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Legal by Design - Being IoT Lawful from the Start

The Internet of Things (IoT) Show with Bruce Sinclai

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Legal by Design - Being IoT Lawful from the Start

"Coming out on these Sabbath side of the INC business show. Own. Team project to really need to have a warrior ball even at the design. It's an the camp. I'll give you three at a startup. was was doing a home. Automation system really focused on security. Yeah, and what happened is they decide? The system came to us, and we said you've got a major problem. And the other go back and substantially redesigned the whole, or they can relate so it's really important that you understand framework within which you're operating at the beginning, so you can take that into account. The business counterpart to Iot. Security is risk loosely defined as probability times liability. The current narrative around liability is centered on privacy, but it turns out that laws, regulations and cyber security in general are some of the elements in the IOT liability matrix. In this episode of the Iot Business Choice speak with Mark Radcliffe about the current Iot legal framework and the potential liabilities to address early on in the Iot. Product Development Cycle. This adds more on this episode of the. ANC Business Show. People, the business and the technology of the next generation Internet this is the is not inc business. And now he's your Heist Bruce Sin Cara. Hello and welcome to the ink business show. This show is made possible by sales on my book. Iot Inc published by McGraw Hill. And Iot inks certified IOT professional or Online training and certification program. Become a certified iot professional by completing the programs three courses. I C I. P technology I I. P business and I say peace, strategy and digital transformation. Details of which can be found at www dot IOT dash, INC DOT COM. That's www dot. IOT Dash I N. C. Dot Com. With me today on episode forty to is Mark Radcliffe. Mark is senior partner with the L. A. Piper. A global law firm with offices in more than thirty countries. He has over thirty years of experience in the Silicon Valley and his Co chair of the IT group within the firm, and he's also advising startups and global fifty companies on Iot issues. I read an Article Mark Rope for CIO review a little while back and thought he'd be a great guest on the show mark welcome thanks a lot. Bruce. I'm looking forward to it. So! We'll tell me what what's been the latest Ti ot. You've been up to lately. I've been dealing with Iot in the workplace where people are basically putting IOT devices on people, construction sites, and then taking the data proposed safety and monitoring perks, so that's the most recent. I obtain product I've been working on. Oh, that's interesting so. They're just. Is it Kinda like just measuring where where construction workers are going as the equipment? Is it all of the above well? It's a combination of measuring where they are. That Word Starts A. And then they're also. You know going to integrate with sensors on the equipment, so they can tell people are. Are Moving to close the equipment more that is probably going to be real time with the sensor a network. But you has to wait for the equipment to be censored up there. Speak Right near. Digitize her so right right right right, and is it just a regular construction, or or is it a particular type of construction? It's at regular construction and actually I'm working with one of the investors, and WHO's an insurance company. WHO's very interested in this product in order to cut down on accidents and make sure that they can find people of. An Act things like that. Don't make sense if they fall down with like some sickle or something like that or they get covered in rubble or something like that. Yeah Yeah I guess that's not so funny. Well tell me a little bit about yourself and your background in Iot, so I've been practicing insult. Evaluate attention for over thirty years. I, do a mix of work of. Intellectual Property Licensing as well as securities and corporate series I only new venture financing saga, five companies being financed right now. Okay, so I worked with a long days and I work with small companies Iot. Not is covering the entire map I have one country that is providing the backbone. The onstar service GM in. Another company that's providing middleware or Not Space and I working with large companies like this insurance company that are either doing projects or investing in key projects. So it's a very dynamic marketplace right now in Silicon Valley and actually around the world. The. You know the company on workplace. Miners located on the east coast. now. How long view how long have you been actually? How long has it been an Iot practice within your firm well, we officially spun up last. April but we've been. We've been dealing with this for some time. Iraqi. There are skeptics will say well. You know it's just a combination of cloud and sensors and. I think there's a certain things better than that. That's it's. There's a lot more to I mean it. Certainly, the pieces were all their, but putting the pieces together put it in making data driven. That is very recent phenomenon so. And as you can see from her website, we've had a number of webinars on this. Because it's a very interesting area. Basi- it. Both from the legal community business laundry you I think the most interesting IOT business model per dod is. What's called tires as a service zone other words I want to do you take tires? And you go to a fleet manager, and says we manager G. You know I'd really like to provide you tires and you need. Not just. Sell them to you, but I'll put the sensors on him and I'll tell you into into change them and you know basically your. You know it'll. You won't have to pay attention tires and the great thing entire company is you've converted sort of a semi commodity business into something. There's this subscription model. It's much tighter relationship with with your customer, and you know subscription models or what Wall Street love, so it's it's a win. Win Win! The reason I laughed. Actually I thought you said ties. Circles I've heard tires. Assertion is interesting because if you combine if you combine the tires as a service with GPS information. You can then map the quality roads for example, and that's you know that type of digital exhaust or in this case. I guess it's not a be. It'd be pre predefined, but it could be. It could be sold as you know sold to a completely different customer than you would than you would really expect yeah well. This is before not, but we had a client probably twenty years ago. Who basically made software to manage inventory? For use par par source, anthony what they discovered over time. Is that their? Database of what parts went on what automobiles actually better than manufacturers. Interesting, so they actually sold the information back to manufacturers. You know it makes sense I mean, and that's you know that's the interesting part like you said it's not just it is combining technologies I think from a technology point of view. Yeah, I mean there's there's a there's a Chinese menu of technologies that we piece from We source from to make an IOT system product environment whatever the case may be, but it's really then where it goes beyond that and I think what we'll probably be talking about is going to be the information you gather from all this. You know all these. Pieces of technology and what you do with them and and I think that is one dimension. Anyway, that's that is a big differentiator from what's been out there before. Yes I, think sure by data and with the new. Machine learning and some of the other big data analytics, the ability to feed back into the system. interperted system is something. It really is a different level than anything in the path. All right well Silicon Valley helping startups helping big companies. What something else that most people don't know about you? I love why many people know that but few. People know that actually made me online for a couple of years. Okay. And is that something you? Do you do with your own? Grapes are growing grapes is actually is actually interesting because I live in a suburb. Of The San Francisco Valley area, but one house. That's maybe two blocks from from our house three blocks from our house. They actually used their front yard to grow grapes, and they actually have his really small many vineyard, but apparently because I know someone who knows them where we're in a neighborhood. They can produce a few cases year just from the plants that are actually growing in the front lawn or you doing something like that or you actually buying the grapes. No such luck now I actually by the grapes. From maynard's cinema, I actually went to a place called crush bad which Stanley. Winter Bank compete couple of years ago, but they provided a complete winery as A service approach where? Okay where they bought the great for you, they had somebody do the processing of the grapes and they the processing, according to a former juvenile that about three four and you got. You got one at the end of, and it's actually during good once. I'm quite proud of that although I'm very sorry, the crush Brad went away because it's it's tough to do it all on your own. You need a lot of equipment and the old saw about. How do you make a small portion of wine business? Start with a large fortune is. Is Absolutely true I've seen friends. Who've? decided they want to wine country lines. Lifestyles introduced her dad. The wine country lifestyle is not a retirement lifestyle yet to actually go out and work, and it's tough, so yeah, no, that's true! ended the wine wine. Did you have any wine that lived a company? I think the. Wine that people tried. They've told me it's very good and I. I it myself so it is pretty good. I actually got. Bitten by the barrel, which is about twenty four? I didn't for about four years when I still have some of the white, but we drank a lot of it so I guess that indicates that it was a good quoi. For sure sure all right well, let's. Let's tip into into Iot and I guess I want to start with a softball here. I mean or maybe it's not a softball, but I think just just a bit of exploratory a question. What are the basic legal issues that managers should be? You know if they're planning and not business, what are the basic legal issues that they should be aware of not necessarily act on at least but at least be aware of in the context of their business. I think there are a couple of them on some of these are in the show magazine article. You mentioned so it's first of all cybersecurity. I think everybody pretty much. Critical privacy. That can. It's. It's dependent on the product for example making a product. For Home Security One of our client Internet privacy and deal with privacy's important, or you're making something for the Automobile Automotive Industry Privacy's. I'm if you're making just the late. That's going to go in A. Factory, probably less important but and There's a recent times article where a major manufacturer said. We're going to personalize the factory for. We're going to have waves dentistry. The person walked up to him. You're gonNA tighten all this other stuff well. That's great and I think that is probably the future, but you've now convert assure generic data that is know about who's using the lanes and things like that is not really balanced. Any regulatory regime in West called personal identifiable information. Now you know rank, which person was Appalachian which time what he was doing now that the hold of regulatory regime so no, and that goes to a point that I'll make a minute about how important is. The UNDERSTAN- the. Framework early on in the design process, but just to finish up on the the other issue about is also think about data and who's got home data was going to be able to use it and I think we're going to discuss that a little bit more later is that's a number year in? Software licensing important and violating regulatory particularly. If you're preamble, automotive industry or Health Industry Regulatory Framework there that you need to think about, and so, that's those are the big issues, and of course liability is important to that will vary depending on which industry. Now the regulatory I mean must dig into this a little bit. When you say regulatory, do you mean you mean just the laws with respect to particular industries, or as they pertain to Iot within those industries? If you know what I mean like the difference being is yeah, as it related to is not not. The existing legal framework well, the problem is. Very, well within the current legal from. I'm classic. Example is the automotive industry and in the last two months. We've seen a demonstration of the complexity I think we're GONNA see here, so the automotive industry is regulated at a number of levels. There's actually a gold treaty about bribers and driving in life although it's. Flexible, and then, and then the federal government for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration impose called a federal. Motor vehicle safety standards. And then each state determines who's a driver, what lie building the driver house, and those vary dramatically from state to state in one state? For example you driver has have one hand on the wheel. And so now, how do you fit a truly autonomous car that well? It's not that simple you just. We just had an early story. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. David twenty two page response to Google who said We're building a totally autonomous car. Years all get, we'd like you to consider are. Autonomous Driving, says Moore know sds the dry. Right and that read about that, and then the question is okay. So what does that Roy mean does the the other? All sorts of things zooms. The driver's human being well. You know if you're not. Thomas Carbon is supposed to be a manual for example. Requirement for manual break will. How do you meet that requirement? And you know just to give you an example. The challenges faced the at least the NHTSA say seemed to indicate that they okay. Hey, with having a car where the bribery was considered to be the. The Computer System Sat. In the state of California put out, there ranked TRONCON's ours, and they're requiring the licensed driver human being being the car. I'll talk now those craft ranks, but the point is what I think. You're beginning to see the complexity of winning. You know I'm not pretty. Thomas cars into the regulatory framework. Not Not, not saying there's impossible I mean we've seen. Any number of you know acknowledgee Advances being fit into the automobile regulatory framework. You know everything from lane keeping software to to software that maintains your your speed, but For an autonomous vehicle, there's GonNa be a bunch of issues that are gonNA. Come up, you know not. On the regulatory side, and then, of course there's liability side if you know. Vehicles in an accident who is responsible? The person sitting in a car is A. You're the people made a software as the car manufacturer events different? Software and Data. Those are all issues which are open in which going to need the work. within the context of these regulations in order to get the appropriate answers. Just remember you're talking about not just the federal government. That's the end in say, but you're also talking about. Each state and states are very jealous of their authority to. Out To basically regularly driving. yeah, now. This is gonNA show my ignorance a little bit, but I'm just thinking ahead and I'm thinking okay. An IOT car is a great example, and there'll be many others. How do regulation our regulations laws I mean? How are they change is what's the process for change to change a federal regulation or a State Base? You know here in the US anyway. A state based regulation wh what has to happen. That's actually during important distinction. Laws are the actual. Legal instruments that are passed by legislature or by the onerous. Regulations are generally passed by administrative agencies to interpret both. Now sometimes the laws for for broadly to the the administrative agency sometimes the. Laws are quite specific there, and maybe they get an extra level detail in relations, but regulations are things that are once again are managed by the administrative agencies, but they jammed up, but they can't go beyond the scope of the laws, so for example you know there are. There may be things that Congress passed in. The Federal Vehicle Safety Act that really can't be? Tied by the National Highway. Traffic Safety Administration. They have to be multi Congress certainly on the state side. The Tennessee is is you have a statute which determines who is a driver and that Pathfinder state legislature, there may be some regulatory interpretations. Then what's happening in California? But you can't go beyond what aunt? The state legislature didn't state of California actually passed a statute a couple of years ago saying. Here's the framework for plumbers call. Now State. Agency you go, DMV, you go out and get more detail, so they've published. Regulations for essentially test vehicle now publishing now they published draft regulation only heroes for. No. Vehicles on the roads in a regular fashion not in. Fashion. Okay, so, so if I understand this correctly, you're saying. There is a little bit of leeway within within the regulatory bodies to make modifications to adapt technology, maybe to adapt to to their local state constituents however is maybe not well. It depends on on how the laws are written. However, in some cases, they're bound by the law and tax you make. There's they're gonNA. Have to change the law and go even beyond just I guess working with with the regulatory bodies that are pointed. Yes, that's. Correct and once again challenge particularly in for example modern era. A number of areas are in the US. Because we have a federal system you have a federal level of regulation must implemented national highway. Traffic Traffic Safety Administration and then you have a state level, and the state level can be endeavor so or example. Back in two thousand six, the national highway, creepy an actual way traffic safety administration. Did Not require. AIRBAGS CIDER back nonetheless with there is an accident Texas where the airbags not deployed properly and the. The. State Court found the. The next, General Motors liable for that, even though they were not required by the NHTSA regulation and so in so NHTSA. Regulations can be thought of as sort of a floor of safety and states can go beyond that either to their home statue or A court made law I. Guess we should mention it particularly in the liability field most of the. Rules are set up in course they in others to court's. Decisions and that becomes president and then you. Further decisions rely on. In now, but that's not is. Is that the process of law them? No the prospect of change you change the law to the. Through the legislature. But, for things like liability, you know if you're if you're automobile. Hit somebody else. Most of that is what called judge made law in other words they state the state legislature may have imposed certain limit for example caps on. Pain and suffering damages, but by and large, you know the degree of liability you have in an act in a car. Accident is governed by. What happens in the courts? There's no statute gives us federal or the state level too okay. Okay. Well well. I'm just thinking about this from the perspective of our listeners, and during venting IOT products in many cases or components of IT products and I guess thinking ahead. If they're going to change the rules, break the rules they need to consider you know how these rules are going to change to accommodate their new invention. Now we've been talking. Automotive, space which I think. Is You know that's that's a that I? Think the two cases you just brought up about. The federal law identifying a driver, actually recognizing that a driver can be machine or system, and in the California law where yeah requires actually a person in there with a license, I think even need maybe a steering wheel. I can't remember but there's other there'd be other to be other industries as well I. mean one that comes to mind would be the. The Medical Industry you know I- Ot medical devices are either what other what other ones what other ones are we kind of affecting, or is it kind of everything well, and so I think this goes back to the point. I touched on earlier, but I think it's very important to make which is what designed an IT project. You really need to have. A lawyer involved even at the design stage and example I'll give you re at a startup that was doing a home Home Automation System. Really focus on security and what happened is they designed? The system was fine permit injuring point who came to us and we said you've got a major problem because this does not imply privacy law and the go back and substantially redesigned whole system before they released. And so it's really important that you understand the framework within which you're operating at the beginning, so you can take that encounter design decisions. The example I mentioned earlier was the person you know they'd company that said. We're GONNA make a laid. That is personalized where you walk up moonball suddenly you know by doing that. You're in a different set of regulations, but to your point you're probably you know. There are some industries where this may not have as much of a and FM BOB for example of you're working on the factory floor. If you're not personalizing in seeking, tell who is what place what time that's pretty much wide open healthcare as you know is a very regulated area, has its own separate privacy law called Hiba, and so you have to think very carefully about how design Various. Products for that industry can fit into it because the problem is in the, and this is a problem also in the energy industry, the lease of people in the energy industry in particular, very very focused on reliability, and so you know I've worked a lot of companies in the space now. They got this great invention. It's GonNa make. Electricity to learn this much more efficient they take. They take it to large companies. Say Well. Have you tested for two years? Guys like you. It's a very very different mindset and so I. Think as people think about this, and I think in the case of Iot in particular where you're talking about infrastructure projects with maybe in place for long time you really need to think about. How are you going to deal with us? In the future, one example would be that for example Airbus not necessarily team, and says they actually prefer have their third party. Suppliers give them a provide the software for their components in Oakland in an open source way, which means the search that's available, and the reason is. They said look when we are making a plane from you know from design. To, let know the last point in service is for years, so it's very difficult to find even proprietor companies that are going to be around that long Sir so as you so as you think about your product, and what industry you're you're. PLANNING TO A. Market of to you need to think about their issues. You know in frankly if you're. If you get an infection. That's great. That's like an annuity, but you need to think about how you. How the players in the industry are gonNA view about integrating this into their prox-. No that's that's an interesting point. I mean. You know I promote security by design, and you're to a certain extent where you're promoting as law by design in the sense of yeah, before you go to too much further beyond the initial design pass it. Pass it by someone that can continue the Lille around vacations for it now you know now I'm thinking practically so I've worked startups. I worked for larger companies in larger companies. We we had law. Firms that were on retainer, and they had a whole bunch of different skill sets within within the law firms themselves when it worked with smaller companies are. CEO's and startups we had some relatively smaller law firm so that made just a couple lawyers of their now. So what's the best practice here I mean. Is it something you can just go to your general practitioner, and and get a lay of the land they can be point to if necessary somewhere else or or our listeners actually going to have to go to a law firm initially, that is focused on the law around Iot. So I I think you need to decide which market you're jacking and decide how how regulatory encounters but I if you're doing anything in the automotive industry or in many of the Iot Industries, I think you need to go Wa- firm that has an Iot practice. Although we were I never a couple more, but the because the combination skill sets you need is quite broad and more I. Mean for example you know. Even I'm the charity Iot practice I would never give somebody advice on cybersecurity chips. They talk my colleague over here, so you need to the skillset you need in a facial Prada or potential Amino cybersecurity. Privacy so therefore licensing for data, ownership and use, and then potentially rig aboard. And those are you know once again? You can find those in law firms, but you gotta find the Right Law Firm. A general practitioner now even though I'm a specialist I. I've been doing this for thirty years I would not want to be advising somebody on security, and once you make some of these design decisions. It's very difficult to go back one. Yeah okay well. Yeah, and again they have things have to be practical also. For a startup, they they can't necessarily afford one of these. You know. One of the few IOT security legal firms in the country, but at least they could do is run it by their attorney, and then get advice as to. How are you I don't think again. My experience also with attorneys is. They're not going to take on any extra liability if they don't have the knowledge of YOU'RE GONNA. Say to them. Will you guarantee? With our Cybersecurity, our privacy, our data usage unless they're pretty confident. They're not going to say yes, right. Well you certainly hope that. Have, been around while understand. Their limit, but I will take a little bit with your idea can't go to the law firm to mean you're very robust. started practice I. Work About Thirty started sending one time of if you're if you're serious about this, and you know frankly if you're going to get funded by either traditional disease or corporate VC's they're going to be one. Understand what you've done in these areas. So which do you may actually? Actually not doing yourself a favor if you don't think these through because I work on both the company side, although enough society further and on the investor side, and I can tell you. The investors are asking very tough questions about what about cyber security. What are you doing, privacy? What are you doing about? These issues and they may choose not to invest were to impose a lot of additional allegations on you. If you're not thinking needs through and so and so I think you'll find the brinkley, both in Silicon Valley most of the law firms, representing startups or a decent size and some. May. Not, but I think that I think you surely can flying companies. Of when I represent a number of your it focus, and were you know some of them are struggling financing? Some of got financing so. I! Think you just need to find a lot? Of these startup mindset as well as IOT experts. What type of budget then should start ups be putting away more. It might be the due diligence process to, but but what? What type of budget should start ups be putting away to to have this. legal by design. Roy Talk Question to answer because it varies dramatically from like the automotive industry or held Aaron to. The the people are doing stuff I for example A. Company to an IT automation of effect of the record four. Unfortunately I have to take depends A. Let? Let's use an example. For example at say is a home appliance. I have dryer an Iot dryer that I'm developing and I want to understand you know if I'm going to step on any legal toes. For something like that is probably. Sub Ten. Because you WANNA look at Cybersecurity WanNa. Let the privacy depends on how you implement stuff. Would not mayes the information, will then you're you're out of the? Various regulatory regimes and also depend on where you want to sell it I mean the regulatory regimes in the US are quite different from all sheriff fees, and you know we just saw the big blow up between the European Union and West. When your opinion they had a system of you're basically working with European Union data in the US or certification program. Chapter. Fifteen years was overturned by the European. Union and a good news is they've agreed to a new program like that, but you know in the interim, so you just have a part of it will depend on what your market is because rules in France or Germany or different US Pechanga. Yeah. You're marketing your geography. They'd be selling but I. think that that helps. I think that helps you know in terms scoping things as opposed to being you know completely abstract, and and what's interesting here and I think the other point is if you're going to be in an infrastructure and and I guess I wouldn't say automobiles infrastructure, but. But if you're going to be in automobiles or you're going to be in something, that's infrastructure base than you probably aren't going to be industries that are more highly regulated, and therefore you may require a little bit more advice. Zach kind of. Takeaway takeaway also you know something to students you away on May. Reduce the amount of bikes yet, so if you ensure that the information get. down won. The origins not keg. Digital well, then never yourself from a lot of regular version up right right? Yeah, no, that's a good by CPI I information just just using or capturing that or just keeping in that form, but but okay. I it's it's interesting because I've been covering both security and privacy, which you know are two different things and gentlemen were talking about legal issues. We're talking about privacy, but you've. You've indicated cybersecurity privacy data usage privacy data usage Well I, guess maybe just take us through. The differences because I. I could see privacy and data usage, being being pretty similar, although maybe I'm wrong and Cybersecurity, being something different, but I. What are the? Let's start with cybersecurity. What are the legal issues? We've SPEC to cybersecurity that are independent of privacy cyber security on a lot. Depends on what is right now sort of all being standard of liability or protecting information and protect it and make sure that operate wage you, so you know one question would be what liability car manufacturer if you know the entertainment system, they put in the car allows. The happened some later. Accelerate car occasional. That's not private information. That's her cybersecurity or into the. That's a very different issue privacy now, October, but why is it but explain? Why is it different than privacy again well because? In that case I. Discuss which is okay awesome entertainment system. Came System. Put It noon on mobile gang you import. There's a hole in the security, so they you know somebody remotely takes control car credit. Okay. Okay doesn't make a difference in the car right right? Okay got it took on it. Okay? No, that's a good point Mr. that would be one example. And then also I think the. What practices are you using to maintain security because know one thing about sex? Is You know I? Think everybody agree is? It's not a point solution you need to get. You need to have a way of upgrading or time, because the threat will change change over him, and so have you done that or have you tried to move closed system? Have you for hampel the reserve recent report. By Open DNS about some of the problems in. Cybersecurity in in Iot particularly you simple things like the heart bleed. Problem with openness, Elton or people not fix it, so it's not just you know you've designed system, but having implemented update. Updating regime particularly for open source components which. May maybe part of your larger system, so that would. That's an example, cybersecurity and so. She said the risk of lap with privacy. When people say Cybersecurity, they generally think of somebody breach. You know data breach in the somebody state of been right, but there's obviously other, Portland security. So. Let me let me let me kind of just put a finer point or not. So cybersecurity obviously has been around for a long time I mean what's different in Iot would be the data in motion I I'm supposing so we we have data at rest and you know we want to use that entertainment system. At some point. Potentially the settings and presets were stored somewhere in a cloud in the public cloud, which means that some cloud some server. Server farm that's in some building data data warehouse in Nebraska. I don't know whatever, but it sitting there and and I would assume once it sitting there than the same cybersecurity liabilities for it. They're the same as the liabilities for whatever wherever the source of information is so good. Way The break it than what we're really talking about if we're talking about Iot that's. The data that's in motion, so the data's being communicated as being transferred potentially from in the case that we're using here from the automobile to that Nebraskan data warehouse is is that if we'd narrow it down a little bit more? Is that what we're talking about? No, I think it's broader than that. Because the cyber because the about Iot, particularly I would say operationalize not not something in receiving signals. That might. Somebody might be able to take control of the actual. Car Or. Let's say you've gotTA RUB on on a factory floor. If a tackle, somebody could take control remotely and then young plus it to go berserk right and right right now and then if you haven't put in place, you know a In a purpose level security than you could be liable for making it available to that hacking. That would okay. I would be the situation. Yeah I. Think I'm thinking about it again through a privacy Lens, but but really maybe the operative word here you know for for the Nubia think liability versus privacy liability is what we've been talking about on the cybersecurity side, which is something that that IOT opens up that hasn't been necessarily. Exposed in the past and privacy being what we'll talk about a minute, which is which is more, the dialogue I suppose but I guess but I guess this is interesting because we're teasing apart the two. The two issues and one is more focused on liability, and then we'll get into this one and again I'm generalizing, but one is more focused on liability and then than the other set. We'll talk about this on privacy. Is that a good way to kind of? compartmentalize it. There's liability on both sides of the. Question is what is the basis of liability and so? You're on the first of the. There's liability or I guess unanticipated operations of the equipment. Right for the. Nag Naggar in now. You're in a situation, so you're in the past. We go back a couple of years. You know if if the car manufacturer puts in place, for example a against right that's. Located on the side the stanmore case. Of Collisions. Even though the car manufacturers able to show that overall, the truck was safe another trucks and still they were there. They found liable for putting the and the gas tank on the side of the car. There's that type of liability for injury and property damage, and then the privacy. There's liability for breaching for not putting in place, appropriate measures for privacy, and then the results of that you know people getting credit cards in your name and all that other stuff, so that's there's liability on both sides, but it's but the liability rise in different ways I guess the word of. God No. No no I'm kinda getting. And just by the way you're kind of freaking me out, but Let's let's dig into more Let let's talk about than let's talk about privacy and data usage I mean generally were. Generally did the the narrative is around data ownership, but may be scope it a little broader than that with respect to to privacy and data usage with respect. IOT Is so what I this is an overlapped we. Try was in cyber security. There's an overlap between privacy and data in there. I would think. So, you know privacy is kind of a form of de la. But there's a much bigger world of data out there, which has nothing to do with privacy privacy I think most of us think about privacy is something where you can attach information to a particular individual rights. Open my back. Again Rebecca in Pi again right, but there's this butch bigger world of data on which. For example. If your car is on a road and reporting GPS You know if a hit if it hits a Pommel, where's that mock? That's one piece of data. It's not by you know, but it's a piece of data. That could be very mindful. There's all there's you know the Google maps right in you know all. That type of data is not persuadable information. But very valuable data or data about you know I was at a big conference in Barcelona called. The IOT. World Solution Congress and WHO's serious about this industry just? About, it's put on by the same people's Mobile World Congress and they had four thousand people there and I one. But they had for example a G.. E. was talking about their. Program or wind turbines where they essentially. winter vines in real time and and Mitt to make them more efficient, so you have a winter by that. Basically, maybe it's on the east, and there's a gust of wind comes in, and so the winter by incentives Augusta Wind. It'll just. Seconds all the other winter vines. They're already adjusted by the time it gets to them. And so that's you know that's an example of data, not personal identifiable information, but that's important data, but then there's the. Question of data in the context of. Help so if you put for example a Let's say that you have Diabetes Monitor? Okay so? In so. Sending out a signal to what your insulin level is, or maybe blood, sugar, and in the question is who. Owns that data is a person who manufacture the government. Is Your Doctor Your insurance plan or you? And right in the Internet is nobody knows because have because data fits in this murky area of intellectual property where it's. Structured data or data databases protected, but it's the stretches protected not raw data, so that's kind of a jump ball, and so I tend to when I talked with my clients about this I what don't think of date in terms of owners is difficult to understand what that means, and maybe nothing, frankly from legal point of view, think about it is how you're gonNA. Use It so so what you do. Do is you should put the right in the in the contract. What one is really going to be very contractually oriented and give you an example of why it's important to think about this. Advance I for him Lebanon, Church, by and the insurance. Client, insurer, raise type in Oklahoma, so they're. Nouri invested in having sensors on industrial women. Telling them you know it is heating up. What's the pressure desserts? Well. To like fifteen different enter manufacturers were all going out there in the market and censoring all these. Women and It was A. Completely chaotic as what approach people taking sometimes. said the sensormatic action said he owned the data. Why or Read that I don't know other times. The center matter factors, said no you. The owner of the equipment owns the data. In which case the insurance companies said Nice to know you, but we're not that interested, and then and then sometimes. You know we manufacturer internal purpose whatever that means in sometimes. They didn't even aggressive. So here's this you know. Insurance Company that wants to aggregate data from a bunch of distance sensor platforms, so they can monitor this women, and even provide you know if they can monitor it know they'll have a better. To have it like average life expectancies things you know they they can actually want are their particular piece of equipment, and probably right to a cheaper policy but they're kind of you. Know they're. Scratching their head, because they you know they, they've got all these different approaches, which means so they can't get the data ignore the data from Sir Platform so if you're a sensor company and you know part of Your Business Model, which I hope it should be. Is You'RE GONNA? You'RE GONNA. monetize the data in need to make sure you have the right to monetize. The data can't even your silent on it now. You're probably going to get. You know thanks. Thanks from the tried to sell it to. I. Forget one. Company that is you know whose business model is data as a service because they're sitting in the middle of in between the farmers, the equipment suppliers the fertilizer supplier all these people that you know basically want to get data from the farmers, so they can improve their products and their basic against it. By the GonNa Switzerland under. Provide you know this. You the information so until it's. It's important to think ahead as to what you know, what Your Business. And what you're you're. where! You're GonNa get you know your value, and frankly in many cases you know the value may be more in the data. That is an appropriate self. Mean just to give an example the Rizzaq. Released and the oracle versus Google case. Worker said that Google had made early one billion dollars from Android, a wish two billion dollars for profit, and that was not because they were selling android. That's all I'm sorry service. They got around it, so you couldn't so yeah. LIKE DATA No so I mean okay so just. You know just to be clear here. We originally were starting. Were we were talking about cybersecurity and dishes? Liability was a big one. We kind of popped over privacy. I'M GONNA. WanNa go back there, and now we're in the data usage, but I just want to pick up on a couple of things. the first thing is Almost it almost what you're saying is is that data usage is defined by contract not so much by law. And correct me if I'm wrong, because it doesn't seem like there's a lot of laws out there. That are better covering this kind of thing, so it sounds like you're saying if you anticipate that you're going to be using utilizing the data you need to. You need to have your customer agree to that, and that's going to be in the form of a contract and my simplifying it and I getting it right I got it right. I will say just you know. Britain will discuss. It is certain types of data will be subject to the regulatory regimes like health data gun, example I gave of right. Hit by the you know the monitoring the diabetes. The Diabetes Monitor them. Certain types of personal identifiable information, but for talking just raw data. You know like coming off a sensor about your where the you know. The performance of an oil, well of. Oil Well. Basically Monitoring Group and they're basically moving cloud questions. Can they do it in? What can they do with it? Okay and so, that's again. That's that's around the idea of the concept of data usage and again I. Think what you're saying is that's more of a contractual issue. Just need to make sure that you do establish that contract, and what form that may be with you being the supplier in your well, you being the vendor and your customer. In Public I. Get your unless your crystal ball is luck player than think most of. Crystal Balls. You'd probably want to get the broadest rights you can to to use the data right because that's that's GonNa, help you. You know in your business model because you know I think data is. Going to become a very important way monitoring on the your IRA. Your product service. Yeah, but then it does, but then when you have multiple levels I guess that's where it gets a little bit more complicated when you have multiple levels usage in and you use the the heart rate The heart, the heart pacemakers. I think that was your. Diabetes Monitor or diabetes? So? Yeah, I mean you said in an Alaskan again and I. Guess I guess maybe you answered it, but Dwi Odin do I own that data. Does the health provider on that data does the supplier of the heart of the of diabetes POMPA own that data, and I guess what you're saying. Everyone just sort of says they own it by contract, and then they're okay or or how does that kind of shake out? Well, somebody you know, somebody's got end up having so. Data ownership remains murky concept the questions. What rights do you have? Use it and whom okay so use versus ownership. Okay, that's fair and who has those rights and that's going to be established by contract, but there's going to be in that case. There's going to be overlay of hippo, so even have. Let's just say the The device manufacturers as I own the. Let's just use. I have arrived. Use It as a proxy for I can use it anyway, what? He has there's the regulatory. There's the regulatory over. framework of hippo which has yet, you may have the right to use it in any way you want, but you have to incompliance would hip contractually insurance? You can't contract your way out of a regulatory regime in most grant which takes us to the beginning of our of our discussion on the regular on the regulations and so forth, okay. So that's helpful, so yeah, that's a good point is is so what is what is the wild wild west right now is who owns the data. However, you can contractually claim stake to using that data. And that's that's what you want to do. And as you said, the best practice would be obviously to try to claim as wide a stake to that or or a wider net to that owner, not ownership, but usage as possible at correct betting usage. Say Usage Roy. Principle sort out what that means better to say, you can use the term usage, but it. Yeah, you can use the term ownership. It's better to because it really is very unclear what that means so better to say here. Here's what I can use it for than. Ownership. Thing and I think that's very helpful. That's helpful, because because yeah, because to a certain extent, people throw their hands up and they go. We don't know who owns it, but yeah, no, okay. We don't know who owns it, but now, but now let's lay claim to to who can use it, and as of right now notwithstanding regulatory laws or regulations it's not super clear in the law, so you can lay claim laying claim metaphorically with using some of contractual mechanism, a contract of some sort or other. Career. Okay! All right well, it's good. No, this is the teased the differences because because obviously. When you have a bunch of tax talking about this. A lot of issues together, and it's useful to Kinda separate them now now. One of the ones that that. Know that that's tied very closely to to security as privacy and we haven't really got to that, but let's let's talk about the main. Can you maybe just give us? The the high level issues with respect to? We've talked about Pi. You said I. Guess the Best Practice is first. Thing is just well. You tell me I mean it's. Where is that when you say? Don't keep a personal personally identifiable information. Does that mean in the databases? At mean? Don't collect in the first place. Maybe maybe start there and then and then give us more details. Cookie important thing here is understand if you're in or out of privacy regime, and and yet and what I returned save look, you could design your product in a way where you don't get personal identifiable information, so you don't get you, don't you're not connect for him what? He's the Campbell, right. You're not able to neck. The you know who was at Belaid. We're of who you know. When the lady was being operated by that person, and so there is a product design. Services issue here. who are collecting information which went into visual. Then you get into. Kind of the world of privacy regulation in that. Complex world when we actually have a special group that deals with it or not remember. It's not a corporate. My practice gentleman you sort of the top lash so the first thing he has. It is I independent in the United States based on industry, so unlike European Union which has a general, said laws, regarding privacy which covers the entire union, although they are implemented separately in each country. And can be implemented differently within range. The US doesn't have a comprehensive. Some or as a complex mixture of federal state, and even local or guy, and no in some need understand industry, one of the few regimes which is you know pretty well defined and. United States. which applies to healthcare information? So that is if you're in healthcare field, you need to understand what is in. Your design your product to not come within the bounds of hip or under hip is and make sure the chip compliant because you know that one of those. Areas where if you try to sell them healthcare industry you're using. Private. Information in a way. Which Tags Kipa unless you're hip implant, you know your market is zero, so you? You just gotTa be aware of right on to hospitals and got something. It's you know that needs to comply under dozen. Now, what about in the Google Oracle case where android I suppose was collecting P I do advertising, which I assume made up a majority of that revenues. How does that fit in is there? Is there something again something that we need to know about with respect to advertising? Is there will googlers? Google Oracle is really over different topics focused entirely on whether or not Google it will, while which he. Violated Copyright Law by using certain types. Of Jobs, so it's not a privacy issue. Okay. So going back to this? Complex Madrick. The privacy regime so. That's interesting, an interesting concept. The first time I've heard it so one privacy regime is an area of healthcare am what are some other examples of privacy regimes them well, there are privacy regimes which are state oriented. Okay so. Like Steve California has a has requirements on the use of personal identifiable information we forget are different from those in tests, and then there there are weird outliers, so there is you'll. You'll be happy to now that record of your the videotapes you rent. There's actually predicted by federal law and has a lot in the reason for that sort of peculiar exceptions is congressman got in trouble and early nineties by renting porno cakes from May? Store and the you know in the and so Congress decided this is a very important issue for many Americans in so that protected by federal law, whereas a lot of these regimes are state oriented. In Gamco Yours actually a our website, which goes into great detail on regimes, not only in the United States overseas, but it's anti constantly of all the state level. Evolving because people are concerned about. All the ways in which people's private information is being used abused, and so that's. That's very dynamic area the US once get other places in the world like you're a greater European regime for example is much more what on opt in regime Millonarios. New US y'all know most websites you go when you read the Privacy Saul. Have to actually check a box. Opt Out of it right. In Europe. You have to check a box to. Hermit. So and there are fundamental differences across the board their and depending on where you going to sell your product, and what industry and it's going to be subject to different regimes. Okay, and again I'm just trying to get my hands around regime, so they're not really identifiable. I was thinking. Hippo was a regime in Pi be regime. But that's maybe not the right way to look at them I think you've got to understand a little bit of a three dimensional matrix. Basically is the industry ran. healthcare. Now, if you're! Construction List The fraction probably nothing no over over team. Probably just the. and. There's no weekly. Jurisdiction ran so if you're in Europe, it's one. Second mentioned. And then if you're in the US, And you're in construction than it's probably state by state and maybe even. Maybe even local regulations, which applied probably not in construction, but enough things. Soon Dimension to Okay Nice Dimension to dimension three is. Sort of. What are the consequences of failure to comply right in the be report? Other words aid dry as he. Could come knock on your door. You know state agency or could be. or it could be you know you just get sued in court. Okay so that could be nothing, but then you could actually get sued. which is something different? I guess I mean again this contact. The different kids between regulatory action where you know somebody the FTC Craig Commission comes and says your information, handling practices or legal and I'm GONNA. Find you two million dollars and that's generally. Right behind that is class action litigation says violate that violate the FTC rules, and you know you're gonNA pay lots of money to me. so that those are the. So were there could be regulations where there's no government agency that's in charge. You know that is regulating them and ole attention. Liability is through a court action though there was A. Lawsuit filed last year. Effort wired magazine came out with a report of how they were able to hack into an uptick or car remoteness. And then like two months later, Class Action Litigation, violence, CISCO, saying that that particular manufacturer had not. Put enough cybersecurity in place of even though no one had hacker real car in a real environment, just a test case, right? A A. There's a class action that came along. And not because they violated a federal government regulation, or this or that, it was because the end. Of. Yeah Yeah, no. It kind of and I think that might have been related to your entertainment system. Example anyway. That's how they got in your what the problem is! Not as like Carson. But many. Companies were making industrial are basically just serve slapping in an activity on top of them without thinking about cybersecurity and that you know that means you know. A big potential risk as many industrial systems like based on Scotta. They assume there's activity right the right and there wasn't. There wasn't right so now. You're connecting things you need to think through. What Yeah, yeah, no Markelle. This has been very useful to me as a legal neophyte and I'm assuming most of my audience, also legal neophytes I think you've made the point This stuff kind of freaks you out if you don't if you're not aware of it so I think you know if nothing else, you made the point that and I like it this the way I'm terming anyway instead of security by design legal by design. It's just make sure you do get some opinion. and it may just be as simple as no. You're good, but just get some opinion to make sure that you're not. You're not going into these areas, these unchartered areas or chartered areas where where you could maybe yeah, trigger up some land mines a there. That were unexpected, so thank you for that I. Think it's been. It's been really helpful. IF PEOPLE WANNA find a a little bit more and dig into this which I'm sure they will. Where can people find out more about you and and your company? How can they get a little bit more information? So probably the best ways go our website, which is wwe delay. He Ip Yard Dot Com. You can't put that in the show notes. And we actually have an. Internet of things page there which go to it's probably best just to go on website searcher. But yeah, but we actually have a series of webinars which done within three last year. I went on Yelp was coming up Thank actually next week and so you know, and we're GONNA be having a continuing series of Asian go listen to them and the other thing you may want to consider is if if third particular topic she likes to see were good dissemination email and Mark Dot Radcliffe. July heavy at delayed by DOT COM and because we were were laying out program this year and There's up to top that you think would be of interest number of people that you know. Happened in. Excellent excellent will does really useful resources. I will put all this information in the show analysis notes. I may also give you. A suggestion for you know for a future topic and with that. Thank you. Thanks a lot for the for the discussion. Thanks a lot. Great job. Man Alive Job Yeah. No, that's good. That was really helpful to me to kind of tease apart some of these issues that I think that have been you know when techies talk about it. They kind of conflate a lot of things together so. Yeah That was helpful, definitely helpful for me so I'm just assuming it's going to be as helpful for listening. What great! Thank you know I I work in the open field. Pull on time and. And I. Don't know if you postpone the. The one that love our. I'm out of lawyer and then they go. They go. I haven't seen that. They go and then describe the most A. The most complex nuanced issues in top law. Assurance and so it just it's I'm used to amuse that inflation wrestle. All right, so this could occur relatively quick. I'm guessing GONNA probably coming up next week. So I'll let you know and you might WanNa. Ford it onto your marketing people. I'll send you look a little graphic. If you guys social media and and yeah, yeah and I'm looking I'm GonNa take a look at those at those webinars and let me think. Might you know because I? Get a lot of feedback from this audience, and from and from my website in general so I'll also think about maybe some suggestions to yeah to give you guys some as potential areas to dig in further, that's great. Okay talk to you later. Thanks bye-bye. That was a good talk with Mark Radcliffe. This podcast goes vertical deep diving into different topics each week. Prefer a more horizontal and structured approach to learning IOT business, and it's orbiting Technologies Check my book Iot Inc published by McGraw Hill, or become a certified IOT professional by completing the IP training and certification program. Or details just go to www dot. IOT DASH INC DOT COM. Also go do www dot IOT dash inc dot com for an analysis of this episode links to things that were mentioned during the episode and very importantly, the episodes pdf transcript. Just search for the name of the episode or the guest. If, you knew podcast. Subscribe that way. You'll get every weeks. 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GUI Nights: Forever Unclean!

Geeks Under the Influence

30:51 min | 1 year ago

GUI Nights: Forever Unclean!

"The views and opinions expressed on Geeks or the influence or that of the panelists out of our sponsors Amazon dot com and t public. Parental discretion is advised uh-huh. She was going on everyone. Hey welcome to another episode of G. You Nights. Do you. Just get all gooey. I got they want me with me. I'm not in a chicken costume. But John Shelby chicken comes there. You go fuck suit. Chubby Chubby chicken folks. I'll have to bring that up to the wife actually thinks about what a what a talk about. But the fact that my mother has heard Amy Amy Bogart and I talk about a come covered chicken suit. Maybe the thing that your parents found out about you that you didn't want them to know about is maybe the best way to start. This is not only the thing that you didn't want them to know about. She thing that they didn't want to know about what parent wants to know there there. Yeah no no no no. I never win anything sexual to do with my child ever. No no no. 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 Trusting in a GoFundMe world: Chips with Everything podcast

Chips with Everything

20:39 min | 2 years ago

Trusting in a GoFundMe world: Chips with Everything podcast

"The. The garden. It is the end of the summer two thousand fourteen I started to feel really tired for no good reason. And I was getting bit fat round the middle and appetite was sort of falling away a bit. So nothing kind of made sense. I think the thing that really made me realize something was wrong with the I was paying overtime. This is Emma halston an art director living in London. She was first diagnosed with cancer in two thousand fourteen I'm quite an optimist, and I know quite about cancer survival rates of much better these days. So my initial thought was a K doesn't mean you're definitely gonna die. But then she told me that it was this type of cancer that was very and had very poor prognosis Emma was told she had small cell carcinoma of the ovary, hyper calcemic type which is not only extremely rare, but has no standard treatments. I tried not scuba it for awhile. But then when I did it was it was literally the most awful moment of my life. Find out sort of results of other patients had gone through. So I realized as against quite challenge. The original tumor was removed through surgery and Emma, then went through six months of chemotherapy at the end of this treatment. There was no sign of the disease will there. She was delighted hit that news. Emma, had also been told that was a strong possibility of the cancer returning it grows, very fast. So at one point we really tracking growing about sent me to a week. We're keeping an eye on things every three months we'd go back in for scans. But because it's such a fast growing cancer. And I was still a camp the signs as well. It kind of grew back quite quickly inbetween scans. So we missed it until I went in. At the point when the tomb agree back. Emma, had a busy career and she and her partner Matt were in the middle of planning their wedding. Doctors told her that the treatment used the last time wasn't an option again on though is to me a drug trial Amina therapy, which seems to be the right sort of things to do. And this drug Troy was valuable in my hospital. So it's amazing free. But it was an experiment. Ceo. You'll starting a drug the Reno due to you bye gave that go. And after only a few weeks, it was causing terrible side effects and clearly not working for me. So we were forced into the situation of giving him in therapy guy. Immunotherapy is covered by the NHS for a number of cancers such as some lung cancers melanoma, but not Amazon because of its rarity. So I was cool in this conundrum of being a reckon. Sir. Weddings on really license. So there's not a standard treatment for them. So I have to pay for it. The cost of meaner therapy. Treatment is extremely high with the administration costs as well. We worked out about one hundred and fourteen thousand a year, and at that point somebody it sort of told us that if it was successful. I might be on that treatment for years. On top of feeling physically. Unwell Emma now needed to find a way to raise hundreds of thousands of pounds. I think being British you hate asking for money. I'm not something ever us money all wants to borrow money from people by realized it was such an amount of money that even with all my savings and everything combined probably wouldn't have to carry on paying the drug. So it just so happens coincide with a wedding. And people started saying, what do you want as wedding present? And we have like, oh, we'll really need some money. So a few friends started coming up with ideas of fundraising since we start thinking if we put together a fund may Cy aura sort of fundraising site, and we all these things in one place, and it would be make it easy for people m wrote up her story to explain why this campaign was so important, and why any donation would help ease stresses we were in a really tough spot at that point. And I remember going. Hospital and having really difficult conversations with doctors. And then we we happen to check one of those days and the favorite jumped right up to an amount of money that was gonna make such a huge difference to us more than twelve thousand people donated two hundred sixty three thousand pounds Amazon campaign, something she still can't quite get ahead around even two years into remission. And also, I think because all those people are so willing you on it's like such goodwill and such positive wishes for you. I think so gave me rule boost mentally which I think help physically and Emma's experience with gofundme me isn't rare. We've heard more than five billion dollars donated over the years to go from campaigns more than fifty million donors, and it's safe to say that we have tens of millions of people who donate to campaigns on an annual basis crowdfunding platforms like fund me have shown just how generous people can be to complete strangers. But it raises the question just how do people on these online platforms managed to gain our trust? I'm Jordan Erika Weber, and this is chips with everything. Online crowdfunding. I started appearing around the turn of the millennium with big crowd funding websites. Like indigo kick starter. And go fund me launching at the end of the last decade. Artists. Amuses have used these platforms together funds for book or an album people like Emma have raised money for medical treatments almost anyone can use these sites and not a way for something so wholesome when the English far right activists told me Robinson was jailed in may twenty thousand nine a contempt of court some of his followers used crowdfunding platforms to try to raise money to freed him. He was released on Vail in August. Twentieth. Teen and released from that bail in November. But it's not known if any of the money raised contributed to his release. So where do these websites come from? I'm rob Solomon. And I am the CEO at go fund me gay fund me is one of the biggest crowd funding platforms out there. It was created by Brad damn house and Andrew Balassa back in twenty ten. Producer Danielle rang robe at the company Silicon Valley offices in California, and he told her more about its inception. Wanted to come up with a way for immediate friends family local communities to come together to help pay for things and it didn't have an express purpose in in solving healthcare funding or or emergency related funding. It just took on a life of its own overtime. But they were just very keen on creating friction list platform that help people raise money when other people needed help quick quickly. Exactly k fund me can currently be used to stop campaigns in nineteen countries. But the company has recorded donations coming in from more than one hundred fifty countries people create campaigns for all sorts of reasons. The biggest categories are people who need help with medical related expenses. Then comes emergencies things like floods and wildfires. Unexpected emergencies memorials would be the third largest category. And. Then it breaks off into many different things. So education is is a big category. Where I need help to pay for my college education. I've been accepted into a study abroad program, but I can't afford to get their education is big one community related projects are very big things related to new story that brought to lots of people to the website was the partial government shutdown in the United States in January two thousand nineteen which left eight hundred thousand federal workers without work for more than a month. You're the government does a great example of that. We've had more than fifteen hundred campaign started on the platform more than half a million dollars raised already. And then we have this non of moments out there that become movement so early in twenty eight teen the times up movement kicked off with the award season in Hollywood. And and some of the most powerful woman women in Hollywood created times movement, and it became the largest campaign. We've had on our platforms over twenty two million dollars. And it's still an. Campaign and we see people donating a year later everyday to the campaign so moments become movements. And that's really interesting phenomenon. That's just getting started in last year or so. Of course, go fund me needs to make its own money to Emma told us that when she set a perk on pain, go fund me to percentage as payment. But last year, they changed their business model the old business model, we would take a five percent fee from the campaigns that ran on the platform, and we started to think a lot about you know, what is the best thing we can do for the campaign organizers, and these are folks who are raising money in very desperate situations. And we switched the model to a free model where all of the money raised goes to the campaign organizer and we asked donors for voluntary tip during the checkout process. And of course, on top of that is a credit card processing fee, but you buy large all the money goes to the campaign organizer, minus credit card processing fee fund me has also started looking at ways to make the website more trustworthy. We've seen new stories about people making up stories to elicit sympathy and raise money for a bogus. Pain. So although it's foolproof the company has been working on it security strategy. We aren't the arbiter of whether it causes good 'cause are worthy caused that's up to the communities of people who come together around these causes. So what we do is. We have a trust and safety team. We have something called the gofundme guarantee. We have a lot of. Tools in place to evaluate campaigns. We use machine learning artificial intelligence, we use a lot of technology to vet campaigns will look at the body language of of a campaign, and we'll use our machine learning and a I techniques to figure out what might be the purpose of this campaign. We wanna make sure that if somebody says they're raising money for someone else that in fact, we know who that other person is so we have a lot of safeguards in place to protect people that we've gotten really good at using a combination of technology process and people to these campaigns to see if any of these campaigns are violating our terms of service if they are violating the terms of service, they're removed. We also have this community. That's fifty million people strong, perhaps even more than that who let us know if something doesn't look, right. So there's a lot going on behind the scenes to keep the platform safe. At the essence of what's most important. Go fund me is is trust. Let's talk about trust. When I first started spending a lot of time online as child around the turn of the century. I was told to be careful who I spoke to and what infomation I gave them. So how have we ended up feeling confident enough to give money to complete strangers online through these images through these stories that people also share these crowdfunding platforms people become very close. And also, essentially very trusting off these people, even though they don't essentially, no that person more on that. After this short break. I'm leland. And in this month, we need to talk about pocus out panel respond to Godley supposed to questions on education. How can countries around the will take the politics out of their education systems? How can we grow in Cape? How teaches and give them greater ownership of their profession. And with the creative arts being sidelined in the curriculum. How can we poll wellbeing in schools? That's we need to talk about education have listen head. Visit guardian dot com slash costs. Welcome back to chips with everything. I'm Jordan Erika Weber this week. We're looking at crowdfunding platforms and how the people who used them to raise money are able to gain our trust. I'm not really sure if we trust people more online. I don't think there is actually a change. But I mean, we do trust people, and we do trust people depending on how to present themselves stoke to kunia Raza Kosta is electric in digital methods in digital humanities at King's College London. So online you will see that loads of people. The upload pictures of themselves upload videos, and that gives us an opportunity as an audience to God that a lot of information about these people. So you're this paper and 2016 about getting data on social relationships. An in it Ye wrote online forms of social interaction require a new understanding of an ext. Tended and disembodied sociology. Can you explain what you meant? What I meant. So traditionally when we talk about social relationships, we think of the relationship, I have let's my mother was my best friends, and what we see with this relationships the all have narrative. Yeah. So do you have all formed over time? We note he's people for a long time. We probably talked to them quite frequently. And we also liked him very much. So this is our traditional understanding of how we create relationships and naturally what we do consider usually as conducive to forming. These relationships is sort of like shared social space. So we meet with somebody in a cafe, we I don't know have dinner together online does this different because we don't share a physical space. But that doesn't mean that we do not establish intimacy with people the successive online fundraising campaigns raises. The question of whether our concept of a social relationship has changed. I don't think it has changed as such. I think people Wendy speak off their best friends of the people. They are very close to. I think nowadays still people think a lot about a very small number of people those people that are most important to them. And usually they will have also known these people for quite a long time. But what we also see a set people maintain more relationships at are fleeting. Typically, when you ask a person, how many friends do you have day would mention a small number of friends? But when you say how many I mean, that's also the tricky bit. How do you ask somebody how many people do, you know online? Most people will give your number. But that doesn't mean to those people are friends those people are there to catch up with. So it has become a lot easier through these online tools to contact and get in touch with these people and then. Can get out of touch with these people again, but it's not considered a problem. But when we speak about traditional close intimate social relationships, I think how people think about these types of relations that remains still very much same. Earlier in the show. We heard from real Solomon the CEO of go fund me he says one of the most surprising phenomena to rise from the website is moment to movement Cornelia explains. Why these movements able to gain much traction not only on websites like refund me, but on social media in general, it is definitely easier especially when it's about verse specific events. So if we say, we have we organized rally or a protest today to support women's rights or to support specific social group because Dan, you can communicate to a vast number of people that may be followed at hashtag metoo and informed him about with happening. So it's become a lot easier to reach out to a large number of individuals to keep them posted about what's going on at the beginning of the show. We heard from Emma halston more than twelve thousand people donate. Added to campaign raising two hundred sixty three thousand pounds the concentrate -ment say let's compare that to something like homelessness for say, we don't know whether those people who Des need to campaign would give money to people on the street. But I feel like we can know that that isn't a single person out there sleeping on the street who has managed to raise two hundred sixty three thousand pounds. So why is it the own line campaigns? Where the beneficiary isn't there right in front of you raise more money than real life human being on the street. I would say that these people who start gofundme campaign like Emma, for example, day are not perceived stranger by all these people who decided to to donate to her campaign because through her sharing her story through her updates on her condition sharing a little bit of context of how how it even happened. How she was diagnosed all. All these gave people in tune ity to form sort of like intimate bond with her through these images through the stories that people also share these crowdfunding platforms people become very close. And also, essentially very trusting off these people, even though they don't essentially, no that person I wonder if there's something in a comparison to ghosting, for instance, you talk about how it's it's much easier to break off relationships that you foam on line because you can just you know, you just not replace them message, and you never bump into them. Maybe that's a similar thing with crowdfunding with someone online who you you're never going to meet you can just donate the money and then forget about them. But if it's a person on the street that you won't pasta every day. Maybe you give them ten pounds. But then you see them again the next day. Do you think that contributes? So sometimes when we see a person in real life. We feel a certain obligation, especially when we see that person again to kind of maybe. Asked him how you doing today? So all these are forms of investments relational investments that maybe not everybody is prepared to give. And you're right online. All that's not the case. I donate my money. I can feel good about myself. And I have essentially done a good deed. Yeah. I've helped person who's obviously in need of support. So I can feel good about myself. But I don't necessarily have to invest a huge amount of relational energy and further sustaining that bond with that particular person. Do you think crowdfunding platforms remain popular in two very popular? We will see many people amateurs who produce content who develop products who maybe have an idea, but lack financial capital to maybe get ideas started. They will all go to crafting platforms to ask the people who share a similar interest for help. And we will see that happening more and more in the future. That's all for this week huge. Thanks to Emma, halston, robe, Solomon, and Cornelia razor Costa for talking to us this week. From next week. You'll find us in your pocus feed on Monday, which means if you're listening to this episode on the day it came out, and you only have to wait three days for the next one. So to brighten up the start of your week, make sure to listen to the latest digital coacher news on Monday mornings from now on and thanks to guardian jokes which spokes at this week's episode of chips got in jobs can help you. Find your good company at G. You dot com slash good company. I'm Eric Webber. Thanks for listening. For movement put costs from the guardian. Just go to the guardian dot com slash put costs.

