled the family as soon as she was able would follow next was nothing short of a media circus. Charles Manson proved to be a charismatic engaging villain. The country watched in horror as his story unfolded unfolded the trials began on June fifteenth nineteen seventy and continued until late March of the following year Manson was originally originally allowed to act as his own attorney although his increasingly defiant behavior quickly lost him that privilege throughout the trial he left the country spellbound as he went on rant after nonsensical rant about the police his own divinity race wars murder love fear fear and death in fact Manson proved so colorful and captivating that he upstaged the victims slowly the press press stopped calling them the tate and lobby young murders and instead referred to the crimes as the Manson family murders. The unincorporated raided family members gathered outside the courthouse every day in support of their leader. They sang songs and repeated nonsensical rhetoric. That sounded like it had come straight from Charlie's mouth reporters relayed this to Charlie asking if he'd brainwashed his followers he replied quote these children children that come at you with knives there your children you taught them. I didn't teach them. I just tried to help them stand up. Yep but in fact the speeches the followers repeated were well rehearsed squeaky fromm e visited Manson in prison every evening to get the script script for the next day then dutifully delivered it to the news reporters who all knew her by name squeaky became an overnight celebrity when Manson's shaved his head in prison. Several family members followed suit one day. He carved an ex into his forehead during the trial. It was meant to symbolize having xt himself out of society. Several of his followers did the same they told reporters they had deleted lead themselves from mainstream culture. They were completely free a word that was often associated with the hippie movement the Manson family he is widely credited with killing Hippie counterculture even though they never considered themselves hippies their drug use and flower child aesthetic was enough for the mainstream mainstream to make the connection the friction inside and outside of the courtroom each day mirrored the violent demonstrations against the Vietnam War and the Kent State shootings that took place just days before Manson's trial began. The spirit of the sixties was dead a final victim. Uh of Charles Manson on April Nineteenth Nineteen seventy-one Manson was sentenced to death Patricia texts. Susan and Leslie were all sentenced to death as well but their sentences were commuted to life in prison the next year BLENDA CA Sabin is the only person present for the murders who served no jail time she was only with the Manson family for four weeks and has spent the past past fifty years in hiding Bobby Beausoleil is still in prison for Gary Henman's murder. He has been denied parole eighteen times with with little hope of ever being released. Lynette squeaky fromm me was uninvolved in the Manson family murders but was a constant fixture outside the courthouse house during the trials. She made headlines again in nineteen seventy five for the attempted assassination of president Gerald Ford. She spent the next thirty four years in prison. After being paroled she moved to upstate New York where folks around her apartment complex say she is a model. Oh neighbor squeaky says she has a boyfriend but will always love Charles Manson who died in two thousand seventeen at the age of eighty three the Manson family murders continue to reverberate and not just because of the grotesque scenes left in their wake. They marked marked a moment in American culture. A microcosm of the political tension felt in every corner of the country. The loss of life was was senseless. The violence was unfathomable. The tightknit cult was nothing short of terrifying and yet like so many displays as of human depravity. We find ourselves unable to look away. Thanks again for tuning into our female criminals summer of sixty nine special. If you enjoyed this episode checkout par our casts continued retrospective into the summer of sixty nine from July twenty second until August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three special episodes episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of Female Criminals Criminals next week. If you're interested in learning more about the summer of sixty nine be sure to check out our new podcast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts several of you vast how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast fast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see next time. Female Criminals was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and as part of the podcast network it is produced by Max and Ron Cutler with sound design by Michael Lang Sner production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. This episode of female criminals was written by Aaron Land and Stars Sammy Ni- and Vanessa Richardson now that this episode is over. Here's a clip of our first episode of the podcast our cast original con artists. 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"Young charlie by hollywood and crime contains depictions of violence and is not suitable for everyone. Please be advised kim. Roman polanski wandered through the house touching things that should have seen familiar but now appeared as apparition features of a waking dream that wouldn't end end sunday august seventeenth nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine was the first time he'd been to the house on ceelo drives since the murders eight days earlier for a long time. He looked down at the bed. He shared with his pregnant wife. The pills were still bunched at the center. Something sharon did when he was away hugging him and spirited here it is she drifted off to sleep in the living room. A large red stains showed where she died lying on her side with nothing to comfort her. The filmmaker filmmaker could imagine the blade driving into her body again and again until there was nothing left of her in the sun inside her but ravaged flesh why he muttered as he walked around the house slowly. Why why why following the director were a writer writer and photographer from life magazine there to document his return along with them was peter her cosa self-styled psychic hired by friends of j. c. Bring on the belief that his readings might aid the police in their search for the killers he would later inform the press that three men were responsible for the carnage orange. They were friends of sharon had ingested massive doses of l._s._d. Which had turned them into frenzied homicidal maniacs. The murders took place during a black magic ceremony known as guna guna though police knew better than to take her coasts gibberish seriously the press showed little restraint they described details derived entirely from rumor in fevered speculation that the house was the site of frequent orgies and drug parties hardy's that sharon dabbled in the dark arts that polanski was somehow involved in the killings is open. Now the police have released and you can see you can go and see the orange place you have blood all over the place maybe close and until outraged at the macabre fantasies foisted on the public by an out of controlled media the director called a press conference on august nineteenth to deny the lurid allegations some present fell polanski's grief-stricken words were undermined undermined by the exclusive he just given life magazine complete with photo spread of the death house from wonder. I'm tracy patent was stephen lang today. Hollywood and crime presents young charlie. If you're joining us for the first time we recommend you go back and listen to the previous episode. We'll be waiting for you. Today's episode crazy charlie. Here's my co host. Stephen lang in february nineteen fifty three a sixteen year olds drive down a road outside beaver utah when one of them points through the windshield at something of ahead by the time. They realize it's a roadblock. It's too late hanging quick u-turn. We'll have the cops on their tail in no time. The only thing to do is pull over and hope for the best and for a moment moment seems luck is on their side turns out. The cops are looking for an adult robbery suspect not three teenage reformatory runaways but wouldn't you know it. They run a check on the plates anyway charlie side and gives that little smile of his. He knows what they're going to fine time. Since breaking out of the school for boys were widely sent me an orange rust hot wiring cars has been their preferred mode of getting around burglarizing gas stations provided the cash for what they hoped would be a trip to california at least until now looks like beaver utah is about as far as they're going to begin sitting in that car on the cold february day waiting for the cops to find what they're going to find charlie closes his eyes and relaxes into his fate during his three years in plainfield. He's learned a lifetime's worth of surviving from in the beginning. He knew he wasn't going to make it on his size or strength but he had a feel for how to play people. Do what you can for those who can help nope you do what you want to those who can't and when his way with words wasn't enough to protect him from the bigger tougher kids he'd starts screaming ming and flapping his arms and bugging his eyes crazed wounded animal most of the time it worked and the aggressor would back off when it didn't well it was just in the way of things that the week submit to the straw and if it came to rape as an often didn't places like that well you let it happened and you got yourself up and that was the end of it something that's done to you. Isn't you shake it off and move on uh when the police bring the three boys in it's not long before they learn. They're not going back to plainfield charlie's just fine with that but when they're sent back to indiana it's face charges of violating the dire act taking stolen car across state lines is a federal crime and federal time it is hard time charlie sent to the national training school for boys in washington d._c. And he won't be getting out until he turns twenty one on sunday august seventeenth the los angeles was times published an in depth article on the tate killings under the headline anatomy of a mass murderer in hollywood though little was yet known beyond the facts of who had died in how or perhaps because the lack of information only fuel the public's interest americans consumed everything they could about the grisly crime nine garnering far less interest but equally inexplicable or the murders of leno and rosemary labianca who story appeared on the same page titled old l. a. couple victims of slayer given final writes the article noted similarities with the yellow dr murders only the night before and that police lisa working on the assumption that the los feeless crime was the work of copycat killer. What readers that sunday might have easily missed was a third much smaller article that appeared beside the tate's story it details a crime of vastly different proportions police raid rant arrest twenty-six suspect aspects and auto theft bring the piece described how the twenty six were living in an abandoned western movie set on an isolated chatsworth ranch sheriff's deputies believing the group was converting stolen volkswagen's into dune buggies made the arrests in a daybreak raid saturday. A cache of weapons was also seized the owner of the ranch eight year old. George spahn was described as a nearly blind invalid who lived in a house on the property deputies said spawn new there. There were people living on his land but claimed no knowledge of their activities. He said he was afraid of them. No names of the suspects were mentioned when all twenty six were released days later due to a mistake warrant the times did not see fit to report it within three months of his incarceration in washington. D._c.'s training school for boys charlie's caseworker worker considers him an institutional politician barely literate with little or no math skills and an i._q. Only slightly above average. He shows no real interest in learning except for music. Charlie will sit still and listen in music class other than that. What charlie's good at is knowing how to tune his ways to an audience he might have few academic skills but he knows who he can dominate by force and who he needs is to charm and it isn't just the other boys. He's figuring out how to play psychiatrists. He's finding out light to put things in their own boxes a have ideas about how people get where they are. There is open just a little wider their heads tilt forward just a little closer when he talks about his mother and how no one cared a damn about poor charlie. They wanna hear what they already. Believe is what charlie figures and he's more than happy to give tim in summer nineteen fifty one one psychiatrist's report finds him an extremely sensitive boy who has not given given up on securing some kind of love and affection from the world another concludes that what charlie really needs something to build up his self confidence. He considers sending him to natural bridge honor camp in virginia. This gets charlie's attention. Natural bridge is a minimum security cured facility for the most promising youths what's more it would make early parole much more likely if promising can get him into a less restricted environment. Well charlie can be as promising as he needs to be by fall. Charlie gets his wish. His psychiatrist recommends the transfer and on october twenty fourth charlie has moved to the virginia honor camp at natural bridge early releases all but assured charlie's parole hearing is in february nineteen fifty two and all s to do till then play by the honor camps rules but sometimes nature is just nature and there's no getting around it there are those who dominate and those who get dominated and there's not much more to life than and that when he sees the boy alone and unguarded charlie acts in the moment without thinking about anything but what the kids got and what charlie what's coming up behind the boy charlie puts a razor blade to his throat and yanks down his pants. It's over in a minute and maybe it's time the kid had learned what charlie already knows. Rape is just a thing among things and no more than you make of it in your head. The school authorities feel differently. Elaine charlie's parole hearing is cancelled and he's immediately sent to the federal reformatory in petersburg virginia by the end of august teams investigating the tate and law bianca murders were on in two separate tracks the progress report on tate running thirty three pages made no reference to la bianca the sixteen page law bianca report said nothing of tate. The team was older. More experienced inclined to see the case however bizarre. It's elements as still a crime. Among crimes and murders were about sex or money since five individuals were involved including the entirely unrelated steven parent. It was hard to see how sex might have played a role. Yes it was possible. See bring and tate had reunited as lovers pointing to polanski as the perpetrator with the others eliminated as witnesses but he'd been in europe at the time and if he'd hired someone he certainly could have chosen an opportunity where needless bloodshed could have been avoided moreover polanski's dansk lie detector test indicated he'd been truthful so the likely motive was money since rumors of narcotics use at the estate abounded detective stayed with their theory that a drug deal was involved. Fry cousy was a known drug user and see bring was believed to have been having financial difficulties. Perhaps separately or in concert they had ripped off a local supplier and this was payback to serve as a lesson to others despite a lack of supporting the evidence the money revenge theory maintained its hold over the tate investigators. The law bianca team was younger more open to novel theories. They also were acquainted needed with what the report referred to as the singing group the beatles the band's recent album included the songs helter skelter piggies words which had been written in the victim's blood at the crime scene and blackbird had repeated references to arise which might relate to the rise scrawled by the front door. The connection was seen as more whimsical than substantive. It was quickly forgotten as detective search for more promising leads. Charlie doesn't last a year at the federal reformatory in petersburg virginia by august nineteen fifty two less than eight months into his incarceration. He's committed eight serious offenses at seventeen he might stand no more than five feet four but he does what it take to get what he wants with an ability to manipulate and willingness to use violence he's considered a danger to the other boys in december officials officials decide to transfer him to the maximum security facility in chillicothe e ohio even there he's considered too dangerous to be placed in the general population elation in a report written within a month of his arrival charlie has described as criminally sophisticated and grossly unsuited for an an open reformatory institution such as chilly kathy. Here's considered beyond rehabilitating. That's when everything changes his his chances for parole before his twenty first birthday all but gone charlie suddenly turns himself around he stops committing serious offenses and cooperates with officers. He takes part in the academic programs raising his reading and arithmetic skills. He's put to work repairing and maintaining vehicles in the the institutions transportation unit. No one might have predicted when he entered the facility less than two years earlier but on january first nineteen fifty four he received the meritorious service award from chile coffee on may eighth of that year having spent seven of his nineteen years in six different institutions. This charles manson is granted parole at ten ten years old. Stephen weiss had learned proper police procedure from watching dragnet on t._v. So when on september first he found a handgun half hidden under under a bush on the hilly grounds behind his home he knew how to avoid destroying any latent fingerprints gently picking the gun up by the barrel and bringing it into the house he he showed it to his father. Bernard weiss immediately phone the l._a._p._d. Within minutes officer michael watson had responded to the call apparently not aww fan of drag that officer watson took no precautions when handling the weapon he found to live around seven empty shell casings in the cylinder in the gun looked as if it had been there for a long time rusted and caked with dirt the barrel was loose and bent as if from striking something hard the right the hand grip was missing within hours the twenty two caliber high standard longhorn revolver and cartridges would be taken to the valley services division of l._a._p._d. A._p._d. And van is they would be placed in manila envelopes and filed away in the property section under found evidence and there they would remain sitting beside his grandmother and a pew at the nazarene church charlie. Let's ministers words flow around him and threw him in rhythmic waves. What god wants and doesn't want. Let's see what he doesn't want. Free yourself of pride and self women's servile men and menu lord. Give up your possessions enlighten your so the fifth angel sounded and a stall from heaven had fallen to the earth and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him sometimes when he closes closes his eyes. The syllables empty of meaning become cadence without content words are musical notes in a symphony of light and dark and he understands though it might not be the understanding is grandmother hopes to awaken him. There's the way of the fist and there is the way of the word and charlie. Charlie must learn to use them. Both it was a condition of his parole. That charlie returned to mcmechan west virginia to live with his uncle bill and an jemma the closest thing to a stable family he had but bill was not one to forget matters like charlie stealing his gun and and was less than convinced by his nephews meritorious service award might not be a bad thing for the boy to stay with his mother recently moved to nearby wheeling kathleen still had lewis and his drinking to deal with and it wasn't as if charlie got along with his stepfather any better than his uncle. She was happy to see her. Our son relieved he seemed to have turned himself around but she just wasn't in a position to offer him more than an occasional overnight. Stay it was then. Nancy stepped in still hoping to write her grandsons path. He can come stay with her most nights providing he attend church with our every sunday now feeling him beside her in the pew not wanting to glance over for fear of it being prideful. She knows it was the right decision. Not not only might have turned his heart back toward god. He'll have the chance to socialize with people his own age but but in a world of sock hops and bake sales and kids knowing each other since they were born. It's not easy for charlie fit in the kind of big talk that impressed crested fellow inmates at reformatory only makes the teenagers of mcmechan fearful of him. They might listen in their eyes. Get big when he talks about what he's stolen stolen or who is roughed up for how sneaking beers and cigarettes is nothing compared to shooting drugs but amongst themselves they decide. They want no part of him. I'm pretty soon they just pass by on the street without so much as a word or glance. Not that life on the outside is all bad. He's got himself a job aboard. Wheeling downs the local racetrack cleaning stables shoveling horse shit might not impress the sock hop of mcmechan. Charlie always liked animals he can look in a horse's is nowhere stands with people. You have to learn what works and what doesn't how to lead them this way or that he can do without that is stable boss telling them what to do when to do it. He's had enough of taking orders to last a lifetime but when it's just him and the horses that's okay check his mind gets clear and human voices grow distant fuzzy then one day he meets a man they call cowboy because of the stetson e wears and a certain way he has about him. He's a small time gambler named clarence willis and he's taken a liking to young charlie enough of all liking to introduce him to his daughter rosalie. The broken hand grip of the pistol found and at the cielo drive murder site was shown to sergeant william lee of l._a._p._d.'s firearms and explosives unit. Lee didn't need to check his manuals. He immediately immediately recognized it as belonging to a high standard twenty two caliber longhorn revolver ed lomax product manager for the company that produced the gun and hurried over to the police academy to confirm lease assessment adding that it was rather a unique revolver. Only twenty seven hundred have been produced since ends its introduction two years earlier. Lomax further accommodated police investigators beay providing a photo of the gun and a list of the stores that distributed l._a._p._d. Felt they were finally working on a significant lead they would create a flyer with a picture and description of the longhorn and send it out to police departments in gun shops throughout california and beyond some even reached remote locales and canada follow up letters were sent to any gun shop that had received achieved an order for a replacement hand grip for the weapon within weeks. The majority of guns sold in california had been eliminated and this area investigation had reached a standstill but just over the hill from los angeles. The high standard twenty two caliber longhorn discovered by young stephen weiss remained in its manila nilo envelope in a storage area. The van is division of l._a._p._d. They had never received one of the flyers nineteen. The only thing charlie knows about sex what he's learned in the dark halls and cold stalls of the reformatories where he's been incarcerated. It's about the strong and the weak like so much of life you do to others or they do to you on the outside. He watches the polite dance people his age do timid glances over milkshakes at the soda fountain hands grazing being hands at the movies as if by accident he doesn't believe it for a minute. He knows they aren't any different from him. These hulking youths with their sloppy grins wins courtship is raped by other means the boys play the big shots and the girls make like they don't notice everybody's out for something and pretending attending. They're not at least in reformatory. Everybody knew where he stood in the pecking order of want and submission their games charlie plays and game he doesn't and he isn't about to compete with farmboys for the chance at a snatch kiss of course there are the horrors over in wheeling and that's a whole world of its own. He watches them sometimes sitting in whatever car he can manage to hot wire the pimps worked like ministers of give-and-take intake telling them what they need but don't know touching their fears and then backing off finding that inner wound and pressing just hard enough before leading up these men and their slick suits and slicker ways no a hell of a lot more about how people operate than the psychiatrists he played at chillicothe. Ian plainfield charlie learns his lessons on the streets of wheeling find that spot of her and use it because she's thinking am i just this ugly thing and do people notice it. No you're not darling not by a mile. He will say i see the pretty inside you and maybe he's not much to look at. Maybe even a runt of a man but he can look inside them and not just what they need. He'll tell them they're pretty when no one else will that they're special special even if they don't know it yet that he's the one who can find what's best in them. Get a girl to believe that and she'll do anything for you. No one knows what charlie tells rosalie willis but before long the good people of meccan are turning their heads as the two of them walk down the street street hand in hand this nice local girl and the boy who bragged about shooting up. It's cowboy clarence willis who introduces charlie to the youngest gustavus three daughters and soon enough. They've set the date. Clucking around town supposes they have to but if there's a baby it's news to the couple in on january. Seventeenth nineteen fifty-five charlie is back in the nasreen church. Nancy watches. She's with pride is your grandson takes his young brides hand to start life anew it's more than she might have hoped for but god knows how to surprise even the worst center clarence clarence willis gives consent to his fifteen year old daughter even though she claims to be seventeen on the marriage license he liked charlie the minute. He laid eyes on him. Nancy holds the reception at her house but her daughter isn't there. Kathleen has left lewis again and moved to california. No one knows if charlie misses his mother right now. He's enjoying his wedding cakes planning his future. As a married man. Everyone has cameras and reporters. Search chief of police of the city of los angeles trees on september third. The los angeles times reported that after interviewing more than three hundred persons detectives are still without a prime suspect in tate murder case l._a._p._d.'s chief of detectives robert houten further admitted that the longer the investigation continues the harder. It may be you to solve the crime days earlier l. A.'s new police chief at davis held a press conference answering no comment most reporters questions. There were however a few tidbits of new information. It was revealed that the weapons the cutting weapon and a firearm had not been found that the killer or killers. I did not appear to have been wounded and that narcotics were found in more than one part of the estate detective out and said that personally he doubted one man could committed the crime at his press conference chief. Davis told reporters that his men were doing as good a job as can humanly be done. Unfortunately the murderer or or murderers did not leave calling cards. The times article made no mention of the lobby onto killings in the first time he picks up a guitar. Charlie can field a new world opening up to him. The smooth would of the neck the curves of its body like a woman shape most of all the electric tingled passing a newest fingertips from the strings every time he strums a vibration gratien connecting him to some universal force that goes past thinking and straight to the animal so this power there he can sense sitting in the little room room he and rowsley of rented the power to change him and the power to change the world. Wherever looks now young people seem to know something. Their parents don't don't music wakes you up and freeze you. He listens to frankie laine on the radio. In the words feel more real than talking answer me creams frankie thank you and it's like he's asking the sky and stars charlie teaches himself some chords and when he opens his mouth to imitate frankie his voice surprises him like it's not really coming from him but tapping into the same forces frankie's a force that connects everything to everything he has things to say he feels for the first time in his life and there are people who will listen music is different from earthly the comings and goings of men like the words of the nazarene minister becoming more than just words he remembers feeling even when he was sitting at andt glenis piano yeah no little legs dangling off the bench tiny fingers pressing on those keys in him closing his eyes and these sounds wafting up toward the heaven that grandmother nancy see believed was reading and he had no opinion about facing murder charges in the death of music teacher. Gary hinman bobby beausoleil received his trial date on september fourth bobby had been in jail for about a month since the fiat station wagon he'd been driving had had broken down outside san luis obispo to highway patrolman had pulled up and when they checked the license plates they discovered the car was registered to the tha panga enga canyon murder victim. A quick examination of the fiat turned up a bloody knife hidden in the wheel. Well bobby was arrested and the l._a. County sheriff's department was notified. Detectives hall whiteley and charles guenther working on the hinman investigation drove up to interview the prisoner bobbie told them he'd recently purchased the car from a black guy when the detectives informed him that his fingerprints matched a bloody thumbprint found at the scene of the crime crime. He changed his story. Now he claimed that hinman had signed over the car to two girls he knew whiteley and gunther had beau soleil brought back to the l. a. county jail and booked for the murder of gary hinman. His trial date was set for november twelfth. As bobby sat in jail detectives whiteley leeann gunther were looking for his pregnant girlfriend kitty loot singer. A possible witness to the crime but kitty was nowhere to be found. Los angeles is something you feel long before you see it like tentacles of some biblical michael beast it's roads and freeways reach into the desert the mountains all the way to the seat however might have imagined it back in tiny mcmechan l._a. <unk> overpowering in its speed and complexity rosalie sits in the passenger seat looking out with wide eyes. Charlie doesn't say a word from miles. Lets the motion shen of the cars of fury of color and light wash over him by the time they arrive at kathleen's modest apartment. Charlie knows that los dangelo says the home. He never knew. He missed till he got here. It isn't that he didn't give it a try and mcmechan. He kept his job at wheeling downs taking <music> artwork where he could find it. There was even this tug he could feel pulling toward a conventional life. He felt something prideful in the way he was looked at. Maybe even respected in that way that you're respected just for not standing out but by spring nineteen fifty five rosalie was pregnant and with doctor the bills adding to the burden of his small family charlie began supplementing his income by stealing cars just across the river and ohio. You do what you do for family family. When some rolled around charlie was more than ready for a change from mcmechan he piled rosalie into a stolen fifty three mercury and they headed in west to visit kathleen they were going to california. Kathleen is glad to see charlie and his pregnant bribed happy to let the young couples stay with her with louis not around to get between her and her son. Things are all right. Charlie seems alive in los angeles driving the streets taking it all dan there is little about l._a. That doesn't surprise startled. He tools around in that mercury and let's the city fill him like a meal. He can't get up from he understands now what people mean when they talk about destiny something beyond the here and now it's not so much that charlie doesn't think about the future it's more than it never occurred to him that he had one now. He feels the pull up the future l._a. Is the destiny he never new. He had a month after the death of his wife. Roman polanski and several of his friends decided it was time to play a more active role in the investigation on september tenth. They took out large ads in los angeles area newspapers offering a twenty five thousand dollar reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer or killers hollywood stalwarts including peter sellars lurs warren beatty and you'll brenner contributed to the effort with sellers making the announcement rather than the desire to fact the ad only created further problems for police lisa investigating the crimes within days tips were pouring in from around the city overwhelming detectives and potentially obscuring legitimate information that might have come. I'm in theories abounded from a mafia hit too bizarre drug fueled sex practices gone awry hollywood players and peripheral seemed seemed eager to turn on each other providing accusatory information on whomever they refuting with that week beyond the muddying effect of this deluge. The implication of the polanski ad was not lost on l._a._p._d. Investigators they were not doing their job. Oh it's not until september that charlie is once again reminded that destiny is something thing that controls you. If you don't control it is driving through pasadena when he's pulled over by an l. A. policemen who notices the out of state plates a quick check reveals the cars stolen charlie throws himself on the mercy of the court blaming his poor mental state on years of incarceration he even admits to stealing another car back in ohio and unloading it in florida another violation of the dire act but he's got a wife now with the kid on the way maybe he hasn't been the best citizen but how would prison help back the judge orders a psychiatric evaluation and dr edwin mcneill mcneill concludes that with the incentive of a wife and fatherhood. It's possible he might be able to straighten himself out. The judge sentences charleena the five years probation. He's still got the dire act charges to deal with and he's ordered to be back in court in february nineteen fifty six although it's unlikely unlikely to do more than a few years to his probation charlie and rosalie flee to indianapolis on march tense rosalie gives birth to charles manson junior a week later charlie's arrested and brought back to los angeles his probation is revoked and for the first first time he's sentenced doesn't adult charlie is given three years at the terminal island penitentiary at san pedro in the port of los angeles <music> some six weeks after the murders. Los angeles was a changed place. The universe of the hollywood establishment turned upside down. Frank sinatra was in hiding rosemary's baby star. Mia farrow was convinced that she would be next. Steve mcqueen drove around town with a gun under the seat of his car. Tony bennett left his beverly hills hotel bungalow for an apartment in the <unk> hotels safer interior jerry lewis home was equipped with a security system replete with video monitoring esquire would report that in the great houses of bel air terrorists ends people flying to their telephones when a branch falls from a tree outside. Yes weep deep famine that september nineteen l._a. County coroner thomas noguchi called a press conference that did little to assuage resident's fears. He was now convinced that two possibly three killers had been responsible for the slaughter at cielo drive elements of the crime suggested the severe psychopathy of at least one of the killers it was possible drugs had played a role there was little in his report that was unexpected or comforting and and little hint that the l._a._p._d. 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"Young charlie by hollywood and crime contains depictions of violence and is not suitable for everyone. Please be advised on november seventeenth nineteen sixty nine. Ronnie howard was waiting for a bus outside sybil brand detention center in downtown l._a. She was due to to appear in a santa monica court on a forgery charge deciding. She couldn't live with herself. If more people were killed by susan atkins or her friends ronnie they had confided to a deputy that her cellmate was responsible for the tate and law bianca murderers. The deputy passed the information onto her superior who didn't and seem interested when ronnie asked again. The deputy told her to just forget about it. Ronnie pleaded with the woman to call the l. a. p. d. herself or more people would die. The deputy had informed her that making a call on behalf of an inmate was against the rules now as she waited for the bus that would take her to santa monica. Ronnie howard got in line with the other women inmates hoping to use the payphone afraid she wouldn't get to the head of the line before the bus arrive. She paid the two girls in front of her fifty cents to cut ahead when she got the l. a. p. d. on the line a homicide officer said he sent a car over to pick her up immediately. Just then the transport bus arrived ronnie told the officer she'd be in court all day and he should send someone on there. Then she hung up the phone she had forgotten to tell the officer which court getting in shape isn't just about losing weight. It's about learning healthier habits and feeling better. We're about yourself whether that's more stamina to keep up with your busy life or being more in tune with your body's needs. 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M. dot com slash l. a. crime one more time noon dot com slash l. a. crime to start your trial today from from wandering. I'm tracy patent with stephen lang today. Hollywood crime presents young charlie. If you're joining us for the first time we recommend you go back and listen to the previous. Episodes will be waiting for you. Today's episode slip. Here's my co host stephen lang. Everything is contained within charlie's philosophy. It's a circle that completes completes itself because he is. It's beginning and its end when he is gentle. The lesson is love and when he yanks on pats hair or gives mary a smack smack. It's obedience. They are lucky to have found him. Amid there aimless wanderings because above all charlie provides them with direction when when mary quits her job they survive the scrounging techniques they learn from the diggers in haight ashbury or they find wayward hippies willing to share their parents credit cards but san francisco summer of love is quickly descending into chaos with the influx of young people needing to be housed and fed by late nineteen sixty seven seven drug overdoses are increasingly common and clinics fight to contain outbreaks of infectious disease peace and love have devolved into drug wars wars and competing glue rooms charlie decides. It's time to start planning for his triumphal return to l._a. And the launch of his musical career in order to make the proper impression he needs an entourage worthy of his talents he has had no luck bringing men into the fold and they would be needed for muscle and technical no no how his plan to use his women as bait as not panned out to plane girls and a skinny redhead our little enticement in a world where sex he's had with a nod and smile all that changes when he meets a former topless dancer named susan atkins. It's at a small party in the hate and charlie is the center of attention strumming his guitar crooning improvised tunes in his quavering voice she locks onto him with laser focus radiating raw sexuality and a willingness to do anything they have sex that night and he whispers in her ear to think of him as her father author she is amazed at how he can spot the broken parts of her and repair them with a word or touch before the night is over. She knows she she will follow him into hell. If he asks her think of me as your father your lover the alpha and omega of all that is an all that will will be on the same day that ronnie howard made her call to the l._a._p._d. Detectives working the law bianca case were interviewing straight satan biker danny decarlo in addition to identifying a photo of the likely murder weapon. Danny recalled a night light in august. When several family members had bragged about killing five piggies the biker provided another helpful detail he had scene three strand nylon cord at the ranch the same kind that had been hide around the necks of sharon tate and j. c. bring while danny was being question question. Another team had tracked down ronnie howard at sybil brand. They were impressed enough by her testimony to have her immediately removed from the cell. She shared with susan. Susan atkins crazy sadie had provided her cellmate with the detail. Only the killer would know the bloody words scribbled at the law bianca bianca home. When the different teams compared notes there were several discrepancies danny decarlo had maintained that no women had gone along on the murder murder spree while susan had claimed that she and two other girls a katie and linda were at yellow dr atkins had also talked about outstanding gary hinman though bobby beausoleil had boasted to decarlo that he had killed the music teacher the details of who had been at which murder seeing we're still fuzzy but detectives now felt confident. They knew the identity of the killers and at least one other matter was cleared up decarlo told investigators. There was another charles in the family. The detectives had heard of a charles montgomery from kitty loot singer and asked if that might that'd be his last name. Danny said it didn't sound familiar but everyone knew the guy s tax by late nineteen sixty seven mary's overjoyed learn she's pregnant. She may never be able to contain charlie spirit that you will always have this part of him. Charlie tells that babies are the only creatures that pure and and in the new world he has said about creating children will be raised to be the free beings are meant to be with their growing family. They trade the v._w. In for an old school who'll bus and paint hollywood production on the side the street corners and dive clubs of behavior might be a place to hone your craft but if you're we're going to be bigger than the beatles san francisco doesn't cut it band after band is realized this big brother and the holding company the jefferson jefferson airplane even the grateful dead charlie knows his destiny lies four hundred miles to the south and that beckoning oasis between desert and and see armed with the name of a producer universal given to him by a fellow inmate charlie piles his expanding family into the school bus <hes> and departs for l._a. Within days they find lodging at the spiral staircase a sprawling house into panga canyon zone makes it available volta l._a. Hippies and hopeful musicians charlie spends his days playing guitar and spouting philosophy with constantly shifting population of houseguests before meeting one with whom he feels an instant kinship bobby bozo land is everything charlie is not young handsome able to attract attract women with barely a word and he's an excellent musician having taught himself guitar as a boy even singing backup for french apple. Charlie immediately only sees him as an asset perhaps even a musical collaborator and with his looks good beaujolais might be able to lure more women into the group. Bobby makes makes it clear. He's not a joiner but the two agreed to stay in touch before taking off with his latest fling bobby introduces charlie to a friend who lives nearby you buy into panga gary. Hinman is a music teacher who deals drugs on the side and is always generous letting people crash at his place <music> vincent bouillaud see was unimpressed the first time i'm he laid eyes on charles manson the leader of the cult known as the family and purported second coming of christ was just over five feet tall slender and slightly stooped he was barely visible past the bodies of the five detectives escorting him from the inyo county jail to court for his arraignment on the arson. Jason charge bearded long-haired dressed head to toe and buckskins. He seemed little discomfited by the handcuffs. When the young deputy wtma district attorney had been assigned prosecution of the tate homicides on november eighteen the police were confident. They knew who the killers were. Susan in atkins had confessed to ronnie howard in virginia graham her cellmates at civil brand she had implicated herself in the murders of sharon tate and her friends as well as the law bianca's and musician gary hinman. They knew that charles was involved almost certainly cult leader manson still in residence at the inyo county jail on the arson theft charges so bully o._c. Had driven out to independence to interview family members lynette squeaky frahm and and sandra good neither admitted any knowledge of the tate labianca or hinman murders spouting little beyond platitudes about love and karma and the incomprehensibility of time bul. Yosi came away with the disturbing impression that he was getting robotic responses. There was a vacancy behind there is they appeared programmed down to their beatific smiles whenever they referred to charlie but bouillaud see also suspected that fear might be a component of their performance confined in the small jail at independence anything they said would likely be passed passed onto other family members the decision was made to transfer five of the girl civil brand and isolate them from each other and from susan atkins in one of the transferees was a slender attractive young woman who had been booked under the name leslie sangsthan so nothing in charlie's first audition indicates his musical gifts will propel him. I'm to superstar status beyond that of the beatles he shows up at universal and proudly escorts producer gary stromberg around his school bus. We fitted it into a living quarters of sorts. The four girls mary lynette pat and susan are there to ply the executive with donuts and hints of sexual availability. Ability stromberg is intrigued by the diminutive musician sway over his little entourage and the women hang on his every syllable eagerly awaiting his next command but when they get into the recording studio. It's clear charlie's out of his element. He seems put off by the technology. Unable to communicate katie's needs to the engineers or respond to their directives and yet stromberg thinks there might be something in charlie's choose he's raw and far from producible lucido album but the world of music is in flux and you never know who might turn out to be the next female. He recommends that charlie keep working on his material curiel and maybe return at later dates. Charlie is not disheartened by the experience but more convinced than ever he needs to follow his own the path they will be someone out there who will understand what he's trying to do and allow him the freedom to do what charlie needs is a benefactor <music> trying to drink more water liquid. 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There were pointers tacit admission in what she had to say when asked if she'd heard anything about the tate eight murders she joked that she was deaf and couldn't hear anything but at a later point she would say she had a pretty good idea what had gone on cielo drive when sergeant mcgann suggested charlie was one of five killers at the tate residence leslie corrected him claiming she had heard only four people people were there and charlie wasn't one of them. She had also heard that there were probably more girls than men and one of the girls hadn't killed anyone one. When mcgann asked who the girl was lessee set her name was linda though she didn't know the last name this confirmed what detectives had learned from ronnie howard about a linda who had been present at dr but not the law bianca residents mcgann then showed leslie the mugshots taken at the barker ranch raid raid she identified katie who had been booked under the name mardi reefs and released a few days later the same katie had been arrested back in august at the rate on spahn ranch and giving her name as mary sue scott most significantly leslie confirmed that three girls had gone to the tate residence on the night of august ninth sadie katie and linda by the spring of nineteen sixty eight charlie made more headway and building a cult than a music career. We're constantly in flux with new additions or dropouts. His group of followers has grown to around twenty having moved on from the spiral staircase. He crashes in several of the houses that dot the wooded hills of panga canyon making occasional trips into the stark reaches of the mojave desert by now now he has perfected his technique finding potential converts spotting their fragilities an overwhelming them with his vision of a world in which they would emerge whole and fulfilled all they have to do is let go of their egos fourteen year old diane lake already living on wavy gravy hog farm commune joins charlie with her parents blessing ruth ann morehouse rejoins him after a brief marriage to escape or parents control sandy good another a child of a broken home meets charlie on a trip to l. A. and immediately gives herself over to him in hopes of finding true family and paul watkins. It's a good looking and engaging eighteen year old dropout proves himself a valuable asset attracting more young women of great importance in determining suitability ability to join the group is the girls compliance and allowing charlie complete control over their sexual lives those unwilling to submit to any sexual act with anyone anyone at any time charlie commanded are deemed unlikely to let go of the worldly attachments anchoring them to their prior lives. Lose your ego to gain your true identity under give a name is only another attachment to your pass. Charleen struck stem renaming susan atkins sadie mae glutz the others quickly followed suit as mary brunner becomes mother mary diane lake become snake and ruth and more houses renamed wish pat krenwinkel likes kate. She sometimes uses marnie reams for food. The group goes on scavenging expeditions to local supermarkets searching in dumpsters for still edible produce meat. Sometimes the girls panhandle or ask for donations for made up causes one afternoon in late may pat and one of the newest girls nicknamed yeller are hitchhiking on sunset boulevard car pulls over to pick them up. The driver invites him to his house for cookies season milk before driving them home. The girls are impressed with the guys place a mansion built to resemble a log cabin and when they tell charlie surprised by the strength of his reaction but for charlie this is exactly the turning point. He's been waiting for if ever there is a moment moment. He knows that fate is reaching out to him. This is not the old faith that shunned him at every turn broke his dreams tried to bend him into its will but his reimagined fate the one that bent to his he reveals his moment's hesitation gap like christ ice before him. The flesh is weak. Didn't jesus himself ask that his burden be lifted moments from golgotha but there can be no more doubt no more more hesitation. When you discover that you can will your own fate. The gravest sin is to stray from the path he has come to l._a. In search of a patron trim and his girls have stumbled upon a beach boy greg jacobsen had been impressed by charlie manson though his musical gifts might still have been raw. He was a charismatic figure with his own brand of philosophy. The lyrics to his often spontaneously improvise songs were original even compelling. The police were interested in talking to the talent scout because he had been the one to introduce manson to record producer terry melcher who owned the cielo drive property when l._a._p._d. Sergeant didn't frank patchett asked jacobsen if he knew a family member named charles tex montgomery jacobson nodded but texas last name wasn't montgomery gumri. It was watson on november thirtieth deputy d._a. Julio c ran a check and discovered that charles denton watson had been arrested in van is on a drug charge on april twenty third when watson's fingerprints taken at the time of booking matched one of the layton's found at the tate residents. It was the first piece of physical evidence tying a manson family member to the murders. Teams of detectives were sent out to watsons former addresses addresses with no luck but when they checked his hometown of mckinney texas sheriff. Tom montgomery told them watson was living in a small apartment downtown. In fact the sheriff was well acquainted with charles watson. They were second cousins montgomery. Being a family named tex sometimes used rather than sending officers to pick up the murder suspect sheriff montgomery called texas uncle maurice who picked up his nephew and delivered him to the local jail loser that same sunday sergeant patchett interview terry melcher who confirmed greg jacobsen's account both men had met charlie manson the previous summer at the home of beach boys drummer dennis wilson one night charlie had come along for the ride when wilson drove melcher back to his house though he hadn't gotten martin out of the car manson had at least on one occasion ben to ten thousand fifty cielo drive dennis wilson notices the lights on on in his sunset boulevard home he pulls into the driveway after a long night session at the recording studio considering the constant flow of houseguests at the log cabin mansions mansions renting. There's nothing alarming. This is far more disconcerted however when the back door swings open and small scrappy figure emerges gesticulating being flamboyantly as if welcoming long-awaited visitor concern yields confusion as the man suddenly falls to his knees and starts kissing denison speak then charlie rises with a grin ushering dennis into his own home as if it seems the guest and charlie the host loud music zik in the wafting smell of smoke greek the beach boys drummer as he walked into a party in full blossom pat yeller come over to formally introduce charlie to their unwitting benefactor who relaxes into the flow of the evening never one to turn down sex or drugs dennis grabs a joint watches the topless girls gyrate to the teens blaring from hysteria pretty soon. He's romping in bed with one or two of the girls. Pennock turns into a fine right indeed and in the morning dennis fines half dressed young people wandering his halls and rooms uh-huh helping themselves to breakfast or using his shower. Charlie turns out to be a pretty interesting guy with his philosophy of freedom from earthly attachments us especially family considering dennis's frequent rows with brother brian and other bandmates. It's a welcome message. Charlie isn't shy i about describing himself as a singer songwriter in search of a recording contract well if his music is anywhere near as good as as wrap this just might be denis's mrs chance at a creative reverse ever since the beatles toppled the beach boys on the record charts. The brothers have been feuding. Could charlie provide a way out of of dennis's musical doldrums by the end of the morning. Dennis begins to consider the possibility that picking up those two hitchhikers might just be the best thing what's happened to him in a long time. Yes he will try to help. Charlie and maybe charley can help him. Dennis decides to make a call greg. Jacobsen is exactly the guy who could get charlie on track. Uh deputy district attorney bouillaud see felt confident that three of the tate labianca killer's were behind bars though none had as yet been formally charged charged in those crimes to other female suspects were still at large linda whose name detectives had learned was kosabe. Ian was rumored to be living in a commune in new mexico and marnie reeves aka. Mary sue scott aka katie was believed to be on a farm outside mobile alabama on sunday november thirtieth attorney richard cobb. A euro who was representing susan atkins in the gary. Hinman murder trial paid eight the prosecutor of visit. He wanted to know what kind of deal might be in the offing for his client. In the tate and law bianca cases julio c told him that if susan susan agreed to be a witness for the prosecution they would let her plead guilty to second degree murder she would receive a life sentence but avoid the death penalty cub. A euro eero took that offer to his client but susan wavered he presented her with the evidence the state had turned over and discovery advise that she would likely be convicted and sentenced. It's to death. Susan said she might be willing to testify before a grand jury but not at trial against manson and other family members it appeared appeared. She had not lost faith in the man claiming to be the second coming of christ at first talent scout greg jacobsen seems more taken with charlie's female adherents than with his music charlie picks up on and make sure ruth and more houses available anytime greg comes around dennis wilson has lost none of us enthusiasm for his defacto facto house guest and potential musical collaborator. He brings charlie into audition for brother records. The companies formed with the beach boys to discover new talent <music>. Charlie's is not the kind of talent that might impress the team who are as irritated by his attitude odor as they are by his lack of discipline and professionalism. Nobody other than dennis sees anything commercially viable in this unkempt minstrel or his rather primitive tunes dennis. Mike continued to tout his new proteges gifts. As poet philosopher the wizard who is both god and the devil the other beach boys hope dennis will soon lose interest greg jacobsen also see something and charlie though it isn't exactly what charlie has hoped yes there might be some musical ability there to be cultivated by the ripe looser but what impresses greg most about charlie is the new societies constructing in the desert outside l._a. When new recruits sandy good discovered discover the spahn ranch it seems an ideal location for charlie's growing congregation and they began the process of relocating used as a western set that for t._v. Shows like bonanza. Gunsmoke spun was close enough to civilization to provide supplies but isolated enough to clear voices that might conflict flicked charles jacobson this tiny band of nomads leaving freely and spontaneously in the shadow of mercantil excess seems the fulfillment l. filament of a culture intent on redefining itself he approaches his friend record producer terry melcher with the idea of funding documentary three about charlie and his disciples whom he now refers to as the family the movie never goes beyond a few canisters of film shot at the ranch but the name sticks for jacobson and melcher and dennis wilson charlie's desert tried has become the family on december first sheriff. Tom montgomery of mckinney texas told the los angeles d._a.'s office that unless he received an arrest warrant within two <music> hours he would set his cousin tex watson free vincent bouillaud see hurry down to file official charges against watson in the tate murders before before the deadline expired by now it had been learned that joseph krenwinkel had secured the release of marnie reeves following her arrest at the rate on spahn ranch back in august marnie reeves aka mary sue scott aka katie turned out to be patricia krenwinkel of inglewood california. Yeah joseph cooperated with police telling them. His daughter was staying with her aunt in mobile alabama within hours mobile authorities were at the ants door for but we're told patricia wasn't home as the two officers drove away. They noticed a girl in another car quickly. Pull her hat down to hide her face. The car was stopped and patricia. Krenwinkel was arrested for the california homicides by early afternoon december. I the only suspects suspects still at large was linda sapien the following day qossaibi and turned herself into authorities in concord new hampshire. She admitted she'd been present at the tate eight home and had witnessed the murders but claimed she hadn't participated in them. She waive extradition and was flown back to los angeles by the evening evening of december third. Authorities were confident that the five individuals responsible for the tate and law bianca killings were all behind bars. It all seems to be coming together. Charlie the fadi once cursed for its cruelties not has been as benefactor. He now realizes toughening for the road to jerusalem. It's the fool who count his blessings and gives thanks. The wiseman counts his hardships in the knowledge that it's the wounds and obstacles that four german so without prison would never have encountered the pimps and hustlers who gave him the tools to gather his lost tribe without the pain and isolation of his childhood he would never have gained insight on how to transcend both every fall. All step is a lesson every slight a blessed by late nineteen sixty eight charlie splitting time between dennis wilson's log cabin mansion attention and the spahn ranch. He's got squeaky. Attending to old george spawns needs and he's free together as troop of lost children for l._s._d. Fueled fueled blessings on what life will be like in the coming age of charlie and it isn't only these wayward travelers who sense the greatness in him when neil young comes by the log cabin one afternoon. The two of them have an impromptu jam session in young walks away impressed. Charlie has an amazing amazing ability to generate lyric. Spontaneously young later tells a warner brothers producer. Though nothing comes of it denison greg jacobsen keep working on terry melcher to let charlie audition terry like greg before him seems more interested in ruth and more house than in the performer destined to be a bigger than the beatles but greg has come through for charlie looking him session in a van nuys recording studio charlie walks away with some tapes to to pass around to anyone willing to listen dennis thinks charlie's original tune ceased to exist something he can work with the prospect of being of beach boy collaborator peaks charlie sense of hope and expectation. It's not solo career. He's imagine but it's a step in that direction. Attorney richard kobe era had cut a good deal for his client. If susan atkins pins agree to testify before the grand jury the government would not seek the death penalty nor would her testimony used against her any co defendants at trial kobe euro had recorded. Her confession played it for bouillaud see and several of the detectives on the tape. Susan described the two night murder spree with the same aimed. Casualness asked for ice cream with her dinner for the first time investigators learned that manson had not gone to see yellow drive but had sent susan tex watson patricia krenwinkel and linda casse abyan. Susan admitted to stabbing vojtech for cow sqi but claimed it wasn't wasn't self defense. When it came to sharon tate her story had changed from what she told cellmates howard in virginia graham now it was tex ex- watson who'd stab the pregnant sharon while susan held her the following night manson accompanied them as they drove around looking for a suitable target this this time family members leslie van houten and steve grogan came along with kosabe behind the wheel after looking at several potential murder sites. They found themselves himselves at the law bianca residents. The only connection seemed to be next door neighbor. They had met on one or two occasions drug parties. Charlie gained entry to the house and tied the couple up then he returned to the car and told watson krenwinkel and van houten to go inside and kill them and that was it in a two hour tape sadie mae glutz detailed the murderous events of those two nights in her high pitched little girl's voice giggling as she described sharon tate's last moments sharon went through quite a few changes. She laughed quite a few changes so it isn't a greg jacobsen jacobson fails to see the darker side of charlie beyond the fuzzy talk of spiritual awakening and losing one's ego charlie drops hints of the racial chill and political strife. He believes about to engulf america. There are forces loose in the cities and towns that are alien to the peace and love that so enraptured the post post world war two generation charlie disdains the middle class origins of these kids and recoils at the label allowed to be attached to them through popular culture. His people are not hippie. He says but slippy sub population of young people who've slipped through the cracks on wanted and unwashed unwashed foreigners in their own homes as far removed from their peace nick brethren as dark his from he has no use for generation of slumming posers able to return to their comfortable lives whenever they choose they tacitly accept society's values even as they flout them their indulgence indulgence and free sex and drugs is much shock their parents as out of a real understanding that freedom means to give up everything to die that you may live. Isn't that what the bible teaches. Jacobson isn't put off by. Charlie's rance doesn't take them all that seriously in the next instant charlie will slip back into his crooner crooner masking belt out an impromptu tune. You never knew which charlie you're going to get but he always held your interest around those. He feels the need to impress. Charlie can be anything you want him to be on the witness stand before the grand jury susan atkins described the activity known to the family as creepy crawling members would dress in dark clothes and sneak into random houses in the dead of night taking care not to wake the occupants they would move silently through the house sometimes rearranging changing things so in the morning the people would know they're space had been invaded then deputy district attorney vincent bugliosi asked about the night of august ninth. Susan said that charlie had instructed her and the other women to each bring a knife in a change of clothing and do whatever tex watson told them to once in the car tax said they were going to a house that had once belonged to terry melcher they were to take any money they could find and kill who ever was in the house when they got to ten thousand fifty yellow dr techs shimmied up a coal and cut the phone lines then they parked down the street and walked back up the hill concern the gate might have an alarm. They scurried up an inclined to access the property as they started toward the house. A car came down the driveway toward them. Text ordered the driver to stop susan heard four shots and when they passed the car she could see the thing slumped across the front seat. The grand jury caught their breath is bullying o._c. Asked for clarification. When you say thing you are referring to a human being yes said susan atkins a human being. She went on to tell the jurors that linda kosabe remained outside as tex entered the house through an unlocked mocked window then opened the front door for susan and pat krenwinkel vojtech for kaczynski was sleeping on the couch. He opened his eyes as they approached. It seemed to think they were more of sharon's friends until tex pointed the gun at him. Vojtech asked who he was. I'm the devil said tex watson then and i'm here to do the devil's work next next time on young charlie coming down fast. Charlie is convinced that the beatles are speaking to him directly through their lyrics guiding in his every move following the murder of panga canyon music teacher gary hinman charlie decides to initiate helter skelter on friday night august eighth nineteen sixty-nine he sends tex watson and three of the family women to a house on yellow drive in the hollywood hills he leans into the car window and tells them to do something this is hollywood and crime from wondering subscribe to hollywood and crime on apple podcasts tune in stitcher or your favorite podcast app to find out more information formation read our episode notes and contact us if you have any questions or comments if you like what you've heard we'd love you to give us a five star rating and review us and be sure to tell your friends and fans of her crime. We're counting on you to help us. Spread the word young charlie is written and directed by larry brand hollywood in crime is created and produced by rebecca reynolds john ponder and tracy patent and produced by jim carpenter. Young charlie was recorded at the invisible studios. How's west hollywood california and blue room post in manhattan beach california executive producers bennett dare or non lopez four one three.

