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"Wall Monaco's House few goes on holiday this week. We're looking back to our series. The Golden Age of aviation which aired last summer. You can subscribe to the whole program at Monaco. Talk come over have you get your podcast from Monaco's house view. We'll be back next Monday. You're listening to the Golden Age of aviation with Breitling chronicling and celebrating. All that was best about commercial airline I travel during the nineteen fifties sixties and Seventies. This was an era powered by the advances of the jet age then later. Inspired by the advent of supersonic supersonic travel. It's all civil aviation soar to new heights of efficiency luxury and romance so far on this series we've heard from the people we know the history the personalities and the legends inside out and today we continue to meet the enthusiasts have been fascinated by this era and all the storied worried brands that embodied the very essence of it. This is the golden age of aviation with breitling and I'm khloe potter. mid-century aviation has captured the imagination of collectors. The world over who seek out everything from old all tickets to tumblers that drinks served in to the hostess uniforms of their favorite airlines one such enthusiast is Phillip King whose collection of Pan in an memorabilia comprises over three thousand pieces keen. What the line for? Its final four years of operating in the late eighties into the early ninety s and has gone on to become an actor. Our reporter Larry Buell went to meet Philippine in the La neighborhood of las villas in Palm Springs. That's where most of my collection is right down to storage units full posters action. A pair of seats first class cabin of the seven forty seven tons of uniforms. What you have a pair of seats from the the actual photo of can share with you you from the nineteen seventies and this is interesting to me because prior to that got most airlines had stopped? Hiring men was after World War. Two the big push for hiring women came in because they were selling puts delicately sex wchs and women at the time were considered sexier than than men and it was mainly a lot of businessmen who were flying primarily. Yes so there was a reverse discrimination ammunition lawsuit filed I think it was Diaz vs Panam in the nineteen seventies the gentleman one and so they airlines were forced to hire men at that point so they design a uniform for them and you can lapels co reaching all the way to the shoulders. Yeah really why this yes I and Kinda pancer Kinda bell-bottom e yeah. I started with Panam in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight out of high school. We'll just out of high school. I had worked in restaurants. My entire life started working fulltime. When I was twelve my mother and father at a restaurant I saw an ad ad in the newspaper for Pam hiring flight attendants I still have the ad and I answered and got an interview a couple of weeks later and before I knew it? I was flying to Miami Miami for six weeks of what we jokingly referred to as Barbie Doll boot camp so we were taught that way. We were taught how to sit how to walk. Walk if we smoked smoke how to carve roast beef during turbulence serve coffee and were familiarized with customs and immigrations formalities and languages airport codes all kinds of things but a lot of it was about etiquette and how to conduct yourself. Where were you based when you worked for them? Initially it was based in London for the first six months. It was so expensive that I decided to move to Amsterdam in commute so I did that for a year. They moved back to London and then when they sold the base of operations operations to united in nineteen ninety. One I moved to Miami. I was never going to move back to the states as long as I had a job with. Panama was going to stay in Europe and transit from base to base Jason. Just try the different flying from everywhere that we had when the company went out of business in ninety one it was like losing my family in a way. We're very close knit group in London. The early two hundred and fifty flight attendants. We knew everybody in the world at that point kind of closed up for me because I had. I didn't have a car but I had access to an airplane and collecting all this memorabilia. For what now now twenty five years yes. I started collecting in ninety one when we went out of business. My first item was a watercolor add of Mary. Martin and she was thanking the captain for beautiful flight across the Atlantic in this title of the ad was how Peter Pan flew to Paris and my collection consists of about thirty five hundred items from matchbooks and uniforms to actual pieces of the interior of the aircraft. The seems as though I have a sonar I can pick out the blue. The Pan Am blue loose specifically and led to it a little bit about some of the memorabilia. Memorabilia we see here. Here's a cool looking playing bass replica. or it's a model of the seven forty seven one hundred series. You can tell that because there's only three windows on the upper upper deck here later versions had multiple windows and it was a little bit longer configuration but this really changed the industry along with the seven. Oh seven so this is a little piece of probably would have been a travel agents office to display for people to get an idea of what they might be in four and I've got a couple of menus here. These were watercolors originally done by the artist. Dong kingman he did a lot of illustrations for penam. And you can take a look at the inside of some of the things that we offered verse class. Oh very cool. It's in script there's champagne there's there's choices of wine. Cognac liquors port cocktails aperitifs. You can't really even keep all these onboard anymore. No I think things are are pretty limited. Nowadays you get a little plastic bottle and a glass with ice and if you just look over to your right. There's a silver cocktail shaker. And that's how things used to be done. So they would put ice in there and then mix drink for you each one at a time and then poured into a crystal glass. There's a silver coffee service over there so everything was done with the idea of French service in mind now when you say they did that. Were you doing that or were you working for first class. Yes the positions the duties would vary from flight to flight and you would bid for positions on on that but as a purser. You're either in charge of the First Class section or the business and economy section combined. Cool okay so so this this bacillus on this menu from one thousand nine. It's nine hundred. Fifty seven aircraft been from nineteen fifty seven. So it's memorializing the different aircraft throughout the decades that helped to