10 Episode results for "Gaby Rodriguez"
Godzilla Vs. Kong (Special Mini-Episode)
"The hey this cube. From the all points west podcast network. In this month you need to check out. The latest from house on fire gaby rodriguez and her co host semi gaza interviewed nobel prize winning scientists michael man about decades of climate. Change this information. That's been fueled by special interest groups fossil fuel companies and politicians. It's an incredible interview and it's up now so go follow rate and review the show. Now listen there's a couple of podcasts out there called house on fire so don't accept any substitutes be sure you're listening to the first the original the true house on fire the one with the white background that's brought to you. By the cleo institute you can also find the right house on fire podcasts. On cleo's website at cleo institute dot work only accept the best. Go find house on fire. By the cleo institute wherever you listen to podcasts. Move all right. Welcome to a special mini episode of piecing it together. The podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it but today on the show. We've just got this quick little mini. Because i just got back from my first time at the movie theater. Since march of two thousand twenty of course because of the pandemic and everything i had not returned but i'm vaccinated now and we have been planning this for weeks. We went back to see godzilla vs kong which is really one of my most anticipated movies of the last few years anyway but just the idea of going back to the theater for the first time after all this time to see that it's just an amazing thing and i'm not sure yet if we're going to do a full episode on ad love to I haven't scheduled anything because of the strangeness of this whole situation. But what i did do is after we left theater. Set down with my parents to talk about godzilla vs kong and the experience of going back to the theater. And it's about as ridiculous as the other times. I've had my parents on so that's coming up here in a second but As always wanna remind you to make sure subscribe to piecing it together or wherever you listen to podcasts. You could follow us on social media at piecing pod and don't forget about our facebook group popcorn puzzle pieces and of course. This is not a regular episode. So if you're just randomly joining me for the first time and here this. This isn't what the show is. But i hope you enjoy anyway. Check out some of our other episodes. And let's get into that conversation now about godzilla vs com. So we just got back from seeing godzilla vs kong. And i'm sitting here with my parents. You guys doing cleavers from google. We are doing fine. Thank you and thank you for the tickets. Oh yeah absolutely. Awesome the best seats in the house. Oh yeah definitely not your own seats. There handicaps exit was delightful. I got a few questions asked you guys. And so we'll go through 'em and talk about the move along the way The first things. I will start with your mom. Were you team kong or team godzilla. Going into this. Everybody knows me. Well was that i was an enormous fan a godzilla. I probably saw almost all his movies. So i love king kong and he was. He was great as bulls. You remind me of. I think cyrus and return of the planet of the apes like that too much of a beard. The con was neatly. Shaved out take your pill alarm. Yeah now i'm always godzilla forever. What about you dad. Always always king kong right. That's what i was always able submit asleep. Every time out of those that too and i gave away all my god zillah figures remember. I even had a god silly of curtain. I gave everything to my great nephew. Alight for goal. I had some really nice figurines. They're not little tinies big guys. Yeah did you keep any of it. Nope gave it all to you. Live well along the same lines. Do you have a favorite either godzilla or king kong movie before this. I always like the originals. The first ones no always. I'm down with that. Black is also. Yeah nineteen fifty. I remember the first godzilla i verse. Congress favorite gautier nine months later. Believe it or not. I did get that much now. It didn't do well no not at all. And i've i think maybe i've seen godzilla with mechnic godzilla before and with mothra and a couple of other guys. I knew i knew they were putting together. I just i had that feeling. I said This is bad. it's mechnic odds zillah and there's gonna be shit going down real. That's the as well as a monkey. A monkey electrical yet to robot. I don't like robots. I don't do. Robots don't do sifi. Luke could was gorgeous off a little doll. All is she. She was endurance. Will girl will forget about mega godzilla for a second. I did you guys. See the original king kong vs godzilla most likely but i don't remember i can if you want. I can show you a couple of debt has a brand new godzilla movie for me in the bedroom. As a matter of fact they brought me. It's probably from last. Thirtyish i go get it to that now i don't need to see there's a lot of them and not that good. No and mothra watched that just two weeks ago. It wasn't translated was all subtitles. But i enjoy it. you know. She was protecting her babies That's what well this movie charlie's pissing elected. That was a long ways for a little good boy. Janse jolly board so lou. This was all first time back to the theater. And a longtime because covid. Yes was this movie you would have picked to go see back in the theater or did you just go because i made you good. I might have gone to see in the theater. I just. I do not like that. Hell a little bit of scifi shitting. And i really i want. Don't you know. I hated the last one that i saw with the last night. Dallas awful diesels coming back with. I can't wait now. I might have seen a few of godzillas in the movies. I really don't remember the last four or five movies you went to see with me. Were a big monster. Movies shows that my brain is getting smaller and smaller with age. Which shriveling up. Well what do you think setting aside how much you liked the movie. We'll get to that in a second. How much do you think this movie. Delivered on. The premise of godzilla fighting king kong. I would have like a few more fight scenes but the ones that were there. Were completely epic and i don't know how they did it if it said. Cgi should or whatever. But i loved the fight scenes. A couple more wouldn't hurt Sorry for king. Of course well. He's got humanity july. I've i fell asleep action. And he got a phone call. And that sorta stops things. A little bit of flour goal aside from falling asleep. What was your favorite part about the movie. When he the go from stranger days make sure her eyes of wide. I just i was waiting for know Talk about the ending you can. I was waiting for fist-bump. I would love that. It would adjust fiscal and now at the end godzilla and king kong. I did i tell you. I just me. Who's that with. The building. And i said oh god. I building maximum godzilla. Oh my god. And then at the end i said when he was down kong and he's really down and he was weasing and shit and i said you owe garrity. He's coming back he's gonna save godzillas real good zeleny did what do you think. Fist-bump is save. Oh god i think we all knew that they were going to team up. One way or be another sequel. The music was a little bit. I thought music was a little bit much. I it was wonderful. Yeah but it was like shattering and there was enough action on on the screen that they didn't have to try so i won't say anything dirty but it was like come on. Gimme a break so the music was maybe your least favorite part of the would you say now the humans with favorite part actually believe it or not i would say this is some of the best human story. They've had in one of these movies in a long time. Because that's usually the worst. I do you remember any of the story elements from the last few godzillas or king. Kongs also cherise on them but what about the more recent ones. You didn't go to any of those. What about the last king kong. You remember that kong john. I liked john goodman nine. That was the last one to peter. Jackson was gray. Oh i love that one. Yeah that seat comes flying out. It's almost like that was whether we triumph writing this movie. A lot of three kind of stuff without three dimensional liked it in three that could The only other one. I've seen ten years in three days probably piranha three d. Which of course. Those movies in class by themselves on a series. Well those are definitely is. That were inspired by the originals. Yes absolutely well. I think we kind of got the point of of what you guys thought of them will be any closing thoughts on the movie itself. And then i'll ask you a couple of other things. I it's fun. It's a lot of fun and Comfortable seats good popcorn. Well it was very noisy for somebody to sleep. Why otherwise they had enough of a another action going on to make a good kiddie movie. Like an adult movie. Children could see that camping short made. I think so. I would take my kids to see it with you. Did they got. What did you think about being back to the movies. After all this time. I feel pretty good about it. I didn't know about yeah. I i'm sorry i didn't have any sanitizer through the favorite thing was king. Come up the finger okay cake. It was supposed to be that this movies it was supposed to be. Something similar was similar. Well he's got the little kid that he communicates with. That was kinda thing a little different. It is a little different. I like a little kid. Did you like being back to the theater. Yes yes i did. And especially having my son buy tickets and especially. The theater was less than half full delightful and there were no tall drifts in front of me Yeah it was very comfortable. Shut up charlie. Charlie you being noisy during the podcast is not right dave. Well any last words. Before because this up now i thank you for getting tickets and i thank you for picking me up and i thank you forgetting. Your dad's car didn't enough to walk extra overall. I would give them movie on a scale of ten about an eight point five. Okay so i would say yes. I enjoyed it. What about you dad. Well i give the movie. If i point eight but about nate. Wouldn't give it a nine or anything close to you. I'm leaning towards eight point five or nine j. I loved it. I like the monster. The other months not on his show yet. Gene is not here right now. Well that's it for godzilla vs kong but since man gene. Our next trip to the theater is probably gonna be the scene. Nobody had quickly tell us what you thought. Nobody because i know you. Just watch the i. I loved it. It was like a take off on Is supposed to be like john. Wick dot job of the guy. From okay. use willis bruce willis. From what movie diehard diehard. I thought it was a diehard type movie. I love those type of movies. I like tam. Everyone likes diehard but the first fifteen minutes and nobody. I have never seen anything will boring in my entire life. I would rather watch. As george called. Lake george collins said i would rather watch flies fuck than ever see the first fifteen minutes of nobody again whereas i'm better from their recipe. Start a little bit. And that i was minding belies fuck i oh my god. He's going to work and coffee and is gonna work and golfing is on the bus. You'll like it very artsy. Fartsy like orange should be like arts. You like coffee. Says he was so boring. I realized i knew something was going happen. You not not stupid. I knew that it was just leaving big role in breaking bed. I see bring became a star from that again. So unlike figure you're like i can't wait to the theater is that of like on-demand hiller. Oh my god you're gonna fall asleep watching and make coffee lie. Drinan's funding away his co. Got around to this where you've got a choice out to see on tv. What's a see. That's the way you choose. I choose tv. Realize he can sleep and then rewind sleep. Rewi choose tv series binge watching tv. Yes because it's a long movie way day watching japanese one watching for four weeks or even how many episodes what team is that. Is that a was it a sifi you try to watch the show the future him on on and by episodes she didn't realize there's he doesn't believe us that it keeps going. I've seen the commercials for us. Nothing all right thanks guys. It was wonderful. Thank you again hormone. Hi this is wax. Trax records here on twenty nine zero nine south decatur. We buy all your old forty five year old albums any type of music memorabilia. Also we sell music memorabilia album cds at a lot. Come on down on wax. Trax twenty nine nine south dakota or give me a call at seven two three six two four three hundred. Thank you very much a all right so hope you enjoyed that conversation with my parents about godzilla vs kong. Make sure to check out our king kong episode that we did just recently to get a a more full understanding of what we do here on piecing together but we do love to have my parents every once in a while to just chat about movies and get them and get their wonderful thoughts here on the show so thank you to them for joining me and thank you for listening so That does it for today. Like i said i'm not sure yet we're going to do a full godzilla vs kong episode. But make sure to check out our king kong episode. We talk a lot. More about king kong. Because i am of course team kong. What happens in this movie but yeah hopefully we'll get to an episode on it and make sure subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow us on social media app. Piecing pod join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces and let's close out with a piece of music like i always do. Even though it's just a quick little mini episode. I'm going to go at this track creation from my most recent album. David rosen so enjoy creation. Check out the album wherever you listen to music and we'll be back with more piecing it together coming up real soon home Own all points west. Production produced by david. Rosen in las vegas.
In The Earth (Featuring Amy Smith)
"The hey this cube. From the all points west podcast network. In this month you need to check out. The latest from house on fire gaby rodriguez and her co host semi gaza interviewed nobel prize winning scientists michael man about decades of climate. Change this information. That's been fueled by special interest groups fossil fuel companies and politicians. It's an incredible interview and it's up now so go follow rate and review the show. Now listen there's a couple of podcasts out there called house on fire so don't accept any substitutes be sure you're listening to the first the original the true house on fire the one with the white background that's brought to you. By the cleo institute you can also find the right house on fire podcasts. On cleo's website at cleo institute dot work only accept the best. Go find house on fire. By the cleo institute wherever you listen to podcasts All right whether to another episode of piecing together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show. You got a weird one for you. We're looking at ben wheat lease in the earth which comes out today and i was lucky enough to get to see a little while back and join me to talk about it. Is amy smith from the film for thought of wanting to have her on the show for a while now and i'm happy to finally get her here on piecing together. We had a great conversation about in the earth and some of the weird movies that this crazy movie was Possibly inspired by but before we get into that conversation. I do remind you to make sure your subscribe to piecing it together wherever it is. You listen to podcasts. Were of course on apple podcasts. On spotify on pocket casts on tune in. i could just sit here and name like twenty different apps. We're on all of them. I think if we're on ever not on something that you like to use to listen to podcast. Let me know. I'll make sure to get on the app. You could also follow us on social media at piecing pod. You could join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all the movies. We talk about here on the show. And don't forget to check out our patriae on the produced. By david rosen patriots. You might be hearing this episode right now ahead of its actual plans release on the main feed. I'm not sure it's hard for me to tell but Yeah check out the produced by david rosen. Patriot i post advanced. Episodes of piecing together exclusive bonus content also content from awesome movie year and other podcasts. That i'm involved with and from my music. Career got lots of Great content on there as well from my music. I'll be posting very soon the soundtrack to a feature film i just recently scored so Yeah lots of great content coming there so sign up. If you really like what we're doing or you could. Also just you know rate and review the show share it and keep listening that helps too so Let's get into this conversation about in the earth are. It's a myth from the film for thought. Podcast is here amy. has it gone. it's going well thank you. How are you. i'm doing great. I have been covering a lot of horror movies lately. I don't know how that worked out but it sure seems to be the case but looking forward to talking about this one. It's a weird one but before we get into it though. It's your first time on this show. Why don't you tell people a little bit. You and your podcast. Yes so. I have a podcastone for fall. It's basically based on the blog. I also have and the idea of it is just letting people come on and get talk about a film affair choice. Because i know some people don't have the space to do about or don't have an excuse to kind of talk about a favourite film affairs from maybe sixty seventies or whenever so. It's just a chance to give people a space to talk about films awesome. Yeah now that that's a great way to You know. Open the florida people who like you said don't maybe have a An outlet for talking about some particular movie that's like very meaningful for them. So yeah that that's that's awesome. This movie we're going to talk about is an interesting one In the earth from ben wheatley were. Are you a big ben wheatley fan. I was one of the people that defended rebecca. I will say that it actually really enjoy rebecca. But i haven't actually checked out of his stuff. I need to go back and look after it but so far from me. Okay yeah that's gonna be interesting. Because i'm sure that the i know he's one of these filmmakers. Who has the kind of rabid fan base said. Just really either. Loves his stuff where people who just seem to hate him So far the things that i've seen from him. I don't really like that much. But this is my favorite thing. I've seen from him so that that's good at least at least i'm kind of on that kinda trajectory with his with his filmmaking. Of course the you know the big story. This movie is at its oppose pandemic film and made after everything. We've been through over this year and so that is definitely going to be an interesting thing as we get into some of these puzzle pieces. See how that lines up with things. But i'd say let's just start jumping right in What do you got for your first puzzle piece for this. So my first puzzle piece in darnall skis mother. Nice and i've felt this because we're both kind of horror films but they also take a very nature aspect to the story and really in on the nature itself so that was my first puzzle piece. Awesome yeah i i always love bringing mother into a conversation on this show. I love that movie so much. And this is definitely. I would say one of those movies that just gets like crazier and crazier as it goes. It's got that kind of build Just just like mother where it just goes totally off the rails as things go forward and yeah that that whole nature being at the center of everything. That's kinda happening within this. And i will say that that's an interesting thing to this. Is one of those movies where there's a lot of interpretation i think they you can really like you know. Go into his far as you want to as deeply as you want to about what exactly is happening here and You know obviously. Mother has a lot of various interpretations to it. I'm not sure if there are. You know a lot of theories out there within the earth. I haven't you know. I usually don't like dig too deep in 'cause i don't want it to affect my opinion when making a podcast episode but i. I'm sure that there's a lot that could be gleaned from what happens on screen in this movie so for sure I'll go to the first one that came to my mind. Also a dealing with nature and all that that's a neilly shen A movie where bunch of scientists have to go into this this place in a forest where this unexplainable scientific event is happening in that case it's the shimmer and once they get inside. Things are just getting really strange. New just going wrong and going all off and also a lot of creepy humanoid plant figures which there's one of those at least in this could also be like a net flicks formula because then really worked of netflix's forever. Rebecca that is absolutely true. Yeah i actually. that's funny. I forgot about that. It was a netflix film over. There wasn't it in the uk because here in america annihilation was a regular theatrical release. Yeah yeah but i did hear about that. It's weird some movies get the net flicks distribution at some. Don't i don't know who knows. I don't think anyone in hollywood knows exactly what to employ so very on. What do you got for your next piece. probably the most obvious one and i've gone of contagion because of the whole weight handles the pandemic Yeah even filming off any arbitrary described because it was done during cova really tightly in the uk to episode way for them to kind of naturally have the to meet or socially distanced filming onscreen and offscreen and being able to implement an historic. Traffic may did really well. But i think most obvious sort of correlation to that is contagion. Yes sure i. I've never actually seen it like i'm very aware of it. And of course it's it's a movie that's come up since the pandemic and all that And it is interesting. This is a movie that i think really naturally deals with what we've been going through at. I think that's part of what makes it so successful. It's not going to be a movie. We looked back and cringe like a lot of pandemic related movies lately. it. It feels natural. It feels like oh yeah. There was a pandemic in these people went through it and this is the kind of after effects of that and lead into another puzzle. Piece that i had here which is It comes at night which is a a movie where the recently been kind of unexplained kind of pandemic. We're not like Given all the details of it but basically that human interaction has been really afraid because of everything that the people in the movie of gone through. And that reminds me so much of this movie in the earth but also kind of ways of what we've gone through over this past year since govan nineteen and just how weird the idea of getting back out there and interacting with our fellow human beings is right now tomorrow morning. I get my second vaccine and then two weeks later. I'm going to the theater to see godzilla vs calling. And i can't wait but at the same time being around people in a closed room that's going to be kinda creepy and this movie. I think kind of taps into that just like he comes at night definitely was tapping into that ahead of time. Absolutely and yeah. We're not about to mental mayon uk but even just watching shores right. Now were prerecorded and you see him close. I'm like boss. Luke so weird. That's not normal. It's right on top of each other. It's crazy the world so strange. Now what are we going to do. Well what do you got for your next piece. Yeah so obviously like the film isn't out yet. We will close at sundance. So i kind of watched a couple of trailers to kind of refresh my mind and like what i couldn't remember of it and the trailers featured like these tapestries and these references to folktales on kind of reminded me of mid somare surely big tapestry about like ponds across talent. A kind of story also foreshadowing is potentially going to happen later on in the film Absolutely yeah midsummer was something. That definitely came to mind for me to The like you said those tapestries. Those weird creepy art pieces that are kind of were telling things that are gonna come late. Or maybe they're ni- or it's just like kind of hard to tell exactly what they're supposed to be but there's lots of clues along the way. It's also one of those movies that this is one of those movies. The thing that i like about it the most kind of joked about this on my letterbox review. It's one of those movies where you're just like this poor fucking guy like they're putting him through and that's how i feel about everybody in midsummer i mean th. They're all just going through. Just just all this awfulness and it's like there's no getting out of it just keeps getting worse and worse for them no matter what they try to do. So yeah. That's definitely one of those kind of movies. Also midsummer You know kind of just tripping balls in the forest you know. There is a connection there as well because this movie gets very very tricky as it goes on so yeah no definitely great piece. I'm going to go with a piece. That really mainly connects to the third act of in the earth and once once they Connect with the other scientists Believe olivia the name was and she is communicating with these. I mean spoiler alert all around when it comes to piecing it together but especially this movie. It's very hard to talk about without like kind of getting into some of what happens here. But there's this like forest spirit kind of thing going on and they're communicating via flashing lights and Musical keyboards and things like that. And so i thought of Steven spielberg's close encounters of the third kind where they communicate with the aliens through a whole series of lights and musical keys. And so this is of course in this case some kind of weird forest. Spirit that we're never really fully explained exactly how that works. Or what exactly is that. That is happening with it. But somehow or another. The scientists are communicating with it. Through musical he is end big flashing lights. That make for some really trippy. Cool visuals absolutely yeah. I haven't actually vast one film. I do actually need to catch up on a blind spot of mine. Oh right on. Yeah i i saw it a anniversary type screening. A couple years ago think it was the fortieth anniversary So i got to see in the theater and very weird movie for being such a beloved classic but very cool as one. I definitely have to check out. So what do you have next Yes so any chance to talk about cycle. I'm going to take so anytime. I see like a slasher slight slash horror like well. That's kind of influenced by cycle. You don't get hordes and you can't really talk about psycho. Otherwise yeah that's right and yeah i mean we should talk about this so i mean basically the the main plot here we've got these scientists going into the into the woods to meet up with this this other scientists who they haven't heard from end to gather supplies This is all after. Of course pandemic has just happened and they basically get drugged and kidnapped by this. Crazy person. we we. We don't really know exactly who he is. We just kind of think he's just someone living in the woods You know more things get revealed as it goes on But this crazy person. Zach played by ear smith He is pretty frigging terrifying. Oh absolutely yeah like it's so creepy. Especially of how. Like the close up shots of body mutilation and how well they are done and that all kind of leads to what i was saying earlier about like this is this is one of those movies. This poor guy like it's just horrify what they put him through and it's so funny like this is kind of a darkly comic film. I thought like it definitely made me laugh a lot like he just takes it all in stride like like he just like of goes and then takes it just keeps moving forward is like i would be. I'd be dead like minutes into this movie. Basically absolutely i would not want to live if i if i went through a partner entire night. Oh yeah i. I have no idea how this guy makes it but yeah that that that character very very crazy i'll go out to another piece. Here are going to go with combination puzzle. Piece here to movies. The fog and the mist. He get a lot of really cool. Trippy imagery of fog's rolling in. And then we already kind of mentioned about the lights and everything that there's a lot of flashing lights and a lot of strobe effects going on but mixed with the fog and the the knowledge that something evil and dark and creepy is in that fog makes for some really cool unsettling imagery a seems like the whole foggin mustang. You should really be popular and horror but seems to gone away recently. So he's he kind of brought back absolutely. It's like it's something that it's almost like a shorthand lake you just know that's bad you know that something really bad is in there but you know you. You don't know until you get into it. What exactly that bad stuff is. Absolately are for your next piece. Yes so i'm usually not too squeamish when it comes to see body mutilation and horror some of the stuff here was really squeamish to me but it just reminds me but worst one for me is a quiet place. A nail in the fruit about to me is more squeamish like body mutilation sold of the cutting up. Blood just reminded me of that moment. It's a one thing. I caught wall chip. I actually cannot watch it. Yeah i thought you were going to say one hundred and twenty seven hours fairness okay because yeah when it comes to body mutilation that is that is a tough one to sit through yet. Quite plays also i. I actually to be honest. I kind of forgot about the. That's seen but that is pretty pretty awful and yeah The stuff that happens To poor martin in this movie Is just i was. I was definitely kind of like squealing. We'll watch she goes. Oh god you know is it's terrible So i'll go with another piece here. And that is colour out of space movie with nicholas cage from last year. That came out that kinda of you know the whole cosmic horror thing. It's i. I feel like the bill of this. We talked earlier about about mother and like Getting crazier to getting crazier getting crazier kind of build to the movie. A but it's also like the kind of of crazy the kind of horror that's going on we start out with like just creepy nece in horror and then move to strange in horror into just all out nuts harder by the end of the movie and i just thought that that kind of strange build to it the way that colorado space was where things started out creepy got stranger and then went just total ball so the walnuts by the end and i feel like in the earth has that similar kind of bill to it. I will say. Now what. nicholas cage starring ben wheatley film. Ooh i think we all want nicholas cage to give us that. Yes what do you got for your next piece. Yes so this is a final peace. I have but it's also a tv series and its supernatural is. I show i loved for so many years. But the hint of a supernatural but a lot of the episodes involve being in a words or being in the dark trying to hunt something not sure what's really their survival. It's all the different elements that i could really see. Influences of any air right on What's the title of it supernatural. Oh it is just call supernatural. Yes yeah never seen that show i. I believe i've heard of it but Yeah i i assume that People are lost in the woods and Totally shit outta luck. Basically it's too it's basically to hunters go and hunt all supernatural beings and linga. First season is very much going into finding this poor person who felt like they lost saw. Where wolf zone and not sort of progression as it goes on sold. Yeah absolutely right on right on the sounds fun actually sounds like a fun. Take on on that kind of thing with my last piece here. And that is the blair witch project. Because i just felt like once. They got out into the woods. They they're just stuck and there's simply no way to get out for no particular like no explainable reason. They're just not going to be able to get out of those woods and that you know leads to that the supernatural aspect of this movie Which again we don't get any kind of like like straight up answer to like. How is this happening. Why is this happening. I mean there's spirit in the woods so it's like you know. How are we going to really fully explained any of that. You know in a ninety or one hundred minute. Run time how long this movie was. Yeah these people are just so completely stuck in. there's no getting out and then of course you know we we also have zac running around to so there's that to contend with but i mean even if there wasn't zach they're still completely stuck in there's no getting out for them even though it's not found for edge in the earth does feel like bursting still with them on the journey because we never really cut away sure. No that is true that we are through their point of view the whole time and we we never we never really cut back to like before or you know what's happening back in civilization. It's like this. is these two and We're we're with them no matter what they go through absolutely right well. I will review on our finished puzzle. Here we'll get into some closing thoughts on the earth. We talked about mother annihilation. Contagion it comes at night. Midsummer close encounters of the third kind psycho. The fog the missed a quiet place. Color out of space supernatural and the blair witch project Amy do you have any other thoughts on this movie. That we didn't get to that you wanted to mention I do think like the second half is slightly over edited by like my owning real critique but and terms of screenplay is incredibly strong. Is this cream like this is probably one of the best green plates not visit sundance and i'm excited to see how people react to it when it releases as also a film i would have loved to have seen us in. I feel like like crowd by but everyone would have just gone mad for. Oh yeah absolutely. I think people would be would be scratching at all. All those body are moments. And then once things get trippy. And and and i think that would have been awesome to see on a big screen. Also the main thing. I wanted to mention Clinton sell score. Clements is one of my favorite composers and it is a killer score. It's like very oddly soothing at points and then just trippy and crazy others. I i love that music and yes we can do the screenplay i mean it does a lot with so little of and and that's you know. Obviously i imagined that. He's working within the confines of shooting. This thing post quarantine. Let's let's try to do as much as we can with As few people. And you know you know the whole social distancing and all that And it doesn't just really well. I mean i another movie. That came out Post quarantine is Malcolm and marie in movie. I think with a great screenplay that does really really well. But then there's other ones like I'm drawing a blank on the name of it but the woman anne hathaway and shut-away l. Four leah lockdown which was not very good. I didn't think but yeah. I mean it really just goes to show. You really need to deal with this kind of subject matter. You need a really strong script. Something for for the actors for for a small cast or like really sink their teeth into absolutely and i think both malcolm memory and you both do a fantastic job. Yeah so i think that about does it. The only other thing i wanted to mention is i know ben. We made a name for himself with these weird indie movies. That kinda get this big attention. Next up i think is he still attached to the meg to. Es he has what an interesting pivot at one point i think he was attached to tomb. Raider two also. I think he has been dropped off. Yeah yeah so. I i don't know i guess he wants to take a stab at something. Big a next thing and i. I'm curious to see what that looks. Like because i i've only seen a few of his other films i haven't seen them all but yet definitely not someone. I pictured jumping jumping into giant shark movies. But i guess we'll see. Yeah i guess. He wanted to take some and low more fun in terms of blockbuster rather than sam marvel or dc has a lot more commitment issues. Yeah that's true too. I think that he would get to be ben wheatley in a marvel movie But a The meg to maybe he could get the still be weird. So yeah. Hopefully i look forward to. It didn't really like the first meg but i. I'm always down for giant sharks though. That's right that's right. Well yeah i think that about does it for in the earth. Amy's another movie recently like to recommend to our listeners. Ooh trying to think. 'cause i've kind of been on a low right now because i've been doing festival after festival. Sue marches kind of been quieter month. I'll say i was pleasantly surprised that good syllabi kong okay. I i can't wait. No spoilers pleasantly surprised is what i will say about right on. Well that that is exciting to hear. I'm i'm so excited for it. And hopefully hopefully i like it as much as i hope i will. I think the cinema experience will help it a lot. Yeah yeah and that's why. That's why i am forcing myself. I it's i know it's right there in my. Hbo max tv in the living room. But i am. I can't do it i'm waiting. I'm going to wait it out but Amy thank you so much for doing this. Why do you tell people again where they could find you in your podcast. Yes so you can find me on twitter at films with amy and you can find my writing film for don't quote aka and my podcast is filmed for Part being dot com right on. Well thank you so much. Glad to finally get you on. I've wanted to have you on the show for a while now and Yeah hopefully get you back again one of these days. Oh absolutely looking for a new podcast. Check out the infectious grooves. Podcast my name is ross. And i host the show along with michelle. Kyle every monday. The three of us bring you music news and tell you are jamie gm so you'll always have new music to check out the infectious group. Podcast discusses music from nearly every decade genre while openly displaying. Our passion for music unique to here on top of that. We have a thought provoking main topic of discussion. 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I've always been really inspired by clinton and sell and his scores so When when do him proud here. You know what i actually. I'm going to go with a piece. That is currently unfinished. This will be on one of my next albums. Not give a little exclusive preview of something. That i've been working on. I think distract might end up being called swamp. But it'll definitely be on one of my upcoming albums that i've been working on so tentatively titled swamp but who knows hope you enjoy it. We'll be back more piecing it together coming up real soon All points west production. Produced by. David rosen in las vegas.
