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The Dr. Gundry Podcast

29:37 min | 1 year ago

Skip THIS, and you could die in DAYS.

"Welcome to the doctor Gandhari. Podcast the weekly podcast. Where Dr g gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life. Hey everybody it's doctor here and I've got some very exciting news right now. You can sign up for Dr Countries newsletter as a subscriber you'll get updates about new episodes of the doctor country podcast where we talk about all things health trust me. You won't want to miss out also keep you in the loop of all the things. I'm up to from news to events special appearances visit. Www DOT DR gundy dot com to sign up. Welcome to the doctor Henry podcast. Now I talk a lot about the optimal foods for human health. But there's one thing I've failed to talk to you. About and in fact it may be the most essential thing you can put into your body. And if you don't get enough of it you could die in just a matter of days. So what could be so important that? I devoted an entire episode to water. That's right on today's episode. I'm going to dive deep into a subject. Most of us don't even think much about hydration so strap into here my thoughts on tap versus bottled water. The benefits and dangers of water fasting. How much water. You should drink every day. Trendy waters and much much more okay. So let's start with one of the most basic questions out there. Do I really need to drink eight glasses of water every day? Well the answer is no. You don't and that idea that you need eight glasses of water a day is one of those wonderful miss. Just like the Ten Thousand Steps pedometer myth which was actually invented by a Japanese company to sell pedometers. You don't need to walk ten thousand steps every day for perfect L. actually need maybe two thousand or three thousand. It's the same way with eight glasses of water. Most of us don't realize if you're foul rowing a plant paradox compatible diet you're hopefully going to eat large amounts of leaves as part of Your Daily. Diet and quite frankly most animals get most of their water by eating the water in leaves and on leaves and fact girls each sixteen pounds of leaves every day and they're not sitting near a stream half the day drinking water and that brings me to important point. That will talk about a little bit later in that plants are probably the best filtration system. That's ever been designed to filter your water sorely if you're eating organic vegetables. That plant is filled with filtered water not only filtered water but you actually are getting what's called Structure Water and I'll have more to say about structured water towards the end of the podcast so stay tuned so if you really want to get the genuine article in terms of structured water get it by eating leafy Greens and you're going to get a bunch of now having said that there are other forms of getting water into your system and then includes coffee and tea and no caffeine does not dehydrate you. It will not make you lose water. Sorry about that. It's just not true and believe it or not. Wine is mostly water so these other forms of hydration not taken to excess or perfectly acceptable ways of adding to the amount of H Two O. You're going to get in your body. Now what does dehydration do now? I treat dehydration in the hospital. We do see people that come in profoundly dehydrated and among other things dramatically shrinks the amount of blood that you can successfully pump around your body and most people who we see with dehydration actually present with low blood pressure for instance one of the better ways which is an old way of doing to take a look at your hydration status is to take the back of your hand and pinch skin on the back of your hand. Lifted up for about five seconds and then let it drop that should disappear in a matter of seconds. And Mind's gone if it doesn't disappear. The odds are that you are dehydrated. And it's a pretty doggone good test now some of my older patients who are really quite skinny. It may take a little bit longer for that to happen but quite frankly we see dehydration much more frequently in older patients than we do in younger patients simply because many of my older patients have an interesting name called the Anorexia of old age and simplistically that you don't eat or drink very much at all and it's actually a natural phenomenon. Can you ever drink too much water? The answer is absolutely and I see it perhaps more the nice actual dehydration most of the deaths you hear about during marathons are from over hydration and what happens is people hit these water stations. And they're constantly sweating out sodium and chloride which salt there then drinking water which doesn't have any salt in it and they delude out there. Sodium and chloride into a lesser extent potassium in their blood and low. Sodium is really one of the biggest causes of cardiac arrhythmias in marathon runners. And so when you hear about someone. Suddenly dropping dead on a marathon. It's usually from over hydration. That's why there's warning to marathon participants number one. Don't drink too much water number to try to hit the sports stations where they actually have electrolyte fluids for you to consume and interestingly enough the less fast runners who are out there for four or five six hours are far more likely to suffer from this then the guys who were finishing in two hours. Of course I'm up there. Those guys finishing in two hours. So I've never had a problem. Just joking so now. Let's get a little controversial tap versus bottled water bottle of water. Are there any dangers? Is it really cleaner than tap or simple filtered water so water span the gamut of how these are produced and as many of you know? Many of the large corporations many of the large beverage corporations have bought up bottled water. Companies for instance on Nestle for an example probably owns more bottled water brands than anyone in the world and coke and Pepsi and other bottlers of simple simply joined in the fray a lot of these systems. Use Normal tap water that has undergone some form of filtration in each company uses a different form of filtration. The other I think important thing about bottled water is were mostly through with the BPA scare the plastics than most bottled waters were contained it. It's still possible to get a BP bottle most of them have been replaced with B P s bottles but now the evidence is that bps acts exactly like BPA so my opinion is try not to drink a bottle of water that comes in a plastic container now. Luckily there are a number of bottled water. Is that common glass? And I personally drink and I said this before San Pellegrino which is a sparkling water and we'll get into sparkling water towards the end there Stillwater it's called Pana P. A. N. A. In a glass bottle. There are certainly other excellent forms of glass bottle natural mineral mineral spring water that you should look for but tried or void bottled water in a plastic container tap water. Is it really safe to drink? Well a lot of times it depends on where you live and the filtration system that used in your municipality and quite frankly the amount of fluoride and the amount of chloride that's being put into your water. Also the hardness of the water can have a huge effect and fun fact. The amount of lithium in your local water may have a positive benefit on your brain health through the years people who live in hard water areas. Interestingly enough have better heart health than people who live in soft water areas. And if you use of soft water system in your house please please please make sure. It's a potassium chloride. Soft water system not a sodium chloride soft water system potassium chloride softeners may actually have some health benefits but absolutely not the traditional sodium chloride soft water system so the answer is check with your local municipality. The other worrisome thing about tap water is most of the filtration systems used in municipalities. Do not get rid of antibiotics in water and I can guarantee you that they are in almost all of our commercial water systems so personally my wife and I drink bottled water at home from glass but both of our homes in Santa Barbara and palm springs have a reverse of most of whole house water system as well. They're very reasonable. Price ones available. There are really ridiculously priced. Ones available the other option is get yourself. A disposable pitcher many are on the market. Many are actually very reasonable to us. But check with your local municipality before you say well. I've got great tap water. Also we're gonNA talk about alkaline. Water but the alkalinity of your water varies greatly by municipalities. So some will have actually very high ph is desert hot springs. Which is the community next to palm springs is always voted as the best water in the United States. That's because their water comes from an under underground for that drips off a ten thousand foot mountain and it's filtered water and always gets wins the best taste award and highest quality water in the annual water competition. I've talked about water fasting on this podcast before but I keep getting questions about so. Let me set the record. Straight water. Fasting has been around since Recorded history and certainly. It's been around since prerecorded history quite frankly. We often did not have food but thank goodness. We had water. We can go without food for months. And months and months there's been human experiments and human beings who have gone over six months without eating but you can only go without water for approximately seven days. That's how important water is now. Water fasting because of its long historical significance and because fasting is associated with all the great religions. People assume that water fasting is and it's safe and wire as if this was one hundred years ago and I'm doing this podcast. Probably from his soapbox in the town square water fasting would be very different than it is now. That's because in our modern environment. We take heavy metals and organic pesticides and other toxins which are now ubiquitous in our environment and in our food and we store them in our fat cells and believe it or not when they're stored in our fat cells. They don't have a huge effect on us. That's why I use the example. A giant tuna or a giant swordfish which is full of energy and full of live may have toxic amounts of mercury in their flesh in their fat. But it's not affecting them so you eat that mercury and you store that mercury in your fat so when we do a water fast we virtually immediately start using up our fat for energy. Because we're not eating. The problem is as we use that fat. The heavy metals the pesticides all the other toxins are released into our bloodstream. Now our liver is the pointed to detoxify the compounds and we have phase one and we have phase two detoxification fixation enzymes. That do a pretty reasonable job but the liver actually has no ability to detoxify heavy metals. It says I'm going to spit these heavy metals out into bile and the buyer will be squirted into the intestines. And I'm rid of it and everything's fine. Unfortunately we reabsorbed those heavy metals from our intestines. So that many of us during a detox are actually increasing the level of toxins in our bloodstream. Because they come out into our bloodstream and we immediately recycle them back into our bloodstream. And so many people including Dr Joseph McCullough who was a big fan of water detox have really stepped back and said wait a minute. That's probably not what we should be doing in the modern age and as many of you know I developed product better using myself to deal with the issue. And I've written about if you want to detox heavy metals properly. Here's the steps to do. Is there a safe way to water? Fast yes and just in the longevity paradox. Show you how to do this. You need to complex heavy metals. And the best way to do that is the use of chlor. Rela and the use of activated charcoal. I also think you need rev up your liver enzymes melt. This'll be great way. A compound called de Lima. Nina's a great way Dandy Lion Greens or Great Way. And this is all in the longevity paradox. So please don't just say I think I'm GonNa do a seven day. Water Fast Peter. Tm as backed off on his seven-day water fast and is now this year. Only GonNa do Three Day Water Faz which I think is much more reasonable approach. Okay time for lightning round of quick questions and answers. Lack SCOPE IS ALKALINE. Water healthy so we've had one of the world's experts on alkaline water on my podcast and I do suggest you listen to it. Here's the hilarious thing about alkaline water. Everyone thinks that we need to have an alkaline environment to be healthy. In fact we're capillaries deliver blood and nutrients to the cells. It's actually slightly acid environment. And that's how things actually happened alkaline. Water has actually less ability to Alkali you than for Instance Baking Baking Soda. So if you really want to have a benefit of an alkaline environment you're much better off dissolving a teaspoon of baking soda in some water and drinking it rather than having alkaline water alkaline water will not change your H. One bit there aren't enough ions dissolved to change your Ph and as you know my colleagues at the Medical College of Georgia where I went to medical school recently published paper that having a teaspoon of baking soda a couple times a day in proves athletic performance. It's actually an old hack of professional athletes. And actually may protect kidneys from inflammation so no alkaline water. If you WANNA have an alkaline water machine knock your socks off a lot of the reverse osmosis. Machines will give you alkaline water. I have one but don't be confused by what benefit you're going to get from that. Alkan water it's actually the reverse osmosis. That's probably doing the trick. Is there anything wrong with ice water? Well first of all it depends on where the ice is being made. Number two is waters incredibly. Good for you think about this. You have to cool the ice water down to normal temperature and in doing so you use heat from your body and that he requires energy so interestingly enough the more ice water you drink the more energy you use up to cool off or heat up that ice water so you actually can have a benefit by drinking ice water rather than warm water. How healthy is hydrogen infused water? Well we've had a podcast about this and I can tell you. I think that the discovery of the benefits of molecular hydrogen. Honor GonNa be one of those ground shaking changes how we understand. How hydrogen works in our body for health. Just a little teaser for my next book The energy paradox. Which would be out in the fall of this year. People with Parkinson's disease have been discovered that their gut microbiome does not make hydrogen out of the food they whereas normal people's gut microbiome makes hydrogen gas out of the food aid. And I'll leave that teaser Because there's more on hydrogen come so I think hydrogen water I drink daily is really one of the game. Changers if you're interested in brain health and if you're interested in longevity should I drink water with a meal why and why not so you need gastric acid to digest protein? We use acid for one purpose and one purpose only in terms of the food we eat and that is to digest proking if you do loot the gastric acid with water. You'll actually slow the protein digestion. Now that may be believe it or not a good thing if it slows gastric emptying. But here's a crazy fact. There's a little valve at the end of your stomach. Called the pilot. Bow by Loris that senses when gastric acid goes away. And that means that you're protein has been digested and it's ready to empty the protein or the stomach contents into the small intestine for further digestion and absorption. If you delude out the acid with too much water you inadvertently open the gates too soon and your stomach contents empty into the small intestine suit too soon. This can do two things number one it can actually spike your blood sugar inadvertently and it can lead to protein this not fully digested and that protein will actually undergo fermentation and you may actually get the gas and bloating that you associate with irritable. Bowel Syndrome but it may be because you had too much water with your meal and you started the process that way. Can I drink sparkling water as a replacement? Yes here's the proviso most sparkling waters mirror Lee bubble up carbon dioxide into the water and that actually makes for an extremely low ph in those waters the also can increase the phosphorus content. So Italian law requires that all Italian sparkling waters which quite frankly are in glass. Half the balance that has to be neutralized San Pellegrino by the way has the most neutral ph of any of the sparkling waters on the other hand. If you guys are sitting around drinking lacroix or something like that as a wonderful sparkling water you may beginning a pretty impressive acid load. If you're having several of these day so and please make sure your can is BP free make sure you found can that doesn't have a liner that has BPA in it. Glass has no BPA. Are there any people shooter who should avoid sparkling water? Yeah if you can't burp it's probably a good idea to avoid sparkling water because that gas has got to go someplace and if it doesn't come out the top end I guarantee will come out the back end. Are The chemicals in water? We should worry about you. Betcha there are Really kind of talked about this. I'm very suspicious. As are many others particularly doctor. Mccalla about the fluoride content and water most of the good quality water filters that you can purchase will get floride and chlorine out of your water as well as some of the other chemicals in addition to getting the antibiotics out of your water That's one of the my big fears. Don't have any data to share with you. I'm trying to find it on whether these filters filter out glysophate the ingredients in roundup which quite frankly is in most of the things we ate and probably in our groundwater as well What about think about testing your water. What Ph should it be at well again? That's going to vary from municipal municipality to municipality. It's not a big deal to check the PH of your water but for fun check the Ph of your sparkling water and you'll probably be pretty shocked about what you're drinking. What structured water is it better? So structured water is basically Six water molecules arranged in a hexagonal shape. What's interesting is in the human body. Most of it is that we change the water. We drink into structured water. We know that structured water is what is in plants as I mentioned before so should we drink structured water to get structured water in us? Well it's not going to hurt you But I'd much rather eat plants to get structured water and quite frankly as you're gonNA learn in the Energy Paradox. The reason you have structured water in you already is because of the way you actually absorb water from your intestines. And there's another teaser for him raw. Water trend is it dangerous to drink untreated raw water? It depends on where it comes from. If you're on a camping trip to Thailand and you're going to drink water out of a creek. I would highly not recommended in fact when I do mission work in Africa and India. I always bring water-treatment tablets filtration systems with me because the idea that that raw water is good for me is not a good idea. It's a loaded with parasites some of which can infect you for the rest of your life on the other hand long ago. I invested in a company in Utah that brought water up from glacier from ten thousand feet below mountain that they had tapped into that glacier formed millions of years ago it's Sterile. It has no organisms in it and is it great stuff. Yeah unfortunately went out of business and that's too bad So it depends but the idea that water should be raw. Most spring water is by definition a raw water. But you gotta be careful. Stream is not necessarily W- Ralph water that you want to drink okay now. It's time for review the week. Our review of the week comes from. Itunes user are with the one who writes so informative. I was introduced to Dr Country recently through seeing him on. Tom Billions podcast after watching. I knew I had to subscribe to his podcast. Dr Gunnery Educates me and makes me WANNA learn even more. Thank God for him. Well thank you very much. 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Winter Is Crappening: Throne Overboard

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1:34:37 hr | 2 years ago

Winter Is Crappening: Throne Overboard

"Hello. And welcome to winter is crap inning podcast. That's all about game of thrones. I'm Ben Mandil Kerr. And joining me as usual is the wonderful hilarious. Ronnie carom we are both from the watcher crap podcast. And this is our our take on game of thrones. What's going on Ronnie low? How are you doing? How how have you been depressed? Hell how do you think? I'm doing just press. Stop on this damn show. I don't know whether the Cryer kill somebody. Well, you can do both. You know, do usually those go hand in hand decapitate. Somebody's made is what I'm gonna do. Get some prevail. I almost use this episode as a reason to have something that was high in carbs, and maybe fried. I was like, you know, what I deserve to have something delicious right now. Well, almost went there almost don't say this show never teaches you anything. If you ever fucked me over decapitating your made that is. While lots lots to discuss, you know, now that now that the big battle is over. We're back to you know, all all sorts of fun soapy things and drama. But before we do that just quickly be sure to follow us at watcher crap on Instagram, and all those fun places social media, be sure to subscribe to this to this show on apple podcasts or wherever you wherever. You find podcast believer review really helps us grow and go watch a crap dot com are mean, our main website and find all the links everything you could possibly need including tickets to our our live shows. So and also go get your shut up brand shirt with reigning put up at crap in March dot com. If you forget crap Smerch dot com crop and Smerch dot com. You can go just to watch crap in common, find links to grapple. I'm glad you made that sure I'm glad you made it because you know, what for someone who's so quiet. He sure needs to be told shut up a lot. And I you know, I love my brand and he serves a purpose. But it's like brand is one of those people and we live in LA. So we know a lot of these people. I'm sure have been as lot to that start like they stopped doing heroin or math or whatever. And then they start. I gotta rehab, and or they go to like a yoga retreat, and then they come back, and they're like, I feel no anger anymore. Oh, really no on the brand. Yeah. You just kinda like talk behind their back. Do anything you can't piss them off. And they're like I'd no longer feel any answer. And you're like, you know, what shut up with your fucking yoga retreat. Okay. And those are always the person the first person to go postal dinner party once they've had enough. You know? Absolutely. He is the sort of person who like insists that you come meet him every time you hang out. You insist. You have to go meet him at intelligence you coffee. So you finally do then get hooked on coffee. And the next thing, you know, he's like, oh, I don't need coffee anymore. I drink tea. You're the one got me onto this. I'm wondering stuck with intelligence. Yeah. Oh, you still go to intelligence tell over I'm stumped town about so brand. So brands would like wearing a for York. Why are you wearing a four like why are you fancy like, we're we're both still waiters like where are you? Now. It's eighty five degrees out in Los Angeles. Right now, why are you wearing a for? And I know it's fake for brand. But you don't even have to say if you said if you said, why are you wearing a for now? He'd be like, oh, no, I have compassion for animals. This is. Yeah. This is a celebration of the body when you kill always celebrate all of it as go. Where'd you get that Melrose? No, not on Mauro's. I found it in a corner shop in mar vista. Of course, you have to one Millrose avenue. Great got up brand to be we have very strong thoughts. So this episode big news at the top the episode. I don't know if you noticed as Ronnie, but in the opening credits, those clattering tiles have stopped stopped clanking and making noise dead killed the ended too early. And now the west rose design show has stopped recording. Okay. Now the rest. Thanks, guys. It's like what you replace my hardwood floors tiles. I didn't even finish the job. Congratulations. Whoever wins the throne. Your kingdom is now half tiled good. Let bat. Shitty pattern of eighties. To enjoy your glass bricks. You know, that's what they're going to be making the wall, very fixed. The wall with glass bricks from my taste of Palm Springs. Nineteen eighty-four. Designing dish torn on Tormenta secretly designing it. You know, dormant he's you can tell because there's just spilt shit everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. There's also a broken winter fell which was super sad. I was like oh feels like kind of broken on the inside. You know? It's funny. I didn't notice the so focused on the tiles. I didn't notice broken. I was. Okay. You know? And that's what happens you, don't focus on anything. But the tile the living room doesn't get finish. And I'm looking at you property brothers. Well, you know, when you do remodel it always gets worse before it gets better. Right. They're gonna find some mold. They're going to find some piping that was like out of code before, you know, dead grandma's coming to life and strangling children. You know, how it goes? They're gonna go down in that crypt. Like, oh, well, the bad news is that grandma came alive during that fight and tried to kill us. But the good news is that we've found this lovely preserved fireplace. I think we can really like spiff up and make the centerpiece of the scripts so we opened with well, I noticed one thing to in the pre in the previously is that the writers really like somebody being held by the throat and then stabbing because that happened twice last episode. And I didn't really realize until they showed it again. I was like, wow, they really love that killing method because killed like that. And then are killed the, you know, the the might king like that. And I just thought, you know, that's interesting. I wonder if they're gonna. Make that a rule of threes type thing where someone else's going to begin strangled and then stab your ass. I think it only applies to young women lake if you're like a younger woman or you look like a young woman on the show a young girl, then that's how you will die. But otherwise, it's the standard. Beheadings stabbing. Mauling, you know. Yeah. So yeah. So this episode opens up we see Joris dead body, and he's lying there and narrow trying to cry even though she doesn't really want cry. But she knows that people are looking at her. So, you know, so it's just not some tears. It's very big broach. My problem with Danny's that she's just like who curls their hair during the war. You know, like, our hairstyle looks great. And I'm like, are you kidding with your ten pounds? A we've you know that bother me about also with John because both of them John took everyone else looks just like stood up out of the bogs. And I'm a and they're just brushing that every all the shit off their clothing. John took the time to do his hair and put in tonight's ponytail her hair. Looks amazing Mike U2.. Meanwhile, really are damning has someone from Dillard's waiting backstage just to, you know, make sure she's an acute coat and a giant broach. Yeah. John has a Representative from tastic sands, which is on several. Past seems. I hope you like it, sir. I have to say dead theon theon looks adorable. Blue people linked to rate us look. Yeah. Great us. Luck was blue. A lot of transformation gratefully red white and blue go Merdid did was it just me reading into this. Or was I not was the nurse whispering. Something to Jawara's ears lost in translation style. Like, it's a little secret that only they will know that soap, it's so special so private that only Soviet Coppola could have had this moment. You know? Yeah. Is she did? I couldn't obviously remount, but you can't hear it. So I don't know if it's gonna come up later like when she was we spearing, and it'll be stupid like the rest of this episode is going to be a game of never have I ever drink. I know you on down Naby drink. Do you know the guy who plays their log homes drink? Also, I hope someone like are. We just never gonna see Yarra Yarra great joy, again also known as Jess like your friend from college, which is still stand but behind that theory yard, she'll come in. She'll come in like yelling, really lab think-i killed. Well, I will that would be terrible. Because you know, then what what joy is left in the Gradus. Czar? I was drinking a huge water. Biggest gulp of water. It was agreed agreed goal grief. Gulp for for. I was finding on you pondering yours fate a little bit more. I was gonna discuss how Yar reminds me of like someone named jazz that my whole thing again, which I do every episode. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. But she does remind me of someone named Jess. So then Santa's sobbing over red white and blue theon, and she gives him the hand of the king, which is so nice. And then guess John doing having great lease was that the hand of the king. I thought it was just like saying like, no, you're officially part of our family. Here's the maybe you know, what maybe I don't know what it was. But it looks like the hand of the king thing, they give people. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of accessories on there or it was like it was the letter opener of the family or it was just like a trinket she found. She's like, I don't know what I've been needing to Regifters thing and put it, right? It was a butter knife. Somebody gave her and that grow sky who she kill. It was it came from hot. Pie Haapai sent congratulatory like pie with like a trinket on. And they're like, well, I'll take the pie. But at the. You get when you get a pumpkin pie Boston market at Christmas. She's like, you know, what I'm gonna give this to the he's done so much. He's he's basically a member of our family, even though we sort of decimated our little world here. He's member of the family and he deserves a seat at the Christmas table with the pumpkin pie from Marie counseling. Guess what? These characters are doing crazy things right now, John has severe cry face. No shock here. And guess what? Brands doing sitting there in his for judging you for still doing heroin. Okay. Yeah. He's just sitting there. And now all the all the bodies have been piled up. And and so they're all they're all they're going to let them on fire. You know, and it's really sad. And then Johnson about to give speech, but brand sitting there so awkwardly he reminds me of one of those like ice identified there when I was younger, and he reminds me of one of those old ladies sitting right in the French front row, refusing to smile and then like right in a dramatic part. They just start opening a candy wrapper. It's like just here. Yeah. A little candy. He's got ready to go. John. I give my sweet he's like hold on almost with it. Almost brand. Do you mind mind is really important? I I don't want anymore, but I do want but a scotch. We're original opening. Making a standard, John speech is real user due to say goodbye to others. And also, those all those mothers friends, and that Tracy which took off on and then Tony already what was that about? All right. Everyone. I know John like a thousand people died kid you on your speech lady who pay Kary what a good one the man who started to bicycle shop in town dead. Who just finished his first shift at cinnabon. We remember him. The entire zoom class of northern winter foul. Ted. My fifth grade lacrosse team did so then they start everybody on fire, which is really sad. I don't know why we're laughing. We're really just a couple of overtime. That's for anyone who hasn't figured that out. We're not laughing at the fake people who had picked up. Okay. So. Yeah. So, but it's like a sad moment. We got to see like the last of Edison also known as Ed and Liana Mormon, you know. And and so they're they're like, they're all lying there. And so John John generis have like torches and they're looking at each other. Like, should I start you want to light it? You wanna let it should I sort it. Should you? You're to drag do you want? Do I do? Still looking at each other like relationship relationship. Oh, my God relationship of relationship. Just like the fires. You know, what this isn't about your fucking by fright? Now, you to K there's like nebula row Pires before we require should reach the fact that you're my aunt is. That is now a good up. No not. Okay. We'll do that later though. Right. The only person like fifty percent of the people of the population of this podcast. Do not even care is fucked up that I don't even care the kind of in nephew feel like if you didn't know each other doesn't count. Well, I agree. And in the world of this show, you know. Incest sort of happens and like in her family. She kind of like a big thing. You know? So I'm okay with you guys. Go you go with your co with your incest pretty people just should be together. Even if their aunt and uncle or aunt nephew. So they burn everybody. And then we go to less Angeles. Just kidding. It's just because the whole screen filled with smoke, and it looked like our downtown. Whoa. Now turning to not leave the house today. The rent so high all of a sudden here Randy Newman. Dude, dude, we love it. So then we got the Harry Potter school where everybody's having bitter. Every time I see a boardroom with that many candles. Yeah. It's like a very. Picked you. So so there's like a table front. You know, like, we're all the important VIP table, which is where I like that the VIP's in this world is the inverse of the way it works in LA or really anywhere else. Whereas like anywhere else. It's everyone is like looking at the VIP's trying to get their approval or sneak into their VIP rooms years. Just VIP's get a table. And this look at everyone else. Like, okay, we're just going to stare at you guys. Yeah. I think they have about array of doing it. You know, just stare out. Throw chicken bones at them. So Santa's drinking from a Cup slowly like on angry again the battles over. I still have a grudge sons. You have this is a very telenovela soap opera, see where everybody's just looking at each other. Like, I'm still mad and jumps like almond levity. Don't be mad just because I'm the right? And the Danny's like still can fuck even though I'm pretending that you're not really the rightful heir, and you never told me that piece of news. I don't know anything about it. Well, do okay. So proper come on show. Yes. She just staring forward in a pool of mixed emotions. So then Genry he's like sitting at the table. And he's like he's like all hot and bothered. And he turns the hound hound has been getting really annoyed by the way like his stick. Like, can you lighten up? Okay. I know you feel bad that you didn't fight or whatever issues you have. Okay. That go back from when you're a child and your brother your face in the fire time to get over it. Okay. Just just wrote down whatever triggered. Conversely, how this constantly triggered. It's like we get eight hound. Okay. But we've already you get it. Yeah. Yeah. So again, the oil, and he was like you can still smell the banning bodies and Oni. It's like, you know, what you're the one who's eating chicken bones drinking wine. Okay. Don't act like you're being unappropriated. That's why I love hand will love him forever. He's always eating like, no matter. What's happening on screen? How does like having a chicken bone or something, you know, he finds it? He had a whole seem seasons ago. Right where he killed five people. So we can have some chicken the man loves chicken. He does. So they have I'm not just like you should be wanting. We add to kill all dead people. Do it you're usually dick and Henry gets up. And he's like he's trying to kinda I'm gonna go Jekyll and then. Gandhari? That's right. Isn't it? And I was like, oh, no, please. Don't be bits right now. 'cause yeah, really Danny's coming from right now. And I'm like, look I've been rooting for you for years. I mean, I've been reading for sourcing more, but still I've been reading for you don't just turn into jackass. Yeah. Deniro's has really I'm not rooting for her anymore. She really is a jackass these days something happened between season seventies. Eight and I'm like, I haven't really been able to get behind her. I'm just like God. She's getting really annoying. Yes. So she's like Ganz read. That's right. Isn't it your rob Rathi? And so on it's like, okay. Yeah. You're the mean girls gonna make fun of the kid and like in the lunchroom. Now, you have what it felt like, and she's like you're aware that he took my family's thrown and tried to have me murdered right? He's like sorry. Didn't know literally made all the weapons for your armies. So. So so. Like, literally, we just want a crazy battle that. We'd never should have one. And you're going to like go do this right now. Like, really he's like, well he's done and his brother's dead too. So whose Lord of storms storms are now. And he's like, I don't know. God, please don't hurt me. Is this the pop quiz, and she's like, you are you a lot of storms end, your heart. You'll have to look at my smile. What did Shaw smile would you like hug? You get Andrey Baratheon of storms and son of rob around him because doctors want I've magical, and you could just see like missing was problem. Probably like, oh my God. I know title Kendra at the end son of rubber around the Smith. The Ford max stones and on a person who has new lawn flamingos and stones and Mona of all the rocks in south storms and zero skip Taya pressure czecho-. Toes toast. Drain drain cleaner. Pop tart catcher from the tosa when he is walking to school. But I'm bastard. She's like, oh, who's dead? Not you're okay. I make I give out the bastard titles here come on time. So then ever and then Jones cheers from my power completely being ignored. Just completely ignoring what I told her is not gonna go. Great. And you could see is like staring like can. I can I get something to like. I was kind of like, no, okay. All right. What do I win? Like, what do I win? The you get to see someone young and hot term into an old nine hundred year old person than die right in front of your face. Thanks what a trophy guys. Thanks. Yeah. And then like the hound. He's like, okay. All right. We get it. Someone's cranky have another training wing. Why didn't anybody pick up that necklace, by the way, does your handsome, man? But you're no spring chicken. If I saw that bench of all over the field. I would have run out there and grab that necklace. What's wrong with you? Yeah. I would have been scared to touch it to be honest. I'll be I'll be as fair of young handsome. I want people to like me for my brains. Like, I can't deal jealous. Bitches, you know. So so Tyrian is satirical next to deniro things like auditing, and he'll be forever loyal to you. And she's like see not the only one who's clever, and then sounds just like looks over to nurse like you fucking bitch. Yeah. Saunas ready to kill her killer. So then bran in Jamie, look at each other. And I'm like when did this happen? I get that their friends, and she's always had kind of a crush on him. But things kind of escalated in a way and see them coming. Also be fair. I actually never really got romantic chemistry from I thought it was more. Like a like I feel like she was like he was like the first guy since Ren Lee who who like like looked out for her and saw her as a human instead of a tall freak of nature's what she always perceived. Not that people are saying that that's what she thinks. And. I didn't see it as she was pining for him. Because you know, as we said before she was like, more, masculine and whatever. So I thought she was sort of like a. Thought she was a closeted lesbian. I'm not gonna lie. You know? And I know it's not to say that just because you are a lady with more masculine tendencies in the traditional sense, you're lesbian. But I thought that was a token token thing for the population really liked him. Because she looked like she was always crushing. And then he looked at her like Danny looked at. Giora like sorry. Never going to get is fucking. My sister. Get mine. I just figured like she's on him someone who like Sawh hers, a human and he saw in her someone who took a chance on him. And didn't just seem like the vile nights layer whose sister. And so I thought they had like not sexual chemistry. I thought they just had a mazing like we get each other chemistry, and that was what was going to power than like, an amazing beautiful friendship and also sexual. But I was devas- interior and talking and he's like, dammit, I still can't get over not killing that. Oh bitch. I wanted to kill her. I wanted to kill her swerved killer. I saw her face show your babies, all you want. I'm gonna kill you. And he's like, I'm sure you had two reasons. Interior doesn't care. He's just going to get drunk. No matter what. Yeah. Devas is like now he's like just mad at everything like Lord of life. We did we fought his wall. We want his well firm, and then he just fucks off. He doesn't even give us any sloan's of blessings. Well, what do you want of you didn't believe in him for like the entire dominant you want? He goes a long time. And then he's like God event, and my friends it's like, well, you know, you basically came for presents. Okay. Came with Christmas presents and this is not your wishlist. Okay, sir. Your list, the blessings that you're alive, sir. You're alive, and you shouldn't even be allies. Don't look at your twinkly is. I mean, isn't that enough isn't that enough? So then we're. Than to Rian goes over to the fireplace. Which is now like a landmark on the show because millions take place at this fireplace and cheering goes over there and guess who staring at him brand this. We have another soap opera looks where it's like Sampras looking at John Johnson Danny daddy's looking over the crowd and brands just sitting there with his hard candy. So Tyrian says to durians like, oh, like, you know, that's cool wheelchair that you've got there and brands like it's the same one that Dhahran tug galleon may his crippled nephew one hundred twenty years ago. And I was like, okay, great. So you've got like he's such a hipster, right? Like such a hipster like, yeah. I just found this cool thing like one hundred twenty years old this amazing vintage shop like you would know about it. But I found and I like that Tyrians kind of like hunting for a thank you because he's like, yeah. But isn't that clever? It's even better than the saddle. I'm H you. And he's like, yeah. Some you know, it was designed by that guy. He's like, okay. Thank you. Okay. Why don't I just ignore the fact that I put all that time to design useful? How about that? My other favorite part was that when he said dare on Tarin. I really thought he'd said Diane target Aaron I love the idea that get Diane target out there, Diane we just played by we. Waist. Yes. She sells Avon she goes from gasoline castle. It's like, hey, Diane guarantee. Your again does anyone wanting to Yvonne? No, you hadn't erotic we like apologizing for her family and every living room. Stop is that sorry. She's like I just need to talk to you about. My my niece deniro. She's a really good girl. I just wanted to give her a shot. What would you think you are? So Tyrians brand, you know, more about our history than anyone die and we all brands like guess, the human brain weighs about eight pounds. Thanks Brad gay, but gone, two and a half minutes. Too often a microwave brand. Turns. Cheers like well now. Well, your do the other new Lord of winter fell. Now brands like. Well, you don't want it. He's like, I don't really want anymore. Cam fucking yoga of telling you, whatever brand whatever we know you have an Amazon wishlist, I don't want. He's like, okay, I'm gonna go get drunker. How about that? And he's being for not wanting whatever that means yoga camp and brands like he shouldn't envy me mostly I live in the past. And then he's wheeled away by his new nurse. I guess I don't know who even wheeled him away. But thanks a lot for giving them some credit. What am noxious thing to say about yourself? You know, I live in the that's usually an insult. He's like he's like reclaiming it, and like owning it, and I don't like that maybe there especially after yoga camp because that's where you learn not to live in the past, you know, brands, very confusing. He's very vintage. Yeah. Very vintage. So torment is talking this answer and everybody they're like Joan get wasted. And this is where all the guys accelerating, John they're like member that woman who came into his dragon. Who cares Floca John wrote one a man a man on a dragon? Of course, they're going to not give us any credit. Right. Exactly. And they're just like posting to him and everything, but I will say I mean to narrow is doing her. She's like trying to like really when people over she's like to what was her name again Anya start aria. Stark the hero winter fell. No, the real heroes right here. Dragon Rondo, and they're all like, you know, playing swords with dick. So the gap penises we've got penis his penis as and Danny's like, okay, great bunch of fucking men. Not giving me credit. I'm gonna go work on my wife. So then she walks off on that. I think for me the way I took it was because we the camera zooms in on her face, and she's just staring ahead and like having a moment because basically tormentors lake he's like John's though is the only gone again and then to live. Yeah. Most people when they get murdered. It's did not this one of crazy. He rise a drag and the only wanna Raza dragons and that man. And the way I took that was her being like am. I being crazy. Like, my brother how crazy now microalgae so disturbing like, oh, they're celebrating him as the new king when Hello I'm sitting right there. Do I need to walk out of a fucking fire for you people. Like, what do I have your your it could be a little bit of both actually could be little bit of her being like like like, oh my God. You know, like they they'll never be Queen. They only celebrate him. And then her that it seems to me like oh my God. Why am I thinking like this? I'm crazy. All my God. Am I just like my crazy brother and my the mad king? But in women form, she'll be doing all I think that that's definitely what the audience is thinking. She's about the loser shit. You know? Yeah. Yeah. She is. And I like that also that when she is like having this like internal monologue that then she looks away. And then like they're right up interface like various Mike means someone's in a mood look at that. And he knows exactly what's going on. You know? So she walks off all mad and the geyser. So then bran, and then we start this weird game of never have. I ever. It was the weirdest heart. I think of the entire series for me. I didn't really. Yeah. It was like, well, I think that weird as possible always be Sheeran showing up in the middle of the show to sing some annoying song. But I like it was weird. They're like, they're like, very caustic questions. And so it was Jamie and Theron and Padre and Brienne and brands like now like now that she smiled. She's. Smiling. More getting use to it and like kicking off the training wheels and everything so they're like asking questions Jamie's luck you have done with Ron Lieber Barath, Ian, and she likes drunk. She dance, you know. And so they're all getting excited and they're having fun. There's always someone who ruins it, of course, teary, and you know, it's always the drunk est. One. He takes it too far. And he's like you'll and she's like goal. Never slept with a man or woman or a goat yet or. We're gonna stick or even Stephen poetry. I can't believe you've been walking around with Padre all this time. And you haven't even enjoyed his beautiful. She's like I'm Don like, okay, that's decry face. So she gets up in jets. Well, she's like I have to pay on the man still. 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And he goes up with her. And then another girl at even fuck you. And he's like, no, thanks. I like drinking bene- fuck off. So she scampers away and then sauna sits down, and she's like she could have made you happy. He's like there's only one thing that can make me happy. And she's like what's that? 'cause it's my business to basket from Harry and David damage that blow Bocquet gamut. One is explicitly scrub Damase. People. Always wanted to try zoom. I just need a new Levin Rabin candle. Why they keep coming out? And he's like, why are you looking to be it used to be couldn't even look at me? Like that was a long time ago. I've seen a lot worse than Houston, San how how ha- you have it you broken in you broken rear wrath, and she's like kiss, and he got what he deserved I gave it to him. And he goes how does hounds and they laugh? Like, I say, hey, that's me. Then he says, honestly, what what I've been thinking for a long time. He's like none of this would have happened if you'd left king's landing of me not finger. No ramsey. None of it. And then she's like without little finger and Ramsey and all the rest, how stated who'd or my knife. I'm like, yeah. But you also went through the worst torture violation that humid could probably go through. So I I think it probably has any woman escape that on this show. I mean, I've I figure it's like well, at least my torture ended with a possible throne. You know, what I mean torture with you would have been like going around. God knows where what you eat chicken and fart on me. While I'm on the back of their force like, no, thanks. I'll take it. Exactly. Yes. Sort of like a zero-some game for which is like every season zero-sum game for her. She just always throwing some terrible situation. Yeah. I know. It's almost weird seeing Santa totally screwed over by in this in the who was weird. So then we go outside and like everyone is like just wasted. And they're like being messy, and they are just. Kissing and I was like well so much for what the hound was saying before when he was trying to get injury for being horny and wanting some aria action I was like everyone's like kind of their everyone's wanting right now so aria is celebrating in her own way by practicing shooting arrows that servcies head. So entry comes in. And he's like, I'm celebrating as well on not just injury rivers now entry. Geraldo rivera. Oh that sad. Yeah. He's he tells her he got a title and stuff, and he's like, I'm Gary Ramsey and of storms and by order of the Queen. And she's like, oh, yeah. Congrats. Would you move out of the way some about sheet in the face? You know, what I don't like on this show and aurea dozen a lot the coquettish. I just I just flung an arrow right by your nose. Like, isn't t-? I'm flirting with you by doing that. That's not cool, actually if I'm walking, and you shouldn't aero that goes right in front of my nose hits a wall like like like five inches from my face. I'm not like, oh, hey, like, why would you ever do that to get someone's attention? Why would you risk their life? Just say, hey, what's up? Okay. Just Hake injury over here. I'm Ari Ari over here. Know, you're kind of foreplay now it's just like like, you know, what like there should be an option. I'm like, okay. Cupid not into eras face when flirting God there should be. There's so many kinks. Now, you really have to watch out there. It's like how many times can you be spat in the face while you're making out with someone before you're like, okay. Do I need to. I don't wanna be spat upon on my profile like is going on in the world. Probably do act. Really don't enjoy being Pete on. Okay. We're just about that. I could use less strangling. How about that Tinder? Yeah. Dating dating Moran. So anyway, Gandhari. Yeah. I'm a man now, she's like any you wanna get married. Let's get married. You're going to be great lady of you know, whatever. And she's like oh poor. Boy, like who the who the fuck thinks I just killed the dark Knight. And now going to just be someone's wife at their their fucking nouveau riche castle. The fuck out. I'm gonna I'm gonna go to whatever island or wherever it is. I'm just gonna go there like, oh, okay. So I'm just supposed to parameters. Now. She's like kills the worst person the history of our planet like congrats on making manager at Burlington coat factory. But I kind of have higher aims of my as you didn't know I have a agent now, I'm going on a book tour, and I am signing a music deal. Sorry by please. Don't lose my number love texts. Okay. Yeah. Stand touch data Haapai for me. So she's like, yeah. It up. So I pulled up store I'm pulling a map of west coast because I'm actually very curious where storms end termed is not the same as that island that that deniro's made her that's like dragons. That's where they are. That's where they go later in this episode. I'm gonna make everyone raising right now. I'm looking at a map everyone's where we're going to get to the bottom of it. Oh, see. Okay. So storms end is like down there. Never mind. I'm okay. I'm glad that up for everyone trip. Really? Dragon stone island, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Said I write them. I didn't hear you. 'cause I was rambling. I'm so proud. I knew that. Thank you very much. Do not take credit away from me. Injuries. Like, I'm not allowed. I can't even use a full. Let's get married. I'm like is that supposed to be a proposal like so what you're going with their hands? And I'm supposed to have your babies Burlington. She's like, you're wonderful. You were great lay your hot good at weapons, but I'm not going to be your wife. I'm not a lady okay now, and she goes shooting. Yeah. Exactly. She's like engage. You didn't know like rob your dad was actually a jerk. It's not such an honor to be like marriage. And so I'm I'm gonna go back to like changing people's faces around and fucking shit. Okay. Stay so Rianne is in her room, adding locks to fire, and this is such a porn scene. Jamie comes and he's like it's so hot in here. Oh, jeez. Take. Got it was like a porn scene and also at moments felt a little problematic. I felt like a little light hashtag metoo. Right. Like, he just walks in. And he starts taking off clothing. I'm like. No since accused hot because of the Kasese was up north. And he's like, whatever what I hate the fucking north eight grows on you is he still taking off his clothes now. I would love to fix your cable. Where's that is that I heard you had some leaky pipes in here. Those I also have this pizza here. That was the liberty you she's like, and she's like she doesn't help the situation either. She's like, well when you come to the north you have to keep a file on and put more wood on it. Oh, bad choice of words there. Yes. Because you now you're naked. Okay. Badger suppose. He's like say what about Tolman dot going to give him any G? Look, very sad when you left and she's like you sound quite jealous. I don't I it's getting Halton. Folio quilts. So then they getting so hot button gonna take my clothes of. But it's like ten layers of clothes. It's a lot. They really did prepare for the winter because it's like a Hanley, and there's a thermal just a law said she starts taking off his shirt. And then he starts with hers. Sick. What are you doing? He's like I'm trying to take off your search like God, man. Still don't know how to work bras. Let me just. Like fucking thing. So she just gets hand go. And then they they do it. They bone congrats. Yeah. Listen, it wasn't what I was expecting. But I was happy that it happened because brands my favorite, and I'm happy that she finds happiness, and you know, like Brienne deserves to have some fun times in bed and more power to. I'm very happy. Yeah. So then I'll on literally this so Johnson the crypts now and he's doing thinking face where cri- face, but he's literally rubbing his temples. Like, I'm thinking deeply in this. What is this? I'm like everyone's got him front except for you. John. Everyone's having fun. But you. So Danny comes down, and she's like, oh you drunk, and he's like, no, I was just rubbing my temple to indicate that I'm thinking. Still trying to work on his math problem that someone told me a dinner. I'd something about the train is going west it forty five miles per hour on another twins going east and going past Syracuse. I don't even know what these words even means. I have you ever heard that a human brain weighs eight pounds. Ron keeps telling me about these concepts that just drive me nuts. Something about Amazon dot com is that. So he's like sorry or a died. You know, I know he wanted to die protecting you so score for him. And she's like he loved me. And I couldn't love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you. Is Ryan make out and stuff. And he's like when you said the way you love me. You mean, the love and aunt has for her nephew, right? Boehner killer, John so she starts ripping off her clothes, and he just like gets stressed out. He's I can't have things to talk about. She's like this is what I get for being with a sensitive person. You know, it's like go talk about your feelings. I about that the sensitive persons last year nephew. Yes. Exactly. So so she's so she's basically all sad because just like. Trying to forget everyone looked at you would love. But they don't look at me the same up here down there. Do not up here. Okay. Deniro's over. You're just you're you're not at home. Like, it's a simple as that. Don't let just don't take it. So personally, so John does that humble thing. He does humble. Brag thing is finger desert quit. Yes. It's thrown his mind. But I don't want to throw. No, I couldn't it doesn't matter. What you want to? Okay. Everybody loves you. And if they're telling you, you're going to be the Queen. They're not gonna pay attention to me. Do you understand what I'm saying? He's like no hold on my finger and on my forehead a little bit. Okay. Now. I can this is my literal thinking cab right now than there is no I'm going to tell everybody that I'm their king. I would rather you do it somebody that they don't know. She's like don't say anything like if you want. If you wanna peace at this effort, get you won't tell anybody information that you have that. I'm still not sure I should be believing just taking your word for it. But whatever do not tell anybody. But I wanted again inch thick if you do you will. And then he's like I have to tell sons Naria, and she's like she wants me gone and you on the iron throne. He's like, no, she doesn't. That's like have you even met Asana star. She's wanted power since the very first episode. Okay. Remember when she had heart center eyeballs when she saw king Joffrey. Okay. She to nurses. Right. Well, he's like it's not that. She doesn't like you just that you asked for her to go back to the grocery store for your view troops after she'd already bay. She's like. Dammit. She's like do tell hurries promise, pinky swear. Yeah. So yeah. So basically, he's like you my Queen nothing will change that. And they'll my family we can live together. She's like we can. And I've just told you how with secrets like wasps. Have you ever seen ordinary people? Okay. And then she leaves with robot face and Jamie is just staring at Brienne sleeping, which is never a good side. No, that's the same until the guilty or gret. Well, they were probably like why does this I smell like aria? But that's the same book that aria was giving. Well, I guess she was looking away from injury after they boned, you know, the ones. Leaping is always the one get screwed over on the one thing. Always like, I'm so fucking my sister after this. Got to keep it in the family. So so now, it's like the next day and grey worm, and John and a few others are like in the war the winter fell war room. And so we've learned that like half the army has gone after men are gone, which is actually like pretty good. I thought we were down to like a solid like one sixteenth of the army was left. So the fact that they only lost half impressive. Raqi? That's mice. Yeah. That was actually really nice to hear we thought that to throw were added to. So they're playing with little monopoly pieces damning as the little doll, which I've never figured. I'd never thought she was like a little dog person. And she made. She would be like goes. But she hanging out goes the dire wolf or you mean, like Herman up leap piece. Sorry took me a while. Pick up a little sue. So she's on top hat. They're like, okay. So the golden we're basically. He has everybody, and we have a bunch of people that we just weren't. So I'm not sure what we're gonna do and Misawa's like when the people find out what we've done are they going to find out you're gonna get some ads out on Facebook. Social media marketing do Twitter campaign Massanga Masan day. I can never days. Well, grey worm says it Masan day, but in the writers on the after the thrones say missing miss missing Masan talking about those after. Second. Can we talk about after the thrones for second? So I watch it. I try to watch. I didn't watch it tonight. Actually because I I wanted to buy the food before we came on. But I think it's so funny because one of them is really happy. And he's like we had a great time changes episode. And the other one's there with his arms crossed just staring down at the floor going. It was really important for us to make sure that grey worm had a moment we really needed to stop us out for the cheer up, sir. The biggest show in the world. He's really smart and talented, but he can't look people in the eye. He's one of those. Or? I think he's married to what's her face. You know, she was in that she was in that movie. She the daughter of why do you do? I'm not even answering this because I write down to smart, and they may like that MandA Pete. I did it myself. That's him. No, the guy who won't look you in the eye. That's my him. He's I think he's married to Amanda peop-. My God, I'm going to look up Amanda Peet 'cause I used to wait on him. Then at Moroccan restaurant. God that's him. I didn't even recognize him. I think so I don't want to send people down the wrong path. What do I care the waiter? Like, what is the waiter thing about this relationship? People gladdock tuned into this podcast. Okay. Ronnie served. Amanda, Pete's and you know, what she ate rhymed. She used to really like golden beats. I used to say, Amanda Peet. Let's go. Beats. We're gonna work that into the show. They're gonna work that David Benny off. It's going to work golden beaches like Davy, my only request is can you please put some Goldman show. It'll be like like when Carol Burnett tugs or ear. It'll be you talking mum. Oh, you're stupid. So anyway, back to the show. So they're playing, you know, they're playing monopoly and Masan days. I know they'll be totally cool with us. And she's like, no Sissay will make them not believe as we will rip out root and stem and interiors like working to get her out without destroying everyone in that city or Murat guys because like once we invade there's this really cool apartment that I've had my on. So we like not destroy the please, thanks. I've been all over this all over this world. And I have not found a courthouse. Like, I have not one so please don't destroy destroy everything. But the workhouse great. Yeah. So so John's based like, hey, why don't we like, let's just do a siege. So they're going to do a siege. The siege will make the people realize that servcies the real enemy yada, yada, yada. But in the big issue, the big bone of contention is that? Santus great love the idea. I'm so we're going to do that. So let's see that in like a month and a half or so, well, it's everyone rest and recuperate engineers is like with how long do you suggests bitch point. And she's like, well, I would have to ask the individual army people, and she's like I come dole to five for you. And now the time to reciprocate you just want to take a nap and sunsets like young people are tired. So you want to throw them into award. They're not gonna win and along Riley, my enemies, stronger, they grow now, it will take nineteen thousand hours too much. Seven hours make a huge difference. Let's get all the rose. Yes. She's like also you landed on boardwalk, and I have a hotel there so pay up in. Hey and John's like listen when the little dog says it's time to kill the little do we will obey you on my Queen Queen dog and then go directly to king's landing. Do not Pasco do not collect two hundred dollars. And so the sisters are all Pissy, and then, you know, basically, Don takes societies the northern forces one of the promises yada, yada. And then he is casually mentioned that Jamie. It's going to stay in winter fell as guest everyone's like. So then Dinara we have one the great wall. And now we will win the last war, and then the seven kingdoms men will live at war and cruelty with a rightful king after she earns tens of thousands of. Just like this bitch this bitch. So that Arias like John we need a word. And then like the camera focuses on brand just sitting there like shut up brand just staring at John does all this time. I know it's the guy in the family meeting without opinions on anything until the very last second. It's like, okay. Who's gonna clean the counters after dinner? I don't want. I don't want you. Then everyone takes job and brand the very end. It's like, I showed clean the counters damn. Brought like he's like brought like some weird artisanal whiskey that like we're supposed to be impressed with like brand. Like, I would actually be more impressed. If you help us clean up. Okay. He's like no drinking as part two mirth as part of the celebration as part of the cleanup process. No brand. He's trying to pass this flavor like fruit. Loops God him stern seriously. He's just rediscovered American cheese and ironic way. The fact that it tastes like plastic is kind of the point don't you think? So it's a family time for a family meeting outside by the tree. And so basically, John like, no, we should go. We should do deniro says hold up our end of the bargain because if it weren't for her we'd be dead and sounds like but aria killed them making a low schwa- sporran, and our it's like, yeah, I respect that. And so I'm like what the fuck aria? She gets we needed to me dragons, you did the right thing. And we're doing the right thing by telling you we don't trust that bitch. And he's like, you don't even know where it's like, you don't know where she's not one of us. She's like we family if you only trust people you grew up with who never have in the allies. And then of course, I don't eat fucking allies. Have you seen me shoot? Okay. We are the last of the stocks before of us family, genetically blood. He's like okay God. I'm gonna put on my cry basement. Hold on let me marinate some crime face. Hold on. Hold on. Well, you do that John. I'm just going to remind you that we are linked by the blood genetics DNA of our shared father, which we most certainly share. Dammit, I must tell you and kiss. But just a reminder while getting cry face ready. You are as much net stocks child as any of us genetically because of blood, and like my brother, not that bastard, brother or half brother or some brother with that my blood or some other problem. Mind from some other crazy race like tug Arians, which are long gone except for who. Obviously, you cannot be related to you because you're sleeping with the stark John's John's cry faces like totally scrunchy full scrunchy mode and brands like reas rolling its eyes, and then brand or enough last-second brand over there. He's like it choice and the sisters ran like this one. Yeah. This one's John's. Like all right after tell you something, but you have to swear not to tell another sole like, okay? His like brand you do it. Between Brandon John, you know, what like some of the really get under my skin. This makes me want the women in charge so bad. I wish I could turn back time. And like, you know, vote for Hillary again. Brand's making them all swear to something. I wanted I wanted to tell you something, but you have to swear not to tell anyone you have to sweat. But we don't even know what it is. Like god. He's like, okay. Okay. John's Johns tell them brands like that human brain not that. Tell them the truth braniac reef reformatting, and then we cut to Terry and Jamie because he's going to be staying with brand supposedly and Jamie. I'm staying because she swan to protect the stocks. So go ahead say something snide and tearing SICOM happy, you'll happy, and I'm happy that you finally have to climb for it. You know, how long I've been waiting to tell toll person joke also climbing joke to someone who killed someone that was climbing to see how come circle. Now, if I can only work in hand joke and also so so they're just hanging out and then Bron walks in with the crossbow and he's like he's like Hello. And they're all sort of like like Brown what's going on? But we do you have that murderous weapon that King Jaafar used to kill a prostitute. What's going on? -tarian used to kill his daddy. Yeah. What's going on? This is this doesn't feel as friendly as it would appear normally and Bronte classes every like I knew you were fucking. And then question, isn't what are you doing here? He goes push your drink and what he's doing here. Yeah. So they're talking basically Braun is like basely promised me river on if I kill you guys. But you know, I don't think that she's really going to like, I don't think she's gonna come through the he has beat her. And tearing keeps trying to like interrupt ask questions Brown just like punches him in the face. I've ever had dwarf speak again in belt year. He's bought bloom. Basically, he's like, look I'm going to kill you. Because she's giving me river. And he's like, what's double that? You said you my reward. So what's double that? Tyrian offers him. Hi garden. Yeah. And where the Tyrrells were from if I remember and Jamie's like. No, yeah. Yeah. Jimmy had like a real like being his bonnet about this is like no, that's like high garden is like way too nice for him. I'm like, you're the one who destroyed garden basically, you went in there. And you your army and killed beautiful. Diana, Rigg healed herself. Really? But either way. Yeah, he's like I don't get to talk for high garden. Yeah. He's there will never be a cutthroat in charge of high garden, and he's like, oh, please. How the hell did your family start K, some stolen K your that? Your your great grandfather stole it. And then they gave it to you idiots, and you ruined everything which is just it was a beautiful speech. Really? He says in delicate way, but it was it was. Beautiful. It was I sense. The tears rolling down your cheek like it is so true the origins of all these houses. So then we see the hound on a horse like a a lovely horse with very like foof ankles. And so he's on this horse and like aria pulls up next to him because he's leaving winter fell Arias, and she's going and he's like, I got some unfinished business. I don't know. Why? Yes. To always be so cryptic about everything. You know, like just say like brother is basically what he's saying. He's just took the last chicken because he's eating chicken like right now, and well, I do too. He's like well great. If you're gonna kill me what if I get this time, you're going to help me probably not. After all I'm way too busy as I have just killed the night king. Yeah. It's funny. How they're both like competed. They're competing with each other to see who's the most dead inside. He's like, I must've been good to stick that home out. She's like, I guess it's better than dying. Okay. UT? We're going to be a real fun road trip together. Okay. Yeah. So he's like I don't plan on coming back that I which makes me sad. It makes me sad that Arias leaving winter fell and like never see her family again. I don't like that. I don't want to die. Yeah. To go way. Sees the last on their list, I know and then she'll probably go back to the house of the whatever's. And then. Do you like I'm just like driving all the game of thrones house of massive with the house of the whatevers? That's our house faces. That's our house if we work weans. House of. Okay. Bring me your problems. What's your problem? A drug my goat. Whatever next. Are just be a Jeep that totally pas at the stop sign. Ours. Will just be like the whatever side where you put your thumbs together and branch set your ears. Whatever. We harsh Tyrrell get it get it. Anyway. So now Danny's watching the dragons are she's with dragons and one off and then she boards the other one and then Santa's damn the ground just watching them fly around like I'm taking that bitch out. Okay. These boards the other one like an airplane. Checker overhead baggage and put up put up she put her in correct position. Sorry, ma'am. But you didn't call twenty four hours before. So you're in groups e you're gonna have to wait another fifteen minutes. She's like about to take opposite. Oh, shoot. Hold on. I've got to put my gotta put my my sword in airplane. One second Syrian comes out to talk to Sansa and he's like my lady, ignore face, ignore things. Like, my Lord the standard response. Why this bitch? He's like listen. I know that she loves your brother that doesn't mean. She's going to be a good Queen. Are you fucking kidding me? She was curling her hair during a battle. She's super crabby right now. She's like not in the mood. Frontiersmen non dragons over winter fell because you know, that those dragons by the way, you know, they're not potty trained when they take shit. They take shit lands right on top of the castle. Salsa so mad, so she's got Quyen Tyrians. Like, you seem determined not to like, you should get to know her better. She has great stories like the time. She was slaved. And then started everyone on fire. All the time that dragons were kidnapped and she started everyone on fire all the time. The time that invited Mercedes Ruehl into a house and she killed her husband. That was a good one. Yeah. Started after on fire after that. And started everyone have I told you about one was she smothered her own husband to that. Was that was funny. Oh, wait on fire after that to do member when she invited everyone to a spectacular day of games at the arena. And then turns out that everyone got killed. So then dragging out to come in. Like things. Thanks for proving my point. Okay. He's like just don't provoker. And she's like, why are you afraid of are you a scanty pants, and he's like every good ruler has to inspire fear. She's like, yeah. Look men in my family. Don't do well in the capital. Some a little worried. So he's like, how's your brother wants told you that? He's not a stark. She's like, oh my God. He made me swear to secrecy. And you know bullshit, and he's like people love her. You'll you seen how they fight for her. She just wants to make the world better place. I believe in her. Okay. You're not going to speak to me giving drunk? So he starts walking off. And then she called on SARS totally kept that for at least twenty minutes. Okay. She's busy like what if this someone else someone better? And which made me wonder who is she talking about herself. No, she's talking about John. She tells him information, I thought she meant like someone else beside John and. I'm sick of discussing this. What there's a third option. Yeah. She's like what if I could find someone who's really good at typing. But you think she's talking about John? Because then later that's how he has the information that he tells basically various who's like telling the entire goddamn world. You know, it's calling great our mind. How how did I totally missing? All this. I entered it as that that that. I okay. Well, it just because later he tells Varis so that's only known right? I just. Yeah. I don't know. I I was I was just along for I didn't really change anything. But I clearly just miss. I like every week. There's some key thing that I just totally mess up. And I lose all my credibility as a game of thrones podcast. God we have so much to begin. I know at this point zero, you know, the best way to play poker when you're just you're done. And then you kick off the poker table, and you have to play with banana grams with all the other losers to Kim stable. It's more fun. So now torment has decided he's gonna take the free folk home back north, especially because the women don't seem to like him very much here. Talking about Bryanne Brienne, so perfectly winch. I don't know what he's complaining about. Any sensitive for all his bluster is a very sensitive person almost like annoyingly sensitive. It's like, okay, you're jinking. Tell the story about how you crawled into bed with that giant again. And she nursed you for eight weeks. Got it got it. So so he hasn't yet. She has a really lovely scene with John and they're like joking. He's like he's like, you know, that you know, that we're the north and that you keep calling the south, but we're actually the north. He's like June. Where the south happy will banter about that. And then ultimately John John's like, oh, you should you should take ghosts because he'll be happier up there. And I was like, I think seems pretty happy here. I was unhappy. He he would have gone up. Why wouldn't keep him at winter fell didn't liked it? He's just like my dog. It's like such real housewives storyline. Just take the dog. I don't want it anymore. I mean, it's happened on two housewives which I'm not bringing into this. I'm just saying I've never seen that on anything like game of thrones. And made me sad. And then goes to standing there bloody with one ear. He's like missing not ready to leave. Yeah. To this fucking crazy person has beard, smells, you finally took back winter fell. We finally have peace here. And now you're gonna shit me off up to the north. I came down here from the north. I don't wanna know. I don't wanna go. Yeah. This was the most getting thing to me. I didn't like it. Well, I was really upset because clearly someone at HBO was like, you know, what we are cutting your CG high budget. So no more no more ghost. We were many more or pay for the pay the humane society to like, you know, to stand there while we film this wolf on green. Like, we've run some focus groups, and it turns out people really don't like one of your dogs. Sorry hard. So. It turns out a lot of reviewers are cat people. So we're gonna like goes. So that made me really sad. I didn't like it. And it also made me like, John what is drunk and die. Because that's that's something you know, that he's giving away his dog. I was like he's going to die. It was a lot of finality in this. I didn't understand that. Because at the whole idea was that they were they were very confident like if there were going to go in and win they made it all seem like they're were never gonna see him again. Because then then he likes these salmon Gilly, and they're like, they have a whole emotional goodbye moment, and like salmon Gilly hug, and then he's like, she's does that thing she glances down at her stomach, and he's like that felt we were gonna hug you. And she's like, basically, she's pregnant again, you know, he's like, yeah. Bra to Sam and sounds like that wasn't much to so many books to read. So and she was like, I think he has happened. Them. You don't have to be a miser to understand the human body because John if it's a boy I wanted him John was like, wow. You know, that's bastards me. That's like that. That was John's bastard bay everyone's being John McKay. She's like if we have a boy, I'm going to name him, smitty. It's like, okay, Gilly Johns. I hope it's a girl. It's a good answer. Then they all have crime staff ends SAM's, like the best friend. I've had which was so sad because I love Sam. But also like what an easy it's when he moved off to the citadel. Also, why are these people pretending there's mouth another war to fight the whole armies dead gay got like very few people. And everyone's like, okay, we did our part exhausted. All right. So we're gonna go chill when our castle since my whole family's dead now. And the other guy's going to go back to his tent with your dog. Okay. Bye. John leaves? And they all stand in the winter fell doorway looking at him. And even even goes comes out and said, well, I don't like that. So then we see the fleet on the water heading towards because a lot Jonah's on foot with part of the army, and then part of their all split up. So the. Yeah. The fleet is coming towards king's landing and Masan day in gray on the they're holding hands. And I was like okay now grey worm is really gonna die because now they're smiling. They're holding hands. And in my mind, I was going to happen. Was that like something out of nowhere was hit grey worm in the face like an arrow, which is funny because that's something that happens sort of like in a few minutes. Well, he's looking out like, look, we're almost at Santa resort. They said, oh, you need to bring your love of everything uniform out every law almost. And you know. Yeah, we know that it's not gonna go. Well, so tearing various in the whole the the bottom the behemoth to keep the whole whatever they're they're just like chilling there sweeter, clamming gossiping usual there. Waiting for the APM best Broadway musical revue happen. Gossiping weans Syrian has told various all the dirt. He got think of the past twenty years, the war the misery all because brand Theun love someone that didn't love him back, Michael lent that just the nature of the world girl. Read a book go to a movie, it's always that. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Well, it's like it comes right back around to Moore's like in love with or your daddy was Meteo, which those are the two trips in life ended fiction. It's it's. Talking. How many people are now including us eight. He's like, then it's no longer. Secret now information scheming scheme skiing. Delicious little ski his little little birds you'll release little birds into the world. So there's talking about like, you know, who should like like who should have the throne. Whatever Varis various, very pro John. He's he's like people are drawn to him Wild Wings like him north men like him. And apparently, that's all that matters. But the wall. He's like really becomes like he's like super John Tyrian. Meanwhile, I liked Tyrians Ida. He's we just marry them. And they could rule together. Like why not he's like he's like bitch. She's and that can't. Only the only character who cares as much as you. It's various. Yeah. I'm like I'm like the rest of the cast. Enough. You fucking cares. I mean, really in the scheme of things on this show. That's not so bad. And you know, what she she can't have a baby. Anyway. Right. So I mean, you know, so like enjoy true. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's one of the top fears about in. He's going to get pregnant though, I think this is all the all the all one is that you have a baby with that crazy Mercedes Ruehl witch. Okay. And like it hasn't really been tested. Yeah. I think she can have a baby. So don't trust. Look always get a second opinion saying, especially when it somewhat she wants you that. Yeah. So yeah. So they're talking about it and Tyrian is like why can't they work together? And he's like, well, it never stopped to talk aerienne before incest and various. Yeah. But he's from the north they okay with infest. Okay. Listen, there's a reason there's cracker barrels only open the certain towns. Okay. You gotta read the room. You gotta know what your PIN good with their people of the north are like. Not into the incest situation. Okay. Even though they're probably a little bit more incest up north, and they want to admit, okay? Let's be honest. So the mex- the inkers dropping and dragons are flying around, and we're waiting very do and then shot dragon shot. Yeah. Like 'cause I totally forgotten that that Serfaty that Khyber n- had had made this crazy dragon killing sort of speier shooting device and low and behold it like pierces the poor heart, and then the next one gets his wing, and then the next goes right through his throat like one two three that was a graphic dead dragon scene with the scorpion dead by the scorpion. Which is now bigger and improved bigger and better than ever. So. Yeah, that was sad. And then another one MRs Dami because you're down there with his damn yellow teeth. Like. He is like the picture of toxic masculinity. Like, he's just the worst in a way. That's like I I feel like it's like unearned worst nece. It's like you. I've said this before he just like Rives out of nowhere. And now, he's just like awful everyone. And it's like, you know, some of us have been here. Like some of these characters have been here for years and using to show up and be like this. I don't want to start a sexual harassment video HR, you know. He's just terrible. He comes and takes credit for everybody's works laps. Everybody on the ass. He's always smiling with his big yellow coffee teeth. Yeah. So then he focus because now they've got tons of scorpions like all the boats armed with scorpions now, and Danny is about to go after them with rage. But she ends up flying off because Hilaire now there's tons of bolts flying are. Right. Exactly. So she she's she's way somehow miraculously voids getting hit by any of those those bolt spear whatever's and then then when he does not once she's gone. They re aim those crazy things and target the ships, and they start polarizing the winter fell boats. Yeah. And then next thing we see they're all climbing out of the water onshore and Tyrian embarrass are coming out of the water and just start screaming Misawa Mussa. Yeah. So so that we also get this really sort of Leary shot like on this beach, just like hacking up belong. Crawfish went down the wrong. I get it. Because I went on a cruise with my parents and my missus. Hey, why don't we just go swimming CV's stingrays won't hurt? And I was like, okay. And then I was like I'm drowning. Kabri and they're like you can stand still hard. Really? So when Farris this season. Yeah, I don't even know what they wound up on. But they were they were really struggling. So so now we get like now we have. And and I think this is our first time seeing seeing a few episodes. I had really missed her. And I felt like just her being onscreen electrified the whole show. I was like oh my God. I came alive. Yeah. And she's like sitting there in her red velvet and mash, she's got these golden me pad things are shoulder pads. Yeah. And she's like, yes, I've invented new shoulder pads. Welcome back to the castle people and Khyber Joe people have heard us operas coming that grateful for your protection within the walls that shady bitch is letting bunch of innocent women and children in the front lines. Is so users -i? Yeah. And then on top of that you're on comes in. And then she tells your own McComb urine. Okay. Not your on because he is urine to me. But she tells them that. Like the child that she is carrying she has a child with Jamie, and she's been telling your on that it's his his his child. So she's basically like doing the whole breath, Ian thing all over again, which is classics. Yeah. Yeah. If broke so she's about the dragon. He's like I saw myself like how about a tic TAC. Thanks, but it must have been chlorine to see that dragon sink. That's my Nepean shoulder. Pat. Do it. Right. So then on top of that like her big plan is that she wants to open up the gates of Casler of king's landing wide open. So that way John's army is forced to kill innocent people if they all she's bringing all the women. She's Ray all the poor people in their bring them in. But then on top of that. She's also giving the army easy access to them to which is which. Like like perfectly devious, which is why I love her. She's doing some cool shit. Not that it doesn't people are dying. But she's like, you know. Should not moping around while. Everyone's like crying winter fell. She's like, all right. I'm going with the scheme, and she's like. Congrats on the dragon, mice work, and he's like Gloria as yours my Queen yellow teeth, and she's like when the wars one that lion show. Ruland the crackle rule. The and our child show rule the north and he's like. Yeah. Wait till it turns out to be all blonde. And then she and she's like some much for the breaker of chains. And then we we see that she has Masan day. Enchaine shackles does on the dont on Don here. All the time. I thought grey worm was like gonna die and now Masan day. Yup. So Danny's in the monopoly ram. And now, they're now they're on dragons mother drank stone, which is probably the beach. They washed up on I'm assuming and grey worms. Like, we don't the city your grace who will kill your enemies four of them because not great worm has morning face. So everything's yeah. Yeah. When he gets when he gets he gets a look on his face, like, he's like, keep just jazz pants, but doesn't know of anyone can tell you. Yeah. And one of the lions tipped over now, which is so sad because I was dragging and various race. I promise you. I would look in the IM speak directly. If I ever thought you were making mistake. This is a mistake. And she's like, no so much time phone from the sky. Like, you know, they're really not Joe children. So it's really weird that you keep on saying that I'm not saying you need to go to lunch with the lady. Okay. I'm just saying maybe killing tens of thousands of people isn't the best react, sir. Okay. You're supposed to be the ice web. And she's like, I am here to free the world tyrants? That is my destiny, and I will serve it. No matter the cost. I'm like, you're speaking like literal tyrant right now. And so like, well, it's going to take forever for all of our allies to get here. So why don't we in the meantime, demand surrender and offer live in exchange for the throne? You know, we should try to avoid slaughter even though I know that's never gonna work. And she's like, I think it might make me look better. So the blame soci- for getting slotted instead of me as a coup. Okay. They can really change your mind quickly on this show. Danny for the win. Danny four. Now, I'm just like, I don't know really want to win because I don't think I'm I don't really feel like I want to narrow to win anymore, sir. Sea of love to win. But I feel like it's not right for her to win and John feels like he should be the winner. But I feel like that's too easy. And like, I don't know. I I I like there's gotta be like I want to win at this point. I think Varis has worked really hard, and he should get it Varis. Oh, halo. Well, he wants it working himself. He's such a little manipulator. I think that aria should get it. Well, I mean, then is are you going to get to kill, sir? See too because that's a lot of kills of course, if she got that many she should win. And it has to be a girl to me because I don't want them to do all this girl power. And then had it to a man, right? That's why that's why it doesn't feel so exciting to give it to John right expense. Got killed. Okay. This is his second life used to die. I think John will die. Yeah. I like, John. This is second chance at life. He can go. Now, you know, I really don't know who's going to. I don't know who's going to get. I don't I don't I do not think that is gonna kill seriously. I think Ari is probably going to like work with the hound to kill the mountain or something, you know. I think that aria is going to get Jamie's face and try to kill, sir. See, but the search is going to kill her and the real Jamie's going to be behind them in the real Jamie's going to kill, sir. Yeah. Probably something like that. Which will be fun. It'll be fun moment of like mistaken identities, etc. And walking. Well, I don't want her to die, but she's such bench. Say that you're the set. You're the one who said that she Jamie, don't be mad at yourself anyways. So now is an and Tyrian have a whole conversation like in the throne room of of dragon stone, and you know, various really not so happy to narrow sort of really leaning towards team Jon at this point. We'll yeah. Because she's acting like cry. So Verizon Terry talking the throne room and various like I've sort of times almost my whole life. They all talk about destiny, which is so true. But guess who else always talks about destiny people who don't win American idol? Like all the people with terrible voices are always like, it's my destiny to be Sar. And then they finally sing. And the judges are like, oh my God kill me. Now. Like, I can't that's like my favorite like when when people get eliminated on reality shows, and they're like, they're limited like number ten out of twelve. And like it's fine because he just wanted to show my kids never. Forgive up never give up because you can achieve your dreams. I'm like you've got a limited ten as well. What are you talking about? Oh, we everyone on this show talks about destiny every single person does. Yeah. Especially brand after yoga camp. So mouse, they're big conversation and Tyrians like, well, she's a girl who walked into a fire with three stoves walked out with three dragons. So of course, she believes investing. And he's like maybe that soprano bloom she's been convinced to whole life that she's been sent here to save a soul entering like. Well, how do you know, she wasn't you know, and then they start talking about John snow and Tyrian tries to convince him again that maybe it's better they tried to rule together. Yeah. It's about like John's qualify because he's a man. And that's what barrow saying interns, like, well Joffe was a man, and I don't think our caucus true qualification as I'm sure you agree. It was like really that's a that's a low blow pun intended. And he's like well, actually. Yeah. I can rule because you you're the throne. So you have to have kids. So I guess a cop would matter. And basically, it seems like various like, no, I don't believe in the screen anymore. Fucker? I'm going to find a way to fuck her over entering please stout to this and he's like with the kingdom is more important than you just pick aside for once in your life. He's like a side of the people with no voice. Yeah. He has a whole like like Oscar speeches like what about loyalty to the millions of people? These people deserve to live the wrong near will kill them. They deserve to live. They deserve to have food on their plates. I made my choice, and hopefully we'll make the correct choice to something like that. So I hope to your and keeps his mouth shut and doesn't get various killed. I would be very upset. I think gets killed. I will not be happy. I will not be a happy person. He needs to make it all the way to the end. I want to be standing at the end with the new king or Queen coal, right? Let's get to fuck you over in the future. Yeah. So meanwhile, back over at winter fell Jamie is like walking around his bangs like all all bang, and he sees Brian and Santa across the way winter fell. So he goes up to them. And he learns that he learns about everything that you're on great joy did. But the dragons, and the all the all this all the shit that went down and saunas like I always wanted to be there when the execute your sister seems like about get the chance she's just like a bundle of joy at all all the time. And then he gets cry face. So then later ran a sleeping of those first and stuff and we see him on watcher. And you know, the person who's watching the other person's leap it's about to break up with them. So he's like by the door close and she comes out in her robe like, oh, my God, you're going back to your fucking sister. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Please, please. He's like you think I'm a good, man. I pushed a boy out Attala window crippled him for life for say. I strangled my cousin. Did you go away? No. I was just saying as brianna. I live with. I thought you said I thought you said Ben I was like oh today scare you just listening to your list is I could deal with that. Okay. So you push editor known crippled him for life. Okay. Okay. I can deal with I strangled. My husband with my own hands. Just to get back to. That's okay. I could deal with that. I would've moated every man woman child and river. Nice. But I got it. You know, it's love I'm looking for a man who can commit I bought three VHS copies of Geely. That's get out get out of get out. He's like shakes. And so am I and then he kinda cries, but he's like by batch, and she's just sobbing and begging him to stay. And I was like what a pig gbi. You know, I mean, Jamie always been a bad guy. But then he's a good guy. And you're like, okay. And then he's really bad. But I'm a good guy. And I fall for it every time. This was also like like seven seasons worth of cry face, finally, breaking brand seasons being not gonna cry gonna cry. I'll get glassy eyes, but I will not cry. But this time she saw it like she could not hold it back any longer emotions are coming out of her left. And right. I was heartbreaking. But that said, I don't wanna see Jamie just sitting around a winter felon. Wait, that's crazy. Like, we need happen. I also don't want to see her go back to him, by the way like. Like, no like he walked out. He lost his chance. You don't do that to my brand. No now that she's a little more comfortable probably end up being in torment. There'll be some he'll be back. She's going to have a lot of fun. I'm telling you padraic Padre has a reputation in a good way. And I think brand serves to see what's up now. So next up is various grey, worm Danny Tyrian, and they're just standing there from the unsullied squad that they've brought to talk to surf daddy and tiny little group. Yes. This tiny little squad. It's like the fly girls. This tiny little dance core. It's like the next season of world. Dance has arrived. So you can invade. Yeah. To fly girls against Iraq cats. It's like the the west arose troop for guys and dolls rive. So starchy is sitting on top of the castle staring down at them. Hang and she's got tons of soldiers. Aiming and ready to go. And she's got missing Masan day after oh my God this candidate. Well, yeah, we already know like Massawa is not really a big enough character to really be saved in this sort of situation. She too has survived way longer. But I never really thought of hers being in danger because she just like always around. I thought I never really thought of her being in danger. But now that she is like, okay, this is not going to end. Well, so so burned comes out of the gates of the city, and like walks up to Torri in and great room has like his his lips are doing a full like yin and Yang there curled around like harm or so angry, you know, so so Tyrian and Khyber like walk up to each other and turns like Queen narrows demands that soci- surrender and give back Masan day. And then Coburn's like Queen sec- Queen c actual queens ac- demands that Dinara surrender or else we will kill Masan day. And then teary. Cure rational, man, dense off. He's like a rational man, he's like so flatter. My. Come on. Let's just try and talk this out. And we went ought to be the wildest as your pain. The mother of not dragons. During like, I don't wanna see the city burn or hear the scream of the children burning Guibert, and Gus it's not to sound like dang. I like it quite a bit. So then Tyrians walks by he walks right up to the gates, and he looks up at his sister. And he's looking all like the way they shoot it is that he's looking as like immunity as possible just like on this. She's up there big and powerful, and he's just like down there. And she later. And she later. So all the draw. Locked and then she just looks at him. And you know, she's wanted to kill him so many times and just can never do it for whatever reason. Yeah. And he does a whole like thing to get through to her. He has an vans ant moment. And he's like he's like, I know this. I know I know that you're not a monster. I know this because I've seen it you've always love your children more than yourself more than Jamie more than anything. I beg you. If not for yourself than for your child. If you rain is over it doesn't mean your life has to add doesn't mean you're baby which you do have in. There has to die. I'm which is kind of like giving it away to everybody. He's like just Nassar baby, Terry. He's like, I know you're going to beat us. But guess what? I got the baby announcement is actually really good plan because the army drops all their bows. Marrow's starts passing rent cake. It's like excuse at the office. It's like the bosses pregnant. We'll have more later come on. I thought it was when grey worm then like a little cannon and blue confetti came out. Gender reveal too. And we believe tend to reveal his. Kaban kill them. And so asserts just looks down at him. And she goes over she gets kind of cry face while he's talking like he gets through to her a little bit. But then she does that sir c thing where she's like that good things down going to kill everyone. I see and says she goes and puts her hand on Masan day. And she's like any last words batch. Masan poor Masan day, pork, Ray, worm. She just looks over grey worm to narrow and she smiles like at first I was like, oh, she knows something that comes saver dragons and come from behind or whatever. But it was more like she smiles with pride and her last vision of seeing any people and she car S, and then biz lamb bay the mountain decapitate terror greater message turn away. My sweet gray were I wanted to hug him Yemen. Danny just marches off like deuce bitch going to pay Mant. Danny lost a lot this episode. Dan, is feeling shoe? She was probably feeling real cool because you know, she really did not do enough in the battle last week. But she probably thought she did. So she was really like I can handle this shit. And now she's like fuck, I don't think I can she's gonna kill kill. So that brings us to the this is a pretty epic. Episode. Goodness gracious. Yeah. Pretty epic game of thrones episode pretty epic recap. Thank you guys all for listening. Don't forget to subscribe on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. And leave a review helps us climb up the charts and gained more exposure and grow our show. So we will be back next week. 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POG #8 VEGANUARY with Matthew Glover