design and engineer and then we have some smaller ones. I can share with you if I can find them. That was for the Business Class section a section so even with that they were still a number of choices available to the passengers so this would have been from what year from well while you were working there this was from the nineteen seventies indies. But we still had a similar situation going on so we have mushroom omelette grilled natural. What Grill Garni is Lamb chop okay. Cool and that would have been for lunch. Yes s very cool all right. What else are we seeing here? I'm looking at this it's fair. Oh it's like iron olive bronze it's They're cast door handles and I think they weigh about forty pounds. Adour handled for the exterior door probably foreign interior given the the the agency Patino on this. It may have been honest. Glass doors in what they called. The Clipper Club which is a place where businessmen first class passengers would be able to go to prior to the flight or afterwards to conduct business. Do some paperwork relax have a meeting of a cocktail. My Love Love. The Pan Am extends to entertain so for my fiftieth birthday party. My husband and best friend through a Pan Am themed birthday party for me so I have some photographs here with some of the things that he did she replicated one of the men use from first class. So this is what we we served and this would have been definitely what we would have had haddon first class the chateaubriand which used to carve to order seat side and we would cook it on board. The Aircraft Dessert Cherries Jubilee. Doesn't that require fire. Hire it does and when it was first introduced we had the dining room on the upper deck a flight attendant. I used to work with got into lots of trouble for lighting them on fire. There's so many things. Listen here. I have a giant sign in the back about twenty feet wide and four feet. Tall Pan Am spelled out in plywood painted and Panam colors it was found on Ebay. Ebeid was in the basement of a guy's house in Pittsburgh so I had a loaded on a flatbed in chip across the states. Did you love the brand come while you were working before you started were after I was aware of the Pan Am Brandon legacy right before I started and that's that's part of the reason that I chose them to apply with once I got there. I started drinking the Kool aid and it just was so fascinated with the history of the company and all the accomplishments but I fell in. I love with it and worked as much as I could all the time and whenever I had time off just get on a plane and go someplace and that's we could do that at the time. I still have blank ticket stock. And that's what we would do. We would just write in the destination where we wanted to go and if they were spaced on the plane we got on. You can't do that anymore on airlines as a flight attendant pretty much no because good luck finding an empty seat and everything is done by seniority in priority boarding so. That's it's really hard to do anymore. Why do you think Pan Am has become such a defining dining airline of the golden age of aviation. I think Pan Am became such a defining company and the imagery of Pan Am because because it was instrumental in helping to create the aviation industry from the invention of retooling of aircraft and the demands ends that one trip made of the different companies to make them safer and faster and better more luxurious than some point. Changing that so that everybody could afford to fly one point. The Pan Am Globe was the second most recognized symbol in the world next to Coca Cola and that's due to a great marketing campaign campaign. They were branding before anybody really knew what the science of that was and no matter where in the world you flew there was always a Panam office. There was a great a poster of the Antarctic and said it's easier to tell you about the places that we don't fly. Is there an item or two. That really kind of sum up everything about your experience or their legacy. I don't know if there's a single item that would sum up my experience or the legacy of the company company but there are a couple of items that I'm still looking out for one of them is the uniform that was used in the series. I know they had to replicate that. And that one's a really hard one to find because at the time when a flight attendant would retire or passed away. They were no longer working for the company. They were required to turn the uniforms back in so a lot of them were destroyed or given to homeless shelters. So that's a rare item that you're looking for are other collectors looking for that as well. My biggest competition. There's a friend of Mine Kelly Cusak who also worked for Panam and he's in New York. He has about twelve thousand items in his collection but is he will tell you. A lot of those are stir sticks in matches sow now but I knew he has. He has one of those uniforms complete in in great condition. And I'm on the search for that. Do you ever think that will return to this Golden area of Aviation I don't know that we'll ever return to this era. V8 This golden era of aviation and there are a couple of carriers like Emirates and Qatar. Who have these private suites and butlers and gold-plated fixtures and for those that can afford that? I think it's a wonderful experience but it doesn't seem like people people are interested in doing that kind of thing anymore. They just want to get where they're going. And everybody has a personal device now become watch movies on their phone or their tablet. Or they're working they just don't want to be bothered with the idea of having to get someplace anymore. So but that was part of the the allure is that you've got on board the aircraft and you were treated like a King or queen and once you got there you arrested and relaxed and at least that was the idea Thanks to Larry Buell for that interview to Italy now. With its distinctive Green White and red tail fin and iconic lettering as logo Alitalia Alitalia boast one of the world's most iconic liveries one that is also seen as being quintessentially Italian which is ironic as it was designed by an American despite the ups and downs of this flag. Carrier's fortunes over the years the Alitalia's fleet still very much. Waves the flag when it comes to country brand identity argues David it pleasant. Monaco's Ram correspondent tryin picture the classic image of an ideal airport. In your mind's eye where a Roehi neatly aligned tailfins stretches into the distance like a United Nations of flag carriers this image would surely include the red white and green green of Alitalia it is a sector that is prone to change with budget regional airlines vying for passengers and in an age of websites an an advert plastered onto airplanes. Italy's national