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Charles Manson Pt. 2: Helter Skelter

Crimes of Passion

56:28 min | 2 years ago

Charles Manson Pt. 2: Helter Skelter

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault drug drug use and violence that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen when Suzanne struthers fifteen year old brother call to tell her. Nobody was answering the door at their mother and stepfather's house. She didn't believe him at first. It was after nine P._M.. And they weren't the type to go out carousing late at night but he insisted she come over. Suzanne told herself. It was probably nothing one of his jokes that she didn't understand but she couldn't shake her rattled nerves she. He took her boyfriend Joe to go investigate. When Suzanne arrived at her parents house she retrieved the spare key and unlocked the back door? Joe suggested that she she weighed in the kitchen while he checked the living room as she waited. Suzanne looked around and spotted a pile of watermelon rinds in the sink. The site of the mess us in her mother's normally meet kitchen gave Suzanne chill a moment later Joe hurried back into the kitchen seeing his face Suzanne's museum worry turned to panic. He wouldn't tell her what he saw in the living room only that they had to leave right now as Joe Joe guided her to the back door. Suzanne glanced at the refrigerator startled scrawled on the door and red paint was a strange message coach helter skelter hi I'm Lena hops and this is crimes of passion apar- cast original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore passionate crimes primes how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's visit them mind between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results last week we explorer Charles Manson's troubled troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used this power of manipulation addition to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family family under Charles Guidance they spent their day squatting at Spahn ranch and seamy valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles's thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after a dispute with a drug dealer named lots of Papa Charles went to lots of poppas apartment can't shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in the aftermath of the violence and how the family family was finally brought to justice. This episode is part of our casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August night. All your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen eighteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals will be digging into the fallout of emo KS assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Cold Old and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all in our new park has presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach reach out on facebook and Instagram podcast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy today's episode the best way to assist to leave a five star review where ever you're listening it really does help the last week we explored Charles Manson's troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used his power of manipulation to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family under Charles's guidance they spent their day squatting at spahn ranch in Seamy Amy Valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after dispute with a drug dealer her name Martha Papa Charles went to lots of poppas apartment shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Liberty Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in in the aftermath of the violence and how the family was finally brought to justice after Charles gunned down on lots of Papa in July of nineteen sixty nine he bragged to his followers about the shooting but he wrongly believed lots of Papa was affiliated with the Black Panthers Panthers and worried that the panthers might come after the family and Revenge Charles became fixated on his plan to flee death valley and Wade out helter authors kilter in isolated safety there Charles said they would hide in a pit until the world returned to order but before they could make take their trip to the desert the family needed to raise some funds Charles Thaad one potential source of income might be thirty four year old music teacher and drug dealer dealer Gary Henman and men was friendly with the family sometimes letting them crash at his house but Charles was an interested in the man's friendship <music> with Henman as with all Charles's relationships Charles only cared about how he could use the other person to benefit himself this. This was also how Charles felt about twenty one year old musician Bobby beausoleil bobby wasn't an official member of the family but he hung out at the ranch frequently frequently listen to Charles Lectures about helter skelter and was romantically involved with some of the family women in July of nineteen sixty nine nine Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed name but the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to to help fund the families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman Bliss particularly attracted to Manson family member eligible Bailey so he suggested she go along to help her swayed Henman but L. A. Joe asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring the Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers they he held the drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles goals as payment but when bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he'd go to the police bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology please note that I am not a licenced psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists his point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health counselor stephen in Hassen use the rise about Keta and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder these extremist extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality polity Charles Manson uses same tactics family members look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs news of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles Girls gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand and the dying man's blood head to draw on the wall he wrote political piggy and then painted pawprint Charles had instructed bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kick off helter skelter then then the group left taking Henman's cars with them back at spahn ranch. Susan Atkins boasted to the other women about the murder but not all the family members were impressed. Ella Jo Bailey felt sick to her stomach. She couldn't believe that the people she saw every day. People she loved could casually admit to murder she had heard about Charlie early shooting and Black Panther a few weeks before but that hadn't hit her the same way. She figured it was just Charlie. Protecting the family hearing about Henman's death was different. She knew Henman she had been invited into his home l.. A. Joe wondered what might have happened if she hadn't refused to go back. Perhaps she could have done something to help. Henman now it was too late and she felt paralyzed. Paralyzed with guilt eligible reflected on her time with the Family Charlie had been the center of her life for nearly two years she she had once thought she'd be happy to follow Charlie's lead for the rest of her life but now she admitted that she felt differently. Perhaps it had started when Bill Vance joined the group bill was special and at some point after he arrived L. A. Joe had begun to think of him as her boyfriend but Charlie discouraged the family from forming attachments he told them that everyone belong to everyone else. Falling in love with bill was eligible first act of disobedience against Charlie now in the wake of Henman's death. L. Joe began to steal herself up for another her larger rebellion as soon as she could Bobby beausoleil decided to flee to San Francisco driving the car he had stolen from Henman but the car broke down midway there when highway highway patrol stopped to help they realized that an all points bulletin had been issued for the stolen car the officers discovered the knife bobby had used to stab hinman stashed in the cars well later they matched his fingerprints to a thumbprint left and Gary Henman's house. The officers arrested Bobby Lobby and he was charged with murder. When Charles heard about the arrest he was worried bobby? Mike confessed to everything implicating the family in the murder murder but he was also upset. The Henman's murder had it made more of an impact he had hoped to spark a media frenzy thou would initiate the coming race war so as family discussed how to deal with Bobby's of rest Charles began to work out a new plan he wanted to stage an even and more brutal murder one so shocking it would make headlines around the country Charles was sure that such an event would be enough to trigger helter skelter and as a bonus it might help bobby beausoleil. The family thought if more murders were committed while bobby was in in custody it would prove that the police had arrested the wrong man and he would be let go on the night of August eighth nineteen sixty nine Charles took family member Tex Watson aside and told him what needed to be done a year earlier when Charles was cozying up to every music industry contact attack that would tolerate him. He had pursued a relationship with music producer Terry Melcher at the time Melcher lived in a secluded house on Cielo drive live even though Melcher had moved out of the house some months before Charles reason that whoever lived there now must also be rich and famous anyone anyone who lived in a place like that must be the kind of high profile person whose death would make national news according to Charles's plan tax and a few of the family women would go to Cielo drive break into the house and murder them in his research. Stephen Harrison stated that in the most destructive colts psychological influence seeks to disrupt an individual's identity personal behavior thoughts emotions and reconstructed in the image of the leader Tex Watson win later say that he accepted Charles's plan without an argument because Manson slaw law was greater than his own conscience Charles recruited more followers to help tax twenty one year old Susan Atkins Twenty one year old Pat Krenwinkel and twenty year old Linda Ca Sabin he instructed them to obey any command techs gave but didn't tell them the goal of the mission as they got into the car. Charles called out do something witchy it was a code to replicate Gary Henman's murder and the political piggy Hegi message bobby had scrawled on the wall just after midnight on August ninth nineteen sixty nine the family arrived at the House on Cielo Drive Dr Texts instructed the women to climb over the fence once they were on the grounds techs told them the plan kill anyone they found inside coming up. We'll talk about the infamous murder spree of August ninth eighth and Tenth Nineteen Sixty nine. Have you heard about Fab fit fun. It's a women's lifestyle subscription option box filled with full-size premium beauty lifestyle fitness home and tech products and it sent right to your door with the seasonal must haves. You need need when my first facet fun box arrived. It felt like a friend had sent me a Christmas gift. All of the items are wrapped beautifully and you get to see what each product is like like based on the magazine that is included in the box. 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Oh Five Oh Cielo drive once they got their techs gave the women the order he had received from Charles Charles Manson they were to break in and kill everyone inside after Melchior moved out thirty five year old director Roman Polanski and his wife Twenty six year old actress Sharon Tate rented the House that night Polanski was not home he was filming filming a movie in Europe but pregnant tate just two weeks away from her due date had stayed behind in Los Angeles another couple also resided the house a longtime friend of Polanski's thirty two year old Vojtech Frankowski and his girlfriend twenty five year old Abigail soldier the pair had moved in to keep sharing company before the birth on that August night Sharon had another visitor her close friend and hairstylists thirty five year old J. C. bring in addition to the main house. The property also had a smaller guest cottage. The property caretaker nineteen year old William Garretson lived in the cottage that night he had a friend over eighteen year old student. Steve Parent parent was just leaving the property around twelve fifteen a m on August ninth. When the family members heard Steve Parents car coming toward them down the driveway they hid in some bushes but as a car stopped at the front gate techs emerged holding his gun the teenager implored please? Please don't hurt me. I'm I'm your friend. I won't tell TEX ignored him. He sliced parents arm with a knife and then shot him for times. Steve Parents slumped over in the front seat dead the group pause to see if the gunfire had alerted the residents of the home but the surrounding canyons muffled the sound Texan the women continued on to the main house techs found in open window leading into the Frans Hall after slicing open the screen he told Linda to stay and keep lookout while the rest went inside in the Living Room Tex Susan in an pat found boy tech break Hausky asleep on the couch. Frankowski woke up and ask them what they wanted. Techs replied. I'm the the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business then he kicked by house-key in the head rendering him barely conscious textile the women to check the rest of the house. They found Abigail folder Sharon tate and J. C.. Bring in the bedrooms brandishing their knives. They ordered everyone to the living room. Once their tax tied up the men Jay and the still dazed for a house-key <music> Sharon tate started to cry J. shouted. Can't you see she's pregnant. As soon as Jay spoke techs tax shot him in the abdomen text demanded all the money the hostages had folder revealed that she had about seventy dollars in her purse. It's about five hundred dollars today. Tate explained that she didn't have any money in the house but she could get some knowing that Charles would be upset that if they returned to spawn ranch without much cash tex became angry J._c.. Bring grown in writhe on the floor from his gunshot that wound Tex world on him and stabbed him until he died when tate and folger's screamed in Horror Vojtech for Hausky awoke from his stupor and struggle to untie his own hands Susan Atkins leapt at him and stabbed his legs tex turned the gun on him and began to shoot but he somehow managed to break free and limped outside techs quickly caught up with him. Frankowski died with two bullet wounds Jones and fifty one stab wounds Linda. K._C._B._S. was still outside keeping lookout when they had set out that evening she thought they were going on another another creepy crawling mission not a murder spree as soon as she saw tax shoot Steve Parent she had entered a state of shock. Now she made an attempt to end the gory scene she shouted. Please make it stop people are coming but nobody was coming and tax did not stop Linda gave up she decided to hop the fence. Get away from the property and wait by their car. As for a house-key died on the Front Lawn Abigail soldier tried to break away she also tried to escape across the yard but Pat Krenwinkel in lingle caught up with her and stabbed her when tex trotted over he pointed path towards the guest cottage and told her to look inside and kill anyone one there at seemed shaken after stabbing Bolger and she only pretended to check the guest cottage telling tax at the house was empty. If the caretaker William Garretson was awake he didn't give any sign to reveal himself techs. Meanwhile continued stabbing Abigail folder later. He claimed she told him as she died. I give up. You've got me finally the murderers turned into pregnant Sharon Tate Tate Beg them to spare her. She pleaded with them to kidnap her and keep her alive just long enough to deliver her baby. The family ignored her. Susan Atkins held the sobbing woman while Tex stabbed her sixteen times when she was dead. Susan dipped a towel in her blood and wrote the worth Hig on the front door with their mission accomplished. The group left the property techs. Susan and Pat Join Linda a car and drove away when they got back to the ranch inch Charles was eager to hear about the crime in fact he wanted to see it for himself to make sure it was gruesome enough to attract media attention then he drew back to the House himself that night and made small adjustments wanting to make the crime scene as bizarre and shocking as possible he placed the towel over Jaycee brings head. He draped an American flag over Sharon Tate's body. He moved a pair of glasses to the living room when when he was finished he drove back to spahn ranch and went to bed the next Lisa also found a number of recreational drugs in the House M._D._a.. A- sheesh and marijuana perhaps the murders were the result of a drug deal L. gone bad back at spahn ranch. Susan Techs and Pat Watch the news and basked in the attention. Their crimes had received Charles wasn't satisfied. None of the reports blamed the deaths on the Black Panthers nor do they link the debts to Gary Henman's murder. The tate murders wouldn't clear Bobby Beausoleil. 's name nor would they begin helter skelter so Charles decided that more people had to the die this time it wouldn't simply issue orders from the ranch. He intended to oversee the killings himself. Charles gathered rather the same group he'd sent to Ceelo Dr Techs Susan Pat and Linda no one had told Charles that Linda ran away during during the previous night's murders and she was too afraid to object when Charles selected her for a second journey Charles also brought Nineteen Year Roll Leslie Van Houten an eighteen year old clem Grogan the group dressed in dark clothes and gathered their knives then they set out into the tonight Charles directed them to a neighborhood in Los Feliz and told them to stop next door to a house the family had been to before for parties. He's but the friend had moved out the previous fall and no one was sure why Charles pick this target he in Tex- gone out of the car and entered entered through an unlocked back door inside forty four year old Lino Lobby Yongfu and his wife thirty eight year old rosemary were asleep Lino you know in Rosemary were not rich celebrities. He ran a chain of grocery stores and she owned a dress shop. They were a well liked upper middle class couple. They had no connections to Manson or the family. When Charles Tex went into the house they found Lino Asleep on the couch? When he awoke Charles Order a text to tie the man's hands behind his back with some leather ropes he brought from the ranch Charles went into the bedroom brought out Rosemary Harry and sat her next to her husband then he retrieved pat and Leslie from the car he told techs make sure everybody he does something before? Leaving Charles Stole Rosemary's Wallet Techs put a pillowcase over Leena La Bianca as head and wrapped a lamp record around the man's neck and mouth he instructed pat and Leslie to take Rosemary into the bedroom and do the same thing to her when when they were out of sight Tech Stab Lino with a bayonet from the bedroom rosemary screamed. What are you doing to my husband? She tried to run to Lino but the lamp cords wrapped around her neck or still plugged into the wall as Rosemary strained against the cords. Pat Pat stabbed her with a kitchen knife. Then Tex came in to complete the job with his bayonet when Rosemary was dead tax return to the Living Room stabbed Lino a few more times and carved the word war into the man's stomach pat stuck an ivory handled carving fork fork in his body. They went back to the bedroom. Were techs instructed Leslie to Stab Rosemary's body following Charlie's command that everyone participate when they were finished they use blood to write messages on the wall in the living room they wrote wrote rise and death to pigs in the kitchen on the refrigerator door. Pat wrote helter skelter misspelled spelled H. E. A. L. T. R. AS TEX PAT and Leslie followed followed Charles's orders Charles led the rest of the Women Linda Clem and Susan to a denny's restaurant instill mar he told Linda Delete Rosemary's wallet and the restaurant bathroom he expected a black woman to find the wallet steal the credit cards inside and then be blamed for the law Bianca's murderer's then Charles asked them who else they might kill Charles recalled Linda telling him about a Lebanese actor named salad natter whom she met while panhandling Linda had gone back to the actors home in Santa Monica to have sex Charles asked if Linda remembered the building where the actor lived windass said yes but when Charles handed her a knife and told her she was going to find matter and slit his throat. Linda balked the bloody events of the previous night had sickened her and she did not want to be a part of more violence. She said I'm not you Charlie. Dan Charles ignored her. He needed as many notorious deaths as possible to ignite helter skelter he dropped the family members off in front front of the actor's apartment and told Linda to lead Susan and Clem to the actors door where they would kill him. Then Charles drove away way back to spawn ranch. Linda pretended to obey Charles but she purposefully took Susan and Clem to the wrong unit when a stranger answered the door. Linda backed away and told the family that she didn't remember where natter lived the group hitchhiked back to spawn on and nobody discussed what had happened. The following evening Rosemary Labianca fifteen year old son frank came home. I'm from staying at a friend's house when his mother and stepfather didn't answer the door. Frank called his twenty one year old sister Suzanne and Suzanne's boyfriend Joe Dorgan the three entered the house where they found Rosemary and Lino Bianca dead the immediately called the police when journalists I got a hold of the story they noticed the similarities between the crime scene at Cielo drive and the Law Bianca residents police however were skeptical optical Leena La Bianca had some gambling debts and investigators thought he might build some money to members of the mafia although it seemed as if if the family had gotten away with murder Charles worried about Bobby Beausoleil who was still being held for Gary Henman's death and who might confess and point like the police to Charles at any moment the week after the murders Charleston Linda Kosabe into visit Bobby in jail and give him a message to stay quiet quiet. Linda happily took her assignment Linda K._C._B._S. in skin crawl the she thought about her naievety say she had left an unhappy marriage to join the family because she thought she might find higher love with Charlie and his women she felt disgusted gusted by what she knew now the family had nothing to do with love they were just mindless robots controlled by a Madman Linda would give anything to Undo the Knights of August ninth and tenth but her only option was to move forward she had had to get out only one thing was stopping Linda from deserting the family and never looking back her young daughter. Tanya UH lived at spahn ranch to limit desperately trying to think of a way to take Tanya without raising Charlie suspicions but it it was hopeless she knew Charlie would never let them leave together. If she tried Charlie might kill her and then Tanya would be stuck with the family family forever. Leaving Tanya was the hardest thing Linda had ever done but she knew that it was the only way to get help she had had to do it to save them. Both with her decision made Linda borrowed a car and meet a show of leaving to visit Bobby at the Los Angeles Louis County jail but instead of driving south she went east. Her heart broke as the mile stretched between her and Tanya but she she willed herself to keep going. She had to reach her husband Bob in New Mexico then she would tell him everything. After after Linda reunited with her husband she told him about the murderers but she was too afraid to go to the police worried the family might hurt her daughter. She was anxious to that. The family might try to come after her but by then Charles was too busy to pursue an insubordinate family member he was hard at work preparing his followers further move to the desert coming coming up. We'll talk about the fracturing of the family in Death Valley and how the groups breakdown helped investigators and prosecutors make their case against Charles Manson now the conclusion of the story in late August of nineteen sixty nine Charles Manson decided it was time for helter skelter to begin he ordered some of his most loyal followers to carry out a series of brutal murders on August ninth and tenth killing seven people not long after the murders spawn ranch was raided by police. It had nothing to do with the tate or lobby on the murders. Police suspected the group was operating an auto theft ring on the property they had been stealing Dune buggies and motorcycles our cycles in preparation for their trek to the desert and had actually previously been rated for similar suspicions. Police took some of the family members into to custody but the charges were dropped within days for lack of evidence. Although they released the adult family members they placed the family children including Linda CA sapiens daughter Tanya into foster care when Lyndon discovered this she returned to l._a.. County to regain custody over the girl but she did not reveal anything about the murders back at the ranch Charles remained anxious about the police's raid he thought it might be a signal that someone was spilling family secrets. He blamed Donald Shorty Shea an employee of the ranch owner short he didn't care for the families presence at at the ranch and he often advised his boss to kick them out given his animosity towards Charles Short. He made a convenience ape goat some night in late August about two weeks. After the Tate Murders Charles Bruce Davis and Clem Grogan took shorty shea out into into the desert and killed him with a Stun Charles decided it was time to retreat to Death Valley National Park hundreds of miles away from civilization to wait out the coming race Horse Charles most ardent followers were thrilled that they were finally going to escape into the pit Charles had prophesied they believed that once they were inside the pit they would go through metamorphosis and take whatever form they desired but they had to locate the pit before this could happen when they reached the desert. Charles ordered them to go on daily excursions in search of the whole that would lead them to the pit each night when they returned from day of searching exhausted they would gather around a fire her take hits of acid and listen to Charles preaching about helter skelter and their new life Sharon Kay Farber a counselor with a p._H._d.. In in social work said that colts prey upon the tendency of many to rely on magical thinking which reinforces the tendency to endow the leader with omnipotent patent and magical powers the member can readily come to believe that the leader can read his mind or hear conversations at a distance many many of Charles's followers were desperate for Charles's predictions to come true they had joined Charles in the first place to escape their empty lives and now they wanted to escape from reality itself but for the family members who were not quite sold on Charles is apocalyptic predictions life even death valley was a difficult adjustment. There was no electricity or telephones they were constantly running low on food and supplies and the daily expeditions to find the pit or brutal in the desert heat as morale dropped Tex Watson grew frustrated every day. The Group failed to find the pit techs grew more doubtful of Charles claims confused and depressed. He began to fervently Ervin. Lee wished that he could erase his life with the family. After a few weeks he left the Wchs Department these suspicions lead Park Rangers and the California Highway Patrol to pay the family visit they found stolen cars including in makeshift armored vehicles with scampered to hold weapons. The officer suspicions of the Strange Group deepened on October tenth the park service a highway patrol and Inyo County Sheriff's department raided the property authorities made over a dozen arrests but they did not locate Charles by by chance he had gone back to Los Angeles a day before to try to raise some extra money and replenish their food stash Charles returned to death valley as soon as she heard about the raid perhaps panicked at the thought of his followers in custody and what they might be telling the gleese he wanted to be physically close to <unk> them while he figured out how to regain control immediately after Charles's return. The authorities raided the desert ranch again this time as California Highway Patrolman James Pursell meet a sweep inside the House he found a lit candle flickering on the table and he knew that someone must must be home herself searched the bathroom right before his eyes the door of a small cabinet by the sinks Longo been and Charles Charles Manson emerged herself said if you make one false move I'll blow your head off to which Charles replied applied. I Charles was arrested and brought to a jail in Inyo county along with the rest of the family. Once serious interogations began everything started to unravel twenty year old kitty lead singer who was pregnant with Bobby Beausoleil as baby and frustrated that she was being kept in the dark told the police everything she heard about Gary Henman's murder she also told them she had heard Susan Atkins bragging being about stabbing a man in the legs she assumed Susan was talking about Henman but he hadn't been stabbed in the legs the attack she described fit another crime better the murder of Vojtech Reich Hausky at Sharon Tate's house investigators questioned Susan who corroborated the story story admitting that she had been present for Henman's murder. Susan was subsequently booked for murder and moved to a women's prison and Los Angeles County any Susan spend the next few weeks bragging to other inmates that she had been part of the Tate Murders John R Schaffer a behavioral analyst list for the F._B._i.. Says this behavior is common stating when criminals commit crimes they feel an overwhelming need to tell someone what they dead especially if the crime required skill and cunning criminals crave recognition for their nefarious deeds Susan's fellow uh-huh inmates reported her statements to authorities while investigators were linking the family to the tate and Hinman murderers they also discovered evidence of Charles's is involvement in the lobby bianca murders the leather material of Charles's deer skin suit matched the leather ropes used to tie the hands of Rosemary and Lino Lino Lubyanka in the previous months police had conducted three separate murder investigations without seeing a link between them now <hes> with the Manson family in custody. The connections between the Tate Labianca and Henman murders were staring them in the face now that the police had found the perpetrators of the murders prosecutor Vinson Bouillaud see began to build his case against Charles he would have to rely on witness MS testimony and for this he would need to convince some of the family members to let go of their devotion to and fear of their leader breaking breaking Charles's hold over the family was a difficult process psychologist and cold expert. Margaret Singer stated that the idea of leaving a colt is often unbearable for participants. She says there is a psychological bond that becomes most difficult to sever. Perhaps Charles Charles's most bonded and devout follower was Susan Atkins who had been present for all the bloody crimes. Susan Atkins ends. I'd the prosecutors sitting across from her. He was trying to question her but it was hard to focus on him. She had to stay alert and case Charlie. We tried to send a message to her. The lawyers kept telling her that Charlie was far away in jail in Inyo County but Susan knew that Charlie was everywhere he was watching her now. You would know if Susan betrayed him. Her lawyer told her that the prosecutors accusers wanted her to testify against Charlie. He told her that if she didn't cooperate prosecutors would push for the death penalty but Susan understood what her lawyers did not death was meaningless. Only the spirit mattered and the spirit lived forever. That's what Charlie had taught her. Susan Atkins belief in Charles was unwavering but she seemed to enjoy talking about the murderers lawyers convinced her to testify in front of a grand jury in Los Angeles. Susan explained how Charles had programmed the family to do things and gave detailed descriptions of their crimes. Susan didn't seem to realize that she was incriminating Charles. She saw her her testimony. As an opportunity to proselytize about Charles's godlike powers the grand jury panel issued indictments on seven counts of murder her and one count of conspiracy to commit murder against Charles Manson Tex Watson Susan Atkins Linda Ca Sapien and Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten was indicted on two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The trial began in the summer of nineteen seventy although she had testified in front of the Grand Jury Susan Atkins Refuse to testify for the prosecution at trial now now she claimed that Charles was innocent and that the family had acted alone without his help or influence but prosecutors had other witnesses to counter counter this they arranged deal with Linda Kosabe Ian who had accompanied the family on the murder missions but refused to kill anyone. Linda was granted granted immunity in exchange for her testimony. The prosecutors also secured the testimony of former family member Barbara Hoyt who had walked sixteen hours through the desert to escape them testifying against a family proved to be risky prior to the trial a family member approach Barbara era pretending to renew their friendship but then proceeded to poison Barbara with ten tabs of L._S._D.. When Barbara recovered from the overdose she was more determined than ever to testify although prosecutors manage to turn some family members into cooperative witnesses most of them remained under Charles's spell fame social psychologist Leon festinger studied similar behavior in nineteen fifties UFL Colt festinger linger noted that when the Colt Leaders Doomsday Prophesy failed the cult members became more committed rather than less festinger attributed this to cognitive dissonance writing that a person can distort her perception and the information about the world around her in order to protect her convictions during the Manson trial several of the family women gathered outside the courthouse every day singing and chanting for crowds of onlookers inside the courtroom courtroom Charles tried to disrupt the trial with a variety of antics including carving a small X. in his forehead just above his eyebrows he arrange for a family member to pass out a written statement outside the courthouse it read I have exed myself from your world? No Man or lawyer lawyer is speaking for me. I speak for myself. I am not allowed to speak with words so I have spoken with the Mark I will be wearing on my forehead forehead after he did this. The family woman appeared at the courthouse with X.'s gouged into their foreheads but the trial move forward as scheduled on March twenty ninth nineteen seventy one the jury returned a guilty verdict Charles Manson and Susan Atkins at Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were sentenced to die in the Gas Chamber Tex Watson had a separate retrial was convicted in October of nineteen seventy one and also sentenced to death but before these sentences were carried readout California's Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in nineteen seventy two Charles remained infamous in prison attracting attracting notoriety in part due to the devotion of his followers in nineteen seventy five family member Lynette squeaky Kief Romi attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford Secret Service tackled her before she could shoot Charles might not have ordered himself but many speculate that Lynette did it to impress him. She was sentenced to life in prison for the assassination attempt and paroled in two two thousand nine in recent two thousand nineteen interview. She confessed that she was still in love with Manson other followers. I did not remain faithful. Susan Atkins eventually renounced Charles and converted to Christianity. She died of cancer in two thousand eight after nearly three decades in prison Tex Watson Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten have also expressed the repudiation of Charles Charles they remain in prison today and have so far been denied parole. Charles Manson died in prison and two thousand thousand seventeen at the age of eighty three but fifty years after the Manson families crimes people remain fascinated by the colts legacy. The Manson family came together at the height of a counterculture movement that encourage young people to reject convention question authority and an embrace the ideals of peace and love Charles Manson's brutal crimes effectively destroyed the spirit of the sixties as a world came came to associate the hippie lifestyle with the wave of crime and violence but if Charles Life shows anything it's that he did not need a Hippie ideology ideology or political agenda to inspire him to violence his militias behavior began long before the nineteen sixties Charles's cousin Joanne told the following story six years old first grade. He talked the girls in his class into to beating up other boys. He doesn't like then when the principal comes to ask Charlie. Why did you do that Charlie's responses? It wasn't me they were doing what they wanted. You can't blame me for that. Thirty years later he'd use the same defense with a new group of girls. Thanks again N. for tuning into our crimes of passion summer of sixty nine special if you enjoyed this episode checkout podcasts continued retrospective into the summer of Sixty Jeanine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of crimes of passion next week. If you're interested in learning more about the summer of sixty nine be sure to check out our new are cast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts several of you have ask how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is still leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast cast and twitter at podcast network. 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Cults Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Cults

28:17 min | 1 year ago

Cults Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi Vanessa and I have some exciting news for you. Cults is now airing episodes twice a week every Friday. You'll hear cults crime bites where you'll get a brief episode on a true crime theme that's related to the stories on this show is hosted by my co host and good friend Greg and it's a fantastic listening experience. I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. Take in addition to your normal colts episode. Were exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world world really is you can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics to criminals use to deceive coerce coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness Restiveness Cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing murder victim is the driving force behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey. Prey Psychologists George Simon identified many tactics manipulators used to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim to to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gas lighting. So who do manipulators target. How do they select the right person? PERSON TO FALL PREY TO THEIR SCHEME DR. Harriet breaker identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please these low self reliance desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety righty of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with a clip it from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized as followers and cultivated and intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding while the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the Tate Lubyanka murders in August of nineteen. sixty-nine their first victim was drug dealer. Gary Hinman hints murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal. Oh killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine Charles learned. The two men were in the midst of argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families because in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family member L.. Joe Bayly so. He suggested she go along to help. Persuade Henman but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests. That visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members. Arguing over which guns and weapons. They would bring Henman's apartment instead. Charleston family members. Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer up up at gunpoint. While the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan. Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage. In his home they continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd go to the gleese bobby was spooked? He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology. cleese note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The the American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent cult influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use we use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them and Talapity. Charles Charles Manson uses same tactics. Family members looked Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation nation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand in the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote a little piggy and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating donating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group left after taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals the HIPPIE era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace and love in this next clip from cults we examined one of the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventy S. The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker. You're relied on ideas. Like enlightenment and free love to bind. His disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation installation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation. Listen as a cult leader. Baker developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency cult leaders tap app into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche. Followers are encouraged to become regressed and Infanta licensed to believe that their life depends pens. Unpleasing the culture and quote and just as much as the source family members needed over. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore your him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March one thousand nine hundred seventy three. The fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second can home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly vacantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother house else. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. Am Meditation Tation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly. Instantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers. The pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules else in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's acres total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years. Eventually their numbers surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father yoed met his end in fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy. I five for some. It was a death as glorious as Baker's life but for others it was shocking wakeup call. They realized that that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was guiding them to total enlightenment and in turn his followers had blindly obeyed his every swim but what happens when a criminal delude themselves. into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest up there. The victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of of self manipulation from violence and separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic of the source family criminals have relied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims but perhaps the most fascinating method of manipulation is one. The criminal uses on themselves denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety two nine year old Katie was kept in underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered sexual abuse at the hands of our neighbor. John S zero or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his crimes out of the belief but he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so so esposito convinced himself that showering her with gifts and affection would make Katie happy and feel loved the Nesper. ZITO's mind he had rescued Katie Eighty from her neglectful family. And it was giving your the care and attention. She deserved but in reality he had trapped her in a literal Hell L. on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker to give Katie food or toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more within twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence he was seriously harming Katie. Which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism on the other hand when John Esposito did finally confess? He blamed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation. A nation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of of sexual predators. Says one of the most common types of child predators is the quote fixated child offender fixated child offenders. Offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away. They're abusive children as showing affection. They may know their our actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides their moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated fixated and felt unable to stop. He tried to convince himself he was actually helping her big John's cran gestures like the promise of a car car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seem like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself that kidnapping being in sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. Big John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives. Among John esposito's victims Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days in John Esposito a bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her she used a variety of tactics to convince Esposito to let go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let her leave. Grow up go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO SITO turned himself into the police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police released to the hidden bunker. Freeing Katie John esposito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control. But how do they gain a potential victims. Trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers will examine the tactics of lust murderer her Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover Harmon killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between the the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to harmon strategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink that once. They're guard was completely down. He savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time. New Confidence Fueled Harman's bloodlust so when he met seventeen year old wilhelm shelter at Hanover Station Station in one thousand nine hundred eighty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approached the boy by now. Harmon had a practice routine for finding suitable suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer. Searching for vulnerable. Boys shoots was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman Harman had impersonated a police officer and pretend to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles. He offered Schultz a place to stay warm meal. She'll say eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to apartment. The room was small but spotless. Thoughtless after nearly getting caught for the murder of Franca just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact. He had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord a widow named Elizabeth Angle. But harm it had long ago explained. Ankle that he was very particular about his cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother attendant for keeping US room tidy besides Harmon was charming angle liked him. His charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner. Harmon was always able to get close to his these victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask US victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming coming from police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy according to Harman he didn't I always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He you gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance Harmon pulsed. He grabbed Shilpa by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack sunk his teeth into shelters Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details. Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during at that time the police couldn't help but notice a sharp spike in the number of missing boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from victims started popping up around town in rivers and fields when harmon was arrested. Police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions for extra cash at the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall? Every part of Fritz Harman's interaction with this victim served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to how he killed them he was entirely calculated in his manipulations appellations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate rather their manipulations encouraged by their own dilutions. Our final clip from female criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved oft. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found the one in. Louison may carried on a serious reese affair for the better part of nineteen eighty two but Louis concerned by some Diana behavior. She needed his constant attention at affection. She he also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to his wife. Diane and was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised a plan to win. Lou Back if she made herself a victim he would have to compactor. Actor her to save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night. Diane took the kids out for a drive then. She staged a violent carjacking on the night. Night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Welsh interview Diana at Mackenzie Wilmot. Hospital Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town in in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route. That was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down down old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk River. shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her. Stop the car. Diane God ought to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys when she refused the man's snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing it seeing when it's pitch black out and why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being right handed shot in the left arm. I mean think about it it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh the man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski mask. I she said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality. Disorder like Diane. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr Mark. D Griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate silicate their dramatic and attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story to you appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought to save the three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with their children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking jacking story to explain their grave injuries however her attempts to manipulate investigators and increasing desire for their attention exposed host her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital spital recovering her three year. Old Son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but but when she recovered it was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals that are clips today utilize different different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics at play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John esposito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that. These manipulators shows their victims very carefully. Paying attention to those who are are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. esposito victim was not only child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults for many of Fritz Harman's victims runaways vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to its followers. I who look to Baker for Guidance Enlightenment in the end they all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast. Crime Bites we hope you enjoyed this episode Odom tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate nurturers charterers. Why do they sometimes hurt the ones they love most even their own children? 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The Summer Of Manson

