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Getting to Know Gerald Ford, the 38th President of the United States
"Let's dig in. This was a speech that was given by Gerald Ford president of the United States in 1977. It was January. It was his State of the Union, and I think he went ahead and took it to the State of the Union because Gerald Ford has an interesting perspective of being the only person ever to serve as president. And vice president, both, and never be elected to those offices. He was a member of the House of Representatives when Spiro Agnew resigned from the vice president. He was appointed by Richard Nixon to become vice president after Richard Nixon resigned. He taking again through the Twenty-fifth Amendment became president of the United States. So he serves as the only person to have ever served as president of this country without actually being elected. We've had some who have ascended to those roles, but if they actually served, if they serve later, they were actually president, but this was one in which he was actually appointed to the vice president's role, not elected to that vice president's role. So in moving up, it makes it makes an interesting anomaly in history. But it also sort of fits one Gerald Ford. If you look into his background, you look into where he came from. He's a midwesterner, raised in mission, Grand Rapids, went to school at the University of Michigan, played football there was a star football player. In fact, one two national titles there undefeated football teams at the University of Michigan after that went to Yale law school and then served in the United States Navy during World War II came out and began his service in the United States House where he served over 25 years before he was picked to be vice president and president.
"g. spiro" Discussed on It's All Journalism
"And enjoy the episode. Neither of us knew too much about the new story. Is i think most people generally do not and we kind of looked at it as this might be an interesting historic goal parallel to what we're now experiencing with the trump presidency the resignation of former vice president spiro. Agnew is not something. A lot of people know a lot about but rachel motto and michael yards found it rich enough and relevant enough has subject to create a podcast series and book by michael. O'connell this is it's altruism. Michael yard is an emmy and peabody award. Winning television producer and journalist he also co authored with rachel. Matto the book bag man. The wild crimes audacious cover up and spectacular downfall of a brazen crook in the white house. And he was the co writer and executive producer of the bagman podcast. Michael welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Oh no it's my pleasure. I read your book. It's a great book. I like history political histories. What we're gonna talk about it but before we get into that. This is journalism podcast. We talk we talk to journalists about how they do do their jobs. You know with their thoughts on the industry and their careers are tell me a little bit about yourself you know. How did you end up a tv producer. The author part came a little bit. Later was unexpected but i became interested in journalism. I think pretty early age. I grew up outside of boston in a town called bill ricca massachusetts and i think around high school i started volunteering for the weekly town. Newspaper was called minute. Man which i think still exists and you know i had my little note pad i would run around town and interview town officials in you know local residents and go to town meetings and i think you know from that stage pretty early on. I sort of knew that journalism was where i wanted to add. That was kind of the launching point for me and i ended up pursuing a degree in journalism and went to syracuse university and went to the new school there and ended up getting a degree in broadcast journalism. Initially i thought i wanted to be an on air reporter but i quickly realized i was not meant to be on camera and i also just liked producing behind the scenes. A little bit better. So i pursued that path of tv production and that ultimately after graduating from syracuse led me to job sort of an entry level job at msnbc down in new york new jersey and that kind of launched what ended up becoming a pretty long career in tv producing. And you also work on rachel show or less. You have yes addict. Okay so becoming an author with something that sorta wasn't in the planning. I could have gone online and looked videos where you were. You and rachel were interviewed where you're talking about. You know how you came about this book. The thing that i don't understand about this book is kind of how it came about the idea for it. because spiro agnew just doesn't seem like somebody who is particularly timely or relevant to what's going on. We're the german this idea come from. I mean it came about in early two thousand eighteen reginald edward together for a long time and i ended up leaving her show and pursue other projects in two thousand sixteen..
El Chapo’s wife arrested in Virginia on drug charges
"Life of convicted drug king pin one. El Chapo Guzman has been arrested and Justice Department made the announcement that 31 year old Emma Cornel Ice Puro, who was a citizen of both the US and Mexico, was arrested at Dulles International Airport in Virginia on charges related to her alleged involvement in international drug trafficking. I Spiro is charged with conspiracy. Distribute heroin, cocaine and other drugs like marijuana, methamphetamine for unlawful imports into the U. S. Federal officials accused her of assisting and her husband All Chapo's escape from a Mexican prison back in 2015 and escape that involved the construction of an underground tunnel and then, apparently if she allegedly participated this second Planned escape. Two years later, reporter Sharyn Rouget of Fox five in Washington,
Georgia prosecutor investigating Trump's call to Raffensperger
"In addition to the events of january sixth. The article mentioned just one other specific event quote president. Trump's conduct on january six twenty twenty one followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the twenty twenty presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on january second during which president trump urged the secretary of state of georgia. Brad ravensburger to find enough votes. To overturn georgia presidential election results. President trump threatened secretary burger if he failed to do so. I know that that thing in georgia that little episode of attempted election interference by donald trump has been swallowed up by history already. This phone call was eclipsed by the violent attack on the us capitol just four days later. It's like how the resignation of vice president. Spiro agnew got swallowed up in history because watergate forced the resignation of president nixon right after it and so when i wrote a podcast and wrote a book about spiro. Agnew people are like. Who's that guy. He wouldn't believe what a big scandal that was for a minute until a much bigger scandal eclipsed it and made us all forget the earlier one when really really life changing terrible thing happens. It tends to blot out the memory of other really bad stuff. That might have happened just before this and so it is with this georgia call. But there's a reason that this georgia called this january second phone call is the one other specific event that the author author the impeachment resolution decided to include in their charges against former president trump. Because it's because before the january sixth violent attack on the us capitol members of congress. Were already considering a second impeachment of president trump just for that goal because at that point before island attack on the us capitol. His hour-long phone call to georgia secretary of state pushing and threatening george official to try to get the election results overturned there before the attack on the capital that was president trump's most egregious and blatant act of trying to apparently criminally alter and mess with the election results to try to hold onto power. And he not only did it. It was all on tape. So what are we going to do here. But i only need eleven thousand votes found us. I need eleven thousand. Give me a break for you. Know what they did. And you're not reporting it. That's a that's a criminal. That's a criminal offense and you can't let that happen. That's that's a big risk to you and to ryan you lawyers. That's a big risk is not fair to take it away from us like this and it's got to be very costly in many ways and i think you have to say that you're gonna reexamine it and you can reexamine but reexamine it with people that wanna find answers not people that don't wanna find answers. You can't let it happen and you are letting it happen all you know i mean i'm notifying you. You're letting it happen. So all i wanna do is i just wanna find Eleven thousand seven hundred eighty loads. I want you to find exactly enough votes to declare me the winner of the election in your state. And if you don't that's a big risk to you. I'm notifying you all criminal offense by you say you have reexamined. Didn't i actually one or else. And when president trump made that call on january second four days before the attack on the capital he hit already called. Georgia's governor to pressure him. To overturn the state's election results to trump also personally called a level official in the georgia secretary of state's office. The guy in charge of elections investigations and spent a long time. Personally pressuring that guy to quote find the fraud that would result in overturning. The election results in georgia and declaring trump the winner while president trump was making all of these calls personally the top federal prosecutor in atlanta. Us attorney in atlanta resigns under direct pressure from the trump white house because trump felt and communicated to that the us attorney that he was not doing enough to find that non-existent fraud that would somehow allow the overthrowing of the election results. One of the things that made the series of escalating interventions georgia's election so remarkable. Was that it. It was just also blatantly illegal. Not just impeachable but illegal like go to jail illegal. It is against the law in georgia to solicit someone to commit election fraud state election officials to find you exactly the number of votes you need to turn the election result the other way threatening collections officials that they to change vote counts in your favor or else would surely seem to fall under that statute will now even as donald trump's second impeachment trial unfolds in the us senate and what a spectacle it is and that trial unfolds on an article of impeachment that specifically references trump's threatening call to george a secretary of state while nell a high profile state prosecutor in georgia district attorney the largest county in the state fulton county has now opened a criminal investigation that centers on that phone call district attorney. There has sent this letter to george secretary of state governor lieutenant governor and attorney general extracting them all to preserve any and all records related to the two thousand twenty election quote. This letter is notice that the fulton county district attorney has opened an investigation into attempts to influence the administration of the twenty twenty georgia general election. This investigation includes but is not limited to potential violations of georgia law prohibiting the solicitation of election fraud the making of false statements to state and local governmental bodies conspiracy racketeering violation of oath of office and any involvement in violence or threats related to the elections administration quote. This matter is of high importance. Excuse me the this matter is of high priority. The next fulton county grand jury is due to convene in march. This office will begin requesting grand jury subpoenas as necessary at that time
IBM COVID-19 Vaccine Cold Chain, Cellhawk Surveillance Tool, SISA Releases Malware Detection Tool, and Macros Used in Cyber Attack
"Defending the covid nineteen vaccine supply chain in an editorial ibm's global league for threat intelligence. Nick rosman makes the case that this supply chains should be treated on the same level as the electrical grid or air. Traffic control arguing. It's now part of national critical infrastructure. He points out that pharmaceutical companies medical manufacturers and component suppliers in vaccine clinical trials have already been subject to attacks with the fishing campaign. Starting suppliers of cold storage need to transport the vaccines the largest supply chain of suppliers. Distributors storage facilities and packers provides a number of vectors to impede the vaccine's ultimate distribution for rosman the key to defending the supply chain is collective action and a coordinated strategy with an organized approach to threaten intelligence sharing cellular aggregation tool detailed in police reports. The tool is called sell hawk from hawk analytics and is often used by law enforcement. So hawk collects information provided by cell providers at the maps of people's locations movements and relationships claiming to be able to process a years worth of cellular data in about twenty minutes. This can allow police departments take information from so-called tower dumps that lists all phones connect to a given tower and create spreadsheets attract connected phones without a warrant so can correlate this with gps and other data generated by smartphones to show how a person moved and use their phone over time with the ability to do things like continuously monitor specific phones and send alerts to law enforcement when someone moves out of gio fence daria ceasar releases a malware detection. Tool for azure and microsoft. Three sixty five. The powershell based tool called. Spiro is designed for incident responders to look for unusual potentially malicious activity. The tool was developed by ceases. Cloud forensics team and checks the unified as m three sixty five audit log for indicators of compromise lists azure ad domains and checks as your service principles and their microsoft graft permissions to discover potential. Malicious activity sparrow a response to a rash of recent authentication based attacks seen in multiple sectors macro based mail where uses git hub and imager in attacks. Were docs are a common attack vector for cyber attacks. No need for me to tell you that. Researchers arc birger details about a new technique however that uses macro in a word file to download a power shell script from getup then initiates the download of a benign image file from the image hosting service imager the pixel values from that image then used by the power shell script in calculating the next age payload ultimately decoding cobalt strikes script on windows systems after publishing their findings. The researchers found that the domain associated with the c. to server the script attempts to reach is no longer available
