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376 Achieve Radical Wholeness With Embodiment Expert Philip Shepherd

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38:41 min | 2 years ago

376 Achieve Radical Wholeness With Embodiment Expert Philip Shepherd

"Mindfulness mode three hundred seventy six you can be who, you know, yourself to be or you can be present. I don't think you can have it both ways ever. Reach new heights of calm, focus and happiness right here in today's mindfulness mode with me your host and mindfulness life. Coach, Bruce Lankford, I love your feedback mindful tribe. Thanks for emailing me. You can message me anytime at Bruce at mindfulness mode dot com. Let me know how you like today's show. And of course, I always appreciate an I tunes review and share on social media. Thanks for all you do to help support the show. I have a question for you. Do you work in corporate or do, you know anyone who does maybe someone who's on a team of employees? Here's how you can reduce stress and increase happiness productivity and profitability in the workplace. It's all yours for free. You can download this resource. Ten simple and affective ways to increase mindfulness in the workplace. Now once your employees are happier. Productivity will increase download the free resource at mindfulness mode dot com slash work place p for productivity today. You'll learn about embodiment from my fascinating guest who will help you. Listen to the world through your body. You'll find out that his personal path to understanding has been shaped by his adventures as a teenager when he did a lot of cycling alone through the Middle East and India in Europe. Now, he teaches about sensitivity and intuition, and how to dissolve your energy blocks. Sit back relax and enjoy today's chat with Philip shepherd. Hey mindful tribe. I'm here with Philip shepherd today, and he's a fascinating, man. He's done. So many interesting things in his life. And he's truly a man who will talk with us with expertise. About the subject of mindfulness. So so Phillip are you in mindfulness mode today? I would have to say buying large. I am. Absolutely. Because it just feels so horrible not to be. It does doesn't it? For me. You become increasingly sensitized Evatt and a little alarm bells. Ring why am I doing this to myself? Cool. Comes Phillip, I wanna share a bit about you with our listeners. This is what I've got Philip shepherd is recognized as an international authority on embodiment. His unique techniques have been developed to transform our experience of self and world and are based on the vision articulated in his celebrated books, which you may be familiar with new self new world that was twenty ten and radical wholeness from twenty seventeen the approach Philip takes heels. The frantic restless pace of the intelligence in the head which tends to run an overdrive by uniting it with the deep present and calm intelligence of the body. This way of thinking is of course, in contrast to the prevailing view of impa embodiment, which involves sitting in the head and listening to the body. So. Instead Philip helps us listen to the world through the body. And he's done. So many interesting things we'll be touching on some of those in the interview. But Philip what does mindfulness mean to you? In order to speak to that. I guess I have to speak to this cultural assumption that mind and body are separate. So we even speak about like a mind body division, and to me that's just a fantasy because there is no such thing as a mindless body. Unless you're in the more. Body hums with intelligence hums with mindfulness. It's part of a the co Karen hall of what I understand as my mind. My mind is the totality of my awareness and so- mindfulness to me is inseparable from embodiment and embodiment for me at its root is just bringing the the whole of your consciousness, the whole of your intelligence into coherence. So. I love that intelligence in the brain that that excels at obstruction, and and division and perspective. But it's just one part of what I experienced as my mind. You did a lot of traveling in your life. And I know that you. You spent time writing were you riding a bike when you were in your younger years through Europe. Am I right about that? Well, here's the funny thing when I was a teenager growing up in Toronto, I felt the cultural mores the cultural tracks down which my thinking was being told run. Diminishing and oppressive and constraining I knew either I was going to leave my culture or feel my aliveness succumb. So I did the first I laughed. I went to England and bought a bicycle I was eighteen and headed off for Japan with the reasoning capacity of eighteen year old that suggested that if I got on the bicycle and with headed in the right direction and didn't stop pedalling. I would eventually rive in Japan. In fact, I did I went so I what. Yeah, you're right. It went through Europe in the Middle East, India, Japan and was gone for two years. Tell us about that learning experience. On a bike traveling on a bike. You are wide open to the world around you. And so I passed through so many different cultures. And I had I don't know somehow had an ability to to. Feel the culture and and. Shake myself too. And so every culture at passed through was luminous. Every culture, I pass through was limited any culture to me represents a story about what it means to be human. So our culture instructs us over and over again that well to be human is to live in the head and take charge of your life and get ahead, and and advanced headquarters and and. It's all about the head of the very car with which we have such a deep and familiar and long biting association, it's basically designed as a head on wheels. So if there were three headlights it see the road better. But then you'd lose the metaphor of the head. It's got to be two headlights, and the, you know, the we look through the windshield at the world outside of us the way we sit on our heads. And and look out at this separate world around us. So that that cultural story of what it means to be human as what I. You know without articulating it in that way was getting away from and I've actually arrived in Japan where. I studied I studied. Classical Japanese theater this. It's called no theater. It's it's a six hundred year old tradition. It comes from the time of Chaucer. And the center of the Japanese culture is Hotta HARA is the Japanese word for belly. What you can't translate it as belly. Because in our culture, what's belly bellies, this kind of troublesome area that's prone to indigestion and weight gain, and and a source of Barras -ment unless you work, really hard. And then it becomes a source of vanity. In Japan Hotta is the place where you return to connect with your profoundest truth. It's where you come home to yourself, and I watched no theater, and I'd I'd never seen. I'd never seen a head turn and look from that place. I'd never seen an arm in lifted from that awareness of the world. And so that situated me really well on returning to my culture to begin to ask the questions that I wasn't capable of formulating having grown up inside at the most difficult thing in the world is to question what you've taken in your body as an assumption before you're old enough to formulate a question. Did you see yourself as an actor before you went on that adventure? I did. I was I somebody asked me a while back. What was the first play you are in? And I think are that are remembered right in great six I wrote a play and directed at an accident. So it runs deep and ended was about love of feeder, a I had to get Mike culture. But be you know, I been in. Gone through high school and was accepted at university to study physics. And there was that that mystery of quantum mechanics that just tug dot me. But I'd seen a no play in Montreal. But actually heard it was coming traveled to Montreal to see it when I was seventeen and the mystery of no feeder. Was a profounder more resonant mystery than that of quantum mechanics? So I actually went to Japan to study feeder. And and was about that time I acted in Toronto and studied with theater come in the air and a gun to England done smocking in England. I kinda runs in my blood not in my family, but in my, but right, right? Well, it sounds like it was an amazing experience. Did you ever follow up and study physics? Then did you did you continue on with that? No. The university of Toronto decided they didn't want me. I literally like I come back, and I'd written letters of deferment. I'd written letters of deferment. They said, oh, yes. Just, you know, enjoy your travels and come back, and so I kind of didn't bother with the third level of deferment. And then they looked into my great thirteen marks. And I knew in grade thirteen all they looked at where your first term marks and your scholastic aptitude test. So there were many many more interesting things to do in great their team than sitting class. Absolutely. I think I spend as much time at U of T as I did, you know, sitting in lectures, as I did at high school, and my marks reflected that so in a way, it was in retrospect of blessing, and I only say that because when you go into an institution and you're trained. There's a tendency to absorb there. Dictums for what correct questions are, and what incorrect questions are for how to proceed with the line of questioning to how to prepare thesis. I didn't have any of that. So I just I just went full bore out at in my own way gobbling up. I mean, I, you know on my own time. I read physics and pre Socratic philosophy the classics, and I'm just had this unmanaged feed that has followed nothing, but my own curiosity. Well, it's interesting because my son is sixteen and he's passionate about acting. But he's also passionate about physics. The radical physics. That's his love, and he can't wait to go to university and study physics. He's completely one hundred percent thrill that he's going to have an opportunity to do that. But is very strong in in acting and in music as well. And so they're doing a production at school next year. And he's one of the directors. There are three people three students that are going to be doing this student directed productions. So it reminds me of him when you talk about this. Yeah. Einstein once said he was he felt more pride in his violin playing than in this physics. And my hope is that your son can keep both of them alive. Yeah. Yeah. Us in such different ways. Yes, they do. Well, let's talk about Philip on stage. You've been you've played leading roles in so many productions tell me about one that stands out in your mind, where there's some parallel with mindfulness that makes some kind of sense to discuss on our show. I did an adaptation of Marlow doctor Faustus Marles Faust, just as very different from goodest Faustus because in good has Faustus this virtuous man is the subject of a bet between the devil and the angel as to whether he can be crafted in Marlow, spouse tips, ousted, this were patience, brilliant, man, who has come to the very limits of human knowledge, and he's absorbed it all and he wants more any wants more power and stumbles on block magic, and he summons up Mephistopheles the servant of the devil. And he says I want you to serve in historically says it'll cost two years or soul and Faustus. What side it's just a fantasy. Give me give me this power and meth in Marlow version Mephistopheles actually pleads. With Faust, not to do it. And basically says piss off I want it. So it's a it's a very different take a very modern production and was just me and one other actor on that stage and as an actor. Unless you're listening to every moment through the whole of your body. You you step out of the flow. You step out of what I call zone. Yes. So there is this full on sensitized awareness that is akin to a surfer riding away and all those currents of life, Royal up, and you in the stillness of that of that reciprocity and awareness, your coys and dancing along. And that's really how it feels. And boy to step out of mindfulness is to move into mechanics is to move into a talk down supervision of what you doing and that's not life. And what what the audience has come to that theater? Four is in hopes of experiencing a new life. What was the first role you played in New York City? I in New York, I was working with a an amazing company. Curiously was influenced by Japanese theater, by know theatre. And it's called time and space LTd, and there was a role in which I was a confederate soldier. In the wake of Gettysburg and. The lead actor in that company. Claudia Bruce was extraordinarily. And and anyway, it's just such a. Deeply deeply memorable. But again, it's like it's like what what I remember is in my body's awareness, or in my mind, is is the energy the texture the the coursing flow of it. And the music was music with it was so beautiful. Have you ever acted on stage in Stratford, Ontario? No, I never have. No, I never have one of the oversights of my career. Yeah. And if you had the opportunity what role do you think you would enjoy playing there? That's a good question. I've I've always always fell to. On affinity with Lear. I think the essence of tragedy is is you take someone who knows who they are. And then the world around them changes in such way that that becomes untenable. They can no longer hold onto who they know themselves to be and and and tragedy is when these these two opposing forces come into contact and have an effect on each other. And I think it reflects, you know, in life itself, you sort of got a choice, you you can know. Who you're you can be who, you know, yourself to be or you can be present. I don't think you can have it both ways of so if you're holding on to your identity to your known self your ability to be present will be compromised, if you yield who, you know, yourself to be you can land here. And it's like a present illuminates. We are. It's so much easier to have who you are illuminated by your Felker relationships than to be insisting on and defending a preconceived notion of who you are. Philip. Let's talk about your burning desire for freedom is that been a theme throughout throughout your life. I invented award Bruce. My word is illusory maniac. And it means a mania for freedom, and it has been an it's. It includes. A really insistent questioning as to what what true freedom is. And in in my work. You know, for some reason, I've been highly sensitive all my life to how I am reacting to the world around me in a way that inhibits my freedom. And so I've I've undone an undocking and loosened the fetters that I've placed on my own responsiveness. And freedom, you know, in our culture. We misunderstand what freedom is I think in a profound way. We want to be safe in if you're alive, you're not safe. I mean, you're just not right. So so, but the in mythology the tyrant strives to make himself safe to establish his security, and and we follow that by accumulating possessions, and managing our lives and mapping out our career path and managing relationships. And that's you know, there's so much talk down imposition of idea an organization that has as its purpose to protect us, but ends up confining us. It becomes a sort of prison. So the tyrant seeks freedom and security and in mythology the hero seeks security in freed. Them when you give yourself over freely to the wave of being just as just as an actor does on state, and you ride it with that sensitivity that keeps you poised at rest on the present in that freedom you come back to a security of being. So you find you find a security of being through that surrender in a way to what is I want to talk to you about the documentary that is being done about your work. Are you able to influence how that is coming across tell us about that? Yeah. It's very it's very collaborative. I sort of in my mind without without wishing to sound too overblown about it, I sort of like, an tune inconvenient truth, except in this case, the inconvenient truth is that all the imbalances and destruction and conflict in our men made world around us are reflections of imbalances and conflict and destructiveness within ourselves and even more specifically in our relationship to our bodies. So I think I think your relationship to your body is the template for every other relationship you have and if your relationship to the bodies of top down relationship where you tend to control the body, and and treat it like a a resource to be exploited and try to just fix it. When it goes wrong rather than. Dan, rather than joining it's intelligence than luring harmonize with it. Then how you react to the world around. You will be from a position of top down control. And even you know with all the with all the ailments that afflict us. That that top down control is what we insist on applying to our problems in order to fix them. And it's the very Medalla eighty that has created the problems in the first place. So every problem we face as a species every major problem we face comes back to. Knowledge that we think knowledge will save us, and we gain knowledge and we implemented and we've discovered pesticides and how to burn fossil fuels, and how to make plastics and how to how to go get into agribusiness and the chemicals fertilizers, and and our knowledge has become lethal because it's not counterbalance by self-knowledge. And to me, that's where mindfulness comes in. Because again, we we've misunderstood. I think what self-knowledge is you know, you ask someone who they are. And they'll give you the grocery list of well, these are my values, and this is my lineage, and this is my favorite color and on and on. But that's an objectification and self knowledge. Cannot the objectify to to me self knowledge is born within us as we come into Felker relationship with the world around us. So. As I as I come into felt relationship with a tree in the stillness of my being that tree will illuminate who. I am in the moment by come into felt relationship with a child splashing in a pool who I am is illuminated in that moment. The more deeply I come into felt relationship with the rule world around me, the more deeply come into self-knowledge. And it's a very very different thing from being ino- relationship with the world, you know, knowing that's a track knowing that's a kid in the pool and not having to feel a thing. I'm curious what aspect of Philip shepherd is most difficult to convey in that documentary. My my work has been deeply deeply blessed by the ways of other cultures. I, you know, I have a limited capacity to question my own culture. And I've been I've been so deeply helped by the Japanese culture, the unglue epic culture, the pita Hong culture in their ways of understanding what it means to be human because I think what we are facing like the actual crisis that we're facing is is we need to let go of our story of what it means to be human and and come into evolve into a new way of being. So the most difficult thing to convey is what that new way of being looks like and feels like an how much better it feels because the way of being we have we've. Thought this boundary around the self where you know, we're told to to be independent, and we grow into our independence, and we feel our independence. And there's no such thing in all the cosmos as independence, you can't find an example of it anywhere. It's just a fantasy everything depends on everything everything leans on an inter inter penetrates every it there is just this flow of process. The scientists are bent and determined on finding the the smallest unit of of existence. Well, the smallest unit of existence isn't the the quark or the new on. It's the cosmos itself, you don't that is the unity and anything less than that is has its existence dependent on unity. So so the boundary within which we find ourselves and protect ourselves and hold ourselves. Leaves us feeling non-porous to the world around us. We actually don't want to feel poor. So there's a the the onl- Evie culture anthropologists have described their sense of person hood. And and they they it's been said they have a radical indeterminate indeterminately of the self a radical indeterminately of I mean, that's a nightmare to us our values. I of course, I need to know why how could I yield to a radical instruments, but you can yield to the present. And the fluxes of the present without yielding to to the changes it stirs up within. I'm there's another anthropologist. Who talks about the porosity of personal within the ongo culture. And that again is a nightmare to us. But you're very reality is sustained by the flow of the world Fuyu. Whether it's whether it's your breath taking the accelerations of forests or the food moving through you becoming you. Or the energy of the person you're with passing through your own be fell the most difficult aspect in a way is preparing the field in a gentle encouraging way to say, you know, there's another way of being and it feels better. And it doesn't mean giving up anything of importance it. It's just a matter of softening into who you truly are and coming into harmony with the president around you. We come into the Harmon into harmony with the world will continue to push it into imbalances. Phillip I wanna ask you a questionable bullying, and that's because I've worked in the field of bullying prevention for over a decade. Now, always like to ask a question. If you have a story that involves bullying, we're mindfulness would have made a difference to a story you can share with us. Yeah. One game one that happened. Very recently. I I facilitate teachers strings so that people who are learning to teach my work a woman just destroyed me back. There was a there's a woman in her neighborhood. Who is something of a of a bully. And we actually talked about it during the course. And she said what can I what what can I do about it? And I made some suggestions. Well, she she got back and sure enough. You know, she went out walking her dog. And there's this woman, and there's no getting away on the woman comes out or and she just gras more and more deeply into her wholeness into her mindfulness into that grounded receptive chorus. Responsive place, and she said the woman talked out her for about two minutes and then left looking slightly confused. And normally it would have been like twenty minutes of and I I really took heart from that. She didn't she didn't do anything but land in that mindful coherence of her. Awareness at this moment. I love I love where that went. And how it went? What a great story Philip. That's great Philip as we move toward the end of the interview, I want to ask you five quick answer questions. So just thirty second answers. I perfect. The first one is this who is one person who was influenced your mindfulness practice Marion Woodman who died yesterday extrordinary woman. There's a there's a movie brilliant movie made of our called dancing in the flames. She is. I don't know anyone more embody than she is. And she is a healer. And and so deeply mindful of everything around and the whole of her life. How has mindfulness affected your emotions? We think of our emotions as personal private things. We we feel our experience as private and everything you experience is shared. It's just the nature of our reality. And so to come into that grounded place of wholeness is to feel not not that contained charge of the emotion. But that dilation where it's don't that the emotion goes away, but it becomes integrated able to be integrated. Tell us. How breathing is part of your mindfulness? In thirty seconds. My my because I teach a breathing is a huge part of what I teach and and my contention is that the whole of the body should be available to the breath. And if it's not you're not in homeless, and we keep the breath out of our legs. We keep it out of our backs we constrain it. So we we talk from here, and we lose our wholeness by constraining our breasts. It's it's the foundation. If you could recommend book related to mindfulness. What would that be? I'm tempted to recommend mind is that not allowed? That's allow. I mean, like my most recent one, which I actually, you know, have a copy of of its. It's my life's work laid out. In a simple and practical away as I can do it. Radical wholeness radical wholeness listeners get your hands on that radical wholeness by Philip Sheppard. A wonderful look at your concepts. Your ideas, your thoughts so do that. And can you share an app which helps in any way with your mindfulness? I'm currently developing enough called body world. As one word and reason, the weakness called body world is because we were trained to think of our experience as like a body mind experience, and I can't I can't make sense of that in any moment. Mike experience is a body worlds experience, and it's a unity, and who I am is illuminated by the whole world around me. So that's where the the body world comes from. It won't be available though for about nine months. Okay. It's on the way. Well, we'll be looking for that. And I'll put it in our show notes when it is available. Oh, wonderful. I'd love to. I'd love to share it with you. Thank you, Bruce. That would be great. Yeah. So listeners you can you can look up more about Philip on the show notes at mindfulness mode dot com and just type his name Philip shepherd with one L in the Philip part Philip shepherd with one L and type that into the the show notes page, and you will come up with his show notes. So how can we reach out? How can we reach you and connect with you? Oh, the easiest way on my website, which is Philip shepherd dot com and shepherd. I should just point out his spell the way the guy looking after sheep is spells S H E P H E R D. And there's all kinds of stuff there boost there, some there are free videos that can be downloaded. There's the embodiment manifesto of that. I wrote some time back an interview with the sun magazine that a lot of readers. Have told me as is such an easy access into my work and gives a sort of overview of it. So Philip shepherd dot com would be the way to go. Well, Philip I'm honored that you've been on my show. I appreciate it so much and listeners get yourself over to Philip shepherd dot com and enjoy learning more about what Philip has offer. So thanks so much Philip for being on the show. It's been such a joy, Bruce. Thank you. Thanks bye. Now. Thanks so much for joining us today on mindfulness mode for show notes for every episode checkout mindfulness mode dot com and type the guest's name or the episode number into the search bar. You can also go mindfulness mode dot com slash whatever episode number. You like if you've been -joyed this podcast, you could help us out by subscribing to mindfulness mode. Wherever you listen, whether it's on I tunes or Stitcher Google play Spotify, so many places you can hear mindfulness mode. So hit subscribe inch share because that truly helps our show. 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The Exchange

The Leviathan Chronicles

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The Exchange

"The. Leviathan chronicles. Seasoning three. The story thus far. Century in the black door group have reached the BUFFA Station, deepen the Congo jungle in Africa censure Rebecca. Von Wit Robertson. Jason. Styling have discovered a massive sinkhole in the rainforest that contains a mysterious stone. Temple Sterling has told Roberts that the aliens are inside and their plan will find leap again. Back, Leviathan mcallen has used a stone fragment to revive evangeline from the coma. She ended after suffering at the hands of the traitor. And Harlequin has brought his ward lives that to Leviathan, as well as a young computer prodigy named Ken in an effort to stem destructive virus that is threatening to destroy the city clerk ham has managed to slow the spread of the virus, thus buying Leviathan more time to eliminate the threat or evacuate the city and in Tokyo Japan ANA flight three to four from New York. City has just touched down in narrator airport with passengers, Jeffrey Tally, Toshitaka downtown board tally has come back to Japan to return Toshi to his father, Kazunori Tanaka head of the Yakuza tally hopes by returning to knock his son, he will gain freedom for his best friend Oberland Sin. Cra. And now chapter forty-three, the exchange. Ongo. Team you. Toshi Anton. Entirely entered a taxicab at Tokyo's Narita International Airport and directed the driver to take them to the Intercontinental. Hotel. In the posh Ark Hills District Anton had visited the her talent past and specifically requested the Tatami Corner Suite. One of the grandest rooms in the hotel to affect shoot the hand off to exchange Oberlin class for Toshi Tanaka in the taxicab tally removed a. Given him and made a very important phone call. When he finished, he handed the phone back to, Anton, you really think this is GonNa work. If you follow my instructions, probably emphases any problem. You know if we mess this up, I a realize what's at stake. Mr Tally, you just make sure you control your end of the bargain. Once, they had checked into the lavish hotel. Tally on waited anxiously for the important visitor that held their faith in his hands. Alone, figure exited the elevator on the thirty fourth floor of the hotel and slowly walked down the long corridor that terminated at the expensive double French doors at the Tatami. Sweet. The man knocked on the door which on opened promptly. My name officiate. I hit. See Mr. Empower. Obama. Fish. Gora. Yes. Mr Antonovich and want to come in Mr Mr Frederick. Please have Freddie. Entered the opulent sweet and couldn't help it stare wide eyed at the show stopping views of the Tokyo skyline and lavish appointments of the room. His hands fidgeted fretful as he sat down in a lush cream colored silk CIA beside a polished walnut table by the window. You say Intercontinental, hotel want to see me the. ICON to Tokyo right away I pay fast. When you call, we appreciate your prominence Mr Frederick, call me fatty. All My fans call me shake petty. Yes. MR, Frederick. We cooled you to Tokyo to discuss our latest order Beluga. Caviar that we placed with your organization recently, it seems there has been some deception on your part. Mr Frederick seems that not all the caviar you've supplied as with his uniform and it's quality. I don't know what you talk about Mr anti-us meet. Might be say good really Mr. Frederick. Then perhaps you could explain to me why fifty percent of the Beluga Caviar we ordered from. You turn bright green within the first two weeks cold-storage all. I mean caveat, very special like a cracker Jack. All were fishing turn green. Me Very lucky me who have good luck with lady. MR, Frederick. Role. With. My fishy. Maybe. Hotel store caveat. Enough Oh. Maybe leader frog get inside team McClellan. How Frederick feel. It's only fair to warn you that we have received some reports that would appear to cast some doubt as to the caliber of your character without me say fattening. Physic-. Fatty. Why don't you take a wild guess filthy son of a bitch. Powerful hands come down hard on his shoulders, shoving him deeper into the CIA. Sit down. You Squid Shit. It's time for a little payback. All all. Off Eddie. So happy to see you. So. Guy You. Okay. So coups chop off the head and body to one fish. How are you my friend? How his fist shop forward? Marching fish egg, Freddy's nose tally, the sides of Freddie's cheeks squeezed you little tiny nothing. You sold me and overland out. You sold us out for one Goddamn payday. You know that we would have helped. We always helped you out jam. We were going to get back on our feet and have you join our team on the Hail Mary and you you fucking turned on us. TATY TATY PEACE PEACE COUPS, Freddie. No Choice. They kill Ferdie Mama saw tell all my customers to buy for me. They take everything taty. Pretty handle choice nowhere to go. Peace Taty he's I saw very sorry I. Heard you an I, love Oberlin prophetic nobody. I got nowhere nobody onto for help. What about me Freddie I got nowhere to turn my shit goes bad. My boat blows up my wife Susan me I don't have anybody. Backing ME UP North Tari. You've got Oberland Oberland. Always stick by. Taty. Nobody Peace Holly these forgive thirty. I saw I. Know What my girlfriend tally stepped away from Freddie to take full measure of him. He was slumped over with shame even more. So than fear he knew Freddie would say whatever it took to stay alive. But he's still felt genuine regret emanating from the man tell, Zong, left him ready to exact a painful revenge upon Freddie, but for Oberlin sake he knew cool. Cool ahead had to prevail. Alright. You listen to me you little piece of C- Slime. It's time for you to make it up to me, make it up to Oberlin time for you to deliver. If I let you go and my friend and I decided not to paint the walls of this hotel room with your face. Then you're gonNA run some errands for Anton meet. GonNa Kill Buddy helping is going to kill you right now, if you don't do every single thing I say, and if you leave this hotel and say anything to Tanaka or the accuser or the police, I'm going to talk to the Intercontinental Hotel Real, and I'm going to tell them all about the scam you're running and your special fishing sauce, and then I'm GonNa talk to the cops and tell them about the smuggling you've been doing on the side to get all that caviar into the country. I'M GONNA. Make sure you go broke and that you get put in. In jail, and then then I'm going to call. Tanaka San Myself and tell them. You were the one that helped me escape with Oberlin and look at me. I will escape with Oberland so that he puts the word out in jail that you're a two timing, little weasel and a big enemy of the accuser that will make sure that the life sentence to get in jail as a barrel of laughs. You get me Freddie. Are you sure you understand how important the next few hours off the rest of your life because I'm not fucking around, but he understand. I will help you taty. I helped my friend Freddy No background, just get scared and. Best Spot I help you. I, told you pretty good friend again, good because I'm about to give you a big shopping list and you had damn well better deliver. The elevator on the thirty fourth floor of the Intercontinental Hotel opened. Once more this time a slim Asian and adopt tailored suit exited the elevator flanked by three large sporting tattoos visible over the next line of their Oxford shirts. They exited the elevator and walk down the long hallway to the Tatami sweet. After knocking twice Kazunori Tanaka entered the hotel suite with his bodyguards to see tally standing against the window. Good afternoon, we start tidy good afternoon Mr Tanaka Sir. Dismissal Rotan Fish Tanaka stead at the large platter of half eaten Sushi some scattered shells of mommy and a half dozen bottles of Karen Light Oh. Yeah. I'm sorry about that. We got in late last night and I was totally starving I figured hey, when I'm in Japan I gotTa have me some Sushi right. So that's what I ordered. I. Got One of those Oh me. Oh, my cossack plates. I. Guess. The housekeeping didn't come yet. It's still good the next day though tally popped a warm half piece of Tara into his mouth that had been sitting by the sunlight of the room how disgusting? No, actually it was right that great. But all right. Where is my son we study? Why don't you tell me where Oberlin is for you to see your friend Obering? When son is safely in my custody in I can see he's unharmed. You have already begun to try my patience. We study your son is close by in fact, he's in the hotel, but I wanna see Oberlin now gave me my son I. Know See that's not what's going to. To happen, this is your town. These are your gangsters and you have the advantage here. The only insurance I have is that I know what room number Toshiba's in and I'm not giving that up until me and Oberlin are safe. If you were in my shoes, you do the same thing I. Know You would. So maybe you can give me a little more of a hint. Where is Oberlin. going. To of the Yakuza gangsters, the tend to the hotel suite with Tanaka San Exited and returned a few minutes later with Oberlin, they each were holding him by the arm and shoved him towards Tony. Reentered the sweet telling overload overload. Holy Shit Man. Are you? Okay? The to be honest? I never thought I was going to see you again how the Hell did you find me? Don't worry about any of that? Are you? Okay. Those guys hurt you at all. Well, I. Wasn't getting any soft back rubs if that's what you mean, but no, no. Okay. I just want to get out of here. Me Too. I. Gave You my assurances. He would be unharmed in I have now presented you your friend. The time has come for you to on our agreement will use my son Mr Tarry. Where's Toshi telly switched on the television set in the room that was connected to an apple macbook pro with hdmi cable television showed another hotel room with similar furnishings as the sweet they were in. However, the room was much smaller and was dominated by a king sized bed upon which sat a little boy playing video games. It was. Toshi. Like I said, Toshiba's is in one of the rooms hotel. Are you playing a game Mr Tarry? Room is my son in well I am going to tell you what room your son is in, but not until Oberlin an IRA safely on a plane getting the hell out of Japan. I, don't think. So Mr Tally, I do think. So Tanaka. Look I've shown you the video and you can see that Toshi is okay. Twenty four hours ago. Your son was in New York City being held by mutated lunatic and being used as a bargaining chip against you. Now, I've got him back home to you I. Did that. Now it's your turn to let me in my friend go and never ever see us again. That was our deal. You Start Tony. I'm growing tired of your inability to grasp the situation you are in. This is into game. You're right. This isn't a game. This is my friends life, and we had a deal Tanaka. Our deal is subject to some. Renegotiation. What do you mean renegotiation? You Got Toshi back. That was the deal. I got him back from that Maniac Jason Sterling and I almost got myself killed doing it, but I got your son back. Now, we're even talk all debts are settled. Right? Your son is okay. I'll call you with the room number when I'm on a plane out of here, you may have brought to my son back. You did not adhere to the exact Tom's of agreement. Our deal was for you to bring Toshiba to me within. Within seventy two hours, fucking. Badge I. Look at my watch. I see over eighty five hours have passed since we had lost meeting in Okinawa covered teams. You have had of their hard time meeting your abbreviations in any contract. You enter Mr Tally. Seriously, you're GonNa Welsh because I'm a couple of hours late bringing your only son back to you from the other side of the world. You are also a man who has stored from me and should be punished for making me a fool in front of my community. But you have provided me with the body about savvy. and. I am not an ungrateful man. So I will allow one of you to be free and the other. I will kill quickly in massively between you and your friend ordering. Who Lives and who dies is entirely too you. The minute decide Jesus. Tanaka tally looked at Oberlin appeared shocked. Okay. Okay. Okay. Just a second. Can You? Can? You give me a moment? It can give you forty five seconds. All right. All right. I choose me. You can kill me and that overland go holy I'm not going to let shut up Oberland. Totally. It's meet. Tanaka, I'm the one you want to kill all along, but one condition I want to be able to talk. Talk to Oakland alone, I want to use my last forty five seconds or however long, you'll give me to just say a couple of things to my friend before you kill me I've earned that. I fucking earn that I treated your son kindly, and I deserve to say goodbye to my friend. He's the only family I. Got I would make your fear will brief one Mr Tarry in give me the room number of Toshi. Or high may decide to seem pretty cute. Both of you commute Oberlin tally glared at beforehand, he and Oberlin quickly entered the bedroom on the left. Tali a not going to let you do. Offer, the love of Saint Patrick, it smells to High Holy Shit in here. Openly shot up and take tally handed Oberlin a modified Leviathan dark gun as Anton stepped out of the closet silently and loaded his Amblin meet Anton, Anton, meet Oberlin Oh the pleasure is all mine you know I thought focused Anton you take left I'll. Take Right Oberlin. You hit the guy in the middle nobody misses got. Ten seconds later the bedroom door iot. Each man five, once hitting their targets directly Tanaka, jump back a shop and was suddenly crash Sean on the floor and Tarot. When each his bodyguard slumped lifeless to the ground. When he realized he hadn't been struck Tanaka make friends eat dash to the hotel suite. Your for time on had already closed the distance. Graph tonight chest from behind in the. Bachelor. Smashing into the elegant coffee table sending glass everywhere, tally pants, and sat on top of Tanakh test. Downtown now holding each could. Not going anywhere divulge to. Put Him. Telly, grabbed Nakas knows roughly and pinched his shot. Fix You Kuzbass thrashed back-and-forth gas desperately. Oberlin all give me that trae in the bedroom, the metal one hurry dashed to the bedroom and to town around his hand. And returned with rancid metal tray covered in blood and slime three, dead gutted fish lay on the plate. I wanted to spare no expense view Tanaka not after you've been so. Hospitable. So I, prepared a little Japanese delicacy for you. It's a tricky little dish. It's called Fuyu or otherwise known as pufferfish can tell using Orlands Tau grabbed a handful of the sized fish crash and shoved it into Tanaka Nakasone. I did a little home cooking for you a little saw she. Cut It. All Up. Myself. How's that taste and I? Guess. It's getting a little tinguely on your mouth Tanaka, screaming terrorist tally held both his nose and mouth shut forcing him swallow the slices of raw fish. Once tally was assured. The had pass through his throat. He released his mouth to bring you know you got to study for. Three years to learn how to cut Fubu just to make sure you don't get any of the poisons. Fish it's all in the liver. You know one little nick and the whole fish contaminated poison everywhere enough to kill thirty men. You you either die for these. I will die I will die. Well, the funny thing about food goo that I don't think you need three years. In fact, I watched a youtube video on the plane ride over here and I already feel like an expert. But that being said I don't think I'm going to be the one that dies I grabbed in up a handful of raw bloody fish slices and the thrust them and. Holding. His your shot house tasting. Now, Tanaka Little Tangy. I put a little seasoning on that last bit. I only had a Swiss army knife to work with when I was doing the cutting. So my people we re to with Japan. I wouldn't say that see you got a choice now Tanaka, you can trust in my Sushi making ability that maybe the Foo I served you is clean. Maybe I didn't nickel liver, the ovaries of a fish, maybe the fish you eight is fine or maybe you're nervous system is about to seize up pretty soon, moving your arms or legs or even breathing is going to get mighty difficult. I could call you an ambulance and make it get you to a hospital. But for that to happen, YOU'RE GONNA call your goons in the hotel lobby now, to tell them to let us pass through that we delivered Toshi and wick clean. Rather. Okay. Overland Henry, some more puffer pieces. Those ones near belly looked pretty appetite. Soap, but who are you sure 'cause? I could add a little Sabi or soy sauce just to be a four, hundred, it quick Retali- continued to sit onto his chest while Anton held down his arms oberlin dialed the number tobacco instructed and held the phone to the gangsters. They're. Choosing Got To talk show. You know they told me. You would do this. They said you would double cross me. Even when I lived up to my word, you left me no choice Tanaka. I can't feel my legs Ellicott off his chest and Oberlin. Anton. Rose up as well. They stood down at the man who now trembled slightly on the floor. That's the poison starting to work on your nervous system. You See I knew if I tried to leave here with Oberlin, you'd be on the phone getting an army of your Yakuza goons. Take me out tonight. You're going to be frozen for a little while Tanaka paralyzed. Paralyzed. The poison blocks your nerve cells. So you can't move no more phone calls. View Jebrane stays active. So you could hear everything I. Say while you can't move a muscle SUV me, but don't let me die. That's a lot to ask from someone you've been threatening and torturing for the past two hour chilly eighty-five. All right. Excuse me eighty-five. But you know what? I'm a better man than you I'm GonNa leave this. This hotel. Now with my best friend, your son Toshi is in room fourteen, fifty, six, I'm going to call his room and tell him that you're. He's maybe you'll get here in time before your lungs stop working and you suffocate NOCCO is now compressing himself into the fetal position. He was trying to move his arms but was having trouble doing so in a coordinated fashion, but before I do that I, feel like our. Our deal needs a little renegotiation to knock his is widening horror. My friend Anton here has some questions for you. Important questions, I. Suggest you answer him quickly and as honestly as you can to knock, you've been supplying Jason. Sterling. His black DOOR GROUP WITH AN UNCUT SUE technology developed by utilizing materials stolen from Leviathan. We know he is collaborating with to extraterrestrials. What did he want an uncut through to build for him? He wanted. Repute. Submarine to hide ten she, we know about that. What else? What else did you build for? Jason. Stunning. What's the largest thing you've built? The suny wants to the less permanent. The damage to your nervous system will be there was a station on coordination crucible. into. North nunavut devil. Under PRES. Thank you to knock a son with finished. It tallied urban of the Kazunori. Tanaka and legs twitched violently as his body involved Tanaka I know you can still see you. So I want you to look at me. This is me. My end of the. Tally removed his cell phone and quickly dialed number hato. She this is your friend tally. Come up to speed on the thirty fourth fast fasten. Can you data's you're waiting for you? Yeah everything's okay now, nothing to worry about. No. I promise you. He's going to be really happy to see you. Brilliant triumphant sky blazed across the cavern ceiling of Leviathan, flooding sunlight into the large floor to ceiling windows of the highest level of the tower. To, red headed women sat inches from each other clutching hands and crying softly enjoy evangeline. Her ladyship is conscious. Quickly, I want twenty milliliters of prototype clean and neuro- stimulator also get the BIOS got a prime. So. I'm right here. Can you tell me what you can remember? Dead Anton killed him after he attacked us both, it was him. It was Ben, knew that implanted the virus within Leviathan Not Harlequin evangeline upon hearing the name Harlequin this he? Did then you? Can, no. No, no. No. You didn't kill him. In fact, he's very close by hello. Harlequin approached evangeline hospital bed, and knelt on one needs to be a time ever with her. He brought her children mouth. Kissed it gently. Apparently all the queen's horses, men couldn't keep me away from I'm sorry father. Sorry for all the since I've committed. AM, sorry for doubting you. It's all in the past. Now, my actions have been less than admirable towards you over the centuries. I've been guilty as you for not clearly seeing what's in front of me. Stay with me Harlequin. The, forever, my love. Forever. Painfully, evangeline turn to head to the left to face McCowan. and. Carolina. mcallen's is shifted to shoot a glance at Dr Lincoln. Harlequin. mcallen. They escaped evangeline. We couldn't stop them before they jump through the keyhole. We we don't where they are Banjo. Lean. Took in a shop stab of braff squeezing mckellen's hand a how long since they escaped, it's been a few days. Now, we haven't been who else. Who Else has seen the aliens in the virus? Not many a few key members of the honor guard rushed into the catacomb chamber after the alarm had been sounded. But I'm not sure if they witnessed the aliens members of the leviathan council have been briefed as well as a few key personnel. We're doing our best to keep a lid on what you. On the sensitive nature of their presence Callan. To me. You have to find them quickly. Won't be much time of Angeline right now, most of Leviathans resources are being used to keep the city from collapsing the virus. Benue implanted is causing more and more destruction each hour. I, brought down one of the most innovative computer experts I've ever witnessed. He's working with the engineers to buy more time. He's done some extraordinary work, but it's looking like a matter of days not weeks eve. Some have even called for an evacuation of the city, but I think I can use the star stone. I found to reboot the city's AI and really. Serious irrelevant. It's far more important that we find the aliens fest. Whole concerns about the violin. City. Secondary. Deploy. All Dog, what agents to find. ELGAR TORONTO. Would eventually the city? Leviathan Could be destroyed everything. You don't find the aliens. It will all be destroyed any way. Along with much much more for the first time, evangeline opened her eyes slightly wider and allowed herself to look further into her room Harlequin mcallen. She could see Dr Link, Keith, the Watson and Robertson, looking on concerned as well as several medical technicians pairing in through the doorway, and the various engine is the to brought up the stone fragment from Zephyr evangeline weekly lifted. Her hand made a small gesture with her fingers indicating that she wanted something to write on one of the technicians swiftly brought her a pen and a small scrap of paper. She wrote four letters H. A. N. on the slip of paper before folding it and handing it to mcallen. McCallum read the word ties south silently. On Pain of interest has to do with. To donate, she wanted to ask evangeline about the meaning of the note. But when she looked down, she could see the ladyship had already fallen fast asleep. I'm sorry. But her ladyship needs rest I have to ask everyone to clear the room immediately. I promise notify you if there's any change in her condition mcallen, you should come with me. I want you to meet my Wardley set as well as get briefed on the status of the crisis facing, Harlequin? I? Didn't know that you has. It's a long story. Story I one that you really should listen to sometime. But right now we need to get to the engineering hub that working round the clock in the room trying to keep precious showed up and maintain the power grid within Leviathan fine. Make sure they bring the Star Stone fragment to the engineers so that they can use it to bolster our power reserves. Harlequin mcallen descended to the base of the Tower and drove yielding enclosed park bike to the engineering of that was located near the West Hangar Bay, the by allowed them to traverse the city quickly, and also kept mcallen plain view of the populace that would otherwise quickly swamped bombarded with questions about to Benjamin's condition. You think the city is going to pull out of this, never underestimate the ability of a situation to get worse all pouch further. We hear. Is flights down the under city level. Come on. McCallum walked into the engineering hub and down several flights of whitestone steps. She soon found herself in an enclosed room over two stories high with computer monitors covering almost every inch of wall space she. Found underachieve astronaut answer asleep at her desk with her nautilus rimmed glasses pushed high on her forehead. She gently rubbed the shoulder of the exhausted engineer. They're dreaming about electric sheep. Callan. Humaid. It back. You didn't was Zephyr Zephyr performed perfectly. You did an amazing job prepping our gear for the mission we succeeded because of your work. Thank you, council women. But the real reason we're still here right now is because of those to be under chief pointed to a pair of young adults sitting very close together in front of six large computer monitors the to appointing various flashes the to luminated on a citywide map, it appeared on one of the monitors in front of them. Other computer technicians swiftly approach the young land sitting in the left chair to confer with him or show him live information feeds on their data passing the young woman next to him, touched his arm. Arm. And brought his attention back to the Monitor Front Elijah I certainly hope I'm not interrupting romantic play, day Harlequin, the young girl stood up from his seat beside the young boy and approached Harlequin sternly, she looked like she might take a swing at the immortal, but stopped when she. So mcallen standing next to him the set, this is MS mcavan. Also the so-called. Messiah of the immortal race and damn good backgammon player from what I've heard mcallen. This impetuous Spitfire is my pride and joy. Her name is legit and she's one of the greatest thieves in the world. It's a pleasure to meet you I. Hope you can steal us some more time here in the thin also. Harlequin I ask you hours good to give me the Thomas Matic's for clerk. He's been working nonstop and you can't expect to, and of course, this is Mr Clarkson are computing project that we seduced away from the revelry of Defcon in Las Vegas Clarkin, rose tiredly to shape mcallen's these don't get up I mean it please stay at your desk because I hear your. Your the one that's keeping this place from imploding. Well, I wouldn't say that all of the engineers here have been working nonstop. How'd you been making out? We've been trying to set up a dummy I to literally lure the virus into deploying its resources away from the primary life support in pressure shield like I said, it's buying us some time but I don't know. Know for how long I'm hoping, you can offer us a better plan I. Hope so too. The engineering team is bringing over a star stone fragment that I discovered in New York that I hope we can integrate into Leviathans, power grid to sustain us it might not be that easy. Show me what you've been doing so far shore will have in front of the The main screen, and I'll bring up the firewalls anti-viruses that I create. But as soon as mcallen sat down and began to stare at the computer monitor clerk Hems, voice began to fade grow distant. She had a vague sense of weightlessness and can feel her body floating above the skyline of Leviathan, you only sensation that registered with his harlequins hand firmly gripping shoulders. McCowan, had fallen asleep in her chair Callan. You need to get some rest. Go back to your apartment contact. You shortly wants to get the star stone connected to the. Look like you could use some sleep. McCallum boarded the push potter, The Sky Tube, station Dixon Terminal to take to a unit at the Hukou Complex on the high Kabul. The skype network was running at less than a third. It's normal speed, but McCallum, wanted to see the view and take the bias in its entirety at least while still how can evangeline just let all of this, these buildings, all these people, where will they all into whom we just get lost on the surface high melancholy? Melancholy corrupted by the sudden stop, the at her residential complex, she exited walked a unit that gave her more stunning views of able park, tweedle boulevard, and the repair scaffolding that now surrounded the Great Cathedral. She could also see genesis zone which had been shut down and many cave hawksley dormant near the excavation entrance drink. McCallum went to hide cabinets, import herself as smooth glass of mcallister's Vinicius, and inhale the fragrant scent of Peres, honey and gentle smoke. That's good. So good, and then she remembered that the last time she had enjoyed aggressive finishes with Anton God, I hope he's okay. Hand totally should have already landed in Tokyo by of the racing bison hopefully, totally as incontinent both killed yet asshole McCallum was about to reach the Venezia's to pour herself a second glass when another strong sent invaded her nose. Sting mcallen then realized, she couldn't remember the last time. She had taken a proper shower i. don't think almost drowning in the Gulf of Alaska counts for much hygiene. I, need to shower a good. Show. McCallum walked into her bathroom and disrobed placing evangelise note her airings unhappy com on the salmon colored marble counter. Beside the shell shape sink. She opened the smoked glass door to her shower wave to hand over the motion sensor to activate the heavy slow four to directly from his ceiling and quickly pressed the red temperature butts repeatedly to raise the temperature of the water close to spalding McCowan stood inside a felt the heated water. Water beat down onto eighteen soldiers as she filled with water released and slowly turned allowing every inch of herself to become heated Mormon. The sound of running water calmed to mind and granted her the comfort to think one of the star stone doesn't work. Maybe the genesis zone. Now we need to go deeper, I should talk to engineering dense no scraps that I'll just talk to ask we have to evacuate. Where would we? Angeline have some sort of based on a service she must. McCowan. Stepped out of the shower and grabbed thick white cotton towel drying her hair and body vigorously, she reached for a cold glass of water to refresh us how often the steam shower and now. What loss on the floor she looked in the mirror, the notes of angeline left her. God angeline. You're right. We have to find the aliens. You have been listening to season three of the Leviathan Chronopoulos to listen to all of the season three. Right now and get the exclusive epilogue episode purchase. 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Fugu: Savor and the Blowfish