are more often than not nationalized airline stands out for livery that has consistently fed better than its rivals. Perhaps I'm being an airline nostalgic and I should declare that I follow various Alitalia Talia fan groups and have a secret collection of in-flight Paraphernalia. In fact I might as well admit it. I'm a bona fide. Alitalia enthusiast there. I've I've said it. But unlike fans of other retro classics of the Skies. I don't have to spend hours online or at flea markets to replenish my collection or to to satisfy my thirst for good airline design. I simply have to go to my nearest airport. which happens to be Alitalia's hub? Leonardo Davinci here in Rome more commonly known as well. If we're going to be real aches. Let's just use the IRA ta code which is FC. If we try to be a little more objective it is surely this sense of permanence. The fact that Alitalia design is just so recognizable and has fundamentally changed so very little in nearly half a century that that makes it so successful. This story begins in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven. Lina added Italina. The Italian Airlines Company had cleverly given it self deport Manteaux of Alitalia Ali being the Italian word for wings creating a punchy wings of Italy name that is already attack line. The company decided that it was time to modernize its it's identity. It's winged our logo. Although charming was looking increasingly out of place in the jet-age Alitalia called for rebrand that spoke of professionalism modernity and that was unmistakably Italian. It's perhaps fitting that often an outside. I is needed when it comes comes to nation branding and graphic designer. Walter Landau who set up land or associates in San Francisco in nineteen forty. One is a case in point. London was to go on to design some of the world's most iconic airline bronze British Airways Cathay Pacific Singapore Airlines and Thai to name but a few but Alitalia Elia was really his first masterpiece of the skies with punchy attractive name Landau was able to create quite literally an eighth grade design. The A of Alitalia was boldly emblazoned onto the tail thing. In fact no other airline has a tailfin design that is so totally integral to the name and brand and a heavyset stylized helvetica font exceeds a welcoming nature with a modern refinement. Exactly how Italians wanted to see themselves. Further grace came from the sporty but sheikh racing green stripe that followed the line of the airplane windows. Along the length of the fuselage before smoothly joining joining up with the bottom of the tailfins elegant big a London livery was launched in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and was an immediate success Alitalia became the symbol the modern booming Italy. However by the turn of the millennium the airline itself had become a loss maker and has very rarely been able to support itself ever since ants but the efficiency and style of land does livery remains two thousand fifteen in fact so lander associates modernized wolters inception and gone? Is that Green Stripe for the world. Now simple equals sophisticated says the lead designer as someone who owns several scale Alitalia muddles with green stripe included. I have to disagree entirely. Nothing expresses the Alitalia Heyday more than the nineteen. One thousand nine hundred musical number which features Italy's very leggy Blonde Diva Rafael etc.. Doing the Paso Dobley. On the wing of an Alitalia Boeing seven four seven even whilst singing the old Italian Crooner Vlada. Sometimes I like to Imagine Raffaella still there dancing on the tarmac when my plane is taxiing. Seo I did warn you about nostalgia for monocle Enron. I'm I'm David pleasant. So next report lands us on the East East Coast of Canada at Gander International Airport on September. The eleventh two thousand and one is the. US closed its as base in the wake of the terrorist attacks on new. We all can the Pentagon this airport had to swing into action. Gone to international APP was once one of the busiest refueling ports of call in North America before jets jets could cross the Atlantic non. Stop on nine eleven. It came back to life as rerouted flights were forced to land there nearly doubling ganders population. It wasn't the first time Gan International Airport had been at the center of events the arrivals hall at Gander in its Heyday. In the nineteen sixties became known for its celebrity visitors visitors. Louis Armstrong Bob hope and Frank Sinatra are among the stars said to have serenaded passengers in the terminal during layovers and now it stands hands as a testament to mid century design. It's now a shadow of its former self and there are faint rumors that it may one day be considered for demolition. Monaco's Thomas Lewis this reports now on the Golden Age of Ganda International Airport on the northeast tip of North America on an island empowerment. I next time my name is James. Severs and media the Executive Director of the Association of Heritage Industries Newfoundland and Labrador Gander really began as well. Initially it was nothing it was known as Hattie Patties camp and it was just an abandoned sawmill along the Newfoundland railway line during the early days of transatlantic transportation the British this government was looking for a spot where they could further develop transatlantic air flight and they chose Gander so they built this massive airport at the time it was the biggest runways in the world so they finish that in about nineteen thirty eight nineteen thirty thirty nine World War Two breaks out and very quickly. Britain began losing aircraft and Canada. The United States were building aircraft aircraft. They needed to get them. Across to Britain and Gander became the landing spot for aircraft that were on route from North America to Britain as a result of that Gandhi grew into this enormous airport and basically a town newfoundland was more than a country. It was a way you life Newfoundland. We talk about rural communities being out ports because they were outside of Saint John's the capital all and they were built around ports or local harbors but gander really was always an airport. The airport was built first and then the town literally grew up around the runway and their stories of kids actually having to to cross the runways to get to school because literally the town was on top of at the airport and then after the war ended all the technology that had been developed for transatlantic flight was converted to commercial. Oh flight and because Gandhi was there because it was the last jumping off point across the Atlantic for North American flights in the first landing point. If you were coming from Europe it became known as the crossroads of the world and anybody