"g. spiro" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Um and there's the there's Spiro. Diner in the book. That's very much like this pancake house here in Montauk on DSO driving around in the last couple of days. I had this funny feeling like Oh, here. I'm I'm actually here. I'm actually here. Inside this place where I spent so much time in my head. Um and I'm you know, I'm getting to use I'm like, Wait. That road shouldn't go there because in my head, it goes toe Astra. MEREDITH Goldsmith writes. A favorite line of mine is no one wanted an independent mother, which seems to apply to Cecilia and Juliet ass Trude and her kids. And maybe even Wendy. What about this issue in this book? She wants to know a bit more about that idea of no one wants an independent mother. I don't I don't remember that line, but I believe you, but it's there because it's something that I feel deep inside my skull. Especially right now, you know, I think that so many of us Who are, um working mothers of small Children, especially have have had our lives totally flipped in this really unsettling way during the pandemic, where all of a sudden You know, all of my independence is has evaporated And so has my working life. You know, I think that you know there are some people who are, you know, say recording there. A live radio shows every day from home. But then there are some of us who, you know. Write novels instead. And so it's not I don't know. I just I've I've been thinking about a lot and where, you know, I think that of course, I believe very much that my Children want me to be. A successful human and whatever that means. Um and I know that I certainly want them to see Working and happy and independent, But I think it is this. You know, there's this push and pull of of parenthood where you know you want to be. You know your own person and able to do it everything that you want to do. But then you also have to be ready to drop. Whatever that is. You know, at a moments notice and wants to know. Would you ever consider a sequel to the story? You know, I've been trying Tio. Right. The TV version I've been pitching it with, um, a fabulous woman in Sir Hayward. So we'll see. You mean there might be a TV show. And and what's been actually really fun about that is, um Is thinking of things that would be in the sequel. You know, Like what happens to Porter like who is Porter's next romance? I'm not going to tell you, but it's great. It's great. It's so fun and, you know, I mean, I think a za novelist I don't know if other people feel this way. But I I do often feel like Oh, I miss for them, You know? What would they be doing right now? How would they be handling this on DH, so it's really fun Tow to sort of let Allow your mind to go to go that way before I let you go. I just wanted to talk a little bit about your bookstore. Books are magic. And I wanted Teo applaud you for your matching donations to a Siri's of really great social justice initiatives, and that's really It's a great thing anyway. And then it's also a great thing to do in a time when small independent businesses are having such a hard time financially. How is it going for you? What would you want people to know about running a small bookstore during this time? Anything you think people should know. Or think about how it's a piece of cake. Just getting it's not a piece of cake it all. It's been just an enormous amount of work and enormous mean. But like all of us, it's been enormous amount of work shifted. On its axis. You know we were. We were always working hard, but I think You know, like my events team have had to figure out you know how to do this. How have zooms and That kind of thing. And you know, my husband who runs you know, like the day today of the bookstore, like had to figure out how to make it into a distribution center and to ship out 50,000 books. So of course, the quarantine. But you know, we have been really, really lucky because people have supported us through out. Um which is why we're able Teo, you know, to try to You know, spread the love. And yet we've done two different matching donation campaigns. Uhm, it's great. It's great, because you know people are people want to help, you know, and I think that we see so much every day. On instagram and things like that, If you know things to people to call and things to do, and It's um It's a lot, but you know, we feel like If we can get just like a couple people who haven't donated something this month to do it great and we'll match it. Send send even more money. Those were highlights of my conversation with author Emma Straub at our August get lit with all of it Book Club event. We spent the month reading her novel all adults.
You as Your Best Healer with Rhoda Todoran
"Hello Hello Beloved. Welcome to this episode of Subtle Medicine. Podcast I have dear sister and kindred soul Rhoda door and on the show today and we talk about all the things as it relates to you as your own healer from daily purification practices. And how no that's probably dot you think it is to taking radical self responsibility for your life for your growth and what gets in the way of that and also talk about nervous system care breath. Work and more Rhoda to join is a Reiki Practitioner. Trained and conscious counseling and rebirthing breath work. She has been exploring various methods of healing and self mastery since two thousand two and continues to cultivate a mixed bag of modalities under her belt. In order to co create transformation with others besides facilitating tailored workshops locally in Los Angeles and for the yearly Spirit Weavers Gathering. She also holds space for one on one. Ricky infused rhetoric sessions is a maker online seller of handmade eco-friendly creations and is an Orrick portrait artist. And I had so much fun creating this episode for you and I know that you will really enjoy this rich conversation that road and I had so without further ado. Let's get into it all right so Rhoda is definitely a kindred spirit for sure and I'm so excited to have you on the show. Thank you for being here in key for having me. I'm excited as little okay. So we are such kindred spirits like I said and I'm so excited to get into this topic of you as your own healer and guide. That's certainly something that is near and dear to my heart and my own journey and it's really been spoken about so on this show. It's kind of the overarching theme of this whole podcast of my whole work of my whole mission in in life and my soul's purpose as well as the notion of our core loons being our source of freedom and ultimately coming until place of self mastery and total sovereignty. Kind of where? We're headed today and I'd really love to begin with when you say to somebody. You are your own healer. What are you meaning? And what are you ultimately hoping that they get from this because for a lot of people it's like a radical notion that they can't wrap their minds around or it's something that they may believe in but it's like a total pipedream and they don't even just understand where to start and what that means. What does that mean to you? Like all journeys on this spiritual path Or the journey of life in general. It's it's at Spiro. So there's the very bottom layer of like you are the author of your life basically and that's a little bit more accessible to people because it's in books it's in movies. There's that hero that at the end of the day kind of semons his or her energies and becomes full breath of himself or herself And once you start on that path little by little I think the end goal is full sovereignty. Ray You're basically you know full blonde blown out thinking for yourself in all areas aways from like like. I've been rereading a Leonard Ores Book. Which is my lineage intensive rebirthing and he talks about the death urge and how for. Yawns eons of years ago people lived hundreds and even thousands of years old. So there's this belief that we have that we actually have to die so it's going that breath fall breath of sovereignty where you have your own belief about what you and your body can do and what your spirit can do in your soul and then obviously say there's the whole breath in the middle where it's that whole journey. That's just true for you and it can be anything from. I know personally speaking. There's that point in every person's life in this journey where It's almost like there's a couple of different deck that happened. Ego Death of a child re parenting yourself. So there's the death of your parents in your life as a role Caretaker role and then and the larger sense of that after that is the death of God and how you are becoming your own God and you tap into your own internal resources power and and that is part of that whole goal to sovereignty so when I say that to someone it's just whatever hits them really but my ultimate goal and why love breath work is that You know you're using your own Nothing else you don't need vamps music. You don't need like incense or oils. Whatever you just do it when you can really. I do it in my car in the shower before I came on line here. I just to get the jitters yards doing Steak grow toning or shocker toning. And that's just braving making sounds with your breath so it's really any thing that you have right now right here. Are All the tools that you have everything inside of you is all you need. There's nothing fancy know by now or will. This offer will expire type the situation. It's just really where you are and just leaning into everything that's going on where you are right now right here. So God smoothly
"g. spiro" Discussed on The Propaganda Report
"If any he had four different studies. That all pointed to this and the amazing part is is that the the Chinese government and had paid the US government essentially to have this. Chinese scientists participate in these Whatever work they were doing there to this gain of function of a virus I believe. Yeah immersed virus that's crazy. I didn't know that they had paid a Chinese doctor to work with them on that I knew that they had developed one. They had made a strain of the corona virus. That was not at that time. It wasn't transmissible from bat to human. But they made it more deadly and they made it more transmissible from bats human and so they created one of what we're experiencing right now. Had NO IDEA. Chinese doctor was involved. Yes from that. Wuhan level for lab is crazy. Wow yes so he. There's four different studies in have the links for all of those if you like. And so what he's telling me in this interview as he's going over these studies. Is that basically the that Doctor? Chinese doctor was here working with The US This university North Carolina They had obtained materials from Fort Dietrich so the US government US military was involved to a certain degree at least and that the Chinese government did pay some money for this doctor to participate and that doctor. The doctor then took that Whatever they had their those samples that were you know and they had learned how to perform gain of function to weaponize. They took that back was already a weaponized virus at that point took it back to their facility in Wuhan China and then tried to Basically infuse it with two other types of viruses and I'm not an expert so forgive me on this But I had the expert on telling me about this and it was including HIV and some other Scary sounding stuff and that. He believes that it was Then leaked out of the lab there in Wuhan China by mistake. Only yes. That's that that lab. According to Professor Francis Boyle has leaked a previously two times at least Sars so it does have a history there of this taking place and so at his at this point in time. His view is that This has been weaponized without a doubt one hundred percent and that it was accidentally leaked from the lab and that we're now seeing this unfold and as we can all see for ourselves. Currently the death toll is reported around a little over twenty two hundred deaths and yet in China alone. They have locked down six hundred. Excuse me seven hundred. Sixty million people which is on ten. It's a little more than ten percent of the global population rice. So it's almost everybody and yet we're seeing videos coming out of China. Criticizing the response of the Chinese government. Not that they're doing too much but that they're doing too little. There's a lot of conflicting information coming out of that. Propaganda machine propaganda machine is correct. And it's very difficult to determine what Information you know is is credible. And that's why we have to rely on experts and then people who can Get the information from there and get it translated Instead of relying on the mainstream sources. But that's seven hundred sixty million. That's roughly ten percent of the population on Earth. So a you know you compare that with each year. The flu virus there's common flu kills roughly around sixty thousand people. I saw a CD study from two thousand seventeen that estimated six hundred thousand people died of the flu now. I assume that they're they're they're saying pneumonia because like two or three million people. A year die of pneumonia. And like you see with this novel. Coronavirus coming out of China right now. How you diagnosis it. The parameters for clinical diagnosis can wildly change the numbers so the tribute flu deaths a lot of pneumonia deaths to just regular flu. But that could be happening in this case as well absolutely and so it's again You know I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here. I'm not trying to sell fear. That's the media's the mainstream media's job I'm just trying you know right trying to raise awareness of other possible scenario stat. That are likely that that could have taken place now. Francis Boyle just to be clear on this professor Francis Boyle disagrees with this theory of this possibility that I presented in multiple reports. That that it's this was a part of espionage or sabotage. He firmly believes that at this point it did leak out of now. Just real quick. I saw a rutgers professor who I think had absolutely nothing to do with this just saying stuff in the Wall Street Journal which happens all the time like the wrong. Scientists is interviewed but there there are reports that scientists have looked at this at the krona virus or covert nineteen and said that you can tell by the DNA profile that it's completely not bio-engineered. I'm not defending that position at all. But I just wondered if you if boyle talks about that or if that has come up in your research that that could be debunked. I mean I don't I don't I don't take the mainstream media reports with any value whatsoever and I don't know if anybody who's actually examined it has said that but I just wonder if you came across that so professor boils and of course You know I'm paraphrasing. I don't want to speak for professor boiled but my understanding from from our interviews are multiple interviews especially as last last one just today that the these governments in these agencies including US governments. So the the the the National Institute of Health funded this Gain