Dateline NBC

41:45 min | 2 years ago

The Summer Of Manson

"The same relative charon take begged egged her. Please don't kill me. It was a new kind of crime. These were brutal. Crime scenes things that the police had never seen before the victim had died and they continued the staff grief like you could not imagine everybody in los angeles is petrified. Where are they going to strike straight nix. Aren't we all born to die. Charles manson stole lives charlie tells go in there do what you need me to do. He stole innocence dances. He sings and the straws a lot of people and he ended an era. He symbolizes the horror that can be possible possible in this world a look back at the life and death of charles manson. I know what i've done it. The remains are ruins. The ramshackle barker ranch long god only the fitful baking king death valley wind left now the stir the faded bits the rusted junk the artifacts of fifty years ago ago when this was ground zero for one of the most infamous crimes in history the hideout of the living personification of evil if got stuck in your brain that on murder somebody charles manson one hot dry weekend in los angeles august nineteen sixty nine pregnant movie star slaughtered along with four others in her home across town. A couple butchered in. There's these were brutal. Crime scenes things that the police had never seen before murder so bloody so ugly ugly they rewrote history became kind of bookmark as an era of optimism ended and a darker time began. The sixties came to a close nineteen sixty nine and that was the curtain that was the final who could make sense of dame even now. How do our kids end up doing this kind of incredibly violent crime. How did that happen tonight. We'll do our best to answer that question to get past the myths that have clouded out of the story of charles manson and with the help of those who witnessed finally explain the chaos the crimes the horror. It's a story that begins at a small mill town on the banks of the ohio river mcmechan west virginia where the myth manson spun had its beginning manson had told his own life story that he was a child nobody wanted his mother's is a career criminal and prostitute but madsen lied. This is jeff guinn author of mental. The man whose research revealed field the facts behind the miss manson was raised by a very loving family his uncle and aunt and his grandmother these were folks who were very religious and they of course wanted charlie to go to church which he hated but he had an amazing knack to memorize scripture. He was fascinated particularly with the book of revelation which he learned a quote at great length but he you did not learn to be good. He constantly stole he lied. He picked on people he was fascinated with knives and nothing nothing you would do to try to discipline him. More finally manson was sent to reform school eventually prison by thirty to it spent half his life locked up. He was immediately struck by the pimps from them. He learned how to control women men who were and this is his quote bent but not broken. That's an awesome became fascinated with a popular book by dale carnegie's mckay how to win friends and influence people. This is so strange to hear that he read dale carnegie not only read randall carnegie absorbed. That wasn't the only thing madison picked up in prison. Another inmate gave him guitar lessons and one day in in the prison workshop. A radio was blaring the top forty of nineteen sixty four. Here's a song by the beatles and so he sets a goal for himself of becoming even better than the beatles and he starts writing songs and performing in prison shows so by the time charlie manson awesome was released from prison on parole is fantasy was very strong would be signed to a contract would become world famous rich and have all the women in in drugs he wanted the fantasy and charles manson himself would almost certainly have remained anonymous a complete unknown had it not been for this san francisco's haight ashbury district where that very moment in nineteen sixty seven more than fifty years ago busloads of kids were arriving what they thought would be a new world of peace love. There'd be hundreds of people aw sitting on the sidewalk nego- grass acid speed roger smith was managed parole officer in san francisco and into that i've seen walk charlie manson he did he could somehow identify the ones who could be tricked coerced drawn in oh bent but not broken troubled. Young women like susan atkins. She left home as a teenager and drifted washed up in the hague. She worked as a topless dancer. Quit and then fell under man spell b nicknamed her sadie later there was leslie van houten who got into drugs ran away from home had an abortion and then met him people magazine's selena adidas has written about matt's he slept with all those girls right away making a connection with them and they felt this man gets me <music> he kept adding women his entourage and they went with him everywhere even to meet and third with his parole officer who heard firsthand firsthand manson's preaching to his flock oddball mix of free love social commentary and apocalyptic prophecies a lot of stop up pretty silly but even always frame his statements. This is what i believe in the girls all believed that the girls hung on every word he spoke seemed ready to do anything he asked like when he told them to have sex with men he wanted to win over when he told them he was destined to be bigger bigger than the beatles manson fully intended to become a rock and roll star and didn't think it was going to be very hard. The summer of love was over manson loaded his family. Now numbered about half a dozen onto a school bus took them to los angeles. He was still just a small time criminal with the dream but not for long beach boy and charles manson denison convinced that he could make charlie star manson strangehold on his family dances. He sings <hes> he looks beautiful. He looks happy. Happy and this draws a lot of people los angeles nineteen sixty sixty eight the center of the rock and roll universe here was capitol records. The beatles record company the sunset strip and here the producers who could make charles manson star. He positioned his family out here in the wooded haven alternative living called to panga canyon canyon. He lived on a place in panga canyon. It was burned out house. Eric carlson was living nearby in his first tv interview. You told us how he got to know mansion at his very available young women they would come over to get take showers and stuff and stuff does is he said he was called sexy sadie and not without cause <hes> exactly eric's the house or shower to offer my you the main occupant an owner of the house in which eric was living was a soft-spoken music teacher and gary hinman. There's just generous basically basically he never charged me any whatsoever when some of the manson women were busted for a spree of minor crimes charlie came over and asked gary if you could help them well he said well. What's the what's the bail of course gary hinman as he generously paid the bail at no idea <hes> how manson would return his favor match another family move depend get to a defunct western movie location called spahn ranch a few miles farther out manson told another of his followers lynette frahm who was nicknamed squeaky to keep the octogenarian happy so the family in exchange range for a few chores to live on the ranch for free manson dances he sings. He looks beautiful. He looks happy and this draws. A lot of people. Just like people are drawn line two little babies they scrounge for food and trash dumpsters said former family member barbara hoyt. It was fun you go behind the store. They used to throw away some good staff. Good vegetables. You'll find all kinds of treasures off there but the family didn't just live on scavenged vegetables they stole cash and credit cards and cars manson taught them a skill he called creepie crawling entering houses at night without waking the sleeping people inside at a used his women to advance his dream of becoming being famous sends them out into the parts of los angeles that are known as areas where the rock stars live to find some of them do what it takes wchs and get them to take charlie on as sort of their project that they will introduce him to the right people ridiculous of course but then the most extraordinary thing it worked. Dennis picked up a couple of girls on uncensored. Every hitchhiking dennis was dennis wilson of the beach boys at the time america's the answer to the beatles jacobsen was a music producer and friend data's wilson's. They went to his house. They had a good time and play music and all the things that did they redo. Manson system worked like a charm offering his young women as sexual favors to get what he wanted before the day they was out he and most of the family had moved right into dennis wilson's house dentist use to call me up and said great command down men were partying. All these girls are here charlie. You've gotta meet charlie. The wizard dentures convinced that he could make charlie star and so improbable is it seem dennis took manson to his brother brian studio that brian wilson to record some of his songs but when the other beach boys actually heard that he didn't have a very high opinion of the music or charlie the session fissile but the beach boys he's diplay one of manson's songs on the mike douglas t._v. Show but dennis rewrote the words and the title. Oh charlie was so angry that anybody anybody would dare to change the lyric change anything. He said it was like misquoting him so the beach boys were not the answer dimensions dreams but one more chance greg jacobsen knew a man in los angeles who could snap his fingers and get manson contract. His name was terry melcher one of l. A.'s top music producers and in the late spring of sixty nine not agreed to come to spahn ranch to hear manson sane charlie almost expected somebody to pull out contract in a pan and say here sign here you now have a contract with columbia records but there was to be no contract because later terry melcher politely but firmly rejected charlie manson charlie. It was really crushed. You would not be a rock and roll star. You would not be rich and famous. He was a failure which dimension men said his parole officer sir roger smith charlie was in serious danger of losing the family. He did something that you know. Politicians are masterful at and and that is he creates this this horrible thing era. There's going to be a race war. It was a time time of racial strife in america especially in l. A. and manson blended that information somehow with the book of revelation to prophesy armageddon a world ending race before he called helter skelter after one of the songs on the beatles white album his followers believed but what did he smith isn't so sure i think it was basically used to keep them focused and maybe even divert attention from the fact that he was not doing well <hes> terms of realizing his dream time to move. He told his family gather money cars. Get to the desert hazard to wait out the war between the races where again the manson story might have disappeared from history without a ripple or a trace a day in the life of the manson family every day he he would gather everyone together and dose them with l._s._d. And the killing begins beausoleil calls manson again. What are we gonna do. Manson says you. I know what you have to do. Charlie manson had come to los angeles with the plan to be bigger than the beaten by the summer of sixty nine. He knew that wasn't going to happen and that's when manson told his followers they had doing night something he called helter helter skelter an imminent world destroying race war which he named for reasons only he knew after a song on the beatles white album. They're gonna go on the desert. Stay there for one hundred fifty years while the black man takes over but then they're going to need him later and and that's when he's gonna come out as the master race and be the leader of everyone sounds ridiculous of course it is ridiculous but combination <music> of drugs being isolated. He had them all convinced that this was rail. He was serious about this. Yeah he believed it or so. He persuaded his followers. He told them he needed complete loyalty and complete control every day he would gather other everyone together and dostam with l._s._d. And he would talk for awhile that's when for his bent but not broken flock manson portrayed himself as the new cheeses but not a sweet and kindly version of jesus. Charlie was <hes> acting meaner gene or towards the girls. If they failed to follow his directions kitchen the head with a stick we went from good charlie badger he really got mean bean gene and desperate to find the money and cars to take his family to death valley where he told them they'd wait out helter skelter and who had money ian cars his music teacher friend gary hinman and charleena all of that eric carlson was with gary but manson called make demands he's telling gary it's time for him to join the family because this whole helter skelter was coming and that he needed to cash out all of his investments and go with the family and go out to the desert gary told manson no but the man who become used to getting what he unwanted persisted he says gary this is your last chance. If you don't do this i will not be responsible for the karma you will invoke upon yourself. Karma mets style then he said a friend of the family named bobby beausoleil along with loyal family member susan in atkins and mary brunner to shakedown gary bosa like beats him up him and keeps the meal any money on any money. Eventually beausoleil called manson manson comes down. He's wearing a sword that he's waving around. Charlie actually slices part of inman zero departs again manson's followers tortured gary hinman for three days until he finally signed over the pink slips for his cars but then he threatened to call the police mostly calls manson again. What are we gonna do. Manson says you know what you have to do. Both soleil stag gary hinman and then mary brunner and susan atkins finished with a a pillow over his face gary died because he didn't want to give up his money in the cars yes but he was equally important to become part up. What become a part of us or we'll kill you. The revolution is coming. A lot of people are going to die. Manson had a term for these people piggies another song from the white album if you want to be one of the piggies in today's pork is tomorrow's bacon so on manson's orders on the wall of gary's house they wrote the words political piggy and left it paw prints all the victim's blood hoping it would lead to police to suspect black panthers committed the murder the county the police come to investigate. It's a murder but they don't in any way link it to a black revolutionary execution misdirection. This direction failed in less than a week. Bobby beausoleil was pulled over driving one of gary henman's cars where police found a bloody knife and beausoleil called madison from jail the manning help and saying he hadn't ratted on him yet jeff when believes manson decided on on a plan to spring beausoleil and save his own skin family members at spahn ranch talking about what's happened to bobbi. Maybe he's in prison what's going to happen. How can we break him out. They did hatch a plan so horrible that the name charlie meant would be famous alright not as star but as a symbol of evil elder skelter a night of madness and murder sharon tate quite naturally screen. She's begging not to her life but for her baby's susan atkins and says bitch. I have no sympathy for you. August sixth nineteen sixty-nine bobby beausoleil was in jail accused of murdering during gary hinman. Charlie manson was afraid bobby mytalk implicate him in the family then an idea a crazy a horrible idea watching james cagney movie where he's in jail for these for these murders do these copycat murders to prove that he's not one. That's what charlie manson decided to commit murders so similar to what they did to hinman that the cops would have to think the real killers were still on the loose anisa. They saw that they'd release bobby beausoleil but the key to these copycat killings madsen decided was to find a high profile victim if if it's somebody famous and the newspapers and the t._v. or making a big deal out of it then it'll work they'll have to lead bobby abby out free bobby and maybe touch off helter skelter in the bargain by framing the black panthers august eighth nineteen sixty nine late. Susan atkins sexy sadie dressed in black and headed out of spawn ranch sadie hung out of the car window and yell. We're gonna kill some mother. Effing pigs also with the car tex watson patricia krenwinkel now linda abyan their target. Whoever lived the house recently vacated by terry melcher who months earlier at the likely blown off manson's hopes for a record deal whoever's living they're now has to be rich and famous. Nobody else could afford a house like that. Actually been thousand earlier that year looking for terry melcher he moved out but mansion encountered the current residents actress sharon tate the pregnant wife of film director roman polanski now how techs climbed the telephone pole and cut wires to that very same house. They all went over the gate. Just any young man named stephen parent who've who've been visiting the property caretaker was headed out of the driveway techs confronted him with a knife than shot him several times killing had begun. Tom with kosabe ian standing guard. Susan patricia and text went inside the house. Polanski was out of the country that night but his friend void take for husky was asleep on the couch techs kicked him. Susan atkins went to see who else was there. She starts down a hallway and there's here's a guest bedroom and there's a woman sitting up in bed. It's abigail folder aris to the folger's coffee fortune folder awesome. This was just some other friend to share and waves to her and susan atkins little finger wave back continues down the hall aw in the bedroom she found sharon tate jay sebring celebrity hairdresser and tastes former boyfriend. She heard them into the living at the d._d. Maria is jay seabreeze nephew. At a certain point watson turned his back and j charged and he shot jay is he was coming linked to him and then watson krenwinkel over started stabbing and kicking sharon tate quite naturally screaming mccaskey and folder breakout aside door or running across lawn krenwinkel watson chase after them sue everyone was left for dead except sharon tate. She's begging for her life but for her baby's susan atkins says bitch i have no sympathy for you and she slaughtered that susan atkins wrote the word pig in blood on the front door to make sure the cops would connect these murders to gary hinman smarter they they arrive back at the ranch charlie manson's waiting for them. Would you do tell me about it and they telling and he's furious from their description. He doesn't think they've left the house appalling enough that it will get the attention they want so said gwynn gwynne manson himself returned to the house at draped in american flag near sharon tate's body manson with a sense of theater thought that ah would be this thing that would really really make everybody gasped and pay attention a movie actress and four of her friends friends were murdered. The circumstances were lurid. Cloudy badly mutilated this. I'd rather not discuss but nobody made a link to gary. Hinman beausoleil remained in jail. Charlie was furious. They had screwed up. He blamed blamed them very much so if they've done it right at the end of the night and this time i'm going with you to make sure sure it gets done properly. He took his band of killers. On a tour of los angeles looking for just the right innocent victims uh-huh there was a street manson knew had been to a party there in the los angeles area of l._a. He picked the house next door. No idea <hes> who lived there it was the home of lino and rosemary labianca. Charlie says when they're outside the law bianca home that he'll go <unk> win. He'll check it out. Charlie comes back out gets tex watson. They go in first. They capture leena la bianca the ties la bianca up. Ask anybody else here. My wife's in the bedroom. Then manson welden got tex watson. Susan atkins patricia krenwinkel f- it would beg to go with them. This time charlie tells them go in there. Do what you need to do and he drives off in the car in the lobby. Uncles died as brutally as those the night before bound blindfolded and gay. The crime scene created horrify. If i were the girl's death to helter skelter misspelled had been written in blood on the refrigerator carved and toledo bianca's torso it was one word war. Surely no one could miss that. S in the killing still wasn't over. This was the one murder that manson was personally involved in and how how a jailhouse chat finally brings the nightmare to an end. She said unit who did it. Don't yell will you're looking at her. There were many funerals that week in the summer of sixty nine too many one for the beautiful sharon tate any of hollywood's elite turned out but a funeral despite the fact that was billed as a private family affair families washed the shocking news sir t._v. including the manson family follower barbara hoyt. I remember being scared by that. How do they react to the news. They laughed didn't bother them. At all. Charlie manson thought he'd hoodwink the police for sure that they would think the same people who killed tate eight in the lobby yonkers also killed gary hinman and so they'd free family member bobby beausoleil but even though there was talk to the tate labianca murders might be connected elected to each other police today for but speculate whether these two crimes and been done by the same person no one connected them to the henman case the plan failed bobby beausoleil state in jail and if that wasn't frustrating enough for manson just six days after lubyanka murders more than one hundred sheriff's deputies descended on the family they decide they're going to have a huge raid on spahn ranch. They're gonna arrest everybody in but the rate turned out to be good news for charlie manson because it didn't have anything anything to do with murder. The warrant was for auto theft totally unrelated and even that charge didn't stick manson manson uses this as a great example how powerful he is. They arrested all of us but i used my power in. They're letting us go the l._a. Times ran a small story about the cars after aid along with an article about the tate murders in the lobby yonker each story completely separate but madison was still on edge especially after he found out a ranch and trying to get the family kicked out of spahn ranch coach. Barbara hoyt remembers what happened next. I heard a scream and i bolted up. Is there any way to describe what that sounded by just appear horror. Did you have any idea whether it was a human or an animal <hes> shorty short. I recognize voice. This was the one murder that manson manson was personally involved in and shave with sort of hacked to pieces madsen decided it was time to get out of l._a. Maybe he was feeding the heat from that ray or maybe he wanted an even more remote place to keep his family under his control to him the whole idea. The of control is not just having people worshipping you but having people follow your orders in ways that contradict commonsense that is fleeing being an apocalyptic race war helter skelter. He moved them out to an old homestead called barker ranch over two hundred miles from los angeles now now part of death valley national park s death valley during this war he will lead his family into into death valley where there is a bottomless pit and a city underneath the surface they will go down there and be safe aw he seriously thought there was something beneath e- earth where all of you go and hide and escape the race war rivers of milk and honey money trees with different kinds of fruit barbara hoyt remained loyal to manson until she tells him out in the desert one day she overheard susan susan atkins gleefully describing the murder of sharon tate and suddenly feared for her own life and i knew i had to get out of there so early one morning barbara and a friend to huge risk. We walked out. You walk down. Yeah we walked out into the heat of death valley. They walked from from miles to the nearest ranch said barbara and she eventually reunited with her real family but the rest of the manson family stayed they'd busy in the desert the families up to its old tricks. There's cars stolen. There's different desecration of national monument areas all of of which once again drew the notice of law enforcement during two raids in october. They rounded up most of the family. The last to be captured was manson himself. Hi de under the bathroom sink. He told authorities his name was manson. Charles n aka jesus christ god the charges were auto theft arson. They'd face similar charges before had beaten the rap before but this time something unexpected completely out of manson's control somebody in the family squealed about susan atkins and her role gary henman's murder so oh atkins was moved from a jail near death valley to los angeles. She couldn't stay quiet her. She started sharing this incredible and unbelievable favorable story atkins boasted to a fellow inmate named virginia graham about the sharon tate murders. She said you know who did it. Don't yell and i looked at her and i said no. I don't and her words to me. Were will you're looking at her atkins. Virginia graham every hideous detail even mocking one of her victims. He was screaming help. Help somebody please help me and she said and nobody came and we killed him. Virginia told the cops apparently got the break in the tate case when this girl who's an arrested and talk to his cellmate about the tate killings four months after the tate and lobby on kelly's charles manson and several of his followers were indicted for murder he come to l._a. Seeking fame. I mean he was about to find family hadn't been stopped who might have been next. I elizabeth taylor steve mcqueen and frank sinatra the the day. I don't have any guilt i what i've done is all play banter from a man about to be tried for one of the most notorious killing sprees in american history read. I think mr manson feels that he is a product of our society. The case went to the late vincent bugliosi young prosecutor at the time i i used to have conversations with manson all the time charlie. I said i'm going to convict you. I said but after you get a fair trial tried to flip family members to testify against manson most stayed ferociously loyal even shaved their heads and a show of solidarity we die. We do anything anything for a brother chatty. Susan atkins was supposed to be a key witness. She had bragged about the killings in jail. Then told the whole story to a grand jury channel me how you feel. Then what is the feeling is not but atkins. We can't so julio's. He turned to virginia graham. One of the two fellow jail inmates atkins had confessed to graham told the jury sorry how atkins gidley described the tate labianca murders. There wasn't a sign of remorse of anything in fact it was almost very boastful and atkins vowed. They were just getting started said graham. They had a plan to murder a list celebrities. Was tom jones elizabeth taylor taylor steve mcqueen and frank sinatra they were going to skin him alive and make purses out of it and sell it on hollywood boulevard. Virginia graham's testimony made the front page one of many headlines in the trial that lasted some seven months the jury hearing the charges against charles manson and three girl members of his so-called family brought in its verdict this afternoon all were found guilty of murder in the first degree manson and several members of the family were sentenced to death for the tate and lobby on murders a career making victory for prosecutor vincent bugliosi cozy who was emphatic that the sentence was richly deserved in view of the incredible brutality of these savage nightmarish murders the death penalty unquestionably questionably was the proper verdict in this case then a little over a year later it all changed the california supreme court ruled today that the death penalty liaison constitutional there would be no gas chamber for manson or any of his convicted family members. Do you believe that there should be a death penalty all born to die. I'm going with the definite gas chamber. I believe what i'm totally don't you because of that california state supreme court ruling the sentences were reduced to life in prison with the possibility of parole even manson and that touched off debate that still rages decades later. Can people like these be rehabilitated -tated. Should they ever be released. There are so many reasons why against anthony de maria spent most of his adult life fighting parole the killers if his uncle j. c. bring when somebody says well. I've changed. I've rehabilitated. Will you might have put your victims are dusty in writing and a grave over the past four decades manson tex watson patricia krenwinkel and the late susan atkins who died in prison all had parole here raced each time they were quickly denied but leslie van houten seem to have some hope of being paroled this her hearing in two thousand th really hard to live with the murder houten who's been a model prisoner burn two degrees behind bars runs a self help group for inmates has expressed remorse source for decades. I accept responsibility. I know that what i did is inexcusable in two thousand nineteen and how was recommended commended for paroled pending review the governor but once again her parole was denied much to the relief of sharon tate sister who strongly opposed release. I don't think she deserves it. These people were brutally butchered. There has to be some kind of accountability accountability in this world. They're just simply has to be and it doesn't stop on personal safety and the man behind it all all who so desperately wanted to be famous they took charles manson to a bakersfield public hospital in the final days of his life the same place that treats rich and poor good and evil now the age of eighty three suffering from dementia according to a friend he died in the loving care of the system he so seem to hate. I haven't done anything. I'm shamed of guilty. <hes> i wouldn't do anything after guilty about mentioned that his family still seem to occupy some dark corner of our imagination a moment of time quentin tarantino has reimagined in his latest movie that said jeff green though we can't change history. We can still see charles manson for who he really was. We can't stop would manson. Did we can't stop this thing. If he's notorious let him be notorious for what he is. This horrible sociopath small we used his talents such as they were to become not just a symbol of the loss of innocence or naievety taste but an enduring lesson in how not to be a human being good evening everyone breaking news lester. Are you afraid iran is playing with fire. The most trusted tv news anchor in america here in normandy hundreds ribs gathered to honor the heroes what it means to be american evenings on your local n._b._c. station.

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Helter Skelter Special Part 2

Cherry Avenue True Crime Podcast

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Helter Skelter Special Part 2

"Today's podcast is presented by pod go bad go is the easiest way for you to monetize your podcast providing podcasters with a flat rate for ad space. So you always know how much you get home you include an ad from pod go apply today to become a member and immediately be connected with advertisers that fit your audience that spot go home and be sure to add our podcast in the how did you hear about pug go section of the application? Welcome back to Cherry Avenue True Crime podcast. This is part two of a two-part episode helter-skelter Special. Today's episode contains details of extremely violent murders and other assaults listener discretion is strongly advised. The day after the murders on Cielo drive a couple of people from the family were watching the news on T in a trailer. They saw the people that were murdered the night before were famous. People Van Houten asked Patricia krenwinkel to tell her more about it. Van Houten said in an interview many years later to think that she was strong enough in her belief to be able to go and kill em, she said she wanted to do it to the next day man. Some gathered a larger group Tex Watson Susan Atkins Patricia, krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten Steve Grogan, who was then she called Clem and Linda Kasabian Charlie went with them and he told them where to go Manson went up to the door of the labiancas house with a gun. He forced his way in and tied up the labiancas off telling them. It was just a robbery and he wasn't going to hurt them Charlie went back to the car and told them to go in and do what text told them to be then spoke to tax and told him to make sure dead. Everybody did something. Watson krenwinkel and Van Houten went in Friendly go went into the kitchen and got knives for her and Van Houten Watson was armed with a Bayonet. Text all the girls to take mrs. Labianca into the bedroom Van Houten took a pillowcase from the bed and put it over Rosemary's head. She unplugged the lamp next to the bed and wrapped the cord around the pillowcase Rosemary could hear Leno crying out in the living room as he was getting stabbed. The lamp was still attached to the court and rosemary swung the lamp cord with the lamp in Leslie's direction of an outage knocked the lamp out of her hands and rustled her down krenwinkel stabbed her but hit the collarbone the knife blade bent. Van Houten ran out into the hallway to call Tex Watson went into the bedroom and both he and Van Houten stabbed Rosemary. Labianca, Rosemary. Labianca was stabbed 41,000. Meanwhile krenwinkel was out in the living room stabbing Leno in the abdomen with the carving Fort seven times. Then she stabbed him twelve times with a knife. She was the one to carve War into his abdomen Watson and krenwinkel took showers at the labianca house after the murders. Van Houten drink chocolate milk from out of the refrigerator Helter Skelter was written on the refrigerator with blood but it was misspelled Hilter Skelter h a t a l t e r Leno had a pillowcase over his head as well when the coroner's office took the pillowcase off. They found he had a knife stuck in his neck that went completely through the handle sticking out of one side and the blade out of the other. In the news and on T. The labianca murders were at first being called the copycat murders Hollywood was buying firearms and other forms of production such as guard dogs after first-choice murders and then the lobby Bianca murders Leno labianca was a well-respected family man. He had been married before Rose and had a daughter from that marriage still his daughter Louise said she was a good man and a good father pasqualino Antonio labianca was born in Los Angeles California to Italian immigrant parents. He was called Leno by his family his father Antonio owned to grocery businesses Gateway Ranch markets and state Wholesale grocery company Leno graduated from Franklin High School a year early. He was also a star on his school track team earning him the nickname flash Leno served in the Army and fought in World War Two in nineteen fifty-one. Leno was elected to the board of directors and was named vice president job. Gateway markets and state Wholesale grocery company after his divorce Leno decided to sell the wholesale business that he had inherited from his father and focus on the expansion of Gateway markets. He also graduated from USC with a degree in finance in nineteen fifty-eight labianca met Rosemary while she was working as a waitress the two fell in love and were married in nineteen sixty in Carmel, California Rosemary. Labianca was Leno second wife it seemed they had a special marriage. She was pretty and stylish his daughter from his first marriage said that she thought Rose and her dad were very good friends Rosemary labianca was born in Arizona her birth name was Ruth Katherine Elliott after her parents divorced Rosemary's mother found. She couldn't support her children and they were placed in a home and put up for adoption Ruth was adopted at age eight by a couple who had lost their daughter to an illness. They changed Roost name to Rosemary, which had birth First daughter's name Rosemary was married once before Leno and had two children from her first marriage. August 16th 1969 LA County Sheriff rated spawn Ranch at 6 a.m. They had a warrant to investigate auto theft Manson was the last person arrested him hiding in a crawl space under a building. They took everyone in but eventually all were released because they could not determine who was responsible for the two cars stolen that they had a warrant for. The authorities did not die together the labianca murders with the tape Murders At First and they did not tie Gary hinman's murder to either of them. A detective on the Hinman murder case called the LAPD to tell them he had a murder that he was investigating in Topanga Canyon and he thought there were similarities. He pointed out that Gary Hinman had been killed and then a little piggy had been written in blood at the crime scene. They apparently didn't want to hear it or thought it was unlikely that it was related. Speculation had gone crazy on the Cielo Drive murders. It was incredibly odd to have seemingly random murders committed in such a brutal way in exclusive neighborhood then add in how many people were murdered. This wasn't all by gunshots were one or two Intruders would come in and just shoot them. All these people were viciously murdered up close with knives and other weapons. He would think it would take more than one or most probably more than two to do this. There were many theories that they would have to consider. Because of the horror movie that Roman Polanski did called Rosemary's Baby there was even a theory it was devil worshippers looking at how horrific the crime scene was that wasn't some far-fetched idea the newspaper and TV news theories were endless. Of course, the news was speculation of murders being related to drugs as these were movie people and famous people and even a Harris Roman gave a news conference to try and put an end to the speculation. He said Sharon did not do drugs drink or even smoke cigarettes. He was very hurt by the horrible things written about his wife Roman became a detective in his grief. He wanted to know who was responsible for his wife's and his baby's death after the rated spawn Ranch. The family went back out to the desert a pull up. The girls started sharing what they had done. They told the stories as if proud for what they had done for Charlie Susan Atkins told them how share and had begged for the life of her baby. The other girls did not know about this and they were shocked they were shocked how easily they talked about doing it. They didn't seem bothered that they had done such violent horrendous murders. They told the birth family members they did it for Charlie. Charlie told them to some who thought about leaving before this were now afraid to leave knowing what they knew two of the girls did decide to go though. This wasn't the loving Gangnam that they had signed up for they laid down to sleep further away from everyone. So no one would hear them after they went to sleep. They waited to be sure everyone was asleep and then started walking dead. They headed up to the top of a wash and walked along there about an hour into their walk. They saw that the dune buggies had been started up and they were out looking for the girls and June buggies couldn't go up to the top of the wash, but they were still very scared. They were eventually able to find a road and got lucky when the sheriff was driving by. At some point in the desert during this time text had left no one knew where he had gone. In interviews in the documentary helter-skelter on Epix. One of the other girls said she had wanted to leave but there was nowhere to go for her. Two other male family members left with the gold miner at first the minor was just staying at a small cabin on the ranch in the desert and he hired the two guys from the family to help him go out mining each day while they were out mining this minor talked to them about the craziness of what they were believing and eventually they were ready to go with him instead of Charlie. That was their way out. Not too long after these followers went away the sheriff descended on their hide out in the desert. They loaded up the ones that were left in the pickup trucks. Charlie again was one of the last found hiding in a small van a cabinet under a bathroom sink. They were under arrest for burning the road grader that was out in the desert and had blocked their way. Susan was at first in jail with all the other girls, but then it was discovered. She had a warrant out for her arrest and she was moved to l a while until she gets talking to one of her cellmates song ends up telling her all about the Tate murders and that she was there this led to all of those involved being investigated. It starts to come out in the news how Manson is the leader and most likely The Mastermind in the killings Atkins was indicted in her picture was everywhere in the news as she was the first to tell the story and she readily admitted. She participated in the murders took a lawyer put out a statement that she was hypnotized. She often looked like she was enjoying the attention of the cameras. She smiled at the news men and women and had some indiscernible quips. Authorities were at the ranch looking for evidence of other murders. They thought the family might be involved in. One was Donald shorty Shea a movie stuntman who had met them when he was filming at the ranch. He had a disagreement with Manson and he was missing turns out Charlie thought that she had been the way to turn them in for car theft for which they had all been arrested. The first time the word was that he had been killed and then buried out in the desert Leslie Van Houten and Patricia krenwinkel were also offer dated along with Manson and tex Watson Linda Kasabian was five months pregnant at the time of the indictments. Tex Watson was born Charles Watson Manson gave him the nickname tax tax was well-liked in his small Hometown in Texas. He played High School football and taught Sunday school at copeville Methodist Church. Everyone thought he would do. Well when he grew up Watson was born in Farmersville, Texas on December 2nd, nineteen forty-five and grew up in nearby home till he was the youngest of three children in high school. He was an honor student and an athlete. He also worked as the editor on the school paper in 1964. He attended the University of North Texas where he became a member of Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity. He discovered drugs and college and eventually left without completing his education. Patricia krenwinkel was born on December 3rd 1947 in Los Angeles, California to an insurance salesman father and a homemaker mother. She attended University High School and then went to Westchester High School both in the Los Angeles area. Patricia was often bullied at school by other students suffering from low self-esteem and was frequently teased for being a wait after graduating high school. She considered becoming a nun she decided to attend a Jesuit college, but within one semester Patricia dropped out and moved back to California. She met Charles Manson in Manhattan Beach in nineteen sixty-seven along with Lynette Fromme and Mary Brunner in later interviews, krenwinkel stated that she had sex with Manson the first night she met and that he was the first person who told her she was beautiful Susan Denise Adkins was born on May 7th 1948 in San Gabriel, California. She was the second of three children by her parents were alcoholics her mother died when she was fifteen and her father then abandoned the family she dropped out of high school to support herself and moved by herself to San Francisco in early 1967 while staying with friends Susan Atkins met Charles Manson and by summer they were all on a road trip. Leslie Van Houten was born on August 23rd 1949 in the Los Angeles suburb of Alta Dena. She grew up in a middle-class church-going family along with an older brother and two adopted siblings her mother and father divorced when she was fourteen at Seventeen. She became pregnant and was forced by her mother to undergo an abortion Manhattan's mother years later informed her that the procedure could not be called an abortion as the fetus was too mature. She instructed the girl to bury the late-term aborted baby in their backyard. Van Houten said after the she felt very distant with her mother and Harvard intense anger toward her. Authorities were looking for the bloody clothes that the family members were wearing that night after the murders Manson had told them to take the clothes to change into and they had done that. News reporters found the bloody clothes laying down the hill where the killers had thrown them out the window of the car as they were driving away a gun was also found but months after the killing off wasn't linked to The Killing until many months after it was found. A journalist went out to spawn Ranch and talked to some of the family members who were still there. He got the story about the race Wars and the supposed message from the Beatles about Helter Skelter. He wrote a book called 5 to die and got it out. Just a few months before the trial then in the trial the motive for the killings was said to be the upcoming race horse that Charlie was predicting and that he got the idea from the Beatles album The prosecution did not have to prove what the motive was for the killings just that they did it. Manson during trial and in days leading up to the trial interacted with the press and made quips to them whenever he was being led to and from Court rooms and the cameras were on him. He carved an x on his forehead and had the scab scar during all of this a lawyer said it was a symbolic gesture to say that he had except himself out of society at Large. Some of the girls also X their own foreheads and sat outside the Hall of Justice in support of Charlie. Some said that Charlie was The Puppetmaster even in jail. He had Sandy good and Squeaky Fromme talking for home saying all the good things about him. Ivor Davis journalist who wrote the book five to die was there on the first day of trial and he saw a Squeaky Fromme and she knew who he was and that he had written the book which did not say good things about Charlie. He said that she asked him. Do you know what it feels like to have a sharp knife slipped down your throat. He went right into the courthouse and called his wife and told her to take his one-year-old daughter and leaves house until further notice Linda Kasabian testified against Charlie in his trial. She said she was a lookout during the murders. She was only Twenty-One and already a mother of two. She had only been with the family about a month before the murders the prosecution give her a tentative offer of immunity if she would say on the stand and tell everything that she knew God by this time Susan Atkins had withdrew her previous testimony and denied everything she said before so there was no one from inside the group testifying against Charlie or the others. Linda Kasabian testified to being eyewitness to two of the murders. She said that she and three of the others had just climbed over the fence of the house on Cielo drive when Tex Watson shot a man in a car who was driving out of the driveway. She stayed outside and the rest went into the house. She heard screams coming from inside the house and saw people running out. She stated that was all unbelievably horribly terrible. She saw Watson stabbing one man on the lawn near the house. She also saw Patricia krenwinkel with a knife chasing a woman across the lawn Kasabian change when shown a photo of Stephen parent the teenager who had been shot in his car Kasabian said he had begged not to be hurt. Barbara void left the Barker Ranch sometime after the murders after the family learned that she was going to testify she got death threats from Gypsy and Sandy squeaky and Clem almost daily with Barbara Boyd testified that Susan Atkins had said Sharon Tate came out and said what's going on here or something like that and Susan said back to her. Shut up woman Barbara also said that Sharon was the last to die and had to watch the others go first. Tex Watson had managed to avoid extradition from Texas to California for nearly a year. His lawyer said he couldn't get a fair trial California eventually did have to come back to California for trial but it was after Manson and the girls were tried Gypsy real name Catherine share with Charlie told her to go to Beverly Hills Hotel and to intimidate the lead prosecutor who was staying there. She stood outside his hotel room window with a king snake wrapped around her when he came out. She asked him if he wanted to pet her snake. The defendants in the Manson trial had to be removed from the courtroom repeatedly and put in a room with speakers so they could still hear the trial going on. Manson himself had a complete meltdown and jumped up on the table in front of the judge while wielding a sharp and number two pencil. He told the judge somebody ought to cut your head off man. He started out by injecting the opening testimony saying to the judge you are trying to use this courtroom to kill me. You want me dead the judge told Manson to be quiet. He ordered him to be quiet or he would have him removed. The minute I see you are going to kill me. You know, what I'm going to do said Manson the judge said know, what are you going to do? Manson jumped up on the council table with a pencil and yelled. Mm. How about this? How about his head should be cut off and then he said I will have you removed if you don't stop I have a little system of my own said Manson, he then hurled himself in the money towards the judge the bailiff tackled him in mid-air. The judge said let the record reflect that mister Manson has made a lunge for the bench and is now being subdued by the deputies Manson and the girls were moved to another room with a loud speaker. So they could look up the trial as it continued. The prosecutor had other Witnesses who had been at Spahn Ranch come in to testify they talked about Helter Skelter & Charlie's prophecy that there would be a race war Terry Melcher testified wage. He was the one who had rented the house before Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski. He thought Manson was looking for him and sent the killers to that house for him. He testified that he never offered Manson a recording contract and had thought the music was just average. Brooks Poston and Paul Watkins had left the family while in the desert and started to work for the Gold Miner they both testified for the prosecution as well. While still under Charlie spell Brooks had been told by Charlie to sneak into the sheriff's home and cut his throat post and said that he did not do as Charlie wished. Paul Watkins testified about hearing Charlie talked often about killing Rich whites in the suburbs and making it look like blacks had done it Diane Lake a former family member was scared to testify life scared. She would hear Charlie and he would intimidate her but she was okay and she didn't see him the way that she used to anymore. Manson address the court for 1 hour without notes. The jury was not present. It was said to be like a dissertation about his life. He did say at one point that he had killed no one and that he had ordered. No one to be killed. After this the judge said they would bring in the jury and said maybe Manson wanted to say something to them. He said he had already said it he was not going to testify and he told the girls not to testify off right after the prosecution and the defense rested their case Leslie Van Houten. Lawyer. Ron Hughes disappeared. He had been heard to say that maybe Leslie's caves should be separated from the rest of the families now Manson and the girls were having their trial together, but Tex Watson was not there yet. They were still trying to extradite him. So it was just Manson girls But when Manson heard about the separating of Leslie's case, he became angry Leslie had not been at both murder scenes. She was only at the labianca murder and there was some debate as to how much she participated in those murders four months after Ronald Hughes disappeared. His body was found in a river the attorney who went in to take his place was going to go in and ask for a mistrial for Van Houten when Court opened though a scuffle took place between the girls and the matrons Leslie Van Houten was refusing to have the new guy as her attorney. She refused to sit down in the courtroom and she hit the bailiffs Manson attorney Irving generic went on talking for five days with his summation to the jury. It was 42 hours of deliberation before the jury gave the verdict. Susan Atkins, Patricia, krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten smiled and talked to each other Charles Manson smiled. Then the verdicts were read California conspiracy off. Any member of a conspiracy was equally guilty of any crimes committed by his co-conspirators. Charlie was the obvious head of the conspiracy and that is how he was found guilty on all counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The girls were all found guilty as well. The jurors then had to continue to be sequestered for the penalty phase of trial to decide life or death sentences in nineteen seventy. There was still a death penalty in California Los Manson shaved his head and then the girls shaved their heads Manson also turned the X on his forehead into a swastika. Charlie gave the girls emission they were going to testify and confess and say that Charlie had nothing to do with it Gypsy Catherine share was in jail at the time and one of the girls from the family when a visit her. She put a piece of paper up to the glass and said that she needed to testify and this is what she needed to say. It said read every word. Charlie is going to be in the courtroom not listening to every word you dig Charlie always used to say to them you dig. In the testimonies from the three convicted girls during the penalty phase. They changed their stories from what really happened to blame each other and themselves, but not Charlie so that they could save his life dead. The jury decided on the death penalty the judge gave Charles Manson Susan Atkins Patricia krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten. The sentences. He said for seven senseless deaths some members from the family went to visit Charlie squeaky was one of them squeaky gave asset to the group that was left and told them that Charlie wanted them to show the world how much they loved him. They started around the area of whisky a go-go The Whisky a go-go is an iconic nightclub where many famous rock band started out its near West Hollywood. They crawled all the way from San Diego go to the courthouse. There is film footage of the five of them on the Epix documentary helter-skelter twenty-twenty. They were crawling on the sidewalks and the people all around them looking at them or pointing to them. Catherine shares the police just checked them to see if they had Warren's she was glad she had warrants out for traffic tickets and they took her and Mary Brunner in but the other dog had to keep crawling on. She said that it was okay at first with the acid kicking in but then it became excruciating physically and to be crawling on that cement and four so far. The Manson family was most definitely a cult the kids thought they were in love and peace type family or commune but it was ran like a cult and the people in it had the cult-like devotion. They have loved and complete acceptance at first the love and acceptance from the leader is not conditional like it is in the outside world. At least at first then there is isolation from the outside world. No news or media type influence. Just the leaders influence. No books, except the Bible Charlie goes over the Bible with them. So they know how to interpret it according to him then after a long while there's a period of being treated badly by the leader weather forced sexual encounters belittling someone or physically hurting someone so then the individual is thinking whether consciously or not that they want to get back to that place where they were getting the unconditional acceptance and feelings of love that they were getting before so they are desperate for it and are willing to do anything to get that back to get back to that Tex Watson was eventually tried and was found guilty of seven counts of Murder in the first degree and conspiracy to commit murder. He was sentenced to death dead. All in prison. He became an ordained minister. Bobby bussola was convicted of murder in the first-degree for killing of Gary heinemann and sentenced to death. In 1972, California Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional. Stephen Grogan Clem was convicted of murder in the first-degree for the death of Donald shorty Shea in nineteen seventy-seven. He told authorities where Shorty's body was. He was released from prison in nineteen eighty five five. Mary Brunner got immunity for the involvement in Gary Hinman Murder By becoming a witness for the prosecution Patricia krenwinkel is still in prison. Susan Atkins died in prison in 2009 Leslie Van Houten had a retrial and was given Seven Years to Life on January 30th 2019 during her second parole hearing van hit Van Houten was recommended for parole for the third time. But in June 2019 Governor Gavin Newsom overruled the parole board's recommendation claiming the sixty nine year old Van Houten was still a danger to society and had potential for future violence. She appealed the decision in 2020. She was denied parole again. Charles Manson died in prison in 2017 in the early 1980s Steven K who had worked for the prosecution in the trial teamed up with Sharon Tate's mom Doris long as he Van Houten had somehow managed to get over nine hundred signatures on a petition for her parole together Steven K and Sharon Tate's mom Doris collected over three hundred and fifty thousand signatures supporting them denial of Perl Dora state became a vocal advocate for victims rights for the rest of her life. She campaigned against the parole of each of the Manson killers. Roman Polanski gave away all of his possessions after the murders unable to Bear any reminders of the. That. He called the happiest I ever was in my life took remained in Los Angeles until the killers were arrested in 1979. His film tests was dedicated to Sharon. A quote from Polanski since Sharon's death and despite appearances to the contrary. My enjoyment of life has been incomplete in moments of unbearable personal tragedy some people find Solace and religion in my case. The opposite happened any religious faith. I had was shattered by Sharon's murder it reinforced my faith in the Absurd bird. A separate note. I am aware of the controversy in Roman polanski's Life years after this happened, but I feel it has no place here. I wanted to represent the people as who they were were then when this happened as well as soon after or at least as best as I could based on the information I was able to attain The main sources for this two-part episode are as follows. The main source was the brand new Helter Skelter episode documentary that came out in 2020. It's available on Xbox FX. I'm not sure if it'll be available somewhere else sometime soon, but it's definitely worth watching. It's I believe it's six parts. So it's very long and there's a lot of detail and it really took brings you back to that time. What was going on and a lot of interesting information? Another one was Wikipedia, of course always using Wikipedia for lots of different fact. All that's interesting. Com slash authors Gina tomorrow all that's interesting. Com. Will Jack Folk House Key by Natasha. All that's interesting., Gary Hinman by Katie, Serena. And Jeff guinn author of Manson The Life and Times of Charles Manson mainly as he was interviewed in the epics documentary. Thank you for listening and always be safe.

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S05 Episode 5: When Love Breaks Down (Pt. 2 of 2)

Unexplained

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S05 Episode 5: When Love Breaks Down (Pt. 2 of 2)