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47:02 min | 3 months ago

Fugu: Savor and the Blowfish

"Hello and welcome sabre production of Iheartradio I'm Anne and I'm Laurin, Vogel bomb and today. We're talking about puffer fish. Oh. I am so excited to talk about this. Yeah I find itself Fascinating When I was in. In Japan, I would see these ads for Google or this pufferfish all over and. I never had it to my knowledge. I assume that I would know I had it because it's very expensive which we'll talk about it later. but I just find it so so interesting that humans are like what this might kill me. Yes. I will pay top dollar for that experience. It's sometimes called the food version of Russian Roulette, and I just find it endlessly fascinating. And this is actually a part of the plot of my favorite book I've ever written. That there's this drug and there are strains of it. That there is a huge probability of insanity or death if you take it because the high is so good, and then there's sort of this. Devil may care a living on the edge pride that comes with serving it okay, and there are descriptions of the different highs like. kind of like. Like sweet on the palate risk of death, eighty six percent. And yes, Lauren! This is what that thing in our camping based on. No, that's that was my. From a second ago. Of Have you. Did you. Did you get one of the other characters that are campaign hooked on this drug. Let's just say she is very lucky that the role went wait. Oh, my head! Geez this was I for those of you following along. At home with our, Dean Adventures this this was a matter of much contention for a number of a episodes of play. Oh. Okay. Yep! Cool You have that to worry about that. storyline is not done great. That's that's fabulous. I am suddenly. You really glad that my character is so like? Righteous about so many things. Yes, yes, to helped you out in this situation. That is for sure. But Yeah Yeah I. Just find this whole idea. Eh, fascinating and apparently. A, honesty's shafts that prepare food fish believed that a lot of the people who eat a that say they're feeling the tingling of the lips that they're making it up. Or that it's just in their head, maybe and I. I wasn't really able to confirm this. We were talking about this before we started recording. But I read a couple of interviews with chefs where they said it's rude to comment on it on these effects or joke about the danger of it's often, he knows or has experienced with. Please right. Yeah, my hypothesis was that that's just chefs saying it out of like you know. After the team's time a day. A chef sees someone like pretend to fall over dead after eating their dish. They're like okay. Yeah that's quite enough of that I'm. A supervisor Andrew was saying that he has a friend who who did report feeling like tipsy after eating it and then realized that she had not had anything to drink. It was just the fish, though yeah, who knows? Lingo Psychosomatic Sir Fun. Can Be. Also apparently a goon tried to kill James Bond with puffer fish in from Russia with love which I. Don't doubt that at all. I haven't known it. But I believe it I don't remember to out. It's been it's been a few years, but a yeah. Yes, and on kind of the other side of the entertainment spectrum. We did touch on I'm homer eight through fish in our simpsons episodes. Yeah, yeah, he. He turned out just fine as well. Yeah, he did. He came in James Bond. Have that in common? I bet they have more in common than we've been chlorine. I'm sure they do. But all of this brings us to our question. Yes, Fubu. What is it? Well Fubu is a Japanese word for a whole bunch of different genus and species of pufferfish that people eat, and that famously often contain a really potent toxin in their organs. That can kill you dead. and yeah pufferfish is super generic term. It turns out without a lot of linguistic confusion because it can refer to fish in two separate families in the order tetreault. Dont`a forms and Can Be called aside from pufferfish balloon, fish, blowfish bubble, fish, globe, fish, swell, fish, C., squabble, toadfish, blow, toads, and porcupine fish just to name a few. Also I am so glad that my career has brought me to a place. Where just got to say? Blow toads into a microphone? It was excellent if I had had something like water in my mouth I think I might have done spit take. Codes Yep. Porcupine fish though I will say that that last one there. Tends to refer to specific buddies. that have larger external spines than other species. Anyway yeah, so these these guys are smallish tropical fish that looked like pokemon. big is big heads weird like torpedo tapered bodies. There is a pokemon that's called quilt fish in the in the American version That's that's a blowfish anyway. Yeah, they don't swim very fast but they have a lot of defense mechanisms They tend to have these pokey spines on their skin. They can rapidly fill up their very elastic stomach with water or air to puff up to about three times their original size like it takes fifteen seconds. And they tend to carry just a whole bunch of this horrifying toxin in their bodies marine species mostly in their liver and ovary and freshwater species mostly in the skin, but it can accumulate in smaller proportions basically throughout. This. Wonderful I I? Haven't seen Spongebob Lauren. Is Amiss puff. The, puffer fish. And It's one of my favorite like. Defense mechanisms. Because she goes when she strengthen, she just moved. I love it. I think that is a wonderful. Nature You so interesting nature good show right right it just I mean these these little guys. They just go from from bloop bloop bloop liberal all I'm being I'm real. Look at my size and be intimidated. Although a side note here, sharks apparently, which are one of the predators of pufferfish aren't particularly bothered by this toxin that they produce so i. mean they will be bothered by the fact that they have spines on their skin, and that especially when they when they puff up, those spine sticks straight out and can choke you You're a shark but I'm just I'm looking at these pufferfish going like for whom did you make this toxin pufferfish? You suspect foul play. You suspect a conspiracy. I think I. might we need to get bannon matinal on the line about this? Why haven't they talked about it already? These puffer Fisher out there. Just lying in wait. For us. We willingly eat them. They really don't have to try that I. Guess Not I, guess not. The truth. must get the true. Okay, so here's here's where it gets crazy. The toxin at hand. is called to Trudeau toxin and it's this neuro toxin that's found in a bunch of marine life. A few land dwellers as well researchers think that it's produced as a defense mechanism in some plants and animals, and and even as an offensive weapon in some animals that use it in hunting prey, because it paralyzes in humans specifically it. It basically inhibit cells like neurons and muscles from activating and in severe cases this can lead to paralysis and death from heart or respiratory failure, and I'm summing this up like Whoa It has to do with sodium channels and this level of. Is completely beyond me. Oh I know. Not well versed at electrophysiology. Today and Human Monster. Anyway this is some wild stuff to toxin is one of the most powerful. neuro-toxins known to humankind some twelve thousand times more toxic than cyanide. It can kill you in seventeen minutes flat. There's no known antidote. Wow. ooh! I'll though basically furred for humans. Anyway you know if you if you get someone on artificial life support then it until the toxin clears out of their system. They're usually going to be okay. Thank. And because of the pathways through which it works That prowess is being a one of the side effects. It's being investigated for all kinds of interesting medicinal properties like pain relief in severe illness like advanced cancer, care and reductions and physical cravings and anxiety in heroin. Addiction Interesting? And this is what really gets me. No one really knows why. Some pufferfish contain so much of it. Science thinks that mostly they get it through their diet that like bacteria and phytoplankton and larger creatures like worms create it, and then it accumulates in pufferfish when they eat, those critters or critters that of eaten them in turn like I like mollusks. Or maybe that larger creatures like pufferfish have bacteria in their microbiome like in their guts that create it for them. This is like breaking science research is still ongoing. See I think you're onto something Oregon. I think it's a big conspiracy. And puffer fish have got their big globally is. Set on us. Medicine Little beaks You're just like. Scoop. In the water. And a big king buffer fishes like these fools. We just have they'll eat US willingly. Speaking of we are food show. Let's talk about some dishes. now I have never had pufferfish either so I cannot tell you from personal experience. What it tastes like but I've read that in texture. It's sort of it's sort of. delicately chewing meaty like a cross between chicken and mackerel. Maybe you're SORTA like frogs legs. End that the flavor is delicate to in a little bit sweep. Would you, would you try it? L., yes sure. Do So! I don't want to win. I Call People Fools for getting I. Am one of them. One of these people so. Yeah conspiracy has worked. We bought in s totally. To the. Cheonan. We were talking about this before and I was saying I feel like I'd be nervous about it for an entire day and I knew I wouldn't need to be like if I was fine. Fine within within a half half an hour to like six hours, tops Yeah, but I think it would take a whole day. It's like when I watched that movie. That's supposed to kill you in twenty four hours at. Days share for I felt okay, so I think I just need extra buffer time. That's okay. Yeah! I'm still wary of televisions, and the ring is a really old movie. At this point believe it was through thousand one. Yeah, it's still. A little anxious about it to. Really glad that everything has moved to flat screen. Less afraid of those I'm like she clearly can't come out a flat screen. No, no and not cellphones, only landlines and VHS, although she did go viral in the newest movie just. I I'm aware that's not in my head, Canon. Canon stops it I one I got it. That's cool. We're talking about pufferfish. Our. Okay. So, different species are prized for different uses apparently tour, Fu, or the tiger. PUFFERFISH is super high end. If you ever see that on a menu, it's going to be expensive, but people recommend it. and pufferfish can be served in all kinds of ways on off the bone in raw slices and cooked in soups, as cutlets deep fried in savory porridge in hot pots, et CETERA. Oh some of the ways that served really call out the whole deadly thing. like a one of those mild. At anti mentioned of Fu poisoning quote, unquote is a numb numbness or tingling on the tongue or lips, and some dishes play with that by serving pufferfish along with spices that have a similar effect. All? Who? also in Japan when it served as the she me. It's traditionally cut super thin and arranged on the plate in the shape of a chrysanthemum blossom, which in addition to being role pretty. Is a symbol of death Japan. Yup. You gotTa Love It. They lean into it. Right. the the the fatty and textured skin, the skin which is kind of fatty and textured, can also be served as a cider like kind of a moves. Bush sometimes Chewy, sometimes roasted or fried like salmon skin I'm. The fins are also served Chris Up, and there's even a cocktail featuring roasted pufferfish tail in hot. hit his. And this. This crispy tail is like lightly steeped before serving Some creators give it like a quick Flam Bay when it hits the table. boulder sock as are apparently used to to stand up to the savory flavors of the tail and I've read. That's like an alcoholic soup. Right I read to it. Yeah, yes, and of course it's not only eaten. In Japan, it's also popular in Korea where it can be served as again yelich the protein in soup, or in bebop Orville Gogi of. Whatever. Species of pufferfish also live in the Mediterranean. Though I haven't read about it. Being particularly prized there. It's more of a thing that people eat if they catch it and that's what they've got today. although on the mid Atlantic coast it It is kind of popular. It's Fried Sauteed, grilled suceeed just as as we would do around the Carolinas ish with any other fish. Okay well what about the nutrition? yeah, I'm fish is pretty good for you. you know lots of protein? pufferfish isn't super fatty. It's got lots of vitamins and minerals. As with any protein, I guess it depends on how you prepare it. Yes Right specifically, so in this case. We do have some numbers for you. Yes, there are a hundreds of known species of Pufferfish, and as of two thousand nineteen twenty two are approved for restaurant use in Japan. Grew is a very popular dish and Japan over three thousand eight hundred restaurants are certified to serve it. The Japanese reportedly eat an annual ten thousand tons of fish. And to meet demand Osaka has eight thousand goose, chefs and The training for this quite difficult and the test is very long so it's not something you sort of get into on a whim. One third of chefs who take this exam to prepare Fu fail it, and it's expensive. A single plate can run you up to two hundred dollars I. Think most things I saw said between eight dollars and two hundred dollars sort of where you're like. Yeah, yeah, even just a even just a tiny sample of of Sushi can can be like forty bucks or more than ninety five percent. of of Japan's foo is farmed and the Wild Cot. Ones are like four to five times more expensive than the farmed ones. And about fifty people a year suffer from food poisoning and around thirty incident. Some fatal in Japan the numbers do get a little messy and depending on where you find them they can. They can vary, but something that. This accounts for half of food poisoning deaths in that country There are a few cases a year in Taiwan as well. It's banned across the European Union and the United Kingdom and very very strictly regulated. Ought to only a handful of specialized restaurants in the United, states but many of the deaths result from people catching their own and attempting to prepare it. Themselves not recommended. No no, no, no. So the history of this of eating food is fascinating. It is and we will get into that as soon as we get back from a quick break for from our sponsor. And, we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes, thank you. So fubu fish go way way back. Finger bones found in what we're essentially ancient trash dumps date back to two thousand eight hundred years ago in Japan. which stories believe suggest people may have been eating this fish as early as that. In, the ancient Chinese texts Shanghai Beijing are classic of Mountains and seas possibly written in some version all the way back to fourth century see. Included a mention of the deadly nature of eating Fuyu centuries later, though sometime from one thousand to one thousand one hundred ce poet Susha wrote several poems, praising the Fukushima show. figure appeared in Japan first published history and seven hundred twenty c e early chefs did figure out traditional methods of cleansing that liver for consumption. And I couldn't track down a date range for when this. But at some point after leprosy entered Japan around the eighth century, C E. Who became a folk treatment for the symptoms because it could relieve pain. Oh. Well on the other end Japan outlawed the eating of fear Gill. In the sixteenth century, after there was a spate of deaths due to the toxin, according to some sources I found specifically, after several soldiers were impacted before the invasion of Korea was scheduled to take place. It was allegedly the only food at the emperor was not allowed to eat for fear of death, and even touching. That was prohibited to yeah. No Legend Goes Samurai that suffered from food. Poisoning were required to kill off their entire family. yeah. I will say that that most Legends About Samurai are very legendary. Yes, I actually feel a lot of the especially older. History for this one is very very allegedly. And that makes sense to me that there's this thing that can kill you and. Of course there'd be no yeah. Yeah! But that is a good note, but in here I do think. A lot of this is overtime been perhaps lost. Or treated or yeah, just you know made a little bit more fun. In Dardel. Your family SORTA way right the best the most fun times. In seventeen seventy four James Cook is believed to have written about a mild case of food poisoning after his crew eight some of the fish around the same time Japanese USA Bussan wrote a Haiku about food. I cannot see her tonight. I have to give her up so I will eat food so I guess. About food group, but Fu plays a role in their. It certainly does yes. Yes, starting in eighteen, seventy, nine, the Japanese government, began collecting an annual food poisoning report including food numbers, Wow! That's a pretty long time. Right And eight hundred eighty eight consumption of Fu rose dramatically after then prime minister and Japan's very first prime minister declared his love for the taste of you and repealed the ban Now this story is also very allegedy and in some versions, because remember it was illegal at the time. And somebody in theory served the prime minister. Legal possibly. A fish. And then he loved it so much. that. He was like you know what. I right. Bring me more. This ban is over. So, there are a lot of very fun versions of that story and what went down there? and this took place in Shimonoseki City, which was the first place that lifted the ban on eating food you because of this. They have their own brand Shimonoseki Fu. And it's sort of become a distribution center. Despite not being the top producer, the prefecture it's located in Yamaguchi Prefecture is home to most of the food processing plants in the country and yeah. The prime minister granted the first official license to serve food couture restaurant in that area in eighteen, ninety five. Some stories go. It's the one he had it out. which would make sense? According to The Washington Post, there is a monument of the foo fish outside the fish market in Shimonoseki city, and every year in February some people pray outside of it for a bountiful food, catch and each year. The town gets the emperor with through. Google now. If, you're like me. You're thinking but wait. Did an I, read somewhere that the emperor can't have you. As perimeter can't even touch it. Apparently. That's it was a certain period of time. I find like a real answer for this My best guess is that. For a period, the emperor couldn't have it or touch it, but. I don't know if anyone has any clarity around. because. I was very confused. I'm like. Why are you sitting at the emperor something? He can't even touch. Also worth noting As, these bands were in place. Some shifts kept serving grew anyway, as is apparent by this whole story and health officials often report them as long as there were no incidents yes. Yes. in eighteen, eighty, four, a Japanese researcher by the name of a Doctor Tahara Yuzu me of the national. Institute of Hygenic Sciences started in on chemical study of what was causing all of this fuss about Fubu along with other research from the University of Tokyo Faculty of Medicine over the next three decades like three decades like this was a really long ongoing research project by nineteen o nine Dr Tahara had isolated this toxic substance from pufferfish ovaries, and confirmed that it is indeed the active ingredient that makes fubu poisonous and named it to try to toxin. And there you go, yes. To promote saver eating through education around handling and preparation. The Tokyo Google cooking alliance was formed in nineteen thirty. As a result, the consumption rate rose even more, and there is a very fun statue of Fu in Tokyo to commemorate this event. more more travel goals Up until nineteen sixty four everyone thought that pufferfish were the only creatures that contain to try to toxin. And then, and then it was just suddenly discovered in the species of newt living in California. Like. Not even in the ocean. Not even a era part of the conspiracy Oh. Have you ever seen a newt? I'm not sure I have. I'm not sure I want to clearly shady creatures fair, the land version there the land invasion of the puffer fish. So so so after this new, Um was discovered to have it. they? The researchers were like well back to the research drawing-board and tried to go back and figure out what else contains it, and and how how? It's developed a bio chemically. Yes. We need to know. Also. I've read a lot of numbers, but I couldn't really get. To the bottom of that showed a really huge spike in Fugu poisoning in the nineteen fifties. in Japan. So, I'm. Not, entirely sure. If that's true, it would make sense if more people were eating it, and there weren't necessarily as many regulations in place, but just put that out there. Because they were pretty high, it was a lot. a nineteen seventy seven seen from the Japanese show truck. Guys depicts one of the main characters attempting to cure his food poisoning by bearing himself up to the neck sand. I tried figure out why that would be, and apparently it's like a folk remedy. There's alleged this works. So. There's that two years earlier in Nineteen, seventy, five, a famous Kooky Star like really famous died from eating too much food grew. The Ministry of Health prohibited serving the liver in response, and from what it sounds like. He was really drunk. and so he couldn't. He ate more than he should have been served. And he couldn't feel. The effects could struck the early effects because he was. Yeah. Yeah, I think. In the nineteen eighties, the books, the serpent, and the Rainbow and path darkness the ethnic biology of the Haitian Zombie by Wade, Davis. Alleged Haitian zombies were created through doses of pufferfish toxin that took someone to the brink of death before they returned and Zombie like state, the serpent and the Rainbow was made into a movie by the same person who did the nightmare on ELM street. In nineteen ninety, China banned the domestic distribution and consumption of food goose, so some companies pivoted to farming. For Export and twenty, sixteen China allowed for all quantities of food to be eaten in their country again. Another science note in two thousand and one pufferfish became the first vertebrate than humans to have its genome be draft sequenced. researchers had been working on this since the early nineties. At least because pufferfish as it turns out, have one of the smallest known vertebrate genomes only about like an eighth to a tenth of the size of the human genome with fewer repeats, but overall similar gene content, so the hope was that in sequencing, the genome of the pufferfish we could like like comparing contrast with their own and learn more about ourselves We must look to the pufferfish absolute to the bumper bash. Our enemy, but also our other half. Researchers at Nagasaki University figured out how to purify the diets of the food, you to breed and on toxic versions in two thousand and four primarily for selling the liver. Allegedly the head scientists on this project was a bittersweet about it. Saying a food without its poison is like a Samurai without his sword. WHOA, yeah! That's the person who's leading this project saying. That's fascinating and and yeah. These projects are successful. You can totally like like detoxify a food depending on the Diet that you serve them. or you can pretty well. In many cases, it's again. It's a large number of species and people. Research is ongoing now it is entirely sure. What's behind this narrow talks in? In two thousand seven, after mislabelled pufferfish entered the United States market and made several people sick. That prompted the FDA to to finally put their foot down about fish fraud, so they teamed up with the Smithsonian to start a database a fish DNA. The plot thickens because the Smithsonian, as it turns out. Already had the largest museum preserved fish collection in the world. So they were like Hey, Smithsonian Institute Division of Fisheries and also laboratories of analytical biology I bet y'all WanNa collect some DNA samples in started database, and the Smithsonian was like totes we do. This is the movie I WANNA see. The database went live in in twenty eleven. It's a really successful project. That's that's really cool. Low Fat. Yes also in twenty eleven. There was the death of a British businessman. That was thought to possibly be a case of murder by Fu murder by food. Yes. I I read a couple articles about it, and it seems that they were. I don't know I'd give it like an eighty five percent positive. They pretty positive about it that it was. For Foul Yeah So. I mean. It's potent stuff. Oh Tokyo. Relaxed some of their strict rules around food, you and twenty thirteen. They allowed for shops and restaurants to sell foo Goo that had the poisonous body parts removed without a certified Fu chef. and also that these relaxing of regulations allowed for the sale process few that had those poisonous bids taken out. As you can imagine a lot of certified shelves for not Happy About this Oh. Sure, yeah again. It's a lot of training. They take it very seriously as One would hope. Food eating environment. Yeah. Yeah, but but no there there is as I, said ongoing research about reducing the toxicity. Of these creatures so. Yeah and you know I'm curious if Because I. DO think a part of the or at least. Some of it has to be the brush with death are ending something that could potentially. Therefore? You see yeah, right, so we think. Get rid of the toxin. I'm just curious. If you'll have people be like I don't want that. Purify want the. Ranch a little bit of a risk, not a lot of a risk. You! You know what I mean. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah that. I feel like that's the big allure in a lot of people are gonNA. They're not GonNa want that, either unless I can totally see if you want to cook it at home if you happen to. Just really like the taste or something, taste right, sure you don't WanNa have to go to a restaurant and do the whole thing. Pay Two hundred bucks in here. I Yeah, I mean I guess biologically humans. That a lot of the things I like how often on the show do I get to say that like like suckers? Humans like that defense mechanism that you wrote up to prevent things from eating you. We find away. In the words of the album. Appetite 'em finds a way, exactly So. I'm interested to see what this future research where it goes, and yes, how people what what they're going to want or choose when it comes to eating it? Interested! Oh, absolutely could give rise to so much fraud. Because you could lie, you could say it's the dangerous kind. And it's not. Oh Wow. There's a lot of stuff. Could go on here. Conspiracies abound truly. The pufferfish. just like the fish. Sees. No Well, that is about what we have to say about the pufferfish we do have some listen to your mail for you, but first we've got one more quick. Break forward our sponsor. Amer back. Thank you sponsor. Yes, thank you, we're back with. Four. On one. I really love pufferfish so. A. Ping Beauty. There yeah there, so they are so cute. They are really adorable and up to you and I I know how cheesy it is but I. I really love like pufferfish lamp. Yeah Yeah. That is that is when you know that you are in. At Bar I was GONNA. Add a qualifier, but I don't think I need to just a Tiki bar period. And I love when you accidentally like brush by the needles of those lamps and they. And you're like. This, this is not something to be with. This danger lamp. We all know about danger lamps. Through. That is true. Also. I wanted to note. I was. As Lauren pointed out during a break saying Fu Google, fish, which is how as written on a places, but it was probably unnecessary, but I'm unwilling to go back and do it and I'm unwilling to make Andrew. CUT It out so well there you go, yeah. I'm pretty sure it's redundant in. But kinda like saying like pizza, pie or something like but as I as I reassured any earlier, I I don't I. Don't think it's a big deal. Not No I'm not ready for a big deal right now I don't. Know? Totally Fair, totally okay, definitely not a big deal. You. Let's get to some delightful listener man. Yes, yes, yes, guys being a big deal. Need I absolutely love episode on the GIN and tonic. Your actions to pre-mix tend GNC's made me laugh out loud. Run here in Scotland. PRE-MIX GMT's often referred to as Jin in a ten. A bit of a phenomenon. They are people's go to drink if they're going to the beach or picnics or even just a night in I'm aware that you original episode was recorded for any of this happened, but I want to share a story which brought the beloved Jinnah Tin to our news headlines recently. In April, two, thousand, nineteen, a labor, politician, called Diane Abbott was photographed on her commute, drinking, pre mixed hito on a train in London something, which is strictly forbidden on London transport. Because she is a black woman and politician for the Labour Party. A lot of the media took this as an opportunity to unfairly right horrible articles about her judging her and every way, however, a lot of the public reacted in a compassionate. We've all been there way. Drinking on most trains isn't only gold just in London so this led to a lot of people posting photos of their pre mixed cocktails and most popularly agenda ten on their own commutes journeys with the Hashtag. Just we die on Abbas. Started the year I got on a train at about eight PM on a Saturday night after a very busy stressful week. of course I had pack snacks and agenda. And before cracking open, I checked with the conductor that it was still legal for me to drink. At that time. We'll reassuring him. I'd had a very busy week and just wanted to unwind. His response. We've all been there son if it's good enough for Diane Abbott is good enough for you need to listen to say. That was the only Gershman I needed, and it was one of the best in Jensen I've had in a long time. First of all Djinnit is excellent. At is a great phrase that I have not heard I. Don't bank and thank you. Yes, I'm looking to incorporate it more I love that like we've all been there. It's okay. We though, haven't we. Look for gene and attend. Our time I've been feeling like I. Want to try this. I think that that that brand long drink is is essentially a agenda ten so okay. Luke wrote for some fun I thought. I'd give you a little more info on farfetched, it's been around since the very first generation of Pokemon, and it's never been very good as far as pokemon go in terms of battling, but there's been some talk amongst fans for some time now that far fetched should receive some love from game. Freak to give far fetched more chance in the latest generation Jordan Shield or gen eight farfetched had something wonderful happen. It got both a regional variant, a whole other thing, basically you can think of it as a subspecies of the same animal similar to dog or cat, breeds and an evolution. Its name is Sir fetched. A gallic night. WHO's lick has turned into both a lance and shield for this book him onto fight with. This all got me to thinking about the other food based Pokemon in the series, and on further inspection I realized that there were more food based pokemon than I realized. Most, pokemon regions are based on different real world countries, and so some generations have put him on inspired by that regions food. There's Al. Creamy based on strawberries and cream who can have up to twenty six forms depending on how you spend your character to help evolve it like whipped cream, appleton, a based on an apple pie who evolves from a worm in an apple worm, being a dragon from British norse mythology, poltergeist, a teapot with a ghost, inhabiting it, these are all from the Gallard galar region. Which is based off the UK There's the vanilla cts line based on soft serve American ice cream from the Nova region. A New York farfetched comes from Canto, which is based off the Kanto region of Japan There's Gore geist based off of at jack-o-lanterns, the callous region which is based on France end boone, sweet. Hook him on based. Off of mangoes. Who hails from the Tropical Lola region based on Hawaii. There few more, but I don't want to talk your ears off too much. In the latest games, a sword and shield, there's a new cooking system in game two. You can cook Curry's up to one hundred and fifty of them acute in Hud to a British people's love for Indian food and Lola. You can buy Sada's for your pokemon. which from my understanding is a? A dish from Spain, but are also very popular in Hawaii. They are again. There are more dishes in each region, but it's a lot to list. All this is to say. It makes me so happy. Seeing these games on much inspiration from real life food culture of the places they're based on. That just adds extra layer of enrichment to the games for me. That's all fantastic. Wonderful. I WanNa know everything about all these. Are Real Hausler. This very ask me is right where we are. Is Our niche It is oh my heck. Yeah apologies if I mispronounced everything I again I haven't heard a lot of these things out loud. This. Is All amazing yes? Oh, yeah, we you definitely have to do an episode on those. and. I don't know much about Pokemon at all, but I'm so into this. sold so. For that. Episode Definitely Forthcoming Yes in the meantime. Thanks to both of them for writing. If you would like to write to us, you can, and we'd love to hear from you. Our email is hello at favor pod dot com, you can also find us on social media on twitter, facebook and Instagram we are at sabre. pod saver is production of iheartradio for more podcasts in my heart radio, you can visit the iheartradio. 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EP54 What Scares You?

Weird Wacky Wonderful Stories Podcast

51:32 min | 1 year ago

EP54 What Scares You?

"Loon welcome to another episode of the weeds, rocky wonderful stories wound cast with your hosts Sheni and Bella. What do you want to episode fifty four of the weird, why key, I'm wonderful stories podcast fifty four fifty a wire today's your birthday happy birthday. Six oh man. What dot chie say h well, it gives people like in updated, image of what you are. She like saved when they see your pitcher say, on the website or Facebook or whatever they all he's so handsome, now you're gray handsome to gray. Thank you very much. You kept the handsome in there. The handsome. But I am handsome. Yeah. And now all that took too long to pause was was, there was funny, because we have we went into by presence today for Father's Day because I know fathers day's different days. In America's net it's the same days as different. Why? But. Yeah, well, just buying file to stay stuff from my father, and you because we got some alcohol, you said to the woman to ask me for ID and she, she didn't even like entertain the idea of trying to like, you know, cheer you up? And I didn't even right. She's looked at you. Like, yeah. All right. Okay. So today, we haven't got a guest, it's just us to nobody loves us anymore. Well, actually, let's not actually say that is actually the fact that we wanted to take a break from some of the interviews because we have had listeners asking us, can we go back to doing stuff the way we used to? So we're going to break it up a bit. And occasionally, we're gonna do some of these, they wanted you and the stupid sidekick, which is me. But hey, my hair is getting blonder by the day. I know. So you can only imagine what this podcast is going to turn out to be. I can own my stupid, you own it WALE. And we're going to be doing this today on phobias and fears. So one of our phobias and fears are one of Balas phobias of well, don't know, phobia necessarily, but fear is being in front of people isn't it, and that she talking publicly, and yes, I absolutely hate it. I'm joking there, because you have to podcast, but you really don't like it. You. But nobody can see me. I know it's just us to talking to each other, isn't it with a mug phone in front of us. And that's why this works is all about being in public and knowing that I'm in idiot, nobody looking at me like Manetti, but on here they can just hit the delete button. You see the opposite, because we were chatting to by the today, when we and I'm happy to just go down the street and skipping my little girls when they were little girls and people would be like the hell you're doing. Stupid stuff with Bryce when he was little, you know, but I could blame it on him because he's little, so you're stupid. Nece can be forgiven. But not when you're by yourself. I don't care anyway. I know but I'm just happy to do whatever if I'm having fun. And if I'm not hurting anybody, then fuck you. At work, the other day, actually, the dance, and for anybody that knows me. I don't dance. But I did it. I did it. I really I was trying so hard to tap, somebody else's shoulder working say, oh. So and so wants to dance but nobody would help. So I had to do. Not good, though. A lot before we get into the show, probably. I've got a favor to ask you guys. It's not the usual, can you give us a review will though, if you'd like to then we're not going to say, no, but we were thinking it'd be pretty cool because we got lots of people write into us and message in us and all sort of stuff, which is absolutely great. And by the way, those of you that have you'll already know we do respond to each and every one of you, if you do happen to get in touch with us, you will get a response, and it won't be from producer or researcher because it's just that. So it would just be us probably never will be. No, exactly. But he is an interesting idea. I don't know is done on any other podcasts. So this is your opportunity to get your little bit of airtime on our show. This is what I'm asking or what we are skin record yourself on your phone on your computer. Whatever you want and do an intro for us. I'm not talking about music, or anything that you don't have to be able to play an instrument or anything like that. Okay. Because we've got the music to the show as you know, all we need you to do is do the vocal introduction. So it could be something just like hi my name. So and so from what's place. Welcome to the we'd Waikiki, wonderful stories podcast, Shelley, and Bala something along that type of thing. But tell us who you are way off from and then introduce us or get together. Get drunk with your friends and do some silly one that would be cool to. Yeah. Anything whatever you want. Okay. Be careful. I know that we f- I'm blind sometimes on the show. We don't tend to do that. If we've got a guest with us only out of respect for the guests and trying to keep it serious for the gas. But when is just us to on the show, we can do whatever? So if you do super route one then that's fine. But it will just be on a show that comes up with just us to if you do another type of family friendly, intro, then we can put that on any show with any guests so you can send in any fall occasion. If you doing it on apple voice recorder all the Android, one or MP three or wife any of those file formats just record it as long as you can recall voice on new year. We'll try and make it work our and okay, and no longer than a minute. Keep it to under a minute. If you possibly can, as a web file w we'll have a wave. I always just called it a. W. A. V. You know, potato potato no one in the UK, by the way says, Todd. Oh, oto. But they do say tomato. Yes. But that's not a potato it watching TV yesterday. I heard a girl call a cookie. A kooky. I will. She was from north, I ate the kooky. The cookie what she was up from Newcastle. Middlesbrough that so Varia but yeah, that's what they say. And Liverpudlians will say rather than book, they'll say boop that look at the book you mother Fuca. So today, we're gonna be talking about phobias and things that scare people like my wife's gives me name. What's the name scary wife? Bella, Bella, phobia. That's going to be at night. People are gonna show up Bella phobia. What's that? Fisher walks named ballot. No. But this woman. So do you know with the name phobia, by the way comes from Greek mythology? You've got Damus and Phobos our goal to fear. All fear personified demaurice. I think represented the kind of creep in terror the kind of terror of expectation when you watching a movie on TV the tension starts to rise in your thinking something might happen. That's the kind of personified fear all that day moss represented Phobos represented the panic, so something is not going to happen to you. And so it's the fear, you feel in that instance, so even necessarily isn't going to happen to you. But you think it's going to happen to you. Well, the example, the is on the page, that we actually look this up says that it's if the person in a movie, for instance sees their partner killed, and then something is then run into them. They've seen the death of their partner. Now they are expecting their. Death. It's that roar fear something's going to happen. And so, I guess that's why they took that one to be phobia and not Deo BIA day Moebius. Yes, we can accept no responsibility for any mispronunciations today, because some of these things are fifty cent, ords phobias, by the way can be broken Dina pound into three categories. So the first simple phobias, and they can be triggered by objects all things like spiders, for instance. Okay. So that's, that's the first type of phobia second days, like Acura, phobia and phobias that center around being in a situation. Right. Okay. And then the third type of phobia is a social phobia. It's in a social set in getting a feel some created by social set in okay? Well, let's kick it off. Then golden sum Nafobird. Yeah. Some Nafobird how you spend a not S M an I p. H O, B A. This is also a spelling bee. I've got no idea what would be some nurse. So would that be something to sleep? Yeah. Cool, gordon. Yeah. It is also known as hip Nafobird, and it is the abnormal fear of falling asleep, or sleeping. So it makes people feel like they're losing control of their body. So it freaks them out. That must be a horrible German. Mount St. and those people had fear of going to sleep because they thought Freddie, Krueger was going to attack them in their sleep. And how those people drove themselves absolutely crazy. Just to stay awake. Don't vote asleep. What are you do phone asleep? Yeah. So can you imagine what those people go through every day? Then, say recently, what they do is they can give you some medicine to not get out, so you can sleep, but it only masks, it doesn't treat, so they tend to say you have to have counselling as well to try to deal with it. Okay. Well, I've got one. What do you reckon? This is a bluetooth phobia AB at UT phobia. Was it Popeye's fans being afraid of Bluto? Yes. No. I was going to be. Bluto from Popeye come on now. So what is it then? Well, blue afraid of the color blue some people have the fear of getting clean bathing. Okay. See now I'd be the opposite because I would just close Myers. Imagine all of the creepy little things crawling all over me that we can't see. I mean, but we have got hundreds of things call. No. Sh there might be a phobia bell that two people were phobias, maybe shouldn't listen to this should they can. You imagine if you'll like a hypochondriac with phobias to someone tells you about a new fear. Then all of a sudden, you'll skate of it that would that would be over. If you do have any food is be interesting to hear from you, because all they were talking about a member being funny would also actually be interesting to hear from people that do have some phobias, and how they manage or what the experience is actually this beautiful view. I know that again, we said about an issue when you hear it, you think. Okay. So they're scared of bathing, or whatever. But really when you look at the bigger picture. They become isolated because no one wants to be random because they fucking stink. Yes, it was. True. So they get loneliness 'isolation. They actual panic attacks run face with locker shower or whatever I wonder what they're like, in the rain if they wrote into Austrailia if they're okay? An array new, just every time it rains to squirt him with some kind of shower, gel, push them out the door. Yeah. Just like us walking earlier with it. Okay. So I've got one half of phobia half a phobia, the fear of getting a small portion. No. But that's a good one. This is a rare phobia, which I mean to me that sounds weird 'cause there's fifty zillion types of phobias, this one is actually rare and it is the fear of being touched. It's not just the journal people to hug you or something like that, is that you actually do not like being touched, and it can actually make people feel ill. And you know be sick. He increases our heart ramming lake full blown super anxiety times, one hundred or something. So just from being touched, yet, they would absolutely Doai in Monmouth. Wouldn't I because MoMA time because we're only a small time here when you walk in up through the soda time sent we're all shops are this mall pathways either side of the road when you walk throughs? Because like America America, you have malls, don't you in this country? Ever see you this just on these Idi bitty. Little teeny streets. Yeah. And so everyone is is trying to stay on the pavement or sidewalk so that people don't get run over by the going up. Can't be offended if somebody rubs against you in town, 'cause you'd spend your whole lake day pissed off. So they would be screwed wouldn't. They go phobia, e g o phobia, recognize ergo, phobia. I don't know is a former social anxieties from the Greek word go, which means work, and it is a fear of work, physical and non-physical. Hell, I've got a fear work too, but that's another story. What's out again? Erga. Phobia, I'm sorry. Can't come in today have argon phobia. Yeah. That would work for me. Well, yeah, some people see as laziness obviously, but this is an actual fear. I mean, people do get stress panic attacks and all through the soul of having to do some kind of work does not the same as somebody just goes. I don't feel like it. No. But I wonder whether you would get like in this country yet benefits for everything. I shouldn't even Bala shouldn't even bother wondering because in this country, you can get benefit because this morning, new oke up and funds to benefit. Okay. Healy of phobia the FIA of high pitched voices. Now, not even close the fear of being light to the no. The FIA of DNA strands. We're going to the doctor going to the pharmacy because of the little w. Yeah. No, it is, actually the fear of the back of your foot. No. Shush is the fear of the sun would never go. No. That's why I decided just tell you to show up in nice terms. Okay. Thanks. But yeah, people are think that is harmless, but it actually can make people really ill with vitamin d deficiency. And you know, but there's no excuse for indeed efficiency these days because you can get vitamin tablets. I have some taking the little ampules cold ampule soliloquy thing you just snap the top off, and, you know, 'cause it tastes like flipping to undo writing oil, disgusting. I'm not afraid of the sun. I just, I don't know why sons afraid of you. Oh shit. The moon's come out again. It actually comes from the Greek word halio, which means son, okay, not helium. Okay. Or helix or he'll this is a good one. Well now Goodwin does a good one to try and say, I let Doxa phobia. So it's eight. L. O. D O X a phobia. Okay. I'll Doxa phobia. We'll recommend is some guy named Al doesn't like to talk his boat. I guess. This is probably the most widely relevant phobia. It is a fear of opinions is considered a social phobia, and it's derived from the Greek word for opinion, which is docs and different, which is aloe. That was the fear of opinions, you're of opinions. So is that like read it? They would we sketch hitless of read it. We'll no. But, like, if I asked you for your opinion on something you wouldn't if you got a phobia, would you, but if you were giving me, your opinion, would it be the same sort of thing, but it doesn't say but possibly that would be horrible, wouldn't it? Because if you went, even if you went to eat some way, and someone you heard someone say, oh, this is beautiful. Food is lovely. That's an opinion isn't it? Yeah. That must go on everywhere when you think about it, but I wonder how someone would actually go out in the I mean, you've got people that are frayed to go outside all that. But can you live without everybody has an opinion? That's what they say. They're like assholes. Everybody's got. On opinion. I wonder if the person that scared of the opinions has opinions Milberg got an opinion of being scared of opinions. Okay. Actually, do you know what phobias the're phobia? It is. It's a phobia, all phobias. I had a heck. Did you get there? So scared, I'm going to have a food via exactly. I used to have a real real real freaking aversion spiders, which if you've listened to previous podcasts Vars. We've mentioned my fear of spiders, atomic to and situations that I've been in with the racket upstairs and scared to death than walking through the tree in our front yard and the spot was hysterical. It was not stare for people who don't know, by the way by that actually the front of our house. We have these two conifer trees evergreens between the trees is probably a gap of maybe two or three feet and ballot. Sided that rather than walking around the trees like everyone else who comes to the house, or leaves from the house does she would go between the little gap. It was last summer some of before, and there was this big garden spider, it was big the big. They've got big abdomens, and they like spotted and also saints. And yeah, they then they're not then. Inspired not gonna win any pageant, so they. Bala decided this one morning that she was going to walk through this gap in this spider made it's nice that between the two musette and right in the middle. And I've seen it there for days and I thought he's going to be catching some good flows. Because where he positioned it. And how big that Webb was he was probably, you know, he's probably gonna open up a spider supermarket. Walk right through it, realized standard sooner she'd got through at what she just walked through realize that this big spike on a Sunday. And then we live on a main road. So we got all the traffic go in and that mama earth come in past our house. And she is doing it, Dan. I'm getting ready to report off. I knew I can't do on in the road, I ran up to chef and ran up to women. And I was like turning around. You see you need spiders of me. Please. Can you check make sure enough pointers on me? Someone we know we're striving pasta, the time Benetton. Johnson in the street. No, I've probably looked like somebody that had been touched with the tasers or more than a dancer 'cause I can't dance. We've already discussed. Anyway, I did grow a pair one day and held a tarantula in my hand. Name was Rosie. It was amazing. She was quite warm and, and stuff. But if she would've twitched, I'd have been like free will you hold in a new went. Do you wanna hold on? I was like, no. Not gonna I'm just not going do it. I'm not going to hold a spider. And she was big as my hand as big as your hand. Nuts. And I'm thinking you expect me to hold Johann later on. You did. Yeah. Only because I was scared of the spider. I was in my car yesterday, and one of driving to work. I little tiny we call the money spiders, but it's a little tiny baby spider. That was crawling on me in the car. So I wind down the window bit put my finger up to the window and saw flu. I saw great. What's that called like when they jump out of airplane jumping adver plane, he he's like? One thousand two thousand three. Anyway. So window. I'm in my car then at lunchtime. I've in my lunch and another little money, spiders, calling across my leg. So flicked off onto the floor. As soon as I flicked off onto all it gone. I have one on my left arm. It was it's brother going sister out the window. They were triplets, because window this one went on the floor, which I flicked it, then I had another one on me. And then ten minutes later. I find another one. So there's obviously been a spider. That's hatched eggs in my car, wonderful. And there's loads of these little spiders, potentially right than I, which is fine while they're little. No, it's not just don't want him getting old. So enjoy your birthday party. I'll stay or thank you. Okay. How about a new one going Khufu BIA fear of peixe? That's what you would think. But no is it actually sucks. It's like the fear of home of home, yet yoga that do not get the fear of surroundings. Can you imagine like going to work, and then at the end work, you've got to go home, and you're scared to go home? Like really terrified to go home, even if you live by yourself and your house, general, the way to get over that work from home. No, I got one get a Cup and coat. And a piece of cardboard, and then your home is wherever you stop. You never have to go monument show, the littlest Hobo. You never saw that to do. Tone that list Hobo. Oh, ho. Val now dog pretty cool. That's not funny. I probably shouldn't say that. But what else could you, do you wouldn't? If you don't leave home, then you won't get fear of coming back home would you so the fear of going back home? It is the fear of home home. Nas presi-. I wonder how these fears actually develop I wonder what creates. But then again, I suppose if someone getting dark now, but if someone was, maybe abused in their home or something like that. And the fears of going home, because the abuser is the I get that. Well, yeah, I understand that too. But, but the thing is it doesn't matter if you're, it's the buildings, the Brixham molten since home jeeze. Go go. Hey, smile on Burr, phobia, doesn't make any sense of. But anyway, what's on? Befo. Bia. O. M B, R o phobia, fear of gradient colors. No. You know, like the Hombre hair, that's a is not under Soleil. You're talking. Choke by beauty products. Soleil, Hombre hair color where it starts one color, and it fades into another color as it gets closer to the end of your silly or gradient pattern. I was on brazen, look of wood for a Mexican. I don't just what does it mean? Well, this is different its own bre. Phobias OEM Biaro, not a m it's the FIA comes from the Greek would on bro, which is rain, Sosa fear of rain of shit. If y'all got that here you made those just. Go home. British live in UK God forget about it. Okay. Shut shut shut fear of my asshole. Well, I'm afraid of that. But whatever. He's also. It's I think it's shut to phobia shadow foo via. How are you spending the first bit? I'm not it. They are. But it's. C. H. A. E. T O. Okay. So. C. H lake lake Chateau. I dunno. I dunno go, well, you gotta guess I no fear of cats. No. Well, it is the fear of long flowing hair, and then on Braehead. Some, some people are frayed of it, if it's on someone some. And they're fine. If it's good. Good. If there was a shitload of hair on the floor. Well, you can't even clean out a drain no account 'cause a hair, but you can't use this. But you can't use this as an excuse, but it also could be just people being afraid of just a hair on their bodies normal hair. So you're afraid of their own. Hey, yeah, why, why would ju- be afraid of your own hair? I appreciate the people. Don't necessarily like, hey, and so we'll shave all over such such that's, that's fair enough. But fear of your own head, I it. Yeah. When more live like that. And the thing is if you were frayed of that and say you like shaved your head. So it was bald. Whatever uneven just tried to wear a wig. You'd be terrified of the whig, wouldn't you, because a lot of wings are made out of real hair. Yeah. Wouldn't have been much money shampoo. Okay, this is an easy one. So I'm going to say this quick animal skip it krona phobia colors, no chrome CR h. Oh n phobia moving. No. I figured you'd get straightaway. This. She just coming out, no telling as in krona graph. Remote. You. Jeez. Yeah. So it's a fear of time passan. Okay. Like me because it's my birthday today, so I'm frightened of the fact that I am getting old. Although I suppose if you're not an old, you're dead. So it's, you know trade off. I'm I'm scared of dying. Mom township shared dying. I'm not scared to die. I'm scared the however it happens. So you a date. It's if I knew that I would just go sleep and wake up the next day, and be dead. Well, you don't know. Or, or hell, which would probably be worse. But whatever, but I'm not scared dying probably be worse. But you know I coul- on new gonna mention Lucifer. I knew let me tell you. The real devil is not toll Mattis. Okay. My new men Chris, I like him. I don't care. You can do care about him like as a person in real life. I'd love to me. If you go have not seen Lucifer net flicks, guys. It's amazing anyway, so I'm not afraid of death itself. I'm afraid of how you get there like it would just be nice if you firstly and that was it. I think that again, I appreciate what you're saying. There's a lot of people that are scared of this, and a lot of people that this is the major phobia. Okay. So I get that. I don't think anyone is enthusiastic, by the way, they're going to die. You know, think. Quite Kuwait obsessed with it. Are you see the actual being dead as a quite an adventure at SAM's really morbid or whatever, and I'm not hoping to bring it on any point? I am lady looking forward to find out what it is. I don't think in my opinion this, you can lose of obviously, unless you go to hell. But then trying decent person, and that's not gonna happen. So as long as an your in control of that. So I think on of see not the best person to judge myself, I think I'm a fairly decent person. So I don't think I'm going to be going downstairs. So I think all the way it's going to be good. I that there's nothing in which case I won't know about it anyway. And thus that, okay. Oh, it's gonna be great fun. So get dependent on where you go loose for handle shoveling tells you to shovel coal, you're not going to be too awful thrilled. No, no. But that's what I'm saying. I don't think I'll be going down because I don't think I've heard anybody to that degree will is that vanity though. Maybe but I'm not trying to be vain. I'm just trying to say that I do try and live as a decent person. I don't go my way to make life difficult for people. Don't worry spaceships gone come down. Take you anyway. He's exactly. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We'll just move on and true. 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And he's going to retain batch, what does brace not like to eat anything green any vegetables, the only vegetables, eat scared's, it is the fear, but not even current ES to have role counts. But it Louis Detroit mushroom this morning. But that's not well, yeah, but that's not in fact, we're not discussing this this morning over breakfast guys. Because we went out for breakfast this morning, and I had a full English breakfast, which comes with black pudding, or some people may know blood pudding, and Brooks will not eat vegetables, but he will congealed pig blood. And we want you discussing this morning. But anyway, so is the fear of troubles in the site, or the smell of them can actually make them really sick and crazy. Anyway, the advice is to take your vitamins. If you're terrified of veggies, take your vitamins vegetarians, why they would never eat you or anything else. Good to me, and me. I'm scared to them change in the world into being a place where we only grow vegetables, although saying that actually looking at all joking aside. They say that one of the major contributors to the global woman is cows. Yeah. I'm probably me. Yeah. And so, I guess if more of the world worldwide vegetarian, by the way, that was the connection between you and the cows ahead Vancouver, point that I that's all right. Maybe we shouldn't be scared of vegetarian. Maybe we should actually promoting just. The carnivores for many reasons global warming. And then, of course, you know, like I don't wanna be, yeah. Some lines pizza one night, you know what I mean? Like, yeah. Although I'm sure he probably wouldn't care about. Well, that's one of the more phobias is big cuts. Definitely and be kind when you guessed, this one K. You mean if I guess so far, I haven't got any I'm right? I'm not sure if you get it, right. I'm saying to be calling on your guesses. Okay. Faggot phobia. P. H. A. G Fagor, phobia, fear swallowing. How'd you know that man? That released Gaca phobia show got one. So in some cases, it can actually lead to massive weight loss and malnutrition, because of people's inability or perceived inability to swallow to know what the Greek word fag. O P, H, G O means. Eat. I shoulda figured that. Yeah. Anyway, you still get the point. I got one in one attitude. Ain't bad us fifty. That's good odds. All right, Phil phobia. This is so me the fear of not being full after Veton. No, the fear that fella, phobia. Is it with the ph? Yep. People. Not really. Anyway. It is the fear of falling in love. And or having close relationships with people occurred on hydro, onto that, just saying that is me. I'm scared by phone with me. Well, yeah, I was kinda scared because if you love somebody that person whether they know it or not, whether they wanted or not. They have the power to hurt you more than anybody else. You know got you know, but I mean, obviously they also have the power to make you happier than anyone else. But it is scary when you're going into something in your thinking 'cause I don't think that you can live, somebody don't really put your guard down. But is scary to it? Same time. Gosh, musuem. I'm scared to you. Full stop. As you should be. Philadelphia. The city backcomb is actually called the city of brotherly love. And that is, what that means earns three four three word failure, which is the beginning of Philadelphia, it actually means brotherly love, but also friendship affection, why. So what about the cheese Philadelphia cheese? No. I don't know good thought they make yummy cheesecakes. I know. But it's like. I know. But it's like we eat in brotherly love cheese. I'm very good. Well, I wonder if that's better untethered cheese. On fuller, phobia. So we get into the big words on full of. Phobias. O. P. H A, L phobia, I will give you fair God. I will give you two thousand guesses. Okay. You give them to me, but I'll give him back. What is it, it is the fear of belly-buttons? Look, you never know what's inside a bellybutton, if think about it, you can see. I mean if you're an Audi used together, see mug bellybutton. If you're an Audi it's all good. But if you're any in your deep any, as some people are you've don't know what the hell is in there. Do you. Well, major where my cocky is gone. Well. But I'm just saying you don't know what kind of crud, you know, like germs. I mean, a spider could across an air for all, you know, in the middle might while you were sleeping. I remember when we first got together being up, she Stein, did the fight. We used to get Q tips, clean Saadia, buddy. But McCue tips. Well, got to clean it. It kind of happens in the shower though. Doesn't it? You just kind of like shower at night. You don't need to use Q tips to you. Okay. How many people out there use Q tips? Anybody goes back to that whole thing that was on Twitter. Enough Ellen go about do you wash your feet. Okay. Yeah. And then somebody else in there said, well, hang on, if you don't wash your legs, does that mean you don't want your feet. It's disgust. Do you wash your legs? Please say do. Yeah. Does it? Yeah. Right. Okay. So you know one of the goals. Conan's down. I washed down to sort of my, I would say my ankles, I don't wash my feet in the shower. That's gross. Why not because I reached reach not far. I'm six foot five. You try bending over and Cuba, going out to sickness when you dip down to know too fast note, the galoshes in the way of my head when I'm trying to bend down now for stick your foot in the bathtub and wash it off, or somebody enter you don't need to because you. That's the scusi thing. You and a whole new light. When when you look down on the floor in a shower, and you've got good lava going on. And then you shut yourself off. You see all the so people earned suds in the button of the shower that is correct in my feet, getting them all smelling notion of do I have smelly feet. Well, why have smelly feet? Well, I don't know. No. Even go there. Anyway. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Feel. We will wait, wait, wait since you're on the subject of cleanliness and stuff. Why do people sometimes not ever? Use a wash cloth. I can't figure out why somebody 'cause you Hans, but your hands are not exporting you. They're just smearing the stuff. All right. So you don't use a wash cloth. Neither I don't. I don't know. Don't where where do you use it a freaking swimming pool? I mean one to lose loofah because I used one of them little nets thing ease who for this. The move for him. But okay. So the water flannels as you call them for, then what they make them. Oh, people. Oh people for what for washing because. Newsflash. You're forty six and your grandfather. So Hello Flynn. Oh, caress Ma, but. Terrif- Obea, how you spend an because all I'm Hyun a turf. Obea t you are phobia. Don't know this is the fear of cheese. The fleet of cheese while brotherly love cheese. Jeez. You said earlier that you were scared of the fact that the blue cheese is moult. Scares. Think about the fact that it is just like I cannot think when I'm eating mushroom that it's fungus. Because it just doesn't seem but think of the fact that when you're in a big it's grind up several bits of animals. Goodness knows what parts of the animals. That's okay. Is it? No. Because when I'm eating burger, I'm not sitting there thinking about Molly moo cow neither, but. At your character. No. I just made her up, so yes, she's a character. Molly moo cow is our new mascot. I think you should start doing children's stories. Molly fuck knows what the other stories. I take that back. Fear cheese a lot of times, I would see actual texture of the cheese. I don't know why it would be the texture because we'll know some people are very textual into a gag on coconut a food via 'cause I can't stand coconut. Swallow coconut, that's what I mean because of the texture of thing, but no suppose it's not weird because, you know, when you have Luxy real and you get the bits in the milk at the bottom. Yeah. Can't do that because I'm kind of expecting a nice smooth milk on, when you got a little bit to know makes you cough anyway, per phobia, spelt P A, a phobia, the fear of daddy's note who baddies, what a talion daddy's yes. Yes. Now. Yes. Kids, just keep on the Italian route sausages. Oh, fuck me. Absolutely. What you go from Salvin to sausages. I don't know this. Don't the way your folks. What is it? Of. When you said. Maybe congregations. But. Sausage stew? Oh my gosh. So it's people that are frayed of the pope. Is it people that refrain of the pope all pop ac-, okay? Okay. But also closely related to that hockey phobia, and that's the fear of saints and holy things. Nia phobia, how you spell it any o phobia Neo phobia? Do you remember us scared of new things? Excellent, Can you remember when we had scotch in about what neophyte was? Yes. That's how he knew that because I told my eye and still wisdom trip. Afo. Bia. T. R Y, peo- phobia trip, Afolabi, a-, don't know. It is a fear of small groups of holes bumps or even circles barely, but ends. I'm pope's. They don't like no, no, no, no. They don't like sponges 'cause bunch of holes in sponges plants that have seeds retrieves. Yes, was cheese in. The fear of cheese screwed and even your own muscle horrors, and, and stuff monsters. I don't know. It just says, no, none about nostrils is actually quite a common phobia, when I've not ever heard of that. And it's from the Greek word triple, which means hose, see, now that makes sense to me because I would trip you don't need to hold a trip. True. But anyway, you on the most accident prone person I've ever met me and Bryce Rupp stays this morning, ladies and gentlemen, to suddenly hia a scream from them stays, and then Bella shut up. I put myself in. I do that. A lot. Because like big is no descend phobia and ascend Fuyu. The fear of going up time. Yeah. Especially elevators later the list. I don't like lifts alligator's atole them if I have to it's if I have to lead wouldn't like the elevators at my work thing, because every once in a while one of them suddenly go and jar, and you'll your feet will come off the floor. I quite like that feeling but you don't like it. Because when we drove in, and we go over a slight incline through the country lanes. Hia. He goes down the road. I'm going. Think like butterflies spent cool. No. It's not cool. It's not. But roller coasters, not not cool. Cool, I knew Rivarolo coasters lot when we go somewhere I do decide phobia the fear of decisions making decisions. That is exactly right. Enough of the phobias now I asked you to test earlier on so that we could do our fleet archetypes, right? Check the show notes. If you want to do this yourself because we will include it in the show notes for you. The test can be done online. Did you put your Email address in the end, by the way you did? Okay. I don't know whether you have to do that, I didn't try in, but I did immediately unsubscribe. All right. Okay, fine. So but you don't have. To put it in. It'll show it to screen. What do you think my fear archetype is I'm not sure not having control of something. Right. Very good. I apparently the crash donator. So he is says that I I'm a perfectionist to likes things to be done right. Yeah. Degree with that? That's year. Yeah. You'll fear of making a mistake and having trouble, pulling the trigger definitely, you can spend too much time, researching and planning. You typically produce high quality work. Yeah. Yeah. You tend to be well organized, and you give great attention to detail. Yes for me. I think it was pretty close. Yeah. I think that's actually pretty accurate. So what was yours? Guess I don't know what the archetypes are. So I couldn't. Well, I am the outcaste, believe it or not. Okay. I am very afraid of rejection. Concede that I alpha n- pass up meaningful personal relationships, while I think that's a good thing because you've got one with me. Yes, I do. But it took a long time. You have that wasn't all your fault. You sometimes miss opportunities to Fuster valuable connections. You occasionally forfeit, chances to collaborate vote agree that you come across his fearless, and unstoppable. But it's probably just veneer, the fear of rejection lives beneath all that armor your frayed to trust others. You might also have a tendency to reject others before they do the same to you is exactly you couple of other things that says you fear rejection and often push people away in order to avoid being rejected. I, but I can also be a very effective leader. I'm self motivated, and I'm persistent and willing to take risks so good true. Like I like to true, but then when when I'm done doing the whole. Oh public thing. And I go home and I shut my door. I want to be left alone. I'm perfectly happy with that. I don't mind we all complete opposites ready when you think about it in that source sense, on your because I would be happy to sort of pot in socialize in and stuff. Your your. Nine no don't want it to that. I'm just saying that as a person before we would together that was kind of Molly thing might with my friends. I'm also in different. That's probably why we work so well through because you opposites attract whole up dole set you help to bring out some things in me and I helped to make me sold them down just this organized my foot. You're my unwashed foot. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So with that thought, thank you very much for listening goes ready to appreciate you spending some this again hoping enjoyed the show where it was just us this time. And hopefully, we'll bring you a few more of these Tom goes on trying keep some of our listeners happy, you like to hear a little bit more about Ashra than just where the idiot brigade, we get all the smart people to come talk to us. Yeah. And we dumb it down again. So don't forget, you can get in touch if you want to via mail, we had rocky full Dakota you. You can also follow us on Instagram and Twitter. You find us on there. You can get our website, WWW dot we had wacky full Dacuda, UK and learn a little bit more by us, and listen to any of our episodes. 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Best Pasta Shapes