of function program at the North Carolina University. Where the Chinese scientists you know had taken the virus back so you know he's saying that you cannot trust these institutions you can trust You know the World Health Engineer it. Yeah yes they're all complicit in their in their in their skin is in the game they they will cover it up. He believes that there is a massive cover-up taking place right now so to your point with that guy would that gain of function research. They conducted there was a ban on gain of function research in the United States. At that time that was lifted in two thousand seventeen and there were a handful of exceptions of studies that were allowed to do the research anyway. Despite the ban and this corona virus research at North Carolina is one of those exceptions to the rule right in and they would like to tell you that it's for research purposes and to develop medicines and vaccines and everything like this in in this was brought up in the interview in. He said that is Baloney. It's to weaponize it as as a weapon the last question I know you just have back to back step to do and I don't want to keep you too long but I did want to ask about the patents that Gates. Oh own so bill. Melinda Gates Foundation was part of the Ventura one. I saw netflix special. That came out a month later. Called explains the next pandemic which featured Bill Gates widely in that and then I learned one of your reports that they hold a patent. Is that a patent on something just like this. Or how close is it? You remember well going off memory here. Excuse me going off memory here without having it pulled up right in front of me You know of course whenever information like this comes out The mainstream media is quick to try. To debunk these articles and to give people doubt and uncertainty now from what I remember on this the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation had funded a company that did own a patent on the corona virus. And I believe it was pure bright and I have a link to that I can dig up as well and and send that over to you so yet again. Another coincidence as you stated. I remember seeing that that netflix special. Come out shortly after this break took place in they take. How long does it take to make documentaries this was just another astounding to me a red flag? It's like wait a minute. What is what's really going on here. November twenty nineteen is when that that Netflix special came out. It was crazy. I couldn't believe it and it was gates. Who was involved in this well? Yeah I don't want to keep you anymore. Sphere is there anything that we didn't hit yet? There's there's one more point that I I'd like to bring up. That took place before all of this and I'll be brief and it was leading up to the Military World Games in Wuhan China. They held a thirty day countdown to where they did. Emergency drills and this was covered a by Jennifer Zang's Jennifer Zang's blog and they are able to take information from China get translated and publish it. So people can see what's going on and so parts of these emergency drills. We're taking place at airports and everything like that. Which did include infections of the novel Corona Virus again before the actual World Military Games before the the event to a one which took place there so again. Another synchronicity and other coincidence. You know what's really going on here? Wow it is uncanny. As as I watch this thing unfold. I get more and more scared like so just thinking that there is something going on behind the scenes. Might give a person pause and say. Hey you know. They're just maybe they're running to drill. I don't know but as I see. Look back at some of the stuff you pulled in some of the stuff. We saw from event to a one how they say it unfolds at six months in. There's a flash point and then it just goes crazy for a year and I'm hoping that this isn't really a starts a Finnish reflection of events who won hope springs eternal. But I'm definitely watching it closely as you obviously are so spirit. Where can we see this in your other stuff? What's the best place for us to find it? What you can always find my work AT ACTIVISTS POST DOT COM. All my reports get published over there Also you can find my work right on my youtube channel which is just my first and last name. Spiro scores or on bit shoot I created a account over there where I publish all my video reports because Youtube has deleted one of my channels in the past and And we still out of the censorship. Yes well put a lot of work in there and I didn't have a backup mirror site at that point in time so a lot of my work was gone. Deleted down the whole forever. I happen to me on. Wordpress was devastated. Still haven't recovered to that point. They're censoring to Hashtag Corona virus. Facebook is censoring that on facebook and on instagram. They're directing people to quote accurate information to fight misinformation so using that Hashtag could potentially signals facebook to come censor you. It's a flag. Yeah great stuff man. Yeah well we'll definitely all signed up to the bid shoot. I see your stuff on Youtube but I'm not counting on it but for me. The first thing I do is I go to activist post type in your name and I just get all your latest stuff and I love the activists post. If there's one site I refer to the most like I'm very active on twitter. It's activist post by far so it's really a privilege to speak to you and I know you're super super busy so I really hope we can do it again. And you'll for sure be hearing from me as this corona virus continues to unfold or hopefully get wind down. Yes definitely hopefully thank you both. Monica inbred so much. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to have me on today. It's a pleasure.
"g. spiro" Discussed on The Propaganda Report
"Welcome to the propaganda report. This is Monica Perez on Brad Brinkley and we are here with Spiro. Scores of the activist post and many other media sources. Great videos always a source of fantastic research fascinating insights. It's really privileged to have spiro here. Hey Spirit how you doing? I'm doing great Monica. Thank you so much for having me on hybrid. How're you doing good? How `Bout you do? Great thank you so you are obviously busy because you have been digging into the crow virus we have to but you have come up with some stuff. I I look at everything I can find and you kind of blew my mind even just today with yet another coincidence you WanNa Kinda give a little recap of what you think are the most significant coincidences around. This corona virus pandemic that we're being told about every day and kind of the back story. What was going on right before eight kind of broke into the global news in November? So absolutely thank you. Monica inbred so getting into the the carnival for all. We have to recognize what the narrative is as being pirated. That's being shoved down our throats on a daily basis By the mainstream media Which is of course compromised on many levels and the official story Which in my opinion is extremely flimsy in. Just not just my opinion. But I'll get into that more coming up is that the officials stories at the corona virus originated from a food market in China. Because someone was eating some raw bet soup or something along those lines and then it just spread and it happens to be in dozens of countries right now but we learn more and more information every day about this and there are experts who have come out on this. There have been studies Recent studies that have come out just in the last few days and the last week that I'm going to touch on here in a little bit. But looking at the events leading up to The outbreak taking place in China. We see that there was a pandemic exercise that was held in New York City and this pandemic was actually a simulation of a corona virus outbreak And the the exercise was hosted by John Hopkins Center In partnership with the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum which is a tied to the UN of course and the World Health Organization? I believe did ask John Hopkins Center to host this event and the participants of this event that took place on October. Eighteenth two thousand nineteen roughly about six weeks before we started to get the first reports of the Krona virus outbreak there in China the participants included the United Nations the World Health Organization World Economic Forum. Both the American and Chinese. Cdc The media major banks vaccine manufacturers. And of course the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in this simulation. There was five hours of footage. It's online and you can watch the whole thing. I did watch the whole thing. And my job was Literally hanging next to near the floor when I was seeing this. You are Com compilation of the highlights of that. I don't know how long your video was of that. It was like twenty minutes I think it just never stopped hitting the most important points and every time I read the newspaper especially since I watched that video I cannot read an article without seeing some feature of events who are one in it or the call to action which. I don't know if you've read on the Johns Hopkins website. That was supposed to come out of that. It's just either from the newscasts that you put in that video from the event who are one thing or from their call to action other material. It's just it's it's a mirror image of their agenda and narrative unfolding absolutely. That's that's the way I felt about it when I was watching this. Because they even created a fake or mock up a news broadcasts that were that were shown to the panelists they're participating and We're as we watch this pin number this outbreak unfold. It's literally like we're watching the simulation play itself out and in an eerily fashion. Exactly you could put those news broadcasts use mentioned you could put those in the news right now and people would not know the difference because they sound exactly like right. Were going on. I was a little nervous because we played one of those on radio. Show on terrestrial radio on WGN ATLANTA. I was nervous that I would play. That and people would think it was real like a war of the worlds scenario where they say what's happening. Everyone's like yeah yeah. I heard that her that. And then she's like sixty five million people died and I thought people are GonNa Weird out if I play that. You're absolutely right. That's a good point it's Because it was so realistic but but so similar to what? We're seeing play out right now and very realistic. And so as the as the event to a one to place. They covered several different topics including continuity of infrastructure and also the telecommunications and communications portion which included basically The way that they see that they need to control the information control the narrative and Including with the media and with social media and the role that social media needs to play In basically in order to censor information that does not fit the official narrative and it was even suggested that Jail time for people who spoke out claiming they referenced. Conspiracy Theorists Guy. Roux suggested to jail time. I think it was a guy from Singapore the Singapore Financial Authority. And it's funny. Because Singapore does that. It's like Oh you WANNA ban drugs. We can do that like okay. That's going a little too far China flow to the death penalty for people spreading false information that harms people unbelievable. And so again. That's one perfect example of how the simulation compares to real world events unfolding so the the simulation in itself as you said it's it's it's incredible to see and I I try to condense it down the most important information that I could at that point in time to that twenty minute report and so we have that event alone right there which raises a lot of red flags. But that's not the only event that took place before the actual Krono virus outbreak on that exact same day October eighteenth two thousand nineteen the World Military Games were holding their opening ceremonies. And and it's sort of like an Olympics for the military and there were nearly ten thousand military athletes Competing at from one hundred and ten different nations around the world and it was being held in. Wuhan the exact same day as the corona virus Simulation was taking place in New York City and both of them have major United Nations Support in mcing in the opening ceremonies. There's a about a five or six minute Piece where Chinese military troops come out wearing the blue United Nations helmet and conduct this huge ceremony and again when I had seen this the footage of this which included in a separate report Again my jaw is just hanging down. It's like what what are the chances that at the exact same day at the same time there is these these two major events taking place The one in your city simulated macron virus outbreak and then the one in Wuhan China which is now Ground Zero for the corona virus outbreak. That was amazing. I saw that you put that out earlier just yesterday or today. Pack past couple of days. I had not seen that before and I immediately tried to figure out if there was anybody in attendance from those countries. I did see some names. I couldn't find an attendance list what I wanted to what I was wondering if there was was if there were representatives from each of that of those many many governments using this as an opportunity to kind of coordinate without having to do stuff digitally or whatever sometimes like if something's afoot you see John McCain POPs up in Ukraine or John Brennan you know and you're just like oh they're they're so they can have a face to face conversation and kind of get things going without having any digital record. I think and I wondered if maybe this was an opportunity for people to do that. And I've got my eyes open to the thirty bigger countries. That did not participate. And I'm guessing that they do not chime into the narrative I mean I'm just going to follow up on that and maybe we'll be true but there's definitely a potential for something fishy going on on that with that scenario. What you're absolutely right. That's something that needs to be investigated needs to be looked at and when you look at okay so in Wuhan China you have one hundred. Ten differ nation's military personnel in Wuhan China right before the outbreak. Six weeks before now. I'm not saying that this is what happened for. I'm just saying like hey everyone. We need to pay attention to this as as a potential source of the outbreak I I recently spoke with former. Cia operative and now whistle blower vern lion about this. I wanted to bounce this theory off of him and see what he had to say. Because this this military world games would have provided the perfect cover. If an intelligence agency or military operation wanted to conduct some type of an operation to contaminate orch unleash a bio weapon potentially they're In Wuhan knowing full full well that in Wuhan China there is a level four bio weapons lab rate there and Wuhan China not far from the food market where the media tries to claim that this