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Hour 2: Carl Douglas Day III

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

35:46 min | 1 year ago

Hour 2: Carl Douglas Day III

"So Garcia when it comes to home and auto insurance state farm is the real deal for starters they fit seamlessly into your life easily manager coverage, pay your bill and even file a claim with the state for Mobile APP which was awarded best. Insurance Mobile APP two thousand and nineteen, and they really get to know you. Thanks to the network of one thousand nine hundred thousand agents. You'll have someone local. The talk you through options that fit your personal needs. When you want the real deal like a good neighbor. State farm is there. ESPN radio is presented by Progressive Insurance Ball business protection for more than vehicles with insurance expertise to keep your company moving forward more progressivecommercial dot. Com Carl Douglas GonNa join us just a second here on the Shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sportscenter update former US running back. Reggie Bush is disassociation from the university is expected to soon come to an end. Thanks to the NC Double A. mandated disassociation limit of ten years imposed in two thousand seventeen. Has it been ten years with Reggie Bush? It's been for years apparently, so it's coming to an end. Time flies. We're getting old man. NASCAR set to allow fans back at the track four races this month at homestead, Miami speedway and Talladega superspeedway. The beaches open the beach. Right here is open to God's Miami Beach First Time I've seen people on it and like three months. Things are opening all over. We're GONNA. Go back to hiding in our houses and five months. When all of this country's back up to us, and we're like Oh my God. Those protests We weren't socially distant. Riding with the exception of these three. Put It on actually on the poll I saw my. Show each. Are you still sort of hiding in your house? At lebatardshow of ninety seven degrees outside and finally cops after thirty years on television has been canceled by paramount network. That's funny. We're always headlines and information. Tune into sports center on ESPN radio all throughout the day before we get to our attorney, Carl Douglas Just WanNa play for the people a viral clip from yesterday. The New York police boss Mike o'mara is in the middle of stuff. He is waving around his badge. He is defending the police at a time. That new. York is really divided Even its leadership is getting a beat up from every angle because they there continues to be a support of the police, but the police feel like they're unsupported, and this gives voice to it. This isn't stained someone in Minneapolis. It's still got gotTa Shine on it at Soda. So do this. Stop treating us like animals and thugs. And start treating switch some respect. That's what we're here today to say. We've been left out of the conversation. We've been vilified. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. Trying to make a Baris- of upper profession, three hundred seventy five million interactions. All the WELLM Ingley overwhelmingly positive. Nobody talks about all the police officers that were killed in the last week in the United States of America and there were a number of them. We. Don't Condone Minneapolis we roundly. Checked what he did as disgusting disgusting. It's not what we do. A police officers do. I'll. Legislators abandoned us. The precious vilifying us. Well, you know what guy? Appropriate the economy and I'm going to continue to be proud to be a cop. Until the day I retired. And that's all I have to say. There were a lot of white faces behind him with masks. Not a lot of black faces Carl Douglas with us here on ESPN Radio Carl. What do you make of that sound and thank you for joining us? First of all Dan. Thank you for having me on your show man. This is a fabulous platform and I appreciate all that you do got are doing. That is the essence of what I am finding bout. And the police commissioner in new. York has been more forward thinking than others on the news. But there is a culture here that we have to continue to struggle against for their ever to be any true reckoning and change. The pendulum is going to swing back toward the police sometime soon. Another COP IS GONNA. Get Shot. A white woman somewhere has gone good brutalized, and the American narrative is then going to shift back. To the law and order. I'm not sure if this is the beginning of the end. Or the end of the beginning. What I also WANNA. Talk about the Dan yesterday. I I mentioned to listeners about Martin Goo Gino. G You G I N O.. He's that seventy five year old white man that we all saw be pushed down by stormtroopers. I WANNA. Make sure your listeners keep Martin Gucci knows name firmly on their lips because he is not in fair condition. I don't care what the public statements from hospital says. Dan? I'm not a doctor, but I've been a personal injury lawyer for thirty five forty years and I know enough about medicine to say that Martin Gino have sustained a traumatic brain injury. And at seventy five years old. Less than one week after the injury. There is no way of knowing the full extent of his mental injury suffering. Dan So bleeding may now be under control. But Martin Gino faces a lifetime of uncertainty because his brain has suffered a serious injury. He is not in fair condition. What needs to happen in terms of Police Reform Carl and what can happen what will happen? What are you optimistic about here? Let me tell you my y'all thank I get this off the top of my tongue. I have been working and thinking so that I can best prepare your listeners for for for for my insight. because. There is a time that we can think about what we can do to make police better. You hear the narrative right now that is that is a popular de-fund the police. I'm a messenger. Dan and I. Don't think that's a strong a messaging tagline that we should use. Particularly and election year. There's an old political concept that says if you're explaining in politics. Then you're losing. And whenever someone talks about defunding the police. There had to explain what they really mean and the next sentence. But reimagining the role of police officers is not such a radical idea. Let experts do the job that experts are trained to do. I want you to? Make sense right. I suggest you Dan that cops show be sent to nine one one calls when there is a mental health crisis. Cops are trained killers, not social workers. Mental health experts should be sent on those calls instead. And the money used to finance, those calls should be redirected to mental health experts so that they have the resources to do their jobs well. Dan when you realize that only five percent. Of. All arrests offer violent crimes. That could mean a lot of money for mental health experts. Let's say thirty percent of all nine one one calls are help calls due to a mental crisis. I say then we should redirect thirty percent of the resources, a police staff to mental health experts. Send in the experts to the house to help the family if they're not if they're distress, don't send them the train killers. It makes perfect sense to quote your president. Last week Dan I mentioned the tragic case of fifty six year old Oro newness senior. And you and I. He's a husband and father of seven. He had never been in trouble before in his life. His daughter caught nine one one for mental. Health crisis intervention. Mr Nunez was armed. She never thought the cops were going to suffocate him to death. He was a little bitty Guy, no taller than Stugatz. It's funny because you know. COPS will be the first to say that they are not a social worker. And I say believe them. Gosh you know I was watching your show initially for about six months before I realized that's do wasn't like six three or something like that. People think I'm five nine and that he's much bigger because his voice is impressive. Call stay there for a second because we're up against, it will come back to you in a second nearly as oppressive. Carl's voice my God it into facing. Six seven he he really does. Get all the quality parts you need at your locally owned Napa because right now when you order from Napa Online, you can pick up curbside at your local store in just thirty minutes or Gig your order delivered direct to your door with free one day shipping on over one hundred and sixty thousand quality parts when you spend fifty dollars or more quality parts delivered quickly and safely. That's NAPA. Know How know how? Participating Stores Standard Route Shipping exclusions apply. GEICO knows there are many reasons why you ride from the Camaraderie of the other bikers band of brothers, always there for you rain or shine to the amazing savings you get with Geico on your motorcycle, insurance and accessories coverage all year round, but for Cornhill. It was one reason in particular. It was my helmet hair was born with helmet hair. I've tried to cut it a bunch of times even buzzing it, but it immediately just goes back down hair geico motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save fifteen percent or more Dan. Dan. It is time for straight talk. It is brought to you by straight talk wireless for the second consecutive day. We'll do it with Carl. Douglas as he continues with us here on the Shell, Pennzoil. Performance live so Carl. Had you finish that thought on police reform, because God's has a question for you, but I didn't think you were finished. No, I hadn't thanks them first of all. Thanks again for allowing me again a second session. I'm talking about or newness senior. Dan, because your show has power man. You're collars inundated the Chula Vista. Police Department forcing the chief Rebecca Kennedy to make a statement after I went on your air last week to ask about or Nunez Junior. He died on March thirteenth, but it was only on Friday that the police department made a statement talking about the tragedy of his death, but saying that Mr Nunez's death was proper. To kinda understand Dan. That's sixty percent of the inmates at the La County jail have a diagnosed mental illness. Experts should do what experts do. Couple tell you man that they're. They're not social workers I say believe them. My. Mom always told me Stu gods that somebody tells you think good enough for you. Don't argue with them. Believe them. Take them at their word. So I stay believe the train killers when they tell you. They're not social workers and move the money that you spend on them to mental vices calls. To mid off experts to properly train people in such crises, so that there no more oral newness seniors. To got what you WANNA, ask me. While I was wondering car when you hear the San that we played to start last segment in New York City police officer. Railing against you, no one's talking about all the good cops out there I'm wondering. Do you epithets at all with with the good cops out there? I tell your listeners don't feel sorry for the COP. That is the life they choose man. Listen! I've been soon cops for forty years. Cops like to things. Like guns and they like other cop. Cops work at certain stations because of the action. Day called Danger Action Man. Don't get me wrong. I would never want to be a police officer. It is dangerous out there. But some people jump out of airplanes for a living. Some people like NASCAR drive cars at two hundred miles an hour for a living. Cops are cops because of the action. Not Inspite of it, but there's some other reforms and I don't have much time so I'm going to list them. Band Kill Cold Let's talk about that later. Recruit more women to become. Can if there had been more women there at that scene, you dare say George Floyd would be alive today. Stop sending rookie cops to the toughest jail to learn. Did, you know that cops in Los Angeles Sheriff's Department once they leave the academy. They are sent to the county jail. Jails data, sixty and eighty percent, black and brown inmates. To have to be tough. To be firm, they'll spend three four five as much as seven years in the county jails, and the irony is. Worth Deputy Larr. Two longer you spend in jail. And then you finally emerge from that rap whole, and you're sent to Compton, and you're stopping someone who's been feeding and you're going to deal with them with the same mindset that you've been in jail for those five six or seven years. You GotTa Stop You have to pressure my black and white allies politicians from taking money from police unions. That's what you can do to make a difference today. Make politicians commit local against taking money from police unions. Because when you take money, you know where your allegiances are i. hear it on your show all the time. Follow the money. Follow the money. Carl what do you make of the whole? Defend the police movement, and is there an argument to be made to actually institute real reform by increasing funding funding to make sure things like body cams never conveniently malfunction to have on the job training to have independent counsels actually hold people more accountable. Mike you have to I. Get to the mind of people. Can't militarize away crime. You can't add more cops and and crime. Only five percent man of a violent of rest are violent, and that is a tremendously important statistic, because it goes contrary to the national narrative. We don't need tanks going up and down our streets of America. We need to get officers out of their cars and talking to the people they patrol. It's unfortunate that in California. You cannot require a police officer to live in the area. He patrols so in Los Angeles, you have confidence that live in Seamy Valley, which can be an ninety minutes away on a free way on the one on one freeway when there's no traffic on the freeway. We're spread out here on the left coast. You can drive an hour on the freeway and still be in the city limits of Los Angeles at two in the morning. So when you have officers who live in the valley, there's an US versus them mentality and throwing more money or adding more tops. Regrettably, Mike is not gonNA. Make it better. Carl good talking to you always good catching up with you. Thank you for making the time this week. They get my plate. Say well stay safe. Thank you grow, that was straight talk. It is brought to you by straight talk. 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Two Thousand Seventeen Anthony Joshua at Tyson fury have agreed in principle to fights in two thousand twenty one fury still has a fight schedule, deontay wilder and Joshua Wolf fight cu brat who live. If both fighters retain their titles, it will be the first time in over twenty years that there will be a unified heavyweight champion cipher that Dan your boxing. I. I didn't even know that actually I had not heard that, so I didn't know how they would get because of all the competing promoters how they would get in line on that, but they seem to have and finally the movie three hundred sixty five days, which has been dubbed the Polish fifty shades of grey, has become Netflix's most streamed movie quickly following each June, seventh streaming debut. Real Cinderella story for a Polish movie. Foreign film becoming number one on Netflix are because we're freaks. The latest thirty for thirty long. God summer directed by eight J. SCHNAPP takes back to the summer of Nineteen Ninety Eight. When the cardinals Mark Maguire the cubs Sammy Sosa, in barten- a chase of one of the game's most hallowed records, igniting a passion and imagination of fans and non fans everywhere long God summer premieres this Sunday June fourteenth nine eastern on ESPN AND ESPN two. The film will be available to stream on ESPN plus following the debut for all waves headlines. Information tune into sports center on ESPN radio all throughout the day. COMPANYMAN Daniel. Cormie who is offered to corner. Dana White I, was very disappointed by this I like I'm not surprised that any way. That Dana White wants to fight. That guy's not going to back down for for much of anything that looks like a challenge but I should have labor on my side. Given what it is, we'd be fighting about you. Should you do right? Now is willing to be in your corner, just cormier. Own Backyard Man. I would back up Dana White. Do I am backing up Dana? White, but call me doesn't mess with the boss. I understand so we're going to have him on at noon to talk about how he is apparently being company man I mean with Korea gets a paycheck. It's not signed by Dan, LE. Art It's on by Dana White rule, but the reason it's so small is because it signed by. And Not Dan Lemon Tart me and no problem signing that contract TV even put out an image on social media, platforms and pulling double duty, triple duty, really working for ESPN and being like the color commentator. Is Getting a lot of checks for a lot of different parts of the company. I'm not even sure how my man I'm not even sure much. He would object to the characterization company man. I certainly don't object to what Dana White said about me and our show talk. No action like totally drew. I built this house. There is no disputing what he's saying. He tried to me, but it's basically just a fact. You'd find on Wikipedia is offering three hours every day, so I'm going to budget stuff at every day. Just go home. No action we are all talk inaction. Not that was dark out blow. We've been putting ourselves in the face without one for fifteen years I mean we can't accomplish anything. We got it to here. which is like an upset well, let's think about this. You realize what an upset it would be if we actually -CCOMPLISH this. Like we can't accomplish anything around here. There is next to nothing that we actually get done to. God's is famous for not finishing anything. Not a thought not a word, not anything the one thing I finished, I mean what Mike had to do to get me to finish the MAS on my God. There's a fly estimates. And none of us had any confidence at that was going to happen. Through his belt link. Believable unbelievable never underestimate our ability to not get something done. However, also never underestimate the ability of people wanting to see Dan punched in the face. Dan Fight actually happens. Can I be the guy that rubs the vacillation on your eyebrows and your nose for the fight. I've got a problem here because I think there are only three people loud in your corner. An exception sure sure Chris. Go forward, you do. Yeah, this isn't going to be a real fight. Rest assured Chris, you would not be in my top three. I don't know who the top three should be. But if Moskvy doll is offering to be in my corner tail, Sonnen has thrown in five hundred dollars which I wasn't considering it before, but once jailed throats in five hundred dollars. How could I not be swayed? Son, in, His throne, five hundred dollars into the mix, and he says. I've been having this text exchange with him on the weekend. He says he wants to be in the corner only because he wants a front row seat to my my face, being turned in the hamburger so basically another guy who's being cheap. Would cost a lot more than five hundred dollars to charity, and we got stitched around there. You go three legendary cut, man Edward James Olmos. Look alike stitched Iran. He's a part of the team. Spare no expense. Sada thinks he's getting a front row seat to see you get beat down for five hundred bucks. I'll go higher than that he beginning you'll be getting a front row seat to watching me beatdown Dana White. You guys have this all wrong. I just have to wait for the pandemic to end so that I could get close to anybody. Then Daniel Cormie is a perfect guest to hang on because this is your only shot emulating his fighting style yours. Made Him in my corner. This is one of look. I wasn't scared until right now Cormie is GonNa? Teach Dana White how to make this fight. Totally more aesthetically displeasing that it already is by me going in there with my underwear. Peach Dana, how to stop your one move so this. We need to swing him back over to your side. No I. It's a hoping on with us at noon and I'm going to yell at him. Got A great day for you fighting name for your Burrito Ortiz. Tag a name we are looking for. You Got Stones Jones. You Got Burrito Ortiz. Tony and Chris were talking during the break. Stu Gods and they they were having two different conversations, both of them thinking they have an absolute answer to something that is probably subjective, so Tony. You go first You were saying what about napping. So guys are getting very close to the best time to nap in about ninety days or so when the NFL kicks off in that first, Sunday happens the best time. The NAP is about three forty five, which is around the fourth quarter, the one o'clock games that in the NAP berates through the second quarter of the four fifteen game right? There is the best time the nap you wake up. You catch a little cardinals. Rams Action Jared. Goff already has picked best time than up well well well. Well you gotta nap like like an hour after that. You're going to bed in the middle of the witching hour. We're going to the bed right when all the one o'clock games ending Tony I. Agree with you. I always nap during that time so I can wake up for the third quarter. I can't even control it anymore. My Body's just used to it especially when those crappy days where it's just niners, cardinals and giants are taking a west coast trip. There's like three games only. Oh, automatic naptime! Who did napped or something called the witching hour I am with fact Chris on. It's the witching hour. One o'clock enlisted I'm telling you right now? Sunday at a non major golf tournament from about two to five is the absolute best time. Tha that billy you side, wear on this. I'm with Stugotz Chris if you at any point in time football Sunday. It's from like four thirty. Five thirty or so you wake up in time for heard quarter annual rested up for Sunday night football because. Football can go a little bit late if you don't get disease and you're GonNa you know you sleeping through the fourth quarter that so it would appear that Tony doesn't actually have an objectively absolute answer on the best time to nap, but Chris says he's got the best time to listen to music, and that this is not subjective, either this is he saying there will be no arguing on this. What is the best time to listen to Music Chris? Well I think a lot of people would say in a car at a concert while they're working out. In the bedroom, perhaps in the shower, and these are all good options. Perfect Fun Times to listen to music, but they're not the right answer the right answer. The best time to listen to music is when you are cleaning inside your house. Want you to visualize MRS doubtfire cleaning to looks like a lady. This is me every single time mopping. I'm sweeping. I'm doing dishes I. Am you know flipping dishes to my wife? Wife to the tune of music like there's no better time to listen to music when you're cleaning in your house all right, so let's put both those questions on the poll is the best time to listen to music when you're cleaning in your house and is the best time to nap between three, forty, five and four fifteen. Are we saying on Sundays? Or you're saying any day any day or specifically on, Sundays? On Sundays. I gotTa side on the other side of this. Hour. Up on all the cocaine that you just snorted off of your television, because F. Sixteens were in the red zone with three seconds left all one score possession, and now you're going to get to the four twenty five games. It's three games and one of them is the lions and the Cardinal. Don't even WanNa Watch. It snooze earlier. These show aimed free time for some ads. Also. Are you doubting whether or not Chris Flipping dishes? There's no way. Flipping dishes, but it sounds like sort of rhythmically like he gets his freckle. 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Megan a movie night visit red box dot com for all the ways to watch all right, so you guys may know that Tony has been a late addition to our team. Most of the people who have been around here have been around here the entire time, but during the break I believe we were all wondering by consensus. Is that the dumbest thing Tony has ever said because it. He basically said the perfect time to nap is what's gots was described as the only time in your life, you cannot be napping. which is when Games are being decided a close to four o'clock in the NFL and we should point out by the way it's not every Sunday. It might be a great time to that non NFL season, but it's a really terrible time to nap during NFL sees his perfect time to nap is. Is the absolute worst time to nab and Chris cody called the during the break N. he's right by the way the worst hit sports news story. It was pretty bad, but CRISCO had him buried Tony now and Tony. You'll get your chance to rebut here, but what it on the poll at Lebatardshow Mike is that the single dumbest thing Tony has ever said it a microphone on the show because we took a minute for all of us to absorb it, and then we were just baffled. Initially agreed then went the other end. which is you know you wait till after the Western our? Thought he couldn't possibly meant what he said well, yes, until I I'd like to get a better understanding of what it is that he was claiming. But first we hear from Chris Cody on this subject. Because all of us I honest to God during the commercial break, we were all looking around, and then it's sort of dawned on all of us at the same time. Wait a minute. What he just said is totally idiotic. It's the opposite of what is right and true. It's it's you putting in front of me a rhinoceros and me saying that it is a duck I got fantasy results I got. That's coming in. I mean it's the worst thing our. No. And this show has had some doozy's over the years I. Myself Has said that the Zion Williamson thing when his shoe exploded was good for Nike like this show has set some fight. Wait a minute, so you're putting this now. Not just in dumbest things that Tony's ever said. You're putting it in the class. You're hitting it right now. For dumbest thing. Any of us ever said he said. It's the worst take in sports radio history. NAP End of the one o'clock games on Sunday. What are you talking? I'll put it on the poll gamma, worst opinion, then thinking the Oh and sixteen lions. We're GONNA, make the playoffs or Tony, saying that the best time to nap is three forty five to four fifteen on Sundays during NFL season, I might be able to weigh in with my Patrick Mahomes Alex Smith. Strong nominee and also a former executive producer Hawk said Chris Farley's brother Kevin Farley. There's going to be. All right, so we're GONNA. Go into the hall of fame. Thing said Tony Defend yourself in the thirty seconds. We have left here before Daniel Gourmet. It'll be very quick I got caught up in the air like Chris Carter and I should've said at the start at four fifteen games. I didn't. It was a bad by me. Oh! Okay! Let's a retraction. Aaron Sports Radio. Okay, but it allows us to relive all dumbest things. Any of us have ever said around here. One of them might be my decision. WanNa Fight Dana White. We talk what annual Corby next. For than. From the lander on ESPN radio.

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Can you tell us a little bit about the history of the building am I right in thinking it was originally a hospital I've read that little plot I've been quite drunk several times. It was a hospital to start at at and I. Didn't sixty nine. Boy Dr John Singleton industry you saw it is cold singled out and it started at for as a as a hospital and a free medical clinic for all the local district people prostitutes. Oh Yeah Dan answering was calling would was never a flesh our area lock looked upon today I'm in fact, if you look at the clock on the on the front of the building is the building is called the Queen's Jubilee Building which is ironic because it's you know Jen Wings. And the plaque was lighting idea ninety seven. On a does I on it and Jesus said come unto me all Ye that lie so. Relative to make. It look at has had a fantastic history then it became a school. I think it was calling would college used it for the extra rooms and then we're able to purchase it back in Iran about two thousand we opened on the tenth Vipul two, thousand and one. Continuing to educate. An Shane, you manage a few other spaces including the bay city sonal on the South side open, which is like one of the oldest one is in Mobin How do you divide a time between venues while we have the three what a millington basically so wanna and Peninsula solar and SPA. By City was opening non sixty two. Oh Wow. Jeez, and it's been probably the longest continuously running sonal. Not. In Australia probably even the world year and it's just a small shop with shop length Sonora it'll boutiques on. Some people have called it God's waiting room. Some of the clientele, the will get there at the status still the. Wow. But we've kicked the design around them looking after the older people because they've been the and butter place for many many years. and. We've had that for twenty five years now and Yeah. Some more time. I've. Seven days a week. It's your own coal twenty four hours a day. But having said that you know calling what is a jewel? The Crown? So yeah. The majority of at Thomas Paint. The other two, they're not exclusively homosexual venues knowing. we've diversified into mile female swing is Yep and also trains people people We're trying to cover every bice. The one thing that I really wouldn't say detests but I was going to is is when people say, Oh, we don't if someone at one particular when you run and sometimes you just can't. So what we try and do is kind of people other venues such as choosed is in Thursday's elsewhere has a really good training not but we don't have one at calling. I'm we've got reasons for that because we've got other specialty north on. Mega fit, but the to at Elston Wake John Far from the city going gangbusters. You know maybe I should transfer him to call him because they gripe numbers and some of the notes. Okay so going gangbusters now you've worked with the company since two thousand and five. So you put a lot of hours into. This what led you to managing basically a a number of sex on premises venues was this a dream come true story with this Will you a personal fan of the spaces before working there? While it's had visited bit I guess on Guy Back to my own history. Was From Northeast Victoria for Mansfield and. And I came here when I was forty years old. And Married and had a couple of kids and. As of today we've got. Three grandchildren and. Unlawful goes on so to speak but I was. Twenty eight years in the bus and coach Industry House got. Pretty Bush. And The honor of wet on Wellington we'll vandals in have been friends for bad four years. I've been spending a lotta time with him and his partner one not Morandini they just said, would you like to come in upright the business? So I procrastinate and talk about it Friday Mount. Then went to him and say, look. I've had a pretty good thing about this. Story. because. Any of the head and head four in my life and I'm sixty three. Penalty for eleven years. I. Was in the Bus Industry for twenty I years with two companies and now this and I've got to be passionate about it and I if I was selling saucepans have to believe in the source but to be out of sell them, you know believed in the bus industry when I started managing, we had six buses when lift we had seventy two. And a much the same with this. You know this was a new so on it pretty well as any five six years old. And I could say that this is different to other sonus and I'd like other sooners and mention is but the doctor. taught lices, places, lift you feeling. To be honest with you, I used to leave them drawback to say I'd never go near again. Disgusting. Was it? Yeah. You're right. They that haven't been asked because I only talked about going to some little time way they should go and that sort often feel that other venues you sort of feel like when you're in there, it's a bit of a secret. Hiding and not doesn't want their face to be seen whereas if you to wet on Wellington, it's sort of what that beautiful be Gretchen. In the spine everything quite open, it's almost more of a palace really A. Then hiding dot corner. Exactly that and and I can just say that this is a business that I could that I could help evolve. A new. Dimension in Solingen Travel. Many places I've at the world looking many Saunas and still haven't really found one as good as as you know I was in Vienna law she and look the one they brilliant. But you know I think as a social is what the Vienna one is. Probably number one in the world. Yeah. So Yeah I. I've noticed my the full months notice and I I don't believe in rushing. Started with the boys and we all have been there since and and every day is a great challenge everyday. Terrific. You make some fantastic people. You can always tell when the new ones coming because. You can just tell though we show them round and we show them the right way. Let them know what they can do and how they can be accepted and that sort of and and that's that's terrific. Yeah. It's an amazing marlet. How you said you've had you've got kids. How do you grandkids? One will be two next month quaint old and fifteen. Okay. So a few years we've had when they get older woman have problems with them going to one of your Saunas they got it. Now I'll really they'll come in and a swim Mo- something. Certainly. No. When it's open. Taliban. All all the kids Exactly. What? they paid through the businesses and that of the fantastic have to take them up to the Could be quite fun. But but I understand you know my kids on the stain. I'm no longer hardy me on doors or. My life is is is an Ivan Book You Don't have any issue that. Showing people what I'm proud of. So you're saying that you came out twenty three years ago as the of forty do you mind sharing with now listeners what the experience coming out of later in life was lock Ni- looks certainly it's It was it was tough. It was emotional. As a parent. Probably the worst thing you can ever expect his few children's turn on you. And I was married to a wonderful one. Today. We still the absolute best of friends beautiful and even though my son turns forty this year, we still parents him. We still parody a daughter in we do everything together such still. Divorced and on a new relationship and any money for thirty years and they love my partner and and. I love every bit coming out was was interesting. Look was it was one of those nights way? Both Milwaukee. Comfortable. She knew there was a problem. and has we quote longhairs and she went to the other end of the House and I could actually hear a crying. And also it all I can't treat this woman artist anymore you know semis love and respect for so actually went down the end of the and I just. Almost bloated it out and I. Did it in such a way that she wouldn't go running through the front window the. And she she hugged me and said looking at our respect everything about you and love you. And understand that you've been holding this sacred for you know as long as you've known and I, guess I'm nine hundred dollars a bit. Probably, ten. Years. But in my day, you live with it because pulse got bashed and. Society expected what picket fence and two kids now did that and I love that I would not change for the world. But To live a lie isn't. Teaching our kids to be honest I'm living a lie. Yeah. It just didn't didn't work for me I remember standing at some has Wanda at a time. Can I throw this away? You know had the best job in the country in A. Has Budget cars we had speedboats. GonNa pull this a solid and destroy a brilliant family and the kids just supported me or anything in sixteen mines. They say that it's not an issue. This long as you're happy, we don't. Really Beautiful. Still Emotional. And I'm grandkids you know the the follow up now you know they. you might be aware company used to on the G. H. O., Tel yes. I know. I can remember a one of our granddaughter's the. The age of seeks at the school I had a guy. Walked in she said, this is a real disk. POPs got a real. Nice listened whereas a G H hotel. In. Circle. I guess what? It probably comes Dan to his. Head loss of different if I had. Kept it in a bottle? And not done things you know there's been issues in my kid's life that they've had to struggle with and I think if I had a bane I, know hit trial fava with they've had to struggle with those type of things i. Still get you still hit you in the heart and. Because look. The end of the day appearance love for the child is unconditional an offset this to several guy. Table. Until, you've had a child. You don't know the love your mother has few. Father as well and I. And that goes to the grave with you. You know you don't feel any different you children. Of extremely lucky ones that I had a good coming out and in. Don't have the. Warri that you. Never had to worry from from the guy that that we're going to turn. Yeah, and nothing could. Have over the handle. Downing Handle. Well. Okay. So then so after you, you'd spend too often family about it. A lot of people come out sort of finish hostile and that sort of thing and and they go out and make friends when they younger how did you go about joining the the guy seen in making gay friends and that sort of thing unfolding Oh, coming Melbourne on weekends. Was Dangerous for Awhile Trust me Yeah. I. Would for for the first months only my wife knew and my mother in law who didn't know And always coming to Melbourne, the company that all working full. I gotta ask by by Person the took Irish general manager of the company when my employer sold it and but he said of Adam meat to the iron is and so I ended up leaving and I gave notice I've had another job take up straight away and that was another one of the Bussey industry. So every second weekend, Ozawa come to Melbourne and every other weekend my wife would come to Melbourne and she had French is. Anyway. So So you know started doing like the arm. freakazoids and. Different. Clubs on the market and so on. I can remember the very first time I was still married not out of this storm and auto heard about the lead Cochran. Solid Hotel okay, and before I came in I ring up Gamma Guy Married Means Association gets my voice and I said look main go to the Lady of minority for Melvin. So I know what I'm coming up gibbs straight and I'll look at me I'm hitting making Mansfield being in for meeting. I'm look look at the left news is hotel my God, the hotel. Pool and pointing saw it. And I said I'd have a beer thanks and everyone was in leather. Now. The only thing that I'd ever done as a Guy Anisette Gospel Truth Story is watched police academy where they go into the blue, oyster by all right now. I thought. This is not guy this is not. And in this big Kinda went. On I'm in the wrong place. Definitely not guy you know out in the car on time and anyway it wasn't until years later up that what would it actually once came I had actually met someone online and here's my first partner and we're still fringe to this day. And Funny enough. He lives near the Laden. Anyway we and and he took me to news save down at the docks and I walked in they was like, oh my. Time this is what it's all the way. How sick? Yea Shit twelve. It was just amazing and I and I guess that's what I'd be looking for. You know I love the Color Camera, but the funny room was happening and I love everyone head for each other. Chil what made him love so much like that. All that and it was great. You know as pot them a life once again that I didn't feel bad about. Citing without took him along to Oh. Well, that's who he turns tonight on the. Same. And I took him along with me. Amazing this Malaga. This is. It's. Different, Irene prototype. I'm now. When Wellington is a business. And you have to get these bills. Of any factors that keep businesses from thriving in this new era of dating APPs like grinder and stuff like that. Have you ever been down? Yeah look what started the we were. There was no such thing as APPS. And we had an amazing business. We still have an amazing business however the came along and they knocked off a bat twenty percent of the busy. Okay. Manager I've literally we went. What have we done? Wrong. Head we combat had it. We had a we have an APP for the Sony. There's just nothing that you develop. Then you noticed in Wellington straight the fees ago they started taking all the parking spot set your wonderful mark line sold some ambler at forty percent. So we always been evolving with things like that nude night under thirty's not that we had to go to vacate four to get a special exemption That's my people, my age ingredient. To get in. But. We diversified into swing is we have swing the on the third Monday every month we probably the biggest swingers party in Melbourne. ooh. Notes we have been. It's we have JIM noughts. You know if he if he coming with a gym membership, it's Sunny fifteen bucks entry your. Membership going. Britain's. Worth. You can come in and not be a Jimmy Person, but you could hook up with. So diversified into those that type of business and businesses is pretty good again at the time I was GonNa say it doesn't feel I could slacking when I've been. Doing. Well this improves when you coming. Off, take on some advertisers. WHO's pretty reliable. It's one of those venues is at least what I'm willing to way. You know like Oh I can rock up here. Yeah. Something going on I had friends that when only today there was a waiting in a queue at. So I have a twenty minutes because it was so busy. That's wonderful. Things are cyclical. Maybe. It was bit of a face because yeah the APP. So really exciting when they first came out, but now an APP having sex with somebody off an APP is a very different thing to. That fun of the someone else. In a venue in face to face, and that sort of you know you to it's a very different experience I think walking around the maze upstairs. Inspiring flooding with someone as opposed to the been chemical. WHO. OF OFFER APP? If I could just say I think the APPS have promoted a lot of pain P taught unsafe sakes. Yeah. We've coming in pretty hard on drugs having you if the ones that wanted to take off and coming to the venue I'm really not interested in they can have their option. Day money that that much. In the end it's it's a problem Yeah. It's an problem. Don't want was actually going off. There is a bit of a responsibility that you guys seem to have taken on both for people to safe sex whatever their version of safe sex is an but also with drugs and things like that people haven't been to the venue, can you explain some of the things that you guys have done sort of educate people around those those spaces yet back in two thousand, seventeen, August fourteen, we installed skein take scan takes thought awards system for entry we've got a lot of flack from I have to size. And it cost us a few customers. We we dealt with customers is basically good. Some people you'll never satisfied, but it's the. People Saif we used to get a lot of theft we even got salts. Yeah? An assault can be your slave and someone draws to touch you You know if you're asleep unconscious Aznar raisin. You know fix. With every crime, the TYKES plies pitted. After assault, you gotTA victim and you've got to try to. If any of you come to me and silent mullets paint stolen atom lock. Then we'll all I can say to you as we go to the police, the the the ultimate playbill, the police will come to us and say, okay, well, who, who'd you have in the venue if always have order the end sure. With putting in, we can certainly, you might not on every occasion Biagio, catch the criminal, but you got more of a chance than by not having absolutely another another reason we put it in. The first probably a bat to this and full three ran the forbid five or six years it was not unusual to see it amy, let's say it's all with I'm willing to probably twenty times a year. At. Houston knowing me because it's taking such a a a tall on am on services in that, and I've aimlessly should be doing other things and looking out to guys who don't have to control the drugging tixx. So we put it in if someone's court dealing in the venue or if the thia dice there on a six-month pain deal is getting flick forever but anyone taking advertisers they have a six month holiday from us yet we've net cut that down to we might have maybe one two ambulances annually Oh. Wow that's my. Yeah. And it was literally I've not that had happened in people got the message pretty quickly. Yeah. Because also like for some people I think the idea of having something like scan system that you know the suggestion that has a system in place. I've never been to like a venue like a sonar anything, but I definitely feel a lot safer if I nine. Yeah. But I think it can be a deterrent that someone that had the potential to commit a crime would potentially think twice. Just having this system in place. It's like playing classical music at adrain. Station. It crosses the safety for the patrons as well as it's just an overall deterrent. You'll some great signings around the venue which I imagine his decision by yourselves in the owners rather than a legal. Obligation can you explain some the signs? The APP around US vice we have the Saudis, who we put in probably probably stems back to. Conduct sewn in in Melvin six of them. They must be accredited by the Victorian government by the Department of Health. So it's not like you can just do a pop up thing. I always coming in I. I, asked. Somebody. And you got a certain code of conduct pecking in two thousand or or not. I will the Aruna actually wrote the code of conduct and the Department of Health said, well, we need to develop a new co conduct and we said, well, we've actually got one. So he handed so I went oh okay and then I sent it ran to the other sources that we didn't iron such a subway. and. So on and I looked and said, look, can we just had a couple of things and that's how it developed Tomo. Now now we talk with subways on all the time and we make sure s horns a consistent similar to each other. Yeah. We might have a different phones or something like that. But they we all trying to give the sign missy Tabet safety you know nine means now. You, know asleep or unconscious is in you know your raw have six. Safety. Lock as all that sort of thing and so it's all day to make. You will visit better. To make you stay safe because in the early days mentioned if you going to a sonar and you come out feeling duty in horrible, you haven't had a good visit whereas you know if you come at, you know you might. You might coming out of a place not hooked up with anyone but someone was moist off obtained pleasant to use long as you felt Saif. And the places claimed the most important things that you know. We offer you the and you can go anything well, didn't happen this time, but I still have good off night swim in the pool at a spa. A bit of a cruise. Mocking you out. To own room. So you can choose what kind of want to be watching. It really caters forever. Because it's a great outdoor space which usually only go at night. So it's not as good at that time but the there is that fantastic hat doors. It's beautiful Bhagat. Maybe. We can say you can come for the first time to a six on premises. We'll. To have sexist paper, you can just go and have fun and swimming pool and stuff. Now what if it? Well, if we were to take oil, that's a good example of what advice would you give to someone attending a gas on for the first time? I would say assist staff questions, read the Sony each and Nelson now you're it's. The Stoffel now, if you knew before the minute you walk. Area. And allows you to tell you before. I travel shy and the goal is we'll meet you in the front. I'll show you where all the way as areas island tour he lockers have crews area works because we got to steakhouses going up stage and the theater room, the Free Internet all that type of thing. But most of all. Questions. Know because you won't gosh now when he wants to yeah yeah. Stop and Oh you know headiest. So the communicate with people or something like that, and how many would you have on on a night weekends of the busiest it'd be two or three on Heb. They've always got as much as I want. To have a chat. Yeah, they have. A broken leg a few weeks. Had My leg in in a moon. which was too big. The expect this tragic. And it was too big to feed into one of the standard Lucas I went back and I was like I. Don't know what to do with this and they're like, oh, that's fine. They went and took me around to find one of the big local. Very Sweet Be Really careful and you. Very carrying it. Just you know bottom line is just just debbie fraud and it is a siphon you. Can now you can get in or out unless we let him Internet and I, and if you you'll ripe or something like that we'll. We'll. We'll be careful you gripe any any Newbie just just be fraud and what would you say to people who haven't been to sewn and maybe are conscious about their bodies What? Role. Fantastic. Yeah. All horrible. In everyone's always beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Once again, aside, IB show, I enjoy the freedom that you've got the when you come to Sony can whip it off and you could say, can I have a bigger tail? Failed, because it doesn't matter. People don't care because you know what one thing I've learned I've. A dozen US doing it is you know walk past US bottle see to massively be goal is that are just going for it My first is done to the SPA. Let's. There's someone for everyone yet. Soon as don't generally loomed in on people the Clientele that they knew you know you look at some of the stuff online and there's some bitchy coins. Side of things, but you know what? You just ignore them and I'm. Sorry. This question you still people if someone's breaking the rule, how do you do just yell it. In the middle of doing stuff you mean like if they're having sex and they hung second spot, you just kind of call out. So then would you spread them with water bottle like? WHOA, passe scares, me? Black case? Clearly. Are Now what you're doing. Stage on on our not routing. and. Much assign if someone is causing a bit of problem similarly approach by saying boys, what did you commit to heaven angry? No it. Yeah. Because if you WANNA stay here, you got to be happy and I want to be angry. Take it away go. Leave. And in that moment if they retract. And they angry still okay. Let's get address. Let's say you know you wouldn't a taxi and go home go don't want you here and bring down the vibe. Straight away you go. You got to knock it in the bud straightaway. But if you know generally people, they can say themselves getting the flake they like. The back. down. Back Up. You know people coming to three o'clock in the morning on we. Lick loss and saying, you cannot let someone who's drunk and even you Austin. So we're torn between. Do we go against like a licensing and let them into the venue even though they drunk or do we put them in the straighten anything to have a? Good, point. So what we side of them is okay call you'll quite drunk when you say you're not going to have a drink here you can use the facilities you can relax you do not gonna have any alcohol daren't get anyone to boy boy you've one otherwise put a Kevin Saint John Carey. Because, we don't want to let it Louisiana Lawson's, but we're already breaking by doing that anyway. So we're trying to look after you because we've already had of head staff that walked out of the and go bashed out the. Cricket Bat and he had no stitches pushing these heads ended up having to go back to New Zealand years never the sign. Yeah you go tinti thousand dollar. Pay Up big deal. Just Michael Thugs that thought his his an easy change. So we have a song on the door which you might have looked at in either says just behaviorally as rantings when you leave you. Soda the what time does it closed normally. Well, we close to I am in the morning I've been midday clubs until I am but we I've been fraud and twelve nine hundred close till Monday to twenty four. fibrils about how long someone's supposed to stay over that period now. Looking people. What I would very rare that we get someone sign more than twenty four hours. Yeah. if they do we just GonNa side like you've been here for one whole died. You you need to pay an end other entrance. You know we've lost seventy entails because. I'll be doing such y you know Yes. You can pass freely available week is no tom limit weekends it's four. Tomlin and it's a five dollar return at any Tom, and the good thing is other venues if you if you go to Elston week or something and you think Oh You can get a posse at they bring it over to wait and coming from. Bucks. Going on a trip. one thing I've always used to live in London and One thing I. really like about. Quote felt filthy and when you think about the amount of especially on those busy Saturday night since the bodily fluids and. I'm always amazed with how clean wet on Wellington is what's the right retain? How do they gave it so clean a bleaching two, hundred gallon. By his actually not blown. Out just like look we we spend just to give you a very quick rundown wrong when my clothes on a Monday morning after big weekend, we have three claims that do seventy house h well on the one day twenty, one cleaning Tuesdays to when size one cleaner those days one cleaner and then fraud I. It's a sign one clean, and then after we been on fraud I, it's every hour and a half way cleaning size you're doing a full second of the venue forever. And especially upstage because you know unfortunately guy voice on the cleanest. When I finished I finished just flick of uh the Condo at the room so. We have been in every room, but how do you advertise for a job like? It's very developed. Got Some. I have the greatest respect for cleaning stars. Has Matsue Many. Hundreds of tons of myself. It's not an easy job. and. It's got to be done. So it can be used. You know after we mopped the swabs and it has to be drawn down straight away because you know who wants to fall the love of their life walk into a room light and unfunny lying lemon disinfectant. Lack that act. Speaking of the venue itself not only does what I'm willing to have sling rooms. It's also suck. Glory glory holes lined up and they're very well done to one side of the is high like you got. To get down on your name. And the to porn rooms upstairs and cinema. How much is it being re I mean going about seven years. It hasn't really changed much in that seven years. HAS IT WE'VE? Made subtle changes over the years we've we've added the statues I motive or. The mobile statues upstairs, we've altered rooms and putting some rise beds and that were all to smoke cubicles. We sort of took the the Santa Pillar away and vodka, and my them lodge rooms. We have working on a plan at the moment to maybe completely redesign the whole top area. Oh Can Walk around that space with my eyes closed up done. Talking. I. Don't know if you've been to Babylon in. In Bangkok knowing actually got wheels that that move closing change whom we? Changed out of it. Yeah. That's quite. Looking at that but it'll be a whole redesign. Yeah. We don't want Lincoln's could because we can break it up into three spots the law Ms Name, the corner with the rise, all your area with the hard core ponies, and we can do each section cyber we we need to get their plans. Just a name that's not doing was probably a couple of years away but. We're always doing subtle changes and more noise we just. In the last year, we've just you know hundred thousand dollars air conditioning rotten on in I replaced a league conditioning Only this week we turned on idei solar panels to help. we're very, we think about bills more than. So IF PEOPLE WANNA make suggestions for any of. How do they get in touch? Oh, just send us an email. Dot Com do. Thank you so much. I'm such a fan of your work. Yes. He is saying we say much becoming and this has been absolutely fascinating pleasure to be able. It's yes. Thank you. 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Drug and alcohol use during COVID-19

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Drug and alcohol use during COVID-19

"This is Lithuania podcast. We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we are recording. We pay respect to elders parts and present and the aboriginal elders of other communities. Who may be listening today? Welcome to the GAZER revolting. A dissection of social and cultural issues relevant to game in we put the GE LGBTQ. I plus we hope you be the best G. You can follow us on instagram. Or twitter or join a community or facebook by searching the gays Revolting and support the show and access our officers and livestream at savior dot com slash gazer voting pod. It's a new week in the work. Very much feeling fabulous. I'm feeling sexy confident. That's good juror now on you. Mikey yes I am. I've actually been to talk a bit about on the border of New South Wales and South Australia. 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His parents place at the moment so he already knows all the home is that. Are you enjoying the Harry Potter series? Are you still going? Oh my gosh. I am the Harry Potter Movies. Which is completely bizarre. Because I love the camp British things and that's basically is very fun to watch it with my boyfriend because he is British and he grew up on the films and loves them and his watch. The million it's like when I show someone Muriel's wedding actually watching the screen. I sit there watching their face watching the you get two weeks looking at little facts about this saying that's happening right now. So he's loving loving watching it with someone for the first definitely get better. Tom See how people can say they progressively have we ever talks about the fact that jk rollings a total turf. I've only just heard this is. This is true for anyone on wor. Turf IS TRANS EXCLUSIONARY FEMINISTS. So someone is a feminist. Who Doesn't believe that Trans Women deserve our. I think we have mentioned on the show. I just think is like as no debate podcast. I'm sorry I haven't actually. I've literally heard this in the last couple of days having never read or watched Harry Potter before I wasn't entirely across it all. Is it legitimate verified as she? Yeah so am I still. Yeah absolutely politics spot. I'm enjoying the film the other day I My putting ahead to work so I and he doesn't do drugs so I thought I'm going to get really starting to take hold of wine so as Stein jungle this wine. Put a glass of water next my bed knowing that I'd need it heard the dog drinking it in the night. Wake up in the morning and thought you know what I know. The dog's been drinking from that glass of water. But I'm going to fucking drink in any way and rock bottom trudge myself to the boss. I drink it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't an option mackey. I'm sorry I had the dog water or die. I had a friend once who used to mouth fade sick bird because and yet that's the way baby birds. It's better than the other way round. I guess sheep would chew it up and then she would spit into the little beds mouse. I watched incredible movie. Potty of have you guys seen lion is Oh my God I never even heard maybe story About our brothers Nike. You gotTA watch line. It's so good. I watched it with my mom because I was middling her because she's just immigrated back to how she doing bottles as good as well as she can be for living on her iron installed sir. It is justified that is her cause. I'm providing care for her because she saw residing depression. Sorry before anyone gets away back. He's allowed yet. We watched the movie line together. And we're basically just like holding each other solving this beautiful but yeah it's about how this little Indian boy gets loss on. And then he gets adopted by like an Australian Bradley and his quest to find his mom and his brother who is. It's really beautiful so watching something. I also very late to the party but just watched Boy For the first time. If you're saying that I love him and yet what Title I WANNA be. I films absolutely stunning absolutely beautiful as you would expect from a TACO ITT. Film Beautiful Mary Story Setting New Zealand And it's on ESPN on demand. And I didn't think enough people going. Spf on demand. There's so much amazing stuff. I love played a highly recommend it out actually speaking of stuff to watch Just went into a little plug for something that okay and it's not anything. I mean which is applying equality Australia doing a queen loving on Sunday online which is hosted by thome ballad. And it's a whole lot of queer artists that have lost work of Judah Nineteen Really incredible beautiful diverse lineup of queer artists performing. Go and check it out speaking of drag this off the show will actually be rounding up some latest drag race so jump on Patriot for that. Franken about we will so so we didn't mention. We have some incredible guests for. That's very episode yet is very exciting. We've got John D'Amico who's the mayor of West Hollywood the actual current mayor of West Hollywood He was one of the first elected people in the US to be diagnosed with covered. Nineteen also obviously the mayor of incredibly Quia area And also interesting to hear his perspective as a person living with HIV. How how that sort of affects he's take on credit nineteen and then my Ken. I got to chat to Jack. Freestone from Econ your south where I was and we chat about drug and alcohol use during the pandemic. I wear very nice hats for this interview. Yes this interview features of very nice hat and some really great tips and you know I think it was. It was a good chat. Yeah Michika Chap to speak to us about what it's like to actually contract cove in nineteen we're joined by John D'Amico Mayer of West Hollywood. All the way from la where he lives with his husband case. John thanks so much for giving up your time to join us down on. Thank you for inviting me and if I can start with a correction. I'm joining you from West Hollywood not from Los Angeles. Well thank you for joining us all the way from West Hollywood all the way from Hollywood. Can you tell us a bit about the city? You preside over and especially its close ties to the community. Sure so west. Hollywood is a one point nine square miles which is Quite small But it is jam packed with residents. It has about twenty thousand residents per square mile as well as this extraordinary history of inventing. Not just the Queer Community in the twentieth century and beyond but really rock and roll. We invented movies. We invented recordings. We were sort of the center of the art world in the nineteen sixties in Los Angeles. So much of their kind of regular culture you think about Was invented right here in West Hollywood and then exported other places around the globe. Wow that's incredible. Yeah I think You know one of the things. That is Continues to be most remarkable about west. Hollywood is the extraordinary difference. That's contained in this really small one point nine square miles. We have infamous sunset strip where you know everyone from the go-goes to the doors to hangers. They were all born there as well as well. Before that in the nineteen forties and fifties with the rat pack inventing Hollywood chic. That happened on the sunset strip and two blocks away on Santa Monica Boulevard was always the center of gay life. You're in southern California. Way Back into the nineteen sixties Go go dancing was invented in a gay club in West Hollywood walks from that was Melrose and the design district where sort of the very beginnings in the nineteen fifties of interior design. Sort of coming out of the closet as it were Started right in West. Hollywood with some of our design showrooms and getting those ideas onto television which by the way west. Hollywood had the very first movie studio in Southern California and so all of those things as well. As being outside of purview of the Los Angeles Police Department meant that West. Hollywood was always a place of outsiders. It's where gay people felt safe because the Los Angeles Police Department wasn't hauling in downtown for Lewd behaviour. It's where when the United States had prohibition there were lots of speaking fees and underground alcohol gambling clubs in West Hollywood. It's that kind of energy. And that sort of rebranding of what it means to be living in southern California what needs to be living authentically. All of that started happened and really continues to happen right here in West Hollywood and certainly there are and have been darker and more complicated moments Certainly in the time of AIDS and the AIDS crisis you know about thirty percent of our population over those fifteen years about ten thousand people died. It was an extraordinary hit to our community. Not just in people who fled but in people who literally stayed but died in place and I think you know some of that stability returned in the late nineties and in the last fifteen years west. Hollywood has this had this incredible renaissance up until really the middle of March this year. When I think the entire Globe Was sort of knocked back on its heels and we're not sure where we're headed yet. But I have said this many times already and I feel confident that West Hollywood will invent a way out of this for itself and I think that will be copied by cities And people around the globe. Absolutely I mean I. It's already proven to be such a resilient community over the years. I think that that some definitely something that I think the world is looking to as the doesn't has never lived in the United States. It's fascinating to me. Such a small geographical area of the States can produce so much of what we perceive from another country. As much of the information that we get from the states does come from where you are. And that is from. You know your your. She's three of its culture and community. I guess now you mentioned Cueva de one thing I'm came to tonight is that you will one of the first elected officials in the United States to go public with your covered. Nineteen test results. You eat you have had covered nineteen. I'm what symptoms did you have a? And how did you go about getting a test so I had a massive headache? Maybe it was a migraine. I'd never had a headache like that. I'd never had a Migraine but it was really intense and then I had a little bit of coughing but then I started getting some fevers and those lasted for a couple of days called. My doctor actually texted my doctor said I think I have the flu. But there's so much craziness going on. I don't really WANNA come into your office unless you think I should. And then my doctor said well you should probably drive over here and stay in the parking lot. Leave your lights on and will come and test you for covert and you know. I agreed and I actually didn't think it was possible. Given how careful I had been in previous weeks But in fact that's exactly what happened and actually by the time. I got my test results. I was already feeling better which I now in five weeks later realized was incredibly lucky and perhaps not that irregular since many people have the virus and don't have any symptoms but you know I'm HIV positive. I've been HIV positive. Since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight just imagining this sort of confusion of those two viruses on the complications that could have ensued. I feel incredibly fortunate to have made it through that and come out on the other side feeling one hundred percent as someone who's living with HIV. How have you seen the nineteen experience compared to the experience of living with HIV people during similarities in the way the gay community sort of reacted during the AIDS crisis to what's happening now? Well I can only speak for myself but I will say there is one way in which it's very much the same in one way in which it feels very different than the weight and it's the same as that there is like there was with. Hiv there is a fascination with. How did you get it that that sort of idea that someone might be to blame for my predicament? And it took me until being infected with this virus to realize that I got it because I'm a human being and it's a disease or human beings get the way that it's different is that though the AIDS epidemic and we don't know we don't know where the covert epidemic will take us. But what I do remember about the AIDS. Epidemic is how slowly people got sick and died and with the covert epidemic. We see people who are a announcing that they are not feeling well and they're dead two weeks later and with AIDS My experience was that people were sick for months and months and sometimes years and then died and the the other confounding thing is that myself included. You know I was. Hiv positive for many many years before a sort of quote cure arrived and picked me up and carried me forward and also many tens of millions of people around the globe people who become positive for Kovin. They are pretty much through their disease progression within two to six weeks so they don't have really any time despair. There's either a cure or there's not that people are either living or they're not and and I think in some way that is a bigger shock to the system and to the sort of global idea of how devastating this pandemic candy and is Joan. A lot of the news that we're seeing in Australia from the states is about people protesting against the state high motors in in different areas. I'm obviously it's a huge country with a vastly population politically says you economically and all sorts of ways. How would the people in West Hollywood responding to the state high motives quite quite well? I think we have not seen those demonstrations in West Hollywood. This might be in that. Category of ways in which this epidemic is similar to the HIV epidemic is that People Trust a government and medical professionals in science to be telling them what to do in the face of a deadly epidemic country folks in the southern part of the US are. They don't have a lot of experience with government and education and medical advice Especially around panoramic though I think in West Hollywood you know our our population is fairly well educated pretty well connected to how the world works in engaged in community making and community building and so the fact that we have asked our residents to shelter at home safer at home We have found that. That's the case. We also do see a lot of people out on the street not congregating but using our public streets to go for a walk. Take their dogs for a bicycle etc. So they've kind of found a new way to be in their lives but it's not through protests in. It's not through ignoring our request that they keep some sort of social distance and they take care of themselves and others and obviously a huge part of that is part of your responsibility really is to lead by example to share information and that sort of thing I also know that mental health has always been a big priority for you and I have seen some of the during the the epidemic. Come making sure checking on people's mental health and that's the thing but I'm keen to have your Judy's as made changed at all. Since across the started they have. I think it's become a much more serious place and by sometimes joke and say that our footprint is a larger than our our pump you know in which we we sort of sort of affect and and talk to far more people than live in just West Hollywood and so with this a covert epidemic like with the HIV epidemic With other social Socially relevant issues. We're trying to lead by example and so all of us are very much engaged in not the everyday day to day. What's going on our city but very much engaged in making sure that we're leading by example. All of us are wearing masks in public that all of us are having a presence in the community that is about taking care of this epidemic does not rage out of control not just in our city but in in the region or maybe even larger than the region for example. This radio show if we have that opportunity. Yeah so nearly forty percent of people in West Hollywood identify as lgbtq. I plus what do you find? Queer people want from the area. Well I think if they're anything like me they know that not only. Are we interested in their authentic lives? We Wanna see them. You know we wanna see a real where people living there. Queer lives not just You know doing the Highfalutin things like inventing the culture. But just walking down the street holding hands nor expressing their gender expression just really e- proving our point that our interest in their full embodiment of of their lives is what we want to see and is what we expect and so one of the one of the facts about West. Hollywood that is often surprises. People is that seventy percent of the residents of West. Hollywood were born outside of California and so people move to this city on purpose and many of us believe that's the reason not because they will. They're necessarily LGBT but they know that whatever it is they. WanNa do however it. Isn't this Saif. They can live right here and their neighbor is GonNa love them. They're gonNA love their neighbor even if you know they don't have that much in common. They're going to really understand that that's why they're here. That's why they're in West. Great wouldn't amazing. Yeah that's really. Yeah fantastic looking at it. That's beautiful now John. Before we let you I'm really keen to know What do you? How do you think trump's fairing in the in his response and do you think it's it's been a help or a hindrance to his reelection chances in November you know that knucklehead does not deserve one more day in that office and many of us are doing all we can to make sure that not only? Is this the last time sees in that office but this is the last time anyone liked. Kim is in that office in our lifetimes. I may not be the best city council member. That's ever urgency on our city council or been the best mayor that's ever earned a seat but the kind of havoc and ruin that he is brought to. America is unforgivable. I don't wish bad on him. I just wish he were not Ruining the country that I love and it's it's incredibly painful to watch it happen especially since I have the smallest amount of insight about how government can be responsible. How government can actually help people how TRAIN IN FOCUS? Its abilities on making people's lives better and it just seems that every single move of this president and his administration is in a direction opposite bat. And it's not that I have the sense. That like fifty. Two percent of the population is getting better. Because they're not you know you're either getting the horrible side or the more horrible side. The one percent of people in America who are making out under this president. I'm not even sure that they're making out anymore. Yeah it's it's from an outsider's perspective and I don't know if you degrade jump but one of the most bizarre things to watch. Is that the the very people that he seems to be disadvantage in the most seemed to be his biggest supporters and I think that's because if he's incredibly manipulative language and very convincing way of talking that he has actually tricked a lot of these people into thinking that his he's on their side and he's helping them when really. It seems to be the exact opposite. Well Yeah I don't know if people are tricked or if I think it was President Johnson who said you can pick the pocket of a white man if you can convince him is better than a black man and I think that. That's that's really what's at work here is sort of. Xenophobia in native ISM and white supremacy. Is You know convincing this mind. Sort of sad and maladjusted population of Americans who think the way out is by trampling on others versus the kind of America. That many of us believe is really the better idea. Which is that together. We have so much more power to make it better for everyone. And you know that's that's a you know Capital D. Democratic idea for me and some people think it's not attainable but for me. I just think that people are really good at at the bottom of all of it and if we can convince them to draw on that then we can make those kinds of things happen. The way yeah. Let's let's HYPOC friendly m trying as I know. Many many many people across the US are low fingers crossed. We can check in November fifth. If you'd like John It's been such a pleasure to speak to you. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I might sneak in one. Little question to end on a lighter note What's what's it like being called the hottest mayor ever according to the real housewives of Beverly Hills. Whatever choice do I but I do I do. I do want to say on another note. Hollywood is a destination for lots of Australians. And not and we love that about the past and we hope that once were through this crisis it will remain true in the future because You know we we love when people come and visit and it was my hope that during my time as mayor or shortly after I would be heading to Australia. So you know because I've met so many great. Australians who left here go I think once this is all ever going to be very nice. Oh that's right soon as we can travel six months in the history of cowboy. Thanks thanks John. What's not say? Thanks to all of you morning go so. I'm really excited about tonight's episode. Because we have some some more mazing guests and tonight we're joined by Jack He's a manager of alcohol and Drug Services and mental health at ECON acquit Health Organization based in New South Wales. So thank you for joining US tonight. Jack thank you so much for having me of Kalisa Ola. Few of our favorite things I guess. Alcohol and drugs even on our show so firstly. Jack for people who use substances do we know whether triggers cravings stronger during times of intense stress like the current situation? Yeah it's a good question. I think we need to knowledge that everyone's response to stressful events. That are taking place with a second place. Right now are really individual people. Seconds dances are really individual to but generally speaking. I think it swelling knowledge that stressful lock events in stressful circumstances. Can on the whole make people will try to kind of one or alleviate the symptoms of stress through the use drugs and alcohol of both Kind of caveat that by recognizing that not all substances necessarily stress-related Ada people report using alcohol drugs for the experience of enhancement of pleasure oil for the purposes of socializing in connecting with a pig groups. I suppose looking at the Of Situation and the situation with special distancing we don't really yet know whether or not current stressful events will result will have resulted in more alcohol drug use among sexuality and gender diverse communities that said. I think we do. I that some people in our communities use alcohol and other drugs to UvA uncomfortable experiences into self medicating deal with experiences of stress and also experiences of Boredom. We also know that when people in managing alcohol or other drug use in their lives retains can be really important Cypher example if befall covered nineteen in before social distancing. You had a job anyhow. Show up to that job impasse in every day at a second time and found that the accountability of having to be physically present at work ole even to attend where perform will at work helps. You manage your substance use than the lack of accountability. If you say lost your job in recent times or if you don't physically have to go into work anymore could put some pressure on you put you in a bit of a challenging situation so much of what helps us stay well mentally physically and not just on general sense of wellbeing. I think comes from that experience of connection without loved ones in that experience of connection without pay group and I think it's totally understandable if if people are experiencing more cravings triggers at this difficult time. Yeah it definitely makes sense and even personally for myself. I have certain coping mechanisms and strategies that in the current climate. I no longer have access tres. Absolutely I guess my advice in general to spe be kind to yourself and recognize that we're experiencing something pretty major right now and if you are upset or distress or if you feeling likable cravings of triggers around use than that's pretty normal And it's good that you're aware that you can stop putting some strategies in place about how you respond to deal with that. I feel a little bit like next. Question is actually reading fulfills a little bit but I'm going to ask it anyway It's probably not a surprise we've talked about on the show in the past that drug and alcohol use is quite common within the LGBTQ. I plus community but there is often an. I shed this viewpoint and I am cognisant that it's dumb. Sometimes that we can have this point that when this is initial war it's harmful to my wife stop and been the same way with substances in the Pasta. Do we even know that. Does that. Point exists when a habit or a substance becomes quote unquote harmful to you. You know it. Does that even exist in reality? Look I think it's a really good question. And I think it acknowledges yeah lots of people in our communities recognize use drugs and alcohol and it's it's my personal belief that not all drug and alcohol use in itself is always harmful and that we a lot of people in our communities can use drugs alcohol report experience of Of course the as you acknowledges will when we're talking about drugs and alcohol there is potential to experience Homs that's undeniable and in terms of recognizing when that yeast not be harmful there are. There are different ways that someone can go about doing this. This a bunch of kind of clinical scales indicated that people can can plate which provide necess- moment of whether someone is experiencing harmful substance use? These scales might measure things around. How often someone using all the amount of someone's using or they might question whether someone is reporting feelings of dependence on a particular substance so that feeling that VINEETA certain substance to get through the day to day laws and they would actively Mississippi but I think various types of scales that. I'm talking about to help when it comes to treatment services and clinical settings and things like that that really useful. But I think a lot of the time when we're speaking out friends all when we're working alongside community members around drug alcohol use trying to determine the impacts of drug and alcohol use whether or not it's harmful Where often looking to kind of tangible experiences in people's Day to day lives so looking to things like finances she nine I you I will pay bills and pay your rent or is he substance. Use impacting your ability. Oh you might be looking at things like your relationships. Have fewer relationships free negatively impacted by substances saw? Have you made decisions while you a high oil while you were drunk? It just sits sir well with you Maybe when you're most cyber ultimately these questions are a helping paper look at the impact of substitutes on their everyday lives in. Macon fend for themselves about whether the you know. The pledges will reward survey personally associated with substance use on balanced whether they're worth if we also consider the ham so the few different ways of determining. I really liked that idea of putting something in select more objective context. I think it works with mental. Health is while we know a is to look at the financial something that you kind of disputes or something. That isn't like hypothetical I really like that idea. You're trying to measure these kind of things in terms of ham and and where you're at and I think that's another thing when we were reflecting on whether or not substances has become harmful. I think it is a very personal reflection on the truly going to be motivated to address substantive so change any behaviors around if they personally believe that there is a negative impact rot Yvonne. No one else can tell you just blanket that yours is harmful. I feel that it was something that you have to earn via sow now Jack. One thing I wanted to know is what sort of some of the basic ways sort of harmful alcohol and drug use can sort of start to affect someone's mental health. Yeah say sometimes when when people talk about the relationship between alcohol and other drug use and mental health might refer to it like the chicken and the egg question sort of which one came first. It's a less such Turkey question. Yeah sort of that nation of. It's not entirely clear if someone's alcohol or drug use has resulted in expe- inexperience of mental health. On if someone's concerns around mental health have exacerbated the drug and alcohol. It's sort of a bidirectional low two way relationship and I think that h can impact on the other one. I think that there's often a perception among people that substances and alcohol included can be can be effective said that unlock. It can facilitate a feeling of escape or it can enhance pleasure. You know However problem start to arise with this approach if this is the only strategy that you have to address symptoms of distress in your life and if your retain -ly addressing symptoms of distress three drugs and alcohol in a long time. I think you mental health is going to be impacted Anya and I think that's you know it would counseling. Services can really help people understand that substances in how how to drink how to use drugs in less harmful ways How to develop the skills to improve their mental health into improve the relationships Biz another common sort of interaction between alcohol and other drugs and mental health. That you may be familiar with around comedown. If I say the word into my old friend come down. So it's like it's pretty common after the experience of Drinking Abbott trickier using drugs. I personally think they can be a comedown from drinking alcohol. Yeah end or missed. Often people might associate come downs with stimulant drug methamphetamine. All India may so it's those days off the May be had a big session of of using drugs or alcohol and you might experience that kind of slow at all that Iran ability that anxiety can be really really raw. Say I suppose that's kind of an example of how alcohol and Drug Impaired Mental Health Michelle. It's it's a roller coaster and I would say I am a common person that seeks out like the temporary solution to a negative emotional has been like Patton Fizeau so so many years and instead learning to be kind to yourself. Yeah let may be kind to me rather than a joint be kind to me. All you know some sort of substance. Be Kind to me. And if we're talking Iraq comedown and being Conti Self. I think come down number one time to be kind to yourself it preparing for it too. I think if you know you know we don't. We don't necessarily always plan use. You know when one thing might lead to another but if you know that you are. GonNa have a big night set aside that time for recovery a stuff that fridge hydrate slay the Hydra light ready yes. Y'All cannot tell route them story. I Echo I was getting an uber. Home real real late at night. It was one of those evenings. I'd I'd say no show and this beautiful driver actually like looked over at me. Attempted to compensation and then he reach into his pocket and he was like. You're going to need this in the morning at gave me like four sachets of the high delight light. Take care of yourself because you're gonNA need this bay. What a lovely drive and a good review. Five stars I five. Yeah but speaking of being at the eighty six and getting Uber's extra It's something we're not really doing right now. Because they're closed and that's often a place where people taken find they substances you know or somewhere where people would go to turn the potty for lack of a better term do you say this isolation as a SUV aligning or an opportunity for people to actually take that kind of step back from this substance. Use to say. I'm actually going to give a go of just quitting this together. Yeah I think that I think that for people who I eat only using drugs in the context of going out and partying than yeah. I think this absolutely presents a really good. Pacini and people probably will automatically be using less alcohol or other drugs if they're using in specific circumstances and maybe on a relatively infrequent basis think it has also loads if people hey use drugs and alcohol at home or he's drugs alcohol in settings that are not necessarily not club so potty based settings and instructing hall on a more frequent basis as well but I also think that this kind of change this this the new environments that were adapting to now does present a cheesy who people tip intentionally renegotiate their relationship with alcohol or other drug use. I think that united changes in environments changes in routines can be really conducive to changing and sustaining new habits and behaviors so absolutely. I think there's some potential that show. I've completely stopped looking. Dole handles stopped. It's an amazing. I'd never thought such restraint. I guess if you if you are someone if you in that position of wanting to set some goals around you use at this time we'll negotiate your alcohol or drug use. At this time I reckon be really clear about what it is you want to achieve. So is it the stop using for a period of a few weeks? So do you just want to cut back and not use on certain days of the week or maybe just want to switch to light beef for example if we're talking about alcohol on whatever your goal is make sure it's something that you want to achieve that it's really important to you that it specific and that it's achievable? It will give you a sensitive kind of accomplishment in confidence you've been able to achieve it to last week in our off to show we were talking about sex potties happening on zoom Are we seeing sort of like drug use creep into the online world in that way as well yeah? I think we're finding lots of new and creative ways to use the Internet during social distancing definitely. I think drug use online was happening before guided. Maybe it's happening more now. I'm I'm not totally show but I think sometimes in in our communities druggies online can be associated with sexualize drug use if they may be using drugs crystal methamphetamine oh GHB in a sexualize context and the media not wanting to make casual partners at the moment in low of advice about social distancing than yeah they might consider taking substance use online and then facilitating that sexual connection through kind of camping things as well. So I've had that that's absolutely going on right now but whether it's happening more or less than it was before not entirely show not do that. I think that online Is a really would risk reduction strategy in terms of covered nineteen bought this a bunch of things to be really mindful about if you're using drugs malign typically we don't advise the people used drugs because there's risks associated with if something goes wrong in that setting than -arily anybody else there to kind of check up on you and make sure that you stay. You'll stank safe so if you are using online fuel by yourself while you doing not think it's a really good idea to let a good friend know that you doing that Make sure that you agree with that friend. How about how you can communicate throughout your session. Check in with each other a grave. If there's no response within a certain period of time that friend might come and check on you or even Colin Ambulance Putting in some some safety measures like that's a really good idea. I'm taking I'm furiously. Taking down millions zoom sex party you know but but it is true being alone at the best of times is something that you should always have some awareness of an and we do have like a side note before we wrap up which is talking about a different type of drug who this is a drug. I've talked to some people and Saint People online talking about deciding the hey I'm just gonNA hop off of prep for awhile because they're not sexually active and it's not really something that people were actively going out of their way to engage in at the moment considerations that people should be aware of here when that going cold. Turkey off of it for isolating. Yeah it's a good question. I think the great thing about practice that you can stop it and you can start at someone you start taking you not committed to taking premises -sarily everyday for the rest of your life. That's kind of one of the advantages of drug. I think it's reasonable. If you know that you not having any casual sex right now and he tight one. Awaits REP MOM? You don't WANNA fill scripts to get new prep. I think that's a reasonable decision to type. I think that there are some considerations if you are going to stop the n one of them. Is that while you might end recommended at this time that you died have casual sex not intend to have casual sex that we can't always anticipate what's going to happen. What happened go? It can still happen and you know if you do end up having casual sex just being really mindful of what other risk reduction strategies you might use in that instance so whether that's a conversation about HIV and whether someone's HIV positive HIV negative or using condoms discussion about the if someone's HIV positive taking treatment site just being mindful of those other risk reduction strategies that we use if not taking prep and tons of stopping this slightly from Gaden for different populations. If your assistant man have sex with men to stop using daily Cape taking prep want today the two consecutive days off your loss possible exposure to HIV. Saying if you haven't had any sex in the last two days you can stop easing Immediately but If you're anybody else so if you're a trans genitive postseason or assist gender. Women are heterosexual man stopping prepa slightly. Different if you can stop using daily preppy should keep taking prep once a day. The twenty eight days up. He'll muscle Possible Exposure H. After the most recent time you had sex this has been so good. I feel like we should have some slides up like a link. You can tell days it's really useful and important information. I love being out on the on the health promotion information with you guys railing you into sort. It's I really appreciate that SORTA. Yeah and I know like personally for conversations. I've had and the questions machi. You might get them to an instagram stuff. Like PEOPLE COME TO US. 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Best of: Embracing sexuality as a person of faith with Pastor Alex Pittaway

