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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

Big Blue View

22:04 min | 2 years ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Edvin Thein of big blue view in today's show. We're going to do something that we really haven't done here at big blue radio at least not done enough of we are going to do a Twitter Tuesday at our website. We've been doing mailbags for quite a while now and recently almost all of the questions that we have been answering have been coming through the big blue view mailbox at big blue view at g mail dot com. Haven't actually had to solicit questions from our Twitter followers for quite a while. So what I thought I would do this week. I. I asked for questions on Twitter to the BBB mail bag and today what we'll do is. We will answer some of those questions that I got from our Twitter followers as we build up to the two thousand and nineteen NFL draft. All right giants fans. Let's get started here quickly with our first question. Joe burst wants to know could the giants. Go tight end with the seventeenth overall pick. Joe this is kind of an interesting one I did an appearance with Pat traina unlocked on giants earlier this week. And Pat asked me if I thought there was one sort of outside the box scenario that would sort of turn the draft on its head for the giants and the one that I mentioned is actually taking tight end actually at the sixth overall pick one of the things. That that we know TJ Hopkinson of Iowa is considered to be the best overall tight end in the draft. I know there are fans of Noah font as well. But for the most part Hopkinson is tight end one on most draft boards. What we also know is that the giants need some receiving help after trading. Odell Beckham, you know, they have sterling Shepard they have an Ingram tight end. They signed golden Tate. They're bringing back Korey Coleman in but they could still use a big wide receiver. And there are some who believe that that big wide receiver could or should be Evan Ingraham. To take Hopkinson at six or seventeen. If he still happens to be available, and to be honest. I don't think he'll be there at seventeen to take Hopkinson would allow the giants to play Angra m- more on the outside. Now, do I see this as a legitimate thing that the giants would actually do probably not? There are too many needs in other places too many connections between the giants and and Ed rushers defensive lineman. You know, they have needs at corner on defense. There's always the possibility that they'll take a quarterback somewhere along the way. So you know, offensive tackle, even perhaps the center position. I think all of those things could be more likely than using a pick on a tight end. And or a skill position player like a wide receiver like like decay Metcalf. For Hakeem Butler or Nikial Harrier, whoever you happen to to think is value at seventeen on. But if you want a scenario, that's that's outside the box. That's possible. I do happen to believe that Hocson is a player that the giants are attracted to so as an outside the box scenario. I would simply say keep that one in mind. All right. Let's move on to another question. Jay pollard. Eight eight eight wants to know what sense. Does it make to lock in on defense with the sixth pick? And to think that the giants just take a quarterback at seventeen. Isn't. It more doubtful that if they subscribe to not reaching for a quarterback. It's a bigger reach at seventeen taking the third or fourth quarterback rather than the second best at number six. Well, I look at it this way, it's how they set their draft board. If you're at number six, let's talk about quarterback if you're at number six and the top quarterback ranked on your board. If you're ranking prospects say one to fifty the top quarterback on your board happens to be, you know, for argument's sake will use Dwayne Haskins if you were. Board says that twain Haskins is the twenty fifth or thirtieth or thirty fifth best player than that's a massive reach to take him at number six, especially when you have so many defensive players who should be ranked in the top ten on most draft boards, the value in this draft and value is something that the giants talk about consistently the value in this draft in the top ten appears to be largely on the defense side of the football. So that is why I think the giants are so often connected to to defensive players to Quinton Williams. If he happens to fall to Josh Allen, if he happens to fall, Montas sweat. Rashawn Gary Brian burns, Devon white. Perhaps, you know, someone Ed Oliver perhaps someone in that, you know, someone out of that group of players. I think that that is where the value is at number six in terms of number seventeen. Once again, let's let's say that it's Dwayne Haskins. And let's say that that he's you know that he's ranked twentieth or twenty fifth on their draft board to take him at seventeen if they feel like he's a quarterback they could succeed with that is closer to realistic value. I don't see it as I don't see it as that much of a reach to say, oh, you know, if they didn't like this guy at six what you know. Then then why should they like him at seventeen because the value is closer to what they have on their draft board. If you know if that's the way, they want to go if they don't think the quarterback is value at six, then you take the player, you think can really impact your defense. I continue to believe I continue to think there's a strong possibility that the giants will not take a quarterback at all in the first round. Maybe they'll take one at thirty seven. Don't know. Maybe they will take someone like Daniel Jones at seventeen, but I'm not buying this argument that if he's not value at six than he's not value at seventeen. I simply don't see it that way. Alright giants fans another question that we have here comes from David freed and David wants to know. I don't see a lot of mock drafts with the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. Whereas I believe that is inevitable. What odds are you giving that the six or seventeenth pick is a hog, Molly? Well, David, let's put it this way. Haag molly's exist on both sides of the football offensive and defensive lines. I think we've established that somewhere along the way, you know, the giants will be, you know, we'll be paying a lot of attention to the defense in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Pretty much. We you know, it would be a surprise at this point if the the sixth overall pick is not a defensive player most likely affront, seven guy, you know, and more likely than not an edge guy or an interior linemen. You know, like a Quinton Williams. You know, an edge guy like a Montas, sweat or Brian burns as we've talked about were, Sean, Gary, you know, whoever happens to be on the board there. I think that I'm not sure that I by the fact that you know, quote, unquote, not a lot of mock drafts have the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. I think that we quite often see, you know, someone like John Taylor of Florida if he falls to seventeen mach to the giants we see Andrei Dillard of Washington state or Cody Ford of Oklahoma mocked to the giants. And I think all of those guys are realistic possibilities for the giants in the first in the first round. So would someone like like if you wanna center Garrett bradberry would be guy, you know, who would get consideration in the first round if he's there at seventeen I look at six seventeen and thirty seven and have said this before you look at quarterback you look at right? Tackle you look at pass rusher. You look at cornerback. And if you really want to you could probably throw in wide receiver as as a fifth area, but focusing on those first four. Positions. I would think that somewhere in those first thirty seven picks where the giants have six seventeen thirty seven. I think you're going to see the giants hit three of those four areas. And I think right tackle is a huge priority. So at seventeen or thirty seven I think, it's very very very possible that the pick for the giants at that point in the draft would be a guy who could slide in at right tackle. Let's take a quick break for word from our sponsors. Then we will come back and answer more of your questions here on this Twitter Tuesday. Listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted MA finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show the M a our each Monday, we speak with top athletes of MA from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. Plus, we answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. It seems mart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. All right giants fans. We're here on the Valentine's views podcast, and we are answering questions from giants fans for a Twitter Tuesday edition of our show. So let's get to our next question. Observer man, twenty four wants to know he says, I know everyone wants to upgrade our coverage unit. But should we look at taking coverage linebacker more than taking a cornerback? We obviously have to give Sam Bill and grant Haley chance to prove themselves, and I think taking the linebacker would solve our inability to cover tight ends and running backs. Observer man, I look at it this way, I've said it many many times I continue say it over and over the giants need help. They need upgrades. You can argue at pretty much every position along their defense. I'm not necessarily. I don't want to obsess about a coverage. Linebacker. I think Cornerbacks possibility at seventeen someone like Brian Byron Murphy, I think it's a possibility at thirty seven. It's a possibility in the third round. I think the giants absolutely have to upgrade their cornerback. You know, I'm not buying the notion that we that the giants have to give someone like grant Haley chance to prove them to prove himself. They will undoubtedly give Sam Bill along. Look they drafted him in the supplemental draft sacrificed a third round pick this time around to do. So they're going to give him an opportunity if they can up grade from grant Haley, they're going to try to do that. If they can add talent at the cornerback position. They're going to try to do that if they can add a good linebacker somewhere along the way, they're going to try to do that. I'm not going to sit here and say linebackers. Important than cornerback. I quite honestly don't think that it is. I think that what's important for the giants is to add good players at as many levels of their defense as possible when it comes specifically to cornerback. One of my views has always been that you can never have enough. Good quality coverage players so any Cornerbacks that they want to draft. I'm going to be in full support of of them doing just that drafting guys who can cover players in the back end of their defense. All right. Our final question for today comes from barchi, man. And he wants to know he says Dave Gettleman prefers quote adults. The last time fat Shurmur was a second year. Head coach the Cleveland Browns took a twenty eight year old Brandon Weeden in the first round. Do I have any concerns that the drains will look to draft the safety? Safest least dynamic quarterback if they take one in this draft. Listen, I think that what the giants are going to do if they take a quarterback isn't going to be an isn't going to be to take the quote, safest choice. I think they're going to take the player that they believe in. Whether that's a guy who looks like a safe choice like Daniel Jones. You know on paper. Maybe it's a guy who's a a flyer Eknath. Let guy with a with a huge arm like like a Tyree Jackson, you know, later on in the draft. They're going to take the player they think fits what they want to do the best. They'll take a quarterback at seventeen or thirty seven or later in the draft. You know, if they think it's value selection. You know, maybe later on in the draft that guy is Ryan Finley guy who maybe doesn't have the greatest arm in terms of arm strength, but also happens to fill a lot of the or check a lot of the boxes that Pat Shurmur likes in terms of personality in terms of accuracy, in terms of anticipation, a lot of those kinds of things. So, you know, I don't think it's about being safe. It's about selecting the guy that they think. Is right for them. And I've said this bunch of times maybe that guys in this draft. Maybe they take a flyer on somebody this year. Maybe they use a second or third round pick. Maybe the guy that they want isn't in this draft at all. And that's okay. If they don't take one if there's a guy if there's no one they really believe in no one they that Pat Shurmur says I really want to coach that guy which is one of his his things that that he says when he's asked about you know, what does he think about when it comes to quarterbacks in the draft. He one of the questions he asks himself is whether he really wants to coach that player. And and maybe Dave Gettleman has said, you know, he dreams about dropping a franchise quarterback or getting one for the giants. You know before his time as general manager is is over with. It's it's entirely possible. That guy's not in this draft class. And if he's not then that's okay. Okay. You don't take a quarterback just to take one? You don't take one because the media or the fan base or Mel kiper says that you should you take one because you believe he's the guy that can lead your franchise. And if there isn't one of those guys in this draft class. That's okay. If there is one they'll take one, and you know, they know they have to find a long-term replacement for ally. Manning, they know he's thirty eight years old. They know he's on the back side of his career. You know, they know his time is short. So they'll they'll do what they have to do. They'll do what they think is. Right. And when they find the guy they think can be the long term solution. You know, then they'll make the move and get the guy. So, you know, we'll just see what happens, but I don't think they're not going to go out there and find the safest least dynamic guy because then then there. Admitted if that's their philosophy than they're settling, you know, they're settling for average. So and I don't think that is the goal at all no matter who they wind up picking. All right giants fans that is our Twitter Tuesday edition of the Valentine's views podcast as always we. Appreciate you listening. Please give me a follow at big blue view on Twitter. If you haven't done that already, you know, join the community at big blue view dot com. Make sure that you subscribe to big blue view radio on all of your favorite podcast applications. Make sure that you check out the shows from Chris Fleming, Dan position to here on big blue view radio as we continue to try to cover the NFL draft from all angles. 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Fireside Chats #8: Kyle Crabbs of The Draft Network

Bleeding Green Nation

21:53 min | 2 years ago

Fireside Chats #8: Kyle Crabbs of The Draft Network

"Welcome into fireside chats. This is episode eight brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed and fell. That's K I S T. Fireside? Chats was a show created to have conversations with some of the best minds in the industry had discussions with the mastermind behind the company that helped propel the eagles to Super Bowl. We've talked with former NFL players like trae Thomas and Ryan Westbrook and a host of others. And today, we have another great guest and a leading mind in the draft community. Joining me here today on fireside. Chats is the grind father the whiskey wonder he's these senior NFL draft analyst for the draft network dot com. Co host of the drafters podcast which needs to be in your rotation especially this time of year. He's also the new lead editor of the dolphins wire. He is Kyle crabs. He's on Twitter at grinding the tape. Kyle. So glad to have you on here with us today. How you doing brother? Listen, you had Brian Westford on the show. And now you have me on how far down into the call list. Did you have to get you gotta yes for today cheese? It was it was a direct leap. I mean. You're right up there with Westbrook for me. Thank you. So much. I'm just gonna put that as my next title. You gave me about fifteen of their. So I'm just going to throw that right? At the tail end feeling. Tar Gary Brian Westbrook equivalent cow grabs Mike s today. So called before we get into the exciting things happening at the draft network dot com day, I wanted to put in a good word for you guys. What you're doing over there? I have dues from the site on here all the time on this on this network. I even co host the show with one in Benjamin so lack, but I wanted to thank you for all the hard work that you put into the site, and I was able to link up with you guys down in Saint Pete for the shrine game and told you that draft network is my go-to resource. And that's because I know for a fact that effort that your staff puts into their evaluations. I it's a place where I can cross check my evaluations because there's hundreds of players with details. Scouting reports. I love that you guys show your work and analyze each aspect of a player's game in great detail. But tell me Cal what was the goal behind creating the draft network. What were you trying to provide to the people? That would make them more informed throughout the process. What's the mission statement, essentially sure, I had done my own kind of independent contracting with an entity that I had created called entity scouting over the course of the summer, we had some potential investors. If you all reach out more like, hey, we like what you're doing. We want to expand on it. And they kind of absorbed everything that we had built in a lot of our staff, including guys like Joel Merino John later on a couple other guys like Trevor sigma who is a big Tampa Bay Buccaneers guy at the beginning. What we really wanted to do was to take all the pieces of NFL draft coverage because there are places out there that do a certain aspect of it very well. But there was no place that did it all well used it as a one stop shop treated it like a year round process. The way that NFL teams do and really capitalized on this intersection between college football fans. NFL fans and specifically draft. It's so if you think about the football world in that realm, you have a college section appro section in the overlap is the draft in that's really a powerful unifying force between those in. It's interesting because you talk to fans of college football, and they don't really get the dynamics of their favorite player on their favorite college team going to the pros and being a fifth round projection in why that is because he was so awesome in college that has been a really really fun area to explore for us as work kind of in our first year of existence for about six months old trying to find what resonates with our audience, which is football fans period in twelve months band. So now that everybody knows what the draft network dot com is about let's share some big news. Let's break some news here because you guys are dropping something. I don't want to steal the spotlight in that regard. Even though I'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on it. Kyle what is different about the draft network today. Day on Monday, everything we've been working with a very talented group of app, developers who have been building a couple interactive tools for us at the draft network. We want to empower our audience because it is a subjective field. Right. It's it's watching taper. Maybe you wanna to value numbers in analytics, we wanna give anybody who comes on the site. The chance to be the expert the draft expert. So we've put together these interactive tools, they'll grow big board and mock draft machine, and this after our press, also remodeled in remade, our entire website to make it much more user friendly mobile friendly, you can use the Iraq tools on mobile as well. And really you register on the site is his all free, and you can use interactive tools to piece together. Whether you're fan of a team anyone build a team specific big border. You wanna do your top fifteen or a top three hundred or anywhere between you can list. These players. Offers in your order of preference to create your big word end, then import that into our mock draft machine and use it as your guide as you run through simulations of the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. So when you do that, let's see I create a big board. I can always come back to that big board and rearrange it. Like, I can store my work there, essentially, so you can open that back up at any point. And if you wanna reorder the names on your list, all us at all you have to do is click and drag, and if you're not familiar with the names, you click on the names of any of the players in our store rankings, and it will have a slide out that gives you each one of our individual notes on a trade by trade basis and summary basis of those players to give you an idea, you know, this guy's gonna fit best in even front or an odd front or maybe this guy's not quite long or physical enough to play outside corner. So he's probably better in the nickel those sorts of caveats that come with individual players instead of just saying, oh, well, the Philadelphia Eagles need a wide receiver. So I'm going to pick this guy. It might not. A really good fit for the kind of receiver that your team needs. Yeah. So when you go through the mock draft machine, and you guys were building this was there a specific challenge that was really hard for you guys to kind of get a handle on as you were building this algorithm to kind of create like, a predictive type what will actually happen based on league trends, and what teams do or anything that was a big roadblock for you you go through each of the teams in your. You're trying to weigh out what their primary needs are what their secondary needs are. And what their answering needs are in trying to find that balance between his team needs players at XYZ position. But how do you balance that is really what you would imagine teams? Go through from dilemma perspective of how much building our algorithm. Do we want it to be needs face? I value based versus best player available period. And it took us a couple renditions of that to strike of Allen's that we felt was appropriate as we've been running through simulations. We've come across some interesting things. In one of those. No, this is a running back class where we put a lot of running backs in that around three round four type of valuation, but running back simply don't go at that rate. Right and running backs aren't valued by the league unless you are perceived to be in a leak, physical talent. So as we were building these were seeing, okay? You know, we we get to the sixth round in like our twelve best players or frigging running backs. How do we how do we value that in what's the value there? So I mean for me personally, knowing that something that we struggled with even though we like these players in the out rooms on fascinated to get into this year's draft in see what running backs look like in if they run if if we've really captured something here that kinda was foreshadowing for what the actual draft materialized today. Now, it's interesting, you know, could Josten cups from Alabama fall into the second round. Or is it going to be a situation where someone picks him high, and then someone like retard retard penny from last year saying type situation? To someone take David Montgomery or derail Henderson from Memphis at the end of the first round. So yeah, that's definitely got to be a challenge to kind of work around. But you got a brand new layout their draft network dot com. A robust mock draft machine with a lot of thought into the algorithm and the ability to build your own big board and save it. And learn more about the prospects as you do. So this is great because as a content creator, I can use these tools out the process to show the different scenarios for the readers and where I might depart from the league. And there's just a lot going on there to help me generate my own content from your contents on looking forward to get in there and playing around and up next. We're going to talk with Kyle about the NFL scouting combine. And how he broke into the business. That's right here on fireside chats brought to you by bleeding green nation and Espy nation. Hi, this is Jim. Check out our podcast step over Willoughby, Belarus podcasts that work role of your Sixers needs player analysis game breakdowns with a in headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcast feed on I tunes, Stitcher Spotify or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about success basketball. Mostly. Looking back to fireside chats. We talking with Kyle crabs of the traffic network. Let's jump right back into things and talk about the NFL scouting combine, which is derided by some as the underwear Olympics due to the athletic freaks that sometimes bust out and the outliers that perform badly and testing, but performed well in the field, but cow win you're processing the information dump that is the combine what are the specific things that you're looking for. And why are they important or not important to you share for me personally? My evaluation process has continued to evolve over the course of this is my sixth than felt wrath. I'm working in the industry. And when I first broke in a Kana tried to formulate something that would work as a series of checks and balances in it waited all of those variables like athletic testing and production, and as I've. Gone more and more. And I feel like my exposure to watching film and understanding what I personally feel correlates to success in. What does not I found myself putting more and more weight into the tape of a player, but you certainly can find thresholds right with that athletic testing. And I think that's the most important mentality to have a really good example as far as athletic testing in how for some positions it naming nothing at all is Orlando Brown junior the Oklahoma state offensive tackle Asher who like could have stood on the line for the broad job. And then just face planted on the ground, and I think he would have been two inches shorter than what he actually jumped right like historically bad testing and everybody freaks out. This was a guy that was potentially a top fifteen. Top twenty pig. Ends up getting drafted in the third round because his body composition was in great. There were some work ethic questions there. And then he goes to twenty plays. Really well as a rookie. It's important not to count it twice. It's important. Not. Overreacted this athletic testing. But that is the one big thing that as I've collected all the athletes testing over the course of the past several seasons is it really opens. Your eyes is far as thresholds and necessary amounts of explosiveness or change direction skill that, you can identify an athlete through this athletic testing that may say, okay, this guy has a chance to be successful player. But this probably eliminates him for being a first round pick can't Lee Platt does a really nice job of that believe his Twitter handles math bomb. He has an RS razz system that that does a really really nice job of quantifying that I know he's been putting some great stuff outside you wanna tip my cap to him because that kinda has US that question. It's immediately were my head win is far what I do in. How I can see someone else doing something similar, you know, it's interesting because for the combine testing, I have my film grades and everything like that. And I have a base idea what a player's athleticism is that score is going to change based on the combine. And I'm actually going to take parts of. Of Kant's Rask score and use that to build out my athletic, great. So I'm glad that you brought him up because he he's actually integral part of my process, and I'll fire one specific question about a position here. What's more important for running backs Kalle is at the ten yard split or the forty yard. Dash from me personally. I think the ten yards split is much more something that I value because I want the guy that can generate that explosiveness in short spaces because that's where you can break a lot of pursuit angles in angles as defensive players on the second level or scraping looking to meet you once you identify that that gap is there if you have that ten yard explosiveness you can break some of those angles. Yeah. And sure you may get caught like sixty yards downfield. But at the same time you've just broken off chunk game. Because you have that initial explosiveness to break through that gap out agree with that new see cases like that with Kareem hunt and Alvin compare that didn't have antastic forties. But you look at the ten yard split in its. Definitely a very good and passable some guys that can break angles from the second level. Okay. So the NFL scouting combine starts February twenty six, but what you gentle listener will be taking off of workforce starts March first which is Friday give yourself a three day weekend. That's when running backs offense of line special teams, take the field for on field workouts? Always a good time. Never any overreactions to Atlantic dudes testing like athletic dudes, never any double checking boxes. Of course. We're all rational analyst and adult Knowles. Kyle the last thing I really wanted to dig into here. And maybe the listeners who are interested in this field can gain some insight from this. Why is this? Meaning scouting what you wanted to do. And how did you break into the business? I was not a very good athlete in the grand scheme of things. I had to work my tail off to play at a successful high school in star for the last two years of my high school career did not get a chance to pursue a further playing career to college level on account of injury. So I coach for several seasons and just that college work life balance really was difficult to to maintain. So I knew I wasn't done with the game kinda struggle with. How do I continue to stay part of the game in? I was I guess the word I'm looking for is blessed to be a dolphins fan growing up in. This was a team that was always out of contention. When I was college years like the last fifteen years really by the end of October like all, right? Well, it's time to start looking forward for next year who? Or guys that I can look to the college level that can maybe help this team in that a couple years of that it really became apparent to me like this was a passionate that I had that I didn't even necessarily realize identify when I was younger. And so I just started writing I had a colleague friend who was hired by NFL team in win. He was hired. He said, you know, if this is something that you wanna do put yourself out there in pour yourself into it. And see where it goes. I think this would be anybody who's interested in getting in the scouting you have to have a certain level of understanding about the game. But it's not anything that can't be learned. I was fortunate with my coaching experience that I was exposed to a lot of high level thinkers that I feel like really helped mold in shape. My I for the game. But you can learn these tools in these qualities. It's just how hard do you want to work in investor time into it in Saccharomyces that you make I would say this. I five years ago. I was nobody I was twenty. Four years old working as a corporate fitness facility manager and was just finished my second year of not coaching football. And having the age to do something with the sport. So I started a blog. I started writing. I studied I stayed in skip going out to the bar with my friends and just by being on the internet. Don't let anybody tell you social media has no power that you're wasting your time just by being on the internet in tweeting and writing articles in sharing them in networking with people and going to events in five years. I have a fulltime job as a draft analyst for the draft network dot com. And along the way my writing skills developed enough that I became the lead editor and manager of the dolphins wire through USA today. So it's possible. It's a lot of work. But if you put yourself out there, and you really trying perfect your craft. You can go very long way because this is the age for entrepreneurs who can take advantage of empower empower through the internet. I definitely. Agree with that. I mean, that's kinda how I got my start to in got to this point. And I imagined that your talent evaluate our prospects. But also with what you do you have to be an evaluator of amateur evaluators as well. What are you looking for in the guys that either you have on staff or you think might have something that will allow them to make it in this industry, yet kind of what I had initially said where you have to have a baseline level understanding of the game. Right. If you don't then you're just not ready. And that doesn't mean you you'll never be ready. But you have to know what you know, when you have to know what you don't know now so seeing an interacting with young folks in just engaging conversations with people in kind of talk, not a player once in a while need, somebody says something that you feel like really insightful in you know, maybe you hadn't thought to take from that specific angle. And that's what's really caught my eye with a lot of young guys is is those interactions in in conversations about football players. And then from there, it's it's really how serious are you? If I for example, I've I've been looking to add somebody to the dolphins wire. I spoke. With someone and said, hey by Friday night, this was Wednesday afternoon by Friday night one or two gimme a write up on player. And this guy, you know, it's Friday ten o'clock at him checking my wash and like, oh, boy is he is he gonna miss the window. And he emailed it to me. And it was like nine hundred fifty words, and it was very very good. So taking those kind of opportunities seriously, if you engage with someone, and you know, that they're going to get the work done in a prompt manner is really something that you have to take it series. Yeah. Do you guys have anything planned out at the draft network? There of what you're going to be doing for the actual draft is or any special video content or streaming content or is all the focus on the combine right now, which would definitely be understandable. We are working on finalizing plans are planned at this point is to do a live stream for each of the three days of the NFL draft that you guys can watch at the draft network dot com. We hoped to go hope to go to Nashville where we're in conversations with a potential host too. Host us an our streaming throughout each of the three days there in behinds all within fell draft stands as they come to Nashville so really excited about that. Potential hope to have those details finalized in the near future. I love that. You guys are really ramping up what you're doing Evan. But you're doing it in a smart way. And you have plans in place of what you wanna do. And how you wanna get there? And it's not just being rushed out. So I really appreciate the way. You guys are building your business and your and your brand there to Kyle, man. I really appreciate you coming on with us today. Let the listeners know where they can find you and all the great work that you guys are doing again swing over and check out the new draft network dot com. First and foremost for really excited about it. It's a beautiful looking site. It's very user friendly. And we present a lot of information to you guys and let you guys in courage. You guys to make those decisions for yourself. You can find me on social media at grinding the table in Twitter, and you can find all of my dolphins related works at the dolphins wire dot USA today dot com. So. Follow Kyle, do it and make sure you're also subscribed to bleeding green nation and make sure you're getting in all of those five star ratings and written reviews. Kyle thank you so much for joining us again, this has been fireside chats conversations with leading minds in the industry. Thank you for listening. My name is Spencer hall by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny, we combined we form the shutdown full stride. Keep telling you, we're not this forecast is technically a college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We live Tennessee Batman homeowners. Associations, bears video games. Pittsburgh Batman the hell of being drafted a group. 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Just two four six eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store free today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now at old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven two thousand nine hundred eleven select styles excludes gluten short clearance from San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network work. You're listening to Wrestling Observer vibe with your hosts Bryan Alvarez and Mike Simple. Let's get it the house going. Everybody Bryan Alvarez here on wrestling observer live. We're here every day Monday through Friday new Pacific three eastern Sunday's repositioning six eastern term now. WE'RE GONNA get into here on the show. Today was a very very busy weekend leading into another very very busy weekend with so many different stories to talk about and and joining us today on the show because we were unable to make it work on Friday Lance storm by the way listen to the gym belly show yesterday yesterday new Saturday morning wrestling observer live with Jim Valley joined him yesterday as well so two straight days here on Sports Byline U._S._A. With Lance storm arm a lot to get into with him today including last night. I can't say I watch twelve g one matches but I tried to get his cot up as I could and and I'm somewhat caught up. I've seen any of yesterday's show but I've seen all of the main matches with the exception of I think one day and that includes lewd the Okada Sonata match that everybody's talking about the Tana Hush e Evil Match Zack Sabre Junior will spray these are off my head but pretty much caught up so if you want to talk about the g one where everybody stands oh the Yano match obviously with the former dean ambrose the irony Aurigny of his very first loss g one coming in the middle of goofy comedy while we can talk about all of that today four four four eleven five four. Levin is the phone number number that is toll free eight four four four eleven four eleven and you can send your text messages to forty five seven eight zero seven five six six got updates updates on the all out sell out where we are right now and last night big triple mania show with the debut of Cain Velasquez says and the Blue Damon Junior Dr Wagner junior mask versus hair match the alleged retirement of Dr Wagner Junior. I've gaffed check. You may already have come out of retirement but we'll find out and a lot of other stuff as well so lance will join us during the break and we will be back to kick it off here. Wrestling Observer Observer live they get to old baby for the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flip flops for two bucks graphic tees for four box shorts for six dollars and jeans for eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kid sized prices. Just two four four six and eight dollars can't wait to wear it buy online pick up in store free today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now old navy and old Navy Dot Com invalid seven thousand nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance gift old baby for the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby. Maybe get flipflops for two bucks. Graphic tees for four bucks shorts for six dollars and jeans for eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kids size prices. Just is two four six and eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store free today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now at old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven two thousand nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance. You're listening to wrestling observer live with Bryan Alvarez Alvarez and Mike on the sports byline broadcasting network over is year wrestling observer live Land Stormont. It is joining us here today. Lhasa Taco Bell Lance how you doing I'm doing great just <hes> sweating and a hot Sunday in cal- it is so well hot in this room and I have the air conditioning blasting. All these computers mixers computers three cameras four cameras lights. It's crazy here lance. Yeah the the lights really do it. I've got the doors shut the windows shut and nothing making noise so it's really hot and all your white skin needs is an even brighter light shining straight on your head. Yes I <hes>. Maybe I need some. I'm probably too late for the hymns for me. I've got no hair on top at all so we're getting a glare. You never know if you're too late lance. It's never too late to try anyway so we got a lot to get into you today. Yes if you'd like to check out Lance later on today videoed Rhode affordably online dot com for the video version of this show and I presume you talked about this yesterday. I didn't have a chance to listen to the Gym Valley show. I know that you had any story about Harley race that you said that you were going to tell on the air with me and hey you're on the air with me right now. So let's Talk Harley Race Yeah Yeah. I think it was the only time I actually met him in person. We were doing either T._v. Or how show with W._B. I don't remember which and he was backstage and he was holding court talking to half a dozen people and I was there listening to him and one of the security guys came up and he taps me on the shoulder and him what he's like. Who is that. Is he supposed to be back here. I just looked at him and I'm like dude. That's Harley race. He's supposed to be wherever he damn. Well pleases. The guy's like really. I'm like just leave them alone. Let them do what he wants the the <hes> the said. I think you need to go. Check that man yeah because it was you know eighteen years ago. He would've had a hard time throwing Harley race of wrestling show. That's for sure all right so cody. Rhodes tweeted at tickets have sold out. Thank you all so much. He wrote Eddie added. Do not give up hope about being there live. We should be lifting potential. Camera production holds as we get closer to the event. Keep checking out a w ticks DOT DOT COM and by the way if anybody who listened to this right now happen to go to the building on Friday and get tickets or Saturday because it would have been Saturday ready if you managed to do that. Let me know because people saying that it was possible to do that but I didn't get it confirmed. I was told and please. I'm not certain certain this is the actual number I was told that there may be between two and three thousand tickets that end up being released after they figure out the production of the event so there will be some more tickets available as cody noted here. I don't know when but there will be nine thousand. Two hundred tickets were sold over the first two hours a numbers. We got from A._W._S. Over ten thousand sold on the first day. This is the very first television show this is history. Lance your thoughts on another another A._W._S. Sellout I'm not really surprised I was in the camp. You were that you know. This is the first one you know it's a historic thing you take it to the first nitro. which was everybody at that? Mall but you know they've they've got a loyal fan base. They're very keen eager to hit these big shows and this is a big one you you know. I don't think episode two three four. Five and six are going to sell ten thousand seats but again they've they've. They've <hes> overachieved with everything else but I'm not surprised that it sold out <hes> it. It's it's crazy but you know more power to them. They've got momentum and it's best to capitalize on Roman reigns. It's been about an hour ago tweeted at this time. I think the smackdown life incident was a mistake by the crew which I love and respect. I respect the machine and the team that builds holds. It and I understand that mistakes happen so if you've not been paying attention everybody they did a preposterous angle at the end of smackdown but Roman ranges inches sauntering on over for an interview is gonNA announce his Summer Slam opponent which first off it's like why I got so many things I gotta say but anyway bunch of stuff falls over nearly kills him but then two seconds later he's fine and he just walks off like with no concern whatsoever however like he's a little weirded out a bunch of crap fell on him but it doesn't seem concerned that somebody tried to kill him so a couple days later they announced that they didn't investigation and and it was a errand forklift operator or forklift operator screwed up or something like that and then they added the end. We don't know who the forklift operator was us and it's like okay. I got fifty questions number one. Why is Roman reigns just going to randomly announce a name same for an opponent. It's it's summer slam. He was announcing challenge. WHO'S GONNA challenged challenged. Somebody like that earlier in the show. I tough second-half. Why wasn't he prepared for this. He was he was walking fifty yards to get Kayla at the end of the show second wiser dude at a forklift moving stuff backstage day Jr right around where you're going to do an interview. Why do they not know who this guy is and then the more serious questions why why do we not have a program for Roman reigns until the go home show for Summer Slam because Summer Slam is Sunday and they haven't announced anything yet so if they're doing Daniel Bryan mean like they could've done angles or shot in angle or announce Daniel Bryan versus Roman reigns three weeks ago but instead they had one week of Daniel Bryan teasing announcement unique a second week of teasing announcement that he didn't make and then stuff fell on Roman reigns at now on on the go home show. You're going to just randomly announce on the final show that it's Daniel Bryan Roman reigns at Summer Slam what's going on here. I don't know what's going on. Although I don't have a problem with the timeframe really you know we've talked a lot about you know if they have too long to build something thing you Kinda lose anticipation because there's all these physical altercations and ticket wise. The event is sold out. I believe so at that point. It's just you know people wanting to watch on the network so as long as they hook you at the last minute doesn't matter so from a business standpoint. I don't care but the I guess the forklift thing away to drop the Angler. Is that part of the story. I don't know I I have no idea like I thought it was part of the story but then when they did this weird announcement that it was just like a crew member screwed up and Roman reigns of Paul I mean maybe they saw it and saw a stupid. It was and are dropping. I honestly don't no no and I know people there who don't know what's going on and they should. It reminds me of remember when they had an. I don't know what they're doing haunting angler not but they did. They did a thing years ago. Go where you know. Lights went off backstage like an explosion or short circuit and then there was like the whole set fell on Vince. I think at one point in time you remember this because it was the big thing when you know I vaguely remember the hunter. was there trying to lift you know all of the big E. Tron set off him. I think Vince called him Paul to to make us. You know more believe that it's real. It's vaguely remember this. This is what it felt like to me when it fell on him. I'm like okay okay 'cause I don't remember was was that when was that the build up to the blowing up the limo and then they had to drop the whole angle may the bid tragic. Maybe this is someone remembered. We had this great angle of who done it with someone trying to kill. Vince and they're doing with Roman. I don't know I'm guessing okay but if anybody remembers I remember that I don't remember the timing what was the angle where stuff fell on Vince and it was it just prior to dilemma blowing up angle. You may be right. We'll we'll get an answer here soon. I'm sure but it's it. That's the first thing I thought of when that stuff N._F._L. On him was I remember when it happened to Vince and <hes> it was a big deal and I don't remember whether it was <hes> reviewed favourably or not at the time because it was like the whole vote in front of the fans like the Big Titan tron thing fell over. I think the prisoner is Dan Bryan getting squashed by Roman. It's summer slam as weekday. Daniel Bryan deserves a primary spot. We don't even know what they're doing. I mean honest to God listen if if they're shooting angle five days before the show and it's their first ever match I mean my guess is that this is going to be a program. It's GonNa go more than one match approach now. I would say that because of that. I expect Daniel Bryan the he'll to win the first contest but it's W._W._e. And I've seen like five thousand programs where for whatever reason the baby face wins the first match and then like we're supposed to care about subsequent matches Nafta shoots awesome angles try and make us care again so I can't say for sure but we'll see we'll see yes. We shouldn't assume that it's going to be a squash match. That's with Daniel Bryan yet. No not yet begging for wrestling observer live yeah get to old navy for the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four bucks exc shorts for six dollars and jeans free dollars right now. Get the best kid styles kid size prices. 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It was different than the limo just a way the to end the idea of giving away a million dollars a week. Do you remember what he was doing that. I remember because that's when he got rick rolled when he was doing the right light yellow to to give away a million dollars a week so that's why he was on stage when it all came down. I guess that's how they kill the angle. They killed him for a while now. Vince it was giving away his millions when stuff fell on him so there you go is that right around the time that they brought in trump. Remember trump started dropping money any from the ceiling and that's what led to the battle of the billionaires that was when he bought raw. Wasn't it about Ron. This shareholders like freaked out so they had to do angle handlery. Vince brought it back or back or whatever all right. Let's go to the <hes> phones. You're on the air. What's going on Brian according to you to that. Vince McMahon Incident happened on June twenty four two thousand eight. I can send you the video where he falls off. The station. Equipment falls on top of them. Okay hold on the incident happened on June twenty four th or that's when the incident was uploaded because June twenty four hundred ten thousand eight twenty four thousand eight so okay he's Zaka the trump deal okay excellent questions for Lance Storm. He knows the answer not he's out to be a little bit predicting but up his wrestling school were he's the students go and do you think they'll get to impact wrestling because it's canadian-based rethink that need to get it. Awa because they'll need a lot of bodies though T._V. or you go to us because of three well I have lots of students trion and they'll all end up in different places and you know well impact. They all have ended up in different places. Anthem is a Canadian based company but they still do a a large portion of their T._v. in the U._S. so it's not like it's a Canadian only company but yeah the unlike any school. The vast majority of students will stay on the the indies and I've got students that have made it pretty much everywhere so I don't think there's a a single destination for anyone and dude. I don't know how many more people A._W._S. GONNA sign nine like how many bodies Dezei promotion need. I mean W we has way more bodies in there ever going to use I mean they're overflowing with talent and as a result a lot of that talent doesn't even get utilized. I mean A._W._S. signed a lot of people and they have a talent budget and I. I don't know how close they are to hitting that talent budget but I'm not sure how many more people are going to be signed if they've got quite a roster at this point already W._b. Has Komo Four television shows if you consider raw smackdown and X T in Annex T U K. They've AWA has one. They don't need as many bodies for says yes J._R. Jared podcast recently talked about stuff falling on Vince. It definitely was the million dollar giveaway ending so I don't know it was Roman giving away away a million dollars. Is that playing into the story right here. I tweeted my idea yesterday ideas that his car because he said he kept saying it's a career altering bring a career changing announcement so my idea was he was changing careers. He was going to become a forklift operator and he was out there and something went wrong. He almost killed Roman reigns on accident and so on Tuesday. He'll announce I quit. I'm going back to being a wrestler Slower Allen. A face Roman reigns at Summer Slam. That's why I think this is going. That's how you save the single. Hell of an angle yes those I think those forklifts are battery operated that it probably be more environmentally conscious which is why Daniel Bryan decided to drive one dude. Maybe he had an electric forklift well. I think they all are fatter. They don't plug them in drag a court. I got it all right. Let's go to the phones. During the O'Brien Healy I just wanted to call and actually just ask lanes day in on <hes> <hes> <hes> it ended the episodes from last faith with <hes> with Gary Brian but <hes> to jump on the union talk <hes> that gear broke up brought up to Brian Glances opinion of how he would handle that okay I haven't. I haven't heard Garrett's take yet but I've said this a long time but I think if W._B._Z. Is ever going to be unionized. It's GonNa be through Sag the screen actors guild yet because they're a weekly episodic television show so I would think that that would be the way if if it's ever going to happen. I don't think it's ever going to happen in my lifetime. I don't either I mean I think I've been. I've been saying this never going to happen and since like nineteen ninety five when I first started this. It's just never going to happen. I mean that's it. It's just always been such an individually early minded sport like the boys have always looked after their own business so to speak and I just don't see the all all of the boys coming together for collective bargaining. I just don't see it which is why if it ever does happen. I think it would be through SAG that if if W._B. Wherever to become an exclusive television elevation entity than at that point they might have two eight four four four eleven five four eleven. Is the phone number that is toll free eight four four four eleven eleven at five four eleven. You can text me at four to five seven eight zero seven five six six pretty much. Whatever is on your mind today for myself or Lance Storm. Are Co host here today and let's go to the phones on the air. What's up Brian how you doing today. Yes John on about Mrs Darby Big fabulousness. I used to watch late in the summertime and smoke him out. Fascinating is unimpressed to actually watch. It's a great wrestler out to a great wrestler. Actually a winner that is actually winning wrestling matches and my question is this. I'm on what did you think about Dana. White's comments about UH sideboard into situations. I know you don't watch Resi there but I kinda had wanted somebody with attention to ask the question instead of ever done Panitan over here. What's Your Opinion John. You Idiot I. I think the weird thing is well. Let me read this first. Lance in case anybody doesn't know what he's talking about because he didn't really explain anything to anybody and interview posted on the U._S.'s YouTube Channel Channel. Dana White said they are going to pass on re-signing former. You've see women's featherweight champion. Chris Cyborg have waived her exclusive negotiating window with the company. Anthony White reiterated his belief that st no is avoiding fighting current champion Amanda Nunez Noxious Tino out in less than a minute earlier this year we are out of the CYBORG business. He said why discuss the ongoing war of words between the two and said recent stories about what's being said now are quote absolutely ridiculous. Adding does not have a horrible relationship with her. He also once again attempted to clarify the infamous quote Vanderlei Silva in address comments. He made a media scrum several it years ago. He denied bullying Justino. It's two thousand nine hundred ninety said what is this narrative. Words is coming from. It's an absolute smokescreen to not fight a man Nunez she she found out her U._F._C. contract or unanimous decision over Felicia Spencer last Saturday U._F._C. Two forty she posted an apology to white on Instagram for of her production team making it appear like White was saying he wasn't telling the truth about her adding quote. Even though we will continue to disagree about numerous issues I will will always stand up for doing what is right white re tweeted on twitter and said thank you Chris. You're that story yeah. I I read her statement about the video and it wasn't a bad edited. It was a complete fabrication and I think if I was Dana White I'd be done with her I._p. Chris cyborg business. Do you know it's one thing to edit a portion of the sentence but <hes> fabricate what it was actually set that is completely different thing to with with Cyborg is she did move business for U._F._C. whether be pay per view fights or television ratings but that was all before this this new E._S._p._N. plus steal it doesn't matter it no longer matters how many people are interested in buying pay per views now. This could change for five years down the road when it's time to renegotiate the deal like if if E._S._p._N. is paying them. The equivalent of <hes> two hundred and fifty thousand buys is for every single show and their E._S._P._N. Shows are doing like sixty thousand. I mean they're not gonna get a great deal. When it's time for renewal so you know the time will come where they need to put some big marquee fights and they're still trying to put big marquee fights but the point of this is. Cyborg was not a huge business mover but she was a minor business mover and now it doesn't matter so a minor business mover who has problems with Dana White out of here. It's a very different business now yup. The video was that was that was pretty bad. It's going to the phones. You're on the air. What's up. Hey this is Paul in Barbara's bill and I I was wondering I've watched triple mania last night and I was wondering if we had any updates on <hes> Tormenta who took that horrifying bump where she missed this latter. I don't but I'm trying to find out before the end of the show. Okay <hes> I was also a speculating as to where at this angle with Daniel Bryan may be going and let me pitch an idea to what if he shows up on an X._T. Takeover if this deal with Fox sports goes through and inexperience on basic cable opposite of a w they're going to need some star power then you brian that would probably have options are also masters with the Adam Cole and the Velveteen Green and all those guys and the younger guys in an ex team would probably learned a lot from him so it sounds like a win win win situation well. I WanNa thank you very much for the calls. We talked about earlier it it it a I. It's not official yet but the idea is it's Daniel. Bryan Roman reigns so I don't know what his career altering announcement is going to be. I don't know oh I I don't get the storyline at all. Maybe maybe on Tuesday. It'll be perfectly obvious why wait until the very last minute to announce Brian Roman woman rains in his ankle early sense right now doesn't but we can talk about exte- and the main roster and Daniel Bryan and more when we come back wrestling observer alive get old baby for the biggest guests sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four box shorts for six dollars and jeans <music> eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kid sized prices. Just two four six and eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store free today today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now an old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven thousand nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance get to old navy the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four box shorts for six dollars an in jeans for eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kid sized prices. Just two four six and eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store or free today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now in old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven two thousand nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance. You're listening to wrestling observer live with Bryan Alvarez Chris and Mike on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network Elber is year Wrestling Observer. Live land storm arm here for says what David Gear we're discussing was if somebody from Debbie. We really wanted to get fired. Starting Union. Talk would accomplish that goal no. I don't think so I think they just send them home and not use them. I don't know if that would I don't know exactly how that would be handled on really think about it. I mean it could be. They would just continue to book them. Beat them. Bring them a T._v. and not use them. Pam You know I I just don't see them firing anybody now. You know it takes get fired now like I can't say what it takes to get fired because I don't want anyone to you. Try to do some math but the point of this is like you ain't getting fired nowadays think they'd find some other way to make your life miserable well. The thing is it's like nobody wants to be fired either. It's like you don't want to go down that road so it's not like people are going to try to be insubordination terrible. I think the theory is people want to Awa and maybe they've. They've been given an offer like the revival for example you know the revival will get hired for good money for eighty w they don't want to be there. I mean the the the the the theory is like could they try to get union talks going. Ah get fired so they could go to a W. I don't think they'd be fired. Who knows don't think it's GonNa happen the phones during the year what's up. These people tried to call a radio show Lance. Usually I think I've called this show once before really eight four four four four eleven five for eleven is the phone number. Sasha's being paid her salary. What is the policy see for a person who just no shows their job analysts winter should I I. I really don't know I don't imagine she is if they tell her to come to working. She doesn't I think they would be able to not pay her so I I haven't talked to Sasha look paid her downside and they're probably adding adding time to the end of her contract because she she agreed contractual work for X. number of years and she's going to provide services to the company for X. number number of years so she goes home. It doesn't WanNA come to work. That time is being added to the end of a contract. I I presume that's what's going on here. Yeah I would assume assume if you like if they book you and you don't show up. You're breaching your contract. They wouldn't have to pay you wouldn't think and again they ain't gonNA fire you. You're it's not getting paid. It doesn't cost them anything and she's stuck until she comes back would be my guess. Per says Dave mentioned that the raw reunion did not sell out in in Tampa. Do you anticipate a soft market for wrestlemainia weakened tickets based on that. No I expect Wrestlemainia to sell out. Almost immediately could be wrong wrestlemainia. It's the menu weekend. It's like everybody goes. That's the big deal. It's like yeah. I think main is is is golden so I mean the the whole talk of reunion not selling out I mean Steve was there and they advertised forty five talents or whatever I mean who are the biggest names there Steve Austin Rick flair. Who'd you say Hulk Hogan Hulk Hogan Okay and then so really there were three big star's there because you know we see triple h all the time John Zena wasn't advertised. John was advertised Shawn Michaels. I mean it just feels to me like I don't know. Would you bought a ticket in financial. I think if I would've I would've bought it even if they weren't on it like either. WanNa go to raw wooden wooden Cheryl. If those difference makers would make Bhagat Save Yeah I. I don't think that would have been a difference maker to me because it's just okay they're going to be there. They're going to have promo and that'll be it. I made sure I tuned in on Monday on T._v. Because I wanted to see those promos but I don't know if I buy a ticket if it wasn't planning on going I mean the show did a little over. Three million viewers was the highest rated show in forever but I mean the days of four and a half million viewers five million viewers. I mean that didn't happen I just I don't know I think people are. I think people were expecting too much out of raw reunion. I think I think the U._S._A. Network was expecting adding too much out of it. I think W._B._Z.'s probably expecting too much out of it. I mean most of those names aren't going to move things one way or the other. I mean it was cool to see Steve Austin awesome back. He was like the highlight of the show thing. You did the cut that Promo was awesome but I don't know I just don't see that as like you know because Rau- reunion didn't sell out A._W._S. Not going to sell out which obviously W did sell out or because we brought reunion didn't do well like wrestlemanias not going to do well. I just don't see any of these things. I just don't see them as being like comparable. No I think it's a historic event and mania is talked about a year after year. After year is a monumental thing and you know. It's one of the things you need to know or do before you die of your W._b. Fan There's a book about it. You know Wrestlemainia. Weekend is one of those things and Bravo. Reunion isn't one of those things it was a fun raw but it was just a fun raw with some names names from the past. I enjoyed the show. The Promo is great but I don't think it's a monumental event. That will be talking about for five years. Spur near says is this forklift lift altering announcement basically either who drove the White Hummer Angle from W._w. Two thousand I sure hope not that was a dumb angle. I think it was actually before that wasn't it. Was it the year two thousand. We're in two thousand now we are but I think the White Hummer already happened right yeah yeah. Oh it's it might have been ninety nine that they did the White Hummer. I don't think they ever revealed who it was so maybe we'll finally find out shop is in charge of smackdown now. Yes yes is Carmen. Electra is GONNA. Shove Dr that forklift there you go. She's still around. I'm sure she still round anybody on triple mania. You expect to see in a w in in twenty nineteen. Welcome Books Cody's Kosei Cody. The young bucks the elite. Kenny Omega is going to be there like I said I mean they have a talent budget and I think I feel that they have already signed most everybody that they're going to sign line like there may be somebody else here there but I mean I don't see him. Announcing the signing of twenty twenty more people more people become available but I don't. I don't necessarily surly think I mean. They've got a working relationship so if you're asking like who do you think of this working relationship might work some A._W._S. Shows and in <hes> two thousand nineteen. I mean Louis Brothers Rateau Kid. I don't know Sammy Bar. Obviously I think that's the key to though it's like you know have your roster but then have you know bring a couple of guys in from o w e see for a six month program on television and then pinch a couple of guys from your AAA relationship and bringing Viking go in for a six-month program with someone. You don't want eighty people on your roster the to try to fit on your show every week. It gets hard to book so get your Core Group. Whatever it is and then you know brings you know if they get a relationship with say start or bring a couple of girls in for a six-month program with someone and then send them on their way. I think that keeps the show fresher. Did you watch any of triple mania <hes> just clip so. I don't know why I never thought about this before but Cain Velasquez former U._f._C. heavyweight champion. He's like a big Lucia Fan and longtime ago. We heard that Cain Velasquez first we I heard that he wanted to get into pro wrestling and kind of like he's a he's a big dude obviously but I mean when you think of fighters that might transition to professional wrestling like very low on the list is Cain Velasquez then we hear that he's going to wrestle at triple mania in it's like okay now. He's going to get a wrestling. He's GonNa get an A. Lucia like and be good at it and it's like the most baffling story of the year but then he does it and like there were so many things that were eye opening. I he was pretty good and the reality what he is. I mean some people I can explain this. He's obviously a great athlete okay and great athletes who watched pro wrestling for a long time. I feel like they transition earlier. Then obviously people who aren't great athletes were wrestling fans or people who are great athletes and never really watched wrestling and all they just talk minute trying pro wrestling. You know better than anybody lance so this guy like like he was pretty good in the ring and they put a man character now wears a mask. It's kind of like gray putting the mask back back on you know what I mean but then it was like it's a cool mask and the biggest issue with Cain Velasquez was always that he was so generic any wasn't a bombastic charismatic personality and so you put a mask on the guy fell son. It's it's like it's a cool looking mask. He's doing some cool stuff and I'm like dude. This guy may actually be a successful pro wrestler. When all is said and done sounds pretty impressive yeah I only saw a couple of clips and he did a Lucia arm drag thing off the ropes needed a flip into a jumping Rana and <hes> yeah. He looks like he's got a lot of athletic bill. You can tell he was having fun. Yeah and I think that's the big thing when you liked it as a kid. You understand understand what you're supposed to look like and be doing and he seemed to really enjoy it. <hes> you know getting through a six man. Match is not the same as being able to do a singles match but he looked with great. He looked like he was having fun. I ask you this question here. I had a guy that started up in Jujitsu probably a year ago and and he had zero background in anything. He was not a a wrestler when he was young he sees. I think it's twenty four now. She's twenty three when he started. He didn't do any amateur wrestling. He didn't do any martial arts. I think he did like marching band or something like that but he worked out a lot. You know he was in the gym all the time great shape and so he came in and he's just a completely letelier blank slate at now year later. This dude is great or like who who becomes the best fastest. Is there like a template. I think I think the biggest thing is A. I like a blank slate in. I hate hate so strong word but I find it frustrating when you get people that have done some training elsewhere because I find once they develop bad habits at so hard to break them but I I do find amateur. ESTA as a base is a good the thing because you don't sort of have to teach them body control as much. I think that would be my background that I would like the most but it's really hard. I've had a few students that didn't watch wrestling or weren't fans and it's really hard because they have no concept of what is even supposed to look like I had a guy that was like he played rugby or Australian rules football or something and I think he had a knee injury in his career ended in someone's all you should try wrestling and he had never watched it before and win win was they were doing some kind of spot and you know and it was just so obvious to everyone what should have came next and as Mike Dude if you never watched wrestling before he's like nope. 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GaryVee, Brian Lee, and Therap-y By Ryan Daniel Moran #TheOnePercent

Freedom Fast Lane with Ryan Daniel Moran

44:05 min | 2 years ago

GaryVee, Brian Lee, and Therap-y By Ryan Daniel Moran #TheOnePercent

"Hey podcast. This is a meaningless episode. This is me sitting in my hotel room. Recapping the last couple of weeks that I spent with Gary, Brian, Lee and doing therapy. This goes off the rails left. And right has a lot of meaningless rants and a lot of deep thoughts about life. So you shouldn't listen to this episode, but you're going to anyway. Enjoy it takes one free person to create change. This this show for them. We are the creators of the free world. This is capitalism dot com, and we are the one percents. There are two kinds of people in this world. There are members and members if you are enjoying this stuff you have got to join us inside the one percent one percent members get access to our courses on building businesses and investing the prophets. They get access to experts who are bringing in lessons on a regular basis. Some of the best in the world and they're joining regular calls with myself or members of my team to keep the community growing. The one percent is a community of entrepreneurs who are actively building businesses and investing the prophets and every month, you get a community newsletter to see what's going on in your community. And what the opportunities are to create the change that you want to see in your world. Join us at capitalism dot com slash the number one. That's capitalism dot com slash one. What's up podcast? Welcome to the show. Let's do show it Showtime the show this thing. Oh, first things. I hold on. Oh, yeah. I am cheating. I am cheating on Zeba as I drink. My new love which is called Virgils zero Virgils zero vanilla vanilla cream is what what Ryan's drinking today, I'm double fisting with a decaf coffee. You don't care. You don't care about any of that say, something smart Moran. I am recording this in a hotel in Redondo beach LA, a lot's going on a lot has happened the last few weeks, and I'm gonna tell you about it. The last five days each had. Business changing life changing direction changing events happen. I'm just coming back from dinner with bedrose cooling, founder of fit body. Boot camp keynote of the cap con of the captain the cap con would cap con, oh, you'll know what that references soon enough. I will now I have to tell you. I did a Trump impression at the end of cap Capcom endorsing cap Khan, and is going to be in an ad for Capcom. Anyway. But a lots going on in the last couple of weeks. I was in New York City to interview Gary vendor, Chuck and AJ banner, Chuck and see money got to sit down with deer for about half an hour over video stuff in audience building stuff. It's really interesting when you see behind the curtain of how people do things, and you don't somebody told me somebody told me how grant card known fills his events. Silly. It's silly. Oh, it's far less. Impressive. Once you realize how he does the has thirty thousand people event or something. Yeah. Yeah. They're not all real. Anyway. So I met with Gary an AJ. And you'll hear the whole podcast if you haven't already depending on when the things I'm saying right now air. And I'm starting to see a theme come up in my life as I court. My next opportunities speaking with AJ the enter Chuck about building brands around social media influencers. And even though I think social media influence is really overrated in our world and the internet marketing world because everybody's faking it, it's so pathetic. No, it's sad. It's sad. I'll talk more about that a second. But if you find really good ones that have engaged audiences. It's magic. Yeah. I think the social media influence or has the potential to really break out as a real celebrity. But as I spoke with Brian Lee and interviewed him, which I'll talk about more today. He said if you're if you're gonna partner with influencers, you've got to partner with the ones that have a chance to go. Mainstream don't go after the niche influencers. I'm all over the place today while we're four minutes in I'm already all over the place it's past my bedtime. It's eight minutes after ten so anyway, I was in New York with Gary and AJ and immediately after coming back from New York, we went into our quarterly meeting for the for capitals dot com. And I'm just pumped power. We're going. Were. I feel like I'm really starting to dial. In who I am and has a results contents just getting clearer in easier and more fun and. Nothing has changed. You know? It's funny as I've lost a lot of money in the last six months, I have invested in projects that didn't go. So well, I have had business initiatives not pan out capitals dot com, currently has a burn rate in a rather than a rather than profitability because we expanded the team so much not so much, but we spend we hired some expensive executives that I'm excited about but are expensive and. I feel good. It's funny. I. I am less rich than I was six months ago. I'm happier. Just because. Fill like a know myself better. We're talking about that too. Now after our quarterly retreat me went to see Madera friend JP Sears to some stand up in Austin, Texas. And then I took the redeye flight to LA where I had a three day will call it a therapeutic workshop. That sounds trendy therapeutic workshop. And. It was kind of part two of. Of the Lionheart series part run by my buddy, Ian Stanley and his business partner. Brent charleton. And it was good. We're gonna have Brent on the podcast here sometime sometime we already talked about it. But really what is going to go through. What I have been discovering about myself, and I have a journal out here because it took some notes while I was out here in LA an while. I was in New York, actually, let me that. Let's go through. My New York notes here. And while sidland Gary v while I was sitting with AJ certain taking some notes about what they said. And what was coming to me as a result of being around the bainer, Chuck's of the world. And. So number one. I realize how small I think can play and I really frustrated me because. I kinda brag about you know, it's fun to say, I built an eight figure company and sold. It it makes for good ads. But like who gets to kids? Fuck it's not that big a deal. I. Who cares? It doesn't really feel good. Do ads about how much money you make it just doesn't feel good? Because it's really not that big of a deal. And there's lots of people that do way cooler things in that. So that was number one. I realized how small I think a number two. Kind of clear how simple businesses it's getting leads. It's an it's selling things to those leads. And it's building all around the thing that makes you happy. It's amplification. It's businesses the way that you predictably carry out the things that you like to do. Or it's a money source which be a cashflow play. And business is really fun and easy. When it is simply the way that you game a fi what you want to do. I am starting to. Kind of open up. Seeing the world. Post ego. I'm starting to kind of see what happens when you play life without ego. And. You realize how much of the world is just operating in order to. Show something. Here's a fun story. I was I was at the bulletproof headquarters today, not the headquarters the bulletproof cafe in Santa Monica. And a couple of peop- I posted about it on on Instagram and a couple of people. So I was there and came over in and said sai-, you're here on Instagram and one is a hi I'm a big fan, you work that was really cool. Then a lot to me those those I love on that happens. And one person came over and sat down and just immediately started name-dropping everybody. They know our our with the Michael Jackson estate, and I advise this Royal family, and do you know, who's Gina who Barack Obama's? Yeah. I do is as he oh at time out like nine different business ventures that he has going on all the famous partners and. Two years ago. I would have been like wow, impress. I'm really impressed by you. At this time. I looked at him dead in the I said, my bullshit meters way high on you, and I think you're full of shit. I don't believe anything you're telling me for a second. A you can't be very good at any your skill sets. Because if you were you wouldn't have nine different businesses going on. And you're obviously extremely insecure because otherwise you wouldn't be sitting here trying to win my approval some some dick on the internet. It's at bulletproof you wouldn't be working so hard to get my approval. You wouldn't care. You just know what you got. You need to sit here and impress me, bro. Hang out. And why was here? In LA, like ego city of of egos center of the of the universe. And it's just so interesting to see. When people show up completely operating in the sense of needing to get something needing to. Eating to prove something needing to be something. I've struggled a bit of a friendship with Zachary Levi. He's should Zam in the new DC movie number one movie in America end. Zach is such a nice guy. And and. Very down to earth and knowing him. Outside of his acting career. I don't know Zach for his acting career, I know him through some mutual friends and because he lives in Austin and he wants to build an intentional community. That's how I know Zack Zack from the acting world. And because of that, I'm not, you know, I don't I don't get stars around him. Which is great. And and he's not he doesn't he doesn't flex his star star nests the fact that he's basically the hottest celebrity in America right now. And that's really cool. But watching him operate to the world while there's billboards up all around New York and LA both of which have seen in the last couple couple of weeks. My buddies from Austin is on all these billboards ever a driller on the world. Apparently, he's be big time and watching him opera through versus the dude on Instagram who's got a hundred thousand followers in things he's hot shit. Is this? You just start to see. Like when you've got it. You just confident that you got it. You got the goods. I'm just starting to see that the world. Differently. Now that I notice how many people are are just running around control by their ego, myself included old man that hurt sad in like saying that I am realizing how much my life has been ruined by ego. And I'm just thinking about that stuff. So let's get back on track here. So I fled to LA here to attend this three day. We'll call it three day therapeutic intensive with with Brent who will be on the podcast here at some point. And so not think about Brent all the time. Is I think Brent is very very good at what he does. And sometimes I think he reaches sometimes, I think he he makes assumptions that he. He. Hasn't hasn't earned yet? But I also know that if you are very empathetic, you sometimes just know things intuitively. Without them being necessarily rational by believe that I've experienced that. It's that gut feeling if you will. And I think Brent operates from his gut have heavy time big time. And. Let's to this. I'm just gonna read my journal entry after three days of. Therapeutic. I'm all over the place tonight, fast, leaners, forgive me. I've been doing therapy for about two years. I have done counseling in the past while going through difficult times. I did counseling when I was really depressed in my mid twenty s I did counseling when thought I was going to be a dad. I started therapy when Pam and I were navigating our relationship and deciding to raise Esther in two different homes, and then I continued on doing therapy from there. I've always been very very introspective and the more I go into the psyche and the human experience the more I realize how much there is behind the curtain. I shared a story once about an experience that I had on a very small amount of. Of. Substance that I took very small amount about falling asleep and having a bit of a. Experience or vision about seeing behind the curtain in my psyche. And if you if you didn't hear that episode, basically, I kind of had a of this if you will. Where I I kinda saw behinds. My the veil in our brain for the rich wheat from which we operate in see the world. And just kind of went on this adventure in my mind. Not going to be able to explain it Sharma time. It was basically like the movie inside out with a bunch of files that they find that are all kinds of thoughts and memories and stuff like that filed away in your brain and ever since then I have begun to to see in my sober reality. What? What how much there is baked into our brains, and how much were operating from the hurts and dramas and hopes an expectations that we had when we were three six nine twelve fifteen nineteen years old. We are completely being driven by the past. In most cases, basically, our experiences from the past in our fears of the future drive the majority of our decisions, and it's actually really sad. And so my work has been understanding in uncovering and pure sing that veil as I find out what has been really driving my decisions in my behaviors. Because I believe that doing so will provide an is providing freedom to operate to the world more freely. Which is why I am. Probably happier now and feel freer. Now, even though I am not crushing it in business as much as I would like to be even though I am not. I'm not at the point in my career. I want to be. This is also why I am fascinated with Gary vein, or Chuck is my opening words to him in our interview together was Gary have spent the last six to twelve months really diving into the mental health side of entrepreneurship, and I really believe like, you're you're very mentally healthy. Are you a freak? Or is there something else, we should know? And I think he is really operating from a very genuine place, and you watch when someone operates from a really genuine place how how fast their life takes off. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is kind of operating just from this fear based ago, ick tents low level fight or flight. And when you Pierce that. Real interesting stuff starts to happen. So I'm thinking more self aware than most people than most entrepreneurs for shar for sure. But I got taken through the ringer by Brent recently. And here's my journal entry from my three days spent with with this therapist. This is me reflecting on three days. The first thing that Brent pointed out to me is that boredom which is expressed by obsessive neuroticism is a shield for fear as soon as this was revealed to me my drive for consumption lessened greatly. And I began to relax into the present food seemed less distracting podcasts. Sounded gross. I didn't want to learn or read. I just started to relax into the present and pursue. What felt good and meaningful during one of the exercises. I drew out my family as I remembered it and Brent pointed out that my brother appears to be more seen in the picture than me and that correlates with me operating through life, not feeling understood. As a result. I feel unseen misunderstood less than lost within my own family. I discovered that one drawing. My family Esther was the only sign of brightness in my family map, which could be a concern because I may be putting too much pressure on her as a source of excitement and life. Brent pointed out that my masculine cues didn't come from my dad, which would explain why would desire feminine affection because I never got it when discussing roles within my family, I discovered that I play the role of computer and placate or which means that I operate in my head most of the time and afraid to say what I really think to areas that I need to work on at work. I play the role of family hero because that has been what's needed. Work. I created my own family threw work. I'll need a practice connection with my feelings and communicating them in order to escape these roles. Brent accused me of going into my head and not being present which pissed me off. He explains that I dated gather rather than relates as evidenced by how it communicate. I had no idea that I'd do this. But he is right. I'm explained more about that a second. I learned that from my family because certain members of my family ask data questions, which tried me insane. But that's how I know to express love. I had no idea that I was doing it and driving other people away. It explains why I feel unseen unexpressed because I don't express my true self that. I do not allow myself to be seen. I had no idea that I did this. We finished by plotting corrections. Which is a. Thing that part of Brent's philosophy. Discovering all this may be tired. And nauseous it also blunted my appetite and brought me into the present moment moving forward. I will practice expressing myself more in speaking about my needs and wants I also pay attention to when I go into my head and get out of it by practising, active listening. Lenny explain what all this means Adam moment, when I was sitting up a wrote about this on Instagram and emailed it till this though sitting with Dr Brent is will call him and. He basically was like, hey earth to Ryan are you here? And I was like what are you talk about douche right here. I'm paying attention to you. And I'm an I am like feeling my body. And he's like Ryan your in your head. And I don't think you realize how much that affects other people your whole energy changes. When you go into your head, soclean you talk about he's like, you aren't present. Because you instead. Data gather, and you judge the world through the data that you gather. And I'm like this guy does not know what he's talking about. And then he pointed out case to me. He's like when you were talking politics at lunch yesterday. You were asking everybody their opinion and not offering yours as yeah. I do that out of respect. If somebody doesn't ask me my opinion. I don't share he said, but Ryan you don't relate to other people. You don't share what is going on? You don't even ask permission to talk about politics. You just start asking people their opinion and in your head you have yours. So you're evaluating it against yours. And so people just feel judged and I was like, wait what? And I finally saw his point. That. I there's a part of me that I hold back a friend of mine compared to the boy behind the corner. There's a point in me that I hold back in my interactions with other people. Out of either protection, or I don't know. And without expressing that. I don't really connect with the other person. Because instead I'm just operating for my head, judging whatever it is going on. And I was like oh my goodness. I know I feel lonely sometimes it was like somebody. It was as big a realization as the you are enough episode. Recorded post burning man, it was as it was as big a realization of that. Because I can tell you. For example, when I even when I was at the last capitalism conference, I I never feel more like myself, and when I'm on stage, but. There. There's definitely some. That mean, there's something weird about, you know, having. I think my podcasts has been downloaded not quite ten million times. But it's approaching that and. To have that many people here you and then a few hundred of show up at your events five from all over the world to be at your event. A bunch of them bring gifts, you know, a lot of them have made millions of dollars because of advice that I gave them in for free. It's a wonderful feeling, but then come down off stage and end try to hang out with them. Sometimes it's difficult. I it's because because there's lot lots of cell fees in lots of conversations than it's all fine and great I love it. But it's also it it feels like pardon me has to go hide. And. I realized that it's not just like a cap con thing that I do that my interactions with friends, I do my interactions with women interactions in business that there's a part that kinda gets tucked away. I was having dinner with a friend. I said, hey. I feel like everything I tell you you judges. If it's useful or not. And I said, oh, I know what you're talking about. Let me powered on my computer. And then I powered down my computer and. I was like oh here. I am. I was in an Uber today and. Realize that I was really in my head. And so I just started to power all my computer. And I know that I'm powering down. When my body relaxes. And I actually I go into my center my belly. I can actually feel my energy. Go into my belly. And my whole body relaxes. So I just feel like I am starting to. Pierce the veil. Pierce the veil of how we operate in the world. And. It's really interesting. What's beyond it? Because all of a sudden. Things like social media followers are highly uninteresting. And. Money is just a representation of. Cool things that you can do and fame and status. Are just assets or things that happened. The don't really mean anything. It's it's. I don't know if I'm gonna be in that this like what I think is a healthy mental space all the time. But. While I'm here. It is interesting that few the world differently. I I really get that idea. That Jesus said to seek Ye first the kingdom. And all these things will be added unto you as well. Money and fame. Come when you find the inner kingdom. And I'm not claiming to be like enlightened. I'm not in lightened. I'm dude on the internet. But I really get now. That whole idea of when you pursue money at flees from you, and doesn't satisfy you were mostly pursuing ego. Ick things out of trauma. And business gets real good money and gets real good. When it simply is the amplifer -cation of the kingdom will does doing good things. Doing the things that you want to bring to the world rather than going out in pursuing the money. After my three day. Session. I interviewed Brian Lee for the podcast on me on that guy that guy just like makes me wanna be better. The guy has three billion dollar companies on his resume. And a nine figure business on his resume with Kim Kardashian. I mean, this guy is so cool and know Eklund all he's he's very humble. And. It's me man is maybe wanna be better as an entrepreneur. I oh, man. He's made me wanna. Think bigger and play harder and to cooler things. He special people. So spending time with Gary vein or Chuck shortly followed by. Brian Lee was like, you know, those are the two people that I wanna be when I grow up. And it was just. Mike, really? Really? I don't have the words. Enlightening? And tonight dinner with Bater Badri Q leeann. I we just talked about life. We talked about purpose, and we talked about. What really matters and. The more successful. I get more people that I'm meets the. Bigger. My following. The more. I realized that you just wanna be happy. We just wanna connect. We just wanna be proud of what we do. And the results don't matter that much. The things we think are important really aren't that important? They're more like things, we do or press other people. And the really like the fuck of it all. Is that when we pursue the things that are meaningful the things that aren't meaningful. Follow and a good way. Spent so many years stressing to go get the money. Stressing to go, get the followers. Stressing to go get the approval of that person networking my way into that room. And I am realizing now that the way to get all of those things. Was to. Do what is meaningful to me and everything else would open up, but I could never have discovered that if I hadn't gone through that ego, ick pursuit. I never would have. And I'm not sure if other people can't either. And so there's a sense of like, I don't want to discourage people from. Pursuing what they think they want that money and status and all these things. So I'll just be an example of what looks like on the other side while I continue to document my journey and personal growth and business at the same time. So that's going on for me. Also, the Indians are good. It seems best rotation in baseball. Maybe the best rotation adver. What? And right now, I feel like this is the least valuable podcast I've ever done. And actually pretty stoked about. So I want you to do me a favor and shooting a message on Instagram and say, I actually listened to that rambling rant that you posted on the podcasts just that. And also send you video. Thank you back. Okay. So. Takeaways from today. Seek Ye first the kingdom the kingdom isn't heaven. The kingdom is in religion. The kingdom is. Is in is peace. Kingdom is you know? Neil Strauss wrote the game. He also wrote the truth. He also wrote I believe he wrote Maryland Manson's autobiography and Jenna Jameson Zata Viagra Faye. And he has this quote that I just love from the game, which is about picking up girls where he says to win the game was to leave it. He met the one he wanted. So we got to leave the game and that was winning. And I have applied that principle. Other areas of life. You win the game when you decide to stop playing. How do you win the status game? When you say, I'm good. I don't need your approval. How do you win the money game? When you say I have enough. How do you win the social game by not caring about what other people think? And then the world just kinda comes to you. And you get direct it. And all the things that you are pursuing in the first place just. They become optional. So there's no tenseness run them. So you don't push them away. Crazy. Is just crazy. How can just open up as a result? It just opens up effortlessly. When you are willing to step back from the Bank St.. He go approach. I wish I could describe it in less spiritual terms. Forgive me. Folks, I grew up very religious. When you let go of the neediness of the things that you think will help you get somewhere. And you realize that that somewhere is just another moment in which you will carry all of your hurts fears hopes and disappointments. You realize that the things that take you to that place. Don't solve what it is. You're trying to solve. Many of us feel fear about our own destruction. And so we pursue money. So that we can build a wall around ourselves can have money in the Bank. We can have passive cash flow. We can have freedom I know because I pursued this for three years of my life. And. When you realize that when you have the money, and you have the income, and you have all the things. And you still will have. The fear that drove you to pursue that in the first place. You will still have the doubts. About yourself and about life that led you to to fix it in the first place when you still have that. You realize that on the other side of all those things that you think you want is just more experiences with you in your psyche. And so I made the decision to go in address a lot of that. And I'm a work in progress. I call us, I'm probably. I'm gonna say that approximately seventeen and a half percents. Clear if you will seventeen and a half percent. Ego free. And I still have eighty two and a half percent. And even that is like. Completely different way to view the world. Episode to get weird. So we're on a call it here. I promised to talk about business and money another time. And I think we're gonna be doing more long form podcasts here capitalism dot com. Pretty jazzed about what we got going on. So I hope you subscribe to the show, and I don't know how you found him. I work. I don't know. Why you listen to my work? I don't know if it's even valuable for you. 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"Southern colorado never stops neither do we. This is no co now presented by the shanin nation-states. Here's tanner swint back in the adult version special studios on this tuesday morning tuna find the time. Hopefully everybody found their way to work. And if you're just headed work well you're late and i hope that your boss doesn't fire you. I'm janice went ryan. Kelly doing production work back behind luckily for him that bulletproof glass joining now up on the hotline is the director of reporting for nine news. Kris van chris. How are we this morning. I'm good how are you. I'm doing really well doing really well. Chris let's get into this talk about this. This mask update That came down last week. Was something that you know. I kind of had a feeling that was they. Were gonna go this route making it now. Just a recommendation. Not a requirement. Funny how much weight those two words hold it. it's interesting. It does put businesses in sort of this awkward position because substances. You've already seen if you're about weekend last day we see. Some businesses are doing away with any mask requirement and then some businesses are saying. Yeah we still want you to wear masks inside. And so it's it's you know it's it's you know just like has been the way from the start of this there's there's always messaging confusion and there's some messaging confusion. There's plenty of people that felt like the cdc acted too quickly. And there's plenty of people that feel like the cdc should a while ago. So it's it's interesting to see a playoff heat is and and that was a little bit of frustration of mind that i talked about yesterday on the program is that we're fourteen months in our something something like that you would think that the messaging at least the messaging could be more clear and concise. But we can't seem to figure that out. Which clear is that if you pay attention to the public health community and i do have been for the last year. There's lots of really really smart people in the public health community but they don't always agree on everything and there's and that lends itself to this. Well we need to push further. We need to push last and you see that sort of play out and that's normal. That's actually that's actually healthy to have that push and pull but when you see it play out in terms of public policy standpoint. It becomes a little bit more difficult to digest. And that's certainly what's been happening. I wish they would be more cognizant of messaging before it gets thrown out there because once it's thrown out there. You can't sort of really back in talking with chris. Van director reporting four nine news and look. I guess. If you're going to take this mask mandate off at any point. Now's a pretty good time all the metrics heading in a good direction. Yeah what's interesting. Is that excuse me. Colorado is still elevated Colorado elevated compared to the rest of the country. We've been dropping slower and later than the rest of the states in the country. But i don't really. He's got a great explanation as to that i think there's theories about more varying activity. We're going lower. The news is good. Don't get me wrong but but there still. Is this idea that other states dropped quicker and and more timely than we did and so we still have elevated case count so we still have people that are getting sick we still have covert around and now it becomes an issue. I mean for me. I feel pretty good. But there's no guarantee i've been vaccinated. There's no guarantee. I'm not going to get it. But the chances of me getting code have gone way way down with me getting vaccinated and so now we're going to sort of the covert i think is going to circulate more quickly more easily in and non unvaccinated communities populations and it will be interesting to see how quickly it can spread in those going to be. I don't think we're gonna have huge climbs that we saw back in december for example. But we're still going to have it around. It's not we have this idea we get rid of the mandate that it's done it's over. We can finally live our lives. And i i am enjoying living my life. I was out about over the weekend. I i enjoy going into establishments where i don't have to wear masks. It's great but this idea that it's over is hogwash. it's still around. They're still generally six to eight people in colorado a day. Who are dying from it. So we have to get rid of this idea that it's over. It's over in large part for people who've been vaccinated but doesn't mean it's gone well and with the vaccine rate where it is. I believe Yesterday i believe it was yesterday the the total number of people vaccinated at least with their i was over. Fifty percent Chris are we still looking at possibly get reaching that seventy five percents vaccinated rate. I don't. I don't have a lot of optimism for that. I think it could happen But i think we can become fixated on a number and is that necessarily the case. I i mean the best advice for me is that i've heard from lots of smart people in work in this field is like if you if you've if you wanna protect yourself get a vaccine if you wanna protect people around you get a vaccine if you don't feel comfortable with it that's your choice and we're we're leaving it that for now but it's still an issue it's you know there's there's there's it's gonna pop every once in a while and communities and i still worry about people like my daughter. My daughter is eleven years old. She is right at that age. Where she if. You're one year older. She'd be able to get a vaccine. she's eleven she can't and so it's going to circulate and some child populations is great. News is right now. That kids don't tend to get terribly sick from this. But still gonna be around so one of the things that we've been monitoring as well and i promise we'll be done with cova talk here in just a moment but one of the things we've monitoring as well as win will is any of these vaccines get the full. Fda approval behind it his timeline for that really interesting question and this is not my wheelhouse asked that question myself and because i think it would give people this idea their. They're they're people are now pretty well versed in this idea that they're ua emergency use authorization from the fda a lot of acronyms here For the use of the vaccine and we did develop the vaccine on a shortened schedule. And i think people would feel better if it was technically fully approved by the fda. I think there's some. There's some hurdles that need to be done. I know there is pressure from the public health community to try to get the fda to approve it because we now have a huge pool of people that have been given the vaccine and so far so good in terms of there are some cases No vaccine is one hundred percent guarantee to be safe and effective but so far the data right now is really really good on the sexy these talking with chris van director of reporting four nine news. Chris let's talk about the story That you worked on for quite some time regarding the dmv and well. I think you may have just given people. Another reason to hate the dmv. Well as if they needed another right. Yeah so to review. The state has been selling dmv data to of entities for a number of years. And you may not like that. It may come as a surprise as some people listening that the dmv selling your data but there's a whole host of reasons. There are permissible under law. For states to sell down the issue is the here in colorado. There's essentially a data middleman. It's known as colorado in iraq years or nick colorado just nick and i see they buy a lot of data from the state and then in turn sell it to a lot of sub vendors and what the state now is trying to figure out is why our car warranty company Getting data information from it looks like the dmv because if they are getting from the dmv getting my personal information your personal information anyone's information it's not supposed to happen. It's technically illegal. That's that's that is illegal under the law and there could be some big problems with that and so the state last week announced. It's it's it's launched an investigation into just how in the world is this happening and just a quick recap. It's a bit of a complicated story but we. We bought a car from the station for a dollar. I've actually bought my photographers car for a dollar to enter my name and that car information that number into the states. Dmv system and week later. I got car warranty postcards and the reaction that i got from people around the state was really overwhelming. It seems as if a lot of people are getting these car warranty. Placards these postcards and they're wondering how does that happen particularly people who self finance they they pay cash. They don't what what the state's been able to say for years is that oh maybe it's dealer. That's selling the information. Maybe it's the bank. You bought that. You've got a car loan from that selling the information. It seems pretty clear. There's a lot of people that are self financing that are telling no one other in the dmv except for maybe their insurance company that they bought a car and then magically a week after. They registered with with cholera dmv. A postcard comes in the mail. It seems like there's a whole instead the state data and i. I'm glad we're trying to help expose. Yeah no there's no doubt that it was something that needed to be checked out. I think i mentioned as well. You know my buddy did the same thing he He bought his car and had had one of those postcards in the mail. almost almost instantly But my question is chris. And i think this is the most important question. We'd be selling the car back to your photographer or are you going to hold onto it. Pretty good man. I should have made a profit. Should made a deal. I bought it for a dollar from the station. But i agree. I agree to the front end. I would sell it back to the station. Technically the station now re owns the car set we saw. I sold bazzi. You if you ever need an agent chris to talk through these things. I got your back here. Maximum super bright. I could have made a hefty back. There's no doubt there's no doubt you definitely definitely lost money. There chris christie restrictive reporting for nine news Chris what else you have your eyes on around the state. I know that the big news re- really again was the The the cova requirements changing up. You know the Coors field now going to seventy percent capacity. What else are you look an ad from around the state on a sports fan. And so you know. I got to watch the avs. Last night. they win for two wives. And that's that's great It's good to see sports back. I mean we have. We had so many years in the state where we sort of suffered under under a professional sports teams Unless you were a football fan. And i love the broncos. Don't get me wrong but i. I was the nuggets. Since i was a we lab and i love the nuggets. I love the avalanche. It's fun to see that it's fun you know it's interesting. We always have this mentality when when when a teams in that first round playoffs like the city's not ready to sort of like celebrate yet so all the true fans are really into it right now but the question is do we get two. Can we get to the second round. Knock on wood. I'm doing that already. And and see what happens to the city. Could use a little jolt right now. It's been a long year and it'd be nice to see some more you know. Ducats and an avalanche sorta continuing and play in the playoffs as long as they can't that'll be entertaining as hell. And i really do like the colorado avalanche chances. I don't want to jinx anything. But i really do like their chances of this year. The nuggets now. That's just that's going to be an interesting one joe-marie out the disrespect of of of nicola yokich from even other stars in the league. Lebron james comes out and says that steph curry should be the mvp. That's the chip on their shoulder. And i'm going to be interesting to see how long that carries power it's tough. i think. The nuggets are in a tough spot. Because i think they've always needed you. You will always need a shooter in the playoffs that you can rely on when it's a close game and everyone knows they're going to get the ball and can you make the shot. At that moment. I think that might have always sort of make you know. Make legends out of players and we saw that last year with the nuggets. And hopefully there's there's somebody else's willing to step up beside yokich because it's you know he's already. He's having clearly i think he's the mvp of the season this year. And so it's it's a question of who else can sort of step up for the nuggets and it'll be interesting to see. That works out for composite was quickly turning into one of my favorite favorite players. I don't know why but just watching him. Run around a out of the court i love. He notice chris didn't bring up the colorado rockies once. I we still have a team. Yeah no i love the rockies to emma homer but it's it's tough like to watch them rockies on the road right now is just brutal. It's just. I think what they want to game so it is absolutely ugly. Kris van director reporting for nine news. Chris is there anything that you're working on. Here's your time to sell tease. What you got coming up. We're gonna investigation that. We talked about a lot but we have another story. That's going to be airing a week from yesterday on monday. Night in regards to are prone investigation. And i i. I've said this before. And i can't stress it enough that we're in the middle of states and and congress contemplating sort of fixes to sort of figure out what happened. Post george floyd and what can police departments do the state legislature constantly fixes. What i find fascinating is that There there's there's legislation in congress right now. It's called the george fluids justice and policing and yet the george floyd justice in policing act which has passed the house in sort of waiting. Some time on the senate does not prohibit. The one thing that killed george floyd which is prone restraint and it's a complex subject and it's it's it's a fascinating subject to me. Because i see this happen over and over again there was there was a death. It got some attention late last week in south carolina. It's getting more attention this week. It's getting some national attention another prone restraint death and so we're going to be analyzing that and also what's interesting is that We'll be reporting this. I don't think it's a big secret but the denver police department is Using our video and using our stories is now training for the denver police department and for all offices. I think that's great. It's this idea that knowledge of this thing being a thing that people actually can die while being held prone and underneath an officer while they're handcuffed That's i it's something that should be better known and if a more office than the more police officers that know about it i think the better off. They'll be because they won't have people die in their custody in these circumstances and then they will get sued and we'll be a horrible thing and allows these cases we found end up in very large settlements. And so yeah. It's so we'll be reporting that from A week from yesterday monday night. All right chris looking forward to it. Thank you so much for your time and jumping on and we will catch up with the next week. Thank you thanks kris van. Rie director of reporting for nine news. I want to say. Thanks to solutions in greeley nine seven zero two zero zero twenty seven fifty three for a limited time. Only four k of k listeners. Only get two hundred fifty dollars off inequality complete replacement system. The air conditioner will be needing to get kicked on here before too long. Caller solutions today at nine seven zero two zero zero twenty seven fifty three on the other side on the other side. Steve marina. Welcome to commissioner. Chairman joins us on noko now on north dakota's voice thirteen ten. Kfi game northern pella. Bottles voice is thirteen. Ten kfi k. Tanner will be back after the break here. Mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi k ten point six the time we're told you we've got some some talkers here in our number two. Thanks to our Our syrupy by vip guests. Chris vander veen. We're rolling right into this next. Vip guest as well. It is well county. Commissioner chairman steve marino commissioner. How are you this morning. Morale thank again for having me. Good morning one. Absolutely glad to have you on. It's been a minute since we've been able to to sit down and chat commissioner and as it does All the time. It seems like we get big changes almost every day. So just wanted to kind of up to you commissioner and talk a little bit about some of the things that are going on at the county level you know. There are a number things happening in the county has government doesn't stop there's always something happy one of the the big things you probably already heard it and i know we put a press release out that oil and gas emily between cj she owned gas conservation commission and well county and The point of mentioned this year is it. There was a lot of discussion in at work. They gotta she's going through this. Emily tenure at Started at last year. A lot of folks that were involved in this process here really Shoot shot up. Or kind attorney bruce. Barker and jason mackie and a former a mature kinloss and state senator barbara cook word here just working through this process to get to where we can find a point that we can streamline the process here in permitting for oil and gas as we all know that is a part of the economy that is important to this at this county and the state of colorado. There's no doubt about it commissioner. So what is this. What is really going to do. I mean he said it's a step in that way. But what is this memorandum of understanding. What does it really mean. What are the nuts and bolts of it. You know it's going to bring some Serbia as what are our belief is as emily. You here working with the sneaked and you know they. They Respecting the process that we put in place here without oil gas department and the ten forty one process and you know respect. The process that the responsibility of the state there You know above buck down into little certain snapped into Again you know the the the processing of these hopefully Our our belief is to be streamlined. Into bring a short certain to the process. Hopefully the permitting will be done in that About a timeframe about one hundred twenty days what were estimating well and so with that being said you know obviously the state legislature has had some negative impacts on the oil and gas industry and that might be putting it lightly But with that with would this memorandum in place. Does that help offset some of the things that we've seen from Coming down denver. We we'd like to believe them. So we're gonna find out here as we begin this process now and then. This was just mind this month. So Well fingers into Really believed that. We're hitting the right direction. Has there been any comment on this by any of the state leaders. Not that. I'm aware at this point. Here just to Again i think it was just a lot of delegates Got us his point from over a year ago. Absolutely talking with county. Commissioner chairman steve marino here about About this memorandum of understanding and. That's if anything else. I would have to imagine commissioner and and i would like to speak on this little bit that this this is at least said good faith type of thing showing the oil and gas industry that weld county is to do whatever it takes so hey hold on no i mean. Don't go anywhere we're here to fight for you actually and You know think he says that's there you know why because we have limited time. I wanna move onto one other thing. That's really important because we need a lot of comments from this board in this county being accused about spreading only oil and gas. And as you know ags very important and we're number one in the state of colorado that seven or eight in the nation but also another thing about the. What's here in this county. We're dealing with energy and we support all energy at kaneria supported so we supporter to win. in one of the big things. That's happened here. Is some co change. County code dealing with With sewer to again that. There's a lot of collaboration working with industry and And this county here. We the pro beginning of this processing late last year and trying to get it accomplished With a fee code reading the end of the year last year we put a halt to that and the i decided we needed to school this down a little bit. We heard Some strong opposition to this and we had some stakeholder means we started with a big then. We worked down to a small Working group and we've got to really get place now and we had our second reading a few weeks ago in the we'll have finery on this other so rko changed May twenty four th again it just shows county does listen. We collaborate and Work see what we can do to continue to address the house safety welfare of all the citizens of this county and that means working with everyone. What is his co. Change mean What what are the ramifications of it. Well again you know this move address a number of things where we are In the process of looking at the meetings of the small Sold artists through the medium sized to large scale. And what the acreage is any one of those and out addresses so these things will be identified. We really can have any process before Can or you know this is. This is new as you know. This is a an involving a thing that's happening throughout the nation that You know well christie's are very important. this was part of the The the process generate that metric talking with a weld county. Commissioner chair Steve marino here on no cow stephe. How're things bouncing back from what was really just a miserable year. All around and twenty twenty. I'm glad you mentioned that. Because what we're referring to his cope nineteen in the impact. What happened here and of one of the things there again. I think Moving in a good direction again here for this county again. We have Mentioned many times again that this forty sees it that it is a personal responsibility. And that's not that we've ignored this in any way shape or form here and things have been moving in a really good direction. It's good to see the federal government and the stinkier as a dentist To that point there. The governor made that The comments meet cheer about Some of these things are coming out. His recommendation share not really gonna come down to responsibility. But leading into the coke here with the vaccine and all those folks wondering what what the county's been. Don't leave them. Working with the department of public health and environment with our health department. Didn't where all the medical fields here whether it's sunrise or you see how three s emc and a number of the places that You know whether it's walgreen. Whatever getting these vaccine chair in the county so they can continue the process and he worked with the water these folks but we also had a contract signed with the a a contract with the state shares. Have some drive drive up Vaccines here like were building is operating where we Twelve fifty eighth street It opens up eight. Three to six ten pm on tuesdays and thursdays and fridays. Twelve thirty four thirty pm on wednesdays. And i say on saturdays. Eight thirty to twelve thirty pm but there's also mobile vaccination clinic set rapper. Kanye one you can flat bill and way eighteenth today versa. The parking lot on thursday street in mountain avenue ten am to four pm. Pfizer and johnson and johnson and then on may twenty first album bricks. Dale there will be one zero high school by fifteen in st kinney four pm. That'll be fighter. Johnson and johnson all right commissioner. Well it sounds like a lot of different places that you can go and kit that vaccine and and It is it's a good thing to hear that The the county residents have access to it. Commissioner steve marino. Is there anything else that you wanted to touch on real quick commissioner israel much information can we can't get that done in this short gird with your interview here today but i really asked if you can go to our web page at w. w. w. dot gov dot com. You can find all the information on all the departments. what's happening we also have facebook live lice a month about fifteen minutes before the commission. And that's on the rotating basis commissioner james. And you were On facebook live this past tuesday and those are at record a single back and take a the information. Won't there again go to our webpage and there's a lot more information what's happening here the commissioner. I appreciate your time as always. It's always great to catch up with you and and thanks for. Thanks for all the information he got out there. Appreciate it or thank you for your time and Use well thanks as well county. Commissioner chair steve reno ten thirty six time we need to get out kris. What editor publisher biz west magazine calvin app. Let's get to the bottom of the hour news weather center. What's happening in your own backyard. Listen to no co- now with tanner's swint a northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k given the out of collusion specialist studios ten. Forty one time i told you. We have some talkers. Thanks to steve marino for joining us. Let's jump straight into our next year. P. four by four. Vip guests did is. Chris would editor and publisher with biz. West magazine chris. Let's get into the The census is out and estimates are in for the for the counties around colorado. What did we learn. Well yeah this is to be clear. This is not the new census. This is estimates based on the twenty ten census every year. The census bureau Issues new estimates for counties as well as municipalities Based on the twenty ten cents and they look at a lot of different factors like tax returns and medicare enrollment other other federal data sources So these are estimates for Last year july first of twenty twenty and we will likely have a new numbers Later in the year based on the new census that was just completed but We saw continued growth as we all as we all t anecdotally around. The region continued growth in the boulder valley and northern colorado. But well county really stand out In terms of the growth rate Lamoure county remains the largest in our region. It's up to about three hundred. Sixty thousand residents weld county is closing in about three hundred. Thirty four thousand and Boulder county at three twenty seven broomfield at about seventy two thousand That's our four county Coverage area but Well county grew far. Faster tanner than the other counties. If you looked at the growth From july one that twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty twenty well. County added almost ninety three hundred residents in that one year and that is compared to a combined. Six thousand for boulder broomfield larimer county so well county outdid. All of the other three counties in our area combined so Very very solid growth For four well. County people moving in from Out of state but also from within colorado moving into weld county. One of the reasons for that chris. Well i think The the housing prices is a big one. There's a lot of land of course in weld county housing prices as we've discussed or more much more affordable in weld county than they are in In the denver metro area and other parts of the front range. So i think that is One big driver The thing that we we learned yesterday that International immigration into internet for migration into the area it's slowed dramatically from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty with some of the immigration restrictions. The lower The lower numbers that were pushed by the the former administration But well county did not decline in that as much as the other counties so Well county was down in terms of its migration in migration compared international migration compared to the prior year But not as down Not as far down as a liberal county or some of the other surrounding counties so But i think the key thing is is how crisis i think. There's still much more affordable in weld county whether southwest weld and the Frederick firestone kono eerie but also really So we're we're seeing a lot of a lot of people still moving into the area. Talking with editor publisher of biz west magazine. Chris would here on this tuesday morning. Chris the courier in in downtown greeley as sold. That's right this is a Bed and breakfast located at twelve. Twenty one nine th avenue and has recently sold For eight hundred seventy five thousand dollars. This was originally built as the if you remember back years to sod buster in but This is all it's been on the market for Quite a while. But it just sold now and the The broker with a real commercial real estate Gay jobs dafa and Handle the transaction. He says really. The sale is perfect. timing with the pandemic restrictions. Loosening up people are more willing to participate in person. Events and demand for rooms is slowly creeping back up so The new owners are it's mark Stephen romero of steve romero investments out of michigan He bought the property from derek. Nabel bolton and bolton llc that's That deals just Recently closed that of course as a ten person a ten room bed and breakfast about seventy three hundred square feet. Right in the heart of downtown. Well that's couple Couple of weeks in a row downtown greeley has been in our conversation Any more news on the possibility of that grocery store moving in nothing yet. We are continuing to track that And a and we'll we'll let you know as soon as we find out what might be happening. There we're talking with. Chris would editor and publisher of biz west magazine and Finally here chris. Let's talk about. We talked a little bit about this tesla facility in loveland but gets more date set. Yeah so a commercial. Real estate manager out of miami has acquired. What was he davidson. Gephardt chevrolet dealership in central one Late last week for more than ten million dollars ten point four four million dollars and that site is earmarked for a maintenance facility. for tesla So very very interesting operation there. Of course tesla added Facility in superior A year or two ago they formerly years ago had a showroom actually right West of the pearl street mall that eventually closed. But this american the second tesla facility that will becoming to the region This one is slated to open in july so We'll we'll see a lot of activity there that former davidson gebhardt chevrolet dealership in loveland as it transitions to a tesla maintenance facility. All right chris well appreciate your insight as always. What do you got coming up. working on. we are in the final week Getting ready for our mercury one hundred Almost in the final week here that event will be virtual event next thursday so We'll be really an unveiling the rankings for the fastest growing private companies in northern colorado. So looking forward to that. It's going to be a blast talking about chris. Appreciate your time as always and forward to catching up with you next week. All right good. Thank you thanks. That is Chris would editor publisher of biz west magazine. Hey was just talking about this The shine shop in greeley. I was there on saturday for a remote and some of the best spirits. The you're gonna find there in in greeley it's right on west tenth here you'd shoot shootdown shoot down west tenth end and go inside and you don't see a lot of distilleries that have that like a family atmosphere type of vibe. Why met the entire family while i was there and it's got that family atmosphere in there. Check it out. Let them know you heard about them right here on. Kfi k a ten forty eight. The time. I don't know if i'm going to ready for this but we're going to do it bryan. Gary could join me here for the last. I've been on the other side. It's no go now presented by the jeanine agencies in northern colorado voice. Thirteen ten kfi. It's party northern colorado's force. Thirteen ten kfi k. A block party wednesdays from four to ten pm the goods especially at studios. I'm really happy to be joined by brian. gary. Brian how are you. I am absolutely fabulous. And i have been chomping at the bit as i've been sitting in this video with ryan watching you do the show and i don't know how hard it is. The view noah hardest to see a microphone and not grab it right so i wanted to dive through the window here but seriously thanks for having me. Poppy and no. I'm really excited about it. You're going to be filling in thursday and friday for me and getting back in front of the mike for northern colorado. Of course brian Blessed the airwaves and bless the people of northern colorado for. Who's at thirty some odd years. Yeah it was. It was thirty seven years until the ownership decided. I wasn't that much of a blessing. So that's what we do. That's what we call a matter of opinion. That's what we call a matter of opinion the no it is. It is really going to be a kick to come in here and destroy your show for a couple of days. You've worked really hard to build this up over the last year and to think that for two days i can come in and completely destroy. It is really a joy for me. I see the joy on your face to come back. So what's it gonna be. I'm a little confused. You're gonna tear it down or then earlier. You said i was toast you coming from a job. Well yeah. I tear rebuilt the way i want it. I've got plans. Are you going to fort worth going to texas. You're not going to plug in an extension court here in colorado and bringing the way their city of power. When you get there i might have to. I might have and so there's this there's this curse on me Brandini to talk to you about please do every time i go to leave for vacation. Something bad happens so this started right. When i graduated college was planning to go to san diego and all of a sudden We have one hell of a snowstorm. I can't my flight gets canceled. We don't go then. We come around Last year my brother. And i headed down arizona and We had We had a a friend of mine that was battling cancer at the time well Covert hits and we don't know anything about it at this point so we say no no no. We're not going to go then. I was supposed to be for zone again a couple well. Two months ago and had a family emergency that had to stick around for that too so northern colorado knock on wood. Something could very well happen in the next twelve hours before i leave. Oh i'm nervous about it. So we we need to break this curse and i need to find a way to out but dallas i have heard has flash flooding right now which is where i'm flying into. So maybe that's what's going to happen. Maybe that'll be. The curse is going to get a flash flood the curse. Is there waiting for you to retrieve it right. Yeah that's what happens. I know you want an award for this show. And so forth. And tanner when you make a deal with the devil is payback kind of what it. There's a lot of that people can really fathom that. I actually won an award the for this. I think i had a lot of people think made it can make a couple of deals. Well it's funny. You win an award. You wear a suit to work. I mean come on. I just i on the air. I never did that. I had to look good for you. Brian. that's all the died my beard. That's what everyone does when people look and go that graded her guys amazing such dark beer. Yeah cool was youth so this is a little segment. I like to call the headline the cat my i. I go and surf the web and finally craziest stories. I can out there. Brian and this is a fun. So ryan let's get to the headline the cat my now what i what i picked this one. I didn't know it was going to be brian that i was talking about but Passenger snorts white powder refuses to wear masks enforces flight. Divers to minneapolis airport so we had one hell of a trip. So your point. It's probably not a good idea to snore anything on an airplane or whatever this article says but an airline passenger is reportedly facing serious charges after he was spotted. Snorting a white substance on a flight Brian explain what that is refused to wear a mask enacted aggressively towards other passengers and crew members. I wonder just wonder if that white powder the white substance had anything to do with his aggressiveness. Oh i think it's entirely possible. And i think we all know what it was when i was a kid. We would take those pixie sticks. Would put them out and pretend you're a rockstar named them. And i think in that was the side effect. Was that big wrestling overload. Oh absolutely that's all it is to just needs an insulin shot and everything will be okay. Don't mess with an angry diabetic domeisen than anger diabetic. And one this earned. Oh good luck northern colorado. Good luck for the next couple of days grind. Gary gonna be filling. Brian in all seriousness. Very excited to have you back on the mike. Thanks for covering for me. Thursday and friday. You can catch brian. Hey mike condemn morris tomorrow for me. I will be back with you on tuesday on tuesday. I'll be back. Clark johnson information. Monday live on remote for the greeley country club for ryan kelly for brian. Gary coming up on thursday. I'm tanner schwinn. Everybody stay safe. Stay healthy. I'll talk to you next tuesday. This has been no co now on northern carlos. Voice thirteen ten kfi say.

