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497 - Jeffrey Fowle

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

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497 - Jeffrey Fowle

"You're listening to the dollop bilingual american history. And the only thing. We're on the all things comedy network. Where each week. I where of watches man. Who likes sandwiches lover of cheese. Dave anthony reads chief painted of yourself there from american history to a guy i know named gareth reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Hey congrats on that cheese. That's quite a credit and wisconsin. You could have your own theater. There's the you guys have so much cheese the wet cheese and a bag and pretend like it's good. I'm sorry if you're trying to hurl. Kurt accusations this way. I'm david for a better battle. It's a battle you can win reality. it's a cheese reality. What's your problem. You don't like a fucking disgust and you don't like a watery cheese nana bag have you ever. 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We'll be there for that caroline's on this. I'll be caroline's headlining in new york city. That's where they make the good salsa september twenty four th september twenty fifth caroline's two shows a night at seven and nine thirty. You can go to my website. Gareth reynolds dot com for information on all this then. Also be at the stress factory in bridgeport connecticut. October first and october second. Join me check you out. Yeah they sound so much happier when they're in this studio as opposed to consume. Yeah yeah yeah better. Experience turns out when. You're trying to do comedy improv. Together it helps to be in the same timing that the no lag in time helps it really does. When you're you're looking to see if the other guy saying something. Nineteen fifty eight year of our lord. Jesus christ hayes christo. Jeffrey edward foul was born in a winter park to parents. Edward and virginia okay. Edward was in the air force. Okay at an air force base there in florida. And then he was transferred to a base outside dayton ohio. When jeffrey was young okay. So that's jeffy grew up in ohio. They built a house in nearby beaver. Creek share it. Which i'm sure in which all of the papers have been killed. I think there's a beaver creek. In every midwest there has to be state beaver dam creek or beaverton. Sheriff yeah right yeah right. Something where the beavers do they a lot to be resumed. We killed them all now. We have we got on beaver over your so. We named this whole town beaverton. And nobody's done anything like this except for seven states that surround us basically. Where can i see the beavers now. Well unfortunately you're not going to be able to see much of that what you're going to. It's a regular down now. Used to be riddled with beavers. But not anymore because many reasons but mainly we were looking to open it a by like thirty hours. Is that look identical. So we opened like dirty allergies that are have like minor tweaks For the most part but yes so does no beavers but some people say at night. If you listen closely you can hear their screams. Why are they screaming Because they were murdered callously. Yes yeah to in order to take over the area. Yeah so then you still kept the name though. Well of course we. What are we gonna do. Jason what are we going to call it. Sounds like everywhere else. Nah but some people say if you close your eyes you will see an apparition of beaver and he will haunt you. Perpetually don't wanna live here. yeah a lot of people because we don't have a gym so so they regularly. The family regularly went to Saint mark's episcopal church church but then edwards started having like wandering religious i. He's checking on other religions. Okay i thought this was going to be like he was thinking of sleeping with sleeping around but no he's now he's lease sleeping with other churches. So yeah right. He's the he's the deity bachelor. That's right i'm open. Hey what's going on over there with bet. Baptism what's up. I had a great time with you the other night. I'm just hopeful that you would love to be a part of this. Because i know that you and lutherans have been talking and maybe should have the same kind of hot. I agree i have for you. I wanna take upstairs and just rip everything off that bull. You'd put a baby. Let's then i'm going to get super baptist right now you're rain that's great fucking holding snakes and shit that's Sorry excuse me. I think you're talking about us with that. I think you're talking about us. That is not. They do not do that. That's what we do we're pentecostal. Hey what's up. let's get crazy. I get so confused when it gets to the snakes. Well sake one kind of snake thing. I'm the snake one right. So what are we doing. Fucking well sure we will after the venom courses through us and that's how we know that our connection to the lord is strong. You don't need to put your hand up your the charge of the show. I have the venom. Well yeah i think. Technically i think i have a biblical perspective. So here's what's happening ahead. You're talking about your trouser snake. I am talking about actual venomous snakes. That will put onto our arms and necks and then when they bite us will be okay. Because if there's one thing that this particular religion gets rid of its poisoned from bodies so i just wanted to fuck until i had orgasm. That was my sort of totally in the cards for us. After the snakes have are way. Cut the snake absolutely not. There's no religion vm. Going to go. Check out my lutherans over here eight sort of crazy so he gets into this church called the worldwide church of god and the reason why is because he the guy who started it with us. Tv and radio to get to people all over the world. Okay commercials and charity stations. So the religion was based on the old testament and a british israeli azam which said that white's of britain were descended from king. David okay sure i mean. We're pretty specific of course and why would be of course again. I mean there we are. Just hey we're we're a british whites we we gotta have something really fucking awesome. The idea that if there is god she put us down here and basically made our skin star trek uniforms. And so we're a tiered world of people who are like why the captains and what a judge we're the whites where the picard we had a board meeting or school board meeting today in three dudes called up to discuss crt critical race theory. How jesus christ. None of whom are parents in the district. Oh my gosh just random. Why bros. a lot. My kids to live near any other schools that are teaching one guys are more counties like i might move their county. Can you believe that so. I'm going to have a rebuttal. The next night i can't it's going to be so edward dives into his his new church. Okay they're not the same rules a lot of other religions at christmas so he bands the family from from enjoy goes over well with children instead ally and if it wasn't he's dead so instead he they were just going to celebrate new testament celebration. And that's yeah. Those are the best that's fund so then in late nineteen sixty seven. He takes the kids out of school one day and drives to the poconos. I like this religion were they celebrated the feast of the tabernacles share. Which we all know. Yes it's a big run think. Jewish people celebrate that. But i'm not but what's great about this religion able to it's a bit of a pope are- khuda replayed of god. What's his sure. It's when you eat at different pieces of shark with geez which remains me. The best kind of hates me from earlier. It's not good okay. I'll go away so this this trip did not go over a two well. One son jamie ran through window and cut his eyelids open. I read that four times. He ran through window. I read this lab blinking and the boys cards and more. That's bad. how do you see because it doesn't it. Sounds like he didn't cut the is. Just cut the eyelids open for. There's a lot of there's gonna be some. I d i because you need moisture in there so if you have problems with your leads. I don't think it's it's not great. It's one of those things we take. We take for granted all the time where it's like where eyelids causing like there. You go that will keep the going and we're like got something in my eye all day. It's like perfect perfect. You lose those. It's not great. It's fucked saw. What's called clockwork orange isis or rocky itis iraqi itis so another daughter lynn. While they were in the poconos came down with pneumonia so not a great trip. Maybe maybe this religion has given us some red flags. I believe that. A good religion challenges. You okay so when when that was over. Virginia has done with edwards new bullshit religion. She goes back to say marks k. So well with the kids with two kids okay. So the leader of the worldwide eyelids here so the leader of the worldwide church now tells his flock that they either serve god or the government. Oh my gosh now edwards in the air force so he leaves the airforce. Wow and he'd been a member for thirteen years page and he built up as god but then he goes back to work on the base as a private consultant. So he's doing the same fucking job without the benefits god. God hades made him get rid of the fat scott as benefits. Can people don't realize that. So weird gods. Like god hates bennett tells. Cash should be attached to your job. Yes we understand. It is confusing and same stock. You're adding far too many layers but we shall disperse your language. Third surgeons are for say to news. I'll case certainly strange. People love us security nets but understandable. Your i plan bones shoot. You said i care plan. That's right okay. I guess a lot of swertz been no. We had an eye care plan so and you no longer held delta dental how come on what's is there. Still a co pay. There's no copay because you don't have it it's gone. It's a benefit. Christ no likey. Let's just james at a tree. Get him i'm your boss. So the family family's split now. The two kids island. Two kids are going with virginia. Saint marks to the kids go with dad to the worldwide chair. while which. Jeffrey is one of those jeffrey. Good go go with this guy. I like him but then when he turns twelve. He's like i'm done. I'm jerry's done with churches. Okay okay. so he stopped going to church completely but he's still religious in high school Jerry's in the photo and chess clubs and also the bible club. He's but but it's like it's also like it just shows you. How wrong is just making terrible decisions. Because he's like look data. I love god and religion. You're just fucking it all up you going with the crazy shit. Yeah yeah what about god but without the shit like christmas i mean really and also by the way what's great even if you don't go to church can really celebrate christmas hagenbach that show otherwise there's a war on it so The troops from the war on christmas you hear did not so a neighbor said That geoffrey was nerdy Quiet but friendly okay. Now the cold war is really happening. Now in jeffrey becomes very fascinated with communist countries Here we go here. We go and he starts obsessively reading about the soviet union. Okay as all kids. Yes very yes. It's awesome after high school. He goes to the agricultural institute of ohio and while he was there he took russian classes. Okay so he's learning how to speak russia and then one night in college. He has a dream play. It is a swiss. It's god play with russian. Lord these russian you know a picture of american accent is so westernize for to image. It got here for your accent. What the eagle you here you go you hear. Do you know there's a good junior. He's aware eagle. We do have an eagle where eagle loses an eagle country. No no eagle eagle eagle. You go eagle no ego like chris. What noise eagle make a really great. So he has his dream when he's in college and in the dream he's looking down on this revival. That's happening in this valley. Sure and he's not liking them and he's saying bad things about them and then behind him he hears quote. Don't make fun of them. They are sincere in what they do. Obviously that's god Who else would be behind you talking. It's only one fisher thing. So after god says that a mist comes and jeffrey's like well i'm being cleansed okay because that's all that dream missed. Yeah it's a dream. Think he's ejaculated now. No no no. Why does that too dirty. It's just a guy having an amazing religious having a missed you know. And i don't just a guy what normally when i wake up and i go no well. He did wake up and his pillow soak with tears. Yes oh tears okay. So now jeffrey's like well. Clearly god has a plan for me. Sure what else would you take away from that. And maybe that's the cave without the eyelids. He's been walking around and it's like could be that. Yeah okay. that's very specific. I get so now. The senate big impact on many graduates the degree in agriculture in nineteen eighty. Three and he gives away. Everything else keeps this car but it gives away everything and then he packs what he can into his eight rambler. I think he just needed room for the car but he was like. I'm being magnanimous. So he's got an eighty eight rambler ambassador. I don't even know what that is. I know what it is. I know the exact gremlin. Yeah i know but was it. Was it always a rambler ambassador. I don't have any idea what kind of car this. I'm just picturing a grandma and has to be like i feel like every from them was basically a gremlin. And you're gonna find a picture. But i so i. I wonder if there's different rambo types or whatever so he packed what he has left okay and he drives across the country. Death valley right. Yeah that's what you do for. Sure is there you go so people don't value. It's the hottest fucking cool chill place to live and raise a family not worry about. That's right it's a year away from every. Do you want to fry egg in your hand years. You're spot. I give you a great example of how hot does values. I went there. When i was like twenty three or something and i was driving around with my hands on the steering wheel and i didn't realize but my knuckles were cooking through the windshield. They they were like all hardened and try to my hand so he gets to. The valley drives to kane smart by the way. These are where. It's where you want to be in death. Valley get get canco better. Yeah he parks his car and then he writes note and he puts it under the windshield wiper and the note says whoever finds his car can keep it may take the title of the glovebox inputs dementia wiper to jesus and then he walks off into the canyon. Death valley okay. It's all also. Did i tell. It's called death valley for a reason. It's because you die there. It's so hot and it's right erin that you'll die there right so what he's thinking of was christ fast for forty days. You know that makes sense. A lot of people said that was basically the ambassador of fasting. So we're talking about the rambler ambassador. The rambler ambassador absolutely so anyone ambassador. No but that's just how he is so he doesn't eat for four days. Okay all he has with him is a federal. I assume bedroll bedroom. I assume you had water. But what's a bedroll. Like little things matt described as like a yoga mat these games. It's almost like that sort of version of things. He must have had water or he was thing near plate because there are places where there is water like we're the pup fissured share but not a lot of water right someone who you walk on for four fucking days he. He was running into other people who are also on like spiritual walks like. It's a dying dying. I can't find my car. Yeah spirit just want to get to my honda. Four of my friends died on my wall so he walks around four days without eating and then on the fifth day just like christ. Jeffrey goes back to his car. Jesus and they're the note he's been removed. It was the rangers found the car. And hey man. You can't just fucking leave a car out here and just say people can have it and they'd taken they'd taken the title put back in the globe. Feel like that would not be done now at no would tow it in a fucking make money so obviously. This is an amazing spiritual adventure. He he stays in california for a little while after that working on jobs and then heads back to ohio and moves in with his parents. Were somehow still married. And jeffrey then decided to take the officers exam for the air force pilot but he has bad eyesight and he can't do it and they're like what about working other part navigation or whatever and so he goes okay and he goes to texas to take the officers training program k. Immediately folks out okay. Good in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. He takes a job with the street department in moraine ohio okay clearing snow in the winter and fixing cracks and whatever in the summer okay dream job what you do with agricultural degree. Yeah yeah you go to the streets. New street st cloud right and put tar got a good holiday this ta on the job vacation. He had written that. He was familiar with spanish german and russian and the pilot's license. Okay i couldn't find any hit. Something he said so who knows right around this time decided he wanted to start traveling and to see quote the dark corners of the world. Now i'm more like hey what's hawaii like. What's comes to riga like. Should i go put in chicago. It and find anything places not to not visit or should i see what's really bad. What do people hate. I wanna go to a place. That's really really awful. I need a place where i wanna leave. I'm just trying to appreciate my bed. Seven of you make me cry. The whole time there and feel dread. How can i live in the ocean. So he sees a commercial for tours of the soviet union And then books trip to you. Imagine seeing commercials. Now i know. I just can't i can't imagine i mean i wish if you weren't around then how fucking crazy right wing about like russia and and you know reagan out of his fucking mind so the fact that there were ads on you go there. Yeah so he goes the leningrad. Moscow come to russia show people round that. See the good look at all. These things were better than yoshito. Your shit all come to russia. Learn about the. did this family. After dinner idea sheet that did a stint for russia. Baby i one country. I don't how many of these songs beatles right about your shithole come to russia. Best place on earth mother russia. You want to feed the beer to bear. Is sky's limit. Come on now this is. They want blue jeans trip that. Why did that replace the grim reaper. Real whatever you want just getting bus come on foot face scared goddamn bus going russia. Why are we taking a bus to russia. These fine does worry. We're going to rush new jersey. It doesn't mean anything. Shut your fucking. What your prisoners. What the fuck just happens is call nair but russia in bus connors worse than russia. Let what movie you watching so leningrad. Moscow totally fine and he goes to turkmenistan. Which is really a goddamn nightmare. Okay turkmenistan is like what trump crazy. Sorry what if trump was crazy. I mean the dude that dude at one point and there's a new guy who's oh you mean there's a go to guy was like okay no more dogs. You can't have dogs on the capital. He just shit like that. Then the next guy came in was like i love dogs. I made a statue for dogs and it was like everybody has doug. It's it's really not you must all have dogs. It's i mean we can do a whole podcast about took it's really. I recommend people just read about it so anyway he also around this time starts putting his russian language skills to work by answering ads for russian brides in the back of singles magazines. Okay now tell you meet ladies. He's not good with the ladies so he needs like i do. I understand it. It's just like come on. That's not good. I knew a guy when i was working at a working to workman's comp and and there was an older guy there and his wife got a job at the place and she was philippino berry. He's like old and heavy and balding nothing attractive about him and she's like young and hot and she was clearly had a boyfriend on the side and it turns out like you know she was a mallard or brad situation. That's here and it was really cool. And she had three years to go before she could divorce and there was a countdown happening. You didn't have to put a clock so yeah to me. It's a weird thing like you sure you could fall in love that way. It's still just just because of the way. We've i'm skeptical the way americans with the way we do things. It's so alien to us and yet there's a bunch of dudes order life. It's also like. Jeffrey is a guy who can't meet. He's terrible can't meet them and then you go. Yeah well i mean honest. Like i don't know enough i mean there's these women want out like they want to do whatever i i'm not gonna sit here and fucking critique it i. I agree so jeffrey had at some point joined a baptist church and through the church in one thousand nine hundred six. He was part of dayton's friendship force by the way they did some great stuff. Good friendship ing. Yeah like like you. Imagine a free like a friendship force. I would be like listen. You get back you fuck intent and get the fuck outta my face where your friend there. A for like a space for but for french. Yeah you're under arrest your our best friend. That's how friendships work now. We're gonna hang out so this french. Let's play rummy what. Let's play rummy together. I don't wanna play around. That's four. I don't want to do your part of the friendship. Said we're not leaving. It's good enjoy palpable. No tennis no how. 'bout connect four again. No have you connect four forceful connect floors. Full is what i am. I let me tell you something about connect four. Have you played it. Yeah do you know the deal your point of the game. What what's the point. Four in what. What do you mean in. Get the four in a row. Yeah yeah what. Don't we have a common pell everything. Gosh i can't imagine my life before you walked into it. I can and i do all the time. Get jack the others name. I don't i don't even know you. This is very aggressive. You will go to jail if you're not my best friend. This is crazy aggressive friendship. And i'm not going to jail. No one's gonna arrest me. There's no cop is gonna be like. Hey you're not disguise go ahead you miss me. No walk the other way. I was going this way before. So i'm gonna go the way i was going to go. You can turn if you wanna go front pal. Okay all right me too no. Let's go to town. So he's part of dayton's friendship force that went to croatia and sarajevo. Like god we're looking to be your friends. We don't care when it ends where france it's friendship clown grab a hand. Grab a hand and make a friend in his. never gonna. we're fred's raccoons way shah. Hey a ride. Let's get back on the plane. Lots of rain. Well here's the crazy thing. So the bosnian war was going to say he's plan peace accords in dayton ohio. What yeah that's where it was like all resolve that so okay so we are at the data. Mary relieving tensions between nations continental breakfast. You walk into a wrong ballroom. We bought the three this wedding this one for wedding this johnson wedding disease johnson optionals get say so like i said. Jeffrey is fascinated by their countries. And he's obviously traveling places and then he became very interested in the country called north korea. Famine hit the news in the mid nineties. Welcome to buzzwords now in nineteen ninety eight. He signed up with an agency that paired american women ladies and other countries that paired a women american women or men american men with women and they send me catalog. Oh my god. I mean again. I'm trying to relate it to like dating apps and it's not that much different. Yeah it's not so. He picked some russian women and one iranian woman. Okay and started writing them okay. And he made a connection. Sheriff one for like a year. He wrote to this russian lady. Tatyana chombe here will start calling tanya. Because that's what she goes by okay and he goes to visitor. She's fifteen years younger okay. So he's about forty she's about twenty five and then a couple of months later it goes back to again and then she finds back with him to the us July she has to marry him within ninety days. Or go back. I i'm a fucking idiot and there's surely people who watch that show i. I'm pretty sure that's what ninety fiance is. I'm pretty sure it's basically like something like that. Where they fly out and they see how it goes an. Have you seen negative afraid. That's just me running around with the bat schools. So you don't get to talk about me. I swear to god naked and afraid as a dating show. And i was like guys. Come on. come on remember what made the brand good now. Naked and afraid coppell's cooking. Yeah so they get married on day. Ninety one september twentieth two thousand. She gets his job as a hairstylist. They started having kids three kids and four years. Jeez go to church every sunday. Jeffrey quote you don't hear the term mail order bride anymore. I guess geyser ashamed to call it that nowadays. But i never understood the stigma myself. Okay okay yeah it works. Yeah sure and just seems to work so jeffrey certain and that seems to work forever for a while they seem to. They seem to be doing fine okay. Jeffrey started spending hours online looking at human rights reports and north korea. As you do. I don't know what else. What else do you do online to be fair. If you're going to look up. North korea may as well start around their human rights. He read books about the experience of north korean refugees escape from camp fourteen and only beautiful please and then. Jeffrey traveled alone to russia in two thousand thirteen. Okay so he also when he goes on these when he goes on these trips he likes to go alone he likes to be alone and when he's there he tells tanya that he's going to try to get into mongolia. Okay now mongolia's demo democracy. So i'm not exactly sure what the at this point it's a democracy so i'm not sure what the thing was. But she begs him not to. She's like don't don't do that because maybe he didn't have permission him. That might be sure. Anyway guards caught him trying to walk across the border one morning at two. Am okay. i mean. I like that. That's your thing. When they're closed borders are the opposite of bars. They open at night so the guards were like you could die because you're walking in the middle of nowhere. It's what what did you guys are looking for my keys. That's just a just miles and miles of nothing that you're walking into like it's kohl's i go. No you'll die like we don't want you. You're just walking. You don't quest to find my car keys. They were here. And i had them here you will. This is not how you do it. Have you guys seen a set of keys. Anyone hand in any. He's no for ford. No for a of maybe have rod an ambassador rambler. That seems like it's okay. All right okay. Well i'll just go this way then while you're walking. You're walking backwards. So the next day he got on a bus full of italian tours and went into mongolia. Time okay. There was no more about that story. Just he's determined to do things and he does but it's also seems like in that circumstance. He's determined to do things like the foolish bad. Well yeah because it's not like i said. I looked up mongolia and they had like a democratic revolution and there's democratic country there. Yeah i mean it's not like it's hard to do. He was just like they were just like. You ought to take the bus tomorrow. He's like sounds like a trapped like it's really not password and you just buy a bus ticket rather dig if you walk. It's eighty miles to the next. What's that in bus. So he comes back and when he gets back he's his thirst for. Traveling is not quenched. And he started looking at travel agencies. The do tours of north korea. Here we go again. It's just it's not on most people's vacation hotspot list. Although i am super intrigued and i would do it in a heartbeat. I would absolutely go. But i mean it would not i would never be like. I'm going to get someone have to do. You wanna go. I'd be like fuck y'all go. Yeah without love to go there of grocery stores where you're just like this is just a picture of soup and then one day. He bought crean for beginners on amazon. So he's thinking about the language sure right and while bought that book on amazon. The site native suggestion for another book. A korean english study bible. Bible korea my passions and it's turquoise colored is an actual translation of the bible. It is yes it's a it's a. I think it's a way to study english using the bible way to study korean using the by allow. Okay right so awesome. what a gotta shop for. it's how you learn. that's how i learned. Followed up his amazing. Do you want a career bible okay. So he had read the north. Korean schoolteachers sometimes recruited kids to fine christians. Who were hiding out. Because it's illegal to be a christian there. Okay quote go home and look for a shiny black book with strange reading on the cover. Bring it to school tomorrow. I wish we did that here. Yeah well based on what's happened recently. That's time yes. The state department warns americans not to travel to north korea. but it's not forbidden. You can go. it's not like cuba. Which would be what a horrible thing. That'd be if we on there and be tourists and and Scott oh my god and then those people would have money and they'd be able to survive know don't revolt against us otherwise you end up on the nautilus. Let us do what we liked. The that's the policy. So north korea allows tourists but only an authorized america. Just show like if america or person it would just show up to parties. It wasn't invited to eat everything and then it got kicked up the focus. Your problem so you can only go unauthorized groups. If you create you can't just travel there and walk around one please. I would like to walk around. Your country demilitarized zone. This cute so about eight thousand. People travelled there from western countries in two thousand fourteen so not a lot but you know they'll jeffrey tells tanya he wants to go okay. She's not surprised based on his past solid. she's also like well when you're reading. The north korean bible is kinda the flag say books at ten day trip run by corio. Tours accompany company out of beijing to the best awesome. It costs four thousand dollars. Okay not that much. I know but still any. That's the problem with my mind and travel booking the idea of partying with four grand for ten days. Yea yeah the the way it will work. Is they'd start in beijing. All the whole group would go in beijing and then go to quote famous ornate. Pyongyang metro okay to the famous metro. They would also see quote. Parts of the country never before seen by foreign is and many ways that's horrifying. Everyone really lives in the underground cell normally show people but obviously not true because there's other people that have taken the tour right. Yeah right so besides those. You're the first ones so jeffrey packs. He's packing a suitcase. And tanya comes in and sees the turquoise bible and asked him to police not take that right because it's illegal right but if he did need to take it she said leave it in beijing but it up your ass and put up your fucking a balloon and swallow it and i want pictures so even beijing before you go to north korea. Right tonya quote. He didn't even hear me. He seems so distracted so focused like he was packing for some important mission. Sure yeah. I'll take it to north korea. But i'll take it with me. Don't worry i'm not gonna beijing. That'd be crazy. I do that. Beijing Get it well. He was also focused on something else at the moment because he was putting a deflated basketball suitcase. Honey you're distracting. I'm trying to get all the and it's fucking thing. Could you just give me a minute. He's just. I'm trying to understand how hard it is to get the air out of a spalding by the way getting air out the basket pa. Yeah yeah okay. I think you can also reverse the way a pump work sometimes If i recall correctly. I think that's on sex. Only oh god you listen to all things comedy. The so he turns out he had. He had gone to a harlem globetrotters game when they came to dayton a few months before were so good and he got the shit out of that other team got them all. Sign the basketball guys. I'm forty can you sign this. Not for my son all for me. He told them that. The ball was headed for north korea. Hey guys i need you to sign this. I'm going to take it to north korea. I'm going there soon. I'll take a bible. My wife's live guys. Were all the same age. Will you signed by ball. He told them his dream was to present to kim. Jong is give it to the dictator of the nation. The man who is known for imprisoning citizens for any sort of talk that he doesn't like and killing people indiscriminately. I wanna give it to him guys signed to cam. It's a man's name differ. And i know but i'm going there who love basketball baby. I've got a great idea. Not only taking the bible. But i'm taking this globetrotter ball and you were worried. You're such a warrior. So jeffrey also put a photo of his family. And it's gonna take close. I think it's just the ball the bible and the picture you guys and then i'll packed and this chair and as chair and it's rocking chair just will not get in chevy puts a photo of his family inside the bible impacts it that way. They'll know who you are. There could come kill you because you're associated with it. Yeah yeah one of the family. Yeah show picture of the family so kurth can see how everybody looks so. That's the family. That's him ha. Yeah he looks. They look the kids. Look russian yeah. Looks like he's the kind of guy who takes a bible the north korea. He does really really fucking does i. Don't believe in consequence with my my impression and i think you can think about. This story goes on. I think he's really fucking dumb. I think he's a dumb man. I don't think he's bright nice guy. Let's see where the story goes to see where this story goes feeling once kim jong un and sees this by globetrotter ball on board. That's what happens. They find the bible you. Then you go. But i also what the bible so he puts the picture in. He also writes his family's names their address and phone number in their plan is to art. He's going to drop the bible somewhere in the northern territory's going to drop it. He's literally gonna drop it he he. He figures that up in the northern territories the areas far away from young in which is obviously the main capital that up there christian undergrounds people who are underground christians hiding from government and doing their christian stuff well they would find it and then they could use the bible and his bible could be used by an entire community i and because he could his name and address and a photos of family the entire community would know who brought it to the my god. God it's a good idea. I mean the frog's leap less. That is un fucking believable and he also is basically just trying to get the bible experience. That's already been had for his own. Basically trying to be like. I wrote the bible. But he's basically moses with the commandment yeah he wants to be like a guy who did something really important. I talked to god. He said get this. There's an amazon receipt here. Did take the fuck out. Don't come on that really takes the shine off. It's you know what it reminds me of. It reminds me of when you're a kid and you're fantasizing about making that last shot or hitting the home run to right better for him. This is his fantasy too. Yeah like that's his version of this. Oh by god tab. He dropped the by the tweed. Those blush as there's no way anti the guards are going to be able to five that that is purely gonna be fab by the citizens outside a pr gag. Our whole community is now christian based on this one guy. This this is a seed that will provide harvest for decades jeter believable stuff here from our crazy jeffrey. It's just it's michael jordan of bat. Shit bible drops. Because it's really fucking crazy. It's crazy it's it's all crazy but it's crazy to have never gone. They're not illegal and have this plan. That involves like if someone were to be like. Hey don't take drugs into a country and you got the drugs into a country and then you're like now drop them like wait. What yeah no. It's you did the hard part if someone told you this would be like what. Yeah wow no. Why would you do any of that by the way like. There's not one bible in the country right. I mean they've never the bible if you're if you're a christian and you're in these northeastern territories and you're hiding from the government. You guys have got all kinds of shift work. Why don't you do what the bible did and just rewrite the fucking going to the mountains. I'm pretty sure. I know it was translated one more time. The bible is telephone. It is so okay. So that's the plan right. Good and like i said it's insanely illegal to have a bible insanely illegal to have a by enjoying having this stakes reset and so his plan was the bible did. If it was found by authorities he would just say accidentally left it dropping dropped my bible right flank which everybody does fuck drop a bible once in a while. Your bibles i've dropped on a trip man. I don't think i've ever even held one. So since he had the created in the hotel drawer start a whole revolution so since he had a korean language workbook. also he'd say the bible workbook is how he was learning korean and loops. I dropped it. Full-proof foolproof so on april. Two thousand fourteen thousand five to beijing. There's three dozen tourists in this group. The guy's name is simon cockerill. Now hilariously i went and looked him up. He's still doing it. They'll do okay. He'd been a north korean tour. Guide for years is company was partnered with korea. International travel company k. I. t. c. Which is run by the north korean government. So they're oh so. There's a partnership with the north korean government. Everything i've ever seen as far as like somebody going into north korea is basically that you basically have a propaganda like a state propagandist with you so that any time you're asking questions and it's all you know like why is that like that. It's like oh well the dear leader like so. It's not like someone's like well. The real deal is. Yeah no no so. The total rules were quote no unauthorized photography. No off color remarks about kim il son his son kim jong il or current supreme leader kim jong un and no pushing outside ideas on north koreans. So basically probably don't talk keep your shit. Keep your fucking shit. Just just just enjoy taking ticket. Talk show when you leave. So then they all fly to. Pyongyang and jeffrey has the bible in a leather bomber. Jacket causes the whole jacket to sag to the right. Well that's what the bible did to our political culture. He's got an it's an inside pocket right Snap so he's got in there and the whole thing is just like leaning one way in the airport terminal a security agent looks through his luggage and jeffrey's like saying to himself just trust in god. What god's plan. Just trust in god and then he walks through the metal detector. The metal detector goes he says christ takes everything out of his pockets except obviously the bible and the metal detectors still goes off. Oh my god. What if he what. Oh my knife and the bible like takes off his belt. It's doug goes off so he thinks i'm fucked. I have nothing else on me. And he reaches into jacket unsnapped the bible but then right then the security agent tells them to just go through because because god is helping him right. Sorry i took so long there. Sometimes people confuse a security being lazy with god helping them. Yeah and in. This case got helped him so he goes about and he goes on the tour bus. He sits alone everyone else's like talking but he's just hang. He said he sat alone. Smiled a lot so i. i wonder why nobody said next to that guy. Can you imagine someone looking inviting on a bus like looking like hey sit here. It'd be absolutely not going like poop at hotel l. Had roommate so he's paired up with the canadian poor bastard. This is actually the part of the door. You lose me yeah show. I'm fiat your roommates. Yeah especially not him. You might meet someone like hey man you want to get drunk and be like all right cool instead of this guy is going to be like. Should we pray together. Hey know that. This is all part of god's plan that you and i would end up in room nine joe tim. I just wanted not talk. That was my thing about the tour. God's plan involves us communicating no Yeah i'm gonna go and disagree. I'm not a god guy. You know what i mean. Well i'm not a good guy. I don't believe in god i don't believe in that was gonna try to convince you. But why don't you get on your knees no on this pillow. Sit on the pillow on your knees. Are we having sex now. Good lord no praying bought. We were going to have a be a sin of many ways. Yeah fuck yeah. I would especially okay. Let's just go our separate ways so they spend some time. I just lay in bed and smile. So there's been some time of pyongyang he his planning and later he's going to drop. The plan is to just walk. Drop the bible in the north in the middle of no northeast territories He's thinking hamhung. Or sean gin and he. He'd read human rights reports about persecuted christians in zhang. Jin they've been sent to prison. They've been executed by having more than molten iron horrid on themselves like probably bullshit still. Is that gonna make you be like maybe. I just don't do the bible part. They kill him molten but reading man he thinks will. These people need didn't deny that they were christians. So there's there's probably a series group of dedicated christians up there. How i'd take one tour without the bible then come back with had college. Yeah now is specifically told jeffrey. The opposite he said people are really conservative in the northern territories and they do not trust foreigners there k. So he in other words is he going to the worst spot to do this. Yes okay so his plan was to go to the spot where they would be most open to it. But because i guess was like just looking at the globetrotter ball when he was given direction. He's now going to the place where you don't want to be doing what he's taking the communist manifesto to oklahoma. So so there's a lot of their on a train you know and Again he still thinks god's on side and taking a train through the country there's security watching them right. There's always people around sure. He figured he should drop the bible sooner rather than later to get rome. Yes so at a huge railroad station and one son. He tried to get a loan to drop a big. You'd never get alone. He just couldn't get away from people so then the next stop is hamhung just just unclear on the a little bit he. There is a picture of his family in the bible would their addresses like the dumbest part of the story is that he put his fucking name and picture in the fucking and what was the rationale behind that he would say he was now is going to help him. Say oh that's mine. I dropped it. That's my bible. As opposed just dropping a bible and going. I didn't bring anything bright and is he. Is he doing that because he wants credit he wants. He wants the christians who are going to use his bible to then get into honor him. I guess or be like this. The man brought us so again. I mean it is like it's always so fascinated about the the religious mentality or even christian mentality is like okay. You want to spread the message of god. Go do it. And he's like. Yeah but i want to be remembered. That's right right. You know if you like if he truly believed in this you would just get the bible in there and you know credit and he got off the train when no one was looking so the next stop is hamhung and they tore a fertilizer factory. They went to a lot of really great place. That's awesome. This is where most of our shit is and they went to a theater still. He can't find a place to drop it right now. The last stop was zhongjin and then they were going back to pyongyang. So this is it this time. The tour group went to a pub in the evening called the siemens club. Sure did it. Wants ben for sailors now mostly just tourists okay quote and the quotes here by the way you proud of me for not making a joke. Yeah thank you yeah. The quotes here are unless otherwise by joshua hunt in out of a magazine. We should have really great story on this hero okay. Yeah right so quote with a gift shop that sold delicately with a gift shop that sold delicately arranged bouquets of dried fish. Sorry what does that. The seaman's club as a as a tried fish club. A no. They have a gift shop. That sells tried that cells arranged bouquets of dried fish. Right so you get like flowers right. It's a fish situation right right for your honey right. Yeah yeah no for sure. I'm just trying to. I'm just thinking of how great great gift at us. Yeah yeah it's very great kip So jeffrey sat there drinking. Ordered soda watching also tours drink and hang out and have a good time. And he's just in his head like jeffrey on cable eyeball time geoffrey. So our in. He goes into the bathrooms. I'm going to go take the bible app. Put my peterson. The urinal not many tourists are gonna come through this area so it could be a while before any anyone came into the bathroom and sought right. He was thinking in the by in the bathroom. That's the plan a great plan so he checks it out. He checks out. The whole bathroom is go ahead. What's just got his personal information in there. That's a problem. So i mean at this point i would good fell as the bible so check out the bathroom and then he and then he doesn't dude he leaves and he sits down. I guess to think about where he's going to put it and a few minutes later he goes back into the bathroom. It's diarrhea he goes into a stall and he takes out the bible. Because god's with you because guys with you. I'm not i'm marie l. But this is a dump plan now. He had a newspaper and he took out a page and he wrapped the bible up the way you would wrap up a gift. Just you've had so much time to think about. What is wrapping it like a gift again. It's just seem it seems like putting it seems like it's putting another marble on the scale of predetermination. It's not a good move. And then he puts it underneath a wastebasket. Wh- what god god's like the quarterback of this play. Yeah this has got under the trash can in rapid in paper. I lord. You are mysterious. He thought hiding it like that. We'll give him time together. The country before anybody sought really hiding get of the. I mean like i don't know i don't know what a fuse. I don't know what the waste basket situation is just sitting on top of this book. Or maybe he was able to slide underneath something. You couldn't really see it. I'm picturing he just put the bible under the trash candidate. Tries to the trash can has about like an inch of daylight. That's how bibles worth of rise. So the trash half risen and he. He's gonna deny everything if they find it. Well it's not like there's a picture my family and their with their home. Oh so he's nervous. Obviously what is giving him nerves right now dave. I don't know okay because this is all guys planning should mean. Yeah right so. They spend that night at the other way when he did this. There were two sets of footprints so they spend that night at the sean jin tourist hotel quote providing a great chance to observe nighttime rail traffic and soak up the city's industrial atmosphere and just stress. Your balls off. So he's just like it's just a nice night. I mean poor tanya so the next day the group goes to check out a candy and dinner roll factory right and i love the places that just i mean. It's easy to make both with the same machines ingredients expanding the candy anti. What are you gonna do. Gum now roles bread rolls but it didn't really seem like a working factory because none of the conveyor belts will working in the candy and generals were just piles of the end of the best. So great perfect factor. Now i wanna go to north korea. I am getting closer closer so outside in the parking lot simon speaks togethers the tour group and he says quote did anyone leave something. The seaman's club. Let's say wagons west one man jokes. Yes i left three thousand dollars gary mill laugh and then others pylon and make jokes that he had left his bible. Yeah yes imagine silence not amuse and everyone realizes this is actually serious and after a bit chevy said quote. I think i forgot my book dude. What this guy's not thought it like never going to do this you need. This is locked up abroad with the bible. So you need to be thinking about every step of this. What is what are you going to say. What are you gonna do. You know if you're gonna put it under trash candidate they make sense you maybe hold onto it should you maybe throw it in the trash but instead and then when it comes to this i would be like. I don't know what you're talking about but then again if you picture your fucking family resonating it's mine. Just he's really painted himself into quite a biblical corner to remember. When i said he couldn't part problem we walk through. It said he might be dumb. Yeah so a very pissed. Simon asks him. What kind of book. I don't know and jeffrey says quote. A turquoise book my bible and everyone in the tour groups bro. yeah everyone. The topic is like what. Fuck one rule yet. This was pretty easy this one. So simon and other guide and a k c. Wrap that canadian guys like room to tonight. He's good so they pull jeffrey side and they questioned him and the bible have been found immediately. Turned it because anybody who found the is like fuck. Is this a trick right. Are they watching me. Like no one is going to be like. Oh cool. i'm gonna keep this. I should read this cute family. Jeffrey was like i dropped it. I dropped it wrapped up. I wrapped dropped iraq robbed. I dropped it into newspaper. Tried to pick it up and accidentally wrapped itself kicked it under a way. And i couldn't get in. I didn't want to say anything to anybody. And they didn't say anything to anybody. Dried fish bouquets. I love and dried fish. So the guides. Go and talk to the k. I t c people and after their discussion. Simon tells jeffrey the what he'd done was a really really stupid but he thinks it's worked out. And that's a lotta jeffries back. He is like who okay. What a dumb shit okay. That's where you're at all right. I got away. I'm gonna live for putting a bible under a trash can not even just from his but he could have gotten these fucking tour guide right sure. Yeah right right then night. They all go to carry karaoke. And jeffrey is dancing and clapping along with the songs and having a good fucking time because he did it he fucking did it gareth. But he didn't he did it but they didn't he didn't off. They found it. It's like james bond. It's not getting the girl and the information it's james wrong. Best guy didn't getting back to ing but nobody got the bible. It's yeah it worked. I don't think that it has as god. I'm not i'm not going to do. Ask god just talked. She was like no ask her said no. I'm asking she's outing no shouting. No dear lord was a part of your plan to send jeffrey in there with a bible that nobody read ever blasphemed god. so one. Point during this curiosity night saddles over to simon. And guess what. What are the plans for. The rest of the door are less day or whatever what are we going to do. Such a day and time. Accountable leave him. He says quote you want to sink time of our lives together as a duet. Simon me jeffrey. Simon says quote. You really. don't get it do you. what and that. Jeffrey scaredy the next day. All the other tourists are giving him dirty. Looks want some are making comments to them one. Ask them what in the hell. You've been thinking. Jeffrey quote just shrugged and stared back at me with that. Alfred e. neuman grin of god empty-headed empty headed. They take the train from chongjin to pyonyang overnight and as they head for the airport. Jeffrey is reprimanded by the k-i-t-e man. He's basically saying there's consequences for what you do. There are consequences okay customs. Jeffrey had to go through a metal detector and they made him go through it over and over and over and over and over again Customs and they go out onto the tarmac to get on the plane and just then too large north korean men wearing black pants and polo shirts. Walkup don't say word. Just motion for jeffrey to follow god. He's put into the backseat of a car. Sitting between the two men. A man of the fronts. He turns around and he says he's named mr joe and he would be jeffries interpreter. Hi mr joe. It's a real name so they go to this hotel. That's a famous hotel. Wow and they take jeffrey into a back room. All the people to be in this situation because mr jaws the bible on his hand and he asked jeffrey if this is his. It's my wife's. There's a photo of his family sticking out of the bible. I'm trying to think if that is minor isn't i guess. Here's what i'll say i have on. That looks just like it. And that's my family. I have another turquoise bible like that. Yeah but not my. Here's what i do. That's my brother is damn that's right. That's mine and there's two others like stashed in this country. And if you want to find out where they are you gonna let me get on that fucking plane joining so look. His plans eight dropped. It is just in fucking ruins because he put it under trash gannon rapid newspaper again. Not thinking like no defeat thinking so i mean literally the way he did it. There's no way it could be anything but a guy lashing. Yeah i mean he just completely frames even if it was under the trash without the paper or if it was just paper wrapped one of those two maybe but together no no so he cops to and he says yeah. That's mine and then they take him to the thirty six floor of the hotel. You're gonna meet got up here to men go through his luggage and they list every single thing in it and then a military guy comes in and said quote. You are here under investigation for this incident of leaving a bible in the d. r. k. Another man in a grey uniform comes in and questioned him about his work his family his life growing up everything and then at thirty minutes switch flips and he starts interrogating. He was asked who is paying him. Who paint him to do this. Oh man the lord quote things will be much less pleasant for you if you don't cooperate. Tell us who gave you the bible. Tanya russia hell-bent i'm getting spent twenty year plan. Jeffrey said it was his idea and he brought. He bought the bible on amazon. I mean like it's just you would be like. I mean it's such a bad excuse that may be true or maybe he's brilliant. It's from amazon. It's he's just so who put you up to. It was my idea. I bought it on amazon. A elliott resume. Who do you work for my independent contractor heart. Bible on amazon so it was magazine. Quote fouled tried to explain why he'd brought the bible to north korea. He told mr joan mr kim about his dream and about his trip to the deserts missed and i woke up covering come and both men seemed baffled. Mr kim looked vaguely disgusted. So you had a dream that it drizzled brought a bible here. That's right so they're literally just like this guy is so fucking sir you might be able to get out of here on diplomatic imbecilities. Okay tell us why you brought the bible. I was dreaming. That i was looking down at a revival and i was thinking bad thoughts about them and then god came up behind me and said no. They're good and then i was. We asked you was why was what we ask you. Why did you bring it. I'm getting there and god said who did he. I have a plan. And you're part of this plan. So i go to the desert. Are you sure it was better to my car. The king and i take a bedroll. I leave the title and the note on the car can habit an advantage. Your car. happy car said just you had a blanket. And i take my federal bedroll and i take my bed roll and i walk off into the desert. We actually have a factor that makes bedrolls and kim four days four day right sure and then i come back out and i had a and then i'm on and you back in the car okay. So was the car. There got the rangers and taking the title and put it back and said don't do this. They're basically like you're an idiot. And so i just think you're an idiot and listen and then i i'm on amazon and i'm buying how does be crean thing and then this turquoise bible comes up and i'm like oh my god who could do this god amazon does because all that it didn't know they target you because you bought a korean book. They were like. Hey let's see if this dumb shit wants to buy turquoise bible okay but have amazon know about the dream in the desert. They didn't they just like their whole thing. Is they collect data. They've been collecting data on you. What's in your head. So how did others. How did they know that though you know what i mean. He's part it's designed to do anyway. Let's say you buy it then. You brought it here you really just. It's like talking to we Figurine a hubble. There's nothing inside. Your melon is there. The pillow was so wet. Stop talking a great thing for us to say so these two crean gentlemen say look. You're not being forthcoming and we are going to take you to wear quote. The facilities won't be as accommodating and the interrogation techniques will be harsher so his plan is so dumb so that he'll get tortured that's what race go like. We can't believe that anyone's this stupid so we're going to find the truth out and he's like i already told you the truth. That so yeah. It's i mean look they. They don't take him anywhere and they just leave him in this hotel room. He turns on tv and he sees on the news. There's another american. Matthew miller who's also imprisoned in north korea and they're talking about him and then the next day they come and a worker comes and now there's no more foreign channels on the tv. Oh so the state department is alerted to what's going on. That's what did he do. You speakerphone with what did you do. So the state department tells tanya and she is like fucking them not to go to north korea and i told him not to bring the fucking. Ps every part of it. I said no the us government is like. We're gonna do everything we can to get him out. But it's obviously really complicated. Americans are americans too i mean. Could you make up most of the country. Could you imagine you're in the state department and someone comes into your office and tells you this fucking story sir. We have something we might. Man might be killed in north korea. He took a turquoise bible and he wrapped it and put it under a garbage. Can we wanted to save him. But now that i hear it. We probably should is is a prank. No no it's not the man Appears to have no brain sir. So let's you. Can we leave this guy. That's our plan. We leave him but it just we feel like it's just it's it's like six on this end half a dozen on the other. I could go either way. It's like do. I want paninis or pinera for lunch. You know what i mean. It's like but both sound fine meters appealing. Okay we're just gonna leave him. Sorry but are you good with pinera. That's kind of So whatever they're going to try to get them out they can't dump fuck initiated sir. The family can't tell anybody because they don't want anybody knowing a by the way the family won't tell anyone because a family doesn't want anyone knowing before kidding me. Tanya please reveal to your neighbors please you not reveal to anyone else. Please keep tightly if people knew easier for north korea to use them for propaganda purposes of bargaining chip. And whatever so. We'd never invited the block party last night so week got the. Jeffrey was detained. North korea learned movie and production called the interview. In which james yet god. I'm sorry i don't know either. Those actors. Well it's not good for you buddy to tell you you're here at By the way we're gonna make believe in god by the end of the month. That's the plan. So try to assassinate kim. Jong so seth rogan the greg. James franco like rapi. Yes so rapi. That seth rogan is like. Yeah he should Go away so. North korea said there would be a quote. Merciless response and that the film was an act of war. Yes yes. I mean if i i remember very vividly that timing like things have changed. This is a new the hack all that this is next level salt. That was very weird movie. That can't be released in theaters. I mean i don't know if they still are but for years on. He was not communicating by email and like their whole system was everything they were just like. Oh bradley kubrick suck it. I it was. I wish there was a sarcasm font. So sony delays release of the film. Weeks go by each day. Minder would come in and they would watch in the morning they would watch exercise. Tv shows who. Jeffrey and his mind or yeah and the minder would exercise. And try to get jeffrey to join in. Which is so funny. Because that's like almost like stereotypical what you hear about. North korea true. Yeah morning calisthenics. Although we use morning calisthenics here pastry in in the middle of the day. Another minder would come. His job was to get jeffrey ready for his trial. Okay jeffrey also. Mainly exercise based and exercise based jerry was told to confess his crimes against north korea. And they want him to write them all down. Everything he had done down during these interviews jeopardy had to wear a dress shirt so when this guy came over this minder put pressure. But he wasn't leaving he said to dress nice for this guy. Just my room please. But on and sometimes discussions with this guy we're pleasant. Sometimes they were really not pleasant. And jeffrey just said over over and over that he come on his own and no-one send them minder quote. That's schoolboy logic. If you don't start cooperating things are going to become less pleasant. I mean his plan is so dumb. They don't believe it's possible. I don't know what to do with it. It's fucking yeah. It's like a three year olds plan and of course it sounds like he's lying because it's so yes and they're and they're like look he's clearly got great training. We can't break him even if he wasn't lying they would want him to lie. But in this case they're like jesus. Christ janet come on after a while. It was clear they didn't want the truth. So that's what. Jeffrey sense right. Yeah okay yeah. Why don't you not have attitude for a little while. Geoffrey geoffrey mets guy. Mr carter and he said mr carter ran an underground. Oh miss the cata. Can i take. The bible is so old mr carter. I used to watch nick knight reruns. Okay mr credit ran an underground missionary in china and he had gotten jeffrey to drop the bible off the miners. Absolute bullshit dulles. I brought it on my own. I ask funding up to three weeks. Jerry was done writing a statement of guilt so whatever they wanted him to write he wrote up this thing and then after he was he was taken to a guest house where he would be staying okay and when he first got there the first day he read his confession out loud and after it was told to think about what he would like to write to his family. So like you're going to get the right to your family. So i went over an open desk-drawer and inside was a piece of paper with no schoolboy written in block letters across the top. Wow so he's like. Is this a message or did it. Another guy stay here. We've gone through this. It's a message thing was like. Oh someone must have stayed here. Sign stop finding signs. Generally generally thought another guy stayed there and that was like writing me message. I've heard i was like no. They wrote that. I'm gonna take this paper in a bathroom. This needs to be seen fuck. The state department would talked tiny intriguing filler room with what was going on. They said it was gonna probably in idiot but this week basically nothing. Yeah so they can take about six months to get them out. I mean she writes to all the ex-presidents who were alive. So clinton the bush's carter interesting. He sounds like a dumb shakira's. Unfortunately miami has been san stupid and it's coming from me stupid well furger chagas harbor out bar do builder habitat for humanity brew. That was carter love move was clinton. No there's as many hill out different. I'll have my hands don't work. My hands were great. I use them. He only got a show only got one response. Ws office sent a form letter. Thank you for reaching out to locked by painting. Please touch thirty dollars and we'll send you a tow now on june six the us government revealed. Jeffrey was imprisoned in north korea on crimes against thinking for being a fucking idiot To japanese payday papers reported he was arrested for leaving a bible in his hotel room. That just makes him sound totally innocent and smart totally but if you're him great that out there media just come pouring into his hometown. Local dedic democratic congressman who had been to north korea. A few times said he would look into it. He told tanya quote leaving a bible in a room is not a big deal and shouldn't be a big deal. What if he wrapped in paper put it under a trash cam pictures of his family. Also it is a big deal. Yeah yes that's their rule. Let me this is what i would relate to. I love to smoke marijuana whenever i go to another country. I don't bring marijuana women. It's not because. I don't want smoke marijuana. It's because i recognize that this is. There's there's international law and if i don't wanna be prosecuted for crimes i've committed. I'm not going to commit those crimes. Counterpoint marijuana shouldn't be a big deal yes great cab. Fuck you neighbors. Can't believe that ni- nice quiet. Jeff would do anything to get himself thrown in jail. No one said quote. A lot of people would put up money if there was a jug at the market. That'll do it dear leader. We have the jug. We're reading the story and all of a sudden someone's like i'm from america in eighteen. Forty the fuck yeah. Let's like what are you raising money for a little table trying to get out of the north korean prison. We got about forty five dollars. Is it going to take him out. Another said quote. He's such a mild mannered person. That i can't imagine anybody not letting him go. That's not how it works. You don't it's like every neighbor of a murderer just kept to himself can't imagine so papers interviewed people who had gone to north korea like a guy andrew lombardi. He had gone in two thousand eleven. The journal news quote the trip lombardi said was eye opening compelling and occasionally fun played in the nation's first ever ultimate frisbee tournament awhile. Hey andrew just one favor yeah one favor go. Can you fucking stop talking about you. Playing in the first ultimate frisbee tournament why not squeeze it into every single thing what. They asked for my opinion on his situation. Yeah but all you do is squeeze in. When i was very i barely. I don't even remember saying that to him. Was bloody finish. What i said to him was. Hey yeah it was a great time. I had a lot of fun. They're learned a bunch of stuff and froth what froth frisbee golf frisbee golf eases. Christ what all you it was fucking nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy eight. It was nine hundred. There was the fall of seventy. Okay basically seventy nine fifty fucking years ago. Thank god gave you. The human calculator gives a shit about the fucking dolman frisbee turtle. Okay i was ed seraing a question. Oh you in word international law. Does anyone any friends. Yes the disc. Jesus christ my dog. Just stop bringing it up dude. My life is like mark harmon and summers another tourists. Cyrus kirkpatrick said. You were fine if you didn't quote bring up topics about politics or other taboo subjects and not bring in bibles or other restricted under garbage said straight. What have you. What have you took one. You read it really really really clear about the thing. They don't want their okay. But what if wrapped in gift paper said to all the people from lord. Jesus christ and me slow again. Just don't see. There's not a loophole. there's no bible. Loopholes would've put a ribbon on it now. What if it was like a talking when you open it up. I think it's worse. I think the ideas are getting worse. That's worse yeah what if when you open it it explodes it explodes into like five hundred. Bibles like gremlin bible. Now you get a wet and just turns into more bibles worst. Bibles bibles and her. People know let's the original seems very restrictive and dumb rules should be able to leave bible. You want i know if the country says you can't so so. His kids are writing him letters. But you know demand dad if he'd get them to try to distract the kids. Tanya bought some chickens great so maybe you know your father has a smaller brain than most of the birds is crazy. I mean maybe there's just a simplicity that goes to the whole family mother hen. Sit on eg much like trash cans. Sit on the rep bible dumb shit. Take an k talking about daddy like that. I'm not trying to. But i'm just hoping you don't inherit dumb shit comes from your father's side than the gene seems to be predominant chicken. Maybe more listen they tell you you have a vacuum. As far as a parent goes. I feel the void with a bunch of little foul now. Each one of these is named david. Jeffrey started writing lists to distract himself. Things i regret. He wrote lissa beatle songs. he wrote list of presidents. he wrote list of motown songs and christmas songs. He would just write. Listen everything now that list. I go fun fun fun. Lists of cars fucking idiot so jude twentieth. He was taken to meet. These swedish ambassador. Who had letters from jeffries. Families suisun basseterre is kind of the country. They end up using to deal. With situations like yeah. So and his sister-in-law jeffrey sister-in-law sent a week's worth of crossword puzzles cut off from local paper. Oh boy move away lists. There's a new game in town. Only a fucking week's worth. Well fucking kidding. I think it'll take them a while to do. What does it mean a cross. Why don't you give me six years. Flip reference cross. Don't you didn't write anything. Okay should tell you need to write anything to the other. Something weird there but also she said it was because she's from russia and grew up under a governor which people read whatever you wrote and she hated that sure but also. What are you gonna say. Jeffrey was allowed to make a collect call home. So we calls family one hundred forty bucks. She had no money because her husband. The breadwinner was. I don't think he had a good plan. I've just retrospect on everything. It's a fair assessment. So that same day. June twentieth north korea began releasing statements about the movie. The interview quote a special irony in the story line as it shows the desperation of us government and american society a fellow about the assassination of a foreign leader mirrors what the us has done in afghanistan iraq syria and ukraine. Unless not. hey take it easy. Come on relax. And let's not forget. Who killed kennedy american easy mistakes but relax poop wait a minute kill kennedy who's just puncture the tire. That's the problem with having represent the united states hundred percent we are. We just wanted to go. She so it's like you always a killed dictators. Well you kill heads of state and you send in the cia to do coups off the record well but mainly for oil. Well bull listen. We're very awesome in many ways. Please so sony. Ceo asked rand corporation for threat analysis. And sony was told. North korea would likely test sony's computer systems. So jefferies house starts going south. Who's having dizzy spells. He was seeing black spots in his personal vision and logic and logic and he was worried. Who's being poisoned so. He started keeping his nail clippings and hairs he took from his tub drain and he was putting them in a napkin. Yep okay keep going. That's shoyer because obviously if you're being poisoned you keep that in case on test for poisoning later when he goes home. So did you learn about bringing weird shit in your suitcase. Yes well you test my nails. Who's four pounds. Four pounds of my hand nails. They gave him a physical at a hospital but no one asked about being dizzy or the black spots. The week embassador had given him hemingway book but they took it away. we're not letting him have books anymore. This guest houses in plumbing doesn't really work. The power's out all the time. Like twelve hour stretches tv on the tv all propaganda. His interpreter said power was out a lot but the interpreter was fine because he had soler like all. These people are north korea ending solar power. They can deal with the What we're dealing with. What places like texas. Jeffrey was mostly alone. Can you imagine being in a dark place with propaganda on tv all the time. No no no. I can't no no okay. In early august. He was taken to a press conference. He tried to be positive because he knew his kids would see it. You want him to think everything was okay with them. They give them talking points which he forgotten the interpreter. And tell them what to say. You're supposed to say right now. After the interview the start of him for the next press conference usa is going to be on september. First and on that day was taken to a sports complex and there were american reporters waiting for him. Jeffrey did not see him in. Good shape now okay. He stumbled over his words quote. There was a panic in his eyes. Yeah he told cnn quote. I'm getting desperate back home. The city manager told reporters. If jeffrey dean come back soon he was going to have to fire. Wow i don't do it. We talk about leverage. Magin get believe that guy gave that statement would boy. We might have to move on by the way even if he comes back move on. Jeffrey was fired at the end of september. Wow but they did say job would be ready waiting for him retirement. Okay so if you want to share. October twenty first came with jeffrey suitcases and started packing his stuff in about five minutes. They were in the car. He was talking to take into a hotel conference room full of north korean reporters. After twenty minutes. A military guy comes in and says quote. The supreme leader and first secretary of the workers party kim jong has recommended that you be released. Jeff turns and starts babbling to this guy who's in a uniform about how much he appreciated. Please tell many anything jerk off. Whatever needs i'm really just the way. And he's saying this. Is kim jong about kim jong really and the guys like do american. Shut the fuck up Stop fucking talking. He's a real dickhead. You talked me gonna play but show you fucking free on that say so they take him out to get him on the plane. There's a doctor. Can i have an aisle seat. I hate it doesn't mean i'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be here. I just love so. This is dr on the plane and he sits next to him. I guess he has jefferson questions. And jeffrey what brings you here. I created an international incident. Being done. jeffrey tells them the problems he's been he's been having then he pulls out the napkin with all the nail clippings and hair. Can you do me a doctor. And you analyze these in your coke. Is that possible for some reason. The doctor didn't want them. Why did you hit the stewardess. What's on over the flight attendant. I'm not sure. I'll just take them back r. e. Gosh wow tell you think you know a passenger turn. Your brings all the airports She doesn't tell the kids. Why interesting right. Well i mean. I would say here's what i would say. This whole thing is so damn crazy. If he's not there and you set the expectation that he is and he doesn't come because he's put himself in the dumbest situation possible then. That's even more trauma for them. That's how i should do it. Okay go ahead. I forgot his name. Tonya wanted to surprise her husband. Because quote. I think jeff surprises. Oh i don't know if he likes maybe are great. Yeah but that's not. That's not a surprise for him. It's your surprising. The kids also. Yeah right yeah. He's not being surprised at his fam- okay okay. A army guy. There said quote. The children knew something was up. They playing arrived and they were television. There's no surprise cameras. Snap pictures of his excited. Kids hugging him on the tarmac. A family attorney said they wanted to quote. Thank god for protecting jeffrey during his six months in captivity. What's your real. What's your no your read on this deity read on this deity as ones. I can never get past this shit. I can never get. It has not it never. it never fails. It never fails. You know what it reminds me of always is when you're like hey. The climate is collapsing. And we need to do stuff and people like. But you're talking about getting rid of the whole sector job. No earth do that. That's part of it. People might be getting clued into that. Now that the thing we've been talking about is if you don't change than climate change is going to change you so yeah it's like whatever your knock list of values are yeah. They don't exist without air so after a few months has headaches went away his vision improved. I feel like i should go back to bibles to it again. The game is job back. Okay jug reporters that. He wanted to go to pakistan next. His boss was not amused. Okay his new contract forbid him from traveling to dangerous places or he would be fired. Fair fairclough's the other two detainees. Were released two weeks. After jeffrey sunny release the movie the interview was then hacked and tons of their information released. The hackers discussed quote the movie of terrorism reflecting back on it. Jeffrey doesn't feel like his amazing bible stunt had accomplished anything and the god must not have wanted him to succeed. That's it that's your takeaway. Yeah he's mysterious. Say the lord works in mysterious ways. It's a cover for everything. It's pretty bad it's like an alcoholic you'd be. He works in mysterious ways. No he's just drunk drunk. I guess like i said. This is mainly based on holiday at the dictators. Guest house joshua hunt and if it's magazine also The journal newspaper from hamilton. Ohio and the dayton daily news from dayton ohio. That is that that should be taught in church that story. He should have him. I mean there's a there's a biblical lesson in how not to operate and and the line between reality and your faith recognize you know. It's just this weird american arrogance. That happens where he's like i in religious and not just because it's that thing where like you know white guy looks at non white people and goes. Oh i can really save. I don't think that's ever happened. But keep going but but you know the truth is if you looked at this. You'd be like oh if this christians though they have bibles already. They've got him hidden away and they read them when they can safely. And this is really fucking bad idea. They just drop it in a fucking. Shitter well yes. Obviously not the smartest or most technical a guys. I hate to interrupt this. But i do have a picture of dried fish bouquet. Oh my god my god. It's it's like savvy chief okay. What is happening shrimp sardines. That is crazy. There's nuts in there I think there's nuts in the head of the person who bought it to salami. Yeah say it's very much like a Oh my gosh uteri. What a crazy world. We live in them all right everybody by the way. I've been starting cars lately. So we're back. We're back by.

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486 - The Texas Prison Situation