93rd Academy Awards Predictions (Special Episode)
"The hey this cube. From the all points west podcast network. In this month you need to check out. The latest from house on fire gaby rodriguez and her co host semi gaza interviewed nobel prize winning scientists michael man about decades of climate. Change this information. That's been fueled by special interest groups fossil fuel companies and politicians. It's an incredible interview and it's up now so go follow rate and review the show. Now listen there's a couple of podcasts out there called house on fire so don't accept any substitutes be sure you're listening to the first the original the true house on fire the one with the white background that's brought to you. By the cleo institute you can also find the right house on fire podcasts. On cleo's website at cleo institute dot work only accept the best. Go find house on fire. By the cleo institute wherever you listen to podcasts All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together. The podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show. It's a special episode. Is that time of year again. We are looking at the oscars and doing some predictions joining me. This year is cat from shuffle. The pod and lat next lens and we are going to talk about some of the major categories some of the smaller below the line categories not every category just because of time but We're going to talk about a bunch of categories and what we think will win. What should win and talk about some stuff we think should have been nominated so that is coming up in a second Before we get to it. I want to remind you as always make sure. Subscribe to piecing it together wherever it is. Listen to podcasts. You can rate and review us on apple podcasts or pod chaser if you like what we do here on the show and don't forget to follow us on social media at piecing pod you can also join our facebook group popcorn in puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all the movies. We talk about here on the show so Let's get into this one and we will as we always do on every episode of piecing it together. We will possibly talk a few spoilers. So keep that warning in mind as we get into the conversation But it's oscar time so you should have watched all these movies now anyway right. So let's get to the conversation all right so it's that time of year. We've got with this cat from shuffle. The pod and lat next lens to talk about the oscars cat has gone. It's going good. Thanks for having me back. Yeah this is going to be fun. It has been an interesting year. Obviously very strange year but no shortage of great movies and as as we were Kind of just talking about like just before we hit record here like a lot of them are just getting to where like if we didn't catch him at certain screenings or whatever now they're all coming out like all the sudden there's like so many things to watch and it's it's been it's been fun but hectic getting caught up on everything yeah i. I don't know. I think in two thousand twenty hours just watching more my nostalgic viewings okay. Yeah yeah and then i. i don't know it just i. i'm reasoning. I usually am not like this. But i just see a lot of people watching these new ones and i just like. Do not wanna watch them at all. I knew they were going to there. Were some that. Were good and all that kind of stuff but i was just like not feeling it and then like being on this episode actually kind of forced me to watch some of the ones i hadn't caught up on and then there were some good wins and there's some early it was like so. Yeah yeah but Yeah i was a weird year. Because usually i don't wait this long to watch like oscar-nominated movies so yeah definitely out of the ordinary for sure. Well as i've done in previous years on the oscar predictions episode. Which usually my buddy. Chris crane co host with me but he obviously with the weird year that it's been. He has not really been a following along as as much this year. So i figured i'd reach out to one of my old multiple time co hosts on the show and get you involved but We're going to cover. Most of the major categories a few of the below the line categories. And what i always like to do. Because of course i am. A composer always liked to kick it off with the best score. Category and is nominated is the five bloods terence blanchard manque trent reznor and atticus ross minority emil massery news of the world by james newton howard soul by trent reznor atticus ross and john battista. So turn out because in there twice. Let's kick this thing off. What do you think should win. And what will win. I think it's funny. Because i minority was one of the ones that i just watched and It's actually one of my criticisms of the movie. There's very few criticisms of the movie. I have but it was that the score is very heavy handed in place. But i kind of think that I really enjoyed it. So i feel like as a score by itself Maybe not in the way they used it. I very much enjoyed it and then probably the one that will win. Manque possibly tresor and atticus ross. I wouldn't be mad about that sure. Yeah well. I love the minority score. I do think it should win. As far as like as a piece of music. I love it so i do think it should win. Will win or go with the other. Residents had a kiss raw score. I'll go with soul that. That's that's my guess there. So what do you think is something that was left out. That should have been nominated. I i don't know if i'm being biased. 'cause i i think i love thinking of ending things and i feel like it. Just got snubbed. For many reasons. But i still remember that very vividly like that music so i feel like that should have been nominated just the way they used it And it was very quirky. And i don't know i like that one. Yeah as a great score I was definitely thinking about that one and it will be. It was not nominated for anything. I'm thinking of many things but it will. It will end up on my list later for sure as most likely yours is. Yes i'll put in for my should be. I was originally going to go with gretel in hansel by rob. But that's such a long shot because it's just not the kind of thing the academy would nominate so my more realistic option is the mangrove score from the small x. series of mike michael levi and that is just the it's just a beautifully. Done scored really cool percussion. Just it's just awesome and really just helps move that story along so well and i'm sure there's so much With the format of the whole small series that it really didn't ended up ending up. Nominated for things i mean. I don't even know what they eventually decided. As far as eligibility is concerned but it is one of the better scores of the year. i think. so let's move onto original screenplay we've got judas in the black messiah monari promising young woman sound of metal and the trial of the chicago. Seven what do you think should win. What do you think will win. I loved judas in the black messiah One of my favorites of all the films that are nominated and so i I'm gonna go with Judas in the black messiah for original screenplay Should win will win. I really hope it's not the trial chicago. But i have a sneaky feeling. Possibly but i'm really hoping it's not i'm going to go with a should win. Sound of metal. I just think it's just absolutely phenomenal. Screenplay and that story is just so amazing. I think will win. Promising young woman which i think is a very interesting. You know exciting premise. And unique and interesting film. But i would definitely pick sounded metal over it as far as i'm concerned for. What i think is the best choice. I i- promising. Young women have been seen a lot of social media hype about it and that it was like shocking and everything and all that stuff and i was really excited to watch it. Because i love carey mulligan. I love emerald fennell because she You know the crown. And just the fact that this is the first feature. But when i saw i have to say i'm not really a fan of the story. Line Like obviously you know the feminist angle and all that. But i feel like it takes away. I don't know i'm just not i. I'm not a fan of it. Because of the fact that like i mean spoiler but not really She i mean. Yeah kind of spoiler. But i'm assuming people have watched these movies right. I don't like that. She kind of knew that she would die like she could get killed and like that was like her way of getting back at people and i just found that that was kind of like. I don't know i didn't like that. You know like. I thought i was like you're going to die at the hands of this guy and then get back at him but you could have done so much more by living your life in. That would have been better for your friend. Who got you know what i mean like. I didn't i. Didn't i didn't like that. And so i think just the hype and everything. I thought i was going to be different So personally not a fan of the of the it ended so i totally get that criticism there and i kind of feel the same way to be on the so but right on what do you. What do you think should have been nominated. See how this is a tough one yet is because a lot of the ones i liked are like adapted but it will say i guess and i don't know if this qualifies for twenty twenty but i really liked and maybe it's a twenty nineteen. You have to tell me like the timeline is so messed up. That i don't know but the system the system because i don't know when that came out or I can also go with this one. I don't know if it's based on anything but Barcode i the brazilian movie. I don't know if you saw it. I did yeah very interesting movie. Yeah i feel like that win. Was i really loved it. It was like a crazy sci-fi a futuristic but also socio political thriller kind of thing. So i feel like that was pretty original in my book. So i'll go with that. Because i'm not sure about the system when that might have been twenty two thousand nine so i'm going to pick a backward i. I don't think it got nominee for anything. So i was kind of upset about that. So yeah yeah. I was kinda surprised about that. But i guess it is a strange movie for the academy but it is a very interesting and unique film and definitely worthy of the nomination Speaking of the not being sure about what is eligible for which year. I'm going to go with maybe a controversial choice but sam levenson screenplay for malcolm marie which i love that movie. I know a lot of people do not love it It technically came out and twenty twenty one but it was within the eligibility period. I'm pretty sure for this particular oscars. We're talking about so yeah. That's my pick for original screenplay. I liked that movie too. So i that awesome awesome. So let's move onto adapted screenplay like we were both kind of saying right. There is a lot of really great picks this year to go from. Let's start off with what is nominated. We've got borat subsequent movie film. The father nomad land one night in miami and the white tiger. What do you think should win. What do you think will win. I think should and will win is nomad land because that was one of my favorite movies That was actually surprised. Surprised me because sometimes the movies that get a lot of hype is well are kind of like a. And that. When i was i was like why i even doubt this and i. It was one of my favorites. Like it's kind of my front runner for a lot of these. That i hope win. And it was beautifully like rate in or adopted You know Because i feel like it was probably hard to adopt. Oh and the way that closure did it like wow just like masterful. so i'm gonna say should and will win okay. yeah. I love nomad land. It's definitely gonna show up some of my future picks here but I'm gonna go with should win. Is the father which is a movie that just seem so so difficult to pull off and that that screenplay just absolutely works magic with the premise. And also i would imagine Adapting your own stage. Play must be a difficult thing to like bring into a different different. Kind of format will win. I'm going to go with borat subsequent movie film which there's precedent for it and you know every once in a while the academy tries something a little different and i think this is an example of maybe trying to do that so and i'm sure nomad land is going to win plenty. Yes and not mad. I think i would agree with you on the father Pick as well because that went actually blew me away to the way i if and i think i liked it too because if feels a little quirky Like in a weird way. That's like a weird commentary. 'cause it's dealing with obviously he's he's Dementia and kind of losing his mind a little bit. Because he's what he the disease he has but like. I don't know the way it was done. It was really I really liked it. A very intricate and the way he used the sad to kind of like lay in the mind. It felt very charlie. Kaufman did not get nominated for best stopped at screenplay. I was like well. At least this is the closest one right all right and so by pig fourche showed it got nominated or you know is charlie. Kaufman's i'm thinking of indian things. Of course me me too. We both have talked before on this podcast about how much we love. Charlie kaufman's working. I absolutely agree. That i'm thinking of anything's. It's insane that it's not nominated but It is what it is. You know these these studios they pick. Which films are going to campaign for and for whatever reason this one just wasn't one of them but you know i guess perhaps a netflix's though for actually giving charlie kaufman money to make a movie again. So yes yeah yeah. I think he got snubbed. Really badly he should be in this in this category. Oh yeah absolutely. And by the way to the point you made do think the father. And i mentioned this on the piecing it together episode about the father. It definitely feels like something. Charlie calvin would've had his hand in and that's part of what i love about it so much. Yeah yeah yeah. I didn't expect it to be that. I thought it was going to be like straight drama. And i love bolivia coleman's i was like i'll do it and then like but Yeah it surprised me as well like that. It was that like. I don't know that kind of mine trip thing but they did it. Well especially with. The fact is going through that disease. Like what a brilliant way to like. Do a new angle on it. I think yeah absolutely so. Let's move onto best director. And we've got thomas winterberg. For another round. David fincher from manque lee isaac chung from monari khloe zsa for nomad lands and emerald fennel for promising young woman. Would you have for Should win and what will win. What should win is nomad land. Because that was seamless in the way she utilized the the interviews. And you know like the kind of the documentary style feel but it feels very cinematic in a way. And i don't know i. I loved all her shots in this movie and it made it feel like like i said from from the story initially like reading and i was like all this might be a little bit boring but the way she was able to make it. So compelling and Yeah i i'm going with the closure for should win will win. I don't know i feel like. Sometimes they do this thing where they might give it to someone who Has david fincher juan. Before as he or is he one of those at snub. I want to say that he's been without looking it up. I think he has not won. So i feel like this might be like a martin as type thing right right. Yeah i feel like Possibly he might win for For mink which. I love david fincher and i don't know if you should win for this one but if there's a time to give it to him maybe they're gonna think it's this time okay. Yeah that's fair. I'm gonna go with should win and will win for closure for nomad lands. I definitely see your point. Though with the the david fincher thing. I could see the academy doing that kind of thing but yeah i think it's clue as your though. I think. I think that she's got this one locked up and as we've been seeing these things don't always mean anything but all of the awards and all that stuff. They've all gone to her. And i just i think it would be crazy if she loses but i guess we will find out but what is something that you think should have been nominated again. I'm going to say Charlie kaufman that movie is just. It's just so good. I know the story is just. I guess he suffers from just being too out there sometimes and maybe at face value people. What was that. I don't like it. But i think just every viewing you realize how much how good it is. And so i feel like his directing and also the writing is sometimes overlooked And not appreciated so. I loved like how he what he did in that movie so i feel like he should have got nominated as well. Yeah i i love it. I love it so much however not my pick for the should be as much as i love charlie kaufman. I do think that the movie is a little bit four. Charlie kaufman may maybe for the hardcore fans. One thing i one thing i noticed about twenty twenty there's a lot of amazing Debut films lot of first time filmmakers and one of them that i think would have been great to nominate was doria smarter. Sound of metal. That film is just so amazingly put together and just the way that tells the story in a way that's like unique and and it really is just firing on every cylinder from the from the sound design to the acting to the story to everything that comes together in that film I just think is just done. So expertly and Just one of the year's best so let's move on to the acting categories and we'll start off with supporting actress. We have maria. Buck lova for borat subsequent movie film glenn close for hillbilly elegy. Olivia colman for the father. Amanda see freed for mink and you-zhong yawn for monari Who do you think should win. And who will win. Who should win. I have to go with my clean Olympia coleman i mean. She's already one. But i feel like she should be up there with those two time. Oscar winning actress is i think she would probably be I don't know how many there are. But maybe julia roberts and meryl streep's won a few. So i think she's just as good and i feel like she should get it But i think will win. I think i would not be mad about this either. Maria buckle ova one some of the words leading up to this. And i don't know i think if you do that type of movie and what she had to go through. You deserve it as well. So i won't be. I won't be mad with either of those that would be great if she won I i agree with your should win. Livia coleman definitely is who should win in my opinion as far as will win. I'm going to go with the man to see freed from bank. I just think that she see it. Seems like the performance that would get awarded especially in a supporting Supporting category it just feels like the thing that would win to me and i have nothing more than that to say other than just it feels like it's gonna win but do you think should have been nominated. Yeah oh there is a lot of good performances hit to make up my mind. I wrote like a bunch of them. And then i'm like how about you go first and then i'll i'm going to finalize. Sure sure well my my pick. I think should have been nominated for this. This was definitely a little bit of a tough one for me. They're like you said there's a lot of great performances this year but once i thought like felt like they would actually get nominated. It was kind of a little bit tough to pick from I'm gonna go with olivia cook for sound of metal. Obviously i loved this movie so much and i love olivia cook. I mean everything that i've seen her in. I just think that she is such a great actress. One of the best young actresses working right now. And i just think it's such a strong and varied performance throughout the the time line of the film itself. And there's just so much to the character. And i just think that this would be a great place to Actually start recognizing her for the great work that she's putting in. Yeah i did have her on my list because The sound of metal. Like i don't know. I it was it was like she was in in the whole time when she did. I kind of longed for her. I mean rhythm. Ed is very good. I am not saying that. I didn't like watching him but like she was very captivating onscreen. I have to say. And i i. She's one of those actors. Like i've seen her before and i had to like look up. 'cause like where it but i remember she kind of stands out and everything she does Somebody kind of piggyback off. You say that one to kind of help narain on it that that works for me. All right let's move onto best supporting actor. We've got sasha baron cohen for the trial of the chicago seven daniel kelly for judas in the black messiah. Leslie odem junior for one night in miami paul receiver sound of metal and lakeith stanfield for judas and the black messiah. Who do you think should win. And who will win. Should win is keith stanfield. I stand by my pick. I've i when i saw that movie I know daniel daniela. Performance is the one getting more of the hype. I think but for me what lakisha is with subtle and it's really hard to pull off like that internal struggle And i feel like daniel lewis. Performs obviously with fred hampton. It was more showy in our very good because when they show that clip at the end. And if you see those interviews. It's like it was uncanny. But i have to say that. Like i don't know something about the heat's performance of of really Like what that guy had to go through you know like what is character to go through and you can't show ally you know because it's like he can't give away what he's doing and so. I really hope that like he should win. I feel in my opinion. Who will win. I think it's going to be Daniel colusa just. Because i mean he's equally as great and i think maybe they're they're he's probably gonna get it and he has been winning up to this so Those are two my two picks. And i won't be mad about either like yeah my guy and i hope he wins. Yeah the i. I love lakeith to he. He he's awesome. I think it's kinda weird i mean. I think all of us think is kind of weird that he's up for supporting actor when it should be best actor but that's a whole nother story and who knows how these things work out. The way they do. But i i wanna go is should win. For paul racy for sound of metal which. I'm just so excited that he is even nominated. I did not expect it to happen. But we'll win. Definitely daniel coup the performance to be and it is you know appropriately. Great and i will not be mad at all of you. Wins this one What do you have for something that should have been nominated. Yeah is delroy. Lindo considered would be supporting. Because i know he. He he got snubbed or is he. I think most people are putting them in lead lead. Okay so i would say maybe chadwick boseman for defy bloods because he was shorting actor and so I know he's nominated in the lead Lead acting category. But if there was a time for him you know to be in two categories. He'd definitely deserved that one. So but that was a tough category to be honest. I'm i'm sort of not mad about who got nominated. yeah. I'm glad you said that because i could not pick between four things that i thought it should be nominated so many. I had on my list but chadwick boseman also i didn't have but now that you mention it i think was absolutely fantastic in the five bloods and it's hard to pick between those two performances. Which ones nominated before. So absolutely i'm gonna go with an. I'll mention the other three that i was considering. But i'm going to go with ben mendelsohn for baby teeth Which is a under seen movie. I wish more people saw this movie. And maybe that's why it wasn't nominated at the same time That is part of the reason to nominate. Movies is to get more people to see them. along along the same lines though micheal martin from bloody nose empty pockets which is a very unique interesting different kind movie and absolutely worth getting in front of more people Also brian dennehy in his final performance and driveways which is a excellent little drama with a great performance from him and then the last one not as small of film but if the point of a best supporting actor award is for a performance that stood out and really kind of became something that everybody paid attention to the film for Robert pattinson the devil all the time which is not the best movie but that performance i think is going to be one of the things. We remember twenty twenty. Yeah yeah that makes sense. So let's move on to best actress in a leading role. We've got viola. Davis for ma rainey's black bottom andrew day for the united states billie holiday. Vanessa kirby pieces of a woman. Frances mcdormand nomad land and carey mulligan and promising. Young woman. what do you think should win. And what will win. I really want should win. Vanessa kirby I know carey mulligan. i mean. I think she's probably going to be my whirlwind but Or possibly for 'em i'm kind of torn because france is obviously is one think she went twice. Yeah so that could also be like she. Her performances is amazing in in nomad land. But i just feel a. I don't know vanessa kirby in pieces of a woman like that performance. Talk about making a movie you know. And i think that's the only nomination for that movie. And she's since i've watched her in the crown Like i've always remember watching her. That i like the first scene. She had as Princess margaret. And i were being so captivated by her and like oh my like. She's so good. And i grabbed that. She's getting these roles in like People are acknowledging her and so. I'm very happy that she you know. Given the performance. She did in the movie like i hope she should win. But i feel like it might be carey mulligan because it's one of those things again like she's got a nominated before and hasn't won it could be The time for her. So it's becoming an amy adams situation right right so if if there's a time for her to get it. I think it would be with this movie so she will win. In my opinion. I think vanessa kirby is great pieces of a woman. I just don't like the film that much. I think after that truly amazing opening i think. The phone kind of falters. So that was my main issue with that. But i do think she is She is great in it I think should win is frances mcdormand for nomad lands. I think that she just creates a character. That is its own thing but also fits in so well with all of the real people in the movie. And i just think it's just an amazing performance. And she is just she's the best you know. She's so damn good in everything Will win though. I think it's going to be carey mulligan. also. I think it's her year for this. I think if promising limit doesn't take home anything else. I think it's that yeah. I guess the only the only reason i don't wanna give it to. Francis is because if i felt like i could since she is francis mcdermott. And you know who she is. It's like i felt like. I was watching france's interact with the people if that makes sense like documentary type thing and so it took me out a little bit of it. Not not anything she did but like. It's so good. But i don't know i feel like i was not transport you know like i couldn't just because i know who she is. It's sort of like kind of went against her in my book but obviously very good but yeah so who do you think should have been nominated in this category again. I'm really. I'm like all these all these people that i love her from lake Period pieces but i wish rosamund pike would have been nominated for. I care a lot Yeah so i. I loved her performance in. I mean she did win. The golden globe Although the going globe is not the best indicator of who will win for the academy awards But that would have been like my fun nominate nomination in in my book because she deserves to and i know she's got in. I think she's got nominated for. I don't know if it's for pride and prejudice. Or maybe i'm making that up but she should Or gone girl. Maybe but i think she was nominated for ganga. I wanna see she was i. I don't do so much research for the show do i but But yeah scores pundit. I people should just be happy. I'm doing an oscars episode. How about that I i will go with should be nominated. I've got a tie here. I could not choose between the two of them. That is in dire for malcolm marie. Which of course i've mentioned earlier. I'm not sure exactly where falls. But i'm pretty sure it would be for this year's oscars and jessie buckley and i'm thinking of ending things which as we've as we've mentioned that movie just completely ignored here but she is absolutely fantastic. And you know like we've talked about as you're re watching the movie and realizing just what charlie calvin is doing with these characters The way that she is playing that character that you know may or may not be what it seems and there's just so many layers to it and she just pulls it off just flawlessly. She's awesome yeah. I think i'm snapping at myself. Because i remember watching that movie and thinking like both jesse should get nominated. And so yeah. You're i completely agree with that when she was overlooked In award season. And i feel like that could also be just because it was like that mid It was a consumer right that he came out and i feel like pandemic times just made it feel like leading up to the ostrich especially since it's like now in april it was just too much of a lag time maybe to build up the hype and continue it and so yeah i think that's a major snobby. Ira well. Let's move on best actor in a leading role we've got rid amid for sound of metal chadwick boseman from our enemies. Black bottom anthony hopkins for the father. gary oldman for manque and steven jahn for monari. What do you think should win. What will win. This is a hard one. Because it's between two two actors who i really love and i'm so happy that they're doing so well another nominated but very close. I should win Raise ahmed his. What he did in south of metal was so good. And so i feel like he. He he definitely deserves to win. will win. I think it's going to go to anthony hopkins just because you're obviously what he had to do. Well he's just solid all the time just like Like you said. Frances mcdormand and like you know they're their level of good is just like above everyone else's like amazing so Yeah i think he's going to win. But i have to say like also shout out to stephen. Yan who i hope would win. He's i guess he's like my my My honorable mention. Because i have watched him. You know since the walking dead and then He was so good and like Sorry to bother you and then Well i didn't like his character as much minority. i think he played it so well. So yeah but. I don't think he's gonna win this time well. I'm having a lot of trouble with this category. Because i feel like should win is both -rism anthony hopkins. I think it's just the most impossible picking the world. If i had absolutely pick one of the two i'd probably go resume ed but is just the hardest choice for me. However i feel like will win is chadwick. Boseman for marines black bottom i. I think that they are going to give it to him. And i can't be mad at all because he is so damn good in this movie and I think completely deserved even if those other two performances were so damn credible yes i. You're right. I think he he probably will win. But i i don't know i'm going off what i want to. What do you think should have been nominated. Yeah although i'm not going to be mad if chadwick lindsay there obviously yeah. Yeah i should have been nominated. Like i mentioned because they thought he was supporting but delroy lindo It was very missed opportunity to nominate him and and Yeah i'm kind of. I'm still mad about that one. Yeah i i think we all are. He's my pick to for should have been. I don't understand it says if the academy just has no idea what people are. You know rooting for or they do. And they're just like no. We're not gonna do that. You know screw all you want. Yeah sometimes it's just easier. I think they go off like the names like it seems like oh yeah those are always like like i said solid acting so they go off that and maybe they don't even watch the movies. I'm just how can you not watch that and not nominate them. But what do i do that. Performance is just. It's crazy good. And i you know all the real you know film fans will continue to talk about it for a long time but yeah i think that's maybe the biggest snub of the year. I would say but that brings us to the final category. The big one. Of course that's best picture and the films that are nominated are the father judas in the black messiah manque minority nomad land promising young woman sound of metal and the trial of the chicago. Seven what do you think should win. What will win. Yeah this one. I i i i know i'm gonna open. The wrong envelope should win. It's between two so it's going to be my should enroll in. I think nomad land is going to win So that's my will win And should win the black messiah. Because i take into account The rewatch ability was it. Exciting Was it fun to watch this at the drive in And so it may be unbiased towards it because of that it just felt like oh my god this is. This is awesome to see this movie. And also that you know the soundtrack and like the performances with keith and daniel they could just felt like. Yeah this movie's type thing and then It's it's Like shocker kings. First directory debut. Like what are you. So i just feel like it was an amazing piece of films. I would want that one to like should win. But i think nomad land will win and i also won't be mad about that. Yeah yeah no i agree. I think nomad land will win. I think that is the clear front runner here. And i'm torn as far as should win but i think i'm going to have to go it. Sound of metal. Just because i love that film so much and i just think it's such such a great film for the particular moments of Post co vid and trying to kind of navigate a major life change and you know things are going to be going forward and i. I just think it's a really interesting film and really unique and beautiful film. But i think that this is a really strong lineup. I agree with everything you said about judas in the black messiah i could. I could see that being completely deserving. I also considered the father as one of the best films of last year which would be completely deserving. What do you think is something that should have been nominated for this one. Yeah and i'm probably biased because this is We did an episode of The best international feature film on my podcast ladder next lens. But i have to say when i watched I'm no longer here which is mexican Film directed by Fernando free us like. I thought that was like one of the best movies i had seen last year. And i can't believe it was a nominated for anything like especially for International feature film. So i would have liked to see that because i think it is very much like cinematic. It's universal. even though it is a mexican film. I just a story is you can i i. It's like a one of those things that transcends and so i feel like if there is the best picture nominee like maybe it didn't get nominated for anything else but it could nominated for this you know but the academies. I don't know the track record. You know And then and then another one too going by that same line is La yadana That win that one was just so good as well and it was snubbed. For best international feature film and that one. It should've got nominated for something because what he was able to do with that story and take a a well known story that's like in latina culture and and kind of like adapted the way he did. Yeah i felt like is good. But that's like the genre films that kind of get overlooked you know and hear him odell. To'real has been the one to kind of through that but there hasn't been much after that. Yeah i thought if nothing else i thought was going to be in the best international feature. I was very surprised when it got snubbed. There but yeah great. Great picks the one that i would put in there as a should be nominated is the forty year old version. I feel from rod a blank that on paper just i feel like he shouldn't even work the way it is. I mean the middle aged woman who is kind of moving from being a teacher to an underground hip hop rapper. And it's just it's kind of perfect though and it's a testament to her talent both behind the camera and in front of the cameras at star The writing the strong supporting cast There's just so much going right in this movie and it is. It's so many things all at once. A great music movie. Inspirational movie agree Kind of underdog type of story and you know finding a new path kind of story. I mean it's just a lot of things right and is Really fantastic and fresh new voice. And i can't wait to see what radha blink does next yes and then also just because to round it to bring back full circle. Also i'm thinking of ending. Things should have gone on for this Of course i think about it constantly. And i still like. I don't know we live in our little charlie kaufman. We would've we'll we'll do separate awards show just for him. Yeah i down for that. We will definitely have to do that sometime soon. Ray ray on. Yeah that that covers the categories that we're gonna talk about here today but april twenty fifth. It's ninety third academy awards. I'm very excited. I i love watching awards shows. I know it sounds silly to a lot of people to still watch a word shows especially in this insane world that we are currently in and everything but i am looking forward to it and looking forward to seeing what happens and cat. Thank you so much for joining me for this when you tell people a little bit about what you've got going on i know you just Relaunch shuffle the pod. And also you got going on with latin next lens yes you can listen to me on the next lens We talk about. We highlight a an filmmakers and actors by choosing three of their filmography and kind of dissecting it that way and then also we review films. So that's the representation part that making a film criticism more diverse And then was shuffled. A podcast it's kind of an extension of the film site that iran a chef online dot net and we also just shuffled bunch of different stuff entertainment lifestyle music wellness and some happy to be launching that again. Ob and i'm super excited for that. So if you want to. If you liked what. They said that go listen to those. Yes everyone should go. Listen to those. And i was just listening to the shuffle. The pod just before we got started so everybody can check those out. That's for sure We'll right on cat. Thank you so much for being here and Hope to get you back for another piecing together sometime soon to be back. Thanks for having me again. Hello everyone. My name is magnetically and i am the host of the next best picture. Podcast part of the film. Entertainment awards website next best picture dot com on our show. We explore all year long. What is possibly going to win. Best picture at the oscars we do. This by conducting interviews with people within the film industry holding weekly reviews of the latest vehicle the leases and on our main show where we dive into various different topics. Answer your fan questions. And also do our best to explore oscar histories passed in hopes that it will tell us something new for this upcoming award season race. We hope that you will join us on. Alta dairies podcasting networks. We look forward to seeing over x. Best-picture dot com. Ra so hope you enjoyed that conversation about the oscars will see if we were right about some of that stuff Thank you for joining me for the conversation. Check out her podcasts. Latin x lens and shuffle the pod. And while you're at it make sure your subscribe to piecing it together. you can. Of course subscribe to us wherever you listen to podcasts. If you're not already and if you like what we do here on the show make sure to rate and review us over on apple podcast or pod chaser and forget the follow us on social media at piecing pod and join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces and of course most of all more than anything. 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We're gonna find just some fucking trash bag will just do anything for thirty bucks or something. Astle just subsist. We're gonna find the compositional equivalent the composer equivalent of a of of a of a subsistence farmer in like thailand. Somebody is just literally living off of the handful of beans. They grow every month. Did you know that about eight years ago. I had this Sort of like phone interview to do music for a company and like like to exclusively music for a company. And i found out during the interview that they would have wanted me to Live in vietnam. I think why does not sound credible nothing about that. Sound credible. what. I've found that i was like i did off to about it so in. Did you like willingly. Remove yourself from consideration and i have no idea if it was a scam or not but i mean it seemed real. It was like. I think they just had a whole lot of money and bought like a big property a wanted all their in house composers to live on the property but i mean it could have totally been a scam. It was a scam. Oh oh that this was a comp- a composer thing. Yeah holy shit. Dave you almost got snared and one of the biggest scams that's going on in hollywood. I read the whole thing about this. This is a real thing really. Yeah they They man. Yeah the con- queen hollywood con queen scam and recently a whole bunch of shit. Came out about this so they've had to change it up so i don't know how long ago was that you had that interview roussillon time ago. Okay the con- which has been successfully operated for several years targets. Entertainment industry gig workers who travel to indonesia been recruited to work on the production of a film or television show in the scam gig. 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But there's some sort of exchange rate or credit card exchange rate or something like that little like an angle that they run where on the transaction they make like three hundred bucks or something and right right and it's nothing especially considering all the work they have to go through. They have to pair you up with driver for two days. They have to like do all this stuff to like. You know requires so much work but Apparently it turned out to be that it was this This real nutbag guy named Hargobind job tally romani And he's he's really just a sort of like a weird online scammer. that also goes around in getting himself booked on like a food. Influencers shows and like instagram influence. Her shows and he. It's not some well organized a ring of people. It's just this dude. This one guy and He apparently has such a high volume of this scam. That he's pulling in an he's raking in like Like tens of thousands of dollars and just kind of living on the com- you know like running all these other little scams hands and shit like that. He's he's just this really weird guy and whatever were over. What stuck out to me about the story that i found to be so interesting. Is that at. No point is any law broken. Oh i bet there's no law that's broken. There's nothing you can do to go after this guy. He can just continue to do this. And like it's insane. Because i mean obviously there are laws that are broken. Like he's you'll be like this wire fraud or mail fraud but like what i mean when i say that there's no law that's broken. There's no law that's been broken. That has a an entity a law enforcement agency that can enforce it from where it's being broken and it's this really unique weird milange of circumstances where this guy has figured out some scam that he just pulls people in they end up going there. They think they're moving there for a period of time to work at rain and they end up eventually. The driver abandons them and they're just left in a hotel room that they don't have have to have to get back on a plane figure figure out how to get back home now. Everybody always wonders like oboe. Shouldn't it be that like that's the point where they really extort you where they have you stuck in another country the nightmares that you're stuck in another country and you have nothing in you. What do i do. What do i do. That's what they would like. Put the screws to you as it were but no they just leave. The guy just leaves you. Because he's already got just a couple of hundred bucks it's done done before it gets too heavy before he can implicate himself in a way. That actually gets them in trouble. It's just damn that's funny booking you for music work right. Yeah yeah it was probably almost almost got hooked up with this guy. Apparently amy pascal fell for it like these people. 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I think that maybe it's all the subsequent years where matches rapid all music has become has just kind of like i don't know how to describe it man and i'm sure i'm not the first one to try to say this book has just has just. It's like paint. That's been absorbed into the wall it. There's nothing there's no contour to it. There's no texture. there's nothing to it and like this guy was somebody who was there was super texture to this guy not so much. Textured him Rappers these days are like. I don't know i know a lot of people have like i know. People love this movement of hip hop today. But i don't i don't know i don't feel like it has any of the humanity of like the was. His style was so supremely human. He was just a big gaping open wound on the stage. It was awesome so fucking good and I don't know just just something bygone. And the the other thing i wanted to say is that i think that it has a really special. He's like a hyper targeted artist in terms of his demo where everybody loves him everybody knew him but specifically for people who were like a little like our age who are like a little bit too old to be millennials but a little bit too young to be genetics. Like i don't think gen xers really connected with the mx ex. But like. I don't know there was like that. That little slice of era. Where if you were like twenty years old in the year two thousand e that then this was just specifically it was made for you. There was music that was made for you. Well as all the good things about underground hip hop with all the good things about mainstream hip hop all rolled into one. And i think more than anything i think. He is such a character. And i think that's something that we all love so much is that you don't see that a lot nowadays like i you know i guess kanye west maybe but Like all of the little wrappers though they all are just completely interchangeable as far as their personalities. It's all just kind of the same shtick but this specific thing. I'm trying to think with my limited knowledge of of hip hop these days. Who still personifies that. Sort of like i mean. It's hard to use the word joyful. But i really do mean it like. It's like like a wink in a nod and a real like i'm. i'm. I'm glad i'm out here doing this. I'm like i'm i love this. This is fucking so much fun to me. Type moon attitude. I don't know that much about the guys that were up at the only one i can think of who seems that way post malone who seems like he's like maybe in on the joke or not even really the joke. It's more like he's he's built this thing and he's like taking it out for a test run. He's like how does this you know persona fit. Would you guys and i. i still don't really know what he is. Because like i've heard. I think two maybe three of his songs and i would liken it more to the backstreet boys than rap music. But i know he's technically a rapper. I i don't understand. I don't get it from the couple of songs. I've heard that is sure a lot of people that are or have been categorized as rappers at least to me. I thought that they were always referred to in that conversation of rappers i listened to a lot of their stuff and try to give it a shot in. It's like there's no wrapping happening. No i wouldn't. I wouldn't call it dad like not gonna like like say that it's terrible without like listening to a full album or something but it's just not how much not rap music how much frank ocean of you listened to not much. I've heard of a couple of singles. I've heard a few effort some frank ocean and it's good but i don't. It's not rap music. Though it's he's so that i see. I always thought that he was supposed to be a rap artists. A him just had no clue. We have no clue the to. It's just done. This is the part that i always tell you about the part where your ears go stupid and you stop it stops making sense and even like some of the people whatever like some of the people you knew about the they disappear. You thought that they were going to be the next music. That was going to bridge you that they were going to be the next boot. Tanger the next fucking dinosaur junior or something like what happened at edwards. sharpen the magnetic zeroes. What happened to that guy gone. Nobody he must be around somewhere does not. He's not could be playing. Life is beautiful. That's gonna happen to milk hotel if was actually a group or was that an album title group group. I would presume. They're probably still around like what happened to like the you know we're all our heros gone dave's true we were talking about this. What is it that has in the modern culture of like a million post watch and rewatch shows and series end and talk series after the show is over a thousand blogs and articles shit written about the latest episode of ray donovan or whatever like oh tonight's ray donovan reagan's a little frisky with the colombian housemaid or whatever like there's articles about that. There's podcasts that do you know billions wrap ups you know about like like and but why is that. Like i guess we'll call vulture culture where it's like you know like you pick apart the pieces of original content. That's being made. Why are all the vultures so hungry for tv and tv movies and games. ned don't give no culture vultures. Give a fuck about music. The nobody's out there. Making podcasts. Or reaction shows. I mean yeah. Of course you're going to say well. Here's seven examples of people doing it but for the most part like commensurate with the space that that genre or that they do exist they have to have like a like a very specific niche or some kind of like hook to make people care about music like what does this mean to. This out of. This movie is that an appeal to nostalgia or that. The there's a great podcast. And i've been listening to I'm i'm not going to give him a free plug because fuck that but even find it. It's a show that about like Show that defined the nineties basically the ad It's good. it's a great podcast. I can't like front. It's really well made and the guy who writes it is really good. Put like can i just do a series of sixty songs that came out this year or the last three years and have anybody gives tracy. Yeah like deconstructing. You had this idea a brilliant idea. I thought of you know what fuck it because we're probably not gonna make that show so if somebody here is now go crazy. Have fun if you if you want to do a music podcasts. Nobody will listen to enjoy but like The idea was to just like immerse yourself over the course of like. What was it like a week in one song with playing it re listening to it and then revisiting it every day with somebody else's also doing the same thing and china i guess players like get see what new things pop out at you and like because you know each time you listen to a song. Your relationship with it changes a little bit. I mean that is a real thing. It's just who wants to sit and talk about it and then who wants to listen to those people since about it. Yeah that also like presumably. Is this music that has already evocative of something like this wildly popular. Music is music that the person is already very familiar with or is this like a new track like the you know Like our old bit on this. Show the What do you call it Who i have to do. I have to. Yeah which we gotta do against. Sometimes we got to do another. do i have to. Yeah all twenty five hours of banshee. Do i have to make an entire podcast of vinci. That's that's open ended. News show new feed create a twitter four. It created so hosting website launched. Its own wordpress. The whole thing schedule some live shows reading full logos brand book brand voice proprietary a Drops and interstitial music to talk about the three seasons of of cinemax is banshee. Vagit us just putting out little messages on all of our other. Podcasts like okay just so everyone knows this podcast going on a little hiatus while we start. Our banshee were at deep. You have eight guest host lined up for piecing it together. Listen guys push all everything on the calendar by about three months forgetting to get this but we have a feeling. It's getting really be something. Will we get it going. It would probably be the most popular thing we do. But i'm ably if we tried to do like a tire series on metallica. Or something or not. I don't know like what is what is it. Better select jason is bell like i mean. We wouldn't be able to get a single download. I've eighty would be an excuse for me to just spam. The jason is bill. Fan club podcast. I got three sleep. This bill has twenty teens. Got got gotta write a mine. I gotta write a mind. That's the name of his album that he came out with in thousand seventeen. That's a good one. I gotta raido mind. Got a ride a mine. It's either one. it really says more about you. Will you hear get a ri- gotta gotta right divined. You're looking around for a fucking. You're not going anywhere not going anywhere. Why are you like edging towards the door somewhat. Someone snowball someone sniff my leg. I wanted to see who it was. So sound like a bucket dummy so all that is pretty sash depending on your perspective. I suppose whatever brand of big we were talking about Steve here's a question for you. Okay i don't want you to spare. My feelings is at the end of his life. There will be a pendulum. At the end of everyone's life. there's a pendulum and it off. The it represents a balance of whether or not during your life you were funny or not funny and it takes into account when you were hot shit when you were a little kid and you made the whole class laugh or maybe during the when you were a little kid. You were shy and introverted. And you didn't. Maybe you came into your own when you're in your twenties. You're you've found your friends who found this people that are really your people. You became funnier than or maybe. That's when you became an introvert. Or maybe that's just when you were really focused on work you didn't have time to be funny but Age into you know the funny daddy you agent to the dad that has like the the the terrible boring stupid jokes. And then the old man who just stares sullenly into the fire or the one who's like jovial and Still continues to make people laugh. But i'm balance you go through a bunch of you go to go through a bunch of those phases during your life right but on balance at the end of your life you got the got the meter at your shin on balance. You're funny or you're not funny at the end of his life. What will bill maher's bounds. That's a tough one. Tough one right. That's really really hard because he's really taken it right now. Oh yeah like nine. Ten years have been a real like rocket into just pointed directly at at the earth. Yeah and a lot of it. A lot of the things he's he's like getting in trouble for quote unquote. Nowadays are the same things that i used to defend him for. Like where it was like. Yeah you don't say that but like you know kind of is making a point. And he's sticking to that point and he's being funny while he's making that point and maybe people don't think it's funny because they don't agree with it but he there was a joke. They're in certain people got it and laughed about it but yeah now it's just just the act of having that show just seems trite and lame. Yeah and a real power play. It's very pathetic. If feels very pathetic like it's it's really just kind of holding onto let me not downplay. It still a significant amount of influence and whatever cachet in this bankrupt culture that we have right to would friday night. So he's on. Every friday night on the most popular Premium cable show our premium cable channel. he's got a new show for an hour and interview show. That's very prominent. You know but like what he's come to represent is so remember was at the time and he probably got bad before this. But the time that i specifically remember was one time he had ben affleck on and ben affleck for some reason in all the memes afterwards the like or the you know the video wrap-ups and the shit on social media generally said that like ben affleck had lost the argument. But if you re watch that. Ben affleck clearly won that argument that they were happy. Having i think it was over Israel palestine overnight raves and ben affleck along with along with being right on the issue. Ben affleck was was Was also more convincing argument. He made a more convincing argument. And i think that that was like the. I don't remember what that was. Probably what came out so maybe nine years ago or something sounds about right seven years up and that was around the time that it became aware like wow bill maher have really thought about him a lot but i what i used to think about him was that he was funny. Even though i didn't really know much about him and now. I realize that he's like not fucking funny. Man fucking sucks. He sucked so bad. Well and this is the thing to like is this is a this is a hard thing but ever since trump. I mean we've talked about this with south park you know. I think that this kind of applies to him to that. It's been really hard to make like actually good comedy out of any of this stuff politics. Earn events yeah. It's impossible to it. It's not the thing that everybody says. Where the comment common the the real life is the comedy right. It's just that it's it's not about it. Being funny to being abject and pathetic it feels it feels bad to laugh at it because it's abject pathetic like everything that's happening and also it's kind of a laughing at yourself like so there's some perversity laughing at yourself too much and that's kind of what if you have to sit back and laugh at this shit. That is broadly happening in the cultural consciousness and the politics which has become like basically the second tier of of culture. Now like to sit and laugh at it. It's like his like it feels like very self deprecating to the point of being very depressing. We're pointing this at bill maher and i think it's fair to use him as the example. But you know colbert. John stewart like they all none of them are particularly funny anymore or fit for the moment. Maybe like yeah i you know like i gotta say. I've discovered a lot of people particularly most of them in podcast but in the last like five or six years some of them are like whatever youtube youtube or they have their own little shows that they do their own little weird they do. They're weird shit on twitter And i've found lots of comedy in the last five years in those corners. But i feel like it's a losing proposition to be twenty fifteen. Stephen colbert like you're gonna lose no matter what because you are tied to this anchor. Which is legacy media this monolithic. Enormous like j- just just a a you know sheets and sheets and sheets of of Standards and practices that you have to adhere to and just a maze of walls. You're kept inside of that. You can't and like and also you're just hitting that part of your life where you're like fifth in your mid fifties where you're probably naturally gonna start losing your edge and stop being a as funny even even if you were given carte blanche and you were given like all the resources to do something edgy. And cool and funny. Look they did that with david letterman. They gave him a show. They let them have the fucking beard. They let him the do it the way he always wanted to wearing a baseball cap sitting in a living room and interviewing v literally ten most famous people on the planet and that. Show fucking sucked. That's was boring as hell. They gave every single thing in the will they give i think of the last contract. They gave howard stern of billion dollars. His show sucks shit. It's awful a billion times worse than like it. Anything that he that used to produce in the eighties nineties. Whatever after the two thousands or whatever Back when he was on terrestrial radio. You know it's a harder one for me than it than any of these guys is merrin because i feel like marin is a little bit more like dialed into just being some guy. Having conversation which is on its own is already better than being dressed up in a su- with like millions of dollars worth of production quality. All around you and all that stuff you know. So it's it's better just by that nature and i like him but at the same time i just i. Don't listen to it anymore. Because it's like who cares. They're standing american though. And i don't listen to at all anymore either. But i've heard from people that he is lik. You can turn on any like random episode and just hear him talking to like You know like snyder or something like that. And and apparently he still has a fucking fastball on his interview his interviews are still very good family. Which there's a weird. There's a weird thing that people do where they like. There's so many weird rules about interviewing right like not putting yourself at the center of it but also somehow like the people who are best at doing. It ought to put themselves at the center of it like like howard stern. Everything is kind of about himself in Saint like you know if you want to extend that to the lake absurd level than like you think of the various characters as sasha baron. Cohen does their incredible interviewers. Because of what. They're able to get out of the people but by centering themselves. Like they're kind of the joke the big joke and the people that they're you know purportedly interviewing they poke great they pull gold out of them. That's what dot howard stern does he pulls gold out of people. Yeah it'd be more but he used to. I suppose and like i wonder. When you're like a funny guy. Like stephen colbert or somebody like that. Maybe it must really neuter you to have to become an interviewer. Should have probably just always been a sketch comedian. Like how can you expect an. It's funny because that's the dream. Job is right humming a talk show host right that all these guys want their own show where they get to have a variety show. That's every freakin night. And all this money to do whatever you can think of what. What element of music production were you the absolute worst at you think i would say how about marketing. Your bad at marketing. Yo sure like just like wrangling. Up a bunch of people to go to something. That's not your your area so like what if you were so good at being a composer that i took you and put you in a position. Where like you're the top top guy in charge of markets. Like you such a good musician. You have done some of the best compositions that i've ever heard. I wanna take you and hire you and put you in charge of marketing for my my music company. Okay yeah this is what i've always wanted. I get to build my brand to be famous. I get to be like a big shot. you know. Do all this this shed and yes. Am i going to be doing the thing. I'm absolute worst at ed. Ed ed like nobody wants to see me doing yes. I'm going to be doing that but a well. And then that's what it's like when you take somebody who i'm sorry man but anybody who watched like strangers with candy knows that stephen colbert is like bitingly viciously funny in a way that very few people have ever have ever been. I mean like the darkest most fucked up shit has come out of him and those creators and the same creative team that he still works with. I think and i don't. I don't know i don't i don't know how you watch that. Show that he does every now and like and try to like. I don't know jive that with and tried to reconcile that. With what he he used to be. It's crazy i i don't explain that shit. You sent me a clip like a week ago and it was like it was the worst thing that i think i wiped it for my brain remember. Can you describe it was it was it was it. Was it like a Was it a Animated thing yeah honestly. I'm cut out to as you remember. It was created this stuff that flips it you see ads where jimmy kimmel and jimmy forte. What's his name johnny forte. what's this shitty valid. Gb baba's jimmy fallon if you see the clips that these guys and the other guys set. Seth means i remember what it was. Now dark hang on. It creates dark clouds in your brain where you can't find the the files you can't shut down the memory. I seriously brought it up and could not remember it. But i just remembered it now. Yeah it was gandalf saying you shall not pass to the corona virus and the virus goes is like a cartoon corona virus and he goes. Oh well i'll go with the white house staff or the trump white house. One of the worst things i've ever seen in my life and a few weeks ago maybe a month ago or something. Oh no it was for the tape. This is the worst thing i've ever seen. Did you see the jimmy kimmel. Hannah abated since the worst thing. I've ever seen the show to you the day. That trump was picked up. Doesn't that feel so sad to watch like it. Makes you feel like like bugs crawling on the inside of your skin. Actually that's actually worse than the celebrities singing imagined backward virus. It's his worse than the celebrities. Yeah i don't know why they do that stuff like don't they wanna be funny still. Is that something where who try to try to explain to me. The lick tip the producers in the room that the executives in the room. That are saying like okay. Well how about this would have. People like people like Like the national monuments. I guess like What's funny martin. Luther king busting out busting out of his monument to dance over the election of a man who supported segregation joe biden. I mean that's a whole 'nother level. I don't even want to go that far. I honestly have no idea what to say about that video. That shit was so bad. What do you drink in their sunkist. Orange zero sugar very cool. I don't imagine that this is substantively. Much different that Lacroix right basically just like a flavored water. Yeah good with a bunch. Fake sweetener in it. Oh my god mad those it hurts to think about that right you either. You either diane or get rich die tryin. Yes get ritchie try. That's how that goes. That was a little bit. That never went anywhere right and we have so many news things to talk about. I don't even wanna talk about any of them. That was a little blueprint. That never really went anywhere right like that. I have see remember. i have see was launching. Two or three new comedies. Like original comedies. Every i know every six months or so they would have like comedy bang bang and they would have white kids you know. And they would have The marin and they had Todd margaret which was hilarious show. That's been completely lost a time. You know it's funny. Actually all those shows you just mentioned in my mind. They were all lands. No all those shows are on. I've see i've got the forgot i have see was a channel like i thought that i just come to it all in my in my brain. Yeah i was kind of some of the cooler shit. Like seven or eight years ago fell off. I see them fell off. Yeah yeah we actually this week's episode in. Ifc film come true play. Yeah they put out some good like horror movies and stuff they're like. Ifc midnight brand. I think it's called but But yeah i don't. I don't know about the channel though that even still exists or has shows original programming or i don't know i have no idea the used to though do you sir good shows on the shows. You mentioned those are all bangers true bangers if funny that's what that's like what todd That's what David cross was doing while While bob odenkirk was finishing up breaking bad us doing don parker those two will always be linked. I suppose like nobody. And this should be the media. I think so. I think that that fits.