The Gays Are Revolting

56:32 min | 5 months ago

Best of: Embracing sexuality as a person of faith with Pastor Alex Pittaway

"This is a lip media podcast. We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we are recording. We pay our respect to his past and present and the aboriginal elders of other communities. Who may be listening today. Welcome to the gays revolting. A definitive weekly news source for contemporary. We put the gene in. Lgbtq way bus and we're here to make it clear. I know you love me back those great integrated that very well. Thank you and we're here to help you. Pay the best g. You can be show us some love by following us on instagram or twitter or join our facebook group at the gate and you can support our show and listen to find us off. Show is becoming a patron at patriot. Dot com slash gays revolting pod path. Everybody hey mike he's off. He's traveling europe again. Centers left for a good time. Not a long time. he's having a week off. So it's just myself kyle. And thomas wake. That's right but Last night we're recording this from the future. So last night was a live show. Yeah so they. It went really well and we didn't have a big fight on stage last book. It was really lovely to meet you. Everything ran well. Listen i remember that means need is coming to an end tomorrow. Yeah you just had the mid some extravagant had every fucking thing being crazy but yeah we have to meet some extravaganza loss. We can an amazing thing was after the show had a dj plane. Yup downstairs and john hughes came out with Johnny b. goods dance crew that doing dance classes midsummer and they just started whacking. The the the house down. You know people you basically. We tend to the stalls. Foyer of hey mahal which is like surrounded by like author boyd paintings and that sort of stuff into a gay bar and yeah jonah and aircrew and just amazing dance in the middle of the cool and it's like the whole communities. Everyone's just dancing and having a fun time and yeah. It was really lovely. That was fun. And if y'all wanna support us but don't want to come to the live shows you can become a patron of as a patriot dot com slash gays revolting pa Because you'll get access to a off to show today. We're talking dirty again next. Talk so pepe time. Let's talk about sex baby I'm we'll be talking a little bit about the influence of alcohol and Sexual escapades toronto. We'll have to hypothesize. Yeah i i mean. I'm sure it would happen. Vienna untucked episode. Do have a very exciting upset coming up. And we are interviewing gay pastor. That's right alex away. Who is a gay pasta from the mcc Any time someone says. Mcc say it won't let me be. I marvel cinematic universe. yeah about the. Mcu it'll be interesting. It's very interesting so to talk to a man of faith communities from brisbane as well so very nice to have him in the studio for a little bit of a especially usually heathens. He sitting it up in here. Holy talk sometimes is what we. It'd be nice so today. We're joined by alex piece away. Who is a gay passer from. He's been alex welcome. Thanks so much. I wanna ask you now. You are a reverend. what do we call you. Is it like the queen. Reverend i after all look just postures just alex titles such ranks so called. Alex lit for the lord. Sure what god one bless you. I've never heard that you discover the podcast through gay christian bible study. I think there has to be the first time anyone had about the gays revolting through a christian bible. Study that you know of in a positive It was actually It was the first month that i moved to brisbane and someone who's a really great Sort of leader in our church. He was running a group. A bible study for gay christians and he affectionately called homo group and he invited me along one night because a lot of people in my church go there. And so we We're looking at a pace of scripture which talks about being counter cultural as a reference point. It was this podcast And people were discussing. What gaza garage in the vein of being sort of counter cultural. And they're sort of version of counter. Cultural will being counter cultural by being quia by being gay by being lgbt. I and Being christian being spiritual at the same time And so yeah it was. it was through here that That i i had it Gosh that would have been way back in two thousand eighteen. I think july august. And how long have we been doing show by we've shed a lot of biblical moments on. It's not a surprise to me that they might be studying your trips to wait on. Wellington dotting the alex. You're the possible for church. Made up mostly of lgbt on people who've been rejected from mainstream churches yes so Mcc has been around in brisbane for forty five years And you know we've been cold at the church For gay people We've been cold especially during the eighties and nineties. The the church that has aids We have an aids quilt by sydney congregation in brisbane congregation. And for a while we were the only people who would do funerals for people who died of aids in nineteen eighty s and ninety s And we lost about one third of all of pastas globally. hiv aids. Yes so we're very much a church run by the people. It's called dumb. If you're a church history node like me then Congregational model of church. Which means that the church decides the pasta is the church decides what direction even what beliefs the church has is very much a grassroots organization. And it's not so much sort of top heavy pasta decides everything Organizations is much more much more grassroots than that overall. Unfortunately in australia the landscape spiritually is very very tough for gay people. I think melbourne is probably the most a gay affirming city in terms of church. Wise there are just many many more gay affirming congregations. When i say affirming it means you don't just have to sit at the back and we'll take your money but don't you think that you can get married or anything else. It's people know we will do your marriage. We will Support your relationships we. We're not trying to secretly ten. You straight we don't think you're going to hell. And we fully welcome you. So there's many of those In melbourne including mcc melbourne including several anglican churches several uniting churches in sydney. This probably about five or six in brisbane. There's just three out of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of churches. And it's it's sad because you know in america despite america being a much more conservative place in indianapolis the city that i studied in to be a pasta. There are something like thirty five. Well affirming churches and they have five major denominations that fully embrace gay people priests gave michigan's gay marriage. The full enchilada. Yeah yeah in fact. They even have They they all have a gay supportive groups that have yearly conferences. Unfortunately in australia. There's just not a lot going with uruguay person and you walk into a church. You're rolling the dice. Sorry just to step back a little bit it's cold. Dmc say. And that's the metropolitan christian church metropolitan community unity church. But it's been a d you teach the christian teachings but the the main different spain that you as a community decide what the core beliefs are of the church. Is that correct. Yeah at basically. We are made up of spiritual refugees which means that the people who come to our church people who have been rejected for mainstream judges. Every kind of cianci can think of We've got baptists catholics mormons jehovah's witness every different denomination out there. Usually those denominations those different churches would be at each other's throats but in mcc that can all come together and be united. Yeah so we have a really different model of church than a lot of other churches in that you are free to pursue your faith and your spiritual journey and no one is going to tell you what you have to believe or what you don't have to believe and that's what was so freeing me having grown up in an environment a church environment where it was. No it's this way or you're going to hell And so being an mcc being free to pursue whatever faith that i wanted to was really freeing and There's only two things you have to do for it to be an mcc metropolitan community church church service you have to have a rating from the bible. And you have to have communion. That's open to everyone okay. Which for a lotta people from other different beliefs. What do you mean communion open to everyone. It's only supposed to be this and it's like no everyone is. This is an eight. The sorry. i'm a hazing is a the my best friend's a haven get well it. It means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. But it's mainly a meal of remembrance. Your jesus dying on the cross. And you remember jesus blood. Hence the case non alcoholic grape juice the walk. Yeah and jesus body case. Gluten-free bread But generally the most recognized beijing when you have the bread and the wine because my sister was allowed to do that. I wasn't allowed to do that homer. Chris but i never knew what that actually was. So that sex catholics. Believe in a thing called trans substantiation which means that as you eat the wifi the wine literally becomes the body and blood of jesus as it goes down lawrence right And so for us. We say look. This is the body and blood of jesus however way you want to Interpretation is it also. Do you have a lot of transient binary people in the churches. Well absolutely we probably have the highest number of trans pastas of any denomination in the world. Al congregation i'd say about five to ten percent of the people who come trains or gender non conforming. We have this version of the bible Out there called the inclusive of translation of the bible. Instead of saying god created the first man it's god created the earth creature and it doesn't give agenda. Brilliant to adam let's grow. It's until adamant eve where created. Then you start to see a gendered language but it says something very powerful. It says that You know people who don't fit in that male female binary they also have a place And i think for a lot of trans people even a lot of lgbt. I people they feel like the bible leaves them out. The church leaves them out and what we're trying to do at mc is say no. You are included. You are welcome because it can be a very destructive thing. Even if you don't believe to think that you're there's a god out there that hates you you are. We have One person she's amazing she's called katie and she Is a trans woman who transition this year. And she said the first place that she felt she could transition and be himself was at at chet. Amazing because i imagined for a lotta lotta trans people that once they do offend their agenda that traditional religious institutions would not be the my spoke me of places for them to go and so it must be so hard to not only be cut off from your social circles in and out often from your colleagues and that sort of thing to to also be cut off from your religious community must be really gut wrenching thing over there just people that are going through that that journey of transition absolutely and not only that there are oftentimes cut off from their kid soon as well. Oftentimes they have kids. Oftentimes they have families and You know i was a counseling. When i arrived. I was helping a A trans woman. from a singaporean background. I'm he faced enormous amounts of heartache. From her former spouse thankfully though. That's that's been mended a bit bit. Yeah it's for us. you know. We provide a safe place that a lot of trans people go to As a safe place that they can be fully who they are previously. You did mention a bit about your religious upbringing so you grew up his of hill song. Which i think was guy sebastian's church or as well i. He went to a pentecostal church in adelaide that was linked to heal song. Brush my gosh. I'm so sorry. I'm so pentecostal church. It's the first class you go to a seminary standard necessary. I'm could you let listeners know a bit about the environment of he'll song itself and what impact that had on you or has had on other young gay men So i went to hill song because my family went to hill song. I have four older sisters and so we all used to have to go to hill song in matching clothes and all of us were these sort of like hitler youth style blonde so we were visible from space. I cooked too. So he's And so look initially as a kid growing up it was a lot of fun Growing up in hill song because we used to get kids camps. You know we used to do all kinds of fun. Things dad used to run the kids camps and so we used to have so much fun as children. Even though i was one of five and all my sisters matching pink dresses like look nice. Then i think when i turned about eleven twelve was when i really started to realize i was i. I realized that i was gay. I'll never forget it was a it was a trip to the gulf coast and i was walking down What an awful place to go saw. These like raunchy postcards yeah and there were like cough naked. People like wow. The gulf coast is really raunchy certain sydney and so It was actually. It was the postcard that did a- And so that was when i really realized hang on. I'm actually. I'm actually attracted to men and that's a bad thing because my family has told me in a very supportive and loving now but my family at that time They told me that to gay men these evil people who when they kiss they make aids and they walk around in their underpants and even when they crossed the strait yes go across especially when crossed this And but the really scary part though. Was that the school that i went to. You could be expelled to being gay. I saw people being expelled for being gay. The church that i went to being gay was a one way ticket to hell And and my family said they would never let a person in the house. And i think there were no definitely no role models around in the i lived in a very suburban part of sydney Called the hills district. And that's he'll gets its name becoming an And so you know what. They didn't talk about Lgbt on issues much but when they did it was An environment where they were very explicit and they would say look. We've got this passage in the bible and it says that women can't preach but we put that in context but if you're gay there's no context for that unless you change Then then you're going to hell. I remember i finally came out to my youth later at the age of fourteen. Because i was really really struggling would be secretly falling in love with my friends I would be really in a in a. I felt like. I was being torn apart by these. Two polar opposites of faith on the one hand. This i'm clad. Reality of who. I thought god was and who i was which wasn't changing. You know i would. I would sit in the shower every morning and say god. Can you please take this away. I don't wanna be down thirty And it wouldn't happen. And every day i would be reminded of Of that who. I was was wrong and sinful and i kinda emphasize enough. How toxic that is algae. Pti people in your developmental years to be taught and told by your school your church at your family and your community everyone. You know that that who you are means that god hates you And so i came out to my youth leader and He said. Don't worry my father's gay as well. But he's chosen god over his sexual activity. You can do the same. And sins of the flesh say yes and so. I was introduced to escape. Therapy that. He'll song was running at that time. i had a meeting with a pasta. And he said if you come out. I know someone who's come out after being in the church and he's a broken man and that's the life that you're going to lead you come at. You will live your life as a broken person. You'll be in clubs you'll be on drugs you'll be You'll be having meaningless encounters You know that's the life that you want to lead and most importantly you'll be damned for all eternity so he'll songs this week environment where people go there because it's a cool place to go to like people go there because as a teenager. They had escaped park that the big buildings. Hey it's like an entertainment center like what's going on in this sort of thing never been there. It's like going to a hill song services like a rock concert. Self help seminar. It's like it's a big impressive experience And there's lots of really cool people around people who dress well people who look trendy and so i was pretty low down on the priority list as a skinny computer game playing Introverted person Thankfully they did any follow up work. So i didn't have to go through ex gay therapy but a lot of Have probably about ten to fifteen people who are friends of mine or who are in my congregation who have been through it. And it's a horribly wicked destructive using have one person in my congregation who went through it in the fifties or the sixties and he literally had electrodes attached to his generals aces that he was showing images of men and given electroshock therapy And thankfully he's come out of the closet now and he's In a much better place. It's really interesting the judgment. call it. The reverend speaking to you. When having that conversation with you and saying things like you'll go to clubs and drugs and you'll have meaningless encounters. Because i do all those things but that's not but i have a very happy fulfilled life like the way that the way that they're presenting that to the evil gay man that will do these things. I don't actually that can still be a really good point. Happy about ballot exactly. Yeah it's about the soul not their actions in. I'm you did mention in there that your family Have been on a journey since since you came out Are they still part of. He'll song now right. So do you think. Is that related to your coming out. I think like most australians You know sleeping on a sunday or go to church. In the morning i mean. My parents are very faithful. People and They were so supportive of me. I'm getting into the ministry In mcc The dad flew all the way from sydney to indianapolis to watch me graduate seminar august then. Mom and dad kept to brisbane. Even saving him to brisbane. Take even to watch me be ordained and pasta. So they've been very very supportive But you know The church they were going to heal song. Yeah it's just such a big place. Thousands of people who go there to say that you're a member of he'll song is like saying you're a member of mcdonald's drive-thru how how attached can you be to a big big place like i feel like there's going to be a judge on colin. I don't want to make a church that you were a pot of but to me as an outsider. Looking at different religions and churches hill songs feels very much like a business. And just the way you described these camps that they would have to sort of make the kids feel like they're part of cool exclusive club to sort of make feel attachment to the church and then also having things like skate parks and beautiful big buildings and that sort of thing. Do you agree with that. At all or is and i mean in terms of music business. Yes they run a music business. They run a global music business Say that the way that they operate is sort of like a franchise model the way everything is centrally controlled From sydney they have churches in america. They have churches in europe. They have churches in south america. They have churches everywhere. I think about a quarter of a million people go to hill song churches. Now and look i you know. I don't want to say anything. Negative about their spiritual journeys. Il-sung is actually remarkably like the catholic church in the way that it's set up in the van of it. Instead of wearing vestments like sort of colors and priests outfits they wear designer label close. Both of those things are communicating. Something about the spirituality. That theropod on the church brisbane. They even time so that they're exactly the same time and the people leading the music listening to the musicians and going at exactly the same time so that they live livestream in the So it's a very well coordinated very well structured I think they do have questions to answer. In terms of what their structure is the and and accountability. I am accountable as a pasta. To the members of my church and into a denomination. It's the members that decide how we spend our money. It's the members who decide who's in a leadership so we're all very transparent. We vote on all the stuff. I've yet to see anything similar to that At hill now as a pot of eighteen years. Now you turn tell me that. They won't wide global music streaming without any homosexuals involved in life. That just sounds ridiculous. Right some lesbians tinker organization. I mean look The the priesthood and pastas that profession of pasta. He'll song all major denominations has a disproportionately high number of gay people minutes. It's very similar numbers to the theater or other professions. There are disproportionately high number of gay people leading double lives. I'm reading a book at the moment. martell cold The closet in the vatican they estimate he estimates very after doing years of research that there are something like fifty percent of all catholic priests gay not gay men. I've often had my own personal theory about this. And i'm not going to be completely wrong but is it because i will people especially in sorry especially in the catholic church because the catholic church doesn't allow same-sex oh six between the two people at the same gender and also because i didn't let the priests partaking in sexual activities will have relationships sexual relationships. Do you think for those people. It made sense to go into the church and become a price. Because we're going to have to be abstinent anyway. Yes and in if you're coming from a conservative culture particularly in multicultural communities in australia if you'll coming from community minded Conservative environment the priesthood is the easiest way that you can be gay. And you can receive the validation of society and that's why from many many decades if not centuries priesthood has attracted Gay men particularly in the catholic tradition. Now that doesn't stop them from having gay sex not just the fact that they priests doesn't i mean it's it's extraordinary eyesore and undercover an italian journalist who went undercover to a gay bar in rome that catered to vatican priests undercover and and there was a bishop that hide two escorts toop sex workers from north of the country and they came into the gay bar and the priest court all of this. The reporter rather caught all of this on tape and numbers. Vatican priests to a guy even high something like eighty percents. I'm so there is a self hating gay mafia In the highest levels of the catholic church the closet there is incredibly destructive because shores night follows day. The people who are making the most anti gay statements are gay themselves because they covering up. What they're doing you know behind closed doors. I mean the spanish inquisition that happened. Centuries guy but the organization still that That ran that inquisition and still exists today. Except they've re out. There called the congregation for the doctrine of the faith. The people who work there live in an apartment in the vatican and a few years ago. The italian police raided that apartment are s. Yeah having kim. Sex parties and dealing drugs had laugh. Okay came six orgies in the vatican and that same that same organization. Run by those people is currently bringing up the Bishop of parramatta a die season is currently bring up. That bishop for saying that catholics in good conscience could vote. Yes quality the same organization that is doing this is persecuting people for even saying that you can fight yes and support your friends and neighbors in the same sex marriage plebiscite I know you said you didn't like to sort of chip in on other people who spiritual journeys that were pretty political podcast and not prime minister Sco is it's. It's like slow bro pokemon. But it's scotland morrison. yeah Sco mo is a pentecostal christian. Do you see his faith as a positive attribute when it comes to being in the position that he is and the power that he sort of in this country. Would you say that as a complicated issue. Well i mean in our congregation. We have liberal voting people. We have labor voting people. We have green voting people Even have one person who's one nation support. Well we try and have a broad tant bring old people under you know when whenever scott morrison says how good is this or how good is blah. And it's like oh my gosh. She sounds exactly like my hill sung lately. That is like the biggest. This big thing about positively In in the pentecostal church. It's your life should be good all the time. One hundred percent of the time. And if it's not good it's because you're not faithful enough if it's not good it's because you're not expected to enough That you're going to have a good life Financially successful life All areas of your life as well so when whenever he says how does it. I cringe and think. Oh my gosh she we go again. Because i think you know. God is with us in our greatest times of suffering as well as our greatest moments of joy and to pretend that suffering does not exist by saying how good is xyz. All the time is just a little obnoxious to me. But putting that aside He hasn't talked much about his faith in not in the terms that You see people talking about fundamentalist christianity in the united states. Yes he's not at that level however on the issues that affect people in my congregation He has not been a friend He has not been ally. I didn't think he understands a wants to understand the experience of lgbt people He promised that gay kids in private schools would no longer be able to be expelled. That hasn't happened yet. And the law. The proposal to change that despite him promising. It'll be done in a week. Two weeks sitting in the too hot basket in some obscure legal committee in canberra. He has said some horrifically transphobic. Things he has accused people Who are helping some of the most vulnerable trans children in all schools of being gender whispers. Look i wish that his faith would motivate him to be more understanding to asylum seekers and refugees nuts and to be more compassionate. i wish that his faith Would enable him to if not to agree at least to be willing to have a listening ear to people in the lgbtq community to be honest. I think he's very much similar to the general mainstream pentecostal view of which he is. Jesus coming back very soon and we'll know that's thing don't look busy. This world is going to hell in a hand basket said. Let's just all wait. Until god blows everything up wearing heaven. Hence why his reluctance to do anything on climate change to. It's just not in his dna the stream of christianity that he is a pot of sees same sex marriage as a sign of the decay of the moral decay of signs. Difficult to come to come so yeah. It's sort of hard to look at those facts when you lay them out like that. We think that it's okay for some in a position of power over so many people in such an influential position to let their religion influence them to such extremes. we're talking about human rights issues Yet sort of hot decide that it is okay for him to let to let that influence. I guess i think that In all honesty on the issue of lgbt. She's he hates talking about it. You wish it would go away. I don't think he wants to be overtly hostile at least not publicly. You didn't have the option of ignoring it when you start. You shouldn't have you. Shouldn't but like most pentecostals. I think most mainstream pentecostals. There's some that Yes same sex marriages the devil. And it's a symbol. That jesus is coming back soon to destroy this immoral world and Then you have a lot of other pentecostals which they would rather just go away and they never have to deal with it and we are here we exist. We don't want to just be tolerated. We wanna be a celebrated ingrained pot of sizing. That's not invisible. And so i wish he would understand that more. I wish he And end pentecostals in general would not see this as a dichotomy as an us and them but as a how can we work together to have a more inclusive society payless with fifty dollars off selected prepaid phones at telstra get a new fine from just eighty nine dollars offer ends generating twenty twenty one subject to availability one per customer unlocking. Fema apply for us with telstra. Sim so ride third strays this. Time to get the christmas shopping done. It's only december. Oh plenty of time with a close free express delivery. You'll get you give delivered fast sign up to ebay and enjoy unlimited free express delivery on millions of items on ebay. Click the banner below to sign up today express delivering metro areas finally excludes deputy. Tasmania noten territory. Forty nine dollars. Annual fee applies supply. He did you mentioned that. He's not to sort of as extreme when he's talking of as some american politicians might be From some extreme churches. And you're right. He's not quitting. Bobby texts and teachings and that sort of thing any speeches the pot of me often one does is that because he's from a marketing background. Is that him. Actually being quite intelligent saying i know that doesn't zeev well in his speech. But i still going to be pushing for things like the religious discrimination bill and i am going to be putting my opinions ford on safe schools and on marriage equality and those sorts of things So he's still essentially in his mind doing all the things that the pentecostal churches teaching without preaching about the fact that he's doing it and so we're being a little bit more subtle about it. I think that he recognizes that the audience out there for the type of american style moral majority christian fundamentalists in in politics. The audience for that in australia is very small very very small and that in general in australia we don't inject face especially fundamentalist faith like that into a political discussion. Thankfully however i think this is. There's a tendency in conservative christianity today in australia to rushing to the mata complex. It's we've lost the big issues of the day. We've lost our perspective on issues like same sex marriage. They're gonna come after us now with the victims where the victims. It's sad it's really sad that instead of the conservative church saying look we're not going to change our view but how can we be more understanding. How can we repent of the ways in which we've tried to practice conversion therapy or the ways in which we've alienated the ogp community instead of that is no where the victims way being oppressed for being christian and And so i think the policy direction that you're seeing from parts of the morrison government there are also other parts of the marcin government as well. I mean they're in the liberal party today. There are more gay liberal than any other party. Federally you know. And they certainly Listening to To what What be advocates are saying I just wish however that we would see within the government people talking more about the dangers of this religious discrimination. And how this isn't going to solve the concerns of conservative christians. This is only going to create difficult to i mean. I mean this is giving doctors the ability to you. Know not just for gay people but for women to be refused. Contraceptives by doc. This i mean. Are you going to have doctors who set one hundred and fifty years ago in some christian be christian and to support interracial marriage year one hundred and fifty years ago. The issue of racial equality was as controversial else. Differing opinions as there was on the issue of lgbt issues in the church today you know what that says is that You know the church needs to be listening to wear. Society is that And instead of rushing into a modern complex and can you imagine if today if someone said out of religious conviction similar to the religious convictions that were around one hundred and fifty years ago. I'm going to refuse someone who has an interracial marriage or i'm going to refuse to give medical services to someone because of their rights. We would never consider doing that. But for some reason the christian conservatives australian christian lobby field that it's god given right to rush into the mata complex and making lives difficult. That's all of this bill is doing. It's a bill to make. Lgbtq people's lives more difficult. I find it very inspirational. Hold onto your especially having gone through some pretty extreme stuff with hilson and that sort of stuff personally. I grew up in the catholic church so we went catholic schools and sunday schools. And that's the thing ends calf and catholic church every morning and for me personally having grown up gay through that even there. My experiences would probably extreme is yours whilst i believe in. Everyone's right to practice. Whatever faith i believe in personally have a huge problem with religion as an institution a any institutionalized sort of churches an organized religion. People have spirituality. I can understand that. It'd be more. But i yeah i do see it hard to sometimes understand how people have connection to that. So i'm really keen to hear what it is that that what made you not lose facing in that sort of system of church. I think you're exactly right to be skeptical of the institution for some reason when people get together and form an institution First of all who wants to be institutionalized but When two people get together and form an institution the evil that is within those two people gets magnified when they form an institution. There's something about us. When we create a system when imperfect human beings create a system. The the weight of that system can oftentimes crush people and so Mcc started in a guys living room after a attempt on his own life run Troy perry was the founder of out nation in sixty eight and we were doing same sex weddings before the stone will rise well and it was just twelve people and i think if lgbt people faith can sort of get to that place of where it's forget about the institutions. You know this is just a group of people who are engaging in this virtuality who are reclaiming their identity and sir. Yeah it was. It was really difficult Figuring out exactly what faith was for me. It was like as a teenager. It was like i was stuck in this concrete caging and for me the most powerful thing which set me free from that concrete cage was seeing for the first time. Another person like me another. Lgbt i- person. Just like me who had gone through exactly the same experience I was walking. I remember. I emailed a a person who wrote a book. His name's anthony brown and he wrote a book called A life of learning he said former pentecostal hill. Preacher who came out of the closet and And so he started an organization that was a support network for gay christians and i was eighteen years old and i woke up one day and it was actually my nineteenth birthday and i had a dream of what it was like to be fully out and fully gay and i had a dream where it was like. i was embracing one of my straight friends who had secretly fallen in love with. I was waking up and i was like sort of like hugging fakes. That of kissing this president. Oh there's nothing here. And so. I woke up and thought i can't do this anymore. Even if this risks hill the hill that i am living through right now. Copy much worse So i contacted this organization I i went through two thousand ten. Which was really awesome. Youth charity that helps young people in sydney And so they set me up with this group. And i'll never forget. I was walking in the aids council of new south wales building And at that time it was a squat. Nine hundred eighty s style concrete building and the whole place. Just sort of reeked of the smell of sex in cleaning agents and all these safe sex posters everywhere so if you want to put a condom on and it was these big berry looking dudes and i was like oh my gosh. I just came from the hills. I'm on this. I'm on oxford street. And anyway it was very very Very big sort of introduction to the zoo is different well But i went into that building. The i saw thirty or forty people. All who had been through similar janis to me. And that set me free it's like the concrete cage. A little bit of sunlight came through and just a little bit and it broke that whole que joven and it said you know what yes. I being faithful or not being faithful. That's my choice and being an faith and spirituality to me is a part of who i am It's in my dna. And i can't shake it. And i am going to go on this journey to reclaim that and help others. Who are on a similar journey And that's really where where a new life opened up all of a sudden. I had friends who gay christians as well. Who are my age. We were experiencing the gay world and sydney at that time And it was it was a whole new world. I had real genuine friends for the first time in my life. And i thought this is what a life of being faithful and being gazed like this is amazing. It was an challenges of course lots of challenges but at the same time it was I felt fully end authentically. Who i was. That's how i held on was just through the power of wasn't through institutions at all. I think it speaks a lot for the strength of your faith that you are able to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think a lot of lgbt. I do do when they go through that coming up process and i get that tidily get. That trauma is real. A lot of people in my congregation are very heavily traumatized. And you know when you grow up with a belief system that says that Particularly if you're from a catholic orthodox background the church self holy go against the church is to go against god and that's a really difficult thing and i get that people need distance from that and some people say you know what if that's what that is no thank you I get that and I i understand that. I've always been interested in faith and spirituality. And i don't like to use the word religion but i just i find it fascinating. Why do people believe what they believe. I like even watching horror movies because like oh that's supernatural. Harvey is expressing this theology of. Oh yes oh. They've made that decision. About what hell is. Demons are in and all the paranormal activity one-two-three a lot of horror movies make decisions about what they think the afterlife and i find that really fascinating you know. We haven't seen jacobs i. I've heard of The song jacob's ladder and i understand the biblical reference side. I'm very fascinated. You're young person in a very liberal church. Yeah a very young pasta. I would say valencia compared to most the ones. I've met a very liberal church. Does your church like do you asked people not to watch things or read things or do you sense or anything like that. No definitely not I mean how would that be space. And you get morality We are very moral and ethical people you know. We encourage people to make their own choices around sex around what they do with this time love island. It's rubbish. Yeah there are some things in this world that are immoral like injustice to one gb. Gti people like injustice towards the poor and refugees. That's deeply immoral. When we're saying that christian and people up on christmas island or other hill halls the analogy that i use i will never tell people what to do. In terms of the sex lives as long as it's within the sort of the mcc guidelines. It's not just you know. Do whatever you like in terms of as safe respectful respecting your self respecting god and respecting the other person. If i wanted to get up there every sunday and everyone don't have sex before you're married. Don't have sex outside of a committed relationship. That's the most ineffective way to achieve that goal history. The long sad history of the church trying to control people's sex lives is that the church has been an abject failure in telling people what to do about sex heterosexual christians who are conservative evangelical. Who believed that sex should only before marriage eighty. Five percent of those people will have had sex before they. Yeah that's an that's indem number. Whatever we're doing now in terms of telling people what to do judging people in terms of their sex life. It's just not working. We're a sex positive church. I will never judge anyone just like in the garden of eden. You tell them eve to eat the fruit and the fruit and the different every time. I don't mind if you tell me what to do. Because i've got a few questions and i don't think i'm doing pro-police direction. Some direction spoke before about leaving the church and entering the gay community and finding your friends and people did that also involve dating for you l. Yeah absolutely absolutely at first. I found the gay scene in sydney festival. Seen what is what is the same. Everyone says that the non seen on their dating files. Is there anyone out there who says oh yeah. I'm totally away seen as well. Yeah you'll seen. I'm not saying oh you've been at every night of meet some festival. I saw tammie brown talk about ten minutes senior. They're seeing. I guess his relative everyone thinks they doing just a little bit less than what scene is. And it's it's often. I think other people i don't i made seeing people you know. That's too seen johnson queen. Whatever that is all of us are in a scene of some kind well all through our very existence. We are all a part of where the in-app participation or absence from this so-called seen. We're all a part of that We all one community. And i hate these words which which divide us like that so when i was entering into that world and the gay scene meeting other gay people. It was a i. It was really shocking. Put that in context. I'm from Really sheltered sheltered sheltered pod sydney. That's the bible belt of sydney and Me when i got my one of my first jobs at mac is what ching people smoke was shocking for messed up. Stuffer mcdon- yes yes. Yes i was working the overnight shifts. That's working and shock. Oh my gosh. All these people are truck. What's spy thinking. And because my family was titled t title You know the idea of drinking alcohol for relaxation sinful wrong when i First started dating. Started going to gay clubs. I wore a suit jackets or polo shirt And and my number one goal was to to to still wait before i was in term relationship to sex so that was my goal. How did that well. I don't wanna go into debt You just awesome man in a caller congratulations. Suffice it to say. I'm in a relationship now. You're not going to say it's god right with a beautiful man is like you know what jesus is so much more reliable than all these dudes but and then i met my partner. Jose who's a really wonderful human being who say obstetrician gynecologist and he's the average age and Yeah he's a beauty is the for. I probably first time in my life in ten years. Actually that i've had a long term relationship so as we've been together for about eight months. I really wanted to find love really soon as 'cause i wanted all of that. I'm really interested in to say your the first thirty year old pasta. I've met straight or gay. At what point when you identing. Do you tell people and did where people did. People sort of dan when out about it i did. Did you find that. There was sort of a rejection from the gay community. When you're dating guys they sort of found it a bit alienating to dating pasta not often now look sometimes would run into people not on dating profiles but just in terms of the general community who had negative experiences with the church and who naturally were not happy with the church and especially not being happy with gay people in the church. Sometimes i would say i am a christian. Yes because i've only been pasta two years before that was just garden variety. Gay chris and so In many ways it was almost easier to be on a dating profile van. You know being a pasta consumes all of your life and it's it's a very visible thing that you are and has some immediate ideological theological connotations. That can be a lot a lot of people. I found that. When i did put it on my profiles before i was a pasta people would come to me and say oh my gosh. I feel like i'm trapped. Can you help me and oftentimes therapeutic relationship. Ed and so i stopped putting it on my profile because i didn't want to confuse although i did help these people you know i say look. I can't date you but let me help you I one church in america in mississippi. The church has a grinder profile. It's the building it's church so it's a trans woman who sings in the choir. Who represents representing. That's probably where they congregation comes from. We'll help reach out to people on how people have conversation pacific. That's a clever way of doing It's risky but yes. I love the work that's Joshua generation mc and he's big mississippi. so i tended not to especially after. I became pasta because they would say oh. I'd love to go to your church. i'd love to reconnect. And then as well. I can't you anymore. And that conflict of interest in it could create problems for me so i tended to look at the type of profiles. I had I would do it. So i would filter out the type of person who would be opposed to someone who has spiritual beliefs like for example. I would say you know what these people online. They'll have these profiles of what they don't want like. I don't want any thin. I don't want any or this that or the other. And i don't wanna empathetic. I don't want an insane person. So i said you know what. Why would i to be in a relationship with that kind of person anyway. So what if. I go play reverse psychology here and say i am the most seen queen person on earth. I am so part of the scene that my consciousness has merged with the scene. Once borg hive mind. And i'm looking for completely non shield out completely anxious people who will stretch the limits of human endurance in tortuous dates. Fem fat as yes. Yes so i would just full the opposite of the type of people who would be so. I'd never check those people in the funds. Can i another dumb question. I've watched fleabag. You've watched back when you were on. The apps and people found out that you are pasta. Did you have any like salacious. Sort of fetish. Ising of the religious aspects. You know people Pasta chasing alleged cases. Yes oh oh my taser. Seriously when we can. We hashtag clergy in america african american churches. They called the pastas wife. The first lady lady even has parking spot. Oh and heroin role in the said the has as jose. Do you wanna be my first lady. And he says. I only if i can get my unpacking you jose quite religious to. Yes we We met on tinder And he comes from a catholic background And you know he's on his own. In terms of faith and spirituality you know in spain from spain there are a lot of corruption in the catholic church is endemic would he identify religiously the same way that i do know but You know he I love we weren't holiday. And jose said to me I have had partnered. jose Was married to a woman and has and And he has been in a relationship with men as well he said you're the first person who i've had a partner with who i'm really proud of what they do. And so that for me was just a strong religious beliefs. He he's really impressed by the work. You too and he's you know he loves what i do And very devoted to You know when you're working in the ldp ti space you're dealing with a lot of traumatize people um and hurt people sometimes hurt people and so it can be very very stressful sometimes And so he's been on a rock of support. Alex thank you so much coming has been absolutely different aspects. lgbt. I laugh that we haven't really covered on the podcast before. Really really appreciate it Things you do also do wedding. Celebrant of psalm wanted to get in touch about maybe booking you as a wedding celebrant or even just to find out more about the church how can they get in touch. Yes sure so. I did a wedding in melbourne just last week actually a beautiful wedding of someone who went through twenty years of ex gay therapy now is left all that behind and And getting married to his partner so they can just go to. Mcc brisbane church dot org If they want to get in touch with us for either weddings or if they just looking if you're lgbt i and looking for an accepting as spiritual community also organiz the weddings. Would you be able to find me. Someone married to. I mean not even because well. Hey a god bless you in the jenny. Thank you for coming in. It's been a pleasure. Those are really fascinating. Chat with alex so onto had him in the studio uber. Interesting stuff that we don't talk about a lot on the puck custom so You know if anyone needs a person of faith and algebra. Ti retest them. Get in touch As as alex saying they do have congregations around strategy that you can go and chill out and maybe just give it a little try if you want to. But very nearly pat we. We just had to jamil We will just tell you that we do have an after show. After this kinky we had talked about boozy six easy sack cybersex. We're going to be talking about russian talking about alcohol and sex about sex bay pleaser or a few of my favorite things to julia injuries. Untie sued but until then pain.

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Hate crime justice & is LGBTI+ equality going backwards?

The Gays Are Revolting

48:27 min | 1 year ago

Hate crime justice & is LGBTI+ equality going backwards?

"This is a lip mania podcast. We acknowledge the traditional line of the land on which recording. We pay our respects to the eldest possum present and the original out of other communities. Who may be listening today? Welcome to the GAZER revolt intersection of social and cultural issues. Relevant to gay men we put the G in LGBTQ. I plus and we'd healthy being the best G. You can be follow us on Instagram. Or twitter or join our community on facebook by searching the gates revolting and support the shirt and access opt shows and live strings which superfund at Patriotair Dot com slash. Gays were voting off. Looking back boy was still old separate. I can't separate but we and we had a few weeks off but at least way back together in an old may not in the same studio. You like forty messages already. Message S. Yeah I've sent you like forty messages to be on my TV show and you've not replied to any of the question. How many people were in your house? But I fucking fun police over here always like you can get fucked. Count The people you know who lives in this house. I do not break any laws and also I'm one of those people that believe. She just ignore problems. They'll go away. So it says sane. I can see you asked me how to get out of A. I'd just asking. I thought author what it's going to be big and and you're going to regret it but I thought we were better friends in that car. So that'll give you that impression moving on. Let's let's talk about something pleasant and joining us this week. is Nicholas Stewart. Queen lawyer hit a talk to us about finally getting some justice a horrific crime that actually happened in the eighties and a content warning that there is some triggering content in this interview In thought so just a heads up to our listeners that there are some touchy topics and now we have been off for about two weeks which hasn't stopped people from Sending in the hot pressing questions for us Wanting out advice on things So this one is to Tom. A Resident Amel fairy So publicist suppose to be available behind chemists counters as of February this year So we know what's going on with that Seoul we'll have any of. You tried to buy puppies in the last couple of months. I've never tried to buy puppies ever. Yeah I I bought some probably like a month and a half ago just from a second shop in the Fitzroy area back. Yeah well. It's interesting a lot of people might remember Sort of towards for lot of last year there was a big conversation. Where the therapeutic goods? What are they called the therapeutic goods administration administration Where I'm looking at banning what we would call Amil nationwide at a federal level which obviously caused outrage amongst out because we do use mo quite regularly so they a lot of people Stevenson Spencer being one of them and doing an amazing job a lot of other people as well banded together to campaign against this and got a lot of people rushing us in that sort of thing Which meant that? It was reviewed which is great and they came up with some other resolutions. Some of which I think a great some of which I personally don't think have been fantastic but a lot of other people in the community have sort of said they do think it's a good thing but effectively from the first of Feb this year. You CANNOT SAL. Papua's from sick shop. Now yet we call pop is of course is actually a lot of different nights. This amel not try which we often refer to all nitrates. Is Emily Right? But it's actually not the one that you must commonly by There's a lot of different ingredients that can have similar effects in there. In fact the one that you mice likely by if you're buying Papas and Mohan is cold. US beautiful. Not Trace that when you're GONNA need a prescription for now to buy so you can get from a ending can be to have sex with can be to say sex play therapeutic so you can get the problem is i. Don't believe that there's anyone that's actually producing it at a pharmaceutical grade yet for it to be sold. Lean chemists this also amel not try it which now we can buy over the counter theoretically again at a chemist. I'm single. I need a prescription for that but again is no as far as I'm aware though that I can find out that selling it at a pharmaceutical gray are industrial for it to be soudness Talia. The T. G. I would have to do a whole lot of tests. And that's Levin I know company is focusing on that. It's cost a lot of money to get something passed by the way you can buy it overseas with a script as long as you've got the person that sending it to you is attaching the scripts to the package having up to buy customs. Yeah this ain't the same way that people were buying print before you could get it in the straight I mean and also a lot of people were buying. Angove in states where you couldn't buy. Oh via the instant and three mile and getting it successfully anyway priorities these roles and look. I like you said. Mark managed by some already over the since the band's coming a Muslim places by selling it a lately beforehand and so a lot of places GonNa continue selling it illegally. They might be careful about how I half expect you to be selling them out of your backyard. That's worth more than its weight and fucking true anything of course one of the sides. Is You know where people getting arrested and stuff very rarely but it did happen for having a Amel notch on them in some places and of course now that it is legal. That means that you you will be able to carry it but one of one of the other good things. I guess it's come out of it is that there's evidence that is appropriate night and end Purple Nitrite. And this is why. It's it's a good point. I call because we didn't know the difference between all these different on regulated. You didn't what you buying in those two are the ones that can lead to serious damage near is. I'm being banned completely. Which is of course. Good news I dropped people yes admit it is a good. Obviously a lot of bottles planning ran that existed before the band. So if you if you are using AMMO ANNUA getting like floating brought spot so blurry vision. I'm you should definitely stop taking that bottle and throw it out straightaway Because it's not regular it hasn't been regulated into now exactly what's on us for. You still might not get the right one. The getting so yes. It's it's a bit of a sheet. That's GonNa make it harder for people to gain by. I guess good news That we are going to have a regulated industry and get and saying a bit more local obviously because of coronavirus a of businesses closed unfortunately one of our sex on premises sites. Clinton as she not one hundred percent show. What's going on with it? But the building that it is in was salt at the end of last year and it looks like the developers that have bought put out a plan. They want to turn into like an office space. What a change. Imagine being like these walls while they could talk so like club. Eighty haven't specifically said anything about what's going on. They obviously put out a things. They've canceled a bunch of events. It's really strange. They haven't put out a statement saying if they're relocating or if they're permanently twitter someone filmed them like they were garden inside of the building. So unique call who we had on the show. His a club eighty regular posted a video on tweet. All of a lot of the the the feelings being ripped out of the building so I think it's pretty safe. I pin codes several months ago. They were pretty clear about what's going to happen to the place but we were told it wouldn't be for quite a while in the big send off in that sort of stuff yeah But yes sadly for look I I. I asked a few people that work in the industry and that was saying From what they know it looks like the they were planning on waiting awhile until they until they clo- but with carbon and everything. It's just it's worked out better for the people running the business and for the people that are in the building to do that. It is a bit of a shame. They're not to have had an announcement from the guys that run the place. They are human beings and they probably pretty pretty sad that they having to close the place but would be absolutely the pundits to know. What's going on? Yeah so everyone give someone else a bit of a wet one. I guess it just means that went on Wellington's going to be even busy of weight with social distancing. Oh yeah when when really announcement be that sex clubs like what's that part of jeans reopen because we all know what the fuck is going on in the virgin active mobile city. Men's toilets like it's probably more sanitary Jim. Yes I would be surprised. You'LL EPA slipped on some seamen at the gym would require going to a gym sewed at it Jim Mats Yoga Mats. Because everyone's doing homework outs. I had a role of bubble wrap to those descended painting to my Dad Daddy in Adelaide and so I just cut it to the SHAVER. My my sit ups on bubble pop since but what pets. Really Exciting News For Victorian gender-diverse and Trent Siblings Sosa legislation has finally come through as of the first of May twenty twenty in Victoria which removes barrier that allows you to update or change the sex marker on your birth certificate without the need for gender reassignment over genda confirming surgery yet so this is actually a huge enough of a lot of people who are looking to express the Jeddah. You know it it means when they go see a doctor. For example that birth certificate is net can now be correct without the need for costly invasive surgery as well so it's a big win the legislation. They started pushing it in two thousand nineteen who knows what time nowadays but officially became law. May I saw there? Are some really good things happening out in the woods on good news yeah? It's it's fantastic news. I don't know if you guys saw Sally Szeliga who we had on the show a few weeks ago. Wonderful Trans posted her new birth certificate with Khagendra corrected on it and think that the thing that the half the joy that that brought for her. I don't see why anyone was against it. I don't see why they had to be hot. It's such a simple thing that that doesn't really affect anyone else except the person whose names on that certificate and yes the happiness that it's it can easily bring people. I'm so glad that it's finally. You know being corrected. I love the like I was looking at all the different Sort of Marcus that you could put under. I loved it. They've included Cisco and brother boy for Aaron families so good and the same with FIFA Fina which is always on word for their Sir gender. It's so crazy to me that anyone would be scared or angry about the changes really what what's going to happen. Yeah Yeah it's about people that just scared of change and we all have a little bit of that s I think of a fear of change but it's it shouldn't be that hard to sort of step back and look at if something's important to someone that perhaps it wasn't right in the place and perhaps changes a good thing Yeah and I guess it's all about educating the white community about why things like this are important. I thought you said White. The white three to snapped. And just when you thought people can get any more creative with Dick. Pics after doing lots of research. And I mean those drafts are out in full force partaking in the shampoo challenge. A guys haven't heard of that. It is this thing taking over like twitter. I think it started from a very kind of thing from pig editor. And then so. It involves a person with a penis in their underwear like generally erect penis in the underwear bouncing like a shampoo bottle on their. I'm sending mind through right now. I just got yours. He went supposed to use the one of those little hotel shampoos. So it's become like a real feat of strength now like people packing toiletry shelves. It kohls like it's like a lot of products shelving out but Yeah type it into twitter and few of my friends door and it's really freaked me out because then people that are you know when a friend posted a straw. It's like seeing your brother or your sister or something. Yeah people where? I'm like. You know you should actually used that shampoo shampooing you had the I didn't realize I champion. You'll have but it is. It is very hard I have to say it. Has You know sometimes when you just like going about you business and something POPs up in life and knock you like a sheet now. I have to have a wink. Yes it's read too many many weeks grandma or twitter and I'm going no our sheet. Now what's great loop and that's a false. That's correct but it's fine for one thing that I was like. It was a few women who had done it. They put a strap on on underwear over the top. But then people will having a go at And it was just like who gives a shit. Whatever entered the few Trans Women came forward? We haven't had That bottom surgery if they want to but they came forward and they did the challenge and suck on that like how brilliant people will find any excuse to be transphobic so fucking stood. I like the shampoo challenge because the the the thing that sexy about it is at least a little bit. Says the hotter the annoying. Yeah Yeah Yeah everything. It's just like well. This is my mystery. We have rarely need to use our imaginations nowadays twit of fate and it's like raw duggan up. Yeah you know. It's also just practical. I mean my Greg Hinson. Most like she doesn't have a handbag. Everything goes down at Bra. And now we know that you know. Perhaps that's what you could keep your wallet and you as well. That's a great idea. I mean I remember working. Hospitality and carrying three plates was a real feet. 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It's going to be one hundred people on soon company so in a case for the LGBT PAS community an Australian man was arrested and charged last week with the motor of gay men. Scott Johnson whose naked body was found at the base of a cliff in Sydney's north in nineteen eighty eight hate crimes against Gay People. Were fixture of that. Time and widespread homophobia ran rampant throughout a police force that label these justices suicides of mode as they actually were to discuss the breakthrough arrests after three decades. Tonight we are joined by Nicholas Jewett upon dowse in Turku Lawyers Affirm in south Wales working closely with the Queer community. Nick has been successful in campaigning. For inquiry into agency responses to LGBT. I hate crimes and is a pro lawyer Allen Rosendo another nineteen eighty-nine gay bashing victim. Nick thanks for helping. I listen to understand a little bit more about what's happening here. I'm not festively. Who was Johnson Scotland's a American University student after you need And John Jay was not owning amongst these coins at the university as a secret. Bribes man been studying mathematics and he has a featuring out of him as one of the primary method. He should is coming out of the year. Universities rials wow he. He was just Broader stave let people know love went on to be quite successful drain. Academic mind is in mathematics Sufferer so last year. And you South Wales. Parliamentary inquiry into gay hate crimes found acceptance into violence against gay men in the seventies eighties and nineties. Gangs patrolled the streets cruising areas in plain sight. Because they knew police wouldn't come after them. They also knew that the gay community were afraid of. The Police. Said wouldn't report the crimes. Scott Johnson's death was initially ruled. A suicide but did New South Wales police actually investigate these supposed suicide cases at all in some cases by two in March tensions ran guy manage So Work Down. The base of couse more often than not they deaths were ruled as suicides and Scott unfortunately was one of them in facts even up until last a fads price was still saying that Scott Jack was a suicide I think in case a when he was murdered and according Ariz found that he was Choice to his death the evidence that was the At the medicine where he's gone since bank owner the nakedly he was found in United United. There were questions that any reasonable pence Why would someone jumped up? Cliff night to yes. Yeah why would they Neatly and he's sniffing around saying they were united questions to be answered what we also now realize that gunman cheek during that time Were Ada all Quiet conspicuous free but in any event where vulnerable winnowing notch. Act NEON win nine. Naci Masculine All Saints. Be Strong We will often just vulnerable victims because nature because we all certainty and I think United States gains these individuals in young people target us because such easy but also a at another level was a date sated kind of hatred full. Watch the guys representative of what the chance me. Representatives mainly during that time we are becoming more visible way. Were finding out aggression. was really enlivened in Throughout i-it's and then rallied for nineteen on until we had of course the ice classes and the green rape had campaign reach with costs to television. Sets across the strategy are engine every household days images of keeping by bowling bowl on these mobile. Kind of any citation of that game in you it. It just much for NAS as a community at while it was unnecessary campaign in relation to the government had to take action still fear in the community about this awful virus but at the same time association with Blake. It suggests that gay men were averse. We carry the virus that we would likely to spread a heterosexual community should fear us and a huge part of this story has been the tireless. Work of Scott's the Steve who refuse to accept the his brother had jumped off a cliff so when local police showed little interest. In reopening Scott's case Steve Hide his own investigator wouldn't arrests have been possible without Steve Determination. Do you think the kind of earnings are acting states patent spread. It's not quite the roller your team because to stave. I mean how beautiful to have a stripe. Ravi just wants to fight for your legacy in gentrified united. Who had you? I'm fine justice would a beautiful man? He threw a lot of money. Atta He. Lobbied the government very hard of EMEC commissioners of Sydney price offices and he was accused of intervening using his money and influence to impress investigations. Surrey to some extent I think a lot of just stays. Prussia Ange his enthusiasm for justice. The fact that he wouldn't give up I think he's alive. Auditors and I think that all sides intrigue aid at Records Verge Karanja linguists you know. He had the fist rendering risk. Mcknight finding it all as to how Scott died the second printer. Brexit said that he suicide in Kreiner inquests identified that he wants intact Easter and it was because of staves fresh Bash and as a result of them final coroner Rest finished race force in the commercial flights. You know readings the diligence narrow and took some very senior detectives on the tax. And give us tonight protectees because have from and while that lesson should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's extremely positive. Someone has been fischl totally As you're saying detectives arrested a forty nine year old man in Lane cove in Sydney last week. He's currently in custody now and his next court appearance is scheduled for July. What can we expect the outcome to be there? It's funny? I grew rocket nine curve scary proposition that yeah I have chills down my spine. Either he's really close to Honky. Yeah Senator beautiful United Look when he fascinating Court Union for VAL criminal lawyer by trade and that's not what Ej you don't just rush into a application that's already you Ducks in a row in radio arguments bio but it'd be interesting because when he is next seen or he applied tobacco and if he darts way will get to know a lot about the case because during a barrel location the strength from the prosecution cases often include to the core by Keita in a defense of application decide the core book connor these personality battle. Because this is what we have on human young. He's community and on his side thinks he's he if he rush advocation in our rates. I look this. Is this the witness in the case? Why I'm not the person you deny. Immoral spending he if he makes about opportunity. We're find out a lot about this case numb and the the fact is that we don't know much. Oh and The community even should be celebrating the fact that place of identified someone. We need to respect teas. Legal routes in the presumption of innocence gets Fair and transparent way and these offered a one million dollar reward for information leading to the conviction and Scott's murderer and his brother actually doubled the amount. How influential do you think the reward was? And how do we know if like anyone has been watered that money yet? If it will ever be that reward was record and if he can add of course Steve Doubled. He said You know. Anti Dash and the place has confirmed batch on that person you best and he has given mention may be eligible to claim pot every Thousand Line because there's been so much about Scott's you're not really has reached Mainstream media which is being right. Because it's being on people's minds you know Nevada of the agents Campaign permits requiring these record cornering class. We had stave the knees during his story in talking passionately that his about and then we had a place for answers Only recognizing that there will be insignificant injustices all that came together and we have. These arrests said that money played a big reward but also had the background marriage. Equality Um Yeah New South Wales police. Commissioner Mick Foley said last week victims will let down by police and also even apologize for mistakes of the past He said the New South Wales Police Force will never give up and that anybody out there who's committed such offenses should be looking over their shoulder. It's now estimated. I think up to eighty men were murdered by homophobic gangs in and around Sydney in the late eighties. Has this arrest. Raised hopes of solving other violent homophobic tax from that same era has attic. It's going to. That's GONNA welcome the Commission statement. It's really nice to have a commissioner signed remakes Apologize vanished Welcoming the that I think in a united air around. Yeah that's right. There's a lot of the decide stories. I'm committee almost all stories and I'm talking some really horrific guests and there are matters walking among us and some of these people have gone families in created lives and unfortunately damn Ice Pool Goal and and since the arrest people who've code to hold the government's approach to hate crimes saying that without reform motors are going to start falling through the cracks. All will fall through the cracks. What sort of reformed we need to see in this space? Look I think there's has I designated High Crime Cenex and I would expect. Twenty place would have a similar unit. I guess it goes without saying that. These species notes just Sydney's viral. Young Melbourne in Victoria Evans have their absolute lights on Sunday. At the moment exactly sight re bear. Lots of questions standing Victoria Get Cancer questionably. They hate crimes. Units made resources men women members of the L. Debate a community in representative off off the people there. That's one thing we need. We also need to say members Canadian. The senior ranks replaceable. I'm a of representative of the of the community is distracting community but high crimes units Questions and bad to sport the language the body language the United often say to people if crummy suspected people who would get identify whether it was often the people who knew the accused If someone is charging offense their friends and Family Republican Roy Peasants Bakes raving. What scratchy with a raid. I watch which would all feel feeling alternates questions. You have about Victim to me as a member of minority so Should always hey respect to the psychology. I'm to science to research about what factors tie into high crimes and what to look for winning investigating ahead crime and there are some more who's asking the Model it's just a matter for since Really interesting. What sort of motivates you? Nick to work in this sort of area yes. It's interesting I wasn't around. During the time of Penn cons. I wasn't opinion astronaut. Certain it wasn't inadequate but window is full chain. I was working at a case. They still I've actually and Yeah and It was a Saturday Sunday. Not and I destroyed by these We had a relief magic coming from king's hostile and anyone he notes Divide throughout Out and I'm members of the for community on the streets He he turned up and he was wearing the female uniform. Rankings Demayo manage what Blue Anti female berries. He but he will inch for end. That got everyone talking in the store. And he was the nicest guy he was assigned operate. Remember as a fourteen yard taking off. g say maybe nice was your brief run he sexuality but then one of my call aging store discouraged to make it was Uh School disgraced. Made his brother earnings friends with regard to balmoral manly and The northern beaches gay men were going there to comments bay alarm where he's words ways that they would supplies from yet. It was absolutely crazy as a fourteen year old. I wasn't even I wasn't out. I wasn't even identifying this guy. I was suffering. May but that scared the hell out of me and I think now a kind of member of the Sydney Gay Community Amazing Education family that supported me. I can use oil for Gordon. For Justice and lamb and I think that's tied up to unite and have given so many entities like this ivories and often I try off with because telling the stories California inside date and old days. People may legacy yesterday has to be mild in net recognized. I'm definitely just fundraising justice. That's that's that's incredible. Make thank you so much for being with us. I'm sure our listeners will find this sewing lightning and sorry interesting Can People reach out to your firm if they're needing legal hope in a friendly? Lgbt plus environment. Of course. Yeah give us a call. Us innocent now and We're alive on social media anytime great. Thank you so much to now. We've got a bit of a open ended meaty topic not immediate. Tuck but immediate topic to talk about tonight because one of the scariest things about living through a pandemic is just realize how crazy is it? Were even talking about living through param. Remember when we did this show and it was like how bottoming who likes repression like pointing out. How do what's your favorite lip sync and now we're here being so it's terrifying being in a pandemic but anyway balancing Champi bottles and you yes. I'm going it's it's the light and the but what. I want something that really freaks me out and something that became really apparent to me through this pandemic was it really separates a lot of the community and separates people into the haves and the have nots and it becomes really parent when you're a have not if you don't have a job if you even doing this show at realize you know between the four of us we've got different waves. Some of US are working. Some of US don't some of us are alone. Some of US have partnered some of US have family. The things we have and the things we don't have become even more parent and it's been said plenty and plenty of times. The minorities either even further repressed struggle through a pandemic. It came to my attention that it was I L- upset. I don't know if I say it properly. Idaho do you say Idaho bet? It sounds like it used to auto denounce Idaho Idaho. So International Day Against Homophobia Bi Phobia and transphobia. Was this month And they made a post which highlighted some pretty hard truths to swallow especially during this time. We were all kind of looking in woods a bit and I think and rightly so by the way. I'm not gunning anyone with this topic. It's a discussion and I would love to hear how other people feel but if anything some of our rights. Lgbtq a plus rats have actually gone backwards in this pandemic and regressed and that there are still so many countries that criminalize homosexuality and if those countries are getting worse and Haden's and be lesbian gay transgender and is different reasons for it as well. I mean there are places where it's being done actively An and this has been used purposely like to do it behind a curtain. A I guess while everyone else is focused on this thing over here on this hand. I'm there are places where where governments doing some pretty awful things to a lot of minorities especially Jbc I people strangers. Yeah and keep in mind. That Scott Morrison tried to push through the Religious Discrimination Disciplinary files. And I genuinely believed that had it had they had people not picked up on. The factory was trying to push through during the bush fires. Yeah we probably would have seen trying to be pushed through during this pandemic If you've if enough reading the or even a Malcolm Kimble's book title but there's some pretty scary stuff in there about what Malcolm Campbell says al. Prime Minister thinks about current Prime Minister Scott. Morrison thinks about us. Yes it yeah it is. It is being done on purpose by bad people. But then there's also the other side of it where where a lot of our wonderful activists and a lot of our wonderful organizations actually have so much worry about with this pandemic that they don't have the time and they need to be putting themselves. I mean on things specifically of people I know in Melbourne. Even that were so heavily involved in things like marriage. Equality even heavily involving things like the birth certificate For that we were talking about earlier. Who are now having no no income whatsoever because they baas have been closed An and having to go in and moving with their parents because their parents to be going to the shops in that by themselves and things like that so our wonderful activists with the community are also tired and having to look at number one a little bit and this probably also I think Cassara. I've just taken either from. I think there's also a bit of a perception that will be kyw for a little while like we think if we don't if we don't worry about this for a little while we'll be fine but as we said earlier when you saw the reaction of people like Sally when they were able to What seems like probably a small and trivial thing for a lot of me. Getting your Gender change on birth certificate when you say the Amazing reaction that has the people we realize that they small little things that we feel like we can just put off are actually really important and we and we do need to keep focusing on them and we can't just keep saying. Oh will focus on them after this so I. I know. I don't know how we do that. I don't know how we balance obviously looking off during pandemic whilst also being worried about our community being socially conscious. Yeah while protecting yourself. And nothing's knuckling. There's there's this weird sort of dumb idea that that disease doesn't like the depend affects us all equally Which is a different type of equality and it's not sure because the LGBT community is more at risk to be affected by this pandemic by the things that trump's token We a huge part of our community works in the arts or performance Right off the bat financially. Our community has been heavily affected by the pandemic and then there's people who were already on the fringe marginalized so the Trans Community. Who would you know in some countries targeted by enforcement law enforcement and this makes it even easier for them to be targeted absolutely through Some horror stories at that because they use the the guys of you know Were patrolling the the social distancing laws? But it's very talked. It's todd even like certain countries whether doing we'll men can leave. On certain days in women can leave days to do shopping to do whatever that leaves out our entire trans community whatsoever and it makes them like easier targets for those abusive sort of. How is that are in play to attack those able which is horrendous but this is even happening I use it where to quality before talking about the pandemic? It's starting to feel like a step forward step back to step forward one step back. Do you still have this hope and dream for true equality at one day enough each like. Is that something that you realistically believe in as an individual to a true tale where we live specifically we obviously in a very privileged position? We're quoting podcast. I privileged. We're lucky that we get to stay at home. And we get like settling payments and shit like that but like real true equality on every single level. I just don't think that we're GONNA see in our lifetime. I definitely think that we sort of getting closer and closer to it being in a Western society. Telling you get a bit like twenty for me. Personally when I start saying sort of the racial vilification pop back up so things like the video at the Victoria markets. Some teenagers what beating the shit out of an Asian woman you know and you fuck. I thought we moved away on this. We already done. Did this. Go like out we positive. But WE'VE BOUGHT A. I think the idea is and that's what a lot of a lot of people that were fighting for marriage. Equality went fighting for themselves. It was for future generations to grow up knowing that they were equal at least in that respect to to their classmates. Whatever so I feel like I have to imagine that there is going to be a utopian future where there is true equality. I hope that at least domestically we might get that legally but the thing is even if we do get it domestically in a legal sense Is still not going to be true equality because the people who already live in the paper that have already lived through traumatic experiences They're going to carry that trouble with them forever. And then they're already at a disadvantage that's not going to put them on an equal playing field. Not just by changing laws and that sort of thing it does definitely help and it's a great thing to to work towards but people that are still carrying around a in the same way that we we've we're very privileged to be born that when we were born in fifty earlier. I hope that people born fifty years after us is going to be a lot more privileged. I for them. What privilege I using? The word legal is very important too. I think the word I think. Equality is such a lack values based like fear real kind of thing and in my opinion I think at some point maybe not my lifetime. But maybe Kyle's children's left a sense of legal. Were QUALITY MAY BE ACHIEVABLE? But this kind of like where all the same human mentality condom. Holistic view of spiritual quality at. Don't I'm not sure whoever reach those coast but I I honestly don't think you can really change people. I think you can change the laws and and I think you can change the very important step in changing public opinion. I think once you've changed low. I put it this way if you don't change the laws in people's opinions aren't going to change because they're going to say well hang on. It says that you're not is where the is made to do. As a human being so it's validates my feelings eating at least take the legal sod out of thin. That's one listing for their feelings to sort of be based on. I guess yeah I feel like it's like about diluting people like in the future like because the people with these views like going to die out and like it's the so many young people now who are so work and current with the times and everything like that so I feel like if these people are making children and instilling these values and beliefs into that. Show it's GONNA eventually weed out the hate and horrible but Sami. Some footage of of of the people like the liquids was talking about it Victoria Markets. And you'd discover that there are actually sadly a lot of young people that have taken the beliefs of their parents. That are pretty hateful. The way I said we live in a in a world where a third of Poland has declared itself to be an LGBT FREE ZONE DOTS sign. Yeah I could see a future where that sort of rhetoric would be illegal. I could see lowest coming in place that would regulate that as hate speech for example and I can say that as something that would help lift out legal equality with those people living there for feel equal to their colleagues. I Dunno places like Turkey like Iran gas and she'd like tear gas into pride marches and like even like like official people in the government blaming. Lgbtq people for the whole coronavirus pandemic likely the Bill Gates did a than homosexual. And even that's not very fucking likely. I'm sorry going back to the blame. Game sort of thing like like a career have done really really well in suppressing the virus. They've done a really good job but they had like another sort of sort of resurgence of a in a place called Yvonne. It's like where the gay hub is in that country and then this Christian newspaper group came forward and just that. What's the guys the guys didn't? They edited that one spreading it always revolting is an illegal in Korea whatsoever about year. There is no discrimination. Like protection laws whatsoever by concord married nothing like that so like these newspapers have been given free right and just go for it and just be like all these gay people them and even like the gay people have contracted the virus. They've been named and shamed in their local newspapers. Which is just like what you cod to Mr. People at don't understand. It's very reminiscent of of Fred. Nile June the AIDS epidemic. In that sort of thing and we've seen that in west and coach before this is not a new thing non sadly it is something it will be far right extremists that will say she like that While I can and to try and spread fear. And that's pretty awful. But do you feel equal? Na Na no I think I'm too old to have feel I think what from I don't? I would not feel comfortable going to a football match. I don't feel comfortable. Catching jarreds I that's why leave in the city of Melbourne. Because that's feel safe Mobile and that's why I guess. A Lotta accumulate lives in bubbles is because we don't feel equal would get a lot of the community with him. My bubble I feel pretty equal. Yeah Turtles In. My peers isn't colleagues At the same time head to teach myself how to feel that way. You know sometimes you to. What is it coke? Fake it till you make it. Oh Yeah do you know people say that and sometimes I feel like I have to believe in myself that I have equal rights to everyone out there. I'm allowed to be where I am. I'm allowed to be out as I am so that I can have my voice and so I can be visible at least inside of myself feel like Kua equal to everyone else. So that's a complicated way great. So that's all we have Thai Or whenever you listen to this damp. Gus Time. This is a night time. Show tonight for after show. We're going to be discussing. Tom Of Finland works Stay with US Tumbler. Finland is just time doing an accent for twenty minutes to pay F- from them up feel like this isn't the Tom of Finland. We and thanks so much for being patient with this while we've had a couple of weeks off I know you've probably been gagging content. Listen to you while you're at time but we honestly just we needed it We you know as before Enron look after them selves. But we are thrilled to be back recording again and can't wait to be with you in your ears next Saturday but until then can would do the mute button. Does this book have breakout? Rooms can chat to kyle separately.