Pioneers of Good

30:20 min | 4 years ago

POG #8 VEGANUARY with Matthew Glover

"In many ways to create mass change in the world. Matthew Glover co-founder began. Ry chose to empower us all with Adams match knowledge tools and support in order to transition into a lifestyle and diet. That is four. I health for the environments and also for the species surrounding us him and his wife. The other co-founder wanted to create a supportive and positive environment that overwhelmed us with support k. and also facts and advice and tips in how to better our lives while also supporting the environments and other species around us. In this very Frank interview, Matthew shares his background, what inspired him to create for Gandhari why he chose a not for profit model over and limited corporation as well as vision for the future. His marketing background is dead. Definitely come into play because he knows exactly it's market to how to use his knock tin costs and thanks to him knowing exactly how much it costs per person and who is deal customer. He's now able to expand the business and he's looking to grow it in over three different continents. So listen to how Matthew has created this movement of change. That's really boys passion to life, and he is a true pioneer of goods in every sense that route. Thank you so much for green for this interview for the podcast. Pioneers of goods. I usually talk to profitable businesses, but I'm really, really intrigued by be January because opiates charity. Something really close to my heart. And I'm asking questions about people who wanna do create some movements, ams, you Daphne succeeded in that. So an such a short space time as well, because I think he Celts will find today in two thousand fourteen. You won't inspired you to create this how you've created your life around it as well in what's coming up as well in the future for you. Yeah. So what what got you spot will? Let's start in two thousand fourteen. Why did you your co-funded? Why did you choose January? So I guess it's a long story today back to my child, but I guess if I rocked it up in a nutshell, my family on my mother's side were Butch is in meat traders. So I spent a bit of time in slow two houses in bookshops like when I was a child. So I always understood the me Tom on my plate was used to be a living breathing creature, which I don't think a lotta children these days really understand that. And yeah, I went to invite your -tarian during my adulthood, took me a while. Josie was still until I was twenty eight. And then when I was thirty-eight, what should video. Call the video of the Maton distri doesn't want you to say, and I thought, well, I'm a vegetarian. This is nothing short Mahia and I sell scenes of cruelty in the dairy industries which have never really thought about and. So I fell, you know, I really act. I can't eat those products anymore. I'll drink them. So I thought research day and I heard about this, Tim vegan Biden on the your, and, but I decided that I needed to be one that I never met one before to my knowledge and so that that was the staff of it becoming a vegan. This was around seven, six or seven years ago. And then I met my wife and the two of his wanted to do something really positive. So you know, we start researching different projects that we could do together. And yes, we, we looked at Movember. You know why people grow the mustache for the month of November reading succeeds. Unfortunately. So I did do honestly pretty vegan Dyson. Yeah, I started remembering joining being quite good and raise money for charity and everything. So they felt while what could we do for animals? This got that sighting saw of Bose, not fide. So we thought while going vegan for a month is the best staying in January is gonna be theoretically the by smoke because New Year's resolutions and people are interested in the health of the intimidated Christmas and everything else. So yeah, I just came this idea of vegan, January began Newry Santa Fe colony, but it sort of worked. So that's, that's it in a very show snippet of shell of how how we came to do any. Did you decide to pull in the business model to act for it to be a charity. Okay. So we started off originally with it as a limited company and. Mainly because of being businessmen all my life, and I'm so used to working within the sphere of running limited companies. But what we did was we said, sell the the actual association was set so that I couldn't of Jay could meditate profits out of the business and just, you know that that seemed like the right thing to do for the first year or two, but then we found the people onto to donate to charity. Messier UK registered charity. Don't take advantage of the tax benefits and also the gif day. So yes. So we apply to get UK charity status. And that was a couple of years ago when we've been charity ever since. So. I mean, it works for his with what we're doing is as a nonprofit to particularly financial reasons. Great. I mean, it's good that you started up as well for me to hear. It was a limited company, but you could also transferred by into charity, and it was from the demands that you did it. Yeah, no, exactly. Yes. So I mean, we, there are some charities that also have like a. Trading. So maybe why the sell, the merchandise in will help you through a limited company on then the received donations from the charity, but we still to just having the charity. Now as meeting seems seems more clean transparent while Edwin is what they getting with effort in the many. Yeah, exactly. So, well, I oversee, I know John Muir is but facility at the. He's never even heard of this, so might not even know what vegan is what? What are you actually offering to the to the world's to do in this January man? Yeah, so it works. He people to just give me to go. So the idea is, yeah, take the pledge to go Viga for the month of January. And then as a campaign, what we do is we provide as much support as we can do. So we when people sign up to get an Email every day for thirty one days, not spamming. People they can opt out at any point, but it's it's an opportunity for people to find out about. Recipes where to go tweet tau just general bits of inspiration information that they're gonna need. We also have a website which has got six. Over six hundred white recipes on Matt Scott eating out information. So you know, if you go to pizza express, you know, we tell you what you can eat there or if you go to an Indian restaurant, we tell you what you can eat there, and then we've got a vegan staff to Kate. So this things like nutrition information is information about how to league labels. You know this, this list of products that accidentally vegan. So for example, Oreos is an accidentally vegan products that we give. We give all that information. An Wilson get papers out of during the month to inflammation about why why? It's a good thing to do. You know, in terms of health benefits intensive, the environmental side of things also visit because the animal side of things, a lot of people take out for sort of ethical reasons. So we give people information about how animals attracted on on firearms in the UK on throughout world. I remember. I mean, I think we can full. Yes, that I did January couple of years ago. Site also ended. The information is great in at tree. It's very positive, very uplifting. I felt achy inspired, like I learned quite a bit as well. The I didn't know about might Leeson's, but then get some niche into that area, but opening up while I didn't realize the bowl too. That's being used, don't being saved by me, not meets it really sort of the great things that I was learning about this beacon. Trades. Yeah, no, we try trying to be a very positive campaign. So we. Which tied to baby non-judgmental with friendly with people as much as we can be an unsupportive supportive. So the if people, you know, it's not easy county once people are so used to eating innocent societies, very much, Spain, eating meat, dairy, neck products for a long long time now. So we understand that in people slip. Hope of finally, difficult way. We try not to be here. Judgmental. In any way case, it's giving people the support that they need and people fall over. Don't worry, we'll help them get back, open, carry on the, you know what? We don't want us to people to just find Angra vegans, you know, we have a Facebook group where we try moderate in such a way that it is just a really nice place people to come in to engage in that support that they need. Not the right way. I think about, you know, to to before I was vegan, I wouldn't have wanted people to be, you know, really awful to me. You know, you want people to help you on that journey. So. And people did comedy for various different reasons. We get people that come involved because they, you know, they're doing it for health reasons in the vegan, vegan diet is is great for them. But then you know, as the go through the Jin, they start finding out about how animals are treated on firearms and then you know that they find out about the Walters. You suggested the climate change is happening as a result of factory farming. And little people than start joining all adult. So. That's great. That's really good. I mean, it's interesting because you definitely got you're very, this is your passion. This is what you stand for, and it's what we all want to see in the world. I quit conscious thing being aware of the food chain and the the creating and using with power what they wanna put on their place, but about the business about how you set it up. I'm sure it hasn't been all plain sailing that you just click fingers in. Everyone tunes vegan for the month will challenges to face the beginning. ROY. So we say up just myself and my wife just, you know, at home kitchen table and to get it going, you know, we, we had no money. We have no money coming in. So we funded the all ourselves. So I'll several met exhibition company. So the prophets that often the profits that could be making from the exhibition company was what really got there yet. Charity going in the first place for the first two years. Think we invested over two hundred thousand pounds into, you know, building the Brown, creating the website, doing the PI advertising, taking staff on all of that type of stuff. But once it got established, then able to people started becoming more supportive. You know, because we were starting to get records that we will donations were coming in. We managed to get some sponsors, you know that want to dead Browns to associate with again, you worry. Yes. Over the last maybe two years, the charities become mostly self, sufficient sustainability. So wrong with income coming in from from the people. So I would say the financial side of things is being the guests that the greatest challenge. It was one of those way. When we stacked, we had no idea what it was going to go. And he just saw volved organically unto carried on growing. And he's one of those things wise. He's it's gains momentum that it's very difficult to stop. Then I think it still really superb idea. We've been reflect the blinking signs that we itself thirsty. We have three thousand three hundred people that took Pap, which. You know I wanted to get with house in jail with light. Really happy if we'd get maybe a hundred people doing it. So to get three thousand three hundred was real success. And then the next year we have twelve thousand eight hundred ninety. It was twenty three thousand nine. It was sixty five thousand. I think men last year a hundred sixty eight thousand. So it's been light reflect Maldon doubling every year now attacking for next year three hundred thirty thousand. So we just keep doubling up every every year. So. To do that. We've be being at a mall. Staff members will never see yo. We got head of fundraising with go a couple of people maximum working on some of the when the campaign analytics, that type of stuff. Another person working on digital marketing. We have a bookkeeper. I'm probably forgetting somebody here because will five five hundred staff now. And we're just looking at hiring head of culprit outreach as well, because we're finding that like chain restaurants, supermarkets that really keen to engage with us, so, but we're doing in quite a reactive way. So we want to do it in a more proactive way by contacting supermarkets, food civics provides chain restaurants and saying, hey, you know, you probably Kate hitting this vegan would all the time will will the experts on this. We can come and help you to to make sure that you develop the right products, understand what the audiences is interested in. So yeah, that's quite a long winded way on question. Sorry, guy. Great to come as the next fresh richest Palley growing on that. I remember just touch on the stats, not Steph over what you guys ridi invested in. I hid an he talking a couple of months ago. You said that you have to move in the in-laws because you. You'd fended it to a level where you needed to sort of move in with him for a while. So you put your lifestyle on the line to get this to work. So it wasn't just it was a massive life Pence, if you want to make sure that this works and I'm so glad to hear his pain office. Well, the so would you say that the key you carrying on from what you said about incurring all these stuff? Would you say that's the key is to keep momentum growing to keep reinvesting in sort of where else can you be seen? Indivisibility keep striving to not just double it, but strategically grow in certain areas. When we looked at the all the where on a, we've got a Pippas in life in an emission that the, you know, the end of the day, we're looking to end factory farming. So you know, but, but yeah, I mean, you we can't do it. Just the two of us we need to think about, you know, the filling the right positions and leading the lessons that we've made in the previous year. So every gaining more knowledge about the movements, we're getting more knowledge about what you size people to give it a go. Wait, wait, wait understanding that our demographics small. So you know when it comes to taxing people with a much better understanding of who is more likely to take out on who's less likely to take power. So we put our appetizing Budgie towards the ones that are more likely to take power. That's how really get more and more people doing it, you know? So we're learning all the time. It's a case if learning from the lessons of what we dome and what works, what doesn't unduly Mahler if the stuff that really works unless the stuff doesn't work. I'm a it is challenging finding staff that jet, say, passion work ethic can have skills that complement the expand upon what self injecting house. So we've, you know that that convey Turkey but was not into build a really great team. Now. Again, learning in terms of making sure that. You know, we, we, we find the right people with trading them in the right way and inspire them to to to join us on this on this mission. So anyone I know that you also up to feature at the January. I know you moving across the pond said, you've spent time in America recently expect to see a lot more Americans taking the Steph as well. Yeah. I mean, America's Bain, traditionally out second biggest market last year, roughly about half of people took power from the UK on half was everywhere else in the world. But the US was we had forty five thousand people in the US Soe's you know. But when you look at the size of the country, think we worked to doubt that zero point one, three percent of the UK population to power assigned on our website. I should say a med in the US's zero point zero one percent. So in. We're getting about ten times proportionally more people in the UK taking part in the US. So we've made a conscious decision to spend multi in there and do more networking trimbe workout strategies to. At to expand the campaign, they're looking for partners looking for influences that will will get involved celebrities. You know, trying to find celebrities that will end off the campaign as well. Well, we're not looking at the US with when looking at China will looking India having conversations with people in Brazil because these are all very, very big markets and even smaller country. So we're looking at doing. Versions of began you rate in countries like Portugal, seeing a Paul Canada, where we go activists the rating to work with this unavailing tree basis until room, solid micro sites in micro campaigns in those countries because one of the things that have been challenges the win based in the UK. Would also the UK time putting content out on social media between celebrates o'clock in the morning, eleven o'clock at night UK time. And that's missing out on what's happening in California and Vancouver in Latin America earn India, Australia. So with with very keen to style becoming more international unless UK Centric over time and that sort of the the next telling that we really need to do is having scale up from being a mostly UK charity. New k. can play to being something that's truly global. Well, I come to see how you come last in. Keep me in the league in a market sharing. One question I kind of know the onset, but I'd love to talk to these. Pioneers suggest self insane, which in twenty years time when we look back at what we're doing, what's the one thing that we think is normal that rachi gonna think is just absolutely wanted to be doing it too. So the example I give is twenty or twenty plus years ago people used to, they still do a smoke now we think that's crazy. But. What are we doing today that in twenty years time, we'll think was just stupid and crazy what we're doing on the line. But yeah, yeah. So they'll just wanted is eating meat. I mean, I think this certainly visit in a new awareness, an increasing awareness about the fact that it easel 'em, sustainable. You know, we have a growing population. And. In terms of unelected cultures putting real pressure on the planet intensity map space is needed to grow crops to feed to animals the -cations that has on climate change. It isn't talked about very much. Both animal likely culture is a big country to to a greenhouse gas emissions than all of transportation together. So something that needs to be tackled intensive health. We have all the epidemics of diseases, the relate to to the food that we eat and. Meat, dairy and eggs is certainly becoming people becoming more aware that the not that healthy. So and then obviously the cruelty, you know, you look at how we treat animals. Now, as as we become more intensively raised and with the desire to eat foods cheaply as possible, that we often forget the animals. You know that sentient creatures. So, but the good news is that technologically. And I say, this is going to be the big drive a for for this technologically the so many great things that are happening at the moment. So in terms of Plum vice meet innovation, for example, with light beyond me, the impossible burger that the developing products that are very, very close to what people used to eating intends by, you know, meet sayings happening shaky in all sorts of different products of the plan by versions that are coming out, which is so lifelike, if. If you like, and then of course you got clean meats. Some people might know Islam, grow mates concept. So I've spent a lot of time looking at this myself and. It's still early study, but this these companies that springing up and there's lots of money going into this area. So the idea is to develop from stem cells in replicate cells and actually grow, meet 'em out, not on the nanny growing in factories, and these are going to be like breweries in in the future. So you'll be able to to produce meet exactly the same. It's gonna be actual meat, but it will be better than me because it will be clean. It won't have to go through a slaughterhouse. In all all the dirty practices that you have there you Bill to grow the mate without any hormones or anti-biotics within eight Ube able to actually engineer the mayton such a way that attention has more protein in has got more million three in it. It's got many, you know some of the better things that we won't unless the bad stuff. So this will become standard in Saudi twenty. As I would think the likes of Richard Branson Bill Gates and the Tyson Foods is big meat manufacturer investing in these these technologies as well. So you know, people may not be seeing right now, but I'm seeing the future in all the conversations in the conferences that I'm going to. End, the scaling up the really are scaling up. So I think you know eight, twenty years. It will be totally different. You know, we one of the things we can always get a heads around is how fast technology's happening. You know, we look at the last ten years. See what happened. United mobile phones and and the computer, you know, official intelligence knowledge developments, and then he looked forward the next ten years. It's gone on accelerate ten years after we even faster will the growth. So I think it's inevitable. The Tim. She's gonna happen in the meat Daria next spaces. We're gonna get these alternatives and people will realize that they're actually better than the original and they'll move across to it. I'm still be the few people who don't even be just stopped eating meat because the Nolan becomes she said, you know the non meat. Yeah, you'll have to like like we have to consciously ask for no dairy. They used to come to see us for daily. No, we don't some jokes about that on our social media. She let people go to ask today amid all menu in restaurants. Yes, it's coming. It's coming. That's that's an amazing feature to the vincit when I can't wait to be then. Yeah, I'm so excited that y'all exceleron eating it as well and bringing the feature to the presence. So em you know, full ready businesses or consumers, people curious of it. How do we find acts to buy about began years ago to began dot com. Yes, we've got all the information on. Now we're on. We're on Facebook. To vote such beginning, it'll make Paul Goto the group's following slash began. You're a, we're on Twitter, obviously, run, Instagram buddy wants to wreak welcome to again when Instagram, if you should finally put easily on Twitter at renegade guy on on Twitter as well. I'll tell the links in the in the information on the sides as well, but it's been an absolute of. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on the puck cast. It was. It was great. Thank you. Kate. We didn't speak too much about you. Did we? Let's find nine all about me. The other one, but yes, yeah. And I, I've, I've launched a business coast called profit with purpose, and that's to help people bring the business dreams to license is positively contributing to the wheels. So that's. Yeah, it's very, is launching at just a fifteen people because it's quite labor intensive might possibly want to make sure they get much inventory, but then hopefully I'll be able to scale that to a large level where I'm literally just helping people with the coast to make many to survival fit, not just do goods. They can do both to bringing those themselves together. You often people that sort of look down the knows that people making Monique out of these out of really great products than it's the reality is that you know, if if somebody launches a, you know, greatly problems, making money out of it that that's great because he becomes sustainable. They can invest in this business to expand and also do good things with the prophets. And you know, we need more of these lamps replaced of philanthropy. 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771 - The Last of the Starks | Game of Drones S8 E4

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771 - The Last of the Starks | Game of Drones S8 E4

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Whatever it is said, it's me we could link to take your mind off that what I'm gonna do is gonna send my voice across the deep dark. Knight coming to use Lulling, soothing creek dulcet tones pointless meanders to birth Lewis tangents what else? Well, let me under superfluous tangents sprig eople nece, momentary forgivable nece more amps, absent minded, professor nece. Don't know exactly more empty. I'm more like a like, not empty minded. I wouldn't say I'm absent minded or empty minded like I would say like this'll take some into scribe ING like how low minded, and what I say when I mean that is like there's things in there, and my mind, but there's also a lot of hollow space. So there's echoes. You know, there's a there you say, well, I'm not sure let's go walk around the well, it's a winding. Pass up there in the howls of scoots mind, which could. Carole king. If you wanna make a song that could be the song if you had to write a selling about me in the hallows scoots his mind, it would have very narrow appeal. I think so we maybe we'd have to make it a new title it. You get excited. Excuse me. If you're new pardon me, saying excuse me to Carol king in also excusing myself before going off topic sewer early is very how how that does sound like some that was very hollow minded of me. I'm sorry that does does feel like a like a legitimate equal. Equal response there. Could you say how come that feels more natural than apps in mind? I guess you say, well, you know, what those very app to minded me. It's we'll we like usually if you'd have come you say, we'll just write it down next time against when you're hollow minded people would say, not sure what that means. Prime means. There's an echo up there. I mean, here's a good thing. Like there's benefits to being hollow minded, breezy wake echo. So that's another one. But plenty ahead space you'd say, whoa. Look at a ceiling in this is where we inside your mind. These are very high ceilings been thinking about getting some frescoes in here. But I'm just at the beginning of bad cast intro Michaelangelo. So let me get backed back to excu- wanted to chat with Carol king. She's on a tour to okay, sorry. New listeners. They usually don't go off topic is so quickly actually sometimes I do if you're new to the spot Cass. Welcome to sleep with me, it they say Iran say it's about yesterday, which is this more podcast to be here as you fall asleep. When I'm gonna do is send my voice across the deep dark night. I'm going to use alone. Susan creek adults to tones pointless meanders superfluous, tangents Amena, go off. Topic as you've seen already all to take your mind off, whatever's keeping you up and keep you company. A really my job is. See, I guess you could wouldn't say that the Hallam. I did professor doesn't sounded say paid to go to the school. Absent minded, professor does sound more collegiate at don't. No, I don't think the Jala minded professor would work. But you'd see. Okay. We'll get back. You're right. I'm just catching up with some of the echoes system here in here. Okay. But if you're new let me give you a couple of things as you've probably already noticed this bad. Guess is a bit different. It's a fairly silly ING. It's a fairly Cillian goofy. I tend to go off topic. I tend to circle back around. It's kind of a light heartedness. But sometimes they can be tough. If you're having trouble sleeping, obviously. That's why you're here. I'm glad you're here. And I hope I can help. But sometimes it's hard to really dispatch cast is guess you'd have to imagine with. We'll have to lean into this. If you were inside of a hollow minded, professor. I mean, first of all wouldn't adventure, you'd say holy cow thought, it was things were cool on Hough their band, two or whatever wherever else, you know, famous characters have been been it. Wow. I'm in this hour mind, and Eddie forget what I was going to talk about is trying to make a metaphor for the new listeners occas, they'd say instead of looking back gases like a construct that makes any sense it can look at it. Like, we're what we're on general tour Mehalla mind, he say, okay. Well, I can see where he put some frescoes up there that really does seem like I can see the scaffolding now going up to say actually, what about me doing some frescoes to forget Michaelangelo EC scooter, how come you say it like that? And they say, I don't know it just seems also by the way, that's it was someone Michelangelo TM. Teenage teenage mutant ninja turtle Stillman a hundred percent sure that's to actual real Michael Michaelangelo. So it might also be another reason why I'm saying it's all, but but we had a karaoke king is petting Michelangelo shell. So that's that's probably nice. So yeah, if you're new don't it can be hard not to take this seriously. But kinda see if you could observe it in a passive way, structurally, what to expect that the show starts off with business a in. And there's some business Trine intro in episode because that's how we keep the podcast refer everybody. Then after the beginning of business. There's the intro which were probably six minutes into which is where try to it. Just can't get you ready for bed into ease. You into bed time round twelve minutes to me messing around, you know, trying to find my way in my own hollow brain because here's a legitimate question. Would I if I was up there would have I guess that have a headlamp? Maybe one owes construction helmets with the lamp on area. Right. Just in case. You know cases, any hito falling gray matter or brain Guber goo as talked about like they scooter you asleep. Guru and say, no more of a sleepy goo, goo, brain or goop. I'd say goop Agoo used to have a band called the goop Agoos. It live. Madge, I dream just thought of that name actually right now. You're right. We only stage cancer. It's in the how you know the hall brain amphitheater in actually, there's a metaphor. It's actually my brain's not how low it's just the my brain zone is within a hollow space. No, no more hollow than the average Halis consists. Of course, how anyway, you're right. Get to get off topic. So I didn't even mean that pun, but that's the truth. I gotta get back into the intros a a wind down he slow lane. Ding strip few to ease into bedtime is in. There'll be some business will be will be talking tonight about geo t-. And so we'll talk about the episode, then we'll talk about some facts, then we'll talk about we'll talk to time and impounds we'll talk to the old GATS in the new so pretty long episode. If you haven't seen games their own good news, you know, need to with my recaps, you'll sleep right the room. And if you don't. Or if you do watch game of thrones ability what screw sock in about 'em. I mean, if you're super listening, it could be spoiled, obviously because I'm gonna talk about the episode. I try to talk about it in the most vanilla way because they know you're here trying to sleep. So I'm just here to take your mind off seven keep you company. Interesting case, you can't sleep. It's just entertaining enough that you know, I'll be here in, you know, talk RA I guess they will be prattling on that was one of our first hitch as the Google, Google brains, or whatever I called it a no that was my Saturday morning cartoon in when I was hero. Gogo goo brain. And they sit actually that was already shows go than specter any say, okay to Shay. So I guess it's a main thing says structurally, which expect. F I this absolute are well over an hour, well until almost two less our range. So there's no pressure to fall asleep. Even those asleep at case and more here to keep you company and take your mind off stuff as you drift off evidential, so no pressure. Listen because I'm gonna be meandering around in may make an echo in my own. You know? See lately, enjoy in the hallows in the you know, the hallows within my mind. Yeah. Hallo minded, I think it was using brained bef- like in the middle in a sit. I don't like the way that sounding. That's why I could try to move. And he said, oh because I don't forget it was using how will mind that's much more neutral term. You think you could use? If you feel like you did something that you need to apologize for because you were being Jala minded, they think it's okay to test. That out is like don't test it out as a test apology. But if you say, I guess like, let's just sit out as it being. I don't think all how like here's an SAT question. If you're writing any of them some times Hallam, I be I can only speak for myself now, all hollow minded people. But you know, sometimes we could be inconsiderate or all Jala minded people inconsiderate. No. But maybe if you were inconsiderate this week, you could say it was very hollow minded of me. I'm sure. Is that a? You know, left your soda out and counter in went to room temperature was alum when you say what is it? Oh, Incan does inconsiderate me it realized. I guess it was absent minded as well in this case kinda was because I was just moving it to put it out still yet. But I'm sorry. I guess is what I'm saying. I don't know how we got into apologies or who whom apologizing for whoever sewed I room warmed them. Sorry at even I didn't even know about it till just now, so maybe that's a self Aboul G. But here's the thing of glad you're here. I really hope I can help you fall asleep shows a lot different this, my main thing, but make it because they care and believe you deserve a good night's sleep in just here to keep company to take your mind stuff and help. So again, thank you so much coming by a work, very hard. Strive in a urine to help you fall asleep. And here's a couple more ways. We keep the show ago when everybody I don't know if you've had chance to to to if you're enjoying her game thrown coverage. Game. Drones and omen a love making these episodes. They know there are most popular episodes that we do make. But I also know they're not for everybody in. So if you're looking to skip the game of thrones content have the next six weeks. Think about becoming a patron on Monday nights. We're gonna have extra archived episode. That's not in the feed anymore like throwback to the two hundred three hundred. So you have a little bit extra content. 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This is a season eight episode four or episode seventy one of entire series interests the last of the Starks so in a have just found that out. So now in time to really chew on that really. But it does have a last time then it has the same opening. I think. The one thing he noticed if you really wanna watch is. That the win in the middle floors of winner. Phil they look a bit broken down. I don't know if that was new or something I I noticed almost like a car that won't start an engine that won't start. There's some gears on the floor in thing in the background that kind of pulsating. Remember now, but Edano, and then the camera pans up, and I said, I know those splayed feet, I could tell you who spooks those are anywhere except one thing he knows is that there's there tied up towards the ankle. And I don't know if there's a traditional thing and those boots. It would make sense to get your feet in there. But man that would not keep the water the cool out in its, sir. Giora with good color taking big nap in you know, he had off to the farm you stake in a big nap in the sky. In collegiate. We haven't enough we've seen her in this coat. I guess I would refer to his coat she had very similar coat in red or white with some red in it almost like yarn. Or wool, maybe which would make sense to me Kalisa, Natalie or fashion choices perf, I mean lovely and would you say well as very smart way or for the north India dragon riding? Socio? So it's gray with a red or maroon they're online. Great. Isn't it? Great. Does get you. See we'll Soleil to your orbin charcoal businesses, definitely gray. Then speaking of gray Greystone is at we're just trying to joke in there couldn't tell Kalisa. She says goodbye drawer whispers to him as an we see CNN with cast of the CBA little bully Seib. Lou tint to him. Sansa gives him a beautiful stark pin? I did like really like this payroll opening. When when I said after a while it Blake a K the payroll wake, maybe, but this was a really nice payroll opening the Kalisa than saints a family to attend to look to name, the John's pets whose name is g casper. And everyone watching there's lots of good by ally. People saying goodbyes. REM brandon? Casper. The dog. Oh, dear. That would that says, oh, dear is John go. I said, oh, dear John about to make a speech. They said what are we in new high watch like is? But he makes his speech. I like John don't get me wrong. Najib NASO hot under speeches. And he says Hawaii the, you know reunion. I'm here, you know, that he says, oh, she do like a shield Saker around of people. Cheery in. Oh, what does that say, I dunno hysteria? But then I noticed San was next. I think Sam was like, maybe if you watch in the background at some point he steps to the side behind Sansa. I think that might say Tyrian out. No. Free folk, we see this kind of the became repainting aria Cisco by Barrick. Sam says goodbye to. Ed agendas. Cabana Liana early. Anna shares look with colle- C O, John and Kalisa. Cher. Look look as both sad and fierce. Anuj some sadness is. They float away like know in missive time for the misty misty is in the midst of the mist of the big farm. Ms San Masan day. Ashore nor. I don't soc-. She's watching. I think I gray worms wizar- Arias. There's music. There's the messed. You could also say S K E, John when notice police drag pan, which even looking at more now three headed dragon pin? Probably I mean good because she really has a lot of layers. But for someone like me, that's always bumping into stuff would definitely not last as long. And. I guess magic myself and my chest against stuff all the time. But it just like wouldn't would wouldn't last for me as a need a pin. And then there's a big dinner in already for me like Chuck about archetypes from game of thrones is like I say, okay, big dinners, not comfortable is big dinners. It's like staying because he okay, this is not especially we don't see our area. Banquet halls and game thrones to nag go like banquets in any communal meals that I this is like I'll tell you spoiler. This is the best community on the history game of thrones. Probably and be maybe season one. Maybe they can have mad winner. Phil maybe season one. I can't remember there's a big dinner assume ably there presumably there was when Robert GATT there, and even when they're probably was a little attention or something. But yeah, there hasn't been a dinner. This was an awkward dinner. And that was like the worst. I mean that was so bad as get. Let's see we have the seating wise at the head tables, brain Sansa, John and the Kelly see. I mean super awkward, but nasally everybody's Scana Chander. There's lots of colo- subs. Can you this one coming up here? I think it's here of maybe again, the first one. Yeah. Let me rewind it here. Let's see what our timing is around ten minutes in. Yeah. Here we go. It's at ten. Oh, eight ish in it'll be another one. They're like, I don't know this perfect because I'm not that's studied in film. But they seem like these Stanley Kubrick style kind of juice off aside colo- Supsa characters as one again jury and then later there's one of the Colegio. Yeah. That's Porton moment. So we see Gandhari in the hound or talk. And hey, we're so aria you seen her, and you know, you had to go look for count sees right through. It is injury tracks leave Kalisa Kohl's amount. If I it seems it was awkward the whole time. But as part of like, the Kalisa. Can connect, you know, ability to connect in one, you know, being so. And nobody she says, oh, are you a son Robert, Bryan? Oh, is it trouble? Even on unite gives John a look like oh. Which she almost says, it's Oprah moment. Shouldn't go full Oprah. She just gives imitate title shows and go you get a title. You get you know, you get a hold fast you, but she gives him whatever that polices skill to storms in. He's who she goes who's the Lord of storms end. Now. I she says it ino- even Sam doesn't know if it's a rhetorical question or not he is really great. Look he says that's a good question. I'd have to go back at have to go over old town and. Or in SAM's, anything is she being rhetorical. Or should I start to look into this? And even analysts three eyed raven, even and he's in the another Kanus threat through the episode because they can't because I'm. You know, like like Robert was my, you know, he says my situation which is similar to Dan situation, or, you know, the situation, and she goes, Nope. I just made you Lord, yo. In on unite is still tense because it's kinda kinda fumbles with a little so onion that goes toward Gandhari. And then fall people the next first weekend. Here's shouted out. His burn Bryanne and the hound is not he's not having any of it. He says no thanks was a in sue. Oh, somebody they do like salmon sue neither Osam with some dude. Some northern dude I said who's at northern dude and they shake injuries hand. Then police is not the only one who's Kalev Tyrian in than Santa gives gives tearing look like gross. You just given. She's just given out. If you're gonna give something way to like over give one to everybody in the audience. If she give us some hold fast or something. Also, I don't know what I didn't look that up either. Ju what does say John ove, Jamie. Brian drink. Onion Kennett does a quick fill in little bit of expansion. Is it seen teensy bid on the red woman in? This was something that was gilding myself or maybe looking forward to to really wasn't a lot of exposition in this episode, which I did not think was necessary. But of course, like like Blake said last or to go if if if I could listen to Jamie in brain or Jamie, interior, brand talk for hours about exposition or backstory or world building or whatever. But anyway, he's he's just a quick thing. Bid aghast Senna note that man to oh a bit. Guess I put a show on unit really dunks. Send the Lord of light. He's he's having Lord elated. I said buddy, I got a belief system. You could believe in worldwide, not even in my belief system not on. I mean, it even I wasn't even aware of Lord away when I came up with. Let's see. I don't think ever used the term dunk San in the podcast. But like these. These terms from twenty twenty spiff teen, but I'm gonna use another one soon. Wes is still have to contend with. I mean, so he should join me. We still have to contend with us. The this Tyrian says you might take out the the ice people, but the hound watch more wine it and tearing Kennett does it awkward compliment on brands wheelchair branches Asia. This is designed same design that Darren targe, Aryan gut. He says, we'll do they don't really want anymore. I mean, it gives the only thing I'm gonna miss brand. If we don't see him again, these next two episodes. I mean, really re again again because you could you give like a bonus hour episode. I mean, really that would be my sleep odd cast in and not even sleep. Try just chill. I mean, the show has so many good melodious voices. In unique ways. I think brand Sirat raven voice, obviously, the onion barrack done Darian is ser. Jor? Those are those are pry top voices. Termine now skin too weird, man. You shouldn't in v me. He says mostly I live in the past. Iliad because like become into this like like Brown mode, or he's like, let's bound some drinks Chan, and guess it was like his goats. Whatever giants milk, which was nad. I don't believe it gets. She gets actually scooter. Say thanks a Kelly. C? Cheers is our area. Pound. I think John of drink or maybe term into. Does since he gives a look to colletion cheers sharia in Santa's out, then we hit by Jamie, drinking was Tyrian being a little bit of a b you to the Elta the Elta the Wyan Bryanne subtle, but passive aggressively passive or whatever in maybe brand was fake drinking. Torment over does. He's doing his like little buddy staying with John. And his second life, which I guess is. That is fully public information. Does not this one. W t f it comes keep going W Tf. Birch. What is him in think? Torment says something weird, man. Oh, he does say something he has online. I guess I was my WTN. I think it's or his his one another weird line in the subsoil note. Dany doesn't get any credit. In of course, eighteen sixteen this is when there's a this Kubrick, Danny face in this one was I felt like from Stanley Kubrick movie because I believes this music. There's a focus bold Varis Danny's feeling comfortable. So it kind of audio changes in the viewpoint changes in. She says I gotta get outta here. In various follows her. A laughing drunks. They get a little bit that nice is too much Tyrians gives too much truth out a gnat like he does Supremes out torment. This is where torment got weird. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This something like did. You say them in. It was actually funny. But it was like it's true. Then Jamie follows the end term and puts the things together cheering tops drink off. And then by Drik smile smiles. Appreciated this brief moment because Bajic smiles at torment, which can bounces. It was gingery actually. Okay knows wrong. We're told Gandhari which like like us confused it. So then torment walks off is wet is as he talks to the hound of his loss of the love of Brienne. Now, see it's watching this didn't know if the women delivering wine were hired by saints. 'cause in the hound wants to be alone. But see it's a rolls up, and they have this. This is really one of the highpoints of the quick little bird discussion. But again, I don't know like it was a little bit of them say Hussein saying all it was necessary for me to get here. To where I am. Talk passing the time. I don't know. I mean, oh, the talk about the passing time the hound in the hands in the house. There's only one thing that makes me happy. You know, this is a direction misdirection or not. It's just expected gain bowl is people have been talking about for a few years. Now, he says you should stay with the hound. That's when she says now then. Party gets too drunk to crazy. Gained refines aria who's doing target practice. This is another really highpoint of episodes. I looked at these were back to back. He says celebrating or you know, I'm the Lord of storms in now is will you be my lady is already kind of looks. And then she gets down. He's on his knee and she gets down. She gives him a serious kiss deep kiss. She gets you'll be a good Lord. But I'm know I'm not a lady never have been. That's not me Sar bre. In injuries can do anything about REO. Like like, I mean, no fence like we've an ask in that for. But I guess for us to see her answer was worse. Said gantry, man storms and were never been there. Okay. Once you head out there now. Breen keeps good fire. She knows how to really keep. She has a whole. She explains briefly her fire methodology and a winner fell. We also see her jewel encrusted sword. Jamie roles in with some Dornoch wind takes his jacket off. They she they talk about keeping. I thought this was a nice subtext actually because he talked about keeping a fire go, and I said him whatever you say when you clear your throat. 'cause the medically that will come to the subtext. Who's Jamie keeping his fire going for? Norse crews, and you don't things ho, oh, she says enormously grow on you James wants thinks growing and me. Jamie long. Oh, he's still gonna be a little like a pan, passive agro. Jamie needs owned Jamie, getting assured off even undone. It was also Jamie joke tried to rewind it a few times. Couldn't tell exactly what it was was. I dunno honest. I said what you say what did he say? Then we have John drunken pensive by his fire in Kalisa shows of she drawing. He goes, no, yeah. Little bit. Then I said this. I why can't have you making speeches John he goes unto no, sir drawer that. Well, he said what the heck men, and they talk about love and love Giora and says. This is say don't know. She says, you know, I didn't love him. Like, I loved you. What is it is that one right? But he's they say let's kiss on that. All right. Maybe she says, and they say let's kiss on it chill. John. Of course, has a moment of think, I mean, real like, the do some heavy petting. But then I didn't like I mean, this is the scenes I do like when I don't understand. What's happening? The motivations of the characters. I mean, it gives you wanna recent Jan seem is a little bit more understandable where they said is. Polic- sort of John pause because he said, well, this is my aunt or you know, would wake his voice scout type of routine, or is it Kelly C is this an intentional move by the Khalid manipulate John any detects that, I don't know. Danny there and purpose. Why did you tell she? But I I don't know. I think really she was an why did you even tell me? The nice, I know that look. Oh, she talks about how like John everybody loves John here. And she goes in never gotten that look on this side of the C. And she she she goes, you wanna make this work say nothing, the police definitely can very concerned about the soul. I mean, understandably the success whatever succession is started watching season one of that too. Oh cow. John Schwartz says, I'm boy scout I owe them the truth. Then we have the seem that comes up. I think two retired. I was sort of baiting. Danny actually begs. In did have to w t f. 'cause he said way too sick in a. Is this way? But she Jan says your Queen single change. That they are my buddy goes you change with you. But those they're my family, and she goes, I just told you how to fixing old double O L. And so I don't know maybe this is like a double flaws seen. And sometimes I mean, honestly, I mean, you know, jealous of John me not in this particular situation. Scalpels gated, but. I don't know. Are we seeing John's 'cause now it's like, I don't know John's playing by the rules is cancelled kind of caused him. So. So I don't know if it's foreshadowing or what we're just rejection. And we go to Jamie who can't sleep. It looks like bomber land. Like rian? Sound asleep? And that's what it says. Drops out does Amin talking about a plane. Half drops out talking about a plan, and I don't know Searcy will lie. Okay. I think is oh this is. So this is when they're coming up at the Blaine rate, or what is this? I don't know with this one. So me, I think this is when they're doing their waning Mejia's fast forward here. I actually believe it or not actually got ahead of the episode. You got some kissing going on between Dan Jan? You know, we get some buffering you never to sleep ks to. It really talked to each other and different angles to just to make it. A Jan moves around a lot. Okay. We'll get Moran asleep. Oh, yeah. So it's a planning meeting. So they're making plans. Oh, half troops out. That's that's as Elsa say has immigrant. Remember sue searches? You know, why? Then they used me second pop culture. So then dunk sand coliza until to the rest of the episode. It's a. We do have Dorn Bank in just because he's until doesn't mean she can't come back in the next two snappy until two and would still mean, we'll talk about that probably if we have time in the Rica or the facts, which just means she's. She's got so much. She's overwhelmed and she said not thinking clearly so she's acting against their own best interests. Yeah. It's like an aggression against your own best interests me that's being until means to me or the opposite. I guess too. So when when you're until can everyone can see it. But you like that's one of the other features of its he didn't get it was like a pinball charm, probably turn before that. And then you get used in during the great poker and a sense that was like fifteen years ago, or whatever. This looks like it's Starks in Budapest. Without woulda means s- Turks in the Buddha. Until people need to rest in this. Search historic cer-. A c we'll help. But senses after everybody rest and recuperate s- in Kalisa. No, no way in Jan Benzes knee. He says actually now this is like I guess like thinking back on it. Now the scene if you times it's like. In. It's like Santa's actually doing what's best maybe end by like, the cluelessly, and John I guess they're kind of again acting against Bosa. Both best interests would seem to me. Because if they just rested winner fell is a good. I don't think they could send out some Keeble people to keep an eye on stuff. Also, what happened all various his eyes and stuff if keep an eye on things. Like is for much activity is in sub. So it's like, dude, I you had birds everywhere. REM Sansa share look with this whole thing is John says, okay, Kalisa, we'll do whatever you want. John and Davos of John Davos and the troops are gonna head down the kings road. James going to be a guest. Winner fail rifle Queen police says and stares at saints. Then aria blacks, John is retry exit Hughes, family, talk, buddy. So then the poor. We were tree has solicit into all this. Four starks. I mean jets still the same amount of stark. It's just different stark parent. So let's see so seeing are they play a little it's a little bit of fake out which they've done before with the little finger. Where they can actually disagreeing. Or maybe they do disagree. But are. Comes down to like, we don't trust your Queen. She's not one of us. Really good dialogue worth checking out here. I don't wanna go through all of it. I mean, I guess you trust people you grew up with Jeanette going have many I realize if you don't trust. If you only trust people that you grew up with Nori says, I don't need many allies. So they talk about family in fumbles in because they said well Jensen's, I'm not they see you are start. You are member of our family. Maybe I should sit down with John and show-me like your mother's started K, your father star, Gary, and you're still fifty percents star. Maybe I don't know again, whatever line of succession would who cares. But then there's another threat in this episode of people making choices or some characters making choices not everyone aft to swarm. Another one people swearing promises. So this choices promises whatever the third thing. I said was begging come up multiple times sevice sewed cheering and Jamie or Pataki about bringing cheering contol jokes climbing mountains is they see cheers to climbing mountains, I said again says some foreshadowing or what? In brown. Roles in Igli talks about their blonde toughs. He he's negative. I think that's says is like this unfriendly hedge, which I guess get politically or whatever I don't know how to describe it brands head enough of dealing with the rich people. Basically answered double riverine, which is high garden. He'd be Lord of the reach Jamie says what are you nuts? I guess I didn't like the scene just because as I guess as a fan of Veron being teamed up with Jamie or somebody else. Maybe it'll happen in the next two. So it's just been a fan of Brian. So no, he's probably. I dunno nieces. Give me your word second round of pennies him means really don't know. I mean se second round of pennies, but he says I'll find you win. The war is done. Give me your word sick around of prunes. No. Then we have this one was a little bit for me fan service in a good way. Because we have to hound walk in and his collides. He's in a horse Clydesdale horse in an exceed Ciara. And he says she and she was you're on your own. He goes nanny more. What about you? She go. They say I don't like crowds same here where he going where do you think? I guess some unfinished business me to nap. Elaine, and I'm coming back me neither. So maybe the last starts just means these three three and a half Starks. This was a good have been called three and a half will actually thread ravens Natta stark anymore in. I would venture say aria is out of stark anymore. She has become she's of faceless person. I mean that might be out there. But so leaves us with one and a half stark Sissons in a guest by John's reasoning. He's not a stark is Gary in. I don't know. Maybe I'm reaching. Maybe just meant those four would have meeting. I mean, but stance Sansa excuse me on the stays in north. Then we see Danny. And dragons seeing it says watching rules up my lady, she doesn't say nothing. He says you're supposed to say my Lord in census y hurry really thinks. She's a good Queen. Is lots of like, I guess in other saying that comes up like people not looking at one another. And looking. Is your choline to she says seen since you afraid to Khalidi? That we get this Inada stark would have someone better out there. E N eventually he walks away. She calls him bags. She spills the beans that she had learned from Joe John tells aria in John has brand till are saints at the family meeting. They you know, he's like everything about deter, Gary and stuff. Then we see onion, and John and horse say John was outsourced. Get back off Cisco bided torn and who is another good line really whole as like one of these lines of the season. Room to wonder this isn't home. So this is goodbye tournament. I believe he does this one. I can say at of all of John's decisions you'd say, okay. If you're not gonna give vote because he says here take him take a casper with you my dog. I mean, honestly like this was things. I get outraged about what does it say hippie up there? And I think he says we're going to be happy if their room to roam room to wander so new so well, so. So new well your. Anna, nobody says so so long or whatever, farewell. You never know. We might see each other again is let me seem in Gilly in the future. Charlie agendas are Hobitza girl in San says, you're the best friend of ever had. And chances you too. No. Oh, yeah. Should know. Friggin goodbye for for the dog casper. Again. I I was just I just didn't like this mean Maria, which Arias dog went through the same thing. I guess I mirror. I think that's the name her wolf or dog. You know? That's when I couldn't believe it. So then we have casra torment, salmon Gilly, they goodbye. And we see ships holding ships at sea in grey worm or bay or as a masonic owes him. She calls them that. I mean, the anyway, but not at not on the show anyway, smile, they smiles they're holding hands. Which makes more do you in various interior down in the cabin? It would get this conversation twice in Kennedy Tuta from forms. Very they both know now, they say eight people know, so it's not a secret. It's information. And then they say, well what about what should we do? Like police untilt in John wants to bend the knee versus what he wants does not matter. Interferences what about marriage? He is marrying your aunt common in the north. The what is the say does not like having an autumn quandary into? I don't know what to means. It does not like having another. Oh anyone question. Her sortie Nellie, Kevin restored. He questioned. This is our job were her advisors in tears says miester she'll win and they'll solve everything. New put. Oh, dear not sure what happens here. Sure. What happens here? Some weird face off a police e oh, yes. Okay. This is the boat. As in. There's some weird face. Okay. So then like a the thin somehow without various birds. They didn't know that you're on was going to show up and take on dragons away in most of boats. Grey worm says get to the skiff now. I saw that they had like actus arms and our launchers Tyrian. Jumps in who. I thought episode might end here because it faded out. But it was just a fake out. Is ain't goodness. Because it was like it was like you can't end it now. Kosei who did wish to send their but so Tyrians in the water? No Masan day. All the boats are gone wanna drag took trip to the big farm. Nat re Rageh Rageh or whatever. Souci? What is this? Then we see the redound kings. Anyway, she served see she's leading all the people into the red keep Colli born in Iran or they're a AC Queen. She goes I'll be like Queen of the line in the land crack in the sea. Will rule the sea in our child or rule the mall in? She goes keeps us keep open for the innocent to come in here. Then she says so much breaker the chains. And it's revealed that Sunday is with them. So no. As we're bag the planning room polic- tilts over lying. Something. I don't know if this is it looks like gray or. I mean grey room had a lot of faces versus you know, will told you look you in the eye disagreed you. If I he's looking then he does because this is a mistake. Too many innocence us do nap become what you struggled to defeat juicery here for a reason. Or what in this is exactly what I until would say we're here to free the world's tyrants via tire tyranny. In father, Anna knows Dame and the interior. Well, let's make an offer at least in coolies. Right. She goes won't work, sir, c will refuse. In drums in looks. Oh, yeah. And then everybody shares a looks then we have one more talk various interior in talking about tyrants and destiny. Some of the same talk before he goes to John snow solution. Vera says who's gonna be the better ruler? Put neither the me. Maybe that's just my bias. Versus maybe the best ruler is person who does not want to rule. And j interiors again, what about marriage in versus she's too strong for him. And he goes you're drinking a lot to what the heck who got supposed to have our a game. And then tier I mean, I guess cheering says this is you know, this is when I have a game. He and he says I believe in our Queen she'll make the right choice. So again, if we're seeing through Tyrians is to say, okay. Okay. Let's be patient here. He says with the help of her advisers of which we are two. And then again, this choice that he comes up each of us has choice to make had various also he's out. He's for the realm. The people around kind of innocence. I guess which again is a callback to whether discussions them back winter fell. There's work going on, Jamie. See Sanson Rianne whispering. Try and go see a raiders out. And Sundays down south and census KENDALL smug. She goes you always wanted to be there. When sir she went by in Jamie scan is stunned. And then we got him sitting my fireplace with his arms crossed being reaons asleep. Lots of furs in the bed. Jamie's out. No good. Bye. Evidence ran here's the door close. So she goes out. She goes, you're not like your sister. Your good man police say no the round of Cana begging in again with a character dome. And I mean, I don't know. I mean, I do know brands in love with Jamie. But I think she would have had an, but she begs him to stay. I mean me she's begging stay for him because she doesn't. Yeah. Guess maybe. That's why it's okay for beg. She says she's not begging for her. She's saying dude if you go there, and he goes, good good person. All that. I did for, sir. See she's hateful. And so my in brands, you know, obviously, her kind of hurts very sad. Then it's out. We're outside the red keep. And seem keep lots of seems look more smug. Okay. So let's see out said read keep lots of those lots of those anti dragging things. There's Lhasa shared looks. Everybody of tap is smug in keep the sun. We except for Sunday. Dragging bows stage. Dow's oh staredown. There's a ton of staredown 's. This was like cyberman out surrender. The Clyburn comes out. He says in tearing goes forward for the par layer whatever interior says, you got surrender you surrender. Nope. No. Insurances command may and nego student a mouthpiece. But he goes, by the way, we're totally confident. We also see my Sunday caught in the middle of this negotiation. In it does turn on a bunch of. I mean, there is tension in the seeing is. He goes we have a chance here helped me he can beg me. This is this last beg episode. Yeah. He is now. So then. Cheering marches onto pitch Searcy and decency and survival. He says command command she fakes out cheering if I then she says no dice with as he begs her to kinda see like the sensible side. I guess. Even urine ver- for a quick second looked unsure he says, you're not a master see, and she has look away as he talks about kids and stuff. I beg you this or ten seven. So. Then we have a series of shots with looks Searcy makes her choice. With the rise solo. Oh, it's a slow reveal. She makes choice of there is now with her. She see your face turn as she makes decision. I think it could only tell that in the second second watch. So I I wish I still had a. I was like what is she going to do? But it's a slow reveal. But Danny gray were new in the first to watch in the second watch because it was the same episode. They step up, and she goes anything, you gotta say 'em Sanday. She goes drew car, which I thought it was I don't know. This is tough. Grey worm stunned. Tyrian? Broken diary, mad Kubrick, that's music. Tyrian kind of is. Broken. I don't think that's what it says. Denarius very mad. There's Kubrick music. So I said, oh, this was like a little bit of Kubrick could break in cinema here. Maybe. Danny walks off. Tyrians gives over dear look. Is seriously has like her search. She has this look like, I don't even like very. Eight like jalek, Jamie said who she is. And Danny walks off. In the end of the episode. So so as episode analysts look at a couple of things that came up make clothes out. Okay. Last the Starks here L link to it there's article about Danny spin. But I won't bring that up link to. Here's about Darren tar, Gary and I wanted to look at its day D R O N. Actually, there's more than one. This is he's the son of again third. But there's also Darrien in the good and dare in the second. This is Darren the first of his name. Dread to bring Dorn in. But it was eighteen years. He was called a young dragon versa. King was Ed name to be on the iron throne. Eight king of tar Garin dynasty to rule the seven kingdoms. Allude about one hundred years before the start of this you show. Before the events leading up to the start of the show. Succeeded a Sita's feather again stirred kind of stubbornly tried to get into Dohrn. Head no air. So he was succeeded by bail or blessed. And I don't know what else is in here. There's a lot in the books, but that's kind of it about him. So maybe that isn't the one not see if there is there's other dare dare in in the book. There's Darren the daring. Darren the one Darren the second twelve skiing and the iron to their own. Prince Jaron if I buy born of maker. So I don't know which one. I don't know if one of was one of them's Riyadh raven out of no was see what Darren daring the drunk and one of them was. As maker son is Darren the sake in broad Dorn peacefully into the realm uniting all the lands. So maybe this assume. He this is from the book. He was after bail or the blessed blessed and Darren young dragon. He arranged marriage of Darren to Marie Ma. Mariah Martell Dorn. Brinson dragon stone. I don't know. I don't see anything about it though. But to go he was involved in the bike for I rebellion. It's not somebody on remember something about to end. So this a little bit about wing to that. So this is a movie review of eighties movie that I don't mess. There's a big movie that either I may have seen in that paid attention. I never saw it in the movie theater. In remember, a really beloved movie in it has like movie moments in, but I don't have. Honestly, I don't know if ever saw the movie review, did I wasn't paying attention in Philly Kizza, make lash were always laying it. But this is Roger Ebert review of the. From February seventeen two thousand two of say anything in his actually Cameron Crowe movie. Can't believe I didn't know that at a the first time Doppler Ecoles Diane court to ask her out date. He dials every number, but one and then brushes his hair before dialing and he wants to look his best. He gets her father on the phone and lure talks her father. But how great she is. This scene early in Cameron Crowe say anything reflects one of the many virtues of the movie in a lesser film. Wa- Lloyd would have gotten Diane on the phone to I try, but it's important to establish that are five or is a major player in the story. Movie this movie's about honesty and dishonesty Loyd is tall loyal and true chose the truce in see especially Frank about. The fact he has no future is career plans include college may be kickback saying. But he can only is a teacher right now. Diane is classic oriented and a winner of scholarship to England. This is kind of a blah. I don't want to go through the blood. I just wanted to see what the review was. This is still more saying anything depends above on human qualities of its actors kuzak and sky cast for their clear eyed Frank unis- further ability bitty ability to body burning intensive young idealism movie late. This is possible because maker believes in its young characters and doing the right thing. Staying true to yourself. So this is a little bit about it. Let's see what L linked to the Ron tomatoes on it. Let's see like what week Bedia has on him. See came out in nineteen eighty nine is very it's a lot of lists one hundred minutes along its budget was sixteen million did twenty one million at the box office. I'm presuming did more. Guess it had a popular soundtrack. M Philly with some of the songs of not exactly sure there's one scene that cultural impact. Yeah. Culturally recognizable scenes in American music music history. Awhile James L Brooks was producer James L Brooks. I'm sorry. James holds a will. You know? I don't want to. Mess it up for anybody. But yeah, that's just a little he forgot why say something or something came. Let's talk about the term Tilton poker. Just because I wanted to dig into that spoke term for the seat of mental or emotional confusion of frustration. When a player adopts, a less than optimal strategy, usually resulting in the player becoming overly aggressive. It's also Cosa associated terms steam, it's an placing someone else until two important aspect which again can cause Bank. This episode to episode at the start of battle of the pinball or pool players. It is relative occur frequent occurrence shoot frustration or bad. Luck into suborned recognize if you're experiencing it in or if other people are worn origin of the word is reference to tilting pinball machine. Which causes players to like when you lose the Baltic caused people to thing was originally talked about people winning other games titles. So that's just a little bit about. I thought it was interesting because police clearly on it. Just wanted to link to have article in game rooms a Wicky about Dorn. Because I think that's like I always find Dohrn interesting just because it didn't get its on screen time. Maybe a will couple other links in there. But this is we'll get to more episodes left. And I think they're both super sized. Of course, we still have more time with Tom and impounds sin old guts in the new coming up here. I don't know why like saying that the unite dunk and the Lord alight. But I just get a kick out of that right here. We go. Ladies and gentlemen, boys girls said French beyond by an area. We this is Cape Town's radio wind up to your regular scheduled programing actually for regular scheduled program. It's time for another episode about Ben best friendship about a boy. And a k about a best friend in a best trend tales. So wis of best friends of best friends too hard boiled detectives in the big city. It's time for tomin impound say in the world of Newark shoddy a. A Cape bounce radio. The radio of cats and best friends everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. It was a day just like any other day as it would that. I talk about with will not like any other day because some days, I just you know, it was day Saboun tonight when on office in the back of sh Naushad, nays club super taking a bass on my desk. Look ahead two desk set gift renew wash short suppose, you taking a desk on my desk. Ballata don't chew man we that's right washer knee. He give me a spoke desk. Set bought a store in team of artists that hang into. But but I was sitting there suppose was taking a bath the clock ticking. We hit analog kulak regionally we had wind from submarine Noir. Chardonnay had giving me, but it had to be wound. And despite. Talking it out with multiple dulled figures in my life at that time. I just get a when I would do you would wind the clock with a key and I would wear too key round neck. It was a source of pride against him going off topic surrounds. Right him supposed to talk it out 'til feelings go free in so I but would consume thinking brought me pleasure to wind. The coack. In balmy too, much pleasure. So I ended up winding too much should be because they just couldn't in. So I learned a valuable lesson get o'clock with bad trae. So that's what we had. Now. Also, get a clock winding collec- you say, well, that's my pleasure clock. I wind it if a pleasure not keeping time in night is another listen, I learned through Naushad. Hey. Who said may maybe this could be over Asia clock in nice. Cry would understand. Malaysia karuk. They should. Oh, okay. Okay. But in someone else explained to me about selected so wind collect suppressor. Also, sometimes when a shout that people giggle. Which haven't learned to why would ditch what I do have may be still so lesson learned, but there was sitting there leisure on my mind when in the office walked in someone who took my breath away. We'll just to be clear in to she. She was she was cool. She was confident arise Italy cove, an ice hall in with spring sunlight on it in. She said Hello looking for time. And and in and she looked at me like she didn't know what to say. And it was like we were two strangers meeting for the teens time in the first time all together also ceiling Fain that was dramatically spinning with the. Shadow that would fall across my face. As much with my colleague turned and I had nothing to say. So I said nothing to quote, one of the Potman favorite books in. She. She she she was she was thinking what to say. When sounds. Can hidden behind the of the disk said about topped up from his bass. And she said, well, my who's this. Kind little fellow. In this issue. She was standing supense. Couldn't naturally. Hop into a lap. I said, well that's supports my best friend, MS nece spot ner in the person who knew my best friend to surmount, and she said, oh, suppose pleased to meet you been looking for to view in Siddhu here. We had to take your case until you're looking for something you trying to figure something out in. It's out there in the big city the answers. So let's go in does. She she almost sit something but then spousal walked out the door tail in the air in Yuzhou in his tales high in the air. You don't you know, you just instinctively close your mouth anyway because you seeing the back of soup bounce who say politely and also bounces Bastiat other than looking at the back of Saboun. Like when. Direct straight on view detail. Who when you're not looking directly at that. I guess you'd say, you were suppose strikes, cut suppose. So she she fouled surrounds up the stairs out of the office in into the streets in. I was there behind you. You know, it was the city. It was the afternoon, but it was a Feigen after noon when we walked outside shea. It was at city that city with a collection every wall very few of the clocks kept the same time. They all moved at the same pace all of them. Even the ones that have been leisurely overwhelmed or won't working twice today's Chicago. Actual right. Shea. So we worked through the city full of Kalac's. Everywhere a quick. Getting distracted. And I said to my you backdate took my breast away. There's something about you something confident to something comfortable. Would confidence did under is underlined by some sort of kindness in in in gentleness. But if that gave you on the answers, you wouldn't be here looking for support tonight. Would you now? She side negative L. We had worked to do. So took down one of my favorite spots in the city. The bespoke district where things are made by hand. It seems a made by Kraft with Bob L mustaches. Redeem dozen if you buy them, but there's also people lots of people with Bob L mustache. She's in many of the things top patch school. When things I've found you know that when I couldn't wind a coup act. That relaxes me helps me sink and cases churning butter. In we sent day, and we watched should bespoke butter China's churn, but enough from the cheese monger in the cheese maker Nath longer from the person who made candles for the candlestick cellar, it we're all working, but it was a steady movement steady Joan of the Buddah that I found similar in some way to some part of me is winding of collapses ceaseless is mother would say if she was a when I was winding collection. Have collect sure I grew up, but I could see mother would not be pleased. With me constitute how much how long can wind the clock now surrounds, no, which we watch. But a churning. In. We we didn't speak. We sent side by side of Fulham's touching every once in a while. We'd look at each other and look away and she had the smile. But again, I was should it was something I could help with. And I thought two churning was a place to stick suing moved on. But adjourning one of those things you don't really need to talk about Iraq. I mean, I don't understand it any either. But you know, the churn butter you could smell the, but also they brought over some butter and fresh shoe. They were doing salted mix in a regular mix in explained to us in why what made this where was sourced. But Sinn valley believe something. Is so gratuity. So it was it was old. So we enjoyed butter. Then we moved on what I'm saying is, you know, if you bought a churning in collect, you don't have to over think those things in Nick stab was who fathered away into the city to district pipes in steam into seeing Aliki leaky valves, get off gassing in in those things which display say girl to factory we went inside the factory news, nothing bespoke about it. It was mass. And it was churning something out. We were at the end of the product line when it came out, and it looked like, but a it tasted like, but some people say they couldn't believe was not. But a. Eboni new. Khazei known this where we're going all along. This was a modern factory. In a sit to you know, what this is. And she said she goes to she goes, it's like the butter butter churning. But without any of they said. I said it's a modern factory that would remind me of you moderan and she netted knowingly. Nice it. It's a ritual like butter, but it's not like it's net butter at all. And she said I said, let's go with who one more staff, and we headed to Bach Bokri will birds full people in a park well-known if of popcorn of all things old fashioned popcorn machine. In. It's another spot. Go to sit with bounce watches. The birds leaves him alone, just watches them. Now watch the popcorn and people with popcorn in the bump going being popped in made in we sent to regain do for different. Totally different of me that needs to watch the popping of popcorn and bought Amita enjoys about a churning in for what, you know, distant chicken way was boy, I never had these things to to learn. These pastimes watching but churning watching popcorn in popcorn. Eat is. Normally, I would try to emulate those things instead of enjoys them would just cover myself in butter in corn. And then try you know, I did do that. And my mother she never which so we were sitting. She said, she she, you know, this was a brilliant woman. Which she still couldn't put all the pieces of the puzzle to get a. You know, it was complicated for me. You see because I had feelings, but I was also working had feelings from the past had feelings into president. I had feelings wondering about the future. This was no time for my feeling shea. Indigo I said to myself out loud, and she can give me a quizzical smile. And she said Thomas. You. An unexpected. So seeing is expected they said you soon to be joined yourself with the wonder if you've ever had that opportunity, you know. You know, I may not seem like most caffeine Italy scaffold in person. But I've become who I am. Mikey it Tom, and Tom and your grace, which I you know, you would have probably been calling me that for a while. Would it became the person? I am I don't know of anyone that was a bone competent to. Had a Kuna snow maybe the wrong people that do that too. Sometimes maybe people have to do that, you know in do it. So well, it is real it's almost real within. Maybe they miss out on things. And she said like the module, even if you only had margarine or your buffoon that thinks tastes like butter. You missing out to unreal. Seeing. In will will. It's a loaded word, I say margarines real. It's just modern. But the each based on something else, you know, in news. There's bad butter believe me, and then we get some popcorn and we sought some more. And she said, it wouldn't how modern feels about being modern. And I said, well, you know, it's different people different than, you know. I don't know if it's a condiment, but a, you know, people are different than things you would keep in you frigerator, your icebox shish shea. They said, you know, modern is just Madre. It doesn't even have a choice. It's made and manufactured and she said butter churn butter goes on a journey. Nice. It continues on their journey, but we won't talk about that. We already saw the backside supports and that's enough of that for one afternoon in. She said, I think I understand like, you know, module constructed. It's confident that it's almost like butter in which she said it's formed in a ball. And do, you know do she goes to she goes and it works? In would it might not always be easy. Just be wild margarines really confident in his ability to be almost like butter, and I said, it would become more complicated. If we were talking about a modern family right in the expectations of a modern child to live up to the expectations of not, you know, having someone believe that the butter the not butter. In would if is they said you can make margarine holy game margarine baby margarine if you just did things right to you just listened to our wise counsel. Maybe the wise counsel was why say we'll Madras bed. A man it's easy to manufacture. We got a lot of good things going, and we we margarines love each other. It'd be tough. You know, that's a seductive thing to be, you know, but that's. And then we eat the popcorn and she patted my knee. And she said, this is nice. This is nice. He is sitting on the bench is about his inner lab this point. She was actually pitting with a kernel of popcorn which had done before will dry dry. This is none buttered popcorn. Even though we we did have some butted by going real butter Innis, another chef that's all we didn't get into the into discussion. In day. She she put a piece of popcorn in mouse. Not to win chew spending spouse was she gave that to a bird. Nice. It will boy, I'm not sure if I sit oh spurts lead anything but to. End she kissed me on my cheek. And she said, I think I'd like to be butter. In nice, you could be. But will you could be anything? You want to be now like Madre new have choice. You have the whole city. It's yours. It's yours. You know? And she said I excited. To be margarine in see would I become and she should wear what I find I should be in no Arshad nation. She said she actually started working just to spoil. She works in now. She's famous months, she goes by the name modern. But does she spotted me in popcorn ended lives? Another tale. You'd indication of south to by nightfall in about Cinisi went back to a ham, eight out of ten Cain natch Chad into the Shabbir show. Good night. The Breyer into the old Gad's in the new krone sucrose Miller Smith barky gesture hound dog guide 'em calling on the prayer phone. You know, when you need some pray. That's me calling in. Burn across universe to all of you to check in in JC updates on our summer camp. You know, we have to think of a name in past summer camp teams have been problematic thinking about a name is that represents us in thinking about what jobs you would will one guess make an assumption. You know asset, you know, AWS noon me, which which police work at the summer camp could asset of you because the whole purpose of summer camps designed so I'd spend time praising you or seeing, you know, so we don't lose touch in when we lose touch because we don't have game of thrones to go back to say, well, at least will have you know, camp crony pooh-pooh. Dench problematic. I know krone because you amusing you pooh-pooh is using the Campamento poo poo. It was an example of you know, why charred to come up with a camp name. I stay wosa camp ided krone. Do you? Remember, you should remember. But you hit I know I should remember krone of gadget was the thing lick you to be thinking about taking roles to camp. In maybe roles that maybe we take you to your Gat Bax in in you step into a new role because it'd be easy to curl. And for you to be the like, you could even have a house on the hill. Overlooking the holy camp. Where your browse for owed? And in your, you know, your creaking chair in, you know, checking things on backs is in saying things over maybe you could play both roles Curran like they could just be a massive role. You're playing for fun. Camp krone? Hear me krone hear me how because I I want to go beyond the tropes. But picturing assist could serve a role to keep kids behaving in. Maybe. Maybe the came story based like the camp krone store. Maybe have an adventure camper. Right krone. Oh krone. It do. So you're saying like an escape nanna scape room. But something like that the whole week that would be like adventure week. I think that would be a theme week. But a here you in the Ren Ren faire week. Oh, boy krone I can't wait for this camp now. So yeah. On those weeks, you would sit up there in. That's the camp Curran, she she knows all she watches. All that's why you do your best here to whatever this camps going to be called pooh-pooh in new so. In what role would you be where you would feel flourishing camp Koran? I mean, I know that won't you know, that's a role you've been putting before. Also, you know, putting this out. I didn't mention this last episode maiden. But you know, if you want, you know, Hanno, maybe there could be maybe this could be like a summer camp for grownups. Anyway, think about maiden or we could work to maybe we could we could take on the roles of to camp camp counselors. We're just just an idea. Evid mother Smith mother FIS in the warrior Nadda, you know, they can drop Gamper soft. It's it so crow new could do so they would be your your your stereotypical role. You know, just like get paid to an old gun new. But then maybe. What do we do? What if you could be like the camp gesture lake is cornball krone? I mean, I know it's your names. I can't Reich. It's really I gotta work with the head Connie cornball Conti in you could be became counselors always joking around in always good for a smile or cry. You know, when you're you know, kind of cheers you up, but you can cry inter shoulder. In you, do these roles that were saying, well gesture might be, you know, the magic show. Maybe you run the talent show. That's another thing. They usually have in they have to win week. Of course, like, I would like where you you try to be the twin, you know. I couldn't find anybody to let me be there to win the when I was a camp. 'cause they still had you know, I guess I was always who I was because they couldn't even head social interaction even back then trouble, which so was I sing. So you could be defunct camp counselor to then one day, they Chee what is it? You know, the story adventure week or story week. We'd find out that you're really living among us. Your God goddess living among us. Here with us say you can kinda the cornball, but you're also the krone up on the hill. So Miller that would put us in a position where you'd be the camp cook. If you if you were fitting into your west, Rosie type limited role, even though I can weren't originally God. And I said you should be. So what would you be? If you weren't. Just as a camp Cooke, which in most movies is an important role. I don't know about in in the regular ones and enough. There's a camp caretaker or to everybody throws. You know, all the counselors have to take turns cooking, usually you do each cabinet has to practice like has to do some chores. So they'd have to clean up or serving breakfast. So what other role would you be good at Miller grinding grain? You get tired with the head chilling. Okay. I like that. So instead of working you could be the beach bum the bra Barat in you to come on down to the beach and hang with me. I'm the beach in you could just chill at the say, and you swim. But don't you're in charge of swimming lessons, some counselor that certified is him mix like it. I like elect parole for you. You could have relax there could be quiet quiet time every day like hoop? Boy, you really are. You're tuned into me Miller. So yeah, everybody. I liked quiet time like maybe two or three o'clock. Everybody has to be quiet. You could take nap or chill and a hammock chill brought chill at the beach chill on the we could have a floating back. I like that where people relax. Sounds great. Sounds like time made no probably ten for me. New to hang may go for a walk in woods. Anyway. Okay. A smith. So I think we came up you'd be in charge of maintenance, and your forge and doing all as it would be do typical roles. In those important ones. Even in the movies. You know that character can be developed in. Usually only a few ways. Ever if you were afford, maybe like a gift to be hard as iron. Crafts. Okay. Well, that's pretty okay. Well, soft crafts, it say, you have to be 'cause you're so hard, you know, that we'd have to put you in soft crafts. So only things would Google his or smiley faces who falls plush puppets. Okay at lake. And now, I think that's it your craft. You know, I grew up with the crafty lady. She did all vers with good craft glue into tongue. Depress Shire's were popsicle sticks. Okay. They have pretty easy Smith. It makes sense. So I mean, Schoff graph. So. He would about some watercolors. Okay. Lake. Can can we do some boats some paper boats on the creek or the river great floating Lehner? Oh my goodness. Can at work and deposit in right now. Miller Smith's barky barky. So you'd be the trees you'd be treehouse you'd be the leadership, ropes course. The shade the swing. She also the council everybody can count on. It's really tall. They say well, just just ask Jenny. She she gets done, you know. Whatever when you count on somebody you can count on barky achey. So what would you be? If you weren't that. Barky? So you'd be 'cause we already can have usually your fun loving. Oh, enter okay. I like it a movie night 'cause you like movies, even though you don't return them movies under the stars star watching. Okay. Yeah. He think star watching all like watching stars pretending or movie cloud watching barky. I like it a. See hitter. Okay. Like kids can put on a play all boy barky this liquor drama. Or okay. Shakespeare, okay alike. It. So yeah, you you kind of be the campus being maybe. I lake to it really cuts down on the gestures jobs, but jester as so view, I gue- should be Barclays assistant if you were in your normal role. I guess you'd be more though, gesture you'd have a larger role, you know, just seems if I, but you there's also all the other activities so in your typical role you be in charge of all the things not just the jesting, but anything recreational which is what summer camp really is to get different games. It different sporting activities are true. Of course. Endothermic horseback. I mean, I guess we should have horseback riding because we're gonna have horse shoes or shoes tournament. For square dance ball may be. No, no. You know, how we feel about that? You know that other. So yeah, you'd be actively scored Enator whistle for sure that cap if you like it in the so what would you do if you weren't overseeing all the activities making sure everybody's having engaged in having fun. Who sow Terry? I like jester like someone like me that needs time alone. Start to teach people how to, cultivate, some alone and private time. So you encourage introverts to spend some time alone. But also extroverts. In courage. It is in steam building, healthy will bar, bark Irving? Sar gesture. This is why I know your God who stay my forget. But. So you'd cultivate, some downtime a little bit different than chill time will you could coordinate those things. Hike alone hikes. Okay. Shiloh thinking OSHA, maybe you two are kind of working together you, okay? Like this. It will how campus work interdependent rate, but some positive solitary time, I get you again. I am chap my chess suze, get it. At suggest or if I hound dog add now hound guide. First of all you'd be the one. I mean, your your stereotypical easy. You know, you're always seem like you're always selling over. You're always into grouchy mood. You seem like you don't like kids which really do love them or camp residents into bent. So I think it falls in the due to you being in charge of home-sickness. Right. Oh boy. 'cause you got such a tough exterior, which means you have a big heart too. So you would be into whole maybe even be camp council. Sears. She says to well needed certifications for all that. In. We don't do any full counseling. But you could be professionally counselor said that's something. That's optional therapist. What you could also be in charge of learning skills to help people cope with homesickness. Okay. Being charged. A letter writing like that postcards sending. You know deal. Okay. Dealing with those feelings of missing home for first time or not the first time. You don't know if they still have pay phones, you could be shared to pay phones. If that was his thing. Okay. Like a sending working with other camp counselors for sending craft soem. Okay. Ak? Oh, another oh, cave different skills building around those things really think you'd be good at. There should be someone in charge of home-sickness really believe that anything could be the purpose. Perfect one because people wouldn't suspect you would be able to. Maybe you've always been homesick. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #5: Eastwatch

