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38 killed as Myanmar protesters suffer "bloodiest day" since coup
"Mass protests in Myanmar against the military coup just over a month ago. Wednesday was one of the bloodiest day so far with reports that 38 people were killed after the security forces opened fire on the demonstrators. And yet today Thursday, large numbers of protesters are back on the streets despite that threat of lethal violence. This footage was taken in Yang gone the main city and captured the sound of stun grenades and tear gas being fired at demonstrators. have also been reports the live rounds of again being used today. Well, the protesters reinforced barricades with tires and barbed wire, many chanting in protest. Been talking to one leading pro democracy activist in Myanmar, also a former TV host in Yangon. She's thin zah suddenly who's been telling me more? Do we have in horror, serious, fatal shooting yet, But we've been hearing arrest being conducted by the police and authority. So and also we'll worry about the detain people there. 1000 people already got detained and some of them are already ensured that they couldn't meet with their Even with the lawyers, But what lots of people are still come out onto the streets, even though it was so dangerous yesterday exactly. Despite all these brutal killing yesterday, But today we witness large numeral people even more than yesterday, you know, get on street, especially on those area with the brutal Crackdown in me engine in mo. Your more people in Ah, in a township level protest happening the whole day today, but on people scared, scared for their lives. Obviously, people are scared for our life that we are more scared off the future like our generation's future If we don't resist if we don't Ricks our life right now than our generations. You can't would live with us forever. And what can you tell us about these reports of protesters barricading blocking off their streets? That happened since the crack house that it so in yesterday as well in no local Oppa, where the Buddha crackdown happen in the angle the block in the last gig in the main road. So that military track cannot come in. So and then, when we can block the roads, then the protester can protest in their own place in a safe are, you know in the far distant place? Um, not just make sure very Kate. You know, because the military you nick and military in Yemen are patriarchal societies. Also now woman are using their and the well, you know, as buried as a barricade as well. So you can see today's photo. These soldiers are so busy picking up you know all these trying to destroy all these very gay because they can't get in and under the woman and away because they feel like if they go into that, then they don't have any dignity at all. This is a kind off social norms that they have religious noon. So it's stop them. It was actually working on. Is it true that some members of the police have bean abandoning their uniforms and going over to the protesters? Is that right? It's not like they're going directly to the protest area is like they're deciding the police stations and they're joining the CD M 70 so we don't movement because of the brutal killing. They would not the experience and they couldn't Um well, they orders anymore. So we're seeing today more more. Policemen are joining the civet. So Vidia movement, But how many is it Just is it just a few Compared to the other day. It was more like we're seeing around 30 30 like as reported from the new sources around 30. Police meant, um in the nationwide level are joining. I think They have many more were not reported. You know, even I was helping. Ah, police meant, you know, running off in the early morning just yesterday because he couldn't wait any day. You know any longer, Tonto to get our office Police stations were about to speak to the United Nations Human Rights Office in in Geneva. I just wonder what would you say to them? The United Nations being in phone about me or my situation for a long time since 30 years ago, the ethnic minorities from my country are being reported about the project killings, arbitrary arrest and all these things. Find the same army in the same pendant. You know, indiscriminately doing the same thing to us theory ruins of people as well. So the United Nations is already in for more than enough. Just that they need to actually add on that
The Origins of the Honey Trap
"The term honey trap has a surprisingly apt history. Like the idea of fem fatality itself. It exists somewhere at the border of fact and fiction originally coined by celebrated spy writer john carey in his nineteen seventy six novel tinker tailor soldier spy it moved from fiction to life. The intelligence community started using the term. One of the reasons it made that jump is because it's a succinct metaphor for a real long standing espionage tactic. The spy positions herself as sweet tempting delicious like honey. Her tools are charm sex or the suggestion of sex. And as they say you catch more flies with honey. Honey is also sticky. Once you're caught in it. You're as helpless as a fly to. The tactic is proved effective for many different intelligence agencies. Today even male spies can be found playing these cards but traditionally it was considered a strictly female domain. In fact the only female domain in the world of espionage and on the surface it sure did seem like a lovely gig one overflowing with alcohol sex a good time and targets who had no idea that their momentary pleasure was as dangerous as a knife at the throat.
Unemployment claims remains stuck at high level
"Of unemployment in the U. S. Triggered nearly a year ago, a stretching into another week of 2021. NPR's Scott Horsley has details. Labor Department says about 1.2 million people filed new claims for unemployment last week that includes 730,000 claims for state benefits and another 451,000 claims under the federal program for Gig workers and the self employed. Names were down sharply from the previous week, suggesting a drop in layoffs. All the bad weather and other factors may have distorted the count. As of early February, some 19 million Americans were receiving some form of jobless aid. Many of those benefits are set to expire next month. Congress is weighing a $1.9 trillion economic package that would, among other things, extend emergency jobless aid through August. Scott Horsley. NPR NEWS Washington
Unemployment Claims Dropped Last Week as Coronavirus Cases Eased
"High level of unemployment in the us triggered nearly a year ago a stretching into another week of 2021 npr's scott horsely has details the labor department says about one point two million people filed new claims for unemployment last week that includes seven hundred thirty thousand claims for state benefits and another four hundred fifty one thousand claims under the federal program for gig workers and the self employed claims. Were down sharply from the previous week. Suggesting drop in laos although bad weather and other factors may have distorted the count as early february. Some nineteen million americans receiving some form of jobless aid many of those benefits are set to expire next month. Congress is weighing a one point nine trillion dollar economic package that would among other things extend emergency jobless aid through. August scott horsely.
Unemployment Claims Fell Sharply Last Week
"Last week. NPR's Scott Horsley reports. Jobless claims are still very high by historical standards, The Labor Department says about 1.2 million people filed new claims for unemployment last week that includes 730,000 claims for state benefits and another 451,000 claims under the federal program for Gig workers and the self employed. Claims were down sharply from the previous week, suggesting a drop in layoffs. All the bad weather and other factors may have distorted the count. As of early February, some 19 million Americans were receiving some form of jobless aid. Many of those benefits are set to expire next month. Congress is weighing a $1.9 trillion economic package that would, among other things, extend emergency jobless aid through August. Scott Horsley. NPR NEWS Washington on Wall Street stocks or lower the
Examining the media coverage of the Trump investigation
"Is the media midweek. Podcast i'm bob garfield and it was a tough monday morning for one guy. Been waiting on this decision since the middle of october and now the middle of february. We're finally getting this decision from the supreme court they are saying that the manhattan district attorney cy. Vance can in fact get to former president. Donald trump's tax returns. This is something that has been playing out in the courts for more than a year. Now that there is an oldie but a goodie the intriguing prospect of an allegedly rule breaking tax dodging constitution shredding president on riled prosecutors and fulton county georgia have launched a criminal investigation into former president. Trump's january phone call with the georgia secretary of state where he told secretary reference burger to quote fine. Vote lean. while new york's attorney general is investigating whether or not the trump organization misled investors by inflating assets. We should probably expect that. There will be charges filed against him that he will be indicted on. This case will probably go to trial. I think there's an excellent chance that he will be found guilty and if he is found guilty. There's an excellent chance he'll wind up in prison. Yeah not so fast. Late last year in the new york review writer lawyer and former federal prosecutor uncooked kadoorie reviewed the various arguments including his own ford. The prosecution of donald trump elsewhere he had characterized such as quote insane among his critics. One too many former prosecutors himself included represented in the commentariat to too few defense attorneys. Who know how to find holes in any complex case and three as he told brooke in december. No one is willing to say. We just can't know. I guess it's not a great way to get twitter. Followers or cable news hits but it just fundamentally true. There are lots of things we don't know and facts could change. And you know it's very rare that anyone saying that which brings us back to august. Virus vans says painter last year to door shebang as part of its investigation into president. Trump's business dealings time says. The bank complied with that subpoena. When that news broke a lot of people were strongly suggesting there might be a bank fraud case. What the manhattan. Da is looking at here is overstating the value of your assets to get loans understating the value of your assets when it comes tax time that kind of thing is straightforward textbook fraud. It's much easier for prosecutors to prove those kind of charges. Well just compare the two and then you know. He's in huge trouble. If they're not the same a bunch of people were. This is not just a bunch of people but a bunch of prominent former prosecutors with significant followings on twitter and cable news contributor gigs i was just really taken aback because i founded the fundamentally very misleading basically said. The speculation was insane. That you've done this at doj and it's simply not how fraud investigations are conducted. That is the word used in the wall street journal insane in particular about the suggestion that had been made by former acting solicitor. General under obama. And you'll cut. You'll i think it's totally possible for all of this to come out before the twenty twenty election in terms of new york's prosecutors getting this information on in acting on it and so that was really surprising to be coming from someone who is at least supposed to know better. According to convicted trump lawyer michael cohen trump inflated his assets when it was opportunities so deflated them when that was profitable. And if cohen is right. Doesn't that mean that a prosecutor could just compare one accounting book with another. Find the mismatch numbers. And you know it's over. No i mean. It's a very reasonable supposition. But when you're investing financial fraud case the fact that some documents some numbers may differ from one set to another is often. Just the start of a case you have to figure out why they differ doesn't matter why they differ who prepared them if their lawyers accountants and auditors involved. What did they have to say about. The relevant figures trump did not have a huge business. Right this is something. That i think david farrell hold at the post has been very good at illustrating for the public. Ns fairly small organization but that organization still had lawyers had an accountant. That is going to substantiate complicate any investigation if the lawyers overstepped and they can't prove that this was a conspiracy with which trump was involved. Then he's not liable that's correct. We don't even really know what trump's involvement was in the preparation of any of these figures that would be the crucial question. You'd want emails if they exist and of course he notoriously email. You'd want to know whether he had spoken to people and provided with them potentially with oral instructions now in the case of cohen. That is what he says right. That trump instructed people to falsify these figures but he's not a great witness is not a great witness at all. So you would want people to corroborate that you'd want much more than michael cohen. Ideally
UK Supreme Court Officially Smacks Down Uber
"In a major blow to uber and other gig economy companies. The uk supreme court has ruled. That uber drivers should be classified as workers not independent contractors concluding what has been a five-year high profile legal battle quoting cnbc. Judges voted unanimously to dismiss uber's appeal against the ruling. The decision could have huge implications for uber's uk business as well as the wider gig. Economy in two thousand sixteen and employment tribunal ruled in favor of drivers led by yacine as lamb and james farrar who claimed they were workers employed by uber and therefore entitled to certain labor protections. The supreme court ruling could jeopardize uber's business model in the uk resulting in higher costs for the firm though it only concerns drivers involved in the two thousand sixteen case. It sets an important precedent that could affect other uber. Drivers and gig workers uber will now have to go back to the employment tribunal to determine compensation for the concern drivers. There are around a thousand similar claims against the company that had been waiting in the wings until after this ruling and quote china. Gauche points out on twitter. That quote uber's very keen to point out that today's ruling only applies to the group of drivers about twenty five. Who brought the original case. So we're not immediately looking at huge increases in payments slash costs here and britain and
U.K. top court rules Uber drivers are "workers" entitled to benefits
"Setback this morning for ride share company uber details with Bloomberg business Here's Tom Busby. Well, Jeff, this happened in the U. K. That's uber's biggest market in Europe, where the top court there ruled uber drivers are employees, not independent contractors as Uber maintains, and won a court battle in California for Now. Meantime, that means they're entitled to minimum wage, overtime, holiday pay and other benefits. This could start a big change and how gig workers are treated there and eventually over here,
UK top court gives Uber drivers benefits in landmark ruling
"I understand is a real setback for uber and how it classifies these drivers. Yeah, well, this happened in the U. K. Paul that's over his biggest market in Europe. That nation's top court ruled that Uber drivers are employees, not independent contractors as uber maintained. That means they're entitled to minimum wage, overtime pay, holiday pay and other benefits that could start a big change and how those gig workers are treated there. And
UK top court gives Uber drivers benefits in landmark ruling
"Britain's Supreme Court has ruled uber drivers in Britain should be classed as well because I'm not self employed it's a decision that threatens its business model and holds broader implications for the so called gig economy the ruling entitles the drivers to benefits such as paid holidays and the minimum wage hunting defeat to the ride hailing giant in the culmination of a long running legal battle the colts seven judges had unanimously rejected uber's appeal against a lower court ruling which found that to the drivers workers on the British law which has sixty five thousand active drivers in Britain had argued that the two drivers independent contractors Charles Taylor this month London
UK top court gives Uber drivers benefits in landmark ruling
"Employed its decision that threatens the company's business model overseas. And holds broader implications for the so called gig economy. The ruling entitles uber drivers to benefits such as paid holidays and minimum wage. Uber has 65,000 actor drivers and that's over in the UK, Maryland's first in the nation law Taxing digital advertising by big tech
U.K. top court rules drivers are Uber "workers" entitled to benefits
"In the UK has ruled that uber driver should be classified as workers and not self employed. This has been a long running legal battle. Decision threatens a California companies business model and holds broader implications for the so called gig economy. The judges agreed that uber drivers are workers under British law that entitles them to benefits like paid holidays in the minimum wage. Uber and argue that the two were independent contractors 5 39.