traveling pretty much across. The transatlantic in the postwar period stopped in Gandhi. Twenty again among the old leave. It's ready to the Indo boarding the era the international departures lounge again it was built pretty shortly after Newfoundland joined Canada and Canada's saw this as an opportunity unity to build a space where visitors who were arriving in the country for you know for their first glimpse would get the impression of candidates being in a forward thinking cutting edge modern country and so an incredible amount of money for the time I think about three million dollars was spent creating leading the space. which would wow people? And so every kind of well known or cutting edge designer of the day was employed in creating leading the furnishings. I mean you have Charles. And Ray eames Robin Bush. Arne Jacobsen there was incredible. Drexel flooring and they commissioned tioned large scale really impactful contemporary art so they had Canadian painter can Lockheed created this enormous mural. I think it gets about seventy feet long called flight and it's allegories which today people recognize as an incredible piece of Canadian art at the time it was incredibly controversial because it was modern. They really took a lot of risks in creating a super modern space and it created an impression on the people and from locals pointed minded. You it was a place to see and be seen in the nineteen fifties sixties airport security. Like we know it today was nonexistent assistant. So when you talk to people of a certain age and Gander. They will tell you. Stories about the family's going to the airport and sitting reading terminal watching people come and go and there would be politicians world rulers celebrities Feinstein and went through their the Beatles. Fidel Castro pretty much. Anybody who was traveling transatlantic route was stopping through Gander. And it created this sense the gander that was in the center of new pilot was really into central. One Gentleman told me the story story on the terminal and Mohammed Ali's and his wife were there and she had a problem with his glasses and the gentleman from Gander you know sat down with with the Ellison and fixed glasses and ended up having a long conversation with it wasn't just like people said. Oh look there's someone famous local people we're having kind of these personal interactions. We were kind of the WHO's who of the world and because of the people moving through it gave Gander a flavor flavor and a sense of place which was totally different from Newfoundland. The store owners were going to the fashion capitals of the world to buy their inventory. Because the clientele coming through. Were looking for that kind of stuff. There's a story of Frank Sinatra going out into Gander to buy his daughter a skirt. It just seems so bizarre today when I think most people think of Newfoundland is kind of being a bit of a backwater terms of world culture. Yeah I mean we've got our own fantastic culture but we may not be cutting edge in relation to New York or London but in the day Gander was kind of it had its finger on the pulse of the world world really during the later sixties when jet technology analogy became more developed within a very short period of time it was no longer necessary for jets to land and refuel. They could make the trip from New York. ORC or Toronto or wherever just nonstop for Awhile Gander. Airport turned into a bit of town but as always happens with gander it seems to reinvent itself to fit the world operates in eventually gander became an essential stopping point for aircraft from in Communist countries who couldn't fly through US airspace. And so what you had was all these planes going from Havana to Russia and they were all landing in Gander and so traffic picked up again but it was a very different group of people coming through and for a long period of time Gander became the defection capital of the world. And there was a joke that the fences around the Gander runways were to keep the Moose out and the defectors in and it's really fascinating history. That's mirrored the changes in the world rounded back again next year you're always welcome and Newfoundland on this series so far we've discovered all sorts of fascinating facts that form part of this legendary period of aviation for a bit of fun before we end today. We've enlisted the help of the writer. And Mazda of Trivia Mark Mason to run through some of the quirkiest in-flight stories sometimes aviation gave rise to great cultural moments and late nineteen sixty six. Paul McCartney she had been on holiday with Malevich's who is the Beatles roby and Jane Asher was then still McCartney's girlfriend lever flying back from Kenya and they were just having a chat McCartney was getting to the point where he was annoyed about the Beatles getting attention time and it started to have the idea of some anonymous for pseudonyms rather the band where they could not the Beatles they can be something else and they were talking about that and at the same time they got their food in the mail and the little sachets with s and p written an acoustic and guess what they were but my eleven one of those moments when we were little bit blankly went blanket pick McCartney went salt and pepper and as he said it. That's where he got the idea for sergeant in pepper. That's the name of the band that came to McCartney always likes his His flying the first time ever that he met Frank Sinatra was on a flight and he was so overcome with excitement meeting the legendary Frank Sinatra blurted out. We'll just wait till my stepmother. Here's that I've met you and then was instantly. Embarrassed embarrassed to eat being uncool at meeting celebrity lineup and was ready sorry and just felt embarrassed. Jam and Sinatra Comedy ninety-six kid. I was exactly the same the first time I met John Wayne Musicians obviously a famous flying around bb King. The legendary Blues Guitarist was so worried about his guitar. Wanted to take such good care of it that his guitar is Big Gibson Guitar which was always called Lee Sale. You went through a few over the years but it was called him Lucille because that was the name if a woman that started a fight between two guys and a bb King geic back in his early days but then when aviation came along and he was flying around with with Lucille. He started to call the Guitar Mystic Guitar because he booked to in to the flight he would pay for a seat next to his so that Lucille Mister Guitar whereas Qatar was often billed on the check details could sit next to him and Mr Guitar Nice and safe on the one of my favorite stories of pure vindictiveness. On a plane comes through awesome wells. who was once forced onto a a plane? He was almost literally kidnapped by the film