Godzilla Vs Kong (Featuring Joe Black)
"The hey this cube. From the all points west podcast network. In this month you need to check out. The latest from house on fire gaby rodriguez and her co host semi gaza interviewed nobel prize winning scientists michael man about decades of climate. Change this information. That's been fueled by special interest groups fossil fuel companies and politicians. It's an incredible interview and it's up now so go follow rate and review the show. Now listen there's a couple of podcasts out there called house on fire so don't accept any substitutes be sure you're listening to the first the original the true house on fire the one with the white background that's brought to you. By the cleo institute you can also find the right house on fire podcasts. On cleo's website at cleo institute dot work only accept the best. Go find house on fire. By the cleo institute wherever you listen to podcasts All right welcome. Sue another episode of piecing it together. The podcasts where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and it is finally time to take on the movie that i've been looking for two more than any other movie. Maybe ever in my life honestly we are talking about god zillah versus kong. You guys know. I'm a big king kong fan. We just recently did a breaking it apart episode on the original one thousand nine hundred eighty three king kong which also happened to be the last movie. I got to see in a theater. Before the whole cove. Pandemic shut everything down saw on march fifteenth of two thousand twenty as a anniversary screening. Then everything shut down. I did not get to go to the movies for thirteen months. Which is just insane considering. I'm usually at the movies at least once or twice a week. My whole life so Yeah weird year to say the least but my return to the theater. My glorious triumphant. Return to the theater was for godzilla vs kong. There's no better way. It's almost like it was meant to be. And i went and saw godzilla vs kong in dolby. My favorite way to see a movie of course As soon as my vaccine had kicked in say two weeks. I was good. I coulda went soon as i got that vaccine but said wait two weeks after you. Get your second vaccine. And that's what. I did two weeks to the day i was in the theater with my wife with my parents with my wife's brother Couple of friends were with me and we had a blast. It was great this movie rules. I don't care what anybody says in verse con rules and we are going to talk about it joining me for this one. Is joe black who you have heard here on the show before. I did not expect to get him on here for such a big popcorn blockbuster type of movie but I'm happy to have him here. We always have fun. We have joe on the show. So that's coming up here in a second but before we get to do on remind you as always to make sure. Subscribe to piecing it together wherever you listen to podcasts. And over get the follow us on social media at piecing pod and join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces so with all that said. Let's get to the conversation. It's a long one. We have a lot to say. We've got a lot of zilla to get into. I've been waiting this for a long long time. This is the movie. I've been wanting to talk about pretty much. I feel like since the beginning of this entire podcast. it's godzilla vs kong and joining me for it. I didn't expect him to be the the guest for this one. But hey sometimes things work out the way they workout. Joe black is back with us. Joe how's it going. It's going great. I did not expect to be the guest on this one either. That's right but i mean yeah it makes sense. It'd being the new rebecca hall movie. That's right that's ex- perfect sense getting that in right away here. I like it. Yeah rebecca hall. Let's just say. Let's start the conversation with rebecca hall. Have you seen someone have more fun. Delivering ridiculous lines. Oh then she has you know. I've followed her career very closely since she was in vicky cristina barcelona. You know like everything. I've seen everything even back catalog. And i have never had as much joy watching her in a movie. As i did when she when they get really close to like kong and godzilla and she screams it cuts from Skarsgard to her and she's like it felt so nice to see her. Like you know playing if you will. 'cause she's not like your typical uptight british actress or anything but she has She has a kind of like intelligence to hers. Orleans her a certain roles you know then so the fact that like she got to play in the sandbox. Shane black puts it. That was that was that was half the joy of the movie for me absolutely. Yeah con whisper as it were amazing but Yeah this movie. Like i said i. I was so excited for this. I by the way came into this hundred percent squarely as team kong. I just a big fan of king kong movies. I know we've talked about this off. Mike before i love king kong godzilla. I think is an interesting character. And i've talked about this on the podcast before. I i love that Filmmakers get to put whatever they want on godzilla interesting. I think that there are some good movies in the canon which is like i dunno. Probably forty movies at this point. It's ridiculous but generally speaking though i don't love godzilla movies. I love king kong movies and while this movie is squarely within a godzilla series. It feels a little bit more like a king kong movie i. It's definitely kong movie. Much like batman versus superman was just a batman. Movie that superheroes in it's it's this is kong's movie starts with scratching his butt and taking a shower a absolutely right. Well i feel very similarly. I mean king kong for me the original king kong. I saw when i was nine years old and it just like floored me and i actually played that movie. The new beverly a couple of years ago and even with an audience full of adults. That's one movie that like. It's still as good as it was when it came out in thirty three legged. It still plays the same way. There's plenty of classic movies that don't play as well as they used to. You know what i mean like like psycho honestly is not scary anymore. You're right but king kong is still thrilling. And they've just really botched him ever. Since in my opinion ending. I told you i think this is the best kong movie since nineteen thirty three and godzilla feel similarly about how you feel except that i think i don't really care for any of those movies but you would think that i would because i love absurdity. I love science fiction. i like. It's that's my bread and butter. Sure like the james bond series. It's like i think my issue with the godzilla series is that i don't really like the character. Yeah i like all the stuff happening around them. I don't dislike godzilla but he's not interesting yes to me. He also is an early example of a problem with a lot of you know recent superhero movies. Which is you know these characters who nothing can stop them completely invincible. So there's no stakes right. Yeah no. I i agree like you know i know that this i mean this is one of the main reasons i didn't expect to be on this show especially with like up until this one the only godzilla movie i liked to matthew bratcher on like you know and and that's show black ladies and gentlemen. I know i know but that actually has my favorite joke in any movie ever. That's when matthew broderick is doing little test and he's got the saliva sample and the girls like a saliva sample. How close did you get to this thing. And he goes. I got pretty close. But yeah i have so many friends out here. Who like adults. Who godzilla is like genuinely their thing like they have been greens they have you know and And i've gone to see it with them the last couple and and they walk out happy as a clam and i walk out bored to tears. Yeah yeah but this one Kong aside this one just right out of the gate was right was right on the money so yeah absolutely well. Let's start getting into some puzzle pieces. There's plenty of other things around the movie that will get into along the way. But what do you got for your first piece. okay The first puzzle piece. I have is a bit of a like there. Two moments in the movie where specifically that one moment is from something else one hundred percent and the first one i was going to do lethal weapon to And technically the the following sequels but when kong gets Gets ready to get back into the fight and his his his shoulders dislocated and he he does. The martin riggs dislike rams his arm into the side of a building and he cracks his neck. And he's ready to go. That was i tried to. Fan boy lethal weapon. I mean how can you not you know especially. It's such a wonderful moment right. Yeah like like you know. And so i. I feel like the shoulder. Pop thing is one of those things that will actually outlive lethal weapon. Like people won't remember where that came from. You know kinda team. America when matt damon is like matt. Damon like yeah. Everybody does that but ninety percent of the people don't know or remember where that came from sure. Sure but i'm glad to see that. The filmmakers kong with godzilla vs connor keeping lethal weapon alive. Oh yeah since you're bringing that up. Let's stay in the vein of paying homage to other movies. Because i think that's a that's a great one right there so i'll just throw in their die hard and jumping off the building just as the explosion is happening and we get we get cong- of all people doing that jumping off of the off. Think yeah off of the boaz as godzilla shooting his laser breath explaining the entire boat. It's it's just a wonderful moment. It was in the trailer but this is one of the few you saw in the trailer moments. It actually is so much bigger and better in the movie in the moment of the movie. It's just so exciting and so great. I agree it's not only the exact same pose like the like zach same shot and it's inside it's perfect it. Yeah i'm not gonna lie. The first time. I saw the movie. This is very funny. I have a real problem with falling asleep during movies in the theater like at home. You know for some reason but in theory. It's as cold and nice. I don't know. I fell asleep at the beginning of that sequence. I fell asleep right before he showed up. And then like. I was kind like slow like trying to force myself to wake up during it because the sounds are waking me up and i woke up just in time for that shot and i was like i'm missing. Something real good here. Would i ended up seeing the film a second time. While on my on my honeymoon in in saint thomas in the congratulations. By the way thank you. Thank you very much lucky her do. We went to the caribbean cinema on the island that we were on and that was like kind of the only thing playing. Yeah much to my wife's chagrin of like. Oh we're going to go see the new rebecca hall movie on your on on our honeymoon. I said shore right but at twenty nine up for we'll see that sequence full you know what i mean is you gave me like i dunno like i've never regretted falling asleep in a movie so much and that pay off is wonderful. I actually don't die hard movies like recently. She'd never seen them. And would you believe me. If i told you that like she really loved to which i did not see come and like i you know i found the right one. Yeah diary rewatch. I think is on the agenda sometime soon. I haven't seen any of them since they came out basically. Yeah it's been forever. The only one that i really watch three like like i. I like the. I like the first one a lot but three favored threes and three at the time. I think they saw three in the theater like five times when it came out. Yeah well. I saw it the once. But i didn't have a car so yeah that works. I was what you're that. Come out ninety five. Yes sounds about right. yeah. I was seven for joe. Couldn't make it back. that's fine what do you wanna stay. In the vein. Another one of those. Yeah i got one more of those a in the same big battle sequence. The pulp fiction came to mind when they when they reset kong's little kong heart there Either either pulp fiction or get him to the greek where the and it's so funny that like at the beginning of the movie when the girl mentions like how powerful the little spaceship was. I was like okay. I wonder how that'll come back into play. And then i saw as soon as she like. His heart is slowing down. I was like. I know her going this sure. Why not. he just got his chest. Ripped open by a giant lizard just defibrillator. That's worked for me. It's a it's so funny that an explosion doesn't hurt at all it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't damage the flesh or anything. If anything cauterize it you know what i mean asked but but it had that same like the like that burst of life is such a. It's almost like a cheat in filmmaking book. You know what. I mean like like up. We're going to get really low. The energy really low just to shoot you right back up. You know what i mean but when it works it you know it. It's golden and that's why people do it. And if i remember correctly in godzilla king of the monsters which was not very good. I think they kind of did a similar thing with godzilla where they had to do some kind of nuclear blast or something to get him going or like mothra. Did something like something like shit about that. One terrible movie. Yeah that was really like frustratingly bad because the first one was just so dull like that was my problem with the first one. I was like who's stupid ideas. We'll get into that later. But but the second one i it seemed like there. We go like now. we're talking more monsters more. you know. Ice cube son. That's that that'd be the fun one and just another kind of like it was like muddy and dark and handled and all these people who keep trying to like. You know redesigned the wheel. It's like nah dude. Like to in congress or god delivers kong proves that the wheel roles. You know what. I mean like right right. You don't need to change up how you do action scenes. You don't need to like you know there's a reason why has been around longer than any of us. Yeah yeah well and this is a movie that i think lives by the idea of. Give the people what they want which a lot of the times. It seems like it seems like these filmmakers are just like adamantly against that idea and just do not want to give it to us when all we want her to see these monsters fight and we got it. Version is overrated especially in an era where people are illiterate. I won't turn. I won't do that on this one. I promise. You know monkeys lizards. I would go onto another piece here. And i'm going to go to because you were just talking about how murky and muddy that that that last godzilla was so i i'm gonna i'm gonna talk about. I'm going to combine two pieces here. Go with tron and speed racer and just talking about two movies that are just so over the top visual i candy stylized to the freaking hundred degree which is neon colors bursting literally neon colors like bursting through the seams of objects like kong's ax you get glowing neon like cutting through the slits of i mean just colors everywhere this banging huge electron infused score. It's big in lake classic hollywood movies with electronic One thing my mom complained about what the movie was. That every scene seemed like a big giant crescendo. As far as the score is concerned. And i'm like yes. That's what we need it's godzilla and kong fighting like go big. Go as big as you. Can you know and so those are just two movies that And to me personally speed racer's the better of the two but two movies that just go big and keep going bigger as it continues and gorgeous huge with with the style ization in the color and just everything that goes into making it. Just a big huge fun time. I agree wholeheartedly in any opportunity to talk about speed. Racer and tron. I assume you ment tron legacy. Yes yeah i mean. That's i mean both ron's you could as far as i'm concerned those to my favorite movies Speed racer is great speed. Racer is I saw that like the week after iron man came out or something like that and I remember ironman seeing the trailer and thinking it was going to be like the coolest movie ever and watching the movie and being like that was cute and then speed racer. I watch a trailer and i went. Oh that looks fun. You know and then i watched speed racer and that is the best movie. I've ever seen less incredible but see they. They got something right that the people who made this movie got right to which is a big criticism that people have about modern action. Movies is they're so cgi heavy right like it's so cgi heavy. And i mean what are you gonna. Do you know what i mean. Like like you're between a rock and a hard place when you're a filmmaker making kong and godzilla. So i think the solution much like they did with speed racers. You're not making It's basically reverse roger rabbit where it's you're making a cartoon with real people in it you know what i mean like what speed racer got right. And that's what this movie got right that this movie is a cartoon that has you know the girl from stranger things running around in it and that works that works wonders. It's i can't stand things like avatar. Where like it's all. Cgi world cgi characters ball blonde. One he do he shot it like a normal movie right and it's like no dude like your camera can do anything. Your camera can be anywhere. You're you know what. I mean like your actors can express to the integrated you know utilize that And this movie especially more than the last two especially really did that. So yeah and and you know. There's the the scorsese thing about these movies becoming theme park rides and you know certainly can be a bad thing. But if you're gonna do it like go all in and just actually have fun with it and you know don't hold back whatsoever and there are some shots and his adam winger i. I don't really know him. I i haven't seen i don't think any of his other films actually extradite. Yeah did your next. He did that. Blair witch reboot which. I didn't see either of those But he does some really inventive things with with with the fight scenes and with the again. It's just it's just. Cgi just a cgi monster fighting cgi answer and a probably all cgi city environment and yet he knows to take that opportunity and run with it as far as what you could do with the camera right and you can tell that. He's more interested in making the movie good than making him. Look good like the movie is not It's not singular in. Its look if you will. It's very just well-crafted. I mean and and i. I really appreciated that. I saw your next after. All the hype. 'cause i don't normally watch movies like that. I was working hard glide at the time and other than tie west taking an arrow to the face. I really felt the movie was a complete wash so i didn't see came out with a couple of years later with Was the guest that gives them. I was like oh the your next guy. No thanks you know known who. Maybe i'll go back and watch the guests because this guy seems to be He does the same thing. That tarantino does. I feel where he's where you know you talk about this movie where you give the audience what they want but the filmmaker also comes from a place of am the audience. Roy do i want absolutely and That that makes a thrilling picture. You know you mentioned a theme park rides and that's actually my next puzzle. Piece is the is the king kong ride now university studios. There's like three moments in the film specifically that are straight out of the king kong ride. I don't know if you've ever been on it. It's been a while. I definitely have been. But it's been like probably ten fifteen years like especially him like taking the little shuttle looking in like that shot where he's looking into windows like that's like the big moment in the conrad's where he's like you're going back and forth on his eyeballs. I remember actually. It was about ten years ago. And i remember we went on it and my wife jean. My girlfriend at the time and she took a picture of me just pure joy in my face. I didn't know she was taking a picture as congress looking screen kept that that you're too. Yeah yeah that was when we went to universal for the first time. I'm from florida so we were only two hours away. And but we didn't go to universal until i was like thirteen for some reason and Probably you know money But but that was the ride that i was like we have to hit this ride. We have an indian kong and it was the first one we did and there was no line and i have never been happier for forty five seconds in my life however long that right is it. Sure terrific. I wonder if they'll do a new ride now. Kind of like how they have the spiderman righty and or the transformers. Ride where it's like. Cgi interactive ride. I wonder if they'll do that now for this one i mean why not. Yeah i mean i would. I would think that would be a lot of fun odd syllables. Yeah little shuttle. You know the space. That's where the movie really took off for me. Because the first time. I watched it. I was like do i like this. I mean it's it's okay titter hit or miss and then as soon as they were in suits. I was like now. We're talking. yeah here we go. You said to and you didn't even talk about how this ships have the little light cycle trail right. But i mean look that's just the use of color and the use of just over the top style ization. Yeah absolutely What was that place called. Hollow earth hollow earth yes places so dope that's like i mean like to grounds Son coming from somewhere somewhere. Who knows but it's there somewhere like it man. What's your next. So i am going to move on to south park the the tv show so there's always every episode of south park at least for the last decade or so maybe not in the very beginning but has always had an ace story and a be story where each one is. First of all very inspired by things that have come before in film And like classic stories of adventure and things like that but also things that are very in the moment and they both are more ridiculous than one another. They're like constantly trying to out ridiculous each other and they eventually kind of combine and go to the overall plot and and create the overall story that we're watching and this movie absolutely does that. We've get the the main character so to speak that. Are you know pitting godzilla and kong against each other kind of and you've got this. Be story with this podcast bobby brown who are to discover what secrets or whatever at monarch or whatever. The new company apex apex of course but these two completely different and completely. We've seen them in giant blockbuster movies before stories. And they both converge in the same way that every episode of south park seems to right right south park they about their. I've heard them talk about their writing. style before. I'm trying to remember exactly how they phrased it 'cause they're geniuses but they said that they're seen structure is always like you go from one scene and the next scene is is supposed to be a so So then or near four right you know what i mean like everything folds into each other in some way and info and like you said a lot of adventure stories. Every episode of star trek the next generation is an ab storyline. But very often. they don't converge internet. I mean like This movie brilliantly. They do converge but no characters ever meet like that. That's a really that's a. That's a really interesting way to go about it. You know what i mean. And that is. There's a louis kyle chandler who doesn't meet anybody right because he's both in godzilla and king kong. Yeah i remember that king kong. Peter jackson is actually where i finally learned. Kyle chandler's name. 'cause i've seen him pop up in places in the that he was the best thing in it. So wherever yeah. Did you like that one. The jackson i love the peter jackson king kong. I do but it also. It's such a just straight remake. Just bloated version of a remake of the nineteen thirty three. It doesn't even count as a you know a different separate thing. And so when you say that god delivers kong is the best king kong since the original. I feel like his remake is kind of blended in with the original for me mostly. I felt like his roommate. Just got it all wrong like it didn't understand the movie because the tragedy of kong is that she's terrified of him till the end and all he wants to do is connect with her. And you know what i mean like. That's the tragedy king kong. It's not that she loved kong and like that. That's that's you peter. You love kong. 'cause you understand. She doesn't understand kong like that's not and that could be interesting if it wasn't so Juvenile in. I don't know i. I was seventeen when that came out. And i was so sought three times opening day. And because i wanted to love it you don't. I mean i wanted so badly and it just like i. I had to admit these things to myself. Because when when jack black dot kassy's like that's perfect as carl dinner and then i'll watch a movie. I was like. Oh he's not good like and he's a good actor. Why is he not good in this. Why is he you know. Kyle chandler was the only person who made sense in that movie to be. How does he ended up in all these movies. Really good well yes. He's really good. He's even good wall street. Which that's a feat in it of itself. I just feel like the peter jackson's king kong is kind of an update of the same thing in every sense of the word. Update like it's just it's just you know just doing everything in a new and bigger way but i. I don't know what we can. Maybe have a longer discussion of peter. Jackson king congress. Because i love. I love that movie. Yeah the canary in the coal. Mine for me. When that was coming out was at naomi. watts was going to be and erin. I was like That doesn't sound right and watch the millionaire's son of a bee sting. What do you got next. So the next one i have is a movie that i really despised but like one. Best picture Which is the shape of water. Okay in the shape of water. You had the She she was she was also deaf right and she communicate with the fish monster. You know with sign language and stuff like and that's what they're bond was built on. I suppose and this movie you know the little girl. Rebecca halls adopted a island daughter being the only one who understands kong's inability to know what i mean to communicate who he is Was really beautiful much better. Yeah i'm going here. Then in the shape of water. When i found to be like shockingly offensive because like everyone's like yes. It's a metaphor for for You know black americans and homosexuality and minorities and right and in two thousand and what was it. seventeen were still comparing minorities. Two fish monsters that we want to have sex when like like that so grossly offensive but king kong by the innocence of a child. Being able to understand the innocence of of this of this of kong like and that being their connection and there being no betrayal. You know what i mean. That was beautiful the much better. I wonder what guillermo del toro thinks of this movie. Because he likes his kyw jews. He loves his monsters. You know obviously i. I don't know if you have it on your list but pacific rim you know actively avoid that one. Yeah i could. That could go on a list. I i'm not that big a fan of pacific rim. I'm not a big fan of many things. Surprisingly considering that. I love the idea of watching monsters unscreened. I just don't think these movies generally tend to do it very well but definitely there's a lot of parallels with pacific rim but yet shape water. I think good puzzle piece to bring in here. The pacific rim. That's another one where i watch. Then i was like this is not this is horribly written. The acting is terrible in it and it just is nonsense and i said to who. I went to amoeba the next day. The record shop. And i was telling me that i just saw it and i was like usually give them a little tourist such a good filmmaker and the guy said to me he goes really name. Another good gilmore. Toro movie and i was like. Oh that's interesting. I guess just pan's labyrinth like the rest are just kind of like you know. They're they're kinda schlock which is not a criticism but it kinda hit me. I was like yeah. You know what that's true like. I'm sitting here trying to like defend a movie. 'cause it's made by the guy did blade to that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah i suppose that. I suppose that's an interesting point of view there. I don't know. I like your modell. Torah pacific rim. No just yeah. I will sit here and defend godzilla vs kong to my dying day like when people call it dumb or whatever. It's like a stupid movie. But it's got monster's fighting and i'll you know try to defend it by saying you know but it gives us what we want. It's fun who cares if it's dumb. It's a giant monster movie with kong and godzilla fighting technically. That de description should help a movie like pacific rim. But it just doesn't because it's not fun at all right well when we in pacific rim when they i barely remember it because it was so terrible but i remember there like fighting this monster for a really long time and then out of nowhere they just pull a sword out none of mike well that would have been useful. Twenty five minutes ago like like. Why aren't you using your sword to fight this thing. You know and the pacific rim. The problem with that movie is didn't take the time to think things through right so like you know like yes now. They have sword. You can tell that like they're like oh and then he pulls out a sword is the writing the script. But now you've got kong. God delivers keep calling in congress. Godzilla you could see where my loyalty lies. But god delivers cong- that acts right like that acts. It comes somewhere if you will and not only does come from somewhere but it has a history to it and it has a that they that they sum up eight seconds. You know what i mean. That it's a piece from one of the godzillas defeated blah blah. The that's why three charge buys energy and it's yeah that's what you do you get into it. You know what i mean. You excited about it and then utilize it like. And so it's thrilling you know. And there's another shot in this movie that straight out of pacific rim but better. It's the shot where it's in like one godzilla. Connor fighting in its inside Like an office with the chairs. The conference conference from the chairs are gathering around until while calling his slamming and then they find the same thing. Remind me of that shot in pacific rim. Where is the monster like punches. All the way through a building and the cameras like the fist and then it stops right before one of those. What is it called with the balls. It's on a desk. Three like throw one hits the other. Oh yeah the whatever the energy yet ever ball it like goes all the way and then barely taps that a little bit and it goes back and forth in. It's like yeah that's kind of a cute joke but not because it's nonsense like that. That would that thing would fall over already and like the energy and i only criticized for that because i remember they were like oh he. It's so authentic like you could see dust for buildings as the machines walked past them. And i'm like yeah. Well the fucking ball machine would fall noord over to him just watching a movie. But i'm like god delivers kong right on iraq's well i'll go to another piece here i'm gonna go with ant man and the wasp so this is to me personally. One of my favorite of the whole marvel cinematic universe movies. And i love it because it's just a light silly fun blockbuster. Movie with just just the right amount of silliness and ridiculousness and also great action. It's super over the top so super fun also has a lot of like the same kind of trippy. Space travel although it's going into this multi-diverse tiny you know infinitesimal small. You know whatever thing and that turns out to be trippy travel mechanics involved and here. We're going into the hollow earth which also happens to need trippy travel mechanics because of the inversion of gravity as you go through that or whatever it is but regardless just pure fun and some people don't want to accept that a movie can just be pure fun and that's what both of these movies army right. Well i mean when you try to fake pay those. That's the most uninteresting thing. You could do a movie to me. You know what. I mean when you when you try to manufacture pay though in. Its sincerity is key. Authenticity is key. And godzilla vs kong said godzilla elvers cock you. That was their attitude. What can't we do you know and And that's the kind of thing that i'm one hundred percent On board for Ant man and the wasp in the end now. I wanted to say that. I liked that one but i didn't but i found it less offensive than i found that i find offensive in the in the filmmaker sense. You know what i mean. Sure did i do something like infinity war or civil war you know like because they are just fun little heist adventure movies you know and either. That's your bag it's not. Your bag is not my bag. You know right. I felt the same way about the spider-man's the marvel spider-man's or it's like finally here are marvel movies specifically designed for kids. You know what i mean. Like for like the eight to twelve year olds like and that's pure what they are and that's why they're kind of my favorite of the phase. Whatever four marvel movies like the keep count. Who cares anymore. I see all this stuff for like wanda vision and falcon. And i'm like isn't it over when we got enough. Didn't we see this through already. You know and anytime about martin. Scorsese saying the thing about you know. Marvel movies aren't cinnamon. That started that whole. You know whatever. I i'm seeing. You're wearing a marvel. Amar scorsese marvel shirt. Sure am brilliant but see again. That's why king kong works. It literally is a theme park ride like we were saying earlier. It has the moments from the theme park ride in it. And and i think that that's you know were score. Says he was misunderstood that line. He wasn't complaining that these movies are getting made. He's complaining that these are the only movies getting made right the or at least they only movies that get any of the air in the room rice. They are made. So what do you got for your next piece. My next piece is actually the last one that i have okay. And it's a bit of a cheap piece because it's an opportunity to talk about the greatest film franchise of all time as the fast furious. Of course i will i. This piece is not just For this kong godzilla movie alone but for the whole godzilla kong series. That's been happening here. Where what the fast and furious has done for. Movies has been kind of the only like i. It like great gatsby ritz. The the green light at the end of the dock. You know the is they understood in this era where like christopher nolan in the born movies brought us down to this. Greedy realistic blah blah blah world like they. They were the only movies out there that were like well. No like being gritty and dark and realistic doesn't make a movie authentic or interesting or better like what makes a movie. Good is the sincerity at which you approach it. You know what. I mean if you the filmmaker or you the actor believe what's happening then it will work like truly like like you know and vin diesel. It's proved vin diesel and justin lin. Really like they say okay so like in this part the tank you know is coming and she has to jump off of visa's gonna launch off of his car safer. She's you know flying over the overpass in. They're gonna slam into another car. That's how they're going to save her. Okay that's what we're doing today. And they believe it. And and i think vin diesel is the actual key to it because i mean even what was that movie bloodshot. Yeah it was so good that it was so good because vin diesel was like so. He's like a soldier and he like can die. Okay let's do it do it. And the fast and furious movies have gotten more and more absurd as they've gone on. You know what. I mean like it. Yeah they were never super realistic. You know even the first one is very much he's mojo you know whatever but as they've gone on they said they were like when it got to the second one like we can jump off of a pier and land on a yacht and you think that's cool. Okay you know. They just kept pushing what we would allow them to do. And by the time we got eight which just rewatch the whole franchise because f nine is coming out and will hopefully be the greatest movie fate of the furious. I've like watching us. That's my favorite one. And it's my favorite one because it is so beautifully absurd talking about godzilla or kong getting brought back to life at the spaceship. And i was watching that in the theater and going i buy. Yep that's right. Fuck you know. A journal shot to the heart and soul needs. Yeah i was thinking that. In fate of the furious where at the end spoilers where dot com has the heat seeking missile yet seeking missile coming toward him and he's driving on the ice and he has to take out the submarine and what he ends up doing. Is he like flies off of this breaking piece of ice and hits the submarine coming up. Just in the right way is back. Tire hits it and spins around the the front of the submarine said the missile ends up hitting the submarine instead of him and it explodes and his cars flipping and it's on fire and he jumps out of it as it's flipping on the ice on fire. It's like okay. We've seen this before in a fast furious movie. It's great but then this gigantic fireball comes up and it's coming towards him and visit for dom but then suddenly all the other cars come out of nowhere and like surround him in some like cocoon of some kind that protects him from a fireball of shore. And i was sitting there watching it and immediately i was like i buy it like i buy it. They save dim. That's all i care about it in this moment. Is that the themes of the movie. Have come together to save the hero from literally from l. you and And that's that's the language that's missing in in summer blockbusters and that's where movies like the marvel movies of religious shit the bed in my opinion where it's like they take themselves. I don't want to say too seriously. Because people seem to misunderstand what i mean because they are silly cartoon whatever but like they they think too highly of themselves they overreach. You know these are movies. Four children you know. No matter how. Cool captain america is. He will always be something that was meant for a ten year old. Yeah and and there's nothing wrong with that. We don't have to justify it as adults. We don't have it doesn't have to be real or gritty or whatever for it to be meaningful we can still enjoy it. Yeah and hopefully. That's the lesson taken from godzilla vs kong is at like we. We don't have to be afraid to just enjoy something we don't have to justify enjoying something you know and What was the name of this. Filmmaker atom winger. Yeah what he showed in this to me. Is what a true filmmakers supposed to do. Which is a true filmmaker is supposed to know more than the audience right and to deliver what he knows in a palatable way and not get in the way of that i would say to add onto that also to care right like to actually care about what they're making so much because there and i guess as much as i love peter jackson's king kong. I could see how someone might say that that can lead to overblown and whatever you whatever you want to level at it the carrying too much. But still you gotta you gotta carry. Can't just be like oh we're making this movie. So here's here we're gonna do. Abc in d like. It's gotta actually come from a place of wanting to see these characters and these these scenarios play right and wanting and caring more about them than you do yourself though so like like that I think it's tarantino Said it where he said if you truly love cinema to your core you can't make a bad movie and what he means by that. Is that like if you care more about the movie or movies more than you do about what you like or what you want to say or you know if you care more about it than than that. Then you're movie will be good. You know like filmmakers especially today are so we see like these two polar extremes. We see really indulgent movies or we see really just cookie cutter manufactured movies. You know what i mean. And we got so sick and tired of the manufactured movies that we be that filmmakers became indulgent. But you don't balance a scale by tipping it in order. I mean if you censor yourself you find your center you find the perfect balance and And i think that godzilla vs cong- is that perfect balance. It's like yes. We could nitpick the fact that this podcasters admitting over his podcasts that he's a sleeper cell inside of this facility and yes we could nitpick there is no sun in the center of the earth and stuff like that. You know what i mean. Millie bobby brown listened to a podcast while staring at her screen at the art of the podcasts launched. That bugged the