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Podcast 658  Legal Questions and Answers

Psychedelic Salon

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Podcast 658 Legal Questions and Answers

"Chips. Greetings from Cyber Delic space. This is Lorenzo and I'm your host here in the second Alec Sean. And I'm very pleased to be able to bring you the first of what will be our regular somewhat regular updates on laws that govern the use of cannabis psychedelics. I'm about to play a recording of the live salon that are hosted on September twenty eighth and my guests that evening was longtime. Fellow chaloner. Gary Smith. Now. Gary is an Arizona based attorney who has just published a major compendium of the laws that governed the use of plants and chemicals that have been outlawed by various government. So now I'll just pick up on the recording after we all exchanged a few pleasantries which. I. Think. We can go ahead and get started. Gary didn't exactly what was going to go on tonight and I told him basically we're just of like A. Loose. Knit family that gets together and shoots the breeze from time to time. So it's not like. Pressure City like doing lecture somewhere or something but Eh. How Gary Welcome to the second. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Actually if you've been been with us here for a long time, but we just didn't know it right. If you say so. How's the audio quality your by the way I've got this running through my home studio stuff just trying to get a better microphone on the next so good. I. Think. It's perfect. Yeah rugged. ANTASTIC. So. I. gave her. It did any of you have a chance to listen to the podcast step out yesterday. Couple of you not too many. Okay. What but basically, it was a preview of some of the questions that. That Gary is prepared to answer that. Will. I guess we should should be the real background Gerry, Gary's attorney in Phoenix and He has written this book called the. PSYCHEDELIC. lex In let me Let me put a picture of that on the screen. If I can. there. There it is. If I make a big camp-. Breaks up a little bit but. I I just really wish I was still in law school. So I could walk into the Law Library and asked for that book. You know I I I think that that is a classic cover of course that translates from the Latin. Second Law and. The The thing is that Gary Actually, sometime ago asked me if I would. Write an introduction to that I agree, and then he sent me the manuscript and I remembered why I quit practicing law. It is. It is so that the language is so obtuse and everything and and I had taken years to break myself from that and on on the other hand you know I really don't have any business writing introductions law book because I'm so far removed from. An end just didn't didn't feel like that I could but but one of the things we can go through like talk about the book a little bit before we get another question answers as I think that that I just looked at everything from. How you responded cannon and I thought no. This is really the first major compendium of a psychedelic laws around the world and the first chapter. As deal with famous people who broke the law eating psychedelic that. Gear. Yeah. Absolutely, and you're right. It is a compendium of the different laws that impact psychedelics here in the United States and around the world although this is written from US law perspective. And in the short story for why that is, I went looking for this book for myself so I could use it. And I couldn't find a book. All right I guess alright is so that's that's really honestly the short story of how the book came about I. I saw a need and decided to fill the need. So tense. Your second question though. You're absolutely right. Might my early chapters are supposed to generally introduce the reader into this topic and I did that intentionally because I just assumed most people that would be coming to this probably would have had a similar experience as I it, which is you start with zero knowledge and then of course, you grow up in in the nineteen seventies where it's just say no and dear kid you know and So crammed full of all that propaganda of what psychedelics are not. So I knew I had to overcome all those decades of readiness. So there you go. It was very simply a chapter aimed at making people comfortable by seeing understanding that folks similarly situated or even better off for in higher level positions like famous artists and. Actors and actresses and industrialists have a history of this too and it's good history for them. It was successful. It was positive experiences with positive outcomes. So to the extent that people don't like to stand out in the crowd, I tried to surround them with the comfortable crowd. Not You you've been involved in practicing. PSYCHEDELIC law and cannabis law for some time now, right? Yeah so I jumped into this squeak more than a decade ago. Now, when Arizona came around back in twenty ten with what is its current medical marijuana wa? It's actually the second time. Arizona passed medical marijuana luck as the first one legislature killed within months monastic but back in two thousand ten, it came up again and most lawyers were afraid to touch the subject. So I took a look at it and thought that looks like a hell of a lot of fun to me on dive in with both feet dead and in in the process of learning all about cannabis and Canada's laws which didn't exist until now. So we're creating on the fly I necessarily started. All these different psychedelics. Got, intensely curious and just diving deeper and deeper and deeper in the more alert the hunger. I got. So now I do kind of consider myself a PSYCHEDELIC. Lawyer. Had, how did your contemporaries and your colleagues a treat you once you kind of step out of the PSYCHEDELIC legal clauses so to speak. So even the greatest skeptics are a little bit in law at it as kind of like being the cool kid at school again. not that I ever had that experience I shouldn't say again, 'cause I was never the goal kid at school but y'all know what that's like most people early on thought, it was just a flash in the PAN wouldn't last and here I am a decade in to it and it's the mainstay of my practice and is exciting. Everyday is a new challenge It's a lot of funds sometimes I wanNA, pull was left of my hair out but overall net, positive and enjoyable and part of the reason why I wrote the book was for the next generation because bringing all these psychedelic substances Ninfa Jen's. Up to the same level as cannabis is gonNA take effort and it's GonNa take a lot of sharp minds. How how about the prosecutors in judges? How are they accepting your your defensive in these cases? prosecutors are still prosecutors. I have had the the pleasure of speaking with several of them. Some are actually remarkably sympathetic and and here's the weird thing once I full now being a candidates lawyer psychedelic lawyer. Everybody comes out to me. Now people you would be. Shocked. To learn are advocates of psychedelics come out to me, and I I loved that they do that and then truly honored that they do that because I know for a lot of high level professionals even like myself you kind of have to fly under the radar and and not really attention to yourself because the implications are just so you're so when people do come to and share their stories in, it really throws me to no end. As. It really does suggest a faith and trust. but that being said, yeah, I mean people in really high levels are absolutely enmeshed in this and enjoying whatever it is they do. Not when I was still working verizon speaking on their behalf at conferences and stuff at one one night. I was out to dinner with a bunch of executive for one of the big. Internet companies having been netscape and this one Guy Kinda gotten upside he's one of the vice presidents. He said Hey I heard you just got back from a Cannabis Cup you know I've been trying to keep that really quiet but you know the the word gets around pretty quickly. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely and I'm not Shire hiding anymore. You know early on I was a little trepidation because it just didn't know what the social stigma. But but these days I'm out there in the open. One of one of my clients very lucky that they're. Open to me advising them and also opens me sharing with the public to advise them is the Peyote church here in Arizona. For viewers who may not know this there are a whole whole litany of attorney ethics rules amongst those is competent geology, and this means that lawyers cannot share with third parties. Any information other clients even including who their clients are. In this particular instance, my client is open minded about it. So I had permission to identify myself as their lawyer. So now tell people I'm also general counsel to a Yoda Church. Now, the irony really go up and people you're really intrigues. Is. It's actually not that exciting. 'cause they just don't have a lot of need. They fought their fights decades before I ever showed up but it's a fantastic organization I'm proud to represent them and I think they're doing wonderful. Wonderful work. You WanNa. Talk about the book low bid I I read through it didn't completely read a page for pace to some of it was a little dense legal ease and I'm wondering. Your target audience I know it would be. A lawyer who gets approach for the first time with any of canvas or PSYCHEDELIC. Claim of some kind of look for some you know who do I start because they're really no place but is it just lawyers? What about law school students are you looking at them as well? I'm looking at literally everybody. So here's what I. Hope I accomplish the book, but readers will tell me if I succeeded. I wrote the book to be multi functional. So if you're a practicing lawyer, could pull this book off of Your Shelf, and actually put to using your daily practice. There's tones of annotations inside of it to right cases, statutes regulations, other sources. But I also really made a genuine effort to write it at a level that was accessible to non lawyers because trust me I get legally since dance it's difficult to read often painful to read. Even lawyers don't like reading stuff that other lawyers wrote. So. I really try to take that to heart and I before publishing it pass copies around to variety of friends in my circle who were all necessarily lawyers and ask them take a wack with a pen. Market up anywhere you want and I took back probably. Oh golly about fourteen different sets of Red Lines from different people. And tried to match the reading level of the book to be level and balanced as they could. Was Really Nice for me to see an to remember when I quit practicing law. Problems are just complex. You know like you said. From international treaties on down and no matter what happens here in Portland in Oregon. In the next couple of months you still have. All the federal and international Laws Studio at that. Probably aren't going to be enforced not your dealer or something, right? Yeah. I wholly agree in I really appreciate you bringing that up because most people have this mis- perception that you know you just change one law and suddenly now this stuff is available and that so far from accurate there are multiple layers starting like you said from international treaties where the United States is legally behold into certain behaviors which includes legal obligation to keep. Certain Laws and statutes on our books and certain regulatory agencies in place in order to fill those international treaty obligations. Then you step on down from there, you've got Federal Statutes of course, step down from there you've done federal regulations then you step on from there you've got state statutes then he step down from there you've got state relations, and then there may be an additional level based on the city in which Hewlett it could be municipal. Ordinances or statutes. So that's what I call like the five fingers of regulation. And you've got to deal with all of them otherwise, you're only getting a partial correction and the best example of that is cannabis today you know state by state, the individual state laws are changing, but the federal law remains wholly unchanged as does the international trees over Canada's. So in order for the feds to relax the trained to have to get a comfort zone where they are going to be more willing to effectively turn away from some of the aspects of these international treaties. So and I don't want to get into the pros and cons of debate whether or not the candidates get legalized here on the federal level we've talked we beat that to death but let's let's say some day that the US just completely legalizes canvas is that due to international obligations that other countries have with via Bamako Affect. That is a great question. I. Would assume it would have to be you know the United States being one of the biggest markets in the world, and that's for literally anything not just Canada's You know we've got a huge presence at the UN. We have huge influence of the UN I would think that you entreaty and the way the UN says, the treaty would necessarily have to yield an envy look around the world right now most other nations are looking at quite seriously decriminalizing legalizing cannabis Mexico's on the custody for goodness Sakes Canada's already there several European nations are looking at Israel's already there in one of my favorite cannabis strains, Durban voicemails from South Africa. So you know we're on every continent, and by the way I can just give a plug to Durban poison best thing to happen to yoga ever. Say before we continue on you and me let let's see if anybody else has some questions while we're here, still freshman all A. Wave your hands are to son meet your your mic. Sure. Whatever go ahead not. A how's it going? Money's No. Sorry about. Don't feel badly to lock my cats out of the room here they can yelling at the door he just can't hear them but they're. so my question is. Just. What's your? What's your opinion may be can talk about it a little bit with the state states legalizing cannabis moment Colorado here. Where it's pretty much completely legal and. Except, for little bit of growing stipulations but. And firearms use 'cause specifically. The federal government for. Four the all the paperwork did you have to sign? They put specifically you are user cannabis you cannot fire corral out. What you thought about that is with A. Cannabis and A. Disqualifying your segment, right. So sure a great question. So you're absolutely correct there's federal statute criminal statute says you cannot simultaneously possess cannabis and a gun The mere fact that you have them in proximity means you're looking at additional felony charges and a whole lot of draw. Now adding to the story I don't know if you're aware of this but stopped me of you are the couple of years ago. Some woman went into a gun shop to purchase a firearm and she had her cannabis ation car from her state. and went into by this gun, and although at the time, the NFL forums did not ask about cannabis use concession or or or a cannabis card. I think she had a point she was trying to make. So she volunteers all this information at which point the guy won't seller the got. So. Big Hullabaloo Lawsuit Long Story Short now. ATF's forms include a specific question asking if you have a cannabis card and if the answer is checked, yes, you don't get the. So had this woman just simply not done this and not created a blissfully stunt try to force the issue I have to question if the form would ever have that question on a today. but. Directly Answering your question, I don't. Understand. Why that prohibition continues I. Think It is a form of discrimination and unfair form of discrimination that. But you have to look at this from a federal prosecutors perspective were federal legislators perspective and their response to is going to very clearly be hey. The felony statute stone books for cannabis, and we haven't changed federal law. The fact that your local state law may have changed is of zero impact at the federal level. So maybe your individual state might no longer have a law that says you can be charged with gun presented with gun possession at the state level federally it's still fair game. So you're absolutely right it's enduring risk. It is something that needs to be looked at and really should be changed, but it hasn't changed yet. Very much appreciate. Of course, of course, I'm sorry to disappointing answer, but it's Gary. Let me clarify that that. Whether or not you check anything on the former that was on the farm or if you have a gun before the for years and then you have cannabis under federal law how if you have the two together? Against correct correct. No matter how long you've had the gun or whatever, and doesn't doesn't make a difference you're not grandfathered in because you own a gun I got the cannabis leader. You're not right escaped the implications of that just reading lists. Lives in Arizona I mean early the most pro gun state there is even our guns at guns That's how pro gun Arizona's. It's like if you find cannabis out in the wild and bring it in, it's still illegal habit so You know if if I was a cannabis activists rather than try to. Beat down that that art of the law to get some publicity but I would say is I would start going to church groups and say you know if you have marijuana and a gun is a felony, shouldn't that be the same with alcohol? They've been all the problems with alcohol and guns I think you could get some fresh going on something like that. Oh. I would hope you're right about that. Unfortunately, people still have a funky prejudice about Canada's than they don't take other things. Alcohol forever gets all PATS. It's going to be a generational thing. I think you know that that my grandkids are not going to be anti canvas even though they don't have it around him or anything young separate I'm there. So you know. Their. And their whole generations like that. Of I totally agree units interesting to say the two I mentioned earlier when we were chatting than like people come up like out themselves, you'll design now. millennials have such a different outlook and approach on psychedelics as compared to baby boomers or my generation genetics millennials are just waiting for Blase Abbott. I think the. Fact that they're raised fulltime with an Internet manage difference in in their psyches. So the available immediate access to more data and the ability to spot check on the fly of what you're being told his true or not a huge difference in the discussion. It's got I really don't WanNa know us some of the things. My grandkids no because they're. So far ahead of us. Have a question here right now, they'd like to get an. Awkward Conversation. Curious if there are any examples of you know. Implications like you know having a cannabis card because I mean I never heard about you know not being allowed to have a card firearm lessons at the same time. Are there any other things like that? Just. You know the average uninformed person like me just be good to know like you know if you have a CDL license. Yeah. Okay. So let's start with some basics first off when we're talking anything federal level understand cannabis still one hundred percent totally illegal no legal nothing so. There are very, very, very, very narrow exceptions. So narrow, not even worth bringing in the conversation. The next thing you have to do is look at what your individual state law says and I here in Arizona we've got heart of our statutes that include that employers in the right circumstances can discriminate against you since you have a card and. Zooming Canvas and it's really driven by sort of life health safety things so. It's the obvious few. You don't want somebody driving your commercial truck while they're stoned out of their mind That's logical. I personally don't have a problem with that I think reasonable regulation is totally okay. So. You're going to bang into stuff like that. But then there's this other invisible layer where it's not necessarily a statute saying you do or don't get this benefit but instead it's how certain businesses treaty inaugural a real life example that I personally experience. So insurance if you need life insurance or disability insurance or health insurance, your insurers are free to discriminate against you as much as they want and my example is I'm in my fifties. Now I'm starting to look at retirement and a looking at retirement planning and I'm doing all that boring adults of the pupil do like you know shopping for annuities because as adults are supposed to do least untold. So I, put in an application for a disability long-term care policy and there's insurance you can get so that if you're old and you end up like in a nursing home. They can actually pay for some of that part of the insurance coverage and. I follow the application In one of the questions asks, do you have account discard or do you consume cannabis and the answer is yes to both of us I felt it. Honestly. Now. With that application, they also come and give you a blood test and test and I'm not a heavy user. So when they took might test, it actually turned up negative. But because they said, yes, they still held that against me and I was denied the long term care coverage component. Allah see simply strictly because I check the box yes. Now Mind my blood chemistry and the blood of a thirty year old I'm practically vegetarian my cholesterol levels are something you'd envy I'm in reasonably good shape and I would otherwise qualified for the policy of their best race of because the cannabis literally wouldn't even give it a false. and. The real irony there gary is that the canvas is what's helping to keep you healthy too you know had famer. You Know Trust ME I. Know. I know. So it's an enduring frustration and this spills over into a lot of other things to cannabis industry itself. One of their chief gripes they can't bank. Federal lending institutions won't take them as clients because the risk to the bank is too great. They could lose their charter and have the bank prosecuted for longer. and. That's rug set big crime into the whole thing because it's a cash business, you know. Oh Yeah the analogy I like to use. If anybody watched breaking bad. There is an episode where Skyler Walters wife goes to their storage unit and in the storage unit or pallets of dollar bills all stacked up Oh golly least four or five feet high. that is literally with cannabis rolled is like right now it's an all cash business and There are a few very intrepid brave banks who are willing to take on these clans, their state chartered and federally chartered but for most of the Biz cash and I mean, literally all cash. Flow. And that's a that's really a magnet for for currently. Out Yeah, if if they would simply normalize thinking like eighty percent of the eddings would just go away and people chill out. Yeah even if they didn't legalized cannabis. Across the board if they legalize the banking of dipstick Surrey's. And Chambas companies, you know that we sure saw a lot of criminal problems I think Oh my God. Yeah. Not to mention the tax reporting would be more accurate and honest and the tax revenues collected would be bigger. But that's also part of the problem is there's another irs regulation to eighty and says that he's cannabis businesses and location you could easily I. caught the future psychedelics business. They are not permitted normal ordinary write offs that literally every other business rates. So the net result of that is these cannabis businesses pay an effective tax rate three times greater. Then what any other business pace your Corner Deli against right off the the meets the salaries, the rapping leaper, the electric bill, all that your cannabis companies can't. Every that comes in is completely taxable. Yeah Yeah it's it's. It's high crime, but there's a lot of that going on this nervous country and that's part of the problem. Congress is in some ways de incentivized to make a change because they collect with tax if they don't. Yeah. The let's let's also could you point out the difference because you know people just generally say, yeah, mushrooms are legal in Denver now they're going to be able to Oregon in DC plus the differences in these laws between these three places. Sure. So again at start with the with the notion that federally it's all illegal so. We're talking about federally doesn't exist you can't do it. if you look around the country, there are little pockets of legalisation opening up indiscreet cities and Again, Oregon is you just reference sticking nation step in to open so aside into the whole state. an IP thirty, four, their initiative, which is on the ballot for November. Meanwhile, like to through sagoes reading DC HAS A. Prioritization initiative and explain the difference. So what Oregon is trying to do is to create an entire structure of of. I'll call them Zeidan centers. I think. That's what the term is in the initiative. And they want to have these suicide centers under some sort of a regulatory agency that's yet to be created initiative would have to pass I, and that center will be staffed by people of some yet to be determined suitable occasion is not necessarily all going to be PhD's or psychiatrists. And an individual if they're suitably licensed by this hypothetical future program will be able to go to this suicide and center in partaken. Suicide At the center. and then the initiative goes on to provide that there's an integration session at the center must offer you. You're not required to accept it. You could theoretically. Go. Have your suicide and experience and go home afterwards. Never talked to anybody about you didn't want. But they have to make the integration available, which which I think is very important and I love that they include. Very wise and also why is it they made? Compare that to DC. DC is proposing with your initiative is no structure at all I can call like fight club. It's like the first fight club is don't talk about find club. So a DC is proposing is just too deep prioritize law enforcement that the local level so that you as an individual could zest a certain quantity of say suicide and mushrooms without having fear that the police will be specifically coming to look for you. But be clear. A deep prioritization of criminal enforcement is not decriminalization and it also doesn't mean the police are going to be hands off. What it means is if they're initiative passes, you want to be discreet you want to keep it out of sight out of conversation at the guy you do at home what you would do at home and leave it at home and don't flash it around. As if you do their initiative would absolutely allow the police still arrest you in charge you and you can go to jail for it. So it's you know sort of fight club or a don't ask don't kind of the scenario two very different approaches. I. Don't know which one's better. Maybe a hybrid of the two is the best who knows but I liked them, they're both happening simultaneously. I hope they both pass so that the whole country can observe and learn from those experiences and that's one of the great things about having fifty states is each little St. Indians own little test crucible and you know the best program win. That's kind of what I thought about cannabis Gary because there's so many different. Ways of going about it like the Washington way that the Colorado Way. Lobbied against. Prop. Four here in California because I thought it was just over-regulated but. In any event I do think it's like you just said this an advantage having fifty states try all these different approaches because we can reading maybe come up with the best of you know he's in the computer industry we used to call Bob's the best of the best. Yeah, holy agree and while it's still very early in the life of of some revivify -cation, up psychedelics This is the time to experiment with different programs and get the the right fit. You want. They want the shoe. That's GonNa let you walk. For a good long distance without causing blisters. So I'm all in favor of the experiments and I hope that federal prosecutors and lawmakers will take the same sort of hands off approach that they did with Canada's all these. You know we had the the benefit during the Obama administration of the coal in Ogden memos where you essentially the US. Attorney's office was under an. Official order not to come in and not raider bus programs that were well-regulated states that had know medical programs that were under some level supervision oversight, and for the most part they stayed hands often and it's worked well, but unfortunately during trump's tenure. Jeff sessions repealed the colon augments. Now the US attorney's offices around the country are technically free to come in and raid and bust up literally every cannabis enterprise everywhere the fact that they still haven't done it. I think is just simply grace of the situation but in a second trump term if that happens, I wouldn't be so sure the candidates is free. I would. I fear a trump second term because of that. The man has demonstrated. He is willing to do anything for political favors in point of fact, if if you ever visit the blog on my. Website. I wrote an article about this and I think in the right circumstance if trump thought that it would benefit him politically either on a personal level for self aggrandizement or to punish an enemy, he would do it and it logically follows where which is do the rain Nancy Pelosi's. And if he ramrods. New Court through with a six to three majority for the indefinite future you know it's just kind of all over but the shouting along Catholic. I fear. So yes, I fear. So but interestingly, I'm so glad you brought that up because you gave me a segue to something that didn't want to talk about. So thank you. I had a very lovely interview yesterday with Dr. Doug's daughter who is a comparative religion Professor and in our conversation. I started to get a greener crystallization in my mind of an idea I've got that might give some religious argument to of Roger Legalization, and I'll explain that in a moment but first thing I wanted to say antecedent to that was that both he and I agree that the current makeup of the court and the current law. there's a federal law Riffa religious. Freedom Restoration Act actually lends little more credence to a religious based arguments in favor of psychedelics. Now, let me explain what I mean by that. So. Riffraff, that Religious Freedom Restoration Act. is the reestablishment of an old basis that the Supreme Court used to use to review religious questions. So in the context of psychedelics, for example, and this actually would cause refer to be created. It used to be that the court applied was called the Sherbert. Test Shurmur comes from a case by the name of Sherbert none not a delicious dairy beverage that you would enjoy somebody insured and the Sherbert test was this compelling interest test where if the court was being Challenged. With the question of Hey, you're federal law the way it's written or the way it's being enforced infringes on my religious freedoms. the court would have to go through this analysis and decide is this federal law. Supported by a interest that would justify a bona fide infringement of religious freedom. But then in nineteen ninety, this is crazy. This was on the Scalia cornhole things Smith versus Oregon came out, and it was a Peyote case where a couple of native Americans had put in front employment because part of their religious observance as members of their native American Church I can't remember what the specifics were, but they had to put in front of and they were denied unemployment. on the premise that Y- penalty uses not considered okay? Federally And under the Scalia Court and Scalia wrote the majority opinion. They did away with the server test of and instead just imposed. The sort of very blanket federal law trumps religious issues or concerns. That freaked out everybody and within three years Chuck Schumer ended up introducing an very quickly passed by a huge margin was during the Clinton Administration Riffa which restored the Sherbert test. So now there's this compelling interest test that the court must once again employ when being challenged with religious questions. Now, the reason I say this is encouraging is amongst this, the court's not really allowed to ask. The depth of sincerity of religious belief. That's not fair game. 'CAUSE imagine having to go through some sort of a religious -IETY test. It's like the the elections testing gulliver's travels. What are we GONNA do cracking open from different hens and decide which ones better it's goofy. Hobby lobby. You may remember how lobby from a few years ago which a hobby lobby didn't WanNa pay for certain abortion related medical services as part of their company health plan because the owners of the company had a strong. Christian conviction that spoke against that particular package and they won the argument. So now hobby lobby and resulting no company has to provide those services if they don't choose to because of religious conviction. So. Since the court now is more towards favoring. Allowing religions to practices they want I. think that arguably helps. So, now let me give my harebrained theory that I'm starting to cook up an angle. Tell you up front have thought through it all the way I could be completely wrong here but I do know in the reef research had done thus far. Nobody's come up with this yet. So here's my theory. And it comes about as a result they just happen to have these on the desk for conversation yesterday. So hold up the camera. there's a few books that really tipped me off the I which insisted on the screen is John Labor of book the Sacred Mushroom and the cross. And for those of you who might not be familiar with John Allegro he is one of the original translators of the DNC scrolls translated the copper scroll and Lingo who's now dead. He's been dead for for many years. was very well respected linguist and what he was able to do taking his linguistic skills was to go back to these most ancient of source documents again, translated the commerce role for sick. And ended up finding that a lot of the more contemporary by contemporary like ancient Greek. Not Not like you know last week of ancient Greek translations were just wrong. And indeed, he found lots of references to these archaic colts than US Army Mushrooms. and. These cults gave rise to early Proto Judaism in early Pro Christianity. So. This tells me there is an archaeological basis. And also a religious history that ties psychedelics to entire Abraham lineage. Then, you add to the pile next book. Which is the second gospels written by Jerry and Julie Brown Obama too. So you can see it if you haven't read this one yet. And the By the way they're they're on the circuit, you can actually talk the meet them on. facebook. I'm actually facebook friends with them and they do lectures on this the Bruins went and just started church hopping around Europe looking for ICONOGRAPHY, and dammit all they didn't find a bunch of it and insulin their book. There's. Fantastic middle section here of color plates with a bunch of different color photos from inside churches and it's the artwork sculptures. It's the stained glass and there's mushroom images everywhere. So. Again this tells you early Christianity these people who are like physically literally building these churches have this in mind. and then Bow God two months ago. I. Read an article. From Archaeological Journal called tel-aviv out of Israel and it was talking about this twenty, three, hundred year old alter or they took scrapings off the altar and discovered cannabis resin. Now if you look at the biblical recipe for anointing oil. Cannabis loyal is part of that and it's been misinterpreted over the years as Casa with is just this inert nothing crappy little flower than actually doesn't have any particular good use. And that apparently amongst a lot of scholars was always a very unsatisfying ingredients and it was long believed the Cossio. Was a misinterpretation? Because think about it. If you got some sort of special anointing oil and supposed to have and imparts special empowers wouldn't you expect to have an ingredient that would do that and lo and behold there gal is fine. Twenty three hundred year old alter with cannabis oil. So, stringing all of that together, here's my theory. I think. An, also support over for no less that there is an argument to be made that people in the Harbor Hammock Lineage, Christianity, Judaism even to slob because it also. Arises from this lineage, they may have a religious birthright to experience arcade forms of their own religion. And not saying this in a manner to you know. CAST aspersions towards any religious group or sacked were for division. But you know people do get curious about the history of the religion and the various ways it's practice and you can look at really were the docs Christians across the world versus more Protestant Christians same as Jews Amos Muslims. They all practised very different ways, and if you took a very say reformed. Jew. And them next to a Hasidic Jew, you're gonNA see two very different ways of practicing Judaism accord that's common but the physical actions, the rules and regulations different. So I think in the sense that you're allowed the right to explore the different permutations of your religion, there may be an argument you're that these proto forms of religion have evidence of Psychedelic us and therefore might arguably. Be a basis for permission. Now, all that being said I'm absolutely not telling anybody tomorrow run out and say you know mushrooms for Jesus and is not what I'm saying although I'm not not saying that either or I am saying is that I am now commencing a search for more historical record and archaeological evidence to see if I can really piece this argument together and support it with. Reliable evidence that like if you were literally inequality of law, a judge could look at and say, yes, I'm admitting that evidence. Yes it's a compelling argument. So. Gary that if somebody hears this podcast actually across some evidence like that that could help you have they come they tell you about it. How do they get? Sure well, you can reach out to me through my firm. Prefer if you reached out to me through my psychedelic elects website, you can email me there I, am Adleman at PSYCHEDELIC LEGS DOT com. You can also find me through facebook and my youtube channel. Just you know all those different social media platforms have some method of messaging so you can grab me in any those. Island suggest that unless somebody's actually a lawyer herself or himself should not contact your firm and unless they want a referral or something like that. Yeah. Exactly and that's mostly just in various might partners and staff I don't. WanNa flood them with my my hobby stuff and and to be fair the PSYCHEDELIC aspect of my life is my hobby stuff although it is part of my job to. What if there's? If as other podcasters, local societies that. Would like to ask you questions or visit with you. Would you we WANNA make like Zoom appearances and get in touch with oh? Yeah. Absolutely and in fact I was that was exactly what I did yesterday but Doug. So he actually reached out to me one and interview me and just coincidence I wanted somebody with a religious background and interview as well. Also I said, let's interview each other. We'll each take a copy of the show and use it and he was swollen I. thought that was swallowing. And Tomorrow Send me the link to that show too and and I'll put it in the program notes for here. So people can come and doesn't care that myself. We'll. We'll do I haven't even begun editing yet I just so everybody knows I do youtube channel. So all of my stuff is video which I've had to teach plenty south to video editing and I'm one of the few people who is only just one percent great old for the endemic because it forced me to stay home and learn this stuff So I tried to make beneficial use of this rotten terrible time in lockdown and make the most events. He can't really see a lot of interest because we're on the computer. during pandemic over the last four or five months, I built an entire studio here in my house. We had an extra bedroom we weren't using, and this is where I host psychedelic LEX. Rule that sounds like it worked out pretty well for at least A. More than one percent but that's okay. In, yeah that's not unreasonable but to that extent, if the editing on my show is crappy that's all me so Every show and learning a little bit more about editing against You know incrementally better show I think within a year it'll almost look like somebody above third grade actually editing it. Well though feel that I can't even listen him I. I one hundred podcast is like fingernails on a blackboard for me. I'll. I'll let me let me circle back to this supreme proper one more minute here. Better the religious. You know the separation of church and state which doesn't really seem to be. From my perspective. That you know it's it's like we can't. If, you're a sitting senator you're interviewing potential supreme, court justice you can't say those religion affect you at all and yet you know isn't that supposed to be the backbone of your life I can't we ask them questions about the religion. Yeah. Well, you hit the nail on the head. It's the whole separation of church and state facade that we. Pretend exists. I think there are ways to ask clever questions to get around the problem in case in point here. In. Trump just. Proposed or nominated a replacement justice who is according to the news or last two days. part of some relief fringe Christian group that considers men to be dominant over women which to me if that's actually accurate and I don't know that it is I really don't. But if that's accurate, that's. Ably, weird and greed I wouldn't actually want somebody at on the Supreme Court. In Imagine A. Female. Justice Google has to obey their on justice husband. You're going to tell me that wouldn't impact decisions on the court come up. That's fair. Grew in my mind. Serve an anti GINSBURG. It's like it's like literally the opposite if you took her and flipped her inside out. Yeah. That, that. The handmaid's I mean it's like right over the handmaid's tale that my my wife read the books I didn't read the books I got sucked into the show like the first two seasons just creeped me out. And if this is even an inkling of how these people believe yeah, I don't want them near Michael. Unfortunately. There may be literally nothing any of us can do about. Let me just go on record here because she's been a professor at Notre Dame still is. For a long time now and for them to give her that platform get where she is I am here by stating I will never again your for all Notre Dame have. All connection with them I don't want anything to do it anymore well, and and that's a fair commentary on just critical thinking as a whole. So for the benefit of your audience I, mean I'm a thirty year veteran lawyer maybe rated. I'm I'm actually a participating panelists with the American Arbitration Association do both arbitrations and mediations have authored? More than one legal trail of action on for three of them. unlicensed. The multiple states I have as impressive resumes would want and and I'm telling you don't be impressed by people in power don't be impressed by people with high degrees they can be as stupid and. As anybody else you really have to pick and choose and critical thinker don't fall for the cult of personality. That is exactly how our country on the situation it's in right now. Yeah I can still remember as a as in college when I met one of the first time I met a high ranking politician in the guy was a real jerk and wasn't very bright. That's my God you know are they all like that in Humphry too many among Yup, unfortunately, these days particularly like in the afterglow of citizens united where money just. Pour into politics. You're not getting the best and brightest you're not getting the conscientious legislator you're getting the Latkes lapdogs of of big money. And Big Money. Something I've been harping out here for a long time is the fact that you know we can get irritated the personalities and consider all rubbish wrong way but it's really the system that allows it to get to the top. You know we really have to be looking at the system itself I think Oh, absolutely you know the the current politicians find votes vote amount out whatever you're going to continue the. Cycle. Endlessly. Until you change that system and I think top of the list although people are GonNa Gripe and say it's an infringement of First Amendment Rights I. Don't agree top list get the dirty money out of politics make the money as transparent as possible. The singular biggest problem with the citizens united decision is it allows unlimited donations and they're blind you can't see I can't see who's giving the money. And I think if you could shed light literal light on it and out these people and let the rest of the country see whose putting money in how and where, and why that would be a game changer. And I agree with you the of course, a problem of disseminating information. How do you get down to the base? You know how? Do you explain that trump is paid seven, hundred fifty dollars a year when he did pay taxes and yet ten years he didn't pay taxes and here we're trying to struggle hoping we get another hand up from the government you know that how come? How do you get to the trump people where they understand it? I don't know that you do and that's really a whole different issue to the newest came out we all read it and. Some people are just impervious to facts. Can You do? But you know I I asked that server rhetorical question because I saw some of the good old boys down my my state of Texas for I'm still licensed to practice. We're being interviewed about it and they were saying good on him. You know what? You're supposed to cheat the around all your taxes. You didn't really good. They're all proud of him. Yeah well, you know really what that comes back to is. Good citizenship and patriotism. If you are in that group that believes taxes are bad and taxes are evil and nobody should pay taxes. Once, you're really saying is that you want a world in which it's strictly might roles. And you really don't give a shit about your neighbor. Now and Then what's the point of a country if you don't care about the people? In your country if you don't see that there is common good and common elevation coming together and working towards common purpose and common cause than what is the point to country. I, don't WanNa live where we're going to have private roads and I have to pay tolls. Turn left or right. I don't WanNa live in a world where there's no fire departments in my house is burning a well that's on me i. don't WanNa live in a world where there's no street lights no I. Always know schools. I don't know anybody who does. Unfortunately the propaganda of government ban taxes bad. Somehow took root and festered in the hearts of people and blossomed into whatever we're seeing now. And it's a shame it's a genuine shane. Is kind of get beat down high say this I don't get any support for but in this country first of all. Population Wise. Only India and China have more people wages. So that's a really big group of people to get together I mean it's not like Finland was ten million people. It's it's a lot of folks and if you've ever studied anything about the civil war, you know has never ended. You know still going on your we we have statues of general, Lee, a civil war general on the the enemy side in standing on US government property you know we're honored. Put up a statue of Hitler. If you WanNa drew comparisons but let's we wouldn't do that because the confederacy has never gone away. I I lived in the south for a long time and it's just not gonNA. Go Away I think that we've been at least two countries here if we want to unify people but there I just don't think there's any way you're going to get the good old boys in the deep South. And the Chardonnay Crowd New York together and let alone California heck. We can't even agree with ourselves. Sure and I'll say something that's even more cynical undisciplined. And that was pretty cynical but I'm I'm GonNa even worse I have I'm born and raised in New York just outside of New York City I have lived. At various. Times New York California north, Carolina and here in Arizona and I got bad news racism is everywhere everywhere. It's Pockets are worse. In some places but it's absolutely everywhere. You know growing up in the in the shadow of New York City as I did, it's very racist place I. Absolutely remember to Public School and you know the the groups of black kids would sit in one section of the lunchroom away from the groups of white kids and this was the norm all the years I was growing. And it's sad and it's tragic. And it continues today. That's right. That's right. Even even if you go read st loose fake, you have the the racism in both sections you know it's like you said it's universal. Oh Yeah and even like my time in north. Carolina. I live for your in Raleigh and worked. Literally had the capital. So there's a mall there that all the state buildings. And a lunchtime you go outside and you'd see this repeat during lunchtime you know you'd have clusters of black people all together in clusters white people. Admits a little bit but you know you can plainly how there were invisible lines and in it's sad and you know cure in my home state of Arizona the past twenty something years We're about the whitest state in the nation. So we don't see a lot here just because we don't have the divers. At, the city I lived in when I went to high school. Had One black family four people in that whole city and I just got together beheaded online reunion for sixty three union and There are now something almost like thirty families in the city. itself it's totally you know white city. Inside hundred miles outside of Chicago but. That's that's the problem that's superimposed on top of all these other problems in in sort of the universe is certainly covert. It's everywhere. And absolutely an America hasn't dealt with it needs to. Happen. And, that may be purpose of psychedelics Yeah Oh for sure for sure. But before we go here, does anybody else have another question? Was We head trial? With with with the theory that you're proposing about a religious freedom argument for psychedelics to what extent does one need to be involved in an organized religious practice to claim that. Okay. So there are definitely religions that are. Used today that have permission even from the DA. To engage in psychedelics can look around the country. There are a peyote churches. Again, the one that I represent. Is, just one example the native American church although it is meant for native Americans they they do allow non natives to participate. You can ask permission Cetera I o Oscar churches are making tremendous inroads right now they had some some good luck with litigation against the DA So there are opportunities. The hard part is like starting something from scratch my review of the law just. It just doesn't lend itself to the creation of Psychedelic, religion out of nothing. There have been past attempts predate riffraff One of these was a LSD church of all things the NEO clip, Tony Church, in fact I, have a reference to it in the book. they had early run INS in people got convicted and lost their appeals in in prison. So it's play hard and I I gave the cautioned earlier. You know don't just jump out tomorrow and Mushrooms for Jesus and start taking mushrooms because you'll probably get arrested. Never had Michael. Yeah. I think you. Can refer to more details on this achieve. John Roberts he had that decision I believe in. the second decision I in two thousand six. February. It was Gonzalez versus. The Church that I owe Oscar religion yeah. That that decision he may or he wrote opinion. It has all the features in there that you need for starting your own religion and he that's what he's. The the positive decision and they gave. He went through the history have. Not a PO religion and and change that I notice was. There his new opinions. Anybody, can join the in this case, it was the DV Earth but any, but he can join one of these churches. took away that you need to be a native American to be in Peoria Religious L. so basically it legalize I can tell. And for some reason. At the time people said Oh no, that's not APP. Happen. They're going to change it but not seen as ever. Challenges. They never went back and I think the court said, you know you guys got to do this over again? Are you familiar with that? Decision. I guns all versus you beat your young. Men Reading it. It's fair profound. Yeah. I've reference it in in my book although in fairness to this conversation I can assure you I. Don't have it memorized. I can't hope to quote to you but my my comment earlier wasn't meant to suggest now a new religion you absolutely. And there are definite pathways which to start a new religion what I were really focusing on was I don't the you'd start a new psychedelic religion because still you have achieved. Recognition as religion, you're just using psychedelics legally and I think you're GONNA risk getting in trouble, which is why I also suggested that the better path if you're looking to go that way is to hook up with an existing religion already received that recognition and maybe it's appropriate you grow out of their doctrine andbranch. And there are some examples of this, the peyote Church of which I. Have as a client. They were founded by a gentleman who was originally in the native American church but he wanted to take more multicultural and multiracial and wasn't being permitted. Do that. So he broke often started this multiracial multicultural church. the other thing I wanted to point out to all relative to Oni, was that the native American churches use of peyote is a perfect perfect example of the revival of an archaic practice of religion because the native American church is you know in the last hundred years more contemporary and these native Americans revived the. Calls that predate even that. in order to create this modern religion that has embraced aspects of Christianity and also asked excellent traditional. and. They absolutely enjoy a ton of protection under federal law. So I think that a revival in archaic practice stands a reasonable better argument than a brand new religion saying, Hey, we stumbled upon this new revelation and. You know we've got to drop tons of acid in order to get there i. think that's a hard sell a much. which circles back to the original use of mushrooms and Christianity as a possibility of reviving that religion. Yeah, exactly. So you know hat tip to turns McKenna's Archaic Revival I. think that would be the natural progression of turns his fury and belief and I again can start looking for this evidence and the arguments are God. Let's go fight a fight in court on behalf of literally every Christian. Muslim. In the world because it would be he according to this argument, their religious birthright and it doesn't matter if you want to partake you don't have to but at least knowing they have the right to do so is what matter? I'll tell you let, Gary, we're we're kind of on a time for life and I'd like to see if you'd be willing to come back maybe quarterly or something like that and give us an update on what's been going on. Happy to you. Name it I'll come anytime. Okay. Well, listen everybody I. Appreciate you being here. Tonight see some you Thursday morning but until the next time, keep the old faith and stay. Hi. Thanks everybody was fun. As. You just heard Gary will be back with us. Well, whenever there's some new information about legality she may encounter as we continue to fight the war on people who don't agree with. Pharma having the exclusive right to supply our medicines. In fact, it's my plan to have gary back on the end of this year, and he'll discuss the results of various ballot measures that are being voted on in less than a month now. And no matter where you stand politically, it seems to me that you're going to want to get out and vote particularly if legalization of drugs is on your ballot. You may not realize it but voting isn't available to a very significant number of our fellow humans. If you don't use it, the day may arrive when you lose it completely. So put on your mask and get out and vote. In my opinion, it's never been more important than it is today. And for now, this is Lorenzo signing off from SACRA. Delic Space Nama stay my friends.

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Inside Supercars - #276 Thursday - Klimenko, Jones, Croker, and Stone

Inside Supercars

16:36 min | 1 year ago

Inside Supercars - #276 Thursday - Klimenko, Jones, Croker, and Stone

"Naimatullah Jones Dick Johnson from team. Penske and you're on in Subic from the rice treks across Australia. He is inside supercars. Welcome back to inside because it's a day to twenty twenty Grand Prix and making your house or having we put away yes. Unfortunately but It's the White House. He might have inside the wall. There's of course there's well there's rain or snow or this drought till there's dust so this instals we mother nature. We can't help. Have you had any communication served as management around? Oh just a norm. That goes after the change. We'll keep you updated. They were very they. Were very very good. Sean same even sent one to forty in the morning. Your design. We're on top of the. We'll we'll keep you updated. We at this round Melvin. They liked the second cog in the wheel side. I really didn't have any sign. We we just go with the flow. Yuck knows amaze me that time crowds which racist to. How would you feel about that? Bryce here for liberty in a dream state. Sometimes I would say yeah I would say fans 'cause it's hot the other you know. We are a fan based entertainment sports series. We will end the Mike's Sport once or twice is because of the bars. I understand but you can't do that. You can't do that to the fan. How do we draw? I'd rather not race and make it up during the then Then rice in front of nobody because the battle what makes spoke good. It's the cheering in the vein new when someone knocks into someone else in someone else goes across the line. We don't do us but without the fans here okay. It's only hours. After it was opinion was pool so to speak. Have you had any relations to which why they'll go to picking up these four races? I think the full. It's going to be hard because it. This is the only place that we do do. Full I think they might. They might do around like a ball around or something else to pick it up on a pickup round I they. I don't think they will disappoint their fans because they know that the fans are very important and a big part of this series but I think they will try their hardest to make it up and keeping it in Victoria so that its own a slightly different tack abuse to Arabic's is is pretty busy social media stakes already. So your your whole nation sue because of might I consider today to increase their membership of equality Does that fit with you? Well so I look everything I do. I do because of my fans and the fans of soup because you know everything do might not be logical and it might be a bait and everything else but it keeps people interested in. It keeps people wanting to know what we're all about so I should because nate's to increase the the they have to show people. They're not what they think they are because people get angry. They get angry supercars. Sometimes it's not super guys fault. Sometimes it's just a comedy of errors in the everything seems to be a comedy of errors last year was mustangs this year. It's Corona Vars. What else they can do to keep the holdings back mixed reviews writes. Yes if I I don't know if we can do. This is just a personal opinion in two weeks. I don't know if it's going to the health department gonNA see that as well. That's long enough isolation to the team too been as we had zach bound right extol will wake in two days and I I I would love to say we going but I can't do with one hundred percent or on we'll sit back to white by email changes to what comes down shoot and see what is happening. Thanks pretty much bridge. And then we've been team manager had TGI team penske. The loss to the house is going into the truck it. It's sad ending girl three. Yeah it's it's a weird feeling at the moment we're just sort of casually packing up on a fraud. I which is I've been a little bit unusual. And it's a first for a million many years of doing this but Yeah the coolest thing might why above way we make decisions so Respect that in the Victoria and at all that stuff will move onto high playoff. Tickets can continue at the Knicks. It's far too early to be saying to Where the racist could be to replace The races from here but I think the retention is. He'll be an additional rice week. Yeah at this stage. The that's the belief is that the intention is to Find a gap in the calendar and Rachel. The Rice's mistakes would say maybe the possibility of all which results by saint since Victorian. Yeah to replace this one now that And obviously also found to really be speculating about either Tansy or or Hampton downs because Those are two away meetings and We have to work Tasmanian and New Zealand Governor. They're going to do about these events. Yeah look at a guy. That's a decision for the The category And probably governments and people around that sort of thing I guess the ideal scenario would be to For decision to be made before we ended up there but I guess the relevant People Mike. The Rock called the right time. So you'll boys this weekend we will. Yeah we'll behind on a fraud. I not which we'd goes is I mean some of US got some Some of our kids sporting events to attend this weekend and stuff that it'd be nice to To behind for the weekend weather data will be enjoying tomorrow being not being able to get some on cricket match for the the underlying reasons and Voice boys on big deals I got. They got their first hockey game. O Rama and may being high viable applies. Well all right. Well thank you been Kirkman George you and hope you get your chance to play them in New Zealand. We'll catch up with you later in the. Yeah we get down there and We can put on a show for the people down here with Matt Stone He's GonNa disappointment of now packing it all the while. You're getting. Yeah look at this according to come down here and get up and start out on track activities. Just to turnaround got harmed but look at the decisions in the hands of the event and the organizers and obviously Victorian Health So we respecting an abide by their decision I believe the plan is to reschedule the supercars portion of the event for later in the end we will still get out out. Yeah full season of Racing Y- that obviously opens up some some quietly pretty where you know the other tracks can perhaps come back and obviously it's too early in the piece for anyone to be making too much speculation but you know it's it's It's good to be a rescheduled and sort of essentially partnership because obviously the F. One cancelled from God's point of view. Look forward to picking out where we where we are now at a later point in the year and I wonder if it's too cold positions will sit in the record ballitser belonging to stab you. Look I mean from the when the when this event is rescheduled imagined they would start from scratch but as far as statistics sky is IT A. Is it an official Rice Yeah that's it's an interesting point a leave that for someone who cares more about their side of things that I do believe. Point of view you know understand. It's playing it safe here and the the Australian aspect of the The virus obviously not nearly as bad as the European and having an influx of Europeans Has created a bit of a bit of a situation so completely understand it and support. And we'll we'll just keep doing nothing and come back when we come back. Come back later in the year to do this round and hopefully I rising in Taza in a couple of weeks start now. Gary cool a few weeks to get his ankle right. Yeah yeah we planned it all just to forgive coverage on. Yeah look it's it's It's fallen and Gary Actually performs line wasn't in too much pain yesterday on track so we weren't too stressed about it all in terms of his injury but it is good to be outlet that recover properly Before Rolling back in to the next round of Tasmania in a few weeks. The other one could have anything always jake. Of course he made his debut. Yes look I mean Jacob probably feel sorry for him the Mars because he went out there yesterday and it's a format rolling straight into qualifying on day one. I did a fantastic job. In our opinion you know. He came back today having looked at his daughter and his video learnt law and he was ready to go out there and actually have have a crack at it. So it's disappointing for him that that we gonna take him harm By yeah as I said before win win. Supercars portion of this event gets rescheduled. Later in the year. They can jump back into the at and again you got a whole another track and do a whole nother event so is extra extra malls for him which is always a good thing. So we'll take the positives out of it that we you know. We had a good run yesterday with Gary Qualifying and twelve and Jacobson malls around here without without losing a whole rice meaning and we'll take that as as it is and carry on pentecost soldiers. You were founding gemstone smart minimum ratio. He didn't come this weekend. Yeah Oh that that that That monetary is up. Hip Dodger means decided to stay home Yeah he's got a couple of grandchildren a thanks to me now and I think. He sees his children off racing and he goes. He'd rather stay home and play with the next generation so I think he made a very smart coal this weekend by a long time and And we'll be good because now you go to council you actually just driving to the first reading potato. Yeah not not a scratch on him which is always good and not a lot of mileage Like anything will always Bill away from work to do on the cause. Because you know we'll always repairing them. We'll be trying to make them quicker so we'll we'll manage to fill the time problem Behind a couple of days earlier so the more time to think. Oh okay now. You obviously saved up to being a two car team this year. I'm one of the cavs. Are You RUMMY So we're renting super three. This year we ran The Toronto that we built For Jason Gomersall team along with myself we ran out at Adelaide. But that was the what's the word that was the basis of the final run for that around this one song for that that car and that? Tc and program As Jason an NFL team of modes more into super the series three series series this year. So we We do have full program running which is scheduled to debut in two weeks city multiple. Talk Yes at the next at that next round. So we'll We'll keep our preparations going for that and head down there and hopefully Not have some of the The international issues that we've had this weekend being around Racing Tauranga thank you. It's nine and I look forward to hearing that figure rain now ours so with pride joins one of the longtime competitors in this category and obviously great disappointment to have depending food. Yeah I think it's. It's very disappointing I mean obviously Safety of everyone seems Easing in the forefront of people's minds go prequel bryce. Alford by all accounts. Somebody's pulled up. Beat him decided snapping. They wants to at some stage of possibility of running with that crowd. Today obviously decided. That wasn't enough well and You Know Stanley from Subic Perspective. Very interactive with their fans and You know I think it would be a pity one of the things I love about what we do is how how much excess I get to. It would feel. We'd rising ran he a- applying any Being involved in any sport I should imagine not crowd. Yes sorry so It's wearing in uncharted territory with a bitty stuff at the moment so so everyone has a very different opinion about it. And and so in this instance waylaid by the call and so We're taking appointments from them. It's far too early to be talking about. This will be resheduled at some stage down. The right I understand really I. Tones will pick up a full races that I think for them to come back here and do all this again here at I. Another track supercars to get those flights on Though this is variously on We've got a lot of discussion to to to have to work at where we are Yeah so that'll be. Dingy course still sevens flights and We're not much change back. Checking police scoured things like that but otherwise you sort of pretty well radio voice. I have a couple of days Yeah we just sort of working through that now so we Regrouping get ready for the next one committee. You've actually paid at castle. I would struggle to remember one day the truth. I think this is a bit of a a sign of the times unfortunately and You know I don't want to make light of the situation but there's one person it's been diagnosed with controversial bars We CORONA CORONA virus. So I look at it and I find it. You know there will jumped on planes and flying back to Europe. Every drivers flew out. Yeah I told. That's where the disease is rampant. So if you're really worried about your health he stay exactly I. Just I don't understand that I I don't I'm not making light of the virus so any of that sort of stopped can't help but you know what some people are thinking. And and at the end of the day I one of the great things about a strategies would be removed from all these maybe. Nobody contained to a certain extent for the moment. So you know we just need to be aware of what's right for our fans and L. Employees and make the right choices on the light. Thanks Brian we look forward to receive. And that's from insight because tomorrow we'll be back with only John's inside. Supercars is produced by thunder media shooting next on for more or locking the podcast on itunes or mobile device search inside supercars the views expressed on inside supercars including the panelists and guests do not reflect the views of the network thunder media will sport radio any publication or broadcast of the show without the expressed written permission of fund. Media is strictly prohibited.