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Mask 4 Mask with Dr. George & queer legal services with lawyer Sam Elkin

The Gays Are Revolting

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Mask 4 Mask with Dr. George & queer legal services with lawyer Sam Elkin

"This is Lithuania podcast. We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we are recording. We pay respect to eldest past and present, and the aboriginal elders of other communities. Who may be listening today. Welcome to the gaze of revolting dissection of social and cultural issues relevant to gay men. Will you put the G in lgbt Qa plus Mahita help you as the best you can be. Follow us on Instagram or twitter join that community on facebook by searching the gazer revolting and support the show and access after livestream that hate you on dot. com forward slash gays rolling pug. Hello, boys only. Four of your. Name episode. White. I honestly wanted to stir up. Some Burma knows it till midnight. You haven't been on the same episode for like five weeks now. Uterus to divas and you're going to be. Nasty break up and be like you look where well. I'm taking my key. You can have kyle all right. Now to talk to us about legal issues, relating to our community, semo can from the Victorian, LGBT IQ legal service will be joining us later this episode. Yeah, and we've also got Dr. Georgiana. Johnson your questions in providing a covid nineteen. your questions. Will actually the onset in optus show so sign up to pay John Dot com for that. Question, And Logics We looked at the tragic passing of actress. Neier Rivera from Colle- so again sign up to outpatient on at Petra Comfort Slash League as revolting check that one out but we also wanted to play a little snippet of Al Filler that media hunting season so one of the host DM ask. Speak somewhat naive. I meant to her as a queer woman. It was removing and I think she expressed the sadness that she had such a really beautiful way so we thought as as she's a woman. We wanted to highlight thoughts on queer representation through glee, I'm so. We can play a little clip from that. Nominee celebrity deaths affects me. They always sad of course, but I don't know them so there's a natural level of separation. I cried for him because he was far far too young I cried for Carrie Fisher because she played a role that allowed me to see myself in a character during my formative years, and I cried for Nyra, because she was of dice, things too young and playing a role that allowed me to see myself during my formative years as a young queer person. Ni- reveres character. Santana is linked to my Janney ACQUAI- woman as a character developed so my first relationship and I love. I fell into my own identity and exploited alongside her character Santana. There was more to her Santana. That is that identified with then just being a lesbian character. She had something few other queer characters had during the coming out stage. It was a confused Anga. It was something I had within myself to. I was angry that I was different. There was a world of shame swelling inside of me, and it made me feel very vulnerable. And instead of embracing the vulnerability, and learning to love myself what I built where impenetrable walls that if ever breached would unleash a vitriolic attack on whoever was nearby. This added to the shine. It was compounding. It's confusing to outwardly and actually tell yourself that there is nothing wrong with being gay, and yet you can feel within yourself a deprivation of self love. You can see those around you who care, but it impossible to reach out and pull them into you really are. Santana had this and it was important for me to say. Now this role Santana wasn't an easy one to pull off, but now Rivera was sorry talented. It really was undeniable for anyone that watched glee her ability. Make the character Santana a terrifying far, but also won the carried within her the heart of what glee initially set out to be a shower that celebrates difference. Naira revere a played Gay, but she did more than that. Firstly she advocated for Santana. She was proud of the character and demanded more for her. She wanted her character arc to be something value to young people and have a depth that few CACTUS anglais had. Secondly, she also embraced the quick community was hungry for more representation. Head the Haagen. One of my favorite pop culture rytas spoke about how almost a decade garden now many actors who gay for pay were reluctant to speak to queer media, not wanting to be painted with that brush, not wanting to be pigeonholed, but now I revere was different. She was happy to engage with the community, the conversations within the fandom around her characters, coming out and to be seen as an ally. I cried a lot when I veers. Death was confirmed. I was sad because she was sorry. Sorry, important to me, but I felt really silly fulfilling that way. I didn't know her, but she meant so much to me. She was a figure that could attach myself to before I had found my earned queer family. She was my community. On reflection I know I hadn't needed that for a long time. But the importance of her Nyah was sorry. But, the importance of united was during those years never went away. I wanted her to know how important she most to me. Because she was she really really was? Dana. Who has been speaking so beautifully about the effect now? I had on the creek community. We're you shorto? Fans of knives tweet out by saying. Don't think for a moment that she didn't know what she meant to you, she. Did. And the proof of that is in how Nyah interacted and embraced the LGBT plus community. And the pride with which she spike about Santana who we all loved so much. Ultimately I find it hard to successfully articulate what she meant to me. Naira was someone that allowed me to save through the cracks of Myron fears which were blinding at the time. And to begin to give myself my own shortcomings. I learned to be brave in love by watching. Santana, be fearful. I am so sorry for her emily. The lawsuits unimaginable. She only lived for thirty three years, but I do hope that they can find some comfort in saying what a different team to so many people. She will certainly be missed. And that's what I want to say. Thanks so much domestic from the hunting seasons, Gaza, letting US play that a hunting season to sexist season of TV every episode and obviously with Damascus the home. It does so through quite quayle end, so please check that out. I just wanted to quickly talk about a little Sunday before we get into a interviews. so I took a break from the show for a couple of weeks and I. Didn't you know I didn't even know if I wanted to really talk about it on here, but I realize through the show it's it's a way to kind of give a bit more white to something. You know an an and provide a kind of experience back to the community so a few weeks ago, my mother passed away. Suddenly and. I was. Literally watching a horror movie drinking beer in pizza and. Within twenty four hours from getting a phone call, my mother was. No longer with us. But it meant I had to. Fly Back to Adelaide where my family is and isolate with my seventy eight year-old father for two weeks and The thing I kinda wanted to share through the show. Is that I realized you know there's this really cheesy saying everyone is like Oh. Everyone grieves in a very in their own way. You know people say that. What I think was yeah. I. I'm graving in a way that's very different from my sister. My fathe- my half brothers who row heterosexual people and so many of our listeners, and and people that a message us about the show were in similar situations to me. They have A. Really Strict Catholic, Asian parents, they also like most of us. Move into state. You know and start to create their own lives. And create their own chosen family as well and I think that something really unique to the guy in the queer experience. And I found it may grieving a different experience to my heterosexual family, because I had this whole well that built-up top, and and that I love and an you boys to. And suddenly I was back in this world that I'd kind of escaped from or left. Yeah it was just head Fox I was living with my father, and had no friends or family in Adelaide's and half. My family don't no amount. That! Don't listen to the show in the same time. You boys will love. You sent me a six pack of my favorite beer allowance. And I was showing my dad, and saying like Hey, these are the guys that I do the show with you know. This is the site they care about you as well and sending love, and and the kind of response was like. Can you just kinda maybe stay in the closet for these two weeks? You know what I mean like it at. So I just WANNA I wish I. Fucking Hike Vars, because I just want to be able to give you a big hug and Bane, the same room museum, and coming into your house and bring you whatever you need, and that's often. It's kept us apart this time, and and the other thing. Is this fucking viruses? It's such an awful time to lose a loved because on top of the regular stress that people have you had to work out how to get three board is a non that so the sheet that you wouldn't know the canes I just WanNa. Say like obviously all of us, but just how hot would just broken for you -solutely, it's horrific. Thinkers superstrong personally. Yeah, thank you. I. Love You answer and. Honestly one of my wishes was I'm not very lucky. I'm not a very earnest person so I. Think I would normally say this. I used to actually feel quite a little bit of a Pang of jealousy. 'cause I'd heard in the episodes where everyone's mum's been on the short. They get to be part of this world that we've created and. Like I would have loved to to. You know my in my mind. I was like one day. My mother and I will sort of have the relationship. She could potentially get to be a part of this beautiful thing with these super funny people who? The that just brought his day sort of thing. And It breaks out. The I didn't get to share what a wonderful person mother was with you guys and that she didn't get to experience. What a wonderful life! And and what a wonderful community we have here in in Melbourne. Because the support that are saved Douala's. Backing not allied was really incredible and I think if we share more stories like this it helps redefined them for Queer people. Shawl so also I sorta shut out to anyone who's had to deal with Greif. I've I've never really experienced in this way before and I didn't realize just how hot is to navigate when when you're your sexuality and you'll whole identity is also like sort of in. With. Yeah yeah, it's a really you're you know if people sort of don't make that connection and you're right it. It seems like a really obvious now the pointed out, but it isn't when we think of often and as people you know some people have. Some resolve issues with their family, and that's being, but there are still underlying, scouse, their offense to show, and I think you know you. Obviously you will close with your mom, but you know you also talked about the issues in you sort of hinted at that today, and I think the really heartbreaking thing is that as we grow up in our and we mainly these relationships lupus and never gets an apology. Yea I something that was like really kind of pain for an I. Don't win. This become like a with therapy session I've promise listen I. Go back to being idiot in like five minutes. But like a because, my mother is in this very religious, highly Catholic sort of Filipino culture. She obviously wouldn't made up with friends and like y'all my my son is like this huge faggot on this podcast. He's learning how to take Dick so well, you know. I was just in the closet to a lot of my mother's friends, and and even at the funeral service, which was the only thing I was allowed to leave the house for because of carbonate. a few of her friends came up to me and said you know. Your your mother was was really upset that you'd never gave her more grandchildren and they had no idea how helpful they actually being yeah. Those Kinda unique experiences that I think only gay people have to go through where they have to really shutdown every aspect of who they are. The Great Grieving Group. I also just want to say. My mom was a wonderful loving person who raised may my sister added nothing, and what she's told me about rice, and and and privilege of being here in Australia his release. Foam to who I am as a person, so. In some ways yeah also just wanted. To say you know I love you, mom, and and and I. Wish you got to be a part of this show. And I appreciate. All you've done and and the community here you know loves you for that as well. I think is is. Very well so. So today we're joined by another triple. We love triple threats on their shirt, joined by rider, podcast and community lawyers Sam Elkin now. What's really exciting is Sam Setup Victoria's first LGBT IQ legal service and is one of the hosts of trends democ very snappy tidal That's a full podcast series on how the Trans Gender. Diverse community are experiencing the covid nineteen pandemic, and that's vailable. Anyway you listen to podcasts and coming soon to lip network so SAM. Fuzzy thank you so much for coming on a silly little show. Thanks for having so SAM. It's amazing that we even have illegal service for community in Victoria. How did it come to life? Yeah, it all started actually one of my colleagues, Lloyd and Goth, who so loyd worked CINCO, legal service. We've May and Goth. pokka worked at Ford Haba. Health Ni- came up with this idea of creating an LGBT. Our legal service to target the legal needs of KGB Charkhi community, because lot of paperwork already accessing phone Harba health, and telling the counselors or whatever that I had legal issues aside I would getting. Drug and alcohol support for example in those of coal. What am I GONNA do? Where am I get a go? So it was a Beautiful Brian of Loyd myth in Golf Park Hill to come up with this idea of collaborating to create in LGBT I. Keep this. That's so amazing because those things are so sometimes intertwined health services and mental layaway. You know it just makes sense this month you released. Released a report detailing some of the legal needs experienced by the Victorian lgbtq population, and it's something we've talked about. A lot is the different types of discrimination that we face being a minority group. Fussy in in regards to employment to we actually much in the way of things like unfed dismissals or You know what place you know, these kind of work workplace legal issues particularly for Trans Agenda. Diverse people. Yeah, we definitely do. That's a big part of the legal works at least doing over the last two years. Sorry, who kind of odd you? People can experience those kind of issues we've had gay men Men have sixth man being discriminated against in the workplace particularly. In regional areas or in particular kind of small communities, where is still high levels of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation to clean migrant communities of this is been some cases. We've done the to support our guy in same sex attracted men, and yet the transient drivers community. Still certainly experience high levels of discrimination in the workplace. We suffer from Pre Employment Discrimination. So not getting a job at all that sort of pay it must be able to get past the gatekeepers in the first place. Can, be. She and pre employment discrimination is a pretty Hodson to prove and lace manages. Sorry Dom that I actually got. An email saying all we just don't think this person eats the right cultural fit because they XYZ, which has happened before we've run own successful cases. Tonight, but usually things are more stocks than that and they catch kids like yet cultural feet, and just not the right look for our organization and things like that and. It can be really hard to successfully matters like that areas. We've been more successful in his. Successful, but it's always which seventies had bad situations. lawyers for say go sleep, but I'm. You know Mata's way say for example somebody's terminated from the employment after asking to have access to gender neutral bathroom or one king, particular name on the tag like united, and they gendered workplace, asking the US by impertinence, all of these kinda situations unfortunately have led to paper bags sat in the workplace, and and that's when we come in to try and help. People fought for the rights to if not go back to the work at least be compensated for the wrong, heavy big done to them. Thank God that we've also talked about housing discrimination on the cost with lgbt plus people is their data suggests that quick people may be discriminated against when it comes to things like housing and rental applications. Look or I think it has is a big issue, our community and certainly with the impact of cars at nineteen at the moment. It's only gotten more difficult. We've definitely had plenty of people that are needed. Support Vacate. which is the tribunal the gory if you bring a deep? Yeah it's not the place that most people want to be. If you are going into gives the ring yet, we've. We've differently same people. Feis renter is matters. Noise Nuisance Mata's would just be like handed out of Dave residents altogether through Bain. And victimized by groups of. which is a really big problem that doesn't have a very simple legal solution to it at the moment because we don't have any vilification, laws and extent. Q. story at the moment. So that's something that we've been working on indirect later trying and help paper with the housing, Cassia, we've had paypal. Oda Papal people in regional areas transit that our paper, all talking about that situation of just like often being in an apartment building, and just being hounded by a whole group of knives until they have to leave, and then you bright delayed the end up feathering. It's not. It's not great if you're so insidious to. especially with that lack of legal like clear-cut legal protection, same with things like cultural fits that phrasing just like. Mice. Delivers. As minority exactly what Maine's when someone quotes cultural fit as a difference, but luckily you also work in the little reform space. Justin made this year we saw I i. believe it was in Victoria that transient gender. Diverse people can more easily change their gender identity on their birth certificates, and you actually present for one of those debates in parliament As a trans person, how does it feel to have your own identity and the the body that you have become a topic of discussion or a topic of political debate must be hard to to kind of switch gears between your your lawyer, brain and your self you know. Yeah it was really surreal, and in many ways kind of. Feel very ambivalent about these moments because you. Had the numbers, and we were really confident that it was going to get past, but we had through listening to members of parliament, arguing against the amendment and Sighing really hurtful thing. Yet like they've flow that I've got the right to do it. At swore at democracy says can happen. You Know Bank corralled into this little pot of parliament. And watch it, it's not easy to go through those things in particular when you want to celebrate a win, and you'd want to represent your community and have a happy news story on the today, but you've just had a die of listening to. Horrific. Painful angrily. that it is kind of hard to put a happy face on at the end of the day in celebrate and guess you've just gotTa take the long view with the stuff and realized that. A change is hard and the people have been fighting for these twenty years. Yeah! It wasn't amazing win, and now that we're now that I'm sitting in parliament. Yeah I couldn't imagine it's it's. It's similar to the feeling around. The marriage equality postal vote it when your own. And who you are as a person, is suddenly a topic for other people to discuss basically whether they like it or not. It's the lack of would just yucky thing to sit. Sir, absolutely, and there is literally no trans. People's faking impala life having. Literally! Speaking. Sister paper having a debate about and feels it feels very unfair. And also work on legal issues surrounding how the law intersects with someone's HIV status. What kind of issues like do you have to tackle with that? This is something that lent hates about on this job. I didn't know a lot about before. differently immigration law and HIV has been a huge issue. Sorry really. People might not normally, but so international students will people on other kinds of temp raises if they hide treve positive I become HIV. Positive didn't as whole health waiver process that you have to wait. You basically have to demonstrate that you'll not going to be a financial burden on the healthcare system in Australia which is. Jay Please stigmatizing and awful, and I just had no idea that that happened and unfortunately it still the case it here in Victoria. Intentional she didn't might become high chose as positive while studying here, and that can main the you know they get the visa renewed. Sifi wanted to another year study. They'll look at the vase status, and that will lead to a rejection. Sorry, it's an incredibly upsetting seeing that we really do need some lower foam around It comes up in family violence mattis as well so Pei Pu disclosing paypal's HIV status without the consent I would argue is a form of family violence in. In some cases comes up in that space as well. Yeah, I mean around disclosure and the Public Health Act this is all very much a topic of debate at the moment around nineteen, and how you actually try and get people to do things that are more safe, but then the problem of using criminalization I'm sorry I. Imagine that it's quite a treatment for HIV positive people that have bain through the decriminalization of HIV status for Fulham's and just hearing all come back up again. Hangs, so it's an interesting and difficult pick. Nathan Lot more work. It's almost sobering to hear because. To an extent, we live in north side Mobin bubbles and were very self meeting. You know it's. It's very easy to have a pretty picture. The world but delving into the world of what actual laws are in place to protect our rights as people and citizens, and you realize Oh God. You did actually mention quite briefly that which is family, violence and I feel like that's a topic that is gaining more space within our community were sort of learning how to discuss this bit more openly with each other. Can people seek help from your service of if they living with some form of family, violence or abuse is a service that you provide. Yes, we represent applicants. Sorry you know alleged victims of family ballots and Responded so people that have been accused of gauging family violent, so we help both sides not at the same time. Hoti at one matter or the other yet family volunteer. Humidity is a huge issue in the same way that it's a big issue in a standard the heterosexual community, it's to be problem and people need help at certain times, and they need respectful and inclusive services, and unfortunately they don't always get that so typical experience that came up time and time again was a same sex attracted women going to the police and. And wanting to report family violence, and not necessarily being taken as seriously as it might of banks, it was a a heterosexual relationship because of implicit bias within the police, nor necessarily taking are the emotional forms of violence that seriously or not taking physical harm on perpetrated by women as seriously and then if I kind of just come out and say that. Be On Times I. Do but a lot of the times. It's just they just make a decision to proceed. Something goes to the bottom of the pile. That aren't call you back and then things don't get a risk. Assessment doesn't get done, and then you're Madigan gets a job when you gotta call, and it's just kind of insidious form of discrimination that. Is podcast system and think paypal just one annoy that they're going to be treated equally, and that's not necessarily the case at the moment, so you. You've got to really be live to issues like meese identification of perpetrators of family violence so this issue for cheekily. Trends, same people are people that might Assan my lettuce that are the identify as Trans Women or on the. Gender fluid spectrum die can often be identified as the perpetrator of family violence when they are in fact, victims of family violence. Jucci yet again like stereotyping by the police that can be real problem with paper of cold, the police asking for help, and then they the one that get charged with an assault and. Get A. Intervention slapped on them, so it's something that yeah, we have to really be alive to, and you know once these prices star. It's very very hard to get things withdrawn on, and you have to be really confident and passionate advocate, and they spices to not just kind of let it happen yes. It can be tiring at times and we'd carpet again. The court has adjourned many matters often to like auditorium November Mba. Leaving with that uncertainty, like Hoffy yeah. It's pretty full on. What's going on Martin Spicer Yeah. We are hit help what about like drugs and alcohol to help people that are arrested for those offenses and stuff like that. Yes. This is a big part of the work that we do. We saw unhealth, so we let literally see in health justice partnership with them at over at thrown Haba. Health and we often work collaboratively with the day tames, or people might present to the. Counselor and sale we've got some of got some charges on. What can I do about it? And then they get referred to May, so we can help people in coal if I wanNA played. Discuss matters with the plays try to get China has dropped toy That's the kind of work that we do all the time, but it sorry much more helpful. If somebody facing drugs charges, they do want to play Gucci to. If. They are engaged with an alcohol and drug service, because it makes oil much easier for us. When we're doing play, we can cite. Yes, this happened. This person is narrow gauged in meaningful. Appropriate, support so it's good of doing it and I think of that roughly fifty percent of the people that seek to use your service identifies having a mental health, illness or disability, and I think sixteen point. Five percent were actually harmless is low friendly to quit people that have these issues. You know I do think that the legal institutions Victoria like by try and be neutral riot out by unfortunately, the laws and institutions are written by a certain kind of person. You know usually somebody who? Has a harm, if not many harnes. Opinions generally Mayo why able-bodied so it's! It's not surprising that the law doesn't adequately represented or deal with people that on the margins of society in so many ways, so they are so many wise. The paper experiencing complex mental health issues are are they discriminated? Against will not dealt with particularly well in the system I mean you know the rights of people that are incarcerated that have authorised significant into a health condition or an acquired brain injury staggering? So you know unfortunately we deal with people that have exhibiting problematic behaviors as a result of underline conditions is unfortunately still to lock them up and a lot of cases. I don't believe that making a society any Scifo or any Kinda or necessarily helping pay in the long term so I think we've got a lot of way to go to try and be more responsive to community vice, par Granison, actually trying to get people help as opposed to just having that really coceres operates shoes, just slapping somebody in prison, and yet with people that are at. At Risk of homelessness a huge issue if people for example get arrested, and we're trying to obey lap location for somebody the first question the magistrate is ask is where we bailing them to likely where you got, and if if the person's harmless unless you can find them a program to get the meeting, she, which is really really difficult. You know if I've lost connection with family. Because they to be status. That's GONNA. Make it hot us. Unfortunately in those situations. If you have an address to send somebody to like, you got no help of getting somebody out of custody, so if you're homeless or at risk of homelessness, you why Milwaukee to end up in court or having an interaction with the legal system so all if they think very much becoming part of the system yeah. Yeah you've launched the Roberta Perkins Low projets which is a league with the specifically supporting the transgender and gender diverse communities in Victoria. How did you separate the different needs of the community? And did you find that? It was important to start a specific project for transit gender diverse people, so they got a catered care needs the. It will when I started a mind jaw back in May choose hasn't. Got The job vein the LGBTQ outreach lift for the whole of Victoria. Record you. New Pressure and guess what I learned pretty early on which I guess I suspected already that you know we different communities riot like people leaving different areas know I'm sure like in your universe is different sub branches of like Geico is living southside northside. Oh God. You. Think about that inner like lace beans, women tend to congregate may be different areas of Melbourne in Toria have different legal issues paper intersex variations have very different grenades to the transgender community is well sorry. We are an umbrella and we united by against Y on the basis of sexual orientation, nor takes characteristics experience gender, but you know that's all very big and different stuff, and it manifests very different wise so again in the next five to ten years like I love to say you know swimming of different legal projects that target specific cons of communities, because it's not a one-size-fits-all like having a health justice issue on how the health veins so good 'cause I provide support to different parts of the. Key community but having said that a load of paper guarded transgender Victoria to get pizza Paul Day so it was just kind of natural inclination to provide that support way. People already going because. They the paper, I, you don't want to create an unnecessary barrier to paper, saving support 'cause. It's not necessarily something that people want to do. Like it's not like organizing an ought to had ceased. To Let. You know when you've got twenty five deals that are like you to go bankrupt. This is the kind of thing that sounds like a party. Bottom drawer, or whatever do you with it? We were trying to get people to feel confident to deal with their own legal issues, and so we just kind of need to be where people are friendly and approachable so. Transient Victoria's. Organization I. Know Well Because on TV volunteer, so you know I am begging Trenton. person it was just a kind of natural automated to want to partner with transgender Victoria and provide support to Mayan community. As we feis in odd different and it's not to say more important. We need these yeah, yeah. It's Kinda. That funny, funny thing when you talk to a heterosexual person if you had to for some reason. You know and they go. Oh, you'll gay so. Deal with and they ask you something that has nothing to do with your lived experience or your community. Whatsoever it it's would not A. one-size-fits-all I was GonNa say Oh my God. I could listen to you day. You should have a podcast, but you totally do. You like. Much well being here tonight with us in speaking. It's been really good, have you? How can people access the service? Probably the easiest way to just jump onto our website, which is ill G.. Legal got old. And we've got like contact full on there in say the kind of things we can do. You can rate lower form submissions if you want to nerd out on, would you expect? This also. Thank you again for coming in. That was a really nice. important conversation really yeah, really appreciate your call. Thanks for having me on, I. DO LISTEN TO A podcast. I'm really joyous. Talk to Georgia. It's so great to have you back. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having a now. We've got quite a few obviously cove questions that we're going to get through in the main episode, and then we've got a hold of listening questions that we're going to do as well which will do in the after Let's up saying Oh. We spoke to you at the start of the COVID nineteen crisis when it was kicking off and you said you were going to contract the virus. You'll quite certain I'm we've seen an influx of frontline healthcare professionals being positively diagnosed lately, so the suspense is killing us. has ruining come knocking at your door. You know what it's really weird that I haven't been infected. That's that doesn't mean I haven't been affected your. One of my colleagues at work did become infected, and that led to you know we all had to go home and the workplace had to have a date. Clain I had to learn how to use critter at nine. Oh. Thankfully you know I was only working behind for like two or three days, and then I was able to get back to work, so I was very grateful. Scifo so good touch my well, not touch my face moss now. Who speaking of shot earlier in the year? We were talking when the telehealth. Guidelines and just being kicked off. How wonderful that is! How has gone? It's been interesting because like telling health is a very different kandebow Guy I screen with telehealth, and if it's really obvious, somebody needs to be saying I objection I do. A physical examination, then, as long as they healthy and fit I will bring them into my office at do the physical review but I am surprised at how much can be done by telehealth. Now the rules have recently changed four out non Melvin listeners. Unless you have an existing relationship with the doctor in the previous twelve months. You might be able to get an MBA s ray bite on telehealth. During Times in Millwood. We can continue with the telehealth with new patients and existing patients, but. It was a little bit tricky I was caught a hyping that I could provide really good service Australia wide, and for the patients who jumped in when it was available, that's right I now have an existing relationship, but for others the by being out of pocket fade, but we're still working on the logistics of all of that well, that's really good to hear now. Let's chat a little bit about Moss because obviously in Victoria this week it's become mandatory for anyone leaving the House to be wearing one in a lot of the Cairns Victoria, very upset Do you think that mandating the bag of Moss was a good move for the sake government to do? Its. I it's not controversial like in America where people. Oh, it's. Two goals. GonNa cuff alive papal like we don't. We're not like that in Australia. Culturally thank sweet Lord. Today was the very first day of mandated mosques. I work in the city. I saw the majority. Old People were wearing moss except one idiot who was wearing plastic anonymous mask. Get go good on you menu really sticking it to the man. Adam dislike. This is something that will help protect the health of yourself in the health of others. Don't be a dish. That's the important thing to remember. Is that there are some people who are not capable of wearing a mosque, and it's not who you think. It's not the person who find me today asking illiterate exemption, because they cost and spluttered a little bit when I walked. It's like well, then walk slow, but we have to think about people who might be able to put a Moscow incisively site if somebody has cerebral palsy. If, they can't put a Moscow and there's a chance that that could be contaminating themselves and increasing the risk of infection. And the other group of people of very small group of people with very severe lung disease, these people who would normally be saying with an oxygen tank following behind them. And if a respiratory function is that precarious, didn't they shouldn't be leaving out the high many? Why would be staying at harm? Because Home Mrs Ciphers Place Debate? On the subject of harm his the really important thing is that the vast majority of infections aunt happening out in public They're happening in the lunchroom at work. Where you let your guard down there happening at harm at family gatherings where you go to Nautilus House said Nana has to have a kiss, and there's all of this interacting and people don't consider visiting Grandma's house. Would they wear masks our? Sawyer we really kind of have to rethink this and doubled down on social distancing double down on handwashing end. Just because you're wearing a mosque, it is not acceptable to not socially distance. You still nate socially distance. Now. Melvin Hotel Quarantine inquiry also kicked off this week and there's been an early finding that almost every case was seeing in Melbourne which is. Four a day some days I'm can be linked back to the hotel quarantine outbreak. How did Victoria as what seems to be one of the most cautious states? Get into this position. Well. There's an inquiry going on at the moment that will hopefully get to the bottom of that. anecdotally I A M friends with friends who worked in the the hotel systems. End We. We all saying that the the people who were employed within the within the hotels appear to have gotten enough training. There was somebody on the news today saying that they were told that they had to bring it. There is a protective equipment like Boston gloves and stuff like that. also culturally there were there were particular cultural groups that that same to be employed that. Groups that were trying to get. There were groups that would congregate to get up. I think from a cultural perspective, the coach of protective and understanding of the risk. I don't think that that was reinforced strong enough. Now before we get old to bunged up in Victoria, let us not against that. There wasn't only fence before Quarantined in Sydney, who was tweeting that he was trying to be picked up by security. Guard in his hotel, room? Absolute say this. Yes, it was one of. It's actually an ex. Melbourne early. Fans Dude who was come back from American was in quarantine in Sydney, and and he was tweeting that one of the security guards was trying to pick him up his posted screen shots from grind. There wasn't yes he was. Always really hot on Hook Hookup, with him afterwards dislike. Between on sorry. But the point of the matter is the cat is now out of the back, so we do have to hand wash, hand, wash, hand, wash, social distance, social distance social distance. If you feel unwell, get a damn test and get the hell harm. Do Not Pass. Go do not collect two hundred dollars. You'd need to get harmed. Can Collect two hundred dollars now. It's three hundred three. Do it online. And if you flip a positive than this woman, H. Com fifteen hundred bought my friend who has had car. It's not worth fifteen hundred dollars so licking doorknobs in the HYPOC getting money. Dan Andrews was signed yesterday in his press that. People at Delight and getting tested. And they're also when they get Now. Being swapped three times, and it's not fun and the media after i. get the Swab on, like aw, fuck! Have I got enough milk in the fridge. Do that's great? And I think that people delaying the testing is for many reasons, but financial is definitely one of them. If you are a GIG economy worker, then you dine, have sick. Leave you. Have you done? Have Holiday leave I'm essentially a I contract up so I have to be really careful and look after myself, so that's why I'm happy to wear wearing my mouse goal a time. Well I'd take it all the time, but yeah, I'm asking as much as I can I've totally Mass Kazeem? I've honestly like since like three four months ago since we went back to work, I've won a mosque every single day because I work with people and I talk to people all the time, and like from the very beginning a lot of people like high very acting on might know, but like I'm literally face to face with people. I am all about the wearing a mosque all the damn time. The only thing I would sigh, with regards to the basket. Is that a lot of the general public now currently, not familiar with mosques, and then used to having it against the ice, and we have to get used to that. We also have to get used to not touching the mosque putting it on site fleet, taking it off safely, not touching it, and it mosques like underpants. Go Up and down up down up down up down. You put it on your own. If you take it off, you take it off but I was in Lincroft the other day, and this woman was behind the counter and every time she had to speak. She pulled their boss data and I might I can. Count. On the topic of appropriate mosque wearing, I was wondering about facial hair. Should we be like if you're going to beat? Is that going to be stopping the masks from working effectively and should we be shaving? I if you going to wear an in ninety, five or P to Moscow and they are, the masted are not recommended for the general public, the medical mosques you must shy to get a proper seal and Zaas shaved so I have a problem sale. If. You have a really big big big sort of. Rock and roll bid and you just a Feis Moss to it, and then not at night. What they do I get like Ospel straps and put on the back of the head on the. Ultimately, what you're doing is it's a cough. It will stop you from passing the virus outwards if you are infected. But for the going in woods, the vast majority of the air is either be filtered through. You'll be. Aw, some of it will go through the mosque, but the vast majority will be just a filtered through the be it. Which makes me think. If you were exposed to covid that made me, but all of covid that sitting inside job site has as part of your daily routine. You have a beard I recommend that you give be a good shampoo everyday. And stop striking, because if this debate, it'll be heads. So look really from a medical perspective I don't think bids are a great thing during this pandemic, and there are people who are very emotionally attached to be the amount of doctors that were sorry, old role, the daughter site by bid and shock. Maybe it's. But. You can also designed mosques. They are out at the mosque. That's probably the best fifteen from a sewing. Perspective is cold in Ulsan Moscow L. Sem mosque. And you can adjust the patent to accommodate a be it, so you just make an Oscar Longo. And then shoved the beat inside their Taco up on I think maybe look up. Also mosque because seeks do keep deadbeats long as well so. If they get an are they gonNA noise. But. Yeah, unfortunately, beads and Moss, and not a good combination and be and carbon. Combination now some medical professionals deciding that Australia's approach to covert on the suppression approach has failed and now some suggesting that we need to pivot to an elimination approach Do you agree with that statement? I kind so let's talk about the difference. Between Suppression at elimination the Suppression was to even out the right of infection to keep it lar. and to keep it evenly spread rot, and the idea is that we don't I've lied the hospitals now at the moment. The actual infection right here in Victoria is actually it's not great. The numbers on fantastic. We want them to be low, but they flat not saying a legitimate lager rhythmic rise which is right. Now the idea of a limit nation is like what happened in New Zealand where everybody looked down really really odd. That they were able to sit out two cycles or maybe even three cycles of the life cycle of the virus. At it was eliminated, but New Zealand is a small population, and it had a very small about a virus. Australia's different now we have thousands of cases. And I am not one hundred percent. Sure it's possible because at the moment, the why that Australia is acting and behaving is like Europe. We now have strong borders between age state. And in some places like Victoria. We have borders between Melbourne and outside of Melbourne. and to be able to effectively eliminate those borders would have to be super, strict and any way like Melvin. They would have to go into a very hot lockdown and I. Think The economics of that is difficult, and the emotion of that is extremely difficult emotionally. I dealt with the first one, the second one on funding a struggle Mutt that it's any different for me other than the fact that all of my friends and family and loved ones since they are posting fighters in restaurants. Odd Yeah. Exactly because of the emotional stuff is why I wonder whether we should be going to be hard, and now then because I think the real reason, the second one's hotter is because we thought when the first one ended would be done another in a second one way thinking well, what's to stop a third when in a fourth one and a fifth one? There is talks of the stage four lockdown, but I wonder with. Perhaps we could maybe stage four, but do more of a three point five kind of a thing where since we are going to be looked for another full weeks, the moment in Melwood and Mitchell shy the that we could be closing all the retail stores and things like that. Obviously, there is a huge economic impact. It's going to have a greater effect maybe in the long term that he's going to be better for mental health economics. I? Sawyer but maybe the mosque. The Mandatory Mosque is a three point five in that. What we're going to be doing is that if there are people who are infected, there's less chance of them propagating the virus if they're out and about which means this lesson, the air it means that there's less being deposited on surfaces We can hype. That's part of it, but again it all comes down to whether you choose to go and visit are on the weekend on notch a with A. You're get be ordering fifty thousand nuggets totally going to be eating theo cells. We really need people to actually follow the rules. That's the thing is like the day for Raisin and To making huge concern of people like going to came up just for something to do. Look I remember when things got a little bit laxer I really enjoyed actually just like. A Yawn store and looked yawn like Oh, it was just really nice to participate in in that sort of activity again I think there are people who will go to go shopping identity that's ideal, and secondly the worst place in the world I think would be somewhere like an apple stole where it's a high touch environments. I wouldn't do like the touch stuff. So Yeah I've kind of avoided department stores, and my hands in my pockets if I'm midnight, soda prices in the Mid, I lay I'm giving my head's a little scored of sanitizer to if I have touched surfaces, but at the end of the day like we are all human I, think as humans. We definitely designed touching intimacy Do you think that it's been hotter for some people to get used to the practice of social distancing than others, and is that sort of thing to be expected when coming into this? I think. Everybody's picked it up or not mixed up there right so you know I remember early in the pace at work that the team at the front disc would That would making jokes about all. SHOULD WE BE BANGING? She'll be just touching fates, or should we be heating elbows off quite serious as said no, we should be doing any of that if you could touch Oba's, or you can touch fate. You're too damn close to each other. And so I was a little bit stocky about that, but I felt like I was concerned that we were taking a little bit less seriously. I think people are going to do a risk evaluation as well they like. Oh well. Grandma hasn't left the house Choubey to give a hug to yeah. They thinking that she might be affected, but what if your infected and you pasta, data? And it's hard. It's really really hot like with children. It's very very difficult to tell a child that you're not going to give it a hug. And we need to find different ways of doing this and I think lots of talking an. Zoom Chat by God? If you'd bought shares in zone man? Who would have nine yes? Oh, it's just finding new ways in creating new cultural norms and I think this is how it's going to be for. At least the next two to three years until I've viable vaccine is sound. If it is found, this is how it's going to be, and we all can have little flare, ups and downs. And that's just the nature of the beast. As long as we have people flying into Australia. BEEN THEY GONNA bring virus in with them. 'cause I know at the start it was. All Chinese people are bad people. That was absolute crap. The people that you should made my scare of with the people who flew from America. Yeah, one of my patients got upgraded on that you the world famous United Flight America. He got upgraded to business loss, and not only did he get warmed nuts in the champagne, but he also got. Ta. All. Now one more question for the episode before we allegedly guy last week. We the World Health Organization acknowledged that there is evidence emerging of airborne spread of covid nineteen. Does that mean instead of dropping to the ground? Particles may hover in the air considered explained in Layman's tens. Yes Sir look when we look at the data. The we've believed that the vast majority of virus is what we not divorces spread from particles that are either coughed or sneezed route. They're the ones that they send a big droplets that a heavy and dropped to the ground usually before tomatoes. However, we also are that if you have close face-to-face contact with the person, fifteen minutes is bold enough to to to be a high risk over being in the same room is also considered a high risk. If you beat in the same room for two hours if we look. Look at the studies from America that where people were infected inquires, or if we look at some of the studies that have come from China, where we look at conditioning with seeing that people went to a restaurant and only people on one side of the room, getting infected, and it's like why assists it was proposed. The air conditioning was pumping all of the air to that side of the room. To become infected you need. It's not just one particle of the virus. You need multiple particles of the virus. Get infected to get an effective darts. And we are seeing evidence now that there are situations where if you get enough people into taught enough spice by the South Meringue Line at eight o'clock. then. That's going to be enough. Virus particles within the of multiple people could become infected in that situation. So, this is why if you're going to be getting onto a train, we were saying whereabouts full the prime. This is why I catch the train anymore because I'm worried that I might be able to socially distance, and even if you wearing a boss. If somebody's cough does spotted onto the surfaces. This seventy high touch surfaces on a triumph that you know you just WanNa Chop your hands off. You get off the trying you know at least use an alcohol by heads. Of course, yes, brace, it wouldn't be. You wouldn't want to be eating chicken nuggets on. Trying that'd be like us. We'll Dr. George. Thank you for joining us for the main show I'm into all of our patriots. We we continue our discussion in our after show this evening taking on out listeners questions. If you're interested in that, please tune in otherwise. Thank you, Dr Joseph joining us you and plays to the listeners the Patriots. People who are following on plays where mosque wash your hands socially distance, and if you feel unwell in any way, guard and get a test at get the head coach until you know what those test results. And what a show that was! Thank you so much for George. In answering all these questions and specially to Sam, elkan wells very interesting chat we had. It's not all we have some questions that are going to be answered with Dr George in the after show, so stay tuned for that will sign a trope patron on It's like the code section in Dolly The. Side power off and see. Actual nudes in Dolly No. Co Sixty doctoral like. Calls, My magazine just colds. No, yeah. The side interview like learn how to get a blowjob. Sex. So sign up to the. six dollars a month or something you. Chose well until next week. Everybody, we'll see you then bank.

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After Show: RuPaul's Drag Race gabfest

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After Show: RuPaul's Drag Race gabfest

"Hi this is jimmy low. Check my new album dance featuring like this download peace down the illusion back nothing. They're slow dance. Laura you can download or stream the album wherever you get your music from. This is a lip media podcast. We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we are recording. We pay our respect to past and present and the aboriginal elders of other communities. Who may be listening today. So welcome to opt after show. Everybody time someone says officer off to birth like no way. I wanted to say after birth repeals on talk. I wanna talk about it i like. I'm really depressed them. Something it reminds me of big brother. Play oh our shower. Just sit in a room for four hours. How much experience with big brother in australia. But in south africa that had a channel dedicated to it and there was times when they would shower and people would just tune in by watch people. Shout on news edited. Oh are we all you know you go much lower on satellite. Tv chump dedicate the different coverage. But we did have big brother light. Which is like an edited dan. Mike an like and it was like the to sex dixon stuff but then at one point everyone said that was a bit intrusive and so there's still digs teabag the yes yeah. Yeah you're right. I don't drag drag race the season. Eleven finale just happened Silky numbing. Make nash we had brooklyn heights. Abiola and devonport. What guys think of the final fall. Can i just say if we go back the season eleven premier. We talked about right then. Not predicted this full with the exception of silky now mechanism in place of nayna west for me. It was first episode. It was on the riding quyen. Yeah would get to the final show. The weeds peo- baby from the beginning to the end. And then the other two were in awash. But i think i was pretty good predictions steve very well. It was nice. So the battle lip syncs So the first two battles we had sukey nutmeg and brooklyn. She picked picked up felt like that was tactics. I can't believe you like he picked her. Because i was like wait. Why was she lip sync assassin. I was about to say so. Listen explain this to me. I haven't watched. Every single is really going and i know who they all right in brooklyn was was really good. She's with ballet. Does what i think happened was obviously depending on who was picked. They were sort of convinced by producers to pick a certain person. because obviously you want brooklyn navy in finale. Want them to live sing against each other because they had the most incredible lip sync when they will buy them the bottom turner. Yeah oh that was in those. My thinking was but did you. How shit scared so yes. She looked freaked out like tighter tactical one. Because i thought she wanted to do that and just be done with it because she knew she taken out and she didn't want to go against e. began had that whole conflict with. Abc's you to be taken down by her enemy for. She wanna look bad on tv. I'll just be honest. i wasn't gonna win anyway against the asking. Take so does the threat on right at literally that commenting on like the edit of the finale one's interesting to detail about that first choice was people said. Silky actually spent an excruciating amount of time really decision for laced. Good ten minutes. They wouldn't let it. Someone sits down today said like that recording record different endings and stuff and it's a full day audience screaming at her to pick. Av judah this lack few people wanted to see and even though she was not my favorite queen on the season. I can acknowledge you. Some incredible television show quite a bit empathy for someone who's literally been raked over the coals by the general public for the last like ten years felt this season. Yeah then is standing in front of live audiences you know most of these do not like you and your being screamed at to choose. The person that you know is ultimately going to beat you up in a lip. So i i actually feel quite bad four silky in that moment and i think in the moment she probably just did not wanna pick being screamed at a turn. Curious picked brooklyn was literally just a hand gesture. Like it wasn't even i i pick brooklyn. It was just a. Here's the hand. Yeah it wasn't even. That's so true. I guess and obviously brooklyn one that lip sync out very well that moves. She did when she's doing handstands. That was very cool. I really understand. She had like chains attach. Did she pull her. he'll so the rubio was her heels. Were shire's just walking point the whole time so the chains were connected to the front of the shoes and she snapped. Frontal shoes often kick the back of data points on we very. That's very cool. Review to the max and just popped up a wig and then ripped another one in half. I liked the wig. Reveal enjoyed that how she looks just tearing her hair fucking reveals on that. At least you had invented a new way of doing it. Just didn't look weak. Interest speaking of reveals in the second lip sync did once a week. I think they warring i feel like a. The outfit wasn't amazing. A wig then offer revealed to be more of the same outfits. Oh you wearing more spa goals and that's it did love. Ap's outfit actually went to a thrift shop. Bought all the phones toys talk bull. I did like this. Shout out to freebritney rebrith panties. Yeah it kind of got a bit lost over the plush really clear as you would just for the photos that would be released a polish anymore. Obvious they would probably not to get. I think watching the first lip syncs and who told by the third in this one vote really meth type two bit and i don't know if you guys noticed it too. I felt the editing was really awful Yeah no you mean my theory would drag race. Is they really want to hammer home. Who's doing better in any given lip synch regardless of whether they actually are of what they want you to think. So you say. A lot of extremely tight zoomed in shots of a particular performance. You won't get a scope of like they actually are on the stage. What the other person is doing at any given time. And i think oh three lip syncs on that evening in particularly this one with and curia. I struggled to like catch where they were like. Lips went moving in time with the something at some point. I think flubbed. And i mean for the holy doing finale to they give those plus other songs because like all the polls are like i'm seek of reveals would actually love it for somebody in the body satan finishing about sanctions but with it was the one time where i really wanted to reveal. I can't allow that mapa dress but it was. It looks like it was high that she was doing and she was doing a really cool lip sync but it was hiding all body movements. It was a one time where i was like. Okay now rip-off off revealing amazing freebritney underneath that much material costumer like all. There's got to be like other costume underneath that. Because they always seem to be doing the sugar cane but she has interesting. I'd and if you so now released a video clip wearing the dress from that. Yeah so i think that she'd preplanned this video clip. That's probably why should address. Okay fair enough ending. Obviously everyone that one and it came down to brooklyn in the final and this is where you want to stop listening if you if you don't care about it if you like. What do you do if you paid to listen to this. You would've watched it comes out in the stress. That i thought was like what is going on that the headdress hotel incredible that it didn't matter what she's very on the bottom half whatsoever. I think it was nice that she didn't do reveal because it was just like the back of the headdress was the review which was great and that. Bend over thing turnaround. Your that was absolutely incredible. Brooklyn's outfit With it's a glass bodysuit. Mira thing i like. It's beautiful and it looks great. She had the big cape on. That comes the review that that's gap brooklyn's first lip sync was really cool. She's awesome that the second one. I agreed that even though she was my kids i agree that she should have won. That was physcial. That's interesting because i didn't watch the holes as an watching. The finale i was so it's few episodes. In the finale i was hardly gunning for In the finale and was through when she won always controversy online. I was like fuck. Where did i miss in between episodes. She's sort of like dips right down to the bottom and then she comes right back up again and because she speaks her mind quite bruce early. That's why you need to calm the fuck down. By the end of the season. She realized that and she did become very humble. Yeah just right to say even in her final. Look before the finale. I think that was perfect. The way she did that was incredible. Still weird but it was gorgeous. And from that moment i was just you're gonna win mightier hands down. I think winning was a bit of a relief for me. So i think it shows a paradigm shift for where the show is potentially going to car. I hope to go get a hiatus thing. My gay life can take another season this year but it was very clearly a move away from if you have the best track records and non white and tick have re drag race bucks which is having. It's the same four or five designers that make these outfits so if you got the coin together so the project runway paid as gaming and make your outfits you you get a decent snatch game character your what and you know if he reveals you pretty much. have your journey tracked her to the finale. I think av winning. Despite only having one win challenge throughout the season she won the get out. Power off you and having a majority of handmaid's a do it yourself. Looks that went exactly at a design a level throughout the season and then winning with two performances without any week reviews just performing her thing shows the potentially those guaranteed winning criteria things for the past four seasons of drag race potentially may not be. What is going to get you to that ali anymore. I definitely think we've had three years of this like lip sync for the crown format. I think it's time for that to maybe change the show. Just because by the same token. I don't think it's necessarily fair for someone who has done shake run and won the majority challenges challenges. Yeah that's the whole house down. Then get eliminated doesn't based off a single performance that to me just doesn't really seem latin entertainment or like a good narrative visual judging panel. That's not previous bitter queens. Yeah i think just do it. The drag race thailand way this fire. No yet they get a budget they get a choreographer and they get lucky a few weeks to just basically design their own show too. And that's what queens do anyway designed and going to perform. Yeah to what songs and let someone highlight. What their unique point of view is skill set is as a performer. Art form kind of fully realized that because if it was like say it was nayna west who is a great quaint final. She had to lip sync the word. It's really i mean. That's not all queens skills. That's where all the skills lie in purely dancing and shake that thang so. I hope this finale is the loss that we get in this format shakes up. Potentially the formula for winning drag race Because they've gone through now like a few different stages of finale so in the beginning early seasons it was just on stage one and then the middle seasons it was the top three did like individual performances and interviews and the roommate his decision announced lip sync for the crown. I think yeah now time to move on officials. I mean if you're saying so if you live is sort of saying well the way that you'd stay in this game is by proving the fundamental skill that every drag queen must have which is sinking to a song which is basically. What drag queens do on the actual saying. Yeah then maybe that is what should be what decides who wins as well like. If that's the fundamental skill that you kick people out on then should be the one that is decided to you. Get to design your own lip synch performance you have some sort of way to keep saliba singular but perhaps you come up with your own idea. You could even do a whole episode of them putting it together that system and and it also allows the produces to control. What's that you know those box. They open boxes at the finale. The songs you know same song really into show picking lip syncs to walk past. The other team from writer was the spinney wheel off. Yeah i was wondering was raked. It's rig apparently that also an excessive amount. It's because it's on some sort of time. Yeah yeah to pick shows behind it waiting to stop speaking of a show i i very rarely say about rupaul's drag rice and it's not about the queen's that go on in fact the the contestants on the show is the thing that makes it good and they're the ones putting the effort and the time and putting their bowls on the line. But i will say this finale episode. There was too beautiful messages. That route dedicated time to that made me Thank god you're actually finally listening to me. Yeah i use your platform to to support the queen's it on your show and the first one was rude talking about pride of the young queen's that have no idea by the they don't toward it in school but if but if he's going to be the leader of of the sub subsection of the community then it's throughs responsibility to teach us the queen's as a lot of new people coming into rupaul's drag race straight people people anyone in the community just coming into the shortage that don't know drag his theory and gay rights history and all the trans people that came before this. It's amazing that yeah. I also that little message at the end of that little section that said goes yellow. Who gave us a support. You last feel right to be there. That was really beautiful. And then mischievous michelle can never say her name is miss. Elvis is talking about in a very comical way which is my favorite way of getting across series fast having her breast implants removed And talking about that's great. She's been known for so long for her big boobs like in memoriam four michelle's of a it was a camp that areas rag drag is camp and making something miserable fun and funny and they brought awareness to the medical issues the breast implants can cause really funny. Why and i thought it was really brave of her and it was great to reveal when she like stood up. And just kind of like quite. She's looks fabulous very. She looks fantastic and was having a laugh at it but also pointed issues and i thought that was to really healthy messages promoting show and i just want to say one thing we wrap this up and so happy that need west one million deal that she was amazed that you see that alexandria ocasio cortez. Yes she likes. Fan message though so i was like. She's so i really hope if they do do an all stars in the future. I hope she cups but they've already cast it and been on. Thanks say like it really. Does it really does help us out a lot giving that little six bucks a month. Whatever you're pledging and the money does go towards helping us put the show on in the first place because we sort of dancing quite a bit out of pocket putting these on forest but also towards putting live shows and hopefully merge one day as well forget up to send them dick pics if they walk falls away and welcome back everyone to Off to show for this wake. I'm excited for this. This week's it's an. It's an isolated job race. Conversation is people get pissed off when we drag it into the main episode especially if they don't wanna talk about it and it's interesting because it's something new to talk about drag which has been stagnant and plateauing for a number of years so over the weekend. What of debuted first episode of drag race uk which seems to be a part of that worldwide the movement to a world wide empire of drag rice Sort of series. So it's joining drag race thailand. This is the first of uk the to do for drag race ustralia. It's really interesting to see the differences. not only in dry culture in the competitors in the show itself the nitty gritty of how its main shows actually work a lot of people on my fade and people that have been message may have been saying what. A breath of fresh air was competitive. Yeah the last. Few seasons of american or more j. drag race and i do agree. I've watched myself a couple times now and agreed. That was different. I always recommend. I will take this semi great but i always recommend watching trae grass thailand if you enjoyed this and you've got two seasons of drivers thailand. The isn't it have discussing the possible you can watch it easy to access it somewhat of wonder But you can also cry. There's a fan that does vary dato fan translations including breaking down coach but it highlighted to me watching uk drag race. This vote different. And absolutely i think part of it is because of the competitors. There's like I wouldn't say camry But there's been so many cycles own drag race in america so entrenched on how you meant to at what. The impact is going to have to accept what not to do. The has made progress kind of boring to wives. I looked back to sheet out of drag race for as long as we're pretending this podcast. But i haven't always hide drag race the first piece as a rupaul's drag race. I thought it was amazing and it was so creative and it was what drag is about. It's about expression and creativity and the show. I faust started becoming really monotonous and one of my huge gripes was that michelle would always be trying to make everyone look executive insurance which really shocked me off. That's absolutely not what drags about and it also became so much about. You know you you explain one point late on read. It was explained that they would go and get massive backlogs because they would go ahead and have you know thousands of dollars worth of dresses and that stuff and how these completely perfect polish design looks they would walk onto the catwalk. What i'm really excited about with drag racer. Uk is they. Don't have that god. It's gone back to handicraft. Something wong who is amazing and we need to talk a lot about you know. One of things that she said was that she doesn't have the budget that a lot of other coins have and yeah had. Her looks were very cardboard and staple gun but they were amazing. They were the best ones. I i noticed. Many it seemed like really haven't watched the earliest seasons of drag racing but it seemed like a lot like that in the way that many of them kind of just seem to be wearing address that they bought off the shelf. Yeah look. I don't want to dress up the show like went to opening. I wouldn't say that i mean. They didn't noticeably. Didn't look as polish like out there as the us. But that's kind of what's exciting about it and they all look exactly. Yeah very very different styles of drag and i also feel like michelle's being toes to pull it back of on on the harsh critiques of doing something crazy out there and i feel like that comes from. We've said this before the drag and foam in america's a lot more about the scene quyen dragged. Us and being much more female impersonation than anything else whereas drag in the uk is its history and its roots of based much more in theater and panta. And you know we've talked. I know if have talked about on the on the podcast. But soho in london had an amazing drag saint after world war two and and it was very much these pantomime danes and these late night stand up comedians. And danny larue in those sorts of queens. Yet and you know they always have their the evil stepsisters in the pantai. Always played by this manning drag and yeah i. I think you saw a lot of that coming through in not only their personalities but also the star like what they're wearing on the catwalk really love the see the very notable cultural difference. Yeah yeah and just all that sense of humor and then half the time of my quite funny. Yeah disarray breakdown. Some ta contestants were given apparently a five thousand pound budget Secretly is a sort of up their outfits and look for the show also thinking in terms of judging and michaud in particular It's a tv show and from a lot of the interviews with previous costs members. She's actually not that person. Simon cowe gordon ramsay. It's a row. That's been signed to a. I think something that really is that you know she can be. There's going to be someone that's aggressive nasty on the panel always plays that. Well my gripe for the last several seasons of ripples drag races being that she's trying to make them all look the same type the dots up. It's like if the person's org and they can work the dots on their face into their creative look every single thing. They're allowed to wear dotson. Their face drags about i. My honest opinion is that she's told critiques to give more of what's drag race you go okay. This person's getting critiqued this week because sending them home in a certain number they have a kind of like flailing formula of. Who's going home planned out from this dot and i think that's why the critiques in general are actually much softer cross the board so they can spike whoever they need europe. The audience to view is bad for that week because as someone. Who's whatever. I don't see them really conforming. Everyone but they will pick on whomever they need to pick out to get the plotlines sort of across. And i think what's nice about thailand and the u. k. Or the rue and michaud odd. Judging on this show for anyone that hasn't watched is that they may be less of that plan in place. I mean i was kind of expecting more in the formula of the first show. The first episode. Two different did seem very much the same. What am i ve kept the formulas going to branch out more. I'm kind of hoping like it's still going to not just kind of their personalities in the we'll make it different. Yeah exactly. that's what i'm thinking. Yeah i mean. Let's talk about the challenges. My god i thought that would really great. Something should have one. Yeah i agree that lick me thing. We saw gross. Just a rake had the mini challenge at the start of the episode was off with their heads photo. Shoot where the photograph themselves. How hedo kicking there and head. Which was quite funny. You know if you're gonna put a royal spin on it but then the main catwalk was two to one of them. Was your hometown. And the other one was taking a leaf out of Elizabeth look obviously as a monarchist. I was screaming that. I thought they did such a good job. Blue hide ranges coin. Look i thought was quite amazing. Very impressive impressed. With how form fitting awards two or face like the move. There was no gaps. Was really i really creative and again you know. It's just cod. And honk clues but it was a really effective look and was dragged. Who's your favorites. Okay something looks really cool steph. I really like them. Surprisingly actually likes as very critical on. What's the bisexual one let's get can. Yeah yeah i was like. Oh yeah as if. Mike who am i say you buy as i buy i was guilty. Oh fit and i was like and then i reflected and i was like i say yeah and actually really like his drag drag. I think it's really exciting. That there is a bisexual person on the show. I think that's sort of yeah some small way we're sort of branching out a little bit with it. Looks like eddie redmayne. Because i do the thing i didn't like about skating was that he's been to a fucking drag thousands bit week. It's actually kind of rude if you like show. Nineteen you haven't been to drag but when you you find out months of going on strike rights to a fucking bar and watch it's a bit odd it's direction zeki. Beat like rude. It's very similar to the shangila plotline. So there were a few moments in the permeate whereas like oh. I see whether i've wanted this young things out. Because i hate that kinda shit. A very clear thing with sketti cat was have her speak very openly about how inexperienced how she doesn't know anything how she's never performed and then give the win in the mini challenge immediately afterwards to set up this line of dispersants the underdog and they've done this many many many times before the good. This is what's really smart about this show. The rotting the programming of it. Is those many challenges. You could say anyone because he every time wins. So mike really isn't much difference. It's piped through exactly. Yeah so they can just sort of be like. I'm obsessed bag of chips. I don't think. I don't love the look so far but like us with the sorry funny Something wrong is absolutely my favorite song. Go yeah it feels a bit uncomfortable. I will say saying something wong's name. I shouldn't be saying this. I hear other people say the judges say it is a bit cringe sitting at home abbreviate. We'll just because it's a one way dialogue. Yeah they have no way to judge what my comfort level with asian jokes. They know what her yeah. She's reclaiming it but like she can't really do that for reclaiming and she's putting she's making the choice of putting the words into everyone's mouth when she does a gig at. She's making sure that people have to put on their post to something wrong. She talked to the show that she understands other people in her community. That don't understand why she does it But that she feels proud about it. So i guess she's she's consciously chosen that name knowing that people are going to have to use the name. Does that make sense siegel okay. I understand about reclaiming i. I've done it so many times myself and been that sort of provocative to with comedy to get people to think of things. But it's still sometime set a little bit wrong with me. Because i knew that there were people that would she was putting those words into the mouths of people that weren't going to reflect opponent whatsoever. They were just going to say it because that's a name something wrong. Ha ha report. One of those she is not displayed the most insight to cultural sensitivity. Yes that's especially. When it comes to asian representation in host shows satanic her. repeat it back and kind of wink. Wink nudge nudge. Does not sit. Great with me. Yes fair enough. But it's drag them and it's a funny drag names memorable. it's her. Ifa kind of I i think it's great to have representation and it looks like she's going to like make pasta the halfway point at least which is great. You end isn't set up not yet. We're talking one episode dame but isn't set up in unnecessary drama that harass unfortunately Plastic in the previous season. I really liked being strikes personality. Not so much look so far so good strikes again. The one wearing yellow. She did the show the one that did the the queen's african to a look yes. Do you ever take a look. Look when i say about some craft mmg as soon as they had the button and she was in the bottom two with gothic kendall. There's no i have to say. I know i posted this on social media. I thought it was so funny that you know in in america. They're always like these. Have these elaborate back stories. And it's like and they'll just sit down. Stop pattering their noise. And all of a sudden they're talking about how like this is to has diabetes and and the dog's day and everyone whole life back and in this one the darkest backstory they could find in the where we slow emotional. Music was in gothi kindle was talking about how it was hard because he has bad taste and i look. I'm retired having bad teeth but it was just kind of funny comparison between the american version. The uk version it might get deeper surely but yeah but did you guys think gothic candles just lack of emotion whatsoever. I quite liked coffee. Dole and i thought it was quite sweet and lovely. I mean in the in the diary room. Whatever like he had personality when he was in drag. It was just dead pen it was. I think he's probably just really intimidated. What was he. Twenty is very young. Yeah it'd be really scaring drag race has been going so long. Now that there's kids and i think Scaredy cat said this. That he'd grown up entirely. We dragged right. It's like a little. Yeah yeah there's been. A number of cranes started Because of drag race and even the american seasons and it shows the coach will impact that they have Yeah gothi i think was kind of set up to fail in a lot of ways and it's kinda sad to put someone out so earn onto a stage and same with sketti cap for example photo shopped. Her head onto other drag queens photos for the audition because she did not have any photos of her in drag So should done the makeup but she full body shots of god and basically had to bluff her way onto this shots credits. Amazing i feel for these people like a little bit over their heads. What i like overall about it is. I get the vibe that there's no guarantee there's going to be a drag race. Uk season two. Yeah there's no guarantee that this is part of some ever lhasa one thing history of Drag television so the people that had just genuinely same happy. Yes of each other. Get to be because it's a much smaller prize isn't that what was it was like nothing. They get flown to american politics series. They think it's something to do with the fact that because the bbc is national broadcast like running. Yeah sure they can't do. A of five hundred thousand dollars is perhaps because it's not that cash prize at the end of it. it's it's more about having a good time and less pressure. I think a lot of. I don't know how much of the great british bake off. Is that the one wants they talk about you. Bought one yeah I think because. The bbc has guidelines against giving cash prizes. A lot of uk reality competitive. Tei shows yeah. That's not the end game. The end game over it is actually about being the best baker All being the best dragway wayne young. And you get a little awarded and yet famous. Yeah yeah and then you go on Reality brother-in-law's with didn't the one that won the challenge. Then she had already won some drag race. I think rudy did a competition small competition in the uk reports ambassador in the does. It wasn't televised or anything. Like that. i think was a series of miles from what i understand. I try was hard. Find i tell you. I dated one of the Years ago very briefly at the tv he wasn't actually on the first episode. but i didn't think he didn't see on. The first episode is posted in scam photos and stuff like that love. The guy seriously haven't spoken to him for ten. But it's like you. We might slug slammed his dan. Hi what are you doing that old. Flame he's like. I have let myself go. I rip stolen like stunning now. I want recommend for anyone other than drag race silent. People who are finding this rejuvenating their interest in reality drag. I'm season three of dracula minutes streaming on amazon prime and an accident uploaded three episodes only ahead of schedule it deviates from the drag race foam even more than drag race. Uk it's shows a wider breadth of. What the drag road is An highly recommended. This season has a buyer quyen competing drag king competing as well as multiple people of color and is an antithesis knew everything that drag race season the attain fourteen fifteen will be so i do recommend that and the some really amazing looks even if you're not into golf goal monsters blood and guts the cross the and the creativity is really worth checking and they'd go off chops on your show. Some of the fights in the first guess what we want that that is not happening on drags so recommendation dracula drag last season three drivers thailand season two. And let's see how jargons uk grants to after show Thanks for your darlas. As we said we are having a little break from the main episodes for a couple of weeks. But because you've been given money we didn't want to rip you off so we're going to keep the after show's going for the next couple of weeks will Chat to you then and welcome back to our after show. I think you to everybody listening all about patrons to donate to us and tune in wildcat minus tom. Yeah mindless tumb for this one. Because i'm having watched it so we booted him. Yeah we build it him out. He does not get hurt for this episode. But we are going to be talking about rag ray controversial some people have. I think it's nice is separated out. I if if you wanna if you wanna kiki about drag race you can. Yeah at really to actually like it and it's been the light hi to chat. It's hard to come by these days. So yeah yeah. I was on instagram. The other day and someone posted like a really good outfit and they were obviously a homosexual like replied to this story. And i was like two and like i thought that reference was like pretty well known. Yeah within the community. Say they were like. Did you fought to thomas. Probably says to and then they were like what do you mean. Oh god you like shutdowns ahead. Yes some heterosexual conversation. I'm in some real water off a duck's back. I'm howie feeling about seats and twelve. so go with. This is the first season everyone is the show for the last like six months. We've been doing it. Or whatever like i pretty religiously. Nancy drew and writer elliott coach. Yeah like knowing what the coins of done before the show. And whatever i so much is going on in the world right now. I'm just watching a purely as like entertainment lion and very light entertainment. And i think that's the kind of nation that drag rice's moving into any way i can honestly say enjoying for what it is say. It is the same show that i grew up with. Nah it's very different now. I think it's a strong cost of of of queens bob. Young one that you don't see very much. I can get to this stage of when a few whittle out on people and you actually learn they are. My favorite now has got speed. Crystal methods really groin amedee now. She's my favorite from the big big cookie and make up with very extreme. But i don. I like getting to know her. And she's really like adore. Yeah the mullet great now. Like how like mullet and always plays the wants to fuck head and i was like i would use that using. I think if you watch back there's always one quyen report like saw has a nickname you've got. That was the mayor co you ge- agree with the winter. Every season has one and chris demidov banana fan. Banana anna brown. Yeah what was heavy laguardia. Nick that's true. Answer that quyen of the season. But in the madonna ruzicka. Here's my favorite reverence lately. Have up before my favorite madonna's. She did as well right. you've lot. yeah so. I think a bit robbed by giving another wind to front runner. Ggv yeah i feel. She is amazing. Absolutely i think whole percent is quite flawless but our is just it feels like she's getting cocky in like yeah not like an overt way but like just to confident and everyone likes underdogs speaking of underdog miss heidi and 'cause it i have fallen in love with her hydrate. Hydrate herschel name was it just that thing. I think it's just as bad. Yeah and sherry pilic. You guys were mentioning earlier. It's way to see how they chop and change between showing bits afar and then like some episodes will seem like there's a lot of episodes like completely. Let's just been at none of them. Odds i'd say episodes where she's not i. I would honestly eight. My words from the premier said this is in the can. She's gonna be all over this season. It's very obvious chopped. they're smart. She wasn't even in the runway for the the pasta episodes. Sometimes she'll be in the runway and sometimes she says confusing but also i feel like they have kind of just let her be when she's adding to someone else's story. I think the reason with the runway thing like 'cause the first couple that they cut her out of. I think the reason why they put it back in. The runway is because obviously the costuming itself is done by design a- and that designer has sort of set fold the socks like close not going to be shutting off. I think that's maybe why they've put it back in the runway and you sort of hear any of critiques. It's only the frozen moons. She hasn't appeared and she's been in all the other runways out so it's really weird that they chose that one particular one but i think that episode. They must have just not wanted very much of her. at all. like my opinion from watching this season the person like copped the worst added the cost down from the let the let collateral damage of the edit is brita filter. Obviously when someone's a front runner in this competition they get a substantial amount of talking head. Time those those interviews with a to That they had to cut all of sherry and you can say the british screen time. She didn't have very much else to say. Except i'm from new yawk. And i'm pretty good has been inserted over the top and the fan base of just like red filth. Oh yeah i actually think it's in a fallout effect of them. Needing to point whole season would suffer because of it because they would have to use not as good material because they were cutting some. Yeah it's been a struggle to watch. Nba reminds you stuff. But then i've got no. I cannot support you unfortunately but I don't know. I think i focused more on everybody else. Like as much as possible and trying to get that she's in there will slot easier now than you kinda spooky when she randomly pups up in a conversation and get. Get somewhere true okay. I feel really bad for the coins this season because not only did they have this controversy hanging over their heads they also have the pandemic affecting the usually rolling in right now and digitally car. I train wreck. That's about to happen and be able to film the finale. The usual way that they already think they even gonna be able to film at. Yeah and you know with the oil industry just collapsing. Your is money's probably gonna get cut to noah and rupaul's oil or minerals cracking. The has a if anybody listening to this. What we're talking about rupel owns a massive ranch. In northwestern america like sixty thousand acres and he said in an interview that he leases out the rise alive oil and enroll usage on his ranch meaning all signs pointing to franken very interesting when he had ho episodes like unclogged climate. He had a or see on the show. Airing and editing out oliver polls i. It didn't surprise me. Ruposi acquaintance in about the coin. Full a very very off a friend. I had conversation about this show and realizing the for a very long time. It was something really important for the community but perhaps not so much anymore light entertainment and if you found out that like jeff probst from survivor. Frappes it. Bill your i. I'm at a point. Now where can separate my valleys of reality television short. I can be exposed to some dry queens that i would never discovered beforehand and i can support them individually by purchasing them and by seeing them when they come to australia. People at brown and things like that you know like that is what i can get out of this experience but i ain't going to be one of those grant standards slack rupo frac so damn with the she always. Yeah yeah it's not gonna change anything. I'm still most upset about this. Season is random sankara being fucking booted out over aden also sad about that. It was a little while guard. But she was so good and cured and back once in a may have to eight my words. I wouldn't bet wanted my fingers that you will see rock on the no starts as Absolutely i really hope so. She can shine on it. Also i think part of the template of the show now is literally setting up better breeding like some good ones. just bring. yeah yeah yeah you'd be super not to look at the cost of osas five like oh what did you guys have you guys. Watch the most recent episode. And what did you think about the whole jackie cox expression through her drag with the jab and jeff yang type of thing. I think it was beautiful. Representation without a great message was a lot of layers to what she was putting out there. I think it was really irresponsible of jeff goldblum to bring up a question like that on the main stage of taking shirt. Like if you wanna ask questions in private absolutely go for us. I agree with that because i feel like his questions spark more conversation regarding the topic and i feel like she was wearing that outfit to spot conversation so i think she believed what she wanted. So because i've watched it back. And they were all saying yes really nice outfit and dress and like has a message blah blah blah and like. They were just going to move on after. They said that she was like saying thank you. Thank you and they went and got to jeff. He asked the question. And i think he's just asking the question. I didn't think he was coming across the accusatory. I think he was curious and he said i'm sorry i might be. An idiot began so then once he said that she went more into it and then they all kind of discussing so i think it is about starting conversations and i think she achieved that and that's what his question was about. I agree with you on the curiosities things if someone was to walk out the in habit who was christian catholic. You're not gonna turn around and ask all bit. Aren't christians and catholics anti-gay and mike anti-feminist anti-woman bike. It's only ever brought up when it's islam involved because every religion has its faults it never. He didn't mean any malice by so not. Everyone who is muslim is against gay people or is anti woman. Want so ever like it was just a generalization over religion. And that's why a lot of people had a problem with it. I don't think it was his incheon behind. It was the question itself like should not asked i. I see both of your sides here. And i think the vote actually lies moat. With the editors. Yeah i do go jeff. Goldblum is an intelligent man and his loot and he obviously came onto the show with some reverence for the odd of drag and for what drag race as a show is any. He lived for his time. That doesn't even crying at her performance like her. Try to katy fuck it. I know it was a real real. Something i'm like. Why is he crying out. To say. I'm i'm certain we see like a tenth of what is filmed and i'm show forever outfit. That went down. You can tell jeff goldblum. Is that type of guy that hinder damn line umbrella. Tell me more about this like me more about that. And he probably similarly like probing questions of each and every coin. I'm sure he did. You know that was someone dressed out. There was a red coat for fuck. Say yeah you would have questioned that as well. It was actually the edits decision or kazan and islam. A phobia is a huge thing These questions loaded for a lot of gem. You cannot give adequate space on the runway like a five minute runway to fully explained the the depths of of what someone's believes it was inappropriate editing. I believe yes. I'm sure i'm jeff as a person would have gone down all of those age in every one of those damn coins. Similar fucking shit. He's the doctor doesn't have he'll love that Before we wrap up a little bit about celebrity drag race yeah atmosphere. I watched it last night as fuck after watches. I'm like okay. The they literally just releasing rupaul's less slight twist on it like every single fucking year like with slight change. But still the same thing. It was finals entertaining. I it was. It was entertaining of bold faced lies. The most entertaining thing about ruposi secret. Celebrity drag race is the tae that is being spilt outside of celebrity drawers. Where would he is. Like the challenge. And i was like what is it. Finding a celebrity is beeping part of the celebrity. The out in terms of the fact that do the make up that i they make up would have been so much better. That's so that's the exciting part. Seeing them put makeup on someone else. Yeah it's disappointing that they didn't actually show the drag queens on the show drag styles. Yeah i do. Commend him for picking like three of my favorite drag queens bone marini and so that will really good choices. What if they said his forty minutes of those drag queens reading these guys fulfil. Th-th i opt for. I'll be like yeah. I wouldn't have spent time with cranes. But those three people know. And have your seen on twitter the beef between implicated and nico imp kid. All you have to drag queen of day abo- things works. You know those that designers that does like the groupie hands and like though he faced. It's she's an incredible fucking quyen and she did some tweet being like If you wanna watch celebrity fracking race. And that's you know it was a very tongue in cheek. Neko tweeted becca. Earner may miss. But i spend a lot of time on the show talking about like trans misogyny and they decided to cut it all out so do not come for me online miss thing home and then replied and said i didn't even realize i wasn't even trucking up about you and then he locked her. Oh i liked him. Because he's in a show i watch could younger and like his character and that but then i'm and continue. 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Lipp Selects: She is Legend