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New Head Coaches & Quarterback Questions

The Adam Schefter Podcast

50:50 min | 6 months ago

New Head Coaches & Quarterback Questions

"Look back to another episode of the adam schefter. Podcast the post conference championship game. Pre super bowl fifty five podcast on which to a we will have the new head coach of the los angeles chargers brandon staley as he talks about his new job and the responsibilities that come along with it and then we'll be joined by. Espn nfl reporter. Kimberly martin the whole host of the new podcast. I take her. Take along with charlie arnold and chennai a mckay. Kimberly will be with us to break down her experiences covering the nfl. The season previewing super bowl fifty five and we'll hear her thoughts on a variety of topics. But i think the biggest topic of the week is the uncertainty right now at the quarterback position that looms over the nfl. This upcoming off season and on monday. I posted on instagram twitter. Facebook a box. That listed some of the quarterbacks whose futures are in question for this offseason. And what i would say is. We've never gone into an off season where there will be more quarterback movement with more big-name quarterbacks than in any other season in nfl history. It is remarkable to think how many quarterbacks could change teams. And i think the simplest way to do it before we list. Some of those names is to think. How many teams have their opening day. Starting quarterback locked in for the twenty twenty one season when you think about. How many teams can you say. You know the starting quarterback for next year. Think about that for a moment. We've got josh allen in buffalo baker mayfield in cleveland. Joe burrow if he's healthy enough to get back from his knee injury and cincinnati. Lamar jackson in baltimore. Ryan tannehill in tennessee. Justin herbert in los angeles patrick mahomes in kansas city. Tom brady and tampa kyla murray in arizona. Russell wilson seattle. That'd be an that would be ten right there. Give me another quarterback beyond those ten that you can say beyond. A shadow of doubt will be his team starting quarterback on opening day. And maybe you could say daniel jones in new york and maybe you could say dak prescott and dallas though dak. Prescott is a free agent. But there are so many quarterbacks with question marks about their future. Just think about the list. The shawn watson aaron rodgers who. We don't know what he was saying after that game but he was trying to deliver some sort of message to the green bay packers. Matthew stafford gonna be traded that prescott. We mentioned free agent. Sam darnold prime candidate to be traded carson wentz candidates to be traded if the eagles can get enough in return jared goff so something's going with him at the end of the year jimmy garoppolo maybe the night or stick with them. Maybe they don't cam. Newton free-agent teddy bridgewater thin carolina's looking mitchell trubisky free agent james winston free agent. I'm fitzpatrick free agent. Alex smith might retire. Ben rothlisberger talked about retiring. Think he'll be back though. No it'll be back. We've got some frisian quarterbacks. Andy dalton tyrod taylor jacoby percent. When has there ever been an off season like this one where there are more quarterback questions and that doesn't factor in jacksonville taking trevor lawrence. Zack wilson from byu. Going somewhere justin fields from ohio state. Going somewhere freelance from north dakota state going somewhere. They're going to get some jobs with a real chance to start on opening day and so the quarterback movement this year is going to be off the charts. And i will say this in my job as a reporter. The idea of all these quarterbacks in the position that they are. I already feel the weight on my shoulders now and know that the off season is going to be crazier than the regular season. Alright before again. Today's episode i. I want to tell everyone to make sure your staying up to date with all things you have see by downloading subscribing to dc in hawaii hosted by daniel cormier and rl. Awani find key in hawaii as well as the adam. Schefter podcast on apple spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. And now the head coach. The new head coach of the los angeles chargers brandon staley. How brandon i'm doing. Well how about you. Thank you for taking it What a trip to four. I don't think we've ever spoken before. Is that correct. I think that's correct that. I'm i feel like i have though because i've been following following you all these years but i think this is the first time in person and i've been following you as well. I remember being at the super bowl. Sean mcvay last january and he was raving to me about this new up start young defensive coordinator that he just hired him. What a difference he was gonna make for the rams defense and sure enough a year later you wind up the head coach of the los angeles chargers. And i'm just curious what it's like for you brandon to be hired as a head coach at the age of thirty eight. How does somebody go from perry ohio to the head coach of the chargers at the age of thirty eight. Yeah adam I think dreams come true. I think they come true when when you work at it and you do things the right way. I think when i was a little kid growing up you know i started drinking coffee in the first grade and reading the sports page because i wanted to be like my dad had great parents who are my heroes My mom was a teacher. My dad was a coach and You know. I grew up trying to be like them. You know and i i loved competition. I love sports. And you know. I felt like my future. That coaching was something that was just meant for me. And i've really been just working at my game ever since then. You know for as long as i can remember if you talked to anybody. You know my family or friends. They would tell you that you know. I've been on a mission to get here you know and For it to be able to come true it's such an indescribable feeling but one that I'm so thankful for. How does what you dreamed of compared to the reality of it so far. I know it's only about a week or so. But how does that compare. What adam i think. That's what i'm really excited about. I told my wife that almost every night this week is just that just feels so good. It feels natural. Feels like this is where i'm supposed to be And i think that you know there's so much to do every day as the head coach But there was so much to do every day as defensive coordinator you know and i feel like You know just. I love this league. I love this. You know opportunity and you know. I'm just so excited to get started and You know see what can go here in la. And then i read the transcript from your press conference with the chargers and as always reading it i was more riveted to be honest with you and takes your pr guy. Josh and i said wow that's impressive and the one thing that i loved that part that you worked as an aggie clark for a newspaper. Is that what you did for newspaper. Can you referenced reading the sports pages so you and i had some sort of law of newspapers in sports growing up. Whatever you do for a newspaper while sports clerk at my high school tight. End dan murphy. He's actually the pr guy for the cleveland browns. Now murphy's worked for them for a long time his dad. Jim was the sports editor at the the news herald. It's a suburban newspaper out. How cleveland and so You know i got a job. There's a sports clerk. And i was taking scores and you know Putting in stuff on the computer and you know helping the guys late at night you know with the agate and stuff like that and you know just you know anything. I could do to be around the game. You know. that's that's where my heart was and You know being a sports writer. You know somebody. You know a sports commentator. That was also something that i felt like if sports workout that i could do but You know it was an awesome job. I was around some awesome writers. And you know just. That's what i grew up doing. Adam my mom. She was an english teacher reading teacher. So you know we we had. Espn the magazine. Sporting news. sports illustrated he had the the cleveland. Plain dealer the news herald. You know we were reading a bunch of stuff so it That's kind of where my love of sports all began is reading about it so much. Do you know that. I would study every writer in college. I would write to writers seeking advice. I i had computer files of favourite phrases from articles. I would. i mean that. That's how basically i started out. I'm curious to know how you went from that loving writing working at a newspaper loving sports leader from your mom and your dad to going into coaching. How does that happen. I you know. My dad was a coach and i think i you know. He's a coach. That i just have learned so much from. He's one of the best leaders that i've ever been around. He's just a brilliant communicator. Always had the pulse of his team. He knew the parents he knew. The players You know just had a really strong sense of of how to lead. And how to coach. And i just saw that up up up close and personal the impact. He had on people and i just felt like that was something that i could do. You know someday and You know. I think you know when you grow up that way watching your mom and dad affect other people in such a way It can't help shape you and Hopefully i'm making both both of them proud. I'm sure that's the case but brand when you're working for the newspaper is there any party. Wants to grow up and become a writer reporter or do you want to go into coaching. Yeah i mean. I think that you know life's all about trying to create as many options for yourself as possible so i felt like you know depending on where sports goes and how far you take it you know you always have something to fall back on and i felt like you know just from an education standpoint. That's where my heart kinda is you know writing writing. You know politics economics you know current events stuff like that and so that's kind of where i was you know headed. I think if i didn't you know get involved with with the game you know and so i felt like it really made me more. Well rounded more more balanced. And you know i i absolutely loved that experience and being able to talk about it. The last week It's pretty smile to my face because It certainly was a was a cool thing for a young kid because all the reporters love to hear about it. And i don't know if other people are by it but i find it to be fascinating. It's because it's the path that i followed but along that path as you're going along when do you know or when did you get the sense that i can do this. Coaching thing and i'm gonna do this. Coaching thing and i'm gonna make it. When did you know that. I had since i could do it after You know when. I went to junior college adam you know. I was a young defensive coordinator twenty six in the middle of nowhere and kansas. And you know you're coaching all freshmen. And sophomores guys with a lotta difficult backgrounds and you know i was able to be there with my wife. We were young couple figuring it out. And i think leading that group of guys you know. We had a bunch of nfl guys on that team. Cordeiro patterson mark golden devante campbell We were really good. And i think just being able to see the impact that i was able to have on on those guys in the success that we had. I think you know. I was like hey you know i can. I can really do this at a high level. You know and I think you know. Sometimes it doesn't make sense to the outside world. Adam like this past that i've done on. They're like well. You've only been in the nfl for four years. But that's just not the way that i've approached it like. I felt like i was coaching in the nfl junior college. I felt like i was coaching in the nfl. John carroll and all these places that no one's probably ever heard of and i was working at my game. I was having a chance to really grow and improve. Figure it out and you know but after that experience in junior college. I felt like i really had a strong sense. I could take a long way while you were there. Going through those places dig. You aspire to be in the nfl where you just aspired to be a great coach and let it go where it went. I was trying like crazy every year to to get an opportunity in the nfl. And i i knew a lot of people. I knew i knew enough people in the nfl. That i had access to it. You know in every year you know you you you. You're thinking this might be the year and it didn't you know may it didn't happen. You know but then you just you keep going and you keep learning you. You'd go study and You know just kind of stay alive and then do your job well. We're where you're at. And that's what i tried to do and I think it paid off. You know because all that investment in my game and you know all the the success that we were able to have where i was you know it kinda led to you. Know earning an opportunity in the nfl. Get a lot of questions about how you advance in the field of reporting or tv or newspapers or media. Whatever it may be. And i'm sure there are a lot of people wanna go coach in the nfl. And there are a lot of people who coached at the places that you did like hutchinson tennessee john carroll and james madison before you make your right to the nfl. What advice would you give to those people. What i like to tell people. Also you're going to give this advice about coaching going to info. But i'll bet you it's applicable to somebody in finance or science or whatever industry it is right like it's usually the same but what would you tell people who wanna go coach in the nfl about how they should approach brandon. Yeah you know. I think I think this atom one thing. I've tried to do study a lot. You know a lot of the things that you've talked about Great book i read When breath becomes there. I don't know if you've read that Yet but it's you know it's about a neurosurgeon right. And i love this book for a lot of reasons being a former cancer patient. Whatever but like a neurosurgeon like the type of skill set. You have to have to be a neurosurgeon. The type of command not over just like you know the the scientific part of it you know just you know the leading a group of people and and and the relationships with patients and just you have this really diverse skill set and i think that's what the nfl is. You have to have like a really really complete game to be good at it so I've just tried to learn as much as i can about becoming a coach Not only the xs and the os or the game offense defense and kicking game the situational part of the game that analytics sports performance. You know psychology behavioral economics decision. Making all that stuff that plays such a big component. And you know there's just so much that is required of you to be good in this league would no matter what your role is. Whether you're a coach player you know someone like yourself in the media. And that's what i've tried to do. My whole life is really you know. Try to improve my game where you know i could you know hopefully get to the point where i'm at now and and now they're still so much work to do you know like i know that i'm just at the beginning. There's so much more that i need to improve. You know in order for me to be as good as i can be for our team. You know so i would say that it's just that investment in your game your craft and really porn into it Because that's the only way you're gonna take it as far as you can take. It is to really you know. Sharpen your skills. See that i knew it was going to be applicable because when i went to denver in nineteen ninety as a cub reporter for the rocky mountain news on the weekends after a couple of years. I volunteered to work for the tv station. Not having any idea or aspirations to go into television. And i would do. Radio shows just for the fun of it and little. Did i know that all those tv spots and all those radio appearances were contributing to honing the skills that i will use later in life even though i wasn't thinking of doing it at that point time and then all of a sudden it all came together because i've been doing a lotta different things in the media and all kind of happen. I was preparing myself without even knowing it. And what you're saying. Is you intentionally. Try to acquire as many schools as you can do as many things you can give yourself the opportunity for more opportunities right. I mean that's basically it that that's it you know you gotta be willing to. You have to be willing to fail some and be disappointed some and you know. There's there's so much happens along the way. That doesn't go your way. But i think that that's part of it too is that you know you gotta have the will you know that competitive in you know endurance the stamina to be able to keep going you know and and knowing that even if you have the disappointment a setback that you're still one step closer to where y'all wanna go and That's certainly how i've approached things now. You broke cancer diagnosis. And for those. Who don't know you were diagnosed. At the age of twenty four with hodgkin's lymphoma you've been cancer free now for over a decade. What was it like at the age of twenty four to find out that you had cancer. Well i can tell you that it. It probably was less of a shock. Just because i team both of my parents go through it so i was still a young man And i felt like it was a great chance for me to be able to compete. And you know for me to you know for for the cancer to bring out the best in me you know and i knew that i knew that i could do it. I wasn't you know afraid. I wasn't scared. I you know. I felt like you know i had what it took you know and maybe i was naive. A little bit Maybe that was bold. That's just that was my thought process. I'm not going down like this. You know and i had great. Great support ahead awesome doctors at university hospital in cleveland Awesome nurses deb. Woo like this amazing nurse. I had she. She took care of me. And my mom my you know my dad and my brothers and all my friends you know i just felt like i had the right support system to get through it and you know and i did you know i was able to get to the other side of it and It's one of those experiences that it's always going to be with you. It's right next to me every single day But i'm so thankful for it because i think that it it drove me You know to the point where i am now. What did you learn from that brandon. But you gotta you gotta have a lot of faith in yourself. A lot of confidence you know. Belief is is most of what a cancer journey is about. You know people talk about you. Know faith hope and love you know that certainly you know at the heart of like the breast cancer movement with my mom is just stayed pope and love. And i think that you gotta have that You gotta have faith in yourself. You gotta have hope And you gotta have a lot of love you know and i think you know that's what that's what kind of you. I think that experience taught me. Is that you know you got to surround yourself with people that can help you become the best version of yourself and i've tried to do that intentionally in my life and also tried to you know be able to lead by example. 'cause you know when you're going through a cancer journey you're actually affecting more people than you think because there's a lot of people looking at you and so You know i look back on that experience and and now the you know being on the other side of it you know the platform that you can have for other people It's really amazing. And it's one that i take really seriously. Do you still have that. Will that platform now continue to exist. Be louder than ever before the chance to reach even more people than you did previously. Yeah i hope so. you know. that's something my wife time. My family were cited about. Is that now that you have access to more more people hopefully You know you can connect in an even bigger way and so That's definitely a responsibility or ability. Like i said. I'd take so seriously and You know i'm excited to kind of use this opportunity To be able to share my story and hopefully help a lot more people when you're on the sidelines for the first game in twenty twenty one. Your first game isn't nfl head coach. Will your parents be there. Will nurse dead woobie there. Will you bring out some of these people who helped you get to this point today brandon. Well if they're not there at the game Though they'll definitely be there in spirit you know. I think that's the that's the main thing is that you know i'm an example of you. Know i represent all the people that helped me get there you know. I think that's what's so special about it. Is that all the people that have helped me get year. We'll be sharing in that moment. And i hope that it's one that they can be really proud of. And what are your thoughts on taking over a team. That has a quarterback you a chance to coach with now for the next fifteen years. How much of an attraction was that you know. Certainly at the top of the list. Adam you know i think certainly at the top of the list. I think any time you can start a journey with a young player. That's always something really special the fact that justin's at the beginning i think is a unique opportunity. It's not often. You get the chance with a special quarterback at the beginning of his journey. And that's what i'm looking forward to. Is you know learning about him. And he's got such a great had shoulders besides all the obvious physical gifts that everyone's aware of he's just comes from a really good family has a really good head on his shoulders. You know talk to a lot of the players this week. I've reached out to almost all. I'm still trying but you see the way that you should hear the way they talk about him. And the respect that he's earned in one year It's amazing i'm talking. We're veteran players. Guys that have played a decade in the nfl And it's not because of how good he is. It's because of how good of a person he is. And that is what's really special and i'm really excited to team up with a guy rather i've got a ladder relationships with people who are in your building who no longer are and the one unanimous thread that ran through their comments was they're not high praise. Incredible off the charts. Praise for justin. Herber your quarterback. I would venture to tell you as good as joe. Burrow was in his rookie year and as much as similar as other players stood out. They were redoing the draft at twenty twenty draft right now that justin herbert will be the first overall pick. That's how i think he showed. That's the comments and feedback. That i got and that same president. You've gone from all the players about him veterans. I've heard that and what i've seen it. I got it from too great sources. My left i am i right. I watched that that that the sources of very reliable. Okay that guy. He's he's a stud. I like the way you said that. I think you know the the left and right i i love that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna steal that from you. Okay for sure. I'm gonna copy write it though all copyright it But i think the you know the players. They're the ones that matter. You know when when you know the thing about. Nfl players they keep it real now so you know just the the unanimous. I think Feeling towards him as just Is really really special. And you know like i said we're at the beginning and there's so much there's just so far that he can take this and that's what we are still looking forward to. You got a superstar and offense. And you've got a superstar on defense enduring james if you can figure out a way to just keep them healthy. Because i think he's got that kind of ability to where he would be the best player on your team if you could just keep him healthy as well branded limit. Yeah he's a rare guy. I met him at the press conference. You know his best. One of his best friends is jalen ramsey. So i kinda had a head start with dj but you know when you meet them in person. It's it's very hard to stand out in the nfl. I tell people all the time with my friends and my family and like it's so hard to like truly stand out on an nfl field because everyone was so amazing but Derwin james one of those people that stands out for sure a brand that. I wanna thank you very much the time. I'm glad that we finally had the chance to talk. I hope we'll have the chance to do it again. I wish a lot of success with the new job in los angeles. I'm sure it'd be very successful there and little read your book big fan of it. Wow own story and Again just The man. I just love the title. It was so well done. And you know congratulations. You read the book. I'm listen honestly. That means so much. Whenever i hear that i don't know why but it just stops me and it's flattering to me. That people even knew that it existed. i'm grateful. Thank you for taking the time to read it. And i appreciate you sharing those words. Thank you brandon. Absolutely adam good to meet you and there is the new head coach of the los angeles chargers brandon. Staley won't be surprised to see him succeed in that spot especially now that he's got a quarterback that he can lock in with for the next fifteen or so years justin. Herbert has a chance to be a total star in this league and to be able to compete with patrick mahomes in the afc west. All right before we get you espn nfl. Report kimberly morton. I share a little story about my personal life with the two new puppies that my family and i got last friday in carlisle pennsylvania from the breeders ivy lean labradors. We drove to carlisle from new york was about a four hour. Drive honestly might have been the first that my family has left the state of new york in a full year during the pandemic so it was like a little road trip which in this case was welcome and we got these two puppies we already have three labradors at my wife wanted to more. I wasn't sure that i wanted to more so we compromise. We got two more. That's how it works right. People who were married understand that and so we got these. Two labradors brought him home where he couldn't figure out what to name them. And when we got them from the breeder they were born on november twenty eighth so the breeder named them for thanksgiving kick gave them names. That you would think of at thanksgiving couple of the names of the dogs that we took gravy was one and maisy was another now. My daughter and i wanted maisy wife objected to maisy and so we change maisy to apple. Which apple was one of the names of maisy sisters in that litter and we took home. Maisy who became apple and then we took home gravy who renamed boat even posted about an instagram. Welcome bow and apple to the family. But we couldn't get past the bone like we as much as we liked it. We kept thinking this is gravy gravy gravy and so we consider the name brady and brady sunlight gravy so we changed bow to sound like gravy. That's what i'm trying to say so anyway. Long story short two new editions. We've heard some of my other dogs during the live shots at espn barking on camera. Doing sportscenter or get up. I've dragged ella onto get up in the morning a couple times. It's early for but she likes to shore face there every now and then and now. We have two new additions. That can bark up a storm through my sportscenter hits during my ghetto pits and their names through much change through much deliberation or brady and apple. And if you want to hear more about the dogs you can actually follow them now. Instagram at an account that my daughter set up under schefter newshounds all one word. Schefter newshounds on instagram. On the graham kgo follow all the pups their and their latest exploits. We'll get back to the podcast and just a moment. But first the word from ziprecruiter finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sure you can post your job to some job board but then all you can do is hope the right person comes along. Which is why you should try. Ziprecruiter for free at ziprecruiter dot com slash. Aspca ziprecruiter does the work for you. When you post posted jobs on ziprecruiter it sent out to over one. Hundred job sites with one click then ziprecruiter's matching technology finds people with the right skills and experience for your job actively invites them to apply so while other services may overwhelm you with applications to sift through ziprecruiter. 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We'll get back to the podcast in a moment but first a word from better help if you think you may be depressed or you're feeling anxious stressed or overwhelmed better hill offers licensed professional counselors were trained to listen and to help talk with a counselor and a private online environment at your convenience from wherever you're comfortable join. The thousands of people taking charge of their mental health with the help of an better health. Counselor better help is an affordable option in our listeners. Get ten percent off your first month with discount code. Adam get started today at better health dot com slash. Adam that's better help dot com slash adam or enough talk about dogs little onto our next guest joining us now a rookie reporter at espn out in the field. The co host of the. I take her. Take podcast along with charlie. Or not and chennai ag- mckay kimberly morton. Our friend our colleague or coworker. Welcome to the adam schefter. Podcast kimberly adam. This is a big deal. I appreciate you allowing me. Some space in your podcast. This is fun. I've known for a long time but finally be. Espn colleagues grill and to do. Your podcast is even better. Well i appreciate you joining us. Thank you very much. You're fresh off your trip to green bay to watch the packers. The buccaneers your fresh off your first season. Espn i just wanna get a broad picture. A broad sense of what you expected it in your first year and how reality compared to what you expected. I expected to be overwhelmed because this is my first tv network dumb and imagined pitcher march nine twenty twenty sitting at rookie camp in bristol. Connecticut learning about the walt disney company. Shake you know is bumping with people saying. I can't wait to get you in studio next month. And then two days later everything shuts down so to start a new job at a place like espn during a pandemic not. I would not recommend it to anyone. But if you're a new yorker go through this and you dealt with isn't come up the other side you can handle anything. What was the most challenging poor to you having to develop relationships on the fly. I think this business is all about relationships. Genuine relationships and when you are covering teams that you haven't covered before. I covered the jets. The bills washington football team But you know when you're going the packers you know and you haven't had to cover them indefinitely before having to ingratiate yourself in get to know. Pr people coaches players. you know. that's it's very difficult and relationships are not something that you can easily formulate It very quickly. You know it is hard. So that's been the most challenging thing but you know as anything you just got to figure out how to do you do it to. I've been in my house all year. Long really haven't left curious what it's like to be in a stadium on game day particularly for a game like if she championship. I mean there were. There were fans. They're banging their chairs. We saw that but most games this year. No fans no fans rights. What was that like being stadium whether there were no fans few fans lesser than normal fans. What was that like. It was strange because you know sometimes for games that had no fans you just here. It's eerie sort of quiet with is not at all what we're used to. I will say. I don't have any experience with what covering games for. Espn is like during non pandemic time. So i've never been on the sidelines in an espn capacity. Never had to do stand ups. You know in crowds before so so in that respect. I don't i don't really know what i was missing. you know that sort of that sort of closeness to the players i. I didn't get experience that this year didn't before so that's been actually kind of good that i don't know what i'm missing this is all i know. Espn life in these. Times is all i know. are brought up being in green bay and watching the buccaneers in the packers. And were now going to see tom. Brady the superbowl. What was your assessment of the tampa bay team and how it will fare a week from sunday in super bowl fifty five. It's so interesting. Because you know i talked. Todd bowles the defensive coordinator for the bucks. Prior to sunday's game against the packers immediate raved about aaron rodgers one of his favorite players. But he's always been one of the toughest game plan for and what we saw on sunday was them stymying. You know the packers and stein aaron rodgers and so it'll be interesting to see how in two weeks you can game plan for another mobile. Qb but somebody who is. We haven't seen anybody like patrick mahomes yet. So the pressure is on todd. Bowles in his defensive staff. But it's been a great story. Tom brady a guy who gets to pick where he wants to go. It'll be interesting. Because he aaron rodgers lost to tom brady. And now aaron rodgers futures. That beautiful mystery we've been talking about. He watched a quarterback dictate his exit. Decide where he wants to go. After years in one place an errand is approaching that same spot So yeah chiefs box. I think this is sort of the old school versus the new school. You know we talked about. The changing of the guards at position seen a lot of older. Qb's you know nearing the end of their career. Tom brady can somehow pull this off against this. Dynamic chief seem that will be one for the history books now. You mentioned todd bowles and for those two. Are you cover. The new york jets newsday from two thousand and twelve through two thousand seventeen. I believe if my match accurate. Todd bowles was the head coach there for a portion that time and there might be more pressure on todd bowles in the upcoming super bowl than just about anybody in that game. It is up to him to come up with a way to try to slow down and offense. That's almost incapable of being slowed down. Going what you know about todd bowles. How do you think he will handle that challenge. I think he it's funny. I listening to your podcasts. And i listened to your absolute chuck for ghana recently Chunk of course no. Of course i love this. Podcast chuck pagano said the todd. Bowles is be best defensive. Mind if not the best defensive in the game. And i think that sort of speaks to what you can expect like this is don't envy anybody in this position. Having to do what you what you just said. Having stopped hatch mahomes. Which few have done you know i was there. When the raiders beat the chiefs at arrowhead And you know you almost need like derek carr had had a very good game. You almost have to be perfect in every aspect. But i think even after that bucks win over the packers. We talked a lot about tom. Brady as we should. He's done a remarkable. But i think oftentimes when the defense claes tumbles gets the credit. He deserves what we've seen from this team devon white when he talked about devon white flying around yes that's innate ability but the schemes and players buying in what you're able to see from this front you know todd was like this defensive front of ours doesn't get the same credited deserves. We talk about the linebacking core strength but that front sue still practices in writes down notes in meetings like he's early in his career. You know so. I think guess credit tom brady. We will talk about brady vs. Patrick mahomes at young. Yoda versus iota. Means pitchers but todd bowles like you said has a lot of pressure on him because not a lot of people have been able to beat patrick oems and misses the biggest stage so if they fall on and defense. That's on him. Will you covered. That chiefs raiders. Game where the raiders pulled the upset in arrowhead. What stood out to you about. What the raiders. Did that day that would give the buccaneers some hope in the super bowl. You know they. They stayed on haste with the chiefs off in the second half defensively. They just seem they just seem reenergized. Swarming you know a patch. Mahomes they were able to make patrick unsteady. Timing routes with his other receivers It just seemed like the deepens was able to kick it up a notch from an intensity standpoint. But you what you the flip side was. Derek carr throwing the ball downfield like stepping up into the pocket of making lays like i think one to your offense. You see your offense being able to keep pace with them. I think that energizes a defense to like. Okay let's shut this doubt. let's get you know. Let's get after him. Because when you fall behind to the chiefs it is very difficult to feel like you still have a shot and i know players will tell you differently but in that moment because you got playing catch up against this team of all teams they toy with people you saw with the bills. Were up nine. Nothing chiefs came back when like okay. That's cute all right now. let's go and when you start going it's a wrap we'll and again that breezes back to todd bowles and why he may be as important as anybody else in this match. What are your thoughts on. The fact todd bowles did not get a head coaching job. This hiring cycle. I would be lying. If i said i was surprised because when you look at you know when you look at some of the coaches on their staff offensively. What they're able to do it becomes will tom. Brady is the instant instant mix and everything. Works byron luck which isn't getting any a lot of credit for what we're seeing either. But i think tom. I think it's very difficult. A lot of coaches assistant coaches and personnel guys. Feel like if you don't succeed in your first stop it. It's very difficult to get the benefit of the doubt to get a second op too. We've seen martin mayhew this hiring cycle but but it's a sentiment that is expressed not by a lot and so this is an immediate creation. Means are you know. We're having the conversations with these coaches who feel that just as in american society you taught you have to be twice as better for the same benefit announcing chances the nfl hiring cyclists. Just it's a microcosm of what we experience in our daily lives. So i think i was not surprised. High bolts didn't get another head coach. Opportunity this off season now. If they win the super bowl. I am very curious to see what happens. Todd and harold goodwin and byron left which Because it can't just be tom brady. You can't just all be bruce arians you know if you have a super bowl winning staff clearly be assistant coaches to do with it. In todd was an assistant head assistant coach of the year in arizona before he came to the jets So i don't think. I don't think i think will have another opportunity but you almost have to be perfect and a lot of respects to for people to take another chance. Well and for those who don't know the book nears. Special teams coach is keith armstrong. He's black their offensive coordinators by left which. He's black their defense corners. Todd bowles. he's black. They're assistant head coach and run game coordinator. Harold goodwin is black now. It's hard enough for a black coach to get a first opportunity right. Second opportunity rightly right. I mean that's gotta be really challenging but even if the bucks win this game and those coordinators from special teams to the run game it come out on top. I don't know you'd like to think that there would be momentum that would carry forward but the next hiring cycle kimberly wouldn't be till next december january so it's a year later so do i. There are other ways that progress should be made it has made. I just wonder even if they win. If that's gonna make a difference in these guys getting a head coach job you think it can It's very interesting. I think what was more most demoralizing a lot of people with after this offseason which we saw the nfl implement new changes to the rooney rule where teams are incentivized to not only required silently interview more minority candidates but also incentivize. Should they lose minority candidates or or coaches on their staff or interview minority candidates and hire minority kennedy that they would be compensated with. Traffic's i was not in favor of that because i felt like i said this for an undefeated roundtable you know. No black person wants to get a job. Because you're black. You know we want. It's it's bruce. Arians talks about. I hire coaches higher Women coaches who know what they're doing. It's not because they're women but he is intentional with understanding the playing field is not level. Just as it's not in american society so the fact that we haven't seen we we saw a lot of. We saw several lack gm's hired from the coaching front. We did not see black coaches get the same opportunities so if you have two weeks of the really rural and you still end up with no for progress in the coaching around when it comes to black coaches. That doesn't make you feel good. If you're one of these coaches who feel like what more do i have to do. Just for somebody to see potential. And see that i. I can benefit and organization. So i don't know to your question. I don't know the future for todd bowles and company. But you would hope that that we stop thinking that the nfl just a plain meritocracy and just so that will the best coach always get jobs. It's not that we have to be very intentional with our actions and understand. Look around the room and everybody looks like a middle aged white guy like then you have to at least acknowledged that okay. Probably be intentional. Intentional about our own diversity. Efforts will you mentioned the were progress and again. We're taping this on tuesday midday and the houston. Texans are way tire coach. And i think they're going to hire a black coach. I think they are but even if they do lifts operating the assumption that texans will hire a black coach that means that the nfl is treading water because the chargers fired anthony. Lynn right and the texans will have higher black head coach. And that's a zero net gain. I mean that's that's not progress. That's it's treading water at a time like this. That's awful that's right right. And we've already established the pipelines of of quality coaches whether it's on the defensive side offensive side of the ball they exist a pipeline exist. There's talent there all that needs to happen as for owners to look at like use the same criteria when evaluating white candidates versus black candidates I was told brandon staley from week to week. Three of the season when i was reading about this rams offense in the pieces they have the million that organization said our defensive coordinator. He's going to be a head coach. Watch and since then. I've been paying more attention to brandon. Talk another people people rave about this. So i'm excited to see what the what what he has in store for for his new team. But you can make a case while okay looking at his resume when your defensive coordinator. Is that enough. I i don't begrudge anybody for getting any opportunity but will the same criteria the same while you know what he may not have the experience on paper but we see something in him. Was that criteria used for black in. Its and oftentimes. It is not well. Do you want to hear more. Can really you can hear her on. I take her take along with shirley or no and chennai a boom okay they co host. This new podcast. Excellent listening highly recommended. And hopefully you all will give kimberly a chance there. Kimberly thank you very much for taking the time. Today i will look forward to seeing you in person. I've no idea when you're working for espn for however long you are and we still have yet to be together in person since espn has hired you. Yeah it'll be a good day when we can actually rate bredon person. Adam i appreciate you for having me on their nfl. Reporter kimberly morton the co host of the. I take her take podcast on. Espn or right. Before this week. I wanted to pay some respects to a few people that lost their lives. If twenty twenty was brutal terms that people that we lost twenty twenty one is started off that way and it was that way last week when at first we lost hank aaron who was a dignified man and my memories of hank aaron so many of course but i actually used to column when i worked in denver. The denver post called no him from from adam and i will call up a guest each week and one time. I had on hammering hank aaron and the wisdom that he dispensed was unbelievable and i call a field. Yates who's technologically superior to me to ask if he could pull up that hank aaron qna. That i had done for the denver post. I wanted to read it after. He lost his life and field. Who usually finds things. Technology could not find it. I still not found it. I need to look for that. Qna because that man was filled with wisdom and perspective from all that he observed and all that he endured as a black man growing up in the south you can only imagine what his life was like at the time that he was a transcendent superstar and a man who had done so much goodness community. Hank aaron gone. He will never be forgotten as is the case for the former bronco's offensive. Lineman tony t-bone jones played for the baltimore. Ravens played for the cleveland browns and played for the denver broncos at a time when i covered them and the broncos offensive line had a thing with reporters that they made sure that nobody ever spoke to them. If you spoke to a reporter on the record you will find. There was a kangaroo court that would find each offensive linemen who was quoted in the newspaper. But i love talking to those guys and they would talk all the time they never wanted to be quoted at all and one of my favorite guys. That group was tony jones and that was a great group march. Leth- gary brian be tomlin. Dan broderick thompson who lost his life in a motorcycle accident. Love that guy and tony jones. What a gentle giant. What a great guy. I love that guy. T-bone he would dress flashy. We'd always talk about life and to hear the he had died over the weekend at the age of fifty four. He and i are the same age that blew me away. And those players that organization back in the day helped raise me as a professional and as a man. Because i spent so much time around them. And i love that tony jones guy and i just wanted his family to know that my thoughts and condolences with them. I'm sorta she tony jones and of course we lost larry king over the weekend broadcasting legend. I have a dear friend. Jeff rubin will give him shadow on this podcast. I always think of him. Listening to larry king because all growing up through college. Listen to larry king in his bed every night going to sleep he was on the radio. Of course he obviously went on to cnn fame and he was somebody that was on your tv every night. Nine o'clock he put it on. You put on. Larry king you watch. Who is interviewing and it was always just very laid back relaxing. And i always loved watching larry king had the chance to meet him at the super bowl. When the and the broncos played in new jersey which is about five six years ago. I went through my camera to see if i could find that picture. Crushes me to think i couldn't but larry king the third great man who left us this week condolences to the king family or enough talk about death. I wanna thank my guest today for being with us brandon's daily the head coach of the los angeles chargers. I wanna thank kimberly martin for taking some time to join us. I want to thank my producer. Troy farkash who sat in today for kristina. Boswell and put up with me and put together this podcast so that you could listen and i want to thank you the listener for tuning into another adam. Schefter podcast please join us again. Next week as we begin to look ahead to super bowl fifty. Five the matchup between the goat and the kid. Tom brady and patrick mahomes the books. The chiefs should be great fun. And we'll have informative interviews insightful interviews with whoever joins us on next week's adam schefter podcasts until then everybody have a great week. Be well and stay safe.

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Epic Weekend of Jumps Racing Reviewed

The Final Furlong Podcast

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Epic Weekend of Jumps Racing Reviewed