originated from so if they were to conduct an operation there this would provide the perfect cover knowing that it did get exposed that there was a bio that this was a bio weapon that the nearby level four lab would take the blame. That's a very interesting twist because I was wondering why everyone from the White House to Senator. Cotton was broadcasting that. Oh we think it's the BIO weapons lab. I thought I remember you. Identifying one of the earlier videos that the web bioweapons bioweapons levels there but I had no way really to validate that and then from the highest levels of US government. They totally validate that. And I kind of thought that was a conspiracy theory that suited the event to a one thing because all that media suppression was based on the fact that dangerous conspiracy theories were going to prompt protests and anger and get in the way of governments responding to this so they needed a conspiracy theory and there certainly are a few being floated around you make great points there and and independent to on they also Bounce the idea around of limited Internet shutdowns to try to prevent the conspiracy theories as they continued to spread So there's there's a lot and these. These are people that were selected. Not just people but organizations that were selected to head up this this Event the simulation of the corona virus outbreak that was meant to advise the World Health Organization. Who is now actively responding to this outbreak? So it's been the same guys who were involved in event to a one are out there on the front lines. George Gab Mike Ryan from. Who but George Gow? Who's the CDC China head curious that they are responding to it because the idea of training on the surface is that you're supposed to be good? You're supposed to learn to get good at handling something like this. But every decision they have made everything about releasing the passengers of the diamond princess around the world and now infections are showing up all over the world. Every decision. They're making is the wrong decision yet. They just did this training. That makes you see. They haven't alterior motive. Well it's there certainly things that should be questioned I. I don't think that it's good for anyone to just blindly trust You know what the government and what? These agencies are doing You know it's the media's job to to keep the government in check in unfortunately the majority of the media is compromised and so it's up to shows like this one the work that you guys are doing and others out there To to raise of potential alternatives to to question the official stories. Because there is a lot of things here that You know people come. Coincidences others column synchronicity. It's definitely things that need to be looked at investigated independently. Do you think Spiro. Do you have an idea of what is really going on. If you had to come out and say like I think this is what's happening and I think this is why or you simply just focusing on the research putting the facts out there and seeing how they develop typically with my reports. I try to keep my own personal Viewpoints out of them as much as possible and let the audience. I tried to present the facts and and and let the audience viewers themselves make up their own minds sometimes I do inject my own Personal viewpoints and. I try to make that clear when I do that. I don't want to tell people what to think. But I did just interview Professor Francis Boyle for the second time earlier today and he is the man who wrote he authored the US biowarfare. Act Back in one thousand nine hundred nine and he's a professor of law. He's considered to be a top expert on this topic and the interview which will be published by the time this. I'm sure we'll was extremely explosive. The the interview is extremely bombshell in my opinion because he had in his possession four different studies that just came out here recently within the last few days up to a week which he says are is smoking gun evidence that determines that this will haunt corona virus. The cove in nineteen has been weaponized. And these these are major published studies. This this isn't you know conspiracy theory. This isn't somewhere off of the the dark ends of the Internet This man is extremely Has has the the pedigree toback it up as well so in in his belief is that an in what he went over the studies is that the US of course has their own of biological warfare programmes which his his biowarfare act was supposed to keep in check and prevent from being weaponized. Which of course they're doing anyways and the US Was working with China. The there was a scientist from that Wuhan Center that Wuhan by four that level four lab they had sent to the University of North Carolina to work on what they call gain of function for these. Yes he's been telling us about that. He dug into some of that absolutely in that in itself indicates that it was altered and weaponized gain of function to Make it a deadlier for example more infectious..
How to donate wisely and avoid charity scams
"Today is giving Tuesday when nonprofit groups ask people for donations during the holiday season the state department of agriculture trade and consumer protection and the better Spiro says people need to be aware of possible charity scams they recommend verifying web addresses to make sure they are real not giving to people who call and ask for an immediate donation and be wary of emotional
"g. spiro" Discussed on KQED Radio
"In my college of commissions the member states do not propose enough female commissions I will not hesitate to ask for new names since nineteen hundred fifty eight there have been one hundred eighty three commissioners only thirty five were women that is less less than twenty percent we we present how full of our population we want our fair share underlying the new E. U. commission president Thomas Sparro on the line from Berlin how important is this gender balance for her it will be very important for how we just heard her mention that aspect and let's not forget that she's the first woman to occupy these very important position of the E. U. commission president so it will certainly play an important role she's a very experienced politician a very controversial politician as well but as such she is someone who certainly brings a lot of experiences as well as a very important petition in Jan us you have the full support of German chancellor Angela Merkel and another of can you call them Merkel's ladies another female has taken over the defense ministry in Germany and we're talking about to connect come come come by or a K. K. who has led to under Michael's conservative center right CD you party since last year she is in fact being described as a possible successor to I'm gonna Michael as German chancellor I'm very surprisingly she accepted to become was enough underlines replacement as German minister of defense and foreign minimums very important under Michael is in the last few years of a political career but by making sure that two of the key allies we're talking about old enough on the line as head of the European Commission and Annika compound bow as a leader of the party and German minister of defense that essentially means that I'm gonna Michael can be sure that part of a political legacy will continue even after she leaves the German chancellor Thomas borrow thank you very much always a pleasure the psalmist Spiro DW's political correspondent on the line from Berlin phone in general you're listening to inside here Turkey.
"g. spiro" Discussed on KDWN 720AM
"Vice president Spiro Agnew was among the first national politicians on the right to exploit the division between the mainstream press pose of objectivity and the clear viewpoints that were shaping journalists coverage what happened to Woodrow Wilson. And the Sedition Act of nineteen eighteen. What happened to that? And his propaganda, movement, and is censorship, movement and is imprisoning of journalists as well as political, why does he skip over that what happened to Franklin Roosevelt and his unleashing the IRS? Against Moses Annenberg because the Philadelphia Inquirer and support the new deal. And his wife, Eleanor, who sick, the IRS on get what happened to them. What happened to John Kennedy and his association with the media, what happened to Linden all skipped? All missed. But Spiro Agnew UC's crucially important. Vice president Spiro Agnew was among the first national politicians on the right. Took the division between the mainstream press pose of objectivity and the clear viewpoints that were shaping journalists coverage part of Agnes genius was to lump all reporters and news organizations Senate, a vast undifferentiated media, did he just tell us what was going on in newsrooms plural? That conspired to produce. A twist of the counter the news, that little resemble the world is conservative view that this portrayal undermine confidence in the press. More generally, no. Unfortunately Agnew would resign and shame. It wasn't Agnew. It wasn't any politician. It was the modern mass media. That undermine confidence. In the press. Books, such as TV guide writer Edith, ephrons, the news. Twisters published in nineteen seventy-one purported analyze the leftward, lean of the press, but they scholarly veneer and offered support for the administration's move to undercut the media's collective credibility. Dozens of books have followed in their wake ladies and gentlemen. Ask a question of you read any of these books? No, the vast majority of Americans read any of these books. No. So he's talking about this. But that's didn't have any effect at all. Nineteen seventy-one Lucas join with colleagues defined more. Hey journalistic re journalism review that tried to nudge, elite news organizations into a new set of practices and values for the press ones that acknowledged to some extent, the inherent subjectivity of news. Reporting Moore's goal was to leave.
Prosecutors accuse Kraft's lawyers of lying in court
"In Florida. Prosecutors are accusing to attorneys representing patriots owner Robert Kraft with lying in court in his prostitution solicitation, case Palm Beach county state attorney's office asking that attorneys, Alex Spiro and William Burke, be held in contempt. Burke denies the allegations saying prosecutors are desperate craft has pleaded not guilty
Would Facebook get any better if we fined Mark Zuckerberg for fake news? (The 3:59, Ep. 540)
"Welcome to the three fifty nine. I'm Joanie Saltzman. I'm Alfred could we clean up the cesspool on social media. If tech companies and their executives were held personally held responsible for awfulness posted there if flies in the face of fundamental principle of the internet, but the u k released a plan on Monday that would create an internet safety regulator to do just that this regulator would hold tech companies legally responsible if they don't remove things like terrorist, videos, or hate speech quickly enough. What do you think are some of the biggest questions or concerns about this kind of plan? Look, I think it's important for companies to be responsible for curbing racism terrorism child pornography, all these issues that are proliferating online. I do think that this Bill or this proposal in the UK is taking maybe a little bit too far here. There's I think the biggest concern from a lot of like full folks in tech is about free speech, and essentially what kind. Content. Can and cannot be posted on social media, holding them this responsible. I don't think is really a sound plan. Yeah. Well, there's gonna be a period of people get a like submit their proposals Smith their feedback for this, man. But it does like it's counter. It's countered to vary. Like idea that these companies wouldn't be held responsible for anything post, and we've seen the bad consequences of that as you said. But there are these other like you have to consider what about human rights like is it does that mean there's going to be these false negatives where people are trying to expose human rights violations. And instead they get pulled down before people can know that actual horrible things are happening in actual world. Yes. So tech companies were able to grow in the US because of section two thirty of the Communications Decency Act, which basically prevented them exact from things. The idea was that tech companies can't be sued for any kind of content. That's posted on its website because these are users posting and this isn't. Google or Facebook themselves going out and posting these horrible videos or anything like that. But I think that you know that Bill is pretty old and they're having lawmakers suggesting changes to that. But I would again argue that you should try very carefully when it comes to that. Because there's so many like free speech speech issues that come with that. Yeah. Yeah. Moving on the best place to check robots VR. Three D printing may become your local library as the world at large becomes more technologically advanced libraries are sticking sleek. High tech lab capabilities next to their shelves of books. So in addition of putting more books online to borrow digitally summaries, adding things like Spiro, robots raspberry pi computers, go pros VR goggles and three D printers. Have you ever been to a liberty? Like, this my college library had a three d printer. But I also paid a lot of money to go. Right. I can say I definitely appreciate more libraries having these for public access. Right. I think that's the idea when I go to Sundance and Park City Utah, and it's a very it's a it's a area where there's a lot of money that comes in. And so there's a lot of public infrastructure for their library is sick. They have a three D printer. You can go in and you can use that there's the are goggles. There's this whole room set up where you can just stroll in and try these cool technology, and I think that as all this tech develops were falling into this kind of territory where this tech can only be for people that have money in our praise enough to buy three D printer or something like that you're going to be excluded from that. And I've always looked at libraries as as a good resource for people that don't have the money for things like that. I know when I was a kid like we couldn't buy a printer. Go to a library printouts stuff all the time. Right. And so this is kind of like, it's a progression on that theme libraries have had things like copiers fax machines, printers technology that now is kind of arcane, but at the time. Time was something that other people maybe couldn't act. Yes. And I think three D printers might be a lot more useful in that regard. I know that in prisons they like have to three D print like teeth sometimes things I mean, they could you could use that as an actual resource at your life. Sending teeth to our prisoners and their inadequate healthcare. Okay. Moving on. And finally, our Jessica Doku Travis Chicago last week to test risings new five G network the day after it launched the experience made her want to cry. Check out that story and many others on CNN dot com. I'm Joanie salesman mile for doing thanks.