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #5: Eastwatch

"Winter was here. But we are just getting started on the game of thrones or rewatch of season seven episode five east-west. And now here the two guys who are all hopped up on ferment. It crab. I am rob cicirino here with Josh Wigley. Josh our you turned on. I can't even hide it. I am just ready to go. Hours. You don't need to head on over to your favorite establishment before we get into talking about the fifth episode of season seven, it's hammer. 'time BB war hammer time as Gandhari aka Clovis is back after a long yada. And a lot of peace moving around setting up. Our big caper coming up next week as we are going to go hunting for a Walker white Walker. Yeah. White indeed. And we should say two weeks from now programming note for the people who are listening to this live. We won't be back next week. We're gonna take a quick week off. And we'll be back in two weeks. So heck of a cliffhanger to leave people on here with east watches. We are embarking beyond the wall with the east watch seven. Yeah. The east watch seven it's. It's all picking up as we are now really closing in. Is it going to be about one month till? Drop day for game of thrones. It's close it's really quite. It's March twelfth as we are recording. This probably March thirteenth as this podcast is dropping and game of thrones. Final season premier is April fourteenth. So Russian up to meet us here, we are getting dangerously close to the end of the line about ten weeks away from being all done with game of thrones K anything from the news with game of thrones this week Mercifully nothing so far Mercifully nothing. So far. I'm just chipping away at my final path predictions. Just posted are Sam well Harley final path on Sunday. Got the on grey joy coming up here. Coming up next on on final path T H R dot com slash game of thrones the struggling a little bit with the theon one to be candid just not much to say. Like, there's there's always a section for unresolved mystery for these characters, and I don't really know what the unresolved mystery is with Dion is. He is he going to be like a real guy, and like, you know, save his sister's you're going to continue to be scared of everything or what what's going to happen. I think that there's any real mystery to unlock with John so open to suggestions. If you have it. Didn't you one point theorize? He was going to castle black. Yeah. I guess that's on there. Maybe Nightwatch going to exist after the final season the game of thrones. I feel like some version of it ought to have everyone's lucky enough to survive. I think the Nightwatch deserves what are they doing? I mean, if they defeat the night Shing and his army sure that that stays the case Brad is no Wild Wings. The wall comes down. Like, what are they going to rebuild the wall? They all up litter. They really just have to rebuild part of the wall. Frankly, you know, we'll see in a couple of episodes from now and we get to the season seven for now. It's a big hole in the wall. But it's not the whole wall the walls still there. They just they got to repair some of it. I don't know. I don't think theon is gonna make it out of this thing alive as my current probably a hero's trying this. Yeah. And he's going to neurons going to do the thing and the on's going to feel like he he accomplished something. Then he's going to die in. That'll be that we talked about last week. I liked it. When you're on was doing like a theon impression. Oh, so scared. Yard. Did you see that? When your brother was like being a little baby. God you're onto the worst. So let's get into this episode, which there was a big cliffhanger last week. I don't know if you remember it looked like Jamie laster, my drown eight did look like Jamie, Lancaster, might drown. He was in a bad way. He was he was sinking to the bottom of the lake pretty quickly very quickly. He looked like he was about the, you know, hit the bottom of the lake, but no he was fine. Bronze right out. Yeah. What's these cliff hangers that are just resolved? So neatly. Yeah. So so Jamie system Braun. Hey you coulda killed me. Yeah. And bronze like, no, you know, you could've killed yourself. And that would have been really bad for me. You try to fight a dragon bronze logic. There of like, it would have been worth me getting incinerated by dragon fire because the whole past several years would have been literally for nothing, and I may as well just be incinerated. You have to give me all the money that I am. He also says dragons, that's it like if if you're still going after the dragon Queen I'm out I'm not going to let this be a problem I've dealt with a lot. But I'm not doing dragons. That's where the deal ends. Right. And you're not getting killed by a dragon only, I get to kill you. That's the you me. You don't get get the easy way out of getting a into burn you alive with fire. So let's go tell, sir. See the jig is up the jig up. That's the that's the over. There's there's nothing more to fight here. So that's bronze deal. That's the that's the that's the picci's making sewing, Jamie. If you have to go and deal with sir c and tell her that the war's over you may as well just want to jump back. Okay. So we Tyrian walking around through the ash of the burned Lancaster forces. This is a tough thing for Tyrian to have to the destruction. On the battlefield that. He helped preside over. Yeah. It's like it's post in Finnity war, and he's walking through the ashes of all these people who've been snapped out of existence very dramatic as he is seeing all these dead bodies that are totally fried and deniro kinda just presiding over everybody like the war Queen that she is in this moment. And I think for the first time Tyrian, maybe not feeling like remarkably great about backing deniro's. So Danny is going to hold court over all of the captured Lancaster and high guard forces that are out there or Charlie forces. Are they are they are high guard voices or their old Darrell defeated the rebellion forces done? Yeah. Yeah. The people of the reach the verge on high garden people, but also the Lancasters for sure. Yeah. And so is like look, I know what you heard about me, not some monster. That's gonna come in. You know, burn everybody alive and destroy your cities had to do this. He thing right here. But you know, like, just bend the knee. And they'll be no more of this. Not everyone is down to bend the knee Randall and dick on have no interest. Yeah. And so you you in the front step forward. Randall Charlie says, I already got a Queen. What's your Queen got to do with me? You know, I gotta Queen and Randall Tara Lee at this point he needed some arm twisting to turn on lady Alanna, and yet it is literally facing down the barrel of dragon gun, and he is not willing to turn on seriously Lantis. I don't know if that speaks towards Randall's stubbornness or deniro lack of ability to close the deal hard hard to tell exactly what's going on here or Tyrian for that matter not being able to convince either of these people to back down. I think everybody on the board. Here is just remarkably stubborn and Tyrian is just fairly ineffective in this moment. I picked up on a little tinge of the Zina phobia from Randall tar lead that like the Iraqi savage is being brought here in two zero proper. So a hat got knocked off on the battlefield somewhere. Right. So maybe. If it was just a denarius targe Aryan, and we didn't have everything going on with the rocky and even unsullied than maybe could change. But you know, he's going to stick with the people that were from west rose, western I. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's that's unfortunate. And so they're talking about maybe he could take the black Tyrians trying to talk are out of what she is planning right here. Yeah. But then Randall tar like, I'm not taking the black and tears just bark. So he's not even gonna take the lifeline here. The narrow is not going to imprison people. She is we, you know, various track record is anti chains. Does not want to see anyone in chain. So she'll just incinerate the guy. Yeah. And then dick onto what about me. You're gonna have to kill me. If you kill my dad and random like, Nope. Yeah. Dick, dick on this move. From Charlie is about as dumb as the entire first season of the umbrella academy. It's just a very bad choice all around and tearing this is bad. This is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. And they say, no, no, it's gonna do. Yeah. Ran eventually kind of relents because he doesn't really have a choice narrow is. She means when she says, she at the very we she's not going to be head. Anybody turns like, listen if you start beheading entire families. It's like, oh, no. Who said anything about beheading anyone burn them alive? She's gonna burn them alive. Dragon fire. Yup. And so. Drogue on has like amazing like pinpoint accuracy that deniro's could just say truecar's, and like he knows like immediately who oh like like he didn't accident Li like go after the whole like all the prisoners or anything like that. He knew. Yeah. Yeah. I mean drogue gun into narrow variants think these days, I think that they're they're connected. They're bonded drogue on knows what to narrow wants and he acts, according even point to them. It's just like boy, that's a well-trained dragging very well trained dragon. Yes. That's a wrap for Randall in dick on tar Lee and still to be determined. How Sam while we is gonna react all of this talk about it a little bit in this episode of the gar whose brother and dad got burned to bits, but Sam himself as not discovered this news and in the final season. You got imagine. He's gonna find out pretty quickly when he meets it winter fell curious to see how that's going to play out. No love lost between him and his father. But this might be a little early and while a sad ending for Randall in dick onto arly all of the captured Lancaster's soldiers immediately been the knee to Queen diverse. I mean, it's affected in the moment. But you do wonder like how effective will it be long-term? How effective is it going to be in the grand scheme of things if this is the way that the Narus plans to rule I think we should take note of Tyrians concern, if Tyrian add a lot of times is. Is like an avatar for us. Right. Where you know, he's supposed to be the level headed guy in the room. If he's concerned about this. I thought we should be concerned as well. Right. And you know in hindsight for Randall in dick on Tardelli like we don't think that the Lancaster soldiers are fighting for Dinares now. Right. I think that these people are probably now part of the crew would I would expect to do. She's army the land who's gonna fight against whatever sell swords brings in and they're gonna fight for deniro's law. I think that whatever is left. I think that the people on the battlefield here are probably now part of the tar Gary unfold how otherwise they're all dead. Like, they're not just getting released. They're not just getting sent and drove under leave. Yeah. They have. I mean, they have to found some way to enforce this. That's ridiculous. If they haven't it doesn't matter if the Lancaster army is torched or not because it's the golden. Is on its way. And that's going to be the thing to fear that still Lancaster army be interesting to see if we see these like, Lancaster red cloaks out there who they're fighting for and Sharon. Yeah. Noah syndergaard. You don't think had shearing torch to you? Now. He's fine. Okay. All right. Jamie is going to come back home. And that he is going to give the report to sir c. Yeah. They lost a lot of men not a full accounting yet. They've got a lot of money, which is good. But Jamie is trying to tell Sirsi listen. I just saw that go down the doth rocky or insane. And they've got dragons jammed the gigantic ask crossbow that you built. It's nice didn't work not enough. Not enough. So we probably can't do this, sir. C and seriously saying, well, what's the alternative, Lancaster? You killed her dad, and I'm terrible. Like, we're not going to be allowed to live. We if we've been to the knee here. So certainly says well, it doesn't matter. We got gold. We'll get some mercenaries with the iron Bank. That'll be that'll help. And Jamie is no you don't get it. You don't get that. She has a trag in we are out gunned here and. Source. He's like, no, you don't get it. Yeah. Maybe you could get our brother to he's being kind of mocking in tone. And maybe he could be a makeup for killing our son, and our father Jamie says, no, no, he didn't vigneault. You saw the crossbow. He didn't kill Joffrey. It was a lenna. She just told me answers like oh, cool. And you just like really peacefully poisoned her to death. That's very sweet of you. She killed our son and you just like euthanized. Her right? Yeah. And then Jamie able to convince a pretty quickly. She's like, no. It wasn't hardly. No, no, listen to this. Like, if you were lenna, wouldn't you when you want Marjorie married to Thomas and notch offer who was a real peo- s like, right? That makes sense, right? Yeah. I guess so. They quickly get off the subject. Yeah. Because the more important thing is like we're gonna die here. If we don't be your something out were toast. So we got a bigger something out. Yeah. So don't worry about a lenna. She's dead. And we don't find a way out of this war. We will follow them to death, and sir. See I think we get a really concise worldview here from Sarah say, she says, okay? So our options are we fight and die or we submit in die. I know my choice a soldier should know his. So if we're going to die, you the way why are we giving up? Yeah. Well, you know, she's she's the one who has the the line of the series. Frankly, you know, when you play the game of thrones you win or you die. There is no middle ground. So if winning is off the table, then it sounds like they're going to die. And if they're gonna die do you dive just resignation or do you die still trying to fight to win? She wants to fight to win. Yeah. Okay. So make sense makes sense. Okay. We see Danny return back to dragon stone, and John snow is going to get buzzed by drogue on landing in front of him and John snow. Little startled at first. But he is going to reach out and pet progun gone on the nose and drug on seems to like, yeah. Literally on the nose letting us know that Jon snow is a target area. He's got he's got the dragon blood coursing through his veins here. Yeah. And so Jon compliments her dragons. And she says that they are not beasts as John snow said there are her children. And we get the update and he says, well, I have less enemies than I did yesterday. It was pretty cool. You should see. There's a lot of fire now is kind of scary. But everything else is pretty good. Yeah. And they almost get into the, hey, remember windows said that you got a knife through the chest. What was what was that all about jazz? I don't listen to him. He gets very he gets carried away, sir, visitor like, okay? It's giora. Jawara's back. That's right jor more month. Freshly cured of grey scale. He's got like Jack Nicholson in the shining hair going on in this moment. Windy dragon stone this Gary windy, very windy. He looks like he has spent a fortnight at the overlook hotel is kneeling before denarius ready to to return to her service. And she gives him a big hug, so she's she's fairly. Fearless. Meanwhile, back at winter fell. We're going to see a brand sending out some are ravens on a scouting mission sends them over the wall. They find the night king. And they are scared. Yeah. You know, it is not impossible that when the three eyed raven once told brand stark, he said, you will never walk again, Brandon, but you will fly the flight is this him flying this count. Maybe so. Underwhelming. It will be very underwhelming. If this is all the flying that brand stark does and he doesn't work into a dragon. If that doesn't happen. It's going to be very very very frustrating like technically three eyed raven will have been right don't even put this thought out into the just have to you have to consider it as a possibility going back through this season. I'm really enjoying season. Seven of game of thrones. I'm having a really fun time. Rewatch ING and rewatching again having binged watching it again in such short order and inept sewed by episode order. I feel very good about where we are heading into the final six episodes brand start working into a dragon would be the center of my bingo board. But if they really wanna screw us over they could just say, yeah. Well, he flew in the ravens that happens does not count. You should make the game of thrones. Bingo board. Bingo, boy, the graphic design skills to do it. But if someone wants to team up with me reach out. Okay. All right. So we go to the citadel and see the Maistre 's got some some hot gossip coming in. Josh that we are hearing about like this one from may stir Walkin who's this go what a hack he is something about a boy saw ravens and the army of the dead beyond the wall. Probably fake news fake, news and deed and Sam is nearby. And he's he's overhearing all of this. And here's the description of the quote, unquote, crippled boy who has seen dead men on the March beyond the wall. And Sam knows who that is that's brand stark he understands and he believes if brand stark is telling us that the Nike is on the March, we need to hear what he has to say and the Mazars. All look at Sam and burst out laughing because they think he's an idiot. You are an idiot, and you need to keep doing more of this meaningless work, and Sam doesn't really have sort of like, a Daniel son, and Mr. Miyagi relationship with the Maistre it's not like displaying waxing on and off for a long time in the first episode, right? Like, there is no plan here in terms of what the Maistre are teaching Sam as far as I can tell the may have no plan at all. Like, they're they're move is to do nothing. That's their move. Yeah. All right. So Sam ultimately going to storm out and the Maistre is talk about how like, oh, that's the poor guy that his dad and his brother got burned by the dragon's, right? Yeah. Don't tell them that. Yeah. Really rough stuff. Okay. All right. Varis interior are going to talk about some of this trepidation Tyrian is feeling and there's not a loving it. Either about seen this before from Gary and ruler. Yeah. Yeah. He's been here before. I also have Barry starts drinking with Tyrian. I don't think we don't really see various drinking much. I imagine that like he's a lightweight here. Majid him getting pretty instantly rocked. He's talking to cheer in his leg. I'm target is this this is there is no good job. Can't trust her I drunk western history would be fun. Some version of that has to exist already. I think so I think some of YouTube search so. Tyrian tells are doing did not her father embarrass gives them reassures him. Like, no, she won't be now with right counsel to make her listen to you. If you're if you're here, if you're listening, if she's listening to you, I feel good about about the future of west coast. But if she's not taking your advice, then we're we're in a little bit of a bad way seems to be the subtext we find out that various drinking because apparently there's very bad news for the king in the north and Varis is not a fan of what's in what's whatever's in the letter here, but we're gonna find out pretty quickly. What's in there? Okay. So we're going to be in the war room. And we have the update that same one that the Maistre seem to have gotten about how the army of the dead is marching towards each swatch. Yeah. It's a little bit of a more personalized note. Because John is also getting news that not only is brand alive. Aria? Is back in winter Velez. Well. Out that. Yes, john. I need to go home. I gotta go home. He's did you just get here. Very scared of what's going on back there. The the plan quickly becomes. Well, maybe like we could get everybody to stop fighting this war if we can get everybody to believe that the white walkers are real and Tyrian is talking about his sister. Maybe we can convince her that this is a real thing. But how could we do that? Got capture as ambi-, bro. Yeah. This isn't get more pushback in the room. Everybody seems to have gotten on board with this pretty quickly. Pretty quiet everything that's happening dragonstar, and it's happening fairly swiftly. Unless you want to believe that this has been, you know, they've all been hanging out for a few weeks, which I'm fine with I like that. I think like after a few weeks of hearing John snow saying say the same stuff over and over and over again, you know, some of the details, he's probably giving them. I think eventually you come to believe like these guys are not liars. Maybe a little dumb a little daft these northerners, but they are not liars. They're honest people. So after a while, someone is smartest. Narration the council that she keeps eventually these people like oh, man. I think I think they're probably right about the water thing. We've probably gotta deal with that. Do we ever get Varis? Come to Jesus moment with the white walkers and the night king sort of like another character in the story who detests all things magic seems that he might be a little bit more of a skeptic about this. Not yet as far as I can tell. I mean, he seemingly on board with everything going on here. He's entertaining everything he's talking about how you know. You're going to you're going to try and convince sir see about all of this. Like, I think it's a mistake. But I mean, he's playing out the scenarios. I think bears is going to find out for sure that this is legit soon enough. So okay. So I mean, he obviously has an understanding that magic is out there in the world. So he's not one of these skeptics that thinks that there's no such thing as sorcerers. I guess he's seen it all already. So this isn't the hardest thing in the world for him to imagine. So I think so we'll bring a white Walker back. And then we also have to make sure that he's going to grant us an audience and not murderer us the moment that she shows. How could we do this Tyrian will take care of that? He'll take care of that. Megan if he can get into king's landing, we we finally we've got some use of the onion. Knight yield smuggler. He's got some tricks. Yes. Davos is a smuggler he can smuggle Tyrian in. But he's not a fighter. They run into any trouble from the gold cloaks that's going to be. I love how often Davos has to remind. I'm not much about fighter. He really doesn't want opening tips. Yeah. So my father has the worst handshake of anyone I've ever encountered in my life. It is really horrible. It's like, it's like shaking dead fish. It's terrible. It's cold. It's clammy. It's week. It's awful and after years of weathering it and just like feeling terrible about it. I finally confronted him on said, why do you have such a bad handshake? You have to know your handshake is awful. And he said it's because he doesn't want anybody to expect anything from him. They want people to not have to expect anything. If you have a terrible handshake knowing expects anything from you know, one's going to depend on you. He wants to keep people's expectations very low, and I feel like 'Davis talking about how he's not a fighter and saying it with repetition is similar whereas like don't expect anything for me because we're going to be very surprised in the instances where does have to fight much as with the battle the. Where he was totally serviceable and fine. So you gotta get those expectations low dead fish handshake style. Well, that's a great story. Yeah. Yeah. So Davos is going to smuggling Tyrian that's gonna be the move. We're also going to get Giora is going to go north of the wall. He'll go do that. Hey, I have nothing else to do. I haven't even unpacked yet. I'm ready to go. Yeah. Really giora. And he's okay. He's up for it. And the free folk will help us too. So that's good. They won't follow, sir. Giora and John's won't have to and John snow is going to go to Johnson Johnson on the plan. He's going to lead the charge north of the wall to find a white and Dabo's doesn't like this plan. John's but king in the north is not a Knight's watchmen anymore. He can't just be going willy nilly beyond the wall. But he is gonna do it. Because this is the right thing. You knows how to fight him. He's the only one who does. And he's got business to attend to not benching Danny is not thrilled. I haven't given you permission to leave and Johnson. I'm not asking. I don't need you position on the king. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. On really buying his own height. Pretty quickly. Yes. Okay. So he's leaving. He's off. He's going to do it. And that's the that's the plan. I mean, I do like his whole sales pitch put my trusted you. You're strange. I knew it was the best chance right people. Please trust a stranger in return. And she's like hard to fault that logic. That makes sense. Yeah. Another angry city council meeting going on at winter fell. Yeah. Yon Roy's whatever reason. Yeah. They're complaining about why did the king in the north leave us. We just made him king in the north. Yeah. Seems to be in on Santa Santa's really trying to explain everybody. Like John's doing his best for John to come back. Nobody wants to nobody wants to hear it. Yeah. But most of all aria is giving Sansa the stink is she doesn't like how stanzas handling all this. So here we are. Now, we're really we're really starting to get into it. Right. Like, this is probably correct me if I'm wrong, I think that this is the most maligned aspect of season seven is the infighting between Santa and our and the fact that the stark sisters are not on the same page seems like REO starting to feel maybe a little murderous towards her big sister and Santa's not appreciating where aria is coming from aria doesn't like that. Santa's just allowing these people to insult Jon snow while John is gone. She thinks that Santa's to him vicious that. She has her I on the throne, and Santa doesn't think that aria has any idea what she's talking about. And it's going to lead to these narrow where it seems like we're to be believing that Arias going to try and kill Sansa, obviously that would. Ever happen. But why are we even spending any time on this? Detour is it as bad in the rewatch as it was at the time so far for you. Yes. Because it doesn't make sense still. Are we supposed to believe? So this is all real real f r f r that we had everything going on here with Sansa and aria little finger is playing them against each other. As we'll see later on the episode where looks like he gets aria to fall into one of his traps. And then at the last minute brand is able to shut enough light on the situation that then aria in Santa get on the same page, or are we to believe that they are scamming little fingers the whole time and that they are having fights with each other in rooms by themselves. The as part, okay? Yeah. It's got to be the first thing. It's gonna be the first thing that there. There's actual agitation here. I think that both Santa. And are you have a lot of reasons in their lives to be very angry? Very damaged looking for somebody to blame. And I think for Santa all for family reunions. So far have been so pleasant and have been so surprising in in. How certainly at least the one with John surprising in the warmth that she has received that to see our back here somebody who she had a frosty relationship with to begin with acting the way that she's acting in a time. That's very stressful is a figurative and potentially literal needle in the side that she does not need. I for aria somebody who has been away from all forms of warmth in humanity for so long. Now, she's struggling very hard to fit back in. And she has this very house of black and white view of how things should go. When it comes to the Starks that family, I you know, sort of in that Randall tar, we mold of like, it's all about us primarily, it's the pack. And everybody else is secondary. And how could you possibly be even thinking about speaking negatively about John? So I understand where the conflict is coming from for both of these characters, but the scenes are unpleasant. I think that the no one likes watching these characters going at each other the way that they are. And it's you know, it's resolved in a way, that's so confusing that it causes these scenes to kind of play confusingly as well. Right. Even the Sansa in John scenes that we talked about from last season in in their reunion. You know, Sansa, and John would sort of but heads, but sort of at the end of every conversation that there would be some sort of like, you know, you're right. I should listen to you. Right. I'm so happy that you're that we're back together. And we don't get any of that with Sansa aria in these scenes, there seems to be like some genuine disdain after everything they've been through all the family members. They've lost that they're back together, and you know, adage other's throats because of this like pal. Alice intrigue at winter fell. Yeah. Yeah. I think a degree. I think some of it is understandable for the characters. It's just it's unfortunate to watch. And I think it's it's portrayed in a kind of clumsy sloppy way. I do think that this is the weakest material in season seven. Okay. All right. So we're going to head over to the beach. Landing. Yeah. And here we go. Dabo sin teary are going to park on the shore. And they're going to go their separate ways and Tyrians. Hey, just gonna leave the boat here. What happens to somebody takes the boat and says, well, then we're screwed. Yeah. He says it would be weird. And it's very funny. Yeah. And they have another great moment when they're landing on the beach to Tyrian is back in king's landing for the first time in season forty says the last time I was here. I killed my dad with a crossbow and was the last time. I was here you killed my son with. Wow. A lot of a lot of a lot of reasons for grudges between these characters on on this show. Yeah. There's a lot of that. Especially when we get to the last couple of minutes as a lot of like, hey, you did this to me this to me. So we're getting the fast version of that with all these characters here in the endgame. Okay. Ron is going to be leading Jamie down into the dungeons beneath the red keep for a little bit of some sparring practice and Jamie's like this is weird is at my birthday. Why you do why acting strange Epping day? No, it's not it's surprise though. Hey, it's Tyrian Tyrians here for the sake of the surprise of the scene. We the audience are robbed the first reunion of Tyrian in Bron, which is a which is a real shame. Like had it added Tyrian arrange this. We never get to find out which is kind of sad. Okay. And so. We see Jamie interior and back together. And Jamie is not thrilled. No, he doesn't like this at all. He hates Tyrian. The last time he parted ways with Tyrian. And it seemed like it was going to be fine. And then Tyrian killed their father and Jamie promised. He would cut him in half the next time. He saw him and he wants to make good on that. Here return is trying to talk some sense into Jamie. Yes, I think it helps that Jamie does not seem to have a real sword has only the sparring sword. Terraces that would take a minute. If you want to do that Tyrians Stratton explain like, you don't understand. He's gonna execute me. I was innocent. Let's cut to the chase here. What are you? What do you want? I think this is a sad part of Tyrians arc that comes up again later in the season when he sits across from, sir. See is he's really trying to get his siblings to understand where he's coming from into like acknowledged that he had it rough growing up that he was always on the wrong side of his father for reasons that were completely beyond his control. And neither of them have any interest in hearing on this is just like this. Wound that he is going to have to learn how to how to live with the idea that he'll never get it resolved the way he wants it resolved. Very sad. Really sad frontiersman. Yeah. Tyrian tells Jamie how deniro gonna win the war. You have to see it our way, but she is willing to suspend the hostility of sir c agrees to something. Yeah. And Jamie says if you want seriously bend, the knee Askar yourself and Tyrian says that's not what she wants. At least not right now, she has some more urgent business. Ask you meanwhile, over in flea bottom DAV Osaze heading over to the blacksmith shop, and he finds somebody that we have not seen in many years on game of thrones. It's the return of Kendari Gandhi's back back again. Yes, he he's he's he's been he's been gone from game of thrones for as long as he was on game. Thrones. Maybe even longer at this point time-wise was longer this first three seasons and then dilly-dallied with four five six seven. Great line from Davos talking about what injury was up to. I thought you might still be rowing. Yeah. He he's been reading the blogs. He knows what people are saying. Yeah. Okay. Have a laugh and. Basically, Dabo sues asking Genry to join them and genners like, yes, sure. I'll leave right now. Like close the store. Let me let's get out of here. I've been waiting my whole life. Let's go. Yeah. Iraq. Semi Esco Innis. Get it move from Ganji here who just wants to get out of here. Get be at of king's landing. I've been making weapons for the Lancasters. All this time. I've been making weapons for the people who killed my family. Every time. I swing this hammer. I just want us mash into some Lancaster faces which explains the eagerness in just a moment from now. Yeah. All right. So okay, let's get out of here. And so they are going to take gantries giant war hammer, Allah, a Robert breath. Ian, Bobby Bobby B, and they're going to head out to the boat and about to make a clean get-away just have to wait for Tyrian. Oh here comes to of the gold cloaks, and here's riff raff over here show. Yeah. What do you got there? Air for Menton crabs. I can smell from premier. Yup. So generous war hammers in the boat. They like throw the the like blind. Get though is that a sentence sheet that's covering the fermented crab in the. Xanten sheet, and they the row that over the war hammer and says, oh, look at this ferment, it crab. Yeah. It gets you going going. Also, I up that actually Davos bribes the guys that he's done this before I don't know if he tried to do a low ball offer on the negotiation of five gold dragons, but it's fifteen a piece for those guys. And then they come over to look at what Voces smuggling and w. The fermented crab is quite the Afridis EAC and the the local brothels they use this to really boost the business. Yeah. Parily that's the stuff. And these guys like, oh that sounds that sounds pretty good awesome. Take a by. Apparently, they like it. Right. So okay. So they seem. You know, interested in what dolls has their when did Davos get the fermented crabs? What I wanted to also do you think that the fermented crab might have been a placebo? Maybe I like we said I took them at the start of the podcast, and it's been hot blooded the always through. So it's working. Yeah. Okay. Devil says alright hurry over to your favorite establishment put a hole in that chain mail. Doha's really might be my favorite character. Yeah. So much great. And then Tyrian ends up walking out like walks past the gold cloaks, and it's a little like of a comedic moment with a gold closely. Hey dwarf, wait what? And then like, oh, don't try any more because. Wait to see the first hits you, and then we're going to start to get into it with Tyrian and Genry knows. It's go time. Yeah. It's time and he's picks up the hammer and just smash these people to bits Nile these phases destroyed phases hour like okay. Let's go. All right. So we go back to the red keep and we see, sir. See is you know, once again meeting with Khyber, n- Khyber and always here. He's he's helping out. Yeah. The hand of the Queen. He's her guy. Okay. All right. Sourcing knows that Jamie went to meet with Tyrian. Yes. She does everything takes it. Well. Sheetings Braun needs to get a demerits. Yes. Punishment for Braun for betraying Jamie again. But certainly knows everything and that she is on board with the accommodation of the dragon Queen yet could be in our immediate interests. She's got the numbers to numbers game to beat her. We gotta be clever. A minority. Split vote is what she's thinking. Yes. So as as a bad actor, she is very much in favor of the face to face summit with the denarius to buy her some more time placid movement. Good plan. Good plan. Just these are scary stories that they're slinging about right now about dead men and dragons and dragon queens terrifying times if you can buy yourself a little bit of extra time to figure out what the heck is going on do that makes sense. You know, you've got to get the golden company here too. So that's going to take a minute. So by your time. All right. But I see has another bombshell to drop on Jamie. She points more golden company on the way, check this out. Look at this this baby baby in here, the OB. Yep. Jamie's little say is the father you silly. What you silly Billy? You're. The dad. Yeah. And remember what what are dad used to say about the people? Lie into not concern himself with the opinions of sheep, unless the lion thinks, he's sheep like Lambert, the sheepish lion. That's a whole different story. Great story, though. Okay, sir. Sees baby. How big of a deal? Should we be thinking about this going into season h us? Yeah. I mean, I've had a lot of thoughts on this. I think that sir sees pregnancy is likely to be a big deal for the resolution of her character. I think it is a point in favor of her ultimate survival of potentially being imprisoned, but the baby surviving, but that's just because of the instinct of game of thrones isn't going to kill a baby. Like, they're going to kill a pregnant woman. And then you have lash Bax to the season two premiere where they killed a baby and the red wedding where they killed pregnant woman. So is that enough to to buy, sir? Seattle a fatal fate. I don't think so alternately I think I've speculated. Little bit that that servcies pregnancy could could play into the aria stark and game. We don't need to fully relitigate that here. But I think that that could that could actually have some impact on how things might land for aria. And I think for Jamie who has been speculated to for a long time now to to close out this prophecy of the Vallon car, which is a younger sibling in in Valerian that Jamie has been speculated as the person who's going to kill, sir. Syed some day. I think that him becoming not just the king slayer, but the Queen slayer and potentially killing his own child as a result would just add to the insane tragedy of Jamie, Lancaster. So this is a very loaded thing heading into the final season. I'm not entirely sure how it's going to play out. All right. Let me throw a wild theory could leaser see die in childbirth. As sir. Sees own mother died when she gave birth to Tyrian allegedly. And then technically I mean, if it's Jamie's child would that be a resolution to the prophecy? Yeah. I think that that could work, and you could also interpreted as this is the youngest of the of the children that she adds the youngest sibling there. Yeah. I could see that. That'd be crazy. That'd be while hidden it just in case, Jamie. We've sort of seen him never really have a relationship with any of his kids that we sort of had like those seen that he had with Marcella right before she died, and then only a brief scene or two with Tomen. Is it possible that, you know, Jamie coud go onto a raise the baby after the fact not impossible. I it's hard to imagine a happy ending for Jamie, Lancaster, that would be the closest one that I could think of, but he's just he's in such bad way with his loyalties to the Lancasters and the the white Walker war coming and his whole allegiance to, sir. See that target imagine. How he how he ever finds himself in the good graces of deniro star Garin, for example or the Starks which sides at the end of the season. Yeah. But not no. That he pushed brand out a window yet. You know, what's what's going to happen? Once that comes to light. So there's there's a lot of unresolved questions. I love the idea of like Jamie and his newborn son like going off into the world. Like a like, a new age lone wolf and cub blown lion. Cub. I think would be one. I don't know. It'd be it's certainly on the it's on the board. I wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked now that you've put that out there in the university. I think it's a it's a decent theory. I think it's pretty good actually. Okay. Davos has a great scene here with Gandhari where votes basically tells Genry that we're gonna go meet up with Jon snow, and he says the kings got a lot on his mind. And he's he doesn't need to be worried about you. Your name is Clovis. You are just a blacksmith, and you are coming to pay respect before he goes off to winter fell. And injury says okay, got it Clovis. Just the blacksmith. Understood. Got it. One hundred percent, of course. Yes. Yeah. And he meets John snow and says, hey, John, this is Clovis and quotas. Yeah. Just kidding. I'm getting I'm rob for the bastard, son. Yeah. Equa? This is not real. Little andrea. Clovis field busted. That's not happening. I'm gandhari. Bobby was my dad. Yeah. The funny exchange where John says, you're a lot leaner says your lot shorter kit Harrington shade. Yeah. No. I think that that's fine. Kid Harrington has a lot going for him. I think he can handle the height humor, especially it's like baked into the to the show. That's fine. These guys are like best friends video. Yeah. Okay. So they hit it off. And we both have heard stories about that. And again, re is up for the battle. He has a war hammer you can handle himself Dabo says he's a fighter. He's good at fighting. Not like me, I'm bad at fighting. But he could do it. Says like. Nobody mind me all I've ever done is live to a ripe old age. Yeah. And he says he says it's better to be a coward for a minute then dead for the rest of your life more of that dead dead. Fish handshake logic. Okay. So we see Tyrian with Giora, and they have a little bit of a reunion. It's nice. I like these two together. I think it's fun Tyrian saying, this is the coin Mr. echo gave us and is gonna is gonna pay us for the rest of our lives. So I want you to take this. And I want you to bring it back to me. So that you can you can make it back here in one piece. That's very nice. If you okay, and Danny is going to have a good bye with John. Yeah. And John's it's sweet where John says the good news. If I don't come back. You don't have to deal with the king and the north anymore. But I like the king of the north. Yeah. Okay. John wishes deniro's good fortune in the wars to come classic. Classic goodbye. What we say all the time to each other. When we off the podcast that we don't record when Robin. I got off the line. All right. So John is off with with Joe Giora. Yeah. All right citadel. Sam is a. He's cracking. He's he's he's pleased displeased the whole thing. He doesn't like that. He's getting shut out by the Mace tres. He's really seeing red to the point that he's not even really listening to Gilly who is reciting all this information from all these books that she's reading about the highest septum Maynard's, bowel movements, and annot mints and prince Ray, Gars and omits and Sam cuts her off. And if he hadn't he would have gotten some key information a little bit sooner than he ends up getting it. Yeah. Classic. Sam 's planning everything to Gilly. Meanwhile, she has all the information or right in front of our. Yeah. Go is the Princess who was promised, right? Sam ultimately is going to crack he is tired of the Mace tres not doing anything. He's going to go to the library. And then just steal all the books and take Sam Gilliam, then just get the heck out of there. Get out of there. Yeah. They're done. They're going to act to the northeast finished. Okay. All right to read about the achievements of becherman. He wants to be one of the better men. Okay. Let's go back to this. Frustrating REO story line a little bit of cloak and dagger going on. I mean what what's there to say? This is a scene where REO Bolers little finger around for a bit. And then he kind of leads into a room where she finds. She finds out some stuff she that, he's planted. He wants her to read letters and things and then he's secretly watching her. The whole time reset finger has he had gone, Royce go and and track down, and yeah, I mean, it's it's what. Answer wrote back in season one after Ned God captured and Santa's trying to get everything to be resolved. Neatly father's been charged trees in and you need to bend the knee, and you need to help everything going on otherwise dad's gonna die. This is what she was pressured into writing when she was a kid and little finger. If our reads are going to be pissed and try to kill Sanson than Sansa. We'll have just cause to take down aria and with aria out of the way little finger will be able to more readily manipulate the stark situation because Arias scares the pants off of them. He saw her fighting in the courtyard before so that's little fingers move here. That's what he's trying to do here. Right. But not the poke holes in little fingers plan. If his move is to try to make REO wanna kill Sansa fill like that. Like, really good killing people. I think little finger play a little fast and loose here. Little finger underestimates the stark sisters gets killed, so okay. All right. So she is going to sneak into little fingers room reads, the no, but then the joke was on her because a little finger was spying on on aria, the whole time and wanted her to find the note, so okay back and forth. All right. I wanna see that scene. Reedited with the Pink Panther music underneath. That's what I want. All right. Let's go back to east watch. Yes. So we're going to east watch which was last mentioned, many episodes ago, and by many, I mean, like five at this point torment in the free folk have been manning Eastwood, they get the get the castle to themselves because that's seems to be the likeliest port of entry for the night king and the white walkers so John rolls up to east watch with Dabo, sin, Gandhari and Giora in tow. Because they want to go north of the wall, and they wanna capture a white and bring it back to king's landing and torment is. Doesn't love the idea right away. Yeah. He's saying you want to do what what how many queens are there? Now. What do we what is this plan? Again. Like, I mean, it's crazy that torment is the person in this entire episode. That says hold on run this past one more time doing. Yeah. I like how he's living track of the queen's or he's like which one we have to convince the one of the dragons or the one who blames her brother. I guess he's the person who's like finding out the plan at the last minute. And he is going to be very involved with the plan. Whereas a lot of the people that thought up the plan were sort of like, okay? And then we'll see if this works, right? He's the guy in charge of the east watch. So, you know, coming into my house and telling me what we're doing. So, but it turns out that they're not the first people with an ideal, or at least a reason to be this bar north because they've got some guests in the east watch prison cells. Yeah. And we are reunited with the hound and barracked on Derian and thorough of MIR. And we've got the whole ocean seven here together and thorough says the shakes it's not going so thorough. Who isn't he hasn't been? Allowed to drink much. He's very upset about that. He's recognized by Giora more Mont after Gandhari. I recognize the brotherhood was like these are the guys who gave me to the red woman who put the leeches on my stuff. Upset about that. And then jurors oh, man Thoresen doors. Oh, man, Giora more money, and like your Mormon endorses euro wild. Yep. And barrack says we all hate each other. This is great where at the edge of the world the edge of extinction. Roll here. We hate each other. But we're here. He is same reasoning. Yeah. Doing what we're going to look for a white. It's. It's crazy. For. I would love free daily and Keith to find the fermented crab. I'd be very concerned about what would happen. I don't know. Crystals and find it. Oh god. Hammer. Right. So we are going to be setting up a much better cliffhanger this week net. Quite a conventional cliffhanger more of like a to be continued. Speaking of Keith, it's cool. I mean as the next episode fully honor, the promise of Eastwood, probably not I actually didn't get in in in hindsight. We at the start of the podcast, we talked about this as a as a chess pieces episode, but it's a fun chess pieces good I liked it had low expectations going in and is a cool ending. It's got this real energy to as everyone's like charging off into the unknown and the future is bleak possibility and the result is relatively bleak as well. It's just maybe not as exciting more as airtight wraps. But I don't know we're gonna we're gonna talk about beyond the laws or next podcast two weeks from now, and we'll get to reevaluate it with hindsight really not a lot to reevaluate in terms of what we know will happen in the following up because we only have one additional episode to judge it against. Beyond beyond the wall. But I think with a year and a half on from having seen that absurd. I'll be curious to see what what we think about it. Okay. All right. Anything else from east watch note? That's all I got. Yeah. We just send everybody out the back door and then out into the freezing cold, and we're going to see what happens to everybody next time out. What do you feel like is the promise that is unfulfilled in the next episode? I don't know. I mean, I think that beyond the wall is not a super fondly remembered episode of the show, I think that a lot of people had issues with beyond the wall. I do think when you think about like the penultimate installments of game of thrones seasons, which are typically the most exciting episodes of given season is it bottom of the barrel. It's either bottom of the barrel or second to last depending on how you feel about the dance with dragons in season five. I think most people think about hard home kind of sort of filling that spot even though it comes in earlier. I think a lot of it comes down to like people's issues with raven flight path and all of that. So we'll see we'll see if we feel that same way. I think that there's some people who are really low in this episode and not a ton of people who are massively high on it. So I'll be I'll be very interested to see what we think about when we encounter it together. Yeah. I think I remember it being better. The finale was underwhelming. But that could just be it's been a minute. It's been a minute. It's been a okay. All right. So that's we're gonna in two weeks in two weeks. Everybody two weeks. We would have been in it. You know, you've got you've got a little before we get hanging there. Everybody to will be great. And it'll be great power back. Of course. Josh Wheeler will be publishing so much a game of thrones news that you'll you'll think that he was hopped up on ferment crab weeks. Yeah. Was yes, go ahead and follow all of that. Either on Twitter at round Howard or at ta dot com slash game of thrones. I am at rob sister. You know, I been talking about the Walking Dead with Jessica lease and falling. It's we've had fun covering this back half of the season. Yeah. Lots of talk about Henry alpha. The highway men the highway movies. Yup. Can highwaymen. Yeah. All right. So we will talk to you again game of thrones in two weeks as we are inching closer to the game of thrones season eight for me, or if you can believe it everybody. Good one.

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Castle Black - Game Of Thrones Season Eight Episode Four Review - The Last Of The Starks

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Castle Black - Game Of Thrones Season Eight Episode Four Review - The Last Of The Starks