As COVID-19 ravages the world, closing the digital divide is more critical than ever
"The digital divide continues to be. A massive problem made worse by the coronavirus. Pandemic things are especially bad in appalachia. I'm roger chang and this is your daily charge sina is once again taking a look at this problem. Our series crossing the broadband divide and story in the latest package. Takes a look at the unique problems in appalachia a region with some of these slowest access speeds and accordingly lows incomes in the country with us to talk about. This is editor. Ray hodge welcome. Ray hey roger how are you so to kick things off. He gives us a sense of how big the broadband gap problem is in this area. I loved do that if we could actually find that information out in an accurate way and see. That's the that's the core problem. Isn't it the the big core problem here is that we don't have a full and complete rendering of the map of this digital divide because for many years. Now our our mapping has focused on deployment and not speed or actual access so while we have information about what census tracts have at least one connected household in them. We don't actually know. How many houses in each one of these census tracts is connected end accessing broadband much less whether or not they're getting the speeds that we normally classified as high speed broadband right and so we are looking at numbers that are probably severely. Undercounted the sec report which came out last month said that the number of folks who don't have access to broadband when down to fourteen point five million from about eighteen million a year ago most broadband experts. I think almost all broadband experts including the federal government and folks on the fcc all agree that that number is probably dramatically low and undercounted And and there's been a lot of issues you pointed out with the data behind these broadband maps that the fcc charge of some changes coming and we'll talk about that later later in the but let's let's get back to your story because you take a look at the appalachian region specifically you grew up in kentucky. You still live near louisville this curious. What broadband access has been like for you your family and how. It's changed over the years so we were based out of eastern kentucky. My family was and we've moved away from there. So i'm i'm what you would call the gas for the appalachian diaspora but i didn't get Internet in central kentucky until the same year. We got city water. Run out to our place somewhere around nine hundred ninety eight something like that and even though of course it was it was screeching -ly slow. Pardon the the the dialup pun. But yeah it's been intermittent right so it's taken that long to get it and where i live now in louisville i've got one gig fibre pay around sixty dollars a month. Which is the national average but there are still people out in the areas. Where i used to live in where you know. It may cost him one hundred dollars a month to get dsl equivalent speeds. It's insane the disparity there but growing up with This sort of Slow crawl towards access. It's remarkable to see what progress has been made because there is some but it's incredibly frustrating to see that after decades. This is still happening. These these problems are still happening. You're still dealing with a basic infrastructure and speeds. That are nearly unusable when it comes to like that so you talked a bit about the map and faulty data behind that but what are some of the other issues that has made broadbent hard to come by in this region so we've got a constant narrative going on where it's always sort of presented as a problem with hilly terrain and were unable to run lines or the the issue is often kind of bought and sold by that narrative. And that's really that's only one small part of the equation right. It's not just about hilly terrain because we've been able to make all kinds of technological advancements in these areas all kinds of construction industries like the mining and coal industry have no problem navigating hilly terrain. So you know. Mountains are not necessarily the thing that is always stopping Companies running out there a lot of the times it has to do with the fact that When it comes to infrastructure it has to do with the fact that it's not as profitable for for companies to run lines out into rural areas right even though they may be picking up subsidies and there was some fraud that had gone on in different rural regions By companies historically who claim to have all these people connected and then didn't so that's one part of it the infrastructure politics behind that the other part of it is that there are two digital heights right. There's one which is i. Don't have the lines. I'm divided from my lines. The other one is. I'm divided from the ability to pay for it which is actually the bigger digital divide across rural and urban areas.
Malia Obama Will Reportedly Join The Writing Team For New Donald Glover Show
"Former first daughter. Malia obama just landed a cool new gig writing gig me who's twenty. Two has reported joined the writers room for a potential series that donald glover is producing for amazon. Okay donald the hollywood reporter says me was recruited for the show which is supposed to be about beyond say type. public figure. Molina is set to graduate from harvard this year.
Rush Limbaugh, the incendiary radio talk show host, dies at age 70
"Radio host Rush Limbaugh has died after battling lung cancer. His wife, Catherine, made the announcement on his show This morning. Last month, a seven year old announced that his cancer was terminal. But the upshot Is that I have been diagnosed with advanced lung cancer. Diagnosis confirmed by two medical institutions Back on January. 20th Limbaugh, a longtime cigar aficionado, is widely considered one of the most influential media members of the past 50 years and from 1993 to 2019 had a show right here on K O in his radio and most recently on our sister station Freedom 93.7. Long time Denver K Way host microbes and talked about Russia's influence on his career. There's some things that I picked up from him that I was able to use that fit my style and Russia was part of the same allegiance. Morning, Missouri in 1951 Limbaugh got his first radio gig at age 16, and he's grown into the most listened to radio show and the U. S. Limbaugh side of $400 Million.8 Year contract in 2008 on February 4th 2020 the day after he first announced the advanced Lung cancer limbo, was a guest of President Donald Trump of the 2020 State of Union address. Or he was presented with the presidential Medal of Freedom in recognition of all that you have done for our nation, the millions of people a day that you speak to and that you inspire and all of the incredible work that you have done for charity. Rush promised to stay on the air for as long as he could, and has been absent for almost two weeks again. Rush Limbaugh guys today at the age of 70. Advanced lung cancer.
How to Help and Support Your ADHD Child
"Talk a little bit about the strategies talking about combined forces so some of the strategies parents can do at home draft so my first and foremost suggestion would be to learn as much as you can about. Adhd kind. Of like how you and i just be that sponge just read read read. I'm and i have some good sources for for parents so there is A magazine called attitude magazine. So it's add okay you've heard of out Add attitude magazine There's a website that is just attitude. Mag dot com. This is an excellent excellent source For very relatable articles for parents for adults For anybody with adhd are really recommend that And to be leery because there's a lot of information out there on adhd and a lot of it can be so. There are three people that i would recommend anything you see by these people you can trust. So why does doctor russ soul barkley. As second is dr ned halloween. L. and third is dr thomas brown. Those are three very well very well known names in. adhd community. Anything you see by them. You know you can trust so so first and foremost learn as much as you can about. Adhd the second is and some people are gonna balk at this but the second is to lower your expectations of your child and not to compare them to their peers. And let me tell you that. So hard to do. Even as an adhd coach. I would catch myself. How well gosh look at look at his friend. Why can't he do that. And i got you know i catch myself and i'd have to remind myself note. Nope you can't compare on so to understand that your child is going to be anywhere. From three to five years behind his peers in many of the executive functions as well as maturity both emotionally and mentally. So when you look at your child's age subtract three to five years and then that's what i mean by lower your expectations so take three to five years off in. That's what you should be expecting of your child Agree with that. Yes and also just so you all know. I will put all of this information of resources in the show notes. Part home but yes. I agree with the lawyer expectations. I remember cus. My daughter was high functioning on the honor. Roll and that sort of thing And then but when my son when he got on a roll we just flipped our leads. We just size our honor. What happened had one time and we were just so. We're like wow. This is an even with our daughter was like this is this is like gum. It wasn't like how a lot of other people like. Oh well yeah. This is what they do. We were just so excited because we're like. We know the effort that they had to put in to get there and so we were just like you know for us. it wasn't. We did not take that for granted. We were like really worked hard for this. We want them to know you. We know you work hard and this did not come easy so let me tell you you're blessed that you had kids with. Adhd at the honor roll. Because that isn't very common. Actually they are usually they usually functions a low their intelligence gig of the delay their executive functions.
Is the Inflation Trade Back in the Market?