"Something a little bit different on today's final podcast role. Defame come on come on. that's not even close to our actual theme. We're just we're just really insulting our australian audience. Now roll the real credits please. By the time you're listening to this. I'm assuming that tiger moth has won the melbourne cup with anthony. Van dyck finishing second and warning finishing third. And i'm in clover essentially. Hello and welcome to the final furlan podcasts at national review on. Sorry that we didn't do a national hunt preview of the weekends racing but we were busy Kate and paul ferguson. I were doing a jumps. Special normal service will be resumed but we haven't announcements make first of all. We've done this on twitter already Wednesday the final furlan. Podcast is officially sponsored by the breeders. Cup the thirty seventh. Annual breeders cup from keeneland will be sponsored. The final furlong podcasts preview. We'll be sponsored by the cup themselves. If i can get my mouth words correctly the team onboard is the legend. Mr peter four natale. We can't do an american show without him so very much looking forward. Seven peter back in the show. We have a new member of the team. Naomi tucker naomi does our own podcast on peter's podcast network. She also works for tv g. Who will be broadcasting all of the breeders cup and she's got european and american insight so looking forward to working with our and the dawn barry faulkner returns to the final furlong. Podcasts legitimately my love of american racing. Came from watching the old eighty or and barry faulkner. He writes some great content still for racist dot com as well so wednesday nights. We have our official breeders cup preview. Brought to you by thirty seventh breeders cup. It's a great honor to have them on board and tell them sponsors will be over their social media as well and that's all down to you our listeners. Thank you so much for that so it means a lot So we're focused on the breeders cup on wednesday. We'll do a review of the breeders cup shoes they would tell and nick look and on monday. Kay tracey and roy d. Large join me for as very special national hunt show again. It'll be a little bit different. I can't tell you exactly what yet. But cates already excited. Roy's excited i'm excited and i hope that you like it as well So we will be doing a jump show on monday. It will be something a little bit different. It's for big company and we're looking forward to doing that First of all though you can hear in the background. It is kay tracey. Welcome back to the showcase and kennedy. Thank you so much for joining us. And we've got a lot to talk about. We have some great racing to look back on but one of the best stories. And i'm afraid to some negative stories that we're going to have to touch on as we come towards the end of the show. One of the best stories from the last few days is that of ailing sullivan. Ailing is now a personal hero of k. tracy's and she nearly fell apart when alien followed her on the tweet machine so she really fell apart. When i announced that aliens joining us on the final furlong podcasts alien sullivan. Welcome to the show wipeout. It is a delight to have you on. I think that you cheered the entire racing world with your victory on american image at clonmel The reaction that you got to it afterwards. Your interview was brilliant book. When you've got chris as tweeting a tonic. In the current climate nina carberry tweeting racing is all about and there were so many others as well. john mcconnell warming. And that's exactly what it was Fairplay to kevin durant as well by the way my my former colleague He was just absolutely brilliant with you and just let you flow. You are in the moment. You shared your emotions with the viewers and with the fans. And that's what we need. So what was that. Let's let's take it back to to claw mail on the twenty nine. Th of october american image you get up by half a length. What was that feeling like to win. I hadn't even describe it. It is joseph. I feel in like he like the whole race at that. He wars hotness lease on joyce joan profess offense on defying my in front across the lane. I i was just so overjoyed. Dot lake all the hard work all the years of higher. Just you've gone to finally paid off with the one winter under attack. So i heard over the moon down his. How many years have you been. You've been working. Because i see the official stats say that thirty two rides. But how many years have you been working in the racing industry. Like i've been working since. I was fourteen in like lace area and so And then i went to the race in college and career. The race in center of excellence When i was fifteen. I'm city or they're not with review. Go to experience and reopened dialogue doors. And you know got it got disconnections on friends. Let you make everyone's kind of the same in so like i don't know i i've worked in race like i haven't talked since i was fourteen. So am i've copa mayo. And point to point the stuff today. Chain my says on point points and then My boyfriend neil gall he he's he's horses there that he him and michael do train them there together and you know issues like the hard work has finally paid off the plan with those points. Pointers like to train them to race. Them yourself so that you can ride them or is the plan to train them to then eventually sell them on that for the love of the sport so i was chained them all fun. I don them from house to be riding them Know bring them off on the weekends there and and and that type of thing there and hopefully my nick appointed two to long for effort in a bit So yeah know are your stay with because they accident you know this for. I know horses and the racing game. I think it's it's just fantastic. Just a lovely thing to hear as well particularly in this climate. I have to say though that you don't just work in racing. Your day job is in banking. Oh hey look. We all have to earn a crust in the world in the words of play davis from the wire. I'll take any motherfuckers money. They give it away. But how difficult is it to hudson. Is it for you to have a day job that i'm sure you love and You don't have to into details about that. But how difficult is it to balance a nine to five within your clear love and passion of racing and then looking after a point two pointers and getting yourself fit to be able to ride points points and then right and tracks were you. Were you get success. Like how could i. It's a long day when he say in the morning and i can open the mornings. I'm i made me write a jew to yours is men. go go to work on then. Normally what i do then after work you know before this whole locking would i be straits gym after work and then I sent an ambition program there and the those classes and stuff on which is really miss. So and then i come home. And then i feed off of the c. and You know the evening then for the horses and then and then again how many dinner. All that is an intense amounts hours. So what time you waking failing no it depends after i eat So it'd be like my finger in five or half just dependent on it for writing one or two or three just depends and they're just just to get them dawn on and then on my way to work then being worked for the quarter tonight. Friday dirac so I'd say to better an hour. Glad to have written krona. Don't endorse industrial before any well. Then i did. That is an intense regime and if we can just compare that to you because you work in broadcasting but you also write out for tell george and you do some work at of the arts as well Normally you would be you know. Pre rona good. You would be race day presenting as well so if if you compare and contrast you were working day two. How does how does it work out. O mine's los easier saying because back. When i worked fulltime phillips i have just the two of my own to try and fit in around working then a fulltime job to fill it plump season so i totally see where eighty it's coming from for them to go to the gym evening have to strengthen yourself up then to actually be able to rise in point to points as well and i that for just the two years and it was exhausting and to then go into a bank and have to use my brain for numbers and things. I barely functioning as it was. I have much respect us in i. That's what i was reading thing. when seen. She said that we were getting a lean on the show was to get into the nitty brucie. Danes today and the hours and and just routine multi than anything. Because i'll just say i needed to. I'm the toll. It was taking on me physically mentally and braiding to. I can see why it meant so much to you. Then and it came across the near interview the emotion. I think that's why. I read greedy tapped into it because i could see the emotion in you and all that hard work has paid off and it really every reflected so honestly as well so just thank you so much for actually roads casting that as eloquently as you did eating oh. I don't donate one. I live in florida. Yeah i know. Like joyce cross. And i like i never thought i would see today. Where accurate winner on the track. No for eight to nine. Come together and you know it made it really fashion A couple years ago. My nana passed away on. It was the day of her The day she died he was was thursday. So i said to mom like just before and after the mom. When i'm going ri- right right this for non i ride distaste for nine. I guarantee she's something to do within canadian and a house uis definitely looking at you. What was your grandmother's name. Anna luna was definitely looking out for. You got restor yet. Just before i talked to you about the horace. This wasn't just a point point. You were taking on film and right is a very experienced jockey. Jack kennedy who is one of the best in the game. You had brian cooper in there as well. Who's super talented. 'europe against really really talented jockeys. So i think kevin ryan asked you in the interview. You do the cheeky. Little barrie guarantee moscow. Flyer style look around your shoulder as you were as you were coming towards the how confident are you that you were gonna cling on. Oh like no not a native across july de i ever. I wasn't one big confident. Hey we got the job going. No are just taking a peek. Just 'cause i couldn't hear them talking off. And i just said i just fine. The they were going under all gone justice. As i was going so i said i'd better get get rolling. I kick them on down over the last few inches and sure he was just brilliant. Never missed a beat jumping. So i was just a passenger on gordon from then on in far far more than that alien. Tell us a little bit about the horse because you own them in partnership with your boyfriend neil. He's twelve so next season he'll be thirteen. He's got an official rating of eighty three. Has he been difficult to train. Like difficult to keep consistent. What kind of characteristics we call them knock him out. He's allows us so funny like he's guys he's he's really keen and lena will do and all other work donate to be there. He's basically all the work and he got ready for the racist I'm d- it draws like. He like nokia easing. Actually i'm daveramsey pace on you know like you either pay disable everytime you so enthusiastic about his work so Yeah he can be quite keen and so fair so nina's in a great job on monday. I think he's getting older neighborhood of east kind of east kind of You know matern mentally. While which is graceful. He was always a great number from day one so that was always kind of like he. He just ally of funny sees offense among right in right in thinking that neil has ridden this horse in the past yet. You've ridden him twice. And you finished second one so you have a far better record than your boyfriend does no cash and that name my god. No she came i. I wrote him times on the track and he was sacked the first day but we and then he ran again A couple of weeks later but the game is very. He's very brain dependent on and if it's taki grind at all he kind e kind just get out of the ground If it's tacky so he finished down the field and stay on then income then. We are lucky. The rain the rain kind of came just before honda last notion new so he could work with Both know like. I paint joining join different days. He's he's a tiny. He's only like you just fifty decision one. I'd say i eat italian. Loris on the way the way these carry. And daphne affects racist so there. I think it was nine five. He was carrying on his back there in so like you know i think the way. He's daphne is i think to play on a he performs and is racist so up. You are superior writer to kneel in every way and your superiority nature into this. They know should knowing no. I'm not doing my view in your thank showing. How long have you been together ailing. We've been together a four and a half years. It'll never loss. Its kids got to the best of looked to both of you because you know to have a relationship where you're clearly Madly in love but also working so hard together to train horses and have this passion for racing as well as just. It's a lovely thing to see. And that's another thing that the kate alluded to as well as you know this. This is not a prestigious race. Like frankie dettori is one is the one who gets the headlines normally and and ryan more and like aidan o'brien on the show on wednesday and obviously rightly so they're they're big stars. You went viral because of your enthusiasm and caitlyn and i. Kate works with horses every day. I'm just dumdum behind the microphone on the racing fan and i'm very very lucky to work in racing broadcasting but i i love the sport. Kate loves the sport. You clearly loved the sport as well. What was it that drew you to racing. What was it that drew you into it that you dedicate so much time and so much energy and so much love to horses at that you keep up consistently because it must be difficult to maintain nine to five job and then do this as well. So what was the drew you into the game. I suppose joy like when like i was radio own. I stayed over my friends and she was going for Only lasted under my you. Do they want to join in. I'm i said yeah. Sure i'll give it a go and i thought i got a funny. Maybe did last. And on i did not want to come off oni. I was like no no. Thank you say on the pony. So i'm like she ever seen saying like i know getting off in the morning and try i like like i love. I hope getting knocked on before work like puts in such great news. Assure them yeah. I like like i i. It doesn't matter what do either as i go. Day and night. Gme the i'd like. I know my heart is like every single one of them. They're just i you know the just. They're like family to me so to get up in the morning. Then go down. And it's not really i don't know on different either like it's just part of my life you know they're just part of my life and i wouldn't have it any other way. How much longer do you intend to keep on going as a jockey. Excellent as the right answer exactly. That's what we want to ask how how was going to work on the friday. Oh my god. Going into work. On friday way tire shows anyway right the furnishing or i work on the second floor and the in the office and they're going a win in the business team have to give them a big. They seattle big my flowers all them saturday. Cheer when i mean. I'm sure labor cheers me to cry because i know most of it was just 'love' and everyone was congratulate me and there was a huge like like the head of banking and everything was was ringing me an email me and like i was so overwhelmed but everyone likes. They were so supportive. And they're so. Yeah like i kind a big show today. It's the guy they're they're really really supportive on an accord not for better day friday like we just amazing but is fantastic. And i'm a customer so throw an extra five k. Into my bank please. Thanks very much. And i'm sure you. I'm sure you can easily manipulate the figures in just like throw it in there and it's great to that kind of reaction came along In terms of of the reaction from your peers. then let nina carberry. Sure is someone that you looked up to still look up to an awful lot like. Could you believe the reaction that you were getting from from the big people within the industry alike. Not at all is like. I always like leslie shocked and like so overall. I don't like. I couldn't believe iraq. And i was getting like another really wasn't use. I wasn't expecting in the slightest and show. Yeah i was i was. I was delighted. Like i couldn't think when you see every may chris hayes that everyone like party. Join twitter there yesterday. So i began my. My friend draws endymion screen of of people. I'm tweeting the veja. And i couldn't i was like oh my god i couldn't believe it i was. It was just fantastic to see like and you know it was. I am not one really to be. I had with iraq and when the horse finished second time the talk i was just as happy only record on an industrial me like i if i turn you'd swear you know it was the best thing ever just like that. You know vote ahead. Yeah i chose this time. It was caught on camera. Who just it was it was funny for. It was a degree. Get everyone i think. It's it's berlin. you opened up so much. I think it's brilliant. That kevin ryan allowed you to do that. And he got the absolute best out of you to final question for you. Is you clearly heavily involved in racehorse ownership and it's a. It's a tense time in racing right now. But the u k in arlington tonight are going to talk about that towards the end of the show with how ownership is is currently playing at particularly within the uk ireland. We might be okay with it. In the uk does does a lot of stress on over there You clearly like for you. Ownership is a little bit different. Because you're involved in a day to day like it is it is it is a daily part of your routine and your life and love to the core boss for those who want to for those who are who are considering joining syndicates or who want to get involved in race ownership and these are really tough times to do it. In what advice would you give. People who are looking on. The outside of racing. Who wants to get involved is off. Thank you can go. The tax be riding on the taxi. Seen all would be. You know we always give you a great game. I have a host in order. Shit with all rhythm by dot is the answer of the week. You can follow alien alien l. e. n. sullivan. So it's a l. e. n. o. s. u. l. l. i. v. a. seven on the tweet machine and i strongly recommend that you do and horse put it in training with her and she'll ride a winner and you will go viral. She'll do another epic interview with kevin kline or Or gary o'brien and yeah more power to you Alien it's an absolute pleasure to speak to speak with you. Delighted your colleagues greeted you so so well. It's lovely that he's a twelve year old and that he's a character and it was just a breath of fresh air to to see your interview but most importantly get you on the show to get stoked to you first before we we talk about some top-class racing but then serious stories as well. So thank you so so much for joining us and the very best of luck to you and indeed for all the piss taking that due to your boyfriend as well for the future. I'm sure that you will both go on to bigger and better things only have on the show. I really appreciate is cheers. guys certain. Look after yourself. Maybe watching your next winter care. That is the viral superstar alias. Iligan basically the story of the weekend than just a brilliant brilliant stories ac- it was also nice to see down royal trending in ireland on social media as well because they had some fantastic racing. We'll touch on that Again apologies that. We didn't do a weekend preview. But i hope that we've that kate and paul and i have got plenty of gravy for racing post tractor your irish racing dot com tracker whatever it is the sporting life that You know. I think we've given you some good ones there and the dark horses to follow. Podcast is coming. And there's a very special jones podcast monday. It'll be a little bit different but you won't want to miss it Before we get too down royal we need to talk about whether it be the bet. Three six five. Charlie hall chase the great to one by surname. Kate you and i were at ascott day. He fell. We were doing a cheltenham preview. Afterwards with paul. Nicholls i genuinely. The poor fellow was gone. It did not look good that day. And i think it is a credit to pull nichols. And let's include harry. Durham this as well and his team. That not only did he come back but he came back in such tremendous form because there was a slight question. Mark about How would that race have knocked. The stuffing out of him What effect would have had a mentally. We know that horses do remember bad experiences And also about the trip. Was he going to be okay for this. It was no problem at all and vindication is no back number and he is absolutely sluiced in is he the most likely king george winner in your mind now. All good question probably is to be honest between him. inclined to zoba. It's cleanse happiest hunting. Ground in after a run in the king george year in absolutely was destroyed baton congress oboe but he's had an entirely different preparation this time round hasn't he i mean last year i didn't feel after his win in the vet free sick a bet three six five story in the nineteen sixty five a chase bit christie nineteen sixty five chase. Sarah oscar. i just felt he will choose to the minutes to win that race. Pu nichols wanted. Altos unbeaten streak. He wanted to get that win than anything. You've got the feeling and the media build up so the celebrations afterwards he wanted that scout on sunning you can see him down at the thought. He was his fishes a flea. He was talked up on out. Your had a little bit condition on him. Nick anderson said that himself but to get that win on your first start of the season in soft ground against the best to milo seen for a very very long time. was huge and he has pulled out all the stops today. I know he pulled out over a two length win in the end but he still to pull out all the side day. And i just always got the feeling then that was gonna take a lot out of that hole be that tuned up for his parents and it proves that case any mccain joy. Just don't travel with the same. The that we think of face holsworthy previously was very keen and he didn't really seem to be traveling much destitute. And mccain george said. I didn't take that as israel running. And then when he fell it skits he was already well. I'll be to that point but the fact took that really heavy food just showed how much is turned to emptied. And the fact he stayed down for that long winded and just exhausted. I think at the back of that fence. It was as you say it was all to see thank goodness he got off than the scenes are afterwards were amazing then for everybody. Stay to applaud. Once he got off in his loud as well. It was crying. It was just yeah. Thankfully he got his come back to the spring. But then i actually don't think it was that bad thing. That lockdown came because he's had the extra time to forget to get the schooling back into russian nichols who says don't have any issues being fit fast. Symeou did that. Prove the case for the child who but i love the way he jumped throughout that race. He also wasn't keen Which he traveled beautifully. Harry called which as i said previously being an issue famous how keen he was the fact he just jumps so cleanly immediately of dispelling. Any of those memories that he previously had for moscow was so satisfied. See and as you say. He had the doubts about saying the free malls. He had the doubts about the left handed. Which is probably why he will send off the three two second favorite behind vindication and say after the effects of the fool as well you just there are a few little doubt that he had in his head. Yeah what a way to dispel any of those doubts in the finest style. And i know that he was that team pound bags. Sunday's nearest rivals through it. Reads that one hundred. Sixty one rated vindication was able to get within two lengths of surname but signing was mainly pushed out to the lines hansson heels eastone. Yeah he was. It was so easy which the biggest are out of that was because he actually had the chance to enjoy his racist. Finish which was might be great because it's the first time since february twenty nineteen that he actually finished as comfortably within himself so now that spree weeks until the king george and he's already had that much better prep full candid on that front Put him van then out. I think we'll see tightly. Different whole smith king george The one we saw last year. So there's a couple of important takeaways. This was his first win. Going left handed so that that theory is no dispelled and it means that. He's a genuine cheltenham contender. Now if they choose to go down that route there is no reason why they can't. What paul nicholls is talking about. Is leopard stones. Christmas meeting as a backup. He he's talking about the the denman chase and the gold cup. He's also talked about the ryanair but for the foreseeable future for for what we're gonna see next. The king george is is obviously an option for them and the bookmakers have responded in kind and he has been slashed in the bedding. He's now seventy two joint favourite along with. That's that's the best price you can get along with. His stable companion cleanser sober. You're saying going for his third consecutive victory in the race. But he's also mentioned leopardstown. Christmas meeting the sabotage chase the would used to be the lexus chase. The problem there as paul adequately put. Today's recurrently in the lockdown. And i'm sorry you're going to have to talk about that later on. And that's why that's why we had alien i because we wanted to share everybody up an have a a good atmosphere and we're going to talk about some great racing in the meantime so don't worry we'll we'll do our best to be cheerful butts We don't know you. The government doesn't know An and therefore it is not the fault of the beach a and it's not the fault of hate eye because they take their directive from our government in ireland and the government in the uk. A neither one of our governments seem to know how to put their socks on. Let alone what it is to do with this and to be fair no jurisdiction in the world seems to be handling this pandemic rice. It's like look. I'm not epidemiologists are not going to rant about it. But it doesn't seem to matter what the climate is. It doesn't seem to matter what the atmosphere as you look at the state of things australia you look at how america is You look at all the various different ways that this has tackled. Some will tell you that the sweden model some we'll tell you it's a disaster New york's and absolute war zone. It's it's it's a nightmare. So he's right when he says it might not be feasible to go. Which is something that we need to think about. When we're looking at irish horses coming over to kempton a may not be feasible for our resources to do the same thing. Hopefully we'll be hopefully be okay and we'll be in good form. But if he went to kempton. I would strongly fancy him to be climbed to sell and i know clinton sober loves that track but he was so good there and he's shown such good form in the past and we've taken the his his lofty rating in the past but this was surname. And that wouldn't have been him at one hundred percent. Vindication is a good horse who won the ascot handicap on the same day last year. And he's beaten him east down. So i i love him and i think i think it's a brilliant training performance and i'm really looking forward to seeing whether it's i'd love it to be leopardstown. It will be so great. If he comes over to ireland. That would be brilliant but if he does go to kempton Cleanses oboe lost in translation. Champ santini a ken boy. You know possibly idaho coming over again. This is another question mark. But who would you favor cleanses oboe or surname. Name as it stuns me too. We're both surname bandwagon and If he went to cheltenham so this was another common. the pull. who's making over the weekend. Is he has the pace for the ryanair. Would you go gold cup. If he wins the king george and roll the dice and go right. We gotta go for the big one or would you go for the reiner difficult. Isn't it because naturally if you win the king george almost expected of you to go straight then go down the gold cup roots however me personally trying to look at him. Objectively without that trend of the forefront of my mind. I think he has got plenty of space. The reina and i actually think you've invested down in trip than stepping up to the free multi against proven proper slogans and. I know that in the go cup this year. They didn't go pay on but we were lacking native river type. I think this is looking a hostile heat again. I doubt that it will get a steady pace from the get go this year especially with some of the second season novices now proxy fully fully established coming back for it again. Who will definitely be testing the seminar. Over like santino. We wanting the trips. So i think it's going to be appropriate now. Stay test of this barrier point that we're talking about the go cup so i would want see son in back for the ryan. A- offset outside lot easier said than done not without seeing him going boating. Nicking george i think if he wins the king george. The gold cup. I think it's not true. He gets beaten there than they rethink it. But it's it's amazing how one race can just throw all the stats and all the trends at the window. We now know he can go left-handed that's not a problem for. We know he can stay three miles and we know he's fit as well and he should be better next time as he's a tough price fourteen to one for the ryanair chase with some very respectable bookmakers. He is a top price to one for the gold cup. We've already previewed that race. And if you haven't listened to it yet. I strongly suggest that you go back. And listen to it as a poll. Ferguson kay tracey. And i get into it with the cheltenham championship division. But in this podcast the special podcast that we're recording on monday. That were keeping top secret for now but we will reveal all at the weekend as we build up to us. We will definitely be talking about surname again. The storyteller as we switched to down royal this meeting where to be fair pulled nichols is done very well. In the past ocado star there is a famous picture of koldo star having one. It was the j. n. Wine nicholson chase. Believe back in the day So caught a star took this race back in the day for paul nicholls with his half-brother koldo stone as well. But this was a victory for the storyteller. Chris's dream looked all over the winter. I was very confident about delta work for the second year in a row. He's disappointed in this race. So maybe it's just a case of he needs. I run back presenting. Percy was traveling radio well for a long period of time but in the end keith. donahue. And i'm delighted for him because we've talked about the fact that keith retired from being a jockey on the sunday of cheltenham and then on the tuesday he had to watch jack kennedy win on the worst that he would have ridden the bake in the supreme novices hurdle any worked extremely hard to get back into full fitness to be a jockey and he was rewarded with victory on tiger role. Two victories on a role for that matter so delighted for him. That it's another great one For him to succeed. This is a meeting that. Gordon elliott has openly said that he targets but he's best horses and he had the storyteller prime to perfection three miles. No problem great. Run from chris's dream. a nice run from presenting percy as well but let's talk about the front first of all. What did you make of the storyteller. And chris's dream just water race was i mean. Hit already. looks like it's going to be fantastic race yesterday enough alone as we would expect. But when they rule lining up with eight of the runners sailing with a chances they jump three thousand then ran down the hill. It was just giving me goosebumps Which way it was going to go and you barely knew but you also look in presenting. Passy was still there on the inside. Christie's dream who's just a hole sight love so much he was still time king along than yours toll thing presenting passy the storyteller then on either side of him and then they'll delta guessing to walk in behind the leaders and snow. Foulsham was running a huge race as well on the coattails and after the last she just slow as you just said that. It was chris's dream. Kirsten streams race. Now and he's just going to extend away from the storyteller who will just find this grade one step to fall yes again. But he's just terrier of a whole said it was amazing. See him pick up in the way that he did on the hill and yes. He had plenty of race fitness onto his belt from this summer with his thoughts. Already this season but this was still a great one chase in that caliber of company. I wouldn't be attributing his wind simply to a fitness advantage for the opposite has it has made a difference but who'd be simply attributing it to that and he's a funny storyteller. He very much as his way of jumping offense and he must take an awful lot of knowing from jockey's perspective because as we saw earlier on in the season even when he made a bad mistake in the galway plays in dave russell him jumping two fences way out back just causes the horse confidence back and it works because he went on the off the guinness chase three days later it was. It was amazing to see. Just oh fantastic. Jokey manship on. Hose manship from dave russell. But he's just a hose he can easily kick offense out of the ground in every single race and he again. He took a while to warm up to his jumping on saturday. But at least he didn't who for now to the ground usually does which tends to put him on the back foot. But i just still keith donohue roy in so out just as he did at punchestown tune is priced. Aw when replacing. Davy russell with sato and it was commented on at the time by gary. Brian in ruby. Walsh that keith. Donohue has really grown off the mature. You've said emmett and has his head fun. We focused on the job seems given which he's been out to reap the rewards from edison sense owes. You could see the happiness in his face said when he crossed the line. It was just a brilliant win on the radio. Lovely ride as well. Subsea takes knowing your. Chris is dream. He hopes wasn't his fitches winner. But robie powell was forced to commit christmas dream to go win his race at the back of the second last by the story. Talla who roby powell would have known fisher in eakins of latin gets an advantage on him running to the final fence. He had to go in the hatsaw. Little lack of peak season fitness did just tell up the hill but Mamie because he had to go you from traveling on the bridal to committing to the win in a matter of strides on the back of the two hours. So i wouldn't be too hauch chris's dream aso. I think he's run. A lovely rates traveled like the best source in the race and presenting. fussy conundrum. Isn't a you find yourself making excuses for presenting posse telling me and saying well. He ran well he just locked this or he just liked rates that this is what concerns me with with with him constantly thinking as best as come the next day when things fall right then like it so first of all. I'll say about the story. That are racehorse to own at cheltenham festival winner. He was pulled up behind fraud on but he came within an inch of adding to his cheltenham seavy last season and was given a brilliant brilliant ride. I think everybody knew that. Like every single cheltenham preview night. Everybody was talking about the storyteller for the percents And the fact that he can be a dual purpose source as well that he can gio purpose. I mean not flat that he can run over hurdles and and and chases and and to be able to to step up to grade one company like this having made a balls of it in the galway plate is just brilliant to see. I i love him. He's he's been described gordon. Elliot's as the horse of a lifetime and He's the legend for keith berlin. Part of our team keith works. They're pretty much every single day and The last time it was in gordon's yard had the honor of meeting keith. And just to give you an idea of what a nice guy is. I asked if i could take a photograph with tiger role and he just wash down tiger role and he moved him. He brought tiger roll over to another section of the yard. Which was better for photograph for myself. And for glenn sergeant. Who's a regular listener to the show and to my good friend from a good friend jim delaney. Now that's the action of an incredibly kind person Jamie cod was there as well. And jamie was the gentlemen to and and gordon just an absolute gentleman they run an incredible operation and I'm really delighted for keith. And his gordon said he takes these opportunities when he when he gets them and a guy like he has to wait for those opportunities to be given to them but once their once they're given to him and presents to him he takes them takes them really. Well thought it was a fantastic ride. Your spot on of christmas dream. I'd be really interested him for the civil chase. He's definitely very exciting. Horse presenting percy the riddle wrapped in an enigma. Like he's a little bit like pinatubo in every time he runs. All this went wrong. All that went wrong. Oh you can make this excuse and you can make that excuse and look if you loved pinatubo that's fine. The fact is the godolphin retired. Him would no injury. They knew right well. He got thrashed in the qe to you. They know white royal. He's not gonna win. The group one breeders cup mile so retire gracefully and just send him off to start. This has been moved to gordon. He probably needed the run And he has run well enough. But i'm afraid. I'm really afraid that we're going to get suckered in by presenting percy into backing him for something like the how soon as the john durkan Or backing for something. Like the the chase the spend christmas chase. Whatever it's cold these days. I can't remember these sponsored names. Keep on changing but the prestigious three mile prize at leopardstown if he wants to back him. I'm not gonna stop you if you want to back them for the grand national. I'm not gonna stop you. But i have to take him out of the tracker on. Just watch him now. This point because i think that Fingers have been burnt just a little bit too much. I i suspect gordon. We'll get a win from him. But at what level is is another question. Yeah i think. I think that's the best way to put it ready because you say about getting things but i think he burnt so many thing news last season. I didn't have the money down on him last year. But i was always had one eye on him in the top three mile chases you say because as we saw last season where we thought he was going to come from his run in the john darken. And then he didn't get the splits in this chase and again he was fancied on the back of those runs for the irish. Go cop any extra. Then's he is the kind of thing where people will keep finding reasons to back. Kim and thinking that he's vitol horse but he never read. It goes off to the price of the dog. And i won't be buying into them. This season pruitt. I really liked the host toe. Yeah i do too. He's owner. Like i have to say that i really like. I have to say that. He's previous trainer. We don't even know where the hell you train his training basis like a covert cia. Who knows where who knows where he trains. Philip reynolds is is a is a very nice guy. And i think he's good for the game. He speaks eloquently And it must have been a difficult decision to take all the horses away and give them to gordon. but i'd like to see that rewarded. He just made a very good point like all the excuses that keep getting made from three to one on saturday. Like what's to say that when the chase comes around he's not going to be the wiseguy horse again or the central christmas chase. Whatever it's called wants to say he's not going to be the wiseguy horse there as well and well backed ten to one plus go nuts gone up get get get stuck in go but i would expect a stronger field for one thing and secondly i'll expect a much better performance from delta work delta disappointed me here i. I really thought that he could win this. He drifted in the bedding cleared. He didn't fence him as much He was well beaten in this race last year. And he bounced back to win The the leopard send christmas. So i'm not that concerned. But his defeat era still think he's capable of winning great ones and i would still have a radar for the gold cup. I'd i'd look at this race and forgive him that just because this has happened before. Yeah that was my in saint doukas net like you say he's some people may consider him a hundred but he's no way near a conundrum of presenting pause type exploits and i think we really fancied invented the savage chase on the irish go cup gear and i was really keen to him to go and pull up the hat trick in the gold cup initially and then the mu ego thinking about it the more we think actually he hasn't has a gold cup preparation that you need to returning album voice in this. Oh this is. This is why you're smarter than me. Because i still did my notes. I i was flip-flopping then achy and he just he hasn't had the preparation he's gonna need for. He's had a cracking season. And if you earned him obviously you'd be over the move. When would you be would be delighted. I don't know any other owners apart from his actual lona you'd to lights i think mike leary to be fair. I i'm really. We'll talk about that later on as well. I'm very sad. Seem leave the game Eddie o'leary listen to this show. Hello eddie how're you Please come on the show. I've never asked you to be on the show before. But i'm asking you now. Let's try and make that happen actually because i'd be fascinated to to talk to you about The success that you had in such quick succession as well but Yeah i look. He's there's a the there was a very prominent owner. Who has since passed away. Who won it was allen parts and On pots won the champion chase in a piece of genius mastermind training from henry bromhead and he'd won the article the previous year and he goes and wins the champion chase. You'll remember that year. He was due to run in the king. George king george was canceled. Choose about weather and henry then decided to take him home and it was the year that long beat kado star and nick looks line was the king is dead. Long live the king only for co star to come back a year later in the long run. Show them who's boss which i absolutely loved bush if i owned a champion chase winner. I would be delighted. Somebody who. I know within racing media who so i know this happened. Happened to be sitting beside allen. Parts a gala dinner and turn to him and said congratulations on champion chase victory with sizing europe that it's absolutely fantastic and allen. Plots is answer to them was snow gold cup. Jesus christ man. You've just one one of the most prestigious races owner's dream of snow up. God restroom we still sees colors on the track but in some people. You just can't keep happy. I'm pretty certain that the imperial racing partnerships into get are happy imperial. Aura comes out after winning his race at the festival and be windsor avenue at carlisle and did so very very comfortably as well. Future looks bright for kim. Bailey's skate really bright. Yeah no it shows. Was he going to go now because all the white he's going to be carrying if he goes down the patty power is going to be huge. All do they. Then take him down the ryan average than eventually. Because i know that matt nicholls doesn't necessarily think this horse stays three miles. Oh that well or or as much better of the two h- so they all going to do with him now they're going to have to be Of the all they're very good team. Very good setup mcnichols resolve. It can bailey's assistant is a huge cost. And they walk in an amazing partnership together. I'll see david bass as a huge a huge emphasis. Well so what they're gonna do with him but as you say they have a seriously nice horse on the hands up. I don't think they're gonna go down the thad chase route. Thoughts mills translation went down last year after winning this race. He says he doesn't think you'd stay. Three miles yeah which you can kind of save. Because he does he has plenty of pace over the two four and we saw that at cheltenham as well then in the novices handicap chase. So that he he's very good at cheltenham so it is. It's what moxie of karla hundred and fifty seven yes It's going to be tricky. He's going to be very tricky of what they do with him next. But i've everything face. Yada going unbelievably well at the minute. And he jumped so out that one that was going viral video of imperial aura where he came aim up really long at one down the back and i thought for a few us in trouble will soon be able just to get rows along for couples drive by davis soon as it came back on the bridle cheesy fairly scoots. It away from them up the hill with just brilliantly throughout his lovely horse and yeah and and another one for the bailey teams go to war with this season. Some of these top chases. I'm not sure why. Producer kiro doesn't have the king in the north sweeper into our sweeper blanket just getting a blank Apparently it'll be added in soon. Jamie lynch is referred to as the king in the north while. I don't think so so. I don't think so and Inferior laura's put him in his place He's currently trading and a best price aid to one. You can get that with william hill. You can get it with unique bet. But he's generally sixes for the petty power cup. And i guess you look. He is a cheltenham horse. You said it yourself like it. It seems like the ideal target forum. And we've seen horses. I know it was sort of back in the day. But we've seen horses progress from the petty power goal cup to go on to win the ryanair so it might be the natural progression for him. But we'll we'll see what they do with them but irrespective of whatever they choose to do I would imagine it is going to be the putty power and You know go for it. And let's see how he runs. He's going to be tough to beat upside down. They're not race though. That starts mister fisher up now. I know in in the In the combat memorial intermediate chase is as good old black. Tell us about black from georgia's yard johnny afterwards. Very very pleased with him. Yeah no message. Tim after that race then just say all that was supposed to him. Because i it's is well well enough documented tome sources. They generally need a run out. We have the nice weather there this afternoon. Scott blitzen winning ahead but he needed the runs the same out. That who says we've got. We've got a new gallup. That's a new will multiple round gallup on. It is just hoping with with the fitness That we normally come to expect from season season with a hosa so it has made the difference but would not really the kind of y'all going to gun them fest. I'm out black up. He's a big stuffy whole He we were very pleased with how he ran. That johnny was very lazy. Jump very well throughout Ignorant couple but you can give that so hopefully now over as lead to elaborate trophy. I mean the hennessy. So you move is jumping hopefully touch words now a lot better than it was a few seasons ago then that she put him nicely right for that race out to main target. Can brian goelz the absolute trends legend. Get in touch this and tell us what is the record of top weights in the patty power. Gold cup is very interested to know how that plays that. I'm just looking so happy. What it last year for eleven stone Tuck under soy for judge. Neal ill he was attacking destroy. Property laid out for that heat. Eleven eleven eleven stone and kasey eleven stone. Aid for for off for paul nicholas. They've done it in the past Past but Brian can you confirm that for us please. Brian's a regular listener to the show great supporter of the show and Somebody that you should be following on the tweet machine as well and a good friend of roy in any fringe roy. Varghese is a friend of ours so yeah if you could just give us the stats on. That would be interesting to know. But i'd be keen to be like. I'd like to take swing something at a bigger price. But right now i'll be boring and unoriginal and say he can win it Fact yeah he. He is the class act. He's the wolf in sheep's clothing. Essentially going into the rice. The lock construction ltd chase grade. Two at down royal. Three o'clock on saturday went to battle over breaking my heart. Easy game easy game. Kay tracy will know is the quote on the back of the final. Furlong podcast mugs. Which a lot of our competition winners have received recently There's a lovely man called grant who listens to the show. And i'm going to kill the supplier because they told me they sent it out to them yet. They don't have the tracking number and he doesn't have this so i've had to order it for again. May very well end up the four mugs to mugs one. I don't know. But i'm i'm going to kill them anyway. Easy games. oh god Yeah it does say on on the bottom. It says caution extra gravy and it's personalized with your own name so k. Tracy for example would be on the back of the mark but the top of it says easy game so screw you mark walsh breaking my heart battle over doane god. He was good some crow on his comeback and Look as easy game comeback as well. These three horses looked to me like horses. Who can definitely at least win grade. Twos possibly the probably great one contenders for later in the season We know that. Sam crow can do it. Shocked me. cheltenham made a fool of cheltenham. I'm convinced that easy game can do it and battle over doane. Was this a case of him. Taking advantage of lack of fitness music or some crow or am. I doing a great disservice. There to be honest with the this race was a bit confusing I i need more runs from these. Ought to make any deny. I just yes make any sort of conclusion i say this race. I mean prior to this. I thought it was interesting. Seeing off the market support for this very easy game not just so yours. And i'm fully aware of that to the thaddeus you supported very heavily because i've grandma again. Yeah that'd be game very heavily supposedly folks. We had just seen the storyteller pushing his race fitness goodies to win the champion chase and obviously he had the into twining full with easy game beating him by seven lengths at in the champion chase at gore and their exhaustive. I'll tell you that. Sorry you could onto santos you. Isaac was being as back backed as well as he was. He should re ebay busa. Put the fitness edge on that full to good use against his nearest rivals. Who are making every appearances and especially with proven from from in this lineup. Looking as though it could well come down to fitness as well so i took diesel easy but he was about the right price with things considered ambassador. Doan radio was a bit lost in the market for this race. On the back of the way he sees and just sorta pete it out last season after disappointing effort which ultimately resulted in a full atlantic. Sound and then a nothing really in the are say and even his grade when when it left the sound last december. It's difficult to weigh up. This infre- ranasinghe say he plenty of questions sponsor in this race but the pace angle to the race did look in his face because we know he's a winner every mall. So that's what mark walsh looks. Like he was going to do on the front end but he had sizing coming off his a who is basically running away ropy power and then but that was fine because it meant. The pace continued to be honest throughout with battle over door and not having to donkey work but he was the irony holes throughout the race to have real rhythm and was the only want to hold his pitch consistently also so on his not full on necessarily going to take his gospel. But that was definitely set back in the right direction. For celebratory and i'm might just not be too confidence of backing his performance. A grade one next time out. Should he go for the john dark. And do you want to send my three mile trips. Would you want to keep him over to full. I actually don't know what trip this will. S- is best though. Because i don't think he's good enough. The great ones over the three malls we beating those who've just been talking about but that seems to be stamina seems to be his full share of the tomb full so is difficult. Yeah it was really muddling source of rights. to be honest. I think that the form will be turned around later in the season. We should remember the gordon. Elliot loves to target this meeting. Unsupported and again down royal trending on twitter. Well don't you like we can't have. We can't go to the races. it's incredibly frustrating. But at least we can watch them from home and fair plates down royal for doing all they did on social media And we got to see some proper stars on show Some crow. i'm looking forward to seeing what what happens with them next. His second run after a wind up No reason to think that he won't improve on the back of that look. He's surprised me. So i'll never underestimate him again. But i'll take game out of that race and Look forward to him winning some race of prestige and no laser in the season. This brings us nicely along to a sensational debut. Over fences from embroil turns out. The tracy. And i are both wrong. I wanted them to go for the arkle. Kate wants to say he will go for. Neither gordon confirms it's the marsh which case they are saved because of the pristine. You're not gonna without easily. You put them up for the orson finding soundbites. Sure you're sure you will. Yeah a deepfake edits so Look i think he has the speed twin anarchy. Honestly think if you run into that he'd look the marsh as makes the most sense ruby. Walsh was raving about him. He absolutely loved him on racing tv. And there's every reason to see why It's a beginners chase. He's fourteen to one on. He's expected to go and win. He's wearing tongue tied for the first time. Which was a little bit of a concern to me. But this was a case of job done onto the next one and When you think of of the work that colombo would have done with this horse as a point to pointer everything that he did over hurdles as as a bumper horse and over hurdles. It was a bonus. It's chasing what you really want to see the source to and on the back of that it's one starch. We got carried away with marina last year on the back of one start and that all fell apart but he looks to be the flagbearer for racing. This season what do you mean about us. Getting carried away with one star. We never do that on this for carried away. We'd never do such a high level of diplomatic just analyzing the stats people is. Yes we just go into the statistics. The statistics the statistics and the ratings and the trend analysis. And what exactly was what was the. What was his sectional time alistair. That's all we're interested in. Yeah we never get carried away. This source means everything. He wins. Everything you win the arkle video win the champion hurdle. Then he'll take in the champion chase. Then he'll take in the ryanair and then he laugh at the mall in the gold cup as well Seriously like he's already short. Presentative owes for the marsh and final podcast listeners. Who were gloriously. Showing off their digital dockets of having back at seven to one and higher. Well known to you you may as well get paid out now if he stays fish and he continues this trajectory. What we saw him do over the weekend. It was a lovely starting point Again colombo's horses do an awful lot of work over fences gordon. Elliot's is brilliant at converting sources from hurdlers chasers. He's just superb perfect. The armley possible concern. I had during the race was poor and kelly was getting run away with one hundred fifty to one shot came to the front bless him and you could just say he worry rain. Possibly into van borland's we just kept him. Wipe away from the favourite. That was the early movement of sorts of hesitation. Kelly for just playing his boss. Just stick white house worthy twitter. Trolls would have come from all all those all. Those accounts that opened in october. Two thousand twenty out for exactly So distinctly but in berlin he just b.'s. Throughout i love the fact that jack kennedy down to the last he will most wanted to test him because as a novice. You're going to make mistakes. And at some point the horse is going to have to think for itself is going to have to defense all be clever about it and the way. He was only guessing me talk gay out. The final fence was a pathway for jack. Kennedy said test this whole pace where he wasn't under pressure from any other rivals and the horse responded amazingly an absolutely ping the final fends. Jack kennedy was just brilliant as well for his first ride and violent you can. Radio have found a better place on the whole back. In place of data. Rustled on jack kennedy. Because he's just always cold nothing's plus to him and he so requires on a horse's back to and just doesn't fail the horse's mouth and trust them to do their job. Which is the jumping policy. So he was only really rolling out race pace going to the last say he's finally dusted off and just fed a four game really and i was ruby. Walsh was saying about lashes renew of this race that some praise winning this race wasn't very taking because he's take time put off after the line. Those are really kind of resonated. Didn't really think about much into review. Shut it last year. So it's something. I always look for now on needs talk forces. That's a very good point to just emphasize to you. Want to because we have new listeners to the show and you're very welcome so just to reemphasize that point when som- crow won this race last year a lot of people were getting carried away. Ruby walsh was expressing a major concern. I think it was on lydia. Show road to cheltenham which you hope comes back because it's a great show That he was very very concerned that he stopped instantly after the line. And just to expand on that you can take it from there. Yeah so something that. I never really paid much attention to illness. And it's something that. I really watch out in this race last year as people getting carried away he wanted really nicely but crossing the line he literally just had his brains tweets and he just stopped basically pulled up by the fence s in front of the stands which is no distance from the finish line to the fence put up and just went straight out the shoot to get back into the winner's his enclosure and people should making the point by saying that taught pulses take an age to pull up there almost fight in the jockey to carry on. They're already really paseo powering through the line. They haven't got to the line and not it then fall in a heap the top horses. You will say the jockey struggling to pull them up and we didn't get that with some very this year last year and it was something that ben obesity came to the full when we were watching him then in his neck story subsequent braces the fact he didn't really have this finishing assets then going through to the line when fourteen crush them in lumberton the crushed again but but then shocked his allwood victory at cheltenham. But it's it's a key. We're always learning like jason mcmanus. He doesn't talk very often but when he does he gives gives. The nuggets of wisdom says the day that you think you've cracked racing is the day it will smack you in the face and destroy you so we're always learning and i. I strongly believe that we should have as much information as we possibly can. And that's a very useful piece of info to have so if you consider a horse like hurricane fly like it would take an age for ruby him up. Obviously they're two very different horses. Bush and violon wasn't pulling up straight away you know. He didn't come to a standstill. The second crossed the line whereas did They're talking about the dreamer. Next that would mean that he would be taking on something of quality from the willie mullins charge But i would imagine you know. Willies is more of a spring man. So i would imagine he'll pass that test with flying colors. Hopefully yeah into grade one company on just your second style. Offenses is going to be very difficult for your average holes but he is definitely not your average joe's and jumping display. He posted there the other day. I know you say wasn't really under pressure. At any point was converted. Get in contention to put him under any real pressure say it's going to be hauled dribble looks next logical target clearly for him. But i wouldn't be too by the tool. I know that gary brian was touching on it quite quite concerns but the way he's going through that race such model professional with that schooling experience behind imagery say the Pointing experience on on the vaccine. I would be a wouldn't be too concerned about him going into great run company. The only thing that i thought was interesting that you mentioned that the saw of it was about the window fruition. He had during the summer. Which i guess is this in oil. And you don't have to report it to my understanding you don't have to reported in ireland for some reason i don't entirely understand why that is Obviously within if an irish shores had to run in the uk then under the rules you would have to so if envoy alone was making his debut there then it would be a different story but the the tongue tie for sign was was an interesting one and it's something that we need to bear in mind as well because we saw what happened to sprinter sacre win operations can cause issues. We saw what happened with without your Wind operations eventually catch up with a horse so that does not happen with him because he really is look. There's there's we should probably look at album photo and say he's the horse that is the flagbearer because he's jewish gold cup winner but realistically ruining seem twice. We'll see him once in trouble more and then then at cheltenham epstein. We'll see a few times so she could be the flagbearer put in terms of the young horses coming through. its him. he's the he's the most exciting horse and training. And i hope he stay sound fit and well and on the basis of what he did at the weekend. Dear god you quite like goshen for the champion hurdle and. I scoffed at that and was like i did make the point that defeats on the flat does not preclude him from winning high class horse. High-class races over hurdles Poll ferguson was very keen on cadaoas. So imagine his surprise. When aspire tower comes out and thrashes advocate evers and the triumph hurdle forum gets a nice little boost. Henry debrum bromhead and rachel blackmore teaming up for more success aspire. Tara did this really well. I was a little bit. Disappointed in abracadabra. So i'm interested to know what your thoughts are. Here was this case of his first of all all credit house buyers. Our rachel more debrum had they deserve all the plaudits but abracadabra was self very short price favourite and he's being talked about as a potential champion hurdle winner at it. The lack of a championship pace was it a potential lack of fitness delta. Work that maybe he needed this race. More than gordon thoughts or is it just a case of that. He's not quite as good or doesn't find as much finish as we thought he does. Yeah i have say anomaly. Normally the most forgiving cousin of says giving the next chance. And things. I there's and i'm i'm definitely not dismissing advocate operas oiseaux ever. I think he's still huge topic but you do thought to get bliss bit concerned. Over the fact he travels like the best in the race and over this trick vote the two malls and how long he was so traveling. Exactly as you would expect. He showed this the same in the supreme last time was on his last appearance. And as soon as he's been asked for as he has found no extra unnaturally dot is going to be a concern again. That's something that we talk about. Quite lost in freddie new listeners. A listening in again that basically you get such an hoses that can do this way. They will be majok. You'll be sitting. Percy though we tanking who the joe the whole suite chunking along in majorities hands and as soon as they then ask them for the finishing effort they just seem to say the exact same school. There's no not even acceleration because that would imply that they were. Maybe a bit won't pay. It's just they just seems find Visually expect and that's again why out from dopp risen a no one of our listeners was talking to us on twitter about just saying he's concerned walls about a hill. Finish cadaverous but hundred. I think it's just that whole bridal concept But yeah to take absolutely nothing away from us by top. Always use guessing his the his age allowance. They're being the four year old. But again something that i quasi loss about is the fact that juveniles in the following season. It's so difficult. We refusal raffles last season. We saw repellent look to give him his correct pronunciation puzzle raffles and they seem to have the world defeats. Even those kind is struggle and ask why attala. We fool last season while i did it least anyway. That he was the best the are to offer. I didn't necessarily think the irish juvenile so that fantastic for the they've got the one two triumph in the end because cautions me but a stupid ass. Wise how. I had the form in the book out prior to that he was unlucky to fool integrate. What juvenile hurdle at nep silence. So he's going to win Body juvenile full amounted to that much so him stepping into this caliber company integrate to as a full eurod. I couldn't really have him on that basis. But he's made all on the front end showed sarah's level of maturity that he jumped radi. Well go to cracking jump at the last as well. I just want the easy winner in the end so i would be mocking not performance off if anything and and just earn side of caution advocate operas going forwards yes. I think you've some that perfectly. Well abracadabra says worst that. I wouldn't rule out at all again some of gordon sources. Just come on. For the ron and henry source was absolutely spot on and again just give the credit he deserves like. Let's let's just give him give him and rachel black more at the credit. They deserve there. Were absolutely brilliant He is roared back into contention. He's been cut from fifties down to fourteen. I think for the champion hurdle. I wouldn't be backing him for that. But i would not put you off backing him for a graded hurdle in open company. This season Later on The going downhill done down. Royal down. royal ch- sorry. You know what we need here. Don't you caffeine. I was ringing kate beforehand and she wasn't picking up and kate always picks up and she answered the phone. I'm so sorry making a coffee. I'm like yes of converse. Influences tastic and of course the fox's fruits or here as well so i am loaded. Full of sugar at the going down royle was yielding to soft yielding in places. Don't you love the phrase yielding. Fuck air do For jack kennedy and gordon. Elliot's was Pretty impressive winner and this is the worst. You really like as well now look. He's along odds on favorite to go and win. He's taken the maiden hurdle over two miles six and he's done it. Well best question. I can ask here is like he's done. What's expected of kate. So what do you expect from him now. Going forward in terms of the cheltenham festival. What would you consider to be the ideal race for him album garlic. I think you mean potato race. I knew i'd be winding you up for that sport race. Well the price is literally exposed. It's literally golden spots so it's the potato race the how how impressed with them and does is not what he looks like. An out and out staying novice hurdler. Who will once again be. Gordon's not afraid to send horses to that race. That's that's where he end up a children all yeah he. He is air in my mind. I i know i'm biased. Because he the ended last season he was my holster. Note were whatever he does then huddling this season so naturally i'm going to be very biased about him but i just love it. I love his attitude. His laid back approach. I think he's a very clever jumpers well for big holes and we saw this there on friday as well because he was long at the second. Last flights of hurdles it comes quickly for bend and he was long at it. But i'm not one hundred percent straits but he showed you how honest he is. The whole succumb. Up for jack kennedy again gave the whole The confidence to find his own stride and then at the last he had to do the opposite. He was neat and clever pitching dance around. Get back only his whole inches and then get back up and over the final flight without touching it say for big holes is really impressive. At the end of two six. He was clearly getting a bit tired but he had plenty enough in a time to be doing bats at the last flights and the fact he went long. Two outs knit hat. Schuetzen zero mental either flights. Ah to the box. She likes the huddling debut and he just he really loves his jumping. You could see the way. He was locked onto the first flight. And from from that moment on you just wanted sit back and watch him school around and yes. He did get tied in the closing stages but he's entitled to do that on huddling debut and his repaired software to mall sakes on yielding to soft ground and and for that he did get tired. He still as you were just talking about. He still took a long time to put up after the line. So that would give great confidence. Going forward he's outsider and yeah so yeah that that was something that i really like the fact that the camera pans him after the lines something really want them start doing more and more so to see how far they take to pull up and although we know his future lies clearly and sang chases he is going to be a serious supposed to be reckoned with. In saying those huddles disease in. Yeah he just take a potato race is temperament as well Full these grueling staying novus huddle race heartfully have any adverse effects on him for the don because as we know are sort of race does have a bit of a name for potentially having these novices further down. The line is such a grueling race. But i love his attitude that i don't think that will be the taste of him touch with walked out. Okay so far this season Exhibitions come out and we've had another one come as well whose name currently escapes me. So too much that thing to say about your spot on. He is a big old fashioned chasing type. He's a grand staying horse. So if cheltenham is going to be on the agenda form it's highly unlikely to be ballymore. This can be then played back when he runs in the body. Moore's the even when he favored goes winds. But he's current andy post price for love the fact that someone has left up forty. Good luck getting that. He's fourteenth fourteenth the potato race. You can get twenties in places and she's not bad you think about it I read. There's a horse that are like in that race. But i'm i'll keep it for for the special show that we're doing on monday That's fakhir dude law and on saturday the going change to soft yielding in places yielding yielding to soft in places On chase course that hurdle course was soft And this brings us nicely along to the next source that we shall talk about. Which is bali adam. Chiefly park can't seem to get anything wrong. So this is the tapu god. I'm going to go eat a bag of bacon fries the second. This show is over the group maiden hurdle one fifteen he bolts by twelve lengths again. Long odds on favourite We don't really need to talk about anything else. In behind. Jack kennedy gordon elliot's and The big spenders chieveley park well at least over jumps. we'll talk about that Towards the end of the show. They have got a proper on their hands here again. Kate yes definitely and we knew what a big reputation this this holes had come out to the pointing sfeir and subsequently being sold for three hundred thirty thousand pounds at the cheltenham devendra sale. An instant superstorm Makes what your favorite host entrench. Obviously and allies are understandably on infraero. Savy sent off a very special price at wonderful but could only manage third but now we know that that turned out to be quite warm race in the end and he was just too keen in that race as well and then not sent off shore ceremonies next justified that no one to both come confirming the ability. We hope to see in this horse and this was the race at android orlando seeing one last year. Say there's enough pressure on this loud. To deliver on huddles av and you could see jack. Kennedy wanted to take lead but be permanent and stay out of trouble so badly adam. He had to sasso as they were cruel willing so it was a massive relief to see that he was able to do that. He's definitely matured from what we saw are not a bump day be and he jumped really well on the whole he's very slick For his huddling debut and he put the race abed to the second last flight where he flew away at the back of it. It was very clever than the final flight. He flipped the top. It was good seat as a brain though when that speed into finnish not he can pitch in short like that and still dunces feature on that quickly so there was so much you take away from that performance and yet very impressive. Very very likable. He looks to be a hugely exciting horse in terms of a his next destination. Gordon elliott's talking about the riley bond. That would suggest supreme novices hurdle in terms of the view to cheltenham. It's not all about cheltenham. Does the dublin racing festival and all that but look chins a big big deal so if you're going to be getting involved in the anti post market and if you running in the royal bond that suggests that he would be going for the supreme yeah just price will contract if he goes in dots up in that as well big time. Big time I think it just took him a little bit of time to get his act together Speaking of the chew park stowed did again this time. Another short price favourite for coordinated fans want to sixteen really should have listened to the pronunciation of this beforehand. Is it possible for to to. If i turn this up loud enough will siri play and and do the reading for me will use siri. Can you do that for me can you dictate no. She's messing me round. No she's not going to so quick saulius in the midst collects hurdle down royle twelve forty. Just the twenty links. He wins by how much we've learned about him but he was impressive. Loved him yeah. Rainy really was was quite take with the race wasn't fantastic. But just him. As a whole in general i thought he was the olsen Beautiful as fast lines holes for a three year old as well. But i guess to be fed. Nothing in this field really looked like three zero. There will fairly decent size but he really was a out. And i always do this and i think to myself. Do i just think that this is better looking. Because i know he's a one to sixteen shots But i honestly think he is a gorgeous looking whole without regardless of what priciest He thought the best mover in the well though he has he hasn't got a big stride for a cool a tool so i wouldn't like to see him on quick ground i'd i think but soft conditions looked ideal for him and he just had the loveliest way of going about his business. Yeah disease pray thousand front jumping really well and was really clever for such a young holes to just instead of a style. His huddles i mean. Yeah these clearly wasn't a great race because he was hacking in front. I'm almost still managing to get tailed off with half a mile to guy and without really pressing on. He managed to bed round his rivals. Off of a steady pace so it was easy arrays as he could have hoped full so probably head to ferry house now to take on the other radio. Likable looking type. In zawahiri from gordon elliott yard who won his huddling debut nice at bollandbranch dot senate matchup by radio. These going to be tested fall taking on a whole site that at But yeah everything about him. I just really liked what he went via business sir. Can you pronounce his name correctly. I please even series given up. Are you serious. Are you seriously just like going. Nah i'm not doing a areas. I'm not i'm not responding to your commands. Really my do pay for this. She's actually not doing it. She's straight out refusing on strike. This is making me feel like two thousand one space. Odyssey two thousand. I think you'll series on furlough. Currently in fact. I just do that. Open the pod bay doors. Wait apologies so sorry. I know what's wrong. I know what's wrong policy on silent. Hey siri open the pod. Bay doors have opened by now. She gets fed up of that question because people keep asking siri. Can you please pronounce the name of the gordon elliott horse. Thank you very much apologies. I've updated the hardware to are very fancy broadcast and The ipod is connected directly to it via bluetooth. So that's why we aren't hearing there. You go that's some boring tiktok and cookie crazy. Tiktok on the final furlong podcasts. Next destination made his debut for paul nicholls at whether it be in the bed. Three six five the great to i thought it was a fine comeback after a long long time off the track but it was all ruksana. So my question to you. K- tracy is first of all. What would you do with roxana. Can she be a big player in the stairs. Division this season and next destination. Would you stay over hurdles or is chasing on the agenda. I'm not sure about next estimation Yeah i mean to be happy. If he gets annoyed thought the by he's had a long lay-off there very long. Layoff philo of the next destination and he did from well say and it is an open division. Isn't it the saying huddle division for the time hill now dropping into it but yet to be honest to the i actually probably would keep him over hurdles for at least another run anyway and just see because it because it's such an open division robin sending him chasing just yet For ruksana. I think she is definitely stumps oakley minutes. I think he's a very very impressive. And i think that she could go. Runs wins. along won't huddle yet. We end december. So you go down that route. Good on the usual routes But everything about have fully relate to our love. I'm loving these riots. Harry scouted is giving his hold up horses of salted. blassie like to deer. If you remember. But everything was almost getting spencer treatment but over jumps was just wild and harry's been seem to really good effect doing the saying the past couple of weeks now and that was the case again with roxana. She was held up traveling soil. Under harris kaos keep a covid off as long as possible. She landed to harry to center a business. Or lovely. Strident lives pinned. She such a funny and hawed demand because the more pressure. Harry put on the more aggressive. She was guessing and you can see the whole to mean a change right back against her toes stuck straight out behind nelson resistance but in just fresh wellness and at being determined for pressure and in my head i think she's a proper man at home i think she she goes to bid if that streak about and you could see that that might well be the case because even when harry's coast and passer after the line she pinned her is bucket him just bearing had teeth and i just love because i just think it shows. She's a she has. That ring called the acid with almost the mole grief. You give her the more she'll respond for you and she was getting out of the way but she still fairly at her rivals. He ran as we expected really. And we will may be feeding a bit. Hauch of how dismissive we were a listener. Scott stands held a win and that we might be and so seeing the horse by sending him off at nine to two four this race but rule. It looked like a very. i mean. It wasn't very good training. Full misfire becca is to get this full confidence back huddles lassie than and to deal with his ulcers as well but you dozing of ceos handle. This year was wasn't a great race really with peyton disappointing Probably putting quite kindly. And i have to say it looks listening. Girl skirts run. Probably not that dissimilar level hair but back in a properly run race with the main protagonist firing. And i think he finished just about way you would have imagined especially with rebecca Started this season very well as well. So i think he's probably runabout right which puts ruksana right in the mix so you would take her seriously as a Contender but at the same time we need to consider the fact that paisley park should be back to full fitness. And if so he can once again be king. Maybe yeah we. We'll talk more about that on monday. Show it's a i really want to. I really want to tell you about monday. Show but let's focus on the fact that the breeders cup sponsoring the final furlong. Podcast the breeders cup or sponsoring the final furlong podcasts. Do you know how much that means to me. It's an it's all down to you and that includes uk but it's to you our listeners. Who are just incredible and And thank you so much. So i'm really looking forward to that. And i'm looking forward to it as well. Just interviewed eight and o'brien today. And i should say tweeted this out but If you if you don't know just as a teaser. For the raiders preview so he speaks indeed. there's naomi actually the who is part of the breeders cup final furlan podcast team Sending me what's up message about wednesday's show so we're recording at eight pm on wednesday irish time Pierre charles budo we'll be writing mogul which is an exclusive for me and the final furlong podcast and thank you very much brian for his time. So you'll hear the full interview on wednesday. He goes through all of the horses that he's running the breeders cup Including a couple of days trying to get in there not quite eligible yet but they might be able to sneak in And and he goes in depth into into the worse and yet does there's a lot to be learned from aden so you'll hear that on on wednesday show. I can tell you now that pierre-charles budo rides mogul and ryan moore will be on board magical and whether it's our last start or not aden can't confirm but you'll hear the full interview wednesday show alongside peter four natale naomi tucker and barry faulkner briefly re-glue core just a legend twelve years of age. When's the next cup at ascot. The conditions weren't exactly it was soft ground. But what a hero for anthony. Honeyball and richie mclernon another jp. He's a king's theatre. He's beaten the big gambler day. In in what more I thought might by for a second was going to cause a bit of an upset here but Regal we'll just singly sum this up legend. That's probably the best rates up loves oscar twelve years old great draining full of santini. Honey boo was saying thatt's while his wife ride smoothie time saying that he was flying he was an easing off a few weeks ago. They gave him a bit of time off. Gassing mandated said basically us about tells came back to full thought he was going to need the run and he is fascinated away on sorry pays for the honey team have a momentus day of fantastic day and for ritchie mclennan. As well because richie. He's just he. He's one of those jockeys were he. Probably just bubbles on the surface but most people watching on because he's not sort of outwardly showy and things like that but he loves his horses ritchie. Just if you follow him on social media. He's always putting up instagram stories. All host is rolling or him fussing holes and captions you know the nickname he genuinely is appropriate proper pass and say and you can just see how much it means to him. He doesn't take any single win for granted so yeah it was just it was a fantastic result radiating face. He's also done good jockey to be fair to him. So i'm delighted for him Well onto him. The connections of more must have been going on dang it Queens the other way around hanging all over the place yes true. True enough true point on twitter. I know you're keen to briefly. Touch on queens brooke so brooke has been beaten in the mayor's race on the friday this was the grade three mares novice hurdle she was sent off. Shore press favorite John joseph hanlon fairplay to him jodi mcgarvy sixty six to one shots sky. Ace causes an upset daughter westerner but you still like this daughter of chirac. Oh queens brooklyn yeah. I really like. I love her attitude and nothing. People always get pulses like this very bum rap because they've gone off at the sixty five favorite. They've been very well supported. It looked like a golden opportunity for has to go get her second wind. I've had this was only a second saul. So he huddles yes. It was a great remez notices. But i just love her shoot. I think Soft conditions ova. The and i do. She'll be winning more races this season than sky as i don't want to take anything away from the winner because they you know he's want grade free but she was perhaps rewarded for the fact apps. They have gone pretty soon the race from from quite way and she was able to pick up the pieces and they were getting tired of the hill. But queens attitude is just something that really cool me on first half assed dot this season over hurdles. You just will not by an echo. The two moths to seven favourite. So people are going to creep up because of a price prices but she's definitely not done with winning races final two races. We're going to talk about our bumpers. And it involves jamie cod and that man gordon. Elliot's yet again at down. Royal kennedy energy looks like a galloper more than a horse who's got a rapid turn foes boss sometimes. That's the kind of course that you need for the champion bumper and don't wanna get too carried away because as you said earlier on we never get carried away on the final count on the back of one performance but he's by eight links From the horse who is quite well fancied in the marcus and again we've made this point before on the show when you have a big stable who are supporting horse into shore price. It's sometimes you an awful lot when the horse was going off at eleven takes against chemical energy. That's telling you that they refounded horse and they've been spanked. So how good is chemical energy in your eyes right now. Yeah call up to me to be weighing and we fed but i did like on eagles wings the second host in his race though and you know on the yoting soft ground sadat flemensfirth to come into this race on the back of the was it. Five bumper starts to wins. Go for the hat trick. And then the chemical energy in the second of his thoughts following pretty much routing as well. On on rules davey there ross commonwealth eight to eleven favoritism go and do is saying. Hey then naturally you have to. You have to be pretty taken by that. So i did. I liked everything about it. Of course it's early stages of these bumper Literally pipe the nature of the of the race itself. That's a very like performance looking forward to seeing him hopefully back up out as well. Derrick o'connor was on board surge gerard's when he won his point to point he beat a horse horse called manila's drama. He has then been ridden by jamie cod at down royal and one by just the fourteen links. He looks very exciting. Abusively bread By the late. Jeremy what a loss is out of an authorized mayor so not only. Jeremy has a great record of producing national resources. Particularly hard alerts Authorized will produce the stamina as well. Look this is just another excising recruit for chieveley park and gordon. Elliot's who michael leary stepping back. They're not going to have the quantity of course but they certainly will give gordon the quality and it looks as though if we don't get too carried away they found another star. Mia this is what. I'm saying about not getting carried away. Bumble hole is but ian. It's difficult not to get too carried away with this loud. As you say. Jeremy as i everything about jerry he doesn't have a saas stopover. Also which is over jeremy's all i've ever come across my time with hoses. That rules usually different who straightforward. I and easy to arrive little one sort of different conditions. All that just kind of miscellaneous to be honest to the which makes them really likeable training for positions. But yes gerald. of course. There was a lot of pressure going into this race on the back of that. Easy point davey and of course subsequently sold for four hundred thousand pounds. John resemble ceo last year. So horse put straight into your tracker of all five this for this bumper and he again. He is not the one who in the ice age is always thinking to myself. He is quite a show stride for big holes again. So i was thinking to myself just like a quick so whatever. His name is don't get areas again you know. He may not want quick round again. But then the father he wha- the longer historic gone on when he was asked i loved the way he lengthened so whether he just takes a bit of warming up or whether it was just because of slow pace early on that he had short stride. I'm not entirely sure yet. But the quick. The pace when's Or the therapists. He should get going forward. Then i think he would be to besser effects and of course it wasn't the strongest bumped him to be both alphen and you can see that every time jamie code took a pullouts. Many took a palazina swinging to the straight and he really latched onto the broader. Then for the first time in the race ralian he just transformed into the to to fall. Show all of a sudden and he just powered away. It was easily doing his best work at the line. Which is something you love to say so you have really quite taken by in that. Just the fact that he's very laid back but his sued. A jamie called engage sports mood. He trusts like a different animal. So let's not get too carried away but he wins everything basically no look. I think what's interesting here is that we still have willie mullins sources of commission. We saw some already. Gordon is clearly got a very strong early hand with his bumper horses. And it's going to be fascinating to see where he places them particularly around the festive periods. you know we've got those very valuable leopardstown bumpers. That can be very very informative. But there's also the ones up north as well so we need to keep an eye on where the horses go and we may very well be seeing the chiefly park holders carts success in the champion bumper yet again. If we go to our talking points colin keen is confirmed. The flat season's not over yet. But jane foley can't catch him. They both had to the breeders cup and for the first time. Since twenty seventeen colon keen is the twenty twenty irish flat champion jockey. It is quite remarkable that he's managed to do this because at one stage. Shane fully built up a fairly hefty lead over him. And and yeah. It's keen who was forced to forfeit fourteen days of action because remember he went over to ride in the sussex stakes to partner assist. Can he's managed to pull it back and look he. Seems like a lovely guy He's had an incredible year. It's been a fascinating battle between both of them. And i think it's nice that it's wrapped up now and that we know it's done. They're both good friends. It's a little bit like ruby bowery and an ap you good friends off track They would always celebrate each other's winds after a race but deadly rivals on the track. And it's the same for these two. They're good friends off the track but they were really going for it. And considering the amount of grounds the colin keen to make up It's interesting the aidan. O'brien stepped in and gave him a hand But it's also very interesting that that that culkeen has managed to be able to to put back and you know for the last two years we should remember that the champion jockeys been done. Go broin This is done because i season training. So we've done out of the way and Collins been able to get his title back since two thousand seventeen so Look he's a brilliant jockey shane. Foley's berlin schalke. The both heads the breeders cup. They both have excitement there. But let's face it. They're both very very talented jockeys either. One of them would have been deserving of the title but for calling keen to have to achieve. Twenty house is quite remarkable and he is deserving champion definitely and. I think it's so right the point that you make that at least we know it's wrapped up now so he can go enjoy the brightest cop. No that calling king's champion sort of yeah and as you say being friends and it was a great vessel wasn't at the end when we were talking about this a few weeks ago on the podcast that Basically at that time it looked like the british championship but pretty much so not the sheen sign but the irish trophy championship will still wide open. Those only a handful of wins between energy. Say the the distance that calling keen hatchet while the the number that calling hat to make up from having to quarantine to rise this going over in the sussex stakes was. Yeah it was always going to to take a toll and jane rightly so managed to capitalize on that Fantastically and you just kinda fell that getting into the olsen clinton was favorite muccio sonning. Cedeno brian supporting him. More more say. And but the fact that jesse harrington is very good come the awesome and we know that with that huff lot horses outright until the end of the season. And you just gonna fool it with shane. Cody that might just be enough for him to radio. Really put the pressure on their if not win it himself at towards the back end of the season but yet so it was. It was a great toss. Oh to the end and as you say both for either would have been very deserved. When is the championship. And i know lots of people don't like the jockey championship the train championship. They're not interested in it. They think it's pointless. But i enjoy it and i think it's good for racing to have these sort of you know subdivision of contests in these competitions where you can add in the rivalry because in racing is very much an individual school. So when you actually have almost head-to-head it adds another dimension to school in hoses tons. We saw it without to your and sundays. Aren't we touched upon episode of his show. It's something that the media can really drive racing full its website. I thought it was great. End to the season and two tastic jockeys who've had brilliant seasons themselves in a complete topsy turvy year and Ballydoyle as well. We're talking about sauce to the season that may be shaming sonoma. Be in line for the new title as well. We thinking he would be a decent price but won't correct the record on that. I was saying that that it's a bit silly to say that he's going to be first jockey because lord and stairs well and therefore like eight and puts them on aden. We'll decide who he thinks is best for each or so. It's not necessarily guaranteed as to as to who's going to be sued like doesn't there's no real way of knowing who's number one. Yeah that's and it's foolish with ballydoyle. Catch up time and time again to issue. Which number one whole is based on said jockey bookings quote a few plot this season in general with wayne hilton. Shame me first exemplified. By the fact. That roy moore wrote japan and jimmy. Heffernan road magical to be af. I still think that's commercial reasons behind not agree with you. Yeah which makes it interesting. That roy moore's writing magical and pierre. Charles budo was writing moguls and i just wonder i wonder if that's to do with the fact. Peer charles budo got on so well with mogul and they're like let's keep partnership intact Speculation about cohen keen. But let's not dwell on that Colin keen set testing season so to as joe lines. They've both one classics orlands. They took the irish two thousand guineas with silken whatever about what he did afterwards. He's going to go to start in japan. It's a bit disappointing. He doesn't train on next season. But i suppose season became a bit disappointing. And they've won the irish oaks as well so I know that that's a cool more owned horse but the idea that irish racing is dominated by eight in the brain that knowingly. Not brian's little bollocks basically and not just goes to prove his and in terms of the jockey's championship. I was thinking i was looking back through through podcasts That i did earlier this year and into pat smullen earlier this year when lockdown began. And it's quite frightening to think that that was chatting to them then and that he was so kind with these time and again in that podcast he talks about what it meant to him to be champion jockey and how hard he he would work to be champion jockey or she murphy was recently on the show with is and he talked about it. Just how hard. He works To be champion jockey and how much she wants it. But the tony mccoy's his neighbor and he says he honestly does not think that he can be a tony mccoy that he wants to be the very best jockey that he can be. He wants to be the very best talent that he can be. He wants to to reach the peak of his ability but in terms of being champion jockey. It's important for them this year but whether he can sustain twenty years of being champion. Jockey like mccoy did. He's not sure that's something that he's going to be interested in so for for two nine times in a row. God rest to be champion jockey. Nine times is incredible Donna kaz out of the way. He's a trainer and colin. And shane foley. Sure we'll have an epic battle again next year of no doubt We were talking about this last week. About poll ferguson is in a lockdown area in liverpool. And it's I in a lockdown area in ireland. So we can travel any further than five k. And you're like you know. I'm fine ryan i said well it's coming for you. I didn't realize it was going to come this quickly. Second lockdown in england. So we need to talk about this from the perspective of what it means for racing. A looks as though racecourses are going to lose sixteen point five million pounds in meteorites payments from betting shops and that's only for one month The senior industry figures are saying that it will be about twelve point. Five million as a result of the closure betting shops just in england as a combination of the meteorites in the levy. so serious money has already gone into the game series. Money goes out of the game. now again I take covert very seriously and If i see somebody in the shop not wearing a face mask. I at them You know we do what we have to we. We wear a face masks. We use the burell wipes all that malarkey. But there's five thousand. Six hundred and eighty-one betting shops in the uk are now closed from thursday. And that's a huge blow the industry and it's a huge blow to those employers as well. What is your take on the latest lockdown. Yeah well he's just hit for all of us is and luckily there are far bigger brain a more intelligent more powerful people who at the head of racing to be able to to think of a way that race income says she say out they stotts and the money is going to cost racing in meteorites. Embrace courses in meteorites is astronomical for a month as well is ray schools is a struggling enough to sustain themselves without welcoming race goes in without the hospitality which provides such an important income without being able to now open up the race. Schools is even full away from race day for the likes of new brooding. The pub in the paddock ole news. Now but they have christmas. Fez booked and boots has other things that generate money so we. They've lost that. They've also meteorites. They've lost the race. Goes coming into the coast. And it's just it's i'm sorry oxley. What for war but make their away from the yes as pasta my other job that and that was a big a bit of a concern and we were discussing this the other day on the radio as well that showed to william hill radio. Show it to you like you do a great job there show them thanks nights a william hill radio and we were discussing the of the day and They're fantastic organization really trying to look after their own within this and we have a cracking broadcast team up. Leads been down for a long time themselves of they have fish studio up fast. The radio the tv and everyone who walks on the desk barend of that was a big concern than about with the retail shops. Being shot down. What does that then mean for. broadcast team as well in the shops. But luckily there are so many inches of people out that with these other reason. And there's a bit of a campaign that's being pushed out that after trying to get any of the usual retail audience trying to get them online providing the content they would be guessing in the in the shops then online trying to boost that bigger and better than ever say were hoping to see a spike in tons of listenership in terms of you ship. Then on our tv's well and hopefully just to try and provide that platform that we've already got in place to continue obviously filling in wiggle the restrictions that need to be so people have got to come up with these new ways they have to and it's easier said than done but people have to come through with these new ways to try and survive because you say the amount of money that we're currently losing out on. I will go into lee's father out on with this. New lockdown is just astronomical speaking of adapting. Carl brooks are leaving the betting ring. They're out they have a step aside from the betting ring. They've they've just got rid of old of their of their pitches and it's it's a big story It kind of like. I look at the betting ring and i know people who are independent bookmakers in ireland and in the uk. And i know they're extremely frustrated and this was before the pandemic and pre pandemic there were some of them who were telling me that they weren't turning up to normal days races in the uk and in ireland turning up to the big days and it costs a lot of mali's have to have a pitch. When i go racing. And i'm having mike five espressos and five sugars in large mug and i'm looking around Honestly the betting ring is is a ghost town. There's obviously some people there but it's it's nowhere near as busy as it used to be hark back. There's establish of god's wisdom of big mac and nobody did it better than him. Whatever you thought of him. He was brilliant at selling the betting ring and a talking to bookmakers there and that talking to punters there as well and telling them to get off you know getting your fool and these people who are trying to get themselves on on channel four. But he would he would speak with. Bookmakers like freddie williams. Another another legend. God rest him and the epic bottles that he used to have which minus. That's just not how it's done anymore. I'm sorry but it is. And and and i'm not saying this to insult independent bookmakers and when all of this is over whenever it is look kate and i don't know you don't know the government don't know which is more worrying None of us know. Which is why i say. This is not the fault of the vha. And it's not the fault of the hiv your right because they've gotta take directive from the governments and if the government can't give you a proper directive as to what's going on then what do you do but when you look at the betting ring. It's not as active as it used to be. It wasn't as active as it used to be before the pandemic kicked in. And you look around when you're in the bar like if you're in the bar at the curragh or you're in the bar at leopardstown Or in sundown for example and on having my five espressos and five sugars with lots of milk. Thank you very much. And this people on their phones and they're using their phones to bet with whichever betting company it is that they choose to with. They're going to the tote window there on fair And that's how they're placing their pets and if you're betting with the sports betting company who and let's let's be about it. There are plenty of sports betting companies. Who are only interested in the five pound punter. And if you're the amount of people who've been in touch with me and i got a bollocking for doing a podcast bows account closures. bought it needed to be done And this is my show. I'm the only person who owns the final from a podcast is me And my cousin highlighted the battle against pharmacies. And like when i hear bookmakers crying who tease. Oh we screw you. They're addictive machines that shouldn't exist in the first place and thankfully they're not in ireland and they never will be but when you look at the betting ring and you look at what people are doing the racecourses people still want to go racing. There's still want to experience the race day. You want to go with cure on and get dressed up and we can all meet up and hopefully we won't have to wear face masks and we can have the crack but did the three of us want to go down to the ring. Did the three of us wanna get drenched there. When i can do a bed on my phone or a friend. Juror nieve or kiera can do on their phone. And they're going to get guaranteed odds. They'll get first-past-the-post. You don't get that with an encore bookmaker and the sp system has changed now. Because it's had to adapt during lockdown. So there's a couple of things that have happened during lockdown first of all. It's manic eight. It's caused an increase in depression. That's why we did that. Special show would kevin tobin. And i'm still getting reaction to that and thank you very much for all the kind words about it. That's all kevin tillman's work demand as a hero and him opening up in the way that he did has has saved or at least helped a lot of people. If you haven't listened to it strongly recommended either. It's not an easy. Listen listen to us. But it's also sped up technology and technological development. People who weren't listening to podcasts. Are listening to podcasts. Now that's why. I think it's a great thing that nick look is doing a podcast show because it validates this former us you know it it makes if nick look is doing a podcast and you go and listen to us. The show. That comes up next to us. Recommended is the final foreign podcast. If you listen to the final furlan podcast. The show that comes up next to it is recommended. Is the nikola podcast like it. It validates this market. Joe rogan just signed the two hundred million dollar deal. Spotify technology is taking over. We're telling our televisions water. Watch when we watch not the other way around. And it's the same bedding. There are betting companies will close you down if you bet on a ten to one shot and it gets cut into fives and loses and they will just close you anyway. Because they'll go you're savvy and we don't want savvy customers but there are betting companies who will let you. Bess and there are betting companies. Who will who will allow you to to place bets. And the betting ring. It's just i look at it. And i think of big mac in there in amongst thousands of people and it's an astrologer it's the nostalgia of this and when i go racing. I don't see as many people there when we're allowed. I don't see as many people there in the betting ring as there used to be and i don't ever really see it going back to this because betterer huge player markets are coming into the market as well and there's massive online players. There's the toast there's so many others. And if independent bookmakers wants to have their pitches than they should be entitled to do that and do their business and if you if you want to do that by all means do. But i don't see how it lasts. It is just going to be whether you like it or not. It's going to be an evolution. The game which will be sad for some but it is going to be an evolution of the game. I think and there's no way of getting around that. Yeah you say this was coming for a while wasn't an end. The pandemic is basically just spent this often with the changing way. The sp's the device as well now. Being of course of state previously was with bookies their own calls than that is not truly a changed. The thing itself does now obviously. We're seeing all favorites schulte on all longer prices longer as well. So it's it's literally changing the game as we every day even on the phone and those always fair that the bookies the bookies pitches on course was going to be a bit of a dying trade. Because it's so easy now and phone. And i know those control. See their last season over ray. School is trying to stop race. Go from betting on the phones at bonhams. The ad you remember that in the rain could only use certain bookmakers sites. Yeah yeah there was sort of control that you can take away people's freedom people going to go to them. They should be asked about how they won. Robin being told you can call and do this. And you have to cash in person down whichever and people have been trying to keep. The book is on course with pitches for for a while. Now because everyone seen the inevitable is going to happen. And i think it was a umass. Your time for these pitches was sold fairplay to john. Hooper who trades on post as said who the for buying up. Dvd's pitches as all because he has said that basically. He's hoping that he's going to pick up. The walls is cheap and is hoping that maybe in a year and a couple of years time. This is going to do a full Bookies pitch is going to be popular again because of that nostalgia feel that people long for when they go racing. That is what was going to be a boutique. Kana know sort of thing to have on cost as part of your race say which it is is five the racing experience on. It's something i do a lot of hospitality hosting as they naturally asserts courses when you have people in the restaurants and sought like people who come through. They don't wanna get up. You know they have it on the and then why at ascot. When ruling front's restaurants at one end of the building would they won't war. announce new age length of the cruise ship to go and get down to the bookies can get just as decent prices on this. I eat. i'm sorry to cut across you. But you know this is the thing about the sodas that you can control the fries but if the if the if the pool is deep enough you have if you're sitting in that restaurant. Let's say somebody from the tone is going to be walking around with a mobile device to take your bet. Yeah oh yeah exactly outside the fees of it the very thing yet but for the type soon suman fronts with the prime mutual like is there as well so it's it's an uphill battle for for the pitches best to that man Sometimes when you go against the crowd you succeed. And that's the way of doing is But technology is taking over. And i just i fear for the wedding ring i really do. I enjoy the betting ring experience. Enjoy the cracks that that's their It can be it can be manic. It can be chaos. I was in the betting ring when any power won the champion hurdle. I didn't have a scent on her. But my friends did. And ruby walsh flying past as we're on the line at the edge of the betting ring and the sheer power that you felt as he went past on her with something else i was on parole nichols canyon Who run a mighty race to third but the lots were going nuts. In the betting ring was going nuts and i knew it was crazy. I'm sorry i don't see it that way anymore. I just don't and i hope we're back on course soon but i don't know when that's going to happen. And i i made a prediction on the show a couple of months ago. That the next time we'll be on course it was with carleen martin the next time. We'll be on course in the media capacity and as fans will be the dublin racing festival. I'm honestly not even sure. That's going to be the case now and i'm not trying to be a not trying to be captain. Bring down on the bus killers. Just i'm not going to patronize. Our audience unconcerned. How long are they saying. This lockdown lasts for in the uk. We have fall for wednesday night. It's all last night to freedom and then a month. Do you believe it's going to be a month. Oh gosh why ya. It's the same. It's the same in ireland we are. We've been put into a lockdown and it's extremely awkward and yeah. I doubt that will be coming out of it anytime soon. james given is the trainer to quit. He's picking up a coin welfare. Roll with the ha. So you've got james given quitting racing. Edvard has gone You also have chieveley. Park have announced that they are cutting their fleiss interest by twenty percents. Now this is really interesting. Because we've just talked about chiefly park. National hunters says the custom absolute fortune. And they are continuing to buy jumps stock and we know that they used to own cheat. The chiefly park colors used to be carried to victory in national hunt racing. Back in the day They then decided to focus on the flash boss. They have decided that they're going to cut back their flood interests by twenty percent. They are one of the most famous colors in racing. That's not a good sign. It's not a good sign. Jon dance and trevor hemmings. announce major reductions in the way that they are You've got michael leaving the sport. The rooney's leaving the sports and along with that english king just got sold for nine hundred and twenty five thousand guineas. So let's just say he's going for a million quid to australia. A new who got the better end of that deal. Well don't bjorn nielsen. And you know what else. I got a bit of stick for having to go at ed walker for saying to show him voice before the saint leger and the grumpy depari when they were trying to decide. Whether we're gonna run on that. I think he's paraphrasing. But he's quote was something to the effect of in fact. This was his quote. I still think. He's the best. Three year old middle distance horse in europe. And i said mate love once award. Love her your comments. And she wants a word He ends up getting thrashed in the ground. Per if bjorn nielsen. Who's a very intelligent owner. If he thought for one second that horse would win a group one in europe next season he would do one of two things he would cruelly move to john gosden who has had success with or he would keep him with ed walker and say right. Let's keep going and We'll get that group one. He knows right while he won't and he's got nearly a million quid for him on. That horse could end up being sir dragonfly and win great one on his first stars in australia. He could also end up being a. Us army ranger be a complete disaster. But this is what we're seeing now. We're seeing major owners cutback thankfully whether you like them or not coolmore and godolphin are going to war again at the sales and it's like the old days and they are spending lots of money at the top end but oh speaking to a uk couple uk trainers last week about the sales and they were saying that there was some dross there. And that's not the tattersalls fault. That's just that that's what was on offer. So how concerned are you that we're seeing horses headed for australia. And that we have yet more owners causing back in their flush interests. Yeah actually very concerned by that again. It was something that you thought. It was inevitable with the fact that the owners cussing back. It's something that we see ebbing flowing a lot of time. But it's been magnified by the pandemic mean not long ago. Rudy's cutouts of the national hunt horses with saying they would solely focused on the flats and we. This is something that we're always seeing Boggs out the minute when you have a big name again. Latino we talk this virus in time saying that they not only you are going to be very concerned in in the sense of australia and On common besides schleicher in japan buying up a lots of our horses for thiessen some money as well. I'm not really concerned about that. Because i think to. This is something that we could utilize advantage. When is the best. Breed is middle distance horses. 'cause i mean english king rudy he. He's not agreeable on horse. Over here is known about the money. He could win back in australia from one cinco race that he easily has the ability to beat because all Sorry say that we've already bashed them once on this show. But i'll betcha. Australians you're looking at the cox plate dominated by so what's his name russian camelot. He's a northern. He's trained in australia. But he's northern hemisphere bred. He's third armory is group to group three at best. He was very well written to be placed in the irish champion stakes. Well done in that occasion. He finishes second answer dragon. Who cool more didn't even retain an interest in wins the cox plate on his debut in on the facts of that yeah. I actually think that that's necessary. That much of a negative true that it looks like as you say that holds his being sold out these crazy money out but don't speak a high caliber of all breeding Of that's the way. I view at least anyway But yene tons the is but those a good story or a positive story. The today over the last few days about midland park actually seen an increase in membership today. Yeah which is fantastic for all that we all potentially losing some of ready recognizable figureheads at the top of ownership who are sort of solid tree. or independent owner likes john dance or chieveley park through the tv. Just thompsons all may. So we've all syndicates seem to be taking a life of their own at the minute and we've locked down being able to get the message outlet over what's indicate ownership can offer. You mean iron. Owners group that doing unbelievably well midland. Parks saved us. Release that story yesterday. It walls that they've actually seen an increase and only believe a couple of their members have expressed any- soups of concerns over the ownership involvement in middle midland parks. I i just think that this is another opportunity for racing to change evolve if anything to actually not seeing this as a negative bounce. The prize money is having such a negative impact on owners who are doing independently. Because obviously there's pros money's terrible. It's not be great on the back of the pandemic but it's it's been bad for a long time prior to that and some a whole other issue that i can't even get onto now i'll just go from one. Bought the fact that syndicate ownership it isn't about the prize money. No one goes join owners group expecting to make an obsolete meant. You're doing it for the love of that. The me as you say you talk about. In our last subject that people going align and using technologies. their advantage is being one of the positives to take out of this pandemic that it's force everyone to do things online. And that's something. I've really noticed with syndicates and with a racing groups that they really focus on the online audience unbear- online interaction. And i think that it has seen. I haven't seen the figures. Yeah want to comment on any sort of specifics. But all breeding notice a boost the end syndicates sort of flooding my social media and things like that so yeah and so i just a just go. This is a golden opportunity to make the most of being online to actually boost that faucet bracing which in turn could very well bring more people into the gang which could reward us. in time. i liked the way. You've spun that around into a positive an eye on your right to. You're absolutely right. Sue because syndicates are a great thing obviously make sure you do your due diligence in the in the supreme racing situation but there are some brilliantly run Pioneer racing dimension to the some great syndicates. That are run by genuine racing. Fans who who will look after you and we'll make sure that you have a good racing experience but look at look into it. Check it out and and see what's there. There's also value right now because horses are being sold for less than they should be. You were talking about the fact that clearly northern hemisphere horses are better than southern hemisphere horses when it comes to the middle distance anyway. And you're right about that however magic wand so she was bought for one point. Four million euro as a yearling by coolmore. Godolphin have subsequently bought her dubai. We have sister for one point. Six to five million euro. That was last year and she has been retired. She was ju- to ron now. We talked about. Actually and you said are really hope. They retire her because she doesn't look like she's in love with the game anymore and they learned that when they got to australia's so she's she's retired Great by she's been a proper globetrotter. She took three point seven million pounds in prize money and Her biggest victory came in australia in the mackinnon stakes. I don't know if you sold the cool. More breeding video that they did Which it's available for everybody to watch. It was a cool more australia breeding video and they they parade all of their top stallions and they look at the top mares and john magner features heavily as well and he talks about justify and how heavily he believes in him as a potential stallion. And how heavily they're investing. Well she's going to justify but here's what's interesting. She's going to justify at the hunter valley cool morals hunter valley base which means that magic ones foale or philly will be born in the southern hemisphere and be a southern fan hemisphere. horace now. How much more is that going to happen because if that does continue to happen then do we get to a point where we've been laughing and joking about how our middle with the exception of alinksy are middle. Distance sources are far superior to the australian ones but maybe that could potentially change if horses like magic wand breeding down under and giving birth down under and having southern hemisphere. We'll have to wait and see how that works ash But look i just thought that was an interesting talking points at in Two final ones. And then we're done The new one we had in the old days of the final furlong podcast. We had a a lot of a lot of Sick by county type laughs with the new one I always said he was a great horse. Just that you know. He was always a nearly horse in the champion hurdle and i would have loved them to run the stairs. Lenny's prime but whatever you you think of utmost respect for nitrous davis utmost respect for for his owners. He won them a million pounds in prize. Money he took the the neptune certa cheltenham which is what people then assumed would make him a champion hurdler. He won the two thousand fourteen aintree hurdle as well and he was the king of haydock. He took four champion hurdle. Haydock park trials and i remember one of them was a really hard fought battle and sam. Tristen davis called them a horse horse of dreams. He passed away. He'd been retired but he passed away. Because colic colic is deadly and horses can be very looking to overcome us. He deserved a long and happy retirements books. He will be remembered by his fans as a as a as an impeccable model of consistency and very very fondly and rightly so okay. Oh so much. Say when he say anyone who has anything to do a whole his will know wosa. Horrendous in colic is and it can just strike at any time for no apparent reason. And you explain what is yes. It color is a twisted of that. But is a twisting of the gods who says cons be sick basically said if anything upsets stomach if the routine shit any base give anything upsets them that some sort of tying not substantially and. There's nothing they can do about it. You have to try and catch it in time Often it needs to surgery of is very complicated their intestines of card round baolong the berry berry berry lock and it's a very very complex but Have suffered with me my own holes. He will get out so call. Give his routine changed and that him another subject we would touching on so the argument to keep bracing carrying on now behind closed doors. Because you call. Just take a racehorse from being fully fit to absolute nothing because call. It can come on at any time. And that's one of the things that cools the of see. I have no idea what's happened to vanu. Almost calls it a tool but i'm just on. I'm so gussied. Full his everyone that was associated to him. And and the latino looked after. Ms well who wayne jones who people i mean you. You'd recognize him everywhere in the everyone was saying from davis's thought he literally looked after him like king from the day he got to niger. Twist davis's yod until he day he retired and he's a he was just. He was a cracking Haydock win at cheated. Bello was wrong. The absolute war of attrition. Yeah he just thought he was going to come off second-best and the way he he just had that so that that little he's he seemed to me like kweisi smooth seem quite Audie and always tiny off in those talk quality hurdles and winning time at haydock and yeah just finding some of the highest grade company that bid to hope but he was always that if his running and he was fantastic rules for tires healthy and then it was just such a bad case as you say he deserves a really long and half year retirement unfortunately he should have been taken to sued. It's particularly when you hear Kate harrington who again for places tecate for coming on the show but when you hear her talk about sizing john and Jesse made the decision that if there was ever another issue with sizing john that was it they were calling today and i was saying how much of that because there are plenty of people who would just persist and keep going and i was asking you. You know what happens with them now. She says oh. I'm delighted he's mine. He's staying with me. So he's he's now cates horse and when she walks out in the morning and the first store she seizes sizing john and she'll look after him for the rest of his life and hopefully he will have a very long and happy retirement. Hurricane fly in his to still still having their long happy retirements. It's a shame that he didn't get to enjoy his one. And it just makes you appreciate these horses even more Sympathies to samson davis. All joking aside when we when we were taking the piss. It was always about the champion. Hurdle yeah. This is the year he'll do it Put at aintree at haydock. He was a weapon and Brilliantly campaigned by by. I would've loved to have seen him in the stairs but over a million pounds in prize money Absolutely genius and what. A horse to kickstart davis's career water horse to kickstart his career. Speaking of incredible horses in our final subject. Apple's jade so if you wanted proof that michael leary is out of racing apples. Jade is being sold now. Michael o'leary has a very successful operation. operation has produced horses the caliber of pink dogwood. But they are not sticking around. They are leaving and She's currently in fold to walk in the park. She will be sold at golf's december national hunt sale and she's cataloged as lot five one five on the second and final day of the sale in december tenth. So should we get a gofundme going k. To do a final four podcast bid for apple's jade and her walk in the park foale and Do a syndicate introduce a ton with your bank account as well. That'd be much appreciate it. Yes alien can put the money in our bank account and then we'll screw alien over by giving the horse to sarah lynam alien can rice stores. I guess making everyone happy. Everyone everyone wins. She was a tough mayor. Look things didn't go right last year plus Whoever she goes to a little bit like any power or being full to to galileo like being unfolds walk in the park is is a big deal. and someone's gonna pay a lot of money to get their hands on her. Yeah definitely gonna pay especially. Because i mean she's an eight-year-old retires as an eight year old and it was something also few weeks ago about these kind of holiday mez. That don't necessarily make the best bruce mass because a to be decent samah. You'll have to have that lacking of marriage qualities if that makes sense you to be a bit brutish a bit hard. And they don't really make the best mommsen when they've had that many years of hard racing as well the top level song arenas a good example of that sort sol good example of that. Yes exactly yeah Yeah she had already time then she. She just didn't really produce anything of note she was like one of our lund's heroes. I'm one of the most exciting broodmares but didn't really produce anything of knows. Yeah a few of them. Just trying to backtrack my brain here to think Y'all she had a horrendous time with her power. Offspring found is only produced one one offspring so far now that offspring is battleground. She's yeah she's been barron. I think five times so things have been jumping hers. Well it's it's a really good point kid. It's just it's an interesting one. Yeah it's just something in breed. Whereas i've always watched out for and that's that's a slight concern. I guess at the back of my mind to have been able with. How having the extra season this year. It wasn't the hottest but she's well run whose stage always had that kind of always up marriage quality about her and she was invincible. And that's why when she didn't look hustled than towards the back end of last season that i was happy to see her. Retied are is an eight year old before she starts to get into that read he so tough racing That may then implicate As abridgement going forward so they did the right thing at the time also maker more attractive proposition. bruce. And i imagine she's gonna make money whatever happens anyway at the sales but i thought that was a positive for her future career as breed math. Somebody is going to step in and somebody's going to make an awful also excitement. I hope that we see like a proper bidding war for her and and it leads to pretty exciting things but she was a really mayor. Willie mullins Lot of pressure on gordon. Remember when she she ran in the fighting fifth i think she fell at the last and then or was she just beaten on the line and then he made the brave decision to run in the grace like a week later and people were yelling at him. Going into the race coursing. How dare you do this this. She doesn't deserve that and then she goes. Winds and people are going up and hugging him. Saying you're a genius ridiculous by the way allied. It wasn't the subjects the irish field. Jim bolger did an interview with him and he had some pretty interesting comments to make The i strongly recommend that you read this. So rory obviously rights for the irish field and royal. Arche naps champion. Twenty twenty congratulations. And that's from his content in the irish field. Jim bolger said the number one problem than irish racing is drug testing and he demands of he has said that Irish racing has a problem with drug cheats. Who are now. This is the coats of jim bolger. So he said that the number one problem in racing is truck cheats who are stopping the sport from being a level playing field and he is cold on ours. Horseracing regulatory board tinted use more hair testing with immediate effects. Now i did a bit of research into this. And i spoke to some people who would know an awful lot more about this than i would. And what they said was the trainers at the very highest level in ireland including jim bolger. They're not people you need to concern yourself with. You don't need to be worried about them. Bought at the lower end of the scale where it's harder. You would be very naive to think. And i'm not accusing anybody. Let me make that very clear. These are comments from jim bolger in an interview with the street which is fascinating and i strongly recommend you read and comments from two people within the irish industry. Who said that at the lower end of the scale. You would be very naive to think that there is not certain things going on and you only have to look at the fact that howard johnson was thrown out of the game for doing some horrible things i believe what he was doing was essentially cutting off the the nerve endings which causes pain to horses Either way he was thrown out of the sport. Whatever for whatever reason he was thrown out of the sport for illicit activity mammals rooney was surprisingly fast surprisingly swiftly thrown out of the sport for engaging in illegal practices and He's now back in but Philip clinton had his license taken away and he was suspended for for to. So if you consider this way. Humans like ben. Johnson famously said of won the olympic gold medal. And they can't take it away from me and then a couple of weeks. They did exactly that because it turns out that he'd been pumped full of drugs And there's a number of other very high profile individuals who have been found to be doping lance armstrong being the most disgusting of the mall. Really when you think about what it was that he was doing and allies these holes and the lives that he attempted to destroy In telling all those lies so when you read. Jim bolger's comments. What's your initial reaction kate o. Schulkin originally just him to be speaking so openly about ozzy such a sensitive subjects off. No no names the toll in there but to to say about it. It's a massive issue in ireland is a very brave and something that needs to be taken deep deep pre seriously hair as well and and it's interesting because with the drug testing of racehorse is also not experienced it on a day to day basis in ireland too. but i've in this country the only time Who is have been tested is post race if they worn or if a formed Below paul or above expectation and that straightway she goes to the boxer horses has a urine sample taken or not blood sample taken and it's pretty speedy process then to get checks on the only one time. Do i know all the whole being found to have something suspicious in barra in system but that was Because of a associated enoch mishap at work that west west something Of one of the seibu person's belongings that she goes into his betting. Anyway it was. It was a complete innocent innocent situation but the whole yard went into lockdown was investigated thoroughly. And yeah it was. It was mad and everyone knew that those nothing untoward going on there so so they all vigorous when it comes to a positive sample showing up for sure but in day to day. is is appointed. Jim bolger is making lia that they should be sort of random testing and he's saying that he would happen to have any of his horses tested tomorrow morning have had some tape in there and then on. He guarantees that they would be clean and basically. That's not really the case for a loss of yards. He could he could say about. And it's it is interesting because if that's not going on if they're not doing the random testing which i've never i've never seen i've never experienced. It might klein walking race in the different laws than is going to be something that some people may want to take advantage of the men come race day. Woo have cleaned this off. Say for when they know that they will then be tested. So yeah. I think is huge point. That's very brace to acknowledge and saying that really needs addressing. Why isn't there runs toasting zone. I honestly i really don't if his mom allah if is because you saw i for it as a trainer of basically being bolden open to investigation and Onto retested at any point. So it's interesting this. There's really not and i mean it goes for you to around the jockeys and drug testing recently in the reason. Not france is being cited as having more positive tests because they testimony and the tests on the big days which they do over here and i was talking to a few of the stories on jackie. Time jin about this the other day saying why the front get more positive tests and they said well i can tell you my however many year career like being tested once in my entire career the drugs in the uk in the uk. The lady said it just never happens overhead and in france the lots of move for the big days said the only sign they get drug. Tested hit is a big day. Begovic fronts not truly riding on the big days there and so the more likely to be tested and they just test fall fall. Moreover in france than they do not they was fighting is the biggest reason as to why they have more positive. Cases showing up in fronts robin over here and yeah against holes in the yards for jockeys on the track for whichever we clearly just need more manpower all we eat away cup cool to realize actually because we're letting this slide we need to give it a kick up the all freely and to really put in a new protocol so she get more testing done so i think he's right to say it i think he's he's somebody very much wants to interview and he doesn't live that far away from you made that point before. So hopefully we'll make that happen I have an immense amount of respect for him There is a slight issue with it in that it casts a shadow over there are people who are on social media right now who are doing their tinfoil hat. Conspiracy theories about the us elections right. Which i will stay up all night to watch. And i'm fascinated about and Own purely from a financial interests I'm on the trump train. But believe me i do not like donald trump. I do not like what he stands for Cheeses christ the more you. Look into by god almighty. How could the dem's not find one person better than him anyway. Aside from going off in attendance tangent about that A there is going to be now more more questions asked on social media like barstool kind of stuff about oh about this trainer and that trainer. Wha what i was told was that the very highest level you have nothing to worry about right but that at the mid tier lower level. That's where and it's and it's it's a little bit like human athletes if you think about a human athletes who is striving for success and trying to succeed and and you suddenly see them all of a sudden improve out of nowhere and you're like where did that improvement come from and then subsequently reveals that oh actually That's why they've tested positive for something anywhere. There is the opportunity to make money. There's always going to be the opportunity for for wrongdoing I'm not going to name any names. Because as far as i know the racing post's have not done so but this is on. This was sent to me but one of the one of the people that was speaking with about this. This is available on british. Horseracing dot com. So it's public knowledge but for whatever reason it's not in the racing post i don't think at the time of recording didn't read us but there was an inquiry held as to why jockey who was declared to ride a horse failed to provide a urine sample and in fact failed to arrive on course and when the stewards wanted to contact him he was unavailable to be contacted by phone It was later revealed that he had been feeling unwell. And the neither has been forwarded to the head of the british racing for further consideration. Kate the optics of that are not good. Doesn't look at us two. Does it like you say just innocent until proven guilty for jesus. The optics of that are not good. Yeah i i was Amazed when he said that screen showed. I bet shoots inquiry that you say yet the optics do not look good at school. Innocent to proven guilty off so we have to be Castle of what we say about this but when you read the stewards report when it's public information Naturally people's assumptions are gonna go to place so hopefully we get it cleared off in the best way but when you routes. That doesn't look good for racing. No it doesn't do anybody any favors. So look i just hope that matter is cleared up and cleared up swiftly and And innocently and innocent is the head of my perry mason That i hope that the person in question is proven to be fine. Maybe look we're all feeling low and we're all feeling extremely tired And it may very well be a completely innocent case In which case then. I hope that that's how it works out but it's on the beach site. It doesn't look good We have been talking about the importance of the godolphin still and stable staff awards There are two nominations in particular that i would like to focus on these dodd staff award and the community award so the voting is counting down. The days are getting down to get the votes in. you gotta get them in quickly Get to your website. Which is stored and stable stuff. Awards dot co dot. Uk ford slash award dash categories. You can actually just go to stud and stable stuff in daca. uk that we've already talked about the importance of the fact that godolphin are supporting this along with racing in the racing post. It's being hosted virtually because in this crazy digital era We can't have Grandcolas chamber berlin job as he always does nick. Look is one of the chief judges These two nominations in particular though these two categories they're very important and i'd like to see more support and given to them so the staff award and the community award. Can you just briefly explain. Kate was put forward for an award before for this. How important these categories are oh massively each category of the has it so bra-tops house and is a source of Criteria i guess feel full session candidates and And as to why certain should be put forward but the stuff staff because everyone knows anything about racing knows how important industry literally key to the entire industry. Eight is due to have to put forward a nomination for that yet. Pizzo to the industry wants to be displaying that industry as confidently and as openly as possible with a fantastic sort of flag. Barragan behind it to be winning this award and the community award is something. I love every because that's the bullet that comes with all of these stories. That really are so hot woman. You wouldn't really hear them otherwise. The sore many stories. I never heard of and i'm so happy for the southern sable staff awards were able to highlight Sary's within the community of ways that racing and plus now embracing have been able to help out back communities around them and that has been highlighted by these awards so yet to very very important categories as all all of the categories for the awards. And we were talking about this pry. It's just something. I of love these woods and i think that's a key to racing because so often the job that gets lost in amongst all the praise and applaud Winners and you know the razzmatazz all the days in the championship base is the work of the suburbs Full disabled staff then behind the scenes and is getting better and better woods like these are raising the profile of the groom's and those that were behind the scenes more and more safe and yet it's just been tastic but i'm happy that it's really guessing the plaudits and the exposure that these awards deserve in terms of arlen. There's a reason that when edna brian is winning interview that he focuses on the amount of people who work back home at coolmore bellies oil and all the work that they do and names them by by person and He's one of the few trainers to do that. Paul nichols does it as well Harry for doing it on on this show. there's the reason he does that. It's not deflecting questions that he wants to praise the hard work that those people do so you can get involved and you can put forward or nominations. The two categories in particular that i. I'm intrigued by right now that i'd like to see more. Nominations coming forward for and to be fair. The nominations are up which is great but two in particular are the. I'll get there. I'll get there the stud stuff award and the community award. You literally have days seven days. Seven days left to get your votes in for these stud and stable stuff awards sponsored by godolphin seven days twenty hours two minutes and zero seconds as we record on monday. The second of november. It's going to mean a lot to to a lot of people just to be nominated. A mental advocate to be put forward for it so Do it seven days twenty hours. One minute and forty four seconds as we record the godolphin stable steph awards. Twenty twenty one. The entries closed on the tenth of november normally in the last forty eight hours. That's when they get ninety five percent of the entries in so they're very very keen that you please enter before that it will be much appreciated. It just makes their job easier. It's supported by godolphin the racing post racing tv and of course the british horseracing authority and the best of luck to all the nominees. The best look to the beach. Ha for doing a brilliant job as well on wednesday. The final fallen. Podcasts is doing are breeders cup preview this year. It's a keeneland and this year. We are officially sponsored by the thirty seventh breeders cup. It's a huge honour. 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Week 16 Recap: Old-School Seahawks Win the West, Packers Roll in the Snow | NFL Deep Dive

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Week 16 Recap: Old-School Seahawks Win the West, Packers Roll in the Snow | NFL Deep Dive