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Best Pasta Shapes

"Hello and welcome to win. Food meets funny. This is the full belly last podcast I'm your host Brian Juergen, and we have an fantastic topic. It's kind of crazy in the. Countless years. We've been doing this show that we haven't done this topic yet. We're going to be talking about the best shapes for Pasta. We got a great discussion about it plus a bunch of other cool segments. You'RE GONNA. Find out about all that right after this be music. Some. Time you. To while you DON I. HALF ENOUGH! To. Belly laughs. Really put stank on theme music. I was like theme music. That but it was silly to say you know you're about to hear if you've heard this show before, thank you for clicking load play once again. It's good to have you back in the nation. If you're new to the program, welcome, this is a good hang. It's a fun time going to try and make you smile. Maybe learn you something and You know we're. GonNa get silly and serious and goof off and play some games all icon. Fun Stuff. 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What's your favorite PASTA SHAPE? And why and the members of the nation? They did not disappoint. We got some truly incredible answers. Some funny answers some great answers. It's Banger, the only the only drawback maybe that my voice cracks into accent sometimes end I forgot to fill up my water, but that's okay I'm I'm Ray rock and roll man pasta shapes. Let's get into it. We got Mike from South Philly. What is up, Mike? Thank you so much for commenting, he says. Star, wars, mack well. No clue that there is a star wars Mac and cheese, and you know what makes a lot of sense. That's that's an allied force that I can root for you know what I'm saying, plus there's some classic macaroni shapes. That port over perfectly to. The craft situation unit mean like those like empire tie fighter type deals especially. The John that's lake that like darth. Vader my ride in Scotland the weird octagon. Gla- situation. That's all your cooler cartwheel pasta shape. You know so I think that makes a ton of sense and. Yeah I guess you always WanNa Cook. You never want your Mac and cheese. Al Dente, even though it's a pasta plus a star wars, the guy make sure it's Chewy, you know. There you go! Mike continues to say. Star, wars, kraft, macaroni, and cheese the shapes, our superior as the cavities allow them to hold more cheese Saas that end I finally get to put an RTD to Emma mouth. That's cool man. If you always wonder RTD to in your in your mouth hall and go for it, it feels like C. Three Po might be better. Shape for something that were to go like in your mouth, but. Hey Man. Get Fat and Stocky Dude I'm not I'm not gonNA hate not gonNA. Yuck, Yum! It's only gonNA. Save up that Mike, Thank you so much for that suggestion. Was Awesome. We got nick from westmount new. Jersey was up, nick, he says. Far, Ferrelli because it's classy. Now Front of you that are like what is far for because I look up to its bow ties. You know it's It is what it is is not really. At Allen saying how bow ties fancy. But. That's what the far for Elliot's. Visit Bowtie Pasta. It's like okay. It's like it's like somebody tried the squish you in the center. You know it's. It's like it's like one half of Ravioli is wearing a corset or something. You know it's dislike. Guess it's not good for your posture or your shape, but people like. People think bow ties are cool. You know it is kind of interesting. How often people like go out for Nice Myung dolled up and is just for. Italian. Pasta, one of the meals make a home box processor cheap, but. I feel guilty to that. There's there's a place very local to US free to Mistero. POCES off the chain so good so banging I make positive for myself. It allows me to stay within the budget. Making positive from US Open sometimes Scott Ball out. GET PASTA OUT. You know that's that's. Really blown out because it is very good, but you could have also instead of spending twenty dollars. A plate spent. Two. Box Pasta so. There is that but. You know. There's some people that. Probably should stay home with their pasta shouldn't go out because it s I'm sure there's people that are like far Ferrelli. That's that's too far for me, too fancy and I get you know. I remember an old CO worker mind. She went out with your fiance soaring to eat, and they almost never go out the because they her fiancee's a farmer and hard work and people. You know just always like in the fields and stuff. and. He. He's a simple dude. And now he's looking at the menu and he He's like I don't like this place. I can't pronounce any dishes on here is let's here's play sucks. Please was Corrobos so? Sometimes, it's not for everybody. Yeah! I'm sure he could pronounce all the Pastas at home. Because they they make a real simple. You can see the shape you know. They don't put pictures on the Nice Italian menu so like I. Say I had Google Far Ferrelli. Nick, thank you so much for that. Suggests y'all we got. Next Jim from havertown Pennsylvania what is up Jim? He says penny or many penny. It's the right combination of size and ability to hold sauce and or anything else in the recipe. Great Point. I like though the gym includes Penny and many penny. In his evaluation. Apparently pennies just the right shape doesn't matter with the size of the penny is because apparently its ability to hold things as always good? Regardless of the. Or if it gets enlarged pennies where you WanNa, be apparently by as very true you know like. Eating Pasta that can hold onto flavors and sauces and stuff. It's kind of like the first time you had like toes-to-toes scoops. You're like I. Don't have to have like a flat. Tortilla chip till he worked for the salsa like in. Just sit there like an edible bowl. As what it's about and I I dig A. For that very reason you know. Now sauce that it's carrying to you. Know you. You pick your poison. You know what I mean. You can go the basic. Red Marinara type deal. I mean you can't go wrong with that, but you know. You also could live a little. You get one life you know you. You go outside of the basic sauce. You know saying. Kick it up a notch. Maybe get a mushroom saucer basil sauce. Might cost you an extra dollar to get the jar from the supermarket, but you know it's like hey. Allah flavor to your life ends. He didn't do it yourself. So that's win win because prime making that from scratch would be a nightmare. You could just do an audible on red altogether. Go pesto, but not all this. Got Money to burn pockets pesto. That's that's like I wanted to eat pasta out. But I can't afford that, so let me by the Pesto Jar. Jar You know saying and. Who else we got off radio? Man, do your. If you're hitting the Alfred, you are not afraid of death. Dude that is. That's heavy sauce man. I remember I used to to nonstop and. I, I was not in good shape houses. Let's just leave it at that. And then I guess you got your combination, the vodka, the pink sauce, the Rose, or whatever get a little Freida mixed with some Marinara and you know that's that's a good way to like. Cut Your off radio to hedge your bets because you really want the AL, but you don't WanNa go full blown white cheese cream sauce. So you know you mix it up. You thin out. You know what I mean. As kind of like, if you. Know. You'RE GONNA. Do Coke, but you're like. I won't do any other drugs at the same time like a mix were drink. You know so I'm like Kinda doing it safe. That's that's that's the way that i. see the vodka sauce ironically. Thank you Jim for given penny a shout we got. Let's see here. We got Hugh from havertown. Pennsylvania. WHAT IS UP HUGH? He says Angel Hair I love swirling it on my work. I feel it's the best Pasta Swirl I. Really liked the texture I. don't like Thick Pasta, so angel hair so thin is right up my alley. Wow! Lots of opinions about angel hair and swirling and techniques. I get that you know playing with your foods funds. Why kids do it just important? You got to eat it. You know you can't just like plea with until it's not hot or good anymore that that'd be cheeks. But Yeah twirling Pasta. It feels good I usually. Get shapes myself. I'm like wriggle. Tony Penny type A guy for the the sauce delivery device boy every once in a while. It's really nice with like. Some! Some Greens and some veggies to just. Do some Spaghetti. You know I know. It's like a pretty basic pasta. It's like just like you says you get the trail on you. Get the Greens mixed in there. It really packs a punch when your work gets the thickness of that noodles. And you know you can go not Spaghetti go angel hair, but in all fairness angels they must have really thick hair. You know also out angels for having edible hair. This turns in the Pasta. It's like. The, thickness of Angel Hair is like way thicker than human hair so. That's Kinda interesting. I didn't realize once you ascend. And you get wings you can. You can have like a heavy mop on your on top so. There you have it. Thank you hugh for right? And then giving angel hair shout. We Got Josh from Prospect Park. What is up, Josh? He says I'm like shells because I am a child and I want whatever boss the best fits the role of being a ball. I can fill with cheese. Josh Yeah, edible. Situation I dig it. DIG It. We mentioned that earlier. You know And Like. The only thing that can make mini pancakes. Is If. They were served on a plate and that was a pancake. Sick. But. I don't know wants to go down. The inception road of like bowls on Bozon on bowls. That are edible. You know unless you're Christopher Nolan or something but One thing I will say about shells. I. I will buy them not my top pick by lake him. They can still carry things like she's in sauce, but there are interesting switch hitter. You know because you figure. I I feel like the shells shape can also worked for like a MAC and cheese, not just like red sauce pasta Italian dish. You know so. That's kind of neat about. The shells plus you can stuff them to which is always cool. Josh. Thank you so much for your comment. We got Travis from New York. He says he also speaks for Jeff. How kite from the multi verse so Jeff from the Multi verse? He says. Was He say, he says Jeff L. Qaeda doesn't Jeff. Excuse me isn't a third person. Jeff. How doesn't understand why you would do anything other than burn? Hey, so the concept of Pasta is foreign to him. Do anything other than burn. Hey, yeah, I guess he is a fire-breathing dragging. He wouldn't need the eat. Though, so I guess he's just. He's like a carnivore through and through not about the wheat life. You know I guess he's trying decimate all. Hey, and wheat so there wouldn't be any pasta. That's Kinda Mean Jeff Get your life together. Thank you thank you? I got my water situated. From our lovely news here. All right and let's see. So, what is the concept why GonNa Maybe the concept. Make Sense. Jeff but. Jeff Jeff. You anger issues either work your stuff out. Travis on the other hand from New York he likes a few silly because it swirls and. are amused from the couch. Who Hooks US over the water? Also huge? Few Silly Fan got a shout out there. From the shadows. And Yeah, the swirls are cool, you know. The swirls guarantee way to add texture to your meal, right? Because if you're feeling flat if you're feeling like your home, cooking is getting a little too basic. As in texture. That's the best way to pump up the jams on flavor you know and. Get The you get the pasta. It's twisted. You know now turn up the few silly ready while silly, you know. I. Think that's a good place to start, so travis I'm with you. We with this is few silly household for sure mass, the Fuyu nation. We gotta love who silly. Thank you so much travis for that comment. We got let's see here. We got Michael from. Havertown Pennsylvania has. Absolutely dominating this poll kind of crazy How many people from there we've already? This is the third and looking ahead. We have a fourth, so this is outrageous, but. Havertown dominating with a great answers, anyway Michael From havertown was Michael thanks so much for writing, he says Spencer's Penis and Boo Pasta for the win. And sparked quite the thread on this facebook Paul because people are starting to lose their minds. They had no idea this was even real thing, and it is i. you can Google it. Not at work of course but. Yeah. and. You know. If you're trying if you're trying to make sure a, it's an adult only dish in Kathy. Keep the kids out of there. Then I. Think the Pinas Boo Pasta. A good way to go. You know as far as how to prepare I. Feel like you gotta serve it without of sauce thing that makes the most sense. you know got a white sauce for the Penis Boo Pasta. But I guess once a month. He could use a red sauce. That would make sense to some goal. Thank you so much for your comment. SUPERFUND and no idea that exist those pretty rat. Thank you so much. We have BOB from havertown. He's rounding out our our four person squad here from h town. I love to hear from him again to so this is awesome, Bob firm Hammerton says. Boo Curtin. Neely, that's not how you say. There's no l. let me try again. Boo Cantini Bucatini Beauge Tahini I. Don't know that's wrong, too. Let's do it one more time. This is an improvised show by the way. Let's do one more time. boot-cut Anini. No, there's not that many ends in is. Let's do it one more time. Bucatini Bucatini Very Bucatini Bucatini Bucatini guide it. Bob Firm Hammer town from the top. Let's go. Bucatini is hollow Spaghetti, so the sauce kids inside it. Better. He did not actually add the punctuation pause that I that. He says it gets inside better than like a penny, but. I just like the idea that he he later on the poll is like answers better. That was nice though I. Just add that little stank on there, but yeah I mean. Bucatini the the Straw. Of the Pasta, world you know if it's the Hannah Montana of Pasta 's Union get twirl action. The Hugh cares about beer getting the sauce carriage. The Gym cares about. It sounds like Bob is the mayor of town because he just combined both of their their concerns is one thing I've never had. Bucatini I've never heard of. It obviously can't even say it, but seems like an s tear pasta to me for sure it's seems quite broken. Bob Thank you so much for sharing that. I got to order me some Bucatini for sure all right. We got Mike from Toms River. New Jersey and Mike says. There aren't really a true shape but shells. I prefer shells and cheese to macaroni and cheese. I Lake stuffed shells if I have to choose a classic named style style. It would be Ravioli. I used to like silly when I could eat red meat and had very chunky meat sauces. I, don't know the last time I had it. Last impact here on this this answer as I kick the Mike. Let's see here first off. Might From Times New Jersey. Not sure if shells exist in reality, they're not even a true shape They don't even really exist or do anything. Sorry for all the extra interference. Their FAM- my bank. Stan just also didn't agree with reality. It felt like grabby too strong, but we're back I. IT came in equilibrium with it. So, yes, shells a different dimension. WHO KNOWS I? Do like throughout Mike's answer here. He likes stuffed. Shells likes Mac and cheese Ravioli is. He's very cheesed forward with his pastas. Which is Pretty Rad. I don't understand why who silly is relegated to only red meat sauces you can have a resolution doesn't have meaning and FAM. Learned that so. Mike I I. I encourage you to get silly once in awhile, we another commentator. Alexis. No, she didn't WanNa talk about Las. You told me to do a tour. So I tell her. In place now I talked to her like everybody talks to her. She's she's GonNa. Kill as awesome day she's. The abuse is GonNa. Lead up to some not good. That's for sure any case. I should probably do that. So thank you to everyone that wrote in. A superfund polled talk about as I mentioned earlier I was say. As, far as a full bloom pasta, the isn't exceptional. Carrying sauces. I was a few silly. Although occasionally like give twirl with the with the Spaghetti ads, and then I'm a Rigatoni like Chunky and funky big sauce carrier, but down with penny to you know so. It's kind of where I stand, but. I never even heard of Bucatini, so there's probably other pastas out there. You know just just on the frontier. That I've yet to explore some. Maybe we can go there together knows. I I'm I'm going to thank you for contributing superfund to do that poll and if you want to get it on the action, join our facebook. Group A Super Fun. Lots of great content and polls and discussion questions and stuff like that and like people get stuff I there so. 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I'll tell you that most that's for sure and you know what. You need hard drugs. Get through that stuff. That's what you need Gimme. The morphine drip docked because these stones are huge. You know and. I'm not hearing this mind over matter nonsense. If you got booze on your body, your mind, it better gap the way. It can't do nothing, so stop listening to the people sitting around doing nothing telling you to now fix your body because education medication. That's going to help. That is going to help, so you need to keep producing. Keep working. Keep doing what you love doing and you need drugs. Make sure your body failed for good. This message brought to you by the Big Pharma. And fubo lanes is happening. is this serious time of show which is weird. That I decided to do goofy song. It's time to talk about logical. Fallacy work. Hainan of bias and the reason we do. This is because it's fun to goof off and be silly, but it's nice to learn to you know. So. As I. As I wet my throat there so I can tell you about this logical fallacy A. Yeah like. I said is good to learn and not be purely silly, but it's fun to talk about compass curtain back on like where county can come from, but it also just helps protect you from charlatans out in the world. And also help you. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. You can fall into one of these fallacies look foolish. What to look for, so you can go to the website you were logical. FALLACY IS DOT COM. That's where getting all this continent from for this segment. They're fantastic website. They have great merch. They're not a sponsor of the show. I just think they're really great resource, so please check them out, but you can just keep listening last and we'll cover off him this week. We're covering the foul. See personal in cred you and. Incredulity, man I'm so Beta pronunciation. Incredulity. That's not how you say, but. Hopefully, you know talking about usually. Usually, go the your logical fallacy as dot com, and then you can see the word, and as the computer had a pronounce it. I'm going to read off their copy and these worries. I feel good about saying so. We should be doing a lot better here as the definition for this. is saying that because one fine something difficult to understand that it's therefore not true there example is. Kirk drew a picture of a fish in human and with a few sieve. Disdain asked Richard if he really thought. We were some stupid. Enough to believe that a fish somehow turned into a human. Through just like random things happening over time. So yeah, so basically saying like. Basically argument is if you can't understand something refuting and that is a fallacy. You don't have to understand evolution revolution to be real. You don't have to. From our fake commercials you don't have to understands. The economy for the economy to actually be a thing that affects you and people you know, and and the world and markets and stuff and. You know just because you might not have like a tangible way to prove that like your mind can influence sensations in your body doesn't mean that your mind isn't that powerful right? So that's where like the fake commercials came from. and. I would say like the most common example this online. Dang strikus. Truck along here outside. A good rolled off. As danged if he parks oil front of window is GONNA be No Bueno for podcasting all right so was saying Oh. Yeah, I, feel like the most time that you. Could see this coming up. People like refuting something because they don't understand it I would say. Web Chats for sure so like comment threads or like live chats like on twitter or something like that I think you see a lot to in lake? Reaction Videos perhaps. Is Lot of them are usually just snapped off, immediately From a place of Laiwu. Why don't like this right? Don't get this or something like that so. But. Yeah would say it's. It's probably more calm in that. It deals. was something a bigger idea than us like something that you can't really see in person like the economy or or whatever so? Just be mindful that like in your own life. If you feel like somebody doesn't understand how something works, that might be the position on why they're like arguing against it. And for yourself to like just because you don't get, it doesn't mean it's not true to. and. You know it's a perfect device for comedy you can have. You know just like their example. This guy doing the ridiculous example like fish to human. You'd have a silly character like that and your sculpture fake, commercial or something like that, so that is our logical fallacy for this week I hope it lands. You something hope you liked it and we do that every single week so there you go. Is that time the show where to recommend a piece of content and a content creator to you. This is a repeat content. Creator is the Youtuber will shoulder and I just wanted to pump him up again because. He's a smaller channel. US like a lot of legs, subscribers, or whatever and he puts out videos of sporadically lay when he feels like really passionate, or now's about something, and he spends a lot time almost video essays so. I like giving him an extra shops. It's like he's clearly like a content creator hustler. It's Nice fulltime job. He tries to put his best foot forward and he succeeds every time. There's not the videos that I watch from him. I really really enjoy and before I recommended the one about Irony this one is bow bow Jack Horsemen and how it subverts narrative, and that's the name of the Video Hal Bujak horsemen subverts narrative and I really recommend checking it out. I feel like the only way you shouldn't watch this the USA as if you plan to watch that TV show. I knew that I wasn't, but I was curious to learn. More of exit heard good things so I really enjoyed wills video, even though I never even watched Jack and it's just it's. It's just really interesting how? And it makes me WANNA watch Borak even though it did have spoilers because it just cool how that show has. The characters evolve only continuum, and it's not like. Oh everything's back to normal after twenty minutes on the contact. The conflict was resolved. Whatever like real things happen real people change and all that jazz and the show, even though from a cartoon, the does a great job of. Dealing with existential traumatic stuff that. US. As adults go through all the time, so it's very cool. If you're on the fence about watching this show. Maybe it's worth watching this video. If you've seen the show or have no interest in watching the show. I think is just a great video essays. Perfect example of. What you can do on On a piece of content that you enjoy a great way, celebrate something, so check that out. We'll Schroeder's. How bujak horsemen subverts Neritan. Every Single Day Food Hollandi. y'All know that unless this is your first time listening to this show. Maybe you didn't do that, but yeah years dude. John Brian Hopkins, you creativity, food, calendar. All these different food holidays and Full Day last saga rates will. One of them every single day, sometimes on foods double up the their holiday on the same day controversial, but we're not going to get into that right now. Either way full by last every single day puts out an article in video about a food holiday and this week hasn't really good ones bangers. and. I'll tell you about a couple of them one. We had Nash International Skews me. It's rare link to international prestige. International for Waffle Day and flowers are fantastic. Human Lady Love Him. 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I have a character and gonNA build a story. This character and you can play along while you're listening and try and figure out who you think the person is and. I will. Do My best to make it pretty obvious narrow down the questions to just try and see how quickly you end up getting it The real answer to my character will be on the webpage for this episode is GonNa fly last dot, com and look for the favourite pasta shapes episode, and it'll be towards the bottom of the copy there so. So without further ADO Baker, the you goes, who full by last dot com slash who dat on your phone or on your tablet or your computer? Whatever so that we can follow along, you can see the pictures of all the possible people that could be talking about. You can click on them to like cross the now if you don't think that. That person is my person so here we go. All right so my person. Is? Is Very Athletic. Loves athletics. pretty much unless required to. Is Wearing leg. The comfy is close. 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Our Favorite Cereals

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58:00 min | 3 months ago

Our Favorite Cereals

"Hello welcome to win. Food needs funny. This is the Full Bay last podcast I'm your host. Brian Durkin and we got a very fantastic episode for you I. Hope You're listening to it in the morning because we're discussing our favorite cereals, we pulled the people, and they did not disappoint with their answers all of that, and so much more after the Jangle. You want to have a great time you. To fly, you dine sign. Half enough. Belly laugh. Welcome back to the program. I know was only fifteen seconds that you were gone, but you know what in that time? There was no noise. And now there's a bunch traffic with time passes things change. That's what happens in reality and also full by last. Thank you so much for clicking to listen once again. If you're new the show, that's pretty Rad dude. Thanks or do that, you know, consider do general neutral, but some people don't. It's a controversy anyway I'm just happy that you're here and if you've been listening to the show for a long time. Thank you so much if you have never listened to the show where you haven't listened to a wile. I'M GONNA. Give you a little breakdown on what to expect. We're going to shout out a supporter of full by last night of you know. The Ku Klux Klan or something like that. Those people do not get shout outs here. We are going to dive into a social media poll that Iran four the very topic are fever cereals and results very good. I do to give a disclaimer though. We have done a topic similar to this in the past, but you know this is episode two hundred and thirty six. I think we're GONNA. We're going to dive into the similar pools. Some other topics and I think this one's unique enough. Before we tried to rank what actual cereals are best this more about your personal pref. What makes something your favorites so i? Think we're in the clear plus. It was like three years ago and you know new cereals have come out. Tastes have changed. New People have commented, so should be off freshness. For this episode of Fear Not, if you have vivid memory of an episode from three years ago, Pie Casca for you if that's the case on a game show because you probably will crush it in any case. We're also going to talk about logical fallacy or cognitive bias. These are things that. Affect a center everyday life. They're pretty cool, and we're also going to have a phobia laughs. Recommendation to a content creator show other people create content because we like to think we create content here on a forward I'm also going to be taking off my clothes throughout the episode, and also we'll be doing a recap of the food holidays from the past week. Week and a lot of good ones you can find out all the full bailiffs dot com, you get quick, quick snippet here, and then, of course the episode is going to end with our ultra music, but before that we will be playing some party games and board games, and it's going to be a lot of fun so all that and so much more. 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All right, Fuyu lands, it is time to get into that social media poll, but before we do want to give a quick shout out to some of the made it into this poll. I meant to shut him out earlier in the episode, but I was just so hype on the Intro I started talking about other stuff. I just want to give some special attention to Josh from prospect park in PA reading here from him later in this poll. He's one of the I saw. His name was one of the commenters We made it through on, and he's a good dude and comments, ally and I'm glad that he made the cut of comments that we're going to focus on this episode. And he's just got thorough answers always fun to read and I. Just appreciate the patronage, so thank you josh for your support so. With that said, let's get into the topic at hand. The reason maybe one of the reasons that clicked on this episode favorite cereals so I, asked on facebook. What's your favorite cereal? And why and oil boy the the numbers of the Foo Bula Nation? They did not disappoint kicking it off. We got Calvin from Lancaster Pennsylvania. What is up Calvin Manguson much commenting and he says. frosted flakes, their. Light. Smelled exactly how Tony was so perhaps the Calvin on. Great spelling, you know. Eat I think a lot of people in spelling bee might get that wrong now. Youth and it's important as what you ask us in a sense because of his that that you know there's like nine hundred gs in their or are excuse, only one Jay. That's what people get tripped up. In any case, Calvin from Lancaster. frosted flakes. Poll. If somebody out there ding gives them love the F. F. and. You Know Tony? He's cool I. Guess I mean he's been. He's at that Gig for a long time. You know. Dude is like. The Pat Jack of cereal mass. He's cranking out the boxes in the episodes. So good on him i. hope the Tony's doing well, you know like. I, think. He might have been Juiston for awhile. He's kind of ripped. If he's only frosted, flakes might be some enhancements. He shooting in the booty that we all know about so Tony. Be well, be safe. We don't WANNA lose you. May We love? You, telling us how great best cereal is Calvin? Thank you so much for that comment as Guei kick things off all right, let's keep Iraq and rolling in. We got sean from Athens. Pennsylvania up Sean, he says. Barley because beer. Didn't realize barley was a serial, but he does go on to explain. The cheerios are made a barley, so I guess cheerios his favorite. Because they remind him drinking beer. I Dunno But that is Rad. That one plant can make beer or An instrumental cereal to American society. I don't know what child that makes it from zero to one without eating some Cheerios, so that's just a fact right there. But you know. That's an American thing which is interesting because it sounds like cheerios. Is a British cereal, but I think it's I think it's American. And if that's the case, if cheerios aren't British serial appropriation right there, I don't like any of that. I don't like that one bit. You know I. Mean the Brits they they come out. They got come up with a new phrase for Blimey Governor Sake I'm saying. Couch got the cats on that one. You know you know it's a hit. You know the rifts ahead on the couch has communists I love it. I. Hi, thank you so much for that problem we wouldn't. We wouldn't and got there without us, so thank you for. Same Barley your favorite cereal. I guess you just. You know, go out side with a sickle chop downs of cereal and ask the milk and you're good to go. All right, let's keep rocking and rolling. We got Chris from Philadelphia. Pennsylvania was up Chris. He says used to be lucky charms because I like the way they tasted, but now I don't have a favorite. Cereal as much as I used to anymore okay. Interesting comment on my favorite cereal bowl. Chris elaborates. He says I stopped. Because cereal is bad for me. You see if there is a box in my house I will eat the whole box so I decided to not bring any cereal into my house for health reasons mainly to keep my weight down. The marshmallows for one. Also the corn meal, or what ever the non marshmallow are called alcides good I think he was responding to what degree Alec Charms. Okay. Gotcha Gotcha people had questions being like. What are you doing here? Chris very thorough answer. Thank you so much for follow up I always do appreciate that stuff. Yeah I mean. I, get it. You know like I used to eat cereal all the time. Even as a young adult I would stock cereal and just crush it. It'd be like. An afternoon snack. It'd be like three bowls. Never just one. Guy Go Ham with serial e. These I do I'm sure when listening is being your Monster Bryan out. After one bowl, but you know. I'm with Chris Man. I could eat the whole box so I feel that also as you grow up as an adult like. You probably have other preferred ways of getting your sugar fix in the morning Oh. We got new commenter. Alexis saw. Are At night. She's she's. She's done now. She's quite. anyways. yes, sugar so. You want as an adult. If you like dessert coffee. If you're sugar and cream coffee guy, you can't have sugar and cream coffee and also lucky charms in Bilkis too much. He can't do all that, so you gotTA. Pick your poison. You know so I, think if you start doing the like double d you know iced coffee with lots of dairy and sugar and stuff. He's got to give up the cereal. There's no way you can do both. You'll die and if you'd like a sweet treat bait good. Or A muffin? It's basically a serial as a base good so. I think that's a substitute and. Our, I'm at my life when I eat breakfast, but to the cereal cereal eaters out there i. Appreciate your consistency. There's something to that, too. So I'm not trying to hate just trying to hit it from every. Chris from Philadelphia. Thank you so much for that comment. We got Jim from havertown Pennsylvania. What is up, Jim Jim. What do you got for us what he's saying, he says. What's your favorite cereal? And why is it cocoa pebbles? Don't bother me with the cocoa krispies garbage. Jim Hitting us with a classic Internet meme. Syntax we've all seen it in the comments and you just can't escape it. It's a classic joke and He got us so his answers. COCOA PEBBLES AND You know I'm I'm not going to disagree. I've never really eaten them, but also. Cocoa cereals are like. The Eldorado. Like imply you know legendary city of gold? Type of breakfast like there's no way as a kid. My parents were ever buying like a chocolate cereal from is not a reality. That was ever possible, so. Respect to anyone the got to eat that as a kid and I totally get it if you eat as an adult because you couldn't have it as a kid, the debate on pebbles versus Krispies I have no clue I'm a big fan of the Bros. the snap, crackle and pop just like their squad and their names. I was never really a Flintstone Guy, but you know I could be swayed I could see how a pebble might hold the Cocoa Code Coding A little a better than crispy, but. Not I'm, GonNa Defaulted Jim from havertown. On why? And just trust him, so thank you. Jim, for that for that comment. We Got Mike from lansdowne Pennsylvania. What's up? Mike Mike goes on to say. The only answer is cinnamon toast crunch. It stays crispy and crunchy longer than most cereals. It had the best commercials and. The Post cereal cinnamon milk is the best way to end breakfast. Mike Lena down here I mean he's not lying. He's got some great points. The Milk Flavor at the end is definitely an important component on picking your favorite cereal. And Real Talk. If you don't like drinking the cereal milk, you pry need a new serial. and. The the. How how do we describe this? The integrity index of cereal is very important once dives into that bath of milk. It's a ticking time bomb, but the cereals that can withstand that can absorb the nutrients in the flavor of the milk without. Succumbing to dissolving to it. Dying to it. That's a serial with strength and it's a serial you should consider. I like where Mike is coming from with CTC now. Here's my thing though. Not Huge Cinnamon Toast Guy. That's not my go-to thing if to eat breakfast other than cereal. If there are other breath items turned into cereals. Now, we're talking right. Next think, so we will be some classic breakfast items. Turn Israel's who we get ourselves. Captain Crispy Bacon. That would be a bang a serial Dude Bacon. Bits milk game over. Instead of frosted flakes Egged flakes. That's not good. That's pretty dress. Pancakes you go. Not The UK's all berries needed to be any better as great cereal very happy accident there by the way, not a problem at all. No need to soups. Mike from Lansdale, thank you so much for your comment. Though C. Refunding, Chevelle, we got Josh from Prospect Park. Out earlier, he's back in it to win it with these comments. What's he got to say about his favorite hero. Josh says Magic Spoon. It's a new protein-based cereal. It is compl-. I'm messing up here. He goes on to the library, but it completely satisfies my CEO craving. Wild, being a healthier alternative to store bought brands, runner up and longtime store-bought favourite is puff ans Chris airy end delicious without being overly sweet like cinnamon toast crunch well shots fired. Mike. Josh I love it, you know that's. I appreciate. That you are evolving and your cereal tastes in your palate in your game. Magic spoon doesn't sound like an adult cereal protein-based cereal, a sounds like puff. The Magic Dragon now is like shocking cereals at kits. You know, but. name might be for the serum. Great Not GonNa hate too hard. And I, never really messed with the adult cereal brands. 'cause you know like the food, cop or something like ten dollars bags so much so expensive. Sure it's great for you. I can't justify that one zero because I'm eating like. Five per sitting, you know I'm just hitting it hard. Like our previous commenter from Philadelphia, so. He just challenging to spend that much more cereal when you can instead by like three or four gas station, breakfast, sandwiches or better yet, ninety breakfast do intermittent fasting sust save money and shed pounds, but. Maybe be hungry. It's a trade off. You can't win. It's opportunity costs US life. Josh thank you so much for your comment. I. Really appreciate that we. From Magnolia New Jersey would is up. Alex all right glasses or back on. Closer off the. Don't worry about that. Guy Alex remain Nola he says when I was a kid. Peanut butter crunch. But. Since I've been an adult when I turned thirty five. Any like bran flake reason slash dates. Slash nuts cereal. The helps me poop. But no for real I still love peanut butter crunch. That is is the best. House getting roasted in the comments. People come after him saying he's a boomer. He's old. He needs help pooping all that fun stuff. And, that's. Not starting correct. A by I will say Alex is probably right. About the peanut butter crunch I mean. Let's just give it up for a second. Just have a moment for peanut butter bean, an absolute banger you know. First of all peanut butter is an acceptable. Base ingredient for a sandwich. And also a dessert. That is versatility people. Now the same John. Hitting you in the morning, maybe helping poop. As arguably one of the greatest. Ingredients full-time so. As I. Get peanut butter. Crunch makes sense. You got the crunch. You got peanut butter. Game over Jiji's, you know. Alex, thank you so much for that comment. We have cat from fall crowds. Pennsylvania, what is up, cat? She says frosted mini wheats because you can't eat them like chips or Let them soak in milk with an extra frost and one. Oh, hells, yeah, and the crumbs at the bottom are the best. Man There's nothing better than people dislike. Living in the moment of their comment, you know like write about their favorite food thing. And you can feel like as the words and the typing is flowing at them. They're like tasting it again in their mind, you know. It's so much fun. So good about reading these sometimes and. I dig it. I think frosted mini. wheats is a classic serial. You know clearly. The doctor Jekyll Mister Hyde of the breakfast game. and. I got them sometimes. My parents. I think relied there half healthy, so we'll let you splurge and get mini wheats or something. I wonder if there is any dumdum parents out there. They got tricked like an entrepreneurial kid like somehow got a bunch of in many ways and just turn them all to the healthy side related. Look, it's just these are these are fine. unfortunately frosted titles that Gambit Pride not work, but. I. Appreciate the effort that guy that kids going to intern for like. Gary V or something with that kind of spirit and the and tenacity and other words. They use on sportscenter anyway. Thank you. For Your comment Super Fun to reform talk about we got Jason From Berlin New Jersey was up. Jason he says Golden. Grams are the best most widely available serial. Sunrise is my all time fave, but I've only seen it in Florida. I didn't even realize that laid. Local cereals were thing. Knowing regional cereals? That's a love for cereals that. I can't I can't front I just don't have not. I'm not aware of it. Now being a Philadelphia native. A No I I've been around a tasty cake or to a lot of people that are not Philadelphia. Don't even know what I'm talking about right now, so maybe there's a tasty cake of cereals and I'll change. Moss gripped on cereals on beaten cereals every meal every day after I get a little sunrise in my life. I will say the sunrise. Great name for cereal. Honestly perfect, I can see the commercial now six. Start Your Day with the sunrise. Man, Jason Thank you so much for your common man. That was cool to learn about regional cereals. We Got Kevin from Redmond New Jersey what's up Kevin. He says I challenge anyone to find better cereal for dessert than reese's puffs. Go ahead. I'll wait. It's like candy for a meal. And all those comments about how good the cinema milk with chocolate milk is after. Well how about receives chocolate peanut butter milk bone? He makes a great point. The reasons puffed cereal. Milk has to be out of this world basically like you somehow melted down a receive cup without heat, which doesn't like already a magic trick, right? That's pretty pretty bad ass. I. Even though as A. I really wanted the cocoa pebbles in the rough three puffs. You now because the chocolate as an adult I really cannot imagine starting my day. Like that this is so much sugar. It's so aggressive right by. You know there's worse ways to start your day. If you if you wake up in the morning and you eat something that's like. DETTORI Torius lunch item as your first meal at seven am. That's insane. Right views crack open at Hanna Tuna. And not feed it to your cat and you start eating it. You need help. That's a wildlife. You're you're you are listening to a beat? Nobody is hurt and. You should probably tell people about it because it's. That's very interesting. I don't know anyone that's done that. That's that's a wild maneuver right there. Hey, you know different, Sherzer different folks same Kevin Thank you so much for giving receives puffs some love. They hadn't gone any love on the poll until you made that comment, so thank you very much. How you got in the mix all right? We got Vicky firm West Norton Pa. What is up Vicky? She says love this year, Syria. I am the serial addict. But my cravings are not always for the same serial. If I had to pick at this very moment, it would be frosted flakes. The way that they incorporate the frosted sugar into them makes them a new. A whole new cereal not just cornflakes with sugar on top and. Every pregnancy had me craving cheerios. Captain Crunch with crunch berries is totally worth cutting up the roof of your mouth, Apple Jacks and fruit loops amazing, and what would the world be without weet corn and rice checks cereals that go into making checks mix. As I was like read through that, and that list just me like I was reading a Gospel or like. Like. It just felt like a proverb like tank dues as laying down Vicki. Very thorough answer. Clearly clearly demonstrating her cereal chops. You're. Not a novice to this year. Old Game clearly loves it, so I'm glad we guy expert in the poll. and. It's funny that nobody mentioned checks until Vicky got in the conversation. 'cause check similar to peanut butter is just one of these like incredibly. Versatile things you know the fact that it made the leap to being a snack I think like Cheerios is the only thing that can really make that claim you know. But. Checks. I. Guess is like Google Translate. Test or mean of cereals right because it's like you turn into a smooth, you translate check cereal into snacky checks mix you try to take checks mix and turn it back into a serial. That is no good. It's not tasty. Cereal that you want you want just the checks newman, no remix, just original. Please thank you very much. Vicky. Thank you so much about answer. Those super thorough and fun and I really appreciated. Michael From Pittsburgh Pennsylvania what is up Michael he says. Post great nuts because it's not grapes or nuts, but they had the balls to call that, plus it's tasty and crunchy. Love, the little like flared the NBA like. It's also a really good. And I also love the Mike. Said Post great nuts as if like. We're going to be confused and be like way. Did you mean Kellogg's grape? Nuts or general mills grape nuts. So good I don't know any cereals than great. Let's called grape nuts, you know. It's like wait. Are you eat? Are you eating captain? Crunch from posed or from this or that? I love I love the extra deeds man. They're fun. They're fun. But yeah, I mean. This is a serial that I would not eat. You know it's I. Can't imagine. Start my day like fruit testes. You know what I mean. That's just too much and you know. That's why I don't really eat balls or nuts. In general you know you. You can't have him straight up like that at least tournament to a butter. Like peanut. You know there you go. That's we made it full. Sir, or back to the peanut, having it doing it loving it. Mike from Pittsburgh. Thank you so much I. Apologize For same Michael Before you didn't. You didn't write. My was excited. We got Herbert from yonkers. New York, what is Herbert. Thank you so much for comment on the poll I think. This you may be a first time. Come and tour. Herbert says. I'm really liking. The quaker oatmeal squares the Oat fiber is much less refined than wheat, plus I sprinkle some brown sugar on top, and finish it off with a handful of raisins before pouring in the almond milk. Oh and then it says because he wrote. He styled his facebook comment in a way where you have to click the read more to see for Tim is. We're clicking. he did a bunch of ellipses, and then all the way the bottom it says. I eat it the four bed so I can have a comfortable cleansing bowel movement every morning. I combined fibers and antioxidants from the OATMEAL. Raisin really helped. Push out anything that's backed up well. Herber I, really appreciate your tactical and adult approach. I will say that adding the brown sugar though is a little whack. You probably could probably a sugary cereal out there. That is so bad for you. That like it'll blast through your system anyway but. You know your system better than anybody else, so it seems like you got formula. Go on. Feel that. I'm very intrigued. I've never heard about selling eating late night meal before beds, so they can poop the next day. That is some serious planning. And Kudos to you thinking ahead, you know but Get in the moment, little have sugar cereal sometime in. The AD in the brown sugar. I just I just want you to live your life. And maybe you are, but. Just seems maybe you can have the poop cereal, and then you can ball out with a desert cereal lag, lucky charms afterwards I duNNo. anyways, thank you so much for commenting and sharing. I really appreciate that all right. We got Max from Berlin Pennsylvania was up. Max, he went on a tear year and commented like five times himself And, he's a big fan of apple, Jacks. It's really all there is. To say here. there's so many serials. He also likes bound cereals, yeah! It's just funny that he commented five times to himself saying Apple Jacks, not close the posted the pitcher more reasons than he like questioned himself. Now applejack, even as a kid just always felt like a mountain dew of cereals, you know just like so extreme and green. You know as something. Some. Radioactive about it. I just can't describe any other way. The, Max thank you for giving Aj some love, no guy a brief highlight from Vicky, but you really really were champion, so I feel that and. Since, we got a lot of other segments. Do here on the podcast. I'm just GONNA. Read One more so we. Don't have the show go too long and we got Caitlin from havertown Pennsylvania. What is up Keelan? She says the only serial that exists in my world is special. K Red Berries. It's not too sweet and most important. It takes a long time to get, SOGGY SOGGY CEREAL is. To use an Emoji, not a word. She goes on to say I haven't purchased any other type of cereal over ten years. I don't even like other special K varieties because they get sake too quick. If I eat another serial like sugary one that tastes good dry. I literally have to add it to the milk. Bite by bite to avoid it getting soggy. which makes too much work. So I just eat special k read Mary's. Man Caitlin. A love it. So many details I. Don't know what trauma you went through a soggy cereal, but you are not a fan. I love Al.. I love your solution. The each sugary cereals one by one is like literally. Get out style. So creed don't do that anymore. This don't eat sugar cereals or just accept that some of them won't be soggy. Out? Yeah maybe by smaller bowls so that way there's less milk and cereal together, so you can eat it quicker or maybe you need to start eating cereal. A little bit more like a character eats rice in an annonay, and they're just like vacuuming it up. And not have a leisurely conversation while you're saga. Sugar cereal is marinating milk, but. I. Don't WanNA judge want assume. How your cereal practices, and so on that clearly eat cereal all the time and eating the same share for the last decade. I imagine you've done many experiments so. I'm going GONNA on a default to your export expertise. I love that there's only one special variety of special Keagan handle. Your need for cereal integrity. So I feel that feel that. And Yeah! I mean all jokes aside. Soggy cereal sucks, Dude. It's like you know commute into work in the rain and sit the office all day with wet socks. You know it's no good. It's not not the way you want to start the day. CAITLIN. Thank you so much for your comment and thank you everybody for commenting on this poll. Who suber funding at your answers and chat about the podcast? 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PRETTY PRETTY APP since I did promise Oh taking off on my closest episode. What's going on with this new this? The nudist a is the top half is drawn on their character. The top has is an assassin. Okay, so it's just. It's just a naked assess. Let's all tapped here. A lot of drama for not too much action and the naked assassin is going after. A spider, and so, what's going on with the spider spider? GotTa get the flick now that it's real. The Spider is armed with a rocket launcher UK well. I will say that. I don't think the no clothes. I guess, let me set up the whole stage. How is the naked assassin going to defeat a spider armed with a rocket launcher now first and foremost bringing assume the spider can wield. rocket-launcher can carry it. It is trained. You know knows how to fire at reload it all. Add Jazz. It would be pointless evident. was just it was just building. The web on had no clue right those condom so? How does the naked assassin take down an opponent like this will for starters. I don't think it's a prom that the assassin is a nudist, not one bit. Because closed they they're not like gray armor against rockets and spiders they can. They can creepy crawly up your sleeve. Give you a little bite anyway especially, if you're snoozing at night again under them, blankets and stuff so. Close. They wouldn't stop anything. Now. It's also not an advantage, either if this new, this has a banging body or An interesting body. Another opponent might just be distracted, but the spider is not even the spiders got lots of is doesn't have any. Is Freeman bodies? Unfortunately unless it's trying to bite you, then it's then it's. Then! It's interesting, but not. For sexy stuff tries the it's not. INTO BESTIALITY TRIES TO KEEP IT in its own species type of deal so. The naked assassin. What is it GonNa do well even closed. It could still have a dagger and. Assassins do creepy so. You know pry Wa tiptoeing type deal and. I think if the assassin can. Relieve. It stealth. Then it might be able to sneak up on the spider, and sometimes it's spiders tough to find, but luckily this one's holding a rocket launcher. That should be easy to see so. That's actually kind of a detriment to the spider. So. This is a situation where the range. And the map that they're fighting on really matters if it's like a city. Situation. There's not a lot of people around thing to spider loses. The assassination is going to be a sneak up on it, but the city situation. and. You know it's not a naked bike ride day. People are gonNA. Call out this nudist. For being naked spiders going to know where it is boom rocket launched. Now! If, it's out in the desert or someone. Could go either way you know the really far apart from each other. And if the spiders got a lot of rockets, it could just star blasting off right. If ammos limited and the spider you know is distracted by all your things in the wild. I think the assassin could sneak up. The assassin has the right Natural, camouflage for the virus to. It can really go the assassins way now. Apparently somebody outside Greasier. Now. It does get a little gray because I could see it in a wide open space going either way, and it depends on. How gile assassin is I think from long distance you might be able to dodger rocket. Also, it's tough. For a rocket to hit a person I think it's better hitting vehicles. So yeah I can see. I think the assassin takes down. Because, the spider can't use the rocket launcher enclosed range. Less. It's like a suicidal spider which would be a wild way to go out Ray? Could you imagine if any of those types of? Murderous people that do shootings had rockets the. That's not fun thing about I. Don't know why said that. Stuff off. But yes! I think we're GONNA. We're GONNA. Call here I think the assassin the naked assassin. It's GonNa take it down because not having closed not. Unless. You, know, Puritan, ARC's call out or the assassinated for not having clothes on, and then the spiders like Ah-ha and sheets a rocket, but it's pretty much the only way the assassin could lose so there you have it that superfly is just as simple. It's a really fun game to play I recommend that you play with your friends. It's a good time. If you're looking for a game to play, we just released a free web game on our website. Is GonNa full by laughs? Dot Com slash. Who Dat if you're a fan of the game, guests who you will like this game, it is also the guests who. Or the guests who related segment I should say that we used to play for live performances of the Pie case all the time, and like I, said it's totally free and available for you to enjoy your friends and family at full by last. DOT, com slash. Try it out. My why mates people will enjoy that phrasing there you have it. That's the episode. Rosa Banger was fun. 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Favorite Breakfast Foods