HealthTech - The Wearable Reducing Hospital Readmissions
"Today, I want to turn my attention back to health tech. Current health recently announced that he's a powered remote patient monitoring wearable device. Receive class to clearance from the US food and Drug administration, the FDA for hospital care, and this current wireless device provides continuous ICU level patient monitoring, which essentially enables clinicians to better determine the hell trajectory and intervene early an ultimate -ly improve patient outcomes and current health. Ceo, Christopher mcken has been on the podcast before. But I invite him back on again today. So we can discuss the advancements being made in healthcare an IOT and out together, the helping improve patient care so book up and hold on tight as I beam your ears all the way to Edinburgh in Scotland. So we can speak with Christopher mcken CEO at current health. So massive warm. Welcome back to the show. Chris can you tell snooze? Labat who you are. And what you do. Yeah. Hi, Neal delighted to be buying. I'm trust me cannon. I'm the CEO and cool friend or of current health. And I think the last thing we would on your show we were knowing not forty but we've saying helpfully changed name though to not cut it. We health tech company based in Edinburgh and New York, raise the eleven million dollars and employees currently people although were were growing rapidly at the moment. Now, we last spoke on I think it was episode six hundred sixty seven where he revealed your ally powered patient monitor solution and just went on it Mr. episode, can you give them a quick overview of what current health is. Maybe the story behind your rebranding and the problems that you set out to solve a cool. And so my my win by in the computer science and then medicine, and I started the company with my cool brendor actually is a major who shouldn't. And the the problem are our meshing that we had was really simple. We just wanted to help help them to identify patients the at risk of getting that on Ilia point. And Ray, no, the don't really have a way of minting visibility of patient hell on those signing when that patient is stopping to deteriorate on and getting to go and see that patient Elliot here that is both an exact. So we do is winnable on the upper arm of the patient. We monitor them across a whole bunch of ideological matrix where and super high accuracy, so things like oceans accusation and responded to rate, and we integrate with a bunch of other devices are in the body from things like Spiro McRae or wait. And then we take all of that information and use it under signed as a patient health trajectory, and can we LA are a health care professional much much jelly appoint than currently possible. So they can intervene L E R, and we rebranded because our or existing name Billick. It didn't really really set with what we were trying to achieve then really mean anything until I actually am. We just happen to the dot com. The name and went with it. So we decided that we would we would try and fight the name that was more fighting for the mesh that we were trying to achieve and we went with Conan hill. I playoffs a fantastic move as well. The difference between snap Fulton and current health. You just know exactly what it is straight away. Yeah. We we think we feel much happier with it. And since we last spoke you recently, an absent your AI, powered remote patient monitoring wells device receive class to clearance from the US food and Drug administration the FDA old for hospital offer hospital care. I mean, that's an incredibly big deal for you. You guys he told me a little bit more about what that means for you at current house. Yeah. I mean, it was an amazing. My also in forest is the culmination of 'em yields of walk on the part of our team, and we're one of a very very small number of and devices anywhere in the world. Weser vacation, and it gives us actor the US market, but it's also an enormous validation point from and one of the world's most most diligent regulate does it was a huge amount of work and photos together, and it was a huge sum Hove stamp of approval for his when we actually go to 'em celebration for the team and all the work that the. It feels like a huge step in the right direction. But how did you see the advancements in healthcare, and I oversee and how to get how do you think that can all actually improve patient care and move to more than like a proactive approach to healthcare all the traditional reactive? Yeah. Well, I think if you will through waned one hundred years the disease that we saw for indict from where different than the RTD and infant mentality was higher and hundred years ago and life expectancy was lore, and we tended to die quick are from shore or Talamo Lucy's whereas today, thanks to the incredible environments and science and medicine, we can all live longer disease that would have been a death sentence one hundred years ago, or no, long-term lovable and chronic. And that's great. But the flip side of that is or health systems are no facing real strain from an older population who have disease that require and more frequent contact on long management. So, you know, shoe
"g. spiro" Discussed on Fresh Air
"And in Watergate, and we know how it ended both for Nixon and Agnew. But that doesn't mean it's going to necessarily end the same way. Now history is informative but not determinative in terms of what happens next. I I do feel like it helps to understand. That even though it feels like a lot of what we're going through is unprecedented or worse than we can possibly imagine the more, you know, about previous scandals in US history. The more you realize that some of this stuff is not unprecedented. And that we have not only been confronted with some of these same problems and crises in the past. We've survived them and done. So in a way that we can be proud of in terms of the way that our democracy handled challenges and Agnes case because of some heroic individuals, and because the system held and because of some historical accidents in terms of the way things worked out, I think the Agnew story is really helpful to understanding the way the system works when it confronts bad behavior by people in high office, we are capable of dealing with that as a country in a way that makes us proud of the people who are in public office who are dealing with it. I just want to say in conclusion to our listeners we've just touched on some of the. Story that's told him bagman. There's a lot more story in it. And really interesting clips as well. So the podcast is called bagman and my guest, Rachel meadow. Co wrote it with Mike yardage, the producer of the podcast and Rachel, of course, also hosts her own show on MSNBC weekday nights at nine o'clock. Thank you both so much for talking with us, Terry. Thank you so much. This was a ton of fun. Thank you. Thanks. Terry was an honor. Tomorrow on fresh air. My guest will be Kevin Hart who stand up comedy sells out stadiums. He starts with Bryan Cranston in the new movie. The upside last month heart stepped down from hosting this year's Oscars after facing criticism for earlier, homophobic, jokes and tweets. The story is still developing hope you'll join us. Fresh Air's executive producer Stanley Miller, our technical director and engineers, Audrey Bentham. Our associate producer for digital media is Molly seavy nesper. Roberta shorrock directs the show. I'm Terry gross.
"g. spiro" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Let's get back to my interview with Rachel Maddow, host of MSNBC's. The Rachel Maddow show and Mike yard. It's a former senior producer of the show. So let's just get a sense of what chaos. Our government was in an October of nineteen Seventy-three Adna resigns, and then ten days later what happens ten days later is the Saturday night massacre. I mean, it's it's amazing. It's not even two weeks later that Nixon orders, the attorney general to fire the special prosecutor who is pursuing the Watergate case that attorney general, of course, is Elliot Richardson, the man who just secured the resignation of Nixon's vice president Richardson objected to that order from the president. He resigned in protest deputy attorney general then resigned in protest. Ultimately, it went down down the line of succession at the Justice department until the solicitor general Robert Bork was willing to fire. The Watergate prosecutor that will happen. Within two weeks of of of Agnew surprise being forced from office in this dramatic showdown in a courtroom in Maryland. And I actually think that the the closeness of those two events in the timeline is part of the reason that the Agnew story is so poorly. Understood I mean Watergate was at a full roiling boil by the time Agnew was going through this entirely separate drama and the history of Elliot Richardson is very much inflicted by the heroic way in which he resisted Nixon's order and resigned on that Saturday massacre in the middle of that Saturday night massacre drama, but that was so close in time to what he had done with Agnew that I sort of feel like we've got limited bandwidth as Americans in terms of our history books. We can only remember so so many events from one particular time in history. And so I knew ended up slinging into the shadows. On that one is so Elliott, Richard. Jason the then attorney general ah so important in bringing down vice president Agnew and in the Watergate investigation. Now, I have an acting attorney general who actively supports President Trump and President Trump is under investigation, and we have a nominee to be the attorney general who opposes the Muller investigation. So we're in a very different situation right now. Yeah. It's it's it's interesting to see the I guess the the strength of the Justice department through various lenses of history. I mean, the Justice department has rules it has its own traditions. It has its own pride in its own independence and competence. It's also an institution that is run by human beings who have different strengths and weaknesses and alliances that they bring with them to their jobs and part of the story of Agnew is the heroism of George bell. This Republican US Turney age all thirty five who supervised this investigation and resisted all this pressure. That was being put on him by the most powerful people in the country in his family, and in his own party part of the story of Agnew is the statesmanship of Elliot Richardson, and the way that he approached this in the way that he prioritized the needs of the country over the individual concerns of his own prosecutors and the individual sort of impact. Gives of this criminal case that he was dealing with involving Agnew. And you have to wonder if people of that caliber were not in those powerful positions at that important time would we have had a different outcome for the country. Would we have would we have had president Agnew? Rachel, you re tweeted presidential historian, Michael Beschloss tweet you did this on Tuesday of this week, and it's very relevant to the conversation that we're having Beschloss tweeted Nixon on Watergate in state of the union forty five years ago this month. Quote, I believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end one year of Watergate is enough. Exclamation point. That sounds familiar. Yeah. It is amazing. How much the history rhymes here? I mean, we don't do anything exactly twice. But the parallels with what was going on in the Nixon and Agnew administration. Forty. Five years ago to the efforts by the Trump administration right now to Perry this investigation, and these swirling scandals around this presidency. It is uncanny the attacks on the press the attacks on the Justice department, the efforts to undermine the independence of the Justice department the attacks on individual prosecutors the effort to claim publicly that there's something improper about the length of the investigation all of these things have direct parallels in the Agnew scandal..