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Lipp Selects: She is Legend

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Well just you know lots of uni lots of and view frantically scrambling to get everything sorted. But i had a. I've been pleasantly surprised with my uni sipho which has been nice but other than that. I've been getting ready for christmas decorations. And his it's l. I in new house. So i was like wrought going all out which i'm i'm a title christmas a you christmas not yet. I think we've spoken about this before amicus. Not i'm possibly moving house. So do i start setting up. Do i ought. And i don't know if i'm going to be in melvin for christmas eric in the border. I'm hoping to go to brisbane for as long as i can. So i show the answer normally be putting the tree up anyway. Not not december lawrence man more minutes. Yeah where having a real christmas trade. This which i'm really pumped about and so yes. On the weekend we went to bondings and this giant poet and my kids to just pint it and they just like squirted out all these colors of acrylic and they just went to town. My daughter is one and a half and my son is four so it was just this amazing messy explosion on the pot and on them on my daughter. It was mostly on her she. I think she got more on her than she did on the pot and she does this thing like every morning. She watches me. Put my moisturizer on. So whenever she has something on her hands she pretends she's putting moisturizer on sex. She The with this acrylic. It was everywhere but she was just leaving her best law so she loves mess that kid and all this guy fargo friend on the blue beta corey Instagram stories. And i saw her. We did have. And i thought at the time. I wonder if you do that. Every episode is such a beautiful tradition. I paint a pot every ah gentlemen. Well thought we'd do this one. And then we'd bring that putt at every every year. That's thing yeah. But i mean they're pretty rough sawed off. The puck is going to live in a lot chairman. Chris forgets it. Yeah but i'll have to put a picture on instagram of how beautiful masterpiece of upon east stunning. I really appreciate it. Because i feel like when my kids without age and would paint everything would just turn into brown would remain colorful the our become so mix that everything was just brown. Yeah will the trick is get hates brushes so you have like a brush for h. Cola for each kid said they're not mixing all the colors together. I mean they still did and haughty just ended up pushing it pushing on with their hands. But it's still colorful. I was impressed. I was yeah. No yeah yeah i mean. They're very fancy children. Don't you die on every time mine have to paint something now. They just use black red and yellow flag. Colors thing awesome okay. Do you have a recommendation for me. This week i do i do. I've been at the podcasts. And these listened to on and off for a while. Now it's been around two and a half years and eric crime up who is the grain of confidence that her in style. That's her brand title and pasta school confidence articles articles. And it is just all about some of. It's about her janis. Some of it sometimes has guests on. Its oldest about leaving. Your i guess best buy and earning accident is always going to be. Who gonna cost judgment and going throw shade and decided to step into your power and do what you wanna do. Leave it via an and about healing from a lot of your tournament stuff as well. So just found her to be really therapeutic in she's also just written a book. I don't know what it's called. May we shine out something Yet i do meaning to raise the christmas break or something. So yes this. There's nothing quite like setting aside time to just sit down with a physical book. Yeah and i'm hoping madrid news queensland focus mass and i can hit the bait and not just iconic from the central land how i grew up yet. I've been raining glennon. Oils book still. I think i recommended that on. Nfs episode and breathing it for months. Like i know. I will yet. But i reckon i would average maybe one book per year that task slowly books it star relaxing at grounding. Yeah it's really nice. You're a busy lady. Do you have a recommendation. I do so. My recommendation is also podcast. But it's a particular episode. So i think i recommended last week. A podcast called the briefing with jamf ron jamila ribs and a bunch of other amazing journalists. So they did an episode on friday. Just gone cold. The hidden psychology. Driving us to distraction and it was really interesting. It was all about how people sit. And you know you attempt to focus on things that you end up being distracted and way that comes from and how it's like you'll inbuilt Reaction to trying to escape uncomfortable feelings and uncomfortable feelings as things like boredom all that sort of thing so you rates via fine because you have not sort of fully engaged hopefully stimulated what you doing it was just really interesting and i said that like destruction serves a purpose. So if you set aside time to do the things that you do while you're distracted that that's technically not a destruction. Could you meant to be doing things in his time. And he's recommendation was like if you don't play in your time during the day than you should stop planning your time because then you can segment time way really focused and you know put you find a way whatever and then you can allow full united scrolling instagram. But that's the thing but i was just. It was just so interesting to hear the psychology hunt. Because i am somebody who will sit down especially at you need with all this unique stove and guy. Yes i'm gonna smash this eleven and then two hours later okay. So i've written fifty words. I just get so distracted. I find it. So i had to fight sometimes but yeah so. This is a really interesting episode for anybody. Who does that lack mate. Andre listen to a a really different perspective because i have. Adhd like and easily distracted. I added acted like a just kind of marriott. Maybe yes some of that for myself. Have a listen tiny like it's done in like twenty minutes long so it's just a quick clip on. I can barely see through movie. Yeah yeah yeah without reaching fine or anything like that just even just wanting to have a chat. Yeah would think think is not naming in say to whoever like. Oh that's right sorry. Forgot all like my my. Brian will just trial off. And i just think of other things. And i'll be looking at it and my husband will go all. Whoa what happened. And you'll looking at the same moving this me that back when he the laughing yet hundred. Even i couldn't tell you that yet. Yeah okay. I mean the other thing that i have been quite enjoying this. Week is just observing the number of brands that are jumping off the sinking ship. That is paid evans. Saying i'm not a big fan of cancel coacher. That's the thing. I think we need to give people room to grow in all of those sorts of things but they know there's a point where they're not gonna do better when they know better because they're not interested in knowing or they think in in in our allies i would say in the pond. You silly goose. I'm not perfect. Yeah getting on inappropriately. Evans have for us sane. At this week is a woman who i think is bloody impressive And who i think should be household name given what has just unfolded with a twenty eight hundred. Us election yes. it is not kamala harris. That's why was waiting full. Not all the head time will come. I think also. But i think this woman needs more recognition and praise because she's the kind of unsung hero of the election a. k. I think i know where we're going yet. I this week by legend is stacey abra. Yes yes oh and let me tell you. I geeked out so much. I understand american politics at the depth. You geek out over at the depth that you do. I know you're hot of this story. I don't know all times so he this because this is your space. And aw i'm sorry gliding by talking about this given everything that's happened the See the ongoing. Still saw him up. So let's go that. Yes okay so. I wanna preface saying by no means. Am i an expert on american politics. I just got really excited by it. I just like it's such a spectacle you know like you know the the valley brent at is totally different like they get hundreds of thousands of people who come to say their latest speak. And i think australia so laid back in how we do things that it's just so foreign to us and i just i just find the whole thing fascinating so without further ado. This is the story of the phenomenal. Stacey abrams now right at the top. I'm going to say. I got my of my information. There is an incredible documentary on amazon. Prime cold all in the fight for democracy okay Which is amazing and everybody should go and watch. Hey ain't no way you find the time for oldies called costs. All these short outline time between making earrings and make things to help other people make airings nursing and mummy and like you offer legend on. No i'm not. But i find if i can watch a documentary names like. I'm very much of visual linda. Nolan if i can what to documentary and absorb information that way it's going to be more effective than may rating it so attend documentary. Yeah if documentary. On the person who i'm doing a what chet i'll titan arts and then kind of expand from me. 'cause you're also just big nerd at ten degrees ten degrees. Would you start to show a no way. Okay this also. Abc article by rebecca armitage. Cold stacey. Abrams is hoping to turn georgia. Blue for joe biden. Now she's gunning for the Fa- democrat control of the senate and my old faithful wikipedia. Acknowledgments out of the way our. Let's get into it so stacey. Abrams was born unto seminar. Nineteen seventy-three in madison wisconsin. She is the second of six children and her parents. Robert and caroline became methodist ministers after their family moved to atlanta. Georgia atlanta jaw. I love the way people georgia spe bake like that. I like i know my leg. Boston accents semi my like southern ads. But i can't. I'd like i didn't even know Juries like i know about the. Us okay all right we'll buckle socio-economic jogger phone is a constant thing every episode your social worker nada. Something i love it. I so she attended school. What todd was good student. All of the things in nineteen ninety-five she graduated from a bachelor of arts in interdisciplinary studies majoring in political science economics and sociology. As you do at spelman college magna cum laude magna cum laude which basically already know. I think it just means she was really good at it. I think it's like a on pre dona a ducks thing. Well i think it's like i think it's like an israeli graduate with honors. I think don't quote me on that. With chad did good yes. She was okay while she was it. College she said she would attend. Local council matings And she began to understand had democracy worked and more saw how it didn't work She remembered as a child. Parents made a point of talking of taking her and her siblings with them. Every time they went to vote so it was ingrained in her from a really young age inviting was one of the most important things you could do. And that's ended. That right should never ever be taken for granted which i think in australia. Because it's compulsory we. I think we do take it for granted. That voting is such a big deal. I do think i think as people. Yeah yeah. I think it's different. I didn't even know as a woman. Don't you think like we like. I'm talking generally like for me. I love fighting. Yeah ida tree off the general population. Yeah because general population is why and his gendered and all of the things. yeah. I'm taking for granted but i think as minorities we value it. Yeah like the intersectional stuff comes into it when you look yet so i value. I fucking gay kadam by inviting. Oh absolutely because. I think i've got friends who elect k. Weeds and stuff duluth twenty years. I'm like citizen. yeah. I'm pretty about burning. You're going to love this story. you're just went off. I thought let's do it again. So she said in a speech that have father was arrested in mississippi for helping to register people to vote and that her mother was doing the same work but was smart enough not to get caught. Just i love her okay so when she was at school. She was valedictorian and she was awarded the opportunity to go and meet the governor of georgia in his mansion. Along with other kids who had been recognized and their families She said hood. Her parents got on a boss because they didn't have a call. to the governor's house and when they got there they got out of the box and they approach the gate and they were met by a god who was holding The guest list But rather than awesome than nine so that he could check the least. Hey just stopped them and said you don't belong. Hey sorry. Have i mentioned. She's black You haven't unusual by. But yes so she's a she's a black woman from black family. Yep strong african american route Which is why they would value the right to vote so mon- absolutely absolutely so her parents said no this is my daughter she steps the stasi abrahams. She's here to see the governor And stacey said that rather than checking his list. He looked past them to say that the bus was leaving and just repeated. You don't belong. He so had dad ended up. This is in the documentary. Data ended up saying to him bicycling. Look by. if you want to keep your health you check that list. So he checked the list. And i will let in So stacey says that she doesn't really have any memories from that day and for meeting the governor all for being in this huge mansion The only thing that comes to mind when she thinks that day is being told that she doesn't belong may which is just hot like your child. hunt you've been. You've been recognized via work. They've said yes gone. Made this really influential man. See you know what life could be like and you told night this is not for you like a but she actually used that story really effectively to relate to voters in her community who had similar experiences like well down the track that experience so to well as painful as it was at the time. Yup yup So in this abc article it said This is quite stacey. Abrams political career began as a student activist. She confronted atlanta's then may up not jackson during a panel discussion about rice. She questioned if he really understood the frustrations of young black people who took to the streets in nineteen ninety-two after what police officers were acquitted of beating. Rodney king ever ramana traffic harley number that that was yeah and massive. Wow yep yep and you would think what nineteen ninety-two was. I gotta long two years ago. Twenty years ago. Look ominous mathematician. Thank you think things would have improved since then. But hello george floyd not so much. I think shouldn't be able to add up. Oh with calculators might we have calculus. Get off my back i. Mr jackson was so impressed that he immediately offered her job in his office. Well yes he's young girl sitting in front of him tardily calling him out being like hey. I don't think you understand and connect with young black people. And what do you have. Decipher that and rather than being defensive. Ed riding her off he was like yes. Tell me more. I want your perspective. One montaigne which like imagine if that was the way that people thought widespread spread way. That things would be sore different. If it was like okay you have a different perspective to explain it to me. Like let me learn from that. Just amazing. So she was appointed at. This is still from that article. She was appointed. Atlanta's deputy city attorney at the rock fold age of twenty nine years old and she then went on to become the first black person elected to lay the democratic kadi in the georgia hassled representatives in two thousand and ten. So she's just smashing. Through all the baron. Mashing and these point She was twenty nine when she was elected. To the city attorney's deputy city attorney's office And then in two thousand. And i get maths not my forte. So anyway moving right along to be dispensing my medication. If i have a calculate up we do not right now. Totally you totally. Don't even stress. Stacy ran for governor of georgia in two thousand eighteen after a long political career of championing marginalized voices which we love a case. So some of had political stances gouges. She is in favor of wada. Gun control she's pro choice. She's in favor of no cash by for poor defendants. So i mean that's a big problem in australia as well like when liceu can make defendants con mate bowel required even getting started on our prison system. That maybe do a so. Tell me one cost on your asked about that. Because date on the police like i'm all wife are become. She's in favor of medicaid expansion which is basically kind of like the us version of medicare for us but not as expansive she's against capital punishment. She wants to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana. Because i mean there are many people in prison in the us. Possession of tiny amounts of maryland. Yet it's legal insanity sites that's right She support well not in georgia. She supports community policing which is essentially what people mean when they say they wanted the police. That's right so it's things like getting people with Training in deescalation and that sort of thing to respond to situations rather than armed police in all across the board She wants more funding for public schools. Smaller classes Smaller class sizes more school council as better pay for teachers and expanded early childhood education programs so basically she's awesome and we love where we're back live the things she's about. How do we know love. That's right so she said running for governor. Gina was about changing what it meant to be a leader in georgia She said hadn't been done before. So she decided to try the thing that no one had tried she knew voter suppression was a huge problem in georgia and you that her campaign to have a shot at being successful she needed to combat it and she has always firmly bane of the belief that if the right to vote was truly made available it would change the future of the nation colas. Yeah so a little bit about voter suppression in the us. Basically before the fifteenth amendment was paused Which was that. The constitution prohibits the federal government and h stike from denying the right to fight based on rice cala or previous servitude him. You will notice the absence of jeddah so women still not allowed to about black. People were allowed to vote and slice were allowed to The only people who could vote prior to that with what mao property you vomit. Yeah so as is often the case. Where i'm privileged. Majorities was sharing that privilege. It was met with a lot of resistance. What has surprised by that. We've made giants not really. And some particularly rice's states found ways around the fifteenth amendment by implementing rules and regulations around. What makes a vote. Valid things like literacy tests. That would implement. You had to possibly literacy tests to be able to vote which is so culturally by us. That's right like all of the testing. Like even i q and stuff. Yeah yeah that's right. And they would switch would basically designed said that no one could pass them so in this documentary. There's a guy who says that his second and third year law students of today of twenty. I think it was filmed in two thousand. Nineteen of twenty nineteen have sat those quizzes and still couldn't pass them said they would design for people to fail. Yeah yeah that's right. Yep quizzes about the constitution. Mass incarceration from laws that bicycling challenge for the purpose of empowering police to target black men. So things like loitering obeying the straight without heading to a destination obeying -ployed regardless of whether or not you're looking for a job site. This was more sort of in the jim crow era which is a horrendous trump surface yet for the rods in treatment of black americans At the time in some states being incarcerated meant that you were disqualified for inviting full loss so like the whole gel system is meant to be there so that people can repay their debt to society. Yet they said. Oh you've been in jail. That means you no longer have a voice that is important to this. Democracy which is huge. Like that is huge incomprehensible. Yeah that's right like and some of the more recent techniques like requiring ide- but only allowing specific cons of id so you can have a government issued gun law sense you can fight with that but econ present. Government issued university identity. That's not accepted so like they made really specific narrow margins of what kind of identification would basic would-be accepted for you to be able to even to the point of saying your social security is not an acceptable day yet. Yeah like it's horrendous wa yet and this is still happening. This is still happening. They close paul station so people have to travel for them and then undefended the pulse actions. That will left open said that there were few voting machines Alviti machines that just didn't work which meant that people had to stand in line for hours. And i mean like five hours just to cost the avoid so obviously that deterred a lot of people from voting. Of course yeah. Like who wants to send in for five hours on mainly i would but the try to but i'm on why wouldn't like also it's not mandatory copa fine like yes. That's exactly right. America's history of vita suppression is pretty awful and the supreme court had a really pivotal ruling said. The pre supreme court is like the highest court in america and they had a really pivotal ruling on a case code shelby. County vessels up Which basically enable two states to readopt by the suppression techniques within an die of the ruling. Say this was recent. This is very very reason and this is affected the two thousand twenty election how racing walking twenty eighteen onwards so within a day of the ruling texas had passed a voter. Id law that specified that voters could only if they had particular types of id like. I mentioned before. So as i said. A government issued license of a legal. Firearm was fine but a government issued student from the university of texas. Didn't cut it so. Texas is a republican state so it's republicans in power so then putting those kinds of laws in place makes it easy off for their people to vote and full university students who are generally more liberal and all that sort of thing may tend to lay the access to education. Yeah yeah of may tend to lean a bit more to the democrats A kind of excludes them all makes it harder for them to cost him But yet so back in the day they had poll taxes so you had to pay vote so that basically no compulsory actually have to have money yes. They don't have poll taxes. Now that i know they don't yeah that's wild. Yes so in the jim crow era. That's definitely a technique i use. Yeah i didn't know that. Yeah so you could feed your family or you could or ye could buy clothes school supplies. Oh whatever your family or you could fight like it Ruled it out as a viable option for so many people who will love us. I can make which was overwhelmingly the black population They also do and they still do this they all. He was called a package of the electoral vault of the electoral roll. Does not mean. Sorry if you haven't voted for six years. Your name is purged from the role. And you're not notified of that so if you rockoff up like you just was or unilateral you know what on the role yet they send you a postcard to the address that they have registered. And if you don't which was six years ago and if you don't acknowledge that scott and send it back. They assume that you are no longer that address and they po jew from the electoral roll. I owed yes so people were going to vote and waiting in line for hours only to be informed that i went actually registered to vote anymore. Which is so basically fighting in states. That do purges means. It's the only human right that you can lose if you don't use it which is just us. Halley bazaar like imagine that being the case with the second amendment which is the raw say. But can you get back. Let can you get back on it. You can get back on it but you have to go through the process of registering again. But they don't tell you that you've been off it right. Yeah so you just cheer you that you still want. Yeah that's right. So i put imagine if that happened with the second amendment which is the right to bear arms so like you. Yeah you have the right to own a gun. But if you haven't invoked that right you lose it. Can you imagine how many people would be outraged. By that. In america if allow of it and the men icon insane on this episode is brought to you by nourished by nature made the number one pharmacist recommended. Vitamin and supplement. Brand nourish is a personalized vitamin regimen. Customized to you backed by forty five years of science they remove the guesswork from your vitamin regimen with thousands of happy customers nourishes. A trusted supplement brands by many visit. Dot com to create your customized package today. So the guy. She was the guy that stacey was running against. was a republican brian. Kemp and he was the secretary of state that he decided to run for governor and he refused to step down as the secretary of state which was pretty widely regarded as an abusive power so he had all of the power that came with a secretary of state behind him to use in his rice for the governor right yup hey passed legislation which Which was cold. The exact match bill which required voted details including this signature is to be an exact match of information on fall with other government agencies. So like you think about it. It's another buddy suppression tactic because if you signature didn't exactly match the one that they had on file you couldn't fight and really. How often does your signage like my signature. Sometimes it's like a encumbrance Bagel yeah mine belly ever looks to sign. It looks enough this guy. Yeah that was. May i'm still going between my maiden name married nine. Because i haven't fully like gone through the whole change thing so something is one or the other and they kind of look similar. But not quite like yeah. Yeah yes so. You would be disqualified from fighting. Yeah well under this legislation. Isn't that wild like you have people who've coming from other countries from different cultural backgrounds who may have say an asian name and a western name. Yeah i using bot thing going between bite and it's still learning i started. She did the post office. 'cause like i've got medicare and one name lessons in one name a billion another name. I like because i'm super change process. Which is huge. It is a very old that my husband challenged type. So i i really i sat. Oh this when. I couldn't love him anymore. He took my name when we got married. Yeah like it's just it's a law. In yeah i can't imagine economy anjun She would need to reach out to communities at a grassroots level to try and ring gauge groups who had been disenfranchised by the democratic process. Which would have been so. Many people especially given that voting is not compulsory so she went to music festivals. She went to comecon. She went to sporting events she don't knock she went churches temples synagogues anywhere where she could engage with the public especially young people to get them to vote She was endorsed by oprah of yet and oprah. Mama are dan yeah. She gave this speech where she was like. She introduced dicey and she was like. Yeah uh-huh my friends to united states. The room unisys abrahams. And then finally someone said. 'i brooms and she said. Do you have a number. And then yet and she said give it to me. I'm gonna call now. Yeah yeah as you said she called and she said hi. Stacy is like can you imagine gee said stacy's response was just go. I need to pull over to the side of the road. It's still in coby. Hey are you proud. Even i'm going. I would be like no. It's not buckle. Yeah at whatever. Kobe yes right. She was also endorsed. By barack obama and kelly rowland and hates of other celebs and she ran a hugely successful campaign as far as garnering public support guys they had early voting polls and stacy's campaign manager said it became very clear that i had That they were having enormous turn out and it was much bigger than they had projected And it also became clear that the election system like the electoral system was not equipped to handle the influx and there had been some seemingly intentional barriers could implies to make it difficult so all might had undefended. The election said that they were a heap of polling stations that were closed and then combined with others. That's fucking g. Say close abe polling stations. Combine them with other stations but put less machines in the combine stations than they would have been in one station. Sir which of course my the lines. Enormous people wedding in line for hours and hours and hours. They had also been a heard of five hundred and sixty thousand georgians from the electoral roll. So five hundred sixty thousand people would take an off the rawal without a fight from the onto the purging role dislike dodge thing as well we under urging rule right. I would just like you haven't been active enough so you're off out. Wild officials like excessive italy official government georgian officials said that that was mainly people who had likely died or moved away But the data collection for that was ridiculous. Which was that postcard said. They said like they assumed that people had returned the little card that they sent them had moved away. All that had dodd so that just page them. Don't dodge japan. You have huge voter turnouts to an election in a system that is totally unequipped to handle and process all the vice end. Stacey cop full the early poll like in the early polling. And she had cnn and msnbc with her covering it because she was so excited and she wanted to reinforce to everyone that it was so important and when she got there she was approached by She approached the lady sitting at the desk told her name and she looked her up in the system and told her that she can't fight because she had requested absentee ballot and stacy knew that. That wasn't right. Yeah and told her she had been fighting in person in georgia for twenty two years and had never requested an absentee ballot and the lady got her manager and then i figured it out and she was able to cost vote but stacey said in the documentary that it made her nervous for the people who didn't have big tv networks looking of and didn't have the authority or the understanding to that the system big checked and corrected which which is just the everyday person you kinda got off. Okay sorry i didn't realize you and as it turns out. That was a very justified feeling. Sorry election day came around. And stacy had set up a voter protection hotline for people to call if they had any questions or problems with avoidance and she said they with thousands and thousands of kohl's that day a campaign manager said you couldn't swing a bat without hitting fourteen people who had problems with the ballots. Isn't that wild this is. This is the most corrupt share. Like i knew that like american politics is pretty corrupt. With this is bob d- do with legally like that's the thing i like. It was i totally totally. Totally totally say was becoming more and more apparent as the day and the not progressed. That stacy was running a rice in a system. That was broken. She ended up losing that election by about fifty five thousand fights which was about one point five percent which is nothing like nothing An pretty groundbreaking speech. She refused to concede and before everyone goes. Oh trump's doing as different k. Yeah but she instead said that she acknowledged that he was going to win which trump as at the time of recording has not done she said as late up i should be stoic in my outrage and solid in my rebuke but stoicism is a luxury and silence is a weapon for those who would quiet the voices of the people and i will not can say because the erosion of democracy is not right that ed she jazzy of telling you need to watch this you know. She's amazing so the loss she gave herself a bit of time faranoff and then decided to get to work fixing what she saw as a broken system and i mean affiliate i also see that stacey so in two thousand and nineteen. She announced that she was founding fat. Twenty twenty which is a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping the democrats re-engage people who are eligible to vote who either hadn't before all who had become disenfranchised by the system by technically and financially building border protection teams in twenty states so basically her teams got to work on reaching out to people. Three far like phone calls flies all kinds of ways to get people to register. Divide to make sure that they were registered correctly which is huge and they were all about educating people on how the system works and have i can make sure that they have their voice heard. Sorry this brings us to the twenty twenty presidential election. You may have. I heard about it. I mean say stacy lives and works in georgia which is a state that has been won by the republicans for the past thirty years so basically how. Us presidential election works is his little history lesson for you that every state has a certain number of of what is called. Electoral college violates sorry. The people vote whichever party wins. The vice fights in that state gets to contribute the electoral college votes to the candidate so the electrical system itself is huge hugely shock in its origins so when it was first implemented they had discussed they call them the framers when the framers had discussed how best to conduct an election in the us They had discussed the possibility of making the system popular Which is just who have got the most votes from all of the people wins the position of president all whichever position they going for but they have basic basic yet but there were fees that that would result in too much. Democracy is something apparently in the us. There is too much democracy there if you want democracy than you support democracy like. How's that too much. Not temporary to kill us with no beard tequila. Jesse said this was a time when the only people were allowed to vote as before were what male property owners so too much. Democracy was a threat to the obviously want rich white men to in other rich white men. And it'll be good in the well women and by alcan. Yeah yeah. I'm glad you're on the same page To basically back in the day when it was devised the populations in the north and the south of the us were equal great. You them right okay. Sure one third of the population in the south west lives so not talked not shocking to me at all. yeah so obviously. Slaves were not allowed to write but that was saying as a problem for the southern states. Because it meant that. The voting population was less ryan So that was saying to be as a problem for the southern white. Slave owners said fix problem rather than saying. Hey yeah let's let the entire population virat. What a novel concept they said. Well we'll come to a compromise and give the southern colleges a three fifths advantage so basically they got an extra three fifths of power pervert essentially as a reward for keeping slaves so that their votes would count for less than than northern counterparts. So basically this saying like your collection of slaves counts for three fifths of a person and you vote on behalf of them. Yeah i wish people could see your face right. Nancy speak you soothing. Yep yeah yea i'm. It's it's horrendous. i'm an extrovert. I'm genuine nevertheless but yeah can wash yet and this is still the system that is implies actually might say feel physically yup so that tell the college votes which dispersed so. It's not like you get a like. Each state gets a certain number of rights depending per hundred thousand people or whatever It's super updated. It's very racist and has resulted in several presidents winning office when they actually lost the popular vite like donald trump in two thousand and sixteen. Who lost the popular vite by nearly three million bites us. Just let that settle in for a sec. Yep myron assange for the resonated we can keep going. Yeah us move up. We've married added in that anyway. Stacy knew that there was potential to flip georgia from the republicans to the democrats and what she was right so she and her tame managed to help eight hundred thousand people enroll to vote who had never voted before just in the state of your job. Claps way love that. Yeah yeah eight hundred thousand so as a result and a lot of people say that it was a direct result of her work that the democrats won the state of georgia which basically sealed the deal for joe biden and kamala harris so basically wow stacey. Ibm's work won the state of georgia which won the election for the democrats. Can we slow up again. This sony cyclist is facing yet. Having said that at the time of recording georgia hasn't officially being cold for the dairy and there's a lot lego grenade trump having a tantrum l. Okay sorry this woman. Her just rolled up a slaves and got to work when so many others would have walked away feeling dejected. About losing a system that seems to be stacked against them basically became the mvp pay for the democrats and is now widely regarded as one of the most powerful people in the whole potty the whole body just because she went. Yep i lost but there's work to do so let's just do it. And then she affected sorry much change like sorry much much. Soy aw thirty years thirty years georgia had gone to the republicans and she flipped massive. But she's not done yet. She's now setting sought biden. Has well i mean not officially. But he's declared victory of the two thousand twenty election And now she's sitting has sought making sure people vote in the runoff elections in georgia in january so basically because no other republican senators in georgia won a majority on the election night. Another election has to take place in january that is just between the two candidates in h rice who got the highest number of votes. So it's kind of like a Can fly challenge in survive. My how they fight for like they virus to leave. And then if it's a tie the two people who buys votes have to go to a fine job that but in an election day so has to go back to the paul and choose between only the two candidates and in george's case it's a republican and a democrat candidate in both cases like they still have independence and a few other minority parties. But it's neither of those so that means if the democrats can win the runoffs the democrats will have control of the senate because the seats in the senate will be a fifty fifty split and if the seats in the senate are fifty fifty split the ending a lot my brain. I try to stay with me. Stay with me. So if the states in the senate are a fifty fifty split between the democrats and the republicans me deciding vote on any legislation that they are trying to poss- will come down to the one. The iron lay kamala harris. Here we love we love love so that is huge for a sitting president to have control of the senate because it basically maintain just get more done so obviously people don't have to fight with their potty but they usually do so obama was a democrat but he had a republican controlled senate which is and like and he is often criticized for not getting much. Done i mean except for obamacare. Which is like america's version of al medicare university is not being reverse since trump yet has or he's put extra restrictions in place on and that sort of thing. was up against a republican senate who basically had the power to block him whenever they wanted which is a big d like having a minority government. He'll like three. Yes that's right that's right. Which is a big deal for when you Trying to position yourself politically to share the people. What you've done while you've been in office if that hasn't been much because you haven't been allowed to pass bunch like that makes it difficult so stacy's working why at that at the moment which we will know more about how successful. She's been in january when they hold those elections in georgia. And as if all of that isn't enough. She is also a new york times. Best selling author. She has written eight romance under the pen. Name of selena montgomery. I'm brian snowballs. I did not see that coming. She's a multifaceted woman. Like those in theory. I think i think there's a bit of k. Yeah yeah oh and low. yeah totally. So she's a talented varada. I mean she does. She has done some Speechwriting in her early career so it doesn't surprise me that she's quite a talented rauch like mills and boon like. Yeah i always say like get into politics too. Many lick new out there wrong was. She writes about the news rather than spending sending them. Your guy gets around. I probably still get into politics. So that is the story of the fa meetable force. That is stacey. Abrams and we are so here for it. My god you have to watch this document. I'm going to my. I'm probably gonna ask our good. What tonight. I mean yet. It's only nine fifty but really it's only eight fifty. So that's right it's along and ahead you can tell by. Queensland is because we we do research really yeah the real time for people who pretend one time is is now only. That's right so thank you for letting me geic out in my and i can't wait for moore amid. Yeah i cannot wait for more american politics. Come my way because i feel smart we sleeve. Well i mean. I feel like kamla. Obviously we need to touch on kamla. But i feel like we can probably save her. Four inauguration too. Oh yeah oh not gonna nine with her on a yes on. Act that no one else again. The way just. Let's see what happens. Let's say what eventuates maybe maybe all-gay cow on politics Stuff it directly. I took him my language leading. You had took my boys. But i want to exclusively do politicians haven't like i think i've been pretty devas. I saw but you've been more diverse than just black spins over weight people by paypal yet. Repay look yeah. I relate so yeah sam i am. 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After Show: 50th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots & social classes in the queer community

The Gays Are Revolting

35:03 min | 4 months ago

After Show: 50th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots & social classes in the queer community

"Hey i'm megan and if you like running than you definitely need to check out. She runs ultras. It documents my journey from zero to one hundred miles in under twenty four hours. Well at least. That's the plan. Anyway i'm going to share. What really happens. When a typical non-professional runner takes on the challenge of completing an ultra marathon. So whether you're already part of the ultra community or if you're just ultra curious. Listen to she runs. Ultras on apple podcasts or spotify this is a lib media podcast. We acknowledge the traditional land on which we are recording. We pay respect to elders past and present and the aboriginal elders of other communities. Who may be listening today. So welcome to the off to show. Thanks so much for Coughing up you money. We have to get through in this episode. So we'll get right into it as we mentioned in the main episode. Eat ease The fiftieth anniversary of the will riots. Which really is what spot i mean. Obviously there was activists working before the rides really what started on the momentum going on the layout meteorites around the world yep very exciting news is that the city of new york has an they will be erecting statue in greenwich village. Western walls in the civil rights happened to annemasse johnson mashpee johnson sylvia rivera to what we would now trans activists who who were very instrumental in that. Tiny unsung hero. Exactly yeah maybe a little bit of a recap aug i derek barry. People guy just told me now obviously the was a time of a lot of social change around the world and for black rights and what was at the time called gay rights but we would now probably call algebra and one of the epicenters have all. These movements was new york city. Obviously because of the population and just sort of the social makeup of the city a lot of people that sort of felt like they were outcasts gravitated towards cities like new york and l. a. And and i guess on a small scale here in australia today so yeah the civil rights sort of combination of a lot of tension that was running amongst community in new york at the time and there was a lot of basel that was legal to be guy. At the time there was that the guys would hang out in the audio community would hang out at stein. More was one of the well known ones in connection with the mafia at the time to kind of protected them. Yes they got tipoffs. It was run by the mafia soon and get tip-offs from cops when it was going to be a right and so they would run out and everyone will do run. Hide or whatever this one particular. There wasn't a tip off and that's what started the rights lasted Three nights looks violence and and really golden is the community. I guess and then a year later was the first avenue. Your pride parade and festival mardi gras was a show solidarity which tune into our own right and protests and arrests and things here so that was ninety. Six nine was the first one again. The first sydney one in seventy eight. Which of course is supposed to be a peaceful protests Which the cops rated as we've discussed in turn into a violent situation as well. Yeah what happened in stone really set off a lot of movements around the world and we are lot people and the people that were there. Were the outcast. Poor people a lotta people. College kids have been kicked out of highmore. Whatever for for being gay or lesbian or transient. When i said what we would now call trans. I don't wanna take anything away. From masha. pay. Johnson will sylvia rivera turn trends. Ultra and transsexual wasn't really colloquially us at all in fact both of these women started a cold the street transvestite action revolutionaries which on trans-youth themselves using the term translate. Don't wanna take anything away from the fact that transit if they were alive today most likely identifies trans. Just that's not attend. That was yes at the time. Saying the pe- in her name was referenced to pay it no mind yes just pay it no mind just acquaintances and i. I do think it was a product of that time because so many conflicting reports and visit a need for some definitive history around this event. Because it's been so instrumental in on rights and history but the truth of the matter is just big time some things. Yes she famously Apparently was arrested an estimated hundred times. Oh six work and apparently one of the times in court. The judge asked what the pay stands for. Orange said patna mind yeah chocolate and let her off with science because he He found coming. But i feel like now. We're we're very quick to sort of separate the different lettuce and sort of all. This person was one of us. Well this person was one of us and at the time. It wasn't really that big a thing because people were just genuinely just trying to look at each other fought together to do what they could do. We went in segregated. And i feel like it's a shame that now we try and sort of argue who's got it worse or who's what for who and that sort of thing i think it ties into the class discussion. We maybe in the las bonus episode. Actually i think a lotta class divides didn't exist back then because the community. Yeah there was no space for. Everybody was sort of impressed equally in a sense. Yeah kind of just throw it into that. One bag of queer freaks. Whatever room for us to divide amongst ranks at that stage so in some ways it ties into lhasa officer. Because the more i think about it's like this is kind of an evolution of human social structure anyway. Is that as we gain more space around us as a community. Unfortunately downside of that is that divides to emerge and even within just g. There's so many genera of game of like controversy about who threw the first break and that sort of thing Mashes on story was that she arrived to. Im after the riots and started. It's generally agreed that. The fight itself started from a butch liz self identifying butch lesbian dragon king. Who was at the bar who threw the first punch. Masha bricks for. This is actually fucking amazing. Climbed as straight land and drum bag of bricks onto screen of the latest car which is fucking incredible done with the gorgeous flowers. Amazing things but you can definitely say that she was instrumental in. Starting the movement that dotted the simul riots. Along with sylvia rivera sylvia had had marched with the black panthers instrumental in back rights movement in the state's leading up to the rights movement. And as i said by them Started star to help homeless trans youth activists in every sense of the word but also kind into that from a place of experience. I mean these sort of think now sort of activists being so that the rich people giving people. These are people that lived on the streets. That sex work out of necessity in fact the term used with survival six so six full necessarily always money not because it was a choice of becoming a six book it was having to have sex for either someone to stay the night all four enough cash to buy whatever it was choice of becoming a six book and faced a lifetime of discrimination. Not only because of of being non binary but also because the color of his skin And being outspoken person a right up until her death end including death as well in. I think it was nineteen ninety-two Was found out a couple of days to pride parade floating in the hudson river and was quickly written off by the places. The suicide and a lot of close friends was saying well. She wasn't suicidal issues. Like she had a rough life and those differently Episodes especially when presenting physically as a man without makeup and whatever would have the sort of very stressful periods of of aggravation stuff that was never suicidal and it took some time but activists had her case reopened. Because they said well hinchey. She had a lacerations on the back of their head. People saw her being picked on by these cool against that would mean going around bashing people in enrolling. She'd off them and that was the thing. Why are we seeing. This was a suicide so even then it was just sort of write it off as suicide and figured out. So i think that the statue to commemorate these. Two amazing people is amazing. Amazing that the new york police department of just apologize to spend the name in like a national one. Yeah i gave history national monument. Not sure bedtime. Yeah he he definitely made it a part of the cold. The monuments and parks pummeling states but made it a A national monument. Yeah because of its. It's still running. In or a monument you can go. No it's still it's still. Yeah people bobby. It's not just like museum. Use like a from wrong. There is already a statue commemorating the riots. Is that correct. But it's like a nonspecific person. Actually the might of someone sitting in Park bench solidarity with police. Like the thing. That's really important to me about them. Adding this new statue is that depicting people of color because As far as i remember that is sort of a monument there or some tribute statue. But it's of some nondescript white people i do know it's the first him in that erupted in the world of a transgender person in memory of a real. Maybe that's what you were thinking of. Yeah like we've talked about before it's really important for us. History and fifty years is not that long of a period of time. Sadly not a lot of people that know these names. You know the severity of that. We really that should be the first name that pop into our mind when we start talking about our rights and that sort of thing and so if in fifty years that people have been able to get imagine we need to be building stitches and we need to be talking about these away because unfortunately our system's going to do it and i've talked about our community is one of the few communities in the world. You don't learn you history for parents. You need to go out and find your history and you need to learn it from you. A queer our and talk to people baas and raid their stories blessed. I just realized this is probably going to be the first generation of gay parents mainstream generation of children that will pass on. It will be puzzling sexuality. Kids book the day. The kid is explaining marriage and stuff. It was the sweetest book. I was like anybody just for like a kid. Did you should or we got an outside the lines but yeah yes so yes we will have parents but again it's you'll feel ulan ude philippine history your filipino. Because it's passed on generation high up. My parents wanted if my parents were. I probably wouldn't be june and we inherit and we need to go out and find this information and because at schools teaching information we need to have otherwise teaching it to young eligibility. I'd like very said these mistakes don't happen again so that we become complacent and we don't have straight pride respect laws and we see yeah right because there were people that genuinely their lives on the line who already. We're not coming from advantage place. So did anyone say Stomach movie guard. Didn't i didn't say it. Because i saw copped a lot. Of flack for whitewashing story. And you know. I don't want to speak about at length. Seven seen it But the reports. I've heard is we are also getting versions of the story that had diluted. That's another thing that we need to be. Mindful of is that they were ru people in the events. Because i know it's very easy to just go out and watch a movie or like what something on youtube for example for the counts. That is a story about a whites. Sis gay man. Man at stonewall doesn't fully incorporates the culture or the struggles of others within our community. The countering that the paris is burning is a film that does yes and not very populous side of gay coacher. Something that's not widely discussed or soda shed amongst dot community which is yet that s- very low income almost poll black trans and non binary community. Yeah i just think it's a shame that film exists without any of those being part of it. We're talking about conspiracy theories in the main episode tonight. There is one around these night. People believe and i will be honest. Believed for a long time because it's such a nice story the did you seven reporting. There was like wait a lot. A lot of people genuinely believe this. And i heard it when i was eighteen and i during the was how it sounded as well so judy garland's funeral was happening in the same time under story goes that All of the people from judy's funeral win to the stonewall riots and that's how it started and even the theory sometimes extends to that's how they re flags dotted because rainbows because of somewhere over the rainbow from Always devos story. Yeah it was referencing. Ripples on it's a very lovely story it's true that judy's same time in europe but it's been pointed that was on. The upper spoke very like factually about and this is what happened. I it's that was happening on the side. That would have been very regionally. Yes they would have been quite a few gay people at jazz funeral and perhaps some of them decided to go down tunes. Mole in greenwich village. Afterwards and s- maybe some of them were there but by no means all the majority and when the riot started the wealthy elites would have been the first to run. Because i i look more to lose than these poor kids that were hand for someone wolman to stay but again. That's sort of a nice whitewashing story that you can tell to give you a nice little hollywood. What happened at getting to a point where history is going to get modernized in like washington and dumbed down so reminders like the statue for example Sort of permanent fixtures in our culture now community that the lack of a better word cements mahjoubi joe's as opposing. The do this do we know where they're gonna put it. Did you say we're having attached to it yet. They promised the money and then they're looking for the exact location artists. That's going to be doing it but it will be in and while we're on the topic everyone look up the tasty rights. I think it would be nice to have some sort of not on the same scale. Maybe not such whatever but something commemorating the tasty rights and happened in. Melvin because we we had much smaller population that time and didn't have our version of mighty growl or Stein mole exactly but the tasty raids was a turning point four hour. I like Yeah it was and this. Isn't that long ago. This was in the nineties. It was right about the place looked at those ten. Lots on cue up strip search everyone without warrants when this is only in the nineties we even you alive. What ninety four yes. That's a reason this isn't about And then dozens and dozens of people were arrested for possession of small amounts of drugs and whatever they know what to do with the drag queens so they like ours you know with the the mayo place of his famous officers should be strip searching them so they made them like look look them up in like the drag dressing room or something like that but at least it has to consider it that they were like the reason. It was down in the way. It was handled discussing tomato. What came out of that is very brave. People taking the dettori police to call it and then a full investigation into the entire thing. An overhaul and revamp of how the victoria police deals with. The community eventually led to them matching pride and that sort of thing. You know obviously had some positives that came out of it but we need to remember why and how positives came in what he had to go through for us to get what we have now. Well that's pro after show. Thanks for listening. Thank you very much patrons. Aren't as ice patriot. People listen to thanks for doing whoever you As we sit in the because we're following as we sit in the main episode we don't have any episodes main of coming up. Yes two weeks but we will still have a patron of sites saturday. Vote and then everyone log in and check out while we might be on some other podcasts. Until then by we'll welcome to how i ever after of the gays are revolting. Thanks so much for coming up the money and wealth for being out at all the money that you are. Pledging really does help. The shower helped us sort of progress. The down the track people live show transport Online ordering. I live on this outside people. I know when i went to very difficult to forty uber ride so it does help a lot and also stuff that we yeah you. You genuinely taking my adhd medication. We can get back on his really happen ahead. everybody wins anyway. We started sort of talking about this at the end of the last episode. But just sort of recap. I went on to talk about class in the gay community Brought out j. t. community as well but experiences in the gay community and i wanna start. Let's just put it at. The sydney guys cost if anyone missed it. It is a podcast by Fisher and we'll sabin look i. I think the being torn apart enough on social media shot. Basically what happened is sort of build it as being a podcast for the community and the feeling the same to have was that it was a podcast for in a city. Sydney wealthy muscley wipes it was. It wasn't yeah. I don't want to pick up out there on the show now but basically did sort of highlight sort of a class difference in a lot of people. Talk did training around tweet. We were talking about whether or not we should talk about it because we don't have a go at them. Was you know one of the biggest conversations in the in the space. So i think it's worth mentioning but on a broad spectrum. Do you feel that there is still class divides we all live in melbourne. What about melvin. Do you see that happen definitely. Yeah def yeah. Class war going on every day for multiple different parts of our community and i think one of the things people lack about our show and the has seen us get a lot of praise is that we can't escape that classism in a lot of the topics not fried to address. That comes into play. You know we talked about the differences between the lettuce alphabet. Jeez in the basin the classified as is the class divide between the different variations the community. I mean we're so lucky to be. I mean there's privilege that comes with data yes it might be being a game i o but then the struggles that at a young trans person is going through statistically a lot worse than guy definitely. We live in a country where we're told almost constantly by not only the media but the general consensus that no these issues don't exist Society because we are the plenty. And i appreciate the opportunities afforded to me. I love but it's so hard sometimes to reconcile the message that you get on a daily basis from the in public to how you feel inside being a double minority. Hope triple minority. You go shit literally exists just z. Everyday life these gay apocalypse. Is that happening. Things like the poof drama and sydney gays podcasts. Unfortunately whenever they come up you go. Suddenly this thing that i feel on a daily basis is on a macro level in everybody's saying it and it highlights the it exists on a day to day basis. But just not in these huge bursts and when they do it's very apparent to everyone but there are these quieter clause that happened. I mean when you're talking about the melbourne as an example and just the northside southside very much. It's true the us house like that's one of the best questions. When someone's moving to melbourne they know side friends will be trying to be like. Oh yeah this house. Hide queens will be saying well. Don't move no side. You know there absolutely. I think it's something that have every single simply. Tell me that. I've experienced because i've lived south and all and when i live south i would just all your very null side and i moved to the north of here. Okay now they will need to be trying to do not think of ourselves as being part of a different yes. There is a huge except there is a noticeable difference between roy. Fine and that difference might be the venues. We have various different venues. The the fashion style around april declined to kind of drag shows very noticeable. The kind of restaurants that we have in the past. It's very noticeable. Difference of what he's popular on the north side. What his mom's house side of melwood for those people have no idea what we're talking about. There was a river that runs through email. You'll from one all the other side rowing's king. I just can't wait to see cloud. Flying dragon meet straightened. Roy seeks seasick. Appeal stubbing by. Maybe that's what we need to do is to sort of stop thinking. I'm better than them. Because i'm part of this one just sort of going. Yeah this thing. That's the thing living on the south side. I've noticed a lot of rich gay kids. I grew up not coming from like exceptional wealth. Or anything. And i have definitely more so in melbourne coming from brisbane. I didn't really know anyone like that. There's a definite group of people in melvin and they come from all these like really posh families yeah. I can't hope to get bitter about. Sometimes like they had everything handed to them. Like all the uni education's the haven't really had to work to work uni yeah. They claim that it's a little bit. I worked for this mercedes-benz that i just bought. Yeah but it is frustrating. At times. And i do notice that they are quite clicky. Not all of them for sure. I do see a lot of people in. They kind of just stick with their own kind absolutely to try and break into a group like that. I mean if that's what you'd want to do but Yeah it can be difficult to kind of a mix it up and part of the problem. I mean not. None of the four of us are wealthy people compared to the people. We're talking about more money than other people but we're not know need that kind of wealth up One of the important things remember is actually on all that bad a few of mine that i have on the they don't wanna stereotype outside guys While off but those people are also in my world. There's always make sure that they buy a ticket for a show that i'm putting on. Yeah so that if they're out with friends that don't have as much money without being sort of condescending. They will buy some drinks doesn't if they're putting on a little make sure that they're putting on the food and the drinks expecting people to come up with people but i do it. You're saying and i guess it's sort of the people that want make friends with people. You don't have money with certain type. I think there's a difference between having money and then creating a class divide by using because there are a lot of people that have money that you would never know that they were financially well off and i think the issue that we're having with these gaps and divides between the different pots of community and the problematic people that were discussing moment other ones where it's immediately apparent. How much money have because they've made you talk about how much money you have. That was something that. I felt the very first time that i went to the msn and has been the only time that i've ever been to the msn. Is you really exciting. The going that was something very apparent. We walked in the room. Josh last couple of good friends north northside is and we made a point to make sure we looked the part because we were just going to the msn. A friend's birthday. Let's make sure that we look incredible. And we fucking did and it was great. Do you can feel the divide the most often because they definitely have say but just for people the msn popular. Sunday afternoon evening. Melvin also you know you've got your wonderful like and there as well and Okay i i don't know what their financial situation. They're very good people and they have out of that venue just putting up that instant. all of. that's my rich kids go. Yeah it doesn't do any good to sort of segregate us further and that does bring us back a little bit to sydney guys podcast again. I don't want to tear into them. That first episode. Let's be honest shit. We talked about it. Maybe if it had been billed as here's a for paper that they are then that would be good. Yeah we have made no pretense on apple to try and talk on behalf of other people in the full game. We're for gay people. I just think it's late. Don't try and speaking of the papers behalf. I think the problem was that they build it as speak on behalf of the whole community and and definitely didn't guess it wasn't a good podcast and got a huge backlash but then i saw these other sort of loss divide of perhaps the intellectuals of all what we would call the no side going for them on twitter to the point where i would train on twitter and that was almost a class thing as well as being like. Oh it's almost like a wac class. I don't think that helps in any way okay. They deserve to be sort of told yet that. Step aside she side note. I'm very interested after the response. Because i had prerecorded several episodes yet them the being back and re recorded until advisor. That's a really really impressive. But yeah the backlash to it also felt classy as well and i sort of felt like we were making that divide even begun yet not occupy. I'm never if we're talking about not talking. On behalf of other people at i know a lot of the backlash towards them out so they should have just billed as a comedy. Podcast that would have been fired Was coming from people of color Which totally fair enough yet. Which is totally fair for them to go to town on that. Show and people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds of course. They're gonna feel ostracized by that. Yeah when you feel that kind of ostracization on a daily basis and you have no confirmation of it to be able to go. No look at this. this is it. it's over here. They roll sort of communicated to vie microaggressions feelings. Like makki at the baa is like you felt. It was not a diverse thing but the energy that you feel off about. Yeah so i i can relate to win something. Tangibly is then in front of us that we can point to and go. This is the thing that makes us feel nassir part of the community slightly. Yeah i think that's why we saw that backlashes begins People felt that why they felt. Like why do these guys think that they know they could have this saying get it out. Yeah yeah. I just didn't feel like once was two days. It's i'm not saying that these people didn't have a right to say the supplemental saying just sort of tweets like these. Podcasts gave me a bola this podcast gaping my first. Td health i saw genuinely people giving constructive feedback and i thought that was built people right you know. It was very refreshing to see that not. Everyone was going in and just like on the hadrian. Some people actually did look you. You miss the mark. It wasn't good. But where do we go from here. This is how you can fix it. And i think they have taken some that on board. They've cut out the jingle at the beginning and they've got a lot of people's attention now it's up to them what they do with it. Yeah yeah some people just want to read to. You just want to jump on several tweets that i drafted never posted. What is it going to help at the is going to help you. If it's just a nasty funny thing that you want to be the first person to say about it. I get that you want event maybe sending a dam to somebody damsel going crazy but when it comes to the show the sydney podcasts. I always think if you've got nothing nice to say. Don't say anything. So i have nothing to your comment but then sort of look at the size of classes while. I'm maybe something that four of us benefit from an australia is geographical class. I'm sure that there are definitely gay. People just generally people in rural areas that sort of look at us leaving in fitzroy and elston and going. Oh why can. Why wouldn't you think about nelson. Thank god you're probably listening to us. Having this conversation going to be about what side of a river you leave on where i live must be to try and get home before. It's dark because it's not safe for me to be out of now to me. I'd say there is. We're very privileged also to be geographically located where we are scarier for us in rural. Yes yeah people live in countries where what we do is illegal and they would. We go out of strength. Yeah so for me when it comes to the class. Differences and the divides between us is to always reflect in woods. Man no way you stand in the world and in the community in a broad sense wet is your privilege. Put you and you have to take into account. Things may not appear to be a privilege to you like the color of your skin your example. Because it's just something you were born with. You have to take stock of all of those things. I honestly think on a daily basis and put that in comparison to where you are to the other members of the community close to you and then on the largest scale because we're global weld now. Yes with an accent remains we no longer just have to worry about what is happening Next door to osorno suburb. We have to worry about what's happening to our communities on a global scale and then take that knowledge and filter your reactions and your actions through it. i feel and so whenever i'm here recording or whenever engaging in a conversation with someone. I need to take stock of the fact that i get to live in australia. I've had a somewhat decent education. And i'm you i have a roof over my head could simple. Yeah health care. I don't wanna put any words in your mouth as person my job to decide what's racist and what's not racist. I am very happy to learn that from other people. But i imagine touchy so touched on race. There must be difficult for people of color on. The gay scene is representation on a micro level rather than we know very aware of the macro level in hollywood films. Talk shows on us. Present is all that sort of. But also i mean if i look at it posted for a club promoting a special night. Chances are the muslim guy on that post is going to be why to address whilst we have some amazing queens of color coming through generally speaking that they are going to be so the physical itself i imagine for you guys that there's probably that hanging over is that with me. I mean just going into a gay club like knowing that what people right on apps like agents whatever else you like walking into a crowd of wipe wondering who out of you all do. I have to avoid or who have you old. Am i approaching that. I'm going to get this backlash off of you. Like all publications of any sort of gay event not all like majority it is white men like. That's what you say like you don't see biracial people but in saying that as well like being biracial present you sort of need to check your privilege at the same level everybody does. Yeah regardless i mean. I mean the argument that trans men have it easier than trans women. You know piss. Everyone needs to be just looking and saying how. 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Sherry Pie and Melbourne Queer Film Festival