director. Vincent Colder and colder son Michael because wells at signed a contract with them. I moved refusing to honor it so they literally literally went grabbed him and forced him onto a flight and wells reluctantly agreed that he had to go and do what. He is being paid to contractor today. So you sitting sitting on this flight on the seat between Vincent Korda an awesome wealth. Vincent cornered Huge basket delicious fruit. That just Vincent Korda. Put the fruit on the plane between green an awesome wells and then nodded off and he woke up a little while later to find that wells. who was still furious about the position? He had deliberately taken a single bite out of each item of fruit and the basket so rendering the whole lot inedible just to get his convincing quarter slides thirteenth nine one thousand nine hundred five th the day of live aid and those of us that can remember it will know that Phil Collins played at the London Gig at Wembley and then flew across the Atlantic on Concord. Which of course back in those days go back in time because it took three hours to fly across the Atlantic and the time difference is five hours so it went back in time and enabled him to go and play at the Philadelphia Philadelphia Gig as well and so he's on the plane sitting across the Atlantic and he hasn't noticed the woman sitting a few rows away from him on concl- because because she's not made up but she's heard what's happening and she comes up to Phil Collins and only when she comes up to him? Does it dawned on him that share and she was liberty keeping herself very low key and heaven knows as what share have been doing for the previous few weeks but she had not known that live aid was going on she came on. What's going on in the explainer about the GIG? And she realized that the GIG was going on in Philadelphia later that day and she said do you think you could get onto the GIG and Phil Collins. When you don't need me to get you on your show? Just go and he. He said she went to the toilet. She came back from the toilet. She was share. The makeup was on the hair was done. She got some new clothes on and he said he went. And did he's been at a GIG and then he was watching at the end of the the American league and there she was. She managed to get herself onto live aid. So we're not the concord show would not have been on probably the most famous GIG that brings us to the end of this episode of the Golden Gordon Age of aviation with brightening to find out more about the program you can head to Monaco Dot com subscribe on Itunes soundcloud and all your other favorite audio sources this program was produced by Holly Fischer and I'm Khloe Potter. Join US again in two weeks time. But until then wherever you are on wherever you're headed next bomb voyage
July 24th - National Amelia Earhart Day with Wade Roush
"Hey. This is bowl condo. This is the podcast Gumbo podcast and I've got a rhetorical question for you. Are you like me and find those things. We call national days like cheese ball day or worse moldy cheese day amusing. Yeah me too. So. Each week, one of my podcast friends challenged me to find an episode related to one of those days and I'll be releasing it on the actual date occurs. So let's get to it. What is today's National Day? Hey Paul it's weighed rouch. So July twenty fourth is National Amelia Earhart Day and I guess what I'm curious about is how Amelia herself would feel about the way she's remember today I mean it seems like she's famous mostly for disappearing into thin air and only secondarily for being the first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic which all seems Kinda backward to me. On the other hand, she's seen increasingly as a feminist icon which seems like might please her. So I'm just curious how historians and biographers think earhart would have regarded her own fame. Thanks. Wade given that I've never been confused for an historian. I'm one of those people that thinks about Erhard the way you've described above. So it's nice to be given a little nudge of history and hopefully I can return the favor. For my first recommendation, I, found a podcast called. Erhard which hopes to shed some more light on Earhart by interviewing guests. In this episode, they interview Abigail Harrison who is commonly known as astronaut. Abby. As part of the interview, Abby Talks about how a millionaire heart is an inspiration. They also talk about the marsh. And stem as well as our work as an aspiring actress not. Today's guest is weighed Roche host of the soonest podcast which helps us understand were technology come from and how we decide to start or stop using it. It's that understanding that allows us to be more intentional about the kind of future were building together. Soon Ish covers a lot of ground from bridges to virtual reality to the voting process. One episode that struck me though was way talking about quitting facebook, which is something I grapple with constantly On the episodes page description we'd outlines multiple years were facebook failed us and he finally had enough. Here in twenty twenty facebook continues to fail enlarge ways and I wish some of the tech support groups that I am a member of would find another service. So I could get off facebook myself. For last recommendation wait went above and beyond he's given three podcast recommendations and a youtube channel that are about the weird byways and. In no particular order they are. The. Constant. The right stuff the wrong way. Ninety nine percents, invisible gander international airport. Should this exist boom the return of supersonic flight. And Amy Sheera. Titles Youtube Channel VINCA space. A link to all of them will be in the show notes. For today's extra hot sauce. I just WanNa add that Wade is one of the creators of the Boston based podcast collective called hub-and-spoke. If you've been listening to this podcast since the beginning you'll know that Charles Gustin was my second guest ever who was the host of ICONOGRAPHY, which is part of hub and spoke. I'll put a link in the show notes to the collective, and you'll probably recognize some of the other great podcasts. As always take a look at the show notes for links to all the podcasts mentioned in this episode as well as other life altering information. To make it easy for you. There's also a link to a podcast playlist that will contain episodes ever mentioned in the show. See you next week some time for another round of recommendations. Are you still listening do you still want more podcast goodness if so get on over to podcast Gumbo, dot com, and subscribe to my newsletter today.
Canadas Road Ahead: Ganders famous airport, and the pandemics economic impact