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"And this to me is where you get into some of the most important and fuzzy implications. Of the end of Agnew as vice president of the United States because the Agnew legal team was maintaining publicly that Agnew as vice president was immune from prosecution that he couldn't be indicted, the office of legal counsel, the Justice department at the time was asked to weigh on way in on this matter, and they produced a sort of strange memo, which said, well, the president can't be indicted, but the vice president can sort of odd duck that that memo, but on the basis of that opinion, the attorney general and these prosecutors went tag news legal team and said, hey, we can indict you and we intend to and what do you have to trade for that? And those negotiations went on for a long time, and they were complex and important. But ultimately the deal that was reached was that Agnew would only have to plead no contest to one count. He wouldn't do any jail time. But he would have to resign immediately. And what was the count that he pled to he pled to taxi vision? But he he. Didn't plead guilty. He pled. He pled, no contest. So th this is why when people think about Agnew leaving office. They just think of like, oh, tax fraud and anything. Yeah. He got caught fiddling something with his deductions. I mean, it was such a bigger story. Yeah. Yeah. And in a way that that is a credit to Spiro Agnew defense attorneys who were able to secure in exchange for his immediate resignation from office. This this plea to a single count of tax evasion in a single year. And so you know, when you look back at the history of Spiro Agnew just doing sort of cursory search of it. That's what you find is that, you know, vice president Spiro Agnew resigned on account of tax evasion. But it was it was a very drawn out process between avenues defense, lawyers and attorney general Elliot Richardson, really negotiating this this agreement that would result in one one count of tax evasion. So one of the questions surrounding President Trump. Now a question that surrounded president Nixon and vice president Agnew is Cana sitting president be indicted. On criminal charges or Agnes cases. Vice president does the Agnew story that you've told so well in bag man have any lessons for us today that can help answer that question. I think that there are puzzles on both sides of this if Agnew's defense team, and if Agnew himself didn't believe that a vice president could be indicted, which is what they maintained in argued publicly at the time. Well, then why did they talk to prosecutors at all they were maintaining a public argument that prosecutors essentially had no power over a sitting president or vice president they couldn't touch him. Well, if so why did they even talk to those? Prosecutors let alone enter into a negotiation with them that resulted in the vice president's resignation on the other side. Prosecutors were claiming that they could indict a sitting vice president, and they were fully willing to well if so if they were confident in that, then why did they go through this choreography? Why did they take such pains to ensure that by the time Agnew pled to that tax evasion count by the time he was in that courtroom? He had resigned. I I mean he resigned moments before he stepped into that courthouse. And they made sure that was the sequence of events had he resigned as vice president moments after he pled or after he was indicted. We would have an entirely separate legal precedent on this case that a president or vice president could be indicted in this case they sidestepped that issue by allowing him to resign. I that's fast. I'm I I'm still puzzled as to whether or not they were bluffing that they weren't totally sure they could indict him, or what would have happened had that Justice department opinion that said he could be indicted actually been tested in court. They sidestepped the test by letting him resign..
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"Kind of a whole week of the news networks, basically talking most of the time about George H W Bush's presidency. What a model president he was and suddenly his name crops up in your podcast about the Agnew bribery, and extortion scheme and the attempt to shut down the investigation. Tell us how George H W Bush comes up in this. So when Agnew and the Nixon White House, we're trying to put together a scheme to shut down this prosecution of Agnew. They lit on this idea that the US attorney in Maryland who was leading the investigation that he could be pressured through his family to stop this thing. So the White House needed somebody to put that pressure on him Nixon says on tape that he's not going to do it himself. So Nixon staff is like, oh, no, no, sir. Of course, you can't do that yourself. It seems like Agnew did a little bit of it himself. There was a lot of discussion about different senior White House figures being asked to go put that pressure on that Senator, but ultimately for variety of reasons the person or one of the persons who they decided to dispatch to pressure that Senator to try to shut down. That investigation was the then head of the Republican National Committee, the head of the Republican party who was George H W Bush. So we know that he actually went to the senator's office to try to get him to pressure his brother to stop the investigation. But do we really know what he said, we know we know he had the meanings. But I I was wondering like did H W Bush go to the Senator and say, I was told to tell you this. I'm telling you this. I'm not telling you to do it. I'm just telling you, I was told to tell you this. I've told you this goodbye. Thank you do. You know what I mean? So it's like, I'm doing my job. I'm telling you. But I'm not pressuring you. I'm just reporting what they told me to tell you in a neutral. We don't have. We don't have recording of what happened between George H W Bush and this Republican Senator, but I mean, Mike was able to turn up pretty good evidence on both sides of the request. And what was apparently the delivery of the pressure by George H W Bush. So we we at least can see some of the dock. Commentator of it. Right. That's yeah. That's right. We can hear obviously, the White House tapes where Al Haig is informing president Nixon that he's you know, he says I did it through George Bush on the first run. Meaning I spoke to George Bush and told him to deliver this message to the Senator to get through to his brother. And so we know from that end that Al Haig, and Richard Nixon oversaw this effort to have George Bush do that in one of the things that we found in reporting the story was trip that I took to George bells archives at Frostburg state university of Maryland where he wrote a memo to file that lives in his archives in which he memorialize us for the record. The fact that his brother the sitting Republican Senator Glen bell did rela- a conversation that was had with him by George Bush, and we don't know the exact nature of the conversation. But it was part of this effort from Agnew. Due to say that these prosecutors were intimidating people and were conducting this investigation in an unprofessional manner. And we can see in this memo to file from that summer of nineteen Seventy-three that George H W Bush who was then Republican party chairman did speak to the Republican Senator there to try to get word to his brother about this investigation. You also have on tape Adnew saying get this thing the investigation get this thing over with and get the sky, Nick one of the prosecutors, who's a musky volunteer the hell out of his office. Where did you find that statement? Well, that one we found on one of these Nixon White House tapes, which was a conversation that Spiro Agnew was having with Richard Nixon in the Oval Office in that was you know, when you talk about this sort of elements of obstruction and the efforts to shut down this investigation that was that seemed to be a prime motivator force bureau, which was to get this federal prosecutor Barney Skolnick who was the lead prosecutor on this three man team to get him thrown off the case..
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"That was being led by the US attorney in Maryland man, named George bell and the way that Agnew tried to do it was by getting to George Bell's brother who was a sitting Republican Senator from Maryland named Glen bell. And what you hear in these tapes is this really elaborate plan that Spiro Agnew discussing in the Oval Office with Richard Nixon and others to basically get to this Republican Senator behind the scene. Enes and have him essentially get word to his brother to shut down this investigation. And as you mentioned, this was a an obstruction effort that prosecutors at the time didn't know about and one of the surprising and amazing things to us as we were putting together this podcast was that even forty five years later, they weren't aware of it. And so their reaction now to hearing about this effort to obstruct an end their investigation. It was a revelatory moment in in putting together this podcast, which is that they they were completely unaware in the reason that they weren't is. Because ultimately, the obstruction effort didn't work and George bell their boss. The US attorney was getting that pressure from his brother, and he shut it down. He didn't let it get to his federal prosecutors were working on the case he shot and the attempt to shut down the investigation. That's right. That's right. He resisted that pressure. That was coming at him from the Nixon White House and from his brother, okay? In case anybody's finding the story hard to follow. So George bell is the federal prosecutor in Maryland overseeing the investigation into Adnew. His brother is a Republican sitting Senator from Maryland who's getting pressured from the White House. So the senators being pressured to tell his brother the prosecutor shut it down. Any other nice dynamic at work. There is that George bells older brother, the US Senator he really owed his Senate seat to Nixon and Agnew, Nixon and Agnew had weighed in very heavily during his election campaign to help him win that seat Jorge and Glenn the brothers. Their father had previously held that US Senate seat. He had been ousted by democrat, Nixon and Agnew in the White House. Wade into help the bell family to help George bells. Older brother win that seat back that their father had previously held the bell family was absolutely indebted to the Nixon White House to Agnew personally. Because he campaigned. For that Senate seat as a big figure in Maryland politics for them to win it. And so for then little brother, George bell to turn around and bring prosecution against Agnew when his family was so politically and personally indebted to Agnew, and when Agnew was reminding them of that at every turn and bringing all of these different Republican graybeards and important people to weigh in to try to pressure. This investigation to stop. I mean, George bell was a heroic figure here in the way that he resisted the pressure. That was brought against him. My guests are Rachel meadow. And Mike Yar Vitz who collaborated on the podcast bagman. A seven part series about the bribery and extortion investigation into vice president Spiro Agnew, and how it forced his resignation motto hosts MSNBC's the Rachel maddow's show yards is a former senior producer of the show after a break. We'll talk about how George H W Bush figures into Agnew's attempt to stop the investigation, and we'll talk about lessons. From the Agnew story that may be relevant to the investigations into Donald Trump. I'm Terry gross. And this is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from duck, duck go in a time when some big tech companies are surveilling your every move online. Duck duck. Go has a private search engine that allows people to search without being tracked, plus their mobile, apps and browser extensions. Block sketchy add trackers across the web. Visit duck duck go dot com slash listen to take back your privacy..
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"And so Richardson in a real way is the person who sort of allows this investigation to sort of reach. It's the conclusion that it needs to. So when Agnew finds out he's under investigation. He wants to shut it down before we get to the the really big way. He tries to shut it down. What are some of the smaller ways of attacking the people who are investigating? One of the first signs that the Baltimore prosecutors had that they were maybe onto something big that related to the vice president is that when Agnew heard that. There was an investigation going on into public corruption in Baltimore County back in Maryland, he made himself available to the attorney general he started importuner himself into the scandal himself, even before he had ever been named in conjunction with it, actually, even before the attorney general knew that this investigation was going on it had risen to the level where the attorney general himself would be notified so Agnew had his intent up and knew that this was something that could get him in trouble. And so he got himself more in trouble by raising his hand and saying, hey, Mr. attorney general this investigation this needs to stop that was sort of. Prosecutors I signed that maybe he was involved in it that was not a genius move on Agnew's part. But then he continued efforts through the attorney general. Directly, and ultimately through the US attorney who was supervising the investigation Maryland to pressure them into stopping the investigation simply because Agnew thought. They should and one of the things that's that's interesting to see in terms of that strategy that Rachel's talking about is his effort to sort of behind the scenes cast. These federal prosecutors as biased he's sort of making an effort within the White House to say that these prosecutors are unprofessional and that they have political vendettas against him. And so as part of this obstruction effort, he is trying to sort of malign the character of the prosecutors who were in the process of investigating him that has a familiar ring to it. Sure does. So you found something like that. The prosecutors didn't even know at the time, and that this was there was a secret plan that Agnew had to shut down the investigation. Would you describe that secret plan? Yeah. You know, it's an interesting part of us digging into the story was looking through the Nixon White House recordings. And obviously, those recordings have been very picked over as it relates to Watergate, but not as picked over as it relates to the Agnew scandal. And what we found as we were sort of listening through the recordings was this effort that Spiro Agnew developed behind the scenes with Richard Nixon and with h r Haldeman and other White House officials to try to shut down this investigation..