"We start off tonight with the reflation trade. The ten year yield hitting a one that year high one point three percent does that mean the economy is staging a healthy recovery or that inflation is making a comeback sooner than we all thought. What could that mean for the markets guy. Why don't you open it for us tonight. First of all. I mean bit whereas bitcoin say fifty thousand becase technology problems. He better technology than bill gates. At this point. I mean he gets no pass from me. I offer him no quarter number one number two. It means sit. The market is clearly anticipating this economy opening up in a major way in the second half of the year and that's a great thing for the economy. It might not be such a great thing for the stock market and although the market seemingly likes rates rising right now where to get point and curve where it does and my senses. It's about that one and a half percent and listen. You've talked about a ten year. Yield that went from fifty three basis points in august two north of one and a quarter now and it seemingly short period of time. That's a tremendous move. And i just think it's getting started. Banks are going to like resource trades going to like it but inflation is here mel. Make no mistake. You heard it from kraft heinz. You're seeing it in soft commodities. Just look at charts like archer daniels midland and buggy and it's right in front of us and the fed thinks they can control it. Good luck with
Bob The Drag Queen And Camila Mendes, We're Here To Play Games!
"I am so excited to be joined by two of my favorite comics. I haven't been able to see them in person for a longtime but here. We are joined together through wi fi. Laurie kilmartin and aaron jackson. Hello hey we have all not done a live show. I assume you've not done a live show through this whole thing because there has been none but you never know. Do you miss stand up or are you happy for the break. I definitely miss it. I have done one show. It was back in the pickup truck. Oh yeah arrive in shows. It was i mean any other time in my career. We would have called that a hell gig. I was excited to be there. It was like me judy goal. Of course we were like but the whole time we were like that was amazing. Oh my goodness that was flashing white. Laughter couldn't see people still amazing wound literally on the back of a pickup truck. Oh yeah on the bed of a pickup truck in front of a diner in queens and do they put like a stool up there with a bottled water. There was a mike stand. I don't know if there was still did you. How was your memory of your sach. I mean i was rusty. But i was like. It's your fault for coming to the first comedy show which began laureate. Do miss doing stand up or you. Happy for the break i do that. I've been to mean a all may stand up shows in my bedroom on. Yeah and i constantly have to worry that. I didn't lock the door and family members going to barge in asking nita jar or or whatever i had to drive out which is when you walk. You walk through. I was like what. Are you doing more devastating. When somebody put their car in reverse during show. So laurie aaron. We have a game for you. Sound good read excellent so as you know. Fully artists are the people who create the sounds. We hear in film and television. So this audio quizzes called foley moly play a movie sound effect and you are going to guess how the sound was actually made. But don't worry. This is multiple choice. So you'll have some thing to choose from and you're going to be competing against each other so we're going to go back and forth Starting with aaron okay. Okay all right. This is godzilla from nine thousand nine hundred fifty four. Well that was weird. That was a weird one. Okay how was that sound created was it created a breathing through a scuba divers mask be rubbing a leather gloves coated in pine tar resin against the strings of a double bass or see withholding coffee from a mother of four. Well i mean. I'm sure it's probably two of those definitely. Sounds like coffee with your. I don't remember. Hey so i am going to say the pine tar and the base absolutely. That is correct. Any answer that contains the word resin is the right answer was no other byzantine and the sound designers for the two thousand and fourteen version. Say the roar differently. They captured sounds at frequencies that humans can't hear and pitched them down in the studio so they sound like they're fine. This is for you lori. This army chant is from the second lord of the rings movie the two towers. What are we really hearing there. Is it a twenty five thousand spectators at a cricket match be the crowd at a special promotional lord of the rings inspired pro wrestling match or c sixty five hundred angry fans at comecon. Who just learned that. Ben affleck was cast as batman and or not audio from assume comedy show. I mean the most successful one. We agree that would be the most successful i. I'm going to pick a match. Yes yes that is correct. It was a peter. Jackson ran onto the field well. A cricket match was happening. i'm pro. He probably waited for breaking the action and taught the crowd the
"gig" Discussed on The Gig
"So as of said, that was back in January of this year and then everyone went home again. And within a few weeks, all our countries started going into lockdown to halt the spread of Corona virus. I stayed in touch with all the main organizers throughout the past few months and to all of our surprise despite the incredible hardships drivers of facing right now they're doing more organizing than ever. This was especially remarkable because as gig workers, they were already overcoming the challenge of being isolated of not having any natural way to find an see and talk to each other. Now, with social distancing and even greater isolation, how could they keep doing it Nicole in Los Angeles? gave me some further insights. You all are continuing to organize. Even in the face of some of the worst. Times economically that we have seen since the Great Depression, talk a bit about what you've been able to do because you really have been. Amazing. Guys have kept at it and it's very inspiring and I. Think people need to hear about that. Well 'cause threat with I mean the the corona virus has been devastating to the drivers I'm basically our rights have dried up you know i. also dry for a service that transports kids to and from school and like there isn't school you know. That's gone. and you know in terms of Uber and Lyft ride you know I mean where you get dependable along rises from the airport there are no fights coming in and out like maybe five or six flights. Day from one of the largest airports in the world right who people people can leave their driver apple and all day long and maybe. Two or three rides. I mean people are reporting a sixty or seventy hour week and bringing in. Less. Than a hundred dollars. So there is no work And So people are trying to make and they're saying Oh. Well, yes, and so you know I mean the thing is now that airport drum. I ride right up the rights that are left are transporting. You know healthcare workers to from a hospital, and then you know honestly a lot of people choose Uber, and lift over Over other kinds of transportation Can Go to the hospital. So it's it's a it's a horrible horrible problem. So what I will say is that any driver that can has gotten off the road. And you know people have pivoted to you know food delivery and stuff like that. I. Mean I'm getting messages. I just got a message from somebody that we're trying to help you getting unemployment and we've got a really good process people online. It's been really helpful but then. In the end, there's still people stuck without benefits right and I had somebody right who said look my situation is so difficult. My Kids are hungry. I'm starving like that's what they're saying to me and we're trying to get them help through the state of California So you know, I. You know this is on the shoulders of lifted Uber who are not only a lot. you know So so that's that's one of things going on right now we're definitely dealing with the fact that you know drivers don't have P. B. E. Easy. You know you know basically you know Uber's now requiring drivers to wear a mask but not providing them and then but you know a mask is not enough for a car. had. You got the you know a plastic shield between front and back seats and You know that's all on the driver's again you have no money in their in their hands at the same rate. It's just ridiculous how so that's that's You know kind of krona virus crunch and you know through all this with with amazing is we're all still connected and we've been able to do Some actions we did some caravan on both the unemployment insurance offices as well as state and I mean. It's incredible what drivers have been able to accomplish, and there's so much energy such great group of people and you know people are continuing to build their own union. While going through all this. It was surprisingly hopeful to hear Nicole talk about everything they were able to do to assist drivers at this difficult time and all. That they were reaching more drivers than ever despite the social isolation. Jude had built up a powerful network of drivers in south India. And in episode four, I also introduced you to on Kuta an organizer from another Indian city Mumbai. Just to remind everyone, jude on had succeeded in bringing together drivers from all over India back in December of Twenty nineteen. Remember India is the second most populous country in the world and people speak in dozens of different languages. So bringing people together with no small feat. Listeners might remember a snippet of my interview with on the in episode four. I went back to him just very recently to find out what the National Federation is able to do at this time. We find ourselves in our in a very very I would say the. Condition and situation. where? Our incomes as you. Out Gad's have totally stopped. There's not a single cabbage is lying across India on any of the roads that people who are lying on emergencies but that's that is very, very special case not even about point one point of the cavs up like India. So for the past, a lost fifty, five to sixty days, the incomes as. Being savings if need be. Yes. Yeah and that reminds me I mean one when we met it had been a very exciting time just a few months ago because you were able to launch I fat. I would love if you could talk a little bit about. In this moment has fat been able to continue to organize it sounds like you've been able to continue an end. Can you just talk a little about how the organization is doing now and what it's been able to do? Learn Sharaad expedience that close formed in the month of November December two, thousand, nine, hundred, and fat has been very successfully. been able to garner support from across states in India. So many states game together, the unions from different states gave together before my fat I think fat has lead a great rule in insult leap listen in the driver committee on a national scale. Now, it is important that we probably straight I fact, and it could to a level where the number that we talked about. You know who in house three, million. Each each of the each of the driver of. Member should be able to lead and understand about The effort I've heard is true and I think. The doing they wanna find some to affect has been street to the transport of Union. Transport. Minister of.
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"You know folks from. Nigeria from Bell Paulos Spoke Central America folks from Indian. Getting, everybody, involved and. we all went on strike on as of May and it was epic and we changed the conversation. So after may twenty, nine, thousand, nine people from around the world had Nicole's number literally. She was a natural person for Yaseen to contact when he had his crazy idea. And there was someone else. Yes. He decided he needed to get involved with the planning also. Jude Matthew in Chennai India. Jude was another accidental organizer. I had a long conversation with him and he told me about his career as an independent small business owner I was fascinated with his story because unlike some of the others he really did see himself as an independent contractor and he was proud to be. So prior to any ride hailing APPs appearing on the scene he owned and rented private hire cars and he worked as a driver, but also employed a handful of other drivers. In his hometown of Chennai, this was a really good business. There were always travelers who short-term car and driver services. So he didn't actually mind as he told me when the APPS first came to town because he figured it would just make it easier for an independent business person like himself to hook up with customers. But then he found out that the company's real game was getting control of all that customer data that had made his small business a success. So he set out to get back control and to get out of the APPS by setting up a facebook page. Big Companies, such ally Mujber into the into the market. It was a yes behind the are of heavenly time. To those who being the subsisting with seventy end up those date. V.. A. Be Incentives. have been venues and booking ours have been biased. and. Not The targets have been a a monthly di was. So end of the two, thousand, seventeen, be act out find. Company, actions that policies. but the Orlando. But into the market in another six months earlier, these companies has shut down their abrasions. And small slowed companies like. BEING MILLION DOTS are friends back welcome taxi on these plans reasonably ask. Was Too, I thought I should come get this to. A public and create more awareness oblivious to. Come down to the traditional business so that yes, neon struggling why because these giant companies are it up the? I have a standard uplink forum that has facebook page to coming here my. Own. Demise will say the. But later on when I go on. A line of people from the are. A travel of daywear anywhere to. Form an association. So that motivated need to to organize the. Community. So. By twenty, nineteen Juden had not exactly revived his business, but he had organized a powerful driver network. Juden Nicole didn't know each other and neither of them new tests at that time, but they were all about to agree to join your scenes or group. You're and his union were able to raise enough money to cover travel costs. And in January of this year twenty twenty. They actually brought everyone together. I was able to join them and I was amazed at what I witnessed. I. Got to chat with drivers from Indonesia Cambodia Chile Brazil France and Canada. Translation was going on in half a dozen languages at the same time as they kicked things off..