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Favorite Breakfast Foods

"Hello and welcome to win food meets phony. This is the full belly laughs podcast I'm your host Brian Durkin and we're GONNA have a good time a fun time if you will maybe learn ourselves something I dunno. If you're real BRAINIAC and you know it already, then you're not gonNA learn anything and you know what? If you're that big of Brainiac Yard knew that but I think a lot of us out here are going to learn some stuff and we're going to talk about some of these near to all our hearts. It's breakfast you. Time you. To while you dine, that's. Half enough. To. Belly laughs. All right. The Jingle has jangled. Let's get into the show I am still Brian Durgin and this is still full by acid has not changed tracks or podcasts. You are where I hope you WANNA. Be You did click I I don't understand how this would auto played Please tell me the device call in. If you can. The number is nonexistent scenario. In any case, this is where food means funny. It's a comedy improvised podcast where we're going to discuss them the food related but food is not the only thing I care about I do love it. It does help me stay alive and titillate might taste buds but I like gains and I'm not talking about drama talking about over the. Board, you know park tease cards, all that kind of stuff. So we're GONNA mix set in to end. You know what I like to learn me something as well. So we're going to we're GONNA dive into the nodal learn ourselves something about the brain you know what I mean logical fallacy. That's what we're going to cover. That's what we're going to get into and you've all that to look forward to logical Faouzi coverage Social. Media poll about our main topic today about what's everyone's favourite breakfast. Got Lots share about that. I have not really looked at everyone's answers yet. So it should be superfund. We also are GONNA play board game, of course, and I'm probably going to have someone try and get me to invest in cryptocurrency decline, but that will be happening in the background. You won't hear it on the cast it'll be through text and yeah. Fund shots some people out. Shout out a fan shouted content creator recap some food holidays happened this week. Always food holidays talk about. So yeah, it's going to be a good time. Hopefully all that sounds good to you in sounds fun I. Think it is. If I. Didn't it'd be weird because I'm doing the show you know. So with the little outline and the way let's kick it off with our first Segi and that is to shout out. A supporter of the show and I WANNA shout out Jack from Ridley Park Pennsylvania what is up Jack? Jack is a nerdy guy he. Builds miniatures like the. Were Hammer forty of he's very talented. He is a bunch that are. Sculpted really well I guess you don't really do the sculpting, but he he glued the pieces together exquisitely and. Where his craft really shines as you paint these John's after you after you build them. John is is slang for thing, by the way I realized that I a might be from philly with the listener might not be from. Philadelphia. So they're like, what is the John It's thing. You can He's great. Pain them. They look beautiful. I've seen pictures of them before online and yeah he's just an avid commenter on social media polls. So that's one to show Jackson. Love you. Just he's always got a great attitude in the comments and I like we share and I've had the pleasure of meeting in person back in Pennsylvania, and he's a cool. Dude so shout out Jack. Thank you so much for always commenting contribute to the show because that stuff really matters. You know like a big portion of the pie is all bath at lake? Maine like total the episode discussions of the commenters Y'all are like, what really makes that segment what it is a thank you very very much and specifically thank you to Jack So. Yeah. 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Aright fan you clicked on this episode because you just love full by laughs and you're in it to win it with all our goofs and games and grubs or this maybe your first time listening maybe you're in and out, listen depending on the topic will topic. Is Favourite breakfast, and now more delays. Let's get into it. I ran a poll on facebook and I asked the people. What's your favorite breakfast and why end? Needless to say. We got plenty of comments people like breakfast people eat breakfast it matters. To humans in the fabric of their life so They had things to say about it and I'm going to repeat those things. And I'm GonNa comment on them and I'm also going to spring win some opinions. That I have as well. So bowser there do let's get into it. Our first comment tour is. Vicky from West Norton Pennsylvania. What is up? Vicky. Thank you so much for always rain is great to hear from you once again. Vicky says. To. The question what's your favorite referenced and why she says a buffet because all breakfast foods are amazing and who would ever want to choose. It's a great point. Yeah I mean. You know breakfast a lot of people think is the most important meal of the day. Those people probably wake up hungry? You know I mean to be a intermittent fasting boy you know an ISP and I've been skipping breakfast but. I don't skip. The the food. Now what does that mean? It doesn't make any sense, right? When Brown for you For Dinner I had me breakfast sandwich. At home by then needed a breakfast time summum saying there. So we're focusing on like breakfast foods. Of course, you don't have to necessarily eat them in a m that's wouldn't pretty or probably eaten them but. Just. Saying. People say breakfast is the most important meal. They feel you just got eat the second wake up it's like yeah Bro. Why don't you not approach food like you're a chain smoker, you know saying? Hey I used to be about that life. He's the wake up I. Usually three breakfasts is day I, wake up. For High School eat breakfast before love the house then I would meet up with my friends and we would drive to vocational high school eater breath. Is there an after vocational high school before going real high school stop for a McDonald's preface try to get it in before eleven o'clock because you know I'm a boomer but. Now. I'm Joe I'm showing my age. There is cut off for McDonald's roughest. Vicki thanks so much for your comment. You're definitely right. Why Choose? Well, we're GONNA choose for the purposes debate here on the show but I'm with you breakfast buffet you get it all. That's the beauty of a BA- thick. All right who we got next weekend next, we got Calvin from Lancaster Pennsylvania. What is up Calvin? He says. I can no longer eat it because it involves eggs over easy but Sausage, gravy home fries, and over easy eggs specifically from joint in South Philly. Amy's or something many tags somebody trying get the name of the place on see if we can. Get, Amy's so. If you were in South Jersey Look maimings. They apparently have a great sausage gravy over home fries with anxiety breezy a Lotta over over over easy over home fries lots of you know tumbling over one another with these ingredients. Also ally of. Liquids and Running nece you know the gravy we are over easy bangs. A little little soupy. Kinda like. You know like you can luebbe up your butthole before you eat Mexican, but it's not necessary. Isn't everybody will get along that party will be sailing I'm sure the gravy with the over easy eggs they meld perfectly and. You know. They work together just as well as my nasty analogy. But I've never had it. I've never dived into the and they're really gravy for breakfast. That's A. An interesting approach, I guess. I. I've always had the mental block of having a brown sauce for dinner only and you know what? That is me revealing my my privilege in my ignorance. So I just all foods. Should be whenever the hell you want. You know that's America. Calvin thank you so much for your comment will weather. There was a lot of replies to Kevin's question on where that restaurant was We Got Jack for Really Park Pennsylvania was of jagged the hear from you. Let's see what you have to say he says, I'm basic guy eggs, any style and Bacon I like Turkey Bacon, but I prefer baking. And Yeah I'm with you on that Dude I. I've Turkey Bacon before but is you know? Can't beat the real thing. You know what I mean it's like. They've made a lot of. Vance. In the adult toy industry, but it's like you know. Come on now. We. It's still just Turkey, Bacon. You know what I mean like it's not as not real. Thank. By. Jack's totally right. You Know Bacon is just is just the absolute goat. You know it's just totally goaded and. Do. You know what you know what I love about banking. I Lake that it's one of it's probably the only food. That people eat. Too like distinct different ways like you're either a crispy bacon person right where you WanNa really well done or your light and. Light Cook that began I want late Shui as all hell. And you also interesting is. Both of those camps of Bacon people don't really hate on each other they're like. Yeah I don't eat it that way, but I would eat it that way because I love. Bacon and we're still part of the Bacon Party I wish more. Fans of food groups or things had the same harmony as Bacon lovers you know what I mean. Because there you know somebody that takes milk and cream and sugar in their coffee will not bring a black analyzed I don't they can't even like empathize with people. And Vice. Versa. You know what? I mean you spill any of those things in my coffee on just lake. What are you like a like a like a traitor to the country? At here I can't even I guess I'll just have a caffeine headache I can't handle Latte Feel some other foods that are really divided on how you take it. You know but but Bacon, I feel like even no matter how you like it everybody's of show with each other but just cool good won't get on you Bake Bros and. Not Trying to I'm, not trying to gender all y'all. Jack. Thank you so much for your comment. We got none Dan from Woods Town New Jersey was up Dan. He says Pork Roll AG N Cheese Sandwich on a Kaiser Dan Dan Dan I know it says you're from New Jersey but that is the most philly sandwich I've ever heard. The Jesus is the only thing that can dethrone that Sami Holy Crap, pork roll egg, and cheese on A. Roll like a Bagel, the Kaiser. Yeah, that is that takes me back to. I have one is so long and I get it. I mean I. Guess the most breakfast. Food from philly would be scrambled but that is the most breakfast sandwich for sure he had the poor girl on the Kaiser just fill fire so hard. But yeah, does true. Yeah I like that Sandwich I. To say why keep saying Yeah Dan. Thank you so much for the statue I'm just like in my mind in the past being like I S. The pork roll egg and cheese what. The electrician's grabbed from the warming Wa wa no matter how many they grab. They will still hold the door for you. You know. This is in my mind remembering my youth. Ziya lost all they're saying Mommy Mommy. All right. Let's keep a rock and roll and Dan Thank you so much for your comment. We have Kevin From Glass Borough New Jersey what is up Kevin? He says, eggs benedict is my favorite, but it's hard to make. Well, that is very true I have never even Oh, actually I was about to say I've never attempted to make at home. But that's true. I actually invented my own variation of eggs benedict where it was like toast pumpkin butter. Saute garlic sauteed, Kale and then. I think it was eggs over easy. But I've never done a true benedict where it's a poached egg like I don't even know where to begin on how to make approach Dang. So even though I had like my take. On the eggs benedict. It was its own. Scenario you know what I mean like name that on the menu just so people knew. Where to start on how to think about the construction of that dish but it was a whole other John. But yeah, I mean mandate is probably my number. One thing to eat out if I'm going to have like a breakfast or brunch scenario because it is a pain, the booty you know. It's a pimple on your cheek and you're trying to sit down. IF YOU WANNA make that at home. It's not comfortable. It's not easy now if you are. Working in the food industry, your chef Aronie. Prior not a big deal for you but for US commoners. Eggs Benedict is limited up. You know that's that's some legitimate. So Kevin Thank you so much for your comment. All, right. Let's keep rocking and rolling. Travis Travis firm NYC was up travis. He says. I'm pretty sure if I don't say B. E. C. With salt pepper hot sauce some angry new, Yorkers will show up at my door and escalate things. So for my own health I'LL SAY BE With salt. Pepper Hassles Jeff Hell cake. Who is a drag? Travis represents in these forms Jeff Hell Kite has a full English family for breakfast every day not to be confused with the more popular and less homicidal full English breakfast. Jeff. He's he's he's starting today. Reich in the line of energy in an entire English family. Chow is that common rules? Those very smart. Thank you. But Yeah I mean I think you're right I'm assuming BBC's Dancer Bacon. Egg and cheese I can't imagine what it would stand for in this context. You know. Young I don't WanNa. Say the other things I'm thinking of. There's a lot of naughty words to begin with B ENC but. Begging. Egg and cheese is definitely a classic I've never fucked with the The hot sauce on their salt and pepper for sure but Yeah you can't wrong begging Jeez even my bro- and not just my friend my brother bought my blood He very picky eater but even I one day was like I'll do this for you. Take you this place if you just try beginning and cheese sandwich and he's like, okay, try he's like this is insane. This is so good. So now it's like one of three things eat it's like you know he eats like Rahman, excuse me. Mac and cheese he's Rama noodles. You know like instant pack and he's like tenders. Obviously, if you count the amount of things you eat on your hand on one hand chicken. Chicken fingers or nuggets or one of the five four. And They can hanging cheese made the list says So my change now, I haven't checked in on his BBC. Affinity but. It was at one point in our lives. Travis thank you so much for your comment man that was Super Fun and you definitely rented busy. A big I who began Alex from Magnolia New Jersey what is up Alex? He says I'm a simple man. Aches over medium Bacon hashbrowns shredded in crispy toasted playing Bagel with cream cheese coffee ice water. That's breakfast to me. If I feel like going nuts out a small stack of Blueberry pancakes. Allies you're killing me man. Did. I. There's nothing better than me like I'm a simple man just like a simple breakfast. I. Like you know eggs, Bacon Hash, browns, coffee bagel cream cheese water. You know the newspaper you know my wife just wearing an apron I want the Dow Jones to be up. I want my heart rate to be down. Long Lists Dude. It was if you were. When you with a simple man, I thought your be like cereal sometimes with milk. That would have been some simple nece but. Now I mean, you hit off fronts I. Mean I feel you're saying when you say simple it's you know. Eggs cooked. Meeting. Way Not. Poached. Scrambled just like put them in the Pan, let them cook for a second take him out. You know Bacon I want some potatoes just a plain BAGEL be fancy. Don't need an everything don't need you know a English muffin perhaps So yeah, I agree that all the items in your standard breakfast or very attainable and not the most exotic versions of themselves. So I feel I feel what you're saying when you come simple but it's fun the rest for a second on that list was. I do love that. Considering how long your list is. If you're like I'm feeling a little bit of Hungary I'll add a whole stack of pancakes. You did say small stack though now Lars Lars Zone. That's that's the zone breakfast ultra for sure for sure But Yeah and do your do your breakfast reminds me of this John Again. That's thing This John. I used to get back home all time. So I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia in Delaware County. Become kind of infamous on the interwebs if you if you dig deep enough into Philly ask things and there's this town Brookhaven. Edge of Delaware County is really close to the border of P. A. in Delaware and there's this diner. Tom Jones it's twenty four hours literally never closes as one of the last establishments delay. Let you smoke inside before all that change and stuff and This is known for being like dirt cheap ly, you can just insanely cheap meal and that was my go-to hang out spot when I was like before I was twenty one, I can go bar that's where we would hang out those open. All night is cheap to hang out there because the on the menu like very cheap But even after the fact, that was the spot after the bar that was a spot after they hanging on a house party that was like the meet up spot and. Their main John the main jam was the Blue Ribbon special now. I was hitting the blue ribbon pretty hard from two thousand three. To Two thousand eight I would say so like basically the middle of two thousand. So like a decade ago plus like twelve to. Seventeen years ago. Okay. This is a long time ago. That really accurate Davis okay. Mama Geezer Dog. Anyway. blue-ribbon special is what you again, the government special two bags. Any style I ordered a because I got memorized to exile to Bacon two sausage get double me choose between sausage and Bacon. That's that's already a huge bonus but secret tech donate the sausage. Is Not. Good for you. You will never again it's it's made of iron but in any case. To exiting style to Bacon two sausage two pancakes to Pisa Toast Unlimited coffee or tea end your choice of juice. For the. Price. To seventy nine. To seventy nine. I remember I remember going back to the Tom Jones in like two thousand twelve and they had they had raised the price of the blue ribbon to like to ninety nine I'm like bothers places done now. Can't come here is expensive. Man I remember going recently like maybe twenty, fifteen I recently. But in my lifetime, maybe twenty, fifteen, twenty, fourteen I. Think it finally at creeped to three, ninety nine and I'm like. I'm white. You're telling me this entire breakfast. Plus tax plus tip is going to be over five dollars. This is an outrage, a key I can't even here anymore. But. I mean when you had the two seventy nine for a decade it was a rough change. I'M NOT GONNA lie but yeah. Yeah I mean tax and tip four dollars unlimited coffee can hang out for hours, smoke cigarettes and stuff it was awesome. Did it was the place to be? The, hang out I would go there and sit at the counter knowing the people that I just knew in the county would show up and get them because. You realize like back van leg. You know you didn't text people you know like they didn't. Facebook was just at select colleges so far you know what I mean like you. You weren't even allowed on in in general let on your parents and. It was t nine texting at best depending on your rates. You know. So it's like. I wasn't gonNA. Wait till nine to call someone semi minutes were free. I'll just go to TJ's eight o'clock host somebody meals rolls through buying thirty you know. Yemen Tom Jones do place ruled. A Alex thank you so much for taking me down memory talking about your simple banging breakfast. I always appreciate you comment in the threads. Are We got greg from Philadelphia Pennsylvania? WHAT IS UP GREG? He says. He will say something. Sorry. Take a little pause for myself. They're. All Right Greg from Philadelphia Pennsylvania. He says over easy eggs, potatoes, toast, Bacon, and coffee. Evergreen timeless when I am feeling particularly daring and want to nap the afternoon away. French toast with a side of hand honeycomb and luckily charms also acceptable. I do like the Greg gave. The serial alternatives 'cause yet. To Five I can't I can't imagine Alexandra making that full s Monday through Friday he might be hitting the the LLC's on those days and that's like a big. You know Sunday Brunch at home but. I mean if he's if he's hitting that every day, he's living the life out but any case saved Greg if he's living the life to if he's got oversee eggs, potatoes, toast bacon coffee every morning. That's. Awesome. And he's rights is saying the same vibe to to Alex you know. They're timeless that lineup but I do I do like Greg. Has version of if he has nothing to do if he's willing to just nap the afternoon away. It's a good point I mean your branches food. I it's definitely dictated by your agenda for you know what's on the calendar? Can can you just hit the pancakes hard and Binge Watch? TV The rest of the day because if he can't. You might need that pork roll in egg and cheese to get up that ladder science Greg thank you so much for your comment. Are You roll on? We Got Mike from south. He says. He says your mom. We haven't been your MOM's here in a long time but I guess I don't know. Mike I feel like you should at least a Bagel to if you're going to eat locks in the morning so. I hope that going on but yeah. That's probably only pieces missing from your breakfast. You definitely got the locks probably got the cream cheese. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know if it's a brand from me or my mom. Let's keep it going. We Guy Jack from Port Richmond Pennsylvania was up Jack. He's out. It's incorrect. Sorry. He's from Port Richmond Philadelphia Pennsylvania and this integral part, there's no city there might be but that's as a you know. A vast estate have not covered all the butt naked. Jack The neighborhood of Port Richmond in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. He says simple eggs, potato, some kind of me. A grapefruit, a bloody Mary, plus toast and coffee. Yemen the simple the simple things in life. The simple breakfast of nine to set to thirteen items at the table seems to be the winner so far. In the breakfast poll. He does highlight something that the other guys didn't really get to. They mentioned it a little bit. Sorry something just turned on like a horrific buzz. Okay. Here's the buzz buzzers itself away see if we can make that happen. All right. Well, my best cut the dead air has hit the refrigerator. A COUPLE OF TIMES my new set up here, I'm like kind of like in the middle of my one big room here and The fridge just felt like in the podcast this week. So we'll see we'll see how well comes through on the the wavelengths in your years. What was a saying? What was all right? Jack Timeout. Simple eggs. Grape. Oh Yeah. Okay. How he highlights the bloody Mary and the coffee kind gets me going where it's like breakfast is the only The only meal where it's acceptable to have four drinks at once rain, you can have your coffee, your water, your juice, your cocktail, Lino naming Lang. There's the you with belie looked like a psychopath. If you had that many drinks dinner, you know naming different kinds of drinks you compound that any beers problem some people would be impressed and happy that that's how you like to roll but. Yet, that many varieties of drinks is the. The breakfast news for share for sure. Jack Thank you so much for your comment. Is. Keeping Rock and roll. We have so many comments. So we'll try and get through as many as we can can. We Got Jessica from Philadelphia Pennsylvania was Jessica. She says your boy benedict king of the eggs one time I had it at the corner table inside park with a Mimosa and real strong coffee and I was pretty sure I could die happy forever in that moment. Dang. That Sounds Amazing Jessica. That's totally true. I've been that restaurant park is blue G. Yeah. It's nice. I was there once no there for Brunch can't remember got the Bennies but did have I probably do I love me some. I remember being very good and very fancy. To put things in perspective for anyone who hasn't seen it or been there. A long like it's our show on the corner and it has all these small two person tables outside and they all you sit facing the park across the street in. This is fancy. The places when you sit at a table for to your chairs aren't even positioned to look at each other you were there to enjoy the ambiance you know. that's how that's how boozy Parkas So yeah I probably have some of the best Benny's in Philadelphia for sure I would not be surprised. And I'm you, Jesse you'RE GONNA eat out especially, eat brunch like that. I probably went benny to it's just been a long time. I can't remember exactly what I got. So just go. Thank you so much for sharing is totally true. Let's see. Do we have Tanya from Cherry Hill New Jersey? WHAT IS UP TANYA? She says to sunny signed up eggs with grits and butter and saw so warm in. Delicious. Okay. I'm feeling it. I I chat out for grits. On the on the poll here. So glad grits Gossen Law Grizz are very tasty So grits. And breakfast deaf I mean. For me, I, can't hear the to not think about the movie, My cousin Vinny. So that's a a some good stuff right there. You know 'cause they they decided that word breakfast lunch dinner and Benoni Grit was this good stuff look at that movie holds up. But let's see. What else did you get? Butter saw a seems great side up I like Sunnyside of ex I'm a fan. I'll eat them that way I, think my main way that I would get. Probably. Over easy because I like the running by, don't know if I want them that. So. He thought a little raw for me. You know what I mean. It feels like not complete. You know. It's like. It's like if a body shop just painted half your car you know can we just at least? Dust. The other side. Ernie mean like it's A. It's like, Hey, we tightened all the screws on the left half. It's like, okay cool. Some of the right to I mean, maybe to make it s tight. You know but I see the regain a lot of strength from what you did on the left, but it wants to give it a little tap of some stuff. That's how I I think that's why I'm like an over easy avaricious a sunny sag guy but that's just me maybe. Maybe I'm being a full made me I'm that person keeps getting medium steak. I just need to make the leap to medium rare. You know. So maybe I gotta go sunnyside we'll say. I don't know when the next time it is I'm going to. Be doing that. Really like that anymore, I'm so bad at those kind of perishables for groceries like I. Need Groceries. It lasts like a week for sure I know eggs could but I live by myself. Now I don't know if I crush a dozen eggs like that quickly I guess they last longer than week. Anyway, this is not. A conversation need to have out loud on the PODCASTS I'll talk to myself about it later. Tanya. Thank you so much for your comment We have rich from fish town and. Philly Pennsylvania, I can't even talk the sunnyside just gummy all twisted. Rich for fish down in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. What is up? He says country fried steak because if you don't want steak for breakfast, you ain't American. Okay. Okay. Yeah I mean. Not really has staked for Refahs, but having steak for definitely feels American that's for sure you know. At that point you basically got the whole barnyard you know naming you given your taking the unborn children of the of the chickens. You're just cutting a pound of flesh like off off a cow and you're the merchant of Venice you know you you're just like. You're just ripping slices of the booty off a pig. I. That is a that is a savage way to start the day. You know what? I'm saying you're ready. You're ready to close some deals and make some sales with that kind of breakfast. So yes, that's American dude I'm with you read that sounds very American to me for Sherp Rich. Thank you so much for your comment. We have Bernie from a Barnett New Jersey home of saying that right and there are heard that town before. So thank you Bernie for right in. He says full Scottish or English breakfast. It literally has everything on the plate and has a lot of the stout for my family in Glasgow and trips to the Scottish butcher sausage and black pudding with `tatoes scones is where it's at. Bernie. I'M GONNA. Believe man I'll I'll hop on board. A. A Bernie from Barney Gabrielle I'm with it I feel it. You know the guys talking about the simple breakfast earlier I feel like the full breakfast the another just probably two steps away. Get it all in, get it all in and out of the way of breakfasts. Feel that And I feel like the nostalgia heritage thing. I. Once went to leg Irish restaurant in Delaware County with my family and they had like a traditional full Irish breakfast. Now is very good. it was basically like. You know you got eight different items on your plate and it was like you know French fries mashed potatoes, baked potato, some sweet potato Now. Valley very wack. If it was literally like nine variations of potato. No actually very sausage forward. There were like three different types of sausage on there. But it was very tasty and it was not all potatoes. Bernie thank you so much for your common those super, Bowl. Let's see. Here we got. We got. We Got Josh from you from Josh. Where are you from parts unknown I don't believe I don't believe you prospect park. There we go. I found you do all Joshua from prospect park in Pennsylvania was up he says doughnuts and coffee I swear I'm not a cop. That's true. It's very. It's funny. Now moving to Los Angeles I totally get the whole trope of cops eating doughnuts time is that was like something just didn't exist really happen in Philadelphia but like Doughnuts are like a very basic novelty like their. Nowadays, these things are different but growing up there is like sometimes at Dunkin donuts and it's like you just get done hold a treat for songs birthday it was not like regular part of people's situation but donuts are very common in. La like I like just riding around or like sworn new places. There's like a don't. There's. There's like a place dedicated to selling doughnuts in like every neighborhood like usually more than one in every neighborhood. It's it's like the frequency that in like the. East Coast that you might see like mom and pop pizza shops is how often there's donut shops in la? So you figure like all TV show writers or rain TV shows. There's around by that I think makes it until a simpsons and whatnot But yeah. Don't coffee can't go wrong the sweet and bitter Combo for sure It's light fast on the go everything's finger food you'll need a play only the wash dishes probably so. Yeah I feel that that is a simple breakfast. Thank you josh for your comment and. Let's see we jam. I you join the same because we're going long. We'll do one more. We'll do Omar. We'll do Max Max from Berlin. Pennsylvania and that's not right Berwick. Somehow is match from Germany now Max from Berlin Pennsylvania. He says. Pork role. Can Be expanded as a sandwich. With eggs. Preferably sunny side up over medium. Plus Cheddar cheese on a Bagel with spicy mustard well. Also great with the side of Waffles were paying gays or any other inferior breakfast food. A love. It did I love how? I love probably option to expand the sandwich add waffles. This not a side of Hash browns or you know toast it's. Let's get waffles in the next. Atkins would be losing his mind if he was talking to Max Right now about dieting. True Man I mean why not just live life hard and fast you know a level, the condiments analysts sandwich right? You got. You got the spicy mustard you got the cheddar cheese. 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I was talking about if you if you had any doubts that this was an improvised podcast I mean I'm not playing what you that was not. Was Not timed I. Didn't was like, yes. I can't wait for her to come on it interrupts. I could cut out but I think that's what makes you know. I like the podcast. It'd be a cast iron pan with each recording. You know you get that seasoning from the from the meal before you know you start you start building this profile flavor. That's what we're trying to go for here. Anyway ambiguity that's the. Logical Fallacy. that we're covering this week and here's your logical Faouzi is dot com definition and example they say ambiguity using double meanings or ambiguous. Language to mislead or misrepresent the truth. Here's their example when the judge asked the defendant why he hadn't paid his parking fines, he said that he shouldn't have to pay them because the sign said fine for parking here, and so he naturally presumed it would be finds a park here while. Yes I mean. This is this is this is a logical fallacy I think like on a surface. Also great comedic example there as one that I think. When you pull it into the realm of comedy, and that's why we do these on the podcast because like all the thousands and viruses are like great. Resources to leverage for jokes But they're also things that charlatans leverage to take advantage of you or like politicians and stuff. So. It's good to just educate ourselves on them. In ambiguity one if you pull it out into the extreme, it's so easy identify right and you've is not put out to the extreme. There's Times. Where someone? That's a little? Someone that's not as mature as you tries to argue with you. You'll see them do this united though pull some some bs like this on you buy. It doesn't mean that doesn't get pulled on you. Still you know somebody on a higher wrong of nonsense. might might still a hit you with the ambiguity you know And I feel like the way it gets used. Insidiously is like when someone this is, this is a habit that I've had to learn to break over the years. Is like ten years ago I was. Exceptional at always speaking with qualified language. So, I would be like instead of saying I can do that I would say I. Think. I. Can do that. Even better it'd be like, yeah, I should be able to do that. and. Then if I didn't, I'd be like why never said I could that I should be able to but then this thing happened so like you can't really hold me by what I said you know right that Kinda nonsense. I. Mean I wasn't trying to play people but I would I, would speak like that as kind of before of protection. If somebody when the grew me, if something went wrong outside of my control that was innocent way of like. You now, twisting my own words to to. Have the like I thought it was fine to park here defense later but. Other people could end up doing that. To you if you're not clear and this is the thing that like you know basically. Gets Rail road all the time in law. You know like if there's if there's a rule on the books, there's not crystal clear. You better believe if people are going to try and use it and make him. Interpret. It to their advantage, right. So that's where this ends up happening a lot and it's like. It's good to call people album that, and that's what it ends up being a lot of the stuff you know when? When when judges are trying to interpret the law, they're trying to like not fall into the trap and be like. All right. Obviously, the the meant to intend that the parking sinement. Hey, you're gonNA get fined if you park here, you know. So it says in that stuff out but anyway. That's ambiguity as logical fallacy of hopefully reminds you something in your life or you'll learn something and connect with it and go to your logical fallacy that is. Excuse me excuse me that's the wrong website. Don't go to that website that might be like that my downloaded virus who knows what that website as illegal don't go there go to your logical valves. The IS DOT COM and learn more about these to. All right are content creators shat out this week. I am very excited about. I might have talked about it already on past episodes I just can't remember I. WanNa. Talk about it again because it's just so awesome and I'm hype is on this particular episodes feel like a lot of people care about breakfast. Hopefully, you're still listening to the PODCAST. And we like to shout out content creators because you know I'm creating content just won't pay it forward. and. Funny enough. This thing about to promote I found out about it because another content creator recommended it. So that's that's the power of the segment. Right? You'RE GONNA learn about your next favorite thing right now. I'm talking about the Youtube Channel All gas. No brakes now. If you know what this is already you're like, yes, I can go back and check out some of Brian's other recommendations because now I know he's credible. If you've not heard of August new brakes, you have my blessing to literally turn off the podcast right now go straight to youtube and watch the videos is VAC good. It is at the time of me recording this podcast episode. All Gas embraces only been around for about a year. Already has I think millions of subscribers only just actually check it's actual count right now y live while I when I can tell you the truth. The truth is out there. It's literally key strokes away So August new brakes. What is it is at one point, one, four, million subscribers the only twenty videos to date. They put out a bow of the sometimes two-month these are put out to and they were shorter but now it's like a month in there longer. And It's just interviews. This description is interviews from the road by Andrew Callahan and I've listened to him in a few. Interviews with our podcast and stuff, and basically he lives fulltime in an RV with his two best friends and they just ride around the country looking. For interesting events in interesting people and they just do street interviews with them it's basically twenty twenty Gonzo journalism because. What makes it so brilliant is that he big cover events and times in history. Without, an agenda because they're not. Their purpose is just to show the ridiculousness and to show people how are so most of the videos. End Up being wildly hilarious, right because lot of people they end up talking to or feel talking to them pretty Kooky but it is a nice window into. Like ally these goofy can see theorists or you know people that are die hard for certain political candidates. You might be like, how could anyone ever vote for that person this show on youtube all gas race. A It really does give you way you know. A nice stage to see who these types of people are and what their event they're into what they believe and all that stuff, and yet the does are incredibly funny are intended to be funny like they purposely cut them that way but I mean these the crew really does care about certain issues and certain things and they know when to Lake Dial back being purposely funny. They have a video about lake The Minneapolis protests and the Portland protests and they're just exceptional journalism. They're like boots on the ground interviewing like looters inter viewing anarchists interviewing like community members, and there's funny moments. You're silly moments being like all. Wow like these Hanukkah sweaters or like the only thing in the store that digging eluded rights says like finding it'd be like you know people don't want when they're free. Right but there's a lot of Lake legit journalism there to youth learn about different. Parcel worlds and communities is you know it's so easy in our social media bubbles to like forget. That there's a lot of different cultures out there. A lot of different pockets of the country. So it's fantastic I watched some of my favorite videos over and over again all time maybe like once a week at least probably the corona virus protest video is unbelievably good. The July fourth video was unbelievably good and it is no joke. It is August no breaks. I have to pause the video to give myself time to laugh before like the next crazy thing comes on the camera. So it is. It's a treat if you've not checked out this channel, yet it is. It's a banger. You gotTA check it out. All gas no brace on Youtube links in the show notes, check them out or if you scroll down on this web page Phyllis on on the website. Links there but just just search. August race on Youtube and you find it. Food. Holidays happen. Every day. Of, the he here and I try and try to tell you about them. But I don't know if you hear about the food ha the days about food. Days Mount them food. Barner. Barrel. That thing you do in the next day that's John that's a classic song and a fun movie But yeah, we like to sing it off on the segment. It's the food holiday recap. Let's go. There's another dollar at least every day we talk about at full by dot com usually be reading about them and watching them. We have a thirty second video that comes out every day and Just. A couple of paragraphs. It's silly. It's fun. We'll take you. If you miss misery, start your day with a smile check out the food holidays. I'll give you a little preview to came that you might have missed out on that. We're in my opinion. Delightful. So we had national filet, Mignon, day, and. Mean flaming yawn. is the ultimate cut a beef. Now, I'm not talking about someone from their six hundred pound life farting okay I'm talking about. Slice of flesh from a cow it is coveted. You know would have been the eleventh commandment by eleven sounds weird in have room on the tablets. Okay. It is. The cut that people want. And we talk about that. Last Dot Com we celebrate that another one that came out this week vanilla custard bay right. Now custard it's a great desert but. Your wrists better be in shape your elbow better. Be Ready to rock and roll and move because you're gonNA have to do some savage whiskey business. If you WANNA make vanilla custard from scratch. Okay. Lie You better you better treat that whisk that bowl like you need that polaroid developed now. Okay. Like you got a gun to your head and you're like I'm trying to show you. Talk like that it'd be a little weird. But you know. We discussed that we dive that full belly last dot com just go to the category food holidays. It should be in the main navigation and you can just check out whatever holiday it is today scroll through the mall but you know if you don't like scrolling if you like doing lot clicking fetus wanted delivered to you on the daily sign up for that email list and check the box for daily food holidays or daily content and You can start your day off with a smile get a special message about that day's food holiday. Don't take you straight to that quick article, video? It's easy. peasy. So as the way to go full by DOT COM slash sign up. All Right Vam. Is that time in the program, we're GONNA wind things now we've. We're going long. Good time so I hope you you've been enjoying it. Who Cares sometimes you know Sometimes, you thought you were going to leave at a certain time. Then he got chat in at the door when you put your shoes back on and it's was another twenty minutes who cares is twenty minutes were fantastic. So that's in the zone were in now, but we do have to leave at some point. I'll make sure. That we go our separate ways get back to our lives. But before we get an here, we got to play a game. So we're GONNA play super fight how this game works STU cards. One deck is a characters the other deck modifiers going to draw one from each end. Debate on who would win in a fight. So let's get a going. Our first character tar is. A cat cat. Cat. With this cat what's happening with this cat the cat. Wants to say draw and play to Raynham attributes deck. Oh okay. So this cat is GonNa have to things tash us as as the cat is ten stories tall. And when else in invisible Ms Read that fuzz that. This is a very, this is GonNa be a very short debate. Might still be but we'll see we'll see. All right. So the ten story tall invisible cat is battling secrecy is battling. An emperor penguin an emperor penguin. At. First I, read that I was like, I don't remember the Emperor Penguin Dynasty was he from? What's going on Emperor Penguin. Lizzy here. King only be killed by beheading kind. All right well. I think the emperor penguins. Achilles heels situation with the decapitation. Not, going to be an issue for a cat, they like to go for the neck anyway when they're like, you know turning their their prey into like a little play doll type of deal. So. That's that's natural instincts for the cat actually might be a downfall for the emperor penguin that is vulnerable to gains captain. Also. Now. Actually a conundrum here. The cat is ten stories tall. The cat is going to have to have some incredible precision. End Wherewithal to know to just nibble the head of this penguin off. You know what I mean. 'cause if the caveat swallows this thing hol, now you have a whole Pinocchio situation on your hands the emperor penguins going to survive the cat stomach acid is going to go when they're just start punching its stomach. Create Issues Tummy troubles you know the whole time is going through the bowels. It's just like pulling at things and peak poking it and. Possibly create internal bleeding definitely creating wanted discomfort and. I think the penguins eventually GonNa pass through maybe even burst through if it's strong enough. And Kill and defeat ten story. Talk Cat. Now, what's really interesting what I love about this scenario if we go full Pinocchio with the Emperor Penguin is we get to see the whole thing on full because the cat is invisible. So we get to watch the you know the penguin slide through the organs colleague like it's that weird serum you have to take doctors before you know you go into surgery or get an x ray or something right? So that's kind of Cool I. You know scientists are probably going to really hope the cat swallows this penguin home they can study. The inner workings of a ten story tall invisible cat. So. I think. I think the Emperor Penguin. I might be advantaged but the number of penguins only advantage if the cat. Bob Acts to gingerly you know. If it doesn't. It doesn't reserve itself if it doesn't strike fully and swallow whole tangling, it depends on this things habit. You know it's Kinda like most humans. Just pop the whole gummy bear in their mouth. There's only a select few that liked to decapitate. The gummy bears to buy off a piece of gummy bear enjoy that piece and then have the rest is this cat. Back kind of gummy bear consumer I don't know. But that's the real question is going to determine this battle and quite frankly I think most cats are not that. Especially after ten stories tall when you're dealing with something that much smaller than them. So I think the Emperor Penguins GonNa, take this down I'm giving it. To the Emperor Penguins Congratulations, Emperor Penguin, you move on to know whether additional rounds you just use win this round and It means nothing but it was fun to talk about you and I appreciate both of you can penguin for being here. Thank you very much. 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The Quarantine Sessions Vol7 - Ep404