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"And they ultimately didn't let him take that over. But we can now see knowing his criminal designs, and knowing how criminal scheme worked that his effort to do that. Once he was vicepresident, which again failed must have been an effort to get control of more contracts that he could then dole out in this kickbacks game that would earn him some cash. So once the Maryland federal prosecutors found out about talk of this bribery, and extortion scheme involving Agnew. They wanted to investigate and see what they can find they needed the green light from the. Newly appointed attorney general, Elliot Richardson. He was appointed in the spring of nineteen Seventy-three Richardson had already appointed a special prosecutor to investigate Watergate. So what was Richardson's reaction when he was told by his prosecutors that they wanted to investigate the vice president and bribery, and extortion Richardson was in an amazing situation here because he was not only the attorney general the third Nixon attorney general at that point the first two had resigned in Watergate adjacent scandals of their own. He's the third Nixon attorney general there is the special prosecutor's looking into Watergate, he's responsible for that to a certain extent as attorney general, but he's also become a sounding board for Nixon himself. Nixon is frequently personally calling Elliot Richardson at that point to complain about various elements of the Watergate investigation in the scandal surrounding him and that gives Richardson an insight into. The president's state of mind and how much this investigation is affecting him and distracting him and dominating his life as president and on top of that a totally unrelated scandal is brought to his desk from these Baltimore prosecutors who had not started off investigating Agnew. They had just started investigating. But what was known to be a public corruption problem in Maryland. They did not expect that it would take them to the door of the sitting vice president. But it did by the time they came to Richardson, they had a ton of evidence against the sitting vice president, and they were essentially bringing him something brand new and something potentially equally catastrophic for the White House to the Watergate scandal he was already dealing with. So Richardson is getting pressured by Agnew like don't do anything about this Richardson could have put a stop to this right there. But he didn't he could've and that's one of the really served dramatic scenes that plays out in this podcast. And that the prosecutors were counted for us as this July third nine thousand nine hundred. Three meeting where they're going to the Justice department to meet with Richardson for the first time, and they know that they've got the sort of bombshell on their hands. They understand Watergate is going on at the time. And and the consequences of this are are incredible going into that meeting as they recount, they don't know what Elliot Richardson is going to do as they're laying out all of this evidence that they've collected against the sitting vice president they're sort of looking at Elliot Richardson's face trying to sort of calculate what he's going to do in Richardson during this meeting has been called out of the room for phone calls from the White House about Watergate from Nixon from Alhag, and so it's incredible pressure. That Elliot Richardson is under at the time, which the prosecutors are aware of and it's not until at the end of that meeting that it becomes clear to the prosecutors, Elliot Richardson is not going to shut this investigation down. He understands the importance of it. And he basically gives them the green light to keep investigating and that they would keep the this investigation secret. Including from the White House until such time as they needed to to sort of move forward with a more formal part of the investigation..
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"I mean that was kind of a disconnect for me. So let's get to the bribery and extortion scheme that he was part of in Maryland, what was the scheme. Yes, sensually. It was a scheme that he had concocted when he was Baltimore County executive where he realized that he had the power to award some local contracts for engineering and architecture, and he could single handedly decide who got the contract, and what he put together was a scheme that predated his time in that office. But he would arrange with these local contractors engineers and architects that they would get the contract and in return, they would kick back to him something on the order of three to five percent of whatever they were making off of that contract in these were kickbacks that were delivered to him in cash often in in an envelope. That was just brought to him and handed him directly in many cases, use the bagman as part of this scheme, and it was a scheme that he started. When he was Baltimore County executive that he then continued when he was governor of Maryland. And again, he used a state roads Commissioner when? He was governor. And basically, it was a kickback scheme. It was a bribery and extortion scheme in which if you wanted a government contract in Maryland, you would have to kick back money to Spiro Agnew. And it was it was brazen. And it was delivered in cash, and and he started that scheme in local politics. And then he carried a run into the White House. How did it continue into the White House? Well, when he was vice president he didn't have as much power to award contracts. That's a federal process, but when he became vice president he was still taking money for contracts that had ripened essentially that he had given out in Maryland as governor. And so the the men who were sort of streaming into his office at the White House were paying him money for contracts. They had gotten in Maryland. And in some cases, he was trying to influence the awarding of federal contracts, and he was successful in number of cases at steering federal contracts to these businessmen in Maryland who wanted these jobs there was this one. Great moment that we came across in the history of Agnew as vice president where he tried to assert control over federal contracts on the eastern seaboard General Services Administration contracts. He essentially decided that he was going to be as vice president the guy who decided to those contracts went to and there was a sort of bewilderment about that in the Nixon White House, why does Agnew to do this..
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"Let's just give some background before serving as vice president he'd been elected. The Baltimore County executive in nineteen sixty two then governor of Maryland and sixty six what did Agnew represent politically? When he was campaigning for vice president when he became vice president, what did he represent on the right because he was kind of part of the culture war in the late sixties before the term culture war was coined. Yeah. I think that's right. I think one of the interesting things that we found was that he really was this sort of firebrand figure on the right in a way that Nixon really wasn't. He sort of was able to rile up the conservative base across the country. He spoke in very controversial language at times about issues of of race. And you know, law and order, I think one of the sort of interesting things, that's you know, sort of not known about Agnew as a political figures is how much in a lot of ways he was much more beloved among the Republican base much more. So than Nixon was what sort of manifest itself during the scandal is that Nixon really sort of needs Agnew on his side because he knows in a way that Agnew was much more popular with the Republican base in the country than even he is. So I think as Rachel's alluding through this sort of the political history of Spiro Agnew as a political. Is sort of forgotten. But he did a lot to sort of raise these issues in the Republican base about antagonizing the media, and these sort of these racial issues that have more sort of bubbly and on the right in the sixties. And it's it's sort of a forgotten part of his legacy with the help of his speech writer, William Safire. He said phrases like referring to his critics calling them Pusa Lanham ass- pussy footers missile. Animus means lacking courage and resolution he called his critics nattering nabobs of negativism. And there's a great quote that you use in the podcast. He said if you tell me that they hippies in the garden to be able to do the job. I'll tell you this. They can't run a bus. They can't serve governmental office. They can't run a lay than factory all they can do as a lay down in the park and sleep or kick policemen with razor blades. Very very provocative. I would say he's provocative, but that attack on liberals the attack in other instances on minorities, the attack on the elites the attack specifically on the media, which he really turned into an art form is something that was key not only to his controversial nature at the time. But it's absolutely what Nixon needed in terms of lining up and keeping on his side. The very hard line Republican base at the time. And I think that was part of what was interesting in terms of parallels to today. I think a lot of people lament on the right? The anti media stuff that is stoked by the Trump administration, the anti elite stuff some of the divisive and and racially specific stuff that we're seeing from this administration. But it's it's not new it's really it's a well trodden path and Agnew was great at it. You think Agnew kinda creates a new playbook for the kind of language you can use in campaign for high office. I mean, he was really quite eloquent actually in his provocative and controversial remarks. I mean, Mike one of the things I think you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like when we were going through his most controversial statements one of the things that was sort of mind-bending for us. At least for me was to be both seeing all the parallels to sort of Trump ist republicanism today, and to be seeing somebody who had this, you know, twenty million dollar vocabulary and all the alliteration and all the eloquence, and he always spoke in complete sentences..
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"I'm Terry gross with fresh air today. Rachel Maddow and Mike yards. Talk about bagman their podcast about how Nixon's first vice president Spiro Agnew was forced out of office by a federal investigation into allegations of bribery, and extortion will Agnew as under federal investigation. Nixon was to for Watergate Maduro says this posed a terrifying prospect unprecedented in US history. Theoretically, what that could have resulted in his Nixon leaving office or being forced from office because of the criminal scandal that was Watergate him being succeeded immediately by vice president who is under a completely separate criminal investigation. Who? Then also forced from office. I mean, the prospect of the chaos at the top of the federal government was just unparalleled. We'll talk about the investigation. How Adnew tried to shut it down and parallels to the current investigations into President Trump? My guests. Rachel motto and Mike yard yards have collaborated on a podcast called bag, man. That tells the forgotten story of how a sitting vice president Spiro add new came under investigation by federal prosecutors. And before he was forced to resign did everything to try to stay in office, including attacking the press and trying to shut down the investigation. There are several parallels relating to current investigations into President Trump Agnew as Richard Nixon's. First vice president, and you is being investigated for bribery and extortion in nineteen seventy three at the same time. Nixon was a target of the Watergate investigation which later led to Nixon's resignation. Rachel motto is the host of MSNBC's the racial Matt show, she hosts and co wrote bagman Mike, your Vitz is a former senior producer of her show and produced and co wrote bagman as part of his research. He listened to the Nixon White House tapes. And to an audio diary made by Nixon's White House chief of staff, h r Haldeman your average discovered. Some surprising previously unreported twists in the story, including one way that Agnew tried to get the US attorney overseeing the investigation to stop it, the lead prosecutor Barney Skolnick never knew this part of the story until you are. It's played him the Haldeman tape as you hear on the podcast Skolnik was stunned. Well, we I mean, we knew we had some sense as the whole country did have what kind of administration Nixon with Haldeman and all Erlich men, and so on were running, but we had no we had no knowledge that this was happening. Rachel motto. Mike yard fits welcome to fresh air. And congratulations on your podcast, which has now gotten over ten million downloads. When thinking about questions surrounding President Trump like did, he obstruct Justice? Did he commit impeachable? Offenses might we face a constitutional crisis. People tend to look at Richard Nixon and Watergate, but you've looked at his vice president Spiro Agnew. What made you think about investigating avenue for me? I feel like there are a lot of presidential scandals in US history. But there are very few presidential scandals that results in resignation and or impeachment, and I was really interested in Agnew just because he's one of that very small number of presidential or vice presidential scandals that rose to that level. But also because I realized that when I tried to sort of thumbnail in my mind, what happened in the resignation everything I thought about it was wrong, all of my impressions about it turned out to be wrong. When I looked them up and for me that that piqued my curiosity. I was almost embarrassed listening to your podcasts because I knew so little like I hadn't spent that much time thinking about why Agnew left office. And I was just shocked by. Everything I learned your that's not an uncommon thing. And that what I think Mike, and I found that same dynamic at work, even as we had started working on the podcast. I mean, I assumed that his big sin was tax evasion. I had assumed that it was a Watergate adjacent scandal. You know that the F B I was looking into Watergate related crimes and they stumbled upon something in Spiro Agnew taxes. I had assumed that acne was kind of no big deal as vice president because he's kind of no big deal in history. All of those things were completely wrong. The history of it is just is not what we remember. If we remember that history at all. And so it's it's nice to find something in history. That's brand new. Mike before we get to what Agnew was guilty of before we get to his bribery and extortion scheme..