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"Is. Side. On I'm Bama three and you're listening to episode five of the. GIG. This podcast started out as a project to document and record stories of what it was like to work in the GIG economy around the world. That clip you just heard from January twenty, twenty I found myself in a room filled with APP based drivers from two dozen countries chanting in solidarity with one another. Honestly that's not at all what I expected when I started this project. But as I, ask drivers for stories that was the story I was told and as I found myself documenting it, I looked back. At how the whole story started in. July. Twenty nineteen when I went to South Africa to interview drivers and other Gig workers about what it was like to work on platforms. I was interested in how platforms like Uber were able to disrupt even very low wage informal markets. I had an open mind I was wondering if this was a good or a bad deal for drivers, and also how the companies were making any money considering how low the fares were drivers like Derek from. Capetown. Spelled it out for me and you can listen to his interview on episode to. The, company simply ignored the laws regulating fares licensing. then. He and others started telling me about something. I. Hadn't really expected to hear that drivers were fed up and they were organizing. So I started following that story. It wasn't easy. It's not like there is some natural place to find gig workers remember they get their jobs through. APPS. There isn't a single workplace gig workers are isolated and in many ways until recently, they've been invisible to the rest of us. Now in this pandemic time as we are more and more compelled to rely on gig workers, they are becoming more visible. More and more people around me are starting to realize the dangers and challenges that GIG workers face. That realization is making my interviews from last year, even more compelling as I wonder what the companies might have done differently before this crisis hit. So now, back to our story, I found out the drivers were organizing as I mentioned in all kinds of different places. So I started asking them in these interviews why? We heard some of the reasons in episode four they just wanted to negotiate with the companies they were being deactivated for no reason, and they didn't know how to have the conversation about what could be done about that. We met Yacine from the UK back in episode one and we found out in the last episode that he had a big idea. That he could bring organizers together from around the world and that collectively they could do something bigger than any of them could do individually. The next thing will I always wanted to have this international thing because I knew drivers. One meet one another they WANNA open. We all feel isolated like to me. It was like it's only me by dead and quiet and I'M GONNA. Lose. And I'm fighting a company Louis. But I knew if I could everyone together, we work and fishes exactly what we've done with up east. It's a crazy idea. I'm not the only one who thought so. If it's very difficult to organize any kind of a protest in in one city to try and get. Nationwide or. International you know that that's just would be very hard to do well kind of impossible that was test munching and she didn't actually want me to use that little clip sorry tests but to be fair that was from the first time we met last summer and she did not yet know that her life was about to change. We're going to hear from her again don't worry but I to explain just how everything started to come together I want to introduce you to more people. Nicole more in Los, Angeles and Jude Matthew in Chennai India. I'm Nicole were and I am a part time driver in Los Angeles I started driving Little. Over two years ago when you know we had a bad well, basically for our house and Doubled the monthly class and we had to figure out what to do and We cut our costs and did everything we could, and we still had a income gap. we made a decision that we need more income and I went on the road to drive and that was was doing half years ago and So that's how I got involved in driving. Nicole is an activist with rideshare drivers, united. Like Rebecca from San Francisco who we met in previous episodes she got involved with organizing when she realized that driving just wasn't a very good deal for drivers. So now let's find out just how she became an important factor in scenes plans. That started in January of two thousand nineteen when Uber made a draconian cut to its mileage rates in the Los Angeles area. It was A. Hub. And drivers men driver said, we should go on strike and we're hearing from everybody like it's gone strike. So that was march. March. Twenty fifth. and and it was incredible. We we did a, you know a twenty, five hours three a twenty five hours strike We pulled a lot of drivers out of their cars and three hundred. Three hundred of the driver's showed up or a picket in. Uber, office and It was very powerful and boy did the press come out and cover that event and that helped us Make connections with drivers. All over the country and internationally as well and We had several calls from Dr Groups in other areas saying, Hey. We need to do this bigger and we next time you go on strike call us 'cause we WANNA, go strike with you. Well, this is. The time we lived in Uber going public You know becoming publicly traded corporations and You know that was all the talk in. These new in our in tech companies and you know is it going to be a good investment and everybody's really into it and people really were talking about what was happening with their labor model and renew that we had a huge opportunity in front of us. Now, with this stock stuff, you never know when the public offering is going to happen when stocks actually go on sale you never know that stuff that you we had heard it was going to be somewhere in the beginning of May, but we didn't know for. Sure and so you know we we spent a Lotta time trying to figure out when to have a strike and we decided to strike on May eighth, and then we started getting in touch with her our national you know other drivers in the United States who had said they wanted to strike. We talk to folks in Chicago or New York taxi workers, Alliance and and and our northern California counterparts, and and we started building national strike and I think there we somebody in new. York. City. Sitting down at their computer who had a lot of international connections and started I'm getting.
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"The the judges are entitled to from the evidence on from the testimony from the evidence written and given an. Up, quarter cross examined to whatever. They're entitled to say we'RE GONNA build a factual to a matrix based on how things really are not how things written down on paper by a bunch of lawyers. And so when when When you leverage leveraging audit leads. Are. Judge. was able to rule that it wasn't real that we were employed by Uber Netherlands on the only been I've been really we were employed by Oberland Limited. The judge ruled that Oprah's London subsidiary was legally accountable for drivers and this was a very big victory. Hooper had successfully argued its way out of liability in South Africa and in other places. The London drivers won their case to be classified as workers with all that implies. But even though Uber now admits its London office has a relationship with drivers it his appeal to the ruling that the drivers are employees. So let's get out of the weeds for just a moment. The reason case is so important globally is that APP based transportation companies like Uber and lift are fighting tooth and nail to claim they have no responsibility for drivers anywhere. This. Issue has become a huge battle in the one place where Uber I got its start California. Last. Year drivers one a really important victory with the passage of a State Law Assembly bill five that established exactly what James and Yacine we're trying to win through the courts. Will talk more about that in a minute. But first to understand why this relationship between Uber and the drivers is even an issue I turned to a Labor lawyer. Rebecca Smith. Of the National Employment Law Project UBER SAYS IT'S A Tech Company and Nada Transportation Company. What's your view? Is it tech or is it transport? It is so clearly transportation you know that's an argument that I've Seen Uber make in court and as often say it doesn't pass the silly grin test Courts have looked at that argument now, your. Company your dry you drive and hire tens of thousands of drivers to do your job, and in fact, will be used to advertise itself as everybody's private driver. So how do they get away with saying they're not in the transportation business. I think several way First. Workers are often unable to. contest their classification by the company's because they have signed in the. Very lengthy contracts that are put in front of them take or leave it contract something that says they will go to arbitration if they have any claims against the companies. and. That means that they have no access to the court. It means that in the seventy or so cases that have been filed against these companies. Most of them have been. Kicked out of court and sent to arbitration, and the problem with arbitration is that workers rarely go arbitration and even when they win. The outcome is secret. So there's been. Very little in the way of determinations that the companies. Are. Are. Employers under the WOK. Confused yet I was I was learning that courts in the UK were determining that Gig workers were employees. But in the US according to Rebecca Smith, they were not. As. Derek told us in South Africa a lower court said, yes they were employees and then the appeals court said, no, they were not. I talked to activists in Brazil who had brought a case to get drivers classified as employees, and then read in late two, thousand nineteen that Brazil's Supreme Court ruled they were independent contractors. And in France drivers born a lower court ruling and that case was on appeal and headed to Francis Supreme Court. In the US drivers weren't just trusting courts to help them out there. We're taking a closer look at what was wrong with the law that put them under the company's control, but wouldn't allow them to claim their employment rights. here we are California is about to create. New Homeless people sleeping in tents and pooping and grocery stores needing handouts a B. Five. That's the heartless bill. It is going to gut the GIG economy that was a clip from Fox News. Segment on Assembly bill five in California and from the hysteria level, you can guess just how well corporate executives liked this initiative. What Assembly bill five does is similar to what? James. In Yaseen have been fighting for in the United Kingdom it clarifies that clever new technology notwithstanding if you have control over how people work your their employer. But that bill now just might save drivers lives literally. What is often crucial in these determinations is what's the test you know? What are the factors that we look at to determine whether someone's an independent contractor or an employee? And Eighty. Five uses a short and simple and clear tests called ABC test. And what that means is that if you're performing work that is part of. Duh Service of a business. For example an uber driver working for Uber if you are. Not. In business for yourself. and if you are subject to some direction by the company, you're an employee. The bottom line for workers is that drivers can and should receive unemployment insurance benefits. The question is really, how fast can we get money into people's. Pockets. And whether those benefits are going to be paid by federal public funds or whether the state will treat workers as employees east. And assess the back taxes that are owed by these companies. You were writing legislation. What would you ask all the companies to do? Pay Taxes. And make your way to report. It's actually quite simple. It is Do they owed the taxes or is this a question as we were talking about before of needing to get the legislation in place I? Well. In about half the state. The Bras..