Decibel Geek Podcast

1:35:51 hr | 5 months ago

The Quarantine Sessions Vol7 - Ep404

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Basically what we're doing is we can't hang out together so Chris is at his house. I'm at my house. We have a special guest good of the show on with us and we go through an answer listener questions and man. You guys have been so good about this so awesome with the questions. I mean seven weeks and I'm seeing great questions in the list today. We're GONNA have a lot of fun talking about a lot of different things in the world. The Hard Rock and Metal Music. But you know us also we gotta take care of our business before we get to all that and our business is I tunes reviews. Pod chaser reviews facebook recommendations. Whatever you WANNA do you don't pay us. We do this show for free. So here's a perfect example of that. We have such a great one last week. I doubt the challenge and I said who who is going to top this while our main man David Kathy. Our good friend are Rockin pod but from right here Nashville right now. Yeah our homeboy. Even he's left us an amazing review. It's called your fixed for all things rock and metal it's five stars and here it is. Hey people if you're in the hard rock and heavy metal and looking for that one. Podcasts that gives you everything then look no further than Decibel Geek. Chris and Aaron have been giving podcasting world some of the greatest episodes. They know their stuff inside and out. So if you're looking for that podcast this is the one great interviews lots of laughs timeless news and some album reviews and hell they might even teach you something you didn't know with new noise. It's always an adventure in the world of Rock and metal and Christened Erin will give you what you want. They are top notch and they're also pretty cool guys. I have to say so myself. So come on join Chris and Aaron and Decibel Geek. You WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED. Two in a row man. Those are fantastic David. Kathy you are the coolest dude very nice. I appreciate that. David always good to see you at Rockin. Pot every Aaron Hopefully we'll see you in twenty twenty one at the kiss concerts and at the ace freely shows and everything cool. That happens in Nashville. Those are the times we get to. Hang Out David Kathy. Yeah that's great review. Thanks so much. Keep them coming us. We really appreciate the reviews a lot and was like that. Just kind of blow me away in the fact that we've been doing this so long and we've made such great friends over the years and now we're able to have friends on his guests on the quarantine and it's cool so if you WANNA leave us a review were recommendation. Try to top that I dare you. Oh man quarantine sessions. They've been great. People have been dating it. They dug last week show. It was a big tie in the beat. The Geek contest and Baca was the man he stood right up to you and people loved him people talking about quarantine sessions. Yeah we'll have in a lot more feedback this past week than we had before so it seems like it's a keeper of the quarantine as we had the issue with spotify a couple of months ago we had talked about kind of shifting the way we do things into more of a more of a talk about music rather than music stuff and this whole quarantine thing had to just forced our Handan with sort of adapted to it. And you know there's some other things we're GONNA try out as we go forward but I think it's it's worked out pretty well. You know. It's definitely a different type of show them what we used to do. But I'm having a lot of fun with it too and a lot of people are enjoying it and the people especially enjoy episode with our Good Buddy. Baako from covers and fire. They went out. They shared it. They re tweeted. That's why they are Geeks of the week. Yeah Gigs Loic this Waker Carlos in recasts the. Abc's Iraq podcast. Joseph Capone Mike Watkins Watkinson spend Majo- Scott Crafts. Trevor McDougal Bach overs and fire. Podcast Kristen Shimba Shea. Target James mcilhenny. Aaron Martell Jeffrey men home Mark Alden Taylor Free Form Rock podcast James West Todd Cunningham Simon Cat Christopher stokes creditig Mikhail Burrell Mike Parnell. Gino aims matt ashraf kenneth roy aaron baker steve bill elam jeff taylor and mesto aguilar stephen michael j. j. mack david kathy and as always the mugabe fuyu right. Those are all are great friends right there. The people who love the desk Geek podcast and just can't wait. Tell all their friends about what's going on over here you know. It's pretty cool to look this list and see not only did covers and fire podcasts. Share it and not only did Baako. Share it Steve shared it. But you know he didn't share it our guest this week the one and only loose cannon. Hello there let's going on buddy. I'm doing excellent. Thank you for asking and thanks for the invite on the show thrilled to be here very cool. It's awesome to have you on. Yes yes I know if you recall this but about four years ago on my travels from Florida to Denver. We actually planned to do in this in person but then I was blocked by the traffic of Coachella and the country music festival day you mean Bonnaroo whatever induce bags all around sure. It's tough anyway. I'm not known for facts. Just generalities fact bastard correct. That's correct but yeah man on the show happy to hear. Cpr Boko on on it. I I I let them go. I mostly because his ego so now here I am very. We're going to answer a lot of listener questions. We've got a whole bunch of good ones. Get Rolling Let's see let me scroll on down to the question section. We'll Iraq in here on ice. We got we got some from instagram. Again YEP START. Get more on there all right. That's cool. I know people dig instagram metal. Mike he swears by it. All right first one question right off the bat. It comes to us from Byron Chambers. He wants to know which lyric is worse. The one gene is always harassed for. I want to get on your case a logging. Your fireplace or Paul's that never is mentioned. Love is sweet so insane. Come on Lick my candy cane. I feel awkward. Just saying both of those things allow meetings right. Nobody really ever mentioned that other one but it is equally as bad. Yeah well I don't know I still think. The fireplace thing takes the title. No no so. Many bad lurks though. This ain't no Christmas Carol. Maybe log in your fireplaces all tad more clever than Lick my candy just slightly. I don't know I think it's more high-concept song he's actually you know like a lumberjack and he's around a fireplace yes in that case they should have put that one on the elder concept. As an you'd have to be high to enjoy it something like that and don't know there's worse lyrics out there. I mean even like this is a worst lyric the whole gene doing fat Albert and Prussian on the love and leave him. You know because Mama was awaiting you come in my way. Hey Hey never made that connection. But you're right here it you'll hear it forevermore and it's like he has. Toronto there's also the part where he goes like between the hours of ten and to do that's ridiculous like a rock and roll better. Better drop that needle after that song inside and he he's spasm. La Crazy all through the video. He looks robot somewhat got dropped on the head. No Sir No love for love of leave them no not love them. Well we're off to going to. I'm going with a candy cane. No I actually think that's worse I think so. Do I think I pretty sure Vinnie? Vincent wrote that line to I don't WanNa know all right. Let's just mouawad onto the next place. All right here's another one from instagram coast to us from Pisces. With filters if you could travel anywhere in the world obviously not at the moment. Where would you go? I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go back home to Wisconsin for visit. We were supposed to go up shoot. We'd be going up in a week and everything I canceled. We're all prime to go. 'cause it's been a long time since see my brother and my dad and all my home people back in the North Woods but I was hoping to go. But that's where I would definitely be gone soon as this over. We can do it again. Got A replan that trip. What are you guys? Were you want to go yeah? I'll just say that to me. This is kind of making up for a little bit from for Missing Rock Pot so just keeping music related once a year. Some kind of trip. It's been the expo but also eater fast and things like that so it would be anywhere. I was getting together with friends music and having a good time we'd be my answer. I suspect the last place I really went before. All this happened. Was Kansas City to watch the super bowl with my old roommate. And several thousand people downtown In Kansas City to celebrate the chiefs winning the Super Bowl. I'd probably go back there because I had such a good time. I'd like to go back and spend a few more days there. So that's my answer. I want to go to rock and pot. Also man no this odd. Though isn't it isn't just not having that ability to go to a show and yes gets so we're looking forward to it. You know what I mean. That kind of thing keeps going like in. Three weeks is coming to town right now. I was never never a fan of that ban but yeah X. Y. Z band Denver Zone. Yes yes but Yeah I miss going to shows. That's probably the first thing I'm GonNa do when I get out of here. Here's finally go to a concert. Missouri like you said right. I go next week in Missouri. If I wanted was going to that though nobody who's playing everybody okay. Well if Missouri. There's a good chance jackals playing. They're ready to roll out the chainsaw right now. Yeah when I lived in Kansas City. I think Jackal would play. They're like twice a year and draw so many people it was crazy. Awesome Jackal. That happens everywhere. I think I've yet to see them amazingly they're awesome. I've heard all right. Here's another one that comes to us from instagram. This is really good. I like this head. Scratcher favourite solo album from a member of a band. You like for example. Tom Keefer the way. Life goes are pound hound with doug panic massive grooves from the Electric Church Funk Delic grunge lissome rock music. One think man. I was thinking Samantha. Seven is one of mine for sure if you account that is like CC. Breaking away from poison. I know you're fan of that album. What do you think? Oh Yeah. That's a good one As good pop rock A Lazy Answer. I'll just say John Korabi the the acoustic album that he put out a few years. But I mean he was part of Motley crew of an. I don't know if that's a great answer but you have a great. It's a great album though. Yeah I love that album. Yeah I mean they recruit so. How is that just recording his house? Pretty much to sounds excellent actually Aaron and his friend. Da Carcass who was part of the show pretty early on He produced played on that album. So it was. It was locally done here in. East Nashville. Actually yeah now. That's a great. Pick the I love that the hooligans the swamp. Iverson who didn't like that one better than the original actually down Ct. It's a phenomenal. Yeah mine actually. I was stumped on this one and then today just on shuffle. The answer came to me and that was a when I heard the first track of slashes album that he did with all the guest stars. Rocking F- enroll whatever. It's called as ghost on with a call to ozzy and Jesus everybody's on that album. That's one of the few albums that for me. Works with all the rotation of singer side. I really enjoy that one even though it led to him picking miles candy. Is the human dog whistle for his band? That's bacchus joke. He's probably GonNa tell me material last one habit. I like. I like Gysi Pearl Solo stuff after he left. Love hate I like the the tracey guns album. The killing machine Ivan pulled. I don't list to in a while but that's pretty damn good album. And that's him after Elliott guns. I don't know it's it's tough. There's a whole bunch like that pound. Hone that Doug Pinnock album. Anti-takeover did a thing called Jelly Jam. That was pretty good from King's x pound Hound Jill. Gm perfectly rated band names right. Oh Yeah we'll get to that a little bit. Yeah Nice all right. We got one more from instagram. Comes to us from denuding fifty one fifty and he wants no our thoughts on what he thinks is the best. Jackie Lee project ever badlands always loved it especially the first record. Good stuff and Eric Singer strumming amazing on the second record. I've never heard it any of none really ever heard it. No you know is is is a is a like a told. I rent my music on a monthly basis streaming and Or lease whatever in that was not available and I just never got back in the day and you just you gotta actually dig for it. So I didn't put forth the effort but have heard nothing but great things. You've heard the first one though right. Nope nothing dreams in the dark. Even the single. I haven't heard dreams. I've heard nothing you you need to rectify this really soon. I I understand that bringing it down Brady Kristen Zach dropbox send link okay a lot of it on Youtube. You know so much work. I'm a man of convenience. Oh God no wonder. Bucko gets angry mouth. It's not right in front of me. Shiny and easily click -able. You're such a millennial for a generation I I really really love this millennial. We've got some from twitter. Also Ooh good all right so these will forever for talk all right John. Gothic wants to know so we know about the big four of thrash but who would be the big four of Glam in Sleaze Rock Motley crue rat docking and big. We supposed take on this to think. What do you think the world would pick is? The big should be the big four with that. I'm saying I think he saying because like the big four is already to establish thing thrash with WHO would be who should be the big four of Glam Rock. The three that he picked or good I would probably just add poison to that list. Where IT'S TOUGH INTERCHANGE. Only four of them because dock and really should go in there and you know does guns and roses fit into that. Yeah I was just about to ask our guns and roses considered sleaze rock exactly. That's kind of what I was so not. This is not the my my four but the one I think the world would accept like the big four would be guns and roses motley poison and eater rat. Or if you're going by you could actually push. Could you push off leopard in there if they don't want to be associated with that? Yeah that could even be like guns roses. Motley DEF LEPPARD poison. That sounds about right by the math. All right now I think that's that's probably the ultimate floor right there. Well you know you gotTa Got Pretty Boy Floyd in there somewhere. I would see my big four. Would have faster pussycat in there. Yeah that's what I was thinking when I was putting my original list together as man. Can you squeeze faster pussycat in somehow exactly so I do it? I you know. Victor kind of called you out on on your possible your ethics gather show. Erin but your game. Show being the judge in Questions have something even even easier though is that I think that that the the beat the Geek game though is that you you have so many questions upfront. The guest has drink and by the time he gets to the point of playing the game he keeps. No way is gonNA beat. Beat Zach. What do you think of that? That would only work. If Sinn Zach hasn't already been drinking for an hour. Are you drinking today? I actually today. I'm not see it. That's part of the gamble while we're on the beat the subject before we get to it later today to the show Aaron I talked to Josh to me on the phone yesterday. And he brought up an interesting point and I'm saying this to my own detriment but he says it's a show that has eleven questions and I'm always the one who gets to go first so therefore I get an extra question that's probably unfair but tiger to eleven see. Yeah that's right be up but should I try it? Should we let the guests go? I go makes a difference. No that's why it's beat the Geek. God works although I already whatever. That's that's the idea. It's supposed to be in your favor a little bit Okra. That works for me right but you still lose Thai all the time. I know. Actually you got a pretty good record if we're keeping track so far. I'm not sure exactly what it is. But you've been doing pretty good. I think we'll see what happens today. I like four one and one I think. Yeah that's not bad at all. Yeah it's a hockey record all right. Here's a question will. Actually it comes through from the Mugere. And he says it's an impossible question but here goes what album. Would you consider perfect from start to finish? You wouldn't skip any tracks. You can only select one album. I'm going to have an obvious answer and I'm honestly burned out on this record but if I have to go song for Song Quality. Wise I don't see how you could not say appetite for destruction. I mean that there's not a bad song that entire record mind man but there's so many albums that are perfect albums it's hard to narrow it down just one. Because I I say realized I didn't read it all the way through and a NC select only one and I'm thinking. Oh man you know Tortora Wild America guns albums in the first three Metallica and you know I could go on and on and on with you know and and it still is kind of rare that you get an album that if you were doing like I'm doing where I'm listening to each album and then deciding which songs make the cut into my ipod. It's rare to have a perfect album but there's plenty of them out there with that said all ten tracks them asylum major ipod. That is so I didn't leave nothing off asylum. But there's still crazy nights. There's nothing I left off of. Animal is Yeah Interesting. What about the make? Bold statements by Jesus Chrysler. I'll that's all on there and the versions he sent me okay. Good luck. Version is thirty tracks on it. My answer is the same as is is Chris. It's an appetite. I thought about that too. And it's not like a nut and listen to it that much but I think if I listened to thirteen years old when it came out. It's perfectly sequence. There's nothing I'd change about. You know you can take your favorite. Maybe like you know what I wish. This would move around here. It's just it's as has everything you need. Yeah I think the next question is directly solely to loose cannons. I think you're right. It comes from Bill Elam and he says name Beers that are available at your local wine liquor outlive. This comes from. We have this by a severe where we struggle with finding beers that people actually by US in two different cities. I RECORD IN DENVER broncos Saint Paul Anyway but The quick answer is coors light in a bottle can silo. That's good that's always good. I thought you were gonNA say like some kind of high gravity. Ipa knowing your taste well yes and that would probably come up later. But but I know one hundred percent I could always get coors light. Some form of ounces some volume. That's what I'm drinking right now. Is that still the stuff left over from Arkansas. Yes so oh yeah well. I still have some of that in my fridge. Yes and I've still got some of the Yangling that somebody brought over to than expired coors light. Oh I I'm never gonNA drink it. It's just I I drink I drink. Iva's to all right a finally see. Yeah I can't stand for like coors and Bush and I'd just I hate a guy's got gotta drink the fancy pants beer. Well I just don't like to drink thirteen years to get a buzz. You know like three three horrible tasting beers you drink coors light for the taste and then when everybody else is still drinking passed out and going on and and has got a slight grin on his face. He's in the he's in the zone. I see for both sides. Do It's more of an efficient use of my time and I get more sleep that way. Yeah I'm in the zone after twelve. What else but only on rocket pod. Weekend Right yes we HA- we've seen evidence of this are basic thing was hey you can donate five ten bucks whatever you want. And then we'll review the beer in the show. We'll give you a shot out but we both have total wine which total wine down there so they usually carry pretty much everything before whatever reason they'll pick a beer and only one of us will have it and then we'll have to substitute in the substitute and it seems to be an ex too much of a profit deal because we have to buy six packs of stuff just to try what beer of some just and they're usually not like peanut butter porter or something bad so so it gets retired or if somebody will say go get. What's the Malt Liquor? Some horrible like a Colt forty five. Never had one of those but had one of the show. Yeah I notice. Sometimes it seems like some people are purposely trying to pick stuff that you're GONNA hate so bad so bad say this from Denver. Drinking Colt forty five. I'll tell you what it does not work every time. Nice all right. Well that wraps up the twitter section I guess we can move on down to facebook questions we on a whole bunch of good ones there. Let's see this one. You both picked Metallica as your favorite big four act which leads me to question what was wrong with your hi fi systems in the nineties where you're not able to play the first track on the album's kidding aside please go back and dive into up dead or holy wars and tell me those aren't the greatest achievements in the history of the genre. Thanks a bunch for a great show especially during these strange days that comes to us from Pontus whitten mark and I mean. There's no denying those megadeath albums especially that stuff. I loved the song. Wake up dead and holy wars and so many other ones from the early albums but I mean it's neck and neck with those bands and I guess it always has been and I've have to correct Pontus I because I didn't pick METALLICA is my favorite. I picked anthrax but I obviously METALLICA's had the most success but and I love megadeath. Don't get me wrong. I love a lot especially the later day stuff. I like megadeath way more consistently than I do. Metallica but But I'm sorry you're putting mega megadeath up against you know disposable heroes the four horsemen. I can name a master of puppets that come on. I don't know but I still take anthrax over a mall even other catalogue overall is probably weaker. I still like them. The Best I'll go I'll go with Pontus. Which and mark with his his love megadeath. And actually my big four does go megadeath. Then Anthrax Metallica slayer order and if you ask me back in the day Metallica but just over time. I've really gone back to those megadeath albums more but I have. No credibility never heard badlands. Raise some for us all right. What's the thank you for calling us out Pontus but was there a question there except for you're not able to play the first track on the album? That was not a form of the question. The question was what the Hell's wrong with you. Guys was for a long way of saying. Our wives asked us that every week. But it's usually doesn't involve megadeath sorry suffocate player with you. I have to go downstairs beautiful day and talk about kiss and the basement with two people. You'll understand when you're older so accurate. All right next question comes from early infant. He wants to know. Why does loose cannon records shows in his car? Does his wife kick him out? I would say that this person's listen to our show. That's maybe maybe ten fifteen shows toll on ever in a lot of it has to do with the fact that I sometimes we do shows. I'm actually recording them during my lunch at work in parking lot. Because that's the only way record one of the Times was when Baca called because he couldn't tell time we're time zones or figuring out properly and you said Hey I'm sorry. Can you interview Mike tramp right now? I know how that goes and I go. I go hold on and I'm like they just ran out to the car. I knew nothing about white lion thinking like what a great end of my career. It's also busted out here in the parking lot. They're like yeah. We we had the fire. This is interview the lead singer White Lion. We'll break come close. So here's a scheduling conflicts orifice impromptu episode like random stuff. So no I don't record all the show you can hear the Beautiful Beautiful Home Studio and here the quality of this call even so no earl. That's why that's awesome. That's something I didn't know about you. That's something you have in common with me. The fact that we were both thrown into last minute by ourselves interviews with Mike tramp and he also something in common with Chris whereas you guys are often known to record from your cars. It's like some kind of band affect moment or something. That's the one that I remember that that was like from five years ago. Where you're just like in a backstage interviewing right. Yeah went downtown in. I was supposed to meet Chris and something came up and I was never the biggest way lion fan and so I went down there. I don't how this is going to go but it went all right. Use a cool dude guy. That was the thing that blew. My mind was when he actually said the phrase yes. I'm very proud by eleven. Eleven Solo albums man. That's incredible that's a lot. He's very popular in Belgium. Give him a break yes I know. They're got nothing better to do but sit around pining for the new Mike tramp album which is good. I wish we were more like them. That's right all right. Here's another question. It's a good one comes from Patrick Breen. Are there any singers in one band that you can see singing for another band? Would you endorse a hard rock? Metal Program like wife swap. But it's a singer swap for a year or two as pretty intriguing question I would. I would put Dee Snider and Paul Stanley's place and kiss you being serious or just before. Yeah I think I think he could pull it off. He's he's good enough of a front man. He doesn't play guitar though. So that would be you go down to one guitar but I think he could handle Paul's songs. That's far all right there. You paint 'em up like Paul and everything I don't know about that aspect to them. The revenge era of CAST. But if you're looking at this like it's a TV show and you're GONNA take one guy from one band in put him in a different band and then film the interactions of it like a like a reality TV show. That would be frigging fascinating. Somebody and I'm GONNA steal from one of our listeners. Because they had something like this got asked on on a different episode and their suggestion which I think was a good one would be Sebastian. Bach and Van Halen. I think that could work on a musical level. Not on an ego level. No that would make for good reality. Tv too sure. Yeah see how a guy gets fired after twenty minutes in a band. Did you guys see the new story a couple? I guess maybe a week ago or so. About Eddie. Van Halen and Fred durst working together. Yeah it ended up with Eddie Van halen pulling a gun on Fred durst yeah. Basically he met Fred Durst at a party in Beverly Hills and this is when Eddie was really bad off on math and stuff and somebody I the guy who wrote the book I guess was at the Party and introduce them to each other and go he jokingly said Hey Eddie let you know Westborough just left lent biscuit you should try out for lent biscuit and and even for Durst to his own credit was like yeah. That'd be funny. The Greatest Guitar Player in history playing in the worst band in history and and Eddie goes fuck it. Let's do it and So Eddie shows up at the at this house in Beverly Hills the rest have biscuit has just jamming around in. And he's he brought his gear and I guess he tried to play with them but it was like turned into being just a big party with a bunch of younger people. He felt weird about being there and he left and he left his gear there and the next day he apparently blew up Fred durst phone going. Hey I need to get my stuff. Back and Fred durst wouldn't answer any of his phone calls. And I guess Eddie Own Day like a military assault vehicle at the time and he got up in this truck drives to the house. Bangs on the door Fred durst opens the door and even puts a gun to his face and he goes. Give me my gear. You motherfucker held the gone on Fred durst all of the biscuit crew or whatever loaded. Olivetti stuff back in the ninety took off. Sounds like a scene from boogie nights or something truth. A stranger than fiction. That's a craziest story. Though I love it that's Great. And how how is that? Not Having hasn't come out already. You know anybody that was there that day. That'd be the greatest story you could tell. Party about strange bedfellows. That's wild here's question Robert Sadler. I like this one. This one's pretty cool too. It's I never really thought about this. Best Use of an loud in a band name Motley crue Blue Easter or motor head. All three of them use the roads. All just go with Motley crue because there's two of 'em instead of on I gotta go with Motley. I don't think any of them are used properly are they? That's what I was looking at. I think I think Lewis or call. It uses properly. I don't know I think motley the the Olwin motliest correct the you is. I don't think it is an oyster and I don't think it is in motor. Had 'cause if it was motorhead it would have a line over the top right because it's Oh. Isn't that how that works? I am unsure of Maitland. Lots well I know professor and I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about but I'm also going to go with molly crew. Because I think they use it the most correctly maybe as also the first time I saw I knew Motley crue before I before I knew of blue waster called motorhead. Yeah same here. I just love the Motley. Took the idea from a bottle of low brow and that's how they decided to use. Wow that's cool all right. Here's a question from Grayson gala goes. He wants to know anybody else. Besides me love the smell of a new CD BOOKLET. I know streaming. I know loose. Cannon loves the smell of his phone an iced fresh hyperlink I I mean. I don't really buy CDs anymore but I did at the time you know I one thing I noticed the other day I was going through like old tour books and stuff I had two books used to have like a particular smell to them That's pretty unique but And so two. Obviously Vinyl does too. But I don't know this is an Aaron Camaro question all the way. Yeah the studio smells pretty sweet with all the CD booklets in here you actually ever opened one up though and just take a big with like fresh. I guess just take a big do on. Yeah I don't think not a big with the new. The new is Jersey. This is going to be so good. I mean there's no there's jobs for a CD Somalia right. What are they if you could actually tell albums going to soccer? Be Great just by the with smell the glove by spinal tap. Oh that's true. Well right awesome. Let's see Jason wants to know what's everyone's favorite beer mine's easy I stick with Baako and I agree with the coors light. That's what I'm drinking you guys. What's your your favorite snooty imported beverage of choice. You go I loose I always go with. What's the most expensive and has the longest description name? If I'm if I'm going there was one that was like well. The one that I've that I've really been into lately is when I actually talked about last week that you guys had to try on your shot. I don't even think you like this one. It's called Space Dust Ip. God ooh. It's eight point two percent alcohol and I actually do like the taste of it. You know. Yeah I'm proud of myself. Now you're gonNA guys right now. No I'm not gonNA everything right. Walk based dust. I gotTA stay sober to beat you in the game. That's right it's going to be going to address some awesome questions. You get these. Do you just dig deep. Because they're they're like The random and they're they're supposed to be random I understand pretty impressive. The obscurity of them. I like them to be hard but I like them to be solvable. Sort of you know. I don't know I have fun times putting them together. I'm just glad that you finally after four hundred episodes you know realized your dream of becoming a game show host that you had as a young boy. I know I forced it. It's Money Dream Sin Zach and we're doing it. I've been wanting to do a trivia game so we started the show so I'm happy we're doing it. I find all kinds of crazy shit. We know what now's the time any Chris? I say you that thing the other day about the kiss thing and I want to tackle this all about the The end though let me just explain it because loose cannon you gotta check this out to this is far out so. I'm doing the research to find questions for the game show you know and I'm always looking for cool stuff kind of outside of the box. Things that people maybe should know about what you guys know about this stuff today but when it comes to the kiss questions. It's always hard because with Chris. I know I gotTa make it pretty difficult and then I try to judge by the you know the kissed them of the opponent of how difficult. It's it's a whole process you know but it's difficult with the kiss questions especially so I dig around and I just look for different things and eventually I'll find something go. That's a good one right there. That's perfect. I'll use it so in my research this week for the kiss questions. I found this article it's written by Melissa Satori and it's on rancor dot com and it is pretty freaking strange. It's an article. It's entitled Kiss. Stories that earned them the title of the most calculated band in history. Have either you seen this before? Okay so Chris. I'm going to read the part that I sent to you. And then we'll go from there so they have different sections throughout the thing with. Ah that highlights different parts. The band's career in different things so this parts called fans thought illuminated kept the band out of the rock and Roll Hall of fame and it goes like this kiss were inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Fifteen years after the group's initial eligibility period a delay that sent the kiss army down a path of conspiracy theories one theory involves journalist Dave marsh a key player in the hall of Fame Selection Process. Who wants reportedly said kiss is not a great band. Kiss never was a great band. Kiss never will be a great ban and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot. This lead outrage by kiss fans around the world. Another theory is that kiss were kept from the hall of fame by illuminate because of their apparent relationship with satanism connection with the illuminated trace back to Vinnie Vincent. A member of the. It's hard to read this wondering what you're gonNA break. Vinnie Vincent Ause the breaking boy. Oh man too funny. Okay get it together. Camaro is to you gotta keep going all right. Vinnie Vincent was a member of the banned from eighty to eighty four. Oh man this is going to be hard. It makes perfect boat it. Okay Vincent who brought the band into a new artistic period was also said to have been driven by the desire to pull kiss. You know I got this. He was also driven by is desire to pull kiss away from satanism. All right as he defended the new World Order Vincent. Thank can't fucking do it right Chris you gotta read it. I can't do it. It's too funny am I ended. My eyes are watering. It's too funny. All right. So picking up where he left off is visit became known as the warrior wearing an Egyptian off. The key of life symbol which was tied to luminosity devour. Vincent didn't last long and kiss and failed to eliminate the connections between the devil in the band. According to the conspiratorial line of thinking his failures met the alumina would have to find other ways to suppress kiss. So now we know why analyze was made man to good points the see the sacred group. The Secret Group had made a bold move keeping the band out of the hall of fame and entity established for the creation of recruiting lucrative performers into their globalist in game. But the heads of the hall of fame are after all new world order luminaries. Or so some conspiracy theorist positive God as the funniest thing I ever read in my life so like we can honestly now confirm that Vinnie. Vincent did not save kiss know you was trying to save them from satanism but he failed. There's all kinds of crazy shit like that in this article and it's just like it's made to look like it's actually really real. I would like to suggest that for the rest of the show. Just keep reading the entire article stinky when I saw this. Sounds like this could be a whole episode. Just this article that this could be as forget doing another a thing of hit parade or a mental edge. Just read this article on there. It's not a bad idea. I mean let me thing. They say about ace freely and then we move on from here. Here's a this a good expert? Bray here all right kiss. Songs intended to play up their image as sex crazed Lucifer loving groups of guys that lived outside the lines. Exactly what parents hated the song? The oath is allegedly about giving into Satan. I think it's legit because I certainly felt like I was in hell the first time I had to listen to that just like just like a here like a death. Poetry reading of the elder by Camaro. We just like we've done that before for the VIP's on on we've done well. We did it on the decimal geek to with the bongos. I don't have the BONGOS radio. That's what I loved. Yes the ball goes. I think you Bocconi a two person show about the elder elder poetry with bongos. When he wanted to do it on the episode on the elder I let Rob Kerr Co host. And I didn't do because you're a member of the illuminated satanism. That's right. I could be part of that. This whole art makes sense now. Gene Simmons Dicey tour. He wore a costume made out of tin foil. So hey there is a connection this true. Now you know what's inside the poof on on top of his head a little a little Bala Tinfoil top. Not a good look. We have a lot of questions to okay visit. This is insane. We'll revisit it possibly. Okay yes there's some crazy shit in there. I laughed so hard. I can't believe I tried to read that shadow loud okay. Who Back to it? Here's one from our good friend. J should blue ski two parter. I he wants to know. Where did the loose cannon name come from yet first off? I am a believer that you do not give yourself your own nickname so I got this nickname former life but worked for enterprise rent a car and basically there. There's I became a manager and a like an official email. Sent out like this guy. You just put in charge of loose cannon especially what it said because I would just say ridiculous. Shit I guess I didn't have didn't follow social norms and that just kinda followed me to had a website called. Are You fucking kidding me that I had those a blog back in the day? And that was my pen name for that. And it just Kinda stuck and I've actually graduated pass I'd like to be referred to as Elsie now. I'm kind of like moving from ricky shorter to rick. Schroder as I get older I. That's all see sister. It's it's it's not something that you know. It's definitely morning zoo like so as I've been told so. I think that that I'm move towards LLC because it's not the best when you're asking for you know to interview somebody new sign it loose cannon. An email either. That's the story. So then the second part of the question. Jatia blue ski would like to know is am I the only one watching wrestling in front zero fans? Well I'm certainly not watching it. Yes this is a wrestling show after all. I don't have an answer for that. You don't watch none zero wrestler's wrestling Elsie. That sock unless unless you're in the Ring Camaro Okay. We worked out sometime maybe I watch it. I love AWA wrestling. It's weird that the wrestling now is in front of note. Fans like Wrestlemainia was messed up. Because there's no fans there so they're just I don't know it's not the same without people out there or cutting this one time I worked a show in Laverne and it's like Saturday night and I'm all dressed up and I'm ready to go down in announcing got some big matches lined up and usually there's no anywhere between bad night fifty people and a good night. You know hundred couple hundred people in the place and SOM- Gonda heading down there and I'm ready and they play my music and I walk out. There's three people out there and so I walked out. I got the MIC phone. I'm ready to everybody. Say I don't even know what's sad. I just turn off the MIC fun. Going the ring the music cuts off and I go. How's it going? Wow you guys are the only ones here. And they're like yeah. I guess so you know like okay. Well the show goes on so I'm not even on Mike Von. I'm just leaning in the corner talking to these three people sitting in the CEA chairs and I tell well you're going to have a good time tonight because everything this whole show is going to be directed right to you three so have fun tonight. You know so. Let me tell you this first match. We got coming up his and I didn't even use the microphone all night. I just basically stood there and we would became their personal narrator of the evening. Explain them what was going on. Why this disguise fighting that guy last week? I don't know if you guys were here last week. You know this guy came out and did this and this guy. It was a trip. It's weird. No crowd is a very odd thing. Yeah it's going to be strange if they got imagine they're going to try it in line with NFL season. You know it. It's all starting to come on Don now. You know there some states. I know some counties here in Tennessee are lightening up and letting people would don't know if that's a good thing or not we're gonNA find out soon. I think the next couple of weeks it's interesting. You can't stay lockdown forever. But we can't keep doing the quarantine sessions forever. If we keep awesome questions like these GRAYSON gala swats to know. What's the most embarrassing thing you've ever worn? He can't wait for me to answer this one all you go. I have this another one that happened at a wrestling show. You know because I like I like to get dressed up for the wrestling shows you know. I like to be over the top and advocate time with that stuff and this was a particularly big one and there was a couple thousand people in the crowd for this and it was down at the fairgrounds. It's underneath the hot lights in the ring you know. And it's you feel the heat in the ring from the big lights up above you in. This instance was one where I had to bring with was rope changes because they were filming TV segments. And I had to wear certain ones in certain things that were airing on different weeks which is always a pain in the ass but whatever I bring myself with me so in my search trying to find crazy shit to where at a goodwill. I'm pretty sure a thrift store of some sort. I found a fur coat and I was like. Wow I code. It looks like it's Wolfer. Salt is super cool. You know I'm thinking this amazing and my wife is like no. You're not in that and I was like well. It's not very expensive. You know boy. Yeah it's GONNA be cool. That's going to be awesome so I get to the show and I got my assortment stuffing where my I one more comfortable one earlier and then later on in the night. It's time for me to put on you know outfit number. Three number. Three is the for coat so I put on the fur coat on like Oh shit. It's hot you know this. This ain't cool and I gotta wear because I don't have nothing else and I was my plan so back out to the ring. I go with this big old stupid for Code on all these people underneath the hot lights and I'm sweating in the firs coming off the jacket sticking to my neck in its Itchen. It's getting in my face and I'm trying to talk on the Mike. It's getting on my mouth and stick. It was the worst idea ever had and I come back and my boss. There goes fucker you wearing should. I won't wear it again and it was. I was eating role. Did you look Teen Wolf? The loafer and your face like growing in yet definitely was also sticky sticking out of my eyes. Oh God I've Rack my brain on this and the best answer I can come up with his. I once were cobras and fire. T. Shirt that's my answer to wait A. I'm wearing a T. shirt right now. All your answer. Then I'll tell you what it promotes social distancing nice and by the way you can also get a cobras and fire. Facemask caused the fire DOT com. Thank you guys for what you do walk. Oh Man Let's see. Here's another one from Grayson. He wants know what song instantly brings you back to your childhood. The one that came to mind right away was boys of summer by Don Henley. Because I just remember that song being everywhere when I was a kid. I think I'M GONNA go with Right down the line by Gerry. Rafferty for some reason. That song always takes him back to being a little kid or maybe Baker Street. Either one. I took this as being as teenager. You're talking about little kid I Guess Childhood Okay. I'M GONNA go a trapped in the closet by R Kelly. A lot of ways. You're still a child. I don't WanNa know the story behind that but I haven't Aksoy answer. I took this as like a child is like teenagers. I actually did a few right. To Party beastie boys because that's when all of a sudden they realized that reason. I like law these songs. They have guitars. And that led me to Zeppelin and stuff like that. Yeah that that album was a soundtrack. To One of my summers. I remember that too. Yeah that was like a gateway drug for hard rock for me. I had to fight for your right. Which is that. I had the forty five for a fight for your right with the Paul Revere on the B side Song. God I mean come on i. What other time when you were a kid. Did you hear the Porno Mag on these guys? Get me and doing things with a wiffle ball bat. Yeah all that. What does he do it with? Welcome back fit. That's Awesome Victor. Roos wants know is coopers and fire perfectly rated one hundred percent yes it's perfectly rated and I would like to take this time to actually go more data because this whole perfectly rated thing came in with King's x last time overrated. Can I tell you the definition perfectly rated? I I think you don't understand it Chris Plea Okay. Perfectly rated means a band. Their success is exactly as it should be I. I understand that it's not an insult. Oh you do yeah and I. I don't I wasn't really arguing with Bockel about it. I was just saying I wish I just wish they had had more success. I'm not saying they deserved. I just wish they had. I don't know I just wish more people latched on all I was saying it has to do with a abandons logo their image their band name. You pick a bad ban. I don't care how good you are. It's going to be I give you a poor example. Bubble flex is the dumbest band and ever created. But it's I love but it sounds like a weezer Bam like nerf herder. The logo is bad. They didn't they didn't find success. They're perfectly rated. There's another the great. So that's king's x perfectly reading. Do you think the name does hurt them? King's X. Oh no kings is a fine is no k Danny. There wouldn't be that it would be just a hurt them. As naming album Gretchen goes to Nebraska. Sounds like any other album when it come out in the late eighties. It sounds like a pretty boy floyd album cover or like you know. It sounds like a Porno Gretchen goes Nebraska so just because otherwise it would be like Gretchen goes to Hollywood. Yeah see his is all difficult comparison. You change the Nebraska that didn't sound that fund Hollywood. Maybe maybe it's about a porn star retiring. Oh He's our changed as James X o x x rated see. This is what they could've used okay. They only had us to market. But yeah we're perfectly rated because we we picked a name that doesn't make much sense and things like that and we're an acquired taste so yeah we're were a successful as we should be all right mic. Watkins wants to know. What's your favorite hard rock heavy metal album from the seventies eighties nineties to thousands and ten album? Oh man that's it is a love your mic but I hate your question overlook that one when I glanced over this list earlier. 'cause I don't have nothing in front of me I'm in the same boat. I can only give two answers for mine. I want to start with an incomplete answer. Good across new liable. Yeah my it's going to be incomplete too but I'll I've got a few ready. I'll go You you're gonna I I mean just the seventy s is going to be alive. That's that's one of what that easily into my head. Eighties say appetite nineties. Two Thousand Two thousand ten. We don't have a favorite. You know I think I think because when you're younger you just to latch onto things more. Yeah I would try the seventy he said alive. And then that threw me off. Because maybe I should have picked that. But maybe Thin lizzy black rose eighties Kiss creatures of the night nineties also chains facelift. And then the of the for two thousand. Ten's probably a clips bleed and scream but I don't know about the two thousand. I was doing drugs during the time. So Fair enough. Yeah that's pretty much impossible. I have no idea It's hard enough to big bands and then you spread it out even further to albums. That's I'd have to think that over. I don't really have a good answer for that one. Maybe we'll do a an episode dedicated to something like that. Yeah that'd be cool. Yeah sure Tom. We Atanda two thousand and two thousand ten bands. We don't know about specific albums when she agree if I if I gave it enough thought with sensitive starting the show we could probably come up with several good ones but we can always double around back to that one later. Yeah in the meantime. Merkley wants to know in an alternative universe. Gene has left kiss after. Lick it up to pursual wildly successful movie career. Who Do you pick to replace him? I I would pick Zombie. You've Warr. I just think it would be an interesting pick. Because he's he was already working with Paul on songwriting and stuff and his plasmatics connection means. He's Kinda showman and to start with. It'd be cool to have a black guy kiss. I think it'd be cool. I think that's probably the right answer right there. You know if that would really happened. That's probably the way would went. What have been a cool look. I'm going to go with Kevin. D'abreo was quite right. Just 'cause they both had equal league receding hairlines switch. Nobody knows. Nobody's the wiser. Gets a tongue enhancements done put on the sequined Gown Kevin and also start eating a lot of junk food? Kevin do bro. I was GONNA say Blackie lawless. We kind of talked about this New Mexico bad. You want to replace gene with somebody that's going to be able to come in and right. Gene Simmons style songs very well at Blackie lawless. That's your guy that's better than job before I like your idea. Better of it. You Win as far as practicality. I mean he would take the job in a heartbeat. Probably back in the day to move right into that position like he's already got all stage outfits already lined up. You've got to pay for it. Same Height pretty much. I would think all right James West wants to know what our favorite podcasts. Each of us like to listen to. Lc got you like to listen to. If I just love voice over and over and over all week long list we get our stats. Ten Ten lessons for me each episode no in all seriousness. Obviously listen to US Geek. My God I the easy answer is pretty much the majority of the podcast that are at Rockin pod Expo over the last Few years so Besides not music off. Look thing here to oh Aaron you may turn onto this one. Was the comedy podcasts with. Do all the history that dollop. Yes the Dow up listen to that and obviously did it that for tickets to see the dollop they were coming here and that all got postponed. I'd love to see that live. Yeah yeah I really like that? Show my buddy. Billy turned me onto that. They're funniest hell. That's that's the improv level. You have to be in the right up there and just just a riff on the subject for two and a half so much fun. That's basically what we're doing here. Except it's more difficult for us because we're on skype and under quarantine that is true. Yeah so we're the real improv professionals here damn straight and you don't get any history lesson you get a lot of facts useless knowledge at the end that's right and unintentional humor for me I list obviously cobras and fires. What am I go to is in Damsel in distress. I mean The District of Columbia Diablo. Listen podcast I Love Them. I'll obviously all the rock and pod ones that that come every year. I know it's kind of a cop out answer beverages are so many and then also You know I still stick to the ones that Kinda got into it Mark Marins. What the fuck Adam Corolla. Once in awhile though. He's not as good as it used to be Yeah that's pretty much it. I mean I bounce around. I don't really discover a lot of new ones outside of music. Podcast I should do that more. What about you air You know yeah all the rock ones all my favorite people all my favorite buddies rock and pied people at one time or another. I've listened to them all. You know I try to keep up with them but I don't have that much time Let's see I like I'm a big fan of Conrad Thompson. The guy who does all the wrestling podcasts. He does one with Bruce Prichard who used to be brother love and was a writer for the. Wwe Back then. He does one with Eric. Bischoff who ran? Wcw and he does a couple of other ones and he's really good he gets. The inside. Stories is stuff that was going on then so I really liked them wrestling. Podcasts and I liked the dollop and the rock ones. Yeah all my favorite rock ones. And then that's about it. I listen to more if I add the time. Yeah I can tell you. It's now it's never been more difficult to listen to shows because you don't have to listen to them and I'm going to work. Yeah I mean so I dedicate that time so or at work on my way so definitely behind many me too all right. That's good questions right there. Ian Wildly our good friend. He's terrible at Trivia. He wants to know who has done more damage to the world. Cova nineteen or Sammy. Hagar Man I can. I CAN AVOID SAMMY. Hagar easier than I can cova nineteen so I guess I'll just have to say over. Nineteen go go. Nineteen another Hagar Hater but I think important thing to remember too is in both cases. If you come in contact you should definitely be wearing gloves face. I think you're right just to be on the safe side sure. Andrew Jacobs wants to know which of the older band sixty seventies eighties do you think will not tour again after the cove in nineteen is behind us and a lot of people have been asking if they think kisses hanging it up after this 'cause they remove the countdown clock to the last date of the tour next year. But I just I think they're going to keep Tori. I don't see them stopping Trying to think of anybody that might act well. Roger Waters recently said you may have seen his last tour. 'cause he's like. I'm just getting too old for this and I can't see you know it dragged onto long. He'll retire but those are the two that come to mind right away. Yeah I'm say that if kiss does Turgenev actually be on stage inside those pods spinal tap that they couldn't get out of what do you think nice protection things you can still use tapes for vocals too? So that's true and you can't really see the lips move it's GonNa foggy through the plexiglass or whatever. It is an interesting question because it's like all over the band's the that we grew up with are pretty much in the are in the at risk category right. They're definitely not going to do any meet and greets think for several years and that's where a lot of them get their extra money. You know what I mean. Thought about that. Yeah that could really affect it so who knows I mean yeah good up seeing a bunch of them hanging up after the the twenty twenty might have been the end of meet and greet packages. He won't tell her grandkids. Go when we were young week? Actually pay our rockstars at exorbitant. Amount of cash could meet them face to face you. Kids will never understand what it was like. Yeah they're like I got to go backstage. And the stand six feet away from Gene Simmons and wave at him for a thousand dollars. A kid goes thank God. It is interesting. It's like that. Is this going to change people? All of a sudden think these meet and greets are ridiculous. Waste of money. Have you ever paid for one? Yes eight for the first one with as freely was somewhat reasonable reasonable and it was for myself my wife and my kid you know and we went and had to go time and it was kind of it was more about him than anything you know about showing my kid. Brilliant showing them a good time. I've I don't think I've ever paid for one and I I've had as you guys not could sometimes get put on the meet and greet list or whatever if you review a show and I got to do that with Geoff. Tate brought his Operation Mayan Crime tour here and ice and I remember meeting really SARS Brian Tissue. These guys are really cool than Jeff take and it was just really awkward just just odd at sniffer of line down at you trying to sell me on driving me around. Europe and stuff give ten percent discount code for wine tour. Thanks coming back here Chris. He's a man of of many taste tastes. That's absolute gold. How God ever if you ever. I hear an episode of US making fun of Geoff Tate and then subsequently the next week interviewing Jeff tapes particular show I love the Alpha and anytime I find a crazy ridiculous story of a Rockstar. Being an amazing Douche tend to find that Lenk Senate send it loose at Bocconi. Let's say you guys know what to do right. We Make Fun of what we love. You Love Jeff tape you know. That's just a general statement. Okay all right age. Jake's got a few quick ones for US crazy nights or hot in the shade shades. How hot in the shade agree with loose? Oh you eight one two or for unlawful carnal knowledge. Fuck you. It went too hard. I don't know I don't really listen to that stuff too much. Sammy Hagar can't get it. You're listening to that. All right I guess. Wait one to Chris already. I said Fuck. That's my answer. Oh so you were upset with the question. Awful Karnal Heaven and hell or mob rules. Haven't hell have. I love my rules but heaven and Hell I love them both. Go with Heaven and Hell Jimi Hendrix. Jimmy page Jimmy page page Jimi Hendrix overrated. Oh wow see now just for that. I'M GONNA go with Jimi Hendrix. Just to balance things out. Now you see. Just how finely rated he is stone temple pilots core or soundgarden super unknown question even super known as super unknown. I don't know man. I was actually listening to stone till pilots core not too long ago and I forgot. That's actually a really damn good album. There's some really good guitar Solos on those songs. Yeah I still takes are known as an album compared to it but There's a song called cracker man on core great song as bad ass But I still gotta go with soundgarden. Also see you trick me. Van Halen Related Wings or rings. GotTa be you gotta go with the the wings. Because it's the Dave era. Yeah definitely the wings wings got. It's perfect for a logo. You know and Weezer even copied it or paid to everything to me. It's kind of like the The metallica thing at the bottom. Whatever you call it the reverse checkmark right. It's it's nice. It's nice to doodle. That's true that's true. I like that all right. Here's one from Corey Nolan. He wants to know what is the one thing you'd like to see. Kiss make available for purchase. How about music to keep saying. Yeah well he said not give an answer. What else is there released? Anything anything that any product had their name on it. You have Camaro. I can't think of anything they've there's you can buy a kiss anything right tight open the vaults up you know there's a bunch of cool stuff. They're sitting on just lucky people that stop yes. I'll I'll go with that. Here's here's my question is befuddled me. Nothing I would love to see it. And it's like the era that I loved the most. But how is there not a pro shot asylum? Show out there at this point. They're sparing you but I there's every how entire tour Golan by put their record of all tours except for that in and outside of the Rio eighty three shows which aren't really the creatures full stage. There's no creatures pro shot show either. I guess I just think from an wise forward. You know the get the a little more money MTV thing should have. Somebody should have something from that that I heard that. They didn't put out one for the asylum tour because be. Arthur was suing gene over this Scott intellectual intellectual property golden girls big time. Yeah all right to know. Aaron Camaros laugh or ace frailties laugh. I'm going to vote for loose cannons. Laugh other say we have like the two best laughs and music podcasting? I gotTa tell you. I'm quite pleased because usually I have the ability to program Erin. Camaros laugh for terrible jokes that I tell or Boko now. It's actually a real laugh very satisfying here. I'm going with Eric Camaros. Laugh that's awesome and then let's see what else we got. What's Your Favorite Deep Purple Lineup? Chris you don't deep purple. They only lineup a deep purple. I really like is the Glenn Hughes David. Coverdale era of the band voice which What's lineup was the did the thousand nine hundred? Six classic perpendicular totally. That's like Mark Forty two. I think the cover phone. It looks like a Boehner. Very very clever Deep Purple did it at all. I even like some of that early early stuff. What a couple of songs are pretty cool and then I love the Ingala and stuff but I think my favorite is also the Glenn Hughes David Coverdale era. Those albums are so good storm bringer. Come ON YEAH BURN. Burn is bad ass stuff okay. Well I guess those are all our questions for the week. All good ones like you. Everybody we're going to keep this going for a little bit. So you know keep thinking about more questions and then when we put all the word you just let us know what you want to talk about. We'll talk about whatever as we've proven here once again today but now it's time for beat the Geek play the game show music in the background. I don't want to have any game show music. That's what this show is missing. We need some beat the Geek Game. Show perper when somebody's thinking. See you use my laugh. No I'm GonNa clip that and I'm GONNA use that every week to loop with that. No please don't cigarettes exactly. They can give ticks some people. There's a sharp drop in the numbers right at that and will they said the guest loose cannon. Well you'll have a chance to redeem yourself right now redeem what. What are what have to regain my cellphone for bringing her ratings and our reviews down. Well I know somebody's GonNa get a one star review in Canada so you guys know the rules beat Geek. We've been doing it over the last few weeks of the quarantine sessions and Chris like point earlier score is four one in one today loose cannon. You've got a chance to knock him down a peg as you. Try to beat the Geek. All right I'm ready all right. We got eleven questions. The one goes to Chris because he is the Geek. Are you ready? They'll go which of the following nineteen seventy studio albums ranked the highest on the US billboard album charts four albums all you gotta do is for girl which one charted the highest loose does he know it or do you. WanNa bet against him. I challenge bet against them all right. Chris. He's betting against you could be double the points. Your choices are deep purple in Rock Black Sabbath paranoid the monkeys changes or Steppenwolf seven sake. Total Chart Positions. I'm just GonNa take a wild guess and say the monkees album that is incorrect. Since loose cannon challenged you he gets point the answer is black. Sabbath paranoid which came in at number twelve. The next closest was Steppenwolf at nineteen deep purple in rock comes in at one forty three and the monkeys changes barely cracks at one fifty to the house as bad as you could be on. Nineteen the the monkeys random collection there. You Got Buddy off awesome all right loose cannon your first chance man you ready for this yes sir. Here we go the band. Mr Beg took inspiration from their name from a song by this band so when the name themselves Mr Big. They took it from this band. Chris Does Elsie. No Mr Big got their name. I'm going to say no all alright as betting against you. Mr Beg got their name from a song by this band was free. Cheap trick led Zeppelin or van. Halen free cheap trick led Zeppelin van. Halen I I. It's a perfectly rated ban by the way Let's see here definitely not up from a song title or from a lyric. We'll say song title all right then. Thank specify that degree that is correct. Kris against you. That's two points because I don't know any free songs led Zeppelin Song Mr Pitch. It came off their nineteen seventy album fire in water. Wow I'M GONNA lose today down three to nothing right now. Would a question about Pantelleria make you feel better depends on what the question is? According to I tunes this is Pam Tears. Most popular song loose cannon. Does he know painters most popular song? According I tunes are Eighties. Not Bet against you on this one choices are cowboys from Hell. Walk this love or cemetery gates. That's gotta be walk. That is correct. Walk is the number one most popular song cowboys from. Hells number two. This love is number five cemetery gates number three walk among my least favorite Pandera songs. Oh you are not amongst the majority there all right loose candy. Your chance similar question. According I tunes. This is the most popular song by the cult. Chris his cult. Yes all right. You're not being bet against be. Got a chance to score point here your choices are. She sells sanctuary. Fire Woman Wild Flower or love removal machine. It's actually pretty tough. Well I know nothing about the called for the most part and I'm going to go the fire woman because that's the only thing I really know. That's incorrect fire. Women's the second most Popular Song of theirs on I tunes number one is she sells sanctuary. That's what I thought it was. I was surprised at that. Did you better get back? Not Now I did not about no points awarded for scoring means three to one loose cannon and lead now. It's back to Chris. This question in nineteen ninety. All of the following bands were grammy nominated for best hard rock performance. Who won at four bands all nominated? Who's the winner loose? Does he know it? Sorry say it one more time. Got Four bands. All of them were nominated for a grammy in. Nineteen Ninety for best hard rock performance. Four of them were nominated. Which one was the winner? Does he know yes all right. You're not being bet against Chris. Your choices are Motley. Crue LIVING COLOR. Great White Aerosmith which one was not nominated. They were all nominated. Which one is the winner? Say the choices again please. Motley crue living color. Great White Aerosmith Aerosmith. That is incorrect. The winner is living color. I was GONNA say that Shannon Color was not. Who does a ringer as a good? That was a good trick. Operating sure they'd be nominated. They were nominated those raw nominees but only leaving color one. So points awarded in that one in the question goes back to loose cannon. Another award style question. Nineteen eighty nine was the first year that the American music awards bracket ignited hard rock and heavy metal which ban took home. Both the favorite artist and album honors. Also he knows it all right loose cannon. Your choices are guns and roses. Acdc van Halen DEF Leppard. They won most favorite artist and favorite awards in nineteen eighty nine at the American music. Awards I'm trying to get the Jenner sort of all drunk in den conduct accept. The award did accept the award on. I'M GONNA go. Rosenheim is incorrect. In nights a went to Def leppard and the album hysteria. Sa- Chris Deniers you and you did not get it right so no points awarded a standstill at a roadblock stumping. These succoth right all right. Chris. It's your turn before joining metallica cliff. Burton played in a band called Easy Street with two members of this future band loose cannon. Does he know his early? Cliff Burton. I'm GONNA say he does all right. And you're not being bet against the choices are alice in chains testament faith no more life of. Agony. I'M GONNA. Guess this based on just the geographical area he was in. I'M GONNA Say Testament that is incorrect. Shed Cliff Burton was in a band called easy street with Roddy bottom and big Jim Martin. Faith more faith or more. That's right too late now. You're not because if you heard that sound and you know it's time for the kiss round double the points and it's bag loose cannon online right here. Are you ready? If all that wasted time for my life has served me well. The kiss credit card was offered by which Credit Card Company? Chris does loose cannon. Remember nineteen ninety seven. I need to come back any point so I'm GONNA say he doesn't know it all right. He is betting against you in double the points. The kiss credit card was it. Visa MasterCard discover or American Express diners. Club man okay. I missed. I'm just going to go with these. A that is correct. Yes yes wow. All Kiss Round can make a huge difference. Chris did bet against you and double the points. So that puts you off one two three four seven to one. That's all she wrote for me. Then wow wow. I thought it was American Express. You're sure about that. I'm sure about it. It's in the advertisement inside the carnival of souls albums okay. I would have gotten it wrong if I was the one answering that one. Chit so proud of myself. All that time I was told I should spend it trying to get trying to get their degree things like that but but just knowing this kind of thing this is this validates me this. You're a bigger loser than I am. I worried that I was going to be too easy. Because you think Amex that would be kind of thing but then anyway all right Chris your turn in the kiss round double points on kisses nineteen eighty nine album hot in the shade. The liner notes included a special. Psa section telling fans. We want you around to enjoy the party. Here's how what was the subject of the. Psa loose do you think he read the liner notes on hot in the shade. Bread Larry Notes on bootlegs. Okay so yes. He's he knows this. Come on this. Oh this is rigged question. He knows it he knows it. All Right Chris. You're not being bet against your choices. Are the dangers of drugs? The truth about suicide a warning about alcoholism or the facts about as the facts about AIDS. That is correct loose. Cannon did not bet against you two points brings you back three seven seven to three and it's rigged in my favor easily. It's not the LUMINOSITY. But Victor has seen the cracks in this game. Oh my God. He's he's blowing your doors off and he's complaining see and after this. No one can ever say that. I don't make it easy for the challengers as well as we go into loose cannons next and final question. The Pat Benetton video for love to know that I should. He was going to brush up on my pet exit with that. Please continue kids. Say It in warn you think it was a real warning but the answer is Greg. Giraldo everything Craig. Giraldo was a comedian. Shit was the guy that worked with manager. I don't even know that Neil Giraldo draw. The weather sumter although that has nothing to do with this had Benetton's video for love is a battlefield was the first music video to feature speaking parts and a storyline in the main scene. Pat and a group of female dancers do battle with whom I'll Chris. I think it's pretty easy to say that loose cannon knows his Pat Banda Tar. But what do you think you need? Some points doesn't matter but I'll bet against aright in a desperate move Chris Sin Zach bets against loose cannon so in the video and the main scene. Pat and her group of dancing friends do battle against is it a priest. The police a pimp or angry parents while dramatic pause so he makes people think he doesn't really know the answer man. I'M GONNA go of angry. Parents that is incorrect. The ladies are beaten down a pimp. Wow See I did not know my pet bad tar. Is You somehow new? I guess if you really want to be closeted fan and you really didn't want people to know with that much of a lead you could throw McRae's get a point because he did bet against you and Chris you get the final question here after receiving backlash to the mislabeling of this band during a two thousand fourteen intro to an episode of the Simpsons Bart can be seen writing. Blank is not death metal on the chalkboard. What band is he writing loose cannon? You think he knows this and the final question. Sure he knows it right. He's not betting against you and he's not giving you the chance to tie it up but you can score some points for glory. His Birth Simpson. Writing Judas. Priest is not death metal. Alice Cooper is not death. Metal Iron Maiden is not death metal or ozzy. Osbourne is not death metal. I'll say Alice Cooper that is incorrect. The answer is Judas priest. Apparently they referred to Judas. Priest's death metal on an episode. People freaked out and so the next week to respond. They had burt writing on the chalkboard over and over again. Judas priest is not death metal that will be represented by misrepresent cartoons. Well here you go you question the integrity of the show but you have won this seven to four loose cannon congratulations. How do you feel like I said it's just it's just I'm GonNa have to play this back for my family for everything this is just this is just one of those things you you just talk about and you later on in your life you play this episode for for for my kids grandkids? So thank you very much. This is just my dreams have been fulfilled. Everybody deserves a moment like this in their lives. Do I feel like singing? Wish upon a star right now. Please don't make Gene Simmons Proud. Thanks guys I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on man. Go ahead and plug opened fire real quick before we have on the line. Oh Yeah I'm not sure if you know this but Cobra. Fires Accommodate Comedy Rock Talk Show with absurd discussions about music life in a knicks of classic artists and bands on the rise? Join us as we make fun of what we love those. Just off the cuff. I can't believe it man. Listen to him and I couldn't even remember how to do. Our little to sentence catchphrase by the way along with our noble show interview episode include Members of Judas. Priest's Kiss Anthrax Motley crue and more basically we make fun of what we love then we interview people to like. We wanted Eddie trunk and then he's on a couple of weeks later so it's a fun show. We did a little bit of everything that's awesome. You should just start making fun of every you know everybody you'd wished to have on the show. That's the way it works. Yeah I kind of thing. Was You know if we get him on the show? Great but You know we want to have our our silly talk about anything. We don't want to spare you know any kind of Opinion you just don't send them a whole lot of clips of stuff. Were they interview right? I guess we don't it. Come on who listen to US anyway. You'RE GONNA do a research solicited by a podcast called Cobras and fire the fact that you actually say yes is ridiculous. That's awesome but now we love you guys. You guys have been with for a long time. You know. We're proud of what you've created and you've kept it going for sure and it's a great show. I think everybody listen to this. Definitely knows who covers and fire is a sure about that but that sounds good. You know right now. You're trump champion and have beaten the Geek. Who is that guy that knows? Did anybody actually make points for getting things right points like the person getting a wrong? I don't know there was a good stretch there in the middle where nobody was doing nothing. I'm surprised your score even was able to get up to seven but the kiss round man and makes a big difference. That's why it's special. That's why it's got the music or at least the sound what we just did. Do all kiss questions all the time. No I can't do that. I have committed to something like that cave.

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Ross and Carrie Join Eckankar (Part 3): Sound of Soul Edition

Oh No Ross and Carrie

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Ross and Carrie Join Eckankar (Part 3): Sound of Soul Edition

"Uh-huh. Welcome to own a Rawson Kerry this show where we don't just report on fringe science, spirituality and claims of the paranormal mino-, we take part ourselves when they make the claims we show up. So you don't have to sponsor, I'm Kerry copy and tonight how rough house done good. Yeah. Today. What are we doing? We are going back to Kim car. So much to talk about with Atkin Carl. There's so much you guys buckle up. We are going to be with car for a minute. The next thing we did was just a few days after we visited the accent her in LA, we went to a sound of soul evening, which is when a bunch of people gathered together and sing the Hughes. What note is that? I I've been wondering are we really hitting the same note every time or is it just sort of the mood of the room. And it's a round the same note. That's a good point. I guess we could use the apps version as kind of the definitive. I'm no musicologists. But it sounds like a see to me. Yeah. We're thinking it's a middle sea-based based on online. Keyboard. But I do wonder at each meeting if we're really all hitting the same Notre its whole. We definitely are. We'll get to that. So yeah, we went to this meeting. And it was I don't know. They just gave us an address to. They didn't say it was the center they didn't say it was right this or a home. We just went for that address, and it was on lake avenue boulevard. And I'm not sure avenue avenue that took me to alter Dina that took me to Pasadena. No, no, I was early. And that was like, hey on time. More than on time. I think I was like half an hour forty five. And so I thought oh, I'm really near Romans one of my favorite bookstores there powering there. Book by the time you mentioned Romans. I think I was already at the location. We were texting each other. I'm early I'm gonna walk around yet. So somewhere in the back of my mind is like why haven't I seen Kerry yet, she go to a different place? Finally, I'm like, okay. You know, it's fifteen minutes. Still the event I'm gonna walk over a walk over. And I'm like, this is a dry cleaners and it's close. Yeah. So then I called the number that was on the sheet. It was just like a guy. You know, wasn't even like, hey, this is the ecm Carliner, even this is the center for intuitive healing or something. I might have expected. It was like, hey, Dave and making up that name. Hey, it's day. Flava message. Some like, hey, Dave trying to come sing the, Hugh. Are you dry cleaning studio, it's close round. So Finally, I don't know how. I figured it out finally figured out like oh shit. There's another late and it's an altitude which is a town over. So I finally got up there. And at the time, I arrived you'd been there a long time. Yeah. So what did I miss from Hamilton? Why don't I ever recognize Hamilton? Well, maybe because I'm not coli as impressive as singer as the guy who plays who what characters Jefferson because he comes back, and he's missed the whole. Okay. What did I miss now? I see where you're going with that. Very good. You you should play king Georgia third. Thank you. So we'd found out about this originally through the website at can card says so many events going on and also their paper calendar had it listed as well. That's right. Yeah. We'd walked away from our last meeting with a January list of events calendar, by the way was printed on legal sized paper parked near this low lying brick building had nine hundred eleven printed on the front of it walked up to the door knocked on it. And I heard from inside or you can't come in this way, go around. Oh, okay. Can't sit here the minute. So I walked around the side and someone came out to meet me partway. She walked me back in through a back entrance and said, oh, yeah. We don't we have an open that door in decades. Wow. Okay. I guess it's for looks now. Yeah. That's the obvious entrance store. There's like a nice little brick path leading. Yeah. No, don't go in there deceptive. There was already a circle of chairs inside this room. And I could see the back of that door. And it was behind some guy in a chair and be very funny if you can open the door, but they just haven't inactive. We don't want to spoil our streak of not opening. It's actually very easy to open. We keep it. Well, oiled. Yeah. I don't know what the story there is a, but the building itself looked like a residence at felt like a home, and they get must have originally been or a preschool will somebody said something that made it sound like they were kids. They're the other day. I was asked I asked someone later os this preschool normally they said, oh, no, it's a doctor's office. And they do things like Iraq, candling. And I'm noticing literature on the walls, the bookshelves. Yeah, I'm realizing okay. There's some alternative medicine going on here. I saw that you know spoiler. I will arrive later highs of it stuff too. And there's a lot of vitamins everywhere turns out, this is the healing arts center of Altoona their website looks like something we would have made for our naturopathy. Okay. Nice. Just the things that they offer to they had chiropractors an acupuncturist holistic practitioners was another category. And that included services such as ear coning Kangan water. I wonder if you're coning is the same as ear, candling think he'll at asked him Kangan water. I don't know what that in in Saloum light therapy. Okay. I don't know what it is. But I want I onic detoxification foot bath I've had one of those. Ooh. How did it? Go very itchy. Itchy weird. I will not do that. Well, I'll tell you about my original experience doing 'cause I'm sure eventually we'll get one. Okay. Oh now. Or later. It was when I was in college, and I believed in that kind of thing. And I went to a things we do in cold. I went to a traditional Chinese medicine specialist. That's a whole branch of alternative medicine. The woman herself was not a tradition and so on and she recommended that time I was like I have terrible anxiety. I'm just like so I mean, this is what my exert it was at its worst my early twenties and let me so cure feet. That's exactly right. So she had two solutions. One was Bach flower remedies and the Lagos Jens solutions, and they were literal solutions McClay, actually, you know, what there were three 'cause she also had me hold some device that sent an electric charge there my body and saw where the meridians were off or whatever. And then she had me take buck flower remedies, and do this I on foot bath, you put your feet in the bath it fills with gross water G said Oates Brown water. So that means it's from your liver. You know, we're getting all those toxins out. Okay. And I just remember them itching to high hell and. Inning so badly to get them out. Finally, did it turns out the device that they put in there just creates rust really fast. And so you're just surrounding your feet and gross itchy Russ. Oh, yeah. And if you could have removed my feet and probably still would have filled with Brown water. Yeah. No. Yeah. Well, now, we know now, you know, and knowing is half the battle. They also offer in LP which were linguistic programming referring to as bio reprogramming. Oh, interesting. Okay. It felt like a deeper claim than LP usually make those were tied together. Maybe not bio resonant foamy apathy, functional biochemistry functional. Thank god. Okay. Body mind acupressure. Okay. And like body mind is one word bodyman sound therapy, Rakia cranial sake role therapy and roll thing. Okay. So there you go. And that's just a selection of the things that the various practitioners offered familiar with a lot of those that we haven't sent all of them, but they're all of these sort of questionable efficacy category. So we'll have to go back. But essentially felt like you were in somebody's living room. Yeah. Definitely with bits of literature on. Surfaces surrounding it. But yeah, they had a bunch of chairs laid out in that circle. And I'd say maybe twelve to sixteen people. Okay. Something in that range. Oh, yeah. I counted them once I came I wanna say they're eighteen when I was there. So okay. All right. One guy was convinced that he remembered me from doing this before. Nope. No, no. I I'm here. The remembered you from maybe meeting in the spirit round that could be it. There was also another guy who recognized me from our just the previous Sunday visit to the center. Okay. Yeah. Selling he was there. And I wreck ignited him, you know, they should go all the X centers. They should call them themselves. So they can just call them all the XL. Right. That's good. Yeah. They mentioned that they used to have a place located in Burbank for thirteen years, and I guess for whatever reason they had to close that one down. And I said, well that would have been convenient. Yeah. You live in Burbank. Wow. There you go. There you go one woman mentioned her grandson. And I guess her son was also in attendance. So quite a generational affair for that family, racial. Hugh would say he was the only person there under our age. Okay. If I had to guess, and how old was this young son this grants? I would say he was in his late teens it was seventeen and it was supposed to start at seven thirty seven twenty nine. They said, well, should we get started think everyone's gear by now? I said, oh my friends on her way. She should be here any minute. And they said well too late for her. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, thank goodness. They didn't. She wouldn't be there for twenty minutes is she better get here in one minute, or we're not gonna let her in just kidding. Humorous. So there was one man. We'll call him. Dave. He was the ringleader was kinda -ficiating this program. That's the one I was leaving voicemails for at this moment Garrincha, and he said, well, welcome to the sound of soul evening and told his own story about sharing the Hugh with somebody that he worked with. I can't remember exactly what the context was there. But he said that one woman after learning about the Hugh felt much better than ex day. And then the other one said that she had more vibrant dreams interesting. Yeah. Okay. Thanks to the Hugh. These are kind of the caliber of stories that you're going to hear I'll always wonder when you hear stories like that really wish I could be a fly on the wall and actually see the conversation and see I sure sometimes remembered conversation versus the actual conversations. And I'm sure often it really is exciting for the other person. But I'm sure there also sometimes the other person's going oh. Oh, okay. Well, thank you for telling me, Dave. Hey, listen. Did you get those reports in a right? Yeah. The reminds me of something we'll talk about later one of our presenters at a certain Ekka vent who was talking about spreading to his co worker. Yes. Yes. That guy a lot of that that gets much more acute than this. They said, well, let's just get going. We're gonna chant the Hugh for fifteen minutes. Great. Also, we knew we had to get out of there by eight thirty had an hour. And then it was a hard out. Okay. Still not sure why late at night what someone else's going to come do something in that building. So whoever runs this place are they there do we know? I don't know it felt like people there had a personal relationship with the doctor who worked there. So. Yes, someone has a connection. But I didn't get the sense of the actual proprietor was less there. Got it. Dave recommended the sound of soul and said, it's just so good. Is that a book? Yeah. Okay. So. So you don't I might have that one. Okay, shave so many acts now, oh, boy, there's so much literature. So I mean, it's very Scientology in that sense. And it seems like everybody has a different favorite book that kinda got them hooked definitely call some by Harold run by Shree Darwin. Gross. We've raised the narrative forget about him. So yeah, everyone talked. He's racing himself from the narrative. Oh, wow. Very unpleasant impression. Dave also quoted from that book. I guess SRI herald saying there's an old saying that every cloud has a silver lining on a cloud comes into your life look for the silver lining because it's there if you can't see it sing the, Hugh, this is the real meaning of the word, Hugh. And then it was redefined as something like not my will. But they will be done. Okay. So sort of acceptance of the universe as it is. Yeah. And also, very clearly a reference to the Lord's prayer. So just an interesting little dip into Jesus language. They're you know catch. Oh, gotta yes. Yeah. Also reminds me of like, the serenity prayer accept the things I cannot change philosophy. I've got to say I like that. Yeah. For sure it's a good solid. Always good to focus on what you can't affect versus. What you can. That's a good way to sort of prioritize your concern. Right. So then we were told to relax and think about someone you love K. So all of you can think about someone. You love open, your heart and put your attention there on that person. You love it seemed everybody was just naturally taking oppose of putting their open palms up on their knees, which we've seen before. Yeah. Yeah. That separately. How I naturally sit. Okay. I'm doing that kind of thing sitting up Brian at your I don't know for me. I feel like that takes a little extra like flexing to get the hand pointed all the way interesting just naturally wants to face in word on the side. So I didn't put that much muscle into getting my hands. That's natural for you. Yeah. Totally know that takes like I have to put some exertion into that. Yeah. I'm doing right now takes absolutely nothing. Interesting sorry to sidetrack for a second. But I remember there being a conspiracy theory about forget who it was. I wanna say Jared Kushner making the okay symbol with his hands sort of lazily and photographs and people saying, oh that's a reference to like white power. Our and Skeie, and yeah, I remember looking at the hand of me like, I don't remember. It was Jared Kushner or not, but whoever it was thinking, listen, I really dislike that individual definitely stands for bad things that person is just holding their hand, they're stretching. Yeah. Trying to make also a good way to ruin your credibility. Yeah. Yeah. Fair. So we started our, Hugh Dave lead it, and then everybody joined in and a group like that you can hear people kind of run out of steam after awhile pause joined back in you. So we went around it went for about ten minutes. Not team. You were sold a billiards. But eventually people just sort of. I don't know like they stop and wait for someone else to get going. And there was a moment where we almost came to a stop someone got a huge going again. And it was just that same sort of calculus of okay who else is doing how much Hugh power is there in this room. Do I join back in or do I let it subside? And eventually, it did just subside people are always so impressed, and they made a big deal about it. Yeah. This was a talking point. Like, I I'm so amazed. This is so cool. They all everybody just knew exactly when to stuck as if we were all going like Hughes who. Tackling. Right. No wasn't that. It wasn't that. At all. It was just a natural petering out and everyone's listening to each other. And like, oh, are we in agreement that this is over? And so in David said in it's not always like that. Sometimes you get someone who's just not really in tune. They're kind of off on their own space, and that's fine. But I don't think it's really something to be that impressed by they were pressed I remember this from high school. We would do these improvised songs and drama where someone would start way Radha tad Radha, tat ratatouille, tat Radha tat tat, someone else might be going like booze. Anyway, you start making a song together? Eventually everyone stops doing it at relatively the same time. But it's because you're all listening you should be and use there. But everytime. Everyone would be like that was so amazing. We all knew to stop. We all just out that the song was complete. That's so related to the mechanism behind a cold reading later on in retrospect that was so cool. But if you play back the tape, it wasn't that cool. Right. Totally our mind wants to create a story around that. And then the Hugh itself was followed by about two and a half minutes of silence. Okay. So that seems to be normal. You just stop and contemplate everybody kept very quiet. And then we knew that was over because Dave said may the blessings be yes. A thing they say a lot. And there wasn't like a column response. And also with you, right, the blessings be, but we would hear that a lot later at this thing we. Alluding to that? We went to that. It's very obvious. What it was? We would. We would hear may the blessings deal out. And there's also like another version of it in a different language, but we'll get there. I was worried about you at this point. But I can just pull out my phone and start texting share is the wrong place. I was just getting my clothes dry cleaned at that point. I was like, I guess that's what we do here. Yeah. Well, you know, you gotta support local business started stripping only at the close I on so started taking my clothes off in over this whole stopping at the same time was seen as a sign of us all being in line with the Hugh, and it's intelligence, it's consciousness pretty harmless lovely thought, even if perhaps not accurate. This seems to be another common theme is that someone will talk about something they visualized, and it's a lot like someone telling a dream this one guy was saying how he's tried really hard as an exercise to just let vision come into his mind during these sessions and not try to manipulate it not try to push one way or the other. So he was talking about. I think it was even a former Hugh or meditation where he. He had seen his own living room. And then a dog came in I in his own dog. You'd wanna hear this and started singing the Hugh with him. I was kind of howling. But it just turned into the. Right. That's exactly how I picture it put pas up on his leg and was seeing long and then he even clarified. Yep. This is just my vision. So this didn't happen. His dog didn't actually but still the dog gets credit for this. And that's when you knocked. Okay. So you did the same exact thing. I did. And you know, I did it in reversal. You you walked up to a front door, and you knuckle. Well, so actually what's interesting about it is I came up to that back door. I really yeah. And then I kinda saw you guys in there. But know, it felt like a back entrance. And like, it was just sort of an appropriate to jump in one affairs. I thought oh formerly go around to the front. So I did. And then I think would I knocked no one came and Dave came around and grabbed me and said we come in through the back goop. Sorry. Okay. There no position to be irked by that. Right. Because all signs point. They should put up a little sons one around the back sheriff as soon as you knocked the guy saying next to the doors at your girlfriend. Oh, my friend. Yes. Yes. She is a girl, and you started to sit on a one-seat opposite the circle for me. And the lady next big very concerned about this on. She can come over here. There's an open, and I was like, okay, we can sit apart. Now, we can look at each other better. Yeah. Oh, gosh. This is so embarrassing. You know, it's coming and realize that you all had already done the thing. I know I was like, oh, she missed out on the Hugh knows. I felt really embarrassed. But at least I knew this guy will check his voice mail, and I'll have like two voicemails for me. You know, I didn't just see huts around. You'll see that you were doing due diligence. Yes, you diligence exactly. But very sweetly. He said, well, let's do a little short, Hugh for our friend who just joined us. Oh, that's nice. Okay. I just assume that would have happened anyway. Okay. No. Well, at least said that what we did too many, Hugh, and it was very much like the earlier, Hugh. And were you struggling not to laugh like I was. I'm trying to remember was there someone doing the tone, very strange? That's always really fun. Everyone else in the room would be giving various versions of huge. Keep doing that. Because then this other guy would break in. There's something to be just so funny about that. Totally someone every can't match every time you would get a new breath edges. Jordan. So I don't know why I had to really struggle. And I'm sure any Acussed would tell you while the tone, isn't what matters, you know. It's turned. But at the same time, you're in a group of twenty people. Of course, you're trying to match the pitch. Of course, you are. So someone who can't just like the poor soul. And I'm sure when they're recording their golden hue sounds for the app, they're tapping. Hey, Kevin just Hugh internally. How do have you break that conversation and Mike? We love your throughs EM. But yeah, just Hugh silent silent Hugh is just as good. But we want you in the rooms we need that energy classic, Kevin and Mike energy. There would be some of that at this fairy secret event if you will. There was quite a bit of that some of which I touched really, maybe we're call. Yes. Which throws me up. Is there? Anything rows giggle. It was good that you were on the opposite side of the room because we probably would have broken into a laughing. Probably we had made the blessings be at the end of that. Yeah. Gotta have that may the blessings be. So then we got another kind of typical ex-tory. This guy was talking about his truck and how it was breaking down. He just put a bunch of money into new tires and all these other things, and then it broke down on him. And he had to take it in the repair guy was saying that it was gonna cost four thousand dollars to fix, but it was only a one thousand dollar truck. Yeah. I've been there. I'm not sure how all the story is connected. But he gives us all these details and says, okay. Well, you got a new car? And so then I'm driving around and kind of worried about all of this. And I look, and I don't know. Maybe it's just that the spirit controls your head. But I looked over and I saw license plate that had the letters h Hugh. And then I saw another license plate shortly thereafter. And it said h you you. The story. Yeah. Listen, that's very sweet. I think that's more a story about his mind talking to his mind than the universe talking to him. But it's nice than her mind. Gives us these little bits of comfort and silver linings, and he found his over lining. Yeah. Such a quotidian story. Yeah. Boy. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of quotidian stories. But apparently that was the end of this meeting. They said, okay. Let's go back. Also was he reminded me of guy? Alanon used to go to Al-Anon like years and years ago. And there is this one guy who would just give the longest stories and sort of monopolize the conversation with what was going on in his life and the stories have way too many details, and it was just like, okay. Okay. Let's wrap it up because there are another twenty people here. That guy had kind of that. But there's no my chance my talk. So we mmediately broke up another conversations. Everybody wanted to know how we had found this because we were the new faces. And so I was telling one person you were telling another person we'd kind of shift around I ran into this one guy who just wanted to talk about day jobs, and it just turned into one of those boring conversations where I have to kind of manage your misunderstandings about what I do and talk about because he was like, so you draw sleeping beauty. Yup. Totally that. Okay. All right. Let's unpack this your wife works nearby. Okay. All right. So there was six minutes of that. And they can please someone rescue me, my friend Dennis by the way, gave what I think is a pretty good description of your job back to me when I was describing to me said, oh, so he's like the maitre d' of Disney. All right. I'll take it. Sure. But it's faster to say say that. Yeah. Everybody always wants me to describe what I do. I never quite feel the need to do. So. Yeah, I work in the training department, and we are responsible for creating a culture of learning at Disney animation studios. So we put on lectures, we put on classes, we bring in experts Eck spare thanks and people from. I don't know if I'll do that we set up film screenings drawing workshop stuff like that. I get to attend a lot of those film screenings could stuff and become friends with Ross you get a lot of free shit. That's what I do. But yeah, I had disabused this guy of picturing drawing sleeping, beauty, right? So there's that the guy who kinda intercepted you near the kitchen. No, he was still in the circle. I didn't even know. All right. I'm gonna use real names here because this was interesting. His name was rob Ross rob Ross. And then I've went toward the kitchen because everyone was going on, and I ran into Ron, and I spend the rest of the evening with Ron. Assen ating. Oh, he was the guy who had been in since the seventies nineteen sixty seven, holy shed. He knew Paul twitchell. Oh, yeah. I bet he did. Because Paul gave his first public lectures. I think sixty six or really? Yeah. Okay. So I've always seen sixty five as the data founding of the religion. Right. But I think is I like big lectures were in sixty six in Las Vegas. So Ron was in on the ground floor, and he'll get information. We gotta talk to Ron. Yeah. Well, you came and joined me after a while. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I remember totally and his wife was not an extra fire shoot. Definitely was or wasn't initially. No, she she just wasn't there that night, but she's very involved in Eck and car. Okay. And he and his wife were the first Eck marriage. That's what I'm remembering someone else was signing about their spouse. Not being an kiss. But yeah, they were. Yeah. That's pretty cool via super cool. And yeah, she seemed like a real chill guy. I thought oh good. This is someone who's interested in sharing information. So yeah, he was telling me some stories kind of how he got started. He had done a bit of soul travel AK astral travel and lucid dreaming, aka what was that term unfolding sharp? That's one of the more interesting ones. I've read aka out of body experience Melodist wanna keep aka and so he was telling me a bit about that. And then how he had discovered under his first influence with Eck and car his past lives, and how that was real I opener for him. Yeah. Super cool. And he said the Paul twitchell was just such a charismatic person. Okay. Kerry was playing Paul twitchell lectures as I came over to visit tonight. Not a charismatic speaker may have been occurs Matic person. But boy, oh boy. Yeah, healed right? Livery would not guess it from listening to the recording. I've now read a lot of his writing to and it's much more so Terek and sort of intentionally convoluted or. Than SRI heralds interesting. Yeah. And Ron was kind of comparing the difference in their to relative styles saying that with Paul everything which is so fast. Everything was on this like rapid scale. It was expanding. They were having spiritual initiations every six months, he said something like that. Where people would be just making quick advancements within the ranks of Eck and car. So that was the thing that he told me about that. I haven't heard of yet is that their initiations. Oh, you didn't know. Okay. Yeah. We talked about that at our temple. Visit. Okay. Yeah. I guess sometime within the first year of your membership and Eck and car you have your first initiation. And you may not know about it, but it will happen. And it'll be in your dream state when you're traveling on one of these other planes, the Mahanta will come to you. And yet at some point I used the phrase Mahanta, and he's like, oh, look at shoot. While you're learning very. Where you like excuse me. Let's talk about the hotline because they get a laugh out of the first time, I need to make this Mahut and work for me. You don't come up with these ideas every day. Then he was mentioning that the second initiation comes at the end of your second year as an member, and they'll send you a pink sheet. Yes. Okay. Yeah. This is all in the initial book that you get when you become a member welcome to the wonderful world of Akyol membership guidebook by herald clamp, which I've read very quick read. If you wanna take a look do you have this one that's the one they just sent me in the mail tie. Okay. How did you get that one? You know? I think see I went to this very secret thing in Minneapolis. I just couldn't possibly tell you. You'll tell me about something. And don't worry. It will take me several weeks about it. And they gave me one there. Oh, really? Okay. Well, here we go just as I was leaving today. Kara said, we we you got something from echo. Okay. Yeah. It's this is like a two hour read. It's very quick welcome to the wonderful world of exclamation, Mark. But yeah, I think they should send you this. I your membership guidebook this really gives you all the intro stuff that we kind of had to piece together the first book, they gave me is a who. Yeah. I can't wait to tell you all about that. Yes. Yes. I haven't started yet. I I taught you the easy way method and I've been doing that. But but yeah, I haven't gotten into the book much yet. Because I have a I probably have twenty books right now so much much. I was talking to run about that. And I was mentioning that. I had just purchased. They Sherry ki Suk mud on my phone. Our holy book. Yes. Yeah. They're scripture, and he immediately responded with all. Well, that's that's a tough one. You know, essentially, you've really bitten off more than anyone would want to chew. I mean, it's like it's basically Joseph Smith doing his, you know, trying to mimic the the sound of the game or exactly yes. Oh, I have dove into reading that. And I'm maybe thirteen percent of the way through it. It is a heavy book every time I think about reading maybe can read something. Yeah. Share? So I kind of put it off. But yeah. He was saying, oh, that's maybe not the best one to start with and he had his own recommendation shoot. I'm not remembering right now, which one he said, but I think everybody has their own little recommended books. Yeah. Well, I mean condition it should just be welcome to the wonderful world of act like, that's okay. Oh, I'm gonna just receive that today. Yeah. Because it's just the most basic, I wouldn't say you read this in. You're like, wow, there's a lot of quotable wisdom or anything like that. But it's just like here's the structure of accurate what you can expect. It's you know, it's like reading their version of the Wikipedia page for themselves. Interesting. I feel like I've put very little effort into procuring Equitor and yet I have time. Okay. Quite a bit in Minneapolis at this thing. I can't talk about. And if I have a ton than you have many tons. Yeah. A lot of Equitor. So we'll be telling you about some of that. Anyway, he was impress. I had dived, right? Into the Sherry Kice of mud. What else was I going to say about the second initiation? I guess that's it essentially. That's performed by a mature seasoned echo. Right. So not a shayla has you and I are Chalons learners. A wait. Maybe it's not. Hot. A ha in a there's so many little words or you guys. What are they called? I think it's a hotter. Harada there's an extra syllable in there. Somewhere are a Huddah. That's it are a Hotta. Okay. So yeah, if you're an ARA Huddah that means that you're someone who shares Eck with others. Yep. Later on all tend to meeting specifically about being an ARA. Okay. Okay. So here we go. This is from welcome to the wonderful world of what is in sub song class asong classes spiritual forum for ecm members led by an ARA Hotta, a teacher of at classes to explore the actus courses together. So yet someone who's high enough up to teach. I don't feel that they're above giving you a definitive definition for a term and then later on giving you a different definitive definition for that. Same term, I feel like both echo. And Hugh have gotten multiple definitions share do without what you will do. What thou wilt shall be the whole of law loves the law vendor will. Oh, and while I had Lessing speech, you'll as the service in the rock of attainment. We've got services the dual in the rock of a tame. What did I say you're talking about the singer Joel Singer Joel is the surface in their Aqaba statement? It's true is true. Now that makes much sense in may we've got. We've gets. I haven't thought about that. And so long. Really? Yeah. Love bringing you bring in the nineties say the body a-. They're really him. Muchness? Every day. You got me to the one part that I could actually remember what were we saying? Let's go just keep doing that different song album. I. Since I got album since I had run there. I figured I would ask him. Do you know who made that XM oil, right? Been around. This is important as many other people subsequent this Giresse. I would never think I wanna know who designed that. No. I mean, you're an artist. That's why it's just my brain would just like I look at that. All right down. He had no idea. But we had a listener who wrote in. Yes. Who prefers to remain nameless K, but he was raised in Eck and car, and he said that he knew on some level. Okay. Yes. I was in a Colt, but at the same time he has he considers it a Colt. He used that phrase. No, no commentary from me on that just yet. But he said, but they're so benign, they're not actively brainwashing. People. They give everyone a lot of free choice in the matter. They're not actively proselytizing actively proselytizing, but he was able to chime in on. On the Eck. When that Email came in. I was like oh rows will be so happy super happy. And he said when he saw that we had released an episode his heart dropped, oh, he was so worried like, oh, no. I was hoping they would never find Eck and car. But now he seems to be doing. Okay. And he said that lease in our first episode. We didn't butcher anything. We get so far treating it. Okay. So that's good anyway. So he actually knew Helen Baird. Yeah. And she was the designer of the symbol one of the first echoes to work alongside Paul twitchell. He said, and she had a lot to do with developing the look of Eckhart and wonder if she's still alive. She's no she's not he went to her memorial. But she lived a long time though. I think she was in her nineties Soka. Anyway, she also was the first to visualize all of the masters. We have all those lovely portraits of them now. Yeah, she was the first to draw them or paint them out cool. Gone through multiple revisions. Okay. I think Gladys mentioned that the tour, but yeah, pretty cool. Helen badass is a liar though. No that's from the game. Portal nickel Addison portal is a liar though. Everybody carried by gladys's stick for among I didn't and proud to say I was right now to hate that robot. Yeah. I mean, she is sadistic she's a liar. But I see that as board is a funny thing. Funny thing I'm playing with the funny. Yeah. Carey played portal everybody. Yes. I did. You can see it on will. What will we do with it? I'll put it on YouTube. Yeah. I still have to edit it together, we're having connection issues. So right after grab the differentially get it to. Yeah. Clips and pull them together. I I've been working on it. It's a little tedious. Yeah. It's a little more work than it should have been. But we won't. Well, it was fun. Got through the I got a cake out of cake was a truth. Yeah. It's true. In my case. I think it's about to expire from twitch. So we'll get it up on YouTube anyways. Helen, Baird hero to humanity. Designed the at Globo. Well, okay. Yeah. Yeah. No. And she was the first to illustrate Fuyu Kwan's about that. What have you done for the world? Okay. Wow. Have you drawn Kwan's? No. Could you don't need to? You're you're doing. Well, I think we'll learn later that the illustrations Eck can really spam. The GAM of quality. There will be a particular illustration and a bird titular book. Goodness. I've got to say at least Eckhart does really inspire people to create art. That's true. That is good. And that boy we will see a lot of art going on as this investigation continues. Also asked run why just the e in the K and the logo. Okay. When you say, I think his attitude was essentially, it means the same thing. So you can also represent the sound as E K o. It's still act. We don't sound is Hugh will the sound of. Sound? Okay. The essence of God. Right. Okay. But not got itself. That's other so many terms, and he was it didn't seem like it was a big problem for him. But he said the circle is important. And then he didn't explain the circle. Okay. I didn't call them on it. Because we got carried off on some other circle is import. He's the conversation interesting. Yeah. Us tell me lots of other stories typical ech and car stories where you talk about someone else that you shared Eck and car with he mentioned there being some guy that he was working with it was a young man of ill repute you'd be smoking marijuana. I don't know what he was doing that. This guy felt was unsafe. But this young man had seen the ecm car bumper sticker on bronze car, right? And it asked him about this. I think you were there for that. Yeah. And he said, so what's the second car thing? And Ron just said, oh, it's the ancient signs of soul travel, and then turned and walked away. And so then the guy asked him. Few weeks later. Wait. So tell me about this carbon oh seeing signs of soul travel shift pivot, and the guys that that's very root of you. Why don't you? Tell me more about your why aren't you trying to proselytize? And Ron said, well, if you wanna learn more, you can read books I've got him in my locker, right? And then the guy so I know I've looked in your locker, and I was trying to read that. Yeah. And it didn't make any sense to me. So. Yeah. Wow. Or just admitted like you broke into my lock broke into his law range, but didn't that guy and like being really into it. I don't feel the story ended up with. And now he's a and that man SRI herald. No, I'm not sure what quite the conclusion was there. But at least it was here's a method to get people interested throw a bomb like that, you know, the ancient signs of soul travel and walk away. So happens. I remember getting the impression maybe this is unfair of me. But I remember getting the impression that he just didn't wanna talk to that guy. Like he had written him off as like not a worthy conversation partner. Right. And then had to be like, oh, wait. Okay. You're interested in my religion. And then of contact me if you've got more questions. Yeah. But I liked Ron he felt like a really genial person blowing to share. He did mention again being in the early days on California before at can car moved out to Minnesota. And how SRI herald came in. He had this very different style of much slower and everything became more codified in turned into more of a legitimate organization. He was saying I see we've skipped over the ten years. St. Darwin gross was lead. Ding, this whole operation, but he made that gap clear kind of in how he was describing this. And I said, oh, so who was the second person because he mentioned there have been three so far three Mahanta so far. And he said make you says I did. And he did he said, oh, yeah. Guy named Darwin gross. And he had kind of the typical echo response. You know, it just shows you that someone really can fall from the heights, but he had his own thing going for him. He had his own positive benefits. And you know, I still see him out there Ron was saying on the web, you know, he's got his own thing going now some separate thing though. He's dead. He died. Yeah. I don't I don't know FRANZ aware of that. Okay. He seemed to be aware that he founded his own wit off religious. So he founded a thing called atom AT. Oh, Ron didn't seem bitter towards him. At all good. I haven't sensed any like outright anger upset from any echoes. I've talked to when referring to Darwin gross, usually and my at my tour at the temple woman. I think really didn't like Darwin, but others have been more temperate about it. So if you're pro Darwin gross, would you be Darwinian? I guess you'd have to be more you'd have to be gross. He's at gross. Yeah. I did also interesting about Darwin gross a singer and songwriter. Yes. A couple listeners sent along a song that he saying, and it is so my bag it's delightful. God it's right in that period of music where you always had like a chorus backing you up. Yeah. It belongs. In a Disney film belongs in Bambi. Forever darling by Lucian disea-, essentially kind of being Crosby sort of feel okay? Sort of that era. Yeah. God, I loved it, actually. So I have a book right here. Leered is of those sounds. That's me going through my many Eck books this book, my Eck master of fair, Berlin. Oh, I haven't seen this one. Yeah. Well, it's not something they sound Darwin gross there on the cover with the sweater slung over his shoulder. He's very cool. So this is by the woman who served as his personal assistance. And it's about just you know, you got a picture of her on the back there. She is lovely lady. She served as a system and how amazing he is. She wrote a second book about him called hero. Yeah. She is in deep and this was written while he was still in good graces with echo. I think he was just about. To fall out. So this was nineteen eighty two man. It's funny because I'm reading it through her is, right. She's writing the story. See you'd think he would come off as very end Jelic. You think it would be very positive portrait, and you can tell that she intends that but still she has to relate these stories where he is such a jerk that you get real x Ray vision about it. And you can see right through any positively layered on top of it. X Ray the most obvious example being there's a story where she Bacar one. Yes. So she's driving a car. He's in the passenger seat. And he would basically tell her he was driving the car because he's the master. So she needs to do whatever he says, and so she's driving. She's driving someone's in the backseat and Darwin is leaning over and looking at the backseat and talking to this person behind them. Hey, if you're actually driving the car watched the robots can road. Okay. So she's driving. She's driving. She she sees that she's headed toward a literal cliff and that the road. Turns off to the right. So the obvious thing to do would be followed the road and turn to the right? But she knew that Darwin likes to be in control so much that she can't do that without his okay. So she's telling the story, and she's like, I'm headed toward the cliff. And I think okay, I'm here with the living Eck master. He will tell me what to do. And if we go off this cliff, then so be it. We will probably lie into the atmosphere, and he will save us. No problem. How many people died with that sensation? What sensation I'm gonna walk into this alliance, Dan and reading the bible God's going to save. The lines are killing me. Now, sit there they they die with that assurance. Yeah. So she's headed toward the cliff. And also, I think she was also speeding. She mentioned a couple of times that he loved to speed. So I think he had made her really put the pedal to the metal. So she's speeding toward a cliff. He's not looking. And then finally the last second he's like. So she does and everything's okay. And she relates the story as if we're supposed to be impressed. Takeaway lesson here. Yeah. He knew at the last second to turn right? I could've told you that Bernardine, right. And you're not a living Eck master, m I. Well, you could be if you choose to incarnations a male in the future. I think I'm going to start telling them on the new living, Eck master and see. What happens? Yeah. Right. A min. Yeah. Let's see what happens. Maybe I'll write one of those letters to Harold and be like what's up justify? I'm the new living Eck master. Can I have the route avec love Keri? Wow. What a story. Yes. Seems like Darwin gross was a real character. And it always fascinates me. When you have this. Initial charismatic figure who starts a religion. And then someone else with their own brand of charisma who follows them a Brigham Young to Joseph Smith, David Miscavige, do a Ron Hubbard, and I feel like you had there with Darwin gross following up on Paul twitchell's work. It's interesting to that. Then you get SRI herald who seems a lot more soft-spoken slow to act, you know, right into template doesn't seem like someone who plays a ruthless power. Game. Right. Doesn't seem the way. I'm sure people inside could tell us more. But yeah, it seems like it's also always the way right? The first person who founds it has to really have some stuff to say, I want to get everything done really quickly and big huge promises. Because otherwise, how do you stand out among all these claims there, are you? Right. But then once you gain power, and you have a lot of membership. You kinda have to pull it back a little bit. Because now it's like we got to keep things as they are. We want to keep our stasis. Okay. You know, you can be a little cooler about our tenants. We're going to kind of ignore some of the things the original founders, right? Definitely see that happening here, pruning, Paul twitchell's writing. Right. This fascinating that transition in most I would say religions don't survive that process. But I mean, even Christianity I think like you can see that, you know. Yeah. And the so many early strains of it the died out. Totally an OG Jesus was like, I mean, there are some really great things Jesus said, but they're also really wild stuff in that way. And instead were just like his whole thing was low. We're just gonna focus on love. Not the came to bring the sword. Right. Came to separate families or die fig tree fig tree stories. Always the one that sticks out to me. Just like that makes me think like, okay may have been a cool to mostly, but this is your friend who's like pretty erratic, and you not take everything they say with a grain of salt. Because once I'm you saw them yell at a fig tree. But in his good moods. Yeah. Right. So I could have easily spent the whole night just talking to Ron we're getting lots of good information from him. But then it was eight thirty and they wanted to get us all out of there. And I hadn't even been to the kitchen. Oh, I had I had some fruit. There were a lot of vitamins in that kitchen. Yeah. Well, they have their make sense. No looked at their website. Yeah. I think they have their own either proprietary vitamin mix or it's like an situation where they've bought a lot from the same brand, Beth Pullman, right? But there were so many vitamins, and then a bunch of healthy food that we could snack on. I think I'd strawberries and blueberries strawberries, well, right? Apologized to me. I'm sorry at all ran out and said, no, no, I got what I came here for nice about they liked that. Yeah. Then we wondered off into the night that was the end of our sound of soul. This is also pretty near pie hop. Wasn't it? Yeah. In that neighborhood. Yeah. So go back to our pipe episode. If you dare, but you know, what Ross I don't I don't know what I loved this night. I really did. But I don't know if I loved it as much as I love brushing my teeth. I love brushing my teeth so much. I do it at least twice a day. Yeah. Me too. I like to keep my hygiene. Good. I just went to the dentist that's against your day. Yeah. And you know, what they said looks like you've been using a good toothbrush, actually. Yeah. They said, hey, good job. Keep doing what you're doing. Which was the first time in a while. That pretty shit teeth. You guys all right to really fight to keep them. Nice. We'll take good news. We can get it. But I think it's so good because I have a quick toothbrush. 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Oleksandr Usyk Named as WBO Mandatory Challenger for Joshua vs Ruiz Winner