"Introducing built to last a new podcast by american express. I'm elaine well trough. And i'm excited to host debut season where we will be deep diving into the stories history and continued legacy of small businesses. That shape american culture through these important conversations will hear how the black business leaders are. Pass have inspired. Today's black owned small businesses and communities. Join us for the debut season of built to last on spotify apple youtube or wherever you get your favorite podcast. Hello and welcome to the m monday morning. Nfl podcast on your host gary gramling. I'm joined by jennie. Brenton of the weakside podcast jenny. We are. We are fifteen games into week. Sixteen here and in the show. We're going to talk about those games. Those first fifteen games but we're also going to take a terrifying look into the future and it's not even the oracle like on the weak side. Podcast no i would. I would steal the name. But i know connersville religious and i just don't want to take that risk so we're going to like is ever going to run through all the games year and we are going to where we can do our best to hit the playoff scenarios or in some cases to maybe the The the draft order implications because lord knows everybody loves talking draft order implications out there but we are starting in seattle where the seahawks the seahawks really turn back. The clock over the last like five or six weeks here. This is kind of back to back to sort of the you know. It's not legion of boom level defense. Isn't that good but stylistically. It's like they're winning. They're winning with defense and And more run heavy attack at this point and the let russ cook days of september. October of sort of I don't know we'll remember them fondly. But they're they're kind of not here anymore but This game was. I thought by far the best performance by the seahawks defense this year. And if you are going to be optimistic about this team going into january this is probably the game. You're gonna point to. Yeah i agree. Gary this was kind of one of those slug fest performances between the seahawks and the rams and there were just so many plays that showed up from a defensive perspective that the seahawks just hadn't been able to make in the early weeks of the season and when russ was cooking he had to cook because the defense wasn't making any stops. But you saw them. Getting consistent pressure on jared goff in the second half the goal line stand and setting up the goal line stand. Was that remarkable. Play by jamal adams to chase down malcolm brown To prevent him from getting in the end zone so there were just a number of occasions. Where the defense really stepped up and won the game for seattle which was something that early in the year. We wondered if would ever be possible yet. It was a it was really the formante pass russian. I guess we're kind of getting into the good of seattle and sort of the bad of the rams. Because i mean we talked about it on the show when andrew whitworth went down and if you look at jared goff historically he has really struggled when the offensive line has not been good in front of him and whether it was great seahawks pass rush or or crummy rams offensive line. The way this played out was jared. Goff was under constant siege in this one and he responded the way quite frankly that he's responded throughout his career to just not having good protection in front of him. Yeah when things are off schedule he really struggles and we saw that with that very ugly interception to quandary digs where it was unclear off was even throwing the ball and those are the kinds of plays that make you question his long-term future with the rams i mean they extended him and he you know helped lead the team to a super bowl appearance but there are just are continued questions. That pop up in terms of canvas quarterback. Do all the things you need him to do now. He has the thumb injury heading into week. Seventeen so there's a lot of questions moving forward for the rest of the season but also long-term questions. Is this the right quarterback for the rams yet and look. I don't wanna pick on. Jared goff too much and and we will get into The thumb just a little bit here that interception and correct me. if i'm wrong jenny. But when guys throw interceptions you can usually go back and say okay. This was a bad idea. But i understand why or okay this. This pass was off target. And that's why it happened cannot wrap my head around what happened on that. Play like he just and mitchell trubisky through on earlier in the afternoon where he sort of. He ran around from sideline to sideline and he tried to throw a jump ball among like eight guys in the end zone. But you can sorta get like okay. I get you. Were just trying to put up the jump ball and hoping you receiver makes a play and it was a terrible idea. But i understand the logic behind this. That golf interception. I don't. I don't see what could have been the thought process on it wasn't if it was in an accurate thrower inaccurate by just an alarming rate. I i don't know. I don't know what to say about it. Yeah it was hard to understand what he saw exactly on the play. And patrick mahomes for instance had an interception where you're like. Why did he throw that. But then you could see while he didn't see the defender and you kind of emerged from this massive bodies in the center of the field so sometimes okay. You can see in a split second. The quarterback makes the decision And might not seen the defender in position to make a plan the ball. But this was not back. Gary this was unclear exactly where he was trying to throw the ball. I also want to correct myself. I said that. Jamal adams made the saving touchdown-saving tackle on malcolm brown. But i believe the running back on a play was actually henderson. So i just wanted to clean that up i was gonna say i was gonna let that slide. Okay well i was very either crown on that series so it was a non cam. Akers running back in. I think either one of them could be fine. But yeah darrell henderson and got her plate which is a bummer for them and then obviously that greet goal line stand by the seahawks events but as far as golf goes. And we'll have an entire offseason. Talk that jared goff and lord knows we will but they are because of the contract kind of kind of locked in through twenty twenty one. That said i you know. I'm not sure what they'd be able to do. Besides get in on. Maybe the veteran trademark it at this point But right now if golf can't play week seventeen and he did play through what a right. Now is being reported as a fractured thumb. He did play through it late in the game. So i suppose you don't immediately write it off. But if he can't go. It seems to be john wolford. And i i'm i'm slightly ashamed to say i've seen a decent amount of john wolford because i am a syracuse grad and i watch a lot of bcc football and he was a wake forest guy a kind of a smallish is. He's probably around six feet kind of a run around guy But you know you're not talking you're not talking a russell type guy or cuyler athlete or something like that. He does want to play. Lean to the down. You wonder how he would. Function in a highly structured offense not a big arm talent guy and he he he was a he was an af star. He was an alliance of american football star for. I think it was the zona team there. That is the most detailed scouting reports of john. Wolford that i've ever heard gary jeff until about seven eastern time on sunday evening. I had no idea who the rams backup. Quarterback was and i looked it up. I was like oh john wolford. I know him as you were going to say. You knew him. From watching all the f. Games because that would have been but but but seeing the syracuse connection. I now understand so. Yeah aren't better off for this he towards syracuse at least once Which really is not saying much cause everyone towards that's his defense but As far as i goes it belongs the seahawks. They win the division. They still have a chance of the one seed which kind of blew my mind. I did not realize that going into the weekend. And and perhaps i should have had a more open mind going into this this wild seventeen field in the nfc and as far as the rams go they if they if they win against the cardinals which you know backup quarterback now it's a taller order. If they win they are in. If they lose they can still get in if the bears lose to the packers and we will talk about the sunday night game right now because again i thought the packers with a win would have clinched the one seed in the nfc but no they have something to play for next week. It is not over in the race for the v. Loan by in the in the nfc but the packers on sunday night football in the snow just kind of had their way with the titans in a game that it got close but it never really felt close and then in the end. It wasn't close. Yeah it was closed for a brief period of time but it became clear that the packers the home team was far more equipped to play in the snow and that is where the home field advantage would come in in the playoffs. You know we were talking about this. Year is a strange year. Because without fans for instance seattle the twelfth man is not a factor But a place like lambeau field where you could be. Playing in snowy conditions and the packers were clearly prepared to have a thriving offense in the snowy conditions. Which is not easy to do So that is where winning the number one seed and having everyone come through field because of the weather conditions there even without the fans Would be a major advantage for green bay. Yeah it was a and look theoretically the titans are built to win a game and that type of weather. You have eric henry. You have power run game But there's just so many said for having to play in that footing and the other show. In the telecast couple of times the the studs in in henry's cleats and derrick. Henry was not the problem in this game by by any means but he was not otherworldly. He did not carry this offense the way that he has some games and it is. It's a little bit different running with those studs in your shoes and and in the snow like that and the difference in this one was was the quarterback play quite frankly I mean ryan tannehill. Just had a Just sort of disastrous game. They were playing from behind for a while and we always wonder how we'll tannahill respond when he has to play from behind it. That's kind of the deal. With a lot of these quarterbacks in in the highly structured offenses jared goff bigger mayfield and and ryan tannehill and others kirk cousins We've been talking about that with him for years is when they fall behind. Can they rally. Can they bring you back and the answer was just sort of impact. No in this one not so you can't do it later but did not in this night and rodgers again. I mean it's it's years of playing these kinds of conditions and this wasn't a game where he went on through four hundred yards but when they did throw there's an efficiency to the passing game that just wasn't there for the titans. Yeah that's exactly right. There was a precision. It looked like the titans were almost tentative. On some of those early pass routes they were running and you know there was a brief period when the titans scored and you know it looked like they were pulling within striking range when they seemed like they were playing with confidence in the snow for a little bit. But that ultimately Did not persist. And you know you often hear with brady. He doesn't have to bad games in a row right. And that was the case with rogers even despite the snowing conditions. Whatever last week was kind of a blah win against the panthers and then he comes out with his dominant performance in the snow And he and davante adams are really just on another level as you're sorting through the mvp race which has been total roller coaster this year because it looked like russell wilson was going to run away with it for the first five weeks of the season. Josh allens also in the mix but now it looks like it's coming down to rogers mahomes and moms didn't have a good day and rodgers on sunday night. Football has tremendous performance. Yeah i thought that was not competitive coming into this week and now i think it's competitive. Homes was was the clear cut number one. In that race in mahomes had such a dud on sunday in and rodgers impressive in this game Yeah i hadn't even. I hadn't even looked at the final numbers for last night but Both quarterbacks twenty-six dropbacks rogers twenty one for twenty five to thirty one four touchdowns. He did throw one batter sections. So i if you're looking for flaws in that game that that would be it and tannehill on the other side eleven for twenty four takes two sacks and really that that play that brought them close was was that read option that ended up being just a straight shot. Forty five yard touchdown run for tannahill. Where the linebacker and adrian amos the safety on the play both just completely bit on the run and if you watch it. It's just kind of funny. Seeing amos comes up. And he stops for a second and looks at hanna hill and then goes back to attacking derrick henry and then realizes way too late that await tannehill ball and Tannehill runs for the touchdown. You wonder if there's some weirdness with the white uniforms and the snow falling and that sort of stuff but we don't have to. we don't have to break down the color schemes yet but yeah as far as as far as it goes and we should mention air jones limited in this one by a hip injury. I mean he was in there in the fourth quarter so i it couldn't have been too bad. He is going ten for ninety. Four dylan the second round rookie. Who the the much maligned. Second round pick ends up going twenty one for one twenty four and two touchdowns in the snow and yeah just just all around dominant performance for a packers team. That again. I mean you. You said jenny lambofield. The field itself in the field conditions is going to be a home field advantage. And you very much saw in this game. Yeah i thought that. Aj dylan it's really important to touch on that because you often here This time of year coaches say someone comes out of the blue and they afresh legs and they can be a big factor in a playoff run. I remember hearing that. When i covered the jets. Sean green was kind of lower on you know expected to be a starter but they brought in players like dain tomlinson late in the year. You have these younger guy with fresh legs. And that's exactly. What dylan was so you could foresee him being a big factor in this postseason. Run for the packers. And this was kind of Premonition of that. I'm a huge fresh legs. Guy and In the packers packers fans remembered. James starks buffalo zone. James starts in the last time they won. The superbowl was was the guy who kind of emerged in december. As just sort of guy he would just been on the shelf and then all of a sudden they get the postseason and he becomes a huge factor but much better example. Gary bend my harkening back to my early johnny. Ten sean green is a good one but James star to me. James will always be the epitome of fresh legs. Yeah that'll go on his. He's inscription on his busted. Canton or something like that. All right jenny hang on for one second. We'll have you back in a few but now it is time for the sl fantasy segment presented as always by draftkings michael fabiano of sl dot com slash fantasy and the sl fancy podcast babs championship. Week is in the book for most leagues here. I assume everyone went out and started branded allen and are now celebrating their their their championship. But it was a facet we actually l. I mean god. i hope. No one started raining allen if you did you are some sort of genius that probab- probably should replace both of us in our jobs but Let's start christmas. Night with alvin kamara. What what what's at seven touchdowns. I don't know why sean payton took him out of the game and used piecemeal there. I'll say this. I was eight championships. I played chimera on my team into. I'm going to win. Both of those. I played against him in three on losing all him. Like you know shop like once once a guy scores almost sixty points by himself. That's basically the production of three players. You're you're done your opponent would have to have three guys go under five points for you to have any shot. I mean so it was. It was fun performance to watch for me. It's like okay. Well it's good and bad. Because i'm playing on a playing against them. It is what it is. But i mean like the score six touchdowns and scored fifty six points in week. Sixteen when fantasy owners. Each of the most alvin kamara has gained a lot of fans of the fantasy community Because he singlehandedly. Gave them the gift of a fantasy football championship he He definitely deserves credit for that and ulc deserves credit for the fact that he did it in the first game of the week. And if you are playing like you were fabs. You didn't have to wait for you. Know what if that was a sunday night performance. I mean you would have been You intimated onto the show. This morning i talk about the sunday night performance because he's aj what the hell was that. I honestly man. Aaron jones just crushed so many including me in one of my leagues. I'm gonna lose because in part aaron jones did nothing me at twelve points but there were another thirty out there that aj dylan up. And i'll tell you what they. I don't think aaron jones gonna be on the patsies on here. I said that. When they drafted dylan eric jones a free agent. I mean are you going to use the tag on a running back. I don't know. But i would not be surprised if aj dylan is starting running back for the green bay packers in two thousand twenty one at air jones into somewhere else knows it could happen. I mean you. you don't spend a second round. Pick on a guy to have him sitting behind. Aaron jones of the who's going gonna get a long term contract. I mean joe you're totally jones's not getting a long term deal which is a question of today they do they figure out for a year here. I mean he's a good young back but and it's funny to remember. Last year he had just a massive season got into the end zone. Believe it was one thousand nine hundred times and everyone in the fantasy industry was screaming regression and he started the season off on fire. And i was like wow. I can't believe this. But then it all went downhill from there. Well we we still have some weirdoes out there who play week seventeen boy i. I have to pat myself on the back briefly. I did just win. These sports illustrated league for the second time in three years. Designed to tyler. Murrieta saturday performance. And all my colleagues we do. And i've talked about this on the show before in the past and nobody really cares but Minor leagues we do play through sixteen or regular season and you the playoff redraft league with the teams who finished top six or in the sixteen team league top seven so if you are in one of those leagues you still have work to do in the playoffs and the good thing is that. That's going to be here every week during the playoffs. To help you out and get your team. Ready for For all that but again some you play week seventeen. I don't recommend it fabs. I don't know if you have thought it but we will run through the waiver wire. it's just i mean. Kansas city is the perfect example. They're not gonna play anybody. You're gonna lose mahomes you're gonna lose kelsey you're gonna lose tyreek You're gonna lose levy bell. Although somewhat argue that he never was there to begin with that was a disaster for him. So we'll go through some of the positions here. You wanna start off with the quarterbacks. Yeah let's go quarterbacks. Kirk cousins has got the lions. He's been very good for the last month. Plus philip rivers. The colts need to win. They've got the jaguars trubisky span. Really good i mean i. I don't know if he's if he's earned himself Starting gig there in chicago next year or the bears are gonna end you know. Bring him back. But i mean they're winning games with me at it but the match up's not great. He's got the packers coming up. I dare cards. Got the broncos is traditionally. He hasn't done great against denver. But it's week seventeen. And then i can't believe i'm saying this though any dull the hell of that come from. I mean any the qb three right now this week. It's unbelievable like everyone was talking to. My jalen hurts. The only thing that hurts was my chances of winning the championship. I started that guy right. It means the qb fifteen like now gets the cowboys if he he looked like a rookie mean he is but he was so good. The first couple of weeks massive disappointment but may also got the giants and the cowboy. It i'm like a loss for words. I don't wanna make the playoffs. I wanna hydro epic because we're not going to get our butts handed to us if if we get the playoffs. We being the cowboys. Because if you've been listening to this show for the last seventeen reaching a die hard fan so don't go. He's on the radar now man. Yeah they got those receivers and he put on all three huge game gallup especially holy cow all right let's Let's see any amount of running backs. Aj dylan bill de. Yeah still sours me. Like i mean good for him but aaron jones. Jeez the waste gus. Edwards is going to be a really popular this week because Jake dobbins got Against the giants. Of course it's way too early no status but Marketing has been a healthy scratch. Would guess gusts. The bus would be the guy against the bengals brown for the rams going up against the cardinals with cam. Akers out. And darrell henderson. Injured daryl williams for the chiefs right. I mean levian bells probably not gonna play and they're you know. Got the chargers coming up next. Somebody's got to carry the rock. Dario and wally for the jaguars. Assuming james robinson django. I mean he basically was the featured back for the jags somalia p ryan. I mean that's another one really somali. J. p. ryan scored thirty points. And it's crazy thing geo score over twenty. How bad is houston's run. Defense holy communist. Jj watt said it right. If you didn't watch that clip go on social media someplace in watch it. Because he's a hundred percent right with what he said so yes. I guess it's week seventeen or anything can happen. And they've got the ravens and the ravens still have something to play for but it's so you roll the dice fresh legs fresh legs for some of these dudes how the receivers i've been talking about nelson agholor like forever and people still play him or pick him up. Whatever so don't listen to me. He only add nearly thirty points. It's crazy got the broncos this week sterling shepard probably owning a leagues but also was dropped the atom and doing much. Got the cowboys this week. Ut michael gallup against the giants jakobi meyers and now now. That game hasn't been played yet patriots bills. But he's got the jets next week. And then cam saves a gibson's could have had big game. If if washington had a good quarterback yes really could have and the eagles just gave it up to three big cowboys. Wide receiver so Camps also worth. Look assuming terry maclaurin kit go and maybe you will be back. But we don't know at this point and tight ends anything for. Could you believe jimmy graham score twice now every all. This is the week and jimmy graham. I saw any graham's got you know he's got a revenge game against the packers earth's bit though. Nice nice two touchdown performance there on christmas day. He's got the lions. And i mean don't schultz didn't have a great game against philadelphia. But he's got the giants coming up here So he he's worth a look through tight ends. I mean titans. It's hardly it's been brutal all season long and the there's really not much out there. I mean the good thing about the tight end position is a lot of guys that we started. This week actually showed up rally gronkowski. Who i didn't like at two touchdowns chelsea's of beast waller was good. Ebron was good often uber. Who knew was going to get targeted. Atanas good evan. Ingram was good. Mark andrews was good. So you know. Logan thomas had another big game at seven catches. It was nice to see. George kittle back although we did have a massive game for fantasy purposes you know. He's still gave thirteen twelve thirteen point. So all right fabs. We will Like i said this this is not goodbye. This is not the end of the season. We will have you through the playoffs here on the sl fantasy segment presented by a draftkings. 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Find out more at cdw dot com slash dell. Emc all right a hearty. Welcome back to jenny and genucel have plenty of week. Sixteen action to run through here. We're going to touch a little bit on the saturday games too and the and even the christmas night game. that That that made so many alvin kamara fancy owners so very very happy But we're we're gonna pick this back up with the steelers and the colts and i mean boy. I think everyone was sort of ready to write off the steelers. Because we've been saying all year. Okay when are they going to expand this offense. We'll win movie. See the downfield ellen that become part of the offense and it wasn't happening and we saw them just struggled desperately on monday night against a bengals defensive system very good So they fall behind by seventeen second half to the colts and then finally finally the start attacking downfield and all just sort of comes together. Yeah i think the way you described it as perfect gary. They weren't just playing ben. Rothlisberger didn't just look old on the field. They were calling a game as if he were too old to call things. That would win the game and the big chains year was in the second half when they really opened up the offense and they were essentially in desperation mode so they did what they had to do to win the game and ultimately that's when they came alive and now the prospects for the steelers look a little bit brighter seeing that they can put together an offensive performance. Like this against a defense. That is good as the colts defense has been. Yeah it's it's been so frustrating watching this offense is really neat watching them in september and it was like. Oh look at this. Look at this this motion stuff. They're doing now in this horizontal attack. We've never seen that from the steelers and then it was like okay. We're midseason and they're still doing the same thing and that's neat but it's time to build stuff out and it just never happened and i feel like this is really the first time you saw it. And i was just kind of wondering you know. Ben's been sorta on and off the injury report with a with a with a knee problem and they are. Obviously i mean a quick strike attack is is designed to protect the veteran quarterback. But you wondered if it was such a problem with the knee that they were just not going to risk him even taking the the slightest. And there's there's always a calculus do this How much do you want to put your veteran quarterback at risk but it seemed like they just they were willing to just kind of say whatever we do we are not going to let him get touched and we'll just let the game play out as it goes but he took a couple of shots in this game and it was just kind of like i feel like that is the most encouraging thing you could see. You are sealers fan. Yeah and i think the encouraging thing was really the first half was not encouraging in terms of the defense stopping. The colts offense but the second half was a better performance. And so what we've seen. The last few weeks has been this. The defense hasn't looked quite as good with the losses of players. Like bud dupree and devin bush and the offense is just look totally stagnant. So what happened. After halftime in this game looked like a team that could be a factor in january as opposed to one that was kind of limping to the finish line and still in the mix because of a strong start. Yeah and I don. I always look back to that. Twenty fifteen broncos team is sorta the if you're the steelers or maybe for the bears like that's kinda the blueprint going forward here. But i mean it's it's twenty twenty you you. You just want to be able to score points. When it's time to score points and especially again the steelers will not be getting a you know that i remind the afc. They're going to have to win four games that they're going to win the super bowl and You're probably not score points and one of those four games. Just that's just life at this point as far as the colts go. I mean look it was it was a it was a good performance Again you know if they got the steelers in the right week as opposed to the week that the kind of opened things up and start getting affected downfield. This one plays out much differently for indian. I don't wanna make excuses for them. But i mean you know the have not played offense like this all year but the colts end up leading one slip away. The offense really dried up in the second half which i think is just as disappointing as the defensive performance. Because you do in a lot of these games in this indus day and age in this modern era of offenses but close out games and they just couldn't say on the field and it couldn't generate any points in the second half as far as they go there now. It's incredible it say considering some of the team for talk about the nfc but they need to be the jaguars at home week. Seventeen but they also need. They need help. They need the browns to lose a pittsburgh or the dolphins lose at buffalo or or the ravens to to lose it cincinnati the the latter is probably not happening but the colts are in danger of missing the playoffs. Here yeah and i have not been in favor of the number seven seed. I still am not in favor of the number seven seed but at least in the afc you have enough interesting teams to fill out that picture and someone is going to be left out. That would have been a compelling playoff team so the afc at least has been worthy of seven seats Going to the playoffs or seven teams going to the play. It's whichever side of the argument you fall on you. You have a you have ammo come back from this season. Let's let's go down to kansas city. Where i don't have a ton to say about this game that the chiefs sort of you know they just sorta sleepwalk there another game and I mean look the play. That sort of stood out to me when i think back at this game is ag. Terrell dropping the rookie corner has a chance to seal the game with the interception in the end zone would have been. It would have been a great catch. But just doesn't quite hang onto it. And all the sudden yellen. The chiefs couple of plays later in the end zone. With the go ahead. Touchdown and the falcons end up missing a field goal at the end but that play and i mean i don't know our buddy gregg bishop and i have been talking about this a little bit. I don't know if he's wrong to you about it. But sort of that. Looking back on the falcons on like why do the falcons keep on losing games like this and it's so difficult to put your finger on because if the cornerback hangs onto that interception this single play the single player in a single moment in a single play. Then they don't lose the lead and we don't say boy. How did the falcons blown other lead. I mean it's just the football. God's just i don't know they have it out for atlanta at this point it's one hundred percents gerry. They were in position. It looked like the game sealing play he thought wow things are breaking for the falcons really good win for a team that has had so many tough losses this year and it just didn't quite happen couldn't quite hang on and And kansas city kinda got bailed out they did they did in the one other weird thing about the cheese here is. It was such a struggle. I mean the protection hasn't been great for my home this year and we saw a little bit of that in in this game. They also they just weren't getting a ton of separation. It's tough to see without looking at the all twenty two yet but it seems like there wasn't a whole lot available downfield until that final drive when it sort of all been up for the chiefs and again it's it just it just has that feel on a week to week basis where they just aren't really interested in winning the game until it's time to win the game and then they win it with relatives right and i think that's why it's hard to make sense of the chiefs team. I mean they're the best team in the afc but they also haven't looked as dominant as you might expect at times on the flip side. I think it's pretty masterful performance to be this good coming off a super bowl wayne because a lot of times. We see team stumble. So i'm not really sure what i think are are they. Would i still choose them as my super bowl winner. At this point in time i would because there's a lot of teams that have a lot of flaws in the chiefs. Find ways to win. But i agree. That performance was It was a dud. it was a disappointment. And i feel the same way as you gary. I didn't think there was really an mvp race. I was ready to write. Patrick mahomes in on the ballot and at this point in the year every sunday mean something for the mvp race. And so you had this dud by mahomes contrasted with a masterful performance by rodgers. And i was starting to lean rogers by the end of the day. So we've got got one one week. I guess but Week seventeen always a weird week right because the the chiefs already locked into the number one seed. Yeah we'll we'll see how that plays out and the young way coup falls out of the mvp race with the field at the end. He's been great. I mean look probably seen the sad. He's eight for eight from from beyond fifty yards. He's having a great year and it was just sort of a again. It was a stunner to see miss that. And then you just kind of say well. this is this is how it goes for the falcons. He he pushes thirty nine yard. That was his second missed field goal of the year. And that's just that's the way it always plays out for them and there's no real logic to it again. I just these little things that happened to them. I don't know don't know why they happen to them but We don't happen to them much longer. 'cause it just seems it just seems cruel at this point it does. Yeah so speaking of at the browns go goto east rutherford. For second week they play the jets. They have to do so without any of their wide. Receivers look at i. I don't know how much time we want to spend on this game. It's it's i. I think it was silly to play this game. And there are lots of things related to this pandemic and the. It's been outside of football that we can sort of put our indignation towards that is probably more deserving of it but i feel like when the nfl has sort of forced these games through where teams are missing entire position groups and again it almost released thursday football. I hate thursday night football. Because i don't think it respects the fact that for an nfl player. It is incredibly difficult to turn around in three days and play another game in cases like this. It's like how can you expect the team to lose an entire position. Group forty eight hours before the game and then go out there and compete. I mean it just. It blows a huge hole in your roster. And it's one thing you know. I i know there's comparison to like. Oh well you know. If you had a bunch of injuries it would be the same. It's not the same thing at all. Because you're losing these guys you practice and prepare all week with the plan that these guys are going to play and then all of a sudden you lose your entire receiver group and you have to plug in a bunch of guys who haven't practiced and having prepared all week for this game and and this is the result. I mean it's it's not. It's not professional football when it's all said and done yeah. This was difficult to lot and the timing of. It was really a curveball. As you said it's so late in the week and you're forced to adjust on the fly the way things have worked out in the nfl. This year is that they've kind of wanted compliance with protocols to be a competitive advantage. Essentially that you know may get some benefit if you comply with protocols but in this case there were few players identified as close contacts. It's not clear exactly And you know exactly if anything was actually if anyone violated anything other than the fact that there you're going to have close contacts if you're preparing for a game together and you know the idea of We're living through a pandemic. We're asking players to go to work They have families. They have other Other potential contacts just from living their lives in the community. And so i think this is where this whole season has been uncomfortable. Gary is because there's things you can control things you can't control your trying to parse through the differences and then you have essentially the browns going out for a very meaningful week. Sixteen game for their franchise for the players and they're put in a really tough position and it's just one of the parts of this season that is just always not gonna feel great The nfl's decision to go ahead and play a complete schedule and their commitment to playing a complete schedule was ca- results in circumstances. Like this and it's kind of crummy. I don't know why they put the week. Eighteen plan in at all like it. Just it's like if you're not gonna use it in a case like this with a playoff competitive team. I mean i as i say i would get it if this was jets. Jaguars and two teams. That are sort of out of it. I mean i don't know why you'd stage the game at that point but if you really want to stage the game because that's the way the nfl does it go ahead and do it. But the browns are now they are in need of a win at pittsburgh against to get in if they lose it pittsburgh but You know i i. I just mentioned the other teams have to play here and you know miami. Losing a buffalo is is probably the most likely of the other competitors to drop game in week seventeen but the browns could be on the outside looking in after losing a game that really they you know anything can happen but they would have won this game if they if they had their full complement of players and it just. It's incredibly unfair. As far as the game goes it was a bigger mayfield. Lost a couple of untimely fumbles and and he did take responsibility for that and and that's a that's a good thing to do Yell fourth in short he had that sneak to try and keep the final drive alive when they were down near the red zone and ends up losing the ball and that was the end of the game And that's i don't know that's the way it goes. It was just it was it was a silly game to stage sui game to watch and I don't i don't really know if there's anything can actually draw from this except for the fact that it will have huge implications on the playoff race and and of course on the ray said everyone cares about which is to get the number one. Pick in the draft as the jets are now locked into the number two pick With their two game winning. Streak and i. I mean i don't know i. It gives me a headache when people against their team to To lose games. So i'm with you. Gary you know Players coaches their futures in the nfl are not guaranteed. So you go out to win every week. I don't understand questioning of the motivations. Or the scrutiny of that that's they go out every week to win a game and now they're locked into the number two pick and as we discussed last week now they have a bunch of different options at number two. It's a choose your own adventure as opposed to a straight line path to handing in trevor lawrence's name there. You go so much more fun. This scraps of projects fans is what. Oh come down to Let's stay with the new york teams. The giants go down to baltimore and and look i think the ravens are just. They're just wonderful. I think they're so who could. I couldn't believe there's a scenario where they might miss the players and they still might. They're in a situation where they just have to beat the bengals in week. Seventeen the red hot bengals actually in week. Seventeen to make the postseason but this team is coming together. And i think it's really. We know the defenses great. We know the offense had been great last year. Had some issues this year. Battled some injuries but now they're just going out there and they're just rolling over teams again. It's not quite to the level of last year. But they've been over four hundred dollars three last four weeks. They would've gone over four hundred yards last week. Had lamar jackson not Had to had to step away in that in that victory over the browns. Or i guess i was two weeks ago now but they are the team. I would not want to play in the postseason. If i were say the kansas city chiefs. It's a little bit reminiscent to the chiefs last year although not the same because the ravens are fighting for wildcard position. Now they're they're in a good spot to get it but you know that she's had that explosive season in two thousand eighteen and then two thousand nineteen you know. Patrick mahomes has an injury and they kind of fly under the radar a little bit more and then they round to form right before the postseason. It's it's not a similar trajectory gary and I agree. I was really bombed that they might miss the playoffs. We had on last week's weakside. Podcast gary we actually picked presence for if you give a present to someone in the nfl. What would it be. And i said well. I'd like to see one of the teams. Ravens need to lose lose so they can get in now that was wishing ill-will another fan bases and obviously some of the tough losses over the weekend were difficult to bear for those teams but The the ravens have looked good on a sat on a sunday in week. Sixteen when a lot of Well guest games are played friday saturday sunday so whatever over a weekend of games in week sixteen where. A lot of teams struggled with opponents. You wouldn't expect them to struggle with the ravens. Didn't miss a beat and they just rolled over the giants the giants as far as they go a daniel jones still not back when our percent they i mean look they struggled in this one against the better team won for ten on third down just didn't work out all that said there they're still in it they They play the cowboys at home next week. the winner of that game will we'll get to watch sunday night football sorta breathlessly as The winner of that game in if the eagles defeat the football team is how it will ultimately go down in the oso exciting. Nfc east So let's let's go out to the nfc east now and touch on those games cowboys eagles down in dallas. And look i. It seems like for the past five years. We've been talking about the eagles defensive backfield in the me like boy you know. They're they're really not very good back there. they just don't have who can cover the cowboys. We know the talent they have at wide receiver and it was just on full display in this game. It was a total mismatch. Michael gallup just was was totally unguardable in. This game of cooper made a bunch of big plays. Cd lan glaze. I mean this was just andy dalton. The receivers just ended up with these eagles. Defensive backs yeah it was a total mismatch and the game really flipped after a promising. Start to the game for philadelphia and my takeaway. Really's that philadelphia just has so much work to do. You know there was a brief glimmer that oh my gosh. They started out this game. Well maybe they'll actually make the playoffs and now they're the first. Nfc east team to be eliminated in a disastrous season for the nfc east. And so i think that means something and the eagles in need to take a look at the roster. They need to take a look at the coaching situation. My hesitancy you. Switching to hurts initially was that there were so many flaws on the roster that it would be hard for him to succeed now i he had a difficult day. He turned the ball over three times in the second half in this game but he's shown a lot in his starts. That is good and that indicates that you know he could be somebody that you could have success with but the problems around him are really. They should not be ignored. And the eagles have a lot of tough decisions to make this offseason about how they address a roster flawed and a lot of areas. You know a coaching staff that underachieved in a lot of ways this season you've got to figure out what to do with lance The eagles Just a couple of years since they won the super bowl but they're really in kind of a messy situation. I mean they won the super bowl. And all those sort of factoid that came about they have the following core players locked up the next multiple seasons and it was oh eagles are going to be in it forever here until the end of time it is. I mean you said a jenny the fact that they are the only team out of it in the nfc east in this point is is jaw-dropping. You thought about it. At any point the season you would have thought the eagles would have been as close to the end as any of those maybe kind of crummy teams in that division are but They are they are done and and look jalen hurts in this one again. They got the got. The big play the long touchdown. Sean jackson which was really neat to see by the way i haven't seen sean jackson do that in a while and has gone alike like oh i remember that guy they got that play and then they just got nothing It it's an offense that just wasn't able to really sustain anything going forward. They put up three points over. The last fifteen minutes of the game after that hurts had a couple of Wrote on her outline. I call them wednesay and turnovers in this one one of them. I mean the last one who cares. I mean they're driving in a three touchdown game and threw an interception. Not a big deal but the red zone one was bad losing a fumble even if his knee was down that was a bad turnover to it. It was just know he has worked to do. and when. it's your developmental quarterback. You just kinda shrug your shoulders as well. He's development of quarterback it's different when it's carson wentz but It is kind of a reminder that jalen hurts. It's probably not going to be playing at mvp level next year. Which is what you had been getting from whence a couple of years ago and you said a jenny. Lots of lots and lots of problems with his team. Yeah and to bring things full circle to your first point. The eagles were the only defense to really make dwayne haskins. Look good this season. If you hearken back to that week one performance at that is also a perfect transition in the business here as we call it yet. The football team This this offense has just been. It's been insulting to me. The the way the playoff as the football and they went back to dwayne haskins and they're hosting the panthers. It's it's a winnable game. No terry maclaurin in this one. They were short handed but haskins just had an absolute meltdown. In this one was He regresses a year. Went on I don't think the coaching staff did him a lot of favors. And certainly i think putting on the bench was probably not Going to be helpful in the long term here but I mean he was. He was atrocious. In this game he had three turnovers. And you can live with turnovers when it's like good aggressive football but these were just turnovers sprinkled in with bad football in between and He gets sent back to the bench in favor of this time. It's it's taylor heineke. So he has been benched for three different quarterbacks. All of whom are i. Don't know probably not within the top forty in the nfl. I think is the nicest way i can say. Yeah and i remember in the offseason ron rivera in may maybe it was said well if training camp were impacted and they had less time you know because of the would really changes his schedule that they might go with kyle allen and. That was the first time i realized like this guy doesn't have a lot of confidence in haskins. And maybe it was. Okay getting used to new offense but you don't say that about a number one you know first round draft pick very often so that was the first indication really that week. One game was fool's gold and both on the field and off the field. Haskins hasn't done anything to earn trust. And you know there was a strange situation postgame. Initially the pr stops said haskins declining interview then left the stadium. Then they said there was a miscommunication but essentially this points to the end of his chances in in washington and the fact that rivera pulled him for taylor heineke it was a desperation move. He didn't really have another option. He couldn't keep going with haskins but that cemented the the end. And i think it's at this point. It's you kind of have to make the move. Say hey we. We messed up with this first round. Pick which happened before was there. And we've got to move on yup look three different Offense a playcaller while he was there over his Not quite two seasons to this point so a tough situation for haskins anyway. He was not nearly good enough. And lookie still young guy He'll land somewhere else. Someone will try and develop them. But it's not gonna be washington at this point Chase young was dominant again in this game. By the way which is so if you are looking for something positive for washing. That's one thing. The other thing is still get into the playoffs if they beat the eagles in philadelphia next week which It's taylor heineke game. Or maybe in. Alex smith game Against jalen hurts in an eagles team. That as we said has a has issues Across the board here so looking things looking up ish. Four the football team. I guess i can't believe that this was the pick for the sunday night. Flex kerry it is. I get it with the markets. Like it's like you can't go wrong with nfc. East classic matchup that sort of thing but The game might be. Unwatchable is a risky. You run and what are i guess. Close doesn't make it watchable. But i don't know this is this is gonna feel appraising and there's gonna feel like like the alliance of american football. John wolford would feel right at home in In that game perhaps. But yeah it's it's gonna be it's gonna be something to watch. I hope but yeah. I mean to to just your earlier point just one more beat on this chase. Young really is fun to watch. And that was a pick that washington got rates. So they have that piece moving forward. Whatever they decide to rebuild with Chase young as been fantastic this season. The bears go down to jacksonville and get the win. They needed to get it was. It was ten to ten at one point in the second quarter and things were maybe be interesting. Yeah you kinda wonder. I don't know will the will they figure out a way to let one slip away. And now the jaguars just aren't very competitive at this point. I frankly. I don't know why you even send them to indianapolis next week and in the middle of a pandemic to sort of show up and and get beaten up by the colts. But that's just the way it goes. I guess but as far as the bears go third straight win trubisky again a better quarterback than what we've seen. I thought this game was actually a little bit shakey for him. He put a couple of passes endanger that. Were just kind of like You can't you can't do that as a starting quarterback the nfl. You can't do that multiple times in a game. That doesn't that doesn't work that way. But they gotta going and they ended up being fine in this one As far as the bears go if they win at green bay next week and the bad break for the bears at the fact that the seahawks the rams which means the packers have not clinched the one seed which means the packers now of some to play for in this week. Seventeen game at lambeau. So the bears need to win that one however if they do lose they still get in. If the rams and john wolford perhaps beat The cardinals in in their regular season finale so all sorts of scenarios for the bears. Here i guess yeah. I mean in with the wind is good except for the fact that the game is against a green bay team. That has something to play for. Yeah yeah kind of a bummer for them and as far as you know the report adam schefter tweeted out that some folks think that trubisky might be back in chicago after all. When it's all said. And done i don't mind trubisky a bridge guy if they keep them there This is not a long term marriage. It is clearly not a long term arizona. Besides the you know the passes that he put in danger I mean it is a limited offense or running. it's not as limited as they were running with them before and it makes more sense with his skill set. What they're doing with them now. But it's still. It's not a level of quarterback. Play that you look for from. Your starter is not satisfactory as a starting quarterback at this point and i just i. It's it's just wrong. If they they try and run this back with the trubisky as a a possible long term solution. Right i agree with you that it works as a bridge guy. And maybe that's the best option for next season but this camp he can't be the long term solution and the jaguars clinched the number one graphic. And that's that's just great and all their fans room forbear score touchdowns what a what. A wonderful scene would a System says created in the nfl with the rookie wage scale and the fact that trevor lawrence has to play for like a third of his market value. The next couple years. And that's why the jaguars get to do what they do. I don't know let's go to the lightning round fastest three hours in sports couple sunday games left. And then we'll hit the the saturday ones and christmas night game but yet the charts in the bronx third straight win for the chargers. It looked like they might find a way to let one slip away again but they ended up holding on against denver this time and look like the chargers won three straight a. We know the ridiculous run of sort of bad break games. They had against really good opponents early in the year. And i don't know it might be over anthony lynn but i don't know what else you wanted to do with team this year. I agree. I think he should get credit for the way. That just in herbert has been playing. I don't think he's gotten enough credit. It's not easy to put a first round quarterback who didn't have a real off season and you know you go into the year. Think not thinking. He's going to be or starter until minutes before game titled taylor. Has you know this injection goes awry and all of a sudden. You're you're putting herbert in there. I mean. I don't think he's gotten enough credit for that. I know there have been some late game questions of a game mismanagement but i also think the sidelines are very chaotic. And he has a staff that is kind of been put together piecemeal. A lot of the staff was leftover when he first arrived with the chargers he has some younger coaches enrolls offense coordinator for example and i think they should keep him and give him a chance to make some staff changes And continued to develop herbert. And you know you. You don't like to make a lot of excuses. Obviously with injuries and things like that but they have had some key injuries. Since ekeler's been back. The offense has been functioning a lot. Better and i would like to see them. Give him another another year. Gary i think he deserves that and the team is clearly playing hard for down the stretch the only game that was an absolute doug for them. Was that lost the patriots that and that was exceptionally ugly. And they've come back one three in a row since then so Again it's it's it's been a wacky year for the chargers here but They are finishing up nicely. Here and As far as denver goes i i. it's good. They're still competing vic. Fangio will be back next year. That was announced Before the game. And they'll still have to figure out what they do on the offensive side of the ball Forward here Down in houston the bengals. Go get a second straight win after that monday night win. The turned back to brandon allen allen threw for i. Look this is a very backhanded compliment for brandon. Allen had a career game and and really a played well in this one he ends up throwing for three seventy one in this game and two touchdowns and just has a really good performance and it just goes to show you how bad this texas defense is boy and. Jj watt did not hold back after the game. Criticizing the team Saying that i believe he said the texans haven't playing trash and he's right. And i think what is where the texans are at now. Is they need to figure out the right leadership moving forward because they have a tremendous talent at quarterback. And you don't want to waste that talent. Yeah it's a god. Five hundred forty yards for brandon allen bengals. Each wild gary really is that is that is two games worth of offense for the bengals and and that is not hyperbole to say that that is a that is more than you would ever expect them to put out up without joe burrow in the lineup Let's let's go back to saturday night. This was this was the game of the week. The dolphins coming back on the raiders. Frankly it was a game that if you only watch the final five minutes you saw all the best parts of it you saw maybe the only watchable parts of it. The dolphins come back and just wild back and forth. Finish and beat the raiders and stay in the playoff picture. If they win it buffalo next week they do make the playoffs If they lose they need some help here but I mean this was ryan fitzpatrick in relief again with just an absolute ryan fitzpatrick performance and their to To a ton of iowa for the buffalo game i. i don't know what the right answer is. because i i wouldn't have thought ryan fitzpatrick off. The bench would have been the right answer in in this game. I am with you gary. Brian florez seems to have a good feel for what the team needs. He really has a good relationship with the locker room. Where he can move quarterbacks in and out and the team rallies behind whatever decision he makes. I think that's really a testament to his leadership and i as far as the final parts of the game. The only entertaining ones. I actually saw you know. Been at home. My parents house a couple of weeks china to help them with a few things and my father wanted to watch casa blanca so we put on the movie and it ended right at halftime. So i only watch the second half of this game. But i don't feel like i missed anything i mean. Those final minutes were thrilling. I still don't know how fitzpatrick completed that. Pass with his face mask being talked and just sending it up. I still don't know how it got there but that was a tremendous moment. It was a good finish as i could. I can remember and there's something to be said for and by the way. I would love to see a team. Start using quarterbacks like it was a pitching staff in football where you were you go to the bullpen need. Maybe there's a trend here. There is absolutely some new set. Look and we'll have a whole offseason to talk about two and his development and some good and some of the bad but tool was was incredibly way too conservative in this game against the raiders. Defense just gives you opportunities. He just wasn't going to put points up on the board now. Ryan fitzpatrick mike. Go out there and throw three interceptions and you lose the game. He might go out there and do what he did on saturday night. And you win the game. I guess the point is if it's patrick. Went out and threw three interceptions. It's still not necessarily the wrong move because if you lose the game by ten points or you losing it by twenty four points is still lose the game and they weren't gonna win with two out there so they did what they had to do in. Its patrick delivered. In the way that i guess only he could at that point. I mean we've always said that. Fitzpatrick is good in small doses. Gary so maybe this is the key you start your other player for the first three quarters and then you put them in to close out the game. Maybe that's the key to really channeling the best fits magic it's it's just it's fascinating. It's fascinating to see how this plays out to and certainly brian floors. Earning plenty of points in the coach of the year race for For the way he has managed this and kept everyone happy in the locker. Room along the way Earlier in the day we had the forty niners go out and spoil the car so the cardinals now need to win in la and have the Or no if they win in. La there in right if the cardinals win in la. They are in. That's right okay. Okay so that That is fairly simple for them And they'll get they'll get john wolford in that game and and most likely i should say golf isn't necessarily totally out as far as his game of sarah gozo just kind of a reminder of how good robert sala has been with this defense and for anyone sort of looking at last year's for united's performance and saying like. Oh they added nikko so of course they got better defensively and yes having nick boza definitely makes you better defensively. Sala is doing it with. What is i'll just. I'll put it this way. They have multiple guys on that defense. Who wear numbers in the sixties which usually only see in the preseason and it just kind of like this is a preseason. This is like this is your second string defense. And they're going out there and you know you have this high pedigree cardinals defense and and saw absolutely just had the cardinals number in this one Every time the cardinal slow protection the forty niners had a free runner. Coming kyle murray Absolutely had the cardinals figure it out and rubber solid deserves a ton of credit for that. That's a really great point with the numbers gary. I hadn't thought about that. But that really illustrates just how short handed they are nick. Bosa solomon thomas out. Some guys in the secondary and i agree with you. I don't think he got as much credit as he deserved. Last season for the way that the defense played and because they had so many good pieces upfront. It seemed like oh well it will be easy to scheme but it's never easy to scheme a defense that can make a run to the super bowl and they also this offseason traded away deforest buckner. So it's a very different unit. That's been out there for most of the season and this was really a masterpiece and hopefully he gets consideration that he deserves in the head. Coaching searches that will see around the league. Because you know he's really put together Impressive game plans. He's he's been the kind of defensive coordinator that players say is is a leader and really brings out the best in them and it's always hard to get an opportunity when your team is playing deep into the postseason it. It changes things in terms of the interview process so this year. That won't be a that won't be a deterrent and hopefully he gets consideration and As far as the offense go. Cj beathard a nice performance made. It made a handful of plays when he needed to Jeff wilson big day running the ball. I mean that that kyle shanahan just dials it up in the run game as well as a name in the league here. And that's a that's the way it went down with robbie. Golden missing a bunch of kicks. That's the way it went down on saturday afternoon The early game. I mean look. This was just a ridiculous game. Once matthew stafford was out The lines had no chance of actually scoring points. It was just a question of With the bucks get to fifty and no they did not get to fifty point so Disappointment in tampa and they have to sue their Their their wounds the fact that they do make the playoffs with his win. Go back to the drawing board right figure out. What's ailing the offense. I did see some comments about. Wow there was all. This criticism of how arians was not maximizing brady and look where they are now but there were a lot of growing pains this season and it did seem like a lot of the questions about if arians was catering to brady enough may have been coming from the brady campaign self because they all seemed orchestrated to come out the very same week so i do think there were some growing pains. Obviously there at a good place. They've made the playoffs and This was the kind of performance. Despite the fact that it was against day lions coaching staff. That was very short handed against the lions defense. That has not been good. This season This was the kind of performance that you like to have. Before you go into the postseason it was in the the host atlanta in week. Seventeen here and again as my four podcasts partner my spiritual guru andy he would say these are all professional football teams everyone is good you know atlanta detroit atlanta on are you feasting on some of the the the struggling teams the teams that maybe don't have playoff-caliber defenses. I guess we'll find out in the in the play offs and then finally the christmas night game the the saints and look out alvin. Kamara was the headliner in this one with the fact that he scored six touchdowns and he probably could have had seven and and set the record but it looked like sean payton kind of changed his mind about patting stats and then changed his mind again when they had another chance to score a touchdown on the final possession but kamara just rose up a huge out here. I do want to say one thing In this game about the saints the saints were out there for ninety two plays on On sunday and then had to turn around and five days and play another game And look at this. Vikings team they are a physical Run game that's how they wanna beat teams so the fact the saints defense held up and this was in their best game this. This wasn't a dominant performance so it was a very good performance against vikings offense and A biking seem overall that went there and beat that months january. Yeah that's a great point. This was the defense has play a lot of snap so it was encouraging to to see them. Perform the and the vikings you would not expect a mike zimmer defense to Struggle that much against the run. But it's just indicative of sort of what's happened to this team this year. They're they're missing. They lost a lot of pieces on on. Defense others opted out and They just haven't had that same. Look that you have. The they've consistently had. During the mike zimmer era and minnesota all right jenny. You have the weakside podcast this week. folks out there. If you're not already subscribe and go subscribe now because we'll have lots more talk of of playoff scenarios which thankfully we don't have to do a week from now jenny when we tape them on show will know who's in and we'll be able to just let loose with all the takes sounds great. Gary can't wait the qb. Monday morning nfl. Podcasts is jenny. And gary gramling we are. Produced by shelby rosen essays executive producer of podcasts. Scott brody ben. Eagle is director of editorial projects and product. 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Ep. 218 - The Science of Ayahuasca + Processing Trauma with Dr. Jeff McNairy

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Ep. 218 - The Science of Ayahuasca + Processing Trauma with Dr. Jeff McNairy

"People see whether on the battle is different issue teach person trauma, the consents go through that process that we could talk about this part chemical stuff outy, but as far as the Shabani service spirits and all the art people can look at Seve who's this universal Fien of connection that occurs. You're listening to the almost thirty podcast hosted by crystal Williams and Lindsay Simsek almost thirty started as a conversation about the transition from our twenties toward thirties. But then we realized life is full of transitions. So be expanded our mission. We are an intuition led wellness focused lifestyle podcast that promises to deliver authentic conversations, diverse points of view, an insights rooted in optimism growth and intention. The almost thirty nation community is group of purposeful dreamers who are smart passionate and always seeking the full potential in every aspect of their lives. At almost thirty were making magic together, we dream it. And then we do it. Thanks so much for tuning into the almost thirty podcast here. We go. Guys. Welcome back to the podcast almost thirty nation. Unite over thirty. Yes, oh, we are over thirty. If you only knew what it takes to start a start the podcast actually right now in studio. We just jangled a lot of cords for like a few minute, really prayer prayer up. Okay. We build a home studio while ago and the home studio is. Hanging on. It's barely hanging out. So we have to a lot of the cords. It's like you got to move it. A little to the riot. I usually I find a chord in my omelette every once in a while. This isn't belong in here. Oh, hell Hello. Hello feeling. I haven't caught up with you in a while. I know when she'd been doing well, we had our. You. Oh, I'm forgetting I missed I need to hear about it. 'cause you've been saving it. But I've forgotten missed when mama medicine girl. I had to go home missing. Healers. I know. Wellness. I'm sorry. I'm showing up for my family until you don't receive. It's just dealing more. So if you guys have listened to the podcast for a while, you have heard the episode we did with Mamma medicine, Deborah, she's out of New York, and she is not only beautiful, but she is truly a light worker. She is very special and kind and just pure love and light, and she's really really talented. So she has read Auras for almost all of her life and during the session. It was interesting because she is actually studied with shamans for a long time. So it was cool to have gone to Costa Rica to experience shamans from Peru from Columbia one on one and the magic that they do or create an honor that and you know, just be witness to that. And then also see how she incorporates it in her work, and she's been doing this for a long time. And I was just kept thinking about that. You know, when she was doing the healing on me after. We had liquor reading and session that she uses a lot of the shamanistic singing. There were there's also a fan. I don't know fix federal. Yeah. So there's fans, but I think this fan was like one of the leaf ones. So there's this specifically lamb remember those? And then she also does trying to think of what else, but the singing was just so powerful. It was like her voice is beautiful and the crystals involved in it. But it was just crazy, and it was really cool to connect with her in that way. And so when I got my reading in the session, what you do is you sit down, and you kind of talk about what you know, you're working on or what sort of is going on. And for me at the time. It's getting more comfortable with being myself in a public setting all the time because I'm not one. That's if you guys have listened to more than one episode, not always like perfectly polished with what I say kinda. Unpredictable at times, I'm good with people. I can read rooms I can read people. But when I'm talking on a podcast sitting at a house with Lindsay him, not reading your room. Does I don't know? I don't know reading the world criminal reading the world. I don't know what what your vibe is. I don't know what I can't really pick up on what the hell's going on. So I was just talking about that. And, you know, the compounding pressure that I feel we have, you know, as journalists as conduits of these conversations or there, the facilitators of these conversations for community feeling responsible for my growth for their growth for just a lot of what we're doing within our business on our team, you know, responsible for their energy for their emotions for just so much. I was talking a little bit about that. And it was really beautiful because she picked up on something that I love when people like especially in those healing situations. Like tell you something that you didn't expect. Put you in your place where you're like. Oh, yeah. Honestly. So she was saying she's like she brought a, you know, the mother mom relationship, which you know, has been going swimmingly. I know you guys probably listen to the new data episode, but we've had conversation sense as an update, and it's a really beautiful growing opportunity for both of us that happened after this medicine healing. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So it actually really was. And she was like you need to take responsibility for she's like a lot of what happened when you were in your childhood and your teens. A lot of your rebellion came from your frustration and anger to your mom's lack of taking responsibility for her own happiness. And now she has chosen a path where she may or may not want to be happy in her life, which could be true could be not true. But it was really like me being frustrated as a kid because you're absorbing in. And and noticing things that your parents are doing and it would be frustrating to see. And that we're really was a lot of my experience as. As a as a kid growing up. My parents weren't happy together. My mom went through periods of depression, and anxiety, and all of these various things so it was really challenging for me, especially as an path, you know, which she said two, so when she I sat down and read my aura. She's like I wish that you understood. How much of an empathy are she's like, I don't even think that you could imagine how empathetic you are. And how much that affects how you, you know, navigate your life on a day-to-day basis, which is actually something that I kind of people have said the word path, and I'm kinda like resistant to it because it just frustrates me. Sometimes that I am because it makes me feel like I'm out of control with my emotions, and it's like it's just tiring to be honest as a beautiful thing. And I I love it. You know for for many times when I can recognize a beautiful emotion that scene in someone or something like that. But to be honest as a business person owning your own business. It's fucking exhausting. So she said that which I was like I knew. That, but I've kind of been resistant to it. But she said frozen 'em path when you're younger, especially as a child it can be very hard for you to witness that. And she's like a lot of your rebellion came from being frustrated with being angry and being so emotional, but not knowing how to place it. So that's how and why I was like such a rebel. And it was funny. She was like when you're in your teens. You're kind of crazy. Yes. Like, I was a fucking delight. Did you do you remember liking that feeling of rebelling? When you're a teen or were you not I was frustrated. Yeah. I was frustrated. As frustrated. It was exploratory. But it was frustrating. But I was definitely frustrated, but I got along with everyone. And I was you know, well liked I had a lot of friends, but I was like sneaking out almost every night and like. You know, just in bad. But it was interesting too. She's like, you know, you are very you're very evolved soul. And she's can you need to also take responsibility for the energy that you brought to that situation which I felt like was really helpful and really. Surprisingly helped me think maybe for the first time maybe not about my role in everything my role in not making it easier. You know, not you know, I don't know what I would have done when I was younger. But in my Evelyn was by no stretch of the imagination they're in high school, but how I contributed to that frustration for her and contributed to. Being unhappy for her because you know, she's trying to go through her own things. And then I'm not definitely not making it easier. And I'm definitely not making fun for in a lot of times, you know. So just like an interesting thing. And she's like you need to. Forgive yourself for the way that you were during that time, and you need to forgive yourself for the times that you have rebelled or hurt people or hurt her which was beautiful because she said it's also coming to play for you and a lot of female relationships. So if you think about. Their relationship to your mother and how it's progressed over the course of your life. It can be directly correlated to other female relationships. And the way that they are or the way that they've, you know, happened in my life and the way that I'm perceiving them. So I thought that was really beautiful, and it was helpful for me to think about you know, like what's going on now with almost thirty with our community and everything like that. And like how I can't be more mindful about. My energy in that space with my mom, and then my energy in forgiving, my younger self because I've never been able to connect with her. You know, even when mama medicine said like, what did you wanna be when you were a little girl, and I was like. Don't know. Like, honestly, it's crickets, so and she's like, okay, why keeping shown? You as a ballerina numb like? So cute, so cute. I was I was pretty chubby. So I'm like, okay. I don't know if I've ever done Bella ballet, but it's funny because I had Mona Rakia healings with April. She saw my soul as a dancing in front of a mere cool, which is cool. So there is a correlation there. I ended up asking my mom, and she said, I took a few belly classes. Which was interesting because actually didn't know that. But just like being more kind to that little girl, of course. And then being more, you know, sweet to her. And then there was the really beautiful moment of confirming something that I've been thinking for a long time about Justin, which is, you know, leaning into him when I'm feeling lost. Or when I'm feeling. Hopeless or when I'm feeling stressed out. Like, she's like you need to lean into him more. Choose like, he is she's a he's a very very very serious soul connection relationship for you. That is going to be your second greatest teacher in your life outside of your mother relationship, which was really beautiful, and it was really like reaffirming to hear that. Because that's what I've been doing with him. So. Powerful to be able to. So when you say lean in you mean, like a for lack of a better term like just have him really hold space or hold you in those moments instead of you trying to to maybe suppress it or ever these vine, or like, whatever it's like really just allowing him to, you know, support you in that way. Yeah. The end for me. It's like, I don't really share a lot. So I kind of compartmentalized my life and a lot of ways. So if we have something going on with the business like I can think of a few different situations where things have happened that are kind of fucking wild. And I would it's not like I would never tell him because I'm hiding it. It's just like at the end of the day. I'm so tired. You don't want her? I don't even wanna talk about it. And I we've got it under control. So I don't I don't tell him. And I don't explain that to him. And so just being more forward with what's going on with the way m feeling being soft. Ter- letting myself relax with him letting myself just hang out not putting pressure on our relationship has been beautiful, and it's just the energetic conversation that I have in my head of loving him for all that. He is for all that he's doing for seeing always seeing the good in him. And always just finding opportunities to be sweet. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And then she said something about oh, she said, it was interesting to she said that when I said something about a family. I was like, oh 'cause I would wanna family at some point. She's like, okay. Well, I'm glad that you said that because she's like a lot of the healing that you still need to do with your mother relationship, you need to heal that before you have a child she's girls that trauma will be passed on which was interesting because you know, thinking about your own healing is is hard enough. And then to think about doing it for someone else you like fuck like cut a. This for a future baby. It also gives it more purpose though, you know, to kind of commit to it. I know I know so for someone if that would be helpful for them, you know, if that's like pota- Vader just trying to fuck and get by. I'm like just trying to like, hey, baby. And the wings try to get it on me live vegetables like the hell. So she said, though, she's like you have a very very bright emerald green aura. That's right above you. Because my aura is blue on the emotional purple on the spiritual and then like green on the physical. So it was like a blue green purple cool. And she's like, it's an green aura that's above you. That's really excited to get into the world. And this is, you know, this soul and to being has come up in every reading I the most ever had. And she's like, you know, oh, she was saying too. She's like, you know, your empathize. But. I call her she 'cause I, you know, I don't know. But the entity are so she's like, she's even more sensitive than you. Oh. Oh shit. Like bless. She is going to be like, I know I was gonna say put her in a bubble girl bubble grow. But all in all it was really helpful for me to reframe that in my mom relationship to kinda take responsibility. Even though I was a kid. Younger just to to be more compassionate in that situation, which is interesting because with my Wasco journey one of my goals was to be more compassionate. So that shoot that showed up in a different way. It didn't show up during my Oskar journey, but it showed up in this conversation. And then the reconfirmation with Justin that this was something that I needed to to do and even deepen which is something that we've been doing. And then just the reminder that this healing is done for me done for my mom. It's done for my future. Kids e-e-e-e-no in. It's it just goes beyond what we can see in our day today, and what we can impact in effect in our day today. Yeah. Twerk? Yeah. Dude. I left does. Thing with all of it. It's like this self development stuff is so fun. But it's like y'all I left, and I'm like God a lot to do like. And there's a beauty to that. You know, I craved that. But there's also a pardon me that sometimes his like. This to you know, but you know, it's helpful with her. She does the healing me. And the first part is really to understand to know and to be shown, and then you work on whatever that is in small moments in your day today. You know, that's really all you can do is think about it process. It take tiny action whatever that feels good to you. However that feels good and and pray for the support to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I hope I got to connect with remorse, New York. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure I did. The plan on us and follow her because her daughter is. And because her daughter is on her Instagram. I actually have a video saved that I want to watch because I didn't get to watch yet. And it's her daughter talking. I think I was something when I saw that as I was like come on. Dude after this. Well, that's the deepest parts of my soul on what about you? Why was getting some other mama medicine for my actual mother? I was well you were here in and getting the healing. I went home and decided kind of last minute to join my sister during her wedding dress shopping, so and so I flew we're in San Jose. So I just flew home to Philly for thirty six hours, and actually I really loved that quick trip. It's a it's a weird thing to love 'cause the travel of it is kind of exhausting, but I was fucking on the plane, and it was like I just felt so good. And it was you know, I would've loved to say one more day. But it was actually fine. I'm good. I gotta go this. I wanna leave everything wanting more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ling- every party every situation. I want to leave want. Yeah. That was the that was definitely the feeling God. This was great. Yeah. It's another day like. Stay. But the the dry shopping was so beautiful like my sister Cameron cheese the next in line yet. So beautiful. She's the next oldest. So she's two years younger than me. And we always not always been close. You know, it was when we were younger, I was just an annoying bossy ham, you know, and I really wanted all the attention and choose trying to be like me, you know, when you're young that age. So it was it was kind of that dynamic, and I was definitely like bossy and just not nice sometimes. But anyway, we obviously come around as most sisters do, and it was just beautiful like she chooses so relaxed and really excited, and and you know, Bright's can be whatever the fuck they wanna be they could be high Maine's they don't have to be like, whatever. But it just felt really good. I just felt her energy. And she's like use can be fun. Like, if I find a cool, if not whatever, and I think bringing that energy into the room lake kind of set, the tone and so. We went to beholden in Philadelphia. It's anthropology. It's by anthr- apology. It was just there. Yes. She did a shift in Georgia with Eva. That's crazy. Yeah. It's it's the shit. Wait. You went and George George. No, no. But authors in Philly. Yeah. The flagship is impaling, and so they have this beautiful bridal boutique bridal shop or whatever they salon. I don't know what they call it. And you know, you have your own little area, and you know, you pick. It's only an hour. So it's a little bit of like a time crunch, you try and as many as you can. So she probably tried on like nine dresses, and there was like two pieces. There was, you know, just different bodices like different laces and tool and soaks and whatever the dresses were so beautiful, and so Ford -able, and I just saw what's a Ford -able. I'm thinking I'm watching say as to the dress and the dresses are like nine thousand dollars. You wanna meet Panini? Never. Yeah. They're panini. This year's like she's like, you you say yes to the dress. She's like I work here. He wanted me to dress top one of my favorite show, heartwarming shows on TV. That's why I was excited for this experience. Because I was like oh my God. Like, this is going to be really just such a sweet moment. And anyway, we were there with her future mother in law her future. Sister-in-law my mom. My sister lexie, and everyone was just like super excited taking pictures and video and like the moms were crying already like before she even came out. But it was really important for me to be there, not only because she's not really gonna do traditional like bridal, shower and all the things leading up to it. I'm sure it'll be unique and different. But I don't know. I I felt like kind of distant from my family as a pertains to milestones and people's lives, and I like cheer from a far. So being there was really important. Yeah. And I don't know I had a few people. It was. Weird actually mostly strangers which is on Instagram. Everybody say like, oh, she's getting married like how do you feel about that? Oh, it was like, oh, that's so interesting. You don't Minami bet. Whatever I don't be mean feel happy. Yeah. Knowing it's my younger sister, and she's getting married before MIR. I guess I really took. If it's your mom, literally like, all if your mom. I'm like does my bo- talks look enough. Like, don't look. No, no. It was that was an interesting on alert. Now, I am. But it was it was just so beautiful because like her life has been in in that lane kind of ahead of a right? But I like kinda love that about our family dynamics where like both my sisters are kind of like way ahead of me. And a lot of ways ahead, quote, unquote. You know what I mean? But with with other things, I'm you know, it's just a very interesting thing. And so we all kind of become. Like same or like not thinking about oh, my younger sister. I don't know. Really, you're an adult. It's like that. Yeah. We're the same. And so I rest she loved it. It was so gorgeous a photo was, but we gotta like try on other ones, whatever. And she came back to the first one, and it was the one, and it was so sweet huddle celebration, we went to lunch. My dad was waiting with like, you know, eight boxes of pizza and meatballs and garlic knots. And I was like, I'm home home. We we we practice fly fishing in the backyard because they're five fishing now with all the chickens out of the nest. It's so cute to see my parents do random ask non, Nope. They actually they got a lesson in central park their last trip to New York in the middle of the grass. So you fly when you fly fish in practice, it you don't need the water. It's just kind of the motion that was important. And so they bought these two rods. So we were like practicing the backyard. He's like once we get good enough. We're going to go on a little trip. Like, this is cute because anything this. But anyway, like, the most interesting thing was that we were watching we're watching Chris Lilley's new show lunatics or whatever sitting around which I love Christly idol of the show. Do the the porn star? Oh, it's amazing. I Meyer moment favorite character them there. There are moments in the pet psychic. It's. He's my God. Like the export. Watch lunatics. I forget what her name is. But she's like she's like, oh, they're coming over for dinner, and she's writing dinner on the white board. And then she said oh, put a key under the mat? And then she draws it's like because that one is so true like in that industry was get a split personality complete so much drama and you're like still a kid. Yeah. You know what? I mean, the hoarding video thing. Oh, my God, the hoarding it's just it's because you compared to jamais and all that stuff, but he still so dude actually the one that the real estate agent with the big ass. Yo how he's like a DJ apes j. Yeah. But he lives at home with his mom. Like. Incredible. And of course, like in the one two he was hitting on a girl at a bar, and she's like, no sorry, don't he's ugly. Anyway, you're looking even talking like, so typical funny. We were sitting there watching it. And all of a sudden the power goes out. There wasn't even a storm whatever. So my dad's like all right? We'll give it like ten minutes. So we're all just like chilling. My mom goes down to get these bright asked lanterns my dad's like we don't need them. Like, please put him away. What are you doing like, this is becoming a scene? But anyway, we're all sitting there. I was like I'd love to know the story of my birth because I was like I've never asked this before. And we had our Mike experience during Wasco one of them was like being born. And I was like just interested. They thought I was kidding. But I was like no actually like what was the deal? And anyway, my mom was in eighteen hours a labor, but what was really intriguing to me to find out was that one. My dad had a stop watch around us neck, and he was like coach because he's like, you know, timing the coach the the contractions and stuff so he had a stop watch. And just like all first time dad thing which was really cute to here. And then my mom, I did not know this. I don't know why didn't know this. She never gotten up a Daryl for any of her kits which you know, at first I was like, oh, wow. That's bad ass. But then which it is and whatever either get yeah. Literally, either is very bad hus-. But then I was thinking like about I just went into a spiral. I was like a little not out loud. But in my head, like her pain tolerance is so high. Yeah hundred I literally went down a hole, excuse me to my room and think about this. But like her pain tolerance is so. Oh, hi and thinking how like in situations. My pain tolerance is very high in how that's really not serving anybody Junaid mean she come down. You're like you should. Your pain girls man, literally feel your pain head on to to not feel her. I'm talking about the high pain tolerance. She don't. I'm saying but just in situations like any situation is just like tolerating more could feel better. When new or when you could just be like now that doesn't feel good like, oh, get me out of your whatever it was just like an interesting lake comparison or analogy or like, just what you have a high pain tolerance. Where do I have a high pain tolerance around annoying people? Like where I can like I can put on a good show, and cause some people have to excuse themselves. Ability knows wing, which I actually wish I did more often, I guess like normal high pain tolerance, like just physical tolerance for the most part. Yeah. Whenever you do like a Ragner rape or Spartan race. You know, when I'm marathoning, and it's so crazy because like nowadays, like pain tolerance shifts to lake emotional like mental pain. Nothing to do with physical because he live in fucking bubbles gonna go get my card buckle up and head home and go to my air conditioned home instead online race. No. Oh god. But it was a good. It was a really good trip home. We had a lot of fun. Yeah. I don't know. It was just like nice to be in and out. But also just nice to be home with the fam- in our little fan bubble for a second still there. No associates, the the girls girls. So. Yeah, that's amazing. Her dress beautiful. So pretty never regret those. I did that so much, but I lived in New York and Chicago of those trips for people, I never credit any of that been doing them as much since I've been on an LA and we've been on tour being on the road is hard because I kind of anticipation that I was like shit. We're going to not shit excited. But like oh shit. Like, I'm probably going to say notice them like family stuff. Yeah. Which is fine. It's kind of like story of my life bartending to soul cycle, whatever July for my mom's wedding. We have thank God. It's on a Thursday because we have propel the wedding's on that Thursday, and then the live show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I was like, oh, wow. This can be literally. Yes, I'm gonna have to go to Michigan in this remote. Michigan remote like replying into lake traverse city, which is like so super far north like, it's just. Yeah. But I was thinking about that too. Yeah. Just make it work will not because we left work on planes. There's something about the lack of oxygen. Then I'm like, I know. And there's something about like being strapped to that chair. I mean around strangers. Yeah. Because there's no distraction if you're like in your kitchen, you're looking around like, oh that frigerator. Yep. Clio met. Liga mailman comes. You're like oh got a package. Oh, man. All right. Let's get into today's opposite after this hour long intro. Welcome back today on the on the podcast. We have Dr Jeff mcnary from rid Mia. So we spoke to him while we are in Costa Rica went to his office. So we first met Jeff during our physical, right? When we got to the rhythm itself. Just so we were passed and cleared to do I Austria, and Jeff so interesting. You know, he and Jerry Huw have quite the history, and Jeff really was a support and force in in starting with me with Jerry. So it was interesting to talk to him about the medical side of, you know, what's what's really happening in our brains and our bodies when when people do plant medicine, what in it is creating these reactions these visions and this. Reprogramming, and he also talks about, you know, his journey with Jerry like he's seen Jerry is absolute rock bottom. And what did he say he did therapy with Jerry for every day for five years for five years, something like that crazy talks about it? But it was like, whoa. How I know. Jerry's like I'm gonna hire you beating my therapist, and you can only my service. And we just thought it was really important for us when we are talking about, you know, my eye Wasco experience personally, Lindsay's Wasco, experienced personally, Jerry's story from rid Mia, and that we're also bringing in the medical side of it. So we want to give you a three sixty view of what we've experienced personally, but also be responsible enough to share. What exactly is happening in the chemistry of your brain? What are the effects like what are times when you should avoid it? And really just understanding these ancient modalities with the lens of western medicine. Dr jeff. Is very credited. He's worked in healthcare for twenty five years. We felt so safe with the staff at rhythm. We felt like we could ask any questions we loved that. We got a medical clearance before doing any of the medicine. We thought that was really important, and you know, as we are talking and having these conversations with you tried to be as responsible as possible, this is part of that conversation. And this is just very important. So if you have anyone that's interested in experiencing, I was gonna we suggest rid Mia. But we also suggest listening to this episode and the other foods that we have you can get a holistic view of our experience, and then of what the plan actually does. Yeah. Absolutely. So enjoy this episode. Thanks so much in advance for rating and reviewing on itunes and really means the world to us if you've been listening for a little bit and haven't written a review just pause right now takes a few seconds. And we read every single one of them will read one on the other side of this episode. And if you don't know we. Are on tour. So you can check out our tour dates and locations at almost thirty podcasts dot com, go to our events, and torture, and we're just really excited to meet all of you this year cannot wait. So if you want to connect with Jeff Dr Jeff mcnary can go to Jeff J F F mcnary C, an A I R Y dot com. 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So to have the comfort of doctors and shamans and other people just kind of holding space for everyone in holding. He is really an important part of the ceremony refused. Yeah. Holistic brandishes on staff is really key. Yes. Were you working with Gary Brian from passages and then became like, Jared, heavy convince you. Passages for by almost a year. Administrative drafted managing the facility. I wasn't working with people there's gas, but still talked guests course doom was managing staff. So is almost fifty bed. Silly melville. So long word. It was in grad school by the first half of that time, some super busy, and my background was in low income underserved communities LA also why so I sorta brush with the high end. The world at the time and. So I was just talking with Jerry. We talked with them alive passages. It own connected. And when it was me leave I just bounced in when insurgents counselees him and working with them again have more linear coach of the life coast type scenario and for five years, you don't try to help him get over all these days us dealing with. You know, which is crazy. It was really miserable. Working one on one with him for five hours today. That was rough when it yet wasn't it hard. Like, I think it'd be hard for anyone to work. What on anyone for will? He's very tied. Ed. So those got lots of sei's questions is very driven Suber. Use cellphones Souliers life. You know, he knows formula. And how to do that adult Tillery? We started Kennedy his life, but was happening is avoiding Zabow Sion's in feel. So my job was to help him connect his body. Just sit himself in feel war know, so that was it was it was tough most of those months in years gathers tough by there's always like this drive that he had it was been toxic hits a be around at work with. So so what's your background in that type of work the work that you are doing with him? Or was it just something that was not truly like will grow ever masters poke health reseal. No, that's where like administrative policy policy-driven face program development that kind of stuff it that. I were to Hawaii of agency had contract the department health's, I was hosted for all kids on Wassall big chunk along the diction Hitler shoes. Serve a counselor survive with the families in Hawaii and decided to get my doctorate psychology. So back to California back to LA my doctorate in my doctor program Budgie, internships, so rehabs or sex addiction facilities, overdid psychiatric hospitals. It get no, my hours might pre doc hours. After I graduate on my post, doc. Cowers he'll doing one on ones and working groups around Stu psych unit. Banji passages is had a lot of background working one on one people also groups, and then we came times fully get my psychology license just kind be my own. Here's time too. So I said forget it sit event anyway because completely strata by the board of psychology. What I say doing with what I cancel people as the freedom. You all talk about plan Battiston adventures code word. More straightly was always my goal. You don't health care? Do you see Kerry's transformation you deplete medicine, or what was your journey to find plant medicine will you'll he had heard about plant medicine a little bit it before? Jerry didn't add a ton. It always interest. I was like looking falters sort of things I was real the minded. So he did I was in Costa Rica that he media shift? It has served. Small you. And I I was like skeptical you 'cause I don't I was taught nothing change. But one second. The lifetime of adversity. Today for five years one night. But I believe this song talk to see how doing process so much such a quick time. So he said go down there, Costa Rica? So the couple of weeks later so him sign that our office managers ought is days in done. I did it. And I was like really want to do check this out. Learn at my by Feng done a lot of therapy itself in school. You have to therapy each doctor sixty five hours actually after received. So in on a done a lot a lot of people. I felt like I was pretty okay, I don't have diction suburbia surfing. But did I was like, wow. This changed. My whole perspective on myself. It should to my tire world, really profound. I grew up in part of Los Angeles. That was pretty rough time right now not rod super trading the east serve northeast high part south Pasadena border area. It right now like super killer abuse daily restaurants pop over it's really nice they're buying when I was a kid. Seventies is rough there, and I had a pros persona, but I'm a tough guy at to be hyper vigilant you'll on my friends. It have big trouble of died it over game stuffing, presented theirs drives around the comers. Faizy basically by families break. My parents are great civil draw. Great. But by environment was not great at all. So I had this persona like the shield the tech myself, and I kinda live my life that way unit time did apply medicine was still this kind of Bill massive, dude, right hand, he'll grow. So by when I did medicine, I learned like. That is not who I am. That's what I had to come to survive emotionally. And really what I was scared. Little kid Bruno area was a bit save on the street to see that in connect with me as gays calm eater child were basically, holiday and shift, my whole view, I really Huma saw. So basically have better relationships in to gain better vulnerable wounds. Votary is as opposed to be scared to be vulnerable those nice in. I felt happier. It has more grounded. And then he decided to to buy me at where you like ever has attempt to this worker where you like all right? I'm all like, I wanna spread the plant. I wanna hand plant medicine. I wanna support this. I will tell you are reasons because my patient populations back away where some of us high risk people that there are addition patients trauma victims mostly women children at a feud psychiatric people in those groups of patients right there in a system of the western medicine model. They're there it out of rehab outside hostile in it at all this stuff. They're always on meds. Those relapse you always suicide was all this stuff is not alive. Really good tools that they could actually use an access get better sound just like frustrated base than those always for some different like what could happen. So I did apply medicine business. This is at this will help people was all in. So we start looking for a place, you know, coaster when all over the country eighteen or so different locations. Find Bacchus Susan did I move here. And I started working with the government where he third thirties because I have a public health background. I started developing the program with Jerry. 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Scientists proven this energetically with positive negative charged ions that we're all being above everything up of there's a vibe sometimes you can feel certain things. But further split what that's about. So what I feel EMT's doing Televisa's accentuate this connection. So of plan has the huge does I have a feeling affects that can connect plant energetically in also cannibals the universe when they often say, right? So the things people see when they're on medicine is different each person the trauma concerns go through that process that another thing we can talk about this partly neuro chemical stuff out, but as far as I assure Mayes stories spirits art, people can look at blue John digits communities. Hayes beautiful serve, gene. Richard patterns and stuff is this kind of universal Fien of passion that occurs when you're on the Wasco particular. What happens with the trauma connection the brain? Right. We have part of brick home you made. That's where are so coaches varies generally store without bees is like Newseum layoff and gives like if I fire Zolder scared by dog, it's really vicious wants to bite me. What happens is for survival? Evolutionary vital. This is their urine pathway is stylish in my delight. That says basically dogs are scary. She run for them in motion that gets fired alone at fear or Zaindy or fire flight locked. Flocked dramatic trauma, five four of whatever. I don't really know. Why it's weird because I see that rails dogs like me so degree. I don't know. Why Bursch go Eric? Example, what happens is the big where this memory is stored catching the prefrontal cortex from quartets were hardships. Certain rational figures located in those to be aware the other in the brain ceremony and become league up eagle lucky. I see that me says I was five that was that Nora pathways appropriate because I was getting by that hot. But now bit by a Doberman on five eleven. Say howard. Created new business dogs are fun dies Sweden or cool in shit that the emotion of fear. It was linked before you get to feel it you've processes three oh in that gets released allergy for like and things abuse people have been abused as kiss ongoing views there were free vulnerable in a what if our relationships usually not good pick people continue to use or just really lower their guard, the Assad refund to be that. 'cause they're loan essentially, you're they're mostly alone. They never really just somebody incidently in a healthy way. So that's great issue. You can't while when I was, you know, five eight hours be victimized by whoever. Now, not dull I can make my choices on your staff that we grant aimed your fear upset nece feel that. The process in the survey is gone now outlook now, I can be formal is Safeway that unempowered to do has shift occurs. Full sit out plasticine which bring all shift or the old school bottle is at the very rigid at a certain point is just your satis weight is parts of the brain. Yes. Are that way? But both of our volume boche in memory thoughts and desires in serving dishes have stuff that always shifted adjust and change. So that's basically what's happening were re saying chemistry brain in opening up people in a real way process trauma. It's really cold. So there's a lot of like physical reactions that could happen in like physical pain purging things like that. So I guess for people who haven't done it, maybe are curious in our little bit nervous about that hunter from the medical perspective liking is that safe everything. Okay. What's happening? So people will do searches for Iowa often get terrified with PC, right? Stories. Everything's trail online. So basically, you know, there there are medical requirements have to eat or do I Awadh. Particular gave you on SRI medications is entered impresses benzodiazepines, which are anti-anxiety Meslin. Santa axon hidden value can't be Bs Aimez heroin that matter draws a cocaine, for example, how do you have for that crosses the wing periods? Thirty to ninety days the person the off air for the benefit as examples. Zanice the person how much they're taking their doses for how long visually clear fourteen days or thirty days there. Okay. So there's different way cures. You have to be aware. Also, people have brain issues. Let me they had seizures, for example, or they have a brain tumor, or, you know, they asked the stroke in the past those days, we all look at they should've they're they're appropriate. We say out a lot of people you'll unfortunately because you have to be sure that was medical safe. Do this heart dishes that prevent people from doing it is that a lot of heart surgery, ins- certain hiring shoot a fierce that are prevent people. So what happens in do horror stores here are rove places usually out the jungle or somebody's backyard base in the states or wherever but not checking people medically. They're not clear them doctors there's often. No, there's. Pair show that pay hundred bucks drew best. That's why it's not cold do that. So so fiscal symptoms. Even when you're clear it you're safe to do it for ever. There's often Pershing Pershing done alive if aways throwing up is going to bathroom by favorite guarding. Trying their sway was all purrs. Purrs two days. One is a toss. So the Iowa is clearing out curies often. It's in their Fogel clearinghouse for medically because as her vases works really well of lives disease. Auto immune disorders works. Really? Well, bursary poisoning pulls it out bones. Always kind of talks Ponant, they're having Persian. That's good. Get out your small stuff it. The other thing is in motion hers. So we often carry stress worry our bodies, right? Don't have an outlet for my stress. Does I'm medium doughnut ideal stress for abusive environment. I keep it all inside the manifest physical symptom. So when I got purred more boche inal getting by fear by resented is symbolic in both a really good the really cool. You know, it's rare somebody purchase all that. It happens. But his power rare purge that you're good allows Larry might again, you know, it's nothing bad positive things. Really come out of that would stay at native. Would he be dehydrate because we're Costa Rica a hundred degrees yesterday was beautiful. I love this weather. It's hot in doing. Yearly gotta stay hydrated. Oftentimes, people might needed rehydration but other than that through safe. We have a parched yet. But we have seen people on it doesn't seem rally in. It's weird. You just change your perspective on that. You know, when you guys were talking about how the it's emotionally charged. And it's so much of the processing that we need to get rid of just changes. What you feel about throwing up, and it makes it less scary. And, you know, make you less resistant to it. If it were to happen. Yeah. We haven't heard yet. But the way we do it to Russeifeh senior insured bit offered different times the union gigolo bore. So we're not just rocking. You this freeze huge dose. What happens were really medicinally dose away again the most benefit and yes, so the dose saying is it just like it. Anyone gets a Cup of tea or like how does how to dosages work in house? It determine who gets what does learning. Ninety five percents of people on announcing a half to two I drink which is there is fall down in the world. Wasco better feel higher doing. We want you to feel safe and comfortable knock it overwhelming right off the bat. So then about our half later a more. If you need it, you might not get it. But you might if you do be we'll see how you're doing the shamans checking with you make sure if you're in Persia allotting by that needle outright. Then wait another hour in one house. Maybe to just depends. Plenty night the first night right people that they're terrified every nervous horse both people. So I come here. So really scared have history of being very sensitive to just whatever. Eight even ask for him. So we will see what else we'll just start off really lines. They should Milquet feel comfortable it after that get were confidence with the medicine. The second night they can start off stronger if had agrees it was kind of light for them. The first half of the night on Monday start begin to four ounces start on Tuesday. The kind of how look at. What is this? What is the relationship between serotonin and the medicine? There's a couple of no chemicals a lot of the Iraqi with but serotonin in particular because sir, Tony is of booed do chemical that if there's too much that we have had having citing it is too little amid that there could be a dopamine issues when this impression by we can come out to serve. Hillary happens is in life. We all have, you know, these virus live in backhoe, Ireland custody environments. So as a lot of smog, not necessarily always eating super healthy outright down the street. Stress. There's four or five ten all this stuff. Deplete myself stresses myself out of work into heart certain has often Baio chemicals. General are so happens is with Wasco it resets five t sir. Receptors in the break. It what happens is reset chemistry victims balance back to where it should be for. You is of people that have a history of aching beds for stabiliser's tenants. Nocco back those vets don't need them or is a certain fraction of people percentage. The do, you know for whatever reason they're going back to very chaotic environment. They have a hard time night there seeing coping back from before which may be the greatest. So there's that go back. There is for Colin that the they. I don't. What is the the breath of the research that has been done and like? Is there in your opinion on I'm assuming there's not enough to educate enough people to come to something like this entities this. So you know, what what's stopping the research from being done substance in favor devil. The US this label schedule one compound preventive from being studied so basically of ban GMT's of bam substance. His sudden get stunned often exceptions not often occasionally exceptions where universities will gets agreeable. The FDA a bunch of other governing agencies would immediately look at. But it's really rare is in the data's not readily available. So there isn't a lot of studies on I awards EMT's scientific based journals things that I use. That I'm used seem in my career thousand articles on whatever. But that's part of why. And we all share those listeners agree anytime a governing agency wants to ban something you have to look came. Why was super dangerous that's reasonable get ban? Something I don't believe that it is if it's done correctly. If it a threatening to the medical system, either leave that it, absolutely. Is it reduces the pharmaceutical industries serve industry him reduces, their, you know, their profits potentially it takes away in control from people from Gonen me that they're the people are now more freethinking, and they're not quite fast in system told to do I believe that all of us have the ability to heal ourselves into our own intuition about what we need to do having successful. I believe that we get used to hearing from outside sources. Growing up that we listed these people or agencies or his system on TV and tell me what I need to do. I find that the that's great. I walk open ourselves. Even howard. What we wanna do? It will be like this best friend, not only for us for others it for our communities, those very power, you know, mess scaring to a lot of people who wanna oppress others controlling. Yeah. Yet can point bakery. So is it it's a legal United States illegal illegal around the world or west most countries? It's illegal. There's a few this legal a mole state couple countries legal. Her why I know when did that one that one was it made illegal? I wonder believe it was bad. Gene, you envision when it will all the different substance, worldwide belief, pretty sure. Pretty sure. You know, because it's just weird. Like, I wonder when Lena like the governing bodies realized that it could have this power. So that they made laws against it. You know, was it researched. That was realized or who was the what what hold that this should be legal. Go road. Both health and things that I've done for a long time is that. For reciprocal companies of research and development teams been that are multimillion dollar budgets year to see what's going on in the field. And if if there's somebody did let's as making, you know, the press beds in there, they're going on research around what else is helping depression odors, eagle below or there's this Saddam. Go route is all these Chinese medicine herbs that are helping. So we're gonna like push those out bitter Mayes how good they are. We're going to like, you know, set on other research says those things are just quacks. That's not real in. You know, I walked might come on who's looking lab. American South American for stuff at you'll love the mess are creating from bell plants, essentially, all the pharmaceuticals. Their core is a there's this history understanding the biochemistry of plants in general, so they see all the DNC. I wa- SCA is. It's gonna it's gonna take a little bit of our pie. Write a piece of like showdown gonna make real lobby Beth year lobbying. Go shut it down not letting come into infiltrate it's coming with medical doctors did the chiropractors back in the day. You guys are doctors guys. You're study science stupid. You guys don't know what you're doing which is banned. So if they almost fifty years for carbohydrates, kind of become something that doors, cave, good. So the government agencies that lobby self interest, and they lobby the government. The government makes the laws. Tails, all this time. Moving to Costa Rica. Lately, I've been obsessed with making much morning. It has been amazing. It's just so I was for a while doing like a coffee or something like that. But I've really loved how much gives me a steady stream of energy. It has more anti-oxidants than most coffee, and I never feel crash. So I have been using every morning. My further foods mindful macho and then also use some of their college into just for the added beauty digestive bone health benefits that it provides an it's been awesome. Yeah. I didn't know this. But college makes up ninety percent of your connective tissue seventy percent of your skin, and it's the most abundant protein in the body. And so like, apparently when we're in our twenties were losing collagen kind of an alarming rate producing less and less of it. So it's really important that we supplement with we trust them at further food, and it's one hundred percent, female owned and run company. Yeah. They're such peanuts. The girls at further food are so kind and we loved their mission. We love you know, that the way that they run their business and refill really connected to them. So we are excited to share further food with us guys and get them mindful macho or marine collagen peptides or some of their tumor tonic is also amazing. Yeah. 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But the, you know, these people go preparation in Renault of medicines about it a complete change their life. There's one person particular came here. And she thought we were yoga Richie. You have yoga. It's a big part of what we do. But still for them. Is your happy? You get you cited to cover just a on Costa Rica, a break for failure job a little personal. And she's like what have we what is it does I date? She's like what what is yet Bill who it was. Did. It was calling me. What I did. I didn't know what to suspect. Funny work on anything percent. Completely changed your whole life. It changed for marriage change kids. It helps focus fine to her career. It was Frasier. If you were these people is you. She was great before he I here, but just kind put us that next level where she just really plugged in. Thanks to bake part. At least for me this far because I've had so many realizations in seem beautiful things and didn't love like sick pain. But it's watching other people like I think because we're one of the youngest here in this round her in this group to see you know, I had two older gentlemen by right? My left last night and to see them experience, the joy of being, you know, in their bodies by dancing like was like was part of light might heal. It was crazy like so I knew I wasn't mad because I didn't have I didn't wasn't visited by alliens or I didn't leave my body dislike so grateful that I was I was just look at them. Just like giggled myself most. The seat was to do. A group is out part is he'll be officer to others, bro. About these these older, generally right that you saw a life of hell life just bothered up eight from from an era where it will share their feeling talk about budget. If they do they're week back home. All right. So. Four nights of close air, but be them by. Susta they paid. They just the rope. Cohere completely change. Yes. Awesome. It's beautiful and one was. Health freedom in my heart. My heart was in a cage. And now it's out of the cages close. We we had our friend Susan in just like at the end of the night after she got amazing. And she's just like completely transform. We were talking to an older gentleman Christa, and then she came over. And she took the toilet paper. She goes, my minor Talbot's billing this as. Toilets. If you're probably run the air. We were like out of nowhere. My. Yeah. Just back themselves. Soviet watch every week every insane others, but it's the importance of yoga in this low yoga lock you up different by your you got like, right? Every quarter is yoga. Yes. S in Venice rose their elected. I think so. Odd rose ice place. Now. Steve jones. You know, for some people just exercise stretching for Bryce is Morten its connection with your body. If a lion you shot Grizz plugged into the universal sort of energy bid exists compliments plant medicine. Ground themselves after ceremony helps prepare for a ceremony do so there's a lot of spiritual Capone's Yoda raviol- know that. That's why we have it. We haven't done it. It's been hard to wake up in the. Had to work my journey. Continued by sleep sleepless night. Do. Yeah. Okay. It's only for those could get up and do it. What's up frat? So someone if they were to come like what kind of Pratt. Should they do before? I recommend a couple of days if they've been through insurance therapy. It's unclear if they have that could be helpful process basil issues, they kinda know what their issues are. That's self awareness. Eat little and also there's a cycle yet. The which way eats that is helps you body being alignment with pun medicine. Somebody will book income the next day. So they're not this. But for those are little head. You'll become what's way, they can start eating super clean. They're not a lot, no processed foods, very little be. If it is like fish usually a little bit. If they want pretty vegan saying right in a certain spices to avoid just by getting line. Right. So magenta software. Also just have tension. You know, people often have a long list of that's great. But really goes down to the stream tensions that we each people. Here kinda covers all bases, we classes, you guys talk a lot about your show view. I've become but we've with by solving heal my heart. If you do that, basically all your questions to answer tissue get answer that. Yeah. So that's kind of what I told you mad you have to taper off Melander physician. And if they have any sort of other health issues gotta giggles, resolve to be cleared medically. Yes. Nice questions. It's like walks you through a processing. So shall we become is like kind of a mirror on you know, what kind of person you are in the world. How you see yourself? How others see you? Why you become who you become which is really beautiful. And then the Murphy missile at all costs, which we talked about before is like the bringing back of you to your souls that you can be more aligned that heal my heart, which is you know, healing, your heart from the breaking of your soul. But having those is like the pillars has been really helpful to especially for people. If they don't know what their intention is. Or if they're not really sure what they wanna get out of it. And that kind of been me like I have intentions, but, you know, having those is Ben more valuable to me because it will reveal in my intentions. Yeah. Cool. Very cool. So good. This is how it's coming at a good time before I lost ceremony. Q is just like really helpful to kind of more deeply understand. What's going on for those out there that you know, are curious about it? I think this will like kind of settle their nerves and really empower them to make you know, choice for themselves or stuff is so cool. So. Hopeful people. They're all Costa Ricans are awesome. People huge staff Costa Ricans there. He said, they're great very loved and your nurse staff is the staff, here's amazing. So we did just for listeners weeded a medical volume when we came here to get cleared for taking the I waspa- in them. You're talking about before we got onto. But there's a you guys have the shamans, and then you have a medical staff. That's there for ceremony of of journalism warriors about on ours. Twelve coach Demonte people of the leading. We have two four other stuff there in guest services in medical. We have a medical technician there very rarely needed in doctors that live on the property that are call is a lot of people here that make sure them safe. You know, it always is. I mean, we haven't seen anything, you know, even remotely close. So yeah, it's beautiful. Thank this. This. Thanks for having us. It's been so good go shift the vibe in San Juan. No, they're on it. Westside is on that. Yeah. This is they're getting their rivers. Why? Yeah. Oh. A lot of people. Yeah. The whole five rat race by this underlying the whole rough. Yeah. I now than it is that because it's weird because it's jokes position. 'cause it's BT you're on the beach. It's ki-. It's not in the city as much as you're more website. It shouldn't feel like a rat race. But it does. So. Yeah. So get tricked. You're like this. They kitchen. Yeah. Very our. Oh remind. All right. Dr Jeff thank you so much. Thanks, Dr Jeff that was awesome. So if sound is not perfect apologies, but we were doing it on site when we are in Costa Rica at rid Mia life advancement center. So you can check out rid Mia rid dot com or you can go to their website through our show notes on almost thirty podcast dot com. R Y T H M, I A dot com. All right review the week. You got it got one me. I got a good one. Thank you so much for writing these reviews. You guys have been emailing to us, and it's been so kind sweet and really makes our day. 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Carolla Classics: Judd Apatow, Michael McKean, and Mike Lawrence