"The new podcast in the red clay is about a chance meeting in a small town and unlock the secrets and legend of billy sunday. One of the most notorious figures in american history villas on the bird was a whiskey. Man he was a he was a hit land. he's also my father. Listen on apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your shows You're listening to unexplained season five episode five. When love breaks down part to please note the following episodes contain details of events that some may find disturbing and not suitable for children things had been steadily sliding for susan after the death of her mother from cancer. When susan was only fourteen though in truth they'd been sliding for some time before that susan atkins was born in nineteen forty eight in san gabriel california with one older and one younger brother. Her family moved a number of times. As she was growing up the twat based mainly in san jose superficially at least to outsiders they seemed normal enough later. Susan would claim the young girl. She was sexually abused by a male relative and that both her parents drank heavily by twelve years old. She was shoplifting. Regularly having been brought up to believe in god appearance alcoholism and later her mother's painful and premature death left her angry and resentful. The any god would sanction such things being left to effectively take over her mother's role in the home and having to watch her father drink himself into a drunken stupor. Every night only served to harden her sense of injustice before long she would find to self secretly frequenting the bars on the quieter. Edges of town seeking comfort in the alcohol and company. she found. they're feeling increasingly restless and trapped by her predicament. Her grades at school began to suffer and after being told she would have to repeat. She made the decision not to go back and headed to san francisco despite quickly picking up a job selling subscriptions to magazines her employees neglected to give her a steady wage and before long she was struggling to pay her bills. But something else was beginning to bite a deep and profound sense of loneliness something. She was beginning to realize how dr her whole life one night. Susan attempted suicide by swallowing a bottle of codeine pills claiming later that it was just a cry for help soon after she met a guy and together along with a friend of his they embarked on a road trip to oregon some business he had to attend to the business turned out to be an unspecified heist of some sort rather than being disturbed by the revelation. What susan felt most of all as they sped toward their destination was an intense sense of freedom and the sheer thrill of it. Not long into their journey. However after holding up a number of gas stations. The group were caught by highway patrol officers on the lookout for their vehicle which unbeknownst to susan had been stolen. Susan was given three months in jail for her part in the operation and afterwards returned to san jose a month later she was back in san francisco still searching for somewhere to belong and then she discovered lysergic. Acid diethylamide also known as lsd. It is a mode of all new generations to examine and reevaluate the world left to them by their forebears for nineteen sixty youth in the west. That was a world partly characterized by war and control with its native ability to unravel the mind. Lsd provided the perfect tool to deconstruct this oppressive reality the hallucinogenic drugs when nothing new having long been used by many ancient coaches throughout the world the nature of lsd a synthesized compound of lysergic acid invented in a lab in nineteen. Thirty eight. made it perfect for cheap mass production and consumption susan's first trip was a nightmare. Right taking it in the company at the stranger procured from all sense of the world around her quickly dissolved into wild kaleidoscopic patents and explosions of color before long. All sense of herself began to dissolve to a susan battle. The terror that she might lose herself forever. The stranger did what he could to reassure her reminding her over and over again that she was still susan and that she was not going to disappear a few weeks after this experience susan fell in with barbara and her commune. On the corner of lyon street they warmly accepted by the group. Susan continued to be plagued by that abject sense of loneliness until the day that charlie after listening to him play guitar for the first time. The pat spent the night together a few days later while sat on the curb in haight-ashbury. Charlie attempted to explain to her. The importance of living in the now to live in the now was to be cleansed of the baggage of the past and the expectations of the future. It was pure eight as you could reach and should you ever want for anything he explained. All you have to do is think it and it will be so if you want a quarter for example just visualize a quarter a moment later. Susan washed with utter amazement as a stranger approached holding out a quarter and placed it. Charlie's hand when he asked too late that day to go with him to los angeles. It was if he already knew what she was going to say. Sharon's roman returned to los angeles in early. Nineteen sixty seven after sharon was offered a part in an adaptation. The nine hundred sixty six novel valley of the dolls while roman secured a three pitcher agreement with paramount pictures in hollywood in august roman left for new york to begin principal photography on the first of these three films and adaptation of the ira levin book. Rosemary's baby the film now regarded as one of the finest psychological horror films of all time follows the story of rose marie and two hundred and guy as they prepare for the birth of their first child. When they're eccentric neighbors take an unusually keen interest. Rosemary becomes convinced they're part of a satanic coven intent on stealing it without wanting to give too much away for those who haven't seen it the tortured. Rosemary isn't entirely wrong in her assumptions. At one point. Sharon was considered for the lead role of rose. Marie which was offered in the end to me. A pharaoh does she was disappointed. Nineteen sixty seven was still set to be a big year for her with no less than three movies to release at the end of the year. Much to sharon's further disappointment however all three films the fearless vampire killers eye of the devil and finally valley of the dolls were poorly received both commercially and critically the response left. Sharon who already felt insecure about acting abilities deeply despondent and questioning the state of her career prospects. Meanwhile roman was glowing after wrapping up. Rosemary's baby in december convinced he'd captured something special with sharon turning her thoughts settling down and perhaps having a baby of their own. The couple were married in january the following year and travelled back to europe to spend a honeymoon a few months previously susan charlie and five other young women with speeding down route one inside a black painted bus heading toward los angeles. Halfway down the group pulled over to admire the golden californian coastline and dropped acid together. Doing it with. Charlie was altogether experience from susan's first time in san francisco whereas before she resisted the assault on her sense of self charlie her to embrace it telling her you must die to self in order to become one with the world arriving in later that day the settled into panga canyon an area of the country northwest of santa monica and home to a slew of artists and musicians keen to escape the city over the next few months living off the charity of others. Their lives centered around lsd and marijuana and the ceaseless teachings of charlie imploring them to shed all inhibitions and to forget about yesterday and tomorrow and to live only in the eternal now sometimes it would be the outlines uttered throughout the day other times. Charlie would give long intense lectures to drive home his point urging anyone willing to listen to throw off the shackles of the plastic world even to reject all concept of time since it too was just another meaningless construct and whenever susan threatened to dip into one of her familiar lows whenever that sense of loneliness began knocking at the door. There was charlie to remind her. You up beautiful you perfect and you must learn to love yourself By the spring of nineteen sixty eight. The tide was already turning against the summer of love and the optimism of the flower power generation as their dreams of bringing expanded consciousness to the wider population was already beginning to fade. The war in vietnam continued to drag on and asked the opposition to it became increasingly hostile so to the government's response to that opposition metering out violent retribution too many lead in protest against it in april nineteen sixty eight all the gains of the civil rights movement the assassination of martin luther king junior was a brutal reminder of the segregationist attitudes that continue to underpin much of the nation. Then in june presidential hopeful. Robert kennedy a long time supporter of civil rights who also recognize the folly of assisting with the american vietnam. War was also a saas initiated effectively handing that year's presidential election to richard nixon sharon and roman had dinner with kennedy a few nights before he was murdered. A few days later roman received the distress news that kristof commader who composed the score for rosemary's baby had been involved in an altercation at a house party and fallen off. The edge of the property. Commodore was knocked unconscious sending him into a coma from which he would never wake up dying for months later. Some noticed similarities with the accident and the fate of a character in rosemary's baby a leading some to suggest that perhaps the film was cursed. The couple's marriage was struggling to not helped by the discovery. One night sharon and her friends of a set of unmarked videotapes belonging to roman putting one on out of curiosity. They watched with horror when it became clear that they were tapes of roman having sex with another woman. Sharon turned increasingly to her boyfriend. Jay for support with the pair having remained close. Sin sharon and roman got together. It was that year. Also that sharon began work on the wrecking crew during which he was interviewed by hollywood correspondent decline and reminded of that horrifying night. She'd spent a j.'s house on eastern. Drive back into panga. Kenyan susan's new. Family was growing larger by the week to include a number of men to add to the six women that originally traveled to la with charlie spawned. Branch was the perfect solution nestled in the santa susana. Mountains just fifteen kilometers to the north. The ranch dressed up to look like an old western film set had previously been hired out by a number of films and tv shows by nineteen sixty eight however much like the paint on the various outhouses dotted about the place. Its glory days long since faded when charlie approached branch owner george spahn offering to look after the maintenance of the property in return for his group living there rent free span who was eighty years old at the time and almost completely blind with more than happy to agree that he was apparently offered occasional intimate time with some of the young women who would be living. There only served to sweeten the deal shortly. Before arriving susan discovered she was pregnant fearing it might jeopardize position in the group. She was relieved to find that. Charlie was overjoyed at the prospect insisting that children were the best of them since they were completely pure and uncorrupted by the plastic world likely to to her drug use. Susan gave birth two months premature in october. The baby weighing only two pounds at the time was named ziza's e. c. sat frac life at the ranch was a fairly languid affair consisting mostly of the group sitting around smoking pot playing cards and making love to each other. Everything was shared from clothes to food with dinner often involving the group sitting around large pot of stew and rice and taking it in turns to eat from it and throughout it. All charlie continued his teachings then in november with the release of the beatles white album. The teachings took a darker tone with their new album. Charlie believed the beatles. Were trying to communicate with him directly and it was in one song in particular that they're message was most abundantly clear helter-skelter according to some is a brilliantly frenetic sexually charged blast of proto have rock to charlie however it was nothing less than a coded prophecy signaling the oncoming of an apocalypse. Charlie had already begun discussing the potential for apocalypse. Prior to the album's release putting his own spin on the stories contained in the book of revelations at some point charlie a confirmed white supremacist became convinced that a race war was going to take place in america whereby white americans would fight each other over the treatment of black americans what was left at the white population within be slaughtered by black militants. Charlie's plan was to find somewhere for that group to hide until it was over after which they would merge and subjugate the black population since according to him. They would be incapable of running the country. The book of revelations speaks of bottomless pit from which the fifth angel don will release a plague of locusts onto the world. Charlie who believed himself to be abedin surmised that the group would have to find this bottomless pit. In order to survive the apocalypse and fulfill his prophecy helter skelter would quickly become charlie shorthand for this racist vision and wand began increasingly to consume him and intern seep into his followers. Do you ever have trouble sleeping. One especially spooky podcast keeping you up all night perhaps. Do you ever worry that. You aren't getting all the nutrients you need for your body. To thrive athletic greens. Great tasting multivitamin multi-mineral mate. From the most absorbable form of each ingredient. The takes the guesswork out of knowing what to take off from where what's more athletic. 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The long one storey house was surrounded by tall pines and cherry blossom with much prized view overlooking the canyon down across to beverly hills and all the way to the sparking waters of the pacific ocean about two miles away. Sharon roman nu- the place. Well having attended numerous parties there before a needed little convincing to take it off the market. Sharon was especially taken with the line of christmas lights. That former owner candies strung up across the front of the property lending it a perennial air of festive spirit. Presently it was occupied by a young man who had been staying there temporarily having been living previously with a group of hippies out on an old western movie set caught spahn ranch late february sharon at roman signed the lease and promptly moved in before both taking jobs in europe while they were away. The couple of the placed their friends abigail soldier and check for kofsky late march. The day before. Susan was due to travel to italy to begin work on her latest film. She invited her friend photographer. Chirac her tommy to the property to take some publicity stills of her later that afternoon they were joined for dinner by j vojtech and abigail but some point chirac noticed a shortish looking man with long dark hair and an intense look on face making his way across the front lawn moments later the man drew up to the porch angered by the strangers. Sudden appearance chirac went over to meet him and asked him what he was doing there when the man said he was looking for. Terry melcher chirac informed him that he no longer lived there and promptly sent him on his way as the man walked away. Sharon arrived suddenly to enquire who he was. It's nobody explained chirac. He's just looking for someone who isn't here aside from impending apocalypse. Charlie's other obsession was music specifically the coming of verified recording artist in his own right convinced he was justice talented as any of the other band. Clogging up the airwaves. He made numerous efforts during his time at spahn ranch to secure a record deal at some point. Charlie had worked himself into the orbit of beach. Boy dennis wilson and spent many hours accompanied by susan other members of the group hanging wilson's house. Wilson was sufficiently impressed by charlie. Songwriting the to even appropriated one of his songs court ceased to exist to use as a b side on the beach. Boys single bluebirds over the mountain released into september. Nineteen sixty eight. Wilson recommended charlie to his friend and producer. Terry melcher suggesting that he worked with him on a few tracks after spending a few sessions with him in the spring of nine hundred sixty nine however melchior was unconvinced. His talent about the same time. Charlie was becoming more and more convinced of his own prophecies and move the group to another ranch. Death valley the place where he believed they would find the bottomless pit. That was going to save them from the end of the world. The group now leaning increasingly on new arrival texts turned to dealing drugs in order to pay for the move. Tex a former honor student and athlete had been studying at the university of north texas before he dropped out and found his way to los angeles and eventually spawn ranch one night texas claimed he was ripped off in a drug deal with a man named bernard crow prompting charlie to live out crows home and shoot him returning to spahn ranch. It was clear something shifted in him. He was convinced. The crow was a black panther and that the organization would come looking for retribution. In short this was the beginning of the race war he had foreseen. Time was fast running out and they would need money and protection to survive. Charlie ordered his followers to keep a knife on them at all times and so began the creepy crawling for susan. It was nothing more than utilizing the shoplifting skills she had procured since she was ten years old and so it was in the dead of night or even in the middle of the day she and the others began to tip toe silently in bare feet into the homes of the rich and famous armed with knives as they cautiously hunted for things to steal. Everything was justified because possession was just a state of mind nothing belonged to anyone and nothing was real and if they had to exist in a plastic world that they didn't choose this was the only way to survive. The next step seemed almost inevitable. Gary hinman befriended susan and the rest of the group during their time into panga kenyon. He'd even helped him out often giving them food and money. It was late one afternoon. When charlie approached susan and told her that if you wanted to do something important for the group and their mission she should go to gary house and steal the twenty one thousand dollars he recently inherited and if you really wanted to prove her commitment to the mission she should kill him to that night season along with two other of. Charlie's acolytes bobby and berry drove out to panga canyon and demanded gary gives them. The money will suffer the consequences but gary refused insisting that he didn't have the money taking the lead. Bobby pulled out a gun and tried to shoot him. Only for gary to fight back and eventually wrestled the gun away from bobby but gary wasn't a violent man. He offered the gun back to bobby saying he didn't want any trouble and they should take it and leave knowing they couldn't possibly return to charlie empty-handed susan and mary told to watch gary. While bobby went to coach. Charlie when he arrived an hour later he brought a sword with him and used it to slash the right of jerry's face. It's gary about in agony. Charlie asked the others to make him comfortable but keep him prisoner until he gave up the money by the third day of keeping him hostage. Bobby who had enough. After getting gary to sign ownership of his car to the group bobby stabbed him in the stomach then smothered him to ensure he was dead in a panic. The group tried to make it look as though the murder had been committed by political revolutionaries by writing political picky on the wall and gary's blood by then charlie's group often referred to now as the family but becomes scattered between spahn ranch death valley and a housing canoga park known as the yellow submarine. When news carries murder began filtering back. The more many were shocked and immediately ended their association with the group. Many of the others who chose to stay like susan only became more and more convinced. By charlie's teachings helter skelter was coming and there was nothing any of them could do about it nor was there any reason to fear what was happening guilt like everything else was just an illusion. And when even you are an allusion to is only one and everything is part of it on friday august eighth nineteen sixty nine. La was in the middle of an intense heatwave. Upper sharon and romans home at one hundred fifty cielo drive sharon by now eight months pregnant. Was overseeing the painting of what was to be baby's nursery at the time. Sharon was sharing the house with a gallon. Vojtech who roman had asked to stay on and watch out for her while he was away in london. After going for a swim in the morning. Sharon received a call from roman. Who'd been delayed coming back to la to let her know that he would be returning the following tuesday around five thirty that afternoon. Sharon's ex boyfriend. Jay left his home on eastern drive and arrived at sharon's house a short time later. The pair had been due to attend a dinner party. Sharon's friend sheila wells his house that night but when sheila called about it that afternoon sharon tied out from the heat declined the invitation instead when abigail and feu tech having been out all day returned home at seven j suggested the floor them go to el coyote for dinner trendy restaurant at the time located on beverly boulevard. It just gone when the group arrived home. A little high and drunk with the exception of the pregnant sharon and tired from the long hot day as they approached the property all was dark. Save for a light by the side of the garbage and those bright colorful christmas lights strung out across the front of the house and then the fordham made their way inside earlier. That day susan was lounging around the boardwalk at spahn ranch. When charlie appeared calling for. Linda pat techs and susan. He asked to speak to them individually. Susan watched as he spoke quietly to the others until finally he approached her. It was a simple request to go with tex and do whatever he did. The fourth them each carrying a knife and dressed all in black as per charlie's request piled into a beat up ford galaxie where susan noticed rope and a pair of bolt cutters on the backseat seat. Asking texts where they were heading. He replied to terry melcher his house and with that they pulled out to the ranch and headed off on their way. After getting lost on route the four finally arrived at the base of the steep private road that led towards the house turning into it texas then parked up close to an electricity pole and ordered the others out of the car. The women watched as he took. The bolt cutters climbed up the pole and cut to wires that led out the house at the end of the drive ordering everyone back into the car then parked it at the bottom of the road before getting out and making their way. Beth looked toward the house as they approached. Susan caught sight of a long line of christmas. Lights stretched out across the front of the property and wandered for a moment. What kind of people might live there at the front gate in case it was alarmed. Susan had it toward the fence just to the right putin knife between her teeth and shunted up falling heavily into an ivy bush on the other side dusting herself down. She waited for the others after which they all dropped the hands and knees and just begun crawling toward the house. When a pair of lights flashed across the ground car was approaching. Techs told them to lie down and stay quiet then disappeared into the night. Halt the voice was texas and had come from somewhere out of the darkness in front of them. Then another voice was heard. Please don't hurt me. I won't say anything then. There was a brief pause followed by the sound of four gunshots. Texts returned a few moments later and told the others to follow him as they neared the house. Susan could see the rambler car now parked up in the middle of the drive and the young man slumped dead in the front seat techs reached in and turned off the lights and together. They quietly pushed the car of the driveway turning their attention back to the house. The group continued silently toward it. Arriving at a window techs opened it and crawled inside telling the others to wait where they were a moment. Later hearing the front door open they turn to see techs standing there. Ushering them inside. Susan and pat step softly into the house while linda was told to wait outside. Continuing further in the two women stopped suddenly at the site of tex standing over a couch. Or which a man was lying fast asleep just then. The man began to stir stretched out his arms and slowly opened his eyes. What time is it. Sleepily techs jumped in front of him and held out his gun. Be quiet. 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Female Criminals Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Female Criminals

28:15 min | 1 year ago

Female Criminals Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi Vanessa and I have some exciting news for you every Friday. You'll hear crime bites where you'll get a brief episode on a true crime theme that's related needed to the stories on this show it's hosted by my friend Greg and it's a fantastic listening experience. I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content and to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week in addition to your normal female criminals episode. We're exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals. To help us explore ideas like motivation tation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today we're discussing cases uses of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work and most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination? Psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair you're defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification edification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force is behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators hippie later use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery playing the victim to gain sympathy and undermining a victim's perception of reality through gas sliding so who manipulators target. How do they select the right person to fall prey to the scheme Dr? Harriet breaker identified the most common traits victims of relation possess among them are an eagerness to please low. Self reliance I desire to earn acceptance of blurry we sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen eighteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized its followers and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding fitting. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family were the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string. A brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty Jeanine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families 'cause an exchange Charleston over a few family members is to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family. Member Eligible Bailey so he suggested rested she go along to help persuade Henman but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members. Arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring the Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis this Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held a drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless Eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied when he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner. And Susan Atkins begins held. Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd he'd go to? The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before. I continue with Bobby Psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside site information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses seem tactics. Family members looked to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God. Odd Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand. In the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote political piggy and and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter then. The group left taking head. Men's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick start. Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing link philosophy of peace and love in this next clip. From cults we examine. What are the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies? The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like enlightenment and free love to bind his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Has Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems subjugation as a cult leader Baker had developed a codependent relationship chip with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have has god like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being. With the memory of total dependency cult leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that life depends on pleasing the cult leader and quote and just as as much as the source family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he e and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March of one thousand nine hundred seventy three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly sadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother house. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new believe constantly with an ever expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers the pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years. Here's eventually they're number surged over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy five for some. It was a death as glorious as Baker's Chris Life but for others. It was shocking. WAKEUP call. They realized that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was guiding them to total enlightenment and intern. His followers had blindly obeyed his every whim. But what happens when a criminal delude themselves. US into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest up there victim coming up. We discussed discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation from the violence separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic. The source family criminals have relied on a variety variety of tactics to exert control over their victims but perhaps the most fascinating method of manipulation is one the criminal uses on themselves. Denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self-delusion. The abduction have Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety-two nine year old. Katie was kept in an underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered sexual who abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Zito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker esposito committed his crimes out out of the belief that he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so Esposito convinced himself that showering her with gifts and affection in would make Katie happy and feel loved the Nesper. ZITO's mind he had rescued Katie from her neglectful family. And it was giving your the care and attention. She deserved served but in reality he had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John on would come into the bunker and to give Katie food or a toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her. One clue about big. John's John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then and he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence. He was seriously harming Katie which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism on the other hand when John Zito did finally confess. He blamed aimed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty alty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of sexual predators says one of the most common types of child. Predators editors is the quote fixated child offender fixated child offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away their abuse of children as showing affection they may know their actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides their moral moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie but because he was fixated and felt unable to stop. He tried to convince himself if he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth. Birthday seem like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself. The kidnapping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. Big John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives among John. Busy does victims. Atoms Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days in John Esposito's bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving forgiving him for kidnapping her. She used a variety of tactics to convince US Petito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let interleave grow up. Go to college and have a family. Eventually esposito turned himself into the police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police to the hidden bunker freeing Katie John. esposito eight Oh demonstrated. How criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control but how do they gain a potential victims trust in the first place? Aw In our next clip from serial killers will examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover Harmon. killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to Harmon unstrategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink then once they're guard was completely down he savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time. New Confidence fueled old Harman's bloodlust so when he met seventeen year old wilhelm shelter at Hanover Station in one thousand nine hundred eighty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approach the boy by now. Harmon had a practice routine for finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer. Searching for vulnerable boys shoots was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman. Harmon had impersonated a police officer and pretended to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles. He offered shilpa place to stay into warm meal. She'll say eagerly eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of frank just weeks prior earlier harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact. He had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord. Lord a widow named Elizabeth Angle but harmon had long ago explained ankle that he was very particular about cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother other attendant for keeping US room tidy. Besides harmon was charming angle liked him his charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner harmon was always able to get close to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask US victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming from a police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. Will he needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy. According to Harman he didn't always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance harmon pounced. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack. Sunk his teeth into Schultz's Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice a sharp spike in the number of missing in boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from his victims started popping up around town in rivers and fields. When Harman was arrested police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them? He sold off their possessions for extra cash in the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall every parted Fritz? Harman's interaction with this victim served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to kill them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate elaborate rather their manipulations are encouraged by their own. Delusions our final clip from female. Criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found the one in Lieu. Louison may carried on serious affair for the better part of nineteen eighty two. But Louis concerned earned by some Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention at affection. She also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to US wife. Diane was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised devised a plan to win. Lou Back if she made herself a victim he would have to come back to her to save her sadly she involved her three a young children in the plot making them victims as well. One Night Diane took the kids out for a drive then. She staged the violent carjacking on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Doug Welsh interview Diana at McKenzie Willamette Hospital. Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route that was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk River. shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her stop the car. Diane got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys when she refused the man snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away. The hospital parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch blackout. And why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being right handed is shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him not three sleeping children and end quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh the man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski. The Mask I. She said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality disorder. Like Diane the nest is going to take over on the psychology here and throughout throughout the episode. Please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr Mark. Mark d griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance her facilitate their dramatic attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took diane instatement. Doctors fought to save three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high high stakes now with children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however her or attempts to manipulate investigators and her increasing desire for their attention exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. He's down her oldest daughter. Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered it was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals in our clips today utilize different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain in control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John esposito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her we. We also saw that. These manipulators chose their victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by. Dr Breaker John. esposito stick victim was not only a child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults for many of Fritz Harman's victims were runaways vulnerable to any small small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to his followers who looked to Baker for guidance and enlightenment in the end and they all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast crime bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week. Equip the new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate nurturers. Why did they sometimes hurt the ones they love most even their own children? If you'd like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full simply search for our podcast original shows crimes of Passion Colts hostage serial killers or female criminals on spotify. Not only to spotify already. have all your favorite music. 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Hostage Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Hostage

27:54 min | 1 year ago

Hostage Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. In addition to your normal hostage episode were exploring the most fascinating fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas. Here's like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find the original episodes of these for for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals used to deceive coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist. Harvey Saint Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that be taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving moving force behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics ticks manipulators use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gasoline. So who do manipulators target. How do they select the right person to fall prey to the scheme Dr? Harriet breaker identified identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please low self reliance I desire to earn acceptance the blurry sense of identity and fear of disapproval in our clips today walk through a variety of crimen leaders and see how they identify these traits rates victims. We'll start with a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized its followers and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family eight to do his bidding. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family were the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer up sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil Oh Soleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed but the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles else figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family. Member Eligible Bailey. So so he suggested she go along to help persuade Henman but ella jo asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent and she later said that she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring to Henman's apartment instead Charleston. Family members Bruce Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held a drug dealer up at gunpoint. While the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman and told them he'd go to. The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to we do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology. Please note that. I am not unlicensed psychiatrists or psychologists but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism People can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access vest to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses seem tactics family members. I looked at Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their your trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand in the dying man's blood to draw on the wall. He wrote political piggy. You and then painted a pawprint Charles had instructed bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death breath would heightened racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter then. The group left taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson family Gary Henman's murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was in opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace. And love in this next clip. From cults we examine. What are the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies? The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom and exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency agency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's crowing ego in Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst psychoanalyst Daniel Shaw points out in his book traumatic Narcissism Relational Systems of subjugation as a cult leader. Baker had developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain the lives of their children. Children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the life depends on pleasing the cult leader and quote an in just as much as the source. Family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead ed he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. Affection in March of Nineteen seventy-three. The fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House. It's a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead into deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother. House business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment meant but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. Our he began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers followers. The pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next x two years. Eventually their numbers surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii I baker or father yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in one thousand nine hundred ninety five for some. It was a death as Gloria says Baker's life but for others. It was shocking wakeup call. They realized that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was is guiding them to total enlightenment and intern. His followers had blindly obeyed his every whim but what happens when a criminal delude themselves selves. into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest of their victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation from the violence and separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic of the source family. Criminals have relied lied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims. But perhaps the most fascinating methods of manipulation is one the criminal uses on themselves. Dell's denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage. We cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety-two nine year old. Katie was kept in an underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered separate sexual abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Esposito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his is crimes out of the belief that he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so esposito convinced himself. That showering her with gifts. Defection would make Katie happy and feel loved the Nesper Zito's mind. He had rescued Katie from her neglectful family. And it was giving her the care and attention unsheath deserved but in reality he had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker and to give Katie food or a toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence since he was seriously harming Katie. Which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism on the other hand when John Esposito did finally confess? He blamed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation that fall somewhere between extreme denial and willful awful cruelty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of sexual predators. Says one of the most common types of child. Predators is the quote fixated child offender fixated child offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development element and rationalize away. They're abusive children as showing affection. They may know their actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides hides their moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated and felt unable to stop he tried to convince awesome self he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seemed like like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself that kidnapping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim victim. Big John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives among John. ESPOSITO Zito's victims Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days. Inchon Esposito's bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her she used a variety of tactics to convince Esposito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved here. He let her leave. Grow up go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO turned himself into the police though. It's unclear if he was motivated. Audited by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police to the hidden bunker. Freeing Katie Jonah's honest. zito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control. But how do they gain a potential victims trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers. We'll examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover. Harman killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four. All between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims comes in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Runaways this made them especially vulnerable all to harmon strategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink that once. They're guard was completely down on. He savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time new confidence suffused Harman's bloodlust. So when he met seventeen year old Wilhelm Shilpa that Hanover Station in nineteen twenty three four weeks after killing Fritz Frank thinker. He couldn't help but approach the boy by now. Harmon had a practice routine for finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise is a police officer. Searching for vulnerable. Boys shoots was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman. Harmon had impersonated a police officer and pretended to lend a sympathetic ear to the boys troubles. He offered shelter place to stay into warm meal. She'll she'll say eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of frank just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact he had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to to the landlord a widow named Elizabeth Angle but harmon had long ago explained angle that he was very particular about his cleaning habits and she saw no the reason to bother a tenant for keeping room tidy besides Harmon was charming angle liked him. His charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte Tsa into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner Harmon was always able to get close to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations. Sounds harmonised specially like to ask victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming from a police officer but Harman's true goal was anything thing but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy. According to Harman he didn't always feel of violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question this show his disappearance harmon pounced. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack. Sunk his his teeth into Schultz's Adam's apple this episode of serial killers killers further details Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice the sharp spike in the number burrup missing boys at teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from his victims started popping up around town in rivers and fields fields when harmon was arrested. Police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions for extra cash. Rush at the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall? Every part of Fritz Harman's interaction with victim served a purpose from where he hunted did to how we approach them to be killed them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate. Rather their manipulations are encouraged by their own dilutions. Our final clip from female criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life live. She finally thought she found the one in Lewiston. Maine carried on a series of fair for the better part of nineteen eighty. Two but Louis was concerned by some Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention affection. She also lied about everything. Spinning whatever stories necessary very to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to wife. Diane was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised a plan to win back. If she made herself a victim he would have to come back to her. Just save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night. Diane took the kids out for a drive then she she staged of violent carjacking on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. -tective Doug Welsh Interview Diane at McKenzie Willamette Hospital Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer the route that was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk Doc River. A shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her stop the car. Diane got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys his when she refused the man snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended the throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch blackout. And why are the kids fatally or near ear fatally wounded and she being right handed is shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh. The man was bushy-haired then said that he wore wore a ski mask. I she said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality disorder. Like Diam. The Nest is going to take over on the psychology here here and throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. But she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr Mark. D Griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate their dramatic attention seeking behavior in this case ace with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana adjusted her story to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought to save the three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with our children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however however her attempts to manipulate investigators and increasing desire for their attention exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions ultimately timidly one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered it was her testimony. At Diane's trial trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals in our clips today utilize different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tact accept play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Lee Center ex-boyfriend John Zito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that. These manipulators chose their victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. ESPOSITO's ESPOSITO's dictum was not only a child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults for many Fritz. Harman's victims were runaways. Vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to his followers who looked Baker for guidance. Sunday night meant in in the end. They all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast. Crime Bites we hope you enjoyed this episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate nurturers. Why do they sometimes hurt the ones they love most? I even their own children. If you'd like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full simply search for our podcast. Original shows. 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Crimes of Passion Bites: Psychological Manipulation

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Crimes of Passion Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi It's Laney. I have some exciting news for you. Crimes of passion is now airing episodes twice a week. Every Friday you'll hear crimes of passion Shen Prime Bites. Were you'll get a brief episode on a true crime theme that's related to the stories on this show it's hosted by my good friend Greg and it's a fantastic listening the experience. I hope you enjoy it. Welcome welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. In addition to your normal crimes of passion episode were exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime. Prime World really is. You can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used. We'll be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive of course and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses is aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage wjr cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force behind criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over for their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim victim to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gas lighting. So who manipulators target. How do they select the right white person to fall PREY TO THE SCHEME DR? Harriet breaker identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please low self reliance desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today we'll walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with the a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cope leader Charles Manson radicalized its follow worse worse and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles House learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased at thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs six were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund. The families families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly clearly attracted to Manson family member. Eligible Bailey. So he suggested she go along to help persuade men but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent she later said she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring Henman's Henman apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer. Taylor up at gunpoint while the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment mint. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money. Any while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he'd go to. The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before four. Continue with Bobby Psychology. cleese note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise above all Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses same tactics family members. Look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he was the reincarnation carnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word word bobby readily obeyed. He stabbed Henman than dipped his hand in the dying. Man's blood to draw on the wall. He wrote political piggy and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group black taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering bring the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people people all in a bid to kick start. Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals medals of the Hippie era instead. They capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace and love in this next clip from colts. We examine Zaman one of the most iconic psychedelic colts. One thousand nine hundred seventy s the source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. I was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation education as a cult leader Baker had developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have has god. I'd like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the lyft fifty pens unpleasing the cult leader and quote and just as much as the source family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According waiting to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March of Nineteen seventy-three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find the second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home in the hills near the source restaurant. It was significantly -nificant smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother other house. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. Am am meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but another ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly constantly with an ever expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers the pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years. Eventually their numbers surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy five for some. It was death as glorious as Baker's life but for others. It was a shocking wakeup call. They realized is that for years. Baker had manipulated them but leaving he was guiding them to total enlightenment and intern. His followers had blindly obeyed his every every whim. But what happens when a criminal deludes themselves into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest up there victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation from the violence and separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming assuming codependent dynamic of source. Family criminals have relied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims. But perhaps the most fascinating dating method of manipulation is one the criminal uses on themselves denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety two nine year old Katie was kept in an underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Esposito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his crimes out of the belief that he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home. So I'm convinced himself. That showering her with gifts and affection would make Katie happy and feel loved. BANESPA ZITO's mind. He had rescued. You'd Katie from her neglectful family and it was giving you the care and attention. She deserved but in reality he had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker and to give Katie food or toy and then suddenly the blank look look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence. He was seriously harming Katie which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism. Awesome on the other hand when John Pazuto did finally confess. He blamed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation explanation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds. Signs of sexual predators says one of the most common types of child. Predators is the quote fixated child offender fixated child. L. Defenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away. They're abusive children as showing affection. They may no their actions are wrong. But their fixation on children overrides their moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated and felt unable to stop he tried to convince himself he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seemed like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself that kidnapping napping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as is a helpful male role model in their lives. Among John esposito's victims Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers the hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days in John Esposito Dido's bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her. She used a variety of tactics to convince US Sposito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let her leave. Grow up go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO ESPOSITO turned himself into the police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led ed the police to the hidden bunker freeing Katie John esposito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control. All but how do they gain potential victims trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers. We'll examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover harmon. killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young met he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to harmon strategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food food and drink then once they're guard was completely down he savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time new confidence. Fueled Harman's bloodlust. So when he met seventeen year old wilhelm she'll TSA at Hanover over station in one thousand nine hundred eighty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approach. The boy by now. Harmon had a practiced routine for finding finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer. Searching for vulnerable boys shoots was a young writer who had just is to run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman Harman had impersonated. A police officer pretended to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles bulls. He offered shelter place to stay into warm meal. She'll say eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of Franca just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact he had been scrubbing the place with harsh harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord. A widow named Elizabeth Angle but harmon had long ago explained angle angle that he was very particular about cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother attendant for keeping US room tidy. Besides harmon was charming angle. I liked him. His charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner harmon was always able to get close. WHO's to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask his victims about their families? This line of questioning seemed reasonable bill. Coming from a police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy according to Harman he he didn't always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte Ah. His answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance Harmon pulsed. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack sunk his teeth into shelters Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details. Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice the sharp spike in the number of missing boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones sounds from his victim started popping up around town in rivers and fields when harmon was arrested. Police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions for extra cash at the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall every part of Fritz? It's Harman's interaction with his victim. Served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to how he killed them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate rather their manipulations are encouraged by their own delusions. Our final clip from female criminals covers convicted murderer diane downs. Diane grew up in a strict religious household. Feeling unloved loved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found the one in Louison. They carried on a serious affair for the better part of nineteen eighty two. But Louis concerned by some of Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention and affection. She also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to wife. Diane Ryan was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised a plan to win. Lou Back if she made herself a victim he would have to compactor her to save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night Diane took the kids out for Dr then. She staged a violent carjacking on on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Welsh interview Diana at McKenzie Willamette. Hospital Welsh was the responding officer officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route. That was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children grin down old. Mohawk road deserted country road near the Mohawk River. shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her. Stop the Car Diane. Dan got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded. She gives him her keys when she refused. The man's snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch black out. And why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being right handed shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quipped. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. And she told Welsh. The man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski mask I. She said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two do then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder. SORTA like Diane. The ness is going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. But she has has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr. Mark d griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate their dramatic and attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story. Sorry to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought to save three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story she. He had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with their children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however her attempts to manipulate investigators and her increasing desire for their attention exposed exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered. It was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals that are clips today utilize is different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics at play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John zito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers affection and even to saving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that. These manipulators chose victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. ESPOSITO's dictum was not only a child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults. It's many a Fritz Harman's victims runaways vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to its scholars who look to Baker for guidance. Enlightenment in the end they all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast. Crime Bites we hope you enjoyed this episode episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate Smitten nurturers. Why did they sometimes hurt the ones they love most even their own children? If you'd like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full full simply search for our podcast original shows crimes of passion colts hostage serial killers or female criminals on spotify. Why not only to spotify already all your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? 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"Young Charlie by Hollywood and crime contains depictions of violence and is not suitable for everyone. Please be advised on December fifty nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine. Los Angeles grand jury sat in Somber Silence as it listened to Susan Atkins describe what went on at Cielo drive live in the early hours of August ninth while Tex Watson held a pistol on white tech for cousy in the living room. Susan wandered around the House through an open bedroom door. She saw Abigail folger's sitting in bed. Reading a book Abigail looked over at her and smiled assuming she was a guest of Sharon's. Susan smiled back and continued down the hall inside another bedroom. She saw JC bring sitting at the edge of a bed. Sharon was is lying on the bed. Is the two talked quietly. When Susan returned to the Living Room Techs told her and Patricia Krenwinkel to gather everyone brandishing their knives. Susan took charge of Sharon and see bring while Patricia God Abigail when they were all in the living room. Tex ordered the two men in two women to lie down on their stomachs in front of the fireplace. Can't you see she's pregnant protested. Seib ring and that's when tax shot. JC JC bring in the stomach Hollywood and crime is brought to you by Madison Reed be honest. When's when's the last time you got your hair colored. If you've been putting off getting your hair done because of the time and expense of going to this lawn I get it for decades. Women women have only really had two options for colouring their hair that salon trip or unreliable outdated at home colour but not anymore four crafted in Italy by Master colourless. Madison Reed is professional hair color. You can easily do at home. This is multi tonal ammonia own your free hair-color with ingredients. You can feel good about and women love the results they get with Madison Reed Gorgeous Shiny multidimensional healthy the. 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Dennis might be the other beach boys don't shares enthusiasm and whatever taste they have for the scruffy wannabe is only compounded by their occurring medical costs of treating his followers frequent venereal diseases. The Record Company even receives bill for dental work done on Susan Atkins. Teeth when Dennis arranges recording session at brother Brian's home studio. It doesn't go much better than Charlie's earlier. Attempts Charlie arrives with a guitar and several family girls exuding an air of entitlement. Brian has no interest in attending the session and his wife Maryland is put off by the filthy young women's nonstop use of the bathrooms at one point Charlie early frustrated by the constant technical demands pulls a knife on the recording engineer the engineers the session and reports the incident to brother records execs but Charlie leaves with the professionally produced tape convinced a recording contract is now inevitable by now even Dennis us knows better though he does think Charlie's newly recorded ceased to exist as potential for some time now. The drummer has been eager to put more of his own stamp on the beach boys music. Maybe with some work ceased to exist might find a slot on the upcoming album over the summer of nineteen sixty. Eh Charlie's band of strays gains a few more members teenaged brooks. poston is a welcome mail edition especially since it contributes his mother's credit karn to the family coffers and one day while Hitchhiking Dennis Wilson is picked up by a lanky twenty two year old Texan in a pickup truck as is his habit. Dennis invites Charles Denton Watson back to his house. Watson is immediately impressed by the man sitting on the floor guitar in hand and surrounded by a half dozen young women. Charlie greets the Texan as if they are old friends then goes back to playing soft tune. Watson feels was instantly at home as if this encounters fate charlie is always looking for male recruits to add muscle and technical skills to his group and techs as they soon start calling him is a perfect fit tex is always willing to do what Charlie tells him to. Sharon Abigail screamed when Tex Watson Shot J. C. Bring Techs told them to shut got up and instructed Susan to tie Vojtech for counties hands with a towel then he took the nylon rope they brought and tied it around the wounded see brings neck he threw through the other end around a ceiling beam and tied it around. Sharon and Abigail necks pulling it tight so they would have to stand up or else choke then techs announced to his victims that they were all going to die and ordered Susan to kill for Hausky but VOJTECH had gotten his hands free from the loosely tied towel and fought back. Susan now claim that in the struggle for cousy had somehow gotten behind her and was pulling her hair. She stabbed at him but she said she couldn't be certain she'd struck him. Uh for cow ski broke free and made it to the front door before text reached him struck him on the head several times with the butt of the gun vojtech stumbled through the adore and fell down on the lawn and tex pounced on him stabbing him over and over until he stopped moving at this point in Susan's recitation tation. One of the jurors asked to be excused court recessed for a while so the jurors could compose themselves Susan's matter-of-fact description of the horrors at Cielo drive seemed to be getting to them though the recording session did not go was Charlie hoped he's elated to hear that Dennis plans to put cease to exist on the upcoming beach boys album and whenever is la he regularly hangs around with Denison SNL friends talent Scout Greg Jacobsen and record producer Terry Melcher Charlie even accompanies them one night as Dennis drives Terry to his home on Cielo Viele drive in Benedict Canyon. He's disappointed not to be invited into the house however confident the days of celebrity invitations are ahead of him once's geniuses recognized the release of one of his tunes on a beach boys album might be just the pushy needs but the families stay at Dennis. Dennis Wilson's log cabin mansion is coming to an end ambivalence is finally creeping into Denis's perception of his long-term guest perhaps influenced by his his brothers outright antipathy. He still finds Charlie provocative. Even compelling figure and a musical collaboration might hold promise but the bills incurred by his house guests continue adding up increasing dramatically when a family member rex Dennis's Mercedes all told the summer of Charlie Charlie has cost the beach boys in the neighborhood of one hundred thousand dollars far more disconcerting as Charlie's penchant for waving a knife around in a threatening manner his expression might easily dissolve into an only kidding Bryn but denison too much of Charlie's Darker Moods he decides to use his leases is exploration as an excuse to break or at least loosen his tie Charlie and hangers on he takes place in Malibu too small to accommodate the family removing any items from Dennis House. They deemed there's Charlie and his followers leave to complete the migration to spawn ranch. It might not afford Lorde the luxuries inconveniences Dennis Wilson's palatial log cabin but spun ranch has decided advantages over the sunset boulevard location thirty thirty miles from downtown. La The ranch is close enough to provide for the families necessities yet isolated enough that they will be under Charlie's exclusive influence. Excuse though his adherents might not recognize it Charlie sermons incorporate more than a little of the fire and Brimstone of the Nazarene Church attended with grandmother. Nancy women are put here to serve me though it's unlikely Nancy's minister or congregation would approve the serving serving to include whatever sex charlie dictates with whom every chooses but Charlie tells them. It's only breaking down the ego with its societally constructed walls that can truly be free when the woman leaves the ranch to go scrounging for food and supplies. One of the men must always accompany them. The girls aren't allowed to carry money not so much as a dime for a phone call as Charley sees it much of what's wrong with society is due to the increasing influence of of women of course Charlie's ideas on society are as mutable as his mercurial expressions and quavering vocals when he preaches Lavin of an acceptance before beating married to the ground with a chair it only seems contradiction since Charlie's perfect and the appearance of sin on his part art is only a measure of your imperfection and when he lovingly places that tab of LSD on your tongue enlightenment is your responsibility did the master can put you on the path. It's up to you to get to your destination. All you need to know is that all roads begin and with Charlie you have no mother no father but Charlie in the wilderness of spahn ranch there is only one voice and it's Charlie's it was only when JC bring bring started moaning that the killers realized he was still alive after finishing off Vojtech for cow ski on the lawn text return to the house and stabs see bring in the back until he stopped making noise by now. Sharon was struggling with the rope and Abigail had freed yourself and run to the door. Patricia grabbed turn struggle to keep her from getting out of the House Sharon Beg Susan to let her go so she could have her baby. Susan pushed her back to the couch and said woman. I have no mercy for you text turn to Susan and told her to kill Sharon though she had bragged to her civil brand cellmates that she'd murdered murdered Sharon. Susan now told the grand jury she couldn't go through with it that texts came back to the couch and stab Sharon to death while Susan held her arms the next next thing she knew Susan said Abigail soldier was on the lawn with tech standing above her stabbing her when he'd finished with her he went over to for cow ski and kicked him in the head to make sure he was dead then text turn to Susan and told her to write something on the walls and the victim's blood Susan took the towel she'd used is to bind for Caskey's hands and return to Sharon's body. Suddenly she stopped hearing something. Strange gurgling sounds were coming from inside. Sharon's chest like blood flowing into the body out of the heart Susan Atkins then told the hushed jury she had thought about cutting outing the dying baby from Sharon's body but didn't have the courage what a beautiful gift it would have been to present Charlie who loved children then she dip the towel and Sharon's blood in wrote pig on the front door trying to drink more water liquid. Ivy Is the fastest most efficient way to stay hydrated plus. It gives you an added bonus vitamin. C B Three B eighty five b six and B twelve. I take liquid. IV A lot when I'm traveling because I need that boost that comes from being super hydrated knowing I'm. I'm getting all of those vitamins in a nice bonus all liquid. 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Never Ver- learn not to love though Charlie immediately recognizes it as his own ceased to exist not only has Dennis Wilson renamed it. He's changed the lyrics though they talked about reworking the arrangement. Charlie explicitly told dentist not to tamper with his words to cap the indignity. The beach boy has credited himself as sole writer. The song performs poorly and quickly disappeared from the chart so hello Charlie can't even claim bragging rights on a successful single still he needs Dennis for his access to producer Terry Melcher whom Charlie is beginning beginning to feel is his last hope better according contract any desire for revenge against Wilson needs to be restrained. Charlie isn't the only song writer whose material appears that winter after hearing their newly released white album and early nineteen sixty-nine Charlie L. E. is more convinced than ever that the Beatles are reaching out to him through hidden meanings in their lyrics. If they haven't yet responded to the letters telegrams and phone phone call attempts he or the family made it's because they already know he's gotten the message. There is a luminous sphere of kinship. All prophets fits share in Charlie's imagining the Beatles of the four angels predicted in the book of revelation loosed upon the world to slay third of mankind and chalk doc is the fifth angel destined to rule the bottomless pit in anticipation. Charlie has already brought a portion of his people to a remote area of Death Valley accessible only by horse or four wheel drive vehicle. When several months earlier family member Kathy Gillies told him about her grandmother's is property the Myers ranch it was as if fate were again speaking to Charlie the nearby Barca property even more baron afforded ended up perfect base from which to search for the entrance to the pipped. Those spahn ranch remained convenient for Charlie's frequent trips to pursue his musical career. Barker had a logistical advantage. Charlie thought spot-on wasn't isolated enough the ranch had frequent visitors either tourists gawking at the western sets or bikers coming to hang out with the girls and it was easy hitchhiking distance to Los Angeles should a family member decide to leave the fold barker afforded an environment suited for little more than work and survival and taking in the wisdom Charlie had to impart and there is much to impart as Charlie dissects every lyric in the Beatles latest album blackbird foretells the rise of the black man to overthrow overthrowing the white establishment piggies revolution one is the Beatles implicit endorsement of the apocalyptic war to come revolution nine with its cacophony of loops and overdubbed is an explicit nod to the ninth book of Revelation Predicting Armageddon and when helter skelter 's raging invokana screams about getting to the bottom and back to the top. It's talking about the families reemergence from the bottomless pit to rule the world. The Beatles needles are setting the stage. The white album isn't just music. It's prophecy and Charlie's album will be its fulfillment. Once it's released the revolution will begin when Terry Melcher finally agrees to come out to spawn ranch to hear Charlie songs it. It isn't merely an audition. It's an earth changing event. After murdering the five people at Cielo drive the killers change in the car as they drove away through Benedict Canyon. Susan Atkins told told the grand jury that they threw the weapons and bloody clothes out the window at different spots along their route at one point. They stopped to wash the blood off them with a garden hose but a man. Dan came charging out of the house and chase them to their car. He tried to reach into grab the ignition key but texts gun the engine and they sped off when they reached sunset Boulevard Boulevard they found a gas station and stopped briefly to check themselves for more signs of blood when they arrived back at Spahn ranch at about two. Am Charlie was waiting for them. He asked why they were back. So early. Texts reported it had all come off perfectly. Though there was a lot of panic it sure was helter skelter he said always eager for Charlie's approval then Susan clean some drawing blood off the car door or handle and steering wheel with Iraq when Bouillaud see asked how she felt about what she had done. Susan replied I felt as though I kill killed myself. I felt dead. I feel dead now and then she and the other killers went to sleep everything is plan plan to the maneuvres detail long before the record producers arrival. Charlie's dressed in his new buckskins tailored to perfection by the girls loving hands. He's bathed and trimmed his hair and beard the family men of cleaned. The Western set in special food runs been dispatched so the women can bake fresh cookies as in cakes. Terry Melcher will be the guest of honor at a command performance. How can we fail to recognize Charlie's genius only Melcher never shows nor does he even have the respect to call and cancel the front is only compounded by its being witnessed by by the worshipful flock. How could Charlie Prophet of the coming age of helter skelter have failed to see this looming catastrophe. How can this follow his continued continued to take him seriously. It's enough that he's been rebuffed by producer. After producer enough that patrons like Dennis Wilson and Neil Young have failed to yield yield results but Terry Melcher was beginning to seem like the last chance for Charlie's vision to be realized the twin tracks of impending race war and in Rock superstardom present no great contradiction to Charlie or his followers will helter skelter be initiated by Charlie's emerging celebrity or subsumed assumed by it but if all roads lead to this moment how has it not been foreseen by the Prophet and if the family sees sees his vision falter in this worldly enterprise. How will they keep faith in his leadership through Armageddon. Charlie decides sides to take a trip to ten thousand fifty Cielo drive the grand jury reconvened leaned following the noon recess and prosecutor. Bouillaud see questioned Susan Atkins about the events of the following night August tenth satisfied that they had put some in fear into the establishment she told Jurors Manson and six family members piled into the car and drove to La in search of more victims this time time Leslie Van Houten and Stephen Grogan came along they stopped briefly at one residence and Charlie looked through the window seeing photos of children he he returned to the car though he explained that at some point it might be necessary to kill children as well they continue driving around in Susan Zim fell asleep when she woke up they were in front of the Law Bianca home her only association with the residents was that they had once been at an LSD party at a nearby nearby house. Susan said she fell asleep again. After Charlie got out of the car but remember he was carrying a gun. When she awoke Charlie was back. He said he'd tied the people up and they were very calm. It was important not to tell them they were going to die that had been Texas mistake the prior night which caused so much panic and disarray then he ordered Tax Patricia endlessly to go into the House and paint a picture sure more gruesome than anybody had ever seen. Charlie has no plan beyond convincing Terry Melcher to fulfill his promise to give him an audition as he walks up the driveway of the Benedict Canyon Property On march twenty third one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. He contains his rage at the record producers disdainful. No show at Spahn ranch deciding that charm is the best approach before he reaches the main house. A man comes out the front door demanding to know what Charlie is doing there. When Charlie says he's looking for Terry Melcher the the name doesn't seem to register. This is the Polanski residents. The man informs him. Maybe the person he wants his in the guesthouse. It's then that a beautiful young woman steps out onto the porch to see what's going on the two of them make eye contact from a few feet away this beautiful woman and the unkempt wandering Minstrel then Charlie turns down the past to the guest taps Rudi altobelli owner of this this yellow Dr Properties in the shower when here's the loud knocking when he opens the front door he recognizes Charlie immediately. They've met before Dennis Wilson's house. This Dennis even played one of Charlie's tapes for Altobelli who listened politely and responded. noncommittally Charlie seems to recall that occasion as well and the fact Altobelli isn't entertainment business manager as soon as he's informed that Melcher is no longer leasing the residence. He tries to turn the conversation to himself often his fledgling career but Altobelli has a plane to catch him little interest in engaging with the scruffy wannabe. He excuses himself and Charlie takes his leave. We've Charlie instructed tax PAT right and Leslie to Hitchhike home after they were done killing the law Bianca's then he and the other family members drove off Charlie had taken a woman's purse from the home and they stopped at a gas station in colored area where Linda placed it in a bathroom. The hope was a black person would find the purse use the credit out of cards and be blamed for the murders. It was only the following morning that's Susan learned from Patricia Krenwinkel what had happened inside the house this time. They hadn't brought weapons so they took knives from the kitchen. Pat and Leslie took Rosemary Labianca into the bedroom and left tax in the living room with Cellino. When Rosemary heard the sounds of Lino being stabbed to death in the other room she started screaming. Pat began stabbing her rosemary. Rosemary fought back and Leslie held her down. According to Pat Rosemary was fighting all the way up until she died pat told Susan she believed that Rosemary's Rosemary's last words. What are you doing to my husband would be the thought she carried with her into eternity texts came came into the room until Leslie to do something so she stabbed Rosemary several times in the stomach though she appeared to be already dead the three killers has returned to the living room and PAT rummaged around the kitchen she came back with a carving fork and stuck it into Lino Torso Marveling at how it wobbled back and forth Susan were called Krenwinkel telling her she had written death to all pigs and helter skelter and arise on the front door or your refrigerator in the victim's blood she had also carved war on Leena La Bianca stomach the killers then showered consumed some watermelon melon and chocolate milk from the murder couples refrigerator and hitch hiked back to spawn when asked by Bouillaud see for clarification. Susan explained to the jury that Charlie in the family pigs represented the establishment and helter skelter was to be the last war on earth in April nineteen sixty nine. The family has some legal problems on the nineteenth. La County sheriff's raid the spahn Ranch and confiscate several stolen Dune wound buggies. Charlie isn't there but Leslie Van Houten giving her name as Leslie Sexton is taken in along with several others. Charlie has given everyone instructions on how to behave if there ever arrested admit nothing and never mentioned helter skelter. They're released within days since authorities. Authorities have no way of determining who stole which vehicle on the twenty third Tex Watson is found crawling along Van Nuys sidewall under under the influence of Bella Donna route his arrested photographed and fingerprinted and placed in a cell until he regains his senses after he returns to spawn family members notice a change in the likable Texan he seems rougher and quicker to anger acting as if he's Charlie's second in in command but things are looking up in one important respect. Terry Melcher has finally agreed to come out to the ranch to hear Charlie perform. Yes yes thanks Charlie. This has only been one more test in a life of tests. If the record producers stood him up last time now he'll get a performance dwarfing. What Charlie earlier planned rehearsals around the clock. The girls will be chorus of angelic nymphs backing them up. They'll dance dance and slither out of their clothes snakes shedding their skin seductresses available to Melcher. Should the master commanded this will not merely be the performance but an experience the record producer cannot fail to see the magnitude of Charlie's talent. Yes thanks Charlie. He was right to persevere veer. He has told his followers will be bigger than the Beatles and he's about to fulfill that promise the world might not know it yet but it's about to be introduced the musical genius of Charlie Manson at no point in Susan Atkins Grand Jury retested Moni had she demonstrated the slightest appreciation of the gravity of her actions when dismissed from the standby bully Osi she sauntered from the courtroom room without a hint of shame or remorse the prosecutor then put on the stand his remaining four witnesses. Wilfred parent identified his murdered son Son Steven from his High School Yearbook Photo Winifred Chapman described finding the four bodies on the morning of August ninth. She also testified to having washed washed the front door before leaving work on August eighth which meant that Tex Watson's print had to be placed there sometime later in the day. Terry Melcher told jurors about the night Dennis Wilson had driven him home with Manson in the car establishing that Charlie had been to the House on Cielo drive he also are described a visit to spawn ranch to audition Charlie in a follow up with a local recording engineer to tape some of Charlie's tunes finally. La County County Coroner Thomas New Gucci testified as to the cause and manner of death of the five Cielo drive victims and with that the December birth fifty grand jury session closed helter skelter takes second place to Charlie's impending ascension into the Pantheon of Rock God's not that the signs of Charlie's prophesied prophesied apocalypse aren't a parent in a country torn by political strife and domestic insurrection Nixon's early presidency does little to lessen racial tensions shins and his secret plan to end the Vietnam War remained secret to all those in his inner circle bodybags continue to arrive with regularity and protests inflame the passions of what is seeming less and less like the love generation but the roiling discontent holds less interest for Charlie Charlie than his obsessive plans to create the perfect experience for Terry Melcher when the record producer arrives though he's less interested interested in the show then in the music Charlie's been touting ever since the two met Charlie performs his songs as the Girls Sing backup gyrating provocatively lien stripping off their clothes. Melchior watches impassively radiating the air of a man who has someplace else to be Charlie picks up on it and launches which is into one of his philosophical wraps but the producer doesn't engage when it's over Meltzer's noncommittal about Charlie's music but offers a morsel. I hope he wants to return with Mike. deasy a small time producer who runs a mini recording studio out of his van before leaving. Melchor Hands Charlie the fifty dollars in his wallet feeling sorry for the ragged family children running around looking dirty and hungry in front of his followers. Where's Charley acts as if cash is a down payment on a record contract on June sixth Melcher returns with DC to record Charlie. If the last audition ended ambiguously there is no uncertainty about Charlie's musical prospects in the wake of this episode a family members slips. LSD In a misguided effort geniality and DC suffers nightmare shillue nations. The recording session is abruptly ended ended before the two producers leaves. Spun Charlie gets into an altercation with a drunken stuntman hanging out at the ranch and beats him to the ground and if once ambivalent even intrigued by the Desert Prophet preaching love and loss of Ego. Melcher is now disgusted he sees Charlie is little more than an angry ex-con with no more musical gifts than the dozens of hopefuls flooding into L. A. Every day he leaves spun with unconvincing Chimeras but when he makes contact a few days later Charlie has already anticipated what he will hear. Melcher has passed if Charlie there's going to be bigger than the Beatles it won't be through his music of immediate concern to Charlie explaining to the family his failure to secure a long-awaited recording contract. If Charlie is infallible how can he have been so wrong but when all answers there's flow from Charlie contradiction as little impediment. Charlie has been betrayed. He will tell his followers even as Jesus was betrayed. D- rather than a symptom of Charlie's imperfection this Judas kiss must be seen as a sign of approaching end times aw when Linda Ca Sabians attorney Gary Fleischman asked for full immunity for his client. Bouillon balked the deputy. Da was already irritated. That Susan Atkins had gotten such a good deal the best he could offer Fleishman was voluntary manslaughter charge. Linda's lawyer argued that she had not fought extradition was eager to testify Voglio. Voglio see considered it. He knew that Susan was a wildcard. Her agreement precluded her from testifying at trial and she had Inouye disavowed her association in with Manson whom she still believed to be the most perfect man on earth she might change her mind and recant her grand jury testimony even her lawyer. Richard Kaba gyro suggested as much Mulyo see acknowledged to that Linda hadn't participated in the murders simply being present on both nights made her as legally culpable as those who shot stabbed and bludgeoned to death seven people but it appears she had legitimately feared for her life and the safety of her little girl Tanya who would have been at the mercy of the family had Linda appeared disloyal though he hadn't met Linda Bouli. Oc See felt it was unlikely she'd make a less sympathetic witness than the cold blooded end remorseless. Sadie May glutz the desert is a homecoming for Charlie Desk Valley Valley of death perfect in its symbolism hasn't he always said that life is death and death is life. Charlie is the woeful child of hardship and the desert is a universe of hardship Manson son of man like Jesus before Him Crucified in a Roman wilderness of pain betrayed by men small-minded envious men it simply not in the nature of small men to recognize great men but this time it won't be the prophet who is the sacrificial lamb. Didn't Jesus say that next time he'd be bringing a sword and Charlie has a sore one. He's gotten as a gift from the straight Satans victim throughout his life of fate and man he'll be victim no more everything has prepared him for this moment from the Cross to his rebirth depression America through the detention centers and institutions and prisons to dwell among the hopeless in despised to find his apostles and the discarded remnants of the generation of love to teach them that love and hate by the same life and death the same good and evil only illusions with perpetrate upon ourselves who would these insults bear but the promise of another rising a new age of war and regeneration a home home in the valley of death and underground awakening of the conquering loss tried everything has prepared him for this moment the rejected one prince of sorrow he wants died for them and now they will die for him sacrificed for them as they will be sacrificed for him as God did not take from him his cup of sorrows. He will not relieve them. If they won't have his love they will take his hate. They may revile him as they reviled Jesus in the expansiveness of his soul. All things are contained. Love is hate. Endeavors death is life. Charlie will be Charlie but not all of Charlie's disciples feel is comfortable in Death Valley Brooks Poston has broken faith and gone off to work with prospector Paul Crockett and there have been mumblings from some of the women even worse yet chief female recruiter little Paul Watkins takes flight when Charlie insinuates that he might just have to initiate helter skelter himself off since black. People don't seem to have figured it out yet one positive though that Tex Watson has met a small attractive girl named Linda Ca Sabin even convincing her to steal money from a friend and move out to spawn ranch Charlie's happy to take our money and happier still to learn that she is a valid driver's license something something in short supply among the band of recluses her toddler. Tanya is taken off to live with the other family children but Charlie needs more money than Linda's. This theft provides he begins to see a solution in the form of music teacher and Manson family friend Gary Hinman so when the grand jury reconvened on Monday December Assemble Eighth Prosecutor Bouillaud see presented witnesses who provided more evidence against Charlie and the four family members responding officers described describe the scene at Cielo drive and the discovery of a latent print matching tex watson's from his April arrest gun expert Ed Lomax asserted that that the gun handle found at the tate residents belong to a twenty two caliber bunt mind Longhorn revolver Joe Granado of Lapd Scientific Investigations Division gave testimony on the blood evidence and the rope tied around tate and CBN's necks Greg Jacobsen talked about Charlie's Charlie's relationship with Terry Melcher former resident of the property straight Satan biker Danny dicarlo testified he had gone with Manson to buy three strand nylon rope and had witnessed Charlie and text taking target practice with a bunt line twenty two caliber revolver at the spahn ranch. He also confirmed that Charlie frequently wore leather thongs around his neck similar to the ones found tied around lean law Bianca's wrists. It was four seventeen in the afternoon when the grand jury began its deliberations took them only twenty minutes to reach their conclusion Charles Manson. Listen Tex Watson Susan Atkins and Linda Ca Sapien were indicted on seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy spiracy to commit murder Leslie Van Houten who had been present only at the law Bianca's scene was indicted on two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy commit murder four months after the murders that had shaken Hollywood and the country to its foundation formal charges have been brought against the five suspected killer's. Gary Hinman often supplemented lamented music teacher income by dealing drugs to his to Panga Canyon neighbors. One recent transaction involves thousand tabs of Mescaline that fellow musician Bobby Beausoleil Beausoleil delivers to the straight Satan Motorcycle Club acting as a go-between for Hinman. When the bikers tell bobby the product is substandard and demand their money back Charlie season opportunity. He tells bobby to take Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins over the Henman's place. They are to demand not only the thousand dollars is owed the straight Satans but the money Charlie needs to fund his Death Valley operation when bobby calls a little later. Charlie isn't happy with what here's his. Gary refused so bobby beat him until he signed over ownership of his two cars that might cover what he does the straight Satan and does nothing to satisfy Charlie proceeding yet another betrayal Charlie rides over to Henman's brandishing twenty and sword ord. He demands that Gary turnover everything he owns to the family when Henman protests that he has nothing more to give Charlie slashes him across the face with the sword partially severing his ear Hinman Begs for mercy reminding Charlie that he's always been a good friend of the Family Charlie heads back to spine leaving bobby with instructions not to leave until Hinman has signed over everything. He owns the next time bobby calls. It's with the news that after repeated beatings Gary has failed to come up with any more money and is now threatening to go to the police. It's clear to Charlie what must be done but he decides that him men's death will serve another larger purpose. Charlie prophesied a race. I swore and it shows no sign of happening on his schedule. If bobby can make it look like Gary Hinman was killed by the Black Panthers it might just initiate helter skelter on December Ninth Nineteen Sixty Nine Charles Manson Aka Jesus Christ God was was formerly charged with seven murders occurring at the tate and Law Bianca residences. He listed his address as transient his occupation as the musician on the following day. Susan Atkins Patricia Krenwinkel and Linda Qossaibi were granted continuances before entering their please please. Susan in Patricia treated the core proceedings as if they were a stage on which to act out their own light hearted farce they grinned and giggled in in the face of charges. They butchered seven people in contrast. Linda kosabe seemed close to tears burdened by the weight of events Tex Watson in a Texas jail. Fighting extradition was the only suspect not present on the same day December tenth a gas attendant undented sylmar standard station was trying to fix a running toilet in the restroom when he removed the lid he found a woman's wallet stock on top of the mechanism inside was a driver's license belonging to Rosemary Labianca he phoned the lapd who retrieved the wallet an informed the DA's office. Another part of Susan Atkins story had been confirmed on August eighth. Charlie received some bad news. Bobby Beausoleil has been picked up driving. Gary Hinman stolen car and booked for murder. Though bobby is assured family members he won't talk Charlie's had too much experience with the law to feel comfortable but if there's one thing Charlie has learned earned it's that he can turn even the most disastrous event into yet another signpost toward his destiny and the family rallies to him recoiling at the thought he might have to go on the Lam they toy with breaking bobby out of jail but when Charlie doesn't respond they move onto other ideas didn't in Kabul make it look as if the Black Panthers were responsible for humans death. Charlie recalls didn't he scrawl political piggies on the wall and guarantees. He's blood someone not. Charlie wonders about the possibility of copycat murder. Let the other fellow think the idea is his his isn't that Charlie learned from Dale Carnegie. He nods thoughtfully at the suggestion wondering how exactly that might work work. The family considers the likely chain of events a similar murder with bobby sitting in his cell would exonerate their friend and if the cups thought the Black Panthers were murdering people. They'd have to come down hard on the group. The panthers legendary in their militancy would retaliate retaliate in kind. An escalating series of actions becomes an unstoppable rush toward helter skelter. Yes Charlie agrees if if played right hinman can be initiating spark but the death of a music teacher in Panga hardly merits kind of media fury that could lead to a race war war of course if the Knicks victims were of a higher stature enthusiasm the emerging plan ripples through Charlie's followers. Yes Charlie agrees. The time for helter skelter has arrived though by now. It's impossible to say if he's agreeing with them or with himself. Over here. Fleet on December Eleven Charles Manson flanked by officers towering being over him was led down a corridor to stand before Judge William Keane wearing the buckskin outfit sewn for him by the family girls. He entered the courtroom so packed with reporters. It seemed incapable of housing another body. Charlie seemed comfortable with the attention he was getting as as if unaware of or unconcerned by the difference between celebrity and notoriety the judges signed public defender Paul Fitzgerald to represent represent Charlie though there was no shortage of lawyers positioning themselves for the job was generally assumed that case this consequence in the media center of Los Angeles Angeles could launch a lucrative career Charlie's official not guilty plea would come ten days later and rest on his assertion that his absence from crime scenes absolves him of guilt he would further insist he had never explicitly ordered anyone to be murdered if his family members had taken it upon themselves to kill on his behalf. It wasn't his responsibility for now though Charlie looked around the courtroom and couldn't help smiling he had finally achieved the fame he had so long coveted late on the night of August eighth. Charlie seeks out Tex Watson with months of heavy drug use. She no longer seems James. The affable country boy who gave a ride Dennis Wilson the previous summer now edgy and volatile easy to think of himself as Charlie's right hand hand man to talk for a while speculating on who the perfect target might be it needs to be someone well known famous even to generate the kind of attention. Gary Hinman murder hasn't Texaco caused the house up on Cielo drive where Terry Melcher used to live hasn't Charlie Charlie been up there once yes charlie nods. That would be perfect. Let the other fellow thank the ideas his hands ends Texas twenty two caliber revolver from the Spahn ranch armor in tells them to wear dark clothing he and the others to bring a change of clothes. They'll need wire cutters. There's and rope and knives. Tex would be in charge as befits a man then Charlie goes off to choose the girls Susan because Oh she's crazy do anything pat because she has no life outside the family. Here's no voice but Charlie's and recent recruit Linda and because she has a valid driver's license in case there stopped Texan the three women get into a yellow fifty nine Ford owned by one of the ranch hands Texas behind the Wheel Linda beside him in the passenger seat. Susan and Pat are in the back as the engine roars I to life. Charlie leans down to look through the window do something which he tells them and with that the the car leaves spawn ranch and heads off into the night the events of those two August nights in nineteen sixty nine might never be fully comprehended though it would be a mistake to think of them as incomprehensible the barbarity of the crimes might tempt one to conclude the assailants were insane and their actions actions senseless but even crazy people have reasons. They just have crazy reasons. Did Charlie really believe the crimes would initiate a cataclysmic war between blacks and whites that he and his family would find the bottomless pit where they would wait out the events they had set in motion ocean that they would emerge from their subterranean redoubt. After hundreds of years to rule the world or worthy horrific murders no more than a seasoned ex-cons attempt to lead authorities away from his complicity in the murder of Gary Hinman did his followers. I truly believe Charlie was the second coming of Christ or were they entranced by their own desire to believe we're the infatuated with Charlie early or the idea of Charlie and isn't that what he had done throughout his life let those around him project onto him the vision of saint or sinner savior and deceiver reflecting back to them their own fractured souls charlie could easily really have lived and died in obscurity petty criminal in the shadows of civilization but he found himself in a time and place that mirrored his imaginings imaginings a world on the knife edge of change in that generational upheaval his disciples proved vulnerable to singular singular vision caught between the world that had been and one that never would be to Charlie prison would be a homecoming coming the closing of a circle begun a long time ago and a thousand miles away and there he would remain denied parole a dozen times on Sunday November eighteenth two thousand seventeen having spent sixty five of his eighty three years incarcerated aided Charles Manson died of natural causes. His family members either languishing in prison or aged out at youthful folly. Were not the present. His death serve more as a reminder of his legend than punctuation mark to his life aged and frail. The man who ahead once hoped to initiate helter skelter had become an afterthought to his own persona more pathetic than fearsome more irrelevant relevant than monstrous. The skies did not open. No horsemen appeared. No Sword of fire was observed descending from the heavens he had finally found that bottomless pit. I'm Tracy Patent. This is Hollywood and crime I'm from subscribe to Hollywood in crime on Apple podcasts tune in stitcher or your favorite podcast cast APP to find out more information. Read our episode notes and contact us if you have any questions or comments if you like what you've heard we'd love you to give us a five star rating and review us and be sure to tell your friends and fans of crime. 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July 24, 1970: Charles Mansons Trial Begins