The Gays Are Revolting

1:00:28 hr | 1 year ago

Sherry Pie and Melbourne Queer Film Festival

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Let's get the show rolling okay. So it's been hard to to miss this story when I was Kinda happening. I go to quite a lot of messages because it seems like the perfect story for my ven diagram of interests. If you don't know where this is going it involves a little bit of repose drag race a bit of Nancy during on the Internet Hot Fishing. We just want your favorite favorite things and Cancel culture I guess as well so it was like a myriad of interests of mine So I'm excited to dig into a little back backgrounds felicitous it may not be up to speed on it riposte. Dry-season twelve started two weeks ago. It was actually a few days before episode to. They've done yet spoiler as well. We're going to talk about the last two episodes some. Maybe some reddit stuff. Prior to the second episode of Split The contestants into two groups twenty five year old Fulmar actor or current actor made a statement online spelling out some questionable behavior that a transpired between him and the contestant Cherry Pie back in two thousand fifteen years Which actually when you say. Isn't that non? How long ago? No yeah now. The allegations basically to give a really broad summary of it was that Bennett actually dated the housemates of Sherry Pie. And Basically Sherry head. Put Him in contact with Allison Mossy. Who was working costing for prestigious. Playwright allegedly allegedly working. Is the y'all wanted to this story in? New York City and had said this is really great opportunity for you. He mainly got a lot of email responses from this alison with scripts for a upcoming production called bulk which was about steroids and mainly it seems how they make you smell bad. It was really quite a strangely sexual script and in the industry you do do it a lot. I said Fuck with act is a bit and they would get these sorts of things where it's just like you literally mean you fucking actors not you would also playing these cat fishing. Yeah dated chosen in Dayton actors and often get these requests so it doesn't actually seem that out along To get a mess saying hey get in front of the camera raid this out. The content of the script. Slow will mainly Sexual in about bulking up putting away using steroids stopping using deodorant seemed to be a recurring theme threat these videos. It got to the point where Ben had to decide whether to move to New York City which meant ending his studies. It was a it was a big decision. Communication had gone cold with Allison Mossy and so he decided to call this company in New York City where they said we don't know that post exists that don't exist you've been fished and he immediately connected. The DOTS knew who would put him in contact him. It's like this is Sherry Sherry. Has these videos need to say something I would say within forty eight hours about six? Other men have come out with very similar stories of varying degrees of of of discomfort and and aggressive aggression inappropriateness So all the way from some stories being like I sent a couple of videos. I knew stopped all the way to other actors. Getting sort of I wouldn't say bullied but LADD and coerced into performing sexual acts on camera. Because what the original guy that came out with the statement said that Sherry was actually helping him with some of the filming up some of the dialogue that they were going and was actually physically there when he was masturbating. Yeah has footage of all of that as well. The premeditated elements of this is that he used the Allison Mossy character or persona to insert himself as Joey into these people's lives so alison would alison quote unquote would say. Hey you should spend more time with Joey. Joey will coach you through the saints. And so that way he sort of ingrained himself into the whole process which to me shows a level of and full of around this Now the that is obviously this is a pretty horrific thing to do To numerous people over a span of years and the online community was not particularly pleased about it. Keeping him on this episode hadn't even Fdr it was literally the day before. And Ed this came out. Yes Oh Sherrie had not had a single second of screen time as of yet it got to the day before the episode's wave. We h one the network the now screens a drag race in America released a statement. It was around the same time Sherry released her own apology on facebook saying that they had disqualified. Yes whatever that thing in the finale big drag fans can you explain how the filming works? And how the filming of the finale wicks in the time time why? It's possible to exclude her from the finale. But not from the actual series. See this is a big discourse online because a lot of people have said well. You've acknowledged that Shari's of yes and you don't want to condone one. Edit her out of the show or cut her out of the show now the reality is this drag race films like six to eight months in advance. This stuff is in the can and not only is it filmed. It's completely edited post. It is ready to go ready to go and the amount of work to actually go back in and open it up at day before it's a network. It's it's it's it's done but the filming of the finale happens just before it is we have from that yes or the finales generally filmed off the season as live. You Know Ed live. But it's why they can adjust that now the difficulty and I think where the conversation is getting into some ethical and moral grounds the Israeli sort of important. I think to explore is the. This is Nancy drew read. Spoilers is that Sherry is actually one of the top four so She never lip syncs. Just going to put that out in this whole season. There's no opportunity for them to do A. We'd cut yet in voice over to say. Hey Sheri's golden home remover. She doesn't get in that position. And as we all know anyone who's watched drag race if you make it to the top four you generally have a pretty positive edit. Yeah they very good at making someone could look is in respect to that part of the whole story. I rarely say something good about repulsed trag rice but I think that the responses being quite good tall. Yeah I mean. They've they've listened to what people are saying and they've decided that it's not okay for that person to be in a position to potentially win the show. There's another element to it. Which is what about all the other coins in this season and they with reality. Tv shows there's a lot of personal time and money into the show from all the other queens and for a lot of them. So if there's a group challenge you eliminate share you're GONNA have to eliminate a lot of the the footage of all of those and also a lot of the show is about how they interact with each other. I dare say they probably will go in. Even though they're saying they're gonNA eras I guess I'd probably go in and take out some of her sub stories. And just replace that with MOE footage of Michelle visage holier than their whatever the fuck. I haven't the candidates that can easily slipping but I think the way that they've gone about it as being really good this out of respect for the other Queens We will The show with her in it. But we are eliminating from the finale. Because we don't WANNA encourage behavior. I think the gray area with that and and I fully understand that and the the aspect that I hadn't thought to spending more time online as they were designed is involved in people people that have put that creative wearing other people design and the designer of all of her outfits. Poop overstatement being like. I'm so sad I can't use any of my work because it is attached to her. Then people coming forward and being like look obviously. Don't use any of that but we still love everything else you do designed for all the other queens like keep doing that like we'll still support you like it's all good but It's a very down. That's like a sort of casualty designers. A casualty on this the other thing that is important to keep in mind is so far episode to VH1 did display a sort of warning. Really which I thought was very responsible. Yes get them to do whether that sticks around for each episode. I think it should I hope they do. I'm uncertain as to whether it will because the negative and just to play devil's advocate. It's not necessarily my opinion. The the other side to this is if you give a platform to someone who is not a very nice person. We have the assumption that everyone knows this and has read the back story or whatever the truth is it might actually be minority of community. That does I'm will say this person doing well. On television. Show and think this person's great Really Championed Them. Unfold in love with that creative outlet and you end up in a sort of we'd Bryan singer Roman Polanski where people have a positive connotation yeah to people that have some really negative behaviors. We can assume that everyone watching the shirt has the full buffet of information than we do. And so therefore we end up in a really grey area. Where a we actually just letting people that aren't involved in the online drag race community fallen love. 'cause with these with this person beginning is very good at that. They're very good at editing. A positive narrative for a contestant if they want you to really think highly awesome and if this person makes it to top four. They've absolutely done that year for sheriff down. I was listening to the drag Queen. Manek's change have a podcast called sibling rivalry and that was sort weighing in on the situation. But what they were talking about was last year in the New York scene. Sort of like November ish. There were rumors and allegations going around that some other gay guy had come forward saying she's been cat fishing me. Let the allegations going around just in the New York Sane. And at that time Bob. The dry crane was running. A few different nights and Sherry was the head of those nights so pulled her aside and it was just like. Hey look these are the allegations. Unfortunately I'm just going to have to let you go icon. Associate myself with this stuff if they are true. I don't know but if it does come to light this is a real thing than sorry we have you on and they were saying like thank God we did that. Thank God we took the side of the person that was coming in being like. No this is what's happened. Yes it's also poses the question about the background check. That's been done because very hard thing recusing of that but you know the these victims of these. These crime have not want to speak about it publicly before and completely understand. Why so. That information wasn't really fairly available to the producers of the show. Yeah to find out when something like that happens. Like of course. You're going to be humiliated. I the NFL. Obey their videos out there that could surface things and these people that want to work in an industry that is very sensitive to have taken in the night before. Or whatever is your name Tani's because you've done something that's saved by paper to be sloppy or whatever so I it's kind of yeah. I have people accusing the producers of not doing enough background checking. But where was that information for them to find? Let's I'm just saying that's sort of like what we're supposed to happen on the drag saying. Yeah it has nothing to do with the physical drag saints people in Kost and do and because that's where their scouting the people and there were a few queens of questionable merit this season. I'm just going to say that from what I've seen online. A lot of these stories were well-known. Yeah Common Knowledge Maya and there's a really telling the coins do the build series interview before series at introduce them all. And there's a really telling you and it's a cutting cutting A. Yeah where Shari Pie walks out and the first turns around and looks at the camera and gives an Iro yes. He knows the tation. She'll come out and twitter. She's like give me do whatever I. Yeah the tea was known. Yeah and so I think there is a level of diligence there just in terms of the platform that they have within our community On a similar hands to coins of May transphobic comments on their own social media prior to disturbing films. You should've been feted. At least you know if if you're in a perfect world. Stir WANNA cost him. Get Him to remove the fact that it still shows that. I've had friends lose jobs because of things that posted on social media. Why did you see look? I've talked about this before and this is my face race in the end stuff but what I find really fascinating about this whole thing is. You're willing to cancel these because of that. You willing to cancel all the coins because of their transfer comments if you ask me rupel specifically said that he does not. Count Trans People doing drag as drag. He's also doesn't catch these women is doing drag in the live. Melvin recording. I personally that I can't watch anymore of this show to me. It's up to get back to the dame edna seeing Dame Edna was my icon. It's wide do comedy. When he made those transphobic comments I couldn't inaugurate consciousness support or enjoy what he does anymore. Because I can't encourage that kind of stuff and I find it really interesting. I'm not having to go you personally. Look but Just as somebody in the guy saying and reading all these stuff on facebook and have it all the articles I have. No what's the because I said I'm not going to support the show anymore unless there's a specific episode that I need to watch to talk about on this podcast. I don't feel I needed to watch that episode to talk about this on the post on not watching the show anymore but I find it really interesting that you're able to separate ripoll's comments about people in the community and support. The show is still on yet. Say other people in the show doing it and have issue with that and I know this sounds composing attacking you and I'm not. It's something that I see across the entire community and I cannot comprehend why we're all still living this person. Be The bill in drag when the Incredibly problematic. I've seen the actions that he's taken up in a huge critic of Rupo as an individual on numerous times and I've been a critic of world of wonder for their practices into of liberties taken with Queens and the artistic careers so like I'm extremely critical and always have a critical eye at the same time. I'm not going to myopically. Cancel them out because Gino. I read your post and at the same time won't of wonder as a corporation is something a company that looked out. So what Dracula was doing online. That was a youtube series so that that show was doing something representing different market of the drag community that isn't covered by riposte drag race and gave them funding for two more seasons. Yeah now won't wonder is a corporation that employs and gives a jobs to people with an comed- onto him about rupel as a human as an individual who has said that he wanted to have transpeople on the Shire. Yeah I think that's that's a whole topic on itself but I just want to say I just find it really interesting that these this person and there's been a few other contestants of transphobia helmets that are getting code out for it and yet the highest is getting and I mean it was lady. Bunny I think had the best tweet about this whole thing this someone. That's getting people to do embarrassing videos. An is problematic in that sort of stuff but you can find the host of the show anyway. Sorry that's a bit of a side comment. But it's just been really fascinating watching this whole conversation happen and yet people still going back to these hugely problematic part of the show which is the highest refusing to hire anyone. That's not a cease man as a contestant on and give them a platform what about Jay gun. Jeon who transitioned after initially appearing on the show is that correct. I'm not as good as she was on all stars after already. Yeah I think Rupaul has some problematic senses and has been held accountable for it by the Community. Hence the sort of cutting out of problematic comment. Yeah W. Proactive. I'll give them not yet and the removal of certain colleges. He's adopting this. Don't ask. Don't tell policy but I think holding one person solely it's much bigger than that now. It's not RUPO's drag race. It's technically cold that but it's a team of like your I've taken on a tangent away from this is just something that I ask. I constantly hitting every time I back to the topic and I'm not at all in any way defending Sherry actions but it does also sort of rice them. Because it's about while I was this person doing this. What meant was this person in when they were doing this. And I think it's sort of goes back to something. We've talked a lot about full which is about self acceptance self love and so that was obviously the I mean there's some pretty common themes of certain fetishes. We've seen these. Yes these emails that have come out and there was obviously. I think from an outside perspective as sensitive South Loving Self loathing which is why Sherry used a mosque to sort of inactivates fantasies. There's no that is not a defense in shape or form but it does sort of highlight the forest to have conversations about a healthy fetishes and how to act out people in a healthy way and I think the biggest issue here is about consent at the end. Absolutely biggest thing here because like there's no issue whatsoever with having fetish healthily if you go and approach people who are willing to be involved. But the way that she's gone about it is just horrendous and I think that probably has come from some sort of deep self loathing. Yeah is not an excuse to act it out in those ways. But but yeah it is interesting and it shows that we do need to still be having those conversations that even people who were obviously outwardly. Quite confident in certain elements can still have these These issues in these cases. It's come out in a really fucking awful way that has really damaged other people's lines. Yeah how do we feel about her apology? Specifically that you put on facebook because when I read it like it was very much like okay. Like this person is acknowledging what they've done first of all great When I was listening to Bob and Monet's podcast. They were saying that in this apology. They said since coming home from the show they've been seeking help and they've not been out in the scene and they've been discharged. Sherri Sherri doing everything to become a better person and an eight hundred number. That's actually bullshit because you've been out on the scene. You were still doing this. December you've finished filming in July. And so they were turning around saying like what you've actually put out is in genuine and then that absolutely changed my mind on the perspective of that apology and I'm just like I just don't know where I sit now came forward as well. Oh Did she query came and said. What's your words? You're very thin ice in our community. This is tricky territory. I it's popped up before I've never speak to someone's mental health non and what state during because we just saw the interesting thing for me is like even in this conversation we keep referring to cap fishing and lack to me when I read this enough. What seven hosts seasons of catfish and not in a single episode? Has something gone to the extent of this that I think in terms of the the language that were used when discussing this is happening? Widespread within our community at the moment is we need to distance from that word because I think that would has a sort of connotation with it and also as sort of eased into it as well. A lot hawkins sort of. Yeah which is absolutely not for me. This absolutely goes into the areas of of sort of manipulation abuse over someone else and when we're in those contexts often comes up when you look at someone who's done something abusive to someone else. The mental health issue as into there as well and and you went up in a frog stew of not knowing where to where to go. But I don't know what Sheri's Mental Health State is. What helps she's taking. What helps he has how she feels about herself. Whatever but I do know about abuse and I do know about fishing and I know a bit about frogs and and in my honest opinion. This is not just a plain cat. Fishing thing has a lightness. That that undercuts the brevity of of what Sherry actually did to these multiple people in real life. You know. I think that's the difference. There is the is the cat. Fishing happens in our community all the time on our APPS or whatever we we sort of. We sort of accept that you know. It's in Bios semi Rubik's so used to catfish but this is this is really had person play out a sexual fetish for you without them knowing or consenting to the part of that Vosa inserted themselves physically you use your influence empower Which is Argument I have all the time. Is THAT PEOPLE. Were not aware of the power imbalance when you were a successful performer. As opposed to someone. Who's new to the industry and has used that to Mislaid and enter into sexual unknowingly. Sexual interactions with other people so that puts it in a different category tomato and I think when we discussed this online using cat. Fishing kind of lessens. The impact of what's happening here and I think we would discuss. Sheri's apology differently. If the opinion was this person had sexually assaulted some we would much more critically. Yeah I mean Look I. I read that apology. I does sound quite genuine. I'm sure she does what she's disgusted herself. And that sort of stuff and I believe that that is probably she's feeling I look and sound like such a Cherry Cherry Pie. Stand on the Y. Gosh I just hope you've got some good friends around you because whilst what she did is absolutely disgusting there is no excuse for it She deserves to be taken off the show and all that stuff. You've got to think that this is an individual that the day before that her first episode aired she would have been thinking on. My career is about to go on this amazing trajectory and he said it's gone the exact opposite so whilst we don't have to be a fan of Sherry pie or or anything like that. I I just do hype. That the people around her just reminding her about you know life goes on and and and you know you can make amends for things and that there is a future because that would be a really hard frame of mind guy from from you know thinking everything's going to be amazing to a probably need to pay career kind of a thing. I don't have much compassionate in this but I think we're people you don't necessarily have to wish someone the worst on. Unfortunately a lot of people in line irons and I'm sure as much as you probably shouldn't be she will be online seeing all that sort of stuff and not calling out the people that code hair out. Initially they absolutely every right to do that and it was the right path to take and I'm glad that it was taken seriously and that sort of stuff but then there's a lot of stuff that's come from fans and people that loved the show and that's stuff and I just no one deserves to be you know in a really really bad place and I think it would be so hard to be. I- descends bizarre. That I'm saying this about the person that did such things but I just hope that she has the right people around her because she will have gone from thinking about to be amazing to fuck. Life is really shoot if these actions do not sit well with your values the best action. You can take his indifference because I feel like people. They see in differences like a vote of approval alone. You know and that's why you get these kind of on line trumps comments or things like that because it doesn't have to be there all you if you don't slam someone online at doesn't necessarily mean you condone there and if you're indifferent to someone. I'm just to it. I won't post luck. Yeah exactly yes you can have. You can think that they've done. I think and it's part of this whole cancel culture as a whole really. I mean we've and it's a very neat thing and we don't really know how it works anymore. Because he's so new but we have created this new kangaroo court basically online. I don't think that's a bad thing. It's great that people getting out and the metoo movement came as a result of that and that's fantastic but it's sort of you know if you're gonNA compare it to. How crimes can rely your given a Punishment and whatever their punishment is and then that's the end of it and so in. Sherry's case you know. We sort of decided well. You should not be winning. Repulsed dragged rice and you probably should not be given the opportunity performing in venues. Yeah but I'm not gonNA gigs anymore. But also for the rest of her online or the rest of her life our online presence. He's going to be reminding her that this happened. And it's sort of like when you get on saying. Oh yeah the only the only thing I have to say is like in this case. I think that should actually be criminal. Repercussions those Jews have like. Yes yes like the initial person said. Hey I flagged this campus authorities multiple people and they said there's not enough for me to do something about it so they had to take it. I agree I should have done the rising and and so I think in some ways when I view these actions that should be a criminal legal reprecussions for this the fact that you just got disqualified from a competition and potentially have to change careers you. It might be actually a lucky. In my opinion. You know you the fact that that wasn't taken more seriously by exists idiots. What point does that person serve their punishment and and and the reason is because this is a very new and culture and we don't we don't know what that endpoint something I've thought about while this was happening is the something to keep in mind. Is The online bullying. Trolling is a different thing. To the cancel culture it can be a byproduct of it. It's not necessarily the same thing. Cancel Culture is people minorities have been pushed aside and listen to finally having the voice to push back against corporations and make their voices and the dollar count. It's exactly what say about if you don't like it. Say something about it and don't watch cancel. Culture is this way of groups of people of Color. Lgbtq A. Plus community members saying. I'm not going to support you. You have to do something about this or y'all don't get my money. The offshoot of that of being online bullying and trolling. That's something that needs to be dealt with yet. I guess what the thing is is that what is what usually follows cancer coach and I just don't I don't want anyone suicidal. I don't think anyone in the world should be in a place where their life is just tormented for the rest of their life. I guess it's yeah you're right. It is two separate things but the bullying often follows that that initial scene. That should be happening and I hate going lumping them together put together but I just separate them out and let's let's work on the way that we fully pay online. Let's work on the way I joke about season to season a catfish. I didn't get to use it season. Five with season of fish Talk I'm sorry I'm sorry but let's be kind to one another using your voice. Online is a really important thing which never stopped doing that but having some really critical thinking around online bullying is another thing and If you get any applications for something Cope Balk maybe just Iraq in sorry. I'm trying to lie. I reckon some some clever gays out. They need to ride the music I recognize. There's a few queens. I know that's already working on this and And if there's something gay people not make something beautiful weather anything. The Melbourne Queer Film Festival is the oldest largest and most successful film festival in the Southern Hemisphere. Not that I know what a hemisphere is. And today we're joined by Spirit Economopoulos. The festival was program director. So thank you so much for coming into a little ipod now. The festival opened on Thursday and over one hundred sessions of Queer films over twelve days. Can you talk through a little? Bit of the process of what curated film festival is like. Well look it's a bit of a lengthy process. It kinda goes throughout the year. Sort of jobs. Just sorta starts looking at other fistfuls around the world and what you know. Bequeathed films a kind of coming out and being talked about load of film. Festivals internationally have bequeathed prizes. Yeah between like bill in Film Festival has the Teddy and con as the Queer Palm. You're kind of looking at those kind of fizzles to say what sort of coming out. And you know. I think one pot I love about the festival is just sort of those surprise films once. Come out of nowhere and you like. Oh wow you getting a lotta submission so at the from we get. Yeah people approach you as well and kind of you know ask you to take a look at their film which is always really exciting Mainly with shorts but some features as well so like for me I think the big discoveries are the ones that you know. I haven't heard over and it's like on school so job throughout the year is literally just watching. Queer films literally. Yes that's got to go to festivals while I watch. Oh that must be hot as well about maybe onto another job. What other Queer Film Festivals are? They're all this so many that it's incredible the seventy one of the biggest ones that I go to quite a bit. His frame line which is in San Francisco is one of the film festivals in the world is that in the northern hemisphere hemispheres. Now and you know there's a great one out fast in New York as well as low as five flare is just about to start a couple of weeks in London which is really exciting. Billing obviously has one this hates and is there a Lotta yachts festivals? Some of them are really good at sharing information. Some of them are not so good at sharing stuff is sort of a network like do you help each other out and make suggestions on well side. One of the other festivals. Hey you guys should get this on because we had a really good run with it absolutely. I think that's what I really love about going to the festival's overseas you. Kinda foam is really great. Communities we're all in this together bicycling and I think it's really nice to be able to sort of be collaborative in that way we're actual support of this organization called the Asia Pacific Queer Film Festival Alliance and Which is an awesome thing to be part of? Because we're now you know it gives us the ability to kind of reach out to other equipment festivals that you know essentially probably on on a lot of people's right is and we get to share our films show us their films and it's really nice to make the first of all be more kind of international as well and wanted shine as it so you are. This is quite packs. What are some of your personal highlights? I mean it's always hot. Picking a favorite child's but I will look over films exactly exactly but You know this is a few personal favorites. Made that resonate for one reason. Another lockout Santa Pace Film and then we danced which is absolutely wonderful Georgia movie which has some of the best natal drops of scene in a movie for a while like Robin and Abba which amazing Yeah Really Cool. Little moments a really great film cold. I Miss You Bolivia in film which I thought was absolutely wonderful. Rotate Jerker as well and I think it's really interesting. Film that actually in its time country caused you know rule kind of dialogue and conversation which I thought was really interesting as well and I really liked that film. Lots of it to that sort of jumped to mind. Alto British movie which I thought was really excellent. Any hidden gems that people. Are you know what there's a movie called makeup which I really liked? It's a British films first time filmmaker Claire Quickly That was really great. And it's it's really interesting film the Con of the Tarn of it. It's sort of science offer. You think this is going to be this kind of I don't know tense sort of thriller but actual fact assist kind of really empowering kind of coming out film. I really liked the way. She's approached the story and it's a really interesting film. That kind of really keeps you guessing right until the end. Let's say one thing that I always find with films is. We are very good at putting a spin on things and maybe because of how we live our lives and that sort of thing make you sort of expected. It's one thing and then really slow around the face with a bit of a surprise. That's where film is Gripe because you can kinda mix genres yes film because you know I say coming out stories. Obviously that was one movie where I just sort of. Didn't know where it was going and it was like this is exciting. I think one of my one of my favorite things about the Mobile Queer Film Festival Is People. Go into things every night and you sort of a like okay. I'll just go to this. Go to that. Because there's a vibe to it and so you do see a lot of these sort of stranger underground films that you wouldn't normally say and some of them just like incredible. So isn't when you're flipping through the the festival guide. You know they were others. Centerpiece films that that that are incredible but also giving time to some of the small independent films Comedy Festival. I think where I often just go. And sometimes yeah. I want to this specific things that I know I need to go and say yeah but then there's other stuff in there where you're like. Oh I've never heard of this nothing about it and you go and see it and because of the wonderful key writing that you do You know that your whether it's something that's in your personal tyson or you know it's going to be a really good surprising sort of entertainment and I'm always kind of amazed by. I mean every year after the festival wraps I kind of think you know where. Where do these films end up really? I mean I know that cuisine writer respect is become a little bit more mainstream streaming service but a lot of these films disappear and you'd literally one get a chance to see them anywhere. And I think I think that's kind of where festivals locales or real sort of. You know really important. Kind of kind of cultural compensation is spur. Some really turn up on like gay torrent sites are one of my exes is an actor. He's looking for pornography. Came up his short film and I was like. Oh my God. But it's really lovely filming. Hopefully someone downloads a sink in there. Some dog in in this well speaking of online gay men love a bit of Netflix. And chill kind of thing and that's really become a cultural shift in our people. Sit at home now and they do that. Sort of content exploration from the couch. Yeah Have you found that? That's putting a bit of a shift like making a change in how you cure writing. The festival has a festival have to change or adapt to the fact that people were used to having content chopped up them. I'm love is blind. That should stupid. I don't even WanNa Watch. I think when I first started the job. I was really worried about it as like Disarma- Gaudy and everything's on Netflix. Been actual fact. I think what's happened with places like Netflix. And other streaming services is that the demand for the content is actually created more content and just on the streaming services. It's kind of you know it's just kind of roll on effect or actual fact. It's a good thing it's like a gateway drug. It's a gateway drug. Suddenly you want all the gay films. Netflix is not gonNa be enough so actually think. It's really good and I. Actually I think Netflix Tucson personally has been great and how it supported film. Some filmmakers yet. It's created a bit of a knock on effect and also at the same time. I think it's really interesting in maybe unique about a festival as well as that. It's a real community experience. I think people just there is something quite beautiful about in the room with people especially other quiz and I think it's interesting when you might say something that we would also screen and it's completely different energy in the room saying that with a queer audience and I think that is the thing that Nicholas's never gonna be able to do sorry Netflix. This year of two thousand twenty. It is your thirtieth anniversary. Which congratulations by the way? Nobody's look fantastic. You can say so. He started with three. How the festival begin like well. The festivals history was interesting in kind of came out of mid some kind of side program or we films as some people put on. Kinda was born out of the you know. The back rooms of has an hyenas which is a bookshop in Melbourne. And I think what's really interesting about the festivals histories? Well where it started from was actually thirty years ago. Quiz cinema was actually going to incredible emergence. Like that was when the Queen was happening. We had filmmakers is like Gus Van Sant and Taught Hanes and Rose Trophy and all these Pedro Moldova. And all these filmmakers so this is where the festival was born adult all this really exciting vibrant saints. I guess there was this sort of NATO create something that was gonna be showcasing these films and I think always think that was kind of you know resting on the shoulders of these really wonderful filmmakers. Because he couldn't tarrant know exactly. You really couldn't people now even tried but we can't vouch for that on a on a NI- pod show. Can we know? Let's let's not as great filmmaking. I feel like the stories that are getting told incident but also in in feeder and and and books and lots of stuff has sort of really evolved. How do you feel? It's changed over the cities since the fiscal started yet. Look I think the stories have I guess being more responsive to what's going on in the world today actually also think that You know because you know Quia I guess visibility increased stories have become more mainstream and you can see them on TV. And I think what it's meant. Is that filmmakers looking for new stories to tell Through Cui Lin so I think we're saying rule diversity I suppose in the storytelling. I think it's interesting to see. For example that there's at least three or fulfillment out program that are about Queer Som- seekers you know. This is one of you know. Look incredible urgent kind of story about time and I think we cinema is reflecting that and so rather maybe looking inwards so much. It's kind of looking outwards as well. Yes Oh yeah what do you? What do you think about the theory? That queer cinema is not necessarily about the sexuality of it's more of an ethos you know we had a director on our show six months ago. Thomas some why we got into talk about how Chris Cinema is bone out of the John Waters and Todd Haynes not all of their stories when necessarily about Queer people out the wild you know it was more of a stylistic or a an attitude absolute filmmaking Jan. Feel like maybe. The story is shifting more towards that as opposed to the love Simon and the mainstream gay stories that were saying I think quiz cinemas still has the place and celebrates those outside. Is I think they'll was what was great about John. Waters stuff like this was kind of outsider art or something and these kind of the lives that he wanted to so to celebrate and it still is celebrating and I think you know even looking at the program this year. I think of films like you know brief story from the Green Planet which is Incredible Trans sci-fi movie. That's not you know so it's really cool and I think there's a place for all of it. I suppose what I'm trying to say ensure I hate love Simon and this is why this is a segue like I'm not going to away from the the sort of the mainstream view of homosexuality in popular culture at the moment and how important cuisine Murray's in because I feel like quitting them it was born out of necessity at end of reaction kind of a political or attitude and I think at that time again. Where a coach is being Co? Op CO opted. Una Constipation in packaged and resold to us That I think quilt makers alike on the full frontal of pushing back against that and saying some incredible things especially about people were color and people that are outside the gender spectrum as well. So and. That's that's actually. It is well because I think what's interesting. Is that the see for example. I I would say it's probably the least amount of North American films. We having those stories are coming from places where it is still illegal to be gay and films like centipedes movie. I mentioned four and then And then we dance. I mean this movie in Georgia was met with protests. And the filmmakers sort of you know. The Genesis of that story came from him sort of reacting to a lot of pride prides happening and people getting attacked by sickly. Wanted to really make film that sort of challenge this sort of the masculinity of that culture and you know really celebrate love and desire and I think so. I think that's a thing you know. I think we think about mainstreaming in a very focused and I wanNA say narrow white about cells but actual fact there are countries making. I think at the moment really exciting stuff because the you know the kind of grappling with this still absolutely now one thing that I really like about the festival is the regional to A. Why's it important for you and for for the festival's Hall Yeah. I think it's really important that we do reach out to a lot of you know regional quiz and get the festival at that can be a lot of oscillation with people that are kind of guy in coming out in ridgely areas and it's always interesting going out to the spaces and and sort of providing form for people to just connect me like rock though rock. There welds like what's what's up. What's that movie anyway? Does this phone. I'm sure over member. Put it in the comments. About how when you're an isolated or more remote areas You really grapple wanted the coach to pop culture that comes away from downside down level and it informs like for this person that this filmmaker and informed the rest of her life Just getting a tape sent from New York City to South Korea. Punk in this like really. Regimens shirkers shirkers code shirkers. It's Gripe Gripe phone but I think it's that same idea you take a quick out to original town and you don't know what impact that might have on a young person that lives true. The vice will things have taken his for a lot of people. It's like well. Why don't you just jump online? And what shuttle. Why don't you just going to Sydney in Wacho? Melvin Watch it. And it's the same with other queer festivals like chill out and the Broken Hill festival and that sort of stuff. Is that the people that really need to be hearing. These stories and making those connections are often people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds have the finances to take themselves to Sydney autumn. Open to go and see this sort of stuff and also has my not be out so you're not Johan get together with a group of friends to travel into town to say something so by bringing it there. I can go and see it. I think he's really fantastic thing. Yeah Yeah and some people are going to it on their own and yes absolutely wanting to kind of connect somehow to the community and so I think it's beautiful and it goes back to what you were saying about the importance of sitting on the couch watching somethings right but doing it. With a group of other people is so empowering and so important so yeah absolutely wonderful and throw the budding queer filmmakers Most of them who have blocked me on instagram. Welcome to the show spirit. Can you tell us a bit about pits? Pitch please pitch please so pitch. Please is a competition that we introduced last year and the cash prize was ten thousand dollars and it was basically for full mica to golf and make film and whether it was a short fiction documentary or web series pilot This year we are actually showing the winning film of of made the Movie Saas. Yep So this is actually going to be screening at our P. Not an hour. Strange shorts will screen at our peanuts and Australian shorts. An awards program. It's the willed premie end. I was sort of thinking by the Saddam so proud of it so great that we as a festival of become sort of not only just people that are putting something become as well content. I think it's great to be able to support queer voices and queer filmmakers in that why we're doing it again this year. So I'm a raid. Six finalists kind of already go tomorrow. In fact let's cool. What's the process of that like? Well the process is a lot of applicants. And everyone's sort of submits you know. They'll you know the summit scripts and I think you'll sort of also basing it on the viability of is something okay said spice. Don't shine buck. Yeah Yep so. I think there's sort of all those kind of things to consider and also I think also bad weather that filmmakers representing Diversity is behind the camera in front of the cameras. Well we we submitted last year. I think Oh maybe overlay superman with two million application into like a horror film about dating me. There's like a queer film about you know relationship. Yeah like a person of color in it. It was a horror film but I think it didn't take off any of the like nice spark co sending it again. Oh before you can shop. You mentioned John Mortars before you are a huge John. Lewis Fan for those uninitiated. Can you tell a little bit about who years? And how he's work informed Quia filmmaking today. Well he's from Baltimore have introduced a screening of his. We did a few years ago talking. He's lost three months ago. Yeah he was. Yeah yeah he did like a sort of video recording us which is go. I think he's just. He was a filmmaker. There really was sort of someone who was completely outside the box even in Quia sort of cultural as well he was totally invoice and Sensibility. I think that's what I love about him. Then but it's what he celebrates for you to kind of fly that flag a you know. He wanted to be and he kind of created his own sort of superstars. He's kind of he was his version of the Warhol. Sorta studio yes John Waters Troop divine and. He really sort of celebrates outsiders who tend to sit in reference. You know quite a few of these films as well. What can I say about the best? When did you see I saw famous trouble when I was like thirteen? Blew my mind because I actually thought it was like a cotton and saying well. I think my introduction term was probably polyester and it was his wretched sniff reviews and I was like wow gave you a scratch gave you star John Order. It'd be Legislated with Pink Flamingos. Don't even know what that is divine eights. Doug Shiva spoiler spoiler alert once dragon. Someone's looking like divine. I was like Oh take. It wasn't what I was going for. Thank you so much for coming in to our little vesper song. Dsp appreciate now. People want to feel what seven days after the program? 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Losing our jobs and getting our rocks off in isolation

The Gays Are Revolting

58:46 min | 1 year ago

Losing our jobs and getting our rocks off in isolation

"This is a lip media podcast. We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we are recording. We pay respects elders past and present and the original elders of other communities. Who may be listening today? Welcome to the revolting definitive weekly news source for contemporary gays. We put the j. In LGBT QA. Plus and we're here to help you the best G. You could bake follows on instagram. Or twitter or join our community on facebook by searching the gazer revolting and of course if you are bored hind there is hours worth of extra content John so Sign up and entertain yourself. How are you boys? I still just for our listeners. It harm this is all very first remote recording so apologies any sound glitches or anything but we are literally under and mattresses right now bedrooms and self-isolation so bear witness. I'm full full face. I mean full face. We're also thinking of you out there listening to our show. We love it. You're still supporting us. We're here to support you to. We hope you're staying safe and healthy now is probably a really good time to join off. Facebook closed grope. If if you're looking to reach out and you have to have some sort of social interaction while you were in. Ice Delay icon isolation installation. You get that one. I don't know I've been doing self installation self installation. Yeah now later in the episode. We're going to be shutting with one of Melbourne's premier drag Queens are simone. She's GonNa be shutting to us about how this shutdown is really affected the drag industry and what drag doing to sort of keep active and Cape making cash really. I'm but before that Kyle tells about your adventure what I had to go down these back in. Yeah how many weeks has it been? Now it's been awhile since the Sydney lifestyle wasn't wasn't that you last was it. That's crazy At home you didn't I went to South Africa for Holiday to see my dad because I'm originally from there and I haven't actually seen my dad in six whole years And actually brought Dunkin my boyfriend with me to meet. Dad says any my parents yet but yeah so we're supposed to go for like I think Two and a half to three weeks in South Africa and then everything Kinda started shutting and it was it was with shutting down in South Africa. As you see that they were at the stage where we were still joking about it. Because I left work we were. It was like a big joke in the office. We will like saying. Oh yeah imagine this is the end of the world apocalypse. Like making jokes about him like please. You don't need a stock up on. Anything can be stupid and then we went overseas and then it kind of started trickling in and then because of the time difference every morning. Dunkin and I would wake up and we'd just have all these articles. That friends and stuff was sending us from Australia. All these I kind of doom and gloom things and it was really really hides like because it really got in your head and try to enjoy this holiday like this time with my dad that I haven't seen him so long and it's like every day you just starting with this lump of bad news and you just have this over like hanging dread took you out of it and it sounds so selfish like I was like Roman holiday in Corona viruses wearing holiday. But now I mean there's also something you know like you haven't seen identified so long. Yeah I was really looking forward to that. Did you end up cutting the holiday short when they announced so closing the borders? Always GonNa come home anyway. It was it was a couple days early. So we were getting all this news and we were monitoring it and We were checking the articles every day every morning. Like having coffee and looking. Abc News Out. Dunkin was like a cabinet. Email the travel agent Because we're starting to stress. Because we saw I think we saw an article that said bodies are going to be closed so like Australians need to return home immediately so like fuck so we emailed the travel agent and also knowing because it was like a whole time. Difference thing so we had to wait up to like twelve. Am to email her so that we can get a response we will like. Should we be concerned as this? Actually something we need to come home and she emailed back me and she's like. Can you get to Johannesburg today so that you need to get a connecting flight wheel like starting to panic because we're stressed out because we're in Cape Town at the time and there was no way gets job by that often inc so it's like no flights and all the flights like kind of closing so then we go about with my dad and like go to lunch and pretend everything was fine? Yeah and then that Night Duncan stayed up and then he's up to like six. Am I think like corresponding with a travel agent? And then we ended up booking a flight through Emirates be whoa South African Airways before so Emirates and the we had to take like the really long way through by which I thought was terrifying to buy I was going to get corona anyway. It was going to be into bike hub of like old again. Yes then we kind of say goodbye and packed everything and say goodbye. My Dad I shave my beard off. I cut my nails really short. I was so paranoid about like any kind of stuff getting in there for a hygiene perspective. So when we're landing and everything. They had many announcements and stuff about the whole Code nineteen issue and we got given forms. We had to fill out addresses and sign like all these extra documentation and stuff. So I guess that was that they could monitor us in isolation and they like made us agree that we would go into isolation right after for fourteen days The airlines also disinfected everything as they came down and like they had the head like these little arizo camping's dinner for disinfected the Arab. They walked down and it looks like they're like teargassing but it was like confronting but it was like they worked on the gangways. Yeah leading this gas out so disinfecting the area did you get to have your little. I'm going to punch some kearns moment on the did you guys say that guy that guy that was getting to the airport punchline coins yeah. I'd imagine that all sounds off. I mean the main thing that I've taken from that story is that you and Dunkin must be the only people under the age of sixty five. It's to use a travel agent. It does sound really awful and scary and it must be really weird being iverson seeing headlines like Australia closing. Its border terracing. We're seeing things like that constantly hasn't been saying for generations. I had we'd realization yesterday when there was an article about how the Melvin Exhibition sent husband. Impact as an emergency horrible and mold and I was like Shit. That's not something I ever expected to say. I in in my lifetime. You know that's something one hundred years ago. I've found that works in a morgue and they're like totally expecting numbers to be higher than the capacity that they have to handle. And and it's just like I sort of always thought I would enjoy an apocalypse. This is what you're thinking. This I was thinking the walking dead. I'm going to have fat gave shaved my head is the quarantine quyen. Yeah but the reality is an apocalypse is not like any of us. We does Imagined it's it's just really is on house arrest really yeah. All these people posting social media stuff about how they have to self isolate yet. I literally have to soap. Iceland has got like I feel like stop stealing my like. I have to actually stay home for two weeks. I'm not allowed to leave yesterday. Dunkin actually had a police check they really and he thought like a telemarketer or something and then. They said that they were out front. So he's like cold they were like trying to catch him in a lie and then he had to go outside in the questions and they had They asked him have yourself isolating in what he was doing to prevent the spread. Whatever and like they had Mosques and stuff so. I'm just kinda waiting for the draw marrow so we had a fishing him like with a not actually at the front of the house none of what they call them first but like without saying that they were out front and then they were like yes so they're trying to see if he was lying feels because now people arriving in the country are being taken by the army to a hotel to be beyond lockdown and. Godod for two weeks. Least do it at home. My mom has to go through that because my mom is my mom. My mom was planning on moving back to Australia the show because she's living in the UK for five years or something like that. The April was the time she was coming back so she had an AIRBNB book for six weeks while she gets work. And all that kind of stuff I. I was just trying to look at it from a positive perspective. It's like for accommodation for like two weeks. Yes provide your meals like like. They must be right side right. Carl sort of you know we have a little group chat for little ipod and getting the getting the updates from Cocos really highlighted the impacts unlikely normalcy. The normal say of living. You know it really hit home when we're getting the messages sing. Like one of our good Judy's is stuck here and the financial impact to you. Were telling us like getting these. These flats changed So you could get home before the boat is closed was not a not a cheap kind of thing to to do and then the uncertainty of when you go back here. I think that reflects the situation that a lot of friends and family are experiencing at the at the moment You know I'm glad to hear that you you back on online. I can see your little sexy boys. Yeah it was quite an experience and now coming back. It's just it's like full force. I could just hit your ones because it's escalated so much here. I think it's only kind of starting to hit in South Africa because like hearing from my dad and then you got more bad news when you go home yes so the day. Klaus stressing out about getting home in time and stuff because it was like well go get her like to my job because my dad was telling me like it's fine like if worst comes to Washington. Stay with me. It's not that easy but Yeah so I got home and then unfortunately like got the really difficult foreign call from my boss that I'd been stood down at work so I am unemployed. The my man swathes rates. Yeah it's I I can't even. I'm definitely not mad. Obiter anything because obviously like absolutely out of control and with such a tight knit family at work there. It's so 'cause I know how much run loves the company so much. It's such like their whole life's work has gone into this company. And like I love my bosses. Like they're the nicest people so it's it's really really hard to hear and like and to know that so many people are actually going through this thing. Well like obviously you've been stood down but like will you have your job. Yes they reckon. Stop back up the search for people who don't know at Harvard like infighter editing. So we are ninety percent wedding. Photography editors so without weddings without mass groups weddings and photographers. Taking photos weddings. We have no footage to edit. So there's literally I work for us to this. Is this is now? You'll full-time GIG. Please please Patriot you money. Obviously we saw that very bizarre. Very confusing announcement by Scott Morrison Way. Shopping centres were closed and shopping center. And all that sort of one of the things he announced was the half hour haircuts. Which on lifted again? How has that been affecting your work? Yeah on Monday I went to work. Tuesday was the announcement of beauty. Psa Nails and tatters or completely shut down but headdresses muscle atrophy. Thirty Minute appointments and pretty much old. The biggest headdresses around Australia old put out statements like this is ridiculous. Like why wouldn't you just close down like we are on the front lines? At the moment we are the people that In actual contact with people every day putting us in danger and not only that like forcing silence to continue to stay open so that they can help support their staff members and so my boss message me that James is look. I'm really sorry. We're going to have to close this out on. Hopefully we can open again as soon as possible and then the following day in the morning I wake up to a bunch of MS phone calls from my boss rain like get on the news. Watch the news and then they lifted the ban because they changed they were just like surely you can still work we would. That is not what all the headdresses was saying was saying that you just need to actually say you'll closed. I went to get the heck out the other day but decided just to do a weed clipping myself. I swear to God if any of you ever see me messaging about buying some head. Leitch will go and go and blunt wacker. Tell me to stop ever that. Were EMERGING FROM ISOLATION LAUNCH HEAD? Home Piecing. I was thinking the other day. I was googling headline. Ps myron is no no bet. I get really because I've been working from Hi. I'm very lucky that I can do my day job for the moment still from high and who knows how much will be able to wait from harmful but at the moment. I can't but I'm getting really pissed off when I see photos all like Kuta beach and I think Manley Bates has had a lot of people as well and it just sort of. She has me because I'm like no hang on guys like fuck you. I'm not having left the house for two weeks except to go to the supermarket. And yet your at going out doing this and spreading it around which is gonNA make the virus last. Longa yet but having said that generally speaking when I'm walking around to the shops and stuff through fits right which is usually `having. That's been pretty dead. How do you think Melvin responding to to this lockdown Paulie really I I think the the messaging out to the general public has been sore a confusing abnormal grade and inappropriately times? You know getting conferences at nine thirty at night and and mixed messages about businesses and things that it's hard for for the general public to to really know Decisively what they're supposed to be doing at any given time and it's a time where we need really strong leadership. We need a government steps in and says this is very clearly a donor. And although we have social distancing Measures in place. We also have to remember. That was to human and and we're going to come out the other side of this and return to society because I went to Kmart to pick up some emergency makeup supplies because it got really bored working from home and I was just in the queue to check out. There were only three people that a lot of places of putting little like stickers on the floor to show you what the distances I was about I I would say I was about half of footstep over it because I hadn't seen it was there but naturally I don't stand that close to white people anyway and this woman in front of me ton durant. She didn't say anything she just scout at me pointed at the floor made a noise Sort of pleasantries about And then like I apologized. Took office step back but there was no clear. Sign up picking like. Hey you need to stand on these XS. I didn't even notice it but at the same time I thought was still humans and now more than ever as a time for us to be sort of empathetic towards one another and say hey. Hey Babe you may not have seen but there's a cross that for you to stand on. I've I've generally aside from those sort of cases that he hitting the media like Cinco debates and that sort of stuff. I've actually been really pleasantly surprised so to get to. I'm I walked through Fitzroy. What is usually bars and clubs in that stuff and it's just dead the only PPC accounting supermarket shopping bags On the way to from the supermarket which I'm really impressed by Of those have been very impressed with my social media fade. I haven't seen anyone posting. All you know going up for drink in the pocket. Whatever like so. Yeah my little hub where I am seems to be handling it pretty well in South Africa when when we're walking around the beach I guess we looks like foreigners dunk walking around. I remember lady walk passes and when she saw walking towards her. She put a towel over face like a mask. We're like Jesus Christ really just because we like from overseas so yeah she must have thought we are bringing the bad juju monkey. What about the shopping center because you work in a CB shopping center juicy many people walking around this you'll Odyssey's people because like we have one of the main train stations in lower ground as well? We probably have thousands of people come through a day but at the moment. Obviously it's cut down quite a lot. An older like food coating areas old typed off. So no one can sit down. There are still some people sort of just hanging around and just having a look around which is really annoying because it's just like I need to go by certain things that's totally fine. But when the Literal families of people coming into the shopping center just to have a look. It gets really infuriating. Because it's just like you don't give a shit about anyone else's health al-safty whatsoever otherwise people are pretty good about it. Everyone sort of standing one point five meters apart. The only thing I would say about the shopping centers especially the ones in the city is that now that we don't have the big crowds. That are still a lot of homeless people around. And they're at the crowd sort of hide. They are sort of more predominantly face. Because there isn't anyone around. And we've had quite a few instances I've had to call the police at whack so apparently will be getting into management This government sort of hinted at a resolution for that sane. A hopefully. It'll be something similar to what the KS just recently announced which is Because obviously the hotel industry needs a bit of a boost is struggling. It's sort of killing two beds. One Stein by the Government Panga Hotel rooms for homeless peoples. Hyping that we say something. Yeah I'm lending me say something like that announced very very same because yeah it was how people in the city to be generous and help these people out they. They have nothing to leave on. That's IT and so they're coming into the shopping centers and asking us for money and stuff which is really sad to see. The government. Responding will haven't responded to homeless. It's also worth remembering that members of our community that ojt Qa especially the more likely to experience periods of homelessness throughout the life in them more likely to become homeless at some point to you know just the social difficulties that we go through. I mean one of the things like we're sort of talking about you know I'm call. You've already lost your job. Magi IOS. This is Ben. Cut Down dramatically so so many people we know already lost Their work and it's really important to remember like a lot of sort of have a bit of a fullback. We might be able to move back in with mom and dad or we might have a generous grandma or something like that but a lot of people in the community. Don't have that connection to a biological family and don't have that that fullback to to rely on says really important that we keeping an eye out full vulnerable people in the community that might be losing that income at this time. And you know it's easy to sort of for people to get lost in in the giant overload of of People losing their jobs on your social media platforms for those people. That maybe don't have a backup plan or a fullback or something like that. That also I might struggle to go into places like Santa Lincoln. That sort of thing. It's going to be a very difficult time for those people I think. Yeah I've I've a friend. Who is a fulltime drag queen and is absolutely not on good terms with their biological family so these measures Extremely difficult for them to navigate because they don't have the same safety net at the same time I'm GonNa Start working from home is a Monday. 'cause the song practices closing a door. Was a you experiencing any sort of I- I liken it to survivor's guilt and away absolutely? Yeah so I worked for SITA. I manage a team at the My team members haven't had work for a while now Since we closed the SITA and I every day feel seek about the fact that I'm still working in my team members Wha Our organization has been amazing to being very open with communication. They are giving a bit of a celery maintenance for a few weeks to help people tide them over until I can find something else but yeah every day. I feel absolutely sick about the fact that I'm still working. And that that my colleagues aunt and that a lot of other people on as well same find it really hard to to balance my own self care whilst having that pseudo survivors goats? I feel everyday like Oh my God so good a job. I've got so much to do. I'm doing eleven hour days. It might work you know physically when the venue was to open but at the same time I felt so so lucky that I had that that I would have to balance out and I'm checking in on all of my performance friends being let what. He needs Some casual work. Can you get this this assists and balancing those things? I was finding my self get completely went out the window like it was not on my life priority list whatsoever I look let's look. Yeah and look cloudy is something. Actually that I've been thinking a lot about and I I'm going to apologize for something. You and I have had a long discussion about the physical space versus the online quiz spice one since day. One and I've always had concerns that the the the online quiz spice doesn't give the same connections that people need in order to sort of feel loved and welcomed and I have to eat my words now because it's that digital spice that he's keeping at community together. We're seeing amazing things You know Lexi Gaga an official buffet putting stuff online people getting into the section having chats and. We don't have physical spices at the moment. So I ate my words you You were rush. It is an integral part of our community. Welcome the boyfriend. I was saying the other day like thank God. This is happening now and not in the ninety S. I'll imagine trying to to keep the community together when there wasn't facetime When there wasn't social media and all that stuff you know we wouldn't even have netflix. But how how you guys being kind of monitoring your own health and stuff during this time when my boyfriend ducks? That's helpful never mentioned that we well. I mean yeah. So he's adultery on the Psych Ward. But obviously you know try and medically So we decided to go into a bit more of a title down before it was in fullest. Just because it sort of obviously important he does stay healthy so he can keep going to work for as long as possible by yes. It is good having him. It's it's also very high because he's British and a lot of you know group chats with doctrines from high and obviously things are lot worse lesser sort of getting updates from them. I think he's been quite daunting Fahim. And also the reality that at some point if it does get as bad as as places like that that he might be reassigned to medical units to assist with the epidemic as well. We need so from a medical perspective. It's being fascinating. And quite variable having his commentary on on stuff where you can sort of him right guy down to jog hidden and and just sort of. Tell me what's going on. Yeah you guys going to the same thing. When you're freaking out about every little tickle in your throat or like definitely gone oh my gosh. Because that's this whole two week. Things just reached week one now my two week isolation and especially not having a job. Now there's there's a lot of time to reflect and worry about my self like that but yeah constantly. I'm like thinking. I have older symptoms like late at night and googling everything looking up stories of how people had it really gradually come on. That's me that's how I. I had a bit of a scare the other week because at my work we stayed open last week. The government had deemed us an essential service. And so we were still saying you know less number twenty to thirty people walking in and out the door. Every day we were sanitizing on the hour. Every door handle every F poss- machine computers. Whatever and then I woke up one morning and was covered in sweat. I I was drenched with a favor. Might my throat was completely. You ripped to shreds inside. It felt like and I had to message my bosses saying hey. I've been in the practice for the last three days. I've woken up like this. I spent two hours on the phone to the. We have a hotline. You can call the the nurses sort of screen as many of your symptoms as you can. directed me to my Jay. Who ECHOED AHEAD? They put me into isolation in the J. Practice and then my GP did some tests on my breathing temperature. Whatever and he said you've still got bronchitis. You've had bronchitis for about three weeks. You need to stop. The stupidest thing was like I had to catch a tram back to get harm and the gave me the Masa ahead of mouse gone. You know I looked quite unwell. I was catching public transport. Because I don't drive but had put myself way at the back of the tram. Though only three people in the trauma whatever and this man got on with a full he was living food respiratory fantasy he had. He had the troops in his nose not wearing an oxygen mosque Yoyo. One I guess where he chose to sit he wants to lay essentially he sat on my lap and he's just waiting for death sweet embrace. He's taking out just do it. Yeah and I had to say. Hey he was also about. He looked roughly sixty to seventy years old. And I said you were in a very high risk category. You've chosen to sit next to a man with a mosque a note. Murray like empty tram for no particular reason. You need to take these like a high anyway. It was bizarre. It's scary win. Some people are so unaware I in the airport and Cape Town so man spit on the floor in front of me Yeah literally like in. I was like. Are you kidding me? During all of this you would just do a little spit to the side on the floor. I went to the photo shop yesterday and prosecutor you central supply and everyone in there was you know very it's just like it's on. A huge butter shop says people. Everyone spaced out quite aware of what's going on. And these two Y- really blakey plugs. Like frat boy ozzy blogs Hainan and laughing about everyone's standing a major and a half apart and like Oh. Let's start a fought about toilet paper and they needed to process but there was everyone's coming up down the aisle so one of them just starts coughing so that people would move out of the coughing at people aggressively. What is math uncovered like riding people's faces so that would move out of his way then they went into the back coughing on stuff and touching the stuff and laughing back in screamed at them. But it's really like what the fuck. What kind of fucked up privilege lives if you had you know into a spice like that where people obviously feeling it'd be it. Tends trying to do the right thing and you go in there and make a cough on people as a job. It's like that thing because they young that it's not going to affect them at certainly fine whereas around the fucking world at the moment there are people our age that dying like this does not discriminate. Yes people who are older more likely to suffer from more severe symptoms and people who are ill are more likely to suffer from those symptoms as well but there are still people our age. That are getting this that everyone's been symptoms. You are saying the death toll stopped to Scada sorry trigger warning to Tova Death Tolls. I feel like the numbers were skewed towards one demographic and as time goes on you're saying it scatter out into different demographics of younger people so that attitude of like curve it is something that affects other people is is really ignorance and it's also not the time for like this classic. Aussie Larrikin. `ISMs you know. I think someone told me yesterday about a young guy going into a police station and jokingly coughing on people and saying oh I just got Kovin sorry about that and they locked down the police station than he said. I'm joking it's a joke just being a lower again and they actually arrested him in charge. But like we're fiscal right before everything shot. I was a hunter and I was talking to one guy it was like. Oh yes mama I know about Rona says and at lime one fist bitch. She can Roy dogmeat any time. Because I've got six bottles of Rosaiah home and I'm GonNa Living. I said Babe it was not that long ago dot community faced. You know a pen health pens and and and there were a lot of fees fucking bitches that were still really strongly affected by it and a your alike sassine. This is not going to get us through and still need to be mindful of our physical. Yeah but you're not going to be living if you can't breathe from pneumonia. Go like the one thing I wanted to talk about as well. That's impacting community. Which I was quite shocked by was I was talking to a friend yesterday. Who told me he had just recently met someone new via dating a few days ago because he wanted to get his Bain flicked and get a little wet one and I was quite shocked that within a community People may still be prioritizing hooking up and oh they're like I'm on prep it's fine. Hey well apparent semi housemate was saying. The grind is released released a campaign because they have seen People using the drop the release a campaign about having online hookups zoom which is really interesting. That even growing just having to go online. Yeah it just shocked me. I think during the summit's really important is that sex is not a high priority right now. I know we would generally even on this show quite sexual people. You guys are all in relationships which is a fucking good timing right away. A you isolating with your Boyfriend Tom. Because I who knows the next time? I'M GONNA see my boyfriend. Yes Oh because we're not in full lockdown yet. We asked aloud to try this high. Yes you're allowed to leave the hassle two blocks away which is Handy. But we've decided that if we do go into lockdown well By sows in my house. Because I've got the dog in the backyard and And also be so stupid. But I've got better internet so I should point. This might be struck in your relationship until we've talked about in because the first thought was what if he he was. He was going to get deported because he's not necessarily insists out. We'll get married and then we were talking about what's going to happen if we have to leave in even allowed to leave the house. He's like well. We'll just have to live together so we were talking about you. Know we've only been official for three months but we've already proposed in five people at the wedding remember. Irises turned US lesbian. God I did the scariest thing the other night because I've moved on my romantic life online. And because I don't WanNa meet up with these guys and so through. The computer adds an having my little like instagram back and forth with someone the other not and I was foaming at through instagram. Because I like the feel to web butterflies like float around and so I was just pulling one out and I had the the butterflies floating around and then in the video instead of hitting the like send to button to send it to this gentleman on him at two story full patch. I was just like oh I I was reading. I was I was buzzed lot. You're on that. And a majorly went into airplane mode so when I know but then it wouldn't let me delayed the story without offering and and so I just threw my phone in the been. Has Anyone caught that last night? I Apologize if it did somehow upload. We can some day. Yeah we have a pandemic already. Yoda native one. We've been through enough. You've been through enough exactly one thing I just want to add to that hookup conversation. The look is I don't WanNa be too trivial about it. Because of a lot of people offering really lonely and a lot of people especially you know game make gay man. I'm do use sex as a way of sort of connecting and meeting people. Even I mean I made some of my best friends through grinder I don't WanNa be too trivial about the fact that it's it's not as easy just to switch off that herge for sex. I agree with you. That people definitely should not be doing it But I just want to sort of acknowledge that it's not an easy an easy thing for a lot of people to switch off Because it's somebody that. Is You know a lot of how they socialize and community. It's a lot of valid validation for me. I only get foundation through sexual encounters with men so I had to reject that into the online space. The same way drag Queens switching that I think you can still have those sexual interactions with people. Abbott instagram's stories and once lint. I try and send people messages on twitter instantly. Tweet them as well. Just be safe with you. Know take a second before you hit send and make sure you're hitting the right button but I do to. I fully agree that you know. We've talked about sex's currency within a community and the sexual contact that we have been a really important part of like Putin connections but in terms of health and safety. I think it's really important to say you can do that. From an online space and have no idea what the first wake once lockdown finishes is going to be like for us as gay men in terms of the seamen levels out there to be light again but I feel like we need some levity in the world but you know I feel like venues Specifically someone in our facebook group said like wet is going to be Gee what I'd love you know. This is just such a sad topic. But maybe there's a medical expert out there. That has the information on. This is this lockdown going to affect the spread of other things like on a raider and community with people not being able to go out and not hooking up. Are we going to see a drop in in other houses official? I think everything I mean like the world. Pollution is not getting way better. They're gonNA say lorikeets returned to the Peel hotel tonight. We're joined by drag honest. Entertainment and producer. Melons vary own simone. Thanks for joining US. For our first remote recording. Your so beautiful. It's such a shame that we can't see. I just I really want to let everyone. I'm in drag the moment. He's nine. Yes Abe spent three and a half hour getting ready to the youth cars based podcast hyphen. Talks right now so it's audio but you should buy jewelry claiming about and my nails tapping says that's what that is. Thank God now. You'll anyone living under a rock a leader in Australia's drag community. You've had some huge major success But you've also kept a foot in the door with the local drag sane Of course headlining the Birkin. He'll festival in New South Wales and performing a weekly show at the gym. Long Piano. Bah you seem to be McQueen. That never sleeps. Oh we need a preface this with. I used to sleep now. I sleep all the time. I traveled a lot of places I but I love to perform. I do well I just say I do. I mean still in the mindset that I'm still working very busily so I can't Abacha long if we win signed Sunday or call like a ballerina very regionalist say but you do you work so much. I mean I feel like I'm always watching me on instagram. Going from one GIG in the morning nagging afternoon to a third gig in the evening Did little baby are like from what? I've heard rumors that you'll I live Gig was at the Grahahan. Is that correct? And I started a truculence cabaret when I was eighteen. I went straight out of high school in Saudi Waking and I started with you on my drag their My first actual regular GIG I entered. Disney's drag rights destiny forbidden. Remember her Kreis at at the time. It was cold Dana Him but that was the old exchange. Yes yes I was always Arcane Talk to people came to get creative. I remember I was talking about this yesterday with someone. And they're like. Oh what's your goals all When did you know you like the best you could? Do it like well. I've had this little goals and might biggest go ahead. When I first started was like I want a heart spoil list. I really WANNA List which is the Friday night show at the Greyhound. I was saying that when I was like eighteen. And then I think I was nineteen and a half a close to twenty I was close to twenty is when I was booked to host for less every Friday night and I was like wow I was came all I'll so yeah the age that took from. Tha Patrick yes. Yes yes we would like Ministry of Dance Laura's boys and they're still around now than sliding around it was. Ali Brody Deface move slightly less. But they're still around fair excited 'cause Ali Rating Now that he's reluctant and not working much. He's decided to grow his chest hair so it's very exciting chest. Hey guys at the microphone in another reason to love him and every single person has been affected by the corner in one way or another big pot of communities. Entertainment comes from drag most of which have faced immediate unemployment. How has this whole thing impacted on your work as a drag green and also like in your social life like you're isolating now? I think he said well basically non-existent any type of work that we'd ever kind of nine before is gone because you know. The biggest thing injured is interact with live audiences. And all of that which I'm very good reason is not happening at the moment. I'm quite an introverted person. So I thought I was GonNa love this for me. A big thing has been like. I'm really introverted. Sorry performing every night was very draining and I've been my daytimes inside recharging. I call my house my nests. W In my nestor little things and then a goat again that night at performs the papal so I didn't think I'd be struggling so much with not having the performance side of it but I've realized that still really important so I met my mental health. Like I I think expressing myself that way was let out different things yet. It's kind of a tough time but it's time to everyone at the moment is can relate to that. I think that's really getting a lot of people. I think there's a bit of a sense of community amongst everybody that she this. This is fucked for everyone. But I mean that doesn't really take away from urine pain and defected. You have in the space of a few days. Your entire career has been put on hold as well as I mean had you feel so I mean t is going through facebook. I think it was Thursday last week. Just watching Queen after Queen. Plus my Gig. My gigs have been canceled and stuff. Have you sort of been touched a lot of the other Queens? Like how is watching that unfold again? I think we've been touched with one another and like initially. I think we will kind of our K. because we I don't think we thought about the severity of this situation and the length of it because he saw venues close. We saw small venues to be like well. We can have a one hundred eighty people in because we're this big try another week. I don't think we all kind of grasped how long this is going to fall. And I think it's only been in the last few days Constantly listening to these updates in. It's like six months at least six months and I think that is kind of scary thing I think. Initially I was like well. We can do this. Show I'll have a month off. Whatever because mountain. Everyone will be fine and I think it's a now that we're kind of going like all-share like I think you make a really good point like there is a reason that people go to a boss. What's Drag There is a beautiful Personal connection that happens there but in this time that we can do this. It is quite incredible to see Queens like Lexi Gaga doing a show from her leaving Raymond. That's the style Are you going to be taking your stuff online more? Yeah I think. Initially I had really big reservations because for me. The magic is kind of lost. When you take a drag Queen Bob. Because it's all about energy and the environment the spices and being able to make contact with certain people in this jokes that happened with that and I was really kind of against it towards the beginning but I was in drag on Friday when Lexie was during her live. And I'm like I'll let me jump in. I'll do it talks about with you and before that happened. I was watching her. Show intro Watching her like going into a drag number and I was like wait a second. I think this is fine. It made me really happy. I was like if I'm feeling this. I'm sure lots of other people a feeling that that I guess. The issue for a lot of us is a lot of our work is actually on a microphone. It's interacting with ropes. And that's even though you've got comment sections in everything it doesn't feel the same. They delayed they like not coming in at the same time. So we definitely lose that element in a lot of skills. Really thrive on that type of interaction. It's kind of a new world but yes so I saw her do that. I joined it for that. It was really fun. It made me really happy so we did a live stream on Sunday for piano. Because that's the only outdragged night and I think that went really well because when we finished it. I got a lot of messages from not only like regular patrons in Queens fit also people that had never been out of cer shirt before the IT brings it brings it into the the fines and the laptops of people perhaps in rural areas. That can't get to venues POPs out. That can't be seen seven venues and even to people around the world that wouldn't come in San Mateo like I got up early for this. What it's a whole new territory. I don't know how to navigate it just yet. It's a different world there. Even huge events like repulsed dragon in the. Us have also been postponed How does the closure of such a large event burned quick community as a whole like imagined sober? Many vendors have lost so much of well. That's the thing. 'cause what drag on is is across his acquaintance but this sorry mini. Dr Related businesses that invest and rely on an treading new connections and networking and everything and they usually travel. There's a lot of trouble from overseas. I one thing I'm trying to really push not to be selfish is hosting yes or whatever but there's like thousands of thousands of thousands and thousands of other people that are in the same boat and they notice lucky. Someone like me. Who At least has a large network of people that? I could chat to choke to contact these people. The jobs distant taken away from them and now the now stuck is leading in the house. It's like I've been talking film Bucks who is the assistant director for the Broken Hill Festival which is meant to be happening in September? And we've had those discussions with like. What is this going ahead like what happens? We need a plan. Bay affects a lot of people. But yeah it's really hard sort of I think that's the hardest part actually. Is the uncertainty of the length of time Because he you're right. We use the nearly like appreciate it. We also sort of. Oh a month. That's easy we can do that but yeah not knowing. Where is that going to go ahead is Mardi Gras? GonNa go ahead next to you. Know Midsummer Festival going to go ahead next week even like when Ovalles international travel cancels outside. That's a category credit in October. I'm going to go and do this. And then you think Boras it going to be open for like twelve months like I think as people when we have kind of parameters or a deadline is great. I can work towards that. I was saying the suspect to a friend. She's a costume designer and she's lost. Olivia work because of the she does costumes for like drag queens in pole dances and less people and all of that stuff is stopped at the moment. She's even does wedding dresses. The weddings is stopping. I was like if this had not date I I know I would feel more inspired and motivated. Because I'm like all right. Well we've got two and a half months in I in that time. I can do this this this and this but because there's nothing ahead of me like I've been you learn about the sort of the small venues you know. You mentioned Jhelum Piano Bar. We had Anthony Spin from data's on the the cuss last week. I'm talking about how it's affecting them. Do you think doc has smaller venues are going to survive? I'm I'm petrified. I've spoken to some of the girls and I'm like there's a few scenarios like one. What if these venues like even the eighty six like if these venues survivor? We weren't had their spaces anymore. And my other like paranoid fee which I should be investing anytime in. I'm like well. What if people really get used to sitting at home watching livestream that has crossed my mind but then after being in lockdown for a week on my arm the day that allowed out I will be fucking partying coming picked up? That's the flip side to it too. Because I said this last night to a frame drag queens in deejays insurers always used to entice people to come to sit venues. People aren't gonNA nate those for like they just WanNa go out so My other theories will win kind of useful. Wake on a kind of a where Cherry on the top. I think I think the Melbourne venues have a strong loyalty to their cleaning and genuinely care about the welfare of their performance. I mean I've I've had ono's from venues and I didn't even perform regularly checking to see that I'm okay So I I I hope. And I feel like Melvin. At least uninsured similar. I'd love venues around the world. The Dow spaces would would make sure that they are getting back to Queens performed with and I think I think in area that people don't realize for most of the drag Queens out bread-and-butter is private events is like hens parties and birthdays weddings and of us all of those canceled environment. And it's that's another place where maybe we weren't needed anymore. People are GonNa have the money to be executed for the year. I think quite lucky myself when I 'cause I say I've had to cancel in our X. amount of weight slush months ahead. A lot of the my clients have been really good and they've been like no we just price parenting. Our kids hate the deposit. We WanNa do for a blonde and see I had to do a few refunds and stuff which is the scary thing today when you like. Well this is the Meta Buddy. I have for the next forever. You probably already spent business but We'll see we'll say we just remain positive in heart that people in our still love drag pretty well. Speaking of money I mean. We've seen the heartbreaking photographs of people queuing up for sentencing queues around the corner All across the country. I guess no one was ready for a pandemic like these. Especially since link was scintillating. Wasn't good at the best of times I never. It's a bit of pressure on it completely. Crippling I'm eating the government stimulus arrangements for newly unemployed people as being adequate. Do you think they're addressing the so? I can only speak on behalf of myself. I've never dealt with Celtic in my life in my entire adult life so this is hope completely been a brand new process on and off the phone for four and a half hours yesterday. It was horrible. Yeah I was like Oh I don't Wanna I don't WanNa go into abroad because I think that's really contradictory to social distance. Stanton alive for three hours. All I can say is I was happily surprised when they announced that were kind of looking after sole traders as well which is I've never been applicable to anything in life because I've been self employed and I you know if I lose my job like well. Let's you all your job so from thinking when this happened that I would have nothing coming in. And that was that Come to come to pace with that to hear that that I can get some money that will hopefully Cover my rent and my utilities. Like I'm quite happy with that. The person is a cake in like a piece of crap but at least it's getting me something to do positive way of yeah like. I still can't believe that I'm GonNa get money handed to me. Help me out. I've just always fended for myself completely. My entire life like so to someone actually helped me is great i. I'm sure there's a lot of people that look at it but that's not enough. That's you know you've shut down half the country that's on enough but I'm just grateful for any assistance whatsoever. I fully agree with that coming from a country like South Africa. The government doesn't help you whatsoever living here where government actually gives you something I mean. It's not always like the absolute best but it's just. I'm grateful for anything really. Yeah I felt like when that came through I. I was in a group conversation with my piano bar. Girls that work with me there and then came through. I could just feel like you're white. Come off our shoulders because it's like okay like we're not in this alarm because we were already looking at like how it could support each other. 'cause I know they have different skills? Jose gale made me some dresses. Cory graff something for me. Like I think we're grateful that at lace definitely I think my mom and she's like well that's what in taxes a four pack Lynch on a bit of a light. We have seen the rise of a secret LASAGNA. Delivery Service and like GIN distilleries pumping out hands. How does like a drag queen? It up to this kind of new reality will going through. I think at the very Leith Roku digital but on the other side drag queens that can offer a different sevice me. Save a lot of drag queens in multi talented that they'll make costumes although duscher mixes Although style wigs so I know a lot of them assigned to tap into that. The issue is all the drag Queens that would normally buy those aren't employed but I'm sure there's a lot of people sitting hunting all eight that week. That'd be beautiful for what I got to go to the that the livestream definitely helping with a lot of a lot of Queens Putting pay To help them out for donations I was talking to another from Chicago. T. Rex and she was like how you doing article though Blah. She's like you just to put like a pipe. How late like ever to help you? They tip the tip and I was trying to explain to her that the tipping culture is non-existent in Australia. And I was like that. It would have giving money doing anything 'cause and she's like you put makeup. That's doing something they'll pay you like the concept of like taking money for nervous it is like a trillion two so this that but then also a lot of queens of really pushing the image at the moment. And that's where I sit. I feel comfortable like at least I've given you something for your money so you can buy to show Some of the Queen's like May and felicity for Pacino in Sidney in had her in Sydney we We are up on the caveat website. So you can spend like ten bucks a really popular. Yeah Yeah and a lot of the ones that people booking with me. They'd be like I really want you to say anything but I just want to give us a buddy haw. I'll try to be funny. Thanks yes avenues. If you do want to help out a local go that you used to saying joined. 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After Show: Christian influence in Australian politics & corporate sponsorship at Pride