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"The customers, offers the rides, customers, and so on. So on. So what what do try to argue in court first of all was that according to our contract? Weird. We're engaged by V Netherlands claim we might want to bring has to be brought in the Netherlands and will be subject to arbitration there but the courts mmediately through that at and said, look you know on these, we're talking about statutory rights and so therefore, they have to be hard here in the United Kingdom neverlands. What James told me was a lot like what Derek told me in South Africa put forward the claim that it didn't employ anyone and that all the drivers were contracted by the Netherlands office. Unfortunately for Derek and his colleagues, the South African courts accepted that argument and throughout the case for lack of standing. But this legal issue got even more complicated as I heard about what was happening in other countries. In. Canada drivers were fighting to get out of a clause in their driver agreements about forced arbitration. A clause which actually required them to go to the Netherlands if they had dispute. Why would a company make it this difficult for a driver to bring a simple issued a resolution right in the jurisdiction where they worked. I got to ask an expert that question as well here in just a bit. But I I think I'd better explain how yes seen the other London driver that I met came into the picture. So to two thousand fifteen. I in I think it's February two, hundred, Fifty I. Go into. My? Car. A. Logged into my up. Just plan I'm going to be working that day. I logged into my apponaug or log on. And I was ready every told Kiss my kid more goodbye I'm going out I'm GonNa work all night Comeback Akron logo on. For driving into London's they might be a signal problems. Oh i. live in. Hiwickum. Just on the outskirts there's about forty minutes drive into hiwickum. Saw drove all the way into London try and log on log on I, couldn't and I had all these sorts in my head thinking what after like has? Cut me off. You, know like, why am I getting myself but by the way? In between his I will actually making decent money because I was experienced driver I knew what time to be airport unusual where the club was shot in. So I was all right in terms of an I never had any. Issues. Yes. Seen proceeded to tell me his story about how he picked up some pub goers one night and they became verbally abusive toward him while they were in his car he felt threatened. So he asked them to get out of his car. A complaint to the company, which then immediately deactivated him. So, he went to what's called a green hub. A place where drivers can go and get technical assistance if they have a problem with the APP. The manager like me and I still have respect for some stop because it's nothing I'm not against any employees. Issue is against. The work in practice and try to make sure. So. He turned me back in one of the thing I mentioned at Taza. Look why are you? Why did you do this to me? Looked out three or four days of work now because of that. But at the same time, you got to issue here because. The industry. So regulated in London, you have to have rickshaw on unlicensed driver. McCoy's is licensed. So is Ubah, they have to have approach life. Now, one of the conditions by travel London, is for them to keep documents record capable little. But. It was technology in the olden day you'd go into Akaba physically give them the document and they'll inspector Info Copier. But here is done on your phone. So you upload pitcher and the system would say, Yep, you got everything you got your insurance you go. It's driving license we go prove idea wherever it will. Done. But that was A. The floor, a massive flow in there. Till I mentioned legal under issues like forget me like legally you can get shut down because I'm not going to cost me my job and all do dry forget your company and that's going to. And he laughed at me he laughed at me. Let. Me Explain what you're seeing tried to explain to that manager. The system allow drivers to upload blank documents. And since there was no physical check on the insurance or the other required documentation. Uber. Simply let that happen. The Municipal Transit Authority transport for London or? Wasn't looking hard enough. So they didn't know that the documentation was never verified. So the company knew there was a problem. And they knew they were under no pressure to correct it. Yacine thought that wasn't right. Not Fair to legitimate drivers and not fair to consumers. So he told a journalist and the journalist exposed the flaw. And that brought him into contact with James. The mandate driver, they created their own insurance to call the free cover. The drought uploaded Don job. Into Office. To Pique speak to Joe. Bertram. The turnaround. Your exploiting your drivers drive. Don't have a say and they the massive loophole and she denied Latin and he pulled it all out. And event back to me, I and Uber Dan reported to the police I got arrested so I invested. In the Ub, that report me reported you for what what would. seriously. Not to look for online is. If anyone committed. Zuber or any any crimea or anything illegal or unregulated a fail to have my record on the system and they allowed me to do a job. But regardless, they had that information or not. I had my daughter hours licensed I had insurance so you can't blame me for anything. So I confronted him. Now biggest problem I would have me driver did they didn't like push the case forward and Jane One of the guy that actually willing to put his neck online push all the way. Okay. So you're seeing who now you've heard has gotten sued by for fraud when he helped journalist successfully upload fake certificate into their system. Comes across James who was suing the company for failing to share information they had about someone who had committed an assault against him. Now. Let's go back to James to pick up the rest of his story. There's a there's a supreme court ruling. oftentimes, which is really influential on this case ONA. Plans was a car wash company at a at a at an Karak insight. And they had a bunch of lawyers they were very clever. Every five minutes. And one of the things that is a test of whether or not you might be a worker truly self Right to substitute. So find the right to send you to work in place that would suggest an probably not worker our employees truly south employed. and. So all was quite influential. In our in our case. For for a bunch of reasons. One of one of the things that came with the Supreme Court ruling on also cleanses that. Judges have the right to discard earn. What is written contracts by an army of clever lawyers that Uber and other companies have. And instead take what he called of approach. So the.
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"Launch and Today we're going to launch. We had our legal team ready Fi had already filed papers in court to seek an injunction and I had my enforcement team, which is about two hundred officers ready to start pulling over drivers that were that were picking up lift rides. I have just one question at this point. Now, you know as you described Uber, they were willing to play by the rules they were already in the city they were playing. By the rules when you saw lift coming in, did you think well, you know I mean Uber would be crazy not to just say well of lift can do this. We can do it too. I mean we'll. That's exactly you know I got the phone call from Uber. If you let them do this, we're going to do it too on the same day. They you let them operate this way outside of the regulation were doing the same thing. and the truth is around the country. That's exactly what they did. They had maintained operating under existing regulatory systems, and then when lift came in and started operating outside of them, they on a dime switched and started operating outside, and that was actually accepted in most jurisdictions it just wasn't accepted in New York. MIRA. One her showdown with lift. The judge ruled in favor of the new. York taxi and Limousine Commission, and as they were waiting for that ruling, lift agreed to settle the case they agreed to get licensed in operate within the system. Mirror thanks there's a lesson there for other cities. If you move ahead now to where we are today many cities that gave up though that ability to regulate. Now wish they could go back and have standards on the kinds of vehicles, standards on the insurance requirement standards for drivers and drivers drivers. it is a serious job if you're on the road with people that aren't vetted well especially in congested city, it actually hurts your ability in hurts your brand it hurts your ability to drive safely. It's just not good for anybody. So I think you find a lot of cities now are trying to go back in and regain some of that You know a regulatory authority. So The New York Taxi Commission won its battle over licensing. But there was yet another battle ahead of MIRA. Over data. We've always gotten. Data from the taxi operators about which vehicle in which drivers doing which trip and when they're on duty and when they're off duty, and we've used that data to sort of track not only the economics of the industry are drivers making money to lease cats need to be higher or lower. It's used for traffic plannings of the DOT's for understanding traffic speeds in Manhattan, and it's used for enforcement against drivers who speed and drivers you run red lights drivers who have excessive moving violations. So it's pretty critical an and probably ten other uses that I'm not naming, but those are the top ones. But now we had this huge growing market of. Trip volume and passengers and low idea where they're happening and very little accountability 'cause we don't have. The drivers are licensed by us in the vehicles of, but we don't know trip by trip where they're happening or you know how long drivers are driving are they driving for hours and hours and hours or they driving a little bit our full time? Are they part time? our cars on the road? You know twenty, four, seven, they being just used seven hours a day are they being used? Efficiently or they you know being abused. So we started demanding that they give us data points the Guber in lift basically, and that again was met with a whole lot of arguments that you still see the company's present today in La they just presented similar arguments about not wanting to give real time scooter data which La has started to ask for but around the constitution and. Privacy and you know things that we knew. We had the benefit of of sort of. Getting the taxi data and knowing where we stood in terms of authority and our regulatory thirty we knew were sounded scary but had no substance to them. So they continue to bring in lobbyists and bring in lawyers and present to us the reasons why we would be embarrassed if we went forward, we didn't know what we're doing. We would be hacked we had no we. Had No real security, we had no way to hosted. What would we do with the information and wouldn't everybody's all these passengers wouldn't their privacy just be completely obliterated? Wouldn't people know went to an abortion clinic and who was staying at the homeless shelter and a lot of it was totally overblown because it was well beyond information that we were asking for they collect. So many data points we were asking for a sliver of that we were asking for the trip information not passenger Mary to be honest, right. So why should they know who's going to an abortion clinic and was going to church right? Like I mean they're actually even saying that's the granular level of data that they're holding right I mean and to be totally crude, they have the credit card information most hackers actually want that more than anything else So my point back to them was actually you have all the information anyone who's going to go to the trouble of hacking would want not us you've got the money and. You've got the passenger information So ultimately, we ended up getting they we we passed a rule that required them to give us the data Uber. Went to an administrative court and because they weren't going to comply. They didn't comply with said, we'll have to pull your license. The judge ruled in our favor and we immediately sent a notice out to all the drivers saying you can't work gruber anymore they're not licensed and within an hour they started providing data and that was the first real sort of data fight and after that, they got a lot easier as you've just heard, we're back to talking about data. In the last episode, we heard about how the APPS collect all kinds of data about drivers, even what games they're playing on their phones. The clip we heard earlier from Uber's. During Capetown, made it sound like all the company wanted was to use that information to help municipal authorities. So it seemed a bit strange that in New York, they went to court to fight the city. When the regulators asked for the same information, they'd always gotten from traditional taxi companies. You might remember my conversation with James a driver from the UK in episode one. told us then data is a valuable resource for these companies? But. Still, why not help the community by giving some of that information up to the regulators so they can use it to help all of us get around more easily. The answer to that question wasn't what I had expected. James explained that if governments can see how much business is transacted, they can tax it when they can't see it. They can't. Here's a bit more about that subject from our interview. Case was brought against Uber by good law project here in the UK the Director of that. Initiative, took Ryan at six pound ride for Uber Uber for VAT recede and couldn't get one. And because Uber would say, it's the driver drives. The driver is the is provided of driver that needs to give you the receipt not uber. On the court case to the high. Court and he had to stop because he couldn't get costs protection. We just talked about admitted to go and so he had to stop. AIDS should marcy. It's like you know I talked about employment being enforced but taxation being enforced either because there.