"Uh-huh. Welcome back to another sold of passes. Black Steve blackest podcast all of this. I am back. One of. Eighty three ivory. Toffee RAFI Lord, light savers and girl has no other Nick. And we're geared begin about this. Interesting episode episode aid. Episodes four of thrown titled the last of his before we get started. Let's introduce our hosts west you is your boy DJ. I mean, aka Ben have the means the butcher of names the fillet man little little Twitter fingers. And does this great joy here on Casablanca? But a lot of things of. They did. But before we get into that. Hi, everyone is portion Patterson hurts aka be may service guys, aka the three eyed raven cloth, aka lady. Hi garden AK special this episode. Barry me Nath with my ancestors that shouted your cars because they knew death was better than bondage. Yeah. I'm so proud of you. That's that's classic castle. Black give yourself a Pat on the tweet that when you might want to tweet that put a little TM behind it. But but yes, as you heard folks, we're back here to discuss as I was supposed to say season eight episode four of game of thrones. As you know last week, we had a few special guests. Thank you again for coming through. Thank you again. Everyone for supporting us. We see your tweets we see all the love and support. We see the questions that you guys are sending in please continue to do that contact at four nerds com, including going to fall, nerds dot com. And leaving a comment there on the sidebar. But again, thank you so much for supporting us and for supporting patriots. We see you can I say something about last episode before we get into this because upon rewatch and after having some time to just the episode. I have to say that the long night wasn't as you know. Still very on some levels, technically impressive. There were still some issues lighting some re tha that, you know, cinematographers five years. On bowl is they say, you know, feel a little, you know, just listen to the people, but just the writing and some of the choices made by John snow supposed supposedly in experienced military commander were extremely suspect. While they lead to great visuals. The fact that this man was trying to send his dot bracket hordes out against let me finish. It gets an unknown enemy lately. Yes. Against an unknown enemy without having known short roll up in light his weapons on fire. Prove once again is it's man is not to quickest, you know, ship on the boat. It's not the quick on the uptake. He's not the only person making military decision. Both rocky and the unsullied military leaders who are sitting for them in the war room. So they're the ones they're not your final. General. Okay. But generally, you don't meet I call both of them foolish. My thing, and we're gonna not me on the black book. But legit like if you are I feel like there's both it goes both ways. Like are you going to be like their? I are you going to be like because that's what I'm gonna say stand up and say it if you're gonna just let them put you in position you're gonna let them put them in a first shame when you're a soldier. You're not going to speak. But he's on this. They had talking about grinders. And like Ray weren't. No. Like, there's there's three main dot rocky writers that are Danny's like generals for the death rock and there there's great worm for then sullied. So they are in position to argue their case, it'd be where not because for Gaza what they say to the narrative the narrative John make the decisions. Yes. And then there's John said this sounds like a great idea, really. Stan L comes down to the writers deciding though this is what they wanted as the visual for everyone to see people of color up north whenever they went into battle for the long night. So actually turns down to yes. Colored writer's room and skate this show. I don't want. No people on the show. No more. Fuck that the way they be treating us debt. She's saying in the bright is talking about fuck this show at this point. When it goes people kind of we don't need Joe. Hey. Agree. Always put more people have color. Yeah. In writer's room. Plus again, you are missing. What other time I'm not talking about writer's room? I'm talking about characters on the show. I'm talking about black people and giant you need to. Thumpers? Great numbers. Gotta be there. First they were there to. Yes, I agree on on by people rising. That's not what I was talking about. Anyway, light Bemis said I actually had agreed to that point after second. Viewing of the previous episode episode three. The winner Phelps though, I it was some stuff that didn't hold up water. But that buzzer beater by aria, certainly still so really happy about that before we get into episode four. I just wanna make a point for those listening. If you don't know ready Monday shit by the time you hear this. 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Let us know P audit stuff see you there. And now, let's get into the episode. The last stark her. Yes. Well, and it started off with you know, funerals funeral pyres for all for all. You know, there will be some fire and some burning bodies. Yes. I mean that's by Bernie. I mean, it'll be you know, and you know, we started off with Danny, you know, crying over Giora show more motion for that man and showed it she ever showed him the way he wanted to. I actually. Probably tried like, oh, no. I don't actually fine. He says the Bill you forget how many times she said that nigga way. Remember, she was like, I don't I don't fuck with you, bro code need. You couldn't means two different beans. I couldn't means like if I great worm Musani like she couldn't do nothing. But when she said, she couldn't no she didn't want to love him the way he wanted. Because. To am. I. And I'm good. Unattractive boming nothing when it comes down to look to find a ways. I don't know about you. But I've gotten over that. Why does she have to she's the Queen? She can do whoever she wants to get a while. She. Things happened. He's to happen. But yes in this opening scene. We do see the dead. We see the funeral pyres for the unsullied throw. And also these quote unquote main characters that have that have died. Hey, some people are saying these ain't real main characters. I mean, even though the. Have a little liquor for beyond. Right. Like damn. But I've seen it on Twitter. But anyway, yeah. In addition just want it continue to add that John is, you know, he sucks as a strategist. But he's a hell of an order. He poverty look into a career switch. It would probably be. You know, maybe public speaking some shit like that. But interestingly are maybe not interestingly you saw the matching of people and their loved ones you saw aria. And Barrick he saw sonza and theon John Liana Fressen power Leonida damn I really didn't wanna see her dead again. Her body. Anyway, also regret see sonza buried Dion. With the winter fell sickle. Dr will so which wishes fitting, you know, he according to brand anyway, he had proved himself to be a good, man. Good. Boy. Morning as trying to Tahoe said, you know. It was like no it's time to die right now. Yes. This the significance. The implications of San's giving him this pin? Just you know, kind of disclose out literally put the pin on the on story of folly coming the stark, all we cry criteria. Literally. Putting the on Jesus. Hey, man. I'm just calling symbolism symbolise. Any thoughts about this opening shot from anybody? Besides that this is where we are. We also saw ghost. We can. Really? Move. He's at the funeral. He showed up. Did a few people and peace out and came back. This is the first time we've seen him injured. Like we actually see what? This bit of blood. He was. It was like raid on his on his muzzle. But also on his parts of his body wounds and his ear was gone like his ear that doesn't come back. Some shakes are Wolfer. Right. All right. Yeah. So then we move on from that place to the dinner. You also John at the dinner when he gives us independence. Now, the independence already said that that was John being I said him being a great orator. But not a great strategist. That was his. Oh, but does your point. You wanna call it independence day speech? No independence day happened before the battle. This is like the I don't know they they never give a speech after this was. It was funeral though. So I made sense. Yeah. Arm spoiled game. Okay. I mean, nobody's Mondays Russo said Monday, you know, Blackwood absurb speech. Lis lis? Oh fella. Why crime? I should've been Hawkeye. Wow. So this the sat ask funeral gives way to the dinner scene are the beginning of the dinner scene, which is very long seen. Actually, I think is the longest thing entire episode. If you really think about it. But. Gandhari pops up and says first things first, where's my? That I am just like unbothered like you knew she was like she just like over like, she's the one who saved the whole day. And you don't see nary pizza her Africa FINA Rolex she's chilling in the cut. Nobody knows where she is. Everybody's dinner drinking libations fellowship and all that stuff into your point Arias noticeably absent absent Brig injuries. Looking course, focused course, he stuck on that. He was Padron. Elizabeth sage a bench only project. Second thinking like ooh storm things, you know. I'm related. The pointing right. Besides in the whole of death. Rocky the first sign of trouble that you see. At least in this episode is Danny basically trying to get rid of any potential competitors. And making injury. Lord of storm's end. Gandhi. Pops up the first ball when she starts off. She she Genry poplar. She goes who's you who's man's is this new who's man's of this who you who walk with? And he said, you know, I'm technically, Bradley and son. Did you see Jamie's face when j ain't no? Jamie had that we bathe at gift faith. He was. So so for some people she dropped the bomb on them. But she was cute. So meet here. Everybody. Was giving like a social. Like. Through the river. Yeah. So. Y'all are freaking mess. But yes. So you know, Gandhari explains who he is. She says we is at this point you like L, where's she going with this? No, we're good. And again, like I said she gives him the mantle of Lord of storms in which does accomplishes a few things one gets hurt in her mind anyway, out of his hair out of her hair. Because then not that he was ever looking for the throne in the beginning. But to say that you know, he's too busy being Lord of elsewhere. So he's not gonna wanna come at thrown or try to claim even though he's he's technically could have at least by by blood claim on throne. Porsche shaking her head. Wait it. But you say weighing like he's like anyone wants the throne less than John. It's probably injury. We'll get you says he don't know up from now, you don't know how to use a fork badly. So you know, that man from the streets on nothing. Tyrian in John. I noticed they gave that look to her John John's is still a little idiot. But they gave kind of a look to near. It's like they knew why she did what she did. At least. That's the way. I. And then Sahibzada looks at all that and realizes what's up after that. So everyone's being quiet. But but understand that observed made. Yeah. As we sit here. There's a really interesting conversation right here with Tyrian and Davos that. I really didn't. I think this might have been the writers and the people behind the show being like, I uphold, you know, if you were still wondering about the war as I as oars, I whatever so high high, you know, I mean that's much attention as the writer day to if you were thinking about that. This is the end of that thought because that was like only did they officially it. I'm not sure, but they were talking about the Lord of light and stuff and don't ever show what we need him and stuff like, and like what a lot of people have already said is that, you know, the main people who talk about the Lord or light are Barrick and Messiaen. Jay wore now faded so. Yeah, they're not going to be around the talk about it much. And this might be one of the last conversation we hear about it. And sadly because that was a big part of the book, and that's also some of my problems, and like a lot of people's problems with last week's episode was that a big part of the book like as you saying everything else is this whole thing. With the nineteen. And it's not the fact that kills him is the fact that he did. But in the end the books to be fair, the nineteen is not in the books. But so yeah. So the long night. Yeah. Powered by the motor the light. We don't. This thing where is only shows up in the lore of the Lord of the light. But it's not that Holly shows up in Lord, light, LOL's, more and more. That. That's it's connection as yet. But we don't know technically it could mean anywhere just like L west rose, they have the others floor. You know, as far as we know that others could be and some other land, and and the song, ice and fire. We don't know. Here. But here it was kinda anti climatic for Nike and the whole white walkers have been established in the very first five minutes that show, and then it'd be done the off. Yep. Mad about that. Big man Datta. But yeah. So I think that was the writers also saying, yeah, will whatever kids and that was the end of that. As on to get some more that signs aside. I team. You know, she doesn't trust Danny or Danny's intentions with John nor her attentions with the Rome at large, and then you get drunk ass torment where I was sitting there like shut the fuck up torn because he's like that every single time. He is. But and I know he wasn't doing this purposely. But he was just stirring, the pot because he's out there talking about basically extolling all of John's amazingness of being this guy who's come back from the dead. And he's this. He's dad, and you know, came six and shit like that like really pouring in on heavy and Danny right? They're getting the screw face stank out. But also, I feel like if you look good Danny through this episode like that table, she's very much like how she was when Santa like embraces the on an episode is who go she's like, oh, like everyone got people's where my people like she's very much like, okay? Like, I can see they're like these alliances are very strong relationships where m- my she just. Gave up jor who's one of the only western row. See people with our who was writer like literally writer diver her. She's Tyrian sitting over there with his brother and bring and like having a good. I'll chop it enough time he him by her various like not even beside her to the side. So where her people's and so she's filling very vulnerable in that moment. Like, John even looking for her in that moment. He's busy like like laughing at his friend. He's busy trying not to be king. But I agree with you. I have that same up survey shin that like she has no more true allies, at least in her eyes. Yeah. You got Gramer them. But her dwindling her the west of Rosie people that she needs to be right? Diplomats are like, you know, people who could work for her and for her inbetween like that's who she needs right now and the best you can do is to raise up a bastard that no one relieving in north knows about right? And to me when I looked at her face throughout that scene when she really can't ever location. I'm my daddy's sitting there like I'm gonna have to give everybody the fade because at this point. She. She's not feeling like she's part of anything. She's not connected to any of these people really like that's that's part of her like as much as people are saying that she's not learning how to play the politics game. I think the her making gingery award was her playing into social. Yeah. This is what the west originally de whenever there's a battle. They divvy it up, and then they make they raise people as they help to them. So she's trying to play the game. But she's also seeing how vulnerable she is. So she's going to be on that line for a lot of this time. I noticed very various rather seems to be have made some sort of a lines with Danny and potentially we find out later what he's really trying to do. But I believe he is in his way as he says protecting the Rome, he's always said that always. But it also can potentially come off as double crossing that other characters as we go on but his care about any other character. But not at all, they don't they don't serve the rim. Then he doesn't care back. And there's a lot of great conversations in this whole, you know, during this whole long seen that you said like, there's brand material. We get a good moment. There might live in the past year. We get a good moment that reminded me of people from a wicked. I mean, wicked and divine the comic book will nurses territory DO who seems to be the best of God. You know, everybody's like, oh, you got the best time ever, you know, you outta everybody because everybody should have fought. And he's like well having slept in thirty days. And I hear everyone else's thoughts constantly. It's like, okay. And your superman brand, you know, and brand is like, you know. You don't want to be nice, and it's still hard to divorce. The idea that this is not brain. I mean, even though he says it every other time talk to him. He's like, I'm not brand. I'm not brand. Oh, no. Yeah. So it's hard not just not just obviously the characters their his brothers and sisters and things like that. But us as viewers like we really cannot divorce those two, but he's trying to tell I'm not this guy. All used to think. I was I'm annoyed that everyone keeps talking to him. Like he wants to be loaded. Wonderful and like. I don't want. Nothing have no wants or needs. I'm good. This me about say like laundry to my full feminists, anti patriarchy rent like these men keep saying that they don't want these power physicians and they're capable women. Right there. Keep China give it to the people who are not qualified not interested that and don't even came back to re. What I just and we know why it is. But can Newt like like, I think that Ben you mentioned this last time like someone said someone had a penis, but that didn't make them a fit relate. I can't remember who is a member that coming out. And I'm just like I mean, legit will various -tarian had had a comedy show. It's not enough. So. Yeah. I mean, you know, I I come down pretty much hard on every man, I think other than I various, Jamie. Of course, the hero this show. Yeah. Everyone else is pretty much trash, but there's some other great beans. There was a great hall bat to drinking game. I call it Tuesday had drinks. But that goes back to when they were into ten when -tarian Braun and shea are in the tent before that bid battle on the plane saying got that cut that kinda face. That's when he got the hammer in the head, right, okay. Fell out before he even got the being the battle. Okay. It's high way this is not battle the backwater. This is. That was first in the first bid battle of the show that they don't even show because tearing it's not the hell out. Oh, falls out. Thanks barbarians run into the bat on a hit him over the head. He cokes out into the night before he plays his drinking game with saying where they guess you had to guess something about the person. And if you get it right bay drink if you don't get it. Right. You drink. Gotcha. And so that's the game. They're playing when he's sitting there playing with bran, and he guesses that she's a virgin. And she gets bounces instead of playing the game. I will leave to like how you put on my business out there in the streets. But that's the game. You know, like, I don't care my Tyrian when he met shea. He's like your mother's a whore. And she was I drink. 'cause no my mother wasn't a whore. Right. I understand for visit the game still sell blooded. That's. I just love how much torment were in his was in his fees. Saul, jamie. Sewer Email opening his eyes and coming out. He was crying beefy. I mean, you know, solved real quick. He's the communist fees. It's going to see Brienne walking around when hairdressing gallon. I'll tell up after Jamie, and he's going to be like that. Hey of that man after everything he'd been do. So is the big woman still here. He's always going to be in his illness. When it comes to brand. Quickly, you know, found himself some Solis tonight as they say some chips. I found companionship in the how this episode because he wanted no part. And none of this bullshit at all. He's a psychologist. I don't want it help. You bought it is. That's our leave me alone. And he looks he looks super uncomfortable around fire always universe like candles and little flames. Always just like he just like, I don't won't be here. I'm only cope with this because I'm drinking 'cause if I weren't drinkin- I would be be going. I can't. Yeah. Gang during he also had a brief chat with sonza and called her little bird, call bat to one of my favorite all time favorite moments on game of thrones on the show is when everything had gone to hell at cane's landing. They thought that what's his name standards was about to run up in that join at the battle blackwater he comes to San's and she's all stare to look at him. And he says look at me, and he is one of the best speeches ever on the show when he says look at me, I'm a killer. Your brother's killing your father was a killer. The world is made of killers. I thank you bring. Every episode. It's one of the greatest moments on the show, and he's like you better get used to looking at killers. And then sonza comes back and listen small fucking dead in the eye. It's like I'm not a little bird anymore that the look dead in your face 'cause I'm king. My daughter asked me what a real killer was at say me. There we go. Do what you say. How'd you how'd you finish them hounds? My main was like impressive. What else? Oh level up. It's like he's the house. He's like, okay. I mean, see coming, but you know. I would like to own as something that, you know, you use the symbolism revenge, your she also made it be known that is her tribulations that made her stronger and brought her to where she is. And why she feels that you I'm not the person you could count out the pitching anymore. Like never was. That's also a problem in a way that like being grapes made you a stronger person like. Strong being the pond of on of the writing. At this point. But you understand what she's saying, yes. On top of rape and everything else. She's gone through like just having just be a part of that entire system. Really like, I don't know at year ago, and then to come out and and be ready to change the world in her own way. So it's things that are always liked to disagree with writers. Who said it the only way to make a care to stronger is to have them go through terrible things necessary. Yeah. Especially when it comes to like sexual assault. And rape. There's. When it comes to anything. But especially because women are especially in fishing are treated far worse. When Trump's things that nature men who right? Don't seem to understand the difference in someone being stabbed versus the difference and someone being raped those are two different things. And people don't understand that and fishing just seems to us that a lot. I do agree with that. But I also do agree they care through. Sometimes do have to go through terrible situations end. This is a terrible fucking world where my man theon had his dick cut off, you know. So it's like. It's like onscreen and then afterwards Hatcher man ramp you sitting there. Heaven grand old I cry not during and after looking at gifts never date hurts. To date. No. So that's why I say this show too sides every story if I'm saying, so let's get on with this story. The worse. Me my man gone. So there is there's a cut away from the dinner scene where we get into what you find out where our is our area is mining her fucking business shooting arrows doing whole hook. I think and Ganjam haka Genri. Well, listen, he made Gandhari is our us Hawkeye. Do that yet? We're not doing that. Don't even go there. I'm not doing. I'm going comics. I would say to you know, because Hawkeye used to mess with Mockingbird. She meets has mastic and she rush. She shot an arrow, which just making a easy correlation. I mean Hawkeye does serve getting back to where we finally do that she's doing that injury is setting himself for the worst L. Is I know how predictable soon as as soon as any made him, Lauren. Upi adding his face was legit. I can marry her now I know I saw I was like. Learn nothing about our your gene told, you know. The whole time. He did that like like, you don't know her very clear with him. She was like all she was cared about was like yo fashioned me a weapon that's worth my skill. Let's get down like she wasn't worried about other shit. She's try to tell people in more ways the one that that's not her pass. He's not a lady, she's not this not that. She's aria of former Princess winter fell. Now a note now, no one now like whatever you wanna call her facet. She'd never calls herself. No. I'm are you stark because she can't vanity Houston assassin. She's an assassin of the no one star. She's like I m stark, but I'm also not gonna live up here. Like, this is not my place, no deaths her place, but you know, carrying out death yet. I don't think it's don't end in life either for her, you know, about I'm not putting money on that would make. Sorry, folks. Sorry. Ryan seeing it. Funny to me like I'm thinking about that same weekend we talking to aria, and for some reason jagged checking this. So let's get married come with the remix fast skit Mary. And then she's like darn good turn to. What about them? Turn down and she brought him back up. She was like she was like, I'm gonna kiss you. So you think it's good? But we're gonna come back up. Foolishness because we I'm not doing you did your good boy to him and said, but I got to get back to treat it and quite literally like what a beach. She just she just turned around went back to so many call bags to the first sewed again because once again, she shooting arrows once again, she was like, I'm not a lady you Jack as I said this in the first episode injury. I also like come back to the first season whenever she's in king's landing and her father's like you'll make a great lady one day. And it's like, I'm not that's not why have time she keeps saying like you keep seeing her having these moments throughout the different seasons. Like, I am not this. She's like whenever she sees nightmare. She's like, oh nine Maria's, not just not this. So she she knows who she is. And people keep trying to make her to be something. She's not and just like Brandon away, and everyone just like she's like, I'm not we're not who who you think we are all over to these dogs are much more intelligent than their owners, very true to real life. Folks. They're tethered. Mary was out. But. Are you on the same like brain level? They're both. Both. This before I will offset as with the die artist Stark's tethers because they just seem to have some other plans in place. I would say that this Starks Dr wolves covers shit. That's even worse. That's even worse. Big words. Wow. This even worse. But in good news. The ended up in pre ends room, and you know about that. Wrote a story. Go get him slow Jamie Lancaster, drunk green ivory watching the wire. And Jamie was like mid Nolte like showing up drunk some women. Was doing shayna. Not what I thought was funny about this scene was that? It was interesting even though he was drunk. I still think he was very cognizant of what was going on here. Jamie was like, well, I think he needs to be drunk because this is the first time he's having sex with someone who is not his wife that and he's like I got to be I can't I gotta get myself prepared to not have sex with my sister. No. I mean, he was eating junk is. He was getting junk 'cause they vibe the army of the dead. Let's be clear, but he had to keep drinking while he was. That thought because you're saying in order to get with like, no not it's about him. He's own system out just to finish that he's ever done. Thought to finish my sentence. I thought I was I thought it was funny. I thought it was funny that before anything started he had to make sure he understood the status retirement before he. To see Pete that he was like, so what about your boyfriend Orman? Thanks. Whenever dude is into girl. And he's like, I know she ain't into the suit over here. But I'm gonna make fun of my few checking your check. He's not checking her. He's checking the dude he's like, oh, whatever I checking I'm saying checking the status of like, he Sean make anything to you not that that would change. What he how man -tarian this toll torment having the dream, sir. Drink away to pain or stepped in with that one that he'll tonight. It was that whole thing was clear as classic so yes, Brandon shaming was this pent-up is this been six or seven of pent up sexual frustration between them to maybe like five. Season three. I think is whenever where they where she had him have whenever there, they hang out. So I'm gonna soon as he saw her fight. There was something I mean seasons years worth of sexual Asian, and we didn't get to see any of it on them from mostly on her side. I feel like she was unwittingly like she'd never like sports actual feelings before. So she like she didn't know what she was like dealing with internally. And he also is like he didn't want to betray, sir. See so he has that he was like riding that wave of like, oh, I'm not feeling that for her. Also, she's a big woman. I'm hot whatever, I'm feeling her. Like, he was fighting all those different things is go ahead. Got into the like actually feeling out how he felt is this show equitable and showing when people want to make love to each other versus when people are taking things rape. Are they equitable showing that because I feel like the stuff that you may have wanted to see like this. You didn't get to see. But then the stuff that you absolutely don't want to happen whatsoever. They're very explicit with this. I'm just curious. If my thoughts proper even over. Well, because I'm back to that. But I I just wanted to put that question out there because I'm just like, I just I if it was not equitable, obviously, that's a problem. Like, I don't like this world's people people always trying to put our modern day morals onto this world of pure gangsters. Like everyone in this world is a gangster or especially at the higher levels. Their supreme gainst and below that the describes survive I feel like the only thing I think of I mean, I feel like we. Yeah. That's like a study. And it self seeing what how sex protrayed in the show. But I think that when I would like to see more of is like like just like general consent, and like like relationship building like what is that even really seal out of that like, what is attraction to the next. I know what you're saying, whatever. But it's like, we don't even see that alive. Have you ever see that's impossible into showed? I'm saying idea of of different consent at every moment is twenty nineteen. Idea does show, but it shouldn't have to be. And it's a twenty nineteen show. That's being filled that disrespectful to to writing that. That's even worse to put like these. Territories who have no idea about twenty nine t more hours to have that come out of their mouths that makes no. I'm not saying just overtly throws up in what I'm saying is there's at least show different kind of relationships in a way that we're seeing playing out. Comfort. You know, I want some. Was good. Right. I'm living in. I'm I'm like, I see what they're taking some criticism of like all of rape and stuff and tried. But they're also this like this now. Charity. Some of this a little over anybody wants to respond to that, please. You can add us at Nestle black pod. The next teen. I have to face Paul and rubbed my eyes and all that other stuff all the other sounds and scenes of exasperation because this is when John and Danny have that talk and Danny begs John to keep secrecy on his true identity. For various reasons, but she pigs in a he turns around and tell her it'll be okay, baby. Everybody will accept you. And I will always be king and all this other nonsense, and we're like, John if you do this is a red, and what does John which we're going into? Oh. John's honor gets into way of his logic or any semblance of logic so much see if we wanna put our modern-day morality onto you know. On modern on on this nonsense on this man that everyone wants at John snow is some kind of great leader and great person. But as written on this show is a moron and pretty useless. I just say that whenever Tyrian various, I know we're going to have the conversation. And various who would you rather see on the throne, and I'm like? Like what what is John Dane think he should be a keen? Anything? That starts dumb ass kid strikes again on himself. Like, I just don't understand. Yes. He's a good showed eager. He's leader for a group. Like, you know, I just let them out. What's that? John snow and things public. The first the first catchphrase for John snow was, you know, nothing. Jon snow, you want the know. Nothing. Johnson home thrown enough. She called it. Boy, he said. He said shit years ago. Yeah. Her voice. She was so right. Read him for filth for his life. Like, it's an ongoing phrase for him. So true, so true. And so then, you know, we get to the war council. Of everybody, you know. War room. Yes. Every is always a warm. See where it's like, okay. What you wanna do? They. Here's a plan to narrates. Nah, I'm gonna do. Every time every time we see a war broom plan, even if they go to plan the plane of it works out for them every time you see more plants, but what is John Wilson of boss whenever Leinna. And when I was linen and the Dorning, and every time we see a war room seen. It always goes awry this plan was going to fail fail. No matter what. So they explain that basically thing has occurred and a half or more of their forces decimated. Why did you pick note sustain us? Isn't it called the decimation or happening the Infinity fade? There's there's many ways to say ain't got no motherfucker for the measurement of it is a thin OSE. Santa's crass approximately half of the population Thanos has occurred. Danny doesn't like that. People. Don't just wanna go in that bitch like Rambo, you know, people are like go. We might need to solid snake this because it's this certain ways that you gotta be Schettino when it comes to serve. I think our point. No, that's not what that's the point that made Danny because I no that's not what I'm saying. That's the point that's onto made that for Danny to counter, you know, like other people made the same. But go ahead. What signs whenever his sons said they need to rest shoes. Like Daniel bit. Y'all weren't y'all was not going to be happy with me rest in my troops. Whenever y'all needed help doing this whole shit that now you want me to wait. No. We would be happy with you Chilin in doing right now. Resting your troops. The trauma force all it was. Joe choose your own came out in the pretense. You trying to save the world. Do that because here in and opponents? That's dragging. She dragged me for here. But again, I feel like the best person in this whole thing is aria because are yet when Nate Wednesday their sect Brett stark talk moment. She's like we did need the troops. We did come and science still on her. Will we didn't need are like, yes, you like why are you denying the actual truth in front of you? There's a like there's clearly saunas on her crap. Jammies. On her crap. And is like, nah, like, let's figure out how to make this actually function. I thought it was funny that during that whole back and forth of that war room. After Sonson said what they said, John like the them like fucking it up for me. Like, he just gave him that. Look like shut the fuck up. I already told her that she was going to be half. Her bet y'all go. This is John. That's what happens when your net starts dumb ass kid like y'all. And again, I'm making this point y'all can't be having these conversations before y'all go, and friend of other people and have these conversations it's like they have. And then what the group consensus everybody trust each other other than the peop- of you know, they don't trust John right at the giant that let are ya and signs looked at each other. Like this Nick is quite like this. We gotta talk we gotta talk. And that's why you know. And as you mentioned Porsche, how they have that conversation outside like are you explain well once again, it's all about assignment of blame in so many things. But always look honestly at the end of the day, we needed everything that we have. But guess what? Now, it's time for family. And this is where I wrote down in my notes, it's commission points dumb ass. John. Ed slummy. Oh my God. Yeah. Because this is how he Sohn's Musonda. Danny implored him. Do not the mowing. The mowing employees. Wait, I'm banking for the first. Out. She was like this is the way we can do. She she know she banks. She said I've never been. She said her beta I've never for anything. My said, I just want for this whatever this is just full showed. You the way that we make word on. It's like she's like, I literally laid out the by now I lay out the plan for like, I said, she implored is a synonym of big. But she implored John to not tell these real identity. Do not tell people you can't do it not as she knew them better. Who she was like, you know, what you can find an area you'll tell aria, but don't you to do some? But not just that wall. No. It's. Secret a secret secret secret. But also yet that but also Danny knows nobody fucking rocks were her like that like they is particularly the family wax with her like, they Rockwood John. And she does not want something melt, that's potentially two things be another a challenge to her throne to split him and heard up because that's the whole thing. She knows family is stronger than anything that she could bring to the table. And if you have your family, like, I don't know, I I don't know about her anxiously my clean, and she Danny knows homegirl. Sounds don't trust hung. Yeah. Are you doing whatever the fuck? You wanna do but does not trust our point break blank, period. And she knows that there is a bevy of people behind that that will backup sauna and John before they ever even breathe about Danny? That's what's happening. So so your point Johnson idiot. Would you would you? Call them on Twitter. John O a class a buffoon. Saito. He's the class able from. What is he doing this scene? Once again us up the game when there was no need to give the game like people. Breath. It was your choice brand literally said it shows. That's too late and brand new because once once he says, it's your choice. Everybody should be like Joyce brand a lot of anything anything. But but see brand was already letting them noted your dumb ass already major own choice. You know, you about the tell these mother fuckers you can't fucking keep your mouth shut brand is nothing about that. Strange. He just sitting there watching it go down. He's like, you really wanna know are already know house runner go down. But y'all don't and I'm not gonna tell you shouldn't. Yeah. The coldest thing about that scene. Is John's dumb as DD say his own mouth. He was like, I got something to tell y'all your brand you. We. You do that. Away for in brand tell you business. Why can't you do it? My guy any kid in trouble trying to get someone else's take for him. Mommy, where we take your the freezer, man. I don't know what. God. So again, this again, the whole thing about honor replacing logic is just knows no bounds. Because now some people are you with us. They'll say why would why should John keep it a secret? What are you guys say to that? Why not what does he lose? He didn't even know. It was a thing in the first place for like, you know, as I like, okay. Imagine what's Sam told him and John just kept his mouth show. What would it changed everything and save lives? What do you mean how because Danny wouldn't know? And then say bad lives in terms of where we are now four, but ain't happened yet. So I I really I want is. I think that's when the unmotivating is that people are saying that like she's going to be so consumed with her revenge for sir c and this next episode not gonna keep it from flooding, but it's going to be so consumed. For her getting back, sir. See that going to be stuff going on in the background that signs. It's going to take advantage of potentially. So it's going to be really interesting next. Couple episodes seeing how the the board of the game gets played because I'll roll the dice. We're seeing how these different things are going on around the board. And I'm really interested. I I'm not I don't feel like anyone is super predictable right now, some people like people are very much out card. Yeah. We show especially now that the whole board. They they table flipped aboard. At this point John doing that flip tire fucking bored up. It's like anything again anything several other flipped boy about this episode is over. Tyrian and Jamie, you know, have their talk where you know, tearing is trying to get Jamie. Give good says the ain't heard a good story about Poon ending years. Not only that he hasn't had any for years like for Tyrian. Like, yes. I've seen in the past two seasons. Been. I'm just went drink his body. His body weight down every day. Why discussing this not too I'm laughing because Brom popout crossbow surprise motherfucker? Diet. Nobody up north like let him in the the game. Like nothing. Have you been here before? He just knew exactly which room to go into winter fell. Like could you imagine like they should wash? Checking every where to God wasn't on our you'd be like up on his neck like sitting there watching sitting there watching it. When Jamie was about to about to get him. Some when Jaime and Brienne brand about you know, about to lose her virginity. I swore Brom trying to come in and shoot. Because I just show. Then this is how games like Tatyana. I predicted before Brown was gonna just come up and Schubert been home Ono bras. No master assassin. He can't sneak in this bomb minutes later from smoking. Yeah. So so so basically Bronx a speech about how lords and kings are made. And then basically cuts the deal with them. Like, look, I saw dragons. And I know is a rat for surgery for them dragons, this is okay. There's when we have to dragons. And so. Porsches laughing away from here. His deal is basically look what does he say? Oh, if y'all win and make me Lord of. No, no, no, no. Valerie, I wanted to check is the way that the math works, and this was his mass great. It was hilarious. Isn't that? Because he is. So I got on the table currently a river run. I need you to double that double that. And was like, I mean approximately high garden, and it's like wish it a high and a double he led a monopoly deal. Look, you know, how you do. And I let it on park place, and it's like thirty hell tells audit but pit let's do this. What have you let me go three times? And they don't want us here. You wonder why it's like boom check this out like really, but. Yeah, that's what he wants. And they say, okay, fine. Because otherwise you get across to the chest Bryan explained my he's not fucking playing. And listen to me bronze the most consistent person when you really think about he's probably one of the most consistent people in this entire series. Like, he's always been about his coins. And he's always been about getting ahead. And he's like, look this is what I gotta do and playing people to get what he wants like he's like, I am not opposed. Like, you told me you got pockets. They told me they got pockets, which one's going. I want just taking advantage of what he can do. So I get it. I just how you play your wage negotiations game for real. Yes. But after that, we get back to Arya and the hound it, you know, one of the greatest buddy couples in the history of cinema skill pal. See them to Butch and Sundance kid just happy trails name, a better do write their name them more. I kinda do. In the hound leaving. But are making the statement that I referred to earlier and persona. I'm not coming back. And I told y'all I this it's and it's like even like Jamie who I considered a hero to story. I do not consider him making out of this alive who hound Jamie. Jamie, jamie. I I don't think she's like I'm going out to like I'm going out in a place like Loy Arias fully prepared to like live her life going around has named people there, but I've been finishing her list because you're still on that. Finisher list, and you know, you're finished, and I also felt like during this inner change because they they're skipping out of town on the most people I'm just like are basically ghost like the only difference is she don't come back to help. She's like if I'm gone, I'm gone. So is that before or after the scene that John is the double dummy in decides? Like, oh, so the people who are most loyal to me who will have my back. No matter what I'm send them away from wherever I'm going so torment who literally like die for him goes to this coming, hyper. You're right on time. He sends them away to gather. And I'm like that is one of the like dumb dumb dumb. John send a wave northbound north with leaving became he right? Ars told him to stay on the volition like. All right. We did we came here to sin ghost within that was stupid. Hitting his rationale was for he belongs up north his he space shit. I fucking all goes gonna go wherever the fuck goes wanna go you don't me Judah say taken which goes do what he wants to do and get pop out if necessary. So what is that going to like, what's your feeling Popper another landed? This is all suggests like go pop out of place that you didn't think he was gonna pound. Propping up in the dirty streets Kingsland Crips when I'm dragging bone. You'll no no, no, no, go sad to go. And also the budget needed. I I know that's what it is. But I'm also just like that's dumb because ghosts has been ready to lay down for John so many times, and he's about to go to the place that cut down Ned stark, and he's so much like Ned stark. Why would you give rate of the thing that's gonna make sure that you live through at least part of it? Because like you say go Stolz where he wants to go, and it is point Joses. I you just sent me into the battle in the darker. So sad. My. Thawed. Look the him like, bro, you send me. Away. You couldn't be more. You're like Abraham be more like a home. Homebrew? It's you know, you can have more. Abraham. I'm talking about he's, you know. So I'm like, he's Abraham you talking about from here. Just wait anytime. Oh my gosh. We go to Sunday school so bad. If you talk about the bible, John snow is like what's that? Lot's wife who keeps Turner back and turned into salt. I think I say Joan because he got eight. Wale. We're all heathens here on this show. Of course during this exchange as you mentioned winning with psalms. She she's predictor projecting. Her problem for John? She heard intuition is ringing crazier Spidey senses are going off. And she decides to tell Tyrian the truth about John's identity because not less than thirty seconds later, at least in screen time. We saw her swear that you would not or maybe a minute later. She swear she has never been loyal to John snow. I don't understand why people are trying to play like salsa cares. She does not hear about John John's dumb ass at there and say, y'all got swear. And they looked up. I said I saw thanks especially without me. No, she's crossing the him. Well, she did beat she. All right within blinked said, you gotta ain't saying shit. Yeah, believer. Yes. Yes. It was like, yeah. She have waiver in her voice. She was I it's once you already decided to tell the narrow dumb ass once you did that it was over. You can't tell them there's and it's bet this to not not tell your family and your family, not to tell people who they need to tell the Narus try to tell you and don't do it. And we know once a field what a handful, but they say a handful of people know the home worlds, I wish people never the godfather in the book, it's something that's not really in the movie, and that far people don't get it is the code wider, mafia succeeded for years was they live by the code of murder, which means silence. That's it. No one never go against the family, never say shit. That's it. You know, simple. It's a simple thing. But people cannot live by never say a damn work and other big things to me is if you think about it sunset has a stronger alliance with hearing, and then she does with her cousin slash used to. Thank he was her half, brother. I mean, she's known them longer. She's known John Munger, but she learns, but she's. Hung out with him. Marsh? She came from a place of not liking John in the first. So I mean, not really when you're not to like. I respect Tyrian more. Congratulations, salmon, Gilly, they're having a baby. Oh, yeah. Nobody came. Old town had to about bringing in being pregnant, and I was like, oh, do they make armor leather wear that like would be formed battle-ready? No, it's time to the savage show for a minute when you got a baby in the belly. After three months. So yes, I'm true. What are they going to old town going back to the old town? They're not going to sit it out. He said before he never wanted to be amazed or anymore. Anyway. So I'll town is where to Dell as that's what I thought. They must be going to his lands south. They're similar the region. But he said it's Harley land back hill. This what it's called horn ill. Got a sword anymore. Vet him is that? Doubt. He he burnt a good Valerian Troy, but somebody else about a whole. Oh, I guess they don't need anymore. Right. If you sort of here bus grapefruit fight. Oh god. We're getting now into the thick of things which is this the beginning of where I start getting pissed at the show and everything that has to do. And this is why outbursts in the beginning of this particular episode castle about the show when it comes to people of color when I mean, the characters you get an open also some of the worst foreshadowing, oh my God checkout pods Twitter for our foreshadowing theory. You get an opening shot. Beautiful opening shot is so beautiful day sunshine in your hair. And all that stuff. You seem sandy and grey worm embrace embrace holding hands and just so happy were them and be alive at a first time out of the racist north, and who knows how long and guess what the only negroes for thousands of miles in this white ask war learning whiteness. Technically, some of the unsullied are black. Yes, there's others. Yeah. Most of them are dead now. So. They're not the only not the only I mean, the Aubrac eager only have two hundred. They're they're they're dying people all of them slaves. And now we also find out that various also known about John. Maybe he's always known about John. Here you told him look talking about like sheets, and you were talking about bad foreshadowing, you know with. With Ray worm Amazon speeches from before. But I was talking about this moment when tearing is like we'll maybe seriously just chill. Those all two seconds later. Narrator thirsty. Kill them all like on really. And that's the things he was like everyone is gung ho and ready to and they even brought up how like. Yard took back the iron islands because that was a big deal because they. Not even by anybody for the door. Tell me who Dorn isn't even know during nobody had prior any printed. That's thorn have hands. Like like is there? Something about to happen. They sent an elephants which one is it because if you're not doing any of this shit doesn't matter it doesn't matter. And that's what they try to also say it's like, that's great that you say that you back me. But you send any troops might guy. You know, you send in anything. That's you know, really lethal and deadly fucked up like a scorpion. Maybe they'll bear little bear. I got to drank. Oh, don't. Yeah. Abou- that about the score fy one of the saddest things every time a dragged is on this show. I just touch much s because it just hurts me so much animal control on Danny. She don't deserve mother fucking drags. I can't say that this is I cannot say it hurt to be free at this point. Because this time it was like a tame out of like literally nowhere, literally. And it was also like these mother fuckers like how blind arby's bastards, you know. Okay. Like, I just so full fine. Linda dragging Santa John you and someone had mentioned this also give you look at the talking about proximity something they weren't that high in the Dow. Now, let's look at animals in general like in a real world. Right. A hawk flying above concede or ground below. So it can hunt. A dragon theoretically can probably see far because that's fine. But no, the problem was they were obscured by landmass. It was open. It also cloud. Angles that high. They were real flat right by the ships. They were not hiring to see. Pat restaurants is a flat world, right? So that's why I'm saying I was joking. Those far enough. Where is why you don't do? Disney skits in the middle of war because should've been training for this moment. Danny's up their whole new world, isn't it again with Rigo Andro God, I just knew they were safe because they're gonna dragon stones on a war at. Yes. And you're never safe. Scouts like. Were they were operating. No, they didn't. And you know, why they were operating a pretense? That was the only ones was stupid. They were the only ones in the open open water in the ocean that nobody else is coming to fuck with them straight. Golden State Warriors deserve to lose just loaded through one. The you had deserted lose. So we see which is and this was very shocking to me and cast out loud that we see this fucking. You're wrong kill Rageh. What I'm assuming is killed. Ben Ami has still I not killed. But I showed you we showed you that scene. Several. We've got chest. They want to press three zero one one the first one I did harm the first one took me like it just really hurt me. Because not only did he take the first one in its shocked me. But also, let's that he just kept flying entre jury now it's like bra it was. It was Vicky. It was rookie all over. John and that happened. Bad. Rick just his name is Ray Close. Oh. Ocean water, which many probably translates. The OSHA which meant he just kept going down because he probably can't breathe because he got shot in the nit. Remember that some people say, well, maybe a Maistre. Sure people say, well, maybe Visseren, look, listen all the time. So wish for the night king. This is the moment. King come on up and be like raise one. I'm just like Lazarus the know who we go brief theory that maybe revive because Visseren survived a shot in the neck. Well, miss ruby. Not really. Really by dragged him out of the water. Then it was the better hope here is that somehow someone had dragon egg and they slipped. It up knows. Fire's earlier Nepal's. And then we just gotta keep thinking that she blew it three to one lead here. The only thing that made me think that for a second was that the nets. So when you're on was looking at cloud comes out, and he looked shot if drogue on I would think you like fuck now. If he gets ambushed like, maybe I'm thinking, it might be drug on but in armor 'cause it was Saini because they're. Kombi compi goes with wings. I'm telling you. That on going to South Korea on a Pegasus that's gonna be. That's that crossover Alvin waiting for this is so foolish argue jumping out. That's what. Yeah. Somebody put together. Yes. Oh, so you're on I guess this is back last year or two years ago. When you're on the guy who plays you're said, hey, he's you hate him. Maybe referring to like once. I don't hate him. Because like I say it's bad writing to me the bad right into. They don't have a scout ship. If bad right in these drags chancy this fucking coming that they get caught by the same damn thing that Brom tried to hit them with and they dodged the before. And they should know about this. So they should have been training Santen. Why have all this dangerous because of the golden she has and other things she has a superior weaponry because they up that little bit of fleet that they have that advanced sleep. But they say that, but that was smart planning on the behalf of Clyburn to make the same weapons that they want us to take out the dragons also be big enough, and like what like Heff hang ashes take our whole shift. Yes that was very smart play. I was actually very cool scene to just from Matic protected. Hey, cinematographer, racket, actually, see what's going on today. I think it was cool. How you showed the? I point of view POV of like when he was trying to get away from all the up shit on the ship. It was also funny mazing that ended like at the fifty nine minute of it. So -tarian jumping off the boat and almost didn't hit by the by the maybe it hit about a mass. Okay. Our moment. It was also like a rear redo of theon. Yes, whenever he went out 'cause he almost got hit by a big plank of Luke's. So it's like how keep doing these also to saying the same Janke thing his black. Backwater also win a what's his name Jamie fell into the river dragon because that ended episodes an ice water. Could that could have potentially been the end of this episode of this episode only been our by. So that would have been to ending. Yeah. Blackout like, it was the that would have been the end Glenda. Yeah. They definitely did. Go Walking Dead. We knew damn well hearing wasn't dying more. Now. Everybody come on. We talked about the devastation in gray worms face when they they roll it on the beach like Normandy Sunday, he's into the skiff meaning little getaway. And again that the first person view like this if anyone's ever pay like battlefield games like that. That's what it looks like it's just like shit, just come flying. At you stuff is exploding upper down, and she said they wash up, and we don't know where Sandy's and you're on those he's he's swimming. Like he's about to go to the sea. Can you see a few different ways of devastation? You see that in great warms face when it comes to masonic. But you also what peeps. Was they did show Danny throughout that process after one under and all this other stuff, you see it. I mean, you you seem glimpses of this is the beginning of episode. But again little by little you, see how she slowly realizing everything that's ever really been hers has been there for her as being taken away from the find her piece by piece as the fine has been taken away because of her circumstances things like that. And also is interesting that the closer Danny gets to her suppose a goal. Yeah. The more. She loses herself the less. She's yourself the more. She loses mentally physically all this stuff. Motionlessly all be wear. What she says her goal. What do you have to give up dream? Yeah. So. So all this shit is happening. And we find out that you as you said Porsche, your Ron or Bennis mean said, you're on has MS. And when I saw that one. Before we get to that bad to biblical allusions. What does the main gain, you know, if you gain the world, but you lose your soul? Like there is a Sunday was sitting there. And talk about losing your soul. A light woman says you. About another white mean, mocking a black woman. She hasn't chains. Oh, what about that breaker of chains? Ha ha I ready fifty row. Something guy, sir. Sees face on the TV screen. Fifty three percent. Like, all I kept saying all. Once again, look at this woman calling herself to breaker of chains. Which is also. Yeah. Just the left side liberal, right talk conservative left side liberal, you know, both y'all problematic. But the fact that she's just like gloating about putting a black woman in chains. Once again once just been free cold, the only black home as far as I can see from the right? Ever interacted with her whole which line which begins this this scene in general just begun the descent for me in to rage because I'm like so after all dragon. Dragon. Different. This is different black woman myself in me and have our head down. We are. I I was literally punching I was like I can't control my boys in the hood. You were punching there. I was I was like like my fist power. Like, I just what do. Two boys. Head right. We've come to the point where some people argue, maybe she never had anything more than this. But you've reduced to a plot point. No way ever having more my point some people say she never having. But there have been many cases where they say at least verbally. She said what she needed to say. She's had agency. Yeah. Verbally and she did have agency. What she I chose to be with Chelsea she she can choose to be what's he has chosen. She choose this certain things in the beginning. She was she chooses to tell her. Last. I mean, okay. She has the last word, and it's great. But who is that the last good thing that she does is reinforce her allegiance with Danny when she's at winter fell with sunsets hearing whenever they're having discussion. That's like the last year. They stay. And then you kind of face a death and then again twice. In the face of death, new when she and grey, worm we're discussing what they would do if they live that it was over for when they started talk about going to the summer. I'll was a it was a. It was over. But I was foolish enough to thank the, man. Who's going into the battle is going to be the one who does. No, no, I knew both of them. Both for y'all got to go. No, no. I knew like I say there's a lot of foreshadowing a bad for shadow Annetta pursued. But who else try to make some? So I bring bran got knighted she done. Now, she got mistakes their goal. You're going to go out with Jamie or something. Yes. To believe this RC, pregnancies though. No. Because now now she's telling your Ron for this job, baby. And we I think you or someone else then I mean, someone has had had predicted that she was going to just assign the baby to your on are still believe used to believe she's practice. I don't believe she's fine. She's pregnant I still don't believe she's very I think she's lying to you. Then I love that people are like she should have just like I'm back on Sunday that they're like she's like she should is grabs her see happening growing. But it never happened. Never have Mallon is quicker than you think. He cut in her down together. I mean. Yes. Yes. One way or the other. So that ain't happening. But yes. The mountain does cut down. She was sitting. She's sitting literally on the edge of the wall. There's no way she's getting out of the situation. She's in king's landing. She has no allies. There's no one there. She is going to die like as soon as forgot captured. She was going to die, and she even grabbing thirsty and jumping off. That's you know. No that is not happening. That's not happening. You know, just to make a few notes about a couple of the happened right before the. Disastrous. Ating disastrous rage ful decision decided to do with the sandy we another war room scene happens. You know, you really you end up getting with various interior who having this conversation about Danny being tyrant or, gene. Need this honestly, five oh nine even because they had they've had discussions and other seasons where they did talk the marriage of her being clean, and it was it made sense. And I liked it. They have this discussion that they've had this season episode one this season episode to sorta driver murdered. They should have had this a long time ago, and they're finally here. And I guess I mean, technically, they didn't notice. Tron difference maker. They had nobody else envisioned, but it shouldn't. Right there Sohn's. No, it's. Better than better than Danny. I'm taking Sahhaf has to. Darius is the Papa pope restaurants as he says protect the round is the from equals equals protect the Republic. And also is and he makes it clear to tearing that I think he basically a he basically confirmed that he's going to put an assassination hit on Danny? It's like some point very very soon. You think that's mystery of that? Oh, yes. I took that from that conversation between various Papa pope of west arose Tyrian. I took away to basically told -tarian I had this nation plot. You hear a boy, I'm assessing her kit ready. Yes. And Syrian was like are you Tyrian was trying everything he was like, well, don't you think he people that stupid card again maybe rule together? I love this comes back to that awful image that was on Twitter and internet. Oh, it's gonna be Danny and John ruins here. Little fascinating that. It's the reality. It's show watch it. But it just keeps saying, oh they could rule together. Like, no. Also too dumb asses. Make some smart. Man. Like some of this was also shaved problem shades of of a US presidents too. Because you see two advisors in the back talking about how the rump should be run when you have suppose, it king and Queen who are who are in some ways just figureheads if you have people in the back really making decision so at the same time shade there. I love how like as soon as various started talking about the mayors of John being king, treason and then tearing. You know, that's that's treason like Rex. But like legit like Danny were. As she had better stock of who she had she would have a little finger in her Corey. And they would have been listening in on the station. All wondering when I thought daily walk in word that's going back. Kind of. Sunday was kind of sometimes like the person who would be like, hey, aren't you didn't have a right here. Also anymore. Also, never more coke. The raven. Also before the deceitful scene of killing Masan day. We also see Jamie Rianne going at it again or after after point out the dreaming put that ASA sleep twice put out to you. As. Out to you that Jamie, Jamie will never not be James a monster for doing this to bream. And that was her virginity. Bre like brand said stay with me. Just be with me. And Jamie, finally, Ben, I'm mean longest time. Jamie is not a good person. Anyway. His bills knowing about himself. Yes, Jamie is on a path of redemption. As I've said many times, this is this what you call classic. He woke redemption ark Spinney spending, this classic roic, redemption. Ark Jamie will dies I've said before, but he has redeemed himself and flash started pushing my man out the window and give them superpowers. He said it. Say superpowers when he said, that's a Brienne. He said I pushed the child out a window could use it as his base choking. I'm a monster because I killed them. He said that he say. He's done all of this. I received this. I've done this. I did there. Now when green. To now. And he also he didn't say yo also save dry asses by killing king. But you know, y'all winning remember L he used it. He used that to make his point of how much of a monster. He he didn't say I killed the king and save cane's landing. He really said I killed a king. He said I killed my cousin. He didn't mention the king. He mentioned the king. Oh, well, he should've said what he really did save Kane's Landon. But you know, no, no that he knows he's a monster. And I'd like I respect that. He knows who he I tell him. Color. Here. He's a hero even even know the actor called himself here on Ellen bear we go back to catcher two different. But the character is on a redemption story, and we'll see how it all plays out. Oh, we know that. But. Oh, no, no. He's already my Tyrians. Always here. I need to have a nice like little like chat with the active. Like, you know, what you're my hero word. I will phase. So after that happens again, we get to this ridiculous fucked up scene. And this is the part. I mean on tap everything else. I still haven't expressed my full range, but on but in addition, let it out. Why did they have to have grey worm watch this where else are you going? My point. Wait. What does he have to watch on top of everything? Do you think? He would choose not be there. We're not. Of course, I'm turns of writing I mean because we're all sea-going meter. Choose he's writing, and he has to be there has to what would you choose? The do didn't need to see this Sunday. Didn't need a die. This. All true. Yes. But wrappings happened to all like once again. I mean, the thing. There's anybody litters many colored right? Point them in the war. Very clear speeches about going. Gaza. I want them to be the one I feel like all the messy stuff that people have done. People of color should be the ones that get the happy ending everyone else. Let the wasting. To everybody listening. Okay about the shoot. Whether the jokes are not about about the color skin. The worst the point is it's because they're so few. It's more pronounced things happen to them in that way. Especially when you say when you bring up the item like you said Porsche about Surti saying this line about breaker chains talk, which induces images and thoughts of slavery. And and literally born by two white limits. So it's just like it's so many whether the writers are not obviously didn't they weren't thinking in that way. But that's my point. And that's I mean. At the beginning of the show of this episode of this podcast, where he said why we need more riders of colors in the writers reducers boosters people everything runners caller and not to say that necessarily would have changed episode. But I think that would have been more. It would not having. No, no, you never know. I'm driving. You never know. Tomorrow than when like. Token. So that's what I'm saying that it's this much more pronounced when things happen to at least they wouldn't have met that phrase breaker. Right. And especially when things happen to the only black woman on this show. She's being used as a problem between two white women who have an argument about their little random ass war. Like, you said it really has nothing to do with black women. And this is just an aside, and we'll get back to to closing this episode. But black women are barely in fantasy barely barely and my family. I don't think independent in the eighties. I don't mean stuff. That's clearly coming out and internet seller. Talking about people talking about black women right now. Yes, black woman, particularly and I'm saying that because this is someone as a fan of fantasy and Saifi at all that stuff. We are so marginalizing infringes in general. So to see this happen on such a huge on a worldwide scale. Let's be real this game of thrones is a worldwide scale. It's even more damning and hurtful I grew up playing dungeons and dragons since before I even read comic book. So if anyone knows me, that's how. Ep kits and for the most part most of my characters longest resemble does one dude who I saw who was kind of brownish, you know, but I consider him Polet because I knew he wasn't. But I was like, okay, that's the best. And then later on they had drizzle who's dark elf. And after that I saw to making a lot of care dark elves. Because it was you know, but that's the best. We can. The colored else evil. That's the best. We can give jokes. But it's also like. Yeah. Like, we see we see what you're doing. It's not like, oh that was just like this one character. You can't say that one is always like the only actor like again, legit legit, everything about her everything she represents this. Nobody else like her was like her on this show. Only one that also represents something as we said before this is yet another Turner, snapping whatever's going on. Vannice Danisa, poor brains. Wow. Because this is STAN did Danny Danny Thanos, Dan. Because this is that time because once again Masan was the one who even more than Tyrian represented that you'll chew side banning go, you ain't gotta be like this and hike Matic. It's going to be able to be like appeal to her in a way that was gonna help her see like yelled their f-, but you don't wanna add up there, and the one who had come from that the personal caller who'd been a slave. Who is I yo- I've been there. I don't want the rest of the Peens land into get burnt up. Like, you know, 'cause I know people like that. I was one of those people she said that oh. Oh after seeing them, she's like car, and she she gives that basically that last command or last order last wish to Danny and Danny has officially broken. You. See I filling spaces legit like is it Ron or whatever that's all players. And I give he's like sitting there. And he's looking like a word, and he's like the best way Alonzo Mourning that you're on the castle bland pod Twitter. But yeah, we're he sets what's going on. I just think just I just interestingly enough just that scene was good too was interesting to watch from a break. Now perspective to literally see Danny sna-. You see the snap Ning ham was she snapped her bodies. And that's a Reagan fell because she was ready to go pants on the ships with drogue on issues like drove on better. Flying for me over ten ships. -ships got at least one. I'm good. Family. She saw her face her face. She's been breaking. Thanks, keep falling. She keeps breaking Masan NATO. And she's like straight up nebula in this piece. You know what? I mean like you seem you know, look what I've been through and in quite little pieces of self and quite literal terms. We basically end with the understanding that just wants to see the world burn. But the only thing that I don't like about this is that they made a big point to say we want the I she she agre agrees that she I she's like on board with all talking about. Let's talk first while we'll blow it's not gonna work. But she's like, the very least though at least people will see that. I offered her the opportunity as she spat on it that'll be the most I'll give her. But the problem is the only witness exchange are the. So it's like we're spread. This was supposed to. Word spread. But also, my problem with that one was once again like people gave her eighty of vice because tearing this fucking point Jesus Christ odd, you have to realize it's not about that. He's the worst literally just like I felt like Tyrian. He should I really am annoyed. And I'm really hoping I know they're probably never come me. But you know, part of my heart. I hope we see in the books that bears in some is still on Danny's court because he's actually useful. And he's a good counter to the Tyrian thing. But it's not gonna matter because in the books, even this is how trying to go down as we see like because that's one thing. I will do them. They've stayed true. Especially with from the beginning. Search is not going to fuck about everybody here in because Tyrian finish their everyone has to begin search. He is not going to an from beginning. Like, I've said they've been subtle hints. That Dany is going to follow this, Danny? Is going to have power to join the corrupter absolute power, Donna Karan. When you have these dragons, you're going to have an issue, and she keeps saying I wanna break, I wanna break with that are everywhere. She goes she his keeps that we ought to say, it's the power. That's I only the power is. What's crafting her? I think it's that she's losing herself. And that's what's corrupting her as do with. I amass all this power. Now. I'm ready to bra is literally like she's falling apart like an front of our eyes. She's not the purpose. She would could be father fell apart too. I mean fees into what I had said earlier about her slowly losing pieces of herself as not as the season continues as like her main people who have her back, the most love her the most like imagine like everybody loves essentially just being killed and even more taken away from you. And you have no support I've been predicting this for a while, you know, to Danny would turn into the mad Queen or whatever I still trying to goofy to waiter going about it. Quite mad Queen in a sense of you just lose it for no reason. Nobody came to the loser for any reason mad reason his reason for the times talks about it. It's like, he just no. The show's not doing a trail of this. How did he go med bridge version please locked up for a long time his daughter died while he's not the he was on the throne. He. Throne for about like fifteen or twenty years or whatever. Then Taiwan was his hand had all the money. Everybody was it's high when he got this strategic general strategy Ella, blah, everyone went to Taiwian whenever the requests. Because the king was busy a bridge over. Once he gets tired of high when being getting all the recognition stuff he tries the fires high wind he puts his Mafa making Jamie kings guard that means Jamie, canton here at the winds all happens. They do a battle. He gets siege. He goes crazy under the seas. So jealousy. Made him mad jealousy. Made him made him start doing erotic things with the court, and we see the shades of this. When it comes to Danny when she sees everyone loving, John all this stuff. But then they take it another level by killing miss ending killing her dragons and continuously to take take from her. She also makes it very when she was only have one again with rose, no shit. Maybe should've stayed in the east. And then I mean back to my king. He he broke down when he couldn't trust anyone. And now donaire may not be able to trust. Anyone may not may not. Tant you done then trust. Trust is not the you've been. You've been worm. That's probably Lou how green white. Yeah. Episodes credible. Everyone everybody. It's a slaughterhouse nets episode. She wants house with them scorpions on the on the balanced life. I shouldn't do a one hitter. Quitters? I like the way that I mean, I saw one dragon or not one train that one was actually like a streak took that one out. So she feels like she knows she knows when she can do something. So she's probably like banking on like I can figure out a way to fix to get through. Another thing is when that preview something that we're not expecting it's coming. So I'm interested in whenever that is brought to be some more twists and turns. Because maybe you're moonshot dream of being another dragon egg somewhere or like somebody would have someone with a dragon secretly, right? And how big. We didn't know about and house is going to be really the Caribbean. Dragon like. My other dream of dragging bombs the pirates of dark water dragon last balls come in handy. Name Morris coming you know. We know who's coming back. Cal drogue on them, man. He's coming back by one in the sky wave out vapor. We don't know what the hell's about the happen. So here we are. Now at the end of episode four what are the predictions for next up? What's happening violence? Fire blam bled. Fire and book fire blows a lot of five lead. Vengeance here. A lot of a lot of just immediately burning down cars trying to. I'm trying to I think the first let's have with John John's coming up the kings wrote the job was on his way over on kings road. He don't know what it is happening it. Well. Well. We'll see we'll see the interim. Being a dumb ass. Yeah. 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Electric Bookaloo: Eddard VI

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Electric Bookaloo: Eddard VI

"Welcome back to game of thrones to electric bucaliu host. Anthony chat is back to talk about and it's six pm. Chapter also include an excerpt of my conversation with professor lisa wolf fork wherein we talk about the breath ian mentality when it comes to inheriting the throne so i'll include that upfront. My conversation with janna matthews will be in the bird's eye view section without further. Do here is professor lisa fork. But what was interesting to me this thing. That always boggles my mind about. The moravians want to have an orderly line of succession. Which i think is absolutely absurd considering that they took the throne by force. Why would they not think that you know when you when you get to the target areas. Who'd had it for hundreds and thousands of however many years they haven't -ociety you. You took it. You usurped them. It's like know up the bridge and said now no one now the bridges sacred after they blew it up. Yeah they blew it up and they built a new one instead. No one ever blow up bridges again this this new permanent thing. I basically and it's just like this is the thing that gets me withstand status. You have got to be out of your mind first of all your horrible second of all your brother killed for this thrown. Why do you think someone's just gonna give it to you. I mean yeah and just that. He's so incredulous about why anyone would ever oppose him. You know you know why it's because this is something he and robert. I'm net having common. They believe in the structure you know they might have broken one structure. They might have taken that person out. They never think the structure itself is bad. They never look at the structure of what this could. Just be some bullshit you know because they think that because they put quote unquote good people in it or quote unquote their people in it. Now it's gonna be better right. And i think that like i'm thinking of like something various said and i forget where he said it but i think he's in conversation with a little finger where the two of them are both kind of acknowledging that this is a system built on lies and for little finger. That's that's sort of an excuse to just play fast and loose with the system for paris. It's like yet. But what if the only thing we have our allies if if not for the lies the other thing that we can get chaos like those are your two options And i think that that in itself is a ally but that that's what holds a lot of it together. Is this belief that yeah. We're all like living under this order. That's built on a lie but if we don't have the order the only other option is chaos and and it's so interesting and this is what's so i think that in some of my other capacities anti-racist organizer in someone who's committed to to black liberation. It's that people are really afraid of something new. And even if it's chaos exactly and so we hear words like chaos. We hear words like anarchy and it strikes terror in the hearts of people but it strikes terror in the hearts of people who are already being served well by the current system. And this notion that that you call it. Chaos overlooks the fact that there are people living in chaos already a threat under the system that you've created that you say is just and it's it's a chaos that is is you know it like the devil. You know right exactly. It's is but these are our lives. We've come a long way using these. This episode is brought to you by. Hp instant inc. No one is reading your mind. But hp instant inc knows when you're printer is running low and sends you new cartridges. So you never have to think about amc. Save up to fifty percent. You'll pay less than five dollars a month for inc and never run out again. Find out if your printer is eligible and enroll today at hp instant inc dot com conditions apply for details visit hp dot com slash. Instant inc spotify. I'm going to start with a bold statement chad okay. My bold statement is that ned has decided to fight. The wrong battle is that there's a severed head. There's a there's a woman's severed head in the rainbow pool chad and other than various. No one gives a damn and here. Net is tootling around with a book of lineages and tracking down. Bastards at at the blacksmiths street. The weird soft spot for various. No one cares. I don't care about various. In this case i care that no one cares about the damn severed head. That's a very noteworthy. Everyone shrugging off their severed head. He did not say he. What did he say. It was dreadful. Something like well. It is dreadful dreadful. But i don't i do not include it various gears or or that he cares very much. Okay okay yeah could be that viruses. Just saying what he thinks ought to be said but why does it need care but the severed head. I don't think you are right to say that. Ned doesn't care ned immediately. Beefs up the one of call him the gold cloaks with his own men in response to that so i think On behalf of ned right. I think what i would say is nets already fought in in won that battle. He's already dressed at issue. There's a serial killer on the loose in king's landing i. I don't know that there are multiple heads. But if there's one severed head floating in the rainbow pool you can rest assured there will be more and ned. Ned is not doing enough to research that problem right well. He's playing a game of thrones and stupidly stupidly crime. In king's landing is jury to investigate the saverin had ned. it would not advances interests when it comes to the game. Okay alternate theory. Ned doesn't care about the severed head and doesn't really do much about it because ned created the severed head. We know that ned likes to lop off heads. Yeah he likes to do it himself. he's out at night. No one knows this but he's out at night chopping heads off. This is wild speculation chopping heads off your and ending hats off as general problems with the hands. Turney yeah well. He's clearly frustrated with the hands. Turn he doesn't want it to be called that okay fact fact number one net is a serial killer. Alright we know. That's a fact. If men travel south of the wall he chops off their head and he makes sure that he swings a sort himself. He wants to do it so he's killed multiple men in his life. Yes can you deny that chen. I do not deny that. He has killed multiple men in his life. So net is a serial killer. That's fact number one. That's all it takes back number. Two his preferred method of murder is beheading. So you're saying fact number to acknowledge the fact. His preferred method of killing is in good faith fact. One serial killer effect to he prefers to chop people's heads. And then we're met with this problem of a severed head floating in the rainbow pool. And ned wants to change the subject. Yeah you ed it. He's he's clearly at fault here. Yeah well. I wouldn't want to argue with you about this. I feel it's a it's a pretty compelling case. It's a good thing that is not a real person because you really smearing him all. I'm just here to relay the facts. That's what i that's what i'm here to do. Have you ever received a quote unquote honor of the sort. That net is receiving a robert tournament. I never have in fact the way that i was told that i made full. Professor was an email from the accountants department saying hey we forgot to upgrade your paycheck and so you beginning underpaid for the last six months so So here's here's the money. That's how that's how little honor i was shown when i made full professor so much better than the usual way. That's done. I prefer it absolutely. I prefer because it was like. Oh wow so money. And no one cared. Nobody cared about me. So yeah yeah. What about you you ever. Have you ever been honored at a a martial tournament. no i have not but I guess i've probably received extravagant gifts that i thought were Like a bad idea before. I don't wanna i don't wanna call anybody out Come on come. it's not nice. Who is it. it's my wife. Isn't it no no. Your wife gives wonderful chatting. I'm gonna give my synopsis of the chapter. Excellent all right. This is nets sixth. Pov chapter ned is doing nourish things. He's complaining about the upcoming turney. He's refusing to laugh at jokes and he's shrugging off the news of severed heads. He lends his own men to the city. Guard to keep the peace and he tells baylor's to find the money to pay for another fifty men. He returns to his tower to read a book that john aren barred before he died. It's book of lineages and seems to be of little interest. Jewelry recounts his efforts to interrogate for witnesses. That baylor's pointed out one of the pot. Boys mentioned a high end armor sewn. Ed visits history steal their. He talks to motte and learns about genry. Netted uses that. John aren for some reason had tracked down robert baratheon. S- bastard so chad would you like to talk about a character a theme pop point or shall you and i climb the ladder of chaos. Can i choose a different option than any of those. Is that allowed. You're the first to suggest it. Yeah and i'm going to allow it. Because i'm kind of curious to see what doesn't fit into these categories. Well here's what it is. It's kind of like the ladder of chaos but it's an orderly series of items that i wanted to cover the ladder. Well yeah it's just a lot of chaos regular ladder. It's an orderly. it's i don't know if you realize they ladder of order. I'd like to hear about the ladder of order. The okay so the first thing i wanted to ask about is number one so in the in this chapter were told that gary was brought to this armourer by a mysterious figure ray with a with a beard and stout build and yeah i think it's various round of shoulder and yes online if you if you're curious about this like i was last night when i read it in a in a new movie about it it's pretty clear that there's a lot of nerds online who think clearly various i. Well i'm i guess i'm i'm one of those. I'm a nerd. I haven't posted anything online. But i think it's various Go go ahead continue. And i think it's a here's might take on that theory. That's a plausible theory and there is evidence that it was various. I'm gonna read it. He was stout rounded shoulder. Not so tall. As you brown beard there was a bit of read it. I'll swear he were rich. Cloak that i do remember heavy. Purple velvet worked was silver threads but he had a hood that shadowed his face. I never did see him clear. That's how he's a go ahead. Continue so the evidence is that we know various takes on a disguise of a bearded and old man Because he appears in that. Guys to ned when ned is in the Black cells later in this book well various was an actor in a former life and so he's got disguises. Sure he's so we know he. He has disguises. He's a little shorter the net. He's ran you know he's a stout of build. You know that kind of thing. It's easier throwing appeared in a hood. That's what he did and then clash of kings Varis says deterioration that that he various took steps to make sure that gandhari would make it out of king's landing after it became known that he was robert's bastard. That's the evidence. Okay okay. I i find that inconclusive. But let's it's it's a lot weaker than my net is a serial killer theory which is very very strong. You suppose though for the sake of argument that various it really various and so he's had a long term concern with gandhari and making sure that countries okay My question is why would various care so much about gandhi. Well i it's hard to know various motives about anything. That's the first thing. I'll say one thing that we do know about various that he's not all that invested in the breath the lineage in fact he may have designs to put a target syrian back on the throne right. Yeah so if he has access to a potential barath an usurper that may allow. I mean he may be just be saving away a little chip to sort of so descent in the breath ian ranks. Yeah that's i. I mean it could be an asset. That he doesn't know what he's going to with yet But it's not beyond his purview. To kind of try to keep keep sort of an ason is leave. You know what i mean. Now when someone is illegitimate in this world that's a pretty big mark against them as an air unless they get a big old army and say you know you need. Here's what you need to be king in this world more than lineage. You need a big old army and a good narrative and if you can come up with that then you can rally the troops because other lords will flock to power and as long as there's some sort of narrative that legitimizes someone you know they'll make sense of it you know. They'll make the narrative worked for them so that they can maintain their own seat. Break so you know if someone like various ever decided. He wanted to create enough trouble for robert to sort of be looking this way while there's really you know target sayin- Claimant coming from the other direction. I don't know do. This is all kind of just set up a possibility i on. I'll repeat what i said before. I don't really understand various motives. Okay but you're pretty convinced that it's various who was saving henry. I i mean. I don't know for certain but it seems like from what we know what we learn a various later on. This sounds like a lot of what the kinds of things at various does. Yeah dresses P you know he's he's dealing actually kinda kindly with this boy. He's giving them a good a good life and he probably wants something out of him eventually but he wants to know where he is. He wants to stow away somewhere Even if he doesn't know yet what what the use is ray knows it. There's value there and he doesn't want the value. To just kind of slip away into the the gutters and wind up in a bowl brown. Is it possible that he just is a has a streak of goodness in embarrass. I think so. I think he really does care. About the realm. I think he viruses one of the very few people in the story that comes from common birth and he's not a lord although some people call him lord and when he says that he cares for the realm or you know trying to keep some semblance of sort of order so that the small folk don't suffer. I believe him when he says that i don't think is out for his own. I don't think he's. I don't think he's analogous to little finger in that way. And that's why. I think those two are interesting dialogue partners. They're both very underhanded with very different motives. That's that's my take on barris. The you're you have you as i noted before you has sort of a soft spot for paris and i do a little bit. Yeah i do. And he made in your view he may be one of the few characters who's actually on some level may be just a streak of of good Concern with actual good. I think he has a moral compass. Yeah that's it. I think he does. And i think like we talked about previously. I think that he's willing to get his hands dirty and do quote unquote bad things. Because he thinks that there's a greater good at the end of it. Do we know farris ever doing anything evil. Well that's a good question. Many spies on people as he. He's got a child labor problem by the standards of this world though. I mean that's not a child. Labor promise clearly. Put these kids to work. Yeah probably paying them in candy or whatever. He's probably making them work more than four hours on a school night. absolutely yeah. he's not seen to their education. As far as i can tell. So that's you know that's to say like not we're not too aware of of anything real dark. That barra has done yet. I would have to kind of really sort. Put a microscope on that. Maybe maybe listeners can can fill in the blanks. He can book bald. Move dot com. Let me know a virus has ever done anything. That's clearly immoral. I would be very interested to know. I'd be a little bit like strider. He he seems a bad i but he actually is good. Honestly i don't even know various is a eunuch. That's that's good. i mean. i don't know if anyone's checked. And if you wanna make yourself an outsider right so no one really wants to get close to you right. Confuse the motives of you know what people would consider the usual motives of men. Yeah telling people you're unique when you're not really a eunuch right. You can probably confuse a lot of people. Yeah that's true you know and it kind of fits too. Because sometimes i've wondered like viruses is so smart and and so strategic. Why does he present himself in such a creepy fashion. Yeah addresses weird. Two major theories on this chad over. Does it with the powder. One theory is that he's actually alirio. Mo- pat asus wife and he's oh and she is passing herself off as a eunuch The second theory is that various man. Right i've heard that. And i prefer the latter to be sure but unfortunately i think that maybe. I'm going to be disappointed on that front. And okay my next question. But ver- we're moving on in a very orderly fashion no game My next question is what's really up to with a lock. It that was very. I don't remember that. I when i was reading this chapter this time i was thinking i don't remember this. I must have skipped right over this. Because i'm not sure what to think about that whole thing and i don't know what to think about ned take on it. Yeah i'm gonna. I'm actually going to read this. Because i think a lot of our listeners won't remember this passage yep then was not sure what to make of friendly with all of his friendly ways. An easy smiles. A few days past he had taken net aside to show him in exquisite rose. Gold locket inside was a miniature painted in vivid mur style of a lovely young girl with those eyes and cascade of soft brown hair ren lee seemed anxious to know if the girl reminded him of anyone. And when ned had no answer but a shrug he had seemed disappointed. The made was lewis. Tyrel sister marjorie. He had confessed but there were those who said she looked like liana. No net has told him bemused. Could it be that lured ren readily who looked so like young robert. Hey conceived a passion for a girl. He fancied to be a young liana that struck him as more than passing queer. So does readily have a love for liana. That's the first question answers. No right. it's a good question The second question is net. Seems to think it strange. That may be louis who looked so much. Like robert has affection for a girl that looked so much like liana. But that doesn't think that it is liana or it looks like ana. I just figured out what the problem is here. Chad do you have a do. You have a A theory on this. Because i i feel pretty convinced by my theory that i just concocted in my head. I still think that ren liaison roberts team at this point. I don't think that ren lee is i think bentley is thinking that maybe if she looks like Ned sister Maybe they can get robert interested in her instead of sursee. Here's my theory. It's not a a miniature made to look like marjorie. It's a miniature made to look like loris who we know has long flowing locks brown hair and ren lee has had his made but he's going out of his way to show people. Hey look i had this made of marjorie and of course it's in a style where you can't really tell and So this is ren leigh's beard france. I would say beard. He's trying to make people like ned think that he has a A soft spot or he has a little crush on marjorie when in reality he and loris are together. That's that is my take on this. You don't see it as anti scheming. I don't see it as anti-serb scheming. I think that. Ren louis is trying to fashion narrative so that people don't suspect him of being gay do you. Okay do you think that in this. Do we have evidence that ren lee would want to hide the fact that he was gay so up until this moment up until this very moment i was thinking you know the the show really kind of played this up and in reality we have very little evidence that readily was gay. We have this one sort of cryptic claim that it'd be really hard for him to conceive children. It was made by a joke of one of his brothers like like. Yeah yeah good luck with that because they know something about ren that would make it hard for him to to sire error. Something yeah But this seems to me like Like maybe martin told weiss and benny off what was only implicit in this narrative yet. It seems a very odd thing. And then what does martin do ned response to say. This is more than passing queer. Which means one thing in an ancient context and another thing in a modern context. I think this is martin's wink to us. You think that he is queer. Yep that's what i think. I don't know maybe it feels like a stretch. I'm not sure that's that is my. That's my take on this. And certain as the net is a serial killer par. But i feel like i'm onto something but i will go to that other than the other suggestion that you made. I do think that ren the already has designs for the throne. Is that right. I think he already is putting pieces in place Maybe making an alliance with the tyrrells. Or whatever i think. He's already kind of fashioning a an alternative plan in the case of robert's death i don't know if he's plotting robert's death but i think he thinks i better be good at politics. I better be good at glad-handing the masses and being in making myself into sort of a populous leader. Because i may have to battle stan us at some point for the throne. That's that's my take on ren these sort of realpolitik yes. Okay all right. I have one other question. I wanna ask okay. This is the last rung okay of the orderly ladder. I remember the first time. I read this chapter and i thought That johnson based on this chapter. I thought oh probably jon. Snow is a braathen because of his black hair You know he. He doesn't actually have black hair. Think he has brown hair and he's supposed to look like a star cried But i just think my reasoning was really simplistic. And i know that this is not. I think this is not true. Now i mean i think this is known to be not true but My reasoning was something. Like oh i see so. We have a situation here where it's coming out that that robert has kind of scattered illegitimate children all across the realm And so that's what we're kind of learning in this chapter. And then we know that. John is a at least supposed to be an illegitimate child And it's by now you know. Even a casual reader reader will have wondered. Who really is john. You know this who who really is john's father. Is it really net or is it misled covering for someone. And i think you just put all that together and it's at least a natural idea that. Oh maybe maybe he's perha- ian offspring and You know what why that needs to be covered up is a is a good question but Well do you need your. Have you heard my alternate theory on this one. No well alternate theory is liana doesn't know who's the father could be robert or it could be radar so i think that the people argue that we know i don't know how they think we know this but they seem to think that we know that robert liana had no liaison yeah. I don't know. I don't know about that I do know that That everything in the books. Everything we know about john's true parentage. Yep is filtered through neds. Memory of leon. 'as confession and here's the wild card. I think i detect from martin a little frustration that that his schemes were were uncovered in And exposed before the appointed time and so i think that people basically had it right. That ray are was intended father. But but i think a big question that comes up is is martin frustrated enough to just figure out a way to engineer a change and i i don't i don't think that's impossible but i don't know yeah. Yeah so here's what i think is Indubitably true liana is convinced as radar son or she was convinced that it was rigged. Okay okay Now when i told this to my sister tara she was like no come on. I don't think that ray that robert ever consummated with liana. And maybe that's why he continues to hold a crush on her. She's she's different than all the other winches that he's vetted in the in the kingdom an emailer Sent me an email that he thinks that robert might have raped leeann a- and then he's projected that onto onto radar like. Where did that idea come from. Yeah maybe he's projecting his own That to me is like yeah. I don't know it seems pretty far. Fetched although here's what. I here's what else i know. Factually is that haircutters. Seems to reveal the plot in martin's world more often than not yet he likes to use that little device right. That was the last rung on your ladder We can no order in an orderly fashion. Please exit the ladder Some notable introductions We meet Togo motte tob tob aumont. I'm not sure how to say that anatomy man. Yeah he's the You know he's the sort of the high end Armor and he's he knows how to craft valerian steel. He claims he knows the spells. That will you know that. You have to use to bind the steel. That's an easy thing to claim when there's no variance dealer that's right. He claims he's learned it. In the forges of cohort. Yeah yeah that's pretty It's it's a bold claim. Mr maat We meet Again re for the first time gandhari should be taller. The actor that they chose to play hendry in the show. They wanted him to seem boyish. I suppose but he ought to be taller. I think they have to have chemistry with arya. Right you guess though. She's still kind of a little a little Yeah i never bought that chemistry We hear you know we hear about santa's ugly daughter for the first time so that that's the first time we hear about that Book versus show differences. The major. one here for me is that we find out that stan was involved in some of lord. Rn's detective work like status is going around with john. Aren trying to find these bastards right. And so then i was going to ask you. Is that why standards has removed himself to dragon stone. And if not why has standards removed himself dragonstar. Yeah i guess the way. I read it is i mean never really spells it out i think but i i guess he looks at the situation. He came to the conclusion that robert is both a fool and also surrounded with a murderous schemers And so he sees no way to save robert roberts doomed so he realizes well. I've got a. I've got a kind of retreat and gain. You know gather what strength. I can to prepare for the inevitable conflict win you know. Robert muses doom. The one thing i was thinking about was i mean the first thing i thought about was okay so jon orn was killed because he was poking around trying to find out who robert's bastards were and then so he thought well i'm outta here. There's someone's gonna kill if someone's going to kill the hand of the king they're gonna kill me but then i thought that's not really likes tennis to sort of temptation. Run right the other thing. I was thinking of what he thought. Well if roberts days are numbered the tarjanian tradition is that the heir to the throne is the lord of dragons stone and so he thinks i need to go to dragon stone for symbolic reasons. I wanna i wanna make sure that. I established myself as the lord of dragons in which he is in name or whatever. But i'm gonna actually be there symbolically when i come to take the throne. I've come from dragons. Don't just like all those other arguing kings right that that was. That was the second thing that occurred to me. And i honestly i don't know i i don't know those seem both like good reasons. I i don't. I'm sure he. It's plausible that you would think of both of those reasons. I've been doing this podcast for awhile. Now what comes next. I think that we're supposed to end it now. Yeah because we we did the synopsis you chose you chose something. That wasn't the ladder of chaos. But some some other kind of ladder. Maybe that's was thrown me I put forth my theory about neds. Serial killing ways. We did introductions and show differences. It's not it's not a serious theory. I think it's pretty serious. Not being offering good phase out some for you to know It's so i think that's it. I think we're done all right. Well it seems like. I'm forgetting something book versus show differences. Maybe i'm supposed to tell you that Thank you for being on the the the program. And tell you that it was delightful. That's what i usually say. Oh excellent yeah. Thank you for having me chad. It was delightful. 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T cut your wireless bill to fifteen dollars. A month at mit mobile dot com. Slash g ot. Stephen i cover second sons. This is the eighth episode of season. Three this is the tyrian and sonza wedding episode drunken tyrian doing his drunken tyrian. Things and poor gandhari get strapped to males bed. Here is comic. Steve osborne steve. Is dario horace attractive. So dario is the he's like the toll. Yeah mimbo for danny. No so you're going to say no. He's not a transit. That's an easy note for me really. Yeah okay you disagree interesting again. I think he's a. He's a handsome man. Goofball a goofball come on man you have to disrespect them i man you asked my. He's fall he doesn't wanna pay women for sex and he only wants to kill someone that wants to kill him. Yeah now. I really liked his life ethic. I liked him as the basis in winter. He does have a little bit of that sort of early. Eighties rock persona now in the book. He's got purple hair and a gold tooth. Would you admit that purple hair and a gold tooth man interesting. So would that help you. Where would so. I mean we're to take it that her Her slinky out of the tub. She's she's equally smitten. Well okay so he. He's a little bit like a cat. That brings you a dead bird as a gift where you can be like. I don't really wanna dead bird. But i see you've gone to the effort right. So maybe that's it. She's like look i didn't really want you know severed heads on my bathroom floor. I'm out trying to be there but it's the thought that counts. It's definitely a unconventional icebreaker. So add to our dismemberment count. Yeah and i don't miss. I don't miss those guys sucked. So yeah i think she. I think she's smitten. I think think she likes. I think she likes what she sees. I don't know if it's sort of like a. She likes the way looks or she likes his boldness. Well he maybe just the whole pack. He appears to be down for the cause for whatever reason he's down for the cause. He's an effective swordsman. Took out the other two captains Or the lieutenant. And the and i guess and then he he sneaky got into the camp okay well and in the same way. That danny doesn't like to be disrespected. I think that. I think flattery works on her to a certain extent. And you know he. He basically says we disagreed over the profundity of your beauty or whatever he says And you know look. We're all we're a little bit susceptible to flatter. Yeah he. he's he's a little sas sure. So there's that guy he's new to he's going to have to deal with the goofball never heard him described as a goofball give them another look melon melon gandhari. Yeah so we're all set up to see her a smoke baby. Yeah instead she she pulls the stand by me on them. Yeah she sur does so so. I'm elites right on the jumps on some little bit confused. And i think i'm supposed to be to some degree right. I mean. I don't think i'm supposed to know what that whole point was or did i miss. Well you tell me right. You're pretty astute observer. Well so she By i took it as glare. There was the phrase. You know the blood of breath. Yeah he's got a lot of blood. There are a lot of blood so whereas you know it seemed to be that that status was under the impression that he was going to be sacrificed We were under the impression. If i'm reading this correctly. We're wearing impression that he was just going to be pumping smoke babies now. It seemed like there may be other other elements to his T to having him available One of which. I think still is to pump in the smoke baby's okay. Well all right. So here's how i'm reading this so just a little bit of Semen goes a long way. Right can make make smoke baby out of that although maybe his guerrillas low or something now and a little bit of blood. I think i think that this little bit of blood is supposed to be proof to davos that a little bit of kings but goes a long way to go and so i know that they sacrifice this tiny little bit a you know these leeches by naming santa's competitors right they didn't and then service voodoo dolls earning. Yeah that's right. It's a good point But that the ultimate the ultimate thing is okay. Yeah if if if i can do this with this amount of blood right then if i do a burnt sacrifice of an entire kid with king's blood just think of the amazing things can do for you. But what did it do when he did the little blood thing. I don't think we've seen okay all right. So that's where i was like. Am i supposed to know what happened and that. I think that there's a little bit of of a cliffhanger. Okay now we do know that. Mel doesn't quite know the limits to the power here right. We've established that. She's she thinks she's got it it out but maybe she doesn't have it all on the resurrection. Still sort of exes are yeah yeah So there's that okay sam and gilly now. Did you catch the whole tree. Crow thing happening outside. So this is a is a tree. Okay but the favorite. Yeah we talked about. Where would trees it. I believe yeah all right. These are important for the world building here so ned stark and his folk worship these spirits. Yeah we've seen the well. There's the the the tree that they always hang out on her right. Yeah the tree winter fellow. Whatever if you're a true believer you actually believe that. The gods are looking out for you when you're near the trees like the show is trying to tell us in so many words. Someone's looking out for sam Okay so you got that tree. The trees kind of overlooking and then they'll start warning him that there's trouble bruin. I think we see two types of magic at least in the scene the ice monster magic but also sort of the the three eyed raven gone magic and sam gets to save the day she leave the dragging glass behind window why walker disintegrates and the dagger drops and then they run. It could be a an adrenalin thing. I kinda thought that the the dagger disintegrated to is that. Not the thought i saw it hit the ground. Okay all right yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's i don't know about that. That's a good question. I do know that when he found that cash of like a horn a bunch of obsidian. There was more than one dagger in their car. So all right. Sam whose primary attribute was really cowardice. Up until this point he sort of was able to push through the cowardice and kill one of the big daddy's yeah which now we know that there are sort of. They've got a kryptonite. They have a kryptonite. And sam is at this point the one that knows it. So sam's survival is now now matters more right so sam yeah right so samsung superpower was always that he read something in a book and now he knows how the world works or whatever yeah sint yet sam's brain needs to be preserved so yeah hounding are young their their journey begins. Yeah all right good. So the hound Claims to be taking aria to sell her to her mother and brother and she didn't try to kill him. Try to kill on rent. She was afraid that while she just saw him besta dude with fire sword so it's probably like and had to be real real good at killing somebody with iraq and i probably haven't done it. He's on our list is on the list but maybe she's thinking well if this guy's gonna take him into my my mother and brother right maybe i let the guy live for a while She she said in the previous episode when I think was barrack said. Who's your one. True god or whatever she says death which is sort of a call back to syria goes line like what are we. Say to the guy to death not today. She sort of taking those teachings almost religiously at this point right and when she goes to sleep she says the little you know. Death search does not like to be called sister. Do not call do not call her sister. That was good all right that that was good all right so we have a little bit of world building here with margarine. Sursee where she's explaining. This really popular song rains a customer and the just the whole just. The song is was written in honor of taiwan who basically completely wiped out another house. 'cause they disrespected him and taiwan's like all right. That's what you think about me. When i kill everyone and everyone that's related to you and All around western to sing this little song wings. Casta mirror and it's supposed to tell you. Just what a bad ass taiwanese and by proxy. I suppose surgery is a bad ass. That's her point. And i think marjorie takes the point. This is the tyrian wedding episode. It is and i guess there was a partner. That didn't think it was gonna happen for some reason. You well because you know in the modern world we do engagements like you know months. Sometimes years ahead also so used to like weddings. That shouldn't happen getting interrupted at the last. You know the final moment sure and it was not the case here boy joffrey just has it out for it does well. And he's like the perfect scenario because he he he has an adverse onto and so joffrey all right. So here's joffrey is real power because we saw what how little power jaffrey actually has. If it's just him taiwian alone in a room right but if they're in public right joffrey can do whatever he wants because now anybody who chastises the king is you almost compelled to punish him publicly he can say bring me his head. He can say that anytime you want. And then then. He takes the stool away from korean just to humiliate the guy that was very well directed to took their time with all of it. Yup and so you kind of get this idea that it's like a slap me to remember it. I can have you killed. And you know that. I can have you killed and so you just going to have to take this humiliation and let me just say drunk. Damage is just a beautiful sight. Oh man yeah. That's another thing. We watched several times franck linkage. It's an incredible fantasy football team name and it's just an incredible thing to see. This could be his. I mean if you're going to come up with sort of the top tier in episodes has got to be up there. He's delivering this. Massive range of regret drunk regret powerlessness threat. The threat to joffrey. Yeah you're going to be using a wooden cock. I mean and just sort of that Now i'm gonna pretend like it was a joke so i don't die right now right. He's using the whole canvas this episode and then the whole thing where shea comes in and realizes they actually consummate that was. That was kind of a sweet moment in italy rent. Yeah she's sort of like if ever you're thinking is this going to ruin them or or not. I think it keeps hold on the line keeps. Yes that's right. You're still hoping that those two were going to figure it out. Even after his wedding to someone else rush fourteen year old by the way it's been i vomited during the act one. I'll tell you all about it to get you the mood. What did he say. I'm not proud to admit it. But i think honesty's important is like these are all the thoughts that are going through his mind that normally get filtered and then i think my favorite line of the entire episode is when he raises his captains as a now. My watch begins. Yeah this this is you know. He's now he's a he's a member of the nightwatch in a sense right. Yeah that's pretty good sir sees complete dismissal of loris a really liked that that was so good is so gives you the imagine that scene just given drawn out no father. That was a total. Nope seen that was great. And so now. We're headed into Episode nine of the season which you know we should. We should expect episodes of my expectations. That should be now but this show is also bad a suburban expectations. That's the thing this is where this is. We're gonna find out if it's a trend right. Yeah where this is the but again. The subversion of expectations are not much. But i mean you've had two seasons. Maybe people aren't fully at the expectation yet but or find out if this thing is next. Three is usually a trend writing. That's kind of the the rule of thumb. That's right we have a number of characters who are imperil. they always seem to be all impair. Sam is certainly in payroll yet. Gandhi could easily again today as far as we know still tied to a bed. that seems problematic. Yeah there were. I mean look there you could be on at this point. Would you rather be. Would you rather be found again. I i would much there are now. There's the questions like 'cause you could you could conceivably think that they honest is dead right like the cut it up. Let them bleed out. But i get the sense that it's like that they would go through the extra effort of i would imagine they wanna keep him right right right right because you don't get the one of the points especially if you're not torturing for information you're torturing to to keep this torture gone and that's where i that's where i guess the curiosity after our last conversation about What is do for the ramsey characters. Like there's gonna be. I feel like there's gotta be some at some point. The point of this was for rob sake right. I mean that's now we're whether or not it's just that ramsey just likes to do well sure i- ramsey's has been given the opportunity to do something but the overall purpose not from ramsey's perspective necessarily is this is for rob. Rob wanted something done for what he did to winter fall. And so you would assume that. At some point rob is gonna wanna like check the receipts and i think rob wants him alive. I think rob wants to question him himself. I think he said as much like on. So this is where. I'm curious rights alike if we're meant to have our relationship to stay on complicated by the just the other degree of a sadism that he's encountering in his that setting up for the possibility that we see a compassionate rob in this regard in what would what would that do. I guess. That's what so. That's kinda. What what i'm curious about is is well. Here's the thing. If rub believes ramsey he will believe that his brothers are alive. So there's no need for vengeance. He could take vengeance for these commoners for the killed and he could take vengeance for what happened. Winter fell but at least there's not this sort of added motivation to take vengeance for the death of ricken and brand right But this all assumes that rob is going to believe what ramsey says about the boys being alive right. I mean look if lady stark has her way down deadbeat. I feel like the only person at this point with narrative armor is status. And the reason why. I'm saying that is that he says this line where he saw a vision of a great battle in the snow right and seemingly that suggests to me that okay. This was sort of some sort of prophecy that he believes in and so he needs to live at least long enough to sort of have a battle in this now right because obviously if he sees the battle and he wants to move towards the battle the battles would appear to have been in his favor. Yeah that's right if if this is what's motivating him so i think that standards is good. I think i think every one of these other characters could go. Bob jonah's jonah's seems like fair gain. Because he's got the complication of love and having to decide if he's got to go on this this fool's errand so to speak well and indecision is can be death rate right now if you don't try to be something and something else that that is the way of getting yourself murder right now. They're headed to the wedding right. Bad mir's wedding where rob can't be too popular. They're rob's not popular there. And we know that walder phrase a prickly. Yeah so we have a lot of things converging. Ed mir's wedding because we're so we're gonna see the phrase again of course and then rob and his mother going there and hound aria right. That's because he knows that's where they're headed. So that's where there were. They're going off to in jamie says something interesting not in this episode but the previous episode. Isn't he say something. Like give rob me guards or something like that to lord bolton right so lord bulletin may be going to the wedding but we know that lord bolton has made some kind of deal with jamie right so that's an interesting deal to right because there was a deal that was made between jamie and caitlyn. That's right and roose bolton seems to be doing some really piss off rob but that will get himself in the good graces of catlin right. Yeah that's an interesting dynamic to their right. I mean that's a. This is a choice that that bolton has made that. It's it's a little a little odd. I'm trying to figure. yeah i kind of. I don't know how that fits in with his relationship with robin. I think we're we're seeing. It seems like incurring. If i'm wrong is the the. The legend of rob is is has been short-lived. Oh in away. Well i mean before it was it was there was the sense of you know man. This guy's he's young. He's he's she's full of spunk. He's not losing any battles. He's got people that follow him. They seem to really be into them. And we've seen it with the. Oh the car star so yeah so like that. That issues been there. He's already made some questionable choices by foregoing an oath to be married to somebody else. There's this It just seems like we're seeing a lot of chipping away at rob. That like maybe rob would have much rather just be married and in winter and so it feels like he's while he started like some of his his legend has been stripped islands. Already talked about how like. There's less people this. He seems to be becoming less of a threat to folks and even he seems to be less motivated in this in the way that he was originally. So here's someone that for whatever reason he's a great warrior and yet because he's not nearly as good with the intrigue as thailand that he could perceive himself as losing the war All these little relational political decisions. He's not he doesn't seem to be doing as well on that front. He doesn't he doesn't seem to recognize the importance of it right. Like that's the difference between say like a tyrian and a tie win. Were like taiwan. Move his own children as chess pieces. I don't really care. This is not what is has never been. It's never been about you whereas rob is like. Hey i'm gonna change my mind because i'm in love with this personnel. Even though this could cause all kinds of problems at other people have. And i think even even said as much right like. I'm having to do this because of your oath brooke breaking. We're having to pay the price you you're ordering us to pay to pay a price for something that you caused all right so if you're going to put sort of a bet down let's say the season goes to form and there are some major death that happens on this ninth episode. You're going to put a bet down who's going to be on the top. The death pool Late stark any stark. Wow that's surprising. That is a surprising answer. We haven't even talked about eighty starkly. And i kind of feel like. That's that's why she's always kind of in the midst of danger right so she could be in a situation where she is reunited with her with one of her daughter's She's kind of in that she did the negotiation to get rob. Oh right 'cause walder fray in her mid the deal initially So there's a lot of there's a lot of high drama opportunity here right and then that could be also the fire. That sparks rob rob is already complex. He's he seems to be well. That would certainly spark. Robert would also spark aria right right so now if you have. No parents feels like rob is like. He's a little sparklers right now. He really was super-motivated when it was about vengeance. Bother and then life's like he's started. You know things started kind of going. Not well like as he's he's revered. He's in love he's going to have child. These are all things that seemed to like like like his father. Maybe are something. That's more of a priority for him and and something happens to his mother that it good or bad like it may motivate him right like if it gets motivated by again another element of revenge. And if he's still on these sort of if she dies and those two are not reconciled. That'll make it all the worst right right exactly. So there's so that becomes interesting dramatic point. I guess that. And that's and maybe. I'm looking at more less of a narrative leading me to that more of a This would be a an interesting plot. Mover. yeah and it would be pretty dramatic. I mean no one can it because she hasn't really been perceived as being endangered most mostly being sort of like a little bit of a complicated but also kind of a voice of reason endearing character seems like that works pretty well for for the show a showy. We plan to reconvene after you watch this next step. Absolutely miss episode is brought to you by made. Well ready to step up your denim game. The experts at made well us premium fabric and the latest denim technology to make super comfy. Never take them off genes in fits and styles for everyone but kind of jeans you'll reach for again and again get twenty dollars off. Your online jeans purchased by using code spotify twenty at made well dot com terms apply. Please see made well dot com slash promos for full offer details. How common was child marriage. Yes so Not that comment. And i think the best answer is not as common as we would think and the most common examples that we have come from royalty high-ranking kings and queens and in induce duchesses those were political alliances and many times those marriages as we've seen in game of thrones reformed admitted that a baby was born. You know you know the saxon average child into their married off to an individual from another country to form a political alliance and that there there are all sorts of rules and codes that govern those marriages. And so just because you are married or your betrothed discipline didn't actually mean that that relationship was consummated in fact there was pretty strict rules in laws regarding that so even if marriage happened. Let's say when a woman technically came of age which usually twelve depending upon the community and she could be married to somebody who has thirty years old or older but that relationship would not have been consummated until she was fifteen or sixteen and then he sends his she would have lived with her family or she would've been under the careful watch of other people that her husband's household so that's a good question so You know recently. I had caroline leering ten on and i was asking her about like danny's marriage. Yeah because dan. it's supposed to be thirteen. And she says she's or she she's fully notably pregnant by by the time she's fourteen years old Would someone like danny have been considered a child. Say you're considered a woman It gets really at sort of contextual dependent upon year in place but within church law that mean catholic law that the age of consent. Roughly speaking i think really trying to put me down as brought usually considered to be about twelve in so yes she would have been eligible to the married. There were cases where women were married. And you know had success at twelve and there was much more common for them to be a slightly older and in that case now an intimate cases for non royals the average age of marriage was like twenty to up to twenty five In so anything that that that really gets loss of more talking like ninety nine percent of the population isn't getting married much later and that was solely for economic reasons fade. You had to have a trade if you're a guy in order to start a household and for women and you know they needed at home to raise children into do to help assist with their their family work and so they weren't eager to marry them off until they were able to start their own family. Yossi that you know women. They they had jobs within the home but many of them are responsible and were helping their family and whatever industry or a job or trade they had to. So it's they were not they were not sort of Throwaway objects that they they were valuable workers. We're going to have jenna matthews on every week to answer a listener question of course in order to make this work. We're going to need your help. Please email to book at dot com if you have a question for janna. This can relate to a parallel to a character in game of thrones. Does that care to have an analog in the media world or it can relate to customs or lifestyle in the medieval world so book at bald new dot com book.