The Gays Are Revolting

33:01 min | 4 months ago

After Show: Christian influence in Australian politics & corporate sponsorship at Pride

"This is a lip media podcast. We acknowledged the traditional owners of the land on which we are recording. We pay our respects to. They'll pasta and present and the aboriginal elders of other communities who may be listening today so welcome to the after show. I'm speaking of money israel. Oh so we talked about the israel. Okay so we thought that would be the end of it. We just a little recap for anyone might have misled episode flowers. Rugby player and stralia of island sense is a christian by face And there are some absolutely wonderful christian people at. He is one of this. He posted on instagram. A very tacking me with which christians are really good at finding like the really blurred out picks. It's always like a picture of gaul. Oh yes down the beach and it's like oh god was here so he posted one saying i was think it was adulterous drinkers holistic. Which basically coming every sexual will go to help beach part. I'm looking forward to right. Rugby australia awesome. Take it down because they obviously are trying to become quite progressive as sports organizations which. I'm really impressed by the nfl. About las lives. We talked about the nfl and the since they're taking try and make sport more inclusive people take. It was a breach of their social media. Polcy refused to take it down. It became quite public and eventually he was sacked from the rugby from the rugby. So we talked about it. That was just finished last time. Now since then. The prime minister has waiting. He has very much siding with israel. The religious freedoms act the. They're trying to pass or they're talking about. They're working on the bill at the moment. Yeah the prime minister and the right wing right wing Using israel i believe as a poster boy for the and it's become a bit of a scary conversation. There really become a lot more than just israel flowers so israel's now since launched before we go from one on on a different side really gotta thousand dollars from. The australian christian lobby is an initial pledge. Now that's donations. That people have made the australian christian lobby which we should be very clear separate to the catholic or christian church bought is a christian organization in australia that is supposed to promote the beliefs of all christian paper. That's when you put the money in the thing that goes as church. Part of it goes to the worst part of it goes to the medical hakkas does so yes and the literally millions of dollars which is discussing because israel. I was already on a four million dollar several properties in very affluent areas. I believe has yacht has several very expensive. 'cause is a very wealthy man and does no money for legal fees are well. He was defending a being like mine. Lawyers like costume million is also being some more experts that have gone on the news and said there is no this. 'cause he was aiming for three million. These legal experts was saying. There's nothing like actually using it for that. He could literally just go on holiday but again guys get some from the point. The point is no one is looking at these raw flour and thinking you need money to collapse. People are looking at him going. I'm pissed off because of the the results of the marriage equality survey and he's being used as a to fuel backlash to the rights that we as the rest of the lgbtq community have gained over the last several decades. And i think looking at this. I five money towards the middle of the oj. Logical it is. It's less about the person because to be on us. I don't know how many white mayo members of the startling christian while we actually care about the brown brothers sporting career but it is a ideological in that this stands for something else for them young. It's frustrating because it's a one topic. We can't stay ahead of we record this every week and it feels like this could be a topic on the show every concert. Something stupid happens with it like the day off to we record and i think it's kind of discussing that. It's hit this really topical soft spot for a lot of people because obviously when it comes to people of color in this country we want to support them as best we can. Yeah and also the arguments about whether these religious beliefs and ideas come from within that coach in the first place columbia. It's kind of like a maze. You can get trapped in if you're trying to get yourself on the the morrow right. It's like supporting combat. It's a hard thing to talk about. Is he's background. I don't want to say that people from scenarios and send beliefs wrong and when it's confrontation i started. He said that well. If you're going to tell me off. Yeah bane being torn with religious beliefs. A lot of people in rugby league My background that had the same place. So it's really nice. No it's not about also from but it has been nice to see a lot of people from different backgrounds in the rugby league. Come out and say we just hang on socks go fund me. Shut him down and some of this hour or so. Yeah they're just people like you. We believe in our religion. You're going down beautiful. Religious people practice christianity in the right way and love all. And then you get these people that. Just focus on weird. That's the bible lockdown into it and use these horrible platform spread there and it's so enraging and you lose because you kind of like skies in melbourne. We live in this bubble and we. I get that this happened. Like a man they all these kind of country people and like i feel like a lot like in the country. There's a lot of heavily. Religious people get that outside of melbourne. I think what we need to be on. This story is not so much israel allow. Why was why is he being the poster. Boy they saw hughes first attempt file. They jumped on board with it now. This is a very very successful. Lobbying group I don't know what the comparison is. But they're they're right wing christian group and and they pretend to be all about oh christian beliefs. There was a really interesting graph. So when they. I sort of became quite prolific in the political saying that somebody in two thousand twelve when they first become quite prolific and he looked went through every single press. Release that they'd release as people say all. Maybe we just believe in god so you would think well that means you probably talk about all. Of god's yeah. My mom says three every single press release they released in the two thousand and two hundred and twenty of them were ojt. I is the next. Highest number was human trafficking that had twenty one. Foreign aid was the next one eighteen press releases on foreign aid to abortion drugs and alcohol. The homeless atheism asylum seekers one press release h. and the lgbtq community got one hundred and forty. So that's what it gives you an idea of what this is really knocked scary to see. How much influence they have over our yet. Such a big influence in the last election that we had like prior to scott robertson coming to power and becoming prime minister was very always that labor. We're going to win. And then sort of within the last few months they really campaign they put out leaflets. They did marketing online. A lot of information misinformation. They just talk twist the money to print shit at. There were a bunch of schools up at the northern queensland that they put out leaflets the parents being like you need to vote for the liberals because of this and that and it was just like so expect. chris obvious. See australia after what was at as a christian country and now little sit alone judeo christian beliefs. We've evolved a lot over time. I didn't realize how much the numbers have changed in the last few decades nineteen sixty. Six census eighty eight percent of australians identified as christian. Yeah which is understandable. I would have thought it wasn't much less than that Ninety one it was seventy four percent two thousand sixteen fifty two percents history. Yeah i saw that statistic. And i wonder how many of those people actually like practicing christians down down. I mean my parents put down crush. I asked them. They wish but that's because they were baptized christian and know nothing because even less than that so why is company wise. His it is a company really. But why is this organization got so much klatt and it's the money they've gotten and because there are charity. They've got anonymous donors. We didn't really where their money's coming from. It's pretty scary. I find it terrifying that someone in power has such heavy christian will like religious beliefs to dictate decisions. I mean it sounds stupid. But i mean i've just recently gotten into the handmaid's tale and honestly doesn't seem like that farro that high. I've i've just seen one and it's just it's very scary. It's vying on. Yeah it's very scary. I think industry we have perceived culture and we have a actual culture and whenever we discuss things like this. When i talk about this stuff with my friends. I think this is a big issue. Especially for people of generation is we have a perception of what the cultural massive australia thinks and believes and puts the votes in money behind. But it doesn't necessarily reflect in line up with what votes tallied at the end of the day and how people were actually voting. You'll ever see season six of angel. Where he time travels and he has a baby with his own mother who than becoming an alien god. The brain washes hallway anyway. That's besides the point. It just reminds me a bit of that is why we walk around thinking with this liberal kind of cool trendy freethinking supportive environment but the budget the votes and the people in power in the people that have the money. doesn't necessarily river and issues that we have a interesting that you bring that up because i was chatting with you. Know i was chatting with my fiance's oh his brother's boyfriend who's from america. And he was saying that. Like when i was first introduced austrailia i thought it was just really liberal place and then i moved here to be with joy and he was just there. I didn't realize i got here. How racist and how lying religious faith so much discrimination anywhere. Besides maybe to australia. But it's very quietly the because it's the perception that we have because if we're going to look at statistics ivan so today like in the history of the number times. The labor party has been in. Power is just like minister when you said before it was like joe woods before it was like it was very obvious. Labor was going to win the but that's a perception. Yeah because of the culture that your hot of and the perception that you have of this country a very fairly good estimate because of the results of the marriage equality survey but we sort of felt like we were going in the right direction. I think the interesting thing from that statistic said before which is in two thousand six hundred fifty two on the fifty two percent of people identified as christian. And as we've said even less of those people are practicing. Christians is actually not about who is a christian. Its the christian lobby has all of this. Money is so good at spreading mission that they put stuff out there that actually put christian lobby on on these flyers and information out that specific trying to propaganda. Basically for the right wing. It is not necessary based on christian beliefs or even identifies as christian websites social media accounts. And that's with stuff. Its name from the bank. And that's actually coming from joe at i and what. What really fucking shit. sorry. I'm talking about but i give is really one of my whole. I hate them so much. What really fucking sheets me about them. In the way that they talk about us and the entire community is whether they compare are suffering so organizations like the aco us religious freedom or freedom of speech. Bullshit as if to compare what they're going through what israel flowers going through as if it's what we're going through now. History of suffering is being hunted by the police watching that community. Die of fucking mystery disease. Politicians ignore the factor. leaving system. wouldn't say the name of the disease fighting for the same. Basically garages are straight counterparts. And even suicide like how trans siblings being mooted at a disgusting right. And yet people like is ruffle out in the trailing criminally. Be think that they've being vilified. Because i'd say wow sheet about other people and social media freedom heterosexual privilege. That's fine sauce. He wants be legal to spread hate. In the era fi- it's so scary and even get into the nitty gritty of the words being used. He keeps saying that it's what he believes. What he does and his private life and social media is not your if your account has been built up because of the work you've done. We we rugby australia australia. Have a bye on that social media account and they're allowed to have some influence over what's being done just you can go stand on the straightened yellow. You like if your boss says you can't. Then he literally had a job to do a sign that he's going to do a job he didn't do job he got fired faulk. It's so embarrassing. Doesn't come straight to my mind but a really good tweet. There's always stuck in. my head is the at. Its core a lot of strategy and coach. As some extremely conservative exclusionary ideologies maas by the veil of laid back golden hotted easygoing sort of camaraderie. But the numbers don't reflect that Legislations and potties and political latest daren't reflect that and anyone. That's you know like your friend. Mikey myself felt in this country. That when push comes to shove that is not reflected and much like in angel you can't always trust your perception of how things are going to go politically in this country. There's a phrase coined. This silent majority code the quiet. Australians because when it came to passing marriage equality for us it did feel like we are in the majority. I'll voices are so loud. The people that hold these really conservative opinions and will vote on them and take action on them are actually quite quiet and not speaking out in public they are. I hate to say this people like my mother and my father and my family who will shake your hand in the street they will come to. God forbid your wedding or do they were ten and they will smile and they saw vote because we still got a sixty seven percent result for us in the. That was a silent to do that. Well yeah what is it. Sixty four percent of statistics and not. I think it's actually more to do. I do think the majority of the raelians. Australians do support our our rights the the problem in the situation. The money that's being raised is by that forty whatever percent that voted against us the christian. Niger quiet giving the money can go out and print chinese mandarin flyers telling telling people which also the people that were quietly funding social media accounts that we're telling people that if you vote for labour you're going to lose all of this money when you die and people inherit they're gonna have to pay a death tax which was never a this shit they promote that actually has nothing to do with christian values. Yeah they do because really what all they are is a front for. The extremely hot money talks a lot more. When you didn't know yeah i think so. Many people donating. I grew up catholic. do you. I don't know why of the bible stories always remember the story about jesus going into the temps of the temple. There was all these like people selling shade and charging money to go into the. Yeah and jesus went down was like why the fuck you doing. This temple temple is a place of worship and he liked destroyed. The stands was like yelling at all. The people in this to me that i just remember that being like a symbolic memory of what jesus is supposed to be about. It was like she. Don't try and make money. Don't try and fuck people a look to pull people be a good fucking a really good mascot to have religion built on the site would be really good and to me. Is ralph allow an exciting christian lobby using this argument is basically sort of the temple and the gays and and al supporters are. Jesus going what the fuck using this as. Yeah anyway and this is the bible. According to thomas get yours now stranger your marriage thank you very much for giving us money and really do appreciate it. Tell your friends. We'll have a bonus episode. I think nearly every week and cowan report the australian christian lobby much angel. Some time kids actually disbanded. He's doing yeah all right so you may have been missing us this week. We didn't have a regular episode on having a little break even going resting for a lovely patio members. We wanted to at least have something to share to get you. Through the way to say thank you for subscribing after a busy dina. So this is going to be. This is definitely not recorded often three hours so we're a little bit into pride month in. It's a big topic yesterday. I thought we could sort of share some of our opinions about it because familiar. I think one of my main takeaways from month. It's a us face celebrate that. We don't technically celebrate australia. But what am i. Take away from it is. It is a time for a lot of gay men to have a lot of opinions very loudly. More than usual widow days. Bution us and that to me is kind of a celebration of pride is being able to get on our social chat about it and really spout some real soap boxes for the entire month as wow. This is one sided. It's i think that's a really important thing most seriously what i do take away from. Pride month is visibility. I think that's the case. That's the reason why we have marches. That's the reason why we have pride. Months is sometimes we can forget that there are members of our community who live much smaller shouted lives and the little patches of visibility can actually make or break their day familiar. I always remember many years ago. Not being widely out and proud and just little things like seeing the rainbow flag sticker on a dole walked into a business or when. I signed up for the gym for the first time saying that. They're made me realize oh. I can breathe literally cy okay. I'm going to be okay in this space leaders. Men's through the door in some ways being visible queer person is like being a walking talking breathing. Rainbow flag dicta for members of our community. That may not be out and proud yet on may not be situation and descend sorta ramu but i understand the being out and proud in some ways a privilege as well. Some people on afforded the soda privilege to be as vocal and public about this sexually as the four of us so for me. Pride has always fundamentally been about visibility. And it's a month to be more visible than ever. Maybe in my case being more noxious how you. But it's a broad topic as well as little things to touch on one conversation that i think is a hot topic in this current. Political climate is corporate sponsorship of prior your month branded products. You can buy with a rainbow flag house me today. Not seen on twitter a few times. Your xbox is pride control the avalanche for the watches similize spam and my opinion on this kind of stuff is a lot of is clutch and for your pink dollars and the best way is if if you want to support him in its entirety pride month. Joe is supporting your local businesses and independent artists. We are artist and people that you legitimately no a supporting the lgbt. 'cause i think corporations xbox don't necessarily require your off during pride month look playstation. It's not a tough time of year for xbox for your local bookstore or your local That can make or break a month for them social. So that is my two cents of that. Yeah this is something that. I disagree with people a lot to hate me. Send me high. But i kind of look at this corporate sponsor. Look a lot of it's tacky fish. I totally agree. And i'm not gonna go by littering rainbow sandwich chains. That looks appetite. The exciting is they're putting their night the brand name and they've banking the dollar. This and maybe this is the way of working out whether or not winning in a capitalist world when these protests were happening when stonewall was happening or you know when you look at the hasty rights here in melbourne for for example monograph in sydney people literally denies printed in newspapers. And they would be fired by the employer for the fact that they were transferred by that was allowed to happen. And the fact that we've in the forty years since is legal in the state of victoria and since the first monograph in sydney the fact that we've gotten to a point companies now willing to put rainbows sheet on the at least rain. Bottles is sort of exciting for me and i have a problem with it. It's basically turning into into the gay. Christmas companies release a christmas version of the crucible. I know that they're doing for money. And i know isn't it exciting. Now that we've become such movement that it is actually beneficial for companies to celebrate privately flash. Now there is exceptions to that thing you know. I think people should still be doing a little bit of research and if a bank you know well yes. Even harder hotline. What's countries that. Have corporal punishment for algebra. Ti people within that something. We need to be concerned about if it's a line that flies refugees to detention camps. And that's something that we should be cautious of as well but you know if in her. She's wanting to release a rainbow colored looking chocolate. And yeah they do like sorry. That's what i think. There's a fine line that the like it's about being informed and yet choices absolutely. They are circumstances where members of the lgbtq community cannot afford to support. You know they have to choose whether dole is go to the gates rolton patriots. That could be a decision between a independently funded. Lgbt podcast or a bottle of rainbow listerine. And it's about making the informed decision of yes way way. Richard scully supporting like. Because that's my thing. Like i think it is great that these big companies sipping fordham supporting pride month. But at the same time. I would rather give my money to accompany whether they're big or small that actually giving back to the community and that's absolutely supporting something that community needs like in america. There's a bunch of different big companies like bloomingdale's they re released a whole swimwear line and a bunch of the proceeds go back to wolf and like a bunch of different like youth programs that i think is about fifty percent of their proceeds. Go back to that. Which is amazing. And that's something that i would love to money towards. Obviously we don't have that here but something here in australia brands. Do they have like done so most of it. No but a lot of them do this thing of putting the rainbow and they have starts from them supporting their stops. I'm creating internal support sections yet or policies about lgbt. I people within the organization thinking of midsummer festival. I worked with australia. Post now strategy post if you want to buy a stamp and send a letter. You don't have a choice of the rainbows on for for meet some festival. Yeah strategy which is basically our pride on. Yeh said that you go on you. Use their services. They are australia post. You don't have a choice. They started doing the visual stuff. Because it started with an internal okay looking off their voice because they found that of all the major or ministry. They found that they had one of the lowest amounts of stuff out in the workplace or the highest amount of closer to stop because they did a quiet survey saying a you open about your sexuality in the workplace and they had a huge amount of people saying no. So they're like right. Well we need to do something about it got high. I started internal stuff to support their stuff and then decide right. Well we need to show everyone that. That's what we're doing so that lgbt i people feel comfortable coming in working at workplace. Seek dot com. Today you seem laughing and they now have stalls at fistful and stuff so does stop because yes they might not be donating money and obviously sony or whoever was on. You probably have the money to be doing that. But some of these companies if they are at least creating great workspace the employees i think they deserving of mugniyah rainbow productivity logo for the month. All i think it's about being informed of those the corporate environments that led to these things. People are literally marketing for money. And and where going. It is great to an extent to know that we are demographic that is now sought after this some high level but it's also acknowledging that they're gonna lose money from people that don't yeah i think's really exciting as well but ultimately i don't have a huge problem with it because it still raises visibility To see gay products in a supermarket is a pretty great thing. I think during pride month even though it's not officially here you can start to think. What can i do myself. And a lot of these workplace initiatives. Tom's mentioned through stop from a single individual. Absolutely and it can be as little as asking you manager boss. Can we put up a rainbow sticker in the doorway Do a silent survey of your workmates. An interesting you talk about the fact. That pride month isn't actually here and yet we are very aware of mental. That's what it is. How how much this theoretical and has penetrated the real world. I would say penetrate very melvin. This is the quietest month for the good weather. And this is that was actually asked me. He's like wooden is australian pride month. But i guess for melvin like alpine mom is midsummers january february and very sad of march when monograph on that i guess what event on the holiday because places. Yeah one of my favorite parts of pride month. Grime crisis elva an advertising firm. Like i actually really liked the i. call them. Adverts like the really emotional kind of adverts and like short movies and stuff into the lehto queer coming out. I get stuck in these youtube holes. I just watch like so many. And i'm gonna cry. You're holding hands seattle straight people coming in they're like oh god i say maybe this is. Maybe this is why. I like this. Is i remember when i first saw going to meet some festival fifteen years ago. Jesus because i didn't wanna be on the tran stay in my short shorts messing with no but it wasn't i mean some official with melbourne's gay pride festival starts at the big potty in the in the botanical gardens and it's massive. It's one of the biggest in so much fun and you know you can. But when i when i first i going so scared going there. Because the rest of melvin. You wouldn't even know. That was all but these this year. You know you go to meet some festival and you say the boards with sharon from finance on them. You see transit. Dolly diamond on the front of them Holyfield during the ads for our mit. We feel like celebrating that. And so if there are companies that want to put their name to it and agile. I love them. All of the companies that want to be involved with a fistful. Have to give money to the fist. That festival wouldn't be happening without the financial donations from corporations. I'm finally thought. And if it's making the hall of not realize kids on their shoulders off so lovely. It's yeah it's a beautiful time and give us your money so that inspired you you can donate to up patriot. Act membership studied all got dressed upgrade donation or so. It'd be joy this episode pleasing curry job. I was thinking what a missed marketing opportunity paisley pointed that you can also maybe go and like support your local businesses. You could go and check out. The hasn't hyenas bookshop roy. I can go and check out eagle leather. If your little stuff yeah You've also got the entire of dials. Food based around shops and venues. Check all that stuff out. Yeah thanks so much a tuning in fairly after show even though it wasn't after another show we are having another way off next week off the main show but we will be releasing the after show for you because we want to look after a little patrick that sense. I say you'll get a little a little after shy but always other fuck as minds to you then go

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After Show: Zoom sex parties and gay bars post-COVID

The Gays Are Revolting

28:58 min | 9 months ago

After Show: Zoom sex parties and gay bars post-COVID

"This is mania podcast. So. Thank you for tuning into our after show. We love. Thank you for your support. For this week's episode, we're going to be talking about gay spaces I mean being person advocating through this pandemic has been very interesting to see all our old kind of stomping grounds and now gays basis predominantly bars and clubs I would say. Online format has become such a big thing for so many people and the creativity showing from our community and the places that we normally go to is being really inspiring, and now that kind of laws and stuff are lifting and we're starting to kind of trickle out into the social spaces. Trick Lab. Salah. Talking about me, trick. Now. That were trickling out. Yeah, while things lifting like I had my first meal outside of the House the other day which raises real are wait for Bosnia things and stuff like that. Sorry for now. But. It will be interesting to see how they've all kind of change of any of them had renovation. I think it's so interesting to see to OSCO. So what do we want to see change in spaces? Thoughts more boss. Places in the states have Gogo boy Bosnia true. I mean he'll sometimes sick. But it's like a scene. Because I feel like every instant thought that you follow. He's like always out on the weekend you always to go boys. States. Yeah. The last time I got up. And I was I was living. Stumbling home in the Lemesh Best Yeah. I remember the question often I got up and then. The tense for Yoda was like, put it back on. Exit Stage Right. I kept going Kazoo was good Fox. Joel. Stern. Now putting your clothes back. But yeah. This pandemics giving everyone especially people in the Chris base a lot of time to think about what they want from US bases. And we spoke in so many times about straight people coming. Chow spaces like Bachelorette parties and things. And it's always going to be about US feeling safe in our space. I would like to see better security and things. You know one of the things that really bug me waiting in line to enter a gay bar or club winter aligns. It's not the fact of waiting in line waiting next to a very public space. Has always been really confronting to me especially if Lulu lines long and you have to get handled. Safer spaces into wait to get into. Is that fair? Yes. I I. Do You don't know how many. Jews are. In the late nineties early nineties was the thing to buy foss was Smith specific key ring remember going to the market. It would be a specific hearing but the market, which is now the Alley Emerson. Emerson. So. The literal. They had they had killings, but the market keyrings, where did it was an actual shopping was a shopping. So it was like a motto. Die Cost Model of shopping choice. He put it in your pocket and it would dig into your PA awake. But no, it was. It was. By Two Distinct memory of being I think like eighteen lining up for the beat Mega Club and Brisbane. One of my first few times like going out drinking and a guy like waiting line and the guy pulls up at the lights and the Kyle and it was like, oh, it's like Fox one of the jocks from high school he's like, what are you doing man I was like having allow you know what I like what he? Yeah he was like this whole and I was like Oh God please don't Green Drove off, but it was very old. I mean I gave a news evolved. Constantly t to to meet the needs of what we wanted the places of protests places ration- that means six premises is when they could be and then they couldn't be sexual type premises You know when the eighty started a lot of had to be shut down. So they have constantly evolved. I, don't know what the next step is. I hope that they vaguely reminiscent of of recent times I love. I gave us but we sort of think you've got about being a post AIDS epidemic kind of thing. That they were in Melvin specifically back to the fifties those Now. Remember that he never fooled prohibition, but we did have time limits when you to buy alcohol because milk shop milk. On. Elizabeth Street and had a really camp name unaccountable the name of it but it's in the game as kyw's but that but even then we had we had a guy even when they gave out when they. Obviously like we have a lot of like gay men Baas and like we have a lot of gay men clubs which I love all the gay men and I'd love. To go out and hang added I. think it would be really great if these predominantly male spaces like white mass white males faces absolutely like sort of like held nights with they recognize transplant black people. Fought for arise in did fundraisers. Held fundraisers to support the Trans Community and held fundraisers to support have have. Events that are specifically directed towards. Sort of message and a movement would be really really. Behind it. That has a DJ that is of that community that has performers that is all of that community. Just went stepping for. Stepping in defense of of Moist Gabe? Albanese, they don't call themselves a game Nar. There's GonNa Lesbian Baas non most CDs, and you have to be a really large city to sustain a lesbian, but we have the glasshouse. Yeah. But for whatever reason culturally do you have to have a massive city to stain just one lesbian? Cultural differences why we have certain members of the community going to sit in venues in the old days when I say the old days I mean. It was gay lesbian buzzing spas didn't do that well in the gay Basel's where everyone else went. I think now gay bar or inverted commas don't on trying to create a gay bomb also there are. Other examples of the Peel and But most of them if we're talking about the eighty six Malia. Creating spices for the queer community. Absolutely. Term Gabba no. One's actually saying most most of us I don't think. Yeah we'RE ONLY CERTAIN PAPER But you are right that creating nights that sickly tyler awards. Your highlights highlight different aspects of community would be fantastic. People on outrages. Your fantastic. What mark is saying is inclusivity and and visibility doesn't happen by accident. Yeah. There's a purpose and there's an intense. That's what I want to mentality and what Mike is asking is in the new world order when we dribble back in whatever costs. Back East. Is that we want to be seeing some intent. From our community leaders and bar owners have had enough time to plan and we write a rainbow clubhouse is a good example of that. They're very new and the very upcoming. Bap Show Oh. WHO said at this is This is my space. I'm going to hand this over to Ruby. And maybe the intent and the belief exact that we need to be highlighting trans and a FAB performance. has tailored content to what you're. Saying like the things I think is really important about what's going to happen in the next six months is that like Tom said there's a culture that's engaged in the boss Sane. And and what we've seen from lockdown is that people that necessarily wasn't engaged in the bossing may now actually bay from lockdown because they've turned into live streams because the barriers that prevented them from entering. Were removed. This is people have different abled different. Able bodies have sorted Junin in people that experience social anxiety such as myself have started. You know watching more live scenes getting more involved in the community. Anyone that is a minority that is. ushered. Canal participate in the ball community of the nightlife that is like so integral to. All of us attacking we know like Oh we love this thing but for some people, it's an honor that can do it now they now they have they've got a taste of. Performers in the sane what are venues put on and they enjoy it And how do we make our spaces sort of? Them, as well while we trickled backout. Do we. Have Disability access. US I. Don't think we do it all of them. Can we please continue live streaming. For differently abled persons in our community can we continue that I've also? Sorry to interrupt. I've token. You have no. Very, quickly on lives or anything. Yes so we can continue livestream you're gonNA. have to pay for it. These people on community service and the venues that have been doing it fucking good on them and some of them have been able to monetize it in different ways. Unloaded artists have been have been live streaming going yeah. If you can check but that's not a sustainable thing. These are people that are desperate going look no other way before me, my life passion is performing. So I'M GONNA CREATE A. As. A short term thing. I definitely see what you're saying with the benefit towards able bodied people be able to access venues and stuff. It doesn't necessarily mean a free pass to anyone that wants to watch the show that's happening at a venue because there is huge that is if that's a theatrical production, absolutely I'm saying at least offer that as a service yes. Yes. monetize. Service I've been involved MBA's doing livestream. So I, totally understand that there were some efforts and costs. Involved in putting on these shows and that it isn't like. A free be and the performance of being. But I think a lot of people that I've spoken to are ongoing. Loving. Doing that it's like well, I'm going to keep doing that so you can see living room. Packed from down the road and pass it on the catch. We get it but I think a lot of consumers don't get the community I speak to you know when I'm on am I speak to the Weirdos don't go to the clubs because they feel really awkward and. I think those people really understand that because those are the same people that are on twitch. They monetize that they understand this is not the put online is. This this is a livestream is value and I think anyone that's differently abled understands. The having access is something is of of of value. But ultimately I think I agree with mocking the. INTENT TOWARDS curation, of of of the performance. Is really important as well as the inclusivity. Yes. Of people who have helped us through isolation as well. Vo talked about how wonderful the online community has been while we've been in isolation and the still bay that when we go back to. And They they still gonna be there but what can we do for them? So the only seen a lot of gay bars and installment that in the states that are sober as well. So it's not always like about drinking for a lot of people. Yeah. Kind of daytime. Yeah Thinking about is like it would have. Daytime events where it's like Yoga or you? Guys just kind. Of Run yeah. They were struggling to run the BAS the amount of people that are going to them when they were happening. Yeah. Yeah. Also people seem to and I hundred you and I have discussed many times about how we need to see more people and sage but I can tell you Mois Gabe is if you went to them and said I've got an idea they'll say well, I have three nights of the week that you'll welcome to try that out because I've got nothing else Andrea I, know willing to put anything. They need to survive they need to pay their bills. And the owners of most of the guy bars Melbourne and mostly from other cities. Yeah. I doing it not for money for a true passion like. Getting they would be only a lot more money. If they strip the place out, had it refitted into an interest rate destroyed So. Yes. The idea of making. Have daytime shows is ideal but the only way that's going to happen is they're making money, and for that to happen you, I think out about them online if they do start these online streaming services, which is a great year idealistic, but they can't just the don't just like Mr moneybags sending. Money going GonNa make you come and see the drags on Saturday not nothing else they have to. Unfortunately it's Not, business is a business we with love and passion and community spirit behind it in my teams I've actually met with a few. In the last two weeks I think I tell you. About ideas because at the moment, there's no actual Dighton Gabe bals can reopen. There have to be serving food at the Mike. The only dates we have is if they serve food, you're seated for the. visit and you have table service. Yes. The moment that doesn't really suit any gay Mellon. So a lot of them are revisiting how they currently operate unless mummies with. Develop a way that. Sit. Yeah Melissa say stay tuned. But if you look at how they operated beforehand and how they up right now. To right now what about if you ate my? Meal. Adelson. So you WANNA play. The other problem is that we have to be one point five meters away from each other so. He's the meal. If we put him on a Lazy Susan. Hi. Spinning around. Season a line. You. DRAG LAZY SUE St Goes Thrash Show on London. fucking good. Show anyone on. It was really good. But. I can't do that they need. News definitely looking at how Awesome what they're GONNA do to end and at great expense themselves to remain spaces for the community which. I was really loving right before the pandemic hitting everything seeing so many gay bars and spaces like that holding events like gay life. Yes like. Wholesome kind of I mean they make people involved but wholesome activities. And activities that don't always just revolve around getting fucking blinds wrong. Yeah. Yeah. So it's more comma dating to all sorts of people. Yet. So hopefully when we do venture trick. And things like that. I. Hope we do see more of that. And Ceramics and fucking painting and more things I don't just sit around drinking. I'm looking at make money. Savings is currently at the moment. The only way you're able to reopen is if ever unsated. And they're being served a meal and the getting table seven. Meal it can be a snack. No. Light to get my usual key. Cool. My. Family you. Tau. trae. Aside of AMMO. Yeah Oh Jesus. With that seat for this topic shooting every we. All in the physical space. But for the meantime thanks so much for joining in to our online quiz space Patriot we really do appreciate your support. View, my my name has been Thomas Jespersen. Do Such A. Radiation. The bug is be better hunger tax think he's Senator Janine We'll get you naked. One better sleep. 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Revolting? untucked. If you're listening to untucked you're getting off the. Store. Sued the shit out of us. Who's been doing zooming stuff chatting to people and and work purposes and things like that. Yeah. I just hosted a zoom with my like a trivial like a social because like. Teen of had to be stood down and that's what stuff we've did like a big catch up with everybody because we haven't seen each other for like six weeks and I review for that, which was lots of fun unnecessary faces. For some reason zoom has become, let the chosen platform of choice during this pandemic and it is pretty good like it's easy to use, which is probably the first plus and good functionality but as Members of the debate community we'll take some we'll figure out how to use it in a Way inside with the back of public toilet doors and we've really Really. evolved. So. Like I've done a few livestream Local coins and things like that. But what I saw online was that a few The article actually read was about a New York sex club hosting a moving like a lot of these drag queens moving the entertainment into the virtual space and hosting these sex parties via zoom way you can jump in and jump out you can mute you can show your counter or not can anyone joints are I just realized I use facetime soon. So how does zoom You. Yeah. You have a meeting card, but then you also have a code, but it has been proven that they can be guest. Yeah because I think. A. Lot of celebrities like Hamish, Nandy or like. Brian dropping into people's like work zoom meeting. into. Night, won't when I'm like joking offense coordinator Brian. Rice. That's exactly what I want. And not only just for sex purposes we've also seen nightclubs translate into the ZIM space with. You know one club quarantine gets three to four hundred people at a time zooming in. These performances in getting people like Chali XY x sort of hosting and making appearances. It's like going off at the moment How do you deal with three or four hundred little tiles on your screen? You can barely see a pixel I, think. In Zoom you can if you're the host, you can pick grain to focus on so. The way. POTTIES walk is that you would give a heads up. You can do a little wave of your about to come at event where you would be intended. Would become the focus screen and you would like pop up as the main thing to view. But you can sort of as the host figure out who's Onscreen, who's not on your screen sort of like when I kick Cayo out of live streams. Is Love. Stories which is ending. I love them because you can play with grain I set up stupid grains, great Myron but you can just do it through Zurich while the funniest thing to me is select to join a sex party on zoom and just like a bouncy costco or something. Like A hungry Jack's. McDonald's drive through or something is my. Real seedy. Something reuss eighty so I love it I. Think it's great and I think it's a fun way to keep those. Role play while not being. Well for a lot of people, these things as part of their structure and it's part of their life and what I talked about in the main episode is a lot of my coping mechanisms in terms of men and things like that a gone I ca, I don I no longer have access to them. So for people who had like sex parties or sex on premises venues as pot of their sort of structure and something that they valued in their lives and something made them feel some sort of way in a good way it's it's lovely. The the digital ages kept us. It's funny to say zooms going to crack down on this. That's Where all trading, this Azzam, a brand new thing which could. But for a lot of people in rural areas, this is this is you can't travel to the nearest. This is how you actually do it. This is a pretty standard thing for people in some areas. So. fucking running these things I know it. was like welcome to the club Oh do you guys remember Chat Roulette? Is that still go? Remember when you just turning eighteen nineteen and then you'd like be doing precincts and stuff like that, and you just log on like tro people and then every so often they did. I. Remember. When realize. Yeah I remember when webcams fist invented. Kyle. And they were really slow and incredibly. It had about six pixels in the entire screen that you have to run on a hamster wheel on it. Is that is it said someone joking offers a picture of a sweet potato. But Yeah I i. that's the funny thing I've been thinking. I might ask my boyfriend if webcams full into the boundaries of of what let's in in our relationship because. I've I've come across the Ford Pardon pump. But it's I'd like to join one of these parties. It sounds interesting I I have not jerked off on Cam for twelve years I reckon but. This is just excited about you being served. On my God I remember when I was nineteen or twenty, eight to two guys remember Cam for something like that and I used to log on and like I wouldn't do daddy south like my own remain on. But I just talked very different kinds of people and he like play Games try and see if I like number one camera without taking any. One. I go on Campbell all the not as not as a performance. That is this like one of my favorite porn sites to go to I really like I think the added element of the fact that you know the you're watching and happing live. There's something what about that? Yeah. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Cam for that's why I like spying. Trustee pair of binoculars will do me just running. I think it's also a good way to stay creative in these restricted times my favorite thing, and this isn't particularly gay sex related. But my favorite thing is the guy who filmed himself like opening his bedroom, Dole an excellent. From door. Italy opening his bedroom door and accidentally interrupting and shutting, and then he set that as his background meeting when he? When he's in the mating. So you're sitting typing along and people were watching and then suddenly his door opens in its him again. It's at funny kind of creative way zoom. Let you do that because like yeah. Even during the drag and stuff, you can curate what we've also seen a lot of create trivia nights and that sort of stuff have moved onto zoom. So they now running the like you. Still got the teams whatever shutting separate chat rooms, but then the talking through zoom to run the Trivia Nights, which is a great way of using it to to keep the community going one of the things that I've not use them whatsoever. But the only thing that I have seen of it is you guys know who? She's like an Australian comedian used to light in radar. So. She the one that's friends with Christian, Hull yes. Yes. She's great. She's so funny. She's like a real girl. Her in this other male like comedian. Funny Light skits together and like he's paying that Syria typical gay teacher and so they've been doing meeting ones hilarious. Sosa funny. I'm really enjoying the kind of content created by COMEDIANS during this time, this vision meat is. The comedian seemed to fight through like the half they they post incredibly depressed because. Gigs and then the other half like, oh I finally had time to write some new material. What about this? Yeah. So. That's the phone. For tonight or today whenever you're listening to this. Thank you so much for. It time is anymore. As there are no rules. There's no time I'd wind for breakfast. It's fine. Oh Yeah. Yes. Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you for being part of our patrons will let you know next time we have a live chat so you can join. Until next time we'll see you in. Cyberspace? Hey everyone. 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Lipp Selects: If You Don't Mind

The Gays Are Revolting

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Lipp Selects: If You Don't Mind

"This is mania podcast Hello everybody welcome to episode four of if you don't mind I am your host Madeline Sherrington and as usual. I am super stoked that you're all here with me on this wonderful journey that we call life damage stopping. I don't know if anyone else did this. In their kid The whole lack. I is worst. Second is best. Third is the one with the hairiest chests and force the Golden Eagle. I mean it's variations on this. You know a lot of them But this is the Golden Eagle episode. It's number four. How exciting and phone number for the Golden Eagle episode? We have a wonderful. Golden Eagle guessed. The name is Dylan. They are hilarious and very very sweet and kind and just just I think this seems to be a common thing with this podcast but a genuinely nice person. I'm really excited. That Dylan said yes. To being on this podcast. Not only because they have a really interesting Experience we've mental illness specifically anxiety and depression when they were quite young That left them feeling quite alienated from from their peers. But also because Dylan has been amazing at helping and supporting young Queer people who are experiencing homelessness and I thought it would be amazing for Dylan to come on and also talk about that because I think yes. We WanNa hear people's stories but we also want to hear about how he can help and how we can make a change so that was fantastic. Getting to hear exactly how that's happening in Australia. And all the different things we can do to support people who ah currently living rough or have a place to live. There is a little bit of a trigger winning here if you yourself have experienced homelessness and this is something that you feel like hearing about today. That's totally fine. You can press pause and come back when you're feeling to it. That's totally fine. That's how motor here but I think you're going to enjoy Dylan's story and all the things that they're doing in the community to enact change and help people it's just an it's just a really inspiring today. It's what we need from young people these days so sit back chill out. Take a load off. And let's get into it. This is Dylan. I hope you enjoy it so be stupid. Chill if there's like anything at all kind of feel like fuck. I didn't want to say that. Just flag a nights. I was just thinking I can. Okay cool so just bring the like a little bit closer to your mouth and make sure you speak into it. And you'll be fine. I can hear you perfectly. Hi Dylan Hi Mattie Saturday. And you're here I am alert coming in also. Thank you for letting me reschedule. This I had like the flu. I was sick and I was like fuck hot. Do this to Dylan again. So yeah I really appreciate you coming in. Yeah no worries. I'm really excited to be here with you. Let's amazing how is life going? Swimming in. Life IS PRETTY HECTIC. Really exciting about to finish my seventh year of UNI which is also my final year of your shit. Wait let me get this straight same degree. Yes seventy degrees. So I've been doing two degrees but it's taken six and a half years to do them. That's okay yeah that happens it has a yeah well it's been in conjunction with part time work and a lot of other volunteers stuff sir. I'm really glad that it's taken this long as just getting to the point now where I really WanNa finish to give you a sticker. You of just like assignments and exams. I Like I did my Undergrad and I also did my mouth which is only a year and I remember at the end of my mouth I was just like I don't want to rot another like. Sa Ever again. I'm already planning like what my snapchat and facebook person. They're going to be like lost clause. I'm just I'm dreaming about it and you know what you will also have like okay. I have not miss still about university. I still have them about the same time. I'm just like I remember the few nights ago I had a dream whereas late to my modern history and then I got there. I couldn't remember any of the quotes you know. You have to memorize quotes and I like well. I'm failing I'm not gonNA streams I think that's a testament probably to the fact that things need probably chain. Yes yeah they create the they call it so much anxiety that people are still having traumatic dream. Yeah I'd say in two thousand ten. That's a long time ago. Now it's fine okay doing so you're here because we're going to talk a little bit about your experiences with depression anxiety so I guess the first question is when did that all kind of start. I think I remember you telling me it was like high school that this started happening. Talk me through that experience. Yes high school is when it. When it kind of started happening I. It could have possibly started even earlier than that. But that's definitely when I started to realize and be able to identify what it really was. I did eventually become comfortable in telling my family about that as well. And then I got to see a psych which was really useful for me But by that time I've kind of already struggled with depression for many years and anxiety was something that I'd struggled with since I was really young for me. It was for me I I I suppose. My depression was much more of a temporary thing. Whereas anxiety is something that I've continued to live with for like well up until the present time. It's just now that I understand what it is and I've been able to live with it and and yet just start to understand my relationship with anxiety. It's become something that I've been able to be really proud that I've been able to live with it really well and be able to Understand the way in which it impacts me so it's become something that has affected me in a negative way much less but it's still something that I have to deal with and have to have those tools and support to make sure that I can deal with probably of course and when your anxiety symptoms dotted happening. What was that like for you? What was it categorized? By at the time Sir. It was predominantly social anxiety for me Sir For example one of the most terrifying things for me was just standing out of crossing a street crossing if there were other people around me on the same side as me. I was wondering they looking I made. I think I'm standing with my hand in the wrong place at the right place people across the street. Are they looking at me? All the people in the cause so that just like standing still. I felt like I was this glaring like there was something obviously wrong with me. That would be glaringly obvious to everybody or yet like I just couldn't belong. I just didn't understand social cues and things like that so I just felt I just felt like I was some alien that everyone would be able to see that I was some weird alien and I think a That probably stems in part from bullying that I did go through a lot at high school and a primary school But I think it just. That was really. That's probably the most like egregious example. Because if I was walking somewhere from a debate I feel like I was like semi visible like people wouldn't notice me because I'm walking but when I'm standing still felt like I was just so obvious to everybody I was terrified chatting with strangers. Even people that I knew I would always repay conversations in my head and like would be really slow to respond to people because I was always wondering about what what can I say I am. I saying it in the right way or the wrong way. And so that really negatively impacted my ability to make friends to maintain relationships with people and that led to aspire like it kind of was like a spiral because it was self perpetuating. Yeah that makes sense when you were a kid when you leave very anxious then like when you were four or five years old like going into a primary school kind of remember. I remember like I think I was always been so self aware because I remember like being very skated everything but did you. Kinda just wake up one day and realize Oh. I don't know how to communicate with other kids my age. I think it was eventually a realization and I think that realization happened in high school so I think I think I always felt different from other people and I was bullied a lot by other people. I remember even though I don't remember being anxious per se nor that everyone is classified me as a kid when I was really young but I think that kind of realization later on the actually I don't think other people feel the same way that either and have the same kind of fear of other people that either came when I was in high school. And you said to me that you actually potentially you will on the autism spectrum. Yeah so why did you think that I think it was because of Dr Google? And we'll anxious people should not be able to google anything. Yeah because that's what's even worse when you have anxiety everything dead tomorrow. Yeah but I did there. I think some kind of similarities. In things that are characterized as symptomatic of being on the spectrum and things that characterized as symptomatic of anxiety. And that kind of I was able to help distinguish those when I did go to CSI. Can they help after a few sessions? They helped me to identify that. What I was dealing with was actually anxiety and wasn't something to do with being on the spectrum. I also my best friend is also on the spectrum so that kind of because we resonated so well together I kind of felt like Oh maybe that maybe maybe that does help. Explain her as well. Now it describes and when you went to that site for the first time and you started talking about you know your symptoms and your experiences. What was that like? Was it like quite healing. I was terrifying. It was like even worse than normal anxiety because I felt like I actually to well it was like having to break down these barriers that I put up and then kind of reveal all the lease like thoughts that I knew would sound weird to somebody else and I don't know like I know I knew that this was a professional and they've had it before and everything but it didn't make any less scary for me but once I did stop going a number of times and he started giving me exercises to do and things to do whenever I felt anxious to write down how I was feeling what was going on around me. And he's he made me do it. He said like every time you feel anxious and I was like I'm just going to be riding on. I think he doesn't understand but that in itself helps me to realize that I was a lot of these thoughts that I was having were that they were irrational and that I was worrying about things a lot of cases that either I shouldn't be worrying about in the first place or that. Even if you know something you know even if I was standing at the crossing and someone did look at me and be like. Oh that person standing. What's the worst that could happen? As a result of that I think so yeah. I think I've done that that excises well like it's quite classic of state where they like right down the ghetto okay. How likely is this to happen? And you're like okay. Non Likely anything it. Did happen. What would you do? I guess I would deal with it and then you're like oh. I was big ridiculous until you write down on paper. This is the worst thing in the world. I don't know how to deal with it. Then when you actually Kinda get it down on paper you like Oh okay. That's a ridiculous thought and I'm not going to die. I'm no one cares what I'm doing. An anxiety is really liked. Sneaky because it convinces you that everybody does care and all these things happening and it's like it's super exhausting to have that brain. Yeah I'm sure you've had like similar experiences. Yes definitely when you get home. You're like that was just a look at that was so much effort just to navigate through the world without completely losing my mind and then and then at takes when you do get harm at the end of that takes away so much energy could be putting into something else like hobbies and stuff. You know. I'm going to do things instead. You just lie there you hate yourself and how will your family when you kind of came to them and you're like what did you come to them and say? I'm seeing you slack and this is what I'm doing. They helped me to find us. I yeah so they were very helpful. Icon remember exactly the context in which it came up. I think I might have even mentioned like being on the spectrum as a possibility and not lead them to take me to see certain people Yeah I can't remember the exact way that came on but I was really grateful for your the fact that they helped me to go see this like that many times I wasn't. I know that it was a big difficulty for my family. Because we're not very don't have a lot Certainly helped you. Yeah so I was really grateful for that opportunity and at the time. I didn't really think I was going to help me very much but having come out of it I realized that united that made such a big difference to me and moving forward. That's interesting how you you mentioned the whole financial side because I think there so many people out there who probably were in similar expect having similar experiences to US just cannot physically afford to go seek help. I guess you can get the mental health plan which will let you see like a psychologist for like ten sessions or whatever but if you've got like a super complex mental health disorder going on. It's just like crazy how inaccessible it is like I. Just that's something I think about a lot. Is that something like that? You're concerned about like the fact that young people just don't have that access. I'm definitely concerned about that. And I think I'm I think having gone through struggles with mental health and mental illness and being able to go and get help from psych and other experts being able to know how much that affected me and changed everything for me and made so much stuff possible. That wouldn't have been possible. Had I not gone in the first place and makes me really sad that a lot of people don't have that opportunity or they can only for such a small short amount of time? Yeah I think it's definitely something that needs to be looked into. How can we make this much more accessible to people and under there some advances happening? But there's still a lot done. It just seems ridiculous to me that you can have your your condition dealt with in ten sessions and especially as well when it comes to like getting on medication. Was that something that you like. That you went down nurse sorry. I haven't actually used medication before I've still so I still do experience anxiety and sometimes where it's worth particularly bad. I've thought you know maybe that's something to look into. But I haven't as of yet use medication so I've used a lot of other different mechanisms and I've got a lot of supports thankfully So I'm very lucky. In that regard anything a little bit different Nar intense meditation and like Agoura traits and things like that nothing. I do do some quick meditation so I like to do walking meditations. Get Out of the House. Go for a walk. I like to do little like ten minutes five minute. Meditations and I do have a net playlist which is like my meditation playlists. I'll play it And just stop in like tune into it Yeah and it's like I've got a new Google Hermit which I love and I one of the things that you're when I'm feeling super stressed. Dougal like help me relax and it just plays Nice. Sounds like natural? Sounds and it's just great to tune into it and like even if I'm focusing on something if I might have distracting thoughts and then it is a way to just limit them by dislike thinking about this like. That's a nice CICADA continuing on with whatever I'm doing mahomes gay the fact that it has access to information a little bit it yes very convenient and I do like the idea of being able to go home and be like Google chilly out. They'll say like. Can they get all my information that I mean I will I for one? Welcome robot or something like that creepy movie with like the. House like kills the Guy. I swear this movie where they have like a Perry constantly. They've made reference to it in a Simpson's episode with like the House of saying this the house is like has a brain and can control everything and then like mode is the guy because it's in love with the wife. I may have completely made that up. It's definitely the simpsons I mean therefore it must have been a pop culture reference. I mean yeah but if like I guess if I'm going down with Google harm control like so. Is everyone else down together the ad okay? So you're in high school. You've seen a psych. You're on the road to recovery. And then you move to Sydney's cracked I K- what was that like up up route. So where were you originally living? Don't tell me if you already. That's where I was living in Richmond. Which is like a foot of the. Blue Mountains and I was going to school in the Blue Mountains and sir. Yeah I moved out kind of Fest. Opportunity I got. I really wanted to live independently and I want to study at UNM. W I thankfully settling golfers Some extra support if you're moving along distance to get to uni so I kind of I moved out with the little bit of like one thousand dollar savings that I had moved into a place on campus which was very expensive. But Yeah afforded that. That's crazy well It was quite difficult. I did get a job. Pretty much straight away which was really great except I lost it pretty soon off towards what happened will I it was. It was kind of a new start up and much every everyone go five and replaced so I was yet again once again. Went Down with with everyone. That's fine but then yet quite a long time to find another job and thankfully the place where I was staying was lenient and they understood that I was struggling with with a bad situation but I was always had this fear in my mind. I'm going to have to move back to Richmond. I really didn't want to do that. And I. I was kind of living by me. Goring noodles like every meal. It was pretty bad sir. Yeah but eventually I did find another job and things were able to get back on track But it was very different. I kind of felt like I had to go back into the closet in a way really Because I had I had come out as queer at high school and there were all kinds of problems but also some victories and successes and some great moments with that as well but then going back going to uni. I was moving in with us into a unique combination with a bunch of strangers. So I didn't are and those people will often exchange student. They came and went pretty quickly so I could never get like developing strong rapport with them so it was always afraid of like do i. I've gotta hide everything about who I am and can't bring anyone harm icon. It was a big it was. I was just hardly scared of coming out and then being bullied out of my harm where I was staying sucks. That's intense yes. But thankfully there was a group on campus I found which is called the queer collective and most campuses have them essentially a group of students and I. I don't know like I didn't know that that was isn't and then I went to union collective and I was like Oh my goodness there are so many of us and it was great to learn a lot about the history of quote people. I didn't know very much about it. All it makes them amazing role models and it really transformed my life completely off to them service beautiful and you didn't feel like you had to hide anymore Well after the first year of living on campus I moved in with some friends from the quick collective so we wanted to be like twenty four seven. Yeah exactly and I was sorry freeing of course of course and like at this moment time. How is your anxiety? How was it like kind of operating your life going through his change trying to figure out what you still caught in the world in Sydney. Uni How was that? What was it like fear anxiety and just your general mental health. It was pretty intense. That was a period. Where I I guess. The whole of twelve and then that whole first year of union was very stressful. Because I kind of felt like if I screwed up it would really like take away all the opportunities. I had to succeed later in life which is totally wrong and but at the time. That's what everyone everyone at that age feels and yes. I was pretty terrified of you know like I said running out of my money having to be victimized someone finding out that I'm clear getting bullied. I was terrified that I wouldn't be a good uni student because I had no idea. What being a UNI student was like? Would I be able to balance everything yes? It was all pretty intense and I remember that was a particularly difficult period and that was one point especially in that first year of UNI where I had. I had lost my computer. I lost my phone which I'd my partner at the time to speak with me and I had no money and I felt like this is like I kind of felt like I had to face an ultimatum. Either give on everything now or I recognize that. This is the lowest point. I'm thinking to get and earned the go up from here and I decided to take a more positive for H. And that kind of was epiphany for me since then. I've never felt that doc like that was again. Like another spiral like my like everything. Just kind of went completely dark for me and then I kind of rebounded off it and I've never gone back to that. I've struggled but never got back to that point where I felt like I had nothing because I know that I had nothing. I've been to the point where I almost lost everything and I. I've bounced back so can only get better when it's really bad that's a beautiful sentiment and I'm sure that kind of helps you constantly when you're in duct periods to remind yourself that you were there and now you hear exactly so if you go back again I love that okay and so like where you are now in your life. Do you feel like do you feel like you hall within yourself to feel like you've reached a place way riche. Appointee you feel well. Yeah I definitely feel much happier about where I am than before and in fact I would say probably last year the before. I just had like another epiphany where I realized that. If this is another really big one I realize I actually was at that point the happiest I've ever been yet. I had gone through in that. Particular Movement on a load of others really stressful things Like my I again had no money again because I moved out and hold of stressful things that happen and Max out my credit card probably in a worse financial position that I was telling me about this. Yeah it was a few years ago but then I didn't feel that huge amount of stress and depression in anything that I felt before. And that's for a lot of reasons but I think probably one of the biggest reasons is again that fact that I'd rebounded from such a difficult thing in the past and I had become a later in my community. I become a student leader for the LGBTQ community particularly not just in at my campus but then moved on national role and started a national campaign to end youth homelessness particularly lgbt people. And that was a yeah. I don't know if you think back about where I was in high school. And all the things I was dealing with them and not being able to even talk to strangers and stuff she thinking about where had got through the not even something. I even thought it was on my right. Aw Back when I was in high school at all so yeah. I don't know if I'd be able to become this person that was i. Guess being suppressed by all of this other stuff in the past. So yeah. I still grace through periods where. I've gone through some really stressful stuff and this year in particular has been a bit more stressful than previous years because it is my final year. We've changed our like. The Union has kind of changed ESTA system and they kind of cramming all the content. And that's a big topic it is. Let's not but you know like graduates and everything. It's IT'S A. It's an exciting and a stressful time. But I at the same time I still feel like when I think about my future. I just think of like I'm just excited. I'm just excited and Asia and to live that I must say like I think I met you know four or five years ago. Something like that and you just like look the most. Well you've ever thing like I mean sometimes physically you can also say when someone is doing well mentally and you just like you just globally. And they just look really stylish and he just looked like you know what you're doing. Oh I'm just saying that you didn't before really cool to say people how they like mature and grow and get this really good space in La and it's just like yeah I can see it can say it now. I do think having you here is also really opportunity to talk about youth homelessness particularly in the Qa community. I guess what I wanted to ask is so like. How do people become homeless? How what's what's usually the reason why young people especially people in the community. What at some of the reasons they become homeless displaced as a really good question and there are many reasons why I think the media often tends to focus on things that would generate a negative reactions. Like Oh Hermosa drug addicts homeless people that is lazy or they choose to live like that and that's extremely damaging and just wrong like such a minority of cases and even where he will have all dealing with drug and substance abuse in that kind of thing. That doesn't mean I should be harmless. That's what angers me mice about that stuff like just because people have struggled with these kinds of things doesn't mean they're like less was the word less I guess they shouldn't have human rights just doesn't looking for thank you But there are a lot of other issues a lot of other reasons why people become home. Listen for lgbt especially Unfortunately a lot of the time it's on accepting family and Or on accepting landlords and and things like that. No being landlord sometimes landlords. If they if they have particular views will try to find. They'll try to find a way so there are some dodgy landlords out there unfortunately And that's not just not just queer people but if you once you've out unfortunately there are a lot of ways they can try to get you out and they can be super dodging and doing not but I think unfortunately people being kicked out of home for just being who they are is very common. If if you're queer and you haven't experienced it most likely you know someone who's experienced it. And unfortunately some of the supports that exist for people who are experiencing homelessness either around by religious organizations which is not necessarily a bad thing and a lot of religious organizations are accepting of people but that but that can be a barrier sir. Especially if you're queer person. He's had negative experiences with religion. You probably don't want to go and reach out to religious organizations because you'll feel kind of what I felt moving into that home at uni except on a much worse scale because you might even feel like there is a bias out. There might be but there's also some for example for Trans Women. A lot of women's shelters will unfortunately discriminate against Trans Women So those people won't be able to find support in in women shelters which can be a very important thing especially if that person is fleeing something like domestic violence so there are unfortunately a lot of different reasons why people experience homelessness and we know that the cost of living is increasing and yet you know support centre lane can and minimum wage on going home. Sir It's just in general was for young people anyway so that's some of the biggest reasons because I guess a lot of people do have that that opinion that people who are now unless I because you know drug and alcohol alcohol issues but the fact that it's very it's a small number of people no I don't. I don't think people know that doesn't seem to be common knowledge. I think it's like that that assumption that they've done something to get them in that position where whereas I don't really yeah. It doesn't seem like that's the case or a lot of the time risk something completely out of their control or as I said like I mentioned domestic violence and not one of the biggest causes of homelessness people fleeing domestic violence And yes people. Being kicked out of harm just dodgy stuff that they don't have control over like landlords and walls of employment. Sometimes that's completely out of someone's control was well and yeah it's it's I don't have the Statis- statistics on unfortunately I trust you. So how did you first get involved in working with people who are homeless and displaced? Is it something you just kind of always been passionate about I? It's not something I've always been passionate about. It particularly arose from me when I was the queer officer at us. W wow so at that time I had just being elected queer rap which again thinking back to where I was just even two years before that like seems so crazy at the time but anyway there I was and Irv Osama. We realized that there are some people who are essentially leaving in the space so there was a quiz based on campus which is like a room of a room. That's just for people with someone they can be themselves. Chill out study. Snacks have asleep. Be Safer for night if Congress go home or something like that so but we found that people were leaving their longtime basis which is obviously unsafe an unhealthy for them and a was not an ideal situation and unfortunately those people felt unable to your come to us and their own fellow students and talk about the problem they were unable to speak true staff at the UNI because they didn't trust them either and unfortunately in some cases. That's not an not an unfounded fear. Sometimes if you bring up all I'm experiencing homelessness I'm sleeping in this space. You'll just get kicked out like they might say what would they do? Yeah they might just give you a referenced. Someone who else can hope they might kick you out of this space. Which is currently. It's your only roof over your head for the night. Yeah so I can understand why that might have been case but I also felt like that was really sad that they couldn't feel like they could go to anyone so we spark to at the time it was two individuals we spoke to them and help them to get something more payment But we also were able to. We thought dot this is probably something that's happening not just with these two people but other people on campus as well we spoke to some previous offices from previous years it had happened for every single one of them going back as far as we near. So we thought okay. It's a systemic thing. We have to create something that will fix this issue. So essentially what we did on campus was being negotiated successfully for some classes accommodation rooms so some rooms that were available on campus to be rented out by students were actually rented out by the Student Union on a discounted fee and they were there primarily will only for people who are experiencing homelessness to have these rooms that they can access they were able to get fast tracked into counseling and Psychological Services and get financial and all the support for example Getting support to get on centralink and finding employment all of that kind of thing so yeah. We started that off on campus and then after speaking to people from other campuses realized it was yes a national problem so we started a national campaign in two thousand fifteen as well. Wow what was that? Like to like. Be a part of something national very exciting and also very difficult because it's hard to get people together from all over the country and get them to especially quiz. It's like herding cats too especially volunteer volunteer quick so just like this try facto like. Unfortunately we couldn't pay people their students so they already have other commitments. They're studying there working. They've got other things I've gotta do but it was really exciting. At the same time we were able to be at the forefront of setting up something new and we've just set up a lost ya A website where students can are and see what the campus has We've only got a number of campuses Wesley growing and getting more campuses. We've got national state and local resources that people can access and references and the idea is to get posted and fly out to every campus. So that not just the quiz faces. They're unique counseling and psychological services and other support services on campus can have just a postal or flyer. So if someone's scared to ask that will just be able to pick up the fly out logo on what's available and if they you know they might kind of have that value broken down by seeing a poster and saying oh they actually do care about me going to kick me. They're not gonNA turn me away so I think that was. That's what we've done to try to stop that kind of situation. From arising yeah. I just think I remember. We first met and you were telling me about this issue. I just didn't know that there are people at University who are also experiencing homelessness like you. Just ASSUME THAT IF YOU'RE AT UNI studying you're living somewhere but it just blew my mind like I just felt I just felt so like naive to that And I just don't think a lot of people know it's an issue like no it's happening. Well harmlessness can happen to anyone anytime and yeah it happens to students and sometimes I students like me. For example that education was something that I thought was going to help me to pull my bring myself into a better world. Be Able to do things that I wanted to do. With my life and those students who are experiencing things like domestic violence and homelessness often have to drop out or they have to they have to take your attempts to take temporary leave from uni but sometimes they they con- especially if they are unsettling for example stopping. Your study means you got kicked off settling for a while while they process claims and everything so sometimes just even as a matter of necessity. You WANNA stay enrolled. You WanNa stay going and clauses so and actually recently a lot of Lost Your especially a lot of information has come out that a lot of international students can experience homelessness as well And a lot of international housing is really bad like really pull living conditions anyway but a lot of international students so sleeping it and twenty four seven libraries. And that's not just to study. That's because sometimes I don't have any wet Gar and those people have even more reason to not want to drop out because then they get sent back to the countries and I think this is an assumption which people shouldn't make is that if you're international student you have like a lot of money like just not true like there are people who hang their way and like working two jobs to like just pay like uniphase like yes. There are people who come from countries and they're just like very wealthy but the fact like no I just don't understand is like idea that everybody who's international is therefore a rich. Yeah it's not true it Oh God no so. What can universities do right now? I mean obviously they are working with you to improve improve things. But what else can they do to make a difference? I think well even without projects that we set up now crosses combination unfortunately the UNI which does have its own limitations on resources. They didn't WanNa put out advertising that the these accommodations were available. And in fact I spoke to take this year. Who said that she when she had students dealing the harmlessness she said. Oh it's such a disappointment. We don't have anything we can do. And I expect to offer like we do there and she said. Are you kidding me? I had no idea. And she saw the even staff members during the some unions have the support services that they have And the idea is because if the idea is that you know. You don't want to be swamped and overwhelmed by a lot of applications. They don't want people who aren't necessarily need it to be applying but that requires people essentially to ask like go through the Student Union for example of going to the Union. Ask for help them be. Does I guess saying desirable enough of this. The dead then offered by the UNI rather than you know a lot of people being too afraid to approach him in the first place started the campaign. So I think you need to be able to be more forthcoming about what services are available and be able to advertise those a lot more. Make sure that not just students but this off know about this. Yes that would be helpful. Yes and I think I would encourage all you need to be. More forthcoming with Equity Scholarships and things like that and listening to students offer Lois. Yes backgrounds are disadvantaged backgrounds when thinking about you know make putting forward major decisions when they're to work out. How do we get more people from you know Lois? Yes backgrounds or other disadvantaged backgrounds into UNI. What can we do to support them to actually bring students from this backgrounds into the conversation and not just as as a way to bounce ideas off them better actually support them as decision makers as well and give them some share of that decision making power because otherwise it's like just listening from some people in that imposing? What you think is right while rather than actually having something. That's designed in collaboration with the disadvantaged group. Well I'm sold. I mean that's fix. Tell tell ever university that a herb ever university listening. I'm going to put you on the spot and maybe embarrass you but you told me that you received a leadership award. What did your save I received for even a few well okay. Well let's recent one this year last last year. I was really on under to receive a leadership award from the National Quiz Student Network which also in tandem with the Komo. Thank which is very exciting. And that was an award recognizing the work that I've done on homelessness particularly and but I also received a war an award from my uni which was from my faculty arts and Social Sciences Which was a student leadership award for Social Engagement? And that's for what I've done on with homelessness but also some of my work on campus in some other areas And I also go to scholarship this year. Which is really exciting to say. These things is because HAL. Amazing is it that a kid who had like a severe social anxiety disorder is now like kicking goals and doing amazing. Exactly like I'm the fucking best you proud of yourself. I'm definitely proud of myself. Yes I'm very proud of myself and I think especially when I think back to where I was coming from. This is what makes me passionate about things that help other people to empower other people to do what they can do. Because without the kind of support that IRA saved which most people don't get the same kind of support that I received. Then imagine all of these all of these other amazing people out there who are being blocked from doing incredible things just because they haven't received the kind of support they need. I regularly think about the amount of people out there who have so much potential and could be leaders in so many different areas globally but the fact that the other suffering with a mental illness or other physical almond or anything else is stopping them from actually like achieving all grasping on to those opportunities. That just makes me very angry because I mean Muba Bertha you and I we will people. We like have been given the opportunity to get better and to shave alcohol like algorithms and things like that but like for the most part. It's not everybody else like most people. Don't get that Opportunity. That's just like kills me. It's so sad. It's one of the reasons. I'm really glad that you even running this game. I had to do it because I think that this kind of thing if you didn't have this kind of support but you can listen to other people's stories and say. I'm another only one struggling this all of these other people who've gone through this stuff and they've gone onto achieve these incredible things like that would be such an empowering thing to be able to have sir you don't have to be famous or be the top of your field or whatever like if success for you is just like getting a fulltime job And having a nice house in the suburbs. And that's what you want to achieve like. That's amazing as well the fact that you don't not everybody has to be. You know doing fantastically well in the public eye. The to count as having success and that's really important because for most people that's not what they want want a normal life and like I'm supporting that as well. Yeah getting to a point where you feel like happy with what you're doing and where you are like to me. If everybody could get to that point they laugh. I just like cool. I'm done anymore. I'm happy I would just sit at home cook. I'm happy with the world exactly but we let's very people tell me. I'm very naive to think that way. That's okay if you're if you don't if you don't kind of put effort into changing the world and achieving things like nothing will happen. You're going to dream big. Exactly which is what you're doing so I guess before we wrap up. I just wanted to ask you a few questions in terms of like what you would say to people who are kind of going through similar experiences so I guess the first thing I wanted to ask is. What kind of advice would you give to someone? Who is really struggling with social anxiety? I think I would. If they haven't seen a professional I would strongly recommend it because I know it's not entirely accessible for everybody as we've discussed but I think if you're able to go see someone who's a professional do it because that was what changed everything for me as we've kind of mentioned it was active actually putting things down on paper and being accountable to someone and having them help. Talk me through what I've written down. That really helped me to realize the limitations that were that I was putting on my myself with a Lotta thoughts and how irrational a lot of them will and to work out. What would be a better way to be thinking a better way to be feeling an acting when I do feel anxious in situations so being just thinking about it and just telling someone about it isn't enough is actually going through the active writing down every single time? You felt that way like it really is something transformative. So that's number. One number two is if you can talk to. Someone talked to someone about it if it's not a professional because I think if you have someone who you can trust who you can bounce these things off it makes you feel much less like your in this alone and you'll probably realize that other people struggling with similar kinds of things to your also. Don't feel like you are some weird alien that you know. Probably not I mean you might be and that's fine. You could be superman you could but yeah like darn allow yourself to be limited by the kind of anxiety and the fear that you might be feeling now because if you want to go out there and change the world and do something you can you can do it and you can make even if you as you said if you if you just want to be able to hold a job have a nice place. Leave stress free for the most part. You can do it. You can do it and it just takes a bit of F. it And the right kind of support network and you will be able to get there eventually. I love that I love that. And secondly if you are a young person who's just coming into unique for the first time Le be some advice you'd give in terms of just like staying true to yourself and how to navigate that for the first time especially if you're coming from a small town yeah okay so drain. Your queer collective is number one usually they immersed campuses not all unfortunately been most campuses. We'll have a quiz space. And that's something that you can actually be anger and be yourself completely even if you can't be yourself outside of that if you can't if you're not out in the other copy or you don't want to be out then it's still a place for you to talk to other people who identify as queer a lot of who are also not out and again just knowing that you're not a learn learn about the history of Queer people because I it's selfish so empowering knowing that we actually have this amazing like ridiculously cool. History like modern history and ancient history. I just love people but yeah look into that and again if you experience any negativity merced universities a pretty like they'll have networks and other things these days which is it's better than not having them and you can sometimes find teaches. You can speak to. He'll be really supportive. And you can get support and other ways from the unions. Well and definitely look like the scholarship. I got was from the Pinnacle Foundation. Shout out they are a charity than a non not an educational institution and they are. They give scholarships to queer students so they were both on equity nate and on Performance and leadership. Sir If you're someone who and they don't have to be out to get this kind of scholarships or have a look there other equity supports out there as well scholarships and other things you can get so if you're struggling and you aqua take a look because there are things out there for us as well amazing dylan fantastic your Fanta a great forty five minutes closer. No seriously thank you so much for coming in and sharing story and you're so inspiring. Thank you so much. Thank you and thank you again for being running this amazing what cost and thank you. Everyone needs to subscribe. Hello everybody see. I told you that was going to be a good one. I mean it's really interesting. How especially people who haven't experienced homelessness can kind of you know heavily preconceived notions but don't really know what's going on and what's happening in people's lives so it's amazing that people like Dylan a really trying to affect change and make a difference in people's lives isn't that just the best Really love it. Love positive change guys as usual. Thank you for listening today. I really hoped You let something or you were inspired by what you had today. And now of course there are lots of ways that we can interact with me and get in touch with me which. I'm GonNa tell you now so if you feel like you're really WANNA listen to it. That's really but here. We got social media. You can find me at if you don't mind podcast. That is my instagram. If you WanNa find me on facebook just type in if you don't mind on twitter I'm if you don't mind P which I'm working on I really need to make that a better name. It's it's not my email is if you don't mind post gmail.com. Mount comes if you WANNA be on the show or you have something interesting you want to share with me. Hit me out. That sounds amazing. Let's still it guys as usual. Thank you so much for tuning in. Be Kind to yourself. Be kind to others and again if he can listen to someone else's story take the time and listen because it will help you in more ways than you could even imagine. See you later guys bye.