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"In the nineteen thirties. The Great Depression happened. It wasn't great but it was depressing every fourth American was unemployed and desperate for work especially, low skill low barrier to entry jobs but youtube hadn't been invented. So they drove taxis, lots and lots of taxis. Meanwhile, fewer people could afford a ride and as I was taught by a monopoly educating me about the danger of monopolies when this line goes up and this one goes down prices fall. And drivers get angry like violent protests in the street. Angry. So New York City wrote the Ha's act. Now to legally operate a taxi, you need one seventeen thousand licenses called medallions the Golden Age for drivers came from regulating competition. The same regulation guber spends millions of dollars fighting going back to the days of high competition and low prices. But why but why what happened to taxis in New York when the APP based company started coming in? Let's go back to my interview with. MIRA. She was already fighting fight without a borough or green taxis when the ride hailing APPs started to come in. So here you have this like really tumultuous time where there's constant pushing against the agency from what we thought was sort of the biggest gorilla in the room, the yellow medallion industry suing and lobbying in pressuring, and by the time all the dust settled and the the the the law was upheld. The rules that we pass a establish. This outer borough service was upheld we were in twenty thirteen and the first. Year of green taxis was a tremendous success everybody loved them. They could hail a taxi in their neighborhood and you started to see this new service come in in the used credit cards and you didn't need cash and ironically in. This is when Travis County was still appearing because it was a small enough company. They wanted to come into taxis. I will not let the taxi passengers use this APP and the the way it'll work is the driver will just enter in the fair and there'll be no problem at the end of the ride. The customer will say, okay, the driver entered in the right fair and good to go We all felt kind of uncomfortable about. Off meter trips through an APP and you know. had. No idea. There was this level of public trust and there was contracts already out there for the in taxi technology that allowing Uber. To come in would probably. Violate so the answer was no and there was lots of You know name calling and you're close minded and we should allow them in taxis and But ultimately, you know they looked around and said, well, we'll find another spot in this industry to be in because it's a huge market and they went into the more traditional for higher industry where they had to establish a base and they had to still meet all the requirements, all the drivers who work through have to meet all the. Requirements that every other driver has to meet. That makes New York City a little different than most other cities in the United States and the same with the cars they have to be inspected an uber came in and operated within the existing regulatory system in New York City, and they were at I really just a high end luxury service and a lot of drivers flocked to them. Especially, a lot of taxi drivers they go on. On working through years of sort of abuse by the garages where they would be. Given bad cars. It'd be charged fees they'd be shorted their pay, and now this company was coming along saying you never have to deal with the garage again. You know we'll help you finance a brand new SUV. It's all yours. You don't even have to paint it yellow so you can use it for other stuff and we'll pay you a lot more and so you can see in the sort of migration of drivers this whole group of long time taxi drivers, religious moves over, and they make an investment they by the SUV and the first year or so I think they were thrilled. So as you've just heard in New York Uber came in and agreed to play by the rules or so it seemed. And what I thought was even more interesting they actually could have done something to create a better business model in the private hire car sector one that might benefit drivers This seemed to be the case in South Africa to. The traditional taxi companies were notoriously on safe and constantly at war with one another. Couldn't do benefit from taking the high road being the good guys who actually respected the laws. Here is what the Capetown Uber General Manager had to say on that news twenty-four clip that we played earlier. I, mean I think it is a case of of regulation lagging innovation I mean we we certainly not the first and I'm sure we won't be the last but. We. We we want to engage with the city we want to engage. We've got a huge amount of value that we cannot beyond the service. I mean we we we've got a huge amount of data that is valuable to cities. But we can share and I think we just WanNa be we want to be an option that is available to them and one that can complement the existing. Existing options in terms of public transportation. Well, that sounded pretty reasonable. But how did it actually work out? I asked Mira and found out that while Uber was playing nice and everyone was doing just fine for a little while the taxi commission was about to face it's real battle and it was with another upstart lift. I remember in the summer I think it was the summer. I might have my months strong at some point somebody called until you know this company lifts GonNa come in and they have no plans of getting licensed by you and they're just gonNA come in and defy the TLC. So, I I said, well, we have to have we have to be prepared for this. So we thought we'll on to be prepared on fronts one. We're GonNa let the drivers know that if they take any rides from this company lift they will it's an illegal ride and so they'll lose their license and the cars that are used for illegal street hills are subject. To seizure so the car can be seized and you won't get it back So there was that sort of warning to drivers but I also said, we need to proactively sue lift get an injunction because you know in the the the enforcement route is a route, but it's not preferable because WHO's less carrying all the consequences of that illegal conduct is the driver. Not The company so much. but in litigation where you could get seek an injunction against the company from taking a certain act, then we're actually going after the right actor. So there was a push for lift to come in a lot of social media blitz. A lot of canvassing with passengers lift coupon here drivers you should start throwing parties for drivers opening up welcoming centers, lot of lobbying with sort of city. Hall saying you know there's there's no reason we shouldn't come in. This is ridiculous were offering a really good service everybody else in the country likes it. Why're you stopping US and I? Felt you know a lot of pressure to defend my belief? The belief that I still maintain is that if they're standards for how you transport people, they should apply to everyone I don't care what you. Company it is I. Don't care whether you're hailing by hand I don't care whether you're handling by your phone and it doesn't matter whether you pink or black or whatever color you say represents companies the same so. They're really came to a point where they said okay. Today we'RE GONNA.
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"So as I've said, that was back in January of this year, and then everyone went home again. And within a few weeks all our countries started going into lockdown to halt the spread of Corona virus. I stayed in touch with all the main organizers throughout the past few months, and to all of our surprise. Despite the incredible hardships, drivers are facing right now. They're doing more organized than ever. This was especially remarkable. Because as GIG workers, they were ready overcoming the challenge of being isolated of not having any natural way to find and see and talk to each other now with social distancing and even greater isolation. How could they keep doing it? Nicole in Los. Angeles gave me some further insights. You all are continuing to organize. Even in the face of some of the worst. Times economically that we have seen since the Great Depression talk a bit about what you've been able to do. Because you really have been amazing, you know you guys have kept at it and it's very inspiring. I think people need to hear about that. We're I aren't with I, mean. The the corona virus has been devastating who drivers I'm basically our rights have dried up You know I also offers service that Kids to and from school, and like there is in school you know. That's gone. and you know in terms of burned lift ride. I mean where you get dependable long rises from the airport. There are no fights coming in and out like maybe five or six flights a day from one of the largest airports in the world right who people people can leave their driver epsilon all along and maybe get. Two or three rides I mean people are reporting sixty or seventy hour week and bringing in. Less than a hundred dollars, so there is no work And so people are trying to make and they're saying. Well Yeah and so you know I, mean the thing is now that airport drum. I ride their right up. The rights that are left are transporting. healthcare workers in from the hospital. And then you know honestly a lot of people choose Uber and lift over Over other kinds of transportation Can need to go to the hospital. So it's, it's A. It's a horrible horrible problem, so when I will say that any driver that can gotten off the road. And you know? People have pivoted to food, delivery and stuff like that. I mean I'm getting messages I. I just got a message in somebody that we're trying to help. We're getting the unemployment and we got a really good process for people online. It's been really helpful, but then. In the end there's still people stuck without benefits right and I had somebody right who said look? My situation is so difficult. My Kids are hungry. I'm starving like that's what they're saying to me and we're trying to get them help through the state of California So you know I just you know this is on the shoulders of lifting Uber who are not only a lot. you know so so that's that's one of things going on right now. We're definitely dealing with the fact that you know drivers don't have maybe you know. Basically you know Uber's now requiring drivers to wear a mask, but not providing him and then but you know a mask is not enough for a car How do you get a a plastic shield between front and backseats and You know that's all on the driver's again. WHO HAVE NO MONEY IN THEIR? In their hands at the same rate is just ridiculous, so so that's that's the. You know Kinda Corona virus crunch, and you know through all this with with amazing is. We're all still connected and we've been able to do Some actions we did. Some caravans on both the unemployment insurance offices as well as state, and I mean. It's an incredible what drivers have been able to accomplish, and there's so much energy such a great group of people and you know people are continuing to build their own union. While going through all this. It was surprisingly hopeful to hear Nicole talk about everything. They were able to do to assist drivers at this difficult time, and also that they were reaching more drivers than ever. The social isolation we'll come back to that organizing a that in the US but I want. Take you back to India, I. Jud had built up a powerful network of drivers in south India. And in episode, four also introduced you to on Kuta, an organizer from another Indian city Mumbai. Just to remind everyone, jude and on had succeeded in bringing together drivers from all over India back in December of two thousand nineteen. Remember India is the second most populous country in the world and people speaking dozens of different languages, so bringing people together with no small feat. Listeners might remember a snippet of my interview with on in episode four. I went back to him just very recently to find out what the national. Federation is able to do at this time, and also to ask whether it actually made a difference to have been part of that global meeting in January. We find ourselves in our in a very very I would say the ambition and situation. where? Incomes as you. Of Gad's have totally stopped. There's not a single cabbage is lying across India on any of the roads that people who are lying on emergencies, but that's that is very very special guest, not even about point one point, two percent of the cavs up like India, so for the past almost fifty five to sixty days. The incomes as you know. These savings are depleted. Yes, yeah, and that reminds me I mean one when we met. It had been a very exciting time just a few months ago because you were able to launch I fat. I would love if you could talk a little bit about. In this moment has fat, been able to continue to organize, it sounds like you've been able to continue an and. Can you just talk a little about how the organization is doing now and what it's been able to? Share, disobedience that fact formed in the month of November December. Cousin, nineteen and fat has been very successfully. been able to Gonesse or some across states in India so many states game together the unions from different states in together before my fat. FAT has lead a great rule in himself. Lead in the drive committee on a national scale. Now it is important that we I fact and it could to a level where. The number that we talked about you know who, in house three million. Each each of the each of the driver of. A member should be able to relate and understand about the. Fact is true and I think the. Jovan I find sent to affect has written street to the Transport of Union Transport Minister Senate.