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

1:48:27 hr | 4 months ago

486 - The Texas Prison Situation

"You're listening to the wind up by the wind up here on the all things comedy network. This is a bilingual american history. Podcast reach each week. I dave anthony read a story from american history to my friend. Gareth reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. A one of those. It's one of those. Just want to start off by saying you did not wish me a happy father's day. I'm sorry papa papa. Happy father's day more now. It seems don't don't do this daddy. So here's what my son got me which he was so so thrilled. There's a new kind of underwear out there. They've made they advancement in underwear. According to them they are they have a. They have a ball pocket top tennis shorts. So there's a little. What do you mean pocket. Gareth is a little place. Put your balls in the underwear. You put your balls in a separate underwear compartment. Oh my lord. Oh my god so it is like a cup. 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So go to our pitch and you can get the tickets and Dave i myself without you know that this has been upsetting to you to hear but i've been going out without you a little bit. I will be at the san. Jose improv july first through july third. So come join me there. Then i'll also be august nineteenth hyenas in dallas texas. Join me there on then. I'll also be on the twentieth at the austin. The state theater in austin that's august twentieth and august twenty six. I'll be at the spokane comedy club. And then august twenty seventh through august twenty eighth i will be at the tacoma comedy club and you can go to gareth reynolds dot com for information on all of those things join me. You assured i got you. I got you that shirt. Nineteen thirty nine. Fred cruz was born in san antonio texas okay. Home of the san antonio's. He was a mexican american and had a difficult childhood growing up in a very segregated west side. His earlier's really hardened him build it was he lived in a place. Where you join a gang or you got fucked basically so he joined the miracles and he wore suits suspenders. Did the whole thing k. Dropped out or jumping in this lot happening right away. All right dropped out of school in the eighth grade great. He had a few relatives sold drugs his brother frank would be killed by cops during a robbery. Now by the time is brother. Frank was killed by cops. Fred was already in jail for selling pot. Okay right and he had become addicted to heroin. So jeeze good. Lord came in hot. Yeah came in hot. What do you want to take five. I'm exhausted so nineteen sixty seven. Fred was in the middle of fifteen year sentence for trying to rob an ice house. Cats a man off. It's gonna melt. Yeah i mean you you you see the money. That's temporary frozen. Water makes and yeah. You can't walk. Pass is is turned into dollar bill. Signs you've got a plan. We're talking frozen ice. I swear to god this used to be i. I don't know what happened. So he was in the ellis unit. Which is wasn't the time the toughest prison in the texas prison system. Which is i mean you know. That's it's not a good thing here and win the goal the texas for that is. Here's something you're competing among the best the best. But but now fred. Fred became very intellectually curious. He started reading. Philosophy started reading about yoga and reading legal theory books and then he found his way to buddhism and it became a buddhist k now in november of sixty seven. He was in the whole again. Happened quite a bit. Fred solitary was used very often in texas prisons to control prisoners and in ellis solitary was absolutely the worst place to pay. Yeah we've talked before about how it's just a super torture bowl jackets torture memo plus countries. It's not legal but don't worry about america. You got this cells. Were so dark. That prisoners is would ache after a while. Oh my god. Why it's now i have i've i have blackout curtains. Yeah and i've done a good twelve hours. And just so i get it right. Well sort of amazed. I sleep and i do you know you can have lost. Sometimes they would only get a blanket. Okay no clothes. No mattress no toilet. There's a hole in the floor toilet not just on the floor. Three small has a whole whole as a whole. The whole the whole the whole has some rights three three slices of bread a day. Oh because for a while this was sounding like bullshit. yeah now. i didn't get three pieces of bread. today cakewalk yeah. I let let's. He's up on the pampering shall we man i. Can you imagine like. I mean what are you. You're so hungry that a piece of bread. Thank god i would send it back and us for sourdot i sorry. Could i have the right. You have these cinnamon raise it. Starts her. I try to teach me a lesson but have a heart. I just bought a little sour dough. So they would only get a full meal twice a week. What the fuck then. After two weeks outer door would be open and a little light would come in. This was there. this was technically. They consider that a release so they're free. Range is what we would for their free range. And then the wardner one of the officers come in and they check on your attitude. See how your attitude was probably really good. I mean look. You've been in a hole with a hall with a blanket and three pieces of bread a day. You're probably going to be a good spot. You get some question if you didn't respond the way they wanted. It would be back into the hole in the darkness for two weeks the door. Oh god you imagine how you have to react. Hi how are you doing guys. Well you want to kick me in the face. You can kick me in the humour it come on tell ya. I'm sorry i don't remember what it was. I feel terrible. Yeah whatever i did was bad. You're right you're great. I call you. God i say god to you i mean now i was better at most than getting through solitary but still some days in there. He wished he just is like. Just let me die in november. He's in the hall and at this point he's there for sitting in the wrong seat on trucks that were headed out to work in the cane. Fields right so all the prisoners get in the trucks in the morning. Good canfield prisoners. Like hey sit next to me buddy. So he does and then and then the guards like what the fuck you doing. I was worried that they were going to be over using the abuse there but clearly they're saving it for real situations. He said to the guard quote. Personally i'm not particular about which trailer i go to work in and that was that was considered a blatant challenged so they just didn't like him and just the the guard yelled at him quote. You're not going to take over my squad. You aren't going to run anything while you are working under me. So the guard was one of those rational people who it's like who you want positions of authority. What do you do if someone sits where they wanna sit. I freak out. yeah. I try to kill them. That's right. I will attempt to kill them so that night when he comes in from working in the fields there's a big group of dudes the officials and the assistant warden are waiting for them and they and they they hear what the guard says they give him a punishment and the punishment is he's going to have to. Shell a gallon of peanuts by hand and that would take most of the night and then at the end of showing gallup pants his fingers would be raw at the end. Because it's just assaulted by hand. Yeah so fred. Fred says well donald to defend myself. Now he knows this is gonna make it worse but he's gonna get to defend myself and then expense calmly as known to do at this point. He had taken many meetings over the years in prison. He never changed. He was that guy who just didn't give in right writer. Ethan waters in texas monthly quote. Fred crews was only twenty seven but he had the sort of inner strength that could unnerved those charged with keeping him in line right so they were just totally threatened by him. He's got he's got the he carries himself in a way that is a threat rest by the way he is right. So he's so he. He wants to rule he broke right. Talk a little crazy isn't it. I mean come on one an asshole fair hearing and then i wanna appeal on this punishment. You just gave me a yoga appeal a bunch of potatoes if you keep going on. They said yeah. They're like yeah. When you're out of solitary interesting interesting negotiation. Not a lot of people will hold the trial after the sentence. But it's good to see that they could bend the rules in that fashion. That's interesting that's very did. I didn't realize the malleability of the punishment system in. Yeah yeah you can totally are serrated you can punish people and then afterwards so what was your i mean. That's one of those deals. That i feel like i take and they'd be like way while you can. You will hear you out after a couple of weeks in the hall and then we'll see if you should be punished sir. That pets very fair. You wait a second hold on pulse. Shed so his file after this incident said quote insubordination. Refused peanuts well. You know you don't want nobody. Wants the refused peanuts on their permanent record. That's so his file is like full of ridiculous charges like that. He'd been given the rail at one time which was standing for days on the two inch side of six by two board. What yeah. That seems impa david blaine shit. I tried to imagine how that's possible. But that's what they gave is a regular punishment. I if somebody told me to stand for two days. I'd be like that's not possible. That is not gonna happen. I can't do that. what are you talking about. He got that punishment because he started chasing an armadillo while he was out working in the field. How do you. How do you not chasing armadillo iphone. Is it the texas flag guy chasing and armadillo. Yeah you should be like there they go. That's the only thing they're allowed. What are you supposed to do. Just live in this armadillo armageddon. This armadillo again. I just allow these dillard's to just run rampant while you sit there and do nothing look is america. God damn it. If i see an armadillo out to go i- going so the prison system had labeled fred as a quote hardened incorrigible with an a an eighty seven iq an extremely poor prospects for rehabilitation. So that's no real aversion to peanut work. So that's how he treated like he's not dumb he never gonna change. He's the nothing's happened with this guy but a psychologist wrote that. He was intelligent suspicious. Hostile to authority and had leadership potential. If prison officials didn't keep fred and check he would quote most certainly be disturbing influence o. l. So that's that's the secret file. But if he goes to court the they see the rain is hardened unable to rehabilitate dumb but other file that the that the pr. The prison ward. See it's like this guy. You wanna keep this guy. Just keep your eyes open and do not bring peanuts around this guy. He's a real jerk off when it comes to peanuts so as as the psychologist said he's chernoff. He starts studying the law k. And so he doesn't have heroin or boozing life now so he's very focused. It's reading textbooks. He starts reading supreme court opinions. He reached the bill of rights constitution and he starts appealing case saying that his lawyer was bad and to pass that case on boy. There's another case. I was wondering if you could work on the forum. I'm trying to get someone is good to be in your shoes. So if you want me just take a look at it. Well i mean basically just you know i want i need to get you off my case so i the case i need you to go to self removed from the care. That's great. you're not very good and having been good and hutton. Have you seen the name. I law firm whatever law. Yeah yep it's really a arrest flag red flag it's our philosophy but again remember. I didn't want you the judge gave you to me. And that's what i'm saying and you've been really just dikshit so if i've been get as advertised off the case as yeah exactly that's the whole thing so yeah that'd be great if you could do that because that's really cool. I just don't know how to do the paper for that. Well i mean again. Like i'm just that this would be the like they'll be no more pay. Please just fucking do it because really the worst the whole way. It's just you know what i know of course times up. This is really good. But i don't feel like we didn't solve anything. Thank you for. Guess i came. I guess i came here. Yeah right i do not remember how. What was your the case. The name the thing frank. Yeah okay later. Good work with you. Great that's the bathroom. So like he's studying the law. Other inmates take notice now prisoners who studied and understood the legal system. Work called writ writers in prison but giving other prisoners. Legal help was forbidden man. United a legal defeat someone elses parking meter. Yes it's like those things were not. Why fuck off like fucking. Don't tell me how little you know. There's no there should be no legal illegality bass trout helping other people. Excuse me you're not advising that other one Read the constitution are you. That's not allowed. The idea is that everyone's fucked don't learn learning hurts. Learning hurts guys. Look at the sign learning hurts. I can tell you exactly how the the meter thing there was probably guy who was getting a ticket and they was like oh really well fuck you. And he had a much pocket. He just started walking down the street in front of meter maid just putting money in. I'm sure that happened like a bunch of times. Yeah well it's just the craziest it's again it's like what do you care. What is the point is the point to have the meters fed. It feels like it's more money so right so so prisoners in texas. Prison system are not allowed to have legal books fair or or legal documents in there. So you can't have any thing that case. They could not talk. They could not talk about legal issues. Good lord you understand. The rules of your fox ville. If any that happened they'd be thrown on the whole. That is so crazy but fred is interested in the law so he keeps getting thrown in the hole for having books and documents. Wow he went to the whole once. And this is the greatest. He went to the whole for having a copy of the constitution. Oh my lord how do you. How do you square. That sums up america so beautiful i. Yeah yeah what do you. What are the hall for learning about my rights as our. They were furious that i was learning what they could do to be so they did it. Now you best get those thoughts out of your head boy. You learned that as soon as possible. Now now a francis. Jelly was a graduate of columbia law school. She graduated nineteen thirty seven but she was a woman. So there's the name sounded a little telling. There's no work for as a lawyer. When everyone's cool you got a degree. It's all right. You ready to be a mom. My god yeah. So she got married she had five kids taught. She taught school her husband. Got into a plane crash at one point and he but he he changed he started drinking. It was very volatile and eventually taken away in a straitjacket. Jesus okay so wrapped up really quick. Yeah that was fun. What a good run. He had this little tale in nineteen fifty. Four francis moves to dc. She got a job with the american association of university. Women and in nineteen fifty-nine. She became a staff attorney on the new york. Laws regarding commission and in nineteen sixty seven. A new federal program was created to get lawyers to work in poverty law right so she gets involved that program and that summer she heads to texas. She's now fifty six years old. The austin american statesman ran a short profile about this weird middle aged woman who wanted to help poor people and came to texas to do it. Well and the kooky pages. We've got a fun story for you this week. A woman wants to help the poor now. I've heard it all my regular column. Let's what's happening with the freaks. What's up. Oh i i just can't imagine how i would love to be able to find that article. They laugh the if if white laughter could be harnessed for energy. So fred ends up reading the article and then he writes a letter to already asked for help the but she's not a criminal. It's criminal court. It's not her thing right. She's she's doing this other stuff so it's not really part of her job description so so she decides to come on our own and meet with them just to talk to him and right. What's up and he's not at all. It's she expects he's he's sad. He's very kind. He speaks race awfully and then he met her. Watch out that attitude you're gonna get him thrown all got murder him. So she's she greets to advise him and type up and he briefs she has but she's can't represent you as an attorney because it's not my thing and also. It's not what i'm supposed to be doing my job. And then and then they get along really well. They end up talking for a while about families religion. How each kid himself in jail and they talked for like an hour. Get along really great now george. Beto is the director of the texas texas department of corrections. Which i'll call the tdc and he's there when he happened to be at the prison when when she visits and he's okay. Why don't you come on up. Talk with me in the wording because he sees all hears do-gooder. Yeah do-gooder here. Why don't you come upstairs so me and the warden can condescend you about forty five minutes if that's possible. Come up a room having nice condescension. Which if that's possible you understand just sniffing around wrong problem. You can't just come in here to change the system now. okay yeah. You don't know you know what you do what you can stir up here. You'd think you know it. All just because he got a degree which send a lot of education. But very days you don't have testicles and that's all that matters now the warden is carl luther. Bear tracks mcadams. Okay sure uh-huh and then what are. We also just tossed a bear tracks in there. That's good honey. that's good. Do you have any birth certificates with a line. That drops down. We're going to need to add a couple of names here because my wife had a fantastic idea. We wanna get bear tracks in the full name. It was his nickname. It's as real name. I think it's because he's so huge. Okay they're both hit both him and george or giant they're like hey fido was six four. I mean they're really big dudes okay a bed. It was also an ordained lutheran minister and but he would sell herself as like. Look i'm a minister. And i'm a very enlightened director of the prison system. I care about the prisoner. So that's how he himself to. I can't believe there is a time where religion veiled flaws. I cannot imagine now bear tracks mcadams was also huge and he was fucking brutal cher. The houston chronicle wrote. He was a big man with a velvet voice. A cherub's face who despite the panch could move like a mongoose. When there is trouble brewing was prison porn. Kind of what like why. He's got a velvet. A voice that a to rubik face but that podge throw you off this athlete all he can pounce compounds as just me or his movements mongoose. Iand my crazy medgyessy editor yup notes. We're going to run this today. Sounds like a warden to me. I get it yeah. We've got a big baby whose name is bear tracks with a gut who moves like an animal perfect. Well bird tracks immediately hated francis. She said quote. I wonder i can't imagine. Sounds i get the compassionate vibe. He said quote if you dreamed of a witch. That's exactly what she looked like. Wow all right now. Detto beto takes attacked. He tries to charm francis out so they do good cop jerk off cop. Yeah well he knew how to like. Show people like her what he wanted them to see in the excuse my partner here. He's just a little bit of a mongoose. And you're bit of a snake so the media loves beto. He could do no wrong and he told francis. The prisoners knew how to con civilians. Especially ones like fred. Cruz is i'm gonna condescend. You little bit differently than the man over here. He didn't want her being worked by a quote nonconformist. He didn't ta bring up the constitutional anything did he. Oh we trouble with that one. Their constitution after. He says that he's a nonconformist. Francis responded quote is being a nonconformist a bad thing. You know my god who are like careful. He ought to be in the snake pit asking. Do they like to bite full. The bitch that i've with these guys are badged. Is there a problem with nonconformity locked. That door closed that winter of the wrong with this woman. Ma'am you all right. Obviously not good but also better does not worried because this is a middle aged lady lawyer like you do the last thing he'd ever be concerned about right. He's also one of the most powerful man in texas okay. There's fourteen prisons. There's twelve thousand prisoners a thousand acres of farmland. He supports tons of businesses. Because that's a giant agribusiness. Prisoners don't need much funding because he's creating money and like the cotton that they grow. They turn into close to the prisoners using prison labor. To make it it's all it's just take care of itself. It is amazing how the us economy has been able to shift at just always anyway. Sorry this fifteen hundred calories seventy thousand hogs one hundred twelve thousand chickens you know it's just giant machine and the thirteenth amendment of the us allows slavery as a punishment for crime so they saw three card monty but when it to slavery so he legally controlled slaves basically and right and he's not just big in texas but all over the country in one thousand nine hundred seventy he was the president of the american correctional association. He makes speeches all of the us and all over the world. He travels around the world giving speeches as a expert on prisons. Get good good. So francis and fred start writing to each other a few times a week and more and more as time goes by sensors. Read every letter. Nothing can get through in some. Don't come write some letters. Don't even make it right on. December eleven nine hundred sixty seven. Fred got put in solitary for sharing buddhist materials. Got what is he going to learn. You cannot help it there anything. He helped shrink that braids. Fred what are you doing the balloon which is just like the if you if you were a prison person overseeing prison you'd be like great buddhism. Great yes you absolutely should be right. You'd be great very like but it's like buddhism you want some pasted tranquility. Go to the home so when he gets out. Bear tracks tells him if he keeps writing for other prisoners. He would go to the whole indefinitely. God so francis visiting also much can she learns about prison. The marshes i call shit. This place is just fucked and being punished for buddhism was. That's about as obvious. Seems like the custody she writes are pretty basic get to practice religion practice not perfect other prisoners. Start meeting with francis. There was a black muslim prisoner. Bobby brown he. It's a different one. It's not. I tried to get humping around to happen in this prison. And they won't let me he but he got put the whole for practicing his faith and then a guy named ronald novak had mental health issues so bad he he who he would have loosened and he kept being put into solitary and beaten. Surely that was helping with the mental issues. He also had a right. He did try to escape once and got caught So i wonder why what was what was not working about the situation. I'd like it seemed like it was a great place. It's like college. Essentially so francis stars writing up a document that she called the ellis report. It's basically just a big attack on the prison. She writes up. All the stories she was being told about in inmates standing on rails being hung from bars and straitjackets eatings with baseball bats and brass knuckles bear. Bear tracks often. Nali took part but was the first one to get in on the beatings and whatever else sure one prisoner had to shell peanuts. That velvety voice no swoon. It's like watching bobby. Darin kick someone's ass. It's just oh one prisoner had to show peanuts for five days straight how what is wha what is what's the peanuts situation. His fingers were so bad. He tried to kill himself by slashing his wrists. Oh my god. With what peanuts i peanut. Maybe i cannot imagine. I mean that is so fucked up even if you believe in i mean yeah i mean it's so obvious but it's like if you believe in correction how you think this is any way rehabilitative and obviously they don't this is just how you serve. Yes but it's the absurdity of what is the point at like the idea that everyone is oblivious that this person's being celebrated for things where you're like this is the whole point of this should be too correct. I mean they call it car department of corrections was not what it is though right. This fucking aig. They transferred slavery to prisons. And this is how they keep control just like and like if there's profit than who gives a shit so there were also guys call building tenders building. Tenders are prisoners who tend to the building. They are allowed to have weapons because they would attack other inmates that the guards tuned so the guards. I take down that guy for the cards up and then in turn the building. Tenders got tons of power. A francis wrote quote building. Tenders are henchman of the establishment and have authority to harass intimidate and even to beat possibly kill prisoners. They made a mini america. So this is one way that beto ran ran has prisons cheap was he didn't need to hire guards. Yeah because the prisoners were overseeing the prisoners man. Oh man and keeping them live. That doesn't cost to send you. Just give them some weapons privileges and you're good to go and some of the bill. The building tenants had had authority over lower guards. Mike god that's a tough situation for the whole thing's fucked up but if you're if you're actual hired guard listen. I don't feel comfortable having prisoner told me what he's been cleaning toilet. That's right clear. Good now so francis finishes report. She's since copies to state agencies civil rights groups share and battle hears about it or reads it and he complains to her boss at the legal aid office in austin and her boss immediately takes oliver cases away to do good good and then she calls up the the home office back east. And they're like okay. We'll move you out of there and they move her to a poverty law center in dallas. Okay six months later but oh calls that boss and then that boss tells her to stop going to the prisons he's like you're forbidden from going to the prisons and she's like no. I'm not doing that. And then her and her boss start fighting all the time and by fighting. I mean screaming in the office at each other okay. It didn't help their boss like the drink at lunch. Sure no no no. I've always found a wet lunch. Loosens the arguments up a little bit noon. Just i don't know what it is about. Getting hammered effect makes your rationally argue so he then writes in the. There was a good phase in this country. I mean a wet lunch was pretty regular. I mean right. It was like get all a super common right super common. I just can't imagine like being able to work and at your lunch. Have like gin american back. America should face at three pm. Everyday basically is how like the sixties were like seventy like just crazy. God i definitely feel like i fit into that era for ida crushed it if we go back to the time where you're smoking cigarettes indoors. You're drinking hard elk with b. l. T. or whatever. Greasy fucking your have lewd papa lewd. Greasy meal is a bealty like your greasy. Est meal just includes like a and lettuce burger cheeseburger. Well yeah that's i dave. Let's it back sitting there. You're having a big greasy. Fuck off burger. You know what. I mean some with chicken in it too. And maybe a fish patty. It's bacon just drip into shit with a budget chili fries. I mean dave or you're talking mushroom sandwich. shut the fuck up asshole so handle eminem. 's so her or fighting and then her boss like writes an official memo to block her from entering prisons so as her boss. You are forbidden this memo. And i love it. I love in the places where the freedom of the country represents the most to people. It's like felice given so begnaud gets a copy of that memo. And now he feels. He has a reason to block her from entering the presence. He was like well her. Her boss doesn't want her doing it. So i'll use this and the answer taken off the visiting lists and correspondence lists but she's now she's now officially the lawyer of fred barnes brown and novak right right. So she's being forbidden from communicating with her clients. Clients right so she thousand injunction and restraining order against beto and my boss enter by us. Good god thank. You know not enough people file restraining orders against their boss that way if you're buzzed as the best thing to do to just like get down from just simply take go to court filed the restraining order. They'll be served. It will be fantastic job great. Everyone started doing that. Let's just do it pat anderson. Yes this is from samantha. Banners has filed a restraining order. But she works for me. Well you're not allowed to talk to her anymore. What are you made you actually go to the office of. She's there it's my office. Goddamn it was. What are you made it was you. Can you can sit in the parking lot of my office. Yeah well that's that's one hundred feet otherwise i've been violation of. Yeah that's right. She pulled a really good one on me to really good move. She's pulled okay so her boss immediately fires her. Obviously he's like. Oh what the fuck he. Fires the best. Even if you're just gonna quit or or whatever you're done that's how you should gets just file. Just it's the best way to get fired. It's the best way. There's a bit better. It's going to take a little time but if you have a month of wiggle room where you're like i'm gonna need that. You could probably get it done so it takes a couple of months but she gets another job at a legal aid clinic at texas southern university law school in houston. She does not make much money. She has barely any money but she could still work on the prisoners cases but she keeps. She still can't speak to him. That's still not that has been cleared up now. The prisoners are being pushed for sure. They're being moved between gary segregated. Isolation and prison officials tried to get one to sign papers accusing francis of inciting violence man. Jesus christ and it's it takes a lot of work and a lot of time to get things to the point where there's nobody around like. Hey does this seem terrible. Anybody say it's really awful now. Seems fun to me. It's just how we do business. I understand but none of your like a little irt. it's just so horrible is skewed. Excuse me what is it. Your book balance. You told me that. I just i mean you're not giving these guys any shot this horrible that i mean. Why is it staring at me. Like i mean. It's really shitty. It's been shitty and it's getting shittier kidding. I'm peanuts we got ups may know. You're you're a prisoner. You're not allowed to order. Yes thank you tell yourself. They're all very weird. Francis is being watched like she's like. I'm being watched. And she thinks her phone is bugged. Bobby brown was. I don't know what a strip sellers. But they say he was in a strip. Shell no sheets. No pillows know. Toiletries stripped of any amenities. I think that's what it means or go all or it's got a poll in it. Yeah i might have been a dance dance situation hot for teacher here i go again. Novak is brutally beaten by building tenders then put in solitary for weeks for beating up the billing he they beat him up and then they charge him with beating them absolutely. Yeah that's like when the cops eight cops tackle one guy and keeps shutting. stop resisting. Yeah fred. Fred has spent so much time in the whole now that he can barely speak. he like can't put words together. Texas lawyers had been completely avoiding francis when she got there. But now this is like an actual constitutional issue. She can't see clients so one very powerful attorney called the state's attorneys-general office and put pressure on them in the state's attorney general added to overstep your boundaries and they got her back to see your clients. Okay if they negotiated if she dropped her legal action against better okay. Her legal action was to yeah to see your clients. What did she file a restraining order against him to also restraint. Yeah right but yes so. They're basically like all right. We'll let you see your clients if you stop trying to see your clients understand how this works so other prisoners. See this is like a victory there like this lady beat better. Yeah alto so now all these all these prisoners in are asking for her help. Oh my god yeah. She's probably like a beetle. And she helped fred and novak filed a lawsuit now against a the texas tdc rule that bans inmates from helping each other legal matters. Okay which seems like it should be a legal layup still the craziest like the fact that you have to file a lawsuit to let prisoners talked into other and a file a lawsuit to allow people to understand what lawsuits are so francis with an acp lawyer because she hasn't had trial experience. And he he. He flew in and they work seven days a week on this a month before the trial the steering went out on francis car okeydokey and she crashed but she was okay and she was pretty sure as was couple of are like that doesn't just happen. That's that's not just a random thing right so they think the car's been messed with but no proof chief. I'm just in my head. I'm like i'm just thinking like of the things you do like cutting the brakes so much more effective than like removing the star of the steering going out. It's not great. It's great but i could definitely handle that more than i could handle. Yes you can slow the car down. Yeah i'd go to the brakes immediately. I mean i wouldn't be ideal. You know what i mean. You'd probably be like excuse me you'd have to have your hand out the window. Doing one of the skews matt. i would imagine. This is exactly. The conversation went down between the two guys who are deciding what to do what we could do. We're gonna go. Let's let's cut the. Let's cut the brakes. I mean i to make a case for the steering. it's comedic -ly stronger is that we're going for. I feel like we're not just say look. We've been talking about this for a while i've just brakes is so cliche. Okay i'll give you that attack and it's it's yeah. So what are you see like. See her to turn. She goes into like a big bale of hay. Could still i still not say. We don't go ahead with the plan. Where i pissed center washer fluid tank that i was thinking to this new one. We shoot her in the head. I'm we're not. Let's take a five the pitcher who needs to be grounded again. This is way out of we put the good in the engine and we say the card it all right will be from that area of the room. The pitching will now be ceasing. So that's the end of that by the way we're not bringing kids to work anymore and we'll call it an auto matic weapon. It's just every part of it sucks. It's not anywhere near what we need. I live but i climbed to just go with the ping in the tank. Okay i i you pammy. We'll see we'll just that's it. We're not collaborating any longer. I feel like we're really getting somewhere. Where far apart chasm twix us so the trial starts in december. The judge is democrat. Who was appointed by kennedy. So they're like oh they're like oh shit. We found one we got. That's a good sign in texas. So novak testifies i and he explains he's been starved isolated beaten. Yeah objection three pieces of bread. A day is not stall at a man called was that i do whoa. Why don't you just have cable television. So he also explains how he cut through his achilles tendon to avoid work and to get into. Oh my god why there's surely there's lesser injuries. It was so common to cut your achilles tendon imprison. What did it had a nickname. They call that. he'll stringing self. I've sorry oh. My god i would just not i would. I'd be like my elbows. Gashed command gonna do it. I'll look at the scab on my hand. You know to carve out your fucking achilles now after hearing his testimony you'll stringing he'll stringing it really is tara that is i mean. Obviously it's horrifying. That's like it's tough so the judge the judge asked novak about the time he tried to escape and said quote. What are they supposed to do. Give you a medal. So the judge said that. Yeah now. it's pretty clear at this point that this is not the favourable judge that they hoped it was right right okay and when fred testified the judge takes over the questioning so he just jumps in in front of the attorney and just going to town so the the prison. The prison attorney is essentially just like proceed. Yes go ahead. Your honor your honor. Well just say it sounds a little ridiculous and he. He asked fred. He's like what should happen to you. Besides solitary what would what would that be quote. Is there another way to show you. He's this is what the judge says quote. How about whipping would that deter people from violating the regulations in prison if you tied them to a stake in the prison yard and whip them not breaking any bones not with them unconscious but whip them so they know they've had a whipping. What is i mean. What year at this moment. It kennedy's fist just punch through the ground. Just like a so so fred. Fred is his calm. Self fred is is. There's a reason they said he has leadership qualities. He doesn't get to any very he. Very calmly explains how solitary just breeds anger and therefore more crime solitary does not as you said before are. They tried to help. These people are not. He says it's opposite. The judge is not having it quote the law did not give you the power to make the regulations you are just an uneducated young man with an eighth grade education. The law puts power to regulate the prisons in experts. Hands like dr beto. Why don't you recognize that. What the people of texas wants to do in obeys regulations. Even disagree with them sure. Yeah okay great. Counterpoint counter great counterpoint. Yeah you can put shut the fuck up. Yeah but we do what we want what we wanted to shut. It doesn't back down. The judge knows that this is being recorded right like you know. He's a judge. He does his worth. Fred doesn't back down. He he explains his beliefs quote. He is under the obligation of the law. Just like i am. You know fred. Basically kicked ass on the stand. He was very calm. And he's just like no. This is not constitutional. What's happening to us right. It's violating my constitutional rights. Even though you get the constitution put them in the whole. That's it all time. I got a whole here in in court. I a portable hall so beto takes the stand and the judge asks why prisoners shouldn't be helping other other prisoners with legal stuff. Okay quote oh. I can't wait. He could develop an unconscionable control over other inmates by setting himself up as a lawyer. There are two types of prisons. Those the convicts run and those the administration run. I live in more of fear of a convict run prison. This is he has the toys pre president. Yeah front prison. So by design by the way the level of total paranoia that he like. He's just like what we're worried about is will be a me. Well we fear me. I mean this. This is a class thing. This is a race thing right and this is the black. The black people are not allowed to treat me as an equal or even yes slightly looked me in the eye and show any sort of humanity and as are the poor white guy like. That's all this is this is you are at your level and even and even looking been iron saying i don't care what seat i said on that is to them and subordinate regis. Well as well as it's just like you know. I mean check than you. This is what happens. You just get total evil. So trial ends now. He hasn't reached decision yet. It's going to be one of the judges closing argument. I wanna give one to reach gentlemen of the jury. You've seen an absolute. I saw trail motherfuckers coming through here. So after the trial there waiting for the judges ruling and imagine what wonder which way helene the president of the texas southern university tells the law school president to fire francis because the university is going to lose funding so basically after the trial beto is so mad that he he calls ron to every rich guy he knows and he says tell them. You're not going to give funding into fire this woman right so fred's put in isolation and he's denied all privileges a couple months later he gets his hand on a pen and he writes a class action lawsuit against the state of texas on toilet paper. Oh my god. Very fitting amazing. Yeah and he accuses. The state punishing him for trying to practice this religion and then the toilet paper is smuggled out and francis files it in a district court on the toilet paper. The toilet paper is filed in the court. This is an ass action lawsuit. That's amazing to be like. What is this this is. There's been an injunction of justice. Sir we must file toilet paper. yes it is. It's quilted northern. What is very soft. It's very soft it's two ply. It's shocking that they give it to the prisoners. But you'll notice there's little bridges but he's still is able to ride on on a lot of it but it is. It's fantastic and the road. The roles lasts longer than you would think too because it is quilted now very difficult time right now because i i would like to file this but i also need to make. Oh please please please please file that before the toilet paper you can. I'll get you some ones without a class. Action lawsuit written on them is. I just realized the toilet. I thought the first time. I read this. I was like he ran on toilet paper and i just realized the toilet papers so bad that you can write on it. Yeah put that together paper. It's it's that type of toilet paper where you're like. I think it's tissue paper where i could see through it very clearly. It's almost like a deck window. I can a you know what i mean. It's like frosted. It's like frosted glass god. Yeah it's like a shower after shower so the judge rules in october and he says because the td had hired one attorney for all fourteen thousand inmates in this state they did not have the right to help each other because they were audrey represented. I don't understand one more time. So this whole thing is like can they. Yeah can make other and help each other right. And he says no. They can't legally help each other in prison. Because they have precipitation because the state of texas has hired one lawyer to represent fourteen thousand inmates. Okay so well. It started to feel like it's the games tilted and he says in his ruling without solitary the entire texas prison system would fall apart. I just wrote. It is clear to the court from the evidence that the texas department of corrections is an outstanding institution in every respect. The court is further convinced. The dr george beto director is fair kind and just man an excellent administrator where refused to believe that adolf hitler is anything more than a compassionate speaker with some outlandish plans that man and a lot of that is clearly just based on fear like because of his power power. You know it's fear but it's also this is just good old boy stuff this just good old boys back in good old boy and we still have tons of these things where they're like totally obvious and you're not allowed to even mention them otherwise people go to your instagram until i sorry go ahead. The toilet paper suit is dismissed on the grounds that the right to religious freedom was up to the prison so right to religious freedom. It's up to listen to that ruling. It's the right to religious freedom so yes it's denied religious freedom. It's not religious freedom so novak is now just a complete mess. He can no longer speak. His heartbeat becomes irregular. Oh cool he breaks out in rashes. He starts spitting up blood. He's in so much pain he can't eat. The guards refused to give him pain medicine. Cool when the prison cycle. A psychiatrist makes his rounds. He sees novak and he is horrified and immediately grabs the phone. And says i am not bullshitting. Get an ambulance right now. This is dying robert. Novak dies the day. After christmas when francis goes to the prison she's told to find a notary and proven writing that she is a lawyer. She's way they want her. They want notarized proof that she's a lawyer. Yeah the texas prison okay. All right well she shows them or texas bar card. In the like yeah. It's not now we gonna need a notary to be get notaries. One of those jobs are it seems so respectable. But then you're like you like when you. Pc it'd be a notary. It's really crazy. You just needed like a little time to stamp. And i'm not downplaying like notaries. Thank god bless you but the idea that like anything hinging upon. Get the notary okay. So on other visits when she goes back. They say the client's are working at the time or they've been in a fight and they're not available they just make an hour trying to kill him so give us a little bit. We took his tongue out a little while. Now they also had send her she goes to maiden they'd send the wrong prisoner to meet with her. So it's just they're just it's just the bullshit that you'd expect all right now. He can't he can't because he's swollen for no apparent reason so so big we don't he's got a case of the swells. He's like a bull fro. We don't know what his problem is must be the humidity so she keeps a record of all this shit. Now bear tracks mcadams had been moved to another prison so the new warden is not better. Severe punishments continue. Fred goes to the whole for putting on his shoes in the hallway. Lord now that god that time the warden came down and grabbed fred by the neck and slant him against the wall and said your lawyers shouldn't speak my name or i'll send you out in a pine box quote. Somebody should killed you a long time ago. Okay so clearly. We've got a rational hierarchy. Just obviously just i mean just crazy so francis her clients now start turning against her prison authorities said if they fired her as a lawyer. They'd be treated better and clients are refusing to see her letter. Start arriving there. Firing her and some of the letters attacker quote miss jealous. I'm beginning to catch onto a few things. Number one is that you have a personal grudge against the tdc and are using a few prisoners to help you get your foot in the door if you have any care or compassion for your clients privy to them by not returning and stirring them up terrible a prisoner named donald locke who she does not represent accuses francis of ordering him to be beaten in prison three times right because we all know how much they were listening to her so he then says he. He wants her kicked out of the texas bar and then building. Tender physique can files conspiracy suit against francis and oliver clients. He says they were trying to start a prison revolt. And then a second building tender files the exact same suit so then lock files a third suit. Wow and then. After filing the suit lock is promoted to trustee which is just below the building tender right. You're a lieutenant or whatever. Okay newspapers go crazy with the story. Houston chronicle quote inmate. Claims woman lawyer is an agitator. It's so easy. It really is crazy because it is so easy to do this over and over again it just. It doesn't take much. It's just like you just need a spark a bullshit and the media's tender meter media and the people are just able to be persuaded by bullshit so consistently and easily teaching revolutionary ideas and threatening. Prisons means. she's right. I mean we're really she is. She's teaching about rights. That is it is. It's absolutely but she has no. She has no states state power. So these suits aren't based in law like it's not a thing it's extra just completely ridiculous and frivolous. They don't make sense. Yes she has the power to do right. But it's still it's scandalous and it's a headline and it's annoying and it's you know talking points and the judge comes in front of doesn't care. He puts all the suits together having let them continue if successful. This is a good driver out of texas and now around this time. Riots are happening all over the us prisons more and more and more rapidly increasing. And then on. September ninth attica. Prison riot happens five days. Forty two hostages over forty die including guards employees. Beto was the main speaker at a governors conference while attica was going on and he said attica was what happened when you let the convicts run the prisons it really. I mean it is so you know what i mean. It's just like it is just the classic. Where like it's like you. You're doing it's you. You're talking about you and you're trying to use what you do to scare everybody. Yeah i mean we see it all the time now but that thing where like your doing the bad gang and then you blame the others who are essentially the victims of the thing. You're doing so many people go. That's right. I know it's just it's so easy like at least it used to be like complicated. Yeah now you're just literally like you did it. Hey did it. Hey did it. He did it. Yeah so after attica. He's beddoes got whenever ammo or you know. So he bars francis again from going to the prison. She's the trouble. You don't want another attica so she now represents fifty prisoners and they're all denied the right to a lawyer. Obviously this is a massive. Just yes this is crazy that this so yeah fred immediately. As soon as she's bar he's like. I'm fucking danger in two days later. A building tender dragged him out of his cell and beat him with a blackjack quote. No fucking greasier is going to take over my cellblock. He's hospital for twelve days. Then he was putting the whole for the building tender. Beat him up. And now what's it called. Now when they have a good behavior right in texas. This time it was called it was called time. Sure right well by the way. That's also the bar that i'm opening. I'm opening a bar. Good boy time. Good point come on so he law for this for this attack. Which he didn't do he was beaten up all his good boy. Time i it's it's it's obviously bad. I just wish the name wasn't so childish. No it's crazy it's like are we having i mean i can't play talk. No talk no talking today. Good boy time for you. Housed tonka truck was gonna go get the concrete and make a fake not today. It's not a good boy. Dad's gone my time. No so he's going to lose seven years now so this is going to keep in jail for a long time but now really big lawyers are like okay this right too much. It's a clear attack on constantly right. So they they pressure better at he gives in again now. Instead of the ban beto sends two dozen of francis clients to the wind unit. So this is another prison and it is known as the broke dick farm by other prisoners. Because that's where prisoners with mental health. Problems were sent farm. You're horrified what does that. I don't wanna know any more about it. They came up with a fun name. The brookdale farm. So there's a new warning charge. Dick's they're not actually breaking decks. They sang you. Don't work anymore. You'd like your your stop. your brain doesn't work. it doesn't work. Okay nothing's functioning is what they're saying so new warden had been put in charge there. His name was baer tracks mcadams. It's weird because i feel like that rings a bell for some reason and a bad that velvet voice cherub. This is how bad the texas prison system is. Oh my lord. When he becomes word a new prison he brings all of his building tenders with him from his old prison. That is so strange. So you have your posse of prisoners that are just like movable there your enforcers yeah no you've got and he knows he can trust them to beat up the other prisoners and do terrible stun terrible all because everybody fears being the lowest tier and so now all of these twenty four guys that are all francis clients. They're put together in the b wing and they are called by the prison or whoever the eight ho work squad. I don't know why they were kept away from all the roommates. They're totally isolated in the prison. They get no recreation time. They work six days a week at the very worst jobs that are in the prison. They also drugged them. So doctors are prescribing. Large amounts of psychoactive drugs thorazine. That's why that's why they're sent to the broke. That's what they sent. The mental horizons air. And so they're like. Let's just say these guys all mental health issues and drug him up right they also put them together mixing the races. Which if anybody has ever seen anything about american presence it's a big issue so it's essentially like there's a fights a nightmare start here. You just do that. That's a huge issue. So they figure the prisoners are gonna tear each other apart. Better figured this would keep them from spreading their trump right. What's the other prisoners right. He's like well. Let's isolate them so they won't be able to and then we'll mix the racist and they'll fuck each other like right but what he ended up creating was something called solidarity. These guys were all francis clients and that means they all became very familiar with the law over time. They were all writ. Writers in prison. Francis had been showing them teaching them how to work the legal system and now they are put together and they were able to share their knowledge with each other That is so. It's i mean it's a horrible but it's so great that like bettas dumb. Yeah so just to be like we'll get them all together and they'll fight. It's like your whole thing has been. Don't let them talk to each other but he doesn't again he doesn't treat them like human beings so he doesn't see them as human being right he doesn't see that solidarity could occur right right a historian quote in effect. The eight ho squad would become one of the most successful prisoners rights law firms in the country. We're ho ho ho ho ho ho and the law firm of he basically created a prisoner legal dream team right jane. It doesn't seem like there's a ton of bruises on your boys what you've been doing and and francis told them to stop taking the drugs and so james greg's knew the rules and regulations of other institutions lawrence. Pope was a white ex-banker who had organizational skills and a great memory. That a trained nurse. Alvin slayton who took care of their wounds and illnesses. When they got roughed up david rees would take any physical punishment that the prison thickets. He would step up and take the beatings. Tell the other is. There's there's so far. The worst job. I've heard of like all right. We've got a nurse. We've got a banker We've got the punching bag fred. Had been working with for instance so long that he could. He just knew her legal mind so he would just quote her legal reasoning when anybody talked about spread in that group or not. Yeah friends in there okay. Eight inmate guadalupe geraldo. It was the worst thing that could have done. We got all the best brains togethers in two weeks. The eighth squad was drafting a lawsuit and this time they were going to sue beto personally for denying them their constitutional my god when oh my god if to be a fly on the wall lawsuit comes through just imagining that. They're beating the snot out of each other for two weeks but reality. They've just come up with the best lawsuit. Possible francis was was going to be a plane if also now around christmas robert novak's case appeal was heard i. It's interesting to me that since he was already dead they let it go forward but i went forward so the judge's decision was thrown out and it was ruled the tc failed to provide prisoners with legal services and so they shouldn't be punished for helping each other legally. Wow okay on. Top of that bay said any good time lost because of the results get resort. Good good time goodbye right. Because he's had good time. And i'm afraid that that's just told us i was thinking of the show. Good just be a little more aware next time because we've got a great term and let's not squander it so basically the judge at some point had to sort of be like well unfortunately when it comes to good bore tom because you had taken away a tremendous amount of the good board. Tom the only way i see fit is to not only restore the but for the good board time to also be calculated and reimbursed so that the potentially we could have up to three to four days. We could have good boy. There could be so much good. Hold on there could be so much good board time built up. I call it rollover minutes which makes no sense now but maybe in the future will but it's good for time and the good board. Tom will then be made up. So you potentially looking at four to five days of uninterrupted good time good will be reinstated and then we'll do bad boy time in my chambers. What the restoration of good point. Time meant was frank. Bruise was just now months away from getting out. Wow and ninety seventy two. The francis stirring up a revolution case would see the court right right. The case is not a case. Yeah and the case against that. They were suing him. Back would also be heard. Oh my god we are potentially on the precipice of a one to. It's all coming to ahead like this. Is it right and francis is. She's barely making enough money to pay food and ranch making one hundred ninety bucks a month. She has no money so she can't afford to do any of this. So six houston. Aclu lawyers decide to jump in and help defender against the building. Tenders suits good. Okay so the judge then picks. I don't know exactly how this happens. Legally but the judge picks the lawyers to represent the building tenders as plaintiffs. That's really weird. Because it's like it's very yes because obviously as we've even heard in the story there's a predisposition on some of this stuff so you could either stack it or you. could you know. Well what he anchor it. He he picks very powerful big lawyers and the judges can hear both cases so is going to hear the the building tenders case against francis first and then the completely forget about it and then so on march twenty nine hundred seventy. The supreme court ruled on fred's toilet paper case so right that case got dismissed by texas courts and then made its way all supreme court would the most important toilet paper ever. This may be. Yes i mean this. I they still think it's the only case that has been submitted on toilet paper. I mean it just even hearing it is very but anyway the supreme court decides the texas has discriminated against him and denied his right to pursue his religion. They this is really the idea of even wiping your ass with this. To us seems disgraceful. I mean it's basically rice paper. It's really so anyway. But all that means is that texas courts now up to hear the case right right so fred fred is released from prison. Fucking gets out and fred and francis relationship and always been very professional but pretty obvious that they really liked each other. We'll a month after getting out. They dropped a mexican got married. Wow wow now the the lawyers are like what the fuck. The trial was the next week and that marriage was huge news. And it is a quite evolved step. The houston chronicle headline quote. women lawyers. Sixty one weds ex-con thirty two. I mean a name. It'd be nice but sure woman lawyer. A superhero women lawyer all the stories point out that she's a law school grad and he's a dropout eighth grade and sure francis has to explain everyone like they never talked about their feelings until he was out. And you know this is what ace lures were like. Fuck did we get taken in by someone here but anyway it goes forward right. Trial starts one of the building. Tenders was released from prison on the second day. The trial so one of the two guys. It's filed the suit. It's probably pay off for filing suit. But as soon as they let him out he's like okay bye and he just he just takes off. He doesn't come back to the trial. Perfect perfect good. Good okay so get it. I get it but still it would be nice. They should have held until after the trial. I would say that's fair share. So the other the other tenor locker still. Their cases is still proceeding. And they claim francis with fred. I plan to take over the prison. Like what who gives a shit like what. Why didn't you do. Yeah craziest craziest. You'd ever yeah these the prisoners where they were going to take over the prison. Maybe so other building tenders testified and they all lie. They say francis told them. Riots like attica were necessary. One testified that francis had told him to kill another prisoner. She told me she started attica. She's this woman is the scariest fucking woman is seen. She claimed titanic to me. She said she she killed the titanic. She said that she had. She's she. Punctured it and andrew with fist. Yeah but she yeah. She punched right hole into the titanic. And then she admitted to us that she loved it and she only regret was the more people didn't die on that day. What this is. She's going she's going to do nine eleven. Yeah we don't even know but she keeps saying it's end bova over over. Those are alert. she also did admit to us that she created hitler that it was. He was a baby and then she kept him in a cardboard box in a basement with holes poked in it and shouted roots stuff at tara and then and then wouldn't let them grow a normal moustache made a have a little. She wouldn't let the hair go past the nostril and it looks ridiculous at the time. But that's also that's yeah that's her obviously anyway. I'm done any other testimony. Yeah she but she's evil and she as she shot she shot me with lasers from her. Yeah i from her eyes and her pants. She's so in closing what we are saying is. She's of evil she's evil bad bad can we've so i'm i'm in jail for a killed seventy four people. She did it though. Before i met her she scares me. She did it now. Ben tracks mcadams testified and he said francis tried to rile the inmates up quote after one or two visits there was more work stoppage more fights more tension more men in solitary and she got more men putting solitary bench spot pictures to show the judge to show how much prisons had improved under beto. Yeah i really really hard. Yeh they tell the full story for sure. That's what's great about him. Francis took the stand in the second week. It was pretty obvious the second she stepped on. Hold on jose. Jose's mailing holding fucking this this guy. Sorry go ahead okay. So he brings the he shows the pictures but the second she takes a stand and sits down starts. It's obvious that calling her. A revolutionary mastermind an orange. It's just fucking up. Search a nice older lady lake right. They're like oh god. Don't look into her eyeballs. that's what she can move your brain. There's also zero evidence that she has done anything. There's no evidence of anything don't need evidence to prove things now. Fred is having a hard time outside sometime into the trial he brought. He bought a bottle of booze and got drunk and then he missed the trial that day and that night he ended up in hospital because he was having a hard time breathing so he probably probably took heroin so that but again. That's something that like. You know the optics of that obviously are not good but when you hear the depth of the abuse you can you know. There's no yeah. I mean you're not allowed to really be like he's likes drugs. There's life had been taken away from him. Women's time for francis to put on defense. She presented all the shit. The prisons had been up to. It went out for a month. She she put on a month barrage. It's prisoners and ex-prisoners one after their testifying over brutality. Many of them are pointing the finger at bear. Track the mcadams saying he was violent. He start most things sir but the pictures one described. How one time. Inmates were shot by bear tracks while they were escaping and then he'd laid them out as they bled in front of the dining hall quote. We had to walk through the blood to get to the dining room. Wow another explained that he had also cut his achilles tendon he said air trucks that no no another prisoner cut his achilles tendon. It's just after a lot of witnesses. Donald locke asked the defense to put them back on the stand. So this guy who filed the lawsuit and got turned into a trustee has been watching a month of prisoners and ex-prisoners testify and is just like any takes the stand and he testified that prison officials said. If he brought the suit against francis he'd be taken care of. Well that's your killer. He started quote living the good life he could order around low level guards and say who to solitary so the whole thing is being flipped on. Its fucking head right. Yeah he's now saying like. I brought this suit but they they. The prisoners run the prison. And this is how bad it is and this is and he explained of out the prison was and how bad beto and backtracks mcadams were and he also said that he was now going to died. They were going to kill him. And so the judge had taken into protective custody and hadn't put in a jail city jail. That was outside the prison system. Okay bet went up and took the stand. He denies everything he says. Building tenders have no power quote. I think generally the inmates regard building tenders as porters janitors. And the like. i absolutely. That's clear and that's the one thing have been made clear. It's so bad at lying. Yeah yeah they're just like complete deflections like they're not like nuance rationales there. There's no rational. Yeah i say whatever i want and then i i walk away. Yeah so an aco you lawyer went up and just fucking glittering better like he was just he looked like a fucking moron asshole monster when it was over a rat. The records show that one building tender headset. An inmate on fire and sexually assaulted a bunch of others and the lawyer has beto if this was the type of guy who was a building tender tender and beto said quote. You're not recognizing that people can change. I mean a did he. Explode did just pie. Mountains of shit. Come out of him and then. He admitted that he got francis. Fired okay now. This trial did not go. Great for beto. One plaintiff had bailed another testified for the defense. So the judge says quote. I've never seen a case like this before for the past six weeks. I've felt that i lived on another planet. Literally he ruled there was no conspiracy and that the countersuit was next with the same judge hearing that case. So he's like everything we are. The case against francis is fucking bullshit. Let's start the next case. Okay okay. I like it and and it's the same judge hearing the case so he's already heard everything right. You heard it all. He's just been living on another planet for six weeks and francis and fred in the they easily won her clients. Easily one infringed on france in clients rights and the case. This case is unprecedented. No prisoner in texas and everyone a lawsuit. Against the head of the department of corrections beto was forced to pay francis in her clients. Ten thousand dollars. Twenty thousand legal fees but more than that. His reputation was obliterated publicly humiliated. He retired a month later. And the eight. Ho squad felt completely victorious. They took down the most powerful man in the texas prison. Those powerful men in the just. It's the Hearing re retirement is just such a not punishment but it still is insurmountable victory. He you know he should be in jail bear tracks. Who did they should be in prison. And that's that's the thing. I'm like if you want to correct this stuff. These people all need to go to jail. Yeah today back then. They need to go. They need to be punished severely. But that's not our system so but essentially it was shot across the bow of prisons across the country. Francis kept working for prisoners from their ten years. Her fred move chicago. She tried to get him hit him admitted to harvard law. School but was declined. Eventually fred started using drugs again and she tried to stick by him. She paid for rehabs but they ended up getting divorced in nineteen seventy eight. He remarried and had a daughter who he named francis. Fred crews drive at doug dino under his new wife is like as new iphone who is francis. Mild room is to play volleyball with him. A guy francis fred cruz died of a drug overdose in one thousand nine hundred forty seven. It was on the beginning for the texas department of corrections. A massive class action suit was next in december. Nineteen eighty judge ruled. The prison system is operating in fundamentally unconstitutional. manner francis. Gillette died in one thousand nine hundred four. She was eighty four. So you know her and to combat asses. Unfortunately fred had you know his his his demons but state mandated demons but look he did he and francis did something incredible. Yeah you know there. It's a great. This is a great story in The main sources the love story. That i'm ben up ended the texas prison system by waters. And that's in texas monthly Pretty crazy fucking story but you know it just shows what you have to fight to get. Yeah just basic right. So i mean that's we're talking about right but change change in any metric the amount you have to just well in a guy got killed right. A prisoner got killed n if you live. It's cost you. I mean we've seen that a lot you know it does cost you your life in many ways even if you survive. It's that level of trauma and abuse. It's not. I don't think it's not possible to forget it. And you know personal. The country go on strike all the time. Because they're still just massive brutality. It's still i mean are conscious as they can be. Slaves shifted it. Yeah yeah and not only that. But it's like you know. Our country has found ways to further step on rights to create more slaves. And that is that's what should and once you're in the system you know. Yeah i mean how you know how how you get out of that. They've made it harder and harder. Even if you're not in prison they making so that your life is very difficult. Kicked off camper vote whatever. Yeah all right gang. Well we've had a lot of fun. You've had a lot of fun. This dollar podcast. Keep it light since one thousand nine hundred seven. This suffered dave anthony. This gareth roads. Are we still are cited cars. I signed about a week. And half ago dave and keep it fun keep it light having fun things. Fine djidjov yourself and listen to this new song. Dave we're going to leave with the song today. It's a little regular new song from sheryl crow called. Everything's out where to get into reggae. But that's what she's done. Let's go plant all righty goodbye gang fuck.

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487 - Curtis Turner

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

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487 - Curtis Turner

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No long term commitments are contracts. Just go to stamp dot com. Click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in dallas that stamps dot com promo code dollop. Stamps dot com. Never go to the post office again. I also want to say we should also tell people that we're going to take a bunch of episodes at recorded during the pandemic and we're gonna take them off array the we'll leave him up on patriots but basically it's very hard to do improv means zoom and it essentially through it through us off a little bit. I don't want to up gareth so it. It sounds like i'm not participating. So i just don't think they sound is good so we're just going to. We're going to move those that's all. Yeah and then. We're we haven't. We've only got a couple of videos up of us doing the show but we'll get a couple more up and hopefully we'll start able start doing In the real sex couple of weeks. It's the plan you my baby girl. Oh i should just record you are baby. You're a baby. You're a little baby baby. Okay would you please. Will you please say that you're my baby girl before we start so they can go. Who is my baby girl. Can we start. Who is my baby girl. Who is it. I'm baby girl. April twelfth nineteen twenty four. Yes that's right baby girl. Curtis turner was born in floyd virginia. His parents were more morton and many loving. Let's say they were mice. Cartoon mice had mices parents. Wow jump cap. that's quite a jump. Impresses me subtypes could actually. A mini was very strict She's churchgoing morton owned a sawmill. And was one of the biggest moonshine runners in the county. Now would you come home. You better bring me lots of moods. Darling has covered the song more mini the sitcom you did they did morton and mini like if you meet someone that you have that level of alliteration in common with that you do sound like you are animated mice. You don't pursue it. It's like finding out someone's a cousin to guy k. We believe it is what it is. We can't do it so Morton made the moonshine. He it he transported it mornings. Moon job you know. It's what you see the piece of cheese on the bottom shine. Check look for the cheese. Morton said he realized curtis would someday be a great driver when he was eight because whenever there was a car in front of them on the road. Curtis would say quote passing. daddy pass him Yeah and that is certainly a good indication that your son will be good at driving. Yeah that's that's always not the kind of guy who shows a handgun while driving. When he gets into a road rage argument on the freeway was someone. It'll be good at driving because he expresses aggression faith in his ability. That's like your dad. I think he's going to be a good driver when he was nine. And then you hit a guy off of his motorcycle. So that i saw that i saw you the first time i heard about that you told it on stage and i was like what do you for a couple of years and i was like. What is he serious. We're driving films. There's a motorcycle a thin goes. We didn't you nakagawa's motorcycle on the highway. And i was like he was punching me. He was like so then. You hit them. The latest greatest. The greatest dancer is punching me. Your father got himself involved in normal situations So when chris nine morton was arrested for running moonshine and then from that curtis was less than that he took away. Was that as far as moonshine. Running goes you should never get caught. Yep that's right. That is so he went to the goodfellas school of lessons. That's right yeah. The problem is that you were left. You fingerprints some people said that it was a sin. Now the problem was you've gotten sloppy and caught. Don't get caught. You commit your crimes you get it out the first rule of shine club so curtis learns to drive at ten okay. That's not okay. So how is he going to get to school. That's my response to you. I would volley back with. We need new parents. I don't know what we're gonna do. Well i'll tell you. The solution mini mini many. No wait on morton he should drive itself we. We saw the same way those same so as soon as e learn how to drive. He made his first moonshine run. Now you're saying at ten years old you mean ten right. This is child labor but yeah so he is driving a car at ten which is crazy and then as soon as he's driving he is running shine on shine run. He's on shot. he makes us. I shine run. Yeah he's yeah right. Yeah okay quote. This was the first time i'd ever driven alone Well they say that. It's basically like parental supervision. If you have a bottle with the cork in it and three that is basically. That's basically a dad. So the car was loaded up with one hundred gallons of liquor. That's a good amount of liquor for a tenure. It's a lot a lot is happening. And there was a mail truck in front of him on the road and he oh he forgot what he was supposed to pass on so he passed on the right and drove into fence. I would say that's a good read on why you're too young to drive. Which side do. I pass the one with the ditch or the with road. I think it's the ditch side so now morton didn't really want cra- he crashed crashed. His car is ten year old car with one hundred gallons of moonshine. Yeah i think. I think you know moonshine. Like his dad had a fleet of cars so he probably just was driving one of the cars. Like don't worry son. i'm not mad at. Yeah yeah so. But more after after getting arrested morton didn't really want kurdistan. Moonshine still did jar got arrested or morten. They'll one more member more and got arrested previously. Okay okay. I thought you meant he got. He only got a fine but he didn't think it was the right life for him. Having one of those moments clarity starting to think my my my ten year old shouldn't be running moonshine. Just just really mad this. Nothing more than the league illegality. He's just in a park looking in a pond. What's it all about curtis drops out of school at fourteen. He starts working at his dad's sawmill as a waterboy at sixteen though he was a regular moonshine. Rudder making fifty dollars a keg. Okay so that's that's a lot of money for back then like he's we're talking sixteen. Yeah as at sixteen so we're talking Nineteen forty so. That's a lot of money doing really well for sixteen by seventeen. He's making his own moonshine now. He'd made so much money that by the time he's eighteen. He owns three sawmills. How he's also really really smart businessman. His father had started teaching them about trees when he was fourteen and all the lumber timber. Cyprus apple an apple tree. Let's just an apple who could that's. That's that's from the tree. I brought apples over where to store. I cannot treasonous shop. you're losing it son. Those times i walk into a room. And what are their kyaw. Sawmills would cut cut down the trees right and then they would sell quick but curtis had a different idea. He he would have the trees cut down and then even hold onto the would intel the price rose and it was at its highest. And then he'd sell it so he kind of was like backwards. Ribbing would it was. He was mic rub or a shamrock. Would no no. I don't believe the shamrocks shit. No no no sir. Please did not enter the doj. Oh if you're not familiar with. I guess i have a guess. I'm not no no no shake as seasonal well. The rumor is that with the mcrib. They wait for the meat that they use to drop like whatever horrible pork sauce it is they wait for that to drop real low and then once that once that is at its lowest and bottoms out then they buy all that disgusting sludge and then they start making the mic ribs. So that's the rumor. That's that's the rumor mill. you're talking sawmill. So but i'm just saying that's so he waits for the market to be the most accommodating as does mickey. d's that up papa. that's barely pig loving it diarrhea but that well poop and again. We'll terrible story that you told little little reverse dial up inside so other saw owners didn't understand how d- how he's doing this because he was paying his workers and not selling the would but that's because every night he was making moonshine runs and he could afford to right so frightened so that night these night he's night timing as a shiner. That's right nitric moonlighting. He's moonshine lighting. Yes we got. So there's this weird unwritten rule back then if a driver didn't get caught while on the road. He was good like soon as he was done and out of his car. They were like okay. You're free. I can't do any. He got out of the car. What are we gonna do. We can't do anything it's his run is over. There's nothing we could do anymore. Let it look. He's not in the car. I don't know what to tell you. Can you imagine police having that level of respect for that fine of align just like. I got a foot on the road. Oh man he's on. he's on goal. We can tag him. he's on goal. he made it. He crossed the line is so weird so he was friends with a lot of cops and he would talk to him a lot like it. Yeah it was. Just like yeah. You're on that side on this side. No big deal right mouse. A when world war came. He was drafted. And he got stationed at norfolk navy base. So he used that to advantage. I he still tires from the base which he took to his friends. Running moonshine up in the hills. Okay so so to be clear. This is someone who any situation. He's finding himself and he does look for the criminality to exploit or he's just a capitalist trying to make money. Yeah yes right. Sure he is but the laws are the laws. That's right so moonshine needed. Sugar and sugar. During the war was being rationed so through the guys in the mess hall. He came up with this little plan and they would save sugar and so he would start taking loads of sugar up into the mountains. So the moonshine owners could make their got a. I got an eight ball. A granulated granulated right now. This is pure stuff. This shit's gonna taste. It tastes like cane cane sugar sticking facing that in their take shift suite that is so so we got a really burned. My nostrils snorting. Nobody's suggested you snort it oh fuck my mouth is so it's what is it took a sweet taste. It feels like it feels. Like gods like tickling your gums right. Yeah it's like. When i it's kind of like when i put serpa my mouth it's got that sam sorta when i just shut the bottle of syrup it's got that this fucking shit. What kind of sugars like scissor. It's look like i said it's granted but i'm not gonna add ins. It seems fewer. it's pure pure. It's not it's not cut. There's no baking set of cut into this. One faulk tight. It's blue sure. Yeah okay so he got. He got discharged she was still doing. It's called baking bad was still doing. Is sugar runs but like a couple of weeks after he got discharged He had to drive. I guess he didn't have as whatever's past anymore so it was hard again out. But he e some guard saw him leaving at night as he drove off with a sugar load and they shot at him three bullets lodged in the gas tank. Another in the back of the driver's seat because he because they knew he was stealing. Or because they thought he trespassed. I think i could have been either one. Like he probably wasn't supposed to be on the basis that time right but they saw license plate. A cop was waiting for him when he got back home and he got arrested. Judge got out of the car again. He got out dr. I have a good night son. Didn't know you're going to get out of the car so fast it was. Yeah you've really turn your motor off. It's puzzling anyway. We're going to try tomorrow. Have a good night. The bible. If i mr mr business mass the judge fined him one thousand dollars and gave him a two years. Suspended sentence now. His father lawyer were awed by the speech. He gave in front of the judge because he told them until the judge. He stole the sugar to help the people in his county make apple butter which was the only way they were able to survive during the war. Wow so his dad was like so my son is a pathological life. This guy's out of his fucking mind. Iran and i was merely making apple butter for for the troops must wives for the wives of soldiers. I was making apple butter. What would the soldiers do without apple butter judge johnny johnny times. What are you just make sure. My wife has apple about apple. why am i gonna. They're gonna get. I was just okay. I didn't realize there was going to be a logistical followup to says well let me answer. Would you okay. You need to take some sugar not too much but a good amount and mix mix it with regular butter salt. Salted butter unsalted butter. Christ can i just remember it. Just sort of a blood is like ink at seems really morbid to dip a dip it. Jesus christ just use some the okay. The friendship the fresh blood. Okay hold. I don't want to talk about so i got sugar. I got unsalted over. Remember fucking we got grand use granulated. Sugar had an apple greenwich apple butter particularly apple. Shut your mouth whatever. I'm a huge fan of the honey. Crisp i'm dying. You stupid ass all tight. Shut your mouth. I'm not gonna talk about apple's if you if you a green. Is that going to be have a little talk little ting. It a little shush hospital. You how you know. That's going to happen right now. Don't don't use a green apple fuji trying to die no fuji fine. Yeah i bake. Hank is it is just as just make up up dead now for sure okay. Can you use pairs showed up head. That's fair that's fair. This is going to be good. Okay fuck i forgot to ask whereas wife lives Shit son of a bitch. Well he was. He had a good run in heaven watching so mad. The now cops did not have sirens in their cars. Not the local cops but federal federal agents had sirens and red lights car. Cops do how did how did cops they would just. They're probably just. They had caught paint on the side and they would just chase you but they win amazing. Yeah it was. It just sounds so crazy. So so the federal agents have the siren and the red lights in their grill. So curtis one day is like. I'll put two red lights behind and a siren in my car. So so dave not okay right so a little. While after that. he's making around. They go through a small town in north carolina and he sees the feds in their car and they're like waiting for moon shiners and he hits his lights and siren just wave through. Like i'm glad he's one of us. It's not like someone would just do that. Go ahead as you were gone officer. So he keeps. He keeps using the lights and sirens for awhile. It totally works. He's a very good driver during one running came to roadblock and he at full speed spun the car one hundred and eighty degrees turned around hit the sirens and lights and then the cops who have been who have been chasing him but we were a little ways back just let him go pass because they thought he was fed going the other way it again is an example of i was the i just know it. I'll pretend i'm a cop. And they were like well. Nobody would do that. He met a young girl named an She was fifteen i think. Anyway they elope. How old is he. I think he's i think he's eighteen now or nineteen know. I got a little mixed up with the age around here so a couple of weeks later. He entered his first car race. But it doesn't go well. The other cars roll race cars. He's got a moonshine car. It's not the same thing. So he and his friends. Retool moonshine carter a race car. And then he races the next week any wins and he starts entering race after race. He's doing very well now. There's no organization tracks. each track. Does their own thing. It's like a wild west of racing kind of thing and he's really into racing and curtis an moved to roanoke virginia in nineteen forty seven. There's few race tracks around. City officials don't like the race checks but they can't do anything about them. 'cause races aren't decent people. Go there. where the the poor's go right right. racing has been going on for europe for a long time but it was for rich. People write a country's always had a race issue. Well then that might be your best ever now. That was pretty. Take it in south. In ronas rona cops rip down flyers announcing races to try to keep away but more and more fans of showing up getting more and more popular. I just pining for the time when the police the police had like the same level of power as you did like it was like a game we were playing but more people can racing is like an escape for people they absolutely love it and people really liked curtis as as a guy hanging around of the racers. Yeah a lot of stories. He really liked to party and morton was so into curtis racing because got him away for moon shining right that he said you can just use my bank account. You can have all my money. And so curtis bought three brand new cars and then morton was like okay. So you can't. Hey i've always lived within my means. But curtis is aunt had married into the coca cola family and he got more money from her but he also remember he has a ton of money himself man but marrying into the coca cola family. That's amazing now. Race tracks at the time. Pretty crazy drivers would bring guns to the track just in case there is a guy each had a big stick. Because sometimes they had to beat off angry crowds. Yeah you're driving poll spell remember you need to have a harpoon for people around you so i guess just in case and by the way we will get back there although dave i mean that would have come in handy for you but instead you chose to just hit the fellows you can do those options you give you give the tap sort of like hey by the way mine has four one driver quote you drive thirty minutes and fight thirty minutes. Wow okay. you'd have to fight another driver if you knocked him into the fence. Okay and stuff like that. And then people had their favorites and they would get mad at driver for winning but curtis not. A fighter wasn't really a fighting type guy. He'd always tried to soothe people over by being nice and then or inviting people the party afterwards and stuff like that. Although a friend said quote the bowman gray race crowd was so rabid that sometimes curtis had to beat his way out of the race car with a tire. iron tire. iron is like i mean yeah. That's i'm looking to crack skulls on my way out of here. Wow how did you. How did you cousin die. He was trying to beat up a race car driver and then he was bludgeoned with a race. He went to a race. Oh yeah just say what race. He wants to erase. He went to a race but curtis's a very good racer in the some forty seven. He won five straight races. Car owners started looking for drivers and businesses surly drivers and they started coming to curtis so he kinda stopped you know putting his own cars and and then around this time he started driving other people's cars right. Okay so has made it. Yeah i guess oh so. Ball in the fall of forty seven. He's selling tickets like people he's a draw is now he perfected the dirt car power. Slide so share. I guess if you've seen like the fast and furious or set like there was a whole fast and furious about sliding but it's like that thing that thing you go into turn in and you just turn the car sideways and then when you can go on the straightaway just fucking hit it. So he was. Isn't that the drift. Yeah i mean. I guess you could call it adrift. I people if looking but to me. They thought yeah. I'm just describing a guy who just read about it so just calm down so but basically you've been you've been hurt dave. I just don't so but you've been bet you and you're inventing. You're inventing your naysayers now. They live they live with. You live by so but people with like how did he not crash. The wall like no one could believe what he was doing right okay. No-one did it like him. So people can believe what they're seeing he that just increases his. You know celebrity notoriety. They start putting him on posters to sell to to sell races and stuff you know. He's a big draw so right now there's a guy named bill france and he was a driver and he saw all this and he was like so much organized stockcar racing and get it all under one rules and all that so every is doing what they wanted. Some promoters would just take off with the purse money. Just you know getting were there. Oh why not. Why would again because it sound like the cops would do much. They begged dow. He put it in his pocket legally not allowed to search his pockets. What are you how he made a great move. He's a very smart criminal. Put the my colleague. You're legally allowed to arrest us now. So go ahead. Fair's fair fair is fair. I'm a cop car. You're on the ground you walk around you can arrest me. You made the we did. Because it's tuesday. You can arrest me. Broza roles and we respect the rules norms. So one driver quote you might win a race in all you get is a bottle of wine and a damn ham meat. Fuck me a damn tell you. Yeah like the bottle of wine. Okay but then like a damn ham like i can only imagine. It's probably just like you know. Snout cut slabs of the snout authority. Might if they if they so was selling damn ham meat. I might buy it. You would yeah. Yeah yeah so so bill. France lived in daytona the opposite of kosher. This meat has been dammed specifically cars. The damned so for instance beach. Oh actually read it. The the daytona races in florida before there was a track they would do it on sand but sometimes if they missed a corner they would go into the water. Sure it's the right sure fine job tries to. Fortunately he's been caught in the undertow and he is about thirty meters outside. Now the cars going under that'll be the last we see of him. We've had about six drivers stark. We go shark shark. Sharks are fighting over the body. Right now you can see. They're interrogated half like a ribbon at a ribbon cutting ceremony. He is just sliced. And i'll tell you john. I didn't actually know how much blood was inside of a human body. Something to marvel at almost looks like the is so read. Moses should be partying it to lead the jews. Anyway we're still watching here is this man's brain is just devoured by a what looks like doing like a family of sharks and we've got another car the ocean. That's another out there so that is not going to be. Shirts are having a field day. I'm wondering at some point if they're gonna tap out because they are staffed and full. I mean good lord they are like fettuccini side of olives. Right now they are just so warming. Dr man you buddy. I just really could go over some ham. Meet right now. Well that's interesting that you bring that up because this week we are sponsored by damned ham meet hamate as a beautiful combination of amos and snout put into one melt and then it's made to form with some fake ribs sold at mcdonald's hameed. It's under the mcrib menu. Damned hand meet. it's mostly ena spot. It's partially now hameed. I i think part of me died when you brought up an anus meet. You know not a lot of people still talking to be here. Amos meat is actually a good a fake calamari times. If i have people over the place. I just take out the inner ring and then just make it look like that little circle deep fried people are another one none. The wiser believe it or not people really low that big up with marinara car. The ocean so bill france he starts promoting and then he surveys the land. He convinces all the heavy hitters. All the owners promoters blah blah. He convinces but racing needs a governing body and right essentially nascar's born. Wow okay and they. They help fifty one races in their first year. It grows and grows almost one a week. Dave oh my god look at you i. I did that with no paper. I always forget that they call you the mafeking human calculator. Denim jackets dazzled with so curtis in and bill france. Our friends and he would stay at curtis his house. When he's in town curtis becomes attraction for nascar in nineteen forty-nine with curtis says the big draw twenty. Two thousand people came to the. I only stock car race and nobody expected that many people it was just like holy shit now. The winning car had illegal rear springs and was disqualified. So that's like an example of like they're now they're enforcing rules right and the way. He had a moonshine setup kind of and he won and then they're like no. You can't do that. He ended up suing. Pretend thousand so springs spring. I can't help but picture like inspector gadget. So talk back down to earth. Does that mean the springs. It just said he had rear read way. Read a book about about car racing. They think that you know when when they say there's illegal rear springs. Oh yeah of course. I know what that means. I have not actually please all right. Well then why don't we just for the shits gigs. We'll just picture the car being able to bounce over other cars. Well that's correct. That's what i would think. Moya on his jesse's k. Guerrilla three vehicles at a time talking leapfrogging. I think that's illegal. It should be illegal. But you know it's not illegal as dab me damn now made is one of the most delicious combinations between snout and anus. They've a better term called pass calamari or it could be a rib or it could just be some fine slices and a weird salad damned hand me get involved. So the owner sues for ten thousand and bill. France goes to court and defends himself by arguing that there needed to be enforceable rules. And you couldn't just use illegal cars. And he wins the case he wins the case. But this means bill france canal. Make the rules for nascar like it's sort of official right so and and start staying home from races with the with the avenue baby and she's staying home and curtis is out there on becoming a celebrity. He's popular with the the female fans and he's and he's taking advantage of that situation. Sure okay so good so good a good decision to lock down your child for sure. He's not always popular with other racers. Occurs was very aggressive driver. He would bump the other drivers in one race in another car smashed through a fence and after the race the other driver hit curtis on the head with a tire iron but they wore football helmet. So it was okay. I mean there's just it's a very visual. It doesn't sound like there's a governing body right now to be honest with you. It sounds like it's still a bit rogue. His biggest his biggest rival was bobby myers and curtis's like super popular like the most popular racer myers way less. And they always tried to. They always tried to knock each other off. The track and myers had a brother who race so sometimes curves to be going into cars at once trying to knock them off the track right. One driver described the myers what they did once before race. The myers brothers. Got up on the hood of their cars and pulled out knives and saying will whip everybody's ass in this place well first of all. The song is not it's lyrically. it's it's an undersell but it just point. Are there rules. Big are they coming. Rules coming should be one by the way no threatening with knives no pre race. Nive things excited general. I'm not sure if this was at official nascar races. It might've been but it could have been on the other racetracks but anyway this is the shit that's going on okay. Another time after myers one curtis just t-boned him with his car but everyone said it was super hardest. State matter curtis because he always threw parties and made sure everyone had a good time he would like throw a party. Be like hey. We went out there racing but now we're not track like almost like what happened with the cops right. He would be like. Hey now we're now we're back off it. Let's just have a good time and almost everybody was like great. Okay i get it it. It just again speaks to this country's love alcohol like it just is remarkable. How much will go away with some booze. Everything i mean. It's just like it. Just switches so much and then it but then later on tonight it comes back. And you're mad. You kill each other. You know when. I first visited l. a. I went to the saddle ranch bar. And because i'm cool and that's where they have like a fake bull you can ride and i was with my buddies evident. Jimmy and i got on there. And i didn't really know how to write it so i was basically putting all the weight on my hand. Long story short. I fell off. The bull immediately broke a bone in my hand and my hand ballooned up and you sign a thing before you go on there. That's like hey. I won't sue you but i don i signed that but still the owner come over and he was just looking at the size of my like michelin hand and he was just like how about around a lemon drops and i was like. That'd be pretty cool and literally. It was like i mean the equivalent of like four dollars worth of actual alcohol. And i was like yeah. It's a cool guy. Oh my god yeah and my hand was broken so you know it's just like it's just it means it's a big gesture to us. We really take it quite seriously. What an honor to have a lemon drops her. I'll have to take it with my right hand for my left is broken. That's amazing but the myers would not be the kind of racers that would come to the party and have a good time. Let bygones be bygones. They were always mad and they always wanted to take her this out like i said he didn't own as he didn't own his own cars now so he was like yeah. Whatever i'll just it and move on like he was fired destroying something he's like hendrix at the end of a set. That's right in the fifties jumped big into the timber. Business back springs now. He had an amazing ability to look at land estimate how much lumber he could get out of it and like rainman with toothpicks but with trees. Yes yes and he learned how to fly and so he bought a plane and while most most timber guys would hire a surveyor. Who would who literally on the ground survey at all and go tree by almost tree by tree and figured out. Curtis would just fly over the land estimate. How much would he could get and he'd always be right like he was probably really good at that. Guess how many jelly beans are in a jar. God nail it every time. Now gimme gimme that you wanna know reds or or green. How can rake color. When was the last time that you entered one of those Oh my god. I can't remember. When i was a kid i would say in the last year i've entered one. I'm not kidding. The press started calling him flying lumbermen. What dumb name like you could come up with so many good names for this guy's crazy. Think all the things we've heard of him. Hey can fly a plane and would cost those are not the most. i mean. it's good. It's a good skill for business. You know what i mean. But it's like t boning people you know. He's a bootlegger he's cheating on his wife he would sometimes play pranks if he had another business businessman in the plane with them. He shut off his engine and sekwa. That's funny something must have happened. And he let got for a while. He started the to of the gas hall. What an that would like. Honestly that's not cool with me. That is where i mean. That's like oh. I would lose my mind. Yeah he did all kinds of shit in the plane move. I took it out but at one point they they. I think they wanted to get booze. There was like a group of people in the plane and they wanted to get booze and so they literally landed in the guys town like on the maze in front of the church and the faa to get his license for like a year and our defense. We needed beer. That is amazing. What an amazing way to like treating the city's like they're your gas station on the sky freeway. Let's just pull off here. There's a wendy's so he he'd his success right. He's very successful in the very successful and he's also a successful racer so he starts beating politicians. He's making connections. Its meaning big businessman. He he's he's legit dude and between the timbers business racing hardly ever home and again women are all right so he's definitely so and like this is cool. This is really cool. She knows this and in one thousand nine hundred three. She moves out but then she comes back. I mean basically over the years. She kept moving in and out in and out in. It was just became a constant thing. They'd fight he'd be sleeping. Women should find out it was just dave. You can just explain it to me. Easier by saying gareth. It's your parents merits. So just do that. so they nineteen fifty-six he just blew away the record for most wins he won twenty two out of forty seven races. Nascar had its first vote for most popular driver and no one else came even close and he would win that over and over and in nineteen fifty seven people started calling curtis the babe ruth of stock car racing. Well now bill because you could eat so many hotdogs that's yes. How did you know that. I dave again. I'm very at the reason why. I have the role i do on. The show is because of the perceptive nature of it's my ability to process factual information real time. That's that's correct so we. That's what the comments bill france built the the daytona speedway and it opened in nineteen fifty nine. Now if you're from another country people from other countries like that's like one of the palaces of racing right. I i'm not yeah he's track. There's not many bigger. Yeah that same. Year curtis decided. He was going to build a speedway in charlotte. Okay but another promoter. Burton's brute bruton bruton smith was also planning to build a speedway rooted smith. Yes that's right. And on april twenty second. They both held a press press conferences to announce their new speedways in charlotte and press. Actually are you guys gonna work together. And they both said no curtis said quote and regarding oh and regardless of what he does. We plan to go ahead with our own plans if he builds to. It looks as if charlotte will have to racetrax but then he followed that up a couple of minutes later quote. Look there's not room for two tracks here. Wow so he's really not prepared to be like answering questions like look. This is what it is. We could live around each other honestly. There's not enough room so this needs to add. Oh god is so crazy so so obviously. This is an issue right. A local reporter starts to think. Smith didn't actually have much of the deal. He was talking about for his race. Track actually put together and was just trying to get turt- curtis to merge with him. I can this site of business vote. This seems like a plan to get him with curtis. Where's your concrete. it's common. It's it's on its way and it's not too far away and and then we're going to lay it and then later put lie e ev. Roll it okay. Report report and then yeah and then a bunch of seats and that's all combat seats first of all. I just wanted you bleacher seats first. Of all i just wanted to talk to curtis and make sure he knows that he better stay away from my construction is happening. It's the way you. Why would you say it's happening. Et is going to occur. Of course yeah. There should be no nay saying about whether or not i'll be pouring concrete for a okay. It's just a weird thing to say. That's all it's happening and i'll take anyone to court to says different. Just that simple. So this is what are you going to name it. The big oval. That's it because it's going to be no no that's not it. The big oval usa greatest track of it took us come up. Put that one to eventually. Have you considered naming it. It's happening well. It's going to be on the side for sure what should get off the concrete and here which is coming talk to the driver the other day real close he says. Even though that was days ago he meant in terms of the distance he had been covering which was great and he's closer than when he started. So i'm not gonna put up with any more bullshit. Okay so that's just how it is and it's yeah it's pretty much done. I just got a message. So it's closed message k. Yep yet the great. The great oval. That's just call it for short. I won't say the rest of the already read the whole sign. The first image is. I rather not i got it. The i just want to with the press do gotcha journalism but like this. Oh i'm not gonna fall for you. Gotcha journalism just rain. All the great although usa greatest not what it was before i different because there's two sides tubby young guys. Don't listen proper. Look it is happening. It has happened. it's done so curtis's plan was to fly around the country just meeting people in getting loans to fund his his track. He formed a corporation with other local businessmen. Curtis was the president. The the idea they were going to build a one point five million oval called the charlotte motor speedway. They got the green light to issue. One million shares at a dollar each which totals a million dollars on a flex the muscle to flex the muscle too much. But it is. They're always for me to take advantage. He planned to finish construction five months. Okay that's it took five years to build daytona So so it ambitious. That is what you're saying. Just that is a particularly like you can think about construction now in obviously construction supercup but to build something of that size. It would take a long time. Now now. it's it's it's the forties fifties so like it's going to take longer just because machines aren't as good and all that time. Five months is insane. It's insane great. Great bit smith keeps pressuring him in pressuring pressuring him. A lot of a lot of the people in curtis's camper like stay away from. It's not good but he comes around. And smith talks him into partnering up good because i was moments away from the perfectly finished track but now i will tear it all down and you will not need to see it happening and it was done but now we'll just do it together a separate one. We don't need to use any of the pieces from my other two which was done for a long knowles doing now. I tell you already torn down after starting the conversation with you. I knew it was we now. It's done can we use the signs. You made the you made sign. No what was the name again. It was called and again there are two signs so there is a bit of wiggle room as far as the name but it was great oval. Usa best track bet is the name of it either. I remember being in before. Well when why do i. What was the last time you got on this. Okay that's fine that's fine. Yeah so it's just different like change. We believe in fluidity is the name go. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. We're not constrained by. This must system of must just not how we work you know. It's yes signs of all yay. Yeah yeah that's how they work so bingo bango so he. He thinks the recently really brings mittens because smith said he he's got his fundraising going on and he's going to bring him but smith had no fundraising going on. Okay great so but anyway. Smith is now an and as far as the stocks driver. And now promoter. Humpty wheeler said. Curtis were quote literally selling them out of the trunk of their cars for a dollar jude cars. Gimme such bone. That's really weird car. Just want to know. I'm gonna get what you. I'm super audible. Rights lip yourself into this looks. I don't want to what's happening right. Now why are we doing this. Look at the tires though. I don't just want to wanna the humpty wheeler professional car fucker. I didn't catch your name stave. A dave what are you guys. Ve ingram's dave god it you cut out all your back there. You are okay. This was great. Because i was hoping i could. Just put this up without editing. It so this is fucking awesome. Jesus scarfing wait. Let me finish my humphry wheeler. Ter- what do you do to cars you them again. I get carter. You'd like to be an sad me to my man. Humpty wheeler professional fuck. I didn't catch sheer dave. Said david. your name yeah. But how are you a pro that house there a look. I know what you're saying and it's true. I am married but when i play the field. I'll bet sarah For my wife's toyota she gets it. You know how they are. So i like to mess around with him on the road. Some other guy your eye on anyone. Any car should steer clear of all all of them. I think you should steer hunt. All kinds. Humpty dumpty wheelers got some. He's got a release. I just need to not around you at all. So horned up today just here in the engines read. Sorry call of a siren. Okay i gotta go let me let me know if you got three friends and you guys want tire bang okay. I'm a meat. You happy wheeler is. The name hurt being my we we into cars the game. Okay vic but now bay begun the same way. That's awesome so let's get to know each other go the other way. See on how happy really got his nickname. How his father smoked camel cigarettes when he was at the university of illinois and his friends started calling him humpty because of the camel's hump and then when he had a son. his dad's friends started calling him. Humpty junior and the name stuck damn why are you leaning into it. if that's in your family have your dad. Like double down. You'd be like no no bad it's humpty junior humby. It's really crazy. Yeah so it's cool. So smith for his part. He did not have fundraisers he he started. He did commercials and he. Sent. mailers around We've run into this sort of character before it's like. The person is just like they're doing like it's like the secret but it's not the secret because it's all bullshit. Yeah it's so he He's trying to push much money that can get people to buy stocks and the ads aired in other states and he sent mailers across the border which was a violation of the securities and exchange commission. So he they're running into trouble now. Owen flow was the main construction guy and he started working with us. Bulldozers and clearing the land and curtis would fly all over the country to find investors and then that left owen back at the track to make all the day to day decision. So owens us apart of and he's like no smith scott. He's really smart. He was really taken by. He really believed in smith. Everyone around him was like get away from this guy and then oh flow one day comes in and says we found rock below the dirt. And it's a big layer iraq and it's going to have to be dynamited so this took the cost of the racetrack up from eighteen cents a yard to a dollar yard dave again. I don't wanna flex the muscle. But that's what we'd call a real big increase more than double increase. So and and plus. You're definitely adding time now. If you're talking about like we gotta go through the earth's ca. We're having trouble with the earth's crust. We're going to need to figure that out. Yeah though it's a crazy it is a crazy change mechanic. Smokey eunuch quote if they smoke. I'm sorry smokey unique. I'm a bit of a gentlest chain. Smoker you people say that. I revive of his dad but it's different reasons they took stuff. Yeah it's so smoking at if they have searched north carolina for the worst possible place to build a racetrack. That's where they built it. That's good that's good. I mean that's good to hear it's gonna cost five hundred million more than they expected. Oh my god well. I mean that's tough. That's that's an increase. That's a lot of money honestly so they obviously have money issues and now they can't pay their. they're falling behind in paying the construction contractor. Okay editors start threatening to sue so curtis is now flying all over the country to raise money to stay ahead of the debt. That's piling up okay. So as we know is good. That's now that's now what we a good position of. Yeah it's what you want when you're trying to now it's now yes and now that sweet smell of desperation which always helps and you're trying to coerce people into giving you funds so showing up like ray liotta at the end of goodfellas twelve bucks. It's place shit. We'll take your hands. Just give me the money. So he's making promises to people he's putting up. Collateral his own collateral zone properties owned businesses. You know my wife and Would be a great thing to throw in the pot so Oh go ahead and watch tell me about we give me five hundred thousand dollars and you can have an and my son in. It's a whole really. I'm not one of these deals. The boy the boy is three. Does he play any sports he yes. He's really good at all sports. Oh yeah he's a natural at all sports boy to watch. I do enjoy. Watching is just unbelievable. He he's just taken everything everything you like he. Does you have a dog any dogs yet. Tammy good number for you re. I have three dogs okay. Let's do this great perfect. Let's do it great. Hey jeff i just bought a family if you could just go up and we'll right chips -solutely won't be a problem. Thank you go. And how many dogs great. It's carry the five so it's just 'cause he's so he's he's now writing paychecks on a friday and spending the whole weekend fly around the country to get money to other checks to them deposit in the bank on monday morning to cover the paychecks. I've had. I've worked jobs like that. Though we're the boss has been like till next thursday. Okay good sign a so all this. Desperation and madness is going. Leads curtis to come up with new ways to make money k. He made a deal to buy three dollars. Sorry three million dollars with the land but he did it in a way. No one has ever done. Two million would be raised through notes bought by the public. And then that would be converted to stock. Now neither one of us know what that means but basically it's a tricky. I did a little slippery. Do sounds like a gofundme e. Yeah but he's the first one. Whoever did that i guess it's done now but he's just getting started one morning. He had breakfast with a friend and said quote a few nights ago. I was sitting on a rail fence in the mountains of virginia. Just thinking and looking at the moon. And i took a wondering if there were any timber up there and if so how i could get it down. So he's like paul bunyan. Now would yeah. Yeah how do we get the moon lumber. You people think it's made a cheese. I think it's pine. Let's get up there. So basically he was talking about how to make money in space and he'd been reading about he had know about this. It's i mean it's a red flag now but like it's like buddy. We're not ready to have your space colony talk. Like i'm just thinking well he'd been reading about the space race and thought private companies could get to the moon i And out companies were looking into launching communications satellites and they needed a way to get him up there and curtis decides. Well he'll be the guy to make the missiles is now the time is my question is now the time to be getting involved. In thrive at missile launches such. He just needs to make money and he knows he can make a lot of money. But it's a right turn where you're like what you're making your in order to fund the track. We're now going to be shooting satellites into space. It's just did you want to. It's your classic one too but we build race tracks and we shoot the satellites. He's such a successful businessman that everyone's happy to me with them. Because right so turn the companies. He meets with give advice and support the. Us have given twenty eight million dollar contract to accompany to make missiles to put satellites and stuff in space but the us pulled out when it was like the companies. Like the us like. This isn't going to happen. So they pulled out halfway through the contract so curtis goes and meets with that company and they all and never comey's like yeah we can do. We just need another seventeen million so he goes and meets with nasa. Well it's dave like most racetrax. It's taking a turn agree. Nasa agrees to rent the cape canaveral launch pad to curtis for a million dollars a launch. So wow curtis really now. I need to raise twenty five million. That's that's all. I need to do it. Yeah i got twenty five million. And then i get cape canaveral. And then he's having lunch one day and he takes a dollar bill out of his pocket to pay any looks at it and then ideas strikes know what about advertising on the dollar bill of god. Hear me out. Sorry pal illuminates beach. So you say it's it's a great idea. It really is. I say let me give him to home depots and then we could get out of here so the white border around the bill. He's like well. There's that's doing nothing just sitting right there. That's advertising right there it's white. That's that's what you put your jingle baby and he's like would ford the ford motor company. Pay five cents a bill to have a coupon on the edge of the dollars. Like why can't that be thing. I can't even fully picture what he's talking about so he calls a friend. Who's a congressman and the congressman is like. Well that would take an act of congress and also defacing. The dollar bill is a misdemeanor. Are there any hurdles. My question curtis said quote. I'm not talking about defacing the bill. I'm talking about helping the country. You think anybody cares that that little white border. It's a wasted space. You could liquidate the national debt. Had no time he blurred. He's it's kind of funny to me that they're like well. The dollar bill is sacred. You like how it's money. How did you put coupons on there. It's a fucking dollar. Bill is it is kinda of crazy the will hold on. There's limits to our money. What are you talking about. I know it's yeah. No it's it's i mean it's the same thing as when someone the government is just like i i love god you're so biblical until it comes to your own existence when you were corrupted piece of shit. But it's it's i'd still makes no sir. I'm still like. I can't even picture what he's taught like man. I just can't imagine money being like avenue. -times if you've been sitting in a park thinking you know these damn mosquito you're like this is off. Yeah it's crazy so it doesn't it doesn't happen. Obviously really he ended up. He ended up spending forty thousand on his attempt to make money from the space work. But nothing came of it and all. This is going on so close. All this is going on while this the charlotte speedway fiasco is happening. So he moves as he moves his family to charlotte. But anna's very depressed being away from all of her family and she moved back to virginia with three kids so they're living separately when they do see each other they find a lot now tenets. I didn't tell you this. Tickets are being sold to the first rail of the speedway. This is memorial smart not smart. Oh my god so that creates a lot of pressure to finish on time. Oh it's their this the fire fest race track. Smith invites the public to come down to see our construction is going and then he does it a couple months later. But that's an april and it's a couple of months before and there's no grandstands there's no garages. No paving has been done. It's pretty obvious to ever coming to visit things are that it's not you know what we are not going to be. What are your traditional racetrax with garages and stands and cars. Not the point of this race track. Just racetrack is a little different. You're not going to see some of the traditional things that you used to seeing at the race track so just prepare yourself for a completely unique experience when you come see a racier which again you'll have to from standing outside defense which we don't actually have. Yeah there's gonna be trees in the track and boulders really want the natural vibe of earth to see these guys in the elements driving into trees driving through rocks missing. Big enormous concrete dynamited holes. Yeah you know great. It's really fun and we're really excited and so are the drivers who've we've yet to employ because there might not even be drivers which is so great we don't know about the drivers yet that's and also you can just hang out in the trees that's natural. That's that's grandstand detroit. Mainly selling tree seats there treats and their tree c. n. humanely sit there and yeah so again. The drivers will be gophers. The trees will be seats and the track will be exploded a lot since my very close to done and we're very excited very excited very all bunk guard. It's very other good. We really embracing the difference. We want people to come and say that was a unique experience. And we think they will just need some more gophers and we have missiles anyway. You're the race so tickets have been sold advertising done. But everyone's like this is not happening. So they go to me with bill france and he agrees that nascar will move the race date to june nineteenth so buys them bison like two and a half weeks or something right which is again. I mean that's plenty of time to fin- track. France already thinks it's crazy to build the track this remember daytona took in five years planning all the way through finishing. Yeah so he's got another two and a half weeks though so that'll probably do it. They have construction going on twenty four hours a day. There's every company has three shifts of workers but now no one is being paid on time so the contractors decide they're going to hold a meeting all the contractors get together the whole the meeting and then the come to some sort of agreement and stop work curtis finds out about the meeting and he comes up with a plan quote. I've going to kill the contract. Oh good i knew this. Mafia guy in memphis okay. Good start great. Start so great. Start great star. Good smart good. Get the mafia involved. This is how you know it's going right. Now you've been rebuffed by nasa and then you turn to the mob. The mafia guy has a book of fake cashier. Checks hurt his. Gets why you really i. It has to be such a strange mindset to be trapped in the prison. He's basically trapped in which is that. He's not going to win. he's not going to succeed but he's so screwed on a day to day basis that he's merely just trying to get through the day. Because you would like that right there that i mean it would be a good come to jesus to be like. Hey look this is screwed up real bad studies like i just lied a little more and then i'll lie to them again but he's that kind of guy that has always gotten it done. Yeah he believes right so so he gets. He gets a cashier's check from lafayette. I made out for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And then he crashes the medium contractors and lawyers he just barges in and he shows them the check quote. But i'm not gonna pay you until you get all this work straightened out. You guys are screwing me the lawyers. All look at it. And they confirmed surreal check because it is a good lawyers. Workers returned to work. But still there's no pay. And then the main contractor owen flow stops work and he puts all his bulldozers down to block the papers from paving the track. And he says. I'm not gonna movement till i get seventy five thousand dollars at a mode. Welcome to the to yemen raceway. So curtis talks to his lawyer. His lawyer says quote. It's your property and it's being invaded. You have a right to protect it. So curtis leaves that meeting and gets his brother smith and two of his friends and they roll up with guts can ensure owens out with bulldozers and he jumped said they jump out of the car quote put him up oh and and they cock their rights what i mean that is just a like the lawyers like sorry i should have been very specific with do not threaten them with firearms is silver clear. The workers all put their hands up and pretty soon. The bulldozers are off and the paving has started again. How immediately you act no know. Of course we'll send mixed concrete right now. i'm sorry. I didn't realize it was that important than sorry. The speedway is finished on june twelfth. Wow and is it well. Drivers come to practice but chunks of asphalt are coming loose and there are big holes in the track. So it's just not ready. It's not ready. Yeah you just see. Mario and luigi. This is not ready. Cruiser we re working repairing that night. It's the it's the highest purse ever offered and it's a six hundred mile race track but the races are all wondering if they can last logging survive this track and also they don't have money to pay the purse okay so it sounds like again i mean it sounds like we're really not clearing up the flags and the nats and i by the as someone who does not watch racecar driving nascar. I would absolutely watch an incomplete that to me would get me watching. Oh yeah so nascar rules say you have to have the money in an escrow account before the race. And they're seventy five thousand dollars short for the purse so okay good news. Curtis has planned for this more cashier's checks so a few months before he bought a small bank in virginia. Keep gilkey now that bank. Whatever state roles federal's whatever it was was only allowed to loan twelve thousand dollars to any person. Okay but he goes and has the bank president. Check for seventy five thousand. So did he did he buy a bay is so he's bought a bank. He basically bought a bank that he could take advantage of and since he's in charge of but the bank. They're like well. He's in charge. Yeah okay it's again. It's a swing. It is a big move so so he he gives the president of note saying honor it to make it seem legal and he says a journey morning he's going to come with the gate money and deposited. He's lying to his own bank so the race happens. It's not that great because of all the the track situations but it goes off. Unfortunately they were expecting seventy thousand people but only thirty five thousand showed up okay so the money covered the purse but not any of the debt right. Yeah they're just respecting the drivers. Everything else is still totally screwed. Yeah and he takes. He takes the money and flies it and so the check is covered for the purse share. That was still illegal. I think they got in trouble the bank trouble later. But now the teamsters at this time are trying to unionize pro athletes and he needs money and he meets with jimmy hoffa's people and they say always a good sign is always a good sign when you hear that you're meeting with the hoffa group and he and they say they'll invest eighty eight hundred thousand in track if curtis will push for drivers union and the debt on the track is now eight hundred seventy five thousand dollars. I don't know if you know. How many were that's a lotta. Well look i always say you're twelve banks away from being in the clear so somehow curtis he doesn't take up. The teamsters offer somehow gets a loan of seven hundred and fifty thousand from these new york bank but they but when you get a big low like that. They put board members on the board. Okay you lose a little bit control right. Yes and probably i would assume people who are like can i see those figures. You're like no okay need. we don't use. What do you call ledgers and bookkeeping. It's more of a run. It like iowa pile money in the closet. And i'll go in there and be like water we associate is trying to say is that we don't subscribe to the usual way of doing business right a fly by me. It's just a much more hodge pi. It's like financial jazz. Sure where it's going to go right. We know that we're gonna find something along the way. Have you ever heard the term. I know a mafia guy in memphis like we work with what we have. We find ways to finagle things like like when we take people's pinkie finger like that. That's one of the things anyway. Great to have you guys here. We can't show you anything but we're gonna take them. I mean you'd be bored. You'd be board members. You'd be bored board member we're Okay so after some time profits are still not enough. And the bank wants to foreclose and auction off the race track. I here's a piece of broken asphalt. Why don't we start the bidding eight dollars. What's happening here. But the bank says. If smith and curtis resign they won't foreclose okay so he would still win win. They wouldn't be on the board but they would still be part owners right. I think that's what that seems. It seems great. Curtis even though it's all going to fall apart. I would say to me i'd be like yes. Great curtis refuses. He's like i'm not doing that. Okay and four votes to remove him as president okay. It's really clear. That smith voted to have him removed. Okay so the final. The final smith card is played right. He has merged and then taken over his cremated. Deal at the bank. I'll bet curtis has glad he got into business with and essentially everyone that he all of his friends and everyone he brought in had already left because of smith so he driven out. Everyone else that was you know. We're at the beginning. So per curtis super depressed or whatever he disappears for a couple of weeks. He's basically lost everything that he started with right because he knows everything he put for. Collateral and stuff he has. He has nothing couple later. The creditors say they're going to need eight hundred fifty thousand in sixty days. If the speedway is going to go on so curtis goes to the teamsters okay. Wow and a union for drivers. He listens to it and he's like this. Sounds like a good idea. Pension death benefits. It's actually very very helpful to do. I've sure he was like yes. Anything yes yes. It's perfect please. God yes. I'll suck it. Stick please. yes so. He agrees to push for the union and it's an easy sell. The none of these guys have any sort of safety net at all like they they need do need one and fireball roberts and buck baker are the first racers who were injured and then of course fireballs in tim flock comes in so these are big names and fireball flock. Yeah you guys you know. I mean the classical posters the two of so they talk to other drivers and mechanics. There's a lot of positive responses. Everyone is jumping in kurdistan calls up and tells bill france. He says i can. I can save the speedway and we can have a union to and france. Just listens and says okay. I'll have to think about a few days later francis in charlotte when the teamsters announced. They have signed up majority of drivers. And there's a race plan that evening at a small track track near there and twenty three drivers and mechanics and car owners have a meeting with bill. France before the race curtin. Tim flock here about it and they go but they listen through window that they cracked open perfect just professionals chip the way you're supposed to do it. Absolutely and france speaks and he reminds them that before nascar. The sport was in chaos. And how much he's done for the mall and it wouldn't be like this if it wasn't for him and he says a union that will destroy all this quote make no mistake before. Have this union stuff down my throat. I will plow up my two hundred and fifty two point five million track at daytona and plant corn there. Instead i will also tear up all the tracks. I have an interest in in the state of north carolina. I won't be dictated to by a union. But curtis was probably just like i mean they can drive around corn they can drive around corn playing corto fall right over the drive right through it. Yes so this is. This is a rich guy having shifted. I mean right. Yes could mask are have a union. Of course it could. I mean jesus. Yeah yeah and then he goes on to say after this race tonight. Anyone in the union. We'll be barred from nascar. I write quote perfect. I will use a pistol to enforce it. I have a pistol. And i know how to use it and i've used it before so. He's by the way he's threatening. The lives of people talk. That is talked from someone who's never used a a have a pistol. I've held a pistol. I've shot a pistol. And i know what a pistou is. They boom noise and things come out really fat. You pull back the metal. Pc and you put your little finger through the hole slutty part and then you go push push or pull pull and then out shoots the projectile and it makes a booming noise and and and did and it's a gun and item one hundred percent. It's gone so after he makes this threat to kill other humans. Joining curtis holds a union card through the window and yells out quote. Here's your application and ten men immediately. Walk over and sign their cards because people don't like to. I mean that is fucking nascar drivers. You're threatening them like but also like to just be like for france to just be like hell. I was at the window. Here's the contract. So crazy after that. Curtis in france both go after each other in the press. Okay curtis says he'll get an injunction to stop nascar races if they bar racers now. Obviously france puts pressure on all the racers. And everybody else fireball. Roberts caves i but he says look. France can ruin my career so he i'm going to take the olive branch but this is that's what it is right. Yeah right. it's pure fear. France says of fireball quote france says fireball quote will regard this move as the best thing he ever did for sports in america My guess is i mean. There's nothing worse. Not the case then the sports union i mean. Oh what a terrible. That's bad cheese. No well the truth is you always fi. Ownerships always pretty honest. It's just the fucking shit fit in. This isn't this. How does it about. What is it always. How does it always work what it's not about losing money. It's about rich people. Don't like being told what to do. And that's what you to say you and you're saying take care of my workers and they don't want anyone it's a little boy shit fit. That's what they throw throwing shit fits. I also i- josh olson recommended. I watched the movie blue collar with richard pryor and harming towel and it's such a good movie. Yeah but it's also it's just remarkable to like the way what the here i mean it. What the union does as far as the power structure like the heads of the companies. Like easy. no. Nobody's suggesting you quit like it's like so scared. Have a bottle of whisky. let's relax. Let's you know what i mean. It's like to actually have. That just seems so foreign to tie would like they'd be like they were sorry. We're sorry. I mean unions are basically saying you have to share and the rich guys are saying no. I don't wanna share by any tactic. Possible scaring you out of it. So at the end of at the animal is the fallout of the union. Thing is essentially. Everyone goes back. He france agrees to form a committee to handle driver's concerns. More and more more and more. We're not seeing and in the end. Only two drivers are banned from nascar. But that's a union. Tim flock and marriage and the most popular racer in. America curtis turner. Okay so obviously flock hasn't wanted a while so it's not that terrible for him but curtis's he's the best and he's the most popular fucking racer out there so he starts going to. He first thing does he goes to a smaller track. And they're like you're done. You're no we can't let you in so he in flocks sue nascar for two hundred thousand dollars each okay and then curtis finds out. Congress passed a law two years before that forbid unions from lending money to anyone trying to organize a union on their behalf so the teamsters played yeah art to and the show speedway is now a nine hundred thousand dollars of debt. Perfect that's great. That's that's the goal right. yes and in december. The speedway is placed under chapter ten bankruptcy protection. Now the trial happens him for him suing france and all these drivers testify. France testifies one driver. I don't know how this happened. But he doesn't know he's not supposed to say what happened at that meeting and he just comes out with all the horrible shit that france said that he would kill people and should probably talk to that guy before he gets on the stand. I guess and a friend of curtis is said to fran fran curtis quote. He was embarrassed. He's never going to get over this as long as he lives and curtis just wants to race. Yeah but the judge rules nascar can ban drivers so besides the okay. That's one of the things is at issue. Besides the money that he's suing for but it's can ask the judge rules that they can't and that was based on that previous decision where they let bill bill. France set all the rules. That court decision. Right based right yeah. Well it's weird. It's weird how all that power is not. Okay yes so. Curtis in flock are the only two drivers were blackballed. They're both thirty seven so we're going to race each other so the bottom a race to bottom so the ford motor company has been working with curtis buying timber. I don't know why they need timber but they're buying would they've been working with her forever and new ford pine they dangle this new deal in front of a really big deal and they say they'll drop the loss if he drops the lawsuit so right the clearly working with bill france to make the negative publicity gray and then like okay. Well this'll be good. Faith message to france. And i can probably get back into racing if i drop the lawsuit. So he drops the suit quote. I figured france would reinstate me right that and and then word comes in. He's banned for life. Okey dokey can you pick a suit backup works you drop it. Sorta how does that work there. A five second rule or anything like that feels like he's probably so curtis has lost everything. I mean yeah right. He put all he put all his money into this race. Track and it ends with him. Not being able to race in the race track is in bankruptcy. It's just a disaster and no lawsuit anymore. Yeah but fans. He's the favorite racer so there is just overwhelming support and people right newspapers. We assume everyone assumes their writing. France ever wants to see him race like it's right. It's just knowing that doesn't so he goes to the indianapolis to race in the five hundred which is not part of nascar bernie. Just one of those. It's the one with the. Yeah the one where they go. Kart race in europe. The i don't know. I don't see Formula one formula. He so he has so little money he can't afford his own. Hotel room has to bunk with another guy and then he crashes the car into a wall he just can't handle it like stockcar but he moves indianapolis with an the kids. He enters fourteen races in the us a series which is like a competitor nascar. But not as big. He wants twice and then he announces he's going to build a one point five million dollar at one point one point five mile track in indiana identical to charlotte as is i is identical. Something we should as far as doesn't seem like Maybe we try a different one like a small track a baby track. The race is going to be held on the same day as the daytona brett. How good lord. Fuck you come on right. Yes but it's also like such an easy opportunity to clearly lose but look he's making. He's making most of his money from timber business. He's flying still. He's surveying the lands and trees. He's making tons of money again like it just made it back into that. He's just like his fallback. I was just going to say what a great fallback i guess. I'll just make shitload of money. But then his closest friend is closest neighbor. Friend driver joe weatherly is killed in a crash. Chris doesn't think he'll ever be allowed in a nascar again. No matter how much the fans demanded and it is announced by the charlotte observer. That he's gonna retire now. Fireball roberts says he's also thinking about retiring but then his car catches on fire burned over of his body and dies a little while later so now fans are like make the car safer now. Now we go back to the union thing right. Yeah well this shit the union bass for to make the car saying they would have been. They would have been talking about this over time so it didn't happen. People are dying fans are fucking mad about it. Drivers are angry. Saying they're going to quit like richard petty. Who's like this new up and comer he goes. I'm gonna drag race for six months like it's petty. It's a fiasco for nascar. Nine hundred sixty five days. Astor changes that france then tries to make to correct it. Sounds like baseball is good for good for some bad for others. It's like it helps this person. It's bad for that person. it helps. Ford chrysler is now boycotting. It's shit it's just this you try to fix something way after when you should have right. No one's happy. The chrysler hemi engine has banned then crisis. Like we're not gonna do with racing fans are staying home far. Less people are coming out to racist bill. France goes to erase the entire crowd. Boos okay. he's like that right so get to that. And that's like every commissioner sports from then on. But i'll tell you my friend. My friend used to see bud. Selig and milwaukee and i'm two times at traffic lights and he honked his horn and bud selig looked over and gave them like the aces. Symbol like nodded. His head sarcastically. And bud steelers. Like god have access to that moment baseball. Be so much better off but still art. That's what a crazy thing. I think you'd ever say that right but this but look. This is this is francis. Come up time like he who off the union and this your so you're not listening to your workers you're not listening to the guys who are laboring and now you've got yourself in shit situation short term profit so the other track owners meet with the other. Big trackers meet with france. And they're like you gotta bring back. Curtis like that's the only thing that can save us now and they france. The other owners ended up screaming at each other. It's this meeting k. there's also a new rival organization. Did curtis like dangle like a union contract and the window. hey you guys wanna maybe an ownership union. There's a new a rival to nascar that starting and they're gonna use curtis to attract the crowds and it's working k. Fans start lining up to see curtis race and so these owners are like get your shit together and after they had this big yelling match. They're just like they just list. All the shit that francis fucked up and he agrees to let curtis back in. Okay so curtis is about to race when he gets the call and he's like and he bails on the race curtis quote feel like a fellow who just got out of jail after a four year term. France says because at that other race track. And then he's like. I'm not gonna do it. I got no francis. Curtis would enjoy all the privileges of nascar a good boy. Fuck aw it's kidding me. It's the same thing that pullman said this is how they think don't think of them as men plying trade or doing whatever they think of them as their children. The term owners probably isn't helpful. Yeah curtis's fine with it. As long as he can race drivers owners and other think he's now over the hill. I mean so much is actually chain for years. There's a new group or young racers like it's all different thing. It's weird to me because it feels like racing is one of those. I mean since you're i i do think that it's not easy to drive like a race car. You know people like they're not athletes. It's different you know. But i would. I would imagine it's hard to lose a step. I mean unless you're like the older you get you're just doing shit like leaving your turn signal on regular people on the road. There is stuff like you know when he when he left he had grudges with other racers that would carry over race to race and right like one of the first races that he he got into got into the guy on the track in the and afterwards you wanna take me down because i used to be the best thing. 'cause like i did. I have no idea who you are like. That's a really insulting retort. You add because seriously. Are you serious. 'cause if that is it's really hard to present here right now and then i would also assume i don't know a lot about raising but just in anything. There's little things that change. There's little moves that happened. There's little things people with and so four years might be a really long time. I mean people are like i mean it is for sure. Yeah especially in the early days so people won't give them cars Richard petty's and racing so his dad. Let's richard petty's dad. Let's curtis drive the car. He crashes in the first race and people are like yeah see but then in the final race in nineteen sixty five the nor at the north carolina speedway rockingham. He wins and god goes up. Shit like the king is back right in nascar. Sorry in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight. Curtis turner was the first nascar driver to appear on the cover of sports illustrated. So he's back right and he's got his money and sure now. But an i. And i mean i definitely i mean just twisting in the wind for this whole story. I don't know how to explain this. But when their oldest daughter graduates she has some sort of breakdown. I don't wanna go into it. Because i don't feel like anybody back then. Wrote it. well but she's just kinda gone like she's just like sitting in a window like it's it's it's a breakdown of some sort So he's he's still married to her but she's not really there and hands up meeting a twenty year old bank teller. Jesus christ lord. I'm gonna buy this bank. it's also like even even if i'm single like i just can't imagine falling in love with twenty or on your old. Oh yes there's certain. I mean you gotta raise. Yeah you you when you have it gets. it's impossible it's like a different mean. I may as well data giraffe able to get those leaves that are top because the neck enables you to. that's fascinating. I never actually thought about something like that. No my neck is actually standard size for my body. It's fully proportional so you do not need to worry about that in any way with me. And how old are you. You're over twenty. Okay thank god okay great. Sorry sorry do my man well. It's alright so he starts divorce proceedings against and then. Mary's this girl like this he's like i can't take this. He marries this girl. bunny her. name's bunny okay. So perfect so he's right. Perfect no problem there on october. Neither banker on. October fourth nineteen seventy. He's a race at charlotte and his engine blows He then before the race even over he goes to his plane and he gets in it. Plane is behind the race track. This a runway there any takes okay. Flies over the stands tips as the announcer says of the pa quote. Curtis just went home and everyone cheers. Then he's flying home to roanoke but he doesn't make it the plane crashes in pennsylvania and that's the end of curtis turner. He had run around and around three hundred sixty five races in his career. Binding was pregnant with their first child. Would he died but look he was the guy who tried to unionize nascar Really fessing story like he's the best athlete. At the time he tries to unionize. He may had way definitely did have alterior motives but he's still he's still thought well. This is a good deal for racers. This is a good deal for drivers and mechanics to have security and then the guy didn't listen to him. The guy barred him and then that guy had blow up in his face because he needed to listen to the drivers and he wasn't the main source for this is full throttle. The life and fast times of nascar legend curtis turner by robert eggleston. Yeah it is just shocking. I mean i don't know it's like we're living through the version now of not having unions and it's not going well i know it isn't i mean everyone. I think people listen this podcast or pro union and you can you can just look at the the state of inequality in the state of the country and it tracks exactly with the lack of union membership. Wouldn't that be a better title for the country. The united states of inequality all right bye bye. Okay bye-bye by.