hell out of me. Do you when you listen to piecing it together. Do you look at my puzzle pieces the whole time. Yes is because i'm driving and Yeah while driving to have my you know like the little holder for my phone for gps. I put that up there. And i just i actually just put your profile picture and i think what a guy while driving but but again what you. It's almost like a great romantic comedy where it's not like you're not trying to make the audience guests will they or won't they get together. You want the audience to insist that they get together. Lend for the audience. They have to get together and in this movie. You know. you're not you're not to you make it realistic or make it even make sense. You're trying to you. Want the audience to want these people to succeed to want these people to go on this adventure to you. Know what i mean so yeah like. That's the goal and and they pulled that off flawlessly. Well absolutely vase lamb. I maybe there's a couple little things like well. You know a little harder but overall like i can't even imagine making movie on the scale though that's another thing that just does not get enough appreciation. That like dude if you can if you can make a movie this big and make it like work like i think that every time i watched The blues brothers when like at the end where they're going into the building and all the swat and all the marines and all the army and all that you know are coming in all one thousand extras and hobson. They're thinking is like that's a lot of costumes like like i just got done making my fourteenth movie. And like i did the costumes on it for like ten people for the whole movie and i was just thinking. I don't know how i'm gonna keep this together. But in i see that one. I see something like godzilla verse kong and i'm just like they had to make all those jumpsuits. That's a lot of mental real estate. You know and and i have such a respect for people who can make movies like this. It's a whole fuck another game like dealing dealing with all this stuff. It's easy and we talked about. You know we've devalued it. You know what. I mean the we we we expect. We're entitled to give us our next marvel movie. It's been a year since marvel man. He's take time. It's a lot of work seriously. Well i will go with another piece now. Is your last piece right. Yeah okay. So like i said before. We started recording. I have like a whole bunch of little ones. But i'm just gonna i'm just gonna close out with two more just to wrap it up. I think these are the ones that i want to finish up on. I could have gone with the number of Crossover event type films of characters matching up with one another. The one i think is the most important to bring up versus jason. Because i mean these to tighten that people have wanted to see fight forever. And of course we got king kong vs godzilla back in the sixties but this is so so much better and Such was silly. this is a movie. This is a movie that. I'll watch many times over the rest of my life but as far as going to the story though you've got humans having to set these two unstoppable forces at each other so that way it's really the only way they're going to get out of this situation where one of them is going to kill everybody basically if they don't get another one who technically could kill everybody to to kill that one and so they just kinda a set them at each other and get out of the way and so. I thought that as far as all of the verses movies. This is the one that i think fits the best. I agree and i actually saw that movie. My film teacher took me to go. See that movie. And i had never seen any of the Freddie or jason movies they just never interested me so that was my first one and that made me that. I liked that movie. So much. That i i ended up going in watching the actual franchises and i ended up loving every nightmare on elm street. Movie thought they were brilliant. All of them the f- jason ones were little. But kind of like kong vs godzilla. Freddie is a character. Jason is a presence. Now you know what. I mean and sellers salaciously. There's not a whole lot you can do with just a presence much like godzilla. In my opinion you know godzilla. Blizzard wants to be left alone. The king kong and freddie our personalities. There's something to latch onto their combat. In i mean Think that this movie liked. That movie is just pure like either you get it or you. Don't yeah that's absolutely right. Yeah and i talk about all these things about overreaching us because you talked about the other verses movies like batman versus superman i think is a masterpiece because because it does that very thing that i was talking about like creating pathos out of these comical characters for children but it actually pulls it off which is what would some flaws like any movie. But like which is. Why i i i. I'm such a big fan of that movie because it's like they did the impossible in my as far as i'm concerned with bachelor superman you know speaking of batman versus superman. I wasn't going to bring it up. Because i feel like every movie. Podcast that talked about this movie brought this up but is there any way for a movie like this to exist where the two people who are in the title. The verses aren't going to team up at the end to fight a bigger foe. Like i mean that is pretty versus. Jason yeah i only one. Italy is yeah. It'd be like. I mean you're already starting out in a bad place. You know what i mean. You're starting out in like oh. Everybody likes both of these characters. Yeah you can't kill one. Yeah but if not in the original god's delivers kong. I mean depending on where you were either king kong swims away or godzilla swims away at the end. I mean for those of you haven't seen it. That is how it ended. Literally the american version ends with they both razzle and fall into the water and it's like who survived and then it cuts to like king kong just like swimming home and like news anchors like we wished the monkey well on his way. Home safe travel. You know yeah. I mean like from from the get. Go one of my kind of like going into this. Movie was that of course. They're going to team up at the end and fight something else. You know what i mean. Yeah because like this whole franchise though is just been such a. You know people talk. About the star wars reboot being shit. Show like this is like the franchises. The big shicho blanca. That first godzilla. The what's his name. Edwards gareth edwards. Just just the worst idea for a movie. A one radio's boring movies. I've seen in a long time. Yeah we'll a realistic take on zilla. How dumb do you have to be like. Because like the joy of godzilla is watching him. Destroy buildings but if you see people getting hurt and people like no like that's not fun and if that was their angle then good luck to them. You know it was my attitude. But when i saw it yeah you tried to have your fucking cake and eat it to your family. We'll do backflips trying to defend that movie. And i just. I don't get it. We'll get it on see but that's the thing that's see. That's the secret to life. Is that people spend most of their lives pretending but the problem is if they don't know that they're pretending i'm seriously that's the crippling problem with this country at least but but yeah that was just like such terrible like such such a such a flop such a horrid idea realistic take on godzilla and then they did. The next one was the kong skull island. And what i liked about that movie so much. Was that the director said. What are you talking about it. It's this is. This is silly movie and that movie is really not good. Because it's like it's just kind of well first of all it's poorly cast other than sammy roy. And it's really like it but the story is such an interesting idea shea. Wiggham is fun in it. Oh he's a now. Yeah i love him. Yeah i forgot his. He's fun in it but But yeah i it's it's a very mixed bag right. I mean the opening shot of that is the best shot. In the whole franchise of the guy falls out of the sun. Brilliant brilliant but but that one got it right you know. And then they tried yet again with godzilla to have their cake and eat it too. Which is like oh. They liked that. We went a little bigger with king kong. But we're a gritty realistic godzilla. And they made that noon. Horrible king of monsters movie like only godzilla fans liked. And i think only god's elephants because at least the rumour monsters this time and like finally hitting that sweet spot with such a nice thing to see for this franchise because a lot of money goes into these movies like you know and a lot of easy and if they are like score says he fears. These are the kinds of movies that are going to be the only thing in theaters ever now. You know what. I mean like at least do your best to make them like honest and true. You know again and this is a step in the right direction. I really hope that f nine follows it in that right direction. 'cause mortal kombat really For those of you haven't seen it. Mortal combat is like a step backwards in a way. It's almost like primitive at this point. People look at this new mortal kombat and be like. Oh yeah that definitely came out in two thousand and twenty one. Where like it once did have faith. But it's like dude guy deceives his hat to cut that demon half like this is a silly movie. Yeah i i am glad to see the pendulum swinging back the other direction and eventually it'll swing way too far in the other direction. Of course you know and and we'll be back to being like come on take it seriously again. James bond has to be real. You know speaking of silly movies. I'm going to close it out with one last puzzle piece that i had to bring into the conversation. And that is the dwayne the rock johnson vehicle. Rampage the video game adaptation. Which i love. I know people think is just too stupid to defend but i love that movie so much and that movie proved that you can have fun with giant monsters fighting each other. You can just set these giant. Cgi monstrosities at each other. Have them attack not be super serious like we talked about pacific rim earlier in the conversation. not not. Be you know rubber suit. Monsters like the seventies on back type things. Just go big go huge and have monsters destroying stuff in broad daylight and just make it. Make it for the people who want to see that people like me. Yeah i dude. I i don't i. We've never talked about this before but I like rampage. I saw in the theater so much fun. Yeah yeah mean. Jeffrey dean morgan. You know i could watch him. Read a phone book. He's so great. You know and i think that he kind of saves it from the rock. The rock and i are on our on bad terms right now because he's just well your team then obviously like to team van is means you. Just you've seen the movies but Well the rock you know. His ego is just in the way you know. He can't play the rock anymore in and that's that was starting to be the problem with fast and furious movies. Is that like hobbes. So bad ass in the first one like he's hard nosed like he's scary. By the time we get to like seven and eight. He's like soccer practice. Taytay concerts okay. You were doing jumanji at the same time. Got it Rampage yeah rampage. Will i but see. I will say this. I think rampage was like not. It was the right idea but not not super well executed liking meaning. That like like. I so again. I really like it but it was like you could tell somebody wanted movies to be like this again. If you will like was the feeling like i want movie. I wanna take movies back to this kind of movie making not the stupid realistic godzillas bullshit. And it obviously didn't have the source material. It didn't have like the the filmmaking behind it was you know. But but i was happy to see a movie like that. Yeah also had to get out from under the fact that it's a video game and always that's always a little bit of an uphill battle not for me but you know i. I'm a sucker for video game movies. Man super mario brothers is one of the reasons why filmmaker like you know i. I love those and and the people who talk shit about this new kong like you were saying. The people are like good so stupid. So ridiculous blah blah. Those david are the people who haven't seen it first of all but are also the kind of people that still think that they're smart because they tell people wrestling is fake. You know what i mean. It's like no wrestling fan. Thinks wrestling is real yet. They get something that you don't and you're jealous that you know it's right and that's how that's how i feel about this kong especially like of course there's things you can nitpick but if you pick this movie you're an asshole because the the because it did what it what it set out to do. You know what i mean. And and and and you cannot say that about any of the other movies in this franchise so absolutely well go ahead and do the finished puzzle here. And then we'll get into some closing thoughts we talked about. Of course this movie paid homage to lethal weapon to die hard and pulp fiction. Then we went onto tron legacy speed racer. The king kong universal ride south park the shape of water pacific rim ant man and the wasp the fast and furious series freddie versus jason and rampage. Joe you got any closing thoughts. Anything we didn't quite get to at this. No i mean but that list sounds like just a great weekend of watching movies like goes eight. What what a. i think. That's the first time that like saved for the shape of water. I'm like that's a list of movies that like now. I want to go watch all of those movies. You know. yeah that's that's that's funny. That's never happened. At least between you. And i before on a list like this seriously. The only other thing i would i would mention you brought up when we're talking about rampage. Jeffrey dean. morgan. I think damian bashir doing the simpler just chewing the freaking scenery the whole time just having such a blast knows exactly what movies making. Also it's the same for alexander. Skarsgard who i think is just having so much fun with this role. So the two of them. Just shout out to them for just getting it. You know i agree. And but and scars garden You know senior bob from hateful. There these are good actors. You know what i mean. These are good actors who showed up to play. These aren't people who need work. These aren't people who are trying to like make a name for themselves. These are people who said. I wanna be a part of this. You know much. Like samuel jackson in kong skull island laya like these are these and that to me is a real actor. That's the difference between like somebody like that. And somebody like leonardo di caprio where it's like no like here to cert- like i'm here because i love film right you know. And and that shows an again good on rebecca hall because she could have shown up in like not giving a shit and i still thought she was brilliant in the movie. 'cause i've only human right but but but again she even understood that. Like how wonderful to be a part of that. That thing com. Yeah and godzilla europe part of that now forever know what i mean and and she has some incredible lines man and so many. Just fun you know. There can't be too pecs predators or whatever like so many com alison. No one i mean. Yeah yeah but that character. Though i got to give it to the writing to though like i love that. She never betrays her. Like raven when skarsgard is like hell his family's down there right like she stood up says her daughter like his family might be down there. Yeah and that's true. You know what. I mean like like maybe she stays true to her to to who she is throughout the whole movie and that's a hero. That's somebody that i want to see. I don't give a shit. About aaron. Taylor johnson trying to get back to his wife because like he just got out of the military that's boring storytelling. It's like so. What did you pull that out of. But something like that. Like i wanna see rebecca hall succeed because she is doing her best to stay true. Yeah you know what i mean. Data fucking hero. That's and that's why dom like dude. The opening too fast eight when he tosses the keys to the guy after instead of taking his car like you learned to respect others right head fucked shirley seren later on the movies like you gave him his car back after he blah. You're getting week dom. Because nah i did that. Now he's changed forever and alka. Yeah amazing if i'm not the show for f nine. I'm never going to forgive you. We'll do it for sure for sure. Very quick story then and then. We'll wrap this thing. But when david bishop first appeared on screen my buddy will. I went to see this with. He leaned over and whispered to me. Is that colin farrell the idea of colin farrell and twenty twenty one doing a mexican accent and a big blockbuster made me laugh so hard. I that's pretty good. I should do one of those deepfake videos and put colin farrell's face over. That's pretty good that that is. That's that's really uh joe well. Is there any other movies that you saw recently like to recommend to our listeners. Yeah mean not that. I'd like to recommend to the listeners. But i will say that i loved this movie that i saw called. Doc starring stacy keach and faye dunaway. And i also loved another movie that i watched called the january man with kevin kline and of course when i told my friends who are film people that i love those movies air over like those are terrible but i will recommend jeffrey dean morgan. You just made think of it. He was in this brilliant. The for summerslam. He was in a brilliant horror. Comedy called Dead and breakfast. It's a zombie comedy from. Like two thousand and three thousand four where he plays the sheriff of a small town where a bed and breakfast. These tourist of course opened up a ancient chinese box of evil and zombies unleashed and David carradine is in it. A little bit and If you haven't seen that movie. I'm not really big into horror movies but like that movie is a wonderful or accommodation. Jeffrey dean morgan gives a star making performance in that movie. It's also really fat in that movie. He was like he was like a heavy said dude movie like and he he obviously shaped up afterward. You know what i mean but you also get to see zombies rap in that louis. Ooh now i'm i'm in. I gotta watch this. Yeah oh yeah. That title on dead and breakfast. Yeah that's great. what about you. have you seen anything. My movie watching has been really kind of weird lately. 'cause leading up to god delivers knowing that that was going to be my first movie back to the theater by the way since a anniversary screening of king kong the original nineteen thirty three march fifteenth of last year. So knowing that it was gonna be my first time back to the theater. I watched a whole bunch of king kong and godzilla related movies leading up to this and so that was most of my movie watching and most of them are not very good. Yeah no kidding. Well joe You want to plug what you got going on with your films right now. I mean i yeah. I'm just very excited about the new one My my wife is in it It's her first film and she is Like just she's such a fucking star like that's not coming from like the husband's side of me that comes from like i made the foolish mistake of writing a movie that like seventy five percent of it is one person on a telephone stuck in her. You know what i mean. And and we the whole crew like you know a five of us. We sat there looking at that monitor every day. Just like holy shit in a and some very excited that like to see one of my films come to life in a way that they never have before and it's all because of her so that is called natasha hall. And we're going to date. It'll be i'll be screening it all over the country the second half of the year when things reopened up. And hopefully it'll be the first one we kind of get out there in the big. You know hoopla beautiful. Well joe thank you so much for doing this and yes we will definitely be back for fast nine when that comes out. Oh if it comes out. I'm still skeptical. Thank you so much for. How are you obsessed with movie. You come on down to sunny. Tropical akron ohio to beings movies. The only video store in the world secretly ended up are courteous. Polite staff are joined by film critics and podcasters from around the world to review rank and eliminate all but those movies most worthy of preservation. For all time you'd be the end and most worthy of your time. Our staff also has perfectly curated shelves just to make your entertainment choices that much easier so come on down been movies available on all of your favorite podcast apps. We've got the hits all rights. I hope you enjoyed that. 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Storyboys Its all connected OR the unified theory of Florida GOP corruption
"The hey this is david from the all points west podcast network in this month. You need to check out. The latest from house on fire gaby rodriguez and her co host. Semi gaza interviewed nobel prize winning scientists michael man about decades of climate change. This information that's been fueled by special interest groups fossil fuel companies and politicians. It's an incredible interview and it's up now so go followed rate and review the show. Now listen there's a couple of podcasts out there called house on fire so don't accept any substitutes be sure you're listening to the first the original the true house on fire the one with the white background that's brought to you. By the cleo institute you can also find the right house on fire podcasts. On clios website at cleo institute dot orc only accept the best. Go find house on fire. By the cleo institute wherever you listen to podcasts q. And i'm jewish dave. This is bird. Rose is bergara so dave. Tell us what people should be doing. People should be. We get started before we jump into this big episode that we've been meaning to do for a long time. Yeah i feel like we've been this has been on the back burner for at least a week now but Yeah everybody before we get into it. remind you to Follow array in review bird road. Podcast dot com. Because i know coupons a lot of work into it also follow us on social media. Advert road podcasts. That's mainly just twitter. But you know and get in touch with us. Let us know what you think of this show You can email us bird road at all points. West dot net. Then bring your pets in if there. If you're hot there hot that's true. Yeah so Dave like i said at the beginning we got a whole thing. We want to get into its many splendor story. I'm gonna tell it to you on our classic fashion. And i'm going to hope that you Chime in where you can and and kind of. Just try to keep me honest. You know some would call this a story boys episode easy. I'm not there yet okay. It it has been remarked upon dave recently actually just saw this on twitter the other day Never in our country's history think about this Never in our country's history has one of the main to political parties had its power and its influence so centrally and and just thoroughly concentrated in one state as the modern republican party has found itself centralized here in florida right now and as we say this. I want to mention that like we are. It's it's monday night. We're awaiting the George floyd verdict. There's a new anti protest law. That just went into effect. That we're gonna talk about in a moment here in florida that is going to you know obviously You know attention as other. Gop states try to pass similar anti protest laws similar anti first amendment laws in. You know how it is these These kinds of You know how it is. When these kinds of cases sometimes have their verdicts in its burs. It's like it makes people freak the fuck out and get out in the streets and actually let themselves be heard here in florida. It's a little up for debate. Now with the passage of that law this morning. What that looks like. It could be something that we're not used to seeing something that looks a lot more like communist china as this sure but anyway more than texas more than like what else alabama mississippi north dakota. Today's gop is the party of my state. the sunshine state donald trump is. The party's leader. It's avatar the holy ghost and he has retreated as we all know from new york and taken up residence at his like tacky room temperature. Shrimp cocktail resort mar-a-lago a number of the nationally known household. Gop names are here to You got a former presidential hopeful. Multiple time presidential hopeful senator marco rubio. You've got rick. Scott who used to be the governor who's also the senator The junior senator now and then our governor rod santa's who's talked about very often when it comes to potential gop president's or presidential candidates in the future we also have a lot of gop rising stars. You've got the latinos for trump lady. Who happens to be my state senator. I'm eliana garcia. I'm writing to be your state senator. Because building about obama bankrupting her family in april. Two thousand eleven. We found out that due to obama's re modification program. We lost our cattle ranch. But who had actually gone broke because she spent a bunch of money on a luxury cruise and we have the elected. Republicans who right angry letters to their fifty thousand a year fifty thousand dollars a year catholic school complaining that a catholic school is becoming socialists. So along with these rabid right wingers. We'll have the moderate republicans you've got the the the congressional delegation from down here. Mario diaz balart maria of the Sahibzada carlos jimenez and others kind of just like them so we've got the republicans to lie about vaccines who pretend that. Kobe never existed. Who pretend that climate change doesn't exist. Who who sort of like acknowledged climate change exists. But say that. We don't need to do anything about it and we've charter school. Republicans we've got legalized murdering protesters. Republicans we've got Ideological purity test for college kids republicans we've got you know voter suppression republicans. We got We've got all of them. We've got it all if the gop was a mad scientist. Florida would be the laboratory. Where basically does all of its experiments. yeah. And i mentioned i. I mentioned this a lot even though there are more democrats registered in florida. Republicans win every important election. You've heard me talk about this. A million times with the state dep democratic party. That's in turmoil. Democrats have seated ground. But there's no place in our country which is already a ravenously right wing country. We're all gonna rosie's and pathologies of conservatism. Come together in this one. Big dysfunctional may ask like. It does here in florida. So why am i giving all this backstory. It isn't that often. That all of those tendrils of republicanism come together to form like one twisted fat route. That gives us a clear distinct portrayal of exactly what conservatism is. And what the gop stands for. But for anyone. Following florida politics and anyone who knows to look between the lines. We can draw pretty clear. Line connecting it With some stories that again. We've been kind of negligent in talking about And that's what we're gonna do. I just wanted to drop in here that like. We're gonna use the word. Pedophilia as a catch all for people trying to like do pedophilia. And people who are trying to fuck seventeen year olds like grown adult mentoring. Fuck seventeen year olds. And i know that technically there's this word of phev ilya that is about. I guess like trying to have sex with older kids like teenagers. Which i guess is supposed to be more permissible and like they don't wanna be mixed up with with pedophile up several files. I just wanted to say that like for anybody who actually can bring that up and can like can enunciate the difference between those two things they should at least be questioned they should at least be brought to a fucking police police station and talk to so i guess what i'm trying to say dave is were doing another story boys episode like i said we've been delinquent and covering some of these more colorful scandals that have been popping up lately but it did work in our favor We waited long enough and were delinquent along enough that a lot more information has come out and these connections that i'm talking about have become a lot more luminated over the last four weeks we've seen a collection of truly tragicomic scandals that have stretched from miami. Although the tip of the panhandle involve people. At the highest levels of government sham candidates usurped senate seats ex-girlfriend drama pedophile office. Fires crypto currency. But up until recent days. This collection of misfit political scandals had each kind of been like one off stories until last week democratic party. They deserve their own episode. Like this but we're not really going to focus on them in this episode. They have a bunch of scandals and failures and incompetent intentional failures. A lot of people would say mostly not going to talk about the democrats today. Mostly going to focus on the gop caveat. There are a lot of twists and turns details. I may have committed some things. I may have forgotten some things because a lot of stuff came out about all these stories so if you think we missed an important detail in this saga what can they do talking. They let us know. Just get in touch with us on twitter. At bird road podcast. You can also email us bird road at all points. West dot net. But i'd definitely let us know so dave. Are you ready to go down the rapid. I'm ready are. Let's do some story boys in your heart. Won the crypto. Peto as i said. We've got bad politicians here but it is pretty tough pound for pound to beat former. Seminal county tax collector. Joel greenberg as a top shelf of shit. Now i i assumed utah over this guy is but i just wanted to include a picture on our outline. Just get a look at the kind of guy words that very much that helps me like get the full idea here already. So just google joel greenberg and see the first picture that shows up which is funny because this is a campaign picture that he himself Greenberg a republican is a guy who is a florida guy and was always kind of a piece of shit growing up. He turned into grew into kind of fail. Son who hitched his wagon to the maga- movement back when it was and he was already a grown man by then like a lot of vocal trump supporters on the on the local or municipal level. He went from being this like blandly. Apolitical dude bro. Just posting on facebook to a pretty significant player pretty quickly early. on in the trump campaign he was elected tax Tax collector in two thousand sixteen beat out a political opponent who opponent who. He was eventually charged with stalking and that stalking charge was not his only misstep while he was in office. Here are a few headlines that i gathered from your landau sentinel that document. Greenberg's time has attacked collected. By the way. Dave i had to like go out of pocket to actually pay ninety. Nine cents for a sun sentinel subscription so support local journalism. I suppose yeah. I mean if you're not doing it who is right mostly nobody So here are the headlines seminole county tax collector accused of impersonating police officer. Seminal county tax collector. Joel greenberg gives three and a half million dollars in consulting contract contracts salaries to friends and associates. Tax collector indicted charged with stalking fed. Say joe greenberg. Falsely accused opponent of sexual misconduct greenberg regularly still id's authorities former tax collector. A thief until his last day in office pam bondi who was At the time the attorney general. Of of florida seminal tax collector. Joel greenberg and staff shouldn't open. Carry guns oh okay way. Tax collector be packing. But seminal tax collector. Joel greenberg accused of soliciting hacker to attack county computers weird because he works for the county. Joel greenberg asks for professional courtesy after ticketed for speeding. Joe greenberg's unusual real estate deal. Joel greenberg to resign for groups. Call on joel. Greenberg to resign for islam. Phobic facebook post seminal tax collector. She'll greenberg budgets. One hundred and six thousand dollars on travel much more than orange lake in osceola which are neighboring counties and actually in the case of orange and i think osceola both bigger significantly bigger than seminal Greenberg backs out of controversial deal to sell off branch offices. Greenberg resigns seminal tax collector greenberg pleads not guilty to trafficking accused of using state database to look up minors editorial good riddance to joel greenberg central florida's worst politician. So that was greenberg. Just sort of On the surface level right He he got himself in trouble as somebody who was completely unqualified and also like not really interested in doing the job. I don't think of tax collector really quickly he uses office. Sign these contracts. That benefited his friends and family. Millions of dollars from public coffers went into his own pocket. He paid thousands to this law. Firm that was owned by this guy named anthony sabatini. Who was anthony. Sabatini people in florida. Who anthony sabatini is he. Is the florida state representative the sitting. Florida state representative best known for wearing black face to multiple costume parties. And being exactly the kind of guy who you'd think would wear black faced multiple costume parties. Yeah that that that that'll work my favorite story of how about greenburg. Dave is that he decided that he was going to start mining bitcoin under the county's office and he started a he. He got like this. You hear about the chicago. Police having like offsite like black site jails that people don't know about where they take suspects in them up. This guy had a off site black site. Tax collectors office that he had computers. Set up running bitcoin. I guess and it caught on fire burnt down from all of the bitcoin mining. Because that shit is like super intense on service. Yeah which that'll be another conversation for another day. I don't get that shit at all the way that causes actual physical issues but bring it up. Bring that up to bitcoin. Person like the amount of energy you will get the longest screed like why the dollar bill in your hand actually took way more energy or resources or whatever so cream greenberg. Got it his office. Despite this history that we had sort of touched on in those in those headlines of being really bigoted really islamophobic nationalist on social media he was just one of those guys that you encounter like a troll on the internet He paid thousands of dollars to this. These people leslie key and robert hoogland They provided no work product for the county and they basically work for or own. A firm called maga- advisory group so he was just funneling cash to friends and family. And when a reporter got in touch with robert hoaglund over the phone he basically asked like what kind of work were you doing and hoogland said this is taken from a political article article. What kind of work were you doing. Consulting work hoogland said. Can you be more specific. Know who said you don't think the public has a right to know. Since you were paid with tax dollars a political and for market or political consulting end for marketing hulan reportedly replied so things finally came to a head when it came out that there were allegations about Him greenberg looking up girls underage girls using the state. Dmv database basically and like and hooking up with underage girls and trying to hook up with underage girls so he also appeared to be setting up dates with women in exchange for monetary compensation that Came from all manner of illicit resources. More we're going to get to that more in a minute With all this history greenberg is now facing dozens of charges. He he had to resign He is part of this ongoing federal case. That is getting lots of media attention and seems to have new deep details of depravity every day. he like i say resigned back in june As those charges started to mount and he's really fun for us to talk about on a show like this. He's a real character He's he's kind of really though. When you get down to it just like another small time crook like just a tempest teapot. Not a not a really big deal. What this story needs. Dave is some elevation it needs some prominence. We need a national hook to kind of take story to the next level. Yeah something that's gonna like really dig it in and give us something that connects with everything going on right now. So that brings us to part to meet matt gaetz As a non floridian what. What do you know if anything about matt gaetz. I don't know that much about him. But i've certainly seen the headlines though about You know some of some of the stuff that he's been caught doing just recently so my take on that gates is this. It's he's a perfect man for his time be. Is the perfect avatar for the modern day. Like fox news right. He's the perfect like hey asshole for liberal liberals to hate basically. He's the perfect emissary for the own. The lips crowd who don't even really care about republicans are the gop or any or more conservative. They just hate liberals. And that's a lotta people up He's sort of like an off. Dressed up as a congressman the congressman for florida's first congressional district He was designed in the lab. I think to hyper normalize. This moment mac. Aids comes from a political dynasty. His dad was done is don gates a four to state senator Former four to state. Senator and matt basically took over the congressional district where his dad had staked out. His time is a state. Senator from the florida panhandle. Just the worst part of the state by the way. It's pure garbage. You're going gonna go to the panhandle afforded. Just go to georgia for definitely. Let's fucking trash. Anyway he raised a map basically took over that congressional district at dawn raised that family including his son in their home in seaside florida. Which interestingly i thought you might find A bit of trivia was the house from the truman show so that was raised in the truman. Show house that. That's pretty bizarre. That he's got an animated face. Kinda jim carey ish a little bit. Yeah he looks like i. I've seen him compared to a lot of the characters in the black hole sun videos. You know that kinda distended weird faces gates spent most of his early years in college years. Just shit faced driving drunk partying like a rich kid partying like someone whose dad is a state senator and doing that thing where your room he like. We always talk about that thing. It was like an urban legend when we were growing up that like oh your roommate at college dies and you get all as that actually happened him. His killed himself apparently and he got all as as allow great movie by the way campus. Yes oh i thought that was the rock. So he is a lightning rod for trump ism and the attendant sort of controversy. That comes with it. He's one of these. He's like one of these little kids at doesn't know the difference between the good attention and the bad attention or doesn't care. He just wants attention and he does get a lot of attention His rise which coincided with the rise of trumpism also coincided with this burgeoning friendship with another local elected official in florida. Who shared a lot of interest. And you could probably tell where this is going if there's a good story that sort of gives you an idea of what gates. His family is in florida politics and it has to do with this old political ally that they had who was Who ended up becoming a rival of theirs named ray. Sansom who wants sat in the younger gates can congressional seats for the congressional district one. So i pulled this for politico. I thought it was kinda funny. Sansom said his relationship with don gates. The dad had already broken down before a scandal. That sort of had this guy sansom then. a congressperson congressman End up giving up on his His own career because he claims he was forced to fire matt gaetz. He told politico. He hired matt gaetz initially as his legislative aide but then switched him to a job with the republican party but after a period of three to four months he fired the younger gates because he failed to show up to work. He said matt gaetz told him that this was his time to not have to come to work so he could sow his wild oats. Which to me is just an awesome way to get fired from a job to say like. I'd i took this job. Because you know i was pretty sure. You said i didn't have to come in or that's a great great. So who is he really matt. Gaetz you know dave in the movies how there's that guy and you can just tell from the dialogue that they give him at the front of the movie like oh this is going to be the guy that fuck something up or like. He is to shore of himself and he. He's he's the cocky guy. He's the guy that's like the crew the crew or the gang is trying to pull off the job and they have a scam going or something. But the there's there's