"Throughout the nineteen eighty s strange phenomenon was sweeping north america. They were in a panic and like people in a panic. They want solutions allegations of underground satanic cults torturing and terrorizing children. The thing is there were no satanic cults preying on children and nearly thirty years later the people touched by it. All are still picking up. The pieces isn't a work of fiction. This is a work of history satanic panic available now. This is a cbc podcast. Today we are starting a new series on the current. It is called canada's road ahead. Like terry fox's marathon of hope. We will follow the trans canada highway or close to it each week we will pull into a small town. Virtually unfortunately to speak with canadians about how they are coping with covid nineteen and what the road ahead might look like. We're kicking things off on the rock and beautiful gander newfoundland and like all good road trips first things first. I need some coffee. Hi. i'm arlene. Bishop the operator owner of the gander breadbox here in gander. Steve bishop marley's lesser half and I am The baker one of the bakers marlins the baker. She does the cookies and bread. We just celebrated our tenth anniversary in december. so we were riding on the high and then The lockdown came down. everything closed. We stayed open but not anywhere near full capacity so for about a week i was quite panicked thinking that we might lose it. Well you know you're watching your your bank account dwindled and dwindled. And you're thinking how you're going to do this and you know you've got you still got the bills to pay and we were. We were definitely worried. We stuck through the first week with the staff and that then we realized that we couldn't keep our staff on. It was a good thing at the time. The government rolled out the serb so as business owners who feel very responsible for our team. We didn't want them to be left out. So as a result We ended up laying everybody off when the restrictions eased up. We get a lot busier than expected. We were going to People just got back and wanted to do things in customers were amazing so the community and surrounding areas just really really had backs. I have one of my customers said. I want ten loads a multi grain bread said and. I want you to put your tag on it. He's because i'm giving that away and hand me a hundred dollar bill and he walks door and this is the kind of thing that was happening. I had a lot of people they were buying to. The in buying four loves bread and they were just paying it forward and all those little things helped along the way for sure. It's actually the things that are looming right now. Kind of scary when you look at The airport naff candida neff count in particular right down with all the projected layoffs that have been given we. We've huge support from huge customer base from there and look at the fact that thirty plus jobs or on the block at the moment that's going to have a huge effect on every business in the community during the pandemic we had a small contract with the airport where we supply some sandwiches and stuff and there's no activity at the airport now so that we've lost that kind of business even just on a on. The one person that you know works for nab canada. Who's now laid off. I mean they're going to really consider what we're going to spend their money. The will have an effect on us to you. Figure there's a light at the end of the tunnel. It's might be a logger tunnel than we hope for. An montlake might not be that break. But it's there. Where do you find. Hope my customers and i. We're very fortunate to have the love of our customers. And i get choked up when i say that because there are family when people come through this door. I know a little bit about them. You don't be in this business for eleven years and not have people part of your life and to give me a lot of hope. Now who marlene. And steve bishop from gander breadbox. Now if you aren't a regular at the breadbox chances are you're still familiar with gander on september eleventh. When planes were forced to land thirty eight guided by ganders control into gander international airport. Thousands of passengers were welcomed a story that many of us know thanks to the musical. Come from away in as you heard from. Marlene and steve. This iconic aviation community is facing hard times right the president and ceo of the gander international airport. Reg good morning. good morning. How important is air travel to gander. Everyone error has Has some jet fuel running through their veins. I think it accounts for about one in five jobs. And of course when you see what's happened with the pandemic Over the last year You can appreciate that we We have a pretty pretty sizable exposure in terms of job loss. Loss business and other negative impacts so describe for me what the gander airport would look like today compared to say your ago. Yeah i mean ganor gainers. Smaller market of course serves about one hundred thousand people and beautiful central new land. And you know a year ago. Today there'd be there'd be we'd have twelve twelve flights a day and now we're down to two and there'd be people coming and going competing workers coming and going people taking starting playing winter escapes and Right now it's very much. I tell people. It's like being a night watchman at a museum. It's quite empty. There's been a sizable job loss at the airport. The ticket counters largely empty The most active people here are generally to cleaners. I'd heard you describe it as a bit like hanging on via fingernail on the side of a cliff we've been like that since It's been an agonizing year waiting for us watching the service withdraw and then you know in december We'd gone from nine. Daily air canada flights before destinations to a single daily flight to halifax and you know we were hoping against hope that we could retain it and then we got the news that as of This friday that's that's being discontinued as well. What impact is that going to have people in gander when that the air canada has pulled all of its roots In and out of that airport. Yeah i i think the impact functionally psychologically is sizable. You'll appreciate when you live in a remote community in thailand destination. That's very trade trade-dependent just how important it is to have daily national service to mainland canada. That's without at. you're not really in the game. This is a massive challenge for us to navigate going forward. I hate to say it. I've always felt like our airport was built for battle will always find a way to remain solvent. But it makes the question on the other side. If you don't have that daily service for your residence You know what's the point. It's interesting that you say there's a psychological blow to that as well. Let me tell me more about that. What it means to people