The Adam Carolla Show

1:56:02 hr | 1 year ago

Carolla Classics: Judd Apatow, Michael McKean, and Mike Lawrence

"Thanks for listening to the Adam Corolla show on podcast one. Lifelock two thousand and nineteen data breach of MGM resorts impacted more than one hundred, forty, two, million hotel guests. That's right. The hackers took the data, put it for sale on the dark web cybercrime marketplace man, it's going for twenty nine hundred bucks that could be your information important understand how cybercrime and identity theft affecting our lives every day. Put our Info on the Internet and you're out there now look, it's convenient. It's great. You're ordering things you're ordering food you're taking care of you're doing it all from the comfort safety of your own home but your info is out there. lifelock detects a wide range of identity threats like your social security number for. On the dark web, protect yourself with Lifelock Right Gossiping not prevent all identity theft or monitor all transactions at all businesses. Lifelock see threats that you might miss on your own join now and save up to twenty five percent off your first year. By using Promo Code Adam call one eight, hundred lifelock or head to lifelock dot com use Promo Code Adam for twenty five percent off. Loan. Welcome back to cruel classics for August. Eighth Twenty. Twenty We're going over the history of the Adam Corolla show. We'll take you there via some Nice Lips. My Name's Chris Locks Iman executive producer of the Adam Corolla show and with me as always Corolla archivist superfan Giovanni. But everybody back again with another episode for you to give to your friends. So admiral talk about the ratings when it means download numbers. Yeah. Either way we know what he means. People like ratings items ratings was talking about Apple podcasts ratings. Now, he means the actual total numbers for people who tell the show rabs no there's no Nielsen's for by or there probably is, but we don't need. All right. Now, we've been playing you guys the history of the show from the first year all the way to the news girl change, and now we're going to twenty fourteen February of two, thousand fourteen when Adam did a live podcast from Park West Theater in Chicago. Ngo was actually there. Was Indeed Mike Lawrence was the guest, its annual show twelve, fifty, two also rose and Brian Bishop Park West is one of the most important venues for atoms podcast and stand up career and the things have happened there delirious and this is one of the funniest shows ever did make Lawrence was really nice dude it was promoting his album salmon team at the time, which of course was in love with people's marvel comics references. I came on stage and crushed it. Check it out. I'll. So my my flight was was delayed out of Detroit today, which then meant it was it was it was a great move because. I as we were getting out of the Casino Mobile Casinos, all have a mobile that will drop you anywhere the fuck you want to go they make money and they will pick you up and then take your money and then drop your shit off without charging. But as we were getting out of the SUV that the casino provided for us as I step set foot in front of the airport, my phone rang and it was my assistant Matt, the porcelain punish find Allaire who said boss I just got an email from the airline your flight is delayed I thought. That's fine. As soon as I see the SUV drive away. So boom yeah. I I wrote down the road down that the late times was always say every time every mother fucking time they do that thing where they go your flight has been delayed twenty minutes or forty minutes always in bite size morsels it's never that meaning if we tell you your flights delayed three hours, you'll start burning down the airport but if we just give it to you and twenty minute increments thing Yulon. Yeah and it doesn't matter if you get into day three, twenty minute increments Zona. Shit eighteen minutes from. Now we're going to be on that plane. The person. I always love in that situation because I never have the confidence always at one guy that sense because what is the meaning of this? Yeah. Okay. Love that. I. Flew Out A. Posture blew out of New York a guy wanted to start a mutiny. Literally, like come on. We got rights. They kissed stop all of us. To do what pepper sprayed and stay your for another three days. Sit The fuck down. We have rights it really wanted I think he just wanted a fucking voucher everyone just one hundred dollar voucher but he he went down everyone in line and did the. It's so weird. A couple of things here. Here's what we got. It was a one thirty flight at one, thirty, five flight it got kicked back to twenty. Three fifteen and then eventually we left at four. That's how it worked and supposed to beat the BINNY's at five thirty to sign a bottle didn't work out that. Good. The the thing. Thank. Thank goodness. We made our way into the Lufthansa. Bar and grill in lounging of it. Thank God. Yeah. got this one to a the Perky behind the counter who did they? I have by the way I. Don't know what cards work at the airport anymore because everyone is an affiliate and been bought by and taken over and a branch of and whatever. So you go. Is there United Lounge and they go now there's no united lounge you didn't go. Oh Fuck They Lifthansa Tonga takes united whatever and you go. And then go over there and you start pulling shit out there like no, no no, we costco now. Now. Now am pm now there's no pictures of your kids are nice but now we don't you just keep pulling shit out eventually I got my united thing out and she's like Expired and I said all right and she said I'm going to let I'M GONNA. Let you go I'm she said I'm going to let you go. Yes. This one time and I just thought what the fuck I mean. Unless then. Let me go. Don't let me go but don't do that thing where you're a hero. Where you stand in between me and happiness, you're the gatekeeper. Otherwise. You'd be there every single day trying this, right? Right? Yeah. Yeah. That's the other thing but just this one. Oh Shit. We're going to come back to the Lufthansa hospitality tent every fucking Monday in. Detroit. For the next six years I was thinking about shooting in here we. Go just this once I gotta make a phone call quick. I got relatives coming out here. Yes. It will be just this. Once by the way when your airline fucks up enough to fuck up flight for two hours, we should all get to be able to drink Miller lite and relax back there was some Some super disappointing wraps. By the way who needed to wraps I got the Turkey wrap that the Turkey cheese wrath ratio is never right. There's always too much rap too little meat and then green and they want with the whole wheat flour, the whole wheat Tortilla thing and. Imagine sandwiches looking at raps going fucking kids these. Families must be so pissed. You see like when when a Ruben or Monte Cristo. Talking talking, Shit. They leave, they come to our country and take our jobs. But Look you. Certain point like big. Club Sandwich gets drunk and pulls out its toothpick on. On let's go throw down and the other sandwiches gather around like come on. There's four famer three him he's he's pissed off because he's pie shape. Don't just spend off every day I wake up I look at like Pretzel Bread I'm like WHO's agent does that guy have because he's fucking everywhere if Nicole. Richie's agent. Yeah, I. The. Thing I've said this one thousand times the whole thing about the Pretzel is the shape. Once you turn it into a straight line, you're no longer necessary. If, I can be violated with the Pretzel. It's good to me. The Pretzel and then again it's It's no good because pro wrestlers can't go I'm going to take you and bend you into the shape of a pretzel not to sticks not the Pretzel Bread Not Depress Pun, but the old fashioned ones. That looked like the high Falutin hands Yes yes. General Mills G or something like that. So bridges looks like regular bread that was at a tanning salon too long. Yeah. I think those like all like leathery looking women in their fifties. Press. Over it has like that cigarette voice I wonder if there. Are you still living the all. And country. Me and my towel salted caramel. We've been doing good for ourselves. Just Pretzel Bread says to it's all the time. Brad is Joey's agent on friends. For anyone who watches friend I'm so glad I don't get. No I got it. It's an old wrinkled Tan Jewish broad. Yes style a style right I. wonder if there's ever a throw down between the miniature pretzels that are shaped like a pretzel and then the full sized Pretzel Brad. Laughing at each other, you feel sorry for me. Dude. I. Feel sorry for you. Look straight you are. Of. The shape of fucking Pretzel Dude at least I'm fucking. Some keeping the dream alive. I. Think I think Pretzel Bread is the MOM that doesn't talk to the little pretzels anymore. You know you never visited me I'm in Boca. She went out to Florida kids if. Cut Off all contact with her all right. We have some totally topical tvos Trivia and. We Have A. Chicago Edition This is just the description that comes up on TV show when a movie comes up, but minus the actors and talent in the movie. Yes all right Dawson. Pete. My Name's Pete. Okay. Sir You shout out your name Adams to soft I've been burned enough. So I shot out Pete but use your name. When you think you know the answer. Sorry. Twain totally top little trivia. Time. Today. Two brothers fight each other. And an outbreak of arson. As Ryan, Brian Shit is backdraft from nine, thousand, nine hundred. Hold on. Let me say this. I don't like it when they make movies about either cops or firemen which make him in an insane heroes like where they go like that warehouses totally golden flames and the guy goes there may be someone still in there and I don't care what color their skin is I'm going in and they grab at Gore and they make it a shield and they start pushing forward and other guy goes I'm right behind you and they do this incredible thing and then they talked to real firemen they did you see backdraft? Was it realistic. Absolutely. Very realistic very realistic. If. They made a movie about me where my cock was really wide. And then I'd like shredded avs they want to me one was pretty realistic. Absolutely. One hundred percent. That's if anything if anything to dial it back just to me. It was unbelievably, unbelievably wide. Plus on the on the. Format, it wouldn't fit so. For some reason, just poking at you the whole time. Right. But whenever they do a bug bugging movie about cops, firemen or anything that makes them look insane heroes is those. One hundred percent. All Right Brian WanNa one nothing Arrigo in twenty, thirty, five Brian. Brian has got to be up. A Chicago homicide detective. Jake's peach. Blade runner in Chicago. Trax a sophisticated robot. Mike I robot from two thousand or That took place in Chicago Robocop was Detroit that was Detroit no you're on Detroit I. Let you down dumb. No, it was me talking about sheeting in Detroit and talk about you so dumb. Oh I'm so about robot took place in Chicago I. Robot was a movie a movie. Yeah. Also Vanity Plate. It turns I couldn't. I. Just WanNa let people know two thousand, four Vancouver looks exactly like twenty thirty five. To help a friend. A suburban Babysit Bryan Bryan faulk. Uncle Buck. Adventures in babysitting. From nineteen eighty-seven, seven adventures in babysitting. I don't know that movie holds up but I liked it at the time now. All, right right appearance of thors yes. Oh. Speaking of vanity plates. So cool. Yeah. Okay. The underpaid Chicago White Sox. Eight? He. Brewster's. Millions. Mike Eight men out from Nineteen Eighty A. Man Out Brian you may have met you. I'll. Battle. For the first time I'm glad I don't have friends. Might be great dividends. Mike to chime in say your name. Sorry not the title of Film. Please Just Heisenberg that is by. Unjustly accused Bryan Bryan, the fugitive from nineteen. Wow. It's three to two. Wow in the lead. A record store owner Brian Bryan Fidelity from two thousand how? Is the King What are we not? Is it three three now knotted up at three if I lose I. Have to shave my beard and glue it to his head. I'm in. Heading to Chicago. To see a boxing match Pete Pete. Digs. Dick's town. A group of friends. Dick's town like pornographic version of Dick's town. Dicks Dix town my another license plate frame I couldn't get that one pass by. Ex Yeah. A group of friends witness a murder shit. I've worked on this fucking film. And have to run from a gang. Again repeat. Judgment Day no judgment night. From. Nineteen ninety-three. The promise of that movie La Well We. fucking show I. It was did like all the be roll and all that shit in in Chicago I didn't what did he do on the movie? I was a stand in for. By the way when you're a stand in for bad guy for Cuba. Snow dog down we can. If you can find the bad guys I stood in for the dude who is shortish super long hair in the bad guy. Crow. and. I knew the on the movie and I was broke and I was swinging a hammer and I was begging him for any kind of work. He would give me and stand in work was a cushy Gig because you got paid one hundred bucks a day and you got to eat as much as you wanted and didn't have to fuck and do anything and the bad guys are like Dennis leary. And then. Be Real. No, it wasn't be real. It was. It was. Someone else from Cyprus. No no no it wasn't a Cyprus seal. It was jump around guy a house a pain last. It was ever last. It was ever ever. Ever last ever last. Anyway these guys all looked exactly like the guys there were standing in for because they had to audition and had to go through a vetting process and you have to be the same height and the same color and the same hair in the same everything because when they light the scene, they need to light the stand ins and I was five inches taller and short hair my guy down there this story is still more entertaining than the movie. Star sucks. But I just remember when the first time the director saw. Me Got everyone together. It's like you stand there. You stand there. He had me moving this looked at me like fucker. Moved on. But when you stand for a bad guy in a shitty movie, you pray that your guy doesn't get killed I. The whole plan is still have your guy go on as long as humanly possible and get as many days as much free trail mix out of the GIG is humanly possible but yes, i. was standing in that movie you're hoping your guy makes it to the showdown at the end you're Carl diehard. I. Also, by the way, the biggest thrill of my young show Biz career is at the wrap party. They gave a t shirt out that had seven hundred and fifty two names on the back of it and I was like seven, forty, eight a found. Hey, that's me. C. O. are right there I right above the caterer and between the guy clean out the Porta potty there I, am I bet the most frustrating person to stand in for his Danny Trae Ho? Because regardless of who you are, you're like I, look better than that. Yeah, this is bullshit. or or Edward James Olmos. My skin that bad. Also like an envelope. pockmarks standing. Why People? I'll take my half up I'll take my half a point. Thank you that must be weird I wonder if Edward James Olmos dates blind chick in every. Every blind. Every movie where you date the blind chick chicken tell your. Like I don't know what you're trying to say, he's like, no, I'm not saying anything just my. I just imagined that his pockmarks and Morgan. Freeman dimples have conversations. Yeah and by the way Morgan Freeman. Audis. His enemies should get together like, Hey, you gotta go skate I got a key let's they can. Seal. That is racist I know. That's why I love you. I will bet you. that. If you got Morgan Freeman and Edward James Olmos, their faces lock together. Pattern is exact match up like Panja. Yes. Perfect. I believe it is time for us to unite like penguins right now. We got a to that somebody's got into that man. So most probably our agenda already you're right. You're right. You're right. All right. Three three, zero half. A HIP CHICAGO Pene Pete about last night. Moves to yet I decided that one chamber. I like that movie I know. Moves to a midwestern town. Where thanks to a pastor? Dancing Brian. All Oh, it's footloose from Nineteen eighty-four. Come on. Come on now I know I should have. Learn. Why are we doing because you got two point Oh now Let me tell our we're used to it right now. That was a guy who's you know batting average is like eleven and he just dribbled one back to the pitcher and you're not running it out. You know what I mean. You're you're heading for the dugout you're better than that. You see what I'm saying you'RE NOT GONNA win this game I want to see a legged out you know what I mean see that helmet come off. Allison has no idea what metaphors are using up saying. I didn't even know if he's talking to me are you you're GONNA you're. GonNa get out. You're out. What I'm saying is let's put on. You're not going to get. You're not getting the first base, but we want to see a hustle. And I felt like that that showed a lack of hustle. Okay. But there's many people at home don't know but many time I've been like at. which is music sign. It wasn't one of that's. But. It's be trying to get my name in their. P Name. I'M GONNA lose ask. Priscilla. Part of your brain that's John Lithgow not allowing the rest of it to be free for me pressed. All right. Here we go. A cool teen. Plays Hooky. Pete Fares peelers day off from nineteen eighty six. One and a half. A folksy arkansan dancer. Turns, RADIO PSYCHOLOGY BEAT Brian. How many seconds I get? As many as you need boss. Shit. Dolly Parton in. Straight Talk Straight Talk Straight, talk? Ninety. Two straight talk. My God going to tell you I hate that fucking movie. Coast sending on a Pumpkin. Her. There was like ten years where that was every movie poster Pose Yeah You're. At had that scene where she came into the radio station and she was applying for the job is like the receptionist and they did that confusion where the boss when you're late, you're gonNA be on the air and three minutes and she went but and come on over here that by the way is there ever a situation like you go to the airport and so it goes you're late you gotta fly this. Were you couldn't stop and go I'm not a pilot I'm not here or we just find yourself behind the yolk just go doing this two thousand feet and the bucket air and I feel like you could stop and go. They sat her down behind the microphone because they thought she was like the. Doctor Ruth or the doctor something as she's GonNa give advice and love advice whatever, and then she started giving her homespun country advice and let me give You. Just a regular modern woman who owns their own theme park this'll be. Then it turned into a thing where, of course, the town started going nuts like almost immediately and then she would be walking past construction sites and they'd be playing and she'd go past people waiting for the bus and they'd be holding it up and billboards everywhere. I did radio none of that shit ever happens. Fucking five years in my dad said, five years in my dad said. Maybe, I could come on and be a guest on your show and I said. All right when you WANNA come on and he said I don't know Friday about seven and. Shows on Sunday through Thursday and it starts at ten. That's the fucking reality. Radio. Never walking carrying coffee in a bus went by with your picture on it. Yeah. That's me. Well, they always do the montage where there's like like five or six people listening to the show to show that it's popular and like those were the only people listening that's it. Well, the montage they start growing and growing and growing, and then people are listening your ratings went from six to eight. All right now, wait what do I have three two and a half or three a mike has three Brian has four. Alison as zero. This family? Say it again, a Chicago man and his family. Go Camping Mike Mike, the great outdoors from nineteen. This is mostly going to be John Hughes movies. These the best fucking third movie to. This guy's a slick used car salesman. This guy's schlumpy and they're forced to be neighbors live together in a houseboat. By the way. Since was that odd couple was the theme but I'm assuming the other people you hang out with you know have bad frames and bad beards and you guys all comedy, right? Not like. I'm a Republican RV salesman. We're all thirty one year olds with backpack. Tend to kind of hang out with the people hang out with you don't get, and by the way if your neighbor is someone, yeah hate would never hang out with guests who doesn't hang out with the neighbor but in the movie world that was every third one. All right. Are we four in four now? Yes game is to five. ooh. A killer sought by a Chicago detective. Pete Pete. Sh about last night. Because a doll. Shit called Chucky. I heard Mike I. A. Crowd. I heard my to maybe to sit next door. was. The win from nineteen eighty. Is Child's play. Regulations Mike. Listen. That's lizzy low handed her first role. Brian. I got to say we might have to go back and listen to the tape on that one that was a simultaneous answer and and name I heard my too. But I I'm pleased please in the future referred to me as the People's champion. Okay. All Right I. Tune in for more totally topical. Trivia time. Tomorrow. Might used as you got a couple a couple more minutes where he got run and go my win center now. Clean. Win and a nice way man taint. gyco right now, GEICO's offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car motorcycle RV policies fifteen percent on top of the money GYCO could already be saving you. So what are you waiting for? Let's get to get man. There's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh. VISIT CO DOT COM to learn more save that fifteen percent and. GEICO anyway, you'd be saving already and then the fifteen on top of that if GEIKO DOT com. Mike Lawrence on stage from the park West Theater in Chicago. As Geo said, the Park West has a very important role in the history, the atom cruel show and most recently Adam sold it out. In earlier this year for the Fran Pearls. Unprepared so Even his most recent visit there was a sold out show and there's a really cool picture of it of Adam looking back. All the everybody. Hanging out behind him on his instagram. So make sure to see Adam live whenever he gets back on the road. I know we're going to. We have a show in Tempe scheduled for next month. Here's Zona. So. Look out for that if you're in the area. All right now, let's go back into the studio. This is from April of two, thousand fourteen and we're going to invite. A leash O- wit she's an excellent musician and actress. And she was on with Allison Brian. Best. Known probably for work I was really justified on civil for all those years. She was the star of the urban legend. Ninety eight. On love line all the way back to ninety six when she was on civil then she came on ninety eight to promote urban legend and. Adam had some gas and started farting up the studio and she'd have very specific reaction I sasha coming on the podcast. Remind atom of that just let them know, and then he decided to bring up on air and it created some podcast magic. They reminisce about love line with leisure wit Adam Corolla show thirteen twelve is from April twenty fourteen check it out. Yeah everybody. With here. Good to see justified. One of the many shows. I was the the the the the Giovanni superfan Giovanni emailed me and he said at least you was on love line in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight. I, remember that. Remember you're doing a horror movie she played. Arben legend. And she said, he said. least you said, she liked fart humor so far it. Should all right you fart or did I fart. He said I farted and then he said. Then, Martin again. A third time and then she wasn't laughing. I, I've blocked this out of my memory I. Didn't I did as well. But Giovanni, he brings back memories. And painful what's that smell? That's what I'm talking about. That's right. For you to hear the part humor and then the fart because sometimes you get more than your bargaining for and also far humor is an always asked related. No, it doesn't have to be. All. Different orifices or cerebral fart humor. Oh. Yeah Right and with a wife Yes. Exactly. So at least it's been. Let's see. Nine hundred eighty four is when you got started, I guess even acting your whole life. Yes. What's store where you coming Massachusetts? That's exactly where I am from? Yes. I really from. With Sta Massachusetts. But I've lived in La since I was fourteen and you were a good student smart bright just decided acting what you WanNa do or somebody decided that. I wound up in Dune through the weirdest. Chain of events had been on a variety show called. That's incredible when I was I remember that's incredible. I I was on that I was doing shakespeare. Yes. Now, there was two shows. One of them had like John, Davidson and Fran Tarkenton or something like that. That's incredible and there's a lot of. Go back to home base guy you know guy with a beard of bees and then they go bring in the human interest and the guy who was balancing the chair, the Eiffel Tower and on go back to some they contortionist there was one who was in a ball all. So you could you could you were reading at Age two, right? and. See I ray. age four you're on. That's incredible. Yes. Doing Shakespeare. That's that's true. Doing though I was doing Romeo and Juliet part of the balcony scene with John Davidson is Romeo our. Five and a half. You're way ahead of me so. That must've been amazing and insane and. And I it was the first time I. Had An experience like that? Obviously and I still didn't think I could be an actor I. It was just wasn't on my radar and then randomly at four now. I mean it's not like I grew up around in the actors or saw any, and then a few years later, the casting director for Dune was watching a repeat of that same episode. And they were looking specifically for a little girl who could say big words basically because this character that I played in June had been infused with the water of life harm the womb and she was supposed to have the knowledge of. Generations of Reverend mothers before her. Toss up big words and out of a young mouth and when that girl four and so I went to New York and auditioned for David Lynch, and got the part, and that changed my life, and then you come out here at fourteen any start acting, and that's basically what you. Did you ever have a day job so to speak or is it just been straight on through my job that I did while I was playing small parts and Getting my feet wet was I played piano for a living at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. Really and I did that for two and a half years, and before that I had done various less regular jobs like playing for Brunches and playing one reviewer just the person in the lobby creating the ambiance exactly like the have it really nice department store. That's exactly. What do we come up and make requests and? I. Do my best to play whatever they asked for. I had these huge fake books which are basically the melodies and the chords, and then you go from there is. Now used to. We were sort of our trajectory sort of simpatico because this'll be good. I was cleaning. Ice is to clean the carpets over at the Beverly Wilshire. Serious. Yeah and I remember it's why I love going to Wolfgang. PUCK's place cut over there because there used to be a little diner called like the pink turtle and the and then there was a grand trine room or something and the other side and the some something something. But Anyway, they tore out the little diner and they tore out some other rooms and they made this big restaurant out of it which now cut that used to be back in the day back in the pretty woman days back when it was configured because I think that was the hotel that was around the time I was there little bit after pretty woman but. The Lobby Lounge was where they had the big fancy desserts. It was a restaurant, but it was also lounge and because I was a minor mean I was sixteen when I started there They did serve alcohol because it was called a lounge and not a bar I was allowed to play there. There was a bar at the other end of the hotel that was called a bar and I was not allowed to play there I always hated the fact that the Beverly Hills Hotel, the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and the Beverly Hilton were all within like seven blocks down there. It's so fucking easy to go to the wrong one. Done it a million times go where are the up fronts they're? A Hilton I just go to the Beverly Wilshire. All fucking off a Wilshire. So. Wow. So you're playing the piano sixteen is that unusual to be plane piano in a hotel at that age for me everything was I mean I know now how unusual everything about my my childhood was but at the time, it seemed like the most normal thing in the world of course, it sixteen you feel so much more grown up I think everyone does so I didn't think oh I'm I'm too young to be doing this or anything I just wanted to be able to pay my rent and a lot of weird foreign dude's coming onto your custom we all the time all the time they always thought I was older than I was no. Heads were there from No Salt in guys when you're. Exactly right? One hundred feet above your piano. Come. On, this show you George Burns, came in once though. He was very cool. I played young at heart for him. and He tried pick up on youtube he didn't know. At least I don't think he did if he did I was unaware of seen a lot of luminary certa passing through there because that was kind of the place I mean when people actors would be put up and people with come into town and do all that kind of stuff that was one of the few places. Yeah. There were there were quite a few people that came. Through one who came in all the time I think she was actually living at the hotel and was the last few years of her life Do you know who the actress Beatrice Straight was? She was in she was in network Oh. And she won an Oscar and she was famous for having won the Oscar I think she was only two scenes or three scenes but. In network but beatrice straight would sit at the end of my piano and. Came in about twice a week and just sit there and applaud she was very sweet. Wiser something exceedingly sad about the last year's a nice hotel. Even if it means, you have more money than anyone else you know. 'cause seems so anonymous. Yeah. There's a kind of a power move to it as well like staying like fulltime residency to hotel like that means you got a lot of fucking money socked away and it also means you're kind of choosing to do it like you could stay almost certainly by condo down Wilshire if you can afford to stay the Beverly Wilshire every night but there's something very sad about it and lowly about it. But why is it so sad and lonely maybe you're fucking your brains out upstairs and you're having a ton of fun down at the bar sit with Alicia what. Your brains out upstairs having fun I. I think she was probably not I'm GONNA go with no on that one. was. That's me but but maybe I hope that she was you know what it seems like if you live in a hotel even though you might know the people that work there you never really have a community is that sad because people are always coming and going but you're not I, guess but I mean do when I lived in apartments. Here's how here's the only people ever knew the apartment in apartments is that's a fucking asshole who lives downstairs. Never stops call the fucking cops just outside passion. That's fucking Dick head is always walking around the subterranean parking with fucking hands pockets in a circle and fuck. Community Yeah and then you move into a house and kind of the same same things just to get a little further apart. But there's a lot of that. There's a weird guy walks his dog at the wrong time. You know that that. Guy. I always noticed people by their dogs. I pay much more attention to the sound of the Dogs Bark and what the dogs habits are are going to be and how many times walk them and that kind of thing if I'm in an apartment type situation. Yeah I. I don't know what percentage now that now the dogs are allowed in airplanes. Yes. then can apartment say we don't take pets anymore. I don't know if it's a service dog, they can't legally say that. So everybody for fifty dollars and go online and make their dog until service dog did not say this out loud because everybody's going to change. Already on, they haven't done it yet. So don't do it. Be Amongst the the honest. Dignity. No price can be put upon dignity I knew there was a reason why I haven't done it yet I'll probably not do it now. I- dignity. All right. Why don't you get the news? Cute Up. And now is a leash show wit. Back in twenty fourteen on the Adam. Corolla show. Really Fun guest, and once again, another great episode, and now we're going to roughly past the halfway point with Corolla show number seventeen, forty, eight this is. Two years later, April twenty-sixth, and we'd Michael mckean on. Exactly. Michael mckean Dr Bruce Gina Brian, Bishop for this episode Gina Grad is now a year and four months into her role as news girl. Girl show seventeen forty eight as well. Clip of everything from the episode you know Michael You'll Dr Bruce at some Gina's News Ruben of supercup check it out. Of the second frank over here forty two Massachusetts rank. Are you doing. Good. So you've heard me you're here to give us some other movies that got to stars on cable. The driving. On my cable system and I think you'd be proud to be associated with these movies. Okay. I will. I will say this it started and people tweet me this because they aggravate me but it started with. They were rerunning my movie, the Hammer on showtime or stars, or whatever, and on one place now According to rotten tomatoes, it's eighty percent with the critics eighty-one percent with the top critics and. Eighty nine percent with the audience the last I checked. Stars had it at like two and a half out of four stars, our CINEMAX, whatever it was had two and a half and I was like if you give it three at seventy, five percent, which is still below the great but you're two and a half, and then some at some point, it got three stars but that was out a five star. Third Star thought he assholes it's your fucking network. You're selling this at a premium to the public. You're supposed to be blowing some hot air the took I of your movies and this movies very well received very well regarded. But all you have to do is go to a place that aggregates up reviews called rotten tomatoes just look it up and it'll be works done for you. There two thousand people have weighed in and they've given it an eighty nine. So that's three and a half stars or whatever. It is four to five or do it, and then go ahead and up at ten percent because it's your network but why we winding down rounding down feeding. Yes great drives me. Insane. So give me ten other movies that only got two stars that I like that I'm going to feel better about because the hammer only got two stars. Okay we go. First blood. The first one. Yup. Good moving and I blood PARTU? Okay. The first, the first one for sure. Solid moving very solid. I get why it's two stars even though it's a tool tune of movie the wellpoint. Yes. Old School Oh stop it. That's a great movie why they find great two out of. Four, stars. I'll say this in a world where what every comedies hilarious. Like. How many comedies are even bring a smile or Chuckle to your face. Yeah. Laughs throughout yeah. Why? Why would give fifty percent? All right. Good. Rounders. Good movie. Rocky Four. I understand why? I love it but I understand the to for. My personal favorite of the rockies. Stand that when you put a four after any movie even if it's five or. Not going to be critically well received. That's a good point. gun. I understand. About disagree I disagree. Now my my final three. I. You're going to like you said before you're gonNA understand that but I just think you'll really appreciate these. We got a CON air. Again. That's a good. Point Break No. Good Company. And Armageddon Oh man. We do I I must say should have been tough. Critics critics are fucking snobs when it comes to big movies because they don't realize first of. A big movie is is it's like. It's like a circus that's five times. The size of you know it's much easier to make a small movie than it is to make a big movie and I don't mean it's going to be better or whatever. But there's pyrotechnics going off. There's all kinds F. eighteens flying. I'm Israel like to get it over like the expectations are lower, it's going to. Be Acre yeah, it's undertaking. Massive undertaking and somehow they deduct points for that like you know Armageddon. Or whatever movies were we're talking about they are what they are. There's room for those. You don't have to just because Michael Bay Iraq's doesn't mean it's bad. It just means it's big. Tell me about it. All right. Thanks, frank I feel better now especially sold school on their great. All right Michael mckean's Zwane out there. Let's do one more here. Peruse lead poisoning. Would you like to? Hear what's going on with lead poets lead poisoning. There's not a solution in sight the problem with lead poisoning there is not at treatment for once you're exposed and your lead levels are high especially under six years old learning difficulties and growth retardation. Now, if I get somebody in the are that acute lead poisoning do Latian therapy where you put a chemical on their blood that. Sucks up the lead. So what they did, this is really the only treatment to get out of the body they kids and they put him in a group that got this relation and an a placebo group and thought there's no difference in terms of learning and growth problems from the lead. There's no treatment is based out of Flint Michigan or none at this is known Is. A big problem over there, and the problem is all the lawsuits, all the people and. For the families and the kids just read a report by Dr. Just Justin firming. And Tijuana Hor. That will leach the lead from your body. Broker WANNA believe it. To debate that. We're anyway. So lead poisoning. MVP, I know I don't get much more time but the BPA's in your plastic be free they're finding their problems with that. So plas. Everything glass. Throw out all your plastics. Bottle Adam. I've been saying this for a Jillian years it all the hydrating were doing with the water bottle that sitting on the dashboard of the car is it smells like plastic and we're doing much more harm than we are. Think of it though you're right all those plastic bottles Beulah during six of those a day pickled. And like I said the stuff clear and it sits out in the backseat of their car and the car's one hundred and eighteen degrees inside. Trouble I think you brought this up one time because I honestly never even thought of it. I thought well, I don't do that I would never drink a bottle that sitting in the back of my car but I don't know where it was sitting before it got to the grocery store I don't know if it was sitting outside once it got to the grocery store get it. You think it's genesis, but it's not well here's what I'm here's where we're living I pay a premium to have a bottle of plastic bottles of water trucked into my house because. Nobody in my house except for me is going to allow the kids or the dog to drink from the municipal water. The comes from the sink for that not packed in plastic and trucked across the United States. But there's no amount of discussion. That's all that's on the table that I can have. With my wife or anyone else about why the tap water is absolutely fine and why the bottled water may actually be causing more harm than good. All right. So what do I know? I'll just keep paying for Bruce, you done. Never done, but I'll be back put it this way it may not be done, but you're finish. Mesa where I thought, you're going to present it. Wasn't. Even notified that you want as award honey it through my segment I complain a little. Yes. You're ace award is like it's out there and says, Joe. Says, nothing on. It. I mean you want an ace award for being thrown out of here? So it's like saying. I know a guy bill doctors like I was one of the top moments baseball history. Might Buddy Daniel has the record or had the record for being the fastest to be submitted in a wrestling competition. In High School, he tapped out in three seconds or something like that and wall. True. The recipient of that honor he's still. On, yes, it is because you know what that should translate to I have the highest capacity to irritate you. have. Any, guest. Guest Almost, anyone. Okay. I'll tell you what I'm not irritated about podcast one man they're doing a little survey and they need your tweets and your comments. So keep sending them. it's easy to a couple of minutes and he give us a hand over podcast one and We try to make the show. The show's all the shows on podcast one, the best we can make them. So go to podcast one and take the survey it's free it's easy to sort of helps the good of the team that's podcast one take survey real quick unless you know what you want podcast one. All right Bruce that's it for you. Thank you. Good. Michael mckeon is out there. I just want to mop up one more call and then we'll take a break. We'll bring. Michael it. Kelly. Hi. Hey thirty four New York what's going on That's me. I just found out I guess via Social Media That my twenty two year old unmarried on employed cousin is pregnant. And my family WHO's very family oriented I'm originally from Ohio is all like super excited about it and my husband and I am thirty four. We've been together for ten years. We were waiting to become very successful before we tried to have a baby and we're trying to have a baby and I just don't feel like anyone in my family or. Even, society now is honoring that commitment to bring a baby into a better place in the world and not just like, Oh, well, here's another cousin for you. Because, we've stopped judging all the politicians or cowardly poesies. He'll never talk about the biggest problem. This country has the only problem, this country or any country has, which is this problem they won't do it. They instead talk around the problem, which is we need better schools. We need better infrastructure we got gotta get. We don't we'RE NOT GONNA have school to prison pipeline. We're GONNA have a cradle the college by all the stuff you would not need if we had responsible parents who raised their. Children, it's a super simple equation. I have two kids. No one ever has to worry about my two kids not because they're special kids not because they're magical kids because they have a dad because they have a mom and dad worked hard in mom takes care of the kids and worked hard and we raise two little good citizens. I used to use an example by the way Dr. drew's kids. He had triplets do we ever need to worry about a world with Dr drew's triplets roaming around This world now because drew was a great dad drew started saving money for these kids college this second a the. Umbilical cord was cut in a Schmo white from there is that's right. That's what he did. He start putting money. into the account. That's right. So we do not have to worry about that or me or drew or anybody, but isn't it like the dumbing down of American participation trophies? No behavior. That's wrong. Oh, it's wonderful. You've had well first thing we need is a dad and a mom and a couple of ducats to rub together and a decent job and whatever else, and then we can start having kids now we start doing. That we're living in an utopia. We keep blaming the fucking school systems workout nothing. We're slide off a fucking cliff. Yes. We should be judging your Ne'er do well cousin for shitting out a kid without having a job and not being married doesn't make them a bad person. Good. But we don't. We shouldn't applaud it and all the Pussy Coward politicians should step up and say something every single topic is discussed everything big. Isis al Qaeda Wall Street climate change a where we can find alternative fuels everything but but the one thing that would actually make a dent in everything. which would be people not shitting out kids who were fatherless and destitute but. I'm just some radical racist guy who's uneducated and has no idea what I'm talking about. Yes, and I still a problem I told the HUFFINGTON, post? How about education and family and I was explained in a condescending tone it's a lot more complicated than that. I don't think Bernie Sanders is gonNA. Want you first vice president running me? Well I would do Bernie Sanders favor well yeah and I would say Bernie you understand all right Bernie. Let's at least agree on this you would love to sodomize American taxpayers. Of course off. So you want to pull his pants down and entering from behind. Have you been reading my case? Listen to me I too would like to provide as many ample holes for you to sodomize humanly possible symbiotic relationship. But here's the problem Bernie you WanNa rape who the tax hair we need tax payers so you can rape them shift. Stream your fool, it's turning into a fucking above ground many pool. Yeah with lanes for of folks for you, right. Of course, I want that to see I understand this is why don't you just start talking about family -education that we can have new generations writes in my mind they're a bunch of unborn rape victims right now that you're GonNa put your Dick in. Full we'll look at the world I've read. By The families break-up if they drop out of the eighth grade, the pulled off, getting caught up in gangs and running and imprison. How can you rape? Yes. Of course, you can rape Agai prison. Yeah. Metaphorically saying physically you can write when prison no problem we're talking about. A. Rate Their wallets if they're imprisoned and as a matter of fact, they rape us because we pays sixty thousand. Yes. So let's ask many little rape victims as possible. Yes. Yes. Put that on your pardon. Do you need a job writing speeches? Now, all right Dr Spans out of their Michael mckean is rolling size and coming in video Max. Michael mckean here better call Saul the name of the show Jones. What can't make them mckeon bill and a huge fan I. cannot fly. I or produce children Choi almost everything. Oh, I'll just say everything he does season two by the way February fifteenth premiers. AMC Ten o'clock. I got maybe you can help us out. Okay. A little on this one I got a call from Bob odenkirk about three months maybe maybe about six months ago I said hey I hear you got this Paul Newman documentary and we got a guys coming in the season is a big race guy I just WanNa get them a copy of it and his name is Ray. And I said. Can you tell me more about the guy and he said now? His name is rain. He's doing guest arc or something that sound familiar. I don't WanNa guy and watch. Listen there's a that goes on in that show that I have I'm not party to. Johnston my little aluminum foil world right for the most part in this season I do come out a little bit more but Yeah Lot goes on I. Don't know I was I was watching. A documentary Brian I don't know if you saw it and probably anyone thought. They've been running and I think it's called. Drunk Hi Dad. Last. Very found it very fascinating. It's very interesting and especially, if you like comedy the origins of comedy and there was some folks there obviously you've worked with but where did you start and how did you start to come up with Well. A lot of it goes back to my first year in college. Many many years ago I met David Lander who was later my partner in Lebron Shirley but in the interim he and I were very close friends and. In, the early seventies I became part of a group called the credibility gap, which was very shearer. David Lander and Richard Beebe the late Richard Beebe. And we did a satire on the radio. It was got a news story rip it off the you know the the ticker tape. Is Cory Lampoon Radio, hour, it's right around the same with a little before this was nineteen seventy. They actually started credibility gap started in sixty eight, and then they eventually amassed the in. This is out of where does that a Los Angeles? The first station was charolais world, which was at the time was an am station it was at the time at the at a hotel in Pasadena. And from there you go where well, we took that act when we kept getting fired from the radio stations. and. So we we kind of took that to the stage when we started working on the stage opening for rock acts and stuff that we the four of us, and then later the three of us. And we opened, for John Denver, and for commando cody and Richie havens, and it was just a strange world. A lot of those audience. They didn't care to see a lot of sophisticated satire and sometimes they throw things to let us know that they didn't want it. So yeah, Let's see. Richie. Havens famous for here. Comes the sun cover. Say. Also Albert Brooks Open Forum. Once, and did a very funny piece on Albert's first album about opening richie havens and wasn't his finest hour. Did you oh Albert Brooks Open for any richer? Yeah. How could anybody open I mean I get it if you're a rock band and you have a lesser known rock band open for you. But if you're a place that serves fondue and the opening act is going to be tie food or Something is probably going to not work real well with that crabs. and. Every. Every person I talked to I remember having a long conversation with the guy was in a Improv troupe called the fray. And he had to go the coach House and Open Pat Travers and it'd be like we need a location your mom's. It's like. Okay Okay and activity. Trying to get out. Right because. We're we'RE GONNA go with US nobody wants to see it isn't. That's such a strange world. It really is the only the only if there's a music act no matter what the Music Act is something that is e even just nominally music act opening for the makes sense, right? But it's not always great sense. I used to I used to live right near the fillmore East and New York during when that was the thing and you would, you would see some very peculiar pairings. I saw tiny tim for the doors. Wow. Now at the time Tiny Day Madman on TV or anything he was just kind of New York's dirty little secret right? He was a hilarious act but people just kinda got up in arms and they just what what are you doing to US whereas Jim Morrison. So you I'm in now you can just. There's so many outlets for what you do or don't you meant in my home. Once, you've put your ground fall into right man. Has Changed Your life man that's just there's to forty. We can get quick charged going on the Tesla and I'm saying so many outlets when I'm saying is is back in the day there was all this talent. You know we've had had Fred Willard was in here not too long ago and you see all these guys back in the day of and Bill Murray and all the guys Gilda radner and all these. But they had to find a place to go right because there was no youtube and there's no funnier dine there's no comedy central. There's there's pretty much Saturday night live that didn't even exist seventy five on day started. Yeah and nobody was really a standup and stand up with sort of the Gig by everyone else did improvisational group theatre parody went blah blah blah, and so there's no they couldn't really do stand. At least put the local they were local. San Francisco, had the committee right Chicago had second city obviously still do and there was second city in. TORONTO. La had a groundlings groundlings. But before the groundlings, there was the premise which was way in the. Coach House nineteen. seventy-nine PATS. Tragically before that, they were one of the Premier Improv comedy arena. Traverse. Yeah boom boom out go your lights. Yeah. So so were you able to make a living? I mean I know Laverne and Shirley came around and there was a paycheck but before that again, not a stand up no SNL no funnier. Die Hard to make a living back then. Yeah. Yeah. Really was. The credibility gap we did you know these gigs and everything, but they didn't pay much. So we also did commercials for for various things. We did commercial for a local Toyota Toyota. Dealership Jack Poet Toyota. We did a couple of those. We did one for head shampoo doesn't even exist anymore doesn't. Seem to go. Ahead. and. And a lot of them. For Atlantic, records, we had a friend over land records whose. Then he gave us these spots and. We kept alive. Kept it going? Do you feel and Maybe maybe don't let me put words in your mouth but. You guys were in it for the love of the game because there wasn't a lot of game ever since the love of collaboration I mean I remember those days at the groundlings acme theater, and stuff. Just collaborate. Just. Because that's what you did. Right. There was never any endgame. We're GONNA shoot this thing. We're GONNA get a bunch of viral downloads. We're going to get it up on Youtube like you just did it, and now I wonder there's so many people that are in it but I'm not sure if they're in it for the reasons you because you weren't being paid initial not so much we were in it to end the Vietnam War and it worked as you noticed seventy five all done right now it's because of us that's job satire. Thank you very much. Recognition I think we deserve but no. No, it's true. We we we didn't. We weren't improvisational credibility gap. We would. Right. But you know, for example, the the the day that Nixon resigned in seventy four. We had a sketch on its feet that night at what is now the Improv at the time was called the pitcher players which it was at the interim between the Ash Grove and the Improv. So did you grow up out here? No, no, no no. Already, grown up when it came I grew up in back east and Long Island New York City and the one of my favorite movies all time spinal tap, where did that come from our? Where were you when you and or Harry or and or whoever thought about it well. This was in the late. Seventies, Rob Reiner had a pilot he and his partner film Michigan and some other actually filled with just kind of peripheral and Bob. But rob sold this pilot had just left all in the family and he sold a pilot or A. Pilot and the premise was it's a guy sitting there at home with his remote just going through a day of television that way you could parody everything that's already. And it was called the TV show and the last sketch or the next to last sketch in the piece was remember midnight special with Wolfman Jack. Yeah well, it was that there was a bunch of those shows come on Friday night or Saturday night and play. You know the they'd have loving spoonful come in there or whoever they sometimes do it live sometimes they lip sync or whatever usually live actually and Yeah you ball shaffer on your to talk about that stuff because he's one of those guys who member he remembers everything he ever saw or heard and can repeat it. It's amazing. But Anyway we had the sketch this idea and I wasn't involved with the writing of the show but Harry was a producer on the show. Chris guests was a writer on the show. And we'd Kristen I had always done these characters and they said, well, how about those guys put band together The original band was myself Harry Chris Loudon wainwright on keyboards and Rascal on Roy unseen was was shoot. Great Bass player Schaffer. Yeah Sklar least. A Great Bass Player, he actually did all the the real baseline because Harry was just kind of picking up the base at the time. And we did this kind of you know psychedelic. Performance and video did spinal tap have too steep for awhile in terms of the appreciation of the audience because I remember. What year did it come out? Nineteen eighty-four I remember in my little circle like you got to see this. But that was in my little circle of those guys are into that stuff. But when it initially came out, it was baffled a lot of people. There's more appreciated a two decades. Later over a decade critics, we were on more ten best lists than anybody that year because critics really loved the film because they know the new was about movies right to in a certain it was it was a documentary was a fake documentary about the way people make real documentaries and just loved that kind of you know double thump. And but a lot of people just. Didn't get it when we previewed the film when we showed it preview audiences, they were really in the dark because. I mean, they had they. WHO's this band? Yeah. They kinda thought they recognize meathead from all in the family. But what the hell is he doing there why didn't they make we just to get the we got these cards. You know showed it in Denver No. In San Francisco and in. Dallas or someplace or Austin or something. And the cards were amazing. The cards were like, why didn't you make a movie about a good band? Why does the camera move around like that? Who are these people and there's a thing is a blank on preview cards. It says in what ways this movie like other movies you have enjoyed. And would you would you? How would you recommend this to your bump of? So on that line, some person had written in dos a no, no sorry excuse me. DNA. DNA DNA does not apply. How much do I like this movie does not apply didn't like it? Well, it is. One of the moves I never once if I ever. Stumbled into it, switch it off because there's always the next scene of already Fuckin- needing you'd have you. Or have you fallen into the seven hour godfather whole now that's on I. Watch hours crew I mean it's like Oh this I'll just watch. Amazing. It's just amazing. We won't rest until we never stopped resting. That's exactly. I mean with all the shows and all everyone I mean, it's like you go right from breaking bad to better call Saul. So everyone's like have you seen all the break you gotta sit down you what you need to ignore your children ignore your job laureate safe and just lock yourself in a room with some. Kleenex and watch all and then there's better call Saul and it's like everyone's doing this binge-watching and stuff but. Probably not building as many bridges and scrapers likes true if we think about it a lot you. Guys the the Golden Gate Bridge did not binge-watch better. Call Saul. So. It's weird but it's like there used to be this I. Mean You know Bruce Springsteen had a song twelve years ago to seven channels and Nothin' on there you go and now got the basic pack. Now it's five, hundred, seventy, four and everything's on. Yeah, and there's just not enough and then you have to get in these arguments were people are like, are you watching this making of murder thing? No, I'm not. You need when you I just watched seventy seven hours of the Godfather. Well, knock it off. I'll put that aside dog died of exposure. The kids are may she aided? They've been left out of school, but now you better watch this. So I do like the fact that that better call Saul is is a weekly show and you wait a year and you can you can binge it you can you can you know or if you're overseas, you can watch on net flicks like now ish but. I I like the idea that we're on every week for ten weeks is the plan or is there a plan for you coming up in terms of more theatrical stuff more comedy, more serious roles? I you know I I never plan you know I think life gives us too many interesting corners to around. And you really never know what's around that corner right now. I'm I'm writing film with my daughter. That's an idea at longtime ago and finally someone in the family who likes to work so. Are the restrooms. And she is she you know she she gets after let's work. Let's go sit down go go and we've been having a great time doing that And you know I'm going to go off. New York. My wife is doing a show at the public called Southern Comfort. But she's been kind of work shopping for five years or so and so that's going to be kind of exciting. I'll be her fancy man do you be working but I'll be doing out do you like or has it attributed? I mean you don't you don't seem burnt out on the business and I guess it's you don't seem burnt out because you've been doing a thousand different things for a long period of time is that the way you like it because I feel like when you've done that? Same Gig kind of thing. There's a burnout factor well I I go back and forth between a TV mainly TV and the ethical. And I've been working on, you know the last ten eleven years have been a lot of work in New York and elsewhere in London Chicago and Williamstown new. York and. Massachusetts and you know really interesting places and La. So I get a chance to to be upstage actor too and It's something that's what I assumed. I would always be doing when I was a kid and wanted to act I assumed I was living in my parents house and get a long island railroad and go in and do a show in New York, and then come on back and we all grow up but still I love doing that as much as I love doing anything else I love working on TV I love this this Gig. With, Odin Kirk and and Vincent Peter and that bunch and Jonathan Banks and racy Horn just Michael Mando just a great bunch of people did yeah. Well, it it's. It's such an incredible show and it's so funny but not overly. So you know in in that way and that character of yours chuck McGill. Is. One of the weirdest most fascinating characters I, think in any TV show because he's a lawyer with like an allergy to electricity and I know you're probably not going to tell us but does that get resolved either way in the upcoming season? No I. Think they're really approaching it very realistically If if a guy is cut off from the world that he saw himself as. A an important part. I should there's at least one conjunction missing from that from that setup, but he wants to get back into. He's trying to climb back into. That's all really tell you that. But too many outlets by the way. When you`re Chris. Michael mckean and a little bit of Dr Bruce to on the show, and of course, we've introduced now introduced Gina Grad who has our current news girl. into the fold. Now let's move forward to April of two thousand seventeen when we hit that nice clean episode two thousand. The atom show where Mike Lynch and rich banks worked tirelessly. For. What I personally think is the greatest. Custom Dick Bank song for the emperor show ever made. It's hard to beat. It's get so many references and blows even my mind that some news able come up all these Adam Corolla show two thousand featuring the try guys and this portion. The episode is just the World Premiere, the Song He's done two thousand podcasts which banks and adamant company react to the hilarity. Trinity in the Air Today Yeah Man. That's my hair's mess. Good Day. Gina. Grand. Ball, Brian. Congratulations everyone. I. WanNa say this. things in life. Creep along we're getting heavy and the happen very gradually, and the very gradual part is the part that makes it. Difficult to wrap your mind around or understand the person. Who you see on a daily basis who loses eighty pounds that's understandable but never jarring. But that same person you haven't seen since last year and then you see them all my God, the way haven't what happened is amazing. How great it just elicits a different response because it's all at once. Versus the very slow of lost four pounds a week for the last seventeen weeks, and now here we are so that never really gets any response because sometimes it gets looking good or whatever but it does not from the day in and day out because those people see every day hard to. And it's a human thing What we've been able to do here. And come to a place and come to a studio I had to. As I was floating around in my freezing cold pool, the other day and looking at philly cheese steak does great move, which is he gets on the He gets on the side of the Pool and looks down on me like, Hey, I'm not fucking nuts I'm not going into the guy if I three I Q and I'm still not going in there but he's all jowl. When he looks down at me, you don't get that Pov if your dog that off and our hopefully if you do. Use, plenty of water soluble lube that will come off in the pool. But that dog just looking down his jowl start surroundings I sockets, which is funny when the spill out into the eyes and he's just looked at me and he does this weird mover picks one pawn. He just puts it out not really not sure what is getting out of it is that you're what he's doing and we high fiving is trying to pull me and like I, don't have anything he needs just does the thing with his Paul. Is Okay. So check him for make sure it moving. I, wish. I was loading in my freezing cold pool and I was thinking to myself you know. You've been able to carve out of life where you have a warehouse. We built this a studio in your warehouse. You've surrounded yourself with people you WanNa work with, and you get to go in there every day and that's your job and I've thinking that is insane. That's that's an insane notion. I'm luck it's insane enough that you're able to get a job on spike TV or you get a job on whatever radio station or whatever that is but the idea that you just to go to that warehouse, you bought to put a couple of cars in back in the day and go sit in your studio and talk into your microphone as a job is pretty outrageous. Now it's been done incrementally and for so long that it doesn't feel like it would feel if I was just. In high school or swinging a hammer or whatever it was. My former life was if I just woke up here, it'd be. Oh, Mike. God. This is insane and it's important I, think for everybody to. See. If you can dunk yourself in the freezing frigid waters of life every once in a while and think wait a minute here. I am looking at this I mean so easy to with the kids and the schedule and everything everything just kind of pass you by where at the you know we're capable as humans of marveling at. You know it took me take me and Tivo or DVR. From. Wait a minute. You can't stop TV you can't pause a live show. I'm not a warlock that that's alchemy. We can't do this stuff. How do you do to Jesus Christ I record of the Goddamn playoff game but didn't do this To, the fourth quarter I'd say the last three minutes the fourth quarter now I'm rip yet. That's how we're. That's what we're able to do is human being right from the Oh my God. I could've traded. A five year old DVR. To Elvis for his house? In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five, possibly two of them possibly to us. And a couple of his lady friends but. Now I'm yelling at mine because it wasn't smart enough or I wasn't smart enough to hit the extent and record the rest of the fourth quarter of a football game. so That's where we're at and I am going to tell you right now that I do appreciate this i. do think about this that I I realize it can't be done without you guys. It can't be done with out the sharing I Took philly cheese steak for a walk on. Friday. Night when everybody was somewhere other than home and I just called the Guy Matt from Chicago who had lost his dad and a sister in the plane crash. and. We had a nice chat and He's twenty four and my God. I mean you know talking him about? His toolroom and him and his dad had his tool room and they had the tool room in the basement than I was asking what he had and he did this. Part where he said. We have a band saw there's a band saw but we we have to put it. I have to put together still in the box kind of thing and I sort of realized Oh, he got down. Well, his dad was around and they had planned on putting it together and using it but We a very nice conversation and. That you call. Well, meant a lot to me because I sing our fans. He said Oh we saw you in Chicago and we saw you doing stand up and we started doing live podcast of took my dad. My Dad took me whatever it is. that's why we're here and we never lose sight of that. So I want to thank all of you for listening for all these years and being a part of these two thousand episodes. So I appreciate it, and now we'll move forward with our two thousand episode Let's see we got our rich banks Song Gary Brian has it I do all right I have not heard it. I have not either let's check it out. Give it a lesson. would be the beginning of something break. Or could be. Painful. Humiliating Twenty minutes. Let me tell you about first off I gotta say this, I'm nervous. I don't know why but. Never, done this before. Pets on Adams Pageant Crystal Brain back. Bryant's Cancer Lazy Be. Set. The. Basle. Win Bryan Cranston Brian Bishop both with the. Burns. Turns tape for the? Guy Bryan Cranston does Noble showers high pissed off the. Two thousand. and. Two thousand. Keith. Overpower makes you save fifty years. I've talked. Gary. Turkey it on a flight been spell. For Trips Occupy Wall Street. To, winning bonded team is dropping. and. 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That was rich banks debuting the He's done two thousand podcast songs. Now rich has been doing songs for the Corolla. Show for many years. He's he does obviously the run tomatoes interest on any any song any custom song. Ritual do and he's so good at it. He does every he produces all of it from his own house and whenever we need us on, we can email him lyric ideas and what song we wanna use, and he just he just runs with it and he's so quick very sexually embarrassing story. They're going to get a song about very true and as we've visited many times in banks bracket madness. Last year when we those big march madness game that was when we will recap that which will be extreme challenge show, but we will do it eventually. Yeah. That's tough and just shows you how good rich with riches with even less things off the brackets, which, of course, annoyed many of the people at home keep price budgets, right? That's very true. I didn't do the seating I'll be honest but. And I remember is fan voted for the rest of in there were some Some some bracket busters I I can't neither confirm or deny that. Okay. Let's get going with our final clip of the day. This is episode two, thousand four. In the features, jet appetite. Beloved. Guest to the show famer comes on all the time. Nobody gives the politics caveat is. Just. Comes on the show and he seems to see who Adam really is a person and we don't have to deal with any of the yeah. Buts. Come, show great and jazz. Great Show. Two, thousand, four, February two, thousand, seventeen jeep Grand Brian Bishop, check it out. For you. I. I think of you is sort of like the custodian of comedy. Like. Circus of live getting out. You. Know. What I'm saying is is like the guy. Who is more interested in comedy lighten like I guess. I'll I'll. I'll put it to you this why? Some guys like driving race cars but they don't have an interest in cars. Yes. I've met a million race car drivers where it's like they want to get paid then went to get laid and they wanna get them WanNA drive. But as far as when they're done like you go hey, what's the I like car I'm like? What's the displacement of the motor I like I don't know ask the mechanic you know I they don't know they don't care they just. WanNa. Go drive. That's how I am about the camera with the lenses do. I need someone to explain isn't. Guys who WANNA drive but the remote, but I also want the cars and they wanNA know all. About the cars and you know, Blah Blah Blah and even. May enjoy restoring a car even more than driving the car, whatever it is and. Your case I feel like you're the comedy version of that. You want appreciate. Yes. What it is the history of it that you like the custodian of it and as far as driving like, yeah, get up and do some stand up get in front of the camera, but it's mostly about the preservation restoration the creation well, I'm a hoarder. So I, it's all you know I like to express myself. I love the challenge of trying to be a funny writer director I. Love The challenge of trying to be funny doing stand up. because. It's so hard to achieve true greatness to get to level of the guys that we know are the women that we know who are the very best, and I like that I like having a high bar. That's GonNa keep me busy for a while trying to get to it but I also can watch somebody like Maria Bamford and just sitting here my jaw on the floor amazed at how smart and funny and weird she. Is, and I've been like that since I was a kid I used to sit and watch Mike Douglas and I'd watch someone like Michael Keaton who is a comic in the beginning right and I would just track them like he was an athlete like Oh my God he's gotTa. GotTa pilot we've with Jim Belushi. Co Working stiffs I, hope it's good and then I would just track him through his whole life and I've always loved those. Characters, that's what's been fun about doing standup big added because I felt like I did stand up for seven years and I had drifted from the tribe and it's good to be back. Well, you've always. It's always been in you. And I know I was listening to you over the Christmas break being interviewed on Howard? Stern. And you're talking about your family and divorce and your dad, and then you doing the kind of stuff that probably should have been a tell in terms of what you're going to be doing and I'm curious how your family responded I have all these things which is, well, you're young kid is torturing animals. They probably going to be a serial killer like and you go not like Oh my God I hates squirrels it's like, no, no, he this. This is a global thing. It's not if he only hated squirrels when he was in his forties, we'd we'd be okay. Yeah. It'd be a little bit of a problem with him and his wife probably when they go on walks going walks or go to the park. Squirrel. Happen he'd go tearing after it but it this is a global problem but this is an indicator of something that is a bigger thing and you know you recording Saturday night live and on a cassette and then transcribing it that is an indicator that's you're torturing of scoreless. Exactly. Bill haters to do that to that. I mean he's young. But when I was a kid, you know there was no VCR's that record it and so that was The reason why you had to audio record it because there was no way to to save it because also back then I didn't understand reruns work. So Steve Martin was on Saturday night live there was a part of me that thought. Oh, I'll never see this again right and so it felt very precious. Sure it. Now we know everything's out there. So people even bother to do anything they're like, yeah, I could catch. But back, then it was scary and felt so important to me and I didn't how it worked. How does this sketch work? Why is this funny is it's not funny. I wanted to write it out. So I could figure it out. I was a big SNL nerd at the same time. Did you have the same thought as me naively as a kid like all these got there. And they make it all up and they kind of know if they're gonna do but they got there and they add liberal was Saturday night live book when I was a kid and it had all the scripts in it and photos and behind the scenes and I think in my head I thought that would be the coolest place to work to be have those be your friends. gained. So like, yeah, I remember trying to record like doctor demento on a Sunday night hearing young weird Al, the inviting own demand. Nerdy guy was I took that another step I took a train alone to poughkeepsie at sixteen years old and interviewed Doctor Demento and weird out. was that was that Nazi. I'd hear him out here syndicated in southern California. So I had no idea where he was and my simple mine he was always just here Jessica's that's where my radio was, but he was back East poughkeepsie. Well, he was they were touring. Oh, they were Tori maybe wasn't planted back and Al just did a benefit with us the other night at. The at Largo at the net and they he did a medley with his band. It was so freaking hysterical. He came out and he didn't tell me what he was going to do and I didn't know you know because it's a benefit. He's GonNa do one song. He does like at seven eleven minute medley of every great song and you just realize, Oh, I been watching this guy since I was fifteen years old and it made us all so happy it was like with James Taylor was funny people we all started crying when he performed his scene in the movie perform like fire and rain or something right and you forget Oh, I'd never been around when James Taylor wasn't around like just hit you had some emotional place that's about weird al.. wannacry I'd sub level does so for. Do the parents and and they should just like they should recognize the torturing the Squirrel thing at age twelve do your parents see what you're doing recording transcribing snl going out than wanting to get interviews with everybody? Do they recognize that and go? Hey. This kid is going to be doing this one day Oh. Yeah. Because my grandmother's best friend was female comedian named Toady fields how? Old's untold fields where people feel don't know toady was a name I mean toady married Anna. Profession Tony. Tony Fields was A. Heavy Satish I think. Yeah. A comedian that was like not your top duck you you you knew household name, but if you're around in the seventies. Era this would have been she well she. And she beyond that, you'd see your online match game and stuff like that. She was one of those celebrity comedians ten bill. Would be on that show with Bert convy with the couples. Yes I forgot that show is called her you'd like. Hide one half of the couple and ask questions and. So my grandmother would take me to go see here she died and seventy, eight, forty eight. So says Garett she had diabetes. and. She had to have her leg amputated and I went to see her Westbury music fair. She has one leg she comes out. Place gives her standing ovation. She's insanely funny and target about having one let and I think on some level I just thought. Oh. There's a place for me in the world. If this one legged woman is so beloved and hysterical ingenious and. This is a pretty good job you because I felt like a weird one legged person. You know I felt different and I thought Oh. She's so beautiful and you know she's like a slightly chubby woman. You know her act was very much about like being overweight if you look at this picture. She's not really that overweight, it was just A. Terrible definitions of beauty that made her to do jokes about being overweight and she's awesome. She was really incredible. Also, there's A new fat sheriff in town and it's all of us which is. I just walked to an Indian casino and outside of Sacramento and I saw people. Women that were massive and young. That was like the scary part like twenty-three-year-old chicks that weren't three hundred but just beg, I mean not and I've always said like. Yes the Tony Fields to a young Adam crawls like, oh, she said Fat Lady Comedian. He not fat courtesy pounds. Right. But. Think about. Think about the three stooges curly was the first. One hundred ninety two pounds shorter thicker guy I was just watching the blues brothers the other day and Belushi was like the fat guy nowadays he's. Marginally. Overweight. Belushi weight most of the time. I was I was having this the revelation which is. When I was a kid if you want to the supermarket or the mall or What have you and there was A. Fat Woman or Fat Guy. And he was she was they were making their way up and down the aisle you'd go call your sister or your friend or whatever, and go. You gotTA check after don't look look I'll five look in the frozen foods you see him and it'd be like the novelty of mangoes a big fat man or big fat. Then, I found myself walking through an airport like in Chicago and at Chick slid in front of me and she worked at the airport and she was a big big person I found myself going like Oh my God look like I was back in junior high or something. And then another. Look. POPs trying to torture the squirrel, put that because they. Show it and I was like Oh my God look at this, and then another chick slid in equally as large and then I looked around and realize everyone is a huge. You're the Weirdo. Now sucks to eat healthy it sucks I mean I. So love to eat I think about it all day long. I know when I was a kid I must have been very. And if I was lonely or frustrated but how I dealt with it was we had a grill in the center island of my kitchen. Wow and I would make hamburgers every day every day I'd make double cheeseburgers or make grilled cheese sandwiches and eat intimations. Cake with it and it made me so happy and to this day. It's pure joy eating food. There's no downside other than my death. I I love it and I'll play that enough I I love being so stuff that the blood goes to my belly and I. That's my version of like people who have to be choked while they have sex. The pass out moment of eating. Compassion for people who can't control it because I can't control it and I haven't had much sugar the last month. And I think that life is not worth living it is it has been so hard to get rid of it. Can I take for check? Please? Can I. Posit this thought here 'cause it's the one thing I i. it's it's it's the thing like you go like, Hey, one day you'll be rich you'll be able to drive a cool car. You'll live in a cool house. You'll be able to go to cool parties. You'll be able to do this and you'll get the best of this and the best of that and everything else. But the one thing it doesn't by is. Your ass still gets fat when you weekday in and out Burger at you want that in and out. Burger every bit as bad as you've always wanted and it's like the one thing that when I grow up I up poor I grow hungry and then transitioned into a life where I was poor and hungry like it was just always you know epic battles when I was twenty six I who's been eating my cereal like which nine roommates have gotten into my flakes on. Mark on this thing and the date, and now it's down three inches and it's like big battles about Oh wait who's cereal food is the food that makes you fatter. Yeah. But you couldn't get fat back then because I was a carpenter and. Instructor and I was hungry all time poor all time. So it's like I leave the house. He didn't leave all your snacks and all your water and all your everything just go climb on a roof, swing a hammer for eight hours and then come home again and look for some bottom rahm because the top ramen was a little rich for my blood but we didn't it like it wasn't an issue was always but it was always like where's and then every once in a while. We had a rich friend. Her name is Janey. And she belong to the Encino Country Club and about three or four times a year she'd be like. They have a Sunday buffet with a guy who makes mom limits and a guy who makes waffles and another guy makes pancake. I'm there in my mind right now there's a station. Station. Just right. Well, how's that work? You gotta go there and blow the guy? No No, you just tell them what you want your walk Hosoi station the stuff. It's already there. It's already there. So he's got, he's got the scallions and the tomatoes and he's got the hammer. It's all there. It's all there and it's like Oh my God and boy, you'd have it on the calendar. We're going this Sunday we're going Sunday and we'd show up and it'd be like, Oh, my God, you get the plate what direction directionally go don't use to plates that's a rookie move. Up on the wrong stuff you have to pay. Too, Much Brad, because you need room for the the wings. Yeah you're right. So would it be like strategizing and like you'd go all right but I got an Cheney would say you can back you can back. You can eat what do we do at the plate they take the plate you get play a new one my God can I tell you the funniest sketch that I saw was years ago I think it was like when read just did the morning show I don't know if this is from another show but Howie Mandel when. Buffet in Vegas, and this is such a simple prank joke. But so perfect, he pretended to be the one of the cooks at a buffet in. Vegas. And all the joke was was that when people are feeling of their plates, he would tell them they were taking too much and make them put some of it back and people lost their minds. Chicken you're not gonna eat all that and he would take it off their plate and they would. Just screaming there it's such a it's it's so it's so simple that the best it's like the best comedy premise is just the super simple. Yeah. Comedy premise and that's very basic when I used to do ask Mr Hardware for the man show where I just go to the hardware store and certain confront people and ask them what they're up to. The one thing that always worked is that just find a guy go what is that and he got cordless drill go. It's a little too much tool for you. I think we should put that back and maybe just get you like a foreign once we were driver and they it would work everything. Go nuts like, what are you talking about? How dare you? How dare you like? Weird like I think it's a weird shame. Yeah. Thing mix with they're not gonNA pull it off and yeah people speak up. There was one of the handyman and it was very simple which was he's like the guy at the parking valet and all the drivers are clearly like stunt drivers and they had faked cars. So as you're like waiting right when you drop off your car, the car in front of you pulls away and they have like stunt guys fish tailing doing crazy stuff. So you don't know if you should leave your car right because that is so dangerous and everyone's still left their car. Oh yeah but they're afraid to say no. The funny thing about here's a funny thing I find about trump is that he eats a lot of fast food which I always think means that someone who's not thinking long term he doesn't exercise. He's our first president who doesn't have any exercise regiment at all I I. Think about that every once in awhile I'm sort of. Angry and jealous though. Like now I mean it's like it's like that sort of Fonzie things gas got boots I don't have tennis shoes and you're like, but what are you running I don't and they need? Some sort of old school thing you know because Bush would break and you know I know Obama ran or are you played golf basketball I think he's a really played some but but I do nothing. And eating the Taco Bell, we never had a president. So out of shape. The world we're living in with people getting fatter not being a thing anymore it's like. We have a president who is objectively overweight. He's he's a he's a he's a he's an obese man by any standard and yet it's never discussed. It's Never Joe Jabber ages the ages the healthy like everyone in that job ages so fast. But I always wonder if there's something in his psyche. He's an zone that I don't think anyone else's in like he lives in his own bubble that he may not feel any stress. I don't think he I. Think you're I. Think you're right. I don't. I. I gotTa tell you the the the couple encounters I had with him one when I was doing the the marriage ref, right the Seinfeld show he was. On, with me and Gloria Estefan. Trio right there. Youtube right now. I. Remember Thin you checks and balances. Better bring the funny because I'm not sure trump and Gloria are to are going to pull this off but He just walked up. He's like Hey Adam and I was like I don't think. There's going to be episode ever be the best, and then he pasi once could be the most highly rated. You check you check tomorrow. Yeah. It's going to be the most highly rated episode they've ever aired and I was like I don't know how to check I'd be scared to check I. Never think to check how do you know and by the way based on? Me That's zero. Then we got glorious divide three and a half, and then there's you like, what are we basing this? This rating spike on and and then he wa- it but but for that moment. I felt good. Sure you're on the. On the back and said, this is going to be the highest rated episode. You wait uc you check and I was like. Felt good I think a lot. It's like that's that's the number one appeal Tom who the real estate. You're scared Whitey. You want pitches a book. You can't have. You can't have pitches on these shows because right at the end of the campaign I was watching one trump tom loose the past he was a real estate a guy would infomercials for. From Vietnam. Clean Dishes for twenty years. Now, look at me. Huge Florida pitches dripping from walls. 'cause he. Had One of his last speeches. He he literally started saying things that we're very infomercial like he wasn't like all was into a huge crowd of thousands. All of your dreams are going to come true and you know there's a lot of people in our country whose dreams are not going to come true I. Mean we all Share jams and it's a very weird thing to sell to people but he he's really into metrics. He's into how many people were at the inauguration how many people watch the marriage ref how many people watch you print what what are the polls and as the polls don't. Service the idea in his head he does lead to a meltdown when people say, Oh, he's the most unpopular person who is now the president that's ever been I don't know how he handles it because it is about the marriage ref thing and I feel like people who are in. Who are into those numbers on some level? He's really not taking a moment to go. There's a kid about to have heart surgery waiting in Syria to get here who has a green card and I've kept her out because it's about this larger number three point two, million people watched the marriage ref I and I have no idea how rated by have. A theory about that? Yeah. 'cause it's it's interesting because trump is very much into what happened to you know celebrity apprentice and the marriage Raffin who's number one and who's got the most and numbers numbers numbers also by the way what he does that move like slapped you on the back and goes this thing's going to be number one guarantee check tomorrow. It's a basic version of what every old black guy did it every box Jim I used to go to which he calls everyone chairman chant. Yeah and you just walk in. Go Hey champ, how you doing and I love would be chief. Chief of ominous anywhere something What can I get you chief I literally light up to I. Love Champ, I love chief. Now, the thing that's crazy is, of course, I'm not a champion knows people are champion chief at nor chief away feels good and you get a lot of mileage because people are like a guy I like that guy you know he assaulted his wife I don't care seems like a good guy calls me someone calls boss boss is nice bosses is yeah, it's so. My theory with trump, but I don't know this. My feary that he has with his unpopularity unpopular polling terms of him as a president. I wonder if he does this thing where he goes well, of course, if you tell kids to do their homework and be get vaccinated, you're not GonNa get a very high score from those kids. Yes. This is me as a sorta dad of the nation telling the given given some tough love to these people that are a lot of. Connell having some that. That's how you get stuff done. Yes. Like I don't know was George which Patton was he popular with his troops or or did he get the job done? I think he might go there. Yeah. In his head Sir to sleep at night I think he has two sides. One side is a casino owner. So his whole thing is like patented on the back on, you're gonNA, win tonight and he the other side is I'm happy to take all of your money and I'm in the other room trying to figure out how to make sure you don't have any money when you leave here but I, think that he Hears the I find most fascinating? I think he really thinks he's going to fix every single thing in the country I think he really believes I believe that by piece I'm going to fix everything. But he he's like a short sighted person. In the same way he doesn't really care about the environment or his own health. He doesn't have a long term view so he says to the Senate. Switch, the rule from sixty senators needed to approve a supreme court justice. Fifty So we can get our guy through. He's not the guy who says, but yeah. But if I lose for years the Democrats now have that rule like I. Don't there's no time horizon choices now I think it's a I think it's He's going toady fields. You know the leg was gone it's time to do some comedy. You're not going to be here forever be a bulwark situations where you're saying, yes and I and I think that he's Kinda doing a I'm going to eat junk food not gonNA work out, and by the way you know if somebody said you look. Got Hold of you when you're thirty and said. Here's the deal. You can eat junk food for the rest of your life. You're never have to work out ever. Again you're going to be the president and you can bang euro models but you die at seventy four I probably would've taken out. Version is I marry a shrew and we die together in our eighty miserable eating Kale. I'm just GONNA. Go ahead her I'm going to check the first box. Well, I always say my thing is I don't fear disease or death from eating I fear eating perfectly my entire life and then getting hit by a bus and living long enough to know I could have all of it. Yeah. I always thought about that. You never want to die on the way home from the. 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Survivor All-Time Top 40 Rankings | #27: Guatemala

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Survivor All-Time Top 40 Rankings | #27: Guatemala