always like one character sometimes two characters you know they're just gonna fuck everything up. Yeah so. suddenly. Chris penn and reservoir dogs was perfect. Yes you chris. But we'll it wouldn't have been chris panel would have been michael madsen right. Yeah i guess. So michael madsen was the guy where you're like okay. Well he's a little imbalanced in fuck something up and he's going to. He's going to be the one to kill to kill the hostage to kill them. The customer don't trust him. So those guys are matt gaetz intial greenberg spirit animals. That's who these guys are. At some point they began this friendship where they also began using websites to quote unquote. Meet women These are the kind of websites. Are there sugar baby websites. The they connect people who go on dates in exchange for gifts find. You know you're very familiar with these. You've been doing this for years. Of course as my second hobby after podcast and your favorite thing to do is pay to spend time with. Yes absolutely this this. This friendship also served as a conduit for drugs lavish after parties where other. Gop elite would get fucked up hook up with women who were inappropriately. Young and in some cases allegedly illegal young. They were writing on jets. Doing double dates gates was sending greenberg cash via then mo for dinners with women that he would spend the night within the greenberg. The very next day would be sending that same exact amount to the woman or the women again. Also by then mo a large part of the story broke via vento so gates had this habit also that is very charming of being on the on the floor of the united states house of representatives and showing nude photos of women to fellow super cool dudes and rating them with system. Codes for the type of conquest. Applying points for different women and Crucially girls allegedly again just generally like really cool dudes rockin type shit. Sure this is. This is like the main thing that i had heard about this guy by the news. A classic dude who rocks. Yeah so as as part of his defense in the public domain because he's been sort of getting torn apart and drag for his involvement with greenberg his friendship with greenberg in a lot of the charges and allegations. That are coming out of it. He released a statement. Matt gaetz did from the female staffers of his office saying that they had never witnessed a hint of impropriety but the letter was not actually signed by single woman that works for him. It was just kind of blank He went on taco tucker. Carlson show with some very oddly specifically chosen legal language and i pulled up an excerpt from from cbs. Here where they were. They were writing about that appearance and It said in an interview with tucker carlson on march thirtieth gates referred to allegations that he had been photographed with child quote child prostitutes. He said the allegation was fake. The alec that allegation had not been made public before gates brought it up on tucker carlson so he just kind of went out there and said that and also he said that he had never been photographed with child prostitutes in the way that he approached. This interview was weird. Because he would say like i have not been near or within ten feet of that woman this year. You know it was all very you know carefully chosen words probably for legal ramifications gates asserted that the extortion Because what happened is that he he makes the claim matt gaetz does that he and his father were actually victims of extortion and he asserted he asserted that the alleged extortion began earlier that month with a text message to his father demanding money in exchange for making sex trafficking allegations quote unquote go away. According to the according to the gates's they received communications on march sixteenth claiming that the fbi had photographs of mac hd matt gaetz engaged in sexual or she with underage prostitutes. This ended demanded money to help. Secure the release of robert levinson. Who ended disappeared in iraqi two thousand seven and had already been presumed declared dead proposing that president. Joe biden would pardon gates as a reward for free levinson so gates said his attorneys contacted the fbi which he said informed them. That gates was merely a subject not a target of an investigation. I love that distinction. Like does that ever mean anything. I'm sure there's a million. People were a subject of an investigation that ended up going to jail. He claimed his father again. The older gates. Don gaetz agreed to wear a wire to record the alleged extortionists gates sent axios who I guess reported on this screenshots of text messages emails and documents outlining the alleged extortion scheme which he claimed was being run by david mcgee former federal prosecutor who had been a private attorney since two thousand five megan's law firm called gates's allegation completely totally false and defamatory telling the daily beast that gates was attempting to distract from the sex trafficking investigation which really kind of holds up. The more you read this it really does seem like all of that. Extortion shit is cover. It's like smokescreen. The none of it stands up at this moment somewhere in florida. Joel greenberg visit joel. Children bird is cooperating with federal with the federal investigators to try to alleviate this like huge sentencing over his head and him his lawyer. Greenberg's lawyer has said that in the process of his client. Cooperating matt gaetz should be very worried about what his client has to say. So i pulled this report from the new york times the orlando sentinel and others. Who have confirmed that gates has become a focus quote unquote for of that investigation. This is from the new york times. Mr greenberg began speaking with investigators. He realized the government had overwhelming evidence against him and that his only path leniency in cooperation. He's met several times with investigators. Try to try to establish his trustworthiness through the range of criminal charges against him including fraud though the range of criminal charges against him including fraud could undermine his credibility as a witness. So speculation about mr greenberg's cooperation began mounting last week. After his lawyer and federal prosecutor both set in court that he was likely to plead guilty in the coming weeks he has by the way remained outwardly claiming that he would be That he would be pleading not guilty and that he was innocent. The times goes on to say that gates still denies wrongdoing. He denies trafficking girls. Flying women to the bahama which is accused of and other places. He sort of lawyered up. He's doubling down on his mega credentials. He's positioning himself as a cancel. Culture victim a victim of anti conservative anti trump but deep state bias Which is predictable. Move probably the best move honestly so there has been some recent news that came out from old record set children. Bert traveled on with taxpayer. Money to meet with matt gaetz taking rental cars for miami upstate. So more connections are sort of coming out every day about these two There's this unnamed woman. She's a woman now at the center of the story who at the time was allegedly seventeen years old and she either had sex with gates was traffic to cross state. Lines by gates had sex with him after that or had sex with gates angry berg or was provided. This is all depending on like what story you read and wen Or was it could have been provided to gates by greenberg like they. He hooked up again. This really depends on. Who's reporting you. Trust on which day a lot of that stuff is murky But there is a lot of smoke suggesting that there is fire with regards to the charges of pedophilia. And i'm not gonna apologize for calling it. That i know she was seventeen. But it's pedophilia Against gates and greenberg. so dave. we're gonna see how things go for matt. Gaetz joe greenberg. This case is going to move forward Probably a lot more names are gonna out the whole assorted republican pedophile sex creep kabul that they're part of Right now there are thirty. Three pending charges against greenberg which is a pretty strong incentive for him to fuck over his buddy But for the next part of our story we're going to shift gears a little bit. Do you have any thoughts or any questions about these fun characters before we relieve him in our rear view mirror. I mean my only question is is for someone like gates like is there other than aligning himself as a maga- guy. Is there any reason for anyone on that side of the aisle to support him at this point to just let him. Just drop off the face of the earth at this point. Let me ask you let me answer your question with a question. Do you think of the people who the next time that matt gaetz runs. Because he's a congressman yester- on every two years if he's not in prison till definitely ron. I'm sure it might run if if he is in prison. Who knows but he'll still pretty easily win. Florida congressional district one which is again basically an extension of alabama. How many people who are aware of this stuff do you think in. Their minds are probably like in their minds. Think he's probably did all that shit. But i'm not voting for a fucking democrat versus how many people think like this is deep state lies bullshit. He's being canceled unfairly treated unfairly. Whatever like whoa how many people just don't give a shit and like maybe they just like him more because he did he he did all the fucked up shit and didn't get caught or whatever. Yeah i know absolutely and there's probably a whole third section of people who think it's great that he's living the good life doing all this fun stuff so fucking awful Org three not the chills but the shells. I want to ask another question. Have you ever considered running for public office. And if you did how would you do it. What would your platform be. How would you approach it. I'd rather die than that would be a campaign. slogan though david rosen for congress. I'd rather die. Would be funny if i was a maga- guy and that was my campaign but just because i'm a guy i get. I get the votes because they're not only the democrat. Because you've you've run for that district elko that only goes read every genders so that was a useless response but thank you here in florida. We do things a little differently. As i mentioned at the top despite being this fifty fifty state the definition of the swing state somehow magically the state legislature is always a republican supermajority. The governor is always a republican courts are always packed with conservatives and most statewide elected offices are basically always gop column with like very very few exceptions here and there. It's so weird it almost makes you wonder how it's like flipping a coin a hundred times and it comes up heads every single time that you fucking flip it which yeah i mean that makes sense for politics but continue were being kind of facetious about it. of course sarcastic but there has been some increase transparency into this mysterious electoral set of machinations. That happen behind closed doors usually or Don't see the light of day that often There's been more cases of electoral fraud. Virtually all in the in here in florida virtually all in the case of a on the side of republicans candidate fraud voting fraud media manipulation gerrymandering. It all plays some role in supporting the gop stranglehold on a state that they probably shouldn't have a stranglehold on based on the demographics in just the raw numbers of voters the problem for the gop. As i was thinking about this like trying to figure out what the chink in their armor is because they've got a heavy suit of armor on florida as it stands but they've been doing this for so long doing the electoral fraud. The candidate fraud voting fraud. You know manipulating media calling people socialists. Gerrymandered it's almost down to letting people vote leading. Republicans vote by email. Like who the fuck is ever done that but get to do it here in florida. They've been doing it for so long and they've gotten so comfortable. They've kicked their feet up on the couch. Letting the nut tang liang shit stains in the toilet. That they've gotten sloppy and they've gotten greedy and that greediness and that sloppiness became very present in the twenty twenty election season. I should mention that they only got this brazen. I said this by said at the beginning of the show. I kinda of want to keep the democrats for their own show. When it comes to this but the reason that they were able to the gop was able to get this brazen about things is because the democratic party is so feckless and wing Yeah so what am i talking about exhibits a b. nc of the gop getting too comfortable in how they boss florida and how some names How they are exhibits. Abc of the gop. Getting too comfortable in the way that they boss florida. These are going to be some names. That you definitely won't know. Dave i'm gonna i'm gonna tell him to you says are affonso. Alex rodriguez not the baseball player. Or any of the other famous outside reuses and justina naughty so these are three individuals. Dave who ran as no party affiliated candidates in the most recent state senate races here in florida they ran on no platforms. They made no statements. They did not do any campaigning They sent some mailers. Which we're gonna talk about it. But for the most part they didn't exist in choke to candidate forums. They didn't debate. They didn't make public appearances. They did nothing. They just put their names. They filed the however many hundred bucks it is to get the requisite signatures or whatever. They did the paperwork to run and then didn't run miserable. So i wanna focus on. Alex rodriguez for the purposes of our story. Because alex rodriguez even though he only got a few thousand votes he likely cost former state. Senator now former state senator. Jose javier rodriguez. Who was my state. Senator a democrat. Alex rodriguez likely cost him his seat. And it's not by accident that that happened rodriguez. He was my state senator. He lost by thirty three votes to a complete fucking moron. Just weren't one of the most profoundly evil people. That's here in florida who i mentioned earlier at the show. The founder of latinos for trump ileana garcia. Who is now. My state senator. So now i have ileana garcia as my state senator a republican who definitely should not be representing are like the basic space on the demographics of who we are and what we are in this area in in senate district Thirty seven like she is not the right person again. She won by thirty three votes. There were two people named rodriguez on the ballot. One of got a few thousand votes and then the other one the incumbent. I think it's fair to say probably lost a few because of that Construction of the ballot so this specific connection these candidates. They're not like coincidental. They didn't just randomly decide to do this. You know there's a similar story behind us all. There's a similar story behind justina naughty right. They were Just in the nfc for instance is a white woman but you know. Forget about what her name sounds like. They sent out a They sent out a mailer with a black woman on it with her name. Do a primarily black district to a black precincts within the district. And benefited again. The gop benefited from all three of these people. Playing the role of spoiler and fucking up campaigns that democrats running So they're not coincidences and subsequent records. Requests and investigations in media reports after in the aftermath of of the election. Day showed that there's this deep long money trail that connects them with the florida. Gop the specific connection from this other name. That is a little bit more important on the level of the gates in the greenberg's that you need that you need to remember to. Gop state senator former gop state center named frank delays. Who is like this ham faced. Miami guy should have pasted his picture in here. Because you just looks like a like a like a rum him. Having run him Young guy. I think he's only like forty but he looks. Just i don't know. I don't know like look like a pink pig just floating through the sky on a balloon filled with helium or something But he's like a lot of these conservative cubans. He's overtly racist he got caught spewing slurs public in a restaurant he had to resign in disgrace a few years back after dozens and dozens of complaints and all of these different scandals than eventually. The party got sick of having him around but he is still around. He is a consultant. He does all types of sort of off bookwork. He helps people with campaigns. He's a gop operative and he's the one who first approached. Alex rodriguez Who is just some random dude. Living here in miami and Began to fund. Its come to light and began to fund his quote unquote campaign. I only call it campaign in the loosest possible terms because again the purpose of this guy was only to spoil jose heavier because his election day at which succeeded it worked. It happened and front cortina's bragged about being the architect of the scam. He bragged about being part of it. so this story is a story of the chills and it brings us to our final act of the story which is the singularity. Maybe you can tell where these two sort of broadly disconnected stories are are are are coming to ahead i. I don't know exactly. But i just what i do know. Is that everything. Just kind of works together in that. Should he state that. You live makes things feel just hopeless but i. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of it though. I'm to rely going to be pretty quick because it's it's actually a very clear line that you can draw for the section. I want to rely on the work of a really great local reporter. Glennon milberg repeal his been reporting on the on these like straw candidates the shells since before became national news. The media even do that it was going on And i'm just gonna kinda pull up this this thread that she did She drew the line. This is glenn. Writing back on april twelfth. Congressman matt gates is now tied to schill candidates in a state senate election. This thread shows that goes candidate. Shows how that goes candidate is directly connected to southward florida shells. We busted last november. It's in the money trail that leads that led to frank art dealers arrest By the way also. Alex rodriguez was arrested. And they are both awaiting Awaiting i guess the first phase of their trial. The three she'll candidates planted into three four state. Senate races last november as we mentioned earlier I'm sorry it's kelsall for district thirty nine in miami. Dade alex rodriguez in district thirty seven. And just deny naughty in district nine up in central florida who has finally funny enough no picture because she's never been photographed like nobody knows who this person is. She's just puck name All three file this. Npa no party affiliation did no campaigning no fundraising nothing and yet. They were backed by two political action. Committees dave our florida and the truth. Both of these packs were created on the same day oct second one month before the election. And that's just the start. Both packs have only one contribution and only one expenditure and they're identical the only contributor on the day after they opened up the pack is to a company called proclivity which suddenly changed in forty campaign records to show grow united so it used to say the name of this company that they paid that they made a pain to as proclivity and then it changed. Somehow in the records changed to grow. United both are untraceable. Companies registered in delaware noticed. That she pulls she. Has you know she posts the receipts as they say And has screenshots accompanying this from the florida department of of elections notice. Three hundred and seventy thousand dollars went to our friend. Pac supporting the to southward a she'll candidates wherever he gives an a hundred and eighty thousand went to the truth pac supporting that central for candidate Two days later on the fifth of october both packs made what would be their only expenditure all of the money. Five hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the same clermont for the printing company that To the same cleremont for printing company. Advance impressions its owners are from miami. The mom and stepdad of gop. Strategist tied to both pap Both packs the product. She shows the flyers and the next tweet here the fires that they printed identical graphics but for the show candidates names. They were mailed to the respective districts voters to make. The shells appeal to democrats to siphon votes from the real democrats in the race. All of whom ended up losing as parsh- partly as a result. So back to. Florida congressman matt gates whom. The new york times connects to district. Chill candidate just deny naughty. She'll schemes are not illegal in florida. Illegal campaign funding is. That's how miami's seo State's attorney's office charged artigas and rigas no indication that the central florida. Seo's are on the case with respect to justify ninety so there's this long money trail that goes from gates to all of the candidates and ties all of this together in the franco delays. And the whole big plan with all of these other names that only very very inside baseball four politics people even know all of these names that are supporting and aiding and abetting and making this actual plan happened. And i guess what i'm trying to say about that is like first of all. It's very rare that it's all out in the open like this. You don't usually see it out like this like it's there for you to find but right it's not just like right in your face I also have pulled the clip from wwl tv. Nine up in orlando a the same article that we had talked about earlier about that couple. That runs maga- advisory i'll just A reach straight from the article inside. One of seminal counties most exclusive communities we that being the wwl tv nine reporter we also try to speak to former state lawmakers and lobbyists chris door worth who handled lobbying services for the tax collectors office through powerhouse ballard partners which is a law firm that all republicans candidates us down here basically door with resigned from that from last week following a report from the new york times in which sources claimed door with in gates discussed helping schill candidate entered the state senate race eventually won by jason brodeur. Who's a over the republican that eventually ended up winning it. So like i say this is like that rare case where all the stuff that we kind of know and feel and believe and i guess maybe are like a little too cynical about. It's a great out there and remember last. I don't remember if it was last week or two weeks ago. Would we did an episode. And i was talking about like a big theme. I'd like to try to talk more about on. The show is like how toxic self-deprecation can be because it lowers expectations for everything. And how we're like. Oh for the socks florida's corrupt for it as shit. Oh you know. Politicians politicians suck. And it's just we vote for all the bad people we fucking suck and it's just like get abets hopelessness. You know what. I mean like a story like this. I if feels at one moment. It's like it's gratifying. It's all laid out there in front of you and you're just like yeah. This is what i'm talking about. This is what i'm talking about. Everything's fucked up and then you're like man it's fucked up. What are i going to do. Yeah it's hard to not feel that way with the way things have been lately. But i i think in a very strange positive is that it's always been that way and so it's like it's not like it's a new thing it's not like it's really not getting worse. It's just always been this way. It's just you don't always have the means to track down all these connections and see all these things crossing and all that my question about this whole story that you're you're really like putting together here is how much of it is. Collaborative between these different factors of the republican party. At how much of it is just different little pockets of corruption. All happening. you know. Well it's funny. Because the impression that i get from reading all the stuff is that there are different. Cliques of Of the gop in the state there is the more ascendant and trendier cooler group that you want to be a part of which is the pedophile group the group of the pro-trump pedophile who by the way all the anti-pedophile pedophile children pro-trump people. You never hear them. Say a word about mackie's of course. Not no you'll never because that because that first of all they'll probably acknowledge the probably mentally acknowledge it but they'll just say like we said at the beginning of the show like. Oh that's the deep state trying to fuck him over because he saving babies quietly at. He's dressing up as batman and saving babies every night or some shit but You know it you try to read the tea leaves on some of this shit like for instance. Donald trump gates tried to spend a little bit of his capital. I guess his that he's built up by you know cape ing for donald trump all these years and and have a meeting with donald trump recently in donald trump cancelled a meeting apparently. And there's some debate as to whether or not that happened because again what the fuck. Donald trump donald trump didn't wanna meet with you fucking freaks back when he was president like you think he the biggest animating thing about donald trump the animated factor about donald trump was how much he hated. What he is an outer borough slick talking vulgar. You know not meant not fit for high society guy and he. He has spent his whole life trying to become a high society. You know Belva ball like the guy that will actually that people will will his in his adult brain. I wonder what he thinks. That is like that like somebody pins rose on him or some shit but like whatever that is people like. Donald trump have been sneered at by the elite like of manhattan outer boroughs people. They've been sneered at by the manhattan elite forever and they always will be probably because like where where donald trump but created. His mania was in trying to become accepted and not just accepted but like trying to do. It's a very boring supervillain origin story. like i i i want these people like me so bad that i hate them and now i'm gonna stray them or something. But what does it factor into that whole fucking thing are our rubes like matt gaetz and like and like florida politicians. Who you know. Like i think of like the guy who was running for governor brother were art thou like the like that like like a foghorn leghorn governor of of some fucking halley state. You know like liked like the last thing. Donald trump wants to spend a single minute with a single person. That likes him yet. These people don't register at all whatsoever. They're subhuman to him. He would give donald trump a choice between hanging out with his ten biggest fans from florida and spending the same amount of time with I don't know and a winter. Who probably fucking hates him. He would definitely rather hang out with anna wintour right. You know like. I don't know barbara walters definitely rather hang out with barbara walters. I'm not talking about an interview. I'm talking about just spending being stuck in a plane the next to his biggest supporter versus being stuck on a plane with You know a ricky martin. I dunno like any celebrity or anything like he would rather be because just to be in the presence of the celebrity or the or the high profile person means if he's winning and there's nothing that says winning about the the demographic that supports him unfortunately for him and for them more for them. I suppose dave there is a little epilogue to this and i wanted to call the epilogue ripples so to call these scandals scandals or corruption is kind of doing them a disservice gates greenberg the freaks that we talked about who aid and about them. The scum that benefit from the blanket republican leadership in florida. All of those schill candidates who go back to their job showing up where there used to be a blockbuster video and they're just is like an empty building now and they stand there and then they walk eight hours later like all these people they're all connected but like the way that you mentioned it was almost like the conspiracy and it is conspiracy. But i don't think it's in service of one person no matter how much air in the room. Donald trump takes up in the republican party. I think that it's more like an ecosystem and it's more like a like when you see an ecosystem that has figured out how to thrive really. Well that's what florida is. It's like when you see. Like oh i if i come back to this lake in august the bullfrogs are like huge because they just eight and there's no. There's no mosquitos here because they spent the whole summer eating mosquitoes. And then you know the bullfrogs diana the the larva of fucking maggots birth out of them and that creates a scheme. Whatever like it's like this perfect circle right a virtuous of virtuous cycle as they say in business school And yet. I am sure that there are people who benefit there are definitely people and corporations mostly who benefit But it's really more about florida as the test lab for the country and the world that these people want to create so just look right now at our legislature and the issues that we're talking about here in florida anti trans. Prep prep sports. We have fucking pandemic still going on and the number one Gop item up until today. That was that is was Making sure that that that trans girls can't play prep sports with other girls like they had. They had to focus time to put that into law. Now it's a lot The anti protests free speech law which can be wielded the way that it's written in so many horrible ways and it's going to have a really chilling effect in reality on the way that that that florida works Afford a the voters have afforded. Many times made it crystal clear that we love weed and his episodes coming out on four twenty so We want to be what you guys are recreational easy to get semi regulated. But you know are in favour of we'd like most of the country like most people But they continue to stymie that State unemployment system went back down again last week. It's fucking broken again Gerrymandering probably going to happen again. A terrible way Covert outcomes in exchange for an economic uplift. That really isn't any different from other states. So like i don't know we. We sacrifice a bunch of people so that we could have like one tenth of a percent higher unemployment rate or lower unemployment rate. Like was that worth it. I mean it definitely wasn't Voter suppression laws. That are mostly going to affect black and hispanic communities They just passed. They're working on passing a victims of communism day. That's going to be like an official official basically. Like an official day. I guess to celebrate cubans venezuelans and nicaraguans expos. Who who are you know. There are a lot of them here in florida particularly miami but i guess they need their own day That i guess would be a state holiday Meanwhile they passed the law that had an addendum the other day that officially on record denounced democratic socialism alongside fascism which as we all know are two sides of the same coin fascism and democratic socialism. So the effect real it's again the breadth of these kinds of things. You don't usually get to see them kind of laid out in a matter of a few new cycle strung together. The hot fucking news story right now is all this matt gaetz and children berkshire the joel. Greenberg story was one that was kind of firing in the background for a couple of years. You know 'cause you saw headlines where he was getting in trouble hand over fist So i think it's remarkable. I think it's worthy of this story boys episode that. Oh shit exactly one hour I think it was worth Spending this this hour talking about this. There's one other thing. I want to mention when it comes to the ripples there's also media ripples and there's perception there are narratives that get baked in. Were you read this this article or the same story written seven or eight times by different people different outlets shit like that and the big one that that that was coming out in the run-up to election day political wrote this washington post wrote is You know local media wrote this lot was like hey. Don't don't don't underestimate the gop. The gop's working hard putting in the phone calls doing the field work. You know making making it happen. Meanwhile democrats are stuck at home because they believe in covid and they're not getting out but meanwhile the gop the the you know the trump canvassers are out there. They're doing the field work and you know and and they would always be. They would read basically all of these articles You know political articles washin political in washington post. I think the worst offenders Another one local website for public florida politics like state website about florida. Politics was really bad with the soup. They would basically be rewriting a lot of press releases or relying on on like really specious data where it was like. Oh well you know the gop has you can find these stories dave. They're like out there where it's like. The gop has narrowed the registration lead with with with the democrats and it was a it was a battle of public relations. And then sure enough it came to fruition. Donald trump won florida republicans. Just like they always do just trounced florida integrate here. And you're never going to see all of those stories about the hard work and shoe leather and Canvassing in and hours. You're never gonna see all those rewritten press releases all this bullshit. That was fed to these reporters by gop. Operatives like frank tillis. you're never going to see a somebody come out and say hey maybe Maybe just outworking them and appeal and like the other one was like. Oh they're peeling two different. Just insert demographic cubans blacks whatever You know The new venezuelan voters in The nicaraguan voters who by the way can't fucking vote off the cuff bullshit stories. That they're never gonna look back on and be like Maybe we were fucking wrong. Maybe the gop was just fucking cheating inbetween fucking teenagers like maybe like in the few minutes that they had in between fucking different teenagers they were going to cocaine parties and ecstasy parties. Maybe just maybe there was some foul play. And maybe i bought hook line and sinker this bullshit narrative about how they're just like working harder and out there you know sending to their lists and engaging their base and finding new new voters dasha pissed me off so much because at that time when you and i were doing bernie shit and we were like you know actually you know supporting bernie and then even in the aftermath of bernie dropping out like one thing i knew is that the. Gop wasn't fucking appealing to anybody. It wasn't like they didn't have some magic bullet where people were just loving them. There were some people who love trump. there was some new demographics of people who specifically loved donald trump But get them. Try to ask them one question about what they're conservative. Beliefs are right and see them. Just be like be trump. because that's all that they're conservative. belief is trump. And yeah you know so. I just found those articles at the time frustrating ten times more frustrating and the days and weeks after the election when the reporters The political reporters would be like we tried to tell yet. We tried to tell you. The florida was the democrats. Were losing ground in florida and then infinitely more frustrating. Now that all of this shit comes out and not one of them is out there saying I guess. I guess we really fucked that up. Maybe we shouldn't have just reprinted. A fucking press. Release from the the florida republican party. Well they are learning from those people's playbook basically so they're they're they're just playing the same tricks so the show is such a fucking downer. We should have a segment where we say something about like what you can look especially when we do. The story boys episodes What can you do call to action. What do we what. What can you do about this. Honestly nothing there's nothing you can do about now this particular thing. There's nothing you can do about it. But i don't know if. I mean the absolute best case is trying to get you know friends or family or something to see that it's bullshit but it's not going to stop it from happening in the not going to stop it from being printed. Here's a question because the last question. I'm going to get into and this is the one that's going to get. Our show eventually cancelled because this is going to become my new bugaboo. This is going to be the thing that's going to eventually get. All of our shows pulled off of all the platforms. We're going to get the platform. I'm going to anchor but it is. They allow anything. It'd be guesting on an the the nazi crocheting. Our does doing whatever whatever gets their numbers up. I'm thinking specifically. I know you probably haven't had time to read through that new law. That was just signed into effect today but it really has me kind of more than pissed off just like shook really about this like this anti protest legislation that i mean there's a million implications but the deeper you go into it and the more you think into a game out the scenarios that it could present the more chilling it becomes but broadly it makes it where the basically you can't protest in groups larger than nine Otherwise police can just arrest you for no reason at all and You also can get arrested for protesting they will deem you a rioter You'll get extra harsh penalties in terms of like you know registrations and being registered as a as a You know whatever. I don't know if there's repercussions down the road like you won't be able to vote like that and then on top of that you don't get bail so you're stuck in jail until you're released so it's it's it's horrible and it's like that vinyl boot on the neck were i think and this is the thing that i'm concerned that if anybody ever started paying attention will we could very easily get completely cancelled for within the body of a potential responses that we as people have to authority over us at one point does it have to become violence. At what point do we really have to kill cops. I'm and i thought exercise. But i mean tell me that things are fucked up. I think that people can agree that things are fucked up ford particularly as a fucked up place that is that is being run by people. Who are you know who don't have it's people's best interests at heart. Except for very specific white people who live in very specific suburbs and have very specific lived experiences but the majority of us were not well represented And if that's the case if you're run tyrannical by and i don't mean this in the like oh hardee's wouldn't give me my. Let me come in. eat my My bacon cheeseburger because I i refuse to put a mask over my nuts as left the like free ball and public conservative shit i mean like actual tyranny not like imaginary tyranny like you know pretend victim tyranny. I mean like really like again not being able to gather in protests in groups larger than nine that kinda shit like real things like you have to ask. At what point do you defy the law and then the next outcropping of that the next sort of like logical step is at. What point. do you commit violence. Yeah at what point does violence need to happen for there to be. The appropriate amount of attention made the issue. Yeah national specially after that law. Today i mean i i. I only see it going in that direction. But it's you know it's not good once they start. I mean how do you how do you put the cap back on visit organized as a campaign they vote they say. Get out there and make your case. The democratic part of the state democratic party isn't making it easy all the state democratic party can effectively do is about how not socialist. They are and they're not even effective at that because people still think they're fucking socialists. Even though they're basically just fucking republicans And at what point do you have the punch back. The problem is that you don't have the apparatus of of the the states. You know what the state uses to meet out violence. You don't have that and as on on on the left you never will. So that was an episode of story. Boys dave which think i'll learn. I learned what i learned that there. There's a lot of little bits and pieces of weird strange corruption. Going on in your state. That all seem to play together in the strange connected thing and it's It it just goes to show that you you know. There's no centralized thing that you can kind of fight back against so it just it just makes it all the more darker but a smile on your face everyone.