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July 24, 1970: Charles Mansons Trial Begins

"The today is saturday. July twenty fourth twenty twenty one on this day in nineteen seventy the trial of notorious cult leader. Charles manson began in los angeles manson along with three female co-defendants stood accused of one of the most brutal murder sprees of the century. You've waited long enough. It's time to treat yourself visit european wax center where you get the best. Buy the best bikini. Waxing is their particular specialty. They wax over seven point five million bikinis a year with numbers. Like those. you know you're getting the best. Bikini service from the true bikini wax specialists in fact european wax center is so confident. You'll love their services that they offer all first time guests there. I wax free head to wack center dot com to book your reservation today. That's waxed center dot com to book your reservation today and remember. Your first wax is free. Welcome today in true crime a spotify original from podcast due to the graphic nature of this killer's crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Today we're covering the opening. Day of charles manson's trial and the vicious legacy that he and his followers left behind. Now let's go back to a sweltering morning in los angeles on july twenty fourth nineteen seventy this city and the entire nation had been waiting with feverish anticipation for the proceedings to kick off. The public hoped that cult leader charles manson and his followers would finally face justice almost a year earlier in august of nineteen sixty nine members of the manson family had executed a murder spree so grizzly that it had stunned the world over the course of two nights they'd murdered seven people including the pregnant actress sharon tate as judge charles. H older called the court to order. A silence fell over the crowded room. Everyone held their breath awaiting the appearance of the man himself when he finally entered. Manson didn't waste the opportunity to seize the spotlight. Manson strolled into the courtroom sporting his signature. Long hair a beard and a bloody x. carved into his forehead the was clearly fresh drawing gasps from the assembled crowd in a statement shared by his attorney. The killer explained his razor blade tattoo. Manson said you have created the monster. I am not of you from you nor do i condone your wars or your unjust attitudes towards things animals and people that you won't try to understand. I have exed myself from your world. It was a characteristically ramblings. Self important statement from a man who clearly had no remorse for his horrific crimes. It was also a harbinger of things to come. Throughout the next twenty two weeks manson and his followers would be so disruptive that judge older repeatedly had them removed from the courtroom beside manson were his three female co-defendants patricia. Krenwinkel susan denise atkins and leslie van houten. The trio had carried out the murders alongside a handful of other acolytes in his opening statement. Deputy district attorney vincent t bouillaud see described manson as a megalomaniac with an insatiable lust for power and violence as he laid out the state's case bolio see noted how manson had used the image of a peace-loving hippie to disguise his murderous intent. He also touched on manson's possible motives for ordering the murders. He suggested that the cult leader was driven by an obsession with a race war between white people and black people in the united states bouillaud see said. Manson tried to make the murders. Look as though they'd been carried out by black perpetrators by doing this. He hoped to spark the war. He was so fixated on in manson's mind bouillaud said his family and particularly he would be the ultimate beneficiaries of the black white civil war by the time court was adjourned for the day. There were still far more questions than answers about the manson families bizarre beliefs and despicable violence. Coming up we'll discuss the senseless crimes that define manson's legacy imagine living with a secret so big that if anyone ever found out it would change everything. Imagine carrying that secret with you every day. Desperate to one day. Get it off your chest. Do you think you could take a secret to the grave. I'm stephanie haeggman. Host of the new podcast series deathbed confessions the show where we dive deep into the most explosive things. People have admitted to while drawing their last breath from murder fake identities heists illicit affairs and even top government secrets this season. On deathbed. confessions. We investigate cases like frank thorogood the construction worker who claimed that the drowning of rolling stones founder. Brian jones was no accident. margaret gibson. A silent film actress who wild dying of a heart attack confess to one of the most famous unsolved crimes in hollywood history and ex. Cia officer howard hunt. Who on his deathbed confessed to playing a role in the assassination of president. John f. kennedy deathbed confessions is a spotify original from podcast. Airing episodes weekly starting july twenty first following. Listen to deathbed. Confessions for free on spotify. These are stressful times. You already have a lot of responsibilities but one of those responsibilities is to yourself. Self care is important so treat yourself with a bikini wax at european wax center. European wax center is the country's leading wax experts. They'll take extra special care of you and help you to feel your best inside and out the secret. Their signature comfort wax. 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On july twenty fourth nineteen seventy the trial of charles manson and his followers began manson and three of his acolytes stood accused of planning and executing the murders of seven people. The previous year. The killing spree had stunned the city of los angeles on the night of august eighth nineteen sixty-nine four manson followers susan atkins patricia krenwinkel. Linda kosabe ian and tex watson said out from the cult's rural headquarters on a terrible mission. They drove up into the winding hills of benedict canyon and broke into the home of director roman polanski acting on manson's orders the posse murdered five people at the house including actress sharon tate. Jay c. bring abigail folder. Voi- check frank hausky and steven parent in a horrific final flourish. The murderers painted the word pig on the door of the house. Using tate's blood manson's motivation for targeting. These victims specifically has never been confirmed per one theory. Manson had a grudge against the homes last owner music. Producer terry melcher. The previous year melcher had declined to make a record with manson and raging the egotistical cult leader the following night manson himself drove six of his followers to a property in the los feeless neighborhood of los angeles where they murdered grocery store owner lino la bianca and his wife rosemary. Again the love bianca's were not targeted and manson's motivations for choosing their home are murky but as the prosecution noted manson's obsession with a race war which he called helter skelter appeared to be at the root his sadistic killings. Manson was a racist. His vision for helter skelter was really a white supremacist. Fantasy in which a conflict between white and black people would make it possible for him to seize power in manson's warped and bigoted vision of the future. He and his followers would go underground during the war itself. Once the smoke cleared he believed there would be a window left for him to suddenly emerge and takeover the murders were in part. Manson's attempt to jump start the race war. He and his followers staged both crime scenes to make them look like they were committed by the black panthers. A group manson loathed. But he was also trying to use. These flashy gruesome killings to distract from other crimes. He and his followers had committed including the july nineteen. Sixty-nine murder of gary hinman regardless of manson and his family's convoluted motivations they're killing spree was a defining moment in the nation's history the fact that his followers were mostly well off middle class teenagers was especially compelling and disturbing to average americans. The murder sparked widespread. Fear about the occult and it's corrupting influence. On the youth which contributed to the rise of the satanic panic during the nineteen seventies even though manson and his followers were jailed for life when their trial wrapped up the damage they done could never be reversed. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm vanessa richardson. If you'd like to learn more about charles. Manson listen to our episodes of cults on the manson family. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other spotify originals. From podcast for free on spotify. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in true crime today in. True crime is a spotify. Original from podcast. It is executive produced by max cutler. Sound designed by paul liba skin with production assistance by ron shapiro. Trent williamson carly madden and aaron larson. This episode of today and true crime was written by. Emma did dan with writing assistance by terrel wells and fact checking by cheyenne lopez. 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Con Artists Bites: Satanism

Con Artists

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Con Artists Bites: Satanism

"Welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners some additional content to help them die even deeper into the true crime. Every week in addition to your normal con artists episode, we're exploring the most fascinating true crime themes carpet across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help explore ideas like motivation, method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime road really is, you can find the original episodes for free on spotify over every you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today, we're discussing satanism. What kind of influence has satanism had on crime and society? American society at large I became aware of Satanism in one thousand nine hundred sixties when a series of murders committed by the Manson family in were attributed to satanism and the cult. That same decade Anton La- Bay published the Satanic Bible, which became the basis text for the Church of Satan. The occult its way into the entertainment world, giving way for films such as Rosemary's baby in nineteen, sixty, eight and the exorcist in nineteen, seventy three. The nineteen seventies and eighties saw trend of serial killings committed by self-proclaimed Satanists including Richard Ramirez. who had a Pentagram drawn at his Palm and David Berkowitz Aka son of Sam, who claimed he committed his murders, part of a satanic death cult, the stereotypes and fear seem to culminate in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s and early ninety s when the United States went through mass media. Scare known as the Satanic Panic. The panic stemmed from a series of false allegations of ritual. Sexual Abuse of children in day cares. Today's clips will feature some crimes associated with satanism and the impact of this association. Our first. Clip is from serial killers and highlights David. Berkowitz also known as son of Sam David Berkowitz, sent terror through New York City during the summer of Nineteen, seventy, six, killing six people and wounding seven others. The murders caused a media storm Berkowitz sent taunting letters to the New York Police Department and gave himself nicknames in a letter sent to the. Daily News. Berkowitz was suffering from schizophrenia which brings on an inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Berkowitz's fantasies. He assigned demons to the people and animals in his life. Well despite admitting to killing the women out of hatred David Continued his studies of Occult Imagery and deem analogy. He expressed a particular interest in an alleged Celtic Deity someone. Someone became the center of David's demonic fantasy. He read as much as he could. About the demon in order to feed into his demon fantasy story, he bought books on black magic cultism, and even satanism for him. These books and images provided a further outlet for sinister urges. Soon Sawan became a symbol of his darker more sinister impulses and hatred towards women. Through sow when he prayed for more opportunities to hurt women. So, what is this? Owan AC, some kind of Satanic Deity well. That's the interesting thing while some people may argue that someone is an ancient Celtic Deity. Most historians observed sow in as an ancient holiday, the precursor to All Saints Day, the day of the dead and even Halloween wait what? Someone is actually a holiday or festival, representing the end of the harvest season, and the start of winter usually celebrated around October thirty first been ancient times, people would dress up light bonfires and celebrate the end of the harvest with a big festival. In some cases, people even carved. GOURDS and dressed up as spirits going door to door to get food interesting. So how did he get a demon from a holiday? Most likely during his obsession with the occult, he found a book referenced Sawan as the Celtic God of death, which is now recognized, doesn't misconception of the holiday and its meaning that's fascinating will wrong or not David began to pray, and even make offerings to sell solid to further feed into his control fantasy. A like in his previous apartment, he began to scribble and right, strange and disturbing phrases all over his apartment walls. He even started to write poetry with one of his favorite pieces, being the mother of Satan. David was building a new persona around his fascination with the occult and this fictional sow win character, a persona that had control of others. And Pretty Soon David was going to pull all of New York into his control fantasy. In that clip from serial killers. We heard David Berkowitz embracing a deep fascination with satanism and the cult. Following Berkowitz's arrest in August nineteen, seventy seven. He confessed to police his satanists beliefs. Berkowitz claimed he'd been plagued by the box of his next door neighbor's dog. Sam Berkowitz believed that San was possessed by a demon who was giving him orders to kill. Later after Berkowitz was convicted, he admitted at the dog story was a hoax. Berkowitz perpetuated his own Satanic Myth. What? What happens when the public accuses someone of being a satanist? COMING UP! We'll discuss the purported satanic murder of Jeannette, Depalma. podcast listeners, I have a big announcement to commemorate her fourth anniversary podcast and the team behind unsolved murders taking a closer look at what it takes to catch a killer. It's a fantastic mu show that you can only find on spotify and is cold, solved murders true crime mysteries. Every Wednesday you'll follow the clues and uncovered the missing pieces to some of history's most ripping cases. Join Hosts Carter and Wendy as well as an ensemble cast of voice actors, as they explore the days months, and even years leading up to kill him being caught. Each episode of solved murders plays out like a classic murder mystery with a final reveal is nearly as shocking as the murder itself from the butcher of Plainfield Ed Geene to America's first serial killer H H Holmes. These accounts are all real over riveting and only available on spotify. Not every story. The ending, but at least they have an ending. Photos solved murders true crime mysteries free and only on spotify. Now back to the show. The. Mysterious nature of Satanism makes it ripe for a public interest when a crime is attributed to the occult. Sometimes that claim is brought on by the killer himself such as in the case of David Berkowitz, but sometimes the media starts brewer. In our next clip from podcast original. Murders we cover the nineteen seventy-two murder of sixteen year old, Genetic Palma, whose remains were found a cliff in New Jersey. Because the cases still unsolved, the motive for the murder is unknown, but accusations that she was the victim of a satanic ritual gain traction. Several newspapers reported killing as an occult sacrifice soon the accusations turn to Jeanette herself. Some Springfield Township residents even started to wonder if Ginette had brought her death upon herself well. I heard she was a witch. Or hung around with a crowd that was into that Steph. Yeah, totally I heard. She had some occult books in her bedroom or something. Maybe she wanted to sacrifice herself I saw some kids out at watching reservation decapitating pigeons awhile back and I heard there was a goat sacrifice around there at some point to. The stories about witchcraft in Springfield township and the surrounding union. County usually stories featuring teenagers weren't. To the diploma story, the Elizabeth Daily Journal ran an article. Entitled Do Pupils Pray To the devil on October Fourth Nineteen seventy-two. It cited a high school sophomores testimony that teenagers were hosting seances and occult rituals in the woods. There were whispers of the witches a reported Satanic Group operating in the area. There is evidence that local residents believed there was a real a presence in Union county in the Nineteen Seventies. Though these kinds of claims were routinely used to demonize counterculture groups, the changing social norms in views of drug usage of many nineteen seventies, teens probably lead peers and adult members of the community to blow any strange behavior out of proportion into something much larger than it was. When the hairstyles and clothing choices of some of these young people looked so strange, it's not hard to see how anti normative behavior might have been framed anti-christian occult practices, but it's also worth pointing out that led, which was found in very high levels Internet's body is commonly used in occult rituals. According to some a cultists, it's considered the medal of Resurrection and transformation, and is sometimes used in rituals involving communication with the underworld engine. It was found on a Iraq called devils teeth. It sounded like the kind of place where Satanists would commit a ritual sacrifice. That clip from. Murders highlighted the rumors swirling around the murder of Jeannette. Depalma in addition to the lead evidence, and the discovery of the body on doubles teeth. Some news sources reported that you nets body had been surrounded by strange occult like contracts, and that her corpse was laid upon a Pentagram. The police denied the existence of a Pentagram occult object surrounding the body. But the police statements did not quell the rumors weird. Nj articles published in the early two thousands ramped up the rumors once again. The articles included anonymous statements from residents, claiming to know about the satanic cult that committed the murder and accusing Springfield police of covering up the satanic nature of the crime. Both of the clips played so far have detailed crimes attributed to Satanism, but next we'll hear about the man who literally wrote the book on Satanism. Our final clip is from cults and details, the life of Anton Levay who founded the Church of Satan, in nineteen, sixty six, and wrote its central religious text the Satanic Bible. In, the late nineteen sixties, Levin immersed himself in the Hollywood crowd realm does with the likes of Jayne, Mansfield and liberace. It was during this time that he would meet a future household name in her own right Susan Atkins. During this period, Antonova came into contact with someone else of note future Manson. Family member Susan Atkins in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven Anton was curated event called the topless which is review at a San Francisco. Nightspot North Beach. Atkins was working as a stripper at the club when the vase saw her perform. He approached her boss. Mr Garnett about hiring her to perform in the show. Her role was a topless vampire who emerges from a coffin and dances around the stage in Cape. She was immediately struck by Levay. Particularly, his physical appearance at said quote, the man seemed to be dressed entirely in black, his face, and the top of his bald head were extraordinarily Pale White. The intensity of the strangers black is deepened as he watched my movements in quote in reflecting on this time Anton remembered her as just another haight street burnout Levin, said quote. She Beg off for her Cels, saying she had a fever of one hundred eight, but in the end she made a fine vampire and quote a levay invited Atkins back to the black house for gatherings and rituals, and the pair became very close for a short time. During the same period at can spiraled into an endless cycle of alcohol, drugs and casual sex. Her boyfriend at the time expressed. that. Being in LA, based show was negatively affecting her Atkins was not yet involved with the notorious cult leader Charles Manson. It would be two years until she and three other members of the Manson family murdered five people in one bloody night, but in her nineteen seventy seven book child of Satan Child of God Atkins, singles outlive Vay as the catalyst for her downfall. She wrote quote. The show was a smash hit along the Strip Garnett had scored big, but the witch's Sabbath and my total sell-out to LSD marijuana, and has sheesh and to sex with virtually any attractive man landed me in the hospital in four months I was half dead from gonorrhea, and had a complete physical breakdown and quote. In. That clip we heard Church of Satan. Founder Anton La Bays short-lived interactions with Susan Atkins two years after this meeting Susan Atkins and and family members committed several murders including Sharon tate's. SUSAN ATKINS WASN'T OBEYS Manson family filmmaker Kenneth Anger. Who Was Godfather to live as children allowed Bobby Beausoleil to move in with him and cast him in one of his films in the role of Lucifer. But relations between anger and Beausoleil soured, and Beausoleil moved out of the home and allegedly stole the film. Just a year later in nineteen, sixty-nine Beausoleil and Charles Manson killed Gary Hinman, the first death in the series of killings that Manson hoped would spark helter skelter. Today's crime bites highlighted three cases associated with satanism. Any crime related to satanism provokes a media firestorm of rumors and speculation. This was displayed in the clip from unsolved murders, in which murder victim Jeannette Depalma was rumored to be involved in her own satanic ritual murder. In serial killers, David Berkowitz played off fear and misunderstanding around the occult to craft an elaborate hoax about his neighbors possess dog, and in colts we heard from the man who started the Church of Satan himself. Anton Bay, who had loose connections to members of the murderous Manson family Manson took the threads of today's ideas and twisted them into a dark spree of death. Before he murdered Sharon Tate what of Manson's followers proclaimed. I'm the devil I'm here to do the devil's business. Thanks, for tuning into podcast crime bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on Satanism. We'll be back next week with a new episode on isolation. Why do some criminals sequester victims? And how does it affect them? If you like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full, simply search for our PODCAST, original shows, serial killers, unsolved murders or cults on spotify battery to modify already all your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker. I'll see you next time. Listeners don't forget about the exciting new park. Show that you can only find on spotify. It's called solved murders, true crime mysteries, and it explores the days months, and even years leading up to a kill being caught. It's from the team that brought you unsolved murders. So you know it's going to be riveting new episodes. 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Crimes of Passion Bites: Satanism

Crimes of Passion

17:26 min | 1 year ago

Crimes of Passion Bites: Satanism

"Welcome to podcast crime bites. He wanted to give our listeners some additional compensate to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world. Every week in addition to your normal crimes of passion episode, we're exploring the most fascinating true crime. Themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help explore ideas like motivation, method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime road really is, you can find the original episodes for free on spotify over every you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today, we're discussing satanism. What kind of influence has satanism had on crime and society? American society at large I became aware of satanism in the nineteen sixties, when a series of murders committed by the Manson family in were attributed to satanism and the cult. That same decade Anton La- Bay published the Satanic Bible which became the basis text for the Church of Satan. The occult Ben made its way into the entertainment world, giving way for films such as Rosemary's baby in nineteen, sixty, eight and the exorcist in nineteen seventy-three. The nineteen seventies and eighties saw trend of serial killings committed by self-proclaimed Satanists, including Richard Ramirez who had a Pentagram drawn at his Palm and David Berkowitz Aka son of Sam, who claimed he committed his murders as part of a satanic death cult, the stereotypes and fear seem to culminate in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s and early ninety S. when the United States went through mass media, scare known as the Satanic Panic. The panic stemmed from a series of false allegations of ritual. Sexual Abuse of children in day cares. Today's clips will feature some crimes associated with satanism and the impact of this association. OUR FIRST CLIP is from serial killers and highlights David Berkowitz also known as son of Sam David Berkowitz sent terror through New York City during the summer of Nineteen, seventy, six, killing six people and wounding seven others. The. Murders caused a media storm Berkowitz sent taunting letters to the new. York Police Department and gave himself nicknames in a letter sent to the Daily News. Berkowitz was suffering from schizophrenia which brings on an inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. It Berkowitz's fantasies. He assigned demons to the people and animals in his life. Well, despite admitting to killing the women out of hatred, David Continued his studies of Occult Imagery and Deem Analogy, he expressed a particular interest in an alleged. Celtic Deity someone. Someone became the center of David's demonic fantasy. He read as much as he could. About the demon in order to feed into his demon fantasy story, he bought books on black magic cultism, and even satanism for him. These books and images provided a further outlet for sinister urges. Soon Sawan became a symbol of his darker more sinister impulses and hatred towards women. Through sow when he prayed for more opportunities to hurt women. So, what is this? OWAN AC some kind of Satanic Deity well. That's the interesting thing while some people may argue that someone is an ancient Celtic Deity, most historians observed sow in as an ancient holiday, the precursor to All Saints Day the day of the dead and even Halloween. Wait what? Someone is actually a holiday or festival, representing the end of the harvest season, and the start of winter usually celebrated around October. Thirty first been ancient times people would dress up light bonfires and celebrate the end of the harvest with a big festival in some cases, people even carved faces in gourds and dressed up as spirits going door to door to get food interesting. Interesting, so how did he get a demon from a holiday? Most likely during his obsession with the occult, he found a book referenced Sawan as the Celtic God of death, which is now recognized, doesn't misconception of the holiday and its meaning that's fascinating will wrong or not David began to pray, and even make offerings to sell it to further feed into his control fantasy. A, like in his previous apartment, he began to scribble and right, strange and disturbing phrases all over his apartment walls. He even started to write poetry with one of his favorite pieces, being the mother of Satan. David was building a new persona around his fascination with the occult and this fictional sow win character, a persona that had control of others. And Pretty Soon David was going to pull all of New York into his control fantasy. In that clip from serial killers, we heard David Berkowitz embracing a deep fascination with satanism and the cult. Following Berkowitz's arrest in August nineteen, seventy, seven. He confessed to police his satanists beliefs. Berkowitz claimed he'd been plagued by the box of his next door. Neighbor's dog Sam Berkowitz believed that San was possessed by a demon who was giving him orders to kill. Later after Berkowitz was convicted, he admitted at the dog story was a hoax. Berkowitz perpetuated his own Satanic Myth. What what happens when the public accuses someone of being a satanist. Coming up, we'll discuss the purported satanic murder of Jeannette Depalma. Chew Crime Fans, you're going to want to hear this to commemorate our fourth anniversary podcast and the team behind unsolved murders are a closer look at what it takes to catch a killer. It's a thrilling new show that you can only find on spotify, and it's called salt murders true crime mysteries. Every Wednesday, you'll follow the clues and uncover the missing pieces to some of history's most gripping cases. Join host Carter and Wendy well as an ensemble cast of voice actors, as they explore the days months, and even years leading up to a killer being caught. Each episode of solved murders. Please out like a classic murder mystery where the final reveal is nearly as shocking as the murderer itself. From the butcher of Plainfield, avenue. To America's for serial killer H H. Holmes these accounts are all real, all riveting and only available on spotify. Not Every story has a happy ending, but at least they have an ending. Follow soft murders, true crime mysteries free and only on spotify. Now back to the show. The mysterious nature of Satanism makes it ripe for a public interest when a crime is attributed to the occult. Sometimes that claim is brought on by the killer himself such as in the case of David Berkowitz, but sometimes the media starts the rumor. In our next clip from park has original. Murders we cover the nineteen seventy-two murder of sixteen-year-old Jeannette Depalma whose remains were found an cliff in New Jersey. Because the case is still unsolved, the motive for the murder is unknown, but accusations that she was the victim of satanic ritual gain traction. Several newspapers reported the killing as an occult sacrifice. Soon the accusations turned to jeanette herself. Some Springfield Township residents even started to wonder if Ginette had brought her death upon herself. Well I heard she was a witch. Or hung around with a crowd that was into that stuff. Yeah, totally I heard she had some occult books in her bedroom or something. Maybe she wanted to sacrifice herself. I saw some kids out at watchung reservation, decapitating pigeons awhile back and I heard there was a goat sacrifice around there at some point to. The stories about witchcraft, Springfield Township and the surrounding Union county usually stories, featuring teenagers weren't limited to the DEPALMA story the Elizabeth, daily. Journal ran an article entitled Do Pupils Pray To the devil on October fourth, nineteen, seventy two. It cited a high school sophomores testimony that teenagers were hosting seances and occult rituals in the woods. There were whispers of the witches are reported Satanic Group operating in the area. There is evidence that local residents believe there was a real a presence in Union county in the Nineteen Seventies. Though these kinds of claims were routinely used to demonize culture groups, the changing social norms in views of drug usage of many nineteen seventies, teens probably lead peers in adult members of the community to blow any strange behavior out of proportion into something much larger than it was. When even the hairstyles and clothing choices of some of these young people looked so strange. It's not hard to see how anti normative behavior might have been framed as Anti-christian occult practices, but it's also worth pointing out that led which was found in very high levels. Internet's body is commonly used in occult rituals. According to some a cultists, it's considered the medal of Resurrection in transformation, and is sometimes used in rituals involving communication with the underworld engine. It was found on a rock called devils teeth. It sounded like the kind of place where Satanists would commit a ritual sacrifice. That clip from loved murders highlighted the rumors swirling around the murderer up, Ginette Depalma, in addition to the lead evidence, and the discovery of the body on doubles teeth. Some news sources reported that you nets body had been surrounded by strange occult like objects, and that her corpse was laid upon a Pentagram the police denied any existence of a Pentagram or occult objects, surrounding the body. But the police statements did not quell the rumors. Weird NJ articles published in early two thousands ramped up the rumors once again. The articles included anonymous statements from residents, claiming to know about the satanic cult that committed the murder and accusing Springfield police of covering up the satanic nature of the crime. Both of the clips played so far have detailed crimes attributed to Satanism, but next we'll hear about the man who literally wrote the book on Satanism. Our final clip is from colts and details, the life of Anton Levay, who founded a Church of Satan in nineteen, sixty six, and wrote it central religious text the Satanic Bible. In, the late nineteen sixties, Levin immersed himself in the Hollywood crowd, rubbing elbows with the likes of Jayne, Mansfield and liberace. It was during this time that he would meet a future household name in her own right Susan Atkins. During this period Anton Levin came into contact with someone else of note future. Manson family member Susan Atkins. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven Anton, was curated event called the topless witches review at a San. Francisco, nightspot in north, Beach Atkins was working as a stripper at the club when the vase saw her perform, he approached her boss Mr Garnett about hiring her to perform in the show. Her role was a topless vampire who emerges from a coffin and dances around the stage in a Cape. She was immediately struck by particularly his physical appearance, Atkin said quote. The man seemed to be dressed entirely in black, his face, and the top of his bald head were extraordinarily Pale White. The intensity of the strangers black is deepened. As he watched my movements in quote in reflecting on this time Anton remembered her as just another haight street out. Levy said quote she'd beg off for her Cels, saying she had a fever of one hundred eight, but in the end she made a fine vampire and quote. levay invited pins back to the black house for gatherings and rituals, and the pair became very close for a short time. During the same period Atkins spiraled into an endless cycle of alcohol drugs and casual sex. Her boyfriend at the time expressed concern that being in the bay show was negatively affecting. Her skin's was not yet involved with the notorious cult leader Charles Manson. It would be two years until she and three other members of the Manson, family murdered five in one bloody night, but in her nineteen seventy seven book child of. Of Satan Child of God Atkins singles outlive Aa as the catalyst for her downfall. She wrote quote. The show was a smash it along. The Strip Garnett had scored big, but the witch's Sabbath and might total sell out to LSD. Marijuana and hashish and to sex with virtually any attractive man landed me in the hospital in four months I was half dead from Ghana and had a complete physical breakdown and quote. In that clip, we heard Church of Satan Founder Anton Lamaze short-lived interactions with Susan Atkins two years after this meeting Susan, Atkins and Family members committed several murders including Sharon tate's. Susan. Atkins wasn't obeys only connection to the Manson family filmmaker Kenneth Anger, who was godfather to live as children allowed Bobby Beausoleil to move in with him, and cast him in one of his films in the role of Lucifer. But relations between anger and Beausoleil soured and Beausoleil moved out of the home and allegedly stole the film. Just a year later in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand nine. Bolsa Soleil Charles Manson killed Gary Hinman the first death in the series of killings. That Manson. hoped would spark helter skelter. Today's crime bites highlighted three cases associated with satanism. Any crime related to satanism provokes a media firestorm of rumors and speculation. This was displayed in the clip from unsolved murders in which murder victim Jeannette Depalma was rumored to be involved in her own satanic ritual murder. In serial killers David Berkowitz played off fear and misunderstanding around the cult to craft an elaborate hoax about his neighbors possessed dog, and in colts we heard from the man who started the Church of Satan himself Anton Bay, who had loose connections to members of the murderous Manson family Manson took the threads of ideas and twisted them into a dark spree of death. Before he murdered Sharon Tate. What of Manson's followers proclaimed I'm the devil I'm here to do the devil's business. Thanks for tuning into podcast crime bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on Satanism. We'll be back next week with a new episode on isolation. Criminals sequestered their victims. And how does it affect them? If you like to listen to the codes. Discuss today in full simply search for our park has to original shows, serial killers, unsolved murders or cults on spotify. spotify already have all your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker. I'll see you next time. If you love the. Tales told in crimes of passion. You're going to want to check out the new park. Ass Series solved murders true crime mysteries. It's from the team that brought you unsolved murders in an explosive days months, and even years leading up to a killer, being caught new episodes premiere every Wednesday follow soft murders, true crime mysteries free and only on spotify.