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After Show: Intimacy & Ro Allen on religious freedoms

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You'll soak in the sun. And i won't soak in the rain. Hi this is jimmy. Low check on my new album dance featuring like this down down. Low illusion has nothing. They're slow dance. You can download or stream the album wherever you get your music from this is lip media. Podcast we acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we are recording. We've had respect elders past and present and the aboriginal elders of other communities. Who may be listening today. So guys let's get into bed. Intimacy is the emotional connection that you share with another individuals. You guys know what that flight like you guys. I don't think bean like in a serious relationship for a while. now that i know that you guys have spoken off the saw. Be interested to hear like if you guys think that you can be intimate with shorter term. Yes it's an interesting and yeah and and how and how you choose to do that. I know myself. I'm really quite physical. Like i really liked to hug people and hold hands and it can be quite restricting being gay with that as well being public definitely had a problem with that still not flaunting it anywhere. It's definitely something important. We'll get you there so there's all different types of intimacy you can be intimate with people interesting. Save your your little tougher. I really love to laugh with people thing for me. Have to be able to have a good time with someone Like i have a problem queuing up like funny videos. People i can. I just choose to like to see them smile laugh. Yeah that's a way of being intimate with you can be the way you're describing is very much opening yourself. I yeah yeah you'll personality in your soul to that and it not not. Everyone is the same like a lot of people on huggies. You don't like to be touched. You can feel intimate through. Yeah i mean love intimacy. I the way i always think of intimacy versus non intimate. Yes actually count is is them and i don't think there's anything wrong with it either. Yeah fucking hot without intimacy. Yeah and it's more of a physical passionate thing usually thing. Yeah and often like a one night or something like oh it could still be a regular person. Yeah and there's. I don't think there's anything wrong. I think my stigma around not like enjoying if it's not intimate but there is something very beautiful about intimate connections with people doesn't have to be six but often is yeah and i think he can have it like i've had some beautiful weekends where you know you think you're just going for a quick hook up and you end up spending three nights together and you have this someone's you know you're on a holiday or something and you like you said. See the watching videos and hanging naked is like a beautiful thing. That's something. i never nude hyping naked people but he comfortably naked around someone that i feel like i've become truly it honestly wasn't until i started seriously dating had like a few three four year relationships that i realized i had a serious issue with intimacy so i always thought i was a pretty open book and was relatively physical with my friends and i felt comfortable with and it wasn't until i was dating and my first serious relationship that my boyfriend at the time said you actually really don't like being touched and you really don't like touching. Ns said like no. i. I like touching fine two steps back at normal amount but i realized as that continued into my next relationship in the one off to my level of let comfortable physical intimacy is much lower than other people's and I think that stemmed from requiring a level of control of my outward appearance and how i was perceived because i was a little gay brown kid to see a lot of white island from a very young age. Gotta control this. You got to keep everything under wraps everything right where it needs to be some people do not fucking see you and they do not spot you walk you in crowd and now thirty years later that means of a partners like gently caressing my hand or something. I swat it the way you stop that. Don't do it hate massages. i'm very tense. Will mess ours. i ca. i can give great massages getting them. Hate it holding. Hands hate it of Public displays of affection hagan so even walking out become more adverse to opening up to intimacy. Yes like i. I'm constantly pushing myself and going a lot of these things stem from when the years old. You don't need it anymore. You don't need that level of protection. No one's going to take your lunch money. You're you're an adult. So i do constantly try at but i have found the laco said there are other ways for me to be intimate with me when i think that is engaging in like some sort of conversation in some sort of dialogue with someone a emotional intimacy yeah is much more comfortable for mayor unemployment physical. You can fuck me like adult s. I mean we all love intense. Hot sex anything tweets really intimate with someone. You have to be able to have that passionate hot sex stuff but also be able to comfortably Just hang out and not be true intimacy when you can hang out and not say anything. Silence to just be in space. I'd say the most intimate relationship i've ever had was my last pro boyfriend semi which was several years ago but We had proper intellectual and physical intimacy warehousing. You just sort of both rates for each other hand same time because you know it's time to be reaching for his hands or you both sewing shoe ee. Body sort of each other's likes to sleep and that's what things we know when the presentation and went winter shift to get out of the way and when they're going to be cranking the mornings or or you know even predicting when they're going to need a nice meal because they're going to have had a day at work and that's the most intimate moment i can never think of having his on so this is probably like probably going to be psychologists into going. Oh tommy to say someone you since high school. Whenever i've gotten really bad. The exile feeling really depressed her. I discovered that. If i get in the shower with big beach towel and put it over my head and sit on the ground. These sounds crazy. Okay but it's something that would with on with sharon. I'm pretty soon. The chinese do that to like jim jordan waterboarding cold water. We really nice. I saw like what the pressure on you say. Basically put the tally of your head. So the grand create a tinge around you and the hot water. Sort of sounds like rain on teen roof It's very warm doc. It's almost like sensory deprivation. I think because it's very doc. It's your whole body his mom and there's no sound gravity floatation exactly sealed in any way for some reason for very long time. That's what i've done. When i'm feeling really i did read recently. That like single people. I think like long hot showers more. Because it's like the pressure and warmth. It feels like another person. 'cause they say maybe maybe there's something to do with it and it's really interesting. I always find that lecturing. Coney festival or something when i've got lots of shows or if i'm going through some emotional. I find myself doing that a lot. More it and then. I went needs to do it for several months sometimes. Yeah sometimes it'll be like every day. Anyway i was telling my putter about this. And he's like. Oh i want to join. You wanna do that with you. I wanted to go. I'd never told anyone. In fact i've told very few people because it's kind of a crazy thing to tell how or but i told partner about it and he said i want to join you for it and i was like i don't really know because like since i was fifteen years old and it's just these weird thing that i do that i've never told anyone that i do. And then after a couple of months. I like an eight showers can come in with me if you like. We sat in forty minutes during water restrictions. Tosa for forty minutes onto this together. Didn't say a word and has had this really intense intimate mona. It wasn't like fucking. We went hard or anything like that. We'll just naked under this in the dock with his right. Just listening to this running this frame of mind that i only ever done by my cell phone with such a safe space for me. Having my partner there it was something really special one. It'd be like a form of meditation. Yeah so you would just be like any feeling into some kind of i think. That's really kind of yeah. I was gonna ask like you guys. Think of any common factors that kind of prevent certain kinds of intimacy with you. I know for myself i definitely. It's like kind of my own body image. And how i look has definitely and still does prevent me being sexually intimate with people. Because like i don't want to be seen and yes it does kite. Shut me off at time. And in the past just because i my cutting better look myself ugly positions to use like so forth can be really good. Yeah someone's fucking you and they lift you in a really weird way. We just saw corner corner. And you see you buddy from never seen it from before and there's fucks up uday. Yeah yeah. I think it's interesting. Definitely my self. Image is one element of it but more so the difference between whether i become intimate with someone will just have sex with somebody has been probably more to do with their personality. Like yeah i can be physically attracted somebody. And if they're an asshole. I'm going to have sex with him but sometimes you can. It'll be attracted to somebody but know that it's not someone that you gonna bare yourself. Who yeah definitely definitely hates about people who don't always fucking every time i'd i mean like in the possibly had sexual partners who it's been really good sex but i'm just like you such a piece of a highlighting. We need to get you to a terrorist attack often time cane. I'm from my mom. She's to talk sometimes on medication. It depends on the scale of the opposite down as i am can be. That can be a barrier. What i was saying to you before about as you've gotten older up less is an inch. The reason i'm interested in is because i've noticed it in myself and i think it's actually from opening myself up. And then he led to a dead end and so the more that that happens less likely to start that process of opening up and becoming intimate with somebody about not going. Well yeah totally. I think once burned twice. Shy is that is that did i get that. Definitely happens with a vulnerability. It is something that i think we grow up hiding a lot of true feelings and emotions kazoo intrinsically. We just have to because of the way it is. It feels like a much bigger deal. I younger generation of a bit better at it and to be honest. I think you and i tom the question area where it does feel like a big deal. Because you've spent so long not being true about how you feel and those first few relationships so magical because you off finally expressing a lot of things you haven't for very long time for the relationship to physicians will be a dud is kind of a bit of a stinker and yet tolman. I a a bit older the new and and we've had a few goes around. Yeah the radio for me. I don't feel like it's hindered me. Being more intimate emotionally with people. Is i try to find a shortcut to a or a faucet. Yeah really quickly to. Is this a real thing. It makes me sound a bit crazy dating because they'll be like he is a bunch of baggage. He's you like about me. You know his physical stuff as well and is this real or not because yeah. Is this your way of asking me on a date loop. The day will come so cheap. That i'm ready. I'm ready exhausted all other options. Yeah when you get to rock bottom ten percent down to the four percents show with a towel with me off. That's beautiful skew about china. 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And so we're back with roy for the office shirt. So now the political topic at the forefront of everyone's mind is the federal government's plans to introduce a religious discrimination act. Felicia's not across where we're currently sitting in this fight. Can you catch up. just be well. The federal government Has been threatening for some time and it's come out which is a draft religious freedom. Bill Greis gripe and this closes in the draw on emphasize the internees draft bill but at the moment There are certain things in that would be a bit alarming and things that potentially could override state laws particularly tasmania's any discrimination. Little which is the based in based in australia. So that's That's very scary. I think it would allow at. The moment is already allow somebody outside. Working hours to take the israel philo case Outside working hours heated at tweets within not within his contract and You know he lost his job. This new bill would say that would be unlawful for any company of a certain size to do that. That i contract and so somebody could do that now. There's all sorts of captions around that if it's a religious view will believe that doesn't incite hatred or is he said with malice. The i can just imagine the number of court cases way we'll decide. What's with allison. What's not with us. You know so it'll be really hot you know there's a whole lot of religious doctrine around in the all dies about you know right being acceptable your anything. That's not within. The law is not acceptable. You can't say that's okay but you could potentially side practice. Maybe but then but we have enough evidence. Decide that's very harmful practice. Yeah there's another sort of close around exemptions for people that don't want to provide services a pharmacist. So does that mean a pharmacist can refuse on religious grounds to not give hormones to transient. By which is a casey wisened stryer situation going on right now. I think what the bill does for me. I'm not aware of that case. That's a case where someone's being prescribed. Chemists has so you know the old cake come out. You say just clarity. They was no vicarious in australia. That was an american bike. Yes just use this hypothetical bike in straight. They still going to be made to bike the Right so it's not as bad. It's too bad but they still have to make the cake but they may be. I would give you the cake for your wedding and go. He shake. I had to mike it. I don't believe that you should be able to get married having ave you know. And that might be a chi- so they have to bake the cake but you can tell you that they you know they their religious beliefs. Might you know the law might them. But it was up to their religious. Wouldn't how would you know until you have a lovely wedding. Have you like really so all those things are on. Cable fruitcakes kind of cops in it but what are you were you know. Those things are problematic. But i think what's more problematic than the bill and this is controversial. But what's even more problematic than the bill is the authorizing environment that it my send right because east side complex people guy well. I've just got a right now. yes. I don't understand my rights completely but i believe this bill gives me the to do whatever i want until someone tells me. I'm not in fact a manager in a workplace. What no asia. So i may not feel i can challenge challenge somebody you could potentially call. You could send me an email at eight forty five everyday in my workplace as my colleague and guy haro this is your daily reminder that i'm praying for you because you know i think you'll broken. I'm having i stay. Smu that every day and maybe know getting on the clock with us. Yeah it'll be untested about computer and with a yeah but that continuous everyday. What would happen with that. So it's i think people need to really get their heads around it. You know an echoes. We no yeah until a case happens as it's actually tested in a court whether who's writes trump the ala the does you're right to be siphoned the workplace or religious beliefs now and what's a religious belief and wants culture and doctrine. It's gonna be interesting because this is spectrum. Mundi a spectrum. it's just christianity. There are so many versions of very fundamentalist christian versus a liberation theology. Engine and everything in between about what they might believe. so who's christian religion trump's each other. It's it's tricky it's interesting. I look my personal hype. Is that i feel like we really yum as a community galvanize during the postal survey in a way that we hadn't since the aids crisis and i hope that that spirit of looking out for each other and fighting for runs continues through this bill which i think is completely ridiculous that we all do stick together and continue to find this bit of fatigue. There is a lot of i have. No pain is invested in. This is what i'm saying. I'm saying yeah. Sorry inside you know you need to trawling those pages like and getting a heads around it and telling you that this is we need to watch this because you know we don't want why we're all sleeping at the wheel for this bill to get up. Its unchallenged problematic. So what can we be doing. Like what sort of stuff can the everyday sort of on the streets be doing. I i think tom sign onto a quality. Stri giving regular updates stri. They're easy to find on facebook and all the different devices and doing services petitions but really read it and on trying understand that at the base level and read the commentary. You know some of the good pipers about what what am my actually main. We will need to hit the streets waiting on a nature to do the rallies. We have to wake up all of australia. Who are exhausted mainstream allies. Just like all you got marriage equality on you i. What is this like because the average person in straight you know may included religious freedom. Yep that sounds a kite. They've got a right to say what they think. That's okay but it's the actual detail you know. Ipod upon the devil's in the detail and we have to make sure that people understand that. It's not just about people being abishai with. I believe it's the impact that has on others. Do you think that this. Whole bill is a kickback or from the merge. Cloudy puzzles have. I do think if if the if it had come back. No we'd be having this discussion about this re religious freedoms bill that i that i can't say much about but i do know that during the postal survey this was a promise that was given That the just freedom generally they reviewed you. We knew this was coming. Now on consi- will just happy to take the win at the time and You know we. We're going to need to fire up again but we knew this was coming. It was discussed during the postal. Now you mentioned israel flou- briefly a second guy. He's sort of become the poster boy very much for this This whole bill He's cases obviously been a major driver for the government to push the legislation through surprised at how huge he's story became in the media and that he's been used almost as a mascot for the spill. I don't think i'm really surprised because sport has such a platform In australia so you know we're talking about an nfl player coming out. You know that would be so news with so people say her things about homosexuality on twitter at tom. It's because he had such a you know a high paying forty represented late late sports. So i'm not surprised What's interesting is is the the commentary and i think initially people go. Oh well you know. Maybe he's got the right to say that. And i believe what he says but when you actually dive down into that particular religion six or they've got some very strange place so people are stepping away from him personally about some of some of his beliefs. But i think you know i feel really sorry for him. Actually because donald show he wanted to be a for the first time on this podcast ever said denver. This you know he's he's part of a family and he's this church and you know it probably often i. I'm sure it's already believes but you know it did. Hey imagine it was going to be. He was going to be the poster. Boy you got to remember was it. How many years ago he was on the front cover of yes homosexuality and Childhood i mean you can only feel sorry from to limit. Definitely he was warned. And what you need a remain. Yeah yeah well you know that's just seem to have been jumping on board with the opportunity to continue and try as money. Yes but this. There's a limit to mind sadness a bad person. That's mrs says more about you than about him. I i mean there's always. I i think people who are you know what you see is people might tom. People have a conservative view. Become more liberated very rarely say liberated people become considered very you know so i my fundamental belief is. Everybody has the ability to china. Everybody can become more aware. And you know if they if i made somebody if they have a personal experience if i understand the the impact. They're having the dangerous impact they're having the negative beliefs. So you know this paper we will never change. But there's a vast number of people that i think we can have an impact on positive in pennzoil. Otherwise i couldn't do this fair and government credited the silent majority for winning the election this year. Do you believe in that theory. And do you think that the silent majority exists in australia. I took such an oxymoron. I not that silent. I think the is very loud when it wants to be and it can be working up I as italy. I think committee acmes got fatigue I think as a group of people that just so many issues. Lgbt is one environment you know all these other issues. I think You know it's it's very busy spice and you know i don't know if they bang silent or they just we're not engaging them unless they know someone unless it impacts them personally. I don't think people really worry about this bill or it took a lot to engage australia in the postal service. A lot of time if it and resources to do that so now. I don't believe in solomon stri the people that just don't care buddy. 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Revolutionary Socialism with Roz Ward

The Gays Are Revolting

31:40 min | 1 year ago

Revolutionary Socialism with Roz Ward

"This is a lip mania podcast. We acknowledge the traditional line of the land on which the recording we pay our respects to the eldest possum, present and the original out of other communities. Who may be listening today? Welcome to the gays, revolting dissection of social and cultural issues relevant to game in. We put the G in LGBTQ I. Plus and we're here to help. Beat best you you can. Follow us on Instagram or twitter or join our community on facebook by searching the gays revolting and support the Sharon access of off, destroys and live streams, patriarch dot com slash guilting Pod, and it's just common I again phone now Mikey. Joining US later in the episode of an interview. But first of all, how are you my darling hollow yet? Cute power you since las time I saw you with Van Damme. Good Nice to meet your family. Speaking I received lovely messages from people about how wonderful he has supportive. Your mother is and ask you and your brother to have each other. Family for sharing that with us, that is quite alright, always quarried before. It came out well so happy. You GonNa. Say sweet juicy nervous beforehand, but. Now she is probably listening to it like so many times all bless. how you going here. You're hosting in unite or something yes. Yes, I'M BUSIER THAN HAVE A. Right. So sadly, none of the the regards that I usually hosted coming back just yet because the venue so that screening Bingo and Trivia data. The venues just aren't big enough. Unfortunately, to make it realistic to. The strictures, but I m housing a united at Upstairs from circuit. In what used to be the sex rooms, but he's now a lovely. Really lovely absolutely like I love sitting like picking a table and being like Oh. This is where I used to the glory holes used to bay. This used to be the pollen room, but it. Yes, it's a new comedy nights while we get to program at with threes, I guess comedians every week, and it's because the current restrictions. Obviously we Seder's in having a meal to go to having a male and ex sane what used to be? Man I mean if people weren't spraying down because covid nineteen Jesus. Murray had very plane. Stephanie wants to calm. Please come along. Guy To Molly's website. Ob those bells heaven. And you'll going away this weekend with Yoga and I'm so excited, so Dunkin's going to go visit his family's weekend I'm GonNa tag along Agree, we don't go away so I just a nice little weaken away the country, gorgeous part of the world, but Mikey and elected. A pretty cool interview starts, but. Did today because we've got a really cool interview with a veteran lgbt I activists. Yeah, that's right. It's name you've probably heard of joining us. Today's rose ward who chat salute mikey about the safe schools program as well as a super interesting discussion about revolutionary, socialism, and sadly there will be no after show this week, but regular scheduled programing will resume next week. Tonight. We're joined by SAFE SCHOOLS coalition. A. Veteran lgbt activists and Marcus Rose Ward. Rose teaches in education at Rit and universities, and is the host of the podcast red flag. A podcast revolutionary socialists rose. Thank you so much for joining US pleasure. Thanks for having me of Colella like having a bit of a revolutionary on the show. They. Don't say we're revolting for nothing exactly. Thank you so much in a lot of respect for the work. You've done advocating for members of our community. Especially the safe schools program even as an adult. That's had a huge effect on the way I view my own education in my weld view as well so It still remains in Victoria to you know if the program here is achieving some of the outcomes, the you set out. Out For it, yeah, well, I'm not directly involved anymore enough sort of shifted into a bit of a different spice, but I think even with the controversy that kind of came in two, thousand, seventeen in the backlash and stuff. I think a lot of what we set out to achieve in Tim's of at least having the public conversations about schools, Saif, lgbt I, plus people and the answer being. Not Really, and what can we do about it and young people kind of taking the lead as much as possible on being advocates for themselves and allies in all of that kind of stuff happening I think we're in a very different position to win started schools Beckenham, two thousand and ten. Wow Ten years ago. So. A lot has changed the still to do and I'm sure you know that be plenty of people who would listen to your show and have stories of that you know there are children or people that know who is still in schools where unfortunately homophobia and Transphobia is still a reality for people. Yeah, interviewed members of Rainbow Families. So you know same sex couples are raising their own children now, and and that's another aspect of that of like at some point, we're. We're raising our families, and we want our own website spaces, but that's one thing I tell people what I'm teaching. students to become teaches and one of the things I to them partly as a joke, but partly is true is the you should be less scared of conservative parents than you are of lesbian parents who will have come out of school until exactly what you're doing wrong it not being enough, because actually you know, win. Watch more active in the community often. It's where it can just be. One person sends a snotty email and everyone thinks that they need to jump to attention whereas that Chile. Lesbians are the ones who are cheering school, councils and doing. Extra work and volunteering and Also civility bt I people think now much more involved in schools. And you're attacked by strategy. Is Motor press when you were advocating for the programs? How influential sort of was the media and trying to suppress I guess what they termed radical agenda theory. Do you think? Well? They suddenly had to go. And It does seem like it was a a concerted an organized effort by. What I would now call an anti schools kind of movement from the RAW. Dental. I was I. Think I was the original agenda whisper? Woods. Shoutout from old sky, my so yeah. Yeah, I think I mean they definitely wanted to try to whip up. That fear around gender and I think it's a common strategy to try to pick on the list accepted in commerce, part of the community and gay and lesbian and bisexual people would come a long way, but for transgender people I think. It's still so much trans-phobia. They think that they can kind of. Get to all of us by attacking transgender. Davis people so that that was a big part of his while on people just. Failing confused about what it was that we were doing and trump. Is leading the world in transfer of you. I think it has had an influence I. Think it's also meant that so many people now as well a much more. Familiar with transgender experiences in the more allies and advocates than there were again in two thousand and ten. They were hardly any out. transgender activists young people in schools that special a now. They'RE HEAPS Every story here about the younger generation embracing gender identity gender fluidity. Just blows my mind about how how far that progression has come from? Say when I was in school. And the the language didn't even exist the. The words though the ideas would just. Existent in my world and I think the work that Saif schools did in terms of education and just creating a broader knowledge within families I think. Yeah it melts Mark Code Little. Hot. I attended the rallies and things when the safe school program was like. Yeah, really under attack and you saw young people speak about their experiences and you went fuck. That child is like so much more in touched with themselves like in would their identity than? I am now is a thirty year old man, and and it's inspiring to say that so I know I mean that's one of the things we used to say to teachers and principals and stuff like imagine if these amazing young people didn't have to advocate just for themselves and their right to be themselves anymore back could actually be active around a whole bunch of other social justice causes in your school. What an amazing contribution! I mean! They're already making a contribution but like. young people, especially transgender device. Young people do spend a lot of time. Just John Advocate for themselves, and are extremely gifted at about it and strategic, and the so of workout who their allies are like these are all amazing kind of life skills. If only like it, just get on with. The way in the person. They want to be tiffany. Speaking more about the revolutionary revolutionary aspect of Yopat part of the socialist attorney, in Australia which is going to sound a bit intense to listeners, but a goal is to overthrow capitalism. Could you explain to listeners that the fundamentals of that, and if they unfamiliar with a socialist movements? Yeah, I mean, it's. It's a pretty big idea. I mean the starting point for me was looking around Oh my personal experience of experiencing homophobia Aaron kind of stuff about my gender when I was growing up and feeling very frustrated about the unfairness of the world, and then kind of looking around he'll. It's unfair for a whole bunch of other people. As will you know racism exists? Exists the treatment of refugees, the vast inequality in has no real reason for an it's justified in all of these kind of as that. Don't actually make any sense, so the starting point of being a revolutionary socialist for me was just to say. Capitalism is a system when we start to understand it better, it's structured into the system that we have this inequality and oppression and so. Wanting to get rid of that, Maine's thinking about well where we have power to do that. What difference can make you know questions like? Can you reform the system? Can you make it a better vision of capitalism and getting to the point thinking actually no, it needs to be fundamentally reorganized terrorists and young system. I mean sometimes you can think well. This is just the way it is actually. Capitalism is like been around for a very short amount of time in the history of humanity. The history of this continent that we. Are On like tens of thousands of years of indigenous life in Australia had nothing to do with capitalism, and it's a very young in a very destructive system that could also have an ending had a beginning. It can have an ending. When I was when I was a teenager, I joined back. In Adelaide, you know they had a little headquarters on highly straight I was a pretentious teenager that thought I knew everything, but I went. In there and lent the that the system that we were part of is created a way. The I can only ever achieved so much. I kind of have a handicap on me. The Donnie lets me get up to a certain point and similar to what we were saying before being able to learn those concepts that may be the doesn't need to be that way And I think a lot of young people just. They just so of naturally have those questions like when you start to work out like most teenagers do get to a point where they're like white. You can't just keep telling me. A life is unfair just because it is you know like people say. Why is it so unfit? People Hunt people homeless. He can't really answer those questions satisfactorily. I think without having a critique of capitalism. I'm. Can you just explain to us? What the Difference Between Them Revolutionary Socialism and just like plain socialism ins playing boring socialist. Road. Cocktail fly. That's actually. You're right. There are a lot of different people who call themselves. Socialists send it can mean different things. I mean the main difference with being a revolutionary socialist is. We think that then needs to be you know full scale race structuring of society. You just do that so bit by bit through changing different laws and stuff like that. You actually need to kind of end that whole dynamic of. Profit. humilation exploitation in the actually parliament. And just having a socialist government elected wouldn't be enough to do that, and also I think importantly revolution is not some crazy of chaotic violent thing that people think it is scary essentially away I. Think it's obviously in the interests of. Keep telling people. It would be scary awful, and you know you drought. The have the calm situation we have now where people just dying millions of feminine around the World But. We think revelation is important, because it's also a way for people to kind of start to do the collective kind of reorganizing themselves and being involved in it, so that's actually a very democratic process where people start to decide. What do we want to be producing in society? What do we need six thousand different types of funds and upgrades every year? Could we bit more efficient with some of the stuff you know? The overproduction of stuff in the world is crazy actually. I think people picture like the purge. You know those films. What is that? Everything just goes tits up and then see LEHTO. Or something. Yeah! That's what they image, but the that I have. It's Malek saying well. What does Let's get to grassroots. What is community need? Yeah, workout society around those needs rather than the pudge which? Crazy It's really actually when you think about the crazy. So of like apocalypse movie is happening right now on. It's in capitalism. and. People dying from infection that could be could have been prevented people. Burying food in the ground, because there's no one to buy it, but people are starving. People harmless that listen t house. It's like this is actually the crazy, maybe not. Starting podcasts incredible right, it's. It's madness out there. Let's really like it's going to be like blocks where the average Rada. Ship, a blog is like no point three papal. That's GONNA be. Every. Offer Listener. This one this one. At least. Three yeah. My mom is a very strong. We had one of MOM's on last week as well as. The moms happy. Lately. Thinking of some of the craziness that is happening in America at the moment Could you let us know a bit about? My brothers go nuts. We're talking about Bernie Sanders on the show. fucking loves that guy. What impact US Senator Bennie. Sanchez has had on shining a light on socialist points because he's been being co-decision was left right and center. Almost brandishing that would like. It's insult Olek to go. Bernie Sanders is a social. You know that kind of impact so. I mean some people have tried to call as an insult, but I think one of the positive things that he's done is to say well. It shouldn't be seen as a bad thing to be a socialist, because knows he's really just highlighting. Massive inequality in America the fact that billionaires. so involved in deciding what happens in politics that is all of this wealth in the country yet. People can't access BICYC- healthcare, so he's you know there's been a lot of really positive things that he's done I think, but at the moment in the current situation it kind of showing up some of its limitations as well I think in that. He's still wedded to keeping the same system intact, which is why he's not a revolutionary socialist. Yeah, yeah, what are some of the myths that are associated? Would Socialism 'cause I? It's been like a few things that I've seen online way like people make videos of countries like Cuba where they introduce socialism and then everything's just GonNa crap, and that's the one example that they use like what are some of the midst? You think that are out there. That are associated with it. I mean that's a big one. The places that call themselves. Socialists doesn't mean that they are socialist. We don't have the same uncritical perspective about people who call themselves, not homophobes. Scott Morrison Homophobic where we really believed him just because he says. Yeah! The Soviet Union Socialist. China's not social keeps socialist, said the. Versions of capitalism. Important to kind of see that, but then socialist in the sense that I am the kind of socialist society. The I'm looking for. I think another big one is the whole thing about socialism with just be this boring kind of uniformity that everyone would just be wearing our roles in studying We don't be equal, but we don't be poor miserable. What's the fun in that, but I think again that connects with the idea that Soviet Union way was. Socialist and if you look at capitalism today, this actually people queuing outside supermarkets. And we and shortages of toilet paper, and so of crazy stuff going on there, but socialism is not about everyone being equally ports about actually everyone having equal share in the decision, making that goes on into saw and recognizing that there's enough in the world capitalism mentioned it has taken us out of position of not having enough of everything and thanked. Capitalism is produces things so it's more just so had distribute stuff. How do you decide what you WanNa make of that kind of stuff? And if you didn't have this awful relationship with work, and he had more time to be creative and imagined, the pug cuts. You could have. You could just podcast day. I pretty much. Dan just doesn't apply to I. Send Him like twelve hour audio streams of my entire day and you know so I'm sorry Daryn now. A another really sort of broad question for me tonight. Is a the idea of You know a democracy here in Australia. Sometimes it feels like a convenient myth, a capitalism and democracy compatible in any way or is. Is it just set up in a way that that? Doesn't necessarily you know necessary. Allow for for the. Show answer on this one is no. I don't think I don't think it is I. Think you're right that it's a myth and kind of cover up of the actual structures of society so. When you think about what we went through with the marriage campaign, and the fact that the vast majority of people just keep saying. They supported it I. Get Gang Austin. Opinion polls and yet the government. The liberal government just refused to change the bloody law. Reasons That, they WANNA. Keep perpetuating homophobia climate change like people have a pretty good perspective on the urgency of natives do something about the planet, but doesn't seem to matter like we don't get to have a say in where the the should be basically only renewable energy Austrailia. Most people would want that, but you can't vote for somebody. Really. He's GonNa be able to do that, so. Again, That structure of exploitation. And oppression and protecting those few rich people at the top of society means democracy is just always going. Come up against that limit. Like Kevin. Rudd tried to sue. Protects the mining companies and the next day Gina Rinehart gets on the phone, and it's like you've been fucking do that you. And then they just back away. I don't get to phone up lady, Scott Morrison, or whoever and tell them what I want so. Why should why should clive palm bail to the brigand election with sixty six million-dollar so Branch stocking that's happening at the moment and that I mean Jesus is so disgusting. I think Mike you and I both queer people of Color. I've never particularly felt like my voice had very much power in in this you know like I never felt a part of a democracy growing up queer or growing up brown skins. It was very apparent to me that I was within a certain system where I have essay on certain things, but definitely not days and that with the things you would have in the things that you wouldn't have It's kind of weird sitting here now in isolation, but with the right to get married and you like it's all just a bit messy like we fought for so much, but what is happening at the same time it's. It's a crazy world. How sort of important amendments, the black lives matter protests for your 'cause like has it widened? You'll window of opportunity to get the revolutionary socialist sort of message out. Do you think? Well I mean the process in America. That started with the murder of George Floyd and then kind of spread around the world. The protests here in Melbourne just been amazing, and so led by young people very multiracial like. Angry people just going, wait a second. We've had with sick of this shit. What happens then is people. Stop having a lot of questions. Come out of it. Like what are the police for like WED braces? Come from what is colonialism? Yes, how did the system kind of happen? DO WE HAVE ANY DEMOCRACY? What can we do about all of this stuff? And so yes, a revolutionary socialist I mean it's it's about having those conversations. Putting things out for people to read or listen to, or whatever just start to save you know we can answer some of those questions people it does feel like the defend. The police concept aligns pretty closely with some of the things who talked about tonight in terms of looking at the money where it's going, and where would be better spent to serve the community in safety and the lives of the people that live data that seems very much in line with with some of the ideas that we've spoken about It, just Zilly's obvious doesn't like expense. Billions on the boys in the US and then they just go around of killing rubbing paypal. One-star I read just recently. If you're in, America and you'll murder by someone you don't know. There's a one in three chance that that was a police officer. Oh, my God. No why? So I wanted to people I like want like this is. Turned upside down the you need to tear it down and figure out how you put it back together in a most supportive way for the community. I feel like in recent years especially with like. I don't know much about millennials. Because am I millenium? Will you think? Now you've got to tell us, how would you? A even though I am a millennial I feel like social media I'm seeing a lot more people when democratic. Swing towards these ideas of socialism, especially as we get a bit older, and we realize it's really fucking hard for us to buy a house really hard for a voices to be heard when we say Liam, maybe we WANNA planet to live on in fifty years and That's GONNA. Die With with people, especially the starting to see the world in this this viewpoint How likely is it that we will actually see some fundamental change in in the coming years especially with the clock ticking on things like climate change? Yeah, the clock is ticking. As Revolutionary Socialists think. We sort of forced to be optimistic, because otherwise you wouldn't you wouldn't. I spent a lot of my time basically just working on political activism in also different campaigns and stuff. You've gotta think that. We do have the power collectively to actually transforms this I and even. Younger than millennials generation after the. Disaster or visit. Any Os is the X. Millennial I think this is dead anyway. Young people good young. I'm just about ten forty, so I'm very edge conscious. That I think people were you asking those questions and the current situation with the pandemic and the economic crisis kind of coming off the back of it means. I think the system is GONNA really struggle to provide for anyone because. If! You're going to maintain the prophets in the riches of the top. It doesn't seem likely that that just kind of kind of let them trickle down anytime soon. They've never done it before. All of those questions will still remain this nothing much in system to kind of give people like the last big uprising in the nineteen sixties. If you look back on, that period was a period when capitalism so had this long, could actually give people. Some things could allow the civil rights movement to face successful end. So of Mike People's lives a bit easier, but now it seems like does not really going to be anything. Reform -able coming out of capitalism, so and some of the changes even in America now pretty radical, I mean it's not revolution any. At this point but That they are starting to fund police. Force they are charging of these cups and with murder, and like there's a whole bunch of things happening. That just would seem inconceivable a few weeks ago. Shows that kind of mass protests and continuing to. Mobilize has had an impact so. Or. Maybe some angry lesbian mothers got. I'm sure there's plenty of angry. Lately Yeah, yeah. The more the better. I'm sorry that's that's that's the. Two. Rose I. WanNa say thank you so much for sharing insights with US tonight. If listen as a cane to hear more from you, how can they reach out well? They should listen to my podcast obviously. I'm. Numbers for two to three. Red Flag right here is the podcast and read fake news vipers the. Website that goes with it a red flag to Oakdale Aau so this. Kind of news discussion and some introductory articles and stuff on the we have discussion groups. You can access through that livestream forums and stuff like that. And then the Victorian Socialists I'm also involved with that project. So look out for more on that. The council elections coming up in. October. So happy campaigning around that so funny to get moped in them Australia perfect. Thank you so much lately. Thank you so much. And at if any of these ideas have sort of of these discussions of sparked any interests, I really recommend checking out the podcast and the groups because it does broaden your your your. Your worldview and and People like whereas doing such important things at in the world that yeah so great for the common on and chatted with us and thank you actually. More case to be revolting. Exactly! I also have some like pretty lung audio files. I can send you. Day! 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After Show: Bottom stereotypes & is 'twink' a slur?

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After Show: Bottom stereotypes & is 'twink' a slur?

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We pay our respects to the eldest possum prison and the aboriginal outages of other Communities He may be listening today. Ohio hello, everyone, and welcome to. Big, brother a play gays revolts. Quarter and now. That's my favorite gag it every week. No one can stop me. So a little bit of introduction we've been ask few times to talk about bottoming for anyone that wants the INS and outs off. Of that, we actually discussed it in I. Think I very first. Yes I've. douching. It was preparing for bottoming I remember I was just like rocking back and forth like this. So, if you're interested in some of the more technical aspects of bottoming. Checkout I very first episodes. Especially, if you're new to the show, you may not have gone back that far on youtube bottoming I mean yes. We wanted to talk about it again because I feel like there's some depths to plum. Dude. Turned into An. Being served as an. Because, something I've noticed that lace online spent more and more time on twitter and less time interacting with people is I have seen this sort of like we trend towards tops and bottoms becoming almost personality tires. You know talked about mice ridiculous. My music tastes being I have the music taste of autumn. I wanted to really delve into that like how do we feel about? Position, in which we partake in love making. Finding US potentially you're. Willing. He's a special boy. Well Yeah. Interestingly last time we talked about bottoming I was. Up until very recently have been going to exclusive. And I've always referred to myself as a blouse which is a feminine. Tall. I, do like I get that. It's sort of funny to be like Oh. He's a bottom such. But I don't really think they apply like some of the best hops I've met have been twinkie fem absolutely. Taylor's we fans. Some of the best bottoms you know the guys misleading big. Muscle. Jim. Of guys too. Much. So I don't believe in those stereotypes again in porn. Reverse. Liz, I think it's really hard. Little dudes on. Kyle. I. This is his wife. Spe Is Dunkin love you baby. I've gotten back into endless wasn't like I was making the decision because I don't want to be a bottom. It was just like I wasn't feeling it. Yeah because. You know. Matt. Practice I'm not match fit. I've been using a bit of plugs. Because I forgot that I have a lot of sex stories like. Bits and pieces like I have like. A few dudas. Yeah. I had for other use when I. I've got a really fun when there's like a, we talked about rental properties. Bog I. Property, there's like these big mirror attached to the bowl. Like body highs. Like do it with a suction thing which I've used guys where like stick it to the mirror behind sucking off and they ride the and. It's Kinda. Hard. I can see the mirror. Shower to. Shower, wall Film people, but it's It's quite A. It's big bucks. I'm not sorry it's going to be doing liberty to. But I had. Like these little range, I can't remember why but it's like a range of but plugs. Dole's. They fit into each other. Top aware. Of Big I'm sort of like being white MB estimating I've messed up. Practicing those and sort of work and my way training. Excited train. House, if you're the kind of person that likes I'm. Different sexual experience absolute. I. Would Joke about me being bought. Hey but I actually identifies versatile. But in every relationship I've had flipping between those positions have felt like totally different. Experiences the familiar I could understand potentially not liking one of them and liking the other Oh we've talked also about the fluidity of sexuality and at some point in your life, you may start to enjoy something that you didn't enjoy full one to explore flavor. Yeah. These restrictions about like, Oh, you listened to boom boom by Charlie acs your bottom. Oh, you went to the Cali right Jepson Khansa your body. It doesn't allow us to really grow as sexual being. And the something that's always not resonated with me or I felt really strange although I respect it the the guys you may. Just like refused to ever try. Ever will or they've never talked and they never will and look like twice in my life. When I was like nineteen I'm sorry I said the whole thing staring at Dr like. I feel very. And I have not made much progress with the first episode we talked about me that. I do think a lot of it is about practicing. Going straight for and also like once you're fucking the. Is, experiencing the same difficulties that your experience don't to go for it straight away. Yeah. What what you need to be doing playing with yourself by yourself and sort of realizing what it can feel like slowly and get working up to. fucking smash 'cause. Stuff just. Congress rating. The best tops, our bottoms. Like ordering. Ease into it because they know they know how it feels. For Very, long time I earned the bottom. Maybe once or twice in my early twenties. And, then like being with Josh. Predominantly taught was identified as versatile but like being just more comfortable being atop and then like when we've been in Saunas and stuff like I've bottomed more and more and I'm just like actually I'm really enjoying this again and like wondering more and more time as you just all of a sudden like, okay this is the thing. I Kyle Sorry Luke. Had a really good point before about it being polar opposites and that's what I'm really excited about. going. Exclusively top I was verse and some of the best sex is when you flip flopping and. That's really. Getting both doing one other you doing both yeah. So I'm really excited now that. Kevin. Again. Be Outfit. Yeah. Fact verse guys and Flop and channing really change that dynamic bottoming was just so it's like the had to get pushed at the nest. Describing something live in practice it was just like you're taking now. Pushing. That's Caucoto. I totally agree in that like I don't think a Lotta tops who have an experienced bottoming know that lack really uncomfortable like five to ten seconds of insertion. And that generally, it's like the head of the penis that you need to like Bryce full and then relaxing, and then you can go to tat's that's it. Yeah. So it's play the right here. and. You learn that from bottoming thought. And also thing like a lot of light strict talks as well that haven't bottomed. Yes. The pleasure of like going fast and then slowly. Changing the. Data. Really Listening PA. Whoever you having sex with to see if they actually enjoying. Yeah. It's nice like fucking to music like. Hope. Two, six, eight rhythm. This we'd sounds. Sort of what is the? Songs. Choice I love listening to scissor or Kalaniiki Lonnie. Telling ME A. I think I've talked about this before, but I have. been using for like if it's just a quick right random quick put something on elevator. Music. Hawks feed the animals. A matchup of all different music the amount of time. I, feel like guilt or owes me money because the amount of time so like Fox guy. He was that it was like, all right they message they want to catch up again and they're like, Hey, what was that opem you? Because it's dinner for the few times you it'd be like sugar to put something on at one time I like message league has a quick. Can you send me apply remember that? Chat for the PUNK Kozel okay, we are sharing today. All of platelets to quickly put on this. Guy Only Kylie. Kalani. Like my sexual playlist, my spotify like as dangerous field is my camera roll. So using it during sex is really bad because sometimes it will go from Caesar and Kalani into will you still love me? Like. Listen to fever ray industrial. no or throat singing like ten to GAC throat singing and I don't know if you've ever listened zoo. In. It's a different kind of thing it can kill them it real quick. What I'm imagining is just having sex with nice song then old sudden Cape comes on sometime. Generation. I'm. Being warmed up to before the full. You like. Thirty seconds. fingering or I know for certain that Josh loves a good bit of rooming. Drives him insane like it really gets me like excited. I've already founded. But like seeing him being so pleasure D- by like just me ruining him sucking often staff and then like he'll suck me off and like I'd like all of that fault like it really builds the energy like when we just go straight into, it's just not the same year, right? The reasoning because I do when I have bought S and. Multi long time ago I couldn't do it unless it was like a fair bit of full hand get started but I I this guy that I regularly a regular hookup that is about him. He doesn't like anything that's not A. Salon actually when which is fine. Fair enough. Interesting for me because I was like Oh God I don't know how you're straight for a DIJK. Sales have. Experienced PAS. What you said and I'm like. Playing Mary Conner even put Lube on the inside off. Beforehand like. Goes on that's like on the outside. But not on the inside of his ask because. It's judge it's like it's. Familiar with the. Opposite of what? We like four hours of. Like fingerings okay for me as long as you've cut your name. Like filed them filed hiding no jagged. Jagged. Edges. Tops realize that that can cause some discomfort. So that's something to be mindful of win. Aren't they re really around, you don't WANNA help cleaning. During yeah, exactly. Yes. Sometimes I found as well as some guys have really dry hand. Hand Moisture. Poised to rise beforehand, soften your hands out I think there's yeah. People enjoyed different aspects of bottoming and some of these stereotypes in identities to come out of a Hetero normative idea of logging dominant summit in women's men and women which is. Opinions of being putting onto women in the first place. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even them it just Israel. allowed. country. And I think even that has some sexual appeal in some ways like I. I used to get some appeal from feeling submissive and that's I enjoyed about bothering was the submissive aspect of back in the day power bottoms was not a huge thing. Yeah. Know that's the thing like, Hey, there is I mean I would definitely say in the last fifteen years. I've been on the same bottoming used to sort of be more of a shameful thing. But now it's kind of like a proud thing like. Fish I like yeah I feel like. On top. We. Have people walking around with like at Mardi Gras some those crop tops. Them and that's I. think that's kind of a really cool thing. Move. Big. Bottom energy. And that is all we have time for the bottom of the come through the bottom of the. Bottom of the barrel. Luke needs to rush off to go bottom for someone now. Abbas yes. It's been two hours. He's getting the shakes. Thanks for sticking with US glad to have mikey back. 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Feminist podcast. Welcome to the after offshore. Thanks for sticking with us. Money Dollars. Christmas and my birthday present. I've noticed that a lot of genres of gaming genre genres like Bush. Action yes. Sure. This. SCIFI horror. No, but that's like this bears wolves, others, other animals. But. One of the really well known wines I would say is like wink which you guys often referred me wrongly as. I think if I were to be categorized by anything would be offered but I don't identify that I have kind of noticed people in recent times maybe using it as a bit of slower within the Gay community. Are you stupid twinkle Yeah Oh just being like playfully being like, oh, he's such a twin euro small kind of thing. Yeah and like this kind of mask from mask as. Like shaming filler gay man Kinda Way. Yeah. It's so interesting I definitely Senate been used. Which I find fascinating is someone that used to be a twinkie. Still still try to. Ask definitely pain for about a decade Yup. I definitely have never used as a derogatory tune in. I don't think I ever have. said all tinkle me a tweet which yeah I just find it fascinating when people are offended by the time. Yeah. So we show still. Used to get away with. The sense of like fat shaming announce Guinea. Gay. Shaming. Kind of like we're FEM shaming gays. Ties into quite a few things we talked about bottoming an. Identity stereotypes, stereotypes, and stereotype I think peaks. This label of Twin. As well as the label of bottoms has sort of morphed into something that also includes your personality type as well as your taste in things do you think is? Related to sort of Misogyny as well within the scene in how relating to being feminine He's a direct. Well I. Think it's it's evolving in that these categories historically was purely sexual They were just sexual preferences. I prefer stocky builds. I prefer slim slender builds that evolving into something that includes more cultural significantly. I am a because I like Charlie. And I bought him. I'm a bear because I like I can't even fathom. Gestures. Like these definitions that we had that started off as being quite. Sexual preference now becoming he's just for us to identify personalities. Right. categorize. People love to categorize one another and actually thought like you've used this word on the show and it has sat with me a little funny really. Yeah. Yeah. So we O'Shea sex stories on this circuit and Turning Swift. Has Been a few stories where I'm sure it's actually for the sake of protecting the identity of the person that you were sleeping with but you've said Oh some twinkies come around and I you know. I was at. So and so. And Willing, and that was just some wink and I fought him and I just got some twitter to around and the objectification of that words. That's maybe for me is going those sexual terms and not really being a cultural thing where I'm saying where wink might now have evolved main dumb or vacuous. That's what you're saying is that the twin has now become synonymous with vacuous. Off. Savings me saying these these empty shallow basic human this. He's easiest way of describing the person to you. But you raise an interesting point because there are certain levels of yeah fetish. Aligned with these labels as well with bottoming as well I like the. The people are sort of reclaiming into this land. Yeah. Definitely. I was GONNA say I. think There are a lot of really proud swings around and they. But. That's what I'm saying. To me, the word is not a derogatory term. Very proudly, and I think a lot of people really kind of strive for that. Aesthetic. That kind of lifestyle and they like like the whole look really going for it. Yeah. I definitely in the past when I had bad mental health issues like sort of thought that. Is. A more attractive like a more wanted personnel in allegany community that I've physically changed the way that my buddy look. Into, that category because I was about? I was like the white that I am now even bigger just like this was five or six years ago. But in my head being wasn't associated with someone who was bigger whatsoever. So definitely made me think about what my physical attributes were literally stopped myself. That's all like a year long and I got to the point where I was happy with being a skinny little drink. But then I realized that I wasn't actually happy. Being that sizeable. It was there as well as China calls back to like earlier was lost episode when we spoke about bottoming bottoms and this kind of negative connotations associated with feminine gays and it's kind of like these masks mask as or like it's Kinda homophobic within the gay world to think that these are bad things and like these big strong Muslim gays and I think it's really unhealthy yet. So interesting that that's what you see as a pinnacle of Saudi because to me, it's not like I. I think that's that's where we all have different levels of. Talking the main episode today about this. Assumed Guy Hierarchy. The Iraqi actually sits completely differently for different people because like I wanted to ask you. Do. You think. Coach a way we are obsessed with youth and you know being hairless and which a lot of the not all. But a lot of the gay community is, do you think there is anything to the thought that perhaps this is one of those rick? How Being beneficial with your background that you don't necessarily aged physically look or too mainstream guys. And you know you have less hater remove and that sort of stuff is some benefit to it that you can get away with being called a twinkie if you want to for longer. No. Okay. I always like such a lame gag but people always like ask me about my ethnicity and how it affects how youthful I. Am here and I always joke that won't for Asian people into your seventy and. Disappears. But the way I, think for a lot of Biracial and Gay Asian men who has not been pleasant any step of the journey the the fact that I could shave off a mustache sort of fit into something maybe on trend for a little bit it, it doesn't really have any sway and I I feel like a lot of individuals like Mikey and ourselves have struggled with place within the community perception of. Ourselves that we actually don't give an absolute fuck about any of this stuff anymore because we had to learn to not care about that. Yeah ten years ago you like we wouldn't have made him. We wouldn't have made it to this point now it's so interesting that the people that are breaking into the heterosexual mainstream through repos drag racing and and Yuna pop music and things like that. the typically more camp feminine. He members of our community? Those are the ones that are actually having a lot of success in other sexual. Camp yes and If you look at Los Ripples, drag race UK, the two twins kicked off the first two episodes. Yeah. It was the old. Camp completely different things to there but when we talk about being. As as a really high thing in our community, I think you'll thinking you'll missing out on something that doesn't exist if you think that in this in the context of this conversation of twinkie that your not benefiting from it in any way because to tell. I can tell you someone that that can't stop from putting on ways. And Con stop hair from going in different places and that sort of thing. I'm. Missing out on anything in that respect of the conversation. There is so much privilege that comes with being wise and Mayo Australian and living in the city and all that stuff that I have I would hate for you to be at something that I think that I have something that I don't have. So when we're talking about the context of twinkies in the guy saying I think it's something that's how it at high regard and so if you think that I mean anyway benefiting from it, you think you'll missing out on something that I don't have. So you're saying because Luke, thinking that you don't have twinkie qualities is a beneficial. Yes. He's just saying that maybe maybe your twinkie then Tom so he's saying that him having non twinkie characteristics is not in any way beneficial's who don't feel like you're missing out on. That's Elliott better way of putting it. Yeah you. There's a million other things that I do benefit from genetics that you're not missing out on. Put out by looking at a piece of bread not something that you're missing out on not like I et growing all over my fucking body everywhere. Yeah I think everyone struggle with appearance is a very individual thing that no one else has a direct insight into. And these labels like wink and Really hit some sensitive spots for a lot of people. And white us such sensitive things for men who historically very good at being sensitive or. Comes down to so many of the gay categories are by body type. Yes. That's the problem like but like as you were saying. It is evolving Pasta, which is nice that like e can be other things. I don't like just simplifying pure body category because that's not good. Like if it's not. If it's an easier way of cutting through station talk if you're gonNA instantly assume that because I said twinkled I said, yes, and that it's not. I mean people would I guess describe me as an order but like I wouldn't like I. Don't feel I. didn't feel comfortable with. Be connected because you already personally have negative connotations with others not at all like I think artists. Says Yeah. Out of them what's the problem with you? Yeah. I just don't like someone looking at me like that in categorizing me by my fighting. Yeah. You see straight guys even being called twins now really. Yeah. So. Yeah there was the guy from call me by my name. He plays a gay person. Yes. So What are they doing? This is what I was. So mad, you guys a cody by name and then. I'm like Oh these fuck is a straight. Anyway I, I think to accept they heyday in A. Very best. Idea and now I didn't know what to do I superman. Like my perception of gay male of standards, the hierarchy is often through the Voss volume of. Seeing the. just goodbye. And the move from the early two thousands where everyone had tips in was A. And the ripped jeans. Like transitioning. The six pack. That the natural progression over between to evolve into a long game. Trade him with Lebanon is evolving to, Daddy. Thank. Need Kate. Well. Thank you so much again for this into that a little bit, but it was good. SPICING, good. I think you so much subscribe to Patriot. We really do appreciate. 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