because obviously there's an economic element one in five people are working there. But but psychologically what does that mean when when air candidate pulls up stakes. Well i think one one is just the dissolution of such a long standing relationship and eric and they inaugurated service and may of nineteen forty two candor. Airport was then the newfoundland airport air. Canada was known as trans canada airlines. So so they've service market before. Newfoundland was part of canada and You know the longest interruption in service that we saw whereas the following the nine eleven incident you know once you all their services closed so you know we're we're long term friends and You know sometimes a relationship could be fractious and sometimes we didn't think we were service at a level that we wanted to. But they've stuck with us through a lot of bumps but i'm you know i guess the pandemic was was too high decline. How frustrating is it for you. I mean this is out of your control and there might be that long relationship at air. Canada would say this is a business decision. People aren't flying and they're worried that they've made the case against For example quarantines being as long as they are. They say that they need to do this. But for you. I mean knowing the airport. How frustrating is it that that there's nothing you can do this. It's been orderly agonizing. And i think You know the ancient greeks defined misery is trying to control that which you can't personally control. I think they were talking about mortality. But i have to tell ya Being in a leadership position at a place like this and to know that your future and a lot to a large extent depends on the the policy support. That's going to be offered by a couple levels of government is a very scary place to be and it doesn't matter what kind of business you're wanting couldn't be sort of a community based not for profit like we are but you really want to be able to pull levers and do the things you can yourself to solve your problems and i'll continue to try to do that. The only thing i'll say with an airport is that There are essential so you know we. We stayed open but it's not for commercial reasons at all. There's no reason the commercially to be open We're open to provide essential services during the pandemic many of them healthcare moving essential goods and people. You talk about medevac area. Water fighting and we put into place a very aggressive steady plan. But you know you don't save your way out of a revenue problem. I think the stakes are or what's most worrying because you'll know candidates such a long linear beautiful country but it's so sparsely located so it's not just about you know who does air canada and westjet service. I mean in our home that has can of the aviation is is the load bearing walls and holds it all together so as we look at this critical issue. It's really a nation building. It's not just about. What support can we provide to airlines. And what role they play. An economic recovery is like how important are these bonds that hold us together. How are you doing in all of this. I mean this is tough for everybody. You mentioned being in a leadership position and you have people that that rely noon. Rely on the airport For employment how are you doing and all this question. Well let me put it this way. I always try to keep some context this and say myself and my loved ones every your health through all this so i'll be grateful for that but i'd be lying if i told you my wife said to me you know over christmas. She's like twenty. Twenty was not the best of you and i think like many canadians. You're you're lonely or angry or more frustrated. Some cases fatter but I think i'm all the above. So i it's been very trying. I try to navigate the stress. The best you can but it's been been a tough year. The not just for myself. I know i know there are many people in a much worse position but Certainly it's been forgetful. I was glad to see the year. Go be honesty into the rear view mirror. You and me both you know you're smart funny friends who always seem to have the best celebrity gossip. I'm talking about the ones who always know. We should be watching or reading or listening to or what have you could pick their brains every week. Pop chat is a brand new podcast. But does exactly that and feels like spending time with your best friend. So join me alameda. Abdul mahmoud and a panel of the smartest culture critics that i know as we dissect the discourse but also have a great time doing it. Hey parents if you're looking for some screen free family fun will you're staying home. Check out the story store podcasts. From cbc kids cbc podcasts. New story store shorties are released every week. These short original and hilarious stories fit anywhere near day from breakfast to bedtime. The story store available on smart speakers. or wherever. you get your favorite podcasts. Reg let me bring in another guest and somebody. I'm sure you know. Well percy farwell is the mayor of gander mayor. Good morning to you could morning. We heard reggie talk a bit about that but from your perspective as as the civic leader how important is a healthy airports to a healthy gander. Connie it's It's vitally important This community would not exist airport. It's one of those rare situations where you know. A community exists to support an airport. And not the other way around. You know on like the image that many people have smaller communities in newfoundland and labrador. We are not an airport where an airport. So it's It's you know a vital concern to us. You know our economy and our culture is dependent on the movement and congregation of people and access and connection to the rest of the world. And what we're seeing is serious restrictions on all that and it's not just air canada pulling out some flights or all the flights. Now there's navc canada. Which has the traffic control station there at gander. And they've announced half candidate has that layoffs are coming soon as well. It's just pain upon misery. I suppose absolutely. I mean you know as i said we're we're we're in aviation based community we have a major presence of candidate hearing gander. We are people who live in our community control. All the traffic transits the north atlantic and of course in the absence of passengers and not as many aircraft or transiting the north atlantic and consequently not as many air traffic controllers are required so We've been hit very hard in from that perspective in terms of employment and so on they may have canada in a couple of different rounds of Of cuts the last number months have removed fifty one positions from the gary area control centre which probably represents six seven million dollars worth of wages in our little in