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I don't know the new would love this guy so the drug has made you Told the car basically from the dudes Driveway out onto the street. And that's where the the tow truck is currently parked and the this very effeminate man is throwing himself on the car. I love sorta out of breath lose. Oh saving somebody helped me getting raped like you're being assaulted on the street doing this. I work at the chiropractor i asked you. You did. You said you're gonna call police on me. I planet now. a neighbors getting involve he just. I don't know if you could hear that or not but just asked are you on this. God damn planted. Are you wanna go right to target feeling. None of his neighbors like him. You know what i mean like. They're all coming out in support of the tow truck which is rare people tend to hate tow truck drivers half meter maid. Go right to tell the you're guaranteed to lock your ass here. The guy grades trying to get this kid's attention who is wailing off. 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So you'll never have to worry about reoccurring charges three stories now. And then we'll get the hell out of here for you. Kick things off here with a healthy dose of stupidity. A new blood inspired perfume may soon have an ideal group of early adopters. That's right and just last week. A pair of italian preneurs antonio zukas giovanni castelli debuted blood concept a provocative fragrance line based on the four major human blood types. A b abyan. Walk the line for goes incorporating actual blood. The italian duo nonetheless claim that each sent is a bucket of of the blood type. It represents shitting me even tell what what the differences between the blood they they all look and smell the same right Blood concept is just a celebration of human life through an interpretation of its evolutionary process is said to be more accurate. It's an interpretation of the evolution of our most important element the blood in our veins in keeping with the matic theme before sense. 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Hopefully i'll be able to sample them in the flesh soon antique dealer by day he plants a vampire. Antique dealer. rayleigh An antique dealer by deck faggot. He plans to travel to italy in september where he may drop by. Be blood concept offices and pick up a few miles. Married at warner says she has a hard time believing that vampires would go for such a gimmick. She's a vampire est in author of vampire. Taxonomy i don't know what that means. It's cheesy it's chintzy. She said in a phone interview. it's not their style. I can't imagine a real vampire would be enticed by blood. In fact if they detected the scent of it might make you more of a target for a mercy. Killing warner admitted though. That blood concept was a brilliant idea. Adding that according to the mythology of Hbo vampire series. true blood. vampires turned to synthetic blood when there is none of the real stuff drew blood. Of course fictional not like the real vampires out there come on now wearing a designer sent like blood concept good help soften vampires image primal vicar at the same fragrance. Oh hearkens back to the beginnings of humankind's who to said when we were all lonely hunters in hatton. Stop it of stupid whether or not the blood inspired perfume meets murder kisses expectations. He can at least take comfort. In knowing that one ingredient will not be found in any of the sense. That happens to be garlic. But i'm bob alright second star. We have free today stupid. Authorities say philadelphia woman gave new meaning to the phrase dirty diapers twenty. Four year old jennifer. Yom was arrested for allegedly using a newborn babies diaper to smuggle drugs to her boyfriend in jail. It's unconfirmed whether she is the mother of the baby. Police say they received a tip on young and possible contraband. Prison guards closely watched young when she visited her boyfriend. Randy sanchez on april nine. That sounds like a term gave her a randy sanchez. Please say the baby on sanchez's lap and that sanchez was seen pulling something from the baby's typer when a prison guard a person a couple police say that sanchez dropped rubber glove on the floor that contain five xanax enforce boxin bills. I dunno both young and sanchez then taken into custody well. Sanchez was already in custody. Please say young admitted to smuggling the drugs using the baby that it was the second time they had done so. Please say that sanchez admitted to asking them to bring the drugs and then he planned to use zanex pills while selling the others. Search young's car where they found latex love with no fingers and prescription bottles with dan axe young appeared for a preliminary arraignment on april tenth and was released on twenty. Five thousand dollar unsecured. Bail sanchez is scheduled. For an april twenty-seventh preliminary hearing and upper darby's been confined since an earlier march fourteenth. So there you go and finally. Today the story comes from washington gaby. Rodriguez would worry whenever anyone asked to touch her baby bump. It wasn't because she felt shy or embarrassed because the bulge fashioned from wire mesh in cotton quilt batting. Didn't actually contain a baby done. John john for the past six and a half months the baltimore senior year the seventeen year old as student faked her own pregnancy bitch. Only a handful of people mother boyfriend and principal among them. New gabby was pretending to be pregnant for her senior project. Her teacher and fellow students except for her best friend didn't realize they were part of a social experiment. Neither did six or seven siblings including four other brothers boyfriends parents in his five younger brothers and sisters at times. I just wanted to take it off and be done. She says i didn't want to go through with this anymore. The topic of presentation stereotypes rumors in statistics. Teenagers tend to live in. The shadows of these elementary says before taking perfect baby belly in front of the entire student body gabby told her audience. Many things were said about me. Many things traveled all the way back to me then. She asked several students and teachers to read statements. From three by five cards quotes. People actually said about her during the course of our experiment. Her best friend site cortes a seventeen year old senior. Who was sitting in the front row. Red card number three quote. Gratitude is changing and it might be because of the baby or she was always this annoying. And i never realized it. Things grew quiet in the gym. As more and more quotes were read aloud then gabby dropped her bomb. I'm fighting against those stereotypes rumors because the reality is i'm not pregnant. So if you're in high school and you see one of your classmates. His pregnant punch a really hard in the stomach just to make sure. Because i don't trust anyone anymore and neither should you. Oh very gassy today. Some cajun shrimp. I think is coming up all right. In essence. She gave up her senior year. The principal said she sacrificed her senior year to find out what it would be like to be a potential thima. I admire her courage. Her blah blah blah. Who the fuck cares gabby plans on going to college. He's also also going to present her research to a board of community members in may include does and videos from wendy's wednesdays assembly. I keep fumbling over these words. Because i simply don't care about this story and gabby still needs to finish writing a report but by revealing the project students wednesday. She can go on her english class trip to oregon do without her baby belly. She also didn't want to be pregnant for the problems that my friends is your distorted news for friday. Let's get the hell on here. Oh freak speak to me please. Hey member spider Hey i've her class Can you try and find a blood play. sex tastic tuesday and read it If you can't find any thing i'd be more than happy to write a story somewhat of a offer right. I'm sure there are blood place stories out there right as anyone run across them. If so email me. I'll try to myself. Thank you for anchorman. Kansas and My least favorite thing. Every week is sex tuesday but Last week it was bad ass. I think the kinda fixed it for me. Having a lot of stories that are really short. Oh you like better ask. Because it's like it's like the writers have these really delicious terms like yeah get in and get out. They get right into the sex and then use all their Creative terms and then they punch out that her that her vagina was was festering and that the man breasts were were hanging and and made it. They just drop that. Y'all try to find some more short stories. Maybe we'll start doing that. Like three or four shorter stories. Eight any bill. I remember snatch we hear hey The freeloading faggots won't have any idea what i'm talking about on the Tuesday april fifth senate portion of the show. You played piece of audio. That i've made it through bunny crushes and all that good chip problem. I fucking love it actually like audio of that. Do drink and piss from the taps. Which so crisp and clear and was a little bit in my mouth. I gotta bravo user parking off threat. Just another reason to sign up the side show crisp clear piss audio. Hey tim vincent thin sideshow freak here. i listened to your show in the last two years and then i had to quit listening because my job when let me use it potting. More though it's been about nine months. And i listen to your new shows and i gotta tell you man you've really lost production value used to listen to fit all the way through used to play a lot of good ob- you now you just showed little segment. The clifton will segments of audio. You liked the longer form when i actually spend ten minutes on one clip. I always thought that people like you know more smaller pieces of audio. But maybe i should start doing longer pieces again. I don't know the first ten minutes of the show just devote to one piece of audio him his loyal listener shitty city. Sean i just had idea for a new movie. And i thought i'd give you the first india to use it. I wanted to a remake of diehard and instead of getting some You know similar action star to do play. john maclean. That's been done before. By idea is the higher corky from life goes on to play john. Mccain gordon would really spruce up any film return on their show. Here just gonna finished listen One of the shows somebody calling and complaining about the intro Here's what i need to do every time somebody calls to complain about something i think we really need to listen to them. Very care doesn't wanna hear raymond fourteen intro. You need to make an intro was just framing. Fourteen point save wherever you complain about this. Talking again fucking. Don't teach you a call and complain. But show freak. Dr mary beth touch freelance. Patrick oncologist and i've got a little riddle for you. I apologize if you've already heard by the you played this voicemail but maybe somebody creek get a good laugh at it anyway. Here we go. How much cocaine did charlie sheen do. How much answer enough to kill two and a half men sugar. I didn't hear that one eight ten underage listener here from colorado. I'm just saying that my seventeenth birthday is on monday. April the eleventh. And i'm super excited when you're closer to being a sideshow member anyway disgusting. I love the show. I've been listening for around two years now. And i've loved everything even the bunny crush videos so good jobs him. A real lady free underage. Play freak. Golly you should let your mother be the host of the show. Yeah i haven't caught. That would be also. He doesn't have to do the whole thirty. Meaning she could do five or listen to water throughout the. Oh god they want to news and after like five or six points main. That'd be a good idea. I never thought to have my mom In on some of the the audio that i play that might be kind of funny goldenberg nori bullshit. You hold with the mayonnaise called last week my wife. I remember you liked you anyway. listen to that on. My ipod wasn't troll. And i just i just hit play headed down mccombs over my radio that where going and i got i got behind the car window and so i hit my blue lights and we around a curve before i could reach down to try to turn off my ipod and try to turn off that fifteen minutes of mayonnaise. My down between my radio in console and this guy took off. I'm sitting here. Falling asked him a wondering. Dennis backside road and i had my firearm going in. I'm trying to keep a high speed chase with mayonnaise. Mayonnaise mayonnaise if your soundtrack on a microphone to tell my dispatch that is in pursuit. And i'm trying to get a copy of everything is recorded at our dispatch center or the number one center. I'm trying. I'm trying to get a type of this keyed up. All you can hear in. The background is mayonnaise mayonnaise. Mayonnaise 'em cell phone ringing mayonnaise thing over and over and over the background. Got the siren going. This cock sucker steadily running from me. I had to keep you know trying to everything. I could not have to tell you. Turn into the federal. Don't happen next time. I keyed up one up for next a couple of times later. Oh you can hear is Tim hinson reeks of. Let's say I got a phone call. I've got a phone call from every superior officer so far except for the sheriff You know now. I'm calling in. I believe this is So i mean to call him for a while now. But i hadn't gotten a phone call the sheriff yet so i guess you know as long as that does it come. 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Nevada Womens Film Festival Nikki Corda Interview (Special Episode)
"All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show are actually doing a special interview episode and I'm going to be talking to Nikki, Corta founder of the Nevada Women's Film Festival which is having its sixth annual event coming up later this. This month and I thought it would be interesting conversation to have her on and talk about the festival, which of course had to be postponed because of everything with the pandemic, and is now moving from the theaters to an online experience. And I figured we'd have a lot to talk about as far as how that all goes and the struggles of planning a festival at. At a time like this, and then of course talking about the films themselves, so we have a of great stuff to talk about that is coming up in a second, but before we get to that I of course as always WANNA. Remind you hey if you're enjoying what you're hearing on the show, please make sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast. APP ON APPLE PODCASTS spotify. spotify podcast stitcher tune in all the major podcast apps you can, of course also rate and review us over on Apple podcasts or pod. Chaser follow us on social media at Piecing Pod, and if you love movies and want to talk about movies, join our facebook group, popcorn and puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all the movies we talk about here on the show. So You know we've been doing a lot of episodes lately, so I do encourage you. If maybe you're interested in the Nevada women's film festival, and so you're listening to this interview, but you haven't listened to the the main show before. Check out. We've got so many back episodes. We've been putting out one or two a week every week, and so we've got a lot to checkout, so go check out the the previous episodes. We got one hundred and thirty something of them. Lots of lots of movies that we're talking about on the show, so check him out appreciate everybody that's been out there listening and supporting the show and everybody who has been writing in with their comments and stuff like that just awesome. So happier out there. Enjoying the show, so let's get this conversation about the Nevada. Women's Foam Festival. Who? Are Joining me today. We have got Nikki Korda. From the Nevada women's film. Festival Nikki. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. Yeah I. Obviously, we planning onto in this back before everything got so crazy and festival had to be postponed. What everything with the pandemic and now it's an online film festival I think we'll have plenty to talk about with that as well as some of the some of the picks and films that you guys are going to be playing and stuff like that, but you know first and foremost. Maybe you could tell our listeners a little bit about you yourself what you do. Sure so I. I use to kind of quickly identifies the documentary filmmaker, but I haven't created a documentary quite a while because of Nevada women's film festival. So I would say I run Nevada Women's film festival first and foremost and. Then I also teach I teach at Nevada. State College and College of US esn colleges southern Nevada I teach in the film a Visual Media Department in a sea, and in the English department at both schools. Okay, so you you stay busy. You're in a lot of different film related stuff. Yes, yes, and documentary is my passion and idea. Intend to go back to documentary filmmaking I also have a business called life portrait's which is A. Mostly, about biographical documentary filmmaker gang, which is why I would be quick to call myself documentary filmmaker. And I just want to get to the point where I can focus more on dock on making films I. Really Miss You know I I. Get I get it I, you know I'm a music composer I, but lately I've been calling myself a podcast or because I do so many of these things. Exactly and I love the. But I don't think people realize how it really is a fulltime job. Well it, so you've been doing it since the beginning right, you've been part of the founding of it in everything right? Yes, I actually am the founder of the festival. I was teaching in a the film department at. One of the schools that I noticed stat, our enrollment of women had. Decreased I looked into that and. Never really occurred to me that there was any disparity. I looked into that and I also watched a documentary that kind of changed. My life called a misrepresentation I. Don't know if you've ever seen that or heard it. I heard of it. I. Don't think I've Seen A-. And it's amazing, and it's obviously a few years old now, but on Gena Davis has a really big a prominent role in their end. On, it's made by the woman. She's currently the First Lady of California. Married a governor Newsom, but she's a filmmaker I'm Jennifer. newsom feeble Newsom, and it's just chock full of really informative. statistics and anecdotes about how it really is tougher for women in film. It's getting better like. Everything else wants. Attention is drawn to an issue and we're free to start talking about it and. Effecting change in change does occur. Your bit Shirley slowly, but surely, but it's. It's great that it's happening. and you know we. We talk on this show normally on the regular episodes about what movies you know, inspired other movies. It sounds like that is movie. That would be a puzzle piece right there. For what were you with this festival? That's actually a really good point. You're piecing it together. I would say that was my inspiration that along with. Being an instructor over there and seeing that we're losing our women. In the Department but From. What actually happened was I started a club. The faculty adviser for the Women, Film Club over there and we decided we would just have. kind of like a little independent local film festival, and what we didn't know was as soon as we open it up to this platform called film freeway We started getting phone calls from all over the world. We had something like nine. Hundred submissions are very first year. This was back in two thousand fifteen, and so very quickly. We decided we are real. Don't festival and we've been real jump festival ever since I've had a great team of play. Amazing mostly women all amazing. Amazing! A partners that I've worked with shoutouts Patty Thomson. May Long breath. Johnson at Tall. Esther Gabriel Kelsey Stacey. Courtenay Monroe all people I could not live without Joe Muris a Dr Heather Addison is also autumn words she is. That share of the film department at UNLV so many names that you know you hear all the time in this you know the small knit film community. They're definitely such a major part of it. and I just realized. To Fifteen, I believe was when a music video of mind directed by April. Kagan At the festival shadows on the ceiling. David that's right, and that's when I first became aware of your name. Go Yeah David Roseanne it sounds like someone I should know for sure. It's me me and the character on. What's it called scandal are. On their. Way Anyway. So, this is the sixth year of the Women's Film Festival I. Know You've got sixty eight films this year. twenty-three countries. That's awesome. It's really wild a aside from the obvious change with everything with going online because of everything going on right now. What else has changed in these six years? Would you say as far as putting this thing together Wow, what did get question well? I've never given birth, but I hear that childbirth is so incredibly intense that women forget otherwise they would never have more children. And I think that's maybe the same with the festival were all interior staff and so that hasn't changed the amount of work, but I would say what what has changed is certain things get easier. It's gotten a bit easier to get. Acclaimed interesting filmmakers. To pay us a visit this year we as you know, we had large clamor Tamaam of the Mustang and. We're honoring her this year with our vanguard award, and we also have besides our Nevada woman filmmaker, the year Andrea Walter. WHO's amazing but another. Kind of high profile filmmaker. WHO's going to be joining us? Carol dice singer. and She just wanted an academy award just this past March. February whatever it was for learning to skateboard in a war zone. If you're a girl and this if you haven't seen it, it's a short documentary. Made in Afghanistan, showing a place called Skate Stan where these young gals go to. Learn how to Skateboard, but also to develop courage and strength, and it's. She started really amazing, inspiring, Short film that won the award. That's awesome i. it seems like these filmmakers that are represented when it comes to. Other you know a lot of other places for a festival like yours and especially in a place like Nevada where people come from all over the world. You know, so you got that that angle the it seems like a kind of perfect storm to really showcase some interesting talent that doesn't get shown everywhere else. You know you're so right, and one can really excited about this year is just because of the fact that we're going to be virtual. We have more filmmakers coming into. Join us than we ever could have had in the past. so people will travel to Las Vegas. Everyone wants to come. and. I think the furthest we've had anyone travel in from may have been Toronto previously, so nobody off. The continent no-one from Europe. Which is actually travel to your But now we've got Australia. We've got New Zealand's. All over Europe. We even have a filmmaker who's going to be joining us from. Iran is yeah, and so it's such an opportunity for our community. I want to get back to the film's a little bit. So you know, we were just talking about the Mustang which you know obviously shot here in Nevada. Are you seeing all? It's great when we get these. Submissions from all over the world and everything, and that's a wonderful thing to celebrate, but are you seeing more filmmakers coming out of out of Las Vegas Nevada in general absolutely, and we always give priority to our locals and our local students, and we have sin create local films this year. We have another April Keagan actually think over the years we've had three from echo again. chace year too hard worker. She's authored doing it. I love April. UH, she last year won best student filmmaker, our award for best student film for happy this year She Scott on spacecraft in Callisto. Feature and we have a villa. A short film by Let's see Gabriella obvious Kara just Anaya. we have films from a other films from Nevada state. We have a dance dance astro girl, which is really fun on a couple of local filmmakers who I really love Sean Fallon and Charlotte Barrett their film is called possibilities in it's. It's just a really funny dark comedy. I love it twelve minutes long. We've got some UNLV films. We've got a lost in the eighties. Moles we've got a the lost city museum by Benjamin down. And Spencer homes we have. We have a filmmaker. Another UNLV student. I believe is Gem San below sauce and she had a film last year this year she has to. She's also nominated for best student filmmaker and also. Best Algae bt Q a themed film. That's called says. I'm probably missing someone bet David. Let's talk about Andrea Walter I was just going to say I. I'd love to hear more about that film in in about her getting filmmaker of the year so Andrea Walter were so proud of Andrea says she is another a UNLV Sean. Grad and her film is called empty by design. we a are getting special permission to screen it There's a situation in the Philippines where. were, not one hundred percent. Sure about what the restrictions will be, so that's that's one thing that's actually really changed for us. Is the fact that we're now streaming our films and there are different restrictions it anyway empty by design is one hundred percent. takes place in Manila in the Philippines, so this is. You know switching thoroughly professional film and were just so proud of Andrea is very deserving of this honor this year Nevada woman filmmaker. Toasted Yeah That's great and I and so you were just talking about the the restrictions on everything. Does each film have its own challenges with being able to screen it now because of it being an online thing well. So we're using platform called inventive, which is great and event. Was All set to be our new box office. A platform. Similar to event, bright and a brown paper tickets, but they were going to be our new boxoffice platform, and then when you know B C or B B before pandemic and then when we didn't know. We're going to have to postpone the festival and we put it on. Hold what we're even going to do. And then we, we noticed that. Enchanted is. Is actually completely set up for these online festival, so they're really great There are many many choices about how to stream the films they can. They can becoming from video from Youtube or inventive hosts. The films themselves. But one thing that's really convenient is if we're just using our youtube channel on. Of course, everything is on private on says some filmmakers are understandably a little bit concerned about thinking that they're. Just out on Youtube, but it's not. It's really not. There are some really. Good safe restrictions that were able to place on when the film is shown what parts of the world and so on, and so with some of our films that are not in competition the three. Special screenings that we talked about which is empty by design learning skateboard in a war zone. If you're a girl and the Mustang with those three thumbs, each of them has very specific restrictions that we need to honor for the distributors. That's really interesting. An interesting new thing with this new frontier of of doing these online film festivals because like. I, know like. South by southwest was so famously went online last month with Amazon and you know there was a lot of questions about that about you know how these things are going to be kept. Piracy and all that kind of stuff. It's good to know that there are. Steps being taken by that I would think for the filmmakers to be able to know that I think that's really important and a great sign of this being something that can can succeed this way. Absolutely and. You know I think there's certain things you can't be. A hundred percent protected with anything in life I mean even show film rate, even if it show film in theater or you go to a concert, of course, how can you stop someone from recording a song on their iphones? So I mean, that's just one of the chances you have to take in life, but for the most part were very safe with being able to stream on this event of platform. Absolutely, so festival's coming up June. Twenty fifth to twenty eighth well, those are the dates. Yes, but pre screening for on demand, begins on the twenty second and actually. Our our listeners should really know that that's when you really want to become proactive and start watching the phones. Because if you do wait until the twenty fifth, you'll notice that on our schedule. Those are just QNA sessions. And so that is one thing that are available dis or ticket holders will really have to get used to. As we had a traditional Thursday through Sunday. Will we still do but only for key art QNA's and our interviews? Only our live events will be. Yacht during those days so sure you can come in. You know enjoying the QNA's as but if you didn't see the movies it's it's not going to. Carry Out, as good you, WanNa see those. Sure support support your favorite filmmaker. Absolutely, but it's. It's better if you've seen the films. So, so that's great to know, and we'll have a link in the show notes for anybody who's interested in checking those films out and checking the festival out and going from here. I mean obviously we'RE GONNA! See how I know you in your press release mentioned that this is like an experiment going online, but go going forward. What do you you know? Obviously? We got to see how it goes. Goes, but are you thinking like hybrid of this kind of a thing with within person like what's what's the hope for the future as things start to get back to a little bit of normalcy, and that's an interesting question. That's also questioned. I'm being asked looking at my fault, teaching scheduled. You want to tour Tursun. Do you WanNa? Do a hybrid and I think going forward assuming were. Healthy and The CDC is has given the thumbs up I think there's nothing like meeting people in person, because of course part of the festival experience, the parties and networking in meeting people and we're going to do our best to. Allow our festival filmmakers and our audience ticket holders and so on. To Network as as much as is possible in this type of format, and so in answer to your question for next March in we. I don't know I think it will all depend on what we're allowed to do. My first choice would absolutely to be able to do this in person. What do you think David when you when you go to the theater, your house at a different experience for you than watching at home. Unreal. I am. I am a champion of the theatrical experience. People who know me know that I rally against the idea of the Netflix and all that stuff like I love it. It's great that it's there. And of course you know temporarily to it. It's it's the only option for now and certainly in no rush to go back to the theaters with the way, things are right now, yeah! But but once they're back. I can't wait. You know because I do love that whole just. Being in that big dark room, and just being a orb in film, and all that I I love that you know, and and then especially as far as film, festivals are concerned being able to. Then you know like you, said the now working and all that stuff, but I am excited though about the idea of certain kinds of film festivals, being able to go online and be able to do advance, especially like you said like with the experimental nature of being able to still. Put together like networking portions and stuff like that online. I think that there's so much potential in that and I think that there's. Definitely! Not even joking around like you were saying with school, even you know. A lot of different areas to be. This is getting on a total tangent, but. Yeah A lot of great potential for for a hybrid, izing these kind of things and finding ways to really Mesh the online experience with the in person experience, and it's exciting. I feel like we're in a strange new world and I think there are gonNA. Be a lot of benefits. I think it's going to be better for the planet. For one thing Travel less. Time in the car I don't Miss Driving One bit. I don't Miss I. Don't Miss Waiting for a doctor appointment. That's. That yeah and bet you know another thing that we're aware of in in regards to. Our festival is with the streaming perhaps. You'll watch a block of films or you watch one of the features several days before the QNA and I think there might be something lost with not being able to sit in the room on right after you had this immersive experience as you say entity, be able to meet the filmmaker and ask them. Questions when it's still fresh in your mind, and said thought might be something. will look forward to. Changing in the future, so that or even this year where we're going to try to have our social media Gal, courtenay will try to have some watch parties so that we can try to emulate that experience as much as possible without overlapping other QNA sessions. Oh, that's cool. I like that idea lot, yeah! And most importantly, we're going to try to keep our sense of humor. Because you know things going to ness up in boy, let me tell you too so stressful when it let you know when something like that happens, but you know I'm going into this just. You know what's funny. Though is when when have you ever been to a film festival? And there wasn't some kind of messed up in person, either so it's like. It happens anyway. There's always the possibility for something like that right so as much planning as we're doing and working our butts off right now. We're just GONNA have to just. Be Chill about it. Not Stress Out too much if things Smith's up. Then, hopefully, it'll be a minimum. That's right. Where where can people go to find more INFO about the festival? So our website? You can either just goal Nevada women's film festival, our Akron is N. W.. F.. So those are two f. f. like frank, and then E. S. T.. Dot Com on or like a such google it and we're on every social media except for Tiktok or working on that. FACEBOOK twitter and instagram. Awesome. Well Nikki this great and you know I. Always ask my guests before I. Let them Go. Is there a movie us recently like to maybe recommend to our listeners well. It's a little embarrassing, but the most recent movie I watched was the Academy Award Winner for best film, and I know that everybody watched that back. Before March, but I couldn't because I was programming the film festival so I just recently saw parasite. And, of course, I loved it was amazing. I couldn't stop thinking about it. What a twist! Spoilers in case. Anyone out there who hasn't seen parasite yet Also what other uncut gems I loved and and even the Irish. A lot of people didn't like the Irishman. Because of how long it is I I. Don It riveting absolutely yeah me, too. Yes, yes, that's a movie that stays with you, you know. Oh loved it so much I think it was maybe Christmas Day. I watched it in its entirety without any breaks. Nice, that's the way. I'm a nerd. Nikki. Thank you so much and good luck with the festival and. I'm looking forward to it myself David. Thank you so much. This has been fun. Thank you for inviting me and thank you so much for being a sponsor. We appreciate it. Oh, absolutely I very happy to be able to support local film events. I think it's awesome. What you guys are doing so much who? Hello welcome to the all points West podcast network. This is cute. June is GONNA. Be Huge for us where starting the month off with the launch of House on fire, a podcast hosted by youth climate activists, JP Mahia and Gaby Rodriguez and presented in partnership with the Cleo Institute and Unicorn Fire Radio. We're talking climate change from the frontlines of the crisis Miami with generation who has the most at stake in their first episode JP and Gabby talked to the CO founder of Zero Hour Jamie, Markland, about how generation Z. is taking up the mantle for action on global warming, and what it means for the near future. The first four episodes are up on June fifth with more to come every other week, so be sure to subscribe rate and review now. Meanwhile over on awesome movie year Jason Harrison Josh. Bell are reviewing the year in film nineteen ninety-six including swingers welcome to the dollhouse bottle rocket independence day in more. They've got some awesome bonus content. They'll be releasing later this month, but you need to subscribe to find out what it is, and over on enter those Monica and Paulo are getting into the world of language rights, and how parents can push for better bilingual programs in their communities, so check it out by subscribing today. Ra so hope you enjoyed that conversation with Nikki Corta make sure to check out that Nevada women's film festival again it's coming up the streaming begins June twenty second, and then the rest of the festivals happening between June. Twenty Fifth and twenty eighth. You can find out more information over on N. W. F. Fest Dot Com, and of course to search for Nevada women's film fest, but It's great. Great Festival support it support Las. Vegas, Nevada film related events, also speaking of Nevada film. We mentioned the Mustang which is going to be presented with the vanguard award. During the festival, we covered the Mustang back on episode, Seventy Nine featuring Rosa Para. Who by the way is starting a new film podcast called Latinos Lens so check that out as well. I think that's starting any day now so. Check out episode seventy nine on the Mustang which is a great movie and check out the Nevada women's film festival, and that does it for today as always I, WanNa remind you to make sure you're subscribed to piecing together wherever it is, you listen to podcasts, and you can follow us on social media at Piecing pod join the facebook group, popcorn and puzzle pieces. We also have the Patriots going where we posted Vance episodes before they hit the main feed as well as bonus content, and I'm actually going to be releasing a a special exclusive compilation of some music. Some extra bonus tracks that I cut from my newest album beater original motion picture soundtrack there's. Already thirty four tracks, as it is, because it's a compilation of a whole bunch of film score music I've made over the last six years, but there was even more and so i. Currently compiling some of the stuff that was cut for the sake of not making it forty tracks or something, and so I'm going to put together rest of those bonus tracks and put it into a special album. That's only going to be available on the Patriots so lots of cool stuff on Patriot on a patriot dot com slash piecing pod, and it combines obviously. I'm sitting here talking about me music, it combines my podcast stuff and my music stuff so a lot of. Of great content on there, so we'd love your support and speaking of music I'm going to close this episode out with a piece of music as I always do and like I mentioned in the episode a few years back, a music video of mine directed by April Keagan called shadows on the ceiling, actually played at the Nevada women's film festival, so I am going to close this thing out with that song shadows on the ceiling. It's from my second album unseen sky and It's available everywhere. Music is available, and you can check out that music video over on my youtube. Channel Music by David Rosen and song again is called shadows on the ceiling and thank you as always for listening. All points West production produced by David Rosen in Las Vegas.
Z Brandon Christensen Interview (Special Episode)
"All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show are actually doing one of our director up special episodes couple of weeks ago, we talked about the creepy kid. Horror Movies Z., which is out now on shudder and today I'm going to be talking with its director Brandon. Christianson Brandon's from here in Las, Vegas I've known him. Him For years now, and so as really happy to get a chance to not only spotlight his film, but to get a chance to talk to him, and we have a great conversation coming up here on the episode. So if this is your first time listening to piecing it together, I hope you enjoy it and I hope you subscribe wherever it is that you like to listen to podcasts. Run Apple PODCASTS. Ron spotify we're on tune in. We're on stitcher. All the major podcast apps where even on the one you're listening to it on right now. How about that So you should subscribe? You could also follow us over on social media at Piecing pod and join our facebook group, popcorn and puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all the movies we talk about here on the show as well as everything else happening in the world of movies right now, so popcorn puzzle pieces go join the group. We'd love to have you there. So you know I think without any further ado? Let's get into this conversation because we get into a lot of great inspirations in the movies, it inspired brandon as well as movies that we talked about on the main episode, and just talking about filmmaking general to great talk, so let's get into it. All right so joining me today we are going to be talking about the film Z with the film's ready Director Brandon Christianson Brandon. How's it going? Man I'm doing good. How are you all right I? I have been so super busy with just recording these podcasts and just everything that's been going on. How have you been doing? You seem to be on a little bit of a roll wind with this movie and getting out there doing lots of present stuff. Yeah, it was Kinda weird came out at such a strange time for the world, so I think Beneficial for the film, because a lot of people were kind of stuck at home, and they had nothing to do so I think when new stuff comes out there, you know there eagerly gobbling it up and so I think you know like we saw early numbers of how the film did on shutter and you know they were. They were really good was super happy with it. and just sort of the IT feels like it. You know it it. It it was a fairly sizable released. Just compared to you know the last time I did where it came, and it sort of had this. It had a longer period of time where people were discovering it, whereas this was kind of like hyperfocused right at the top, so it felt like a you know like a pretty serious release, which was which was fun to watch, but yeah I mean other than that i. it's everything's been so strange I mean. I've got three kids and stuff so there's never a shortage of things to do. It's just It's just trying to try and be creative or whatever, during this time, because it's just totally just sap your energy. And speaking of which you know before we start getting into Z., you've been. You posted the short films and stuff right Yeah, so You know the first month or so of the pandemic. I guess you would call it. I spent a Lotta time just sitting and reading, and just like you know sort of wallowing in that in that that feeling of despair that everyone's kind of going through where you don't really have any answers and you're Kinda just searching for. And then after about a month where it seemed like okay, this is gonNA continue to go. I was like. How can I take advantage of this time? Because I think the worst thing would be as know three months later two months later. Even you come out of it and you go like I didn't accomplish anything. You know like I stopped eating good. I stopped doing any sort of exercise. Because just sort of everything was sort of shaken so I like I need to do something and I I had these This little script called scaredy cats for that I wrote for my kids I wanted to do last year, and I just never got around to it and just like you know what I've got the gear. I've got the kids here. We're kind of locked in. Let's you know we should give this a shot. And so I. Just started shooting one night and realize quickly like okay. These kids aren't actors GonNa. Take some time and so every night for like thirty to forty minutes we would just shoot a shot or to just try and. And work through it, and then eventually you know I'd be cutting it as I go and finally. I got it to a bar I was like okay. This is enough and let's let's put it out there. And then that led to another one and I've got other ones I WANNA do, but I'm just sort of waiting to see what else I've got a few things happening. For sure, yeah, no, it's been a very productive time for myself as well. It's like yeah, you're either GONNA sit around and do nothing, or you're going to make the most of it right. I mean like animal crossing is You know swept the entire world. It seems like everybody's got. That going on and I I imagine a lot of people come out of this with a really Nice village that they created, but I. Don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing. It's funny that you brought up animal crossing already because I was debating whether or not to bring up what you've been playing on. Nintendo lately 'cause. I always see you on there whenever I. Turned mine on so. I. Don't I put a lot of animal crossing at the top, but my kids? They play it too so they're playing most of the time if you see me on their. They play a lot more than I do. Yeah. So I got a couple quick questions. And then we'll get into some of these puzzle pieces that we talked about on the original Z episode of piecing together, but I two questions that I was wanting to talk to you about first of all I mean horror I just wanted to see is like you've really kind of carved a path out in horror so far with your career and I'm just wondering is that. Is that a Gina. That really was something you were looking to get into right from the get go, or is it something you just kinda ended up in, and now you're just rolling. Are you big on horror as far as as a fan of it. Yeah, for sure I mean. I grew up. You know always watching horror films I mean the one childhood memory that stands out the most was my parents. Allow me to watch it. Stephen King Mini series back in ninety one and I was six at the time, or maybe I was five, not quite six, but You know that that show just like haunted me for years, and so my entire childhood until tell us in the eighth grade was just sort of plagued by this this recurring nightmare of pennywise living in my brother, and my closet so is just. Just like there was always this sort of layer of fear underneath everything for me, and that would always on Halloween every year as a family, we watch a horror movie and stuff like that, and so as always just something that was. It's not like I was like a crazy about it, but it was always present. You know and There's just that feeling that visceral feeling of being scared that I. Think is so much fun, and so you know when I started doing short films like ten eleven years ago and I. You know I definitely leaned into horror that, too, because I think especially in the short film world. You know horrors can often be so gag based and short films are also the same thing because he just sort of have this one idea like you think about lights out, which is like the perfect or short films. It's so short it has this one gag that works perfectly and has a good payoff, so it's just like it's fun to just sort of these little ideas and make it a little cinematic package around it. And just you know to try and sort of practise and figure out your craft, so when I was when I was looking to do a feature, it always seemed right to do horror for me and I. Don't know if that's where all continue to be forever. But you know the the horror community as a whole is is super, inviting and super nice to be around and stuff like that. It's I. I think there's a lot more like John. Rebuffs and other things, drama films and comedy snobs that are just like Oh. That's not funny, and it's so subjective whereas with horror I think you know it's most of the time. anyways, it's either scarier. It's not and Even if it's not, you can appreciate sort of the artistry there. That's why a lot of the makeup effects from like the thing or Or something like that They hold up so well because there's so much passion, put into it and so Yeah, I mean I. I don't know it's it's. It's just one of those things that I was always around I. Might You know my dad was a big Stephen King reader? So we all the books? I've read a lot of the books, and it's just sort of. It's just something. I I I just liked the idea of telling scary story that also has a good dramatic and emotional weight to it. Yes, and that's of one of the things that I try and do anyways. Yeah, no, for sure I. I like that about the the passion that a lot of people in horror seemed to have for their craft, and that's that's the thing that stands out the most about the genres. The people who are doing it. They love it, and they are the fans themselves. I think that's great. The other thing I wanted to ask you before we jump into some puzzle pieces here is. You know we're obviously both Vegas people and coming up as a filmmaker here in Vegas I'm just wondering if you could maybe talk for a minute about that, and you know obviously, there's not a lot of filmmakers that have come out of Vegas and made A. Big Splash, but you know your film films getting a lot of attention right now. How how is it been a good thing? Bad thing coming from Vegas and Working working around what Las Vegas is as far as a film city I've been here about twelve years now and It's like the first film I ever worked on. Was it stands read which I produce Moore Call Manhattan Stewart Ortiz and It's it's kind of A. It's a weird situation. Vegas is Kinda, just like this is a place in the middle of nowhere on that nobody really thinks about being a film town I mean we're pretty close to la, which is cool and so you can get there if you need to. But you know there is sort of this community of filmmakers here like you've got your Kelly Schwartz's. Schwartz's in your your mic Mahal and and Sunny Mahal that have their their. You know endless movies coming out and everything like that, so it's there is like a community here and it's. It's sort of small, but there there it is very tight knit, and so I mean what. I wasn't really into films until you know the last five years or so, but before that. That I was doing commercials, and I was working with a lot of kids from UNLV and stuff like that, and and the talent coming out of there was just you know it was pretty great like there's a lot of talent a lot of them unfortunately do move to to L. A. After. You know year, too. Because I mean, that's generally where the film you know if you WANNA work. Work in film that's that's a good place to be, but you know. I've got a family I've got kids. I've got I've got a mortgage all this stuff, so I've kind of just tried to carve out my own little thing where I can work from Vegas and and and the two movies directed. They've both been shot in Canada where I'm from right, so it's just kinda like. I'm able to do a lot of work here still and then I've got a film that I I'm trying to shoot this fall and I'm GonNa Shoot in Vegas, which is going to be an interesting experience, but it's it's just sort of it's. It's a nice place to live. It's it's kind of like a sneaky place. 