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The #ThronesYall Recap Show - Episode 4

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"You are listening to the black girl nerds podcast. The phone contains spoilers from season eight episode four of game of thrones. Thanks for tuning in to this episode of the thrones, y'all podcast, you're black rumored podcast. My name is Jamie. I'm your host episode four recapping tonight and weird waiting to break it down. I know many of you guys have tissues already and are in mourning and dealing with a lot of post trauma. So we're gonna get through it. And we're gonna go through everything that happened on this last episode so very excited that Jelica, and I enjoy our great moderator that does an incredible job of an outline and breakdown of the recap tweet. I love the fact that we have new guests that join us to talk about thrones y'all, and we have Natasha here with us to break down the episodes before we get started Natasha, introduce yourself to the black girl merits podcast on and still. Us who you are what you're all about. And what got you into game of thrones? Yeah. Yeah. I'm so excited to be here. I am a social Justice organizer in DC. So I actually really love the sort of connecting social Justice in kind of all of the ways that it like represents itself to the world of game of thrones. I think I'm just really fascinated by how smart the show and books are written and all of the different ways that you can kind of see our kind of real life journeys represented on the show and in the story and I've been in a game of thrones fan since season one on. After season one. I was like cooked, and I just blew through all five bucks that exists in Spanish and a couple of months, really and. Yeah, I just I just love thinking about all the different eccentricities in the story. So it about it. That's awesome. That you've gone through all the books. Anjelica still shames me that I have not finished storm of swords. So yeah, it's a shame. Yeah. I get on that. All right. We're great. Well, let's go ahead and get into episode four. All right. Let's do it. So just I'm just going to have to say this. This is a tough episode for me. I thought the long night was hard to watch this one just hurt my soul, and I was one of the stupid people that kinda accidentally stumbled upon the spoilers online. So I actually knew it was going to happen. There was another leak online. I'd heard about it looks like every week. There's a leaked attack Ning online with these episodes. So I have been I stay away from social media, especially Twitter because that's where a lot of these leaks are being revealed, and I get a updates from like the trade publications like variety deadline. So they'll report this, and then I'll see come up my feet, and I'm like, yeah. I'm staying away. Because he I did see the news about the leak, and they did leak a character death on soc. Oh media. So that sucks for the folks that saw that before watching the episode. That's so wild. I I don't even understand what you get out of doing that. You know what I mean? I think I think you know, it's just people that want to show that they had access to the footage in. They just wanna go ahead and show people. And unfortunately as long as people want to see it, then there's gonna people be people that leak that information out. So yeah, I don't know. I feel like low key HBO is like okay with it. Or like is make. Just because it's happening every week right before the new episode comes out. So it's almost like giving this, publicity and buzz. And of course, all of these trade publications mentioned before variety in deadline are reporting on it. So it's just kind of giving more attention to the show. So I don't I feel like maybe HBO's in on the Li I don't know who leaked it. But they just love to ruin things for us. Don't that? I've been been dealing with leaks for like what three seasons now. I mean, they haven't they haven't figured out a solution to that yet. They have to be part of the problem. I just know Notre show seems to have this problem too. So yeah, I believe it. I think it just goes back to just a Papua early of the show. People are always looking for a way to know more and more about it. So it makes sense that they're just experiencing leaks left and right? All right. So let's get into this episode. So we start off with the funeral pyres. And you basically are giving a visual of the carnage that happens on the last battle. So everybody kinda lines up. And they're each in. This giant sees me there each giving a torch and each person kind of positions themselves in front of this funeral pyre in the basically say goodbye to someone that was special or important to them. And this can is do anything about a Giora for the last time. Interesting thing about that scene is excuse me when Demi is like reaching down to Saco Bida him a merely the actress Amelia carcass director to whisper something. Sincere and special to the character Giora. England. No one knows what was said between them except for those two actor. So I thought that was kind of a sneaker by because it's not just Danny enjoy saying goodbye, Amelia and Iain Glen saying goodbye to each other. Yes. I thought that was really sweet. Come if a touching moment. And then so the next person that kind of says goodbye is Sonya to thing on and what I loved about that particular moment was the fact that Sanga puts the stark Cigielski pin on top of the ons body, essentially saying you're stock tube because she never really got its hell him that before he died. Yes. That was another touching moment. And you concluded the emotion on Santa's face. She's distraught. That she didn't really get a chance to say goodbye, which happens to a lot of us. But I thought that was a good moment. And then are ya her person that she burns his Barrick? He sacrificed himself for her. Then we have Sam who mourns Ed, and let's be real Sam is responsible for ED's death shit. I'm still mad for ad. Sam had no business out there. None. And then finally someone that John had so much respect for in basically was a small spider there, but took out the biggest enemy it was Liana stark. So John, essentially burned Liana. And so he kinda turns around, and he kind of gives us great speech, the eulogy kind of echoes that of the night's watch. He does advisory everyone to keep their memories alive. Which is basically the whole point of the last episode was preserved the memory of men. And then he says they were the shields that guard the realms of men, and we shall never see their like again, which is word for word the eulogy given to people that died in the night's watch. So I'm glad that they instead of just going into the next course of action for the story is to give us a moment to reflect and more in these characters because it was a pretty significant death are significant deaths that. Happened in that last episode. So we need to take a moment to just kinda breathe in like process this for a second. And I'm glad that they did this. I seen with this funeral so. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I really actually loved that that John was the one who you know, burned the pyre for Lyon a-, not only because she is named after his mother. So that's like kind of really interesting. But also, you know, house warm out was really the first house that you know, that they were able to like get on their side when they were getting all of the northern houses to to fight for them. Like all the way back to the battle of the bastards in like, you know, laying a more was like the first person to name him, you know, king in the north and like to call out all the other houses that didn't like show up when he when the Starks needed them, the most, you know, she's been kind. Like, what are their biggest hype girls honestly for a few seasons now? And yeah, it felt really appropriate. And that was really that was nice touch. I really liked agreed. Was I didn't even think about the Leon a- connection. Yeah. Agreed. So yeah. So that we all kinda took a breath. And then we go from taking breath to celebrating to a degree. So it's kind of a see one what does great feast except instead of all this joy. It's very somber. So Danny spots gender, gentry is clearly infatuated with aria. He's looking for her. He's like, where's aria the hands? Like, we know you wanna look for aria. So. So. He's the man is is is it still smell the bodies like. Give minute. From all he. It gets up gonna look for his lady live in is like, hey, you your name's Ganji. Right. And you know, gun returns around. And he's like, yeah. That's me. And she's like, you know, you're a Robert breath Theun, son. Right. And he's like, yeah. I know that, you know, your your father took over the throne and try to murder me. And we're just like come on me like where are you going with us in? Into real where she was going with this question. She has this weird talent with kind of creating a sense of dread before she rewards you. So she. Like, I'm like, are you big? So basically, she tells them like, you know, what do, you know, who's who's rolling storms and at this point. And nobody knows. So she kinda goes, you know, what I'm gonna give you a promotion. You are now Gandhari Barath Theun the Lord of storm's end, so she legitimize him he's no longer bastard or now, he's a great Lord. So. Shutouts a gender. Went on from everything that was I think that's good that again got legitimize like that. But let's keep it one hundred. You know, there is an ulterior motive here with denarius doing that. And even Tyrian called her on it. And she's just like, yeah. Well, you know, this is how I I think she said something about keeping people closer to her keeping people that are more loyal to her. Yeah. She made a sentiment about that. So yeah, there's there's some ulterior motive for pads not like just being a humanitarian sudden her allies allies dropping now is so. Yeah. Agree. I mean, she even to the -tarian like, you're not the only clever went around these. So this skipping around a little bit. So I'm just going to kind of foul Gandhari on his on his night. So he goes looking for aria and that actually gives everyone at the feast cause to celebrate but gender doesn't stick around for a he runs off and searched for aria Arias outside the banquet. And it's like another call back to season one aria as the one that is most similar in character to John and much John season. One even though John was forced out of this banquet. In this case. Aria isolates herself she celebrating by shooting arrows, and so Gary pulls up on her and he's like guess wet. I'm a Lord. Now, you're going to be my lady Mary love you. And she's just like. Get down like that. And you know, but she she had some with us line that gets echo throughout the series season one when she was talking to Ned Ned tells her she's going to be a lady she says that's not me and season seven when she meets nine area. And she asked her to come back to wonderful with our. She said you so same deal. She's like, I am not a lady and never have been never will be. That's not me, and she gives them like a little pack and you'll be okay. And kinda goes about our business. So. Shot down. So we go back to the banquet. And this is probably one of my favorite scenes in the series on their playing drinking games. And so tearing like. Tyrian brings back his favorite drinking game. He did try this back in season six will Musonda in grey worm didn't work, but he he's with more jovial people this time around so he plays the game and Jamie like bring they give Bryon drunk first of all and I love seeing her drunk. I was living for that scene. I was just like, oh, she's always like turning the drinks down. So, you know, her tolerance. So it was. So it was. It was great seeing like it was like, it was Jamie. What's padraic? It was brands. They're all drinking and Tyrians hearings leading the game. And like Jamie is cheating so badly because he knows everything about brand. So this whole guessing game. I if you guess the right you have to take a drink like he totally had it in the whole because he knows everything about her. So she just gets massively drunk. She smash and Tyrian kills the mood completely by guessing that she the virgin nine. None of your business. So, you know, instead of drinking confirmed that she's a virgin she just gets up and leased like she's upset torment like walks up. Like, hey, girl, move out my way. Walked torment Jamie did but I'm dislike man torment. He was gonna shoot a shot. He was gonna take that opportunity. Jamie just kinda stood in. There was lying. We're not having. Tormenta salty when he sees janey chase after bran, he's like after all this and this blonde bastard from the south jets matches are up like jerks. My luck. But it's all good. He gets his in the end. And so he got something later on. So cute, though that moment where what did the girl say she said something to torment about? She said that she wasn't. He she wasn't afraid of while. I'm the while. And then he like looked back over at her quickness is heads. He's neck backward. Almost and I'm just like Venice so cute that like he went from zero to sixty just like being really upset and sad about getting shot down. And then the minute. She said, hey, he's like oh. Rianne here. Let's do it. Here. We go. Yeah. He may have extremes on Padre get some action to ago Padraig, right? Wanted to be getting some in every episode. You can I he can sink put it down. I have with. And like the England trying to get the hounded on the action. He's like drain. He wasn't fewer man. I'm just eat this. Loan with my beer, and this chicken and lie keeper movement. I'm good with the move. But he does have his eye on a certainly don't think it's romantic just sits SaaS spot on Cessna scientists now and that that's his little bird. And this is actually the first time that they've interacted since season two, and he basically says like I heard that you got broken in rough and like. Has come. Yes, she got broken in rough. But you know, signs that is not the delegate person anymore, and she just kinda replies back like, yeah. He got his. So the hound goes over. How did you get him back and she was like with how so? She said that I was just like, oh, all right, okay. Show. Yeah. So he kinda says like it's almost like his way of apologizing to her like if you had if I had just taken you away, you wouldn't have ran into little finger and Ramsey and sounds just tells them, I know if it wasn't for them, I would have been a little bird for the rest of my life. So it made her stronger, and he notes she's changed and they'd kind of have their moment. So that was great. But I mean, they're corn everything. But my my moment the part that got me, you know, cheering and clapping was brand. And Jamie shippers have been waiting on this for how long. Yes. I think when they first had to connect with each other. But yes, so Brienza obviously upset she's making a fire in her room. Jamie knocks on the door. He walked Sen. any like dozens little like aphids such like, a frat boy thing he's like, oh, it's really hot and here, and he starts taking off like one article clothing at a time, and he's like getting brand to loosen up and drink, and they get really close such take off his shirt, but only has one hand. So I got it off. Are. And then she takes off hersher. And I'm just like this. And they make it was watching this episode of the first time, I crumbled to the ground, and I was just like is this really going to happen, right? It was I loved it. And I love how awkward they kind of both were you know, like Jamie's never been with anyone else. But his sister. But like. Kind of weirdly sweet to see how lake careful they were being with each other. You know? Yeah. Yeah. We thought it was cute. That Jamie was teasing her about on. He's like, oh guess who else grew on Mead's hormone that guy? And then brands like you sound jealous, and he kind of been so again my little jealous. I really love that scene too. Because it was reminiscent. I had tweeted this when we were live tweeting the show like mostly you guys. Probably don't remember this because I'm from a certain Arab. There's a movie in the eighties called Saint elmo's fire. And there was a scene between mayor winning ham characters. Name was windy and Roblo. His name was Billy and Billy was like the bad, boys. So he was kinda like Jamie and Wendy was sorta kinda nerdy geeky unattractive. And she was a virgin, so he he virgin is her so to speak in the scene at that moment between Jamie Umbrian reminded me so much of Saint elmo's fire. So I just I really love seeing that moment. We have an a one thing. I just feel like they were like a lot of sort of like moments that were foreshadowing kind of the what was in probably going to happen towards the end of the episode like when he at one point he when he says his line that was like like, I don't like I don't like change or like, or I don't want to wake Lewis align that you just like it was just like. But the I don't I don't like change or whatever. And like later later in the episode like towards the end, you see like he wants to kind of embrace the sort of like new life that he could potentially build with Brie end. But I think like his old ways and like kind of there's something just so dark and like unwilling to accept happiness. So it was kind of just like a weird throwaway MO like line that he said in the moment. But like it comes back like later when you realize like he's like not willing to just stay be happy with Brad like he has to like. Return to the darkness. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll definitely touch on his departure later down the line. But in the moment, it was beautiful and SIS was knocked out. Yes. Definitely laid down on. On that practice was thirsty did him good. So we move onto a couple that isn't getting it on John and Dami so John's in Rome and his room Danny pulls up, and she's just like, hey, are you drunk, and he's like none that really and they get to talking about Jarrah so John's house like I know that I didn't know jor very wild. But I know he died doing the very thing that he would have wanted to do which is protect you. And Danny tells them like, you know, I didn't I she kinda shows regret for saying. Like, I didn't love him. Like, I love you. And they start to kiss and you like close start getting buttons. And you see them getting passionate and then John Paul's back because at the days because his aunt so he's still not quite used to that idea. Whereas Dame is more. That's something that she kinda grew up with. So then Danny tells them like I w-. Wish things are how they used to be could you just please just as far as linear just concerned. Don't tell anybody. I want things to go back to the old way. And the thing is Danny. If you go back to the feast, Danny was watching John interact with all these northerners and she saw how much they loved him. I torment was talking him calling him a true king. And even though he's little he's fierce. And he he befriended his enemies, and he died and he came back. So like she knows that once they catch wind of the fact that he is the true heir to the iron throne. They're going to back him over Danny any day. So she wants to keep that under wraps and undecided. Girl, you're asking for too much. You're just asking for Delitzsch. It's I think like was wild to me is just like if you knew John even a little bit. You know, he's not going to lie. Like, this is not who John snow is. That's never been who he is. And that's like wild of her to even be like you just need to like keep us from your sisters. I mean, girl you have known this guy for a few months. Maybe I don't even know what time means on the show anymore. But like they have obviously like, you know, not known each other for like a super long time. And like family means everything to John, you know, despite like all his kind of, you know, problems some awkwardness like he's had with sonza. You know, he still loves her like, you know, Arias probably his favorite person in the world. You know, I would have said that that would like his favorite light being in the world is like ghost. But we'll get to that in the second. Well. But yeah, I do think that one of the things that I think attracted her to John in the first place is his honor and his deep sense of like truth. So like, it's just wild to me that she thinks that she can just get him to be this different person out of nowhere is just wild. That doesn't shock me. I mean, first of all Danny is thirsty for that thrown. She's been thirsty room for a minute. She's feeling some type away now because everybody loves John. And that's a part of you know, ruling kingdom, you wanna be beloved by the people, and she's not even loved by some of the people in that very room who's she's responsible for helping them in saving their lives. So I don't know. I just feel like Danny eight right now is very focused and just is in tunnel vision. And isn't even thinking about things like how John feels about the situation. And I think it's really unfortunate because I were slowly seeing this downward spiral happening with Danny like just the way she kind of feeling isolated and she's kind of pulling back, and I am seeing a lot of her father's tendencies growing in her in. It kinda concerns me. We'll talk about that a little bit more. But yeah, it's just she. I don't think that she's thinking with a clear mind right now. Yeah. And I do I feel I'm going to be on his I have never actually been the biggest Danny fan. But I do I have such a respect for everything that she has been able to claw for herself like, you know, throughout all the seasons and one by one you're seeing her getting all of the things that have made her strong that she is like, you know, collected and like, you know. Gotten for herself this power that she's managed to like put together. It's just one by one. It's all going like Giora, and like, you know, so many so much of our army and everything and. We've seen her do all this growth in be able to do all these amazing things throughout this journey that we watched her go through, but that's us as the audience and like the people of the north don't care about her. They don't know anything about her journey. They don't know how she got here. They don't they don't really care about her or trust her. And in large part because of a lot of the stuff that her own family has historically done to like the Norse. So I don't know it just I feel for her. 'cause I don't know where she could even go from here. Even if she wasn't going RAD, and I was reading one more thing about Danny. I was reading somewhere because you know, a lot of what Danny is going through from a mental standpoint is something that's beyond her control. Because she's basically from a lineage of people that has engaged in incest, and she's got incestual blood flowing through her veins. That's the result of how you know. Her father went crazy and just all of these very odd decisions that were made with some of her family members. So I think that probably has to account for why she's not quite right in the head like everybody else's is. Because of the fact that she comes from a family historically of brothers and sisters breeding with each other. So yeah. And that comes into play. In the next scene on when they're basically in the war room, and they basically kind of take inventory of this happening. So we originally thought the rocky were annihilated the unsullied were small numbers at this point. But we kind of find out that it's basically like fifty percent. So like fifty percent of the offer Aki were killed in the long night on fifty percent of them sallied. So they still have a large large numbers fifty percent of the northerners, but their battle weary, and they need to be replenished. So we also learned that Yara has reclaimed the iron throne and the arms are the are the iron islands, and there's a new door Nash prints, and he has pledged allegiance today any so she does have to a degree some reinforcements. So what they wanna do as Danny says, she wants to rip out, sir c root and stem. So the plan is to remove, sir. See from the throne without destroying king's landing. Which is what Danny really wants to do like, she's very much about burn them. All but council is telling her so varies Tyrian even sauntered they're leading with our like Cleese don't go like all in we need to find another tactful way of getting survey out of king's landing without having to destroy the people. So their plan is to basically almost like a siege. They plan on basically guarding them out. Because if you think about was it like season two or three forget, which sees him. But basically when they were at war with saying so season two they were being starved out will turned against Joffrey. So they plan on doing the same thing with sir seem they also basically tell Danny like, let's try this out. I if it doesn't work, then we go all in, and then you at least appear merciful by trying to at least make peace with, sir. Say versus growing guns blazing dragons blazing. That's I would say. Sees me. So Samsa, you know, she's on board with all this. But she wants them to wait. She's like, let's give it a little bit of time. Our soldiers are weary. Our soldiers are tired. They they need some rest. And so she's like our Nazi's drains. Like, no, no, no, we have to go. We have to take care sir before she gets stronger. But sounds like none. I'll just hold off. But John is the deal breaker in this case, and John I guess to a degree China went back favor with Dami. He's tells are like, okay. Like, let's just do it. So that doesn't seem like it's going to be a good idea as do most of their plans, they never pan out. So. So they kind of have everybody broken up into little sections so Johnson Davos are going to ride through the kings road to Kingsland with the majority of the army Daniel go to white harbor and sale to drag stone, and then from dragon soon show Goto king's landing Termonde decides to go back north and he takes goes with him. Why I cannot get over this. What is? He's a daughter. He supposed to stay with the stark. I think it was a budget thing. They're like we don't have the CGI for the wolves were sending him up north. We'll focus on the Grega. Mcgregor that good. I've I'm a hundred percent. Sure. That's the reason why they sent ghost up north. Jamie will stay behind with green. And at least that's initially the plan salmon, Gilead will also remain in winter fell. And it turns out Gillies expecting. She got a bun oven. Al. Like, well, there wasn't much to do an old town. So you know goes. And then the hound and Arya on their excellent adventure. They're back on the road together. They also had Baram king's landing on which is the call back to season four when they traveled together. The hound has unfinished business game bowl and aria has finished business. Well, she wants to kill, sir. Say and neither one the plan on returning. So that's the plan earnings. So we're going to back up a little bit back to this big secret because it's talked about throughout the episode. So we're just going to hit a few points here. So earlier on the episode John who cannot tell ally tells his sisters that of his true lineage because Danny or nephews nissanusa in aria do not trust Danny to save their lives. They can't stand her. They don't want. No parts of her like she did her job. Now, let's focus on us. And so John kind of gives them this gift. Wbt are saying, hey, tactically. I have the better claim. So he swears a sister secrecy. He swears into it. San's apparently can't keep a secret either. But. To us initially. We thought she was the BMI bobber mouth, but it was strategic like remember she comes from the school of little finger. So she points seeds Tyrian. She tells Tyrian she's very much like I can't stand Danny. She's not my Queen that my president. Right. So she kinda tells them like what if there's someone who had a better claim? So she tells Tyrian and Tyrian, of course, runs back and tells varies Tiernan various a few conversations about this. Because at this point there is very concerned about Danny's mental state and very his always been about serving the round he does not serve king or Queen. He serves the realm. So in his mind, if John has the better claim, and John is more level headed person, we're gonna go John Terry and saying like, no, no, no, let's see we can get them to work together. Because John's always going to real Danny back. So it's a bit of what's the word tree? Tree. There's they're saying treasonous things at this point. They're essentially trying to install John thrown instead of Danny despite the fact that John doesn't want it at the end of the day. If John is called do something he does it. So it just basically, we're we're we're kind of setting a the trust pieces for whether or not Danny will actually. End up on the iron throne because the people around or at this point are all doubting her. So we'll see how that pains for the rest of the season. But in varies his mind a marriage between John and Danny which is what we all wanted. It's probably not gonna work because Danny's going to overrule John every step of the way. So we moved towards Jamie Tyrian. What's this is my favorite scene? They kinda talk about brands. So you know, teams like what she liked down there, and he makes tall jokes and tall funny and everything I'm so they start talking about bringing and then Brown, walks them. So we all thought that the brothers one of them was going to die like brands all about money, and we're thinking they're not gonna make it. But turns out brand is about money. So sorry, Bron Brian. Are R N Brahm bronze about his paper. So he tells them like, hey, I won't kill you. But I need a better deal. So he gets high garden, and they all kinda I just bought burn in this particular seat. He was just throwing shade left. And right like he called them like. Gold plated. See words, and it was just. Yeah. I yeah. I really I loved that scene so much especially like at the very end where you know, tearing it's just like, you know, we could use a strategic, you know, like a military captain somebody who knows like kings landing and lie is like, oh, I'm a frightening anymore wars with people. I'm just gonna sit my butt out of this war and like see who like shakes out winning the end. And collect whatever castles like left, so I- good luck to you. Like, I I expect to get high Gordon like would this is all done? But I love I want nothing to do with your war. No. No, no. Yeah. I really liked the fact that bronc Ayman they're ready to negotiate like he didn't have to have a conversation with them. He could have gone ahead and executed them the minute that they were both in the room. He had them both in the room. You have the opportun-. But no bronze gonna Braun Braun is all about a price. And he knows that Tyrian is going to go she ate because we've had those conversations before with I'll double it. So I just love the fact that you know, Braun is going to try to get the most out of this, and he is willing to negotiate. And I wouldn't be surprised goes back, Sarah c. Yeah. His money's on dancing because she had to dragons, and such and so he negotiates high garden, and they're like, you're not even like, you're not even worthy of that. You're cut through. And he's like a think about it all the great houses were established by cutthroat so sit on that. And he kinda dismisses himself, and as the tasha said he says his fighting days are all over. But he still has a few killing days left in him. So he'll take wanting them. Now if need be. So that's that's a smart cookie there. So we go actually to drag him, sewn and. Dan is on our way back the iron, the not iron born tease me the unsullied are on their ships. They're returning back to dragon still in. And then like this is when you know that they're doomed must standing Ray worm. Have this cute little moment on deck? They hold hands, and they smile it. Looked like mad optimistic and I thought to myself this is this is the end. So so Danny returns with their dragons rake all still pretty injured on when you see him leaving from winter fell. He kinda isn't flying normally. So he's the most vulnerable at the two dragons, and you know, Danny fide, the dragon sound thing and everything is everything. And then the iron born are lying in wait in the ambush her, and they how do you ambush somebody with that many ships? I have question. Like a handful of ships like I saw like five or maybe like ten ships tops. And they're were like hitting this little cove, and you know, even though this is not like modern day word of mouth it. Just spreads so easily so dealing with this huge force come down dragonstar, and they would have been known about that. And and it's a short trip from things in the dragon soon. So they do just post up until she showed up. So they have these new and improve scorpions these giant crossbows that are meant to kill dragons. And I mean, you're on does his job. He kills ragle. He gets shot straight out of the sky. And you're dislike. Not another one. Oh, gosh. Poor Danny and her kin her babies, she's she's like Thursday like I lost all her kids. Danny's losing them too. So. So Rego's down, and Danny is pissed so she goes to attack, but she sees their ships scorpions, so she retreats, and then they actually aim those arrows at the unsullied ships, and they get taken out grey worm yells at Masan to get on the skiff to escape, and it turns out to be kind of a mistake. He should've stayed with her because we learn once they're back on the beach that Musonda skiff was captured and Masan day was taken. So we're like, no, not our girl. Oh and just hearing grey worm does call for her name. It just broke my heart. Like, oh, yeah. Because he no EU assume the worst when you know when someone is kidnapped and yeah, just hearing in cry out her name you like jumped into the ocean and go looking for her like he's freaking out. Yeah. Got it was hard. So that kind of leads us back to king's Landy gland. Ding, and sir looking over the courtyard. She sees the golden company assembling. She's also has all the people from king's landing rushing into the red keep 'cause she plans on using them as human shields. Not that. She cares. She just wants him even shields could also say so she was counting on Danny to fall for the bait. And storm the castle and varies basically towers, they're a different scene. Don't do this. It's mystique try to be merciful. So we cut back to, sir. Saying you're on stands behind her. And they're kind of surveying their troops in, sir. Say tells them like the line will rule the land in the crack will rule the sea in our child will rule of them all together one day. So clearly starts he's having a ratchet Maury moment. She is pinnacle on your on the pappy. You're on this bad at math because there's. Really how is your on buying this? Like, I feel like he's not that. He's just like whenever I know. She's but. Yeah. Out. I'll be the pappy songs their own. So. And we got one more good thing out of this. We got, you know, her homegirl her best friend in chains. And look my girls in chains. Democrats are still popping okay? And it's better rather in king's landing. So, you know, her hair is looking good. We we we go from one twin to another. So Jamie is at the bed. He's back in Warner fell. He looks like a brand and Brandon have clothes on by the way. So they're clearly been having a good old time up in the north. So he looks back at Bryanne. He sneaks out bran, you know. She's a night she sleeps light. So she notices he'll use. She goes out on her house coat in the courtyard, and she confronts Jamie, and she's like where you going, and he basically tells her like I have to go back to say. And for me, this is leading up to the fact that he's going to kill sir say, but I think in that moment once he discovered everything that survey has done as far as attacking Danny kidnap and Masan day killing Ray all he wants to go. I don't know if he wants to smooth things over he wants to appear appeal to her better nature, but he's he's trying to fix this. And Jamie is very attached to Thursday. He knows that Danny is gonna kill her. So he's going to do whatever he can save his sister. Even if she's dead wrong. So bring and tries to convince him to stay. She's like sten- with me like she's having a sand Smith moment. She's just begging him to stay with her this scene with Jamie and brand. I thought personally that you know, this was about him settling the score with Sarah. See it wasn't a break-up with brain. I don't think it was something where he just didn't want to have anything to do with her anymore. He's like I got a scored settle. This is what I'm planning on doing. I can't be with you right now in this moment. But you know, I'm gonna go to Sarah, see, and that's probably like Angelaka was going to say he's going to do the deed. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like he's going to kill say. But in that moment, he's there to save her. He's gonna try to appeal to her better nature. This is twin he loves her. He knows Dan he's gonna kill her. So he's gonna do whatever he can to save her from herself and brands begging him to stay. She's just like stay with me. She's like basically singing San Smith song. Stay with me. And Jamie tells like I'm not a good person. I'm not a good person. I pushed a kid out a window for say I killed my cousin to get back to survey. I was gonna kill everybody in river run. I say she's hateful. And so am I and he just dips and brands left basically naked in a house coat in the courtyard crying over his one handed me, and I was just I house like you deserve so much better. This was so I I mean, I expected Jamie to treat her like. Pull a but move like this. I really did because you Jamie, but I didn't expect for Brian like be so smitten by him so quickly. So he did something on her because she. It Natasha's by what she got. I guess, but yeah. No. I mean, I think that you're absolutely right. Like, I don't think that she he's I don't think he's a -sarily going to king's landing to take out, sir. See with the intention of doing that. I think he doesn't I think he's going to try to appeal to searches better judgment that she doesn't really have. And I think just like are just like the hound. He he knows that this is probably going to be a one way trip, and he thinks it is probably easier to hurt brand now and push her away. Now that have her deal with you know, whatever happens to him when he goes to king's landing. So yeah. I agree. It's good. I was just I don't know. I feel like I feel Jamie is going through a redemption tour like this is the first top on his tour, and that they're going to be some parallels between him in what the on has done this past season. And even the previous season. I think he is trying to right? Those wrongs, and I I don't buy that. He's going to be there to try to talk Jamie out of art to talk seriously out of this. I think is there to to just go ahead and settle the score. And just get rid of her once in for all that, you know, he mentioned that he's not a good, man. And I don't know there's something about that line. You know, you're a good, man. Not a good, man. And that he is trying to be better. And the only way he is going to become a better man is if he does get rid of Sarah, see, otherwise he's just gonna go back back to one and go back to the way things were before hand. So I don't know I feel like it's not something where he's gonna just talk out of it. He he's going to settle the score. And and get rid of her. Oh, so you're on you're on my trainer. Right. I am. The property thing is something that you know, I've been flirting with forth for several seasons. But given this last episode and even the previous episode before that I do feel strongly that Jamie is probably going to be the one that gets rid of Searcy. And I'm like this this scene with him. Brian was kinda like a little bit of foreshadowing like again with that whole redemption. Ark. I feel like he sorta now seeing the light that you know, he's done some really bad things in his life. And maybe Brian as a glimmer of hope in a way of him trying to become a better person. And that the only way he can really do that get rid of the past and series apart of that. Agreed. Yeah. This. I think the one the one thing that I just keep thinking is like I just don't think I just don't think Jamie thinks he deserves to be happy though. That's the thing. That's so like, I agree with all of that. Except like I just don't think I think he pushed her away on purpose because I keep just doesn't feel that he has earned being with her given like all the things that he like listed in done. Yeah. He's not gonna I mean, that's that's that's true. While. Yeah. I mean, then the day. He's a he's a kingsway. So our key took out Aries. I'm sure he'll take out survey. So we go to king's landing. And it's basically this standoff apar- lay who is the hardest. I don't wanna talk about this. We cover. So there's a parlay Danny's out there with the unsullied in grey worm interior in and then surveys posted up on top of the ramparts she has and she has Khyber in. She has Masan day prisoner. And we're just oh Masan day. They messed up her wash guy like. Anger out. So they tried to establish peace. Danny says, you know, give us Masan back. Give us your unconditional surrender you leave with your life. And sir say doesn't want better surveys as not backing down. No, you surrender. And I don't kill Masan day. How about that? So either one of them is going back down from this. They're not there. Too stubborn to do. So so hybrid comes down from the ramparts he goes to talk to Tyrian so hand to hand and Tyrian tries to negotiate in Khyber. Like, yeah, you're not in a position to negotiate bre, like, your armies are battle weary. Where replenish your one dragon is injured like you have you have no pol- here. You you can't tell us nothing. We have control in so Tyrians like, you're right. So instead of China talk things down with burn he walks up to, sir. Say looks like is about to take him out. She decides not to she decides to hear her little brother out. So he tries to appeal to her better nature. Let me just back up real quick. So when Khyber did say that their armies replenish with the golden company, I thought for a second while what about the second sons like Danny has whole army back in marine that is loyal to her about that too. Right. From like, maybe they'll like show up at the last minute who knows? But let's go back to and talking to his big fist. So he's talking to her, and he Sean to appeal to her better nature, and the one thing that's always humanized, sir. Say was her children. So he tries to prop like, I know. You know, you love your kids more than anybody, nor anyone in your life. That's who you loved your children. So he tries to tell her like, hey, like just walk away with their life, and you and your kid don't have to die and for a brief moment. You think maybe he's gotten through to her and she walks over to Masan, you think okay? She's going to release her Ming this'll work out. Nah tower. Asante? Hey, say your last words, so we focus on Masan, and we don't want this moment to happen. And we're just hoping parties she gets out of this like somebody does something drug on soup, San like, anything Bernau Masan days doom. So she's going to go out with the bang and the person that wants claim to be such a peaceful person. She says the one thing that we weren't expecting it to say, and she says loud enough for Danny to hear draw Cotti's, and we know that she's telling Danny like them up and with that the mountain beheads there, and I'm devastated like, I I was like really like the one black women on the whole Shire. Choose and kind of I don't know if you guys watch Levin hip hop. But there's a clip of Cardi B argue. With somebody's golfing. She's like what is that raising like, I'm just like. N I'm just so pissed. Speechless. I was speechless for like ten minutes. I was just like why why her? What is the reasons? I I will shed some light on this. First of all, I was devastated as well. I mean, the Sunday is the only wholesome character on this whole entire show. She's the only character that's like without sin or blood on our hands around to get rid of her especially in that way, was just devastating to watch. But it makes sense why her death happened because seriously is really sending a strong message to Danny that she is not to be played with. So not only did she take out one of Danny's kids with Ray gall. Her dragon. She took out her best friend like the most loyal person in her life. So now, Danny is left pretty much with nothing at this point of her past. And I think that that message is exactly what Sarah she was trying to deliver. So if you're gonna try to make Danny angry if you're going to try to infuriate her in any way. This is the way to do it. I mean, I it's sad that it had to be the expensive Mercedes life. But it does make sense from just a point of you know, care bear driven. Yeah. From character development. And and and really just making sure to let her know that this is where I stand, and you can't defeat me you are not taking this iron thrown away from me. And I will keep it by any means necessary. And that's what she decided to him. Sorry. I get mad and on actually it calls back to season three, and I feel like Masan days fate on. I don't know if this was planned way back when but she kind of spoke on her own death, Danny when she first liberates are Emma Sunday chooses to stay with Danny Danny says, you know, I'm taking you to war. You may go hungry. You may fall sick. You may be killed Emma. Sunday, says the Margolis and Danny replies. Yes. Almond must die. But we are not men. But unfortunately, Masan day, basically. She sees her. She basically seals her fate by saying that she dies in the service of Danny? And she dies with a heart. But it's just very sad to see. She never got to run away with grey warm. Who's obviously devastated to that member? Not only. And so Danny walks away. We basically fade out Danny walking away. And she looks piss like I can just see her like in her head. She's like earned them all burn them. All burn them. All and like it's about to go down. And and that that's exactly what Searcy one. And he she wanted to reaction. She wanted to get a rise out of Danny? So this is the only way that she could have done it if she had killed grey, worm if she had killed, you know, any of the other characters I don't think it would have had an impact on Danny the way it were before miss, Andy. So yes, I mean, I am devastated by her death as well. But I understand why Searcy had to do it. Also, just wanna say really quick I've been seeing social media and people are like, yeah, we're gonna cancel game of thrones. Because this and I'm like y'all I get it. Like, there's only what ten percent of black people that are on this show in and now they've completely taken out most of all of the black folks on the series, Ray one. If you've been watching wish Joe for the last eight seasons people die like that is a part of the game of thrones universe. You either win or you die. So in if you're gonna get upset about one, death and cancel the show because of that than you really haven't been paying attention this show. No, it's gonna cancel game of thrones. There's two more personas left ever. I feel like all the people who are just like I'm so upset like I'm never never watched game of thrones. Again, like, hey, I I was upset with when Masan day died. But like the truth of the matter is we also don't know what's going to happen next. Right. Like, we still don't really know what the like with the with the plan is and just kind of what you were getting at like, the whole point is taking everything away from Danny and bringing her back to the point of that she was out at the very beginning of the series where she has nothing, and she really has to like, I don't know summon the power from somewhere to like move forward. I don't know. I have no idea what the what lake what direction the show is going to go in. But. People are going to die and things that are going to happen are going to be things that we don't expect. And if if people are upset about that to your point like, it, isn't this isn't nev that's ever been the show we've been watching. I don't think it's great to kill one of the, you know, two black people with like speaking role on the show. But at to your point, there's no one left that like matters to Danny on that level in order to kill Giora. So who else is lot right? So. Yeah. I mean, they're trying they're trying to strip her down to nothingness. And that's exactly what Sarah see is doing. And and well played I mean that that's the game. So again, I I don't wanna seem like I'm unsympathetic and that like miss Andy was not a incredibly well developed character that we needed on this series because she was the only wholesome character that we had and gave us some glimmer of hope that maybe there are really good people in west rose. But you know, I I understand why that was the play and I'm not mad at it. That's all I'm saying it hit me pretty hard like her. And I mean, we we do have a few other characters that were wholesome in good. We had Charene we have hold our, and we have a Sunday, and they all got taken away from us. So right. Not a color thing in my opinion. It's just whatever has the biggest impact. And Masan days death. Everybody took that pretty hard. So yeah, I would agree. It was like it was very reminiscent to me of Ned in Soviet whole beheading. And. Yeah. So by like say told Netease in one when you play the graver, thrones you played away or. And say is planes when so, you know, next episode, we're going to see how this pans out. Clearly Danny's out for blood, I feel like she's gonna use drogue onto her vantage at the cost of some lives. Even if you think about one brand had visions there was that vision of that loan dragon swine over king's landing. So I feel like Danny's ready to go to war and she's not playing. So we'll see how it how it goes. But sir, say's days are numbered for sure. So do you guys think that it's gonna be Jamie? It's not gonna be aria. And what do you like, how do you think? Aria in Jamie's journey go is under site Athens. It sounds like they can have the same goal. I feel like it's going to be Jamie. I just don't think they'd give argue that one two punch like shoddy took out the night king. I just taking out sir survey on top of it, all and anyone. That's a greeter knows that the prophecy about the Vallon car taking out survey means her little brother Tyrians, clearly not going to be the one to do. It is just too obvious. If always hated each other it just like, it'd be more poetic for Jamie to do it. And he's back on his way to king's landing. So I think that's that's going to happen. Yeah. I just I you said you articulated at perfectly agree with everything you just said. And as I mentioned before I think that moment with him Brian him just talking about how he's not a good, man. And how he's done everything for Sarasate. Just feels like the writing on the wall that he's prepared to redeem himself in some way in in getting rid of Sarah sees the way he's going. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I was just going to say. Yeah. I definitely agree that it makes sense that Jamie's going to do it. I'm just curious. Like, yeah. What's Arias plan going to be because I also think it would be wild. If she took out both the night king answer saying, I don't think that makes any sense. But I wonder what's going to stop her. You know, what I mean CNN Jamie's cold hand and his fake hand wrapped around Thursday next. Got it. I don't I don't think Jamie's going to live very long. I don't I think it's gonna be something where you know, he'll kill Sarah, see. And then shortly thereafter, he's going to be killed by you know, in the mountain property and the hound kills the mountain. Maybe are you will hurt him in that, you know? Even though I want to do it. Now. Yeah. Getting on. But he he's. He got the die like between what he is just done this past week. And like what he did to Ilia Martell. I'm dislike now, you gotta died. Do like you've done some really bad things you got to go. But yeah, Helvin episode. So we're just gonna go to some fan. Reactions not many questions this week. But everyone was dwelling on Asante. So shandra Edwards at lady quests fire tells us, it would be great if the got producer stopped using Brown bodies for battle father and plot device. She goes R P unsullied Raqi Masan day. So to her point. Yeah. The people of color have died a lot and the series, but still have the white folks. And we do learn that it's basically half of all the forces so half, the northerners half, the unsullied hatha doll rocky die. And then we are retouched on this. The reason why Sunday died because she's literally the last person that's close to Danny. So while it does look like, it's a color thing. I don't think. So I just think it just happens to be characters of color. That's just my opinion. I could be reading it wrong. But that's what I'm going with Woody guys thing. I mean, you know, Martha I agree with you. I, you know, it's this is a predominantly white show. There's not many characters of color that are in it. So and it is a show that historically has told stories of characters being tragically massacred in killed in some way. So. A lot of those characters are people of color, and I don't think it's something that's racial. I hope that with the other show that's going to be coming up. And we go into another region where we do see more Brown folks that you know, the it'll be completely different. And then maybe it's the white folks that are just dying off. You know that now I just I don't I don't see it that way. This is you know, it's not the Walking Dead. Like, we can have a conversation about the Walking Dead. And yet that's a problem. That's a problem game of thrones. I don't think they're playing it that way. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, I agree. Yes. So here the only thing I guess, I would say is. I I do think that again to the point that y'all both made I agree with Masan day is the person that's closest to to Danang at this point. And so it makes sense that like, sir see who is incredibly vindictive. Would do the thing that hurt Danny the most and Masan day is the person that she is closest to right? So like, obviously that's gonna so narrative Lee speaking, I do think it makes sense. But because the. Show has remained as wait is. It is you know, I get where people feelings are coming from that it sucks that like one of the two people of color with speaking roles. One of the two of them are dead. Whether it like narrative, we make sense or not I get by people feel that way, you know. So I feel like the solution to that would be in future shows making you know, of far more diverse cast. So he get doesn't feel that way. Which you more with I forgot the characters name. But I know the actor's name non-c Nause owns like that was a, you know, a racially bent, color, color, bent character. Because in the books is character was white. And then the cast a black actor set with the game of thrones a production team would have done a little bit more Ray spending. Back character. But you know, but then decided to kind of whitewash as well the the prostitutes in in this series because in the books Tyrian befriends to prostitutes were both black right all the prostitutes in the TV debt app tation or white. So. With that. Okay. With that. Me too. I think we with that, you know, because it's like, okay. The only black women you got on the show are say. Yeah. Okay. Point Musonda, actually wasn't black in the book. She was ten and she was Brown, but she was in black. She was more like an Arabic person. So they did cast Natalie Emmanuel as an older, obviously black characters they did kind of bend a little bit and even gray worms phenotype wasn't quite clear. What he was. So so what agree they did kind of give us a little bit of color. But that actually to another fan reaction Sidney g at Sydney gravy says we never got that washing. Go retune never got one run of liked to have known that. And I I'll reaction that someone said Masan day should move to Atlanta. She she would want to. You know what I'm saying? She would have been on what the hair care Morio should never got that chance. You know, Arpita Masan day. I actually wrote her a little eulogy my own on when I was doing my live tweet. And I said was mad at you for that tweet to. Spoiler. Like, okay. Let me just such on this real quick. When you live tweet, people should just stay off social media, if they don't want spoilers. Groans hashtag. And then get mad when you see a spoiler. Quitter like. Five seconds. So back to my eulogy rests in paradise Musonda have Naf met. You find peace on a sandy shore and mayor curls forever. Pop. Man. A man that reps the episode so awesome. And I just wanted to add to there was a bit of controversy about this episode on social media during the scene at the table with Danny John, and there was a Starbucks. I. I. That up. I thought that was hilarious. But what was even more? Larry is for me was people getting so angry about it on Twitter. These things happen. All the time. You guys. Yes. This wasn't a grievous error. I admit like this Narva and an equal setting is probably not good. But people make these mistakes, and I love how HBO you know, they kinda were tongue in cheek about it. They actually did a press release statement about it. And I'm gonna read it really quick HBO's response to increase in in response to increase from those who saw a craft services coffee Cup and Sunday night's episode of game of thrones HBO states, the Lante that appeared in the episode was a mistake. Denarius had ordered an herbal tea. That was a good heredity. HBO taking it in stride. Yeah. And quick point during that fees. If anyone people could spot the fact that there was a Starbucks Cup of coffee Cup there. They should have been able to spot. The fact that this show rathers DB Weiss in Dan bay off that they were actually in that scene where torments talking up, John, and they're all drinking. There's these two Wild Wings with longhaired ZIM beards throws to show runners. So they. It's so good. Good stuff. So. Yeah. Look forward to discuss a next week's episode, and we'll also be live tweeting next Sunday at nine o'clock PM eastern standard time. So I'm just can't wait to see, sir. Say go down. I'm let's let's hope let's cross our fingers that she is going to bite it because she's done too much for too long. And it's time for her to go. It's time to go. She took out our girl sandy in that wasn't right. So bagger. That stuff. Okay. City girls are sorry. Exactly. Not. Well, thank you for tuning into this episode of the thrones, y'all podcast. Please follow us on Twitter. At BG podcast is our podcast Twitter handle, also you can follow us at black role nerds and at black girl. Geeks me like tweet from both of those accounts on Sunday nights at nineteen eastern time. Hashtag is thrones y'all. Thank you so much for listening. We will see you next week. But by.

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Antibiotic resistance: should YOU worry?

The Dr. Gundry Podcast

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Antibiotic resistance: should YOU worry?