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Oleksandr Usyk Named as WBO Mandatory Challenger for Joshua vs Ruiz Winner

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But Eddie Hearn as confirmed and reassured us that, that will not take place now after the fight who fights sick is anyone's guess obviously, we have to see who wins the fight between Joshua and Ruis, the rematch said to be taking place right here in the New York City area. We shall see, but this is what we're gonna be talking about the WBO calling down there mandating lowering Olexander UCI the opportunity as a cruiserweight, WB WBO champion to move up and challenge for the WB, L super the WB heavyweight crown, which is interesting to see what which which direction, they go does the. Inner decide to face does the winner relinquish the title similar to Tyson fury when he was mandated to faces IBF mandatory as soon as he won the belts. So this is what we're gonna be talking about if you're interested, you know, the number to call in one, four to five five, six nine fifty to forty one press one, one time, voice, your opinion, right here on the voice of the people hotline. Let us know what you think. Let us know what you think. And if you guys are interested in this and, yeah, you know, the number one, four to five six nine fifty to forty one ad Nestor gives on Skype to be part of the conversation, and let's get this thing going. It looks like we got our co hosts the great Michael gross away from Indiana. Ready to talk a little box. I know he had other things on doc or if not all pre-production, Chad. They wanted us to talk a little bit about a certain someone. We'll see if it comes up, but who knows. Action. Receives believe receipts dot com. Stand up stand up these stuff combined. Dot com. Yoyogi morning. Good morning, everybody. TBB universe back with another one. Yes, USA has been named the mandatory for Anthony Johnson. Should I say, Andy Ruis, Anthony Joshua because mean will be gone next fight? But yeah, man, he's a mandatory WBO does is a lot them saying if you're if you're a guide moves up and he was unified champion at the way below. He gets a outta Matic. I believe mandatory when he calls for so nothing new the Bill going to be very intriguing to see if one of those guys take the fight right after the rematch, Scott's not a pushover but he's not approve of anyway. So it's kind of the unknown always says, the, the, the devil, the w don't w knows better than you don't know them. Devil. You know the devil. You don't know. But I mean, the question is, will they actually face him with Joshua learning his lesson? This is. I assume he gets the rematch done. There's no rematch close with him. And he gets his belts back does he go back the same route or does he say fuck. It's time to buy down go straight into the wild, because we risk losing these again and having to get him back again, and go through the whole hoopla. So does he bypass him? Does he just give up that WB title being what he does? The WBZ title will probably give after the release fight, and I believe Idi her would probably try to work, your magic and get. The white versus Otake for that title, and give AJ maybe like a voluntary of before he fights. Somebody up again and possibly do a unification with the winter OSA white and, and in AJ. I think that's how it might it might be out. I don't see AJ going into a tough fight with right after the fight with a if you win that I don't see release going into a fight with OPEC after AJ, if he wins, because I Roy's once a hometown, visit hometowns fight, and I'm and hometown. I mean like Mako, I think that's a bible option for his first title defense. Man, I would love him to get that. I, I highly doubt the economics, make any sense, man. I mean I know we just seen what Dennis HOGAN and Hymie Monje Mongia in may. Go. But does the economics make sense? Are we going to see high level? Fights may go. Are we gonna see Andy REEs actually get a tuneup fight out there? You know, I'm only worried about economics in terms of would fight fans. Come out. Yes, I know that they will, but we'll the economics make sense to the people in charge. It might not be like a big, big name might be somebody that we know he's going to be. But if they were to put somebody down there knows somebody done for, for thing. It will be good for the re release brand. And maybe even pull over to to some fans over the states. They see a big gathering down and medico at us down diner fighting get a victory desk Macomb alleged. People say, why would Ruis vacate. I'm saying why would you face all exander sick when you can fuck in unify with wilder in the big super fi all to all American pay per view? You know, why would you go through the USA grout like you could do PBC on FOX PBC on Showtime? Pay per view, Mexican versus black, you know African American all day, the way forward used to do so. That's why I'm saying. Maybe he doesn't even defended if this really happens if they're not letting them do a sting as the newly crowned champ. He wants that voluntary defense and you tell me he's got to go straight into an automatic mandating. He's probably looking at them like, well, you guys don't respect me as a champion every champion gets their voluntary defense. Every champion gets to do their victory lap. You're trying to put me in right away. That means you respect me as a chimp. He got a rely m brought a, a point that water inferior tied up for the beginning of next year, allegedly. Yup. Allegedly, but he was tied up with Luis Ortiz. And we just got rumors from Eddie earned saying that that's not gonna happen, that they're not going to risk wait and see you'll see it'll be wild fury. So what if he's wrong altogether? What if it isn't Tyson, fury, and wilder what if it isn't even Luis Ortiz in while, you know, we don't know because nothing signed nothing's official. Year are Bank. Are you sure the while and Simon thing I thought he came on his post, and that I've signed these two and fury scene came out and said, I don't know where he signed. 'cause we saw nothing. So you know while his side but that means by one side, not being signed. He's not contract contracted obligated because the contract is in, you know, in the place into true signatures are on it. So I don't know. But looking at the box RIC, it's definitely nothing listed, for while the last Dominic Brazil, there's not be as nothing listed. I don't see anything. Will feed with the Ortiz, which is a fight on saying, damn good fight, but it's risky ad fight invite? It's kind of fizzling out. You know what I mean? Ortiz ain't been looking good, and there's no momentum behind this whole Ortiz wilder push. Luckily, we seem some casual fans on that PBC on FOX post saying what fights are you most looking forward to? We did seem less than five people out of one hundred thirty something comments mention that they wanted while they were looking forward to wild Ortiz. We seem way more, Spence Crawford, way, more fury wilder Ortiz hasn't fought since March. So he'll be nice in out of shape when he fights while they're in the end of the year, and this is what I mean. You know, you want this to fight you want to pay per view. You want this to be Wilders option. Keep him relevant since March. No fight. And I know it's only three months for us right now. But we know he has nothing on the dock and nothing on the horizon and Willie really risk taking on something, you know, serious from here to October November waiting for that. While the I think, I think he sits around and waits. If I was water, I would rather fight negimaki's somebody new. Iran. If ideally and white Dillion. That's the name that needs Ortiz. We seen he rectified, that when tease gets a win worth it Roz wrong because I knew Travis Kauffman Christian hammer. Yeah, that's cool. Those are three decent seed B, minus not even be minus, you know, sea levels C, minus C, plus maybe level fighters. So, like, bra it just I don't know. I don't know your mail. Handy though. You don't make that same mistake twice. You don't you don't go ahead and go in there with all exam, do six. So then the IBF mandate, your next if WBO is gonna play, you out, you take your titles and you go, you I take your shit back. I'm gonna go ahead and get into mixed with wild and get a big fight because by the time they done, what you won't have. No fuss unified. The no belts. Man, I told the agreement the B O is seemed like that they are trying to trying to of fragment the belt little bit, but been a champion we all know about, again, a huge push for Rick Warren and top brain, you know, because if that belt gets stripped, who's number one Dillion, white am off Tyson fear. They're going to be first in line. They're not mandated anything like that. But they're going to be first in line for that title shot. You know, easily WBO has deal why number one Tyson fury number three times Schwartz. Still number two, because this hasn't been updated since may twentieth. Once they update will see that flip-flop. We'll see Tyson somehow take that number one spot from Dylan and Dillion, be the number two and that will be their eliminator, or their vacant title, shot doing Tyson fury, unless they go over the overboard and fucking even even less. Frank warren. And maybe that's the reason fear angst signed the thing yet, maybe they, they wait now implying that out and see if the at the Bill will strip them after the rematch NC confer puffy signing Frieden got it amid with going wilder deduct make make it seem like a better or bigger fight. Right. Of course, and that's why I'm saying it's probably them pulling the strings Jonah see what they could shake up and full. Absolutely Toby agree. So we got Steph Fulton in about four minutes. Should I give him a touch? Or have you been in communicates have been a collision with? I had a. A reminder for your those who don't know Steph Fulton the Abio super battle champion looking. He's looking at. Gamma reading doubt in from yesterday. I got to think he's looking tops right now and there's no disrespect towards gear more. But the, the year we saw last night wasn't the year mode that we used to seeing you got hit a lot. He wasn't moving the feet. He really, really likes kind of messing stylized families going told her about the guy. Take some big shots and stiffer Fulton things he taking me. He he wants. I seen Hanlon with Regal's comments, and is exactly what I said. It was going to be when we was watching that fight Lavin calling out said watchi- say he trying to fight for the fans. They said he runner, so he's trying to stay in fight. And now something like that I ain't even click on an article because it disgusted me to hear the title, say something like I fought on in the pocket to cause the critic star and it's like, but you call it the pocket. Man, you weren't the puck with it. He got put in somebody's pocket. You me that he got put that, that give decision in his pocket. You know, we use the word pocket, a lot, just not his fighting style. You know what I'm saying? Decision came out of my pocket. You know what I'm saying, L Hayman, winning his magical pocket for that gift decision. That's what I go knockout Shmarko. Let's see. The difference co. They head coach continuing. He got that line. And that's kind of what we needed, right did because my man was he was he was did he was still there. My opinion. He was still all there. They his nice short. You know what I'm saying? He was giving Rigo the night of his life. Them to find out what the guy's name. And that's what happens when you don't wear. And now I think it's like hey say, all right. Yeah. Say her able to wake him to fight look like it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the hi Jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like, tell us what you want to pay. Hey, and the trombone goes, blah, blah, blah, and you say, we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while a choir goes, savings coming at ya. Savings coming at ya. Yes. No. Maybe. Anyway, see you practice tonight. 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Govern folk here, but back to I think. Honestly, I think is going to have problems heavyweight. I don't see them being. I don't wanna say big enough because he I think he is totally didn't Andy's is big enough. But he our nose, and doesn't haven't seen that one punch power haven't seen that, that power that lets me know that he can really who up there in division. You think of fuck with his boxing skill because that's the thing if you can't corn, you can't put him on the ropes how could you make them pay for not having power? He's going to be jabbing you and moving all day. If I was anybody who's gonna fight youth. Our go back and watch the Michael hotter fight. What are you paying Michael honor? Maybe he had one of the best fights gets that has had in his short career. So I would go look at that I haven't watched him in a while, but I do remember that, that, that might be a hundred a success. So whatever did you try to hit that you try to? Maybe make it come to you. If you're like wowed, or AJ, very make him come to you don't, don't go to him and just catch them on the way they want to, because he, he won't have the region vantage over anybody I like seventy eight or eighty inch reach in the wider, and AJ fury all got along. So they could keep them on the outside and keep them in jab will see, but for fight wide and, and we're weeds, and and Parker, though, the five you might be a little bit more competitive in the wifi to me, if I had that I would wanna see white for that the real title, and see how that plays. Yeah. Did you see that Frank Warren column on talk sports? You know he does a weekly column he ain't he's old fashioned. He ain't any Hearn. He I on YouTube videos with the common folk, he got his own little column on on a popular website. I'm so I went to I don't know probably. Did you read it or no? I read Moore's call. What he talking about. Well, the gist of it was just getting back at Eddie, Eddie basically did in an interview, you know, critiquing fury's debut, the five thousand tickets, you know, the pay per view and leads just things like that. Right. So they going at each other like, oh, well he shouldn't be talking about us because he's done the U K public service. You know he hasn't put on any good fights. Everything is putting on his paper view their focusing on you know that dissolve money and giving the public whatever it is that they can. So it was just funny to see Frank, you know kinda take shots at Eddie, but he kept using subliminal you know, like oh, they need to focus on what's going on over there and you can't help but think that, you know, he wants to talk about Joshua without talking. About Joshua, you know, but it was it was interesting. You know it was a. It was a thought on whether or not we should have done that one for this morning show. But I mean he was a little bit everywhere. You know, defendant his stable, you know, defendant Tyson defending the Leeds Warrington, pay per view. And the future of Raritan. I'm shocked that no one saw can rematch man kid galahad by the get brushed under the rug could get probably person talking about, h you're definitely get one. We got from Riley's. But how are we mad at Rigo gave with action would TKO? I'm I'm gonna say my said man on I'm not mad at what I've seen last night. It will just fighting the guy that we'd never heard of, and he was having a lot of success against I think, that's the main complaint, right there. I mean, I'm mad at Rigo, because I know that he knows better. That's why Matt, you know, when, you know guy got skills, you wanna see them use it, you know, and by him coming on saying that he was trying to prove onto the critics might be a little weak weaker minded than what I thought, if you fall victim to change in your style based off everything you read you might never find yourself again. Maybe he's changing his style based off the inactivity that he's been getting angry amfar on what if I one round but one around a got a out. So all active to me for the January, and now, he fighting again, in June US, five months out your but, but before that, I mean his last fight was. Business. If we talk him out Rigo, because he wasn't he will out now he getting busy with. Let's get this what I'm saying. If alkyl bring you right back in five months. Now you've got two checks. Why are you giving up your style? What makes you makes you special like he just brought you back. So it can't be a thing about not fighting because you back and four months. But you back out. Back. I can look and crazy Agan looking crazy. That's not what you need to be done. Even though it wasn't a gathered. I'm used to see I like what I seen night from radio. He was willing to change and really willing to buy their on and show. Man. Maybe. Oh but I got the power. I mean listen, that was a beautiful place shot and throughout the inside. I thought he wasn't going to be able to get that shot, because he was an old boy with clean shit on night all night. But it wasn't working, because it was only one punch, I'll hope that yesterday proved to him that he needs to let his hands go in combination. This cable was running away with the find. This was a tune-up. Let's just be real. He got knocked out his last five so now on box, right? He's gonna have to knock outs back the back. You know, only the us they watch this fight will know how difficult it was for Rigo, but it was not supposed to be. It's just wasn't homeboy wasn't supposed. To be in an eliminator would do that coming off a knockout loss. Think about that. They're marry definitely wasn't gonna be in the war with a guy that, that like you said, coming from lousy guy. We never really era. But then he got the victory, he maybe impressed, some fans. And by the way, the FOX car with with better than anticipated. The air a lot of nice little fights on their no saying that we enjoy special go to distance what a with a guy a keen black on Santa. We seeing Rigo have good fight with, with a say, and we've seen Jamal Jemaine Charl, get a hilarious knockout against one-sided fights. You know, all, but, but that's the kind of stuff you need. When you're, I guess, building building your fighters on a new platform and it's not your fault that that Harrison got a ankle injury. No saying for. The most part, we didn't we thought that at the Rigo five we're gonna be one-sided but to not not to be in the came black ever. So, like, I think we congratulate what was the opponent's name say, we congratulate say how for now standing performance, but we don't give credit to Rigo for an all action fight. When all you were doing was taking punches. The key was taking massive punches that level of base landing. All what's compu- bugs though. Check. You'd probably was out landed by one hundred and through so many. Yeah. He did a lot of purchase of. Hey did I. Regard. I'm about one hundred. So you're definitely right about that. But in the day man, he got a victory on saying, hopefully, didn't take much offer his career because it was a back and forth, suck festival hopes that we see Rio and pretty soon. Yeah. Hold on with would fucking give people that are his same size to fight him. Those guys fighting fucking huge, huge. But yet. I'm trying to think. The best in the in, in the. The kind words for for, for, for six I do think is a tremendous boxer tremendous, you know, nice nice technique night, style and all that. But I just don't see him then a real player that division. I know people say he got bike skills. He got ninety Jabbie moves around the rain, but I don't know man, what division I, I'm just the mindset that if you ain't got the power -ment on be all law Feis, these guys this not what the what the vision or the lightweight where you protector. What he say, Rigo carried the guy for ringtone Scott to he got to be joking who? If you trying to get rounds you ain't trying to get pounded on top of your head repeatedly with left hooks man, who? I don't even know. And if I did, I would not promote the channel I think he made a mistake. Crazy that. Yeah. He, he, he, he got the rain time in it that way. Plenty of rain time real tough random. Anywhere from folding. Maybe have you ever? Sure did. We will be going back now. He was a busy. I'm gonna give them the number. Hold on, man. Big ups for your show, man. We appreciate it. Got a nice story to tell saying started from the bottom west Philadelphia. We all know fighters who come out of Philly man got their got their grid on saying the tough to about. I wanna know where where it comes from. I wonder why all the Philly fighter seem to Canada. Same kind of IMO man tough greedy. Just never say, no north saying, just your heart from, from typic-, former, Danny Garcia. I mean Fulton. This goes on man. A lot of lot of good fighters Philly man I'm really in big up to Philly botchy, man really really really enjoy Julian Williams. Another guy who never say, never been been down came back now to time. Well, three time world champion in BBC start putting respective on IBM man anytime. Yachts, Judy Williams say the WBA IB of IBO champion. Don't you say to 'cause we all respect IBO over here? We got Stephan Fulton the current B O champion in one hundred twenty two pound division. Stephan Fulton man. I wanna thank you first and foremost for giving us the opportunity to interview, you and taking the time out of your busy schedule. Congratulations on your big win about a week ago. I believe how are you? And good morning. Good morning to man. I feel good for great how you. How you. Good man. Happy to have you. I want to introduce you to my co host. I got Michael gross. NBN a- might what's going on? Good morning mister Fulton. Other going brother. Good. Everything's fun. I, I where you were able to watch the gear mortga the files night. No that on the back and I really see the whole. Okay. Okay. Well, long story store he was in there with a guy named what's the name Guinness? Or who say how Jorges say north and he had a tough going back and forth with them got the knockout now he's WBZ a mandatory. I believe just I wanted to know your thoughts on the division and looking at the division. Do you want any other champions in their way class to, to unify which? On. Every. I hate to interrupt. But if you could not be on speakerphone because we get that echo. You sound a little hollow over there. You hear me? Yup. Much better. Yes. That she all the champions, every champion Moby Clinton, all three of them, the one who who's WC where you are is then you Roman menu for the WB all of them, as I can't get somebody who is going to be in the position to them. Which one of these guys, do you think will be the simplest and go? She ate with being though, European fighter. We got Emmanuel now about that. He just destroyed dog bay back to back Isaac dog bay with top rank, and then we got in the IBM rankings Daniel role mom, but he's a dissolve fighter, and we just seen, you know, Stephen Spinoza, head of Showtime say, the design has never really done business with a premium network that makes no sense. Well, actually. No. They don't share their fighters. Right. Everybody. Stays with them like Hooker and Ramirez will be on zone rave, ARGUS is a golden boy fighter. And then roll Mont again obviously has the WBA as well, but he still with zone, which one of these guys you think would be the easiest negotiations. I mean, what thing over so I think that will probably be the easiest, but then again this, the things that you just mentioned. Like put that on pause that does own and all the things like that. No, an ad from dad. All right. Save money on car insurance. When you bundle home and auto with progressive gotta take these. What is this? Where did you get this? I'm talking to you with the hair. Yeah. Where did you get this good stuff, solid? That's not the near that solid stuff. Progressive can save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. Progressive casualty insurance company Phileas and other insurance. Discounts not available in all states or situations. They make it hard for us doing this fight. So. So can you explain your situation with the IB? Oh, I know that you're the IBM champion wanted that day does that take you out of the rankings with everyone else, because I'm not seeing you ranked in the top fifteen amongst the other thing oppose the Pitney. Pitney entering. But however that go, I don't know. I will be fighting for another felt most likely after this next bite or at my next to, I don't really know him saying why didn't Kameda rating? I'm still but then majority of them in their culture team. And there's this rank fit every Bill. So that's pretty much. Dyeing my mother in the ranking it's me underwear, I'm right there. But I know I know what I think doing. I know without going to beat them, and they know that is on the matter of time before, you know, to me in front of them and in the whole Rosie's, and then they see. I'm not too big on the the rankings. So can you tell us about yourself? I just wanted to, you know, see if you could tell us a little bit about yourself because got a question. I'm just saying you saying that none of the other champions wanna see you. They know who you are, like, I want to know a little bit more. And I'm sure listen is gonna wanna know a little bit. Former up one. Go ahead. Go ahead. You're from the image. I want to a cook mass want start with the rain side of my first term ringside. So then when in on the nails holding Quezon I fought and WSB worst about I went to one in there for. For over seas different countries. Italy of been all over the world number two the country now with the Russia won bronze medal at the world com bait. And from there turned pro. Training can't close friend and things like that. Speaks five undefeated fires. Come in. We'll have another up and coming. So, you know, I haven't gotten in shoes because why why isn't this teen in oh? He'll were we were not in the ratings. Sure, I'm still can thank our way must do have to heart and why I don't I don't know. They don't matter to me to it, but it's like. When, when would he did miss Fulton that brief? Absolutely. Now reading story north thing, I've seen that you grew up in west Philadelphia. And by the age of fifteen you sing five or your friends, be killed in which which is shocking to me, no saying, but not shocking if you live in the inner city, I just wanna know how you your, your focus, your mind, right? And not narrowly feed into the negativity that was going on around. You. I'm had him. Like people like big bro to, you know, that training. So so indicate my need on focus, and it like God. Honestly, I thank God like Amy tunnel vision of block our things like, sometimes remain on is that is like that, like fourth and as I feel like I'm still in Inc for a long time, I thought I was going to quit, but I. Stop into something else. You know, I. Inside it before. You know, it was like while while profession qualities shot, and it's like. That shooter that even on a correct pet. Stu something is always to turn this. Make. Anyway, I, I don't know how going while I know why. Of my family, the money and I wanted, you know undisputed. But I want to how I got the bullet either stick three. All the mad order killing or the everything is coming up short in amateurs that, that meant to break in and train every, every fight mention things in leading up to Finally, I believe, more mental than it is visible. So get into us. Good, overcome news, doing things that you onto outside deaths in the family problems. And you can be anything. Honestly. It may more vengeful. So Stephan, obviously, you want those champs, but who on that PBC roster that we might not know where that we do know who in that our Heyman family is in within your weight that you feel you could get a fight with. I'm not even sure. Only one only one. How would you want? It will be rig now because he wants to the belt. So. I'll get to that. But I would if I am before to. Oh. Right. What makes the most? Rating. I see Brandon Figaro was in that division. And they've been pushing him pretty hard. What's your thoughts on Brandon? Figueroa. Honestly armistice pain. He will be like a paper champion in the fall anybody with going. Every pushing even here riding his brother's name, not nothing like this, brother Nokia movement. All Mexicans Mexican, you know. Nothing there special way in having for, you know, he got a win over Moi's Laura's, common opponent. He also Oscar Scott, Don. That's, that's a decent win. That's a form of chin. I don't got beat by believe. Gary Russell in the past and always got beat by Regan down the past which was turned to a no contest. But Brandon at least knocked them out everybody else, you know, went to decision with him. KP the weaker when put together, think about timeframe, a wish those events happened definitely definitely guy, their career come on being real about it. Is like mostly all twenty four. I think that's my he will be the main event. I'll will be on a card, well and tech, they're like, okay, do you ever. Be interchangeable championed. The up you'll. Why, why would he be the main bit? It. So there is. Sure, sure they're pushing, but it right. Who I would he be doing? Hey Andy, and it wouldn't be fighting him before the boat. So I, I won't stop stepping away to be offers. Enjoy. Come when my time and my time come collect. We'll come correct? So how likely that as you'd think those, those. Unification bouts are window goes guys get built those guys might wanna take a hometown fight before they fight a threat like you. Most likely most likely, you know, like I said before Mitchell, most guy to play hometown or need them do their people. Run them to keep them expert boots, not being here. But some people need to the mix of people to hype up in the background of type of support, you know, I don't need it. I appreciate it. Need it? So it was like those. The most likely happen for sure. Like people, I mean, they're going to have one way or another going to happen. For those who don't know you. How would you describe yourself as a boxer, or your punch, or are you accounta- puncher? Are you a person that pushes the action? Surround myself in the town of price. But then, again, a boxing puncher, but nobody has brought, you know, out to get to two for me this play those different towns. Like why? While bring it out if you don't need to. But then again. Now from here on out will clean the boxing punches, the or either leader fire. He came the fight. He's slinky. I didn't do everything. But, you know our this month of smart boxer. Intelligent box. That's why I was just. So I wanted to get your thoughts on Daniel romance possible. It's like ninety nine percent. Sure. Is going to be fighting as men nex due to a purse bid is going to happen, July second. I don't want to butcher his name, but I think as Modiin my deli f. Heard of them. This is six Becca STAN fighter. He's been on dissolved. He's got a lot of power. You know, they're pushing them as a power punches six five Cao's. He just fought on design, like in Inglewood on form. No never seen them. Never heard ever seen him. Well, he's shy. He's going to get that shoppers. Mount versus for them to belts would just six. And you know. Trek people on box rag. Listen, he's ranked one below you. At my deli. I'm not gonna kill his. We're gonna call them Moro because that's how I name, but Moreo is signed to Dmitry Salita promotions. Okay. Dos. I just feel like it's a dangerous spy Deutz been showing some abnormal power. He's flying through the rankings and now he's gonna fight. You know, Daniel Rome when you. When you. My, my, my, my personal late thought. When you say display, a lot of power look at who fought. Like a lot of people had power, but with before, like, okay, we probably for somebody five nineteen. Of course, we're going to get. Tonight. I mean this last. Last three fights. I get what you're saying, and you're right. 'cause I don't know none of the dues, I've been doing this for a long time, and I don't know none of the doozy's four, but the last three five. They have decent resumes. They will look 'cause I don't want a heater 'cause I'm not. But, but. And most people take what I'm saying. The only he hates it ain't about this journey. When you in the sports, Inc really differently. You let all these things came count, that you can't you can't just fighting him where you can't just get your wanna fight. You're let's fight it. You gotta make businesses. Everything has to be now you had it market yourself, right way. So it's like those fighters that he's for do they even have a winning record like dude ahead, one wins had more losses. But you gotta look at things like that. Now. Because you fight for my eight like my nigga he's fighting he has eight awesome. Already. So that's a that's a look at it. Now you right. I mean, none of the people he's for are known like that. And you know two out of the last three have been coming off losses before. I guess is that promote a man they moving and probably because how do you explain? Is about marketing and, and another thing other countries back inquirers up very well. I how they do that, by the U K. Hey, some of the best thing. But I, I really respect, you know, that makes his rob with and make things support each other these poor system, the, the cranes all of them. I how they Rockies. That's another. We heidi. Big because he got that support man. And a lot of fighting let well black fighting support. You know, you'd be happy thing where the on the talk bad or bring several down. Don't wanna be money together. So being all the different countries than other people divided from the different hunting. Eight wonderful support man. I loved it. I really would. Hi how the whole country not just here, sitting there countries support do. It seem well versed in in the game. So how is it the chicken and navigate yourself to title shot without politics getting involved without, you know, you have in the flashy record. How, how is that going to happen for you? I mean. If always right. We do things you know, with more than what we do. You might you might open a jar one way, the same way, but he's going to get open is always moving. Always taught they never could see every game. So you can't do I will the, those entering or or not in the wrinkles promise you that. And honestly, I'm more known for being undefeated fighters. Than anybody out there and not undefeated up up and coming undefeated process up in coming up that invest Bill fighting shoebox as like Josh rivers was shoe, top rank. What's his name topper, not bring your we sing? Pushing them, and who they're only they're only to me. Adam lopez. Same thing top bring I'm I'm being undefeated. Prospect of becoming Bill that nobody is beating them yet. Most guys when you will you beat a guy e eventually came right back and still win. And I not and I like to see that. 'cause I had this thing where I wanna to be the only laws I wanna I wanna. What would've you does he yell only laws? I wanna be good for enough, of course. Seven three with me late. I'm on BT's other after I wanna be like. Like. Known for I'm going to be on the apart. It I'm fair smart. It can't with my dad. Right. Nine a ranking but I'm ankles ranking they wanna see right here, right here problems yet, that this conversation at the despite all just you from issue permits. That's all I have to say about that promising so war you officially with promoter adviser manager. Colleen. So you have no promoter, and no manager just advised by our, our hands on manager. Who? Cool. That's that's good. So that's how you're going to get the title shot. Said I'm going to get it. I kind of want to change gears quick. Now taking yourself out of this equation. Name me the five best active Philly fighters right now. Active for you. You're going to have me Jay rock. You have to have Danny guards here. You had your Ryan. Them this right there, man. What do you feel about? Jesse heart fighting. At once EMMY five do you think he can possibly be a threat and division? I think he'll be more stronger in division. And of just he's just for and congrats on going, but I think he negative. I think. Thorough. Ramirez. He and he'll be better at this week that more comfortable more bigger more, stronger and. My pain. I gotta get one more opinions on one more fight, Danny Garcia, Mikey Garcia bed fight happens. How, how does that play out can any possibly live hook? I think. I'll never Mikey. Might see you one group writer, one of the best. From one of everything. But one of the best. Mike. Because early knockabout can't in San. Dandy on that fire. They might not about every don't go. Quite like giving them to. Bokram comport. So. Looks like. Got the teams that about it. I don't think oh, I think any has nothing though. Doc anybody in. We. A Steph my last question, obviously, I will morning topic today is all exam to being mandated to fight the winner of AJ versus reason. I just wanna get your thoughts on that because it'll be probably something you go through, if you ever become undisputed, the WBO wants Alexandru six fight the winner of AJ Ruis instead of allowing that person the chance to be undisputed versus Deontay wilder and know. The belts similar to what happened with Tyson fury when he lifted him from Blad, IBM did the same thing. What's your thoughts on all exander six shot against the winner? Whether it be AJ who gets the rematch or who wins the rematch, and then your thoughts on the boxing, politics of the WB L stepping in trying to mandate their mandatory. Instead of allowing the winner of victory lab. I mean we are high sale, but I think. They should've gave the shots at the water. I e should be number one. If there was going to make any mandatory for anything it should've been automated that. Should've been WBZ should have been at the he wa he deserve to be in line before Alexander any of them. I, he just moved up if I'm not believing. If I'm not mistaken. So why would you give them the first shot? He step in the weekly then make sense. You got guys who we work that debit cheeks goes on somebody that was undisputed from another week last move up. He just the first time. Well, it's, it's W B O the it's the WBO. So, like if you get WBO bell from Daniel Roman and, and you want to move up because you can't make weight, or you just want to move up. You get to challenge the champion at the next division because you're the champion in one hundred twenty two as the WBZ champ, that's just their rule. They allowed other other champion this before. What other knew that? Just because it's their rule doesn't mean you have to like it. Like I understand what you're saying. You want to give the most worthy person the shot, not just, you know, some. When I want to. I want to be. Mobile. I wanna be in other fire. Take me, I wouldn't know you mean I wanna I wanna get a couple I'm gonna beat a couple of people up for their by putting folks without. Kind work what we had is now. But I've stand business, I think, so, like, if not he won't make main street. He got the best. I mean he wilder and whom has the best chains of be in medium. Louise. And I'm gonna say that because. I didn't vote him. But I did think I thought, Anthony Joshua was gonna be them or knock them out where it was always that. Everybody overlooked everybody. And in release with HOV making ankles, Josh knock them up. But then when you look at his his placating, right? Oh, it's like you don't want to like a like a heavyweight and things, but throwing them Jones and all that always the problem to empty, Josh body, but out of the Muslim, but good. Yeah, but when your body late that he's not. And I said about the EMMY Joshua and wilder water would be fight, why because water is more exclusively. But he's, he's more string ear than Josh, Josh was too up and down body for backs. Everything's buddy. And I feel like we try to, to crude things. Always cut anything's. Always miss it. Never try to Cruces up and he. And, and that's what I get from late everything's body getting hurt. Source in. I'm sorry. He saw he cut you off because he finished micro. He's still got an answer who's? Rematch going. Exactly those part of ally, so who will out of ruin. No worries AJ first things going to be the winner. And then how do you see them face in versus? Oh, so. He's going to be tough. Month that you have what I mean by the time, I'm gonna go over we's, and I'm gonna say, I'm going to read, because it will be the same results. He's going to be explosively and then, even more going to everybody that I don't know, be at a politics on that. But he will have everyone else on the by. He has the people on the side. He definitely had Mexico behind. They're gonna come even harder them. They were here, but they don't come hard. We here we got are now going to come harder. So I think. We ain't release will will take on the win. The second one is well. And then at that if we. I think you will pull it off. Because how, how strong he also. Has the, you know, through more comedies shot if need be? Of course, big though. Inc. Really one big hell of a nights. I think he was like two things like six one, I think he was. That's all. Madam for fight we. I mean I'm six five though, so I always feel like people should he not as toilets eighteen that's for sure, man, AJ is six six, but he feels taller than six six like AJ got perfect pasta. He sits straight up. I was shocked to. But I was like, I didn't think that Ruis could pull it off. It was a great upset for sure. Yeah. Hell, you in her algebra that this has been the year of the upsets man, you know, someone you mentioned in your Philly list, wonder why have you just forgotten them or is it because he's prospect level dumb on Iraq, the heavyweight since we're talking. Part. I'm uncontained on it. Once you said that I thought about whom I thought about Jesse other about the our by air. But we you say the top who's, who's, who's still active you need your foot? But he's not that, that actively gotta be gotta having more exits in the like. I know type person we call them tight tight. You tell you I know personally, he's a good guy. Good friend of mine. These are nice evening. Is something missing right now. So missing he wanted to any set like it's I wouldn't even mentioned and who's top names for come in. I do I do what I can do decide he go, where he can do. He knows he know what. And you take what I'm saying wrong but let us in. I'm not saying this 'cause I'm in better position everybody else where everybody now hot. Now, one of the top. Who's the hottest Fuyu? My name is what is only something something missing on tight have right now here, he, you think is the promoter issue. You think is being with Roc nation. It might be. It might be it might be. Because he if he was eight. Covering things would have been, we veteran his right he'd be we more pushed on TV, everything would have been would have been better for them or. So let me ask you because we're talking in the fact that physically he doesn't look the part and people overlooked is that something that is going to happen with their money rock. And does he really have those skills? I mean, I've watched them fight live. I've been to the gym, but you know, I wasn't in the amateur circuit with him. You were. Yeah. He has the school is speed is power. He has it the same explosiveness that any reason he has. It is only a matter of time of who wanna bring out of them when where he played it when where he becomes with this in one way, and he'd be ready to take that next step to be displayed it or when he'd be ready period when he promoted in the ready to Schumer malls, late it. That's only matter of time when willy B. He's every ended the as the week he has the skill the speed that explosiveness but he's only time of win. Would he let him play this? And when will he's and whose body ready to put on a show and just played it when it's time, you know, when they get time to perform, you gotta show gotta step, so much more. How big of a player cans route? From the man good skills. Good pow and combat. Game the paint. He going is good. If you stayed on and don't rush for keep coming alone, keep coming along. I'm I'm twenty four like twenty two twenty three Mex Mex. So, and I'll be twenty five next month. So it was like. At the rate, he's going keeping like keeping tone, they want. Wanna don't buy one fight. You just keep playing. He you wanna creep up and sneak up on guys do secret that they knew who you are already. They know the everybody who everybody's is knowing me names. I don't want him to resume up in there too early. You know, he's got all his mainstream. These, I mean, of course, he's a big guy, but, you know, you have other words walk around them. They're closer to hundred probably I want him that the every be comfortable at that we clamp before he who's try to take one of those champion not saying ready. But, you know, I believe when things are rushed things happen. Like, honestly, I'm a good friend areas aluminum, but I feel I feel like no not this credit or nobody after like they took the fight too early. He was pushed to say that he needed to be a lot of push to phasing hit team or somebody in. And that we class for a long time that's comfortable with that. We know like I'm a big as well. So we pick one twenty two county lately. So. Comparing him with the first five oh definitely hear what you're saying. Right, right. You Tom and Barry air time. I've been screaming that man, put alone, you know, how do I get my way? I'm like I've been show one time but he got guys, right? Joey Spitzer we just bought last night. He a little bit more working on them. But if I did six five he's been with game, there's Toby's funds. I'm seeing on on three times and making cO may and you got your own. Last night. Bra. This night. He looked like he left in gym. That's what it really looked after the first ran. It wasn't even after the first round door in the first round here, ready had his hands down. I was like, oh, we was talking. We was watching it love and doing the show, and I'm like, oh, what's going on? Why this hands down already? I was I even played it off. I said, you know what? Maybe he tried to like Chris Cobra dues little show off thing. But that wasn't is he was tired. No. Right. Right. But that's what I'm saying. Like some guys faith. And then some guy that spotlight on them. Right. With the have way. Ready for that? And I think that what? You know, I mean going on a good job market, and he came on a good job with him on television. So big ups in certain I would like to with Iran in the more season, but he already will be more season and p ship before he gets his show. We aren't ever. Are to the grave and his Gus Amana jury will promote issues. That's the thing man. I, I was even talking to Eddie Hearn about him only on. Yeah. He got some shit going on. I don't know. I don't any business. I don't know what goes on within their can. I'm good friends with them. But it I would like to think it was that too, because, you know, here he was being moved very well. It was moving food up will be. So it was like, why, why would they flew what now you know, when, when right there, why was he now has an house things or an promotion thing? But Stephan man, we don't say much. We don't want to take much more your time if you can at this time, give out your social media anybody that is in file, you can do. So wanna thank you for coming on and hope that we could get you on more regularly, man. It was great talking to you definitely chill. And got some good box knowledge master we would love to have you back on. My name is Steven Khoo voice that fourteen on Facebook. You have act, cool voice up on Twitter and set out the man, I appreciate you giving me opportunities yarded who, who need bigger reminiscent in the game. Because, you know, y'all guys come out any fighters or had some pockets thing, which is them the chances play with. They can talk about it now. And the s for like if they've been dead even eating so thanks for taking time out this morning to you're gonna believe it. I have to get there but they. Man to man to round here when we were specked around doubt I mean. When do man do bang. Drums. Do got. That's how we got to be. Oh he's my God. Do the one of the people that work at the bureau. So he hooked it up from me Mike, but yeah, man Steph. Thank you again. Brother preciado it go get that role word chant. We're going to get out. Right. Yeah. My might. Yeah, of course. Coming up in August. Right. Okay. Already. August twentieth. Also dropped the name then. No, they're not up to his name, Mexican. Oh. I'm the guy. Is going to be for anybody who want to a team. That's the Earl Spencer. No, I'm not notice this. The that's what I said, Brandon figure rower. I think he'll be mainly on, believe it or not, and take. But, you know, air, all our prices will be televised. EMR's put shortly will be televised. Y'all are definitely ought to up the metro. Check that out and say. Good luck. Thank you, brother, the rest of your morning day. You have it, ladies and gentlemen, IBO champion Stephen Fulton. We're going to go out to. Why says Stephen Williamson is social media, though. I mean, I've heard it pronounced but I sweat if you play he says, Stephen in the social, or you're probably right in my bad. I, I'm just going a house Bill. Yeah. So, yeah, let's get out to these foam is going on drive by for sure. It is. Let me see here. Got all this, right. These sponsors. Remember to write his five stars on, I tunes, these calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning was good show. Man. Another day, another podcast, man, great interview with Steph and Fulton. And just, you know, work. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed I really enjoyed the interview. Yeah. I know he's gonna be on that Figaro card in Texas, this PBC, y'all F-A-S-T one called. I think like August twenty four or something like that. So looking for looking forward to that, man, you know, kind of been been listening to the show. I wanted to just give my dog on that UC mandatory you know, they do that, when they move up in weight heads. How Billy Joe Saunders got that opportunity? You know, when he moved up to super middleweight me personally, I don't have an issue with it. You know as long after that, if you're moving up, and you get that mandatory issued be against an established champions, right? So for to move up, you know, it's not for vacant vote how it was the Billy Joe, I don't agree with, with, that, you know, vacant I think the number one, and number two to fight, and then the personal enough gets the mandatory opportunity. But, you know, I have no problem with say he was undisputed cruiserweight. I feel like he deserves that title opportunity. And, you know, like it's gonna come. We still it's not gonna be as I fight heavyweight. I don't believe so I believe you'll have one fight heavyweight minimum before he gets that title, tune ity. But, you know, that those were just my thoughts, I was hearing, some, some positive some negative feedback. Some people weren't even aware that that was the rule. So I just wanted to call give my thoughts on on that, you know, mandatory position that the former undisputed cruiserweight champ now. So. Owns the Jim Jim Charl knockout last night, like what was the atmosphere? Like when he got that knock. Well, you know, I will say, I will say, I will say this originally, the arena was only going to be lower level. They open the upper level, it was not a sellout crowd. You know, I'm not gonna lie tell you that it was. But the atmosphere was very energetic. I feel like that kind of save the night because the under-car fights where little underwhelming. You know, Joey Spencer that he, he looked very sluggish. A lot of people didn't agree with the Rigo, stoppage, although that was in entertained entertainment up to that point, I was probably the best seat I've ever had. I was last night and you know, watching it up close and personal. It was expected. I didn't agree once KOTA came failed, the first time got the first time I thought it should have been stopped Jay, maybe you know, chose to let it continue. And, you know, Germain Charles day with most of us expected him to do. I feel like you have to say candidate, you know, one of the top knock out the right. Hey, mike. Then not say that was going to happen yesterday. And I'll ready seen. I even see Michael carbon, just saying it might you always in yourself and don't know are still thank Andrew to Beatty, man. That, that right there. I'm sorry. I'm not saying I'm not saying Jemil's was d- best. I think it's one of one of the best. Absolutely, you know is definitely one of the best of the year. You know, I'm not saying that that's number one. But now it was it was it was it was a great knockout vicious, you know, it took code a little bit to come around. I'm glad that because you know giving that one was orthodox south palm. Glad there was no cuts or anything like that. You know, because we wanna see Djamil return to the ring quickly, you know, as soon as, as excuse me, as soon as rooms heels up, right? There's Harrison last question Danny web on that card. If you was to get out. Rolley year rolling. Now, Rowley will be on the patio undercard, if I'm what I'm hearing he'll be be on the FOX portion hill and up. It'll be him. I think Caleb on the on the FOX pours. But see many people don't know you talk about the two Beatty, knockout. People need to go look up roll roll sent somebody to the hostile on that Danny Garcia undercard is not vicious to a lot of twenty twentieth. It was a decent atmosphere. You know, for to what it was giving. Tony Harrison did fall out the main event, I think it was still show up. And you know what actually surprised me, it was a lot of people from Detroit. It was a lot of people from Detroit still came out, and they had the Detroit versus everybody gear that Tony Harrison was where and they was tended. They was Channing Detroit when, when Charlotte was in a ring a lot of people from Detroit with their. That's prize me. It was it was. It was some shit spoke. It was some shit talk from, you know, Charles fans and Tony Harrison fence. 'cause like I say it was a good amount. It was a really good amount of Detroit people there. So. Danny. I'm gonna give people brother. Thanks for calling in. I gotta jump on drive by but. Maybe not gonna care flights. They come to the fight anyways. So, yeah. It's probably why it was a lot of people there. They already booked flights in. It's kind of a hassle to cancel flights and castle tails and try to get that money back for sure. Let's get this thing started. Listen, have your thoughts in order because his drive by what's going on? On your. Confront with. Busy day. Was going on its show boy, H money. Mr. does own the box, invoice, two thousand nineteen rookie year. And as I would like to use my boomerang I got a lot to say today. I just wanna touch on the topic will use getting the mandatory spot for the WBO. Nets always told you I felt like is the second best heavyweight in the world. And we could look into the history where fighters moved up to heavyweight, Michael Moore. A southpaw moved up from light heavyweight to heavyweight Beatty. Vanderhall feel. What about David, David? Hey moving up to heavyweight from coups away winning a belt event. Holyfield himself was undisputed cruiser cruise champion moved up to heavyweight became undisputed heavyweight champion, so it can be done a history, Roy Jones. He did it as well. So I like who seek a lot nest. He's an Olympic gold medalist and. People say he could beat the neck, the next white, the, the great white hope the next great wifi 'cause Tyson fury is not a good role model. Ness is really pathetic how in America, these people just accept Tyson fury after he's taking steroids and using cocaine and being a crackhead if that was the wilder they will crucify him Ness. We somebody gotta talk about it people hate the onsite because he's a black man. And like he said, we've been fighting Honey years filled this day this day, and we still fighting this, we still fighting. Talk your. I mean, he's the greatest heavyweight of all time, not, not just heavyweight with the greatest fighter ever and people should appreciate him. He's the people's champion. He coming. He does with us every time Anthony Joshua never did it a fight champion got exposed. But you know what it say to and I gotta shout out. Aaron talk to us. Kinda wack but definitely that for the Jeremy. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Bill bad with the Dylan white van, if anyone should be upset, it's to be then with the WB, oh, WBZ do agree that other caller, I think you sick and whites and five WBO mandatory. But no, the whole key of, of this is how long will we if you beat the AJ have to fill that mandatory? And this is another point I was saying is Hearns great and playing both sides because I don't really think you got confidence in a gay. And but he's still promotes Lucic. And so if lucid fights eight. And. Cut it. Supporter porter on on. Amac can't wait on titled today. You know what I mean, less you to explain yourself with some of these comments? These people hate where, you know, you're gonna have that time to explain so I'm not going on breach that right now. But everybody behaving our age money. Come on down show start teaching fucking thing. I wish other callers will come such facts know I learned a couple of things a little tidbits. So when the restaurant. And it's the same. He just missed the dissolved around with him. He just dropped some Jews. So y'all. Hate isn't their mother fucking stutter driving facts. Like each Monday do money. Gang. Cut it money. We got. That's ringwald Mark is DC. What they'll take the call? It just say the last thing you can name usually the mandatory you want. But that way, he don't pay him step aside money to go and fight the on trying to unify being named the mandatory. In this day age me that you get about two or three step aside money before the for the pedal, his but who sit got. Money chant who sixteen let's team put the petition in they want the shot if want. But here Nido, and we know that if he'd be when he AJ get like Michelle lost conscio-, because he really don't know why laws. They lose again. I would take our let them take the WBO to fight. The biggest fight will be want who give people put that shit take WBO foot. No. That's what AJ. Cut it scou- AJ was able to fucking defend his belts, and we should do the same. Come on, man. You're crazy out here. Ladies and gentlemen. A young fellow and he comes from the magnolia. Now holding down our patriot. Man. I just called this fucking I'm on the show. They still got people on their respect. We love all the fan without show. We wouldn't be Nutting. But you gotta on page on the get on, at least that at the goal called to the TV V here. When? Dave. Do they come you know what? Using E paid your own crying for that page. Then he came up that never out the line. Read, like thank by daily white, though, he'd been he'd been fighting everybody but on tees though, for the past six. Cut it. Car. Now the goal at the, you know, man, I like that. Joey talk to me going on. Joe? Wait. So people were giving shooting Joey is Kevin, I promise you, Joey is Kevin from Chicago. Say. Why are you? Comes you're talking about great white great white hope. But you got interrupt me, he mashed show you pieces. Shits. Whoa. Joey, Joey, I mean I mean Eric like name. Kevin. Goal. He mad that I unmask them. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. That's what he's trying to do. You try and get to Kohl's. Yeah. Of course. Joey, we got a new caller eight to eight who's this at work a lot. Make sure man ain't ready now but mention hopefully, I'll be ready and sore. Support for sure you waiting to buy all euro role. I was a twenty eight year old my second fire was twenty four zero and my last fight was a thirty six year old like I mean I work putting eight hundred eight. And then you let your age man. You personally. Just to Email to the world year. But I mean. Adam. It's finally I'm a week through emails at all. Or how can I can I can send you to edgy? I'm. I'm. I'm a hit you. Don't worry about it. Okay. Thanks for calling in done Don. Thanks for the important bird, like people don't realize, like, should help to say, a Ramadi open kind of should down in Alabama wasn't no not Obama. We stay at the Vermont, because that's the one that the fighters us like we might be number. Let me go to Sidney Brown. Going on what up. Hey, listen to Jay, right? Majed in Orlando. Man. Just chilling. Yeah. Burst. I wanted to talk the I was trying to find somebody at a hundred twenty six hundred thirty at the Buddha was over, you know, so I hit you personally nest but. We got a thirty. Okay. So the number hit you up so we could get dash shit locked in or whatever. And then man, I think that USA getting bumped in front of the heavyweight. So whatever is bullshit, because he ain't prove nothing. You know what I'm saying? I don't really care about what he did at the lower week classes. When it comes to people that entitled today position and should be beheaded him or whatever, you know. So I mean, I think that is bullshit, what they don't you know, but that's what they're gonna make it he here. He going ahead to deal with the RAFI can't handle it. You know. And we're going to see with this about when they get there, but everybody needs to like these videos. And, you know, if y'all could do little super Chesa, whatever do that shit. 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Ep 17 Oh No Tetrodo: Crossover w/ TBOSP