our little community. So and you can imagine the The trickle down from from from that loss so it it is significant. We had a. We have a local company. Here that was providing You know contract it's to provide Flights to To smaller Routes within the atlantic canada contract with canada and those routes of in long since cancel during the pandemic. And that means for this. I'm relatively small company here in our community. The loss of a thirty seven million dollar a year contract and constriction of the workforce that goes. Everyone goes along with that. So that's all you know serious concern to us. Obviously and then there's the the whole impact on the the attractiveness of the area to common living. I do business. And when you really don't see much much way to get in and out of it and so on and to provide health services when you don't have you know we we don't have ready. Access to the region for for securing comes that are critical to maintaining services. Is that something that you worry about the attractiveness of your community. The fact that those jobs aren't there people may not move there but they also may not stay there. That's right. I mean you know we pride ourselves on being a vibrant progressive community and and this certainly dampens. It has threatens to dampen the that sort of View of our community That we're not. We're determined not to let that happen. But that's i guess that's just part of the job at hand for all of us you know. We're doing our part here where we're following the rules or flattening the curve where lining up to get vaccinated and and because of that. I think we enjoy a certain level of personal freedom here in newfoundland labrador. Currently that is the envy of Some some other parts of the country as a result but We're seeing here. Sort of an unraveling we in terms of the connectivity. With the rest of the country we're witnessing unraveling of the national fabric and our province in our community and regions becoming increasingly. Reg when you here. But that about the unraveling of the fabric there are people who call in the airlines will do that themselves call for help and look for bailouts. Look for assistance from government. Do you think that people understand the relationship potentially between helping those big airline corporations and small airports like the one that you are running. No no i don't at all. I think they view the the requests for aid for airlines through a very specific lands and You know this is not a combination of canada but hayden airlines is sort of a national sports. You know somewhere around between hockey and lacrosse or two. it's just. I don't think it's because they lost their bags. But some of the perception there can be can be difficult. And i think to some extent is kind of impeding. The federal government's ability to provide a meaningful aid package. Now you know. I would rather i posit the question. Not why should air canada westjet. No there's get aid is that why shouldn't they. I mean if you look at what's been received left-hander group kalem france there. They've got an eleven billion american delta united got eleven billion sort of cares you know and what we're seeing here is. You're seeing these dots. Just wiped off the map and most of these were at one time considered sacrilegious losing services vital places like yukon cape breton island saint john number fredericton new brunswick a capital. So i mean this. Is that mayor's. This is not a perfectly what he's saying it's a it isn't unraveling of the fabric that holds us together. Part of the part of the resistance might be you mentioned losing your bags that people get their back up when they hear that. You're going to bail. The you know the same company that would charge a thirty dollars per cent. Which or still has your money for the trip that you couldn't go on last year because the flights were cancelled because of the pandemic. No no. I understand it. I mean i'm in line like like everyone else. I've got seven thousand dollars tied up in I wanted to take my young kids disneyworld. I gotta feeling by the time. I got to go. I'm going to be taking them into grandchildren. But i do understand that. But i think in the same way that we've all got him said. Listen i'm gonna wear a mask. I'm not gonna congregate in groups. I'm gonna limit my family exposure. We've all done things for the greater good during this pandemic and i think people will have a hard time. Look at me and saying that. No it's not in the greater. Good that airlines be viable on the other side of this one of the reasons why we are having these conversations. We're going to kind of weave our way across the country do some of this actual real life and get out on the road. Is that in the midst of all of this. We want to hear about the hope that canadians have for better days ahead. What do you find hope in when it comes to the business in gander at the port but also the people who rely on most businesses. Mr merrill start with you. Well i think there is always hope there there has to be. There has to be hope. I mean we we one thing about our culture here in newfoundland labrador. We've become rather accustomed to dealing with Difficult circumstances and we have survived and You know through our ingenuity and our Willingness to support to support each other and and to find that light at the end of the tunnel. What about regimen. You walk through that airports and it should be bustling and in the morning you go and as you say. It's a bit of a ghost town empty museum. Where where are you finding. hope there. Yeah i agree with the mayor. Said i've really had to work very hard to trying to conjure. Hope because there haven't been a lot of signs of it of recently but this will become a footnote in history at one point and to echo to mayors comets. The new zealanders got a couple of characteristics. That i don't know if they're then we'd be you know canadian more so than being from newfoundland but i mean people are fair tougher to galvanize nail. It's we're loved. We're used to hard living and we're pretty resourceful. I mean we most people here fancy themselves as being able to put the tail even the squid so we will with some help we will find a way to the other side and brought her. Days are ahead. It is beautiful part of the country. And i wish you the very best and can't wait to get back out there. It's great to speak with you both. Thank you very much. Thank you take care. Bye-bye by bye-bye read right is the ceo of the gander. international airport. and percy farwell. Is the mayor of gander newfoundland. That is our first stop across the country on our canada's road ahead special series next week we're rolling into antonitsch nova scotia for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.