"Welcome to the doctor Gandhari podcast the weekly podcast where Dr g gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life. Welcome to the doctor country podcast. Oh they can live invents on the bottom of the ocean in caves deep below the Earth's surface and even inside you and me. I am talking, of course about bacteria. And they paradoxically are summer the most beneficial and harmful living organisms on the planet responsible both for keeping you healthy and happy and for leading to dangerous illnesses like pneumonia, for example. Now. In recent years, scientists have sounded the alarm about antibiotic resistant bacteria. In fact, just last year the World Health Organization said that antibiotic resistant. Diseases could kill up to get this ten million people every year by two thousand fifty to help us make sense of how antibiotic resistant works I'm joined today by Dr Mohammad Zaman. Doctors amount is is a professor of Biomedical Engineering at Boston University, and is an expert on cell biology. He's also the author of a brand new book called the biography of resistance the epic battle between people and pathogens boy what a timely subject that is on today's episode Doctors Amman and I will discuss the bacterial secret hiding in the guts of a long lost tribe the connection between the food we eat and antibiotic resistance bacteria, and whether you should worry about antibiotic, Resistance Doctors Monitors Pleasure to have you on the podcast. country. So let's start with this fascinating story that you tell in the book about Antibiotic Resistance Deep in a cave in New Mexico. Wait a minute deep in a cave can tell us about that. Yeah. So you know this this was this was a shocker for me as well. So to scientists doctor right. From. Canada and Dr Hazel Barton from Akron USC acorn. And De Teamed up together and if Dr Barton is sort of. An expert in bacteria living in deep caves and because bacteria member documentary have been there from the beginning of time billions of years. Old and to the teamed up. and. The idea was actually very simple. Want to go deep in the caves that have never been touched by any human activity caves that have been there for millions of years and see if the bacteria there that are not at all affected by human activity by the user abuse of drugs or are a bacterial. Products in the in the farms and see whether they are resistant to any off the Martin antibiotics. And what they found was absolutely stunning. Deep in these kids, these is one of the largest cave system in the world. I think among the top five largest cave system for miles and miles. And nor defined was at the bacteria there on the surfaces but not just resistant to first and second line antibiotics. But some of the even most advanced -biotics be have developed. and that was surprising rate. So Jerry Right and and Dr Barton together start to piece the puzzle turns out. That bacteria have been developing these mechanisms off coming a Banou antibiotics and resistance mechanisms from the very beginning otherwise. There would have been only one kind of bacteria the able to kill everybody else right. That's not the case. The fact that there is such diversity in the bacterial population tells you that this arms race is cosmic going on somebody gets an edge a little bit here. Somebody loses the battle a little bit there. What what is the problem here is human activity has started disrupt this equilibrium that has been going on for millions and millions of years that Colibri between producing new antibiotics and. Responding to those Atta -biotics that has been going on in soil in nature for a long time has been disrupted because of excessive use of antibiotics because of antibiotics used in. Agriculture being used in situations and we don't need them and dad has what sort of tipped the balance. So to be put the time on the scale, the little bit in the fever of antibiotic resistant bacteria, and hence the problem that are seeing in hospitals and in patients all over the world. So let me back up for just a second most people understand the term antibiotic. I think but the original antibiotics were drive from molds and funguses. Yes. That's right. That's right and this this was literally a battle between bacteria and molds and fungi for for space for for power. Absolutely. Absolutely. one of the most potent sources of. Antibiotics has been, of course, bacteria are the original producers. The are the these efficient machines and and and the best possible industry out there to produce antibiotics now. Figured out that. Looking around what are some of the places where you'll find all kinds of bacteria the most potent and the most sort of I think inexhaustible resource was your soil all of it from your backyard too deep jungles of Indonesia and the. Latin American countries and sort of all over the wool to mold found in bread and on. Cantaloupe. So, as we sort of dug deeper and learned about bacteria and how the produced being able to sort of harness that capacity. And Produce. Botox so an even to this date. Sir One of the most potent sources remains natural products a discover new out of -biotics as as natural environment, right so if you want to look in our national environment and the Bengals in Deland, several of these discoveries that come from soil that come from sort of rotten cantaloupe that comes from sort of pristine environments or sort of soil samples in Borneo. So for the longest time, be have been able to mind these places for new discoveries and I think scientists myself included believe that nature still has a lot of treasures to offer in terms of modern medicine and be continued to sort of learn and adapt and discover new things. On that Front I stadium Optima a I'm certainly an optimist on other fronts human behavior. So. You before I you know. So rudely interrupted you you were talking about, you know how antibiotic resistance now just seems out of control because of the antibiotics we use in raising animals for slaughter, and of course, the the Willy Nilly that we give antibiotics for things that aren't bacterial infections. Can You? Can you elaborate on that I think you you go into this in the book. Sure so they're SIPA dimensions of this. One dimension that you as a clinician are all too familiar with us and perhaps excessive use in hospitals in clinical settings some of it is being out of abundance of caution in hospital settings. Some of it is patient pressure on primary care physicians who want to get an antibiotic no matter what the primary care doctors under tremendous pressure pressure from parents and and what's of children or or patients themselves to get an antibiotic even though they may not need one that's one aspect of. The second aspect of it is consumers who would stop taking them after two days because they have started. If you'd better the fever has gone veras, you would need it for five or seventy s that's the other aspect of the probe. And the reason both of these are important is if as for your for your listeners in for your audience, it's important to recognize that antibiotics taken for a short period of time would kill some bacteria not all and you start to feel better but the bacteria that were most stubborn have survived. And David proliferate and they will grow and next time you get sick the same amount of biotic may take longer to cure you or may not cure your all because the one that were the hardest to kill the first time are now the ones that are in majority right? That's why it's important to finish the course at the same time when you take antibiotics or something that you don't need antibiotics for, for example, seasonal flu or common cold what you end up doing is you don't do anything to the virus which. End. Up doing is you start giving ammunition to the bacteria were causing less and are sort of just again, some of the bacteria are going to die. The stubborn warns are going to survive in going to come back with a vengeance and not only that it also risking your neighbors and your family and others because you are helping, create these bacteria that are resistant. So next time you're infecting them or infecting your neighborhood. Well, D-. Are the ones who are going to suffer. So so there's communal elementary. So those are two aspects of. The other aspects which are under appreciated to recognize. The fact that there isn't exists of antibiotics in the food production sector. Continues to be a problem because we have used and continue to use antibiotics in farm animals in as as growth promoters been there's absolutely no need. I'm not somebody who says that if an animal is sick, shouldn't give an antibiotic I think that would be unethical if there's an infection, you should give one but if you're using it for fattening up your chicken or or or giving it as part of feed in your cattle farm, then that's a problem and that's something that they are not the right us for and I think US China. India. Brazil, are often guilty. You'll die because of having very very large farms and pool regulations. That's another dimension. On top of this, there are two other things that talk about in the book pretend important. One of them is the fact that in many parts of the world, the quantity of antibiotics is not what it ought to be. So you can be a good patient and take your course for all five or seven days, but if the drug was only thirty percent pure. Then you're taking antibiotics with thirty percent of the time. So even though and that's an ethical issue because it's not the fall of the patient, but the system has failed you there and I think that's important recognize. Okay. So that's one other element and the last in the final one I think is global conflict makes people who are very vulnerable in the crosshairs of conflict. Get in situations where the hospital destroyed health workers are not their environment is contaminated and infection spreads. Very rapidly, and in these field hospitals, doctors don't have the capacity ability or the resources to test each individual person to know what the right antibiotic antibiotic you get is antibiotic. They have not the one that you need. So increasing conflict whether it is in the Middle East in Crimea or fear makes people vulnerable to these things. All of us. Are. Really troubled by the. Sort of racial injustice in this country and all over the this is an issue that has gone on for too long and his one that is is so deeply troubling depressing. One of the things we have to realize anytime these kind of injustices happen anybody in the world people who are on the losing and are also the ones do not have access to good healthcare. So the problem of covert or the plot problem antibiotic resistance is going to affect people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged. So. There is every reason from the clinical or research side to address this issue, but there's also reason from social justice side. Because the ones we're going to be most affected are the ones who have underlying conditions who do not have access to healthcare who do not have access to good information and all of these things I think are central as you want to build a better society that is better and more just and I think axel good healthcare regardless of your color of your skin or socioeconomic status should be a fundamental pillar in all of our dealings. couldn't stand it better. Let me. Let me ask you. I'm I'm old enough to remember when the first broad spectrum antibiotics were available, and I was actually in medical school at the time and we just thought it was the most wonderful thing that could possibly happen to us as clinicians because. Actually I'll tell you a wonderful story from medical school. We got to rotate through a private practice goes physician's offices. Part of my pediatric rotation was in a pediatrician's office, and he would take a swab for strep throat and he would then have his nurse give the mother a prescription for penicillin and ampicillin before the culture even came back and I said, we'll wait a minute. We took her culture. Aren't you going to see if this is actually you know strep and he I said why did you give him the antibiotics he said because if I don't give mom the antibiotic, she will go next door down the street to my competitor who will give her those antibiotics and the mom's looking for something to do and that's what I'm going to do and it was just this. Blew my mind. You know well, meaning medical student going Whoa that's not what you're supposed to do. But speaking as a medical student, one broad spectrum antibiotics came out. Now you know we didn't have to go oh, we gotta wait for the cultures we gotta we gotTa figure out what this bug is. Let's just shotgun everything and we actually saw for the first time in the seventies C. Difficile we didn't even know what that was back. Then we called it pseudo membranous inner colitis and I've written in my books. We actually gave patients fecal animas from medical students and to cure C diff back in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety. So. What what has broad spectrum antibiotics done to us. I'm a sort of a strong believer in research and. I think the broad spectrum antibiotics offer the ability to treat both gram positive and gram negative infections and I think there's there's a value and a place for them. But I think they also offer to a certain extent this false sense of. Confidence and false sense of comfort that has been abused rates. They offered us sort of a sense of invincibility saying that maybe The. Ought to be head of the bacterial pollution and I think that Hubris which I hope is now addressed has not served as well. If you preserver serves you well anytime any light and that's where it comes from the doctors of the patients that comes from the public health professor of the partitions is never a good idea. But what ended up happening was it was the sense that well will always have these -biotics and no matter what infection is even always be able to. Address that. But we know now and even at that time early on be were able to see if he had paid attention that resistance emot- almost immediately as using antibiotics give example, very specific example here and I talk about that in the book as well. So Cipro is something that many of your listeners and many of your colleagues effeminate be taken upset stomach. If you travel abroad traveler's diarrhea, suppose well-known now Cipro's this sort of big hot commodity in in mid and late eighties as soon as it was ruled out been a year or two the reports. Of Resistance to Ciprofloxacin, which tells you that one the resistance aspect can be pretty fast and dynamic, and to that there is new really I would say protection from resistance, and now we know that resistance is also natural. It's it's not surprising to expect resistance happening and it has happened from the from the beginning of time what can help us is to constantly extend that run through our behavior and better practices so that the are ahead off the bacteria resistance process they will always be resistance, but for it to happen almost immediately and happen in sort of that Widespread sense is what makes people very vulnerable when we already have a high risks. The head of our department of Urology. Is. told me that. Only about fifty percent of people with urinary tract infections now respond to Cipro that's absolutely it's. So. So Uti's are sort of Are Among the most common Lee seen challenges in hospitals in places where you work in Boston and elsewhere bitch is sort of a a a real challenge because the the fact that on one end, you don't have new antibiotics coming to the market another and you have more and more people who are not responding to therapy that only ten years ago where a lot more potent should give us very, very serious cause for concern, and this is for people who are in the hospital for people who are not coming to hospital in May develop infections at various levels is is I think you don't even know how to count those numbers. So, there you know when you go on the Internet, they say don't drink your municipal water because it's got antibiotics in it. What's what's say you? Well. So I think I am not a fan of sort of. people's claims without really backed up data I. Think if it is reason that there are antibiotics either in full form or in residues, I think that needs to be really taken care of but I think there is not a danger out there in also creating this sort of a a sense of unnecessary fear without backed up scientific data, and that's where I would draw the line. I think be no from from all over the world that there are antibiotics in water and sewage systems because most of that of ought be would take part of it would be absorbed. The other part would be sort of excreted out of the system. So data's that itself is not. A scientifically disputed but the fact is that somehow thinking that somebody's adding -biotics to the system is I think a claim that seems both bold in dishes in one that Moore signed Difficu- scrutiny. It's not to say that there aren't antibiotics in our system force if you're looking live any their downstream of. A poultry or cattle farm the amount of antibiotics in that environment are going to be high largely because of poor regulatory infrastructure. But does that mean that you waters don't see to drink? I. Think that has to be done on a case by case basis as opposed to one size fits all dead creates the sense of conspiracy theory which is very dangerous and we're seeing some of those conspiracy theories but. Also in Cova Vich just sort of take to be from good public health practices which are scientifically sound and are in public interest. So you brought up, you know chicken in cattle farms. were. Sometimes assured that no no, it's illegal to use antibiotics and chickens anymore or no? No no it's illegal to use these and yet. Correct me if I'm wrong many of these products that to have no antibiotics when they're tested have in fact antibiotics in them. Well with. This this is a great question and unfortunately the devil here is in the details. So the malls are debated written. Delete a lot of loopholes they would say they wouldn't give attics for Prophylaxis Ruth. Control. But then they're lossing which are very about using antibiotics prophylactically to control infection ahead of time. Which? Gives Some of our. Colleagues in the farming community and opportunity who used them sort of not illegally. But in ways that are I would say not entirely consistent with what we ought to do. So I, think there are regulations in places. Scandinavian is is an example, Netherlands example beer the laws on venue can and cannot use biotic. So that's argument won the second argument is. If, you don't use antibiotics and. And that claim it also be true in some cases and they would say you don't use -biotics that have been sort of us or classified for exclusive human use but they would use other antibiotics that may not be for human use and maybe use only sort of farms and animals that doesn't mean that that takes the problem. Because if you look at the mechanism, they may sort of lead to resistance anyway, even if they are not sort of a approved for human use so. There I think there is a slightly misleading approach same that don't use any antibiotics be mean as we don't use any antibiotics that are for human use but maybe you may use for other animal using and they may lead to resistance and one of the things that we talked about in the book, which is important in which the big discovery in the nineteen fifties is how resistance can jump from one bacterial species to another something that is called horizontal gene transfer. So up until nineteen fifties. Dr. The. Understanding was that it was only vertical in other words mutations from one generation of bacteria to the other. But be new from the late forties into into fifties that was discoveries demonstrating that there's something that can jump from one species, for example, E. coli to Salmonella and sort of in in a form of you can imagine it sort of kind of a bacterial meeting or the little packets of DNA that can jump from one bacterial species to another making it possible that you may be tweeting E. coli but the resistance may be developing Salmonella. And that sort of really changed the field and I think that is there have to be a consent every now and then your your listeners, your colleagues would hear the would plasma and and seeing that are plasmids. Gaza, just a packet or a cassette of DNA that is mobile, the mobile genetic elements that can go from one to the other making it very difficult. So I grew up in August on the the sudden part of the country I grew up in the northern part. But in the southern part of the country, there's a typhoid outbreak which is resistant to drugs except to anymore right. So every single drive doesn't work only two of them work as carpenters that can only be given in the hospital and the other one is from is then and dad? Emergence, off this extensively, drug resistant typhoid was because of these classmates. Hey, podcast listeners Dr under here and I need your help. I'm always trying to improve this podcast so I can bring the most valuable and insightful information to you the listeners. In the show notes for each episode of this podcast, you'll find a link to a survey. Please just take a few minutes to fill it out. So I can learn more about you and what you would most like to hear us discuss on the show. Your opinion really matters. So thank you. I, like the way you clarified that because I think what's amazing is that you're right bacteria for lack of a better word can mate and transfer you know a resistance to an antibiotic that they may the other bacteria never seen it. But now that bacteria has has gotten that information. Absolutely. Absolutely, and that's why increase is important along with better sanitation and hygiene. But assuming that I was only treating E coli it I'm not sure why Salmonella has it. Would make an assumption that is just not accurate because there is meeting fusion of bacteria and transfer of genetic material from one to the other. And and we find that in the micro human microbiome research. That's this goes on constantly there is. Constant talk between bacteria constant exchange of genetic information and it's actually. You know like you say who who would have imagined that this could happen. That's absolutely all right. I WanNa ask you about the money who? Tell me about this tribe in the Amazon jungle in their microbes. What why? Why would you be interested in a tribe in the Amazon? So you know this was one of those serendipitous moments in science. Did our tribes in Amazon that are on contacted and have been there for. Thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of the Yanomami one part of one of them. In sort of. Two thousand during routine surveillance operation Venezuelan army a group of people that they hadn't seen before. Now, the international agreed upon ethics at any time you see group. It means that somebody else can also see that. And if somebody else can see that droop. Means, that they do not have the same sort of immunization as you and I might, which means that if you and I might be carrying a disease that they're not protected against measles, for example, Demi, bike out in the matter of a few days so. CARE has to be to make sure that you are protecting them send you wanNA leave them Disturbed but the fact is that you have seen them means that other people can also see them and you have an ethical responsibility as humans to protect the people were vulnerable and that goes for everybody. All right. So this is what happens and so the Venezuelan. Tropical Research Institute To. Ethically they were I mean the location skeptical. Only a few people know but. A couple of researchers were looking at antibiotics. Decide well, maybe this is an interesting question to understand What is their microbiome? What exactly the have not certainly come in contact with Martin hospitals their diet is different lifestyle is different. Their community structure is different. So what they did was before they give them a immunizations against of the routine. Highly contagious diseases they collected. The dead cells on the skin and the fecal samples to both of these are noninvasive and. Were collected, and so then we have now back tools to analyze what kind of cells are there what's in there in these samples? and Lo and behold again, just like that sort of story in New New, Mexico sort of cave system here game. You see these skin cells in fecal samples have bacteria that are resistant to second third and even fourth generation. Bronx. Doubt is just completely bizarre, right so how could these group of people be resistant an? Their microbiome may have bacteria. So one of the things that I make this mistake often. And I wanted to tell your listeners is people don't become resistant bacteria that are resistant rates be have to keep that in mind did resistant individual here at biotic it's the bacteria that's resistant and be carried that bacteria red me sort of an infection. So. The YANOMAMIS are excluded from development of Brazilian Venezuela they are vulnerable group vulnerable group their city not coming in contact. So what's going their rates at this is just sort of completely bizarre and goes back against the notion that it's the human activity that is driving that. Well. It turns out that there. We don't know all the answers and this is one of the other things that I tell my colleagues and my students edney that signs is a process. It's a process of learning about ourselves. What we want to be confident in is in the method that adults can change and they continue to change and you learn as long as we are certain and happy and rigorous methodology. That's most important thing the results I mean not too long ago. People believe that the Earth was the center of the universe. It wasn't very long when the and but but how you move forward anyway. So my point is that. There are several reasons. One is it is possible that in the Diet as I mentioned earlier and the environment are bacteria that are producing antibiotics and also are developing resistance one to V don't fully understand the microbiome and what may be happening. There is something else or three, and these are these are consuming things. But then they're also positive anything slightly encouraging aspects where there are antibiotics out there that we haven't really discovered yet and they may be similar to ones we made in the live but nature me already have made them. Hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions of years ago. And of course, then you have to think about something that you mentioned earlier, the waterways may be also have some contamination. So so as you look at the because while we may not have come in contact with them the city coming in contact with the environment and the war. But defined the deal resistant. Tells you something much deeper that there's hoppy. Don't know and I think at some point behalf to throw up our hands and say, well is not I don't know I need to understand and I need to think about that. There are things here that are containing the thing that are very positive and exciting. So. Actually at the start, we talked a bit about the soil and how the soil has changed and the soil has its own microbiome. And so We're we've changed our soil. I've railed against this. You've spoken against this in the book. What is soil? Have to do with all of this. So. There are endless stories about both just absolutely fascinating stories about what soil has and how soil plays a role our environment. Is. A doctor is who VR and the have a tremendous sort of relationship with this environment are microbiome and the soil plays a central role early on scientists figured out that soil both from our own backyards and our. National Parks in our? Environment as will soil from. Far off lands some tips near even Tick jungles or right around the graveyards has these bacteria that really are remarkable introducing unusual molecules and I think as we change our environment bureau also changing our microbiome in tremendous ways and as I said earlier I, think there's not that we don't know and I think there's a mark we ought to learn and they may be sort of hidden treasures that the earth has about ten years ago. There was sort of a discovery of new antibiotics again from soil samples than I think as our methods becomes more and more sophisticated, we learn more about our environment and hopefully more about our ability to Benefit from that environment in in a much more I would say a holistic manner. Okay. So we've we've touched on this but everybody knows the word super bugs and what what are super bugs or the fears overblown is there anything we can stop these super bugs or we're just going to wait and they're gonNA take over US So I think the fear Israel. So what so so again, it's one of those terms that is harder to find technically and and and as scientists you want to clearly define but once something becomes a popular part of the common vocabulary. It changes its meanings rates. A superbugs are defined differently by different people broadly speaking what it means is that there are bugs that we cannot fully fight with existing arsenal be may have a diminishing number of antibiotics dat might work and they're super because they don't respond to one or two, or perhaps three of our drugs after US really sophisticated drugs but terrible terrible side effects really get a hold of them. The fear is not country I think. Even. With the most conservative estimates most conservative ones The number of people dying because of antimicrobial resistance in this country appropriators about twenty, three thousand and the reason I say it's most conservative. One is because there's a whole bunch of debts. Accepts, which is, which is a big big cause of debt that an associated with antimicrobial resistance because they're cool morbidity than other factors that are there right. So so we count them as such certainly more saw a another sort of. infection that people like you seen hospitals all the time. Is a factor and the reason I would be concerned about superbugs is because the curve is increasing more and more people are getting affected more and more people not responding to antibiotics and more and more hospitals having to recognize that this is a concern changing your hospital practice. Imagine a scenario, their routine surgeries, even elective surgeries are becoming harder. People are having to deal with my criminal resistance hospitals having to send people home soon because they're worried that if you stayed a little longer, you develop an infection that would be harder people having to return to hospitals because the infection is so stubborn that it just doesn't go away with the first course of that on a biotic. So I think we have to think about how really starts to impact the baby seek healthcare and as I mentioned earlier, people who are already suffering because of systemic issues, people who have multiple jobs. People who are underinsured or uninsured people who are struggling financially for them. These kinds of challenges can be a knockout blow. As we as we look at that issue so I, think that fear is real and one that. Is Increasing the other thing I want to say and I think if one thing Colbert should have told us is that via all in this together, you and me on different coasts of this country me and my family on the other side of the planet. And Anna Microbial resistance is no different afterguard the bookstore to the story of a woman who sort of slips and sort of has a hip injury in another country and ends up dying in Nevada. And none of the twenty four antibiotics approved by the CDC work. Right. So I think be have recognized. This is not an abstract concept. It's an issue that is very real and Suny one that is in our own neighborhoods But then I also want to sort of I don't want to be sort of the. Sort of bitter bad news there is. So the reason I wrote, this is the biography is. Just as we have. CAUSED, this problem Through action or inaction didn't lies the opportunity also. By our behavior change by better understanding and. By not just better science, which is important but also better policies by sort of having the sense of where the problem comes from our solutions can also respond and reflect on. Good. Point. Now. You mentioned which is a virus and this day. I. Am impressed. So many people do not. Know the difference between a virus and a `bacterial. And but I, want you to tell me about viruses that attack bacteria phages. Absolutely this is this is another one of those sort of interesting dimensions people. So you're absolutely right many of my friends would know the difference between Nevada's bacteria that's fine I. Don't know a lot of things that either the all and it's good to learn. The tiniest bacteria is really bigger than the biggest viruses. The viruses. So we know that viruses need a living object to survive and thrive. That could be a blood cell that could be sell or environment in your and my lung I hope is not the case, but that will also be curious. So the viruses can live and bacteria soap about one hundred years ago scientists realize that will some viruses can live inside bacteria and then basically hijacked machinery. And Kill it. And these are called bacteria phages. Now, that's really interesting. Because does that mean that can be used bacteria viruses to our program viruses are use viruses to target bacteria that are so stubborn that are drugs cannot work on them. The answer is yes and it's a qualified. Yes. This therapy Dr Gunnery is order than antibiotics. Back in the day. About one, hundred, ten years ago or hundred five years ago. This became deep blockbuster to the point that Pulitzer Prize winning book Aerosmith focused on bacteria phases. So for for your listeners who have a taste for both history and literature if you look at the book game, which is brilliant, they'll find sort of the story of this brilliant scientists and his character to save the world. And aerosmith and and that's why I'm here. Now. They became the hot commodity and these sort of faded because it was hard to really produce them for a number of different bacteria. their potency was good but not great antibiotics came and they became cheaper easily could produce them in mass numbers also. Again in all of our lives became not separate science from politics bacteria ages became the drug off the communist bloc, right so so the big institute was in Georgia. Joseph Stalin was a patron of that institute had a lot to do with that and that's sort of. The politics became part of the conversation as well and sort of rejecting everything that was coming from the former Soviet Union. In nineteen eighties as the understanding of. Antibiotics and their limited Putin he became an issue people started to go back to the bacteria phages, and by early two thousands people are saying, well, they may be something out there for them and I think now there is increasing events. There is a potential however I that with a sense of caution that potential comes. From, the fact recognition that one, there's a not don't understand for example, we do not have the same number of. Robust and rigorous clinical trials to demonstrate the efficacy. So there are some promising evidence would not as much as you would line. So that's the first thing. The second thing is the fact that viruses living organisms beneath need to understand how they will change. Once they are in the bacteria inside the human body and what you would call sort of immune pathogen response Howard, our immune system react to this and those questions are important is wall and finally I. Think. The reality is that for any drug really reach the marketing stage and commercialization, you have to see What is the appetite? FDA was the appetite of the existing legal framework in licensing and all of that and I think that also is in its infancy it's getting there but it's not quite there. So I would say a promise. Yes. But via the caution that there's a lot, we don't know. I think correct me if I'm wrong I think Eli Lilly one of the big pharmaceuticals started as a bacteria phages company. Yes. So there are some I. think they're including clinical trials that companies are looking at that Even I spoke for the book us. Navy was interested in looking at this specially for its officers in the tropics who were increasingly concerned about the various kinds of An microbial resistant organisms. So I think there is as I. Said Promise, there's a lot of discussion in the. Microbiology Research, community to understand what's going on but as I said I, think it doesn't have the seem a broad sort of applicability right now as antibiotics do and you also know that not all bacteria material all the same even without a -biotics you have a whole diversity on the mechanism of action and I think the same would have to be taught through when it comes to pages that some diseases will be more suited to respond to it than others. Now. Also, in the news there's word that pharmaceutical companies really aren't interested in developing antibiotics. What's with that? I mean come on. There's gotta be big money in this. Well. So that's the communist option Dr Gunn reinforced. Let's do it. Well. Okay. Let's talk experiment You're you're a clinician. Imagine that you are ahead of a publicly traded pharmaceutical company. And you have two options you can invest in antibiotics that people who take for five, seven ten days or you can invest in a for hypertension or cancer that people would take a very long period of time. The numbers are not the same. That's the first thing. The second thing is, let's say you are super successful and come up for an antibiotic against a stubborn grand negative infection that people have been struggling for decades. You market it in and the gum is doctored under the great job in very proud of you. But I don't want you to market it to the public because we want to hold it for the worst case scenario. Right, so so because if everybody uses, it won't develop resistance if you don't want that. Dad is like the biggest mood killer possible for any investor that you spend hundreds of millions perhaps billions of dollars and you can Margaret it what do you mean an here? I'm neither defending the gum nor the pharmaceutical companies I'm laying out the reality off this pot experiment. And sort of. Talk about why are marble is broken and needs to be fixed in terms public good right to do. The two things to thing is people know that resistance is natural in a matter of time even with good -biotics, you'll start to see some resistance. We learned that four in many parts of the will in tuning in I grew up. Antibiotics are available over the counter. You don't need a prescription prescription. Drug laws are not very strong in countries that have hundreds of millions of people. You, market it there but pretty soon, you'll have resistance emerged in bacchus on or Nigeria or India or wherever. So, this starts really affect the mood In cancer or in hypertension or in mental health or you name it or Musculoskeletal Disorders, the drugs are robust I mean the fact that in the last ten or fifteen years be only about forty, forty, three drugs in the pipeline tells you how little appetite there is in pharmaceutical companies. Who instead of entering the market are actually leaving the market because the numbers are not adding up. because. We were talking about Kobe This is a statement from a friend of mine coming out percent, and so he works on economics of. Pharmaceuticals, and he said I'll I'll say that to your listeners as well if you had. A Kobe vaccine eight months ago. The value of that would have been zero dollars. Nobody would have been interested. So it tells you that the market dynamics are not well suited for these kinds of public. Pharmaceutical of public health challenges envy need to create different incentives for pharmaceutical companies to come into that some operators market entry. Some of it is other kinds of rebates those are being discussed and but when I speak to my colleagues in public health, this is their concern because. The word that happens in my lab doesn't reach your patients unless and until pharmaceutical companies are involved in making that drug. Safe. Clear. My job has no capacity. No not training no ability to make a drug. We can make all the discoveries we one, but it's a complicated sophisticated process and Pharma companies have to be involved and you have to create a mechanism by which four profit companies and the public sector would together to do that. Otherwise, we'll have the standard that we have right now. So is there any hope? There is some. And Hoop comes from incentivizing medium to small biotech companies that are not as big as some of these giant. Billion dollar companies to come of it maybe one drug and being able to market it and take it to the level where it becomes attractive. an aide in the US. Wellcome trust in UK and a few other agencies have partnered together to create this consortium one of them's called. That is incentivizing Sort of small and medium biotech companies who have demonstrated early success who take them because that's called the value of debt. So to speak, you have early success but not commercialization and few people are interested in investing in that value debt because great idea good paper good publications. But to take it through through the boring and laborious process clinical trials, you have very few investors and didn't want to bridge that gap there and the incentivize by saying look. We don't want any equity in this you will. Maintain the equity Vitas won't help you because this should be a public. So there's hoping that the other dimension of hope which I think is absolutely important. Is the fact that more people including many of your listeners. Ville start asking these questions and thinking about behavior change and thinking twice before the tell their primary care physician and the story that you told about the neighboring physician prescribing hence all patients going through him or her is absolutely I've heard that I I can't even count anymore how many times I've heard that so data fairness is important, and then of course, the fact is that we need better diagnostics, sir? Vich, allow people to make a decision on how an antibiotic to use as opposed to giving broad spectrum antibiotics that are one size fits all, but that size doesn't fit anything. Yeah. That's a great point. And some of that technology already exists. Yeah it's just not utilized very much because. Again it's just so much more convenient to say here you know here's your prescription. Absolutely, and we've seen that that that that doesn't help anyone sitting doesn't help the patient, but it doesn't help the community or loved ones doesn't help the kids in that founding doesn't help the elderly neighbor. They have. All right before I let you go. What's exciting in bacterial science that get you up in the morning Well. There's a lot of things that are exciting I think. Fundamental curiosity of how bacteria have been doing this for. FOUR MILLION YEARS OF FORTY THIRTY BILLION THE ALIEN IS THIS is absolutely fascinating but I think my excitement. From the fact that as we know and understand more and more about bacteria build realized that bacteria are not this little tiny bug that lives in its own wool. Its modified and and. It's part of our community and our behavior individual and collective is. The bacterial behavior that is affecting arbiter and that to me is a tremendously humbling. Moment and I think as as the all should know looking at covert humidity is both in short supply and absolutely needed. So I think. That sense of humility and how we're all connected is important. One of the biggest lessons for me Dr Gunn Rewards to appreciate the signs is part of the solution but not all of the solution, Human Behavior Economics Policy research in ethics, sociology, conflict, and war. All of these things are interconnected in myriad ways that allow us to really be a better person, a better scientist, better researcher and ultimately people who would be able to help others in sort of combating and mitral resistance I remain optimistic that been may be shrinking. But that that we can do, we can change things for the better. However, that would mean. Doing the hardest thing. Possible. That is behavior change. That's true and that's Kind of what I, what I do is try to change my patients behavior and you're right. It's hard. But that's why we're doing all this. That's why we're doing all of this. All right. Well, actually mine it's been a pleasure having you on the show today. People. Find more about you obviously can get the book wherever books are sold absolutely favorable are sold this May. Be Sort of my own personal feeling but I am a strong supporter of going local. So if your local neighborhood bookstore is open. If they don't have it, they can order it. Then are real people are neighbors work in those bookstores and you know the best part about local bookstores is that you can have a conversation about the book, but the bookseller and who knows what may come out of that. So if you can go local, please do yeah I absolutely agree I've we've actually got a bookstore that has been allowed open and we're in they're buying books so. That's excellent. All right. Well, thanks again for for being on. This is fascinating I know our listeners are gonNA love this so Good luck with the book and go go find some killers of bad bugs. Would you? Thank. You and your listeners will get a chance to reflect on this and I would love to hear from them through your advice. Thank you so much. Very good. Thanks a lot. Thank you. All right. So now it's time for the audience. Question. See Schilling from instagram. Yeah. I just had a surgery for the removal of some stones and was on antibiotics for a long time. Why appropriate question? How do I detox all the antibiotics and what probiotics do you recommend l.? Okay so you don't. You don't detox from antibiotics. They are not toxic in any way to human cells, but they are obviously designed to kill or at least maim bacteria. and. Sometimes, just like we went on this program, bacteria have different resistance to being killed and the point of all this is that many times unfortunately. What were infected with now is resistant to the first round of antibiotics sometimes the second round of antibiotics and we have to kind of. Get stronger and stronger antibiotics to have an effect. So those antibiotics we've unfortunately learned also kill off the microbiome particularly if you were put on aural antibiotics now, we're pretty convinced that IV antibiotics through your veins are not going to have the same effect. On Your Gut microbiome as swallowing these antibiotics. So that's number one. So if you've got IV antibiotics, you don't have to worry as much about the long term effects. What the long term effects of Orleans -biotics are is we had no idea that these antibiotics not only killed all the bad bugs but killed a lot of our good bugs, the probiotics. Now. The problem is there are some studies that show a single five to seven day course of antibiotics may wipe out your entire microbiome or most of it for up to two years after that dose of oral antibiotics two years. Now people go well, I'll just take some probiotics which are friendly bacteria and I'll get all my. Bugs back. That's like saying. We recently had forest fires here in southern California that unfortunately destroyed a lot of our homes. Including mine. But if we went out after that fire and the forest burn down and we planted little pine trees. Are Forest would not be back for twenty maybe thirty years a complete ecosystem of floors of a forest, and it's actually quite naive to think that we can swallow maybe twenty different strains of probiotics and expect that we would have ten thousand different strains of probiotics growing in our got. Unfortunately that's probably just not going to happen, and that's what's so important to realize as I talk about in my previous books and I'm talking about in the energy paradox next one. If. You look at the diversity, the number of probiotics, friendly bacteria and bacteria in general and species in the gut of for instance Hunter Gatherer these tribes molly they have this incredible diverse ecosystem and if you compare that to a typical, Westerner? Around the world we have just all horrible. Very tiny fraction of all the bugs we probably should have. So. Yeah do I think you should take probiotics after a round about X. absolutely. But what's more important is that there actually are little ness of these friendly bacteria that live in all of our guts in the crypts. and. What I think is far more important is you gotta give these guys what they want to eat to come out of hiding and those are prebiotics. Those are the fibers that good bugs like. So yeah take your probiotics but more importantly give those bugs, what they need and those are prebiotics so great questions. Okay it's time for the review of the weeks Stephanie Lamb on Youtube wrote in and said this height actor G. as a recently graduated PhD congratulations I greatly appreciate how you translate and transfer scientific knowledge to the public. This is very difficult for academics to do in your a successful example of this. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us well I. Really appreciate that coming from a PhD. That's what I've tried to do throughout my career is make a pretty complex stuff. Pretty easy to understand and I. Appreciate. It. Me Recognize my efforts and I'll keep doing it. So thanks very much. Appreciate that Stephanie. All right. That's it for the Doctor Gunnery podcast. We'll see you next week. Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Doctor Country Podcast before you go I, just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on itunes, Google play stitcher or wherever you get your podcast and if you WanNa Watch each episode of the doctor. country. PODCAST. You can always find me on youtube at Youtube Dot com slash Dr Gunnery because I'm Dr Country and I'm always looking out for you.

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She changed her life, and her illness "vanished"

"Welcome to the doctor Gandhari. Podcast the weekly podcast. Where Dr g gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life so welcome to the doctor. Gunnery podcast since the plant paradox. Came out about two years ago. I've been warning people about the seven deadly disruptors. Those sneaky Ayzertech found in everyday household items. While today we'll be talking about at least one category of those deadly disruptors and a whole lot more in just a minute. I'll be speaking with the author odd caster and award winning water tadie wells as a mom of six. Katie is fast. Easy and affordable hacks for living wellness centered lifestyle her popular blog wellness. Mama DOT COM upstate. The guesswork out of healthy living providing simple answers for healthier families through practical tips recipes natural beauty and cleaning tutorials and more today. We'RE GOING TO DISCUSS. Katie's journey to becoming a bonafide wellness Mama and how to jumpstart the ultimate healthy home makeover without breaking the Bank shady. Welcome to throw grounds so great. That we're finally connected. I so glad to finally connect with you. Thank you so much for having me. Great to connect so you were you were waiting for your postnatal doctor's appointment something happens that changes your entire life. Can you take us there and tell our audience what happened absolutely so when my first son was born? I was waiting for that. Follow up appointment which is in the. Us where they tell you that you're supposed to be all good. Go back to normal which I now take issue with but the doctor was running late because of another deliberate so I was sitting there for a couple of hours and had read pretty much every magazine in the waiting room by that point because I was nursing a baby the entire time and the last one I picked up. I think it was a Time magazine. I was flipping through and this really stood out to me and it said for the first time. In two centuries the current generation of American children will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents and it was such a stark lightning moment for me because I was holding the next generation of American children. I was nursing. This perfect tiny baby and I went on to read about autoimmune disease and cancer heart disease diabetes and the rates that our kids were gonna face all of these things at and it just really like hit something inside of me in that day. I resolved that I was going to help change that and I had no idea how I was going to help. Change that or any way to even start that process but I just realized that was not going to be okay for my child for any future children or for anyone's children that we owed it to our children to do better and at the same time. Unbeknownst to me I had the underpinnings of autoimmune disease happening and I was starting to see symptoms that I kept writing office. Pregnancy symptoms. New Mom symptoms were lack of sleep symptoms but they would continually build over the next few years and I would end up encountering my own house prices so that day began a two part research journey for me both on. How can I make sure I'm giving my kids? Better start in life. Those statistics say and also how I find my way back to health and be a good example of healthy mom and you know implement the smart family so mentioned autoimmune disease. And where what happened with you. Where are you with that? Can you bring us up to date? Absolutely that's a great question so it was a very long research process for me and I ended up working with. I think it was eight doctors by the time I finally figured out what worked for me. But through a combination of Diet actually very similar to that you recommend and lifestyle factors and huge key for me was dealing with emotional stress and trauma but after addressing all of those. I am in remission from autoimmune disease I don't have any race biomarkers and everything looks normal. Technically I on paper no longer have automotives Bourbon. So you didn't you didn't just change your life you start a blog To help others do the same thing. So was that your aim when you start this this blog to not only you know. Get Your Life and your family protected but guess to protect everybody else. Teach them the tricks not really. It's interesting because advertently ended up helping me reach that goal of helping other families start from beginning with healthy foundations It really was just an outlet for me at that point because I joked that if you WANNA create autoimmune disease I seem to have discovered the formula which was in college. I was super driven. So lots of stress really terrible food at Knowsley. And if you get all those right you have a really good shot at autoimmune disease which is pretty much what I had done and so I had finished college by about Nineteen Basically just maxed out hours very very driven But he created all these health problems and now I was home with this baby and my background being journalism from college. My default was if I have a problem I research and I figured out how to fix it because the research and so I didn't. It was just my default to research and write. I didn't know how to not right. And so it was an outlet for me to chronicle and put in one place what I was going through and very quickly. I realized there were a lot of other people on a parallel path. Unfortunately which I know in your work you talk about so much. All these things overseas especially autoimmune disease in the rates at which we're seeing that and of course now knowing that pregnancy can certainly kind of springboard into that you already have some of those risk factors going It sounds so funny to say now but looking back. It was discovering things for the first time like the foods we eat. Have a more of an impact on US calories? Because that's what I got in high. School and college nutrition was that it was about calories and that was a lightning bolt moment. That seems simple now But was absolutely huge to realize at that time and I realized you know maybe there are other parents. Dailies also haven't made these connections as long as you're just sitting under this calorie amount of nuance gaining weight. You're fine if you're eating these foods So it's kind of this whole journey of discovery book self discovery and then being able to share that and as the community built. I realized you know community is a huge aspect of health as well. I know we talked about this Lynn. You are my podcast. It's one of the statistically most important things you need to get right and I realized this was building an online community of sorts of support. Where moms really be there for each other and learn these things together as we went harvard. So since starting wellness Mama you've got lots of accolades Rate LIST DOT COM named US. One of one hundred most influential people in health and wellness. Along with my buddy doctor is and decker McCullough both of my friends so I mean it sounds like you did this as a journaling exercise. Initially it did it surprise you on how much the took off it did it. I think I think there was an element of certainly being in the right place at the right time. I'm really grateful. I got to be there and I got to kind of lead. The charge with this community is very much considered community now. I don't consider myself on US online. I consider while Massamba thing that we can all be MOMS. It did somewhat surprising. I'm lucky that I am married to a tech genius really good at Seo so that definitely helped with the process. He was using me as testing ground for his paying clients them. Long Story Short. It works but I think the sad part is the fact that it resonated with so many people means there are so many people struggling with these things and there are so many people starting to realize all these products were bringing into. Our home aren't necessarily healthy for US. And all of these foods that are marketed to our kids are not healthy for them and all these things that we've been told our whole lives about health may be completely wrong and so it makes me sad in some ways that it became so popular because it meant that there was a lot of underlying problems going on that we now need to address But I also am really encouraged by because I've always said I think moms are the most powerful force for change on the planet and I think you can change the moms and empower the MOMS and give the MOMS in a band west to make these changes in their own family. You can completely change our country in the span of a generation and so from the beginning. That's been my hope is to be that voice. Be that support for MOMS because I really truly at my core believed that moms can change the world. No you're absolutely right Now you're the first reminding people that you're not a doctor and I certainly applaud you for saying that but so it sounds. I grow your a great researcher. And how how did you come up with all your recipes? Tips and tricks. You're so right I definitely always make sure I say that probably too much. I'm not a doctor. I don't play on the internet or on TV and thankfully there are many amazing doctors like you out there. Educating doing that job that I can't do but I also think there's tremendous value like I just mentioned in in mom I think the mothers were the traditional holders of wisdom to begin with. When you're young you go to your mom or you go to your grandma there. Were these like values in recipes and things that were passed through generations and mothers are the keepers of that and so horrible Mama as well is bringing back that Reviving the idea of mother's wisdom. So I think there's I think the best scenario is a partnership between amazing doctor. You and a Mom. Who's doing the research who cares about her kids who's willing to make changes and so. I don't think they're all intention. I think they can work well together in that. We need so much both of those things to make the changes that I know you and I both so desperately WanNa see especially in our children But I think moms are great. The practical side. I'm on the ground every day. Six kids living that life cooking the meals experimenting in my own house and I think that's the practical side is a mom's realm that we are the authorities on and I think I am. I have a great doctor. I work with. She agrees with me. That moms are sometimes the best experts in their kids health especially when working with the doctor because no one cares and so I think when you give moms tools and connect MOMS with the resources the really good medical resources doctors. That's when you just you see the best outcomes so you've got a great doctor who worked with the kind of feedback you get from other moms. Who Take some information provider? What they've found works for them and then tried to give it to their doctor. Is there a lot of pushback that is definitely a tough thing? I think geographies areas. It's tougher than others. I know In big cities you can almost always find doctors align with your values now we're seeing the age of concierge medicine. Where WITH NEW LAWS? Doctors are able to work remotely with people. I think that's amazing. We're seeing that. We can connect with specialists. Maybe in another state you would never have had the chance to connect within the laws are still developing when it comes to that But I think I know a lot of MOMS. Feel like they have to fight with their doctor. And I think it's twofold. I think it's researching and finding a doctor that is going to have an approach that hopefully will align with yours and being able to stand up for the things you know are important Give your child's history or your history like you know that better than anyone else but it also is like I said finding that synergistic partner with a doctor being willing to listen to their advice as well so I think those two things are very important together. you're you're in a fairly Part of the country Do you find it. Challenging you. Bothersome found a great physician is more challenging out of the city. You have to travel a long way or is a community like yours Taking the place of you know a constant physician contact. I don't think it takes the place. I joke that we actually have to travel farther for a dentist. We loved a Doctor. But we use a company called steady. Md So my doctor is not actually in my state. But she's licensed in my state and the way the law's work between our two states can do a lot of things virtually so obviously she's not gonNa Prescribe Narcotics Long Distance. You can't set a bone over the phone but for a lot of the things would happen with kids like we there's Digital Otis goats I can send you a picture of an eardrum and say what would you do in this scenario or does this need stitches or kid. Has these symptoms joining to take her in or not So for those kinds of things. I feel like it's cut down on eighty percent of my parenting hassles and also just I feel like I have a doctor literally my pocket and I love. That technology has enabled things like that. Certainly Technology has its problems in parents have lots of opinions about that but I think it certainly also has its benefits who'll Our virtual shots yet. Not yet they haven't quite figured that out. Okay so this is great. I WANNA DIVING. Now in what you've been up to in in some things you research but ran take a quick break and we're gonNA come right back so stay tuned. You're not gonNA miss this episode with Wellness Momma Kitty Wells. So we'll be right back. Is Eating Leptin free safe for my children. How about during pregnancy Dr g? How on earth can I afford to feed my entire family on the plant paradox eating program in my latest book the plant? Paradox FAMILY COOKBOOK. Eighty one pot recipes to nourish your family using your instant pot. Slow COOKER OR SHEET PAN. These questions and more will be answered. Plus there's delicious recipes of comfort food. You love like cheesecake and Mac and cheese made with ingredients that actually love you back so pick up your copy now at your local bookstore. Barnes and Noble Amazon. And make sure you tell your friends and family about it and we're back. Welcome back to the doctor. Odd GUYS WE'RE TALKING WITH WELLNESS. Mama Eighty Wells who? I'm a big fan of so when you boil it down. What's the most important thing to keep in mind when you're creating a healthy living environment for you and your family boy? That's up a big question. And my answer's definitely GonNa Start Broaden. Dial down which is that in almost every case. I can think of simple is better. I think we can try to over complicate this and we can try to get into like. I need to take a million supplements that I want to try all these devices. I WanNa do all this stuff but you have to nail the simple things I I've said so many times. You can't out supplement a bad diet. You can't exercise lack of sleep. You have to dial in really simple everyday. Things make those a habit. I especially with kids because kids were setting up their lifelong foundation for this were setting up their tastebuds in their ability to eat healthy foods their ability to sleep. Which is I think. One of the biggest keys and was one that was a long journey for me to optimize. So I always tell moms first of all. Don't compare yourself to other MOMS certainly. Don't compare yourself to me because I've been doing this for thirteen years. And if you saw me when I was starting you would laugh but take baby steps and don't stress and so on Osama dot com. I do a lot of small systems and easily repeatable and I encourage MOMS to implement one thing at a time because if you can do one day at a time and make it a consistent habit and do it for your whole life long term. That's going to have a much bigger effect than if you try to cold Turkey. Change everything in your entire life overnight. Do it for four days menu. Quit because you're overwhelmed and you're exhausted so I have a couple of the covers foods at. I know you have amazing cookbooks that I love and then I have the lifestyle detox book which really walks you through the process of the baby steps of everything in Your House and your personal care team all of that because it is it is a lot over time but if you focus on those simple baby steps and start with a really really easy stuff so if it's the food category get rid the worst offenders first to stop buying the things that you don't want to feed your kids anymore. I always say start with things like sugar and vegetable oils and refined ingredients. Get those out. I start with simple cleaning ingredients. They are now totally. Natural Bio degradable cleaners. That make their concentrating. They make cleaner for every part of your home so it doesn't have to be complicated. And in almost all cases that natural version is simpler in in just like in life the more you minimize less mental stress. You have the more you move towards natural alternatives less productivity in general. Are these natural turn. It gives Cheaper I know a lot of people are always going. I can't afford to you know D- do all this. I don't have a lot of money. What what have you found as a as a mother of six kids absolutely? The natural alternatives can almost always be cheaper. Especially if you're willing to put in a little bit of time and make some of them yourself so anybody's interested. I have recipes for pretty much every household product. You can always do go wellness Mama and whatever you're looking for laundry detergent etc and those recipes will come up And they are much. Cheaper THAN STORE. Bought alternatives plus. You're reducing acting which is awesome for the planet There's also things like there's a concentrate culprits basics which is totally natural biodegradable. And you can use it to make bathroom cleaner all purpose cleaner laundry. Soap dish soap. It makes everything and it safe enough to use on skin. I've used it as baby shampoo. It's that gentle and because you're buying one bottle of concentrate. It's way more ECO friendly. It's much cheaper so I think there's amazing things like that. That are developing that really. Do let us save money and switched to the natural alternatives. And then you don't have all these plastic bottles of things floating around your house because you don't need him though you're you know you're at the cutting edge wellness and technology any anything you see. That really gets your interest on the horizon or near horizon. The excited about I think the three ones that I've seen the most research coming out recently would be about fasting fasting mimicking diets. Which of course is not new. Every major religion has that in some form in every indigenous culture uses this in some form but really seeing the data on what it's doing and its impact on so many markers in health and I think like a lot of things we've talked about. It's a simpler approach is just not eating. It's not you have to do anything hard. I think also like I mentioned heart rate variability. It's huge. I think that's going to be an emerging area of research in ways that we can improve and one of my personal favorite ones again not new Finland. They've done this forever but the research is new is on on us and I know that you talked about a lot of benefits for heart health which you much qualified to explain but how regular sauna use can reduce blood pressure tied to cognitive function muscle recovery. Also think it's important to sweat every day and that's often from exercise but it can also be from Sauna and that just uses in body's natural detoxification pathways. I don't think we need to do any crazy detox cleanses. I think the body does naturally when you just support the body but I saw recently a study on Saunas inflammation that sauna use regular use which I think was four times a week or more Lowered reactive protein by thirty two percent. So I think we're going to keep seeing these studies that basically prove back to circle where we started the wisdom a lot of grandmothers new in the first place. Which is that if you sleep well and hydrate and eat healthy and sweat once in a while but like all of these are so good for us so I think I think we're just GONNA see a lot of really cool research backs up. Some time tested things forward. I'll add one more thing my My Wife's mother Required that everybody asleep with the window open even in the middle of winter in Connecticut. And to this day we always Sleep with the window open. I think your point is well taken. Our houses are toxic environments in there. So well insulated. Now that nothing ever gets out so Crack the window open near your bed and again listened to your grandmother. Great Grandmother they probably news There you go. So what so? What's the the Listener GonNa do? Are there things for instance in in household products or in skin care products that the you want a consumer to know if they're picking up and looking at something on the label are they're absolutely run high? Do not come near these products. How you talk about in food. It's almost always easier to say the good stuff versus like all the bad stuff to watch out for because as you probably know there's over eighty thousand chemicals that are found in these things and very few of them are tested. A lot of them are not approved in Europe but they're approved here so by category there's just a lot of different ones for instance a lot of cleaners have VOC's or chlorine or things that off gas into the home which we now know. Sometimes Indoor air could be up to a hundred times more polluted than outdoor air which is really scary. Because we're also not spending enough time outside anymore so we're inside breathing that all the time and so That's why it's it's almost always easier to choose the good one. Just get of all of the bad ones at one time. There's also things like tranquil Sam which has been in beauty products and cleaning products and and toothpaste. And it was used to be antibacterial But we're now finding can have reproductive neurological in all kinds of consequences and that they're saying statistically you don't even need an antibacterial substance. If you wash your hands was open water the right way it does the same big Objects does our kids to that I would actually go a step further and say we actually want our kids to develop a healthy by on their skin and in their guts. So I'm a big fan of sending my kids outside to play in the dirt dirty and I'm not sitting there sanitizing them. Every time they touched the dog or the dirt or anything certainly go to the bathroom. Wash your hands. But I'm not a Germaphobe when it comes to the rest of it because I think it is important interact with environment in a bacterial way and I think that antibacterial substances. I've come undone that for a lot of us Additionally a lot of household cleaners and beauty products for that matter have artificial fragrances. So there are ways to get national fragrances. That are safe But most of these compounds These products use harmful fragrances. Misses not just airfresheners but things like laundry detergent and dryer sheets if you smell your laundry detergent after your clothes have been washed. That's a special kind of yoke. See that is designed to stay set based Days in the clothing so that it smells good. But if you're wearing that you are both impaling it to chronic low level exposure in your lungs. It's also on your skin. Which is your biggest organ. So you have constant low level exposure on your skin. So you're getting that kind of a from a double perspective and I know that you probably are the best. I've ever heard explaining how food how it can lead to disease and how it can cause that low level chronic inflammation and. I think we also talk about what the deadly destructors. You have to be careful about your environment as well. Because those things can also really caused that chronic low level exposure that times Inflammation and all kinds of problems in the body And another one. I'm really careful about. We're going to talk about it in depth is plastic general. Because I think with kids. That's what we have to be so so careful about Because it is an endocrine disruptor especially pre puberty so for those of us with little kids. It's a really important thing to address. Not just even having plastic in the environment can be harmful but certainly plastic is touching food or your body and we don't think about the things like what are close anymore are made out of plastic chemicals and so again at the end of it. I always go back to go. Simpler have fewer articles of clothing shoes. Natural fibers have fewer cleaning products but choose natural ones. Have fewer beauty products? Use natural things like olive oil. Are you make your own or use natural cleaners instead of feel around new attributed her great just skin to Allah and that's all she ever put on her skin when I go to the giant beaches of their French beaches. I'm fascinated with a number of people who have a bottle wild on the beach and I should be drinking it. But they are also putting it on their skin it as absolutely some amazing properties. But I think your point is is is really important because our protective agencies like the FDA or our agriculture Number One As I've said many people said they are controlled by interests that have nothing to do with our health Big Pharma Big Medicine. A big agriculture. But I think the important thing is most of the testing of these compounds naively thought the minute amount of toxins in these compounds were so insignificant that you know you just. There's nothing that could be doing to you. But what no unanticipated was that these small amounts of hormone disruptors that are constantly applied than Warren every day or in the air that we breathe every day or that are wrapping our organic boneless chicken breasts with Phalanx for instance Have consequences on disrupting our hormones systems and you know. It wasn't into salamanders and frogs were being born with four is and five legs downstream from plants that were dumping legal amounts of these chemicals into the water and then all of a sudden we. Well we've got these you know crazy monster fish and mice Graham Vivian. How did that happen So we as you pointed out the the Europeans even the Canadians are so far ahead of us. And you mentioned BPA. And I think that's a really good point to me. Tell us about. Epa talk a lot about it as one of my favorite disruptors But talk about that. I am a huge proponent of getting rid of the plastics both from a personal perspective and environmental perspective. I think it's a really important thing and to your point that you just mentioned i. I find it ironic that so many of us will like people will take a Motrin just two hundred milligrams tiny pill and expected to take their pain away but in the league nor the potential that something. They're putting their body every single day in such a tiny amount could have an effect and I think as humans. It's easy to fall into that. I didn't notice it in immediate effect. Therefore it's fine or my parents did it and they survive so it's fine But I think for MOMS especially we're in an era of we have to take extreme personal responsibility in this. We can't wait like you said for the agencies to warn us that something's bad because as we've all seen on the commercials that's when you see the class action lawsuits when they finally realize it's bad it's too late often and we're the ones who are responsible for our choices in our families and like you mentioned. Vpn Is certainly one of those. A lot of people don't know that. Bpa used to be given to cows and chickens to make 'em gate before slaughter so that they could charge more for the meat so it's a known hormone disruptor in it mimics the effect of estrogen in the body. This is not just EPA. 'cause he will now say oh if it's free it's fine but you also want to look out for all the Avenues I think dozens. Now you WANNA watch out for all of them because they mimic the effect of those hormones in the body and as anybody who's ever struggle with P. C. O. S. or hormone issue knows. You don't want that. Estrogen progesterone denies Informa- balanced to get messed up too much. Estrogen can be really problematic and for guys. You certainly don't want too much estrogen because that leads to abdominal fat and all kinds of problems. You know reduction Thank you don't want And unfortunately with plastic. That's not even where it stops so you mentioned relates and like you said the European Union bandies Canada's very careful about these there especially considered harmful to men and boys because especially if they're in utero exposure because it can lead to from what I've read. Immune system impairment reduced Like I said fertility problems is one of the reasons these chemicals. They're saying why we're seeing much. Higher percentage of female amphibians end water animals because these are now getting into the water supply and the really scary part is that we now live in an environment where essentially our planet it's saturated with classic byproducts. They've now found plastic under thirty feet of ice in Antarctica which means the planet is saturated and largely. Doesn't seem to be getting any better. We're using trillions of plastic bags every year. Billions are made per minute. We are throwing plastic bottles. That's actually the most common waste after cigarette butts and the bad part is it just like It's easy to ignore. Once it's gone you know we think like. Oh we throw it away with recycled plastic takes so long to break down in either when it does. It's toxic so all these compounds are increasingly getting into our water supply. Some people have heard about micro-plastics and how those are now saturating our system basically every square mile of the ocean or what I read has about forty six thousand pieces of plastic floating on average. So we are. This is a time when it's not just about convenience. It's not just about us. I I think that removing plastics is the right thing to do certainly for our children's health. There's so much research backing up but also just as citizens of this world we have an obligation to really reduce our plastic use because we it's become a huge pet impending problem. Yeah you know the the Nanno plastic particle scare. There are plastic or fish that we need and there is plastic in us of Ano- come on wellness. Mama maybe you will be eating so much plastic and everything that we eat that you know. Our skin will be perfect. Because you know it'll be all plasticized. Hey thing just turn into a perfectly preserved piece of from the inside out ahead. I sent some marketing idea. We talk about this. You talk about this. I talk about this many of our colleagues talk about this. What about we talked about how everything is dangerous and it makes you wind roll up in a little in you know not in your head out anymore but you wanNA keep it simple? So what are some simple things? How do you get plastic bags out of your house? Yes that's a great question and like I said. I covered a lot in the wellness on the lifestyle detox. Really WanNa go deep on it but also when it comes to your right. It's so overwhelming Imitating when you try to tackle all of it and unfortunately I stress and guilt are also two of the more dangerous things. We can encounter. So I'm really big on finding an approach like I said. That is sustainable. That does not cause stress often say that worry wasted imagination. It's a Great Walt Disney quote So I don't think worrying about it in stressing about it is GonNa fix it. I think like I said make a plan and start small and implement As you go through in finished products don't replace them or replace them with better products. Don't expect it to look perfect overnight. N I'm really big on having systems in every aspect of daily life in the way came about this was kind of roundabout so a few years ago I was running the blog ahead of the kids and I try to do everything myself. I reached a point of extreme. Burn out and probably pretty close to a nervous breakdown and I actually came. Really close to deleting the block because I realized I couldn't keep juggling all these things and I certainly wasn't GonNa let my family fall through the cracks so the blog had to go but it also made me realize in that moment I was. The blog doesn't stress me out. Work doesn't stress me out. Why is that? Why am I always stressed at home but not at work and I realized that it work Iran? Everything by systems. Everybody knew the responsibilities when it needed to be done how it needed to be done. There were goals their objectives. They were measurable. We tracked important things at home. I was trying to manage eight people's lives in my head without systems and make sure ready God everywhere on time that all the meals were cooked all in my head so I basically applied my business system to my house and kind of created implemented those KPI's and those goals and objectives in every aspect of whole life realizing it wasn't the actual. Doing that was the stressful part. It was the having to remember to do all the things and I think this is a really big key especially for MOMS because a lot of times moms are the ones trying to manage everything and tried to in your head can eventually get really overwhelming and so I encourage moms to go through the different sectors of their life. Whether it be cleaning Neil Planning with the kids in create repeatable systems so that you take the remembering in the guesswork and a mental energy out of it and that lets you be able to implement much more effectively and without the stress so that might be just create a one week. One Week meal plan that meets all of your criteria. It's all the vegetables and then just repeat it until you get the hang of it that way that your shopping list is the same every single week. You know what you're cooking on. What Day do you have kids? Old Enough get them involved and let them help you so that your it's not all on you look but just create a one week no plan versus trying to think of. How am I gonNA eat healthy for the rest of my life? Do it when we get a time. When it comes to cleaning like I said as you run out of things replace it with those natural concentrates and then it takes. It's just so much simpler and takes the stress out and get your kids involved with that too especially when you switch to natural cleaners. There's no concerns about your kids touching it or using it to clean so you're able to involve them a lot more so I'm really big on create. The systems are different for everybody but in those different sectors of life whether it's food whether it's cleaning personal care and then just repeat them till they're often takes. Researchers shown in a new habit can take up to six weeks to establish a new abbot Mark Twain Admire in my book. I quoted Mark Twain Habits. Were Habits and not to be taken lightly. Rather than thrown out the window like bathwater they must be coaxed down the stairs. One step I and I think that was brilliant on his part to realize that you certainly figure that out as well the other thing Speaking of my of my I will. I found in my research that families in general end up eating about five different meals on a routine basis and that becomes kind of a set of N. It's really kind of fun. I actually urged families to look at. You will find that there are set things if there's five of them and you establish that pattern. It's so easy to say okay. Five things are set. I know how to do this. You can involve the kids. My grandchildren love to Cook my mother. Abby and the kitchen from day one and I'll never forget I told this story When my wife and I were dating many years ago we had our over at our house and my my mother cooked meal and I sat there and said I would've changed the spice. You should have done something like this and penny sick. I talk to you for a second on. We step down. What are you doing criticizing your mother like that? And I said you know we're not taking the menu and we do this all the time she learns I learned and we're we're both doing this together system. Oh is she said you know. I thought you were putting your mother down in front of me. Now is normal inner table conversation so I can't stress enough that you'll find that you will find family meals. Everybody eats and we'd love to experiment. Yeah I think that's a good point. I mentioned this in the book. The plan burdock family cookbook always give options and start with you know with one saying that everybody can agree on. Don't ninety five percent of the stuff doesn't have to leave your all immediately. Is that what you're finding absolutely? Yeah start with the positive in Bilden. Kids are so incredibly adaptable. I find that they adjust actually much quicker than adults usually at. I think you're right. I think most families do repeat those same few meals over and over so just find the good ones and repeat those It also prepared especially remember that. It's not just about changing our habits. Were building these lifelong habits for our kids. And of course we want them to enter adulthood knowing how to cook and knowing how to choose the best foods and also knowing how to take care of home and to do laundry and to like. These are all skills. We want to pass onto our kids. I think that's an excellent point My grandson WHO's now three. We have pictures of that. We posted on the Internet where he was given a play choice of Broccoli and I think some cut up or spare ribs and he kept pushing the port lay and grabbing the Broccoli at age one and a half and we keep thinking that kids come out of the box needing macaroni and cheese and chicken mcnuggets. And nobody told that to a little Japanese kid who thinks we'd is you know station thing in the world. It's what we provide them to try. And it's amazing. How flexible kids are if you give him the right stuff. Yeah not just provide them. I think it's also really huge. We have to be the example. Even more I think kids we have to educate certainly teach them teach them gently and explain why these foods are good for you but even more so be the example because they will do what we do way more than what we say. And I've always done that with food but this really hit home for me recently. I had always hoped I never thought I could sing. So I'd always hoped my kids WanNa take voice lessons so for years. I would gently suggest. You guys want to take voiceless than they didn't and then I realized I'm the one who wants to take lessons not my kids so I took voice lessons and now they're all interested in singing or like if I sit down and draw they all WanNa do art. So it's so much more what we do than what we say. If we make those mealtimes and healthy foods positive experience and make it focused on nourishing our bodies they. It got up so quickly in conclusion on Matt. Be The change. You wish to see in the world right absolutely okay. So what's next on the horizon You know I see you on the website you just have cutting edge L. Strategies and devices You like red light therapy or near infrared light therapy like dave respiratory or other bio Eckerson I I do. And it's part of my routine I will think so. What's next for me on the horizon? Is I decided that I wanted to tackle the biggest defenders for families of products that are in our home so I felt like there were a lot of natural products? And then there were these conventional products that worked really well and in certain categories. There were not that did boats and so I'm working on actually creating these products and making them available to families so we'll be watching with things toothpaste shampoo and conditioner. The things that families used over and over with the idea turning on the head the idea that we absorb a lot of what we put on our skin so not only. Is it going to be nothing toxic? We're GONNA put the good stuff in it so that you can absorb that a in contact with it but I think yeah I think I m fan of testing on all these cool like health devices but I do think at the end of the day. It's the simple things. It's the food to sleep. The movement the Sunshine Lack of stress in the community. That really are the biggest. Neil movers for our health. But I think it's fun to try these things. I'm personally experimenting also with Heart Rate Variability. I think that's going to be a thing. Seem more research on in. It's a fine metric to kind of play within CNN. It's correlated as jury could sleep better with one jeopardy and a lot of things Some working on playing with optimizing heart rate variability in using things like Saunas. Which I'm a huge fan of High intensity interval exercise in short amounts of fasting in certain forms. And so he's really personally geeking out on that right now all right so you know since. My latest book came out along. Jody Paradox are always been interested in having my guests Hell with longevity. So what's one thing? Listeners can do today to live a longer. Healthier one thing as touchdown the one thing I think the one that has made a huge difference for me that I wanted to pick one. That was easy and free and that could be the. I didn't want to give anybody something that costs money. And so for me. What I've noticed the biggest change even in my lab results and certainly in my sleep is to get outdoor light every day preferably in the morning and preferably while moving so in the first couple of hours of the day spending time outside and sometimes that's drinking a cup of tea with my kids out on the patio sometimes going for a walk were sprinting but getting outside in the Sunshine Natural Light which affects circadian rhythm which affects hormones. I've seen changes in cortisol levels and other hormones that I track and also in my sleep and think so if I had to pick one. That's the one that cascades into you're less likely to maybe have cravings reporter salt in the right range you're gonNA sleep better if you get sunshine during the day you're hopefully breathing while you're outside and get into fresh air and also slowing your breathing To me that this kind of my all encompassing really free simple tip. That makes a big difference. Add to that. Get a dog because the dog will get you outside they they will not allow you not to get them outside and turns out the families. Who Have Dogs? Interestingly enough of far less allergies and far less exa than families who don't have dogs and this all idea to have a hypoallergenic dog. Lamey dogs bringing wonderful microbiome. They track it in they give it to you and give it to your kids and I think and they pull you outside so don so Katie. It's been a pleasure talking to you today. You've kind of told listeners where they can find you but let's do one more time it's easy it's wellness Mama everywhere. So the main hub is wellness on DOT com. That's where all the recipes I mentioned live but any social media. I'm wellness Mama and books are all titled by Wellness. Mama as well so. If you search that you'll find album. Wow so just Wilma small. That's perfect okay. So that's all from countries podcast. We'll see you next week blue. Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Doctor Country. Podcast before you go. I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on itunes. Google play stitcher or wherever you get your podcast and if you WANNA watch each episode of the Doctor Country Podcast could always find me on youtube at Youtube Dot com slash Dr under. Because I'm Dr Country and I'm always looking out for you.

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Musician Randy Jackson Talks About His Health Transformation + How He Kept Weight Off Post Gastric Bypass

The Dr. Gundry Podcast

30:09 min | 1 year ago

Musician Randy Jackson Talks About His Health Transformation + How He Kept Weight Off Post Gastric Bypass

"Welcome to the doctor Gandhari podcast, the weekly podcast where Dr g gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life. Place this conversation took place on March sixth then may not reflect changes related to the COVID nineteen up right around the current events. Welcome to the doctor country podcast during this episode. I'm going to be speaking with the legendary Randy Jackson. Let's hear the applause. Everybody Randy toured with the iconic rock band journey. Don't stop believing. Produce some of the most successful records and music history written bestselling books and starred as one of the original judges of the TV hit, show American idol. In fact, we all know a very famous American idol winner Kelly. Kelly Clarkson who used my book the Plan Paradox to fix her autoimmune issue and lose weight, but back to my guess Randy Jackson after years of being overweight, Randy considers getting healthy to be one of his biggest accomplishments to date, and now he's paying it forward by helping others do the same so today. Randy and I are going to discuss his amazing journey. Health also show you how you can transform your health by making better choices every day, so randy welcome to the program and I really commend you for taking charge of your health. Dr. Drew, thank, you so much man listen. I'm a huge fan I. Know Kelly's a huge fan. Following you for a long time. I'm so happy to be doing cash on big Fan. Well. Thanks so much. Now like me. You struggled with your weight for years now. Why? Why did you think this was such? An issue for you did have anything to do with the way you were raised I. Think it had to do a lot whether. You know it was in sports all my life until I graduated college and you know. I just wasn't working out anymore on A. Very sedentary lifestyle and you know I grew up living there eating life in Louisiana. Everything's fried everything's Rotunda. Sugar ton of Bader everything is. To. Say and when you have a sedentary lifestyle, it just pounds on you then that problem compounds because you get heavier and you don't WanNa run. You saw people running on the Stream, and I would say to my friend. Those are the skinny people. It's easier for them to run. They don't care around the sector hundred fifty pounds. So you know it was a different thing for me so I ride. Ride the three fifty eight and had to make some jingles. Yeah, I know. What was it like for? You I mean being on television every single week and you know you're you're wade issues. Where obviously obvious? What was that like? You know it was really tough. Because I had low energy, it was hard to move around. Get around. I got tired off them and what really really happened to me as I? Was Sick to have the flu couldn't coach wind Thursday bill very lethargic for a long time I finally go to my documents. Let's run some tests. I was there the next day, but that night shooting terribly bad not wanted to emergency room. The doctor gave me one test and came back. That developed type two diabetes, so blood sugar was over five hundred I had to make some serious serious. Jenkins, so was that the wake-up call or could. Did you know this was coming? You just kind of said. You know you know I knew something was coming as as always say we, as man and a lot of other people especially men. Now we hate going to the dot with procrastinate reported off. You know something's going to happen from living this bad life eating like a like a racehorse and not working out, just driving yourself to all ends. You know something. Bats bound up so. I'm glad you brought that up by a saw. Patient yesterday a new patient who? Has All the markers e young man. As all the markers for type, two diabetes, high insulin levels and high blood, sugar and high hemoglobin, A. One C, and I'm explaining this to him, and he says well. How do I know that you know this is a bad thing? How do I know that you know bad? Things are going to happen to me. And I give him some of the statistics. Nieces well. Yeah, but you know that's probably not. GonNa Happen to me, so I lean into him, and I said so you just have to ask yourself do I feel lucky and. Luckily Clint Eastwood came through for me and it works. And I think that's a great point. You bring up I think most of US men. Basically say hey, that's not gonNA. Happen to me I'm the lucky one. Also doctors funding we're talking about this. Because one of the reasons that being a celebrity I wanted to voice my whole health concerns and everything is because exactly that you think it's going to happen to somebody else. It's Never GonNa Happen to somebody like me because people have this notion that all the stars have everything all checked all the boxes of cool. You're the most beauty volt. You and I are very beautiful. We have everything, and then we get this incurable disease, so if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone. That's part of the reason because people think that it doesn't happen to the stars. Yeah. You're so right and you I. Take Care of a lot of stars and most of them. You know I never say a word about. I'll give you a quick. Here! On. Now won't mention names, but I will tell you a story that really goes along with this, so I see a star who is a character actor. He's his character actor as a fairly pudgy individual, and for years I've been seeing him now for Oh, six seven years and he has a. Type two diabetes with high insulin levels, and he keeps telling me look I know. My career depends on me, being this kind of fat lovable guy and I said, but you don't understand you know bad. Things are going to happen with this I said well. Your chance of getting cancer is so much higher than you know a normal person and every I see him twice a year and every year. Say the same thing last year. He calls me out of the blue, and he says I just got diagnosed with prostate cancer. What do you think about that? And I, said. What do you mean what I think about it? I told you that this was going to get you. And here it is, he says yeah, you're right. You've been telling me that now. What do I do so? It's you're right we. We assume that we're going to be the lucky one and thank you for speaking out that you can have the most talent in the world you can be the greatest star in the world. You can be so good looking to have the best pair of glasses like you do. It is still gonNA happen if you don't pay attention. Yeah, that's that's the real truth about how you know. And by the way our could have been anyone, and there's so many bad things. Come attacked diabetes and listen to you these I have that, but it's not the only problem you can develop a series of other problems as you well know. You bet that's just kind the tip of the iceberg. Okay so back to you taking charge of your life now you decided to undergo gastric bypass surgery. And believe it or not in back in my older days I used to do gastric bypass surgery. So that's a big deal. It's gotten certainly better in in years, but what? What made you decide to take this leap and undergo the surgery? Because I needed something to really like. Wake me up. Almost shop me into the reality of what was ahead of me. So you know because I think you try the medications you try the oil you try whatever? The hell. What have been telling you for ten years. Lose somewhere in. Easier to manage your type two diabetes. and I looked at alternatives. My mother-in-law had the procedure done some years before she amazing, she turned to help around. Because you know when you're lighter, you WANNA work out. You just can't wait to jump up and run and do stuff when you have you like. I don't have the energy. This is going to hurt my body. So, I had done seventeen years ago by one of the originators of the certainly Dr Welby. and. You. Know I a look back ever since, but what happened for me though was. Once you get it and you drop a ton of weight. Real work really begins. How do I keep it off how I stay healthy I got his major massive surgery. To lose the way what am I going to do now? Half a more the people put it back on. Some people put on behalf of third about it just. I didn't want that to happen to me. Yeah you know you're absolutely right. I take care of a lot of patients who have had bypass surgery. Gastric bypass and in fact you're right Half the people actually regain all their way and most of them gain regain a significant amount of way, and that's how they end up in my office. So so it is not you know some people. I'm sure accused UAL. You took the easy way out. You had gastric bypass surgery. But you're right in less, you change even something as drastic. Gastric bypass isn't the cure all that people think it is. No, and it's not easy to four born and our surgery recovering longtime. This is serious, major surgery and How you going to go through that and the recovery of that, and then back on, no, not me. I'm. Not, going to happen so I. Changed my lifestyle completely change it, so that's what led me to wear him. Now because I had to make a serious like genes are seen people. I had to actually divorce food in Sordo. That's a good way of looking so okay. So, what did you stop eating and starting? Let's let's talk about stopping. What did you stop? Stop everything because after the backpacks surgery. You have the BASS for a couple of weeks you get out like you know broad so whatever whatever so gave me a chance to reset also to tests when I was allergic to? So because I got gluten intolerant, am I. You know what's going on dairy. What is happening, so I also did that test. Find out some things that didn't really jive with my system. And I started rebuilding one at a time, and as I say before this I try to die. I was Vegan for a long time ago. Vegetarian belong time I. was about PESCA -Tarian Mostly this high carb high neat I mean I tried all the diets. I tried pregnant women Jordan. I try all of them so I. Really had to really come up with my own thing. There was gonna work from me, and it said I gotta find some I can stick to. Define of ood education, so I went to nutrition, as are really studied hard to really understand effects on food in the body. So. We're their metal blocks that you had to overcome as well. Yes, because I'm used to eating fried foods listen in the South Louisiana if it ain't good taste good for you. Somebody would have big belly the board. You must be living good right now so. I mean you know having big belly you living life at highest, that's why Mardi Gras fat Tuesday as right and so one of the things that we now know actually about gastric bypass, which is actually exciting. Is that your gut? microbiome actually changes almost immediately following gastric bypass surgery, and that's actually one of the new exciting findings about that. Maybe this surgery isn't just all about stapling your stomach smaller or bypassing. Some of your intestines may be at the root of it. It's really changing your microbiome for the better. Part of the reason that I did. It is a lot of people that had type two diabetes diabetes. It helped to almost reverse it where they wouldn't have to be insulin-dependent naked. Take oral medication, so it really changes everything, so I thought to myself. Or Not GonNa. Do this and have to go back. And Redo it 'cause I. Know People Are Again Yep. Put More Weight back on. So! People give us one trick that you learn kind of before and after obviously you learn that probably the Louisiana Diet is not exactly the best diet on the world. It tastes good, but it's not good for you is drowned in and sugar and salt, but it's not good for it. I did learn that, but it tastes. To really divorce that and stop eating away that receding. When are still down there? Of course on Wall Street where most of the CARBS and really need. One one addition is that to me which is something I still close to my heart. You gotta find what's going to work for you. So there's no one-size-fits-all. Some people can be vegetarian and limited life. Some people can be begin very live. I needed I call myself a flex, a terrier I eat a little morsel of whatever I like whenever I wanted, eat it, but I'm not confined to one certain food groups because. The board. Will Cause you to say I'm starring starring I can eat a horse and you will try to. So the triggers that led me to wear. Was I son here in my brain? To retrain myself, and then someone turned me on to a couple of years ago. Something called a leaky gut with this guy named Dr. Gone through this cool, Doctor. And the rest is history. History so I started applying for game. Steigenga. Oh. We're going to have to have him on the podcast absolutely. Smart dog well, thank you very much Yeah, you know it is amazing. So much. We now know of our brains babysitter in seeking out certain foods is actually controlled by the microbes that live in our gut and the idea that these little one so creatures couldn't hijack your brain to give them what they want to eat. As you know, is so preposterous on the surface, but now you know with the microbiome project we know. Know, that in fact you know bad bugs can hijack your brain you this intelligent brain to give them what they want to send you messages. You don't know where they came from. Yeah, no, that's exactly right. You know they're they're. You're not making it up that you know. You want to eat of four bowls jumbo I. Finish it off with two cheesecakes. No one to two yeah. They don't call it. I. You know it's funny. I used to know chef. Paul predom- quite well. Yes, what a great job with a great great show and I used to! I'll tell you a quick story I walked indicate balls one one night and he was in the back. You just gotten over gall bladder surgery. And he is so huge that his wound didn't heal, and actually was wide open, and he's sitting in the back on his on his stool, and he says hey dot Chimera I gotta show you something so I saw her on over, and he pulls up his chef apron, and he says look this healing good, and it's. This is wide open incision from his gallbladder going. How many times would tell you? This is not working for you and you know. Sadly, you're right. He never overcame kind of the voices to keep feeding himself. so good for you for. Overcoming those voices? Let me, say something. Doctor you know is not easy. This is really difficult. It's really hard to retrain your eating habits. The ways that you grew up things you still love your parties. You're out events and I'm a very social person because I'm gonNA Social Business, so it's all I. Do is entertainment so all the time, so it really. Really. Get a grip on where you're going. I'm so glad you brought that up as well because. I see a number of young people with. Pre Diabetes type two. Diabetes, in their teenage years. And! I'm taking care of a young Hispanic woman in the Palm Springs area and I saw her a couple of weeks ago. And she's been doing great, but we are always find out while you know. Catch up and how they're doing. And she said I made a really big decision over the Christmas Holidays I. Want you to be proud of me I. So what you do, she said well. My my whole family goes back to Mexico to visit you know all the grandparents and the cousins and she said I didn't go and. And I said well, why not? She says because I knew that they would feed me the foods that have made me you know Thiab Attic and I wouldn't be able to resist it because they'd be forcing it on me. And she said it was just easier for me to stay home because I would have fallen right down that rabbit hole again and you know for a young woman. She's fifteen years old. To kind of have that knowledge that knowledge is power, and so it's amazing. So, you're right, You know you're constantly surrounded by these social pressures. and. Let's just talk about that for a second to Louisiana. Will you go? There's someone just sending me then all going to New Orleans for the first time. Everybody tells me for get my diet. Oh. Okay this is starting to be a bad thing. Man Like I. Get it. You know you're going to France. Forgive, deny the growing Italy the boss I get it, but don't quite get the night maybe. Morsels of you like you know the small portions. Yeah I think that's a really important point you can. You can sample things and not lose control, but so many people particularly early on in the process. Often you know one or two days of heading the wrong direction just opens the floodgates, and it's you actually can change the entire character of your gut microbiome. In three days of bad eating, you can go from a great set of bugs to a bad sort of bugs in three days that fast, and as you and I both know once those bad. Yeah, wants those bad bugs. Get in, you, man they. They hijacked your brain. Party inside you. And they're breaking furniture and throwing things through the windows. Pardon people. All right so. These are great tips. Through the years if you figured out anything else about maintaining. Normal weight well, I say the leaky gut which led me to unify helpless We've done with because now I know. It's something you've probably. Are you live? That's why you the great genius Dr By. Everything starts in the Gut. Ever. DISEA- everything. The Gut is everything. So healthy, God probably healthy life. So tell us about this new venture unify health labs. What what inspired you? To start this brand. You know people will ask me all the time. Dog You keeping the weight off. What are you doing? What's acronym and You know I I often say to them. From, doing that and everybody goes, will you taking while side thought about this for a while couple years rigged on. A. Maybe as you create something that takes the guesswork out of war Yuji. Because the average person's house doctor going to do this. You and I should make some house visits to people's houses just randomly announce and see the forty bottles of been sitting. There Downer and you? You don't know how much frequently probiotic. What to take. You as you eighteen trillion of this you know. Just I just think I wanted to take the guesswork out, so people are not really overdoing. Because I believe this also is too much. Yeah well, you know okay, I'm GONNA. Take you up on that, so you and I. We need to do a TV show where you and I knock on doors and go into people's houses and go into their kitchens and opened up the cabinets and. For to the doctor in the dawn doctor in the dog. Oh, I love it. We would have such fun. We all right all right, so get your connections. Going I'll do it with you. Okay, let's go man you're on, so what's next for you besides the doctor and dog? On discontinuing working I ever pregnant management actors. We got a couple of TV shows in development now you know we're just. We got products out were doing our being. We're just having fun. If, you're wondering Dr going a very young. Absolutely you know people talk about anti-aging. What people really should be focusing on is de aging and I for one not only believe it. I live it and you just have to look at pictures of me from ten years ago. I looked exactly or if not better than ten years ago, so you can be age. Let me. Ask you question. How did you? What do you mean? I'd tell my gut bugs to keep me. Haman on all eight cylinders, and again you know hippocrates. Medicine Twenty five hundred years ago, said all disease begins in the Gut I. Mean You talk about a smart? Guy Holy Cow. And he was absolutely right, and as I talked about in the longevity paradox. Aging begins and ends in the God and begins and ends in Leaky Gut, and if you John of a leaky gut, and you have great bacteria, and you practice things like time, restricted feeding like an exercise program will using I like high intensity interval training as part of my exercise program, you can actually stimulate stem cells to replace all of your important organs, including your brain and your heart, and so we you know we hear about stem cell therapy. These stem cells are extracted from people's fat, so we have plenty of stem cells. We just have to turn them on, and that's the secret. So again you can actually activate stem cells by intermittent fasting or time restricted feeding. You can actually activate stem cells by taking vitamin D. Vitamin D is one of the best ways activate stem cells there is you can activate stem cells by high intensity, interval, training, or training, so those are just a few quick recommendations, and if you follow my rules in the long Germany paradox, you know we say in our office. That one fifty is the new one hundred, so whoa I love that, so let's let's go you and I. You and I are race to one hundred and fifty. What do you say? And fifty. Let's go all right. I'm thirty now, so it's okay very good. Well I went to Tony Robbins Sixtieth Birthday Party last weekend and I challenged him that we're going to race to a hundred, but because he is who he is and can do wonders I've got a few years. Head start on him towards one hundred, so he has to catch me. Up Let's see if we can do it all right so I got I gotTa let you go I know you're busy. You're going to work on the doctor and the dog program as soon as we get off. This is a bit here i. feel it I feel it so where where can my listeners Find out all about you and all the great things you're doing. Where did they find you? Can find me online. Randy underscore Jackson no rhenium score Jackson. They can also log into the unify health. Information. The dog and the doctor, the doctor dog either way if you wanna top going, that's okay, but. I'll be a great show, and since you're going to produce that, you have top billing. SCOPE as well Oh. Yeah, there you go. User disorder where? I. Tell You what you send me some glasses. I'll send you a stethoscope. That'll be a deal. It's. All right now before I, let you go. We have an audience question that we always get asked so Roy Ludwig on Youtube Ass. When and how do you take your many supplements during the day especially when you're doing intermittent fasting? So actually Randy I'M GONNA turn that to you first so any recommendations on when take supplements. I usually do my innovating fast I. usually don't eat past eight. At night, so I usually do fascinating I, usually have breakfast around ten thirty. In 'cause I don't do it. I'll forget. It's interesting today. Yeah I, it's interesting I take my supplements. I take some of the morning and some at night and I've just gotten into a habit of doing that my wife. Would like to do it twice a day, but she almost always forgets the night time, and so I agree with you what I tell my patients is. Whatever regimen you devised to get them into. You is the regimen that will work and you know. My wife takes hers once a day like you do I. Take Mine twice a day. She's even younger and healthier than I am. Yeah, so that was a great question and Randy. That's a great answer so with that note, take your supplements. Everybody and we'll see you next week and stay tune for the dog and the Doctor Selo coming to a TV show near you, that's right. Thank you so much, take care. Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Doctor Country podcast before you go are just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on itunes Google play Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcast, and if you WANNA watch each episode of the Doctor Country Podcast. You can always find me on youtube at Youtube Dot. COM SLASH DR country because I'm Dr Country and I'm always looking out for you.