'cause there's a huge community, not just film people, but video people and stuff like that because of the events and all that stuff and one thing. People don't really realize that the the cost of living in Vegas is so low when compared to somewhere like California this. This there's no state tax the rates for things like that, because it is a lot of business coming through there still very high, so you can make a very very comfortable living just like being a camera operator or something like that in that corporate space, and you know that's how I kind of started was just getting Gig work through that stuff and just sort of getting comfortable before. I was able to say you know what I'm going to take a risk and I'm going to jump into this project and spend the next three months. Make any money so I can make a film so I think you know. Vegas is pretty unique for that. Where there is a ton of people especially in the commercial corporate world where they you know, they all love to do this stuff and they they make a good living doing it. you know I'd love to see more film. People stay here and and do stuff, but I you know when you look at things like tax credits and stuff like that. It doesn't really make a ton of sense a lot of time I mean that's why we went to candidate for stillborn because we had a low budget that we could take. Take advantage of tax incentives where we couldn't hear like even the one I'm doing now like the budget's going to be far lower than the threshold that Nevada has so You know I think there's a lot of good people here I'm friends with a lot of them, and it's just you know it's nice to see sort of the growth of filmmakers as they continue to make stuff. Yeah, for sure, it's always great. You know when something comes out of Las Vegas or out of somebody like yourself. Even though it wasn't shot here, somebody who is a part of this community, it's great to see. So. Let's get into some of these movies that we talked about on the episode. So these are things that we thought maybe might have had some bit of inspiration for you in coming up with Z and I'm not going to go through all of them, but I'm going to pick out a few and get your thoughts on them, and then we'll see if there's any major ones that maybe we missed on the episode, so I won the guests for the episode was film critic Josh Bell Right for the weekly in for the is awesome. Move Your podcast and all that and he mentioned Ari Astor and hereditary. Which I thought was A. Wonderful thing to say a nice compliment for you. Yeah, yeah, that was nice of him Are is you know another stratosphere from from me and he's. Justifiably, so he's he's incredibly talented, and he's a great writer and everything, so it's You know it's cool to just anytime that someone can bring that up but I do definitely think hereditary was you know it's not really a full inspiration? Because that movie hadn't come out yet? When the scripted started and so but I mean a lot of the things like I, did use it as a reference for Keegan Connor Tracy when I was just like. One of the big things from the top was. Hey, don't be afraid to be ugly, you know. And then you pull up this frame of Toni Collette just like terrified, and it's not an attractive photo of her. You know, but is so iconic because it's just like so real and visceral. I was just like this is what you need you need to just like. Don't worry about your looks like whatever you know. People are ugly when they're dealing stuff. And so. That was definitely something I was on. I was like you have to watch this movie because it handles family trauma really well like you know that. That the whole the first act break when when when whatever happens to Charlie happens and the reaction immediately after You know that's that's the. That's the best filmmaking I think he's done. And then he kinda followed it up with midsummer. The the opening of that film is also just it's very similar thing, and it's incredibly haunting, and just like it's so stylistically done, but still true to the emotion that he's trying to do and so i. think that you know I think he's like top of the. Top of the line grief filmmaker. For sure. So another one keeping in line with that is the Baba Duke. Yeah, this is one that I had seen and I enjoyed and. It was never really an inspiration and I didn't really think about it. Until after people start watching and being like. Oh, it's another Bobby Duke and I was just like. Oh you know I guess you know. It is very similar how it has a lot of stuff like dealing with grief and dealing with. The depression and sort of. The the monster itself kind of metaphor for something else it. You know it does definitely share some similarities when I will say that. When we were kind of trying to come up with the creature designed for Z, there were conversations like okay the Bobby. Duke is super iconic has the hat it has the silhouette that you can identify the artwork and stuff you know what it. It is when you see it because it's so unique How do we do something like that? And the problem is like I'm not a great artist, and we have no money to hire great artists, so it ends up, just you you? You can't really go with that really theatrical approach where it has this these flourishes in in these things you give it identities in other ways like. Like two percent milk, perhaps and So. Like beyond sort of monster design ideas It wasn't ever talked about too much, but I will say like when when you're when you're writing a script for an eight year old. You do worry that you're gonNA have the Baba Duke Child actor performance, you know. Because I mean as great as that movie is. That kid is incredibly annoying and so you know I think a lot of people are put off by that because he's always screaming and you know it's gets kid actors. They're they're terribly. They're very hard to work with so when writing dialogue and stuff like that, it was very much about keeping it simple and keeping it smaller, and you want to mitigate as many chances for. For something to not land because of a performance and we got super lucky. Because jet was able to do it all like there's no, there's nothing in the film that I kinda cringe through right Gullick crap. It's kid actor and you know that goes all the way to just him. Being on set like he was never just a kid actor was always just jet the actor because he's very Polish. He's been in a million things. So it was, we got super fortunate with him. But that you know it's always the fear I mean. If we knew ahead of time. That jet was the kid you probably would have had a lot more. You know. The six cents type lines in there. Just give him give him the opportunity, so but when you're going, you're just like okay, we're. We're on a path. We have to follow it. is a challenge like that something you enjoy and look forward to now I mean. It's terrifying, because I mean when you're doing an Indian, you're doing a small budget film. You're trying to keep the amount of fail points to a minimum. You don't want to. You're not gonNA write a film like all like Z., and then all of a sudden you jump to Air Force. One and there's like guys guns. You're just like you just don't do that because you don't have the budget of the time or anything like that. You have to keep things very small so you can have your little set piece opportunities like going to play an indoor play place, or you can go to a train yard. So, you have these moments, but yeah, you're. You're definitely just trying to limit the amount of headaches that could exist and that all started from when we worked on, it stands read We were shooting like an hour to two hours outside of the city every day. So you wake up extra early. You drive for an hour to two hours every day, so you can get to your location, and then you. You're shooting for however long you can till the sun goes down. Down and then you have to drive an hour to two hours back, and then the cycle repeats, and so when we went into stillborn, it was like how do we do the opposite of that? Let's do it in a house where we don't have to drive anywhere. It's just like you know it's very comfortable and so yeah. You're definitely aiming for a more comfortable shoot, and so you know adding things like a kid and stuff like that is is a risk that. Is Terrifying to get into and it's. It's just one of those things that you just have to deal with. So we again just got super lucky with jet because he was, he was never really a problem well speaking of kids the. the definitely. That was a big big thought for me I mean with stillborn. We had just come out of the parent like the newborn phase with our second son, and so after that had released, I remember. I was in overlook I was sort of just like walking around the hotel and the the film festival overlooked. And I was just sort of walking around the hotel. And just like what can I do next? That's what everybody asks. When you release something it's it's not like. Hey, let's talk about this. That's what he got next. It's. Just been to two years of my life to get you this, and now it's you want something else. So you know I I'm just like walking around and I wanted I I started to think of the Omen I'm just like okay well. I'm coming up to those years. I've got a five or six year old, and it's what in that age range is something that I can? Draw from from my own experiences as a parent and It wasn't until a little bit later that the the idea of an imaginary friend came out from conversations with my wife, but it was definitely Kinda like okay, creepy kid, the omb in how do we? How do we do something Kinda new on that, and that was definitely like the beginning of z for sure sure absolutely. Will I'm sure get into more creepy kids as we're continuing to talk here, but I'm going to jump around a little bit and. We could have brought up I think you know a few different. Modern horror series. The one that I brought up on the episode was the insidious franchise. I was wondering what you thought about that as far as inspiration, I, thought maybe a little in creature design stuff like that I think I like the insidious movies I like the first two I think than taking that franchise a little too far, but the first one I remember being incredibly scared of I i. think you know that was kind of I feel like James Wan really coming out and being. Being like hey, everybody I, make some super scary. Stuff is dead. Silence was fun and saw was great, but it didn't have that. Just sort of related ability for just like a general audience like insidious did and and I think just marketing and the score and everything on that was this. It's very it was Kinda unique for the time and it just added to this like this movie is GonNa make crap, your pants and I think I don't know I mean I. I will say there's one. Scare in this film that a lot of people do draw comparisons to later in the film. It's in the trailer, but that that is definitely an insidious type of move because that's Kinda like brought up as one of the best jump scares, ever is the plane you know middle of the day out of nowhere just like horrifying image behind someone. It's hard to escape that when you write something like that in the film. It's like there's only so many ways you can do that because you I mean when you're working with perspectives like you've got to characters talking from one another. You're only seeing what they see so. So inevitably. If you have someone behind them, it's GonNa. Draw that comparison, and it's not a bad comparison to make because you know. It's definitely something that we talked about as well, but that movie you know it. It's creepy kid film as well I mean. The kid is sick for most of the film, so it's not like us on the forefront of it, but yeah I. I think I think actually both still more an end enzi are both kind of influence from that film. Following Rose Byrne's character and just sort of the mom. That's dealing with so much. I think that really that's definitely influencing these films for sure. Yeah, well, I'm going to just go with one more I. Think we'll get into anything that. Maybe we missed on the episode, but you know it's kind of inevitable with the imaginary friend to bring up drop dead. Fred that's I don't honestly think I've seen it if I have it's been forever that I. Don't remember any of it i. I don't know if you know the podcast. How did this get made sure? I like Paul Scheer and yeah, they did an episode about that, and it was kind of one of their classic ones, because the the host like June and Paul and Jason they they didn't agree about what it meant. And what it was, and so it's really funny to listen like it's It's just listen to them, Discuss it, and and inevitably when you have an imaginary friend movie, I guess that sort of the touchstone one that everyone kind of thinks of 'cause. There's another film that came out shortly before Z. called. Daniel isn't real and. It had the same comparisons and I know Adam the director and he's definitely dealt with the same question. A million times like how much is. How much is you know how much of this was influenced by drop dead Fred and it's it's like. I? Don't think anyone thinks about that i. just think it's kind of like the hot like the the group mind like when you go on Reddit or something like that, and like the top comment is always usually your first thought, because it's just very obvious, it's always the obvious I I thought that you have and so it gets there and he's got Oh. Wow, I thought of that. And you know it's just sort of perpetuates itself. So I think you know when when Adam went into that script I. Don't think he was thinking about drop dead spread, but ultimately because it. Fred is kind of the one. Everybody thinks they're going to ask that. Yeah, there I mean it's. That I that I get compared to that. I'm like Oh. Wow. I didn't even think of that. Like apparently paranormal activity three has a very similar plot line to and I've seen that movie so maybe subconsciously I knew but I like what I've asked. People I'm like what are you? What are you talking about? which I have no idea so. That's. That's one that I guess. We were influenced by just by. Doing the imaginary friend, but it definitely wasn't on purpose. Sure Yeah, and To be honest I don't even remember the movie sure. I saw it back in high school. And you know it's just it has to come. But, yes, so that paranormal activity three I. don't recall the plot of that one, but Maybe, but I guess. Let's move onto any any movies. That were a major influence for you that. Maybe we didn't bring up on the episode. Yeah, I can't remember if he brought these two but these were ones that the first draft of the script my wife and I wrote, and then calm in a hand, joined after the first draft, and we kind of reshaped a lot of stuff in the whole third act was. was born there, but two of the films that we were referencing actually there's. One was orphan with You Know Peter SARS guard tour That's that's it like it has very similar. Some very similar story beats in it to see It has sort of like the drive home. When something bad is happening, you know that was definitely heavily influenced by that with Peter Stars Guard I won't spoil that movie, but he's at home alone with the orphan girl and the mom knows something's up and she's trying to tear home, and you know there's as much higher budget version because they have a full highway chase stuff happening, whereas we have me and one of the producers with the camera driving on the streets of Calgary alone after production. But that was definitely one i. just the whole idea of bringing you know something being brought home. Jerry or an orphan child that you adopt and it just sort of terrorizing everything and just sort of revealing different secrets in the family that have been kinda bottled up like There's our hall issues. There's infidelity in that film and and they would have probably been okay. Had that orphan not come in, so it's kind of that. Sh-. It's like the House of cards. Everything looks pretty, but then. then. You add this one card that causes the whole thing to collapse, and it's fun to watch that So that was definitely one one that we wasn't really as inspirational from any real sense, but we did watch it a bunch of times just to sort of to see how kids could act together, and it was the good son with Elijah Wood and MacAulay. Culkin's sure that movie holds up very well. It's it's. It's crazy to watch I. Don't know if you've seen it recently. It's really funny because Reading Comic Sans and it's and it's you know if you know the movie, it's A. It's a very dark movie. Yeah, but the music like when you listen to the score at the beginning and the end of the film, it feels like a Disney coming of age film, and then it has Comic Sans and you're just like this tonal opposite thing that's happening and it's just very strange, but in between those those it's it's a really great movie, and it's I I. Don't know. Know if it's on, but it was when we were doing this. And just watching how the kids sort of acted, and how natural with her so good, it's crazy to have a film of that scale be anchored by two kids that were like ten and twelve I think they were at the time but they totally I mean there's like one bad line by MacAulay that stands out a lot, but other than that like those two guys they they crushed it, and then the third one was the ring which I'm a huge fan of just the idea of. You can definitely see I did you guys bring up the ring when you did it, you know. And that's like like when I brought up insidious, for example that's like another one of the modern horror franchises. That I could picture being an inspiration on this movie definitely. I kind of feel like the ring inspired a lot over the last twenty years of horror movies totally I feel I mean that's script and just the movie itself is such a great just like beat to be like that I seven minutes the opening with the two girls and the phone call, and all that stuff like it's you could take that away from the film, and it could be a short film that stands up by itself. That's really good and then you know just as far as cold opens. Go I think that's probably the best one ever and I've I've read the script and it's you know it's. It's all there on the page. It's perfect and so you. You know, and then you immediately are introduced to the characters and follow and stuff like that, but you have all this information already that you don't need to really do a bunch of exposition on later, because you pretty much understand the rules sure, but that film has a bunch of stuff like the young girl in the film, and she has interview tapes like we definitely were inspired by that. When we did our interview with a little girl that we had her wearing a long white Pajama set thing. Her hair is dark and long, and just like the creepy girl thing. was definitely kind of you know mosh to that like we called her. You know it was the. The ring scene was basically her sitting in that room and then just like just the whole thing about the investigation side I think I, it's the box of plot is very standard horror movie trope these days I mean even something like hereditary. Has it where the character needs to get a bunch of exposition and she can't get it naturally, so she finds a box and it has the answers that she's looking for so we have. We have it less so in stillborn had it for sure it's a legit box. And then this movie had a box that she finds videotape in which is the plot that sends the story forward and stuff like that, but that that. That whole idea of just like finding videotape, watching the video tape and seeing that's totally you know. The ring did that so well with the lighthouse on the edge of the screen, and like oh I've gotta go there. And then you cut to the big sweeping shot of driving to the lighthouse like stuff like that was was was influential, and it's just my wife and I watched that a lot during the time to just kind of break it down as a film and Beg okay. So what's happening here? What's happening here? And then just to sort of get a feel for the the ebb and flow of that story because to me, I feel like that's like the perfect. horror film and it's not even that scary, which is funny, but like you think of it as being super scary I remember seeing in theater and at the end when the the the TV snow happens I I would just like terrified by it and the anytime you see that TV snow. You have that moment of pause, but when you watch it, it's very much just like a a family drama, and it's like it's very, you know. The music is very orchestral, and it swells, and it's beautiful but there are these punctuating moments in the film where it is just like. Like straight up horror, and those are the moments that kind of stick with you, but when you watch the film, they're not really the biggest pieces of the film at all. It's just the story is great. It's just it's got a ton of intrigue. The I think I think that's where I connect the most with a horror movie is it is more of like you know some kind of a family story, or there's something else going on other than. Let's just scare the audience writing that's for sure and I think that's why slasher movies and stuff. They're Super Fun, but Maybe on a commercial scale, they don't scale up as well as something like the conjuring where that can make a ton of money in theaters, because everyone most know a lot more people can relate to this idea of being home, and being not safe, whereas a masked killer is fun, and it's scary, but it doesn't have that like instinctual fear that you feel like a paranormal activity was such a great example of film that just like. It, just like perverted the idea of being home alone and feeling safe like all of a sudden. You're not safe in your own home and. It's you know it's just this. There's just a feeling of being uncomfortable in the safest place you can be and that's that's. That's a lot of fun I think is an audience to live through, because everybody has those thoughts you know when they're home alone, they they're scared of the dark. They're scared of whatever and there's a reason for that. It's it's just because you just kind of get anxiety about being. To comfortable I think sure well, you know I wanted to ask you one other thing about the film itself you. You mentioned earlier. I believe you said that when Colin came onto the script is that when the kind of the major shift in the third act kind of came in the idea? And where where did that idea? Come from to like have such a big shift in the story at that point, the yeah, the first draft of the film I would like. Like the ending ending was the whole thing at the house where the husband dies, and on the wall and Blah Blah Blah and then sort of just like a brief aftermath of that, and it was kind of sloppy and lazy and it and it was a first draft, so it's always kind of just like you're figuring it out, but it was never intended to go any further than that and so call, and when when he was when he came on. I mean a couple of the biggest changes he made where we had two kids in it initially like they had the older brother, the younger brother, and that was because I had two kids, and so I was really kind of doing that and so we dropped the one kid which makes sense, and would have been impossible to have like a one or two year old, but that. That was one and then the biggest conversation that we had, and this was the hardest thing to crack for. The whole thing was just like ultimately i. mean we knew you know Beth having the imaginary friend? When she was a kid wanting her back, that was always kind of the original idea that we had but the question of why was the big thing and it was just like? You know in my draft is kind of like. Just because there was a whole thing with her dad that it touched on, but it wasn't exactly the same, and there was no just like there was, there was the answer of how it came to be kind of thing like with the dad, dying and Blah Blah Blah, but there was no like what disease ultimately want, and that was the big thing that we'd have like. We were just like constantly talking and just having these brainstorming sessions and coming up the dumbest ideas. And eventually just those conversations led down the path would if? The wins and what if you know? She has to move in with him? And she asked to pretend because when she was a little girl she made a promise that they would get married and have babies, and so we were just like okay. That's interesting and we went down. This idea of like okay. Well. What if you know the film kind of starts where you're in best point of view and you're watching you know her kid and you don't see what her kids interacting with. And then all of a sudden it shifts to the opposite of that. That were Beth's acting like a little kid, and we are almost like the parent and we don't get to see what she's interacting with, and so it came up, you know it ended up leading us down a rabbit hole of these kind of interesting scenes like her giving breakfast to someone that's not there and how you know just like filming that, and there's a scene that's deleted where she's where she's standing in the doorway, like Z. is watching TV and it's a very abused housewife situation where she's just scared of him and he's given a ton of. Of Power in the frame, but there's no one there, so it's like you're shooting a big. You know a recliner and it's filling the frame and she's really small in the background, and you're just like filming nothing, but you're giving it so much power in the frame and you're just. The audience is filling in the gap like just you're like okay. He's there. He's turned away from her, so he's clearly pissed off. He's just watching TV because he's clearly pissed off and she's just very scared of him. and seems like that were just like you're shooting scene. Scene that if there was another actor, it wouldn't really be that interesting, but when you take out the actor and you still film of the same way to me, it became very kind of interesting and fun as the filmmaker because like you still do the same thing where we have coverage of Z in the chair when they're having breakfast and everyone's like okay quiet everybody, we're filming. You know and you roll on the camera. There's nothing there and you just filming nothing and it's just really funny, and it was really fun to kind of play around with that. That's great. I love the. I think that kind of covers it. We got new a lot of inspirations and all that stuff you know got to ask you those questions. You know one of the thing I was. I was bringing up the page earlier. just so I could kind of take a look, and I googled Z., and on the right side of the Google results was Jay Z.. American rapper and on the left side was e on IMDB. Your movie and That's that's a pretty cool thing. I think I do wonder how much of that is algorithms playing with your. You know I'm not sure I mean I, when it first came out our when the trailer first came out I, checked output Z. in Youtube and the trailer would be near the top and the people like I. Don't know that could just be because you've searched it a lot, and it's in your. You know your your browser history, and so I was like okay, and so I got a VPN and I started putting in different countries. And like on half of them have still near the top, so I was like I. Don't know. Maybe it would be cool because That's one thing that you see all the time. Is that naming a film is? Still important like you WANNA get higher up in the alphabet, because the higher up that I era that you're going to be in alphabetical list, and so you'll see a lot of films. Local filmmakers I know of they definitely lean up to the as you know like. I remember the Mahal brothers. They did party bus to hell. And then when the movie came out, it was changed to bus party to hell. Because you know because the the alphabet, and so this was definitely like putting my finger up at that idea it'd be like let's go to the bottom. Let's go z one letter impossible to Google. And see what happens, and it actually seems to work out. Okay, but it is funny. The day that the trailer came out shutter wrote us there like we need a different title and is like well one. It's too late like where we can do whatever and so if you look on Youtube, there's it's Kinda split half. There's some of the trailers are called. Z wants to play, and some of them are just called Z because they put out a press release end the trailer the same day, and the trailer that they put out with Z. wants to play and the press release. They changed last-second to. To just say Z so there was like this confusion, and I was just very interested to see what happened because when I put. Z. Wants to play. It was everywhere and it was real easy to buy when you do Z.. It's Kinda mix so I was kind of happy to see in the end. They just ended up going. You know what screw it and it's stuck at Z. and it had it did well, so it's that was nice, but I'm definitely not a stranger to making films that are impossible to Google because stillborn with the slash, which seemed like an idea at the time terrible. It you. Can't you know when you find stuff on Google? When you put up stillborn, it's there, so it's. It's definitely hard to find stuff about that. Film and Z. is thankfully doing a little bit better than that. Nice Nice so whatever I have somebody on the show. I always liked to end it by asking them. If there's another movie recently, they'd like to maybe recommend to our listeners a movie that I watch recently. It's not terribly new, but it was very inspirational for kind of what I'm trying to do. Next was green room Anton Yeltsin and Patrick. Stewart and everything that I. Have you seen Green Room fantastic? Yeah, super good. I'm way behind on that and blue ruin, but I watched it in the last few months and I've never been as anxious watching film. I was watching that film just like the edge of your seat but clinched thing for basically the entire runtime of the film. Because you know where it's going to go, you don't know how it's going to get there, but you understand that the whole idea of being stuck in a small space where everybody wants to kill you. And just like Oh, man, ever just watching the entire thing. It was just such a weird experience. it's just oh, man, just straight up terrifying 'cause it's not ghosts, not demons. It's just a realistic situation, and it's asking you the whole time to sort of wonder for yourself. Like what would you do in this situation? And there's no good answers at all to that it's it's bad. No matter how you look at it that and don't breathe with another one. It's not a new film again, but I was late on that bandwagon as well and I. Have you seen? Don't breath. I have I I actually I think I, bring that up way too often as a puzzle piece on this really. Good, though it's it's, it's so simple. It's a you know basically one location thing, but the cinematography, and just the presence of the house, and how well you know what because I, mean right off the bat in that movie it does great one or where it Kinda takes you through the entire where the entire movie is GonNa take place as they're doing their home invasion, and so you really get a good sense of space in that in in. In that house, which is so important when you're doing these films, because you want the audience to sort of know where the nooks and crannies were either, they can be safe safer. They can be in danger, and so and then when you open up the basement and everything changes It's such an interesting thing because it's like you know, it's such a small idea like Oh, we go in the basement and that's such a small thing but when? When the basement has all this mystery in it and it changes so much of the story That was really fun to watch. Because the story is so tiny, it's this one. It's very similar to green room where it's very experiential thing. You're in a situation that you got yourself into, and now you're in a bad situation that you need to get out of, but there's no real good answer of how to do it and you know the characters. Characters, make choices that for the most part makes sense, so there's never that you never been taken out of it. Be By doing that whole like why. No, don't go in there. You know you're you're tour. It's just a bad situation and just the the filmmaking. It's just incredibly tends to so that was a ton of fun as well. I don't know why I don't have anything new. Probably nothing new has come out in the last three months. It's been a little difficult. Yeah, there. There's been some stuff, but it's it's hard to find. You just gotTa. You gotTa keep your. Eyes Open and look for it, but I love those to those two recommendations. They kind of paint a little picture of where you're at right now with whatever. I guess. Being stuck in a small space and just trying to out and hoping that there is a solution. That sounds that sounds about accurate for sure. We'll brandon. Thanks so much for doing this great time talking to you in a wish, you absolutely have more success. I'm really happy to see that people are connected with the film. Thanks, that's great. I'm glad we got to do I apologize about last week. I got I got the Kovic test on Sunday and Google knows, and it's a whole nightmare on itself like total room recall. Thoughtful I'll I'll wear the mask for the next five years to not have to subject myself to. No Fun, no fun. Hello welcome to the all points West podcast network this queue. June is going to be huge for us. We're starting the month off with the launch of House on fire, a podcast hosted by youth climate activists Mahia and Gaby Rodriguez and presented in partnership with the Cleo Institute and Unicorn Fire Radio. 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Southland Tales (Featuring Joe Black)
"All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show. This is gonNA. Be a tough one to figure out what inspired this. Because we are doing missing pieces episode, going back to two thousand six's southland tales from Richard Kelly this. What inspired this. Boy We have got quite the conversation in store for you guys. Returning to the show is filmmaker. Joe Black. Who He picked this one and he has a lot to say about it and yeah. We get into a lot with this one I. It's it's a fun so before we get into the conversation I wanNA remind you as always make sure. Subscribe to piecing it together and your podcast. App of choice you can rate and. And Review us on Apple podcasts or Pod Chaser, and follow us on social media at Piecing Pod, and of course join our facebook group, popcorn and puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all these movies, and I'm sure there will be plenty of conversations over the years forever about Southland Tales, because this is the movie that kind of keeps on giving it away. Anyway lead skit into this conversation. 'cause like I said I. It's a long one and we have a lot to say about this movie. All right so back on the show with us. Today are going to finally get Joe, black and one of these missing pieces episodes, Joe. How's it man doing very well very busy, but very well. How about your? yeah I. I'm busy, too. We are we if nothing else. We are keeping busy during these crazy times, aren't we? I'm busier than ever in an way. It really feels that way sometimes. But yeah. We've been talking about doing this one. Since I first started the missing pieces series, and when I put the idea out there into the popcorn and puzzle pieces, group, and just messaging people who had been on the show in the past. You suggested Southland Tales, and somehow I had never seen this movie. I am really happy. I now can say if nothing else. I have seen this. That's fair. Yeah, I I. I'm a huge Fan of this movie. I saw it when it came out I was working at blockbuster at the time, and got these graphic novels in advance for this thing called southland tales and I didn't know that I just thought we were getting graphic novels and now. And then. A week later, the DVD showed up and I was like what is this? Is You know and nobody seemed to Gel with at the way that I did and even online like. Like I it's hard to find like videos about the movie Internet. Or like you know, think pieces about the movie. So when you when you were saying you were doing this like all men, what I would give hero podcast on southland tales sure. Well before we get into puzzle pieces, and all that stuff I do think. After watching this movie, it's a lot and I was kind of telling you before we started recording. I do wish I had seen it multiple times I especially wish I saw back then. This came out two thousand and six I believe. and. I feel like this is the kind of crazy. That I would absolutely connected with when it came out in two thousand six. I would have been like Whoa. This is awesome, you know. Watching it now I was I. don't know a little exhausted washing. It has a lot to take in is. There's just so much going on and. That being said like like already said. I'm really happy. I finally got to see this thing and I think we're just GONNA have so much to talk about I think this is going to be a fun conversation. You know there's going to be so many things to discuss during this movie I think we might as well just get into some puzzle pieces and we'll talk about all the things along the way. We'll start off. Of course with are going backwards. Wha, what movies may have inspired Southland Tales? What do you have your first piece? Okay, I wanted to kind of ease us into the idea of what the movie is about. You know what I mean. The my first puzzle piece was a Robocop two. Okay not the first one, the second one, specifically about like a drug epidemic, changing the consciousness of society dirt in Dystopia. What I mean Southland Tales is was set. It's weird. It wasn't even quite set in the future future was set like you know two year two years in the future at the time that it was made, but it's a totally radically different future with different outcomes to everything, and there's a new fuel source being built a hydrogen fuel source, called Liquid Karma, but none buell sorts can also be extracted and turned into a drug, which is getting like a it's basically. The drug is being used by the government to oppress. Down basically to keep them oppressed, you know, it how their fight The government's winning on both ends in the movie and like robocop to. which I thought was I actually think that movie gets a bad rap. I think that the first Robocop is brilliant, but the second one I think is. In its own way, just as brilliant net. It is about how how narcotics in general are used as a propaganda tool by the government of something that needs to be stopped, but simultaneously used by the government is something to keep people suppressed short ver very very key important thing to talk about this this particular week. Oh, absolutely, well, what do you know? South Lantau an robocop two ahead of their time, but. But even more than just like specifically, the drug influence I also think that what both. Off The all the Robo cops, but also southland tales do very brilliantly. Is They managed? These films are satire Hsun I mean but satire doesn't necessarily mean like spoof, or you know what I mean like flat out like silly, but sure I mean some of the, but like that is a way to be to be inviting into what you're trying to express us to be like self aware and to be, and to have a certain levity and sincerity about yourself. You know what I mean where you're not afraid to be kinda silly. like I love the scene in a southland tales when the government is reading the. Their hideout. The the you know, the rebels hideout, and they kill a guy on a toilet. And then they shoot another guy with a shotgun, and he flies into a giant toilet statue in. You know what I mean. That was straight slapstick. Yeah, like that's but like it's still a very powerful and effective moment leading to Sean William Scott passing out on top of the building and landing in a dumpster. Like you know what I mean it's it's. It's very funny. Did you recognize that the guy who gets shot on toilet was Eli Roth? I did I a hundred percent Ed. Yeah I think that was fucking Eli Roth, and went and looked it up. but yeah I I really appreciated the satirical edge that the movie had but I'll get into that in my next puzzle. Okay, so all right well I, the only thing I have to say about robocop two great puzzle piece to kick it off I. Don't really remember the plot tat well I. Think I actually saw that in the theater has really young, and the only thing I remember is doesn't a brain. Get squashed at one point well one. The drug dealer becomes a giant brain I've got chain, and yes, he does. It's yeah, then that brain will that bring gets put inside of the. The ROBOCOP, two and robocop. Smash Jerry. It's pretty yeah. Yeah, that that that memory is in printed on me, I love that moment. That was great. I haven't seen it though since back. Then I got to meet the Director of at once iron, Kirshner, who did he also did? Strike back, and I was doing an internship, and he was teaching us about like movie trailers or something. He's very old time. Had cut together a trailer for footage from Star Trek, the motion picture like make a trailer for it and I did it really fast, and then he and he can look at it, and then at the end I was like. What do you think he goes? He goes to the cuts. Don't feel inspired. And I and I went. Inspire Dude. You made robocop to like I didn't realize that I, but he looked at me and then started laughing, and that's like almost puked I was so nervous. 'cause I love Robocop cop to I was just joking. For Guy. Right. Now. I will go onto my next piece then and. Let's see which kick it off with I. Guess I'll kick it off with a little they live. Let's come up on the show before but I think there's a whole underlying current of these like Lee and this does real world of what they what they know is true, and what they're feeding the public and a lot of a lot of very weird like technology in a lot of. That's going to permeate a lot of my other pieces. Well, the Weird Technology in future ISM and everything going on in the movie. But I think mainly, though with they live. It's just that that idea of the elite knows what's going on. Everyone else is being controlled. Everybody else has You know blinders on as far as what's really happening within the country, and just that whole political satire element of the whole thing, and setting up all this weird Scifi to tell a very of the moment very real story that ends up murdering so much of the real world, even though it feels so crazy as it's playing out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, see I've always had a draw to the movie. They live I never been able to finish it though because I just. I put this. Hate it. I put it I I I think that. First of all I. Mean for anyone listening I have to preface by saying I don't like any John Carpenter movies I know I don't care for his work. that is that isn't to say that. I think his movies are bad. I mean most of them I do. Think are bad but I. Just don't care for his his work. You know what I mean I. Don't know I like the characters in big trouble in little China that's about it. But my problem with live. And this isn't even criticism is that it's just so on the nose. Like it's so on the nose, and it's super on the known. Yeah, but but it also is so like. Clearly making a statement that. I have to question it. It has to be wrong in my opinion like like there's something about it like it's like. No, that's too easy. You know what I mean like. It's I think it's too easy for filmmakers, especially some very successful. Who get blank checks to make their movies like he did at the time murderer. To like say see see what they're doing to you. It's like dude. You are day right? Interesting Adam McKay does the same ship which we talked about with the Greek thing. You know what I mean. Yeah for sure but What I love so much about southland tales is that? I think that. What. What south tells us more about is about how confused. We were all becoming by all of this influence in I mean like it's, it's literally about the chaos that comes from from all these different sources of influence, especially showing how media was shifting more into celebrity. You know what I'm more like this pre Kardashian when he made this movie. And yet you've got you know Kristen. How like yeah like a? Saying you know she's becoming a Paris Hilton influence, or you know she's an influence or before instagram facebook totally. And and the Rock, being the key to like this senator getting elected president like the rock is an actor in who you know. Yeah, it's it's so now right right, and so like I think what I appreciated about southland tales, versus what I don't care for and they live. Is that like again? They live is so direct and so like. Accusatory when when southland tales is more. It's more of a quest. It's more of a you're searching for meaning, and then what it means to you, you know, right? Another thing I you know southbound tells is very confusing. especially the time you watch it. I was wondering. Did you get that? Justin Timberlake? His character for those of you haven't seen the film is. Is a Iraq war vet who sits on top of a gun or on top of the Santa Monica Pier, protecting the the borders of liquid car, the Liquid Karma A reactor that was built right off the Santa Monica Pier Did you get that? He was supposed to be famous actor who was drafted into the Iraq war. No yeah, it's it's E. IT's hard to pick up on the first time, but that's yeah. There's so many little details like. Crazy when I. When I saw it I was like how do not? which this can feed into my next puzzle piece? If you want okay, which was Star Wars? Are because this southland tales. The movie starts with Chapter Four. It's Chattanooga four five and six chapters. One two and three were this graphic novel that he produced beforehand. which explains a lot of the back story to these people and I remember seeing the movie for the first time being like. They're I'm confused and I. Know Everything you know what I mean. Would But yet, Justin Timberlake's character was a famous actor who got drafted into the Iraq war, so he was like a celebrity. You know soldier who then Sean Williams Gotten. He were were buddies. I don't know if you've got this from it. He and Sean William Scott were buddies and Sean William Scott, accidentally set off a grenade that blew up Justin timberlake space. And Holy Shit, I know I shouldn't ruin and that's why he has all the scars on his face. Sure and that's why he's become a drug addict to. and just Shama Liam Scott never forgave himself for it and to the drugs. What they don't explain necessarily in this version of the movie. They explained it a little better in the can cut, but the can cut is not as good as the final cut, because originally for those listening Richard Kelly made a cut of this movie in time for the canned film festival. That was like Oh ten minutes longer. Longer and things are all moved around in different orders like the guy getting his hand cut off is actually the beginning of the can cut your I heard that it's it's longer I thought it was even more than ten minutes longer, but actually explains less. It just throws you in the deep end, even more well, it it actually that see it's different it. It actually explains more, but just it's more confusing. Structure The ETRO cut is better in my opinion, okay. But But. Shama Liam Scott never forgave himself, and so when he takes what they don't explain the cut is that liquid. Karma creates a psychic link between the Red Liquid Karma between you and anyone else using it at the same time, so at the end of the film when Sean William Scott takes the liquid. Karma right. He psychically linked to Justin Timberlake's so when he's in the ice cream truck. If anybody hasn't seen this means listening to this like. Like. What like what the fuck? When they're in the ice cream truck? When Sean William Scott is shaking hands with his with his past self in the ice cream truck, and he's actually talking to Justin Timberlake when he says I forgive you, so he's forgiving him. We'll do himself in a way. Justin Timberlake is forgiving. Him threw himself. Like just I forgive you for what you did. Because Pass Charm Scott's about to blow his brains out. Right. A theory that that's him becoming the Anti Christ. Phnom that like show that Justin, timberlake is so upset by like what's happened to the world and losing his celebrity losing his fame, and now he's nothing but an addict who works for the fucking system, and even what see it collapse that he commits a Sean William, Scott not to kill himself, because if the rock is Christ. At the Rock is Christ at the end when he you know. He holds out his hands on the Zeppelin as at six destroyed. If he's Christ than the Chamois Liam Scott who also went through a time warp has to be the Anti Christ. If we're following book revelation like like like Justin Timberlake's character is. So I think that's actually the creation of. Through forgiveness Jesus Christ. Man Yeah so. Yeah so like Star Wars it's just it's chapters four five and six come first because now Richard Kelly. Has announced that he's GonNa do a prequel movie. That's half live action half animated. Yeah I did have star wars on my list as well. Even as not a Big Star Wars Guy Myself I, noticed the whole four five six thing and then also just filled with so much political stuff you know star wars is known for just tacking into the gills was with political stuff, and that's true, and it's like idiot. It's like four five and six like the original trilogy, but instead it's like he made it like the prequel trilogy, but crammed it all into one movie. Yeah I gotta say as crazy and like all over the place. Is that whole explanation just was the time travel in this movie? Is a little easier to follow than some other movies. Oh, sure sure, yeah, with the brilliant button with Kevin Smith, who also plays an Iraq war vet with no legs and a long wizard beard I just love the way he explains when he when they're explaining to the rock that he went back in time and met his past self. His past self killed himself. I love the Kevin. Smith just streams at him. You travel through time. Sir Like any kind of like Giddy Geek would do you know. For sure, what's the rocks famous line and that scene? How could I kill myself? I'm a pimp and pimps. Don't commit suicide. Pins definitely do not commit suicide. Yeah, that is quite a line That's very memorable. It's better. Cook is in the can cut the only say it once, and it's just kinda like it's weird. Can Cut feels like fan service to the. It, it's very. It's a very odd experience watching that versus the theatrical cut like. I. Pity anybody WHO's only seen the CAM cut. Well I'll go onto another piece. This one is a little bit cheating, because technically I I. I had it on my list, and then I realized Oh shit. It came out the same year. might have even been after I'm not sure, but it is Mike Judge's idiosyncrasy. Another movie where celebrity and politics really blend together and you. You get that that very real very now, a thing of celebrities having so much influence over the the world of politics. And in both of these alternate future realities. Everything is just gotten so dumb and weird and just ridiculous, and then on top of that you also get the corporate influence of the future, which is again very real, real feeling and I feel like that's where we're going. Where everything is sponsored by some corporate brand product placement absolutely everywhere, and you get so much of that entity accuracy, and so much of that in Southland Tales, and if one, if one wasn't influenced by the other, they certainly came from similar head space of where things were going. Hustler Hustler, magazine advertising on the site of a tank in south went. Absolutely. IDIOTIC AC- is another odd one that like, I wanNA love it because I love office space, and even more office, I love extract. And even more than get into extract. I don't know why I give it a chance I can understand that it's weird like that's an odd movie in. It's odd that I like it so much. 