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NutriMedical Report Show Friday Aug 2nd 2019  Hour Two  John W Spring, NEED to Sit Before POTUS, Russian Nukes at America, Nicaragua and Venezuelan, Trade Trumps Nukes, Shared Nuke Defense,

NutriMedical Report

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NutriMedical Report Show Friday Aug 2nd 2019 Hour Two John W Spring, NEED to Sit Before POTUS, Russian Nukes at America, Nicaragua and Venezuelan, Trade Trumps Nukes, Shared Nuke Defense,

"All to keep you well. It's the doctor Bill. Eagles show presented by neutral medical dot com call eight eight eight six four zero one <music> and welcome back. We have the amazing John W Spring and by the way I'm making progress turns out Gary Franci who's a good friend undermine for years had lunch dinner with actually Donald Trump's three weeks ago and he runs next network which has got millions of audience watching video. He's often often doing multiple video clips every day. Read up to the minute news. It's amazing. I mean he's like the video version of drudge and I do want people to go visit next news. Network Gary Actually has context to the president. I'm working hard and making sure I'd get a contact either audio or video contact or actually written no I will pay for the tickets necessary sorry to fly John W spring directly to be face to face Mano Amano List President Trump not only about the danger of nukes from lower <unk> island and nipping authority but also other issues dealing with what's going on the president needs to address. I think trump's trying to do a good job but he has some bad advisers round needs to fire Mr ray of the F._B._i.. F._B._I.. We know people inside the D._O._J.. Actually decided to put a pass on Mr Komi getting charged but I'm thinking why would they even talk about that now because the Durham and the <hes> bar reports are gonNA come out they're probably going to impale a empanel a grand jury in most like Mr Komi all we have to Mr Obama. Mama and Valerie Jarrett at Clinton are going to get charged and is this the caller for the fall is orange <hes> we need to get missile defense and I believe that trump is probably on tap limited space force knowing insensitive my giving them the by supernatural intervention and by scientific knowledge having worked with missile defense twenty years ago by originated netted system and of course visions that God showed me two and a half years ago later bothered my genius friend w spring actually the geopolitical footwork to find the truth and in fact that works there with a two mile long runway for the Antonov one twenty four jets so the Russians to fly in within a matter of moments a launch a platform for intermediate range nuclear missiles and the latest ones are not just regular enough missiles there hypersonic cruise missiles that Mr Putin Newton is both as long as the spring of two thousand eighteen on on air on video that can strike America was <hes> at Mach <hes> seventy seven to mock nine which is seven to nine thousand miles an hour. You'll have to understand we're plus. We're talking about something extremely dangerous and the Russians although I've heard some rumors rumor that the Russians wanted to negotiate with America they have a nuclear gun aimed at our head the his within e._M._p.. WEAPON THE WEAPON OF INDIGNATION I've called or they could hit our military bases or population centers where they can enter allies and the fact is it's Russian nukes that you did the research John W spring the proved that all the nukes Mr Kim has not homemade the Russian reassembled from Rosatom just outside Moscow and and the fact is that that I don't know if trump and his advisors tell him fully really what's going on. That's why needs us down. The trenches of the of America have been around for decades <hes> and our brave enough to tell them the truth civil touring until he can do a better job which I believe trump wants to. I really man has a good heart he just wants to that's why I didn't WanNa hit the Iranians after Global Hawk hundred forty million dollar missiles with two hundred five hundred people so he decided not to but the warmongers inside his own government including the Rhinos WanNa beat the war drums. I believe that we can actually do lots such things before we ever talked about with Russia China Iran Venezuela North Korea that we can do lots of things that can actually re stabilize things very nicely the end swiftly with one loss of life or one billion dollars spent <hes> so John <hes> we're working hard. I'm hoping that I'll hear back from a very fancy either today over the weekend and if we can get a dry contact I'm GonNa put you in touch with police himself but I I'm really looking forward to that. <hes> Dr Deal <hes> I want to get our hopes up too high because you know why I have learned how to walk with God you know he walked with God you fill Your Cup with praise of God and he fills up your couples face and phases subs of things not yet received but but he's giving you a guarantee. It's coming like it's like a certificate. From God saying dives sending your present. It's coming by God Mazzano so Amazon is gone and God was going to deliver the ability of John W spring who saved us from the Cuban missile crisis in one thousand nine hundred three Grenada crisis. He's GonNa send a supernatural intervention to make sure that this president who's a good man wants to save America and the world from thermonuclear war because they they start one most of the population of human race on Earth are going to die and most living things will die loss of forces in new nuclear induced ice ages well. Oh yes <hes> <hes> this will do more than just reduced the human population to a half billion it will nope probability annihilated. If actually we won't even have playing left. If you start a nuclear war even in some countries or not directly reckoning affected by direct nukes the Ice Age all the other changes to the world climate will kill most of the other population will be very very few humans left so few that <hes> it's just unthinkable not only would be going back to the Ice Age but <HES> <hes> in in terms of technology <hes> I it it just could not cope or survive <hes> and very few humans. I know how to adapt to primitive conditions <hes> survive it is well. You might have a small number of Delta Force in special OPS beyond <hes> them you're not most of the population can't withstand four days without electricity power or you know their food rotting in the refrigerator and barking dog or or a hungry cat so the idea is as I say if the power just goes out and I I work with the Federal Government Operation Gratien top often dark where the emphysema and I can tell you in my work game simulations. We killed everybody every one of our war game simulations including Noah supercomputer in Boulder Work M._C. Relations Department Art Center down in Seventeenth Avenue with a spray out the second floor window was full called artificially weaponized anthrax in having our people people go with resenting quote symptoms to the local hospitals like university hospitals and Presbyterian Saint Luke's and whatever e._S._l.. We killed everybody. Anybody people need to realize we are so incompetent is beyond the Pale isn't it. Yes it is now <hes> if if I might digress for just a moment back to lower Sheila Island and Punahou aetate <hes> the immediate threat is from <hes> <hes> Latin America the Caribbean Central America but that's not all that that's just the preliminary <hes> part of the attack tech <hes> the same was true with the Cuban missile crisis. Everyone just focused on Cuba itself without realizing that that Cuba was to be just the initial strikeforce with <hes> <hes> several intermediate range ballistic missiles with thermonuclear warheads heads <hes> and <hes> even and we were able to <hes> I mean the the Soviets are the Russians would have been able to hit most of the continental United States but the purpose of that deployment Roy Moore was not to destroy the entire United States but rather to take out the most strategic sites so there could be no retaliation which would enable will Russia then to <hes> use the I._C._B._M.'s the intercontinental ballistic missiles with is much larger megatonnage but with so much <hes> let me insert some important because I'm very good at strategic Egypt things in war games <hes> the Russian do believe this have had far too much vodka. Apparently Mr Putin hasn't which is wild always got these weapons. He understands end the engages war with America. One of my friends who worked at <hes> <hes> a nuclear navy he was from Russia and he sold me a kind of a strong kind kind of being a Russian accent Dr Diggle. I I've got to tell you the truth. We always very that you had more advanced weapons in various thirteen and we do if you engage America we have weapons centuries ahead of you. Scare weapons can scramble your DNA at thousands of miles rods rods from God or Deputy Rame confided thirty five thousand miles or you won't even see it comment sonic boom scare weapons that can scan city like Beijing and kill everyone in it without even wilting plants windowsill while the paint from the laws scare weapons a contributor. I quit to completely wrecked China or break their there are three dam up on the Yellow River. They have no frigging idea. Excuse my English what would happen to them if they engage war with America. Even if there's only ten people in Space Command underground two miles underground the weapon systems America has would annihilate not just decimate any comer wants to engage even if they killed every damn to American cities you would see America as I said before <hes> Ah Chinaman or person from China. I'm going to refer to a person from China. Glue are a lot of decent people they're in China. They're nice people there would disappear the people from Russia including the license you know wonderful Babushkas and Russian people that are decent they would disappear they would fade into non existence and yes they would kill most of us back Bollywood happen. As in the first day three hundred million Americans would die a good portion of us because we're peppers I would make guest between eighteen sixteen and twenty million Americans would survive a thermonuclear clash but again the weather climatic disasters my pillow the rest because we're going to be plunged into a nuclear ice age so that sixteen million might survive the initial blast were plunged into an ice age. I would guess a one in one hundred would survive the ice age coming one hundred and that means you have to have food supplies means to grow crops and so on in decimated world which is Balsam Donnie radioactive active but remember they've also destroyed carbon auction cycle so the oxygen concentration drops. You have to have an oxygen concentrator live inside a container the secret place people don't realize what's coming. What's coming is Satan wants to abort the entire human race because he knows our destiny is to become the bride to the most I our destinies become the everlasting bride in dwelt by the spirit of God so we don't do evil to colonize the solar system in the cosmos is to become Tom? Coequal is a creator God because God fuses with us and we become collectively over the hundreds of trillions of humans that descend from us down through the ages with extended dimmed lifespans Cov is tariff warm Titan in Mars and spread out across the galaxy to bring order out of the chaos of the heavens not just going to heaven to to play Harps but the heavens God wants us to be the the angels. If you WANNA call it the the the the midwives of the of the cosmos that's that's our destiny is to become his wife to bring him children that will bring him glory and get to know them the glory and the beauty and the wonder of the most high God lives in eternity where there there's no pastor future and the everlasting bright his US living in time space serving God and completely incapable of evil in the future because evil will have been stomped out. It'll be taken out of our character for being and collectively. We'll be sanctified as the bride of the crater. That's our destiny is not to be wiped out by. I Satan in the globalist by the left and right where I wipe human racer causes to become transhumance I see even on drives to talk about experiments and making half human monkeys half half human rats so Virus that can paralyze you or Bioweapon Abega viruses bacteria. I'm also developing scaler weapons. I'm developing scatter weapon to kill off a pass Jen and even thousands of miles from the original source of entry into the country. Do you know that I'm building a scaler radio onic bioweapon destroyer that connects you destroy bioweapons opens for thousands of miles. That's what I'm working on outstanding now people who are you Dr Diggle. I am the re incarnation in the frame of for our day and if my wisdom and the wisdom of my co host like yourself don't percolate suit to the leaders of our countries. We are doomed named not because I'm wonderful but because I'm willing I'm willing to die for the most I god because I love him. I don't expect to get extra points in heaven. I just love I've got I'm willing to die for my creator. God who took me a a an unwashed sinner and sanctified me and even when he sent me back from having eight and a half now if you fall away from me bill and I was a little boy so much bad you know I will destroy you and I said I love you so much. God I will do your well to save your people on Earth and give them the truth. Initially he cried and he said no one has said this to me except your answer Sherm O'Shea that said take my name from the book of Life to save my fellows and for this reason when and you fall away I will shake your ugly carcass and I will make you my son again wants to do all those people out there that are centers make them on sons and daughters of the most I sanctify human race and wipe all war and pestilence and take evil out of the earth. Do you have difficulty taking supplements. 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That's one triple eight two one two eight eight seven one or or Newton medical dot com and listen to the Mitchell medical report on the genesis radio network with open lines every weekday moocher medical dot com bringing nutrition and medicine together and welcome back. We have John W spring here John. I'm going to give me your analysis of what you'd save. You had a chance to talk to police. What would you say well? I would say Mr President is it's a pleasure to meet you and <hes> I might mention a few things about myself and and I might share similar situation that you've encountered <hes> not quite as dramatic. Perhaps <hes> dramatic. Do we honest with you. I've lived a lot of inspiration has different levels all different people you receive supernatural intervention but you have the intelligence and the I q and the determination to find facts to back it up. I believe there are three levels of facts. Yes we have what I call. The open source which I call the sewer nat- or libraries we have Intel and I have still contacts inside the Intel agencies made them listen to my show in contact technique after and then third level super naturally and I believe God can give inspiration just to give you an idea that maybe you should pursue something and I believe God did that. I believe that you have a prophetic and apostolic calling you call yourself a Prophet and apostle but I believe it's an apostolic calling that actually saved us from the Cuban missile crisis in Grenada back in nineteen he needed three and god is holding back the winds of destruction because he wants to have grace he wants to give America time to repent. He wants to get world time to repent and it without people like awesome received the grace of God Moore. We're not wonderful. We're not better than the little baby neutral. It's going to be aborted and ten minutes. We're not better than the person who's committed murder who has repented President Dowell going to death row but he's repenting Christian. What we have to understand is God doesn't grade on the curve but he uses people as gifts them and he knows the end from in the beginning that people that are going to be obedient to him? He will give you major Grayson amplify your gifts so whether they're intellectual or gifts like gifts of this radio network network we're able to get the truth out to millions of people every week so that people understand the chosen truth will set them free but it's not the truth of a man. I believe a lot of the truth you have even there's technical details it's over it was seated by the will and the and the inspiration of the most I got so I give God all the credit. Despite the fact we have gifts those gifts even came from God so you know we're there to be. I I call themselves the guy that carries the bait bucket for the Lord. I'm not the fishermen. I'm the bait the right yes I. I don't know if ever share this with you. <hes> Dr Daego but back in nineteen fifty nine when I was <hes> twenty twenty years old <hes> I was I at that at that time I was actually <hes> considering premed and I had worked at emergency first aid station in Beverly Hills in the basement of the city hall and it just happened it was <hes> a my day off <hes> and so I decided to <hes> drive down to the beach where my parents were staying and <hes> <hes> my mother said to me <hes> <hes> dinner is not quite ready yet John <hes>. Why don't you go out for a swim now? The the time we're talking about was just after the lifeguards were <hes> getting ready to leave their stations which they did <hes> and loading up on the trucks and <hes> I I walk out <hes> across the sand and <hes> reach the shoreline and the Mo- The strangest phenomena <hes> Dr Bill that I have never encountered at <hes> at any southern California beach before in my my entire life I I reached the shoreline and the water was just as smooth as glass <hes> <hes> th there's there's always at least some surf and <hes> the the water was warm as <hes> what I had encountered <hes> about a year earlier at Acapulco the book will be and <hes> so I swam out about two hundred yards offshore and <hes> I could it was so quiet I could hear some children near their homes <hes> playing maybe just before or after their supper and <hes> there was still enough <hes> daylights and and the visibility was unlimited in front of me was Santa Catalina Island <hes> to my right was point Firmin <hes> in San Pedro Bay and to my left I can see the silhouette of <hes> Huntington Beach Pier and and <hes> even a little bit of Newport beach in the distance and there wasn't a single vessel on the entire <hes> horizon and <hes> a few minutes later I hear something as I'm facing away from shore <hes> coming from my left shoulder and so I turned my head to the last and I see this massive <hes> phenomenon of coming straight towards me and <hes> at first I thought maybe could be a small submarine and <hes> as it came came closer I I I knew I had to take evasive action but whatever it was it was <hes> propelling at a far greater rate than I could swim swim so rather than swimming further out I decided to <hes> swim opaquely towards this creature or whatever it was us and <hes> hopefully somehow reach sure well as it came closer. It became clear that it was some type of shark and even to this day I i. I'm not certain exactly what type of shark it was but <hes> And out of nowhere came this groundswell and I was able to body surf all the ways to shore to ankle deep water but but one thing I I need to share before I had that <hes> <hes> miracle of that groundswell I I said Dear Lord <hes> I I know there's no possibility that I would ever be able to get out of the situation alone. I and I'm thinking and talking to the Lord and a very rapid rate. That guy was in control of everything he has but I said if I should if he should show mercy and I should survive I will I will serve you the rest of my life with <hes> geopolitical. Oh matters because earlier I had come to the realization that none of our leaders in Washington really <hes> have the type of <hes> knowledge or wisdom that I did <hes> even though I was not a college graduate at that time and <hes> <hes> I basically at at that time <hes> e- even though it it took about another year I changed my major to an entirely different field <hes> and and <hes> so <hes> <noise> there is something very spiritual I mean <hes> he to preserve events other events that have memory mentioned. You're on the freeway one time after released information about the Cuban missile crisis and you thought someone was going to try to take you out see I. I believe that God <hes> is there for us in times where we think we're controlled really God's in control we have to hand over the fact that our very existence or next breath wrath comes from God that happened to me at birth eight and a half and also five years ago almost died. It happened almost again in January when I transitioned from Genesis and the Devil's trying to take me out one night and I and people said well. Why are you alive Daego? I said I'm alive because I hand over my life to God and and he knows that despite you know my failings failings misunder like everybody else that I always return to God and say you know God you're in control and I'm turning this over to God right now that Gary Fan or some other pathway. We're going to get to talk to the president because this president I believe was prophetically put their now. I know his father was a high level Royal Scottish Scottish Right Mason. I don't know if trump but I suspect is but I'm I see a lot of people have done great evil. In fact many masons have actually talked to. I remember <hes> <hes> I talked to one gentleman who's actually Jewish. ooh became a ninety s to mason now. I'm advanced knowledge. I could actually evangelize ninety three mason. She can imagine how much I know. I only talk about a tiny amount of what I know on every field whether it's geopolitical scientific technical or artificial intelligence because most people when they start to realize just exactly how many skills God's given me they think in my alien devil am I like the Web art project in my deep Speight intelligence agent trying to manipulate the public and I didn't get respect wherever I I didn't respect what I was even at clear channel. We tried to crack some jokes but you know I never got knocked off the air. I didn't get respected at Genesis network last year and a half because he wouldn't even let me say I had a show on the network and there are terrified. I was going to disagree with their chief. Honcho Alex Jones who's basically an operative love to control the narrative of stories over decades. He got particularly angry with me. Ninety two thousand seven hundred disagreed with physicist Dr Jones because I have a background nuclear visit. I'm not just a minor person. I've longed a nuclear division of physicians and saw for nuclear responsibility for forty years you know and then when people talk about environment I work with Pat Patrick more <hes> who is one of the founders of Greenpeace charter member Greenpeace fifty years ago so every one of these things got daytime where he put me through in many cases living hell and persecution for his sake now for my sake people's will why did you know. Do you know my very book in the Bible is job. You've been through a job experience Ovalles. God bless you go through the job like experiences to turn to God and totally rely on him and even at the moment of death when you're dying of cancer or violent accident or someone shot you because you're being assassinated. God Is there with you and he's there with America right now. America cricket is like ancient Babylon and they're writing on the wall. Many many tackle Perry's you saw with Detroit the debates with Stephen Rats last today's these people don't leave exceptionalism exceptionalism comes from God. They don't believe in the right of the constitution or the right individuals have autonomy. They don't believe in self protection. All these people are killed or no guns ninety eight percent of the time. What people don't understand is the entire Democratic Party is called Demon Rats and many of the Republicans are globalist Alissa believe their wisdom comes from there? I level training and one of the top schools no if your wisdom doesn't come from the Creator God is by Definition Evil and what you've done is even oh you have the intellect you've subserve that to God to say Okay God give direct me to find a source whether it's a public source or Intel source or just use my intellect to cross corroborate great things which you did a year Sogo so charlotte is Ruby Bryant Educational Person Give you credit but she didn't turn credit to Dr Diggle and the credit legal doesn't go to eagle goes got because he started showing me divisions two and a half years ago both the nukes enlarge Sheila Island and and put to where T- Nicaragua people need to know. Why do I know these it's not because because I have to tell people to contact me to I can follow up by one of my friends is a Pentagon engineer for years? I got people in tied Centcom. How do you know all this stuff diego? I said because head above top secret clearance and when I say things on my show which are classified 'cause I released more classified information on my show than all other radio T._v.. Shows ells on the planet in human history. There's nobody even close Anglo Daleks or anybody else. Including you know Jeff Branson coast-to-coast radio. These people are minor the players no one is even close and I give the facts backed up by logic evidence and Intel sources. I don't WanNa give up my sources but I I can tell you when I get people like yourself on God's brought these people to me like you know Ken Klein. WHO's the family survived? The Holocaust is Jewish Christian. I call them in the framework mark of Ezekiel believe it or not. He's like the Prophet Ezekiel in our day. We Got Yourself John Spring probably most brilliant military analysts available in your eighties now with with past experience and awards for the fact you save the country from an attack that attack happened Cuban Missile Crisis Russia would have ruled the world since right. They want to be rolling world by the way even right now. With Kyra tens only starting to develop nuclear weapons they get intermediate range weapons in the South China Sea islands and they're trying to build military trey basis tied in with her belt and road program but people need to understand is if America does not become righteous the world was going to decay to annihilation and the globalist like the ones on the you know look. There's one of these candidates. I'm not gonNA mention his name. 'cause they. WanNa give him credit. He said it's too late. We have to move people to high ground in other words. The world is is finished mover where people to higher ground and they want to spend two hundred dollars which we don't have. I believe we can ever save your neck and I disagree with people even my pastor Butch Bob says it's not in the constitution do to take care of people. Yes is it is the ties was to begin to the colony. My ancestors who later became the Maj I because he married the daughter of the King of the meads and they gave the gifts to so you should because he knew he was the Messiah my ancestors madge. I people need to know this. Who is this guy? Dr Diggle God has sent me as the gift you out their American world and against the job w spring and support him again. If you want to donate so we can put a ticket together to fly them to produce. We've gotta again in front of voters sooner rather than later because they want to assassinate when I've got word they tried to four days ago. Are you still looking for that. 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We have the amazing neutra complete the most complete read and re greened drink in the world with the best this must feel and flavor often mix it to better mineral Mexx which are fruit flavored mixed power vitamin stay well with neutral medical every day <music> and welcome back John Continue. So what would you say to what we being your primary Korea things you'd say if you're sitting mono mono let's say with little fire on and you've got you know you're sitting in the Green Room right beside the why the the Oval Office and he's sitting sitting in his chair comfortably in your in your chair and your loan basically maybe you've got a reporter. They're kind of recording things other than that have to be a White House reporter so it'd be classified information. <hes> what would you say well. I I would have to get to the point of my reason for the visit and that is primarily because we have a missile crisis. We have a missile crisis which you I to read how he's interpreting what I'm saying and then take it from there. Basically I would add a couple of things too that the first thing I think one number one is you have to understand it that you you're save Christian and a lot of your inspiration is not only the fact that you're a genius geopolitical analysis but gods inspire you to intervene now for the third time. This is a big deal and then he also you need a reference the fact that why you're bugged by your cohort Dr Bill Who's the host of the show you're run regularly because you're a major player here my network my show at least once a week and that God showed your <hes> your cohort Dr diggle visions and and at that God said to you that Dr Bill sees the Doctor Donald Trump is called to be there liking Cyrus of Persia that rebuilt the Temple of Jira Bobble Bowl that God has a supernatural purpose for God Denali Save America but the world to save the State of Israel and we haven't repent and basically right now Israel's in grave danger danger. I mean they have the if you know the number of missiles only missiles do you think are aimed by Iran directly after Hezbollah directly at Israel rate now within striking distance of fifteen to twenty minutes yes well wh when you're including Hezbollah the short range missiles along the <hes> <hes> <hes> Sinai Peninsula <hes> you're you're you're. You're probably talking about a hundred <hes> missiles aimed at Israel right now. Maybe even two hundred <hes> what no let me let me give you some facts that I have for my classified sources. We have twenty five to thirty thousand regular missiles and highly accurate retarded with missiles fifteen hundred that's acid within the range within five to ten minutes of hitting any target inside Israel accurately like a airbase or airport or runway and we're talking on medium intermediate range missiles from from Iran or from Russia or long range missiles. There's an incredible number and of course remember anywhere with Iran with Israel would be pull immediately Russia in to fire missiles at Israel two in Israel's GonNa respond the very first missile that they can even see coming because they're building <hes> basically any missile systems. We're funding the Israelis to develop not only iron dome but also the advancing the theater defense system which has been advancing oversteps twenty five years ago when I was involved in taking care of the technicians involved in working at the White Sands Missile Bait and Vandenberg in California what people need to understand is razor advancing things he's like the Tesla Plasma Radio Systems to actually hit missiles with lasers or with plasma weapons from the ground and drone based systems actually can have a drone they can actually targeted missile is it's coming over the horizon. What people need to understand is the Israelis because they're in such extreme danger actually scrabbling very quickly to bill missile defense vince only for them but us and our allies and America's funding a lot of it okay I have contact with people missile defense in Israel and their main office by by the way in Los Angeles California? What people need to start grasping here is that God is trying to give Donald Trump supernatural evidence information? He also should understand that darn what is also given Dr Diggle the advance brilliant pebbles system which was conceived given to Ronald Reagan in fact. I talked to a four star general who sat between Ronald Reagan mystery your Mikhail Gorbachev and when Ronald Reagan talked about Star Wars Gorbachev had fit they call bird you know in the back nearly nineteen eighteen eighty s and as I star general told me two miles underground on July tenth nineteen ninety-four how much Gorbachev freaked out and realized that Ronald Reagan was trying to be reasonable because he was listening at the time to live the Larouche who's wanted to share missile defense with Russians and he'd be honest with the Russians should be natural allies verse rather than enemies days we created and because we need to have a dialectic of opposition just King Nimrod about of Babylon the globalist wanted oppositional power like China or Russia to be able to uh-huh potentially destroy America this giant military industrial complex. This is all a game and Russia doesn't WanNA play this game. Although the Russians are tough I mean they're the red red-haired Eastern. If you WANNA call it the vikings from from the inner areas of of you know Russia but we honest with the same genetic people as my ancestry in Norway the name or my wife who's A._J.. ONC- Viking these are tough people they lived in northern climates they had to survive incredible weather and hunt and fish and everything but the the problem is Russia would should be a natural ally of American enemy in fact. There's even prophecies going back five hundred years inside the Orthodox Doc Russian Church that Russia at some point in time. We'll be a major player in helping to save the world from a recall weaponize beasts well. The weaponize weaponized visas the United Nations the British Empire's new incarnation the United Nations and the enforcer of that is America. We are the the enforcer of the kapos world. We're the beast in fact whether it's artificial intelligence or military power other nations would like to pretend that they have equivalency to to America including Russia. They're delusional and we need to understand that and they didn't understand that's why they're terrified because incident financial force of America even the treaties that got Donald Trump is doing are going to guarantee. The neural daughter is going to build a quote the ten kings that have power with the beast with one hour the U._S.. M._C. Treaty although it's a better replacement for the NAFTA Agreement if done wrongly will force the world into a world order where America and its banks in its international corporations run the world and they'll have total hegemony. It'll be a right sided beast. Remember the new world orders a two legged beasts right leg and left leg. People don't really they all look at the left leg. Say although Stephen Stephen Rats no no no no. There's a right leg to the beast to and many of the people advising trump are not right leg. They want America to scare the heck out of these other nations and so they make a treaty with us. They want us to terrify them. Economically like Iran. Iran doesn't WANNA fight America Ron was actually an ally in pastime for with us. I wanted to point the points on this. When you talk to trump you need a point historical facts that Iran and Russia should be natural allies of America not enemy should they this is this is this is so true <hes> going back to the civil war of course <hes> <hes> Czarist Russia wasn't ally for the United States and a an area to Britain because they weren't ally Britain made it in our public documents? They're aggravated by Russia with actually sent ships and threaten to fight Britain to make sure that and <hes> when we had our war with with the Britain that they were going to back us yes yeah people don't know this. Do they know by the way <hes> I. I'm sure you're aware this <hes> Dr Daego but perhaps members of your listening audience are not <hes> at the end of the civil war our <hes> the there were those that felt we should <hes> <hes> make a payment of reward to Russia for <hes> their naval fleets assisting ours <hes> against the British <hes> however over <hes> the others felt that we should not give any money to any monarchy and of course the czarist Russia that the time was a monarchy so <hes> one of the Russian diplomats said well <hes> <hes> we we would like to make suggestion we we have the worst worthless land <hes> called Alaska and <hes> <hes> rather than <hes> making payment to who <hes> the czar <hes> just make payment to the Russian government <hes> <hes> for this worthless land <hes> souliers secretary of State seward. We'll be able to <hes> <hes> make payment and at the same time <hes> not not upset those who post payments whereas we acquired in Alaska as a as a reward to Russia for helping us in their war isn't that interesting historical fact which by the way very almost nobody knows his the fact that that that's so true <hes> and <hes> of course Alaska's a very interesting place <hes> I I happen to visit <hes> the <hes> old <hes> Russian Orthodox Church in Sitka Alaska before it burned down and since then it's has been rebuilt but <hes> it was remarkable that <hes> one of the monks or or <hes> AH priests <hes> was able able to actually build a clock <hes> for that steeple and <hes> <hes> it was back in nineteen sixty that I I I was in Alaska as a few decades ago and <hes> <hes> I spoke with one of the <hes> Russian Orthodox priests and he said that even some of the elderly Eskimo women at that time could still the speak Russian. You know so you can go to if you go to Alaska. There's still people that are rushing heritage and remember the fact that Russia and so <hes> there's a there's a deep alliance Alaska with Russia. Now of course there was a while Russian colony here in California <hes> Sevastopol or the ball yeah how how do you pronounce it but <hes> so much for the American history but yes <hes> there have been a a lot of <hes> <hes> connections relations <hes> with Russians nations <hes> <hes> and <hes> I I would like to see these <hes> improve but <hes> it's kind of difficult in relations to improve when you're in a missile over here you're you're with the dialectic of missiles and the dialect of Economic House for example in Chinese because because they're communist and member where did you think the fastest growing church on Earth and by the way there there's all kinds of Christian I mean <hes> The the fastest growing church in in China is Evangelical Christians going on and some Catholics but mainly evangelical and they they're persecuted in fact active. You have one and I've had this over twenty five years now. If you're on page of the Bible evangelize in China you could send to arrive to a loud. I Camp One at twenty thousand camps and the first I think tissue type you for your organs now if they decide that you're tissue came up to a given individual your liver your lungs whatever in Europe or say at emory were they tried to recruit me back in nineteen eighty seven to this cartel of International Oregon trade which is by the way run by Intel agencies these international agencies <hes> they tissue type you and the first thing that happens if if the tissue comes up the charge your family for the bullet to kill you in the back of the head Eh whip your organs on a Schwinn ice cream truck like device for where they have operating rooms small ball by the airport and by the aircraft with the organs ready to be transported awarded to Oregon Transport by rapid flight to say Europe or America people are known this these are making this up Dr Deke. You're making this up. You're just really good storyteller storyteller. No Not God's storyteller. He shows things to me on the natural by having me goes through Living Hell C._d._C.'s personally I ride to my desk one day in my my office in Augusta Georgia nine hundred ninety seven and I couldn't believe I had honey ham and all kinds of cool stuff like whoa. This is like a feast so I said it was a letter. Take rose from a vascular surgeon I said why did you do this. He says all I wanNA talk so I sat down with them for lunch at a local restaurant any offered me to become a <hes> because working trauma burn unit and Emergency Department so I'd have people coming in dying of head wounds rock climbing accidents or there had a stroke in there young person's an injury and they wanted to whipple their fresh Oregon's and they want me to be part of this kind of occult cartel grabbing arguments with people who otherwise might survive now God. Let me see all this stuff. I you know what I told him to do. After I found say take this honey ham and inserted directly which would have heard a lot by the way it's so you ought to know God. Put me through this so I know this firsthand not secondhand dark. Nichols are reporting because it's a good story story. I'm trying to entertain you. I WanNa scare you into the arms of the most guys and we want to get you in front of police. Now that's important zinc w the spring we'll get you

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Claude Silver: Chief Heart Officer at VaynerMedia | #ThePlaybook 152

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21:47 min | 1 year ago

Claude Silver: Chief Heart Officer at VaynerMedia | #ThePlaybook 152

"On this episode of the playbook I have the chief heart officer of Bainer Media. That's right Gary Banner. Chuck's own Claude. Silver She's talk about turning all of your employees into heroes and the generational differences in the workforce. Today join me for all this more on the playbook. This is entrepreneurs the playbook each week. I bring you some of the greatest athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional sooner playbook to success in what made them champions on the field and in the boardroom. I'm your host and CEO of Sports Marketing. David Meltzer Meltzer all right day shelter with the playbook. I am so excited ipod. Silver cheap heart officer of one of my favorite places Mater Intermedia. Yeah and it's when I walk in here the goal of my business and I love people walking. I love the energy in this place and this this is one of the few places of all the thousands of offices I get to visit that I walk in and I love the you're at the front door welcoming. Aj comes around. What is the the secret sauce decreasing energy or frequency to a workplace now? Friendliness authenticity kindness and kindness of concert kindness in friendliness but the authenticity sided think really is difficult because people confuse what that really means and and I think it's almost a faith pasting to be authentic meaning. I don't mean religious faith but voting for who you are. Yeah kind of heard of that so you know where it comes from from is Gary is what you see is what you get. Aj is what you see is what you I am what you see is what you get and thus think it relaxes everyone to just just be who they are. And you know Bernie Brown. Has this incredible quote that I use all the time which is true. Belonging doesn't require change who you are just requires you to be who you are and like that's that's it. That's what we're putting the system here and yet in a corporate environment you know. There's all these different rules regulations. There's things that exist because people's livelihoods careers and yet we have to balance the authenticity with the rules and regulations nations and as a chief officer. You sometimes probably have to deal with activity. That may not be the most positive because there's rules. Well there's rose rules because people are people. I'm dealing with people issues all day long. And that's that's the name of the game so there are guide. I think there's guardrails guidelines here. I don't even think of them as rules anymore. Because you you take old school. Hr and what would they. They're back closet and they're just doing compliance in their reactive all all day and they're on the defense and our ethos is to be on the offense and to be. Yes I trust I rather than net your employer bad. You're wrong prove it to me and we're just opposite and money. Yup is another energy that exist a lot of people have business business atmosphere scarce energy and one of the things that I know comes down from Gary and use this idea budgets. One one of the funniest the things when I met Gary because he was started sports agency which was something that I could help with home and at that time ever thought about asking him for help so he was like Stephen got to help you do something. I keep score. If he wants to be a head on this guy. I've ever seen competition of who could be the most someone I love that so I decided you know what. Let him help me build abilities brand Soviet instagram possible moving forward. You know you took took the title chief heart officer kind of straight away from each are hoping why was that. Well two reasons. I mean one I was never in. HR strategist for years and years. I started my surfing company in San Francisco. Like I just that would be so inauthentic and out of my integrity to be like. I'm the head of something I've never. Everyone had a but the real deal is that it's Koi but like human beings are the central operating system of an agency of a company. Anthony and hurt is the central operating system of a human being so for me it was like heart. Were hurt human. It's the same exact thing and I actually don't even know what human resources purses means and that's not a like a cut on hr but it needs a rebranding anyway. So the idea of pulsing more heart love of whatever it is into the water here rather than compliance and that connotation of an archaic brands such as HR would just speak out of alignment with who we are one of the things that icy whether it's the financial institutions that we deal with the governmental institutions are financial institutions and even and are educational which Gary actually comments on allied cat. Writes in internal. Here is really interesting because like the HR HR institution itself the technology that we have and I believe the frequency and vibration that we're at now so far accelerated past where where these traditional institutions were. Yeah and I think as the chief heart officer one of the greatest challenges that he'd probably faces that you still have to deal for example with the the financial institutions and the judicial institutions. The healthcare system in that is part of your role here because it's part of the responsibilities. I assume we still it'll happen. How do you reconcile you know because I think in business? It's a really for the playbook challenge most entrepreneurs how do I reconcile. Ah the traditional way of life with this accelerated technology and growth and expansion and views. Because sometimes they're complete conflict right so people ask me all the time. What's the unkindness? Let's see our Wyan being chief officer in the number one zero is retention eight percent retention retention because it it takes three times as much money to rehire to hire that person who's unhappy or in when engagement is low so eighty eight percent retention is how contributing to the bottom line and then those people that are retained are bringing people word of mouth. So I'm not paying anyone to go find those people so that's how I distracted. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'll do anything. My Gosh we get that hand over fist and we're so so incredibly grateful. So that's that's how I that's how I put those two things together. which is which is a real business case when I talked to Alan our CFO? Who's obviously very much like right? Brain minded ended. And you know I have so much empathy because he deals with me and Gary over here. It's like hey we are contributing. Because you're not paying for more services to go recruit recruit so forth and so on one of the ways to marry yet one of the ways that creativity that you have I went in. I was speaking university and the head. professor. They'll be entering for Gerry. Vermont so the interns getting the mentorships. I'm Tang obviously the content itself mentorship. Yes but there's a lot of integral internships that go on. Not Just Gary Shadow Gary for a day or I mean there's the next level down from the management director. Is they take on the responsibility of accelerating other people's elevating others to elevate themselves which gives you a whole another dimension to what's going on. Yeah so the thing that scares me by the way that scales Gary Skills May which is like what we need in a company of almost thousand people and the the other thing is. I'm sayin' constantly is as leaders. We're guides were just were Sherpas and my the job your job. Your job is to turn all of them into the heroes. It is not about me being a hero or me Blah Blah Blah. I worked for them. Gary works for them. And so so the more I can get that into the water of all those managers and those mentors. It's like we're we're just returning each other into champions and so then you have a real are all star team which is like in. It's true blue. You can't fake that. You said something earlier that you I live by. It's hard to articulate. I see the word kindness. Probably Sixteen Times in. This office is not that big most expensive real estate. He can't be in New York City but I try to tell people always say what's the most important lesson that you've learned a or you could teach me and I'm like be kind. Be kind not right. Yeah kind of your future self you. You don't cut all these different great things but I'm also a really like Gerry. Pragmatic money-making machine. But but I. I don't know very many people. I'm not going to talk about myself. But like Gary that really is a kind humble candid person and he would choose kindness over anything but yet money flows to this company into him and I wish more people could figure out. How do I really put faith in just being kind in advice on where you can make that leaks? I think people are just too afraid to be dicing. The kind that they're going to somehow cheated right because people have that guard up and they've got that armor up and so to be vulnerable like that and let down your guard and be nice to your fellow. Oh human being just seems like an oxymoron. Right like why would I do that. You're gonNA stab me in the back. It's like when we have to remember these simple rituals as like we shake hands. How how many times a day? Twenty twenty-five this is a ritual that we're doing constantly which is baton that little ritual is saying right here right now. We're safe. I got you. You Got Me Institute or we pick up the ball the thing about kindness though is it stems from self-awareness so understanding why might feel scarcity today or why I might feel like your energy is not quite mind so I'm going to cover myself up rather than being open and then maybe helping to guide you you too like. Hey you're coming on release strong whatever so that self awareness is self. Awareness is the gateway to empathy kindness. Compassion respect gratitude but in order to in order to do you have to do the work and by the way. It's not hard to be kind. The thing is David is is is think about. We're kind to our family. Were kind to the people in our soccer team or kind to the waitresses. Were kind of this and that. So why don't we kind in here. What's what's the why? Don't we just flip that switch and so bringing heart and humanity into the workplace as the only thing I care about so interesting because I figure it works both ways to that. Some people are the opposite. You know I remember my wife. When I was in my thirties in delving deep into the corporate money making machine the person that I was my dentist he was tied every year? How much money I was making but I would leave dinner one time in my wife? She shook my whole world. They left the table to go talk to the client or customer came back into ever notice she was. Why is it that you pay more attention in your nicer to somebody? You hardly even know then you are to me second. I think the same thing president would work is you know sometimes is either competitive and in the have interference interference between what truly connects us. Technologies boasted connect us and this is a technology company. Most companies are nanometers technologies content electronics company. And we use these phone but I feel we both deals a lot of millennials that were actually more disconnected in all the districts than I see about happiness. Venus depression and anxiety did a suicide. For Children's event last night called air. The numbers are staggering in years. They're like the people I didn't know this existed but there's a large number of growing kids who kill themselves under twelve let. Alone millennials millennials. Let alone under fifty and so part of being a chief operating officer or even for me where responsibility to see oh my mission. In life is the impact people to be happy. I said I think you I walk around here. I would ask you not knowing you that well I can do the people here ear. Your what is your mission here. At the company it is to make this a place of belonging and bravery bravery Yup belonging and bravery. And what would it people bring about themselves to be themselves. They're aches pains life for for for each and every person is starting that when that alarm clock wakes up it doesn't start when they walk through the door. So what the heck's going on death in the family dog is sick I got in gauge. So you know we want to. We want to embrace their whole self and so I want to create a place belonging where people feel psychologically and physically safe safe to connect to even just walk through that door. Gay Straight Black White doesn't matter emotional and physical and that is my visit sir. I need enough room I need. Don't be on me right. And then the bravery is to show up as they are. And that's what I love about this place this you know we've got people here who are gender fluid. It's second grade you know. We've we've got people here with unseen handicaps that I know of because I sit in this chair and then seeing handicaps I'm real. I'm so proud of that. You know we've got P.. I mean we're in a were. The world now is is all about multigeneration so so we're teaching relationship skills here you've got gen-x you've got you've got boomer's got millennials and you've got the you know the nineteen year olds gem zero. That's four different. And it's it's my job to teach them how to relate in a way to each every generation and all of us we we just we need to be more empathetic. And you're looking at from the boomers down to the Gen zero. What do you think if you could take me through the difference that you see the separation? Not because I into this why I don't like Doug Religion one this yeah but I do being in your our position a lot. See these differences. That if I could get more clarity from someone has such enlightenment of you. What those differences that UC generation early that caused is the separation? So take me from the oldest boomers out there so I'm not a boomer. I'm an actor but what I know about boomers as you came out of the people. Oh that had been in wars and depression and so from there was scarcity and it was literally like dad went to work. Mom stayed home so forth. And so on you get a a Gen Gen Z.. Or millennial who is entitled because they have had most in the western world the greatest riches of all times they. We have had access to any kind of information right here. They've had access to things that even a Gen xer hasn't so I think the the the push pull or the tug of war of entitlement has been is really difficult to kind of grab grasp your head around helicopter parenting to whole `nother thing. What the heck is that? Yeah you've got the boomer the gen-xer and were like Gosh we like. We kinda grinded and we didn't talk about it and by the way. No one asked us us if we wanted to grow and learn and no one asked us about our feelings and now you've got this great generation the millennials and and the Z's who are so vocal Michael about their feelings their wants their needs their desires. How are you going to get me there? One even get there give me feedback. Make me proud and the thing is is like David. I'm sure for you felt. I'm sure you if someone asked you but I'm like Let me tell you how I'm feeling today. No one asked so you just went. No one asked so what ended up happening to a person absolutely because no one was asking. I started to ask people. Just that's my DNA. which is how I ended up in this chair? You know so. That's why I can then teach those people to take time out. Beat kind give a high five ask someone eat lunch for someone. Turn that other person into a winner and very few people do cry culture based on values. And that's really what you've done here and I built my company on Gratitude Forgiveness Accountability Inspiration and always. He's asked questions. Like I learned here must have been asked three times. What can I do you for? Your service can provide value but the other aspect is really the difficult and I think it's harder for the younger generations and that's asking for help in a really is equally important to be of service as it is to have the humility to ask for help and simply do you know anyone that could help me as a question I loved to train. I love that question and I get that in here and I think that's also encourage people to ask well. It's an open dialogue so of course it's like anything I can do for you so forth and so on. Sometimes I'm like if I had a magic want. What would you want me to do here? You know we're coming out of review cycle right now. So people are coming in and they're like I had a really bad review are you didn't get the increase I wanted. We go through through it. And I'm like okay. So what do you think this says. I'm a poor communicator. What does that mean was giving your communication style and so that is one way for them to come in to thank? You told me you can't communicate. Yeah so that's the cool thing like it's a it's a mosaic out there. Everyone's got their own little shape and size and somehow it fits together. This motley crew called viner media and and that's cool last question time you know. It's such an interesting thing. A lot of people. Don't talk about it but because things happen mm so quickly that we expect things to happen faster. And it's very hard to allow the pieces to come together. One of the greatest challenges I have. I call it folk looking to focus on acceleration in growth instead of the end. You know I mean united old enough stuff to do during the day like that used to take me for just just travel and go to Amsterdam and remember it was like to go to Amsterdam. And they'll phone walking maps themselves. But how can we help people. I understand that everything does come in the right time. Perfect way in the end. It's the journey the journey not the destination. Exactly Zack. It's a marathon not a race I think the first way. Is you talking more me talking more in sharing about the times in which we failed getting real real about times in which we thought we would get there you know I might have thought I was going to be. The president of the United States. Hasn't happened still might happen but hasn't happened. Thank you got my uh-huh Jodi not a doubt I love it so I think for US Geezers to share more of our story and then also I talk a lot about energy management rather than time management energy management paying attention to how you feel. What's up what do you feel when in setting near o'clock for two hours you're going to just grind? Then you get up go on instagram. You do whatever you want because we do expect things to be so immediate now because of this android in so many ways. Yeah it is so this says what's real and so when you and I can sit down and break it down to someone and be like yeah you know it. Didn't it didn't happen overnight. Like my twenty S. Were frigging disaster. Let me tell about those thirties. Focus too much trouble right heart heads. Yeah I can imagine so I think really sharing sharing what the journeys like because you haven't reached a destination saination at reached the destination. And I hope to God. It's one hundred one hundred ears now. I'm saying absolutely well. There's a reason why this is one of the best longer as long as they work in. One of my favorite places visit It's been such a joy. I think you know reiterating the lesson that Lee Steinberg Tommy is reiterated. Here's the best that you can do be kind be kind to your future self better than right but most of all think kindness. I find the light in you. Know it's the adage the friend over here the GERBIL WTN's honored yesterday air for suicide of children but they talked about the. The old ancient added tools inside of you positively negatively community and the little boy asses people which wolf in Saudi wins. He says which everyone you fe- you guys. So I've have claws silver. I'm getting choked up. Dave announcer feeding the right here at diener media entrepreneurs the playbook by hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as me on a personal note. I just wanted to thank everyone for making the playbook such a success. Don't forget to continue it

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Why 5 Is My Favorite Number | Episode 5 of The Tartare Project with Phil Toronto