"If you're enjoying the top forty season countdown get even more out of your art. Jp experience and help support the shows. You love by becoming. A patron of rob has a podcast. We've got a weekly patron feedback. Show and so much more for you waiting. Come check out all the benefits at rob as website dot com slash patron. Everybody what's going on. Rob says reno back here once again. Talk about the twenty seventh best season of survivor. According to you the listeners rankings of the forty seasons on our top forty countdown. Today we are talking about survivor. Guatemala the eleventh season overall of survivor and we have a great panel to talk about survivor. Guatemala one is gold. One is platinum. I'll leave it to you to decide. Who's who of course. Very excited to get to talk with the busiest man in podcasting taking a break from his coverage of big brother. Canada and also the circle taryn armstrong. Here taryn. how are you good. I'm happy to be with people who aren't scumbags Definitely looking forward to not getting bitten by crocodiles. Yes taryn so good to have you onboard your talk some survivor here today. And then we have a honest to goodness survivor. Historian here with us to talk about all things survivor guatemala. It was no race choice to bring this metaphor. give it up for mike blue emu. I am thrilled to be here for a whole pyramid of reasons. Rob terron everybody out there. Because i do admit there is a secret. I have held for the seven years. I've been podcasting. I have not been given the proper last name. And i hope that finally in this podcast you can finally call me by my real name. Mikey hogan bloom. i'm gonna beat you and you'll see how could you i'm gonna look you up. Wow okay what is being able to find your address every to look you up. Now listen you know. I went to. I went to the same college as mike. But i i didn't. I didn't know not the same person as enduring clearly. Did you even used to be a man who are at all listen. Don't ask me what i did. Fifteen years ago okay. Because i'm not. I'm not gonna i'm not gonna lie to you about it. I'm not a liar. Man's man man. Okay damn man or All right so we have so much to get to. And what a great panel here. Today this is going to be a really fun to talk about survivor. Guatemala season which. I really think kicked off the second. Would you say decade. It was like a decade and years in terms of like basically the teens of survivor. And i feel like a really tried to kick it into a new gear of physicality that we see here in this season. So there's a lot to break down. Their first time with the returning players brought back to be coaches basically of season unfortunately for survivor. This is a format that we have talked about a pretty extensively here in the all time countdown in the u. fourth. I fourteen sees that we've talked about here. Between south pacific redemption island and the edge of extinction only really survivor. Philippines has somehow managed to avoid the bugaboo of bringing back returning players as basically captains of teams. But we'll talk about the first time they do it here with stephanie. Bobby john and Much more here and we are back live here today on a wednesday of course that we have a big brother canada coming up tonight streaming so it'll be a very busy day for terron but because tara needs to be on big brother. Canada were here earlier in the day to talk about survivor. Guatemala so we are back live streaming here and then we'll be back with the livestream again once big brother. Canada wraps up one more surprise to add in here for you So we're going to have talking with deeper is going to be back this week and a very excited to say that we are going to be talking with the stealth bomber herself. Danny bahrain talking cheaper. So that should be very exciting so surprising she. She beat the radar on this one. Be the radars snuck right. Nobody saw coming in. Beat podcast chart. So she's making the podcast charts in that regard. That is super exciting. I'm glad she's going to open up to you guys more than she did survivor. Production back in two thousand and five with winners at war brought to light. I know that she certainly has a lot to say about both her. Very different experiences on survivor. So i mean really has been sort of like a guatemalan renaissance or at least from the discussion perspective in the past couple years and danny is continuing that conversation so be on the lookout for that. That's going to probably drop over the weekend. I think sunday night. We'll get that talking with t. Bird outs you and of course we will get to your questions here today. But we'll continue answering more of your questions on our feedback. Show that we do every week for the patrons and we have the three amigos together. It's gonna be mr guatemala jordan k. leash aaron robertson and nick fishman on the patron feedback. Show that we do every week if you want to hear that this weekend. Check out everything on our patron feet at roberts website dot com slash. Patron alright we talked about the returning players. Coming back as coaches and i guess. Let's let's dive in here. Because i think the medically that sort of sets the tone for the season stephanie. And bobbi john taryn. Did you have feelings in the real time about the return of stephanie and bobbi john. I did actually as as a kid. I was very pleased. I was very excited. Because it really was palau. Felt like such a momentous season. It was like the first time anything like that had happened. And this sort of i remember the sort of the heir of that time was like all these. These two would have been great if only they had had a better tribe. If only you know they they really survived so long in it. And we'd never seen a tribe of to before minnesota so cool to see them come back and it was like. Oh now they're going to do so well because they're going to have good tribes and it was very exciting. Yeah mike there was no bigger survivor. Juggernaut maybe like not since the first season or two then stephanie la- gross coming off of polo. I mean i would say. Rupert might come close nets a million dollars but yes stephanie. I think it's safe to say of the first. Ten seasons stephanie. Larosa was by far the most popular female player. And definitely i would say in the top five of most popular players of all time. It really cannot be understated. How much people love stephanie. The journey that she underwent you see on the show that there are people in this season. Who tells stephanie. I applied for the show because you like her. Story is incredibly inspiring. And then with. Bobby john deterrents you get someone who some people might have felt was screwed a bit in survivor. Palau wasn't actually voted out. It was just that he was on a tribe of two and had to face down in a fire may challenge and not in the fun final four variety even he doesn't even make it to the merge but still bobby john is one of my favorite characters of the first ten seasons and he still is even watching him back because i love that. We essentially get survivor. Version the alabama mode of. Doctor bruce banner and the hulk right where you have. Bobby johnston's genteel southern democrat. Yes miss stephanie. I'm just gonna do my work around camp. And i think we're all going to do a great job and the challenge then as soon as jeff hits that go bell he's snarling. He has growling. he is giving himself an aneurysm. Basically with each and every challenge. And so i i love the effort with what she brings it here and so having these to come back i mean it was a really fantastic thing to see as as fans of long pull out but it's also very weird rob. You said it before. And i'll say it again survivor. Guatemala is a weird season of survivor. And that is why. I'm so excited to talk about it. It's not like the nicaragua version of weird where it's sort of negatively tinged. There's so much odd stuff that is happening in this season. In the experimental era of survivor. Truly and one of these being. This is the first time we saw returnees and all star. But this is the first time we're going to bring in people who have already played the game before to play with a bunch of new people. It's old hat by twenty twenty one but back in two thousand and five. It was truly a game changer. Yeah and the timing on. This is also interesting because a survivor palau airs in the spring of two thousand and five and so basically the finale of survivor palau airs and then they probably go and are filming this within two three weeks of the finale of survivor. Plows the plows very fresh in. Everybody's minds and stephanie was such a no brainer. But this does feel like one of these things and we talked about this with survivor. South pacific where it's like. We wanna bring back returning players like okay Let's bring back coach. And then i think they wanted to fill up. They couldn't fill up all right. So let's think who else. Can we bring about ozzy in here. It's like well. Who do we bring back with stephanie. Tearing they ended up going with. Bobby john but i still as much as mike loves. Bobby john that one is still the head scratcher for me to bring back. Bobby john like why why of what was so great about this. These two that made it through long to come back and play again in the next season. I really i really think it's the story from palau in and and i i think it makes such an impact the fact that it had never been seen before and a lot of people feeling like they. They deserve a second chance like they were. Let down by their tribe maids. They should come back in. Have another shot at this under the real. Shot at this in with stephanie. Coming back a kind of makes sense to me that. Yeah you bring back. Bobby john as well Obviously i think that they're they're probably plenty of better. Options in terms of male cast mates. Can i throw something of that. So i've been thinking about this over the last couple of days and does it have to be another man to bring back. I thought about how about this as the other person. You bring back with stephanie. What about amy from van to basically the other like female stand out from the previous season you bring back sort of post all stars right here was sort of like the person who was like a strategic challenge threat in amy who was like a really big figuring that season and then also stephanie. Like i think that that's a fair way to make these captains be instead of just stephanie. Bobby john i mean listen i love me some mamie cusak. You throw me cusak on a season. I'm gonna eat it up but that doesn't go with the steaming of the returnees. In my opinion i think to terrence point. It really was about second chances this idea of like. oh well. this person didn't get shot. Even though stephanie makes it all the way to seventh place people might argue like well if she started out on karur. She had that that alliance on the first day she to the point where the rumors going into the season. You know it wasn't. Let's bring back amy cusak. Let's bring back. Johnny fairplay was have of jonathan and wanda. They might be the returnees about a certain australia contest in his putting his scarred hands possibly all over survivor guatemala. There were certainly talk about how in disregard it was less so titans of the game coming down from the pyramid and more so people that might want another chance to continue the narrative. Which to your point rob is a bit incongruous with the way jeff introduces right. Essentially like these are the chiefs of your new tribes each the mayan gods ascending down high. That are doing this game. yeah. I haven't really watched survivor palau yet. In this count and i don't think we will for a while. But it's like stephanie bobby. John had their chances in survivor. Like like one. Jonathan were screwed much. Worse than stephanie. And bobbi john i mean they had cha taryn. They were in a challenge to onto against like the b. team of karur and they couldn't even get it done. This is a different time. Rob this is. This is a time. Where bobby john is. Seen as one of the toughest survivor players of all time yes and describes him as the hardest working survivor. Ever sorry bitch. I feel like i feel like when you look back at it. It feels like what were they thinking to some degree but at the time it really just made sense to me at least as a you know one the when was this thousand five five six. Yeah so i was like fourteen. Yeah i think. Mike in the real time coming off of palau. Were they sort of like seeing. And that's necessarily like as a romantic couple but kind of like a duo stephanie. Bobby john jan hair. Well even though. I think their last episode. Stephanie does not have kind words for bobby john. He's nasty. He's blowing snapchat rackets all over the cave and you sort of get a sense here in this season that actually the two of them don't really like each other. It's more of a marriage of convenience of like we just happened to be the last to want to try. And now people link us together but that's also fun to to pair them up to write as sort of opposition of yet maybe there's blood versus water aspect of like. Oh will they turn on the other one. Then there's also a natural sort of competition of like you know. What my if i get to finally win an immunity challenge like my does not stink so much for the other person on that other Yeah so the locale of survivor. Guatemala is really incredible. Mike that would you say. Is this the season at least aesthetically. That is a most interesting to look at in. Terms of the season was played among the mayan ruins. Yeah i mean if you're talking about tribe camps if we're doing an outwit outplay outlast tribe camps number one by far has to be frigging mayan ruins. The remains of a civilization had judd sergeant playing on them nat-. It's absolutely remarkable. And i mean good on the tourism board for allowing that to happen considering what some people do on the ruins over the course of thirty nine days. I'm very surprised. Or hopefully the cleanup crew got their money's worth after the fact but even outside of the actual mayan ruins the challenges themselves. Seems to be all around the maya. This is outside of fiji and thailand. This is one of the first times in this countdown. Rob that i think we are significantly diving into a time. When survivor tended to reflect a lot of its aesthetic around the culture and especially in this aspect around history and while maybe in retrospect some of the colonial aspects this idea of like you know a mostly white cast encountering native aspects might seem a bit taboo. And does it play particularly well. I really do enjoy guatemala. In particular with how much lower and history they try to package wissies it. Yeah they definitely lean into that quite a bit over the course of the season And course it's worth mentioning perhaps attaran the most physical season to date and perhaps ever yeah and it really is like the setting and the physicality of it are really what would stand out to me in my memory. I remember it just feeling like this is so tough and and i think probably africa was very difficult as well but But this one. I i was always stuck out to me. As one of the more unique uses of the show both in terms of its setting and in terms of just how it plays out. I always remember like the little dock with the pool and the crocodiles in the soars and the hike a in the ruins and it just. It's it stands out in that way in a way that it almost becomes forgotten because it is so unlike other seasons of survivor. But that's why i've always loved it all right. Let me let me let me. Just get this out of the way. This season is too damn low. I don't call many things a travesty. But there's printed. I love talking with you guys. I love talking about guatemala. But i am very sad. Talk about guatemala. This point while we're even so many virtues at the top here just makes me look back and be like number twenty seven really people number twenty seven well. Let's explore that. Why do you think that is because this is not a season like some of the previous season's that i've talked about also big shout out to me for completing over now. Thirty three percents of our all time. Season rankings Rewatch here compliment. Yes but through. Many of the seasons in the bottom third of survivor that are seasons that have very upsetting incidents that happen in terms of the we have things like inappropriate touching incidents of racism and sexism and all sorts of things that upon reflection like. Yeah i don't know how much i really love going back and visiting with that season here in guatemala and again perhaps be you know who knows what might have happened in this season had they actually had diverse cast. But there's no incidents to speak of in terms of any reason that you could point to for being a bottom third slanting spot in the countdown. I'm there was. There was hopes that people getting eaten by crocodiles. They didn't deliver promises. I think honestly this is less so marble negatively. I think aaron roberson talked about this last week. We are starting to get into the survivor. Blind spots Where there are a lot of seasons. That i think if people do not rewatch day forget about. I have been beating the drum that survivor. Guatemala is the most underrated survivors season of all time. And it's not an enumerated but it's not the underwriter in the realm of like. Oh it's people hated but there's good parts of it more so nobody really talks about it and there's a of really good stuff to it and to that point because we rarely see any return from it. There are no notable things and even concepts like returning players and a hidden immunity idol get accelerated too much more a much more like flashy value in later seasons. And the fact that this comes in chronology where you yourself roth and many others were tuning out of survivor. Not necessarily watching live. I was hearing the tunnel but it really falls between the cracks. And i think it's a damn shame man. It's it's a damn shame that we have to talk about it here especially look I do not want to impugn anyone's rankings. But i will say if you out there. Ranked survivor all stars above survivor. Guatemala you may experience a knock at your door. I have sent margaret to your house because you are clearly undergoing heatstroke or such an observation. Foy yeah i completely. I completely agree. I i think the big and it's been called the forgotten season. The cast members Would often complain that nobody ever gets brought back from guatemala. Which is which is funny because it was the first season to have a mixed cast with returning players It is also the first season with an immunity Sort of like. I said the fact that is so unique kind of sets it apart. When you think about survivor you don't think about wata. Amalia you think about eg think about the beach locations which is like ninety percent of survivor and and there just isn't representation from or in the fact that probably the biggest character of guatemala is stephanie from palau. Doesn't help either right. So i think this is a lot of reasons why it just kind of gets forgotten. And it's also what it's worth. I think that the longevity of survivor is in the strategy up characters and setting is great. And i still love this season for it but i think the reason survivor has lasted so long is because the strategy is ever evolving in evergreen in guatemala is probably not the best example of a very strategic season that people. If they did go back would be like. Oh this is so much this is so interesting to to watch the strategy plow. That's a very good point. It is not a season where there is really emerging game. Play where you point to any votes. Like even the season following in survivor panama people through one three and the stuff that she does in that season. Nobody ever points to a move in survivor. Guatemala where it seems like that. A lot of the votes were based more on like personal feelings and relationships. And that point. I think this is season of relationships. It's not a strategy. I would go so far as to say the votes had some strategy tinged to them but for the most part especially when it came to this. Big alliance led by rape stephanie catalyzing themselves. It was more so like how they were feeling towards their allies. More so than what's the best game. Move here yes. And i also think that part of the reason why the season is not remembered as fondly is that. I don't think that this is necessarily the story of how danny one. I think much like we talked about survivor. South pacific a couple of weeks ago that this is more the season of how stephanie loses and also i think how rafe loses. I think the two of them really conspire with each other to lose the game. And danny the you know through and she said on multiple occasions that okay. Well i don't really want to explain my strategy. So whatever is there. It's hard to tell her story. So we don't get so much of danny not to say that any take anything away from her win. It's just that we don't have that story to tell. Necessarily it's more about how these other players lose the game. And i think that that's not necessarily a story that we necessarily cling to. Yeah i mean look at the end. Game of the people involved in the endgame survivor. Guatemala and one thing i will say again. The contributes to the fun oddball. Nature of the season is the edit. The edit is just all over the place you have someone like jamie new in who. I am fascinated with a character perspective. Where one episode. He is a self aggrandizing jerk at in the next episode. He's giving up a well cooked meal so that other people can eat. But if you look at the end game they're like you said you have a winner. Who understandably i think refuses to vocalized game for fear that it's going to be fed to the returning players to keep them in the game. You have to people who are the strategic forces but are also coming across the biggest goats and could only go to the end with each other. You have lydia. And cindy who are socially awkward when it comes to the relationships on the island and so they're not exactly vocalizing the best strategy. And then you have judd. And i don't know if you're going to judge for anything resembling strategy. As much as i love judd. So when you ask yourself who is the narrator of this season. It's really tough to pinpoint especially in in that. Stretch and one of the things. I love about survivor. Guatemala's there are so many characters but those crooked characters don't necessarily fit into those typical narrator. Cpp game bought roles that maybe a modern survivor winner. Mike yeah. I think i think the danny also is probably one of the least prominent winners of the entire show to this point. I think like may maybe you'd save a sepe wasn't really given enough in her season and even chris In season not who has a similar arc but he is describing what he's doing as he's making his way through as an underdog and even he sort of has that as his arc whereas the best we get from danny is in the reunion when she says i was stealth bihar. Yeah the season is definitely an interesting one in that. It is a pagan but mike. It is sort of like a circuitous Pigging where it's sort of like okay. They take to from the other side but they go back and take one of their own and they go back and forth so it's not just like a straight shot like some of these other seasons that we've watched like south pacific in redemption island. Yeah i mean there's a little bit of polling right where you get the brand in bobby john one right after the other but i think it's almost a little like kaga on ask in a way where you have these two people on top in the case of kogyo and it was tony with by his side but here it seems to be stephan and rape. Even though i actually think in re watching this season a lot of the decisions that get rid of people like jamie judd. And cindy are more so rafe that they are stem. Knee and unfortunate irony. Data essentially rafe makes the decisions. That screw stephanie. Over in the end that now jamie engines instead they are saying. Thanks for voting. The off step frame wanted to do that down. But i think that it really was the two of them making those decisions on the whim to say arrived. Bobby john now. Let's let's take off jamie okay. We need to get rid of dairy. Now he's sticking out too much. All man denning just one immunity and judd is really getting on our nerves. Really making me paranoid. Let's get rid of him. Sydney did what what the car. Let's get rid of her lydia's to likeable and then they find themselves get broken up at the top three so the post merge really is a story of these two at the top of the pyramid essentially figuring out their sacrifices. It just depends from which tribe this stephanie of it all is really interesting because that going back and watching this taryn that i was really surprised. How many times. She deferred to rafe on these decisions in the post merge game and in watching boston rob redemption island season recently and to a lesser degree coach in south pacific. I thought that this was like a really good illustration of what not to do as the returning players like. She's the one with all this experience and i think in all these instances she kept deferring the decision and ended up coming back to bite her in the end. Yeah and i think it's really interesting. Because we'll even from gary at the end saying that he felt like people very star struck by staff. It's the first time we're getting returning players in with new players and it's the first time of many many many where one of them will make it to the final two Whether or not they win the jury voted. Point is down to how they treated other people along the way and so it really did feel like raith kind of attached himself to stephanie's star power and used her social influence to the sort of the game to what he thought was best for him in his own vision. Which was this kind of like. It's me steph. To the end and all the people who i don't think are are acting according to the correct moral compass and And it definitely it. Definitely screws stephanie. And if she had just played the typical returning player game. I think just kind of been like these are. My friends is the people i'm going to the end and then i'll cut them. I think she has a much better shot for sure. Well that being said though. I think it's really. I'm really glad that we have you particularly on for this panel. Taryn because i know big brother have has obviously diptheria these toes in these crocodile late in waters of bringing back returning players alongside new players. I know certainly. In big brother fourteen there was the motto of okay. We're not letting coach win here. Like no matter what that was with three of survivor. My but that was the final travel council but they had this attitude right up like they've already gotten their shots and doing the season with the survivor. Historians i know mario lanza got a lot of insight from rafe along the way and apparently that attitude was prevailing here as well instead also kind of vocalized it in the reunion of where he's like. I was a goat. I don't understand why people didn't want to take me to the end. And i really do wonder how much of that big brother fourteen nests existed in the season. Where as soon as stephanie and bobbi john stepped onto those mats they say great. It's fun to have you but no way no matter what you do in my letting you win a million dollars. It's definitely possible right And i think that's why rave wanted steph in the end with him so much like for as much as you know he he might talk about whatever like jamie did. This did that I think that he he felt like using steph starpower. And the fact that he knew he could beat her in the end Was a great play and it was a great play. And i and i think that is sort of how he describes the strategy as that. He was trying to make sure that he was her only option to take to the end so that he could beat her And so it is. It's very interesting. And i and i think it wouldn't surprise me as the first season with returning players mixed with new players that that they would feel that way that they would feel cheated of like. Hey this is. I mean we love you and we will be star struck by you. This is our thing and and i. It makes me wonder how much the end result of the season. Where i think that like you know like who who is danny. Why did she swin may help. Contribute toward the lack of this Incoming seasons where there are a little more used to the idea of returning players being added in and the idea that yeah. Yeah they can win. That's rob i. I do think from an effort perspective like you said they really leaning on. Why stephanie lost and like we said their hands might have been tied but one of the things that obsesses me with this guatemala at it. Is that it really. Just show from an editing perspective. Like how much a tone can change. Probably like an exact line of dialogue. There's a couple of lines in the pre merge. Were stephanie is. I can't believe i'm on a try that keeps losing if you play that in survivor palau. People say oh. My god poor stephanie. Like oh we re route for you in must be so tough walked into a corner in guatemala. You're like what is stephanie bitching about like. Stay stop it. Why such a villain right now and it really is incredibly staggering. We talked about how uber popular. Stephanie was in palau. It came crashing down being understatement. From from stephanie. Into stephanie mills as the internet name her during that season i mean stephanie is here with all of her flaws on. Full display She has many regrettable a lot lines of dialogue over the course of the season A lot of them. About bobby john Talking about how you describe him we see her. Certainly she does not like it if she does not get to eat. Or if you accuse of her of eating more than the other people. But when i thought that was really interesting in regards to steph a me was that in my mind that i had misremembered everything with the car with cindy cindy of course is going to have. This is the second and we're talking about the car curse where cindy ends up. Having the chance to. She has a car. A pontiac torrent two thousand six. She can keep it or she'd give everybody the pontiac torrent. She says you know what i'm gonna keep it. She takes stephanie on the reward. What i did not remember in my mind. I'm like oh yes stephanie. Stephanie is the most understanding about this entire. I think that this is something that you talk about with. The live feeds that stephanie. Like she's a self interested person right. She's like oh yeah. Why would anybody give a car away. That's how that totally makes sense like nobody would do that. That's crazy where rafe. And danny might have been gassing him up about this no pun intended but rape is one. How could she not give us all. She had the opportunity to give four people a truck and she didn't do that. How could how could she do that. And stephanie and raves. Talk about it. I just think that from like understanding those two characters and how they think and how they look at the team versus being self interested. I just thought that was one of the most interesting things about the season. Absolutely i will say the rob you got. You got it wrong. It's the survivor curse of the car. Curse tar yeah i. That's the theme for season. Forty-one the survivor cursive. The car. is the reason why they offered her the ability to give a four cars. But but yeah and it's it's of it's two sides of the same coin. Is that like stephanie. Is this very as you said. Self interested player. She makes the selfish decisions in. That's her perception. That's what people give what she gives off to other people. It's why they're so mad at her and not as mad at race in the end and rafe is the other side of that where the perception he gives off is like. Hey i'm a equitable. i'm gonna give you. I'm going to be fair. The reason the reason betraying you is because you've done this. This and this reason judd is leaving is because of this reason cindy is leaving is because of this whole car thing i mean really. She really should have done the right thing. And given the cars away that is ultimately his demise as well as he is to equitable and gives away the promise that he had from danny and so they both ended up losing from these two different perspectives and they were clashing perspectives. I think throughout the game and probably one of the reasons why they were kind of dysfunctional. As i do. And what i love about rafe. As well is that i think he was the most strategic person on the season but he was incredibly emotionally driven. This is not a look at the numbers. I make a decision he says. I'm getting annoyed with jamie ball playing munkala so i'm getting rid of him. I'm starting to get paranoid. That judd is turning on me. So i get rid of him. I'm angry that cindy didn't give me a car. So i'm getting rid of her. It's so intriguing to me. That oftentimes on survivor. The people that are making these decisions are not the ones that are thinking entirely of the game you cannot. This is an emotional game. There are flesh and blood players involved and so the people that are making those decisions are not going to be the bright high dick and say this is just a business trip even has a moment the merge right him he's like am i part of the axis of evil. You have to wonder if his thoughts about like. Oh my god one. Am i doing here. But morality on my sort of instilling on this game certainly plays into that he makes unfortunately to his detriment where he makes objectively bad decisions in favor of sort of catering to his emotions and it's an accumulation of power. That really accelerates to right because in the first half of the game you get a little bit of this. But he's just kind of playing the game like everyone else it's not until he hits the merge and he has all this power that he starts to say okay. We'll now i'm going to enforce my will my vision on this game and instead of you know like making the necessarily the strategically correct decisions. All the time he is. He is so confident in his own power in the game because everything has been going right for him that he continues to get riskier and riskier with his his own vision until the very end when he takes step too far. Well so i think to that point it shows in survivor. I say this out of my but as you know we haven't actual survivor play on the panel but i do think objectively. It is harder to play ahead in survivor than playing from behind. We're playing behind just like all right. All i need to do is just get another three days to survive right thing playing from head. Your mind gets so filled with all of these. What possibilities and you're just anticipating an attack. That might never come. You can become your own. Greatest downfall danny. I think you've used. I think they're very comparable in terms of they're both at incredibly well equipped defensive players in survivor. They were both in situations where they're on the bottom and just say all right. I just find my way into with one or two people and claw my way from round to round. It's a lot easier to do that. Especially nowadays when you have challenges and idols and advantages and if you are on top and you are you know up at night every minute thinking about. Who's going to screw me next. Who do i have to look out. Or i need to make sure i'm not comfortable right now. Yeah that's very interesting. I had not thought about that too much in context of survivor recently. that it's fitting the gary hogan boom here because i was actually listening to a podcast where they were talking about The now former quarterback of the jets. Sam darnold in terms of That we've only seen him playing from behind which happens to not be good at. But what if he was ever playing with the lead actually might be okay. I think that for my own personal style of gameplay. I think that playing from a head i have found that i i have a little more success in in that area where i feel like that's more about sort of just like maintaining relationships more so than playing from the bottom which i do not think is something that i found to be an easy thing to come back from but it is interesting to think about these players from when they're in positive situations versus negative situations. Yeah i think it's i think it's a at the very least in terms of like how clear your decisions are right like when you're playing from the bottom you have one clear path in front of you when you're playing them from the front. I do think it's easier to play from a head in in survivor and big brother. But it's harder to make decisions. It's harder to make sure that you're doing the right thing and you're going to be sort of struck by decision paralysis. If you're not good at making decisive choices. And i think probably the worst place to be is if you are playing from behind. Think you're ahead and you're indecisive that's what we're seeing in big brother right now So that scenario to go to use an example from survivor guatemala. It's better sometimes to be someone who's like stuck with the baked potato or the fish because then at least you're making fewer enemies and you know Raking her mind through fewer scenarios. And if you're judd being like okay. I have to make decisions for this person. This person this person. I think it makes the decision matrix a bit easier but we even see that. Going back to stephanie. You know it also shows. I think from an editorial perspective and this is a huge thing that we see in big brother from a popularity perspective you can be incredibly popular as the underdog but when you become the 'overdogs you can become the biggest villain. Mike it really can be seen. You see it again in big brother went pop power constantly shifts. How much you love somebody. When they're a complete underdog and then they come into power and we hate that or vice versa. Right we're like someone starts off when a huge position of authority and then they get humbled and it's like oh no king queen worked her way back. We love you so much. It shows that possession can really really just feed into the idea popularity. So that's really understand relations and i also think that you know. Stephanie is probably great example. That i think there's probably some sort of a gender bias also in there where i feel like that you know a boston rob can play from the front and then ultimately not be seen as like sure there are people that are going to be sick of him running the show but is going to be seen as almost like stephanie. Like what a two thousand five to go from america's sweetheart to by the end of the year almost like a universally. I don't care for her so much. Like i'm glad i'm glad she didn't win. In the course of twelve months it like you said they aired back to back and they've known back-back as well so this is luckily not like russell hands rupert situation where they're filming seasons back to back but still wild three hundred sixty five days for stephania gross absolutely her survivor epoch right. She does return for a brief stint in survivor. Twenty where ironically. Enough they sort of out for the reason that jeff probst implies all the way back in guatemala right. Isn't there a tribal council. Where he's like stephanie. Here's your challenge record. I'm going to ask you. Are you cursed nick. Young james clementi at home. Yes as all right years from now. I'm going to vote for that. Same reason i remember. I remember a big narrative at the time being that like like it got it. Got to her head like She was popular on her first season. Now now she's full of herself now she now. She thinks she's god's survivor. You know i'd like to just go back to rafe and just touch on raves. Moral compass which is talked about over the course of the season not the compass. That brooke knows how to use. Jim also knows how to use Mike that you've been playing some dungeons and dragons lately. would you say that. is lawful. Good character i would. I would say chaotic good. Like i think he's not afraid to cutthroats but he still has purpose. Pundit i do think lawful good. We'd be more so like. Let's stay nicole strong. Let's pick things off from a very rule binding perspective but rafe was sort of writing the rules as he rent to say okay. I'm doing what feels good to me of what might be good to me is not necessarily good for other people Tara i think that a really interesting thing about the season that i also forgotten about that climactic final three immunity challenge so it comes down to danny versus stephanie. And it's like nothing for danny. Stephanie is like fighting with every ounce of her being to stay in the challenge ultimately she loses rafe immediately runs over and tells. Danny i release you from your promise you don't have to. You don't have to take me. You do it if you want to. But not because of the promise and that to me. I thought just was so interesting in that race. Still wanted to go to the final two but after watching seventy i felt like that he also wanted to be free of the guilt that he was knocking stephanie. Out of the game like he wanted to have his cake eat it too and it's such a fitting thing for that to be. What gets theoretically stephanie into the final. Two because it's the same thing that made her so popular in the first place trying so hard and failing that's what that's why people loved her in palau because she just tried so hard and it didn't go anywhere she couldn't in the end it didn't even matter and And she she couldn't she couldn't make it work and it's the same exact thing in the final three immunity. You see her struggling on that poll. And she is just like with every ounce of her being. You can't help but feel an admiration and the hope she can somehow make it through but but she can't and she falls and she's devastated and that's why she was so popular to begin with. That's why she was brought back in the first place and that's what's going to get raped to go. You know what i i can't i can't get in the way of this. I can't in a shady way getting. I need danny to make this decision knowing that. She's gonna choose me but at least it won't be me that's blocking this because it's so compelling see that's interesting because again this is for moraif so this is all hearsay according to raith. He said that he knew he was voted out in third place. He knew that no matter. What that danny was going to take stephanie. This absolving of sins almost was a way for him to redeem danny's image not stephanie's. He said that because they made that promise. He didn't want her to come across like she was breaking their word right because they made him. She made that promise in a couple of episodes ago of i'm going to take you to the final two and so he felt okay. I don't want her to come across a backstabber. Because danny sort of really pray this way of being honest and loyal which another advantage of playing from the bottom. Sometimes it's like if you say you have to lie then you do because you're from the bottom again. Everyone's the hero of their own narratives quotes even fish and it's it's a little weird jutting up to him in the in the episode being like wow i thought that danny would make decision but according to rave after the fact apparently he did this because he knew i just got senator nino d- i'm in third place of most. She's taking stephanie. Stephanie is the biggest goat here. But you know what. I don't wanna be a bad person and make her feel like danny looked like she's cutting wrote in the process interesting. Well this is a great. Buy that rob tease for talking with t-bird we'll ask danny. Yeah i dunno. Based on based on what i saw on the episodes that doesn't strictly mesh with not only what he said but his actions in terms of like well. I mean i'm definitely voting stephanie. Now how much does jury question especially. Yeah yeah how much do you think. The specter of ian rosenberger was over this final three as well. Because let's remember in makes it incredibly dramatic decision at the final three of palau. I guess he does. A rape does half rosenberger. he likes. Says you don't need to take me to the final two but he doesn't actually go through and quit. The game like ian does. But i can imagine like he saw. Maybe that type of thing happened realized. The moral quandary that that ian went through impossibly sympathize with that perspective as well. Yeah interesting so we'll find out some answers. Hopefully this week about this and of course you know everybody is always going to come across better in their version of the story. But you should hear with. Lydia had to say about this all that she had the game right there. Well let's talk about that because that might be more true than people think. Yes so yeah so. Obviously we're working backwards through like that. Stephan rafe make like. That's sort of this portion of the podcast. I think one of the most talked about decisions happens at the final four. When it's rafe. And stephanie mickey decision between lydia and danny and on paper you would say like can't rid of danny lydia could never wanna challenge. One of you is gonna win. You take each other. And that's that and so again. This is from rafe. So take it with a grain of corn if you will a kernel of corn basically the two things in play one was that danny was like elizabeth for ski level of malnourished by the by the end of the game and survivor guatemala. You can ask her about this. She was nearly medevac. We're talking like near erik reichenbach and caramel and levels. And so if you balance if you actually put the to up against each other a normal lydia is actually about this on the same level as a weakened danny they did not expect that the final three immunity challenge was going to be broken in that. It's essentially going to become a poll leaning contest known easily win and so you and you also might think like okay from an immunity challenge perspective women who are lower to the ground with a low center of gravity. Do a better job balancing right. We saw that with kim johnson and we saw that with lil call. What's so lydia might be a bigger challenge threat than when it comes to find all three the other element in an challenge. Though they don't know that i shall. I guess leo. I don't even think that she could reach the rope and the platform at the same time. No she needed an apple box or that the longer ropes. The other element that wasn't really reflected in the was that apparently lydia was like a huge social threat in this game like she had the story where she was an impoverished if she makes the end and obviously not all votes come down to. Do you deserve the money you talked about this last week. Rob and survivor fiji. But lydia sort of has a story to help bolster that any sort of Perogative people might have plus the fact that unlike stephan rape she has not really hurt anyone with the exception of maybe jamie as much as they had so i do think that they were balancing. Who was more threatening. But unfortunately from a storytelling perspective. It seems like lydia's threat was mitigated. When in the moment. I think it was more top of mind for these two. I mean the thing is whether lydia can beat raith in the end or not. Doesn't matter if he if he's sure that danny isn't taking him right so it just should come down to challenge performance at that point if he doesn't think that danny will take and that's another reason why as well that rave you know makes that deal with danny to it should be noted that despite how in twin pats rape and stephanie. That rafe does things. That are outside of stephanie's orbit namely making this really close bomb that honestly is danny's most important relationship any tire day tonight. Another question why does vote out cindy at the final five if he knows that danny isn't going to take him to the final three because that's because of the you just you didn't give him a car that was why at that point danny is gonna take into the him sims danny and steph final three okay so the final the final three. But there's not going to the final right at at that point. Essentially rafe made two separate final two deals. With danny and steph rain. He basically so that way he feels like he is the most well insulated that no matter who wins the challenge. They can take him. But i don't think he necessarily counted on the final immunity challenge being the way that he was. I think he'll go to the end. With danny and steph. Danny's knocking on death's door right now. So unless the challenge depends on how tall you are walking today. Thirty eight challenges. How tall you are essentially and realized that he's truly script right and also this in hindsight rafe doing fantastic. We're what's what's up to these days. Rafe is the show runner or the wheel of time series on amazon. He is a huge wheel of time. Fan as am. I and look. I'm either going to love rafe. Or or hate him depending on the quality of this show so hopefully hopefully turns out well. I'm very excited about it. He's very excited about. It might turn on him after. I hope he releases me from my promised to support him in this endeavor if it turns out to not be great but But he's been doing. He's he's worked on other shows as well but this is like. I think like the biggest thing is worked on and he's been doing so well to like sharing the sharing information on social media about it and getting hyped up about it And he's he's he's been on the top of my list of like people. I'd love to to interview just abon wheel time more so than guatemala fan. Yeah he's been writing in hollywood for quite quite some time. I talked to him at the ten year anniversary. He's working on chuck he's been. He's been a busy guy. I don't think you necessarily is like not eating because of some bad decisions and survivor guatemala unless guatemala tell stephanie was working on like agents of shield at some point rafe really was the proto. Cochran superfan came in. I think he was like a wilderness guide. He came into survivor. Guatemala and then said i wanna be a screenwriter ends up moving to hollywood and the rest is history both won four individual challenges. The as well. I really do love that. Rafe is sort of the unintentional challenge. Beast here because i do feel like especially the people that go into this middle portion of the game. There is a certain bro contingency of survivor. Guatemala right these like at the lettuce males and i feel like killer abuse the fun part of the game is that ends up. Like judd. Rafe and four women in the end and rafe ends up becoming the challenge of the season as he says himself. I don't think anyone expected that going into the season especially given how much judd really wants to be big man on campus. Like all right. We have a lot more to talk about here in our discussion of survivor. Guatemala with taryn in my bloom. But i wanna take a moment to thank our sponsor for this of podcasts. Those are our friends over at the thera gun. Try the thera- gun for thirty days. Starting at only a one hundred ninety nine dollars. Don't let the stress of daily life way on your body with your an elite athlete. Or someone like me just trying to make it through the day tension free thera- gun can help boy. They could've used the thera- gun gen four after that. Eleven mile hike to kick off survivor guatemala. Third gun the handheld percussive therapy device that releases your deepest muscle tension using a scientifically calibrated combo of depth speed and power. 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Let's talk about some of the interesting things from the first half of the game. We spent a lot of time talking about everything. That's going on towards the end game but i think that it's an interesting pre merge that really sets up a lot of the things that happened and in my rewatch that i did in the evolution of strategy. I believe survivor. Guatemala is free if people wanted to ever check out chapter eleven of survivor. Guan if if you do need a code. Ask me on twitter. I'll look it up after the show so for survivor. Guatemala that mike one things. That was very interesting was i felt. They do not spend a lot of time on the free versions of the tribes. That i wrote my notes that this season is like oops all challenges of basically the whole first episode is a challenge. We get done with that. We're off to the immunity challenge and then tribal and then episodes to win three also a reward challenge and an immunity challenge in both of those episodes. I feel like we spend very little time. Getting to learn the dynamics of pre swap yasha mccomb and then all of a sudden episode four kicks off. And we're out of swap. So i would say that one of the really interesting things about the cast of survivor. Guatemala is i think you could take or leave the first four boots but from episode five on every single cast member. I think brings it from from some sort of perspective which you cannot say for a lot of other cats but it comes at the expense of like you said from editing perspective. We sorta yada yada through these people. And i think the matter is. The editing focuses much less on the dynamics of the group and more so on how fricken tough it is to be in survivor. Guatemala i mean can. We talk about that hike for the second survivor season by doing half a marathon. A twenty four hour hike through the jungle to start. The game of survivor is still in my opinion. The most ridiculous thing i've ever done in the history of survivor started. Okay now just because they could start assasin with that taryn. Should they start a season with an eleven mile hike. Yes okay you like. I loved it. I love this. This is my. This is my favorite thing. When i watched this i was like whoa like. They're really putting them through it here and at the time. I had much less like this. The idea of people suffering in the wilderness was like these people are still tv characters to me. I didn't they weren't they weren't human beings and so it was really intense And judd is trump and through the woods frigging doorman from new york man. And he's chopping through the woods and there's a predator monkey and yeah and blake kids by have to sleep there overnight. They're doing this hike in bobby. John goes down. It's like what he's like the toughest survivor ever was happening. And it was such an intense way to start the season. I loved it yeah. It's it's epic. I think is the best way to describe it certainly. It is truly epic. I cannot believe that like they typically start survivor on day two. It's almost like they have a blood versus water days zero where it's just them walking through the woods but what i love about it and i really. I feel like survival. Seen sometimes get understated especially modern survivor. Camp scenes you can still a lot about character based on what people do in these wilderness scenarios like we see it here for example where gary is going to take charge of. Yes shah despite the fact that he's really trying to obscure his identity on we the the the runner of like these glass cannon men these big strong young guys especially all end up flat on their back and how margaret become essentially like the hero of guatemala in this pre swamp phase concern that. She's not even playing survivor. I fall days. She's just trying to help these guys from dying out there in the middle of guatemala. Yeah my complaint here. Is that if you're gonna do this. It should be a ninety minute episode. At least because i feel like that we only had the hike and then we get to nicole. I just like all right. Good job mccomb. And then he so rude to yasha like only a couple of minutes and he's like i get out of here like you go to go to the other camp not even like good job. Glad you see all made. It is very hard on them and failed man. Yeah you failed me. And then everybody's like still dead from the first challenge and it's like yeah. How are we going to have an immunity challenge not to mention the oppressive heat which is like a one hundred fifteen degrees for these players. And now we're going to run this very physical immunity challenge. You know. it's a miracle. We only lost jim in the first challenge then surprised like bobby johns arms. Don't fall off like that. One phil hartmann from snl. The bodybuilder steroid olympics watching bobby. John have his eyes roll back in his head. I mean it. Really predates russell's swan in terms like one of the things seen on survivor where he loses consciousness like we see his soul drift out of that sweet alabama boy body for a half second before gets sucked them in those beautiful lips. No like wild. An electoral said like this was one of the toughest guy as jeff says like the camp guy to have around for the first ten seasons and he nearly expired. What does that say about the rest of you. Yeah i loved. Judd's premature evacuation from the yet to give credit to brandon. Who i think is very underrated character. Who had to lie and the great delivery of that. He's i guess you can call it. A judge had a premature evacuation quicksand the mud. Dan ludd man. He tries to stephanie from palau. Right to jump out of the first being go right. i'm gonna make to the show. And he's just like decree nearly chapman for his try because the tribes like right there. And he's like damian. Kick it through the mud. It's like kennedy in the molasses. No exactly. you're be adhered to the turf by the end of it. But what i love about it is despite like judd is one of the guys to get his bounceback and he does so just in time to get to this. I travel council where everything you need to know about judge. Sergeant happens here. We're jeff like ask a question of how you guys doing jut turns this into like a thirty second chautauqua m ball and driving down the field member getting about ten percent manual. Think we gotta get bring out the gate every man. We're gonna do it every time man. And jeff just looks at him. Awestruck that jug essentially took a chrome and made an entire meal out of. I puked got up. I what i do. I'm ready to do a backflip. Jeff yeah of shoes judd here for a minute because that judd is just brings so much my key really does and he was definitely. He's definitely one of the more. Boorish cast members that is i would not say he's like problematically belligerent. But i think that like he's he's a very fun ville. Yeah he'll-he'll helps us. I'm brutally honest less margaret or not. I guess through. But i mean judd is just like forget off the handle. There's no handle it's handled. Let's who never seen a handle in his damn life man. He's opening the doors. He'd just he's absolutely off the reservation with everything but the great thing about him in a lot of these people season is that these do seem like normal people who just are like a little have a little dial turned in a different direction than maybe the person that you would find off the street. And that's what happens with judd that like. He's fine most of the time but then like get a beer and him or claim that he has. Add and he just spirals in a completely different of thing to say about a guy man was he's got no handle man like why would you say you go to somebody say oh you never handle man like what. What the hell man. What's up with that man. And so the judd. The specifically the episode six traveled county s. Dad versus margaret is still one of my favorite tribal councils. It's incredible where essentially judge trying to prove that he is like not to do by acting kuku by being like a interrupt. People cindy do i know people. And then he interrupts our brave people then. Of course the infamous margaret came up to me on day one and she said you have. Add and he starts pointing off and standing up as if is lecturing to a crowd that doesn't exist. It's incredible you know the thing that i sort of took away from that on my rewatch here. Is they win the reward right before that where there are some beers consumed and also i think that Judd trades a beer for like trades. One of his hot dogs to stephanie. For a beer. I'm wondering on a third. Viewing is judd. Half in the bag for this tropical council is this also. isn't this also the This is when he goes off about who took the extra beer. it was him and he's like god. Whoever did that man. We're going to vote you out man. That's it man. yeah. I took the extra barely. Yeah i deserve without me man. It's fine if i do it but anybody else. I mean this is just fantastic. I mean margaret puts it so well. Judd has a problem with recall and that shows profusely throughout this episode. Weren't even when it comes to the beer's going to forget that he himself took a bear. But to your point. Rob i could very easily say that judd becomes even more belligerent. Way he decides to to you know imbibe in sub he definitely is in the don mahan camp right of like definitely imbibed before going to that So excited by dawn. Me not necessarily liked on me have yeah but then of course. There's i mean. There's there's judge stuff throughout tim calling himself king kong. There's the fact that you know. He's an instrumental player in the swamp phase. Where it's a four four division and he flipped. Yes completely betrays his try. Well that's a great way to go back to where we started with talking about the pre swab version of the tribes. And somebody. I wanted to ask your opinion of g. You think that maybe they don't give us a lot pre swap. Because ultimately the free swapped tribes are not going to matter. It's a great point because it really does come. Come down to new nicole versus new yishai. They do end up spending more rounds on the second round trip and they do first round. I mean they're certainly stuff to glean right especially from the shop perspective. We get a bit of a story with like we get to see. Brian be a bit of a power player. Where apparently he's the one to really help. Keep lydia in the game that shadows his character a bit. But i feel like the narrative that's been told to us but just like yeah. Let's get rid of these three week people and then let's make room for what is far and away the oddest way to ever swap. Try that. I have ever seen in the history of survivor and then from then on out is much more clean cut and much more important than the narrative. Maybe to your point they said. Let's emphasize the first three episodes on how tough things are. And some of our more highlighted characters rather than necessarily wide briana went home. But turn that. I think that one of the things that is a detriment to like not giving us a lot in the pre swap version of game. I do think that that helps. Prevent the pa- gong for instance when gary and danny go on the reward with stephanie and judd later on in the game and then ultimately gary doesn't go home that night. You know it's sort of like glossed over that stephanie. And gary had a bond from the pre-match Or from the from the pre swap version of utah and that we sort of forgot about that because basically like the new year shah four. That come over are so like down out that feels like a beginning but these characters have relationships from the first the nine days of the game. Yeah yeah and i. I completely agree and i think it definitely helps the season overall. I'll although i do. Think those i i love. The first episode loved the hike until the swap even on the rewatch. Because when i when. I whenever i thought about water malla i would think about judd and stephanie in the post merge and in the brian golden boy and hike and the crocodiles couldn't couldn't tell you who the first four or five people eliminated. Were or what happened in those tribal councils on the rewatch i also was like all right so they did the rewards like my notes like we did reward. Judd has a few quotes. We did immunity. This person's voted out until this happens. The show really doesn't turn on. This is my third time watching. So while i think i can finally tell you who was on original nukem original you shah. Yeah but do you remember their names yours yes. I wouldn't just describe them. I don't know. I feel like you could certainly do that. With the first four boots of this rain when it's like younger woman number one younger woman number two and number women number three with the law degree. Who got slop screwed that. Unfortunately they sort of get lumped together in the course of of episodes to two four and we find that behind the scenes that are much more important things as to why they get booted. But i think unfortunately to pump up some of their more important larger characters later on they sort of Give the scraps or not invincible. Some of these important reason. Why one of these early characters got voted out. I think rape said something in his quarantine questionnaire about i guess. Morgan had sort of alluded to rafe. That she wants to get rid of a number from his side and so like he did this whole hurry up thing right before tribal council where he approached gary brian etc. Getting rid of morgan. Instead of lydia so it wasn't necessarily a thing of like oh. He has weekend challenges. But morgan is week at cam but we know they have to simplify the narratives. But i do think that the weakest part of the season is probably its first few episodes sands that eleven mile and was it a poor brianna. That jamie had to come out and say like hey. I like girls who are crazy in pretty. And she's not either the backhanded compliment. She doesn't even know what pick is trip. Three strikes and you're out jamie also. The person who talks about early on how diverse there says it and it comes up multiple times as they. Please stop saying how diverse the drive is. Yeah they've jamie is definitely that guy being like. No you see how diverse our workplaces like. She's a single mom karaoke. like he's a former. We've got an additions. Assistant of munger. A landscaper homeboy. So we also learned a lot about court ball this season turn yes very very very fascinating very fascinating game of a court ball where apparently it's a game where that the losing team would be killed. And then mike sometimes their head with get used for the ball. In the next game. I can imagine from like a purely topographical perspective. Heads are not the best for balls they're certain features that stick out unless you like the character of the game. I think it's like using a football as a basketball right. Like it's gonna bounce a little bit wonky and i guess mean you're playing on nets if you're doing it like the maya jeff probst would say Yeah very physical. Game a court ball. And that's think we're amy ends up suffering this injury tara. They couldn't put poor. Amy out of her misery here in this season. How many times did she have to compete in challenges on this bad ankle. Yeah and And she talks to about like like. I'm not limping. I'm walking normal so that they don't know how bad this is and in later when she gets rolls it again or gets rolled on She's like jeff. Are you good to go in again. And she's like no. But i will and he's like good. Yeah i mean this. Is bruce preece. Mergen brawl like on workplace injuries. Be like all right. I'm going to wrap it up and then get back in because there's a lot of gender and matchups right and so there really wasn't a lot of room for me to sit out and so like her ankle could have snapped off in her foot lying on the court and she's like alright. I guess i'll below the ball now while we're on the subject of like dangerous challenges also we saw the giant boulder challenge a taryn. How gross was that afterwards Is it a brandon about well. I have some open festering wounds there. You're you're using their shoulder. The yeah i mean and it's you know it's rolling in the dirt and john cert- get stuck to his wound. Yeah he had used with the skin of his festering open sore And again this was just when i was watching it as a kid. Lenk cool then. There's there's that one point where like bobby. John becomes aquaman where he's sitting in the crocodile pool and the fish are going. Yes and he's trying to catch the fish with his mouth as they do it and prove that fishing skills like who needs the hawaiian sling. When you've got your body wound. Mouth is lydia's fish. Monger job was talked about a lot but they often talked about her. We're like with disdain of like yeah. We got a fish monger around here. Sh monitor shakespeare rob. I do believe fishmonger was used. Insult to polonius back in hamlet so clearly well read jamie new in new his way around a shakespearean insult to or. Let's talk about this swap because it is certainly an interesting one tarrant. Is this a fair swamp. I mean i think it's as fair as any random swap right lane. It's it's kind of random it's supposed to be it's supposed to keep things relatively even but the tribes were not even time. So that's kind of the biggest miss i would say but but i honestly i kind of liked how brutal and surprising it was. Would you think this is absolutely bananas. Because ridiculous that we're applying yearbook superlatives that segues into a swamp. It's one of the biggest rug. Polls i had seen on survivor in quite some time. But i love it. I really like watching back survivor. Seasons when tribe swaps are not just a random. Like everybody dropped your boss. 'cause we've seen that so many times like in nicaragua when the apprentice style thing of like pick three people from the other tribe that you want on your mind like here how they do this whole questionnaire right and you serve like an auction. Where oh danny and brian get an apple and these people get a picnic and then all over sudden turns into okay. Well now it's a swap. The whole irony that you know someone like brian and i think it was brooke. Actually are the to cindy ryan the most try pride and brian in particular get screwed over by having them try pride because he gets swapped to an automatic minority Yeah 'cause he loves you shot the most. It was also interesting that the people on the picnic then had their own little summit taryn and then they end up coming back to home. It's like oh wait. Who were you. Yeah and i feel like. I kind of missed opportunity. If you like. In a modern season they would've You know use this a little more but it was such a non like wait. Why are you guys here. This is the new tribe. Oh okay that's weird. That should have been a big moment. Right we really wasn't Yeah yeah it's just. It's such an interesting smattering of people. Who ended up getting swapped over well again purely by circumstance margaret essentially also ends up signing her own death warrant by going on that picnic. Ironically enough alongside judd but it turns out that like the entire young male contingency of nicole. Ends up getting swamped over with danny which i think is also a very key relationship danny. I know certainly fashions herself like tomboy. Someone who grew up in a family with a lot of guys with a sports radio host and you can imagine why that group ends up becoming so tight. One of the many reasons is because. Brian is going to make this point right that like. There's a lot of very like minded people on new year shaw. That only ends up through just a matter of circumstances happening to fall in the right direction with one of the best things that ever happens to judd in the game. Is that next to jamie judd. Seems like a not so rough around the edges and this is literally. it's basically what he says. I don't mind this so up at all male pasta-roni thing going on their side. But now i'm king kong of. I'm the man of the hour here. He finally gets to be the hero that he wants to. He wants to be that he said he wanted to be Yeah but then on the other side then you get while jet comes back to that you get amy going like. I can't believe this decimated here. What's gone on the other side of things that we have this interesting dynamic that i would like to explore when we get through dr danny of in these first episodes danny is. She's able to spot. Okay that's gary hobo. That he played at what. What school is this central. Message central michigan and then I don't know as she brings it up a challenge and then bryan. Just like hey. Are you a quarterback. Did you go to central michigan. He's like no no it actually i. I did go there. that's weird. I went there but no yeah quarterback that you're thinking of. This is one of my favorite runners throughout survivor history. So frigging good because mean also another big thing that survivor brought in guatemala with like stunt casting at least larry hogan boom was i think the first pseudo celeb- to get caspian rob. I think you can speak to like weather. Gary hokum especially so many years retired was he is before my time that i think he was like a nfl player in the seventies there is anybody can tell us like a modern comp for gary hogan but i do think that he was the first person to have some notoriety to appear on the show as like a regular contestant. And this wasn't stunt casting right. He said he was a big fan of the show. But gary as the first celebrity contestant paves the way for people likely to welsh to lie about who you are incomes. Gary hawkins the landscaper. And it's just such a fantastic down. I'm going to google you. It's just. It's so good. Like the fact that gary keeps the same first name but changes his last name but keeps the same first initial of his last day. Yeah can i. Finish the quote. There for amy because i did not remember the end of this quote until i really watch this before quote is i will beat you down. Like a stepchild claim clayton. Slow wait a minute. i'm not okay. What is happening here. Not ideal. Ideal found him then. So but the danny. And gary hawkins hogan boom thing it. Mike she is she makes such a big deal about it and then she ends up on the tribe with him like this. He ever liked takers side. Like just just chill out with the hall. Gary neville thing because remember their allies they become like like the the tightest of of the only people left from this group later on the does he ever call off the dogs or does is danny Say like hey like all right. I won't bring this up anymore. I mean gary remember his final words. Like i'm especially proud of the fact that i never said who i was and nobody caught to me out after the fact that everyone caught onto him but gary is insisting that he kept the guys up to that point. I think it was a quarterback. Yeah it was like. The emperor has no clothes areas like oh. I'm definitely not a quarterback. He's like sure you're not wink wink so i think she knew the entire time but i do. It's a great point. Rob that these to end up being the final two from that new shot. Try and it's the person that she calls out in the second immunity challenge of the season She said in. A in a confessional. She's like well. I guess he doesn't want to admit who he really is. So i mean just leave it. Yeah that's what i also love to. I think he says in the beginning of the season of like well if they ask me what i did fifteen years ago. I won't say anything like i guess. Dairy is getting away with that. And that i think a topic of conversation with icebreakers in the first few days survivor like hey just wanna know. What were you doing. Fifteen years ago just curious. It's also ironic. Gary's the one to complain about the starstruck nature of stephanie. In the season when he could have maybe used a little bit of that himself right. Yeah maybe if there was any green bay packer fans that were out during that season. I don't know yeah. I don't think there was any major midwesterners. I think it was like a relatively like midwest south and east coast season Okay so over. The course of the swap judd flips instantly turned out to be a good move for judd. Taryn right You know it's probably. I don't think he had a lot of respect on the other side And he had at least a bit of a chance there on the new side Especially given i think his personality meshed a lot more with them anyway. He's he's in his not not a damn in the world for me. I'm one of the big guns now and and yeah he's This is this is a much better place or mike. We never really get to hear about margaret sort of like long-term plan but it does seem like it is possible that she had an idea about some version of nicole going far that was going to be with her and brooke. And cindy and maybe danny. Yeah i mean. I could imagine that again. While the guys were flat on their back i could imagine that like having to essentially serve by their their side to nurse them back to health probably brought these women together in a certain way not to mention that due to bobby john coming onto their tribe. They were initially outnumbered five to four. And so this could be a who nabu situation right. We're like gyms voted out another like okay. Now we can come together and take control of the tribe. But i totally agree with taryn. That again you know brandon blake. Bobby john the three bs They were they were all sort of of cut of the same cloth or at least you know talking. John deere prang before getting to their corn. That's not necessarily judd stephanie. New jersey girl walks into his life. He's like oh great. I found my people man. James john and blake of their first strategy conversation on the swapped. Try yes as. They are going to the bathroom together. There's no urinal etiquette they're like two feet away from each other. But i think it makes sense right because they're confirming that their each other's number one while doing number one i'm just like how did this shot happen right like the cameraman's shirley was not like let's follow you guys to the parents. Do this happens on big brother right that they don't turn the camera on in the bathroom until two people are talking strategy in there. You know the rules. I mean rob. Correct me from wrong if you go say like. Hey i'm gonna go you take an awkward dump the cameraman's not like oh let me follow you. I'm going to film you do with. Surely they had to be like. Hey we're going to go talk strategy while we do this. Come come film but if two people co awkward tom. I don't know what they do in that situation. I do think it's more of a thing where i feel like the The women survivor players might end up going off together. And i don't feel like that. The cameras ever followed them. But maybe i think there are a lot of the camera. People on survivor are typically men who are out there and that maybe they felt like okay. These two guys are going to talk strategy and are using the of bush urinal of all right. Let's roll on this this this this. This was premeditated by bobby. John and blake. They were like. Let's go take a piss. Talk some strategy. We want to make this happen. This is a prime opportunity for this to happen and it makes sense. When is a man of most vulnerable when he sat the urinal you are really. I think exposing person down to their parts when their parts are in use and i think at the moment. It's it's like okay you know. What big lakes not going to give me any sort of here right. We're just we're just two guys here. Being vulnerable from a certain perspective. I think we see a new side of each other now as we affirm our deal probably doesn't go back on. It'll it'll get broken later. The mafia boss or trading deal in the exactly go for a handshake right after also. It's not even talking and making a deal. It's there i mean. Look at the open festering. Wounds that you're worried about a little bit of peon your hands. Yeah yeah okay like what like. Oh god please no no no. Let's get back to our dirt pile in the corner of the middle of the jungle but play. This isn't even the worst bit of like gross hygiene because judd is going to throw up in the shelter later season. Yeah he wasn't him forgotten and they really didn't they really didn't have to show like the shot of that as well like we put together. We don't need the actual picture. Yeah okay so. I think that some of the more interesting posts swapped votes than come from on the New yasha side where they're going to go for a couple of tribal councils here. I a row where we talked about the one margaret one and the double episode when they have to go but that was pretty straightforward after brooke. So bape lake. Greatly set setup there by brian and mike insight into what really happened here was was blake successful. Why did nicole With the exception of brandon turn on blake at this point. I don't think bobby. John turns out to be a bobby. John does join apologizes to brandon after he does join them. I really think about the handshake. I don't think he wanted the hint. Problem well yeah. Mr blake cap on his head. Not know class knows. But i really do think that like it was a manner of i mean the i feel like the three former your has really endeared themselves to the nicole people and again. This is this season about relationships over strategy and i think that goes a long way that if they're starting to get tired of blake. Let's remember that this nicole tribe also didn't go to tribal council for a long time right guard. Jim pretty easily but in that time blake has recovered. He's become a bit more himself. Which apparently is like a braggadocios with gold in hair and his girlfriend. With the double ds. I mean you could hear jordan careless now like laughing back in new york over talking about this. Yeah i don't. I don't have too much behind the scenes infamous by wonder just came down to danny. Never really vibe with blake. Maybe that's another thing going back to. The women had a deal. That jenny just never really felt blake. Out and bobby. John just wanted to go where the votes were going. And he's played survivor before more. So than brandon is fine with betraying his work with turned in hindsight. I this is such a bad amy. At this point she already has the ankle injury they need the strength to beat a both tribes are going to go to tribal council in the next vote but ultimately at the vote. We're brian gets voted off. That potentially i think that's a close close A match there. I think that maybe there's a chance where they end up Potentially winning immunity i agree. Yeah and it definitely. It felt to me like this was a big error for for dante because it seemed like this was danny's call. It felt like it was pitched. Bobby john bobby. John wasn't into it. It was pitched to danny and danny was like oh. I find myself as the swing. Vote here and danny is likely the one that got bobby john on board and and that's of like how it happens right at least that's how it appears in the edit. The in maybe they're just trying to give her any credit for any move because she ends up winning. But i don't know if this is the move that i would want to give her credit for because it definitely doesn't seem like it's the right move given what we've seen and what happens with the tribe in the fact that they do end up going into the the merge with without the numbers which under most circumstances means the they've lost in survivor history. Yeah i mean can we talk about. The challenges in this episode is well because they are both of them are pretty incredible. I is the infamous challenge that you know. John cure hopper was like throwing his hat down in rage. Cut the rope and then shot through the log and then bring up the mind card but one tribe doesn't get to do all that because jamie can't cut the rope and it creates like the biggest blowout vibe or history were one tribe goes through the complete challenge before someone even finishes a stage of it. But this really begins again. Another one of my favorite storylines survivor. The bobby john jamie rivalry with who smelly now. John going in response. What do they say after the challenge. That like boy Bobby john is really losing it out there. Yeah but when you know. Bobby john that's who he is. The challenge bell rings. He's going to throw his legs into the air. He's gonna scream. And you find out a little bit more. About how jamie. And bobby john guest. There's an alabama georgia rivalry that predates and they're like the hatfields and mccoys of survivor guatemala. But this is the beginning of these two guys in particular just hating each other's guts for the duration of the game culminates in them. I don't even know what they were doing. After the reward challenge But they just start. Like i called. Quacking was very strange like Was team worldstar. Like the people that didn't have other world star hip up. Yeah yeah exactly. I mean it's odd the closest we've ever come to like somebody knocking someone out in a survivor. Where their push it. Is that the ball pushing. Challenge right where amy's ankle goes flying off into another country and like jamie wins and starts hollering. And then bobby. John starts chest bumping with him. Like it's willie hance and chef. Joe bobby johnson going like. That's what i like. That's what i like. I think he's supposed to be sarcastic. But it's you can't really be sarcastic when you're like exonerating. All that male tossed around his job but say around. Yeah yeah a jamie and bobby. John robbery is a good one jamie when he loses these challenges in a blowout hair and what he wants to continue. No other survivors ever wanted to know finishing. I mean it's Look he's just trying to have a surreal moment before the surreal moment ever happened right but he just he just happened with the row. Braves like chopping and shopping is no. I'm gonna do you want me to give up. You wanna give up. Is that what you always agree. Loss dune then and then he finishes and it goes like all right guys. We're going to keep going with this. No they're like on the way to the pool right now jamie we. It happens on the post merger right when they're like oh be loss and sydney's way laos jake me just stop it and jamie's make no i can't give up. I gotta keep going again jamie. What a weird water ski instructor that man is. He says he's a southern people crazy. Like no it ain't pretty Brandon ends up just smoking him in that challenge to the point where when they do fallen comrades at the end of the season. That danny says brand. Wow he could really cut a road moment on the show about it. He i mean he demolished that rope like it was liquorice. Brian brandon really underrated character. I also love going back to the bay. Blake stuff where blake's like a. Yeah me and bobby john or as kind of guys like what are you telling the double d stories. Like what do you think brandon and brennan's like do i think about novelty sized boobs I don't i. Don't i don't know i'm not a big fan of them. Play brandon was like. You said. Rob a very underrated. He was very snarky. So we get the double episode. Where margaret goes the tribal council. Where brian goes is also very odd. Where i'm not sure that turns you think because rafe with sitting there that they were like they're going to keep their cards very close to the vast they concerned. Brian had the idol idols even in the game so they didn't know that rafe was going to be giving somebody immunity. I would have it but it felt like they did because it felt like the intentionally misdirected. So that brian wouldn't get the immunity. But it's I don. I don't know exactly what it was but it definitely felt like they were trying to trick grave. Yeah so well. I don't know if rafe was tricked. Though because has come out to say that he and bryan were never on the same page also admitted this that he and brian stelter in competition with each other. As like the the young superfan archetype a could they were sort of like the the adam klein. Nick wilson right of like only one of us can survive. That can only be one nine. This highlander scenario and so rafe was never going to give immunity to brian. So if they were trying to set up a smokescreen they didn't need to make internet. You need to build the fire because there was no way that rape is gonna give brian immunity in the first place. They hype up brian. So much of the tribal council and jeff s. bobby john john. What do you think about prep brian. Jeff you need a kamikaze to bus to wedge. Excuse me yeah kamikaze he. He's a great neighbour. Be great neighbor. Yeah he's he's kamikaze the bus to wedge man. The this is this is. This is part two tribal as well. This after the judge is not a bad sportsmanship. Add trouble as well which also comes. This is great episode because really also the bra. Rafe has the immunity. Because judd figured out the words scramble ancient zero ruined. Yeah judd judd. One to challenge just couldn't figure out the damn puzzle man. I didn't know that smart man. Next time i gotta keep my mouth shut man. But i tell you brought up a great point and i totally forgot that the murder tribal council is also. I'm not a damn sportsmanship management thinking. It was a sports me damn sportsman. Bad sportsmanship told me i'd add. Don't ask me such a stupid question. But i so. Brian is a really big part of this pre emergent. I think we'll find out later in the survey whether or not he is the kelly went mirth award but i think when people ask. Who's a pre merged player. That should be get that. You get brought back feel like unfortunately due to the forgetfulness blonde malla i feel like someone like brian can often fall off the table there but i feel like someone is hungary come back. You definitely showed a lot of strategic shops. You know we were led to believe that he was the one that was able to keep himself in the game with the lake stuff. It just became a matter of like because they had to go to tribal council and gary any were more than happy to move forward without him. you know almost at their own expense. They were cutting him loose here. He is certainly young enough when he played the probably love. What twenty one. Twenty two when he went out to play twenty two and certainly a still able to go out there kamikaze to bust up a wedge a platinum one at that. Brian was my favorite. When i watched the season first time he he was the rob's esther no of this season that i was like. Oh i want him to do well. And i was really heartbroken when he went home And i always wanted him to come back and nobody. Nobody comes back from guatemala. Except for danny very recently right so a maybe someday i think then the merge pre merger and then We have a couple of strong boots especially in that double episode. But then i think that that last vote before the merge might kind snooze on the. Amy booed episode news or in terms of the intrigued but not us newsletter. in who. we lose If you ask me you know the pre again who are the pre merged it's to bring back. I would say tracy hughes wolf from micronesia. You can certainly put brian in there. But i love me some abo. Hera hera is sparkled. She's such a great character. She is so like ott but not necessarily in a camera hagiwara just seems to be her personality she was always the great sounding board to go to whether she's talking about like oh. The beatles frigate helicopter or her talking about how much he was like. A fish. Out of water as lydia would say and the fact that she was able to pry and really only didn't make the merge because her tribe happened to lose here just because they didn't know how many more challenges they would have to go through an emmy was obviously the week one here. It was really sad to see her go. You can feel a family break up but amy's is just such a fun character. She definitely seemed like sort of like the elaine stock type right like the person that always had people busting up at camp and she had us busting up at home as well yeah. She's good in their reunion. Show also tearing this episode also features Perhaps one of the more unusual moments in history of survivor. We get a moment where the new yasha tribe shows up at nicole on the boat. And hey guess what. It's danny's birthday and you are all invited to a party at you. Shah danny loves parties. Thought that that would be great. Why does into nicole. Why don't you come to my birthday party. I love this again. it's such a unique feature of guatemala. And not only. Is it like this. Cool inter tribe pool party but there's a pool i also i mean. I talked about this a little bit but i love that. The waters are so dangerous that they need this sort of leg enclosed pool area in order to go into the water and and this is where they hang out. It's such a great visual. I love the g. me is like gloom the enemy. he's the he's the parent right at the pool. Party being like all right. It's time to go home. i wanna leave. We just got here. what are you talking about. And they're offering them the extra chocolates. Chocolates melt dot melting one. Hundred fifteen degree affected that formula t rob. The looking at the muddy ground is making me sick. I've eaten too much chocolate. It's was too much funding corporation. Mind culture of just being like the minds are known for a lot of things but one thing that really known for is chocolate. So you're gonna gorge yourself willy. Wonka style that that pool party. Even when bobby john becomes like the history professor permament right being like in ancient mayan days warring tribes came together off into party with each other like he suddenly brings. I don't know if this was fed to him. Or if you've read up on the culture prior to coming in. I don't know bobby. John knew about the former to them like chocolate. I agree with terry. I love this scene so much. It is so rare that we see this right. Like we're gonna get this. We're going to get ozzy and cowboy inflict accidentally walking over the other tribes camp and cook islands. But i feel like maybe somewhere around heroes vs villains. They like keep the tribes enclosed and don't allow them to explore. So i will say thank you to production for allowing us to have my. Do you have any back story on this. This comes across as like super contrived to me like a to me. I don't like can't imagine where like i say. Like any of the survivor seasons of all two of them. That i've been on there was never they. Let's go visit the other. Tribes like your. Yeah that's a good idea. Hey all right. we're we're leaving. we're going to go check out the other tribes camp We're actually going to see if they want to come here today. All right like production has to sign off on this like a. It seems to me like this has to be a production idea. See i kind of like this. Felt this felt like a very danny thing to me that she'd be like hey. Can we invite hey productivity. Invite the other tribe over to have a pool party for my birthday. Like i like birthdays. I like parties. I would like for this to happen. And they were like why not. Yeah i think. I think for production standpoint if they asked that. And you know there's going to be drama right. 'cause like the sad sack. Debbie downer nicole ironically enough for living it up much more than you shah Are now going to come over like that. Makes for great tv and survivor. Producers are gonna say whatever makes tv. We're going to go with it. I mean to your point rob. I certainly think if you had suggested back in survivor amazon. Let's go visit the girls. Maybe they'd be. Maybe it's just that nobody came up with the suggestion at that point. I mean it's also like a. We don't know where their camp is like. It is like the survivor. Camps are not like necessarily like across the street from each other. Like a lotta times like you have to be taken v. Like you get in a boat and then you are taking on a boat to another boat that looks like the boat that you got it in the first place so like production has to be like Very much On board with this. And to me i like i. I'd like to ask danny about this because this feels like a thing where it's like all right. Well you just. Let's just tell them it's your birthday and that's the reason why we have sort of like a pre merge sort of meet up. Tell it's just make up a birthday. I think it was. It might have been her birthday. And and that's what they just. They just ran with that again if survivor now could make allow these constraints in production. I'm assuming they're even more. So lockdown cove it but i wonder if you know how people make family members kids in the case of australian survivor. Like could you make up a birthday. Then make a birthday party to sort of parley relationship with the other tribe as well. Cochran did make up a birthday in south pacific so that this would just be one step after research. When does the nfl rights birthday. Was it during filming of survivor. Or did she have a fake bertha. It's going to be my birthday. And also i wanna party as well like. Oh can you make a pinata. Can you call in all the tribes overwhelming breaks concern the steaming and plotting and knowing production. They're gonna hide an advantage in that. Pinata knows it's going to become the most high stakes game opinion yet. Danny's birthday june july thirteen. So i think that that does sound like that. That would be in the production schedule. Yeah and then we go from the vote with amy of then. It's like okay. Well just go. Just go tell you tribe that it's emerge. Yeah you're you're already you're already went over there. You know the way you went through a day ago. Now go and say you live there now. Yeah kind of uneventful merge to Like hey guess what everybody wake up your merged well. It's just like all right okay. Yeah we'll they're not they're gonna do the twist on the on the feast right because maybe that's another reason. Why because they wanted to do the eater replace stuff. Which i believe is the first the first time we'd get that advent in survivor that they want to save that big. Twist for the challenge. They're like okay. We know we can't do a feast so how can we do an unconventional merge. Let's just send them on our behalf to make the announcement four us. Here's a boxer red buffs. You do the rest. we're also. This is the introduction of the immunity idol that is going to be hidden in the In the forest somewhere we haven't talked about yet so all right. The hidden immunity idol is here and it does provide for some intrigue here. Taryn what do you think of the first debut of the hidden immunity idol. I thought i thought it was kind of a fun. Little it was kind of like a bonus life at this point right and And it's one it's one thing it's clearly pretty difficult to find a rapist. Putting his hand in hornets nests and it takes multiple rounds for anybody to find it once they get a clue. Were able to intuit. What clue actually was and and i also like that. They did not show the finding of the idol. I wish that they had stuck with this. Instead of e you know the the massive idol hunt find segments that we get nowadays. That are far too common. I think in today's survivor. I think it was it. It was a lot of a lot of fun as an introduction for the immunity idol yet did show. Gary is finding in the reunion show which does not like they didn't have footage of it. Like maybe with amanda because that's the only other time really with the man was when we haven't seen someone actually find the idol. I agree i mean i love this way of storytelling where we're not necessarily in the know of everything there's still some entry to us of like a wait. Do they have the idol. We're not entirely sure. And then they put out so it surprises us as well. i think. unfortunately it's impossible to do now because idols in advantages are such an integral part of the game to the point where there is a third that describes what everyone has that i think. Unfortunately they have to keep everyone abreast as to what advantages each and every person has so they can figure out the boats that are going on otherwise from a storytelling perspective. I love it. And i think what also helps this. Iteration of the idol is that it's found in played in the same episodes. You could do this still in episodes where it's like. Hey if i don't find the idol before we get the tribal council like i'm done for tonight. I just got to keep looking and the sun is setting. I better hurry Go to tribal council and then but in the episodes where people don't play the idol. I think it's sorta then takes away from the storytelling of what we're able to figure out like if somebody got voted out with an idol in their pocket. You wouldn't even know until they said. I had an idol in my pocket. Like oh my god. So if it's like found in played all in the same episode like that. Amanda moment also. I think you still could do this. They could also. I mean we this. This is an old conversation at this point but They could take from the genius and do flashbacks right dan. I think in the premiere of david versus goliath And and and kind of like. I honestly i think even like a multi episode is sort of story line of a flashback if it if it plays out in the right way to have a majority alliance thinking that they've got everything under control and then an idol is played and you flip it back in. There's somebody they've bounded and they made some sort of resistance. And i think that could be fun. But it's definitely not in line with the structure that they've gotten used to over forty sees saw. Mike could we talk about the rules of this first hidden immunity idol and how it was used by gary. Yeah i mean so. This was essentially like a bonus immunity necklace where it's not. We really get the spectrum of power the idol and the teens right were like i. It's really not that powerful. Even though this does end up saving gary here because you can only play it before the votes are cast. So it's gonna be jeff's gonna ask. Hey are you giving up that immunity necklace and then if you have to play the immunity idol now do so before even when anyone even gets up the vote. And then we're going to swing all the way over to play an idle after the votes or red. And so you basically get a second chance in the game really. The bonus turns talking about in twelve and thirteen before finding that happy medium in fourteen. And so that's the other thing as well as that like comparative to the strategic ramifications that the other idols are going to show it saves gary that round but it really isn't like a huge impact that sound like a live tribal council now where everyone's like. Oh my god what do we do. Now what should we do. There was clearly a contingency plan. Where bobby john goes but the sequence of events that leads into it is so fun right where judd gets. The clue the clue said looking at tree. Judge says that the decided okay. I'm gonna finally lie in this damn game. But the like he comes up is probably one of the worst lies in survivor history. Where he says. Well tell you one thing. It's definitely not on the ground. It definitely there are no. it's definitely. Yeah when it comes to keeping a secret man. i can't do it. He's got to tell staff he's like i can't say i can't say too much. I can't too much what i can say. Definitely on the ground. Which immediately preceded by. Stephanie sang it included in say much other than the fact that it's somewhere in the trees guides in it's not on the ground and just is definitely on the ground and then he's out there looking up for the annetta gary that he sees just looking up at trees so he goes to like significant looking trees. And you know what we talk about. Russell hands found an idol without a clue. Gary hawkins dead. I let the history books show. Gary hawkins found an idol played it when he needed it. But i i like the fact that also not only was it like expended early on because i do think from a narrative perspective these two episodes of around the idol. Right of like. Let's look for it. Who has the idol. I think that would have gone a little tiring if it had an empty plate until the final six or five. So i'm very happy. It'll get expanded early on as well. Yeah i think they you make the adjustment because the you know gary plays the idol. I can't vote for gary tonight. Alright so now okay. The votes ended up shifting to bobby john on that i think that what they really wanted was jeff counts the votes and then we see somebody. Okay that person would have been voted up but they get the stand up and have that like bigger pop trouble cuts. You thought you could vote me out. And now you can't and you don't get that with this version of the hindi idol. Well that's what they tried with that ray thing right like they did that weird thing. We're raith gave immunity up before the votes were cast left and then just as well bryan. Technically you're voted out bellizzi. If one last chance exactly that was almost the first version of the god idol that we're going to see in the next season of you can be protected after the case. I also like the fact that we talk about immunity idols through the years. This one is what like a six inch. Stone statue is the very first immunity idol Yeah it's it's a legitimate idol Might just to go back to that. Rafe gets the pick who gets immunity. And that's about jeff did describe. The immunity decision was going to be race choice. I know i noticed that too. And i absolutely love it. It's like maybe that was stuck in my gray matter. That allowed me to come up with that phrase like seven years ago. This raves choice did indeed exist survivor. Guatemala so let's talk about the reward challenge that ultimately leads to judge getting the damn clue to the idle because this is a very fun one That they did versions of this. In earlier. Seasons notably in survivor all stars. I do think that they lose something in having it go. By the placement of who launched their arrows as opposed to judd picking who gets what but it sets up a really interesting reward challenge First of mike we get to see Pepito in her puppies. Yeah exactly they live here. Jeff establish also. The reward challenge is one of those classic old school survivors. Like wield a weapon. Now we already got that with the mayan. Were clubs that you had to throw nifty yards that gary is like look. I can't do that. I've never done that in my life. Please sitting out of the challenge So and here we get the at lateral i believe is the name of the the little like arrow throwing a dart. Yeah yeah it's basically a lawn dart not the anglicized particularly but yeah judd winds here and i do agree that ordinarily because the one that rupert one and all stars right was like he got to pick what big. Tom was pissed when he got stuck with the baked potato or the ham sandwich comparison to everybody else. But here it's it's due to placement in honestly the there wouldn't be drama if not for what jamie does because what we serve dover is that the inner compete challenge happens at the challenge in the previous day and Basically not only does jamie and a bunch of the nicole. Sit out but jamie serves taunts. Bobby john in really trying to psych him out basketball style. Bobby john is not happy about it and neither is anyone else. Basically everyone calls him an asshole for the factor that he did no shell god no class Been so so in. Rafe is of course very upset. With jamie out rave who has emerged set of this rape. Storyline is when he calls himself the axis of evil. He doesn't like and this is the fun thing about rape. He recognizes that. This is a social bonding exercise. And that had strategically relevant that. They're bonding over. Their bashing of the other players to unify doesn't like it it makes them feel icky jamie is making him feel icky And so he is. Like i don't know if i can play this game with this guy and so Jamie feels i. He's clearly been talked to and he feels like he needs to make up for his behavior so he gives up his own spot in the reward. It's also a good point because even earlier that day camp bright the they're coming home to the nicole so then coons are like. You're our new borders now. Welcome to our home and the shots are kind of like the help. they're saying. Okay we want to put it in a good word so we're going to haul wood and then accuser saying haha. Thanks for bringing us doing chores. But we're still good a vote. You al magnate really. That merged this merged episode in particular really vilifies. Basically all the nkhoma raped. Who is the sole voice of reason. It really sets up. This idea here are hero. And the the cinderella shaw's and ugly stepsister mccombs. Who have them do their chores. And they can't even go to the ball of the jury. You know poor join online. Yeah yeah the ball that they run into and so to that point. Jamie is a complicated character so even when he gets called out in bobby john does is like a come on. Gosh stop it at tribal council the next day. He's like all right. I feel bad about you. Know i want to be a good sportsmanship. So i'm gonna. I'm getting give away my meal. Well i feel like that. Probably the best comp for jamie out of the season that we watch is probably branded hands in survivor south pacific which who also would have like moments of like fits of rage and then also would go into like head down like oh. I'm so sorry. I have to make up for it like i've been a bad person i need to do. What's right i need to be. you know. be good gentleman. I need to try to make up for this. Yes sir no sir. And so that is what he does at this reward challenge where he basically gives himself last place. Yeah and and the thing that you kind of learn you're like oh look jamie seems to be aware of his own sort of place here but then after this rafe says in the confessional because he's paranoid he's just he didn't give his reward because he wanted to make up for his behavior is giving his reward up because jamie is show paranoid that his alliance is going to turn on him and i think to be fair to jamie calling him paranoid is a little bit of a disservice considering it they are wanting to turn on him. Yeah which came first the chicken or the app. Exactly don't eat it either way. I mean it's it's also an interesting case to in that. What jamie does is actually kind reflected in the sindhi stuff too as well right or even stuff going back to survivor care. Mohan with what brenda does but the family reward of like even when you are making emotional decisions in the game when it comes to these these you know. These creature comforts people might take it for strategic value. Where jamie might be like. I'm repenting for my sins. Gimme the you know the cold water. Nothing tastes better than my self respect. But even if you're coming from the best place in your heart someone's still might look you and be like. Oh i see you tried to strategically wheel best. Like you're just thinking about the game. At all time so it might be completely misconstrued. Just due to the nature of the game. I mean that's basically a survivor a ramon nutshell because going back to even earlier than this like people do something nice you know Matthew gave everybody our loved ones visit in the amazon. And i was like oh we got to get rid of him because now everybody likes him. Too much Through like the modern seasons of people getting out Who win the loved. Ones challenge Clark and people like that so there is no good deed goes unpunished. Yeah and this is another great opportunity for a moment. Though judges the king of the table he even gets his own little. Like it's a judge. Stephanie and bobby johns weird poly-amorous wedding and they get to sit at the table and imbibe on steak and lobster and drink to their hearts content. To the point where bobby john judd attempt to move a stump in the middle of the night. And it's just it's absolute like drunken glorious nece that we don't see off and on survivor karl in survivor. David versus goliath. Yeah in judge. Just like i remember any of that man. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't throw up in the shop. If you can't remember it they'll get cigars. Also i cannot think of another time. I've seen survivor players smoking. Cigars jervis yeah. I mean shane's gonna get about thirteen cigarettes in his mouth at once in next season. But i don't think he's been smoking a stogie so all right. That's a really fun scene. And then we see judd getting very sick. Also taryn like gary hawkins slash. Just give people the death stare ally. of course. I'm just i'm just enjoying just enjoying my slice of pizzas enjoying watching you eat. That's it. It's so funny. Because i can see gary being on a normal season of survivor and doing well and i feel like he had that potential like and he wanted to just be the landscaper. Who was just like who played like this sort of like more more straight laced game and he finds himself not in real survivor but in twilight zone survivor. Which is -vivor guatemala with judd. And jamie and stephanie. And and he's just like roy. Where is this will. Maybe i should have been a quarterback. I don't even know anymore. Maybe maybe in changing his career path almost like put things on a different timeline for himself. Now right we're like okay. Well now you're going to be honest. Viruses season full of the the fish monger and the water ski instructor and the magician's assistant. Such diversity is and you're going to be up gary hawkins but were you gary hoban you would get the most normal cast possible. This is your fate. Now the tribal council in that episode is also a good a good one Talking about like The lying in survivor and this happens a couple of times in the season tire. Were jeff ashley judd. About lying and these like young man. I haven't lied in this game. Yeah i've told the damn lie in this game. But i think i'm about to start because i think there's a lot of liars out here. I'm not. I'm not a liar. Man i i don't do that man i don't i don't do i. Don't do those lies men. That's not what i do it. So good and i will say also. I can't remember if this is a testament to the season's just this particular season. I feel like very short tribal councils. Yeah they're usually like ten minutes in modern seasons. These are like five matt's yeah well. I do think that that is one of the reasons where we feel like that. These characters are more fleshed out. Where i think. A lot of the time goes into tribal council in the modern seasons. And i do think that that is something that i think we can cut it down. I think so. I know they try to really build up. That like anything can happen at tribal council but even this shows that like live. You'll live tribal council where someone plays an idol and then they have to bobby john that doesn't need to be extended into maybe in the case of edge of extinction like an entire episode where you can just sort of condense it up alright. We we get the whispering that happens. We're not going to know what's going to happen until the pen hits parchman. That's totally fine. What sort of mini build out some other stuff before tribal council before we get to the vote here but bobby john I guess is the first person to like. I'm going say get idled out of the game. But he is certainly the the first person to a maybe have his position due to the play of a hidden immunity idol and and really. They made a big deal of this as well that the only reason they kept. Bobby john this long was because he pleaded to stephanie. like dole. let go ou- brewery again. Just let me let me make jury. And that's why. They take out brandon over bobby. John and what's really funny is that he doesn't end up voting for stephanie. He goes on to say. Who would you remove from the game. Oh i guess. Bobby johnson thanked me letting me be on the jury. It was only because he was the first person on the jury. Then he you know when tanking those questions oh boy yeah crocodile tank. yeah After bobby john goes out we're going to have the vote where we swing back and have jamie blindsided and Turn we really did get a painted. A picture of jamie losing it out there. Yes he got very paranoid. He talks to rafe about final three. But we're gonna we're gonna wanna final three right and raves i. I just don't feel comfortable giving my word as a man to you right now. And he thinks he's like his paranoia getting to him. And james i just i don't wanna suckered it's he's got released. Got our six right. We got we got the six the six and they're just like we got to get rid of this guy like thing in our sleep right ray. Flat out says. I've almost given up trying to understand jamie strategy in the game and it's an interesting point because we talk all the time about some of these wildcards right when you have these sort of like agents of chaos in the game. How sometimes you're able to use them to your side but sometimes just for risk management. You want to get rid of them. You know that they might be x. Factors in the game. And so i could imagine someone like rave. If he's feeling like jamie has transitioned from a constant variable over the course of their time together that maybe it's time to sort of write him out of the equation especially if jamie's attitude is going to get more more flipping over these days. Yeah and i think what's happening is that simultaneously as jamie continues to move in this paranoid direction. We get this reward section. Where steph is there with judd. And gary and danny and this is the kind of the first time we're hearing that like oh steph gets along really well with danny. They're really clicking. Yeah really well. Judd's getting naked a great time. Yeah it's a really. It's one of those again. We see so few things from danny that this is a really key thing that danny is essentially going to win the game by getting good with the power couple of stephanie and rape and you even see here but them just like really vibing personally and again in a in a game of a season of relationships instead of a season of strategy. That's really going to take them. Are especially like raith in steph getting ticked off at jamie and are getting more and more happy with danny. she's gonna work his way into that alliance. Am i crazy that i really enjoyed this whole sequence at the reward. Thought it was basically. You have like most of like the important characters their minus rafe. And they're spending time together then they get their videos from home. Yeah he's good. I mean most of these awards. I was just like. Then they went on the reward. Thing have extensive notes on this one because there was a lot to it strategically character wise. gary is going to make this this pitch of be the best to beat the best which becomes a recurring theme in the season. And god is like nah. The threats gotta go. It's gonna hurt me but the threats gotta go and then we get. Yeah we get the videos from home. And dan just wanted to see my dog. It's interesting you'd be afraid that gary family would pull a cc hydac right and be like hello gary hogan boom house my favorite xfl l. quarterback we're jersey. Do you have a really nice house in the background. It's like man landscapers make a lot Yeah drink some coffee gets bring back a lot of coffee. Yes holders money but to your point erin. Walsh judd doesn't want go log and that's gonna show when jug gets left out of the jamie votes steph seems to be a little more keen to play which makes sense given also stephan. The player in the season is so interesting. Because i know there has been some arguments of like. Okay did steph. Let the fame go dur- head. But i think there's also a meta narrative of what does steph play thinking about the people at home right and we know that the way that steph comes across is this like stick to it of nece. Never give up never surrender. I would certainly think if you're trying to pick the people to give the argument to be the best. You've got to beat the best to stephanie. Has to be one of them right if she is someone who built a reputation on like being one of the most bad ass women the game has ever seen. I think that's strategy would vibe with her a lot and it seems like it does and so. I do wonder looking even back from from stephanie's perspective. How many of her decisions were informed of like. Okay i need to think about hell. So many people have been inspired to apply for the game because a me. I want to make sure i play. In a way that continues the brand of stephania grosso and how much that does come back to bite her absolutely and she even says she's i appreciate that logic. I got a good thing going. But i appreciate that logic. And she's going to. She's going to go along that logic and it's going to be part of her final question. Do you feel that. She makes that she is trying to think about the brand. I mean i think this jamie vote. even though it's sorta racing is certainly part of that right of this idea of like okay You know. I wanna bring gary and danny along because jamie has shown that key is is not necessarily part of that. You know the people that are truly the best of the best the elite of the elite goto the with the titans. I don't think it necessarily meant the coach perspective of like we have to do this. But you can't imagine that. Stephanie was making decisions out there in guatemala. She was certainly thinking of light. Okay how is this going to be perceived in comparison to the immense amount of popularity. I game for myself in survivor palau. I think that i'd probably interpret it more in line with like kind of how she says it at the end which is like i'm an athlete. I wanna be like. I think that she kind of felt like she could beat them. that If there is a little bit of arrogance to her in this season that's where it kind of came from whereas like another big character that talks about beating beating. The best is going to be wu later on in survivor. I mean i. I think it really was like a respect thing with stephanie. It felt more. Like a like. I guess i can be. I can be like I'm stephanie gross. Yeah so this is the jamie boot here. Where i do think this again feels more like a wraith decision to me. That is stephanie decision in particular. Because i feel like we get a lot of the jamie paranoia perspective from ray a lot of the pf like keeps asking me to play guatemalan kala. For like the meantime he keeps saying we're in a final three. I get it. i'm done with them. But a key cog in this surprisingly. Is lydia where you know. They basically say all right. We think we have the numbers right. Assuming racing's that's him steph. Danny and gary are onboard. But they need lydia once again as we'll see what the judd vote to prevent a tie. And so even though. I think she's or lack of a better term strategically irrelevant to a lot of this post merger especially there are a couple of moments right. Thank lydia finds herself in an interesting position. Here lydia's kind of disappears throughout most of the post mirjana she has sort of like a free merge bump they make. It seem like that. Her enthusiasm is almost like single-handedly like the reason why we see nicole wing. Pancake win one of the challenges. Yeah l. this is the king of rock and roll. But i'm the queen. She's like she gets. Everybody like lumped up. What was in her. What was what we're in those termites termites right like something. Something really got got in there. I don't know we're in the fish. I don't know maybe. Or maybe just channeling the maya the meyer were known to be very Ecstasy fuelled people years lady stopping all over jungle hair away. Tom say day. They're gonna leave judd out of this photo terron. And that's be sort of like a harbinger of what's to come within for cindy to the flake i you get left out of the vote. Everything's called the. Don't worry you're definitely not going to be the next person from the alliance that we've actually. You are yeah it's I just wanted somebody to tell me. Demand what scott judd doesn't even feel bad whatsoever man. It's just it's just that judd wishes that he would've told judd and it's like why are you talking in third personal side and i don't know jan might as well talk into fifth person just so beyond words at a certain point but i mean they essentially didn't tell judd because they didn't want this reaction right they didn't want judd standing up being like well. You got to get rid of jimmy manage a damn good guy man. You want to. Who's a frigging damn. Lia- gary gary gary hawkins frigate damn lion man. He just told you he wants the best man. Now it's frigging with cindy over here. so judd he's upset about it but he's trying to be a good soldier and so they ultimately end up getting him back on board for this episode to vote out. Gary gary gary has gone far enough but it seems like gary gary and danny they able to get lydia but they still see my vote short. Yeah gary gary's last stand is so fun. The tribal council has troppled council produces for me to pretty iconic quotes as taryn mentioned before gary saying you know i like steph people. Here that are star struck by her. That's not her fault. But they can all probably get her autograph after the show and then of course the infamous judd being going on once against ivan lied. I've been white at all man. I never lied at all. Gary says okay. This is a lie. Hey guys the idol is on the ground. That's a lie as judge just gets completely caught. Flat-footed is like a told you. I was a bad lion man like okay. I lied about the damn idle. What are you what and another great thing about the autograph. Line is so bobby. John and jamie again. The the fierce rivals have now been voted off. And they have like legitimately fallen in love each other. Like jamie is nuzzling bobby. John whenever they get dig in its stephanie. They're coming up with secret handshakes. It's an incredible and to their arc. Okay well hey isn't the opposite of love. apathy is the opposite of love. It's very. They're like a bromance. Even in the reunion is continued on jamie about his is also a great quote about judd the philosopher gay area gary likes to think. He's not he's not a part of its lying game but the person you least think is likely to lie is basically the biggest liar. So i also love a juds. Miming of being. I guess i'd better start lying. Because i'm coming back to the this is over here over there over there over here here over there like i think judd wants to. He was told to misdirect at tribal council. He's literally misdirecting by joe and pulling the data essence hall of like look over there and trying to get people to look in other directions so they don't think about him all right. The final six is when danny really kicks things into gear and this is really like danny has been rather invisible than here through this first half of the merge and then she's going to kick it into high gear starting at the auction also before the auction that episode. Mike there is like an extensive. Seen talking about stephanie's flatulence. This is a weird beginning of camplin. Maybe i'd go back on my statement that we need more camp considering we gotta judd talking about steph smelling like eggs and then all of them doing cartwheels extended sequence as we get danny sort of confessional as she pulls up of course the perfect dismount. Simone biles style being like. I'm going to work my way here. I'm going to pull a rory. i'm gonna find my little crack. And she does but like this is really the emergence of danny. I would just say like the survivor player. She gets a brief glimpse of that back during the blake. Vote but like you said. It's been a while since we've seen danny talk about the game specifically and that perfect little alliance can't go down to the final five. It's just not gonna happen. I'm not going down without a fight. And i've got lydia so we had in the auction. Is this the first time that we have an advantage to the challenge in the auction. Yes and that's another really interesting hallmark of a lot of the rest of survivor. That shows up here to the point where the auction pretty much is over at in season. Thirty because people are putting in too much for advantages and ignoring the rest of the stuff here at its introduction. Everyone except danny ignores the advantage and allows the only player out to bid on an advantage that essentially pretty much guarantees her immunity at point. Six danny cleans up at the auction. Right she gets i if she gets the beef jerky uncontested for twenty dollars then. She pulled her money with rafe. And they get like a sandwich and then she says money left for the advantage. I mean again. Like the idol. This was the first challenge advantage introduce right like. I don't think anyone realized how it was going to be an especially how we're going to see it in future seasons the point where like if you win the challenge advantage unless your name is malcolm freberg or wendell holland. You're gonna win the challenge a massive advantage yet so they probably thought it's probably nothing danny's frail enough as it is. She's not going to win the challenge. Let her have it. And but i think sort of bad will was probably written over by the fact that loved ones. Come around the corner and people just forget about that advantage. Yeah and then. You're allowed to pull money here. Taryn visit. Take away from the drama or add to the drama allowing the virus to pool their money. Together you know i. I remember liking that at the time because it was like. Oh like you need You need people to help you. But i think. I feel like they've taken that out in a in modern seasons when they've had this in modern seasons and i and i think that's the right call because it just gives you it just gives the majority the ability to just steamrolled the survivor auction. Yes so you basically the person who needs the advantage then can't just go all in and not even with what i did like about. It is that it's sort of like exposes where some of the lines are in terms of the relationships and the people helping each other. But yeah if it comes down to. Who's going to bid five hundred dollars for the advantage as it will be later on. You don't wanna have like Basically okay give me one dollar. So i can outbid this person. Who's on the bottom. Yeah i'd rather have if if the intent is to expose the lines. I'd rather have a coconut shop challenge subjects. Then pooling money at the auction to showcase that yeah ok ultimately. We're going to see that judd is going to win. He's gonna pick cindy and mindy. And then stephanie and her then boyfriend future future. Vh one star mindy hall is making an appearance here. Cindy's twin one of three pairs of twins in this season which is absolutely ridiculous. But yeah it's it's very fun. Also i guess in like a very candice woodcock cody way right to see steps boyfriend michael. When she's obviously going to marry a much more famous person down the line than the bunch he leaves in the jungles of guatemala. Yeah this is actually terrible thing for stephanie's game that she gets chosen on this To to hang out with judd wife here promises that she doesn't lie then when clear she doesn't lie. I allies allies at that moment probably align. That's crossed yeah so but but it's also kind of a big moment or someone like raith. Well see this as a through line. This episode of next episode a race gets a little angry when he gets neglected for these very personal rewards schemes. I think the most broken up that he can't see his mom and that judd deprived him up a loved. One visit They're going to send rafe. And danny in lydia to go back and live at the old you shaw tribe because They're going to not get to partake in the loved ones visit at the mayan ruins which are the merge tribe camp and so. This is the time. When danny and rafe are going to bond over being again. I guess nobody talks to lydia. I guess not who's there. But it's i mean i hope they even comforted lydia because remember like the person that lydia saw for her loved. One was her brother who she hasn't talked to in two years and she gets didn't either love visit okay. She saw him today. That should cover for another year streak. Yeah i i. I feel so much like. She had a seventeen year old son and she needs a car. Jed and senior brother in two years. Everyone's like no lydia. Come on steph. You're coming with here lenny. Screw off don't do the pancake. Yeah so taryn. We're going to see us stephanie. She's talking with judge wife and thinking about like what a great relationship they have Later on when judge gets voted out in this episode he will come back in the final tribal council and say like. Why did you lie to my damn wife man. Why did you have to break. It's one thing to me man. But why do you get a lot of my wife. And stephanie says this is not a lie as someone who studies human behavior on the regular a is this ally mean is there is a technical Like there is a difference right. There's a difference between stephanie. Saying to judd's wife. I'm taking judd to the end when she has no intention of ever doing that and telling judd's wife i'm taking judd the end and then things change and she changes her mind and she doesn't end up doing it. Those are different things. The end result is the same though. And that's what you have to consider when you're talking to somebody who's been burned by is that they don't care would necessarily whether you were lying in the moment or made it alive by your actions later the end result is still that you trade what you had said. And so her explanation here is is awful. I mean this whole exchange is wonderful. Says a steph. You still starve. You haven't eaten anything. You've eaten more than i've eaten at home. Wow you i love to eat. You know that about me john. I love to eat all the only thing you should be. Starving for is my damn vote. Man your glad you just backstab man. Everyone the walk by human. You just backstab this one that one that once you cross the line man when you lied to my damn wife man. New should've kept your mouth. Shut man when i mona my wife. Got their mance you you. I'm going to keep going to keep a promise to you tonight. i didn't. I did not lie to. Your wife wasn't lying at that point. I had no idea what i what we're gonna do at the time. It was really was all danny's fault danny's the one that said we needed to do it. Survive look survivor. These things happen. Yeah i mean like you said. She's not false here. But i think the way she goes about expressing it as because at the end of the day. It's not going to matter to judge whether or not she was lying in the moment or not for him. What matters that he voted out. He's just trying to bring this up like a trap for her of. Oh well you never intended to take me like you said steph was totally fine with it is rafe that has going growing more and more disgruntled with this guy as the days pass but in her going back on this she is promptly now this idea in his head of all. I never was with you. The entire time and intention. -ality beats out actuality all the time survivor say. Perception is reality and so if the perception is you're a damn liar mad if you contend with. We'll technically i didn't lie then. That's not a strong enough argument. Look you don't cross the line with john's wife. Does wife man and makes makes me feel like i eight twenty five white castle cheeseburgers man. Exactly a whole ukraine and kale's we'll say i had the pleasure of talking with both judd and his wife. Kristen and she definitely has the i i could. I could understand though that twenty-five a white castle cheeseburgers worth of love. She's a very sweet woman. We did a great talking with t. bird with jive. And he was referring to chris who is a nearby during that. Wanna make sure we get the lengths to that up on the post win. This podcast ends up going up to go back and listen to that and he was really great on that talking with t. bird interview but the judd vote out here than in this episode to me. This one is such a head scratcher. I really don't understand why. Stephanie goes along with this mike. Do you have any insight. We'll sell it really. Is i think for me stephanie. Going along with rafe. This one in particular because race entire thing was that he felt and this is why individual rewards are so fun but so nasty in the game of survivor. Is that when people pick other people to go on the rewards neglect others. It really gets your motor spinning. We're racist thinking. Wait a minute. Does judd not like me enough. Am i getting pushed out of the alliance right now in judge favor i need to strike now before he gets me. And so he's going to get danny onboard. He's going to get lydia on board. And so i think steph kinda has to go by proxy. She started talking about this. Even with the lydia belt right where she's like. What am i supposed to tie the vote up. I don't think she wants to do that. She doesn't want a break from rafe. In this moment. And so. I really do think this is her just sort of like her teeth. And saying okay rafe. If you feel like this is best for us. I will vote out judd. Even though as they're both bringing up and they'll bring up next episode like we keep making promises to people and then immediately coming them the very next day. This is not good. I think this is easily. Danny's best episode in terms of added that she received starting the episode with. I'm not gonna go out without a fight. I'm going to find the cracks. She's then you know. Rafe says the thing you can trust about judd is that he can't trust him. And so danny. Talks danny talks to us. She said the raith doesn't trust judd and she can use that as crack. We're gonna see danny talking to to staff in saying hey judge still mad about that whole jamie thing and she quotes as things that judd has said and attributes those quotes to a conversation he was having just with lydia. Which makes it seem like judas conspiring with the. Because there's the conversation we're lydia's basically just like oh you know you know who's running the game region just like damn know who's running the damn game man like of course i you'd have to be blind squirrel in a nut factory not to see it no they take that as a sign of well. Judd said that he's coming after you guys because he sent you in the ones running things exactly. And so so steph tells us that she's starting to doubt judge. He'd like to believe him but he's been caught in lies and danny hasn't lied at all so she believes danny so i am inclined to believe that. Obviously they're going to be reaching to give danny as much credit as possible as the winter. But i'm inclined to believe that this is danny's finest moment again so yeah just thinking about this yesterday. All that is true. Judd has some marks against his character in terms of he has told lies. Danny maybe has not told any. But whereas judd going what is he doing. What is the play that he is making like. Is he actually a threat to stephanie. In any way she. I mean she at this point she has to choose between jordan. Lydia right and so You technically it's also betrayal of lydia for as much as they've talked about like lydia went off with gary. She went off with danny. She's always voted with them so she has to betray one of them and if she feels like like judd is the one that that is turning in is probably more capable of winning something it does kind of make sense to To just go ahead. And take him out before lydia here you know right so so it's I i kind of see. I think yeah. I think i think they're they're. It's not exactly the strongest case but definitely is evidence. I mean tearing you bring up a great point in the tailend there. Let's also remember that judge. Just you know. I think judd was in it for a couple of these challenges. Now that all of the young athletic guys are gone. Despite the fact. That rafe has more necklaces. I think judd might be one of the threats left to win challenges. Certainly more than lydia. But it's definitely one of the worst moves that stephanie in particular ends up making. It seem like she particularly had an extremely close relationship with jot who tear point. Rob judd wasn't going anywhere but my lost my think first gone to pick up. What might you're saying that. I isn't a dream for stephanie. To sit in the final. Two with judd. Could you imagine judge the final two where somebody's asking a question and it's like okay judd. Why did you vote me out. Like all right man. Listen man you know. I wasn't my bag. It wasn't my damn idea. Okay all right. I did to do vote you out. Just see him. Exploding at a tribal council. I think that that would be like maybe the scenario where stephanie could win in a final two. I mean i do not disagree But i think the wormtongue rafe was just in her ear about like. Hey i am. I am your final two and i feel like that's an and she's going to say later that that the cindy moment is the first time she's ever disagreed with rafe in the game. And i think that that partnership was was true and she was always planning to end with raith always loyal to rave and so because of that. Everybody else didn't matter. We loved the rings reference. Taryn by the way i love the king that is that. Is stephanie right now. Just the grain wind person by the end of this is is so so. I think that i think she she really her. Her mind was sort of warped in the direction of like this is. What's best to get rafe. And i to the it's actually. It's funny because i'm reminded a lot of big brother three With danielle and jason which obviously a reference that may survivor viewers might not recognize. But i see it in somewhat similar way where she was dead set on me and rafe in the finals and ultimately they make a wrong call in terms of who they should bring and then that person ends up beating them. But it's that sort of mentality of. I need to get there with rafe. I think that really ruins her with the rest of the alliance and causes her to make this decision. Which i'm sure is supporting. And she's hearing from danny and they've made this sort of separate thing with danny now. That feels like okay. We know when we may be like maybe we can trust danny a little bit more and so ultimately the mistake is made okay. The final six is definitely a point that you look back at as in terms of Where stephanie is fumbling. Where danny is making her gains. We have that epic final five challenge wear final five episode where cindy and hold on hold on just cannot get past judd. Talking about his exit lines here because survivor. Guatemala is full of iconic excellence. We actually skip pass. Jamie's right the like blindsided. Now that's how you do it. Get cindy's are looking at you through the roof of my brand new car. But how can you beat Hope you all get bit by frigging. Crocodiles scumbag is hope. You get bit by a frigging crocodile scumbags scumbag and then in in his in his final words. I was pissed on pissed off by by everybody man. Yeah i'm pretty curry bobby. John you got the gray moment. Hope you'll get a crocodiles Scumbags one of the most iconic i mike. I'm sure that's come up in a list or two that we've done over the years. Why don't think we've done exit lines so far we've done final words but i don't think we've done things you say before jeff snuff your torch. Maybe that's one for the future right because again we have three here from guatemala colleen. Be fair play. Nice type of thing. Nothing visit johnny. I'm sure we could come up with a list. If there's demand for it okay. All right At the final five ultimately things are going to go sideways for cindy after the car challenge. we talked about that earlier in the show but was terrorism. A different way to go here for this cindy vote. It seems like that. Rafe and danny want to get rid of cindy again. Here's stephanie who is on a caught in the middle about what to do. yeah. I mean it's again it's the thing is it's not that bad of a call especially because danny at this point is looking like she's not going to be able to win anything and cindy has been performing very well. In challenges. judd had been performing well in challenges prior. So there is. I think a logic to okay. We're like there's only one person not in the alliance at this point. Let's just start taking out some of these challenged threats to make sure that we win. In the end it does make sense. I think cindy is probably the right call here. She probably has a decent chance to win. She makes pass this vote. And i can't really fault their decision ultimately but i you know at the end of the day they do let danny gets too far. They just were too comfortable with the fact that they didn't think she'd win. Yep she has more of a challenge threat than danny is especially with the knowledge. That danny is not doing so good physically as the end of the game and the other thing is well is that you may think like okay. This is a no brainer decision. Of course you you give the car to other people but it really does seem like it was open and shut. That like cindy was getting some wyant. Yeah like she was left. Out of cheers left out of the judd. Vote like the writing on the wall. That danny that sydney was not going to be included here so i mean there was a very very very very very good chance that even if she gives the cars away she gets voted out. Might as well leave with a car while you're at it right especially from someone like sydney who apparently comes from a background. Where like she doesn't necessarily have the means to have her own car. I know that on paper. It looks like a ridiculous decision. Why give up the opportunity to give four cars to other people wh- instead of keeping one for yourself and jeff obviously makes the big deal out of it but at the same time it's all situational heavily. Doubt that if she gives up the karst everyone else that she ends up staying here probably she had a great talking with t. so it was a two-part talking with t. Bird all about not just her decision to keep the car but what happened to the car. And cindy after survivor. She drove the car cross. Country went on a harrowing adventure. Definitely if you want to hear more from cindy hall. Who really had too great talking with you. Bert episodes that we did a at the end of last year. So taryn if we're really going with like the magnifying glass. Can we find anything. That danny did to influence this vote. I mean we we see here that this one. The final three between rafe danny and steph released solidifies. And and that's obviously going to be very important. This is i imagine like after the judge vote. They're like you know what. Maybe this is the way to go. Maybe we solidify this final three with danny who we think we can be. And and then that's it. We've made final two. We've we've made it happen. Rave has also been promised final two by danny. He says that's crazy amount of security. And so i think in raves mind. It's kind of like look kinda. Got all my bases covered. This point is not too shabby and we never really get a lot of insight into the dynamics of structure of that majority alliance from the merge. Like what would have happened. If rafe and steph had not made these moves were they really at the core. Would they really have been able to run down with it like they did if they hadn't made the moves early or like what kind of set up. Did cindy have where. Where did she think her end game was. Where did you think his endgame was. I imagine judd was a number for steph and then but you know why. I don't know we never really got that structure setup for us so it might make sense that that That rafe is now feeling like okay. With danny as my secret weapon. I've got this game on lock. It's a weird dynamic where this is one of the only survivor seasons. I can think of where the goats were making the decisions. Because i think to your point tearing if you ask cindy who's your game plan. She's gonna say stephanie. If you asked lydia. Who's your endgame plan. She's gonna say stephanie. Everybody wants to take steph into the end. Because then you would be a slam. Dunk court ball style would beat her the ball exactly and they're setting up the pick for her lose. Nothing and i think it's so it's really interesting that again. She is a power player this season. Despite the fact that when it comes to the end game she has no power. She is bound to lose really no matter what her best chances against raith but i think he i think he beats her seven. Nothing personally and so. I think that it's really intriguing to have her. Be the one to make the decisions. Despite the fact that one st thirty eight turns a day thirty nine. She has lost all the power. But she's determining essentially who's going to win sitting next to her and basically rafe is able to use danny as the paring knife to shave off all of steffes other options so that is the only one left right and it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense from right from race point of view. It's it's an interesting travel council as well. Because i feel. This is the first time. That rafe is in the spotlight. Like again steph. Hasn't really been brought up because she's this goat. But when sydney finds out that rape wants to target her she starts to turn things back onto wraith and it speaks a lot towards rapes. Game that this is the first time in the entire season that ray finds himself in the crosshairs. Everyone else has in this game. Except for rave and now ray finally gets it at the final five and to watch him. React to that again. It doesn't mean anything. Because cindy ends. I'm going unanimously here but i do think it's a very interesting moment. I think rape is now starting to get called out a bit for the stuff. He's attempting to do Yeah cindy says that. He's the person to worry about before she gets voted out. I think you guys every time. I look through the sun roof of my new car. Yeah like raith pitches to steph like. We gotta take cindy out. She's his biggest threat to win this game and step as i am. I going to burn another jury. Vote though it's okay. You don't need to worry him on. I mean you brought this up last week and you. You brought this up at the game. This podcast rob. I do think that the tandem efforts of guatemala and fiji killed the car and reward on survivor. I just think that there were these opportunities right. Like when pontiac found out. Okay there's going to be this reward where someone can give away a bunch of cars to a bunch of people oprah style as cindy will invoke her name like. It's going to be such a great tv moment and then she doesn't. She spits in the face of that opportunity. Like i'm sure. The car company thinks. I i don't know if i want to be affiliated with the show any negative association of i mean in this case and even in fiji you could argue like no people want these cars real bad there. We'll do anything to get these cars. Yeah so i think to your point i think. Unfortunately it's the more myopic perspective of like a these are affiliated with negative wheeling and dealing. We don't want our brand affiliated with that therefore we're gonna we're going to back the car away here even though like you said it's more so say this is what people will do for a car. It's so good you can't give it away to other people you gotta keep your hands on it Say that. there's something that i noticed in this rewatch of guatemala. That really would have informed a lot of my preseason picks or season forty which is I never. I never realized this. But danny along with the million dollars also wanna car as part of her products. Oh so she one and then got the car so she would. She got the part. I applied after she had already wants so when she goes back to winners at war she was never gonna win. That's a good point. Just like amber gets given a car in survivor all stars and she didn't win winters war so really. We had to trace it back much. Like tire marks bachelor. Those cars from the original sees no wonder none of the old school players one because they were winning really would've helped me narrow down. My preseason picks lotta sense all right. let's talk about the finale. Because the finale is pretty wild. We have a big ceremony to kick off the finale a ceremony by a bunch of People who are are they. My in elders mike. Yeah so this is again. The weird appropriation right. This is like the a- all right. let's invite a bunch of old natives into survivor to do some a mumbo jumbo is stuff. do believe these are. They have mayan ancestry. Sadly the story of the mind people is that there civilization was destroyed but like the people assimilated themselves into mesoamerican societies. So they are certainly part of that culture. But they're gonna. They're gonna perform like ceremony. As i do love lydia's tree mail is like we're gonna celebrate. We're gonna party. But she's like reading between the lines of the tree mail like we're going to have a big feast and then rape says wait. Where does the word celebrate. Committed to this issue clear we re actually getting a feast or are people just going to come visit our home us. They performed the ceremony which involves sacrificing. Chicken and. Stephanie has her eyes on that chicken the whole way. Through a to the point where she asks lydia to ask The people perform the ceremony it. Can we eat the chicken and this is a. This is a ceremony for the chicken. This is not an eating chicken the ceremony which only makes this whole thing worse which is like the entire sort of punchline of this entire segment is that they go ahead and eat the chicken And i will say. I i have i really respect rafer being like no i after thirty eight days or whatever it was it was like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna disrespect. Their culture is chicken story with a work better. If dan didn't eat chicken. Oh yeah they curse. Chicken the first of the car then the curse of the chicken. Yeah my favorite part of this though comes when then they have the chicken and then they break the chicken's neck and they pull the head off. The chicken and rafe tells us how stephanie turned to him. And said is it dead. He's yes yes. I mean they took off. That's a dead chicken stephanie. Maybe maybe steph took the phrase chicken with its head cut off quite literally that the chicken goes on to lead a nice full life without a head the head was merely cosmetic and chickens can actually live without it. That's what's starfish. Yeah yeah exactly like she's not from kansas. She's not from any of these farms stage. She's a jersey girl. she's never met a chicken in her. Damn life Yeah exactly. I would tell you if there's someone who is more ticked off than rafe at them eating the chicken. It's jeff probst. Jeff is besides himself at tribal council when he finds out and it seems legitimately wasn't tipped off beforehand that these people eat the chicken and caused the terrible storm that rocked them that afternoon. Yeah i don't know. I think he might be playing it up. You think so alongside. Danny's birthday party. There's just this one producer incredulously. Like i think that he goes into like this. I mean there's nothing going on on the lead up to a lydia. Jeff get this okay. We did a ceremony. Like i wonder if they did if they did a ceremony with a chicken with the intention of. Let's leave the chicken there for them to chicken plant. Is it like a social experiment of what would use the blake of producing. I think i am. I'm with rob on this one. I think jeff jeff always knows. Jeff knows what's what's going on prior to tribal because they they wanna make sure that he's he knows what to get at right so let me now. What are we keep saying us. International survivor lovers like we want more moral dilemmas in us survivor. This was one. Hey someone sacrificed decorative chicken or you're gonna eat it and what does that say about you. I'm one of these scenarios. I want more like. Hey you know. Here's a here's a piece of steak but it fell accidentally on one of bobby. Johns open sores. Or you going to eat it. The fire moral dilemma. There or is that you know. He also just went to the bathroom and handled this decision. Yeah we're final. Three challenge incredible final three challenge. A i mean. I think that palau is probably tops. Borneo is up there but is this a top five. Final challenge for survivor. Knock either you talking about. I don't know. I think that when they're holding onto the rope go by. This was very exciting. No no you can't put a challenge in the top five. That doesn't work the way. It's intended like the way they intended. It was that they were always going to be holding onto ropes and when they let go of the rope they're supposed to balance on it. When the fact is the challenge just devolves into. Oh i just need to lean up against the post for two and a half hours and i'll be fine. It leads to an interesting outcome. And it's the reason. Why danny wins. The challenge ended air. Go wins the game. I would not necessarily call this. Jeff snake bit call on the field. You have not been allowed to touch the post. I don't do that. They thought tall enough to do so. It's sort of like. I mean i think next season's challenge is more so egregious right with like the we're going to end with a balanced portion and unfortunately like poor. Terry deeds is not nearly as balanced as danielle de lorenzo. Like this definitely has more holes in it right and it's like oh there's these specific apparatus on the side. That could get manipulated. It's always tough all up. Boys specifically the challenges that lasts like twelve or so hours. But i do not think things going the way they did in more ways than what i check out on a lot of challenges maybe because the fact that it is an endurance challenge. We don't have not had so far on the countdown. This was especially exciting. It's a that's the thing rob is that it is a great challenge to watch and i think that's probably why they made the call in the moments. Be like you know. Let them stay. Actually this is good. But in some ways they played themselves because head no footage of danny in the entire season and a wraith victory. Probably has is a much better story for the overarching z. Over djing the storyline of the season. And it really wasn't particularly fair. I think as as my explaining app so like it did lead to a great moments. I think again. The challenge is great to watch watching stephanie. Slowly fail was great to watch rave coming in after the competitions over to release danny from the promise is great but it was kind of like a short term greatness for a little bit of a long-term loss as a seeing rafe witness season probably would have been a little more satisfying overall and. Maybe the season isn't quite as forgotten if that's the outcome and we spoke about the the stephanie villain i will say she does have like one moment of heroics in the finale here. Right to terry's point. I do think her last stand where she's basically at ninety degree angles crying out in pain. It's it's a reminder to people like. Oh yeah that's the person i fell in love with in survivor palau us. So it's a nice. Nice little sparkle from stephanie. When she has not necessarily been sparkling in that regard screw gold or platinum. She's like tin foil season comparatively and another thing to add here. And like i don't want to. You know really. Anger rafe here. But i just don't buy the idea that he immediately knew he was going home. And that's the thing. I think they're part of this too is that he felt guilt over the fact that he is the reason they took danny to the final three. Because stephanie had been talking about like wanting to take lydia potentially plan to take danny to the final they felt like they could beat. Danny and i feel like that's another part of why i think he comes in after watching the fight so hard and i'm sure he just watched the previous season where she did too and spill so much guilt over the fact he is going to be the cause of her going out right before the end and he feels like releasing himself from that and also getting to go. I think was that moment. He didn't want to be complicit at all in either. Danny knocking out stephanie. Or seventy blaming him for not taking him to the end or not taking steps. Let's talk about the final tribal council as We will work to get mike back on with us. I know mike to having some In power issues over at his house so at the final tribal council. Not a ton of fireworks You know judd comes in hot. We talked about that but other than that nobody is like super mad seemingly at the final travel council right. I mean we have some. We have some interesting moments. You bobby john is gonna ask steph. Are you proud of the way that you played this guy. I mean that's that's a pretty loaded question both of them the same question this true but you know it doesn't end up voting in that direction. Sure I get from from jamie that. Yeah you know. I just. I just couldn't do what you did to get close to people and then just let them go. I just wouldn't be able to talk like that. Your people is Best friends and then you just voted him out. That lydia has a more interesting jury question than you would think where she basically gives arguments of like. Hey you betrayed me. Both you both had told me at one point that you had my back. And so we're talking about like the clinical bitter jurors of survivor guatemala. We oftentimes thing. Judd janey cindy we don't really think about libya. I think leigh feels pretty pretty burned as well. I think that stephanie has a particularly bad. Answer to leah. Which is sort of like the opposite. We always talk about like what how. Todd ends up a diffusing john rubare or cochran malcolm. It's like i had to do it because you would have beat me. Stephanie does like the inverse of that lydia. She says yeah. I had to take you out. Because i wanted to be at the end with the best players the strongest players in the game that would've been a referendum on on what i wanna do of being at the end with the best players. Not you one of the worst player let it. I'm athletic and competitive. I'm not just going to go for the easy win. Against if i take you. What does that say about me is a terrible question to ask you suck so bad. That would be like what's the fun and even winning against somebody who stinks as much as you and her answer is also bad where where. She's like her explanation for why she blindsided people well. I just have a hard time saying. I'm going to vote someone out. I just i mean as you said. Blindsiding is the best way to go like like trying to be like. I mean you said this. So it's really. If you think about it. I was just doing what you said it was as i am i. Love wraith really signaling. Hard to steph with his question. we're after he goes. Hey steph by the way in your closing statement. You should say why you should win over the other person. Yeah so so first. Rafe says to. Danny you made the opposite decision than the one you said you were gonna make. Why did you do that. Which again implies to me. That he was still feeling a little certain way about back. Didn't happen in that. He was not trying to save her own feelings or image at this point but she says the competition changed her mind on who is the most deserving which was maybe not the best. Answer for raith but in matter. And he's you're right. He set step up. He says steph. I know you've played the main game. We played a lot of it together. I would like you to tell me about one of the moves that you've made that i don't even know about Which i. I didn't do anything i didn't. This is a setup for her to give additional things. Reif maybe hasn't been able to tell the jury and she says i in steph completely misreads this. She thinks that rafe is going to be upset if she's made moves outside of what he knew like right. She's like i. I didn't do anything outside. You always with me race. these like. That's not why i'm asking this question. Actually can you just please. I would like to say again that you should say spur moves that you have made in this game because i danny has not made any and you have made a lot so please just explained that you've played a very good game. That's what i would like If you save if you can if you can't tear in. I mean you invoked this comparison before and i've certainly seen it in the feedback for this anticipation for this podcast. How comparable is this to you to the big brother. Three final to this idea of this person who was in charge of a lot of the moves but you know ties in the process as opposed to someone who might not necessarily have been in power but due to competition wins and relationships was able to work their way into the yet. I would say that And i'm sure we'll talk about this in danny talks about how she is. She beat the radar. She hit her strategy. Which i was a lot more into until i watched the war. But but i do think that That lisa's probably a little bit more strategically a active in big brother. Three i think the danielle is also a much more capable in strategically active player. Then steph is where this it would almost be like if jason was the real brains behind the operation in big brother three. But that's not really the case. And so i i do think there are comparisons to make. But i don't think it's one for one at all. I do however love judd's question to danny as well. You have gone ice skating or roller skating. Because you're the best day of my state i've ever seen in my life. My new the end skjei right through the whole game. So usually you'd like to know when she lied and she describes a couple of sounds. Like you lied lot. Maybe you should go to confessional. And she's like well you know. I ask forgiveness every day and it just goes good answer. Like he's like watching family feud instead of doing survivor jury question. I mean i've been danny does sort of shut up him. I know that judd was never going to vote for stephanie. But i think danny handles things. Okay right which. Like the only time i really liked was when i told jamie and brian i wasn't going to vote for them and i did. As opposed to someone like stephanie. Who did that to your face. Should i remind you to your wife. Even though that was again launched jet into that whole thing but of course in true pre trial pre roundtable just got the final jury question. Right like he's the big character your the one that's gonna be the last one to talk and the promise he's going to keep to. Stephanie is that he promised he'd never writer named down. Yeah the only thing. That judge sergeant alicia calloway common. I wonder could. Stephanie have played up the final challenge where we see that. Stephanie is like survivors. Greatest loser when she's would she loses. She wins with us like could she have may be played. This tribal council like i stink at this game. I'm so bad at it. But i'll never quit. I never give up. Even though that. I'm not good at this game. This game is so hard for me. Is that like a half. Try right of like. I know i'm not going to win. But i'm really. I really will not quit. What idea where. Healing my admit you. Shouldn't you probably won't vote for me. But dammit if i didn't try my hardest season. She survivors lovable loser. Who loses and then never gives up and that's what we love about her. It is but i. I don't think that's the image that the the voters would want in the person that backstab look. Maybe she gets two votes. think about. Who's the other vote. Who's the other person that votes for swayed. By the argument of. Yeah i betrayed you. Suck for it please john. Maybe bobby john past aljic like drapes. What he says he votes. He says the game is about who you are. Your character is your strategy which is a great quote. But then it's followed by steph is the ultimate survivor. Which was not quite going to hold is true. Not great all right. We go to the library. Union extended Jeff probst copter delivery of the votes a neither fisher foul of in that. It's like okay. It's jeff like leaving with the votes and coming in but it's not like a funny or campy just like oh well i think palau did both the final immunity challenge and the vote reveal because i do believe last is the infamous jetski or many allstars. Was i remember. There was one more helix salutes the statue of liberty and moment coming into new york so the guatemala one is is a little bit nothing but we need to cherish these. No because even if it's if it's like medium price stake we're going to become vegetarians very soon when it comes to not seeing any of these jeff probst these jeff probst carrying the voting earn into the final tribal council setting. I will say overall this a fund reunion. I'm eleven the denim. Look on his wardrobe change. Yeah exactly but i feel like this was a good reunion in that like we heard from everybody even acknowledge people back the nothing people. I said to morgan and brianna for questions. I'm certainly happy. They've made an impact on the season but again when we get the survey proved me wrong. And i like jeff does some check ins with with some of the bigger characters as well. You know it just it really shows again how strong this cast is really the vast majority of it that it felt like we could go to so many people and not feel like it was a stretch you know brandon has moments blake has moments. Amy obviously has moment. It's not like we feel the need to check people off a list rather interested in you talking about your time in the game. Please tell us about it. Tearing what's the most memorable standout moment from this reunion. Why do like the overall tone. It's always hard for me to to know what would have happened with the jury. Vote in other scenarios and the fact that they all seem to allude to like. If rafe had made it there he would have won. Even against danny is good to know the show of hands just like well. There's no way of knowing like every other season voted to raise going direction. The votes go. Yeah but but obviously i think the biggest thing is the is danny calling herself stealth bombers. She didn't fly out of the radar. She beat the radar. They didn't see your coming until she dropped the bombs on them and jeff says well. Danny that's interesting because we didn't see you playing the game until the end and he goes to gary. Gary is danny underrated and carey says no. She was just a good person. Hard worker like the guy who was closest to her in that britain that post merger is just like now she was just she just did she could. But this is this is going to be. I think if if i'm going to give danny credit for one thing it's that's a great quote and it's a quote that's gonna stick with her and give her a great reputation overall those that do remember her whether it's whether she played fantastic game or not. She really knew how to market herself afterward. Yeah i think that danny played perfectly for this particular season right. Like some of these seasons are hyper strategic. I don't know a danny type of on just going to make some good relationships. Be the girl from next door and win when i need to. I don't know if that works. In like millennials versus gen x. Things are hyper strategic and things are flipping on a dime. But we're again. It's very personality based relationship driven season. Where if someone likes you. Chances are they actually might put in the effort to keep you over some more unsavory individuals. It worked perfectly here. And that's why it's always tough to compare winners because there really are different castes. That are almost a creating different themes if those edicts for this season for for danny season in particular it started over on who when she was hanging out with the good old boys the killer. Bees it really was like a right. Just you know smile. Be nice be honest with when you can and make good with the people that are in power and that ends up being the winning strategy. It's why survivor. Such a great game is because there are so many different ways to win But while it might not have been the flashiest way to do so. It was still impressive for the season. She played the cards that she was dealt and was able to turn over a pretty damn good hand from it. Okay ready to get. This is some questions from the listeners. Let's do it okay. All right this is john in. Can danny strategy ever win again. She's the only winner to win by infiltrating the dominant alliance of modern players. Shut that down quickly. Unless the weasel is a jury goat like sherry could danny's strategy ever win again. Let me point people to a young woman by the name of michelle fitzgerald. I think that there is some dna of danny in michelle. A bit in terms of certainly was on the out by the time. The julia vote came around right. She had to infiltrate that alliance and certainly things went her way. She had to win challenges she. She was able to avoid a couple of votes where she would have been the next out. But i do think. There's some very similar gameplay especially then when they really pumped up a social game denny's of very good social player so i actually do feel like there are ways albeit under some extraordinary circumstances to win still in this day and age as of the danny michelle social player type. I mean i think the danny path to win is every single. Losing players hail mary. Every single one of them is going to try this And under the right conditions it'll work. If the opposing alliance has a certain structure that they need an extra person to uses a vote and you provide them the right. you know. you're the right person for them. You don't screw it up by being too wishy washy or anything like that. You win the right competitions at exactly the right time and boom you've won the game. I mean it happens in big brother and happens and survivor. it's always gonna be a possibility. The beauty of what. Danny does here in this season and also you know chris also does it. Well in benoit's is. I thought that in modern survivor. We tend to see the person who's going to go full. Troy's in and we've seen mike holloway. Make it work and make it work where it's like. I'm going to like then. Just go toe to toe with the big alliance where danny was able to infiltrate the right powerbrokers in the majority alliance which ultimately got her to the end. I think it's harder to like to burrow underneath enemy lines. And then get in as opposed to just. I'm going to like take them all on and you know we never challenge or play the idols at the right spots. Well does that. Come from the fact that that era that danny in chris came from. It didn't have those things that you can rely on his outs. Mike in panic. Mike and ben can say it's okay if i don't get along with the people in power i just need to find things that can keep me safe another day in the game whereas chris and danny condense say like look. I can win immunity today. Doesn't guarantee i'm going to win it tomorrow. So let me try to use this time. That i'm safe to broker things. That'll keep me in the game longer. And so they have much more longevity. And i think are much less hopping from rock to rock. Then maybe those two other guys you mentioned. I would definitely say that. I think that you know. I talked about the conditions need to be right. I think in modern era the modern era of survivor that conditions are less likely to be right. Mostly because the jury is not going to respect the danny game as much in the jury the quote unquote bitter juries. Your resume were you. Were in far farther between yes absolutely and and part of that. I'm sure is because are more ways to make a name for yourself if you do just slide by. Even if they don't like the person even if they feel like you know steph trade me but at least she did something at least she workout or instead of being dragged along And like sure like burrowing in and making nice with the people in power is nice and all but they were the people in power and we want to have a big winner. I do wonder if danny's win and productions view of it helps contribute to the final three which is coming up in just two seasons. Where danny can win up against stephanie. When it's basically contrasted against the person who was an unlikable person who nobody was going to vote for anyway. Had this been a final. Three of rafe and danny and staff. I'm not sure necessarily like how that ultimately plays out. I think that that's actually a really vote. Between stephanie ultimately mike zero votes because she only gets me. I think she's getting a vote. So i think it would come down to rape vs danny and then from there. I think it's a matter of ken. Raith with steph dozen this final tribal council and like people to tell the people that he backstabbed. Hey this is why. I did it and i apologize for doing it. It's a great question. Because i think when we talk about the onus of the final three it usually comes back to panama sirri goes out of final. Four cherry goes out of final three. That would have been the best final to create a way so that these bigger players can can make it. I wonder you know who was who was production hoping to win in survivor. Guatemala was it rafe. It's such an odd cast and such an odd season that i do wonder who they're rooting interest. What's i don't. I don't know that it was raved. To be honest. I mean they clearly again the call they make it the final three immunity challenge is is is a call that they made. I have to imagine that they wanted to win. Then when she didn't they were like all right. Sorry but we're gonna we're gonna help bury you here because he didn't win but i have to imagine at the time. They wanted her to win because if she had one i guarantee you that would have been a different at it and that would have been a different staff reaction. Does that affect as well. The way that these mixes are cast moving forward right like. I do wonder if the fact that stephanie loses so badly here maybe dole's players to the idea of okay. Maybe a returning player you know. They definitely won't win the season against these new players so we can do it more often and then we end up this whole string of things right where poverty wins and then boston rob's going to win coach loses but then you know you're eating at all this proliferation returning players in the finals. If stephanie winds here the producers tickets step back and go. This concept is a little broken. I'm glad we tried it but let's never do it again. It really is comes down to just like thinking about this like fourth dimension. Stephanie wins and his beloved even more seventy becomes like the like the biggest phenomenon that the show is ever had where it's like. She played back to back and then she came back in one and people are like. Are we trying to find the next stephanie. Stephanie playing third time big they lean into it so this there's a question from here who was tarrant specifically as an expert of the legacy watch. What does revisiting guatemala impact. Your view of danny as a winner or do you think that winners at war did significant damage to her legacy. I'm a huge fan of danny. Thought she got a real raw deal. Edit in winters at war. I will say i do think the dance legacy took a hit in winners at war. It certainly did with me. I think it probably did with me more so than it did with the general audience. That's because i felt very highly about. Danny i really. I remembered her stealth bomber line. I remembered her. Beat the radar line and i thought that was clever. Going back and watching it a. I have doubts doubts about the idea. That issue is hiding all of this extra strategy from the producers because what was the extra strategy is my biggest question. It's not like there was anything super complicated going on behind the scenes we we saw basically what was going on and when she was doing moo when she was making moves she was telling the cameras. All i need to convince rafe. The judge is going him. I need to do this over here because this is what's happening. I need to find the cracks. Here's cracks and that was pretty descriptive. And if she was hiding those things then why was she saying then. So you know for me. I definitely. I'm not as odd by the legend of danny. That used to be in my head. I still really appreciate what she did. I think it takes a lot to remain calm and to make those relationships and identify what needs to be done and you know. She had to get lucky with the competitions. She had to get lucky with the conditions but she played it as well as she could have given those circumstances and i really respect that In terms of her legacy again not as high as a as as it used to be for me but But i still i still like her as a winner and i still love the season. Yup i think we come back to the question. That jeff s gary at the reunion. Gary is danny underrated. I think the correct answer is maybe. Now maybe maybe. Now i think maybe overrated going into winners of war giving her which. I'm sure she's going to talk about with you. Rob because i know that she has certainly not said that the way that her her personification of her boot on winners at war was probably a miss. Edit in terms of what actually happened people are now getting her game now. I think we can say at this point. In two thousand twenty one is underrated but maybe at the beginning of twenty twenty. She might be a bit overrated. Considering how much power she actually had in the game yeah. I think that's definitely fair. And and i think that you know. I think that just because the at it was a certain way when i do think that people overreacted to that so i think you're completely right. I think we've probably missed the middle ground. Which is Probably where it should be okay. That's the right radar casey. H says do you think that watching Palau and then watching guatemala immediately. After could help this season's overall ranking. It does feel like a bit of a sequel. Think again that's part of what it's like survivor. Guatemala is almost like the straight to dvd sequel of disney dvd into from the makers of survivor. Palau it's survivor. Guatemala maya on higher. We did all the original voices. But stephanie bobby johner back exactly so animals psychics. Here's a monkey and a dead chicken broth. Yeah okay how about this from erica. L. season change of stephanie. And bobbi john we're on the opposite starting tribes. I still feel like again. Because the starting tribes didn't really matter starting tribes. I think the question is more. So what if they end up on opposite Post swap truck is again. I think i think pre swap both number gonna stay. I think there were both regard as hard working. And they'll bring it was essentially going to get rid of them or weakness. I think post swap is interesting. Because would stephanie. Then what she then be in the minority like who spot to stay or is it her gary brian and amy in the majority try. Yeah so i think that. That's probably bad. News for danny and blake and brandon when they switch over there. I think it's also bad. News for bobby john who i think. Then i think i'd probably like Seats and power to margaret over there and also he's going to be on a try but jamie and that's not going to be good news but maybe on the saints right bonded earlier that could have bonded earlier. Yeah okay how about. Jake says cindy gives up. The car does change your game at all or she always gonna finish fifth. Yeah we talked about this before she was always gonna finish fifth. It's just a matter of whether or not she walks with a car or not. I think says oh yeah exactly rape says all i what i really want to vote cindy out. If she gave me a car. Yes you would have rape. You'd feel bad about about the end of the day. I think you've convinced yourself that. Getting rid of cindy here is the right move so i think cindy really had no place in the end with that ironclad final three alliance unless she wins out so damned if you do damned if you don't let's talk quickly about Who should have played again Whether or not they will who should have played again Mike you look like you're your eyes. Lit up well. It's a whole. I feel like there's a whole list of people again. I feel like this is a very very strong cast from pre merged post merge of people that i would have really liked to see play again at some point that a tough thing is like do you want to see them come back now is maybe another type of question like i would love to see judd come back. I don't know if i wanna see judd comeback for survivor in the forties. Yeah he was in the mix. I know at a various points. I think that most notably i think the closest he ever got was that he was in the mix for the blood versus water him and his twin. Bud i think it was probably going to be with his wife. Okay because they missed opportunity. Where would was it. Was that like the rupert spot. Because like that's a no brainer. Because i think. I know that cindy and mindy were also in contacts for blood versus water as well so i don't know if they were going for twin theme i mean judd is just such an such an incredible character. The one thing is the rumor is that production did not have a good time dealing with him. You can imagine. I think given the way that judd behaves what we love about him may not be lovable from a production perspective. So i can understand it. Maybe they feel like he's sort of a troubled case to work with. I don't want to necessarily do that. But you're damn liar man. Why would you say that man. Damn i would love to see judd at come back especially when You know they were proliferate with alcohol rewards in those seasons of survivor to have judd comeback start beers and like join carl dro- and some other alec. Tom buchanan just for the survivor. Drinking club Okay yeah was rafe. Ever asked to come back. I don't believe so honestly. I think it's because if you look at the big characters from the season i don't think race necessarily regard that highly. I feel like if you're going again like we talked about with brian that archetype right of the young nerdy strategic superfan. At this point we are like overloaded with those types of people that we can bring back for returning. So i think unfortunately rafer sort of missed his chance and i think now he can come back as the like mike white right like insure wheel of time of. We're not gary hogabog boom. He ever got any looks after this. I love it. I would love a season. Actually if we had the former survivor athletes on. Maybe maybe throw in not only the former survivor athletes but also like heidi hammel to hamill's husband. Stephanie's husband athletes related to survivor. Because i really do think if we're tearing athletes who have played survivor from a character perspective jerry. Hogabog might be number one. Like he's the he's the alpha from the very first one and he might be top is he's the best player. He's definitely the best player i think. Yeah i think that. If you're talking about players i think he's definitely up there with brad culpepper if you're talking characters i think it's him and jeff kent gary makes them merge in the majority. I mean he's definitely a front on her win right like people like them on. The gary is incredibly underrated player. In my town. I know i know we like to talk about lol. Gary hawkins couldn't couldn't keep alive stuff but he was actually playing a really strong game. He was able for that one round to convince stephan race to come over to his side like if he had momentum going he could have done a really good work in this game so happens that his threat level caught up with him too much to the final senate. Yeah my favorite part about gary. Returning is that his openings montage. I came back i played in guatemala and in some people were able to recognize me but this time. Nobody will know that i was Former nfl quarterback this time. I'll definitely fly radar. I say is that he's gonna come back in a new player season. Like are you. Gary hogan boom from survivor. No i'm i'm a landscaper. Told him i was a landscape. I didn't have to tell them what i was. Fifteen years ago wasn't nelson. You can ask them actually. We're on the the fifteen year anniversary and gary being a survivor player. So stay like he didn't live up. Oh i'm not gary hogan or gary hawkins. I'm gary hughes that's me. I'm a horse breeder if anything about husbandry. I'm here so let's get into our survey results for this season every week. We polled the audience. And ask them what. They're thinking about the season that we re watch. Okay who's the season's end the p. This is a really tough one. because again it's such an ensemble of a cast. I like if there's no adjective connotation to it. I would say stephanie. But again like because of the editor gets does that discourage anyone from voting her the. Mvp for me. it's judd. Judd is in third stephanus in second rafe. Mvp forty-three percent Twenty five percent for strategic crowd. I think it would make sense. They go for it. Because i think that i think is the player of the season. I think basically all the moves that go on in the post merge it makes sense that despite him getting this odd edits that he's still gets the mvp award strategically rave is the mvp. Vermeille judge is the overall. Okay what one time player. We'd like to see come back and play in a future season. I think again. We're going with hyper strategic. I think i'm gonna pick from the pre emerge. Brian corden ends up being number one here. I wanted brian to come back for so long. And i as far as i know he's still wants to. I think very much. So he he expressed displeasure in this being the twenty seventh best season in the rankings on twitter rightfully so okay. I which one time player the audience vote for. This could be rafe again. Chew raper bryant right. Yeah i would imagine competing for the same spot again yes. Rafe is number. One forty one percent of judges to with twenty two percent Bryan third thirteen percent. Okay this is my favorite question. What name on the list made you think there's a way who's that I think if people remembered morgan's profession more she would be in this conversation but like again going going with their theory of second boots. Robin might be morgan. I would i would guess is brianna jim or which you guess i i'll go i'll go brannagh. Reality is right. The first boots third people remember the first booth. It's rarely the first second. Third booed is where people forget breanna. More morgan is. Morgan is another name in survivor. So like even. If you don't remember morgan zoo other services but there was a pirate by the name of henry brianna. Then she'd be remembered more than exactly okay so it goes brianna. Thirty percent morgan. Twenty seven percent broad struck twenty six percent. I told you then. Nothing yeah okay. Then who's the most underrated player this season. So we just said gary but the question is that the audience say the same thing. It might be cindy. I feel like cindy's and under the radar like fave from the season. So let me let me go. Let me go off the books off the radar. I'm gonna guess. Danny danny is number. Two eighteen percents number one is rafe. Twenty four percent and underrated. Look people. think you should've come back. Maybe and gary helga boom fourteen percent. Cindy not in the top. Three all right. The kelly win worth award for. Best pre merged boot. So this is. This is brian. Though i feel like i hope it's competitive with amy because i really do feel like amy is an incredible pre merge characters. Brian is number one. Fifty eight percent now with twenty nine percents and the jordan kayla. She joke vote. Coming in five percent for blake tells. Louis wow but brian. Getting twice as many votes old boy with his third place. Vote is putting in the work. Brian card make it known that he you know was was robbed at this chance and so hopefully he does get one day. Okay out of the forty seasons. We asked people to rate from one to forty. Where does danny land as a winner. I'm going to say i'm gonna actually. I'm going to go with the number. That this podcast. I'm going to say twenty seven. I feel like it's definitely in the bottom third. But i feel like gerson definitive people that fill out the bottom there from player rankings. And he's close but maybe not necessarily there. Yeah i'll go. I'll go with. Around thirty thirtieth thirtieth mike hit on the head twenty-seven the tabulated kirk clark has been ranking these that puts danny at the eleventh best win out of the fourteenth seasons that we've watched she is just above bendery bergen fabio and chris underwood and she is right underneath a mike holloway. Oh interesting just talked about. How disparate their games were in terms of underdogs working their way in this season. Too high too low or just right to low. Yes forty four percents ed. Too low of what season is coming up next in the rankings. Okay so i mean listen. I wanted to be survivor all stars. But we can't have nice things so i don't think it's survivor all stars. I am. I am waiting for the day for it to happen again. I still say that the season is below it up. But that's neither here nor there so the question is do we continue with some of the more quote unquote like forgotten seasons and you throw in like a panama. Men has more forgot like has some love behind but not nearly as much love as as a bunch of these other seasons. Org you go with something like google or samoa were some people really. Don't like it but some people absolutely love it and in the middle. Yeah yeah. I was thinking. I was thinking panama. I feel like i feel like samoa. And 'gabon both have too many people that like the love them. Okay i'll tell you the audience said bomb. That's the audience. Prediction Thirty seven percent of the audience said that they think it will be good bone. Okay i can tell you that next week. We have coming up for you. The audience knows its own. Fiber own is coming up next week next wednesday. I will be with maggie morgan and phil thompson. We will post that wednesday night because Taryn we'll be back alive with big brother now taryn. I know where you're kind of close to a big brother. You want to let us know what you have coming up just in case. Were kind of to close if you need to drop off. Yes well tonight. The episode going to start in about thirteen minutes. So i'm going to be Watching that and we'll be doing the podcast right after we'll be talking about. It's going to be big episode here. Big big big moves guy moves happening tomorrow morning. I will be live at eleven. Am eastern to update you on every happened today on the feeds. Although you should check out this morning's if you want to talk about today one more caring reenactments like you've got up the judd conversation episode. You can tune in for that the dream a mashup scenario would be spicy meeting judd. Put them in a like just like when you when you say one of you lied. Figure it out like date would be no blood left. Yeah so then tomorrow night. Of course double fiction so we'll be live after the wgn. Lots of great stuff there with with big brother. And on saturday circle coverage the finale will have aired and we will talk about the ending of the circle. Uk season three. So lots of fun stuff. Okay all right. Let me tell you about where things are in my rankings. Last week i forgot. I thought that survivor fiji was the third best season i had watched in the twenty twenty one. I can tell you that survivor guatemala. I will say was the new number one season. Watch or twenty twenty one. I had it now ahead of go. Styling i feel happy i. I was really hoping that would be the case again. I know that this is a forgotten season. But one that i really love. I think there's a lot of enjoyment to be ascertained from it. So i'm glad you rob. I mean i've enjoyed it in survivor. The i just feel like is survivor. Guatemala the kind of thing where like the food that you eat and then thirty minutes later. You're hungry again. I just feel like. I can't get it to stick with me. I enjoy it. When i watch it but then i do tend to forget about for me. You kind of had to be there. Like i get holds a place in my heart because of because like when it aired it was one of eleven seasons and now there are so many survivors seasons and it really does kinda get lost. And there's there's just like it's kind of been outpaced in every area but the very unique things it holds and you. When i go back to watch it now Yeah the lack of strategy is is is is kind of lame and it doesn't necessarily hold up as much as it did when i watched. It seem so exciting impression. An interesting and brutal and those things. Don't age as well. I think is interesting strategy but for me at least that that nostalgia that i have or it and the those unique unique aspects characters in the moments that the characters have will forever hold a place in my heart. Okay this is. This is not a strategy season this personality season and that has in spades In my rankings. Have guatemala at number fifteen like i think. This is a solid b. b. plus season. It is not an alzheimer but season. That i always go back to. And i'm like remember guatemala. Rumored judd freaking out about margaret saying he had. Add interrupting her. Remember jamie and bobby john bumping chests in the middle of a challenge and nearly knocking each other out there so many fun moments packed in here. It's almost a microcosm of the teen era of survivor. Which i have a lot of a lot of love for. Because that's when i really sort of like came into more understanding with survivor where there's a lot of weirdness going on survivors going to introduce so much but there still is heart in there with characters and moves being figured out a final two still exists so i feel like guatemala is a fun representation of that era and i certainly have a lot of love for especially even getting to to re watch it now just watching these personalities interact on the mayan pyramids is something i have had and will immensely enjoy from here on out. Okay well this was so much fun to go through with the two of you here today. I hope everybody enjoyed hearing this one. let me just tell you about what's coming up danny boat right. Good to talk to her. Get that talking with bird going and we will hear Danny's thoughts on smart guatemala of course Winners at war Whatever else with t. Bird coming up this weekend on talking with t. bird i if you missed it last night. It was the patron five for five number. Two hundred where nicole and i got together. We put it in the main feed for the patrons you got to see the video of everything that we did the live show. We posted it to youtube for patrons only If you're interested in that sort of thing rob's website dot com slash patron but everybody can hear the two hundred episode of the patron five for five with nicole sister. No of course. I ninety day fiance's was back This week if you like ranting. Rob check out this week's edition of ninety day fiance's where i talked about the a poor excuse for an episode. That ninety day fiance's tried to pass off this week about that. Yes of course all things Big brother canada live tonight for the wednesday night show and then even more coming your way on thursday as well with the live feed update and then also the eviction show will be talking tough as nails. Mike yeah i know team challenge is probably gonna show. We are rounding bend on that. We are putting the roof on that house to episodes left and things are tied for a piece. They're going to war like the. Maya are but hopefully no hedge role. There's been enough injury going on and toughest nails this season. They can't afford it. Sure sure nobody ripped their bicep. Okay of course everything going on patriot. Family feud coming up on Friday i've told you about this survivor. Guatemala feedback show with the three amigos kayla robertson fishermen coming up this weekend as well. I believe that's going to be on sunday This weekend and of course More patron five for five next week. We'll do our facebook friday much more. I have our patron orientated. At the end of the month the last tuesday of the month want to say hello to all the new patrons at robins website dot com slash patron. And of course. If you're watching the youtube video hit that subscribe button and hit that dell to be notified whenever we're going live with whether it's live feed updates or survivor countdowns or whatever else. Check that out over our youtube channel. Robbins website dot com slash youtube. And of course you could follow us on social media to get more clips from the show. All right mike. What are you coming up. Should we start or end with the survivor. Adjacent things. What are you. What do you think is a better start with survivor. Okay let's let's start with survivor survivor. South africa our coverage of season. five just wrapped. I know shannon did a couple of deep dives with the finalists. I have to deep dives coming. As well with fifth-placed gerbils will not disclose their identities. But they are very fun interviews and we're actually gearing up for in the coming weeks survivor. South africa season eight is on the horizon brand new season of survivor and so myself and shannon guscott the opportunity to send him some questions for preseason interviews for the intestines. So the way it's gonna work is basically when the caskets revealed we're going to be releasing a bunch of podcasts. Where we're gonna play our interviews talk through these twenty players finally get some new faces going survivor. It is incredibly exciting so if you are jonesing for survivor content that is not fifteen years old There is some new survivor content. Of course on the horizon. And then. Of course i have the outwit. Outplay outlast series. Always going strong and then when it comes to reality. tv stuff. Rob you mentioned toughest which we are running out the coverage on In terms of other reality tv stuff. I'm doing some writing over at parade dot com. I'm doing exit. Press for the new season of top chef and breaking news are happening now believe. I just got confirmation about this. I'm going to be doing exit. Press for this season the circle. Us whoa premiering next week. So certainly going to be very fun time. I can't wait to listen to those podcast. And if you want to hear some extra stuff i'm going to be talking with these lovely cat fisher's then i'm sure literally lydia would love to fish for over the course of the next few weeks and then overrun poacher. Recap of course. We have a bevy of things going on between loss down the hatch between the bloom files which is an x. Files podcast where my wife is seen every episode. And i have seen bupkus and we talk about it. Uncovering covering falcon and the winter soldier which is also reaching. Its back half. And then some other random michigan and the the patron feet. I played dungeons and dragons. Where i got to play with the character that had been created for me that i didn't know about until i entered. The stream is very much like a big twist. Where here comes my character sending down from the pyramids. And i have to play with them so it was a very good time. I ask for his autograph after the show. Who's yeah so lot lots of stuff. I'm sure certainly more calm. I pimp it all out all out. Adding mike lynch type on all social media platforms all right. Well let's give taryn at least sixty seconds before big brother's canada's starts or anything else you wanna say now. I mean Excited for good bone next week. Gabon is. I used used the term before a train wreck seasons right ones. Where you really can't tell who's in power because everything just goes off the rails at a certain point go bone really is one of them in fact it might be like the chief engineer of the train wrecks. 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Ep.010 Ken Benson