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485 - The Florida Judges

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485 - The Florida Judges

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He's just like my kids gonna be hot shit in any sort of specific way. Generally like you're gonna you're gonna really just be sure something we'll gonna care. I mean. just look at him. Shh shh okay. He had other kids. But but david and robert were incredibly closed. They would take long rides and his ford truck together. They'd sit up at night talking. Everyone else had gone to sleep. You my best friend. Such a weird thing for dad. Do you moan. they've been. Hey but what do you say we stay up tonight. Just talking about stuff and drinking exhausted really tired all night or i don't think i have that clock inside me. Damage your something special. You're stay talk about it. I think i'd just like to go to the arts and take it easy whiskey. I don't enjoy what it does to be normally. We're going all night future. Big boy had. I mean sorry robert. Hey what i call you dad because we're peers so he thinks david's a feature starting tells david that all the time he tells us something you have something special and offer. This is by the way. This is basically parenting today. It really is right. Isn't that what is that. You're gonna be the president of the united states boy. I'd rather just work in a factory and go home and not you will invent a new way to hand glide or i will kill us both. They wanted. I really just wanted to have a job and then i go home and i hang up my kids i wanna. Dna test because this spawn is not mind. He's foreign it. I don't wanna be anything special. Just wanna be god. Got a quitter genius. And that's not in our bulls. I just don't. I just don't wanna be that. I just wanna be normal dude. See how far you could throw this acts boy. But it's just going to be quite a distance. Okay hi now. You're gonna fight it dog. We're going to find what you have sued. So he tells them if opportunities come your way you have to seize them. He goes to vero beach high school and david get straight as he is the senior class president. He is president of honor society and most importantly used the official class poet but the role that i had that role at my school. That boy did. I fuck that. I was on the poet team. I didn't official class poet. But i was i. We'd go to other schools and we'd poet against them. Yeah i been. I remember going to the homecoming poet off. Yeah i mean that was big. That's the big game that's when the alums come out. You know it really does advent. David was the class valedictorian. So he's hot shit. He sure he goes to the university of florida on a full scholarship. He would sell cigarettes on campus for extra money. Side-hustle okay so enormous sees out there. They someday you're going to sell lucy's schoolboy. You're going to be big. You're going to be a dispenser. It has very well in college. He became a member of the prestigious florida. Blue key speakers bureau. I have no idea also. I don't very prestigious bowls. And when i hear the name i get goosebumps. So while the university of florida he met joyce pack win in the fall of nineteen fifty while he was checking his dad into fort. pierce hospitals. Davos ill and joyce was temping there. What are you take me to a doctor for boy you can figure it out with your hands at your intuition. Cure me come out. You're the here. put your heads over. Mimi argue style. Tell me where it hurts. Boy you could take out whatever you want. What do i have faith in you. So he enjoys start dating. She likes him but she thinks he's she. Does things too nice. He would open car doors. Hold chairs for like. He was a southern gentleman type. He studied studied tons like he didn't stop studying so they they never really had much time together. As a couple friends said quote. He wasn't brilliant but he worked. Harder studied harder than anyone else. He absorbed everything he could get. Part of. that is probably is because of what his father's like instilled this rusher in 'em so he's like like i must i must achieve one hundred percent So he really wasn't spending much time with joyce like they're not really dating and then he sees her talking to a guy one day and he walks up to her them and he grabs her hand and he looks at the guy and he says. Joyce isn't dating anyone. And then he leads her away totally normal For almost oh yeah. I mean that's no that's how it works when you've claimed properties when when a woman is yours you take woman you take dave. You don't even need to go on with the directions. We all know what it is you yank woman and you do shouted other woman right and then you pull woman away. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It's good i always. I put a little tag on them. Just like you know. It's clear so they end up getting married. In april nineteen fifty four he graduate. I love the this. Tactic works thin. I mean he's minded out really good. It's just a good thing for kids is treated like a game of tag so he graduates in two years. That's how hard he was studying graduates in two years. And then he. I did it in one but good for the cat. He was lazy and then he goes on to get a law degree and okay. He sets up a law office in fort pierce which is around area where he's from and he very soon was considered the best lawyer in the city. Okay he dresses an old fashioned manner they have they have Four kids and so he would just an old fashioned manner but at home he wore as little as he could. Okay so and we're in like what like nineteen like this senile basis seventies. Okay so and he did. This relies so he's stressing from the eighteen. Hundreds nineteen twenty s. a ten dollar camberley quote. We girls had a terrible time with our first states. Dad took great pleasure in picking the boys apart not only that but he would always come walking into the room and just as underwear and socks. We could never get him to change so he'd worn our dates ahead. So we'd warner dates ahead of time. My father will be nude for the event to just see you know. Let me ask you this when you've met other potential suitors parents. Do you see the genitals of the male. So you're see your dad's balls that's a first delo ala elliott to pleasure. Finally do you like all the clothing. You like milton berle yes. Can i fix you. Anything from the decatur area. Don't mind my bare bottom. It's fine. It's a little red. Because i've been sitting in leather all day. Now let's talk about what we want for our my lovely daughter in the future. Have you grabbed her hand yet. Claimed her as yours. No that's the next move boy now. Excuse me while. I just lift my balls up little the fold my legs now what i wanted to say to you while i spend but on the old fashioned boy could keep looking at the jetties. The eyes are up here. Labs lord of course. It's geared scared. But when i was a boy i'm gonna go to the window for this. It's a little dramatic. Go ahead watch me walk. My father told me that i was going to amount to something. Gosh was he right. I work very very hard for what i have. Does this mole on my ass. Look strange though. It's yeah i mean. Honestly it's not spreading wanted to take your daughter bowl. oh great. I'd love to just go bowling. It's just me okay. I'll get my ball handbag. There we are. That's right spit it in here. It's not uncommon to get a little sick around me. They are right in there. Now spit it up now. Did i mention that. David really liked drinking. Well it kind of maybe factors into this underwear. He was a big drinker but he was also a workaholic at the same time right so he had a lot of holocaust. Joyce really didn't she didn't see much. He was always working until very very late in evening. He he became the fort pierce city attorney for two years. He was elected to the city's civil board of appeals. For four years. He was on the florida junior bars board of governors for term. So he's like you know he's getting a lot done but the families you know being neglected right. And he's getting drunk he's getting. He makes tons of political connections all of the state. Okay at this point florida's democratic party state sure and it had been for a very long time but in nineteen sixty six. David decides to campaign for a republican running for governor. Charlie kirk okay and dem. Supporting kirk were called demo kirks. Wow so the marketing point for them. Demo kirks god so kirk wins and he puts david on the fourth district. Court of appeals as a judge in one thousand nine hundred. Okay so big. Move move up. Yeah yeah yeah. At the time norms move right. I mean that's yeah but he's really getting politically connected and moving along and now at this time in florida supreme court were elected not picked by after being put on the appeals david. Immediately the next year runs for supreme court. He loses but he does well. He's okay now afterwards. He falls out with his campaign manager. Campaign manager starts talking shit publicly and he says the david was soliciting quote bundles of cash in contributions from lawyers who had cases that were pending before the court. Wow that is. I mean k. It's a different system. So he's like a because he's he's just he's he's wrong adama he. He's running for office so he's like. Hey how about campaign contribution or you'll lose and what if we made that the government and this guy. His campaign manager said he he personally witnessed. David take large amounts of cash from florida for lawyers and then sure enough and trying to get them favorable rulings he asked for campaign contributions from defendants in cases he was going to preside over those included. Nancy walkman who was the john. Deere the walkman oh okay on obvious. So she's got that deer money. John deere money you know and it's called. It's called bucks and she also tried to get money from alice. Maryalice firestone of firestone tires oh my lord so and. They both had they are. They are defendants. That he's trying to get money for just different a marietta's firestone shot her husband who was most probably abusive okay. Nancy walkmans thing was. I can't remember what it was but it was you know. But it's like that. They've both had been right. Okay indicate crime so joyce was joyce now is just sick of she sick of the politics. She's sick of all the drinking and she files for divorce and takes the four kids now. Pretty i'll be the judge for the divorce case in not granted. Check abroad for that. So he very quickly gets remarried to a woman he had also dated in college mary. Sorry helen champion like just months later. He's married okay. She has two daughters already and then the two of them have a baby at the end of nineteen sixty nine which david cannot get enough of. He loves this baby so he's got a little robert david thing going on with his baby well. It also looks exactly like him. Yes i often think that is where the root of a lot of i mean i. I don't know anything. I don't have kids. But i think sometimes people are overdoing it. I'm like yeah because it's like you may let me let me here. Let me walking around with. I look how stack it up this stuff right now. Look at me. I'm making spaghetti like a goddamn genius over here. look at me. i'm going to take a bunch of pictures of me. So in nineteen seventy one of the supreme court justices dies and a seat on the supreme court opens up now that that's when a governor could appoint one it's not the regular election cycle so the president the president of the little like inbetween her so the president elect of the state bar is told. The governor kirk is gonna pick david okay and he is horrified because he's from four peers and he knows david very well and he thought quote he's a crook and an absolute moral degenerate Well dave get him on the court ari and then. The state bar gave the governor report that basically said david is suspected of all these criminal activities. Right and i'm going okay. So the governor obviously takes that and his fucking has asked with it really is because furious at what at being given the not like being called out like that no he thinks democrats are trying to undermine dave mccain. He's like oh this guy's a great guy there playing polit yeah and so he's raised livid he cannot believe so he just immediately picks david. And he's like david on the supreme court. Man you gotta love we operate we are just like every every version of it. It's just bonkers. We just felt like it's just it. It ha- i where was the last time it was like about like doing the right thing. God for how large a hundred years two hundred you ever ever was. I mean honestly. Yeah right right So david's only thirty nine. he's on the florida supreme court. Sure Papers call him a traditionalist not a reformer and david says quote. This has been a dream of mine from the time. I was a young boy i to be a lawyer and then a judge what moy the money. I'm gonna sit in his house and just dream of being a lawyer and a judge to get in a lot of trouble. Because i'd be putting the hammer through the wall saying order owner. That's why so many kids where judge's robes around the house. Oh well every halloween costume. You can't get judge roy. That's right every goddamn time. Yeah every now. No you gotta order gavels online. It's crazy so you went as a judge last year. But i wanna be a judge again i guess. Do your kids always wanna be judges like mine we bought you knew cafo. Oh my god. Order order sustained sustained bailiff. Get him outta here. I don't wanna hear anymore of this garbage for byu. I want a ten minute recess. Mother father please approach the couch so the allegations by his ex campaign manager of taking the campaign contributions. they come up as soon as he's picked to be on the strength cream corner there once again. And all the papers. David says quote i will not dignify any comments made by such a bitter individual except to say they are not true. He's playing politics. Dave everybody's playing politics now the aid the now expounds more on what he saw and he says when one lawyer this happened a few times i guess but it says a lawyer donated twenty five dollars. David said quote. Let's hope he doesn't come before me on the appellate bench. Because he's lost his case. Wow i mean the guy gave him money. Yeah just not enough. I mean guy by the by the way it is a dumb bribe him out. Like if you're gonna bribe judge. It's not like a valet. Give him the keep it up front. Yeah putting the money or he's just like the all things garbage but it's just like look if if you're if you're going play the game let's play the game right. Here's that eight dollars nicholas. So if you could have a not guilty feels pretty good. Doesn't you know he also says david also gave favorable rulings for defendants. Who could help re election. He took money that now. The guy says he took money from gangster. Meyer lansky so it's not great. I mean it's not great news church but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter because he's on the supreme now right he's already on the supreme court right so helen says look. Helen says he loved it. And the doctor said this is a great time in their lives and and said he wanted quote so badly for his opinions to be a work of art. I don't get this. This is what i never understand. It's this okay. So here's someone who is just straight up getting bribed hundred percent and and we know that and that is true and yet they're allowed to still be painted as some sort of visionary. It's like they're not. There's nobody nobody has like nobody has any actual beliefs anymore. I mean there's like three people who have actual believes everyone else is just like i do that. I guess yeah okay. I won't vote for that like and yet you're and we're talking about ideologies all the time and stuff like he's a traditionalist he believes. And it's like no no no no it's just. They've landed in this version of corruption. They're not like oh. This is what i stick to. It's like no. I mean i i've whatever value the pro. This is also his wife. Who's you know when you're married to someone you're on board with the just nonsense right. You're like oh yeah now. He loves it. It's like art. He loves the law. It's the normalization of the bad behavior. Where it's like like. Why is jenna bush on the today. Show fucker don't get me i. Just i'm sorry. So i mean he would. Actually he would wake helen up at like three. Am to breed her an opinion written. Wow which is super normal until they call. It was so great last night. My husband weighed me. Woke me up. In the night and redmi an opinion he'd written and it was really wonderful. It was about helen. It was about helen rise. Rise up open your eyes. We're told the it's three fifteen in the morning so we rode who. I've just written unbelievable opinion. I wanna share with you okay. Can we do in the morning. Or it's about redistricting certain land areas one of the guys paid me. Few thousand dollars to deny The thing i was just talking about which is super specific. So you ready to here baby doll. Yeah okay all right. I don't believe in a lot of things but one thing i do. Hold strong on the ability to give a man control of land that he's already had control of so. I think it would be prudent for me to allow the land to stay at the plaintiffs hands. Denied the defendant. This is how these sound. it's this about okay about native americans. No no no no no. It's two white men but one of them has paid me a lot of money to deny well. He's representing native americans. It doesn't matter. Who's i'm just jazzed about the whole thing. Maybe i should throw in some colorful words. Okay and. I didn't tell you what i'll be banging the gavel a lot throughout that too great. I'd like to bang bang and other gavel right now. You mean right another opinion. Thank you writing opinion strongly over and over all you want a really strong. I'm going to go the typewriter right now. All right i'll see you later. Bye door close. Person can expect to sleep alad winco so it's not. David is really drink. And he's really he's really excelling at the drinking sure he went. He got invited to the tally bar association to give a speech. It's his first time. There is a supreme court judge and quote. He could hardly stand up and the room of lawyers could barely understand what he was saying during the speech. Wow supreme court. A supreme court justice ben overton later said sharing an elevator with david in the morning was quote. Like you're in a bar that had just opened up so he's just dr- i mean what i mean. Yeah he's a glut so he's just taking getting bribed get shit canned. He's he's a functioning alcoholic like there's tons of other he's just he's a thriving. Sure justice became. Roberts called him a quote falling down drunk. This is stuff they said. So he's like he's just like the local supreme court yeltsin. It's not like it's it's an open secret like everybody fucking knows disguise. The judge right. He usually didn't make it to court the supreme court in the morning unless he there were going to be oral arguments or else he just wouldn't he just work from home. Sure reporter martin. Deichmann wrote a lot of a lot of the source material quote occasionally. He would bring in draft opinions that the law clerks considered bazaar he's he's drunk judge jolie drunk judging is i think there's an english expression which is drunk as a judge sobers lord so judges must just bring the hammer. God is that really a thing. That's hilarious yeah. There's like eighteen of those weird little english turns of phrase but yeah okay so so friends and state officials often saw drunk in chambers as early as nine m sure now david started talking to joyce again in nineteen seventy three. All right all right. She's she's gone up to mitch. Wants another break off. The kick i right. She's gone to michigan and remarried visit the kids and then he starts visiting more and more and spending more and more time with joyce. How bad is her new husband. That she's like. Yeah this guy now. That's probably what he did. he probably. She was just like in the yard like having a barbecue with their family and then he grabbed her hand and he was like she lives with me again. Now i'll damn it. You know the law here we go. What can i do to a new life. Man girls want i go. Man watt mad. Take how are right. I go in the trunk. He says goodbye goodbye. So just if justice boyd was elected to the supreme court in nineteen sixty eight. He had grown up a quote penniless hillbillies student who slept in haunted houses and fought bulldogs. That was his sure. Yeah yeah so. That's how it goes. Yeah yup yeah. There's no yeah. Yeah yes i mean again. It's a little at this point. I mean you hear it so got that. A child is raised in haunted houses and fights dogs. So yeah it hap. Yes yes. Of course absolutely so. He is just as boyd a heat before he becomes coach. She's a real estate lawyer. He has almost no experience on the bench. A real estate lawyer. That's a totally different animal. So he appointed in some way as well he. He ran for election he. He was a democrat or republican. People just went to the democrat. No one knows anything about the fucking judges. They they see the dr and they pick them right right when people when someone brought up had no experience boy said quote. That is just not true. I was a judge in the miss opa locka beauty contest i've found Ms fort lauderdale to be the runner up and miss tamper. Guilty of what the competition crazy. Yeah i'd say. I mean that is like i mean. So another judge justice. It was a bikini versus talent suggest. Justice how directly was elected to the supreme court in january nineteen seventy-one. He felt that he owed favors to donors who had given him money particularly one guy. It's pretty good dave. How they're getting the supreme court ready to go there particularly one guy who was a real estate developer so he did things for those donors like college judge who was overseeing a case and said it was important that his friends win so nowadays on the supreme court he would start calling lower judges and be like you know. Be really great. If if frank would win this case you know what i mean like. He's a he's a bud he's he's one of one of us he's about. It's so cool. How in order to get to a position of authority. Once you get there you just pay back all the people to get their corrupted system. It's really perfect. I wonder why should so bad so after you call that judge the judge accusing himself. He's like why can't do this now. But then other judges found out why he recused himself and then no one wanted to take the kid. Like i don't want the case like that's what's going to happen and like it just causes this crazy ripple effect right right right. Now judge boyd. It's out golfing with a buddy who happens to be a lobbyist for a utility company interesting. And they're talking about this case. That utility company has in front of the supreme court man. Just a couple of guys just chew. The fat just have regular legal golf talk and he and judge boys. There's no work deg we're gonna you know clearly fine for you guys your utility company obviously and so the lobbyists like hey cool. What if i write the opinion for you and then you can like turn it in. Yeah of course. Why would that be. So yes yes so. He does the reds a fourteen page. Great pain and and for some reason george. Sorry for some reason boyd has it. And he's in his office with. I think a couple of his law clerks or whatever any any just strikes me he's like. Oh this is a really fucking shitty idea. I shouldn't do this. What when was the last time that happened. That was like. I feel like i've ragging people might be doing bad guests. Am i betting me my bones with bad. So so he asks his he asks. Who's he gonna out. Is it wrong to have the people who were judging right the opinion for me. It's strange so he okay. This is he takes his twenty four year old law clerk into the men's room. Zip strange beginning. Keep on with the fourteen page memo and in front of his law clerk poop together. Locked can be a witness. He tears it up and flushes it down the toilet okay. Very very normal supreme. What mama supreme court. So i think why not just not doing. He's trying to say like. Oh i didn't i didn't turn this in and i'm just trying because it's bad like leaving not just not do that. It should have never been written for him and sent home right. Yeah i would just be like. I'm not gonna do it instead of being like come in here so i'm horribly corrupted but i'm gonna flush this down the toilet it make sure you write that down. He will later explain why but not yet but the thing is that the lobbyists had also given a copy to judge decling. Okay and that judge forwarded to david okay so now dave is going to be like blow so three hundred exactly how. This works three guys. Three supreme court judges have seen it now. This isn't great timing. It turns out for this to happen because the judicial qualifications commission. Which is this sort of legal body that oversees judges almost has very rarely formed like coming to a commission to investigate stuff. Well they're actually now investigating the court because they've heard so many things about about judges calling judges and be like hey. Can you do me a favor. They've heard about directly doing this and they're like yeah they've they've heard about the supreme mob core so it's a really bad time to do this thing of letting lobbyists right european for you sure and then at the same time. The saint petersburg times breaks a story about david trying to fix a criminal case in. The court of appeals as well as the fact that the the j. qc was investigating. David ties to a powerful lawyer for rich clients. So the the firestone lady the wakeman the john deere lady that guys clients. yeah now. they're like what's going on with this. So things are looking good for the court and david general and so now all of the supreme court justices are fucking pissed off pissed right because leaked this information. Are all the judges kind of shape. Oh they're mad. well some are most. Yeah most most most four seven on the but at least four i. It's always good to have corrupted majority but they're just they're just mad that someone leaked it literally just mad like clerk did like. They're angry at their own. Rank lays yeah. They got thrown out. We took a look at it and we find ourselves to be pretty on this one. So we're not guilty for us really. Were just mad about the loose lips thing. So there's going to be matt's terrible. Give me some heads. Rolling secrets used to be a big part of this. So the supreme court rules on a case that comes in front of it. And it forbids the jay from using wiretaps or conversations from i wonder how the courts can find for this from criminal investigations right so so you have a criminal investigation. And there's a wiretap but it's not using the wiretap they said you can't use it against judges who tried to influence the case. Yeah okay so that's just trying to think who that help a very specific law. But obviously i mean. They're the experts. Obviously yes. we believe that. Wiretaps should be legal. And less it's about a body of judges who seem to be influencing case. I mean you're literally being like the the time you can't do it the time that you're doing right now to us that is everything else do you can do. So this. no court in all of america. Has this ever been thing. There's no. There's no previous judge. Clive out for judge judges judge. You're like in the legal system being and the top tier members of this. Not a healthy accountable. Now okay great so literally court close to this kind of decision. It's it's legally insane that they did this right. Even boy now boy does not want who influences other judges. He's just an idiot and other ways he writes an opinion. Dissenting this this decision. And he basically said later the opinion was written to let the public know quote. Something terrible was happening. So terribly rotten was okay so wouldn't take long for the. Us supreme court to throw out that crazy insane ruling of this florida supreme court. Okay i okay. I thought you were going the other way all right. Yeah so right. So they're like no. You can wiretap judge if you hear judge but only but they should not if the judges were potentially influencing the case. We just think that that at that point what is the point. You know what i'm saying. It makes no sense. I mean who knows it. You're saying it doesn't seem to make any sense. Yeah go right yeah. i'm with you. Yeah you want some whiskey. Here's a little bit west. Here's his what are you going to do. I'm a new ruling on the right opinion. I know we've been drinking for awhile. Ryan new paean. Yeah it's fucking simba. Judges can do whatever the fuck they want and fuck you all right. I'm going to add a little flavor into this law we're talking about. I'm a little sick of the robes. Thank you think. The judge should be allowed to walk around the courtroom. Like he's in his dance and in my den. Nudity happens to be allowed so there's nothing wrong with having a in a pair of tight underpants a couple of gold chains and roaming i. I don't like this this whole bench thing seems like such a formality. If the benches clear maybe. But i also think the judge should be allowed to sort of walk around sherlock holmes style taking events and details and again casually drinking and if look if it slips out it slips out yet happens look lose panties. I'm wearing if it slips out through the side slips out through this side sometimes. I don't wanna go down the hall to the bathroom to go on the corner. you know. i uh them awesome. Awesome awesome awesome addendum. Judges can make in any zone in the room. They want thank you. Yeah just makes total sense and we're allowed to marry any attractive people to us by taking their hand. That is a sign of judge marriage. That's right and anybody can write any opinion whoever we want. That's fine when you get to spit on people get to spin and that's and again you could use the toilet anywhere in the courtroom and you could call while you're pissing on the wall or whatever on the bailiff you could say i'm a justice of the piss cancer. Just say we get to wear headbands without question. We get to wear headbands and i think we should be allowed to paint our faces and our chests thank you. I'm not fucking around anymore. I'm a little sick of all this rule rule rule. You should come into court. See my painted face and be like what the fuck is happening. And i should be able to go like you got that right. You're guilty okay all right. i'm fridays. you get to paint a face on your butt and pretend that you're a thank you. I think we're done. I think we're done chairs. There's nothing left to say. Now that you signed off on that last part which. I was afraid you were gonna find grace. It's stolen normal and try to try to stop this supreme core united states. Good luck rock-solid rock-solid disantle but the gavel in your bud pretend like it's a pipe. It's friday baby what no. I'm just going with the painted face on your butt thing the gavel and could go in and it will look like a corncob pipe if you painted the right face on your. But i'm saying it'd be a funny ad you could even light it and go more more. I'm not sure if i've heard enough of this. You know stuff like that. Friday's only awesome. Awesome awesome fucking awesome. Not the pipe everything. Excuse me i'm justice of the piss okay. I like that here. We go thank you. The supreme court threw it out but during that time when it was you know real by florida supreme court and then over ruled by the us court. It gave david like screw. It gave him a screen like he. It made it hard for the the jacob to go after him right and so three months after that ruling. David asked to sit in a judge's place i like. This is something they could do. He asked to sit in the judges place on the appellate court when a lawyer who brought up tons of contributions had a case scheduled. So he i guess he can literally just go. Hey modify sit in on this one Top dog like your tag team. I'ma tag me top dogs. Let me jump in on this cool tag me in it. My hand you're in. I'll run the case it's crazy. It's so weird. Like how would they think that's a good thing anyway. The court i mean yeah i well the problem is the judges are coming up with the laws. And so i remember i remember. They said they were just mad about the leaks and now the court charges boyd's aid. The guy went in the bathroom with him with contempt of court for leaking. A different document was shown a document to a friend an old class. Just a bullsh- bullshit name just to bust 'em for the other thing. He was dinner with a guy that he'd gone to law school with these shuttle thing and the and the guy turned him in. So but what did he do in the first place other than just go to the bathroom. Well it's not even about that. They're just trying to get trying to get they. Just don't want right eight eight. He knows he knows too much. They blame him for the bigger leak. So they're getting in person. What do you expect or you going to bathroom with two other guys. You're gonna get a big league. Hey all everybody to for one ways. So the chief justice of the supreme court wants this legal aid disbarred but he only gets probation. The aid has already. He's not even working on this for the sprint garden. Where he is now gone to. Dc and is working for the us justice department and when he goes to his boss and he goes look. i got put on probation and they say quote. It's a mark of honor to be held in contempt by the florida supreme court in our department. God oh man so so. There's now major tension on the court boy says the other judges are angry because they all blame him for the memo situation right. The opinion and the other judges are like shut up by so there a and then a couple of the judges start talking to the newspapers in a paper. Reports to judges said boyd had gone to new orleans clinic for psychiatric treatment and possibly had a nervous breakdown. Okay and most fair this. It's a lot of undercutting day. And most of the justice is it turns out are now supporting boyd's opponent in the next election. Well so i mean it's like the real housewives of the judicial system. It's crazy so right before. The democratic primary boyd holds a press conference and accuses justice. Pk roberts of tricking him into going to the psychiatric clinic allied. So so so. Roberts was at this point. I guess the supreme chief justice rotate. So he's the chief justice and he. He boyd says roberts told them all. The justices had to get mental exam to stay on the court with him. What hazing into like getting expelled tricked him to go to psychiatric psychiatric judges are doing then and then like he wants to get clinic they just trying to undermine election just one day like the guys get gb gone and gotten your psychiatric evaluations yet. It's really weird. The guy has asked me a lot of questions. He was recording it god range. We're that we do that. So it's a new thing is the we're yeah i heard of so. I was sort of like but i went. Did it twice. So that'd be fine so now as far as the j. c. investigation declaration says quote a lack of bad faith and moral turpitude in the matter. Should excuse me from a rule from the bench. So he's like look. I'm i'm such a good dude that even though i did this thing. I'm pretty fucking rat. And i'm an emperor of the court. So and then. He said so. Many memos and briefs came into his office. It would be easy for an improper one to find its way. And he just flooded with like memos and briefs and so you know one written by lobbyists. That's that's gonna get in here. What am i supposed to be good at this. So he also. It's amazing how like that. I mean for people who had to pass the bar. They've made the bar so low my god and so he also said quote. There has been no wrongdoing. No big deal involved right and their share. There's no question so we're good to go. It's i get i have. You should see my desk is flooded with papers all bad woods. good ones. it's all just. There's all kinds of stuff on there. I don't have time to do the job. You elected me too. Good god now. It turns out the j. Qc is also problem because it's full. It's judges looking into other judges and nine of the thirteen have to agree if a punishment is warranted but some are voting as a block and letting off judges so all you need is all you need is five right and then no one. Can you know think we've just got a rotting heart of judges spread throughout the world of judgment until it. Yeah so the the gel florida. The j. j. qc has a hearing over the lobbyists opinion that was written sure and the judge's testified that the pre written opinion was no big deal. So all the judges on the corner. Like it's no big deal. Someone broke this thing. It's not whatever thing. And then what what they said. They're they're at a hearing to determine how lobbyists is written the thing and they all come out and the go look. The league is the problem the fact that somebody left this out. That's the problem that's right. Yeah right yep. And then the real. That's the issue under questioning. Roberts admits that he tricked boyd into going to the the psychiatric clinic and then he after that he says well boyd secretary found eleven bottles of pain pills in his desk all prescribed by doctors. Okay i mean the what does he also. And if you're evaluation pretend you broke your back and just go to like eleven doctors and just really load up. We're all doing it just the thing we have to do. And then boyd secretary comes in. And she's like yeah he he has eleven bottles of pain pills and she said boyd would slam quote handfuls of pills okay. So we're just like there's just no real okay. I mean david's drug all the time so our court right now is a guy who's hammered all the time and a guy who's just eating prescription pills like for just just chewing vikes. She also said one day. Boyd came in and told her that he thought he was gonna shoot all of so. It's a really guy. It's a really cool supreme court. I'm going to go eat a handful of pills. But i'd be like directly is gonna kill us anyway. Would practice get stale. The late tonight then boy testifies and says he doesn't remember getting the memo. It doesn't know where that happened and is asked why he then then they're like well. Why did you flush down the toilet. And he said well look. I used to be an investigator quote. I found that this was the most complete way of getting rid of something. How what i mean is this like what is he. How does that even like like. Have you never thought of what you're going to say to. This question is like a judge. A judge flush heroin down the toilet. It's just what you do. Why did you. Why did you bury her well. 'cause i murdered her so i didn't watch the finder that crazy. Oh my god so that it could be easily been smuggled into his office which was very easy quote when oh yeah people are always smuggling briefs in here said and it was really easy quote when people find out. What kind of medication. I have my desk drawers. And when i find little pieces of metal on the side of the telephone which indicates to me. My phone is bugged when things recess. Can we just take quick recess every day. We don't need to talk for a little bit. I think would latakia seems to be getting in the way of a lot of the things we wanted to say. And leave the impression of so you know the problem is that the problem is that takes will appear on my desk. I've had so boxy. Cotton fork stick to me that makes sense. Oh yeah know. You're your honor. It absolutely makes sense. Thank you we're going to take a break. I'm gonna piss i this okay. So he's as you can imagine from this one statement. He is a complete disaster on the stand. It's not a lot of us. Were getting from that dave. He only testified for an hour and a half and during that time. He admitted that he destroyed the evidence that he didn't tell the j. Qc or the bar or the court about the opinion and then and then he also said the lobbyist was someone who always told the truth. Even the lobbyist had said boy and asked for the memo so just completely like it was just devastating to him a blaze of glory. He just set. Everything on fire was like i did it. I still i k-. I can't wait to figure out why he thought i think it'd be like i think he's an idiot. Yeah okay well. That's a great explanation. But it's just like the idea like wait. I don't want to get rid of this alone. i need people to know. I flushed down the toilet. I mean there there really. Is he the only reason you would flush it is because you know it's completely illegal that it's there and that's why you would have a with your base. You're basically saying. I want to witness. No i didn't use this. But i feel like you're highlighting. It's like you protest too much like just get rid of it. Get rid of this. I mean he probably had like a bottle of xanax advising him like a devil on his shoulder. Yeah you flush down now. Directly has a completely separate hearing in a pretrial deposition over the opinion that the lobbyist brought. He said the lobbyists told him he was riding for boyd and was going to give him a copy. Was there anything incriminating museum that would affect boy did anyway. Deathly said he thought quote. This is a nice way to put it. He's not lobbing me. He's just giving me a copy if he is lucky enough for me to be with him. Which i think is a nice way for an attorney to do. I mean this this set of set of judges. These these are judges. These are judges. it sounds i. it sounds like just like everybody switched bodies and then we're like how do we pretend we're judges for a week. We've got eczema like we know what we're doing. So boyd and directly charged with conduct unbecoming a judge. Now that's nice nice on light so that but that's just like the those are just like the hearings and then determining the charges so boyd goes on trial for violating the experts. Say rule destroying evidence not reporting the memo to the bar. Jake or the court so at this trial is secretary. Testifies again says the exact same stuff. Four days later he fires her and called her testimony her quote farewell address. Good i mean. Let's let's time to be a little further. Blatant it's weird. It's almost like they only knew how to like. Lie a little bit like now. It's just people lie forever like like they're lies will but it seems like you were caught in your one lie. You're like well. I shouldn't be lying anymore. You know whereas now you just lies beget lies on you. Know yeah so declan. Boyd are both found guilty of misconduct. And it's recommended that they be removed from the bench so in this court in this j. qc court. They're like okay so they've they've done misconduct and they should be removed and the final decision to remove them is up to this thing called the supreme court of florida. Okay so just to be clear. It seems like i mean. Are they literally going to be like well. I've heard the testimony against me. And i'm just not buying. So how does so all the other judges as they mostly recused themselves but they they get to pick their replacement this is just and then the one guy that the new governor had put on who was super ethical like the new guy and was like you know a honest judge right. I definitely went to him. And said i think you should recuse yourself. And he goes okay and he did it even though he did. He didn't need to at all but he's like. Yeah okay that makes sense so sure. I don't know anything. So it's a panel of seven judges that the court picks and guess what the panel there homers. Yeah it doesn't remove for bench. Just reprimands boyd. Endemically right and so directly are like yeah so look. We're back so they called. They called boyd's conduct quote. Bumbling lee bizarre but they also said look his dad is dying right now and he's under a lot of mental stress. Oh for god's sake and then they say and then they say. They couldn't find any proof that he was dishonest. Corrupt or venal are the that he accepted a bribe so they created this new definition and they said since he didn't take any cash it wasn't corruption. What did he take he took. He took an opinion from a lobbyist. Oh right but but yet. But wasn't is he not. Getting some sort of kickback. Off of that situation well of course these. The end of the day he get help from the cancan campaign contribution at the end of the days when utility. but there's no one actually handing money. There's no right so it's just right. We have footage of it so school so boy and they go out and they declare victory and directly says quote. I feel vindicated. He said he was happy and confident that he'd be reelected. But then the next day you know people are like what the fuck is this. And he comes out and he admits accepting the opinion was a quote procedural wrong and he'd be a better judge for moving forward. He's learned his lesson. He knows what to do now and then like being a judge was not one of those jobs where you're learning on the fly. Look like it was kind of like the end of the road a little bit as a judge. You know my first years. It did a lot of illegal stuff but now getting better. I'm doing a lot less illegal stuff. It turns out in order to be a judge. You can't be a criminal. So and i've learned that i learned that the hard way. Nobody told me so after saying he would be a better judge for moving. Forward deadly added that he'd been the victim of a quote wicked vendetta status witch hunt always and then boy declared he was quote totally unimpressed with the reprimand. So they're just saying that they got away they don't give a shit there. What they did was fine. Well once you once you get away with it you're able to declare that it was a witch hunt and that you've been vindicated and all that stuff because it. Yeah i mean that is the appearance but it doesn't matter how you get to the place where people stop talking about it. Once you get there you've won. It's over the the judges staffs right. They're all lawyers and they're just like this is all too much and they. They start turning in their their judges on the supreme court for improper behavior and leaking into the press. Sedated is now really angry about these leaks good. It's good that he's actually finally focusing on the right stuff. To and and judge. Roberts says quote all of mccain's irish temper came out the exploded and explained that he wasn't going to have anybody burglarizing his office. And then david threatened. Whoever leaked it with a pete god so i mean it's just like the bothia it's honestly you just picture billy bob thornton in bad judge to beat up other lawyers ya. It's just crazy so now he's a judge he. He's a judge a judge. I mean i really like a you know. I'm not saying it's the most respectable position. Obviously corruption bleeds into everywhere but this is like judge bolsonaro. it's crazy so everyone in the state now flips out because this seems like just obvious. Good ole boy network covering for each other which it is right it totally and the orlando sentinel said quote. The supreme court treats the judiciary and the legal profession as a private club so pretty much every paper is just like this is fucking crazy. Every paper in the state is like okay enough. The florida house starts impeachment proceedings against boyd and directly. So they have. This is where this is where you telling me that. They get to rule over there impeachment. So they start a start a to do impeachment. If you don't know you doesn't just go straight to impeachments. Because it's in the house of florida. So they they started commission the commission whether or not there should be an impeachment and then it goes forward and then they vote on impeachment so the articles of the articles so declan testifies in just fucking buries himself he. It's just the same stumbling bumbling chet and he quits the supreme court four days later while saying he's innocent he says look i'm innocent but my health is suffering and i can't afford the legal fees on a judge's salary to defend myself against all the stuff which is why take money. Here's the thing. I take money because i don't have the money to defend myself from all the legal problems from the fact that i'm not i know it's a cycle if you think about it but i need to be paid more is what i'm saying. Do you understand this. But i mean it's just again i mean the behavior i just love the behavior of being like i- residing on my turn asshole. You don't get to do that. Why do we just so confident that we let people be like well. I don't agree with it leaving. I mean he he quit because he was gonna go down like he was like no you. You're saving as much as possible. So boyd melted down again in front of the commission while testifying saying he was the victim of a plot quote. Both the black hat and white had boys are after me. Did i not tell you about the black hat. White hat boys well. They're crew of multi-colored top hat wearing absolute scoundrels. They've not left me alone for a while. Every night i walk. Oh by just hear. The click clack of chaperones on their heads. Have you seen spy spy. It's basically that. But there's ted of so well i guess it's time for me to introduce the court to the white hat. Black hat. boys boy also said his secretary had tried to get him kicked off the court by saying he had a mental illness. Which i don't it's just that the black hat white hat boys put a chip in my veins but the commission after that testifies the commission is delayed because the legislator who was running it had a sack on his asaf against and he had to have surgery and during the surgery he almost died. Oh my god it was probably money so weeks go by and then they try to ready to hard on everyone. I've got a throat sac. So weeks go by. And then they finally go. Let's have someone else. Take over the commission and this is phil. This sounds like a student. Un like it's run with the it's like just you don't get to just be like you'll be china. It doesn't matter and when they come back into session the house just like bringing a guy a movie critic in for the last five minutes of a movie to replace the guy who watched the of it and be like. Now you right you right you tell us what is all. This time has gone by. They decided not to impeach justice boyd. Well this is taking forever. We can't impeach this point. It'd be rude but boy did agree for them dropping. The impeachment charges that he would get a mental and physical exam at the university of florida. It's another trap well. They were hoping having seen him on the witness stand and read about his that he he did there like this guy's out of his gourd right so they're thinking he will be they'll he'll be declared unfit and then then that's easy to take them off the court that's a super eastside. Procedural thing to do sure but he doesn't go to the university because the university of miami and the doctors there say he has no signs of mental illness. And the report said boyd was quote a highly scrupulous and meticulous almost over conscientious person who in spite of his long experience in the political arenas is probably more vulnerable to criticism than he is likely to believe. And he is a highly principled man He's so principal accusations hurt. You saw you. The judge said so he then ran on his next election was coming up and he said he's only judge has been declared sane. By by the way. I guess at this point it actually is a good selling point. He won was sixteen saying judge on the court he was legally was sixty four percent of the vote. Of course dave. I mean look. He's been declared not insane. What a gift. So the house the focus of the house committee. They're not done and they then turned their focus on justice david mccain now one of david's legal aids told the j. Qc that he'd ask for her to find why occasion should be appealed but it wasn't even in front of the supreme court yet so that's not what you would ever do. You're not like right. Hey what's up this case in this thing. Supposedly your desk is covered in so many papers that you don't want lobbyists lobbyists in a fourteen page opinion into your stack and it turned. But he's like. I just want to work future cases. That aren't mind if that's cool. Is that weird. It's a hobby just the little recreational thing. I'm doing what turned out to lawyers involved in the case david's old house in fort pierce interesting weird. I wonder what the connection is. The house committee then learned the florida department of law enforcement had found out. David was friends with an ex prison guard who was put in jail for letting inmates out to commit burglaries. I'm wait in. What scheme is that. He gets a kickback. Must've gotten to kick back and giving them a little bit of money. The iv that is the case you could say you could have you full term or you can be what we call the prison. Inter- it's nuts could get it beginning part top cat burglar from me and the resou- jailer crime. Which would you rather the reason. They looked into it because david pulled strings to get the x. Guard civil rights restored so he must have gotten voting rights back and stuff like that so when the committee hearings were going on. The x guard had been charged with smuggling marijuana. So this guy's this guy's deep into the drug world now at davidson peach. -ment hearing tons of evidence is present all the show we've already talked about. The committee then decided to survey every judge in florida and found three more that he tried to influence by calling four x supreme court. Researchers said david testified four court. Researchers testified the david rig the courts for his friends and one time bragged that there is a quote fix for specific case and that guy turned out to one of his ex paternity brothers college of my lord learn mean it it just it does just show you like how casual i mean. It's just so casual. It's out the open quiet parts out loud. It was learned that in february nineteen seventy-three. David paid off his second mortgage mortgage which was overdue at the time and he paid it with nine thousand four hundred and forty dollars in cash all take twenty dollar bills. It's it's also like like look. It's a mortgage. It's not that much like sacrificing. I obviously look your regular person. But you're paid to just be above this and clearly. You're not but you're just doing it for your house payment. It's just sort of like do. Come on dude like that dude. I just loved that. He paid it intended. Twenty dollar bills is totally. Normal for judge is judged up. We get we get paid. And can't i'm a judge. I get paid in tips. Can you imagine losing kowtow. Shit fuck god damn it. All right here we go. I'll do the ted's first this time. Get them out of the way since they take so long. Think about getting fifty david. That now now didn't cross my mind. Actually i my first instinct was to do it with twos. But they didn't have enough so when the press questioned him about it. David said the money came from his father in law and he didn't like the deal with checks quote so we wouldn't have to go through an audit by the irs. Why i mean why. Why what is the point like if you're justification is just so transparent like i'm gonna like no no. We know that i didn't want to do. I didn't wanna do it. Legally is what i'm saying. I'm a judge. The reason why i killed the man is because he owed me money and i hate him that not. What's not clicking for you guys here so two months after he paid off. I stole the car. Because i really wanted to be mine. I wanted to go somewhere. I was in. I wanted to head another place do you not. Why has everyone not blinking looking at me. Like i'm crazy. So two months after he paid that mortgage off a union rep was ordered by his union president to the union. President is a full on criminal. So the president tells a year up to ten thousand dollars in cash and two gold cufflinks to david's in the supreme court okay and the union wrap his told not to look in james bond. Still not to look in this envelope. And he's like this is weird. I'm gonna look in the app. He sees the cash and then he goes back to the president. And he's like. I don't want to do this. This is like a crime. I don't wanna do this. You look at the envelope. did you. The president responds to do it or quote. You won't be around so long and neither will very few members of your family be around all right. I'll go drop it up good to talk to you. That's awesome. That's crazy so do it or you an everyone you love will die actually. That's actually a good motivation. I was looking for and get a truck. Go to 'cause you run a behind with all this morality. Guess that i guess yes i yes run. Don't walk you're going. So when he takes the bribe to david. This is where it gets crazy for me. David just misses where. It's so the brazenness so he he hints ambler. David david is unseen. Does it and dumps out the cash on his desk. Oh that's nice and he's like yeah. They're all right. Yep the money's there good. This is literally in his office in the fucking supreme court. Ed sounds a little cavalier. Sure two days later the union here. Let's let's let's make a video while we're around the money. Let's throw some of it in the air here. I'm going to get in my underpants. Get a little snifter a whiskey going. And then i'm gonna toss it up in the air like sharon stone ready. Get film this illness. So two days later the use case goes before the supreme court where it got thrown out. Okay wow wonder what strange. It's hard to know. I mean i look. There's certain things that i'm like maybe influenced but there's nothing that i'm like. Oh that did it. So i mean maybe what. He dubbed the money on the table at. That's all i love it. There were also gold cufflinks on top of that just weird like you know what else i really liked it. This cufflinks you word the martinez his party throw those in. It'll help me make the proper judgment so now. The john deere heiress wakeman shoe. Washy comes in a way. She comes in and testifies. And she buries david i. It's basically like i was told to. The he came to the house. They ask for thousand dollars. It's just her. she's a rich woman so they're all like oh. I believe her just stares right completely bury some and them and they immediately but the chief counsel for the impeachment said quote. We had more than enough evidence to show the man to be a thorough rascal. A legal rascal is what is now. After they vote to impeach. David talks to the press and says that he is being treated so which china he's being treated like a common criminal. Yeah sorry thought because you were black robe. You're not you're a superhero. But remember he still on the court making decisions. I mean for how long case at this time allows suspenders disbarred lawyers to work as paralegals so he literally he is him in boyd. I are still on. And they're both at a place where they could lose their jobs on the same court and then they are right heart of decision that says well if you lose your job as a judge or lower you can work as a paralegal and jake. you know. this can't be a thing and they're like no. We're going to need this. Their judges still. So that's not how it works. So they're setting themselves up to help themselves down the road. Yes very now. It's now david has been a judge while he only needs four more months to get his pension. Oh my god dave. You're touch twentieth century fox. So he may four months to pension he comes to. He goes to the governor and comes soon agreement that he would resign if he would get his pension. And the governor says okay man that is such bullshit and then he resigns and in his resignation letter. He says his record was quote not only defensible but untarnished so he tells the governor quote without hesitation or or equivocation. I cannot conceive of any wrong or misdoing on my part in less and less compassion for your fellow. Man somehow became offensive if that fellow man is me. If i'm the fellow man that needs to compassion. That's the thing. I do think they convince themselves that. I think you have to be convincing yourself that you're maybe not even that you're doing good but it's a really hard system to navigate and you're finding the way to get things that you need. I think that there is like just an enormous level of kool aid. Drinking that goes on with the because you're surrounded by it. So i think you just sort of it you know. It's business as usual. Yes and then. I would also add to that like this why you don't tell the child that he's the special one. Yes it would happen to support your kids to buy. Because he he's like. I can't do any wrong. The special one. I can't a mortgage payment. I'm the perfect. But in the end the green where the government doesn't mean anything and he loses expansion. So he's out as pension and he he told helen. The impeachment thing was rigged from the beginning to which so now according to helen. The plan is now to move to orlando which no one should ever do ever. That's another thing it's always a good start to a place like saying we're gonna move to orlando Okay great. I'm out by the way so i'm out on the plane but i'd love to hear where it's headed and there he would set up a law firm then expand and open up law firms branches in miami and fort peers. Sure that's going to helen. But david has other ideas because he had talked joyce into leaving her husband and she had moved back to fort peers. In one thousand nine hundred seventy six the plan about a to helen when everything calms down and then he would remarry joyce then they live happy after share but around this time he ends up in a hospital. I think he goes into get treatment and ends up on a hospital psychiatric ward. So he's in their friends in there for a little spell. And when when he when he was out the miami herald wrote quote mccain consoled himself with chivas regal. Sure that's a prescription. In nineteen seventy seven. David was arrested for drunk driving and lost his license for ninety days. Okay it's always amazing to me. How long alcoholics can go without getting a dui. It's really just shows you how functioning they can be you know. Yeah right one night. He confronted three loud teenage girls outside of his miami apartment. I'm sure you handled this fine. If we're hearing about it. One of their mothers. I came out in the hall. And he was standing there in his skivvies. His boxer shorts and a tee shirt. He was holding a loaded gun at his side So yeah i mean you know just hearing that makes you think this guy's should still be like he's still has it. There's no doubt i so. He's charged with aggravated assault and he gets a year probation in the court may let me guess he's the one he's the one who gets to see the case the court makes him go to rehab okay so he sobers up he's actually sober and he's over for a year now he's said it. I do i debit. Oh horrible judge. He is still working as a lawyer. But now the florida bar i. They've wanted him disbarred. That that's the circle. So in june nineteen seventy eight. The supreme court disbars him and david is super despondent and he starts drinking again after that year sobriety clerks some law firms. And right he can clerk as he said himself up with his own. He made a great decision for the state. That like i know it. Yeah because some law firms is kicking around miami. He tried to start a business as a consultant but he failed so he needs to make money. He needs money. Yeah i remember that guy. The guard who was in the pot. Yeah yeah the guy would let the released prisoner. I can't connect those two but david. They became part of an attempt to smuggle thirty pounds of marijuana from colombia to florida. Oh my god what a capper what it okay. David is one of the investors and they buy shrimp boat named lady hamilton. And they send it to columbia but it comes back with no pot. Well that's seems like an issue. So david grills the ship captain about where he'd gone in columbia because the guys i wasn't there and and and the whoever it's either undercover agent or the tapes. But they were the the investigators are like. It's obvious that he david new columbia ferry well so the boat is set back to colombia. And this time picks up the load of pot and it sales up and is near the keys and where it's going to meet to lobster boats. And then it's going to be offloaded onto lobster boats and then taken onto florida land but as there in the middle of doing it a. Us custom boat rolls up. One lobbyist these lobster one loss. There's no drug seafood smell coming from this big shrimp boat in this lobster vessel one lobster crews arrested. The other boats are able to get away. They then told so they they come back and they tell david. Both boats were captured. So stir was to get away with pot on it. But they come back on the They got them both. David lucy's investment and he ends up being charged but he's not done in september nineteen eighty two. He was charged again. He was again an investor in another shrimp boat. This time using the alias. joe rico. The problem is that. I used my name for the first five. Unfortunately david mccain's no longer with us. I mean could me rica. could you imagine going from being a judge in the supreme court to now using the alias. Joe rico to buy pot. Well it's basic is the second time around to be like the thing i did. Wrong was b. Be me joe rica week. Oh no it's very it's very. I mean look. It's obviously very validating. For the fact that this person be a judge so again boat goes down to columbia this new that they got it is believed it picked up about ten thousand pounds of pot but soldiers captured the crew and the captain threatened to kill him and they called david and they ask for half a million random and david says quote. I'm sorry i can't help you. Let's it that's what he does. But then god. I'm not sure how this happens. But somehow the da gets the boat. And the sheriff of cameron peres says quote through informers wiretaps and statements by co-conspirators. We got mccain on state then later federal indictments. He had a key role in the operation later from good sources that he had become a government. Informer this guy. I mean honestly wherever a moth light right so so he was arraigned in january nineteen eighty three and he got bail on before arraignment he just he takes three suits some underwear and socks and he just bails. That's all it takes. He didn't tell us lawyers. He didn't tell joyce that he's going. He told the friend that he didn't think he'd last a minute in prison. Because he'd been a judge so no one knows exactly what david mccain was doing. He told joyce that he spent three years living alone in a motel room something. He was traveling in south america. Others that he was using an alias. In miami that was set up by cubans who had helped over the years but most people and it seems like what really happened is that he had a deal with the fbi and was narc right. The bail bondsman. Who put up his bail that he walked out on. Obviously the guys out like fifty grams so he searched for him and couldn't find him and the bell bosnian have millions of connection and he couldn't find anything. He was sure that david had become a government informant. Long a longtime friend. David said he was actually working as a paralegal for a law firm using alias in columbia south carolina. The friends that they would go to have lunch right near the federal building. So the building. The restaurant is full of feds and david was never slightly worried about it. He his whole career is like lasers. so why. why would he be careful now what his friend would say. Aren't you worried about those. He would just wake and say quote. Don't worry about a thing. He was just walking around ted as the wife. all right. thank you so much. I you a burrito anyway Yeah so things are fine. So he's just walking around on the open and the friend was convinced he was also working for the feds right okay. So in ninety six david reached out to his kids choice and he told them he was sick. He had cancer so his son comes up and helps him. Stay in hiding in jacksonville. he's now using the alias. Tom mills and then joyce and their daughters would come up and they would take care of them. They paid all the doctor bills and cash. He would go out fishing with his kids and grandson but then word came. The cancer spread too far. He always had an alcoholics anonymous book with him at this time but he kept smoking. You never stop smoking. He died on november eleventh. Nine hundred eighty six day died. A letter was delivered to the us. Attorney in miami. David written what it would take for him to surrender. He wanted to wipe the slate clean tournaments in and then be released die but he died. I honestly very fitting boyd remained on the court and became chief justice in one thousand nine hundred eighty four the last year before mandatory retirement from the court interesting so he was able to stay in the blood and he you know i. The thing about boyd is boyd wrote a lot of dissenting opinions against the when there was clear corruption going on right. That's why a lot of the other guys in the corner. But he had. I mean he was dirty to like. He did take the opinion from the from the lobbyists because he was caught up in any ripped it up and he. I mean it's it is. There's just such a low bar with these people that you that we've just talked about. In fact one guy is like i should flush this hero. Well so he's a pill freak like all of his his crazy rants like he's not fucking good either but you know jesus christ what just insane so as so basically like fear and loathing in the legal system in the middle of all this they got they made it so people didn't elect the voters like no. We shouldn't be electing these people. The governor so the the the the people of florida said take it away from us. We're not doing this well. So after that the governor started picking supreme court justices isn't that it slowly cleared up at got more honest and man. What still let me look look. Cavanaugh is on the us supreme court and he had. I think it was a six hundred sixty. Three thousand dollar debt wiped out right before months before he was put on the court by. We don't know who so it's no fucking different. It's no different. No i mean well. I think the thing is that when you think of the supreme court you know it just obviously has changed dramatically as far as like what What it takes all right source. This are the miami herald. The tampa tribune the orlando sentinel and the book. A most disorderly court scandal and reform in the florida judiciary by martin a deichmann. Really good book. He was a reporter. That was there when it was all going on. We signed cars.