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21:39 min | 2 years ago

Why 5 Is My Favorite Number | Episode 5 of The Tartare Project with Phil Toronto

"Hey, guys. It's Gary the and I'm coming up on the tar project with film Toronto. Episode five of the tar tar projects. I've very very very special guest both in stature and in my life, Gary vein, or Chuck I couldn't be more excited. Most of you know, I've been working with Gary for the past nine years, which is insane. It's a very large number. He is essentially a big brother to me because I'm only child which was great growing up. And now I have some questions about. But mom and dad, I love you either way you obviously know that, but we're just going to dive right in the fact that Gary episode five is special for him because it's actually his favorite number. So Gary s for everybody who was sitting at home saying Jesus for all the ways you put fill on. You would think you'd be episode one. This is actually another indication of how well Phil knows me being episode five means a lot more to me. So thank you for doing that. That's who was episode one drama love it first question. This is actually this is going to be the shortest episode of the tar tar project ever, I'm going on record and saying that just for time efficiency because a I want to have a big meeting with you after this, but be that selfish and be the Gary just loves time hacking. So first, question's wise five your favorite number because a lot of people don't know because I picked it when I was five years old if I hit my consciousness that having a favorite number mattered at five. And I decided that five was the numbers since it was really kind of like the only number in my life at the time huge. And that's also essentially how you became a jets fan. Someone told you you were a jets fan. Eric Godfrey netizens jersey in August of nineteen eighty two told me I was jets fan. And that's how I became a jets fan favorite food of the moment. You know, I'm really on fried chicken. God. I like it. I really like it. It's just it's delicious. I really m- into it. And like like from like, high quality, David Chang stuff to like like the most ghetto one off place on a highway like I can really get into fried chicken in all shapes and sizes. I completely get behind that totally. A lot of you guys have seen a ton of Gary's content. We all have it's all about working hard. It's persevering. It's giving you the kick in the ass that you might need. But I have the privilege of knowing that Gary is isn't grinding and hustling all the time. And it's actually pretty important that there's downtime, and it's a conversation that a lot of people shy away from and don't have a lot. So I think highlighting the fact that you actually do take a lot of joy in leisure and break time and actually keeps you sharper yet is super important, and I'd love to talk a little bit about what you do to get that release in just take a break and have you time, and you've watched me a ball because I'm the most checked out on weekends that I've ever been right at the recording of this afternoon gradual process, right like probably seven or eight or nine years ago. It was very little like I was always on those even during the weekend. I was physically there. But I was pretty connected, and I continue to be less and less and less connected. The vacation time as you know, the aug were have always not always both five or six years when you in tennis. Yes, my favorite. That's basically what he'll knows me super. Well, literally, I brought up the aug thing mainly to reference filled Nate and trout, Nate and trout. My partners and empathy wines dot com. Please order now. About a case to book this interview. That is true, by the way. That's how savage we play around your pass. No bike as fine. All three of them have zero combined wins against me and tennis. Yes. Zero zero including a weekend maybe two summers ago where we constantly played you. And I were you six four, and I was nervous. You might have been four three tram. Nate has had me five to three times natives had me five to three times and has lost seven five every time. You know, why breaking I mentally decided I wouldn't lose. Yeah. And then you mentally break. Just completely razzing. Jerry's one of the top Rogers. Because it comes from such different angles. You think it's a compliment then you'll get our later like, wait a minute. Delicious. Actually, have you noticed. Stop razzing as much. Yes, I give let me give native. Let me be very I love giving you some content. I love razzing. I don't know if it's a form of passive aggressive like, I'm such a giver and nobody's asking. So I've created this framework. I realized a couple years ago where I give so much, but then I create a level of resentment and the way I handle it is because I subconsciously know that I'm giving a lot of times without even people asking which then creates entitlement and the way I get better is like the way can deal with it is by razzing people about it a little bit. I really Nate pointed out to me, and it's really helped me a lot like I'm trying to be better not just giving for the sake of giving. And you know, that we've had as business partners some conversation over last year's which is weird and you have to recalibrate equilibrium. It's been really good though. I do love razzing. But I like in sports is really acceptable fella goes Razan a little bit too much in life. Really thank me for for helping me with that on that note. Phil talking about razzing. Phil was my admin when he was training Nate to become the next Adleman because Phil was going to work in being her media as a as the earliest, the early apps that reporting he was going to help consult on that was a great idea like a solid execution like we weren't early to early. And we weren't we too early for Wien. Her idea was right concept was like be the first company and the brands of the company that worked with banner to do deal with mic-mac musically anytime something popped peach like all of it Vero like just with first brand to do stuff. It was super smart the vein or fill was capable. I was capable of the company wasn't ready to take it. Even now, it's hard nonetheless fill completely sabotaged and razz Nate. He wanted to move onto his next thing. But are very close. The big brother thing is real. And I think like in theory was great like, hey, you're moving up. You're gonna get this gig. But then when it's kind of like high school, but I can't wait to get out of this place. And then you've got two weeks ready to go to college. I'll hang your mother, six months. That's kind of thing. What happened a little bit there? The unknown was much more real. There was no direct role yet when it was brought in and you weren't treating enough yet to know like not doing anything for two years as acceptable. If I've decided in the macro, it's right? Yes. So I got super nervous. And plus you're like in love with one of our employees acting weird bell a little bit before that. But of course, I came up to, but yeah, that was ever become too getting fired Gary one day. This literally literally called me and asked me do you wanna get fired which is a tough question to answer head on? But not that much, and it was no. And we talked about it and fix the behavior crushed fill since his vill show. Fill is. Unbelievably capable on turning on a dime. Similar to me. It's a big skill set of his even look so great right now like weight and stuff like like just in the macro similar to me. Something admire about you. I think it's a very important skill. I appreciate that. I also think it leads to happiness sometimes it leads to covering up on happiness. Like, we have a lot of fun. Similarities that way. Yeah. Totally agree. Yeah. Good looking very capable harming humble. Confident. You got two more minutes. What he wants one last question? It's the sign off question. I ask everybody. Oh, yeah. I like the way your intro. The very very, it's amazing. How people that you hang out with take from each other. And both ways I completely hot take from. And can't stop saying. I'm like desperately trying to get out of it right now. I'm currently stuck on hot take. And I'm desperate to get out shouting. Jay, I'm getting you out. You're not doing a heartache right now. What is a guiding quote life, motto or theme that you live your life by it's always in the back. You're my hot take on that got damning. I really really really believe that I have a lot of them. Like one thing that I definitely took for my. Great grandfather that I never my grandfather. She's made my grandfather that I never got idea to meet. But I don't remember him. He died after I came to America. He was coming. He was behind us. So I don't remember my debt my mom's dad, but it's crazy with every going on with me. And I was always this way long before I put out content. The thing that she loved because she loved my mom loves me. Because I'm the first born she loved me, the most fun fact and she loved her father. She lost her mom. She was five she loved that. I mainly speak in analogies. And that's what made me so good at like social media. And that her dad did that. And so I have a lot of them. It was funny. How many popped in my head as you're asking the question doing the right thing is always the right thing really love that. Just love it. And then probably just not go to long winded. I'm really passionate about giving more than I take. A really a really really in the micro. And like kind of like the way I'm thinking about myself in the public. I I really meant to it. Jab jab jab right hook and then having the stomach to be okay. When the right hook doesn't land. That is like the part. I gotta keep pounding. You know, you're being subconsciously kind to me of like man, I hate the people picking on Gary thinking that he's trying to get people to overwork because you understand the nuances of my message. Jab jab right hook has been manipulated of give give given take. It's give an ask. And if they don't deliver you're still okay because he gave for the purpose of giving. Go back to crush in two thousand nine I do not speak about working team today. Speak about working eighteen hours a day when you fucking love it like worked ten hours. I don't keep shit be happy, and you sleep more than people realize I really do especially lately, which has been a really smart pivot. I really didn't sleep all that. Well, actually to your point five and six and seven were super consistent. I do have a bunch of fours on my resume because I travel a lot. But to your point like a lot of people think it's like three to four is the max, I'm in like six is like real target seven is really good target to and I'm super chill with it. And then a weekends. I'm like eight nine ten. Let's go like sleep is Warren. I go hard. I'm exhausted people like how do you turn off? Look fucking finished at midnight. I went hard, you know, Hooper fuck in seventeen hours like I'm constantly on. So like it's easy to sleep. Amazing. What outlets do some more fun facts about each other? Let's do you do three bucks. And I'll do we'll just let's try not to supervise three. I give you three fun tax. I'm gonna say three phone facts about you. And you're gonna three I'll go first to get this ball rolling. Okay. It's a good fun. Fact that people like. Fill is much more similar to me than people realize which probably like them because I like myself so much some Raza myself, Phil watching Phillip Phil has evolved incredibly of not of being okay with disappointing people up front more than he did seven years ago. And I'm proud of you for that. Because that's also something I struggled with. We would say yes to everything and then ghost like before. And we've both gotten better at that. So proud of you. That's a fun. Fact fill liked to go snot like like inappropriate dating stuff, though, he might have that knowledge of. But like things like like, we're going all out to dinner. And like he read even knew when he said, yes, he knew that he wasn't going to a week, but he would wait until like eleven fifty nine and be like, I can't go to dinner like, and I don't know if he was like me, I would just make up shit. We like. But like watching Volve in that has been fun. And I'm proud of you for that. Thank you. My fun fact was Gary actually sleeps that is a good fun back. I'll go again. Okay. Phil strong fills fun fact this now he looks the part, but like always starkly, I've always been fascinated. I think Philly's much stronger than people think physically. Yeah, east. Yeah. Not emotionally weak as. I'm brittle very brittle. Gary could eat an entire tray of Uni. No problem one sitting and then order another one I can eat unlimited Uni. It's unseal fill is much smarter than people think I appreciate that. I actually believe that. I think Phil done a good job of being a nice guy. I think he's been he's clever. Fill is very clever even the way that we know each other Phil Phil lost a game show. I don't have to characters this you don't dust Phil and I met because Viner media near to did a game show on MTV called you're hired because the economy was so bad and kids we're trying to get jobs and was a contestant to win a job at bainer media. I said why library advisor bainer media and came in second. I heard somebody else sends me an Email the next day or that day. You can clarify this recall that day and said because I had a call and you had to be on his house being filmed hearing the news, and it was like breaking up and let dropped four times. Yes. So he basically already news act because it got dropped four times and some emails like really just appreciated the process and something in the tone of the Email. I never had an intern ever. Or like, maybe we did we did all. I know it was like what I say. You said I loved you. Would you want intern? Do you have any male? Yeah. You gotta post that appointment with this link on which is really I mean, you can help many on AJ. And then AJ was like all right. Gary told me you're starting what's what's the deal? He's like, okay. But now, it is a great fun. Too fun fact about Gary the the hardest task that I had to do as a system which I failed that, but ultimately wound up being okay? Gary was sitting in traffic on the FDR. Ahead of a keynote in Israel. There is one flight left that he is just indicated and told me that he is about to miss, and he's like I need you to hold the plane. So Phil Toronto. Number one assistant in the world calls the general help line of El Al airlines in Israeli airline, which has no time for any bullshit. I my move back in the day was to just pretend I'm Gary because it's easy which also was fun. When I called Gary's mortgage broker for his last apartment and recited off all the information to get his mortgage, usual in front of him and Lizzy which was interesting. He loved it. But then had a little razz at the end of it where he's like, you know, I could finish you, right? But anyway, back to L all song in the lovely customer service security number memorized. Make sure he knows it could be murdered. Yeah. Easily. He reminds me every every six months or so. Yeah. No. That's not true at all. We've been super true. I just wanna make sure people don't. Yeah. We're razzing. General customer service line woman is on the phone. I said, hey, I'm running I'm running late for the plane is is there anything we can do. She indicates. She could book me on the next flight. I let her know I am in business class. She said. It was a big big early. It was early guys. I thought special happened. This comes out of humility. I actually thought you could hold planes, and yeah, the genuinely and it wasn't from a bad place or place at all it was a necessity because their stuff like, I'm cool. Didn't cross my mind. It was like, hey, man. Just this way. I'm not gonna make the speech, then you don't get paid amazing amount of money. Please help kind of money out of that won't even open my inbox for strew this like. Campbell. I don't get out of bed for. That's a famous thing. Fill your podcast can be huge. It's going to be huge either way. I couldn't I couldn't hold the flight. But I called Gary to let them know and try and figure out what to do. And he's like, I'm through security. I'm fine. Happens. You are my add-in when I fell when I when I fell asleep driving from Spain to the whole drive we get to the airport. And I, you know, so the one time I did miss a flight. And thank God. I just have not missed that many was I was in Spain like three hours in was Robert Parker. It was a big wine thing, and I got picked up at like three thirty in the morning. And it was like a three hour drive for ADM flight. I go to sleep sleep the whole way three thirty in the morning, right. I wake you kinda wake up three and a half hour like think Dr. And I kinda somehow saw the the car radio clock. And it's a ten thirteen. Sir. It's your clocks broken goes nuts. Right, sir. We supposed to be at six thirty goes. Yes. Got lost four hours. Yes. Very bad. Very bad. Missed my flight heavy by two got the two hours clue away. Then get on this next flight sitting in the lounge. It's delayed by two hours. Some sitting in the lounge working all of a sudden I look up at says in red final boarding because it was delayed for two hours. Then they changed it, and it was just boarding notice. Iran. So heavy I sneak in by skin of my teeth and. They reopened the door. They let me on. It was a huge coup. Wow. But in my out of shape nece back then and running I'm coughing at a level. You've never seen. So I get on this plane with reopen everyone settled and pissed them trying to figure out why they haven't taken off. I now come on. I ready get bad looks. But then I'm coughing like the plague the looks that. I got by the four people around me you motherfucker delayed us by fifteen. And now, you're gonna get me. Sick all time. Yeah. Man, we covered. A lot of good stuff episode five in the books. Thank you. Gary. Episode five books, we had some fun with that one Razan they're here and there, but we also cover a lot of new material that you may not have heard before which is pretty exciting for me. I thought that was going to be at most five minutes long, just knowing how Gary runs his schedule and how important of a meeting we were supposed to have afterwards, which still happen. And it was nominal by the way, really excited about that too world definitely gonna have more to share in the coming months around that. But stay tuned both into that. And also the tar project as always tell your friends tell everybody, I think one thing I want everyone to take away just the importance of having downtime and realizing what what can help you push forward. What you need you need alone time. Do you need to jump out? And. D-do maybe a weekend trip. Do you need to sleep for twelve hours on the weekend figure that out and do that? It's okay, you're human being everyone's human you need some time to yourself, and you just need to decompress. It's it's so important to the process and just the process of building whatever it is that you're building a brand it is building something anything rest and relax. Asian is just such a big part of that. And anybody that tells you otherwise is wrong. And I think area would agree with me on that. Anyway, thank you so much for tuning in as always, I genuinely appreciate all the support and all the messages that you guys are shooting eath. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. If you haven't told your friends about the tar tar project yet, please do that thirty seconds from now and tell everyone like comment review gimme five stars on itunes. Follow me on Spotify. Wherever you can find this podcast do that. And tune in next week. I another amazing guests I'm really excited about it. So thank you again for listening. Catch you.

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Legends of Tomorrow S6E6 Review - Super Tuesday Recap

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Legends of Tomorrow S6E6 Review - Super Tuesday Recap

"Welcome back to the super juicy. Recap is your host chris and depot here and we're here to review episode six of season. Six of listeners are tomorrow's bishop's gambit. Mick takes away writer and kayla to try and find sarah after a report of an intact legends return to their new headquarters suspicious of concierge behavior but his isn't surprised when she learnt the truth although she does not learn the truth. So there's that i actually got that. Nobody else knew that john didn't have his powers. You tell yeah reminded. Oh nobody does know. He's completely out. Because i i it was like. Why is he acting weird. Why is he saying that he can do the madden like but he doesn't know how to manage he kid. What are we talking about. What's going on. And then oh he's pretending he doesn't want anybody know and then there was that and i you're going like oh come on guys that's stupid. Why are you gonna why would you. Why would he not tell the rest the team. Why would you go that route. That's that's gonna blow up. That's a bad idea. And then when he said to azure the end meet sense like if anybody hell knew he no longer had its protections he would be and i was like. That is a good idea that as you hadn't thought him. Yeah i was like you know what what. Let's keep this under wraps. Tell fucking no one. I immediately thought back all the people that one junk dead like. You know what it is about being able to soul summary tips on. Yes exactly i you know what i yes. Let's let's because 'cause now we actually put a little does put everybody else at day endanger. I'm like yeah you know what this But also also gives us a reason. Why john's go after the alien magic. That's why he can't stay this way right or maybe he's gonna think that he can't say this way. Maybe somebody puts jari endanger. Something's gonna happen in which he's going to be forced to at least at the very least consider trying to get this alien four to get his get his magic back right. So i'm like you. What okay see this again. We're talking about this. This is where. I love legends. Because they do this kind of little stuff here where it seems silly and things easily dismissed we each are peeling back the layers wait a minute. There's actually there's actually makes pretty good sense i can. I can deal with this Let's see i gotta be honest. Here still have sooner fan if feels like no workshop in front of us. Were even thinking of me. While i don't feel and then they kind of made explicit with spins subtexts As she's party right. I mean again. This is this is a small is not like a big thing. That's really complete. Take amount that. I just really is one of those characters. That and here's the thing and i'll say this here's a possible in this legend to this all the time with a character i don't fuck with and then somehow they bring it back looking at you need looking at you eight. You know i that this is. This is what they do. So i'm i'm actually okay with i'll live with it because i'm like. Is that the first time they workshop cares front of us when a character doesn't work they do. Is they find some way of changing the character so that is something that we do like. He's not the first time we've had an actor or actress come on the show in next season. They're playing something to the same booking character but completely fucking different so i'm allow it. I'm i'm going to allow it and see where it goes. But i'm not gonna fucking lie. Still annoying the shit adamy like everybody was annoying the shit at a john beginning episode when she was like booby trapped in his house. I was like this bichat. This house bucker native destroying guitar. And i'm just like go nate right here. Okay okay spooner does that shit. I'm like you got to get her out. Get her out why she. She really alleged leader. Yeah i wanna. What if you've seen the on this show last week prior thomas I maybe the notes fuel tired formulaic of course harped initiates parents seeking sabertooth. No but i don't know maybe holding timing of manage and shoving hardening on the back to back or playing like. Hey we're gonna hear to show the same leaving. Shouldn't air the in like tag afrikaans because the inside of atmospheric yeah. It's me back shirt. He's out there And then i felt like super unfo- episode gluttonous. There's a lot in this episode here to just a different sex. Yeah john's aware part in one gorgeous that which is brain home sanitarium. It's there's a lot going on in maybe to an baggins obasanjo. Gb brooklyn they will fight. And that's fine and to sit in the strings but for me it was a very uneven. Have yet no. It was because i think so. Normally and i do feel like this is one of those ones they tell you. Try to convince probably would have been to in into one also would have probably worked better if they had done it that way. Because you you're bringing the two things together you're bringing making making killer. We're doing with what eva in the team are doing to try to find. Sarah you worked at as two different episodes. What would you what they've been doing for a while right. They've been having. What's happening with sayer and having one episode in with leonard doing in another. This isn't the kind of try to split it a little bit. And i think it i think it showed too much also because you know we. We knew that could it. Didn't cross me too much. That i it didn't too much that was literally putting aliens inside of humans and so that was really is amelia. Erhart and stuff like that. Didn't really hit me intel and i think that if we had had that part of be a whole episode and then come back to bishop kind of revealing his whole thing of you know i'm a clone and this is what i'm doing and then we also share your also clone too because you take back again. Maybe so it's like. I don't know i feel like it's almost too much too much in this episode but still again with that criticism aside way more even than the have episode in also owns even even like talking heads sarah muslims. We're also new. Customers for soup being jailed. Show up kidnapping fuck lots. It's gary gary. Eating people hit certain an revolution. And so i mean god brilliant really. Wouldn't they use it you know and so you're seeing that you got the you got like you said it's just so much happened and it's almost like it's easy to forget. I think this is probably just the episode. We the flash right where there was some evidence where they had to get to the end. They they had the combined things i felt like. This is what it is. You had to get everybody. Oh you had to get all the pieces in place and again. There are worse ways to do it. You know still had fun. Still enjoyed it like you said. It's just so much. Because like the way rodriguez taken and we see that and then the waiver shows up and then they had the way. He's just might fool that. Oh man just a blistering pace as entire episode goin' and really you. It's kinda hard to keep up and remember all the things that are there but again we're now dealing. Here's a good thing about who we're talking about wondering this idea of so. Let's say sarah really did died. And this is the closer right. Well this kinda answered the question about how shielfield about eight at this point the might well. Now you're both clumps right now now i do like the idea of like the idea of um which mcchord of gary talking clones clones of basic going like no lead like actually i saw her and then that one. Oh my god. Gary actually gets in love with an actue is just plummer. It's going to be weird is going to be so weird you don't so we're gonna stab with what he's doing. They murdered air jaren. When you are at superior they technically didn't murder her technically would happen the alien of her just fucking happening when you say when you say they who you mean. They alleged force in force. And the okay. I'll give you. I'll give you that. I give you that you that one. You're right you're right. You're right a murderer erhard. But at the same time it's like when you're dissect it and put together as an alien. Are you still a million erhard natural cooling. Their generous had the memories but then also had an alien season. If you call her percy sumer. I mean seriously allow just being big. Yeah i mean yeah from one from the alien bit of it but then also from the point of Alien but then also the point of the loan bit so yes yeah. Yeah so yeah. I mean again. This is what this was he got. The legends is like it finds ways the i find ways to do this right you know. Even we knew that was coming. I was actually shocked that they had already before so that an escape resolved to become friends and show their friends were they but says i don't know like because they're talking about why don't we. Well no so. I think this is where the time thing comes into play because remember when we when we saw him leave with the wave rider they were. She took a beer from him so we knew they were going to drink. So you're right. We didn't see them drinking become friends. But i'm beginning to think that it hasn't been that long beginning to think that while we had like two episodes since that that really only been like a couple of hours. That's why that's what. I'm beginning to think i'm beginning to think that you know and that makes sense because yeah yeah actually. Yeah you know so. I'm beginning to think that's what happened with that. And that's why they weren't really friends if you will say you know you know they were just tolerating each other as much as you can. Each other could tolerate because it's mic. And then you know the you know gary's alien fiancee so so there is that so i i you know. And she clearly didn't really care about make or even really the idea of saving didn't really care about make or even the idea of saving saving sarah and so i think the using mic as this idea of like you know why he has to see why he's trying to save sarah because sarah different angles. Yeah like that again. We've been we've been seeing make kind of stand up and and you know when when they era was like. Oh it's because you're spending or because you're one of the original geez she is too and that's how you feel when he was like no. You're still waiting. We're like no that's really what it is and now it's like no no. That wasn't what it was is because he literally is no different than him and smart right. These are people that it is weird to say. Like when you have somebody like mick urine has respect. Oh he's there for you. He might not tell you right. He might not he might not on a day to day basis. Be there. you're my best friend and things like that. It's like he did with haircut bird right once he earned your respect. He's loyal he's going to be there for you and so i really appreciate how they did that. And that little that little speech he he gave to kind of explain why he's doing all this stuff and why he's fighting for it's like oh no she's different. She's you know she she. Would she would do this for me. She would she's kinda she's yes she's better than the rest of this right either. It doesn't offend right. Well the thing about it is we. He says that right. But then you gotta you say that. But then it's like isn't that what isn't that. What bishops trying to do right so this idea of well i wanted. We want sarah because you're the best of the human. I'm trying to rebuild him. And then we even. She gives her speech about like. I embrace my my my scars. My and what. I've been through right. I think that's a key definition of sarah land. So even if this even if she did die in this is the clone of her we. Now give this idea of what makes sarah sarah. What makes a human being a human being like you were saying before like is like we were saying about. Amelia earhart is was that really a mill you because she has a memory. She has feelings of that. So yeah. I'm yeah. I i say it every week. But it's just one of those things of when you have a show like this and is able to have those kinds of conversations deep thoughts for show the silly you know as you know gotta love. It will be on sunday. We very slow come around on bishop believable acceptable and backpack. Pay attention to it is. He's yeah now. The we pride eagles. yeah more. Charming mark zuckerberg slash elon. Musk yeah terrify either. Either of them had charm which hitherto anthem here so awkward in terrible. It's just one of those. Like oh my god you're final. You saw the new about your and keep her ending. The other side of superman never staff right exactly like any time. Somebody mentioned like a villain in tash villainy one of them like. Oh yeah he bosses. Evil or evil is dr might. Don't you fucking dare sully the names of these evil genius villains with these people. Don't you dare. They have charm. they have plans. They're actually smart. They don't steal the people's work. Stop it don't you care to tumor. He'll be when he raced livingston in finally he will do what rights all images comparing the charlotte he would so. Yeah absolutely absolutely so No i think we're finally starting to get the the the the real shape with. They're trying to do this season. We were also tying into john his magic and things like that again. This is a little uneven way. Too much it was at least at least two episodes. It's at least two is at least two episodes in one They did what they had to do. The best they could with doing it that way like i said i would have preferred the do that way. I would have preferred it. Being the two four episodes. They kind of get that to get that That's operation still not a fan of spoon. Just not a guys like listen workshop. Now to the improv. I get it but like just come on. I some i am not feeling. It is not working now working for me. You try something else but Other than that. I'm here four. Let's they go and definitely interested in seeing next f sayer and bishop with their so. Yeah you got anything else. I'm so happy he's being used. Maybe wanna hate this vicious shouli on. Is that a million good cop. Be rod coffee. The big arriving from like the loser in japan so the character back centre enjoyed so he's responsible one Yeah on the show. The show's set trying to do too many things. Right may without her as two different episodes absolut absolutely still the one within checking out of money and they'd be like meanwhile the other exactly exactly exactly so. Yeah so I we back. Like i said make sure you get subscription which was recap We also hear us talking on Premium we got lucky. We got massive like one in two so stay tuned for that and we'll be doing three in a bit so stay tuned for all that and we'll be back soon so again guys thing is very much in until next time. We're out of here piece.

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Edition 2354

Monocle 24: Midori House

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Edition 2354

"As members of the public in myanmar push back against the country's newly installed military rulers will assess how potent acts of resistance both large and small might be following. Monday's coup in the country the search for malaysia airlines flight m h three seven zero. We'll hear from the journalists whose investigation has led her to believe that the official accounts of one of the most baffling disappearances and aviation history was made up and longing for the louvre. France's prominent cultural leaders rebuke president emmanuel macron by insisting that the country's museums cultural institutions should be allowed to reopen as soon as possible. Monaco's correspondence are here to discuss those stories today. Here on the late edition on monocle. Twenty four hallo than a very warm welcome t to the late edition here on monocle. Twenty four it is thursday the fourth of february. And i'm thomas lewis and with us today to cost. That expert is across some the day's big news stories are monocle. Twenty four carter rabelo. She's in london for us and by henry sheridan who is in new york city kaleta. Henry how are you both doing today. Henry you i. I'm doing very well. I'm not sure the weather's like up in toronto. A you are. I wait no wait. You're in wales. Aren't you at the moment. I am still in wales flying the flag for the home country henry rock in that case. They're almost certainly isn't a parallel and the weather conditions a. I'm in the middle of a snowstorm. Here it's been pretty fun watching people Tried to take their cars out all weeks. I've been enjoying myself. Suppose they'll be delayed deliveries henry. Things what we get from a recon week when we speak to you on a thursday here on late edition we listen. I'll keep both you and the listeners. Abreast of any delays. My kid reading to worry about that On the show on others and carter is thursday so a new episode of the urban est house. Just premiered here monocle twenty four. Can you give those of us. Who haven't heard it yet. A sneak peek of. What's in store this week. Yes this week we are looking at vaccine deployment on the urban est. And then that of course Most cities around the world are facing at the moment But instead of focusing on the rise in infections and how countries are dealing with covert we want to look exactly at how you ensure vaccine can get the right people and what cities are doing around the world. We're seeing for example venues star used for huge events being re purposed as vaccination centers. And we're hearing is all the logistics of getting the job from point a to point b. So it's an interesting episode on a very timely topic. Look forward to give that a listen collartoo rabelo and henry sheridan great to have you both with us on the program today. Well we begin. Today's show in myanmar. Wed this was the son that rang out across parts of the capital city yangon yesterday evening the clanging of pots and pans from balconies and windows across yongan lost night a demonstration of discontent myanmar's military rulers. He staged a coup on monday by detaining. Mas civilian leaders including the leader of its government on san succi. And it's president win my aunt that protest in symes last night isn't the only act of civil disobedience have taken place in myanmar since the general seized power doctors nurses and teachers are among those figures who have resigned from that position in protests were professor penny green is the director of the international state crime initiative and she told the globalist earlier today whether any attempt by the military to respond with force to these acts of resistance could possibly succeed because this may backfire because we know that when things on see she was under house arrest for those fifteen years A very fictive Civil resistance movement developed within civil society was largely underground bid also operated Outside the borders of myanmar in specifically in in thailand. The military is deeply unpopular inside neon. Ma and i think that the symbolic value of the the banging of pots and pans was historically that something that the burmese have used to ward off evil. So it's very it's very meaningful expression lee symbolically But there was an immediate response and this is in a country which has experienced the very worst atrocities from this particular from the military and historic military regimes in the past. So that brave moves. I mean the health workers in particular a incredibly courageous. And we'll have to see what kind of response that this activity elicits. I think particularly interesting are cold to boycott military owned military bet corporations so my till one of the military's telecoms corporations Is currently under attack under threat of boycott so i think the mole that the resistance movement develops the more impact is going to have professor penny green. The speaking to us a little earlier today on the globalist qatar. Perhaps you can begin for us here by explaining the charges that have been levied against unthank- suci around me and mas democratically elected president win my end. Those charges to outside the country appear opportunity to stick at best. i'm pretty obscure don't they. Yes i mean. Those charged basically are against the fact that she had walkie-talkies as easy as that so the police said that she had breached countries import and export law and was also in possession of illegal communication devices that they found ten walkie-talkies at her home. She is to remain in custody. Until the fifteenth of february and the post president is being charged on his case would violating rules banning gatherings during the covert pandemic. And he's also to be in custody for two weeks of course this is When we look at these charges to think that you can arrest someone for dads especially so the military here. That's at stake. It's obviously trumped up charges. There's no other way to look at it. You know this court order to detain amazon. Sanchia was provided by an official from her own party. The national league for democracy was dated on the day of the coup and it. It's the same order that authorize detention for fifteen days and yes. It was after that that soldiers looking through her home found a set said equipment allegedly brought into the country without the correct paperwork and henry if the militry as penny green mentioned a few moments ago is aware of just how unpopular it is among large parts of the general population in myanmar. Do you have any sense without me. Will try and rule or try and respond to these acts of of resistance that we've seen so far. Do you think that that will change the response from the military in any way. I think one of the most interesting variables going to dictate the nature of both the governance by the new military regime and and also the nature of the resistance against the government is the fact that this is coming. Obviously in the middle of in the in the middle of a global pandemic which mars affected by in the same way that every other country is and you know the nature of the resistance. The kind of people staying indoors and and pain in pots and pans also as mentioned in the clip. The kind of internal resistance with people who are employed by government run organizations both hospitals and also businesses effectively. Going on strike as a form of resistance is an interesting example of of activists and people who want to to oppose this move a finding creative ways to do so while not endangering the thorough citizens not putting other people at risk unnecessarily by by gathering obviously in in public spaces and in terms of the way the way that the government is going to react to that. I mean even if the government has absolutely no intention to to govern the country in the style that the people want for the sake of you know keeping keeping that country functioning in a very basic level. They're going to have to Enforce some kind of restriction on people's inability to gather for the sake of keeping rates down and get people to comply and so i think that that's probably the the most significant factor which is going to kind of delineate the contours of the relationship between a governance and resistance in this in this particular. Chapter of the country's history has just opened next here on the late edition all this week here. Monocle twenty four. We've been examining the disappearance of flight. Three seven zero which took off from kuala lumpur on the eighth of march twenty fourteen destined for beijing. The plane vanished shortly after takeoff and has never been found. The french journalist florence shunned jeez new book. The disappearing act offers a possible explanation into one of modern aviations greatest mysteries in today's episode florence details for us the forensic steps. She undertook during her investigation to confirm in her opinion that the official narrative over the fate of h three seven zero who's fabricated taking their anger to the streets. These relatives of passengers aboard m h three seven. Zero say malaysian officials deliberately considered information wasted resources and delayed any possible rescue operations. I know it sounds a bit heavy and hard to believe. But i'll try and explain how i came to completely dismiss the narrative offered by the authorities as an explanation and therefore be able to call it a complete fabrication. So let me remind you. What was this official narrative. I it is to cut it intrigued parts. According to the militia mr najib razaak said that the time that it was a case of deliberate act. I someone in the cockpit at turned off the transponder and ecosystem which is the system that automatically sends report about the state of the plane in this case of thirty minutes. At primary data data should trough which was believed but not confirmed second. The plane had made a u-turn and flown back over malaysia. East to west and then veered north up dominica streets and finally this is the third stage on the basis of satellite data. It was established that image. Seven zero eventually headed south to the southern indian ocean where it was later said beyond reasonable doubt to have crashed at eight nineteen. So let's take a tree pass one by one i. The instruments are supposedly turn of actually if someone in the cockpit. I had turned off the transponder all indications related to imagery. Three seven zero would have come off the screens of the traffic controllers at the same time but and this is recorded in the official report it took up to thirty seven seconds for all the flight. Data scored mode c and s to gradually come off the screen in vietnam in thailand and so the progressive way. The information related to a mystery. Seven zero came off the screens. Proves that something different than someone simply turning off. The transponder happened. It actually hints at some kind of jamming second. I found that there was no solid evidence that image tree seven zero did. it's famous. you turn just. After the we point gary actually there are more evidence to the fact that he did not the most obvious. One is the fact that when expert tried to recreate the you term as described it proved to be essentially beyond the capability offer beat ripple seven so that must be the end of that turn but anyway there was another enormous ali by the u-turn tweet pointy gary which is the fact that imagery seven zero was actually seen by vietnamese primary radar until the next way point on its route which is called vetoed and. She's thirty seven miles after he. Gary sue you can't have the plane making a u-turn tools. The west at waypoint eagerly if it has been seen at beat out which is further east now when you add some reader data published in the official report related to a plane flying over malaysia and attributed to amateur seven zero expert sources. I discussed this. We've basically said the data was grossly inconsistent with a b triple seven and same for the radar images of the plane flying over malaysia that where attributed to a military seven zero and two sources who sued these images that will actually not publish not shared with party insisted that the target was not consistent. Weaver betrayal seven. I was essentially too small and too fast. Yeah cross went across thailand and malaysia. It runs down the border three and t and her husband proceeding to kooky thailand from coaching india on the night that malaysia airlines flight image three seventy went missing. The british yachtswoman said that while she was alone on the dick doing nine first of all we start with a startling new detail about the jets. Possible path is a senior malaysian government. Official tells cnn that flight three seventy may have been flown on purpose. Now you have another highly problematic issue with this official narrative because Besides malaysia imagery seven zero is also pushed to have flown over nearby vietnam thailand indonesia singapore and australia yet. None of these countries have provided any evidence. Not even a statement that imagery seven zero was in the airspace. At any point. I mean that's incredible. Some countries came up with very lame explanation like staff with sleeping all the radars after off to save electricity or under maintenance but it's not acceptable in addition the many us military ships and planes of the seventh fleet. That monitor that region twenty four seven did not see a maitree seven zero which you don either actually the. Us military satellites did not provide any proof of the planes. Are you turned whereabouts and most unbelievable of all when the rogue be triple seven. That are gone dark. She flew great over the butterworth alpes which is located in penang on the west coast of malaysia. That did not trigger any but this is an airbase shire by the uk. Australia new zealand singapore malaysia. It isn't the australian command and the should obviously have scrambled jets in a matter of minutes. Not seconds if massif rogue plane had really flown overhead so anyway or disabled leave established is pretty strongly that the plane just deep. Not you turn in a we once you knew it did not return. It's almost a waste of time to discuss the beans provided by imas off with the third part of the official narrative whether principles would be head south. But they're still quickly a few things about these things because it's important for people to realize that the only base for the massive search in the southern indian ocean was these very sophisticated so called handshake beings so hundred is basically a signal sent by a base located on land in perth in this instance and it goes to the satellite thirty six thousand kilometres in the sky from the it finds the plane wherever he tees goes and say hi and if the plane replies high the handshake the ping goes back. All the way tweets based fire satellite so based on this the worked out. We've set it you. The plane was wealthy search. I find it a bit hard to swallow really but the facts are number one. The route established by these. Things was not corroborated by anything else. Not a witness. Nevada has seen a trump number two such a method to locate. A plane was unheard off. At the time. I never been proven correct ever since and the bottom line is that it clearly failed to locate the crash site once. I got to the point where i was basically convinced that the play never you turn. It was back to square one in a way back to these way points of yari and bittered between malaysia and vietnam around one twenty-one year e. m. and really asking myself while what happened there and then the french journalist florence to shun g that on her investigation into the disappearance of flight. Three seven zero eighty seven years ago. And you can hear the final installment of our series on that investigation on tomorrow's edition of the globalist thought begins live at seven. Am london time here on monocle. Twenty four we'll finally here on the late edition. More than one hundred notable names from france's museums and cultural institutions have signed an open letter to the french government calling on cultural institutions to be allowed to reopen as soon as possible francaise president emmanuel macron. Last week said the french museums would have to remain closed indefinitely and a little earlier today. Ben luke the reviews editor at the art newspaper in london. Explain to us why museum leaders were pushing back against decision. You so emma levin. Who's the director of the palais tokyo. Meyer hoffman the correct. The collector and director of the luma foundation be checked to rigor who co curated events. Biennale not long ago all arguing for museums to be in the first wave of reopenings if there is further restriction and then also to be an you know to be opened. if you've been following this macro said students should have one day on campus per week. They can manage it if it safe. And i think the museums basically arguing that they that kind of educational space that deserves that level of opening. But of course. I've been closed tober so this is a this is a very urgent situation for them. And they're arguing that they are safe spaces. The art newspaper has been luke. They're speaking to us a little earlier today. Carlotta a similar letter. From switzerland's leading cultural figures to the swiss authorities has also been sent in a similar vein. Why is it. Do you think the museums are now falling front and center into ideas of stagich reopening of society in those places where locked on still enforce what that opening might look like in the rover museums. Were playing that. I think it's of course there's the financial aspect of it and museums A lot of a lot of cultural institutions including live music venues and theatres have been closed for nearly a year now and financial constraints are pressing and only as much as they can endure and kerryon through patronage or vs or support from other grants. So that is of course the main issue but then we need to think as well about dion going kind of crisis also prompted by the pandemic and by lockdowns which is when it comes to mental health as well for people. It is very much needed. That sense of normality and going to a museum really helps that going out and being able to experience. The city as usual is also part of that and for example in my home country of portugal. There's also been a few letters. Written up by leaders of certain cultural institutions advocating exactly that and the importance of these spaces on only four the artists and people who work in the arts and for financial reasons but for the psyche of people to info citizens to provide a safe space of when for them to leave the house and when it comes to the slow reopening of cities correctly museums can be open again. within controlled entrances limited amount of people etc. I'll give you an example here in london. Tate britain over winter has had its winter commission Which is a celebration of bright lights and color in honest facades so it can be seen from the outside and for a lot of people. The has been the only cultural event they've been able to attend in the last twelve months because it involves a walk which we are allowed to do as part our government mandated exercise. And it's an exhibition that you can see from the outside. And i can't remember the last time that one single piece of art has been seen by so many people during season pretty much. Everyone i know did attract to take britain in london to go and see that and that just shows you this desire appetite and craving for more culture in our lives and henry hudson describing their is. Some museums have used the outdoor space to ensure. The people are exposed to to art into culture during these times of lockdown but looking at the interiors of museums. Is there anything in your mind about. Museum buildings as the signatories to this letter in france suggesting that make them safe places for people to wonder to have some kind of of respite from being indoors all day. Do you think that the museum should reopen in in that vein i. I'm not an expert on the on the kind of spatial transmission of the virus but the most of the museums. I've been to tend to have higher ceilings and larger rooms than most other buildings. And so i do think that the museums in france follow that pattern. I haven't been to many outside of paris. I do think that there's a case to be made. That relative to other institutions certainly relative to institutions which in some countries remaining open like restaurants that there seems to be a they seem to be more suitable for letting people come and circulate in a socially distance way and you know it is interesting issue. Obviously these institutions used to kind of defending their value. Normally it for the sake of receiving certain portions of government funding regards laser relative to other other fields that eat up public funds. But now they're kind of arguing even to the ability even to open and for their value to be weighed up against a serious public health concern. It's a much more challenging. Case to make and i think the government's response to these kinds of appeals reveals. An interesting it kind of gives an interesting insight into the status of art and the way the art and cultural artifacts are valued in society today. Richard and carlotta rabelo our very own museum grade masterpieces here. Monocle twenty four. Thank you both very much for being with us on the program today. That's all we have time for. Today's show a big thanks to to louis allen. In london he added. Today's the late edition returns at the same time tomorrow with an eye for me. Thomas thank you very much for listening and we'll see you tomorrow.

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S1E6: Kanye, White Supremacy and Hip Hop | Desean Jackson - Byron Jackson and Team DeJacks | Canelo vs Sergey

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S1E6: Kanye, White Supremacy and Hip Hop | Desean Jackson - Byron Jackson and Team DeJacks | Canelo vs Sergey

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understand into the minds of sports it's ridiculous yes I know because most but the person at the top right now you know and to think that these people were just some drunken fans they that was a hot ticket was not there was just not anybody's her because coming up next Byron Jackson showing jetsons brother we have so much to talk about let's talk you hurt the the belief in solution to the problem goes up the uh-huh the uh-huh uh-huh the yeah it listen to the hit the what the first check out the movie but a take Karadzic award smell the smoke ball around the in the mother fucker the lobby took place on the plantation what almost like spike Lee the off the coast meet nothing that the flash makers use the Sir Oh okay so we always always surprised people with different best that we've had in quite some time we have Byron Jackson Lyon byrant yet he yeah I sometimes yo Yo bomb you'll know just because we'd be having a lot of interference it's been going on because listen Ilyas Gotcha all 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When I was at Santa Monica he was a recruiter for Saturday stay rumors that he actually I wasn't even started and I was planning on on a second team Santa Monica and my dad was in Troy Aikman so you know that's when I started getting recognized and ninety two and then ninety three I got released actually I got released Cassini and wanted me on their developmental squad stayed on developmental squad the remainder there and many cats in off seething Ota's and all that and opportunity went flew from Kansas City to the CSL who look at it yes so okay so when did you know it was over so let's any got up to here so and then you you had this conversation Richard Pop Kehinde everything is is that your dad put you to allay to train you to us again while I love football while Love Foo Foo a conversation with Japan because that's a while store yeah football I you know what I see myself being Hollywood you know being a filmmaker honestly the whole town is in the nfl many say really what I WANNA do tonight the NFL for me to come back and my dad was like I was like in transition I was legal the reality of that you know what I could I could be a filmmaker for the rest of my life running homemaker and my dad was like let me try to help you get back to the NFL he was nailing tapes awful boy any more he kind of took it one way like I didn't appreciate what he was doing and I you know it kind of turned into a nasty situation he got he ran up steers adore you right because this was like your man moment this is like the part where you actually took like he made like you know he took he took some ownership like like I think he was talking about how Dan I just I mean so it just got I know that situation yeah yeah now we did and it's crazy mad 'cause when you when when like that it's like man it was it's really I know everybody has a powerful story I I kinda snuck speak to you ever get them all I I say I only select level and I just liked it I don't WanNa do it no more and I just I just cold a local station in Los Angeles Casey Oh p working on a trial of this country the prior I was like in training camp in news cameras that are training I see you in a few months that was a quick turnaround I like at peace I was in television I was at a a local news I love NFL films? We're up in DC watching George Michael Sports Machine aspirated moving to the sports department but I was having fun documenting going down like decide had moved a lot man my my my story is counting I I don't want to give everything in the dot because I know you got plans to be restocked again yeah but I mean it is hilly there when you the projects that I'm working on with the content and it's like man I learn I love life and I love you know looking back on at times even though sometimes it was Har nation Palestinian camera. Oem as you said in how Hollywood you just finished doing dishonor at a young age are he was pushed in your Sean how he had them plan to different come love and sports the Shah was a little kid line but just love he'd love Williams he was over the top so that's what it was I gotTa protect them is oh you got to watch over them a bit right because he could have got over the top last year it was fun it's fun to day you know what I mean it was like it was like that it was other that loved the the love the race kids he loved to catch football to love the it was Kinda like organic you know so right so it was a little bit of it was a little oh but tension unanimity is it was our father our father pushing sports in trying to build this like Kinda like this team around him in basically I mean don't get me wrong a lot of the showers talent it's like he was also someone with that much talent kinda craft it into a receiver made it to the NFL but didn't didn't like meet all the exultation into this John and that's kind of what the documentary Kinda shows like man if you oh actually I want to actually run into some of the projects gene that you have learned throughout Shaw's career and build almost like a curriculum almost we're to actually take pretty much the soldiers of what it took a we're reaching young kids and we put together a program and now you and you're looking at your background and you know all the things that you've done and actually is kinda bring it bring it all of this stuff to whereas actually you know manifesting owning our own message and too many times in sports you got other people kind of like Oh control we want an who we want to disseminate those messages to and too many times how to articulate it's no fault of their own but it gets convoluted the message just one of the things I wanted to talk about the jump into it was how he was a jackpot records and Blah now the real issue was destroyed yes he has a company he's a good kid yes he has some within this these kids are doing that and see you see how the narrative it gets convoluted can't who has been family values to make a to make a you know what would be to be honest with is partly it's almost like the cops you don't trust them and invoice if we're telling the truth what I'm saying and the PBS always you speaking for myself you know John has some folks from the media that he trusted as I just declined because I didn't trust how they was going to interpret what I you know our boys and go to school you know what I'm saying so like he was actually doing Kelly and it was just frustrating time in Philadelphia especially when yeah no no that was that was that was definitely a hard time and being this is the business world you're in and don't take it personal you know what I mean this is a so so accept a good debate you know what I mean and and how can you get better as a person can give someone in that in that response don't worry about it it's a business you know why it happened yeah that's it I mean it's really yes you know the Sean in his speed and his regiment impact is speed so let's talk about you know his mill his training this just off the bat just to let you know I'm not the Shos e coach that Gary Good Blind do is be from some type like Easter lots he understood speed with us Gary actually studied kinesiology he started studying kinda responsible for not shying breaking up four three bring yeah so it will be your quick what type what type of four hundred here's more of a long strike guy he he ran a four hundred ah yeah yes he knew he was art yeah it was it was he knew he knew he knew where his and he knew he knew what we could do and he he had a good with my dad and I I other to instill that type of confidence in all of this because one thing too soon has is his problem and I and you can see that the other now I'm GonNa give you what I think the English do their plans ICAGO I think we're good enough to win this game without the Sean Plane Oh you know well line connects feels so good 'cause decides well you know I feel real actually so pretty much you're saying when Sir wouldn't play no no no talk about that I mean you know right and Oughta secrets but I don't Wanna go see that's the one point anyone had one hundred fifty two yards two touchdowns cities going nuts he's beside he's a speedster happens and you got on the only when I wanNA driving for seven weeks of the season I don't need listen you need him against the Patriots you need them against the Patriots you've really to due to the fact that I mean Chicago a really struggling a we had the running game I know the bears defense is tough but if you watch them over chiefs and you just keep consecutively driving down the field the eagles can definitely I definitely do understand that but just to give you another perspective man I know I just want to protect him I don't want I don't want I don't want the he telling you I just I just got him back to the main to to the detail mm for smart you gotta be Super Smart you know what I mean I he's a smart kid surreal he's not even a kid no more not yeah talk talk about that project and how you put that thing together how's they wanted to be a little bit over the top and I don't think we as a family really that was a good experience right that was that was something it was a big Tucson Jackson yeah I mean I'm trying to tell you the girls and you saw it could be that he could like I could see that it was you got the nightlife out of the about the ship nipsy a bit in what the it's a bit well you know what when I remember really didn't know like how how cool this was when Nicci that's when you really started getting on the radar me I was like that Tucson initially they you know what I mean in a in a concert and it was like a lot of different people from La Saturday stay connected and they kept doing this thing and you know to Sean had his thing niches bodyguard because of the football league and he was at the board meeting we start I just I gotta do something to really honor honor a good friend on like in the community from sports and his football camps and stuff like that and can take a model whether this within sports or whether it's out of sports they could take back it really show like you know what it is not as not as like life is American so so that's that's Kinda like in a in music if it's coming from a genuine place and this is we talk about the NFL and they did assistant here's what I'm saying is that you can views like when people say well you can't that's what are the source of when people talk about you know nipsy and the Shaun Liberty like best real impact you know what I'm saying and that's coming from a that's like the Sean starting Donald they'll pay me no mind swap you're building radio the two to impact to impact Okay I'm I'm and where can people find some of your work well and and the team Jackson me and the guy putting together a model bringing together a model to help kids not just 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How to Sell a Lawncare Business