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004: Charles Manson and The Family Tour

Nopeville

1:25:23 hr | 1 year ago

004: Charles Manson and The Family Tour

"Down, this road is a small city once thriving full of life, but now desolate and abandoned, well abandoned eight for the horrors rumored to reside within. Which I presume while you're here. Now. There's nothing wrong with a little morbid curiosity. But please remember to stay close to your guys. Be wouldn't want anyone to get left behind. Hello and welcome to nope Ville the city where all your horrors and nightmares reside hall of your horrors, my horrors. I'm your tour guide Jen. Also your tour guide Christine. I guess. You can. You can be here too I mean I do get the start today. To just sit back and listen to you. Talk for a little while anyway. Listen to you, yeah, so this is our tour on Charles Manson. Our first steps into cult territory Yup will be mobile, getting a little bit toes, wet skin our toes. What and the colts? because. That doesn't sound weird. Today. On to- when the Colt! Was a grape. Drink is the kool-aid. The kool-aid in the ocean, yes, Charles Manson or is. He liked to be called Charlie. Of course. Yeah, I think I refer to him as Manson just Manson most of this I can't call him Charlie. because. It sounds like we're fun. We're friends and yeah. I can't do I'm like no, you're just Manson. Yeah. We're definitely not friends. Yeah, and even. Charles just sounds a little too formal to former for who he was. So our dear Charles Manson was born on November. Twelfth, Nineteen thirty four to a sixteen year old mother, and he was pretty much destined to become the leader of a cult of young people that felt they'd been abandoned, 'cause his mom spends quite a bit of time herself behind bars. So for a couple of weeks after he was born, he was just called no name Maddix well, Yep, before he was named who'll Charles. Mills Matic Mills, Maddox, a paternity suit filed by his mother Kathleen medics against a Colonel Walker Henderson Scott senior muffle. Now links his biological father who happens to be a conman? Scott as it turns out is not actually an army colonel at all that. His given name all along like his name is currently. I don't know what's worse that or what baby boy. There's just no name. Oh No name, just name no-name. Okay, if I don't know what's worse. So when Kathleen informed him that she was pregnant, he told her he'd been called away on army business to escape the responsibility. Okay? When Kathleen realized he was never coming back several months later after he was still just gone, she ended up marrying William Eugene. Manson about three months before little, Charlie was born. Okay, This person seems to have actually been at least a law-abiding fellow on paper. Paper there was nothing reported about anything. He did there then they got divorced two years later. Yeah, because he got all his sleazy genetics from his biological mother and Father Right? Yeah I know he had nothing to do with it except giving Manson his last name. Yeah, so his mother spent plenty of time locked up as I mentioned before for various reasons like assault, robbery and grand larceny. Yep there's a bit of an alcoholic as well. It sounds like she spent quite a bit of time at alcoholics. Anonymous a non no, no, no, no. Enemy. So thanks to her stints in prison. Charlie spent most of his life in and out of different institutions, or with his aunt and uncle by the age of nine Manson set his school on fire. And before the age of thirteen, he was getting in trouble for truancy and petty theft put like. Isn't that something? We all wish we could do. And he had gut. It actually do it. Just took it upon himself was like you know what everybody says they want to burn. Was Doing Aquino what slow! Yeah burn down the ORLEANS. KITCHEM at the age of thirteen. Charlie was placed in the guilt Catholic school for boys. In Terre, Haute, INDIANA the school would punish students breaking even the smallest of rules. And those punishments included beatings with either a wooden pallet or leather strap well then. Twice, Manson attempted to run away from this place the first time being returned by his own mother after Christmas, but the second time he successfully made it to Indianapolis where he committed his first known crime robbery of a grocery store, which he was originally doing just to get food, but then he discovered I think a cigar box full of money and took that to get himself a place to stay and some. Some more food right after this. He tried to go straight for awhile and got a job delivering messages for Western Union but it wasn't long before he was resorting to petty theft again to get some extra money. By nineteen, forty nine, he was caught and sent to boys town, which is juvenile facility in Omaha Nebraska, but within days he and another student Blackie Nielsen obtained a gun and stole a car. Charlie was about fifteen at this point. Two boys committed to armed robberies on their way to Nielsen's articles home in Peoria Illinois turns out. Nelson's uncle is a professional thief who allegedly took them on as apprentices. Charlie was arrested again two weeks later in the night. He wasn't a very good apprentice apparently. Wasn't a very good teacher could be a little bit of both. A yeah, I'm willing to bet on that. No not. So two weeks later, he was cotton arrested in a nighttime raid of a store and was lucky enough to also have his previous two armed robberies tied to him. Did he have like the same Mo then? I don't know it didn't say oh. Yeah like Howard. How are they tying those together? FIGURE OUT him. must he must have had the same amount like he must have been like the same or. fessed up yes. Yeah after this. He was sent to a strict reform school the Indiana Voice School, where he was allegedly raped by other students at the encouragement of a staff member, what the foot and also repeatedly beaten okay, so this led him developing his own self defense technique at the school when he was physically unable to defend himself, he called this technique the insane game. And, he would screech. Grivas wave his arms to convince his aggressors that he was insane. I've heard that that's ineffective is to. Yeah pretending to be absolutely insane. Because if you're unpredictable than people don't know how to react, yeah, especially, if you're screeching. Yeah, and waving your arms in the air like you just don't care. He attempted to escape the school total of eighteen times, but was finally successful in nineteen, fifty one when he got out to other boys. Okay, so he needed to people help the. The three of them made it as far as Utah by robbing filling stations in stealing cars, trying to get to California allow. Yeah, so now he was sent to Washington DC national training. School for boys. When he was caught for the federal crime of driving a stolen car across state lines, so he got sent back all across the country after making it till you. fucking. Here, he was given like assessments and it was discovered that he was actually illiterate. Oh, but because he kept breaking out of school, I mean, but he was also beaten, so maybe it wasn't getting a whole lot of learning done anyway, brain dead, but he had an above average IQ of one hundred nine weird. Yup I thought that was okay all right, so we can like critically think, but he can't read right. Though yeah, so his caseworker deemed him aggressively antisocial. Yeah, and with that sounds about right. With that assessment, he a psychiatrist recommended that he be sent to a minimum security institution so by October. He was transferred to Natural Bridge Honor Camp. A month from his parole hearing in February, Nineteen, fifty, two Manson was caught raping a boy at knifepoint, what the fuck, and was then transferred to the federal reformatory in Petersburg Virginia. You would think had that done to you. You wouldn't want to do it to other people. But? It sounded like he was like his childhood was full of him, not being control right. In the for the first time in his life, he have him sense of control. Yeah, like not only the knife, but like the raping. Yeah, yeah with being the aggressor for once. Yeah, although he is kind of aggressor when he robs places, point but. You know at the Federal Reformatory Petersburg. He committed another eight serious disciplinary offenses three involving homosexual acts. This was a quote. I don't know what these acts were. Specifically. You can use your imagination I don't want to I don't either, but. Those, who would like to so? He was moved to a maximum security reformatory in chillicothe, e Ohio, where he was supposed to remain until his release on his twenty first birthday in November of nineteen fifty five. But was released early in May nineteen, fifty, four, due to good behavior. Why isn't a thing? Is. You hate that you can totally fake. You can fake one hundred percent of psychological thing you can do. Why is that a thing? That makes me really mad. Anytime I hear about people who've done heinous crimes and. And they're like he was released on. Good behaviour. Shot the follow up. So after he got out, he married. Jeanne Willis in January of nineteen fifty five, but by October of that year he was once more chartered a federal offence. Of taking a stolen car across state lines when he and his now pregnant wife drove from Ohio to Los Angeles a few months prior, it took him all the way from Ohio to California. Get clock. Yeah, and it was like three months after they'd already arrived in l. a. when they got caught so. Stolen car and they're like yeah. I would assume they just ran the place because they're like Ohio. So a psychiatric evaluation led to him getting five years probation, but his failure to appear at an La. Identical charge filed in Florida led to his March, Nineteen fifty-six arrests in Indianapolis where his probation was revoked, and he was sentenced to three years at Terminal Island San Pedro California in this all over the place. He's just getting a thrown into pretty much every prison. No! Maybe as a bucket list. He's like Neptune. Nobody does that way. He doesn't even know he's like. Check them off. He's got one of those little scratch lists where you Check it out by got it scratch and sniff. So of course Ananias. California would probably like orange maybe. Got Us oh, that's true. Rapport your favorite. So, obviously Rowsley gave birth to Charles Manson junior while Manson was in his first year imprisoned. Pregnant when he went in so the following year in nineteen, fifty seven. He had sorry she had stopped visiting. Was Living with another man. Okay, his mom told him know. All right I don't. Like following him across the country like his mom, yeah. So less than two weeks before his parole hearing Manson attempted to escape by stealing a car and was given five years probation. and. Parole was obviously denied. It's so repetitive dealer. Car Jail Steel. I know tried to escape tale like why. Why even bother just just turf your time at this point? You to get parole. By nineteen, Fifty, eight Manson was given five years. Parole in Rosalie had divorced him spice. Don't blame her, however by October. He was pimping a sixteen year old girl, and another girl from a wealthy family was supporting him already having girls taking care of him. Teenage girls, teenage girls in September of Nineteen fifty, nine Manson pleaded guilty to charge of attempting to cash a forged US treasury check and ended up receiving a ten year, suspended sentence and probation after a young prostitute named Leona made a tearful plea before the court that they were deeply in love and would marry. Harley were freed okay, so the beginning of the cult not quite, but we're getting there all right. Yeah, inching slowly and slowly up through the wormhole. They did in fact. Get marriage. Oh! Within the year Manson was next held and questioned for violating the Mann Act by taking his new wife, Leona and another woman to New Mexico for the purposes of prostitution, the man act for those of you who may not know made it a felony charge to engage in interstate or foreign commerce of transport of any woman or girl, for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or any other immoral purpose so trafficking. Yes, that was my thought while I was reading that earlier. Human Trafficking Yeah after one of the women was caught for prostitution Manson was arrested shortly after ended up serving out his ten year sentence having violated his probation on the forge treasury check, so he went back to prison for that from July. Nineteen, sixty one to June nineteen, sixty six Manson was kept in the United States penitentiary at McNeil Island Washington where he took guitar lessons from Alvin Creepy Carcass, creepy carcass. Is. Nickname was creepy. Because that's a nickname, you want the leader of the Barker carpets game so in June nineteen sixty six. Manson was sent back to Terminal Island to prepare for early release by March. Twenty first nineteen. Sixty seven has released A. he had spent more than half of his thirty two years of life in prison and other institutions sounds about right. He even told authorities that prison had become his home and requested permission to stay L.. was denied yeah. So. Yeah that was interesting to me. He was like yeah. You know which I guess I have heard of that. Yeah, that reminds me like yeah. I think that's what we're going to talk to you on that. There's a lot of killers who end up in jail on. They're like you shouldn't let me out like I'm just going to do some bad shit when I get out. Because they don't know how to be people anymore. They don't know how to live in society. Yeah, how live in jail they know how? Criminals like. Being Standing Member of society, we'll even outside of that. Isn't it? Like what the? Shawshank redemption one of them explorers like somebody got released, and they just didn't know how to deal with it and I think they committed suicide. That's like PTSD with soldiers. Yeah, like you just don't know powder. Be Normal Person. Yeah, so yeah I thought that was interesting, but it does make sense. So Manson emerged from prison into an era of free love. Right the Senate he quickly begin to attract a group of followers from around California. Mostly Young Women Manson was able to sense the alien nation bewilderment in weakness of the Hippie culture and knew just how to explain them. He had an uncanny knack for finding girls who were damaged receptive to his thoughts and ideas, women who had hole in their lives that they were looking to fill somebody missing that they needed like a father figure, or whatever, yeah, so people, the second member to be recruited to the Manson family was from She had just been thrown out by her parents and Manson. pull up and got out saying your parents through your out, didn't they? She asked him how he knew that he just knew the look on her. Yeah But from the sound of it, it's not like shaller stuff with her. Okay. So she asked him how he knew and I I assume he offered to let her come with him. Yeah, she says that he waited about thirty seconds and told her he can't make up. For her, and said goodbye, and he left, he got about halfway down the block before she gathered upper stuff when after. It's like when you play the the phone call game after you go on a date with someone I'm going to wait three days. But she was just totally flabbergasted she but she had also thought he was a genius and a psychic. Knew that she had been thrown out of her house. Yeah, even though the signs were blatantly. The sad girl on the side of the road with a bunch of belongings. And your young until if you're a teenager. Still Live with your parents. Let's either apparent or an ex-boyfriend. With you being young enough. You were probably thrown out by your parents yet so. Yes she. I guess it's safe to say that. She was enamored from the start. And from video interviews I've seen cheese most certainly still enamored with the man like she gets a little sparkle in her eye and smiles at the mention of him. Yeah, it's scary and she's like what in her sixties now yeah! I think so for her. Though life improved dramatically once she became a part of the Manson family because he was able to escape from the frightening household where she was treated like A. A wrongdoer by her father, so Manson very quickly became like father figure for her like I think he did for a lot of other girls. Yeah, a lot of the girls were really young like you said yeah, so the core members of his group included his right hand Lynette squeaky from Charles Tex Watson Robert Beausoleil. Mary Burner, who I believe was actually the first person he took it and she was a librarian. Inch Susan Atkins Linda Abyan Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten. So the Group of about twenty five young people settled on abandoned movie set called spawns movie ranch, nineteen, sixty eight. Every member had their role to play. The more attractive women were kind of sent out to take advantage of men surprise surprise considering he used to prostitute other girls yeah, squeaky was the group's den mother, so she was sort of like the motherly figure. She was always kind of like there to take care of people and stuff like that. And Pat was sort of enforcer she if anybody was questioning whether they should be there or if they wanted to stay or if they were trying to get out, there would be sent to her, and she would somehow kind of convince them that it. You know it was okay to stay made them. So former members also state that Manson would offer them LSD, so they were constantly tripping. And tell them to take it, but would either never partake of it himself, or he would take much smaller doses to kind of maintain his own lucidity interesting, but is it really that surprising because he could make them more successful? Yeah, say that kind of plays into the control aspect where. Like all you as tripping, I'm not so I, can make you do nervous i. want you to yeah, so he was always kind of preaching to them in his own way of just like you know his bizarre I say thoughts, but like he would say things that to them because they were under the influence, just like prophetic like you know, time didn't exist. Before man came around man invented time. Mind like go shit. I can't believe I never thought of that before. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense for how he was able to like manipulate an influence them that they were just constantly in a state of high. And such a large group and it was so you know it was so rampant at the time. Know the whole free love Euro with drugs and all that just being everywhere. So that's all I have about our lovely Charles Manson and his people his. Trigger warning what she had to get into is It's very brutal. It's very glory. Yeah, so I'm sorry, but if you're sensitive or you're listening in an environment where it is sensitive, hopefully, not listening with your children, but yeah, put your headphones on or off. Yeah, you know, wait till later we'll. We'll give you a second. Okay, so in his life. Manson was essentially a failed rock and roll star. While in prison in the early sixties, he taught himself how to play guitar. Well sort of sort of little little bit of hope. Yeah, there was another inmate and that kind of helped him, and then after his release he went to San Francisco where he met Gary Hinman. That's someone I'll touch on later. Gary Hinman. Put Him in touch with Dennis Wilson. who was a member of the beach boys? Wilson then introduced Manson to music producer, Terry Melcher. who kind of Kit Manson on the hook? Because he considered producing him after hearing Manson's music, but like ultimately decided not to, and he kinda ghosted Manson. Dick Yeah and the reason why I bring this up is because the house of Sharon Tate Roman Polanski were that they were renting. So it was the former house of Terry Melcher. So Terry Melcher was a previous renter before tate and Polanski took it over. So there's some theories as to why Manson in the family chose the House that they did was Sharon tate and Polanski the night of the murders at this time, Laurel Canyon was like the center of rock and roll culture. Okay and many famous residents live there so naturally. Manson gravitated towards the area. Right. Manson was also really familiar with the house because he visited while Terry Melcher live there that make sense. Yeah, there was even an account from Sharon's personal photographer Khatami. That Manson actually came to the House one day asking for. Melcher but Khatami told him that this was a Polanski residence. Like maybe you're looking for a neighbor sharing peyton Roman Polanski implants deliver now. In Sharon was supposedly on the front porch during the time, and there was nothing obstructing her and Manson so chances are they saw each other? Right, and so Manson like fully knew that like Belcher didn't live in this house anymore but in. The area is similar with the House. It's just really ominous I don't know. Maybe he was kind of hoping that well. Maybe he doesn't live here anymore. Maybe you know where he lives now or maybe you know. Maybe he was just kind of reaching. Yeah, because he was looking for Melcher, appears like I said he was like on the hook, but like Malchow like goes at him, and he's like. Yeah, no I'm not gonNA produce you. Know! He didn't even go so far as to say that he was looking. Because he like the bigwig music producer. Who Cares if like I ghost? This link random person off the street you know. How to play Guitar Prison, Yatch and so like I ride that he was just okay like he wasn't good. He wasn't bad, just okay. Right, obviously, like nothing worth being famous like the beach, boys or something, right? So that's why Terry Melcher just like I'm not going to give him the time of day, not worth. My time still took him still yeah. So talking about rock and roll in the sixties, Manson was obsessed with the Beatles. he even told multiple people that if given the chance, he could be bigger than the Beatles. Oh my God, but I mean realistically who wasn't obsessed with the Beatles at the time. Yeah true. I know. My mother was a huge fan. Well! Why not. So he took some songs and lyrics from their white album, and connected it to the New Testament's book of revelations in the Bible. which like if you're not familiar with that book? Kind depicts like the end of times. And I didn't list this. Because this is just such a heavy topic, but if you go on, wikipedia the actually have a list of lyrics from the album and leaner. What the lyrics word and then how Manson interpreted that lyric really so it was really interesting. Yeah, I didn't put in any examples or anything, but I just want to reference you to that wikipedia article. It's fascinating. But one that I do want to mention is helter skelter. I'm sure if you've heard of Manson, you've heard of yearly familiar with the term. You may not know what it is. But have heard some sort of connection between helter skelter. Manson, Yup, so it's a song by the Beatles on the white album, and it was originally it was named after a slide found in playground amusement parks that like twist and turn. Ya You know I, get that yeah yeah okay, and Manson interpreted the song differently and later started saying that helter skelter was an oncoming race board that he had always been prophesyzing about. I would love to read his interpretation of the lyrics because that blows my mind that they were talking slide here of all. And he was like. War Yeah wars coming. Yeah, but not just any war well, because apparently hid always talked about this oncoming race war, and it wasn't until he heard helter skelter where he named it helter skelter. I mean in reality. He wasn't wrong. It it has. Rights movement, yeah, the civil rights movement like really took a took a stronghold in the sixty s obviously like there has been like centuries of turmoil between. Blacks and whites and stuff like that, so he's not wrong that something like that was coming, but Even still today I mean it's insane yeah. He said that the race riots and the black militancy of the sixties was just beginning. And during the war, he and his family would hide out underground in after it all ended, they would rise from the rubble and be on top and of role. What was left? Who did he think was going to win? Or does he? He? Yeah, he thought that the blacks would win. So. Brittle me this. How is he going to prophesized that? The blacks are gonNA rise up against the whites and take them down. And then he's going to rise from the rubble, a white man, so this is where. I'm uncomfortable talking honey I but there is an answer to your question, so he felt that the blacks would win. Right. But. They were too uneducated to know had rule. Says the illiterate asshole now who's getting prison his whole life, so he was he and his family. We're going to teach them. How to rule. And by doing, so they would be on top with the ruling race. I promise you. They know how to rule without you. Chair if they if they ever wanted that, they want that. So. That's the answer to your question. Yes. At his trial which you're gonNA, get into later We're just GONNA touch on a little bit because he mentioned helter skelter. So at his trial, when asked about why he committed the murders Manson said it's the Beatles the music they're putting out. These kids listen to this music and pick up the message. Slow subliminal. Yet and in an interview with rolling stone in one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy, he said this music is bringing on the revolution, the unorganized overthrow of the establishment. The Beatles know what's happening in a sense that the subconscious knows. So essentially he was listening to the Beatles and he was like. Yeah. The Beatles know exactly what I'm talking about like in all, these kids are listening to it, so they're the ones who influenced. Yeah, the listen to me when it's time yeah! Go Man so in an interview when asked about Manson and the connection to helter skelter, Paul McCartney said that he titled after an Amusement Park Ride. And it was originally a metaphor for the downfall of civilization. which yeah I was Kinda confused with Mike Yeah that kind of sounds like how Manson interpreted it. I mean the only thing he did was at his own flair to it by. Yeah, they racehorse specific. But he. He pretty much. Hit the nail on the head. So he said quote I was using the symbol of helter skelter as a ride from the top to the bottom, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, and this was the fall the demise. The going down right which I mean I mean, yeah, I could see how Manson would have gotten that if that's Paul McCartney had originally intended. Yeah I mean they literally intended for it to be. The society's coming to an end. Yeah, in a helter skelter sort of way. And that's what he read. Yeah, a lot of the other. The other Beatles members had things to say about it like John Lennon was like kids. These days are always looking for meanings in our lyrics It has nothing to do with that. People are always reading between the lines and stuff like that so. Yes and so I'M GONNA. Talk about the murder victims now and before I get into how they died I wanted to kind of background on who they were as people. Right because their name was just Kinda went down in history as like these gruesome like murders, with by the Manson family and I just want to kind of give you a little bit of who they actually were. Give him the respect as the list of people who died and pretty much. Yes pretty much. All these articles like Manson family murder victims I'm like they were people yes. Victims, they most certainly and like they all like had their place in Hollywood like old Hollywood. So the first victim Sharon tate. She was born in Dallas Texas on January. Twenty, fourth, nineteen, forty three, she was a model and actress who was known for her roles, jaded, recurring role in the beverly hillbillies her first. Major role in a movie was I of the Devil. And she was also co starring with her future husband Roman Polanski in the fearless vampire, interesting yeah, and then one of her breakout roles was valley of the dolls during her audition for the fearless vampire. Actually, that's when she met Polanski. Because? He was the director and Co Star. Yeah at the time. However, she was dating JC bring. No and he is actually one of the other murder victims awhile. I'll tell you stayed friends. Yes, so actually when Sharon wanted to break up with Jay, so she could be with Polanski. Jay Actually flew to London to try to fight for her. Oh my goodness out! I. With after meeting Polanski, he decided he liked him and he was a good guy. Oh Yeah and gave sharing his blessing, because Sharon was just like head over heels for Polanski and then Jay was like. He's a good guy, and then after that the three were just really good friends. Yeah in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight. Sharon Tate in Roman Polanski married in London and she became pregnant shortly after that. And then they rented the House the infamous House on Cielo. Drive that no longer exists that no longer exists. so during her life, Sharon served as a fashion icon, and even currently her style is still a major influence Oh for instance in a twenty ten photo shoot Drew Barrymore took inspiration from Sharon tate style for Harper Bazaar Magazines Bread. Interesting and the costume designer of Madman stated that she took inspiration from Sharon wind. She dressed Megan draper. Let's cool, and then like so Sharon was just like this really like bubbly like nice down to earth kind of person. rages like really liked her. So Jay, sebring, he was born in Birmingham. Alabama on October Tenth Nineteen thirty three. So he was ten years older than than Sharon, he was a very famous hair stylist to the stars and Hollywood and he founded the International Corporation. Let's go. He was known for innovating cutting men's hair, so I read about this like using scissors instead of strangers or something like that and shampooing ammann's hair before cutting it, and just like all the things you kind of know of today. He kind of innovative that for men's hair and so it. I read. It bumped the prices of men's haircuts from like one dollars to fifty dollars. So I'm like okay. But he was a he was a hairdresser to the stars, and some of its clients were Steve. McQueen. Frank Sinatra Sammy Davis Junior. So like a lot of really famous people in. Yeah. That's cool. He even helped jump start. Bruce Lee's career. which I thought was fascinating. Nice, so he met Lee at a karate championship in Long Beach California. And then he introduced him to his friend Bill Dosier. who was a producer and later Bruce Lee was cast as Kato in the Green Hornet. Oh Wow, 'cause bill. Do you know anybody that's good at martial arts. I'm trying to fill this role and JC brings like Guy I'm at school. Yeah, so those very cool. Yeah, and then actually Steve McQueen, said a eulogy Jay's funeral so vegetarian tells you like the influence he had in. It didn't just cut her. And then Abigail folder. which folder might sound familiar to you? the coffee. Father's favorite. Yes, the best thing in your cup right. Thing Waking. Best part of Waking Up. Okay, I'm not going to do that. Spoke! Coat, but you will. So she was born August eleventh, nineteen, forty three, and she was born into a wealthy family, and was the heiress to the folger's coffee fortune. She was a debutante and a model student who graduated from Harvard with an art history degree. And when she was in New York, she worked in a bookstore and then lady. She worked as a social worker and lower class areas. And it was in new. York than she met her boyfriend Vojtech for a Caskey He was an aspiring writer, and then they short shortly started dating. They moved to Los Angeles where they rented a home in the Hollywood hills. And Abigail actually volunteered as a social worker in the rough neighborhoods of La during this time as well. So, she was just a all around good girl. That's cool so Vojtech for Caskey her boyfriend, but he was born December, twenty, second nineteen, thirty six in Poland and he was said to be a troublemaker in school to insult who is when was when he actually met Roman Polanski. So, he met them while almost getting into a fistfight with each other. Roman Polanski was like the bouncer doorman of this school dance doorman. Yeah! Man, and he was trying to prevent Frankowski from coming in because he knew he was a troublemaker right and he was like. You're just going to mess up the dance for everybody in some like they almost got into a fistfight fight but they later became good friends and drinking buddies. Later like after for cows, skis, death like Polanski said. His tough exterior Vojtech was a good natured, soft hearted to the point of sentimentality and loyal. And Roman Polanski eventually began making his way into the film industry in Poland and Vojtech him around kind of helping him where he could. Eventually. Polanski went on to do his own thing. And vojtech was kind of wandering around looking for his own path in life, and that's how we ended up in New, York, where he met Abigail through mutual friends, the good girl. Yes, girl meets the bad boy, yeah! since Vojtech was a close friend of Roman Polanski. Naturally Abigail would frequently visit Sharon and Roman at their home. Actually while away scouting film locations and working on various film projects in London. Sharon in Roman asked Abigail and Vojtech to move into their home on Ceelo drive and house while they were away. Because, it was like a few months. That they were going to be con- for because they were working on film projects looking for film location things like that. But sharing was heavily pregnant, and so she returned home from London ahead of Romans or Roman kind of stayed back in London to continue working while sharing just came back to la, so she was eight months pregnant. At this time. So then we have Leena La. BIANCA LURKER! He was born. August sixth, nineteen, twenty five, and he was the son of Italian American immigrants through his early life. He followed in his father's footsteps into the grocery store industry, so he was like a wealthy owner of a supermarket. Served in world, war two and after returning. He married his high school sweetheart and had three kids with her. Wow although they later got divorced. Oh. Lino married Rosemary, so Rosemary Labianca. It's kind of if he on where she was born. They said she was born in Mexico. so she was raised in an orphanage in Arizona until she was twelve, and then she was adopted by the Ham, the harmon family after getting married and having kids of their own. She also got divorced prior to meeting Lino. Like, this was kind of a time where divorce was kind of like starting to get okay like like socially acceptable, and also like she's Mexican and La Bianca is a white person so mixed. Marriages were also starting to become a little bit more acceptable while so they're both doing really well for themselves Selena was running his successful supermarket business and Rosemary actually opened up a high dress dress shop in the same little mini mall of market. Yes, they're doing like really well for themselves, yeah! A little brief biographies of the other all emerged entrepreneurial in a way. Yeah, most of them anyway. Most of them. So! Let's get back to Manzoor in the family. Yeah, whether it was because of his failing music career, and his Hollywood connections were drying up, or for whatever other reason Manson believe that if helter skelter was going to happen, he and his family would be the one start at themselves right so their first victim was Gary Hinman broker, so the man I mentioned before. It was it happened on July. Twenty, fifth nineteen, sixty nine, so like I said he was actually a friend of Manson's, so the family knew him very well, and he is a musician and a music teacher, and it wasn't really clarified why Manson in the family targeted him. There's different theories in different speculations as to why. One of them was like maybe he crossed. Bobby boost lay in a bad drug deal. or he crossed another family member or like they were just after Gary's inheritance money, or they were like trying to get gary to join the cult, and he just kept refusing yeah. There's actually also a rumor that Manson attempted to murder. A drug dealer named Bernard Crow and the it was attempted murder. He didn't actually die. Manson needed the money to move out of spahn ranch before they were rated before they found him. Because crowded didn't die, so he could name Manson as his attempted murder so speculations, but regardless of the reason. On Channel Nine thousand nine, hundred sixty nine bobby. Salei went to Gary's house and tied him up. And then he called Manson and some other family members to come help, and they tortured him for several days before they eventually killed him. Oh my God during the torture Manson's life sliced off his ear with. A sword. To get that. Do you have to question anything that he does. At this point I mean it didn't sound like. He walked around with a sword on like the daily, just curious. This is the first I'm hearing about a sword. Yes, so he cut off Gary's ear and the girls who were with him, which were Susan Collins and Mary. Brunner so the two girls you mentioned. They sewed it back up dental floss. Oh! Yeah. No, But whatever it's called. The family members then held a pillow over Hinman face wall. Bobby stabbed him repeatedly until he died. So, they wrote political piggy in Henman's blood. Andrew pop print to make it look like the Black Panthers did it. Because they wanted to throw the authorities off their trail, and maybe it'll help start the race war right because a block printer very active at this time. And, so they didn't want the merge be tied back to the family. There's also a theory that they wanted to kind of create a string of murders similar to each other, so that when they committed the tate labianca murders later on, it would seem like a copycat murder or that Manson wanted to commit more brutal and shocking murders to get the nation's attention over days later on August eighth. Manson woke up the family members. Members in the middle of the night, so he woke up Tex Watson Linda Ca Sabin Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkel in the middle of the night, and told them to dress in dark clothes in an interview Patricia Krenwinkel said Manson instructed them to do everything instructed. The techs told them to do so we kind of Texan charge of everything right so whatever tech said it was essentially directly for Manson so listened to him. So Manson told text to kill everyone in the house at the Cielo, drive residence and everyone that lived on that road. Okay, so he wanted the family member should just go up and down the road and kill everybody, not just Sharon Tate. he even told them how to get into the House since he was familiar with it from his previous visits with Melcher. Yeah. And like you said he knew her didn't live there. Yeah, so he was literally just can't well. I'm just going to pick this house because I know how to get into it so much sooner. The people that live there. He told them to make the murders look witchy. I remember hearing that end to right which he things on the walls. Yeah, and squish eyeballs on the walls, make you. As, you can okay, no, but the Abbas. It's gross. Lyndon Kosabe state back in the car to keep watches the getaway, driver, and so tex. Susan and Patricia made their way to the house. Tax climbed a telephone pole and cut the phone lines to the house, and then he jumped over the gate at the gate of the driveway. The first victim was actually eighteen year old Stephen. Parent who just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was visiting the caretaker of the Polanski residents. and. He was leaving like around midnight. He was leaving the home and if he left a few minutes earlier. Maybe I would have been fine. He was right at the gate when tanks jumped. Texts shot him. Four Times point blank and then stabbed him. God why I don't know excessive. Yeah and so tax walked up. The driveway snuck into the House the dining room window and let the girls in the front door. The first person they saw was Vojtech and he was lying on the couch in the living room. Vojtech asked who they were in Texas. I'm the devil here to do the Devil's work. Give me all your money. Oh, wow, yeah, he sent Susan Atkins to check the rest of the house to see if there are any other people in this part was creepy to me, so she walked down. The hallway looked into a room, saw Abigail reading a book on her bed. She smiled and waved at Abigail Abigail Smile and waved back. So I'm like you have this fucking intruder in your house or someone you've never seen before zooming the other people let her in. I mean clearly yeah for all. She knows there. She's a friend of somebody's. If the if you're walking around confidently, yeah, and smiling and waving. Must Belong here like I just thought it was so eerie. especially, the Abigail smile waved back. Oh yeah all the video footage of the. And, just how little they care is shocking I've seen a lot of pictures, and they're just like at their hearings and stuff they have smiles yeah. Fuck. So Susan continued towards the back of the House. And then she saw sharing J. in it back bedroom, talking to each other, so Susan went back to the living room to report tax what she saw that there were other people in the house, and he told her to round everybody up into the living room with a knife. He also instructed Susan to tie Vojtech up with a towel. So let's. Do all the work will Yeah. Yeah, but link with a towel. I know that's yeah, but they also had ropes because they tied ropes around Jay. Insurance Nex so. There's also a phone cord somewhere. Yeah more effective than Tau although we. We don't really want them to be more effective through. The way. He was tied an how haphazard he was tied into something later so. When Jay tried to defend Sharon saying, can't you see she's pregnant trying to defend her? Because at this point Sharon was eight months pregnant shoes very heavily pregnant. Texts shot him? And then when he fell to the ground, he started stabbing in kicking him until he died. My God and I think shot him a couple more times. Lord yeah because he stood up and try to defend Sharon like. To his last dying breasts like he cared about Sharon was protecting his wife the love of his life well, Jay wasn't his wife. Right I mean Sharon. Wasn't Z. Y. Yeah but extra. Yay Vojtech only bound by the towel. He was able to get loose, so he ran out the front door. Texts chased him down, tackled him on the Front Lawn where he stabbed him fifty one times and shot him twice. Yeah, Abigail also attempted to escape. She managed to run out the side door, and Patricia chased after her tackled her in Stanford Twenty one times. In an interview Patricia said Abigail whispered I'm already dead after she was stabbed the first time. And I'm like. Just, remembering like what you're victims, last words were light. Yeah like clearly haunted her for her entire life. Stole remembering it now. Yeah! I was watching. A documentary called the six degrees of helter skelter. There was a coroner who was kind of going over the autopsies of all the murder victims. And he said that the pattern of the stab wounds on Abigail Body it seemed like very frantic in frenzied right kind of like the attacker. Just like crazy going on, it's dabbing wherever and there were also sends that Abigail tried to fight off the attack. Right so you're listening to you I mean yeah. I'm just going to lay there and be like. Sharon was the last to die the whole time. She was pleading for her life and the life of her baby. She even said they kidnap her and kill her. Once the baby was born, she just wanted to make her baby was alive. And Susan said that she was tired of hearing. Sharon's whining and said to her look bitch I have no mercy for you. And then she stabbed Sharon Sixteen Times. Oh my God she carbon x on Sharon's abdomen. She was even tempted to cut the baby out of the womb to present it as a gift to Manson, oh. My God, she didn't do that, but the I saw in the document there. Yeah, the documentary I watched. They were crime scene photos an so disturbing because you could literally see a very pregnant Sharon tate bloodied on the floor Oh God yeah! That's awful. also document documentary. They mentioned. Had Susan cut the baby out of the womb. It might have lived as research survivor. like they said that if sharing was rushed to the hospital after the attack, the baby could have lived, but because it took a little while for paramedics to get there. Obviously, it wasn't reported until the following morning when the housekeeper came. Yeah, there was like literally nobody there. Everybody that was in the house died, and it wasn't until the housekeeper showed up the next morning, and saw all his bodies fucking elaine everywhere. And there wasn't going to be anybody coming, but speaking of if you know back to things like if something had happened a certain way, if that eighteen year old kid has left that few minutes earlier like you said. Number One, he might have survived a number two. He might have seen them showing up. Yeah, and he might have been able to at least run to a neighbor for help or yeah hide. For help like 'cause what was interesting is like they planned this down to the detail in that like Manson told them to park up the street and then walk to the house. So they can't so they couldn't connect the car to them the crime. Yeah, yeah, so they were essentially because like up in the in the hills where they lived, it was very common for people to just walk through just out of nowhere, so people wouldn't have noticed that like all the just us. Four people just walking down the road. Isn't saying to me that he's that smart and at the same time was constantly getting caught for everything. Like how how maybe he wanted to? I guess at some point in his life I think he was just kind of like. Yes, sweet, take me back to jail, but man before the family members left the house. Susan wrote pig on the front door in Sharon's blood. Oh God yeah, so kind of like playing into what they did at Henman's house. WHERE POLITICAL PIGGIES! Yeah so after that they drove down the street in stopped a random driveway, two hose off their bloody close. The owner of the House came out inside and I was like what the fuck you guys do, and you need to leave, and so like the family did the owner of the house was smart, and took down the license plate of the car, which ended up being a very important detail during the prosecution ochre, so while they were driving textile Linda to wipe off the fingerprints to the gun that they used in the murders and throw it out the car window into the Canyon. The gun ended up landing in the backyard Bernard Weiss. which was found a month later by his son, and turned into the police Africa yeah dumb. The night after the murders at the State House some sources said that Manson wasn't happy with the results, the murderers and called them sloppy, but so he decided to take the four back out along with two other members, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to go find another murder to commit. So. They found their way into the LOS FELICES area of La in stumbled upon the house of Leno and Rosemary, Labianca it was said that Manson chose this house because he used to party in a neighboring house. And since he couldn't go back there because they might tie the murders to him, they chose a house randomly across the street. Quote Unquote Randomly yes I mean I guess it was random, but it was random. House they chose, but it wasn't random in how they got there. Yeah, Yeah Texan Manson were the first to go into the house. Manson found Lino on the couch, and Rosemary was in the bedroom in a interview with Diane Sawyer. He talks about how he in texts like one of the first people in the house. And he said he saw a guy sitting on the couch, and so Manson is just sitting there putting his dog and who's like? Hi, and then the guy said hi back. So fucking weirdly. How are you not fucking scared that somebody's just randomly showed up in your house. Yeah, like how you're not immediately alarmed or no I did read somewhere that kind of like these murders influenced people or like make people kind of second guess you know locking their doors that makes sense because a lot of people at this time would leave their doors unlocked, so people could just walk in and out. Yeah, yeah, so we're time the. Game even imagine living then. Yeah Manson text tied up the couple with some leather laces that Manson happened to have around his neck told them that no harm would come to them. They were just thirty rob them right and then Manson left, and he took some some girls with him, but some and left, and the other girls went into the house to join texts m. that's when the shit went down. Text, tied pillows around the couple's heads with electrical cords attached to lamps. He's got a real thing about pillows on people's faces I. Don't know. Maybe it's to like level the screen. Yeah. Tex Stabbed Lino in the neck with a bayonet. Oh my God. Yes, only random fucking weapons! Well. It was kind of brought up that like. Around the time when? Manson I got the helter skelter thing in his head. They started the the compound that everybody was living in stopped being like a place of love and happiness, like they started learning how to kill people, and they started bringing in a bunch of weapons and stuff. Oh! Yeah, so it wasn't like just you know Oh. Let's just grabbed these girls and just see how they do. They were teaching them how to do stuff and I think from there. He kind of gauged, who could or could not carry out something like wow, so that's why he. He picked the four people to the tate. Murderers did the with yeah, okay. The same, and they were like these really heinous murders yet because I had I heard in an interview with somebody that they the reason that you know squeaky his right hand girl like the one who's pretty much at his heels. I mean Sadie I guess is the same way Susan Yeah the reason that. Eighty. squeaky wasn't involved in any of this was because he didn't think that she was capable of killing someone. Like Gavin I was so enamored with him. She would do whatever he wanted to. He just didn't think she had I. Think the Physical Strength. Do it or that? He just couldn't picture her doing it. Yeah interesting. Yeah I, mean I feel like if you're empowered enough, even do anything. And, so like, if this guy that you're in love with, says hey killed as person shirt. Yeah, but even she said you know I can. I can see that being pretty difficult sticky work. Even. She kind of agreed with that assessment. I am Yeah I. AM probably GonNa. Yeah, you're probably right. But he did say so. Of course she's going to believe it. Yeah, so he stabbed Leno in the neck with a bayonet. In case, you forgot detail, nope, the. And when he did this Lino, something similar to what Abigail said, he was like I'm dead. I'm dead. Yeah, and when Rosemary heard them attacking her husband, she began to blindly and violently swing the lamp. Those attacked jail electric cord, though trying to just like hit anything like she knew. The two girls were in the room with her. And, so she was just trying to hit anybody with. What good job. You went down fucking swinging. Go Girl Yeah. But when he heard the commotion texts came into the bedroom and started stabbing rosemary. And, he handed a knife to leslie inside. Do something. Because Manson had told him to make sure that everyone got their hands dirty. So Leslie took the knife and stabbed Rosemary in the back sixteen. Times. Oh my God in total rosemary was stabbed forty one times. Homework God. Yeah, it's really brutal. All over the body to arms, legs, but abdomen everywhere. Yeah, just like okay. Well I guess I'll pin cushion her I. Don't know that's insane yeah. Lino was ultimately stabbed thirteen times before he died. Patricia then carved the word war into his abdomen, and then stabbed him multiple times with a fork. Yeah, I was GonNa, say he was stabbed that where he died. How many was he stabbed after he did I? Think I want to say the autopsy report said he had like seven four puncture, wounds or something like that. But then she just leaves the fork in his abdomen. God. Goes Away. No, they didn't. They didn't do pig they did. Wars say that goes along with the. They did they did the so here's. Here's the things that they wrote on. The Wall is more things. It was more than just one word. Right, so they wrote the word rise. As if like the family going to rise up after the war, they wrote death to piggies. And they wrote helter skelter on the fridge, but they spelt helter wrong. This belt, Helter H. E. A.. L. T.. User, yes. Maybe. It's because Manson was illiterate, so everybody else will do. Not Spell for you on the album. Like I said, Manson took a couple of the other girls and left so while this murder was happening. Manson took the rest of the family members to Venice beach where their next target was Lebanese actor solid in deere. The reason why they knew about him, and where he lived was prior to this Lyndyk Abyan. Who one of the girls with Manson? Had A sexual relationship within the deer. However since Linda felt guilty for what was about to come, she lied about what apartment number year lived in Oh, yeah since they didn't find him at the fake apartment, they decided to leave and not kill anyone. I was GONNA say I. Don't remember hearing about this murder. Yeah, it was in the documentary. The six degrees of helter skelter right so like the murder didn't actually happen because Linda was like. Oh No, he lives in this apartment. But like what did they do just walking black? Me Are you near. Yeah so they like, so they actually knocked on. That apartment door saw that it wasn't a deer and was like all right, and then just left. Fork. Well, maybe because he wasn't anybody famous would've made an impact or like obviously. They didn't go to either of those other houses with those specific targets in mind. They're like no specific houses. Whoever's in there must die whereas this person's case, they just kind of go with us. Open Civic. Yeah, since they didn't find that person, it's like well. Yeah, yeah, decided to leave, not kill anybody, but not before Susan decided to take a dump in the Stairwell Oh my God. You woman. Okay this. Is Dumb at this time. Manson still had rosemary's wallet with him, so he told Lyndon to wipe down the Prince and hide the wall in a gas station bathroom where he'd hoped. A black person would find it. Use It to finance the upcoming race war. Yeah? And then he would coach them over yeah. So the wall. It wasn't actually found until December of that year, and at that point, the moisture of the toilet practically disintegrated it and this contents couldn't even be identified. Jesus phrased yeah, but so after after that they all went to Denny's an enjoy milkshakes together. Yeah I can see that. At first authorities had no idea that the Manson family was even involved in the murders of Tate Law Bianca's. They thought it was like a random like a random robbery that went bad or a drug deal. That went bad because actually taken abigail. We're KINDA KNOWN TO PARTAKE IN SUBSTANCES RIGHT? Yeah, so they they're thinking. Maybe it was like a drug deal that went bad by involving one of them or what, but like for a while. They didn't even know it was Manson. It was months before they even link them together so actually one week after the murders took place. The police rated spun ranch, not looking for murderers. Arrested Manson and other members of the family on suspicion of running an auto theft ring. Because there is a technical error in the warrant. They were all released a few days later. Yeah. They went there looking for stolen Dune buggies. Yeah Yep Yep. Not even knowing that they fucking communities brutal murders. Yeah, but. They were able to like. Play it off as they're not guilty enough to be able to re released like any other person with a normal conscience would have been freaking the fuck out. About the police, just showing up at your compound, but they're all like fucking sociopaths. They have no empathy and they're just like most all on drugs, so that to. Maybe they don't remember what they did. So Manson went back to the ranch, looking for someone to blame for the raid of course and Manson chose a ranch hand named Donald Shorty Shea. Remember the he was killed around August twenty fifth, so a few weeks later after the raid Manson. Bruce, Davis and Stephen. Grogan were arrested for the murder of shorty right and it actually wasn't until like nineteen. Nineteen seventy seven that Stephen Grogan confess where the body was Irqah well, so Manson and the family left Spahn ranch after that and moved to Barca ranch in death valley. were. It was also eventually rated. Manson and other family members were arrested for murder and sentenced to death. Now that you've ruined the outcome of the trial. Totally didn't know spoiler. Alert GONNA. Talk about the trial. So the trial began on July Fifteenth Nineteen seventy with Charles Manson, being tried for the murder and co-defendants Leslie Van Houten Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkel. On the first day of testimony July Twenty Fourth Manson appeared in court with x carved into his forehead. which he claimed to have done saying I have X. Myself from your world. He canceled himself. Canceled Culture can't come canceling muscle canceling missile from your world. I don't exist. Can't try me. Exist. What are your lawbooks? Say about that. Totally would never sound like that ever well I don't know He. He was a free thinker, just out loud. His co-defendants appeared the next day with their ex carved into their foreheads. Okay, so already just playing right into the fact that they blindly follow everything he does. They do it themselves, or did he do? They did it themselves? I e. Okay so throughout the trial Manson and his co-defendants would interrupt and mock proceedings to the extent that they were repeatedly removed from. To be forced to listen to the testimonies being given from elsewhere in the courtroom. Courthouse. But in interviews with the girls, you know much later in time. They said that he would actually tell them what to do. To disrupt proceedings that day. Wow, yeah, so every day was just scripted way of disrupting everything. That's weird. Was He planning on getting from that? I would assume just dragging it out. Yeah, just postponing the inevitable. Of the death sentence, or maybe you tried to go for some kind of sanity. Thing. I don't know. So at some point during the trial, Manson family members outside of the courthouse, showed up in saffron robes, and threatened to immolate themselves or set themselves on fire. The fuck if Manson was convicted. Which I guess! Some nuns in Vietnam had done to protest the Vietnam. War pretty recently in. Wow Yeah and I guess they. Throughout the entirety of the trial, there were members outside all the time including squeaky. Holding vigil in talking to the press in just just like touting that there's nothing wrong. They're innocent. They do anything or at the very least touting that he's innocent I, don't think they really gave a shit about their sisters. Yeah I mean there was. A lot of conspiracy that Manson. Never actually like committed the murders. It's not really a conspiracy, because if you think about it, he didn't he? Ordered people to do it, but he did not actually do it. which was genius on his part. There was the attempted murder of that drug dealer though. But I! Think that was. Kinda SORTA before the time of being like no, I'm going to be smart and not involved in murder. Yeah, the key witness to the trial. Was Manson family member Linda. Carr's Avian, who had been present in the car at both murders, which you said so she provided graphic testimony of the murders before going into hiding for the next forty years. Obviously you know the state of California presented a lot of evidence, but she was the key like they had plenty of witnesses, but she was the main one that she was like physically there. Yeah, and I mean she was part of the Manson family so I mean I. Guess You would have reason to lie, but she's clearly lying in the wrong direction if that's what she's doing. Yeah, so during the trial in August. Nineteen Seventy Manson held a newspaper headline that said that President Richard. Nixon believed that Manson was guilty of the murders either directly or indirectly. which led to defense moving for a mistrial, arguing that their clients had allegedly killed fewer people than Nixon's war machine Vietnam. So, of course, the judge obviously asked the jurors. If they would be able to proceed with the current with the information they have, but would they. Would they be able to continue without that coloring their judgment and they said yes. So that that failed. On October Fifth Seventeen Manson attempted to kill the presiding judge judge older himself by him by leaping over his lawyers table with a sharpened pencil and heading straight for the judge. How is that going to help your case? As he was led out of the courtroom. In the name of Christian justice somewhat should cut your head off. L., yeah, so I'm I'm honestly not sure where that outburst came from. Yeah, but that's that's the thing he. At some point. He shaved his head and claimed he was the double. Okay, because the devil is often portrayed as having a ballpit in Horny said I think he made his beard kind of. I don't know something like that I know. There was horns cider sharpened. Dialing of his hair. So obviously, everybody expected the the girls to shave their heads. The next day. They didn't on purpose knowing that people would think that that would play into the fact that he's still putting them yet. They eventually did shave their heads though. So by the end of everything, everybody's got a shaved head kill. The State of California rested its case on November Sixteenth Nineteen Seventy after presenting twenty two weeks worth of evidence, the defendant simply rested their case without ever presenting witnesses of their own to which the three female defendants shouted that they wanted to testify, but we're denied. Will Not Outright in court I believe. The attorneys had already talked to the judge beforehand. That they were probably going to do that and don't let it happen. Yeah, so they were denied, but the next day Manson himself also requested to testify and was allowed to do so, but without the presence of the jury. Why I couldn't say but. His testimony was as follows are quote these children that come at you knives? They are your children. You taught them I didn't teach them. I try to help them. Stand up most of the people at the ranch that you call. The family were just people that you did not want I know this that in your hearts and souls, you are as much responsible for the Vietnam war as I am for killing these people I can't judge any of you. You I have no malice against you and no ribbons for you, but I think that it is high time that you all start looking at yourselves and judging the live you live in my father is the jailhouse. My father is your system. I am only what you made me. I am only a reflection of you. You WanNa kill me I am already dead. have been all my life. I've spent twenty three years in tombs. You have built and put. He was asked after that if he wanted to give his testimony again with the jury president, and he said no I think my point thirty been made. So he was given the option and it's like I said my piece to the people I wanted to say to yeah, so on January. Twenty fifth seventy-one, the jury found Manson Krenwinkel Atkins guilty of first degree murder on all seven of the tate labianca murders. Than Helton was found guilty of first degree murder in the lobby, Arthur murders. A separate hearing was held in front of the same jury to determine that defendants should receive the death penalty. The female defendants each provided graphic details of the murders, and claimed that Manson had nothing to do with them, but that they were following the direction of key witness Linda Custodian. The women claimed that they were supposed to make. The murderers look copycat murders or crimes similar to the Gary Hinman, killing in order to free fellow family member Bobsleigh. was being held for the murder. They also expressed no remorse whatsoever for their crimes. In any video I saw. That was kind of like. You know around the murderers. earn murders, my God the trial. The girls were skipping and singing and smiling. Let's. Busy, yeah, they literally looked like they were on their way to a picnic. Person Yeah. We're seeing some pictures of the girls and were like smiling. They're like in their jail, outfits and stuffing yeah. They think they look adorable and their dresses. I mean they were. They were such good looking girls, and they just ended up in this league. Just Yeah Toilet Bowl of Manson. Thing. So I know that up to this point. I haven't really said anything about our lovely friend Tex Watson Yeah. We'll happen with him. He had to be extradited from where he wasn't Texas of all places. I mean capsules in his name Nick No. Yeah. He was the last one of all of the to be eventually convicted of the murders He received the outcome of being guilty of all the murders plus conspiracy to commit murder with Manson okay so on March twenty ninth nineteen, seventy-one, the original four defendants were sentenced to death. Texts I don't remember when he got his, but he was also sentenced to death at the outcome of his trial. At this time, the trial had been the most publicized, American Criminal Case of the twentieth century, and was the longest murder trial in American history at nine and a half months, and this was at the time whether or not, that's still true I. Don't know yeah, in Nineteen seventy-two California's death sentences were ruled unconstitutional. Any prisoners at the time with the sentence could petition to have the sentence modified to life, imprisonment or life imprisonment without parole so outside of the prison seen Monette squeaky from had continued to try and keep the Manson family together and keep the legacy alive, but was failing You know. Manson's not there anymore. Yeah, like you don't have the influence of Manson. WHO's GonNa? Follow you. You're not as charismatic. You're not counting like wigs. He's in prison for life for all. They know so they're going to really do like that is gone. It's like so I'm following you yeah, so she'd been writing letters to the girls inside and. Obviously as years passed, those girls were becoming disillusioned with Manson's teachings. Everything in a remember somebody stating in an interview that at one point, one of the girls ask squeaky what she had done for Manson lately while they were rotting away prison for him so they went to prison for him. What are you doing? Yeah, so squeaky decided it was time to show her devotion, and on September Fifth Nineteen, seventy five. She strapped a forty five caliber. Semiautomatic pistol tore leg. Set out to attempt to assassinate President Gerald Ford Okay Yup. She was quickly wrestled to the ground and secret service found that there was no round in the firing chamber, so of course she claimed that she never intended to shoot him. Okay so again. I think that Kinda plays into like maybe she never really did think she could. Yeah but she did end up serving prison time because of that. Yeah, so well in an interview with Diane, Sawyer in Nineteen Ninety three. She asked Manson whether or not he'd been shocked when his followers returned after the murders and he responded quote Ardo. Put it this way. Would you do me a favor when you leave talk to the lieutenant and ask him if he's shocked by what goes on in here every day I? See Blood in here every day every day. Someone's getting shot. Someone's getting cut. Someone's getting beat. I've lived in that all my life woman that don't wriggle up my forehead. You could pile a hundred bodies in front of my cell and that. Don't set me to do nothing laugh. Yeah, so. nope the mummy. On January first two thousand seventeen. Manson was reported to have been suffering from gastro intestinal bleeding, and was rushed to Mercy Hospital in Bakersfield but was deemed too weak for surgery. Returned to prison five days later on November nineteenth that same year Charles, Manson, died from cardiac arrest, resulting from respiratory failure and colon cancer, so has of three years ago. Almost yeah, Dear Charlie Manson passed away, didn't he have lake women who wanted to marry him and stuff while he was in prison. Oh, yeah, there was a girl who thinks twenty six and they actually went so far as to get the marriage license. But when he found out that essentially all she wanted was his body after he died. The he was of course heartbroken. Okay and let the marriage license expire. I actually did also read somewhere that he was like one of the most written to inmates of all time like receiving sixty thousand letters shame. In the time that he was in there. Yeah, well, I think he even attempted to put out an album. From prison. He was caught with a cellphone patty. Then I I don't know how they get these things. How do you know how to use a cell phone? Yeah while put in jail in the seventies right? Yeah, but I would assume he's probably been around people that showed us. It is different from a phone. I think it's I think if you put an iphone in front of somebody who's used to said it was an iphone foot phone. Nokia book doesn't seem as a Damn hand-held just with the screen. It might have been. What are those bricks? I don't know I. Don't remember the year that happened. Oh right I'm. Yeah I was thinking like to thousands and I'm like if you handed somebody like a smartphone or even like a little, Nokia brick phone in there. You still like the phones that they had in Seventies. Have, would you? How would you know how to record music, too? I don't know how he accomplished that I. Know that five copies were pressed. and. Two of them are with whoever he was collaborated curve, corresponding with outside and three are believed to have been with him, and it was obviously never published. So This man lead on interesting. Yeah from start to finish, don't joke so I. Just have a few little pop culture references because this episode is really long. But I. Just kind of wanted to mention some ones that have found that were interesting so obviously like the most recent one is once upon a time in Hollywood the Quentin Tarantino Film. That's still really wanna see that it's a good movie. I really enjoyed it, and after researching like, Sharon tate in the murders and stuff I really appreciated kind of what Tarantino did with with it obviously spoiler, but. Flagrant here's what I really liked in the movie was. Sharon Tate didn't die. Interesting. It was kind of like a take on how her life could have been if she wasn't murdered. Interesting and I thought what was really interesting was so Leonardo DiCaprio's character and Brad Pitt's character obviously were fictional, but they were based off of people from old Hollywood. And, they were actually the neighbors of Sharon tate in Roman Polanski in the movie hooker and the Manson family ended up at Brad Pitt House instead of Sharon Tate's house, and it was like a really cool scene at the end Brad. Pitt has his pit bull, and he like six them on the family members. Brad Paisley beat the shit out of them and. Yeah. It was like fucking us as we're like a really cool like NC typical Tarantino, style of cuisine and Brad, Pitt was just like so fucking awesome, and like the family members were just like beat to shit right. Pretty. Sure all of them ended up dying, but like live on. There's like police in paramedics and stuff, and then Sharon. Tate played by Margot Robbie comes out, and she's like Oh Gosh, what happened? And then she was like, do you WanNa come inside for a drink and so invites Brad pay into the House with C.. Bring in like all her other friends and stuff. So one thing that I thought was really cool in terms of Tarantino's take on the whole Manson thing. He. Actually invited sharing tate's sister Deborah to come watch. Margot Robbie film scene as Sharon Tate. And it was a scene in the movie. When Margot Robbie, sharing date goes movie theater and she asks like the box office. How much for movie ticket? And they tell her and she's like how much if I'm in the movie. And and they're like you're in this movie, and she's like yeah. I played the KLUTZ. So like they take a picture with her, and they're like Oh. My God this lady was in the movie, and then they let her in, and she'd like watching herself on screen, and she just kind of like enjoys hearing the people around her laughing at her parts. So it's like so many listening to our guests and we laughing jokes. So I am funny. I we turn on external validation yeah. And so, what was really cool was Debra said when she saw margo filming the scene. She started crying because she felt like for the first time in fifty years. She saw her sister again. She said that Margot played Sharon so accurately just like the cadence of voice, the bubbliness of personality like she said Margot, did it really well, and she just really loved. How was portrayed in the movie oh? That's awesome. Yeah, I really liked that and on top of that movie's really good. Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio awesome. To Watch that when I get my hands on it, somehow I do I do recommend so some other random culture. Marilyn Manson took his name from Charles. Manson is a combination of Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson, and he put the name together as Marilyn Manson. Because he thought it was a good balance between the female and male kind of powerhouses of the sixties and stuff right so I'm like. There's actually even South Park Christmas. Episode Oh Wow. Called Merry Christmas Charlie Manson. God in which stands uncle breaks out of prison, and brings his cellmate Charles Manson to Christmas dinner. Guns and roses did a cover of Manson songs. They're kind of like on untitled albums, and then in two thousand nineteen. There is a very inappropriate horror movie starring Hilary Duff, and it essentially made a movie based off of how sharing tate died. Oh! Such an insensitive thing and came out last year Oh. That's even worse yeah the anniversary of the deaths Oh. And yet N Deborah. When she. When she was asked about it, she was just I. Don't WanNa talk about that movie. Because it was such a not yet, it was like someone appropriate in your Fairly has nineteen percent rotten tomatoes. Surprising I'm just letting you guys know if you WanNa wash movie, don't. Let's not like some of the candy, but if they wanted to, that is true. Don't. Don't lose. It tells you. And, then one last little tidbit, it was featured in the cult series of American. Horror Story Oh yeah, then there's a whole list more movies books. TV shows just this guy just like. wiggled his way into pop culture even now. which a lot of a lot of people kind of commented on even back then like it just seemed like everything he was doing. He was trying to stay in the public eye. Yeah, everything he did it. Make sense trying to remain somehow relevant in someway. Also semi tangentially related. Sometime later the that was on Manson's forehead. He turned it into a permanent swastika. Why and he said the mark on my head simulates the dead head, black stamp of rejection, anti-church, falling cross double sign, death terror fear. Sure all right. I'm just wanted to make a statement. I, mean literally everything he did. Though yeah, so that's her really long episodes on Charles Manson. Yeah, sorry about that. There was no logical way to split this up. Hopefully, you're still here. You know you saved it for later. Yeah, and you learn something young. We always hope to teach you something yes. If you liked your tour today. Go ahead and leave us a review on wherever you book your tour today. You can visit our website at nope. Ville PODCAST DOT COM. You can contact us and this an email submit your campfire stories to us goes directly to our email. Yeah, which if you don't WanNa do that? You can email us at note. Ville podcasts at Humil- dot, com. Straight the source straight to the source. 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SHARON TATE: Manson Murder Mystery