"The Howard Stern broadcast on the east coast, so were three our time zone away. Rights were three hours earlier so at six in the morning. My phone starts ringing. I think that burst guy that called was Ken Lane. WHO's a record guy at Ariza? And says. Oh my God. A Howard Stern's talking about you. I'm like. I'm waking up. What do you mean he's talking about? He's talking about you. But what is he doing? Why is he talking? He's ripping you for the Jerry. Maguire. Really Goes Yeah Convention Program Director of. Portland Oregon has. Had this idea idea after viewing the movie and together with his Production Director, Matt Joan vendors to idiots sitting there, I know it exceeded match, yeah! I knew my dream was going to be A. Benz come President Dave John Dennis loves radio and all of his radio friends. Hey everybody because shotty loves everybody. WanNa welcome mentor of mine and someone that I met incredibly early in my radio career I. Think I was actually probably in radio for less than six months when I first met this man, and when I met him I was sent to the airport by my boss at the time Tracy Johnson I was working in San Diego at Kevin Bfm Star one hundred point seven a hot, AC, station that I still just recall with such fun. Memories in Tracy said Hey. Can you go to the airport to pick up Ken Bentsen? And at that point? Whatever Tracy wanted of course I was going to do it. And I said no problem. This is way before Ruber I guess you could have called a taxi, but I was the taxi so i. go down in my Jalopy to go pick up Ken Bentsen from the airport. And Ken was just crushing it in his career. He just taking the position at MTV which we're GONNA, get to in a minute and I remember picking them up in the from the airport and my hands are shaking on the steering wheel because I was so nervous because. Because you're this famous programmer on his way to New York to go program. MTV is sitting next to me and my piece of Shit car and drove him back to the radio station, and that was my very first time meeting Ken and I'd like to welcome him a to the podcasts can thanks for joining US thank yous great to be here and My recollection of the drive was maybe a little bit different, or at least my hands were shaking for a completely different reason. Rent a wreck. I don't remember what kind of car was, but it wasn't a good. It was a Mitsubishi. And I'm glad we made sued the radio station that afternoon and the funny part about that is is obviously we had never met before, and hadn't seen each other for a long long time, and you reminded me one day that once you're the Big Ben's town. Exact that you're the guy that actually pick-me-up. and. At that point I. was just some promotions assistant like who cares. Like an insurance or something but At one point I was answering the phones. That's exactly right. WHO's was answering the phones for Michael Steele well, let me give a bit of an introduction before we get into it anymore. I'd like to welcome Ken Benson. He's currently the president and founder of P., one research but prior to that. He led Pinnacle Media International He brought up. was part of the Innovative Jack. FM brand in helped innovate that the UK and here in the US. US he's a multi award winning HR programmer He's also been a VP of music programming for MTV and executive for Chancellor and am FM and citadel over two hundred and fifty radio stations your awards man, you must have a gigantic trophy case, but ninety five ninety seven ninety eight program director of the year from Gavin, a ninety seven. He was the program director of the year on Friday morning from Friday morning quarterback FM Qb. the ninety four. Ninety Eight Z. One hundred in Portland was the station of the year under his tutelage, and he was also the six time nominee to program is the program director and station of the year awards for Billboard magazine two time nominee for any be crystal in Marconi awards and also named one of the twenty five most influential C. H. Program director of all time. As well as my God and I forgot about this, this was such he was a won the grand prize back in ninety eight. Now is back when you could win a car, right? It was you either won the grand prize was thirty thousand cash. or Mercedes. Oh My, what did you take well? We had recently moved to new. York I was working at MTV and. Buried newly married at the time. So my wife thought thought, we should take the money. To furnish our place. which was right, call? We're living in Manhattan. At that point. You can have a brand new convertible Mercedes and some garage somewhere has not gonNA work out. So? Wow, that's an incredible. What a great prize! I must have been really exciting when you got that was something. You are expecting I. Forget exactly how that that's when you pick all the records. Right right were air for many years was competition for CHR programmers that. You'd listen to anywhere from probably two to five new releases a week. And you'd have to like predetermined in advance if it's GONNA be top ten record top twenty, five top forty. No charter even think maybe number one. And you get points over this twelve. We created based on how well you guess going into it, so I'd finished in the top ten in number times never thought I'd win the car, so it was quite a surprise when they called me and told me that I one. was basically trying to pick. It's in throughout where they place, which is a lot more than whether or not. The song is good as you know as a programmer. There's so many other factors that go into whether song. Gets to a certain point on the chart, but. Sure. Interesting, so you've always had an ear, and it's kind of fascinating how you've evolved, and we'll get into this morning a little bit, but from programming and being a phenomenal programmer, and then into research, so you obviously knew a lot about music, and had a good sense of the of the research aspect early on in your career. Chachi I would say. You know he's never music director. Actually I went from like an on Air Guy Promotion. Guy Writes a PD. So I went right over that so honestly I, don't think I had a great year for picking the hits at first but. I trained my ear overtime and believe it or not I think the air competition also really helped me. figure out you know not just whether the song is good, but. What promotional efforts are going to be by the record company? What's the commitment to making this happen? That's a whole nother thing you need to consider before record goes on the radio. That's a great point. I hadn't thought about that in, so you not only had to have an idea of sonically was a song hit, but did they have the marketing muscle behind it the Promo team behind it the. Right tour behind it and so forth fascinating. Well. Let's get to the early part of your career, and then we'll kind of take this chronologically. You I got excited and into radio as a young kid because your dad gave you a transistor radio. Your my dad. Still to this day loves audio always had. The best audio equipment in her house of anybody I knew by our. but I remember one day I was about five years old. He now were shopping, and where the shop and he bought me a five dollar, a transistor radio, a little black radio, the size of a Walkman and it came with a little white cord with one earpiece. And I grew up in New York on Long Island. My Dad worked in Manhattan so I listened to two things based on that Radio New York. Yankee Games. And WABC which at the time was the biggest station in the United States in an exciting station in the seventies and I think those two things got me hooked on radio. And so are the Yankees in the seventies to that's back when they had Reggie Jackson and Dave winfield and players like that right. Yeah, the seventy seven and seventy eight champs I've got the hat. Wasn't exciting time. You've got your transistor radio listening to World Series Games and WABC in got you hooked. Pretty much. Pretty much I loved radio, and then of course anytime are in the car radio was on and I just listened to radio all the time. I love the music, I, just loved the energy and the excitement. So, it was just fun. and. It just seemed like something. I think a lot of kids back then whether they got radio, not I mean. The the radio in the music was a good friend of yours. And, then you go to school high school and they happen to have a radio station there. Yes I. Go to High School in ninth. Grade and they have a club date where you kind of walk around the gym and see what all the different clubs are available in school. And I stumble upon its able, that says eighty eight point five WP. And it turned out completely unbeknownst to me in the basement of the school. There was a ten Watt FM radio station. So of course, I signed up for that club and. Spent a Lotta time down in that basement throughout high school learning and playing radio, and it was an amazing experience, and gave me such a leg up on so many people said experience. It's such a very early age. Is this something. Your parents are supportive of at this point or they see day. Did you know this is like what you wanted to do with your career? Or you're still just doing? This Moore's kind of a fun a hobby. I think within the first year. I pretty much knew what I wanted to do and I wanted to do this. there only two things I wanNA do my life. One was to fly airplanes. And it's. was to work in radio. And once I got this hands on experience and again it was you were doing great things, but we're all learning and having fun and. In fact, the late HARV Allen was the year ahead of me in high school. And so he and I became really. Great Buds spent a lot of time together at the high. School radio station. And Ben. I think it was probably when I was in grade ten. He was a year ahead yet. His driver's license, so we bay Dan Interning at Wbz B.. which was probably about ten mile drive and most days after school we. Get his jalopy. I drive to Babylon to the radio station in do whatever they wanted us to do. What was that feeling now? Graduating from a a small student run station in the basement to now actually working at a real radio station. I would imagine where you thrilled. was working was hearing. But it was a thrill was an absolute thriller. Go in there, and just we're willing to do anything taking requests for the night show we did call out out of the phone book where you'd actually sit in a room and go through the white pages and randomly call people play hoax down the line. I was not old enough to go to bars or clubs, but that was a big part of the business. Baby was rock station. and. Since I wasn't on the club what I did as I stood in a parking lot and put stickers on people's cars. While you are on the street. What I think that was one of the great things about Buckman. Was the program director and morning guy? At that time. And I think one of the great things about working on Long Island is. You've got all the new. York City signals beaming in their long island to itself at the time. It's a smaller market now, Casse, other markets have added more population but the. The Nassau Suffolk County market was ranked. I think around number eleven twelve, so it was a really big market. But it was a big market without some of the major tools. We didn't have our own television stations right. All the television was out of New York. You were competing directly with WB L. J. IN WWF. and. That was amazing, but you know we had just a fraction of the resources so since we couldn't advertise on TV because he couldn't afford to Buy New York television, and you don't to waste it in New York City and Connecticut New Jersey. Where we didn't cover Bob Strategy was really all about in the clubs being on the streets being the beaches. So. Those lessons became really helpful to me later on because. We all know radios always had limited resources when it comes to marketing and promotion. Only the biggest of stations back in the day had money for a lot of television. you know maybe the easy man's weight at the top, so we actually went out there and worked it, and had you know you small budgets and make big things happen and under Bob's leadership. That station was very successful. I've always looked at US having a brilliant marketing mind as well I mean obviously a phenomenal programmer and researcher, but some of the promotional work that you did at Z. One hundred and particular was just amazing and I looking forward to talking about it a bit more, but it's interesting that early on you already had a taste of research doing call out you had A. A taste of promotions, but bumper stickers on people's cars, and understanding the importance of that guerrilla type marketing which I think is probably more relevant today than ever has been as everyone's budgets have been cut so dramatically from marketing standpoint, and you've also been involved just sonically because your father. It sounds like an audio file, so it's interesting how those things really of shaped your career. That's true. Although my dad wasn't too keen on me a going into radio. He was not, what did he do know? My Dad worked at the JC Penney headquarters in Manhattan. And as I got in high school had many different positions there, but he. became one of their heads of recruiting. And recruited a lot of college people into the company. And he met a lot of college. People with communications, agrees. That either never worked in the industry or maybe work for a very short time in a very small market and made no money. And and then decided they wanted to get a real job, so he didn't think it was going to work out very well for me and really tried to steer me other ways. I and I think perhaps that was a good thing because. Not only did. I Love Radio but I wanted to prove him wrong. Like I wanted. Me I wanted to know that I could be successful if I set my mind to it and knock on wood. Been Pretty Fortunate. So when you went to the State University of New York at Plattsburgh, was he in in? You studied communications That was not really with his support. You know I think that time he want you know he was willing to support me. I also chose a state school because my dad said if you go to a state school, I'll pay for it all. Goes if you want to go and try. To help out and I knew enough about radio that point I figured when I got out of school wouldn't be making much money, so the last thing I wanted was debt. So. That's why it shows that route. But appears to have worked out really well for you and you've got to study abroad by the way a little background. We call Ken in Italy. Are Myself and My partner Andy. WE REFER TO KENNEDY'S MR worldwide because Ken. Now is not a good example. This is one of the rare times can is home due to covid nineteen but Ken spends a tremendous amount of time on the road, and has international clients all over the world, and so we run into can in very exotic places, and so hence the name Mr Worldwide, but it seems like you had a taste for travel early on because you went and studied abroad, an London England Tell me about that. Did you study communications there? I did actually was a program through the State University of New York system. Where went to London for the semester? And was actually a media program was a small amount of students maybe around twenty. So, we had up some media classes. We all said at British history class. But, it was very interesting. My not clearly things new K., A. in radio has evolved so much differently the BBC Still has about half the listening to the UK, but you think about London, which is a massive city I don't today. It's around twelve million people in the metro. Area Back in. The mid eighties when I was there. There was a total of seven stations in London. That's it. That's it. In. Former BBC nationals was a BBC local. There was capital radio and I can't remember the other one. There's hardly any radio So that in itself was remarkable. Coming from your where you go up and down the dial their stations everywhere. Sure. When you were there in studying, did you get to Internet stations in the UK I did not. That wasn't really part of the program. We had a full schedule I had to do A. Thesis, at the end of it and I did one I kind of made up the the angle, which was the BBC's. Impact on commercial radio. And I met a lot of great people at at BBC. Laced like capital Radio, the American guy who ran laser, five, five eight, which was a pirate ship out in the English Channel. You know? What he was doing was illegal. Like so he's an American living in London. He's got the ship stationed out in the channel, so he was pretty fearful about who he talked to who he met with. Because, it could have arrested or deported. So we the same. There was a move. There was a movie done about this correct? Is that was higher at job? Those Radio Caroline, which is the most famous one, and in fact, a friend of mine in another student. We actually had an opportunity to go on that ship on Sunday morning on a supply run because they occasionally do supply runs for the guys out. Bring food whatever they need. and to be completely honest. My Buddy went in I chickened out that morning. Because! I was afraid. You know, get arrested deported. Whatever I I didn't go. Pictures that he took. An unbelievable, so he went and took them food and different necessities well, he just went along for the boat. Ride right to go to. I forget how that all came together, but you know in hindsight I wish I'd done it, but I figured if I got kicked out of school in Verona the country. My parents are GONNA kill Major. Sure it could've ended your your career. Would you say a lot of what you you learned being in London and certainly from the BBC? Did! You apply that when you came back to the states and programmed. Well, I came back to the states had finished a semester. At plattsburgh before graduated. so I don't think I applied it right away, but it certainly opened my mind I mean if you ever listened to. Radio in Europe or other places or the BBC, or in even hearing pirate radio for the first time it opens your minds to to new and different ways in different approaches, people are using. So I think from that point of view. It was extremely helpful. In fact I could even remember later on. Z One hundred. Looking at the British playlists in know I could see early on like the backstreet boys had exploded in Europe and couldn't get arrested in the states at this point. spice girls were first in the UK. They came here some months later. So I would always watch those charts and try and pick what may frost over. Here wasn't always right, but those were always. The biggest acts of the nineties. So you, come back from the UK. And what's your first Gig when you're back? A couple of things. Throughout College Bob Hope and finally hired me to be a be. So, when I was home at Christmas, break and summertime I. do fill in on the radio station. which was a fantastic where you keeping in touch with him? When you were over in the UK absolutely in fact, he had done an internship when he was at Ithaca College at Capital Radio. So he was really. WanNa Jealous I was over there following in his footsteps to integrate. Sounds like he was a mentor to you. I hadn't seen Bob for many years and ran into the worldwide radio summit maybe seven eight years ago at the Bar, and I just had to go up to him and say Bob Listen you know. I just gotTA. Tell you there's so many the lessons I learned at. To your leadership. Have helped me in every step of my radio programming career. So thank you. But yeah, but we did it added DECEC-. We had no budgets. We had make things happen. And that was the wild thing about being on the air there even as a part timer. It's a major market I was getting paid four dollars and fifty cents an hour, which even back in minimum wage was three, thirty five and here I am on radio, so I wasn't making much more than the guide McDonald's. But it was such a rush to be on the air, because they can okay on on the air, one or two point three right next to us at one or two seven as any w iconic personalities making huge money sure on the adjacent frequency. And then of course field Jay, which was Iraq station. At that point, you know same thing on against people like Carol Miller and Patsy John and Jim Kerr and these icons. You know that. At the top of their game working in New York City in little, basically answer filling in for four dollars and fifty cents an hour. It was a rush and had been so. How did that come about so bob hires you back, you graduate, and you didn't turn to obviously earlier and you graduate and he was looking for someone to do some weekend in fill in work, and you put your your name in the hat I had to it imaginable. I had to a have to imagine that. A lot of people were still going for that GIG. With this happened a while I was in college. So when I came back from? From London in my final semester at school. In Burlington Vermont, which was right across the lake, from more went to school a a new CHR signed on called ninety five triple X.. A year prior and it blew up the market and had twenty-five shares, and it was just a really fun, exciting, top forty station, and prior to that really the two top forties in the market were automated I. Don't know if you remember what automated stations were I never heard one in New York because there wasn't any right. It was a big market. There were fully staffed radio stations sure in. PLATTSBURGH BURLINGTON market, which is about an hour south of Montreal? Thank God. We could hear some of the Montreal stations, even though some in French. To keep our sanity like at least. Ask Automated Stations. You'd walk into the building. There was this big machine with four reel to reels and cart machines, and everything was played off tape. Everything was recorded. There is no DJ's. This was not. Voice tracking. There'd be time checks in a car. It's three minutes past the hour. And occasionally might get back. Sell out a record, but. It was the worst radio ever heard in my life. So this station comes on and sleepy market and explodes, and it was great so I got back and I said You know what I love rock love. Rock Music I. Love Rock, but I want to be involved in CHR. So. Broad check over to the PD and. Got, hired to do part time. So I. Remember what I was making sure it was around the same range as long island, but it was a lot more difficult to get to. You. Either had a drive around the lake, which is about two hours to do your shift. Oh my gosh, in of course I was doing a weekend overnight or something. The ferries don't run overnight. So? That's my drive around, but if I took the theory across which would shave off about an hour. All the money I made would pay for the ferry. Free is doing out a lob. It was turning. Yeah, I was GONNA in Germany I got paid, but. The! The Day Necessary Brett. Literally the day after graduation. I, my parents had gone home today graduation the next day I was leaving my car loaded up, and I was three hundred and thirty five miles from hall, so it's not A. Short? Ways. I get home that night like six o'clock in my dad goes. Oh, the general manager of ninety five triple X. called you. Need to call him tonight. So I call him and he goes. We'd like to offer you a job. My great, he goes molly. You know, have the guardship school. I'm going to take it easy to summer work part time. It'd be great. He goes. We can offer you a fulltime job doing overnights. and. This is Monday night. Now he goes. You need to start Friday. And I'm like. US, why can you call me yesterday? First off? I was much closer with all my belongings. took the job. So. That was an incredibly short stint because you've only been doing the fill in for how long! My last probably January through May. So just shortly. Part time. Yeah, where they upset or they're pretty. HOW REBATE! No they were. They were totally cool. They aren't. They understood. Yeah, because I was coming back for the summer to do some bill and you know it wasn't you know. Wasn't that big a deal? So I took job, and now you've got doing yeah overnights. GotTa be you've gotTA. Be Thrilled now, 'cause you're what late teens early twenties and you've got your already. A FULL-TIME GIG on radio, which is pretty hard to come by at that age, right? So took the job I did overnights for few months, which was brutally difficult just asleep. Especially, it's summertime now right and. It was just it was hard and. then. We had a change in. We added ten P to two am. Quickly moved up to that. And I, was only there full time for a little over a year, and maybe about six months, and I moved to two six in the afternoon, it became a promotion radio station. Oh. No kidding, so that's a pretty big shift for you was promotion something that I know you'd obviously in turned and put some bumper stickers on cars, but were you interested in in promotions? I loved it all I would've done anything. Were you still on the air at this point or just doing promotions only. A small market of course I was on here. Okay, so you didn't lose your airship. Well, I know sometimes though you know coming off the air for people can be really dramatic. So I didn't know if that was something that you. You wanted to pursue promotions or this is something. Relied do both. Did both and then. What happened next? Again about a year or so later, the original owners that I went to work for a triple X. had sold the company, and they bought a station in the Albany New York area licensed to Saratoga. and. They're looking for a PD which I applied for. And I got the job. And I was twenty two years old like. This is great programmer in Saratoga. Does your father now have some more faith in this career path, or is he still kind pooh-pooh in the idea? Well, you know. I think he was still concerned about held little money I was making. Sure think what I. What I went to triple X. I was making two fifty week. Night PD hub I was making three hundred. Responsibly we're a brand new station. We were blown up the format kind of putting an AC station on the air and I didn't care. I wanted to be the PD so. How did that feel? I mean now you're the captain of the ship. added feel. I felt great. Really I mean it was kind of the dream was like the first step into the dream of being a PD as you know. Getting that first shot is so difficult. And I got it at a very young age I thought I knew quite a bit obviously over time. I didn't know that much. But it was a lot of fun and I did that for a couple years. Did you take to leadership pretty naturally, or was that something that Bob and other people kind of helped you the way learn. Well I. Mean I think one of the biggest things I probably learned as manager. United I I would. I guess I thought. Everybody would see things the way I saw things right. And you learn pretty quickly. That's not the way it works out. You know. People have their own issues. Their own reasons for doing things that are on ways to get motivated and I think any manager. Nobody's a great leader the first day. It's with very few exceptions I can think of you. Guys were probably brilliant that I worked with, but for the most part think it's an acquired skill, and it really is a skill at that age. Were some of the veteran staff gone? This is ridiculous I mean twenty two year old PD. Did you get resistance? Not Really staff was fairly young. Morning Guy was the oldest guy he was probably I. Don't know fifteen years older than I was. But Now, we've we managed to meet. We got throws a new radio station. We were small station didn't have a lot of resources in a lot of money. But now it is when you first get into business I. Mean You just love it? Everyone just loved it and wanted to do it and. We have from. So where do you go from there? So a couple of years in I realized I WANNA get to take the next step if you remember the old radium records as they had one P., two P. three stations. In the Albany market, we didn't have a full market signal, so we were p nothing. We were Gavin reporter. which was which was fine and Dave show was great to us, but it was time to kind of move up the profile, and also I felt two years in ninety two. I need to grow I need to get to situation. That's a little better pursuers. So I took a job at W. T. H.. Time was FM. One zero three CHR in Portland Maine, so you've been both Portland's Portland Oregon and Portland Maine. Probably weren't at one of the few live and deliver both markets, but a beautiful beautiful market. Oh, great except in the winter. Ask shirts rough an excellent lobster. Of course, the thing is when I went to Z. One hundred Portland, the two finalists were myself and peak descente. Is Been Executive at Columbia records now for many years, but he and I. Both programmed FM one of three important main in. He was there right before me. Oh my gosh. I ride two guys. Programming reporting were the two finalists for the. What are the odds of that have to be relatively slim, so you're in Portland Maine and you're programming and other CHR station, and you've kind of finding this is your format your niche, even though you're a rock guy by heart, you've really found your way within NCHR and Tell me about Portland, Maine and program there. It was a it was fun it was we had another competitor, a g ninety eight, a direct competitor that was very good station. Harry Nelson. who was a big time DJ in Boston for many years? did some work at the radio station. So I mean it was. It was a great station in Portland. Maine is less than two hour drive from Boston up the coast so. You know who's a very good station are stationed. I used to go ahead. Are you still single at this time? Oh, yeah, I was like. Twenty four, twenty, five, twenty four. Yeah enjoying working at a CHR station and being single life, life was good married to radio right? Yeah, sure. So. Station sells. The new owners come in, and they tell us one day that Rick Sklar. The veteran iconic PD from WABC for so many years. The station that was my former station is now going to be our consultant. I was kind of excited IT I. you know, here's this legend I read his book rock in America grown up with the station I can learn from the sky. This is going to be incredible. And in many ways, it was fantastic. Rick at time was in his sixties. and. Mechanically conceptually lot learn a lot of big picture things from wreck. He admitted that he didn't know the music anymore and didn't attempt to. But is wife was his music directors. Wife never worked in radio station. Signed a deal with his wife. On what we're we're going to add. And what the library was going to be. and. We definitely odd didn't get along. In that regard for a couple, reasons We did our current space off the billboard cassette singles top thirty chart. Rick was all about sandals from his set singles. People were buying that many cassette singles anyway, and this is Howard grind music important. so that didn't feel right in the way. We do the goal in this way. Rick had done the gold. WABC. You take the billboard top one hundred chart for the past five years, and you put it all in. The one record that really bug me that we had to put in. was that dance if you remember that from Batman? Prince record when he came out, I completely remember. That was horrible, am I? Really like. Can't we use some judge here? This was a record for short window. When the movie was released, it was crap. You know playing now so. That didn't go over well. So you've now. This has gotta be tough. You're in your mid twenties and you've got this iconic certainly programmer now consultant and you guys aren't seeing eye-to-eye, and are you venting this to your management or is something you're internalizing? How are you handling that stress? Definitely internalizing it. At a call one day to interview for the Music Director and on air position at ninety nine point five of Fox in Detroit, which was rock CHR. Time it's late eighties. So here I am you know. Orlan is a much bigger market now than it was dangerous because they've added a lot of county sending now it's around the top one hundred markets so Detroit comes at that time is a top ten market like. I'm going for this interview share. So I fly out Detroit for the day I remember. It was a Monday rights. I missed work. and. I guess I'll spare some the details, but this new manager that was there basically said. If you ever see me in a red tie. Someone's going down. I knew? It was a tough, really tough New York I. This is the manager in Detroit. This is the manager in in Portland. Okay so, you went to Detroit, we went to Detroit interviewed, and now you're back in Portland I fly back that night. Gosh short the next morning. Go to the department him meeting. And the guys wearing a blue suit with red tie. Ask. What happened to me right after that meeting? Oh Way. So you you get popped by the guy in the GM, who's wearing his red tie and why he'd found out that Uganda Detroit interview or felt I wasn't committed to the cause here Mike, Listen. You know what? I'm totally committed 'cause, but you know top ten more calls. Check it out. Man that sounds on unfair knows. DETROIT, too. They never hired for the position after the interview. I think at that job I law. So where did you go then? Took a couple months off looking for GIG. Did you stay in Portland or you? Go Back to new? York to be with your parents? You know I I stayed in Portland for a bit and then my parents had moved to Dallas and I never really spent any time in Dallas so I decided to. Get out of the cold frigid winner in Portland Maine and spend a little time in Dallas. And then I got a call to interview for a job at W.. Qn, ninety three Q, which is one of the CHR in Toledo Ohio. And got the job. Now, you're Toledo. What's that like? You've been in the East Coast? You've been You know obviously New York. You've been in Portland I. You've been in upstate New York bounced around, but this is the first time in the Mid West. It's quite Funding! Some regards because my first cousins grew up in Toledo Ohio. And I recall as a kid going to visit them. and. Being from New, York you think everything's the best in the greatest in the biggest and go to Toledo. Laughed at made fun of that right now. All actually coming to live there in work in the city I made fun I I. Tell You the best thing about Toledo is. It's a a couple of our car ride I mean. Detroit's a little over an hour. Cleveland's to our since he's three hours in these four. CHICAGO'S FOUR TORONTO'S FOR SO It wasn't my favorite markets in, but it was very easy on the weekends to go to other places in sequel things. And, how long did you spend there? about a year and a half. And then from there you go to Omaha. went to Sweden eight. It is amazing. How many talented programmers have gone through Omaha and yourself Tracy Johnson was there Michael Steele was there Dan Kiley went through a Omaha I'm I. Know I'm missing missing others, but it seems like so many talented programmers have spent time in that city. This true in fact, if you think back to the early days of top forty and the stories about how it came about Ted stores watching juke boxes in Omaha people, putting money in in playing the same songs over and over. And then experimenting without on the Radio on quail in Omaha it. It's really the birthplace of CHR. Sure so really good point so. At and thought about that, but you're right because that is where that story comes from and originates from correct correct yeah. So, it was kind of honor to go through there, but being a guy that grow on the East Coast now in my second market in the mid. West and I'm like. What's Omaha going to be like an actually? I really loved the city on 'em. Dunston research there in recent years and got back in I. Love even more it's. It's a great city I think it's completely underrated and it's. It's a cool place I mean they've got to defend themselves a lot right because it's just kind of in the middle of the country, but it's a really great place to live. We had an amazing success there and just I think back I mean those are some of the best years in radio, not even years I was there not even a year, but some of the best times ever had radio was at sweet ninety eight. I have an affinity for Omaha happens to be. My father went to Creighton. School in Omaha my mom went to you. Know we work with the morning show. Todd and Tyler at zero in Omaha, a great all of obviously also were were Warren Buffet space, but a great town was sweet. Ninety eight can was that the station that had the hydraulic lift in the studio in would actually lift you up and I believe it was kind of like in a in a mall, setting and huge glass windows, so people that were passing by could see the DJ's actually doing their shows. It was the coolest building in studio I'd ever seen and worked in in my life The station was owned by a prominent local attorney. Who is also prince with Mr Buffet. And his wife was I. Recall was designer Mary Mitchell and she had great vision, so you gotta think they probably built the studio in the eighties. I'm there in the early nineties. You're kind of the MTV days. And was all building downtown Omaha. And there is two storefront studios. One was for the AM news. Talk Station the other side was for sweet ninety eight. And it really was kind of space. Age things you're right. There was a list that you got on drama clip. That would let you up like three or four feet up to the control. So if you drop something off the side of this lift, I mean it's four feet down. And I guess I I never saw pictures, but heard the stories when they originally did she have people dress up in space, suits and costumes. She really away Oh. Yeah that that piece was done when when I e. Atul, it, why and it was? It was like in a mall or off off of a sidewalk, so people could actually passersby could watch you. Do your do your show correct? You had like an audience outside the glass. Ryan Savvy now. It's the Chamber of Commerce. Operate out of that building was one of the best radio facilities ever. Michael I believe showed me pictures years ago, and he said one of the challenges was to. If you had to get down to go to the restroom, it took some time, so if you started a song and you had three and a half minutes to play the song, and in run to the bathroom, it took about thirty or forty six seconds for the hydraulic lift to go down to run to the bathroom, and then you had to run back took another thirty or forty seconds for the hydraulic lift to come up. At the time thinking carefully. You know I only did some part time. Fill in there so I i. don't remember that, but I'm sure that's true. So you spend less than a year in Omaha, and at that point is that when you got the call to go to Portland? Well yeah I mean I had no intention of spending so little time there. Because basically when I went there, the station was performing terribly here. Is this heritage CHR? Station had lost its luster, and was getting e pretty good by the competitor, which was actually directly across the street. So when we came in a Tracy Johnson, was the consultant so as the first time I connected with Tracy. He brought me an. And we were basically putting a new radio station on. We were hiring all new DJ's. Hired the morning guy from across the street because we identified for strategic study that he had a lot of potential that they probably didn't know, so we took him put him on a bigger platform. It probably do okay, which he did. the other thing I noticed one day we hired Tom Jerem from us. At cheesy OCCAS- Gay wbz okay at the time in Rockford Illinois, which was another kind of iconic CHR station in the Mid West. To be the APD and Music Director nyc Guy. And it seems so simple, but I remember, we were driving around one Sunday looking for apartments to rent, and we went to a couple of different places each fill out applications for own place. When you look at apartments, a lot of the managers tend to be younger women. That would be demo. Sweet. We Ninety Eight, so we'd felt these applications instead employer, we right Mitchell broadcasting cake. You Know How long you've been there. Twenty four hours right like a we. Got The same reaction at all three places they look at it and go Mitchell Broadcasting H, you take. What's that and the station had the moniker sweet ninety eight prior PD. Thought it was cool and a Lotta outside market didn't necessarily get sweet I thought it was a stupid name. But three times in row in that Sunday afternoon the response was Mitchell Broadcasting. K. Q. Q.. What stations that? And, say sweet ninety eight. Oh my God, I love sweet, Ninety Eight. So as we're driving back to the hotels or staying at is, we have got about a place to live. I said Tom Ago. We gotta change named, AC. And besides all the other change, we, we did a wholesale change to the radio station, and we were really good station I fell, but I think calling it. The people called it as simple as it is. Really helped us in the arbitron diaries at the time, and the station came rocketing back the first book. My recollection is something like eight six to a twelfth seven holy moly. Right in this is. To if you look back in History Nineteen ninety-two when hip hop started to get really big and mainstream CHR was getting killed sure. If. You've ever predicting its demise. At that point soon may be an you also had grunge to contend with at that point as well right I. Remember we played smells like Teen Spirit as occurred on the station at night. So anyhow. We come rocking back in. We're starting to get a lot of press because we're one of the only jars in the country. That's doing well. So, my phone started to ring a lot and I. Remember I had near view at WTI in Hartford. And the one at in Portland. And I flew out to both and I. Guess growing up in the East Coast West Coast was calling my name. Sure. In about six months I left took the job which I felt terrible about leaving Omaha, but at same point I had this personal goal. That was to be a major market by the time I was thirty and I think at a time. I was about to turn twenty seven. And I said you know I I gotta do. And that's amazing, Z one hundred. And, you left him in Omaha in a great spot. We did instead of doing. Right, we Tom Jordan to the program director and we hired Michael Steele before I left to be the music director guy. Oh so you're! You're the guy that I have to blame, so you've actually you're incredibly integral in my career. Because Michael is who brought me into the business, and I answered phones for him down in San Diego and he had come from. Where I'm guessing, he probably met Tracy and you will obviously you align away, so that's how that whole connection. I was never clear on that, so thank you for clarifying that and we found him working for Bob Lewis. In, rapid city South Dakota, so that was the Roma sure sure Bob's and other great Guy Really Bright Mind Yup definitely is. So you end up now in Portland. You've got to opportunities one in Hartford one in Portland you choose the West Coast and tell me about the situation in Portland. Who owns Is that J.? Time hones you. Became Jacor later was great American out of Cincinnati. which which owned she wanted to in Cincinnati. That was the only other CHR. We had siphoned that. It was pretty much a big rock company. We own stations like Reverend Detroit. And K PI in Denver and the big rockers in Tampa in Atlanta Columbus Kansas City. we were Jimmy Steele who became the PD that you WANNA to shortly out dry guy. We were kind of like. We were the two lone wolfs in this company of Rock Dogs. While Jimmy's had just a phenomenal career, he really is. He's guy. Really good guy very another very bright mind doing really well now in Chicago. So you officially migrate to Portland and you're twenty seven years old. You've accomplished your goal and you get to this You know the CHR station. How's it doing at the time when you inherit the? Inherit the reins. They had. Fired the PD. Again as I stated of CHR weren't doing very well, and it was really hard for stations, because the current music was either criss cross on one side or Nirvana and Pearl Jam on the other without much in the middle. So the format was really struggling. Musically so the station. rain-wise. It wasn't terrible. Probably wasn't what their expectations were what it used to be, but it wasn't terrible. And in the big in his escaping, you had a big morning show What was the gentleman's name? We did mornings on at the time. When I first got there, the main host was a guy named Billy Hayes. Now may be confused and it was Scott thrower who came from Rohwer and Philadelphia and then. When things started taking off, we hired Jon Murphy back. Who Was Jon? Murphy God's It yes. Yes, that's how. So I knew Johnny met John a few times. I met him through Rick Dees, and that's who so okay, so you get in see. What's the first thing that you do? What. Does everybody do right? They want to change things. Like anybody I thought. The music rotation system wasn't ride I didn't think music was right. Wanted to work on the presentation and the sound of the radio station. I mean all the things. PD's especially I think. Younger PD's wanted to. We just want to change things in. Put our mark on it. So. You know it really took a couple of years there before things got rolling I. mean the first couple years weren't easy. Sure Yeah I mean the first book was pretty good. The second book was not good, and I was really. Devastated and Kinda worried about my job. and. Top forty was in a pretty tough spot at that point. And, We had commissioned some research, and at the time most researchers for CHR they wanted to take the stations holiday say. Which I was reluctant to do. I didn't believe it was the right thing to do wasn't what the Bran had stood for? They want us to play a lot more goal older music. And now it's one thousand, nine, hundred four. which was the tenth anniversary of the radio station? So like now we can't do this, you know at the time. The superstars at the eighties and nineties in that type of positioning very big like no, we can't do that. Just it's not cool. It's not it's not what station is. We don't want to do this. So I came up with this concept. To include older music in the mix, and what I thought was a cool and clever way, so we started saying. Or positioning ourselves as a decade of hits. Z, one, hundred celebrating our tenth anniversary with a decade of its which gave us an excuse to play a record that Gary Brian would put on the station when he signed it on in nineteen, eighty four right opposes ran we playing old songs and mix. We put some land in a time when there wasn't a lot of music in your corner as well. And that's really bright. So we did that for about a year or so. We kind of note that on and music started to improve and. We made a change in the morning. Show like said we brought Jon Murphy back. He was the second worn guy at the radio station There's an amazing talented producer. named Dan Clark not the best on air talent, but the guy was genius and a great genius, and just thought bigger than life, and we just created some amazing content, not only on the morning show on the radio station. And I guess. I was terrible six years. The last three and a half years was really fond. The last two and a half years was absolutely amazed. You guys are absolutely firing on all cylinders, because this is when I get into the industry and I start hearing a lot about you in a everything that you guys are doing and I. Think you're really just looked upon as one of the best probably top five stations in the country in regards to performance and just creativity from a marketing standpoint, and then you blow up on a national exposure especially you. You do the Remix of the Bruce springsteen secret garden song that went along with Jerry Maguire, and this movie was was at ninety, six or ninety seven, when that movie came out Nah, probably ninety seven, maybe Cameron Crowe with the Renee, Zellweger and Tom Tom Cruise and This is still one soundtracks for gigantic and Bruce springsteen did secret garden, which was a smash and Phyllis in a little bit about how that came to be because this thing just exploded so. Growing up in New York I was a big springsteen fan. If you from New, York springsteen or Billy Joel Fan or both, certainly, at that time right there too big local icons. So. They sent the CD single out. Listen to it. I'd heard before I'm. Going to get played on the Radio One night I remember going to see the film with some of the DJ's and saw how the song was used in the film. Just had this idea about. Maybe, how do we? How can we get this record on the radio because I? Love Brusett no one's GonNa play it so this idea occurred to me. while. We get the drops from the movie. Maybe there's something we can do. Initially we just WANNA do. It is a morning show bit. taking record calls when day on Monday and I'm talking to John Boulos. And I can't remember. How came up, but he had some friends in the academy. That could get me the screening copy on VHS cassatt Jerry Maguire. So. He sends it to me. He's like you know you can't do anything with this, so we take it with my production guy who hadn't seen the movie and I. Go home and watch this with your wife. Here's my idea. Here's a song I want to kind of tell the story the film over this four minute song, so he comes in the next day is great movie. I got the clips. Just work on this. So He's the one that actually put together idea. I hear the finished thing and I'm like Oh man. This is really good and bring into my office in a bunch of sales, people right outside my office door and I say. Invited the women in the office said come on and I. Want you listening in and tell us what you think. This is in the afternoon like we were GonNa play the next morning. And they're in tears. Wow, like! Oh, my God is. This might really be something so the morning show plays it a couple times next morning in blows up so. My Music Director at the time Tommy Austin. Tells Jerry Blair about it and the next thing, Donnie owner, the president of Colombia's on the phones and Oh my God I just heard this. This is amazing. You guys got to get it to us. We're GonNa send this everywhere holy Moly, but it was really just an idea and something's due to be top o'clock in the morning show became the song that got played. You know in the US Canada the UK. Ireland, Australia all over the place. This becomes so gigantic that Howard stern gets a hold of it and actually poked fun at you and turned it into almost an hour long bid that he did with his cast of characters would when you heard about that. How did you feel well? Howard stern broadcast on the east coast, so were three hour time zone way right, so we're three hours earlier so at six in the morning. My phone starts ringing I think the first guy that called was Ken Lane. WHO's a record Guy Ariza. And says. Oh my God Howard Stern's talking about you. I'm like I'm waking up. What what do you mean he's talking about? He's talking about you. What is he doing? What is he talking about because he's ripping you for the Maguire? I like really goes. Yeah, so stern was on one of the rock stations in Portland. I call guys at the station I go. Hey, start taking off all because he's going to be talking about this. And Of course he did. We got the audio and they started playing clips of on our station, and we made some promos out of it, but yeah I mean. It blew my mind. An idea for morning show becomes this thing Howard. Stern's talking about nationwide on show to my knowledge, it was also the first song that people have put drops over to a make make more emotion, and certainly kind of I think paint the picture of the time I may have been done earlier, but it certainly was the first one that I had heard, and I've now heard that formulae done multiple times. In fact, we just did something very similar in borrowed your idea for everything that's going on with covid nineteen. So in my mind I've really credited you and your imaging director of the time of creating this genre because we've heard this. Happened after nine eleven, it's happened during the the Desert Storm. Different Times of crisis, of heard this come up in these songs I've always resonated with me and so I'm been very impressed of of that intuition that you had to do it. I don't know if we were I I. Don't know if anybody else. That's done it before. Certainly with a movie, I mean again. It was just a love. Bruce Springsteen, seeing the movie. Seeing this is perfect for targeting Tom. Cruise Renee Zellweger. How can we marry these to get something on the radio? That might provide an entertaining fit. That was really the premise what happened after? Took US completely off guard by totals incomplete surprise. It's nothing we ever intend to do. Our entire time it's one hundred was all about doing something that was great for the radio station. We didn't really know what happened afterwards didn't really matter because. One things I learned along the way with a couple of firings along the way, too is you don't want to keep your job. You need to have good rates. Assessed true I was obsessed good ratings. I wanted good ratings. I don't we just had bonds? And we took chances in had ideas and with them, and in many cases, the ideas became far bigger than we ever anticipated they. They would turn out in the first place. I WANNA play a little bit of a secret garden for you, and then let's follow that up with a piece of the Howard stern bit of him. You turn you apart because it is quite funny. See. Got Married. I said that when you stay. Don't you? Felt, say that lets you. Say if you want to. We. Convinced him program director of KRC Portland Oregon has. Had this idea idea after viewing the movie and together with his Production Director Matt Jones developed what has turned out to be something truly special? Just Imagine Matt Jones sitting in the production room, and this guy comes running in and says look I got this great idea. We gotta cut up clips from Jerry Maguire and put them to. Bruce Brings. And you're going Oh my boss such an angle. Close the CD of Bruce springsteen secret garden, which includes special drops drops. Special. Drops from the Academy Award. Nominated Movie Jerry Maguire. Now in quotes, when Matinee I finally sat down and heard the final knicks. It absolutely exceeded our expectations. This to idiots sitting there I know it exceeded match. I knew my dream was going to be. I could talk about Z. One hundred with you forever but we wouldn't be able to get past or get onto the rest of your career, but I know Tommy Austin. You brought him on there and he's gone on to have a tremendous career. you not only did some phenomenal promotions you. At the time I did something with Tonya Harding who is incredibly big deals I'm sure you guys can remember with Nancy Kerrigan and the whole incident with with it was with a crowbar. If I remember right or a pipe in, so I know you. You're always incredibly topical, and on top of things there but I I wanNA move on and I. Want you to tell me if you wouldn't mind about MTV and how that came to be okay. Well, a couple things just to finish up on on one hundred moves incredible Ron the last nine quarterly writing parades. Each book was And during that nine quarter prayed, we went I. Think from a seven one to an eleven to or something eleven three I don't know the exact numbers, and we were leading the market by four shares at that point, so we were just we're crushing it and we were having so much fun, and it was really great opportunity and then some behind moments in my career always cherish for my times KKR's. Sidetracked question. How does MTV come to be all right so? As I was Z one hundred, and we were starting to really kill the ratings and some of these things we're doing with Michael. Jackson, Tonya harding, or Bruce Springsteen, getting national attention I had quite a few of these to lead. Places like Miami Philly Dallas Chicago and I finally said to myself I really love it here. We're having so much fun unless it's new. York or Los Angeles I am not going. So I I an opportunity. You're married at this point can Got Married in September of ninety seven so okay. I left Z. in I think around February march of ninety eight. Okay got to see her in a committed relationship and you've you know made Portland's now been your home for five or six years right? Which is the longest? I stayed anywhere in radio up until that point sure so again I figured if it Wasn't Yorker late or is really no reason to move plus I loved it I loved Lebanon Portland and I just haven't oblast. So. I had a call from. You might remember station. It was short lived in New York Husky. Station called Big One zero five. Says the first time New York came a in. and. As much as I had always up to that point when it's program radio station in New York. In go home, right? And impress my friends and family at home. That after I've worked in all these markets around the country that you've probably never heard of. Now made it. Like I wanted to make it right. But my gut just told me that that station wasn't gonNA work. Because it was owned by chance at the time that owned Katie you rhythmic CHR Z, one hundred and light like in. Here's a holiday. See in the middle of all that I'm like. How is that going to work? In the last thing I ever want to do is go back to New York and be a failure. It'd be too embarrassing. Given that a rub there. And my friends family I couldn't make it to New York. Go back to Toledo or whatever with your? Now. So take the job and then a short time later I get a call. One Day from Jeff Pollack crews MTV's consultant. and. Says you know Andy Sean is leaving. Would you be interested in interviewing for his position? And now I'm. Thirty two years old. I'm thinking. Well, that sounds interesting I never thought about working MTV. But I'm also saying that same token. If the next guy is a job for five or six years next time it comes around I'm definitely going to be too old for this job they won't. So I guess I was married for a few months at that point and. My wife had a house I. had a house. We hadn't sold one of the houses yet. I was staying at my wife's house most of the time. and. I call her up in. Say MTV wants me to go for an interview next week. You better. Calling cable hooked up at your. House because I need to watch this Channel Day and night for the next seven days before. Cable before. She got hooked up. But. I think at this point at my career because I was. More, mature, nationally at thirty two then than. Twenty two. And? If I went to mt the I felt it really had be for the right. Reasons at believe I could make a difference in have an impact. Twenty Two I. Probably would have taken the job because I would be enamored that ntd wanted me and I could live in New York would be great. So I watch channel. I. There's this great bookstore to world's biggest bookstores. Importance called Powell's that new and used books that went there one night and crowns yeah. Yeah. So I found a couple old books on MTV at random too much homework, as I could before I went for the job enter. And what I I? What I went in there, saying as long to be completely honest them if they don't like why opinion of were MTV is were I think it should go then you know it's OK. I'm the wrong guy for the job. So I'm in a meeting with Judy McGrath. WHO's the President Bryant Great in who just come in, and he was the one of the south. Park Traders and I kind of let him have it in a nice way. And I get a call. I fly back to Portland at night. I had to call the next day from Jeff. Pollard goes. He really. Kinda hurt Judy's feelings, but she. She agrees with a lot of asset. Goes. I think you have a good shot at this Interested I said I'm definitely interested the conversation. Over the next month or two took awhile Going through the whole process but I. Get offered the position. of VP of music programming. I took the job. I mean what gigantic position following Andy shown. WHO's obviously a legend in the industry in incredible programmer in his own right? You're back in new. York what? You are from what I can tell. This is interesting because I didn't know this, but I think you're very competitive and ratings are incredibly important as they should be. And they were were to me as well. It's certainly a benchmark, but now you've got a national platform a television network that you are in in charge of and to me. that's just a gigantic leap in so the pressure must have been I could imagine immense being as competitive as you are and wanting to come back to New York showing that you were a success. How are you feeling? Well I mean first couple of days you walk into Times Square. You go up to fifteen fifteen Broadway, the twenty fifth floor my building I. Look Out my office window and there's time square below. I mean it's. Like look over there. That's where the ball drops I mean. It's pretty exciting and then after maybe the first week. It's like okay, let's do something. Sure it's a big transition coming from radio. Even though radio, this point had become big companies. it's still a small team locally that made the decisions, MTV's big mammoth place, three floors in his tremendous office building and Just lots of people in lots of departments and Kind of slow moving right in the decision, making process wasn't like okay. The GM where the sales manager and I say hey, we're GONNA. Do this. Let's go do it. It's like. There's a lot meetings. There's a lot to be involved in everything so a lot more time. I was accustomed to and coming from ready I found that extremely frustrating and I've heard that about TV. There wasn't a moment like you had with the. We'll go back to secret garden. You had that idea and literally within twenty four hours you had it on the air and back in Portland, but that TV is almost near impossible correct. Oh, first of all I. Have to actually get clearance in rights to use that. Audio that we pirated from a copy of a movie that. Would just never happened? so yeah, everything was much more difficult and a lot. More people involved in everything because it's not like unit production guy doing something. Are you talking DJ, A crack the Mike three seconds later in south over the air it's. A lot of planning and preparation in discussion and clearance. Just everything takes a lot longer. How long do you end up being an MTV? I stayed about a year. Wasn't my intention when I went there. My wife was a west coast girl, and she had a medical issue with their knack was having a very difficult time making the transition. And brickley I really missed. Radio Radios always been my first love. and. Why was in New York, the guys that big WANNA five. We'd have lunch every couple of weeks. They still have trying to hire me and I kept saying no, no, no. But it got me closer to St Rivers, who was the head of programming at Chancellor at that point. And we'd have lunch on occasion. He was in New York White Bradley. and. Asking me if I'd consider coming back to radio. And one day, I said I would, but it's got to be on the West Coast. And this is you negotiated this at a Ruth Chris, correct? That was the Yup. Stephen and finally this is this is funny. Because I actually had taken a job with Jacor to be their national. CHR Guy we. We're going to move back to fourth. Laurie was ready back important looking for a home and my very last night in New York all the stuff on the truck, moving truck I spent the night on long, island with my brother. And easy eight meets the city every day, but he was about an hour hour, and thirty minutes away one way to get to the city I cough and Steve at like five thirty. And I've a flight at eight. AM The next morning to Portland, he goes. Can you come into ATM tonight? Like St. SP, five thirty. I go flying out tomorrow morning. I mean goes. No, you need to come. Meet with Jimmy decastro tonight. Mike really goes. Yes, you have to come in. I. Go okay, let me see when the next train is. Get into the city. So I go! And I get to Ruth's Chris Midtown which is a steak restaurant and people don't know and there's a lot of people from the company they're. Having dinner and We got something for you. Because it's not going to be important, I know you wanNA. GO TO PORTLAND. We don't have any stationary stations in Seattle. He goes. Would you consider going to San Francisco? And I said. Well Yeah I. Love San Francisco. What's job? He goes you're. GonNa be. The day to day program director of wild, but also be the VP of programming for the seven stations in the market like well. That's a great job and It's pretty interesting, so the one question I asked is right away. Michael Morton was the program Director Wild I go whoa Michael Doing. He goes. He's moving to Los Angeles. And he's going to be at the beat. Question. That didn't occur for me to ask was both. Has, Michael, accepted jock. I. So anyway long story short that night they meet Jimmy Decastro were standing at the bar. Jimmy does deal with me on the back of a ruth's Chris Napkin. which I still have the NAPKIN SAVED Because it was an amazing deal I was blown away back to Portland next morning. It will. MISSTEP there ahead of take the train back out to Long Island at night. At like midnight and we're all drunk. Remember this is fantastic. Just got this amazing gig and I want to tell. My wife is yeah here in Penn station. I just give myself back. I was going to wait. Support Gets Portland get another cell phone so I'm trying to dial a payphone. Dropping remember standard mom's house. I can't really remember the number and I can't get through to her. So I. Just drunk dialing people randomly from the. Exactly a payphone. Yeah, so I get home. To my brother's house in the morning I'm leaving at six that morning go to jail. Hey, catch! Pick me at the airport and we're taking the escalator down to baggage claim. She goes by the way what happened last night so I pulled out the napping. She goes. What's at the numbers in her eyes pop out. Where do they want you to go? And I say San Francisco she goes. We can do that. That's awesome, so that had to build a career highlight. WHOA was a highlight got even better than that though because Michael Morton decided not to go to Los Angeles Cheese I never. You know Michael Used to be one of my bosses down in San Diego and I never knew this story, so yeah, please continue to sell it. I, call Stevens. I'm going actually. We didn't know that they were still trying to get Michael to move. So I was flying and forth San Francisco meetings of people looking for house. And then steep calls one day and goes, listen Michael's not GonNa, move sit tight. We have something better for you. A Mike Okay my stuff in storage. My wife's pregnant. Calming. Living. We're living at her mother's house in Portland. And The Nice thing was my contract. Star sites can paid for about a month to do nothing except just well, that's great. They honored. Honored the Napkin, so Steve Calls me one day at like a seven or eight night and he goes. Hey, meet me in Denver tomorrow. Take the first flight in the morning. We had stations in Denver, so I go to Denver and I need some help here. The markets mass and and long story short. What happened is as I moved into this role. As Steve's right hand man. And basically sort of markets that were in trouble and help, which was an amazing job, because my background is a little bit of rock, but as you heard on this podcast, mostly CHR now working with all kinds of formats. Sure that I know nothing about. And seems like you can do it. Just go do great radio. figure it out but chancer. Just to keep this thing moving. It was an amazing experience working in the biggest markets with stations and brightest minds in the country. It was like going to graduate radio programming. School in I came out far better. Because of my time, chancer. Then I could have ever imagined or done doing anything else so from chancellor. And now you're responsible for all these stations and you've got your hands in different formats, obviously having a CHR background, but Are you. Still Orakei or now, really kind of identify yourself as a CHR person. Or How do you identify can? Listen I like classic rock. Music I do I didn't like doing rock format. 'cause I found it too restrictive. Right there there's a certain cool factor there certain things you can't do a thing with the CHR station with the right position on it. You can do just about anything you want. The other thing is too I wanted to be the number one radio station. There's very few rock stations that are number wide right I want to. The top station. I want to do whatever I want and. And have a lot of fun and I think CHR is e format that allows you to do. Those things talk about citadel is that when freed is running citadel? No. So what happened I left chancer when it sold to clear channel decided to take the golden parachute which never had before. I had no non compete because at a California contract, and as you know, they don't exist in the contracts. That's great so when I was leaving, Chancery and FM the CFO calls me up and goes listen. They're really pissed that you have a non compete in your contract. He's back in Boston. Had A remind Kenny KIEF why I didn't have a non compete even though is living in Portland. And he goes well. You take a ninety day out. They'll pay you. They Oh, you but not work for ninety days like the first of August, I'm like. Still Summertime, sure no problem right so about thirty days in I get offered this job at citadel as the executive. VP of programming, which I both. I was fairly well prepared for with chancellor experience. And they were really wanted me at work immediately and I told my work till the first November. I'll be there. The first November not coming today before because I'm not even all that money. Sure. They were cool that so went to work for Larry Wilson. Who was the founder? Larry? Wilson, and he had started the company about twenty years ago. was kind of a tight knit family. The guys that have worked together forever and I just felt it'd be a good place to go because. In this age of rapid consolidation, the US I just felt citadel might be one of those companies that Kinda continues on its own. Much to my surprise one day we find out that forcement little, which is a big venture. Capitalists bought the company. Larry was out quite quickly. His wife was also burial, the time and inbreeds Solman, who was Mel Karmazin, right hand. Man at CBS comes into run the company. Wow, and short amount of time. A ten of the eleven executives were out. The only guy to survive is probably the Guy Free likes best that the finance interesting, so then I was on the beach. And now your career takes a very interesting turn because you go back to what you started doing as an intern. And you're into. And you start to work with Bob Lawrence. At N ICAL, right. Bob was one of the PD's. I ever saw in San Francisco chancer. That's let's I met Bob. And guys only was a partner pinnacle. So they call me one day and say hey. We don't know what you're GONNA. Do next. But, what do you think about? Working for us in cultivating international research business in Bob had done a lot of that from his days with broadcast architecture. And while. The two senior programming jobs at Chancellor and citadel where my dream jobs I mean that's all I ever wanted to do. Sure I felt like. Maybe it was time for the next chapter. And, I'm over and over and I accepted the position. With Pinnacle to go this international business now do you have much international experience at this time I know obviously you were foreign exchange student for a semester in London but other than that. Were you many Mr worldwide or what was kind of your experience from an International Front Really nothing in Radio I. Think I had one trip to Back in the day to. Europe to in. Our FM, listen WAS RTL. That can't RTL in fun. Radio broadcasts architecturally invited me to a research meeting in Paris. One time, so that was it. I really had no experience. That's a huge leap. For Bob to take and guy to take and also your confidence is incredibly impressive I've always been. Enamoured with your ability way that you deliver the way that you communicate and people just really respond to you and dealing internationally is very difficult. It's been incredibly challenging for me. And I actually owe a lot of our international success to you, and some the introductions that you've made, but the cultural differences differences can be difficult. Especially I think if you're I. Guess Confidence, definitely part of it, but you just after really present things in a certain way and I think you must just naturally have that ability, or is that something you learned along the way well I. Think the first thing that helped me is. A programmer still a programmer at heart that primarily deals in talks to programming people. So. We have that automatic bond that no. I'm not a Sales Guy Program Guy I speak your language. I've sat in your chair. I've. been through some the experiences that you've been through. On so I think that's one piece that helps I'm also I love to travel I love to experience new cultures. To me after working in so many US markets in those group roles where a classic rock station in Saint Louis, and all that much different than one in Portland. Right To now go to a market and. The embryo stages of these markets are all different based on how they evolved. The regulations are different. Somehow every requirements for domestic music in their mixes don't and some markets. Public broadcasters still have massive shares. so there's a lot more to consider I mean. You know a lot of our work is in Europe, but we work in other countries as well, but it's not one size fits all in me. That's the. The really fun part of it. See you learn a lot about research. I take it from Bob and from guy and growing international, which you obviously, a sure had a lot of success doing 'cause. You've done so well with P. P. One which we'll get into IRNA moment of what else do you learn during this period? Working with guys like like Bob, well I mean a couple of things to one you know. Bob Provided a lot of music research for us at Citadel, so is quite familiar with the core product. We were selling at the time. because I was a customer, so was very easy. Go Talk to people with comments about it because I never saw myself as a sales guy. Right, and I could never sell something I wasn't really into or believed him, but I totally believed in the way they were doing library testing at the time, and we also had a call out product at that time, which was very early rate. The music was just starting at the same time, and it was a low entry point. As far as price goes, so it was a great. Way to open relationship with very low investment from the other side to show them this new tool in value in hopefully leverage that into a bigger relationship, so after doing your with Bob for seven years, and then you moved on to work with the guy's a spark neck correct. Yes, so a couple things happen. If you remember around Oh nine ten, I mean we're in a deep deep recession. The US business for Pinnacle got crushed. International is still holding up very well and. He's got so bad. The US Bob let me and some other people go. So. What do I do now, right? It's like a really started the first iteration of my own research company at that point in conjunction with sparked net which was Gary All the states in Pat Bond and Canada. We did a joint venture to. Start what became P., one research and then later. We took full control back became the few on Media Group and going out now on your own. Because this is the first time you've got your own, really your own company because you were a partner in that business. Took a lot of guts and actually I think this is all around the same time that Ben's town came to be it were you was there anxiety there? What kind of gave you the the guts to do it? You don't want. There was a lot less anxiety when I started with pinnacle because I've been doing this for seventy years I had relationships in a lot of places. In fact, my call, some of my customers tell them I was no longer with cynical They were very surprised that I didn't own. A piece of the company thought it is that I worked there like island. I never told anybody. So they go can. We don't know what you're GONNA do, but we hope you do research in will be your first customer. So, a handful of guys said that it gave me total confidence to to move forward. Sure and so now you've got your own business or starting to come out of the recession and things start to really take off for you. There are some ramp up period. I mean we didn't have a big successfully business overnight. Even though we had some initial clients was still reeling from the economic recovery of the recession. And at the same token, the connection with sparking at. The creators and owners of the Jack and bran. They wanted to work with me internationally to help develop Jack Brad internationally, which is a tough thing to do, but we did get it on in some markets like Moscow and Saint Petersburg and a bunch of cities in the UK and I was quite fascinated with Jackson the very first time I heard it in Vancouver which was around two thousand three, so to me, being a guy who loves radio. Get my fingers on that and figure out. What made that ticket was? was worth it in itself. Sure no just a phenomenal brand and our friend, actually who just called my phone was vibrating, but our mutual friend Gary Wall of learned a tremendous amount from him and Kevin who's sitting across the way from me. works on all the imaging with Gerry offer the the network for Jack FM network. Tell me A. A little bit about your involvement with Jack and what you did with with that internationally well, the first one we got on the air was in Augsburg in the UK They had a new license, and they were looking for something new and different and At Ben, actually great clients still have the format today. It done an amazing job. Putting UK flare into the Jack Dna, in a been extremely successful, in fact, they jacked Tuna Jack. Three format now. Wow, in a Union Jack Da. Only, focuses on British artists. So. That was a lot of fun. The Russia experience was more challenging. For a lot of different reasons, but still a great experience at how did you broker the deal in Russia? What was the like? Very interesting. They called one day to inquire about it, and they said you're going to be in Europe anytime soon. I think I was flying to be ended the next day I was in the states and I get off the plane of Vienna eight o'clock in the morning and meet him at the hotel across the street, right. And we basically did a a deal at this restaurant. amazing yeah. You've been incredibly instrumental and we, we have a great partnership with europa-plus because of you in in Moscow, so your your your relationships internationally are incredible, and you stand I think the Ken Benson Brand really stands for quality creativity, and it's a very impressive impressive career that you've had now you end up leaving or spark neck kinda disbands in it's in that it ration-, and I know it still exists, but you can go out on your own from there with p. one that's right the two partners and spark net split, and that pointed allowed us to buy our share the company whole. and go out on her own, so it's really from a customer. Standpoint was really no change in evolution change slight alterations of the name but. still one media group, and now you've been running that on its own for pretty much the last five years or so. That's great, and how's IT Goin'? How're things impacting you in regards to corona virus. You know. Our industry's been hit. Really hard as you know, you pick up the traits every day you're reading about people losing jobs in layoffs and advertising revenue just plummeting. It's a tough time. I mean it varies by company varies by market varies by country, but no one is immune from a loss of revenue and research and consulting and marketing are usually the things said are quick and easy things to cut right slot. Sure you gotta pay ranch. You gotTA. Pay The electric to keep transmitter on yet today. Some people that she go there instill. Ron. It so yeah. It certainly impacted our business But you know we're not going out of business anytime soon. But. Yeah, we're going to be making less for awhile. Yes, we are so as disappointing out, but I mean we're not alone and We'll get Roy wherein a very similar situation, so I I completely understand. I can say that we worked with you for now pretty much. Since the beginning you've helped us with the video fifty list and you just recently did a some work for us. just an incredible organization that you have and really impressed with everything that you've created in your careers, absolutely absolutely remarkable to go from literally a transistor radio that your father gave you to running. Running MTV to being the VP of programming for chancellor and Citadel to having your own research company I mean you've really You've run the gamut, and it's incredibly impressive, and you just have been a great person of for the industry as well as some of the people that you've meant toward. We didn't have a ton of time but Larry. Scott Tommy Austin A lot of people that worked with you've gone on to go on. You have phenomenal careers. Isn't a Tommy is a big programming had a program now for entercom cracked no the IHEART. iheart sorry, so he's doing really well. Lara's here in L.. A. Doing really well who are some of the others that you've mentored along the way that you're proud of their accomplishments. Chet Buchanan, second stint with us at acres was one of the original DJ's there. We brought him back. Course he's had this phenomenal career in Las, Vegas said Kale you see doing mornings. That massive toy drive everybody. Here's so much about every December. It was great one. We talked about Scott who's now days at cared, she started. With me when she was twenty one as a part timer. Wow in Portland, Yup. Yup, she was actually doing quick story, and she was doing all these part time overnight. The oldie station, which is actually in the building extraordinary in one of our sales promotion. GUYS GO HEY! Talk this goal era I think she's really good. And in just a matter of a couple of months, I've put her on part-time fulltime overnights. I fired the number one. Guy To put her on nights because I just felt you take further and she did. She was amazed. She's great. We worked together at when I was at a clear channel here Iheart, but Larry's layers, great talent, and then Dave style suits My one four three in L. A.. He was a part timer for me sure. Who Else Eric Murphy who you may know. He was music, director and afternoon guide see then he yeah, the record guide RCA now he's got this. Amazing company called pop to life. that does experiential marketing that cond NAST bought from him a couple of years ago and I'm sure that a fortune of course was undisclosed, but a good for him. He's still involved with secretive guy. man there's so many people I mentioned an Clark. Guys like Steve Rivers and David Lee Bow. That had big influence on me. Tracy Johnson Bill, Richards. To consultants that were really instrumental in my career and want to get a shout out to one GM clint sly. Who was there for the last three years of my z one hundred stanton, and by far the best GM overworked totally committed in every way shape or form, and I think without him. We WanNA cheat the success that the team. Made Happy Together. He was just an amazing mentor manager and taught me a lot. Let's leave off with one great story from Z one hundred I. Know there are several and we talked obviously about Jerry Maguire. But I fill me in on one of the great, just promotion or something that you did there During your time, okay, couple come to mind I could do a lot of Tonya harding stories, but. Just want to get quick Michael Jackson Story. Please one of our morning. Guys did great a lots of great impressions, but did an amazing Bill Clinton pressure. And Michael. Jackson was shooting commercial, not the Pepsi commercial in the eighties, but something else in the nineties and then caught fire. And was in a hospital in New York City. So the morning guy that does Clinton Calls Up. The New York City hospital the morning after. As Bill Clinton. And actually gets through to Michael Jackson Oh, my Gosh! Tune in at call with Michael Jackson. We were the only in the world to talk to Michael Jackson at this point. So my phone rings at six thirty in the morning. It's the morning, guys. I mean there's just tell. It was real because they were so excited that they actually got through to Michael Jackson and asking me if they can eric. Know the right not allowed to put somebody on the air without Birmingham. I you recording them which I would. So I made the executive call that we're. GonNa Roll with this, even though was broken, FCC roles. Sure? It was an amazing call. We put on the air and. Again, it was just something they did for the morning show, but then we decided to make this clip available. You know we're an entertainment tonight. That night were everywhere because we have the only interview in the world with Michael Jackson all my God. That's the kind of success. We had just did things that were good for the station and so many times they blow up into something so much bigger than we ever anticipated going. Can we find that? Audio can I have audio? We Z? One hundred bucks set. That was knit. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Wrap this up then. We're going to play that audio, so everyone can hear that because I've never heard it. And I would I would love to do it. We could have a whole podcast just on z one hundred and everything that you did. They're just unbelievable radio station. Incredible Story Corp to one day. We'll tell some Tonya. Harding stories because I gotta be honest with all the things we did. And once I saw the movie. I actually felt bad about some of the things we did, but. Did some amazing things together a lot of good things together to towards the end on Shirley so good Ken Bentsen. Thank you so much for your time just in an amazing career Thank you for everything that you've done for Ben's town and being a mentor to me and a friendship by. Include you amongst a very close circle of a great friends and people have been so helpful to us and I. Thank you for that really greatly. Appreciate your time and thank you for sharing all your stores with. Are you welcome and thank you for that ride in the Jalopy? Many many years ago from the San Diego, airport. where it all started between us so? How Good Morning. Public Affairs this. Is White House operator number sixty four? Please stand by for the president of the United States. Hello, this is President Clinton. Is there any chance you can put me in touch with a representative for Michael? Jackson. Hold on just a moment, please. Can I. Help You. Hello! This is President Clinton. I was wanting to know if I could speak with one of Michael Jackson's representatives I'd like to know if I could place a call to his room and wish must be recovery If you hold on actually, this is the downtown campus and he that are uptown division, so I have to get them on the line and then transfer over there. Could give me the number I could call it. Does it have to be transferred through you? Okay if you can hold on, I'll translate over to the North Division. Okay hold on! Hello. Hello, we're in the process of getting a line for yourself. You hold onto small moment right, thank you. Hello I. I can barely hear you. Is there any chance you can speak out? This is president, Clinton. Transferring me. Michael and Michael how are you feeling? Thank you for calling. Michael I just wanted you to know that my heart goes out to you I know the big specialist planned on Hbo this weekend. I was planning on watching it. How how are you feeling? Are You doing all right? Michael I know you're not feeling very well, so I'll just keep it brief. I I hope you have a speedy recovery. And I don't know if you heard last night on the billboard music awards, everyone was showing lots of support. And I hope that you'll feel better very very soon. To call all right. I'm like all right Michael Thank you very much. Family I will also say how to Hillary and Chelsea. She loves you new album by the way she's got it. Speedy recovery. Michael, thank you very much for taking my call. Thank you rest up. Can't looking forward to seeing you sing again real soon? Thank you all right. Thank you bye-bye.