Defenders of Business Value

20:41 min | 1 year ago

How to Sell a Lawncare Business

"So on today's show. I had the opportunity to visit with Gary Rap and relented Abraham Miller they were to brokers here in my office that Just completed a long care business acquisition and so we learned a lot I mean. This company was Extremely profitable well run lawn care business here in Indianapolis and they're going to tell us the story of how they completed the transaction what they learned in. And if you happen to be in this type of business or you're thinking being in this type of business. There's an awful lot of valuable nuggets that they shared so enjoy my conversation with Gary Rap and relented Miller please welcome. Please welcome. This is another episode of the defenders of business value. Podcast podcast. Were We talk about? What makes a Business Valley during the tips and tactics to increase your company's Value? That only veteran dealmakers no and now. Here's your house myself plan. So I'm here today with Gary Wrap of Indiana business advisers and relented Miller of Indiana business advisors so recently Gary Transact today Or sold a lawn company that on topical solutions. And it's been around for quite some time. So Gary Welcome show. Tell us a little bit about your deal. The came to us at the end of the season. Two Thousand Nineteen. Actually it was November. Eleventh Makes Act and You Know He. He was sixty five years old and use of the point. They said you know. I'm getting kind of tired of doing this. Got A great business. I wonder if any by be interested in buying it so he talked to a CPA and he recommended come Indiana business advisers see how we'd go about competently marketing their company and Took a back and thought about it for about a week and he says hey sounds like. I'd like what something I'd like to do. And he had a basie. We wanted to sell it for before the spring season started. That was. Our goal is because That's that's pretty aggressive Yeah because I mentioned him that you typically it takes you know a business of his size. It takes anywhere between six months to year to sell it so but he gave us the challenge to sell it before. The spring season started and by January thirty first we actually had a transaction closed dummy about the business. How big was it? It was six employees and generated roughly four hundred fifty thousand per year with the cash flow. One hundred twenty five thousand and so going into the transaction. Did you recognize any particular risks that you're going to have to overcome? I mean was he was he. The business actually The owner actually. He was a leader of the company. He wasn't the one that actually did the work in the field. He was the one that actually did quotes win. His internal Manager got behind. He would jump in or one of his guys had a breakdown in the field he would go out and assist in the field so he was a little more of an overlay so all the intellectual capital of the business was spread out amongst the employees. So you think that made it easier to sell. It did so when that seller was talking to you. I mean what what drove the sale was. It was a price was it. The right person was at time. What was the catalyst behind it? Actually when the the seller he had a realistic expectation of what is businesses worth. How do we do on that did we? Okay we did. We actually sold probably eight percent higher than what his expectation was nice and The the key selling point that his businesses yet a large a recurring revenue every year from a customer base He he typically had nine hundred. Nine hundred fifty reoccurring customers every year year over year. Out of how many out of about twelve hundred lawns. So it's about three forces. Businesses repeat business and a lot of He gave a basic discount going into the year of my prepay so gave him plenty cash flow going in the year two to ramp up for the season. Wow and is that standard in the in the industry? Ism The typically yes So was his recurring revenue higher lower or no idea when compared to other competitors within the community it was Maybe a little higher than what is competition with too nice but his average Jim Treatment was about fifteen percent higher than his nearest competitor. So he but he he did his guys decline the quality work and also the level of service and service after the southeast so if a customer had a problem they were on so his customer is one of the quality in the service level versus price and superior service or product a warrant a premium. So does the business seller feel that They got a premium. I know you you walked out and you said you know everybody's happy I mean. Were they like truly happier boy. I'm glad this monkey off. My back is very happy. Yeah gave me a hug on the way out of the office when we after we close so he was very happy I think he relates it to when his daughter got married. It raised this thing to a certain level and is right for him to go onto the next chapter of his life and someone to take the baby that had grown and get the next to the next level as we look at other companies. I mean what did we learn from this particular transaction that that other sellers of topical Service would if they're listening to this. What what are. They need to do to prepare their company for sale that they can have a optimal exit. Like this guy. There's several things that David did rock the seller did right and he wasn't you know two years ago he didn't know he was selling his business this year but he was doing the right. Things by financials taking some of the discretionary expenses that he was running to the business he was he was keeping track of those along with Taking a lot their day to day recurring task in the business and enabling his employees. Do those task. Because he knew if he when he goes a transition business it would be easier from a transition because within his team not just in his head right okay in additional. He did some research about You know what what multiple he get based on cash flow the business and he had a realistic expectation on the Cella business. All right so so what I heard is recognize the value Financial statements were prepared. And lastly that You know he was informed seller on what the process was right. Well let's move over to the buy side right exactly so relleno. Welcome thank you so tell us about your buyer. What made your your buyer looking at a business like this. Well he He actually had a background had owned a prior business like this several years ago. What made him get out Well I think he was fairly young family. Mayo and no went into the corporate world and has a buddy has a long range plan and it starts with acquiring another business similar to what he had before And going from there. He had the the background to to walk in Europe and he had a plan. He knew what he was looking for so he actually came Initially to me about over a year ago to look at another lawn and landscaping company that I had and one of his biggest requirements was He was looking for a specific. You know a business where quality and that you know that of the product and the service and maybe you know. The price was at premium But yet that's what he was looking for specifically it was very much a culture that he was looking for geography play and I I don't know from our conversation. I mean from a geographic service stamp a fluid community that they could obviously. They're getting that kind of premium must be fluent community right. Yes okay yeah. That was kind of what he was looking for in the first business that he looked at It had fit the culture that he was looking for but it didn't quite fit that service. Mix that he wanted And it fit the financial requirements that he had that he was looking specifically for So he he took a pass on that one. I looked at a couple of other things that we had But nothing was ever really quite the right fit until Gary and Larry Hood listed this business and then once you know once he looked at that oddly enough he actually knew the seller for many many years ago so so what were some of the questions that he had for the seller. That helped him identify that. This was the right opportunity Anything ANYTHING STAND OUT AS THE BUYER. The buyers assessing risk to themselves. So how did they or how did he look at this business? And where did he perceived the risks were if at all oh. I think employee retention. I think it was one of his hot button points and we were able to. You know how the at that. Yeah how did you alleviate it Well in this particular situation. It was a little unusual. I think in in most deals with this type of a business. They don't necessarily meet the owners like right. Don't realize that but they don't you have to keep confidentiality with a business and protect the business while you're trying to sell it so buyers have to understand. They can't just talked an employee so I think we mitigated that risk by accomplishing everything else. I done and then he was able to speak to the poison and you know establish a rapport with them. Know that you know there's a future they're they're gonna stay is so what are the risks Only see what's another one. Gary that you can think of that. We had to overcome with him. Well I know there's always a equipment. You know the quality of equipment that you have to consider Yes and in this particular case. I think we didn't really didn't become an issue. He was the advantage of him. Being from the industry he had an understanding of the equipment that was used to and you know the seller in there is in excellent condition. And you know. Yeah so from a from a financing standpoint. Was this a bank financed? Spa Finance store? Somebody just wrote a check. Now I think this particular buyer had Some other savings and some other investments he was able to take advantage of for the book of it And he was very sophisticated buyer so he was prepared when you sophisticated. Well what does that mean That means that means that not only was he prepared for that purchase price but he also was prepared to make sure that he had working capital in place and would have the resources he needed to set up a he's already Engaged someone to do some technological changes to the business. I'm curious what does that mean. I know I'm putting you on the spot. That's okay that's okay but the The seller was more old school so a lot of things you know. There's not really any You know digital marketing per se other than maybe the website. So he's got plans to expand that plans to you know. Get the the business into a more robust. Crm system that kind of thing. You're so he's already working on that right off the bat. There's always the fear of of losing customers. How did the buyer mitigate that particular risk? I mean you know you so you have. Nine hundred that are that are on a recurring revenue. Which which warrants premium. How do you keep that that premium or make that premium make sense post sale but I think that the sellers involvement is going to be key there? And he's going to be very involved in these first days introductions they also have had. There were a one or two key accounts that were addressed ahead of time. And when you say key accounts would that mean that they have like corporate accounts or something Well some of them are corporate accounts. It's of hard to describe. I'm GonNa let Gary Actually cover that one. Because he's a little more. So what the what's what's a key account. There's some accounts where heat is serviced Some some basic commercial Landscapes if you will a church Some corporate buildings where they pay if he service at all year if they paid based in this case cashing in advance They would serve as the account throughout the year for a set price. And that's that was one of the keys of this business that recurring revenue. Jerry's had these accounts along time in one of the things too as we did the L. A. Y. Was assuming these top three accounts which only made up about ten percent of the revenue They signed the agreement to be able in two thousand twenty to be able to get those agreements in place before we close. I see so the the key accounts somewhere we're talking the ten percent of revenue as opposed to you know going to visit twelve hundred people because as a guy that the that has a a service. I'm like I I don't care who does as long as they they do it so That's the purpose of the question. What are the beauties of this? Business was People that Bride Service. They had their own accounts assigned to them. Yeah so so they all show up in the same type of Van with the same markings and I are all the guys dressed the same but they knew Jimmy. Bobby and Joe you know they knew the people that I service of the same guys. You know it's funny. You say because the service before us the reason we left was for that reason that are guy left I mean he knew he knew my dog and my let my dog jump all over him and all the all the fun there. Yeah it's it's this is the small things only get it going back to the price. I can't overemphasize the price when we went to market with it If we would go over priced it. We wouldn't have gotten Relentless BUYER PLUS. We had another buyer. So we had we were in a competitive situation so we price it right the marketplace The actually buyer. I'm the cellar. Got To choose which buyer he went when he says that's a good spot behalf and all this happened during the Christmas holiday too so everybody was on point so so when we look when we when we look at the deal I mean. How did you warrant the the premium? I mean because I guess you could look at it from the standpoint of look. We got seventy percent of our revenues recurring. That's a that's a that's enough to get somebody's attention but to get the premium i. I have to assume you did something special to warrant these to pay that kind of premium. Once again. He had a business. That was a business. Not not the owner donors. I guess it was it was it was the the key. The employees is doing the work Additionally I'm there with the way the deal was structured is that the seller actually took Gary Part of the note Only about twenty percent of the note of the of the sale price. And why why did they do that for a couple of things? is one as the buyer wanted to seller have those skin in the game There was a transition period which is probably only about thirty days. But you know it's a seasonal business so you know what happens in the fall and the winter and also preparing for the market for next spring of two thousand twenty one you know. Hey what did you? What did you do? 'cause he did? A lot of that. Part of the business out. Yeah and so he is one of the little little skin left in the so if this buyer called the seller he'd pick it up because I was a little in within three years. I mean amazing note or not so you got a three year note. We got a three year note on it and we we have the seller. He did a personal guarantee. So that should make the buyer buyers. Personal guarantees to broadly especially since there is no conventional debt. Standing in the way I mean then His personal guaranteed. It certainly means something. So what else can we tell? Perspective business sellers about what they should expect when selling a company like this is for both of you. Yeah I think If you're this this gentleman we see it. A lot of the baby. Boom generation there If had a company for several years and provide a wealth of the family and Don't wait too it's too late. Extra company enjoy life. He's our cellar with sixty five. His kids have grown up Allah college and his wife Ramzi Nesters and they wanted to start doing some travelling and doing some things together but why they have their health So this is the thing. They wanted to exit on their terms versus. You don't know what the future is going to hold from the economy. And it's his balance-sheet continue to grow year over year not substantially but he had a good path so he hit positions business well to sell. If if I'm a perspective seller now do I wait till the season's over it seemed timing? Plato critical role in the success of this sale. Is that the case. Someone should now. If you're thinking about selling you know what run the year and come visit us in the fall. Yeah be her. You're thinking about selling Your Business and your lawn care business you wanNA sell it The by this is a time that the window is during the off peak. Time But you need to be thinking about what you need to do to sell your business now because during the summer months when you're out there you know all hands on deck. You're not have time to think about all the details. You have to do to prepare your business. It'd be good to talk to your adviser about how to prepare my business for sale because the people are looking to buy a business Are trying to look into by during the off season as well. So they're going to start looking in November December. What's available and it's going to take them do the sixty days close and you wanNA close before the fifteenth before that season picks up. Because you're doing all your pre planning for the market The seasons again. Yeah so okay Orlando would what are your what are your Partying suggestions for for prospective sellers. Having now worked with a buyer that his acquired what Ki- what advice can you give sellers and buyers for that matter I think a couple of things one. He touched on something with the the note component and being willing to have skin in the game. It's important in this industry for a buyer to know they're gonNA have that support And also I think that was a way to get the price up you know to you. Know to get more of that. Premium that the seller won it. Eight eighty dollars cash is is I mean. That's a that's a good way to roll. Yeah exactly The other thing and it kind of goes hand in hand with the buyer situation that I found myself in with this buyer is Speaks to the be on the market. In a timely manner you know being on the market by the fall And it may not be the first buyer dislike. It's with my buyer wasn't the first business he looked at. It was probably the fourth or fifth but it might not be that first buyers would just be you know be prepared be ready like Gary said and be ready to hit the market Because at buyer also you know they're going to have to be in place before the peak season so that they can hit the ground running. Got It Gary Real Anna I certainly appreciate all of your time today and You are welcome examined by pleasure. We'll talk soon. This was another episode. The defenders of business value podcast for more episodes packed with strategies to increase the value of your business visit defenders of business value dot com for show notes transcripts in free tools to start you on your journey. Subscribe now so you don't miss any future episodes.

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How To Be Funny

How To! With Charles Duhigg

30:00 min | 1 year ago

How To Be Funny

"Hey listeners this week were replaying one of our earliest and one of my favorite episodes it's with Gary Goldman who has a brand new comedy special on HBO. We'll be back next week with something completely new I killed at my father's funeral really and then the rabbi when my doctor said let's just try drugs that rhyme thank you Dr Seuss. We'll hear all about his long winding path to the comedy mountaintop after this quick break named Aaron Kirkpatrick on the thirty five year old pastor at a church in Oklahoma you know I get up and we're tackling a question that all of us at some point try to answer how to be funny we got interested in this after hearing from this guy in Bartlesville Oklahoma Gary Coleman is what you might call comedian's comedian Patton Oswald in fact one said if he could only steal now he's featured on a new podcast from Bank of America named that made all the difference join host Alicia Burke she talks to achievers about the moments that inspired them to do well are there rules for writing the perfect joke what if all those comedians figured out that makes them so compelling to watch and each week on this show we talked listeners like you who are trying to figure out how to solve one of life's problems like how to withstand pain or or auditor for what is now price waterhouse coopers okay like always known as fertile territory comedians so how old were you when you get up on that stage mark you know this feeling right humor gets people focused on you and it keeps them interested in what you're saying but being funny is really hard I mean I I destroyed at my father's funeral welcome to how to I'm Charles doing fire about employees or how to find your soul then we tracked down an expert and we get their advice and we see it helps and today's episode to make an impact and their stories might just inspire you to what would you like the power to do you can find that made all the difference anywhere you get your podcast because he thinks that humor and being entertaining it can help them reach more of his congregation I want people when they show up to enjoy experience and to engage every part of their emotions including because Aaron is a pastor and his this nice optimistic Sunny Guy I turned to the most logical place for a Jewish New York comedian who makes front of about two hundred and fifty people every week to to preach and humor is a I think a central part of that or at least I want it to be Aaron wants to know how to be funny Goeman has been performing in comedy clubs for twenty five years and has a brand new. Hbo Special called the Great Depression then I went into my next joke which was an impression of Robert Deniro and they loved it they loved it and they laughed and applauded and Dan it's it's I compared to music where you need to learn the scales before you you can play so gary spent years learning how to folks about his clinical depression to locks attain Murtaza's seen searcher lean affects US Alexis Practica at one mm-hmm Ken Burns is a name that's become synonymous with documentary film he he's a master of his craft at timeless storyteller silent and if you take a poll of of my my mind at that time I would say oh okay oh well this isn't going to work out it was chaos Massachusetts was period Florida was NFL a Utah was Utah One joke in this entire world he would plagiarize from Gerry. Bulgaria says career didn't really start so well he's still remembers the first time he got up on stage to perform thanks very much I just wanted to recommend a documentary to everyone and then and then I'm GonNa go it's about the it's about the men ace up until I want to say nineteen seventy-three and so I will nineteen seventy-three every state had its own length of abbreviation confidence right what would be different what would what did you learn to do well after you've learned how to swing a baseball bat and was I was never the same after that I was addicted that's amazing yeah yeah everything in my life and I'm exaggerating of course but let's say that hundreds of times smoother there's nothing from my first two years of comedy that made it to my first television appearance which was six years in about how does he funny yeah into one of the things I wanted to ask you about if I had a tape of side-by-side your first performance versus three years in when you finally have that MM stand up way back in the early nineties Oh yeah yeah like it was yesterday so so crazy it's okay so tell you who were you at that point okay I was a I by day I was an thought was reasonable Gary says that most of his first show was terrible it was just awful the jokes didn't land at all the audience wasn't responding Ah everything else I I would say it's it's useless it's except for the fact that it was so useful because it got me on stage every night to become a better comedian you're living in Boston thep living in Boston with my mom and I was twenty three was open mic night you had to bring either three or four friends to get on stage I can never find an ending or structure to that joke and then maybe eighteen years later all the sudden documents we tend to look for these big exaggerated topics to joke about but the funniest stuff often comes from the most mundane parts of life on that I said what if I did this one woman who abbreviated all fifty states down to two letters all you all you have to know for this is that we have fifty states in America and they each have a capital letter abbreviation but that wasn't always the and that night I had learned an important thing in comedy which is it's okay to lie it's okay to lie you the the night was going to be a total disaster even even the crickets were tugging at their at their ties they didn't even make noise the CR- the crickets and that changed everything and so I said I'm going to lie and tell them this is a documentary thinking that part of the funny would be as we're about small things they used to they were only about Hitler forever and then all of a sudden I saw this documentary about Helvetica and I wrote a about anything as long as it helps the joke there's something called artistic license which I'd never understood that never heard it applied to jokes guys trying to abbreviate the states and they immediately come into trouble after the first state started off they thought it was going to be easy because Alabama load them into a false obscurity Alabama. Al Holy Crap this is easy wish we're GONNA finish before they stopped serving breakfast and the hotel restaurant plays instruments and then eventually he started getting gigs on late night TV the including on Conan O'Brien where one performance in two thousand sixteen became an internet sensation the omelets chef and this other guy said you know what I'm not I'm not comfortable with the Omelette station 'cause I I feel like the chef presents you like he didn't want to be the okay about the documentary about how Vata here's Gary's first rule for how to be funny focus on the small things novices like me figuring out what that this isn't real right but I still get emails and tweets hey where can I find that talk about the British then one guy in writing this joke that you've never tried out on on stage before right down two or three sentences that you have confidence that you think may get a laugh tonight joke in between that is that it was from twenty notebooks prior to that I could never make a joke about the disgruntled hostile omelette chef drop the h not much of an abbreviation. step-by-step how did you come up with that joke that I mean I I had the premise which is g a lot of thing that never works that never works the abbreviation thing what if I try this and tell the people it was a it was a documentary in in between the first time I got on stage uh-huh Momentum Connecticut we are screwed because it's so hard to get a new joke to work states start off with the same first two letters that just comes into your mind window yes and the first part of it was it in front of an audience as fast as you can to see if it's actually funny I always talk comedians at every level don't spend two hours I said I hope they have an Omelette station just just for context the Omelette station had just been invented and and then you go into this mini story about but somebody caught it you have to make people forget that Alabama was Al and then remind them that Alabama was l. but the interesting thing about the joke to which may have been coincidence but it was also like I'm never gonNA write another good joke it took me twenty years to write that one that's fascinating that that went crazy I had on vacation one time that I totally I totally identified within totally got it why she does so miserable and to the point where I loved and then there was nothing there was nothing and every once in a while I pull it out of the off the shelf and and rework it and add a line but let's go to the olive chef because she was so surly the next rule is once you have a Monday night push it to an extreme and then I'm not exactly I was in the hospital for depression anxiety and and part of it was writer's block absolutely yeah I mean there are chemicals involved as well stumbled through a joke he made fun of it in the moment and then at the commercial break he talked about it again and it humanized him and just by acknowledging interest and then if that premise works then then I'm off to the races so what's next Arizona there we go back on track next and apologies remained understanding was reaching they got back to abbreviate and they said what's acce- said Alaska everybody cool with Al felt that I had blown it and I cringe when I watch it so that that really bummed me out it was the best job I had I kind of choked I felt here's the next rule be self deprecating an honest and finally Gary says find an easy crowd like a wedding or some other kinds of Sir I love this joke I in fact they adore it it's all over the Internet but let's say let's say he did blow it that actually leads us to another rule Johny I killed at my father's funeral really and then the rabbi when after me and tried to try to you some time and I said I said Rabbi you Never WanNa follow headlines on another laugh I mean I I and GonNa come up with a with another one people said how are you gonNA abbreviate will not not use a single l. he said watch me I know that part of the part of the thing when when I was going through that was just despair over not being able to it was it was almost right after that abbreviations do you remember when you were a kid and you'd watch cartoons about the future like the jetsons and everyone was driving flying electric cars it seemed completely uninformed the things in my life since that night have been geared to becoming a better comedian will and and and as you know today this guy is going to be calling in as advice the fact that a joke bombed you can get laughs and you can make everybody really really comfortable with you by by taking them after me and tried to tried to do some time and I said rabbi you Never WanNa follow the headline on another laugh happens when Jesus pastor Aaron in Jewish comedian walk into a studio you try a joke in it bombs that's totally okay in fact that could be great I'll never forget from my bar Mitzvah my mom took me to see Johnny Carson and he yes because you felt like that joke was so good or it because snow because I I I also thought it was really really flawed and I also I think one day is going to snap and I don't want to be there when it happens then the boss said guys I hate but could we get back to abbreviate in the states we still have forty nine left right at my father's funeral and we had I mean it was it was a nice tribute and everything like that but it was I always say funeral I mean you can really there's I went to say wow that that sounded much better in my head or whatever it is that you want to want to say and it's a it's an honest moment and it's so endearing okay and so we don't have a rap but as I mentioned we do have a pastor when we come back we'll find first thing in stand up comedy it literally drove me mad for years that's interesting yeah I I think it really contributed to my to my eventual hospitalization for `Kansas now we'll come back to it's not going to happen again what's next California ca there we go next Colorado schefter when he dreams of being omelette chef the chef chef now instead of giving the orders he's taken the orders from your stupid wife and Yardley kids are you saying I won't be able to do it I just did thank you very much right so gary actually been kind of tough on himself here because people inch tension so the number one I'm hearing you say is fine funerals to try and stay up reasonable but you know what it's not anymore at least the the electric car park they're not they're not flying it but the electric car part they're totally doing that and the reason why is because electric cars have longer ranges now they're not just for work commutes there are things that you can take on even getaways on long road trips and it used to be that it took forever to recharge electric among Aaron Charles de fifty sixty seventy year old members might not get you know I've learned to to reference the beach boys more and Justin Bieber less I do my best to ban those jokes from my mind sometimes that's because maybe it's a cultural 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The Best Way to Innovate in 2021 Is by Using Clubhouse | Dippidi Deep Dive 2021

The GaryVee Audio Experience

24:44 min | 2 months ago

The Best Way to Innovate in 2021 Is by Using Clubhouse | Dippidi Deep Dive 2021

"Everyone welcome back to the gary the audio experience. Today's episode gary doesn't interview with deputy deep dive. Twenty twenty one virtual real estate conference and he discusses all things that correlate to the real estate market branding and using facebook groups and clubhouse as a way to innovate in twenty twenty one. We hope you enjoy. This is the gary v audio experience on on gary did is that a dunkin donuts. Dunkin donuts has better than starbucks. Starbucks hurt anyone's feelings. But i gotta make dinner be pitching for starbucks business doing this video Perfect time tyler. Like taking a sip and he brought me in but everybody loved that. Been reading a lot of comments. Caught tom last couple minutes. Michael price dante brianna. Good to see everybody. Thanks for having me. How are you tell yes. Super super excited had gear. May i was telling really the practice to start your influence on everyone watching but also the your influence on everyone speaking is so huge so We're super excited. Hear what you have to say about the real estate industry right now. What's your take on it so without further ado you. You need no introduction. Man so that tom and you take it away tom. You have questions lined up now. You don't okay. I shouldn't super. It's super easy. If you give gary a couple of minutes. I'm sure we will be just fine. Yeah alex good have those if not. I haven't handy as well. So i can jump into question number one. Is you have to do it. We like having you part of this guy. I love it soon. So let me get into. Let me pull it up here while you pulling it up. Just 'cause i hit dead air. It is really scary. How consists even when you just said your thoughts the real estate industry. I'm like jesus like especially in tom's world where i've had some interaction through the like what i'm lucky about. Is that clubhouse or tiktok or ott like hulu like the fact that most people here when they realize that they're going to be running hulu ads right or spotify ads in between music and podcasts. 'cause they're going be bought like facebook is going to blow their mind right because when people think one thing about like social yet it's not as big but it was but it was in my mind and i think i've been historically correct. This was bigger than tv and billboards and bunch of bench ads. That's about to happen with other things right. Like there's a new spotify add product. You can sell sure you can literally be like h- everybody sort interrupt your music this. Tom ferry in the past like selling homes. If you're in the markets tom ferry. Dot com t. o. m. f. e. r. dot com. And that you could record that in your phone and place it the way you place an ad when everybody year figures out that that's happening on something as big as spotify where everybody's like listening to music or podcast to that's gonna excite people when they realize the videos they make for facebook. Even the janke was the phone stuff. The stuff i believe in that they're gonna be able to start placing that on a biddable platform on hulu a roku amazon fire stick and now literally their aunt or or more likely it ages up with ot. Their nephew says uncle. Tom i just saw a commercial for you while i was watching friends. The you know what i always knew about so show was it was so big it would eat the world what i didn't anticipate because just to impossible to see was eating the radio and television world because the way of marketing is so interesting that it. It's better it's localized it's targeted so you know. Nf teas are now brewing. Vr and ar are really truly now. I'm you. I'm in the stage of the are. I bought bitcoin up. There's today's a big day for me. Coin banks is going public right now. This second for all accolades of facebook and twitter and tumbler an uber and pinterest. And all the things i've invested in vain are see my fund in two thousand fourteen invested in coin base and the return is extraordinary. Today's like my biggest of my career congrats man grass. This is not a humble brag or that. it's that in two thousand fourteen. I understood the crypto currency. Had a place that you know that this was a real thing that blockchain was a real thing that is seven years ago. Ninety nine percent of the people on this call right now still have no clue or ninety. No clue eight percent. Dabbling might have a little bit of the all of us including me. Were all getting. This is the year of that right. We're all like oh shit. I can't not know about this anymore. Right that the reason i bring that up is because i'm in that place right now with vr. Okay i'm gonna now start to go a little deeper. You may not see a single post from gary. Be about it for three years. I'm cohen behind the curtain to talk to all of you. Not because of that. You need to go and russian and best and be our but because i want you to understand that the only thing that matters is attention. What are you doing real estate business. You need people's attention people's attention so they say oh. I like tyler. I like spencer. I like todd back. I like patricia. Jimenez that's neat. I like and trust. Natalie langford whether whether you saw that as cleveland's top broker as a billboard whether you heard that on the radio whether that came through on it facebook post. Whether it's your aunt told you that that's who she used to buy whether you've been twenty three years leading it or you're a kid that's wearing a good suit because you're trying to act older and presentable whatever this it's all the same game the somebody know i exist and will they then do business with me what i do and what i want. Everybody here to do is understand that if you don't obsess over the first part the second part doesn't matter you could be the greatest realtor of all time based on god but if you go and yelled at god said on the best in the backwoods of and county new jersey where i did high school and nobody's there you're selling zero homes and the biggest disconnect i see in real estate. Is people get way too comfortable in what's worked and lows them to sleep and they don't have the interest in being in the branding game there so transactional which is required which i love. What is made me is. I love selling and i love branding branding more because branding selling for you. When you're not selling nobody here. Dunkin donuts didn't call me and say would you please come to our store this morning. I didn't get cold call from dunkin donuts this morning. Would you like some coffee. What am i include. Gary is one that you did with tommy hilfiger and how that brand reestablish itself because brand prowse you know over two decades now so Yes i love all that we have about ten questions that have lined up for you guys to go. let's go let's go rapid-fire because we don't have a lot of time already went on a ranch so let's do it goodman the first one before we do. I'm sorry for my book. Summit back here obviously understand your notes funny even though you have the human. I probably the most on earth with your team right now because the bucks for an nfc team it really doesn't. I don't even hate tom. Radio anywhere close to sing. I was i was kind of like i watch the super bowl. I wouldn't say. I was cheering for tom. But like the tom brady thing is the thing that happened with me. Which jordan on the wizards. It just doesn't matter anymore. Yeah so. I'm fine with you in the bucks have been bad for the majority of my life so i'm a little bit jealous. You've won two super bowls around all that shit. The policy needed wasting time. They're getting mad at us. The first question where should agency trying to innovate in twenty twenty one clubhouse kogas love. I'm gonna go fast. And then i'll i'll either follow up or come back but tom i wanna say something. I'm going to give it to you. Go ahead i would. I would argue for youtube. Pre roll ads. Gary member three years ago sitting in miami court. Those right now are killing at such a high. Roi it's bonkers you pre roll ads to your point is an obsession. It's funny how we interpret. That question tyler. Right to tom's point because he has a better post to it. What i always have to be careful of is i'm so at the forefront i'm would you say innovate not what's best practice right. Best practice is still parole youtube and my way. Stick with me here now. Facebook fucking facebook is dominating right now. I don't understand people want so badly to go to the next thing. It's facebook creative. It's the videos yup and facebook groups if everybody on this for years. I've said this in the real estate industry very early on in a tom ferry talk very early on an inventory. It was kind of my coming out. Party was this whole thing that people still to this day or doing this mayor of your town. There's an execution that will crush for people in here facebook groups. And here's how you doing. Let's us tampa the tampa very the tampa small business association group. And you're just hosting the party right. How would you like as a real estate agent to throw a party in your backyard. Every day of the week where everybody comes. But it doesn't cost you any money for for refreshments and it doesn't fuck up your backyard and your house and take up all your time. That's what starting a facebook group. That's broad yep tampa's mother association moms at home working moms from home like whatever you do that you're passionate about you start that facebook group and your the person that throws the party monster monster so gary one of the things that super hot right now tactical for everybody is if you're not comfortable starting the group join all of the local investment groups in your town but not the ones that are just. Sfr's joined the multifamily duplex triplex four plex. So you might be the only razzie agent in that space and everybody that owns multi unit. Everybody that owns commercial also owns a house and everybody just show up and contribute. Don't be that sales guy gal. Just contribute be a part of it. Be there to you know to learn grow together. Took the words out of my mouth. It can if you can take your sales dna which are when you have out of yourself when you enter. Someone's home a different facebook group for just a little romance. Ladies and gentlemen romance go if you date well for three or four times in a row. Good things can happen. You know a little romance goes a long way we need to. We need to be humans not sales people in those facebook groups. Yeah i you know. Some michael current said it's about time that a really conference focused on tactics. Not just saying feel good. So let's go very tactical star group and join five in your local area on facebook. Committed an hour a day for a month and then hit up. Tom and i on social media and tell us what happened. It's going to be good yet. I love this is a tactical conference. Anything like that is amazing. Everybody on facebook and youtube your comments or helping me guide my answers so keep them coming in here with observations or questions go ahead to absolutely. What would you tell a. Well established agent or broker. That is still deciding between advertising through traditional mediums like zillow versus social media. Google and youtube that life is a game of both. I think people are so passionate. Tyler about either or or then somebody will say well gary. I don't have time and then i would say yes. You do audit everything else. You're doing because you're wasting a ton of time on dumb shit and then also. I want to know what you're doing when you're not working. Because if you're watching three hours of net flicks i need our back. I need one back for a little bit of both And then some people say well. I don't have enough money. I'm good scaled-down either. The social part zillow part scale down so you come with dollars. 'cause the game is absolutely both awesome. let's see let's get one A tactical on top. I want your answer on this one too. If you don't mind start tom. What's the number one most tactical suggestion that you have for agents to attract more settlers in this market right now so the thing that is outperforming. Everything is a text message that you send eight to ten a day so the. Here's i'll give you just the numbers ready hundred and eighty-one text messages. Gary in a four week period to people that are already inside your database. So there's some no like trust some love at some level hundred eighty over four week period. Hundred forty four responses forty. Two people raise their hand and said i'm interested thirty. Eight had a cma created so. Here's the value of your home. Gary right like you ask for it. I'm giving it to don't go to zillow. Don't go to anybody else site. Here's the hyper local experience from that group. On average twelve research phase sellers people. That are like hey were a year out from moving. You know my my mother-in-law is about to act so we're going to move to why we're leaving new york. We're going to florida whatever. It is a year outs research phase sellers and on average three listings taken and then for revise for buyers and then usually one or two investors from that hundred and eighty one test with about a thousand different agents so that that my friends most tactical thing you could do but all means. Hey gary checking in hope you in the family. You're doing great. You know the real estate market in new york city is bonkers again. I'm curious would you like to know the value of your home and instead of saying bonkers say bananas and do like eight banana emojis. Because it's gonna catch people's eyes and imagine and they're going to respond to it and that's all the text is right so if you haven't talked to the person in five years you might wanna say shoot a little video and say hey gary checking in and hope you guys are doing great. Just you know sending some love. I was walking down the street. You guys are in the neighborhood just wanted to say yo and then two weeks later you send that tax but for the third of your database. That's already warmed up to you. Start sending eight to ten of those text messages a day. Don't send five hundred at once because you won't be able to handle the response and actually you're cutting about your client. Experience will suffer so then what and what eight does versus five hundred is allows you to go deeper with each individual on which allows you to create context and humanity and humans are animals. We smelled shit. We know when we're getting a bulk and everyone got this. And it's fuck you tom instead of right tyler getting texts from about a free leonard fournette net signing that day. Now it's like wait a minute. Gary actually had to write this. He's not sending bulk to everybody out. Lettered fucking for net you know and so that yeah i. I've been on both sides of that. I've done it myself. I've sent a manual tax. That i've done but it's been too canned where people actually think. It's an automated responses actually knee so that a great perspective there to go by the way tyler. I've had that as well through the years. One of the great moves for everybody. When someone's like wait a minute. This is spanned. Did you literally make a video. I'll be like tyler spam you yup good weather and then then it goes triple good. I actually prefer when people are plugged. That this isn't really you gary on the on my hey. Text me up my that. You hooked me up with years ago and people will go. Is this really tom. And i'm like. Hey gary it's me like how can i help. I only gave out my number. Because i want to help. People can help people freak. What tom intuitively figure it out. You know when he came across a young me and actually executed on. I always give credit anytime i can. Because it's true so many people came across me. Many people were smart enough like tom to understand. Like oh fuck. I think he might be up to something. Almost nobody actually executed. Because it's hard. But what tom tom had and the others did had was the ambition and the actions to actually match remission. The people i meet that are going to be millionaire selling homes and then like post on social like like don't cold call 'cause they're scared and like people don't back that and so what what. The insight is winding the subtitler. Is he understood that scaling the unscaled was the actual game right right which is really not and the reason would probably worked for him. Was the real estate industry. Prior to modern technology was very much. A dirty grew up in the game knocking on doors. Like your work. Ethic directly affected your outcome. How many phone calls you ruling to make. And how many doors ruling knock on and how. Many chamber of commerce's you are willing to join. And how many local boys club this and don't end donating to the you know the little league and like at all the dirt and non scalable stuff that you were willing to do was a direct attribute and went technology. Came along people. Like oh good i can just email blast everyone and go to sleep right and and the right way to use technology is to use it in parallel to amplify your hand to hand combat. You're getting your hands dirty awesome. So i have four more questions. We have about five minutes or so. So let's run through these gary. What could cause the extension. Or i'm sorry to cause the extinction of the real estate agent as we know it today. I think the human being doesn't get eliminated with technology. I think i i do think amazon and zillow and like big companies. I think complex. Like i i think people need to be very careful and understand. The technology will continue to try to take you out. It's your best friend and you're standing me but humans when they make that big of a purchase really feel more comfortable doing it with humans. So here's what i would say. I do believe that the big platforms will eliminate over the next decade period of time. The bottom twenty five forty percent of agents. I think that they're just like buying a car. Instead of going to a dealership. I'll speak for myself. I'm in common uncomfortably. Comfortable buying a ten million dollar home through three clicks on a computer. I mean it. I'm not saying that at cool or be weird or to prove a point. I am uncomfortably comfortable with buying a ten million dollar home through the computer and if zillow wants to set up five thousand people virtually in call centers and. They're in the philippines so they can just answer my question on like what's my mortgage again and what's that again and they can answer it or an. Ai bought machine learning could just answer. What was the school district one of my taxes. I will do that and so will a lot of other people. Many more people will not. My father would never do that. And and many many other people including people younger than me will not. But what i do think will happen. Is that the twenty five to thirty percent weakest agents and the game that are getting by will have something to worry about ten to fifteen years so very yes sir. You're on my My my rant with everybody. The argument today. It's it's actually what you're discussing is coming. It's already coming true the differences today. It's the smart marketing companies. The zillow's the realtors the quicken loans. The mellow homes is. They figured out. The arbitrage game because agents won't brand themselves and market themselves and like my entire argument for everybody listening today was unique to dig a moat around your castle and protect your brand beyond just putting it on steroids. you need to recognize. They're all coming directly for your commission dollars and they're gonna earn it every day. Michael says relationships are hard destruct. He's right but they're going to out flank you for making the relationship digitally before you make in real life right and the scale is the issue and by the way i could see in the comments. None of these companies are bad. I'm friends with all these companies. They are just following their business plan. The question is what is your plan to make yourself a little less disruption anti three to five years and when i wrote the thank you economy and did some. This is what gets me so sure day. That was your best book. Wait to see what. I've got coming in december. I'm ready i'm ready. I agree and i think this one scott it anyway but nonetheless this is a big statement and and michael inspire me which is why like comments i to this day can't understand people don't understand and i would say ninety percent and this is a rough guess. You guys probably have a better number. Two guess on people are rochas at keeping in touch with people. They already sold the home to with no showing your card that you actually want them to say. Hey my sister's in the market just like again. I'm just teasing tyler. I know exactly who. I would have been as as an agent. I would've sold toddlers home and out of nowhere for no fucking reason when tampa one a good monday night game eighteen months later i would have texted me like huge win. That's it knowing that. I continue to say top of mind knowing that tomorrow. Bruno walks into the office and goes. Hey i need to. I'm thinking about moving. He's like oh shit. You you need to talk to my gary like i keep that the were all. The money is for almost everybody. Who's watching this right. Now is the collateral relationship graph of the people. They've already sold and did a transaction with yet. Most people are such hunters. They keep going for a new thing and they're not farming an old thing and when they farm the thing they fuck it up because it's too like hey sally how you been following any of your friends in the no no transactional relationship. Yeah yeah literally. Just you just reiterated three of my big points so that was just answer. One of two final questions was what would you do if you were a real estate agent today. Which obviously that's what you do. I apologize. I did have a hard stop. I know we act a little bit too much. But i hope we gave some value in a hope. Everyone's well you're good in appreciates bye bye guys as we today's podcast. I want to give a huge shout out to the people you know. It's so funny. People that leave reviews and written reviews of this podcast on apple spotify and all the other platforms just in the world to me. You've taken an extra thirteen to ninety five seconds to show love and also give context the people of why. This is worthwhile podcasts. So i appreciate that so much and even more fun. Because i think we all love a little cosigner a shoutout or little awareness I'm going to have the team. Give a couple of shoutouts daily on our favorite reviews so taken away which for our favorites this week. Thanks gary. today's amazing five star review reads. These podcasts are a great way to start your day in. Recalibrate your thoughts for focus in goal. Achieving my wife and i had begun are entrepreneurial endeavors and gary v has been a huge inspiration in believing in yourself making realistic goals and going forward to meet them his ability to explain societal. Correlations in the history of the world is outstanding cheers. Thank you so much for that amazing review into anybody listening out there. If you leave us one you might just get shouted out in the next episode.

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Equipping the Next Generation to Transform Culture, Part 1 - Meeke Addison

Schoolhouse Rocked: The Homeschool Revolution!

22:58 min | 1 year ago

Equipping the Next Generation to Transform Culture, Part 1 - Meeke Addison

"Are you looking for a new math curriculum? Ctc Math specializes in providing online video tutorials that take a multi sensory approach to learning creative graphics and animation synchronized with the friendly. Voice of internationally acclaimed teacher. Pat Murray make warning math easy and effective favorably reviewed and Kathy. Duffy's one hundred. Two topics picks and the old schoolhouse crew review. The lessons are short and concise to help your child breakdown concepts and appreciate math in a whole new way visit. Cdc MATH DOT com today to start your free trial. That's C. T. C. Math dot com. Pay Everyone. This is Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the schoolhouse rock. Podcast have such a great guest on today with me and I'm so excited for you to get to meet her her. Name's Miki Addison. And she was actually introduced to me by Israel. Way I know that many of you know Israel. He's been on the podcast several times and he said you need to meet this Lady Miki Addison. I said okay so we started checking into her and because this is what we do we we use the Internet to spy on people and and so Gary actually started listening to your radio show and just following you on facebook. He's been for minds and he said we have got to get this lady on the podcast. And she has such an encouragement. I'm really really excited to have you today. I would love it if you would introduce yourself to our audience. Well thank you. I'm so excited to be with you guys and that means so much to know because we have so many different outlets people can listen to whatever they want so. It's an honor to me and for me that anybody would listen to anything that I have to say. I'm we'll Addison's wife Anna. We've been married for fifteen years and I'm the mother of his five children and We home school and I also. That's my full time job. My part time job is as a spokesperson for the American Family Association. And I pick that up for my good friend. Abraham Hamilton said he says that what we do out in the culture that is part time work but that are fulltime workers with our families. And so anyway I do that and I host A National Radio. Show wore our Monday through Friday. Where we talk about cultural issues. We talk about marriage. Family assert that we look at. What's going on with the church in how we can hold the line as what we're constantly encouraging people to do. Hold the line and Twentieth Century America. Yeah I love it while you were doing amazing work and I love what you just said about. A Abraham Hamilton. The Third Rate. That's correct pastor. I learned and another great advocate for Jesus and and home schooling and culture. And just this this desperate revival that we are in need of and you said Beena. Imam is full-time job. And the other stuff is your and we just actually did a podcast. About Motherhood the Ministry of Motherhood and I kind of gave my my testimony of what the Lord's been doing in my heart and kind of going from working fulltime with schoolhouse rock and pouring my whole self into that and realizing that my first priority really needed to be my children in so the Lord has really been working in our family and kind of allowing me to let go of some schoolhouse rock Steph. Except for the podcast and allowing me to be more present with my family and so I love that that is your primary ministry as well and you know in that podcast. It wasn't at all to to say we shouldn't ever work as wives and as moms we should never ever ever work outside of taking care of our families but there has to be balanced doing that. We need to know what our priorities are inside. I really appreciate you saying that. I know that the Lord has done many great things through you and you and I got to talk on the phone the other day. And you've got to share with me kind of your story about how you started home schooling and so. I would love for you to tell that story and then I want to talk about culture. How homeschooling kind of ties into this whole culture war that we have going on so so share with us your home school story so we kinda found ourselves in a situation where we were just we were sort of at this impasse where we you know realize that our kids were sort of being disabled away from us because you know whenever there is influence whenever there is training whenever there is teaching there's discipleship you are making people who are followers and so you know we had our kids with the two oldest of the five were educated traditionally so outside of our home and one of the things that we noticed was that just you know these slow changes happening in them where the things that they cared about and the things that grabbed their attention seemed to be more of the things of the world and they had wonderful godly teachers. I mean we live in a small community and so They went down to first baptist. You know in in our area and the teachers are active in the community. But at the same time I started to notice that those became my girls influence that their teachers and that their peers were their influence. And so add to that. I felt like I was spending two to three hours after they got home every day. Just kind of read teaching them and event. I just felt like why. Why am I doing this? Why am I frustrated? And and then also I'm adding time to my day to teach them the way I wanted them to be taught and after prayer and just will not putting our heads together. We felt like the Lord was really directing us to home school them and I guess that was twenty fifteen and we haven't looked back like so when I was. I was expecting baby number four. I kind of keep track of life by the defense but I was expecting baby number four. And and that's when we made the decision that you know when this came to a close we would home school. Yeah I love that In your show and your radio show that you host you talk a lot about culture and just the this culture war that we are in and I would love for you to talk about it from the perspective of a Christian homeschool. Mom What do you see going on in the culture right now? And how can we as Homeschool moms help this this revival? That is really needed to take place. I think one of the big mistakes that we make Yvette is that we think the culture is neutral. We think that oh no. The culture does not have a goal or aim or that it is not aggressive with that goal that aim and that's one of the things that we try to sort of awaken and stir the Christian community to seeing back. The culture is making grabs all the time. And actually it's predominant right. So our country has undergone a shift where it's no longer the Christian culture that is predominant you know. So we've heard people describe this as post-christian America and what does this look like you know But the reality is is that it's not the type of America that I think even you and I grew up in. I think it's rapidly changing and what we have to recognize is that it's not a neutral. Change is a very aggressive changed pools toward darkness. So you can't just expect your kid so sort of be out in this culture and be unaffected bike. Your kid doesn't just go out into the world and arrive at a neutral position. Right your kid going out into the world is going to arrive at the position. That's already established by the culture and it is antithetical to faith. That's right yeah it truly is. And we're trusting that because we have them at home with us You know when we have them at home with us if we have them out in in the public were teaching them Bible verses and maybe they go to a one and they go to church on Sunday morning and so we think oftentimes is Christian parents. Well that's enough. They know we love Jesus but then for thirty five or forty hours a week. We're putting them under the influence of someone else in someone else's ideas in someone else's religion really because everybody believes in something you know and there is young legend being taught in public schools and oftentimes even in private schools. There is false religion being taught in those schools as well and And so yes. I think it's a very difficult thing to expect. Our kids to spend all of that time away from us and then still come back with our own values and beliefs and morals and It's a war. It's a battle that we are. Yeah so let's take a quick break. We're GONNA come back and talk about more about this. The twenty twenty homegrown generation family expo is going on now. Join us for new live interactive sessions. Every week you'll enjoy practical homeschooling encouragement advice and resources from your favourite home. School leaders register today to hear from Kirk Cameron. Heidi Saint John Sam. Sorbo Rebecca spooner. Miki Addison Todd. Wilson and many more enjoy a free preview over nine hours of content at homegrown generation dot com or register for lifetime access to the entire conference for just twenty dollars go to homegrown generation dot com today. Hey guys this is Brooklyn Hampton daughter of the host of the schoolhouse rock. Podcast Deloitte this. Show then stop listening. That's right pause the show right now and only for review on itunes or your favorite podcast APP. Let others know how much you love it? Don't worry I'll wait. Did you do it. Great now back to the show we are back with Miki. Addison and we're talking about just this kind of culture war that we have going on What can we as parents who unisem listening to this are homeschool parents? Some are not some are trying to figure out this whole thing and wondering is this for us is something that we want to pursue. How can we have a greater influence on our kids and therefore in our culture the first thing I think we have to realize is that there is the need for greater influence? I think sometimes we start talking about. Hey here's the solution is what you have to do. But I don't know that Christian parents or even nominal Christian parents have even bought into the idea that there's really a war that they really to be aggressive in this you know and so one of the things that we try to do with our kids. Is We try to parent them for the America that they live in now. Not the America that we knew not the America that our grandparents new but we try to carry out. Our kids are based on the American that we live in now and the unchanging message of the Gospel. So we still teach our kids that they are peculiar. We teach them that they will have by default a different approach to life and we believe that we have to prepare them now so that when they go out into the world. They're not shocked to discover that they're not well liked. They're shocked to discover that people don't love their message. Because you know there was a time when we're all pretty good you know we're everywhere and everybody kind of had the same values in the same morals but for those of us who are adhering to the word of God. We're waking up to the reality that you know where the rubber meets. The road is at a Bible. Believing Christian will be called hateful We'll be all too big. A will be called narrow minded and you can believe in eight Jesus who accepts everyone as they are and doesn't require anything of us and dom is just one among many but if you say what the Bible says about Jesus Christ that he is the only way he is the only way to God he is the only one who forgives sin wall then you're narrow minded and we don't want that type of Christian to be in our circles so we prepare our kids and this is gonNA sound weird. I know but we prepare our kids to not be popular in the current culture. Them how do you do that? Practically speaking okay. So this is gonNA sound really weird right but one of the verses and we make it to this a little bit later but I really believe that a kid or a student who is fully trained as the Bible teaches us is going to be like their teacher right exactly right so I try to ensure that will and I are the number. One influence is in our kids. Lives and so we modeled for them that we as your parents are not chasing after the latest fat. We're not into everything that's cool in popular. There are things that we filter even as adults like we constantly. Tell our kids the things that we say. No you're not going to participate in that are we? Don't watch that we call it consumption. We're not consuming those things you know what I mean. We tell them. Hey guess what. We subject ourselves to the same rules because these rules aren't arbitrary. It's not GonNa do it because we're adults you can't because your kids we say no. This is what we do as people who follow the Lord. Jesus Christ so practically what we try to do is make sure that we ourselves are not in the world to beloved by the world that we're not in the world to be life so that means that we're not ripping and running all the time we're not trying to keep up on the latest thing. I cannot stress enough. How much parents influence their kids with their actions? More than what they say right. So it means that the things that we value we want to make sure that it's biblical and then we want to communicate that to our kids so that these are also the things that they dow and it's as natural to them as breathing. It's the way that we live our lives. You know. Yes yes I love that so much and it's a hard thing to do especially because we have grown up in a culture where we we want to. We want to be liked. We want to be popular. You know I I definitely thinking back to my high school years so funny. I was just talking to my daughter about this. The other Dan I remember high school and junior high like it was yesterday. Graduated in Nineteen Ninety three and that was longtime ago but I remember it like it was yesterday and I remember that deep desire to be popular. I wanted to be liked by everybody and I wanted to be the cool girl and in that something that even as an adult I find myself going into. I want people to like me. I don't want people to dislike me. And and it's hard to not conform to the culture around us but I mentioned this on last week's podcast where we talked about when when my oldest daughter was born I had a very wise mom come alongside me and she said you become the wife. Iman that you want her to grow up to be yes it. I mean that's wonderful and I want her to become and so I'm GonNa fail a million times because I'm a sinful human but at least I can attempt and do my very best to be who God made me to be and then we get to teach our kids I was. I went on a walk with her this morning. Actually we were talking about identity and about how her identity is found in Christ and Christ. It's not found in the culture. It's not found in what magazines say is is the new fashion and what things on TV say and how you should talk and what music you should listen to. And it's hard to keep them from that you know. We were very intentional about what our girls see. We'RE NOT TV WATCHERS. Or we're not really big movie watchers. Which is kind of ironic since my husband is a filmmaker but oftentimes you know we sit down. We're like let's see if we can watch a movie and it seems almost impossible to find out in a decent movie for us to watch as a family and I. It's but it's okay then. We ended up playing a game. Which is what we do all the time anyway but but it is difficult. It's difficult to be completely set apart. How how do your children react to that? Has that just been something that they just no? I mean that's just because that's how your family is or do they. Do they push against you on that ever? No I have to say now. Each of our kids has their own unique personalities. Like so I noticed that it there there are objections but those objections are raised differently. So with our oldest. She tends to be like she was very strong willed. So from the age of three to like seven it was consistent and constant discipline character shaping. It was Oh my goodness it was exhausting but man the spirit of God just really gave me the I guess the endurance to know that if I can get to this point and not. Just leave her on autopilot. It's going to produce a reward and I have seen it. She's thirteen old now and she is. She is my second in command after me. I trust her in charge. She's always had the ability but it needed to be channel and I remember having a conversation with her. You know I'm she was maybe about seven or eight and it was almost like the height of the revalued challenging everything and I said to her. I said listen without consequence. I said let's have a conversation. What is it that? What are you want like what is going on and I said you're not going to be in trouble? I just need to know what is it. What's my daughter said to me? She said I wanNA be your boss. I WANNA be your box right. Hey Dan knew. This was a breakthrough for me because I understood that. What we're doing here is now. Were battling for leadership and so. I had an opportunity to teach her that. The time is going to come where she's going to be able to be in her own family and she will be the mom in the family. She will be in that position of leadership And it was a wonderful moment and it changed the course of our relationship so now she is actually very honest with me when she is tempted to rebel when she failed. Things are not going her way. You know sh. We built a relationship where she will tell me then. I have my second daughter. Who is compliant outwardly but inwardly? No I disagree. I don't I don't understand the reasoning. I don't understand why we have to do it that way you know. And I've noticed that in her and so I've tried to encourage honesty and transparency. Us sometimes think that my rules are arbitrary. Yes do sometimes think we don't need to do it that way. Yes let me explain to you why we're doing it this way and let me explain to you that again when you're married or if that's not the Lord's will for you but when you're on your own or however this all works out you know after you leave this house which that's a whole another topic. Were not pushing our kids out But you know so I have to deal with them each differently and then I have another son who he doesn't understand why the world is so wicked really just doesn't understand why people are not better. He's ten he's very philosophical in his thinking he's He's very scholarly so he reads a lot and he reads the Bible a lot on his own like he just loves the word of God and you know. He says he goes. There's there's nothing that the Bible doesn't speak to is what he says all the time like when he has an issue and to go back to another question that you asked about one of the things that we have tried to do so as homeschooling parents we still try to make sure that our kids do not see us as the final authority now right so we position the word of God as the final when they ask US questions we take them to the scriptures. We saved them all the time. This is the straight edge. This is the straight edge you know and so we try to take them back to the word of God and that's helped them to process a lot of what our objections are because they see them as biblical objections and not just rental like usurpation. I don't know I guess little they want to be independent. So you know yes. Yes oh I love that so much and it's true you know we've our girls are kind of flip flopped from yours in that. My oldest is the more outwardly compliant and my youngest is the very strong willed and so neat to hear her. We've really been working on her. Strong will and it's strong I didn't I. I never really understood what a temper Tantrum was until she came along and I was like. Oh that's that's actually thing. It's different than a Tantrum. A temper Tantrum is something completely different while she praised. Now she like yours. She has such a soft heart and she often almost daily she prays Lord. Help me to use my strong well in a way that honors you because I got gave her that strong. Well it's I want her to use it in a way that honors him. I don't take it away from her. She needs in the right direction. That's right yeah. And he know she can do big things for his kingdom if she will learn to honor and obey him and what a beautiful thing you know that God is the final authority like you said. I want to talk more about this. We're out of time for part one of the so. I definitely want to come back. Let's depart to on Wednesday and let's talk more about God being the final authority about what God's Word says about discipleship and I want to talk a little bit about the church and what you see going on and church culture today so thank you so much for those just listening to this by. Um where can people find out more about you? Miki I'd love for people to go to AF DOT net You can learn about the organization and also find links to check out the podcast for airing the Addison's that's awesome. Yes we'll definitely put those in the show notes and I'm so excited to announce that you are going to be part of the homegrown generation family expo. You are going to be doing a live interactive session and it's going to be this coming Wednesday April first from Fi. It'll be five o'clock. Pm Pacific Time. Eight o'clock pm Eastern time and people will have a chance to just come on talk with you. Ask questions and we're going to talk a little bit more about this. We're GONNA to talk about culture and about The the word of God influencing the hearts of our children in in discipleship. So I'm excited to have you as part of that event. Thank you so much and thank you for being on with us. Today we will be back on Wednesday with more from Miki Addison.