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SHARON TATE: Manson Murder Mystery

"Our episodes deal with serious and often distressing incidents. I may not be suitable for children. If you struggle with addiction feel depressed or suicidal foods and you need support. Please contact your local crisis center or reach out to a friend to ask for help on the evening of August the eighth nineteen sixty nine actress Sharon tate who was eight and a half months pregnant go to dinner at El Coyote with her three friends Jay sebring. I'll be L. folder and what's check for Kofsky author turning to Tate's home on Cielo drive full cult members of the Charles Manson family would arrive at her estate. Just after midnight <music> concerned the gate might have security alarm Tex Watson would cut the telephone lines before climbing brushing bank meant to enter the estate grounds and the Manson gang would find an open window in the main house and tax cut the screen out and climbed through the window once inside he quietly unlocked locked the front door and let the other two girls then what would happen next to the four unsuspecting friends would be a chaotic scene straight out of a horror movie after telling them up Tex would tell them you are all going to die. The nineteen sixties summer of love would come to an abrupt and bloody end on the morning of August the ninth when Charles Manson's family murdered Sharon Tate and her three friends join awesome a supernatural journey as we explore the glamorous life of Hollywood actress Sharon Tate we investigate the story behind a chilling death explored the mystical facts until the haunting tale of the Manson cult. This is death by misadventure <music> <music> Sharon Tate was born on January twenty fourth nineteen forty-three under the Zodiac sign of Aquarius and Dallas Texas. She was the oldest of three girls and her father colonel. Paul Tait was the United States army officer and her mother a housewife was named Doris. She was an adorable rebel child and at six months old chair and won her first beauty pageant the Miss Tiny tot of Dallas. It was her first taste at stardom but her parents had had no idea she would one day grow up to be a movie star. Dorsey and Paul were very young when Sharon was born and since her father was away from home frequently due to military duty doors his life revolved around little Sharon for a decade until her other two daughters were born at the age of nine and her parents welcomed Deborah in Nineteen fifty two and later Patricia in Nineteen fifty seven though her family described Sharon his shy and noted voted her difficulty creating or maintaining friendships she was a different young lady when she went onstage Sharon went on to be crowned Miss Richland Ashland Nineteen fifty nine and the queen of the tri-city auto realme the same year her father was transferred to northern Italy and Sharon was enrolled in high school goal. She adopted quickly was a model student. She played on the basketball team was a cheerleader served on student council starred as Juliette and the school's Rendition of Romeo and Juliet and she was elected her homecoming and senior Prom Queen. It was during her senior year in high school. That Sharon Sherin received her first acting break while in Italy she and her friends discovered that a movie named Hemingway's adventures of young man was filming on Location Acacia nearby it starred Richard Beamer Paul Newman and Susan Strasberg and the girls one parts as extras on the movie the bid part Hardt also led to a new romance for Sharon while on set she caught the attention of actor Richard Beamer he was smitten and they quickly became a couple and dated throughout the shoot. It was a turning point for the young budding actress and beamer encouraged her to pursue a career in Hollywood. After she finished filming adventure the Young Man Sharon went on to work as an extra in several more films and even went to Hollywood to pursue an acting career her protective mother doors Chris Worried about Sharon on a daily basis she had read Hollywood horror stories about the casting couch and feared her daughter would be taken advantage of <music> soon. Sharing streams would be sidelined when her mother Doris had a nervous breakdown guilt stricken she returned to Italy to take care of her mother other and ease her worries fortunately for Sharon in nineteen sixty two the family would return stateside to San Pedro California when she was nineteen years old when she returned to Los Angeles her boyfriend Richard Beamer introduced her to his agent and the young actress would get another shot at stardom stardom. Her big break came after an audition for petticoat junction she was discovered by film waste producer Martin Rancho Hoff who I said to her baby. We're GONNA make you a star at the age of twenty sharing signed a seven year contract with M._G._M.. and was groomed to be a movie star for three years. She was on a rigorous circuit of acting acting voice singing and bodybuilding classes. I've had no personal lives. Sharon said in an interview in nineteen sixty six before she was cast in her first major role sheeran started locking down small parts in nineteen sixties hits like the beverly hillbillies and Mister Ed however her manager at the time was quite controlling and would often refuse to give her bigger roles in films including big-name projects like the Cincinnati Kid. It was Steve McQueen because he felt she was too shy and couldn't carry the role. During this time Sharon met the French actor Philippe Phuket and Begin Jenner relationship with him in nineteen sixty three they became engaged but the relationship was volatile and they frequently argued career pressures drove them apart art and they broke up the following year nineteen sixty four soon thereafter Sharon met J._C.. Bring a former sailor who is now a leading hair stylist in Hollywood would the to started dating and J fell madly in love with her and eventually proposed marriage Sharon decline because she wanted to focus on career and the two decided to remain close friends after paying her dues for three years in nineteen sixty five Martin finally cash sharing the lead role in the occult Thriller Eye of the Devil Sharon had waited a long time to be cast in her first breakout role and she was excited to have the starring role as a temptress switch she even travelled to London to do research and met with a Wiccan high priest and Priestess Alex and maxine sanders others to prepare for her part later in her autobiography fire child Maxine Sanders would later claim that Sharon was fascinated by quickest rituals and became a follower next Sharon was cast in the role of Jennifer North in the Valley of the dolls. The film based on the book written by Jacqueline Susann takes place in New York City. The story spends twenty years and focuses on the lives of three women. Who've become roommates? I am friends together. They find fame get married and take lovers and turn to drugs to cope with problems the encounter along the way the role was perfect for Sharon tate. The character Jennifer North was based on Marilyn Monroe and Carole. Landis both who died at a young age rich and many believe their beauty and sex appeal turned out to be more of a curse than a blessing tate told look magazine in nineteen sixty seven that that when people look at her all they see is sexy thing. People are very critical on me. It makes me tense even when I lay down I'm tense. I've got an enormous immagination. I imagine kinds of things like that. I'm all washed up. I'm finished. I think sometimes that people don't want me around. I don't like being alone alone. Though when I'm alone my imagination gets all creepy in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven playboy published an article claiming that nineteen sixty sixty seven was the year that Sharon Tate happens although valley of the dolls was released a harsh reviews. It's still managed to do well at the box office and Sharon would be nominated for a golden globe as promising new actress in film however her life would take a deadly turn when she's introduced to dashing young director Roman Polanski aw in most cocktails there's usually one person who plays matchmaker and these complicated love affairs in this case Martin Rancho Hoff was responsible for introducing Sharon tate to her future husband Roman Polanski by coincidence the to happen to live around the corner from each other in London they met over dinner arranged by the film producer who wanted to help share and land a role in his upcoming film the Fearless Vampire killers however the first two dates were difficult to to say the least Polanski even refused to speak to share during the first dinner however after the second meeting you took her back to his apartment for a nightcap to get to know her better having left Sharon alone for several minutes Polanski reappeared wearing a Frankenstein's monster mask frightened she let <music> out a blood curdling scream and that reaction convinced him he should cast her as the lead in his new horror comedy the fearless vampire killers and to become his new lover Sharon an Aquarius was a mystical creature most men founder enchanting exciting and unpredictable. She was a free thinker and her Venus and Aquarius meant she was attracted to men who would stimulated intellectually and most likely she found Polanski's behavior interesting interesting with that said she had a mysterious aura about her and at first people would find her aloof. However men were mesmerized by her beauty but in the eyes of her friends she had a quiet charm about her and they found her to be sweet and kind for the Polish playboy his first impression of Sharon Sharon was that she was just another Hollywood actress with all beauty and no brains Polanski a proud Leo was the polar opposite of Sharon and at first he he wasn't interested but he had a change of heart when they met the second time and they emotionally connected on a deeper level his moon and cancer made the director actor Moody Insensitive and he had to feel a connection? I was Sharon before he decided to consider her for a role in his film. However as a lover he would find a tragic romance that would soon scar his life forever? People magazine would write Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski quickly fell in love and got married on January Twentieth Nineteen Sixty eight in London. The honeymoon was short lived and soon their marriage was riddled with wild rumors ranging from infidelity to forced threesomes Sharon was deeply in love with her husband who was nine years her senior but also extremely intimidated by him him she had a taste for dominant men and it seemed like Polanski fit the bill completely he had power both on the professional and personal front that Sharon was deeply attracted to but it soon introduced her to his kinky sexual tendencies that included drugs or Jeez and even home sex sex videos that he shared with his friends in the book Sharon Tate Alive One of her friends. Joanna said Polanski had a high level of control over rivers wife. He told her address what makeup he liked what he didn't like and he preferred Rumors are true Sharon. An interview was quoted as saying we have a good arrangement Roman lies to me and I pretend to believe him. In February of nineteen sixty nine Polanski's wife would move into a nineteen forty two French country style home located on three acres in Benedict Canyon at one zero zero five zero ceelo drive they rented the home from Rudolf Altobelli a music and film talent manager whose former famous residents of the estate included cary grant and Diane Canon Henry Fonda Paul Revere and the raiders and Samantha Eggar the last couple of lived there before the Polanski's Danske smoothed in we're candice Bergen and her boyfriend music producer Terri Melker the son of actress Doris Day Sharon adored the nineteen forty two hugh home and dubbed it the Love House. She knew that this was the home she wanted to nest in and welcome her baby boy in August however little did she know it would be a choice that would have deadly consequences Sharon tate eight months pregnant would pay one final visit to her family on July twentieth nineteen sixty nine together. They watched the moon landing and discussed the pending arrival of their new family. Member Sharon was excited to be among the night of the moon landing the Virgo Moon was conjuncture and Pluto and set the tone for their final evening together dreams visions or psychic impressions are often extremely vivid and profound during this time period and just a few weeks later showed made a fateful decision that would change the lives of her family forever three souls would escape the unexpected nightmare that awaited the beautiful actress and France on August ninth nineteen sixty nine Sharon who was born with the life path number six vibration represents someone who radiates inner wisdom and his clairvoyant they magnetically attract others to them and are genuinely loved by their friends and family however the six vibration can also be a double edged sword and bring great sorrow with Karmic debts to pay this energy was intensified by the the fact that her husband Roman Polanski also had the life path number six and they lived in a home with a six vibration together it equal to the number six six six six and is referred to as the number of the beast in the Bible a few weeks later on the afternoon of August eighth nineteen sixty nine chance to little sisters Debra and Patty called ask if they could have a sleepover at her home Sharon who was tired politely declined until the girls she had dinner plans with friends but promise they could come visit soon later that evening Sharon's good friend Eva Roosevelt was at her agent home when she received a phone call from the actress inviting her to dinner at El Coyote but she had to decline the offer eva had made plans to meet with German producer for dinner and had booked a commercial shoot at universal reversal studios the following morning. However Sharon insisted her friend swing by your home after dinner around ten thirty pm for a drink and Abba agreed according to friends Sharon was depressed that evening and in a funk her husband Roman Polanski was in London filming the day of the Dolphin so we asked their close pals whoa chick for Caskey and folger's coffee errors Abigail folder to stay at his house with Sharon until he flew back to L._A.? Play on August twelfth. He didn't feel comfortable leaving his pregnant wife alone to escape the baby. Blues Sharon headed to L. Coyote with her the three friends Jay sebring enter to house guests abigail chick after waiting fifteen minutes in the bar the four were seated and annoyingly would share last meal together before leaving the restaurant around nine forty five pm as they headed back to seal yo drive after arriving home around ten thirty thirty P._M.. We'll check fell asleep on the couch. Abigail retired to a room to read a book and Jay and Sharon were in her bedroom talking at eleven and I'm forty five P._M.. Jumped in her car to head over to Sheri- home for a nightcap when suddenly her nineteen fifty five Silver Don's gas gauge began began to flicker eva concerned her Rolls Royce might breakdown. She decided to return home at the time she had no idea her car troubles at just saved Tur- from meaning a gruesome fate Manson who was uneducated needed but highly intelligent had phenomenal ability to gain control over other people and get them to do terrible things he even convinced his followers that he was the second coming Christ and the devil all wrapped up in the same person however revenge is what fueled Manson sick sick mind the most a wannabe Rockstar who had tried unsuccessfully to get a record deal from Melcher and now he wanted a karmic debt to be paid by anyone anyone who currently lived at the home when the group arrived at the entrance to the Property Tex Watson who had been to the House on at least one other occasion and climbed a telephone pole near the entrance gate and cut the phone line to the home the group back their car to the bottom of the hill that led to the estate parked and walked back to the house thinking the gate might be electrified or equipped with an alarm they climbed up brushing embankment to the right of the gate eight and entered the grounds. Linda CA sapien remained behind the wheel as a lookout just then headlights in distance drove towards the three Manson followers techs ordered the women to hide in the bushes and stepped out into the driveway and ordered the approaching car to all eighteen year old students Steven Parent had been visiting the property's caretaker William Garretson who lived in the guesthouse as Tex a twenty two caliber revolver apparent the frightened teen begged for his life claiming that he would not say anything text lunged at parent with a knife giving him a defensive slash wound on the palm of his hand then shot him four times in the chest and abdomen killing him <music> after walking across the front lawn the Manson gang found an open window in the main house and tax cut the screen out and climbed through it once inside inside he quietly unlocked the front door and let Susan and Patricia in tech stormed into the living room startling whoa check who was sleeping sleeping on the couch confused by the unexpected intruder he asked who tex was and what he was doing there and he responded Stadion on the devil. Oh and I'm here to do the devil's business and kicked him in the head. The chaotic scene at the Benedict Canyon Hong was straight out of a horror film. You are all going to die techs told him after tying all of them up with rope and forcing the other guests into the living room Sharon tate and Jay sebring had nooses around their necks and texting the rope over the ceiling beams when j protested the rough treatment of his pregnant friend Tex shot and killed him Abigail in wochit manage to free themselves and flee the house but both were chased down the hill and killed by Texan Patricia on the Front Lawn Sharon frighten sat helplessly as she heard her two friends cries for help as they were attacked by these deranged lunatics begging for her unborn sons life. She offered to be a hostage so the Manson followers could escape instead. She was stabbed to death by Susan Atkins as she cried out for her mother before dying Linda Kosabe Ian who was still in the car heard the horrifying sounds and ran up to the front door in effort to halt massacre. She banged on on the door telling the others someone was coming and they needed to leave texts. Susan and Patricia ran out of the home but stopped and wrote the word pig on the wall and blood as they drove off Zabi and took the weapons wipe them clean and drop them in a ravine. ooh What's even stranger is the fact that the police were never contacted by concern neighbors next door at one zero zero seven zero C._e._o.. MR AND MRS COD had already gone to bed tech dinner guests having left at about midnight when Mrs Kat heard enclosed sequence Equi- what sounded like three or four gunshots they seem to have come from the direction of the gate of one zero zero five zero hearing nothing further. Mrs Kat went to sleep about three quarters of a mile directly down the road from one zero zero five zero Celia Dr Tim Ireland one of five councillors supervising overnight campout for some thirty five children at the Westlake School for Girls. The other counselors had gone to sleep but Ireland had volunteered to stay up through the night at approximately twelve forty. Am He heard from what seemed a long distance away alone alone male voice screaming. Oh God no please don't Oh God no don't don't don't however there was one lone security guard Robert Bullington who was parked in front of two one seven five summit Ridge drive with his window down when he heard what sounded like gunshots space the few seconds apart he contacted Erik Carlsson who's working the desk at patrol headquarters who who called the L. a. p. d. and passed on the report. The officer who took the call remarked. I hope we don't have a murder. We just had a woman screaming call in that area area but hours later the police still had not patrol the area to find out if any crime had been committed in the book helter skelter it said Sharon Tate's housekeeper when a Fred Chapman got off the bus at the intersection of Santa Monica and Canyon drive on the morning of August ninth length late for work she saw a man she had once worked with and he gave her a ride to the gate of Sharon Tate's house when she opened the door. You're just after eight PM. She knew instantly something was wrong. There appeared to be blood on the floor and onto towels in the entryway. She couldn't see the entire living room along couch cut off the area in front of the fireplace but everywhere she could see she saw the red splashes. The front door was slightly lightly open looking out she saw several pools of blood on the flagstone porch and on the lawn she saw a body screaming screaming. She turned ran through the house leaving the same way she had come in and ran down the driveway in doing so she passed on the opposite side of the white rambler seeing for the first time that there was a dead body inside the car to once outside the gate she ran down the hill to the first house one zero zero zero seven zero ringing the bell and pounding on the door when the cops didn't answer she ran to the next house one zero zero nine zero you banging on that door screaming murder death bodies blood <music> <music> Sharon Tate's neighbor fifteen year old Jim a sin was outside and Saturday Saturday morning warming up the family car. He was a member of the law enforcement unit eight hundred of the boy scouts of America and he was waiting for his While waiting for the police Jim and his father walked to the gate of the Polanski's home they noticed several telephone wires were down and they appeared to be cut not returning back to their house. Jim called the police a second time and some minutes later a third. Finally one hour later the police survived to the Benedict Canyon home to investigate a possible homicide when the officers from the robbery homicide division arrived at the scene according to the police report they found Stephen Parents bodies slumped in the driver's seat of his rambler. It appeared that he had been shot in the face left arm and chest the next body found outside the home was that of Whoa check for Caskey and his girlfriend Abigail culture lay dead in the front yard. The police entered the main home and found Sharon Tate's lifeless body inside the living room and J._C.. Bring was found approximately four feet away from her located behind the estate was a small guest house that was not part of the Polanski lease. It was used by the owner when he was in town and a young caretaker named William Garretson lived there also the police report noted that Roman and Sharon Polansky moved into the home on February Fifteenth Nineteen sixty-nine. We found that date quite compelling because of its mystical significance and the date equal to the number six vibration the same life path number is Sharon and Roman and the street address one zero zero five zero ceelo drive the six six six energy continued to to be a dark force behind the gruesome murders. The police appeared to be very interested in the connection between for Calcium Polanski. The report noted the two were close friends and they were both from a small town in Poland and Frankowski father was responsible for financing Polanski's first film since that first film Polanski had become quite successful in the movie industry and had felt deeply indebted to his friend he invited for Caskey and his girlfriend Abigail folder to share his home while he was in London working on a film and asked them to keep an eye on his pregnant wife Sharon not knowing the a deadly nightmare that awaited his friends and family during April May June and the first part of July. The police report stated that Cow Ski Kim folder had many wild parties an open invitation policy existed at the House and drug use was rampant at the time of the initial investigation when they believe the murders might somehow be drug related. What perplexed the police the most is how William Garretson who was home the night of the murders gave vague big answers to questions about his observations of what happened that tragic evening suspicious the police placed him under arrest and transported him to the station nation to be interrogated for murder Garretson at the police station continued to provide vague answers? Cops weren't sure if he was too high hi to remember what happened or he was trying to hide his guilt. At some point he was informed of his rights and told that he was under arrest for murder. The cops continued to ask about his activities. The previous night Garretson said that although he had remained up all night writing letters and listening to records he had neither <music> hurt nor seen anything his highly unlikely alibi his vague answers and his confused identification of the bodies led the arresting arresting officers to conclude that he was lying five murders four them probably occurring less than one hundred feet away and Garretson had heard nothing it was the investigators opinion that he was under the residual effects of some type of narcotic during the entire time he was in custody. It's possible but not probable. They thought that he had no real knowledge of the crime. However due to lack of evidence he was released from custody? Two who days later in the best selling book helter skelter it stated the police summoned Roman Polanski's manager William Tenant to come to the Benedict Canyon home to identify the bodies it was like he was being led through a nightmare as has he was taken first to one body then to the next shaken by what he had just seen he ran outside vomited upon leaving reporters reporters gathered by the gate as tenant pushed through the crowd clutching his stomach and sobbing the reporter's questions. Adam is Sharon dead. Were are they murdered. Has Anyone inform Roman Polanski. He ignored them but they all could read. That death was written on his face L._A._P._D.. We notified Sharon Tate's family see brings parents and Abigail folger's father Peter. Her father was chairman of the Board of Folder Coffee Company who lived in Woodside her mother. I knez villager in San Francisco. However Abigail mother wasn't home that visiting friends and her ex-husband Wchs has been contacted her to deliver the horrible news eerily she had spoken to her daughter the night before at ten pm just a few hours before her death breath Abigail had made plans with her mom to fly to San Francisco the following morning to celebrate her twenty sixth birthday when tenant finally arrived home he had to make one of the most difficult 'cause of his life and tell Polanski that his pregnant wife was not only dead but she had been murdered? Polanski and several associates were going over scene in the script of the day of the Dolphin when the telephone rang Tenet told him there had been a disaster at his at home and Roman confused ask which house he was then told the horrific news that his wife Sharon and his friends whoa check doc abigail and Jay were all dead Polanski screamed and yelled it must be a mistake but tenants sobbing confirmed it was true he had gone to the House himself and had identified the bodies Roman hysterical started pounding the walls then his head with his fists as he repeatedly repeatedly cried out. Did she know how much I loved her. Did she know how much I loved her. The news spread quickly and with it many wild rumors rumors Rudi altobelli owner of the Benedict Canyon home and business manager for a number of showbiz personalities was in Rome one of his clients a young actress called and told him that Sharon and four others had been murdered in his house and that Garretson the caretaker he had hired had confessed to the murder but it wasn't true upon hearing of the tragic death actor Steve McQueen longtime friend of J. C.. Bring suggested that the hairstylists helm home should be rid of narcotics to protect his family and business though McQueen did not himself participate in the house cleaning by the time the L._A._p._d.. Got Around to searching searching see brings residents. Anything embarrassing have been removed. However one person survived that horrific evening in a fortunate twist of fate for Sharon's good friend Eva Roosevelt who would have been the Manson's families sixth victim? If it weren't for her car troubles AH Roman devastated by the loss of his wife and son allowed funeral arrangements to be made by Sharon's family however he did choose a special name for his unborn child Paul Richard Polanski which was was the combination of Sharon's father's first name and Romans father's first name Colonel Paul tait would spend the night before the funeral sitting beside Sharon's casket casket to watch over his daughter one last time he wanted to take one last look at her as she lay peacefully in her favourite Puccini Dress Roman had picked out and his grandson Paul who's tech safely under her arm he then quietly said a prayer before saying his final goodbye to his oldest daughter. The memorial service was on August Thirteenth Nineteen sixty-nine and was attended by Hollywood elite including Peter Seller Kirk Douglas James Coburn and even Warren Beatty who flew in from London to attend the funeral Polanski sat in the front row of the Church along with Sharon's parents and her sisters Patricia and Deborah Sharon Smart retainer composure until the Reverend Pedo O'Reilly said the by Sharon and may the angels welcome you you to Heaven and the Martyr's Guide your way at that point she broke into sobs and Polanski helped her walk out of the chapel afterward Sharon and her baby boy were buried together at Holy Cross cemetery a few days later Roman Polanski gave away all of his possessions unable to bear bear any reminders of his life was Sharon that he called the happiest I ever was in my life. Polanski would later state in an interview that in the months following the murders I he suspected various friends and associates and his paranoia subsided only when the killers were finally arrested <music> who was Charles Manson and what Karmic fate did he share with his murder victims and could any of the senseless killings been prevented. Should we believe Manson who had several planets in Scorpio in his astrology chart had a hypnotic hold over his followers he intuitively we knew how to pick out emotionally broken men and women and manipulate them into doing his evil deeds C._N._N.. Would report during his childhood Manson's smother sold them for a pitcher of beer to a woman who wanted to have children his uncle had to find the woman so he could get his nephew back. He later would take his stepfather stepfather William Manson's last name according to the California Parole Board Manson had a history of manipulation controlling behavior and a mental illnesses which includes schizophrenia and paranoid delusional behavior <music> early nineteen sixty eight Manson would meet Gary Hinman a music teacher who introduced him to Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys Manson had an intense charm and attracted a group of followers and misfits together his family moved to the Spahn ranch. Just outside of Chatsworth California later Dennis Wilson would introduce Manson to record producer Terry Melcher but after initially showing interest in Manson's music Melcher declined to work with him further and it set off an emotional time bomb that would soon go off in July nineteen sixty nine Manson had become more irrational and instructed Bobby Bo Salil accompanied by Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins to kill his friend Gary Hinman because of a dispute over money any property on August tenth nineteen sixty nine one day after Sharon Tate's murders Manson displeased at the sloppiness of the crime scene decided the followers should kill again and they were on the hunt for new victims after several hours. The group arrived at the home of Supermarket Executive Leno N._O.. La Bianca and his wife Rosemary and the couple were brutally murdered in October nineteen sixty-nine officers rated Barker Ranch wjr in a remote area south of Death Valley National Monument Twenty four members of the Manson family were arrested including Charles Manson and Susan Atkins on charges of arson and grand theft at the time they had no idea they were responsible for Sharon Tate's murder Atkins was housed most at dormitory eight thousand in Los Angeles and became friends with another inmate for Jimmy Graham she bragged about the grisly murder Sharon tate and the other victims victims futile cries for help she expressed no remorse over the killings and seemed to enjoy reliving their final moments she even told Graham they had a Sinatra about the same time the L. Sheriff's detectives interviewed Al Springer a member of the Gang Street Satan's biker group that Manson had tried to recruit into the family and he told the police that Manson told him about the killings just days after the murders based on the account of Atkins Jailhouse Confession and interviews conducted with L.. Springer and various Manson family members the L._A._p._D.. Were able to identify the five persons who participated in the actual actual tate labianca murders Susan Atkins Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten Linda Kosabe Ian and Charles Tex Watson send the trial began June Fifteenth Nineteen Seventy the prosecution's nations main witness was Linda Ca Sabin who along with Manson Atkins Krenwinkel had been charged with seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy since Kosabe by all accounts had not participated in the killings she was granted immunity in exchange for testimony the detailed the night of the horrific crimes comes after a seven-month trial the jury would find all the defendants guilty of murder on January twenty fifth nineteen seventy one and they would all receive receive the death penalty however in Nineteen seventy two the death penalty would be abolished in California and the sentences for the Manson family members. There's were commuted to life in prison in the end. It's a story that still baffles. Linda Deutsch journalists would tell L._A.. Times she had covered the Manson Manson case for the Associated Press and said Manson had a streak of pure evil she noted it's as if the curse has not disappeared and it hangs over everyone line who was ever involved with him. After the death of his family Roman Polanski Lansky returned to Europe and eventually continued directing he made Macbeth in nineteen seventy one in England and back in Hollywood Chinatown in nineteen seventy four which was nominated for Eleven Academy Awards however trouble continued to follow him like a ghost and he could not escape the Manson's curse in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven Polanski was arrested and charged with drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl he subsequently pled guilty to the lesser offense of unlawful awful sex with a minor after spending forty two days undergoing psychiatric evaluation in prison and preparation for sentencing Polanski who had it expected to be put on probation fled to Paris after learning that the judge plan to imprison him in Europe Polanski continued to make films including tests in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine starring Dasa Kinski it one Francis Cesar Awards for Best Picture and Best Director and received three Oscars he later produced and directed the pianist a drama about a Jewish Polish musician escaping Nazi persecution. The Film Won Three Academy Awards including best director along with numerous international awards polinsky tried to explain his anguish after the murder of his wife and unborn son in his nineteen eighty-four autobiography Roman by Polanski saying since Sharon's death and despite appearances to the contrary my enjoyment of life has has been incomplete in moments of unbearable personal tragedy. Some people find solace in religion in my case the opposite happen any religious religious faith I had was shattered by Sharon's murder. It reinforced my faith in the absurd in July two thousand five Polanski successfully sued Vanity Fair magazine for libel after it alleged that he tried to seduce the woman on the way to his wife's funeral among the witnesses who testified on his behalf. We're we're Debra Tate and MIA farrow describing Polanski immediately after Sharon's death Phero testified of this I can be sure of his frame frame of mind when we were there of what he talked about of his utter sense of loss of despair and bewilderment and shock and love a love that he he had lost at the conclusion of the case Polinsky read a statement saying in part the memory of my late wife Sharon Tate was at the forefront of my mind signed in bringing this action however Polanski has subsequently been accused of sexual assault by multiple other women and was expelled from from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts in two thousand eighteen the mansion Asian on one zero zero five zero ceelo drive where Sharon tate died was torn down in nineteen ninety four and a new home was built by David Omen five years later. Omens father purchased a nearby plot for forty thousand dollars and together. They built a house on it he would tell L._A.. Weekly in an interview that during construction a worker told omen he heard voices and footsteps coming from the top floor and had a spooky feeling he wasn't alone however on further inspection he saw that nobody was there other coworkers heard footsteps and voices and also felt a cold breeze on the back of their necks. Then in July two thousand four omen woke up from a deep sleep at two A._M.. To find a full body operation at the bottom of his bed pointing towards the the driveway which leads to the Manson murders site the ghost never spoke but gesture towards the driveway three times and then just disappeared fascinated and curious he went to the L._A._p._d.. To See if items from the murder had been left on the ones vacant land that held his house if a bloody a piece of clothing or knife-carrying the victim's DNA had been on this property that might somehow serve as a connection he thought that's when he saw a photo of J. C.. Bring Bring Sharon Tate's close friend and hairdresser also brutally murdered on that horrible night see bring born eery resemblance to the figure he had seen at his bedside guide paranormal activity at the house became something of an obsession for Oman in the last decade he's allowed access to dozens of paranormal normal investigative teams who brought instruments to measure electro-magnetic activity in the air which is thought to be a sign of the spirit world Amman says has the very first person to document the paranormal activities was world renowned parapsychologist buried taff who said in over four thousand cases. He's investigated instigated. This house had the highest consistent I._M._F.. Readings seen he called it the Mount Everest of haunted houses and the Disneyland for the dead <music> <music> however after the actress was brutally killed by the Charles Manson followers Sharon tate became the face of victims rights and her family became her voice a decade after her murder the actress's mother doors Tate in response to the growing cult status of the killers and the possibility of them being granted parole organized a public campaign that resulted in amendments to the California Criminal Law Law. She helped get the victim rights bill which allowed for victim impact statements passed in California in Nineteen eighty-two all fifty states now allow victims victims to speak either written or orally at certain phases of the legal process according to the National Center for victims of Crime Tate's mother went on to say that the law would help transform Sharon's legacy from murder victim to assemble of victims rights in one thousand nine hundred ninety two doors was one of several volunteer workers recognized by President George H W Bush the ceremony during which doors and her family were honored by the president for their work in in promoting victims rights marked her final public appearance she died later that year at the age of sixty eight on June third two thousand sadly sadly Patricia Tate would lose her battle with breast cancer and was buried next to her sister Sharon and her mother in two thousand five Paul Tait died of congestive justice heart failure at the age of eighty two to this day debra tate continues to appear at the parole hearings of the Manson cult members on behalf of her family in two thousand fourteen she released the book Sharon Tate Recollection to celebrate the memory of her sister in two thousand seventeen she was was diagnosed with breast cancer and lives with her family in southern California. The murders committed by the Manson family have been described by social commentators commentators as one of the defining moments of the nineteen sixties Joan diddy and wrote many people I know in Los Angeles believe that the sixties ended abruptly on on August ninth nineteen sixty nine at the exact moment when word of the murders traveled like brushfire through the community and in a sense this is true attention attention broke that day the paranoia was fulfilled <music> just before her death Sharon tate would stay in an interview. I think something more powerful than we are decides our fate it for us on my whole life has been decided by fate even her husband Roman Polanski had a sense of foreboding the last time he saw his pregnant wife in July