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Gary Gulman Returns

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

2:29:31 hr | 1 year ago

Gary Gulman Returns

"You Walk You made it weird with the homes. Look what's happening Weirdos exciting news right up top. I've finally announced my two thousand nine hundred ninety. Two Thousand Twenty stand up tour kicking off this weekend in Denver which I'm so happy to say is sold out. I'm excited to see you guys this this weekend. we have a bunch more date. Some of them just got announced. I'm going to be in Washington. DC At the end of October and in November number. I'll be in Connecticut and Boston there's GonNa be more Boston chose added. I'm doing the comics come home show which is going to be amazing and and then there's also going to be a solo show which we haven't announced yet but those will all be on Pete Holmes Dot Com. I'm also happy to say that New York going to be a New York where where's that. It's going to be on the website go to Pete Holmes Dot Com New York. DC Connecticut Boston and as we add the dates they'll all be nice and easy on Pete Holmes Dot Com hope to see you out there. 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DC Fairfield Connecticut Boston mass and The New York Comedy Festival Tickets Guitar Available Now at Pete Holmes Dot Com in the meantime enjoy my dear friend Gary Coleman Gary Goldman get into it and I wanted to do a series of arch nemeses hugging cool things. It's funny that Kehinde late I- garold I was GONNA fuck sake get all this record. I wanted people to hear what it sounds like. When you're starting a podcast donut the grit Alva Sabi I was in here laying right where you are now? I sometimes just hanging out in here and I was like I'm going to take some of this shit down. I don't like the self serving doing like I did. I realized that you have to the guests. Look at a Wall Street Journal thing about the trade baby take that down. They get that out of here. I'm going to take it down. 'cause I realized I don't like when I go to other people's People's houses and they have their awards and accolades. It's not that I don't like it. I just I don't need it. Wow I hadn't thought about how I I feel about that. I do know that I do have a live concert poster and I've hidden it in the bedroom behind behind the bookcase so that nobody would see it except me when I go to put laundry in the half. I feel like that's different in our we call it the kosher kitchen. I don't want people walking into my apartment and seeing me me me me me me. That's what I'm cooking the same meal yeah. We're eating it differently but I have a show poster in the house. I don't find that to God isn't the deep house cool someone made it. Oh Wow that's cool image and if you look closely it's a poster for a show of mine for some reason. I'm okay with that just straight out. I don't know there's there's just like I kind of have an anti hoarding. Just let it go. The the new GIG learned late night move on ny like that. It's under a member but doesn't need to be on the wall. I think so oh Gerald you love me too good. Yeah I yeah you're just York. FM Times that doesn't do anything for you like let let me I mean this is a champagne issue but I wanted to okay so champagne issue so I have a good Gary. Goldman your special right. I they have a billboard up paths. You went to his voice. His voice is that Pesto like uh-huh shot Joe derosa by the way who he's the one who pointed out billy's to do shows joe and Joe would do him before and it would kill Jazz. Joe's bill is one of the best things ever. Have you ever seen tyler fishers bill Burr I haven't. I don't think I've Seen Tyler Fisher on my gosh. He does bilberry Boston teaching a master class us. He's a New York. I know from New York and it's on the money really. Is that a series of videos where you were in Oh oh yeah that was jail who does Louis Ck School of comedy where he tells children's jokes and he goes seven afraid of eight because fucking eight nine seven eight nine. I fucked it up but he would do all the classic jokes is Louie that that video was fucking perfect perfect jail jail Calvin C C a n look it up and then Tyler Fisher. I feel like we're overdue. Oh for a masterclass skewering I mean it seemed like there was an interesting opportunity to poke fun at Louis. You know what I mean rife life. I've been watching Gary Goeman clothes all day so like really you're such a delight. just start with the good shit. You're so good as I said when I saw you at at Largo but you have such a like a natural it's not forced you have a love of language I saw in your special and then you did on Conan a bit. That's on your special and there's it doesn't work as well on Conan because it was just like a cold crowd. You were fantastic a great clip. This is not you that passive aggressive community. It's a great clip. The audience isn't great and you said it was fraught and then they didn't really laugh and then you wait Laflin offline it is a Laflin. I think it is that they didn't laugh and your special they laugh because they know you and Gary. It's what I call a Gary Being Gary Laugh. It's a personality yes. Oh my God that's really insightful and it goes to have Chattan Pete being look. I need more. No that's not true you can't have enough off but that goes to that old myth that that Seinfeld crammed down our throats many years ago that only gives you five minutes famous Ramos Really. I said that everybody WHO's at your show their favorite thing is you yeah and that's okay. It's okay to ride that. Don't tell me you're only getting five minutes. It's I quoted that yesterday saying Oh. When Rainn Wilson did this yesterday was like aren't they just excited that you're there and I was like well first of all? I'm not on a huge network. Show like you said it's a smaller number. That's true right secondly. I quoted as thirty seconds but you're right. It's fine. I thought he quoted a lower number. Maybe I don't know maybe he gave himself so I loved watching your special just because you have watched it I well there was a little snafu. See carry on Conan you went it was fraught and they don't laugh and went fraught with what you added a line because I saw just the flames and you're not not anger flames mischievous. I'm driving the car. You guys just missed a road sign that I pointed out a billboard a billboard but I'm GONNA say it again to show you that. I haven't lost any ground here. It's a great moment fraught with what you double down. All your analysis. ooh Go and get me started on analysis. But what were we saying. I was saying that you want to the special and when you're doing it you're not ought you're not playing with scared money. I love watching you. There isn't that I don't know prickly. I don't mean to do bills voice here. We were just doing bill. Bill is absolutely one of my favorites for sure so I'm not putting down bill but sometimes I'll watch bill. It'll make me nervous because I'm like Oh. I got I got a fucking claw. Their throats like you got to claw their throats and then I watch you and I go it is another Seinfeld is another. There's so many any guys that remind Alexandro Yep that stand up Ken be more of a easy. It doesn't have to be like hey the buckeyes drinking who's drinking. WHO's drinking? There's something called the drink Lincoln I could say who's drinking is this you know what I mean in which is have fun and well. Don't you feel like that was a Boston thing you really had to grab the audience audience by the throat but also there was Roman. I think Steven Wright took advantage of this to the fullest where there was room to really stand out by being a little bit different. I'm from which is why he's a great or a lot different to use a BOT. You put Stevie right. I it's a in Boston. You know what I mean. He's a pinch hitter absolutely and Nat I used to look at the pinch hitters and I was like I'm not a pinch hitter. I'm a host that's. That's why the newly gig learned late night. You know what I mean hosting. I'm I send this face. I I have right come on. We got a great night. Good Stephen. It is great. I used to be a narrator for bad had mine one of the greatest sentences Jovi people when they're real voice saying it out loud. That's how I am with Menu Joke. Oh it's perfect. They are usually say caesarian section on this is Aaron section. You can't tell but every Winston Wilde when I leave the House I go out the window so brilliant isn't that great yes and because he's from Boston and because you and I are from Boston and and I want you to speak to this. I think we know what if I can hard town. It can be very exactly steven right so the fact that he's like the beloved son of Boston. I wonder how he feels about that. He did it against their will now. We all claim Stephen like we loved him right away going hang on after pretty much the blueprint of embassies which was Lenny Clark Yeah Yes yes just charisma in a flat top Lenny Clark. I'm not saying lending is not talented. Laughing off route risen and turning the crowd into an army that's exactly and then in Steven Reich goes on when I was growing up. I didn't think I was funny because I saw what made my father laugh and it was guys like Lenny Clarke. I think England great by the way that this is not anti now I just would sit with him. Yes and I've said there's a million on the PODCASTS. My parents are actually coming in today. If I feel like there's a vampire chasing. I feel like a little off. It's because there's an Indiana Jones Boulder landing at lax now it's deep claiming it's crushing. It's on its way to me. That's a great image GonNa Squash me as soon as it gets applying to ram one of the things I always felt felt that I missed about Indiana Jones and the raiders of the lost Ark is the big boulder. Yes No backstory hilarious. I'm realizing thing in Jeff. I think they do a gag where he runs and it follows him impossible place. Oh my gosh that's hilarious. It was F- Great Movie Ooh every rebirth that's what people think it is now because they have no concept of those channels from the TV thirty eight fifty six fifty fifty six with Paul Wagner with a Standup no-ball Wagner. Yes I knew him. Yes I can't starstruck. If I'm Paul Wagner. WWL Kids Club Yeah. He was a really sweet guy and then but the kids club and then Dale Dorman used to do some voice overs when I was a kid. These are comics that did local Boston they. They used to have these these great contests where where you would oh my gosh. I don't know what you would win but you would try to they. They were like word scrambles but the answer was like Marcia Brady. I send them in. I never one it's it's my favorite that was how that was one of the early ways to be funny and to do show Biz is I would write letters to the editor of like a video game magazine and try to get a gag. I've said this I've said everything on the podcast before in the game mortal Kombat Shout Xiaopeng I think is his name. He narrates it. He's the voice that goes excellent. Remember and you fight him at the end and he's the last guy you have to beat Goro the forearm guy. You're picturing him right claim h yeah oh my gosh so have you beat Goro very difficult you fight shout song or whatever show Zouk something and I wrote in what if Xiaosong narrated the fight you the fight with him and then I just put in quotes finish me. I thought that was so brilliant Gary only buddy. We have this in common. I wait around Boston seeing my dad laughing at letting Clark's me going finish me yeah and we both came out of that. I don't think it's a I don't think it's an accident like now. That sort of environment actually grows other types of comedy absolutely can't do that. How do you follow that I I I to this day? You'll see if you come to lunch with us. You're invited. I'm just kidding. You don't want to the only way I can make laugh doing an impression of him. That's Boston. If if I WANNA be easily over here what is ragged cork out in my high no way at at our stand up my my my Shaw Day your Hsieh all right yeah I just I wanted her to come see you. Oh is she coming. I hope so I don't know though are you gonNa lock the screen. I have anxiety now. I'm not gonNA lock screen screen. It's like putting a baby carriage on top of a car and driver. I know except you could order grown on Amazon all right. You're right you don't have to. I love that you made a choice. Do you want to know what my screensavers yeah. Let's see ever tried and failed no matter try again. Fail again fail better. I don't get ever tried ever failed whenever whenever you try you fail. I know that's a whole drainage. Try again. It's pitcher. You know it's funny. I love it. Yeah poetry gets away with a lot. Oh Oh my God. What are you saying you said or yeah or over? What were the it's it's in the Star spangled banner or or the or the ram parts? Yeah and most people think it's or org but we know that it's shortened over its apostrophe yard. It'll never take these are Gary Oldman at that Pesky v out of appear slowing down that Pesky v Outta here. I won't comment to you. If I were Jeffrey Ross I would bump your mic right now. Now do steal a Dick's. That's exactly what it is. He's stealing steal and steal it as yeah but that is the when we were at Largo. We're all like Gary. Coleman is the fucking greatest one of the greatest of all time and we were all me Tom Papa who's also a guy that makes me feel that way and he felt that way about you because we were just like what is going on here. You're shit is so tight you enjoy language anguish and you enjoy like I love your tweets. Your writing tweets thank you. It's just such a delight to see somebody that like can stay warm warm and human but still love to write up perfect joke well yet the depression anxiety humbles. You get it yeah. I I have to just growing up with with that. You never get too big for your Britches. When you know you could be cut down every any moment and internally two yeah yeah so that that that keeps you in check but that's it? That's it you said in the special that like the anxiety and depression made you work hard because you thought if I could could be excellent it's upright. I would feel better about myself yeah. That's what I thought the you don't feel that way formula wants to know and Bruce Springsteen cured me of that tells his autobiography in which this guy who worked harder than anybody including James Brown and achieved as much as anyone there's maybe there are people as big but there's nobody bigger than Bruce springsteen and he couldn't get out of bed at one point yes in his in his autobiography which I listened to two and he read from bed. I wonder if he ever did but he just it's as good as anything he's ever written. I mean hit us. Yes his recollection of his childhood is astounding yeah and and he puts together beautiful sentence and it was it just riveting but he said that he took anti depressants and he felt like himself again and wow which you and I ask. My Dad still thinks my dad. There are two things when I drank. My Dad thought I didn't drink Oh same way my dad just go the cigarette Grete in my mouth nonsmoke- that's fucking hilarious. Yes my dad. I could've finished a drink in the meal and my dad these leading questions it just you know drink and it wouldn't matter what you said so you might as well just be like. No Dad I smell of a Manhattan. I blow on a match and lights. I'd just you also thinks therapy is a weakness. He still thinks it's I really identified and fight with you and your mother's relationship I was close to my mom like you were coming up. I was like one of their girlfriends. Oh do yeah yeah. I was one of the golden girls. I don't know what's going on a stakeout of my mother's. What do you call a male mistress? If you're a woman and you have a guy that you're seeing being Schneider. It's based on Deuce bigalow. You go I ever Schneider okay. It's always been though pre it predates the movie. I'LL BE WANNA so I never saw this bigalow. Is it good okay melgen. I actually when I saw it. Gary Gary loves that. Do you think what came first. You're so funny right Gigolo. We need all times with Gigolo. Hello I ever care Deuce bigalow what he does doc someone writes pharmacy crossed out to bigelow bigelow bigelow hardener Gartner deuce bigalow male gardener. I haven't been tempted to make a t-shirt on this show for a while and yes. I'm putting down every other episode. Wow that's a great riff right so anyhow my mom's friend Inga Inga was she. She felt she was being cheated on by her equivalent her Schneider and so my mother but she waits Ingo is married great and English married and having an affair. Yes isn't that the right of the Schneider of course isn't that like by design you meet a Snyder and he's like yeah. We'll have some sneaky with you yeah and then you think man I know I know when a pillar of the community yeah the only mean thing when my wife cheated on me the only thing I said was it's actually a little on woke. I called the guy a thief life but that was me thinking was my possession. I was twenty eight. I was perfectly honest but I couldn't think of an insult so I was like what I was trying to say was how you know. He's not GonNa Cheat on you very old school yeah. I'm sure everyone I grew up in Boston was like happy. You let avid utilize that because that's like some fucking doc in red lodge. Why do you think Oh doing sandler? He don't that's all I had. She's not gotten the night and got some day and I snuck out in the night and got some D. It's perfect. I don't like it. I like it. Keep going well. The thing about men now is the worst thing you can be called as a as a cock which is short for for Cocu. Here's the interesting thing these guys were for for the most part not well read are are using this expression from its right out of your act right this thing. Is this bully. Having what isn't an acuity eh he had such a facility with with Shakespeare yeah but the cuckold is a is an obscure word yeah yeah and so they're reaching way back into. Maybe the well. I'm worried it's like Chapelle used to have a bit about the most most dangerous person in a group. I forget what it was. It doesn't matter I'm worried about the genius whose racist you mean. Bill Burr had a great bit about who writes these racist jokes. What's the difference between a Jew and a canoe canoes tip and he would tell that joke? I'm not saying that's a funny joke. I'm just saying but bill solid though that's what at at this point he goes. It's a great joke. The punchline rhymes like who is this racist who's hilarious also who were these raises in these homophobes ofo and all these different things that are like I. I believe that they exist. They're going deep. They find the word cuckold right. They spread it out to the foot to the funnies. They shorten it to cook yeah but I think what percentage of the men using cock to dismiss me. Are you specifically are they well. I got called that because of my political leanings and it's a it's a huge leap to go from being commonsense gun control advocate advocate to your wife cheating on you and you're okay with right. That's a really big leap and this Guy Wants Mental Jack Right Chris Kelly. She's got a Schneider Yeah your wife Scottish. Ida Company said you shouldn't have an assault rifle deer which brings me back to my mother taking me on this stakeout of Schneider with Anga. When I was like eight years old you did yes? I sat in the back seat of her nineteen. Seventy seven Chevy Bel Layer. Oh yeah it might have been early comedians in cars and he picks you up in the seventy seven belair and he's like I love the podcast I doc. We could go on thank out. Have you done Offi. Have you just take him out of the car. Stakeout is over uh-huh why the stakes are to have a successful stake in go down back steak. I know I've never done A. You're GONNA do it because this special. I don't know about all signed. Are I do but I know that Seinfeld Goes Bang but he doesn't like medians open wind up putting up one of the things I really want Seinfeld to do this podcast. I'm trying hard. I love him. I know you and I both love God and one of the things that he said on Comedians in cars that I disagreed with not that I'm like trying to corner corner him. Obviously right is that he said no one cares. If a bit is true or not and I was like yes we do and any references Richard Pryor talking to a crack pipe and it's about addiction and he's like it's funny because he's talking to a pipe. He says that I'm like if that's not true right. It's sucks. It's like it's just a different. I think he would just lay true that of course if it's not true. Why are you doing that material right? It's it's up funny because the pipe is talking. It's funny because this is a man bearing is I think he would have to agree. Yes I think he would just go. You know there's go- pros everywhere. We gotTA fill seven minutes. I'm talking to bury we gotta give on. I don't I so anyway. Cut that out. I'm just kidding. Oh it was joke. No don't Kinda no. I'm not gonNA kind of Oh. That was a joke yeah either so you went on and I didn't think you said anything that you should be no. I know the joke was is I'm going to say cut it out but we're not going to be titillating for the list right St Louis literally maybe he should build up how much all right all right. Let's go back yeah right there. They left the bit remained. Yes so you went on a stakeout out to see if you could find their Schneider Yeah and we saw leaving the woman's apartment and and in the movie I'm picturing either there buttoning up his shirt or putting on his belt now he was he was he was put together as walking jauntily out there he was an older man into was older than Inga but when you're eight years old who knows how old anybody that's so right if you forty one ancient yeah yeah yeah it's hilarious been an old man but yeah he was he was juggling quite a few middle aged women this Guy Yeah I wanNA movie about this guy and Inga lovely and what did she do. She confront them not that night. Not that night he spared you yeah but she had the goods on them and I think she confronted him and then we got you that are instantly developed see devices but they still advance the film right of course and they have the X. Focus Marks. Yes yes it but they just for a second of John of John. Gotti getting into a Cadillac. I know that my version of that was my mother would just be told I was her her friend. I was gentleman helper helper. She Complain About my dad. She'd tell me she's GonNa Kill my dad. I'm like should we telling me right even as a child. I was like this weird right. I mean but she you know she needed a friend also inappropriate. I WANNA I wanNA wear both shoes one shoe. She needed a friend and she loved me so well right to what was I supposed to do. I don't WanNa hear I couldn't put up a boundary build a boundary out of legos. I wasn't even dupleix really wow. Let me get my huge Legos and build a boundary mom like us. You could just feel that those were off brand. Those yeah like a fruit loop cereal like a fake lughnasa. I Dunno if you grew up with bristle brush bristle blocks Bristle blocks. Is that like a shredded wheat. No bristle box were block game but they they worked on. It's hard to explain you just gave me a memory and I bet that's GonNa give you a memory in. I think it was like third. Grade grows nameless Jenny. We were supposed to write our favorites. This is a heartbreaker okay but I bet it's going going to remind you of junior high because your bed about the water fountain and all this stuff it's wonderful and we were supposed to write are now that I have a daughter. I hate the story even more because this is somebody's sweet daughter named Jenny and we're supposed to write our favorite cereals on the board and she writes fruit loops. Now fruit loops spelled F. R. O. T. Yeah L. O. But of course we just learned how to properly spell fruit. She writes fruit. I didn't eat fruit loops. Were all laughing. We weren't bullies but we just like you. No you have nothing right. You're not right about anything yeah so we were just like. It's not just poor fucking this story but that's how us isn't it Kellogg's is very irresponsible. This is where kids are learning yeah. You're getting their fresh bright brains early in the morning is expel fruit and she was just being accurate. Where did she fall in class? As far as her grades and heard it was a very small class and I think she was kind kind of there was the top tier of the popular girls and maybe she was in the second tier. Do you think she knew how to spell fruit. Yes I do okay then. She was just it was just so accurate. It was and she paid a price for it. It's like it's not captain crunch. It's it's cap APP to you know. He's a great captain. You know that I had a I had a hand joke about of captive. I had a joke about that. That didn't make the special will about these these serial people manipulating us by convincing us that this guy was laid-back kind of kind of admiral and he's a cat. He's the captain but you know what he's so cool. We just call him. Captain is is in on that but again. Nobody knows how to spell captain because of fruit loop free loop and cabinet loops. This is where we alert. It's where I was supposed to learn. The fifty state tied the place map all right the freak states in their own little windows. That's a simpsons Simpson's line. Yes the forty eight and then to freak states not in Hawaii Alaska extent yes but they got their own little window. Now I swear your voice is so clear and fun that watch it just makes me WANNA go like they get their own little window Alaska peaking in their. You don't look below me. What does that candidate no? I don't know I'm with you. Guys word like Alaska is like the one baggy sock could barely on the foot of America wow that is I feel really WanNa joke. That is exactly what that is exactly what that's funny. Uh we both comedian laughed at that Oh my Gosh you could open with that on a Sunday night at the comedy connection in Faneuil Hall and you would own the audience for the rest of the time in their joey. Where's Joey Man? He booked the comedy connection and I've told the story many times. My Dad told me be aggressive. We grew up similar and it was just like you know be assertive. Tell them what I would call that club yeah three three times a day. Finally Joey answered the phone and was like this isn't how it works. I really do and then when I called Rick Jenkins at the comedy studio he he was the opposite one was like well. I'm so glad you called. What's Nice to meet? He's still back yeah he was he was stand up. Yeah and Joey was shot as he shot shot that she was going to the door. I shot a how are you is. How so great? Maybe I don't know. I don't know this doesn't Gary come to this house. I've only ever lived in one house. Oh then then yes. It looks different on the outside that live with eight yes to the gate yes. How's it going? Do you want to sit in. We don't have a chair. Do you want to get into the Sauna. You can get in the Saana. That's amazing. I didn't even notice the Sauna you did notice a lot of good things. Yeah you noticed noticed the photo of me and bill and then what else did you notice you notice something not great painting look at the painting he made of the Joker Hugging Batman. That's right. That's what we were talking so you know I'm in the new joker. Are you really yes. Who Do you play? I play Gary Coleman. He goes and sees comedy. Yes and really yes andriessen the trailer. It is yeah what do you do. You tell jokes yeah. I'm afraid to give too much away because of the NDA but but basically basically yeah right. I don't know I feel like you're you're safe. You didn't say anything no not really nothing that you couldn't get from the trailer in the trailer. I haven't seen the movie now. Oh my gosh. I can't wait for it. Though October fourth yeah I'm going to be in Denver and that's great because bell doesn't want to see it unless you alone awesome yeah steph right there all right yeah that is great road stuff going to the movies alone. Own is such great road stuff. Yeah yes to feel weird about Chad eight. You want anything. It's just interesting. Could she's right there and I know that you're with Bert Kreischer and the other day yeah but that's different it is. I'm going for the Pulitzer okay. I'm going for an MTV movie award Jay okay. We were talking about our parents. We were talking about coming out of Boston. Yes and how it what a rough place it is and then I guess we could get into the depression staff Steph if you feel like it. Did you see the opening of the did you see the opening of the Great Depression. I did okay so that's what I thought. Comedians comedians would love and do you sitting on your stool me bombing to open a special yeah. It's not very long though thought about it quite a bit okay because I was like there's a version where that special because when you sit down I'm actually Oh. He's GonNa do something funny because you can sit funny yeah so I recorded a few ways ways in my mind okay and then decided that the way it is in the specialist perfect. Oh good what it's worth yeah but it's opens with you having a bad a bad set at a room that was really hard to do bad him owing now like you really so you're yeah. Do you still feel that way about Boston. I do even when I would do the comedy studio. It'd be like I I feel like I'm going to have to up my energy or something. Oh really. I found that room that that I almost had to differ do this before you dig a hole because the audience is so hot that you want to see whether you're jokes are any good so you take your own by digging a hole like making very uncomfortable. I wish I comfortable that room yeah to dig my way out. I still feel like a psychic deficit when I'm in Boston mm-hmm so my parents are coming to visit as I mentioned to you and we joked that they're the Indiana Jones and there is even though I love them and I wanna be clear about that for a couple days is like Kryptonite. It's interesting that Superman from Krypton that's where his parents are yes and when he comes to Earth so leaves home home yeah any flourishes and then if you present him with Iraq from his home yes he loses power wow and even though I love my parents today's medicine isn't that crazy wow and that hit me my Dick Explore. I don't have a Dick I and I was like Oh my God my parents not by any fault of theirs. It has a crip tonic effect on me and I'll either get really funny because I revert to feeling like a child and I'll I'll be really silly or I'll be like kind of low. Wow for a while and I ha I sort of have to remember myself. That is really interesting. Can Can we go back to our cause. I'm obsessed with Seinfeld the way you seem to be yeah I feel that as great as Jerry was as a stand up in nineteen ninety whenever seinfeld started it was almost like Larry. David was his the earth's Sun. I know exactly what you're talking about right and mullany when he did this podcast the second time we talked about how his show didn't work and he summarizes it very simply. He said I needed a Larry. David Wright the guys like Seinfeld sort of flourish in appearing with somebody. That's a little bit more. I don't know bitter. You're right or something harder. Yes that's how they met as Larry wrote Jerry material for his birthday. I didn't know that I can't make this material work. It seems it's your voice. I wrote it for you and gave them five minutes of material. Isn't that a great gift Wa. I feel like I could give you that Alaska. We know what the jokes were baggy sock. What what if it was his Halloween new interior famous routine or the taxicab how long these ships yeah and then the chemical symbol for Boron? My favorite job was so okay so Seinfeld. I'm I'm in the KALDOR parking lot. Remember Kaldor and Burlington of course that's mistaking it for Zehr. Okay remember foreman teak yeah a little pass form and Tiki okay outdoor and I had the book sign language. This is what I went to of course. Isn't it interesting that no other comedian was so audacious as dealin cover on it and sell salad that is odd that is brazen and in the intro a crime remember the delivery is up to you yeah so he goes remember gratitude. Remember it but I was so desperate gave better as I am with menus. Wow now and we just this little room. During a Supernova of combat he had a bit there to bits in there that made me think I could stand up okay because it was clean. Yes and my mother is in the car and I read her the bit and it's about God being the first matchmaker he's like how you hate being set up and then he's like that's what God was doing with Adam Adam and eve and the line is he's talking to Adam. He's like I think I think she had a thing with a snake but I'm pretty sure it's over and I read that and I was like you can say that like on stage like it seat. I love it. Don't get me wrong but it's so sort of soft and cute yeah like a cute line. The other joke is so I don't need soap on a rope. Why 'cause it rhyme goes? I don't need shaving cream on a wooden beam. I I and I was like I do this. I can use stand why because it rhymes is such a great observation times so true true soap on a rope I think even goes. Is this a big problem. He also has this is. This is a joke that is so my mother's job like her sense of of humor like sarcastic and you'll get it. She was like someone gave me a shower radio because that's where I WANNA be dancing. Yes a slick service next to pass. Yes that is if I gave my mother who is not a stand up comedian to mind all right right shower radio she would say because that's where you want to be dancing on a slick surface next last like you wouldn't say that perfectly do they were there was one comedian who I was really influenced by early on and still whenever I am very impressed with how he writes the Paul Dangelo had this routine called called suck world which was an adult amusement park and it went on for a long time. It was a very long bit five seven ten minutes whatever we wanted to do he would just keep adding to it and I remember this. One playground bet yeah. They WanNa get that term going bets that you can do yes however long yes and this one comedian said you know that I I had never seen the origins of the joke that you know that jokes started with one line and that was that was huge for me. I was like Oh you don't write the entire joke in one yeah one sitting you keep adding and yes it was yes yeah. Yes somebody I recently. It's a waste of time I'm if you fill in notebook with this joke and you go up there in a bomb. I recently wrote an whole routine. It almost never works. I wrote a whole routine about Blue Apron Apron and about what a waste it is like. I still might do it because you just the prevalence. How fancy are you that you need someone to ship you one chicken in cutlets? I'll try it again but don't say chickens say cutlet one cutlet yeah and I think I was like someone comes over your house and your and it's covered in packing peanuts. We'll wrap and boxes and they're like you just move in and it's like no dinner for for one. I mean sounds like it should work but the problem with it is your to deep into it. I don't like the feeling of starting a bit funnier than dinner for one supper. Yeah I just had no not for one just supper. I just had supper yeah yeah. We're lunch or breakfast but the for one and takes takes away because you've already so I wonder if you say just because I know you love it. You have a bit where you go. I have the body of a griffin door yeah and and then you said I have a girlfriend door body but Hoffa puff sole right yeah and I watching it just casually for fun went soul of a hustle puff. Yeah I swapped swapped yeah. What do you think I don't like it? Tell me why I knew you'd have an opinion. This isn't me wanting to score and getting your act. I just knew you thought Hustle puff 'cause pop sort of sounds like poof billy billy Elliot and the soul of Hoffa puff. I can hear Seinfeld going like stick on the joke. That's the line they're laughing when you're saying hustle puff is when they're laughing and soul yeah in his lap. Yeah I just talking this no but the rhythm I'm so used to that it sounds right. You know something sounds right and it could be right right like uh even when that's how you seem to learn how to spell things when you're a kid just doesn't sound right or look. It doesn't look right when you look at it like the word. People took me months month's two P. E. O. P. L. E. It's like no other words or conscious Yeah Con Science on science yeah or them. I still can't write rhythm. I've never can't spell the word type. PNEUMATIC BIONIC RED HOT hot. You two headed monster red hot. U2 headed monster. I need so badly for them. I need that for names. That's a gift I met my neighbor. Learning Lisa and I go my name's Pete and she goes. I'm never going to remember like she was just being honest and I go well. My name is Pete. We live on the same street that was five years ago. I've never heard same. Remember remember Regan's Hook it on and I I. I just said about how in the car she didn't know the bet on on X. Work Ed for Mac. She record is right above of your head. Do you think he's the goat greatest of all time. Yeah my goat a goat. Somebody feed me a discarded luminance Cam. I need a snack. It's not discarded Corn Corn Neck Cancun some goat wild. If you can do an impression and it's funny Seinfeld Gary Brian Regan Wow you do a great regan we use it and you also go right for him. Oh dirty rig. I hear this the big yellow ones too goddamn son. It's a cup of fucking dirt move move on wow yeah. It doesn't improve it it ruins. It doesn't improve it dude when I saw Jim Gaffe again and I think I've said this to Jim so it's not like a dirty secret when he was on Conan. He has his great bed he goes. I like bread but when I go to a restaurant yeah suddenly I love of the record I'm Christian at the time like a church person right. Get the record CD hop it in the same aim bed but he goes. I like bread but when I go to a restaurant suddenly I fucking love bread and my heart went out my but why just sunk that low so I was like I thought now it's clean advocate wasn't clean. That's so interesting I once sent away on Ebay for a VHS of this person just had collected over the years these obscure rare Seinfeld appearances and one of them must have been shot without his knowledge because Seinfeld was modifying a lot of the a lot of the words fucking wearing glasses and it it was you still have this tape now no loss I lost the fucking tape and one of the moves but this guy had like interviews on the equivalent of the local evening magazine. Wow Yeah with Jerry Seinfeld. This guy was a a seinfeld fanatic footage of assigned L. Let's have this conversation. Are you ready. I'm very excited Seinfeld alphabet about Superman and he couldn't this one part to work this doesn't it. Are you excited. If it's like a great little setup to a riddle that you would love okay but it might have been a superman joke that Seinfeld was doing on this. VHS So there's another layer to this okay the thing I like shut up. Wow what a great lake okay. Here's the bet sorry my wet toothpick. Just touched your hand. I'm sorry I'll pure L. or the giving everybody the people that think they're not contagious. I'm not contagious yeah. How do you determine that it just they just want to be like don't cast me right yeah? Love Me. Please love me. I don't say I'm not contagious. I just please love me. At least I've me he goes. Superman has basically the premises Superman asiedu everything yeah which I agree that's why is this shitty superhero and he can do it which is why superannuated interjecting my own commentary and then he's talking about how Superman doing this but he also has to do that do this but then there's a new dangerous got to do that and then he goes. Jimmy and Lois are often a fucking cave somewhere huge laugh. This is the Matt had to have been and then he goes. I dropped the FARC and it doesn't work. Jimmy and Lois are often a cave somewhere doesn't work I to this day. I'm like do do one fuck right either. Do One fuck but there's also the I remember my mom when she would see me doing fs chiefs and she would say that's not you and as much as I didn't want it to be right right. It just didn't find coming out of my. I find that to do that with the vowel. Sometimes you're so good you say we don't like controlling it really is you're not sweet you you are often good and sweet but I want you to be free. Wow existentialism but I say that because my whole life my mother called me the peacekeeper which is great to be seen but how about you guys make some fucking big Ryan. How about not labeling me? I was known as the healer brother we we all dance. You healer the healer. I just told you I was the peacekeeper from the sermon middle. Brother Max was the peacekeeper you had a healer and a peacekeeper yeah the Goldman family I can do all right and rick was our leader. You had a leader no but if anybody was our leader it was the oldest brother who has taken over that role and Burghley said think fuck. Don't say it yeah a great note. Yes I think you could make Jimmy Jimmy and Lois or in a cave someway. Yes absolutely I forgot about that. Think fuck. Don't tip yeah a good one yeah. Do you think he invented that. No I think he told me an acting teacher told him it's really good yeah but I'm also like Seinfeld off staff more tip and I love it. What's that if tomorrow's tip yeah you can do it? That's a good one right. I like clean comedy. I I'm just like it's so hard to get people to laugh yeah and if you can do it do it right. I'm sort of like any means necessary yeah but I also feel like I don't swear that much in real life so it would be put on but but there was also the trend I remember in the in the nineties when I was in Boston was was using frequent and frigging frigging and it was just like just didn't thing we'd go really he's and Rice and oh Christ what yeah we said cheese and rice. I love that stuff. That's what paintings odds reaction to some of the petty sin thing was that girls would men and women would have anal sex instead of agile sex virgins and was that God was up there going like I specifically within the but Oh that's that's beautiful. What about the have you ever one of my favorite impressions was the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and the reaction of the blowjob people 'cause sodomy was blowjobs and anal but he killed everybody? blowjobs Anna Anna people alongside people's said it's just it was just blow blowjob you lumbermen with the anal the the freaky Ainhoa people that's great. That's a bit about Noah's. The flood had to kill the evil people and animals. He's like what's an evil draft. I meeting more leaves than to draft absolutely that's. How do you giraffe? Oh Eddie. Is that doesn't work and I bet you. I hope you like it okay. I have a feeling you'll like it. 'cause it's silly. I think I it's now just become part of the bit is calling them out for not liking it because I go what if God loves chickens and they don't laugh if I was in the audience right away sat up I would be so in what if he made the earth and it was like people share people's people give me flightless bird and then he comes back and he was like bring me my billions of chickens and we're all eating and it's an act out and we go I love it never works. I'm watching your special reminded me. The there's the confident slow delivery every that actually makes people think this must be good as opposed to what I do. which is I kind of? Get sweaty and louder. Oh you do that bit slower. I bet it'll work probably or maybe you'd never know what's a nugget. God says where are they what what's a nugget that's great and then just the Oh you let some of them. Roam freely before you murder them. Some of them are free range Nice. That's good then you kill them. Yes okay so they get a brief taste of glory that I made for them and then I I liked I liked it. They're they are supposed to be at the top of the food. I made this beautiful little little big little red and gold no little Gogo. What I thought was interesting about your depression the fatigue I I remember when we hung out when you word and that you not to no no no when you were press? I understand that you're still I feel like it's similar similar to to addiction where you're in recover. That's what I mean. That's exactly yeah. It's like you said back when you couldn't handle booze right yeah yes and like you're still chemically wired to that sort of thing so you're in recovery right so you're having a what's the language when you were in the throes of it yeah and we hung out you are a six foot six muscular man. Thank you and you looked like Yoda. You looked like iota like small and slouched. Yes laundry yes I used to. I had dinner with pile of laundry. I used to struggle to keep up with with shoddy. Who's like ten inches shorter than me and it? It looked like she was my care giver and that is it's like going back to my father. WHO's still if I say? My therapist said he'll like we were saying what the drinking thing right. It'll be like you don't Carl are like Oh. That's so funny one of not that it's about convincing people like my parents depressions disease who cares like don't waste wasted time yeah but the fatigue it hit me that I was like that seems like something that they could understand because it's physical right. I mean of course that's. It's like a symptom. That's happening internally. You talk a little bit about well. Just the smallest things were unreasonable to undertake. Hey just walking my dog around the block and I remember thinking to myself why it can't be this far from second half. If two thirds of yeah and those blocks feel bigger they feel yes so huge yeah and and I'm tired and I would have to psych myself up into into walking these dogs. They're bouncing around and they can't get enough of it and I'm like wait up. Guys New York has depression manifested in a weird well. You're in this little apartment and there's not a lot of light. Yes yes and walk-ups like when last time Valentine we're living in New York. We were on the fourth floor and it was hard for me. As the beginning I'm like walking the dog and the park yeah then after that half a block to the park yeah and then I was like you've you never seen the I'll take you down to P and then back up. Four flights has to be a good walk around the block. Yes so there's there's some is sometimes called New York toothache. There's something sort of aching about it and solid that's in different neighborhoods. The neighborhood I live in now is very energizing icing but I I let's go back to the idea of being in recovery yeah. Do you still are you at a point now where you don't have to be as vigilant about your recovery as you you once were or is it on autopilot like I feel like I need to do the things that got me out of it every day or I'm on playing with fire. I hear that I go through. I feel it on the wind. Sometimes I like alcohol will show up in my dreams or something. I'm thinking attention to my dream. That's interesting. I'm like if I'm dreaming about in some way. Do you ever really listen to the book that helped me quit to go out in a dream. What do you mean go? Oh No. I'm pretty good at Dream Titas pretty similar to real so good to know I. I WON'T CHEAT ON VAL IN MY dream. I mean I'm like I'm pretty. It's me I won't cheat on I. I'm faithful full to vow you ever Schneider. I was telling Peach Day about my mom taking me on a stakeout of a friend of hers. Who's mistress lover whose lover she was married and her lover was having an affair on her? My mom at eight years old took me on the stakeout which could've taken gotten me taken away. Yes right. That's the other great thing about your actors. It just was a different even though you're older than I am. I relate everything old you are but you talk about the seventies. When I talk about my youth I might go with the eighties? I think I'm at least ten years older than you. That's why yeah I have to do the eighties like right now. I have not at forty are you. I'm forty. Okay them eight years older than you okay yeah so close but you had it a little bit. Yes worse well a little bit worse but you also are. You're an old you're an old forty like not as far as your looks but as far as your your morality no you you look Super Young Comedians. We look young men. We're really lucky we're baby is the sleep. It's the sleep yes. That's what I love in your special where you're like. I ed retirement comedy only have to do it an hour a day this gary I know we talked about it the first time you did this podcast but I saw you at the comedy connection and it's one of my favorite story. I I think about it all the time. I have to like caveat it by being like I'm not in. I love with Gary but I talk about what you were wearing. What was I wearing a Harvard Maroon Harvard sweatshirt? Wow Yeah with the football on it yeah yeah and I remember I still have the Harvard switcher still break into. I'm sorry she's tweeting. Ah She's heard all your anecdotes. She's into the abyss elsewhere. Gosh she's elsewhere we need to we don't need to write together. We just need to hang out. Yes you remind me I love it. I'm comes out but I love how go to one we hang out. I know I love. I feel Eurotrash. Yeah people are going to really enjoy this episode. I knew they were yeah. I woke up this morning and I was so excited. I WANNA want to go back to that because I love the story of how you saw me when you were thinking of doing comedy because I think a lot of time with depression your self criticism the system and you're not objective in your judgment of your work that's right and so over the years I've had to rely on people like you and Kyrie and my friend Brian Koppelman and Mike Big Leah to give me an objective yeah or todd glasses is great at telling me I'm I'm good enough. I'm trying not we tried. I teach todd glass a game that Vallon I do all the time which is like we sing any song name and name a song. It doesn't matter it's raining men. It's raining men Hallelujah. It's raining men. Hey It's the idea you turn any song into New York Org New York. It's better with a song that like refrains at the end like you sing it like ah you're going into the encore. That's when I explain that bit for about forty five minutes this way by Aerosmith. How does it and we need a song with a good ending? Oh right right happy birthday to us due to do there's a good example and we were stoned on Todd's podcast and we tried to play that and we never got the king of silly and it was better that he is the king of silly he has a lot of times I go to his house and literally literally roll on the floor laughing. We were doing this. I do this joke about. I make an analogy and I point out at what a solid analogy is and then I say which is unusual because I was actually kicked out of analogy school which is like. I don't know blank but does so good. It's very similar to a C Martin Bet right because I studied English language in college. So few people can speak with possess my word that's perfect pizzazz that is a great SAZ is he's also back when this was like mind blowing the original sat on. I never heard that it's gotta be on. Let's get small or no. I I would remember that Hailey. That's maybe it's possible he also has he goes. I say I said it all the great so grits Plateau Plateaux Yeah Yeah I love somebody somebody. I know. This isn't the intellectual town. Somebody came up to me and asked me if I'm by and I speak a little Spanish. I don't know I couldn't sit right so five but I don't WanNa look stupid so say yes okay great. We're having some people come over and I'm like Oh good Spaniards and Mexicans and then the tag which it doesn't even work so it'll be fine I because it's an electoral town go over speak a little Spanish and this is what I'm into now. It's so good so I think it'll be fun. After the show go over speak a little Spanish so sally Sally I love it. I know you were saying you were. I know what we were saying before we went on the standard but we're you don with this tangent yeah because you said you needed the burglaries and the means to remind you of your value and I just wanted to say and I'm sure you get this. All the time gaffe again goes alcoholism resumes the only disease that people are like nervous around you. It's like if you eat mayonnaise it okay if I eat man. It's all go outside with me and I'm about to do that to you. Because I was experienced. How how I experienced depression the past couple of days and I grabbed a book following upward by Richard Rober one of my favorites and I was Gonna read it because he has great chapter about parents and like feeling weird about your family and there was a letter from a fan in there and I read the letter I must have saved it from for a reason from a guy named Nicholas Shadow to Nicholas Nicholas? If you still listen to the show this oh sweet and it was it was exactly what I do for you like it reminds you of who you are. They could goes like I listened to your podcast Kath and what I loved about it wasn't wasn't some wisdom. It wasn't Pete Intellectual Pete Remembering the perfect quote in the right moment. He said that it was just the spirit of openness between me and the guests where it was like. Let's just talk about their be. Let's just talk about depression. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about weird. Boundary List parents parents and let's be okay about it and let's and it's okay to be open and safe and vulnerable and loving to yourself and that's what got to him and I was was like it. Just it just edified totally built me back up so I'm happy to do that. I hope that's what I'm doing. The Oh my gosh yes yes so anyway I was saying Oh yeah my what was it. I was going to apologize because you're talking about. You're in remission. Basically you WANNA talk about mission yeah yeah and then when I saw you. We haven't talked about this on the podcast. Remember I felt horrible. It was just like got a time in our lives where every comedian new it's like the movie could be called. Something's wrong with Gary. I mean we're all just sort of like but we're also not not sure what to do right. I'd love to hear how you reheat your meal. I I tell you I listened to. It's called this naked mind. It's the book that helped helped me realize that I didn't have to drink if I didn't want to. Wow and I love that book it's by Anti Grace I listen to it on audio so that's my way of going back. If I'm feeling tempted or whatever I and then what are how do you reheat your meal. What what do you do every day to stay? Sober won't won't two things I wanted to to do a Steve Martin bit now would bring up the idea that I didn't realize I was that bad off but during the remission I've heard many people say like Joe List for instance said I really thought the last time I saw you was going to the last time my sawyer what I love about Comedians. That's what I'm hinting at as we were all like nervous and I I didn't know what to do and this is actually to my father's credited my father's. There's like call the club and then my father's voices also like take Gary to dinner and one of the weird things about when I was divorced. Nobody wanted to hang hang out with me. People don't like being with people right right and people don't like being with depress people it sucks. I'm not proud of this. I was like I'm going to take care of dinner and I it was and I set the the the intention I am not going to fix Gary Right. We're going to eat pasta right like I know what it feels like. Find it to be. I said I WANNA eat like a heavy meal and I remember I do remember that meal probably not as well as I do not as well as you but uh I sent banana loafs. Yes see we're all just guessing yeah yeah. I sent you loafs. Yes of Banana Bread Yeah but at that point that cake right. It's a cake yeah. I love those. You know you're back. When I sent you those loves she said thanks for the loaves and it's really how many cups of sugar you can address before? We just got honest this cake. This love has his transition. Please address the low by its proper names. This is okay. Yes healthy all the sudden because the low barrier yeah we're all just guessing and we all go like food the company right but the thing about depression my psychiatrist the term he uses as he calls it Fo- dementia where Nice I have such vague memories of that time so I don't remember the dinner as well as that's why I wasn't. I wasn't putting it on you to remember. I was going to let you off the hook I appreciate but when I saw you at Largo I told myself not to but I couldn't help myself yeah. There was at one point where I said Gary is the part of you. That's noticing the depression depressed and this was very helpful to me. You said yes right so my teacher Ramdas whose pictures up there that's his teaching so when I'm angry or sad I was just doing this. I I'm just just this morning. I woke up and said Davao in the way that I experienced it. I'm back. I don't know why wow the Indiana Jones owns boulders here. I should be worse but I'm better I woke up and I just Kinda felt so I had my own mini back but when I my depression so mild eld or clinical. I guess we could say that I can play the is the part of me. That's noticing it depressing. I know but I think it was very helpful to man. I think it's helpful for people listening. There's like degrees and at a certain degree that game does not work right like when I'm good mood and I'm how happy and healthy deep spirituality merges with a good mood and euphoria and Ania even perfectly perfectly yes like if I'm having coffee with vowel and maybe we'll split a doughnut. A Universe is one thing like when you're low and especially in a in in a medical way yes when you said no I was like I better check myself before I recognize l. but then when I saw you at Largo you said that thing you said to me now so I can see that the the witnessing presence in your consciousness is never depressed or not depressed just is but you were you were lost. If I'm correct correct absolutely is that how you feel yes yes and so the things I have to do. I I forget what the what the acronym was but there was somebody somebody who who suffered from depression who I met after a show and she said ask yourself when you're not feeling well on my hungry angry angry tired or there was one other thing that they were all helpful but and so I asked myself those questions but then there's also this thing where yeah I feel lousy. Have I exercised today and usually the answer is no. I haven't exercised today all right see how you feel. After you exercise wow and at this point thank God after I exercise Oh that was it really yeah wha what three time for a couple years now Paula poundstone did a book and it was like a something like a ten year she looked into everybody's techniques for getting happy. Wow she said. Exercise was the number one thing that worked yeah and it can be as as little as eighteen minutes the album I've never gone under eighteen minutes. It's probably ten your phone. You don't want to tell me that the problem is the guy who just exercises ten minutes a day and he's happy. You're so funny area. I could show you in the notebook on my desk. One of my goals is just get on this elliptical for ten minutes. I once bought on a treadmill and farmhouse and I was going to use it every day and I how much time did I go in between the first time Emma used it and the second time I used it the second time I used it. It didn't turn on and the reason was mice. We're living in it. You're the funniest man. Can you believe that now. It's a house for mice. It became a little mouse hotel planet of the mice Sich not a treadmill red millennium more. It's a Best Western for Mickey and Regan Tatas. He taught all of US synonyms and SP specificity humor. Absolutely it's a Best Western for Mickey. Yes yes it's giving the audience one step puzzles and they go click click click and they get these little micro heads. My were were for paying attention to their rewarded and they reward themselves. Wow that fun. When will you write a book on Comedy One More Pete Holmes write a book on comedy? Do you want to have an interest in that because you're urinalysis is so so spot on the only thing that concerns me is the idea which I guess we do anyhow and it makes us work harder but we're giving away the secrets not the secrets but the the math of it yeah. It's not as magical. I always found that the second time I saw a comedian do the joke that I thought yeah. I'm like Oh. It's not as it's not as bad that when I watched your Conan then I watched your special to this day. I'll go like he's going to say out. You know what I mean. I'll right right. Why why can't we just but then I I actually changed gears in my head and went now? He's playing satisfaction. Yeah like enjoy enjoy the site right but it always bummed me out when a comedian would have a special and then a series and in the series they would use is one of the jokes from the special. Oh Yeah I took an Improv class and some of the SAM's work there bits into the Improv broke my heart art so tacky guys. That's where dwarves Improv is Alves. Yes yes it'd be a bad alf but don't try a and sneak some dwarf shit in here all that such agrees guys walk on the snow chopped down trees and go my wife Beard we speaking of which that is the classic so my thought on that is we can give this how magicians feel too by the way give away secrets. They give secrets to one another all the time because it's good for the beast right if I if we teach as you do with your tweets and such the technique of synonyms are funny we get to watch better better comedy and if it does flood the market and the value of diamond is down right. They have to develop a new diamond. Yes and that's good better comedians. We all we all have to learn because that's what we're doing. Isn't what Bob Hope was doing. You know what I mean. Oh I there were different twists and turns and tricks right and now those same silly and as as weird as it sounds what we're doing will sound silly yes sir. I know it's an interesting but you hear a lot of Comedians. While you heard a lot of the comedians on we start when I started in the ninety s they were complaining about the the scene yeah and there was bad alternative comedy but there was incredible alternative comedy in the mail made a long list of what the heck is right out of it yeah the best rest of it is what we're driving now which is it took all the Schmaltz and the stickiness yeah out of eighties comedy and yeah and made it it because you watch the eighties comics on Youtube and it's like oh it doesn't hold up yeah and some of the comedians still right are still doing that eighties only livery I know and you can always tell any ladies gentlemen foulkes Yeah Yeah when I watch especially now that I'm forty and I watch a comedy special not that long ago and was a young person and I was like really he kind of tearing into it and I was like this is this. Is it like you're overreacting. You have atrophied like you need to listen right so you need to be okay with change and would be wise if you watch a young person and you're like what is this. They didn't even like often it'll be with with the millennial Daniel guys will be like where's the craft. Where's has this motherfucker ever been on a set? That's Glengarry Glen Ross but you're like wow this motherfucker ever been on the road saying we're like right. You should've taken that to Cleveland Sex nights and see if it will come together right okay fine but you also need to go. This is what's happening. It's going into the marrow of comedy and you need to go with it. Yes like otherwise we just become weird old men that go like and then we're doing our folks. Yes you gotta keep growing yes twice. I see this in music to like. I know it's I don't know why I'm embarrassed said I'm an Eminem Fan but like I listened to his new embarrassed fan. I'm crystal has a bit about how gems goes. How forty is it to be like Eminem one of the great I am forty how and I just had to own that yeah but the EMINEM's craft he I know he's got great grandma's obsession? He's very obsessed right and his words and but if you listen to kamikaze he's he's he's he evolved the sound certainly sounds more like but as long as I feel like as long as you can talk eminem for as long as you want in your forties okay but you also have doing them about to do it you also have to acknowledge that you've listened to every Kendrick Lamar album. Yes sure drop other people yes and then people will listen to what you're saying right even if you haven't just say Kendrick Lamar chance I don't even say the rapid you say chance. I love this. I I love this is great today. I say is the greatest dream that I was opening for chance rapper really. That's the other thing I I feel. I just did a music fast and I was up there and I started sweating and I was like Gary. Sorry could have done that gig with sweat free really a huge room. I just feel like I'm really just enjoying your surefootedness and just being like this is what I do and you can listen. Well I go up and I'm like what's going on Chris Farley character trying to like fill the room with my energy. I hope this doesn't ever fall into arrogance but there's this thing about doing it for twenty six years on October Eighth Wow arrate Knicks Knicks comedy style. I love that you started a room. I'd still be scared to play. Oh Yeah it was it was they used to call it. Thunder dull founded dome can and went on after Knox in the Thunderdome so I can't believe I'm from Boston. There's twenty six years and the Reps. How many shows I've done that? I have this. It's a little bit arrogant but to say that if if this doesn't work it's not my fault yeah. It's this group of people yeah. It's worked too many times for it to me be Yeah I. I love that I'm an audience blamer and I'm not I'm not not proud of it. I am yeah people. Seinfeld is one of those guys where he's really on is never the audience. I'm like Jerry. It's the audience audience if they're not laughing at Jerry Seinfeld. It's the audience the audience but then comedian he gets off stage and governors and he's like how big do you yes has the failure. Listen Up and I'm like that moment man. I love that was fantastic enough the fucking phone yeah oh I love it. What did you adjust your smits tastes meds? Oh man changed my sleds a few times I had I had a really good run with Wellbutrin Zoloft from around two thousand seven. I was the room that pitched on naming Wellbutrin such a good name who is in that room well well well well Fauria yeah well reminds me of that that drug that that Bart took in that one episode focusing yeah focus in yeah it's great ours does have criminal the grabbing all get out of bed criminal. It's so fucking good. Oh that's great. Here's a better question. We'll talk about mad. I won't forget to talk you talk about being a kid lonely tree throws by yourself just as a you're not you're the authority of you right. Do you think there was a nurture thing to do. You think that like I don't know how to think about depression. Was it like growing when you and then there were situations like you mentioned that your mom wasn't home so you were alone. Ally I was alone. You think it like we're not experts. We're not neuroscientists. I'm just saying it did that was nurture part of it definitely yeah. Definitely I think that we were broke and it was the seventies is one everybody had to conserve energy so the house is always dark and it was cold because of the the heat situation and so that's you go into that and that's what you look forward to living in a Tim Burton movie Yes and then my dad left my parents divorced when I was one on and a half so there was probably some some trauma in my mother as I was in the the womb and I there was a book written recently recently called called Dandelions and orchids in which certain kids are dandelions what you put them around them. They're they're going to grow and I felt like an orchid and this doctor SABs on the rocks. This doctor felt that there was that there were things things that could go on while you were in Utero. It's that could affect of you. I think my mom was probably stressed by her marriage falling apart I have after seeing my mother is a World War Two refugee. She was like how in like a refugee camp born born into a refugee camp so she has a hall of this anxiety and stuff from that situation of corn. This is arrogant. 'cause we don't know how Leila's going to be but she's a very very happy Gigi Glee baby and Val and I when she was pregnant. I don't think we've laughed more like it was a great riff. You guys live together so love we so beautifully early and standing next to her at Largo enjoying laughing with somebody at somebody else I remember Paul. Liangelo was the guy used used to sit with his his girlfriend. Watch him perform. We would laugh together and we used to one time we played this game. Let's try not to laugh at these jokes. We've seen and so many times. Let's try not to laugh. We couldn't do it so good. So incredible always felt valid. I would watch brands Sullivan who opened for me for a long time. We heard his bets a hundred thousand times right. Couldn't yeah not laugh Yeah Douglas Jesus Christ. You don't even know the setup. It's such a great we have a child's book child's book a book for the baby and his by Douglas and I always go by Douglas Jesus he gets a message on Grindr says I'm HIV positive top. He's like eighty two or something. I'm looking for a night of fun. No strings attached changed Douglas and broncos Douglas Jesus Christ why can't situation with more strings attached act. Oh my gosh is a terrific Joe. I've heard it a million and I'm just saying now and I can't not the fact that vow is the kind of person that can watch stand up that she seen before this this is true love. She'll send me an email subject our NBC riffing bits bits and she'll just kinda right out things that I added never asked her to do this. That's true love that should have been in my vow every comedian and the crowd would have been like where's mahi-sefat. You know what I mean just like that man. That's really helpful yeah you looked at she. Would it kill you the email some genie gaffe again is grated typing. That's another one yeah when that actually set the model for me when I saw genie and the crowd with a notebook now obviously not everybody has to do this but she's a comedy person. She's a writer and I was like wow you can do that like two people. Oh Yeah we say that all the time we were like we share this life like we do it. Val My hardest hitting joke right now is just something else that tomato you ever have to poop so bad. Up Second Wow it kills and then I say Valley Road at Man. I love jokes like that. Isn't it great yeah and she said she didn't say it for his AK- talking about he really bad and you you find makes a little more room or something like that. You don't have to his this ban. Has that ever happened to you. That's a will joke. Oh really he goes you ever want to take a ship because you'll just be hungry later. Oh my word no oh I've ever had that. He has attack guys. I think he goes. That's some broke shipped or something yeah like. He never heard him say that. It's amazing out space. Thank you feel hungry. Wow Yeah Chapelle has a bit about you ever bust a nut and then you're hungry afterwards. There's these vacating your book. That happened pits when I heard him say that was like you just just lost. I saw you do a joke. I don't know where but how you were saying not worth worth it yeah. I don't know if that's in a special. I got down now not worth it owned. Oh my gosh. It's like sometimes when you masturbate. It's not worth the shame like you go to the post office and you're avoiding eye. Contact with priests and children. Children shouldn't be priest and children but it's something like I was like yeah. When I came I said not worth? It didn't feel good eh clean up and I'm like Oh my God. What is the chemistry? That's going on after you finish where you just Louis Richard Lewis why I don't know why nine year old connects with which we should remember him doing a joke that I just I know it was funny. Even though I really didn't understand the thing but he would say he would say I love you. I want to spend the rest of my world with you and you got any waffles. It's like Muren's bet when his wife left he said thanks for helping out HA. He's like all I could say was thanks for helping out or something like that. Wow I really related to that. Wow isn't that funny. That is so funny only so you you're saying it was a little bit of nurture. I think that's interesting yeah so the depression whole life father was born in a mental a nattery. Where are you going to say the booby hatch a notary Thunderdome? Get these nunnery now my my grandmother was mentally. Ill severely mentally on at that time time that I've been I've been saying to much acclaim recently that I'm a I'm a Vegan and mentally ill and there's never been a better time in history to be. Those goes to think that's hilarious. I didn't know your yeah well wild since January two thousand eighteen great what made the a sentence didn't what was it Michael Pollen wrote this essay any quoted. I want to say Steven pinker but it's not Steven pinker. It's Peter Singer Dr San Antonio Similar names are similar yeah Peter Singer who says anger pinker yeah so we so we we made this agreement that if if somebody wasn't as smart as us or a lot not as smart as us we're gonNA treat them as equals and what our animals but people people who are just a lot dumber than US yeah and it was over. Wow Yeah that that I had a similar about how we don't care about chickens because they're staring at the sun all day but I saw I think it was on Netflix. There was a philosophy documentary where he was like eating getting a sentient being like chickens ben eating sentient being that feels fear and feels pain even though you could eat something else and he's like it's indefensible and the word indefensible indefensible. I was like wow N- really sort of is and I think that's one of the reasons why indefensible life is life is hard. I I feel like people they can't defend it is in its you WANNA defended. Get out there in here not dependable we would. Oh my Gosh I would love to have an Ernie and Bert relationship. You and I yeah non separate non sex yeah same same room like we were college roommates separated by an end table a an understanding my word. Would we get any sleep three a M. That's why they call it a sleepover leap over you don't sleep you WANNA sleep. It's over. We're GONNA Gaggle. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA gossip yeah. I love a good sleepover valid. I do feel like we have sleep over what I get in bed with valid night I'm like she says this is too sweet. I like the sweet she goes. Yeah I get to have a sleepover with my my best read at all. Just it's so nice. Just please don't ever put that on facebook because I never would yeah because here's a because it'll make people feel terrible parable about their marriages no yeah about AIDS. That's heavy right. It's heavy when I was not with VAL nightline cuddle up to a shot. I say the same thing what that's the stuff that's so sweet. Language Matters Yeah. It's important we. I think maybe be fifteen times today fifteen times a day. This is kind of crazy. I'll say you're my best friend or she'll say or I'll go best friend and she goes best friend and then I go. Only I and what's weird is when I'm up I go like I don't have a deep bench of friends and I'm okay with it. I feel self sufficient. The past couple of days I was low and it hit me in a totally different way same fact I was like I don't have anybody there are two things that can really make give that hit hard. Okay not having as many jokes as you thought you had right goes our good friend and then not having as many true friends as he thought he had buddy. I just asked my dad because I was like. Where did I get this model because I'm an achiever? I'm not resigning to that. I'm always like I said a ten minutes on the elliptical is one of my goals. One of my other bills is be a better friend like a reason less almost like just be a friend not for a reason his fucking to hang out with somebody. It don't whatever to see somebody but I was like. Where did I get this and I was like I'm not pointing a finger? I'm just saying it was modeled. After my dad I called him and I was like Dad who are your friends and he was like are and he answered it almost exactly how how I would at lower. I'm happy to say I do have friends but there have been parts of it. He Goes Davos Business Yeah. That's what he's my dad only had his wife. I I know my dad only has my mom and they don't like each other and I was like no wonder where my my dad my brother my dad. She says a Freudian slipped. They like each my father. My brother is so much older than me. Wow is thirteen years older than me and dad role and anyhow I remember him. I'm saying that doesn't have a friend. I know it's just as wife and and it's just because I'm an achiever so it's my personality type of test is boring. It's called the Graham. My Dad has also an achiever and cheever. It's very important that they have at least one person there that they don't have to achieve four and that's vow is like my safe place. My Dad has my mom not so safe right. That's a shower radio roast. Yeah what is funny that is if you give someone a shower radio and they to your face faith like because that's where you wanna be singer like so my dad really it'll. She's a shower radio. Wow it'll it'll hurt the fields. Wow Can. I ask you one question. That just occurred to me. Do you know how deep in crisis I was when I did my one one crashing episode really way yeah. I was really sick man really I did it because I was so touched that you that you invited me and I love the show but I didn't do it for the three hundred twenty dollars. I did it for the money. I needed the money kid now. I didn't WANNA say no but I was really really sick at the time. Wow yeah glad I was able to cover it up but yeah I am touched in sort of haunted by that. That's sad to me yeah. It is sad sad. It is sad the whole I wrote about in my book again. I'm saying that's our solidarity. It's like my experience with depression the whole second season of that show I was real man. I tell a story Ori. No I'm only saying this to you because you can't tell anybody because they say what precedent you have a show on HBO. That's in my book. I'm writing in a golf cart with bill Burr right and he goes. I didn't tell people I told Jamie Lee who's a very close friend right right so in between takes I'd be like I'm miserable and she goes you don't seem met and what's fucked up about our business. was I was like good yeah. Everybody thinks I'm okay. I'm writing with bill and he goes he basically it was very sweet but if you're wearing that lead x ray coat they give you at the dentist and I love that one of its feelings like knowing what depression feels like to me. I feel like I'm depressed. I feel like heavy Gash and the filter over your horizon went through it. You see everything it's totally well. robbed me of the moment like happiness is about realizing this is Acura Tobin quoting it lately but a chain changing my my life. He's like your life is the moment right like you think it's your analysis of a bunch of moments later. It's just this moment and that sounds so trite but when you really sit with that and ingest is that wisdom you're like this is it. I have this bit. I'm thinking of doing this on stage where I was flying to Hawaii and they were good news. I was doing a show so I was alone. A good news we landed fifteen minutes early and everybody claps and then we taxied for fifteen minutes and then this guy next to me is like well. What is is the point? What was the point of landing early? We're just GONNA see for fifteen goddamn minutes and I had this thought because I was was in a good place. I was like if you're not happy on the plane. The beach won't save you why and that is the summation of finding joy in the just being yes folly of being but bill went look at this ten years ago. You're opening for me fucking Peoria area now. We're right around a golf car you fucking. Hbo Show He says Gary. If this doesn't make you happy nothing well one. I was the saddest saddest little goldfish no castle no sand no little flaky food on the top Oh my waiting for death and it was a lonely feeling you must have. You're on the set of crashing. You're sad being what was that like people offering you fucking craft services and you're like it's ta