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"Hey everyone welcome back to the gary v audio experience. Today's episode gary goes on the build in public. Podcast talk about v friends in everything you need to know about buying ts. Today's landscape we hope you enjoy. This is gary vr. Experience gary welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me for stuff i want to say. Thank you for accepting my in white in a conventional way on twitter shooting. My shot learned that from you. Of course you keep saying this for years and also one extend a warm shoutout to your team lou. Maha haley for making this happen. So if you're listening thank you everybody. I want to kick us off to the to the topic that we both have been jamming on just before getting started. So the idea of difference. Big fan been watching the space. What was the origin. Are the genesis of the idea. Do you remember the day or the conversation. That's part this in in your brain long journey right if you look back at all my garage sale videos if you look at the things that talked about with collectibles There's a lot of things that the references i make to eighties cartoons in the style been my fascination with wrestling character development. There's a lot of things that went into it but the aha moment. In in december and january there was a lot of smoke around piece for me personally and then. The aha moment february was like. Oh this is really happening happening. And i got very very serious about it and what was really interesting was there was a moment. It was on a saturday night in late january. Early february where i was like. I'm i'm living this like this. Is this is what i'm going to do. This is what i'm going to do. And i'm going to get very involved in of teas and then very quickly right behind. That was what i normally do. Which is going to get my hands dirty right so what ended up happening. Was i knew that i had to do a project. Just like i knew how to do a project with. Td in two thousand six or just like i knew how to do a project in nineteen ninety seven with marie dot com. That's right but empathy. Winds was something. I i've done a lot of projects but both wine dot com unwind library and building gary and building wine library dot com. Were much bigger because they were my reaction to. There's something huge going on and let me be a student by being a practitioner. And so that's what happened here. Oh my god and teases happening. Let me do v. friend which was really just a recalibration of something. I was working. On two years ago called workplace warriors. Were which were characters that i was gonna make into little shelf toys and desk toys so that people could think about optimism or kindness or patients during their workdays right. So that's what happened there. Yes so it. Just was eureka and one hundred days later in launches so for from that saturday to launch and the post launch a energy and excitement in the community like house. The journey ben. And what's one favorite story or highlight degree. You can think of that. You were surprised by. Johnny's been remarkable. It's incredible you know hundred journey for me. you know. Probably from february thirteenth to may twelfth is exactly the actual dates And i I will never forget it. It's one of the. It will absolutely be substantial moment in my career. I know that to be true today. you know. I think it's funny. Where my brain went. The adversity comes to mind that. I our launching on the twelfth after one week delay and knowing that the there was a glitch in the meta mass gas and knowing that was gonna turn people off. The website was down. That was often. I'm running a dutch auction. Bright so that hurt the prices for shore which was fine highlight was the first one to resell Ago have maybe four days ago the first person to reseller. That was too exciting to me. Open season That's interesting to me. This community that i built on dischord is out of control. That is going to be something but really. It's about the things to come. It's knowing that i've got A ton of things brewing in the this is like the beginning of the rest of my life right. I am going to build these characters with the same vigor that i used to build up my own personal brand. I want to ask when it's all said and done. What do you hope to accomplish with this project. What is the legacy of v france that he hoped to paint over decades. I hope that these characters scale my mission to teach personality traits that i believe in accountability kindness ambition patience but the so. I like to leave a mark. You know why not. Why not try to be impactful. Human being why not. And i think the way i can do that is for communication capabilities and i think i penetrate people in a way that unique. I have come to realize that in in my thirties and early forties of now. I want to scale that because what i the way i talk may work for you but may not work for your aunt or your niece or for your buddy john. I think about that. I as a matter of fact. I'm quite aware that. For thirty percent of people twenty percent of people. It's instincts turn off in the other way little too much too aggressive. You know people feel like my conviction. Impassioned sometimes comes across as egotistical or as a. No one can pathetic to that feedback. I respect it. I also know that furthest thing for my intent and and i'm incredibly passionate to develop east characters to continue my journey of pushing good human attributes. And that's what i'm gonna do get it. I don't know if you remember. He probably got a million tweets. That the when i e quitted to walt disney of nf tiara. And i it sounds. Of course i can happily complicated what it meant. There was the real impact will uncover twenty thousand five hundred forty five. That's right of the characters. Because i think what's interesting there. Is that sort of almost a moving yourself from the message and the attributes and the values of what you would you believe in our message because the joints are not you know not necessarily just. It's not just gary in different outfits right. i think that's what i love about it. It's not. It's not your face when different outfits. It's kind of like what disney when you think about disney the star wars and everything. And you like it's the i. It's it's the story of who end on end adventure and funny is historically walt disney. Vince mcmahon george. Lucas were always people that i felt more interested in than being. You know a famous person right right. Even those had notoriety they were. They were definitely different than tom. Cruise or whole cogan. Right or mickey mouse right and so i am. I almost feel like my journey is going to be a little bit backwards. I think it's a very. I'm love interacting with people and i'll never shy away from that but i look my. My behavior proved it. I didn't go to hollywood. I didn't want to be on the food network were qvc. I just came me. Execute or of the median that was emerging with youtube and social media. I believe that's about half of my nfc's exotic as just a fan as another executives and other builder in the space. I think you laid the foundation and a was it. Tom billion who said that he's incredibly jealous. And i think that's how a lot of us felt a lot of everybody. Whoever their career arc. They're out that this was a great case study in public and you owned it and also the launch day and the stuff that happened after the launch dan again goes back to owning. Quinn and people are actually remarkably kinder than you think gary. I think people will give people enough credit that like despite all the glitches i think. The dischord is buzzing and everybody overall walking away. This was amazing. Because because the intent was there i think a lot of times leaders. That was the lesson in that for a lot of people that i hope people took away which is look. There was a lot of things that happened. That weren't necessarily quarter On on my fault on my fingertips. But i hired i was part of. I think accountability is powerful and and. I don't wanna tweet delaying this. Sorry y'all we made fun. But those are micro missteps on a week later here with thirty five million dollars in defense sold p people long forgotten that got pushed a week and that the first hour was clunky. Love it love it so it brings me to what's important for consumers and buyers to keep in mind with regards to nf. we're just. This is a meta question. Not just be friends. Yup what is something that people need to keep in mind. I know there's a lot of smog. Now there's a lot of hype but something that's important to keep in mind as a buyer as a consumer as a buyer that ninety percent of these projects will probably fail. I mean that is. That's that's kind of sorrowing right like you know. Dot dot com. That's right that's inferred probably repeat over and over and over ninety. Eight percent of those stocks failed but amazon and ebay did not night and to me. My focus is to make the amazon. You know. I wanted to be project from this era on the flip side. It's an incredible time to dabble with point one east or things that nature because there's some real diamonds. There's plenty of things on open sea right now. At point one east that are destined to be forties many. I actually think more than people think. So that's exciting. I also think that That the macro to stay in every small business influencer podcasts. Or like yourself needs to say kay piecing himself like you know. Could i put out ten fifties and sell them for point twenty. I was thinking about putting out like a building public enough t for the first ten listener. So something should. I'll tell you why you charge point one or even less. You don't have to charge the kind like i wanted to go big so i was very premium. I also have outrageous levels of expenses. Yeah big time yeah. Six going to have thirty forty employees have incredible levels of expenses. But i think. I think he should because you should learn because i believe that tease will be a marketing protocol aimed at asset for everyone in the long term. And i think the sooner one tastes it the quicker they can take advantage of it. The take a guess. If you were twenty nine today in new jersey this product would have been you and sacha and the garage hacking it out. Together with por- four point one eath and maybe threat newbie offering a wide membership. That's right isn't it. Except i love that. I love that so much about you. That hasn't changed at all. Gary such a big fan. I'm grateful for consistency in your character. Okay impact is a big word. That comes to mind when i think of you. Impact over the years. We touched on earlier legacy. How many people do you think of impact over the last two decades of your life. What makes you wake up and do even more for them. Last question A lot and it just it makes me emotional to think about how many hundreds of thousands which is just staggering. You know definitely hundreds of thousands. I've just have gotten enough. Dmz emails to feel confident. That that's right which is just profound and is like emotionally humbling to think about What what what makes me wake up is a very interesting blend of selfless and selfish mixture on the selfless side. I feel incredible gratitude to the talents i was given in mindset and communication which is such a byproduct to. I am on the selfish part. The more you give the more you get. And so. I really believe that i just do. I believe in the practicality of karma. I don't think it's this. Weird thing called karma. I think it's when you do nice. I mean look what look at this. You know this is like i mean when i tell you i rolling and anxiety that i get from the people around me when i have no time and have seven. Trillion responsibilities have been offered river three weeks. Let's be friends and now back this week. Dana wrecks and the company needs a and my admins. But she staff they look at a meeting like this. The fuck escapee. Why are you doing this like we need to for the staffing meeting or morning meeting or interview. This candidate like real shit. Not like ha right but i can never change back to your point earlier that i just inherently know that i need to keep giving deposits of settling. Like this your podcast. That was forever changed by my appearance. You will be able to leverage many wants. That's right. I mean it's there's some things that are micron. There's some things that are macro right and to me. I almost had ninety five percent. Guess rate that you would say yes. Wow you know why why that's your dna. And i think that alone puts you in a whole starters. Fear among world leaders. Wherever like all these people and not to say that you know your time as much you of course there's tons of people who but that's why when i was talking to lou is like you don't know how much this means at. I gotta i send you presents because those people who see the effects of this but to me. It's i've been waiting for a decade and moved to the us. Two thousand eleven gerry. Waiting for a decade binge-watching you're content but not really watching it just kind of the only to consume but applying it immediately putting it back into code no code projects. I projects and really like blink myself career path. And i'm like okay. I had a ninety five percent certainty that he will say. Yes because that's dna. And and i had one hundred percent willingness to take. No you know what you heard from me there to what i want. I want to definitely mentioned this question on immigrants a lot of your fans immigrants. A lot of people who follow me. Are you work on amplifying immigrants and shining light on your childhood story resonated so much for for years with me as i said i'm an immigrant too. You grew up in modest conditions in india and thanks to a magical scholarship. One percents decision in two thousand eleven that here in the us grateful for every day every single day and this imperfectly country that we all love dearly. What's a qualifying trait that you've inherited as an immigrant as a young immigrant. That you look up to even today when you see as the next sasha the next gary the next immigrant and say yeah it's still there. I chopped on the one transition. I was falling hallway. What was the beginning part of the question. What's a quantity auto trade that you inherited you have it in you. And in other immigrants perspective on the opportunity one of the things immigrants have a massive abandoned job is they know the alternative incredibly awesome epic friends who were born in this country even if they travel a lot. You don't taste it the same way. I came from communist russia. By even though i came when i was young i fifteen years of my household even in america was just on limited conversations in stories of just shredded lettuce. Yeah sadness people dying in their forties and fifties normal alcoholism boss consumption in russia suppression anti-semitism a persecution jail time fear just a sheer level of you know. I don't think. I don't think a lot of americans realized that. So many people around the world lived fear. Right you know. And and i think some of our social unrest in the us. The last decade has given people a taste of it. But the deltas. For all my for all the friends who are listening right. Now who are americans. It's you know people around the world if you have. The context gets amateur hour. Our unrest know compared to around the world. So that i think because of that my friend everything else flows the inherent work ethic that comes along with understanding the opportunity humility people who are electric engineers in one country. Come here and wash dishes. Clean toilets and we'll do it in a second because they're like well in four years. I can right and so i think it's that macro perspective of actual opportunity. Actual opportunity is a huge driver. And so i see. I see in the drive. I see it in the humility. And i see it in the gratitude and the complete lack of ego. It's that humility. I look for a lot right because have to start over fresh correct okay so a key tenant of your story is the lesson you. You've advocated for years and embodied yourself document deng create which you know i think has been amorphous in into building public at least the deck circles and i've embodied that i want to unpack that a little bit more. Why do you think most people still don't believe in documenting create still. Don't get what. What makes them skeptical about you. What do you think that they are still on the fence of the conservative judge. Roy plain simple plain simple. Now's one navigate. How does navigate the fears of judgment as in this society. I'm not putting other people on a pedestal. Dear opinion i value anybody's opinion over mind. None nobody nobody the guy. That's the response. I got a classic another gary. Actually usually you touched on perspective. Real quick real quick. Yeah i think. There's limited amounts of people who i respect who have more expertise and strengths and many categories than me but not thing that stops people. You're ugly your. You're not smart. You're wrong about this subjective opinion on my subjective opinions and once you once you get to that place. It's a lot easier. I respect people's differences. But i don't their judgment of if i'm good or not. I don't their validation or permission or permission. Yeah what's one piece of advice you would give the pre pandemic getty it would be more of a affirmation because because what the pandemic has done is completely affirm so many of my beliefs the advice i would say is. Hey you know that hunt you have that during versus you'll be at your best but you're not a hundred percent sure because it's been a long time since you've had adversely than good and when you were a kid and got nine eleven and then young when you got the global Economy recession and have as much to lose. So there's a percent of you that still wonders will this new version of you the forty-five-year-old version because there's a lot more to lose. Will he be different. Hey good news. Gary he's going to not only be not different and completely be ready to be a wartime generous captain during rough seas. You're going to see an even stronger version of yourself. Incredibly comfortable with the way emotionally mentally operationally as a as a human. I navigated these eighteen months. And it's given me a lot of validation for me with myself within my shells and incredibly remarkably prepared for the next adversity. There was once a quote that i read it. It said something like money magnifies you adversity reveals you. Yeah i'm a big. I'm a big believer that bursting money and saying all do pretty much the same thing. Which is accelerates the truth right and i I also am very detached for my own. Self i when i hear the accolades. Or the booming. I i really do feel like a lot of that has to do with my parents. Meaning i feel like when i get the accolades i see that as a compliment to tomorrow and sasha manner took probably more than i see it as a compliment to me and i think there's something in that that more that i've spent more time talk about interesting you. Can you unpack that a little bit more like it is it. Is it because you think that they've done great work. Setting the foundation of your self belief. And that i'm the byproduct of them their dna and their parenting and their decisions. And so i kind of see my success in cheering as an incredible reflection on them. And and i really share my success with them. In a way that. I think i'd come to learn as far greater than a lot of people around me and so i wonder if that allows me to not to your point change ak. It's probably the reason. I can maintain a level of humility. But i do. It's also why have such thick skin to the adversity. It's almost like i'm detached from it. It's not successes not my oxygen. You're more than your accomplishments. As a matter of fact. I would argue that. My accomplishments are not things that i really even think about. I think what the process like the game. What what is essential about you gary. The the gary v at maybe a ninety five percent of the audience don't necessarily get to see your don't don't don't know yet. I'm incredibly at peace. I can actually feel it folks. I don't know you if anyone's of course they were not on air. But i can feel it saying i'm i'm being most people. Most people confuse my high energy for any level like people would be flabbergasted by my levels of chill reminds me of steph curry and the way he plays it feels like he's having fun is not in the game and video game. It's actually in real life. Having as much fun every moment. And i think to the point of that comp is it's all slow for me i feel like when i watched staff and other great athletes. You can feel that the game is slow for them. Yeah and i think for me. That's what's going on with life definitely business. It's just slow a loved it. What is your message to our listeners and fence that if they can build a relationship with time and realize they have a lot more time that they will have far less anxiety and that using a sports analogy. If you're down by thirteen going into the fourth quarter and you win by or you won by four and a lot of people's fourth quarter in basketball reference and in life referenced is really ages fifty five to eight so i'd like to hear from everybody that's under forty one. Are they so upset about that. They have been accomplished yet. You've more than half your life to do it. There was the thing that you want said that. I carried like a torch when i was having dark days for for years. And that is you haven't lost you just early. Yeah i believe in that shit. I believe that people are in the process. It lit up my nights. Gary just many many many many days. When i was in dark places. Like feeling self-doubt. I needed to hear that i would hear it over and over again ends and we back up and that was a big one for me really. Hit a lot of people very backed. You're going to die. Yeah i think really helped a lot of people. Because you know that doesn't motivate you right. You got this opportunity. I think i believe it. I think that's the other thing that really resonates for me like what i say. I believe to the fucking debt ranch. So i think that resonates. And that's what. I'm focused on communicating things. That are true to me. And and i believe true to others. Love that gary. That's it it's awesome is this is it. I just had a few hard questions for you. And i i almost. It's funny because i almost could heart what you were going to say. That's how consistent you've been over fifteen years thank you. I've gotta run. I apologize okay. Thank you so much. And i want to say once again. Thank you bye bye-bye as we end today's podcast. I want to give huge shout out to the people. 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A Curator Special: The Impossible Case of MH370

Monocle 24: The Curator

51:08 min | 6 months ago

A Curator Special: The Impossible Case of MH370

"Hello and welcome to a special edition of the curator on monocle. Twenty four with me. Georgina godwin over the next sixty minutes. We'll be bringing together all five episodes of our series examining the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight. M h three seven zero. A plane crash always produces millions of debris and he. We had nothing. The french journalist flaunts to shaanxi. Examine the impossible. Case of m h three seventy over the next hour here on the curator with me to godman Flight three seven zero took off on march. Eighth two thousand and fourteen from kuala lumper heading to beijing. It has apparently never been seen again french. Journalists florence to sean. She thinks that that's not just incredible. But simply not credible. She's documented her theory in a new book the disappearing which uncovered the web of misinformation concerning one of the greatest mysteries in aviation and gives us a possible explanation. This is nbc. Nightly news with brian williams and good friday evening from our studios here in new york before we get underway with nightly news. However we have to begin instead with a breaking news story just into the fox news alert malaysia airlines confirming. It has lost contact. With a passenger jet the boeing seven seven seven breaking news right now. Malaysia airlines confirms it has lost contact with the plane carrying two hundred twenty seven passengers and twelve crew members. They have lost contact with flight. And h three seventy traveling from kuala lumpur to beijing. This is what the flight tracker currently says. The flight status is result. Unknown the site breaking news seven. Australians are that has gone missing on its way to beijing. China vietnam and malaysia are now searching from the air and see the uss. Pinkney is also on its way but the possible crash area is vast malaysian. Air force official telling cnn the aircraft. The malaysia airlines flight. Three seventy that boeing triple seven Transponder stopped sending messages. But for at least an hour that plane made a u-turn started to fly away from vietnam back towards malaysia. Malaysian air force radar was picking it up but then all of a sudden the plane disappeared. Traffic control contact with the plane about two hours after takeoff with the disappearance is due to mechanical problems. Pilot error or even terrorism is yet to be determined. That's how the disappearance was reported around the world. The likely story is enormously complex and to take a closer look. I was joined on the line by florence who began by explaining how it unfolded seasons are funny then. Fatal defined relation three zero zero three five zero three tonight. A malaysia airlines flight with two hundred and thirty nine people on board including four americans has gone missing at this hour. A desperate search is underway for 'em age flight. Three seventy which deported. This is very rare for an airplane to disappear. is not normal. I think we have at this hour Every reason to expect that this is not going to be a good outcome The big airplane like this Losing radar contact It usually ends up in to basically it all starts on a friday night. The seven of martin t fourteen and a bit before midnight. You have people beginning to blow their flight to beijing. Serve kind of a famous flight. It's a daily flight so most people in malaysia who have connections with china and vice versa. familiar with that Redeye flight so the plane is a triple seven. To one hundred e. r. which she's kind of the work of civil aviation. It's one of the safest planes on record and remember as well that malaysia airlines has an excellent reputation at the time among the two hundred thirty nine people. Two thirds of the passengers are chinese. And then we have a few dozen of malaysian citizens and then people from another twelve countries. The plane is also carrying ten tonnes of cargo which perceives completely norman. But we look at what is in that category litter so the plaintiffs of on time at forty minutes past midnight. After about thirty minutes of saint it reaches its cruising altitude thirty five thousand feet and that's probably when service can saw of those likely that most people who'd be sleeping but that time so plane is located half way across the gulf of thailand between malaysia. Chizzy needs back if you win and yet none writer. The night is quiet. There is little wind. But it's very dark because the moon has already so our goal and a two one. Twenty-one one the captain then signs off from malaysian espy's we've done now famous. Ooh infamous line good night malaysian three seven zero. Then she pushed to contact vietnam airspace. Almost immediately this is the most basic thing that planes do when they quit. Enter a new space yet. What happened instead. Is that the plane. Suddenly disappears from the screens of all the traffic controllers in the region and it takes a wild dan for the controllers In a hotel mean western boost to receive the plane to realize that they have not heard from image seven zero. And that's really the beginning of what has been called the greatest mystery in the history of civil aviation. The situation in kuala lumpur was incredibly celtic. That were all kind of rumors about one. A day out say you had hundreds of media including international and local eager to cover any lead that could pop up and then suddenly the wall street journal came out with the massive scoop that the plane had in fact continue to fly for several hours yet that was initially dismissed by the malaysian authorities. Who did not want to confirm that scenario on friday fourteen march news broke from an unlikely source. White house spokesman announced new information and a new search area referring to the southern indian ocean in this manno washington force kuala lumpur to emerge from its silence but left it up to the malaysians to disclose the details on saturday fifteen march militias prime minister najib roads arc finally made his first public statement since the start of the crisis that thrust his country into the international limelight in a way that no other event at ever previously done. He stated that the situation was without precedent. E corroborated the story that the plane had indeed changed. Course e confirmed that. The data transmission systems of the boeing. Triple seven our cars and transponder had been disabled. And that inmarsat s- theory that the plane flew until eight nine thousand nine hundred was correct. Prime minister najib also advanced the theory of a deliberate act by someone on the plane after making his one and only statement to the press prime minister najib to no question from journalist disappearance of flight imagery seven zero and it's two hundred and thirty nine passengers and crew had just entered a new face. It had been planned seemingly quite masterfully. So was it a hijacking. Then but if so to what end and has concluded the image seven. Zero flew along the southern corporal and that it's loss position in the middle west of in these sausage. I described really turning point because from there on the official narrative became that of adelie. Britt act what we must understand. Is that someone in the cockpit had turned off the transponder and the system. That the plane had you turn and flew in back over malaysia. So east to west that then via north up the malacca straits and then it rounded some sumatra the indonesian islands and eventually edit south to the southern indian ocean where it was later established on the basis of the satellite data provided by the uk satellite company in that it had crashed at eight nine hundred nine. Yeah so i know very well that a few days later australia mentioned huge debris that had been spotted in the southern indian ocean so really all media from that point on started migrating to birth in western australia to just continue their coverage of the story which was supposed to be unfolding there following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery two possible objects related to the slippage have been identified in the disappearing act. Florence's retraced the flight until the moment it vanished from all the screens of the traffic control is in the region and reminds us that after a few days the plane was said to have continued to fly and made a complete u-turn eventually crashing into the southern indian ocean from then on as florence explains australia took the lead in the investigation. I spied shortly before question time to prime minister. Not jeb razaaq of malaysia. He asked that. Australia tyke responsibility for the search in the southern victor often the malaysian prime minister additional maritime resources rescue on wave just left out what level established area approximately twenty minutes. Australia had a duty to do a surface search because the set crash region was within its essay off search and rescue region but once it became clear that the was simply no debris let alone no bodies to be rescued collected from the surface of the ocean there. That was absolutely no reason for australia to be in charge of the subsequent subsea search because such an operation normally requires experience and expertise and australia simply did not have that in fact not only australia had no expertise in that of a parisian. But it's safety transport bureau. Dat is had a pretty poor reputation but it was in the midst of a scandal because they did a very poor job on another crash investigation so from their perspective of course they really needed to restore their image but from the perspective of who you want in charge as the most credible professionals available. It was a very strange choice to name australia. The most obtuse flew of the search is that they decided to start a search in a place where it was strictly. No tangible evidence of the plane having crashed anywhere near where researched a plane crash always produces millions of the breeze and he. We had nothing on the indications from super sophisticated calculations based on satellite data. That should have been backed by some kind of tangible evidence. You know some witnesses having seen it something actually. The first person who really alert me was a man called a hino. Nashua is one of the world's experts in marine archaeology and he has led dozens if not hundreds of sea recovery's including the titanic. The air france plane air four four seven. The one who first made me realize that older noise especially a bound beings made simply new sense. Basically signals emitting by the east facilitator. Dan occasion so it's a bit. As if you send little microphones very deep and of the water to try and detect the pins that will eventually lead you to the black boxes. Cnn at the time was like twenty four seven on these beings truth ease things of the wrong frequency sometimes beings even located keno maters apart where repeatedly presented as very likely signals emitted by the black box in fact the authorities confusing things even tang on wild animals. We've been from the black boxes. The even later admitted that day at kuta. Pink coming from their own sheep so This specialist national league stealing me. I knew the people on the ships. They would never make such basic mistakes and he was convinced that something not right was going on when you look at communication from the australian government about the search. You see that it was essentially inconsistent erratic and the sect for example in april twenty fourteen. Completely out of the blue. You have strained prime minister tony about suddenly announcing we are just a few away from the black boxes. Obviously we're throwing everything we have at this There are many aircraft That will be in the area today. You'd never explained then. We had a very respected military executive angus houston was the head of the search operation who announced the detection of a novel sleek as a promising development. I shouldn't shield detected an oil slick yesterday evening in current search area. A sample of about two liter. You have to realize that this was thirty. Eight days after the plane had supposedly crushed so any remaining fuel would have evaporated anyway from the surface of the sea. In any case the plane was said to have crushed you to few exertion so without a drop of few left in sold yet we have this high ranking military calling ah promising development the fact that they found a long sleek that went on for weeks and months that are that are dozens of examples so for any of your expert looking at these search. It was just a circus. It costs it. Two hundred million australian dollars which may sound like a lot of money. But it's important to keep in mind. That disinfect equals to less than half the price of a be. Triple seven a. We've heard a lot about flap. Runs in the last twenty four hours. what are they. What did they two major discovery on the tiny french island of law reunion which was about six hundred miles off. Madagascar and the focus of the investigation has been around a piece of wing told finally remembered that sixteen months after the loss of the planes that was in july. Two thousand fifteen. We do a flopper on which is part of the wing of the plane. Beach in reunion in the western part of the indian ocean due to the location. It meant that france was going to be in charge of the investigation about the slippery to supposedly the first debris from matrix of zero. And i can tell you. I don't find this flop. Ron very convincing at all. I just mentioned one basic problem. Which is the flop. Wound did not have its identification plate and in formation the only instance when you take off and identification plea from a plane part is when you officially dismantle the plane so the fact that the flop loan found in reunion had no plate should have been an immediate red flag now. Another very interesting detail. Is that the experts tried to float. The flop randy noticed that the way it was floating was not consistent with the gross of the obama called that had been observed on it but honestly there is much more to make me think that this species probably not genuine and of course francess skip everything related to this flap under the highest level of secrecy now about eight months after the flop from discovery. That was a wave of so-called imagery seven zero. They suddenly appearing in on the eastern coast of africa do. Pc's ended up. Being confirmed very ugly. Boeing was never asked to confirm that they wet tuning from imagery seven zero australian team at the time said each was not necessary to ask boeing's expertise what they say in conclusion about street. Search operation is that it seems to me that if its mission was to find the hell of the plane then it failed miserably but if it's mission was actually to keep the world on tenterhooks for three years then did a pretty good job in the days and weeks after flight. M h three seventy disappeared millions of people around the world with gripped by this mystery. Some became incredibly dedicated to the cause of finding the truth and florence corner term for these three seven aficionados calling them m h at the same time dozens of theories including some pretty outlandish ones sprang up from everywhere here. Florence tells me more about these theories that quickly emerged to fill. The void created by the mystery and her encounters with some of the most dedicated images time you have the route. Ten million people voting plane every day. So the mysterious fate of this one plane touched. A lot of people must have focused on. This could be me next time. But then beyond people just generally interested in to cnn which also had serious goupil got super passionate about mystery that the a dedicated an enormous amount of time and energy sometime years of their life to find the plane and to basically crack this riddle. So these are the ones that i called the images. And the lack of any conclusive answers has guaranteed that flight. Three seventy remains the greatest mystery in aviation history. This video is makes six and a half years. Since the malaysian airlines made three seven eight on china's just broke fishermen from indonesia claims he witnessed horrific crash before they describe a few of these emma cheese. Let me mention some of the most popular hall tentative scenarios that were floating around at the time because they quite fascinating most extreme you had some images to west convinced. The plane had been captured by aliens. Actually at the beginning of my investigation. One of these grouping for me directly and quite seriously that. I did not need to search to hall because the plane would be back in six months and group the astrological charter flight. Mhs three seven zero and they came up with the wand of warning that they wear mind playing tricks. State and that common-sense would be required in solving the mystery. I kind of like that one. Then you had. The new mirage is to study the numbers and letters related to the flight and a new name a treaty among the preeminent wants twenty one. You have in mind. The theory that survived over the years as being first and foremost that off the guilty pilot which is in fact a classic case of plane crashes captains hurry on. My job was in charge of the plane. The fifty-three-year-old was born in hang state in malaysia. You studied tonight. Free school yet based on my research and all the confidential info about him. I became physically convinced. Pretty on that captain ari. How much was up. Not suicide let alone a psychopath. In fact he was one of the most experienced pilots of malaysia. Line and it was just a good man. So i could cross out the theory of the guilty pilot. We've confidence now. Another good one was a related to diego garcia. The uk has long been used as one of the most us nutri basis in the chagos archipelago in the middle offer indian ocean that worked several stories. We've giggled in one case it's supposed to be the target of nine eleven style attack in another one. It's the plane and its passengers that actually he didn't there because the united states wanted to prevent something that using the plane from reaching beijing so the second scenario was an extra one point enriching. You won by the most bizarre rumor that spread like wildfire. Where philip was the only adult american passenger on board would have sent a text message sing that he had been held hostage by unknown military personal that he had been drugged and there were a few other horrid details and whatever was trying to propagate this nonsense over the internet said even that the meta data of the image sent along with the text message was indeed locating the food in the very island of diego garcia at this point. What do you think has happened. Do you believe perhaps. Philip could still be alive. I do believe he could still be alive. Because there's actually no evidence that points to a crash you know at the time it was. It's really a polling to find hoaxes of such poor quality could find an audience but anything related to the plane seem to attract some kind of interest. There was yet another popular theory. This time related to the presence on board the plane of twenty employees. Offer the see my american company which was free. Scale a leading manufacturer of microchips and four of these employees said to have a share in a specific beaten set to be of at most strategic important so the four of them died and the company could claim back hundred percent. But i had someone from the industry look at the patent and we found that there was strictly nothing strategic about that was obviously more credible theory. Which was that of a fire in the hole possibly do to him. Batteries that were transported was among the most realistic scenarios and it was also the one favored by pilots. Are i would say you had all these possibilities that were being discussed in hundreds of dedicated forums. Where the images ended up regrouping. Mostly i found according to their affinities. We've one you re hannover among these images you really had all kinds from. The scientist retired engineers the pilot or the way to the mystery solvers the maniacs and honestly the certified park thoughts there were also some very serious groups made of highly credible educated and dedicated people in the book. I name and detail their work. That has been great help to me. The most recognized was very elite It could itself independent group but it was made of about thirty top notch. Scientists from around the world and their aim was really to assist the authorities indian analysis of the data provided by masayuki or satellite communication company. And then another group of images. We've and almost opposite stands to the independent group came together through their common work on satellite images because at the time. That was a project called tom. Not that wu's Essentially using benevolent participants to screen satellite images asking them to look at them and flag anything relevant basically any debris the spots and even cuckney love said she might have spotted the plane one of these images. The rocker admits she is quote no expert but says she thinks she sees a plane and an oil slick in this pick she added her own eros and initialled her notes on the photo so this group of people that call themselves the another's got to know each other online and interestingly based on the images they were watching they grew more and more certain that the plane had crashed in the south china sea and not at all in the southern indian ocean there was among them one german member was sue adamant issue debris of the plane that it to just go to the economic on a diving expedition but then they realized the coordinates of these images had been tampered with in such a way that people were looking at the satellite images didn't know the real location of the pictures. Anyway i also met amazing image working alone. One is full of chinese military. Believe it or not told me people just calling tree seven zero now. I know the one is a lawyer whose firm almost went into bankruptcy because of his obsessive work on imagery seven zero. And what. I needed me really. Is that the best people. Ramon these images to the exception of course of the scientists of the independent group rejected your official narrative. One way or the of florence to shamsi author of the disappearing. Act still to come here on this special edition of the curator. We hear about the continued effort to find out what happened to malaysia airlines flight. M h three seven stay tuned. Ubs is a global financial services firm with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of all people we bring fresh thinking and perspective we know that it takes a marriage of intelligence and heart to create lasting value for all clients. It's about having the right ideas of course but also about having one of the most accomplished systems and unrivaled network of global experts. That's why at. Ubs we pride ourselves on thinking smarter to make a real difference tune into the bulletin with ubs every week for the latest insights and opinions romy all around the world with a special edition of the curator where recapping our series examining the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight. M h three seven. Oh i'm putting the goldman the shaughnessy author of the disappearing act believes the search for m h. Three seventy in the indian ocean was possibly just a diversion from the real disaster theater. And we've heard that lots of different theories flourished one of them blaming the pilot flaws explained to me how she worked through this mountain of information to reach the conclusion that in huffy the official narrative has been a fabrication anger to the streets. These relatives of passengers aboard m h three seven. Zero say malaysian officials deliberately concealed information wasted resources and delayed any possible rescue operations. I know it sounds a bit heavy and hard to believe. But i'll try and explain how i came to completely dismiss the narrative offered by the authorities as an explanation and therefore be able to call it a complete fabrication. So let me remind you. What was the official narrative. It's easy to cut. It intrigued halts. According to the malaysian prime minister. Najib razak said that the time that it was a case of deliberate act i someone in the cockpit at turned off the transponder and ecosystem. Which is the system that automatically sends report about the state of the plane in this case every thirty minutes while they should f- what's primary data showed that an achraf which was believed but not conserve second. The plane had made a u-turn and flown back over malaysia. East to west and then veered north up domenica straits and finally. This is the third stage on the basis of satellite delivery. It was established that imagery seven zero eventually headed south to the southern indian ocean where it was later said beyond reasonable doubt to have crashed at eight nine thousand nine. So let's take the tree one by one i. The instruments are supposedly turn of actually if someone in the cockpit. I had turned off the transponder. All indications related to image. Seven zero would have come off the screens of the traffic controllers at the same time but and this is recorded in the official report. It took up to thirty seven seconds for all the flight. Data scored mode c and s to gradually come off the adc screen in vietnam in thailand and incredible so the progressive way. The information related to imagery seven zero came off the screens. Proves that something different than someone simply turning off. The transponder happened. It actually hints at some kind of jumping second. I found that there was no solid evidence that image tree. seven zero did it's famous u-turn. Just after the weak point. Gary actually there are more evidence to the fact that he did not the most obvious. One is the fact that when expert tried to recreate the term as described it proved to be essentially beyond the capability of a bit people seven. So that would almost be the end of that utah but anyway there was another enormous alibi to the u-turn. Tweet pointy gary which is the fact that imagery seven zero was actually seen by vietnamese primary radar until the next way point on its route which is called be towed and which choose thirty seven miles after he gary. So you can't have the plane making a u-turn tools the west at waypoint gary if it has been seen at beato which is further east now when you had some radar data published in the official ladder reports related to a plane flying over malaysia. An attribute to imagery seven zero expert sources. I discussed this. We've basically said the data was grossly inconsistent with a b. Triple seven and same for the radar images of the plane flying of malaysia that were attributed to imagery seven zero and two sources who sued these images that actually not original shared with any party insisted that the target was not consistent. Weaver abi triple seven. I was essentially too small and fast. The aircraft went across thailand malaysia. It runs down the border. Three and t and her husband was saying to thailand from coaching india on the nights that malaysia airlines flight three seventy went missing. The british yachtswoman said that while she was alone on the deck. Doing first of all we start with a startling new details about the jet's possible path. A senior malaysian government official tells. Cnn that flight three seventy may have been flown on purpose. Now you have another highly problematic issue with this official narrative because Besides malaysia imagery seven zero is also supposed to have flown over or nearby vietnam thailand indonesia singapore and australia yet. None of this countries have provided any evidence. Not even a statement that imagery seven zero was in the airspace. A point. I mean that's incredible. Some countries came up. We've very lame explanation like staff with sleeping. All the radars turn off to save electricity or and the maintenance but it's not acceptable in addition the many us military ships and planes of the seventh fleet. That monitor that region twenty seven did not see a maitree seven zero do it. You can either actually the. Us military satellites did not provide any proof of the planes a u-turn or whereabouts and most unbelievable all when the rogue be triple seven. That gone dark. She posibly flew right over the butterworth. Lp's which is located in penang on the west coast of malaysia. That did not trigger any alert but this is a net base share by uk. Australia new zealand singapore and malaysia. It is under australian command and the base should abuse me half scrambled jets in a matter of minutes if not seconds if a massive rock plane had really flown overhead. So anyway all this. I believe establishes pretty strongly that the plane just did not turn in a way once. You knew it did not you turn. It's almost a waste of time to discuss. The pins provided by in myself for the third part of the official narrative. Where the plane. She was at south. But there are still quickly so few things about these things. Because it's important for people to realize that the only base for the massive search in the southern indian ocean was these very sophisticated so-called handshake beings hundred is basically a sense by a base located on land in perth in this instance and it goes to the satellite thirty six thousand kilometres in the sky from the it finds the plane wherever we tease goes and say hi and the plane. Replies high the handshake ping goes back all the way. Tweeds base. Fire the satellite so based on this they worked out. We've set it you. The plane was wealthy search. I find it hard to swallow really but the facts are number one. The route established by these. Things was not corroborated by anything else. Not a witness nevada. Has we've seen the true number. Do such a method to locate a plane was unheard off at the time and never been proven correct ever since and the bottom line is that it clearly failed to locate the crash site once. I got to the point where i was basically convinced that the play never u-turn eastwood's back to square one in a way back to these way points of yari and bittered between malaysia and vietnam around one twenty-one though em and really asking myself well what happened. There and then flown says explained how she came to believe. The official narrative associated with the disappearance of the plane must have been fabricated. The story that we've all heard that m h three seventy made a u-turn and eventually crashed in the middle of the southern indian ocean after a ghost flight is actually not substantiated by anything solid florence claims. But i wanted to know how once she was sure that the southern indian ocean story was not real. Did she try and piece together. What had actually happened is therefore we deep sadness and regret that. I must inform you that according to this new data image three seven zero and in the southern indian ocean valid. Probably my my west path. That i think there's intense pressure around the globe to keep looking. I think if the malaysian stink they can walk away from this this sadly mistaken because i do believe he could still be alive. Because there's actually no evidence that points to i had to start from scratch back to square one really which is in the sky between malaysia and vietnam when the plane is at cruising altitude of thirty five thousand feet and last thing we heard was the sign off by the captain i was keeping in mind and things that were firmly established while at least in my mind which were that number one depleted not return and number two that there was a very experienced pilot in charge for fifty three year old was born in. There is a scientific theory. Hold the oakham razor which says that when the hawk several explanations for an occurrence the one that requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct so it seemed to me that the two most obvious and simple options where either that the plane that crashed soon after the last contact all that the plane just continued to fly most likely on its planned. Route towards beijing yet was not being seen on the radar screens. With of course would have to be explained one way or the other i knew from a long time ago from a very solid intelligence source that two u. s. walks planes had been in fourth but nothing more is an abbreviation for airborne warning and control system. There are big planes. 707 usually computers. The big on top and job is to listen and to watch anything that is happening hundreds of kilometers around them that essentially eyes and ears in the sky but to be honest as much as i knew that this was solid genuine intel and possibly the key to the whole reader for several years. I did not see how it could help me We've my understanding of the pain disappearance so much that i did not even mention it in my book which was published in french in twenty sixteen. Yes later. I had a meeting with a fool mile military pilot to discuss another topic. I was researching any told me as an aside that i walks jamming capabilities were phenomenal so when i finally put the two together. The fact that i knew from a long time ago that to our walks well on site and they're phenomenal jamming capabilities. I came to what. I called the sandwich. Scenario where m h seven zero is the facto cloaked by the presence of these to a watts and that was really one of the major epiphanies of my investigation once they understood that the initial disappearance was due to a massive jamming created by the plane being sandwiched between the walks. A lot of an experience aspect made sense so we're now at one twenty one and jamming starts an image seven zero disappears steadily from the screens but then a bit more than one hour at twenty five. The plane is live gain. Full reason that the official narrative is completely unable to explain the satcom suddenly logs on again and a few minutes later. Persian center of malaysia line announce it to kuala lumpur pool atrophy. Control that the plane is done. Its position and that locates the plane north east of vietnam and this is written black on white the official report. So how do you explain this sudden reappearance of the scene while the plane you look at where it is at that moment. And it is fast approaching chinese airspace. So it makes a lot of sense to assume that the to us. Alex had no choice but to back off. Because seven zero was entering. Basically the chinese airspace. A few minutes later and there are actually quite a few more solid clues to corroborate the fact that the plane most likely met. It's fate around that time to forty five. Am and in that area. Which is north of yet nam. In the book. I also discussed sameday call that was supposedly emitted at two forty three e. m. by an eight seven zero and mentioning that. The cabin is disintegrating. And this other kind of world that are used when the plane has been a subject to a missile attack. The message was also requesting emergency lending. This message at the time was published on chinese media the very morning of the accident and it was also retweeted lot but then all tweets referring tweet where i race and it's years later that one fantastic french images to was helped me a lot brought to my attention. The fact that a pilot from vietnam airlines was flying in the same region had reported hearing this mayday call. That was probably another major breakthrough. Because i could finally validate that. This may cool was genuine zero one. Three zero air control unable to contact him. H three seventy request the pilots of commercial flight in close proximity to m h three seventy to attempt contact with malaysia. And then wade case was pretty much closed. We know when Around two forty five and we knew where which is off the northern coast of vietnam. Of course the next question is why to cut a long story short. My best guess bs on all these collective clues and intern is the plan. A bean cargo confiscation of ration- where the plane would have been forced to land the problematic. Consignment would be unloaded and imagery seven zero with landed in beijing eventually with slight delay and it would have been a non event but this plan a field possibly because the pilot refused to obey orders that were not confirmed by any adc nor by is company malaysia. Line and then disaster happened when the plane was about to reach chinese airspace and it was a next west journeys. Obviously what could have been in the plane to trigger such spectacular and sophisticated operation. And i'll just say that. I had a good look at the cargo and that there is at least one super suspicious consignment that did not go through x ray despite its enormous size and weight and that was delivered under escort to the airport which is basically unheard of in malaysia again. This is official information. Not my own sources. One could assume that review authorities involved knew exactly where the plane crashed and intensive cleanup operation could have started immediately on site north vietnam and i put a very important witness in the booker former bloomberg and an who is adamant that he sold on vietnamese tv. Debbie of the plane being picked up the very day of the price and the black box of course at the time Get numb was talking about a crash in the south of phnom and then after a few days as we have seen a more sophisticated narrative came up. We've and must things and he drove all the attention away from what i suspect is the crash scene. And that's how being the biggest disappearing for some time to his hawkish. In three hundred zero to nine very many thanks to lawrence shows you her book the disappearing act the impossible. Case of m h three seventy is published by harpercollins. 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NFT QT EP 003-Why Access Tokens Are The Most Underrated NFTs