'cause infidelity is touchy thing for me and movies like how they handle it. I think though is so honest that there's something. There's something really gripping about it, but I mean nothing he's done in my in. Comes near to how transcendent because in butthead is the best? It's one of my favorite things period as at show, but but idiosyncrasy is another one. Where like the idea felt incomplete to me. One thing that's really interesting to me about a the accuracy is that? Other than the president. There are like no minorities appleby. Interesting. You know what I mean there's there's there's there's you know what I mean there's there's no there no gay characters. There's no. No there are only white characters that movie and then I guess my Rudolf to you know what I mean layer but But. It, I I think I got distracted by that to really be able to get into it to enjoy it because I'm just like. Like he did he not do it because he didn't want to offend people, or is he trying to make a statement by doing that? But it's an interesting observation. I have to assume it was just a poor casting decision. I I WANNA believe that you know there are certain is that I think that are so good that I think that as a filmmaker. You have a responsibility to do them. Justice like I i. that sounds so like self righteous of me. You know what I mean like, but like movies like groundhog day like I really don't care for that film because I feel like they gave the. Whitewash treatment to a really. What could have been a really beautiful and affecting and equally entertaining movie? You know sure an ideology crecy. What I noticed that like that movie gets used a lot by people on the Internet, especially timeout like era. Go toward idiosyncrasy. You know it. Has This little note following? And And that's another thing to me. That like I feel like southland tales does. Its own kind of like subconscious way better that like. You can't really utilize. Southland tells us a weapon to make people like like saying like. Oh, it's just like it's like southland tales predicted. It's like no, it's southbound tells us dealing with something a little more. Complex in within you in your soul. No, it's very soulful film. You know what I mean in in that, it's bringing science, fiction and spirituality together. No so an and again these are criticisms of idiosyncrasy. You know what I mean I. Just I just noticed the way that people receive something like idiosyncrasy and they live versus. Way, the people flat out rejected. They sure did man. You know one thing before we move onto another piece, you're bringing up the sole fullness of the movie and one thing that I. Think would be maybe my biggest criticism of the movie, and maybe we'll see what you have to say about this. I feel like Richard. Kelly believes in what he's making here a hundred percent, and maybe it's because of the weird casting choices getting a lot of Saturday night live people and a lot of action movie people, but I feel like the actors don't know what the fuck. They're doing now surly. Totally saying that they're doing a bad job. Necessarily I, just I don't know that they believe they're in an particularly interesting political satire, or whatever I think that they're just like along for the ride in a way I think that it's actually. The exact opposite, but it's said Saturday night live because it feeds into my next thing which was Saturday night live? Okay. I'll go because so much of this cast is pulled from not just one era of many eras of Saturday night live. You got like Jon Lovett's and you've got shero Terry You've got a. what's her name, Nora. Nora done, you've got You know you have all these different and then you also have like the mad TV. People you have will. Sasso is in this movie. Oh! Yeah, that's right. What Richard Kelly! I think kind of brilliantly did was most of these people a are television celebrities. And Be. They are people who starred in things that were kind of like tongue-in-cheek satire that were taken a sincere. People like Christopher Lambert you know from highlander. He took these people. And he made a very sincere project. You know what I mean like and I think that these actors like share Terry I. Think Share Your Terry's brilliant in the movie or Sean William Scott, who at that point was literally just known as stiffler. You know what I mean, and the Rock who was? A wrestler at the time this is before. He was Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Yeah, it's weird seeing them in this like you forget. Because now he's just like the biggest movie star in the world basically and like he is still the wrestler of the Rock in this right, we'll see what's beautiful to Richard. Kelly. I actually got to so like one time I was in a video store. They still exist here. Here in La and somebody was asking for recommendation and I was just so happened to be standing next to Southland Tales, and I just started going off on. Southland tells speeding like get this movie. Blah Blah like for like five minutes then after like five minutes of me, just like on a soapbox about it. This other dude POPs his head from around the corner. You Timeout Southland, tales and I said. He's like I edited that movie. And why you know so I immediately befriended him. He edited all three of Richard Kelly's films and he said that originally the idea for southland tales which The original idea was it was like rollerbladers? Skateboarders who who were filming escape video and. Accidentally, witnessed assassination, a political assassination, or something like that, and we're gonNA use them blackmail the government or something, and that he watched the whole thing, unfold and become what it was and he's like. I don't even know it is Richard Kelly. As a filmmaker, all three of his films are kind of linked I. don't really care for Donnie Darko. but I love Southland Tales and I love the box because I think it would. He so focused on is like the soul. You. Know what I mean the soul and how technology? Grants access to the soul, and also pulls us away from the soul, and that that push and pull as what attracts him to stories And I think that when you're a comedian when you're Sharyo terrier when you're Dwayne the Rock Johnson is known for. I mean these people are living their life in what they consider to be satire. You know what I mean, and it must be difficult for people to not see the meaning in what you do. like wrestling is another one of my favorite things in the world like I wrestling is like. Right behind jazz. The greatest art form that that America has given the world wrestling entertainment I mean it's so wonderfully theatrical and in this era. Where like you know you've got like you know what everyone you know. Class sizes like Redneck outright white trash standing in a crowd of thousands, cheering on thin ballard, as he wiggled his package in front of you in his leather jacket. With as you know, it makes you stand up and push your hands in the air. You know what I mean like like Rupaul Style and you've got thousands of white trash rednecks doing that with you, I mean. How do you not see the artistry there? How do you not? You know what I mean like bringing it back to the accuracy right well. But, but I mean to say that like these people people like what the Rock was doing. I mean these are these are artists, sure and Southland Tales I think what Richard Kelly was trying to do as he was trying to offer them. A platform where they could. Do, what they do best, which is satire, which is the Atra Calorie, but he allowed them to inject it with sincerity, and I think if any of them falls short, I think it's because they haven't been given that opportunity before, and so there's still a little green at it. You know what I mean at I actually think that Sean William Scott to gives a an award worthy performance in this movie I think he he, he is so. Beautifully realized as both of his characters Donald and Ronald? Of. Like So I think that like. and Saturday night. Live in, you know it now. More than ever is known for how satirical it can be. You know what I mean it it it. It fancies itself as an intellectual property anymore but this was like before all of them I think the Richard Kelly saw that namen he wanted to do something new with them and I think that he got it, you know. I mean it is new. It sure is I. Met Sherri Terry at A. Movie Theater I was working at one time, and I was like porn, her coke, or whatever and she was like as I've got to Affleck and love Southland Tales. She goes. Oh, no, you do not. And I was like no. I really do I I adore she goes. Okay. We'll then you're one of two and I was like who is the other one she's like Marilyn Manson and she walked away. There you go. That makes sense yeah. Yeah That's a good story. I will. Go to another piece. Ed this one. I've already been talking about all the little futuristic details and stuff like that but i. also just thought of demolition man, and just all of the little extra. Technological advances in weird technological things in ideas that are being thrown in, and you know a lot of them feel very real especially when you think two thousand six to now and things that have happened, but then. A lot of them are just totally you know ve kind of a ridiculous version of the future that you know. Where does that come from? It's just like a total kind of a comic book version of the future you know. But. That's always been a movie where I haven't seen in many years, but the thing that always stood out to me was just the inventiveness of like all of the little futuristic ideas in it Yeah, no demolition man one of the one of the TRU. Truly beautiful things about that movie is that it has no consideration for logic or function right, and it's future, and I mean that as a as a as a as a positive like you know the infamous joke of like. He doesn't know how to use the three seashells to wipe his ass. It's like what are you talking about? Like. Neither does the person who made this movie you know what I mean. They don't have any consideration for the functionality of the world that they created, and that is a beautiful thing because it's so consistently stupid. Stupid in the best way in order means you're that you get to like focus on. What's what their intention was? which was to thrill which was exciting. Entertain like I mean I'm sorry, but like we already complained about how expensive it is Dipa criminals in prison, but whenever we came out, it was like three years in the future. Our like cry Oh freezing people in storing them for years. And then. And then implanting them with rehabilitation, things like being able to knit and shit like that. It's like what like. It's. It's fun. It's fun to dream, right. That's actually a beautiful way to put it. That's. My favorite part of that whole movie is when they're fighting in the museum, and they fall into like a little pit from like that's like a preserved section of the earthquake. That Tore Los Angeles apart, and there's like a TV down there, and he takes it. He throws. It was snipes and he goes. You're on TV. L.! Like a great yeah. All right, what do you got I? Find it really interesting that like. Like I didn't even think of any of these, you're talking about and like it makes so much sense, and it also kind of makes even more sense as to why. A people didn't know what to do with this movie when it came out and be people like it's interesting. It's interesting the through line that you're creating here with these with your pieces. It's it's. It's really blowing my mind because these ideas are so clear. And so simple. That everyone has kind of like. embraced them. Every movie you mentioned has a huge following. Right and like and that following is all like they're all the same people like the same people like any art like demolition. They, live speaking in generalities, but that's interesting and yet and yet. Things haven't changed. Since any of those movies came out. If anything, those movies only seemed to affirm the beliefs of people who already believed it and. Almost acted as a way to pacify them from like. Continuing to search evaluators films now they feel validated. but I don't Wanna I don't mean that as a criticism of them either or the films themselves I think that like maybe one of the hard things for southland tales that it didn't that like maybe where it might fall short. I say maybe might because. I really loved the movie I can. If anybody tells me, they hate it, I go. Yeah, no, they're. Yes. That makes perfect sense. Yes, Wallace shopping. Armstrong are the main villains in this movie. But But maybe like there has to be a better balance where southland tales fall short said. I don't think it needed to be more clear. And less it if a wouldn't have had to be more clear if it had been a little more clear. Story wise me if it had been a little cleaner, a little more to the point story wise, but how can you probe the soul if you do that and I'm not saying you can't. I'm not saying that. It's like it's impossible, but like that's tough thing to figure out and good for Richard Kelly two out of the you know. The Donnie Darko was basically an independent film after that minor hit, he went. They'll never let me do this again, so. But my last piece that I had on here. I wanted to kiss me deadly. Because like you know I've heard him talk about that being an influence and plays in the movie at the beginning Chris now. She's watching up. She's watching the. The scene from kiss me deadly, but I don't really like that movie. and I've never been able to finish it, so I can't really speak to Wyatt. It influenced him But so my last piece is I I'm calling it the the gold. Star Robert Altman collection. Numb. Where and what I mean by that is The dolman is one of my favorite filmmakers, and and if you're not familiar with his work, he like. He was a He made ensemble movies that were kind of their more character driven than story driven And some were more successful than others But his biggest hits were movies like Mash. Nashville the player. And shortcuts. You could also say that Gosford Park was a big hit as well so I call those the gold star, those are the ones that like critically a war reclaimed awards and audiences really connected with them. and I think each one of those has an influence in in southland tales with Mash. You have this idea. This is kinda cheap puzzle piece. It's like I. Think it is How aim remember aim? That was my favorite acronym. 'cause it was a oh well instant messenger, which meant that it had an acronym within the acronym because AOL is online. So like? That's what this is. Mash was set during the Korean. War but it was an obvious metaphor for the Vietnam. War right like they were. They were trying to make. People think it was the Vietnam War. This war in southland tales they're calling it. The the Iraq or but it's like this alternate weird Iraq war that happened after the one we were currently in where people were drafted. You know what I mean so blurs the line between reality and reality what we're talking about non then you've got Nashville which specifically deals with the idea of Of Celebrity you know what I mean and like a hodgepodge of politically charged celebrity. You've got all these Nashville simple-minded folk. You know that like a are trying to keep America pure rights, so that line of entertainment and politics mashing together Then you have the player which if you haven't seen the player, it's about a studio executive who accidentally murders a screenwriter and trying to cover it up, and it's all about his survival of image, and his in his soul search of being an artist, or not, whether he'll cave into the eagles and the manipulation of Hollywood much like the rocks character. Sure then you've got Gosford. Park, which is dealing of class systems. You know what I mean. mean, like to class systems that totally ignore that each other exists because they look at each other as just an inconvenience when one feeds the other solve. These resentments are building up without people, even knowing it and Gosford Park. There's a murder. It's a murder mystery, but you don't even know if it was a murder, not like that's part of the confusion, because there's no communication between classes, and then finally you have a shortcuts, which is the sprawling. At specifically Los Angeles and the inner workings, and how people who think that they're totally disconnected in having can have an impact on each other. And even when they don't impact each other, it kind of points out how these? Think are meaningless crosses in life that we come to like encounters that we have. Like. Who knows who those people are United I, mean Enron shuts and southland tales both do that. Where like just because two characters in these movies meet doesn't mean that we know anything about the that they know anything about each other, but we know something about them, so they're helping us understand that everything kind of. That everything has a purpose and that there is some kind of weird designed it worse. Like an Christopher Lambert in the ice cream truck, m kidnapping Sean William Scott Halfway through the movie has nothing to do with Shero Terry beating his ass because he won't take a check earlier. You know what I mean You could not have that scene with him in Cheri, Oteri and the movie wouldn't be any different story. Wise necessarily you know. That scene about him and Cheri Oteri is for Shero. Terry is for her character. For you understand what she's going through, not necessarily him. And as a filmmaker would excites me is when people Draw those lines I love seeing those paths cross and cross again is Patti Smith, said I think that that's how you create understanding. Rather than wagging a finger in somebody's face or pointing the finger away from yourself like they lived US letting. You know Yeah. That's an interesting run movies in like all those little bits and pieces that all come together in this just show. How like densely packed? This movie is really be dealing with all of that dense is the right word. I think so. Sorry, that was that was. When I when I thought of the five star thing I didn't realize that it was a cheat until I was like saying that this is cheating. This works for me. Oh Great. Well. I'll go ahead and do the finished puzzle. And then we'll look at the movies that came since southland tales that maybe were inspired by. It so we just talked about robocop two. They live Star Wars idiosyncrasy Saturday night, live demolition man. And A Bunch of Robert Altman. He's a Mash Nashville the player Gosford Park shortcuts. Why don't we jump into looking forward? What do you have as far as things that maybe obviously, this is such a strange movie, a weird cult thing, not a lot of people connected with it, but it had to inspire some stuff Is there anything that you thought of? That might have been inspired by it? It's funny. The only thing that I could think of that I've seen a theater is Her like has a slight like Dick. Influence from this movie. But I think that her is also kind of shallow. Silly Movie I don't really care for that movie To be honest. I worried about this question, because I didn't want sound vain, but the only. Influence I can see that this would we had another movies is in my movies. I like it I. Don't mean that to say like like I don't mean that to like self promoter. Brag or anything I mean to brag that you're influenced by southland tells and same thing to say. You like Southland Tales. Come Watch my movies. You like with no way to get a load of me. No southland tales. Richard Kelly to me is kind of a hero. Because especially after domino, which came out before this. He didn't direct that, but he wrote it. He was tasked with giving US writing script about. a supermodel who becomes a bounty hunter. you know what I mean like? That was the movie and he turned it into this beautiful film about like a about a like women's rights, and and about immigration, and about you know what I mean like. He really went for this complex, crazy, meaningful film and novelist Toni Scupper going. Yeah, this is the first I want to do. But Richard Kelly. I what I love the most about southland tales is how unafraid it is to be silly. Because it understood that silly didn't mean stupid or dumb or or. Invalid. And and how it brilliantly balances silly and sincere. I love how much faith that has in its audience. Some could argue even me, even though I love it that it had too much faith in its audience. which is a criticism of the film, not of the audience And I loved that it that he obviously had so much on his mind, and so much in his heart, and that he had all these different characters and storylines coming together, and I think the reason why as my buddy? Who edited the movie said it started out as one little idea, and why germs into what it was. was because he cared so much, and he was, and he wanted to see something new, and so like you know in my movies Like what I've leaned into especially in the last like five years, or so is my movies. Really go out of their way and I'm not bragging when I say this like I'm just explain what I'm trying to get at in my films. They really go out of their way. If, there's A. Pope Point or purpose to any my movies, it's not to tell a moral morality tale, or to give you a message. All my movies I'm trying to create understanding and understand and not even understanding of coup. Someone is but just understanding that everyone is someone. late So like I have a movie about I had an. It's funny. I made this movie before meeting the editor so before knowing what's up until started at, but I made a movie called low town that was supposed to be about a guy who was filming be for A. For a a stupid like horror, movie or something gets caught up in a diamond heist and taken hostage, but he hasn't footage of the footage of the diamond heist, and and like he escapes with one of the people who double crossed all the other people in the diamond heist, so they're going to go disappear to his hometown in Florida and like hybrid the dime. Off using the tape is like you know security so that the bag I won't find them right. It was a simple idea and I said to underwrite that movie and. A day into it I was like. I've seen this movie. You know what I mean I'm seen like the Internet, I mean like I've seen that movie before and so. It just jammed into this thing that ended up being a one hundred and fifty eight page screenplay, then the got so invested in who the WHO is the cinematographer, and who is this this This jewel thief actress, and who are who? How did they become this? And who are the people that this would affect and who is who who are the people that this would fact indirectly and I became obsessed with that and we did. We made at one hundred and fifty eight page. fish out of water diamond heist comedy for forty thousand dollars and we shot it in ten days. And Every single person who's seen that movie which of my movies? That's probably the most viewed movie. Every person who's seen it. You know we we got some. You know some some good criticism. We got some. We had a really positive response from about half the but. I can't tell you how many times people come back to me and said Dude. It was so much better the second time. Like It. was you know and so southland tales to me is a pioneer. It's a burst through the gates in our I, mean and I wish that I knew other influences that I could reference I'm hoping your wants from you. 'cause like the your puzzle pieces blew my mind. Right on well, actually I do have to so. Yeah we'll. We'll jump into mind then I. I one I wanted to bring up. He obviously had a cameo in the movie. It's Kevin Smith and basically all of his movies after Red State just leaning into his own crazier ideas that maybe don't necessarily make sense to anyone but him, but he's just going for it and you know adding in all these these political elements, crazier elements and just really Not Worrying so much about. Whether or not the audience is GonNa, follow him into the idea that he had more so worried about telling some kind of story that he has in mind and really kind of digging in Tusk is yeah, definitely yeah. But no I don't know how. I didn't even think of that Richard Kelly is the one who influenced him to make red state. But 'cause they're actually pretty good friends, but Tusk problem with Kevin Smith versus Richard Kelly I think. They, both have the same problem, but on different sides of the spectrum Richard Kelly thinking about it way too much. Way Too much time figuring it out. You know what I mean like. He's more interested in like what he's figuring out what he's discovering rather than Kevin Smith. Doesn't care right, but. I think that's fair. Yeah, like I remember when I like I. Feel like namedrop too much on this podcast, but I live in Los Angeles you know. I've gotten to work with Kevin Smith and it was right after Tusk. And I was talking to him about it and And he was like he like. Would you do what you think is weird right? And I said Oh very effective and he'd like this blank. Look just like washed over his face just like A. Like. Because I. think the Tusk is of masterpiece like I really do and tusks. You're very similar. It's very. It's silly, but it yet sincere. You know what I mean and but he's not thinking about it. He's just kind of like. He took the surface of south. Yeah it, it's weird is a great starting point. It's like where do you go from there? Right? Right and Tusk is just like I think the red state to. Starts out brilliantly because it's what Kevin Smith knows. He knows being a horny teenager, and he knows religion, but then when it gets into that that second half. Were totally deviates from anything. He's ever come close to doing before it just. You can tell it's from a guy who's seen a lot of law and order. You know what I mean. Who doesn't know what he's talking about hasn't thought it through, and I feel like the ending is so lame. To Red State. But then Tusk was this brilliant, wonderful, transcendent movie, and then Yoga users was just back to the nonsense. hoosiers worst movie. It's so bad and like. And like offensively bad, because then be cost like fucking ten million dollars to make. And it's like man. Do you know how many other artists Cabana fitted from that you? Didn't you know what I mean? If you WANNA, make vanity movie for your fucking. Kids like that's fine Robert. Rodriguez did that for ten years, and those are pretty good movies, but. You've gotta try. You can't have. You know. Man. Well I have no idea how you feel about my other one that I was going to bring up, so I might as well jump into it and see what you what you have to say, but. It's another movie that we've done the podcast that they live was a puzzle piece for it. Is Boots Riley sorry to bother you. Did you like that movie? No, now I right if. You're talking about one hundred percent. Yeah, exactly. I mean I felt mixed on it. I think it has some. Some interesting ideas I appreciate the craziness of I didn't think it was one hundred per one hundred percent successful as a movie, but. Yeah as you can agree, there's just so much crazy and like crazy as a starting point of where it's to really like. Pick up this story and try to dig into some really interesting ideas, but maybe not necessarily getting. They're especially. If. You're a fully invested in the story and everything that's happening. It's going to be really difficult to to really find the meaning and all of it but I it's it's an interesting movie, though and and I am really interested to see what else boots. Riley has to say and a future movie I think it's an interesting debut, but yeah no, not necessarily the most successful movie though he I went to an early screening of that It was the last film they ever did. Is the film independent series at LAKME A-? So into a screening of it about a month before it came out and It was. I was really looking forward to it because I love Keith Stanfield. armie hammer much and armie Hammer's green, bucking brilliant and. Ben Affleck would played ten years ago Oh, yeah. But. When I was watching it I all I was thinking. Very similarly to what I was saying about Kevin Smith's. You know work recently that it's like it's kind of. Thoughtless it nothing, but since ational complaining and Boots Riley did a QNA afterward with Elvis Mitchell, which basically is to say that boots. Riley sat there while Elvis. Mitchell talked at him for an hour and a half. 'cause Elvis. Mitchell is for Elvis Mitchell. But. What blew my mind was at Elvis. Mitchell was saying things like I love. How brilliantly set up the character like to seem like he's in animal cages the whole time it comes horse at the end, but like at the beginning he literally lives in a garage, which is framed like a stable, and then you seem framed in a bullpen like a you know like an animal. Blah Blah, and has Elvis Mitchell saying that I was like. Wow, I didn't catch that. You know what I mean like like like Which is odd because I? That's how I view films. You know what I mean I viewed through that Lens obviously Alec's Southland Tales. As how was I missing that? How was I and then after Elvis Mitchell got done talking about it. Boots goes Oh shit I didn't even think of that. That is crazy, isn't it? And I was like. Are you kidding I? Thought? Maybe he was joking right liking, but then later on l.. This is talking about the Keith stanfield performance, and how brilliant it is, which it is. he's lose stanfield is. The most underrated person in. Entertainment today he so yeah, he's brilliant But and the nicest guy. but he. was praising his performance and boots goes boots. Like yeah, you know McKee. He's crazy. Is One of those actors that just and he just takes that shit too seriously like he was telling me when he pointed his uncle at the beginning, he was like boots have an idea what I'm pointing at my uncle telling him off. I feel like. The problem with the characters that he so non-committal that he can't actually pointed his uncle won't even commit to pointing at his uncle completely. Sorry, Kinda Bend my finger, so that I'm not pointing directly at him because I can't even commit to the idea. Man I was then. Boots is like I was just like man. That's an actor should do whatever you want that. Don't matter to me. And I was like. What? That's brilliant. He's thinking about it. He's he's giving you fucking gold man like he's adding that layer that you need when you're doing something like that. Otherwise, you're just jerking off. You know what I mean like God. It was interesting I didn't even think when I put these two together. How close it is to the Kevin, Smith thing of like starting at crazy, but not going anywhere with the right and Tusk was a happy accident. Unfortunately is what we've discovered. You know what I mean like. It was a happy accident, but like but yet sorry to bother you. What really bothered me about? It was that. It's again kind of like. I was talking about with an idea like groundhog day or idiosyncrasy, where it's such an import like such a great idea, an important idea especially for when it was made. Right, Like you have to be more responsible. You have to be more considerate. You have to be more thoughtful. You have to have more purpose. Because, no one else is going to make that movie right? And why are you doing it? Why are you doing a if and the answer becomes for yourself or for money Ryan, which directly relates to yourself I remember when I went that lack of screening I was a little thrown off confuses like here's a bunch of people in line for this movie, and they're all wearing like Malcolm X. pins and spike Lee t shirts, and and this is right at the beginning. Black lives matter movement you know to like. And I remember feeling like. It felt more like being in the line for a pre screening of Batman. And everybody wearing their Batman masks and paraphernalia didn't feel like an actual like. Movement it felt. Very empty and vain in a in a certain way, like maybe them being hypercritical, but like it did like kind of me at the beginning in I, mean But but again. What's interesting about that movie, too is like how much hyped up, and then how quickly it's kind of faded into obscurity. like there. Isn't that fan base like Eddie? Accuracy has or like they live. Has You know what I mean like? There's sure. Sorry to bother. You really faded very quickly. which is a shame because it's a brilliant idea with a brilliant important like? An important message and at the right time, and it just came across to me as a vanity project. That wasn't interested in telling for all its flaws. Southland Tales may be Maybe a little incoherent. But it's, but it's, but it's there are no plot holes. You know what I mean. There's no, it's not. It's not inconsistent. It's not poorly thought out your I mean it's all there exactly and I think that sorry to bother you just even on a narrative platform. And him becoming the horse at the end, it's like what are you saying with that Ling? What are you saying with him? Becoming the horse at the end after finding what was the cure for it and taking down the corporation that did it like so are you saying that like? But then the horse for some recent is still fighting the fight, but it's like. What is him becoming this horse hybrid person do like. Is that a? Message of hopelessness like I don't understand. Yeah and and I would maybe trust the movie more and I may be. I would maybe would have gone back and had a second. Look at it. You know what I mean because I like to pick things I like to sift through things I want to pick things per by like to sit through them, because as they say, gold diggers mine mostly for rocks and sand intern I mean so like I. Don't mind panning. I really don't, but after hearing boots Riley talk about it. I was like Oh. You have nothing to say. That's interesting. Yeah I seriously like if especially the weirder the concept more they've got. They've got to be all in on one hundred percent for it to to really. Really drive it home if I had been on the sorry to bother you, I would've used a groundhog days puzzles. Nice of yet another movie that just like. The best idea for a movie ever, and what did you do with it? Nothing fuck you. And, they just recently released that he was supposed to Bill Murray supposed to have been in that day for ten thousand years to the day. Dude after ten thousand years of you're still like pining after Andie macdowell. If you if you have not gained any kind of like wisdom beyond like spiritual wisdom, you know fizz like. It just nonsense is that true is what they say ten thousand years. Even if it's even it's even if it's a fucking ten year difference ten years in that movie. They're saying theoretically that he's read every book in that library twice every book now he's mastered sculpting is he's mastered the piano? He knows every single thing about that town to the second, and we see that montage where he liked kills himself a million different times right? Where's the mangams scenery? Kill somebody else. You know what I mean. Go there. Don't be afraid to go and you like. And like some of it's a little bit of the time, but like. You know what we have to slowly open our mind. You know like A. A big problem that people have understanding what real change is change takes time. Unfortunately it takes patience it takes. it takes repetition it. You know what I mean. It takes a lot of it requires a lot to create real change one of the reasons I think that we're seeing such a problem in the world right now with everything. That's going on while in our country. The very least with what's going on is because we're doing the same thing that we did fifty years ago. Like citing how it affected change like a change laws that gave people rights and stuff like that right, but here's the thing. It didn't actually change a consciousness. Right it just shifted us. Economically it shifted. You know what I mean it. And? So that's an important thing that needs to happen and it neon happen, but now we have to like an unfortunately and yeah, it's it's so sad. What people have to go through in this country? In this world? It really is the worst, but you have to create understanding if you wanted to go away. That like. Part of the language is getting a little too political, maybe but like southland tales. If this is not I don't think that the right answers were not fighting. Racists were fighting racism. you know what I mean like like the new frontier, the new frontier is. Is Conquering Racism. Right and I don't have a solution ports, so I'm not dare telling people what they should or shouldn't be doing necessarily, but like, but I can't help, but say that like. I don't know maybe if groundhog's Day had their show bill. Murray killing somebody else. And a big change well, but no, but seriously like like you know what I mean like. It's Ni-. It's it's. There is a responsibility when it comes to art, and as much as art doesn't want a admitted entertainment is art see? Most people think I would say the opposite there were were entertainment won't admit that it's art. No Art won't admit that it's entertained like uh-huh, that's that's the truth. That art has always been a conversation through abstract. You know what I mean like like it. It's always been a it's always. A lot of artists will call filmmaking. Especially, they'll say. Art is a mirror to hold up to society I don't agree with that. I think that that's absolutely incorrect. I think that art. Is a lens. For Society to look through, not at you know what I mean and And I think that. Now, more than ever like in nineteen, ninety one or whatever everyone groundhog day came. I was at ninety, nine hundred ninety something like that. Doing so you couldn't really do that much and as much hate. People like Christopher. Nolan and Spike Jones. They really did like push things in a direction where you can do more now. You know what I mean. They opened those doors a little bit more then. I mean there are plenty other people with those pursue that come to mind So like we as artists. You know we need to. We have the opportunity to step up. We have more opportunity now than ever to speak in an abstract, creative and thoughtful meaningful way. Richard Kelly. Did it a little too crazy for people I guess but But. That's why I get so frustrated when I see things that come out today when people just aren't trying you know like you can make movies for less, you can make movies easier, but I guess what the proving is. An easy is always the right thing. That's right. Was it Jeff Goldblum Jurassic Park? You spent too much time saying? Can we not enough time asking, should we? Want to put that directly at Kevin Smith and see. A rare podcast having on where I'm where I'm like giving credit to Christopher Nolan Spike Jones and Steven, Spielberg. Very positive conversation. For me, saying Nice things about those three quote Unquote Gentlemen is. My friend believe it. Well Joe I think we pretty much covered. Southland Tales is much as you can in a one hour conversation. Is there another movie you watch recently like to recommend to our listeners? Oh Man I saw this movie going in style. it was made by Martin Brest. Who did Beverly Hills. COP and meet Joe Black Angeli. Don't hold that against him. It was his first film. It's it's got art carney and and It's a and George Burns. It's about three old men who just are tired of. They just wake up one day kind of bored with their routine and they decide to rob a bank. and but it's very lackadaisical movie. It's not a heist movie because they robbed the bank a half hour into it, and then like okay, so we got this money and You know it's it's so. Beautifully heartfelt I doubt any of listeners will watch it, but man if they do. It's there for real tree. Go wasn't just remade like a year ago I think. I posted this on our on the group page. The data remake is the most defensive stupid remake. 'cause. It looked so bad. It's so bad in the remake. They them like motive. To do it like the bank is going to foreclose on Michael Caines, House and Sank took away their pension because it bought out their company so like you know what I mean, so it's like a revenge highs, and one of them has like an illness that they have to cure, and they don't have money. No medical insurance and Blah Blah Blah Blah Na dude. The genius of the original premise said it's just. It's it's literally a film about all you think of us as people. Internet I mean like like we're not people. Don't even notice us as anything other than old men. So fuck it. era half the like a good chunk of the movies, just them at Casino, gambling the money and just winning a ton. And then it means nothing to them outside like that crazy. We just knew that rules slid thirty thousand to a hundred and five thousand dollars. That's cool is go home. You know and I love that I. That but that remake garage. Offensive? Don't remake. Do Not Watch the remake absolutely, but maybe watch the original sounds fun. So Joe. Where can people find you in your work? Okay so I. Don't know when you're releasing this, but I assume it's going to be after Thursday. Yeah, it'll be sometime in June so yeah, we got a little bit to go by earthquakes perfect. Right now folks if you're listening in June. I finally completed my year and a half long journey of getting all fourteen or fifteen, now of feature length films Onto Blu Ray. and I am there's a you can go to the blue means pregnant facebook page, and you can You can see our campaign to raise money for the manufacturing. You can also see clips trailers posters for all of the work. I've also put together like a video that has. One shot of every single face that has ever been in front of the camera on one of my films. There's link. It's a five minute video with hundreds of faces. Just and you can have must be alive. Oh, it's beautiful I. It was so beautiful to do. I'm not a nostalgic person, but just to just realize the scope of what we because. It's not just me in this company. It's a bunch of us. Will we have done you know? In the last sixteen years we've been doing this and it like I I just want to invite people to you know at least celebrate with us. You know what I mean, if not become a part of it, but yet the bloomed blue means pregnant films facebook page, and there'll be a website that linked their soon to We love to share our work with you and. and. Love dear thoughts. Awesome I'll put a link to the The fundraiser in the show nut so the episode sick. Thank you. For, sure well Joe as always great having you on some great stories. There and I'm glad we finally got to do this one saying. Hello welcome to the all points West podcast network. This is cute. June is GONNA. Be Huge for us. Where starting the month off with the launch of House on fire, a podcast hosted by youth climate activists, JP. 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Come down kind of thing, even though it's been really weird year, and of course just covering more new movies, some of the stuff that's been hitting streaming and that stuff so lots. Come in your away, so let's close this thing out. This is a long one over our ten minutes already cheese. Let's close this thing over the piece of music. As we always do, and I think it's been a while since I played this one. If I've ever played it I, probably did at some point, but this was the title track from my last album. My last regular full length album, different kind of dream is called a different kind of dream. I love this track. It's a weird one and so I think that makes it a good fit for southland tales, so let's close it out with a different kind of dream. This album is available in Itunes spotify. Wherever you listen to music, and we'll be back with more piecing it together coming up next week. All points West production produced by David Rosen in Las Vegas.