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498 - Madame Dumont

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498 - Madame Dumont

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Joke is it as a guy sits down. he's interviewing and he keeps calling them down asking. They allowed that in the commercials. That's interesting okay. So people gossip that she was fleeing some sort of scandal or she was biracial and trying to get out of the south. And i like that. Those are like unequal horrible. She's not pure white either way as a crime has been committed. Yeah so they've thought there are people that are like she's trying to pass as white house. Would someone come here so other people thought she was hiding in the in the. Us this this skin lottery is just. It really is just i dunno. It just keeps getting harder to fathom it episode by episode. it's never ending just like a great thing. We all the rights. And it's like. I'm gonna pretend to be the w pretended to be as other skin was different color. That's it that's life you got the draw. Sorry go get my shoes She was hiding in the us and she was an heiress from europe. Which i don't tell. I've secretly awesome to the queen and prince is going to fox hunt for her man. We find something that she is short. It's an heiress. That's it jeter. Luxury bath and kate made of jewels as soon as possible. She shan't leave this prison again. I'm escaping from all. We're live a life of decadence. I have some cake frosting quick with frosty champagne. I have champagne. We'll pack you got. She's gone. I don't know she's vanished. Son i had an idea like someone might of said something. No thanks so. She didn't challenge any of these rumors. She was just like whatever rumors and calls himself. Madame right madame. Eleanor dual. She's very young. she's very good looking cheese. A hot hottie. okay. She's such as an olive complexion latin charm. She spoke french as well as english and she knew french. Manners and customs very well so the racism is sort of hard to pin down. Because she's people like how dare she pretend to be white also and then yet they're also like wow she is. Don't tell you what for For some that's not as good as me. she's fantastic. Yeah so that's okay. So author jan mckell collins quote writers and joy describing her gorgeous features in great detail bush's. She's got some pretty Area has got some real. This is where they do that they were there. Like mme do moment who has an olive complexion and knows that you could just die for. Looks like it came off a diamond chip or ears that you just wanna lay earrings upon and neck that has veins like a cascading river through the mountains upon it. Now that all and lovely rosie rudy cheeks. She's adequately or cleveland. You can lose your keys down one of those wondering about anyway. Do we have to say about her. I forget what she did but man. She's having a potluck. That's it gets hot. Babe potluck so described gorgeous features in great detail using phrases like abundant purple black hair complexion of the clearest all of you know the clearest latin charm is that beautiful scarlet lips parted slightly to show two rows of pearly teeth. Okay look i mean. Lips literally got lips. No no these lips you can. If you move the party lips. That were jacob somehow. Split them apart. Just get you see these white. You've never seen anything like it and piercing is of the deepest green. Okay yeah all right. So a rep. Revolution broke france in eighteen. Forty eight and workers including women started organizing and the government ordered a bunch of women to cancel a meeting. Like no you. Can't you can't in groups so you're really planning your candidate film. These always a today. you're doing a broadcast. I i know it's weirder with the cameras will normally. There's like stuff i agree. This is different and also. There's no microphones from india. Because there's no. I'm knitting for this So eight hundred forty. Tell these women not to organize and because their french. They've just started writing with that. We should do that. They're so good at it. King louis philippe was off. Donald is tragic for catch up like kids. Straight driver track pass through the fidel project. Copper free up so two days later the king was off the throne. Wow in the. Us people are very sympathetic to the revolution the cannon journal quote the tumor talking about king philip. The tune tumor of the three glorious days has turned his back upon france but it has said he goes to america. Tomorrow be it so only take care of him when you get him. So they're like. I can't guys this asshole. Tomorrow's practicum sooners. Let's kill the so french people start heading to the us to get away from all the violence that's happening many go to california because the goal russia's happening shirt and westerners are fascinated by frenchwomen. Okay and they really enjoyed french. Sex workers okay interesting. Okay sure many had worked on the streets in france but here they were in brothels that required men to bathe and clean up before their appointments. And here i thought we had a little bark. god. I mean like when i was in paris with my brother wants we were like it was some of the strongest beato ever in the subway down there so i feel. I'm traveling through their history. Yeah i mean. But i think back then. People were just like normal. It didn't until recent thing that'd be oh became a bad but there there's still like levels of bio late. There's a video where you can enjoy your bio and then there's a b. o. Where you're like i on humans. Killing on other i belong into. I should be heard. I need to be trained. Yeah yeah yeah so you know. But i could imagine there. I can imagine there being a great ripening in france. The great ripening is a book. We'll talk about that later. So so yes and they make men wash that makes the men feel like oh these are special ladies because they actually want me to clean beaver. Schmidt bows show spatial sadar. She me go ahead and just watch the whole area down there and let me tell you i. Honestly it's a good thing. I did so much and look like i. I like i was just knocking dirt off. It is extracted a catcher's mitt against my legs. Yeah i don't know you well enough. I'm just saying it was like honestly players like watching a cave collapse with all the dust and debris that dropped out it fell art. Can i have room yeah. Of course you can't. I'll build you want out of all the debris that dropped out and go. I built a log cabin. I'm building a throw a pile so the journals the time quote. If the poor fellows knew what these women had been in paris how one could pick them up on the boulevards for almost nothing. They might have been as free with their offers of five or six hundred dollars a night they would have offering at that time. The is that is that though. It's crazy gold rush thing where. There's just strives dollars. I mean i yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot to me now. Yeah it's yeah for anything let alone evening evening or an hour i mean what are you talking about is beyond the ten minutes for seven hundred dollars. Okay four minutes. Yeah now. I wanna talk i think guys would i pull that whether or not they were. They were just french. Ladies and the digital. Gad's whatever. So i would open a dialect coaching business. I would too but either way. There's a french faddish going on. Okay and it's a perfect time for my madame dumas. Okay so women also hung out and gambling houses during the day at to lurid male customers. Okay and the lady's got a daily fee for great. So madam dumas began honing persona in san francisco as a decoration lady as they were called. Meaning she's decoration. She is like arm candy yes. She's a hangout lady. Right right rent a friend. Brenda rented lady pal. Sure she worked at the bella union a theater gambling house she specialized in the game avant which blackjack yeah are. You know legitimate. Do some nifty olds class. I tossed kids says onset does okay so it means twenty one in french as gareth said and it was the precursor of american blackjack. So she's the first female gambler in san francisco a dealer and probably gambler known allowed ladies up until they gave me an america's strictly male sure yeah and rightfully so yes amman. What would happen then. Have bitter hands for card. that's right. They were white. Men were built to perfection down. And if you look around the model exists still no women. Don't they can hope their hands can only do this truly. Yeah that's true. That's right writer. Michael lapointe quote women who played games of chance were said to be dissipating there for tilleke. What's and not not medically right. He doesn't mean like medical. i think he means that. They're they're looking less unattractive to society and wasting their time playing cards rank be making a baby has yes seriously. That's your job and even we're trying to figure out how women can have litters. We're in the lab daily so much more efficient for us and even when they were allowed to play the amount they could wager with strictly curtailed. So right so. They were on a limit. You've had enough just not a weather french so stayed cool at the card table when gambling and she made a small fortune so when she was gambling made a fortune and she worked as a dealer at the same time by then. No one knows why she left town. Okay so she just leave san francisco rumors. Of course people thought she'd been accused of cheating and she'd been kicked out either way. She goes to nevada city which is in california now. You knew that absolutely makes sense to do that too. It's not confusing. When virtual into town people thought she was a sex worker. Okay well number one. She's french right. She's hot right so the medicine the metal cartoons and there is are bugging their biting their poems who well not all the men because she's glamorous and hot and she's wandering around the town for a few days just looking stores and she's just getting feel land and they're like houses lady walking around alone a third day she's been walking what you're doing a miner's wife quote there's got to be some bad in a girl with all her charms who seems to have nothing to do but strut up and down main street fisher in other words. Hey there's a fucking hot lady walking around and everyone's checking her out. That's a problem. that's a problem. So after she's the town looking empty stores and stuff dumont had a handling pretty woman. I've never seen it. This will just so you know. This is the part where she goes into. The store and the woman won't help her because she doesn't like the look of her. Yeah but don't worry dave she's going to have a full makeover later in your story that you've written up she's gonna come back to the store and after she spent a ton of money on other clothes and she's gonna come in and she's gonna have these bags of clothes. You don't need a right now. I've got you could interact with me. And she's got these bags of clothes and she'll go in there and she's just gonna go. Excuse me you as a woman who Worked his yesterday. When i came in the needed help. And she'll go yes she goes. You work on commission rights. And she'll go yeah she'll be mistake. Big fuck you. And then she'll walk out and lovely had on. I like it okay. That's not the story. So what she does you put some handbills printed up advertising her quote. Finally furnished and carpeted gambling saloon for only well behaved in well-groomed gentlemen. Okay great so. People are getting invitations. Daycare people are getting invitations to the opening. their says he's gonna be free champ. Pay is hand inviting the well-groomed well. She's putting up signs around saying you come well-groomed or you don't get in basically loved that there's a grooming balancer. Yeah this man was snippy balls do pits. I don't wanna work here anymore. So it's going to be free. Champagne gashed into leers. Fancy joint shirt. It was named event Even though she was a lady blackjack dealer. She only allowed men to play right and cursing was very discouraged. No swear dress. Nice swearing very strange. She said it was so weird like well. She's you'll see so she she says it's the best gambling establishment northern california and so it stands out because she's running with this lady like sorta grace never been seen in the market. It's never been seen the mining world. Like what the fuck is this. Yeah she's witty. she's charming. She's animated chatting at the dudes Now nevada city demographics are different. San francisco eighteen fifty. Four men made up the vast majority of the population in nevada city author raff author ralph man quote. The men were young over sixty percent. Where the ages of twenty thirty and an additional thirty percent between thirty and forty and about three men out of one hundred had their families with. Oh wow so. It's a lot of single it's alaska. It's a lot of single bro. Wow yeah okay dicey sir. So it's quite market so being on tashaun good-looking all these dues are like holy shit and love. Yeah so that's how she's getting guys in then to get in there. They want to impress her. They all and dress the best man. She quickly got a lot bachelorette. She got a lot of marriage proposals. Yeah and she passed on. He's here for you. Hey okay yes elo a yes. Excuse me january to go to a thank for coming tonight to tell. Okay excuse i there. Okay all right. I should say okay. I'm done okay. Oh my god oh fuck nice place guy. No back tomorrow off. She managed it out in salt any of them while she turned down the marriage. Proposals author duncan aikman quote. She stayed in rotel just in a slightly flamboyant manner and locking her bedroom door each night. Like a lady. So she's not she's not fucking around like out fucking bros. is what he's saying enjoying herself raton. She's going home alone. So i'm not a historian. Think she was in love with the editor of the nevada journal. And it sounds like he came to her at night for booty calls okay and then after a while. He crushed her when he married a more socially acceptable lady because she still runs a gambling joint and besides van and There was poker and chuck a luck. Chuck chuck is dice chocolate. It's john it's chocolate is a dice game and there's a cage and you crank the cage and the desert thrown around and then whatever whatever they land on the cage craps. Yeah okay whatever. They land now. Whatever you had to them perfectly the three eight you to get your two guests the dice as horrible terrible. That'd be the worst game. Ever dumont prefer pharaoh which is game from france. Now unlike most gambling joints dumont was very against violence and debauchery. Okay because other gambling again. I'll kill him punch and swear to botch She was always emphasizing. How refined she was and that replaced. Didn't rip you off. She banked heavily on customers being reluctant to act up in front of her because she's hot and write a nice lady. I wonder if like if you were one of the few married people. If you had any shot going there because your wife would be like it'd be like it's you probably would have to go to another gambling place where you could like you know because it would just be a hard sell because there's dudes like there's got you go there and you wait to gamble at her table. Oh wow that's ridiculous. You're just sitting there waiting on time and the place where you could stink and swear but then you're next to the lady and there's no lady. Yeah but it's it's i mean but it's like it's one of those situations where it's like. I'm listen i'm just gonna. I'll i'll go somewhere. I'm one hundred percent but yeah. I wonder like yeah. It's just. I don't know. I'm curious what what was the deal with if you were married. Which i mean would dudes do just cheated on their website a lot right or is that not or were they more. I don't it like today where it's just standard would imagine it's the same okay interesting So around this time so crowds packed her places packed shirt so around this time. They socially distancing no one really now. We're still going to those places around this time. She got a nickname one that anyone would say to her face. That's always good. She had a noticeable little bit hair on her upper lip. Oh no a hair now and some guy one day her mme mustache and it stuck. No one's going to say to her face it back right she. She doesn't embrace the stash. She's like lightens it or whatever right so she raised lean in so she. She expands builds up the place. brings in professional man to help out in the in the joint. Sure she brought a gamblers who she paid to play with customers. Who are waiting to play with her right. That's smart so get money while they're sitting around. Yeah right right yeah. One of them. David tobin worked his way up and became her second in command. Okay now they lived upstairs rooms right next to each other. Hey and some people thought they were a couple okay. He's good looking to sure. And as time goes by tubman kept asking for and getting larger and larger share the business. Okay so you said. The insinuation is giving the business that she's she. Yeah they're both getting the business but he finally asked for too much okay and she was like fuck off quote in here discussion on evening. She informed him that she didn't need a man. She had gotten along fine prior to his assistance and would do so again. The partners went their separate ways. They were fucking happy so they split up and townsfolk said tobin wanted to take over the business and just have her as a figurehead making a lot less money than him. That's how it seems so. She was like no i. Don't actually trump brand. Yeah hey what. If now that you've done business thing. I just come in and take over because you know you did pretty good as a lady. But i'll be totally honest with you. I think it's time for me to take it as far as you can. Let me fuck this up little experience hand over your precious. How are you going to ruin your business. Seems like you're on a good track just dumb shit. So at the time there was an economic downturn happening so gambling was going down and then after this happened with tobin and she just bailed she's done so dumont leaves and starts hitting up different mining camps. Now okay so so. Things started going downhill about a city because the minds drying up. And then this guy's coming on the business and and she sees the writing on the wall. Which is this minds going to start to end. So there's mining camps popping up like. Oh there's a mining town will start to build around it okay. She's okay and so it's a mining camp meaning like a lot of it's not buildings they've just got like the restaurants attent stores attempt right. So that's what she's starts going to. She's going to differ mining camps. And she put on a full show but she finds out the miners. That's annoying okay. And at worst it put her in danger so she she's great she really she finds. I got middle ground now. Mining camps are rough shirt very fucking rough people constantly on the move the attracted aggressive man looking for tons of cash. Sure the best kind of man right. And they didn't worry about their accommodations historian. Ralph estes quote frame shanties pitch together as if by accident. Tens of canvas of blankets of brush of potato sacks and old shirts with empty whiskey barrels chimneys. What what let the fuckers making a cold. You got a fire i i. I would imagine you'd make a fire. I don't imagine you turn a barrel into a gym. A potato sack and not be on your priority william. I'm i'll use this shirt as a pillow now for the interior heating area. Our we get that filtration. You stitching of potato sacks drape and then you put it you put a whiskey barrel the middle for your father that i think we're not being fair to real chimneys. I doubt any fire. Fires probably not get firefight. Make a whiskey jim. Nate okay. there's more. Smokey hovels of mud and stone coyote holes in the mountainside forcibly seized and held by men. Wait i'm sorry. I'm gonna need you too much. Like a coyote dig a little deeper dudes. Would they would find a coyote fucking hole that good cody's dug a den and the dudes would take it from the coyotes. They're living place and can't couldn't get a woman in like having the balls to take over coyotes home. I mean a community has moved just me. So that's my house. where do you live. I live where upward coyotes was. Oh you can break there is. I can't see your house. It's not a house. Do you see that barrel. That's on fire all those shirts. Yeah that's home. It's a chi-. I share it with two coyotes. Last come up their my penis like you should come home and check out my penis and my out here. Thank you and i have a budget shirts. Let me ask you this i do. I don't have any. But i have a barrel. The used to have it in there. That i used for fire. It'd be great to get you up there. You could see my payments. I don't come out there. We'll go up there with a coyote jar. I'm uncomfortable and do you have any whisky. No we should get some. I don't want any go up up apple play out a bunch of shirts for his and yeah drink the whiskey late rally check painters. That'd be great okay. Yeah you talked me into. It'd grates on at first but two day hike again there and It is not easy to be fair to you okay. I'll show my leg work great. So could maybe care for so of it. Then we'll get up there and then clean up when we're up there not too much just a little. I'll get the dirt up to see you could see it. Well there's other men here. Yeah a lot of good ones to go over there. Drinks zone piss. Here's a bunch of winners man. There's so many good ones where you come. That's our but i'm going to go up there. If everyone see up there you find me goodbye. Yeah you smell me. When i'm up there basically to Yeah but there's a much that carries that's how come i'm able to live with animals. Okay i have to go. I have to go to. I go all the way up there. Goodbye does okay. Yeah i she's a lady there. Whoa there's more. No pits and shafts was smoking issue. In my favorite board game smoke issue from every crevice what pittsburgh san again pits and shafts with smoke issuing from every crevice off living on a battlefield. It's just like any hall with this. Excuse better that's whole sorry two things hold on. We're gonna start a fire. Everybody a lot of us have been shitting in people's living in their shitting hose. She clearly marked by shit. Piles of goods and rubbish on cranky points in the hollows on got any rubbish or steph. Put it on cracking points in the mud in the snow everywhere scattered broadcast intel milk vision. Now when i read this. I just think of a native american just walking on this going. What the fuck. This is the plan who brought the awful fucking things this is. I mean they are like wow white people for the chosen. Grace really know how to do shit. This is not going to work for them. We made a home out of shirts and dirt. I brought a smallpox collective and so now there's a fancy lady amongst all this how. What an honor. Minors really enjoyed gambling. And the can't ladder. They're gambling with existence. Clearly there yet so the basically a ladder to start like a successful road business like she can move around. Set up shop share. She should be moving around. I'd say she pass through places like helena. Montana silver city idaho eureka virginia city nevada and then when the goal dried up shoot. Follow minors. the next camp okay. So dumas made this little show thing. She's did gambling says gambling. Show gambling mainly game where she gambling just then like she has hurt she met scattered great. Wow this place really open. You haven't even got no coyotes in. We decided not to do a whole o- out very interesting. That's a great decision. Because we live with the coyote. He's way up there and keep trying to get somebody to come up there to see my penis. I was going to do that. Yeah you you see more like you're living live of like a worm year very much worm bad. It's very worm me. We're human especially because i'm breathing through my skin. Mainly gotta go yeah. I'm a painter skin. Volunteers can i put a flyer up here that anyone may nor woman to come and check my pain how you cannot okay. So demaim church. Things did not get in the way of making money when she was in fort. Benton a steamboat full of smallpox victims. Wanted to dock this booker's up so garrett smallpox wanna get off for a little while and rome. Is that cool to do that. In this area no they really want to stretch their legs and a lot of their not doing well. Some pretty good with no. That's no that's like a desperate dancehall will allow small people to dance. Really walk around i. It's a deadly disease. Believe me i know. I have it. So it's horrible. Could you step back a little ways like a dance. Like chat chat chat wait for job so her customers. Are you know there are a lot of guys. Drink a lot and smoke a lot and so they're susceptible to smallpox somewhat argue. It would be great for them to have a better existence. So demont grab your gun and went to talk to the captain and the captain broke down. What happened quote. You get the hell outta here with that boat. She said and you do it pronto. I ain't gonna let no smallpox spoiled my business and so he steamed off. I like the steaming off to that. Sounds like a running Yeah well that's great and probably right. I mean he was probably having a lot of trouble docking. He was like like to every doctor. Sorta like great cool. I'm trying to think of. I left anything out. So it's like sixty passengers. They're highly motivated. Gamblers yeah gender. Split pretty much all right. Yeah food and everything here. You got food to starving. Yeah everyone has smallpox and a lot of or a longer trip sofgen us some short trip honestly so if we wash clothes said before the ownership said they have have legs. They need to stretch. They're hungry they're motivated highly motivated smallpox tight. Small is not their tiny tiny tiny pox. Baby pox just take the ship down. Well i just out of the okay. Great yeah they said no again. I don't know what's going on you like this is gonna suck putih. weekly record. Wrote about her when she passed through. Time seems to make no change in this little old french lady and she looked as pleasant and smiling as when we she does her game for years ago. So she's she's not old now. Now i i just like But the more difficult surroundings started to take a toll on her looks. so she's she's she's. The quality looks as part of her charm to the gentlemen of the era. Yeah but you know mining camps shirt and her lifestyle. It's taken you know it's your finances. So yes and her finance was high. Oti people enter finances in our moral code Shoes traveled alone. She didn't let her flirting at gambling. Tables and temporary good times lead to like any serious relationship. She's not getting any relationships. Sure writer jan michael collins. She quote found men cumbersome as a whole and preferred to keep her prophets for herself. And yeah waterside on this one. My mother my mother's even though she was worn down a bit her charm still work. Does she still had that sure. The miners still flock to her collins. Quote every minor in the camp babb before her shrine in humble and respectful at a ratio. This is done i. This is creepy. That is what i mean you know if you get. Their men are so susceptible to doing shit like that where they're like we will like that. That's another system that makes sense to men. She's a cooly. It's like fucking balanced human. You know what she no longer works for us. We love for firstly to grow the jill. She doesn't like it would mean so. She's a charge of all of us that we never none of this matter fact jeff smart fat without smer fat so yeah every minor in the camp bowed before shrine and humble and respectful adoration and lost his golden ecstasy editor table for the chance of one personal fleeting glance from her eyes or one word from her lips. It's crazy she's it's this simple. She's fucking hot and they're they're and they're just like in the middle of fuck. Are there any other women there. There's almost no way she's she's a attractive woman in this meant starved for attention. And since there's been like this hierarchy created there. I mean she's a celebrity. She's like yeah. Yes it's like if a third was in the room right now. you know we'd be. We'd change the vibe. So there were many stories of her breaking up fights and solving arguments in the town. She stopped while in boise city. All the gambling joints were robbed by a gang of car. Cheats so these guys came through all at once and just sure. And that's another mining camp basically. Yeah pretty easy to break into that volt on the barrel dumont raise thousand dollars which is thirty two thousand today. Okay in twenty four hours to get her business up and going again as their competitors trying to recover because of course she's she's the lady and she's like hey fellas can get. She did a telephone. She's the smartest businesswoman rolling right now because she gets like i i get out dudes. Were simply there really. Yeah one night. She was walking home when two drunks tried to robber. They told her they would take her purse ago. We're gonna take. I always feel good. Good robbers give you the houston to work very much very much like the bad guy to bond would be like you understand mr bond again this one by one by one. I will take your purse that we're going to go through it and then if you give a shit we're gonna hit you. So what did you. Where'd you go dude She calmly told them quote. No you'll not. We have one second. Please go ahead hayes with fuck. She did what did you just say. No do not understand. She's lady she's not legally not allowed to do. That's right three deal. She's fucking crazy so just so. Yeah it's i've never had this before. So how did she even know if they're here's what we'll do when we go. I'll go back to her. She's right buying and when when returned around. Yup i will say her. Yes you will. That's a pretty. Yeah mentioned raise. You know what she made a mistake. She pushes back again. I'll ask for another minute to have a conversation and we'll say hey look we're dudes you're good. I'll say that's great. I'll go yes you are and then you go. Were was due you and you're not doing. Yeah well i think keep it short just the line i think is. We're dudes can were do shit. I got that right right before that. Yes you will turn around. Hey she's so one of the guys that a gun and said give up the personnels okay and then reached under skirt but instead of pulling out the purse pulled out her derringer she killed one and the other ran away. Now it's over now it's over now nobody can never do anything to fuck there again shooter. By the way the one guy was like. But i want to see where this is going now daddy. She's not big on shit now when she was working at rocky thomas's dancehall virginia city montana. Spot him actually. They're not think january. Oh yeah it's a good. That's a yeah. A customer got a little bit too familiar collins quote what a hapless banded laid his hand upon the beautiful naked shoulder disclosed by her low cut bodice. Sure madam stabbed him in the throat with a long stiletto rose and pointing disdainfully at the thing. I'll put on. The floor said to an attendant. Remove that carcass. Wait sorry. I mean it's a lot. So she stands with what not with a he'll he'll she takes fucking heal and puts it through a the neck and then as i get that body out of here because like your mom get him out right fight. Wow say it's over. I would hope that guys. Don't listen to what she says. What's now around this time. She's getting older right okay and she starts leaning into the mustache a little bit. I you alluded to this earlier. Leading into the mustache in. Sf nevada city. She had done. She'd been diminishing it right. Sure but now on the road after awhile starts letting it grow into its full glory. I'm going to have a not only. Will i have one. I'll have the bushiest. One of the group respect her and it's not like she's letting yourself go. She still dressing great wearing philly frogs. But it's just dismiss that. She's traveling luxury. She's always been traveling. A luxury sure She carts around or ships for fancy gear to her next place for future setups. Sometimes she would go through this all and then expensive pay for it and then find out. The new location doesn't have customers to cover the cost of going there. And she likes to gamble so sometimes she'd lose all over money so she started her fortune starting to fade and as as the mustache stops. Fading morcha begins its As as she pass reminding reminding cam she starts drinking. More would be expected share back when she was in about a city. She only drank champagne or wine because the miners all drinking whiskey in and she's a step ahead great. That's why i drink it to. Yes but her new hard life leads to drink the hard stuff on boy which made her make mistakes. She was gambling her got worse. Yeah she's probably still let doing a lot of people let like five guys night so that's not helping the business sure but she can still bring it. What you needed to. Virginia city nevada. She went and set up shop and one night she beat a famous prospector. Poker okay quotes. Several of the prospectors friends intent on getting the miners money. Back that had he had lost started after she slowly backed up against one of the walls in the hall. Started kidding the rowdy crowd kidding joking okay. Sure other other patients who had known eleanor. For years we're witnessed to the ruckus told the gene city newspaper reporters that are again sparked and there was a flash in. Her is okay so seeing her. I spark she. I saw little raccoon. Come out so our asp art and then there was a flash and i can tell she's thinking shit and i stood abolish charity. Shows back yeah. Yeah that's our lady's back ties. A nurse cylinder just started fair so it was like when when cornered the old smart right data do. Hello say conman conman type. But it's not that it's some every kick whatever she had that. Could you know things and in nineteen sixty four. She's had up shop in montana. Montana love it. If you would call it montana montana. Thank you quote. She had descended so much. That mme dumont of nevada city days would have scorned with dignified. Brushes so she's what she used to talk shit about right. She was now running brothels to she had sex workers in the rooms above her gambling hall. This way of someone one. She could still get money. I mean okay. That makes sense. Makes sense makes dollars to after a summer nevada traveling to camps of workers building the union pacific railroad. So she's not. She's partially responsible for the railroad. So but she's like she's she. It's gone down from rolling into a place where they're digging gold out of the ground and giving it to her to now she's just like to workers. Who are i mean. These guys don't have a lot of money to fucking workers on a railroad. So she's she's trying to squeeze money out of guys who have no money right like that's because it's less. It's less of a longterm strategy today today. Yeah it's david day. The methy rumors started that she had bought a farm and then it was learned. She had a new husband. Jack mcknight jackman nights that he was a cattle buyer. She very taken by him. That wouldn't be. I turned out to be a comment on farmers. Only it sounds like yeah. They comment he'd been spending for years and he took her. He sold her land and left. Oh wow dammit. That's a rough one. That's tough because as a retirement plan some historians say. She confessed to killing him later in life. But there's no record of that. I love. I love the later in life. Confession i would. It would be easier whole life to be like. I did kill that person but then eventually just by the way i did it every every person before they die should have to write out a confession of all the shit they did. That's very true. It's just unsealed. Yeah and then you die. Everyone gets that you did that right but was a fucking murder. Why no life so much more. Not there anymore. Yeah i agree. I also just think of all the fun stuff to make up. There's treasure i would send people in a treasure. No questions has you've got to find it before the clock since do that's a family. I've been competing with my whole life. Five this treasure look. there's no regular. Just kill them but she did publicly vowed to kill her accident. She found him. So what i confess. She fell into a relationship with a guy named mckearney mckearney. They ran a gambling house together in montana. Montana montana now another guy mcfarland wanted to take mcq harney's place okay. Sure the ultimate switch switch mac in the mic one night mcfarland got really drunk. Sure in came to their joint most nights and shot mckearney. Okay and killed okay. Well there we go now even though mckearney at-bat a good business partner and her boyfriend. She didn't protest issues. Like this one that you fired him yeah she just remove his body. And here's what. I like sexually. And then she bailed mcfarland out my god. Let him take over the gambling joints your the alpha normally. Somebody gets punished really well. She saw it. She's like this. Like silverback gapes right now and then but then she left. She's like fuck all she's probably just like he can have it fuck the and she i think she leaves it like he's gonna run it and send her proceed of or whatever budgen he ended up just running into the ground great And there's nothing you can do about it at that point. She probably felt like. I can't do anything about the. He just killed my business partner. Yeah yeah so she's not. She's not down the ages. She opened a two-storey placing eureka nevada. There she was known for being gracious wearing a giant gold broach and sporting a mustache. Okay so it's she's found the look she's just full in on the most right down. I mean i yeah. What are you gonna do leave in. You gotta fuck moustache are you gonna do. I love if you're if you're a woman and you don't wanna mustache you. If you shave it it just comes back. Could more thank. You can diet. But who knows what she was doing before. I don't know if they did that. Maybe they'd be yeah back then. Who knows yeah. Imagine they whatever she's just a very waxy based people back then. Yeah we lax for many things. And maybe she's just like yeah like my mustache. You like me. yeah So she moves to deadwood. Oh jesus christ hoping to make some money off of the minors and stuff and now as a real drinking problem really drink harsher. I would say that. It seems like the mustache drinking problem and a little bit as an owner of a mustache. I'm not gonna lie doesn't help it. Seems like all this deterioration his little associated drinking issue so her. Gambling scholars are noticeably deteriorates. She's out of money. Seems like a terrier quite a bit and there looks faded. A bit as she's age. She's filled out a bed as people do and they get older mess. Mustaches clearly darkened but she tries to keep his parents as best she could. But it's a hard life and it's showing okay. Collins caught as time went on and our wealth dissipated she began making up her face and war only cheap tinsel jewelry and as her beauty winners. I'm new year's the person and as our beauty went it was harder to charm the crassness out of the minors. Now he's Cursing around her and they would keep their hats on and they'd tell dirty jokes in front of her so as as she is physically changing. And it's it's such a. Yeah it's such a fucked up like they were super well behaved when she was a hot lady. And now and now as she's noticeably going downhill the what about the go fucks dream scares me putting you know. Basically want us now Over the years her establishments were more and more second rate okay. she's no longer unexciting novelty because more and more women are coming into the mining came right so she spent. She's sees the g. though so she likes the foundation but she's losing her value. Yeah right as far as like supply demand. Yeah yeah rat. Basic thing of like hot lady in the camp is now a thing. Yeah it's sad. She only lasted in deadwood a few months and then she moved the mining town of bodey. California okay may now buddy california is i think people generally say the worst western city in america ever awesome. It's is that what the scientists. Dr tweet go here. There's like a famous saying we're in boaty read sooner to show there. It's coming near mono lake. It's dead now just a ghost town but you can go there and check it out but there there was a thing of like a family had to move there and the kid was like I i'm in body. I'd rather be at held a six year old wrote that like some. Yeah yeah i know. I got the koran. How he's writing bodey so it might have been the crazies townhall while it was in its refuge for the worst of the worst. Okay i get it day. Listenership at bodies dropped from aikman described in the late eighteen. Seventy s townspeople quote still strong enough in muscle wits and drinking capacity to raise hell. They raised the fervor of old graduates with the snorting. Pride of finished competence. This self conscious determination to make the most of a last license indulgence until the announcement. I'm a man. I'm a bad man. From bodey became the stock witticism of main street rakes and professional parlor cut ups. So if you say you're a fucking astle from buddy people are like okay. That's the guys that's right. Yeah you good. Are hells angels mongrel right. So she takes the buddy right off. The bat fits right in collins. She flourished at the magnolia saloon for over a year throughout the summer of eighteen. Seventy nine hundred dolly stash. But then after year things started to take a turn and became too hard even for dumont personally and financially she. She drank way too much okay. She made bad bets. She lost another fortune and then on september eight. Nine hundred seventy nine hundred dollars from a friend because she didn't have any more money for pharaoh game and she lost it within a few hours and then rose from the table and wandered outside. The next day or body was found resting on a stone a mile outside of the next town next to a bottle of claret wine with morphine mixed into it. Oh she let the note that gave details about what to do with her remaining effects and that she was quote tired of life she was forty nine or fifty years. Hey that is not what. I was picturing right. It's but victory seventy three but he had been. It's the hardest fucking lung. Yeah also morphine. Unwind sounds like a good stones album also a great way to just go morphine in mind. Yeah yeah nice relaxed. I would say that's a nice. She takes us last lhasa. Rosa death israel the suicide the people buddy arranged and paid for funeral. The bridgeport crossover is the bridgeport. Chronicle union quote it is said that of the hundreds of funerals held in the mining camp. That of madame moustache was the largest the damn mustache. The gamblers the place buried her with all honors and carriages were brought from carson city nevada. Distance one hundred twenty miles especially to be used in the funeral cortege. Wow wow she Yeah okay so i wanna thank melanie griffin for the research Sources dunkin aikman Six madame moustache and some gaming ladies agenda michael collins. Good time girl of california of red light. History of golden state There's some other ones ralph. Estes aces and eights poker in the old wild west. Michael appoint dice roll. Madame moustache Madame moustache should we he oc- weekly But but then there's ralph man frontier opportunity and the new social history And there's other ones good check him out that's crazy that say Yeah it's such a. It's interesting to see like how a woman could penetrate the male hierarchy really that it should be complicated but you would just think that more people would be able to hack the brains of these fucking monkeys well but i also think because of the way society was and the way like sure there were sex workers out there but This society would you would have to be able to handle being frowned upon people. just jesus christ. She's out there with the fuck minors right but she was like no. This is the best of make money and have a good time. Well it's almost like she had a podcast audience. She was like she just had a demo. And she's like yeah fucking judge or whatever but these are my people yeah you know and it works and a lot of that. I bet you a lot of like while people well. It was uncooked. Probably to to be like that. There are probably a lot of people who are jealous. We're just not sure that's such an easy gift. Easy just an easy way to like. If she'd stayed sober probably would have. Just you know she had the wasn't gonna fucking say she had the gift Oh she had the the french. The french thing going on so exotic right different sort of the flavor of the time sorta really beat a lot of odds like normally xs on her but she was just say fuck it and just was herself she shoe. Yeah yeah and then it's just so a lot of you reminds me a lot of you. Whatever happened the guy wanted to show everyone is peanuts. Do you have an update on him. At the end of the story he He became governor. That's awesome i. We're promised to get more jobs janitor and everyone today with my penis. It's three day i loved. Many of you are started out in either a badger hole or coyote whole. I don't even remember which animal thought up. i think it was a code because badger. Keep coming here honey. Badger don't give up to five for. I fought off one. Spacey's had sex for the other. And i don't know which is which both give me look up. Banged them but anyway. I'm amazing gumbiner. Forgotten about that for a minute then that whole bunny a all right all right well i write. Hope is happy. I'm happy thank you. Thank you for this.

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Gareth Reynolds (The Dollop Podcast)

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Gareth Reynolds (The Dollop Podcast)

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Thank you thanks for having me is when you get that blue check mark on twitter you start talking to is being like. Hey i'm a fan. And i am not as much of a creep as you. Someone without one of these things now. I think twitter and social media so stupid but yeah. That is one of the perks of the blue check. I'm like oh who mad alright separates a little bit from the riffraff. Yeah slightly you. Just people who are also fantastic to are not verified. And there's riffraff certified dude. Well the story of my blue check. Mark is one of irrevelant really privilege. My wife works at twitter. Oh wow and. I've been on twitter. Actively actively posting i've got like thirty eight thousand tweets since two thousand nine. Okay no blue checkmark. Never my wife got a job at twitter. And i literally bugged her boss without even asking her like yo. What about this. But that seems pretty much how it goes in a lotta ways get more like it was privilege. It wasn't like tonight. I need you to gobert. Instagram to retire for twitter stanford screen on instagram audit. Shadily by a guy who. Dm to me and was like. I'll get you boo checkmark for three fifty. And i was like all right. Me and van nuys did really. Yeah you might. You might have to link me up with this guy. Because i don't know what i have to do. This was like ten years ago. But yeah that's how i did He's totally going to be like. Yeah i don't do that anymore. I tried to email them for someone else. A year ago and i went into the void. Yeah but dude for real. The dollop is the only podcasts. That i listen to every single episode. Wow all right. I feel like that show has like slowly replaced the wrong history that i was taught in high school. That's how i feel like people a lot of times. We'll be like commenting on what they like about the show. And i'm like yeah. I'm in the same boat. I literally am like sitting there going like wait what you know like i hear it all for the first time too. It's just people hear me hear it. Yeah but there are. So i feel that too. I feel like you know. I always found it so like you know you here. You've heard over the years like people say things and i would hear like your indoctrinated and you know like what is that even and then you you do as the more you go through at the more you go my god like if this is calculated which it in some way has to be odds are so. It's crazy it's crazy. I mean there was no like the fact that white people white people just named shit they renamed shit they found nothing and they're just like the person who copier like road stuff or just like patent locate enshrining wind. Can i call it. Zach zach wine and that's others jake wine. I don't know if you've seen the jake wine. There is a wine called jake. And i'm always like this guy what's his deal. He's also like fever reputation washing of industrialists based on their monuments. Like you come to la and it's the getty museum you go. Oh they're left museum. That must be good a good man. We good like wow actually hang on lunatic. Yeah narcissist a real problem actually know and are over. Yeah i mean that is one of the things about the show that was also super striking was like you know i you know i like As far as politics goes you know. I do not really trust anyone in government but when trump was there i was like. This isn't an anomaly. And it's like no already you. You've had versions of all this stuff before it's because we don't learn about it that we really don't learn from well that w- that for me was kind of like sort of hang on. How did we get here. Yeah is part of what drove me to read a lot of things. Yeah from interesting. People who i found on twitter like you follow kevin crus- on twitter kevin gannon on twitter historians. And and then zach was like. Hey you should. You should listen to the show. It's about history but you know it's shit that you they don't put in the books. Yeah it's like my fourth grade teacher never like. Here's how firefighters began. yeah he's one of the episodes. We're after that was like matt. You need to listen to or like the way like they integrated cars into the street like people are just getting you know you just never think like wait. There was a time where people like wouldn't pay attention to cars. Yeah yeah when cars started like integrating cars into the street was impossible rules. There was no standards. I like what are you gonna do about it. We're gonna kill you. you know. Close to pilot to bump is. What do you want this. But there's there's so many of those. I mean there's just there are so many things where you just don't even like wearing pants. Just that could that's the was in pretty fine right. It's like oh god. Like wearing pants was not okay. Yeah women wearing pants. My god a lot of ankle there. Yeah watch us out. And so it's you know it's hard to figure out where you start a podcast from especially one. That's got hundreds and hundreds of episodes zach zach. Where do i started going to start at one. Yeah start one and work your way forward because you you and i and like three days later i was like he's out. I'm at thirty. Yeah because it's you start hearing these stories and and you dave do an excellent job of telling them and making them fun But you just go this it. Oh this is who we are. We are definitely this the cr- and should like seem so familiar. It's it's it's it goes on again and again and again and yeah i mean you know it it i mean look you know it has. It's so weird because the show in many ways is just it's just a few things naturally like the idea of the component of telling. His story is what it is but the idea that i know nothing about history and the idea. That davis sorta teach me and then the idea that i'm going in totally cold and all these. There's just a lot of elements that are just like a real time improv class. Yeah i mean. It's an really like it like that. You know i. I've been doing comedy in many variations for years. And like the my favorite thing to do would be to just be like bullshit with friends like that was always like and that you could do improv. But it really wasn't the same because there was an element of pretend they're and stuff like that and instead it's like we. Now have this this show. Where like dave. Just he's up this crazy shit. An is a guy who just loves like doing bits. Just can't really help myself. But but those first ones are so crazy like the shores hundred are really really really nuts like they are develops a little bit of a theme of you know us for stem but but evolves. It's like a living thing in her weird weird way but to what you're saying about like know these like thanksgiving is a thing that you just like you know thanksgiving is fucked but you still have. Thanks it's like after doing that. Episodes like man. I'd just like i don't think i literally like we gotta pull the plus. You know what i mean like. What the fuck. Why are we celebrate. Every individual aspect of this is horrible. Yeah no i mean. It's just i mean and you know there are certainly people who when they listen to the show that goes just like shit on white people a lot and it's like it feels okay to do that. It feels like for comedy. I'm a white guy. So i feel comfortable like going after white guys but then also like in the history they. I mean it's just been really damaging it's yeah and there's a lot of these white guys who are doing really bad thing alec. You're picking out the really good ones or even two good ones and shitting on them. I mean i remember the. I like the good ones. I'm like john brown like this are good but but so many. There's this one. I can't remember what is exactly but it's like very early on like it's a white dude trying to get some indigenous people to show him where like the iron is And the episode. Like as we're going through it. I'm like man. Just don't show this tube or the iron as like going man. I just hope and they just like seriously. They're doing pretty well. And then there's one do like wanna island one same kind of thing like don't give him your one thing. Yeah and then and then there's one guy who's like you know you're gone. Yeah just this morning. I mean. I listened to the most recent episode. Where as is a recurring theme. It's the kkk versus progressive organized workers. And oh guess which side the cops are on you know as it turns out concer awfully accidentally impartial to the kkk. And what year did that story. Or nineteen o. It's not yeah no sometimes. The years are galling. Sometimes i mean they genuinely i'll be like why did you say nine hundred fifty one that i listen to this morning. Which is the newest one ended in two thousand and sixteen. I stopped doing what. I thought we start. We started with fucking hoods on head twenty. Sixteen no yeah no it dude. I mean that. That's the thing is like i think when you think about how we are separated and kinda pitted against each other in the political environment that we're in it is because it's not going well like would they need to do that so that we don't fixate on the things and learn from the things When you actually do peel the onion even not that greatly you are astounded by what you see and really just so many fundamental changes that this country just needs to go through and you know. It's just unfortunate that we living had no matter. Who's this ship. You know the captain's always like i don't know if we can make it to the shore. Promise you taken somewhere yeah. Nobody's taken us anywhere. So you would think that we would be able to kind of coalesce around that are there's with your show like when you guys when you announce the dates in its eighteen hundred. Something it's usually going to be super ridiculous because it's going to be like the history of magnifying glass right hundred so you go. There's some distance. I'll feel bad at the end of it but i won't feel terrible. Nineteen five man. We haven't learned Yeah there's some to that high school fuck yeah two thousand twelve. I gotta tell me this before. We start get my bearings a little bit. I get some bourbon. Who came up with the idea for a show. Well dave dave came up with it. I mean you know. The idea is basic idea. He did the show where he just was reading the story kind of just himself and he kind of a writing them all himself. Yeah and he was just going through it and kind of reading what he'd written you know kind of processing it in real time a little bit And then i think he just found that people like this is crazy and and then so he had this idea of kind of rotating hosts. I'd been you know it. Just kind of the timing worked out really well where I sat in for another show that he had and then he had this. And he's like. I want you to be the first guest on the show and i okay so we sit down and we talk about the bundy's that the you know the bundy's who are Cliven bundy bundy and and we talk about That was it a little more current. Yeah i was aware of it. I knew what. I was aware of the situation. He was bringing up stuff. That i know obviously but but it went well and i think that we he and i just saw a very positive reaction early and so then i did the second one and then he was just like yeah. This just kind of works you know. and so. and that's sort of what i mean like. He plotted that part of it. But then it was like you know he probably thought that. Like i know some shit and instead i'm going. What do you mean benjamin. Franklin was a president. And he's got. This is like a new low. And and that that that component of my love for improv my holes as far as history goes kinda just played at the idea that there's some gamesmanship to i don't know anything and so you just remain this crazy thing. I don't know anything. And i'll just enjoy it. You know like definitely better half of the gig. I mean if you're talking about talking about work put friday. We just recorded one today. And i was trying to like he said it again. You know like i. Because i do all the work and i tried to do this thing where i'm like dude. You don't know how hard it is to come. You know but it like it's a little effect after a while. You just got to be like. Yeah you know. Life's unfair well. I think i'll go pick them up food on the road. It'll be like spaghetti all right. That's good yeah that's good like i occasionally race cars for fun. You know little ship boxcars for fun. And i'm pretty decent to driving them but i can't fix anything. You're not so i cook. I cook for the people that are like under the car. Broken whatever. And that's appreciate it. That's that's how you gotta. That's how i compensate domesticity that just kind of provides just the buffer to being like. Hey i understand my brain's little but how about some spaghetti feels good right at this point. You guys must have like crazy weird stories that gets submitted to you like oh you got to check this shit out. You gotta check this shit out or yell. Yeah in the beginning. Though was just dave digging into the depths of the internet for yeah i mean to some extent it it still is to some extent but you look historian like likasi fancy. He's trained to know. I mean i think he. I mean look i i think he you know he does recognize that he has a platform where he teaches a lot of people. History point six. So we're not. Yeah i six hundred hours a history historic. I think he does you know in the beginning was like no no history history a lot and so yeah i think the first episodes he was just doing. Dives i mean i i've as i've written some reverse ones and i will say from experience it's like the minimal experience i have. You know you're just you. It's annoying in a way because you'll start with this one thing and the more you'll kind of read the more you'll just kinda start to you know find these connections and then you'll find great stuff and you'll be like holy shit so now this thing is like i was doing this one about the noise. This guy who but domino's yeah domino's a guy in the eighties. I think who his last name was noida and he had some mental problems and so he thought though noida was talking him so he takes a domino's hostage. And so i'd read this. Oh yeah that'd be great little story so some reading about the noise and this thing and then there's just like a couple nods to like the guy who owns and i'm like okay and i like start looking around on him and then it's like the ten weirdest facts about him and i'm like well anyone who's got a list of meat on the bone here and he's just like this fundamental religious guy. Who did yeah. Many many interesting things among them towards the end built basically his own little like salt lake city. he like religious city. yes he'd been. Florida built this weird little city. And it's just crazy shit so But yeah i think a lot of it is that i mean he has people help them with research but i think for the most part feels like yes. The put a bit of a finishing touch on the stories. You know i mean you know. I've learned like i have like ruined people's days that i've learned in. You're like oh yeah like man. I had my. My parents wanted to take this train trip and they had fucking pullman cars an was like nah so recent. I know no. I've really been like. Hey guess fucking what about a lot of stuff really makes people not like you. I just bite my tongue. I let this like it's almost like you don't want to tell someone santa doesn't exist. It's not my job to take away from you. Someone else will go on. Go on your day meeting sure. Yeah jared fun. That actress food okay detect ball in virginia. Oh yeah yeah right. yeah Debutante that's the right. Yeah yes it is it taught is a little more indentation. i think. isn't it more like a feel like it's There's friction yeah like when you open the door and it goes to do it. Hold now it goes to tent tons. Yeah right but It it really It really does feel like i've got. I'm getting corrective history. Yeah go back and look at some history books and you go. Oh jesus is necessary. Man i mean you know. It's i remember when i watched the matrix and was like. Oh what a weird little movie you know really liked it great action and then like the older i get the more. I'm like man we. It's not the same but we are live. We live in this. You know deluded nonsense. Where we you know we believe in these things and and in many ways. I miss when i believed in the institution easier. Certainly sure. it's better. I mean your your your your life is less stressed and you actually are pulled out of the and they take the plug out of the back of your brain and you go. Holy shit were just stacked bodies. You're like fuck. I don't really have faith in so many of these things anymore. It's kinda scary. It's really gets scary. Not when i'm like here among peers. Or even when i'm like reading things or listening to your show when gets scary is when i go to visit like my parents and their friends And they're not like super right-wingers or or even more than occasional fox news viewers. But it's when they talk about it like it's an aberration as opposed to the result of many many systems or when they talk about stuff that's just like It's yeah it's normal. It's just kind of moving on housing on and and like. Oh well it's it's it's it's biden now so we don't have a guy who's who's brains actual jelly so so but but in nothing really dude actually does change writes. His brain seems fairly jealous to. I'll be honest. I mean i. It's it's like it's the level of jelly. I think lately. Look for sure less adderall. I mean we could use a little more. Those eyes have been opened since ninety nine. I can't remember last time. Joe biden saw something. That's why people like he doesn't have teleprompters. Joe reads from the inside of his eyelids. He has joe literally not opened his eyes. Which is words wes. Yeah threaten exactly. Yeah he's got the terminator i but you know. I think that is the thing. It's it's tough because i've always been associated in my political beliefs with the democrats and so i felt comfort in the democratic party for a good amount of my life. Yeah and then. Would this. When i when i sort of started to notice that it was all sort of the same and you start to take a step back. You know you you do. I like many people threads look different. But they're like they're they're dollars. Shit is like it's all the same. I mean we have owners like we just have to recognize that we're owned by companies and that the president is a play. It's like watching red and blue ink canola. Which one would you like on the check. Yeah right exactly. I mean so. It is also similar and You know the show in many ways does kind of have that baked into it as well. Because it's like you know no matter who's we are very annoyed with our political system. Both of us in no matter who is in charge and we see the future as very bleak no matter who is in charge. Oh and you know it's gonna take a lot of change and people. It's it's very hard to communicate to change minds on twitter. So eventually i just kind of for the most part twitter's reductionist and and i personally like the feeling of like when i have engaged the feeling of like uncontrollable rage versus the amount of space multiplied. By the how impossible it will be to change this person's my it's this one makes say should i can't do it through this thing you know. And it's the truth you can't quicksand a dune and like why even bother. There are some people who got there and fight the good fight and it's like it's look it's good to make points to people but you know we are so camped out now that you try to and then i just feel worse about myself. Yeah that's where i got. I eventually said this. I don't i don't there's not enough good feeling for me to try. So i stopped doing it politically entirely. People pretty much understand where i am on these issues and so i don't need just repeat myself over and over. Yeah but part of your show. So but i'm staying in my lane so to speak with cars. Yeah you know where where i'm at. Now is the danger of of the most valuable car company in the world. Selling people something and right so wink wink saying that. Your car is going to drive itself. But fucking ain't right and it's a it's a financial fraud and i don't want to say maybe i don't know but i mean sony's definitely should branson yeah astronaut. No you got delayed didn't he. Or did he go up eventually funding. Yeah i mean you know good for rich virginity up there. I can't believe that guy hasn't gotten sex yet. Weird same everything about how you don't fuck poets over some fucking marsh. You watch agreed tang you check it. He's going to be. I do to hang glide on the fucking moon or something. That'd be so great face. Public joe all the energy to make this giant company. Yeah never power fuel myself every day. Yeah yeah no. He went though they yeah. They're all going up there and hopefully one of them won't come back out and it would be a dream but it just that's that's where That's the hill. I die on. Because i ride my motorcycle on the street to and if you're putting this bullshit beta software that's not ready for primetime Yeah cars and letting people with influence think that they drive themselves. That's very very dangerous. Yeah i mean I i've certainly felt some trepidation about that world myself. Gee i'm sure. Yeah sketchy yeah. We have We have a an automation expert. Coming on the show next week to talk about just how shady it is but that's what other what other. What other things about the world. Can you never look at the fuck you same again. There's so much. I mean i i mean just like everything for the most part but you know the one that i that is a real bug up my ass lately. Is the california water situation so the california water situation is so terrible. And you know it's been terrible for so long like offers or fucked and we you know like we're the there's many water problems and we're only being asked to conserve energy and water and i. I'm very respectful of that. Ask and think that people should but when you look at the fact that eighty percent of the california water is controlled by one family whose main priority is not giving water to people but it is producing agriculture. That they profit. From in a cr- i mean you talk about like a water monopoly. A water monopoly exists for them to grow nuts and cuties and pistachio and cherries. And all these sort of luxury and the fact that while while i i think we probably should get rid of golf courses and shit the fact that we're not cutting this tree down for the fact that this is not the first place we're going live being someone who lives in california it does make me just go like what the fuck like there are these things that make me go. We will not be able to make it through these crises because of not not because of q or conspiracy because they the politicians they just don't they're not paid to give a fuck so they don't so gavin newsom who is an idiot or no sorry. Eddie is corrupt who's corrupted again versus. Caitlyn jenner. someone who is also extremely wealthy. So these two extremely wealthy people who are again being pitted at each other with these minutia differences. It's like how how about someone who's just like. Hey i'm going to go take down the resnick's and completely remove their rights. However i have to do it if you have no idea what we're talking about The resnick's linda and the fuck is our. I dunno whatever. Gase There the wonderful company pom wonderful and they own a bunch of different nut companies and fruit companies and they own the water the rights to get free water. They basic signed a crazy deal at the right. It's just was this conflation of events and you know nobody should fault this like i don't fault this guy for getting the best water deal ever but it's time to undo it and that is the same thing with like the billionaire class. We have where it's like like. I don't fault these guys for trying to win the video game money but it's time to stop that system. It's it just point if you're in the hundreds of billions it's they. We literally should be putting these guys in space but it should be our tax dollars being like get the fuck out like taking take a break. We're putting you on space timeouts betas. This is crazy. Get the fuck off earth for a year. Go think about what you've done. I watched i watched this like a week ago. This is a water. Yeah or california. Is national geographic. Documentary is really interesting. It's on netflix. it's coming. Maybe i watched it on a plane. I'm sure you can just look up to watch. It's great and it's fascinating and it just gives you all the information quickly to was. It was as does the episode. Have the same information. But yeah. Yeah it actually. Don't watch this shit. This lion this corporate bullshit dollop gives you the straight ahead of the dollop explained the family in the business and this would this help explain to me is how the public water rights were signed over to a private student and i feel like in that meeting because they didn't they weren't in the meeting but they're like at the end of this meeting. This was the deal and it's like that's a big detail. The words in the meeting. Or like i feel like the people that work in the private sector are just more smarter and play chess at a different level. Because they walk out of there going got the public aquifer and we can sell. It is real. It's crazy but i also think that most people like most people's minds don't go to like most of us are like wanna be nice. I feel like it's it's been veiled now by multiple issues in society and you know there's so much constriction on people's existences and stuff so it is. We are at a point where being selfish you know is not a bug. It's like how you kind of have to be in a way because you know there's just so much terrible shit going on that. If you have a family. I understand people being like. I'm just trying to worry about dan. Just get through this. Yeah but i think to some extent most people normally would want to be good and share. And you just have these evil motherfuckers. Who are just. They're just dick's and they just it's it's like we were sort of saying it's sort of like what we're saying with white dude's came here. It was like you know there were people here who are like. Oh you're gonna love the bounce house fruit and those trees and the white people i. What's it called the call. Name shit fucking mcdonalds and like that's just sort of how it so it's just this this impulse to make it yours or own. It is just like fucking fucked. The technocrats today are basically just a repetition of one hundred years ago with the van. The and it's not infrastructure now it's digital space it's data and it e-commerce and but it still. Is it still like the the you know. When i before really doing the pike cast like i thought of fdr as this transformative figure this like you know person who was And we've never done an episode but who was just like saw this system was i'm gonna fight for the little man you know and dave and i were doing something once i like election coverage or something and And i mentioned fdr. And he's like you know like fdr didn't do what fdr did because he was a good guy like fdr wa- wasn't like after input all these things in place and fight his peers and say like no. We are going to make sure that we do not end up with a system where we have this. Ultra rich in this ultra poor community. He didn't do because he was good. He did because he was like. They're gonna kill us like these people will fucking lose their minds. The end game here is not good. And so this is how you sort of reset it where we can still have. Capitalism thrive and we can still be fucking jerk off so we can still but -sition him differently than that. He's a positive much differently. But even the but the fact that joe biden was like going to be an fdr figure like he's not even he's not even today so you cannot have facebook. You cannot have amazon like you just can't coming for everything. It's going to eat everything amazon. We'll take over everything. Shopping malls all amazon. You might still be able to get your stuff but you're talking about allowing one company to be in charge of everything you just. This horrible saw a physical amazon store. Terrible i was like when a barnes and noble marina del rey now amazon. Oh boy this is. An when i was just in england and i was seeing the amazon. I'm just distributor right here right around the corner every morning every morning nine. Am about eighty trucks to the like ants. Marching to fucking pixar movie. yes crazy. no it's it's it's coming for everything so it's like you don't need to be republican democrat independent. You just need to be a human who wants to live in a good society to say this cannot keep going. You can't. I love the way that. Like and i'm just going off now but the way that like chris. Pratt is in this amazon movie. Like there's this amazon movie. That chris and i'm not trying to pick this dude. I'm sure he's a fine guy. Even though people at twitter is like go fuck yourself. But he's in. he's making a movie for amazon. So this is one of the marvel superheroes the group that fights the evil villains. Lex luther who is now working for lex luther in reality right and we don't have the where with all the kind of see through that and be like that's fucked up. Don't work for this asshole. Everyone stopped working for this perk. I mean if we one would stop this motherfucker. Well that's the other thing that that show says is like when you're at the show repeatedly demonstrates that collective action works yes. Unions are important collective action that you know and you know look. They're going to tell you like they're going to laugh at you and tell you that shit is not possible until it is and it's literally just like that until you until you show them that you are going to ruin their system. They will not play ball and the stuff. That's going on right now. And it's mainly biden about basically how they're trying to the way that they are now kind of reframing like domestic terrorism and the way that they're giving like the capitol police now like these military cameras like the military equipment has come home and is being used on us that's fucking terrifying. And that's that's happening at the capitol now. The people who fucked up the cap who were like adding seven forty guys on duty like those. Those people put those officers in harm's way now are being rewarded with like. Here's really like all amazing. Military police abuse of power. It's about a billion dollars in training and supplies like wait. What hey hey wait and making it so that you can't protest shit like the stuff. They're now doing that there. Are you know they're just they. They recognize that they have a public that january. Six is not gonna be an anomaly. The i mean. I know new york times isn't always the greatest arbiter of everything but they made a like a thirty five minute To events bro. Got in every fucking door. Yeah they got like. They had a three d. model and like breach points. It was like twelve breach point. It was it was crowned. They should rename it. Breach points and they you know. They followed various people around from early morning till like three. Pm they can here. He is and here. He is and it was a few different people. And they had fucking there was paramilitary. People moving in unison. Communicating armed crazy. Feel like if i was a lawyer for someone who likes turn the capital. I'd be like really easy like m. i. clydes defense like you made it so easy. Like what i mean. He shouldn't have been holding the gavel. He shouldn't have taken. The chair grabbed the chair. People there yeah so it was really crazy all that stuff defended yes and and so like it's you know man look it's becoming a really really fucked system and i'm very alarmed by it and you know what is great about our show is that we don't need burlington no. It's not the first time we don't talk about current events till the end for the you know what i mean. You're sitting there going holy. Fuck oh shit. Oh shit and then it's eventually at the end. It's kind of like this You know but it all relates back to capitalism or amazon. At this point you know it's all just adds a little too easy. It's almost like we don't do it anymore very much because they're like it's fucked That the when you say amazon. The another recent one was two or three episodes back curtis turner which is about a race car driver and I got a few really good chuckles in there. Because it's funny to hear people who know absolutely nothing about cars. Try to describe specific terms or words that they find for. Or like. When i like. They're like most subjects. I don't know a lot about. But i'll be improvising in that world and i'll i'll have so few terms to build you really turn the name humpty wheeler into You got to have fun. Well i mean the nascar driver. You know these southern guys pre one thousand nine hundred ninety named some crazy shit. Oh yeah dick trickle trickle. I i like i like grew up into dick trickle being like a name and then one day i was like well. Why is that a name. A great fucking name. sounds like committee. Sounds like a diagnosis. Yeah that sounds like a symptom. there's a I talked about this a lot on the show. There's a legendary dittrich video on youtube Back in the day they would waste with open face. Helmets ping pong. Problem and dick trickle. Had a pack of winstons cigarettes lighter installed in his nascar and they'd have a caution he smoke and so they cut to him on fucking television. And here's dick trickle Having a little smoke break here and third. that's the country. I want to live. Like i want to get back that i mean that is it's astounding. Watch like nfl coaches smoke. So they're on the side like come on get in they're still doing and he's gonna fuck y'all onstage i'll tell you Like i basically stopped smoking cigarettes and of ape because of stand up and just because it's like it's too much on my voice. I could not imagine smoking during shows. Clay to yes a lot of on white. Yeah riley leave. They really lean on their hands. Quote almost becomes like a prop for them that point. Attentional bradley visual. It's also so i miss. I miss smoking smoke for. I mean i smoked cigarettes on and off for. I mean like i started when i was like fourteen basically so i probably smoked for a cumulative probably around twenty issues. I had a number of years off in between but you run. I run at college like eighteen through two thousand sixteen. Yeah that was a run too. Yeah i miss teen years or so. The second set. Like i kind of wish. We had the armageddon deep impact moment. Where like someone is like. Hey there's a meteor you guys like two days. I would much rather that version than this slow. Burn that we're going to go through. Because then i would just be like i could sm- smoke jimmy this line and let's just yeah just whatever you know what i mean just like whatever just like literally personal tender just swiping everything right until like seven miles away. It's not gonna work this list hours. You're seven miles away to la traffic during a fucking armageddon carton half open. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Zach and i have Motorcycles for armageddon escape if we need the fuck outta villa is never going to learn that. We're not that good at camping. We're gonna learn that we don't survive in the. Yeah you guys got bring tents No but i actually. I read this book. Called emergency by neil strauss uh-huh and that's one of the things he eats he basically is in. I think it's for nine eleven years in la and he's like man. If this was not new york. I'd be fucked. And so he basically wrote a book on like what he would do to survive and one of them. We should get that machine somewhere. Besides amazon exactly and one of them by the way i tried to order through i order books like normally through like barnes and noble or like a small place. And i'll tell you the different experiences unreal. It's like i am not. I'm mike on week. Four barnes and noble like look. I don't need this robert mondavi book but like where do we have is on like. What's the angle here. Are we sure it's around. Assist the senate by horseback with horse law. Yeah yeah no everything. I read the book about huber. And like i don't want to give them my business. Now what am i supposed to do. Call the phone number. And i took a cab. I took i. I was so fucked the other day. That i took a cab i was like i i i go in crazy directions to try to not use uber. Every now and then there's you know like if i'm in another country or something totally fucked you have to but i do everything i can. Zuber took a cab. And i was like man. This is weird like call the cash i was. I believe on the way. I don't know maybe we'll see the cab thing where it was like in the background like i heard like other. We've got ten of course still doing the campaign every now. And then i'll tell you cafarelli 'cause the wait for and i reminded why i'd choose uber. Because they they. They still acting irritated. They still get mad. That i haven't give them all the money i've ever made in my life. It doesn't matter. How long are the ride is they. Just there's this added in. The car is just fucked up there there. It is in every way. It's kind of worse. But in a way i like the driver passenger situation so much better because it still keeps this like i'm working and you're chilling. They're not going to talk to you. They'll be on the phone. And i remember when i used to just be like it'd be like what's that loser actually just talking to my friend. Oh thank you. i'm. I'll watch this video and the family to catch up with over there. That's a there on the phone but to me. I'm like i like that better and i i'll talk to like lift drivers the time but i like that better than me. Lake required the quiet option. I feel fucking shitty. Doing i feel sauna option. It's like it's like money through this. I i i can't i can't i don't want my slave too tall. I can't get myself there. No slave can. I want my ac on and i want some gum. And if he talks it'll be his tongue have aggressive it with headphones. I mean that's the i've done that or i faced my mother. Sometimes you know i'll apologize. I i just don't want to talk the whole time. Yes that's what. I want that that it's like a roller coaster. Sometimes it just starts going. And i'll be nice and then i'm like. Oh i have twelve minutes and now we gotta carry. This would the i. I invite most drivers who picked me up for stand up shows and take. I invite them to show stan. Unless i'm like off of this guy you know the for the most. I'd say ninety percent and i tried to defer the what do i do conversation until at least the back end of the ride but then i can hit them with the. Oh yeah. I do stand up. Talk about it if it's interesting to them and then fall and then be like that's a good. I feel like. I've done a good job. And i haven't like i'm not tired for my show that night. I have made up job. Just in case i have one too. Yeah yeah i mean actually. It's not even that made up. I just say i parked cars. That's good cars. Yeah no one cares anymore. I used to work construction. So if i'm in a pinch i'll just say construction. What's your what's your club in l. a. what are you. Where do you like to work. You know here's what's great about me matt None of the clubs in l. a. Give a fuck about me. So i really don't go up much in l. a. i of the west side comedy theater in santa monica place. Where my buddy. Chris is It's his theater. And i'll go up there and i love that place And then i used to go to flappers a good amount. But i am on the road now normally like when performing on the road mainly and to me. I just kind of prefer that i mean. The podcast is great for road. Gigs right brings them out. Yeah for sure. Yeah and and i mean time wise. It's like the difference to me between doing you. Know eight minutes on a show with ten people or fifty minutes on a show with three people to me. I'm going to take the other. It is yep and it's easy to get to. I mean you know what once once. I'm there but you're flyer or driver. I try to drive. You have to fly for some of it. But i normally try to drive but rental cars are fucking crazy right now. The it's a terrible time to rent cars so we're with the dollar. We're going to go back out on the road and then in the fall. Yeah we're really focused on driving mainly gags and But yeah man. I car for that should allow. We're gonna what we will figure it out. Well we're not sure exactly what we're gonna do podcast in comedy. The two of you for roadshow we can car happen partner up with a With you giving to the right. Because they take we can take one to a local gig zach. They could probably know joke. Press cars if you. Yeah you actually. What you wanted was a car to take two gigs. Yeah and do that much promotion for you could almost guaranteed okay because it would not be. Sc we forget that all the time. That's the other thing. We are a lot of times. Just idiots you've got strong numbers you can you. Can you hear that toyota. The people who are not fucking around here in our world now has all the people who we expect. They could probably handle it. Not so sure. We can help you if that's what she wanted. Okay and couldn't make like an e thing because dave is. That's definitely what i was thinking. Yeah well we've we've driven view A couple of gigs and one time. We didn't estimate the mileage properly which is part of the problem of cars Even though i love my car that i do not have right now because of the battery but We were driving and we're going. Oh shit you go. We're not we're not. We're not gonna make the hotel. Like i forget where we're going to like sacramento or something. And so we're like we're not gonna make the tells you you have an app and you can find them. This is this is probably three years ago. So the apps better now is finding. The wattage of the charge was not helpful that So we're gonna fucking going and And we're low on miles you know so. We have a show that night. And so we're like where we we see. It's a it's a harley davidson place. We charge livewire. And it's and it's a charge for the bikes. Were right in front of it's like not there's not a lot going on i'll hustle and bustle so kind of like secretly like park car and like take the black church plug a car and and it worked but we were just like our. I'm going to take you know you're you're talking fifteen minutes and now you there for an hour and a hell yeah for sure. I mean. we're definitely better now. You can you can see. It's a different is a fifty. Five of superchargers are crazy. Yeah they're good and they're and the tycoon the porsche one and the the ford the machi which i have They can do up to three fifty a lot so they can really yeah. I'm sorry wait can machi three fifty or one monkey might be one. Fifty tycoon is tight. Yeah audi can do Three fifty real fast. No that's it is. I mean. I like it so much better. I my car like i said is in the shop right now. I haven't did it. Just i mean there are Issues with my car right now. Where they're they're being recalled because of battery issues but because they're the mileage won't go as far as originally was mine on the other hand. My battery just like completely stopped. Oh shit so like yeah. I started my car one day and it was like this electric car. Yeah i started one day. I couldn't put it in reverse. I couldn't put it in drive. And i was like this is going to be an issue. Yeah it's impossible to go places under warranty warranties. So i'm going to be all right all right cool. Yeah yeah that's unfortunate but at least they'll handle it. Yeah yeah. But i have a gas car right now and i'm like man. I do not miss this. No down local running around and stuff if you're not worried about the race and if i if i go to a gig hours and hours away i would rather do to two hours of charging versus you. Know what do you what do you like more about the and or the experience i well i first of all fucking fly. I mean those cars. Like truly. Like i'll be like all right cass. Porsche shall we you know like let's do this shit. I feel like those commercials. Yeah they're quick those cars and you have you can put it in a sport or what al. How many v. but if you go to sport you're like cars moving up some electrons. Yeah yeah getting rid of them And then i also drive like a total piece of shit because you're not making noise. You're not really worried about being an and no. It actually is bad for animals. Like deer and shitter. Just like there's nothing coming and then like what the hell angels but But yeah that's my car. Electric battery worldwide recall plus nine hundred million. Which again. I think how how they drew it up in the business plan. They go three. We do the nine hundred million dollar. Recall the oopsy clause. This is the where we're gonna lose by year three. You wanna really drive profits. I found in my business experience. But then i also like not getting gas. I like not using gas. I like not paying for gas. I like not being involved in gas stations in any way totally fair. Yeah yeah it is. It is a good system. If it works for your life it does and you know the truth is there are certainly times where it is there. There are inconveniences. And yeah i could be a lot easier but You wanna talk about inconveniences. Act tried to road trip a hydrogen car. La to san francisco and back. You know that's the thing out what happened. I spent a couple of extra nights on the road. You think you think it's hard to find malaysia. I was just going to say where are you like. You also know car hydrogen and just a little bit. There's one place in between los angeles research. what happened. Was this a dare minimal hostage map between la county and san francisco bay area. There's one place how You know the the place where it smells like. Oh my god shit valley valley hotel which is apparently where people vacation sometime. The scientist says you would smell it for too long circulate. Ac it's a good thing. Wow oh god that dry. That's yeah you remember test car. It wasn't it wasn't his car one station and it can run out with wrongly out right. It's out of I'm in a pile of poop. So i need you to help. Send the hydrogen tow truck. I don't know what we do here. So what happened. I had to literally get a hotel room until the next day. When the hydrogen delivery truck showed up at noon and then the dirty is it takes about twenty to thirty minutes for each car to fill with hydrogen. So i was thirty in line so the truck showed up about two miles on the road. It's just it's just. It seems like it's not ready for our fuel stop. That sounds great. That sounds great. Actually yeah maybe it could be perfect but And i saw there was in calabasas. There is a pump that was like offline in the warring on the was like due to high temperatures. This one shutdown. Don't everything. I shouldn't everything i read. Says it's going to get cooler so seems like we should lean into that technology man that that not only is it bad for everything and everyone getting warmer. But it's really bad for the owners of old cars. Yeah no air conditioning. Trajan hydrogen real problem. We really hedge bets on earth cooling hydrogen guys. There is cooling. I read this thing and this guy fox news. Scientists says it's actually. We're looking at an ice age. So i think i should go work out real good a lot yesterday so we go on. You guys have you. Seen delaware is white head. We don't need the patents. Let's move still skiing main ice cube in my refrigerator. Yes yes are stranded because there's only one hydrogen charge place at the. Us it is is not as mature infrastructure system. I i thought it was fine. Yeah i i'd i've i've been like fuck a couple times and just stay in random hotels and i'm like could be worse. Yeah at least it was good content. I got i got education from it and learning about hydrogen. Luckily my girlfriend's very cool and can work from home but the you know he he got all this knowledge from high about hydrogen was from the the guide the driver who came to refill this still. Here's everything you need to know about hydrogen. So it's time to have an important talk now that you're halfway through your road trip in the hydrogen in black and white. What is hydrogen ways. I'm going to take hydrogen business. Where the hydrogen produced. Now you've only got one of these on this drive. You need to get four five times. How long to fill up about twenty thirty minutes back live. Yeah exactly exactly yeah. It's it's bad but so so when the apocalypse la. What's your escape plan. Well i probably did. Just i mean i've hardly much like kinda resigned myself in this way that like it's common proudly soon and it's just gonna be what it is and we could some of us are going to fight it out for another. You know whatever time twenty. Enjoy that phase. Not going to be enjoyable. You know you probably be eating your friends and shit like that and again. If i'm around for that let's go. i'll eat my buddies and whatever. But if i die before that that's okay too like i. I don't really want the stress of being in the forest area. Yeah i don't. I don't want to get to that phase like i'm down to try like i'll definitely try to get to a river where i'm like eating like shell like for a stations that iran shouldn't drink this water with the parasites like i'm down to fight for that face but i'm not going to get like crazy about it so like when this shit it's the fan you know i'll take my sign pills and you know put on some tchaikovsky and whatever shoot heroin whatever i can do around. Yeah we're gonna steal yacht. That's our move waterworld so we're just going to stamps commemorating waterworld. You're like what the fuck is he talking about. I'm like i'm ready to drink my pistol. I'll have my buddy with gills. I'll drink by. We'll be living wildlife charge for peeing in that thing and by the way from the looks. That movie at chapstick doesn't make it to the future. I it's dirt cars now. Well on that mad max mad. Max is my second favorite post-apocalyptic future movie man is the lead ellison's gr- fucking with that timeline now. Well but we're not gonna i mean we're taco bell's not going to be fancy and We're not going to be. There's going to be this. You know what i mean. We're not gonna it's not gonna be like that taco bell would be my favorite Experimental kitchen to work in though oh had to work in a fast food. Kid el torito. That's that's another one okay. So there's like el torito's that i got familiar with you. Know it's like kind of middle of the road chain mexican food. But then in beverly hills. There's like the fancy el torito. Oh is it like the special items and stuff. I don't even really know. But i just know one time like my manager was like we'll go to el torito beverly hills and i sorta like yeah and i went in. And he's like this is like the nice out. And i was like this is like a nice restaurant. It's going to mcdonald's and you get there and it's like yeah they fucking shit. They still call that area where pigs eat the dining room. What the fuck. That is so unfair to dining rooms to call where you eat mcdonalds. A diet it's like there's like in the people's tables table room table room dining room beating you fries scarfing room yeah right. Yes pre vomiting human trough room. Yeah a anyway. That's the things are you into cars at all other than your electric art. I'm really not. I mean like i kind of said to you before we started. I i valeted cars from when i was probably like To nineteen or twenty tells probably about twenty three and ended up like a work this company for years and then i actually did start to give a shit about cars at least like about not abusing a car. That wasn't mine. But i was also not opposed like i'll take the long go the long way around but but no that was what i would sort of go like holy shit like when i i would be like. Oh okay so an like and notice things You know little things. But i for the most part. Don't know shit that's cool. Yeah we're not gonna force you into car talk now. Here's a few episodes car. Ish focused episodes of the dollop. Janet guthrie The racing driver female Indycar and nascar driver and The way people treated her made me that ruined the few people's reputations for me I can't ever look at. Aj fight the same way again. He was a real piece of shit to that woman. Yeah and You did you do dale one. I don't think we didn't know car. Yeah yeah there's a dale one which they they They turned in not they. They did the tv thing with lady in the deal. Yeah any other ones that you can think of that. I dare dare-devils but that's not car. Necessarily i mean that's evil knievel for sure. Yeah that one was. That was a fun one. Oh and then we did. One on john delorean. Oh yeah did you. Have you seen any of the john. Delorean documentaries with alec one. Yeah i was like I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be able to make it through. This is really weird isn't it. It's a weird. It is weird. It's weird because he he breaks. The fourth then turns into alec baldwin dressed as john delorean eyebrows. Just giving some things a movie or make documentary. They're like no we're going to smash into one unwatchable form movie documentary reenactment and bts together finally randomly. Yeah yeah exactly. Yeah but Yeah i will i will. I will take this episode To this opportunity to To recommend any lawn musk episode. Because it's yeah. I'm sure my i mean i. I never know what he's got like cooking obviously but I'm sure he's got some shit. I mean we're about to do five hundred. we're supposed. Yeah right. Yeah and he for every hundred. It's been something crazy. What was the what was what we four hundred was. Reagan rarely hundred trump bragan. Cheney fucking Jesus christ can and that one was wild. Yeah a lotta these are really really dianne. Feinstein one was wild god. She's the fucking worst. Oh my god the idea that we should have eight year olds in our government in any way is just like so far szekely beyond all you had to know about. That is what mark zuckerberg went in front of the senator's committee. Or whatever and everyone just read a question like written by like ace status family because that's to pick out a themm. Thank you mark me. My grad shod. He posted a comment. But i can't see it. Yeah mark zuckerberg went back to headquarters and we don't have to pay we're fine. We're fine where everybody bought it. Yeah we're let that. Russia rubles clear on the ruble's bringing now at i remember when ted stevens the senator from alaska. He used to wear a hulk tie. Two votes was on some web counselor internet. Whatever and he's up there and he goes. The internet is a series of two back and it was just like what the fuck. This dude like is like bill. And ted's what the internet after james with information but kicked cloud in the to your like who what is happening. How is this lau. You've into the bank where they have. The vacuum satirises the wifi password. That's right this. Is the wifi right here. Yeah like those commercials like today. We're gonna open a pdf those guys real reality. Yeah but we live in that shit. Yes i mean well again. I mean i am gladly as any of my friends will tell you i can always bring it back to how our political structure has failed sour. Any good time real quick. Yup and that's where we're gonna end it. Thanks gary thank you thank you. Thank you Gigs to promote anything. Besides just jerry. Yes since we've since Since who knows who's listening why don't we do it right out. Here we go. I will be at comedy on state and madison wisconsin. July twenty second through the twenty fifth. I will be at. cb live in phoenix. Arizona august fifth rally north carolina august. Sixth through the eighth. I will be at hyenas in dallas texas on the nineteenth of august the twentieth of august. I'll be in austin texas at the state theatre twenty-first houston in the rec room. Twenty six spokane comedy club of august and the twenty seventh. I'll be at the tacoma. Comedy club in tacoma washington. You can find all that gareth. Reynolds dot com. That is a road trip. That's awesome. I've been up for too long. Yes gigs. I had to go very nice. And you're thinner than your head shot. Yeah that's a lot of taking new pictures soon. And i'm worried i'm gonna do the opposite to myself. I'm worried that i'm going to get make yourself nice and then going get nice and road. Fat elvis is here maybe role on those photos for another six. Just in case i do believe me. I believe me like people like jerry. The pandemic privilege you lost weight. I was like i haven't had fries like back in comedy. Clubs look out. Yeah yeah. I did well the first half and not so well the secondhand. We've all i mean it'd be. Would it be thuc it. We're all going down. Yeah enjoy it. Listen to the dollop wherever you get your podcasts and you guys also do them live. You're going back to that at some point. Yeah we have Will be at the high plains comedy festival in denver on september sixteenth. I want us to live shows. So i went to a live show in l. a. We saw the pentagram pentagram Like the the drug company one The during the satanism fucking nuts all normal. Yeah so you can go to donald podcasts. Dot com we'll be announcing some Some of those soon but yeah. It's a very fun to do live. I mean i. We actually hadn't been doing it in person until last week and so like we just like. It's just so much better so doing over zoom. I mean it's okay. I listen to those but like it's just not the same. It's not. I didn't really notice how much it wasn't the same until we started doing together. I was like shit. This is fast virtual guests for a while. Just it's not it's harder young like okay. I didn't hear what he said between each person such a delay. Yeah yeah yeah. But i'm glad we can make it work. Thank you appreciate And i'm going to try and win win. There are gigs in la. I'm definitely gonna come check when we go all right. That's our show. We'll see you later. Have a great day bye.

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488 - Greensboro Klan vs Commies