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#28: Game of Thrones, Kansas City Chiefs, Boston Celtics

You're Wrong... And Here's Why

1:02:00 hr | 2 years ago

#28: Game of Thrones, Kansas City Chiefs, Boston Celtics

"The following podcast is part of underdog sports podcast network for advertising formation or to find more. Great podcasts. Visit us at WWW. The underdog sports dot com and follow us on Twitter at real V underdog. Don't you? You'll lung India's. Dulcie? Like the time rabbit coven to adult care. What you think? The brand changed the Wendy's. Present. Welcome back to another episode of you're wrong. And here's why I'm Chris Wardell joined as always by the one the only Gregory crown, Greg. My friend was going on not much Chris good to be back. Great to be back, sir. And I mixed it up this week. I don't know if you noticed that or not usually I go Greg Cronin. And then Gregory in this. I'm only Gregory and that Greg. It's just it's chaos here. I mean, you're just trying to get me off guard early. I've I'm undefeated. So there's really no reason for me to fear. Anything it is that you're going to say or have to put you on tilt. But you know, I like to play mind games whenever possible. I can understand why you got to keep me guessing, I'm an excellent friend, Gregory this week for our listeners. We're gonna talk about why the Boston Celtics are going to beat the Milwaukee Bucks. Why game of thrones has actually been good this season? And why the Kansas City Chiefs are set to regress in a big way. And I want to get this out there on Front Street, sir. Two of these topics little timely, but I picked them for the show. We didn't do last week. That's true. But in one case, you got a lot of help in another. You didn't I would argue that there was a decent amount of help in in both of those situations. But that's okay. I will take whatever I can get to battle against you verbally RA. Gregory. We're going to talk about game of thrones. I'm excited about this one. I've been waiting with baited breath for God's seems like five years since the last season ended we're now three games in three games. Do this effort single time to three episodes in to this season of game of thrones? The last one being the battle of the living versus the battle of the dead. You tell me why the seasons actually been good, despite the fact that there's some complaints. Listen, everybody. Everybody needs to take a deep breath when it comes to game of thrones. And the instant reactions in everyone being upset I've have sat through three days of arguments about the disappointment of people and the unsatisfied feeling of those like your Zad in men in black. It's it's just. People need to take a take a step back and realize that to season is not over the battle didn't end it things can still be explained things can still happen. It's it's it's like we sit here, and we expect everything to be perfect. I really wish that we could go back and compare you know, what people's reactions were back in season two and back in season five and back in season seven when major major events happened and even at the end of season six like I need. I wish we had that same time capsule that we do with Twitter now where the reaction start flying. Text messages start flying people aren't happy. You know? It's it's weird to me. And I understand being dissatisfied with whatever whether it was not being able to see in parts of it people trying to figure out how aria Michael Jordan Space Jam the night king. But I'm going to be honest with you I've. Been nothing. But captivated by every second of game of thrones. Since the opening credits of episode one through the end of the credits in episode three. I thought everything's been done rather. Well, now, of course, there's questions that I have. But that's what thrones is about it creates and builds questions, and everybody's so focused on we only have so much time left who's there's only one point five hours of this episode, and you know, five point five hours left before last episode guys skies. This is how thrones worked it's how it worked way back when and it's how it's going to continue to work and not every question is going to be answer. That's just how TV is will look that may be the case, but I was looking at pavonis sportsbook earlier, and I want to ask you a question that can certainly be answered right now, they have some game of thrones prop bets that we have been talking about for weeks on various shows in this network. I'm going to ask you this one will Jon snow survived the final season Bevanda. Has. Yes at minus one sixty five and no at plus one twenty-five, what do you think's gonna happen? I don't think he survives. I don't think he makes it out and for a couple of different reasons. I think that what this what this whole season has already started to build up is this change in Danny, and Danny sort of really sort of losing a grip on everything. And yeah, she has that news that John's actually, hey, that's your that's your nephew that is United who you had sex with. Well. Yeah. Slight incest. That's. That that could be the tagline of game of thrones. Yeah. Exactly. But there's there's you can see her character turning and now after the last episode, she's lost basically, everything everything in her world is essentially gone, but John, and I think that's gonna drive for towards her head ancestry. And I think we see a sort of a major turn in her that causes one of those twist endings. Or twist moves nobody ever saw coming. I think that's what I think. That's what comes of it. And that's why I think John is is going to be one that parishes. You talk about everything that Danny has lost. Let's talk about something that maybe Danny could gain again over it Bavadra. They've got the the question will denarius give birth during the final season presumably to to John's kid, and they have yes at plus one seventy and minus and no at minus two fifty vodka. Yeah. It's a no that's a no from me. I don't see it happening. I could see them confirming. A pregnancy. It's so say, and that's that's another thing with with thrones. In general is we had such a long lay-off. We had nineteen or twenty months, whatever it is. I didn't have a kid the last time game here before this season. That's how long it's been. So so it's to me. There's all that hype. That's built in. There's theories you could you could spend months on read it and still not finish all the theories and people get these ideas build up in their head of this is what's gonna happen. I'm going to see the Nike in the night. King do a dance in the king's landing while everybody else's messing around and she's going to blow sir c and everybody else up. And then when it doesn't happen. Everybody gets upset and whatnot. But I don't think that I don't think that they're going to go all the way into John. And Danny if they are the ones that get to the end. You know lording couple. I don't think that they're going to get all the way into her giving birth to a son or daughter, whatever it is. I think they may reveal that she's pregnant, but I don't think it goes that far. I think you're right that John probably doesn't make it. It's going to be difficult to have the two of them coexisting, given everything we know and giving how power-hungry Danny is become I don't think John Kerry's nearly as much so I think I think he probably has to go out in the low heroes death. Unlike what happened in the last episode where he was just kind of hanging around as the night king almost killed brand. I mean, it wasn't exactly hanging around. He was trying to get away from the ice dragon. That was set up to protect the Nike find a way to get him. First of all, we don't know that that was was set up anywhere. It was just they were in the same place the same time. He there was no the night kings like, hey guard this area. So that no one may pass. I know gives you. Because he didn't talk. Did you not like that that I didn't have any lines? I was furious. We've got no character development from the night, Kim. Oh my God. This is just this is the this is the stuff that I've dealt with all week from different people. It's it's the character development of the night king. They told you multiple times that all he wants is that endless night. Dude. Just wants to coast be able to walk around in the cold chill with those long white-haired dudes and just hang out while nothing else exists just just chill in a world of nothingness. I can piece people sitting around and complaining that he didn't have any like talking points with like meetings with Johnson. What do you think him and John are going to sit down and have coffee like I don't understand this. Are you being serious people are complaining about this? Yes. Yeah. Think that's absurd. Yeah. Oh, he didn't have any back room dealings like he's like he's trying to get a Bill passed in congress is. Yeah. There is. Yes. The Senator from the great state of west rose would like to floor for a moment. Yeah. Okay. A couple more things I wanna hit on because they tie into where we're going with this seasonal game of thrones. And that inevitably is going to speak to house at his factory and ending. It is let's talk about the clip gain bowl. We know it's coming and also because of that, I guess I had some issue with the placement of episode three as well. Because it affectively made some some characters on Killa bowl. We knew that people had had threads tile. And some people were just never going to die. I mean, we never even obviously we didn't see the mountain, but we knew the hound couldn't we knew Jamie wasn't going to die. We we knew a lot of these characters weren't gonna die because there's stuff left for them. Do who wins the KLA gain Nevada has has the hound minus two thirty and the mountain plus two hundred also both dire destroyed plus twenty five both go down. But to go down is the bet I think. Hound gets the upper hand just because that's the redemption ark for the hound and finally him getting his revenge on his on his older, brother. And then once you know, once that all gets to a certain point his injuries or too much, and he succumbs to them. But that's another thing you said though, about about people not being able to die. I don't necessarily think that's true in all cases, in some cases. Sure. But the hound and the gain bowl was actually one of them. The gain bowl was something that's essentially just a theory for kogo. We know that's going to happen. Okay. And we'll where we don't get that. Satisfaction. Right. So so on one hand, we know that's going to happen. But we're we're upset that Ari killed the night king so quickly when she's trained for seven years or seven seasons of the show to become the ultimate fighter the ultimate weapon. The ultimate assassin faceless man, all those seasons where I had to watch her sweep like I don't I don't have any problem with that p pick and choose may not. But other people certainly do other people get upset about these things. And it's it's weird to me that you want to gain bowl. So Ben you've seen a coming for all these years, and you want it you want it you want it. Put your mad when they deliver on something they hinted at in episode like too. Yeah. The people who are mad about aria killing the night. King are the people who don't understand how narrative works. Well, Chris you can't tell anybody. They don't understand. Because what they do is. They tell you that they're not as good as watching. They're not as good at watching TV as you are. That's that's what they do. Because they think you're insulting them. Well, I am kind of insulting them because they don't understand logic. They don't understand that things that things that happen have a purpose in television shows, it's not just for entertainment value. And that's it. If if you're seeing something happened, there's probably a reason it's happening. And we had to like you said watch four seasons of aria become this super assassin for this moment. And what it was all the ending up to. I have no problem with it. You know, we saw that move teased in her little battle with brand of tar earlier. That's fine. It is what it is. I think a lot of people thought it was going to be John snow. I certainly have no problem with it being oria given how it played out. But I think actually makes it better that it wasn't John snow. I have no problem with that. But now that aria has sort of served her purpose there. I get to our next question and Bavadra asks which stark is going to die. I aria minus one oh five brand plus one seventy five or Sandra. Plus two hundred. Who? Man because there's so many again theories and things like that that surround aria and potential face stealing in potential list finishing. I don't I don't want to say it because I know this person such a beloved character while for some some people think that she doesn't do anything. I think that saunas the play in that situation. I don't I think that I think that that's one of those Danny's power hungry. We saw how their last conversation ended. It didn't end. Well, I think that that could be something that that the comes down that the hand of the mother of dragons the problem with that. So I think that creates a time line where Jon snow could end up rolling west rose because let's say that Danny does decide that she and sounds can't coexist, and she has killed John finds out, and then all of a sudden he goes hunting his aunt leaving John is the logical choice to roll west rose, and they actually the rightful choices. Well, which is convenient. Let's talk about that Bavadra asks who will rule west rose at the end of season eight, and there there are a lot as you would imagine. There are a lot of options here. John snow now the favorite at plus one fifty science number two plus four fifty brand at plus five hundred Danny plus five hundred this one's fascinating. Because at least a lot of other stuff Gandhari at plus seven fifty Tyrian plus eight fifty and then we get to some crazy stuff like John Danny's baby plus twelve hundred aria plus fourteen hundred I like going all the way down and just trying to come up with what scenarios would have to play out in order for. Let's say Gilly or the mountain who both sit at plus fifty thousand to rule west rose when this thing is all said and done, I don't even know Gili Gili. The smart is the smartest person on the show. Apparently. According to I mean, she's the one that figured out all the stuff with John and Danny being related. She read all them books. Sam. Yeah. Peculiar was the one that gave Sam the info SAM's, just fronting like, he's the one that figured it out Gilly had that info. I okay. It's it happened on the show. I'm not making that up. I believe you. I just I don't remember it. I believe it's been a very long time. I intended to rewatch a season six and seven and I started at heart home in season five and I watched one episode before the season started. So I did get there. If you do anything other than watch game of thrones. It will literally take you forever to get to like current present day. You know what I mean? There's just too many other things to do to many other things on especially if you watch sports it's nearly impossible or you wanna stay up till three in the morning every night, which sure. I don't know. But I think it being so wide open is what makes these next three episodes that much more captivating. It makes you really have to like pay attention and see because it could it could honestly go anywhere. And it may go cookie cutter John wins. He's plus one fifty vodka. It's you know. It's just that's that's what we that's what we're doing. We're just John's the king. It's the hero work. It's all that. Or you end up with Jamie taking that spot like that. That's a possibility he takes Hersi down after she wins. It's there's so many different aspects of the show, which is why I don't understand such dissatisfaction with with some of these episodes. And if we're gonna head out with Jamie. Where's your because I think I I know there's a lot of talk about who's gonna kill Saraswati. I do think it's probably Jamie. But then I think he probably dies after that is where my head's there's there's so many ways to interpret that prophecy. Yeah. It could be tearing could be Jamie because he's technically younger if she is pregnant that could be a son that like there's there's just there's two there's so many things with Jamie. I think he's now the ultimate wildcard. I mean, his his stance for the last four episodes going back to the end of last season has basically been this fight isn't about west throats anymore. It's about the living verse the dead right on. Yeah. So why are we going back to who's banner? You stand four or we going to, you know, take out the last person that is it on our team. So it's really gonna be interesting. I think I think he is the guy that does end up going down in the long run. And I think it I think it's gonna come down after he takes Hersi out. Okay. I love okay. I had a real problem with some things in this episode one. Like, you mentioned the it was the cinematography was garbage. I understand what they were going for. They're trying to make it seem as realistic as possible they were trying they they say they try to light with candles whenever possible. But it's just it was almost unwatchable at times, you just couldn't tell what was going on. I thought that was really cool as a narrative decision when we were waiting for the battle of the start. And we didn't know where that army is the dead was how close they were what was going on added tension and added trauma. But after that they needed to get over it. And it just it just a I wanted to make a reference it would spoil avenger. So I'm not going to do that. But it would. You need to be able to see what's going on in a battle to be engaged in it. You know, it's it's difficult to be paying attention. And be like who was that? Was that good guy was a bad guy? No, no. That was that was a nameless foot soldier because for as interesting as fun. As that episode was it was really seventy-five percent. Just random person killing random person who you have no ties to but with what game of thrones has done throughout all this time deaths always really meant something whether it was you know, Ned in season one whether it was the red wedding. Whether it was the cold open of aria killing all of Walter phrase family, like like, the deaths of major characters have always been super important Joffrey. Like they've always carried around. So to have a bunch of people just die in battle for the sake of. Well, we need to kill a main character in this episode like it's tough for me to be that upset with how that. Played out when it comes from character development. I've said it there's no stakes if people don't die. Sure people did die. I mean, you lost that dude from we we lost. We lost. Nobody who played any real role in the show. We lost leanna ensure a Mormon look both great characters both completely unnecessary at this point. We lost Barrick we lost Dion because Dion had his his arc completed. And it was time for him to go with one of the most awful, awful battle strategies, wasn't great after the Nike take, you know, take take take sidestep theon figure something out. It wasn't. It wasn't great. He didn't think that out. But at least at least it was a Nike that goddamn instead of his uncle you're on. I I don't know. I just I was I was under wellness by that. But I think my biggest problem with the episode was that this is this thing that we've been teasing since you know, since episode one of the show, we've been teasing. How how? How big a force and how dominant and scary and terrifying force the the the white walkers were and for it to all resolve itself. In one episode of television felt cheap to me in a way. And I also I also really wonder about what's going on with brand because I'd be interested to get your take on this, should I don't I don't think the brand story line is even even nearly anywhere close to over. I I think there's a decent chance brand might be evil. It's certainly a possibility and I'll circle back, and then I'll come back through to the brand guy. Home to me, you couldn't carry this over. I mean, you could have if it was a sixty minute episode because there was a perfect ending point to that episode. And then it had to keep going because we have six episodes in these are in our, you know, what I mean part of that I think is from a television standpoint. But there's also, you know, none of their battles have lasted over several episodes. I mean, if you think about blackwater if you think about hard home if you think about. About all the best. Yes. It's all been. It's all been in one episode pieces. Now, again, this is not a flawless episode. There's no doubt about it. And I think with this being sort of that penultimate data will because you knew, sir. She and the golden company and those guys are going to get involved. Could it have been something a little bit more? Sure, I completely will concede that factors. No doubt about it. But to me, I don't think you could keep the night king pass this episode because of the length that this episode was and you have to move on from this storyline to try and get towards the wrap up of the series itself with brand I'm not sure what's going on with this dude leg, I really honestly don't know. Like, I don't know if he's good or evil, or if he's just neutral, if he's just there to be the record keeper of the universe, and you know, like he's out and about the O G, three eyed raven hung out in the tree or. Cave member. He just kind of chilled like in there without real purpose and was hiding from the night king for what reason I'm not really sure outside of the fact that they said that he wants to be he wants to kill him because it'll erase the memories of other stuff, which is fine. But I think I think this episode would have really hit home a lot differently. If right at the point where the night king steps up and looks at brand and we got credits. I mean, it would have been insanity for what would go on on this entire week leading up to episode four. That's what I'm saying that perfect opportunity when the night king crosses the threshold and walking up to brand and boom credits. Yeah. Oh, I thought it was coming because I look at my phone a look at the clock. I don't look at anything when the show's on all my lights are turned off. It's just me and my wife, basically sitting here with a TV way too loud on when you have a child. Sleeping. And like I just the whole episode every episode for last this whole season. I've just sat there going. Oh, that's where the credits are gonna roll. That credits are gonna roll. Oh, wait. It's only nine forty. Nevermind credits aren't gonna roll yet. Never mind darn cool. But that would have been that would have been an ending. That would have really I think satisfied sort of everybody across the board. Kind of an outside of the cinematography stuff and people dying. But like to put a cliffhanger like that out there. And then see what happens at the beginning of next week with something it feels that was my biggest issue is it felt like it wrapped up to easily. If felt like it wasn't substantial enough for something that we've been building to for what nine years. Sure, we've we've wrapped this up in eighty two minutes. No way. Even if they would've wrapped it up early in episode four, and we just started to started to move onto the next thing than it would have felt more substantial but to wrap it up in one episode. I don't like it. I like it. And then I think brand is a bad guy. And I think it's stupid to have a brand and Brown. I think that's stupid to the patient and the hype that I think the show is never going to meet for everyone, and you sort of have to take a step back and kind of realize that when when you when you watch any show when you watch show like. Like loss like that was going that show was solved in season one. And yet people still watched and people still talked about it. And we got the season six or whatever. And hey, we already knew the answer. And they just didn't tell us and pretend it wasn't the answer. Right. Not only did not tell us. They actively lied to us about like, the that's that's the part where it's hard. And I also think that I mean, I'm not a superhero movie guy. Have I think I've seen two of the now Twenty-two marvel cinematic universe movies? And it's. I just like I think that the same weekend as arguably the biggest movie ever comes out with them. Sure epic battle scenes and epic. You know situations and the culmination of eleven years of movies ending the same week as arguably the most hyped television battle of all time one being significantly better from what I hear to this one. I think that really hurts it as well a lot. I'm sure those universes crossover at some point. Sure, there's plenty of people that watch both. And I can imagine the people that were so blown away by the vendors were very disheartened by what we saw Sunday, I had major ventures problems too. But that's another conversation for another time. I'll how dare you cry. What was it was great for the I thought it was fantastic for the record. And I'm not gonna say anything of consequence here because you'll end up. Shady Alexa, and I were walking around Home Depot yesterday like just running some errands, and we were talking about Smith. Venture stuff as we walked in. And I was like I don't want to stop talking about this now because I would be so angry. If I was out of I was at Home Depot, and I hadn't gotten the chance to see the movie yet and just some random person gave away a plot point as I was at Home Depot. And she thought it was crazy, but it's perfectly reasonable. Yeah. See like, I don't want to. So I will not I will not make any reference to anything to give anything away. I thought it was a fantastic movie not without its falls. But the last thing I want to talk about a with this game of thrones thing before we move onto our next segment here is Genry because obviously has not been very big character up until this point. He he's had an interesting season. So far with one of the more uncomfortable scenes that I've ever seen on game of thrones. Which is insane. Yeah. It was just consenting adults. The situation is somehow more skeeve skeeving than brother and sister. Do you disagree? No. No, no. I totally agree. I'm I'm not here for aria being involved in a dull relationships. No. I'm here for killing the night king. I'm definitely not here for the other stuff. Yeah. I know maisy Williams is like twenty two or whatever. But she's forever twelve she Arias forever twelve. So it's just it's not. Okay. But whatever God bless, it's they all thought they were going to die. So be it. But let's talk about Gandhari will Gandhari be confirmed as the son of, sir. Sea lions ter- Bethesda has yes at plus three hundred no at modest five hundred confirmed is the son of, sir. See, yes. This is the big plot point here. This is the big theory that he is sir sees illegitimate child or Robert's illegitimate child. Now fused will this asks will be confirmed as the son of, sir? Sea lions ter-. Well. No. But but I do think I do think that it's all going to eventually come out. I mean, he already spilled the beans to aria he told her who is other people. I'm sure half to are going to be able to figure this out. I mean, it's. He seems so insignificant like as far as time on screen throughout the series that for him to somehow emerge is the number one guy and end the series in one big Barath, Ian time as a flat circle situation. I I find it really hard for that to actually happen. I would actually see this news coming out and either either Jamie or. Jamie were Danny taking him right off the right off the earth as quickly as possible, you think Jamie's in the killing people like just killing in this criminally business anymore. I feel like Jamie's kind of moved onto the I'm kind of hero again business. He wildcard. Now. He's he is wildcard. Because now again, we kind of touched on earlier. It's it's we're back to whose side is he really on. You know, there's no more evil demon. It's now are you a Lancaster or do you not really want to be a Lancaster anymore because she's crazy and blew up her entire city. And you know, it's that's tough. That's tough. Yes. Tough. That's why that's why people who are talking of of thrones demise. After these first three episodes. It's impossible for me to see that. Because like there's there's still so many different twists and turns and things that can happen in surprises. Like, it can all still happen. Well, it's crazy. Let's say this three weeks from now we will reconvene and we will talk about whether or not season the final season of game of thrones was a letdown. That's why thank you for your enthusiasm. No on it. Chris obviously, we just did. Like, I don't know fifteen minutes on it or probably longer longer than that five minutes. Yeah. We're gonna take a break. We'll be right back. Hey, guys. It's Chris here. And I'm going to tell you that anyone who knows me knows. 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Download Under Armour's map, my run and my fitness pal in the apple app store or Google play store and take control of your goals today. All right, Gregory, we're back, and we're going to talk about the Kansas City Chiefs, y I believe they are set to regress in a big big big big big big way. I added three more bigs since I first came up with this topic a couple of weeks ago, and I don't know how much I have to sell this at this point. I really don't I just I think I've already won. I am that confident in this here. Let me talk to you about the worst bet you can possibly make over it Bevanda. They have not updated the odds, and guess what the Kansas City Chiefs still number two at plus three seventy five now the patriots plus three hundred the Browns plus six hundred that might be a little premature. But but. This. I would not touch this. Chiefs bet you know, with a seventy five foot pole as it were this team is a flat out disaster at this point, just an absolute and utter disaster. First of all they weren't the same team after they lost Kareem hunt last season despite getting some decent running back play at the end of the year. Now this tyreek hill office hitting. And there's talk about is the NFL about put him on the Commissioner's exempt list is this is he going to be facing a lengthy in maybe forever suspension. Yeah. Probably and without hill. N hunt. This chiefs team ain't so good, my friend. It certainly wouldn't surprise me. If we never saw to Rico in a. NFL uniform again. Uniform per well, put it put it also wouldn't surprise me. If we saw Terry kill in an NFL uniform again, it's such it's such it's so tough. Because as soon as I heard, those tapes that came out it was like, yeah. This guy shouldn't be allowed to play ever. Again. You just shouldn't like there's the things that you're talking about doing the way you're speaking to people. It's it's it's just not you don't deserve like playing football, professionally as it's not a right? It's a privilege. You know what I mean? And it's tough for me to ever think that that team could could stand by and have that guy celebrated touchdown for them and knowing what he's done. Now, he also has a history of situations like this going back to college which led to him fall in the draft. You know, what I mean and getting kicked out of this college? It's not the first time somebody's look the other way in a situation like this. I think this is much worse. And I think this is on a much. Larger scale because he has been such a there's been such a star put on him after the season that he had this year. I all that aside. Okay. If their offense is toast with those two weapons still have the reigning MVP. You still have a guy who's atop one eight one be tight end in the league and Travis Kelsey, Damian Williams showed flashes of brilliance that Jeeves sorting jodel your lashes of adequate s- the chiefs aren't exactly a franchise that has has not been able to build running backs. I mean, priest Holmes Larry Johnson Jamaal Charles. The guy. We just talked about Kareem hunt Spencer way or west. Okay. It was over when you when you got to Spencer where let's just address those guys that have put up numbers inch Eve's uniforms. I'm not saying they're hall of famers. But they're guys will have adequately produced in the uniform. The defense has improved. You're talking about, you know, Tyron Matthew. He's now on their KENDALL fuller still there from the trade last year for Alex Smith, you added Frank Clark in the trade from the from the Seahawks this year. I mean, the defense was their biggest problem. And now, I think it's going to have to be their strong suit moving forward until they can figure out who's gonna fill the big roles and the big holes that are left by Kareem, hunt and tyreek hill. Yeah. You talk about Spencer ware, and he probably the starting running back right now his his big season in two thousand sixteen. Nine hundred twenty one yards and three touchdowns. He I was. That was his big season. He would be the starting running back except for the part where he signed with the colts last week or yesterday. Look I remain undefeated ESPN, but -solutely. Absolutely took took a loss here, Damian Williams. They brought in Carlos Hyde. Carlos Hyde has been a serviceable NFL back. You certainly stop at Carlos Hyde stinks. I had to watch him play for the Browns list, your Carlos, Hyde stinks at this point. I mean, he was be pretty good on my fantasy team for the Browns last year until he got traded the Jacksonville. If you if you actually watch the game. So there's a reason he got traded. So Nick shelter play. No. And that's that's probably the case. It's at least another body back there who they can work within Andy Reed's, a heavy pass happy guy. Anyway, we've we sat through that for years. And yeah, that's a problem at this point. That is a legitimate significant giant problem at this point if he wants to be a passing team, you know, you're talking about DeMarcus Robinson and Sammy Watkins or the starting receivers you just drafted Nicole hardman in the second round. And so you're counting on a super raw former defensive back from Georgia to me that I wouldn't Sammie Coates who another guy who you stunk for the Browns last year. Come will. No, this is Sammy Watkins is going to get hurt because Sammy Watkins always gets hurt. And then it's Travis Kelsey and a bunch of guys. I mean to think that the chiefs who went twelve and four last year it went to the AFC championship game. We're not. Potentially going to take a step back. I don't think it's necessarily leap. But I also have to look at the rest of the league around them what they've done and the schedule going forward for what they're going to look like I mean, you talk about them opening the season with the Jaguars. What are the Jaguars looked like going into this year Nicklas baby? Yeah. Sure, we saw we saw what happens with Nick foles when he when he leaves the city of Philadelphia. That's not pretty I love you, Nick. But that's it's tough. Then you go. Then you talk about the raiders ravens shore. That's a tough game. But Lamar Jackson is a solvable puzzle. At least that's what I've been told by you specifically. Yeah, we haven't seen that yet. I agree that that's true. But we haven't seen the league adjust to him yet. I would certainly think that it's going to becoming but we have not seen again, if we're talking about the west is there a better bet in anywhere in any sports puck, then Bevanda having the charge. Plus two hundred to win this division because it seems like a virtual certainty to me. Yeah. That's a real. That's for them to still be that high with all the news that's gone down with the chiefs and their offense. And the raiders are going to jump from four win team to a team that is all of a sudden division winter in Denver such a question with flacco now under center, I don't see how I don't see how you couldn't lay money on the chargers to win that division. No. They should walk away with this division, especially if tyreek hill is out. It's oh my God. Just an absolute Nodar mess for the semi you talked about let's talk about these acquisitions strong defense that you think is going to lead the chiefs to being I said they had to not they would a thin. Are you conceding the victory? I am not. That's what I'm hearing. But they made the trade for Frank Clark. How badly do. These guys have to be burned for them to learn that the oven is hot Frank clerk is another guy with major off the field issues. And after everything that's going on with them with Marcus Peters with with cream hunt with tyreek hill, maybe bring in some character guys today. Many vast to have that guy that that that unfortunately, took his own life in their parking lot. That sounds familiar but several years back in previous coaching regime, but it definitely I'm almost ninety nine percent. Sure that was a chiefs player. And okay. So I'm looking for that. But they bring in Frank Clark. They lose D Ford, and Justin Houston, you know, this is this is a disaster. Like, I don't know that they're better defensively, Honey badgers, and nice addition. But yeah, here you go. Jovan Belcher was the gentleman's was on December good call back, by the way, December second two thousand twelve Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher fatally shot his girlfriend on Saturday. Then drove to aero had stadium and committed suicide in front of his coach and general manager Jesus Christ. That's rough one that was that. Who was the coach still? It was Andy at that point. No, it was Romeo for now. No, yeah. Oh my God. How can you? Imagine the situation. Belcher Belcher thank general manager, Scott Paoli and coach Romeo Cornell before shooting himself in the parking lot of the teams facility. I don't think that's something. You forget that's tough one. No. You you take some personal time after that happens. Yeah. Yeah. This I just don't see any way that these guys are coming up. I love I love I love the patriots at plus three hundred Fodda to get out of the sea. I don't know. Do you think let's look what the Browns here is plus six hundred too high for them right now. Yes. Yes. Win a division. Make the playoffs. Do something that isn't go seven and nine or worse every year. It's unreal. It's unreal. The hype that that's coming from the Browns fans every person in the national media that that doesn't learn from you talked about a franchise learning from their mistakes with with stuff, the national media just does not learn from the stakes with the hype that surrounds, you know, all these teams that make these flashy acquisitions Odell Beckham is going to make a huge difference. I RAB -solutely agree with that. I also think Nick Chubb is going to take a big step forward. Baker sophomore season sophomore seasons always questionable with quarterbacks. I'm not saying it's going to affect them. But it's been a pattern. And that has the sophomore slump is something for a reason. It's to me to automatically make the Browns who when's the last time they won their division. I honestly do not remember Gregory. It's a minute. So let me ask you this on Bevanda. They have the Browns over under one total at at nine and. Okay. You like the the modest one thirty on the under there. Yeah. It's it's hard. It's hard for me to envision a world where all of a sudden the first year head coach a second year quarterback, basically, a completely rebuilt and revamped offense and team all of a sudden becomes like the darling and best team in the in the AFC or even the second or third best team. I see I could see the Browns going nine and seven and making the playoffs. And whenever you push you push that that number on Bevanda. But, but I I it's it's hard for me to think that they're gonna they're gonna make such a giant leap to wear their winning the AFC north and running away with it. What do you think of the chiefs number is the chiefs number is ten and a half. I think that if you can still get that right now make your way to Bevanda and bet that under. Yeah. That that feels pretty safe to me. This. I. We talked about this topic coming up prior to some of the news. That's happening. It makes it a lot harder to take this to take a stance. But from a money from a value aspect you have to jump on that under. I think I tricked you into agreeing that, I'm right? You may have. But but to me, it's hard. It's hard to it's hard to count out Patrick Mahomes last year was his sophomore season seconds. First season. Starting a second year in the league. He's been around the NFL he performed at the highest level, you could he was the NFL NFL MVP. He is on the cover of Madden. So nothing could ever go wrong. Nothing. I think I think that he I think that his play they're only gonna go as far as he can get them there. And if he can throw guys open and get the ball in the tightest windows and have that sort of season again like he did last year. I don't know if it necessarily matters who he's throwing to. I think it definitely matters. So he's turned to this day. They have to get open catcher football there. One d Ford offsides penalty away from playing for the Super Bowl against the Rams. Yeah. Home added cost. They had tyreek hill. Sure, I I'm not denying. The tyreek hill is is a major factor in that offense. And he got guys open. And I'm sure you know, him being able to outrun basically anybody else in the NFL didn't make a difference. It certainly did. But I also think that if you if you have the playmaking ability that Mahomes clearly showed even when he wasn't throwing them to tyreek kill it's something that you don't just lose overnight. Just because some of the pieces change, I think what's interesting here is to relate this back to what you said about the Browns and Odell Beckham junior. Odell Beckham junior is going to be great for the Browns. And not only is he going to be great personally. But having a superstar on your offense changes things for every other player on your offense. It makes things easier for them, you know, because Odell there things are going to be better fringe Oku for especially for Jarvis Landry who can now. Go back to being the best slot receiver in the NFL instead of. To play on the outside. It's going to make things easier for Nick Chubb who was facing eight and seven and eight man boxes more than any other running back in the NFL last year. They you can't do that without Dell on the team taking tyreek hill off of that Kansas City team is going to close the field and make it smaller for Kelsey and make it smaller for Damian Harris, Damian Williams. And on all of those guys. It's there's going to be smaller windows for Mahomes to throw an I'm not questioning that Patrick Mahomes is a uniquely talented football player. He is spectacular. The arm talent. This guy has is extrordinary. But if guys not open you can't get him a bowl. That's it's hard. It's a hard point to argue. I still think that they're not gonna be as significantly worse as you think. But I don't necessarily think they're going to win twelve games again. All right eighty-five now. I think I won the first I don't know. At least the first one I respectfully disagree now. 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But maybe the most important when I'm going to give you today's this statistics say there's a good chance that you or someone you know has had their families impacted by cancer. I guess my intention here isn't to ask you to do this. What I really want to do what I really want to ask you is. Why wouldn't you? What's stopping you from taking a quick test that could save someone else's life? Head over to be the match dot org. For more information with the Boston Celtics, beating the Milwaukee Bucks. Infinite amount of time on the clock. And by the way, thank God. We we switched from the old format. I know there's some figuring stuff out as we go along. But I'm just so much happier with. Yeah. Me too. I think I think it's worked out very well. All right. So here's the thing. Gregory. I think the Boston Celtics proved to me in game one improved to everyone in game. One exactly what this argument is for me. This is a team that is just been kind of laying in the weeds. They know what they are. They know how talented they are. And they weren't getting super hung up about how they played in the regular season. This is a team where you have a superstar, and Kyrie Irving who doesn't want to be there and maybe wasn't playing as hard as he could in the regular season. But all of that is over now as we saw in game one Boston dominated the Milwaukee Bucks. They won one twelve to ninety wasn't even that close. I think this series is over. I think it's over in six in favor of Boston. I really do. See I can get how you can have that take prior to series. I can get how you can have that take after game one of the series. But I can't get is after watching last night and seeing how the bucks came back and responded made their adjustments and flat out outplayed Boston for most. If not all of that game to save that you think that they can sort of just kind of kick out the team that was the best team in the NBA all season. I think a lot of the thing in in my defense here. I think a lot of those players on those the bucks roster played over their heads last night. You know, you're not gonna get seven ten from three and eight and ten of eighteen from Khris Middleton every night. You're just not Jaanus isn't going to give you, you know, eighteen trips to line every single night blood. So is not gonna shoot three or five brook. Lopez shot three of eight this seem chef forty two point six percent from three they shot extraordinarily. Well, this was everything came together kind of gain. This is a Brooklyn nets beating the seventy Sixers in that first him of the their series kind of game. You're not gonna see this again. Boston's gonna adjust Brad Stevens is too smart. And this Boston team is just to to to talented. I mean, but that Celtics team in game one shot forty one point nine percent from three, you know. You know? I mean, it's to me. That's that's hard for me to buy like they shot just as well. From three in the game. One as the bucks didn't game to tech point seven percent better. Okay. You know? Yeah. I think that the bucks. I think the books are also really going to get help. When Malcolm Brogdon does come back. I mean, you're talking about a guy that was rookie of the year. I I'm saying that simply because I knew I'd get that reaction from you. And every other Joel Embiid fan and have the same reaction to me saying it, I just it's hard for me to sit here and listen to all the Boston hype. And have them say, well, you know, the Celtics really didn't take the regular season for real. They're here to just kind of go through the motions until the games matter again and not so much just the Boston Celtics, but Kyrie Irving specifically. But. Yeah. But I mean, you have to you then have to perform at an unbelievable rate throughout you know, what I mean like you can't every game has to be your best effort. If you're really gonna tell me that you've turned it off. And then turn it back on. Let's not that. I don't think he's ever going to tell you turned it off and turned it back. You know, what I I do. In fact, that was the case. And you know, you talk about the return to Malcolm Brogdon into the bucks lineup. But the Celtics are very close to getting Marcus smart back. So I don't think that's necessarily overwhelmingly in the bucks favor. I would argue that getting smart back in that defensive intensity that he brings as much as I hate him as a basketball player as the seventy Sixers fan that's a giant win for the Celtics and he's a tone setter for that team. It's a giant win for the Celtics. But it also could be a negative for the Celtics because you're going to be taking minutes away from guys like Jalen Brown who have performed unbelievably well and smarts absence. You're gonna take minutes away from Rozier who's also seemed to do even better with smart not being in there. It's the problem. That plagued the Celtics all season where there's so many almost too many guys and not enough spots on the court. They don't know how to utilize everybody to the best of their ability. I mean, you know, Rozier was to of ten in in game two. I'm I'm just not Terry Rozier fan by any stretch of the imagination game one. He was better. But he wasn't great. You know, I I don't get the Rozier hype. I really don't I think he is ineffective scorer off the bench. If there's a team out there that thinks he's a starting point guard for them. God help them for real God help them because they get paid. He's gonna get. No, no question. And I hope it's Boston. I hope it's Boston the pays them. I really really do. I would love for them to be occupying a big part of their salary cap. Paying Marcus smart and Terry Rozier, why he does nothing but destroy the Sixers. I don't I'm not even a little bit concerned about Terry Rozier, not even a little concern his hype stems entirely from. A couple of good games at the end of the regular season in the hot playoffs last year. He has not been good this year. In fact, I would argue the Terry Rozier, was borderline bad this year when I say ineffective. I don't I don't just mean. Like, oh, he's not playing great. He shot thirty eight percent from the field this year he shot in that in that super hot season. He had leisure shut thirty nine percent from the field. He's oh a bismuth shot selector guy. Just a biz mill I'm fine with him being on on the court at any point. I really am because he hurts an offense more than elps. It. Based off of your analytics based off of feel and watching the games and seeing how it performs against certain teams. He makes big impacts. He does to who small sample size, and you know, that's small sample size Schumer, but the generalize with numbers like you do for every relaxing anything. I'm I'm telling you. He shoots thirty eight point seven percents from the field, and that's horrible. That's fine. Jess sharply part of that third. If what if one of those shots, it's doing that. Thirty eight percent goes in critical time, then it doesn't matter. What the percentages say? It went in. Who cares? I don't under. What does that logic? Even means. So you're saying you're saying Jaanus, let's not even use Janas lets us Malcolm brogden, Malcolm brogden shoots four of twenty from the field next game. But he hits the hits a turnaround jumper with fifteen seconds left to give the bucks a one point lead. He then had a good game. No, he's still he still had a bad game. But he came up what it mattered. That's that's the point yet. But he shot them. You understand? There's calls -ality here. He shot them out of the game originally like he in that scenario. He is the reason his poor shooting is the reason they're even behind in the first place digging himself out of the whole, I don't understand we're talking about. What are we are? We really suggesting Terry the guy's never shot over thirty nine point five. Five percent from the field in his four seasons in the NPA. Never. I'm not saying the terrorists years a superstar. All I'm saying is is as we've seen him play in the playoffs. And last night. Obviously was not one of those games. We've seen him go off and have big games and be an impactful player on the court. Like it's happened before. I don't know why I'm arguing for the Celtics. That's that's not the point of where undefeated. Get outta here. That's that's the point of this is you know, you we can sit here and nitpick at that. But like not nitpicking, you're bringing more smart back in that being such a huge advantage. It takes other guys off the court, and it changes the way that this team plays. We watched it at the whole as the whole season unfolded. Once Gordon Hayward came back and more and more minutes were taken away and people had to sit out after last year's playoff run that happened without Kyrie Irving and guys were getting more time and that team made it all the way to what game seven of the Eastern Conference finals last year. I mean that certainly has an effect on these guys it does. Yeah. I think a lot of the the Hayward thing was just him getting comfortable after the injury. I know it just conveniently lines up with with smart getting getting hurt and they're more minutes opening up, but fruit really haven't been more minutes opening up. It's just Danny aines plays eight guys in the playoffs. You know? That's it. And I respect. That you know, he he'll give Danny. Yeah. Well, I know what you meant. I know what you meant Stevens. Don't you ever? Correct me undefeated read, look, you don't know that Danny. I'm here suggesting that Danny inches is secretly coaching this team. All of a sudden, Danny aines is Brian Cashman or Bryan Colangelo. But. No. But but Stevens is playing you know, he's playing six guys big minutes. He's playing to other guys minor complimentary minutes. And that's in my opinion. How a playoff roster should be set. I want I want to just go back to Rosia for one second. Because I think this is fascinating. We talked about this incredible playoff run that he had last year where he broke out and scary Terry came to be and this was just as mythical force. And he was going to be a superstar in the NBA, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, shot forty percent from the field. I mean litter this bitter Sixers fandom that I've argued with for months with other people when it comes to Terry Rozier, specifically I had Shaikh Ganic argument with my cousin regarding Terry Rozier versus Robert Covington who was more impactful in that series last year. Her here. I get it. But it's because Covington was bad. Then guess what? So Terry Rozier this year. He's bad we've established that he stinks at basketball, and the bucks are gonna lose to the Celtics who liked to rotate in a guy that's thinks basketball bucks win. I win on the books undefeated streak is over you. Kevin Nash to your Goldberg. I don't understand that reference. And you don't have the power to make these don't and not only in my saying that I'm right in what I just said. I'm also saying I'm right in that I have one. So this is two ws for me this. That's how this works. I guy created the show. I get take the role. Undefeated. So that is going to be this week's episode of you're wrong. And here's why for Greg Crone. I'm Chris Horwood L, and we'll see you back here next week.

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They're athletes, and they got Covid-19

The Dr. Gundry Podcast

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They're athletes, and they got Covid-19

"Welcome to the doctor Gandhari podcast the weekly podcast where Dr g gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life. Welcome to the Dr Country Podcast so not long ago the New, York Times bestselling author Hand Long Distance Runner Charlie Angle join me to talk about overcoming addiction, surviving incarceration and running across the entire Sahara desert. Clearly, this man is no stranger to adversity, but today Charlie is joined by his wife Stasi to talk about a different challenge in April they both came down with Kobe nineteen, and the ordeal is far from over. On this episode of Doctor Gunnery podcast Charlie and Asana will join me remotely to share their experience with the virus, including some atypical symptoms and a mad dash to the ER. Also talk about how this virus is very different from the flu, and what they're doing to regain their strength and care for each other during this difficult time. Plus they'll share their advice for coping with. Govan nineteen whether you're infected yourself or have a loved one who is welcome to the program. Much come on. Charlie's great. See you again and to meet your lovely wife, and this is going to be very interesting. You know I've done a bunch of podcasts about the virus and what you should do, etc, etc, but this is exciting to actually talk with someone. We know who's gone through all this. So. You guys have been through a lot in the last two months and I really appreciate you rallying to be your today. Tell us a little bit about your relationship. How did you guys meet? And how long have you been married? It depends on who you ask how we met. This is gonNA. Be Good all right? I'll. I'll let us dossier on own. Story well. We didn't need an jam. Witches sounds like a typical story for two athletes. We met a very small gym and Greensboro North Carolina and that was a little over six years ago. Yes and. Charlie likes to say there were fifty bikes, and they are all available, and I chose to sit right next to him on a bike. Open were likes the entire gem, and there was only one option and. So I did sit next and. Started out the conversation that just got going. Is that the Truth Charlie. It's close enough and I will admit she had the universal sign of. Don't bother me by having her air ear pods in, and I completely ignored that and continued to You know to chatter out, but luckily I have been to Ecuador and she had just returned from Ecuador She's a a world renowned. A wildlife biologist, and renowned bird experts, so she had been living in the Amazon jungle for a while, so we we bonded over adventure travel. It word Ecuador is really what made me take my headphones out eventually, really trying to ignore him very much, so and he asked the questions. I haven't seen you in here, you know. Are you from around here and? So I told him I just moved back from Ecuador, and he said Oh. I've been back door and that. Amy Take my headphones off. Because generally people can't even find it on a map, much less have been there and yes, so went from there. So what did you say I? WanNa show you my bird collection or I mean come on. I tried to get her to come out and run with me, and she actually completely refused Jeremy. Actually was standing there with my phone strike expectantly hope way. Like Hey, maybe we can run sometime and she looks says now I really I prefer to run alone. That's my alone. And she left me hanging for ten seconds, and then she said Oh but I'll give you. My number of like I'm like yes. I was I did not get what he was doing. I was on the treadmill by this time he came up and he asked me and I was just honest. I'm not a person who likes to say Oh. Yeah, sure, let's do that, and then you just avoid doing it so I just was like no I. You know I don't want to, but I didn't see the phone in his hand until after he asked me the question, and it very cute and so yeah, I was like you can have my number I just don't want to run with the. In fairness to little that she knows she is the actual athlete because she played professional beach volleyball for years, and even cycled professionally like she's an actual high end like fast, twitch athlete Yes, I run very long distances, but like my skills are fairly one dimensional. Here the plotter in the family exactly I just I keep rolling and see when we finally. Managed to convince her to run with me, she was. And she was fascinated at how slowly Iran. It's true. Shuffling my feet and looking down at his feet and Run the slowly. I actually go there said you understand that's not a compliment I mean I. I don't know. A better way it was, it was. It was the start of of something, great and to tell you how committed we are to that. We actually when we did get married at in big Sur. It was just the two of us, and we actually went on what we call a runny moon, and so we we spent the week running all over San Francisco and The The Bay area big Sur and and just kind of seeing that part of California by foot, and you know we haven't stopped since except for now except for now, okay well, let's get into now. That Charlie you were pretty healthy before all this but Astacianna you've had some serious health struggles including a battle with cancer. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about that sure? I've always been a very healthy very active person, and a lot of people would know struggles that have gone through, but starting at a young age. Of Age of Eight, I started having some struggles with lymphoma and. had a very severe debilitating bader disease that I still deal with on a daily basis, and then. The most recent recurrence lymphoma was nine years ago. I had a pet scan last year, and all of that came out while. I. Love the term cancer-free for some reason, but it's been nine years. And that has left with it. The treatments I got for those cancers. It's havoc on my body, which is expected so I have some immune issues at some blood count issues, and I just call those the side effect of being alive for me, because I'm I am alive, even visited the things I just have to deal with, and so I'm always in a group that might be considered at risk just with my immune system, Gotcha so when all this kind of started I would take it that you were pretty diligent about keeping your distance from others. So what other precautions where you taking? Nearly took it very seriously. Charley right away, understood that he had to stop going places because he didn't want to be going bringing it back to me, so I was on complete house quarantine right from the beginning of finding out about this virus, and Charlie canceled some races and some speaking engagements because he we were trying to figure out. What would you leave? Would you come back and get a hotel? It was complicated, so he just didn't go anywhere either. And he started. He was the crazy looking person back in March that had a mask and gloves on and the grocery store and people were worried about them because he started doing that right away. All right, so you're pretty much locked up. At Home You're you're not. VENTURING OUT COSCO for toilet paper. Now. So. So, what were your? So? What were your symptoms early on? And then tell us all that progress. Yeah, so I you know again. My biggest concern was bringing bringing this back to her, and and I mean I probably did I mean we still have no ideas? We'll get into, but I mean I. You know we made the decision that I would be super careful where mask and gloves. When I went out, we started ordering and we have been hearing. You know groceries. We'd had a secret for years. You know we use instagram. Our daughter, our groceries most of the time anyway, and so that's what we've always done, and so we continue to do that, but occasionally I did need to go into a grocery store. But I I really tried to. I tried to leave the house at the the lowest possible, and you sanitized every every week, but every item on the front porch, and took it out of the bags and sanitized everything before he brought it into the House I made I'm struck down and put his clothes right in the Washer, you know. Yeah. So the I was in April the six. About a month and a half ago, I woke up in the middle of the night, actually with a stomach that was quite upset and crampy and just vary Yeah, I just knew something wasn't quite right, and I had a headache but quite frankly those were not symptoms that I had read anything about and like I. You know I I'm not subject or pro unusually to allergies or whatever, but I mean it seemed very unlikely and then. A couple of days later Asana up, and you know one morning, and and was having some of the same issues, but then add on top of that all of the other symptoms now is downstairs I heard her coughing upstairs, one of the things and I literally stopped what I was doing, and like raised my head, and just listen for a second and and internally said Oh. You know I sort of knew at that moment that things were. It felt like they were changing your entirely. I hadn't thought much of his stomach being upset, but I'm i. Am as I I read a read. A lot of research already knew at that point that stomach upset was as I'm dominated pretty decent proportion of the population that got it so. Yeah that did lead us to. Start considering the that might be yeah, but we had a week doctor. You know we didn't feel great, but then like four or five days into it. Actually we both felt better and I was still going out and. Getting out in the neighborhood and walking, and even a little running, and that kind of stuff, nothing crazy, but just getting outside and and and then we actually we have two days where it seem like. You know we were we were done. It was over, and then it really hit a Saas Yana very very hard, and it became clear that we needed to get her doctors on the phone and started having some consultations Alad her. Tell you, but at that point the first conversation with the doctor was. I don't want to say it wasn't helpful. It just was you know. Nobody knew anything still like it was still like nobody had like answers. Yeah, so about we did. We had that. You know maybe a week or so and we I would call it a surge like I feel great. that. Entirely stay pretty okay, but I started going downhill and called. My longtime primary care also works with my oncologist. Dr had a conversation was really discouraged from. Trying to get a task for Kobe. Are you know there really wasn't any encouragement to go to the hospital or to go anywhere else to do that? And we also spoke with a couple of other healthcare professionals didn't suggest it. But I just kept getting worse, and we were keeping a close eye on my respiratory symptoms, but they take a step back. I'd like to tell you might sometimes so. Hounding headache like a pulsating headache that also includes some dizziness. And this feeling that my head is so heavy that I can't hold it up there so many times where I wanted to literally ask Charlie. Can you help me hold my head up? And so very sore throat. But not like a strep throat. It was just like this really burning situation that went further down into the top of my chest. Deep. Body aches, extreme fatigue. And, then the stomach upset y came last was the coughing, so all those things were president. All that was happening. Once the golfing started I pretty quickly started actually my my chest was sore to the touch and. When it got to the point where when I breathed, and it hurt was when we were quite concerned and that is. When I called my doctor back, and I had a telehealth appointment and I think that seeing me. Our first conversation was on the phone and the next month. Video at I think seeing me. She I mean. She looked a little startled by how I walked, but she said I want you to go to the emergency room now. Just roll out of bed. Put your clothes on and go. And so, that's what we did and I. I felt pretty darn. Daryl! Talking was like I got completely out of breath just by trying to speak, it was it was pretty rough. So let me stop you there, so is this this a week into this timeframe or about? A week to. Two two and a half weeks from what we felt like. We're some symptoms and and so I. Don't you know it's hard to say exactly what? You know when it manifested, but I mean I feel pretty competent. I started taking notes early on because I wanted to be able to answer doctors question. If you know, I was being way for me as you already know, I'm not a particularly cautious person person by nature. But I was determined that I was going to have answers and be able to remember. kind of what happened progressively avid chart of the dates when certain symptoms started. In kind of once all night respiratory stuff happened. We have this list of symptoms been all of a sudden on the same day. It's like Oh. Yeah I I completely unable to eat. That happened when it kind of took a really big turn for the worst is just kind of like. Everything happened up until that point I think we both thought might be over, but we also both were like well. Maybe it doesn't you know. Maybe it doesn't and. Let me just say to. You've never known anyone that appreciates food the way my wife does so when she refused to eat I knew we really. Really trouble. So so during this time are you doing you know you're a scientist? Are you saying okay? What sort of thing should I be doing at all? Should I change vitamin? Should I go get prescriptions? I mean what was going through your mind. I always think I'm going to be okay. No matter what circumstance I'm doubt and it was a really big trust thing between Charlie I that goes. Charlie was always ready to take me to the hospital. And I asked him to trust me that I would know when that time came so I just stuck with. I have a very well rounded. Diets excellent with hydration. I didn't change a lot of things. I imagined that this virus would take its course and that there wasn't a miracle drug or supplement that was going to get rid of it so I. I don't actually think that. I changed drinking. More he had are not and some I'm green tea and things like that which were just you know soothing to begin with? It also have anti inflammatory and antioxidant things on them. All right so now you, so you go to the emergency room and they look at you and say boy what happened next? Yes, so we? We drove up on. You know in the car and we actually even I. Mean it it. It felt weird, but I felt like it was my responsibility in way. We shot some videos actually in the car driving to the Er and I did recognize. Like with some I knew how helpful it was for me to see other people on the news, or whatever that we're actually talking about this? Not Fear based talk, not whatever just like real talk about this is what's happening, so? We get to the ER. We've we've discussed sort of a plan. You know I've got a backpack full of things and I WANNA. Make sure that she's able to. Communicate if because I knew I tried my best to like. Get myself into the Er to to tested, but my symptoms they were having another, so we pulled up to the ER and there's the emergency overhang, and we pull up, and there was no one else in front of us, and there was a a nurse standing in the doorway, full body armor on, and like nothing else was open like there was no not your typical hospital scene where people are coming and going and whatever and. And so my wife stays in the car I. Get out walk around and. Start answering some questions from the nurse and I explain what's going on roll down the window of the car. And she asked my wife a couple of questions Annan I opened the door. I think once they saw me. I was super weeks so me getting out of the car, and just kind of taking me on I was ever so incredibly weakened tired. And they asked me if I had a fever. That sort of stuff and Yet. They decided that they should definitely take me on. The crazy Bart was of course. You know I sort of walk her over to this nurse a little bit I. Keep My distance and I'm wearing a mask and we go. And You know and I need to move my car. There's no one right behind me, but any I I remember like rushing going back and getting the car, and there's a little parking lot right there and I literally I part and she's gone. And I it doesn't occur to me that moment. That like I. Don't know where this is going hunting right? They quickly Said told him to stay back and took me. There is now like. Are you know words It was a you know. I was just taking back so. Yeah and I'm so that country I'll tell you that I've probably been more emergency rooms that I can count with my health issues in the past and I'm not the least bit squeamish about hospitals. They've kind of second home to me unfortunately. However what I experienced in this emergency room visit was entirely different than anything I ever have as soon as I was taken into the corona virus kind of ward that they had. So stark first of all they had. These hand motion doors sealed behind you and everyone was in the full gear that you see on TV but any of the worst images you see on tv about how everything works as exactly what it looks light and being surrounded by doctors. And nurses in this full gear was it had a profound effect on me? I don't know exactly how to describe it, but there's some a being among stat was very intense and. There were only about eight beds in there, and they had curtains in between them, but. Going, and going past a patients and seeing how sick they looked in. Anyone's face because we all had the mask on, so it was It was a it was a scary environment and I would never say that about the hospital for me, but it it. It felt official that I was. I was in this club that I didn't want to be in. Something that happens to me in my line of work. People are dying around you. What was that experience like? Somebody passed away. What in a better so away from you? Yes, they are two bads away from me and I couldn't see them. But I. I hadn't been there very long. And I could see some of the patients like their feet and things like that and some owning or whatever, but so two beds to my left I. Heard some really panicked noises from a person that was in distress, trying to breathe and just making a lot of noise. And a code was called, so I heard. You know the code. Be called all the noises that happened with that. And there was probably. Less than a minute of more struggle and events and then. They were. Dad, they were gone, and as soon as all the ruckus in the noise of the machines, and the person themselves taking their last fighting, breasts and dead. There was a loudest cry just someone started sobbing so intensely and hyperventilating. And? I've wondered if it was a nurse. Even because there were no visitors and there, you know I don't know who was. It was hard. It was so I. It's like I was just taking through all of the sounds of all the steps of this person. And then the impact that it had on the people around him. Now Meantime Charlie. You can't come visit right now and I mean you know it's it's is some of this is in hindsight of course but. Just what Donna just described is I was sitting in a parking lot with about like I sat there for several hours I watched probably. I'd say fifteen more cars over that period of time. pull up drop someone off and join me in the parking lot, and then some people would go back down. Pick someone up and leave, but it was. It was a weird scene because I'm in this parking. Lot with a bunch of people were all like solo sitting in our cars. You know with the windows down and. And like just waiting now, she had her phone was able at a few points to text me. And I appreciated the fact actually that she there is no one when it comes to health. There's actually nobody you'll ever meet its last dramatic than wife because of all that she's been throw and so. She doesn't like to freak me out as what it boils down to like. She knew how I must be feeling out there. Therefore, she was sending me the occasional attacks. You know she's worried about keeping me sane while on. Air You know meanwhile of course I'm worried about her, but it's. It's that she did actually share that tax with me that that she had You know heard someone pass away and I hesitated that I felt. I thought alone. I felt very alone and I was. It's like I just needed to share it with somebody and somehow texting that. To Charlie was you know. It just felt better to do that, but yeah, so it's generally. What did you feel I getting that text while I'm busying myself by texting her mother by like I'm keeping everybody. Up to date kind of what's going on, and actually we like almost without even speaking. It agreed that I would not be sharing that part. White weakest share that at another time later, but I mean look I sat there. Fully aware and understanding and I mean I. Don't know some people might not like to ever think this but I'm I've been through a lot of my life. I I sat there in the car and I thought to myself I. Don't know if I'm. We're GONNA see my wife again because I knew if they admitted her. That I would not be allowed to come in I, knew from watching the news all these stories and people being intimidated and just a process that was going on very often. If you are admitted with Covid, nineteen and the good part is. She was telling me all the things that that they were doing for her. which we? We didn't say. She did say the nurse and the doctor I we, we've been to a lot of doctors together, and I can tell like pretty much immediately whether she's comfortable with the person that she's working with. You know because she knows her way around. Doctors and hospitals and nurses are great. They were fantastic. And as you've probably heard many times, the nurses in a hospital make all the difference as to what your experience is like. They were fantastic. They were really great. As soon as I was taken an of course, they did my socks, and it was waiting between eighty, three and eighty six, so. I was putting on oxygen immediately. That was the first measure was just you know getting that? Oxygen on and trying to get my oxygen levels back up. They would go up. They finally saturated up to about ninety four, but if I had a coughing fit our or just had a Taco lot than they would. Back Down, again so I was obviously kept on oxygen for several hours I was given fluids and also IV, Trama doll for inflammation and they. They gave me a shot of steroids. As well, so I was given I was they took a lot of blood and they obviously any for or Kobe. with, the double nose swab and the inside of the mouth and very funny. They did it after incredibly uncomfortable bay. They did it and the nurse said Oh my God. You're the first person that doesn't like. They want to punch me. It's okay. There was this incredible leg. There is a delayed reaction in my eyes watering, and you know kind of being uncomfortable, so I was kept their given the fluids given the oxygen and they were going to admit me. There is a discussion about that. You know they needed to keep me. But they ultimately decided not to keep me. They just kept me there for several hours to try to hydrate me and Gimme the oxygen. And there was an argument, I wouldn't even call a disagreement. There was an argument between the nurse and the doctor that I did over here, but they didn't knock it over here at their outside of my little boundary, but the nurse really was upset that that the mind had been changed that I was not going to be admitted. She thought I needed to stay definitely to keep having oxygen He thought that I was more at risk from staying in the hospital that I was for going home because of my immune system and other issues, and he said that he did not think a hospital was a place that I should be. So that's how that decision was made, and it really window now. It was interesting for me when she said because it seemed like she was going to be admitted going to be admitted going to be admitted, and then like I'll be out in three minutes I was like lap. You know and our actually. Super excited in relieved of course. I wanted her to have the care that she needed by. I. Also know I mean the things that she survived in the past. A virus is different, and virus is going to run its course and we've seen with covid nineteen that. The chorus isn't predictable, and every single person is is different. You know in my you know what it. What it did in. Me was much different than what it did in her. But I felt like the best place for her to get healthy as long as she was reading, okay was going to be at home so I was. Concerned. I mean they did say to me. Nitric Andrea leaving. If you feel like you need oxygen again, comeback knows like. A little strange because you know I with oxygen on I really wasn't citing all the way up. You know like as much as I would like to, so it was. They were interesting. Parting words. Up Getting. ALBUTEROL! With the full mask set up to be more a breathing treatment and it made a huge difference, actually the first couple of times I did it. There is the most. Soothing a fact of actually feeling like my you know. My lungs were kind of opening up. I could really feel it and. They did x-rays by the way did not have pneumonia denied pneumonia, but I had. Inflammation of the EPA gladys and bronchial tubes, and had fluid sacs, just sitting right on the talk of the pulmonary area, but not into my lungs, so that's kind of where I stood. If I'd had known I think that probably I would have been kept their. How long were you there about five hours soon? Yeah, so by hours of fluids and oxygen. And Mike Charlie said they brought me. The nurse came in I didn't understand what she was giving me, and I said are these discharge papers and she said Yeah, and then I was out. Of all happened pretty suddenly as far as being discharged, but. Yeah. I did have to talk to someone I was given the phone which was interesting I had to be registered. Even though that I obviously didn't have my results from my test back yet, they were. They really assumed I. Did have it so I'm unclear who I talk to I. Don't know if it was someone the CDC, but outside of the hospital where they ask me questions about where I lived and exposure, and that sort of stuff so I was they did tell me I was going to be put on some sort of a list, and so that did happen while you're there to grow two questions. What have you learned about Kobe nineteen? That surprised you. That's the first question and the second question is okay. What are you doing to recover? And how's that going? So I WANNA say winning because you've done a great job of the time line, but just just for listeners. Like April eighth was when we first started feeling lousy. This is April twenty nine when we end up in the ER and obviously you know today we're into may well into May and and. So, it's been a really long. Alarm process overall, and so I was unable to get tested at the time when we went to the ER, which I found very frustrating. I won't go into all the details of that. You know, but you know anybody who said that you could get tested. They were just wrong. Charleena's ninety respiratory sometimes and I, you know He did live with me and he did have other symptoms, but I think that The The respiratory symptoms were I mean we, we of course assumed treated me as if I was operative because there was no doubt that I was, but it is. It was frustrating for data that I. That I wouldn't be tested because it just shows you how how the numbers were so skewed in there probably were so many millions more people that were positive. You know whether they had symptoms not but anyway. I did eventually. About ten days ago, my own doctor, I got an email saying that they had tests available. And so I did a drive in at my own doctors office and someone came out, and I filled out a questionnaire, and they gave me a in one side one nasal passage. You know and ask the other one. Doesn't you never know and so three or four days later I? Did come back negative, and it's once again. It's it's a little frustrating because it. We don't know what that means. Test. I came to found out. Find out how to thirty percent chance of false negatives. And it had also been a long time, and I probably was I mean almost certainly was no longer shedding virus as they say and so I wasn't. I wasn't I didn't still have the virus, and so I probably should have at the time. An antibody test to I printed on both at the same time I still would like to get the antibody test. You know just so. I know where I stand. Even though I have no like where there was no distancing in our house, Neal Sec I. My symptoms started exactly the way has were so you know he was sick? I needed care. There was no there was no not like I couldn't go to another part of the house and we weren't together as like. She needs to be taken care of at that point, so look our routine has been. You know you already know where where plant-based eaters we we take a lot of vitamins and supplements. We've been using you know obviously. I'm a vital reds guy always have been so. That's my daily routine the mushroom product I. Really Enjoy you know. The these are things that I mean I. do all the time anyway, but even more focused now for me, I'm. I'm just staying on my hydration my sleep because there's like with training for a run. I always tell athletes you can train your butt off and if you don't sleep and you don't hydrate, then the benefits of your hard work are never really gonNA. Take Hold, and so I've cheated covid nineteen, the same way and I'm I've had a lot of exhaustion issue, so my my issues. Even now I said several times I have never been tired in my whole life. He said that several times and that's saying something because I see him after he doesn't ultra endurance event. You know when he's run hundreds of miles or any darn tired, but he is just this oppressive. Fatigue and I've never seen my husband. Just curl up on the couch verde not move but I think that that has been the biggest surprise him in how long lasting at as for me the surprises. The longevity of it for sure the extent to which is impacted. My stomach blows my mind I mean. Ice Sto-. I still have a lot of stomach issues a lot of abdominal cramping Aladdin. and ability to really eat normal foods without feeling terrible without feeling so bad in my stomach that I really need to let you know. Curl up and lie down but also the cyclical nature of this sense. The hospital days continued really badly for awhile, but I got several days. Ram like Oh I feel so much better and some some particular symptom will be completely gone like the sore throat cough I tell my mom. She's excited in the next day. It's back again. still to this day. I'm I'm continuing with fatigue, but my body aches haven't gone away. This morning was really hard morning for me. I, just it just very intense body ache particularly through the back. So all the way. From my upper back down into my lower back just hurts intensely, but the longevity I think would be just the long term impact on fatigue, and just feeling of wellness has been surprising. Now. There's been a lot of talk that there are. Mental changes or emotional changes that have associated with this virus. Any any feeling about that refer not to mention that. There's made those days. I. Darlie I. I would say I'm not. That's not this stupid. I'm not stupid as I'm acting, but my short term memory and focus for a few weeks was. Shocking and scary I would do things immediately. Not Remember I, did them. We Watch TV shows. I didn't remember that it happened. I was having a hard time. Some word of Asia I was having a hard time coming up with words. It was quite profound and market He definitely tell them how you experienced it with watching me. Yeah, it was. Borderline look I make fun of hardship usually, and so I always struggle that even in this kind of case like not make it always so heavy and to sort of laugh at ourselves, but I will freely admit like there were a couple. You know we'd sit down the next night. Watch Netflix show that we've been watching for you. Know two weeks, and we turn it on and see what's going on I. Might You remember the this? He's like no, like absolutely. No clue what I'm talking about, and that did but. You don't know she she's A. She's a bird experts. He identifies thousands of bird species by sound alone like there is a computer in her brain. That is the most. Robust and advanced. You know mental capacity I've ever seen and she like. was you know she would leave her cop here and she leave and I mean like she couldn't find anything she couldn't do anything. I mean. It just I felt lawson. Just dazed and confused. It was just by that would have moments where I didn't realize I was like that I went. Remember anything, but yes, a lot of starting something dryly was really worried about me. I was baking and he was. He was going to try to go out for a walk and I kept forgetting that you know. Did I do this I do that as the of and on that I. Like I. Like this you can't be. Because I was experienced a lot of the same things, but it's really hard to tell the difference with me. You probably couldn't even remember which episode of Tiger King You saw. Me! Embarrassed to say that I watched it actually I if I could go back and watch it I would but our. Question we didn't answer just briefly on as far as what we're doing we have. We're fortunate to have a backpack front porch where we get good sunlight so for me on my worst days. The medicinal effect of just for my spirit. How feels we both tried to just just get out and feel the sun for a while just to get that fresh air, it's it's very rejuvenating, and so that's one thing that has been very important to me. If I were in an apartment where I couldn't go out and get that sunshine and fresh air, I think it would be much harder. Okay, so one of the one of the reasons I wanted you on. Obviously, we are starting to open up around the United States and people are absolutely going, you know. Stir crazy and cabin fever. You two guys are. Great athletes and you'd be. A kind of down the list of who you would expect this to happen to. Although obviously you've got some immune issues. What what do you tell, everybody? What's the takeaway from all this? Well, we talk about it every single day and we're. We're horrified when we watch the news and all of that and I, I would say and I'll give my two cents, and then let South Ziani chime in, but I'm. First of all. We have no idea how we got this. I mean obviously we all watch. The News and more and more evidence seems to be coming out that it's less likely that you're gonna get it from touching a surface or whatever it's more human to human contact. And we had very little of that, so how nine? Hours in the grocery store twice, but I was wearing a mask and. I didn't I. Didn't kiss anyone while I was there? So you know I mean it's like so. It's still part that I like to I. Don't WanNa. Scare people by you just have to be cognizant and don't let your guard down. Don't bomb, somebody's elbow or fist, or whatever I mean clearly don't shake hands, but just you know just take this diamond and be mindful you know of that and then. I want to say one. Since I've known Charlie, he's never been sick I've never time I had the flu when I was in eighteen year old college freshman at Carolina and I have never like I i. don't remember ever being sick before then after then like quite literally i. Am you know my immune system's probably as strong as anybody's out there and there's No No doubt that I got this I and brought it into the house. I'm as certain as I can be of that and I'm grateful of course that it's you know turned out okay for us, but I I think the the thing is that people are crossing the line out there with confused and sorry I'm not trying to talk. Politics are confusing politics with. Getting good decisions you know and I understand. We have to open backup. We in North Carolina are in our second phase of opening up, which means restaurants can be fifty percent capacity. I have a son his await or in a restaurant, so we'd had a lot of discussions about what that means for him and we get that I. It's going to happen and therefore arguing about it. Being a bad idea is almost like a waste of breath, so it's amy. More about arguing for how to do it, and if you're going out there, trying to make a political statement by not wearing a mask I. I just I can't. Even I can't condemn that kind of attitude or approach anymore you know I'm adamant about the fact that that's just not the right way to go, and so you know people need to wear masks. And that's what we're doing. You know when we go out. We're careful well. Has Been Out yet, but you know, but as I go out, you know it's wearing the mask. It's being respectful of other people and just, but you're not going out to do anything social. You're still not. So, it's just you know to go to the pharmacy to get a prescription for me or do something like that. Yeah, I am warlord. I'm I, walk or run most days right now I've you I'm on totally different routes I ever normal used because I like to stay away from people as much as possible and I use a buff so I have what's next scarf sickly that you know anytime I? Come ghost anyone i. just pull it up and you know again i. just you know there's there's smart ways to do this. That I think are protecting and. You know and will help us get to this next stage. It makes me nervous. The backup certainly makes me nervous I worry about my parents. I think one thing to remember is that if you're not concerned for your own health and safety, just remember that every person you come in contact with and then later when you see your loved one. You are bringing that to them so I think a lot of people might it's. It's natural if you're younger to feel like you're immune to beings. That's not true, but it's natural to feel that way, but you may not feel the same way about your parents or your grandparents, so to keep in mind. It's not just me. It's everybody I'm going to see later that I might be. Giving this, too. I understand economics up to but. Man It's a tough one. I really would like to see the virus slowdown a lot more before people start getting together and I think a big part of opening up is just. Being, patient versus necessity. Very good so charlie. What's this doing to like? With venture mission and all that I mean. What's GonNa Happen? My Global Adventures have been on my back deck recently like so many people and I I. Have I'm proud of the running community in general because you know we have. There's tons of virtually events there. People have kind of embraced this and you know people understand I think we've got a different situation. I'm very lucky to have some trails that I. have access to that are not. There's not many people on them, and and if there are I, can keep my distance so I have the luxury of being able to get out and and run some jails, but there's always virtually events. Now that you know, you can actually answer you know the Boston Marathon, or whatever, of course you can't go run the Boston course, but it's still that fellowship and community that I. Think is really important so. On Your Australia is you guys know I was on my way to Australia. And and obviously I had to put that on hold, and it's been interesting to just say there's one last thing about like. Australia starting to open up not to foreign travel but I've I've really tried to I've tried to rethink my own philosophy I've got plenty of time right? I don't need to be in a big rush and so. What I've actually done is look up to. There's two big adventures that I'm looking at an and planning. That are right here in the state of North Carolina that would allow me to do. Some things that are local are things I've always wanted to do, and and I think can still take people on an adventure and remind them that we still have to get out there and and you know see the planet. We just have to do it safely. So with that in mind. How do people follow you? I know how to follow you. But how do we find you and I follow you? which is what you're doing. So the simplest way is just charlie angled dot. com is my website, but in any of the social media platforms. It's always just Charlie angle so twitter instagram facebook. He's active on Instagram at the Israel, also his last thing it's. I really disappeared off Instagram and social media several weeks ago and I felt like I just needed to give myself a little break from it, and and then of course I made the announcement several days ago, and a lot of that had to do with us having a discussion. My wife is incredibly private about her. Especially medical background and I'm proud of her for stepping up today, and actually sharing some of what she's gone through in her life and. We decided that we actually had a responsibility though to share some of our experience so that. People need to be wary, not necessarily afraid and terrified by you know. Take precautions and understand what to do. Have a plan. We had a plan like we talked about it beforehand. If we get sick, even though we thought it was a tiny chance that we would get sick, but if we did what are we going to do and I think talking those things out and having a plan really helped us when the time came. Yeah, we reading a lot of Messages Messages from people saying they didn't know anyone until they saw our story that had it and it made it more real, and you know thinking us for sharing our experience anything. It's valuable to see so much so often when you just see something on the news doesn't seem real, but when you have a conversation with someone who's actually had it. It makes you think about it a little more seriously. Again I really appreciate you coming on and sharing both your stories. I think it's going to be very helpful to everybody. All right so we'll look forward to seeing you on the trail and you over the house and once you identify some birds for me. I'm a big bird lover myself so. We, we migratory season has been entertaining here on my porch. All right great well, let you go and I. Wish you both a full recovery. Yeah, thank you appreciate it there. Okay. It's time for our audience question. Following my recent episode with Jeff Shilton one of the world's foremost mushroom experts letty Guzman Garcia on Youtube wrote in and asked what is the most beneficial way of eating mushrooms raw or cooked? Well, believe it or not. I actually like them both ways. However I can get mushrooms into your mouth is my preferred way. One of the Nice things about cooking mushrooms is they are? A lot of water. And so you can actually eat a whole lot more mushrooms if you cook them because they will shrink. A lot of people don't like the Slimy Nisa of mushrooms, and we actually on that episode went through some great tricks to. French fry them so that they're not slimy, so but either way. GET THEM IN? Put them sliced tomato salad. 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09:45 min | 3 weeks ago

Psychology of Confidence EP-1, Why most of the people are underconfident?