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"And if you're just joining us, my guests are Rachel Maddow, and Mike ER vets he produced they co wrote and Rachel hosts the podcasts bag man, which is a limited series about the bribery and extortion scandal involving Nixon's first first vice president Spiro Agnew, and how Agnew is subsequently forced out of office. So once prosecutors understood Agnew's involvement in this bribery, and extortion scandal, we had a president under criminal investigation. Richard Nixon Watergate and now vice president under a completely separate criminal investigation. What what was the unique set of problems that this presented for prosecutors? Prosecutors at the time I think were already well, prosecutors writ large. I think the Justice department. The attorney general Elliot Richardson at the time was already faced with the enormity of the prospect that the Watergate investigation would lead to the end of the Nixon presidency. Whether he was somehow prosecuted, whether he resigned, whether the pressures of the Watergate investigation or somehow going to end his presidency one way or another that was already such an almost politically apocalyptic scenario that they were facing they were blindsided when they were confronted by the evidence that Agnew was also existentialist challenged as a senior figure in the federal government because of his own totally unrelated scandal and the prospect that you would. Lose Nixon somehow that Nixon would have to leave the presidency, but then Agnew would ascend to the presidency because he was the vice president even though the Justice department was well aware that he was under serious criminal investigation. He was potentially facing a forty count criminal indictment that I think was a terrifying and totally unique prospect in US history. I mean, theoretically, what that could have resulted in his Nixon leaving office or being forced from office because of the criminal scandal that was that was Watergate him being succeeded immediately by a vice president who was under a completely separate criminal investigation. Who was then also forced from office relatively quickly because of that same sort of criminal liability that his predecessor had faced at that point would president Agnew have even had a chance to nominate a new vice president who would then be confirmed by the Senate who would then succeed him. Would you end? With the democratic speaker of the house ascending to the presidency. Because all of these dominoes were falling too quickly for the line of succession to be restored. Fully. I mean, the prospect of the chaos at the top of the federal government was just unparalleled and the fear of that kind of chaos. Drove the prosecutors approach to dealing with Agni. Would you would you explain how well the prosecutors themselves? The pro these young prosecutors in Baltimore who actually put together all the evidence that nailed Agnew that really had this Bill. They built a slam dunk case against him. They wanted Agnew to go to jail they wanted Agnew to be treated like a public official on the take somebody had been caught for public corruption and had to pay for it. It was Elliot Richardson, the attorney general who decided that the priority could not be individual Justice for Spiro Agnew, the criminal the priority could not be Agnew. Being put in jail. It was Richardson who decided that the priority for the country had to be Agnew out of the line of succession that the most important. And in fact, the unitary goal of this prosecution of this of this entire revelation. These prosecutors had come to about Agnew the unitary goal of it had to be his removal from office. He had to no longer be vice president because that was more important to the country than whether or not he faced individual Justice. The prosecutors were very mad about it at the time. But Richardson believed it was the right thing to do. So what was Richardson's approach to removing Agnew from office? Well Richardson and his prosecutors engaged in a lengthy series of negotiations with Agnew's own legal team about what they were gonna do with this evidence of criminal behavior on the part of the vice president. And this to me is where you get into some of the most important and. Fuzzy implications of the end of Agnew as vice president of the United States because the Agnew legal team was maintaining publicly that Agnew as vice president was immune from prosecution that he couldn't be indicted, the office of legal counsel, the Justice department at the time was asked to weigh on way in on this matter, and they produced a sort of strange memo, which said, well, the president can't be indicted, but the vice president can sort of odd duck that that memo, but on the basis of that opinion, the attorney general on these prosecutors went tag news legal team and said, hey, we can indict you and we intend to and what do you have to trade for that? And those negotiations went on for a long time, and they were complex and important. But ultimately the deal that was reached was that Agnew would only have to plead. No contest to one count. He wouldn't do any jail time. But he would have to resign immediately. And what was the counter that he pled to? He pled to tax evasion. But he he didn't plead guilty. He pled he pled, no contest. So this is why when people think about Agnew leaving office. They just think of like oh tax rod. I think yeah, he got caught fiddling something with his deductions. No. It was such a bigger story. Yeah. Yeah. And in a way that that is a credit to Spiro Agnew defense attorneys who were able to secure in exchange for his immediate resignation from office. This this plea to a single count of tax evasion in a single year. And so you know, when you look back at the history of Spiro Agnew just doing sort of cursory search of it. That's what find is that, you know, vice president Spiro Agnew resigned on account of tax evasion. But it was it was a very drawn out process between avenues defense, lawyers and attorney general Elliot Richardson, really negotiating this this agreement that would result in one one count of tax evasion. So one of the questions surrounding President Trump. Now a question that surrounded president Nixon and vice president Agnew is Canada, sitting president be indicted on criminal charges or Agnes cases, sitting vice president does the Agnew story that you've told so well in bag man have any lessons for us today that can help answer that question. I think that there are puzzles on both sides of this if Agnew's defense team, and if Agnew himself didn't believe that a vice president could be indicted, which is what they maintained in argued publicly at the time. Well, then why did they talk to prosecutors at all? They were maintaining a public argument that prosecutors essentially had no power over sitting president or vice president they couldn't touch him. Well, if so why did they even talk to those? Prosecutors let alone enter into a plea negotiation with them that resulted in the vice president's resignation on the other side. Prosecutors were claiming that they could indict a sitting vice president, and they were fully willing to well if so if they were confident in that, then why did they go through this choreography? Why did they take such pains to ensure that by the time Agnew pled to that tax evasion count by the time he was in that courtroom? He had resigned. I I mean, he resigned moments before he stepped into that courthouse, and they made sure that was the sequence of events had he resigned as vice president moments after he pled or after he was indicted. We would have an entirely separate legal precedent on this case that a president or vice president could be indicted in this case they sign. Sidestepped that issue by allowing him to resign. I that's fast. I I'm still puzzled as to whether or not they were bluffing that they weren't totally sure. They could indict him or what would have happened had that Justice department of Indian that said he could be indicted actually been tested in court. They sidestepped the test by letting him resign. I. My guests are Rachel Maddow, and Mike Yar vets who collaborated on the podcast bag man, which tells the story of the federal investigation into allegations that Spiro Agnew receive payments from bribery, and extortion, Rachel Maddow, host the series. We'll talk more after a break. This is fresh air. WNYC is supported by Walt Disney pictures, presenting Mary Poppins returns. Now, playing WNYC is a media partner of pop up magazine alive magazine created for a live audience, featuring multimedia stories by arcade. Fire's will Butler and more February seventh at bam. Howard Gilman opera. House info at pop up magazine dot com. This is ninety three point nine FM WNYC. And you're listening to fresh air. Stay tuned for the latest news from NPR WNYC on all things considered at four o'clock. This is fresh air. Let's get back to my interview with Rachel Maddow, host of MSNBC's. The Rachel Maddow show and Mike yard, a former senior producer of the show. They collaborated on the podcast bag man, which meadow hosts it's about the federal investigation into bribery and extortion allegations against Spiro Agnew which forced him to resign as Nixon's vice president, so let's just get a sense of what cast our government was in an act Tober of nineteen Seventy-three Agnew resigns. And then ten days later, what happened ten days later is the Saturday night massacre. I mean, it's it's amazing. It's not even two weeks later that Nixon orders, the attorney general to fire the special prosecutor who is pursuing the Watergate case that attorney general, of course, as Elliot Richardson man who just secured the resignation of Nixon's vice president Richardson objected to that order from the president. He resigned in protest deputy attorney general then resigned in protest. Ultimately went down down the line of succession at the Justice department until the solicitor general Robert Bork was willing to fire. The Watergate prosecutor that'll happen within two weeks of of of Agnew surprise being forced from office in this dramatic showdown in a courtroom in Maryland. And I actually think the the the closeness of those two events in the timeline is part of the reason that the Agnew story is so poorly. Understood I mean Watergate was that a full roiling boil by the time Agnew was going through this entirely separate drama and the history of Elliot Richardson is very much inflicted by the heroic way in which he resisted Nixon's order and resigned on that Saturday night massacre. In the middle of that Saturday night massacre drama, but that was so close in time to what he had done with Agnew that I sort of feel like we've got limited bandwidth as Americans in terms of our history books. We can only remember the so so many events from one particular time in history so Agnew ended up slinging into the shadows. On that one. So Elliot Richardson, the then attorney general ah so important in bringing down vice president Agnew, and in the Watergate investigation now, I haven't acting attorney general who actively supports President Trump and President Trump is under investigation, and we have a nominee to be the attorney general who opposes the Muller investigation. So we're in a very different situation right now. Yeah. It's it's it's interesting to see the I guess the the strength of the Justice department through various lenses of history. I mean, the Justice department has rules it has its own traditions. It has its own pride in its own independence and competence. It's also an institution that is run by human beings who have different strengths and weaknesses and alliances that they bring with them to their jobs and part of the story of Agnew is the heroism of George bell. This Republican US attorney age of thirty five who supervised this investigation and resisted all this pressure. That was being put on him by the most powerful people in the country in his family, and in his own party part of the story of Agnew is the statesmanship of Elliot Richardson, and the way that he approached this in the way that he prioritize the needs of the country over the individual concerns of his own prosecutors and the individual sort of imperatives of this criminal case that he was dealing with involving Agnew. And you have to wonder if if people of that caliber were not in those powerful positions at that important time would we have had a different outcome for the country. Would we have would we have had president Agnew? Rachel you re tweeted. Presidential historian, Michael Beschloss tweet you did this on Tuesday of this week, and it's very relevant to the conversation that we're having Beschloss tweeted Nixon on Watergate in state of the union forty five years ago this month. Quote, I believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end one year of Watergate is enough. Exclamation point. That sounds familiar. Yeah. It is amazing how much the history rhymes here. I mean, we don't do anything exactly twice. But the parallels with what was going on in the Nixon and Agnew administration. Forty five years ago to the efforts by the Trump administration right now to Perry this investigation, and these swirling scandals around this presidency..
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"Were they got him the young man cops say was armed and held hostages at a Los Angeles. Trader, Joe's for a few hours cops say the man shot his grandmother at her home seven times, she's in critical condition. Than. The man took her car and another woman and drove off was chased by police until he crashed. Then ran into, the, store LAPD chief Mike Moore inside the store a young woman, was shot and killed at the officers rescued that. Woman from inside and attempted to render aid with the assistance of Ellie fire unfortunately we were unable to revive her alleged gunman has a wound on his arm from police gunfire no, word on motive yet one of two survivors hospitalized in good condition from the duck boat. That flipped over in a storm, Thursday in Branson Missouri Tia Coleman says. They, were told, where the life jackets were but. The captain also said they. Wouldn't need them the FBI has released more than four hundred pages of documents. Tied to the government's secret surveillance of Trump associate. Carter page Chuck's Iverson ABC news News choice here and I'm with my friend that good Greek Spiro of course of good Greek moving and storage you. Used. To be a. Police officer so security. Is a big deal to you absolutely yes I have utilized all of my knowledge from being a police officer. In the way of hiring processes and betting employee's making, sure that. The people we serve it to your home are safe. And clean and reliable and.