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NFT QT EP 003-Why Access Tokens Are The Most Underrated NFTs

"Hey everyone on this. Episode of the nfc qt podcast ryan and i are discussing access based nfc's those are tease at grant you ongoing access to experiences. In and outside of the metaverse will cover the two. Most famous access tokens which are v friends and the medici. And we're going to close it out the episode with an nfc idea storm on access. We could totally see popping up in the near future. You'll want to stick around till the end here ryan's hilarious but very plausible ideas as it relates to access tokens now. This episode of the nfc qt podcast is brought to you by the nfc. Handbook the nfc. Handbook is a detailed guide on how to create its cell. And by non fungible tokens without the need for technical background. You can learn exactly what. Nfc's are and how they've evolved in why they have value in order to get your copy of the nfc handbook go to amazon dot com and type in the nfc handbook now. This is episode three of the. Nfc cutesy podcast today. We're gonna be talking about access tokens ryan. What's up man. How you been man. I mean i'm just. I'm inspired to be honest. This is this is what we're looking for. Nf teas my friend. I feel like you're going to clown me today. I mean. I think you're going to have some pretty crazy insights since two my my friend my friend i mean i gotta i gotta admit i don't own a friend. I know a lot of people probably just shocked that. I can't afford a v. friend. I mean why. Don't have one i. It's like one of those projects to where like i don't get the normal updates or like no one's sand lake. Lv friends are are. they're going for cheap right now. And it's not the first crypto project. I checked but it's something i if i can find a decently priced v friend. I think i'd get in. They're going to have to lower the prices on those at some point. Yeah i mean it's funny because like they are doing numbers. But you're totally right like you don't see it popping up on twitter that much. It's kind of like it was talked about a lot and now the people that are collecting them are still still buying and selling them like there. I mean the lowest price right now is like four hundred. Yeah i know gary still going crazy. And when he talks about projects like man he's he's able to drive the market. Somebody's projects like curio. I did get one of one or two of those enough teas and gary's been tweeting about eight. He's got a whole little community of people just creating organic content around their driving the price up on those. Those aren't access tokens. I t's but to your point. The v france community is very strong. And you know the engagement that you're seeing in that community is just it's unparalleled in. I feel like that is the future of t. communities as it relates to access tokens and the reason why we're gonna clown me is because i bought a medic. He but i know we probably should talk to people about what exactly an access token as but i. I think that's one of those things like we're going to color it in an example in through examples because it's a little bit easier to understand them when you look at the examples There's not many right now but it totally is like easier to wrap your head around when we do that. But essentially like an access token is something where you're buying an nfc and just simply by owning it you're getting ongoing access to something and it's a little bit different from lockable per se where you buy the nfc and you get that thing and access token is ongoing. You know and it's we'll talk through those examples and how that makes sense but really it's it's gonna be a way to build a community of collectors and keeping them engaged through just different experiences as opposed to them buying it. And then you're kinda just leaving it up to them to do with it whatever they please. And so i think. Like access tokens. Broadly are going to be a really great way for celebrities. Athletes teams clubs bunch of different existing communities to engage with their fans on an ongoing basis. So yeah let's breakdown. V france to start. I think that before we get into v. I think access tokens. You make a very valid point when you think about existing ip that people already kinda have communities around. So i think about anything as a remedial as the you know. When when they have game of thrones. Even though. I know that's over. You know those watch parties i used to happen. Yeah yup i mean those could be you know you can make like a fan club for the watch party in like give everybody access and not like you guys can access a special link to director's cut or something you know like let's wash directors caught. You only get to watch it if you if you have that access token right but like the beyond that it's like you know it could also be community created content to so like someone has a watch party and before the show. You know what's going to happen. And then after the show like. Oh my gosh is happened like you. Can you can access all that through an access based in. Nfc in like. I'm seeing some interesting stuff that live alongside like the discords in the slacks and telegram groups. In what is fascinating there is. Just how the nfc allows for special status to be assigned to these digital destinations. So if you have an office or you have a group of people and you all already on like a slack group. Everyone's in the community you can make private channels. But that's kinda lame because you know then you have to manage. Who's in what channel and forget who has access to what and so the nafta does all that in the background. Right if you have it in your wallet and your in the group in your wallet. Connected sierra count. You automatically auto assign people access to certain things based on their their status per se for sure. Yeah i mean it's in that way. It does very much operate like slack channel. In a sense you can. Only you know like you're not just sending out slack invites to anybody all your friends like no. It's like just the people that are on your team like the cool thing about that though too is like if you have like a public version of your slack that was open you know you can also do content. That's only available to nfc holders now. I think it's gonna be interesting because like how do you like for people that have collections. And that i've already kind of started cooking on some of this stuff. How do they start to turn some of their already. Existing projects into access based on t. Because i think this is ultimately like the future of. Nfc's as far as like you know what's coming next. What's very practical from a brand or from a Creator standpoint and to to answer your question earlier. What is v. friends. I think we can. We can get into that so The way i understand. The friends is gary v has Created about ten thousand. Nfc's that grant you access anything for vecon to brunch with gary v or even his famous Brainstorming sessions and the cool thing about it. Is there. Gary actually draws all the not right. Yeah he drew them all. Yeah which is absurd like found. I don't know how he found all the time to draw ten thousand pictures like they're pretty simple. I was still like what stick figures take like. What ten thousand ten thousand. The magic number to become a master at something. Yeah but i mean so. Some of them are addition series. You know like they kinda like he created one and then they just created a like you know a few hundred off of it right guy a few of them are one of ones and then like the backgrounds change to to make different types of rarity and stuff but yeah so it's not like ten thousand individual guy there are ones in series addition numbers. Now i like the project. I think that the projects really dope. I don't like the price i think. The price is really high I think i'm more wondering what your take on that. Yeah i mean i personally. I think it's he showed us a really great path to monetize celebrity. Right you know. Think about how many people watch this stuff on a daily basis and just wait for his next. Instagram poster is the next tweet or is an ex of youtube video just to hear what's on his mind right like they wanna talk with them. They won't engage with him and he just created a way where anybody really can for the right price. Get in contact with them. And i like it's a little bit. You know kind of funny in that sense where it's like. Yeah you can just by gary's attention now always by gary's attention. I don't think that that was something. I was intrinsically new to like the nf though true true very true. But i think about it is the variety like he gives you a lot of different options. For how you get to engage with them whether it is a brunch or a lunch or dinner. Some of them are group sessions. Some of them are one on ones like there's a lot of variety to it. So you kinda get to pick and choose what you want be a part of and i also like the simplification of it. It's ver- you go to his website. You click on an nfc and you know exactly what you're getting. You're getting access to the vecon for the next years. You're getting three one hour sessions once a month or whatever for the next year. He's very clear and what you get. It's not complicated at all. Anyone can understand it. And i think he kind of merged the two worlds of gary marketing guru type of guy startup guru type of guy and any kind of bridge that gap very well. Yeah no i. I would agree with that. I think the one thing that to your point. There is the accessibility right. Like you know if you came in. And i came into the game and i wanted to you know one. Get gary v's Attention like two years ago you have to figure out who was office manager was if you want to meet with him on his schedule you need to figure me no matter of a speak and it was the whole process in like if you had access you knew someone maybe you can make it happen. But if you or you could just go through the media you know put up a nice retainer but in this case it's like you know he simplified in the sense that like hey if you learn how my flee friends and tease work and you're a whole wallet holder on this date or in this range you know you. Can you have the ability to talk to me in person and we can figure things out. That's though But at the same time. I think it works very well for gary v because who gary v as if you were like in olympian just to to talk about something that's relevant right now. I don't know if the v. friends concept would work that while unless you're like very story like michael france i'm michael friends right helps friends about strains your michael phelps like maybe that works because people know who you are and you're like you know one of the most iconic olympians to ever exist But if you're just like you know someone that isn't olympian and not to discredit them. It's just like they might not have that celebrity grants. I bet you're talking about. Yeah but then it becomes more of like you're buying a cameo damn near you know like right now because what if are now in some cases right. Yeah i guess so. But i mean like it works for gary because he is very versatile in like he could have a conversation with anyone and give them advice on anything. You know good bad. Whatever type of advice it is. I think that's what people understand about them. And that's why like someone who's just starting up a startup versus somebody. Who is you know. Has one hundred million dollars start at both of those. Want to buy the nfc right for sure for sure And i think that is has customer bases. There are people who are buying and flipping these things. And that's what's interesting to me right like the fact that there are resales happening on these. These artwork is just fascinating. Yeah bro like this. Empathy l. elephant. I think it's a one on one with gold background. The thing went for seventy like the last time and it probably. I think it only sold for to all on his website. And somebody resold it for seventy like and it's still just like the same experiences. The current price though is like one ninety nine e. Oh yeah. It's a lot i mean. And that's like he basically is pre selling vecon tickets for like double triple the price. Which is hilarious. I mean well the thing is is. You can't get into econ now without a visa. In right i don't know. I mean maybe i mean i would. I think he's heavily incentivized to basically say if you don't have an in a gary v friends and if t you can't vecon just because that think that raises the value of a friend and a t for sure i mean what all these executives gonna do. They gotta get. They gotta get meta masks. Well that was my next question. See like okay. So let's say let's let's just let's just i mean gary we're we're we're speculating here. So if you're listening you actually know what the actual status as please reach out to me. Or anyone at the podcast. And just like. I'd want an. I want to know what's actually going to happen. We'll do some research to but you make a great point. Let's say i run a company. I've got thirty employees. I wanna send fifteen employees to you. Know vecon how the hell do i give fifteen at a mask or do i. One account put all their theory may not account in just by the nf ts in company. Assets the people don't have it so then people have like screen shots of the company is and who they are like. There's just a lot here that i think needs to be kinda determined as it relates to a the practicality of 'cause if it's just a one on one thing cool but like the business the business sales like does it make sense for you to buy fifteen e friends at various prices on the black market was like well. I mean put it this way. I guess wallets aside. Basically you know. That's kind of the conundrum about an access based token right is like if you don't hold it you don't get access so i guess that executive could in theory just by fifteen and then gift him to all the people right and then it's a company expense but at the same time then all those employees have to have madame asks now. What if what. What if one of them clicks a fishing link and now they lost. You know like there is a lot of liability you know. I mean we're over. Thinking maybe like gary mazing good-faith who'd be like. Hey you know you got it. We'll we'll figure it out a way. I feel like these are things that he's he's probably has really good ideas around for sure nonetheless. I mean like the projects got great distribution. He's got you know over ten thousand of them he's sold and there are nearly five thousand owners right so like in when you say ten thousand sold. I think what's more fascinating to me on the v. Friends concept is when i look at the open sea. The volume here is is ridiculous. I think what they're passing. Looks like over. Fifty million transactions. If you do the eighth conversion i know the. The price fluctuates. but fifteen million. You mean l. It's not more than at seven point. Six thousand is theory is where it's at right now so times to jeeze that'd be about fifteen male. Maybe yeah i mean but that's also resales like doesn't get all of that. So i i guess. The project has generated fifteen mill and leases. At least. That's what we see on this. I mean just in transaction volume the transaction volume. Here is crazy. Yeah so he's he's done a great job for himself. I think he's lifted the veil on what you can do with access and i think it's also interesting that he didn't just do it for one year right like if you buy this you get it for the next you get that access for the next three years. Whoever holds it so like that. He's basically saying. Hey i'm committed to this and that's important right. So yeah i think like you want to move onto the medicare because i i mean. I don't want dishes to the friends podcast. V v. for instance. He's very fascinating bursar for those. That don't know what the medic as. I just found out about it not too long ago and decided to grab a medic. He myself and you know. I don't know everything about this just yet. Because it's it's there's a lot here. But if i were to summit up it's it's the marketing pitches. It's one key to rule them all right. That's what they that's what they say. Yeah it's the key to the metaverse. That's what it's called. I mean like. I mean okay. What is the key to the metaverse really mean right like that's the thing is like when i was asking you cowdrey. I was like yeah like you know. Is this medicaid thing. would you buy one. Which is the key metaverse. And i'm like oh what does that mean. And so for those. That don't know the meta key. Is this whole concept where you have a key. And that that that that key is an nfc that pays you. Dividends which either unlocks access to like their discord. They do different airdrops. They have an upcoming blog. They have courses education how to sell. Nf better stuff like that. Yeah a the whole concept here. Is you know they're going to be allowing people to participate based on who holds the key in like it's still very new because they haven't even they don't even know exactly everything they're going to build with the medication. They've kept it vague. And i think that's a good way to do it. Because they say on their website like hundreds of experiences to come in the future right. And i think if we talk about their track record already. They're doing some some damn good collaborations with other a projects out there. Which i think that is what. That's why god on my radar because they've done like just yesterday. They did this Partnership with cyber kong yeah. Cyber kong's dissenter land sodium space the sandbox tons of already omnium space sodium. Space sounds kinda hard. i think. Mcdonald's should start that y'all know me my pronunciation annunciation it. sometimes it. I sure it gets in front of me. But it's funny because we record this live and people now like we don't. We don't do too much post editing. No yeah what you. What you hear is us clearly. These are our true thoughts. The courses in education thing is is interesting to me. you know. i'm really big on. nfc education. And you know. I think people should learn how to create buy and sell not. Because they're going to be you know an instrumental part of our future if they keep going the way that they're going and you know the meta key really is is giving you a little bit of of the future a little bit of the now in the why am i do love the element of it just being very interoperable I'm gonna look into it's more. I just got plugged in god. I got one of the thirty addition keys. And i'm just excited to learn more about this. I think it can really cool way for brands to get involved too with. Nfc's because you know it's a simple entry way for you to get exposure to the entire industry or the people that hold these keys and you know it's a marketing vessel to because you know that medicaid you brand the more partnerships they do the more transactions they have the war experiences they crea it becomes a premium network for sure. Yeah and i think talking about the network. there's one point four thousand fourteen hundred key owners so there's fourteen hundred people who are dedicated like they've already spent money on the medicare they're getting airdrops. They are getting new experiences. Like those are engaged people who like okay. Let's say you know. Gatorade wants to enter an fte space. They can instead of them launching their own thing they can go to medicare and be like. Hey we want to drop new flavors of gatorade. We wanna come to you because we're gonna already sell or we're not necessarily going to sell fourteen hundred but we're gonna gift fourteen hundred instantly so now they already have their nfc's and fourteen hundred different wallets that can now be you know put together on the on the resale market and it gets you exposure without having to do the heavy lifting so just the network building with the mickey angle that is what's going to kind of proved to be the best part of this project. Yeah and i think the interoperability their right like he's going to be key so being able to plug in too many projects in just kind of having one standard the role in wall. That's going to be how we really do. See the future of web three and some of these technology just kind of evolved. Because everybody's working on the same accord and I don't think that this will be the only play like this. I think there is also a massive opportunity. If you're creating an access base enough t- you're trying to create you know a a centralized platform. I think that there could be like a meta artist right. I think that already should have their own version of the medicaid in so that way. If you're making art in the nf not you know. There should be tips on how to do it you know. What's the software to star if you're an illustrator versus three creator versus you know photographer and i think they're like you know the meta key represents you know what the metaverse could be but you could take this medical model. Apply to really anything where there's going to be. A lot of people at various levels like photography can have its own medicate riley the photography key and for all photographers that want to create enough tease. Or selling enough tease. You can pass that information along and also create exclusive events in in cool things related to that for sure fashion. This is a good way for fashion. East 'as in fashion Creative people that are just into the fashion world. I think this is a platform to where like you know. This is a play for her. And it's pay to play too. You know like you gotta buy key to be in you know. It's not just like open to the public. Hopefully serious people who wanna put up a little bit of east to to to happen and hear what's going on there And that should in theory some of the bs. But i think you you leave it. Opens people can see you know what you're talking about when you want to get into the meat you. It's you leave certain things only available to the actual keyholders for sure for sure. I think if you're creating access but he's t you know what would you create. Well it's a great question. I've actually thought a little bit about it. After after i saw the medici i was like man. This is really really cool idea. I got kind of inspired bear with me here. I got two ideas clown me. If you think it's bad ideas the first one. Like i said bear with me but i think you can kind of create like we're gonna take a celebrity. We're gonna take streamer. Somebody who is like already has some exposure right. They already have people who watch them for three four hours on on a on a daily basis like let's take a gaming streamer or somebody who's just a personality streamer. Who already gets that attention. What we're going to create with this access based. Nfc is kind of like the truman show where you get to watch that person twenty four hours a day so that person you know you get to buy. Let's say there's ten ten meta key like things that you that you create ten access based nfc's to the streamer and it gets what that does is it gives you access to a stream that at all times of the day you can click through. They have four different cameras a car camera. They have an office camera. They have a home camera. And you get to a tune into this person whenever you really want to and this is interesting in the fact that people already do this right like they set a time. They set aside time every night to go and watch somebody do something online. You're not participating at all. You just watch them so we're already like voyeurs. In that sense. This just takes it to the next level for people who are the ultra fans right the people who wanna watch them at any time of the day and it's a little bit weird when they when they go to sleep but i'm sure there are people who would want to watch somebody go to sleep and obviously you do this with the streamers consent right. This is somebody that would want to do this. And it can get a little bit dark you know maybe it it goes down to the the pornography side of things but i think that this could totally be a hit from the sense of like. I want access to this person's daily life at all times. Because i'm so bored and i just want to see what they're up to. Now i think the i don't know if you've ever watched twitch in twenty four hours streams. I have seen him a couple of times. I get pretty bored. Pretty quickly though. Yes so there's like if you ever google like just like twenty four hour tweets. Watch me sleep and you'll see tons of videos where it's like. I fell asleep during my twenty four hour stream. How a stream for twenty four hours you know fell asleep while live streaming is actually one of those things where like people there are. There is an audience for this when they wake up. There's people that are watching them back blah and like you know it sounds crazy but i think you're right. The habits are there. And i think the loop even though like mad stalker ish. It's dark. I think it's one of those things. Where if you figure out the right way to play it it can be cool like either way i would tweak it. A little bit is i would probably have A group like a collective and like the collective could be hype house. Take them tick talkers or some shit. Yeah like that. Or i was thinking even like a co working space right Let's say i've got a group and you know we were a part one hundred state way back when and like you know if one hundred state how you know alive. Room and craters were incentivized to create their to kind of showcase. The or like you know where there it's like you know who's god like people would tune in and be like who's in tonight for sure and you could actually create a pre schedule in a sentence like every day. You kinda post like that morning like. Hey who's going to be here. In what times i kind of get to pick and choose and you get to see like oh you'll you'll see analytics like who's tune in the most at noon or tuning in the most at three. Who are they wanting to watch. Obviously i want to try this concept out a little bit. I think i'm going to create you know my next. Nafta like on a livestream basis. Just see you know what the tight see. How it differs. Because i think if you're right. They're just watching. And i check in the comments when i check in the comments but like the whole premise is like hey watch me and like you know you get a chance to just see how creating and get a look that creative a process that could be. That could be quite interesting. Cool so the truman show meets. Nfc's made a might actually be ahead. You want to hear the second idea. Yeah which you got. Cool the second one a little bit. Different surprise travel club basically. It's an access token where if you hold that token bi yearly or bimonthly whatever. They pre plan a trip for you. They do it everything that you know. They take care of all the details. So it's very much just like a travel agency in that sense except the difference here is like you can have different. Theme tokens right. So like there's an adventure Surprise travel club token. There's the leisure one. There's a historical one and so like each of these different themes preplanned trips for you around that theme so if you're somebody who loves adventure who wants to like skydive who wants to like go. Climb the top of mount everest. They're going to do you know you're going to want to buy that one over the historical one where you're going to go and see museums. You're going to see the great wall. You're going to go and see more historical things right. So you get theme. The tokens in different ways for the surprise travel club. And the reason i wanted to build. This is because There are already companies that do this once called. Pack up and go. We've been watching them for a long time. And basically if you are a part of the service it's completely hands off. You sign up. And i think at couple intervals throughout the year. You just pack up and they send you a ticket and they fly you somewhere and they have that whole trip planned out for you so people already do the stuff. I think at the same token to like the trips could roll over so like each has their own ledger. Where it's like okay. Did use this trip this month or did you not and so it continues to roll over and eventually over time like if somebody owns this. And they totally forgot her. They got so busy that they couldn't redeem any of these trips. Guess what now. This adventure token has six trips. That are locked up now. On the resale market that has more value because there are already like a bigger there's more trips to redeem their. That makes sense. Yeah i follow it a follow it. I think you know this is one of those things where complexity is the enemy of execution. Like if i were you know going into this. I think there'd be two two approaches. If you're a major airline and you're testing crypto or you want to do a spin off in just see kinda you know. What percentage of your audience's crypto savvy. I think you kind kinda launch something like david you have like kinda the know. How the the will you've got already points. You can kind of create you know some type of a bridge between already existing airline miles and you know you're you're surprised travel club for nf teas but the startup approach to say you're person in your bedroom where you just kind of sitting at the desk thinking about your next idea. If i were to go this route. I think i would definitely take the pack up and go approach. I don't know if i would let trips rollover just because again that complexity might y- on the first versions. It might be really hard to just kinda know if this tokens being used or like. You know the unlocking thing. Like i bought an intimate t the other day. You're not supposed to physical thing. I think someone already kind of got it. So i think they like body took the physical thing away resulted in like. Do you know my analysis on the chain. I thought it was like a brand new joint and it is what it is but you know. That's that's one thing that i'd say is like on the rollover. I think that there should be some type of like you know if this. Nfc's already what you're buying on the resale literally putting the meta data if you buy on the resale blind for the collectible your you know you know the only the i only the first wallid is sold to has access to Say adventure activity blah blah blah. Okay yeah i can take those I could take those critiques by dvd. Used if you still by dvd's some people don't they had those digital codes inside You're never looking at the the digital code inside us. Dvd thinking that was really a digital true. Yeah that it's gone. It's exactly so that's the like if it's they're great but like if the code doesn't work like i bought this used if i wanted the digital kodo work i'd buy it new and that's that's how i look at it. I think on this episode of access based nfc's with nfc cutesy. We definitely covered a lot right. Like when i think about some of your ideas year the truman show i think streaming. Nf nfc's is something. I really get excited by travel clubs in general and just seeing how that That intersection between travel enough. Tease crypto. there's going to be something. There's a lot of people that have been inside the house for almost two years and they really haven't got a chance to get out and do that trip in. We're starting to see people to spend money on things that you know mean a lot lot to them. You know you're seeing you know. Just exuberant purchases being made more easily and the economy you know bounce back but largely because i think people were you know saving up and they wanna when when soon as we could get back out we can go buy something so. I think there's a lot of things there. The travel club that make a lot of sense is just kind of figuring out how to package it and get the momentum at the right timing so that you know you could really of get some good input and feedback. But you're taking you know something. I is traditionally all in the physical world and bringing it to the digital world in a way that you know. I think they could. Converse is not the metaverse so ryan. I do have to go on. Fortunately i've got a call coming in right now but this was a good episode. I i'm excited. I'm excited to see who who copies the medicare and how they do it because inherently there's going to be copycats. I've been looking. I haven't seen many other access. Based tokens at at least pop up on google search or on open sea so broken inevitable. Like oh yeah. Even the medicare is learning. I think right. Now the thing about the medicare is they'll probably create if a standard or framework to copy their project. Right like that's one thing. I did love about art blocks As you know if you look at some of their projects they're helping artists create generative the generally those gains a generative art based projects. In like if you wanna know how they make kinda not easy but they make a way to learn. And that's like if you if you have the first mover advantage in any of these things. It does not bode well for you to just kinda hold not reveal kind of the work that you're learning and your insights and of course you keep your secret sauce. Your secret sauce. But you know a lot of stuff is on the blockchain anyway so people are gonna forget that man. I appreciate you making time in check in for the people that want to learn more about the things that we talked about you can visit. Nfc qt dot com again. that's enough t- t dot com and all of the insights in the things that we've kind of covered here. Show up in some capacity on that site

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Finding Closure and Getting Yourself Complete

Unfuck Nation with Gary John Bishop

40:31 min | 11 months ago

Finding Closure and Getting Yourself Complete

"Turn of your. This Nation. Host. John. All right. All right. All right. This is Gary. John Bishop Your House. Welcome to unfunded nation. We got a great great great show for you today. Also you know is we've had our previous episodes and we will have on just all of episodes. We're going to take some questions from the listeners and followers online and the other kind of questions that not only empowered the people who have the questions, but empower you in for you to listen to those questions from the context of your own life. As usual if you want to participate in future shows, you can contact us at connect at Gary John Bishop and you can also call us. I'm still blown away by the whole idea can fucking call us anyway, six, four, six, four, five, zero, three, two, zero, three. You can leave a comment. You can leave a question you can leave some you know thing you got going on your life some drama, some upset some quandary, some conundrum, any one of a number of things that you want to bring to the nation. And we can not only answer for you but empower you with because ultimately, that's the whole idea of unfunny nation. It's to empower the nation. Today's topic what I wanted to really get and to this is something that's been ongoing for quite some time and it's something that a lot of people. Ask me about and they use a very specific word when asking me about the subject. And the weren't they uses closure. How do I get closure right raise your hand. If you'd like to get some closure with something or someone keep your hand on the steering wheel if you had in the car but it's such can nebulous subject seems seems like it's so vague. And it can relies on promotions or moods, and very often by the way, you'll notice if you're someone who's struggling with us idea of closure that what you really struggling with is the other person are actually the other person to say of do something I know you're the first thing I want you to get. What if it's not about closure for year. What. If like this thing exists like an open wound in your life? So that you get to explain the life or the situation that you have. You see what if this is really more about whatever your hanging onto. Now. I'll tell you why I say that before you get your Metro Center to us. That he's in West. Say That is because I'm actually I'd situations where somebody has said well, I just wanted to say, sorry, right and so the other person says it. And, then I says, you didn't mean it. So then. So I thought you just WanNa be fucking say so all right well, no, no, the out Amina. Sorry with meaning. and. That doesn't ring the bell that never quite does it the resentment stays like I. Know you've said Saudi knots okay and accepted apology but I'm gonNA. fucking. Hold against you forever right. That's a good example of how you can see like what you think are what you're calling closure. All it's actually. That you're continuing to hang on is something from your past something that somebody said. Something that someone did. Some situation that didn't go your way something never turned out the way you thought it should. And that since that time you have held onto that. And we talked about on one of the previous APSOS we talked about her. I hate using this word too much but it really is like an addiction. To make an other people wrong to make yourself right. It's not be an right like being correct is more like being right emotionally right like indignant. Self. Righteous. Egotistical. Even now I know there's plenty of less. Right her dillon with things that they think are very, very painful. Elements that are that are very, very painful and they can't quite hear themselves and this notion of closure the way I'm creating it with you. But I want you to know everything that I've said thus far completely applies steal. I will also look. I know a lot of you out there have dealt with some pretty shitty things. And I know like some of those things were pretty damn terrible. And I'm holding you to the same stand. Over the years I've been able to get myself in a place where I have a tremendous amount of compassion for people. And what the had to deal with. But I have zero intention of indulgent. Account won't indulge your thing. I go compassion for what you're dealing with. My heart goes out Teo. I'm just not well when jumping to the swamp with you. I'm not going in. I'm going to stand here on the outside of the swamp and talk to you until you come up and then when you're at a swamp, you believe well. Thanks for standing firm you're something. So I don't give people sympathy and it's not because I don't feel that people don't deserve sympathy I think sympathy. Tens t just embolden. And thicken the drama. And I'm not interested in doing to us in shaking your free and that's the. So I gotTA start as. What would it look like for you to have closure? Words. What would it look like for you to be complete with US thing in your life I'm GonNa say complete. I mean like for you it really is over. Now. For those of you that like I do that all the time this is over, you're not resentful fucker and you just need times our little occasions when you get reminded of your own resentment. When you've truly lacked with something when something's complete for you. It's not only like you have nothing going on at that thing you're completely at peace weth. And of some of you. That have had the resentment for so long completely. Okay with your resentment. And so you think I'm talking to you when I say you're okay with it. I'm not talking about your resentment. Howdy I know it's a resentment. Because it's still comes up from time to time, and then you just kinda stuff it done. So. Human beings are way bad or stuff and shutdown and getting a complete. So I'm going to give an example of some. A long longtime ago, and it was such a powerful thing for me somebody who's coach people to see somebody through these spaces right Whenever. You're out to free yourself up from something. Okay. Your job is freedom and that means freedom on whatever turns you need to free yourself. There's an awful lot of people in this world who say they feed freedom, but it's with conditions. Like I want freedom but I'm not going to let go I had clients like that like. I want freedom but don't taught him about old relationship I'm because fuck them. My usual onset those people will fuck you you and I are going to talk. I'm not going to do your life and bets guy. So if you keep in mind for yourself, freedom is the outcome that you're really after and you've really got started open yourself up to the idea of freedom of anti cost is not conditional freedom. Is Freedom of anti cost, feed them from incompletion freedom from resentment. Actual closure, and so I'm going to give you this example an example was. Somebody. Who had this gonNA very strained relationship with apparent and their childhood. And as an adult, they can struck on in life they can moved on God on the life and they were very much content with accomplishments but not content what their experience of the life like they'd never been able to kind of get a sense of satisfaction, just a settled sense of fulfillment. And when I pointed to think it's incompletion you have your your father. And they said, well I don't think it's that because I haven't spoken to him in eighteen years of now intention a speak and tell them. I don't bear how many L. Well but you know he wasn't asked for me when I was a kid and you know Blah Blah Blah Blah. And I said, yeah, that's an incompletion and you can hear the incompletion because of like the milestone that it was in the life. So I said no, you gotta get this complete and they said, well, I. Don't even know where he is I. Don't WanNa Talk to on. The. Best Way to get complete talked to the fucking person. Okay and I know some ready clucking chicken wings at that. But that's just how fucking outline complainant may for that right? That's just how it as the rain is wet. That's how it has already. So how it as if you WANNA get complete talked to the person don't fuck impacts them send an email or some I mean talk to him. But there are other ways, right. So before you start combusting, there are other ways to this person. I said look. Look I kick your childhood and for you listen to this right now, look the end completion of the lack of closure that you have. And I want you to, Luca all the ways they can I turn yourself towards that to explain some way that you life is currently going. How you are a relationship right now, you'll lack of action. Audio explain you lack of forgiveness. Look all the way he's in your wife or your pointed to that thing as the cause. And you might do at Lake can a flippant wait just a moment like oh? Yeah. Well, that's just the way I was raised. That is just how I turned out. Well, you'd be this way to- If your dad that abandoned you. Don't know how to do this because my father did that. I'M NOT GONNA. Call it an excuse, right because the tricky thing we excuses is when you have them, it doesn't seem like yours at excuses. For you this is like. Way More important and penetrative than just some frivolous excuse, right? But when I had this person say look have you presented your father May said yeah presented to said along viewers end she said eighteen years. I said how is that resentment played a new life? She said well, become very independent, very hard, working very driven, and if I'm going to be honest I struggle an intimate relationships because I'm just not going to give anybody the opportunity to do that again. And so asked this question I said WHO's to blame for that. And she said. Hem. Now see it. Totally makes sense to me right it does make sense if you think the logic of it makes sense. So said well, I'm not going to ask you to forgive him for what he did even though you probably should because it will set you free right I'm going to ask you to seek heads forgiveness for blaming him for all of your life sense that. Because you haven't even spoken to gain eighteen years and you're still fucking throwing him under the bus. Getting a little tired ner. and. By the way every time you do it just for those of you that might be finding yourself choking on this fucking podcast is talking. Every time you throw that person or that situation under the bus you get no closure every time you do it, you emboldened the past. And every time you do it, you repeat the mistakes the or trying to get away from. Said you should write a letter. She said I don't want to talk to them I said I don't fucking care just him a letter and then the ladder. I want you to ask for forgiveness for what you've done. And declared that you're no longer wealthy do that you? No longer well, only throw him under the bus for youth turned out. Big, act of courage right there and then but you'll also get this large group of people who say, well, why should I? Fuck Shit I do that. I say because you're. Stuck. and. That's when he start to think about the things they can do. That's gotTa be another way. I. Cannot keep my resentment and be free and fucking can't. What I'm giving you here by is like the shore fire quickly for closure. See we thank completion requires the other person to do something to close the circle. Not So. It requires you. To handle yourself. To close circle. To actually do what you need to do. To, say, you need to say to yourself that would have you declared of this thing complete for you. Like that you are no longer going to turn to it to explain. Or justify the life you have. Getting complete getting closure for yourself as a fucking brilliant skelter develop. You'll have to use that skill manny, manny, manny, manny types, but to give you a little insight to that example that I gave you an not person was completely has at ten to my outlet or they'd find out where the father of lemon. There were never gone the latter and then sometime later they go by me says a fucking my older. and Go back to me. And he apologized. And she said I'm not really open to having a relationship with them and she said, but the funny thing was like has apologized and doesn't make any difference it was like I had already completed for myself and what I golf for myself was that when he apologized he was again complete for himself. He was to bring completion to it for him. And she really got like when she stepped out that that a- give him an opportunity. I will add s though. She wasn't looking for that. A lot of people will look for completion. What they're really doing is sitting there waiting for the other person do something that's bullshit that's manipulation and strategy we don't do that. It's about handling you in your shit for you to get complete and move on. Look. You can take us to whatever fucking Bang you WanNa, take us life is a series of getting complete the past and creating the future. You can do that as daily practice like getting complete with whatever didn't work out for you in a day. At Ni-. Acknowledging whatever you need to acknowledge, take responsibility for whatever you need to take responsibility for an incentive yourself up for the future. You can do an microcosm and let away like that. You can do in a massive way. But the better you build up muscle for being somebody who knows hud release yourself from something is ultimately that's about releasing yourself from something. Blaming. Blaming anybody anything blaming yourself will never bring you peace of mind. It will bring you temporary relief. You'll get off on high of being right but you'll never be fulfilled or satisfied. You'll never have peace of mind. Letting go begins with the idea. That your take responsibility for who you are and what you've done. Not like my par- which a fucking hate that phrase just take responsibility for who you are and what you've done. You'll get a lot of freedom. All, right. We're going to go and take I break less than two awesome sponsors of the show. Again if you WANNA contact is that the show connect a Gary? John Bishop or call us six, four, six, four, five, zero, three, two, zero, three we'll be back in a minute. Okay. You welcome back. Thank you for your patients. That's episode is all about closure or as I like to call getting yourself complete. Closing Circle for yourself. Now, the one little piece that I want to add here. To complete not conversation from the first half of the show was what if I don't send the person the lead? What encouraged people that do believe it or no? Is Find yourself a safe little area outside and away from things and set fire to it and the moment assent fire through it. You're going to declare that you're no longer giving yourself the right to use whatever the not ladder to explain yourself. So, you're taking away your own right to use what's in not letter to explain myself or homo life's going. I'm taking that off the table. That item from your task. You're no longer gone included in the present and can no longer gone included in the present. Then it's no longer a part of your future. And that gets you a little closer until stuff that I like to talk about and really for me responsibility is free to. Blame, as in Freedom Sham isn't freedom guilt is not freedom. But responsibility by acknowledging that your hands on the wheel. And even though the choices that you have might be really difficult ones to take. They're still there. If. You have responsibility. All right. It's time for questions from the nation. And we're bringing in our producer Mr Stephen Miller to ask me some random questions that have been coming in a lot of questions. By the way, I've really been blown away by people Stephen and the way that there'd been how vulnerable and courageous and sharing the legs with us and that they to bring their real life situations to the nation I. Mean it's freaking awesome, right it's amazing. The fact that you've got this vulnerability out there that is what allows you to move forward I just WANNA. Say. Thank you again to everybody in the nation. This has been an amazing experience getting the chance to come through these questions and start giving Gary Samore ammunition to throw back at you. All right. What we start off with us we steven. So this week we've got a great question from a asks after a break up how do you put yourself back into the position that you're in in the beginning of the relationship in other words? How do you get her to love you again after fucking up? Great Question. This, people less than two right now have had experience right where they've done something or ship and has taken a turn. That are other people listen to this right now they've done stuff in a relationship and they're the only one that knows about it right now neither partnered does in now. I've got really fucking bad news for you. By your relationships are shown it's not the real deal. You can fake it as long as you on and you can die faking it and you can pretend it doesn't exist but it does a barrier there between you and not person that you will never get past. How do I know that? Because if the subject of whatever you've done ever comes up, you shut done. You, the shutdown, are you going like overload pretense mud or you're just kind of like Johnny get past that topic So that's bad news view, you great news for you as. That as a way of handling it. Have no relationship than fucking fake one and I'm really seedy. So but that like deadly serious about that. I'd rather have no relationship than a pretend one. I'd rather deal with the carnage of that. Then you waste my one shot at being a wife on a fucking lie. And I know that might be hard for some of you but that's just That's gravity. However people talk about trust. And how someone's actions I might say, well, you dead therefore I don't trust you. Therefore, you ruined the trust that I have for you and there's an element of truth the not right but I don't think you're GONNA get any power with that, right? So. If someone fronts installed from me. Right well, I I have the acknowledged that I put trust and not place that they acted the way they acted. It's that's the way they act. Now, I might then say, well, I'm the longer Wellin- to expose myself out again whenever you're wrong on. Can put all my stuff in closet lauck something right. Other people may say, well, why should I have to do that? Shouldn't that other person just get their shit together. Well Yeah, but then I'm throwing the responsibility for all my stuff to them like hopefully, you can manage your shit enough that you won't steal my stuff, right? But in in terms of this question in a relationship, you've fucked with the integrity of the relationship, whatever agreement both spoken and unspoken that you had with your partner you dead somethin' that went against that. The only thing you can do my friend. Rather than getting them to do something, this is about you. And you restoring who you are with. US person. Now I suspect you'll do again. My view us as you can get back on some routine and this will come up again and you'll do something like this again why? Because you have no relationship to your word? You don't treat what you've said to that person who you said you would be without person as something that you should on. And I can already tell you know the situation explains itself. You went we are feelings. You then owner what you said you went for something else. So you can go to that person. You can say, look I'm committed to this relationship and I'm committed to being an honorable person in this relationship. What does that mean? It means honoring who said I would be. That's what you've gotta hold yourself to. The only thing you can hope for is one. That they'll give you that opportunity. And to. They'll give you the space to prove yourself to yourself. Now prove yourself to them. Prove yourself to yourself. That in this situation, you can be an honorable man I know but this isn't be a man of honored like some kind of morality. League that makes you a good person or something. Now it just means the power with what you say. When say something you will fucking manage yourself to ensure the you live what you said. You don't just fucking say it and then yourself a couple of drinks in Skrela or. Well. You know my partner's being bent of an asshole recently. So fuck them and I'll do whatever. I want that works. This is something that's a thing online if you're. If you WANNA get out of a relationship ghetto. Ango fucker on. Okay at least have the fucking courage to do that. Don't like. Fuck around Concoct your story. Get indulged than not and then blame the other person for what you did. I just have the courage to say this isn't working for me. I'm getting. And if you WANNA go being around the relationship, go do that. Don't create your own little personal shit storm so that you can get under the fucking cover of darkness though it in daylight, straighten your back own yourself and he wanna get a handle the EMPA- but there's no getting that person back those only Yael, asking that person to give you the space to prove yourself. And then give that person the space to choose whether they want to be part of that and all. That's GONNA be up to them. Says it manipulation, and in the last little word, the warning will give this. Do not turn yourself and sight out to appease the other person. As a bad recipe won't work. All Right Steven. What else have we got from the nation? So Gary, I know you love the meat on the bones. So let me give you a bit of a back story here. So Gary. Over the last two years I feel like I've had to really dig deeper to understand myself I to take care of myself mentally from a toxic work environment I left and then to understand who I truly am I feel like I've got so much work done I understand how I work and who I am. But how do I prove justified others that my time spent working on myself was not only needed worth it. To others' May look like I've been unemployed for two years not knowing what to do with life or being lazy. I know that within me, this time isn't wasted. How do I show that or prove that to others as well? Yeah. The two parts going on right I think somewhere and now with you, she got really done till. I think you do feel as if the some element of you being lazy in the last couple of years. Why do I think that? Because if it wasn't whatever concerns other people have. Would seem weird. T you. Wouldn't ring your bell. That, they've got concerns the of just being fucking around or being lazy has rung, Your Bell because some wet over there with you you think that too. That's okay too like if I want to be lazy I'll just put behind up everybody just fucking leave me alone is going to be lazy. You know no problem though in that you're concerned the law for being judged and you can again hooked on this little thing. If somebody thinks I'm lazy that's up to them I. got to live my life the way that I thank you need to love it. If, you say you've spent two years of your life work and shed out for yourself. That's okay. By the way we died the nothing say while you're working your stuff out, you can't be still engaged with life. Right? You've can explain the last two years we always talk to work. Well, here's my answer. So fucking one. Sows half the fucking population. The population is an environment it doesn't work for that. You can a painting this picture of your like a victim to something I don't know whether that's what you're intending. gave me. But that's what's fallen out your mouth and that's what you need to start getting responsible for what you leaving people, wes. But even after all of that are even after all what I've just said he in a little bit of smack in the most tough love. Get Your Shit. Together. Get on the life. You say you've done this work, you understand yourself, and now you're more empowered than you were then then get on the wife. People will change their tune, but again, a spank. Going on and as you're feeling a little bit guilty because you fuck around and last couple of years for a bit here there there there. then. The one winning handle that it's tell the fucking truth to say to people you know what? Yeah I was going to be in Lazy. Yeah, I was GonNa fucking wrote and I did my shadow. So I'm going to empower myself and I'm going to recontact show is for myself and I'm saying all of that work for me. Ultimately comes down the same thing get yourself on the hook for the future stop bumping your gums about the past and get yourself on the Hawk for the future. That simple. All, I, think that tied that question of pretty well Stephen. What's the big question for the Wiki of what's the one you've golfing s we saw gary actually really stoked about this. We get to bring our first voicemail question this week and this voicemail question comes from Sarah. Hi Jerry, my name is Sarah Phinney. I. have been struggling alcoholism and had an one point in the two thousand had a few years of sobriety was A. still in any now, but I realized and going through is shape cycle. So then I feel bad when I relapse have to raise my hands and newcomer and I can't seem to pop myself out of what a shame cycle and so I guess my question is. Is the right way to go or you know how to be a member of a which I believe is really helpful without feeling like I've done something wrong by relaxing. People Blown me away and I'm not only moved by your courage. You would step up to the plate lake this and be so bold a given your question in the nation because there's a lot of people who might not be dealing me alcoholism but they get your world to get the world. Union. So then I'll kind of start off with a couple of things right. So the first thing is you do whatever works for you AA worked for you you should do that guy I'm not an expert and alcoholism. Fatah's understand does a lot of said there in? Those a lot of them are really fucking good at what they do. My father was an alcoholic. So I guess I have an experience it I I would never call myself an expert but why because all we really new one I was my dad. There was a certain can role that play demain life growing up, but I do want to get to like the AC- so affect, you'd haven't right. First of all, you call it your struggle. Okay. So if you call struggle, that's what it is, and really like people would think this is antics it's not even when you use the world struggle. It puts you in a world. You'd unemotional world of something called struggle whatever as uniquely for you, but it's not a particularly empowering experience. So the word that I always liked to use whatever people are dealing with them, life is start to rephrase says the challenge this is my challenge. and. So you know your way up and way more up for challenge than you are up for struggle. I challenge suggests that something on the other side of it? I struggled you sounds like get on the fucking water gasping for air stop using struggle. Sorry using the or challenge. You gotta be very intentional about the language you're using a describe your situation. That's the same for everyone. Now, you're somebody who's had an issue with alcoholism. Again. I'm I'm not a label Guy 'cause I'm not an expert in some of these fields SOMOS has done to us labels, but if I was to look at it behaviorally, right so then it would be that there are occasions in your life for your drink to the degree that it has a negative impact on your life. I think he'll find US pretty accurate and there's a Lotta Room there for you to Kenner see yourself in it. But. It definitely has a negative impact me like honey I know that. Well. That's when you started to do something about it. But you don't Randy setting yourself up for failure here. Okay. Tell you. And your mind you thank you shouldn't be doing this and your mind you think there shouldn't be some can a roller coaster in your mind you think you should have this thing at least under some kind of I don't want to call it control but the you're able to shape it better I I use the word control. Lashley because that's all force. But in your mind whether you realize not US thank that should be turning differently. How do I know that? Because every time, go into the meeting and you've had you've called a relapse you experienced Shane. Well given your challenge number. One. There exists the possibility of realize. Its potential. Could Happen Right. You've got to settle yourself the fuck down whatever challenges in in life, and obviously we're dealing Sarah's thing here. But if you're less than two and you're dealing with a big challenge right now at lives on a spectrum of potentialities. Like, it could go this way this way this way this way and lots of different outcomes. And whatever I'm doing here I'm exposed to all of these outcomes. So believe at all relapse is part of your child. And would be part of the deal. The shame is the shame of being seen by others to fail. Because again, somewhere in your mind, you think you shouldn't. You shouldn't be like this. Not I and I'm saying it's not like you should but it's kind of predictable you would. Whenever you go in it a space of again, I'm going to use your terminology relapse. If you go back to early Michelle, it's your opportunity to get complete. To set your foot forward from today. Now look I understand a lot of people say well, you can't use fucking keep doing. No, but you do that as many times as you need to win the a number of times, you don't get less and less and less and less and less that doesn't give you permission to go ahead and start won't fuck out just a little relapse myself. Now, because every time you experience yourself as wanting to go in that direction that you said, you wouldn't that's actually a big opportunity practice doing you said, you would. And I know you're up against the law you're up against this kind of magnetic fucking drawer to go down that path. and. This is for anybody WHO's challenged by some item like this in your life. You have the organizer life for you to when. You can't keep Putin yourself and possessions. What does a greater opportunity for the loss for you? And that means you need to move house change your friends, change your career you need to get to work on that you need to set yourself up for the went. And you need to keep setting yourself up for the win and you need to keep taking care of your circumstances to set yourself up for the one. That's critical. Don't test your fucking willpower some bullshit like that. There's no point to that. In other words, make it easier for yourself. Set yourself up for the win. The shame like I said, it's just an emotional reaction yet indulgent too much. Shame just a natural part of being a human being it doesn't mean anything about you. At one time or another everybody will experience a little bit of shame or a big better shame everybody experiences. That's part of being in a tribe can't be in a tribe and not experienced shame at some point because part of being in a tribe as people are watching. And I go to behave in a certain way. So, when you walk back into your meeting and I don't have any experienced these meeting some kind of going by what other people have told me about him but you have to go in there and declare yeah, this is day one for me. But the other thing I think if you wanna take the burden away, it's not day one again. It's only day one. This not day one again Kazakh just that cycle of Oh and last time I had a day one and I know because whatever they won you had the seventeenth of June that was the seventeenth of June Day One is not the fourteenth of October Day One. I WANNA say Zan proverb or something, but you can never stop in the same river twice. Seems like it's the same river, but it's not the same water. Everything's move the rocks grasses long gutter on the banks sons in a different spot trees of grown a little easier different fish in the Fisher were here yesterday. You can never stop in the same river twice. So it's day one. And there's nothing wrong with day one. You should take a lot of pride and day one. When I first started coaching people and I watched other people, coach people in all my going person's fucking Shit numb terrible. And I noticed that I would try go any situations. To Mimic that person that I was spiring to be. And the reality was dot coach was a ten out of ten coach and I was at one out of ten. And the person who is developing me said. What's your problem? And I said just look at the way their coach I wanted to do that. And they said, yeah one out of ten. Your job see the best fucking one outta ten that those ever been. And that's your job in day one, Sarah. fucking. Awesome Day One. And a fucking awesome Dato. And a fucking awesome day three. Victories are always in the present moment. You only have to be sober right now. It's not accumulation. And I know it seems like that like I'm forty two days sober. Now you're sober right now and right now and right now and right now, and you're always sober right now until you're not. and. It's the same with those of you that want to lose weight you only ever on a diet right now. You'll say I've been on a diet for six weeks. I know but it was a cumulation of now use. This is why it gets hard because people they all got another three weeks to go. I'm going to have to do this for the rest of my life. No you fucking down. You don't have to do it right now by the way, you're not even challenged all the time just challenge than moments of not. and. That's when it's your opportunity. The practice who you said you would be and that's when you take actions that are consistent with someone who so that's all you're doing. It's like I feel this way my body wants to go a certain wailing. I'm fucking Tanglin, I want to reach over there and do whatever that as drugs or alcohol whatever it is but I'm GonNa do this I want to take this action over here why? Because that's more consistent. With establishing myself is now in this very moment of time I'm taking a sober action doing sober thing don't sit and do nothing get up on your fucking feet and take an action is consistent with somebody who's committed to being sober. That's all I'm asking you to do when am I asking you to do it when you're most challenged. And you'll have moments days that are better than others. But put yourself in the kind of environments set your life up that supports what you're up. Don't put yourself environment and don't have your situation besides that threatens what you're up till. You don't have a muscle for that yet. So it was almost like you're cocooning yourself until that muscles. Good. But I acknowledge you for all that you're doing I think it's fucking brilliant where you're I'm going to tell you I. Think it's fucking brilliant what you're doing and your courage is you screaming at me? And so I'm fucking Rodeo. And I'm proud e- everybody at there who's taken themselves on way who's unwilling to accept what you ended up with? As I say to people I'm not expecting you to be perfect. But. I am expecting you to be fucking relentless. All right you guys, that's it for this week. Thank you for listening to UNFUSSY nation. Again, if you WANNA participate on the show connect Gary John Bishop you can email me you can also call us at six four, six, four, five, zero, three, two, zero, three, six, four, six, four, five, zero, three, two, zero, three, and also don't forget to write and review the podcast whatever you get podcast please write at review it and subscribe so you can get it dropped right into your appa right into your email inbox. 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Season 9 Episode 4: The Players Ball with Match.com founder Gary Kremen & David Kushner