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Perjuangan Nabi

YEK YEK JE

31:48 min | 2 weeks ago

Perjuangan Nabi

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Game of Thrones, S8E6 | The Precappables

The Recappables

48:56 min | 2 years ago

Game of Thrones, S8E6 | The Precappables

"Hey, it's Liz Kelly, and welcome to the ringer podcast network. Before you get to the show, make sure you check out the ringer dot com for our extensive NBA playoff coverage leading up to the NBA finals. Also look out for a twenty nineteen NBA draft guide, which now features fifty of Kevin O'Connor scouting reports. The draft guide has a first-round mock draft big board rankings from our draft experts like Jonathan Turks Danny Chow, and much more to come leading up to the draft itself on June twentieth. Once again, check out the ringers twenty nineteen NBA draft guide and Oliver NBA coverage over on the ring dot com. Hello. And welcome to game of thrones pre-capitalist part of the ringer podcast network. This is the podcast very preview. The thrones episode to come and for the final time, we're going to break down, what to expect because this Sunday is the finale season. Eight episode six I'm at cram. And joining me as he Moore's the death of sir c whom just last week. He called the great Queen for west roasts. It truly Makati. I'm being misrepresented here yet again. I said that peace, and sir. See is better than war and anyone else. I just want to specify for everyone, sir. She only set fire to the sept- of Baylor, Danny set fire to the whole city. So she's better in that respect. All right. Let's start with next on game of thrones. I there's some new logistics for season. Eight episodes, six it's going to be eighty minutes long in the same range as the other episodes toward the back half of the season. But this episode is directed by David Benny off in db, Weiss, the to show runners, who have never officially directed the same episode before who basically have no directing experience pre game of thrones. They do have a little bit of experience on this own show. But that's kinda new. Yes. So Benny off them. Weiss have each directed. One episode David paying off directed episode three of season three walk of punishment. That is the episode where deniro's I kinda go sheets with crazy Kraz the unsullied owner freeze. Ms sandy, they do hostilities funeral at riverine Manson, John see the spiral horse carcasses on the face of the first men. But the biggest moment of this episode is Jaime loses his hand so that was Benny off episode. Dby structed episode one and sees him for two. Swords that had the very cool, cold open, where is, is reforge into what would become oath keeper and widows. Wail oberlin's introduced in this episode, and we get the aria and the hound chickens seen that such a classic and kind of get drogue on snarling deniro in her starring the lose control of her dragons, probably one of the better. Premiere episodes to be honest. Yeah, I really liked to sorts. I think walk of punishment. There's the Jamie losing his hand moment, which is the most memorable part, I think that episode is more of just a run of the mill the seasons moving along episode to sorgess one of my favorites. Yes. So that's interesting. I'm not sure if that means anything heading into the finale, but they don't have that much directing experience. But at least their previous efforts haven't been abominations. Sure, yeah. I think it's also notable that both of these episodes were working closely with material that Georgia Martin had written, so this episode which they're both directing, which is new. Do is based on completely new material that they wrote. So that's a whole different animal. And it's very secretive. The preseason Entertainment Weekly feature that we've mentioned a couple times on this podcast. Ready had this line quote for the finale secrecy was ratcheted up to another level. Only crew members wearing a special episode six badge were allowed on set during filming. And some scenes were shot on a closed set. We've also heard rumors that they distributed fake pages for the last episode that they even filmed perhaps things that aren't actually going to appear in this episode just to try and confuse things. So we're still gonna make predictions were still going to talk about what we expect. And there are certainly clues for us to dig into, but it seems like there's a lot of secrecy surrounding this episode specifically, and that kind of makes sense, given that it's the last episode of show. Yeah. I mean I want to go into it not knowing what's going to happen. So I think that I have absolutely no clue and the trailer doesn't give us that much. And it's one of the. Shorter trailers we've seen in season eight just like last week. There's once again, no dialogue and we basically just see a few characters and the reactions, we don't even really see their faces last week on this podcast we were able to analyze correctly, some of what was happening based on, sir. She's fischel expression, you're on spatial expression. We don't even have that this time. We see John and Davos, serving the carnage in king's landing, but kind of obscured by the smoke, we see Tyrian once again, looking concerned, I don't think it's really a surprise that any of these characters survived the destruction because no named character at this point is going to die off screen and then aria looks on at the unsullied under oath rocky. We do. See her face. She looks kind of as a continuation of how she finished last episode disturbed by what's going on. If there's a key moment from this trailer. I think that's it. Yeah, I agree. I think that the way that they placed aria in the middle of the destruction, and the way that they kept the camera on her for so long. It was really interesting to me. We'll talk about Ariella more later but she is just so long been in avatar for death and assassin killer. And it felt like there might have been a little bit of a turn in the last episode, particularly with her conversation with the hound where she turns away from pursuing, sir c and kinda sees whole of this horror. And I wonder if there will be a little bit of a change in her character in the final episode. I do think, though, that Ari hasn't just been an avatar for she's also in large segments of the show been an avatar for the audience like when Ned stark is beheaded. She's the character in the crowd, who's looking on, when we learn about the horrors, going on at Herron hall are stark is the character there through whose eyes we see the spectacle. So aria is the audience character once again, last episode, she's the one running through the streets and seeing all the frightened small folk, I think that is an important point when we talk about. Character changing, she's always sort of embodied that kind of audience, participatory character even this season two. When John denarius arriving king's landing. She's the one in the crowd moving on in the teaser. The next shot is of the doth Rockies celebrating, you know, a great victory for them. And then we get to nearest merging. She's got unsullied flinging her on each side, a sizable number of unsullied, and she's looking out in the city is still burning, and it's a very not that subtle shot near his swearing, the all black, that she wore in the battle, and the unsullied or in their dark colors, as well, and it really feels evil and we don't see her face. We don't see your face. We see the back of her, and we see she's got a lot of braids in her hair looks like she may have gotten her a, you know, another braid added for another victory in the doth Raqi tradition. There was a lot of discussion after episode five about what it meant that we didn't see Danny basically, at all after she made the decision to slow. Utter. The entire city after the bells rang, we see her face harden, and she flies off with drug on and from that point on, we don't see her face. I actually kind of liked that from a symbolic perspective. She was the dragon at that point. That was her emotional state, we didn't need to know anything more, and as the show runners discussed on the inside the episode segment. They really wanted to center, the victims experiences in that moment and not the perpetrators experiences in that moment you made a really good point on the night of too, where you said that deniro's, essentially just became the dragon, right? And I think that was important in the moment. But now that, that moment is over. I'm really curious to see what happens next does Danny think that she has succeeded in her goal. How will she react when people like John snow ask her why she did what she did will she think she needs redemption, or forgiveness, or is she so hardened at this point that she thinks what she did is right? And is perfectly fine for a ruler. In the tradition of west Rosie rulers. We don't have that many more other clues in this trailer. But there are a bunch of big questions to answer. Danny being the first one before the season began. We at the ringer had written series of more than forty pieces in which we identified what we call the loose ends from the series sort of the questions, we wanted the show to wrap up to feel a true sense of finality and closure. Obviously a lot of those haven't been and never will be answered in the show apologies to all the quake fans out there. But they're still some central questions. We think the show. Absolutely definitely one hundred percent needs to answer this week. So in this segment, we wanted to touch on them bit. First question about Danny. Does she die this week? I don't think there's any way that she doesn't. I know that this show is often about subverting expectations. I know that we don't expect a happy ending as Ramsey. So famously told us, but having nearest after she has gone through a full villain turn. She's. Full on villain. Now, rule in the end and win in the end would be too dark even for thrones. That's like voldemort winning. That's like Sar on winning deniro has died in this episode in the vein of subverting expectations. People might think, oh, well, everyone expects to die now. So it would be subverting expectations to make live, but take a step back from the broader narrative of the show, Danny has been built since the first episode of the series is one of the two twin heroes. It's her and John. She was framed in so many heroin, poses and lights, all throughout her conquering of Esso's. She came to western us at the indices in six that was the heroic. Alright the shows moving forward moment, so even if in the moment now we expect any to die from the broader time line of the show, it would be subverting expectations to kill that character at the end. So I think that's destined to happen in the thing, this subverting expectations is asked to serve a narrative point, right? Dany turning into the mad Queen serves appoint her. Living and winning and being a tyrant in the end doesn't the next question that results from this is kind of a spin off, when do we think the nearest is the final episode is eighty minutes. There's a lot to get to. We have to resolve the fallout from episode five we have to figure out who's ruling and what the governmental system, west rush looks like we have to figure out send-offs for all the various characters, we haven't sent off yet. Is there enough time for The Danny stuff to linger throughout most of the episode? I mean I don't think so. I think if I'm putting a bet on when she dies. I think it's right around minute forty right, at the halfway point, maybe even a little bit earlier. I just think that after the destruction someone in her camp will turn on her sooner rather than later, and essentially will assassinate her is my theory and the show just needs a lotta time to answer everything. You're saying wants Danny is dead. The question is now what and there needs to be time to answer that. And this is where I think the rushed pacing of the. In game is kind of disappointing because I probably agree with you, that they're going to end up killing her earlier, but it would be so strange for remember episode three. She helps defeat the army the dead episode four, she's angry at the end of it, but it's not like she's committed any acts of extreme villainy at that point. So it would basically be taking her in the span of one and a half episodes tops all the way over to the dark side, and killing her that seems to quick. So I wonder even with all of those fallout questions still to answer if The Danny parts don't linger until the second half of the episode because I don't think John is going to kill her right away. There have to be conversations had there have to be rationalizations and reckonings. I and I think that would linger, I think given the shot we see her in the trailer, stepping out in front of her unsullied. She might try a ruling for a bit before anything happens, and it would be. Almost more tragic if she ends up sitting the throne, but only momentarily, I think it even though it would make more sense to kill her off early and then leave more time for their civil later. There's a gut feeling that it might end up lasting. That's interesting. I just wonder how they would answer all the questions I do agree with you, though, I feel like especially once we get to a point where we're rewatching the show, the pacing is unbelievably fast. There's a whole re-cut version of this season where something like Tyrian freeing, Jamie last episode which happened, maybe twenty minutes in could be the end of an entire episode. If feels to me like the way that I would naturally cut this story, if I were doing it would be the deniro's would die at the end of one episode. And then you have another episode that deals with the fallout of all I completely agree and having it all happened in one episode is unbelievable. These are like, natural huge cliffhangers to end episodes on and they're just whipping through them. Three at a time in an episode. It's. Really something else. It occurs to me. I off handedly mentioned, if John kills her we're not so sure that John is going to be the one who kills her that leads the next question. What does John do last episode he committed to Danny when various approached him after he arrived on dragon stone, faira said you should take over? She is attorney. Gary, who knows what will happen. And John said. No, she is my Queen, but then the slaughter began, and John was, obviously concerned, he ended up fighting against some of his own troops, because they were carrying out were crimes and he couldn't abide by that. I can't see him still standing by dinners aside at this point. But I'm not sure if that means he's the one who ends up killing her Georgia Martin gave a quote that I've referenced a bunch in my written work this season, that the battle that he finds most interesting is fought in the human heart. John is fighting a battle inside his heart now. And I think that would be the most natural. Conclusion, but we also saw a lot of aria last episode, and there would be something symbolic about aria who killed the night king, then killing Danny allowing her to kill off both ice and fire. That is really symbolic. I, I was convinced that it would be aria immediately after Sunday's episode. But now I'm leaning more toward that. I think John will kill deniro's. He's been actually oddly sidelined the season when you think about it. You didn't have a ton to do in the bow for winter fell. He didn't have a ton to do in this last episode. He spent a lot of time telling deniro's how she's is Queen, and he loves her, and he doesn't want the thrown, but he hasn't done a hell of a lot else. And so, I feel like him being the one to finally break off from her, and kill her makes no sense to me. I also have spent time thinking about how even though John is not a member of the night's watch anymore. He did one swear. A vow to protect the realms of men and he has mostly lived up to that even. After leaving the night's watch, right? He's the one who leads the fight against the night, king, and the white walkers, and he does it to protect the many of the very people that Dinares just burned. So I think that he will return to those vows in some way, the separate symbolically, and ultimately be the one that has to kill the heiress for the greater good. Do you think there are any other possibilities like Tyrian could become the Queen slayer after his brother was the king slayer anything like that? Or are John and aria really the two main possibilities, there's always a chance, I think, with Tyrian, I don't think nearest will ever let cheering anywhere near her, again, in fact, I think it's likely that deniro's could even have carrion execute in this episode as we said one or two podcasts ago, because she will find out that he free Jamie, and that is a betrayal. And she said that the next time Tyrian failed her would be the last time he fails her so. I just don't know who else will have the opportunity has to be somebody who can get close to her. It's not like you're going to defeat her in battle. I don't think that there will be a battle this episode. And so that comes down to John as her romantic partner somewhat and, you know, as her kind of key ally, or aria with her faces man is essence skills, and I just see few others getting close enough to do the deed, the last central question. We want to discuss in this segment of the show is what is the story about I've been struggling with this question for weeks. And I think it looms over all the others. We just asked because the questions of who sits the thrown how to John and dinners interact. How does the series end the larger question in my mind is what each of these resolutions will say about this world in this story, we seem headed for really nyah Listrik ending? I wrote about that this week that deniers his turn Jamie's turned from Brian back to sir. See all of the. Pieces from season. Eight have hinted toward a tragic ending or as George Martin has always said his serious was going to end in a bittersweet fashion. That's kind of vague of horse, but we seem headed for a lot more bitter than sweet. And I don't really see a way out of that, if Danny's not going to die into the last episode. And if someone like John is going to be the one who has to do it. There's not really any sweetness there. I'm really unsure where the show is headed, but it has me concerned about what the ultimate message and moral of the story will be because it's been giving lessons all series long and it could end on a pretty somber. Yeah. I think it will ultimately be bittersweet at best. Let's say, maybe even tragic, I mean, I think part of this is that I feel that Benny often ways are less concerned with fee, Matic, consistency and more concerned with big moments in the spectacle, and everything else that drives things that are legitimately very cool about the show. But something like Jamie going back to search. He is totally antithetical to John than turning onto nearest kind of means that the show is a whole, maybe is on one hand, presenting multiple themes, which could be complex nuance and interesting or is just getting muddled fanatically. I agree muddled is the word I was thinking of two. Let's move on to the theory of the week for the section. It's not really a theory. We're going to discuss more of just focusing on one of the questions even more. And that's what happens to the throne. The show is called the game of thrones the credits for season. Eight have ended on a shot of the iron throne in king's landing what happens to it. And I what happens to the center of power physically in west rose. I think there are a couple of options, right? It could stay where it is, if the iron throne somehow survived Danny's assault on king's landing, it could have been destroyed or it could be moved if king's landing, they realize is. Unsalvageable especially if dinner says no longer ruling and it's not a tar Garin in charge. Maybe they move it. I'm not sure which of these options is the favourite. What do you think my favorite is that it's destroyed or otherwise just disposed of in some way, I think, on the conquerors chug, Aryan dynasty is at a complete end at this point. Even if John is to take the crown, I just don't know if the throne really has place so physically. I feel like I, I actually expect more for there to be independent kingdoms, or some kind of council that presides over restaurants, but not really a central monarchy anymore. I have a sneaking suspicion that, that might end up moving the capital city to winter fell. That'd be weird. I would have a lot of problems with that one being that this, the politics of the series have always been first and foremost, king's landing is the capital, not just because a gone landed there. But because it is an. Advantageous geographic city whereas winter fell has no water access. It's not centrally located it's in the north, I think, through it'd be a lot of problems if they moved there, but I kind of have a sneaking suspicion they do because it's not like they're any really remaining characters who consider king's landing home. I mean, that would fit well with my idea presented last episode that science could win the throne. Exactly as the biggest problem, probably with that theory is that I don't think Santa wants anything to do with anything south ever again. Yeah. And I think she is one of the favorites for who sits the throw, and let's run through those candidates as we figure out, not just where the throne will be, but who will be seating, it first choice who you mentioned Asanga who I wouldn't consider the odds on favourite at this point, but is a pretty good choice given that of all the remaining candidates, she has exhibited ruling prowess. She has people who love and support, and respect her. She has an a seat of. Power at this point. What do you think are the chances that she ends up ruling, and what would be the disadvantages? So if there's any single person, I think could end up on the throne at the end of the series, I would pick Santa. I just think that she is the right combination of political know-how and cunning with empathy in actual, caring about people part of the problem is, as we said, she probably does not wanna go south king's landing again. She has talked about how Starks do not fare. Well, when they go south, I really think that she's more concerned with an independent north and protecting her home than anything else. I don't know if she necessarily desires to rule, and then just from a storytelling perspective. I think that if the end result of this season was that sauna is going to sit the throne, even though they have done work to portray her as intelligent and competent this season. I think they would have made her a little more tactful, a little more just likable, a little less antagonistic toward characters like Danny John because. 'cause I feel like if she were to end up on the turn at the end that would be very polarizing for a lot of people, and it would have been easy to make her dialogue this season. Just a little less cold the way that it has been, I think it would bring her arc to a really satisfying conclusion, though, because back in season, one, the difference between aria and our his sister was that Sansa believed in the ideas of lords and ladies she wanted to marry Joffrey. It'd be the Queen, but not the queen's ruled the Queen to supply, Joffrey babies and live in the capital. It would be really cool. If that idea is almost turned on its head where she rejects the notion that she's going to bear anyone else a child, and she's the Queen just for herself. I think that would be a pretty powerful message at the end, also, it would be kinda neat. If aria saves everyone by killing the night king, and maybe killing Danny, and then that allow us onset to take over there'd be a good sisterly bond there. So I think if anyone's likely to sit the throne sciences, a pretty good choice. What about? John. Yeah. I mean he's the obvious choice. Right. He is literally the heir to the iron throne. The rightful heir, people are gravitated toward him as they've shown in this season, people like him. They want him to lead want him to rule. I don't know though, I think, you know, and he says he doesn't want it. I think he really doesn't want, you know, they've presented in the show to this point, the idea that a king who doesn't want to be king might actually be the best leader of all them, but I think that Jon just won't accept the crown in any way. What do you think the counterpoint to that, of course, is that John didn't wanna be lurched commander than I watch? And then when people told him he should be. He said, okay. I'll be alerts commander, then he didn't wanna be king in the north. And after people told him to become northeast at okay, I'll be king. So he has a history of doing that sort of thing on the other hand, if this series ends with John taking over first of all, it would support the idea of a hereditary genetic. Dynasty, which I think it's steering away from and second. I just can't imagine them. Successfully pivoting from his love dying in this episode to John taking the throne Georgia Martin has talked about how one of the things that interested him in writing this series in the first place. Was that in Lord of the rings the spoilers for Lord of the rings? But it ends and then era, Gordon becomes king and George Martin wonders. Okay. But just because he's a good man. That doesn't mean he's a good. King what we're as tax policies cetera, etc. If the series ends like that, that's putting the realm in a really precarious position because John would probably not be in the right emotional state to rule. And I don't see them ending that way. There's also a, a lot of evidence at this point that even though people are drawn to John. He might not actually be a good leader or king. He does get stabbed by his night's watch brothers. He you know is basically on the losing side of multiple battles before he's saved the. The end in he's just like Huck very good at reading a room and playing politics or really doing any of that stuff. I don't know that John would be good at king. I agree. Next someone we can probably agree, wouldn't make a good ruler. But it's still candidate is denarius, who we've been talking about as doomed, and she is not dead, yet, she is probably going to assert, her Queen ship at the beginning of this episode. Is there a chance? She ends up as the ruler at the end of the series Tyrian once told deniro in season seven that talking about certainty. Fear is also see has. It's all my father had saw Joffrey had it makes her power, brittle because everyone beneath them wants to see them dead. And yet deniro's in the last episode claimed how she intends rule which was let it be fear. I think at this point in heiresses power is very very brittle. And I do not think the show will end on the note of her ruling with that power, although it occurs to me that may. Dinner succeeded in. She wanted to break the wheel and she so totally ruined her own chance at the throne, and destroyed king's landing that maybe the iron throne will move locations, and it will change the entire governmental system of west coast. So good job Danny it worked out in the end. Next up is Tyrian. Is there any chance that Tyrian who basically led king's landing when he was the hand of the king, who basically led marine when Danny was off in the doth rocky? See is there a chance he assumes control one of the things. But Tyrian is that the west Rosie realm doesn't know any of that stuff about him, they think that he is the little monster dwarf, who murdered Joffrey murdered Taiwian, and then ran off to help the Queen who ended up burning king's landing, I think he'd face significant obstacles to becoming king. And he also as we've discussed before has been taken a lot of losses. Recently hasn't had a. Smart strategic move, and a while, I think, Tyrians arc is perhaps the most perplexing to me. Like I have an idea of where Danny might end up by Evan idea of where John might end up, I have an idea of where sunset and RAM I'd end up I have no idea about Tyrian because he's kind of been plotting along for a while, affirming his belief in Darris, but not actually believing in it, obviously last episode looks like the final straw for him. But I don't know where that leaves him because unlike John, he's not really able to do anything about that physically, if I had to guess I think that it will be dearest, executes Tyrian in this episode, and he becomes kind of the final tragic figure of deniro, PSS mad Queen turn. And then in turn, John or our air somebody else ends up killing deniro's, and then we deal with the fallout. Next up. Kendari gandhari. I'm szeswith Gandhari, taking the throne gingery actually has targeted heritage. So. House breath, Ian was founded by a person who is thought to be a target sayin bastard. But the house has more. Recent tar gain heritage than that Robert Barath, Ian grandmother, was rail. Tar Aaron herself, the youngest daughter of a gone, the fifth, and so that makes Ganji related to deniro and John. He is deniro says second cousin once removed he is John's third cousin and together. Those three are the only three people with provable target Syrian blood. The dragon has three heads. So whether you follow the Iraqi in line that Robert established at the end of his rebellion or heiresses target Syrian line or really a on the conquers charge, Aaron line if deniro's dies and John refuses the throne, the next air is gantry, all lines lead back to him. So could he take the throne? I think it's possible. That would be remarkable Gandhari. I guess I was wrong before. When I said, nobody left really as a connection to king's landing Kendrick us, that's true. You go even though he for some reason said his bastard name was rivers and not waters, he's from king's landing, and what a cell phone that would be from Damaris, if she ends up legitimising him, and that allows him to end up taking the throne after I'm not convinced just because I'm not sure if those lines really matter at this point, yet to be clear. I don't think that this is happening, but it's fun to, to talk about even dinner doesn't really have control of the iron throne right now because of her bloodline. She has control of the throne because she has armies in a dragon. And that's where this kind of runs into some funny business, sir. C didn't have any claim on the throne, but she had power, and she took it, and that's what happens in this world. So I don't think they're going to end up climbing back up a few rungs. The family tree to figure that out for Gandhari but it'd be a pretty funny result. Right. Kendrick grew up in flea bottom. He never knew his father Robert he is no armies is no leadership experience. He's probably not even literate. So the idea that he would take the throne is an extremely tough sell. But the seeds of it are there, the last contender will get to is brand stark who was the preseason betting favorite. If you look that Vegas odds a lot of that I think was of the belief that he was connected to the night, king that ship has sailed by brand stark is still an option to lead. And I think back to episode four where we got all that discussion about the best ruler is someone who doesn't want to rule in that episode brand specifically tells Tyrian I don't want to rule winter fell. That's not who I am anymore. So let's go to that scenario. You mentioned Danny dies. John abdicates. They're searching for ruler. Deteriora-. If he's not dead. Remember back to that conversation think, hey, I know a guy and he knows everything. So I don't we pick him man. I believe he's still the betting favourite too. And I just I hate this scenario so much feels like it really hasn't been set up in this season, in any of the past seasons is the best ruler. Someone who doesn't want the throne or someone who literally doesn't want anything barely knows who he is it. It just doesn't make any sense to me. But given the Vegas odds. Gosh, it it feels like it could happen. And I'm very scared about it. The thing about brand taking control to isn't just that it would feel like it lacked foreshadowing. I have no idea what message that would send because they've actively avoided brench storyline for large parts of the show. They cut him out of an entire season. They haven't explained a lot of how magic works. I don't know if he even has a role to play in the finale. So it'd be a pretty large swing to go from that to hey brand. You're in charge. He has no. Leadership abilities. Either people barely wanna talk to him. He can barely hold a conversation because he's so stuck in the past, he's supposed to preside over all of west Rosen rule. I just cannot imagine how they could make this work and make it feel satisfying. It is so bizarre to me that this seems to be the prevailing theory, the betting favourite and everything else. I just ate it eight this idea. So if none of those options come through there is the field. I don't know if there any individuals we haven't mentioned yet, who you think have a chance, but then there's also some sort of democratic vote, there are precedents for this in west coast, even though the actual iron throne has never really worked democratically. The night's watch has a democratic vote. That's how John became Lord commander. The iron islands has the kings moot tradition, which basically allows different contenders to make campaign promises and then curry favour recruit voters. And that's a show of strength. Western says also had on occasion, great councils, where there's a dispute over does this tar Garin take the throne, or does this targeting, and take the throne, and they've assembled high Lord, sit aside, who they want to lead them? That's less democratic because not everyone gets vote. It's sort of feudalistic, but they still get to choose their king. Do you think any of these options see more likely than a specific individual taking the throne, I think of version of the grand council, but instead of them, choosing king them, choosing to rule or preside over west roast themselves as a group makes sense to me. I don't think that west rose is not going to have democracy guys yet you have to go through a lot of different steps before he can get people voting. Most of these peasants can't even read. So I think that you could have something like Sanga represents the north and Yaar represents the iron islands, and, you know, Tyrian in the Westerlund Sam, in the reach Gary in the store. Moans and so on and have all of these different regions represented at grand council that then works together to keep peace and facilitate different governmental matters that were once dealt with centrally. But now as a system that's almost kind of like a Republic, I can't believe when you were mentioning the various representatives, you forgot about the new prince of Dohrn that absolutely. Yeah. The unnamed Dornoch prints, I've got them all written out right here. I think that you could have the far north with no wall anymore represented by torment. You could have Edward totally, if wherever he is in the river lands could have Robin Aaron in the Vale Tyrian from the westerns, really the one. I struggle with is who takes over the crown Lynn's, perhaps, John. He's kind of the only person I have there, there's no one else with a good connection there that isn't already taken up somewhere else. But it is interesting to me that so many of these regions seem to have one person that represents them. And I think that, that would then represent a breaking of the wheel as we've talked about. Way that really makes sense. Davos could take the Kremlin's he hasn't lived in king's landing for years, but that's where he hails from. He was the son of a crab or become the equivalent of a Senator, that would be a pretty good rise for him. I think the independent kingdoms idea, probably makes the most sense. I wish like we talked about earlier, if they were to come to that conclusion, it wouldn't happen right at the end because I'm kind of curious to see how that works. And I can't imagine they'll have too much time to dive into the inner workings of that new system yet, but I could see someone like Tyrian coming up with this system. Maybe Sam finds something about that in his books and that seems a pretty reasonable solution to me to this, overarching question. Who wins the game of thrones? It could be a bunch of people at once and that, and I didn't mention brand among all those people, but I could see brand having a big role on council like this as the person who sees everything. And maybe that's where those odds come from, as we said, upset, six spin, so secret. Give perhaps something got out there about brand playing a major role in the endgame. The post game of thrones west coast, but not as king, perhaps, as like the person who presides over the council, the intern presides over west dravis, let's move onto the next segment, which is key to the game where we each pack specific person, or people who will be crucial this next episode and three reasons why Riley who is your key player. So we've already talked about him quite a bit. But it's Jon snow. You may have heard that he's actually the air to the iron throne, all of west rose will probably here soon, because I think that various got a lot of those letters away in the last episode and so de Niro will have to deal with an entire realm that knows that John is the rightful heir whether that even matters anymore and John will also have to deal with it. How will he act if everybody knows what is family role is supposed to be we've talked about how he will deal with deniro's and. Whether he will be able to stand by her as she committed such an atrocity or whether he will remember that his duty is to the realm. He is, you know, it truly empathetic person who cares about everyone. And whether he will turn on her or not turn on her and finally John story as we said, hasn't progressed, a whole lot this season. He wrote a dragon kind didn't have a big impact on him dragging died real fast. And I think that this will be the episode where he will play a central role, his decision regarding Harris regarding the realm. The throne west rose, all of it will be at the heart of this episode I'm going little meadow with my pet, but I'm allowed to do that. It's our podcast and it's the last pre capitals. So here we go. My key players are David. Benny off in db Weiss. I because as we mentioned there, directing, they said in the Entertainment Weekly feature that they did it this way because they didn't trust anyone else to execute their specific vision for the finale and that's understandable. Given the stakes here. But it's also a lot of pressure onto relatively unfamiliar directors compared to like migos passionate. Who's the battle guy and directed episodes? Three and five this season, number two is I think a lot of the problems that have come since they ran out of George Martin's material stem from there knowing the end point, but not quite how to get there. They had to backfill essentially, and that's why some of the plot choices don't make as much sense sort of seem to be lacking direction. But if the stumbles came from the journey, we're at the end now so theoretically, that's the part, they're better prepared to show on screen. That's the part. They say they have discussed with Martin. We don't know exactly how well one ending will translate to the other if the show will directly, equal, the books or not. And they've said they're not going to tell us so as not to spoil the books, but I'm really curious to see if now that they have firmer ground to stand on their able to stick the landing a little bit better than they have the. Far leading up to it. And the third reason is in that Entertainment Weekly piece Benny off had a quote that I've been thinking about a lot ever since I went back and reread it, which is a good story. Isn't a good story. If you have a bad ending, now there's a lot more discussion to be had about how Sunday might change the legacy of the show. But I think it does start there this season hasn't been all disappointment. I don't think like episode was great. I really liked elements of episode four and episode five, but this is the big one that can't mess it up. I'm not saying like if this episode is bad, and that has to change how we think about the winds of winter and hard home in the red wedding. But it will have an impact in the directors. No, it will I'm really curious what they have in store knowing how large the stakes are not just in the world of the show. But in the world surrounding the show, too. Yeah, I'm with you. I feel like this is just crucial to see those stick the landing or not. Or at least it'll be fascinating to see what it was that they. Felt the need to work up to in the way they did. And finally, will make some predictions are last predictions of the season, the last predictions of the series will offer one that we think will happen and one that we want to happen amid all the other things we want to see happen, this episode rally. What do you think is going to happen? So we've kind of already hit this quad deal. But I think that there is no thrown at the end west rose returns to independent kingdoms with or without council. But some sort of system where there is much more time between the different regions, and that will mean that Danny succeeded in breaking the wheel, she did it just not remotely in the way that she thought she would Zach. What do you think will happen? I'm going to go very narrowly for the end of the show. I'm fascinated by how series finale is fade to black, essentially what they choose to end on what their last line is, and that's kind of how they want to be remembered. So I have two ideas for shots that could mysterious maybe they both will appear. But one of them is John walking off into the snow with ghost. His departure in episode. Four felt really disappointing the excuses that the directors made about, oh this. I wouldn't really work. We felt it was more powerful this way, fall so flat that I wonder if there's some misdirection they're like, actually they didn't film a heartfelt goodbye. Because John Wilsey ghost again and his conversation with torment about belonging. In the north, I think could pay off in this episode. John maybe kills in Arras is emotionally. Distraught wants to be done with power advocates thrown and just wanders off with ghost to try and rebuild up north. I think that's the end for his Arca would predict. And then the second one is something we've talked about before, which is Sam becoming the person who writes a game of thrones the story. So I think the last shot of the series would be Sam pulling out some fresh, parchment dip in his quilt into some ink and scrawling either the words, a game of thrones or the words, a song of ice and fire and starting to write credits roll, and that would be the final shot series. I love both of those so much. I think it'll be a song of ice and fire, not a game of thrones that he writes, but John Sam book ending the series, be perfect. Do you think there's any chances like some time jump, and it's old Sam writing down his memories and old, same as George Martin. Well, George said that he turned down a cameo in this season that could just be misdirection. I thought that it could end that way. I would love if it did. But I feel like it actually might be hard because that becomes to meta in terms of his inability to finish a song of ice and fire that would be sad, right? It'd be it'd be more sad than it would be triumphant. So I think that they can't do it that way, it has to be current Sam doing it. What do you want to happen? Decides perhaps George Martin appearing. I want aria to get us as fighting ending aria at this point is my favorite character her the way that she has been written on the show this season has been for me by far the highlight of the season. I feel like she returned to the old REO. We knew and loved and not the no one assassin that wasn't as interesting for the last couple of seasons. And so I want her to get the conclusion that will be satisfying for her when she was roaming. The, the smoking Ashley streets of king's landing last episode. She looked like she was filled with purpose as we noted. And I wonder if she decides that she want wanna be a killer anymore. She's wanting to be an assassin as she turned away from that when talking with the hound will she actually want to help people wish you want to build, not destroy? I think that there are a lot of possibilities here. I really don't know what her endgame is. It's less clear than almost anyone else. She wants told lady crane in season six. Six that was the actress that she was supposed to kill that season that she wondered what is west of west coast, that's led to a lot of speculation that maybe aria sales west. Maybe she goes exploring or maybe she doesn't go west, but she goes east back to Bravo's just anywhere other than west rose. You know, she told the hound when they were coming south to king king's landing that she didn't expect to ever return to winter fell, and maybe she never does more than anyone else. Her place doesn't seem like it's in west roasts, or in winter foul, and could be elsewhere. I just really have no idea what she'll do not going to go be injuries lady. She's not going to go hang out with her sister. I don't know. I just hope it satisfying, but she's the character. I'm most interested in given that we seem to have no indication, which way her and will go. And that's one of the things that fascinates me in stories is the idea of someone achieving something relatively young and then having the whole rest of their life to look forward to. Area is I think what she's supposed to be eighteen or nineteen at this point, and she killed the night, king literally, the biggest thing she could ever do. And now she has the rest of your life. It's the Princess bride line. I've been in the revenge business for so long. I don't know what to do with my life anymore. And aria of all people really has question to answer what I want to happen is a lot wearing bishops. I think because requires a lot more moving parts. I want an ounce -ment about the winds of winter and it's release state I am. Sure, this is not going to happen. Yeah. Good luck with that one. There was a cockamamie theory this week. I believe started by the actor who played barest and sell me claiming that he had heard from someone who had heard from someone that George Martin had actually finished book, six and seven and HBO was making him. Wait until after the show is over to release it. That's not true. George wrote a blog post this week titled idiocy on the internet specific. Weekly to refute such claims by. He's been working on winds of winter for a while. I'm not sure if you're aware, and I think that one might be approaching soon even if it's not going to happen, this summer. I want an update about winds of winter. Because if there's anything that this final season has shown is that the show runners really missed his hand did get a lot of grief for what's happened at the end of the series. And a lot of it is deserved. But they were good at adapting good material, and I want to return to that. Come on George give me an announcement. Please. I do think that most of his recent updates may be since the turn of the calendar year have been generally positive about wins. Maybe that's perhaps reading too much into it as wishful. I know at a certain point you go so far, down the rabbit hole in read, so many tea leaves that you just run yourself in circles, we probably won't get wins until twenty twenty-five. There was that thing from one or two summers ago where it seemed like he was about to make an announcement. I remember you. And I started talking about okay, which. One of us is going to blog if the announcement comes, and then it was about, like one of his fire and blood or wildcard series. I think it was a wild cards, one fire and blood, at least a little bit exciting. Well, that's it for us this time. 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The Game of thrones Feedback Show | Season 8, Episode 02: A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

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The Game of thrones Feedback Show | Season 8, Episode 02: A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

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Check out truecar today. True cash offer not available in all areas. Game of thrones season eight episode number two is over. But we're just getting started opening up your feedback from this week's show here on the game of thrones post show recap. And now here that you guys who are comfortably podcasting from the crypts blow winter fell I am robs the street here with Josh wig ler. I hear it safe in the creates we'd my. We might have soup in braids. Search good acoustics down here in cribs hits. Crabby WI fi signal. Oh my goodness. Signals going to be pretty strong for the night king. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. I'm sure we'll get into the crypts of it all in due due time here on this podcast. But in the meantime, I have to say I'm a little disappointed that you didn't start this podcast by officially night in me as night Astor of the seven microphones. That's right. Well, any podcast or night another podcast that it goes without saying how by the time. This series is done expecting some knifings around here. Yes. Call me a podcast, sir. Yeah. Podcasts. Oh my God. It's from podcast. Sure. I believe I remember correctly. Yes. Josh little no, no rule there that any night could night another night. I had no idea. But I'm glad that it's you know, it's not real then at least it was very convincing job. Why you think Jamie was just messing with not like he's messing with her? But like they're all going to die. She's never going to know. Do you think that Jamie actually did have the thirty to do that? I wonder I mean, they were all like at least a little bit sloshed. Right. So like, maybe just like half drunk, Jamie. And it's just like, you know, screw that. That's right. It's really it's such B S that Brienne Cam, I'm gonna Neider I'm gonna night or right now, you know, just like maybe it was something like that. Maybe he was just like half out of his mind and felt like it. Now's the time. Let's just do a bold move. He seemed a little dazed in the moment. Anyway, I don't know. I would have to go back, and I would have to look. Look through the book and see if a night can night another night. But it was a great night a great night of game of thrones. With the Brienne of it, all and so many fantastic things. Loved this episode fan fan excited to get into everything as we look backwards towards Sunday night, but we can't help. But look ahead to the battle that we are expecting in the forecast on what should be very cold and blustery winter night at winter fell on Sunday. Yeah. A lot no surprise that most of our feedback. I would say this forward-looking. I think there's this was a great episode. Another very talky episode of game of thrones. There's some things that happened this week that people are going to be writing in about maybe surprise people aren't writing in about some of the big standout moments of the episode as much as they are looking ahead. Like not a lot about Brienne not a ton about aria and gantry. But I think that. I think a lot of that speaks for itself. I think this was an episode written by Brian Cockman who is one of the longtime producers and writers on game of thrones. Where believe is often talked about as sort of like the walking talking Wikipedia, the Wikki of ice and fire on set a real true fan of the material and somebody who loves these characters deeply, and I take no surprise that coming from the mind of that particular writer that this was a a real love letter to the characters this episode end should come. As no surprise that. We have in episode with this kind of energy considering where we seem to be going episode three. It's the longest episode of the season. In terms of running times can be eighty two minutes long. It comes from Gail potch, Nick who is the director of hard home and battle of the bastards. So it's safe to assume that next week there. I don't I don't think that there's going to be any rugs being pulled out from under us in terms of the content and the structure of the episode. I do believe we are getting that wall to wall battle sequence not at the wall. But at Windsor foul so for. This one to be a lot more of a character. Rich intimate quiet affair makes a lot of sense to me. And makes just as much sense that most people are now wondering what's coming next. Where are we going after all of this? Okay. So it's a fischel to say that the table is set we are ready to eat. And so might be many of the whites as well. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're maybe they're going to be feasting on whatever what was cooking at the soup station that Davos was maybe for fermented crab. Maybe everybody's just going into this battle rock-hard. Yeah. They don't like boring snacks either the whites. No, they. That's right. True. Right. Okay. So Josh, we have been inundated with feedback questions of voicemails tweets talking about this. Of course that I would be remiss if I did not mention all of your outstanding coverage that you have filed so far today on the Hollywood reporter. Mr. T H, R dot com slash game of thrones. I anything in particular you want to highlight. Josh what have what have I done is just a question, I asked myself often, but what have I written about recap that's up on T HR dot com slash game of thrones wrote about the aria stuff wrote about the Brienza seen which I really loved. I've been doing a lot of the forward-looking stuff as well. I've written my predictions of who I think will die in this upcoming episode. I've written out all people that you say that you name. On that. You think will not make it out of this episode? You have the list handy. I do have handy. Yeah. You can just name them off you go. Josh wig layer is projecting the following characters. Do not make it to Monday. They are in Josh's particular order grey, worm misunder Giora more Moremon, the little girl Teela who went into the crypts Gillian and Sam I think either I know you like to stay on the odd numbers, but that feels like the not fair to baby Sam that he has to share with Kelly. Back. Maybe man selling yourself short. Aren't you just felt better for felt better? Varis you say well, not make it out. Deloris Ed the Loris ghost. Ghost is a supplemental. Goes should be somebody's plus one phone call. I got a lot of heat on Sunday night. I thought that was already dead. Yeah. Ghost is one of the only ones still kicking around. We'll talk about ghost. What time wackos Padre pain Serbian of tar Burke done dairy in theon, Andre joy and brand stark. Yeah. The brand the brand comes with a bit of an asterisk for for me as well. I think that we're going to get like some some obi-wan-kenobi hijinks going on with brand. Like, I think I think our time with with creepy stares directly into your soul is a Chem said right brand may be coming to an end. But I feel like brand wargin. Either into the we're would trees or working into a dragon and coursing through the veins of west roasts that way I feel like I thought brand will continue, but his physical form is about to take a take a hike. Okay. Joshua. Where do you want to kick off the feedback show this week? I mean, I think that that's. Kind of the topic. Does your the alongside the soup dish? Or that? Davos is serving is a lot of people who loved this episode, but a lot of questions about where we're going next, and this is from Surprenant of house Fizi who is very very helpful in rallying the realm and getting this feedback show together Brendan wrote in and said that I loved everything the show did to reinvest us with every character and the relationships to the story. And I think we're gonna lose a lot of people next week. There's only six characters I would guarantee our one hundred percent off the board is safe and going to live in that is Danny John Sansa Jamie to hound aria. And that's not even Tyrian. I would guarantee to make it out. A similar sentiment is expressed by Zach not Brooks Zach writes in and says overall, I really enjoyed episode two. It captures the build up a fear and uncertainty that occurs when entering any extraordinary situation. Let alone and all out war. Versus the dead. And I felt like the show provided some sort of closure for many of the main characters theon, Brienne, aria, Jamie, etc. I took it as the writers implying that everyone is now expendable from the hints that were provided in this episode. Who do you think gets got in episode three? So we've listed out. Rob who I think may go at this week. And I'm sure that I will be wrong on many if not most laps even all of those fix who. Are you looking at as unsafe ending into episode three who are the people that are paying the most on your radar? So I think that you did a really good job of capturing the people the candidates that are marked for Vic shin. But I think I'd be very surprised if we lost that number of characters. I mean, we still have three episodes left of the show. I'll be three extended length episodes of the show. So if we tied up that much on Sunday. I think that might be a little bit of a over promise. Yeah. One thing that I am thinking about and this is another another article. I wrote recently was there is such a fatalistic quality about episode three. And I think episode two does a lot of work to get us there. I think night at the seven kingdoms really makes us feel like we're being allowed some moments of happiness because this will be it in terms of happiness for the foreseeable future. And I think that's probably the likelier scenario. But I also started thinking about game of thrones has made a name for itself on killing off fan favorite characters and killing big characters and doing it in heartbreaking ways at unexpected times. But I think even even more than that what game of thrones became or why game of thrones became this insatiable. It became was. Because it would it would to borrow from big, brother. I believe this is a big brother. Prism is expect the unexpected. Right. That is the thing. And I think that that is more of the deal for me about when game of thrones is great. It's because they are offering something that makes a lot of sense on reflection. But maybe isn't your first instincts, and I've been saying for honestly like a year and a half or so now for for a little while for a couple of seasons, you know, from the from the jump of season seven, I would I would say that I feel like the endgame of game of thrones to some degree. There is an element of predictability about like certain characters who feel like they're going to go certain outcomes that feel like they're going to transpire, and who the hell am I to see that game of thrones is going to end predictably, and I think coming into this huge battle episode. I think we should expect we're going to lose people. There's just no way we're not gonna lose some people. But maybe we're not going to lose a crazy amount of people. Maybe we're not going to lose a lot of people. Maybe we're just going to lose a few key people and I was thinking back to season. Kevin. And I was thinking back to beyond the law episode that is not favored looked upon favor- favorably by a lot of people, and we went we went into that episode thing that a lot of people were going to get killed off. And really just throws of MIR's. The only guy who lose a bunch of red shirts, and then the big whammy of vissarion. And that's not even somebody that's on the radar to lose in an episode like that that's the windy. So what's the whammy heading into episode three this week? What would be the big unexpected turn? And I wonder if the big unexpected turn is maybe we win. Maybe me, maybe the white walkers get killed maybe the Nike and gets killed. Maybe we finish the white walkers threat here an episode three and the back half of the season is dealing with a whole bunch of other stuff. I don't think it's impossible. I think it's not terribly likely. But I think it's the kind of thing that we would not be expecting. And because of that it makes me wonder if that is what we should. Would expect like is that the unexpected that we should expect. That's a good theory. I maybe I mean, I don't know what it looks like for the show if they lose winter fell also so. You know, HBO has been releasing these twenty or so minute documentaries on YouTube every Monday after the episode, you should you seeking those out if you're already they're really entertaining. Very funny at times, really informative. Not just about story. Frankly, less about story than than it is informative about the production in the scale of the production. And they spent a lot of time in the one for this episode going into the grandeur details of what it took to bring the new sprawling set for winter fell to life. And it makes a lot of sense why they needed to grow and expand winter fell because episode three is obviously going to have to utilize a lot of different space. There's so much character work that's going to be going on with this big sprawling action scene. But are they going to invest all that money just to destroy a winner? Phil and episode three. Or are. We just gonna lose winter fell at episode three. Some wondering about it from that kind of meta perspective as well. I don't know. I don't know where I land on it. I think like gun to my head. I would say that we're gonna lose just because the odds are so firmly against us. And there's still so much time left on the clock up. And I just I just wonder and I wonder if it's worth wondering about what if we win. What if Tyrian is right? I think we might live. What if we do? Yeah. I mean, I think it's actually easier for me to envision the second half of the season. If they do win as opposed to view the second half of the season, if they lose the battle of winter fell for this call the battle of winter fell. What are we call this? There's no episode title yet, which is a nice lead into this. Next question. We'd gotten from berry who says I think it's pretty clear that at some point next week. The battle of winter fell will be lost with that. Do you think that one of the reasons the episode title has not been revealed yet is because next week's title is the fall of winter fell or maybe the first coming for the first episode of the season was called winter fell. What if the third episode was called see we told you winter down, or if it's like winter fell with fell underlined in bolted in italics is what about winter fell fell winter fell foul. I like that. I still miss the Ocho. The episode titles are not being revealed until after the episodes have aired that is just a rule that clearly is in place for this season. So there's no special reason that episode three hasn't had its title revealed anymore than why we didn't get them in the previous episodes. So nothing specific about episode three in so far, as you know, there's just that same sort of specific energy and guidance and. That same kind of rule that is sweeping this final season that they're really playing things ready close to the vest here. But I don't I don't know. I don't know what next week's episode will be called. But I do think the fall of winter fell would require, you know, really a massive calling the cast which is why we're going to lose people. I think we're gonna lose a lot. But if if not then like, I don't know because we have to get people to new places from there. And so what is that going to look like we're going to see people like on the kings road. We're going to see people on the open sea. We're going to be spending a lot of time in king's landing, and then suddenly will people show up there. So I kind of do agree that I almost feel like the rest of the season makes more sense. If maybe we win the battle of winter fell a large swath of white walkers and whites are destroyed, and maybe the night king is somehow able to escape and that remains a threat for the for the back off season. Yeah, I have seen a lot of traction for that idea. Perhaps the night king may not be with the infantry. Yeah. That's a question that we got from Chris from New York who wrote in and said, what do you think of the possibility that the night king won't actually show up to Windsor fill in the coming battle? It seems too simple that he would just show up for brand and exposed himself. Yikes. He could ride vegetarian to king's landing and destroy the red keep this would fulfill Danny's visions in the house of the undying where she saw a snow filled throne room with love to hear your thoughts and apologies for bringing up carp, which I we appreciate the apology. Yeah. I mean, I think that Danny walking through the throne room and snow being on the ground was not like a hallucination. It's not just a vision. That's that's the future. We have to see something caused that. And it could be the night king going to king's landing and blowing a hole through the great hall of the red keep and snow falling in that way. It could be. Some form of mad Queen generis going nuclear on king's landing and really coming for C that way and she's walking through snow Pakalitha Perron making. We know that it's Windsor in west rose anyway. So no white walkers required to cause the snowfall. I don't know. I feel like re episodes without the Nike would be a lot at this point. I feel like we're gonna get you're selling this episode. I I like it. You know, if that's the development that it takes. That's the turn it takes. I think it'll it'll be fun. But I think I'm just going to I'm going with the straightforward thing. And I think that the Nike is gonna show up personally. Yeah. I mean, I think it'd be a lot of f on brands face not gone tar, Gary, and but it would brands like, oh, no, he he I know what he wants. He wants me. And so I'll go over there. And then he'll he'll come and find me because that's what he wants. And then to find that that he not only does he not want brand. But he's nowhere to be found. I do think that for all knowing three eyed raven. I think that that is not a great spot on his resume. Feels like it would be good news for theon grades, ROY. Yeah. The night kings not there. You would think. So I feel like that's to me that to me though is. The reason why I would have a hard time selling. A big reason why I would have a hard time. Not seeing the night king showing up in this episode because I think that is a little on the nose right now that the I'm great joy is going to get killed. Yeah. Obviously like, I feel like putting a signing theon to the mission to guard the three eyed raven with the night came on the way really feels like us just like taking the team giving us a week to get ready for great joy to being viciously viciously killed. But I think it makes a lot of sensitive character. I think it makes a lot of sense for like the redemptive moment the full circle moment for theon to be. This was the guy who tried to capture. Windsor fell was a super coward about all that created a hell of his own making couldn't face down gray. Joy who at the time seemed like the worst monster in the world. He's now found his courage. He's found his inner strength, and we'll see him like go up against literally the deadliest creature and all of west rose with no fear. In his heart and get killed for it like that that feels like a fulfillment of the theon arc. So that to me is why feel like it would be a real misdirect to to not have the Nike income that. But I don't know maybe expect the unexpected I should listen to my own advice. What about Sansa theon romance? I did see a lot of chatter online about that. Fun to in this like when these game of thrones episodes are on there is like a lot of like sorting out the wheat from the chaff in of these internet theories. Yeah. I don't know. I don't see it. Honestly, I think that the stance are connected over the Ramsey stuff there, obviously, deeply bonded, they were both traumatized by the same individual. I think the on probably will be very excited to hear about how Santa fede Ramsey two dogs. I'm sure he's pumped about that that he's he's gonna joy that story quite a bit. But I didn't see any any real romance between him. I I saw kind of like a meeting of the minds between these two survivors, whose experiences meant a lot to each other. I don't see anything beyond that. I mean, there's so many articles on Twitter and theories, can I give you my least favorite or most favorite. If the all time worst denied, if I do you mind, if I mentioned what publication it's yeah. This comes to us. This was in one of my news aggregating today. This comes to us from elite daily elite not reading daily dot com. Elite daily dot com. Asks the question is are you the waif on game of thrones fans are speculating after seeing season eight episode two. God that would be the worst. That would be the worst is. So Harry, the waif wearing Arias face so complicated. Are you two are yet to has has returned and fall in desperately in love with injury. Is that what we're gonna lead she has these unexplained scars and also she did not seem to have any of the scarring from the stab wounds suffered at the hands of the wave. Let me add this wrinkle ready so aria is the wave Gandhari is aria. And this is this is a big game of faces that are playing right now. Came a fan. Apologies for bringing up the game of faces. Yes. Say boy, there's a game of thrones crackpot theory for everything. Yeah. Absolutely. And I apologize for my role in creating them. I'm sure I've made my fair share. This is a question we got from Kaelin who wanted WalMart talking about aria, not the wave Kaelin wrote in and said, do you think that Arias weapon that she had made is a dragon glass version of the same spirit that the night king killed the dragon with I know aria wasn't there beyond the wall. But it looks very similar to his spear. Maybe she'll use it to kill his ice. Dragon. Why is there so much focus on Arias weapon? Like, what is that going to do? That's clearly going to play some barely major role in everything that's coming up next. Are you just going to be out on the front lines? And we need to see her outfitted with a weapon that she can take out some of the whites. Yeah. Maybe it's just because we're going to have just a copious amounts of awesome, highly giftable Arya stark killing mile that we needed a reason for aria and Genry to have a bunch of scenes together. So here are the blueprints for this thing. I want you to make what's it for? I'll tell you later, I'll deliver it to you. So it might just be sort of like the macguffin to have our Ian Hendry in the same place. What do we think is the ultimate goal of getting REM gantry together in this way? Is it just because like here's a moment of humanity, and like being a teenager and being a human being again for aria where she like actually gets experience some measure of love for the first time in a long while or is there going to be some greater purpose is this going to be we know way way way back in the very beginning of the show net in Robert in the crypts and. Robert saying, you've got us, son. Or you've got a daughter. I've got a son. We'll join our houses is this the fulfillment of that prophecy, or is that too happy of an ending is there is there some sort of curveball that we're in by that. I'd buy the Gandhari in aria end up together at the end of this thing, and sort of the people who stark and Barath, Ian who do end up together. I'm more bullish on aria coming out of this. And now that she's found Gandhari, I do think that there will be a happy ending for aria and Gandhari, man. Yeah. I hope you're right. I I would love that. That would make me happy. I was very I was very happy for them. I thought that was great. I thought I was painting. This is certainly jarring because we've grown up with aria but other than that. And it was it was it was very nice to see these people have a moment of happiness before the whole world about the start ending. And I still do think that somehow Arias not gonna make an out of this. So she's able to have some happiness before the show is all from. I'm happy about that. She didn't look like she had. Happiness. She seems like she's like fine. I like killing people more. She prefers killing people. She prefers that kind of slaying. How about how about aria and a different character as a non-romantic pair? But as a pair nonetheless, we bring in our first voice mail, and let us summon Jason in Alberta. Who has a question about Arias stark, sir? Josh, sir. Robert Jason calling from grand prix Alberta. I've a lukewarm take on the upcoming game of thrones episode. I think that there's a good chance Arya and the hound both survive. I think we're getting set up here for them to team up again and head south to king's landing. An Oakland gain bowl is a real slump Dunkin something we should all be expecting looking or two, but you know, Josh's sorry John's going to get his big bat on the battlefield. But I think aria still needs a really high profile assassination on her resume before the end of the series. And I can't think of anyone better than, sir. C lancaster. So I think that's going to be a super satisfying thing to happen. If we go that direction. But that's my prediction really hoping follows through. Thanks so much guys. We'll talk again soon. We'll talk to you right now. How that how about that? I, you know, whether or not he is going to be the one who gets to kill C land starting that. I think that's certainly still in the air. I think the fact that that's still in the air makes me feel like aria is really likely to survive this particular battle. But I would say the fact that we have had no trace of the king's landing stuff for a full episode now, and we're very likely not going to get much if any king's landing until maybe like the very end of the episode here an episode three that I would say I'd say hound is just about like, the safest character this week. I like he could get hurt. He could get injured. He could be like momentarily killed and Barrick done dairy into back to life, but he will be alive by the end of the episode or at the very least will be alive again at some point down the line. But the mountain, by the way the night king. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I think the game ball. There's no chance at that's happening this week. And if there's no chance of it happening this week and hounds gotta make it at least one more week. Yeah. I don't think that we are going to get a season four style like road to king's landing with Arya and the hound though. That'd be great. But I think that not only have that kind of time. Well, the the way that I think that we would see something like that is if this battle ends with everybody just getting wrecked, you know, and Windsor fellas a disaster and people escape, however, they can escape like some people can can get out of there via dragon like John deniro skin droop or some people out of and or fiancee's toast, but he had a great joy ship that wasn't terribly far away. Davos is able to smuggle a bunch of people out of there. They can they can hit the road that way or some people leave on foot, and that could be aria in the hound, and you could get some kind of rekindling of the road show that way episode. Four is directed by the same guy who directed. The first two episodes of this season already David nutter who also directed reins of Casamayor a bunch of other episodes along the way here on game of thrones. He seems to be the guy that they call in for this kind of intense character work, I can imagine the scenario where episode four is a little bit of that battle of winter fell fall out that is setting the table, which was a very triggering phrase. I guess for people in the game of thrones community right now, but could be setting the table for the really big endgame battle that could take place in episode five like at king's landing or something like that. So that could be the way that we could find ourselves in an RN hound Russia. What would be the urgency of the forces that survive a battle at winter fell to get on the move and hit king's landing right away. I think that is the argument for the night king going to king's landing as opposed to winter fell that maybe like they're able to catch wind of that. And they're. Like, we gotta go south. You've got a head that way. There's also Jamie Lancaster, showing up and saying, yes, sir. He's not coming. And she's she's amassing a forest to come and get us. So we'd probably want to think about doing something about that. So I feel like a lot of attention could be set on king's landing due to the fact that they know that the problem is real and just kind of like thinking that through a little bit more like it makes me more inclined to think that maybe at least a rate or should of the whitewater threat could be dealt with here in this coming episode because once that's done. Jamie Lancaster who promised to fight for the living like maybe that promises fulfilled. And now his loyalties are tested once again with well, what do I do now in my wife would these people who I just spent the night drinking with and being best friends with and clearly I'm in love with Brienne of tars. And do I stick with them? Or do I go back to surf daddy? So I feel like there's there's a lot of drama in the whitewater is being mostly. Handled here with maybe a little bit of residual impact. Still to be felt while a lot of attention is being set on sir c and dealing with the king's landing threat in the in the back half of the season. Do you think that we have Lancaster appearance in this episode coming up on Sunday all only if there is the like this night king theory if that comes true if there's something about that? And like the attention turns to king's landing, otherwise, I think structurally, and this is something that we've gotten a lot of questions about this one from Jack from Maryland. Who said do you think that the next episode is going to be all battle at Windsor foul, or do you think we have some king's landing story lines at the beginning? And I I don't think so I think that it will be all battled winter fell except maybe a sliver at the end. Like, I think that there could be a bit at the end Zach. Yes. Brooks had written in and had had a theory about how that could play out. He had written since we got no king's landing and won't get any next week. Almost for sure maybe we're going to get a time jump after the battle winter fell that way, we'll get a lot. Of changes in king's landing and a more pregnant certainty. I think that could be compelling. I think that some kind of final season time jump could be compelling. I've been kind of feeling like something like that might happen for the final episode of the show, but that could get us from from winter fell to king's landing in time for episodes or and five hundred. Yeah. I do think that that is an interesting possibility. Yeah. Yeah. Worth considering at the very least. Okay. All right before we go any further with our feedback. Let me take a moment. Thank our sponsor for our game with Ron's feedback show and those are friends over at blue diamond almonds, and if you're watching game of thrones. 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Where are we going next? Well, how about we follow? How about we folk Yuli and Teela not to Keila to the crypt to the crypts of winter Fash for shot of love, lots of lots of questions about about the frequent repetition of this fact that it is safest in the crypts of winter fell. Gary basement is the safest place for everybody. I'm game of thrones. Let's take this voice mail from rainbow to guide us in high. It's rainbow Rob's neighbor here a couple of questions that some friends of mine. Not even my theory brought to my attention. But. They are in the crypt. So does that mean that are they all burned down there or do they be revived? And then have to actually the little girl. That's would have to defend the crypt will have to do that those very touching part, by the way. And the other thing is yeah, they're going yards going to the island. But I guess the Nike could fly dragon over the water and then burn them. All did. We think about that. Just a couple of questions for you. I love the podcast so much by our. First of all, let's let's just let's cross our fingers that the night can just raise the iron island. Maybe maybe the I'm like does some damage to some white walkers and the night king decides that theon is is new nemesis. So he flies straight to the destroys the iron islands. Yeah. Let's talk about the crypts because I think the theories pretty pretty well and fully out there right now. And this feels like another thing that is a slam dunk to to look forward to on episode three which is going to the crypts. They say it like no fewer than twenty times in the episode that the Crips are the safest place. It's away from the fighting. This is where you'll be anyone who is not a fighter is going to the crypts and not for nothing, but we had our stand. Diego wrote in and said, how bigger the crypts of winter foul because assuming they're even a few thousand people coming in from the largest kingdom in the realm. They would have to be thousands of women and children down there. And yet when we see John Danny right there before the battle DOE one. Is there so fair question? Just how large are the crypts slash are. They just going to love zone as soon as the battle begins. But though, the lords of winter fell previous stark lords stark ancestors, there's tons of bones in the crypts of Windsor fell. And now, I in retrospect to me, it makes a lot more sense. Why in season four's finale, we saw skeletons emerge from the ground is established the fact that that's the thing that can happen. I'm game of thrones. And that is the thing that's going to happen in episode three. If the final season, we're going to see like headless Ned is going to be trying to kill some of these people, and it's going to be massively messed up. Okay. Who do we lay the blame for this idea on is it -tarian? Is it brand is it? John snow shouldn't. Somebody have thought this through everybody. I don't know. I mean, I think John snow having seen what he has seen. I would tend to blame it on him. Except for the fact that like Johnston's a little bit of a dummy and his plans always had holes in them. So at least it's consistent with character. Maybe Sam Sam is the one who's sending Gillian baby Sam down into the crypt. So you don't think that maybe Sam would would maybe have thought that through a little bit brand has to take a lot of the blame here. Unless brands whole thing is like this thing is going to play out the way it's gonna play out. Right. Like if he can see bits of the future. And he just knows how this is all supposed to go. Then maybe in his mind, people are just supposed to get killed off in the crypts. I mean. Torment? We're at hard home. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of these people should probably be able to see this one a little bit easier than they than they seem to be seem to be seeing it. My question is like how does it play out? And how does it resolve Tyrian has been banished to the crypts? So that's cool. We'll get some great Peter quits down. There. We've seen in previews that Varis will be in the crypt says. Well, I think that that means the various prophecy. I think that's going to play out there. I don't think Farris is making it out if you're alive could get killed by Ned stark where that Ned Stark's final hours. He's visited by various in the king's landing dungeons. Could there could be reunited in the winter fell Crips? I like that shot. I like that you've called it. I think that that's good. I think that that makes a lot of sense to me. And I think for Tyrian who never met. Who never like really met Ned stark had shared the same room as him. You know, when everyone was beating at winter fell in the very beginning. But otherwise these two main characters were ships in the night for for the the dead hand of the king to meet the current hand of the Queen in this capacity. I think would be fun. I wonder like what the cameos would would look like we had a question from Damian. Who said, hey, bro, shot ios? Here's what I want to know which characters from the show is passed. You think are most likely to show up as battlefield zombies at the gates of winter fell. I think that question applies here that I think Ned stark, I think some undead dead stark is going to be here. I doubt that we'll see this thing as played by Sean bean. But I think that we can we can expect to see it like, I think you could imagine the old decrepit handed a hand of the king while the pin is probably is probably gone, but like the. Uniform the start uniform on him and everything maybe I think too too tacky for him to have his head in his hands. But they really they return all the bones. So who knows maybe he'll put his head back like it could be really really screwed up and Liana stark is also very likely to show up in this way as well. So that's pretty wild and crazy, and it makes me feel like Jon snow will have to confront both of them. You know, he's he's having to contend with the reality of his true parentage now that he is the son of Leon and Ray Ghar Ned had lied to him whole life, and he was kind of wrestling without in the crypts already. But I think like that existential crisis will probably become pretty literal fairly soon where he's going to have to he's going to have to take them on. Going to be super gnarly really messed up. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see the way that they. Deal with that where I think that they'll have to be called out where like, oh my God, that's dead. Stark. I think like if you see like Ned Stark's tomb, you see like a thing emerged from it. And it looks distinct enough then you'll be able to track it. I think I think they could do it as simply as that. And like they can they can like set that up even just like to make it even more clear if Tyrian in various who are in the crypts have conversation next to Ned stark before everything goes haywire. I think there's I think there's ways to do it for sure. And I think some version of this is almost a hundred percent lock for me heading into heading into this episode. We'll see how about one more voice mail to to start looking at like ways in which maybe this battle will will start to RAB. Let's take this from V from Israel show loan. Josh, rob, it's from Israel with all the death drafts and battled predictions headed into next week's episode. I was hoping you could discuss the one inevitability that shows up in every game of thrones battle, the dais X mock. And oh, who do you think will most likely end up on their backs disarmed with a white Walker bearing down on them before being saved by an out of nowhere character appearance? And who do you think we'll be dancing uncle engine Brown? Darna harris. Thanks and have you pass over Josh and related to rub thank yous fee. Appreciate it. This is a great time. We had a wonderful Sater with my neighbors. And then that was the night that I went onto play wingspan the board game. I hear that. That's that's great wingspan who's going to be day USA thing. How did he say who's gonna day use the mocking? Yes. That's how it works. But I like it have you have you given any thought to this? Is there going to be like something that comes in and saves the day here? Could it be brand taking control of vissarion that I like certainly something that I have enjoyed could it be what what are the chances other than like, the golden company coming in and suddenly saving the day after surf daddy was just messing with Jamie. Like what what are we not accounting for that could show up? I liked a DJ Lavelle Klein had suggested that brand could hijack. We're would tree and turn it until like the wanting willow from Harry Potter, which is like a very angry physical tree next to bite Benji and made it I think I think we can safely assume uncle Benjamin is dead. Got got the feeling that he probably didn't make naked through though, he could be one of the ambiance that shows up at the gates of winter vote. We didn't really deal with that too much horror. Right. Like zombie thing. That's coming up. You think that we're going to zombie hauteur? Yeah. I like it. I like it. Well, I think we could see it. If it's going to happen. It's going to happen this week. If it doesn't happen this week. I don't think it'll happen. He picked up brand phase from a terrible. Deliver him to the night king of tar God. And then brand hijacks zombie ho doors body and doesn't good enough that becomes brands new physical form for the rest of the series. Wow. At that. I've been coining. I coined the phrase day use X Mel asandra in an article recently where maybe Mel asandra and a bunch of red priests and priestesses will show up for the great war. She's had visions of the battles at winter fell right in this. She's seen it in the fires and she has seen her own death in west arose. What better time is they're going to be for Mela Sandra to show up here in the final season. Then right now, I think like her and like a bunch of fire magic really we know that there's some plans to quote, unquote, light the trench that Davos is going to give a sign to light the trench. And maybe that fire in the trenches of winter fell what I be working against the people in winter fell. Maybe it can backfire in some way. And then the red priests can show up, and they can wield that fire in a better way. I think something like that is not impossible to imagine. Yeah. I don't like Mel Sandra in an army of the red priestesses. That that one's tougher for me. I don't know where Mel asandra shows up in this final season. But that would seem like a lame lame pay off to the, you know, fighting the night king. But like if a bunch of red priests and priestesses show up and just like, you know, give birth in unison to a gigantic shadow monster that will be one of the most the single most messed up things that's ever been committed to television. One hundred red priests and priestesses immediately like conceiving shadow monsters on the field. I think would go down in the books as number one in the most traumatic things we have seen in game of thrones. At the various not all television that would be very traumatic for this straights for a lot of reasons Spencer. Why the prolific Spencer y wrote in with the possibility that maybe it's Braun he says after getting his assassination assignment from sir see via Khyber last week seemed logical that Braun would arrive in Windsor fill and episode two. But he didn't make it episode three looks like an all out battle. So now, the timing isn't going to be great for him to show up although is this setup for bronze play the heroic knights of the Vale role and be the last minute arrival that tips the scale for our protagonists is he going to show it with the crossbow and shoot down some white walkers or perhaps even the night king. Well, none of his weapons are Valeri. Steeler dragon glass. So I don't know how effective crossbow is going to be. He could RO are Samaras from theon Braun is not taking down the night king fund. I guess so just give them a better chance. All in a better wife. Yeah. For sure. How about you mentioned ghost before that you thought that ghost was dead? He is not he is one of two dire wolves still why didn't the mutineers kill ghost. I dunno. It goes it's been around for a while. Because this is a tough cookie. He's he's been purple ghosts. Really since. For a while. Yeah. Those show the show has really done the dire wolves dirty on a number of levels. Not the least of which is the fact that there's only two left Lauren Romano wrote in and said we saw a second of ghost in the episode. Do you think you'll make it and will we see nightmare era due to the visibility? Spike. I said ghost die next week. And then they don't have to deal with dire wolves anymore. Hope I'm wrong. Love me, some ghost don't think. We'll see nightmare. I don't think. So boy, the suddenly like, oh, big wolf pack shows up to help the fight, and it's really just like all corners of west Rosser showing up this thing. Yeah. Where are they going to put ghosts down in the crypts? Also. Now is maybe in the annals mecca. Yeah. I don't know. Boy, don't know. Last question for you ready. Yes. From ily may what happens if you mix giants milk with milk of the poppy. Oh. The milk that makes you sues who Burr strong, and if milk the poppy is the most that makes you sloop sleepy. Yeah. What happens? You wake up and you've grown foot. It's like big. Like, you go to bed at trial, and you wake up a man bigger. I don't know if he's necessarily exactly the same as big as giants milk mixed with milk of the poppy, turn you into Tom Hanks. I don't think so. Be good. That would be good. That'd be good. Yeah. It'd be interesting. Did you see little? I didn't see little. Yeah. I wanted to podcast about that. But I didn't get a chance to what was little is it the sequel to big it's not the sequel to big, but I feel like that it is thematically the sequel to big, but it's about a woman who becomes little seen thirty going on thirteen. Yes. Similar concept. Yeah. So. We'll see we'll see. I I really was very surprised how much torment we got in this episode. Even the previous one isn't credible. Amazing. I wonder if maybe this could be sort of like the back door pilot for the torment giants Bain spinoff. Yeah. Yeah. I would love that. I'd be thrilled with that. I think that we got the back story on tournament and how he became giants pain by killing a giant. And then suckling at the teat of the giants wife, you think we were just being reminded of giant's lore for the final reveal at the end of game of thrones. That we are indeed in the eye of McCumber the giant. Yes, I think so that would be that would be a great reveal to pull back in the final episode. It was right in front of us the whole time top theory on the board at our. Yes. Who propagated the old, man? I believe that was old man. Yes. Yes. Oh, maybe maybe old NAN will show a dead people in the winter fell who could show right? Yeah. Okay. Maybe Rodrick kessel. Oh, yes. So many, sir mutton chops. They're all coming back star studded episode number three. All right. Josh what do you have in store for our your faithful readers between now? And then more stuff. I will have some interviews that are posting at T HR dot com slash game of thrones in the near future, perhaps with fingers crossed that it works out, but perhaps with a certain milk, chugging friend. Then we may or may not have just reference a little while ago. Perhaps with even the writer of this episode is a possibility so keep an eye on that link. I will be be I'll. I'll just be I'll be plugging away for the foreseeable future. All right. So we will be back with you on Sunday night. And we're going to get it right over on post show. Recaps dot com, Stephen fish back. I assuming that Stephen is recovered from his surgery this week, hopefully is speedy recovery for Stephen fish back. We'll be live fifteen minutes. After the episode ends. That's probably looking around sometime around like ten thirty five or so on Sunday night to break. It all down. Of course, follow Josh Wigley on Twitter at round Howard for everything that he is filing away over at T H R, and we make sure your subscribe to the podcast as well. So she recaps dot com slash I tunes. You it. Okay. Now, come on Josh anything else. No, just pray for your faves fray for your favorites your favorites. Happy happy episode of game of thrones. Because we're probably in for rough one on Sunday or a good one or it could win. Hopefully. Yeah. All right. Here's cross. Thanks so much for listening to everybody a good one by.

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