This Podcast Will Kill You

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Ep 17 Oh No Tetrodo: Crossover w/ TBOSP

"Right. Hi, I'm Erin Welsh. And I'm Aaron almond Updike. And this is this podcast will kill you crossover edition with the biology of superheroes podcast loop. This actually part two of a crossover in which we're going to talk about zombie in the first episode which was released on Halloween. We joined Shane Campbell Stayton and Aaron Darby of the biology of superheroes podcast to talk. All things zombies. You guys should definitely go. Check out that episode. You can find it at the biology of superheroes podcast on whatever platform, you listen to your podcasts and this week. We're so excited to be joined by Shane to take a deeper dive into the physiology history and Evelyn biology of Zambia's. Do you want to introduce yourself? Shane good to be here. Shane Campbell statement. And I am an evolutionary biologist. Hey, can Dr Kimble Satan? Please, please. Remember it? Also, the host of your own amazing podcast. Tell us about it. We do our thing. So host of the biology superheroes podcast. Yes. A lot of science fiction and talk us fiction, basically as a way to to talk about biology evolution physiology so on and so forth. So emerging the nerd multiversity over here. Yes. And definitely everyone. Check it out. It's an amazing podcast. Yeah. It's fantastic. It's really. We've been waiting to do this crossover since before we even started our podcast. Oh, yeah. It's been like on the books has been a long time coming as it. Yeah. Okay. So before we jump into that. We've got some important business to take care of the hour. We do are quarantining. What are we drink in this week this week? We're drinking rum for your life. And it's called that. Because guess what it hasn't it? And more. It has so my more room. So we will post the entire recipe on all of our social media as well as our placebo Rita for this episode. Absolutely. You can find us at T W k y on Twitter, and this podcast will kill you on Instagram and Facebook, let's let's get we'll move on. Okay. Hey, all right. So today, we are talking about zombies, and basically sort of the biological basis for whether samba vacation can happen via to talks in. And then Shane is going to hit us with some expertise on the evolutionary history of Detroit, a toxin, and I don't know anything about it yet. So I'm really excited because I think it's super cool. Same. I know it's going to be Super Bowl should say. We'll see how cool it is. When I'm done. Coolest everyone's gonna want to become a marine biologist after this episode. Yeah, I'm gonna take you through the cultural history of zombie tracing the origins of the modern zombie back to its religious and spiritual roots, and we're gonna have a blast because as we talked about this is one of our favorite topics all of us. Yeah. And I I wanna ask you something have you either of you secretly ever wanted to be in Zambia pockets? To maybe see how you'd react or whether you'd be the first to die. I feel like this is a conversation that I used to have back in college. You know, like one of those two AM conversations would we do you think you would be able to survive the psalm be apocalypse gay, man? Yeah. Totally get a machete and this and that and go up into the mountains. And so on meanwhile, at that time I had like barely slept outside but super confident that I'd be able to survive the apocalypse. Yeah. I feel like it's it's human nature to sort of think about these end of days scenarios. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's safe to say that we've all watched read our fair share of movies shows books comics cetera because we're nerds starts, but are necessarily nerdy. Are they Shane you're the expert yoga? Yeah. I'm going to put them up as nerdy. They're pretty. Like being anyway. Yeah. Another with that. I mean, I you gotta own the nurse. Exactly. So now that we are self proclaimed Dombi experts. I want to ask you guys what you see as as the unifying characteristics zombies or Zambia's as they are presented today. Great question to a little list. I feel like they have to be they have to be after humans. So they've got to be like aggressive in some way after okay, not like host. No, no coming after you for some reason. Okay. So driven by human flesh. Yes. Cry right. I think there's a typical sort of mangled appearance one way or the other right either. You know, if you're talking about the actual Walking Dead, or if you're talking about the infected there are, you know, there's typically a, you know, very like rundown like dirty clothes, bloody thing happened once you turn into zombie. Yeah. You you start to you know, you don't worry about taking shower washing your clothes anymore. You're preoccupied by brains in general biding related activities. And I do think the whole transmitted by bites thing. It's like it's become pretty classic, right? I'm not opposed to it. I'll say that much. I'm not opposed to that idea. I mean, I haven't I can't think of a modern Dombi movie that doesn't have where a bite from his ambi- turns you into his way, shape or form. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. So okay. So we have that their main goal dead undead. They eat human flesh. That's death sole thing that they're driven by and they're infectious or being zombie infectious. For sure. So this doesn't mean that we that. We just described is this modern zombie which was born in nineteen sixty eight when night of the living dead was released which is kind of funny actually, considering that the words ambi- is never used in the movie. Yeah. But that's so typical and I feel like all zombie movies. Now do that because they did that. And it really bothers me like in Walking Dead. Why can't they just call them? Some what do they call them the walkers, the, blah, blah, blah, or a bite or something good? It depends on the group every sort of group that that runs around has their own name. Realistic. Everyone knows it's a freaking zombie. Well, so I think in later later movies in between that time they were called. Yes. And a lot of them. So annoys me. Well, it was actually so Jorge Romero only used the terms like ghouls or flesh eaters when he made this movie, and he didn't really encounter the terms ambi- until critics started using it when describing the film to really only then when he was like, oh these ours like and he had taken clearly from zombie fictions. But I think it sort of he put to into together after the fact, so he didn't know he was making these ambi- movie until after it was already made. Well, no, I don't think that's necessarily true. I just don't know if if he would have called them zombies or brand new creature because he did definitely take from zombie fascinating film. Okay. So okay. So if you haven't seen the movie which Aaron and I've just watched it yesterday for research. The plot. Revolves around a group of people hiding out in a house somewhere in Pennsylvania as reanimated corpses. Doodo radiation accident swarm around the house, his movie effectively began or created entire new sub genre of horror movie Romero and his co writer. John Russo drew from a bunch of sources as I mentioned for inspiration, including his ambi- called white zombie which I'll talk more about later, and I am legend the book by Richard Matheson about a plague of vampires, but neither living dead was something really brand new in many ways. This was the first movie to depict zombies as flesh-eating as outnumbering people as not controlled by an outside force as being contagious and a government struggling to maintain control. This was a far cry from the early depictions of zombies in Hollywood movies, this movie in many zombie movies that followed us. As as a metaphor for whatever was really threatening society or humanity such as unchecked consumerism, the violence, Vietnam war or the resistance against America, the threat of nuclear war, racial inequality. And so on. In modern zombie movies. Zombies are used to expose the true nature of humanity. How are people going to react in a crisis? And it's not just using zombies as this apocalyptic backdrop design themselves are scary because they occupy this uncanny valley where the familiar appearance of your neighbors or friends or spouse or child suddenly becomes horrifying when they're trying to eat your brains. All of a sudden, then you have to shoot him in the head as a pretty common trope, right? There's always that moment where you know, there's his ambi- horde and they're trying to get away. And then you see the face in the horde. That's, you know, your best friend, or, you know, the person who used to love and you're like, oh, but but Suzy how to be in in Susie chomps down on your jugular and then done yet. So an all of these characteristics of modern zombie movies. Have the end result of making you scared of zombies not. Of becoming ambi-? So you're more scared of the zone attacking you rather than of actually becoming one. I feel interesting. So before night of the living dead, though, the perception of zombies in western culture, was totally different the modern zombie actually has its roots in Haiti and to understand how the Haitian zombie was warped misappropriated into what we know is today we have to go back a bit to the history of Haiti itself. Also, I just wanna say that I'm totally out of my depth here. And I'm probably gonna miss them stuff. But I'm into the best. I can. So if there are any corrections, please send them our way as way. Yeah. Okay. At the beginning. Christopher columbus. Guy. Landed on the island of Hispaniola, which Haiti is the western third of Hispaniola, which with the eastern two-third being the Dominican Republic during his first transient voyage in fourteen ninety two as you can imagine he instantly claimed it for Spain set up camps there and introduced diseases that led to nearly the entire indigenous population of Taino and arak being wiped out. Check our smallpox episode three. If you're interested in more. And with many of the rest of the indigenous population being enslaved. Over the next couple of centuries, French English and Dutch pirates that bases on the remote. Western and northern coast of Hispaniola, which grew as a trading hub throughout the sixteen hundreds while Spanish control lessened in the early seventeen hundreds the French had taken control of the western part, which would later become Haiti. They ramped up export and production. And by the mid seventeen hundred the small piece of land was responsible for producing sixty percents of the world's coffee. Whoa. Yeah. And more sugar than all the British Caribbean possessions, quote, unquote, combined wounded, yeah, I didn't know any of that. Can you guess how it got to be so productive slave labor? Unbelievable amounts of slave labor slaves on these plantations retreated so terribly enforced to live under such horrific conditions that at least seventeen thousand slaves died each year wool and the death rate out past the Burr. Birth-rate eight percent to one percent. My god. It's yeah. Every year the number of people enslaved and taken from Africa to work in the French colony increased with around forty thousand slaves brought over every year in the years leading up to the Haitian revolution on the eve of the revolution. Thirty two thousand white colonists ruled over nearly five hundred thousand slaves the majority of which were born in Africa like three quarters do. So they killed off everyone who lived there. And then they just kept shipping over more human beings than they just murdered. Well, seventeen ninety one comes around. And this marks the start of a twelve year revolution that would lead to the formation of an independent Haiti which was huge. This is the second oldest independent nation in the western hemisphere. Whoa. Yeah. Tell me the year again seventeen ninety one marks the beginning of that revolution. Thank you. So I talked a little bit actually about the Haitian revolution. In our episode on yellow fever. Oh and the possible but debated role that the that yellow fever played in destroying French troops. When trying to quash the rebellion. But the so the takeaway from all of this is that the free country of Haiti was largely composed of people who were born in Africa and had fought very hard for their freedom in the decade leading up to the revolution of religion had taken shape to unify everyone which drew heavily from some religions in west Africa, including the fun people living in the area. We call Benin the your Rupa people. In Julia and the Congo peoples in Angola and bus ie air. And also this religion incorporated elements of Catholicism and indigenous Hainault beliefs and practices. Yeah. So it was really kind of this very interesting mix. And after the revolution the US in Europe, effectively cut contact with eighty there were like note, you're on your own and they prevented trade from happening. And they also didn't allow any Catholic priest to go to the country, which French the French had set up as a Catholic colony. So as result Haitian culture is really strongly influenced by traditions and practices directly from different African cultures. Without the sustained colonial presence quashing. His influences the way some other Caribbean nations were wow. Yeah. To this religion or more, accurately spiritual experience continued to develop an known as as voted to those outside of it. So if you are someone who practices voter, you don't call it Votto, it's just your spiritual experience. It's serving the spirits. I'm not gonna go into any real details of odu because there are many great resources for that me not being one of them. But I will say that voting is this is a spiritual system focused on healing, and spirituality zombies or vacation are not a part of odu as it is practiced rather zombie making is considered a folk religious practice that derives from Votto, but isn't a part of it. Okay. So just wanted to make that clear. So what is AVI, then in Haitian culture question? Love it asked and answered and complimented. Great self compliment. Well, the words ambi- probably came from the west African Kongo words and Sabi in zombie which is God or spirit of a dead person and zoom be which means fetish. Zombie is created by Boko, which is basically a priest to practices sore Serie. They're two types of Zambia's one is on B, Astro, which is the soul of deceased person that the Boko can use to enhance his powers, and the other is the one that we are more familiar with the ambi- of flesh this corP. Zombie is one who has either been raised from the dead or is made to appear dead and then awakened or reanimated by Boko. So this samba flesh has no will and is under complete control by the Bogor who uses his ambi- to do his bidding which often Volve laboring in some way. And so the threat of Haitians vacation is different than this. Modern Zomba fixation is in the movies. The loss of atonomy being forced to work against your will loss of contact with family and loved ones. These are the consequences of becoming a Haitian zombie which makes sense for a country with such a horrific history of slavery in contrast with the modern zombie becoming a Haitian zombie is scarier than the Sombat self. So you're more scared of becoming his ambi- than you are of Dombi. Right. That's as may sense. Yeah. I now understand how why you made that distinction earlier 'cause I was like on wanna become a. But now more than. So how did the modern zombie evolved from this well in characteristic, manifest any form the US invaded unoccupied Haiti from nineteen fifteen to nineteen thirty four classic. During the occupation a bunch of ethnographers and writers, including Zora Neale hurston who wrote one of the first books on Votto, and Haitian culture came to Haiti an exported stories of zombies. Many were very sensational is which kind of gave rise to this like fear and other nits of Votto in US culture in western culture, in general, one of these stories was by a man named William Seabrook who wrote a sensationalist book called the magic island in one shafter Seabrook describe seeing zombie master controlling a group of zombies to labor for free. This was turned into a movie called white zombie which has all kinds of racist and sexist under guess, not really undertones like overdone overtones. Yes. Sorry. So. Yeah. In in white zombie does ambi- are catatonic and completely under control of the Boker. And this was the prevailing image of zombies in western culture until Romero changed the game with night of the living dead. Interesting. We're still missing though, piece of the puzzle which is the how of ambience so what is the medical basis for vacation, bro? And I think it's also just at an impasse ingwer thinking about why researchers and I'm including us in this feel the need to demystify, some cultural or spiritual practices to reduce them to compounds or chemicals or oh will this happens. This is how it can happen in reality. You know, and that's just something to kind of wanted to say about 'cause it was kind of after reading way Davis's books. I was like why are you? What why why? Yeah. No. So you question. Okay. So that aside in general back disease? There are two basic ideas as to how zombies are created. Okay. Give them to me. Okay. One basically says this Haitian of one basically says that zombies are created through spiritual belief, and that often so called zombies are cases of mental illness and deprivation, the other focuses more on the medical basis of affiliation belong to the second category is way Davis as a grad student way. Davis went down to Haiti in the nineteen eighties seeking to uncover the truth about Zomba vacation in particular, whether it exists at all, and whether there was a plant or animal based compound that can actually cause zombie like state and people in his journeys. He came across the story of a man whose name, I will definitely mess up the pronunciation of Clare via Sner SIS. You tried who had emerged after years. Sixteen years actually of allegedly being kept in zombie like state and forced to work, and he had been confirmed to have died and been buried so this is like nineteen sixty two. I think is when he was buried. Okay. And then only to emerge sixteen years later, he died and was buried in sixteen years later, he came up. No sixteen years later. He sort of reemerged into society society got it. Okay. He was buried for sixteen years though. No, no, no. I would call s on then. Well, anyway, so Davis sought to find out how this could have happened, and he was able to gain access to various quote zombie powders and to observe their preparation the contents of these powders varied region by region, but he found that a few ingredients were always present among them human remains cane toad. The highlight tree frog and various species of pufferfish pufferfish you saying in examining each of these he found one likely candidate for making someone appeared the pufferfish which contains a compound known as to try to talk sin do Davis alleged that this toxin when given to the intended zombie could imitate deaths that the person could be buried and then dug up and held under controlled by the use of other compounds including the deter plant. Erin, please tell us how to try to toxin works, and whether it is the true zombie powder. I'm love to. New Year's resolutions. Don't usually stick. I usually make a resolution that I'm going to make resolutions. 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And I'm excited for the medical. Okay. Speed through this. No, I can't wait visionary history. That's what I wanna hear listen. Okay. So let me give you the briefest of rundowns to Troja talks in acts on something called your sodium channels. Cool of us didn't plan that. It's less cool. Now that you've said it. Again, if you wanna primer on sodium channels, I really feel like I did a great job explaining them. 'cause I got real stoked on them in the last episode, you explained it really well, thank you, basically for those of you who are like stop talking about. I'm not gonna go. Listen that up or like, I listen to it. And I don't remember thing because you did a crappy job of explaining it. Sodium channels are these channels that are on your nerve cells and your muscle cells, and you need to have them open and close at certain times to have nervous system impulses, actually, transmit to your muscle cells to cause things like muscle contractions. If you wanna lift your arm or move your finger or talk with your mouth, you need the sodium channels to be working that the briefest of run-up, I can give low. Ticha toxin is a compound which binds directly to these sodium channels and blocks them that's pretty bad. It's not great. Let me tell you. It's not great, it blocks them. And what that means is that sodium can no longer get in. If sodium can't get in your nerve impulses are not traveling. Your muscles are not contracting your parallel. Yes. Does what it is? And the thing that makes this different than acolyte, which is the compound in wolf Spain that we talked about in the crossover with Matt is that it's. Way more gnarly way, more potent. What does that mean? Let me tell you. I wrote some numbers down. Okay. Good 'cause I have fun with this. If you could think of a compound, that's really really poisonous that could kill you really easily. Don't guess 'cause you might guess wrong. I'm gonna tell you it sign. Would you have guessed that absolutely cool, so cyanide all the answers all the time Sinai? Get out of my head. Science is a compound that everyone knows like if you hear the word cyanide. Even if you have no idea how it works or what it does, you know, like don't like drink that is gonna kill you really quickly apple seeds, exactly. So if I wanted to kill myself. No if you wanted to kill me with cyanide, you would need at least five hundred and forty six milligrams of cyanide. What does that look like? Well creek question a teaspoon of salt is five ish grams. So that's like five thousand milligrams. So it's tiny amount. Okay. So it's like a little liquor ten dash. Yes. It's a dash of cyanide. That's all you would need to kill it. Even sprinkle sprinkle less than a sprink-. Okay. Okay. If you wanted to kill me with Ticha toxin, twenty two milligrams. How would you even measure that? I don't I'd really tried hard to think of a way to quantify this people. He'll you to kill me with Ta-talk Zain twenty two grams way, we grams or milligrams. Sorry milligram. Oh, great. A lot of teeth. No, it's very few c- spin. Yeah. Right. So and the reason is because unlike acolyte or other there's actually a ridiculous amount of toxins and Shane I don't know if you're going to touch on this at all I have a feeling you are how many different organisms produce compounds which bind to sodium channels. It's a lot. It is a lot. Yeah. And it's a very diverse set of creatures. Yeah. Which is so interesting because the thing is we all have sodium channels like a like, I said in the -mongst episode insects have sodium raise, right? So it's this very universal thing that if you can attack that Sony channel, you can attack absolutely anything. So, but to toxin is so good at binding to these sodium channels that we actually classify sodium channels there's a lot of different types like sort of subsets of sodium channels that work better like these ones are on. Your muscles in these ones are on your nerves, but there's kind of two broad categories one to try to talk fin sensitive one two zero two toxin resistant. That's how we classify sodium channels because that's how strongly to tro toxin vines. So we basically like all of these different types of sodium channels. We divide them into control toxin bind or can it. Not. Right. Isn't that? Cool. It's amazing. Yeah. It's super cool dinner. So I know you really wanna know what happens to you. If you take a bite of pufferfish just like out of the ocean, just like the liver. Gimme the liver. Here we go if you ingest this generally within half an hour off unless the first symptom that you'll have is para Sesia, which is a fancy silly medical word for your lips star tingling, and they get a little numb. And maybe they feel Bernie and like dislike something's not right in your lips. And then that might start to spread and then you might start salivating Allott, and then you might start sweating, and then you'll get a headache because you're like what's going on to me. And then you'll feel really weak and God, it's like a subway and you'll get serious. Subway sandwiches. Yes, not endorsed guys. Because I've gotten food poisoning a number of times. Yes subway, sandwiches, and so far. That's where it sounds. Okay. Well, and then you'll start to get a tremor. And then paralysis. That's so no good. No good. And the thing that gets really dangerous, and why this ends up often causing death is if you have paralysis of the muscles that you use for breathing. So your diaphragm and your intercostal muscles of your ribs. If those muscles become paralyzed, you cannot breathe. See R episode for more on that question. So it starts in your lips. That's just the first symptom or sign that you had it's often the first symptom. And that's if we're talking about someone who's eaten FU or a pufferfish, and that is often the first symptom, and it's because that's sort of the first place where you're going to encounter tro, toxin improperly prepared FU. Yes. Improperly prepared a ride. So like you caught a pufferfish, and you took a bite out of it like an apple right? Then the first place that you'll start to notice him. Tim's is in your mouth. But then quickly you'll also get gastrointestinal symptoms Granada vomiting diarrhea. But again, what ends up killing people is respiratory distress. Right. So you're not able to breathe because all of the muscles of your respiratory tract have failed and they're paralyzed. He like a really? Horrible way to go. It's not a great. I wouldn't recommend it. And it happens insanely quickly and part of that's because it's this toxin. Right. It's already it's there. It's preformed. You just eat it or whatever. But you don't have to just eat it. Right. What's the preparation that's most commonly associated with Zambia's voter. But to ask you that. Be to it. So most people come into contact with tro toxin by eating it. Right. That's like the most common. But because we're not talking about a bacteria or a virus. Like we normally are. We're talking about a compound that it's actually produced by bacteria. It's a toxin because it's already something that's formed. You can take a pufferfish take its liver dry it out grinded up into powder blow it into someone's face. And absolutely expose them to the toxin in that way. So it's not necessary that it's ingested. So is it just contact with like like mucous membrane? Alec Luhn highs, and yet does and mouth and grim. So edgy about that up. Shame because this is a toxin that is way more deadly for example, if it's injected so most of the studies on this are done in mice. So they'll. Inject mice with the Ta-talk sin. It's far more dangerous if you inject him oust versus if you let him out just nibble on pufferfish, okay? Same thing. I would assume I couldn't find evidence of this. But I think that's because they don't often just like blow to talks into mouse faces. But you could one could assume that most of the ways that people, quote, unquote, detoxify things, which the way that you do that with your liver. So if you eat something, then your gastrointestinal tract absorbs it, and it has to go through your liver, which takes care of a lot of the problem. Okay. If you inject it straight into your bloodstream, or you breathe it straight into your nose, which basically goes straight into your blood through your mucus membranes. You don't have that liver detoxification happening. So it's actually a lot more potent. So it's a lot more dangerous to to inhale a lot more. Yeah. We'll I couldn't find like specific evidence that because again, I couldn't find studies where they blew to talks on mice. But what I based on what I know about how things work, for example. If you take drugs sub lingua Lee, or by an inhaler lingua sibling leaves under the tongue rather. Other than swallowing it down. It's more rapidly gets into your bloodstream than if you eat something has to go through. Yeah. Can I just say like blowing to tro toxin into the face of a mouse is like the most depressing last job? I have ever heard of fella. Imagine. If you sneeze an hail like. Oh my goodness. If there's a hell that's pretty much the quickest way to get as. Accept a job. But blowing prototypes in the face of lab, mice. Yeah. But still really with the the question that we have to answer them is what does that have to do with as right nothing that I said was like, then you go you bite people or or even like you become controlled by these powers. Right. You get paralyzed. And then you die because you can't breathe. But that's that's what happens. Right. So why how could this have become a thing that people associate was on B? And I'm really glad that you mentioned how zombies in this non Jorge Romero idea it, it's not like wanting your flesh and blood. It's being under someone else's power. It's also being dead and coming back to life now that to toxin can do kind of. So I got thrilled when I learned about this. So one of the weird things about to try to talks in from what I've read is that when all of this is happening to you. You remain conscious doesn't that sound awful odd which explains a lot but keep going? Yes. So you are aware of what's happening to you. But it can have such a drastic effect. Because again, the sodium channels are everywhere it can have such a drastic effect on your respiratory rate and your heart rate that you seem like you're dead. So you can appear for all intensive purposes. Essentially dead if you've been dosed with the right amount of Detroit, a toxin where it's not completely paralysing you right? Like, your brain stem, still working there's enough function in your diaphragm that your unconscious breathing is still breathing and your heart is beating just enough to keep you alive, but maybe not enough to show a pulse, which can happen. Wow. Yeah. And so people can then pronounce you dead and your family can think you're dead because you, you know, you started vomiting diarrhea in and then you kind of went limp and paralytic and now you're not moving. It doesn't seem like you're breathing. You must be dead. How long great question this can last so symptoms tend to set in very quickly like within ten to thirty minutes. It can it can take hours. Also. So if you haven't ingested a lot, and you know, whatever it can take a longer time if you ingest it versus injected excetera, but when people do recover over a period of many hours may be twenty four hours or more they recover completely. If you live if you survive, you recover, completely there's no neurological deficit so once this to try to talk in sort of just makes its way out of your system. There's no residual effects of it. So it's like the town song all or nothing at all. Oh my God. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Defend that. So even that's it's interesting that there 'cause I would think that there'd be at least some affects of hypotheses the having such a, you know, having your your tissues or brain being deprived of oxygen. If you're not breathing very, very deeply, you're very offense in if your heart's not pumping, very often. I'd imagine there'd be at least some affects from from from just like hypotheses not getting enough. But it seems like you either die or you recover completely. Czar super bizarre, I will say that if your respiratory muscles are affected. It's not a good sign. You're you're probably pretty much gonna die almost everyone. Who if if the paralysis spreads all the way to your diaphragm, you're you're probably going to die. So here's the thing. This is a great area. It's not I wouldn't say I buy it. A hundred percent that like you could pronounce somebody dead because they dosed them with Ta-talk. But it's been used a ton in like popular culture as I'm gonna fake someone's death. You know, like the happens all the time they do it with to try to talks in often in movies do feel like a very common trope. And I could also see, you know, back in the early eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds even earlier than that. I could certainly imagine a doctor. Oh, well, he he seems to threw up in pood- himself and. And he's not even and I don't wanna touch him because he threw up himself. Right. So just call them dead. And even jeez, we didn't have brain Skinner's. We didn't have like you can very easily survive if you're breathing like, there's a lot of different breath types that are really not good, but we'll get your body enough oxygen and release enough criminal side. But might seem like you're not breathing 'cause you're breathing so infrequently, but if your heart is still pounding, however week, it might be than the blood is still flowing than things are still getting oxygen that I agree if you are in the seventeen hundreds and you're like you touch them in your like, they're kinda cold. They must be dead. You know in the stethoscope isn't invented who. I don't know. Don't ask me that. But I guess also the trade off is at is that if you're not if you're completely still in comatose, you actually you don't need as much oxygen tank. Would if you were like up and move around. So. So you have this lower metabolic rate as well. So you look you're using less oxygen. So you don't need as much. Bam fell biology Janis boom. But is it boom. Or is it just like it is that's the thing. Because it's like, okay. That's it's an almost maybe I could kind of by explanation for how someone could be appearing dead and then come back to life beyond that nothing. Like, there's no like, and then you will succumb to my will or on the other end, then you will eat flesh of humans. You know? None of that. So, but the other thing is is it bible can you reliably make zombie Haueter. No, I don't even fully by that you could make a powder period that you could be sure would just kind of paralyze someone to the point that you could convince someone else that they're dead. But then. Make sure that they recover afterwards. Not I don't buy in the slight it like you could if you worked really hard probably convince people that you faked your death by using this. Maybe I don't know. I was gonna ask a win win a person does recover like what has had how does the Tatan unbinding from? That's a good question. I don't I don't know. I mean, I guess it just eventually something will come by NBA to degrade it. But I don't have a full answer to that. Because it from what I can understand. It's not like a reversible binding, right? Like it binds. And then it's bound. So it's either just like your body has to make some new sodium channels, maybe and maybe your body can make enough to compensate or eventually like note, nothing in your body is gonna last forever, right? So eventually like that sodium channel will be recycled or. Or something some macrophage will combine like snag up that to toxin or whatever I don't actually know the mechanism of it on just making things up right now. But generating hypotheses there you go. I like that. But that is it brings up a good point in that. We don't have any treatment for it. So the the only thing you can really do is if you if you know that someone eight pufferfish in who shouldn't have you can like give them activated charcoal or do a gastric, lavar like make him it all up and that can help somewhat but is very fancy word for barf. Inducing gust. Rick, lavar, but there aren't any treatments. So while people have people have tried different things. I don't want to take too much time. So I don't wanna get into like the various specific things that people have tried. They don't work all that. Well, but here's my question. Clearly, this mechanism of action of involving sodium channels. It's not something new right pufferfish didn't vent. This by any means we've already talked about it with wolf Spain. We'll probably talk about it in the future with. Something else than binds to the same channels. But the thing about to try to talks in that makes it so forking terrifying. Is that it's so potent it's so potent that we named the channels after it and the tiniest amount twenty two micrograms can kill me a full grown, human, right? Twenty milligram. Sorry. Get all those units mixed up. So my question and probably everyone's question at this point and Shane why we brought you here is why on earth would something as a door -able as Puffer fish need to make such a potent toxin, do they just want to kill us do pufferfish haggis? What's why tell me why? Please. That is a phenomenal question. Stitch vix is an online personal styling service that finds delivers clothes, shoes and accessories to fit your body budget and lifestyle I have gotten three count them. Three new pairs of work pants, all of which fit amazing, and they're so much cuter than what I was wearing before. 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Try the original true body bra from true co today with free and easy returns. And save fifteen percent now when you go to true in co dot com slash this podcast and enter the code this podcast. That's T R U E A N D C, O dot com slash this podcast. So pufferfish, they did not, you know, they weren't the first to invent to tro toxin, but to toxin is actually named after them while kind of to Toda toxin is actually named after an order of bony fish called Tetra Dont'a formulas, which includes the Puffer fish, but also porcupine fish in the big floppy ocean sunfish, they're like huge kind of flat and really goofy. Lookin' also triggerfish so altogether. It's about almost three hundred and fifty species in the order, but not all of these species have toxin. So it was named in nineteen ten actually has the principal toxin in pufferfish in obviously the principal component of of Fuyu as we as you were saying before since then it's been subsequently described in a really wide array of organisms across the tree of life. Both marine in in terrestrial organisms. Several obviously several genera- which is the genus several general of of pufferfish a habit specifically like liver and go ads the marine goby, which is another bony fish has to toxin in its skin muscles. And then even there several invertebrates marine invertebrates that also have it. So there are several species of marine flat worms. There is a trumpet shellfish, which is a different invertebrate. That has it in digestive gland. Horseshoe crabs apparently have them in their eggs, some starfish species. I should say one of the most interesting is actually the blue ring octopus that actually has it in its salivary glands. And it uses it as I you know, as its co-opted as a venom in in that species. So that's that's really interesting the coolest love blurring activists. They like take all and they're like you wanna fight with me. Oh my God. Love them. That's the first the first time ever invites you to dis. Oh my God. I love them. Very often except on this. I have a quick question chain. So okay. You mentioned that the Oregon of a lot of of where this toxin is stored for a lot of these animals, why the liver the Goan ads, the intestinal whatever system. Why why they're so that is a great question. And quite frankly, I don't think we know of there's so in doing research for this realized that there's there's a ton that we don't know about tro toxin ya in terms of how it contributes to two bio-diversity, and how the vast array of organisms that use it how they actually go about using it. Yeah. That's so cool. It's it's weird. It is very weird. Because I mean, essentially like you're talking about chemical warfare, essentially, right? I mean, you taking the super super toxic substance, and integrating it into your body in in some form or fashion and then using that as as a defense. So not only does it occur in marine organisms, but they're also terrestrial species species that live on land that use it, and this is the fibia NHS. So there are tree frog species in the genus at elopes that use a Tatan. And then it's been most commonly studied in in Newt's, some newts what are called Ruskin news earn in the genus to Rica. So they have really large volumes atro- toxin in their skin. And actually also five different genera- that of Salomon that that have to toxin. This is why. Yeah us why. Shame. I need to know. What's the deal here, bro? Well, so if I can before we get to the why the question is how. Question is that okay? We exit. So just to give you give you sort of the scale of this. We're talking about hundreds of millions of years of diversity of life. Right. So for talking about across the tree of life between you know, worms and other invertebrates and terrestrial organisms, terrestrial, vertebrates, and fish. We're talking about hundreds of millions of years of diversity. And you get these species popping up across the tree of life that all are using this chemical warfare coopting tro toxin to us as a typically as defense. Right. So they're actually two major hypotheses about where to toxin comes from. So one is in in dodge, Innis, origin. Right. So something that is, you know, genetically coded in an animal to produce atro- toxin, and there is some support for this typically comes from from the tree frogs, I mentioned that in that genus at elopes with you take those tree frog species in you bring them into like a controlled environment where you control what you. What you feed them what they're in contact with even years after that, they they can maintain really high levels of toxicity. And even frogs that are hatched in the lab still have amounts like measurable amounts of data toxin in their skin, which suggests that they're actually producing it somehow. But what? Yeah. Exactly. And I again, I don't really think we know how this works yet. Yeah. Which is really surprising, actually. But then the second hypothesis is actually in exogenous origin. So that animals are uptaking tro toxin either through the food chain or through symbiosis and a lot of evidence for this actually comes from the pufferfish, so people captive -ly breed pufferfish for food and also for the for the pet trade and Puffer fish that are born in captivity are actually not toxic. They don't have any measurable amounts of two prototypes in. But if you feed them to tro toxin, they very quickly. Come toxic. Wait. So is it possible that there are distinct groups of animals that some can produce some some summits endogenous and for some it's exaggerates. Yes. Why definitely Arunas faces so excited right now. She's just like like her is can't contain Englund. That's amazing. And it's it's this really sort of wild example of this. Classic question in Evelyn near biology of the repeatability, right? If if you get the same results, I e I have to go to talks don't eat me. All mess you up. Do you get there by the same by the same path? And it seems like at least in this case the answer is there are several pass to potentially get there. Either through producing it or through up taking it in the in the environment, or which I think is even cooler potential explanation. Is through symbiosis a major a major hypothesis is that a lot of these species that have to toxin have them because they formed a symbiotic relationship with bacteria that produce the tatakta. So like, vibrio bacteria is most often suggested as the the Symbian in this case, but also pseudomonas and attend on my cities. But in either case there remains as a really important question about the repeatability of evolution. So either you have independent origins of two prototypes in production right via these in dodge, Innis means or even if you're up taking it from the environment. You still have to biologically incorporate it into your own body without being affected by it. Right. So you still have to have some level of resistance. What if this is insane? It's not like pufferfish don't have their own sodium channels rate. They do right like what you can feed them. Two dogs that are like no way about my liver. Take care of this. My legs. I just skip to the other half of the word that wasn't intentional. I mean, it's pretty use totes. Got this, bro. Exactly. Yes. So and this obviously brings us to your initial question, which is which is why. And as I describe most of these species are incorporating it in in their organs, and it seems that this is mostly associated with defense against predation. So there are a lot of species that incorporated in different organs, but a lot also have it in their skin and in their muscle, right? So if you bit them or tried to hold onto them, you know, obviously, you know, if you're biting them, you're buying them with your mouth, which leads to a lot of the issues that you were just talking that we were just talking about when it when it comes to to human infection with two toxin. So it seems to be associated by and large with defense against predation, which also sort of brings us to this weird dynamic that comes out of these prey species having to toxin, which are what we call evolutionary arms races. All right. So if you're. Puffer pufferfish or if you're a Ruskin Newt swimming around a welcome around doing your thing. You don't want to be eaten. That's generally an unpleasant experience that we all try to avoid. But if you're a predator typically, you like to eat this sort of very simple dynamic to competing factors lead to Evelyn airy arms races. Where things that don't wanna get eaten? Figure out ways to not get eaten either by running really fast growing larger growing hard parts that can't be chewed on. But then predators. They find ways to get around that. And there's a really interesting case when it comes to Ta-talk sins, particularly in these Ruskin newts that I mentioned before. So this species ranges across the west coast of the United States all the way from southern Canada down through southern California. And across the range. They vary in their talk city. Right. So some populations are very highly toxic. And some are only. Mildly toxic and across their rains there. Also, garter snakes, very calm. I'm sure we've all seen garter snakes outside recent from place to place and garter snakes. They occur across the same region. And they're the only predator of the Newt that is known to be resistant to toxic. What they I know. Right. Right. So these the snakes they eat newts regularly. Right. And this has led to a matched resistance to Detroit a toxin. And so where the newts are more toxic. The snakes are more resistant to Detroit talks. I love the. I know and just to give you an idea this ranges by three orders of magnitude own what? So we're talking about. Some snakes are one thousand times more resistant to Detroit a toxin than others. Why? That is so cool. I know which brings us back to this idea of the repeatability because this resistance, it seems to have evolved independently at least twice within garter snakes. So separate lineages have come up with this solution to being able to eat these Ruskin news. It's it's wild. It's like different garter, snakes and the same is a garters. Thank you think. Those are the same snake, but there's different populations that have evolved this different times. And clearly these newts are really important food source. I mean, and it must be extremely important, right? Because you know, this demento question ideal is like, well, how how do you get this resistance? Well, you said, you know, how to talks affects your your sodium channels, but these snakes actually have mutations in their sodium channels that make Ta-talk less efficient at binding to them. Cool. What I'd said there was different kinds of sodium channels. Man. They're just like we're gonna skip to all the resisting kind and just forget about this these ones over here that is. So I don't we all have resistance. 'cause we're not all eating haven't been. Yeah. Yeah. But it does come at a does come at a trade off. I mean, as you know, obviously, you know, these sodium channels aid provide a really basic biological function right in they help us to contract. Our muscles in move around in snakes that have very high to toxin resistance cannot move as quickly as those that. Don't interesting weird. So there's like a substantial trade off. Yes. Absolutely. But it would be really cool. If that was the whole story. But recently actually just earlier this year in two thousand eighteen there was a steady again in two species of Ruskin newts that suggests that they showed that individuals that were more toxic. Also had fewer parasites less toxic individuals. We just got silly excited. I thought you would like that one one more time just for emphases say it again, please. So Ruskin nudes. That are more toxic have fewer parasites than their less toxic counterparts guy. Yeah. So it seems like they're actually there's the possibility that not only does it help them in defense against predators. But it may also help them defend against infect. What kind of so parasites meaning like ACTA parasites or re also talking like bacteria viruses, etcetera. So if I remember correctly, they looked mostly at sort of larger parasite so things like parasitic worms, and even they looked at fungi as well at parasitic fungi for that affect Newt's things like a kitchen fungus for us. Oh, that's gonna probably have to be its whole own Assode. Yeah. For sure. That's won't dive deep into that. One. That's amazing. So this brings me back to this original question. Aaron Welsh that that you pose of like why why do we care? Why do we wanna get into like the mechanisms of all this stuff? I mean, obviously hearing these stories it's it's actually it's really cool, you know, just on its own. But there is I think some utility in really trying to understand the mechanisms either when it comes to som- be powder when it comes to, you know, these crazy creatures across the tree of life that are using to toxin there is some inherent utility there. You know, when it comes to our understanding of basic biology and medicine so back in I think it was like nineteen twenty nine. There's this guy August Krogh, you know, he has his what became a pretty famous quote, and he said that for some large number of human related problems. There will be some animal of choice for which that problem can be most conveniently studied, right? And this is this became his principal. Right. And that's based on this. Fundamental observation that evolution by natural selection has produced a vast array oh diversity in form and function, and because of this some species are really well suited for understanding human related problems, right because they've evolved extreme characteristics that that mimic human disease states, or they allow us to conduct experiments that would be otherwise impossible. And this gives us fundamental insights into the diseases that plague us and help us to design effective treatments for those diseases. So in the case of trona toxin resistance in these species understanding, how they're I on channels allow them to live with Tata axon may provide really valuable insights into many diseases that are thought to result from dysfunction right in. This includes things from like color blindness and night blindness to cystic fibrosis to Alzheimer's Parkinson's to schizophrenia. So they potentially provide some really fundamental insights into understanding how. You know, these really basic aspects of biology can be modified and improved upon. It was so gorgeous L so perfectly put and fascinating. And we were both at the same time hurt smart our hands, and we were putting them computers. Like, oh, my stuff that. No that that is that was just really well said, really. But and I think that you mid really good point that it's not just driven by this curiosity, but there is a function app. Enderle she's in an application for doing this type of research, and for being even just interested in it and learning about it from a comparative angle or from a historical angle or from a medical angle. Like there's from the angle. Yeah. Oh, cool. I know science. Dude, those great that was a great. So should we do sources, probably, okay? So I read a few books or sections of books. I would recommend invisible powers which is edited by Claudine Michelle and Patrick Bogarde Smith and also passage of darkness by Wade Davis. American zombie gothic by Kyle William Bishop which kind of details the transformation of evolution of the zombie genre in movies, okay? Co samba or the congress Santa Barbara to which is like a place to learn about and to have scholarship on of odu. Sweet. I don't have. We'll post all the yellow thing is minor always way too long. I have a bunch of articles that were cool, but you can find them on our website. This podcast will kill you dot com. We have every single one of our episodes. We have all of our sources listed there. So Shane do. You have any things you'd like to shout out beside your brain. All I guess what? I will shout out is the last paper I mentioned about a poisons in parasites in in Newt's was published earlier this year in the journal of animal ecology, the the the lead authors. Last name is Johnson Johnson at all two thousand eighteen sweet. That's very also Shane tell us where everyone can find you. And stock you and listen to your podcast. Yes. So you can find me at s Campbell statement on on Twitter. You can also hit up at super bio podcast to check out. New episodes. Shane thank you so much for joining us. Yes. Also was super fun. I had a great time. Thank you guys so much and thank you. Everybody for lifting. 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BOS Outlook w/ Jared Weiss; DET Outlook w/ Dan Feldman