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

1:32:02 hr | 3 months ago

488 - Greensboro Klan vs Commies

"You're listening to the dolor on the all. Things comedy network is a bilingual american history. Podcast or high heat streak. I dave anthony read a story from american history to my friend gareth reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about sitting next to me. Together really yeah. It's nice to feel where sitting there. It wasn't over zoo really really good. Yeah it's going to be hard to do that forever. Yeah eighty who's will be whoa. We're becoming the other vice versa. The that other one of those guys fountain found one the promise. Maybe the pledge ryan reynolds jason bateman when people switch bodies. It's one of my favorite. Oh my gosh freaky friday yes. It's freaky. There's an australian. When i was watching australian rules. Football australian ties chased. Never never stopped doing it might now. Yeah yeah. I can only imagine how they smell so mad right now at that accident. 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My shows it's where you can make more lego mar-a-lago out of lego. Go ahead. three two one in human form. We're also going to be in denver at the high plains comedy festival in september and maybe more dates to announce very soon yes announcing more dates. I think no not teasing. Maybe there's some more we're not sure maybe in september america. Us december twenty fifth nineteen fifty year of our lord. Jesus christ day of our lord's son. Jesus christ jesus yeah. Sandra lee neely was born in piedmont south carolina Her mother was a public schoolteacher. Father worked in a textile mill producing corduroy and denim from cotton. Share the dream right. Yeah i mean. I think most you get all that you get that free fabric. Most people when they're young. They're like i wanna work in corduroy. Yeah i i definitely. I definitely like corduroys a child. It's nice it's nice. It's ridged pants. It's ridge pants like a boy. Listen to the content. We're getting out of our impersonal sandy. As she was called wanted to be a nurse she wanted to help people okay. She's like to help people sure about three hours. North east of piedmont wants the city of groom aunt. Sorry go ahead. you say something serious. No i didn't know the. I don't know the improv is going to be so hot. Piedmont poom on. I mean follow. Take my hand. I got you. Follow me to the promise. City of greensborough south carolina. It's full of blue collar. Mill workers public schools had not been segregated there until nineteen seventy-one church so really on the times on the cutting edge understanding the way things are trending properly. Yeah you wanna you wanna you wanna hold out on that kind of thing as long as possible. Yeah i always say going backward soon. The naacp had a very strong presence there mlk would come there and give speeches at the north carolina agricultural and technical university. So it's a lot. It's a hot it's a it's a spicy town. Sure we're calling it. Sure in nineteen sixty when sandy was nine four black. At and t. Freshman sat down at a woolworth lunch counter and refused to move until they were they were. At and t. What at and t. It's the technical university okay and science that. At and t. and t. i apologize. That's okay just threw me off i was. At and t. students you didn't go to eighteen t. University went to verizon. Hi it's only time. It's only a matter. Oh absolutely one hundred percent you know after. I talked about it before. But when we were in salt lake city or whatever and we saw the jack link's jerky hospital is when i went. Okay well this. That's our off for everything from now on anything's possible. There's no bottom. My health network is jimmy dean sausage. That's good. I go to jimmy dean out care patient. That's right. yeah that's a really good. One are the best sausage doctors. I've been able to find personally so the sit in very effective. It's spread across the south as we all know and for the next ten years there were sit ins and demonstrations in greensboro. There are often mass arrests and violent confrontations. We've been cops loudly. You wouldn't think the end. The ku klux klan. Have you heard of them around. Yeah they're not a fan of black people sitting at counters. Now it's not that's for only whites to do yeah you can't have people sitting counters. Imagine the anarchy that would follow. It is weird when your mind gets so like. It's so unrelated. I don't even really. I mean i know it's all founded and just like such like terrified ego horse shit but it is very strange when you really think about it to think like no. You can't go there because of your skin. It's like no. It's it's a very bizarre. It's bizarre thing to have in our history still still so all this activism helped push through the civil rights act of nineteen thousand nine hundred fifty seven right. There were additional additions to it in sixty and sixty four. This made it hard for business owners and public visuals to deny black people services or voting rights and doesn't feel like freedom turns out that actually not true as it's not a lock say that didn't hold it's a placeholder yeah turns out it's easy to just take away good role that back. Not a big thing. Don't worry so much. More black southerners started voting and they became a factor in southern politics. White politicians were then forced to tone down rhetoric. Suddenly their actual black legislators cops and sheriffs or as they call it. Oh my god. I was worried about. I told you we should've let that fuck gallard. This is what the racist bobble prophesized end becoming. Because this is a quote from a black man. Oh dear andrew. Young black minister summed it up quote when not many black people could vote. The politicians used to talk about the niggers when we got ten or fifteen percent voting. They call this niigara when we got up to twenty five percent. They learned how to say negro now that we have seven sixty to seventy percent registered and voting. They say how happy they are to see so many black brothers and sisters here tonight then. Well that is really amazing. Isn't that amazing. And that's i think that's that's when you have to use the word. Well they just the way that they. It's it's like a video game it's like you're advancing through levels and then slowly you're getting like the title. That in there is is closed. You know eventually. The goal of the game is to become. What when you get to a hundred percent is when we referred to you as a watchman. You're welcome but it does. It really does show what we know which is just that. Yeah you know fucking scare them and they will do what you want live in fear of them and they will steamroll you can treat you with. V most disrespect possible. Yeah when you have no power but when you start getting power they were we all the time that they work for you. I mean it really is like you're just like oh. I hope they give us this. It's like man we should just be like. Hey fuck face. Gimme healthcare nine hundred sixty nine. Sandy moved to greensboro to attend bennett college. A black woman's liberal arts college. She became heavily involved in the civil rights movement. She's elected president of the united states. The united states of america that. Why do we not talk about where right a little more. And it's really weird. We don't because she. The first black woman elected president have dave. I know i've learned on this podcast. That benjamin franklin was not a president. I i am shocked to learn the they're not talking about that. No and they act like nixon was president. But this says sixty nine richard nick. It was so there was a black and we'd take five so i can process. Oh wait this is. She was like the president of the student government. Oh that's different. Yeah okay. She organized with the greensboro association of poor people and the student association for black unity. She met if a guy's trained to be a doctor. They fall in love mark smith and they eventually get married. And sandy became sandra lee. Nelie smith okay so after college. Sandy joined the workers viewpoint organization boy. She's really zooming like she's taking a lot of empathetic takes. The wto will call that. It was a multiracial national communist group. Oh so dave. If i may do an impression of a white bro. Listen breast of muslim buster. that's yes it's a melting pot of everything. I loathe unfair. This black people in communism together drought myself this foul tune. If you don't mind. I will be holding my breath until you do what you've done. I'm not gonna do it. That was all you go out on a heavy graver diet. it do wonders for one's lung capacity. It's not good. I shall now hold my breath and do you do. Would you did exhausted. Did you undo it yet. no. I'm perfectly happy again as have a big cookbook gravy. Yes thank god. Leaves get a scoop it out of my my bucket. Abc dehydrated beyond belief. I need that celtic brown water to fix film. Well we've been keeping it warm here for you and the bucket who back tomorrow. I find another breath holding day. Good luck to you undo. What you've done a terrible human being. I'm terrified of what i've heard come from you but i must say you gravy is the right amount of rosemary. So she meets three other men involved in the medical program at duke university. Dr jim waller. Paul berman's on and bill sampson okay. I mean there's gonna be a lot of names so great. Don't hold onto them okay. Well i'll i'll remind okay at duke hospital jim. Paul had set up medical testing services for textile mill workers through the north carolina brown lung association. Okay great and is that it's not a civil rights. Then is the one of my logs actually. Hello it's me gravy from high true suffer from brown lung. Well that's because you pour gravy into your loan east because the belly gravy bubbles up to other organs. Void has nowhere else to go. Oh i'm going to vomit. It's like a river without any tributaries you make me want to be sick and die where listen have undone. The thing us talking about before is butch women and non hats. I'm sorry i was distracted. You have some great becoming out of your grave coming out of all parts of me. I've full wouldn't you p. grave p. It's not. We're not that. I want to be buried in a gravy now. Many southern textile workers have what's known as brown and dave as a doctor. That is the color you do not want your lungs though you do not want supposed to be pink and pretty like a like a hard on valentine's day right okay. Yes it's called a bissett noces. It's an incurable disease caused from inhaling. The cotton fibre dust in factories. Now as you can imagine in a quarter identity whatever factory there's gonna be a lot of cotton dust sure yep so. Workers had fevers coughs. Muscle ache and joint pain. It was also called monday. Fever because workers would feel better over the weekend but there cysts symptoms with reignite when they came back to the factory floor on monday. How god so. What would this when you know that you're just working in the best job and people care about you so much. You got a case of the mondays. Well my lungs hurt so yeah. I'm actually bleeding out of my lungs. I've got a big case of the mondays to. It's it's monday. I can't feel my legs. Man day i get. I get addicted to those saturdays. Feeling my breath again so fucking horrible. Yeah it's horrible now that we and again nobody's ever really. We just never care about how we don't do anything. We're not into the breathing part. Many many workers are from very poor rural areas. They have no choice but she keep working at the mill and so they would keep working at the mills until their lungs. Just completely fail right because you have another option. Yeah you have no option. Jimmy previously treated protesters who have been beaten at the nineteen sixty four democratic national convention and a native americans wounded knee. Jim paul bill and sandy believed that under a racist and capitalist system. Doctors and nurses would just put bandaids on the health. Problems caused by poverty while the root causes capitalism and racism went unaddressed. If you could imagine a society in which that a thing such a foolish take take. That's aged terribly. You read about these people from back in the late sixties. And you're like what were you thinking. When you see the spoils we've been delivered. You must be red faced and now we'll now i mean if they could if were it would be like look. This is the best healthcare fire bad. We take it back. Yeah we nailed it american. Now that the only the only thing we do so like j of course they identified themselves as revolutionary doctors. Okay and they believe the first thing you need to fight. Capitalism was an organized mass movement of workers still still waiting for that pollen. Jim had created the trade union. Educational league to build unions led by rank and file members to unite southern workers across racial lines. Which is key Guess racial and they began salting factories. Salting factories not assaulting fact salting salting salting. So basically where you at feels like you want me to try to have guests and so i will. I will follow your lead. This is where you in the factory. You've throw a lot of salt around and it ruins things and more specifically its ruins. The if you put it in the fabric cauldron. I can't guess any further. Can you tell me more about the fabric cultures since where the witches make the content bravo so salt is salt factory is when as an organizer you go to a factory and get jaw a job at the factory with the purpose of organizing the workers. Oh so great. Yes so sani got a job at cone mills working at a flannel factory called revolution mills. First of all you should not have called your mill. Revolution mill right. That's not it's not helpful. It's not good. I don't know all of a sudden it seems like they're trying to change everything. The hell they get that idea from almost all the workers were black women. Okay besides brown lung. They were paid terribly. They had to deal with blatant discrimination and constant sexual harassment from supervisors. Good good good. Good great says all west. So sammy organized the workers to fight. Okay and they started. They forced management to allow the first osha inspection ever at the con meals plant which led to enforcement and expensive safety measures being put in place. So if you're from another country osha is like our workplace safety enforcement. You know they come in. They look to make sure everything is good for workers. It's a thing that we just completely ignore in america Yeah it's one of those things that were put in place for safety then totally stop doing or carrying them. That's right so it's hard to keep things going. Sorry everyone so cone mills fired four hundred of the workers who were unionizing okay. Sandy took cone to the national labor relations board over the firings. The mills still there. But now it's live. Work play campus with luxury. Apartments in restaurants event spaces owned by bank. So it's still there but it's now it sounds like a fancy place for fancy people flat. It's good it's good to know we've lost that battle early. Jim got hired at cone mills. Corduroy plant he didn't really fit in as well as sandy because he was a bearded jewish guy from chicago. Okay who brought pickled herring to work for lunch every well i mean i. It doesn't matter what your politics are. Beliefs are if you're bringing pickle like you're not going to be a popular person bringing pickled anything but pickled herring. I prefer instead of bringing pickled herring to work is just a just to go in and go. I'm not one of you. Yeah would anyone like some homemade chum. I've worked with people who have been into pickled fish. I'm not and you. You are like look this is what do you wanna do be stinky and friendless. Or you know eat something. You're not into and have people around you. so don't do. That is what we're saying now we're going to get. We don't need your. I don't care how much you liked. Pickled fish is just a joke but he ended up earning their trust and was elected shop steward and then vice president of the local union so the skies good all right he actually led a strike against the plant and that increased union membership from about twenty five to two hundred. Well okay. now. Bill worked at a cone denim plant and he also quickly became their shop steward. Okay bill he was a native southerner and he was an idealist. He really believed he foolishly. That everything would work out. Fine sure the denim factory was one of the largest denim producers in the entire world and workers constantly died from cotton dust. Well yeah but still. It's great there's a lot of people are getting genes which is way better. Well when i yeah. There's two great things about that. So you're a worker and and you're gonna die because you're going to work every day to make pants part but people all over the world are wearing those pants and and and a couple of guys who on the factor getting rich. And if you think about it like you're in those pants so your legacy is you kinda live on is. It's like the sisterhood of traveling pants. It's just you you're in the pants and you're it's actually a lot like my movie that as it goes pounds where where a person dies and is put into a pair of pants and then for the rest of the movie is sort of the guiding light to the protagonist a recently divorced man. Who's really not sure if You know his life is gonna work out until he puts on the right pair of pants where he's able to sort of get his life together through the coaching of the pants. Which coach him again. They're coaching the panzer talking to them coaching him. And you know yeah. Can we have a love interest absolutely on appear short. Yeah there could be a pair of short. Well i think there should be is he. You know he pines for a woman in his neighborhood. We always sees walking and then she gets on yeah. She gets a pair of shorts that are sort of coaching her. And then it's about them kind of parent trapping the couple into you know and that's why it's called goes pants. I love it. i'm gonna buy. It is really long. Well what about a mini series. I mean yeah. We could sure i'll look. I'm looking to sell this concept. Because i believe in it and know that it works and you relate to it on an emotional level because of it's really about your life when you were younger yes thank you No the conversation. So the wto. The group was like a lot by workers but because they were communists. The national union the amalgamated cotton textile workers. Union did not want to have anything to do with them right right so even though they could organize workers and help the union get better their lives. There was a nasty term. When i come on. Not dot com. He's not the c word when condos figured out. What was happening with assaulting jim was fired they use the excuse that he left his medical degree off of the information. He gave him when he got hired. So it's weird one and there's no way for us to now learn that information and so they got rid of him and the cone mill locals. There's also on the grounds that the elected officers did not properly represent all the workers in the most. They were just coming up with different. Rejects right there would be like these guys. Don't represent you 'cause they're white communists right and they'd be like yeah but their workers now different skid collared also call me listen to us so santa got a job at another mill cannon mills near charlotte and w. vio changed their name to the communist workers party. Okay so this to me. That's the right. Change the writer when you're rejected. Because of labels he's supposed to lean in. I guess what if we made people not like us right or what. The problem is they don't know how communist we are. We didn't show them interesting interesting choice. Yeah i could see it both ways. So they're called the dwp. The debbie wasn't just a political group for sandy. It was like a lifestyle you know she. She sang in the communist workers. Party choir by the way some of the best choir work. I've heard this far. Just you really hear it. Yeah there's the godless songs. It's just yes right. Yeah hey godless choir yeah. They're called the mayday singers. Okay right. She went to protest birthdays baby. Like it was like a group family organization. Kids party if you could maybe not We're just going to do more like row. Row your boat. Happy birthday that sort of stuff. So we're not really looking for any of the regular man. Fight the system stuff we have. We were going to open with. Cut the heads off the capitol right there. Can i jump in. Because that is simply i mean. She's turning four. I feel like most of her friends are four or five. I feel like they could be kind of down. We have another one Drain the blood from the bosses gets kinda headed in the direction. Where i'm saying. No when you're you see. I'm looking for more of like you know sort of happy. Birthday pin the tail on the donkey vibe. You know again like a row. Row your boat or the wheels on the buzz so this is sort of things where workers on the buses when we do. Okay is that to the tune of the wheels on the bus. The workers on the bus. How does it go. Workers on the bus go round and round and round tires tires of the bus. Who is no no because the capitalist driving it well i just know it's another no. We're going to stop that bus. We're gonna stop that bus. Gonna take the head of the capitalist of of the bus. it's not lee even rhyming too much off the rails a little bit bus and but usually the crowd is so fired up that it doesn't matter then we'll do some. Mary had a little lamb and stuff and then made these little sickles. I would like to pass out absolutely not at all. No there's no need for sickles at all and that is not going to happen. Obviously because i'm saying right now that's we're not going to be well i mean again. They're four and five and then we're not going to be there. Yeah but no no. We do not Plant so i'm going to have to again We'll probably stick this stuff that we have planned. You have balloons. I mean. I'm very interested to hear why but i i also feel like balloons and we have squirt guns for the kids to just shoot water at each other. Well that is the sort of you know it's hot day. So that's the sorta wholesome silencer so they can slice your belly. Open you all right. Where are you going to middle class. Piece of shit all his at you. I don't even know about our friendship anymore. Weird really turned it up. Yeah yeah so no again. No we've both know where we stand now. Yeah i'm done with. This is a thing for sure. This is a divide for us. Now so okay. So the p. Now turn their attention to the ku klux klan. Okay the kkk add fought integration during the sixties they staged marches boycotts sit ins to counter protests the civil rights minden group. I'm more sick of. Oh god it's just fuck izaac. Shut the fuck up. Yeah i mean. God turns out it was hard to get away with mob. Violence linked lynchings without a wide share if white judge and a white jury looking the other way right so now you know black people. Because they're starting to vote they're getting into those places of power look clans like jamie. Yeah so the pow the clans powers going down but then at the end of the seventies. There's a bit of resurgence with the clash here and were confrontations. There were shootings there. Cross burnings okay. Just a retro. Yeah right right. And the summer of seventy nine the clan screen d w griffith's the birth of a nation in china grove near where sandy worked in china grove. Doobie brothers song. That's right damn right. That's right the cw plea including sandy. Jim waller jim's wife signi nelson johnson. Who was also one of the leaders and others. They showed up to protest. I'm sorry. I think you guys are at the wrong event. We're not showing this tages. Danny no we're here to say this bullshit. You shouldn't be shown it we're not here to say you're showing racist horrific movie. Were saying kiss i asthmatic. Confused is wide. You know on a candidate. You know this move. You will not like this movie. That's why we're here. We don't like the movie. Well it takes me a minute to process dialogue. Yeah you can't come in. No we don't wanna come in. We're going to stay outside and let me get my supervisor. Green wizard he's in charge. Our names are ridiculous. Amax of the cyclops conclo- pace that cyclops lopez. Don't dog know how to read. Picture it in your head close by club up cash. Okay so the ad front. They a confederate flag so far in yeah and a clan. Banner out that was outside. It's called the cleaner and then the clansman came out and everyone starts pulling guns. You don't know what it's like to have your feelings violated on a level of this nature that is full. You're doing we respect those things so they started yelling at each other and then finally three cops show up and they forced the kkk to go inside. Okay so this is the tension building sure the. Cw planned a state conference to discuss the rise of racism that was happening and the k. k. k. also wedges hedges wages wedgies wedgies inequality housing education voting rights in healthcare and wedge. It's quite a everything. It's quite a docket. Honestly it's like all right so we just need to address a l. everything honestly everything's pretty shit. I mean look. Greensboro is still like the schools are still struggling with integration right. The voting system is is the weight you know their manner and rigging it so. It's leaving black. People represented right and we will hold on. We call it now. Wisconsin be conference was set for november third and they were gonna start the day with public march. Okay and the public march would start a few blocks of town. They marched to the conference site and then start at the conference. Okay now the slogan they pick for the march was death to the clan. Oh my lord freight every clearly. There was no like like the marketing guys. Like that's perfect. That's great that we got notes. This what you want like. It's very mission statement. It's very there's nobody who's getting no nuance which i love beating around the bush on this right or at heart you can also throw fucking in there. You could throw a death to the fucking clan deaf to the clan but that is like how you gotta play it. I mean they are just you know they're a terrorist org. You need to be like yeah. We are also going to fight you. It's a terrorist organization. There is nothing wrong with sake. Yeah no these people are right. Yeah yes so the. Cw p made a deliberately militant challenge to the clan with posters and press conferences. So they're coming out and saying fucking bring it right at once. Great at one. Press conference paul. Burma zone said quote. The clan can and will be crushed. They must be physically beaten back. Eradicated exterminated wiped off the face of the earth. It's why it's so great is because it's like you know they as as a group like the clan thrives upon stereotyping segmenting and hating and wanting to eviscerate certain sects of our population. So it's great because they're a group to be like an. We're going to take your policy. Jam it up your ass. Well that's the thing. This is exactly. What the client wants so you should honestly your mission statement is right on the money. It's just way should not be in the crosshairs. It's a little blunt. And i gotta be honest. It's a little bit much. it's we are very attracted to your group name but we are finding it a bit of an imposition because we are the ones being photo after. You don't like it now. Put on my hood what you don't ever big goof a uniform if we may what organization to another have y'all thought about dressing up black ghosts or baby put a pumpkin on your head. We did talk about being ghosts. You should be ghost way. Find a shaded look is pretty fantastic now logistically. There's some issues horses triumph of gets caught and doors me basically every day. You're like abroad on her wedding day. But what we love about it. The absolute the presentation. You cannot beat the presentation. I would like to actually yes. There is an issue in that is wash- washington. Well the worst itar. It's it's i would say it's more hearts and nightmare if you go out one night and you burn crosses and you're attacking people in the country and riding a horse around and then you come home and you're like well. This is just a shit show. I'm covered in just dirt. Well that's why we use kleenex. Kleenex is declines exclusive fabric softener and it has bleach elements in it. That will actually get into what back in okay by the way. We're not just trying to keep our clothes what we're trying to cape to earth flat. That's right through amway group in through us. you can purchase clinics absolutely kleenex. It it is only for what's and we're not just talking about the fabric so toothpaste okay. Well we're gonna say berry juice so okay. Well we were just going to your household item apps also sell but we we're here to talk clan shampoos. Your that is. I mean honestly cue tips. Yes right just a cornucopia of a lot of stuff. we was here to just talk about detergent. Gentlemen i think that if you also sell you sell to people within your group your work site then then you can sell it and i sell it. I saw the very confusing. It's become very very baffling. What's happened so it has been a two car back to you say pencils all the way up to car. I think bothersome so just about having a clear message just clear message is what we're after not just. I think it's time to stop. Its way to sell. It's a lifestyle all right well. No we're promoting. That's the clair's i'm saying. That's now merged not merged with amway. Brady come on. That is dumb shit. Stop pitching for god's sake christ dishwashing soap. Yeah come on just hand lotion. If we're going to get on shark tank us get need to stop skittered. He went on with his this threat to the clan quote. We invite you and your two bit punks to come out and face. The wrath of the people know poland sheets on a flyer the flyers put up said quote. The dogs have no right to exist. They must be physically beaten and run out of town. That's great this is the only language they understand and it is true it is true yes only language understand so in november nelson applied for a march permit. He noted it was actually called the prayed permit by call it a march permit because i just felt like if i kept saying parade you'd get convinced is a little weird to be like. We are parading for civil rights. He noted it is application. It would begin at the intersection of everett and carver streets near a housing project posters for the march had an altar gathering place for participants from out of town at the windsor community center because it was more accessible from the interstate highway. So there were there was to. There's this place for the march. Then there's like a gathering place and it's everyone understands what it is but they're so there's just basically two options right well but the permit is for the march officially starting at the one okay but there is another option for people to gather okay because it's easier for everybody okay. The permanent was taking awhile to get so nelson goes to the greensboro police department. Now it's it's legal to openly carry firearms south carolina march. It's a great tradition. But when he gets the police department they are like. You can't have the permit in less. You cited agreement promising you and all the marchers will not be armed. Okay and nelson's like well that's a little weird. Bright seems like a disadvantage suspicious so the rest after march backwards. He goes to the rest of the up and he tells them like yeah no. We're not doing that. Yeah but he signs it anyway. Okay so okay. So two days. Before the march the cop send nelson a copy of the permit and it specifies the starting point. Okay which we said before. Everett and carver and the ending point right. So it's much from here to here start time. Here's the route you're going to walk on. It includes where police are going to be stationed along the route okay and the greensboro police and a copy of this to their local klan. Informant eddie dawson. It's great when the department has a local clan informed. Gotta gotta send that job. I don't know what they're marching for. But give this to the clan from us. I don't know why they're so paranoid. They really seem to think that this is just one big conspiracy. Anyway clan boy go back to the clan. So eddie dawson had joined the clan in the mid sixties after he moved to greensboro from new jersey He worked in a hardware store and collected emmett. Kelly junior hobo clown figurines. Oh so yeah no flags on this case. Do not normal. And what do you do for fun eddie. I collect weird client things. So i'm in the coup clown. It's like the clan but we believe for clown rats that's right the akc. The ku klux cloud may spark goals. He's we believe in cloud rats. Only a you got ride to list your super want with big red lips and freckles. Most likely and blue is shadow. We're actually the clan where the clown. Oh i'm sorry. I didn't walk into the wrong meeting every little noise. I've make his ku klux cloud. Well i suppose there should be off unless anyone wants to sniff this flower. Have you ever thought about selling us berry. Excuse me all right. I'm a little taken aback by your question. Mr or do you have friends. That used the dishwashing soap. No sorry i didn't understand dumb heard about you. I'm good. i'm good i just. Where does their cloud riot meeting. Just as much foot ring a bunch of your clown friends. Well may maybe we do if you started selling. Yeah toiletries to your little organized. We're kind of goofy makeup like if you make up to your other clown but we're just we kind of people who aren't us. Aren't the clown race with with seltzer. So clown noses we sell week. I'm not shoes okay. We got the whole thing. Okay so if you want to get in on that. I mean i was here for another reason entirely. But he's jill i mean. Do you want to be a millionaire or no. Well not really. I mean we. Don't we work more on our money and economy thrives through joy. that's our currency we joy. That's the dish so full circle. I gotta go so so in. Nineteen sixty seven. Eddie and some of his buddies were convicted of terrorizing black people in elements county so he goes to prison for a short period of time and then he gets out any merely takes part in a clan attack in nineteen sixty nine on black residents in swan quarter. Okay he's he's got his thing he's doing it. Yep prison doesn't rehabilitated. And then right. After that attack he becomes an informant for the fbi and he got a suspended sentence so he didn't want to go back to jail. He is forming. He's reading on the clan. Well now he's riding on the clam so up until this is just a clan guy like a. You're going to go to jail again. He's all rat on the clan. But i'm still going to be a clan. Yeah great this is perfect member. So he worked with the fbi he would work with the until nineteen seventy seven and then in nineteen seventy seventy nine. He became a paid klan informant for the greensboro police department so he went local so but he's still like reading on the clan and he was fbi informant and now he's a local police department informant. So you know it's just a good way to make a living for sure. Well plus you get to hang out with the clan which group of dudes you still hate black people and make a little little little cash. Because it's a passion because i'm paid off because it's a side hustle. Yeah so so. Two days before the march the cops send nelson copy of the permit like we said it specified so right so firearm. This is not great so there are at least five competing clans in north carolina. What right so. There's there's a clam petition. I've got to have a rival clan clan rivals. I can't eat what i just. What because someone always wants to lead a group and then someone else's like no but it's like what like like you know you don't like the way that guy's hating black people you like. We could hate black people a different way right. It's a little aggressive. I like us more of a slow natron weekend rices. Oh that's fine. we've got a weekend group. So the clansman didn't find a group active enough or they would want so a lot of guys would end up in nazi groups. It was like a jesus christ they would go from one group to the other. Like if you weren't if if the clan wasn't being like as violent as you wanted then you could slide over the nazis or and again i mean always been a gripe of the clan huge. Play not violent enough. So joe grady. Who is the leader of the white. Knights chose not to accept the cw invitation to face the wrath of the people. He's like. I'm not going to be involved in this wrath people's okay so the leader of a rival clan virgil griffin sawn opportunities. Like oh i could step into this void. If this guy's not going to fight the good fight. I'll do it. So his clan group was meeting with nazis to work out a united racist front. I mean jesus. Christ oh my god and they decided they would show the communist. What happens when they're called cowards. The like i. We'll take up this fucking fight. Okay out here. So eddie and virgil are working together. Right right so eddie. And virgils group is mostly mill workers and laborers in their thirties. Okay and the clowns. They're concerned about saving america. Right of course. america's yes. Be careful gotta be aware because the people who don't have any rights are going to take it away that's right the people the lowest rung. Yeah that's ladder crushing day. After day week after week. Have all the power you fools. Yeah so they're all concerned about saving america from race mixing and communism and such sort of thinks many are new to the clan and clan them. Wait a minute you're racist. i'm outta here. I did not know that. I gotta read this pamphlet as the new york times wayne king described it quote. These guys are not what you'd call real successful okay fair enough between the between all these guys. They had a bunch of criminal convictions. Like shooting into home. That was serving liquor to blacks and whites breaking the legs of a black man. Living with a white woman burning crosses on the lawns of blacks. Who moved into white neighborhoods conspiring to blow a union hall organizing paramount paramilitary training camps to inside a race war and planning to blow up a gas storage facility. Jesus so they got there. They they're the classic it's their classic swiss army knife. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah that's right. They've got all their tactics. Yeah so going off the permit the cops gave him Eddie arranged a gathering port point for the clan and the nazis of so he uses right the information. The cops give him as an informant too so he okay so he he is like he's like all in on the clan. He's just also their informant for he. He's he's he's four the cause but also ratting on individuals. Strange little life is weird. Little app trying to fuck over the group. I love so he puts up posters around the starting point then the image of a lynched body with the warning to communists. Race mixers and black riders. Even now the crosshairs are on the back of your neck. It's time for some old fashioned american justice so they're both putting up signs. We're gonna fucking kick your ass. Yeah eddie and virgil had their men shoot target practice at images of actual. Cw organizers so they actually that's and by the way it's it's just attention to detail is just it doesn't matter what the beliefs are. You've got respect. Respect the attention to i mean. They care about yeah. They've they've done the homework there specifically coming up with the human targets. That's school now. The cops including the chief were kept informed the entire time by eddie of eddie and virgils violent plans to attack on the march. It's not surprising. But so the cops are fully aware of what eddie is do so. There really is no. I mean. it's all kind of just one in the same really. Yeah he's he's saying. This is what we're going to do as an informant and the cops are going but then what are the cops doing in response to that information. Well they're like well when we're not working. We are racist for pleasure. I'm off the clock. One klansman got kofi. And when nate's sox he went to the city to cancel to tell them to cancel the march because there's going to be violence he's gotta fucking cancel okay and the city just didn't good the atf. Also knew of planned violence and didn't do anything had an undercover agent. At one of the nazi group is they're going to be a lot of tobacco there. Is you give them. We're not doing again. i'll do it. Yes so they actually have a guys infiltrated nazi group. They know that the nazis in clan are planning attack right. The agent actually ordered one. Nazi to show up at the march with men and weapons or face demotion with in the organization so he is higher up enough an atf. Agent is high up enough in the nazi group. That a guy sounds like he doesn't want to go and he orders him to go. Jesus christ and bring others or he's going to get you're no longer a cyclops. I don't know what a nazi the nazis fun ones are right. So that's not great again. Great sign anytime you get into right wing or muslim terrorists or whatever you're always going to find an fbi agent or in this case atf. Telling people to do illegal things. It's weird because don't they represent the justice system you. It's very complicated. They have to arrest them even though they told them to do it right. Where on november third nineteen seventy-nine nelson met with a police lieutenant to confirm the marches. Starting point route so this is again. This is like the third time that he's gone. A gun start your finnish era. The lieutenant said he would meet nelson at the starting point. And then they went their separate ways. Okay so virgil an eddie. Gather thirty to fifty clansmen nazi guys inside a house in greensboro. Okay and virgil gives a speech that included the line quote. If you love your children you would go shoot one hundred now honors and leave their bodies in the street. Well you know it is. I don't have kids so it's hard for me to know what a parent's love is. It's not does okay as a parent you have kids. Yeah this isn't. Is that an order. That feels in line with what it means to love your kids. No it's actually not related. There's no part of you that goes. Oh that's how you'd be a good dad. Know weirdly hill is it is it. I guess the question is is it a good example for your child to see you. Murder people as a color of their skin based on their skin color. I feel like it's not but again. I've only been a dad for twelve years. Yeah it's a little early to tell you gotta shapes up at one of those things you might kick yourself. That's true you know. I should've should've been the worst eddie. Also stood up and gave a very racist anti commie speech and encourage violence. So the i'm sure the grammar was rasping. The route of the group encouraging. Yeah we have to and it's just amazing that like look. I mean it's a lot what you're like the clans piece of shit but like he's the clans piece of shit and he's the one is like this is why you can't trust them. It's like you can't trust you you so at eleven. Am sani guess together. Oliver other comrades at the corner of everett and carver streets in front of the public housing project reporters take pictures of the marchers and surely say drive the women very specifically did you know they have the amounted speakers there bunker gems they have singers. They're trying to make it a whole thing. Yeah other camera. Crews were at the all gathering spot at the windsor community center. Everyone's happy happy atmosphere. Okay the march started at noon. Two hundred people at first but then it grew to about four hundred. Okay he will brought their kids okay. The clansman piled into their cars and drove in a caravan. Now they do sound like the ku klux clown. Yes would fit at one thirty twenty minute one car all right. let's go. it's a volkswagen bug. When we get there is going to be a larry. Feet and gloves the hoods out that you know the police track the caravan okay. And they knew they were carrying illegally concealed weapons. Okay so they know it's a bunch of guys. I think it's nine cars and they're all packing guns. Okay so seems unfair. They did not stop it. Okay interesting it's strange now. I just. I don't want to spend too much time here. But that seems strange and then they did not warn the marchers that the caravan of cars was on the well. I mean i guess again. I'm hung up on the step before. But if you were to for whatever reason just completely forgo that step then i would find the next move of not giving anyone a heads up also puzzling. So it's not a great setup. Okay okay that's fair. The caravan of nine cars drove toward the marchers led by a car with a confederate license plate. That was driven by eddie dawson. Sure a man leaned out of eddie's passenger side window and shot his pistol into the air k. now this is when they're heightening the events. Yes yes this is when close so everyone starts diving covered okay. Some ran over to the clan cars and started hitting it with sticks and they're trying to drive the cars away trying to get the cars to go. Clansman jumped out and started attacking marchers with their own sticks k. A nazi armed the long butcher knife. Oh jesus christ charged nelson johnson and he raised the knife to try to slit his throat and nelson blocked it with his arm and so the knife went through his arm. Oh god clansman then started firing shots into the ground the of course sandy to cover against building bill sampson pulled the handgun and shot back. Eddie jove his car away the scene. That's on the cops by the way you're not supposed to have gun. No that's a legal. Raise your permit so and he just fucking takes off okay again. Last is eddie we call. He's brave i mean. He's the hero of the story. He's the guy a racist snitching on everyone and then the second the malays starts from his bullshit. He's gone he's just a cloud of himself he's the cartoon cloud himself addied. What do you. This is just nothing but cloud at the back of the caravan was a sedan. Six men climbed sedan van. it's a sedan event. Six men climbed out opened the trunk and took out rifles and shotguns. I i think i can find a picture of the so. No boy it is. It is the craziest. You know the thing the thing is that like it's why it's why there is such distrust to law enforcement. It's just like anything else where it's you know. Your job is to be there to help. And if you don't do it you can come up with reasons why it's just a very easy thing to avoid if you choose to and then you know public trust is is i mean. Yeah you you get. The results are things like this. That's them getting out of the car. Raced cigarettes dangling from the mouths guy. Opening up the tron. They look crazy handguns to everybody else. Very casual right. They look just casual. Yeah two guys have literally cigarettes dangling for another. one guy. looks crazy. Yeah jesus so eddie said eddie. Eddie's gone there's six guys do this a clansman and a pickup truck yelled quote. you ask for the clan. Now you've got him so these guys the take the guns out of the car. They lean over the car hood and they start opening fire. Even the clans cars have hoods. The crowd of men. Women and children are twenty five feet away. Oh my god they scream. They scattered thirty. Nine shots were fired. Oh my lasted eight seconds. And then they got back in their cars and they drove off reporters. Have it all on tape. It's being filmed and sandy was slumped against the building shot. Jim was phased down the street. The cops conveniently derived when the shooting was over. Well that's good detective work. They stopped one. Kkk car which is yellow van and they arrested twelve men inside and they arrested nelson for causing a riots. they also started arresting all the communists. Right who are alive right and under arrest for being shot. i'm guessing. Yeah and they're they're. They're arresting people trying to help the shop people there. Wow what the fuck paul was. Shot be paralyzed for life. Mike nathan died the next day with the campy. Be right jim. All right jim waller sees a caesar. I should have written on chaucer. I think it is bill. Sampson and sandy smith died instantly. Ten more people were is andy. Sandy yep so there's a sense of disbelief in horror in white greensboro. Like even the white people like what in the fuck yes happen and obviously the black communities are fucking livid. President carter ordered the fbi to investigate protests erupted in the morningside homes public housing project. And the and the neighborhood. It doesn't make you feel better that the fbi is investigating. No it's like what is what like getting what you had. You had a fucking informant. While i was still. He was not informed anymore. But no it doesn't but regardless it's like they're just it's so convoluted as far as like what the like it's like with the epstein thing where it was just like you know like the people working on it. We're actually trying to help. And then the fbi is investigating the fbi. You're just like we keep coming up with these organizations that are supposed to fight for justice and then it seems like they just fall they. Yeah they fall back into the fold. You know. Protests erupted like you said in the housing project. The people are traumatized and they're angry. People are angry at the cops and the cw. They're mad at but the communists and they're mad at the whole thing. The city associated curfews surveillance and they brought in the national guard. Grins boroughs mayor and other officials went to the local television station to try to stop them from airing. The massacre footage. We'd like to stop the truth. Don't put that out there. Everybody knows what fucking already happened. I think at that point. It's far better to see it just like we should. every death. every execution we do in america should be shown live television. Yeah but also like. That's why you have body cams that are supposed to supposed to be made public. Why when they like hide the footage g. I really wonder why you don't want people to see this vindicating footage it's odd black. Churches and civil rights organizations now tried to walk the fine line of opposing the clan and what had happened while avoiding being linked closely with the communist workers party. and it's so it's like this this inability to just forgo being delicate. It's well it's so like you. There is there is no there is no because they're doing like will the the left and the writer equal bad in this case the klan is just evil and the communist worker party was was they use some language that was inappropriate but they did not roll up and start shooting the fucking clansman. There is a very obvious but good and bad. But you also it's like you you know if you're in if you're in the eye of that hurricane where you've had all this violence you know you are just like i just don't want any more people to get hurt you know. But they're put they're both sizing and there's right now. Yeah and interfaith memorial service was held at the amy bethel church with politicians concerned citizens and they made sure it was timed to keep it very separate from the funeral march for all the dead. That people The fbi investigation found the greensboro. Police department was not responsible for the deaths of the protesters. Oh so see and here. I was earlier sort of flagging them. Saying you know is it. Maybe not a great thing to have investigating but then when you unearth the non truths you go good. Yeah they did do real well. The police department said at eleven. Am they were confused to find marchers gathering in two different places in front of the projects and the windsor community center. The thing that nelson had told them several times was going to happen. It's still as well dave. They are cops. They said no one from the wpa would tell them what was going on. So they're they're in cities but again. You barely told him eight times. How are they supposed to understand so they had. They said they had to split the cops between two locations which they weren't planning on even though they had been told repeatedly that's what they should plan on and then his sergeant decided to keep his men five to twenty blocks from the march to smart. That's my void provoking the crowd. Yeah right no for sure. I had nothing to do with allowing a caravan of white supremacist. Save time that. The police do their work from thirty blocks away. That's how they normally that's how you know them. They hate to get any cops. Eight to mix it up. Yeah they don't like to get in there to get in there. What i can tell their pacifists. Oh and then the police. It said that the cops have gotten hungry. Oh yeah so the sergeant let them go get food and told them to be back at eleven thirty. Yeah but that's that's how you do. Are you expected to show up. Having eaten would yeah. I mean it was a little. Don't think cops sony breath. Well here's what we're gonna do. We'll get all right. Listen we'll get the party subs. We'll have the party subs them. We will focus on the event itself shoe. We eat before we go now. Now we will eat at their everyone. Come there and we will get party subs. While we're on the clock. While the event is happening we will be dining and having food. Shouldn't we be eating during the event. Exactly that's what we will be doing. So during the event we will be eating. And i can make it interesting by having a bit of an eating competition. So that'll be fun. That takes about one forty five at that point then we will check in on the event itself that should be over at that point. So look at it more as a company brunch. I got no argument. Yeah shouldn't be one hope. Everybody likes hit me. Paul saps alertly weekend so the cops also said they did know the clansman announcements and nazis were coming but they thought they would just throw eggs and heckle well having seen the history of the clan. We know them to be more of pranksters than murderers. They're look originally. The clan was known as the great american egg organization. Worst-case case scenario they teepee a couple of people. That's all that happens to come in the like you stink. You're black and then they throw some outlets badly an event. We'll be asked you this right. You're the press you know what happened here. When before this when before. Nineteen seventy nine. Was the clan. Ever violent at that and don't talk about anything that happened before nine hundred seventy right to be clear. Be clear so for yes. So everyone and mcgann. They're mainly egg terrorists vigorous also the klan. They said the clan caravan left earlier than it was supposed to what i mean. But it's like dude. How many of the quiet parts are you going to say out loud. I have a list here of seven. Really shitty hilarious excuses. They were supposed to start killing those people earlier when we throw off the schedule when we were at lunch could lowered on top of that the nazi the cops bleed would keep everything in check had gone to get food. So i mean there like i've good nazi unfortunately went to get a bite. You understand why we fucked up the nazi that we love and trust the nine z are not as we call him. He went to get ice cream. Do you know whether it's tough. It's really what you see. You see what i'm saying. A why is everyone. Look at me like crazy. Because i'm taking ownership over a nazi the guy. They said that we keep everything in check. Who had gone to get food was actually the nazi who opens the trunk to pass out the gusts so even then so they're like oh well then then that nazi turns out as a real nazi and we should have seen that coming and that was dumb. So the cops official statement was that they weren't there because they were eating and then other shifts. I can't believe they can't come up with something better. Their excuses are almost like go. Fuck yourself excuses. They're making it very obvious they don't give you all had the pope at the same time we all fail. We was having a tikka competition. We went roller skating. We did laser tag you guys. I know you're mad at us but we was having a push. Up competition burps. We was doing knitting games where you knits where we were seeing. Who could schaal the fastest. And i did. That's why we were there. Oh i'm sorry we couldn't make it. We was doing a three legged race. We was potatoes. Sex is that a big. He'll we're playing mermaid where you put water in your mouth and spit it out like fountain egg race. We were learning how to water paint. Where sorry we couldn't make it. We was coming up with cool handshake to not make a shirt. I certainly did was learning how to do. Hey it stands and then walk out on your hands. my god. You're acted like we did learn a skill while these people were getting murdered in daylight. I'm clark and you should see it. So fourteen fourteen went on trial fourteen clansman slash nazis. No one else arrested out of all the thirty to fifty guys no conspiracy charges by the way. This is clearly below. The bar is when you hear fourteen year. That's actually a legitimate number. Their lawyers argued. It was not racially motivated because only one of the five dead was black. Okay well i okay eddie said they only plan to heckler throw eggs. I can't believe they're still. I mean how. How are you you you only plan to heckle and ex guns. But then you brought people. That'd people got shot without was egg. Bullets is gross. You're not you're not gonna believe this. He was and he was never charged with a crime or any cause any worked every angle now that version of the police version of events the clans version of events. That's the one that was in most newspapers including papers known as the new york times. Oh yeah but they've always been bright well because you can't portray communists even if they're slaughtered as victims. Yeah they're the bad guy. Yeah they the near times that sound like. It was a spontaneous shootout between two equally violent fringe groups. Have you seen that. I can't remember exactly what that new york times headline is. But the pro hitler new york. Oh yeah amazing. Nelson johnson sir was demonized in the press called the failing activists who was seeking sensationalism. So they sure they stick it on johnson right. The all white jury acquitted all of them. Then the feds tried them again and that all white jury acquitted all of them On self defense. It's cool so there was a third trial in which the marchers sued tons of people on behalf of those killed and injured. They named the police department. The local government federal agencies sub shop. Clansman the nazi. Like everybody was involved okay. The jury returned a verdict against two cops. Four klansmen and to nazis for one wrongful death. Three hundred and fifty one thousand went to the widow of dr michael nathan paul. Burma zahn got thirty. Eight thousand for being paralyzed which he never collected on principle. No they do. They never gave it to him. Give it to the city of greensborough paid three hundred and fifty one thousand on behalf of the defendants in a settlement so so the verdict against the cops. The clansman and the nazis was paid by the city. Good so really. That's how you teach a lesson to. Yeah you definitely. If your city you want to pay off yeah something for. Its shore. Men that are in racist organizations. You want to pay. Yeah that's that's one of the tax money goes. The city just kept denying any responsibility. Sure nelson quote. I came to conclusion. Not only could this not have happened without the police but the police were active collaborators. In what i now call a north american death-squad this was not some random shootout. It was linked to stop in the campaign that we involved with. We were good organizers bringing together the coalition all these groups we worked closely with in light of that this coming together of black and white workers with a historically active. Black committee was the objective to rest. That work eddie. Dawson died in two thousand to the age of eighty three nelson and others initiated what came to be called the greensboro truth and community reconciliation project to demand an impartial investigation. This these have been done in south africa and other places and like. Why don't we do that here. Over the next four years tons of people participated including some of the nazis and cops. Well only the city of greensborough refused to take part in two thousand six. The project issued a five hundred twenty nine page report that included almost all of the details in this story a former jury members that had voted to acquit quote. If i knew then what i know now i never would have voted to acquit the clan. The single most important element that contributed to the violence was the absence of police. The police lied about confusion over the march starting-point and nelson explained it to them several times. Police also demonize the marchers and played up the threat posed wild downplaying the threat of the nazis two thousand seventeen the greensboro city council issued. A very broad apology activists are still fighting for the city to recognize and acknowledge its specific role in the massacre. For fuck sake. I mean to not to like you. Would you would think with all the you would think that they would just now have an actual apology. Just based on how horribly at ages and the way we work now with apologizing i mean in the world of apologizing which is what we mainly do now. How the fuck are they not apologizing like crazy. It is pretty. It is pretty weird. Get i mean just just making a thing so and ended by reading. I said that. Some nazis in clansman actually took part in the truth and reconciliation commission virgil griffin. Was one of them. He showed up and took questions asked. Why no klansmen was killed in the shootings. He answered quote. Maybe god guided the bullets off. Fuck sake sometimes. I just wish there was a god so that we could just be like well. You come down here and just at this. Will you please just straight a little bit. Maybe he is like what are you. Yeah she she but she would. Just come down and just be like look. No no not. No i put hear me out. I'd put polar bears here for reason. Don't read this book dude. Just wrote this shit all right okay. What you were thinking at the end there was happy episode. I sai- i get this. I get to be a downer sometimes. You're bummer. hey at least we're near each other all right. Let's let's let survive. Research for this episode was done by sarah. June references Eric codge rebecca martinez. Phoebe judge criminal birth of a massacre of the state of things the fortieth anniversary of the greensboro massacre by amanda magnus and stasio frank the greensboro truth and reconciliation commission the final report. History of the ku klux can by david chalmers harper's march nineteen eighty by robert watson. The other side of the greensboro shootout. there's more References you can go check out on our sources page. We sign wasteland thank you.

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484 - George Pullman Part 2 - The Strike

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

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484 - George Pullman Part 2 - The Strike

"You're listening to the dulles on the all things comedy network. This is a bilingual american history. Podcast or each week. I david anthony read a story from american history to my friend lover of beaches man with pockets. Doctor of science gareth reynolds. Who has no idea what the topic is going to be about though. Do you think stealing someone's craft healing. Stealing is stealing my craft. You're stealing my essence sir. I'm merely a my essence have had had an for how to spice up my side of the intro. I'm not sure where this is coming from. This relationship is hostile it's not hostile. You use you say things like that often and it's certainly not fair or accurate last episode about six weeks ago. I mentioned how that injury that intro is a crime mental health crisis. If you will and your response this week is too. You're not you're just. It doesn't even make sense what you're saying. Do you know what i'm saying like it's just sort of like it's not even tethered to reality. So it's like how much should have shame. Listen to work in the mental health field. Because this is not you. Should you know you're acting like you know what you're doing. You shouldn't act like a professional when you have no idea what you're talking about. I know that about the mental health field. Don't tell me how to do something you don't know how to do yourself. I'm a doctor. No you're an american and you think your doctor that's all of us. All americans are doctors. We have to be sure for all. I've got to tell you this very quickly. i i'm going to do. Stand up about it at some point. But i just have so much good material. I can't figure but my cousin. When i was in england was telling me the story that i remember. I just don't remember this part of it. So she lives in england and she'd come to la. And i was showing her around. And i had a gig at like some raffle thing or whatever so i was hosting some raffle. Things were good career wise too. So i'm hosting this raffle and she enters or i with one of my free raffle tickets entering when this enormous bottle of tequila like enormous bottle of cassowaries to kill. And so we're going around just to a couple of parties and we were drinking it anyway. That night she staying at my apartment with me one bedroom. So i'm like you can go sleep in my bed and i'll just sleep on my floor in my teenage mutant ninja turtles sleeping bag which i did in the middle of the night after much categories i had to take a piss i go i take a piss. I'm coming out of the bathroom. And i just walk into my wall because i'm like disoriented as far as where i'm sleeping and just and there's a lot of categories going through me and so i lay down and i feel my face and i just feel that it's covered in blood. Sound like oh shit. So i have to wake her up covered in blood so i'm like morning. Hey i need to go somewhere to get stitches. And so i figure i am not too far away from where i'm going. I'm living in korea town. At the time i go to this twenty four hour rapid care and when i'm in there because of i had no insurance and because of price i was negotiating the doctor down from seven stitches to five for christ and was like what is happening right now and i'm just going. Can you get away with five. He's like maybe five and i was like. Yeah i remember all that and even that part of it. But i remember it not being strange to me. It was just so beautiful. I was doing was i was just the self doubt the medical care that was necessary in order to be able to afford food and she was like this country is not great town called. The joke is jam. Patch the fucking about guy. Dave okay five and this is not gonna come like five part now. Hit him with the puppy sip. Arguments impo action. Pardon my friend a very first dates back in the us we will be live at the high plains. Comedy festival on september. Eighteenth twenty twenty one in denver colorado. 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Chicago have decided to go to war. With the american railroad union which is run by eugene debs and and his boycotting in support of the strike. Now the cia has decided to bring the us into this and president. Grover cleveland's attorney. General was a guy named richard olney. Richard only had been a he was a boston. Corporate lawyer for thirty five years representing railroads. He's the attorney general. Yes so the umpires. He is not a problem. He's still on several railroad boards. Yes but dave. He's able to divest his brain from that commitment and also at the same time be. It's like when michael jordan was the ref when the what he was still playing for the bull. Fine it's how works kelly. I should say who. Kelly is again. Kelly wrote the book the edge of anarchy. Jack kelly and a lot of this is taken from his whole work. So with the help of sarah june correct correct june to the research on this so kelly quote. He was said never to have had direct contact with any member of the working class except his own servants. Well that's that's a man of the people. He disowned his daughter for marrying a lowly. Dentist dentist i mean it's so so only is just a nightmare of human. Being right i mean. Wow that is crazy. A dead just doesn't seem that bad and so only as a as a railroad man and attorney. General of the united states is now determined to crush the strike. Sorry dave you. Misspoke determined to figure out the promise and help crush chewed. Decipher the issues. And make sure that they are able to use the life out of help and the existence go she. Eight of a middle find so he argues. The boycott is illegal because it obstructed interstate commerce in us mail and us. Mail is the key. Us mail is big fucking deal. All right. everyone's like the male must go through and so that's a big thing right right. He told the river agent in chicago that the us was going to crush the strike there because failure in chicago would assure it wouldn't spread everywhere else. Right you're going to the epicenter has but he's more worried about you. Know chicago is really shutdown compared to other places so he's worried that will happen everywhere and it's and it's getting heated in other. You know california oakland. There's a lot of fighting on. It's it's definitely getting heated in other places. Right okay a. Us attorney goes to a gm meeting and assures them of attorney general only support and then he asks them as us attorney to hand over the names of strikers who were stopping the mail. This is really cool and fair. And that's what i love about. It is that it's fair. it's i know when i cheated on my wife. I suggested we go into counseling. And i'll be therapy. It's also win like the way the males really important wink wink. Yeah yeah right. It's direct collusion between the government and the businesses. Yes it's what we call the economy. Eugene debs gave specific instructions to strikers boycotters trains carrying mail cars. Were to be allowed through so any train with mail goes through okay. So mail is males off limits. Its that important. and yet. Some have been delayed in indiana idaho in san francisco but most mail is getting through some cows. La going through. I feel like we're going to find a wedge. Now they've been hiring scabs since the beginning but scabs and different steady city start. Quitting summer even joining the union should just be viewing scab felix too but in other places like omaha. Workers are refusing to boycott or strike in denver. Trained engineers convinced the porters who had been rejected by the air you to couple pullman cars so this is this is the. This is the point. Where when when the air you didn't vote to bring in black porters that they're now paying for that paying the price right so black. Newspapers are not supporting the strike. They're saying fuck this shit. Some black journalists strike a man's war. Yeah you just you cannot have exclusivity with class and like you know. It's it's yeah it's again it's it's always astounding. How racist americans can be. There's no there's no ceiling it's impressive. It is so supervisors started coupling mail cars to the back of pullman cars so they're basically just like what are you gonna do now. What a quandary right off. The pullman cars detached the mail car would be to Then they put mel cars on all suburban passenger trains which brought those trains under federal protection. So they're just using the mail cars. Yeah they're just right there just finding wiggle room to make it and really i mean essentially like what they are doing is setting it up. So that if they're like that once bullshit has called that it's fully on the strike yorkers fully their issue so chief. Us marshal john arnold recruits five thousand marshals in chicago. Okay at first. He's just picking random dudes off the street. Smart that's good but railroad managers convinced him. It'd be better to pick from their their workers and they pick their. i mean. imagine being that blind to begin with like. Oh that's a good idea. Yeah that probably. They've liked the okay right well because that right. He's picking guys that are want kick ass off the street. He's not he's picking he's like. Do you like to hurt people right. He's picked beaters and clubbers is believed the possess we've referred to the mess so so they start picking from the railroad workers who are supportive. Strongest guys devoted. They swear them in. Give them a us marshals badge gun. I believe the medical term is boot lick a badge a gun and then send them out to a strikers. Well yeah. I mean you'll never you'll never be able to compete with giving people power over other people in this. It's the way of manufacturing status there so these guys that are being taken out of the river. Ranks are being paid by the railroads and at the same time are authorized to arrest and use deadly force. Jesus christ okay. On several occasions chicago police arrested the marshalls for quote indiscriminate shooting. Well i mean so. That used to be illegal in interesting. A union leader in chicago spoke to a group of chicago northwestern rail union men and at this point. He's angry and he called george the quote rottenest hearted into individual who ever stood on american soil. And then he yelled. I'd like to see 'em hong and the men's started chanting. Let's hang him. Oh oh dear owner. Somebody's but as this is going on. More and more people are joining the union. They're saying this powerful right. So the chief u. s. marshal sends marshalls by stage cokes. To places important in the strike effort where strikers move trains and remove and move cars and switch carsl cars through right. those places. Strikers in one of those places had attacked a scab and threatened to kill a scab crew and in hammond had stopped a train carrying pullman. Dining car moves it onto a sidetrack then boarded it and feasted on the stakes ice cream and champion out. Those guys win. Those is i know it is and it's like it's unfortunate that that's like the littlest victory where like. Yeah they they're lobster. That's like it's so little but it is just anything to just dentist interesting about much joy. Those guys were getting like. Yeah yeah no yes exactly. Yeah the strike has a lot of support around the country railroad magnates. They're hated the railroad guys are just hated even by other businessmen because they're greedy is poor management their monopolies right must be hard to be a railroad magnate steal. You're gonna at is true all right to it and it is true hard to get up from. You know you'll stick right. Yeah you stick to it anyway. Good sticky. i'll. I'll handle the comedy like this and then just you plow magnets work. Well i'll tell you can't put two of them next to each other. They be ready. Just move away from you if you try to get them difficult to their magnetic. I'm going to go yeah please. New newspapers are against the strike. And and the air you. But they're still ripping into george pullman for stubbornly refusing to arbitrate. What a weird little line. It really is. It's completely bizarre. But he's so evil that you can't deny you can't just he's he's yes but you can defend his practice. It's really weird. They want they want to have a less brutal capitalism. That's not so blatant. But they need right. They right essentially The choice not to arbitrate looks worse and worse as the strike goes on the press started calling palm and cold blooded coldhearted. Solis deb's called him as a horse. Leech than did he start wearing a fuck off. He got a headband. The wrote fuck off on just wore that around. Yeah a strike spokesman explained why they were striking quote. We do not expect the company to concede our demands. We didn't we do not know what the outcome will be. And in fact we do not care much we do know. We are working for less wages. Then we'll maintain ourselves and our families in the necessaries of life and on that proposition. We absolutely refuse to work any longer. So they're just saying like it's just untenable even if we lose it doesn't fucking matter because we're not able to survive anyway so it's fucking point. Well yeah i mean if the stakes for the people who are striking are so much higher. Because you're just like yeah. Well no we're like trying to survive. We can't we can't see why it's a pretty nice negotiating tactic so on monday. July second to anti union judges on the us circuit court issued a very broad injunction that had been written by attorney general. Only the the the unbiased raddatz christ we call it so basically a railroad guide got a law passed when the police investigate themselves. Yes that's right. It turns out we actually found out no no. It's actual wrongdoing. Really crazy added that go internal. So the injection restrained commanded an enjoins organizer eugene debs the aru and all other persons combining and conspiring with them from interfering or encouraging anyone to interfere with railroad traffic. Easy what i mean again. how like. it's just it's crazy they. They're essentially saying that. The union leaders cannot communicate with any union members. So and it's just amazing how we miss freedom of speech. It's like one of the things that we're like. That's what makes us different and yet it's like the thing that we're like still basically not allowed to do if it affects the establishment. That's right yeah. So it this. This order basically may what was perfectly legal in normal times now illegal once a man committed for red and act like suggesting to a friend that he stay home from work he could be arrested and locked up. One of the judges called it a quote gasping gun on paper gasoline gun on paper. Yeah he's basically saying it's like a fucking machine gun to muller buddy down it's an order. It's it's an order to just take everybody get Sorry i thought you said gun okay. It's like a gatling gun on paper Yeah so right the i could be gathering gumbo. Kelso be gasping. Gone could be different from the time. I don't know inca. I feel like could be gatling gun on. Paper could be either way. What we're saying is they've weaponized law and that's cool. That's one of the judges saying that. And that's cool to that because that's cool. It's very cool. Shows that they're being fair again. The system is fair question. It it's good for you part of it. Just don't ever need too much and then it's perfect as long as you're not one of these whiny writers like i need rights. Then it's tough but if you're what are these people that just shuts up and goes to work is going to be great for you. The chicago sun-times said the order was not to prevent people from interfering with trains but to quote lay a foundation for calling out. us troops. it's called the shut the fuck up. Act that day. Chief marshal arnold and a sheriff took a hundred and thirty five deputies men to the blue island railroad yards chicago. Where train had been derailed. On saturday night as they approached a warning bell was rung by sentinel and over two thousand and then came and gathered within minutes. This is two thousand of the workers and others it's supporters not just right right that's how you use a bell by the way. Yeah also since the court order forbid deb's from communicating with anyone on the ground. He had to stop. Somebody could communicate through our. He's saying he's trying to tell us something. What is it we're moving. They're coming closer. He'd been spending all this time telling everyone to remain calm sending out telegrams everyone calmed down. This is going to be fine. Like that's what he's been doing so now he's not now. He's not allowed to do that right. So for what and okay. Go ahead so five. Passenger trains have been stuck at blue island rail yard for a day and a half the marshalls tried to move them. The crowd stop them. Standing one hundred deep across the track to not let them near a fight breaks out. Marshals deputies start suing and their clubs the dragging people out of the crowd and arresting them. But then they're they're fellow. Strikers would pull them out and free them. a train. engineer was hit in the head by a stone. Men pulled coupling pins to break the train in separate cars after. Dozens of deputies quote literally fell over one or another in their rush to the rear. They gave up so they beat back the deputies the they beat them back right flag. Good good the old blood and fled the bleed fleet bleeding fleet so arnold chief marshal than on a male car and he says he's gonna read an order from the federal government. Wouldn't that be a good way to start like. Isn't that the wrong order. Shouldn't you do that and they'd be like oh no violence instead. He's like eyelids us. Sort of a bitch. I think we're going to try to talk to him. Well at first everyone. Everyone listens quietly. They're like okay this to say and he says quote. I command you in the name of the president of the united states to disperse Go to your homes. We don't have any anymore. You prick and then they just lose it to hell with the courts and we are the government and they drag bad baggage cars across the tracks to stop any trains from passing man. So the power arnold. The wires only quote. I'm here blue island. Having read the order of the court to the rioters and they simply who'd at it mail trains are in great danger. Yes we've got to watch out for the lives of these train cars. So the corner order also allowed president cleveland to send troops into chicago from fort sheridan fifty miles away. Okay wow now it's lau. I mean it's like we're always in a civil war. It's just some times it's official. I mean yeah i mean. Labor versus capital is always. Yeah constantly now class. I mean it's not a coincidence. That for charity his fifty miles away from chicago. Four sheridan had actually been a pet project of a guy named george pullman. Are you kids. So he's got the pullman army. Jeff bezos is going to need to change his shorts of. Here's they'll be like. Oh there's just come just covered george another chicago businessman after the haymarket bombing. They thought that troops the closest ships were at fort leavenworth. So they're like that's too far away so they sent so they sent a civil the fork. It's called fort. Pullman pullman we now have a fucking army pullman. It's now officially crazy because we have an army bullman. It's a whole art bulletin. So they send a civil war hero to washington to lobby for a fort closer to chicago and they got it man. And now they're proven right. Well yes technically. Yes the commander of the troops asked president cleveland if he should order as it pullman. Cleveland pulled book leave with both that. If he should order to fire on rioting strikers cleveland respond in man responds. The commander should quote. Be the judge on questions of that kind man. Oh man that is so fucking crazy. And the commander is lily's says things like and we'll start shooting and not stop until we want sure well day. If you normally find that those people at the army heads are pretty called a guy who's like. Hey can i know. American citizens the guys find us at your own discretion. Okay because i'm going to try to kill him. I love killing them. Well if you think it's right. I do think it's right situation by situation. Every situation to me is when we're murder needs to happen. You will see and decide when you get there. I've already predetermined. I won't kill as many people as i can. Good luck on july crazy. That's so crazy. On july third. According to the order they were supposed to return to work pullman. Laborers did not return to work. This meant that they were committing a crime. According to the order and violent one at that only then announced that eugene debs would be arrested on conspiracy charges in contempt of court. The guy who they silence the usually you shut up too much. No that's the crime troops from fort. Sheridan arrive in chicago by train horse and a flat car just after midnight on july for it would be so great if those trains got excited they. They marched through the streets to lakefront park. They were cheered by middle class. Residents are this notion that problem so they arrive outside of pullman that morning at first a quiet sense of defeat by the strikers when this happens is also like a was described as a really weird calmness in the air like a resignation resignation but also like fuck. This is like. It's very interesting sort of fiat. Well when they when you take away everything from people don't be surprised when they fight like they have nothing to lose and then you know the crowns that are gathering. They're not just workers. Now you have just immigrants unemployed people were like. It's it's a gathering of that this representation of many things. Yeah right churn. Class amalgamation troops also sent out around the country different locations in colorado. The governor said the us marshals were being allowed to create a private army. Quote waging an active war in colorado without any decoration thereof by the us and utterly in violation of the law a conservative paper headline the next day read quote governor. Wait on anarchy side like god. Mike he's literally saying you're sending in fucking troops to wage one americans and a conservative papers like okay. Anarchist right antifa and i remember this is this is when people are terrified of anarchists. This is anarchy assassinating and right so when the term anarchy is very loaded. That's cool that they used then. A federal attorney in los angeles told only that open rebellion legitimate possibility in ogden utah strikers set fires in seven different parts of the city right. When troops arrived railroad bridges were burned in carlin. Vada in response to troops. George went and spoke to the press. His version of events was that workers plant had been satisfied until the air. You got in their ears. It's i would down there and walked around and no one said anything. I talked to three people who pay. I pay very well. They said everything was fine. He's basically saying the aarp created the poem strike and it has nothing to do with people not being able to fucking eat any by the way even if it did. That's okay it's okay. You're allowed to do that. Judge refused to give into the demand for arbitration saying quote the pullman company could not settle the strike. Now if it could it is now in others hands. So he's saying it's just there's nothing we can do is the pullman company what are we gonna pay better very very much how we're handling climate change where they just go. It's not there it's not. They're not there well. Now that it's here. I don't know what we can do about it. He continued to say that he had a right to set his own wages and rents as he chose quote the question. My mind has resolved itself to this show. The railroads be permitted to manage their own business. Or should they turn it over into the hands of deb's howard and the american railway union. I know the answer is a rhetorical. They should turn it over. Actually they should totally be working owned. Yes i think yet a lot of search. That's that's pretty good for a. Hey what if the what. If it was turned over to those people. Do you think that there be fucking fighting in the street and all the do you remember. The term bone sue so the next morning. The mood changed as the sun rose. A mob of thousands of workers appeared over the horizon of poelman. I'm picturing nice fog long. Shot as they sort of crest over the hill day for seeing him silhouetted bangles swipes flies. Low a. sick eagle a railroad agent shot to in a crowd on the illinois central line. Wow the crowd at the yard that sorry. That just happened right away. A guy in the morning away in the morning the look the troops came and then everyone is like fuck this. I mean basically. You had a situation where there was a strike and now they're bringing people into kill them and everyone's like fuck this shit. It's the spark. Having the troops there is the spark. Yes right at pullman. Armed troops stood their ground. So the mob overturn railcars burn station houses and went on a rampage. That lasted at least three miles. Along the coastline of lake michigan. They torched buildings and railcars full of merchandise as the morning progressed. The crowd swelled to ten thousand and now outnumbered troops three to what. And what are the troops doing. They're just of letting it happen and now they're trying to stop it but it's just too big. I mean it's just overwhelming. Right right yeah. President cleveland was supervising everything from washington and he ordered the illinois national guard and more troops from bordering states to converge on poelman in chicago. All through the night fires grew in the crowd became more disorderly an irradiated. The local police reported that at least twenty men were killed as fires. Raged and buildings crumbled crazy that night. The white city the would iron and plaster structure that had housed the colombian the year before was burned out. But again that's as we stated before. That just sounds like oh. Why did they do that but again. The opulence the it's a rich a rich fair for rich people right. Yeah then are burning. If there's any time to get the screw jacks back. It's for this occasion. Just move the things you know. Jenga the situation newspaper headlines. The next day mob will as long educated angry for some reason again. Riers defy uncle sam's troops the poor hate america. Can you believe it. A regular regulars powerless before. Chicago's riot is army. And then my favorite guns on them not wait. What is that one. Guns are them not. Oh i mean like i could still. I would still be able to read these. Be like these are good things that are like these are people who are fighting hard guns autumn. Not the workers didn't care. They kept going on the next day. The crowds overturned one hundred fifty empty boxcars on a mile. Long stretch of tracks near the stockyards said fired isolated switching towers and other places like hulk level damage. It's crazy under fifty cars in a day the arson spreader in the afternoon. By nightfall roaring wall of fire had formed along the tracks from fifty fifty to sixty first street a few blocks west of the site of the fair six six blocks of a fire cars filled with meat and relief provision meant to help the pullman strikers burned okay but some of the coal cars are really burning. It's gonna happen. I i apologize that we did that. If you can get some of the early just deliciously braced falling off the bone More than one person noted that the seven hundred freight cars that burned along the panhandle road outside the stockyard seemed to be be set on fire quietly and systematically Interesting the accusation would be put out there but never never proven that the railroads had hired provocateurs to ramp up the riots and do more arson so it does come down to the again like the optics of damaging property. Yeah i mean look we saw it in black lives matter cop cops clearly dressing up in black year and breaking windows and stuff we we. We've seen it. It's it's what it's what it's what they've always done against unions and union actions. They send guys into do bad shit right. It's just part of the game. It always has been and it's also it's like. I mean like i understand being even if it's not like being upset by riots the how do you not understand what's happening. It's like if you keep breaking the back of people they will you know there's going to be. Some damage is going to be collateral damage. People it's very strange to me. That people don't seem to understand this to fight. Capitalism is to armitt its ability to make profit and the way to harm its ability to make providence to destroy property. That's yes well. What if the target duty you. It's like well we don't have much. I mean i don't know how you penetrate the impenetrable. I mean when you tell people not to harm property you're basically saying don't don't find capitalism the way you can do the most harm to it. I mean essentially. Yeah so anyway. So a lot of the targets of arson turn out to be worn out and surplus freight cars without any pullman cars attached. So that's another thing that's like. Well that's weird that that's burning their avoiding pullman cars and go after cars that don't really matter sounds pullman. Where's sure lucky somehow. Shh shh shh also fire. Department officials reported that when firefighters put out blazes on the night quote they caught in the act of cutting the hose and that these men were the badges of deputy marshals. Well i mean. That's just slopping. Take up your badgett's yeah you're put in your pocket for god's sake so no previous day before the six had damage to property ben more than four thousand dollars. Well that changed. Well yeah on the six. It was three hundred and forty thousand dollars a bit of a. it's a it's higher. It's higher by a bit. Yeah the corporations then announced the intended to sue the city for one million in damages because police had failed to protect their property. And now more people like okay. Well that's even more suspicious like you're now you're like oh we're gonna be fine. We'll make money. We'll make our money right that night. The illinois national guard had rocks thrown at them by some teens and their captain told them to load their rifles. And that i mean what are you kidding. That is just. I mean again like come on. The job is peace threw rocks at us. Well it's time to start killing. Yes so when that happened. It caused more people. The common see what was going on and pretty soon. Several thousand people are there and they start throwing stones at the guard. The cops are there now. The cop shoot over the head of the crowd. People get mara angry when that happens they start throwing more stuff and then a guardsman gets hit by a large stone and knocked out and the captain gave the order to fire. They shot into the crowd. People drop all hell breaks loose. One man who was there then ensued the real writing. I mean i feel like we've really heard a lot older okay. So now it's just street. Battles soldiers are charging at crowds with bayonets and just stabbing people. People are fighting back. It spreads out it's happening in alleys in streets. They're kicking in cops kicking in doors of billiard rooms where people are trying to hide and people like. There's just blood all over the floor that would be my move. Just take the cue. I'll go one off the cush. Hello officer what seems to be. The issue is just trying to get the one ball in the corner off the cushion. People are shooting guns out of apartments at the cops. Cops are shooting is many who were shot. Were taken to homes and their desks. Were never reported because there these insular immigrant communities a lot of people say that they were being counted as cova deaths. Numbers got so at night lately. Six were dead but it could be much higher. Could be up to the thirties right because you're not counting that that basic street triage. Yeah and the chicago. Tribune headline was quote day of blood. So the papers are finally finding the right the right to had not very biased. That that is so crazy though like the the you see that that happens. It's just crazy when that happens when it's just like okay. Just shoot at them. I mean it's just not yet. It's really crazy so remember georgia's vacation and new jersey on the jersey shore. Gosh i hope that he could not hear any of the gunfire. I know he was far away. But good lord david. He's trying to relax guineas done nothing wrong. Nothing wrong nothing wrong. So he heads to his vacation home in up in new york castle rest restaurant he told a reporter he did not feel up to giving an interview quote. I am so worn out and tired the he would understand. I feel like i've been shot. That's tired i am. I feel like blood is draining for me. i'm exhausted. The strike has gone beyond me. And i could say little to me at this point if spin. There's seen it move on. Good lord i'll tell you the only thing i'd be interested in is getting some rest in a pullman diamond car pullman diamond cars unbelievable beds and rest areas pullman dip some lobster into that butter then put an oyster in your mouth and choose some cheese pullman bullman diamond cars pullman. I'm the real. Thick pressure is now building to call for a general strike. Yes the building and trains. Council representing twenty-five thousand workers voted for sympathy strike and calling for a nationwide general strike david on july eighth in hammond indiana so fired into a crowd blocking trains. The mayor quote. I would like to know by what authority. Us troops came in here and shoot our citizens without the slightest warning. We finally late like yes fair. In spring valley illinois troops fired into a crowd killing to detroit. Mayor kosin pingree traveled to chicago with telegrams from the mayors of fifty cities urging palman to negotiate a cell settlement. I would but just so tired. I've been in the pool all day. You know how the son gets you. Everyone got the same answer quote. Nothing to arbitrate. Wow you know. I just hope. There's a point in the story where someone's pouring oil into his mouth saying. There's nothing to arbitrate to arbitrate chicago. Aldermen met with wicks in her. That same thing again he is. He was shocked. The company wouldn't budge with everything. That's going on. I mean it's it's battles in the street and they're like yeah but i mean to to what like we've been saying. I mean as far as general impact upon this person's life. It's not my absolutely nothing. Wicks told the ultimate quote. There's a principle involved in this matter which the pullman company will not surrender. We must manage our own business. We cannot allow our employees to do it for us. They're not we nanjing. They're asking for a living fucking wage. We do not negotiate with terrorists lunatic ludicrous. What they're asking for unbelievable it's disgusting The greed of these workers. This is why they don't deserve summer homes. of course. president. Cleveland now sent more troops eight. Infantry companies around the country awesome. Good work by gillette tenth. The militia had broken the blockade of trains in the stockyard. So all of these all of these armies and deputies and they started finally start breaking through and getting the stockyards right right right. Federal marshals on july tenth plundered the office. They went in. They seized books and documents. In mail and notes. The department of justice would later call this completely illegal. Oh interesting because it sounds highly illegal on july eleventh using deb's was arrested and he would be sentenced to six months in illinois jail. What did he do you. Shut up he you know he. Yeah is to them. I mean yeah. I know what he did. But it's like what did they get him on anything new you know. It was conspiracy to be cool. I think the right. Yeah possession of empathy. Now before he's jailed. He tried to call for general strike. He he really saw the writing on the wall he was like this is a fucking thing that can change right. Everything right doesn't happen. The other national unions like the afl and the to labor refused to join the military nation. Deb's arrests and the breakdown of communication between the strike committee throughout the country and the hard line stance of the pullman company just unified the will of the general managers association and then the the riott fever was quieting down. And and that 'cause they are you boycott to collapse it just takes so much. I mean it's just take so much you've gotta be able to give much. I mean really. there was. There was momentum. Everything was moving towards this. It looked like a general strike. Could be a thing and then really the afl killed it. I mean really. Yeah yeah i mean. It's very much like the you know. Yeah it's it's it's from an emotional standpoint. it's it feels like betrayal if you're out there boycotting and striking and then the other union is like you're on your own. The unions have to support each other and work together and fight together. And if they don't then it's your deflating the balloon well and and it eventually comes like that temporary decision to not disrupt your life temporarily or your union temporarily is good for you in the moment but look at where we are now and where you know. We've been long term that is the downside is that they will they. I mean it just the second that you have a strong union. They're trying they're trying to break into it. They're trying to break it down. They want it gone like so. It takes everything you being stalked by capitalism on july for the chicago. Tribune headline read dabs. Strike dead on july eighteenth. The army was ordered to leave now. People kept dying instances around the country. There is still stuff. Flaring up and the illinois governor visited pullman illinois governor was very labor friendly and and really mad it poelman and president cleveland. Right so he visits poelman and it's a nightmare. People are starving he. He visits the he asked. George pullman quote. I assume that you will not be willing to see them. Perish at finally. In georgia's answer was basically well. It's their fault. I can't do this. What am i supposed to do. Put food in them. The governor then put out for charities to help and newspapers. That's how you know. Things are good. Newspapers jumped on it. People responded georgia's refusal to help those people would never be forgotten. He would be viewed as a monster. Good god man. I mean so. President cleveland appointed a three member strike commission to investigate the events. I think that was legally legally. He had to do that right. I was gonna say. I mean it's like a really. I'd tell me who who was at fault here. President cleveland the decision that president cleveland. Out me the commission found. George pullman policy left his workers quote without local attachments or any interested responsibility in the town. It's business tenements. our surroundings. His that's putting it nicely. His ultimate design was far from offering a a great social order. Instead it had torn the entire country apart so he he was trying to curate the perfect capitalist community and what he did was fucking destroy a country he. He created the perfect capitalist community. That's essentially what he did they. The commission criticize the company's refusal to arbitrate saying they were quote impressed with the belief by the evidence and by the attended circumstances as disclosed that a different policy would have prevented the loss of life and great loss of property and wages occasioned by the strike. The secretary of state of the us called for george pullman to resign from his company. Wow now george was questioned by the strike commission. How old is he now. He's in early sixties. He's one hundred thirty okay They asked why he created the poelman and he read a prepared answer quote working. I want l. I want all the stuff. I want it. All i deserve all the things in the stuff quote working. People are the most important element which enters into the successful operation of any manufacturing enterprise. The townie said was an attempt to attract the best class of mechanics and he wanted to eliminate baneful influences which he meant. How honesty's he many saloons and brothels and quote other bad places so that was why he refused to let the employees by their homes because he thought they might use it for naughty things right. Yeah so he could. He could kick it out any bad element at any time. Yeah that's how you create the. Yeah that's how you do it dave. You just make sure that you know people's personal intimate details and then you're able to decide if they will be part of your nightmare factor and that was part of what the spies doing. They were keeping an eye on people to make sure that they were in their homes during the proper. Thefts falling in line right. Oh my god. And then he told the commission. Craig l. my god. And then he told the commission again he just says this like it's normal that he wanted to earn a reasonable six percent but never had he had only got a return. A three point eight two percent. He fucking says it out loud again as if it's not the crazy again it it is it just sh- it's like you're just so insulated by your class so by choosing to ignore everything by choosing to not listen to anybody by deciding that you deserve all these things you don't you're not ready to talk to the regular world. You're not ready to say the things that you actually think. Because they're fucking crazy. Yeah it's like what. George bush went to the grocery store and didn't know what the scanner yes. It was like just you know. Just don't go to the store. You idiot don't pretend so. The commission's like look since you since the company made so much money. They have quote born some of the losses for employees who had been working for a long time. And no no. That's that would seem like a gift to the workers and he did not handle this. I don't give out gifts pullman. it's all about me pullman. The cars are now filled with money going directly to the train station in my pocket. Bullman quote it was simply a matter of business and then he says just disgusting. I mean that essentially is why. Jeff bezos is allowed to be where he is now. Because this is the you are in this game. It is to acquire everything so there's nothing wrong with the man who's doing it the best. He said it's not true that the workers were not getting a living wage because they were living on it and they currently are. They were eating. They were making bone soup. You animals god and then it commission want to know why he went arbitrate quote it was the principal involve the principle that a man should have the right to bandages own property. It's not property it's human beings it's labor you fuck. Yeah no i mean it makes you wish that hitler hadn't killed himself to just hear what he had to say. You know what what walk. We through why it was okay. Let me hear your pin. After his testimony george mansion and spent the next four days in bed due to exhaustion and nervous depression just so tired from being accused of the things i've done. It's just exhausting under that microscope where people are evaluating the crimes against humanity that i've committed so oh oh so lightheaded from big the worst over the next years george keeps working. He's making money manipulating stocks. He tries to create cracker and match monopolies. But he's always tired. he's always irritable. He's frequently getting sick. He has daily headaches. His friends are talking by in his back that the whole thing could have been avoided but he was stubborn. He's crossed off the guest list. The fancy parties in june eighteen ninety seven it was the pohlmann's thirtieth anniversary as as a couple had gave george a sterling. Silver toilet said. Oh my what it's thirty. It's the thirtieth it's silver. So what about. Yeah yeah you know. That's the thirtieth where we celebrate my husband's bowel wondering if it's like a toilet side. It's like a brush a comb. I picturing a seats. Yeah i think that's bad. Don't know why. I'm picturing little spoons. Just the elites are like. Yeah give this to the poor's see if they'll use some of the fecal spoons intern. I was born with a silver spoon in my intern. George gave hattie nothing. cool cool. Well i mean it makes you feel like all right. It wasn't just to deplores soon after he picked out his burial plot in a cemetery. Oh my god it's going to be a disney world. Few months later. Joe chatty fought and he came back from new jersey alone and a couple of days later he died alone to sleep at the age of sixty six on october. Nineteenth as he requested workman at graceland cemetery dug an underground vault lined with concrete into which they to what his gets a tomb lead lined coffin which is wrapped in paper. So he i mean the dude is a shut us this guy making the pope mobile grave. He's like that concerned about people up routing him and burning him or cook yes yes fucking him or whatever it is and i want an armed guard of goals. I'm looking for the king tut. Is that possible. The coffin was coated with hot asphalt. They bolted iron rails across the top of the vault then. They poured on more concrete. It all took two days. He was just worried that the the people from the strike would come in dig up and she shows you. He knows how fucking wrong he was. It's it's the dumbest on eight levels. Yeah one is the admission of clearly. How hated you are and the other is caring so much about your body will never understand why anybody cares about their body. I shoot yourself to space. Yeah yeah whatever you're dead. Who gives a shit what happens. Yeah i dave. I've said it repeatedly stuff me and keep me going. I wanna be at all the events. I want to be doing this stuff and again wanna be their time of course timing to the back of a truck and just drive across the country drag you drag you until you're nothing but whatever leash we've just yeah jill until until we're able to make soup bodes so his assembles bone. His estate was estimated at seventy million. Which then like now money. That's just fucking crazy is will georgia's very kind daughters. But let his wife much less than an equal share. So hattie's he didn't like her. Yeah it's very strange with. The problem is with her her dower rights which gives us surviving spouse enlarged share the property so she used a law dow rights. Whatever but she did that mostly she so she could supporters sons because the twins george junior and sanger did not get a lot in the will because they were the degenerate shit. They were the trump sense. Yeah as teenagers. The head promoted pit bull fights and were often seen riding on chicago in cabs. Fill the champagne bottles. I love how that is frowned upon in his household. Like what that is what you're doing replaced pit bull with human being. They went to harvard training school and ranked one hundred and forty seven one hundred forty eight out of a class of one hundred and forty eight students. I love that they were the bottom two so great so there really is. I mean holy shit talk about belonging and his silver toilet. Were taken out of that school inside to an exclusive boarding school. But there's schoolmates they're hated them because there are so arrogant they are only there for one term. Oh my god they would for years be in newspapers across the world reporting on their affairs drunken antics and their money problems so georgia now they would have over two million twitter followers so when george died they were only twenty two but he was already just like fuck these guys ready gave them each a yearly stipend of three thousand dollars. Wow they publicly. They publicly said they're not gonna fight the terms of the will george. Junior's fiancee broke off the engagement. After the will was revealed. Love is so strong true. Love can be so fixed after having an affair with a married woman. George junior then secretly married. His twin brothers fiancee. Oh god so. We know who one hundred forty eight his brother. What did you guys were seen each other the whole time. Yeah you idiot. thank god for you. His brother's sanger then moved in with a woman that no one knows who they were but that relationship ended. When hattie paid the woman ten thousand dollars to leave and never come back. You know what a job. So how'd you by the home. It's an interesting story. Actually my lord the woman the fiancee who bailed on george junior over the will that she she now comes back but she's married and so's george junior okay okay and george. Junior's wife then leaves him because he starts having an open affair with his and then her husband's sues george junior and wins fifty thousand dollars for breaking up his marriage. Shit wait hold on just to be clear go ahead. There's to the to george kits. One of the george kids steals the other george after he's left for not getting enough in the will. He steals mary's her then the x. Who left the other one because there was not enough money in the will for her got married came back then george who stole his brother's fiancee starts banging the girl who left him because there wasn't enough money in the will and then his current ex brother fiancee wife leaves him because he's banging her and then her husband who finds out that she's fucking extra. She left because she didn't have enough. Money is granted. one. Hundred fifty k fifty k. Crying oh my lord is easier to keep up with the kardashians now. This may surprise you but both brothers alcohol. Ix fr- they were drinking sanger. Almost killed the newsboy. When he went to an alcoholic health clinic on a horse he was drunk and ran over the newsboy. Well that's how you enter. How roy moore was doing is voting. That one day remember. He wrote a horse To to your alcohol treatment. You're drunkenly ride a horse. You almost kill a newsboy sir. Are you sure you wanna give up. Well i know. I have a problem. He's notoriously bad with money's always in debt. He was kicked out of the new york athletic club for not paying his dues in nineteen a one creditor confiscated sanger's sister-in-law's luggage trying to get him to get george. Junior died of pneumonia in one thousand nine hundred one and sanger died being thrown from a horse in one thousand nine hundred five. They were completely useless. Spawns of solis man and lived like it. I wonder what they're grapes are like. Oh god just to three foot halls. Just a wine glasses. Yeah george left. Arthur wills his longtime assistant and porter on his own private car. Five thousand dollars so about one hundred and sixty thousand today. He left a hundred and twenty five million to the town of pullman to underwrite the pullman free school of manual training vocational institute for children of town residents and employees man. A death double down. But it's also like so that's your. This is why rich people shouldn't be allowed to be philanthropists and stuff because money. What he did was set up a way for kids to learn how to become pullman workers. That's all he set up indoctrination factories. The school was opened from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine till nineteen forty nine. A year after georgia's death the supreme court of illinois ruled that the poem palace car company could not operate a company town. It was sold off within ten years. That's good that they finally figured it out. Once he that's great forty years later the brotherhood of sleeping car. Porters founded by pullman porters became the first labor organization led by african americans to be recognized by the american federation of labor. Most railroad jeans excluded black members until the passage of the civil right acts act. Nine hundred sixty four the city of pullman washington is named georgia's honor. The town expected him to build major roads in pullman but the route went instead to spokane asked about death eugene. Debs offered a simple simple eulogy. He's on equality with toiler is now at least thirty four people died during the pullman strike across the country. Probably many many more right. You know it's it's the most important famous impactful strike labor action in american ac- so references carl smith urban disorder and the shape of belief. The great chicago. Fire the haymarket bomb and the montana pullman as i said jack kelly the edge of anarchy susan. Eleanor hirsch after the strike. Essentially of labels struggle palman thomas cromwell with william phelps failure of the president's from the whiskey rebellion to the war of eighteen twelve to the bay of pigs the iran contra affair jimmy stamp traveling in style and comfort the pullman sleeper car jimmy stamps. A great name. That's a fucking. We signed to major dave. We sign that soup bones. Actually dave we sign up pullman cars the only car will sign here at the pullman cars pullman cars now we'll put a signature on the car pullman. That's incoming bullets fire woman.