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"This door. If your will is, so, let's talk about how long policy changes taken the state of California, because these are internal policies that are affecting us every single minute. they promised to do a follow up meeting with us that they were going to work on it and implement some of these changes. This was a year ago and nothing's been done since. Let me take you to one other country. where the driver's got pushed to a breaking point and started organizing in mass numbers, and that's India. Remember when you hear these numbers that this is India a country with a billion people were. Nothing happens on a small scale. And we'RE GONNA. Meet someone. We haven't spoken with yet almond. Khuda who is an organizer based in Mumbai India. So the drivers came to a posse where it is either maintain a car your family. SCALE RISE TO A lot of pressure. This gave to a lot of none of instances where there's so many rival suicides which came in. The pressure of giving you know being the banks. Because everything but a bank you might cannot wage and the woman three months down the line. If you break your mis, the banks just to come and gone to ski directors. and. These one bagels one confiscated. The driver on the camera loses all the rights in the car. So. He has no choice but to feed discarding the bank. An intern. These cars are going back to Orlando Bor as they leased car, business. Game that's the biggest dirty game which is happening across. The same drivers who used to own the cabs a now being lured by Orlando learn into the least business. OUTTA point of time they'll owning the cavs today. They are bonded labour. An Uber. Let's start with the story that we're talking this morning. Where and Uber Cab drivers and announced a nationwide strike starting from today that indefinite strike has been called by the Maharashtra. Von To say. That the drivers in Delhi Bengal and other urban cities are expected to join in the strike. I was interested in interviewing on him because his union successfully pulled off one of the biggest driver strikes anywhere in the world in Mumbai India. That was in two thousand eighteen, and you've just been listening to a news clip from W. I. O. N. News in New Delhi. After that strike took place. I, heard. They're organizing snowballing. In fact, I heard that late, one, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, they had launched a new nationwide federation of drivers. How was that even possible given that there was no single workplace or way to reach these drivers? Let's hear more from on. How did you build up? To An historic moment that you had in December and the formation of the federation, absolutely what led to former the for? Let me tell you in two thousand, eighteen, the devaluation north India. Incomes have gone down to six eight, nine, hundred these okay. They had blacklisted about five thousand drivers blacklisted Goddamn reason. Assemble reason is an argument with the customer and he gets blacklisted. which led us to unite drivers across across Mumbai? and. Get onto the to the biggest ever strike which an all-out whereas faced in its history. There was thirteen d blockage. No single cab was allowed to be out of applied on Mumbai Roads. And we did it successfully. We've talked. Do cuss customers. We educate them as to why doing so. We talked to drag words as to what is a need for them to unite, because unless the united nobody in all our ruber Arafat's D'Amato sweetie. which a food delivery applications is going to bother about them or their lives? This is what exactly let us let us to the strike of thousand eighty. IT IS A. Blockbuster success how many drivers how many people were involved about a hundred thousand drivers back to it one hundred percents success. Okay so you started in Mumbai with this major thirteen day actually lutely and. The media got attention and we got to know that people in India in different parts of the country, actually working silos. The problem faced a similar in dwindling incomes nor respect no dignity of labor, no No chance to get back into life. And many of them were again thinking about. The ultimate route which is the suicide? So, we wanted to educate people make them aware of their rights, so we talked to people. We talked to unions across in Delhi. Jabareen declined you or did you reached out? Or how did you find you reached out? Social Media Use the social media platform very beautifully effectively wherein. We got connected through. Various parts of India found us. We found them. We shook shook Hanson. STARTED, talking to people in Delhi Lucknow. Knock were. Cities like Hyderabad. Bangalore Mangalore Down South Chennai. I had about Dillingham and as we speak about. We got we got involvement from all of these people that everybody is facing seemed flak. I have to admit when I started this project of interviewing drivers around the world I thought I would just be getting a bunch of stories about what it was like to work in the GIG, economy. I really had no idea so much. Organizing was going on, and I was fascinated as i. heard these stories, the issues were so similar. They were issues. The companies could fix if they wanted to. But, with the drivers unable to build collective power globally, it was unlikely the companies would ever feel sufficient pressure. When I first met test last year, I asked her what she thought of the prospect of linking activists across countries. She laughed and said it would be really difficult, if not impossible, but at that point she hadn't yet met yet seen. And Yaseen had this crazy idea that it might be possible to get organizers together from all over the world. Yes so there was some kind of stuff so the next thing. Will I always wanted to have this international thing because I knew Dr was. One on meet one another they want to be. We all feel isolated like who me it was like. It's only me by deaden quite, and I'm GonNA loose and I'm fighting a company Louis. But I knew if I put everyone together we work, and this is exactly what we've done with you. For example weigh in eight different cities. So at first we started off in London. We then moved off to like a dictator of having like McNamee's. Lead guys across density that motivates and supports each other. And now the purpose behind look. You know we all got the same issue, but we think it's different, but it's not exactly the same issue. And you could see pat how these companies Luebbe behave it all is designed to come in its own is make money than before you know it is ex-. Exploiting, you thought juicing. The fans thought increasing the commission in every single as many drivers. That can you see that is just spoke was on muscle. You could see how. A protein. Your data like episode starts changing. You see that investors exactly what happens in each city. Don't say if Uber let's say launching new country will be completed, and they'll like it, but over time you start seeing that pattern now. It's hard and it's like. Let's look at the Internet to line so I was so unlike. For example, let's just take Canada like. John I didn't know he just from before. I had not so I when UFC new. Launch some kind of action against Guba which was lost year some last year, so I knew something happened. But I could not reach out to any of the drivers in. Canada and I've been looking for them on. FACEBOOK have been trying to get.
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"Well. We doing anything. By this point test and her colleagues were clearly fed up. They were risking their lives to drive for Uber in the company couldn't even be bothered to look at their list of demands, but it got even worse. The organizers told me how they were harassed and intimidated after this initial action, but they didn't back down. They organized even more drivers. They went back to the Uber. Office in Johannesburg with the memorandum, and with hundreds of drivers behind them, locking the area around Uber's office. Here's what happened next. Off To, they wouldn't accept how memorandum. And we been went back with the police and. If you go with the police, they have to accept your memorandum, but they wouldn't accept the memorandum. They eventually A. General Manager from Capetown and. One of the legal representatives came out and they wouldn't sign for it. They took it and they said Oh will will bring this to our next roundtable discussion. Burt we not signing for tweet? RECOGNIZER does a memorandum. So We had a whole. Bunch of drivers are pretty angry. And then the police came and they. Really wanted us to disperse, but the driver's didn't want to dispose so eventually they landed up. Promising that they were going to facilitate a meeting between Uber so the driver's wind very with it, but in good, we dispersed. So. Uber was supposed to. Come back to us while the police were supposed to come back to about setting up a meeting and the headline of the Monday evening and They hadn't come back to us so. Again we formed. We're headed protest outside the office. Just by the way do you remember when was all? I would say I'd have to look better to sometime early middle of two thousand sixteen. So, The. The police eventually brought uber to the table. Because you know, they had no choice because the police were saying. We contact these drivers here. So. We winter meeting. With the police facilitating a goober still would not make us at all stored and recognize a memorandum. So it was just something that they had no option. But. So yeah dot to dot Grayson at what happened was the first time that we blocked the office. The press descended and so one of the things we said to the praise was. Uber doesn't like it when you when you speak out against them, and what they do is they deactivate us? Uh, even tomorrow morning. We don't know whether we'll be able to go online. We could be deactivated so by saying that. Can I PUT UBER INTO A corner? Because if they did deactivate us then we could just go to the praise and say. Yeah, we told you we'll be activated. So the press coverage and the way we handled the praise like really helped us. Not Be able to be deactivated and then also because we had built up like a good database in a good following, that was just couldn't afford to you know have. To three hundred angry people at the does L.. Let's go back to Rebecca in San. Francisco as you'll hear drivers in San. Francisco were figuring out some of the same lessons. That test is group had. So we got over. Six thousand signatures for the petition. How did you get the signatures We circulated the petition online facebook social media talking outreaching with drivers getting their email sending it to them. And then we also did it on. A, what's the name of that website? Oh. Not co-worker dot org, but it's something. Yeah, let's find it doesn't matter. Website that help that hosted the petition for us. That has a larger audience so kind of like a gofundme me kind of type of thing where there's you can put your own, but there's other people's stuff, too, and so other people could see that petition on there and sign sign on to it now and so we attempted to deliver it I to headquarters. And the day that we went to deliver it. They. Were aware that we were coming somehow. And had security lined up in front of their building. Well, we tried to go around the security to go into the front desk. Just drop off the petition. There was only maybe ten people there. It's not like we came with a swarm of four hundred drivers trying to. Bum Rush into the building right. There was ten of US trained to deliver this petition. and as we tried to walk in the door, one of the security guards actually body slammed one of the drivers and that. The media caught onto that, and that that clip of him getting body, Simon Deck and making National News. which unfortunately, but fortunately right was good media coverage for us right to again help get get the name out there of Gig workers rising and what we're doing that. There's actually an organization out there. That cares about drivers and is willing to fight for drivers. WE! We weren't successful at delivering it to Uber. A few like a week later, we delivered it to lift, but we gave lift a heads up letting them know that we were coming and that we would really like to speak with somebody. They sent down a driver representative to speak with us when we arrived, who was clearly a lift corporate employees? But said that he was also a driver, and so he wanted to listen to us because he understood what we were going through. And what are you day to day? Lives kind of look like. Again it seemed like. Very rainbows and UNICORNS and everything's great and. Kind of messaging coming from this PR person, they sent downstairs and you know lift is great at PR and the and keeping their reputation, looking nice and shiny and pink. But the I I will give credit where credit's due. Lift was the first one to send somebody out to actually speak with US regardless of who that person may have been, but through that petition delivery we actually were able to set a meeting with some of the VP's at left to to discuss it further which did happen. We did end up having a meeting with about twelve drivers and three VP executives from from lifts office, regarding deactivation, and did they. They, have any proposals, or did you have any proposals? Did you move anything floor? we had proposals from the petition in and of itself that outlined what exactly what we were looking for her to change on their deactivation policies the very sincere when they were listening to us in our stories, and you know all of us have having faced some sort of false deactivation before and how that impacted us. and they were saying that these are great ideas and this, and then they tried to spin and say well, you know. In California, policy takes a while to go through. And I. She must have not realized that. I'm I have a masters of public policy. And so he looked at her. And I said you know this is internal policy. Not California St Policy and you can change this from the moment you walk out.