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Season 9 Episode 4: The Players Ball with Match.com founder Gary Kremen & David Kushner

"The Dateable podcast is an insider's look into modern dating that the Huffington post calls one of the top ten podcast about love and sex. On each episode, we'll talk to real daters about. From sex parties to sex droughts, date fails a diaper fetishes and first moves to first loves. I'm your host Yue Xu, former dating coach turned dating sociologists. You also hear from my co host and producer Julie Krafchick as we explored this crazy dateable world. Hey everyone welcome to another episode of dateable a show all about modern dating. We're going to just take a jog down memory lane what does that assad and talk about the very beginnings of online dating and also online award the kind of evolution of love and sex when it comes to online we've got. Can we call you. The godfather of online dating as you recall up for is other than in a proper day for you but we've got gary credit on the phone he is fifty five years old lives in the bay area originally from chicago currently in a monogamous relationship he invented online dating specifically founded mashhad calm and was the first registrant of sex dot com why it's important to say first registrant. You'll find out a little bit because we also have dave dave kushner on the phone. He is fifty years old lives in new jersey originally from florida currently married and wrote the book the players ball which is a number one bestseller that tells the incredible incredible battle between the founder of match dot com who's gary and the comment who swindled him out of the websites sex dot com resulting in an all out war for control all for what still powers the internet today love sex and bitcoin. I talk to your bio david. I smell a sequel dave for set the scene for things. It's like back in the early nineties where the wild wild west of the internet as you describe it. <hes> you know in the early nineties. There were very few people online at the time and and certainly those that were online. Were not thinking about dating. I mean they were just thinking about like star trek in the grateful dead and like the chain you ronnie recipes and still certa considered e._s._p._n. Underground and something academic or wasn't the web as we know it today was just these bulletin board systems where you would just sort of call up on someone else's computer and see just taxed and it was the really wasn't the internet as we know it today at all let alone dating that is so foreign to like ninety nine percent of our listeners the life before the internet for you gary as a serial entrepreneur you saw that this was a massive community for capitalizing on love and sex so match dot com. How did you come up with this idea while you know you mentioned. Entrepreneurs diskette involved in things dan you're standing. I was doing a lot of dating back. <hes> i was spending a lot of time getting to the. I don't know if you remember this. The personals the newspaper in the newspapers you know you'd see him in the box specially alternative newspapers and wasn't a particularly satisfying. It is finding experience especially since it cost lad money has all you got was a couple of lines tax that bass. You know you'd see you would call a nine hundred number. People may or may not call you back and i had a vision mining was early email. Why can't we do pictures and video and audio and ask ah much longer profiles and that was my idea. It's can you elaborate more on the nine hundred number like what would happen when you called it so how it would work. It was crazy. You pay money right a couple lines. Cryptic grinds in the backer aleksei the alternative newspaper the san francisco a guardian no single jewish man looking for everything okay and the newspaper would charge you for that but in addition you'd call a nine hundred number in on the nine hundred number you'd leave a message passage and then you may or may not leave your phone number so it was really not a good way of doing this. How much was that. It was the per minute it could be three four dollars or minute. One of the things i notice is newspapers. Were making tons of money. In people who own newspapers were we're making tons of money and i didn't happening money. I noticed and i wanted to be like them so <hes> capitalism at work i mean i think it's hilarious that people complained about how hard it is to meet up with people on dating apps today when you had a call nine engine number and someone may or may not even respond and purely based on invoice alone at that time so i loved it in the book like i know david you wrote about like how gary actually could have had this idea from an an email <unk> gary <unk> talk about that a little more like wasn't it that like some <hes> female that was e mailing. You're curious what she actually looked like show. What happen apple was ahead on a little business worlds first open source software company but i you know i was trying to make money on the earlier net and ah one day we got a purchase order which you know someone wanted to by someone who is from a woman who at h._p. I mean i can't even remember candidate. First time. A woman meld will any one was just very gender nail environment and i turned to my business partner and said you know we got an order order here and he's like yeah. That's good. We can eat this weekend like the yeah but i wonder if she's cute. That was kinda. Combining gagging instead of being a business email could have been personally now and could have had information on the person in their. Let's say a profile so what did the early days of nash dot com look like very early. Days was was email based not even the web. I know that for sure. I looked at my very first match dot dot com email from two thousand four. I will share that with the group and a little bit but to four was still ten years after this 'blanche like i wanna see i'm curious like the early early days like one of the website even by the wives and even a website it was again you doing it through email this barrier orlando because the number of people on the actual lab you know you kinda monaghan so email based in you zoom gandhi idea of anonymous email and are you an email. Maybe a picture wow you would attach because you've got to remember people that did you phones or anything. People attach hatch photos back then you know it's funny you got mail. Attachments juice came out that back back and it took like five hours on dial up darla. Wow did you a detailed picture site you might is we'll come back the next day dave. I'm just curious where you on match dot com in the very early stages i already. I was already in a steady relationship that the future wife got a few never had the added didn't. I didn't have the chance so what were your thoughts. When you heard about something nothing like this to actually i remember when i first heard about. I want to write about it. I i remember that distinctly talking to an editor mine at one of the big ben's magazines. I very distinctly distinctly remember saying i really want to write about online dating and he said what's back so i mean you know it was still considered. Science-fiction inspection like people just didn't understand people barely under that's the thing it's sorta hard to understand now from this vantage point which is just seemed like ancient history but there was a time when no one knew what the internet was you know and gary created match. It was still pretty much. At that time. I mean most people didn't understand what this was about at all to ask them to kind of grasp this world online and that they could meet somebody there it. It was totally bizarre but once the media started picking up on it i mean you know area was fast right. I mean take super long for for people to defined it what i would say in addition to that or is the geeky media the wired magazine that up but mainstream you didn't and read it in. Let's say moat house was made for for a couple more years in the nineties so people were more intrigued by the technology and not so much that you could actually use to find love your life. It's still probably even though it took forever to dial up is probably still more efficient than those nine hundred numbers yeah and did you charge people from early stage or was free to start the beginning okay so david. Did we establish you weren't on match but it was i as an intrepid <hes> young journalists i had to take my research right find out what was happening there but yeah i mean it's it's like with sex dot com in chapter in the book where i talk about the there's a very very long established history of pornography driving the adoption of new technology in <unk> back it continues today and i think in the future with virtual reality augmented reality you know usually sex in gaming seems to drive most everything so oh it followed that when people were first venturing into this new world online a lot of award guys early on and a lot of guys that computers were interested russian seeing we're naked pictures so <hes> in the first thing they would try would be sex dot com. It's a universal value of that. Gary can talk about what that domain meant <hes> you know dollars and cents but the value was that anyone around the world would probably sit down type that word you know even though the technology wasn't so oh advance that you would see streaming and video on all of that whatever you can see on there people who want even if it was just some pictures like what was actually pouring like back then. I'm like what were you saying. I wanna know like those nine hundred number. You know early on it's just talks when there were no pictures detour doing what was called ascii are which was kind of like advanced emoticons that you would type characters <music> on the screen that far back enough it would make a picture of two naked people or something like that and then <hes> with scanners people would scan photos from in a porn magazines and put them online what was appealing a lot of people was privacy of it and that there was nothing to hide. You know you just turn off your computer or whatever you were yet was gone. You didn't have to worry about like hiding magazine under your mattress. That's kind of a simple thing that is actually grew to be a pretty big deal this world that was on on the other side of the screen the fact that you could turn it on and turn it off and there were traces of it and it would just evaporate was radical. I think it was more radical than anybody. Anybody realized at the time and certainly that would manifest later on just with all of the online communities and just would message boards and how you know how people would behave even that they'll i mean i was definitely too young for porn and dating in the nineties but i do remember the rooms are the chat rooms got really a heated he did i removing some ascii are in the chat room. Oh you do remember ask naidoo googling it now and i'm like this is i'm remembering things now remembering years i mean there's some really sophisticated. There's some very sophisticated. Ask you are are out there. I thought it was time into this julie. I'm we'll have to link to this one but real. It looks like a real photo yeah. It's basically for solicitors. It's like a guy fucking girl from behind but it's like it's all shadow. Lines actually gonna come back. After after this episode historic internet porn wait till the hipster is getting their hands. Oh yeah sending over these cafes through there is a kind of thing. That's a great idea. Someone someone needs to get on a gary gary back back. Bring about great company that i started before match when rag at the purchase order we used to sell those lie it wasn't you know kind of the adult old stack pictures lions and stuff but they would always be like one or two pictures of farah fawcett or something like that made him characters that let's stop wildly sold ascii art all my i had this <unk>. This company remember very early. <hes> we'd sell forty gordy <unk> programming aids okay forty programming aids for ninety nine dollars open source software and then we would have like art yet some free arts along with it but the are would be like pictures of farah fawcett. Wow that's a good example but going back to sex sex dot com what happened. Let's talk about like rocks of the story here. The whole book is basically about gary fighting against a stephen cohen for the rights to the domain main gary. Did you even want to manage dot com. What did well the the context of the whole story was. A registered egistered more than just the match dot com. I had a bigger vision kind of going back to the newspapers. Which is all these people who own. You probably don't remember this. One of the billionaires brilliant or families were people who own newspapers and media little bit different today. Battling chandler's handlers and other families had these great monopolies because own newspapers and how newspapers made most of their money was on classified advertising and my thought was why don't i be the online classifieds delivered in fact the parent company for match dot com was online online classifieds inc because i had this vision that so i registered the domain names bobbing classified advertising jobs dot com auto property dot com everything in the back you would see because i was gonna do it good for match dot com for the others i talked to. I went out to talk on these papers at tom about his vision and they pretty much uniformly lacked in my face. Oh these papers have been around for a hundred years ears. You're gonna be around for another hundred years now. His <hes> believe that strongly an i answer the actor got. I registered sucks dot com. Could you know they had the personal ads. Wait a little bit of sex in them. So i registered sex dot com os just one of the names so you wanna gonna be the the inventor of fucking and sucking online as stephen cohen called himself from your book to quote i didn't i didn't have the vision amusing pretty good with social trends but i did miss the value of porn lacey that my bad yeah and i would say dot dot com is poorly managed today. It's just all fees. You're just weird. It's actually really weird because to to meet people have asked me that after the book came out about what it's like now on. I said the same thing. It kind of reminds me of that restaurant. That's in the strip mall in your neighborhood. That always is doomed. You know what i mean like no matter what they put in there. It doesn't do well so it's it is kind of weird that nobody's ever enable to capitalize. It's such a waste of a great domain name but it transformed internet history as we all have seen from this book and just everything there. I guess like david what made this story so interesting. They had to write about it. You know i mean. I think that it's just it's a it's a wild story and the i mean what the lengths to gary had to go to to try to get this site back. Were insane and beyond anything you could imagine i mean going starting in silicon valley in heading down into like you know ending up at a shrimp rim farm <hes> in mexico and so there was all of that but at the same time you know you had a really interesting way of looking at the rise of the internet you know in a in a manner that to me was for mainstream audience would be contrary and just surprising using you know because i think that most people when they think of the story of pewter age they think of apple and they think facebook but they don't really think about these. You know what i call. The wild west years when the rules were just being worked out for anyone. Who's not familiar with the story philipson on who steven cohen is then. How does he play into the story jerry. You want to even show your as rock hill vine. Stephen even coun- was a. Maybe a criminal genius. Five time convicted alan things like bankruptcy fraud obstruction of justice making false statements statements under oath naming fake tape for john. Alias is yeah all by gal. That's funny. Donald trump dot com yang hang it all makes sense why sydney's worsens now <hes> and that he was always obsessed with that iran a swinger club in fact who's arrested for running a swinging club in orange county anti-god of off of it by the tech being on lawyer coordinate convincing a jury that since he wasn't making any money on it he really wasn't really wasn't a bronco so clearly a smart person he was the inventor fucking and sucking online ha. I just love it. I can't say yes well. The you know that that was stephen what happened in the fact that he didn't the quote the judge the fact that he didn't own the name really didn't mean anything to a person like him. He reaches get it one of his specialties. It was kind of stealing people's property stealing people's stuff not with gone but with a pen was he was a forger among other things so he he convinced the registration kind of like the someone there that is not mine one. I complained about it. He was able to convince convinced. You better not domain name back him. It's mine and that's why i had a good court on the whole thing and going back to match dot com gary what happened to it what happened to a your relationship with matt dot com so when when finally yet the product launch the company turned out actually pretty successful <hes> including gays regret at two to three percent day which is is no laughing matter in business were came the passes. I wanted mandates to naturist assist long-term dating but let's say short-term dating and more inclusiveness l._g._b._t. That scraped out the people who put up the the money in the beginning and unfortunately it was the time she with the gold made the rules linked change today a little bit so <hes> we did a lot of conflict over that and the end eventually with the gold one and i left. The company said they didn't want a service l._g. Cheap member. I guess right that's right. I guess they're logic would be while we have. Investors will not too far out and dating that god what could that lead to. Maybe i am taking away armani not giving us any money in the future and they said out we're not doing it and i said this is how you're gonna make money and i'm in charge. What at the end of the day were in charge of that. It was <hes> so in terms of targeting that wasn't the initial intention but also in terms of functionality right that people who were not straight couldn't actually use match dot com tom that correct oh i put it on there and they they said take it off and i said good for you. Yeah now is good for me. It just probably cost a couple of hundred million dollars but whatever you know <hes> and then you went out and then you went in bog grinder dot com. Yes tell that's okay so i guess it both of your opinions. What's changed the most about online dating in the past. What is it twenty years my doing math <unk> at least twenty years. Yeah i would say mobile mobile location bates. It is definitely some of the bigger changes you know. You can find someone ten minutes away from you. You can find a date down the street right now. They're in that. I think that's a big it just seems to be a faster environment so before even online dating with like the one eight hundred numbers and the classified ads blizzard stigma around because there's so much stigma when match dot com came out. It's time to take a quick break so we can tell you about the latest service. We have been building over here dateable. We've created a platform to connect you with vetted experts from our network to help with everything from coaching with dating dating profile reviews and even ways to get real real feedback about your dating style sessions typically run from thirty minutes to an hour and can all be done via skype or google hangouts so you can be anywhere listeners happen sherry how worthwhile their sessions have been with comments about how easy the coaches are to talk to how they have provided a new perspective and how they have created actionable ways to inspire fire change to meet the coaches and book your session today visit dateable podcast dot com slash coaching now back to the so before even online dating with like like the one nine hundred numbers and the classified ads blizzard stigma around because there's so much stigma when match dot com came out yeah that's right. I mean league people worried about their safety. Security anonymity was hundreds of stigma hons so even before the online boom there was still stigma around just personal ads. Oh yeah that was risk you a personal ad. I don't know how people thought they were supposed to meet like oh. We met in ars like that's less risque at. I don't know what they were thinking back on bacne unit each by your parents exactly thing you think you just need a neighbor or coworker or classmate in just get married right away but i think what happened was people realized there's a whole world out there that you can meet and i remember when i was first introduced to match dot com. I was so intimidated by looking at all the profiles because i kept thinking i can't first of all i lived in norwalk connecticut for basement. He's been listening for a while here favors playing my favorite place on earth where everyone's super cool and diverse no i. I really thought oh my gosh. I'm not gonna find anyone and i went on match dot com and my first experience was like holy shit. There's a ton of singles on here. Who are all my age range who look somewhat attractive. I was really excited because i had some really depressing months connecticut so i pulled up my first email of the whole folder in my hotmail account called match and all the emails i ever got from match dot com. My first one is from november twenty ninth two thousand and four from someone named siege c._j. Boyce my username was deasy. I don't know where i came up with boise still out there c._j. Boys looking for you. His subject was are you looking for someone to shovel your car out of the snow. That's a pretty good line because i just moved to connecticut from california gary. Why do you think it's gonna go line does that one stack wasn't listen back. 'cause i thought yes well first of all. It's a question so it's interactive. Are you willing. Are you offering shoe. He's offering something that i really needed because i had no back then so i didn't know how to even stand in the snow his messages tired of the hey baby. What's your sign bar scene. He too funny. I need but isn't that the truth. I'm sick of the scene as well. That's why i'm trying this online thing out for a little bit. My name is chris. I'm twenty seven from brewster new york. If you don't don't know where that is it's about forty minutes from norwalk big change for you coming from l._a. I lived in vegas for three years and loved. It loved the each at as do but for now. I'm stuck here in the cold l._l. Till hellawell whoa that's really progressive and he wanted huntington cold with he wants them to be less cold with and he was super cool kasese l._l. Who use ello ella l._l. Told job job offer somewhere warm comes up if you like to chat email me if i don't hear from you that i wish you good luck in in the east coast later chris chris. I just want to point out today when you get hey. It's like cairo like a freaking novel. Actually i went through my entire folder. In every email was with was is a novel yeah. They were flow long conversations because i think back then people didn't even know how to approach online divulge my entire life. Do i tell you something funny. Now you're right now. Nobody puts any effort. I think you and i are at an interesting place because we i mean granted. We weren't in the early early stages of match dot com as we heard heard just now about but we were kind of in that time that straddle the more traditional dating websites versus the apps and i know for myself i remember it was like it was you just didn't talk about it as much more like something you kind of did there were still definitely a stigma around it like when i was twenty five like i remember going on match. Dot com com vickers a little later like twenty six twenty seven and that was what like eight years ago doing math correctly. I don't even know this. It was a year ago disturbing that but anyways i remember like there was this whole piece that would go home and you would like log into your match mccown and if your work like you make sure that no one could see your computer screen because it was embarrassing to be on it right but also exciting because you're not getting these messages like nowadays you just get a ping but back then you actually have to log into your email and who had internet on their phone so you know obviously have to be near a computer so it was really refund getting these messages something kind of taboo while you're around. I remember my friends and i kind of like devoted like it'd be like wednesday night. Let's go on match you val everyone. There was like a big but i also think for me at least like i remember they were years like even in college. I didn't really date all that much like it was more like thank you would meet someone at a party just like yeah. It was like very hookup central and like i can count the number of like actual dates. I went on like on my hand. It was not very much and i remember like even into my early twenties like i would just like meet people out at bars like you were drunk. You just wasn't like the best gauge of like actually early meeting someone to have a meaningful relationship with so i remember when i first signed up for match like it was like a big thing because it's like you got to write the whole profile but i -member burlap going on like really nice states like going to like nice restaurants kind of giving wake winding down and i was like this is what dating is like so. I think what's happening today now. It's like you're lucky to get a hotdog the real hot dog we still have had like i know. There's so many dating apps out there but i remember like we talked with david cruise. Who's like a dating and relationship expert that was a former matchmaker to on millionaire matchmaker and he was saying like if you're looking for something serious leak dot com e harmony. They still exists. These sites are still out there like if you're on tinder like it's kind of like if you think about bars that you go to right yeah. There's like that trashy dive bar. Everyone's like the last call place. It's like we'll dislike. Hook up with anything versus like a nice upscale lounge right right. It's a serious dating you think about going to match dot com because you're serious about dude how but gary the saga in i saw that and i knew there would be kinda different graduation levels for different people in that's how it worked out but what's interesting about oh you gary. You're not in the dating industry. You're not like a dating exper- relationship coach therapist but you saw that there was a need in the market for something like this and you jumped on it now looking back at the evolution of online dating and how match dot com has turned and how match dot com has turned out is this. Do you think about getting back into the dating industry will help out some startups over the years but i'm kinda down from it. It's kind of a tough industry. I would say now to make money on ashes because there's there's so much noise out there. It isn't network work business. What i mean by that is the more people on your in your database. The more likely someone is the use it generally speaking because you don't want to go some place. We can't date anyone anyone so because of that. I think it's a tougher business. There's some intruders. I feel like tinder really shook up. Online dating like mattress kind of like the first shakeup in nintendo was the second one which ironically was incubated in match right. Well i think i i think that's actually a pretty interesting point. They there has to be some. I'm kind of technological or some other type of lead to beat. An incumbent in the field <unk> kinder- was that one yeah or dating and there probably will be another one in the future. I'd say yeah kind of that more mobile use of facebook's <hes> database. If you recall that that goal tender you know would suck in facebook friends and then look for friends of friends so i think they're innovations. Do happen like any other business yeah well. I think tender with i remember because i was also dating in the rise of tinder two thousand twelve when exploded and i loved match because i went really quality dates matched up m. e. Harmony armony always had the highest quality <hes> now quality long term relationships tenders the facets yeah. I remember like i loved match because it was like like you went really solid dates but i remember just took a long time and a lot of them would kind of go into like the dating black hole sometimes because it wasn't that instant right and i thought i remember like when tinder first came out it was just like instantly everyone messaging you all the time you gotta love messages but also besides the point you were getting a along messages. I remember going out like date after a day like double booked like three times a week so it's just like the quantity so mass because it was easy access like you were just saying gary. It's anyone with facebook. Account could sign up. There wasn't that long profile however i think we long for the days also were there may be was a bigger barrier chantrey. Yeah makes sense while my longest relationship. I attribute to match we met on match. We dated for five years not stole my longest relationship ever so so thank you ed relationship off match also how long how long not long six months of all. I think that's that's respectable back ball you gary what if you had to do mesh dot com all over again. What are some things you would do differently well out of it was some internals politics within you know. I wasn't wasn't actually right now. I'm a public servants elected by three hundred thousand people kinda change careers a little bit <hes> i would've been a little bit more political and <hes> you're probably could have got a lot of the things i wanted on with my crazy ass investors if i would have just listened a little bit more natural in such a we doing my way or the highway took a lot of people would say about their lives where the now what about like dating like the actual style of the dating site like is. Is there anything in the future stuff that you were like. Oh that is that was such a great idea or do you feel like the way you did. It was good. I feel good about the time we did it right right and we help satisfy market needs. No no regrets in that way i guess what advice would you have for modern daters today well. I don't think yeah i'm gonna say. I don't think it's changed and i would say people have to. I'm gonna say rattling in the category of being less picky but it's more we're like love can come in many different forms and people should be less judgmental about it. You know you never know i. I really do mean that. You know people all well. He's <hes> he's only five nine and i one five ten. I think less judgment would serve people much better amen. Give it a little bit of a chance camps. You've been riddled chance. Did you see like data about like who actually ended up getting married and being together from match like was there anything that showed that that people didn't necessarily early go for her. They initially selected i. I don't think i could give hardened fasten okay. And how did you meet your partner. Was it online i yeah okay okay. Let's say i'm not in the promotion business here. He's hanging back in like this. Gifty is amazing dr the best f._d._r. Ever best mask of going to the segue takeaways biggest takeaways ask yard. It's coming back back yeah. You know i need to get ahead of this needs to be a business gary. Patton budget yeah there the war time efficient way of making ask you are and then we can send those instead of emoticons the new emoji. It's weird it here. I my biggest takeaway regardless of what happens with online dating and offline dating. We just have to work with technology instead of against it. I think oftentimes we blame technology for some of the dating problems that we face but it's really how we use it so no matter what the next tinder or match or bumble is instead of thinking about <hes>. This is making me more antisocial. It's making me <hes> having dating fatigue. No actually we can't blame the technology we can only blame the way we're using them. I love that. I also might other take away to. It's just like it's all an evolution solution. The fact that like i mean i think the story is crazy. Gary that started from like sending an attachment bodo but like that's like what was going on at that time hi so it's like there's certainly pros and cons of current and past he added. I think like to your point of just going with what we are currently doing it. There's also a lot of pros of current day. Just the speed the level of connection like gary mentioned. You're on the go all the time. It's mobile like there's just so many benefits i think auto times we get caught up in the complaining and the dating fatigue and it's like there are a lot of pros to online day opens you up to like a whole new world of people that you would not out of matt and i think it's easy to forget those pros when you're in the oh. I don't forget that i mean there's a saying in business contacts equal contracts and i think the more or dates to have the more likely you get the right one so you're a numbers game guy within reason if if you're not getting out <music> out you're not getting that about that. They're not getting out. You're not getting a that is a great line cast awed. You're not getting out there. You're not gonna get any. That's very true you gotta be in the game the game in the game while thank you for inventing venting online dating gary without you. I would be holed up somewhere not knowing what to do and we will actually countless relationships. Both of us would not have ever had live so absolutely or heart. Would you do that one guy in fremont. I discovered him otherwise is how would i ever find him right by. My last batch story that i just i always think is hilarious. Is i got this one message that was in morse code and it was like maybe that's what it was like a bag. Leo morris it was real. It was like if you could figure this out like we go out of date but then my friend also same mass fuck man don't copy and pace morse code. Come on guys do some ask. You are well. Thank you gary for taking the time out and <hes> <hes> being the godfather of online dating. It's been a pleasure to talk to you and thank you david to for joining and telling us about this book. I mean i love the book. I definitely definitely think that everyone should read is fascinating kind of being back in that time. That was like beyond a lot of us so i guess can you tell us is kind of just like where we can get the book anything else they want to share before we wrap up the book is available online and in stores for for every could find it and <hes> you know the response rate people have really seem to you know take an interest in the story because says i think partly they never knew what the origins of what all of this were and you know like gary once joked that he's responsible for over a million babies but the probably is responsible for ten billion babies this plan. I mean it's it's amazing how widespread this is so <hes> you know and i think it also just this gives insight into how people innovate in perhaps a little a little look into where things might might go in the future awesome well yeah amazon zahn you can get it barnes and nobles dot com any online will link it into fun tastic okay. We're going to wrap this up and for any of our listeners who have some match dot com stories of their own. Send those you us. We love jogging down memory lane with some of the earth messages. You got because the ones i got were pretty. We damn good yeah or if you're if you're still using or sex dot com or any variation. I still want to hear from you and just what's your experience reince being with online dating. We always love a good online dating story yup and faulk best in our i want some ask. Ask me our website. We'll be ascii art from now on. We're going to wrap this up. State want to continue the conversation. I follow us on instagram facebook and twitter with the handle at dateable podcasts tag any post with a hashtag. Stay dateable and trust us. We look at all those then in head over to our website dateable podcast dot com there. You'll find all the episodes as well as articles videos and our coaching service with vetted industry experts. You can also find our premium. 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Hour 4: Nick Suss and Mississippi Football

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 4: Nick Suss and Mississippi Football

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It's time to start thinking about John Calipari basketball teams, and I'm going to disagree with you all we got off to a slow start for some reason. Seems to be competitive here over the past two years under state, but he always turned it around and finish his strong. So there's start a game on her schedule right now pulled the see us being able to win, and that includes at Alabama. Carry Wilson Fourteen and five is career so far Wide. Receivers that Alabama had. He'd be nineteen to know with water and Davante Smith but we don't have that but what's your thoughts call Gary. I'm really pleased to see the turnaround we did have coach Mark Stoops on yesterday and I laughed about that because. It looked pretty desperate after the game, but the credit goes to him. and. I've always been a big fan of his, but it just looked like it was coming undone and. To The delight of I think Kentucky fans and people that appreciate a guy that's done the work. He has turned it around and that was a really big win over the weekend. It was a it was a monumental win not only to to win a game on the road but to literally You know skin the flesh off of Tennessee at Neilan, stadium that was spectacular. But as far as the schedule. You Know Georgia. Alabama Florida. The one thing I'll say about the Georgia game where I would keep my eyes on that that comes a week actually I take it but that's a week before the Florida game. and you know you don't know where Georgia will be thinking of that game. But I don't think you're GonNa go to Alabama and win. Right now, I don't think you're going to go to Florida and win, but even if you lose those two or three you still. You still make a nice comeback. WanNa see us losing that Florida and I think we'll take care of business at home against Georgia Alabama game obviously, our backs against the wall and everybody's betting against this. But that's where that's I guess that's why we're GONNA play the game but Kentucky can't take Missouri lightly like we did last year they overlooked last year came down to. that pass interference call in the end zone, and luckily with zero zero zero on the clock, we've got another play. Where Wilson found day Conrad in the corner to end zone and hopefully I'll be there. Game Listen I appreciate your calling and I. Appreciate You caring because Kentucky has turned the season around and. Maybe, there's some of those games can be turned around I don't know but right now I think. Your confidence maybe a little too high going into Alabama Chris is up next in Raleigh Hello Chris. Good afternoon. Bomb, I, have to serious proposals what your opinion on. The first one is we proved we can move games around and this one my friend, a Brian Cunningham, who's a kicker it Alabama you covered him. Sure twenty nothing Vandy Game while Film Guy, so let's let's have Clemson Alabama thanksgiving weekend in Atlanta. And we'LL DROP VIRGINIA TECH AND WE'LL Send Virginia Tech up and let them play Ohio State. Where you think so what about the? What about the last two weeks of the season? Are you scrubbing them from the? Board. What we clips and really has played anybody and that's fair in truth. So we'll. We'll play we'll drop. South. Carolina. End. Game Katcher Daddy's Gamecocks to looking good this year. But we prove with these games health yet but. I would I don't first of all. You know we're talking I mean I don't need to tell you. You're judge but. Conference rules are pretty pretty pretty specific right now, but I think clemson schedule is really going to improve the rest of the way I. Think the Game Notre Dame is really going to interesting I think Clemson will lose. But at least it'll be tested and I think the Virginia Tech Game and even Florida state might be more interesting now than. People originally thought. A-. It might be. Trying to figure a way to get to that Notre Dame game, they're not letting any by. But really second. Well that you have to be a faculty member or student. To get in can't you can't you go dressed in a robe I I. You know I'm GonNa, try that but. Maybe, I need a SEC hat on. If you go in your robes, somebody might think you're a priest. You. Know that could be a problem. The there's only one only two professions where you wear a costume to work. That's a play on the judge Tam. Always wondered does We're is there like is there like a store that judges gets a robes? When I first became a judge in two thousand, they would tell us you need to go to the Catholic store, the Catholic, bookstore and Bob Black. That's really that's where we got him again. But my second proposal is, is there any way you can get jeff to? Come down to Raleigh into, my playpen Jeff from Ohio state. That would be great. What up free a free pizza or anything. Just. Getting in the my plate pool. Yeah I will work on that when I would like to happen and I know I shouldn't suggest this. But you know I'd like to get him coming through your district and have him pulled over and you throw the book at him. I will talk to the highway WELP. We'll. We'll be right on that and then you know you can put them in jail and then say you're sorry you were just kidding around. Yeah. We put him in there with his cousin Owen Owen Four. Yeah. He's a Good Guy Laporte Pay Jessica you know what? I love about Jeff he knows his football and he is a passionate man. And I appreciate that it's fun even hearing him talk even though he's from Ohio I don't know. Yet. He doesn't understand. SEC football. He he really he really doesn't. Hey judge. Thank you. Great. Hear from you. Window is up next. Good afternoon Wendo. Paul how you doing we are doing great Thank you for the call. Yet. first time caller longtime listener me and my wife of very big fan of your show. Thank you. Enjoy, watching it every day but I an Alabama fan roadside. I want to bring up one thing that nobody's mentioned this year. I think I heard last year people saying we were wondering what's The dynasty dying? Stables Dynasty. I think a lot of people were asking that question including me. Yeah Fall. I didn't WANNA call yet? No. Hey, listen. You can't be honest about what you've said then you should be doing something other than what I'm doing. That's right and another thing I wanted to bring out real quick I think Matt Johnson does not the process that he deserves. that. Young man has. Put this team on his back. Even being in the shadow of Jalen and tour, and he is leading this team after taking some hit I mean he is really still coming back focus. I'm just really proud of Mac and what the team is doing right now. Window I agree he's a he's a great young man he's been spectacular. He's overcome a lot and. I thought he would have a good year. I didn't think he would be leading the country. Wendell. Thanks for the kind words we will talk again I hope and you'll be well, you say, best to your life as well. Thank you. Great to have you Yeah. We we'll take a break. When we come back, we're going to find out what is going on in Ole Miss. Nick. Lane kiffin continues to talk about covert issues as they face, get ready to face Auburn. They have a team ready for this weekend. Knicks US OUR MAN and Oxford joins us next just because you can't be in the stadium doesn't mean you can't bring that classic ballpark feeling home with Ballpark buns and rolls. America's favorite Ballpark buns and rolls are always freshly baked always and delicious and never fall apart with ballpark buns and rolls. You can enjoy the carefree taste of summer anytime of year. So next time you're picking up essentials for grilling tailgating or a cozy night in and your favorite ballpark buns and rolls to the card and make it an occasion to celebrate find them wherever you buy groceries. Listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast. GEICO presents monster. Counseling Dracula tell me how you're feeling. No one understands how lonely these no one will even let me into their house I knock knock but they ignore me. What else I look in the mirror? Sick, don't even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly can you believe expect others to having a breakthrough? It's not easy to be a vampire but with GEICO it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance. We welcome you back great to have everyone here. Hoping to catch up with Nick suss in a minute. Let's check in with Harvey in. California I Harvey Welcome to the program. Thank you Paul fish a long time listener first-time caller. Thank you longtown. Longtime, Alabama fan moved to. California about six fifty five years ago and still follow the ties still screaming. Holiday television. To too. Two quick questions for for May. One. Why would the BCS allowed the PAC? Tin. Even play in the BCS championship games this year they only played six conference games. Well. You have to remember the the BCS not the BCS but the College Football playoff. Is Basically. Your cartel. The five most prominent members are the member or the commissioners of the five. Power five conferences Notre Dame as part of that and. They opened the door to a few people now, and then so I mean they wanted to be inclusive. It's also good for ratings If you have someone other than Alabama Clemson in there every year and you know to try to get house date to try to get Oregon or se is beneficial so I, I don't think anyone knows if it's going to work or not. Especially with the PAC twelve but I don't blame them for release keeping the door open. Okay. My second question is it seemed like last van gained Alabama played. Their defense. Got A lot better. Do you see getting better the rest of the season? I think a lot of that had to do with matchups. And the match up was against a more standard quarterback pro style, and I think Alabama was able to catch their breath a little bit better than they do not the this offense against a really good quarterback which we saw you know miss did not work very well knicks US joins us from the Clarion Ledger and nick. It's always great to have you on I've been reading your your stories this week and I'm GonNa let you try to describe the current situation covert related with Ole miss good afternoon. Paul it's. It's not as bad as it is in some other places where he had to have games cancelled and everything, but it's also. Getting worse by the day it seems. I. Mean as of last Friday, it was only one case and two kids with contact tracing and manifested itself with two defensive starters missing the Arkansas game which. I don't know what you want to call it coincidentally are ironically was their defensive game of the year but we asked about it yesterday and he indicated that the case county has increased spoke with contact tracing and with positive tests. So he said it is mostly confined to the defense I don't know he means mostly or exclusively but. It seems like speaking players. It's almost exclusively with defensive players and it seems like it just happened where Ole miss had gone five six weeks outta positive test and players started to get a little bit more lax about wearing masks when they were in common areas of their apartment and such. Most Sonoko, one of the linebackers that's something pretty insightful, which is you start to get to a point where if you're being as frequently as they are, you assume when you're around other football players, you can't catch it but obviously, if one person. Doesn't. Follow the protocols. Then everybody else who's gotten laxed around the other football players becomes more susceptible than normal and I think that's kind of what happened for. Nick as we move forward I mean it's a fairly big game this weekend. What are the dates? In terms of testing that we should be paying attention to and. At this point. It looks like the game is still on, but it's only Tuesday. Yeah I mean they're going to continue testing I. think they'll have around testing on Wednesday and around a test and on Friday. Usually have through the season they might up testing when there are more cases I don't know if they have the infrastructure to do that in place, but there will be around testing Friday that should. Indicate whether or not it can be played as of right now there's no indication that they won't be able to play unless there has been. A massive jump that has accounted for so far But the the big thing for Ole. Miss Right. Now seems to be the contact racing less than the actual positive tests because. So many people in the SEC saw last weekend. If there's a positive test, you can negative test out. But if you get caught with the contact tracing, you can't negative test out because you've never had a positive test, you have to wait the full fourteen days and I think that's where a lot of Mrs Depth is going to end up being hurt less with positive tests and the people who encountered people who had positive tests nuclear I realize we're guessing about health and science here but you mentioned what you think are the number of players but as you expand that to contact tracing in quarantine, is that where? You've said that's where you think it could go I mean how how many players do you think we're talking about here if this thing gets worse? I don't want to speculate on that I. Mean I'm not GonNa throw numbers out that are wrong but I can tell you that I do know for certain as of last weekend it was only three total players isolated so unless the virus will ask three. With three players isolated why? Why is Kiffin continuing act like we're talking like you know there was a dangerous game being played. I don't think he's ever set that he's he's he's certainly. I mean, what did he? What did he say last week because it sounded like he said, the situation was what? Last week he said I'm trying to remember if this is the exact quote. This is the first time we have had coalpit issues since all cap and the word issues can be read a hundred different ways. So I understand some fear there but I think he did not say we can play the game right now. He did. which opens the door for wh what's the other side of that? Well. If he said, we can play the game right now that means he was waiting for further testing. So I don't know what he expected. But yeah. As of then they could've played and they did play. So I don't know if things have gotten worse but. based. Off I do know they've got a little worse I. Don't know if they've gotten worse the extensive you'd have canceled the game. But just based off of what the university releases of number of active student cases there are twenty five active student cases let alone just among athletics. So we're just going based off of the pure Ole miss numbers. There aren't enough active cases. What's the mystery is how many kids are in contact with? The is problematic. So on the defensive side of the ball, this is not exactly. An all American unit here. So take us through what you know and try to figure out what impact will have Saturday. Yeah based off the players they missed last week they missed one guy in the secondary one guy in the defensive line. And just based off of players we've talked to this week. I've asked how much depth. Has Been Hurt, and they seem to say it's it's taking a hit. You get to another point where offensive players across training on defense in case they need the debt. That sort of thing that I think a lot of schools tried in the fall and Ole miss very much tried with some players moving permanently. So I think you're gonNA have to see some of that as far as the twos threes with the ones I. think they should be solid if after a place one or two guys because as you alluded to this, isn't the highest quality defense to begin with. So when you're replacing players sure it hurts but it's not like you're losing an all American replacing them with somebody who's never played before a lot of offenses inexperienced. Defense is. overmatched at times against teams like Florida and Alabama to start the season replacing those guys with other guys up similar under. Nixon. There've been some good moments this year certainly the winner Kentucky looking better and better the performance Alabama pretty spectacular seem like a lot of that balloon was burst last weekend how how would you assess the first couple of weeks of Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss? Yeah, I think that a lot of people. Didn't expect the offense to be derailed the same way the way it was. Last week against Arkansas and the fear right now is. To Arkansas. Outline a blueprint for how to derail this offense. The same way they kind of gave that blueprint for how to stop Mississippi State Mississippi State offense looks a lot more pedestrian than it did before it played Arkansas, all Arkansas did was. Rush three men and drop eight and Darryl to pass into zone coverage and they couldn't figure it out. So that's kind of focus this week, and how do you counter what Auburn is going to do because there is a very successful method of forcing seven turnovers that's obviously hugely successful and frazzled illness ole miss offense we'll see. How that proceeds because I would still say. I think fans should be a little bit more optimistic about. The offense being good than the offense being what people saw against Arkansas I think when you put up forty eight points and six hundred plus yards against Alabama and when you put up thirty five points and throw for four hundred, forty yards against. Florida. But up forty two against a Kentucky defense that looked stellar in the two games since I think that's I think that's still something to be optimistic about but there definitely should be a little bit of fear they off us. Now teams have tape on what doesn't work. In we're showing the schedule. At Vanderbilt South Carolina at Mississippi State and then at Lsu. Played some really good teams already obviously Florida Kentucky in Alabama I don't think people could be devastated by the record which brings me to Saturday just seems like this is such a importance swing game and that's what I think. The health is so critical but you know either or Saturday it seems like a wind can can salvage. A decent season but a loss and you start looking for for for for the rest of the way, and there are many easy ones. And that's kind of what the problem was for the last three years under. Matt Luke was seasons would start here. Well, that were promising. You think about the five and to start in two thousand eighteen you think about last year when I started off two and two and one in sec play you think about those years and then you lose four straight to end the year US straight the year that sort of thing that's what they have to avoid this year I think it starts with Auburn a team that. Obviously has struggled the last two or three weeks just like Ole miss has but. I Dunno I. It's GonNa come down to can defend. Make plays I mean they the defense finally made the playoffs last week against Arkansas and it didn't end up mattering but I still think that's what. is going to end up being so important, not just for this album game, but then follow that with. Vanderbilt in South Carolina, which to start the season seemed incredibly winnable. Now, Vanderbilt still feels winnable South Carolina maybe in doubt they from the way they've played. The last couple of weeks it is going to start this weekend. It's GonNa come down to candy offense rebound and I'm old Kevin Steele decent and will the defense be able to make bonex throw the ball instead of letting him find those rushing lanes and kind of vantage defense with Mike. What was the reaction or was there any reaction to the? Lane train derailed tweet put out by Arkansas right after the game. I don't know how much of the team saw it. I. Know that Lane Kiffin retweeted as and said, he thought it was funny and he's been taking it in stride. He said he was happy to help out the former walk on player get him a scholarship he's doing whatever can for playwrights he put out a tweet with that. He was just weirdly more optimistic after the Arkansas than he was after the Alabama loss I I think that a lot of people would have thought. Oh, you come out of Alabama law three put up forty eight points more yards than they've ever allowed and you're feeling positive. You come out of the Arkansas loss with seven turnovers and you're feeling dour, but it was kind of flip. Because I think kissing now sees that. Hey that offense of performance against Alabama, that defensive performance against Arkansas we can do both of those on the same day. Almost might be a pretty good team. It's a matter of putting it all together whereas after Alabama. I think he was just. Three straight weeks, the defense was given up. Six hundred, seven, hundred yards of offense every week that's Kinda hard to overcome. So I think he's taking everything in stride. He understands that if he's going to be as vocal on twitter as much of a character, sometimes teams are going to give it back and I think he's taken the Arkansas situation with with a little bit of. Julian not not about the loss, but about the situation. Pretty. SMART. But nobody ever. Doubted that. Great to have you on as always come back soon, we always appreciate it. Anytime, you got nick suss fantastic. Reporter. For. The Clarion Ledger. Some really interesting comments there. We will take a break and come back. Final thirty minutes is all yours. Is your money not sure what to do with itself right now at ally, they'll help it save for the future with their smart savings tools, bucket your money for the things that matter most analyze you're spending and save automatically all on top of a competitive rate. For All things money you deserve an ally visit A. L. Y. dot com slash savings for more INFO ally do it right? Ally Bank member FDIC Listening Paul Finebaum show podcast. 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Well, there's a good weekend last weekend And The Mas Brandon questioned you know could could bring up a lot I quarterback against already the D. Line and and DB's could be trouble for them. i. just wonder what you thought about that in general I have one more question after that. Travis I think it's an amazing opportunity for Wilma shampoo to. Finally put everything to bed and what I mean by that is the noise conversation about buyouts, the uncertainty about the future. Well, this is not a vintage Lsu Team I. It's a winnable game and this is the kind of games I. Think his fans including you have been waiting for, and I think there's a real opportunity here. Absolutely absolutely and I know that you like myself do not like to try to predict the future especially in a year like this. It's you know what's going on with next week the next game. But I looking at the schedule I see replay Lsu win-lose. By then we only play to away games for the rest of the season that's at old miss and at Kentucky with am Missouri in Georgia at home. I really think that my boat well as well but I think this game is a huge. Factor in what could happen travel it's critical for the obvious reason you know South Carolina already has two losses and you just you just don't want to ratchet up the pressure that was a big win to to get Auburn out of the way. And this would just add to the credibility of of what he's trying to accomplish and momentum, and that's really what you want in this year. Nobody knows how this things weren't end when it's going to end how it's going to end but these games matter and Forget. You can't harp on what's already happened. He lost against Tennessee. Game. Florida was not a winnable game. This one is, and before the year if you'd call me in. July I would have said there's no way. Now especially because ozone was talking about how great is team was Right. So I'll just you know making close to Yeah exactly just looking forward to this weekend you know prime time be able to make a big statement and then carry that momentum through the by get folks healthy and move on. Eight him at a great you got. Good to hear from you. Thank you case. Travis? I'm sorry we have Keith next to my eyes betrayed me go right ahead. Paul. And talk a little Tennessee football. I tried to get in yet today the screener would let me through the lady today was much nicer. Well. That's what the I'm glad to hear that. Yeah Emily's great and. There's no reason why anyone should be let through I don't know what that was all about. Well that's okay. Yesterday was reaction time. obviously, I really disappointed about Saturday, but before I think, think that about Tennessee. You. Always, talk to be a gracious loser as well. Sweaters, graphic? Kentucky. Laid played a great game. you know they they beat or tails. but the the quarterback situation. 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Whats Stopping You From Doing Your Best Work? | #AskGaryVee 306 w/ Aaron Dignan

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Whats Stopping You From Doing Your Best Work? | #AskGaryVee 306 w/ Aaron Dignan