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492 - Billy Martin - Part II

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492 - Billy Martin - Part II

"Year this thing to the dull up on the all things comedy net or because this is a by american history. Podcast reach week. I dave anthony is story from american history to my friend. Gareth reynolds has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Back to you at the intro. Dave do though Do you know what the topic is. Let's do it again. Gareth reynolds who. This time is in the second part of topic heated. No in the first part but since it's a two parter now knows what the topic is going to be about. Why are you holding your ear So i can keep contact with the studio while also conducting the show with you. Dave wins last time you saw someone holding their ear when they were. Thanks charlie. that's right back to you guys. go ahead. David hasn't happened since the eighties. Nobody more at eleven tonight. We'll see there again. Go ahead sorry time. Traveling doing the show completely president holding ears. And there's talk of flurries this shake mcdonald's drink because that's the only cog we're going to get. We will have a time where people will only know flurries from the mcdonald's. Drink flirt mcflurry appealing. It was based on this thing. Remember white rain. We laugh because so many people are gonna die back to you guys studio. Sorry about that dave. Anthony got negative. Come on this is where you play the intro and called. It is jim couch. I'm the fucking god. Okay gary care. And this is tickling five part. Could now hit him with the puppy percent. Sick arguments action back. Great how are you would. We don't need to catch up. We just did an episode stop with the sub stuff. I'll dave we've got some shoe that's right everybody. We make our tour return. This thursday. Sorry tuesday september fourteenth. We will be at wise guys in las vegas. Then on the sixteenth. 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Hey everyone at the show from the dollop show that you're listening to it just before we jumped in. I wanted to address. Something that i think is really important this topic that we really find crucial here at the dow up the july. Twenty four thousand nine hundred seventy eight. Billy martin fired Disgrace from the yankees. George steinbrenner the world series but getting drunk in saying shit and and george steinburner getting multiple death threats. People saying that. Never go to the game yankees x. Yankees coming out and saying they're never never step foot in hanky stadium again. People burning tickets outside the stadium. It's fucking man right the next game after he's fired it's a home. Game was still in season. I've forgotten and fans chant. We want billy for twenty straight minutes. Jesus christ that is the ability sometimes for fans this like the person who's always trying to lead the wave the games like you're just sometimes really impressed by the energy of the lunatic fan. I guess one hundred percent and now they're amazing. Yeah reggie didn't play that game. And i assume is because they didn't they thought he'd get booed healthy scratch. Lv scratch mantle ford and other yankees from the team. Never go to the stadium billion. George have a meeting so he calls after like three or four days. go by. It's like great hell that george steinbrenner is crazy. Because you're gonna make that move. You have to be so sure that that is going to work out for you in some way to be on the phone a few days later just like that know shows like in the big it. Yeah it's a big. That's a big back to you. In the studio george tells billy the yankees aren't the yankees without him and and okay so this is billy comeback. Here's streaming down his face. Wally got a boner yeah. There's just a lot was just like everything's good right normal. Yeah yeah no. I know but tau i do it. Yeah yeah good so this is george. Says he wants him back if he agrees to only drink beer. What what a world war it is. It's like the. Ib of sobriety was like it wasn't a thing. Gee remember the ads. The i only drink beer. Ads no okay. So i went online and tried to find them. But i really remember these around this time. They had a. Were all these ads on like. Please stop being such colleague but they they were basically public service because people because much and there was one where the guy was like You know i was. I was drinking two or three six packs. Day just thinking it's just beer and that was the ad was like hey beers alcohol also like it was the craziest fuck reminding people that lay. Hey you know if if you drink a ton of beer it's like liquor numbers what no. No yeah well. I mean even as we've heard in the first part like the ubiquity of alcoholism. It's like. I mean yeah it just it's crazy. Yeah so he hires billy right there. What does the weirdest five days later. But he doesn't tell the jam this. What are we what is like. That's why you don't wanna work for these kind of owners. You know what i mean. What coach bag. But i didn't tell the gm's things are pretty bad and they've already hired another manager so there's a guy did they hired things. Bob lemon you gotta treat it like a mistress manager like we were talking about before. Don't let them know well. Okay you ready. No so the he. George tells the gm and gm's like well. That's fucking crazy. It's like getting married while you're married it's like did you can't do this. Hired a guy. He hasn't done anything wrong. I know i messed up. In some way i agree nobody. We can't walk. You can't fire that guy because people are like. What are you doing care. billy. I just hired billy. You should've higher. Billy i entry but we are where we are. I gotta fight. What am i gonna do. Don't say we combine them into one person and they'll share a by thought you're going to say oh great and even better. That's terrible well. it's better. I'll tell you why i don't know how we're going to get them to share a body you're playing at least like is tethered to reality in some capacity. Don't just don't he doesn't come back to manage. We should dig up a body. So are we saying beijing okay. Different beijing so the gm is like look we keep the guy we just hired until nineteen eighty and then we bring billy back so we announced him now. Now you'll be the new manager in one thousand nine hundred a year and a half away. What's they'll take over the team. What's in everything is resolved because the guy gets to keep his job for a little while and bill coaching for season. And a half or whatever to think of like like they've they've had parents like very clearly but you never like added he's got another season and a half and that he's done what no matter how good we are. One st the franchise it. He's outta here. We got a new guy coming in or planning a ad. Oddly now so they all agreed to this. Great right okay. Well it's nice that we came to meet each other in the middle of this total side thing but the current manager called. Everyone meet called everyone meat so he walk here. How's it going there meet. Hey nice hit. Meet dave i feel physically ill agai flippantly calling addressing us meet. Come and talk to you. Maybe maybe buddy you say me again. I'm literally gonna throw the fact did. That's what's his name for everybody's. But like i say buddy i it's not great but it's not mean me. I may think that ever caught on. So you doing me don't so the next game is all day. So that's where the old guys the right. So billion they announced. Billy at that game is the future. Nineteen eighty manager and the crowd goes crazy. Seven minutes standing ovation. Some people what that's anti totally and say this is really fucking no sense to actually be doing that. It's not like he's getting another job so why not wait play. This goes a little bit. This is fucking insane right. Really strange move. Why are we applauding. This is crazy. I mean we're all clapping but it is very strange. It's fucking strangers. You just not any hiring a guy and then deciding that you're going to bring the guy who fired back in like a year and a half hours zooming say it makes no sense. It shows you that. He knows he messed up by firing him. What that's but. I'd like to see this go through a little bit but this is fucked up. It's fucking nuts. So reggie asks why. He wasn't warned her just as a player. This seems like you guys don't know what you're doing. The outside and george told him quote. Well i didn't have to reggie reggie. Here's the deal. I'm not doing well lately. At those give a shit reggie would later. Call this the worst day of his life. Wow really billy billy a good. Life ability apologizes to george through the press. But he doesn't apologize to reggie right now. George is a hero to because brought the vacuum but after fire. It's like somehow it's a pr coup. Everyone's happy except for reg in reg but the press is also stupid to be like george steinbrenner gets it right. John did the thing he reporters even more civic reporters all think billy's only gonna drink beer from now on right. It was the idea that that is in question again. It's i mean that's a circle back on it. Because i kind of forgot about it but it is just a crazy stipulation that i need you atop form beer beer low let it be blown row so that night billy goes on parties with mantle and ford till six am mickey mantle really puts up some on and off the field The yankees win the world series that year. Wow so it's awkward still going to the year the other guy's ear honey we're gonna get divorced in two years and i'm gonna marry sheila no matter how good this goes. She'll to end up in two years. That's pair yeah. It's just i'm happy. Everybody's happy doctor ask. Reggie became known as mr october for his playoff. Heroics okay so that would be. Because that's like the highlights. That i've seen like right probably right around them when he's just fucking crank cranking. The home runs in the playoffs. So two months later in queen and the naked gun right important stuff. So two months later billy is in reno. He's doing appearance for a basketball coach. Fran like a. I think it's a college team or something. But he's like hey can come in. And he's got like cones with beers and he's like these. You can drink on that count kid come on billy's training so young local reporter interviews billion a bar and billy ship pace and the reporter asks about a yankee trade. That had happened that day. That billy did not know about now. He's not the coach. He's not the coach but he is the heart of the organization. Waiting is and like probably has some sort of position in the front office or whatever. So this really pisses billy off sure. And he tries to get the reporter's notes he's like grabbing adam and trying to snatch the notes away because he regrets that he was so drunk because he no he. Yeah he's mad so he thinks it's like he's being sandbagging. Surprising me with this right okay. And then he punches the reporter twice in the face. sure okay. Great so we'll tell you bones away from this story being tell you stop an interview. Yeah back then. The reporter had chipped teeth and gash above his. I think all the medical expenses like seventy five hundred bucks in other countries. Like what are you talking about. That's right oh we we have a great system. Where if you get punched in the face than you have to pay the hospital. People in this country are like seventy five hundred That is an old fee now. That's not what it looks like. Now it's way higher so the battered reports phase is published in papers across the country. Great okay charges are filed. Though you got the you got the guy he should. He has a nice shiner in the picture. And the george. So the reporter sues him for money on top of it. All distraction faces and george says billy's fate was up to the trial. Outcomes is like what happened to the trial trials. That'll be you know billy so there's a lot of trial george steinbrenner is again making it. A little weird guess it's completely insane the Oh my goodness eyeball is g. Gentlemen they popped. Like i looks like a segel's or like a very strange amore. More upset about the mouth and the mouth. The mazda bother to begin with the most upsetting so so the the negotiations are weird. Because they don't wanna just pay the guy because then it'll make him seem like guilty so they they get. The metal expenses paid through the basketball team. That invited him down to like make. It like see. Mikey didn't actually do anything by the way. This is a good thing for the kids at the camp you're trying to instill some lifelong lessons entities young go-getters and learn about the future. That's sport and had to be proper sportsman or sportswoman and and it's just nice to know that guy chip the reporters teeth across the street on a blackout. So what are your coaching. So the basketball teams ends up paying his medical expenses. And that is supposed to. The agreement is billy will apologize at a press conference to the guy but then billy's reporter goes up and and says oh they agreed on the everyone says they're sorry above by and then has them shake hands everybody before billy apologize so now that puts the report on a really bad situation. He can't be like you're in apologize because it looks everybody like they've shaken hands and made it but i mean i'm not exactly sure where we're going but one would assume that billy would still be like a guy apology but abilities like hey right cheetah g set of a bitch billions thinking of apology right but increased. I bet it was like trying to punch me. But he didn't try to try. He throws in my hand. So that's it. George afterwards says billy his new contract. Well george steinbrenner feels like a good guy. Yankees are bad again. And george fires the manager well before nineteen ninety so billy so manager who won the won the world series now just like he just like with billy out really well for steinbrenner. Who really was making crazy calls like. Oh thank god. We suck so billy's back and he tells right away. Reggie's the key to this team and reggie asked to be traded okay and he just keeps asking to be traded and george finally says quote i keep telling reggie that he should try billy again. The first time. I ate broccoli. I didn't like it the second time. I didn't like it now. It's one of my favorite vegetables. I mean seriously doing what the call them allergies and they is very good. One that analogy reminds me of when i was trying to eat shit. Yes i couldn't do it. And i no matter how many times i try just won't go down. That's right so that's a point. Thanks somehow reggie took this advice and called billy and they talked and then read a billy. You're like broccoli. You know what i'm saying i do. Yeah yeah thanks. Thanks reggie. I go down at. You're you're like a salmon together. We a weird dinner but a good one. Yeah yeah sure broccoli and salmon young. Reggie comes to play the next day now. A few months later. August first thurman munson died when he crashed his private plane. Okay and he's billy's favorite player really catcher. That was the heartbeat of the dea. Billy just crushed thurman to be fair during a moment of silence before the next game reggie convulse in tears in right field. Oh jesus they had such a weird relationship. Is i read. Kuwait were word. And like who was thurman munson and reggie was face reggie with like ha ha like it was all so fucking weird to read. I mean you know this is the seventies and now it's it's obviously forty years later but fifty years but it's still reading. What but i i don't know. But so he reggie is creased. Yeah he's upset by it. But the fucking thurman munson hate him. I don't know it's just. I mean they win together so who knows what you guys are all over the fucking map. Right so the yankees. Don't make the playoffs that year. 'cause obviously that's tragic. Billy's divorce from gretchen is finalized and he needs heather urva lino who is twenty four years old and look sixteen. Everyone is like my god. Billy's standing teenager good bye. Good just i was gonna say just make it look weird. Irs the news now from the outside things already looked really crazy. This'll help creepy. Hit little drunk is dating a teenager. The yankees coaches new girlfriend. She's very young They become very serious and october. He goes to minnesota to hunt with a friend. Sure and while he's in a bar never get this. Feels like this always sets up poorly for all billy. A marshmallow salesman starts telling bennett. Billy as baseball opinion marshmallow. How i answer just curious if you like snacks you like to eat things. I do. Like weird consistencies. Young open to uncommon. Luxuries your love uncommon luxury now as far as a snack goes are open minded by then sir. Allow me to open this briefcase here. Show you what i've got. Look at these things. That looks like something you'd put on your door. Stop it from begging to near. Well right marshmallow. You've seen these before. Oh yeah well. There's something different about these what they come with a curse. No they don't. They're just regular marshmallows. You oughtta by one no curse marsh body soukous one you buy them in twelve twenty four hours. The thirty-six is. Oh you can get marsha the month membership you could become a marsh member you want to be a member sir. No that's where every month. We don't know how many marshmallows we're gonna send. You could be done. It's fifteen dollars a month. Have you ever sold any marshmallows. Sarah are you in are you out. I'm out. I'm going to have to ask you to reconsider. Have you considered put those in bags and selling them in bags bags. That's a lotta overhead when it comes to the bag budget which we don't have. Nobody wants loose marshmallow. Well i mean it's mixed in with some my cards at pens. What am i gonna carry two briefcases. Guess what that sounds now. Now who's great now. Who sounded crazy now. These little look sir. Just shut the fuck up for a minute and listen to me. Do you have any interest in buying a bunch of these marshmallow. No i have more on the car. Where in the car seat in the front see. Yes sitting there in a pile. I mean maybe yeah uh yes. There's a bunch of them. Yes in pile. Well i can't put them on the briefcase with bipeds eggs. I don't. i'm not going to sit here again and break down the bag budget all right. I can't believe you've never met a marshmallow salesman before you acted like that's crazy. It's crazy it's not they sell stored barred them right here offering you a great package be around you. I don't nobody does. Karen laughed so this marshmallow salesman starts telling billy his baseball opinions. You know when you sell marshmallows door to door. You have a lot of time to think. Baseball captures my thoughts including talking about how bad the yankees were that year. Billy finally quote on. Tell you what joe. I bet you five hundred year penny that i can knock you on your ass. And he put five hundred dollars on the bar. The marshmallow salesman quote. Let's go a salesman as they walked out. Billy punched him in the mouth. The hotel police were called the billy toll so then the hotel police like the next day or whatever told the press gets out billy tells. The press salesman fell and cut his lip. As mush fails always falling. That's why they work in such soft materials. George didn't believe billy and he launches an investigation five days later. Billy's fired as yankees manage. The tenure was of what. I don't like not weeks. Not no. it's a long time. They he made it into the next season. So bad a season probably more if if i maybe less but still okay well no. It's about season because it's after now. It's mellow salesman's at a bar. During the day shows you how good the job was going. I mean look. That's just what i mean if you've ever read the the marshmallow salesman chronicles. Yeah very so yeah. So he's fired. Billy billy what years. This is Seventy nine mellow salesman. I think it's eighty so Ability goes back to california hanging out with his family is very despondent very upset. And he's resenting george because he had followed all of georgia's rules he only stuck to beer. He got along with. Reggie no problems with the press. No problems with george. You did tell me. I couldn't a marshmallow. Sales disaster should put down the contract. Well now i know. Don't ruin marshmallow salesman so he thinks the fight thing is just a random unrelated event and has nothing to do with the yankees and was coach. When i beat up the margin uniform on plus if we can't beat up year marshmallow salesman. What are we doing on early. We need to get rid of them now. The open oakland on the oakland. Athletics are terrible tame right. They've lost one hundred games last year. Sports writers called them the oakland pathetic. Sheriff so i'm gonna call those sports writers pathetic yes. This is about getting about thirty seven hundred fans at games and they're just like you could get a row there four years off being one of the best teams of all time you know so they immediately two year contract hundred twenty five thousand dollars his wife. His sister says she's very relaxed and happy and it's hometown right right. So he told the as gets a team together and he goes like you guys. You guys are gonna steal home eight times this year. Stealing home is crazy. Yeah you'd be lucky. Eighteen teams did it right. It's just an insane thing to say. He and they told ricky henderson quote. You're gonna break ty cobb's record for stolen bases in a season ricky's brand new in the league. And he's like by. That's fucking crazy ricky's born and raised in oakland He didn't speak great so people didn't realize he was baseball genius. And and he said to billy quote. That's ninety six basis. Skip and billy said quote. We don't stop until you've got at least one hundred and billy quickly taught how to rattle opponents like he'd done before and this is when it became known as billy ball okay. I thought that was a picture. It's just me was there you know it's very pretty thank you. They still home nine times. That season stealing home is so hard. Because if you're going to steal. I second the pitchers got like you're not in his field of vision but if you're on third base we the whole idea is there's something called the bok bok the is like you don't come to a complete stop when you're pitching right. Start going ganor or you step the wrong way. There's like a bunch of wisdom buck but so you have to be very very strict regimented when you're pitching and if you go off a little bit the plant pirates and extra base and the whole reason one of these do that is to rattle the pitcher so he might balk right it just fox with his mind. He sees you running. He asked to keep his motion the same right but it throws right. Oh yeah so. Yes so nine. Times is create. They stole home twice in one inning. So fancy just on. This is just fucking right. Fans are going crash the hidden ball tricks. They're throwing balls in the dirt discovered so the pitcher can then use it to throw better. They learn how to throw spitballs. Ricky stealing bases like crazy game. Attendance goes up from thirty seven hundred. Twelve thousand k. Ricky quote the other team starts grousing and complaining. They're half angry half embarrassed and we're smiling. I tell you it was fun. So they're having a blast billion ricky iva bond He also being from oakland. He takes care. Ricky and ricky's off k. Not dude he. He calls other players by nicknames. Meat not meet by. Everyone gives the nickname to and a few estimates thought. It was because he didn't know their names right. That's a good move. The man you gotta be good with those nicknames. Let's move what example is later career. He's on a new team and as a teammate. There that just started and the team has batting helmet on. And he goes sean already. He goes he asked him if he always wore the helmet in the field. He doesn't because the guy wears out in the field when he's on defense and he says quote. We had a guy on the mets last year. Who did that to an all. Roads says quote. Yeah ricky that was made as your teammate. For all year. And i wore the helmet. So yeah that hurts. Ricky one's gotta also. He wore the helmet and he got hit in the head. So if you got hit in the head again he would die door. Don't make me feel bad so you really was as a marshmallows. Unbelievable so ricky. One time where he got a one million dollar bonus at the end of the season and after a few months team called because the check hadn't been cashed and ricky had framed it and put it on his wall. Wow with like a break in case some emergency glasses. Wow that's amazing. You do that with the one. I one dollar bill. Whatever look he also goes on to be the best leadoff hitter major league baseball. Like he's amazing. So billy hung out at the danville hotel in a bar where no one bothered him. His new bottom of the barrel right but on the road the fights with the marshmallow salesman and the young reporter gave him a rap right so before he was battling fought on the field and was a tough guy and now he's known as a drunk firefighter okay so he was a marked man just like back in the day in berkeley right drunks. Wanna take on the most famous bar brawler. In america billy quote it would escalate the guy would say. Did you get fired today. Or why don't you take a swimming. come on you. Don't look so tough billy son. Who's older now. Billy sign quote. I watched hundreds of big prison. Guys come up to my dad in a bar and say they're gonna kick his little ass. I'm telling you it never stopped. i'm no. I'm no marshmallow salesman. Billy what you try beating me up. I why it is important that we celebrate the marshmallow and keep his memory alive for future generations. No marshmallow sales yet. No one else is. That was the only one ever. There's never another marshmallow salesman another quote. I remember one night. The guy sitting next to him just flicking his cigarette out on. Billy's arm and hand billy kept asking him to stop. The guy just stared at him and kept flicking the ashes on him. I saw a guy kick another guys asked him a few times and it was. Everyone was like you are within your rights. But so he is as much as he's the brawler he also rolling back holding back when he's not on. The road fans began to pelt him with marshmallows. Oh no i mean the marshmallow guy had to be at home like that's right. You set up a bitch. You beat me up. But i made millions millions. Wow but if you're going to have things thrown at you there's not a lot of better open my mouth think. He's eating all in minnesota hundreds of people during a loss through marshmallows at billy. So they're just in but in new york fans gave him again a standing ovation. They still loved him. He was named manager of the year for improving the as record by twenty nine wins with the exact same players. They didn't allow get a new player as a same team. Twenty nine more wins. They five hundred thousand more fans. They gave him a five year contract. Yeah i was gonna say the next spring training a british rockstar photographer and hung out with the stones and the who came to take pictures of the team. That's right everyone. Yeah you know that hassle. Just not the right vibe for the environment shila bats and things move out of the way. Come on everyone get on the drummer as kick soccer ball. Hey quote. I've been around a lot of crazy shit but billy his coaches and some of the players. They kept up to that level. It was all alcohol based but some of these older guys were serious professional drinkers some mornings at the batting cage. Spring training with the coaches stain. There it didn't smell like alcohol. It's mountlake someone had dumped a court of jim beam on home plate. Wow so they are just fucking. Wow what a crazy. What a crazy just like so counter to what you would think. And athletic oregon. I mean it's just you know. Let's invited paramount into every level of this. I mean that's fuck again so that the as started that season with a seventeen one record and they're drunk and yeah and the coaches and they're fucking and then get this is mike norris on the bees the coke coke. This is like as long as i have some cocaine. I didn't know that cocaine proud time magazine. Put billy on the cover under the headline. It's incredible so he's on time magazines cover because it's just what we need to drink more. We're doing so good kidding. These vodka marsh but in. May billy suspended a week for bumping umpire. You know the empires you were done with billy. That's called bumpier. Umpiring the empires zhang. We're considering suing billy for assault. Okay another. I'm called billy quote. Probably the meanest mo- most unfair man of all on the field k now heather's living in a house in Gated blackwater with her brother. Mother and are so Can ice cream explain. Black blackwater is like a crazy fucking rich housing place that is walled off. And it's in the east bay and it's like just super fucking rich people okay. So he's she's living there with her mother and grandmother at his house and i came. I figure this out like so all. He's everyone's living there but he's not like he'd also stay at the hotels weird. Okay weird to move in. Every member of that is also weird. But she didn't want to go with her family. So and you know if you saw if you saw blackhawk you all right right. Yeah okay in. July nineteen eighty he meets. Jill kuyt was a twenty five year old photographer. Oh dear oh. They're very soon inseparable k. That's going to be a problem because he's separable with someone else right now. I'm sorry he's in the separable thing already but this is a different person. Oh right no. I think that's still. my point. Still stands that they know she's a different so he can be you but he's got the one so you can't be inseparable and carry onto relationships home on. She was his road girlfriend. Touche friend billy thought. He had better morals than his players. Who had one night stands on the roads. Disgusting self erode wife. He probably told them as executive that he only had one woman on the road and wanted home. I keep it predicted where i come from. I'm not looking for any stressor drama as made the playoffs but then for road wife time then they lost the yankees in four games. Okay after at the after party. The yankee greg nettles decked reggie jackson. Okay i one reggie's just awful. Yes fuck it awful. Yeah billy was now more famous than ever sure. Billy ball was trademarked. The team to the prophets but his trademark he had tons of endorsements sears wants to now sell a billy martin casual wear line. Mike yeah the justin cowboy fan legs off. Okay it's gonna be tons of money like this is like this is striking right. So sears sends a private jet to bring him to meeting at their headquarters okay. Unfortunately the jet had scotch on it. So billy shut up wasted and they cancelled the deal. Good good good. Good good good. That's fine it's okay because in late. Nineteen ninety-one the irs said billion two hundred thousand dollars in back taxes. Anything the year it happened. I told you. Remember when i told you. I said you have to pay taxes on. These checks depositing names for commercial matter. I tried to explain. That was in me. I was pretending to be someone. Oh no no no. That's not how it works. You got money as billy martin. All right we'll look. Just tell them. I now know. Tell them them. Yeah who irs. Just tell them you know. Now i get it wherever you saw money like shit. They didn't tell me anything no they didn't have to. Everybody knows that. That's why i told you. I told you. I was like pay taxes. I tone this. They owe me money. Let's go ahead. So he's very distracted by money problems. And he's very distant named scotch on that plane distant spring training that year. That's good for us right yes. He had a trailer outside the left field fence. He just stayed in it for hours. That's good that's how you can coach. Yeah for sure. Just treat it like a like a tornado. That's a twister van The players all feel abandoned and then that year because their coach lives an rv outside. It's not right. Yeah so. The pitchers all start falling apart that year and they'd been the key to ninety one but now they all they all had injuries and people started blaming billion the pitching coach for using them. Too much here before. Okay overusing them. So they're saying it's his fault and one day that season after they lose enough games. Billy comes into his office and just fucking destroys it. Okay billy ball. Tv fridge desk wall. Wireless i mean literally destroys the try to fix it overnight. The owners don't find out but the owners find out right and they start thinking a little unhinged lie because he ruined the office even outlets right. Okay great so after this season they fire. Okay now in november. Billy's manhattan with jill and a photographer takes a picture of them standing very close and it goes in the paper and billy flips. A fuck out. Sure and he's like. I got a call heather and he calls heather and he proposes to her. What the fuck just so crazy. Dudes are just crazy. They are crazy. There's no like the whole situation is nuts but the level of insanity gets himself to just being like if she sees it. You'll like the fear that the relationship can generate a guy like he's completely acting out of fear and it's just the picture where they're not standing like so far away from each penny reason at least let her start it'd be like hey i saw in the paper but instead he's like honey. Look i got to tell you. I have to marry you. Wow so they get married in the same month that he proposed in new orleans like a couple of weeks later they get married. Okay jill is still has road lady though road lady but she didn't know he got married well of course not. That's not on the road now. George george three managers that year alone. Oh my god are they gonna the yankees finished fifth. No george hires billy again. As manager in january third time can't quit him at the first home game fifty five thousand fans cheer and the marketing campaign billions. Back right team knock. Good sure george told reporters. He wouldn't interfere with the team until halfway through the season. He said he wouldn't. That was very good. I won't interfere until the gets important. Then i'll start messing with not gonna fucking with anything until until halfway through and then i'm gonna really just fuck every get crazy. It's so In may he kept. He doesn't make it to the halfway through the season. May he goes into the clubhouse and he scolds the team just tears into him after he leaves. Billy tells the player just fucking ignore players all laugh on july twenty four th. The yankees are playing the kansas city royals and their best player. George brett hits a game winning home run in the final at bat k and the entire team celebrating and as they are billy strolls out to the home plate and asked him to check the bat to see if it was illegal so players could put something called pine tar on bats. So the hand the hand. The randall grit sticky and it couldn't be above eighteen inches because they didn't want pine tar getting on the ball right. Hit right so bills is not really what it's intended for. It's not about hitting it. It's about pintucks about pine tar so you would normally be like. Hey it's getting sticky stuff on the ball when billy makes his request brett yells from the dugout quote if they call me out. You're gonna see four dead empires. Jeez spread learn how to talk. Shit we don't get there right away to burden. It's just like a early aggressive. Be open and they call him out. Well okay because of the pine tar brett loses his fucking mind killing four empires otherwise. He doesn't hold his word. Yeah any storms out of the dugout like a madman to try to get at the empire another pires to grab them by the neck to all them back. I mean he's he's a fucking madman. Okay now the yankees finished that. That's one of the biggest moments in baseball history. Like everyone knows that moment but they just george bread no no one realizes that on the other side of it is billy martin. Being as little fucking genius. Ray is that. Why is it famous just because it's bullshit. It's famous because of george betts reaction. Okay right going okay. okay umpire. Yeah no there's definitely. I like the way that i like. The guy just. Yeah but it's also there's one two three. They're standing on a line like don't worry we'll defend them into line. Yeah so the yankees finished that season. Ninety one seventy one which is a really fucking great record but not enough of the playoffs back right and then george fire short. Whatever well he did fire. He replaced him with yogi berra but he made sure everyone knew. Billy wasn't fired just moved to a new position. Adviser for trades and personnel quotes. I don't like to talk about firing managers. fire them. I re house them. Yes so he's very after the past time the times of firing billy he really doesn't wanna into it and so he's like i did. I did that fired. He's he's new hired is just not there. he's different. Job is in another office with another name plate at the beginning of the next season gills on a plane. When a yankee wife her quote so what are you doing now. That billy's married. And that's how jill found out. Billy was married. Can't believe that's crazy. She goes back to newport beach. And billy flies there and they get into a huge fight on her lawn. And the cops are called and billie is arrested. For public. public drunkenness and disorderly conduct can't get it so now has life heather the yes well. The new york times headline quote martin jailed. As drunk the papers were harsher than they had ever been before because new younger reporters didn't understand why billy hadn't always been reported on as drunk asshole right so there's this change in culture media and culture and they're like what the funky with this drunk either. You're all you know acting like he's awesome. He just drinks beer. I don't know why one one i think it was the. Ap reported that they had fought over a horse and must have been to cover for him because they would cover for ballplayers sure over a horn. Horse fight that happens. Billy told jelly was gonna leave heather and any year. They did they divorced. Jill guy wants you to get your stuff and get out of here and that goes for your mom your dad and your gramma too. Woops crazy jill and billy became closer but his friends and family did not like jill k. Nobody liked joe. They felt like joe. Push them all away from billy kay. She didn't approve of his drinking outings with his buddies. She didn't like the hunting trail at the families. Like you're trying to change and he's full on alcoholic drinking likes. Quit trying to take the billy out of billy. The next season the yankees starts six and ten and yogi berra was fired. Billy was named manager of. I know that george steinbrenner was like this. Like i knew he was crazy. I've enjoyed seinfeld steinbrenner. Nuts nuts but this is not. This is like a guy who's like. How do you get famous for firing people. I know how far he's really out of his fucking razi. Did like i mean you give a guy like eleven games. That'd be like now you're done. I mean just and how many times can fire and hire the same fucking guy. Yeah you know. I should hire. Don't say billy but now fans weren't happy because of how yogi berra was fired. You don't fire guys sixteen games fucking season. That's crazy. there's one hundred sixty two fucking game. Also they were like. How many times is billy going to get hired people. People are disgusted with george runs a team and for the first time when billy was announced it was just a quick ovation and also for the verse time and booing that season. They're in a race to win the division. And it's like this is like ten days of maybe the worst ten days in yankee history. So they have a bad series against the top team and then georgia's up in the press box the next game and he starts reading the stats of several yankees from that series. That didn't do well reading where his play in the press. Box all the press. Okay griffey over eight baylor. Over seven winfield three for eleven quote whereas whereas reggie jackson mistrial tober or mr september winfield. Mr may the big guys are not coming through. The guys were supposed to carry. The team are not carrying the team. Good so good. So that's how that's how you run team. Yes this became known. As georgia's mr may speak for some reason. The team is fucking pissed. Didn't like the just shitting on the personnel. To the people who write about it and particularly dave winfield because david winfield is a guy who would just like run full force into the fence to catch the ball. He gave it his all right and he went three for eleven. Which isn't fucking terrible. That's like three for. That's a good. That's a good series. So the next day george said quote. If they're not embarrassed they should take the uniform off and walk away from the pay window. Okay three double down. The yankees are more pissed. Couple of days. Later billy ass. A right handed batter left handed. The guy been guy never left handed before but he started practicing trying to left handed. And so billy was like hit left handed. He strikes out they lose that game and people think billy's gone absolutely fucking crazy now. The lanky lost six. The yankees have locked lost six in a row and they were in contention to win the division and then there's this pitcher on the team the no one likes he's a redneck. Guy named ed whitson. The players hated the fans hated. He's you know the fans jeered him and nobody fucking likes that. he's so bad under pressure. So they're in this six game losing streak and billy's i cannot have fucking edwardson pitch so he might started. I feel good. i just got too. Cold pitches outages. Get my arm loose. Then i'll be ready. There's water out there right. can i call for. There's no water boy marshmallows. Hope contract respect. So billy tells instead of just saying he's not good at under pressure. Billy says arms hurt okay. So then the press goes ass ed and it's like no mine are arms not fucking hurt arms. Fine egos killing me yet. And now it's fucking furious. So after the game the players are at a at a bar gala. Why atta bar. First time in a charity stuff quote whitson was agitated and talking loudly about billy martin and then whitten starts arguing with a guy at a table next to him. Okay just some random dude share and they get into it and they stand up and again each other's faces and ed grabs him by the throat and it knows martial arts so he grabs the guy by the throat they always say you're not supposed to use that unless you're drunk and billy comes running over to stop it. That may be gas. He gets in between them and he says quote eddie. You're drunk. you don't need this. And then eddie call the billion motherfucker and punched him for abilities. Have been very strange. So now they start fighting okay and sports writers are there watching and just taking first thing i try to do is hurt. His arm to be like raja say can't bend. It is out of his fucking mind screaming throwing punches they get separated and they lead them through the lobby to take them up to their separate rooms. It's pretty amazing. That ones the coach. Now it's so crazy that they have is. They have as arms pinned to his side as they walk him okay but he breaks free and he kicks billion the ball. So hard lifts billy off the ground home. My god what. No this is like mel brooks like this. I mean possible to kick guys ball. So hardy flies adds a thing. Oh my god billy billy crumples to the ground and then he stands up and he takes bits as nuts out. He takes a deep breath and he looks at it and he says quote. Now i'm going to have to kill you. Oh my god. I mean if a guy kicks nut so hard you go off the ground you have to come back with some heat. He knows you knows. You gotta counterpunch. Now i'm afraid i'm going to have to kill you understand and is pushed out of the lobby as billy comes after him. So the way this is described it is described like a crazy monk monkey dodging. Everybody tries to block him. Billy billy is now you put trying to keep him blahdy people who rumble at the pay ball kick butt billy somehow got and harnesses and he takes the fire into his belly and his fist and now he needs to get out makes me straw again. So so he's just dodging and faking and weaving and he gets past the last guy and now there's a group of players who are surrounding ed trying to move them away and billy rushes at the group and they start trying to punch other over everybody and then everybody falls over and a giant pile. Billy hits his head on the ground. The back of his head hits the pavement and so he's days so they grab billy and take him back to the lobby. They take ed over the parking lot. And then they take belly to billy back elevator and they take up to the third floor and as the doors open. The other guy is got ed right there. We're just gonna put that shit out round for no more. So yeah so they go at each other again and and they finally get him separated for the the the all the fighting twenty five minutes. Oh my god in an elevator ride in elevator ride. George hears about it the next morning. I'm gonna hire eddie to be the new manager. George billy a broken arm cuts on his face and back before the game. Reporters asked billy what happened to his arm quote. I heard bowling know. Bowling is those pens. Shatter george conducts another investigation good and then. He announces. Neither guys gonna be punished. Guide your body of this. One was fine. George whatever you wanna do. He's a really wasn't looking for a fight. He was trying to stop a fight. And but i don't know why it isn't punish ed had hit him. I was gonna find it. Well here's the reason because he's not really mad about the fight. He likes it well. He had said a curfew for twelve pm and he's now furious that the players were outright handlebar after midnight. Okay george do you baby. You do you for the rest of his life. Ed never spoke of the fight. Wow jesus the yankees did not make the playoffs. But again they've finished ninety seven and sixty four again amazing record. yes yes. He's got a broken arm their lord and the old you look. so yeah. he's he's an old guy. the dan ackroyd cop behind a guy's not enforcing much so look. That's an amazing record stone on up to make the playoffs because somebody better but everyone's excited about the next season like we share guest. Billy gives i guess. It was tradition for at the last game for the the manager to give a summary of the season in front of the players reporters. Okay so he did and during that. He says he wants a race. He wants a race yet. During the he explains how summer the season how great it went and then he says i want to raise so i got fired before all right okay. Sorry turns out. The irs had put a lien on his salary. Oh a raise raise. Yeah okay what did you think race. Oh no oh. Yeah he wants to raise ed whitson okay. Good sausage county stadium okay. Rumors quickly start the ex yankee lou. Pinella would replace him now. Billy does not go back to heather after the season or even talk to her. He just stops this. This whole thing of having the communicate the end. It's not necessarily people figure it out true you just go away forever. Shell figure it out. How hard can it be easy. What she doesn't have the power of deduction showed notice she files for divorce. The court papers the divorce court papers said he did not come home after the nineteen eighty five and she and what happens. You got figured it out and loop. Annella was made the new manager k. And then fired nine days and this is the higher it must just because he has for raise because he ninety seven sixty four is an amazing record. Well i mean he did get into a fight with it. Had like a family guy fight players so it's sort of like you know i mean so pinellas manager billy is fired. He has moved to baseball assistant to george. Which is totally up job. Great job shepherd. I you can work for him. Directly literally been lean all the information. That steinbrenner doesn't have off of that is just totally. Not real thing. Papers are now using roman numerals for billy's manager stints. Billy was over here one v. Yeah sure but. George gave billy a big raise and wiped out alone that he'd given him a hundred and fifty thousand dollars so he's still like taking care of him. Yeah it's weird billy joel. got engaged. Friends and family were very upset. She took over his finances. She worked as pr the next season. The yankees had a martin day and they retired his number and they re and him later that afternoon. His family came to yankee stadium for the first and only time and while they were there. They follow jill for the entire. That's crazy. That's the first time they've ever been that. That's really billy said to the fans quote. I may not have been the best yankee put on the pinstripes. But i am the proudest. That's like a huge quote. Say so as divorce from heather's finalized his drinking eases up a bit. He has a very quiet season and then october judge announces. Billy is back as manager and have you retired. He retired number. How you know what i mean. He retired his number gender different. God damnit wow five the martin of five. that's crazy. We'll figure out if he's right or not and not over twenty years five years five years so penelas moved to gm then then pinellas the jesus like steinbrenner's like that so we need every the gm instead that's better. I'll my older sister. God damnit billy. Mary's jill a huge wedding the night before the wedding. His friends tried to talk him out of marrying her. And that's always nice. That's my favorite part of a wedding. The night before tried to get the guy to bed. She's shish cycle bro. It's not a psycho. Just don't wanna lose you. Yeah what the fuck man's been nice to see everybody but come on so on may six. They play a game in texas and afterwards billy mickey mantle on a couple of other guys. That's good already. I got a good feeling. Good feel and go out drinking. Got england the end up at a strip club com lace lace. Nice mickey gets so drunk that the other two guys have to escort him home. High can't okay. Billy was left there. Billy was never supposed to be left alone. God this is a manager. He should be very comfortable alone. So he's taking the league in the bathroom and he's at the urinal that's good. At least two guys come in and one hits him on the head with something k. Blackjack we hit him with something. Really fucking hard quote. I've never been jumped like that before. I was still standing there peeing. I had my deal still out. And i wanted to raise. So he's knocked down just kicked and punched and they they dragged him out the back door and they take his head jesus and they drag it across the jagged stucco wall of the building outside god quote. The ear was all but sheared off. Oh my god. They stuck out his ear off. Yeah jesus christ. At the hotel. The yankee crew the players the team organized. There's a bunch of people there and someone pulled the fire alarm so everyone's outside the hotel by the way shadow to the prankster. Good one always always a great prank georgia's in a silk road. Of course he should look like a worm. I cabral's up. Billy rose out covered in blood holding a jacket to his bloody ears. I saw georgia's like okay. This is good so everyone ears coming in another ride. That's why hardy what everybody we'll talk later later. Yeah yeah i'll talk to you later hospital. He needs fifty stitches. He has a swollen eye gash. She huge bruises the ear. Contusion on the back of his skull. He's really fucked billie told reporters. I feel embarrassed because i got caught off guard. I didn't think i'd get hit in the head in the toilet fair fair there. That's like holy ground. mcgee should be able to. You shouldn't be able to attack a urinal no that's true. The police said billy did absolutely nothing to provoke it. George said he was the victim bubba firing him anyway. That's it for you. Because i'm crazy the next day. Billy's in the dugout. The players are amazed and horrified. One said quote. He was really messed up. This time. there was blood-caked in his ear. Along the stitches. It was kind of scary. Like hey skip frankenstein. Oh my god. Blood-caked the blood kate lake. That's here's the deal. Wash it until you until it's coming out from being able to wash time then you can go back. It's not the time to be dry. I think back then. You couldn't get stitches wet right probably by the way. What a great face. Oh don't let these gateway a movie plot now so they go back to new york and reporters are fucking horrified by the payer and the fact that it happened at a strip club made it all worse right. Yeah is rep. Takes another big. Hit george quote. He's a six year old man. And when i saw his ear was hanging he should have been there. He asked us better judgment. Yeah it's true. Yeah that is it's weird. It's not a good look. So a little while after this there in oakland and makes a bad call and billy charges off and throws it out that you set up a batch. Charges tries to throw dirt on him. But it's hard clay so he gets down. Make them vase. He gets down on the ground. And i've seen this and he tries to shovel it right and it just looks embarrassed. Looks like a kid. Sam get enough dirt and just it's it's weird and sad right. Writers are not kind. The new york times asked sports psychologists for pains dili's display in oakland one quote dirt adds another quality filth ultimately meaning contempt. It's an expression of contempt. So they're just yeah shit buried a page. What he's expressing here is displeasure. He the dirt has is basically essentially consciously unconsciously saying to the efficient that he does not believe in what he is saying law. And he's doing that by analogize soil to the consistency of the calls. So it's nuanced. It's difficult to read. It's a bit like a rosetta stone kicking. jeez telling him through action. That merz is my expression of displeasure. Which is wrong your profession absolutely. I paid a lot of money. Which why i am forming. This sort of triangulation here of the clay near your appendages. It's my way of saying. This is a roadblock. I'm not into this. it is dirty. It is filthy. It is below me and he sort of. We've never seen anything quite like. Try to kill your yes absolutely marshalls. But so we've we've made it into this high and it's It's it's it's an objection but it's also a way of sending a message Discounting the opinion and man die. Yes yeah well. Let's that's how that's how the efficient probably felt at the moment but it's very nuanced again. They're not a layman is not going to be wakey-wakey alignment is not going to be able to pick up on something like this good thing. You brought me in for that. So that'll be eight hundred dollars. Please billiards suspended for three games. And the empires were pissed. They wanted a lot more. Sure the empire said. Billy wouldn't be allowed to leave the dugout quote like paralegal we technically jurisdiction over the field quote. He's gonna have to fold his hands shut his mouth and that's it otherwise it's going to be injected. Ejected ejected ejected. Every time for the next couple of weeks that he comes out of the dugout. he'll be ejected. this is the weakest. Hey better follow the rules and if we're going to give them a couple of weeks where he asked to so. They checked him every time he came out. He's still coming out and he essentially his job. Right i mean the man address to come out of the dugout. Like he can't usually does he. Yeah there's times you have to go out to the pitcher. Sometimes i always feel like those are bullshit conversations. I mean essentially going. You think you could still do it. And the guy's like yeah not only. You can't get out of here. So now because the empires writing. Billy george starts taking shots billy again right. Of course george. The team's doing well the team's doing well. That's a relevant georgia. Georgia turns out is upset because he ordered the pictures to do a specific training program everyday but then the team ignored it right because again he has no connection athletics and no understanding reality so he he goes to penelope going to hire going to get rid of bill again. Can you be coach and pinellas. Like i. don't wanna be like billy you keep hiring rehired. He'll be the gm but then then he's like well them an order. I'm gonna hire this guy who's outside the yankees organization and pinellas. You can't hire a non yankee. Not that's i don't even know how that would work second to look like so pinella takes the job and georgia's fired is key and is fire goalies fires and it's alright. Billy's it's the fifteenth yankee manager in fifteen years and they've won a lot of champion and the their record. They have these ninety seven. Ninety one wins like those are crazy. Good season for baseball team. Billy didn't hear about it from george. His lawyer called them right great. He's in shock as fans because the team is fucking doing well. They had a forty twenty eight record. Wow fourth best in major league. Baseball fans attack george on talk radio i think george is just as fetishists other people however say buildings rehab right. They're like well. This guy needs help most worried about him. George george still keeps them on the yankee payroll. He's still got that position advisor or whatever so he goes into meets with george a month later. Georgia's very remorseful but probably because the yankees were not. They immediately were bad as soon as he was not manager. They were good dave he. He'd better not be fucking. Don't how could that is about to hire kim. George gives him a race. I deserve more money for not really being around. So a billy joel moved to a farm in upstate. New york they They install the twenty four karat gold plated journal in the bathroom. Because billy missed the toilet so often late at night. He's probably looking for people to be hammering him in the head every time he goes bathroom. Ptsd yeah yeah. He's got p. t. s. Well done they had a sheep. Aram geese ducks. Billy putters round a tractor. Jili walls off billy. Completely from his family's friends k. Yankees finishing fifth-place k. But he's living in a small town life and he's he's liking it right. It goes and doesn't occasional appearance. Sure every now and then he'd go like murderer a stranger in the woods or something just to get the feeling again he still team adviser. He talks to george on the phone. George fires lou. Pinella hires dallas green. Who's the outsider. Okay right that they were worried about right. And he's terrible okay. He fires green on irish bucky. Dent it's nice to see him. Play the field a little other other talent billie begs him for more active role on the team he goes. I wanna do marijuana pitcher. Billy georgia's idea is to put billy a uniform and just have him round the a mascot even if it's hanging out in the owner's box what sort of weird you're gonna pretend to be you ten years ago. What sort of weird. Well a lot of people think it was georgia's idea of having a manager and waiting for a split decision fire. Oh my god. He has like a lake. How some people hide cigarettes manager in the wings. Panella now managing the new york yankees this for the rest of the game in late november after the season's over georgia and billy talking. His office georgia's a giant mitt chair. And he he makes people senate because it makes them look really small set. Let me know if he's a weird guy office then they walk a ball stand. You're out you get it tiny. No you're in a little bit. I gotta size of me man. You're the small chair. Your little ball. Yeah okay your insides strang and stuffing okay your point of course a little ball okay. So tiny i'm gonna go get out get back. That guy's gone your little ball so they talk in his office and then they go down to the field and then talk some more and then they shake hands and the secrets out. Billy v. one is here take at least six is common if it out does rockies. It's a problem he's calling he's calling the coaches. It's like it's they're in love. Yeah it's really crazy. And they just can't. They can't stop it they can't he's plan for the one thousand nine hundred yankee season ninety then his mom dies okay and he is fucking devastated. Okay inconsolable a childhood friend quote. He kept saying. I'll never be the same his friend. Bill reedy who's now close friend comes up to the farm to hang out. You know my mom died coming out with me. And they had out of town on christmas day and it up drinking it moris. Local bar chur. Billy was hitting the vodka. Hard the for some reason the bartender there was an ex baseball player. it's just also say what. Yeah like cheers. that's right. he's he's very he's just talking about spring training he just fucking thrilled about spring training. Starting they really is. Yeah you know. He's going to be managed. Yeah they leave. The bar readings driving. The pickup truck is going faster. The icy road and slides into a ditch. And billy's neck was broken. Oh shit he got on christmas day. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine. Jill called his son his daughter. And then george in that. Well the irs. We're not gonna fire you're putting the. Irs quickly touched a lien on his estate for unpaid back taxes nice. He would've lived if he had been wearing a seatbelt. Thousands cambio funeral saint patrick's fuck impact like more people that are supposed to be in their street outside thousands of people all these guys he really meant something to like a guy named bob. Presario came from new jersey quote. I was a fan of billy all my life. He stood up for the little guy one of us. That's why we're all here. Also very diverse crowd a on june. Six bucky debt was fired as manager of the yankees hiring jail. We are going to actually employ billy's ear. We found it cyber died on july thirteenth. Two thousand ten. Wow that is quite. isn't that fucking crazy. Yeah it's crazy. That whole that whole life is crazy. I mean it's it's like it's like kill bills. The second one is very different. But it's still totally crazy. Yeah there's there's the whole led thing what leaded gasoline made people more violent right and crazy and this is really. It was drinking right. I mean the. Billy grew up in a really rough time. His mom's a you know a street sex worker. And that's that's gonna lead to. That's gonna loosen fistfights alone right but you know you're raised by. She's probably alcoholic. I would imagine So he has a temper problem but but then he's the guy who cries and everyb- everybody loves him his fucking teams love except for the occasional right jackson but they everybody loves billy the other managers who work under armor like. He's the smartest manager that's ever lived credit. He's so fucking involved. Yeah now. But i mean there are like i mean there are like the whole i mean even players athletes like part of the thing. Sometimes you know finding the way to harness the talent and focus it just scattered. Yeah and so. It's like with someone like this like the passion is what's getting your players motivated and is what's like working your system but it's also the guy who's gonna fuck chip reporters tooth at a bar that he's blackout drunk at like. Yeah you have to if you're the manager to especially his situation steimer. It's like nobody's going to give you baby corrections like they're just letting them do whatever and so you know he's an old dog new tricks really and so he just but yeah it's really crazy it's nights also such a fucked up time although you know we obviously live in effect time now but people were so much. The the fights the alcohol to the level of alcoholism right but kids don't seem to fight as much as we did when we like people would brawl all the time and yeah and i talked to kids now and it's not a thing like it was i mean i i'll bet you that the the idea and it's like road raging like you used to be able to talk shit when you were driving to pedia like he used to be able to. You know you hit a guy with your car on pertinent deserve but but used to be able to like you know be like you fucked up back there but now it's like that now people like i'll kill you okay. Never mind shouldn't do that. Maybe there's some version of that like there is maybe but he no society was much more violent back then. Yeah but also drunk drunk will that and that's the thing you know the the the drank in the dugout the clubhouse and everyone was drinking up in the press box. And then you know in the seventy s came around. And they're all doing fucking speed and there was bowls of speed in like that was helping them get more drunk. Yeah i mean it was. Just i mean they were using speed to sober up essentially. Yeah and now the thing most guys senior smoking a little pot. How dare they that. There's opiates to get hooked on. That's right Yeah no no. It's like when you used to see coaches smoke on the sideline. Now you're like what the fuck is going on. Just insane players are smoking. I mean they can't chew tobacco anymore but this guy was in. Yeah no no. I mean the line between like athlete and regular humus. Oh now you're like no they're different species of human but back then you're like hey guys like also runs zamboni company like you know just like a actual human's cool alcoholism. It's pretty cool. You've enjoyed growing up. Yeah yeah yeah like a lot. Yeah call me. They call me fan number one now. The my grandfather was a huge huge alcoholic and my brother when he tells me stories. He's like he was fun but he was shit face. You know like but that's just how was it wasn't a regular to be like drinking at lunch like every lunch you'd have drinks and that would not be craig he'd go out with someone now and you order drinks. Is everything cool. Do we talk like you would need to be predetermined that you're getting daydream. Out three gin martinis back to the office. i'll drive. They're driving back to the office. Obviously it's really crazy. Well cool cool cool. Well there we go. Finally i've always wondered. I've always wanted to hear the opposing coaches experience on tents beer night so contextualized that world a little bit for me should be the sources hell. Yeah yeah and when you do it say sources a source of Sources source of course of course sources source of course Main book by bill padding. Bill main source is a book by bill. Pennington billy martin. Baseball's flawed genius New york times articles And then a meeting article Called billy brawl. But that one is very pro reggie and it doesn't really but there's some stuff in there. Yeah well there you go. There's there's there's everybody there you go so signing ops is to catch you on the flip side cut it. Cut the fucking thing now cut it cut. I everybody. This is gareth reynolds from the dollar. Podcast this is the show. You're listening to give you some stand updates coming up july twenty second th through the twenty fifth. 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496 - The Essex

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Is that where we're headed when we've suck all the oil out of this will eventually oil. I'm amazed we haven't figured out how to do that yet. But we will. We'll figure out how to turn people in oil. You can sell yourself for like fifty bucks when you die and that'll the church as we can finally throw your own hand into the gas tank. What's right. That's when i'll be like this country is right do it. This worked so nantucket is at the center of the will. You know murder scene share. He started working on ships as a teen. And when he was twenty three he had served on the ship essex for four years as both second mate and then i may and then he was made captain in eighteen nineteen. So he's a super young captain he's mateen gut so he is preparing to dig the ship on a long long trip to the pacific ocean to do some wailing in august. Okay heavy hard to bring a back to shore. No you don't you. They deal with it right there on the boat really put it into barrels on that ship. Yeah george oh sorry. The crew was twenty one men k. Georgia's seventy year. old cousin. Owen coffin was on board the other one f f. I a darker out. George promised his aunt that he would keep. Oh and safe. That guy got this. Make that promise. I'll try real hard. What can go wrong on a boat in the middle of the ocean. Fine should fine. We've really worked out. Most of the king's yes. oh so they. There's eight men from an tuck it and then there's a bunch of guys from cape cod and boston. The nantucket guys are super experience. The other guys pretty inexperienced. They talk so much shit today. I i know more in my pinkie finger about finding like whale oil than you know in your whole for talking about in idiot fucking idiot safe team yes right. Yeah my gay special gay. So the man the mind. The men from nantucket called guys. Green hands right okay green. So essex is it's an eighty seven foot long ship pretty big. Yeah so it. Set sail on august twelve nineteen eighteen on two and half year voyage just catching whales and things went south in about two days. Okay that's good that's good. Yeah so that's good. The essex got hit by a squall so squall giant wind comes through. Sometimes there's lightning and rain but it's like a mostly a win thing that really fucks you up k it was knocked down onto. It's side the boat. And then you do not want to be doing this was to stay up if buzzer sideways. It's the sale. Yeah do you want to get the sales wet that makes a lotta sense so almost sinks they lost two whale boats so right so they have like a twenty seven foot. You know twenty five maybe side that you get into go hunt away and then you super cool so a the third third well but was damage. The top gallant sale was destroyed which is like the the the top square one right up there baby sale. Yeah baby up top okay. That will go with that sale babysit. So there's the mama and then they also had issues not just from the squall but also the officers had miscalculated good and also because the crew little experience land. We're boston but the credit little experience so they didn't turn up stuff like that right so george thinks the damage is too much and he's like we should go back to non-target and fix this shit and start over again. But the first and second mates talk him into continuing on go into the where they could get hopefully more well boats so they've lost like two of their hunting boats. Essentially they've lost a sale and and people are like well. We'll be right okay. We got this. Yeah okay so. George does not turn back and keep sale. Sure sure sh. Yeah it's a whale sale. And now they landed on the island of floros on august thirtieth and they got some supplies of vegetables. I got some pigs. okay but no boats. There were no boats to be had right. Were they expecting to find out if i boats. Yeah they thought they'd go to this land and there'd be a boat store boat shop okay jamming another island with just pigs. A no vote shops. Damn i gotta say. I'm thinking about opening a boat shop here. It's very strange. This started as a whaling expedition. Now we're hunting boats so this on and they stopped at the cape of various. Where any bouts. Okay we'll now. They see a whaler a whaling boat. Like okay and it is. It is stuck on a beach. This is perfect right. So i told you we'd find a boat guys lucky three note three guys come out of a whaling boat okay. And they're like everyone else fails when the ship got stuck. Everyone left except for us and so they bought the whaleboat from them. The odds are just and they got some more picks. Jesus very good very worked really. Well i would be in the back like we're gonna die because there's move. Yeah so we have a new boat at a bunch more bacon so they sail on and they round cape horn at the bottom of south america about five weeks later jay and on the eighteenth of december okay and they did some whaling off a chilly that killed eight sperm whale nice and converted them into two hundred and fifty barrels of oil. So there you go. That's nature that is nature that's nature that's finally nature's standing. Actually they actually by the way. Why couldn't that be the oil spill in the ocean and that'd be great whale oil. Yeah just be a little bit better than maybe a little bit. Better lack tar oil that we then pour corrects the bottoms. Pretty good also. It's really good. Obviously for the ocean. Yeah so at this point. They need more food so they stopped at. I wish we had some wale a. Sludge now stop at hood and charles islands in the galapagos. Okay and i remember the judge tortoises from the darwin so there's a bunch of those cruising around like perfect and they grabbed three hundred of those just the right amount from from heard island. Then they go to charles island and they get sixty more sure now after they've grab sixty they have to the first of all can. Here's the great thing about these turtles. They can stay alive without food or water for like a year. So it's just like this thing living there you can crack open every once in a while. Yeah it's so strange to me like how and this time it feels like it would be much more connected to land nature and more understanding of other beings. It feels like now. Like i mean we are worse now because we do it in this like we don't even know where the fuck from you but i would imagine that in some way you would be like that is a that is torture. That is creating a torturous situation. It is absolute torturous chair. But it's it's religion which gives them the belief that thing land everything for them. Yes yes yes show so. They only got sixty from the second island instead of more because there is a helmsmen name thomas chapel and he thought it would be really funny pulling a prank and he liked some underbrush on fire okay. That's a fun capable that prank anymore. And the underbrush just goes up and pretty soon island is berg gum goofy. It's a classic fire prank all right. Now here's the thing with my prank. It is unending. This is a terrible nightmare. Frank ruins this entire island. You should see your faces. It's worth everything. I'm and the other thing was gonna i was gonna do. Is i have a pack of gum and when you take out a piece of gum like stings. You're live on your ship. But instead i burned the island. I burned my home chore of so they have to run and they grab what tortoises they have and they get back on the boat and its peak dry-season so did you guys notice something different about the island. Let's see it's on fire. Every part of it's on fire was. That was that a tortoise. That was me i was having a bit of a goof. You remember your first mate. Yes i took his heart out a little. Bit of a goof goof he did pranks very have an angle. I'm working good attic. It's not good. I've put a big hole in the ship. Oh jesus you should see the look on your mouth. I would also aghast so yeah so the fire just keeps burning funny could being so negative and to sweep across the island so the next day they leave because the islands on fire and george. George doesn't know who lit it. They didn't tell him at this time and so he's just he wants to kill whoever did it like he's furious. Because all these fucking everything's dying. Yes yes he's the island is burned so they head back out and they go back to killing whales and they kill whales for a few months and you believe the way they damaged nature just for nothing. Now let's go yank a bunch of these whales out for oil is let's get some lamps licked. Its go. they very well as very prosperous voyage. Cain the killing a lot of animals they would harpoon the whales in the whale. Boats right a guy would sit up front. Need your opponent. And then they would hold onto the rope or whatever and it they would just wait until it tired out. Water ski out. Yeah well they call they. Call the non-target sleigh rides and they would they would. That's just really for me. It's great because it brings up christmas. Which i love. And then we're tyrod and then they then they'd have it right on november twentieth. Nineteen tony they saw a pot of whales and the guide the massive literary literally yelled quote. There she blows. Oh so that was the thing. Was that the actual saying what they're talking about. Yeah so they lowered the whale boats. Three well boats the first mate owen chase. Who was twenty three was in one and harpooned awale but the whale not was not so into it. I don't actually enjoy this wail did not under. He didn't like the big metal thing going into his body. Does the whale not understand that. It's a sacrifice for oil. Well now he didn't he didn't get that nature's always seem to resist us. It's no no way it's not. This is better for everybody. Yeah this is. This is the lord's path. I was just have to make a sacrifice. Just send your kids to school. Thank you so nice triazole. Nice try all. Let's stay focused. So the whales onto and the whale turns and hits the boat with his tail. Now that is bad you well. It depends on who you're rooting for. The i'm rooting wailed one hundred hundred good great because he knocks the boat boat over it has a big hole in it. They managed to get over and plugged the hole. What their jackets. And then as and then head back to the to essex while bailing water out and they make okay the other two boots jackets so lucky no jagged who very wet. I'll be okay. So the other two boats keep going georgia's in one of the the way it works is the three whaling boats the first the second mate. And the captain going those. Okay so george us by the way. That's so different now by way you'd be like yeah you you you. You're what we call heroes dangerous thing better your job. Your front line wailers. I'm staying here with the pie. We will clap so much when you're done. So so he's back on board. It chases back onboard essex and he looks out at the ocean then a very large. Well it's about eighty five feet long. Okay line quote quietly in the distance. Yes and it's facing essex. Okay so almost like the whales. Like i don't trust you. I got my eye on you. Yeah chase quote. He spouted two or three times and then disappeared in less than two or three seconds. Camp again yes well about the length of the ship off and made directly for us at the rate of about three knots. A lotta nuts too. Many nuts get new. Chase gives the order to turn the ship to avoid them to not get hit head on. I love the we now. Need to run from radic. There's a reverse thing going on here. They will turn us into oil. Let's move quote. The words were scarcely out of my mouth before he came down upon us with full speed. Yes and struck the ship with his head. He gave such a such an appalling and tremendous jar as nearly threw us all on our faces so he hits the boat fucking heart. So this is like i don't take shit. I not into what you guys are doing with the whole killing us thing. I'd cool so the crew it. They can't believe what happened. Like this is just totally not something that occurs share and the whale passes under the ship. Grazing the underside. And he comes up on. The other side expected to talk pretty soon and he goes. Hey motherfucker do maybe fucked with the wrong wail. I'll be Buck so the will then sits there for a minute. You just kind of laying on top of the water and chase chase thought. It was stunned from the collision like himself so hard. It's just kind of and then they'll headed off now. The will have made a hole in the ship. Great and chase they blow chase tells them to the pumps going he looks at the damage comes back up top because he's going to signal the whale boats and he looks out and he sees the whale again s. quote apparently in convulsions. On the top of the water about one hundred rods to leeward. He was enveloped. In the foam of the sea that is continual and violent thrashing about in the water had created around him. And i distinctly see him smile his jaws together as if distracted with rage. Fury that's a lot of projection to put wales on matt. I mean is that okay because when you take convulsions it feels like the whales having reacted like head heading the boat it sounds. He's he's saying that the whale is out there like like a bull snorting and i'm so the whales saves still really pissed it. Let's set up the apology vessels. Boy yes so mad. Wales so matt wells. My skateboard line oregon look for the dot com thing and then the whale moved across the bow of the ship very quickly ships in bad shape so this point chases like the ships lost like it takes so much damage but he he still says keep the pumps going so we have time right. Yeah whatever you need to get off. The boat. Any lowers two boats in the water and preparation for abandoning the essex and crew member. A member of the crew yells quote. Here he is. He is making us again. God damn this is great whale. The whale is about one hundred rods right in front of the ship. And he's coming fast. Well chase said he was coming. The junior say chase said he was coming with quote ten full fury and vengeance. Some mazing. he hit the ship again and smashed a hole in the bow. And then the whale took off and was never seen again there. Thousand miles is so busy like the base of the ocean accepting awards and all of the air. No big surprise here. If wales have done this from the beginning they would never be any. Oh you i mean. I am at the point where i just crave the animal revolt and the nature revolt. So there are thousand miles from land and chase. He orders them to stop pumping and for each man to get what he can and get what he needs. So that's great that his name chase and he just completely lost. The change did not chase. The stewart goes below deck and grabs to navigators and the captain and chases trunks. And let's go for a swim. I need all my things. I have a little nitty hat. I have these kind of flowery trunks that i would love to wear for a quick dip dino. It's like it's like it. Looks like a gun handle but you grab it and it has a vice grip. You can pitch aber grabber. I one of those. I need to grab didn't know the name. It's a grabber. I have a fly swatter shaped like charlie brown bets. What else do i need mike. Globe ball whack cer- yes picture. Get the nuts with other stuff Some yarn puzzle. The puzzle disturbed frigging rate puzzle. Full form a love that puzzle game yahtzee in there too but pillow his bottom pillow. The app we have other stuff has lot of bottom stuff honestly if you're comfortable grabbing the bottom stuff can we give you litany of items. We'd like from the bottom. There's a secret area. There's a whole thing we have for bottom stuff. So that's putting the boat. Chase grabs compasses so they have to navigators which is basically it. Sounds like a map right. They got to compasses now. Water's fucking pouring in it just share. Yeah no wales headbutted about twice all the men get oil boat and they push off and then the essex just falls over sideways and the water k- just how it started chase quote. Not a word was spoken for several minutes by any of us all appeared to be bound in a spell of stupid consternation so that will was mighty. Yeah that this was a bad idea this business. We got into so while while they're fucked up. Well you guys remember that. Yeah yeah yeah when the whale. No it's gonna be forgetful. Yeah yeah anyway. We're not on the boat. Ron little boats frank. Nope no that was fire right. Okay yeah that was funny. Yeah de god chapel. You remember when you said the did you sit at the wheel thing. No did so the other criminal grabbed anything and they just basically had the close that was on them we. We're graphic stuff we're going to go grab a bunch of this charlie brown a flyswatter. Oh cool my jackets. Filling the hole in the essex. So now the two whale boats return with george in the second made and one of the managers built yelled quote. Oh my god. Where's the ship dumb ass. Jesus later little thick georgia speechless quote. He was so completely overpowered with the spectacle before him that he sat down in his boat pale and speechless. The he asked what happened in. Chase responded quotes. we have been stoved by a whale. Stoved means to smash a big hole into jer. It's it's both guyton stove. Stove your door it through here. Ma'am no hey stove the glass. No my body no me stove through you. Nothing for me. Well jake later stove. Yeah we're on after a few minutes. George said they should get some food out of the essex and so they broke through with hatchets because now. It's like the dan right so they have to go through the sort of capsize. Go through the bottom. The fan six hundred pounds of hard bread. That wasn't wet and they got us much freshwater as they could carry which is in kegs. Each man had about sixty five gallons of water k. Good amount so. That's a lot of water quote we also got from one of the lockers a musket a small canister of powder a couple of files to rasps and two pounds of boat nails and a few who turtle turtles like what we want to live. Really we live here now. I've been the ocean only temporarily. Some of the men being inexperienced didn't really get how horrible situation there happens every time. Is this part of the deal on the time. When is the guy that whales were like that. Yeah no. I've never seen it but that was funny. Funny fogging that guy was knocked around. When are we getting picked up. Yeah what's the pickup time. Do we have another six to the couple of the crewmen slept very peacefully that night. I'm what just laying in the boat. Sleep back then ever slept in a good place made a fair enough. Well i'm going to go to the ocean a nap chase however said. He didn't have the words to describe how horrible the situation that he's still like it's awesome pick. He mean. Mimi mean who can't wait to you. Find words again. see big as mashall's slash then blah. Be he be okay. Let's just no no more big not big big big no big he large. Okay big big thank you. He goes smashing. Thank you. i'm gonna crush your head The oil from him no so the next morning the took sales off the ship and put them on the boats so each has a little sale. Each has to mass. They built to mass. These twenty seven feet long. I mean it's decent sized good. I mean the sales big. Yeah they look at the navigators and the nearest land were the marquess islands society islands. George wants to go to them. Okay but the crew thought that there were savages and cannibals on the allen who would eat them okay and so they talk george out of going to the islands okay. That's gonna be a big mistake. Okay it's a really bad call. Where was that. What awaited them because other people went there couple years later and they were just like. Hey we can give you food until someone picks you up so okay. So they decide. They're not going to go to the pit stop island and they're gonna they're gonna head for peru okay. I don't know how many miles away it's like a thousand miles away okay. As compared to like whatever hundred or something so a lot her right yeah so they could use the sales to catch the trade winds and hope they'd be spotted by ship out there. I just can't get over the whales till. I know you shouldn't the greatest it'll come back not the won't come back but that'll come back. We meet again. His name is frank. It turns out whole behalf of the social so off they go. They split themselves into two groups. One would sleep half of us die and them now so one group sleeping the other ones awake because they're shit to do quotes such as bailing setting tacking in and trimming the sails. So they actually have to fucking right work. They estimated the food and water would last sixty days and they figured they could reach the coast of south americans fifty six days perfect well by the way i mean. Four days feels like planning now. They had some other stuff. Some guys grab fishhooks. There were candles. A musket two pistols. So they got some stuff not a lot but not very useful on the ocean. Yeah the wind picks up and the waves crashing into the boat so they're constantly wet for the saltwater trenches the bread well and the sun is brutal celebrate out they give up on the idea of trying to keep the throw three together like some point. We're going to get separated and that's that'll be. That feels like things are bad. Sometimes they have to quickly bail water out of the boats as they would come close to sinking. That's why you do it. Yes yes yes. Yes on november twenty eight. Th the other boats heard george yelling and his boat when they got close. The captain said quote. It's at nighttime. When they got close the captain said quote. I've been attacked by an unknown fish and he has stove my boat a floating in the ocean at night. Jesus doesn't get scarier. I mean the juggle at night is scary but like you feel a little. I've been stone undermined fish his so the unknown fish at attacked with his jaws and so they couldn't figure out what kind of fish was but it was twelve feet. Long big fish long believed to be a killer whale. Okay quote this is what chase it was quote one of the killer fish species. It was what i would refer to as a killer fish. I thought we called them. Murder fish healer so after hitting the boat once toyed with them and then it hit a second time on the bow and then they started hitting the fish with they took the polls. They're using a hold up the sails and they started hitting the fish with it. The the fucking killer whale and then and it took off. It was like this isn't fun. I where are the killer. Whales are are known to be violent. But this i discussed this after these poachers greg killer whales. But they're not just they. They're they're whale. That will fuck with other animals. Not even for foods like there's some scientists that saw a group of killer whales hitting a stingray and they were just knocking it up in the air and they did it for about forty five minutes and then they killed it and they didn't need it they just went off like that was fun. No like so. They're just there. They have a good time. that's why they're part white. Yeah so in the morning. They may remain what repairs the but was still gosh. He's really dove ing but was still able to go okay. Another boats as the days went on were becoming more. Frail and water was flowing in more. How close to peru and they noticed over time that more and more water was getting in as he stay past. That's bad right right. You don't want you want less. yes yes less. And now tales realized that the bread they were eating was making them dehydrated. Salty bread is interesting. What do you think it was. Don't that salt. I don't Wonder what the sonata bregman. Yeah sure so. They kill the first hurdle on november thirtieth chase quote. I need not say that. The proposition was hailed with the utmost enthusiasm. Yeah what do you want a fucking medal. Everyone's dying and you're offering a me. Let's just say that it was a pretty good idea to eat something before we died. Drank the blood and all that's good turtle blood and they cooked the rest and its shells absolute pot. We got is nature's pot a storm hit on december fifth but the boats managed to stay together. Put some bread of advise. The leaks increased on the boats quote to an alarming degree. Who's pissing in these. It's a that's i've always been a piss on the boakye all right. We don't need you to change. They were constantly bailing now. So it's just sure always bailing to keep the ship up right. They're running low on food and water. Okay that's good said. He now always kept his loaded pistol with him in case anyone made a move for the food or water okay. So we're in a good phase this where we know. We're in a good someone's ready to start killing me others over rations. One day a their boats went through a school of flying fish. In four hit. The sale fell in the boat and they ate them alive. Oh jesus they weren't. They weren't so the fit. A whole one into their mouth wasn't huge. It was like a bite size fish. Yes still no need to cook it. That's how hungry they are. They don't even split the fish in any way. It's just getting your mouse get in your mouth raw. They killed the the last tortoise on december. Eleventh that's a bruce willis movie the last fuck. It's great yeah. Slow your sickest tourists what that's a clip from it now around this time the winds died down. Okay and now. They're just floating. Yeah just ended in a boats and boats drift and along. They ran out of water head so much water. Yeah they drag it all k- but i'll for a little thirsty sure Actually they've been under a month but they're you know the more than they're getting more and more thirsty sure. yeah so. Every man tries to salt water in his mouth and hold it but it just made them thirstier. That's how you desalinization. They drink their own urine. Yes finally good. I drink someone else's just to feel. Yeah let's come on. I'd rather drink mine. I mean i drink mine for a while but then after while ago guys look. Let's roll the dice. Come on. let's do. It wants to spend my mouth let's fund. Hey who's gonna drink tonight The sun is just brutal. It's beating down on them. One day they they hang off the boat would. Up directly into your mouth or p receptacle. Well i would wanna pee into receptacle. Because i feel like paying into my mouth. Would i would miss so much. You made you'd miss so much about your old life. That cup subsides urinate stuff. It's my is miss root beer. I would definitely. I would definitely be a lay down. Sorta lay down your mouth. Yep that's interesting. yeah you're right. I mean you sacrifice a lot but if you get it going yeah. It's pretty cool. But if you miss you just gotta pee in your eyes and your know this. That's the big problem. Is your nose deal okay. So then one day. It's so hot that they need to get in the water to cool down. This is an absolute nightmare absolute so they hang off the boat and the hang their bodies in the water quote. No sooner had one of us got on the outside of the gun well then. He immediately observed the bottom of the boat to be covered with the species of small clam which upon being tasted proved most delicious at agreeable food. There's much barnacles guerrilla clams on the bottom of the boat. I think they were barnacles. They must have been right. I mean that's what barnacles do. What else could it be. I don't know more small clam share. It's just a bunch of new clams but either way so they're like dinners on the bow and other evening barnacles off the boat cool legendary. But there's not much in a barco. They were hungry again after half hour but they got something them sure. Seems like it's going well. And then there was a lot of water coming into chases folk and then they found there was a hole in the keel. Stoved it again. Like they move some stuff around there like there's a fucking hole here all right so someone saw puts up over it which is not cool so one band tighter rope around his body went under and hammered aboard on the bottom while they're floating on pretty cool tough. Yeah wouldn't be me no on. I paid my eyes so much. I can't see it still. Yeah yeah that's still the p. From earlier there was a week ago. Not a lot went in the old mouth. What in my eyeballs. all right. well. I told you use a cup right. I can't find a cup like barely see. I got this is you. You used to be able to find cups before you pissed in. Your eyes said get a cup. Yeah but then the piss stove and my is the piss stove right from. It'd be honest with you. We all paid your is. It was a. I didn't think all that was me. I thought it was a lot coming from random directions jokes on you guys. Why you've wasted all your and my eyes to bid you uncon- on december twentieth. After a of days of no wind they see land It's an island about six miles long three miles wide peru much smaller than expected. So now this is like right in between new zealand. Parental okay and it's called henderson. Islander was called henderson island it. There's vegetation they can see could not a lot but there's vegetation right there thirty days into their journey on the boats sure and they look like skeletons or just. Yes they look. They look like they've been on a bit of a barnacle diet. That's right for you guys. Don't smell good. We've been eating barnacles drinking piss mess so they get out on the island and they couldn't find any water right off the bat. One guy found some dripping from some rocks and he put his mouth against it for like five minutes but he said not satisfying all like not enough. It's just a drip shirt. It's so there's food. They're they're catching crabs. They're catching fish. But they're also fucking thirsty out of their minds. I mean what they need is water. They found birds eggs. They've the birds are like going into holes and they take the birds on eggs and you know suck on them. Sure maybe yeah still no water. So they they they really can't explore because they don't have shoes and so they can't go climbing up into the island But they can't find a there should be a spring going into the water so for three days. They're looking for water and then finally they finally find spring. Okay they they filled to kegs and and then they discover then. They discuss what they should do. Let's die shift. Do you guys wanna play. Gilligan's island that's diaper. Okay let's die so they're like. Should we stay here and wait for a passing ship. Should keep going and so they stay there for four or five days and then they realize they eaten pretty much everything on the at okay. So so that's kind of a hint of. They have to go right. Okay at least this stuff they can reach so and they're getting hungry again. I mean there's guys that are now on the leonard at the fifth day and he's like i literally couldn't find food today okay so they can't say they're at least not all of them and they decide they're gonna head for easter island talk about eggs. Oh my god the best hard to find very you and you do easter egg. Three men decide to stay on henderson. We like the vibe here jail. So they go. I'd stay. i'd stay too but you all can't stay. But that was you know those guys i would have stayed. Yeah there's a way even if it's vegetation. You could probably some better. I'm like i'm not going back to the ocean to drink my piss any no. I'm done with water here. We had the baby clams. Now we've gone through all we just in our pants over barnacles and things you just keep in mind where we were at but they did take some they did did manage to get some fish and stuff so they do have some stuff on the boat. Okay can eat. I hope those fish stove right through it. I did a fish of stoved again. So they go out and on january tenth the second mate matthew joy dies so another guy takes over the third boat. Okay he been sick. The entire voyage so it wasn't just some starvation. He clearly had something going on right. They tied a large stone to his feet and dropped him in the ocean. That's nice they brought we'd farewell. They brought a large stone on the ship. To code on it right. Okay but what a great. They didn't really need to cook anymore. No these so you. Just throw him overboard. Yeah but say the stone. Yeah you probably would have. Yeah eat them. I bring them along for potential eating interesting. Yeah i'm at that point okay. So they're all pretty bummed guy died. Yeah it's kinda kills the mood. I helped me stoves right through one of the shifts two days later the boats were separated at night when a strong wind blew. Okay but they keep they keep splitting up and they're able to get back together for a little while says where that ends no. They're not. I don't think our this. I think what happened. Okay so on chase's boat. The rations are getting super-low. Okay guys want to do a switch. What's the when it's like the yearbook. You'll see what it's like a swap but with environments in the boat. It's good so crew. Member eat some bread while chasing sleeping he takes some bread and then chase him well he died he points his about fucking kill you but the guy was just oriel does all we cling. Just die the other guy and he says never do it again and chases. I can't fucking kill this guy okay. Five days later that man gave up me refused food and he said he wanted to die and then he lay down in the boat and he. Wow is that how it can work. That happens more more than but it. It just shows you the level of exhaustion that you and and at some point your you have to fight to live. Yeah it's the will we hear about this all the time and i'm always like i would not make it to this the next part i would not make it right i would be. The guy was like no i just. I'm good. i'm good. I'm going to do the forever now. Rebel. i'm it. So they put him in the sea now chases boat is the one that went off george and the second made about are still together instead. Okay on the fourteenth the second mate these late me. That's right. the late made on the fourteenth. I think the guy's name is hendrickson so on the fourteenth enersen boat runs out of provisions. Okay and on. The twenty-first georgia's boat runs out provisions. Then on the twenty third child shorter died on georgia's boat. Okay and so they'd see. Did i tell ya on the other guys you do hold onto this spicy. Alliens has a little more food. Sure okay but they make the awkward decision to eat powell and they divide the meet up between the two boats. So awkward the man george. What's it called. Charles meet Yeah yeah a little ground chuck. It's right the the rations of human didn't last long between all the dudes. I mean just like if you eat another dude at it's not fulfilling like this israeli world. You really want to be done in like with a with a toothpick and just lead. Yeah yeah then. But it's like we ate a brain. I'm still hungry. let's drink. His pests lives not alive. So but the like. I said the russians didn't last long and then also this thing happened where the more they ate. The hungry they felt girl been their biggest vegas vegas aunt gracie two days later. Isaac shepherd died and the hip. So we are. It's we're on the final for each that dies. There's more food for you. Because lear less one guy yes. It's great in many ways. Yeah works. I mean i mean. It's that great but when you know you don't want to let Good that's right so yeah one less mouth to feed and one more mouth to eat. Santamaria died the next day. And they'd him to jesus christ. I'm starting to get hungry starving. The data that those two boats separate. It's now all the boats are completely separate okay. Things are as bad on chase's boat. Though he had become so hungry he tried to eat some cowhide strapped to the ores cowhide strapped. Oh just there's like. I think it keeps the from slipping. So he was like at the point where he's like. Well that's each choose. Yeah basically quoted only served to fatigue my week joss. Yeah 'cause he's trying to chew. I mean seriously. That's not the part you want to try to all right. Who was a little skin. Queuing eating a couch Soon they became too weak to steer the boat so they're just drifting right. The wind was also switching back and forth. So they wanna go on anywhere trying to go east. But then we'll blow west and east and on february eighth chase quote. Our sufferings are now drawing to a close. A terrible death appeared shortly to away. This hunger became violent outrageous. And we prepared for a speedy release from our troubles. Me major in georgia's bow. There's foreman left and they realized without any more food they would all die. Yeah you know what. I'm starting to think we're dying where it's not going great. No this is not good at all. I feel like this is abc. Become pretty clear to me. Yeah we've been eating other guys that's desperate no. It's not great. I mean when you think back like that was charles. Never the island. We're on yeah. There's water full crabs. Yeah duck can just kept fishing their shoes. We could've taken the cowhide off. The plants or ted was pretty good though. That was good. That is good. Ted was good. I would like a sauce. I liked his ass. I didn't try the ass. I ate a lot of that. Guy's ass his biceps. Yeah ten you look good you look good to your eyes are really jaundice and your skin is leathery. I'm just thinking about the meat on your house. Yes you look good in that way too. If i die and we are about to die. You've got gotta try my ass. I've eaten your ass before. No no this kid. Oh yeah yes battle. It's not a salad though. Know what i mean. They call it a salad. Well you're not doing it right. If it doesn't feel like one does some point. It takes on a green consistency so charles. Rams style is a teenager. He's seventeen he comes up that idea. He says they should draw lots to see who will be my god. That is not a game. that's horrible. That is terrible. This is actually considered a custom of the sea. When things go wrong so why get in the seat of the. What are you doing getting a god. Damn boat if you have a job and part of the job is if things go wrong you have to eat other guy. You're drawing straws for cannibalism. Yeah okay so he's driving to see who they're going to actually eat they. They agree to do it. God what a nightmare. And they draw and georgia's cousin owen coffin. Gets the short stick. We saw this coming remember. Georgia promised and he was going to take care of him. I said he'd be fine. I said take care of. I mean like braise son. George shouted it. Oh unquote my lad. My lad if you don't like your lot. I'll shoot the first man that touches you and george offered to take his place. I will take place in. Owns like no. This is my fate. This was fair quote. I like it as well as any other. So ram's dell was owens best friend and they drew lots again to see who would shoot owen and rams dell was chosen and then and then there's a very long process of hawes a very long time impre the awkward right. Yes the awkward moment. Where you're about to feel all had where your best friends about to kill your nephew. You promised to have no harm done upon him and then devour the flesh of the ball. It's kind of awkward. Yes yes so. It looks like you know nothing's going to happen. So owen takes his head and put it down on the gun well so he puts his head down like as i do it. I can do this. Dude stove me and rams del shot him in the head. Okay i miss the big part of the brain probably go again. This is a nightmare. George quote. He was soon dispatched and nothing of him left. It was dispatched. Eight is cousin. Jests idea and all i can tell you as you raise the delicious man eating eating eating just talking to. I bet this is how you make vegans. Just you have to kill your friend and eat them well. Yeah that'll work sucking a rib rid meat off your buddy now back into it. A little bit of chad's femur flesh. The thing is i wonder if they have anything that could have led the rock. They had the flint's in the rocks. That probably cooking. I would hope i would hope so. Don chase's boat crew member. Isaac cole is slowly going insane. What's his deal. There's mental health issues in the family so little things will trigger you any his pill dying in the ocean. Yeah it's medications out. Make sense express scripts doesn't have to get it to him out there. Well they keep looking yeah so he lays down for a day. I'm gonna read day calmly waiting to die. I'm today. I'll die later. Dial a little later today. I'm doing a give doing to dive out five. Five thirty doesn't die. And then all of a sudden he stands up and demands a dinner napkin. Supper wear on your way with this all right instead of now ready to eat whereas by up and then he collapsed again is by getting goodbye. They covered them old close to keep them warm but he died a few hours later. They were preparing to put the body in the sea. Chase came up with another idea. I dressed them on the painful subject of keeping the body for food. No one disagreed. Yes but guys come on. Let's be honest now. The pleasantries are out of the way. We're eating the debt. We're eating area. So what kind of funeral should we give him. One that his family would find. Yes bow funeral. Yes that's right. We will give him what we call a intestinal destination is heaven. I'm going to shoot him out. That's right ladies and gentlemen. We're going to eat this man. It's one thing to eat your cousin shitting your cousin out. Later you know could be a cousin someone else to its nature the also so they quickly began preparing the body. Now here's our description of preparing the body quote. We separated his limbs from his body. And what he was alive. Thirty seconds crazy and cut all the flesh from the bones. After which we opened the body took out his heart and then closed it again sewed it up as decently as we could and committed it to the sea so they basically took all the especially took all the bones and guts the oregon's out and stuff that'd be fishing with the guts. Yeah that's fair. We now i commence to satisfy the immediate craving of nature from the heart which we eagerly devoured the and. There's dr with the heart. And then eat sparingly a few pieces of the flesh after which we hung up the remainder cut in things strips about the boat to dry in the sun. I mean it's just honest to god. I would just be like eat me now doc. Honest to god start. Get keep the knives outlets at seeing your the dude. Strong it's rate. It's not great. It's i'm going to call this a bummer. It's just really not good and are they cooking. It does not sound cooking made a fire and roasted some of it to serve us during the next day so the only reason they cooked it was to make it last a little. I don't know why they didn't cook all of it. Yeah i don't either. I mean that hungry but even then you would think you would want to like i mean. Is that how you make beef jerky by drying it in the sun. I don't know it's more like a smoker. You smoke at dry. But can't sundried tomatoes. It's you know it's more than seven. Yeah unfortunately sunning the miami didn't go well there. The next morning they discovered the flesh turn green so like you wasted him well no because they made a fire and cooked it which allowed to keep for seven days. I can't believe you're like eating green man. Let's cook the him. The so yeah. It's not great it no no no no no fire for you're starving fucking wail if this wales following. He's just got to be moore grouper. Get like boy. You really really wanna know oil now. You're eating your green boy. Well there was clearly something wrong with it because there's when it turned green because their limb swell over two days we'd eat right now like a green michelin man. I think the incredible hulk. I feel like we should have eaten green tommy. Did someone make me mad february eighteenth. They saw the sale of a ship. By the way. If you're that ship keep going fuck these guys like a michelin dudes. Hello we got this way because we are green buddy ships about seven miles away so they they sped to cut it off and soon came alongside the english ship indian. Of course they rescue course. The indian made him. 'cause we're just creatively just called this one indian me. Stop pitching really so. They're rescued the seaver. Eighty nine days like how close is parole near fucks georgia's boat is three hundred miles away from them now. Only tour alive. George ram style. All they have left to eat are the others of the last crewman by the bones of the last crewman neighbors movie. So they're smashing this all these bones. The smashing them against the bottom of the boat in order to get the mero. Oh my god it's mero time. The delicacy very filling days go by and they become obsessed with the bones dude. Kfc commercial okay so there. What do you mean obsessed with the bone. They're really just like all about. I mean bombay. But they're just like impose their their bones. Wow okay so a week. After chases boat was rescued. The american ship dolphin spotted georgia's boat. Okay now when they pull the belong side george interim style were completely fucked in the head okay. So they've gone mad. They were confused shirt and did not celebrate when the boat pulled up okay instead they started stuffing the bones into their pockets shirt shirt. Yup sure once safely on the boat they were quote sucking the bones of their dead mess mates which they were loath to part with so so. Something strange happened on the boat. Oh my god well. They've just turned into crazy. Yeah the base. they've seawater they're eating their friends their minds delirious best just right now that you guys are on. You don't need your friends anymore. Louie hummy meme and yet still. This is better than a carnival. Ship dern covered. Yes still this. Your chances are survival at much. higher carnival ship. It just any any crews anytime. I think this is still better carnival. Let's be straightforward so carnival. You ate your friends bound. So the the three survivors from chases are taking with two valve. Perot chilly with the two. With with george ram and they meet up their meeting up with them again. You guys hanging in there. He was not great. So the bonds are these are placed these bones with our butts. Jay's question is bonds she's gonna crash yes what is your bones. Bones are ready to be eaten as soon as i get a manella bacchus. How was your guises trip. It was fine. We just floated around for a little while We had turtles we and get some barnacles we step bones. You become the main debt you just ate his bones dress much dime where the whale from before. That's the bird lives inside of my god. How steph my ribs out kill you far batons. Hey you should take a nap tap room but dr bass friends where the best of friends okay. I'm gonna take off. Take off good reunion. Let's do it once a year. So they stayed in chile for a while and they got better and then they sailed back to an tuck it. I would not be getting on another vessel. I'd live where i was. The two men who stayed on one hundred and three men who stated henderson island put on thirty pounds lived on shellfish and birds at one point. They discovered eight skeletons in a cave. Which probably didn't boost their spirits. Those turn out years later. They would realize their politician people. Frank and theresa centuries okay but after four months and australian ship pass by hanson island and rescue them so they had a great run. They had the best right. They didn't need them. They didn't need any other buddies. They saw bones and they got freaked out. That's how weird their experience. They found bones. They're like oh my god bad side whereas other people like these bones are now money. Do you follow now. Even though the eaten their fellow crewman the survivors were welcome. Welcome back in tune anti without judgment again. That's what the rules of the cri your buddies when you're going to be nantucket after we just lived on man's second for a couple months but it was weird. A crowd gathered on the dock when they came and when they got off no one said a word and then they walk alone to their homes without anybody saying perfect. That's the green party you want right. Everyone's like that's cannibals. George had a more difficult time. He had eaten his cousin We all remember. He promised to take care of. Oh god dave quit twisting the knife we get it so for some reason for the rest of his life is at could not stand. Stand to be around him. What was her deal she. She had a mental issue to yes. She was just mean. I mean whatever someone each kid. That's that happens tasted so good content. I should tell you we ate him right. Before the ship crashed we eight. Oh and i cuddled his bones i that helps you still have his bones in my pocket saved some marrow anti. Here's your son. You wanna watch me through the bone of him with that. Help your grieving. So owen chase discovered the fourteen month old daughter. God oh god a few months later in december chase was back on a ship. The florida who i of i all i first of all first of all who want who who wants to get ship. Second if you're on a ship who wants to bring this guy third of all if your name was shipped florida you ain't gonna make it. I mean i guess it's because of the economy like everything runs off of. That's how you make your money as you go out on a fucking ship. If you're an untuckit like move else. I go to bones ville. He's not the only guy guys like he had so chase had three kids and then his wife died and then he married. I'm gonna eat her. He married the widow of matthew joy. Who was the first guy in the whale boat to die the one they didn't eat the right of the rock to. That's why eaten him. This wouldn't be able to be more. Would you be like. I feel like you're he's inside the like the movie heart condition that you're bob hoskins but denzel heart is still in you and we have sex. I feel like i'm having sex with you and matthew. Well i did eat his bones. Stop saying why. I the only way i can finish. Look in my eyes. I ate his bones parachute who. I've never felt more like a woman. Well i'm morales the end of the ball. Marrow chase eventually become a captain and become wealthy. He ended up marrying four times. Two wives died his entire life. After the essex ordeal he suffered from headaches and nightmares and when he was old he started hiding his food in the attic and then had to be put in an institution for eight years. No no oh my god so he did not go to therapy now. Some weird version of the bone. He regressed like bone time. Yeah he was like treating meals like bones. You've got a stash. It said the other guys. Don't find the bones. I mean he. He clearly terrible. Tst and there was no without question. There was no like solution but that might have been why. He went back out on the water. The only way to deal with the only player he's sitting still terry and his wife couldn't hear it. Yeah sitting still in. Your house is the terrifying part if you're You know alone with your thoughts and so he was institutionalized eight years he got out he died in where those meals. I hit. I feel way better. He died in eighteen. Eighty nine years later off. The third boat was discovered on ducie island with three skeletons onboard. All that food. George went back out to sea as captain of the whaling ship. Two brothers so another one. He called the cousins. We should call one brother or edible pals but the ship wrecked on a coral reefs. Two years later and george became labeled a jona which was someone who is unlucky at sea and no ship owners would give him another ship. Hey i'm fine with desirable. Yeah i'm not gonna do a thing where i don't know he gets coral. I'd be like he's getting closer. he's getting better at. Here's an improved. He didn't need any of his buddies. So george spent the rest of his life in an tuck. It working as the village. Night watchman on the anniversary of the neck. Anybody walking by her no. I'm sorry i'm just finishing a rib biscuit. Nobody's walked by here in ours so I'll see you tomorrow. That's one of the barbecue what's on the barbecue. What are you barbeque. Some to a bunch of deer venison venison man ben madison the minutes venison manvier ab- man. Dear god oh dear. I cooked a man. Sorry oh man. I've made a deer there. It is that's what it is gear. Yeah it seems like what like a man you said crazy. That's a foot. I called the who've looks like a man foot. Well it's a man. Okay that's why but it's called the huw when you deal with it like this a lot of times when you cook up these things they put out. We never heard that expression the deer meal out on you or in this case foot food out or handout a little bit to the ribs of the same. The ribs are dear. I mean they're not the same. The ribs are the deer. Shot it with a bone marrow. Ero what the hell screw you ac- you a sierra down. Do you eat guy name name name name name for me. A i'm gonna walk backwards. Yes yes yes. Yes yes thank you thank us or yes dear. Yes yup yes. Take care following yes. It's hunting it's okay. I'm willing backwards. Yes running for you. I'm stabbing you in the heart grill on the was a man man. Yes now i know you will join foot. Give it away. Yes you idiot. Naturally the dea otherwise isn't even thing you idiot. I can't believe you convince me that was dear It looks like a human flesh. I air it is and come on ari full of on the grill now poison. Yes up a still so on the anniversary of the wreck of the essex george would lock himself in his room every time and fast and i. It's just it's just imagine counseling listed the level that he'd be like i'm actually able to understand some of these things now instead he's like well i'm off to the closet for the anniversary won't come out for twenty four. I'll be starving when i do now at the year after the returned Owen chase with a ghost. Rider published a book about what happened and i explained it all the eating people and like didn't hold back and then enjoy eighteen fifty two. Herman melville published dig inspired by the story of the essex. Jesus christ and he came at month to nantucket and he met his last night there he met george pollard junior and they talked and melville wrote that george was the quote must impressive man though holy unassuming. Even humble that i ever encountered. Let's suppose hockey. So i took his life adam and wow so melville just heard this story. It was just like hey read it story like this'll be great. Yeah a and actually. It's crazy because i mean you think about like moby dick magin but there was a whale that was a a yeah georgia and in eighteen seventy and moby dick received mixed reviews and did not sell. Well he tried to write a few more novels but none soul then eventually lived as a recluse while working as a customs inspector in new york city melville drank and two of his sons died so we had a rough life. He abandoned novels and wrote poetry now. A lot of people know that first line of moby dick was alas poor burgers they call him yummy They call them key. Bob narrative the most extraordinary and distressing shipwreck of the whale ship essex by owen chase at smithsonian magazine atlas obscure amusing planet. God damn can't see for me. Cannibalism is where it's just it is. It is the hardest position. Put yourself in to decide if what would you do. I would eat. I either you dave. I'm not talking about you. I'm telling you probably hung out with kangaroos and within twenty four hours. You like those delicious. Yeah yes so. You're a psychopath. But i'm talking about like regular humans like for me. A big part of me feels like i'd be the guy it'd be like just i'm going to die like i'm gonna just roll over and die rather die than i think i would just. I think. I don't think i would have that instinct to be like. I think i would be like. I won't be able to live a life when i'm you know what i mean. I think you're thinking bet clearly. Yeah you're probably not. But i still would be. I don't so many people have done it like almost these stories. People always eat other people i know. And it's fucking crazy so you would get their this story. There are a couple of people given. there's the guy who's just like. I'm dying like the first guy. If he had a chance to eat other people might not have. You might have been like. I'll i'll eat a frank i just. I just don't think i eat. I think everybody would. I just don't think i would. Well we're going to try it out. I would love to that position. I really think i would. Just i think i would i just i think i'm at the point where i'm just. I'm more comfortable dying them. Going through the pain of the future. I think i want like the second that it all of the major climate collapse begins. I just. I feel like i'll be like goodbye. You're not going to be like the people who have the house and the the road now now. I don't think. I mean maybe i will be but even then what is as soon as my utopia get smashed to some degree. I'll be like yeah i'll be. The guy was like go on without me. You know what i mean. I'll be like. I'll distract them. I'll be michael. Cain and children guys. I thought we do this. You know and i just die yeah. Full you come here you know. Yeah so. I think it'd be that guy. All right that's fair. And what about a cat or a dog. No no no. Because i already see where you're headed so fuck okay. Do you understand me. Yeah i will eat each other. He'll you i'm fine with it. We're all find. Yeah that's that's my. If if my fate is to be eight great my dogs would eat me. Yeah no I don't know people are always. I always think about the guys who were out in. The boat like ship crashed and they got out in their boat and then they ate each other than hillary hillary's one guy left and then he just started death. Your your last thought. It'd be like well that wasn't fucking worth it or what about like what about okay. You're you're you're at the point where you're like okay. Look todd's dead fuck it. I'm just gonna eat them and you eat them and then we saw some smoke. My god my god. No what are you doing now that you know what i mean like yeah fear yeah. Yeah yeah someone coming right away. It would be the worst as soon as you say. You're just chewing on arms. What's wrong with you go. Oh my god is the cabin right there. Yeah it's right there. Oh this is a driveway. Just there's a lows over there. I thought i have been here a while. Parking line your problem. I just didn't there's an open sa- borrow i was hard to get it. What's your deal rain around what was happening dude. Yeah burger king is twenty four hours. How fuck yeah. By the way you're basically to go there so anyway that's the same thing. Okay actually. It might be better off feeding him rather than having this borrow sausage. I'll be honest. Yeah it's it's actually made from him. I like that so there. We go Well normal stuff always cute to eat. Yes it's my bits about the monster that's gotten me quite far it's always good to eat So anyway go vegan. I guess i don't know anymore. I don't know what the answer is there. anything. I don't know i'm starting to think we might have to just eat. Eat everything and see. What's under earth. Maybe we spend through the mantle and find out what's in the core this fucker Just i think. But if we factory farmed humans great solution. Yes great solution we have. We have the numbers with certain meeting. People's that's how you just turn them into little bars. Yes yeah montfort. Thank you great to meet you sir. Nice to meet you cranky coming at you. Ted talk about eating people great to meet you. Yes so good meeting him.