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"Uber and lift drivers went on strike today several cities. They say they're struggling investors. On. You. You. Sounds, you hear the sounds of St actions around the world by? Kenya Indonesia the United States Chile. And there have been so many more Bangladesh Brazil Nigeria France Canada. I heard about so many protests in so many cities during the time. I've been working on this project. I believe drivers or organizing spontaneously in many countries. But all in the face of the same problems. Although I've only been able to meet a handful of these organizers. Their stories like all do have a bit in common. Let's hear more from Yaseen in London. Before in October before we were into high court in two thousand, eighteen, million James and we had a meeting drives look so fed up. We want to do this. So we all as a committee agreed to protests. And and people were saying. How could you do a strike? Protest when you not athlete physically outside the workplace. We said look we saw about, and we said look. It's up. We're going to tell everyone not to cross the picket line by turning on the whether you drive and we put a tree Please do not cross the digital picket line. Yeah don't be a SCAB. Way To strike on this date. Don't log off. We're going to be a protest outside. Who was office? Yeah, and that while everyone kept saying digital picket line this how you fight is something new? And that was massive. We protests in Birmingham in in in like many Glasgow in London. Side London office. We had about two thousand drives there. On social media, when so crazy like everyone thought it hush tugging use strike. we had about three four thousand and. On that tweets. Just massive, yeah! For I'm now, everyone is doing something similar with I to kick it off and like this is how you fight back with the economy. I am bomb a threat and you're listening to episode four of the GIG You're scene was one of the first drivers in the UK to join Uber and he had quite a ride. She loved the platform at first and convince lots of his friends to join it. then. He got deactivated. Then as we learned in the last episode, he actually got sued by the company because he showed a journalist how Uber had looked the other way while drivers uploaded fraudulent documents. Lately as we've just heard. He's taken to organizing collective actions to get the company to change. But why did drivers feel like they had to take to the streets? For a lot of drivers I met this year. It seems like it starts out with them, just wanting away to speak up when unfair decisions are made. In this episode, we're going to go back to a couple of drivers. We met in earlier episodes. Rebecca Stack Martinez in California. And test one chick from South Africa. will also meet someone new on the Kuta from India. Together they helped me understand all the little things that led to this wave of strikes and protests around the world. Well I expected. Know A. A basic. BASIC SUPPORT! System for their drivers. Like for example like a call center, or some- somebody that I could call and discuss any issues or questions or problems that I was having when English driving with lift initially, I had to make a few phone calls to them, and they were very responsive and seemed very helpful at that time. The further and longer started driving and I. would run into new or different issues. I felt like that support system. That's call line became less and less available harder to get a hold of somebody. They didn't reach you back and when they did. It was like they were giving. You very scripted answers like almost as if they weren't really listening to what my issue was, and they'd just like picked. Oh I'm GONNA give this response, right? And so it was really frustrating I felt like. Okay, I'm really. I'm all by myself, and even this company who I'm out here. Making money for can even help me. There's nobody there to talk to and what we're like. Look, look some of the issues that were coming up that you would have asked for help about one of the biggest issues wise. After I would complete a trip. My Fair would be calculated incorrectly. And, so I call them and say hey. I'm missing about ten miles from this trip. which is significant? I'm and I wasn't going to just let that go. And they were like. Oh, well, we'll investigate and then let you know. And it was like I, would have to continuously follow up which was for four dollars, but by the time I spent an hour working on it. Was It really worth me to Nag about four dollars, not really other issues that I would run into. was minors trying to use the APP which is against the lawns? Do State of California so if you're under the age of eighteen, you have to be accompanied by an adult, and if you pull up as a driver and take them, that's a huge legal risk and liability, right? And so I wouldn't take them, and you're supposed to. As a driver report, those writers as underage minor so tech what they claim that they do is they deactivate those accounts, which is unfortunately not true. So I would call and. Call and say hey, this was a minor. Let them know what what was happening with that and I and I felt like they were like. Oh Okay and as I'm sitting there on the phone with them I'm I like okay? We're GONNA. Do what we do with. Deactivate the count I'm watching this minor. Get into another rideshare car. You know so. Don't feel like they were listening or really even cared, and so you said one of the first things that you all took on. Was this deactivation problem because you thought it was going to be an easy problem? So what happened, so what we did is we created a petition asking for the companies to meet with US and discuss their deactivation policies. And the demands on the deactivation petition was wanted clear transparent policies around deactivation specifically what gets you deactivated? And what is it clear? Fair just process for getting reactivated right like have a driver advisory board or something that I can go sit in front of her. Speak to or email Mike my side of the story to because it's also been happening as passengers are learning that they could get free rides if they falsely accused the driver of wrongdoing, so if they say oh, my driver was driving under the influence or might driver ran a red light something like that We immediately get to deactivated and they get a free ride, and so there's a lot of false accusations out there unfortunately. That are happening and so what we wanted from this petition was to have a meeting with these companies some figure out a way that we can make these deactivation policies more just and fair for the drivers who it's affecting. I couldn't help but being struck by similarities between Rebecca Story and what I had heard from testimony chick who had organized her fellow drivers in Johannesburg South Africa. Deactivation seem to be a big problem everywhere. And another big problem for everyone seemed to be safety. The company simply wouldn't take responsibility for the safety of their.
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"And we're the fair set. We were talking a little bit about that earlier to were would could any taxi set its own fair, or would they regulate it? The taxi fear was regulated, not taxi permit system. And that stage was when Uber came to Cape Town. It was thirteen random per kilometer. An Uber came in with Uber Black. Promoting Guba black only at eleven rancher kilometer. that. While circumventing all -regulation beat the national. Transportation Act the the Labor Act. human rights X. over just broke every low in the book to establish himself in the city. And why were they allowed to do that? If? We look at South Africa's history of corruption over the past twenty years. It's easy to tell. That the government officials were bought into the Uber System and were put on the payroll. Even your media houses. In in Cape Town they are all part of the Uber clan, because they get free rides promotional rides, they get driven all over the show without paying so they promoting guber. So you're saying. Uber came in here with a lot of money to throw around absolutely. Have the money. You have the power what they did was they looted the existing taxi. Meet the taxi, Onus Adad legitimate. Licenses and permits to operate the taxi services. And sold the concept to them. They then bought into that concept, and that is our who got the foothold in the taxi industry. unbeknown to these texts operators that they walking right into a threat, and in the meanwhile like you said you, you know if you drive a taxi, there is a regulated fair. What did the city have to say about the fact that suddenly Uber is coming in with your barracks and this much lower affair. Lily let's put it this way because it looks like the city officials and politicians were all in cahoots, with Uber because for the first year that Google was in operation in Cape Town. Of the vehicles were impounded. For Driving Without Dexia licenses man. Impoundment only started in twenty fifteen in January of twenty five. Win. Tactic officials clamped down on. The GUBER Operation Because of the dissatisfaction of the meet a taxi drivers complaining about Uber Running Roughshod. Over him in the transport industry breaking every law in the book. To establish themselves, so we had quite a few taxi-wars. From taxi metex your parameters and Uber drivers in two thousand fifteen. The taxi companies really started pushing back even though they had kind of helped to. Bring these fleets into the market in the first place. So can you just describe what those taxi wars were about what what was being fought over? The main battle was. That? The meet the taxi. Drivers were complaining to government that they have to comply with the National Transportation Act in terms of providing taxi permits to vehicles on the road. And Uber was allowed to operate without those permits. The fight was would government firstly. That allowed Uber to operate illegally. And then the deck was launched Uber Drivers. That we are operating illegally. And we had many threats. Lot of taxis were burned. And damage during those proteced. But. I think over eventually one. Traditional taxis in Capetown were organized. An Uber started to cut into their business. They pushed back. South Africa is a violent place. I talked to organizers around the country. In Johannesburg one organizers told me how taxi companies had to be tough. and. They were not about to let. Upstarts disrupt their business without a fight. But where was the government in all of this? Derek described how city traffic officials crackdown drivers, impounding vehicles and charging exorbitant fees to drivers. Throughout this period though Uber seemed to remain blissfully above the law. Its business model never faced scrutiny even while the city of Cape Town racked up millions of rand by impounding drivers vehicles. So now, let's move to new. York City and I'd like to introduce you to Mirror Joshi. She was New York City's taxi and Limousine Commissioner. New York. City taxis were powerful and possibly even stronger and better organized than in Cape Town. And unlike in Cape Town, they had a strong city government behind them I got a job running security at nyu and three months into the new job I get a call about. The taxing limousine. Commission, and would you like to be chair of the taxing Limousine Commission and I said Yes, knowing full well all of the troubles that you know not knowing the complete gamut of troubles that would face me, but having a good idea of what kinds of troubles already existed in the industry. Flood is the New York taxi and Limousine Commission. That's a good question. I'm not every city has one of these. The New York City taxi. Limousine. Commission is A. Government Agency that was set up with the sole purpose of setting regulations for the industry, and the industry is yellow taxis today it's Uber and lift historically was your it still is today your local car service high end luxury limousines commuter van. Some people know them as dollar vans, Para transit vehicles which are like private ambulances, so all told it's about two hundred thousand vehicles and would today it's about two hundred thousand and this agency is as six hundred person agency which has a couple of different responsibilities one. You gotta set policy, said all the rules that these industries have to live by otherwise they can't be licensed, and they can operate in New York City number two. You have to Make sure that the drivers and the vehicles meet standards, so the drivers are all vetted. They've criminal background tests. They're fingerprinted. Their drug tested their driving. Record is constantly monitored. It's treated as it is. It's a skilled profession, and so all the drivers in New York City, are considered professionals and have to live up to professional standards, and the vehicles also have to live up to standard so there's an entire inspection facility in Queens where all these vehicles have to show up a few times a year and they. They undergo two hundred point inspection by the TLC inspection officers, so the vehicles have to meet a standard. The drivers have to meet a standard New York.
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"One exchange that happened in that workshop between James and a driver from Philadelphia named Ali so I think uber tonight. Is profiling drivers. But. I've seen my profile yes. So I, what happened to one day, as I mentioned earlier in the session was I opened the APP one day that it was a whole field of performance factors about me in there. On the touch, inappropriate behavior instances acid shoot. Only. Between shoot. I mean it's a very American thing attitude. CHICAGO. But you know I had an asset shoot, but you know I suppose if Britain that could be a good thing. Good attitude. Ahead about I. Don't know attitudes. It appropriate behavior misty Ta's. Whole host of these performance factors like that similar in the fields of data I've shown you. You can see lots of things that are being tracked like on time. Time you late. So we can see. Those factors have been collected. Lots of stuff is being collected, but again we're not. We're not yet. It's processed and how people are profiled so I know they're just that profile about me, because I saw it and as soon as I challenged, it was like Lila. You didn't see it doesn't exist. That was a mistake that doesn't mean anything forget. We saw that. I know it's real. Because then I saw in the notes on the emails that they submitted in evidence tribunal that said. I'm touching inappropriate behavior tied to his profile because I don't know what else to attach now since we've since challenge them with the lawyer this. No, no, no, that doesn't exist, so we'll probably have to go to tribunal and say we know this exists. I. We've got have got nap and this will put Uber under a lot of pressure. Because when you go to tribunal of something like this, it's not a it's not a bargaining session it is. Have you been compliant or not compliant, and that's that's what the court will decide. What who was collecting as far as I'm concerned that you as the during deposition of kids. Goober lawyer asked me to do that. Why did you refuse this job? That particular job and I knew was standing in i. just remembered that Jar. Normally, you're GONNA, make a month ago. Job I said because there was some block it on the street and I couldn't go I. Don't have any job. My acceptance rate is I. always cancellation is. Sending you did refuse job because you weren't playing candy crush at that time. Accident means shortly the documentation everything that I was playing. Creepy right drivers themselves for learning and I was learning to that data is power. The company started off friendly to drivers board them onto the platform as partners and offered high rates. Then as I learned the used Al Gore rhythmic management to figure out new ways to pit drivers against each other and see how far they could push down rates. With this even legal. was there anything drivers could do about it and have so many questions? I've introduced you in this episode to some of the people who are helping me to understand more. Tests from Johannesburg. James and Yaseen from London. Rebecca and Lauren from San Francisco. We'll be hearing more from them about problems like deactivation. Misclassification. And control over information, and importantly we'll be hearing more about the ways. They started fighting for a better system in the next few episodes. My name is Bama a threat and thanks for tuning in to the GIG. I'd like to thank my producer John Ross. My Advisory Team Marina Colby TRAE Hester Amirah Tim Newman Evan. PAP and Alex Toma and all the people who generously shared their time for these interviews. Finally, thank you to open society foundations for their generous support for this project..