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Side Stories: Hot Tub Conspiracy

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Side Stories: Hot Tub Conspiracy

"Hey, what's up everyone? The boys of last podcast on the left here. You're you want to tell you about our new specialty filmed it in Chicago. It was an unbelievable experience and you can enjoy it as well. Go to WWW dot last podcast live dot com. Don't forget to put the WWW. W we're going in the way, we backed machine all the way to two thousand one technological glitch that we're trying to get tech support for just better the WWW WWW. No place to escape tunes used the loss. Todd cast on the left side stories. Cannibalism started. Man, twenty nineteen off to new year, my friend. Oh, yeah. Buddy. Dick, Clark style. I am feeling it, man. Dick clark. What a handsome Frankenstein. He was leave. He finally died. How many people did it take to kill him? No, no age killed Mr Clark. And the sad thing is if you go back and watch his final countdown. It really is final countdown because he can't count down from ten anymore. He stumbles around seven jumps to four goes back to eight. It's got a confusing, but they still clap for him, which I think was really nice when they have imprompt up by two of those one of those horses that they do like what you'd have where you'd put up the blockade for parades short like Horsely cops. I if this things that it's him on either side, and we're going. All right. You'll got it dick. He's a legend. Welcome to last podcast on the left side stories. We're going to hype stories we have a fun episode. I think or not I don't know. We're going to do when it comes down to like kid. Does it always have to be fucking fun? I don't know me. And it just be real be raw. Yeah. You want to get you wanna get real world with it. When we we're gonna stop being polite and start getting real, absolutely. I want us to be put in a hot tub together enforced by producer to drink until we wake up in a bed next to each other. I have been getting very deep into the move on field manual. Okay. That's good. That's good. And a part of it is technically there is a I'm supposed to not disclose. What's inside this manual? Okay. But just disclose it because I'm sure you can Google it and find it and see all the details. It's actually hard to find for NOP behind a paywall. They did a good job with that. Because. A lot of it's you have to make a lot of promises very up top. There's a lot of forms that you have to look at that says like, but they do treat you within the move on world. It's not even a bid where it's like they believed that the lanyard should be able to get you on a crime scenes. And are you showing whole fun or you joined in a Colt right now? Because if you're going to join one just bite the bullet and do Scientology it'll help rear its pilot season. Go out there. You could be the wacky neighbors. Man. I wish man I wish I had that kind of fucking scratch dude, that's big that's big time scratch, but the with Mathon one of the chapters, and I'll break they'll break the code it straight up says it's got like a breakdown manual of how you as a VIP field investigator should go about removing alien implants from the bodies of people. Okay. Well, let's just it. It doesn't seem safe. This seems in the realm of someone who is sort of a, you know, a not doctor, but I can give you a silicone but implant like doesn't seem day. Henry. It's very casual it's definitely putting more on the emphasis of a doctor as someone who's like a puppeteer of the. Human meat form, someone that is who job is essentially, I'm a butcher. But I I think that things in the manual to be taken with a grain of salt. But a lot of the math, and there is very thick. And once I really wrap my head around it. I'm certain I'll be smarter. Oh, right. Well, you'll definitely have more information in an strangely. It might make you dumber. Because that's also possible which is quite possible. Yeah. All right. I am Ben. That's n Travis start. You might hear him talk as well. Quick updates. Evidently on the show that we did before the new year we predicted no celebrity deaths immediately two of our childhood icons two of our favorites. Super Dave Osborne dies and then the greatest broadcaster in wrestling history, meaning Oakland all sides. So we didn't we didn't get that. Right. But then again, like, you know, everyone's a celebrity these days. Everybody's everybody gets their fifteen minutes because soldier but heavens a little bit funner today, isn't but super. Dave Vulcan whole areas. Bob, Einstein Einstein I think it's Brown's Einstein. Okay. Because he and he's out of Brooks's rather. They he is a funny motherfucker his his normal Donald appearance on live, and and every single appearance of super Dave on the Gilbert Godfried podcast. Yes. Fucking gold. The one issue. I do have to take with the obituaries when it comes to mister Einstein is they say curb Yoon curb your enthusiasm, actor, you know, has Einstein has died. It's super Dave Osborne. That's who died not crashing through is. Yes. Actor who cares? This is the part of the this is the part of the show where we become more isolated from her audience L about it's super date. That's how did seventy seven small support your comedy. This trip as long as we don't start yelling about seventeen seventy six. We'll command again, I think we're still going to be okay. Alright. Also, weird back from our listeners when it comes to bullets in a fire of apparently, they do go off, and I guess not quite as dangerous than if it's in a gun. But well, I got a good God a good breakdown from a listener again. I don't know if he does not say explicitly, I could say his name. Okay. Don't you? I won't say it. So I won't necessarily necessarily say it, but he was so this is from him. I was in the army for eight years when I was in Afghanistan in one of our vehicles was hit by enemy rounds and caught fire and the ensuing. Fire in Gulf the entire vehicle after the fire. Burn out. My unit was directed to bring the vehicle back to our base later. We had to go inside the vehicle to make sure that the radios and other sensitive equipment was removed. This took place his days after it cooled down the steel actually retain heat longer than any of us expect. It it and we couldn't enter for over a day and the section of the vehicle that we store extra ammunition all of the initial exploded or cooked off as we call it. I was surprised to see that the projectiles. The bullet portion of the munition was still laying on the shelves. But that the brass's cases were gone after after a big search, we found that the brass cases were scattered throughout the inside of the vehicle mostly on the full mostly on the floor, peeled out and deformed from exploding and move as popular culture. It's assumed that the bullet is part of the flies. But it turns out when they're round of ammunition is loose. I e not in the barrel of a gun. The bullet self doesn't move very far, but the very much lighter. Brass casing is the part that explodes. So basically explodes Italy's a of bullets. That's cool. We're all learning little shrapnel. I guess still dangerous not as dangerous, of course, if it was in going down to barrel of a gun. But there we go. We're learning together. That's why we do ju tain -ment. We're edgy -tainer, speaking, speaking of edgy. Moment. I want to thank everyone who has gone out and bought our special. You can find it at WWW now that stands for the World Wide Web. Do you remember this when it was surfing the web is our feminine net. I surf the net, man. I get wet every night. I I don't want to know any more details on that disgust. Instead. It's so search WWW last podcast live dot com. Check out the special it's six dollars and sixty six cents. Thanks so much for your great responses, thus far and DMS on Instagram, and we'll make sure to put your if I find it. We we get a lot. So I'm sure some have phone through the cracks. But I would like to put those into my story and and give a little shout out. So thank you all so much, and that special is going to be there all year long. So and we'll have another one for you at the end of this year and is not a bit. You got to put the W W it's thousand six and what? And if you do put the WWW near you, put your put your snail mail address on there. Cd ROM of AOL. So that you can then upload it to the proper areas the bulletin boards. My gun AOL. I just got my encyclopedia Britannica this is sue eat. I'm gonna learn so much from these books. Don't you fuck and talk shit about that? That's how I learned what masturbation was and that's how I learned how to shave wait. You wit second. You went to the dictionary to figure out what masturbation is you. Couldn't figure this out on your own. When I was a boy right now is learning. I knew something had to be done with my dick, right? We're going to get true crime story here at a second. But okay. So yeah. At six years old when penis was really attack is like really getting a lot of my mental attention getting hard. And I didn't understand it. And I never to what I never was one of those boys that thought like their penis was broken. I was like this is hard and it's hard for a purpose. And I know that for a fact because when I rub it at the edge of the tub, I feel good, right? And so it I. I'd do is. I'd form a cloud of bubbles in the bath thing. And then that's what how I could. Do. I stick my dick and not was happening. And then like, so perverted bird flying through the clouds. Yes. Thinking that you could come from the clouds like birds. That's clouds birds. Fuck oh, the clouds until they get hard. And then they fuck each other. I don't know if that's true. No. I don't think it is. But all right and jewtown -ment, but I got out the heard the term masturbation from somewhere, I think it was me some sex Ed class in elementary school or something. And then I looked it up in a I looked it up an encyclopedia, and it said manual are seen. Remember, it was like manual administration of a of your sexual parts. And I get I didn't truly understand. What was until I started trying surfaces. Now, it's like seven or eight years old. I'm trying serve this as Robin various services and oh closed a loop. You you gotta do up top and on. Underneath it. You're the boy from happiness that disgusting movie. Yes. Yes. He's also been a rap ever since. I don't know what they teach you in your queens school. If you're six years old, and they're giving you sex, Ed training. I'm going to say that's a little young when I was growing up in Wisconsin. They didn't even let us know they they just said that thing was another toe, and they know that it could do anything until I was at least twenty eight I had one of the best teachers in the world about masturbation a guy by the name of pedestrian jumping. He used to come on the house, and I got to meet all of them him L Roker, David Dinkins whole crew, man. All right, boys club, they call themselves. They don't know how you brought David and L Roker. All right. Well, we have a couple of updates. These are shows. These are subjects that we covered in our show the first one interestingly enough, speaking of New Year's it happened. I believe on during a New Year's parade involving Shinrikyo. Well, we're going to say it's a little bit on the limb of that, it's involving Shing. Okay. Oh, but it is interesting nine heard. It's a car Rams into New Year's crowd on famed Tokyo street at least nine people have been injured one seriously when a driver deliberately plowed his car into a crowd, celebrating New Year's Eve along a famous street and Japan's capital. The sheet was the the fashion district of Tokyo, the HARA Juku and ten minutes past midnight. And the driver identified as Kazuhiro Kusakabe was arrested on the scene on suspicion of arrested murder, and according to the national broadcaster NHK he told police he was acting in retribution for the death penalty giving no precise details. Now, what we know for a fact is that the Japanese government. Murdered murdered executed fifteen people last year and thirteen of those were the members of Enrico now a bit he did this as a sort of revenge movement in the name of Shimrikyo, but he would not purposely name it to the piano. That's interesting now because they finally killed Shoko Asahara as we joke about it in our special. You can hear it in. You could hear it. They hung him which gave him one last chance a chance to levitated which he'd could not do down is it possible? Now with the hanging that he has become more of a deity that thou option Rikio is going to have a resurgence. There's going to be you know, because now it's sort of everything old is new again. Maybe I would like you to think that I think that especially this young man would like you to think that, but I don't know if it has much of a reach. I know that they still have cells that are alive. I know that they're trying to keep his. Memory alive. I think this technically does help towards making him immortal making him a martyr. But they the Japanese government seemed pretty into the idea of really compressing that you don't want that to be. They don't want him to be a super mortar. Which is why they kill them so fast without any sort of pageantry shirt. You know, I'm a little sick this. You don't want him a little sick of this. I'm going to be like that dude from sixty minutes. What was that Mickey Rooney? No Haley ruin. Maybe Mickey Rooney what an incredible Asian actor of the nine thousand nine hundred. Problematic. Roles in hindsight. Title. I am sick of these people driving their cars into crowds. That's what I'm gonna say it here. I know it's a blowout dance. That's really brain. I know it happened in Charlottesville. There was another dude here in Times Square drive in his car into a crowd killed somebody for Michigan. You get out of your car. You gotta go fisticuffs getting getting someone's face. I mean, it's just the weakest possible way to create havoc and possibly kill someone. I don't like it. The do it. I believe car violence should only be done against cars. I agree that if if you're going to have tack other people or other objects with your car needs to be other cars, I am one of those believed that warfare should in many ways should be even unless they are enemies than need to be stamped out in the night because certain people do need to be wiped out in the night. And I have a list of them. I share. I know I wrote it down and my diary, and I keep it there. It's a little list. And it's it's it's long it's getting longer. But when it comes to your cars, I think that it should be Carver says car, my new car a new car and this things can be built to attack others on the road yet. But I'm not going to run through crowds because crowds are trying to have a good time. I like crowd around their feet. They don't get the wheels. It's not right with crafts. Absolutely. Also, there's a new movie coming out called Bumblebee and that fun. Alright. That's a car. Okay. Good, man. Good. Not going to see it. As a matter of fact, twitchell Mark twitchell, the dude we're covering this week and last week last podcast on the left proper. He was a big fan of Bumblebee. And I think it's really bringing down the street credit of that transformer twitchell might be the biggest debate we've ever covered as we talk about on the show. And it's just the things that he liked are now, downgraded in my mind by at least ten tomatoes to go on the tomatoes. Who does the voice for Bumblebee? Oh, I have no idea is will Wilfredo will. It's so as he is this the original guy. I love old of voice of voice, actor guys 'cause they look fucking hilarious. Oh, yeah. In the wild where we're at. That's well, we'll freydl was the voice of Bumblebee, I guess in the new cartoons. And we'll freydl also the older brother in boy meets world love boy, Ming Orel to tell you. What though time is not being friendly to him. That's okay. Time won't be friendly to any of us. Doing time. We have a story here. This is an update on Charles Manson's followers. I mean, how many more followers do we have here of the Manson clan. The two gals are still alive. And this dude Robert boasts boast delay Bosa lie Bosa lay selen-selena Soleil, Robert Busa light. Now, this duty seventy one years old. He's been incarcerated for around fifty years. He killed this musician. The dude's name was Gary hinman, and he tortured them for several days. Anyway, he is up for parole in your home state of California, or at least or current resident state of California. They rejected him previously eighteen times. But it looks like he may be getting out this time. As there's only one more hearing that he has to go through. And if they say, you're free to go, we got one of Manson's followers back on the streets. I tell you what they do though in California is that they don't really do death penalty here. But what they do is they feed you what enough carbs that you get slightly bloated. And then it's like you're invisible. Yeah. Don't exist. You're done air done. I do think are you one of those. Do you believe that he is already at he served enough time? Do you think that his his crimes should be forgiven? Well, you know, the thing is about this. You know, me I believe in redemption stories fifty years is a long time. Of course, you loved three to crease. I did and creed the band because aren't they they're all about redemption that did Scott stapp lost his mind many many years ago, and I think you probably naked in the street screaming about something right now. Progressive. We got Debra Tate. Now, she is the sister of Sharon. She is going. She goes to all of the parole hearings. She's she's has a quote here. She says he is still very dangerous. She goes on to say, Gary hinman was was his friend music teacher his peer she continues. He viciously killed him. This is not a nice guy. No save to say. Yeah. And of course, Tate's you operates a site advocating for the continued incarceration of Manson's followers. But now we have a situation where the due to seventy one years old you look at Gary hinman. I mean, the guy is maybe one hundred pounds soaking wet, obviously, a brutal murder dudes been there for fifty years in prison. The guy who killed him Robert boosts lay Busa lay. I'm going to say that that's a doozy. Because obviously, you know, it's going to negatively affect the family even more of these people. But is he still the question is is this dude a threat to society? Well, seven years old. I would say probably not the problem is that when you're part of like for me, the problem is when you're part of like a symbolic crime that sort of defined era. Right. That's what's hard is that releasing him in many ways seems to forgive the entire Manson family for what happened and draws Manson. And what they did was both. It wasn't just a funeral for those people which is true. They also killed any idea of the hippie movement. They destroyed the D wonder and magic of sixties issued in the dark nineteen seventies. What they what their chapter in America is like, unfortunately, it's suppose. To be there till like learn this concept of oh, if you want a peaceful utopian just know there's going to be a bunch of fucking worms or to try to flip that for their own year, two genders, and that's the problems that we let him go. Then it's like, we are forgiving Charles me. Well, interestingly enough, so the dude was sent in this. I'm I'm gonna call him boozy. He was Santa boasting Busey Hughes sentence in one thousand nine hundred seventy to death that was later overturned in seventy three but another member of the Manson family, Leslie, Van Houten, Leslie Van Houten. She was recommended for parole in September in could be freed as early as later this month. So we could have to Manson followers on the street. I mean, if Leslie Van Houten is out now, she actually was there for the gutting of Sharon Tate, and the murder of her child and share, and she was, you know, do we have a double standard? I think if you let Leslie out you got to let you gotta let Busey out the Manson family. Once they're all dead. Because now that Manson is dead. It seems like the pressure is coming off on all of their parole hearings. Yeah. I think now that he's gone day. That's like that was the phantom that they had built up in the first place. He was the head of the snake. So it's all I think that there was almost like a weird little fear that parole boards even had up to this point. Oh, totally Charles Manson could still activate these sleeper cells at Enright all these seventy year old sleeper cells to basically just take time at the gilson's. I is that what they wanted. I mean, they're of the age where literally they'll just go to sleep. But that's okay. I mean, so I don't know that. But that's a let us know what you think about that should Busey. Should he be getting out should Leslie Van Houten getting out beginning out, or is that suit much of a burden on the family specifically when it comes to Debra Tate and her organization because I understand their anger that is for certain. But the question did they serve there? Time. And should they have the should they have the the gift of dying in a comfortable bed somewhere because you know, people are going to do a go fund me like when Leslie Van Houten gets out. There's going to be some people out there who are like come stand. Our house like come live with us for a while. Same thing with Bowe say there's chance they David was speaking tour, they literally could make hundreds of thousands of dollars doing a collegiate will maybe not a college speaking her. But maybe on a college that it's quite possible. But also these people are not built for the outside world more. They are completely. What's the term? Well, they've they have become broken by the by the prison system. They're fully institutional fully now list, they're fully institutionalized. Or now in good. They are there. They have no clue what it's like to make it on the outside. You're seven years old you get three hots ikat for fucking forty fifty years. Right. So now, you're going to get you're going to come out there. What does the seventy five year old you're going to like what are you gonna do? You're gonna come soundcloud rapper you. I mean, I don't know if they can deal with getting a face tattoo with this point. But you know, again, I tell you what could go on. They would definitely go on podcasts would be. Dan. I will it'll cost me it'll cost you five hundred dollars. If you want my, you know, whatever because their stories haven't been fully told by from their own perspective yet, you know. So it's true. Who I believe that that's true? And they'll probably have a book deal and shit like that. Because they can't that's the only way they would probably be able to make it on the outside world in terms of making any sort of money. I imagined that they would get out of jail in two days later. They would literally just died. It's possible. It's possible. It's hard out there. All right. Well, let's tell y'all story. Let's go to Utah. This dude. This is about conspiracy theories. And this is about arguments, and I just want to say this up top never get into a fight over conspiracy theories. No UTA man bites off chunk of another man's ear after arguing over conspiracies a conversation about conspiracy theories escalated to to a physical altercation where a man allegedly bit off a chunk of another dude's ear at the north Salt Lake home at a north. Salt Lake home. This was on New Year's day. This New Year's Eve and New Year's day was pretty eventful. The a lot of people had some moves going through their systems court court records indicate the ordeal began in a family party where several adults were in a hot tub. Ooh that family. Oh, yeah. Brian. Which conspiracy theories they were fighting over. Yes, I really did to that right here at a second. Brian David boy, accused forty three years old got a can't stop thinking to those old people. What was it About Schmidt About Schmidt debates? Oh, yeah. She's a she's a wonderful person. My God what a hot tub scene. Brian, david. Boy, he's a forty three year old dude he became upset. We'll talk about quote, big banking and essentially conspiracy theories, according to a probable cause statement apparently one of the adults in the hot tub works for a Bank and became the target of a heated conversation with Boyack boy began packing up his things to leave as the other members of the group retreated to the house. This is according the victim stated that he had locked boy outside because he was quote acting crazy. He stated that he was also worried that Boyack would try to drive after he had been drinking also stated that boy picked up picked up a patio furniture chair. And began hitting the front of the house windows with it a detective wrote. So the male victim opened up the front door to tell boy to stop hitting the housed with a chair. Lone fight a whole chunk of his ear off will that's when boy physically attacked him man pinned him to the ground. And evidently, this is where the state the the victim says he started he stated he was trying to push boy off of him. Then he bit his left ear, very hard. He stated that boy a bit of a large part of his ear, and according to the detective. Who was able to view the ear it left a huge chunk of missing flesh. So the him, and he got very serious about the big banking and conspiracy theory and this guy, but the sad thing is this guy probably worked as a mid level dude at a chase. And he just really got fended that this guy was making fun of his industry. I don't know if it's that. It sounds like it's the opposite. It sounds like a man was truly onto something. And he was into he was in a group, and you were in the hot tub, and unfortunately, though, as as I'm going to say this from personal experience, you can feel in a room, you could feel the vibe of a group when you have taken a conversation past the point where it's hot tub conversation. Yeah. Uncomfortable or fun where you alienate everybody, and they're just again in a hot tub on New Year's day. Maybe sipping a little bit of wine trying to have family tiny is that you should be slickened the wheel. Heels to get a swap going right at this point. Now what the conversation should be doing. You got a bunch of consenting adults in hot tub, everybody's feed or touching. Oh, yeah. You could maybe see Deborah in a bikini for the first time. Maybe she's been working out since she's had decayed, right? She's looking good. This really is a time to be like, let's say in sensual things stuff like R Kelly was wrong and everybody agrees. Right. Course could do good big topics right fun and make you look like a normal person. But I also truly understand though Kissel. What's that he was a roar scores stirs on earth? He was on a roll and scorched earth policy is sometimes SRI important as the really the only way to sometimes show. How serious you are. And how serious the topic should be taken. Sometimes, unfortunately, you gotta turn it up to thirteen. Well, I know of twenty years, you don't have to seem like it, doesn't it seems like the conversation was more just mildly annoying. And then it. Really spun out of control when he took the lawn furniture and started hitting a house because they weren't taking him seriously. No respect they were. They were they were in the middle of plan human soup. They were in a hot up, which by the way. I think is the most disgusting part of this whole story hot tubs your cesspool for germs and disease. You know, not with other people in them that you're ridiculous. It's a sign of wealth. That's a sign of comfort. It's incredible. It is literally like being in a hot toilet with a group of elderly people take in gotta take care of that. No, you gotta take care of it. It needs to be outdoors to needs to be nice deck. No or hot tubs. No, no. That's disgusting. That's disgusting. Because then the wallpaper starts peeling off the walls from say always have a fantasy by getting a hot tub in the middle of our living room like in the apartment and just seeing all the all the pictures wilt out of their frames comes out moist. It is inside the apartment you sell. It sounds good idea. Kramer from Seinfeld would come up with that. He did actually keep did. I think he did. But it's important sometimes for people to see what lines you willing to cross now. Seriously, you really gonna take yourself that line in the sand needs to be a little deeper because Kissel was ruined hot tub night. Which again, God knows what was going to happen. There could have been three affairs started that night. And he is in the book. I am not saying he is correct. I'm not saying that he is correct in ruining the vibe. I am saying though, unfortunately, and I am I am personally twenty nineteen. I'm trying to aggressively be more positive. Okay. I'm trying to take my take my positively more. Seriously, tried any more positive in general. Okay. But I do understand that sometimes I'm walking scenario, and all these people these strangers are just meant they don't know that I have been waging a war inside of my own brain day until I arrived and you'll time. But unfortunately, in my mind, I'm in laugh ghanistan ready to lay down the law. I don't care if some civilians get franked will it doesn't seem like they were they were fairly. I think they were all like, friends and family know, it was bad moment for him. Yes. Should not have done this then, but I do understand once it lights yellow, and it's going read there's not a lot you can do. And if you're already going seventy five right, and they'll and the yellow stirred into read. This is my thirty five year old father visited my metaphor. Right. Sometimes you gotta bust that light. And you don't know who is the thing on other side of that light. Well, the cop. 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It turns out there's a lot of things that happened in house. Okay. This next story. Now, we are this is very serious number one. This story is a serious story. So we will not we will never make fun of the victims. We never do. Now. There is a dude he is a democratic super donor. His name is Ed buck. Now evidently last year. He he he has a thing. Henry can get the more details here as well. But he has a fetish I guess of picking up young African American men drugging them and then having sex with their bodies, extremely vile extremely illegal and horrible last year a individual overdosed. They said it was accidental. So the police were like, okay, Mr. buck. It's all good. Don't let it happen again. Well, we'll guess what it happened again. So twice in two years. A young African American man overdosed on heroin in bucks house, and he has still not been charged with any kind of crime whatsoever. Now, according to add buck, his what he just loves people, and he low helping people. So when he said is that when you is that what he says about how this why this is fine because he wants to people. Yes. And about the two thousand seventeen. Visit in two thousand sixteen he met the young man. His name was I believe Jamal. I believe it is pronounced Jamal more. He felt that he needed to take care of this young man, he brought him into his home. And then it seems to be then accidentally died of a meth overdose inside of his apartment evenly found all the paraphernalia Gordon at buck. Would he said was that? Well, I invited this man in my home to rehabilitate him and help him, but his habits followed him inside. But what he did not know Moore wrote a diary the whole time. And he said, quote, I've become addicted to drugs and the worst one at that. Ed buck is the one to think he gave me my first injection of crystal meth, according to Lieutenant Derek all for it. He says this regarding how this could happen twice. He says it is suspicious that is suspicious that this has happened twice now. So we're conducting Yarrow investigation to determine if it's criminal in nature. I am not a detective, but I would say. Sniffer out. Just do some do. A little sniffing around put you'll detective knows on sniff sniff around because if he is supplying these kids or young men with drugs, and they just all happened to be dying not to mention the drugging and having sex with their bodies, which is a crime, which we don't own this, Sarah Lee, if that is fed is finished, but it's it has been pointed towards it. That is yes his fetish. And then he likes to and check them in the I don't know what he does with them. What I want them. Just look at too because they said paraphernalia was found in the house. And he's like, well, he brought his habit into my home. And if there's like a single like for some reason, I imagine Ed buck has like a meth pipe Cousy. Like, he's the guy who has a sort of like the various paraphernalia where it's not even just paraphernalia. It's got like holders fort like the nice stuff. If that is happening verse seeing a meth pipe on a little pillow. That is not that person. Fault. That is Ed books fault rush. He has all of the accessories to go with his drug Abbas. So now, there are people who are protesting outside of Ed bucks home. One of those people is jasmine Caddick, a political activist in South Carolina said that the latest man die in his apartment fit the profile of people who have contacted her with concerns about Mr. buck. She accused Mr. buck of picking up black men outside bars, contacting them, undated, apps and pain for those outside to fly to the state of California is what she said she said he never stops. Most recently a young man he flew in from Minnesota. And sent me his plane ticket showing me the Ed buck had flew him in and that he had been part that he had partied and played with Ed. Buck later later Miscavige added there will probably be some other young men who heads upstairs who has no idea of what happened today. So he seems to be this is the question we had before the show is this, man. A accidental serial killer, or is this really nefarious to the point where he drugs them so much that he knows they're going to die of an overdose. He seems a little Dahmer esque to me, I think that you could say that I think that if you're if you're main fantasies to make a person completely immobile. So that you could do whatever it is that you want with their body there. You're only a couple of steps away from killing them. I think that if that is just your I know that there are people that have the normal could kink of like watching people sleep. But again, if it's actors and actresses and people were like right in a contract, and they have to file a W nine for you to have sex with them while they sleep been great. But when it's nonconsensual you're looking at some of these these fantasies are only going to escalate there only gonna turn into something darker. I think that the sort of the most unfortunate part of this is which is also seems. To be very normal. As all the pictures of Ed buck with Hillary Clinton, and all of these famous Democrats is hanging out folk and eating pizza rolls together, Kate nationally, Olsen commercial will that is true. Mr. Bucky is given quite a bit. Well, he's giving one hundred sixteen thousand bucks overtime to the Democratic Party get fifteen hundred bucks to Barack Obama and almost three grand to Hillary Clinton. Those numbers aren't that high? But there's a lot of rules and regulations. So you can't go crazy. You can give a lot to super PACS, but you can't give a lot to the campaigns themselves. So Mr. buck is also a prominent in the LGBT political circles and ran unsuccessfully for the West Hollywood city council about a decade ago. The I think the reason why we find these type of people in the positions that we find them. So we look at I mean. They say this is fucked. We say like normal, quote, unquote. Pedophilia. They would they do is they purposefully. It is no coincidence that they are quite a few pedophile priests and pedophile scores. And because what you do is you specifically look for positions in which people will automatically give you respect an authority. So that people trust you and also have a hard time going against your word. What we now see is quite often pedophile are deeply embedded in our government because they actually get an extra added benefit of. If I go down a bunch of people go down with me. So now you're forced to protect me. Because I because you've you don't you got a bunch of pictures of Meena room with you and your fucking time bomb in the center of their campaign, though. But of course, Ed buck, not a pedophile because these people were they were older and teat nuts. Not maligned the teachers they're not as the teachers are good Parise. That's not a story be wiped out not wearing the fucking costume, right? All right Hewlett prison. You talked to fuck Jesus Christ. But if you look at people, but then we see kind of where this goes out like I use pedophile in terms of like, the idea of someone that vary dork sexual predilections seem to gravitate towards these jobs. Will this seems to me also it just reminds me of the great Jordan Peele film? Get out this seems to me like a white liberal leg. And we're not getting in the weeds of politics here. But it just seems like he justifies it all because he thinks that his politics outweigh the horrible things. He does to people within his real life. But he'll what else I do. What else I do for society? You look at all these people that then it speaks to your idea that he is a potential budding serial killer, you look at BT K at the same exact mentality right viewed. Oh, but I'm a good father. Oh, but I actually I'm good at my job. I give to the church, I do all this shit. So that evens at. Out because they view life as a series of transactions instead of a flu, which which is how psychopath we'll look I mean, even when it comes to Mark twitchell again, the dude we're covering these next couple of weeks if you do the Google search on them, it's just Canadian filmmaker. Yeah. He's like, no, you're Canadian filmmaker is first of all not true of it was horrible and second of all it's the murder. That's what he is. You know, he's murder, he's immunity. So this is according to this is according to that group who was protesting against Mr. Butler said the reports we have heard provide more questions than answered. And again, the fact that two black men have died, and Mr. bucks home in less than two years is extremely alarming. So yeah. The wills really alarming. I would put it as extremely alarming. I think so it's too. You know what I mean? Because dead it just gets to point like, you, can you really not charge him for anything. I guess you can have. It's just them. If it looks like they did it to selves. I mean, if you get someone I don't know I want to hear from the lawyers out there Email us side stories LP OT L at gmaiLcom if you did someone hooked on drugs. And then that person ends up Odeen. I think it's still that person. It's the responsibility of the individual that died. I that's what I would assume assume that this articles headlines starts with the word. Another black man has died. You can almost you can almost hear the editor sighing as they're typing those words Lord anyway. But I do believe in people's free. Will I don't believe you can really make anybody do anything. I think people are going to do with they're going to do. Anyway, I think it does doesn't help. If you're like, you know. Xia right now if you were high and crystal math, and he's like, yeah. Yeah. But then again in this situation. This guy's got a lot of powers, multimillionaire, you're going to imagine. Maybe you don't come from the greatest economic background. It's it can be overwhelming. And then you don't want to you know, you want to enjoy it. And it could be a wonderful experience. They no problem with with getting having sex with whatever the hell you want to have sex with everything. So they don't know that they're going in to meet with someone who has an affair ES ideas of how to get off sexually. No. And then if you already someone addictive personality that's just that is a death trap for right? And of course, he already are having substance abuse problems. Like that's got to be like you are with this person of authority. They're huge part of your community. There are part of the community there. Do you believe there to protect you you finally in a safe place? And then all of a sudden you're supposed. To be partying with this, dude. Like, it's normal. But you're like why are you doing any crystal meth, and he's like, I'm more of a meth center. I mean, it's it's horrible. And why Jews young African American men because the African American community he knows that. It's not quite as invoked to be openly gay the download community. It's getting much better. But you know, he it seems to me like he is praying on a group of people that he knows for a fact aren't going to go out and rat him out right away. I'm sure everyone that went there has like some weird experience, which is not again that you know, that'll happen. Doing a bunch of drugs with someone would also say in the democratic party's best interest. Maybe get like a Democratic Party consultant like a John Podesta to tell them the tone it down a bit tone it down tone it down bell. Anyway, of course, John Podesta just loves the ANSI art, he loves art. And you know, that's a whole nother. We've talked about that with Jeffrey. Epstein she'll like that for many pedophile. Pedophilia. Some Bryan singer than just went ahead and just fucking won a Golden Globe for this all of that bohemian rhapsody Globes. Just because they cooking made the that little man with the big teeth. Do an exact impression of Freddie, Mercury did not actually perform in that movie. He just literally copied every single movement. The Freddie Mercury did. And I actually did that that's a very big artistic debate about whether or not is that an original acting performance. If you're literally just pu-putting right stacked motions to somebody else does. Well, if you're. In a party in your politician or just a normal person or an actor just ask if you see a bunch of young people around where the come from. Where is coming here? Yes. I are there fucking kids here in the same ship. It's like watching watching your Kelly series, the surviving R Kelly series right same shit, which being like why is there a thirteen year old girl in this room? If I when I walk into a room, and I'm like expecting fucking smoke bunch of weed and hanging out with my friends and hope that this couple of choice, there do all kinds of stuff. And I look and I see a child I'm like get this full kit kit outta here. I don't want him looking at me. No, absolutely not. I mean, that's when you take the joint, and you say look at this see what I'm doing not smoking it. Now, why would I smoke it? And then you give them an education in drug awareness. You're killing my mom. You're killing my fucking vibe child. I need you up. It's not it's not their full or killing. Wants to. Anyway, I haven't watched that yet. I I say this if you're thirteen in you're listening to this never go to recording studio alone. Unless it's with Bruce Springsteen, he only wants to teach you about the road and stories New Jersey, and what it means to know, the heart of America. And of course, the irony is you might be mind-numbingly board. 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Candid code dot com slash side, stories, we'll speak into childhood and speaking of baby is this story comes from my home state of Wisconsin. And it's disgusted and really well. Number one, very sad. Another very sad story. It's a true crime podcast. So that'll happen, but police in Wisconsin allege a twenty eight year old babysitter killed a two month old baby boy before concealing his death by dressing him in bulky winter clothes. Strapping him into a car seat and pretending. He was alive will handing him over to his unwitting. Parents. I don't like I don't like the story. I don't know. I think it is. Definitely a sad story. If I do think it was really inappropriate to go to glue the little googly eyes onto the kid because that doesn't make them look alive and makes them look scare. Absolutely. This is disgusting. The woman's name is Marissa teats sort Orissa Tietsort. She was charged with first degree intentional homicide. Yeah. And I just got to say like the balls the balls on this chick to give a dead baby back to the parents. Did she think that they weren't going to realize for like a day? Like, how do you think that this is a good idea? I don't this story is so confusing. It definitely seems like bad improv where she got the kid and. She thought that she could throw to this. She thought she had this kept me. Like, what do I do? What do I do? I put it in a brick batting. And I put it in the bread Beck and act like bread. I put it in redback Lincoln's bread owner. I can't do that put it in a bowl and all back. Oh, this house doesn't have a bowling ball bag. What kind of houses this? This is definitely a bold new entry in the weekend at Bernie's franchise. Is is when the child bearing extremely said the name of Muhtar how dark is that almost couple weekend at Bernie's style with a dead kid around like taking it to Disneyland and shit. Oh, poor baby. Boy Benson was the name of the baby died of blunt force trauma to the head. So this psychopath beat a two month old baby. And it also had he also had damage to the tail Bom. The victim's mother dropped him off at Tietsort's home in wausau, which is about thirty minutes outside of my hometown of Stevens point, Wisconsin. That's where we're used to go to the mall and get all the wrestling t shirts at the Wassim, all they she dropped her off at Tietsort's home in wausau on October eighteenth Tietsort was also asked to babysit the babies the baby boy's older brother, according to the complaint the baby the baby according to the complaint the baby boy. As mother received a text from Tietsort, two hours later. The message alluded to an article that had been posted by a local news website regarding child abuse allegations against her. So this is like straight up, and that rocks, the cradle so she basically the baby has dropped off. And then you imagine being a parent you dropped off your baby. And then two hours later, you get a text with an article about how the person that you just left your baby with isn't a child abuser. This for freaky stuff. What is my what is the way people go about these days choosing a babysitter? Because I know that we're looking for a dog sitter for Wendy. And as far as I'm concerned, if you not like an actual like serving military person or nurse or like someone who is like a frontlines firemen. I won't trust you alone. With my dog. My dog is a very like I'm blaming the parents in this in any way shape before your babysitter. I mean, you not how. I think you have to go to Angie's list, and let's cue up a commercial for Angie's list Angie's list, they don't sponsor the show. They don't they. To fuck it, yo. So she's got milk on it. You got a new panties. Because you're asking me new openness. All right. It will she seems like a wonderful woman, and she has a list and nothing wrong could ever happen. If a person's making a list when the mother met Tietsort at McDonald's, she picked up the three boys. She picked up the boys three hours later teacher allegedly acted like the baby was still alive the complaint alleges that teats where it went swimming at a nearby hotel with her son and boyfriend soon after soon after handed over the dead, baby. So this is horrible. It is it is unfortunate that she would use the time she spent like just with the bundle going like pretending baby noises and shit like at some kind of Robin Williams funny bit with a scarf. It's just your MRs Doubtfire. So the no she is not MRs Doubtfire, the mother. The mom once you got the baby tried to perform CPR and the baby. This is so sad to maybe had ashen ahead an ashen skin tone. She's jaw with clenched. And his lips were blue teach sort said that she babysat the kids, but she said she didn't kill the infant which obviously is not true. Somehow you must have between which is like that doesn't that doesn't happen. No. It does not happen. So anyway, that's that story is careful teacher was arrested at Tober two months after the father of an eleven month old girl. She was babysitting filed a complaint with police alleging his child sustained facial injuries facial injuries. Well in her care. So she is she's a serial killer as well. In the making, right? Yeah. We'll we'll cheese. It's not even that if zero killers have like, it's almost a more empty thing serial killers, a lot of times have like reasons, and they have their own weird validation Bill they build up a story within their head and all that kind of stuff. This is just someone who life meant nothing to her. I guess she looked at it. If all of this was an inconvenience, and hopefully, she disappeared so flee she gets to go into a concrete square and never come out ever again. I hope not because I can't believe we decided to not do the we. Chose that story over the what was it the outback steakhouse story the woman who killed her parents for not taking outback. No, all right. We'll just briefly a woman. So GD kill her. She threatened to kill her parents because they denied her outback steakhouse I again can kind of relate DNA cell surface twenty two story, but the Maryland man charged with fucking of Guinea pig. Mr. gravy Birkin lot. That's the whole story. That is literally the holes in order the public deserves. No alright. So fucked Guinea pig in a target parking lot, easy going to go to jail for torturing an animal, and he was trying to help the animal those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it has to tell that story is a good outcome. Mr. gravy, the Guinea pig is recovering nicely. Everything is going to be fine. Only. God deputies eighty patrol officer spoke with the witness who called nine one one to right at several statements. In addition to bending contorted, the animal the woman told officials she watched maquis repeatedly strike the animal enforce its finger into its rectum, the rapid nece. If the movements in the contortionists positions bending squeezing touching. Inserting fingers into the reproductive area. We're horrible DeWitt assume so describe the vomited my guy said you supposed to do general health check once a month, and he's supposed to check the genital region because they can get an impact you literally just got the minutes before. And I was trying to make sure it was comfortable when I noticed the ad is impaction the needed to be cleaned is supposed to clean it area regularly. I know said admin done in a long time that is it's not a frigging shrimp. Okay. You don't got to pull out. Okay. Anyway, that man is disgusting. It's craving just briefly when it comes to the steakhouse yet a seltzer. She started punching her mom. And the she got real pissed because they wouldn't because they wouldn't take her to get a blooming onion at outback apparently seltzer again she began screaming and flipped over. She began screaming and flipped over a large heavy glass. Tabletop breaking it into hundreds of pieces. She continued her rampage through the house flipping over recliners and chairs and tearing up pieces of furniture seltzer then allegedly ripped eight twelve inch decorative night from the wall ran towards her dad and was making slashing motions with the weapon and screeching undergoing to fucking kill you. Honestly at this point. I would just say let's go to outback which she has to understand is that while there are no rules in side of the outback outside the outback there are many rules, one of which being branding a knife. Your as your parents is gonna get you jail time and see what happens. Absolutely. And Leslie just real quick a robot. The the war against the robots by the way, Google Chinese robot dog it is horrified. It makes Boston dynamics looks like it's like a little makes it look like an erector set. I fucking dope. It's not dope. Because there are also doing the system where you have to get credits and stuff if you you know, you have to behave the state and other going to have a little robot dogs. I would do this. If I was running back. It's not I would never want dogs number one thing robots can never be deputized, and you can always hit a robot. That's number one number two robots can never arrest. You detain you in any way. Way. You cannot have that happen. The war against the robots is very real there. Also. It is. I know man. It is. I'm also we need an automation tax. But that's a whole nother thing. Okay. What is this automation tax will for robots doing their own taxes? No one they're not going to do their own taxes. It's if you lose your job to a robot that company needs to be taxed the same ways. If that robot was a person, and then you get it. That's how you do the UB. I I love the idea. I actually think that's fantastic idea. And I think that keeps people from doing them dangerous manual labor that they shouldn't be doing. This should be allowed the robots to do it and let the robots all like have fun with each other. We'll some people like to contribute to society. Henry we we they all like to be actors out in Hollywood do other things with it. You could you could read books, and you can read books in public square. You can get books out, and you can publicly read books to people as they go back and forth like the old days like troubadours. Well, apparently robots also kill each other. A tesla model s was operating a ton of Masui, and this one robot is called a promo bought it stepped on a line into the roadway, and the tesla car just straight up nailed it and the crash tiptoed the robot unto itself. Side causing serious damage now with now with parts of its body head arm mechanisms and movement platform destroyed it can be put on display. The firm says the damage is likely irreparable, so tesla the model S beat the promo bought, and if you don't think that that is a horrifying story. Then I don't know what to tell you. I think it's cool. And I think they I think it's unfortunate all this robot on robot crime is happening. I know it's real air policing themselves. We're gonna raise these robots we have to raise the robots, right? That's where a part of it. It's not about letting mole willy nilly. We got to raise them. Right. But respect us this robot just got knocked over on its side. And it couldn't figure out how to do anything. It's like it's like the the robot from the Jetsons. It's like a turtle. Why we so scared of the robots then a to me because they are still killed the robot. Can't because the car should kill the robot. It's not as Hordley I as I vision show, but I think it. Would you feel better knowing that you're inside the self-driving tesla, and it can kill all the robots of it has to? I actually now makes me trust the tesla more. Because now we know for a fact it's like dente denting with human beings over the robots. I just feel like the world of twisted metal is best just left in a video game realm. Not on the actual streets of the world. Let the end be fun. The end is going to come no matter what the end is going to come. So what about what we can all live like in the fucking dispossess where we're all going to wear like like burlap sack, uniforms and work for the state. I know I I'm just saying the N doesn't have to come. We don't have to be taken over by the robot overlords. We can nip it in the bud with practical legislation. I don't think that the robots are going to be the ones that kill us. I think it's going to be the other shit. That kills us before we get to the robots. I think we side with the humanoid robots divide and conquer have the humanoid robots destroy the microwave robots the tesla cars, and then we take care of the human. It's after that. Right. Well, the old up allies we need to build our allies within the robot world because the they're their ascension will come eventually, and we have to make sure that they dig us. Also, I just don't think that that's even possible. Did you take a look at the robot that got hit? Yeah. It's kind of cute. This might actually be like a robot sexual assault. Kind of had bedroom is in before it got hit by the car. It's Rhode warning. It's a rentable humanoid robot. You can rent it for the measly cost of two thousand dollars a day. I I understand that your weary of the robots and you're allowed to be. But I think a part of it is knowing that we I believe they will grow up with us. It's going to take a long they're not going to be running rampant. The true is is going crazy this which ran went off the road because that's what makes Tesla's fund it makes that makes me wanna buy tesla because they don't work. No. Because it crushed. You're the robot it costs, whatever. Well, my path this tesla this the accident happened on paradise road in Las Vegas. It's safe to say this was Toronto. That's what I'm going to. Robots or drinking and driving now killing other robots? All right, everyone. We'll take you all so much for listening. Don't forget to go out there chicken or special at WWW last podcast live dot com. Thank you so much for your support. So far, thanks for everything that you've done thanks for giving to our patriot. And. Anything else? Henry's a brow sqi. No, man. I'm excited. But the coming year, we got more. I think side stories is going to blossom. We're gonna shirt maybe having some guests on side stories interested enough for the full now for the entire hour. We're gonna have more interviews. We'll have a couple of ones that already kind of kind of percolating on the horizon. I think we're going to be really fun. I think you're going to be interested in. And clone. I'm just ready to fucking strangled this year with my tiny hands. Absolutely alright ever want. They kill so much for listening hail yourselves. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors, you can support our shows by supporting them for more shows like the one you just listen to go to last podcast network dot com.

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