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494 - Billy Cottrell

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494 - Billy Cottrell

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I never know if you're going to do. Your jobs are not and you haven't lately no i. I barely have ever. I'm not good at this now. I mean we're you say holder of candle. Yeah maker of terrible decisions. Scr owes pile dave anthony. Oh i've never said that's not i'm not. I'm not quoting you. But i'm saying it's in the realm of close section on the room. I definitely called yourself grows pile. I've never said gra. I've never seen him across pile off air at minimum. No said to me before. I'm sorry i'm grows pile. I'd i've never actually thinking of someone else. there's nobody else. No come on pam. It's not that that's it. Aaron go to commercial called the. Is jim patch fucking guy. They've okay gary curious and this is not gonna an apply now. Hit him with the puppy. Birth percents sit arguments action. Pardon my friend with the badness in this world that people like they want you know. There's not a lot of bad news nowadays so for a change. Maybe let's hit him with it. The australia tores off postponed. Postpone spooned because things are going so poorly there that yeah. It's just not realistic. Feasible with all the quarantines would have to do and just in general. It's like and i think we would have. We would have more trouble getting in there now than than we would. They're not they're not gonna let anybody in and also the theaters. They're going to space. And it's it's not gonna be feasible and then how many states could we get into so sorry a i feel bad mostly for new zealand. They're taking the hit. Now they coulda had the best they can have the best time yeah new zealand. Like it's like you're aside car on a motorbike that's going off. Like what are you gonna do. You're just you're like goddamn attached to this thing but yeah so but we are. We already talking about when we can try to do it again. And so if if you weren't already motivated to be safe and where your mask socially distance and not be a prick do it now and get vaccinated if you can't because yeah you know they're getting back down there they're they're bringing it along so hopefully october november they'll be vaccinated. They're gonna have their share video but just not as many america's they're going to be two shorter but but yeah so we're bummed but we do still have a good amount of dates here in the states that we are excited about and we certainly don't want this bad news to hinder any of that so just to go through those very quickly. We will be at wise guys in las vegas. On september fourteenth. The sixteenth will be a wise guy salt lake city. Then we'll be at the high plains comedy festival saturday. September eighteenth at the paramount theatre. We will be at stand up live in phoenix arizona november fifth the palace of fine arts san francisco. And then we will be at the crest theatre saturday november sixth in sacramento and san diego. We will be there december tenth at the observatory north park. Which is your favorite venue. I believe i personally will be braving it in texas where covina's we'll be happening for me. I'll be hyenas in dallas on the nineteenth of august the twentieth of august. They'll be at the toco. I'll be at the state theater in austin texas. Then i'll be at the rec room in. Houston that'll be at the spokane comedy club in august twenty sixth. I'll be at the comedy club. August twenty seventh and twenty eighth be at the stress factory in new jersey september tenth and then that goes into our australia dates. Which we've already talked about so you're doing you're doing a delta run could serious delta ron. You're going to spokane in texas. Yeah you're in it. Yeah go right into the fire. We went up to the devils outside. Allowed not allowed to mask in texas. 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So what are they really saying what they're basically like. Let's get rid of. Everybody is not allowed to talk. It's basically like how can we get more white people down here to really get this unfair when you're creating the you're like we have these things called laws like oh well we're not actually practicing those type shit ours are pretty bad for you. Yeah it's pretty great so this is one of the ways that congress is trying to get the seminoles out of the area right. The people the people who live there forever. Well we tried talking to them and then we try to kill them. But let's double guilt but we're not going to go back to the talking board so an army base was built that keys and then it was abandoned and so that was now available sediment settlement so people started coming in and moving there okay and then. The city became really important port. It became imports. Important port very important port portent portent you The like the most important part on that in that area okay and There's a lot of cedar trees that's right. It's called cedar that makes cedar case. Also they started. Cut them down. Because you do yes. Yeah because they trees they yes long-term. Right yes really the best thing. That just cut him down. Well i would offer better to burn them down. And you're actually getting worse getting worse ox. Where's air out of them. As opposed to something that you can breathe. I think would that lumbers a big export in eighteen sixty. They built a railroad because they got the port there so they built they railroad down. That's the goes across. Florida then goes down across bridges to the are okay and then it to the port. So right now you gonna railroad coming through a little bridges to lead to the yep sweet build and build and during the civil war since it was a big part and everything so civil you know. What in retrospect not the most civil thing. I'm gonna call you axl rose. Well did he say that did. That's tough to hear. Thanks everything he said. What's so civil about war anyway. Bam you've been rose. And then he took off his kilt and gained fifty pounds. And he became albino. So all right so you got the railroad and then the civil war comes and the union takes control of it because it's an important port so it's like an occupation right Like a pencil gets built there. And that's employing a lotta people very big deal. Eventually they cut down so many so many cedar trees that they started closing sawmills. You see how that would work eventually. You run out of the job but city still important point an important port intel eight hundred eighty six tampa bay opens a port lau. And then it's like well that's it it's just fucked because you don't have to take the train over the islands is just right right okay. All of a sudden overnight fucked. Yep yep day. The economy starts plummeting the elites of ck's bailing and moving to the mainland time. Yeah time to go and other area it becomes a really tough town okay right. it's like what atlantic city right terrible only around. Two thousand people are living there now. There's one road in and out because like an isolated place but a lot of people don't care you know it's like a a we don't care about that place named there's something like that now still. Isn't there happy with america. No but i mean there's specifically like i i feel like i've been florida before and there's not sure if it's tampa bay but there's a spot where it's like. There's literally one bridge. I literally you get on it and you know like if you made the wrong turn. You're like oh. My god like i was in a car went and we made the wrong turn it. It was like an hour twenty minutes like we're like oh my god. What have you done well. That's that's if you go down to the keys. That's there's a one there's one road. Yeah i believe so. Things are not great. Okay and another. The cottrell family has lived in cedar keys since eighteen. Fifty four okay. And the his father william's father had previously served a term in and ben the president of alabama senate okay. Then he moved here. He was the president of the alabama senate. Yeah nothing yeah. We have the senate president. Yeah okay interesting. I'm learning so much about this grading. i'm teaching you. Every was ben franklin one of the presidents of the senate. I gotta go. I gotta go to. And then he moved to florida. He was elected to the florida senate. June eighteen sixty eight hundred fifty five so he became the collector of customs cedar case which is an important position. It's like you can make a little scratch. He had five kids one. Who was william. Who was known as billy. Okay and the new york tribune would later report. Billy boy got into an argument with a seventy year. Old man after the band said he was wrong about something. Well i mean while it's probably not like the best thing for a child to do. It's still like bro. you're seventy in the eighteen. Hundreds like i can put my fist through you. Oh hold on. Oh no quote. This was an insult which the boy could not brook and he determined to carry his point by vigorously applying his boots to his opponents. Shins my god. So he's a little kidding kicking them when he says you're wrong about shop down isn't taking any ship now but like i mean honestly like your small tiny so there's disadvantages there's advantages advantages. You're right. I mean you can just fuck wale. That's going to be harder for him. I don't know how he stood up. I mean he's an old man he's gotta be falling at some point and then yell timber. Yeah you gotta timber. And then he falls and you hear this sound of the skull so the old man then grabbed billy and spanked civilians home crying and he wants to get even know. I'm gonna spag him. Jimmy reported he told his uncle and another relative and they all went back. Oh can you imagine being onboard. Like i kicked him in the hitch hands a budget then he shoved him and then he spanked me away so i think we should kill him. Thank you sir. Thank god sir. People say that. I should have an authority home me when i have a moral my five year old ask started killing five years old. I think it's time to kill him. Validating misbehavior is gonna do long-term damage to me. But let's do it. I don't think so you're the start of adult. Why would that be. You know the truth. Is that if i think about it like long term like in the moment. It's going to really help. But i don't know it's sort of set the mental precedent for something like this. It can really really come back to bite you later. But you're right. This will probably just be short episode. Yeah it'll be fine so the two older man grab the old guy. God and they hold him while billy quote pummeled. The old man until he was thoroughly exhausted. Jesus a fight. You held a guy got to be pretty shit out. I don't know you gotta be pretty young because the guy spanked him right. Got to be around. But i might. My dad spanked me in my thirties on. Yeah but you paid him yes. Of course i do then. He stabbed the old man. I times pocketknife on do that. Why do you do that. That's not cool. I'm like a fisher. Toying god damn so we stay and if you're the dead and uncle you're like boy by breaks breaks or are you like. Oh yeah. I don't know like there's no all seven times says to me that you're letting it happen. Oh yeah it says that you've never john. You're not jumping in once you're past like two to says it's like all right. Maybe they june kick. Yeah that's enough jing one more gene. Okay that's it did you did you. Yeah and then. The paper is like and then he. He had the respect of the town but no one did anything to him. So i was like so this is happening. Everything here's backwards. That gains him. Respect from people. Like you stabbed an old man seven times. I don't i don't know do president of the senate. I don't get papers back then. They would just they would fill in the exciting stuff in the not and they would of trail off and also lemons or get. It's funny any information about his education. But i i did find. His brothers went to private school so he must have gone to private school. K in his twenties early twenties his sister gets married. Okay and billy goes fishing with his new brother-in-law okay. Oh boy and they had a bottle of whisky. How how old is he. He's in his early twenty s billions. Yeah okay okay and have a bottle of whisky okay. And so they start drinking. Really start hitting the bottle. Share this epsco. Call quote if you are telling me that. There's a quote in a paper about this by the whiskey. This is leading me to believe there's an incident can speak and then a couple of guys had a drinking name call quote. It was a big bottle and enough and held enough whiskey to intoxicate a ship's company. So it's a lot of ships worth it's how you get shipped faced completely this soon. They're both waist okay and now. They had brought along a young by the way to people in. This situation is worth so this part. I don't really understand but you know the family. It does have money so it's got to be a nice boat because they brought a young black guy to wait on them. Okay sean. the boat fishing. Look what you do on a fishing trip. It's always nice to hear his family before this awarded on slaves. So who the so. Billy billy wants the black guy to join in on the drinking okay and he hands them the bottle. Okay and the brother in law is like. I'm not going to drink from the same bottle as a black guy right because then you'll turn black. I don't know what the fears. yes obviously imagine. yeah. I mean what what what couldn't happen. Yes you're white so who. Yeah billy was apparently not into that sort of racism and he pulled his gun and shot and killed his brother-in-law okay. So listen i'll talk now. Okay so i am. I'm ashamed that that okay. So it's great great to hear that he is in this time he's able to think for himself and say that he finds that to be a warrant. It's not really great. That he kills the guy has sisters gonna marry over is married to is so. He kills her sister's husband out on a out about drunk. You know like. I would just love to see a you know a medium volume version of that reaction. Something a five. Not at ten he goes. He goes ten absolutely and by the way. If you're the black dude. On the ship assuring the bottle. You're like hey so listen. I am not sure about this partying anymore. I've had a hell of a time of some whiskey. I would share. You're going to. I would love to have some more. I would absolutely no god. that's good. Oh my god you just realize you have to go. Oh yeah how how i'll swim. I mean i don't even care. Are you saying. How am i gonna go or why am i going to go somewhere to go. I am in the middle of building a roof and a half to finish it tonight. So dammit i just thought about this too at sucked. He had to die because of it. I have some more whisky. Yeah sure yeah absolutely. Oh my god so good. Wow a white. but any who's will be. I need to be racist ways. Yeah no no. No no call. Callback not knows called. The heck knows callback so he kills his brother in law. He's arrested for murder. Goes to trial is acquitted. It's just really it's amazing. How many murders. Yeah not guilty. Yes all right. I mean did you murder. Yeah yeah not guilty. So billy did happen when he was drunk. It was definitely a pattern. Sure sometime after he killed his brother-in-law by the way great little sentence there. That's been normalized a little while after dealers brother-in-law he He cursed out his sister because she was now poor guy and marry him you idiot. I'll give you got no money. Well you killed my husband. He omar good good good now kennedy job. Well that's a lot harder. Also i'm going through a lot. It's really depressing. I the man. I love got killed. Why because you shot him on a boat well well what he was in front of the bullet number one because you pointed the gun at him. I was shooting in racism. Yes but that didn't need to kill him. You have him. I was killing tape. But why don't you tell him to not be racing. Each of how to not be racist. I was trying to shoot the racism item. You shot him dead. He died in the boat yet. But that's because he's weak was anyway. You should get a job. I relative later. Said of billy quote when people talk about him when he's intoxicated. He's a normal person. he behaves. Sorry other way around. Relative later. Said of billy quote when people talk about him when he's not intoxicated. He's a normal person behaves. He gets along and then you throw some whisking him and he turns into billy the kid so we all wait. Hold on. that's not is that we we're talking about this okay because it's the orangeburg does yeah i think like i mean we all have the friend who is the billy you know. I've built a couple of times. I've never shot anyone. No i won't happen. But i mean there's they're definitely like i've had friends i'm like oh. This person is no longer a human anymore. Yeah yeah so. Billy works for a little while. A rafting timber share that is. I'm still just thinking like the fact that he like murdered. This guy. how is he going about is dated like he's getting a job at the guys like murder guys like i'm murdered a guy but yeah. I really excited to like to work here. I'm excited to be a part of this team. What is it called wrapping paper. So i'm guessing you is a way to like get timber to other places by letting it float down a river guiding it or something. Yeah he did the cut down the trees and then he says ties together raft retake some gallon right sells them but then he was unemployed for a long time he must have lived off relatives and friends. What an to get a job job. People in cedar keys are scared shitless of billy wright he. You're and you're saying this is like a lowly area and even in the lowly air so it's sort of like he's the joker in gotham. Yeah right he would take what he wanted and without asking they. You know okay. Yeah sure billy one day. He was racing. The family schooner near tampa bay. That's that's still said you don't get that a lot. That's still happening. The schooner was named nanny probably after their nanny who he killed he killed so the boat bodies racing pulls ahead of them say we're below deck grabbed a gun and started shooting at the boat in first place. See now again i just. I'm going back to when he stabbed and old man seven times. I'm just as behavior at that time. It was a that was a learning very key moment. Yes really really. Set the path forward Behavioral for sure okay. The crew is finally able to restrain him now. Billy really loved shooting shrank when he's doing this yet. It seems like whenever he does stuff on the okay from the tribune quote he at times becomes crazy. And we'll rush down the street pissed on hand shooting at random So this was a time when people found that to be abnormal back. Then it was buddy. Yeah yeah so. While his father was alive he protected them. I think his dad died and his dad. Protect billy yeah. But then his dad died he he would contact the governor district attorney. Until i'm bill was untouchable right. He's good and not to learn. Understand me at one point. You brought a special bill. The put a time limit on diamonds. So like if he's future indicted Yeah there was a whole. Like billy only sounds like billy only bill. That went through. That was billy long. You can't you can't get it right. Okay normal yes for sure. It's all billy drink with anyone but also quote. He will shoot at anybody so there you go right up the back. Don't be the person not a guy that drink went out. Yeah he doesn't drink with. It was said he killed three or four people. Jesus christ once. An englishman was visiting cedar key. He was in the local bar and he started talking like english. People do about americans. Excuse me the sf call quote as customary with the britain abroad. He was making despaired you disparaging remarks about the country. You bloody americans got no idea what you're doing this right vail plays no good you silly hat booze dude dude. Even the word dude dude. She's homey agenda flipping asshole. You've got. Listen let's be honest. You moved out of home and you've done well for yourselves. We're doing fine dot vic can teeth. They're good we have good tea. It's disgusting that they're nice that there's so many you lock sharks. Jesus christ you. You're really awful. People like you really arrogant and your whole thing is falling apart like you used to be an empire not absolutely nothing like an empire. Gosh you americans. You just can't off on the fact that you think you've got no avenue. Meanwhile we're thriving. We don't need you anymore. Seeing other yes thriving. How would you quite minimum minimum. Things are good. They're not they are fine. No they've been worse. No well that cannot be true true. It's the worst. Yeah what about the plague. It's fine the plays off fine nervous. Diane ones look anyway. You always joop it also I'll have another. Ipo no pint of lager. Nunu so as i was talking shit billy came into the doorway. Look at this one. Ooh la la. He listened for bit and then he took out his gun until the brit he would quote. Make him tow chuck mark out of town. Sorry chuck margaret actual hustled my entire journey. You as you go. You chuck it. I'd rather not what we're doing. I'll leave tape and with the cia. You bloody americans we have things. And that's what he did. He chased him out of town. People were amazed. Billy did not shoot the british guy bar solo billy. We're proud you for not killing that guy so what to do. If you're billy wright anything you want run for mayor. Oh perfect absence by totally. That's going to say being charge. Three of his brothers worked on the campaign and they said what was the slogan. Fuck grammar will kill you. Go fuck yourself. yeah fuck you billy. They said they would find anyone. Who talked about billy and murder them. So it's genetic it's i guess it's genetic probably that they've seen his behavior rewarded so they're like. Oh yeah this is again. You are setting. You're setting like a oppressive where you are like you can do this. And why would you not. And by the way if he. I mean he's going to. He's probably become mayor and he'll be very powerful. Because you can get away with everything so of course. Yeah and yet all right okay. So in eighteen eighty nine. William billy cottrell was elected unanimously mayor. Everyone voted for him. Everyone voted like putin. Kim jong un election every single. He's thirty two normally. One does not win every vote but only one hundred. One people voted in the election. The only person who has ever actually done that as donald trump also. Billy had said he would shoot anyone who ran against him so he's running unopposed. Okay so you got a that makes a little more sets. And then he went. Okay won the election and then he just vanished for two months. Good perfect good. So then he comes back and he immediately makes his buddies. I assume i assume as drinking buddies deputies great good and they become like his personal goon squad in the town town marshal. Jr mitchell was one of his guys but apparently just going along because he was scared of being killed. There is family being killed great. He was like bad guy but didn't want to be a bad guy right so the goods they his boys would just get shit face and they would actually force people to dance by threatening to shoot them. Oh so that was a thing they would go. They would go to people's houses and make everyone come out and then make them dance. They shoot at a weird sort of hostage situation. Just what i mean. It just shows you how boring everything was like. Well you need. We need to watch diets in. I'm bored. Let's get the williams out here and make them cut a ge guys they're here. I feel like all right. Let's go let's we're coming. Let's just keep it tight this time. We'll just do cross across the box. Fist fist-bump spin rotate backward forward. Then we do the clap then run under tunnel back mom me dad go daughters move just so you know i. I heard that. I've seen that one. I want some different some special. Here's overtake river. Dad's situation what the hell that is. I'd i can't walk on water so what we'll do is we'll do foot kick kick high kick low snap snap snap snap jesse janson move spin spin hold. Sheila hold. Make a bridge undergo kiss. Yum. yeah okay. I'm not okay. Great thank you so that works for me. Great boys okay with that. That's pretty good weight. Also like to see a pasta dowd. Blace okay yeah. I don't know what that is crazy by the just basically maybe an intimate lombarda. You spend too much time during the war like that. Maybe tango to see maybe a wall. Some kind yay now. We're talking. You know something like how about a human pyramid hulo had a human santa paid. Oh shit okay here you guys go give me some thread. I'm gonna take this family and tie them asked asked to mouth guys when they do that. Chance gestures box that talks that move so one day he was really drunk in billy. Okay in the local barber shop shirt right. of course. yeah yeah. That's where you do the drunk. The local station agent was there with his cousin who was a young pretty lady okay. Hopefully that's a good setup thanks She's engaged his lawyer in jacksonville and those indoor you think she's caught right. Well i mean and she's probably into him. I mean he's a ways that guy haircut pretty cool look bad boy. Bad boys bad boys. The song share and ability says quote so the the station agents name is dover. Dilfer introduced me to that cousin years. And i'll marry her within two weeks and dover is like. This isn't the place actually engaged. Yes so this is not the place. She's engaged also your plowed. You shouldn't be really talking about ladies. So billy pulled out his gun and for pulled his gun okay and then they start shooting at each other christ and neither them each other. Just completely missed with every doe. I should feel bad though. 'cause billy's waste it's really i mean they're in a barbershop. It can't be that bad are bad right. A lot of glass gets hit. The blue water all over that floor still a few days later billy and the cousin her hanging out after that he get out of my hand he likes me so much he tried to shoot. My cousin heightened. A couple lakes laura from jacksonville's. Make me wait six months. Is it hot So they're hanging out soon. She sends her engagement ring back to your fiance. And then the fiance hops. The train and comes to town her any begs for her to come back and she's like nope and she marries billy within two weeks i said mike he said and then they went and honeymoon in jacksonville. Sure at your house you do you watch me. Fuck your ex-fiancee really rather not honestly. It's called honeymooning. Oh my god honey you look at him while you come out my god. Hey look her in is really rather only wish. You guys a great marriage but honest to god enough. You ever do this. Oh sweet god no pretty good. What you mean ejaculate yup yeah. I've done that really yes. Of course we're going to benefit. That is anything that you did. I'm did i invent that. did you. Infant or cast. Did i invent orgasm. I mean look. I'm willing to die invent the orgasm orgasms. I yeah billy. Nobody's ever done that before like you. You can stick around and watches fucking man. I'm trying to leave the you're not an inventor. What a trailblazer. Yeah it's kind of a reverse hot wife last. I'd rather move move down. Yeah well great watch it. Come good to see you awkward. Any i think that so he. He really promises he would change right got. He's now upstanding citizen. He's not going to ensure trade. Jerry someone and then then ask for change number drake. And he's on the up and up share. I feel i kill stop drinking so four days after they came back from moon. Billy is just ship. Sure and They're staying cedar kid at bell. Latinas hotel okay. And he demands more booze and bella team like i got to cut you off man. It's your jock. So billy then goes after him and chases him all over the hotel kicking through doors of rooms and he broke through to room successively but bella. Tina's wife threw herself before. The door of the room in which husband was hiding and said that cottrell would have to kill her before he gained entrance. That's not a good that is neither. Do not say bill hills. Yes yes well. That seem to calm down a little bit okay. And he put his gun in his pocket. Okay then he walked out okay still. He was upset. Oh dear and the next day he had tina arrested an just whatever right and they're back in back where he lives now. Where he's the he's got the power billy then took over the bar and he and his friends drank until all the booze that'll teach him say no to a wasted person mayor. Yeah another time. There was a social meeting taking place and someone had the courage to oppose emotion billion put before the group. the nurture being quote cottrell acted like napoleon. He drew his revolver and the meeting adjourned in a hurry. Our other people have guns busy. The first person i've ever gun it's one at that level of intimidation. It sounds like the the the man who had no name. What is the clint eastwood movie. It sounds like like everyone's just too scared right and even like even if you had gone you by god he's gonna kill me if i like everyone's just and also he's not alone right he has crew so it's like if you shoot him to the other guys have. Yeah it's it's not great okay. He really held grudges. Billy interesting any had grudges against tons of people crazy. But a lot of the grudges. Were confusing and nobody really understood them. Well most blackout grudges going to have like threat. It's going to be sure that got ali lag. The way he looked at me and i never will level. Okay lift it you my god and it sounds like he would. The people he had grudges against. Didn't know why right. And he very very frustrating because he would he would just have. I think he'd get drunk and have the feelings of that guy did something i know it. I just don't remember it. He tried to kill a railroad employee. One time but no one tried to kill a railroad actually track. He murdered a train trying. I didn't like the way poof at me. No one knew. I try to kill the reverend play. One time he stabbed a guy for an insult and no one remembered it happening right. It was all in his right mind. Made it up. Even billy couldn't explain what the slow he's like. i know he did it. It was so traumatic. Got blocked at that. He pulled a gun and forced a black man a lot. That's another reason a lot of the people. There's a lot of black people in town. So they're not gonna fuck with they step up what's going to happen ranching. Party's gonna come so so. He forced he pulled the black guy to whip telegraph operator in the middle of the street to whip them. Yeah whip him. And billy held a gun to his head while they did it. What a cool scene. So cool people come together. And that way. I think there's a norman rockwell painting. I believe there is. It must be a very strange feeling at that time to be allowed like no sorry. Forced to whipple light. Yeah it's got to be a little weird you like. I am so conflicted. I would honestly i bet you. You don't need that gun away. He was this is so he would. Sometimes i think it was his brother. Storks is brother art historian town but he would sometimes block the the entrance and exit of a store right for sure and hold his gun there and for hours and make the women who were inside shop and buy stuff. Yeah well. I mean you know. It saves money on advertising. If you simply just turn a shopping day hostage situation where you're just like. Hey jerry out again. This summer hat to i love my as upon you know yes. Yeah every bag. A bag full of them nails two. Are they young love nails. I us you can use out of one of those wooden pitchers lemonades of nature Pitcher i say levi of a man's suit okay. Yeah yeah years. you're gonna start with. How much does you pick him out. He'll jarred pickles to get you more. Justin pickus okay. Yeah this kid pick k. Pick guide the had the nile. The pitcher maybe exhibiting some sort of white glove seven of them. Ch- no doesn't match-up payrise. You could yeah. You know my say air. That's shelford just by the shelf right. Gosh you must really love it here all that stuff. Yeah what's your favorite. What is it what is it about. This story loves. Look i can't get out. I sort of a lot of people say yeah. Yeah i can't leave. I'm starting to sober up. Give me a bottle of water with. Oh yeah oh yeah. Yeah yeah this bottle yeah go check out okay. Thanks common not shooting me. Yeah i'm going to shoot you. Yeah yeah. I wanted to get that picture. That hat gloves that thing nails in a lot of others adamant okay again. Okay here. So he seems to He did this more than once. It amused him one time. The lighthouse keeper was in town and billy shot at him bringing the ships in and told them to keep off the street. He shot him and told them to start off the street after street. You go back to your lighthouse man. These schindler hotel was full of bullet holes because he was drunk one day and tried to shoot some on disagreement with but he missed and just kept hitting the hotel. Sure the entire town at belittles all over because he really holes. Let's get drunk and just start shooting and running around right. It could also be the city that invented glory holes. So yeah who knows he's again. He's very nice when he's sober. It's really not gonna get. I mean that's not gonna go far keys an isolated place and so he's getting he he's threatening to kill anybody who's essentially. It's just that what you've seen the dumb movie like this right silver time. In cedar keys a grand jury issued eighteen indictments against him but none of them were served right because who would want to serve him right with the yes and he's the mayor a law enforcement official would later say any of the eighteen had could have led to billy being executed. So they're all major crimes but again he came from tonight. Jamie didn't have the line. I'm italian about. I'm to do which was the most of as here. I am kissing. Al sharpton but medallion. Well we are so yeah but he also get he came from an important family is brother would become a state senator so you know the power and terrifying combination. Yes that's too hard to believe. Living under that would be possible so now him being mayors causing even worse financial situation for the town so mayor who shoots everyone is not good at the mayor job it turns out it's wild. It's except for some reason that's not turning it into a tourist haven. He terrorized businessman. Who came in to revitalize era so some guy coming up a store you got notes about my town united as a perfect i was just gonna open up perfect city name brand name one problem where no good forgetting net so as you come down to build. No i don't want to take the beauty of this city and move it to another town is just trying. China take our ideal tour. I'm tom going to kill you. And i'm the mayor came. I will kill you. I'm charging. I'm the mayor bang. How yeah achille. That guy all right. Everybody let's get some steak two brothers mercantile. Business closed due to a lack of customer. So he's driving out. Well why not. I mean he has the system. You just hold you go ahead of that. No one wanted to go to the town. No one wanted to go through town. It was just an. Why do you think that is. I don't know Sa- tons of stores are closing. While mayor of businesses sell their assets and they fold businesses are just scared to stay in the town because they can't make a profit right so but still has the support of a group of people because they are benefiting in some way right. So it's the the bad people who are dave. I know it's weird to think of. Walk me through. So i mean they'd say he was decently sober. They're always okay. We zuber guy. I'm done with this sober sheets. He's not okay. He's a nice guy when he signed. I'll give fuck. He's never sober. Split a pick up game with never sober shot my dad but then he came to the furor me. It's yeah but at the funeral then after. He sobered up. He's like i'm sorry. I shot you and that was no dad. That was nice flowers at well. He stole them any shot. Someone who had flowers at the funeral after that cousin. Yeah i know it was your cousin but after that he was like you want to go on a boat ride but don't let them which i later a plot to kill me look again. But that's because he got drunk but know when he invited you. I know very sincere. He's a real. he's a nice guy. Dr jekyll mister drunk. He isn't a little bit. Okay but good at heart. Good at heart shooting hearts. That's better so he's like teen wolf but with alcohol. Yeah and so people say well. He's going he's also from a great family. You know it's all the bullshit. Excuse an are always bandied about. He's reelected of course and landslides. Well he got sixty seven votes out of one hundred and twenty four. So you'll run against our sixty seven out of one twenty four so barely squeaked by. Isn't that literally half. But i think that must have been more than one one running because he he did not half but it's close okay. Interesting okay okay. It's more than but clearly like he won unanimously and then now it's way less unanimous. Yes right so yeah so it also probably wasn't a clean election and if you can imagine that and that's because the votes weren't secret they may far. Why did i am by the way. I just want to make clear to everyone here. I want this to be great. I have a great vision for the citizens of this town will thrive. And if you ride another name i will be killing you. Legally i will get away with it. I'm gonna leave okay. There's your option but as ran another name. I'm going for schutte mayor so so there were people scared shitless because they did vote against him at this point a woman who lives in the town ms rose bell steps up mike now she she just pointing knows no one in florida is gonna help so. She writes to the president of the united states. Well and she explains how bill he's drunk and he's always threatening to kill people. Who's the president harrison. Okay and yes harrison and she writes up all a bunch of the albums. Stuff that billy's done and says none of the christian men in the town are stepping up there too cowardly to do anything right and she's like i have no husband her son's that he can kill so i'm going to reveal as doing okay. So president harrison reads the letter k. And he names someone to go down there to be the new customs collector for cedar keys. Okay jay pinkerton. Oh my god okay. So his jarl dr collided. His job is oversight of revenue maritime law so he's like legal legal authority in the town right support town. He's got some legal. He has authority over the port authority over this part. It's a job a lot of guys want. It's a very influential men. Want free like the president is appointing someone to be happen. It's not great if the president self is like disguise coming. I'm gonna shoot at the white house from here. Now billy also thought he should have gotten the job right of course. Of course the mayor. Of course. I also wanted to do that. As a matter of fact i should be the new president king mayor president king boom secretary problem started immediately with billy. Boy billy was the customs inspector but that position is below the customs collector so pinkerton is new pig tin job because it was connections and the republican party. Okay so he's not really concerned about the mayor of cedric. As like this guy can't really touch me okay. And it could shoot you. Yes very soon. After arriving billy tells pinkerton to resign you had a hell of a run. Should be done. And and then he tells. Billy we actually. You're gonna resign. Sat possible legal for me to do that so instead of doing that. Billy comes to the customs house on may ninth and he was with marshall mitchell again while that's the guy that is the marshall but we think he's the marshall he's not. We think he's working with billy because those threatening to kill his family okay. And so billy wants to fight pinkerton okay. But pinkerton. Pigeons like pinkerton. He's like he's in the customs house he's like it's after five pm. So i'm not can open it up. I don't find after five closed until mitchell quote. Shoot the god. damn republicans son of a bitch. Wow okay if he doesn't open up be says. I've been pinkerton. Doesn't open up. So billy gives up guy. I'm gonna leave because they're not gonna kick in the dark as pinkerton would kill them right so he gives up but he said quote. Watch out panton. I better not see on these streets. Or i'm going to kill you. I work here talking about. Are you the mayor superior to knows that. That's a legitimate threat. Sure and he doesn't go out on the streets okay. I've mold some tunnels now. The mayor gets pissed. Pinkerton won't come out of this problem. Let's say scared of is the question lousiana coming out is very easy to come out is almost like he's built. His life was threatened for some our reason so he goes to the house and he he tries to force a guy to go in go in drag pinkerton out on the street so he could shoot him. But the guys like i'm not gonna and grab blaze cohort. No jagged an. I'll kill him. You didn't do anything. But i don't wanna go in there and kill get his coat on his head and bring him out to the street and i'm going to shoot him. I doubt mike get killed. kaiser. I'm scared of everything so i don't want i know but i can. I'm not a names anything's ago. Besides that anything is is is nothing that disrupts the fact that you'll drag them out by the way a picture smart guy when i told you to get him because we'll kill him. That's very smart. You have a good mind and didn't even better heart and that's why i've always appreciated years you did. We met no have always found you to be incredible thank you. You told me to go get some sandwiches. I'm gonna go. You get a bunch of get enough for five of us as a great great guy so the guy the guys like. I'm not dragging them out. I'm not and then billy's like okay. And he beats the shit out of the. I you have it your way. No how does beat you mercilus. You asked for this now. An agent of the florida central railroad pinkerton literally. Just he's not leaving it all. He's not gonna leave us out. Come and get me okay. I love that that is a great response to just be. Like how nate morel. Even so an agent of the florida central railroad came through but he was stopped by billy who had a double barrel shotgun. Okay and the agent somehow managed to disarm him get outta town so somehow he got away a whiskey bottle. Save it the billy. Next threatened to horse whip the episcopal minister and his wife lover respected couple. The fact that we have different whips. It's like no no no. That's not for a man that's for horses okay. So he threatened a horse whip the episcopal minister and his wife who are very respected at the town. I'm with you and your wife. You like that whereas you got now. Senator guide so the minister fleas. Jesus he goes to tallahassee complained to the governor and then he comes back to cedar keys and his parish has to escort him to his house so all of his fucking church flown back to his house so pinkerton goes to jacksonville and he comes back with four. Us marshals to capture. Billy this is good. This is this is how you know. You're run as a mayor is going pretty well. Yeah oh yeah. So they arrest marshall mitchell but they cannot find cottrell because he went into hiding when the marshalls can okay so then. Pinkerton set a ta centre telegram to washington. Explaining things are not going great. Okay quote he then called me all the files names. He could think of allowed an angry voice. And said i will make it a hell for you and your set as long as you stay in cedar keys and many other vile things equally bad using all the time in the most profane in vile epa. Epa at a test is he. That's that's not the he didn't say that. Okay okay. so he's like you. He's explaining what happened in the customs house. Arrest like this. It's good right so he has. He's asking to the federal government to get involved a pinkerton. He's gotta get some boys down here so a ship. The mclean could lure sent on may fifteenth eighteen ninety. So this is one of the rare times where we have invaded america america. That's right okay. So several reporters from new york. We're invited to go along on the expedition god. Billy's now known across the country. Newspapers are reporting on his action. Yeah there's a murderous mayor. One wrote quote the prominent promptness with which he will level a pistol weather without on unarmed manned defenseless. Women has won for him the reputation of being determined dangerous customer. Well but by the way this is why you don't let a seven-year-old stabbing holding fled the media just tear. It's just it's again you know. If here's what. I'll relate it to when you have a kitten and you wanna play with the kitten and so you're like oh. The kitten likes it when i like play with its belly and then it like scratches me and it's like we're having a game well then you're creating then you're creating a situation where the when your kitten is a cat it will always be like. Oh i can call the shit out of this person. Yeah so what started as like. Hey it's all good it's like now you've said a terrible attitude forever. It's the same thing if you let puppies bite yes like i'm gonna play by biting you. I like the idea that i went with kitten and you went with puppy. I think it's good to we. Are i think anyone listening is really impressed with this run. It's good it's real very real perfect. So the captain. Thomas smith and his crew come and they are not welcome by everyone in the town shirt. So the tab by everyone in the town not everyone in the front so no not. Abusive city relationship know the mayor. Like we love him. He's a great gift. Giver place hayes. Just little you've got to see him sober. He's the nicest man y'all don't do. He's fantastic so union troops had taken the town twenty five years before and there's still residual anger. Wow so it's the yankees coming in agana says this is why the near times quote. The people here have lived so long in an unreconstructed condition that the appearance of the united states semen in the streets intent on forcing order and obedience is especially galling. That is actually. I mean i can think of so many things that that is applicable to today. Yeah yeah the day before. The ship arrived the new york. Times reported marshall mitch or mitchell had been released and the end quote few good citizens of cedar keys are outraged so they go into the town. He's soldiers and and they need a battalion. Therapists start searching for billy okay. And they're going door to door and kicking in doors. Wow they're doing exactly what the people feared right. What happened right like oh the that was a long time ago. Now we're going to take over your town. The gun in homes without search warrants. They're tossing the houses they're hitting people rifle butts etcetera doing this shit this it's a classic united states occupation threaten to shoot captain smith or anyone who tried to enter his house and then he told the crowd that had gathered gathered that the ship was there on behalf of the us government and everyone was like yeah. They all agreed with them. Like this is not okay not okay yeah give us or give us death. Billy replied that anyone raise sorry. Kevin smith replied that anyone raising a hand against his men would suffer. I have a question literally mean. I meant punch but i said raise your hand. So that's when we talk about what had. Oh i did say it so the boys are gonna shoot you if you well you don't you don't have i'm dead i just die. That's right so i'm sorry i keep talking to. I'm a ghost. yeah. I like goes. What's happening right. Yeah it can be confusing for awhile. It turns out when you're gonna go see pal. Yeah you're a ghost buddy. Talk to coast man. Yeah that's what i yeah. Who are you talking to you sir. I see ghosts okay. Recent goes i'll rat after about twenty minutes. I don't see him anymore. I'm gonna head to heaven. Okay see later. Yeah thanks for coming by. If you needed thing. I can really go for a sandwich. It's really not worth it come. I'll see what it's like. okay. I'll wanna thank you. I hear it's really good up there. That sound of you going. I'm going up. Yeah okay you can stop sure okay. I'll take it back down. That's down the hill. I promised him were. You can't break a promise or you go to hell. I don't even know what kind of brady ones do it on rye. Okay all right. What a nightmare of a so. I got you this Sandwich i wanted that to white. Well now i'm going to hell because he didn't spray your trick. You that goes. Oh my god bad girls so people you know. They're obviously very upset by there by what i mean. There are people. It's now unoccupied. They're going door to door fucking. Yeah well it's called spreading freedoms jerk and they're mad at the guys that would go to houses and make them come and dance. I mean they're well that's not us. Let us do in that time. But the truth is it's like that's what is so alarming about politics and always is how they are able to the lesser of two evil. I mean it's just constantly this like race to the bottom and you're like this one's better. I'm in love with it. Yes that's right. Fight for more neither of these work for us so the times and democrat said the soldiers were called quote hirelings dogs scams in many other bad names. Chairs scam scams rough. How dare they kevin. Smith told them he wasn't going to listen to any more threats and we'll put a stop to it and pretty much. Everyone was like okay. Okay because again. That's what that's what they do is. Yeah still kevin. Smith was horrified by what he saw on cedar key quote the newspaper. Reports are not only not exaggerated but do not tell one half of this man cottrell crimes. The fact is that people here are in perfect state of terror and are unable to obtain assistance or protection from state authorities owing to the influence wielded by cottrell and the methods resorted to in frightening and terrorizing witnesses florida's just making a whole lot more sense now at the same time. As as they were searching the town captains have sent three different groups into the woods and swamps to try and find cottrell. And please do it a swamp check. Yeah and i believe him to be living with the gate. Gave five days rations. They go out. They don't find billy because he had escaped and headed up the sony river and it was off okay so the mayor has fled the town the yes. They tried to go rogue mayor mayor on the run right doug after but there's no way they're gonna catch him in the swamp okay and there's concern if they go inland that they then be ambushed by angry. Angry florida at right. Oh my god so still a fear. Even though they knew billy escaped. Pinkerton requested that the ship stay close by for people who are concerned that bill is going to return okay so we've got to have some emergency hatch ship there so people won't get freaked out. They know that changes come right. So the ship is docked. Okay and they have a big like cannon type gun and they keep shooting it and they keep who keeps shooting the soldiers. Okay and and there and they're shooting small arms but they say it's for practice but it's clearly to scare or intimidate right so they're just like by the way but these are people that are already terrorized. So it's not really a calming right. What seems like everybody is like the way to get them to believe is to scare the shit out of and then they're like they're too scared so we need to go in there and scare the shit out of them so they can never get scared. That really double scared. It's better so the city council holds a meeting where bill's brothers announced. Billy would never return to cedar key and that the city council should declare the office vacant. Okay as far as forces illegally searching houses congress starts getting all these letters about it and they're starting to get worried and then president harrison said. Look it's a local issue but because local law enforcement couldn't handle it he had to bring in forces to deal with it and that's that's what it was so you gotta deal with it right. Billy made his way to alabama because he had family there right. He was arrested on july nineteenth but then released on a five hundred dollar bond and then he never showed up to that trial. Okay on the fifth. There was reported he. He was in montgomery alabama for several days quote drinking freely an acting in his usual style. Sure i mean honestly. I didn't need to know that china. It's this thing. Yeah bag baby israel. God the you're not here. No word beer fear. You're the mayor of beer there. Okay but sad. mayor Was uncomfortable has no one. You're crying you realize you're crying. How been cracked. Okay stab him. Okay well poppet see. I'm going to take off out of it a man. But then ole miss banks all. You're making me respect. You making me feel weird. Let it has to do so and that is has done. That as here doesn't charge. I'm gonna have to kill you. Yeah she much no. I'm not to kill you. it's me. Frank pacu frank. I'm your cousin. Killed me verse. You set up a bitch. Why did you let it on man. Frank just a bit have aol sure give him too yep so he was arrested after getting drunk and starting a fight with a restaurant owner sure and the charges disorderly. They already know what that situation was. He was asked to not drink anymore. Oh for sure. Charges disorderly conduct and after he left the police station after he got got out on bail. Or whatever billy swore he would get revenge on the police. Chief of k y the police chief because the police chief arrested him for and let him go left. Okay bail but he was. You know you're gonna take that. Well i mean he ran away the last time. I just run away. You take it though. Some guy wrestlers take. That's bullshit that's right. What was the last time. It was against the law to punch a guy. It's always been against a that's right. It's illegal anywhere a good talk. So he says he's going to get revenge on the police chief and he tells friends he's going to kill him and the cheese that she the police friends like. Hey you gotta watch out for this guy crazy to be like. I just want you twenty my closest individual friends who have just kind of a new situation and how. I'm going to kill the police chief. It's always worked. Yeah i guess. Yeah right i guess yeah. Public intimidation the next morning is sends a dual challenge to the chief who ignores it to challenges. Oh i see james like let's dual industry. Okay i'm not going to do. Well mr direst vape pay. Would you like to or not. It's not okay tame it. He's gotta chief just ignored it. He's not rsvp. So billy rolls up to the police station in a horse-drawn carriage at eleven am perfect. Please shave isn't really interested in whatever. Billy's planning on doing it right. And as cottrell gets out of the carriage the chief of police shot him twice with a shotgun. Shit billy was hit once in the torso and once in the i the face. Wow he died bleeding in the street. Jesus christ you. Hey you're not in florida anymore. No but he was like. I got like he was really building up for an event to horse-drawn carriage. Yeah he was ready to go to have a dual once. I get up there pound on the door. Set off the fireworks okay. That's when we'll do the whole. And that's when i'll go up there and jesus christ my eyeballs gone my head. I'm dying. I'm dead is anyone wanted to think from heaven. I would like trump sam. What bread options. i have. Okay so. The montgomery advertiser called it. A quote. Bloody and ghastly spectacle. Jesus christ i bet. The police chief of police plead self defense and the corner agreed. You can tell by the shots through the body. And the i that this was retaliatory. That's right because bill is a monster and he was threatened to kill him so near near time it felt i was assuming at some point he would be killed but it just was starting to feel like every like cake. Kill him like he's got skin he's got organizer special guy. No no he's brains all over the ground no special brains everywhere. He was nothing big. It's no well. I think that if we shoot him the world will brain dead. Just don't do it cadaver whiskey. Yeah shoot him. Jesus christ still moving. The new york times headline was quote cottrell. Last the san francisco call headline quote. A bad career ended several inches. Like fuck this guy. Yeah it is believed that in his life he killed somewhere between five and ten people. That's crazy. Thank you mr mayor for your service to see just a complete and total tyrant and lunatic Sources accepts calls springville journal. Iron county registered. New york times to tacoma daily. Ledger new york tribune in times and democrat ridiculous history podcast smithsonian magazine history of florida past and present historical and biographical by harry gardner. I love a harry gardener I if feels like we're getting closer to that than further away. Like if you had told me that ten years ago i'd have been like that's really wild and now it's like i could see that literally happening in florida. Great good so we are happy hotdogs. Oh did Dylan give you that shirt. Dealing gave us those shirts the name he told us where to get them. Oh that's right dylan reeves tickled to tingled living a wonderful life in new zealand. Yeah well we'll see how long that i'll marry you all right everybody. God bless gobble-gobble. Hi everybody this is. Gareth reynolds from the podcast. This is the show. You're listening to wanted to give you some updates coming up. July twenty second th through the twenty fifth. I'll be at comedy on state in madison wisconsin. 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495 - Jedediah Smith

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495 - Jedediah Smith

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Nine year of our lord was every year the lord of jesus single one is the year of all years of the. We need to say my question. Well yeah because this is a christian. Podcast podcast right. Yeah we need to talk fair later about a couple of things. I forgot to do. The music Great what does that mean. We don't do it this new music this week. Okay rose this the whole things in shambles. This is a nightmare. This is in the christian as shambles or in champ it would be in shambles shambles. It's not a shambles. It's not a shambles no shambles as a clown shambles. It's the clown and you don't want shambles. Come into your party. he's not good. I got a budget receipts. Ma'am up. don't worry. I'll talk too hard on before the party. I'm looking on the screen over here and said directly. I you great much better for me. Have you seen one hundred foot wave on. Hbo why don't we start. Have you seen it. Let's go january. Six seventeen ninety nine fucking awesome. Great j six hundred ninety nine jedidiah. Strong smith was born in strong smith. Name stuff as you can said that strong smith. Well he's gonna be very religious and if you need a strong fixed to go to dye one of those babies that are born with muscles if you ever seen those baby. There's that russian kid is. I've got my eye on him. I haven't seen him since he was a german kid when we were young too. That was like ball often. Guess i mean really that i feel like the authorities should just really be on watch and that it's genetic it's like. What are you forcing him to do. Moving moving on. Yeah exactly. we'd start to allow now. It's time for forty five thousand pushups before oatmeal. Joe was born in new york state and a little while after that they moved to erie pennsylvania whereas you and then to ask tub boola ohio. Asha tabua right fair enough Parents kraut thirteen kids altogether. You go keep it movin. There's a line linebacker here. Keep it up front. A lot of fucking out of babies conveyor belt neighbor took interest in jim newborns pregnant. That's seems strange coming out like that. Now we've done such a good job boy so neighbor takes interest in them. I don't know what that means neighbor takes interest in jeddah interesting boy. Okay conversation not can't do that now and todd had dinner with your sin. Taught him the quote resume. It's of an english education and smattering of latin. Okay so he taught him so. Jedidiah was just going to go through life on educated and then this guy was like you should be able to read. What if you're not a dummy right okay So this neighbor probably gave his prized copy of the journals of lewis. And clark okay. So we've never covered lewis and clark which would probably will at some point. It's very famous story. But the guys who went across i basically. Yeah well a white guy really. They were like burning so lucky that there's another hot fire here. We really well so this got him really interested in exploring the american west. Okay now. he's thirteen he. Got a job as a cleric on a great lakes freighter sheriff. So he's working at thirteen. You do that just to be weird you guys now. We're going to get back. Why did you start so late. Yeah that's what i say. At twenty three he moves to saint. Louis sure what go-carts go-carts what's happening right now. He loves the go-carts there. Oh in saint louis yes. They're errands favor erin. Likes the go-carts and saint louis loves riding So i- writes his life. Goals were to quote to become a first rate. Hunter make myself thoroughly acquainted with the indians trace out the sources of the columbia river and make the whole profitable to me well. The last one is why we're hearing about it. Obviously because it is a sweet list to start off with the then the end. It's like zion. Jeffrey baiser So here's what i wanna do. I wanna say. I wanna be really good hunter. Great that's important to meet the people that live out there not now. Let me tell you this. Because i love him. Not enough people. Who are doing that because what we find a lot of times here is that people really have no interest in the white and the white. The white man has been really unfair. I think in ways that they have taken and not learn. I think there's so much tolerance. I think that's a great instinct for you yet. Hunt to to meet people out the source of the columbia river. Where does it come from. Where does this columbia river. We actually were just talking about that the other day trying to figure out right. Well i mean it's helpful to know that current wise. That's going to be as far as a beaver trapping and things of that nature just the fourth one is one a mixup a okay. So i turn it into cash eight. Am meeting those those native americans. How do i turn that into fucking money. no no comey rivers. Turn that money hunting. Turn that into money. No no no. Every thing on that beaver privately single thing that be roman. It's the pelts. Stop dashi the eyeballs. That look fail thing. Sell it. And then i make money money right okay. I'm going to bring it in cash. Blood coming out of your house happening a profit. Oh my god. In february eighteen twenty two rate to meet you. Nice to meet you. How can i turn this in the money. Just meeting william h ashley sought a one hundred quote young men of enterprise to ascend the missouri river to its source. Okay this is right up our boys al. Yeah it would take three years going through. What is now kansas and then up through the dakotas in montana take years what about. Here's what i what. I hear that if i'm around that time thinking what about me sitting on the porch with a rocking chair well the truth is it's that were like it's just impossible to wrap your mind around that concept because if you were to three years into something now the immediate benefit you would have to be guaranteed in order to invest. But they were just like there's nothing going on we're gonna find out where there's rivers starts. Okay yet live dead okay. Be our la. That'll be rap. Put some years in. That could take three to fifteen years. But it'll be worth it. We literally have fuck all else to do. It's either that or just died eaten shit. I'm kinda leaning towards the diane. i'm not heighten that pitch neither bad all right. Well then we won't look for. We'll sit here and we'll just bowl just die. I'm fine with it. I'm going to bring in the yellow fever. Great that's always wanted to die for something along those the boys fever and got a bunch of coming down in buckets okay. Let's do this favors work. So that's bring jetted i- heads up river on the keelboat enterprise captains look well connected to another captain's log i think. Van fourth captain's log followed by fifth cap a tidy captains. This whole vessel is captain's log. Okay three weeks sake. Oh that's pretty good as good rats. Pretty good it's a good run. That's pretty good. That's better than most of our wages. We hear so they're stuck there. They got to hunt and forage while they're waiting for a replacement to come chair. Replacement calms in october. They make it to fort henry in southeast montana okay. Major andrew. henry was in charge of fort henry. Okay so see how. Yeah it's just like when you discover. Yeah this is better than this covering. You're building something and you go. I'm going to name this after after me. Yes because i'm pretty. Yeah pretty well. It's i mean really whites just hgtv the country right. They just went and they're like. Oh this needs to be a mall saint louis. Let's put some go-carts that's what will be known for in this town and nothing more stupid little cars with bumpers. Raise each other with stupid helmets while tires buffer around the brink. I don't think they're stupid. They're damn okay so jedidiah heads up north of the fort trap. He's very gentle. He's very religious as we get from his name. He always carried a bible and he sang gospel songs while riding through the bustle. Or what did you what a dream partner did nothing. But i the lord hapless does once again and now we're and now lord hat players this land at something else hard hat last. I heard and i just like let's sing a song about the no shave hair raised but the lower dark and mysterious ways lower blaze line. Can we saw lion not about the lord game on day. Said boys this guys. My baby sees past. That was way within two. That's the way we're live lila. Lord blessed it blessed land lord dead last last this land lower deblaze with kids hand saying reporter now too. We're in his kids and they put in the fate and two in the hand. Can i ask you question. Yeah you've been seeing these religious for four hundred fucking mile. Never thought about shut your goddamn god hold. I'll tell you what i had thought about. Though where all the grass came down from the sky same with the rain navy. Think about that. Like what if you're an atheist. I can't imagine me this time. I mary was. Oh my god actually like i mean. It's even tough now to pose questions back. Then you were like. I mean you really think what if there's no there's no garden of no garden so jeopardize methodist cher. He doesn't smoke. He doesn't swear he doesn't fuck unlike other men he was clean-shaven andy bathed regularly he used. So you didn't fuck so is a man of the he won't fuck the only guy you know. He's got no beard and he's bathed. Yeah it's really. Fortunately i just do that. For passage to heaven. His fellow trappers called him bible toter or old jet scher local natives at some point stole about fifty of major. Henry's horses okay so without horses. The trappers can't move very far from the fort hence probably why they still right. So general ashley is at this point. He's on his way from saint. Louis so jetted. I is sent to meet him on a canoe down the river. And tell them to get more horses from the su- or any other people around if you can when you're coming up So it meets up with ashley in may of eighteen twenty three and So actually stops him barters with the say this not every kara for horses okay and they had built a timber structure on a sandbar and the river. Perfect to block boats from going up. So that's a red flag situation if you like if you're if you're saying white guy on a big boat this big wall. Here's a bit of a bother. Am i going to coordinate around that. It's been a tough isn't it. Excuse me open the door or whatever. So it's like indiana. They seem friendly except for this giant pile of shit nar way. It's almost like they put there on purpose. Odd isn't it so actually exchanged gifts and then buys nineteen horses from them and two hundred buffalo robes. Right okay and then. There's like thick rope ropes. Right rupe buffalo. Ropes robe robe robe better. Yeah oh yeah Way better yeah. Although buffalo up seems like it'd be cool be great. I hope someone made buffalo mean something. There was a lot of buffalo that that'd be great. It's shit out of. Yeah i than laying around. Yeah that'd be really important. So they tight tight the horses the way they type horses back then as they would tie their legs together awesome and so they wouldn't run away so it's like a three legged race horse situation. Okay so they haven't they put them in sacks and make them carry an egg on a spoon. my god. I would pay to watch that. So that's kept horses running away so they all the horses line up on the riverbank And then they go to sleep on the boats or the or the on the keelboat or the riverbank and they're gonna leave the next morning. Okay but it turns out the site ryan i e kara again are like more horses that they've been screwed over by white guys before and they're not really interested in having white people around so six hundred attack that night. Oh okay and dave as far as battles go. That's a big number. That's a large number of. I sleep attack actually as forty guys okay. Less no hold on a second. I get a paper here. You're not gonna no no. No that's closed. It seems like a dominating force. It's much more than forty forty six hundred forty or sleeping. Yeah okay twelve died. I mean you literally could just be like we're just gonna put ten on each person and just beat the fucking it so twelve and eleven wounded and the next morning actually orders his party to try advancing up the river again. Smart he's goes. Hey boys let's get up there. The problem is we haven't made it. Perhaps you didn't hear me when we started from saint louis but this is about money. Yeah so we got to get up there even if all you have to die. Everybody refused to go and the reason being probably because now there's like sixteen of them right. The numbers have dwindled. Six hundred of the other guy right right only one. I'll go jedidiah. Oh my god. I got this with the laura my back. I'll be able to figure it out so obviously you can't advance with one person so he actually didn't ask for volunteers to ride two hundred miles to fort benton and again. Only one guy volunteered jet agenda. I'll do it so actually gets a french. Canadian trapper named about to go with genita- okay. What's what we're just going to go from this for. I am part of the story now so wait ideas we got together. Where we're going. We go to fort your french to We yes we are doing. Yes well. I was thought you were from here. That's the only accent i do. So but you could just be a guy who speaks regular y- you've chosen guy. I guess so. So they had off onto horses They're going at night as not be tracked. Perfect because there's bands of the locals trying to kill him. Share seeking the night pitcher. Dwight great. with me we're worried about the six hundred guys getting its darkest so one of the night. They came across three warriors asleep by a campfire. And they killed them as they slapped. Took their horses share as you supposed to do. Well very brave. It feel it feel. It feels like if you're them you've got to be like you know you've got to kind of just assume it's going to try to kill you. Everyone's gonna try to kill you at this point. What is the plan that we just slipped assault and take the horses from france still makes no sense but what i hear when i'm around you what. It is quite sultan to be honest. I will you be authentic you instead of pretending to be me as wehrley confused. But we're gonna talk like myself. Osam fucking down a my gut. This voice is what. I'm talking like this much better. We should change your name to the whole. Your whole seeing is dog shit francois so now when they killed the warriors jedidiah was pretty upset because battiste took their scalps and he was like okay. That's disrespectful that's egregious. Well just thinking about it from a. It's weird yes for sure. Perfect look what i got. This is great. now we've got to so eventually. is your head bag. Where's your bag for their heads. Oh i don't have a bag for heads. I'm actually not into that. It's not our thing. That's actually a native american practices. And they probably do it. They're probably doing it for centuries and so you know my accent i saw. What are the whole thing is. We're doing different cultures. Now so i just. I see yes okay. No it's it's it's supposed to just sit here and just french fries and decor rancher dipping. Sultana time and be like you. What the fuck sending me. It'd be jared pacific disgusting. No you're you're just fucked up you're out of your fucking mind you're not tell you it's not those our minds guys guy's head that just got off. That says a good joke come on. What's your head bag possess captions. There are no good smell after. I got puts them down the front of our. That's not okay. So they eventually make it to fort benton and they get helping whenever the men get out of actually men. Get out of there okay. So on his expedition. Jedidiah leads a small party to south dakota and western wyoming. Sure there the first known white people to go there okay. In the black hills in a way by the way is that. That's kind of an advantage in a way right. I white guys. Yeah because you. Because he'd know they're not sure what you are. Yeah who'd rather go in unsure than people knowing what a white person once once the white secrets out right then. It's bad because they they learn like oh. These people can't be trusted all and they're murderers right. Yes so in the black hills. A grizzly bear surprised jedidiah donnie. She cannot be here or did i. I'm not god and yet they come out of the thicket like just springs out of the and jedidiah is on his horse gets knocked off his horse at it and the bear grabs jedidiah by the head. Oh my lord not okay. Jedidiah fights back and and beats the bear off until it gives up and runs off. she's christie beats bearup. Well i mean he got the worst of it he. He beat the bear off off difference. Okay jeopardize a mess. Okay see i mean it. I guess it doesn't. It takes very little bear contact to be one. Grab your head. Yeah grab your head grabbing volleyball not grabbing and being the come just trying to get the palm. I'll put your hands on my ause. It's called stage combat. So several his ribs are broken and his scalp has been ripped off to the bone epstein here one of his ears is just dangling from the side of his head nearly torn off okay. Sure she's so the other guys with they're pretty horrifying. It doesn't look great and there's no mirror it's hard to know mirror. How bad is it could be better. It's your love your head is off. A lot of my ear hurts. Yeah well not really. Most of the side of the air is bad and pain wise. It's it looks more like an earring right now because the way it's hanging so kinda cool. No okay yeah. It's not the over here. Yeah you should be. Because i didn't even have the choice to lay down. But i'm laying down should definitely laid out. I would lead. Yeah sleepy so they all think he's going to die because head open guy. Sure jetted. I asked me goes. Can you guys give me some water out. Cool water water so thursday. And then he talks very calmly and he talks to fellow trappers. Buddy james james climate talks him through cutting away the blood-soaked hair trim right now. Good sure if you could just get with a well. It just feels like with my head off that the hair sticks out. Ib doesn't look aesthetically. I think we just. But i just feel like i feel. I feel like an idiot. I wouldn't worry about that. It's really this a good time for a cut okay. We'll just take a trip. Take like a half inch. That's all sure. And then they get he gets a needle thread from his saddlebag. Who too but jedidiah. What he's up. I'll do it. And he talks climbing through sewing his scalp back into place. Oh i'm not even pizza. I just and climb his sewing his ear back on which climate even believe. He can do but he did. It was like you really got to try to put their back on. Is that bad things hanging. And then he does he finishes on the. It's all kind of sewn back in place not not like a surgeon would do it but more like a random guy like if you if you went to if you went to a truck stop somebody showing my head back. Put my ear on. Yeah that's more like payless. So it's pretty haphazard and when it's over he takes ready for my close up. How i ripped it off accident and when it's over agenda it takes a long drink of water. And then he gets on his horse. But you i think the night and they head back to their camp in the hills. He's like let's go. Let's go buy good. I'm ready to go haha. Oh god damn now the guys he's with their like he's placating. They're like yeah. This all good blonde last big ride buddy gray. You're fine so they wrong kick off the horses hoses not feeling great. So they go off to get help a bunch of her and the two chapters stay with genitalia and they help them heal for a few days until they get surprised by a band of native native. One of them's dead. He's too busy and semi jedidiah when they get attacked. He manages to hide in some bushes. Good for the wound. I've found some dirt and the and the the native americans they take everything everything. That's there the campaign grab it. All and only thing is left with is a rifle knife flint and his bible. Now the other trappers dead okay. So he has alone again with the bible and a gun and some bible very compromising wound. Okay so he opens it and reads his bible opens. What scalp the bible. All right is a guitar. Read your bible. Yeah i share. What are some words of wisdom focusing. By is is tough. He read quote he is chastened also with pain upon his bed and the multiple multitude of his bones and strong pain yes his soul off near to the grave and his life to the destroyers his flesh shelby fresher than a child. He shaw returned to the days of his youth. Show praying to god and he will be favorable onto him. So he's like if. I pray hard enough. I'm gonna live because i got this. Okay so the next morning. He is in incredible pain because as members head got his got ripped off. His head still hurts. It's not good. Yeah and his buddies stitched on kind of and he can't walk so he drags himself over to the river because he remembers that day put beaver traps there and the don't follow them. But the american indians did not find the beaver trap so he goes over that he finds one beaver or beaver and he cooks it and eat and on the third day he managed to shoot a buck. Wow and he ate to meet until it goes bad. Jesus now he couldn't cleaner dresses wounds. And obviously that means infections a big. Because you're if you've ever had your scalp ripped off and then soda back together. Now the would i would. I mean in today's they. This gentleman would be on antibiotics. Yes that's right big. Look it out for those infections. From his bible. And i wish there was a section here about what to do with searchers too. So he's allies. He's kingdom like that three days. Go by and then the other guys come back with a party. At trappers they come across and they feed him and they dresses wounds and then they did. They had. They had down the bighorn river to yellowstone these boats. Sure now a crow had told them of a place he's being a crow had told them not not an actual crowd a native american. Okay of the of the people okay. Different had told them again. They're not talking to crows yet. Well listen i've talked to a crow. I know you have a raven does my taxes. And he tells them there's a place nearby that's just got tons of beaver. So aaron grow up. Yeah jesus so this places. A lot of weight. So he's now he's now okay and a like he's not clearly not infected to the point where it's sewed back together. He doesn't look great. Does he want to take a little like a little time. No he's he's his bones man all right. He's still thinking Yes so his his. It's like tilted sorta weird a chair and his one of his eyes. Squint the way they sewed it together. He's basically got to pay but his scalp. Yeah the rest of his life. He has a big comb over situation going on. Look shoop well for sure. Well i don't know if that's necessarily for him to is serta. Everyone knew him by that. Yeah no because he was attacked and mauled by a bear. No so he was like you know. Why don't we offer a new hairstyle. Scalp provides little so. I guess what i'll do is just put it all in one area. So he's a deformed areas a squirting in the long long long wispy longed ones. Doing it long to one side like that. Now that's a good luck reserve that undertaker's and films a so they end up spending the winter at crow village and they would join the crawl on hans juda estimated. They killed over a thousand buffalo that year which is totally unnecessary. Where yeah you're bragging about that would be like that's actually like wait really messed talk. Yeah yeah we'll shown so so. In the spring the men learned of crow route across the continental. Divide over the south. Pass in wyoming. Okay so they took that what are they. Are they still trying to. What are they going for now. He's he's still trying to get to places where no one's been okay so sort of explorer. Okay This the south pass route. They didn't find it but they sort of rediscovered it and then tons of people would end up using that route that sounds like the brits yeah so some eighteen twenty six they go to rendezvous place so rendezvous is an annual for trading furqan for com. They go to for it's hundred percent for. That's what it is. It's for a kid. Okay so yeah so it happened one. I can't believe what you're doing with this year. You cape reinventing the wheel over your scratch. Thank you i'm believable. Gaza got coffee like well. This guy's done he's made a bowl out of a. Yeah he's he's who is crazy. Keep your land. Your donya boys lost fucking mind. I can hear you whale okay. No i forgot. I was talking to you when i said that Anyway you're you're out of your phone a to ask no no no those. What animal are the teeth. Humans okay relatives okay. Everyone of these teeth is from someone. I've met and we should not do that. Have do you have any friends people that you. How long have you been out. This here is an ashtray made out of my uncles tape. I have to go all right so we headed. It's not gonna go to the bathroom. Same here nope yeah. Different one you can one or two best friend. So here's a run. All the all the trappers come together the traders trappers they they buy furs. They sell whiskey three but for beaver supplies right. it's a drunken crazy off as hookups. It sounds like one of the worst places to ever go to go there. Oh the smell. so trag. that sturgis trappers. could go and selby repellents. And they wouldn't have to go to st louis to sell them right. They sell them for less but the trip isn't happening shirts a it's a wash whiskey tobacco coffee all very expensive. Everything's expensive because it's where it is. It's the middle of for con. Other supply of this trappers would use get march two twenty percent. Just lose the threat on going a little because they can sell basically. It's just a fucking party right. it's a it's a con right. You get to hang out with your broza biz. Talk beaver business get hammered. They'd they'd spent a whole season's earnings on whiskey and women and good times and just bad thing to do things like the more i hear about it. You want avoid for so well. I lost my years well. I hope i'm happy but i got shift. Thanks coffee the memories. I almost had a a really good trapper. we'd go there with three or four hundred pounds after a season in nine hundred five jetted. I rolled in was six hundred sixty eight. And then he. He formed a partnership with To trappers one was william submit. Where's the other one by one who comes up in the future was the visit. When you don't want to break your lease someone moves in for u. s. okay. I don't know what that means to be named after me william sublet. Menem's these you pay me. Nobody's the wiser. They end up. Buying out william ashley share of his trapping operation for sixteen thousand now. Jesus they didn't they didn't buy it all but they like they were gonna pay him off over a couple of years. It's a sort of an acquisition. Yeah so the partnership goes great. The first year his partners go north or in the area and jeopardized is go south shares. The like fan out. We'll get a budget be repels and come back to run next year okay. Now let's party goes north and there. They quickly learn. Horses cannot make it through the frozen plains on the little bit of vegetation. That's around okay. Great lesson so those horses. Don't make it okay or eaten okay. Great they ate the horses. What else do i was the mission. Well i'll tell you. I don't feel like eating horse for a while. It's a nightmare. Terrible absolute hell on earth. So they ended up walking and barely surviving. They had a dog which eventually they killed an eight as well. Well this at some point some nights they had to just keep walking to avoid avoid freezing to so temperatures. You've ever been in that area of the country. I cannot explain how fucking call that is. When there's a fucking cold air blowing down from canada. Yeah so. They just had to keep walking. They couldn't sleep. Yeah luckily they come across and native americans who save them and give them shelter and food for the winter once again too nice. Yep you regret this. Come back to haunt you. The whole helping people out thing just me. You can trust us forever. So meanwhile jedidiah is exploring the shoreline of great salt lake. Okay and he would always name places ignoring that they might already have names. Yes so he did. He was quite. He named a river adams river for president. John quincy adams. Although today it's the virgin river which is named after one of his companions ties. Virgin someday i won't have sex but bell minutes right. I'm okay have you been fucking you'd be all right I guess he's not gonna say anything. Dad who thirty bieber's there are no beavers here. Not in the salt lake area enter in mid-september they're almost dried me. That's what they're surviving on. Okay so one day as setting up camp over a dozen pilots are watching them. Okay again. Another another group event in the local people watching them and Jedidiah walks out alone to invite one camp k. And one payton incomes and he's holding a rabbit out which who is the pie okay. He's like that means. Yeah right right and generally accepted accepts. Innings speaks very kindly with them and soon other people come down and start approaching. Would they'd have like an era corn all like. Hey we're here to be friendly a lot of rabbits. I don't know if i need all quite all of these. This is over thirty rabbits which is fantastic. No more ravage though. Can i. I too many Rabbit you keep thank you so much literally can't do enough with these. I'm going to start handing them back to you. If you were really trying to get rid of these yes a lot so we just want to get rid of all right. Great bring him down. Here's another four holy fuck. That's is that a wheelbarrow. Yes no bringing. The truck no acted up. Jedidiah gives them gifts in return. No razor knives gunpowder. Some lead balls. That kind of business. And i was not expecting that they're big. It wasn't a good joke. A gotcha so they stay for awhile. Okay and They trade iron for produce corn and pumpkins so that these people are giving them food and in return. They're getting iron and shit to make weapons weapons. Yeah but the could not tell them much about going south. There's desert down there and they don't because they've never been like. Hey let's walk through that fucking desert. We're good here with food. We've got a bunch of rabbits so after a while jeopardize group goes south. It's hot it's super fucking hot. The men the horses are having a really hard time right. So now they're in a part of zion national park. Okay which is fucking the best place in america. Yeah janet i said he quote a learned what it was to do without food. So this is the bible. Man's way of saying i'm dying. Holy fuck hungry. There's almost no game is hardly any freshwater It's taken two days to get from one waterhole to the next and then when they reached the colorado river the horses are dying and they end up eating horses share. I figured the horses. Yeah they're not going to the river water's muddy so it wasn't yom good water day grainy when They moved on over half. The horses are dead so a lot of the men are now foot and then they enter the hobby desert. Oh i'm sorry. And then names. Like i feel like it's about to cool off a little bit son of a bitch about the worst part of this into the worst part now. Okay now they get to. What is like around needles california now. Okay and they run across the mohave indians. Okay and they give them shelter for fifteen days and let them recuperate. They're fucking mess and they feed the melons and vegetables from their garden and they tell make note we should come back and ruined it. They tell jedidiah that there is an old indian trail across the desert. That goes from the spanish missions in california to here. Okay and so can you take me and so two guidelines to discover it if you could show it to me. Show me where that is discovered for everyone we like the name trail. Yes i'm after. Is these so these two guides know the way because they had fled from the mission. San gabriel i just to hop just after money. It's just he's wants cash so for fifteen days they try to follow the mojave river but it keeps disappearing because it's a river does just vanishes well. That was another break here for awhile. Rivers a ken dirt suggested he. He tried to end the mojave river the inconstant river but it never stuck yeah. It's a great name yeah constant. What about my hobby. No deals made up. Well it's actually the name of the people and the and it's not steve river. we'll call it greats. Not they're all charge five dollars to look at it great perfect. We're good money so it's really hot. There fucking thirsty shit but they they make it to california following this trail. And he's there the first white man to make this overland southwest the mojave route. yeah they did so independently. It's remarkable a of the first guy to follow a couple of like i the first guy who needed to be mellon fueled. I'm the first man who needs a lot of suntan lotion to go. This way i did it all by myself except for when they fully carried me with mellon for a fortnight other than that i did it all and then discovered it amazing. Feed when i did this thing where people feed me melons for fifteen. Able the thank mainly me. So now they're in the san bernardino valleys. It's like paradise compared to where they've been the sheet. There's countless horses grazing green green stream. We call bakersfield. Ah victorville today. So the half starved men meet some friars at mission ranch and they escort them to mission. San gabriel okay. It's about nine miles east of downtown los angeles now. I think. I wanna act others like pretending a bit strange. Hello i'm here to make films. I just like to look into camera and say things like we'll be right back. So there's a padre in charge of everything father joseph and he allows jetted aisles jeopardize men to eat and rest there and then response to that jet named mountains after chair. Whatever it's like. Thank you for the biscuit if you look over there. That one's named joe next door stormy like and instead of paying you. That mcdonald's is now kathy's okay thank you so much. I can't give you money but that mcdonald's is yours just don't even worry about it so california spanish territory so that means jedidiah and his party are there illegally right and he's taken because of the whites were illegal in california. Just fucking amazing. The topsy turvy. So he is dan because of this taken to the governor in san jose. Okay wants to see him okay. San jose whatever petersburg friend have renamed or city. It's now jeff now jedidiah so the spanish colonizers they know nothing about trapping beavers and in a report written for the governor. They call jedidiah fishermen because it was a close thing because he was like now the wet animals. We're looking for. What animal just furry fish. He's rarely quixote a wet. It's a wet animal. They'll wet eve sheets. it's a. it's a tree. Edith aches dan. you debut swearing at me. For some god golic a hammer tale. It's a hammer tailed. Fish tree muncher not a fish. It is a fish. I'm getting extreme confirmation. This is a fish. It's not a got big teeth teeth. Fish got got tree teeth. Hammerton got three teeth. He's got a hammer tail and he's a fish but he's into dream fish he's definitely a furry yes animal yes. No dish almost okay. He is okay. We close wet dog. He's a wet puppy with a hammer tail. We know those so the he's like what the fuck is this guy. He's suspicious and then and now they're like these guys are spies. Okay good says. The fucking spice. They're they're here spying for whatever. Shang lender france right so jared. I can't convince them that. He was quote only hunter and that dire necessity driven me here. He can't commit some of that so he's put under house arrest in for some reason they put them in the house restaurant san diego give me that they are moving around the state you know. It's amazing and he's and he and his it was easier to get around the state then really crazy okay. He's under arrest and take him. I guess to san diego and they took what they called a light rail. It's really nice there. The weather is a really just sorta seventy five all the time. It's perfect beautiful view. Yeah have you seen simon and simon. Yes yeah it's like that it's a so if you wanna be detective. It's a good place to be great and that's a yes so there for six weeks under under lock and key sure. And then there's there's three american merchant ships that are anchored in the bay and they and they vouch for him for some reason. I don't know what happened there. But they're like now he's a good guy without knowing they must have gone and talked to him or something are found out about him so share so jetted. I and his men are then release because of the word these guys gets crazy on the condition that they leave california okay and they have to leave the same way. They came what that's bullshit that's like that's like where you're just being like addictive and You must go back through how to get home. So jared i agree because what else you wasn't going to say but he's also like there's no way i'm going through the fucking maha being absolutely not or really even leave california right and it's pretty big so he he wants to try instead an unexplored route because that's his whole jim right all about that. So he heads north and he goes across the me mounds and he goes into the san joaquin valley which is rivers and very nice and they north and they're fishing and trapping and monterey and the san francisco bay so they're kind of going over a little california event. Yeah they're doing a little thing and then they get to the american river which is near sacramento k. Their their horses now are packing over. Fifteen hundred pounds beaver pelts. So they're scoring i. It's amazing that the that the spanish in charge didn't know what beavers were didn't quite understand were telling is never beavers. Yeah and and they rest and then in may nineteen twenty. Seven horses was exhau- they go east over the mountains. Okay and five. Horses die in the snow because it's snowing heavily. Sure so they have to retreat seventy miles seventy miles back to the stanislas river. Okay and jedidiah then. Takes two men named evans and google and they. He tries to cross with them just again. And he's gonna return with supplies. You guys stay here. I'll go get supplies. We can make the journey sure and he says four months. I'll be back in form us. Let's i. I don't know what life beg nightmare. I know it's just how it worked you. Can you hang on for four months. If i know. we're dying. Do you have four months left in the tank. If i don't come back in four months go ahead. And i guess just die after four months. No it's your turn to leave and try to wait. Wait for a pin in dying on. I four months and then let's decide so he leaves behind eleven guys. Now they build log cabins and just start trapping where they are stanislas but spanish authorities of this. Now they're like. Hey they go back through the mojave at all. That's not what we said now. They've heard jedidiah violated the agree league which has go. Yeah and then. He's still in california. So these soldiers come to the camp but jedidiah has gone right so they're like what we do. They they talk to the man they believe. The men are gonna leave in when they get a chance. After winter's over he's he's he's literally coming right back. It'll just be about a month. And so so they let him stay there. But it's a little fee right okay. So jeddah's party crosses the sierra. It takes days and now they're in the great basin which is hell greatest. We're back to dried nightmarish. Okay believable so they have four. Pack animals. They stayed started with seven sure. Well the yummy yum. It's less and crossing. Like i said it's fucking hell one by one as they're crossing the great basin the horses start dying whether killing them for food one or the other cool then. Their water runs out great. And they're eating the flesh that drinking the blood of the horses You just prizes pogo hole-in-one analogous spit. Yeah it's like the gatorade ads eventually. You're just sweating the read. That's right it's working. On june twenty fifth evans collapsed from thirst and exhaustion. Kiss blood career out. Okay good news. Bad news evans is dead. Good news we eat tonight and we can finally get some blood. God i'm so thirsty for A big cold club. Big cold cup of evans. It'll be so good. Oh god evans hang on. But if not we're going to pound your blood so fast i'm gonna drink punchbowl. Oh you know what. I might drink my own actually. Don't you fucking dare drink your break open marnie. A god looks tall. Part of one cycle. Then you once you pass. I'll have it too. So after they talked jedidiah and decide to just leave evans gone without him. Chicken blood jetted. I wrote in his diary quote. We could do no good by remaining to die with him. Drink his blood. I mean if you're drinking out at least suck out an eye at the very least take something three miles. Take your balls for comedy all right but only comedy which just said we're gonna hang it on the back of our hats like it's on the dash three hours later. They come across a small waterhole and they drink like fish. Yeah like harry harry fish. Yeah harry fish. Jedidiah fills container with water and he puts a piece of horse meat in it. Well that better than cork while. I'm gonna put this in here. Because i have no idea what the fuck i'm doing. This is going to be terrible. This is what we call tupperware. Well he does that and then he hurries back to evans okay. So he's like evans jedidiah quote putting the kettle to his mouth. He did not take it away until he had drank all the water. Which there was at least four or five quarts and then asked me why i had not brought more. Yeah so that's it. What was that horse meat at the end. Have you tried vitamin water. It's like i'm trying horse. Yeah it's a nice tangy but it's nice good chunks. It's like yeah we can you jog now or what's your deal. Bring more water to me a couple. We're gonna run. You're going to have to run to the weather's water there. You've got a run for it so he can have one of my lazy as well. Let's run on sunday. 'cause it sure feels like cattle prod. We're about to use. Gosh just so tired. Yeah here we go. I feel like channel surfing. You've watched bar rescue. Yes that shows. Great i love it the host. He was like right wing lunatic. I mean there's that so evan survives and they move on together now they now see the great salt lake there. The first men white men to cross the great basin over a thousand miles mostly on the first men who white i would imagine maybe the first man because i think most native americans like why the fuck would you walk that way. Because we're looking for money domain. We'll dip chicks. You see where motivated by making money. Like a nightmare for this blames. We're not going to rest until it. All fucking god. Hello capitalism's here. We're going to ruin this knock knock. May we come in. We're ardian welcome to the bb apocalypse. Did you like having them around. that's over. let's do that with everything. So on july third could be a mall on july third they stumble into bear lake which is where every year is held rendezvous. Oh no they role in in the middle of rendezvous. Did they don't know they're going to run day vu. I think they didn't. They probably didn't know the timing of it all but they rolled in when fucking trap con going on so they've discovered something but now they're just randomly at at trap back where they started there at for where they started. Okay it's yeah. It's right above eighteen twenty seven. Everyone just cannot believe because they thought they were dead. They've seen them in so long. We thought you guys were all dead. We kind of were they shoot a small cannon to celebrate their back but dagger one day it also been firing the cannon all rendezvous so it's kinda right not really yeah right. The guy was like you got do a shot to celebrate fifteen good baby cannon. Now jen partners. Who had gone north in there. They they did well and so they had a bunch of beaver pelts. He didn't he. I don't think he had any. I mean the other guys. it's like we. We ate them. The other guys remember the guys who left four months guys so they pay. They use those other beaver pelts and they paid their debt to william ashley and he advanced them supplies for the next year so their businesses making money but jeter i get back to my dudes stanislas river and bring them supplies so before he leaves. He writes a note to william. Clark the famous explorer share and the superintendent. Who's now the superintendent of indian affairs for the upper missouri and mississippi river so clark skied for the white man affairs yes right man and he said the pilots and mojave were quote extremely poor and the lowest intermediate link between man and the brute creation and in the mental scale lower than i have yet see extracts. Your white man's air visually officially arrived. So so the first. So the life the people hussein's it's what we call the whiting. How the white works. Thank you so much. I'll never forget you now. You're technically an animal today. And i can do whatever i won't. Hello i mean. They saved his fucking life. They fed him for fifteen days. They gave them shelter and the price did their own thing to save them. And he's just like man fucking shit all stupid dumb. What smart as do walks through the desert known you needed two weeks worth the melon to brought it out abroad. It so he had to back out he he takes man he takes to and they and they brought to their native american wives. Two guys in that group bring their wives okay slaves. I don't know what that is like. I don't know how the marrying worked back. Then right probably yeah not great. Well yeah i mean. We don't know but again. It's i guess it's it's just when there's a track record you could speculate so he retraces the same path. He goes to the same villages. He's still heading to the colorado river again. I get lost. I look for my car. Sometimes i cannot imagine the idea of. Imagine being like yeah. This is right to the confidence. I think i think i went through a purple e four. I think it was good which wasn't alligator then. Some guy another car saves you from verdes. Oh well yeah yeah. right. God for your subaru. You need more. Is t d motif as t- so here's some more checks mix if you need it so nourished he. He gets to the mojave where most of us die right. So this is where yeah so he gets them a hobby and they build rafts to cross to get the supplies across the colorado river. Okay and so he he. I guess they have to wraps or maybe he's taken over and they're going to bring it back and bring the rest of the supplies sure. I'm not sure which way this works. But he gets to the other side of the river jedidiah right. And as he as he just reaches it a bear hollow mohave warriors. No come from behind and kill the guys who are waiting to cross so all of a sudden it's just like a slaughter is getting a little precarious. They killed ten men. he's got eighteen. They killed ten and they take the to native american women and he's just all i can do with his guys just watch it happen across the river and then he runs. They run for us. Yeah okay new plan go and so they they hide okay name make spirit because they make spears from branches and they tied knives to the end of the polls because they don't have guns shame must've been with the other guys. I don't know so you guys hold on to everything. And i'm gonna shoot over there. Make contact then. I'll come back then. We'll start kind of bail in the bucket over that direction. So once i get over there you guys have it all then i'll start coming back. Yeah great good right. All right see anything that could go wrong. And is so they fight with the hobbies Jedidiah managed to kill ten two of them and then they retreat. Okay only one. Jeopardize manner are wounded. Okay so they eventually weight and then they slip away into the desert but they have no supplies now and they're on foot right so they have. I guess they do. They have five rifles some bullets and some dried meat yum. Now there is one wounded guy. He needs help walking. Okay they don't have guides so they have to rely on his memory to get through the desert. Sure so odds of them living. That's not great. Sure but they come across another band of native americans who trade them horses. Okay so they must have traded. I assumed yeah summers at its peak. Right it's fucking more we could do for you. Okay just a gun. It's august in the mojave desert. It's helped today's and keeps losing the trail as we know what happened before but somehow he gets them to san gabriel late august cheese us and they're they recover bit and then janai agenda has north to see the fucking guys at the stanislas. He rives two days before the four-month deadline. Wow because i was told you forward months who's have been earlier bags. Yeah niagara to show. The men are super excited to see them until they find out that has party been killed and all the speiser gone whole reason. He came. So let's depri- sorry. Sorry i should start with this. Things are as dire is when i left. No but you brought you came off his stuff. I had a ton of. Let's get it well. What i did was i left with. A bunch of my men are men remained. You guys look good by the way we have been working out. looks good. it looks good and we've started place. Looks good too. Yeah we lose a lot of weight. I could see so so. I left it all on one. What was he saying. Left on one side of the river. Can we get that. Yes and Across the river. Dan was about to go back on. The bagel left the supplies back on the other side of the river. The well trying to which side you're talking about the side you'd left the supplies were on that side. You didn't bring them with you. I went on the other side of the river without them about to go back and grab mall. Yeah well you should've brought them. I i was about to uh-huh and then i'm trying to what happened next. Oh they murdered. Most of the guys took all this stuff they yeah. I don't remember their names but they were you know. They were natives native of natives. They were you know what i mean. They talking about the mojave. Yes that's it. They were the guys. Give us the melons and let us hang out with them for fifteen day. Well i'll tell you what they have a bug up their ass. Now i'll tell you that is one thing i just. You can't trust them. I mean that's how i feel. I mean we're the straight shooters locally. We're the white man so it's not like because when we came through our friend they don't rent then they don't like white or on the contrary mellon them. It's almost as if white people did something in between you came in when they killed. I want to get this right. Other white guys probably can't rationally. Somebody did something bad china. Think because i should know is ringing trying to think now. I'm pretty sure they were just being jerk. Offs more i think about it. They just have lost their cool not cool again mellon on them so this is a totally different generation different. They've lost the plot more worried about the fact that we have no supplies. Now 'cause you went away for four months. And i fucked almost four months. But here's the good news. I pretty much no the way now. So that's good it's gonna be hell on earth so but okay so yeah so Not good at you guys. Have any food famished. I really could eat bob. I would love to get a piece. If there's any i'll eat a dick i don't even get a shit anymore though. I don't want to hear that all right well. Good to get them back together. So here's the good news the trappers now because they've been there performance yet. Load of beaver pelt. Okay so they. Head to mission san jose to trade the beaver pelts for supplies. Sure now. here's the problem san jose. That's where the governor is and he's doesn't lie and there's been an agreement he's been told to leave so he's immediately arrested us he goes there. Oh god okay and taken to monterey and put in jail. He tried to explain. He's like this happen. I'm dying you understand that i've dying. Somebody understand that. I'm dying as like this was all to leave forever. The whole plan was to leave tight too but they didn't speaks. They didn't speak english and he doesn't speak spanish right so they have no idea what he's talking about now. Fortunately while again while he was in jail. I became friends with different american chip captain again. This happens again. Sure course and that guy in for that kind for. The americans posed a thirty thousand dollar bond for his release. I told you to get rangers to pay thirty thousand dollars. I can't understand what's happening here. Now he can leave onto conditions. Okay i he has to sell the furs. Okay to the ship's captain at a very low price. Okay so this is going to get his money back and more. I assume second to leave california going the way he came now. This time. We want you to really go the way you came. We don't think you did that before. I get out of here. They were very clear you to walk backwards from a couple of episodes ago. They're very clear. That's your last fucking chance. No chance didata leave. Don't come back so he's like okay. I agree and free him. He doesn't leave california. I love it. He goes to san francisco whereas men are and rejoins them and then they head back down to the stanislas river now they have horses applies and janury eighteen twenty eight. They head into the mountains of northern california. There's lots of game. They trap more furs at one point. Several bears several bears attack the party at once and jedidiah dive into stream to get away from bear again. I've done this before as good. I don't like bears god. So when the across the sacramento river by the way. I mean the idea that you like. Oh safety and the river. They're like we're also doubt eat from read out of the river rivers great. So if you don't know god that's not good dear so across the sacramento river. Jedidiah names that the edwina ventura which obviously doesn't stick right and he's always naming stuff right. Okay buddy in june They enter oregon. So they're going north. You mean is bill yes now. They traded with the. What's people jet. I was very friendly with most most state of americans but he but then it told dick in his journal. Descriptions tells other people about writes about them. But that's like most people's diary he said they were just such a good friend of mine. Got such a jerk. He said they were impoverished. Because they were lazy and had quote a deficiency of genius inferior to the beaver. They just want everything. Give it to them. What what it is is that they're not trying to profit everything so he thinks they're fucking downright he's the dump their living pitcher could sell this rock. You fools. he read the derisively. By the way. The take the path of the white men. It ends so good so good soon. He wrote derisively that many live without anything in the shape of a house and rise from earth in the morning like the animals around them and a rove about in search of food. He said they were degraded. Ignorant literally what everyone does every day. We'll also one wake up. And you're like i need food if you've been living forever. Then why would you. You're like this is fine. Have a how you need to have bedrooms. Ow a. Yeah so yeah. So he he's disgusted. They lived very simply when god had given them. You can make houses and sell the aloes. Make money own thing. Put a fence around the leg in the leg. Make july fourteenth jedidiah in two men went out scouting while they're gone. The kelly came to the camp and there was an argument over an axe being stolen share. It ended with the killing every trapper except for one guy named arthur black. A black runs into the woods after he'd been stabbed several times and he just keeps moving four days completely naked and bleeding and tell a friend that group of american indians found him and brought him to a hudson outpost in vancouver god. Four days or deleting running naked come on who were so agenda. I come back to the camp and thanks ready. The shot at them and they managed to escape but they left all the furs and supplies behind. Okay so again. A friendly group of locals helped guiding them north so they arrive at florida los angeles. No no no they right before vancouver. Two days after naked and bleeding arthur blank arrived. Hey what's up. I calmly walked away from the scene fully clothed. The has not stabbed. Oh i've been here for a few days. Let me guess you panicked. So the head of hudson's bay operations offers to help jedidiah. He went back with three of his men. Twenty hudson bay man and fourteen into americans to get their stuff back from the kawasaki okay. so then. They entered negotiations and it took him relinquish. Drives you over to like get something back. It's kind of like hey kid. Timmy took the ball from you. We're going to go back over there and you're gonna you're gonna tell me what's up you're going to get the ball back. Talk to his parents. He said that's my ball. And you get the ball back. That's respect yeah you talking to get respect respect. I'm a sit in the car. You go ahead and go up to the front door and take care. Yeah okay gotta car driven there yet. Walkway follow me. Yay get a car and walk. I'm gonna drive powerchip man trying to teach you how to be a man. Okay shirt off. Trust me tigger shoot. Okay can put some oil put some oil on your face. Well i don't have it. Was that crisco. Whatever you say your size and then why wait what. The fuck is going on yet. So they negotiate with the cowesett for weeks we. They're threatening violence and yeah weeks. And it's like the infrastructure package. Eventually the cowesett return hundreds of be repelled otter skins some horses rifles traps leader buys. He buys the furs and jedidiah in return tells them everything that he's learned about california and the west. Okay they love me. They're bring me up if you owe them search me so he ends up making about twenty four hundred from that situation and head out and arrived back in time back in time. What year is there's an eye god. We've done it again. I told you this river has some special qualities to it. This is back odell started. Look at my hair. it's normal. Overtake the barrier minute hill. So they bribe back in time for the nineteen eighteen rodney. What's up guys. get the baby. And so now. His partners partners about trafficking. He remember he made twenty four hundred. Yeah so they've got a nice chump change. Yeah but at the same time. His two trips of now cost the lives of thirty. Three men yeah. It wasn't easy. Break eggs to make anomaly in eighteen. Thirty and his partners sell their business as they foresee that. There's going to be trading problem because all the beavers being killed and there's a lot more trappers and there's less demand so he walks away. Jedidiah walks away with eighteen thousand. Okay john lot of fucking. It's like a million five hundred thousand today. So he's rich jedidiah then goes back to saint. Louis he buys a farm buys a couple of slaves good saves learns how to be a racist perfect gums. Pretty yeah no. He's actually got that down but it's not the life for him a year later. He's feeling restless. I wanna die again. I want to get out there and die. Each other guy was so great. Have you ever watched thirty. Three men die over four years. I killed so many men for my hot so at this time. Some friends are like man. We're going on a trip to santa fe. Gotta come let me lead. Yes where santa fe okay. Now that's in. I believe spanish territory. So william ashley is old employer gets him a passport okay. This time he's league and they leave in the spring of eighteen thirty one. Twenty five wagons eighty-five men. Two of them are jeopardize brothers and they start running out of water. Somewhere between arkansas. And the cimarron river's okay. Great perfect just great to be back out there. Nearly diag- now laden may jedidiah and the very famous scout broken hand fitzgerald. Go ahead of the rest of the group to scout for water but then fitzgerald's horse gets hurt and he has to return to the wagon. Train in jetted is like. I'm just gonna go on the head alone and a and he's never seen again. Okay so now. The wagon train makes it to santa fe and there they run into some mexican traders one. Who has jeopardized rifles and pistols. And he says we. We bought them from the command cheese. Okay so so what had happened. Was around twenty comanche. Warriors were waiting for buffalo at a waterhole and then jedidiah stroll then. So they killed. That's just killing. As he fell he shot and killed one of the comanche. He was thirty two years old. Oh my god. He was thirty thirty fucking two years. That is so crazy. You picturing like a fifty year old. Yeah he's saw maybe more wilderness than lewis and clark did but he's not as recognized. His journals were lost in a fire after his death in north western california. There's a redwood forest named after him he jeter died so This story was recommended by Dan and julie to mondo and it was researched by Sarah june And the sources check tragic by page tragic encounters. The people's history of native americans John mooring men was san great explorers of the north american west Jack elder explaining historic california david weber the california's versus jedidiah smith and Barton arbor shaddai. I smith no ordinary mountain man. He was no ordinary mountain. Man he was not he really was definitely not ordinary. It'd be i bet under that. Scalp like terminator steel. Just because just going just wanna just. It's so funny that he finally made his money as it turns out it was not my motivation. Yeah yeah. I just liked being evil. That's what i don't know if you've ever let a group of guys where most of them die but it's pretty great but it's also it's so easy the way that like our societies mentality is acquiesced into that sort of thinking like it's the thinking we're founded upon so of course you see in today's society the same thinking i mean the thinking is just get your fucking money and fuck everything and that's really what we're founded upon. It's just there was a lot more resources and it was just very acceptable to murder people for possessions or for land or Or things like that and you know you see where it gets. You gets the say just like it's like you know. Jeff bezos would be this guy in this time. You know like worse. Worse probably yeah. Yeah there's like these people can go out like they could hunt all the beavers because it doesn't destroy everything but right once there's a bunch of people hunting all the beavers and all the things will then everything stops working in grinding to a halt because the more people are seeking profit were trouble that becomes for resource totally but but at least then they were going for like a thing that you know what i mean like we now will like burn down things to plant things that will make us more money versus the things that will actually say like we just we sacrifice environment so carelessly at this point that it's just like you know it's Feels pretty unsustainable a really. Yeah a little bit noticed that. Yeah yeah that's what a weird and strange but but it is. i mean. it's like you know we we are. We are founded upon that mentality of the white white people. Came here with this mentality of. We don't a fuck about anything other than each other and making money and money more than that and then and again if it's resulted in pretty good. I'm excited for where myrtle number one isn't it. For by far by far we're the best everything named one thing we didn't do the best exactly and i mean we treat only thing. We're not the best that is acknowledging our best but not very humble humble country americans are very on country. They always say in europe. No can't find the americans no notice. American find one american or something good to say about america. Good luck to you. They just don't think we think it at home. We don't need to put it on jackets and cars and bumper stickers and try to find one truck in this country that's one hundred percent flag. You can't vote you can't. I'll wearing an american shirt in. America is like wearing the shirt of the band. You're going to see. Come on it'd be like buying a t shirt in the airport and putting it on like charlotte fuck it. Okay great attitude. Hey dave side off the dallas. Bob gareth another good time charlie. Back go karts in saint. Louis said go cards i everybody. This is gareth. Reynolds from the podcast is the show. You're listening to one to give you my stand dates coming up july twenty second through the twenty fifth. I'll be at comedy on state and madison wisconsin. August fifth. i'll be in phoenix arizona at cb live. Then i'll be at the rally improv. August sixth through the eighth and i'll be at hyenas in dallas texas august nineteenth. Join me there or join me. The next night august twentieth state theater in austin texas. If that doesn't work for you. Join me. August twenty first at the rec room in houston texas. 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Welcome to Friday!