"On this episode. My buddy Aaron comes to talk about his book and really some of the most fascinating. Should I think about daily? Gary bay nurture, and this is three oh, six of the ask Gary be show, and I'm very excited because of a friend of mine for a long time in tech space kind of OG for me digman allowed him to introduce himself. And then we will talk some talk. We will take your calls so Facebook, putting your numbers will grab your grab your numbers. We'll do some Cuban a we'll talk about his new book, and I'm sure I'll take a somewhere super random as well. So Aaron want you sing a little later nation Telmo, you're all right? What's up internation-? Happy to be here. My name's Aaron digman. I think of myself a little bit like a bureaucracy exorcist. I kind of go into big bureaucracies around the world companies. You've heard of that are a little frustrated with how silo hierarchical and inhuman work has become and I try to shake that shit up. And how have you done that through your career? Obviously we met when you had an agency. Now, you're human might have agents update me like always been something you've been great at and obviously, you know, I've vein remedium a lot of ways does that as well. More kind of like in the package of like, a classic agency more than consulting or like energy like we clearly share a religion on this matter, which is why you're sitting here. How are you doing that? Currently as a as a solo nomadic. We have a we have a company called the ready that has people in fifteen cities around the world and bedded and these companies I mean, everything from big financial firms to medical systems to consumer brands, and are you constantly vetting people that you can train up or have it. So that the next time. Another company wants to do something. You've got that kind of ninja. Yeah. I mean, basically what we've been trying to figure out what can be consistent. What's common across the way, all companies are getting in their own way. And then what needs like a special, touch, and then finding finding those ninjas those people in each community and one of that company start two thousand fifteen years ago before that or he's under current. So I mean, I just for me it's been a chain of what about before under current before it was brand play. So it's always been agency space it's been trying to help. And for me. It's just been like following one question to the next question. So the first question was like wire wire brands, creating these emotional reactions in people why do people like do irrational shift or brands then the question became, I notice a lot of technology. Brands are changing the world. They're changing more than anybody else. What's that about? So then undercurrent was all about that digital disruption. And then the question did under current get and headcount. I mean, we were doing ten eleven million dollars a year with thirty or forty people company. Yeah, it was real. I mean, it was it wasn't huge. But it was a nice boutique, and it was like a super like respected for. Started. It was like very high quality guard start that that was oh seven who started that you into other guys ham? Josh beer back in the day. So yeah, that was that was the next question. Then after doing all that digital stuff for eight years. It was like, oh, wait second new question. Why is it so hard for companies to change is in the digital? It's the problem. It's that they just can't metabolize. What's happening in the world. How much is short term financial religion at the core of all this. I think it's a lot of it in terms like constrict just ratings. This is one smart man, who's been in it, if this is like arbitrary, of course, out of one hundred percent of the energy of the problem for big companies how much of it is they give so much fucks about financial health every ninety four and and in the short. Fifty percent. Yeah. Yeah. Man, which which is good and bad. Right. The good news is that means there's fifty percent. We can do something about just like that. And the bad news is that means we have an economic operating system that needs a little jesting. So if you're running a business or you're within a big business might be a right time to call putting your phone numbers on Facebook. We'll be getting to that a little bit. So let's talk about the book. Yeah. What is it? When did it come out? How's it doing book is called brave new work breathed, new workout, which is kind of watching that should rush to Amazon places? Why would who's the right person by this? I mean, I wrote it for literally anyone either leads a team or is planning to do. So. Right. So if you're either if you're entrepeneurship your solar per Noor, you're going to build a company get ahead of this. Because otherwise it's going to catch you down the road. It's a way to like, maybe never become a bureaucracy. Right. Become something more adaptive in initiative. Crecy? Like, here's what I talk about it like Barack receive basically, it just means people in positions where the position has power and there's rule of law. So like, it's not a big deal. But what it means when it goes bad is I like to call organizational debt, right? So you got financial debt yo money interest on that. You got technical debt, you write software shitty in the beginning to get it out the door, and then you have to correct it later or debt to me is like any policy or process or structure or set of people in the company that are no longer serving it. But we haven't refracted we haven't changed it up fixed. You know what I mean? So there's there's a story in the book that I love where like the CEO takes over a manufacturer. In Europe goes on the floor walks around sees a guy with a pair gloves a pink slip by a cage of Queant. He's like what's going on? I'm waiting to get my new gloves. We'll how does that work. Well, when anyone on the floor needs new gloves. They have to show them to their manager prove that they're bad. Get a slip shut down their machine. Go over to this cage. Locking key turned into the guy. He goes in the back. He gets gloves brings them back. Then you go back to you machines started up CEO's like. CEO's like how much of the gloves five euro gets CFO. Hey, dude, how much does it cost to this guy? Shut his machine down for thirty minutes to wait for these loves thousands of euros. So essentially to save get into I'm about to into such a crazy. Honestly, I don't I basically want to blow up the Intermedia total it every day because like right, exactly. Because on short term even my own company where I'm the dictator. There's like seventy four things that are running through my mind right now because we have thousand people right because we're all these. Yeah. But it's like it makes me wanna fight totally totally and it creeps in. I mean, look at your kitchen drawer look at your garage, right builds up. You don't think about marketing a lot? I don't want to dad on blast. And I don't do it ever. But not that I'm going to like emotional stuff is interesting to me emotional decisions within businesses. I'd love giving away stuff for free, right? Right. People. Don't bless you to me. People don't understand these spend money marketing like when you spend money marketing, there's like eight bucks to get somebody to come on your website, totally. But you're okay with that. But you're unemotional by giving them a five dollar item free. They can't have that. That would be crazy. Right. Right. Like like like am always like, but like it's crazy how many people make a decision based on the five dollar glove versus thirty thousand right in and says writing at the big picture, especially in these businesses where everybody has a function. But what about the real you'll cancer which is being we'll get into positions, and they want to build moats around them because they don't want their employees to take their spot because their emission was only to be at this level and this salary after protect it that to me is like super toxic. Yeah. And part of it is just the way we structure businesses. Right. So when you start a business, you got ten people around the table, you have all the skills to get the job done as you grow. You're like, oh, wait a second. You three marketers. Look the same Ugo said over there this little marketing fiefdom, and they're like we're gonna. To grow and take. No, those guys and becomes this whole game. All teams with offense defense and special totally three things. Yeah. Crazy summer, Angie. It's game of thrones everywhere. And so one of the things we noticed in the book is we went on research these companies that are like super adaptive super fast growth cetera. They all organized where it's multidisciplinary. So it's never you never have offense and defense podcast blog. Facebook a lot of you've watched me a lot of my friends with different books, and I say friends because I would not put any author here that I don't respect. No. Like, I don't like it. I'm not Oprah. I genuinely feeling right now. I don't know us to tell you, I'm jumping and rain out. This is probably the book. I most want you to buy. I just have a feeling that a lot of what attracts you to me. Especially for people that listen if you don't read books like me, don't buy it. But like if you're somebody who learns from reading a book, I have a funny feeling this this book if he did a good job because we're in the same login is gonna synthesize in book form of lot of what I give shit about. That was my goal very possible that I could have written this book at some point in my career because I believe in this shit. Totally. And for me the roles to play are like you're getting people off the bench lot with what you're talking about. Getting the game. Do some me. Yeah. Publicly, but what's really cool? Like these guys. Andy specially probably knows is. I'm the CEO NCO of Intermedia totally thousand place. Yeah. This is what I do all day. Totally you what I'm very good. At is what I just didn't long on city Jason which I seven minutes. I went on Instagram live brought somebody on the phone. We did a piece of video and is going to kill get people off. But what I really do. I actually do is every. Is almost like guys were better up just hiring that person than debating it and firing them and giving them severance wasting the money upfront in the process of hiring Doley. That's why higher super fast. Yeah. It's cheaper. Right. Hire fast. Oh, dozens of idiot. Oh, you want to be a good person because he fucking move. Remember ta fill faster than having Andy interview seventeen the far, right? The speed of decision so important, and you wanna talk about somebody who loves speed of decisions. I'm looking at it. You are. Machine. Does not right because everyone likes to do school, right? Well, let's let me do the scantron did scantron has nice cool. Be CB. Random out. This is what I got for it. But thirty seconds to test. BBC thirty three. Yeah. Cool failed classes, but not really they'll give you push through on my life. Well, and in real life. You don't there's no way to know the right answer to Zeus real quick sorry kids in high school that hate life. News alert. You never have to open your book. I didn't you never have to homework. I never did. Noble reports. I never did one. You can fail every test. I did and they'll still push through the second. Guess what? Here's another guy right here that didn't graduate college love you. But I feel re credits shy. But you're yeah. You did that because you're not manure like, you know, you terrible. We'll know how terrible you saw that. That was not that terrible. I was basically whatever I have to do. So I could focus on my real work. I would do that. So then I got an egg. Af I gotta be gotta be gotta see I gotta see. What's the best Email you've gotten about? How long's the book out? It's been out six weeks. Now. Awesome. What was the best Email you've gotten so far? I mean, it's one pops to your mind. Like, I got a note from from somebody to company that we both heard of. That's like in this big innovation division. And he was like everything I've been trying to put my finger on this has been like, that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. It's now requiring required reading for the whole division. There's like six hundred people. Jabra hook was the book that was the most lead gen for vein or ever in my life. Yeah. Has the book become a Li business? What's super cool about it is I didn't expect this because my last book was like a pet project p CEO's are reading this book, the CEO of twenty thousand person realty firm read the book cover to cover and was like, let's flip the table over. I'm ready light for you. They used to take me a year. None of hand holding what about content podcast putting out like, what do you think about like knowing how thoughtful I I couldn't wait to do this with the have you been thinking about more context? What's going on? Yes. So we're gonna we're launching in just a few weeks actually launching a brave new podcast and the way we're going to do it is we're going to bring one business leader on me. And one of my partners in the firm. We're gonna sit with them. They're going to talk about some things driving them. None running stuck in their teeth. We're gonna make a plan. They're going to try the experiment. Come back six weeks later and be like, here's what happened. Just burn burn down Facebook putting your calls. We're about to do that part. I just want to give Aaron. Like, maybe two three minutes to talk about anything. You want about the book or anything else? Yeah. Yes. Brave new work. She can find brave new work dot com. In. Yeah. Which is funny. I got a note from another author who who's like a bestselling author, and he's like God damn and Erin I wanted that title for my last book, the publishers that no he was the guy that owned the dot com before me, no love just kind of. I mean, look the the point of the book is this the if you're starting something thirty seven PM eastcoast, if you've been in business, if you've worked in a big business, if your spouse has, you know, the way we work is a fricken hundred years old everything else has changed. We can we have rockets that can land themselves, but the org chart looks exactly the same as it did when your grandparents were entering the workforce. So it is broken. We have to fix it. And now we're seeing with politics with the environment with four profit companies with inequality everything is starting to fall apart because we haven't updated I love it. So it's time to burn it down. It's time to start again. And the books invitation is basically like given that take ownership of your way of working so isolates these different areas structure authority automation slow. No, it's funny. I'm sitting here. Like, I've been saying something quite a bit would love your take on. So we also have it structure to say sure thousand people, of course. But something I've said twenty five times in the last two months that is absolute resonating, and is absolutely the truth. Would love your take on this as a middle step for a lot of people. I say bainer medias that it's best when Gary the human is an outside energy of the machine itself CEO, and that is what I spend my time on and there's a lot of good from that. When I'm not part of it what I'm over. Here is a separate energy the c o that's willing to break his machine right often at the sadness, and and curiosity of the most senior people within. Has made it dramatically more palpable thoughts. Totally yet. Look, we talk a lot about organizations as pyramids. But I like to think of them as circles the outside is where we meet the market. That's where should is happening. Well, that is for sure most businesses the CEO sits center that's another center. They've no contact with reality. And so they're in here. They're getting messages that are three weeks old. They're sending instructions that are me three weeks old by the time. They get heard. It's a game telephone in both directions. So nothing's really accurate. The idea of having someone who was a founder who's an energy bringer whose vision or out at the edge is the whole point. That's where realities happening the rest of the system should be self sufficient, if you build a business that can't run it self at fifty people hundred people thousand people you've worked to do it should be able to run and self. Let's go then a ton of sense. What else to more hot takes? And he's dialing. I mean, what is from the book. Yeah. No that stuff the stuff that I saw when I went out and talk to these companies, they're the world's largest. Tomato processor. Everybody writes their own job description. Everybody sets their own salary. You talked to MBA's at Harvard. They're like, no way. Could we ever knew that guy's pick tomatoes can and they are ten X more profitable than their competition or the world's largest tomato processor hundreds of millions of dollars. And it's just like there were stories like that everywhere looked this hurston it's being around with Aaron. What's up? Gary. Just good, man. Been watching your stuff for a while. And I really appreciate the call. This actually really hits home with me expand. Yes. So so I've been a unique position where I worked in side of a Bank, and and it's one of those kind of infrastructures that kinda built on legacy in history and. I'm fairly young into all the emerging textile actually go on my desk right now. And so I'm really interested in expanding these well established spaces, and so that's what my question was based off. How do we do things like that from the inside? And then how do we convince people who may not see the full vision of what's out there to look at not just alternate ways of generating revenue, but also look at these groups to help build business models, totally crack so we work with a lot of banks. And what's interesting about banks to me is there's a learned helplessness that happens in regulated industries where people that are used to having rules that are put upon them or like, oh, we can't do anything, and it's much easier to say no to everything when the answer to ten questions three of the ten is. No. So it becomes just no not so much easier. It's a lazy way of being present. In the space. The first thing you have to do is start to ask more about about. What could happen? We always teach we work with banks and big companies always teach him to ask what is safe to try. So is it safe to try? This is a safe to try that. Would it be safe to try it for one day? I did XYZ it changes the smooth from like, can I do this to tell me why this is unsafe? Because I don't think you even know. So that's one trick that we found. That's really helpful. The other thing is we always ask teams whether it's leadership teams or teams at the edge. One question to start the conversation. It doesn't start with bitching. It doesn't start with. What's exciting? It starts with. What's stopping us from doing the best work of our lives? Everybody has an answer that question you talked to a CEO. They'll be like, oh my God. Let me where can I roll out the list and just start with what's on their mind? So if I have a boss, I'm like, what's what do you think is stopping our team from doing the best work of our lives? And then they say I'm gonna start there. Because if I start there, I'm earning trust. I'm moving things forward. I'm breaking down some of the some of the walls, and then I can say, you know, what else I think it is number two three or four. Right. So just start where people are at. I also think that eight at a ten people should change jobs for sure. For sure to be honest. I've been here for a very brief time. So definitely going to have a pretty profound impact on on. What it is that we offer. What what I'm wanting to move forward with a greatly. Appreciate the advice. I did just grab the book. I'm very excited to break into. Oh. And Gary man when you get a chance comes to Kansas City, man. Get some barbecue we are not just fly over country. On both Super Bowl. We were working with hallmark at some point three years ago and the two or three ships I took there I enjoyed working with someone there to right now. So I'm I'm a big fan of KC I widely decided to not go to the jets chiefs game couple of years ago 'cause I didn't feel confident and chiefs beat the fucking piss out of us. But I definitely have feeling that there's there's a classic Patrick Mahomes. Sam darnold night football game in the next half decade, and I'm going to come and I'm gonna come strong. Entrepeneurship koopman. There's a lot going on superman. I don't know. I don't know if you know this but big Omaha. Which is Nebraska, obviously was a conference that kind of died nine years ago because of some cancellations, and Jeff slovaki and his partners drove to me in Iowa City 'cause I was stuck at an airport, and I just their sheer effort I committed to giving the keynote at big Omaha ten years ago. And and I've been we're going with that. Because I think they also did a big Kansas or Kansas City, or what have you? I just been unbelievably aware of the entrepreneurial spirit in the quote unquote, fly over states, listen, I built one of the largest if not the most impactful wine retailer in American history in New Jersey. So you're not you're not talking to you. East west coast. Snob I couldn't be a bigger buyer of entrepreneurship, and I'll be very Frank with you. I actually think entrepreneurships in a very tricky spot right now because there's so much fake entrepreneurship, and there's a hell of a lot more fake entrepreneurship on the left and the right? I think some of the most practical entrepreneurship is in the middle. Unfortunately, they looked to the left and right to see when they're taking up a lot of those bad behaviors. But I do not sleep on Kansas City entrepreneurs. I just hate the chiefs. I can understand. Thank you for your time. Greatly. Appreciate the call. Thank you, brother. I specially the chiefs for not beating the patriots when they should have no kidding. Which is really pissing me. It's funny. Talking about startups one of the stats. I got the book that blew my mind is every year. There's an entry rate in an exit rate for startups. How many come in how many come out the exit rate cross the entry rate for the first time in like two decades recently? We're no bad. No good for me. Oh, yeah. For sure because I'm so tired of fake entrepreneur. Right. Right. Right. That means we're in the beginning stages of figuring clan. Yeah. The by the way, I don't see that as. More that doesn't want competition. I feel bad for people who are taking a motion losses. Sure. We're in who weren't meant to be entrepreneurs. They thought that was not kids that went to college. The current system were in is the beginning stages of fucked up college not everybody needs to be an entrepreneur. Not everybody needs to be anything period. Who's this BJ, Gary Nairn? Gary, actually, superheroes. Talking to give it. Creeper excited. Jane, I say Hello to Aaron. And then tell us where you're from. I would go and Aaron I actually love you, brother. You were like one of the most influential people have been watching you for years out here in campus. Brother. Nice kansas. Yep. That's crazy. Go ahead. I have I have two things for you. I wanna question, I'm running a branding company. Run a hot rod shop, and we build cars, we do videography for companies. Showing up their products and stuff like that? If you don't believe in the product shooed, you brand them is that a company that you would walk away from or is that walking away from money. I feel like I'm selling how if I was to stay with it. I got one answer. Gary me, a different one the way we handle this at the ready is if we can't find enough people to build a team that believe in the mission of that company. We don't take it. So we've had this happened in the last year a company comes in and they work in space run comfortable about we're like Chauhan's who wants it if nobody wants it. We don't do it. When you say, you don't believe in it. You think the product sucks, you don't like the founder unethical where you going. Like, I don't like the product itself. Well, good. I would then take the business because your subjective opinion on a product nothing. They do markets opinion on the product. I don't like anything and also fix it. Like. I think it's a marketer. You're just exposing that product quicker to more people. I don't think I'm fixing it. I'm thinking, I'm making more people aware of things. My big thing is I don't like anything, right? But that feedback Dixit, right? Like, you don't believe in the product how like your audicious opinion. Like if you're too picky about products like. I think you have to be thoughtful here. Right. You the human versus you the operators are very important call like like, you don't like the taste of that beer. Being an I'm I'm an expert in the field of hot rotting. You know what I mean? It's a product you put on a car, and it doesn't perform like it says, you know, what I mean? And there's other products on the market that perform better in what I rather work with that company or work with the one that has the inferior product that's a different question. So I would say that's different like to me. I've no problem marketing Pepsi because I'm not ideological about a sugar epidemic. Right. Right. Right. And but the product works. It is what it is. You're saying to me that there's products in your space disingenuous are like like over or lying or over embellishing, the value, the value proposition that is that is different. Now, you need to make sure that you're not getting a little too expert. Let me explain there's a lot of wines out there that say one of the best white wines in the world where I'm like, no, it's not. But then that's my expert opinion versus the masses is this math or opinion. Right. A little bow. Okay. Anytime it goes in the math, then I'm like cool get out anytime, it's opinion because you're an expert. I say humble yourself and attack. Gotcha. Gotcha. So that that's where I go with it. You know what? I mean, we we've passed a lot of things have being for that reason. We've not as I like to say yes to everything, but they're absolutely moral or concerns there's entire business concepts that I'm just uncomfortable. So the question was asked myself is if I make this bigger does that make the world worse yet? It does. It's like an honestly, I'm a little that's a great thing. And I'll just tell you mine. My big thing on that one is. I mean, people debate everything there was a video. I put out yesterday, that's like helping so many people and like three people are mad at me. Because there's there's four plastic bottles of water. Right. And they're like I was sitting there. And this is what I think about like last night. There's like four different comments of the four thousand this changed my life and under four like, hey, whether like can you get some fucking border bottle like, you know, ten water bottles. And I'm like like, you know, like where do I wanna take this like am? I a human today that believes water in plastic bottle form is massively detrimental to the world. They're absolute people that think that's the case. Right. And there are absolutely people that just got to pick your priorities. I think that's right. And I think we all get to pick. And so you as an expert in hot ride, you get to pick not me, not Aaron I think, it's absolutely. I think everybody should walk away from certain business based on their moral compass and opportunity costs. I have one last thing for you. I'm in the hot rod right now. For one of the biggest shows in the world. I wanna help you sell empathy wines. I want some empty wine bottles and your permission to put it on the side of the vehicle super done. And I'm not even going to send it to empty. I'm gonna send it to you drink because I'm very grateful for the opportunities to send me an Email. Gary bainer media and say you're hot rod Kansas guy. And I will get that emotion. Awesome. Thank you so much. I've got some really killer guys on the crew you won't regret it, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. What we want to end with what we've covered here. We're we're what's the white space within this framework. We haven't touched on. I think it's just how to get started. If you got one more how to get started rights, everyone always asked me. I do the big talk get them all excited, and they're like how the hell do. I get started. I'm like just pick one tension. One thing. That's driving. You nuts at work. Go look and figure out who's doing differently pick one alternative way to do it. And then go try the experiment question. Yeah. It's interesting that I'm CEO and COO. But as you were just talking I'm like, that's why I'm able to fix so much here. Right because I've had James or senior. And now, I'm like, you know, I've always had a factor their feelings their thoughts and perspectives which would slow down even what I wanna do. Pure have any thoughts on that CEO COO concept? So we just worked with a nonprofit that was thinking about the CEO wants to be the kind of outside. Yeah. Improvisational person and person making everybody excited. And should we hire another CEO when I was like take a beat before you do that you bring in some other blood? You don't know what they're gonna wanna do just blow the roles apart? So like, what is a CEO CEO's? Not actually a thing. CEO is a marketer and a mentor and fundraiser this and that and the other blow all those rolls out. And then tell me which one you want these take those eight founded the company don't hold roles. You don't want to do more of what they're great at. And that's why the title gets in the way sometimes. So it's like CEO CEO. I don't care what roles they wanna play. Michael, Gary Vena, Chuck you're on with Aaron dig and dig Naan, Gary New Jersey in the house here where brother I'm in Ridgewood, New Jersey. No, well, please say Hello to earn. Aaron how you doing? I'm doing well, man. What's up? Gary. I I have been been an entrepreneur if you wanna say some days, I've been a want nor and I still feel a bit of a pivot coming on because you know, I'm older. I mean, I'm fifty nine, but I've been I've been mainly around tech. And what's what's hot take for somebody? Who like I feel like I have a lot of skills, but I don't necessarily know which one to focus on next, you know, can make my living in real estate these days. Well, what makes you? What makes you? You got. Yeah. I gotta say, you know, once again, I I feel like I wanna go back to my tech roots and help people out versus dean service provider. Yeah. I got out of coding years ago because kids were doing it better than I was make sense. You know, that's good. Yeah. Love that. But do you love it so much, and it's like fuck it, and you want to get back in the grind get back in the quote, unquote. Jim. Yeah. I gotta say that. I think that I am a better interpreter of tech from people who do it. Well, but don't, you know, hook up with humans as well versus humans who don't understand tech. I kinda stuck in the middle of more like an analyst than I was a programmer still feel that I would not dwell in. The this skill is at that skill dwell on the problem. What's the problem you want solve because of the problem when you want to solve requires coding? Then either you're gonna have to do it or someone else's if the problem, you're solving requires coaching people, then you're gonna have to you're going to find someone to do it would I would just zero in on like, what's what's wrong with the world, and I wanna fix, and then let's figure out what skills are needed to do that by chasing it, but I would really spend more time worrying about what's broke. Let me ask you a little question. Like, are you asking like, hey, I've got this real estate thing that's brewing. But what you're hot take on me? Starting a company around tech in some shape or form. Yeah. I mean, I would say because they see people popping up all over the place who wanna be the influence influences on Instagram like a local level doing social and stuff like that. But you know, the consistency and the quality and stuff like that. They just aren't there. And they give up after a little bit said, listen, I can I can help you go back to the eighty four, you know, the slide deck of yours. And you know, that's that's like if you wanna say, you know, the bible, and so do you want people to pay you to architect tech advancements? Yeah. I'm kind of like a give you let me give you my hints yet and stuff. But but I'll I'll walk the walk with you for price. You know? On your own much as you want. I think you should definitely do it. I don't I don't think smart people view, somebody fifty nine as capable of helping them in tech. I think that there's a lot of people who will ageism you if that's the fear in this conversation, but there's a very easy way to fix that star. You. Start talking right. Shootout content like put out even hearing you now, I'm like, okay. This is good get more detail than videos on Facebook. Speaking Facebook, you mug on your on your Facebook page that you posted on may twelfth two thousand fifteen it's a Vermont cow mug. You still have it. I think so. But. Books here. What's that? Kind of feel that the fifty buck item. And you wanna pick my pocket, you can appreciate this. It's probably an eleven to eighteen dollar item. But let's play real life. If you then drive to Vader and get to meet me for five minutes. I would argue that you're stealing. An opportunity by selling Vermont cow for five twenty five cents. Hey, you wanna know? I just I just had a white bulb of like a thousand light bulb. Go off. And what did that like say? That light bulb the same damn? I gotta find that MLK. Correct. Because what just happened was one of the most meta moments in podcast history. I did that with you hoping that you would say that I was potentially ripping you off because I just used in real time. The example that we started this podcast off with in the cage. You hear the offer a quarter for something your mind goes, and this is not worth it. It's probably worth ten to fifty dollars. What you didn't say is level it up to the forest instead of the tree and say, I can go meet Gary and pick his brain for five minutes by taking this quarter. And that's probably worth ten thousand bucks. Oh, man. He's looking. You up to be one. And that's that's why it's super fun. So take me up on that find the mug and Email me, and we'll get you and your and say Hello, you should absolutely attack. Fifty nine year olds know, how to do technology know to project manage but put out the content. You're very articulate like the way you talk even put out Lincoln videos on your observations. You be stun how much business you might be able to get in the two one. Okay. You got right on. Okay. How fuck and read. Was that amazing? You guys were impressed. That was good, right? It's a good. Good job. Good dunk question day. You get to ask it. Yeah. We'll get. We'll get thousands of answers. You might be able to similar three. I mentioned before. It's a question. I asked every team in the world is far aways Manila, what's stopping you from doing the best work of your life. That's what I wanna know. It'll be in the show you guys keep asking questions we will continue to answer them.

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53: An Essential Oils Investigation

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42:00 min | 1 year ago

53: An Essential Oils Investigation

"Picture, a cave, dark and ominous. That's lit only by torchlight. There's a guy wandering through who looks like Indiana. Jones Khaki shirt whether jacket fedora hat. He's looking for the Chamber of Longevity, a secret cavern that contains the Elixir of life as he moves his torch around the cave. He sees dozens of discarded medical products, empty pill, bottles, vials and sprays. I thought inferior product could never go. The distance etched into the wall. Are Hieroglyphics of herbs droplets vases after fifteen years searching the world? In the right place. Above him are huge letters that spell out the words young living. The man turns and sees a pedestal with a bottle sitting on top of it. It's the Elixir of life that he's been searching for. Something doesn't smell right that maybe booby. Since danger troops have been corrupted forgotten. So he does that thing that Indiana Jones does and grabs the bottle by swapping out with a bag of sand, but no surprise, the cave begins to collapse around him, and he starts running as there's enormous boulder rolls after him threatening to crush. Suddenly he emerged from this action movie onto a live stage where a stage prop boulder rolls down, attract behind him. There's a huge war from the crowd. But this isn't a movie premiere. It's the annual meeting for thousands of people who love and sell essential oils. From business insider this brought to you by. Brands. You know stories you. Don't I'm Charlie Herman. Donald. Today we partner with business insiders investigative team to take a look at a company behind the product. You may recognize essential oils. Young living was one of the first major essential oil companies on the market, helping to launch an industry that today is worth seventeen billion dollars. The company is built on the myth of its founder. WHO's miraculous medical? Inspired him to devote his life to turn of medicine. But that story isn't quite what it appears to be. And for the people who believe in it. They can sometimes pay a high price. Stay with us. Nicole I binder is an investigative journalism business insider. Last year, her editor her to start looking into this essential oils, company called young living. It was supposed to be you know. Maybe spend a month on this. We I spend a few weeks talking to some people doing some research never thought it would end up turning into the siege thing over the past. Past Year Nicola spoken to over eighty people and reviewed thousands of pages of FDA in court records about young living a year ago, she flew out to Salt Lake City. Utah for the company's Twenty-fifth Anniversary Convention is a forty long dimension. And that was really long days. It was I was out there for like ten hours or so just jam packed with. Workshops all during the day on essential oils and how to run the business, and on these grand spectacles of events in the evening like what? Like imagine dragons concert. Yeah this company is no joke. It's got celebrity endorsements from people like and Cavalieri and Ellen pompeo. The Twenty Nineteen Convention attracted thirty two thousand people from all over the world narrow people of all walks of life, all various ages that were there. There were men there with you know an oil boss hat on their head, a lot of stay at home moms, a lot of people who are both really religious people from conservative towns in the middle of the country and really liberal Yogis, southern California in these coast. Young living is a multilevel marketing company which means that many of the thousands of people at this conference and the thousands more who didn't attend are like salespeople. They're called members, and they don't just by the oils for themselves. They turn around and sell them to other people and try to recruit more people to start their own young living sales chains for many of them. This company has become their community for the entire year. They hadn't seen each other in real life, besides other behind the bright screen of a computer on groups, and all of this, and finally there together with people with their oil, he's. One another. So I mean. Why do people get involved in I mean why is that one for the love of the products I spoke to a lot of members of the convention last July. Who told me they absolutely swear by oils? He's changed my life. My blood pressure down. Essential oils are concentrated liquids sell from plans they've been around for centuries and people are to their smells and products and perfumes I used. Every different thing. The thing about essential oils is they can help you relax. People of these oils like Heiferman reduce nausea or by vendor, healthy stress. The problem though is that some people are also using them to treat serious medical conditions. They're not just using them for their smell. They're applying them to their skin there even justin them. Knees dismal any medicine I haven't used them over the counter drug. Every little element, you have a headache period. There's oil for that. Issue though is there just isn't a ton of research about any of those disease claims. If you search on pubmed, which is like? Google for medical research. You'll find lots of studies about essential oils. Frankencense Pine Needle, Geranium, essential oil suppress tumor progression through the regulation of the amp, K and tour pathway in breast, cancer, or essential oils and new horizon and combating bacterial antibiotic resistance. Those sound good, they sound great. Yeah, the thing is according to the medical experts that I spoke to most of these studies lack scientific evidence and are clinically irrelevant in other words. Most of them aren't randomized. Studies include lots. Lots of words like possibly and probable, they often aren't even tested on humans, but that doesn't keep people from citing them. There's a lot of private facebook. Groups were people who are both young, being congregate and every single day. You go on there and they're discussing questions about what oil I use for this Xyz, skin, problem, or it gets more serious oil. Should I use for my family member that has cancer not worth a danger. This arises. There is just not a lot of good research actually out there. There's lot of people making claims about what the oils conde-. In a statement business insider young living said that it actively monitor social media channels and freezes or removes accounts that make quote noncompliant claims about the oils, but Nicole still came across many of these kinds of posts in her reporting. So how regulated the industry? That's a good question because it's not really regulated at all, and that's kind of what the issue is here. That sounds a little crazy. Like how can you sell a product that claims to have medical benefits that isn't scientifically proven or government regulated while you can't, but essential oils are not legally considered medicine, which means they don't have to get approval from the food and Drug Administration before they put their product on the market as long as they don't make claims that their products are intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. They're in the. The clear because the second they make those claims. The FDA considers them drug, and that means they need approval, but it doesn't seem like it's that hard to fly under the FDA's drug radar. For example there's this book called the essential oils desk reference that Nicole picked up while she was at the conference. It's a thick six hundred and forty page textbook that outlines all of young living's products and the various ways. You can use them. Has Oils for Leukemia for congestive heart failure for Colorado for lupus for measles. The book describes what oils should be used to repair the trauma of sexual abuse. Apply one, two three drops of Sarah over the area where the abuse took place than forgiveness trauma, life release joy present time those are all names of young living oil blends. Let's all the claims that you know young living itself can't make an. It's directly making disease claims, and that's why this book isn't sold by young living until by another company Life Science publishing, that might be why the book wasn't technically sold at the convention. Nicole went to life. Science publishing employs directed her and other interested buyers to hotel across the street where they could buy the book in a statement, young living said it has disassociated itself from the desk reference and Life Science Publishing told Nicole book is quote a resource to be used for educational purposes and not in connection with. With the sale of any essential oils, and that readers are urged to rely on their healthcare providers for medical treatment, but the book is a popular resource for young living members, and the publisher's own website calls the book. The quote authority on all things young living L. S. P. is a pivotal momentum for the whole company. You people are coming and going. How did I do this and then with your tools for Dallas? He has been amazing bridge. This video is on the Life Science Publishing Youtube page, and you can hear highly ranked young living members. Talk about the book starting. Worn everywhere, so religion plays a big role and at the center of the company. This product is love of young. Living is Gary Young. Donald Gary Young He's the Indiana Jones esque guy. You met earlier and one of the authors of that six hundred forty page book Gary as he's called, is the founder of young living essential oils. In fact, the entire company is built around his life story, even though Gary died in two thousand eighteen. His presence lives on in the company is just. Utterly loved by those involved with the company, and that was obvious walking around with a convention last year there were shirts that read keep calm and Gary On. Gary used created oil spurt. Purpose never makes a product for profit. It's always fair reason. Twister No, you can't do that. Get this. Found Wings still continue. He is the father of this entire industry. Frankly the guy was mesmerizing I mean he knew how to command a stage? One former employee told about how once during convention he saw Gary actually backstage annoying babies with. Oil. These women were literally fawning all over him in handing him their babies. Dump this oil on their head and. Yeah I mean the guy was God like that's how I former employees described his. Young living says quote. The company has evolved far beyond its founders unique history to be sure Gary was a maverick within the industry and had strong beliefs about essential oils and their uses, but there are people like Nicole who have investigated Gary because young living is not all medical miracles and inspiring stories I spoke to this eighteen year. Old boy named a Gal who. told me that he's really worried about his mom's reliance on the oils. If I go to my mom and I, tell her that I am hurt. I scraped my knee. Her first instinct is to pull. How goes oils and not for state? He told me about how his momma dropped her appendix by instead of going to the doctor, she tried to treat herself with a young living oils. Even after she was admitted to the are in an excruciating pain had emergency surgery. She had using oils. She had this huge moon from her appendix rupture, and she would put oils onto her open ruined. I've been very forward with telling her lake. I don't think these oils really work. And she completely disregarded saying they're like. Oh, no! Jerry knows what he's doing. He was incredibly dangerous because this guy's not a doctor. Gary Story after the break. We expect a lot from our homes. They're more than a place to hang your hat there. Where you try your hand at gardening a new recipes, rest and recharge work and play, and that's why at homeadvisor we're committed to keeping your home up and running whether you need to repair an overloaded appliance, or you're looking to create a backyard retreat worthy of summer vacation use the homeadvisor APP day or night, and we'll find the local pro to get the job done right? Whatever you need will do everything to fix your everything. Download the HOMEADVISOR APP today to get started. Off. WHERE BACK! Young living owns nearly two thousand acres of farmland in Ecuador where it grows and experiments with oil producing plants. It also has a distillery there and a school. For young living members in search of a luxury retreat. There's also a clinic called. Nova Vida the website calls it an essential oils rejuvenation spa, but it offers more than just hot stone, massages and facials Nicole found that people there can get intravenous injections of essential oils. I spoke to this one former employee in the process of reporting the series. She don't want her name to be included in the story for fear of retribution, so let's call her Sophia to protect your privacy when talking to Sofia. She told me some pretty disturbing things about what she saw Ecuador. At the farm, there were just tens of people who had ib bags. That were just walking seriously, Donald the dead. It was so creepy. Sickening One of the most dangerous aspects of the oils is the false hope that they place and people who do have really serious illness and. They might be facing the possibility of death and they don't want to die, and they turn to anything any lost hope anything that can make them feel better anything that can save them. And they've you oils as their answer? People send their relatives down to Ecuador for Cancer Treatments, and they talked about it as if it was you know saving their lives. I spoke to another former employees. Let's call him. David you've changed his name and alternatives voice, because he fears retaliation for speaking about young living, and he told me that he actually saw Gerry treating local Ecuadorian man for cancer with these essential oil, IV treatments other forget that the poor gentleman was in a very poor house, and had kind of a Gurney, tight bed with ropes to help him get in and out of the bed. and. Gary had apparently provided them with a number of bags of. IV Solution Lady had kept in the freezer and then had taken these out of the Freezer and Let them. Thaw a little bit, and then connected or father up to the issues, and her father was in a great amount of pain. Gary goes over and he looks at the IV and you can still see a chunk of ice. In the center of the IT BAG! The Gary was frustrated at the lady couldn't understand his. Very broken Spanish and. When we learned that that gentleman died. They just didn't follow instructions. By their, we know if essential oils caused his death. That remains uncertain. Business insider has not seen an autopsy report and we don't know that the oils were the cause. When we asked young living about these allegations, it didn't respond. He may have been sick enough that he was going to die anyway, but he plays all this trust and Gary. The reason so many people trust Gary is because of his life story. Run area was in his early twenty s and nineteen seventy-three. He suffering a near fatal accident. which the channels? Again. It's a story that's told. A conventions referenced on company websites reenacted in promotional videos when young living founder and CEO de Gary Young, began using essential oils, following his recovery from a devastating accident. He didn't know that he was embarking on. A Journey would take the injuries from the accident devastating maintain broken bones, three open school fractures at ruptured spinal cord. Nearly a dozen ruptured spinal discs. He attempted to starve himself to death drinking only water lemon juice. And two hundred and fifty three days later, according to the story, he felt movement in this right toe, and he spent twenty seven months in a wheelchair before learning to walk again as a result of. Logging accident by come to the realization. That I only have one option that was either to accept or to do something about it. And this is where the story had a divergence, a little bit from what court records told me about accident, versus how his third wife Mary described the accident. According to Mary and plenty of young living promotional materials, surviving this logging accident was Gary's first miracle. Many of the formulas that we have he made for himself. He was always looking for things that would give him a little bit more strength. I'm mean according to their telling that accident was supposed to be banned of it for him. They left him out. In the hallway. Outside of the emergency ward because they knew he was going to die. But he didn't die. It was his. Introduction to the world of alternative health that Rocky Leslie saved him and gave him a renewed lease on life. The thing about Gary Is. She really seemed to have believed that he talked about a God given mission to get these oils into the hands of people who needed them because. People evade helped him. So He's in a hospital and he decides he's only going to drink water with lemon, no food and that's almost four year, and then he starts to feel a sensation toe, and he thought he was going to be paralyzed unable to walk after that he was wheelchair for twenty seven months before learning to walk again and. From there going on to live his life completely fine, and what is the truth according to court records? He did have a logging accident, but he was hospitalized then wheelchair bound for only four months. The same year as is accident, he went back to work as a part time trucker in British Columbia. So the twenty seven months that he says he was in a wheelchair. Around the same time, he was also working on a pipeline as a truck driver and doing a lot of other things exactly. and. That's not the only part of the story that doesn't add up. Young living's website and Gary's official biography say the company's roots go back to the early nineties. When Gary met his third wife, Mary, who by the way wrote that official biography according to the book, there is this happy, family. Scary Mary their two teenage boys they. Run this really wholesome company with religious influence and love the oils and everything is granted cheerful and happy. But, what's left out of the official biography of his life are? For example, eight other children from prior marriages that just not in the biography. Just, not there yeah, they're. They're all skipped over. They also skip over how one of his daughters died in the early nineteen eighties while he was trying to personally deliver her in real bath. Spokane Washington, Gary operated a health club, and he has six children with his first wife for the six. He delivered himself and he did it for a child, a baby girl. And she died, and according to a county coroner who told the local newspaper the time, the baby girl remain underwater for almost an hour before she was removed. The incident is for local authorities to begin looking into the sky. They began secretly investing Gary. Police officers poses a pregnant couples seeking medical advice. And Gary ended up offering them prenatal services and said he could treat cancer, and let's say that didn't go over well, and he was arrested imply guilty to practicing medicine without a license. At the time Gary, and his first wife for operating and herb, shoppe nutrition center, but after this he picked up and moved to California. He went on to open a healthcare company in San Diego along with the clinic. Right across the US Mexico border there. He offered a variety of treatments to cure diseases like cancer and Ms Bio, electrical cell activator therapy blood crystallization tests live sal, and Alice's administering IV's and intramuscular injections of vitamins and minerals. Lots of wacky things that related to the actual medical professionals when the state of California started looking into this. By the nineties Gary had been through three lawsuits and a stay in jail when we asked young living about Gary Story, they said quote. We are saddened at past events and actions by the company's founder, who is now deceased are being dredged up and mischaracterized. So what happens next is a regulus turn of events for Gary were his luck started to change for the better, and that was when he met his third wife Mary, and this is where the story of young living starts with Gary and Mary opening of farm and a distillery Gary started referring to himself as an indeed or naturopathic doctor he gave lectures on essential oils as As the missing link in modern medicine, essential oils have the ability because they are soluble with the lipids in the membrane to go through the sell your wall, and to carry with it nutrients their association with and making all sorts of promises about the powers of his oils to treat cure and prevent disease, because we discovered that hearing could be restored with the oil of hillock. Not only from loss of hearing, but from deafness. If you ever feel depressed or manic, depressant or suicidal, couple of drops rubber right there and they'll take it away. Many would sooner have chemotherapy than a bottle of lavender oil. Now this is something that's very exciting and people around the world started turning to oils instead of taking advil this started using them for cleaning eating. Even injecting Melissa. Armstrong was one of those people. She's an air force veteran. Who's friend told her in A. is that with a lot of prayer and you? PTSD will go away Having doubts about the oils after using them for a few years like when she tried using peppermint, your headache just made it worse or when she put some citrus oil, and with water, and instead the lining of her cup. If it's going to do that to a cup, what's it doing to my inside? And there were people bringing stuff like that up in groups and get. Kicked out for asking. Simple questions like. It was maddening. Because I was sold a bill of goods. She says she tried raising these issues young living's customer service, and while it didn't get her anywhere eventually, she stopped her living business altogether. Sophia, that former employees was on the other end of the customer service line answering desperate calls remember like Melissa as informed contraception people would put oils on their genitalia in hopes that it would act as a spermicide and people would get massive burns or ingesting it I mean none of these were told to do by the company, but there were several pieces of literature out there that were created either by Gary or in partnership with him that had several methods of using the oils that cause people harm. Young living told us it does not advocate the use of essential oils outside of the labeled usage instructions and the advice of any individuals medical doctors. As young living grew gary speeches and the six hundred and forty page essential oils desk reference book that he co wrote it all started attracting the attention of the government. Thing was though young living was so huge that point in fact Kyrie cut inches hop to a new stater. Talk his way out of things. Something seriously how to change. That's after the break. We're back from the beginning. Young living has been structured as a multilevel marketing company. A bunch of sellers in the company, but they're not salaried. They're not actual employees members, and they can quote unquote grow their business by recruiting more sellers underneath them to whom they will sell their products so I mean. How much does the structure of young living play into its ability to be so successful? For my reporting that the multi level marketing model is really successful and allowing young living to keep in technical compliance with FDA laws. The company itself. They're not explicitly making these claims are not explicitly saying that oils can treat XYZ disease. The problem though is other people are saying these things, and that's how these messages are being touted. Remember when Gary founded the company, he'd been in trouble with the law. There was only so much you could save the medical benefits of his products before he risked getting in trouble again. With the multilevel marketing structure. He didn't have to do all the talking. He had thousands of members spreading the gospel of young living through word of mouth, and bringing in others discredited along with them way you can really make money in this business by recruiting people, and then you can earn their commission. Do Do people who are selling young living actually make money from it. You know some people do the thing though is, that's pretty rare. Eighty nine percent of all members make an average of four dollars a year in commission and bonuses. Dollars for dollars. Yeah, and that doesn't include any expenses. Members can even lose money trying to sell essential oils. That's what Miguel says happened to his mother, not only did she try to treat her burst appendix with young living products. He says she also lost thousands of dollars. My Dad would sometimes pull me aside saying that lake. Your mom is Blake overcharging the credit card on young living purchases. I talked to several former members who told me that they actually spent more on the Clinton products, and they actually made Nicole with a multilevel marketing expert to analyze young living's income statements, and found that the top one percent of members receive more than seventy percent of the companies commission payments that means people at the top are raking it in while most members are not we asking living about this and the company said it's income statement. Quote is clear and provides a realistic view of the opportunity for potential members as in many other well respected business models. The success of participants varies greatly. Gary. Himself appeared to do well. He bought private planes and horses, and a one point, three million dollar home in salt, Lake, city, and then they money and some oddball projects he he loves jousting, so he had the company constructed jousting arena so that he could decked out and armor go out in joust on a horse. He wants proposed building an amusement park that was to be a quasi I essential oil slash religion type experience. Luckily never ended up coming in different, but it was something that he wanted, and that management had kinda say you can't do this. That Management Team, who stopped Gary from building an essential oils Disneyland. That's the buoy. That's kept his company afloat. Gary might have been running the show, but as the years went on, his business became bigger than him, and he had a team of employees whose job it was to keep him in line. That's what several former employees told. Nicole including David when I first got there, there was very little. Review of labels and literature and things like that and so. That was one of the first things that I did was trying to set up systems, but most of the stuff had to be run through the and a lot of times. Throughout the course of my tenure there, it took some convincing. Put it gently David said that he and other young living employees how to do this delicate dance, trying to negotiate with Gary. They had to convince him that even if he really believed oils colossus forever because they've found an ancient Egyptian tombs. They still needed to put expiration dates on the bottles or The Times that they had to remove gear. And d from the labels because he wasn't an actual doctor. We had it taken often. Times found its way back on a number of times we take. Again and then. Story Ashley it would appear back on you. Go and talk to the people. Gary told us that we had to do this and. Yes it was. It was a challenge. For a long time, the young staff couldn't really control, Gary, so he pretty much side whatever you want to go a lot of times, even though we would warn him that he. Couldn't say things about. How? He would do it anyway around our back or at a convention where you know, he's on stage in their home. Two thousand people out in the audience. You would just say stuff. He would present ex. Racing oil kills me in this way talk. So some. Of My spine would get up on stage and tell all of these people all of these wonderful. That I really think he himself believed. And that's what created. The following in Gary is almost a quasi religious figure. He would really talk about healing powers of oils specifically, that's feel a former young living employees. Again he would tell the story about how his son had cut his hand and was bleeding everywhere and like he was. Prompted by God to grab this oil import on his hand, and then he saw the blood coagulating in the hand. And how he talks about taking Mary out of menopause with oils, so that she could bear their two children. We asked young living about these specific allegations, and it didn't respond. Young living's employees tried to keep Gary from flagrantly breaking the rules, but for the most part he made whatever claims he wanted out the medical powers of the oils. You have these rules out there. The FDA rules for example. And you have a voluntary system of compliance. And if you decide not comply. Nothing happens unless you're caught. And so that was always a struggle is if we decided not to complain, and Gary headed complied for years, nothing happened because he was so small, and so there was a constant battle in trying to get. Jerry to see that the risk in noncompliance was not worth whatever gain he thought he get. By twenty fourteen young living wasn't so small anymore. It had over a thousand employees and five hundred and thirty thousand active members around the world. The next year it would surpass one billion dollars in annual sales then one day in September two, thousand, fourteen. It received a letter. FDA has been investigating websites and social media accounts from young living members ended I gave the company warning letter, saying that they needed to stop members from making false claims about the medical powers of oils. They discover the some members were making claims with oils could treat conditions like Ebola Parkinson's disease autism hyper attention. Cancer Insomnia Heart Disease Dementia Multiple Sclerosis You name it was that well. How did young living respond? They had a compliance team that. Was Monitoring Social media scouring the Internet and making sure that members weren't making inappropriate claims. And young employs redouble their efforts to keep Gary and their members in line. So every time he spoke, we had a compliance department come in, and they had a flashlight at the back of a room and every time he got close to making a claim. You know health claim about a certain oil than they would sit there and flash the light. They also changed the way they talked about the oils. Basically, if they slightly rephrased how they talk about them, they could get away with suggesting that. The oil cell can cure disease, but not explicitly saying that for example the oil cures cancer. Young living didn't respond to questions about this letter from the FDA or how the company addressed the regulator's concerns, but less than a year after receiving the letter, Gary did explain the strategy to a group of young living members at a retreat on a farm in the middle of Idaho. We are going to fool them big time. This recording was leaked business insider by a former employee. Story. School. Again the former young living employees recalling calling Sophia. He thought that the FDA was hindering. What his potential was towards spreading the good word, he went on to tell us group that when it comes to the letter of the law need to follow the FDA. Comes to religious health that has no jurisdiction. City people. Do what he at the moment! Because it may. Have Been. And you know. He's got laughing here are. The. Only. There's absolutely not. The U. law say about the cervical use of euros. Company, even created a save. This is not that documents is help members what they can and cannot say so I'm looking at the document right now, and it has a green thumbs up I say this on the left hand side, and a red thumbs down on the right for not that. Say for example diffuse joy for warming comforting aroma, but you can't say I diffuse Choi to treat might depression. You can say I. Applied Frankencense topically to help smooth appearance of healthy looking skin. That's great, and you can see that, but you can't say I apply Frankencense topically on the spot on my arm, but looks like skin cancer, so like not saying this is why you should help your arthritis or your skin cancer exactly yes. Vigilant about that I mean if you go on these private facebook group and joined up you. Knew people that are very very cautious. If you look in the comment section where people are asking questions about things they say, make sure you stay in compliance. Yeah I mean. They don't want their company this shutdown. They love young living, but even with all the new restrictions employees struggled to rain gary in he continued making unproven medical claims in private. He was hard to control. And that's honestly the biggest contradiction of young living. They're trying to be this legitimate company and sell their products and do things correctly, and they brought in all these people who frankly a lot of former employees. I talked to were pretty skeptical of essential oils. That tension between the employees doing everything they can to keep the company in line. Versus members who are joining this company, because yeah, it think it could. Potentially he'll XYZ disease, and when the founder of the company also supports the sword ideology, not conducive cocktail. Here again is David a former employee at young living most of the people that Gary and I. TOOK ASLI surrounded himself with saved him and his company. Despite him. And we often said. The company is as big as it is because Jerry. Company is small as it is because of Jerry. Jerry died in twenty, eighteen, one hundred thousand people around the world tuned in to watch the live stream of funeral perjure on horses carried his casket that was topped with a cowboy hat. His wife Mary, who's a former opera, singer, sang heartfelt tribute. According to the company, Gary died from complications from a series of strokes. But according to one of his sons from his first marriage, she. died of cancer. Why would the company say? He died of something that perhaps he didn't die of. You know if it's true, we can never know for sure what they were thinking, but when talking to one of Gary Sons, he told me that he believes that Mary in the company lied to the public. Because of the way they claim young living can fix everything. She was worried that this would ruin young living if the truth came out that he really passed away of cancer. And that these essential oils, he spent decades claiming that. He could cure cancer if that's what he ultimately succumbed to. Young living didn't respond to our questions about Gary Death. They told US quote. The company has instituted robust compliance practices and complies with applicable laws. As it is today, young living is a health and wellness company that strives to make the world a better place. Today young living has over six million members around the world. In recent months, some members have falsely promoted the oils as a way to prevent the spread of covid nineteen. The company says it actively searches for and removes improper covert related claims, including business opportunity claims made by members elsewhere. Young living is facing class action lawsuit that alleges it is quote nothing more than a cult like organization, falsely peddling the ever loose of promise of financial success and an alternative lifestyle. When we asked you living about these allegations, it didn't respond. Young living has a company that was. Created by this guy that was very passionate. He truly loved these oils and its products for his life. It may not have been fast to may not been reality, but it was his reality, and that was all that mattered. Gary may be gone, but what? He left in his wake as an industry that's filled with his ideas, those beliefs inspire people to buy and sell and use young living essential oils. 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