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

05:42 min | 3 months ago

Welcome to Friday!

"Hey steve anthony. I'm here to tell you about exciting new podcasts. Coming at you from the guys who created friday beers and they've partnered with all things comedy. What friday beers is they had. They have one of the most popular instagram pages. Shot up during the panic. Like people just went crazy for crazy for it over a million followers hilarious. Take downs of people and it's about weekend culture so you're going to hear from the show here please enjoy. And each episode has a host. Max and jack barrett who created friday beers and they take a bunch of sketches fritschi all the characters from their university of created the friday beers mindset. And you'll see the best of the fringe guy. The big fella sergeant knocked on all your favorites. You don't if you don't go check them out and get fans of the show you get to be part of it. You can leave a voicemail question for max jack to answer and that could lead to a sketch about whatever you're talking about. You're here clip from the show here. Please enjoy and make sure to subscribe to welcome to friday on apple. Podcast spotify wherever we get your podcasts. Marvin i'm from british columbia canada and My question is what is the most common thought that you guys have when you're out on a night out. Here's most common side. You have during a bender kind of contradictory question because during a bender. You're not thinking insist doing fuels and is doing. Yeah so that said though. I think it merits further study. Certainly does there's an art to it that hasn't been explored right But there are people who are highly accredited respected and Empowered to speak much much more experience. And i think that's if that was something that was offered at my school it'd be the first one is there is like a A bender allergy wanna one. What if what if oral settled out. Settle down. Please take your seats. Welcome back to bender all aji one a one theory and science behind multiple day booze fueled body annihilation now. Please open textbooks and crack openly lukewarm keystone light. On your this. We can convince our discussion basic philosophical concepts pre game or postgame. That's essentially a question of perception. Renaissance drinkers argued. That the post game was merely a game for the mornings hair of the dog while modernist theory maintains that late night. Debauchery is the essential foundation for self punishment. Amorphous frameworks indeed very good miss wales tape and newton's laws of motion. An object at rest stays at rest while an object on cocaine stays in motion unless of course acted upon by penzo or furiously masturbating. Until you fall asleep. Two four to miss wales at least one of you has been following the required suck down curriculum. Excuse me professor. But isn't that a reductive view given the evolving interpretations of the more recent consumption vortex theory. Mr pendergrast it looks like someone's read ahead. Cats went lighten us. Well it's more about recent case law. You don't have to look further than stu reynolds. V his meat to find precedent here. It was ruled that the plaintiff spender was actually extended because he's attempt to masturbate only fueled his insatiable hornets prompting a seventy two hour. Stay at the moonlight bunny ranch. In reno nevada of course a groundbreaking case the first which a man has sued his own penis in federal court and one professor. That case is still pending. His penis is appealing and counter-suing on grounds for habitual abuse. That's a pr stunt and you know it's gonna get smackdown on appeal. These people place could've just smoked a doobie. Excuse me we're in the middle of a lecture lecture sounds more like a hissy fit. Is that so we'll class. It seems the janet of feels inclined to partake in our philosophical discussion. No it's just you're talking here about pre game and post games like it's your first time on pong table after reading the back cover of tucker max novel speculating on what drives a man to spend a long weekend at the bunny ranch when probably never even heard of back page before as a matter of fact i have. The chicks are so horny. Schick ser so horny. It's not even fair. you got that from wedding. Crashers minute ninety seven chazz reinhold where you're gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us. Yeah maybe i am a janitor. But at least i'm actually a degenerate. Make sure to subscribe to welcome for friday on apple. Podcast spotify. Where we get your podcasts. Hi everybody this is. Gareth reynolds from the podcast. This is the show. You're listening to wanted to give you my stand updates coming up july twenty second th through the twenty fifth. I'll be at comedy on state and madison. Wisconsin august fifth. I'll be in phoenix. Arizona at cb. Live then i'll be at the rally improv. August sixth through the eighth and be at hyenas in dallas. Texas august nineteenth. Join me there or join me. The next night august twentieth state theater in austin texas. If that doesn't work for you. Join me. August twenty first at the rec room in houston texas. And then i'll be at the spokane comedy club in spokane washington august twenty six the following night. I'll be at the tacoma comedy club. August twenty seventh go to gareth rowlands dot com to get tickets for all those dates. I love you.

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490 - Periwigs in America

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

1:30:08 hr | 3 months ago

490 - Periwigs in America

"You're on the all things comedy network. This is not a great start. This is a bilingual american history. Podcast each week. I dave anthony read a story in spanish to gareth renner reynolds. Who listens in english at right. I translate the words in my head and this is gareth reynolds who has no idea what the topic will be about. I don't either. We got there. That's going to be a problem what we're breaking form this week. Dave hasn't read either. So neither i don't have a story all right so let's start with the ads and then let's we'll get into it and i i plan on how to get us out of the how well just alternate every other word like What's it called like. a fire. Drill was calling people. Tell a story to each other. Not the okay. What does the too late show. We do a shula. leave the show. We're going to handle call. Oh i remember. It's called hot shoelace. You're listening to hot shoelace. My god not okay. I should have the music. Jesus god now. The phone went away. The phone didn't go away. What an old person thing to say. The phone went away again playing this part. Would you like it louder what we call a hot shoelace. Executive best part the volume s industry done. Well he'll be enjoyed our your ears. It's not it's not been a good episode so far also you have a covert hauled disguise couvert over here. I love the way that the world just slip. People just slipping. It's like a namedrop now. Yeah no that's cool. Yeah it was sniffling. Because i had a cold but Do you understand what. I was saying about traffic I'm i'm not done. I can't handle colds. Look david he deserves to be brand with an eye. We'll do that. We are brought to you in part by freshly right so you know a guy like me i don't like to. I like to have an easy meal situation. I don't like to have a lot of stuff. I gotta put together and just need to say anymore when you send put together. Yeah on nick game daddy considering how you feel about your father. 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I thought civilised begin the worst epidemic in europe since the black death when that black death. Yeah black i mean. Honestly they were like look. The last name was kind of a downer. Yeah so we're just going to go with something a little more rhythmic. The thing about the black deaf is i mean. Maybe you could get fucking but at least syphilis. You're like i was good syphilis with one hundred percent fucking yes. It was his fucking. You don't get. I guess could get maybe from Blowy i think they call it. A medical term blowy medically speaking. You had a blowjob. Maybe you could get a maybe. There's other ways to get it now. I think it has to be an exchange of fluids. But could i go by a fellow fluids and drink. What's happening and say i was to go down to the you know go see the monger you know and go down to his little shop and yeah well. There were a lot of come mongers back then by gum family. Okay you know what. Let's go from the top early. go baby So in london hospitals are just packed with just sephardic patients. always antibiotics. So it just runs rampant through your body really no matter how you try and you sort of mr potato had basically right like well pieces. Start falling off it's ear. Yeah but that's part of it. Yeah no that's part of it. Yes this fall off. So they have open sores. they're terrible rashes. go blind you can get dementia sure and you go bald patchy bald very potato. Hetty it's sexy. Yeah so baldness. It sucks that when you're at your hottest. You can't screw right next thing. So bomb the sweeps across europe because of syphilis okay and a lack of hair isn't just a bummer. It's also an indication that you could have cd so if you're just a ball dude people that wouldn't bang him. She wouldn't be very careful with that one day all wouldn't if he's got no these at sarah larkham on komo of no no go through dry spell. It shouldn't be doing that So long hair became a thing. Long hair was in. It was like you're healthy. Hair bomb this really damages your rep. Okay okay seminal peppis wrote quote. If my brother lives he will not be able to show his head which will be a very great shame to me. Wow so you're bald brother. Yeah feel great. Shame due to him. Yeah so syphilis. Leads to wig making just. It's early very bizarre. Okay but that makes sense so okay so because you wanna shag put a little thing. People want to hide their shiny syphilitic dumb. But if you're not simplistic you're just yeah. It's a lot harder. The wigs could also be to hide source on the face so some syphilis people are going undercover as rags and then some rags are just like why the fuck can i have sex and i. I hate to say this. So we've got what we call soul week. This is a new thing i've gotten. It's called the solway basically is is you put a week upon your soul. Yes you make it. Look more like a bit of mollet or rabinovich. Shag look something like bad. And if anyone asks what the problem is you just say just grow bench different faulty styles. This one's a beehive and then you've got your regular wig too so to be like nine different. Essentially a hedwig with by the way that going to be a show net put a pin in that. And then you've got your soul wigs. You know your weeks for your source to cover the so there's some sorry major there you go saw. This is just growing out of my as i. What's a show. No no said put a pin in that. I just have always been thinking of this. What idea for a short musical. I shan't i. Shan't i should not leave the path of the family business. We make soul wigs. Although when i'm alone at night often think about our great musical could be just hedwig. It's always just come to me. I just see image. This blonde hair is larger than life character but every time. I'm writing one of my songs. My father comes in and burns it anyway. Interested in any of the songs can mean there. Of course we didn't it. I'd just i'm sorry. This teashops next door wind door wigs. Sarah that but would you like a musical. Stanton understand yet so ramsey. Where so this meant. That wigs aren't a style to hide. You know your your chaim right. Sure they're also called perry wigs. I'm not gonna call him perry wigs. But that's what they call them. Peri okay so in. France wore wigs. Were people who were balding fancy. Sex workers like elite you know share and then obviously people with red hair. 'cause we're talking we're talking about ch- really feels like the arrow turned upon. The shooter. didn't it but then that changed in sixteen fifty five when louis. The fourteenth started going bald the sun king. Yes he seventeen uh-huh now and he's probably syphilis. That's why he's probably because he ends up dying as simple as he's just like at the end just a body ravaged by civilised and well and for those you picturing home would be king potato head. That's right with holes in it. Yes well that's the potato head so he is seventeen. He's been key he's he four he's been king for a while and the way that if anyone ever wants to make a case against the monarchy right there boom it makes sense. It makes total said. Who's not gonna listen to a four year. That's your boss. Goddamn essentially what. We always have running america anyway but a little free. It'd be more understandable can is four. So louis hires forty eight wigmakers to make a ton of wigs for. Why not get some doctors there. The doctor can hurt problem right. I mean the whole budget on the wigmakers. Go still dying of syphilis. It's not look so hot. He his ideas. It's been bald could you imagine. Would that be large for me. I've got so much hair. Not knows fuck knows is. He's fine here. You say the fuck. My tongue fell out. How could are house the harold stairs. I like drought is like vision. Brought who so because the the president because the king is wearing wigs. They take off. I start you know the the people in the courts you're bold as people in the court star wearing them and then and then just trickles down that everyone starts in weeks In paris the number wigmakers went from two hundred sixty seven three two eight hundred thirty five and seventy sixty eight. So i mean that's a big share now hair harrison. We don't need to get the word out about the syphilis. Jim let's wake it up and harass harvested from the heads of rural working class. People as it should be. It should be it should be. You should go then live with the shame of this. I'll have his head and a bit of us. Thank you give them just like a penny or good luck with them. Go fuck fuck off. Sorry that much. So king charles. The second also gets into the french wig fashion. he did it to cover his prematurely. Greying hair also probably from syphilis. Okay great wow gray from you. Civilised just is locked. It's like it's like it's cova at school that's awesome. No that's great though. See you got that raden hair. That's right So he even brings the trend to england and their same thing the the nobles the people in court they start wearing them than the merchant class starts wearing them. They cost about a week's worth of wages for just normal dude in london so worth would be a week's wages. That's why the exact right yeah And so most people can't afford that obviously but british nobility would spend over like eight hundred shillings on just crazy wigs and that led to the term bigwigs. That's where the term comes from the hot royal family's shot bigwig that now. Eight hundred shillings. Then about ten thousand today so. These people spent ten grand on wig so wig. Guilds got unionized. Do pga so whitfield's forbid anything but human hair wigs forbid okay. So they're they're bright so they're basically like we will take them off the citizens. Yeah and other people like would you like this one made from dunk. That's right well not. Everyone could afford that so they also would. People would make him from horse or goat-hair for they sweet goat-hair light imagine him a horse. Like if you didn't go to the main yeah yeah right. But i feel like. I've seen wigs or like things made from horsehair. Oh really yeah. I feel like i've seen that over the years goat hair because when he got some bad godesberg that go tears go with long hair. It's not that bad. I guess. I'm picturing these little. I mean i only hang out with shitty goats. Yeah yeah. I mean sure. I'm more like your hobnobbing with elite goats. Yeah most of the go-to hang out have syphilis. Okay how'd they get it okay. So at this time. People didn't believe this pre bathing so cities are filthy people filthy now. People think that if they here. I'm so down on society now like this is so refreshing to hear that everyone's blocking around in hor swigs. Flitwick pieces are dropping off and they don't bay that's right would be of no better time to be bathing than right now. It seems so people thought that could get sick from bad smells. We've talked about that before. And the wig would trap all kinds of voters. Yes you walk around the city and it just going into your wake. Exactly you go to a club. And they're smoking. And you have a jacket. Jagged smells except it's different. It's the smell of the deaths. So people start sending their wigs. This is fucking not god. Violet rose jasmine orange. Lavender just pumping it in their. Nobody thought to wash it like we should wash. Yeah i was. That's the first thing i was like. Yeah you can't because it's hair could easily wash. Yeah take care of. You thought. Now so people are just lavon during these be. Oh by the way that smell. That b. o. Centered smell you. Through some rosewater on a fucking ally. Guess what still smells horrible stores. People did rub their hair with a napkin to quote dry. It from its sweating and filth. And they're just they're just in private just sort of dabbing around with the napkin while they're just sitting there with their weird patches and sores sores. Nice so perry weeks took on their own sort of social thing. Specific styles were appropriate for some professions but not others right so it kind of becomes the thing hairstyle association with your and the same went for people's place in society right. So what is it like fancy long ones were for the tip top guys and then what are the shorter a shorter normal looking one. And it'd be more you know your lower your merchant or whatever. Sure you're okay. So there's a wig ashkelon go-to guy clean out trash gordon mole. Rubbish do clubbing. no out. No it's not smell minton ship small week but you know she call wash hair you know. Why are you talking to me to be friends. You've got lovely. And i really would love to be hanging out with people in a wig circle of this nature. No absolutely not enough to be your friend. maybe wrong. You dab lead solder ma week for a minute well for me. A brain brian. Anybody has does cult member. Which is what we're supposed to put. Pro place is that hello. Yes so what we're doing of course syphilis real. I know i'm dying law but you've got to kenya. Hey noches He's got syphilis. You know looking at it. Would you know very much. Sell off another dabid. Side sweats bloody match. Who'll crushed in my. Hey right got to go law arbiter. Remember your home go back. No syphilis knows where. I leave you name. So you know the fancy ones that. They became like the the rich people. The fashionable ones become bigger. And more decorative right kind of like what happened to hats wigs curls and bows and they're harder to keep up seeing the week a wig for your league also a very nice place for insects. Oh god so. It is like buggy. People who wore wigs had a lot of ice. Oh my god so your life. If you have syphilis go ahead your life is just a walking nightmare. It's not great. Your skin already hurts. Your hair's falling out you've sores. And then there's blogs involved. But i also feel like what a great situation pro a bug. Cool living tissue right in here. I also feel like everybody. I probably had lice. Like i know that. I mean it just i would think that everybody would have lice and everything. How would you get rid of it if you're not bathing shave your head but then the status and there were combs but whatever lice combs historian and they still have those they work. Yeah well they will not only in conjunction with other trina. You can't get rid of lights have become immune to the stuff used to put on. Kill them so now you have to. There's that's called hair. Fairies there's a franchise where you go if you have kids get lice and they comb. I've had i know a couple of people having to and they had to take them out by hand i would just go to a capuchin. Why not suicide keep dokie. That got dark That they have two kids in twice they got lice and they had to go to that place to my. That house gets everyone in the house gets. That's cool about it. Yeah everyone gets a rip anyway. That's modern day. Let's get back to the gross tonnes historian. Enter duncan quote. The existence of was rife within a wears wig coating the hair in such disgusting numbers. It was recommended. People used to get the lights out. But the hairstyles of wigs were so fancy made coming them. Impossible on the other hand there. Actual hair was so full of grease and dirt that it was much easier to style a wig real big trade. Owing i wasn't a good time pre soap pre regular baths everything is an toothpastes. Everything is horrendous. It's all how would you. I could not imagine getting syphilis because there's no chance i'd wanna bang. Can you feel it though because it would be normal. You'd be like it's just what we do. Oh my god the smell. Can you imagine the i can. Oh my god dave. Dave fashion was a big deal and king charles court boots and fancy leather circle ribbons on the toes all kinds of giant hats collars cuffs slash sleeves and of course the weeks and puritans hated this. Hey you know. They've been pretty consistent. Puritans came to america. They brought that hatred to america. Right cool but the massachusetts colony as it became more established and more non puritan people start arriving like that that became became there like so the puritans i get there and we we had all the fancy dress when hated all and then other people's are rolling nasa bad right so get and the puritans game you know they got upset by this these new people and they were. They were things like wigs. Took the i mean. Fans are always still. Johnny considered wigs to be an attack upon his religion and ms slap. At god's faith gets as they grew in popularity hair if he wanted it he said quote. The last has become inseparable. Supper just can't get rid of it. I just right right okay. They said insufferable inseperable not insufferable inseparable. Which means you're not gonna be able to beat it it's just okay. Audibles like yeah. It's also insufferable not. Fuck you okay. So he's mad about the screwing. Yeah right so wigs. Wigs are also like a symbol of growing consumer society blue. Yeah i mean it's kind of like bluejeans right. Yeah it's as people move to the colony it becomes it also becomes harder to know where neighbors and acquaintances and business partners are from. Because they're supposed to be a social hierarchy and now people just dressing the way they want right so lines are blurred for us to be able to basically know. Someone's deal based on appearance before before you knew. Someone's deal because you had personal knowledge or your family. I personal knowledge of that person but now people are moving around the globe and a lot of people are moving into places and so you're meeting new people right and it's like the world was going to college and so but then then people are coming in and there is a way the recognize everybody what their status was closed and possessions right. But if justice way you could you blog at a certain group in the appropriate social circle and all that and then you also met the poor and other unworthy people. You right look like that. But now with wigs and fancy clothes you come to america and in and be like no rich. I'm rich guy with a wig right so a lot of people still do. Yeah i mean and so this became a big concern for the puritans or like what the fuck this shit deal. So the puritans new england wanted to put an end to all that nonsense and in sixteen thirty four. The plymouth general court banned many of the fancy fashions. Okay were not in america. Yeah okay so they've come to this land for all their freedom right. They'll be a uniform that's right and so they don't ban wigs but they hate them like they're all against them and then in sixteen forty nine the general quarter massachusetts pass in order condemning the wearing of long hair by men because it was contrary to god's word that's true. Yeah no god. Jesus how short that crop that. He was like he had like a buzz. Buzz cut like he was like jesus. Yeah when i see. Jesus is in the marines. Like what's this case. Jesus picture oliver north the job. Yep total north ripped shit. yeah red. hat's bullet like nice bill. It's a billionaire yeah. He's got a lear uzi knife in his mouth. Yeah that's my jeez. yeah yeah so how. Easy an argument to win though us. That's i think that's the worst argument to religion. But what about jesus. It kills everything the guys based around now. He's giving and remember that. Yeah so right so long hairs out. It's contra god's words the court entreated all elders of the jurisdiction to manifest zeal against it. So they're like okay circle and really shoot mind lightning at their. That's right yeah. Does bein lightning by lying. At i lasers either. Why lasers do it now. So they're saying get out there and give everybody shit. He's wearing wigs. Come come down hard on these students. So it's peer pressure to get out the wig right And six hundred fifty. Four thomas hall wrote a treatise titled the low sadness of long hair. I mean you worry about what happens when people don't have anything to fixate on but this is not one of those situations he said. It was against the civility of america and it followed the spanish and french quote. Who are yet known. Pappas and idolaters. So i i mean again it all kind of forms from this biblical lake. You know you've got to be true to its religious and there are a couple of places in the bible. It says mentioned a short hair. It's actually in there in a couple places but who knows the way the bible usually works is another place where it's like digital have long hair like it's all things. Here's your human uniform china. Harvard became a concern because many of the students were going to go on to be ministers and they'd be setting moral standards next generation right so in sixteen fifty five. Harvard forbade students to quote wear long hair locks. Or four tops. I have no idea what that is as the band. Right before tops nor us curling crispy partying or powering. Their hair. So very so really. I mean this hairstyle is whatever jesus picked. They wanna look dan's van every day bedhead. Yeah whatever you look like you looking for the day russia. Your teeth isn't that there's no didn't godoi at yellowy. Filmed the form and that sticky tongue to exist. The only thing you could do or no liquor palm salivas. The lord's paul made always said god's witness god will decide what j. look like if he wants you to have stubble. You'll have stubble of beard. Beard land him form. You you we are all god's barbie dolls very short trip to bear crockett and tubbs if you will when it comes to cubes he loves. I'm big bush. Oh god loves a big bush row boys and girls And i like to put my face in there and you were taken a turn biblically. Sorry i said It's still weird either way okay. Let's hold hands. I think we need a better segue. Let's touch each other's that were i actually special now. Feel alone are ad So the people of roxbury iraq's rate near Is that in boston. Yeah actually it's a massachusetts yoga. The people roxbury petitioned the court. Because the harvard college students were gallivanting around in their long hair. So in nineteen seventy two. It doesn't matter like the pass this thing at harvard. But still the kids are like a fucking like my like my wigs right Yeah who doesn't and they said all the students quote lust for long hair. I it and break out at the college. I don't know heading break means. But i took heading breakout at the college. I head and break at the college right okay. You got a problem with that. I'm big. I'd love to know what it means. I think you give someone head and then you know love serves up. And then they said from their they're long haired bullshit was spreading to pulpits and causing grief and and offense in the area what what is year when religion learns to not put things in the spotlight. Because it makes people want to do it. That's not gonna okay. Puritans like samuel sewell. A judge and printer in the massachusetts colony believed the wearing of wigs to be a gauge of moral character. Sure he attended harvard. He graduated in sixteen seventy four and the whigs. He saw it as a reputation of the corrupt world. That puritan eight right. it's everything it's corruption its share everything. It's everything back and win. Seems fine a normal. Would this person. Yes he's totally normal when wigs. I came to new england. They're not the flamboyant version. That's an elitist england at this point. They're more modest. They're smaller But still many puritans are upset by but years later right now. They've been in america for a while and they're becoming more fancy. Is there any association. Syphilis anymore is this now just purely it. There has to be but became a fat now wearing it right but sure i think it helps dudes right and and assume ladies like you you you can throw on but now everyone's doing it. Yeah but i would think those things have like a weird symbiotic relationship right like so. Many people are getting syphilis. Still at this point yeah. of course. Everyone's civil not hasn't gone anywhere. I was hoping it would gonorrhea bell. We ring hang requesting a bell. Aaron come on so puritan said wigs were quote many times used for disguise by the worst of men as shaven crowned popish priests highway robbers etc. Popish no catholic priests right. Don't aid is they're they're not they're protestants. Yes but still. I mean berry this hatchet. There's nice arguments visible human. It's not it's not going. Come on yeah okay. So so there. It's a slippery slope the whigs soon. You're putting on one or two just to have a little fun next thing you know. You're catholic right. That's how it works. And that's not good. Now this this quote i just read shaven crown. Publish freeze That was of course from the famous puritan nickel nicholas noise essay titled an essay against perry wakes nicholas noise here. I love that. Yeah he wrote. He wrote a really great essay against weeks. Sure okay cool. Well i have some guy sitting down and be pissed off patent weeks looking legs disgusting. No do you think. The bed rat wore wigs. He also said quote. The hair of women is suitable to their soft moist cold constitution but not the masculine hot and dry constitution of met. So he's like the ben shapiro of the sixteen that's right so to him women are wetter and softer and so so hair works on them. Better women are obviously soaking wet fish and mad dry husks. Making noise This wig wearing would create this. He said the wig wearing the the man wearing the wig which shouldn't be on him. Of course it doesn't is. Obviously he said dry dave. What's he gonna do with a wing. He said it would create an unnatural inconsistency between the face and the hair and that it was like the monstrous locus in revelation. Nine seven. Wow i mean again i mean like you know. I'm not saying the other arguments. I've heard or cogent and good you know what i mean but this one is particularly like not anywhere close to good. This is like i mean this would be a disappointment. This would be a flop. This flop. yeah this is great and also if someone says it's one just calm the fuck down like what about i can't top the fuck out. Think about it. It lets to be a dry man wearing a wig. His face embryos are going to bleed up into that at that will cause him to have a moistening. Therefore better bar is happening next thing. You know your friend is no longer a bad but he is a wet woman. Okay so i'm we just. We talked about. We think you should take a not taking a break. I think you do it some of my best work. I you've never seen nikki noise. This hot ticket ticket. Yeah no we saw you this hard before. It was when it was the shoe shoe. I'm sorry i just can't believe men would wear laces. what are they foolish idiots. It'll turn them into troll. Okay is on the ones in kick. Is we went through the shoe age. Yeah was your age has not done yet. It feels seen some lace boys out here today. I'm not happy about the has. Fortunately there's bigger fish to fry. These ones are made from goat hair. It feels like you're getting just as hot as nikki. Noise just had a ticket by. Yeah i am that's right. I'm hot pissed okay. You are supporting a movement. That is terrible. I'm not they listen to me. Dumb shit they can have hair locusts. And my the only one here reading revelations. Nikki noah becker had. No we're all we're all breathing and we ataman. Yep we love for you to fathom it. I don't see the connection between wigs and locus and readily going to put on the walk. You through take my hand through the valleys stupid. They are going to put on the week and They're no longer go to be drug is they're going to be worries. And then that's going to create a condition with the locus module argon. Revelations come out and start eating on them if you want your friend. You're going to need him to be like cool. Okay dickey one. Nikki knows just go ahead and send them in sent. Yep just good and take him away now Okay take me away nothing. Just just hang out here for a sec. I would love to hang out and men to shout at so there's one now some gentlemen gonna come in and help you great. Oh hey what's up. Values me nicky. What chicken now will help to get. The writings of people like noise out there because he was a printer. He soon became the official printer of the colony. So he held sway but he was also like the my. He's also really against our my pillow. Guy he's on harvard board of overseers rain. what by the way. Harvard bravo again in the name department. He's on the college council of assistance. Which is like the judges and legislators together share and he's also a judge in his own and he's very influential right. He's he's a big. He's a big week a aaron. Where's the bell. We requested months ago. The so to the anti wig puritans the anti wig there are times will be in the middle of these. And i'm like what just got said. It's been normalized because he led me here. I mean the anti puritan. It's so either way to think about how much they eventually wear wigs. So i mean they're not winning this battle. They're fighting so to them. It's mostly about age engender which they thought had to remain very defined couldn't be disrupted or the entire physical social moral or a ordered destroyed their like the wigs. Bro baptist church. That's so we are serious business to them. Like it's a real fucking concern. Sure dave dave. I did not mean it's a problem i didn't mean to downplay. I think it's all you did. You did downplay. It had some fun. But obviously i think it's a serious thing. Well it's no fucking different. Didn't communists i agree getting into buck in vietnam dominant start gardening. It's the same thing but it's wigs agree. Let's just go back in. The character of gareth is going to have fun. But i agree. This is serious shit. Okay thank you. Thank you so. Richard god beer. What's who is the best named person ever. I'm god hello should make. What potato chips fruit. I'm god beer. A major make hail upon me. He never stopped walking around doing that. Oh god be getting. Some water should be god. Bear god beers quote wig. wears upset. indispensable hierarchies and threatened to confound the distinctions between men and women without which virtuous and orderly society could not survive. So that's really what they believed right weiguang seen as a unique threat also god made man with hair and putting on a wig was to say the odds weren't bad right right yes yes we cannot note him no you know you do not know god. He's the publisher and the on. That's correct but not all. Puritans are onboard especially the first generation appeared into came from england. Were super against week. Some fancy dressing but then the second generation their kids right actually start to embrace these degenerate ways close. Cotton mother was a puritan minister. Names are really getting spicy. Cotton mather beer and cotton matter where puritans he's a minister he's born in the colony in sixteen sixty three so he second generation. His father was a well known minister named increase. Mather's will increase mather. Sorry doing do we want to take a break. His name was increase. Mather increase mather. That's right more mother. More mother is gimme more now. Name increase mather. that's right increase. It give me more. Take it up a notch increase. Mather one more mother. Another matt would bring you. Don't want anymore. it's shaking. Tell you to eleven. it's shaking increase. Mather all my god. He is increased matters really against wigs which he called horrid bushes of vanity now he was probably increase mather at wordsmith decreased increase. Blamed the recent burning up. Like someone like hurting. That's actually a pretty good first name. We need to the agriculture. Go for a walk. I think i know what. I'm going to name baby matter. Do you think they ended in that because he was going to grow and get bigger increase aggregate go wrong possible. And this is growing sharp so increase. Blame the recent burning of boston on wig wearing and he's like we're wearing wigs. That's why the fucking city burnt down her. Yeah absolutely because lord. The lord kindles yes. Fires big wigs are kindle fire absolately. So cotton was good friends with soule even though right there on the opposite side of the whig right Battle there. He was born ten years after him. Cecil was first generation. Okay contact saying the hand. The same circles that many of the same friends they eat together all the time and they talk politics but the only place they never agreed wicks wicks. It's broken a lot of great french. Cotton were a long brown. Curled perry wig that emphasized his big notes That's so they also show that shit off feature. Yeah i think that's right. I want to showcase the beak over big nose. And i have this big head. Instead of a wig sue a war a skullcap to hide his ball dumb and keep it warm. So so i mean but god didn't like i know god didn't give you but their thinking like well. It's it's hair so your your your your fate your fabricating reality whereas this is just sort of a bald hat okay. Cotton went as far as to defend wigs during a sermon. No my lord. When sewell. Her i would say i would even say he would read. He thought caught him as an amazing minister. So he would read his sermons right and he liked them so much as sometimes he would bind them in leather. Get friends out there. You should read. He believed probably strongly in the separation of church and wig. Not gonna like it. If you're throwing a little bit of your wigs stuff so until read it. he said. I expected a not here. Any vindication pair wigs in boston. Pulpit by mr mathur decrease degrees but cons definitely. Not alone. this there's a lot of. There's a lot of pro way guys and this means anti whig. Puritans would run into a lot of resistance in the puritan community when they tried to rally people against the dangers of weeks. I mean how hard i like. If you're a puritan. You agree on so much. shit. I mean this is basically like republicans and democrats. You know what i mean. It's just like look fucking move on talk about something different figure out something else. You all agree on tons of crazy shit like just you know this sticking point. It's awash so as far as the age argument. They said wigs destroyed. The order of things covering gray hair or baldness could create chaos totally ina society when they valued respecting the old and wise sure. What a great indictment on your feelings on other generations of people you see. We well accidentally respect people. Expect any respect you know respect. Yeah no so. It's the land of rodney dangerfield. There's nobody who's got a wig on the works. Good there was nobody respect. Everybody's so youthful look so all they must do revered and they're supposed to instruct the young and counsel them but with wigs on they became quote ridiculous and contemptible who to respect anymore. I mean imagine if you dapper away what the fuck this guy sir. You don't know what to do. You didn't even know who was old anymore. I mean imagine. It was just so crazy differently hills. Yeah you'd still frank under the whig it's not like there's a fucking five hundred thousand guys cruise around boss. Everybody knows yeah. Of course men wearing wigs was also unmanly gender pilot right womanish effeminate rain. Puritans worried that if a man became effeminate in one respect that could spread to others others right and then let's kick that can further next. And you know i wonder if that's a twenty twenty Twenty twenty one. We're still having the same argument about it truly. This is this trans people. It's the same but they literally had the same fucking argument about wigs. And they've lost so much now. They're now they're just down the net doing it. Yeah they keep the can't fucking stop doing it. All this thing happens and it started with now. We're down the fucking live. So rev reverend wigglesworth better be pro. Fucking wing reverend wigglesworth anti wing. Then he should not believe in god. The lord started my last name with wig. He has cursed me a lot of pro. He said long hair was a token of women subjection while short hair was given to men as a natural sign of his rule. And i wanna be. I know i want to go from now on his reverend zora. I want to be noticed. Reverend's worth of cutting the wig out or no liz worth we governed by reverend liz worth. We were thinking about calling you. Wigs worth fuck off. I mean no. Please don't whoops you really. That was last fame where period. I'm reverend as la- worth you're an ass clown well reverend as it is. I hate wigs. noise said that if it was if it was quote a shame of a man to wear long hair of his own it was much more shameful to wear long hair of another's body and especially women and i maybe mentioned this but as far as growing your own hair out also not okay. That's also not okay. Not as bad as the whig shit. They want to have a nice a nice tight cut. Sure right yes. Of course yeah Also women provided hair for men's wigs. Were guilty of becoming more like men rights. Of course cut your hair the next. Yes look sorry ladies. The goal here is to grow at forever. I don't know what your deal is trimming dude ranch lord and women who had their heads shaved completely. Were no better than sheep. Goats popular shit ever thought of that like going after like things that are you know what i mean being like swearing like you know what i mean like embracing something instead of just being like the lifeguards and women who have their head shaved completely. Were no better than sheep. Or goats noise quote a woman degrades herself unto the rank and quality of a beast when she submits to be sean as the bee's sar. You know what's amazing is the person who thinks immediately to start comparing a woman to an animal. It's probably not the person you want. Just speaking on behalf of women also just put this out there. It's a fucking haircut. Well it's a little simple. Another puritan went further and said a goat's hair was taken involuntarily so the goal was not as bad as the woman who perpetual every meat. Have you ever eaten meat prick. Have you ever eaten meat. You have you now. You're actually taking from the lord if you think about. It's like yeah i'm sorry. What our crops. Dickel just eat your fingernails forever. Is that the goal. That's your meal your life is drinking your own pissing spit and living off your fingernails and eyebrows. Yeah there's some nutrients that woman was quote more go dish or at least foolish than the goat like i would literally sit there with a dumbfounded. Look for two seconds and just walk away. Just got so much dumber from this guy. That's the lady as a goat. So in sixteen. Seventy five when war with native americans broke out. Puritans wandered what had brought god's wrath upon them and god's wrath here being the war the war that they're waging well they're a two way war obviously. It's the white man's renaming tour. It's not a great. Yeah it's not a when you go to war you not like. What if one of who did this to us. We're going to war to discover things that have been found so they decided that one of the causes was clearly quote men wearing long hair and perry hope. You'll happy well going. You've done long mess. You've got us into some pointed out that the long hairstyles looked a lot like native american hairstyles. I mean but what is the can do. Uc both well then would and could actually. Then wouldn't that be natural the native americans that wouldn't that be the natural hairstyle. But what are they. I mean like what. God what like god deserves to people'd cutting but also wings your hair and your bush but also like i mean obviously like at this time the version of god is like still probably pretty close twenty now people's heads where it's just like this white man god but at some point you have to also approach the fact that if god put hair on your head and then there's also people here and it just doesn't work it doesn't it doesn't all jive there's really keep inventing the rules when you're a kid and you'd play like shooting the shooting game and someone would be. I have a bulletproof face. You'd be like well now. there's no. I don't even know what the rules are anymore. There's no rules but also like what you can wear clothes. But not. I mean yeah right. Exactly so you can wear it you can't take goat's hair but you can eat a go understand. This is where we live. It's so a some point. The long hair styles look a lot like native hairstyles wig wearing had to be stopped or the nightmare was continue. This war was going. Tell you can continue your god's pissed so cotton mathur reminded his fellow puritans that it was just an innocent fashion and questioned the threat of the wick. He's like guys. It's actually just something we'd like so and down probably not causing the war. Poverty causes the wars we. We killed some people foolish cotton and then they killed some bars and then that started foolish. Okay it was more about task palm good to absorb things really likes to suck up dumb shit cotton book. I'm just saying i'm loves to soak it up. Doesn't he got us. We kill them. That's why we're war Or maybe it's because you have hair on your body that's not yours idiot this guitar. It's like it's a big kovaci. That's that's exactly what it's like when you're debating climate change on twitter. I'll tell you it's always funding. So the reverend samuel stoddard preached in favor of the perry wiki argued quote. God allowed man by art to supply the defects of nature. He gave us disability. But it's also a stupid. Yeah is how the fuck up. A- god's up there like guys seriously you sold they're things your source base you so fucking finally coming down. Maybe who could finally set some of these fools straight about wearing their people. Can you hear me out. No let me finish. Oh okay i guess you wanna fuck fucker you do. You're right go ahead. Why don't you give a shit about funky. Well lord you would not have put us on. Earth added. Wanted you to live in harmony with dan sure i n but some people are wearing wigs marketed. Up for the rest of us. That's the next goal. The next thing we're going to do after we get rid of wigs live in harmony with nature and animals. But before we do you got a bunch a wig an assholes. I can't believe please. I have to watch this shit for four hundred years until you get to microdosing. I seriously cannot fucking. What a micro is that related. Your words are so. I put mushrooms all over the place i have. We would never eat any no no. There's good ones god. You want us to just nibbling little bit every day you don't want us eating a little bit every day and calm down. But i first lord please set the is right about the league's come on. I don't give a shit about leagues. Our town fucking even read the bible. I to god i want to give it a read. Lord they got. I don't know if you met. Noah noise on the ones and twos but he reckons the dutch. Are we going to get revelations the week. He's a fucking idiot. No no listen nor but you made him too so so the locus will come from the hair. Women are too wet and you made men a little dry notes. We love everything else but men are to draft for weeks. Tell them how you made man dry. So they can't let eggs lord out so far the don't meet. your deities is what i'm learning. There's a bit of a letdown. come back soon. That went pretty good. So some guys you said the ways to keep their head warm like no i just have it. Because it's called and they were like the lord made the the woman you do in november. Sixteen seventy five in response to wigs causing the war. The general court passed slots one authorized courts to proceed either by ab ab ab. I can't fuck this. it's not. I can't rates. All jumbled so fine or correction against the manifest pride openly appearing amongst us in that long hair like women's hair is worn by some men either their own or other's hair made into pay wakes they're basically saying the reason that we're at war and we have to correct it is the long hair wake thing and of course they passed a law passed a lot. Good good that court. that's good. It seem see why it's good to lead with religious. What comes to law richard. Yeah in sixteen seventy nine. Three men were brought before the essex court for wearing wigs and they were convicted and admonished. That might've been with the word was okay. But when you're admonished. Are you just scolding. I think. Probably a public shaming. Yeah i would imagine you'll have been very bad not bad but the laws still. It didn't put a dent in wig. Wearing massachusetts is becoming more worldly especially after became a real province in sixty ninety. A wig wearing is only continuing as the colony becomes richer and more cosmopolitan So samuel sewall and his anti wig buddies always at war with wakes what life would be fun to maybe meet someone at a life. I mean think about you get a plot focus you got to focus out. Settle down once. I get fake hair off. Everyone except women in november sixteen eighty five. He scolded a public notary for quote cutting off his hair and wearing a perry wig of contrary colors. He's yelling it right. I mean i can't notaries. Then i know i don't fucking get it. I mean i guess it makes sense because another it'd be more important than than it is now. I would think 'cause none of this is bullshit. I mean it just seems like forgery. Fatally was nothing new york. I mean people probably just said you were a doctor and you were a doctor. I mean surely being a notary or a candle documentary now not. Everyone wanted to be out front in the fight against the whigs. Even though they're against the whigs. John higginson a minister from salem gave a document he wrote called a treatise against perry weeks. Okay shes at first. He told civil to do whatever you wanted with it. But then seoul was like i'm gonna printed and distributed. And then he gets. It was like you said that quote. He would not have done it while he lived. He's like nope not wanna live man. This shit is hot. It is a hot topic so he writes this thing and he. It's kinda just for him and it's great. It really takes wakes swigs task chair as it heads into the guys. The biggest printer in the colonies fucking put shit out there and then was like no so he has dried die at a viral way. Letter to powerful man. And then people are gonna come with me. And i'll be a wig. Is this guy really believed in his stuff. He's like man you can't print. This is perfect. So it's just so fucking it's cool so experts as much as one group who hates wigs and other group loves them and wears them defended. And but i mean again it. It's you know like not. It's not even like anti religion necessarily but when you draw your weird line in the sand it is going. You're going you're putting a spotlight on something and you're going to attract people who don't believe in your theology that's just way to get it you so it's like it's almost it's like it's like say if someone were to change your name and give you a shitty nickname and then like that nickname caught on. You know the thing to do would be to pretend like it didn't disturb you and bother you when in reality it's just a you hate it wig thing. It really doesn't matter that much but you you hang onto it so fucking tight and becomes your thing and it's also one of those things that once you let someone know that it's a problem for you. They can inflate it and use it to hurt you because their demonic. Yeah that's also a problem giving them power with a word of taken essentially has record like you are who you are. A name is actually irrelevant. You as a person i agree. But there's this level of respect so all these other guys defending themselves. They're said weeks. Keep us warm. They look good wings. Keep us warm as the best. It reminds me of the like. I can't breathe with my mask on you. Know i'm on their side but it is kinda come on. It's a little cheap. What's went after john hayward he said he wars wig because doctors had told them to the medical. You know what i mean. Come on i mean you get your forcing people's hand it's we'd like all right fine medically needed. Is that helpful. Go get high in my home. Now you ask. All andrew. belcher took a jab at so by saying his for warmth and nothing else was appropriate to where a wedding. What i mean. Come on. Come on my wedding wing meditate. We got warm with pretty good. It is. I read it sweetie. It's very weedy some thought. The wedding wig comment was an attack on sewell's velvet black cap which was considered now a fashion football. His black skullcap people think it looks stupid. Idiotic well ahead. While they're walking around water probably absurd wigs. Yeah they're like you look like an idiot. I literally please please. And he wore it everywhere for all occasions. Didn't matter embarrassed his friends. I guess i wanted to go. But he's bald but he's he's bald but he's running around saying this is how god made me take up the fucking skullcap right and they all think the skullcap books dumb right. I'm sure it did some said. Maybe the puritans who hated wig so much focus on things that were more serious name one and by the way we should never have said that we should have always been god. Damn you guys found the perfect issue. Then they would leave all the other stuff alone. yeah instead. now they're like. Oh you don't like it women in charge your body During a sermon. Cotton mothers said quote. One sign of a hypocrite was for a man to strain at a net and swallow a camel too zealous st against fashion taken up and used by the best of man and yet make no conscience of being guilty of great moralities. Sorry i literally stopped at swallow a camel. But i think he's saying you're taking something small and making it huge like choking kind of dick serving got weird. It's revelations sill after reading matt sermon wrote in his diary quote. Supposed to supposed he means the wearing of perry whigs. It's tough to figure out what he's talking about. He's just being slide. Little the big by. Remember how to read sarcasm now. I don't want anything. Cotton mather is a good guy because he wanted puritans to focus less on wigs and more on stuff like witchcraft. Magic and dell right. that's what. I was sort of saying. It's like these guys are fucking idiots guys are like but it's dumb it's like a dumb shot staying whereas like which the witch for the gender shit which gets that's where it gets really bad. It's bad and i mean. Obviously that's way word witchcraft. also gender. she and they're killing and they got a lot more firewater crazy in that. You know this is more like a bolt. that's obviously bullshit. But it's like you you always you always would rather them chase the thing. That is the stupid. Yeah that's true. So cotton had a big role in the witchcraft cased so-called witchcraft case against goody glover who was convicted and executed convicted and sentenced huge a horrible which fit on her head. She's he also wrote a book that some said was responsible for the salem which trials right so it's sixty nine soules. One of the nine judges at the salem witch trials. Were kind of like the voice judges right. They would like the voice. Right which which turnaround. I'm sorry turned around. She's a which. I really like your spells but i am going to have to say i'm really evil. I just i just don't see this spells. i'm not i. don't think the spells are there. Be worse maybe next year. You said last you. Well come back with something. Do some magic you know. I tried to the cat ran away. Get a double partner. You know do something. He's just it's just like i'm getting older. So yeah yeah. I mean it's just not which i don't feel i'm not scared of you in any way. Gosh thank you so much further now. Exit this way or this way this way. Okay go ahead which was writing rubbing my family's out here. Cotton was not a judge at the salem trials. But he was president of the executions and he wrote a letter to the chief justice congratulating him on the executions. We're really good today. Trump kills really good sewer assu later. Say he regretted being a part of it while cotton continued. Defend the witch trials for years and sounded like he actually one deb. More witch trials. He's like let's keep doing shane. So that's who they were right So in june. Senator one samuel seawall. It might be but was informed that his own minister son just ziya willard quote had cut off his hair a very full head of hair and put on a wig. Oh my lord so and that's particularly offensive. Because why are you replacing. What you just had with fake. There's no rationale that. Actually imagine a fucking angry as he hears ministers ministers. He said he's just putting on his fucking buckle hat and his his square buckle and his black pants furious. Take care some business. Who walks down the street to serve. Who is minister's house and the wife answers only why would like to see joe. Ziya move move woman. He then demands to know quote what extremity had forced him to put off his own hair and put on a wig. Oh he goes right to the. The kid goes to joe's i right okay and is pretty straight to the point. He said well. Nothing forced me to do it quote. He said his hair was straight and then it parted behind. So he's like i. I don't like how it i mean. We're not allowed to use product hard. You guys have really created a pretty hard situation to be autism airways god's way but he give me cut the back. It's kind of bizarre it's totally. Yeah yeah you may not use product and don't divert from the plan of nothing. He said look the wig that me. Let's have more fashionable elaborate. look to. That's his reason right. And this guy's cosmetic and this guy's i bumped up and then he's kind of like yeah. I'm not really interested in this in this. He said a bigger conversation and then he goes look men might as well shave their hair off their head off their face. He's like why are you shaving off your face your head because it is. It's a great point. Yeah or cut your nails while responded half of mankind never have beard so he's like whether it be like he's just got nothing just flailing dumb. Astle i quote. I told him that. God seems to have created our hair as a test to see whether we can bring our minds to be content at what he gives us again. I go back to the face. Feels like until you answer that. There's no more arguing. So he saying desire has failed. God's test and put on a wig. You thank god and i go. Why did you shave yesterday. I mean it's it's hard to come back from that. So i was planning on becoming a minister. Just like his dad and told them to do that. He had to set an example and teach men to deny these things. His wig would prove quote displeasing and burdensome to good matt And then reminded us ziya that he knew. Joe zion new wigs were bad because ziad been at a meeting where whigs were condemned by the ministers of north hampton. So what he's saying he's ignored. He knew he's he's now playing the employer card so he's like oh you wanna get in the biz right you remember. All the fucking ministers. That said wigs bad room. And you're gonna wear a wig right. You wanna get in this business. And he played by the fucking rules employees. The minister god. It's just it's just amazing. How like if you think you're his the lord's message. God it's just say all everything's accrues everything every you're allowed to do everything and anything you want. So i only after that backs off and then he indicates when his hair grows back he'd stop wearing the wig. Okay they sewell done. No no a couple days later. He goes to talk to is dad about this crazy week so he goes to his minister. Kids dad about doing over eight. The problem basically. I mean what better resolution could he have his dad like him to grow his hair back fully today his data super happy by what transpired key. Thanks for waking his kid up about the dangers of wig and said his is now says he's going to grow his hair back out long enough to cover years and then he would get rid of the week. The minister also said he didn't know and had he known he would have forbidden from from buying the wig in the first place but his mom had known of this guy. Who's going to buy the wig. No annoying nosy neighbor. Baboots your wife she did. He said quote but was afraid positively to forbid him lest he should do it and be so be more faulty. So he's like she if she told them many went ahead and bought it and he'd be like stuck. Mr and would wanna bail on it. Ray a deal right. Basically a lot of notes for the family. This is apparently not enough for still still. He had a hard time forgiving. Zyppah buddy i mean what do you want. What do you want a few months. Later design delivered a sermon. In his father's church and sewell refuse to attend. He went to another church for services that day. Quote partly at a dislike to mr jessica willard's cutting off his hair and wearing a wig. Okay really showed him. That was his dire entry. Like he's writing the ship. Yes oh in his diary. Diaries filled with anti whig. Karen he went on quote. He that condemns. The law of nature is not fit to be a publisher of the law of grace. And so do you know for timothy clark. Quote took up his wig when he met a group at sewell's house as they prepared to walk to visit the poor and so he. So there's a bunch of guys meeting at suicide. And i guess they're going to help the poor and then soule sees the fucking wig and angry tells them to think about a passage from isaiah and the dude. I know totally shocked like freaked out. Because this guy's like a big guy go help the homeless before you do that. Thing about you're gonna go to hell. In seventy eight ezekiel cheever died and sewell gave a eulogy ended it with quote. He abominated pair weeks. So he like the last thing is Legacy will be that he. He really loves wakes you really didn't crazy. Didn't like weeks. And i think that's what he would want to be known for but remember weeks are becoming more and more popular not another. No no not really. I've i've think people are wearing them less to be honest ones that wearing a bigger. So maybe that's they're definitely become the wearing. I'm not everybody's so named five hundred bluer right now. Five hundred seems like it on on the numbers. Go down to me. So i'm doing some good stuff so happy now i just. I'm not i feel weird with yourself. Aren't you know. I just don't think that i did. Because it's dwindling. it's not it is. It's not at all. But i think if you over if there's less hair on the wigs and i think that's part of it what i've been new subsidies but i'm saying that more more people are wearing them then less they did very much didn't look the fuck around. You can fuck around. When did you looking around every now and then you silly stems shit. Just don't be mad that the lord hates you and he's listening to me because he likes me better okay. I don't want to be here. I don't want about madonna beer shave. My goat. don't shave your not to put an piles okay. Well i just wanna combined you know. Things are trending my way. So soula was Mohammed attacked for not wearing a wig. Seventeen twenty peter tax physically attacked but peter townsend commented about some. There's a town meeting. And at this time meaning peter townsend comments about so's black cap by telling him that he quote should get a wig. So i've everybody now little black cap on which and he's already been mocked relentlessly stupid black cab and so he's super just shamed in front of everybody wearing a black cab. Everyone's like he's on. Yeah slob. he's now the old dude. I was like mad. Respect the golf course souls that god gave him hair and he was not going to start wearing another hair but wears his. He doesn't have here. Doesn't have here but god gave him here and then took it away will. Now it's gone. I assume he said i didn't i he's probably like i wasn't faithful enough. And now i lost my hair but right. He's thinks it's ron to get some other hair right. His ball head was his quote chief ornament as what he said at a meeting lord so he's embarrassed publicly right days later a widow that he was courting apparently said she's not down with the black cap. No wig choice she's like i don't like the blackout. He's like look if this happened three days ago. Maybe yeah he's quote twas inconvenient keeping out of a fashion commonly used. So she's saying you're stepping out of this fashion trend and it's not good and she's like come on quit being a lame o and he's like i'm not i'm not i can't give i can't get away. Marry me and to cap lady so she. She kicks him to the car because he won't wear. But i mean if he were a wig just picked like it's it's just he can't wear he cannot get not were just roll morning. Everybody doesn't You house everyone's ale everyone having a good ale there on your head you are. You enjoying your ails. I was thinking of having one myself. And then that's a wig. Oh this oh a might me you talking. You know guy is he saying. Yeah i me yes yes me on your head. Oh well i was It's actually really funny because I'm trying to think when. I started wearing. Because it's been day you were where yes. Yeah black yet. A black skullcap on. I was wondering scott yesterday. It's funny because times endeavour not warned black. You fucking yell at everybody for. I mean i like animated conversations. That's not if that's send cast three down columbia. Aol what you called me an abomination. I'm curious about the ails. But we'll get into that a second i. Yes you were in a bomb. And we're all of what i don't understand. No i'm trying to find why you find this inconsistent. And it's a puzzling call my wife less than a goat. 'cause she gave me your hair the phrase moses nada turn afraid complemented some counties. I i i i wanted to do again. This is all about fucking wigs. I mean i if we have. And i'm hoping that everyone's having a good ale because unfortunately i'm not allowed to get an update on that yet. But what i was going to say was that yeah. It's one of the. I mean i feel like look. Ideally were not wearing wigs. But like i've always sort of said aminullah loosey-goosey parts of it. You know you can wear a wig from time to time. It's no you never said that. I mean i definitely thought it said. Men shouldn't wear wigs. Because god made us in a certain way wigs on then we were like ladies lady menu would say look. I'll look hey let's just. Let's just do this. Let's just pretend that our lives haven't happened until today you're fucking sixty two. I look at do. I look sixty two. Yeah i feel thirty one could be right all look beautiful your hair look like di come on talking about the absolutely terrible great. I've never looked better now. You look like a panther. I've got a beautiful. I might wear the skullcap again. I mean who knows but for right now i'm I'm loving this vibe to kill you tonight. Why come on. I want to know how everyone's ale is. Then they all cheer. So what i look like from labyrinth. Doing so okay. So he's like he's lost. He's he's he's widowed. He's wigged out. Well it just cotton mother dies in seventeen. Twenty eight samuel sewall died two years later. Whig situation unresolved when they died. Despite what a lot of people leave. George washington not wake. You didn't george. Washington was a redhead and he powdered his hair whites because white hair was in and it was a sign of being wealthy and smart and then whole goal was to just never move gum. Yeah perry wig weather and continued until the final decades of eighteenth century. The french revolution put a serious dent in wigs being cool as they became associated with the aristocracy whose heads were being. Cut off. okay. That is a good way to. Yeah so we're hoping that happens with baldness and bezos. Yes so there were yes. So they're like. Oh that's the bad people right or we just don't want to be those people so their wigs were right. The brits turned on wigs when a hair tax was implemented in. They wanted to raise money so they created a hair tax in seventeen ninety five. That's biden's proposing that for unless you had a reason like being a member of the royal family or clergy or whatever. I like the member of the royal. Family's a reason no one had to buy a certificate to be able to buy hair powder and it costs the equivalent of one hundred twenty two dollars today the hair please the hair powder in the whigs right. So essentially they're kind of pricing out really quickly just killed wigs and hair powder okay. Wig wearing was gone in the early eighteen. Hundreds and Soon would come the rise of hats and then don't worry gang will get totally crazy on those too crazy. It's just i mean you know it. All of these little wedge issues are so stupid. It's just totally. I don't think that that was i. Don't think this was necessarily rooted in that necessarily that it's like a wedge issue but it's a dumb hill the die on sources richard god beer perversions of anatomy and enemies version The perry week controversy in colonial massachusetts mental floss wedded. People were powdered wigs New england historical society a couple of articles from them and finding the source page and history dot net shaped heads and syphilis of brief history of wigs. We signed. god's hi everybody. This is gareth reynolds from the podcast. This is the show. You're listening to wanted to give you some. I stand up dates coming up july. Twenty second th through the twenty fifth. I'll be at comedy on state and madison. Wisconsin august fifth. I'll be in phoenix. Arizona at cb. Live then i'll be at the rally improv august. Sixth through the eighth and i'll be at hyenas in dallas texas august nineteenth. Join me there or join me. The next night august twentieth state theater in austin texas. If that doesn't work for you. Join me. August twenty first at the rec room in houston texas. And i'll be at the spokane comedy club in spokane washington august twenty six the following night. I'll be at the tacoma comedy club. 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499 - John Dawson - Live

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499 - John Dawson - Live

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Wabash in transylvania colleges. Yeah for sure two degrees um what would you do. I mean i just can't ever hear the college transylvania and be like it's just like picture someone waking up in coffins taking state assets or something. There's never a moment where anybody says they went through. I don't go crazy. yeah yeah what. Are you studying vich kind of often. You must be invited to the house. I college in there. Whatever their lavish replacer these stores. Shit piece of the meat from the kentucky meacham. Oh good morning yeah. Sure shirt cosco. so john. Dawson became a lawyer and he married. Amanda thought okay. So it's going. Well okay sure farmer okay. Dread farming in eighteen fifty three then got into the newspaper business and he rented a printing brassy started cracking on newspapers. Share paper was very anti nebraskan. And he's from indiana fucking ticket. Bresca time heartening come out with fucking opinions paper man. Nebraska's still fuck. It sucks an editorial that means means that the paper was pro slavery for nebraska and kansas. Because they were having a whole that time it was the bloody kansas right less blooding raskin situation fair broken bone rosca astral nebraska and. I'm not sure what's happening but keep going for yourself And so he was also anti abolition anti liquor pro free schools and hated catholics boy. I'll tell you loses you. And then he brings you back. I say fuck this autumn and good schools the catholic. Let's let's go right. He should lead with those two. You're following him that he's like play. Let's turn around. That's actually part and the liquor you lost me there really just mind your fucking business so all of those things. Allied him with the know. Nothing party doesn't ran for office in it for the indiana house in eighteen. Fifty four on the people's party ticket and he lost okay couple years later. He ran for indiana secretary of state. This time on a combined. Republican know nothing party ticket. Okay so they know something now. They've now one or two things not to run on their own right. So the evansville daily journal reported they received a handbill that quote may some terribly. Severe charges against dawson. A handbill papers so bill. I mean really once. I got a note guy. Something an hour man pleasing hang up and then i just wanna guess signing on aol now so the evansville dangerous quote make make some terribly severe charges against dawson for which the sake of human nature we hope are not true. Sake of agent major fucking horses would say more to say for the fate of human nature fade. The stakes are pretty sink. It just means god. I hope this is what they're saying. It doesn't mean like humanities. Well i mean they're making some pretty bowl fucking charges against one guy. Yeah and clearly really sticking your theory. You already know the fucking story. What are you hypothesizing about this fucking. You've read this year. I look a centaur wait. Wait dr dr. Oh shit said dr. How my god i mean it. Sort of a baram. I'd have a centaur nine or so much is what i'm predicting this point. Spanish really good thing. That can go the other way around. I'll say that the accusations were enjoying a lot of ladies too much. Okay aubrey's married shirt so it's not great. No i don't say one wife. He must election to okay but he wasn't done two years later. He ran for the indiana house as a democrat. Wow i will try every party. I will democrats okay. What's next. The newspaper was backing lincoln. Big time and it's a republican paper chair a junk much political experience. Because every time he ran he lost election but regardless was considering appointing him to be the governor of utah. Okay it's just that easy that easy okay. Well there's a reason. Obviously it's a strange call. You know sugar never actually won office us. He just sends a paper but wasn't really a job that anybody wanted. Nobody wanted to be the governor of utah. Nobody okay helping. That's help kit relaxed. Absolutely what about that guy. That sucks john. And john was actually open to come imagining what which and of pretty much everybody because literally. No one wanted to be the governor. Is there a real reason. Yeah i mean it's more why not be like i wouldn't be a ruler reminds me too much l. Paco form in so many ways. It's very it's very similar story. His name one difference. Also the indian. Republican party thought john's a huge embarrassment and is loose. Morals are really bad for the party so they wanted him gone so basically he's being cast off to the governorship of utah. Yeah because utah's for morons. Nobody has any interest. Everybody's like they're you know the the the metal massacre like that gone down right and they're also not christian. You know traditional bullshit other fake news and so so they're just like those guys. Let's give him this near hobo guy. Okay okay. sure so it's gonna get rid of. Utah's basically banished distant desert where he could be exiled so perfect are on october third. Eighteen sixty one president. Lincoln appointed john dawson as the third governor of the utah territory. Okay so it's happening. No one in utah likes idea. They're all like fuck this guy right but they can't pick their own governor. Yeah because they're state so the get out okay. Okay all right. The mormons and their leader. Brigham young resented the federal government for training into their lives in atalanta. Ya savings for a couple of years and then it's love film god and they really everything they've heard about john dawson. They do not like it so it's just a bad idea. So he rolls in. He just comes right and gets he gets to work. Okay what's he doing. Best of all let's get nebraska's outta here they're fucking boron opinions arrived on december seventh eighteen. Sixty one kim. Salt lake city wish the territorial capital church previously. It had been feel more Named after president millard fillmore to recognize his courage and appointing brigham young so he gets a city for his bravery of naming brigham young. The governor. okay. That seems as again. You are being a mormon. They don't like the mormons right so it is kind of brave. Sure i mean i guess. This brave brave. Like going into iraq was brave. That worked out. Yes yes so. The capital of salt lake city because no one wanted to louisville more so they just give them like a horrible place. It's an honor is a hill of this is just billboard. Nobody wants to be here. Of course everyone will move to fill city on it. Ill bill well either way. There's a hill city could easily the city below a hill the city under a hail under phil more. Might i can see it now. Congratulations not a building. We'll do to really get to see a lot a lot going. There's a lot to do. Not iraq yes. Yeah yeah