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

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BOS Outlook w/ Jared Weiss; DET Outlook w/ Dan Feldman

"The NBA season and faceting team to start us off this evening the Boston Celtics and newly minted full-time Athletic Writer on the Boston Celtics greetings friends hope y'all had a fantastic weekend I know I did but it's time to get back to some outlooks for the twenty nine thousand nine hundred the Robocall to Ned Flanders greetings friends do you want to be as happy as me yes I it's I mean that's really I mean he was just he was like the glue that held everything together in ways that were just kind of Markle last you know I was driving the boat which probably was not a good boat once you start referencing cartoons from over twenty years ago that's really actually talk twenty five years ago now you cannot you can really just can't underestimate how impactful Al Horford is on just I wonder if Al Horford was not on that team last year what would have happened like with that team of fallen out of playoff contention of Kemba Walker and just what difference is it going to make having him instead of Kyrie Irving because I mean obviously they all sell her for two that's a big analogy dynamic issue and obviously was the dynamics change with everybody else around him in your to compare to your one so Kumba I've got no Kumba decent amount over the last few months you so much as it was just the the fit so I just don't see the I don't really see any of those issues popping up Kemba based on his personality type based on the his career be driving that hey okay it's their chemistry that's what's getting all the press here the problem is that these guys start playing well enough and maybe the third he's not very confrontational he doesn't throw under the bus very much publicly it just seems like he's a way better fit Kevin so everything seems a lineup better with Kemba but he got from Kyrie last year olds funniest prognosticators it's good that Horford left because I feel like it would be super easy predicted team tangible if it was just a Kemba for Kyri swab part of it but that's the maybe the biggest difference that you'd see and maybe the most direct comparison that's possible here but what's different from what they get out of Kemba Walker this year compared to what this coach who is not an authoritarian style coach he is definitely a coach let's his leaders lead inter coach tries to lead by example and doesn't really necessarily for came to Boston and you guys were like hanging out together in Tokyo yeah he he was he was there to hang out with meal it's very clear he he didn't want to be there with his friends and couldn't do during the regular season I mean what is it specifically that the better chemistry is going to allow them to accomplish on the floor this year it doesn't look as good doubt but I also feel that we tend to focus on those things too much because it's the drama and it's what people are interested in and it's where we in theory not that good and especially some of the guys who disappointed on the wing last year tatum hayward obviously a had a big struggle going back Jaylen Brown had a really ugly first half of the year I mean he was he didn't change that drastically in year two compared to your one it was just year one he was hurt for the second half year so I think it really was mostly a person the save but how is being more together this year actually going to help them on the court and where did not being together last year hurt them at least in the just like how is having better chemistry actually going to make them better on the floor this year okay so I I think that there was one of just the fundamental failures last sure was that I I still believe in the scheme that everyone was talking about coming into the year of having an all driving kick scheme from all five positions and just having and we also have to hang out with jared with lead but so I was only part times probably not but so he he has he how it's gone so far you know there's there's so much like kind of buying stuff that seems very turn key for him with the position that he's a career that was not happening with Kyrie in as wall shooting the ball of got taken out of the starting lineup but as well and obviously with more reporting the fact that we did eventually leave it might position can add some information as reporters that you know isn't accessible to the Banda talk about some of the drama that's happening within the team so this is a very difficult question Korea like kind of I think a lot of similar goals in a lot of way a lot of ways about their life but I think that they go about it extremely different and it just seems that Kevin is such a better fit for on a show of how hard he was trying the only other time I can remember that was a player who also left his team at the end of the year and that was Dwight Howard in Houston who at the end of the fifteen nobody was able to get that penetration and instead of just trying to reset the ball and to try to run the play over or something like that or continuing to churn dribble hand aware and he would try to pass it and turn it over stuff of that nature into Kyrie's credit last year and this is where Campbell will also excel is that a lot of the time it was just that the offense overall one of their big weaknesses last year as well was not getting to the foul line not getting all the way to the basket they took a lot of threes but some of those were maybe maybe a really was a simple kyri was in a true emotional funk after losing his grandfather and I mean we've all been there we know how that is you know can really can't really mess you up you could very easily argue that Kemba could give them more than Kyrie especially considering career only played sixty seven games last year but al Horford was so important to what the all these guys they can get deep dribble penetration and kick it out I still think that is the optimal scheme designed right now for the way the roster's Bilton with the way the rules are set up so they're still going instead of trying it all there is some virtue in I guess so yeah but but to the question of what was the actual question to get them out of that funk and he would usually do that by just trying to go isolation or go into high pick and roll but it was pretty appeared for most of the season when he would see a lot of the younger gene seasons they're getting blown out by the Steph Curry Warriors in game five at Oracle demanded to play forty five of forty eight minutes when they're down by thirty points in the fourth quarter often pitches to get guys driving down the seems a lot of the time they would just fall into the Shah until taking like that mediocre contested mid range shot and Kyrie a lot of the time was tried to approach the paint and then tatum would go into a step back jumper that he would brick half the time rougier would settle for setbacks Jalen Brown would try to do a eurostepped of ago pretty contested look so that that was the thing that I think people talk about the most was the offense so the also of course lost al Horford and I think swab your audience without I can't even count them so let's talk about this team and I think where WanNa start here is obviously the addition obviously but the way that things on the Kyri last year cameras a huge upgrade there but easy because Kyrie's skill set was not really the did defensively are they gonNA pick up the pieces of losing him anatomy we can talk about the offense to the defense seems like the greater issue I mean we saw in the first generally a more traditional pick and roll schemes and they just don't have anybody on the roster right now that either has the physical tools do it or is ready to do it cause Rob Williamson Wings getting stuck in that rhythm he would be really trying to get them out of it and to his credit I think he was definitely trying there and that was one of the main areas where it wasn't that the chemistry surprisingly started in the first game of the preseason for them and he has the physical tools to eventually be good pick and roll defender but right now he still just seems like he's a step behind everything it's going to take pretty good I think he's doing the trails maybe as the year goes on he will improve but right now he's still just he just he can't stay in front of Guards Oh and that's when you're able to kick it out and usually open shot and so we just saw any defence a heather scheme figured out with just stonewall these guys as the and stuff like that but we're really made him great was that they didn't have to switch most of the time with Horford because he could do what they call up to touch which is where he's basically sitting just below that the for the most part like they saw they didn't lose all their wings they can still pull this off especially hayward who looked very very solid in in their opening preseason game and especially because you know a lot of the complaints about the often I tell you like five years from now I'm definitely doing an oral history on that buck series because that was some of the wildest shit we've ever seen I mean Kyrenia just went like he went like full rogue he was like Charlie Day wildcard it's like you cut the brakes or something was crazy I I mean the the only time I can remember it's like he was just almost like putting sadder than guys don't like each other and it clearly wasn't Kyrie's fault it was that just a lot of inexperienced players were just not understanding how to be patient offensively yet obviously see the nail that used to be there at least in the middle of the free throw line that's like the center point for the rotations of the defense so if you can get the ball past that then the defense usually has to collapse in on in Charlotte so hayward was one of the main guys that wasn't really breaking through your is getting past the nail is like a huge part there for people don't don't know what the nail is literally Lucy's I think clearly in the puck series by the end they were a train wreck in Cairo was just running all over the place on Defense Dole teaming Yasser Wind the garden one on one which is the Oh that's important in that it allows them to not have to completely rewrite their offensive scheme to be more of a high pick and roll scheme or just having the center just setting screens and then rolling the grounds and doing dribble handoffs that's that's something that Horford was one of the best in the game of really one of the best of his lifetime of being able to kind of run an offense through the center are this year how are they going to use him offensively in comparison to how Horford was use will be one of the things that he was working on during his offseason program was put in the ball on roll man on the team that was like a brandon right there and the reason I say that is because I remember that Stevens and they were going to change catching all these shows as they start to drive into the lane that it probably isn't GonNa really workout but he's a very good roll man and they I mean he he he screen level and kind of taking in the ball ham there and rerouting the ball handler away from the paint as the as the guy that's the ball handler catches up to them and then they were still able into the lane finish so I guess it all depends probably on how how much teams are going to respect calendars jump shot if they don't respect his jump shot and they're still sitting there at the free throw line does he can't ever single time so the more they can keep the center active up above the top of the key than the more room that they have for other really talented wings again into the it was but the Kyrie especially defensively was just it was dating he just couldn't hit any shots like it was a disaster give him credit at least try too hard to reset from there that's that's the most complicated scheme for most teams execute besides officer getting caught and switches they can't handle and getting screwed from there but he allowed them to stay in that have any size or have really good speaker aggressively he just isn't going to be able to stay in front of them and that was the thing that Horford great I mean obviously Horford is known for being able to swim the he's an absolute you know he's a bundle of elbows basically when he starts to roll down the lane so that gives them something that they just haven't had really at all they haven't had any I can't remember the last disappoint it's great I mean I want to watch them workout this summer in New York and something he does try to improve his mobility in his reaction speed I think is last game they played that cantor still not he says in showing the foot speed and early hip reaction time this just in Oh they're going to make a point yeah we haven't seen him you know cancer is not a gravity guy going up to get alley oops but you know we generally a as it's been more the Guy Hands off and that's Horford was great for that schemes for ways and Kanter is learning to do that we haven't really seen him do it that much hasn't really been a part of the way the he's been used by the Celtics believe in him being able to do it and I think he's going to do a lot of that so come on another year or two for him to be ready to handle that role against like starting talent yeah so and then obviously on offense to Horford was an outstanding passer and out of options and especially with the with the fact that they have in their starting lineup however it ends up being shaped which I guess we'll figure out at the end of this pod they're going to have three guys that we now we did keep a the middle open ns cancer was there signing with the room exception seems like he whether he starts or not he's going to get the most minutes as a traditional just things up for brandon right and you know who was an underrated role guy before the he's got just ended his career but like but it's Brad didn't really wasn't able to use him oh subjective and so I think there's a lot of pressure on Stevens this year to find a way to use catcher and I think if he can there's an argument that cantor is actually a better offense player than Al Horford you'd probably a little bit better offensively this year than last year because of that but there's just going to be so many times where if a team is blitzing Cambe and he has games last year which is that why not have owl be a hard roll man and then just have your ball handlers trail behind him to help be a lead blocker notice and with his offensive rebounding is finishing around the rim that he can give them an element of getting to the foul line getting extra possessions kicking out Ellen Stevens generally blows me off on ask a question so maybe I should have marcus asking next time it's it's a real thing something that I think I asked him about multiple times easy it just gets a strong take and I realized that I mean this cancer is a wonderful offensive player like he just sucks defensively so badly out the I'm not saying he is better but I think that there's a possibility that he can give them more than Horford gave just because we're wasn't going to score it as much as gathering cantors really interested to see whether they're able to get cancer going to the rim more I mean Kanter for years it's been talked about oh he could shoot some but that's just not where he's a are kind of not just standing there stationary trying to set a pick or handed off he actually can put the ball in the move and actually reset the offense of different ways and angle the offense wants to move the ball he really believes ninety built some great offenses around that with Isaiah Thomas who was great flying off those screens having the big band out at the top two using up even a a little bit that they just haven't necessarily had a but it's GonNa be it's GonNa take a big adjustment to what they've been doing I think at least what's your reaction to that that you're having somebody rolling to the rim especially on a team that doesn't necessarily has struggled to get to the basket is that I think he he can really out of me hot although writers attention when he said that really oh I mean he was like oh nothing against Al Blah Blah but Yeah but it sure and it's something that I've been asking Stevens about for awhile it's a big part of what the pick and roll does that it almost creates a lead blocker for your ball handlers to get behind it and then they have the option of the short lob or they can put up a floater gives you twenty feet out and be able to dime up guys so he's that's like the that's I think one of the little league skill sets that he has that made him so appealing to the team and coming behind Kanter on the role and they can fin they definitely can finish through traffic or they can make a play through traffic and so that's I think they're going to probably be no in socks or over six foot six that can all get up there and finish or can pass so they have three those guys at they're coming in behind a similar to cancer I know he he has his game I don't know I mean we've barely seen it against top level competition but we've seen it a lot in the Summer League the ball sticking out of his hands and their wings aren't on that night they don't have Horford there to be that security blanket for him that he just always was and that's GonNa really fall apart yeah and that's you're right you're going pretty far off over the Ledge to say that you think you can be as effective as Horford offensively but it's not like it's a it's not crazy oh how hard it is to pull it off consistently and they just they need to bring the physicality this year and I think that was just the thing that they shied away from and it was something that they did well in the past when they had again against second and third unit so that that is a big part of his game is he's going to be able to within the next couple of years face up from the high post elbow out like had less talent but they had a Lotta scrappy hard-nosed guys now they have a lot of talented guys that don't like contact as much and so you know right now smart and cancer are probably the two it's tough to say that his deficiencies are going to carry over but yeah whether he could make a play on that short roller not it is interesting and it's Brad Stevens on the scoreboard efficiently all right I'm glad you said that very very flammable clothing I don't want to catch on he's hot take you're you're right in that for one that's smart quote kind of Yup Al Assad's ads passing and he adds shooting but he doesn't really add much forces and there are things that Marcus smart talked about this a little bit the other day I the ball let's get that side to side action going if you are willing to the basket there's not as much space it's going to be a little bit more stagnant the reason why he didn't fall all the way until the second the way that Mitchell Robinson did was because he has some of those well rounded offensive skill sets but just going back to to the cantor thing tantalizing I took predict that after the last couple of years but it looks good it looks really good in as as much as tatum is improving year to year and when you're making a lot of great points here it's that they need to be a much more north-south rather than site aside offense side to side is great in theory but we just saw last year of they'd be happy but I I mean he he had a very inconsistent year but when he was on he was clearly also calorie too inconsistent to be at that level but his number walk us not good enough so let me answer this topic ivory tower here so I can't remember the question now tatum all those guys head disappointing seasons a year ago showed flashes at times as well but suit you'd think that let's let me start here who do you think his don't put him too far off from also rain so like I think it would be another big step forward but it wouldn't be it wouldn't be some sort of like astronomical leap that would be unforeseen I'm expect play the best out of those three guys this year Gordon Hayward I would love that that I mean that would be fantastic for them if that's that's really true my voice is shaking saying as long as we actually cap it at one hundred dollars instead of what do we spend three hundred fifty dollars system Oh my God we can't we can't have these people thinking we're like we're like hi rollers housing obviously it is a weakness for cancer and he started to where he's making a few plays on the short roll but of course he you know he's playing with one arm last year in the playoffs for the blazers so that it's kind of I've seen a little bit we have a little snippet to see what he's you know where he's coming from now and we're just seeing him getting bigger and all that kind of stuff tatum looks like he's taking another leap probably not going to be perhaps so those things that and Robert Williams is the same way I mean I'm not trusting him to like you be operating at the elbows diamond guys up backdoors either easily but like I mean he is I mean if you just look at it sufficiency numbers like and his usage and his offense everybody I mean like a very very difficult to stop a offensively and all right well if something if something comes to mind I mean I I do want to give you a chance to let's get your as awesome walk you dinner for every one listening to this is like tantalize the by the idea that he could be close to where he was in that last Utah you're obviously the loss year the other point but when you combine the what I think is pretty solid defensive versatility from Hayward I think he's while tatum probably could end up being the most versatile defender or Kim in it with some of the team dynamics that they had so what is looked better about him so far I assume you've been talking to people on the team who you've been talking about when he was a rookie and did a pretty decent job at it and they're going to use them more this year now that he's officially six foot six sacks yeah I haven't seen what they've they've been reported even when he was starting to get more efficient towards the end of the year you know it was on seventeen percent usage wasn't like he was really a a main part of the offense and obviously it was tough physical tone centers that are on in this rotation slows the shift now to There are three semi stars on the wing Jaylen Brown Gordon Hayward Jason Improve that but I've just I've seen tatum I think it's that whether you can guard a guard versus a wing isn't as big of a variances where you can guard a wing versus a big passively but it's going to be another Lebron's going to put them into all-star range but that is so not quite as good as what Gordon Hayward is when he's on top a I will push back if Jason tatum search for for for the the Vegas over league I wish I was a high it wasn't it was like a hundred I think I paid over three hundred because I was paying for you well he also I didn't go so I think he sold his house in San Diego where he had lived for a long time and moved into his family stay in Boston and he never left Boston and so he in eighteen with the ankle last year really took him a while he showed flashes every once in a while but I I felt like just his explosion at the Rim really never returned him to get to the to the edge of being an all star this year and do you think that'll included forty percent three point judy I'm betting a steak on it that's for sure I don't know if it was worth it but it was definitely really good but the wag you there was not wasn't quite as life changing as I expected it also just gotten back from Japan had whack you over there yea he were just he because playmaking capability he's just so far ahead over those guys are now that ethic tatum's probably could be the best score out of the bunch already gets into also range that would be absolutely massively to me okay compared to where he was last year I mean that that would be again there'd be completely ecstatic about that I'm sure he's also mentioned probably to other people was just that the wraps is a huge part of like his mantra in the people that work with them they talk so much about reps and about and there was a lot of good coverage that showed how extreme it was but if you're someone that isn't around Gordon Hayward it's really it's really hard to really appreciate it and it was something that I think a lot a bunch of us that are around him out of the group Hayward definitely is at this point but when you combine hayward they more so than Brown yet Jalen they're going to use Jalen at the four more this year so maybe he'll on top of yeah okay so yeah so you also have to pay for yourself you weren't you weren't GonNa just like five lethem argue at not have any yeah I had to indulge it was it was a his offseason program was about being healthy again just regaining the confidence of being able to update second surgery really retarded his progress exactly Ed we just seen tatum in hayward play in in a pivot role more frequently that we've seen jailer gum it but Jalen did play in a semi pivot swing power forward role just how developing skill sets anything like that is it's all about just working smart and getting the reps in which obviously didn't invent that ethos at something it's pretty pretty frequently one of the things that stood out in the conversation although actually it was me saying it that him agreeing so yes it does account but so it was at last year his often yeah I I mean I'll I'll do I'll do double or nothin' for you or not nothing because he paid up but we can redo the bed at thirty nine percent if you want now I'm going to write her salary exactly and but it was it wasn't even just that he had rehab began late but just that he was still in the process of returning to the fore in the mental side was just so extreme you were able to kind of see it like it was he was coming from he came out of a very very dark place to get back to where he was and then this off season it was just about like that was his thing and the way the analyzed pretty much every single facet of his game and so last year the the things he was expressing was that he felt that because the role was building off of last year and he had a bitter taste mouth from last year there is no more rehab whatsoever he didn't you know it was just skill development it was just you know exploding to the hoop as much as possible ah but the only surprise was Kemba came in at six feet without shoes which surprised me yeah no the that was surprising so hayward I mean I'm sure just was able to focus more at work with the staff be at the facility so the quality of the training that he was doing is better so it's just that now he's hitting the ground running as opposed to just to find his footing like he was coming to last year into so much was going wrong last year that he just never really found his footing a big thing that he told me and I'm I didn't get a chance to watch this first preseason game yet but what's looks so much better to your now well if you would read the athletic for once you would see that I had to sit down with Mr Hayward and I think Oh yeah that's yeah see that was the problem we should have just made it made it some some other something else here now that we've been deer ourselves to our audience by saying that yes and he wasn't able to get this reps with a game to really find the comfort level and so he was there was one time I was talking to him and his trainer and he was breaking down for me that you know people uh we were just talking about maybe trying to find funding Oh we were saying it's GonNa be the best of of Hayward tatum and bro Okay and action so exchange is joining us I do good when there is a positive on ahead to pretend to be your friend for second order no I was I was channeling like homer Simpson talk about how he's not going to get into the hoop anymore but like for him if you break down the shop profile you make a ten shots in a game and only two or three of them are actually attacking the rim and so so you think about it from that perspective yeah you understand why he is still not comfortable getting to the rim he's only doing a couple of times a game and so I just think he got he told me like he got those me about and I started taking financer Wicha at that time was still under a pad news really expensive but it worked and I've kept my hair pretty much about the same level simple of play and you have to take some risk in order to achieve something truly great and there were just too many times or hayward with try to attack over a screen in your hair for some of us is important and now it's much easier to pay new the amount that I was paying back then and you can still get real or just go right over the top of them and we just didn't see a lot of that or we saw him more falling back onto those floaters and just trying to shy away from taking the contact deep into the paint prescription medical solutions with hymns you get in touch with licensed physicians get FDA approved products to help treat hair loss that's no sango pills with the teens rotation is GonNa look like so at age twenty five is still remember actually the photo that was taken me is right after I started law school find ways to feature him and with all the the usage hogs on last year's team yeah even like a Marcus Morris type of guy that just wasn't going to happen for Hayward Yeah Margaret I would have been twenty four still at that point I realized that my hairline was starting to recede or on my temples and I decided at that point that I was GonNa do some plus commotion with trying to figure out how this team works it's like really their core guys have continuity together in the role that they're going to be in now which is obviously different the last get me up with the defender instead of trying to really push through into the paint which is kind of dribbling towards the top of the key and pass it to the guy on the on the opposite elbow who then would this has never seen a shoddy wanted to turn down and that's the thing is hayward was so the the lead of that story that I did on him was about how he made the right play to the point that it wasn't over the last fifteen years I'm thirty nine now and in my personal life for years by friends whose started losing their hair's like hey you know you should try doing this in your right he needs to drive into his style has always been driving into someone's chest and then using his shrines balance to be able to take some sort of off-balance floater yeah you could tell him he's got such great body control and he can slow Janis were the slowest euro steps in the League which actually you know once he could kind of did that works against Milwaukee for instance who's big plays over the top of the plays above the elbow most of the time and works against most teams there's not a lot of teams that I'm GonNa put up a twenty nine usage even at his best you know he's more comfortable having the ball but moving at a and catching the ball on the move so I think you really have to the idea of he needs to get more rupture I mean he really only had a couple of years in Utah where he was clearly the number one guy and they kind of had to force feed him a little bit you know he's not a guy who's had the defender right in front of him in wasn't as good as hayward and then he was just kind of stuck there they'd have to reset the play or things will go wrong he would because hayward likes to do a lot of running different and being out of rhythm and all that I agree but the guy couldn't jump when he got to the basket last year so I mean I think there is a physical component of that that I'll be interested to see but I do agree with you here yeah and I I think for me I'm going to be looking at what does he look like really trying to explode the basket I mean all the stuff that people said about confidence gas station counter supplements go through their interface to answer a few quick questions some them a photo of your hair and it's right view a doctor will prescribe medication to treat her the right play too much and that's and that's like one of Stephen's big things at Horford's big things both those guys like talking about making the right play but sometimes the right play it was routes around the hoop and software around the court and stuff like that with sometimes we run into guys running into their space and there was so much confusion with him out there so he just needs to be more decisive loss it's shipped directly to your door. Hymns is at one stop shop for hair loss skin care and sexual wellness for men the way to get started with them as four hymns that's F. are each IAMs forums dot com slash cap space easy remember /capspace 'cause we talk all the time here on the Koran that's four hymns dot com slash caps bull no I am not going to take that because that's going to be their starting lineup that's always been how they've started so we're talking really about the finishing up here okay all right well then yeah haircut for just five dollars today while supplies last subject to doctor's approval you save a ton of time you save a ton of money versus going to a regular doctor and I know with no big on the floor I'm GonNa say Less than twenty five percent of the time so no big okay I'll take that I'll take that okay yes us that they will not the my bet is they will start a traditional big in at least eighty games this season wow okay face don't forget that /capspace your to let them know that you came from us make sure you see their website for full details and safety information and get started with the hymns it doesn't work how they could even try that against Brooklyn for instance who doesn't have any posts up bigs but has deadly role big you know okay I I actually I think I I've the guy off with his shoulder he could get room to finish in the paint and you could tell he was getting knocked off balance on a lot of those plays all right we'll take a quick break here and we write back to talk about so I think it's GonNa be cancer I mean I think both of us are probably as high on Kanter is going to be at this point well I mean we haven't talked who these guys are GonNa Start Okay Kemba Walker and tatum these reasonable so walker and tatum or the two guaranteed starters yeah the pharmacy you can bring all that with the same level of safety to you with four hymns dot com slash caps once four hymns dot com slash cap space is that Europe Berlioz I'll never forget KP pulling out his Kevin Pelton pulling out his laptop and realizing that the one scenario he hadn't pre written for his article Hayward I assume is going to start I mean if I were here it I would ask for a trade if they didn't start me on opening night but then he gets really hard because I would want to start Jalen Brandon Merck smart together breath the credits a hib. ESPN is truly getting their money's worth out of Kevin the he he sat there at dinner and wrote his entire article on his laptop prestige means to you because apparently more fuyu is not all that good so can we cap it at like Audrey Fifty Bucks there are no good answers we'll put it that way I was so i through your concept to someone who knows more than I do about basketball and they said that he says he's going to be caught on the it was not quite worth like the five hundred dollars that we had to pay for the it just it was something you'd save it wasn't quite remember is right before it came out Kawhi Leonard like that I think I think it's better for him to be out on the floor and they actually have some pretty good length to scramble around behind because if he just lays back and the guy scenario all right see this this security we can try to get Liam pulled off of the Miami he do so that he can he can do the grunt work yeah that's a very close game I think I should know where to pull this off so we'll we'll make article written down here okay but who who's actually gonNA start at the five for them so I'm saying they will they will finish games with a big on the floor seventy five percent of the time or more okay we'll make it a prestige menu item at something that's not Momofuku about his defense yet we both said that events is problematic but I think they can find I think they would rather deal with his poorest reason he leaves his feet every single time somebody pump fakes and someone just got the I'm sure they've said to him you're not GonNa Block you'll never block a three pointer near Tyre career so I two teams they played when he had success weren't like high pick and roll teams really so as soon as he got out there against the warriors he couldn't really out there anymore exactly yeah well it's it's funny because the strike that we have to try different time try something different yeah I agree with you there yeah I into the paint and then just a fly out the shooters and Hayward and Brown or great at a contesting three pointers Jason Tatum we actually saw it in the at the dinner table that was that was and it was good to know I mean I yeah that's right I remember died I like took a photo of when I was when when you haven't pre written the one it's a head of steam going Outta me just gonNA finish around him every time because he can't jump it also any can't move I think you're actually or you're just gonNa have to Segue in from the sides we've got actually tracking to me I guess who would have to be like Oh you know the the center plays like more than fifty percent of the minutes fifty percent last five minutes of the game or something like that first preseason game against Charlotte still bites at every single pump fake he's ever seen and I don't know how he hasn't gotten better because he has a physical tools to be great at closing out but for can roll defence by just having him sit as deep as he can pick and roll so he will be sitting back and really really icing hard as they can I don't really know because also the Thomas and Kyrie Irving over the past few years and to Kyrie's credit at least he tried to pick and roll defender but usually the artery tried to be pickerel defender of the worst offender he ended up becoming and can do is just try to roll tight over the screen and just try to do your job as simply as possible because but the light that they have they can be one of those defenses that really sucks someone guarding the main I assume they'll be hiding Kemba yeah I mean again it depends what team you're playing but you know most most teams have a point guard that maybe we can we can we can come up with a framework off air I mean we could try that as that how often do they finish games vision really seems to be smart or Brown in your mind yeah I think they probably would bring smart off the bunch because they don't really have a backup point guard yeah well well as always be the second jumper so for closing out wait until the shooter leave the air you're not going to block the shot was likely you're going to get a good contest in there and you're not gonNA get second jump stop and then does a kind of a short two foot jump just short of the shooter with two hands in the air and their rule that he followed Alien Jalen does and I've I've been saying for a couple of years now that I think Jaylen Brown is the paradigm to study for how to close out as a wing is he runs as hard as he can this is so many of those issues that are out there and we haven't even gotten a grant Williams and there's legitimate conversation to be had about starting grant Williams so that they can run the defensive lineman offense a scheme at the so but I think like actually having a higher is the way to go yeah may maybe that's not gonna work either I mean I guess he had the most success that he's had with stotts but you know the the want even though he probably is not ready at all 'cause as mature as he is he still a rookie but he has his skillset and is very similar to Al Horford he's not on that island and they're going to basically just force them into switch because Kemba also isn't exactly putting a ton of pressure on the ball the snake so hopefully they'll have smarter of Jaylen Brown yeah I think they've got to start Braun Hayward tatum because number one I mean we can talk a little bit about this too but it Jalen Brown doesn't get an extension and then you try and teams have at least multiple by and they're so that you can eventually just Paul come out of whatever hole he's hiding it and put him into pick and roll so teams teams are teams are pretty good at figuring out how to do that against Xavier beat on your they're not gonNA drive around the close out which is a so much worse than giving up a lately contested three all right so solicit back to to the starting group here I mean the trump no I think they're going to put them in with the second the Kyri a lot so we don't see that happen but they said his if their defense is going to be comprom- talk one hundred seven hundred to be safe but okay records or is it is not that it was not great food it was just that guys looking as good as they possibly can am a braun being part of that we'll see if he extends the extended you won't be a part of a trade but I can't imagine those can extend he eddie ought not even close to that level but he does he feels the same roles at Horford filled so that's definitely an option for them but I'm not getting any indications at this point that they're going to go that route is by having Kanter as a starter then smart is that other guy you want out there because he just he he does everything on the floor he does it with an intensity and his communication is really good he just remind me can you do a player option on the rookie extension absolutely can yeah I mean you just you can't do five years unless it's the Max Daniel you're only restriction around but like people need to know he's just GonNa Sprint as hard as he can jump at the guy every time and that's why take does tatum leaves us as soon as he gets out of the pain he leaves us feeling he leaves us feed so early offer for us eighty million I I mean that would be very absolute lower pounded think of what might even not be insulting yeah exactly ended up and also yeah so now you're out of your your your your daughter of any bigs yet that point right so that's not going to work philly who has two things up on our mock rookie extensions we ended up at four years ninety two million with some team based incentives for space advancing the playoffs that could get a two one five off the bench because they need him to be Secretary Creator. TATUM is the apple of there I met at the very least you have to start with those three and then if it's not working you can you know you can go to smart or you can go another direction but I mean the the with the profile that those guys have also another thing too is like these guys want to make a trade like you Wanna get those I believe in your feet it's not about blocking the shot just want to get a lot of Pat Konitz and film on did defensively in that series it was pretty incredible have someone that's clearly a Makhaya though will see tatum is on track to be there if he continues to improve but they never have an obvious Max guy that you give the extension they can just sub outcome by the six market have takeover or sub outsmart at the six minute mark and have takeover then bring smart back the second unit that probably Ashton yeah I I I would agree it was that was crazy poor razir and not starting really screwed over seventeen hundred minutes last year like playing time was not the Sir sure he's He's I think he's a big I consider him a big if you consider draymond green a big think the consider grant Williams a big if you live and he's hitting his next contracts when the salary caps and to be a lot higher that that's something that could get it done so I think creative in the structure there but there's no point of offering him I would I was thinking more of like a traditional type but anyway let's get to those centers now cancer Daniel Thais is back Robert Williams who we talked about it a little bit and then they bought it see if I'm him and I could get like let's say ninety to ninety five and maybe even have a couple incentives for like you let's say unlikely incentives if I can get the player option on the end of that so that he's twenty four discussing it which you know great job that's kind of what you're supposed to I think they're probably gonNA I don't this is not me reporting it I just they should and probably will who off the bench to I mean that's not gonna go very well he is not going to be a happy camper about that and I think those are those are the three players the three most well rounded players active bring hayward let's go to this job he's going to be getting offers from other teams to tell the Celtics we've got a roster spot waiting for us and whatever team it doesn't have ten centers can't they Unilateral traded that we all lost their minds so all right what what it dinner that was truly those I I will always remember that I actually that was it it was kind of like the relate he would try really hard to be really good and then he would just kind of overcommit and take himself out of position stuff like that so you know the anything close to the close to the Max at this point because he can just play his way there and then they can just give that to him in the off season so that's why the Celtics never get these fields stunned because they never okay this guy's definitely making the roster so taught Taco these should keep Taco because he has potential to be a rotation big in the NBA and you and they never have a guy that's like just barely good enough to really consider that that doesn't think they're gonNA have a strong rfid market because rozier was very confident in his RFA market last year league convert them to a two way no I think he has to accept it I don't think exhibit ten gives you the right to unilaterally do that I've seen his contract but anyway I think the only the only thing is her at extension time so when they offer them twelve million he said screw that and obviously that worked out pretty damn well for them yeah considering he had like the worst year that anyone could have expected and still yeah well I mean it's because people didn't learn to pump fake just like the even just sprint is hard as he could jump as fast as he could off of one foot and like he covers a lot of and people started screaming their heads off in a preseason game like people were like yawning the entire time he is such a sensation they should try to keep them in their problem is going to be that if his agent they might have to send a GMO over as well but yeah okay so B- between the four who are actually gonNA play this year who put those guys well I I wouldn't want to say without having seen his contract but it but anyway maybe they can trade him to the rockets and rocket use a little help for their business apparently they're going to go bankrupt now so mostly grant Williams Yeah Greg Williams are most likely going to have him out there next to another big with its teisser one of Canton Williams Robert Williams I forgot this he's like kind of a Combo well the problem is clearly a power forward so it's a power for two big I've no idea I mean he he's he's not a center he's Ed ten has is that to accept the fifty thousand dollar bonus you have to agree to be an affiliate player in the G. League you would probably know better than me but that's all that's the only thing I can think Williams now Rob Williams I just didn't think he would be there or be ready to step ahead of those guys but if you starting in the first preseason game teams trying to drive on him he jumps in the air like two steps before they even leave the ground somehow floats for a good three seconds and then swats the ball away it's pretty remarkable to watch but he he he elect twelve percent of opponents twos in very limited minutes last year he's also turnstile half the time though and he he looks lost teams get create like team snake picking the house calls him Vince so just convos fair enough put those guys in order for guys hold on have ended up being the starting lineups in the regular season the start of the year so maybe that really is going to happen I mean Robin Williams when he was out there he just I mean he when he when overplayed then they clearly are pretty they they think that he can work and I'm pretty sure the last couple opening first praising preseason game starting lineup in socks so he's seven one at least half he's got good power and he does spread the floor he's a catch shoot guy legit catch and shoot three pointer guy above the ideal center for the future and there's there's legitimate starting center in that you know in within him probably a couple of years down the road if he isn't going to be the starting center in two weeks but when he should hold out for now he should hold out for something just short of the Max I guess but the potential view of any sense of where they're at right I mean supposedly I saw a report that there are at least unrolls reset pick and rolls in he just gets lost it's still he still pretty easy to get around it maybe they could switch more with them and that's the vs at center so that's a big thing is that he definitely can switch he has yes a foot speed he's good at getting low what he loses in foot speed he makes fourth lengthen athleticism so he definitely he's he is so valuable to have from a business marketing perspective and meet the people go crazy over him he got a standing ovation and we went in the game finally and you know I was I was really surprised to see that he's improved their and that's that that improvement is the reason why he's in the NBA now so he he should be getting ten minutes a game or so closes games as the five day you that counts for you as not starting a or not closing with the big so no I I I don't think of him as a pig the above the elbow which surprised me I knew we had a little bit of perimeter shooting skill and actually saw him play when I was in Paris a couple years ago and he couldn't do any of that stuff when I remember so so at least for the regular season I mean I do think a real upgrade their defensive that's like the clear spot of where they if they could get someone who would be like and you'd hope that one of those four traditional centers between or two of them to cantor tights Williams at Emporia can can give them enough at the center position can elite Defensive Center and they have the assets to do that with the that Memphis pick if you that they could really like become a contender in the east if they did that but that's really good so that you haven't even seen the first game yet Jomaa take on twitter he was insane it was unbelievable we were all sitting there saying is he had that injury hit your last year or Agassi coming off the knee surgery that he had so that was a you know he showed some signs in it clear when I was talking about Grant Williams starting I'm in at the five not not as Oh okay okay yeah that that that is important Fitschen at that'd be yeah I mean I if he if he like the biggest spot upgrade because they have pretty good death at the other positions it seems like so what's really tricky and also we've barely talked about Thais Tyson's he's a tough a tough used in the playoffs against their primary competitions he's just overwhelmed physically against Philli or Milwaukee think but you know he could soak up some minutes on what what his story is that's that's giving you everything I know which is that he's a he's a good rim runner and he runs a four pretty nicely he's he's legit seven feet people are confused by Rod William Starting but they don't realize that it's actually year two thousand twenty one so far give us give me thirty seconds it also going to the trade thing that you're talking about for one they're going to be sitting there waiting for Bradley beal like that's a that's a pretty obvious one they have they have Jalen was like he's a better rim contest or and pivot defender than he is he's going to be pretty good at that and probably will be a pretty solid pick and roll defender I haven't seen much footage of him defending brought over of is upward who I totally mispronounced same but no you gotTa Right Ruben Song I think I said too much of the R I a WHO who thinks he had the most time cancer entice oh probably be just about the same and then I mean I think grants is probably the third big but they're against like what seems like an MBA sal offense in the pick and roll yet so I just don't know what to expect there yet you know F I look at this this lamp I mean they have a lot of different guys at center we'll why does it need just fast forward to that time the I I think I made the joke twice in that actually I think my joke when they announced the lineup was matt move you know I don't I don't think Capella qualifies for it but maybe that's who it is but so they gotta wait because Bradley beal is essentially Jason Tatum older brother and if you want both from Saint Louis Yeah but like quite lit quite literally has been like his big brother since like tatum was like nine years old alter even younger there they have been that's as best friends basically and so to put those two together to give you two dynamics stars that are entering the of slated perfectly the be that backup guy and Kanter for whatever flaws you may have kids you something significant at the starting level too that's why you start cantor in my book if you're starting a big crime that you know have the kind of relationship where you can manage that we're seeing so many teams struggle so much to have two superstars that can co exist long-term so if you can guarantee ends that Memphis pick to put together for bill it's one of the best packages that's going to be out there yeah and I mean they've been saving these pick to get them a huge fish so I just let's see them unless the center the whatever big that they were GonNa get to try to win now was gonna be someone they want a as a big part of their long-term future I find it hard to imagine they would use that pick Sassi's and and now he just feels like he's there and he feels like he's there in a way that he wasn't there before and I think that just there's going to be less chaos going on around the team yeah to guaranteed years above the minimum yeah he's I think that cantor does most of he does at a better level poor. AC It seems like I think he's just he's like the perfect average backup big that's that's if they're putting in the starting lineup which is why I keep I'm throwing his starting line-up roads because he's he's just pretty clear on proven to be we we know what he think he didn't even play in the first game because it's like they don't even know I think we I'm a little lower on him maybe that I should be just because title Rosie album it was definite playing time yeah that's right 'cause he was really efficient so the way to solve that give them more shots got a very important one he he's not gonNA come on just say go there alcohol there it is is on exhibit ten they they'll they'll send him I mean it only because devante green is Lee Jalen adjacent are great together Jalen very difficult to predict he's a pretty insular person who also has a he has a big ego but not like in like he's rude kind of way but just he's extremely that together with another superstar Kemba that you know is going to coexist well then after all the chemistry south they've just dealt with I don't think Jalen Brown and j just very very good offensive players just give up more on the defensive end in particular in playoff settings when you know when you get into the last two rounds against good teams you just couldn't play at all really just the biggest problem with those guys is that body type that's required to do that just lends itself to being bad defensively okay and smart showed that he can be like a decent offensive player last year and he shot thirty seven percent from three so I don't think it's fluky if you've been I don't I don't know if anyone's word Marcus smart shooting as much as I have over the years that I could tell you it's been a very slow bumpy grind to get to where it is but I do think it is part of a linear path of him improving so I don't think it's going to be a fluke I wouldn't be shocked if he shoots thirty five or thirty six percent for the rest of his career but I don't think he's going to go back to being twenty percent three point shooter if he stays healthy so yup not that indisputably held off it's I mean it's not and what's more I think a lot of teams aren't as used to really dealing with this is from last year getting the foul line and the offensive boards are things that you know especially demand how cancer is used could look a lot better this year of Hayward has a bigger role he's Oh I do think their ability to keep defensive stretched out and then attack seems is still a strength that they have that's at a at a true title contender level even though we kinda failed in its theory last year I think that's still like they're big strength they just they've got they've got four guys on the roster that that could be twenty point scores in that yeah me too big strengths for this well these ASSOC Amigo delay he's big and he's very strong I think I think their permit or attack the last couple of rounds there's only a couple teams so they're mostly running that kind of stuff but it seems that most of the bigs are super effective when they were mostly short rolling and Yokich set Yokich I think avoiding turnovers something that they did very well last year now carry is amazing at that and he's not there anymore but and I do think a couple of their big weakness appeals more appealing to them than almost any other team although if I'm an MBA GM. I think bill is the perfect guy to acquire so I would wanna do that anyway yeah I'm really interesting really good post scores anymore either now if you really turn it up in the playoffs you can make it hard to get the ball into those guys etcetera cancer as well he's on the pick and roll like he can he can make plays got more of a free throw drawing profile in a larger role than anyone they've had it and cancer as well it it gets to the foul line quite a bit so I don't think they're going to be like you know we just we saw last year that high pick and roll teams are the ones that were really thriving for the most part and I it's a lot of that is just that those rituals the best seems and also once you get to he points it is something that they can be a little bit better at this year even if they're not necessarily going to be elite connect their strength docking in you know it's not necessarily we're going to you know lined up at the line of scrimmage attorney in the Post Ns cancer you know there's no as an offensive player like that's it's very useful he assume what ends up happening with beal he ain't stand it's not happening yeah no not reporting that I'm pretty pretty confident it's not GonNa happen means early on and then they kind of transition Aron Baynes and forced them into being that you know that that point center at the top of the key the way that Horford had the system designed nope but they're asking a lot out of him more than he's ever been asked before and he seems like the kind of person that can meet that challenge and maybe it pushes him to become the All star caliber Are Up to you because I want to get your take on this is it is a low post bruising center that draws a lot of fouls on the pivot guy still very valuable in the league yeah I mean I it's really and it just seemed like he wasn't even a part of the offense and he was just there to just whenever the shot went up he was just his turn to go in and fight for an offensive rebound and they used to do that with Aaron Bean give me shirt now you'd love to be able to throw it into the post and overwhelm smaller guys in get adult team especially against second units and get on the offensive glasses soul who are the guys over there pretty late those that's just a part of their game so it's hard to tell that strategic goal of that is just playing to their strengths with ns he's not much of a short roll guys other a full rimmer her or he plays out of the the dunker spot or he tries the duck in and so you know I was going back and watching a lot of the stuff that he was doing in New York when he was just kind of living in the dunker spots onto and it works to a decent degree except that just dribble penetration was always a problem so I'm trying to I've been trying to figure out like what is the we optimize and his canter without wearing him at the top the league there but I think we won't be looking at that and that gives the line a little bit more than we did who's the big weaknesses probably wasn't talked about enough so I think that just getting e air that he had the promise of being when he entered the league is like you know put up the numbers to get almost level but has ever just quite been been there maybe they finally bring that out of them but hi usage guy I think a lot of the guys who are going to create jobs they're going to do so at a league average efficiency or or right around there and maybe if he were comes through and he can be down obviously and I think a big part of hiding those of the dunker spot is that they just don't want their ribs to literally crack in half every single game so you gotta give them a break from the pounding of take roll into the realistic for him weakness as I'm GonNa Start with this one you you may disagree with me here I think that starpower when you're really talking now not in the regular season but when you're talking about really aging teams and at his age it as a small guard and they don't have anyone else really profiles to be you know they don't have that sixty percent true shooting beating with the best teams I think this team is missing some star Kemba you know is very lower end all and be last year I think he's not quite as good both chain up fifteen player in the league I agree my so and it's just it's hard to end I also don't see them being a leak defensive as well I mean I think defense at the center position with cancer is going to be a is going to be a question mark to be sure am Hayward tatum I felt a little differently about it that'd be a reason why he hasn't hit yet like a lot of it has such a speed like you have to go pursue that and he hasn't quite gotten to that point yet your are we still talking about cancer yeah okay open minded person off the court but then on the court he tends to play with blinders on a both both ends of the court he's like so good driving so good at finishing so good at at that's the stuff where I think he needs to to improve his awareness there's always been awareness concerns with Jalen the irony that he's like he's seen as a super smart at folk Roman instead everyone else up and maybe Kemba with more suffering can be more efficient but as of right now they don't profile to me to have a guy who's like I want to be sure I'm talking about in general but mostly and I I mean I think he's just a solid defensively like maybe you could talk about that but I think that's just move off screens and guys at slip around when the people that can pay attention to him see when he's looking away and they make a move away from him and he just gets lost a lot of the time so shutting down whomever is defending her handling his clothes out responsibility but then has trouble with help defense rotations has trouble finding the kickout and stuff like that so he's he's brought to you as you say for Jalen his weakness I think is important I never thought the post stuff was that important like it was mostly feeling that against it off to play Lebron James Yeah exactly or defense than you do I think I think Ron is definitely the best of those three guys and that Hayward had some moments in Utah but I thought he looked really bad last year I think tatum is not just needs very well now is everything else he does seem to make you think it would be good in the pivot so yeah I think like he really struggled is first couple years thought defending in the post and then a thirty you know I think we've covered everything except Saka Point Guard maybe yeah you know we haven't talked about any of the rookie wings and guard said words wanamaker yeah waters in training camp and he's a he's a big project but he he has borderline all-stars potential if he really really comes together I mean he was a top top-five prospect at high school he's he's got so much and he is six six I think now and he's got so much scoring potential nice feel for how to be a three level score but just like so much mechanical stuff to figure out he's he's got a long way to go so I don't think he's GonNa play a ton it was like Lebron Thad young where the guys get into it and it's like yeah those guys are like Super Athletic Force so they're gonNA be a problem for him for him I think he gets lost chasing creative guys word could be more versatile and the roles that they served become better which might not even be true just because we haven't seen Jalen play in the pivot and a long time and maybe he does it set like it's it's kind of I think it's a feel thing because he also hits insane acrobatic layups all the time so it's he has his his it stronger and tougher guys seem to go through him a lot of so I should clarify I read that Jalen is the best defender by a pretty decent margin I just think that tatum and he his ex difficulty capability is almost as high as possible yet in the NBA but his persistence not very great or consistency never agreed is so fine he's probably going to be playing like eight to twelve minutes a game or so it seems like Carson Edwards is probably going to be the guy that carves out that backup point guard role just a really acre who is probably going to start the season as the guy that gets a backup point guard minutes while Marcus Smart or current Gordon Hayward is probably gonNA run point for the most part they're still going to have another backup point guard better Kinda even towards the end of that twenty eighteen ron when he was guarding Lebron a little bit more and and then last year any other weaknesses wanamaker is like a very very straightforward You know savvy body control guy that can pull up and hit a three pretty well and he's big he's like six foot three or four so I know it's twelve forty-six on the east coast here in the morning so let lightning rod here for for weaknesses any else anything else that pops out and so I think he's probably going to get those minutes but eventually Edwards as he gets more and more used to the speed and power of Mba defenses is is going to carve out that role yeah I like to Summer League I mean if you play hard and you can shoot the the two pretty decent I mean he he's a better defender than you know your typical Eddie House type two in a very confusing player to cover that's sure no I mean and he's like a spectacular dunker but he a lot of layups that like you actually just expect him to make like is actually I think I put him at the baseline of forty eight and they could probably move ten wins era five wins either way pretty I wouldn't be surprised yeah I mean I could see them getting a fifty five I to me I think they could easily hit that it's just there's a I think the defense could be about average and I don't think the offense is GonNa be like absolutely I think they can get there but they're going to be over that regardless of all those other guys I think that the difference between what they had last year in the what he gives them this year is so what he could give him this era so drastic so is who you would think can be a lot better than they were last year and it's just again it's hard to count on that but it certainly well within the rela possibility I mean fifty five seems like a lot but it is the ease lancers team but so they that means that Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum are both playing pretty much all the way up to their potential and then then they could survive the pick and roll the two way I keep forgetting Romeo laying on the team and yeah it's it's basic traffic but he didn't play he's been hurt he had a groin issue so he didn't play that overall numbers finishing at the Rim I think are disappointing and it'll be like ones where like you're at the time he released it you're like Oh that's going and he's got he's got a great lane to the hoop and then he just missed you've pick and roll defence schematically wise to have their defense be 'cause if you're fifty five win team that means you basically have your Bazeley top ten in both categories right offense defense enough guys that need to take steps towards steps forward to make that happen that I can't count on that coup so I'm looking at it mostly is if Hayward's fully back to get some fit next to the guys they have because they've got other guys who could initiate but he's point-guard-size and he can guard the point guard on the other end I think shooting is very real right yeah it's real us on a couple of those was pretty funny he's the energy that he plays with great it's very infectious please on both ends and you compare that to Brad of solid playoff teams that could potentially contends they seem like they have like a ten win Dave Dave a pretty high floor with this group though yeah yeah the Ford are playing well then why on earth would you make that trade the they don't have they don't have they don't have filler salary unless hayward gets hurt they don't have any filler salary to move anymore disaster that's to come on defense but if if that's if those guys aren't playing at their absolute best than that I'm I'm not sure what they could do I like the Stevens Magic Defense and then you know can't really helps them offensively and walkers more efficient and tatum Brown and he gave a lot of guys oh they have a pretty a pretty big rain probably one of the teams in the league that's probably the hardest to peg down a low among the I guess sub contender level of like the AH we kind of get into that now worse case scenario to me is like forty four I think you know Kinda right in there with your Miami your your Brooklyn that kind of idea of them trading for Gasol but matching salary for him is a larger I mean there's no way you're not giving up either smarter were in that deal why and if both of those guys what the prestige item at next year's Vegas Summer League based on whether they close with yeah and how they get the defensive rating down low unless they completely flip what we know about pickerel defense on its head or or they make a move sure of course always gonNA feel like they're building good young team so there you know they can keep both those guys so it's not like things are going to completely fall off and be completely bleak for the franchise back pain apparently one size fits all so she did some research we return that one and found helixsleep helixsleep makes the mattress for you with that two minute sleep construe all right well thanks again a can follow your work jared Weiss NBA is the twitter handle. If I'm not mistaken mistakes all right and we will see but it'd be pretty apparent that they're not building towards contention anymore if they if they regress like that wall and especially if they win forty games Jalen and Jason didn't look too good this year although he had an air ball any I think airball the finger roll as well I came it seemed like they're not paying the basket it seemed like he forgot how it's all sleep forever all right I'm GonNa stop channelling an eighties commercial here but it really is true helixsleep makes the best mattresses out there because they're made for you for me you see a comparative yeah let's Do let's do some predictions her win totals yeah win win total for the AH for a high end center are those players around the shoe distracted Brandon Clark everything would have been totally fine yeah I mean like I've heard for example I think I mean and especially if Hayward tatum braun all look really good income looked really good you can see the front office being like eight we can get right into this in the east if we just make one move for Yeah I don't think I would definitely rather have marcus smart the market soul because of the age yeah although I mean if you're gotta guardrail and B. There's nobody better at that I think Mesa and Yeah Tyson smart I think would get you. They're pretty close if you needed to go that way but I agree smarts of available player you don't WanNa Nisa just give up absolutely love it go to helixsleep dot com slash cap space Talk about all the time here on the program Helix Sleep Ichi Lax helixsleep dot com slash space and that can get you up to one hundred twenty dollars off all mattress orders at helixsleep dot com slash castrates once again you can get up to one hundred twenty dollars off at helixsleep dot com slash cap space instance here and the place to start obviously with them is their performance last year because they've brought back larger the same team that should provide inadequate baseline to get I think it's the best mattress Now own three of them I tried one of those one size fits all mattress delivery companies back in two thousand fifteen my wife and I both developed bad guesswork probably handle it to a degree they probably wouldn't work so give me a number for your best case scenario sure fifty five forty five art and we're not we're in the middle according to you and your partners preferences should you so require a ten year warranty and you get to cry it out risk free for one hundred nights and they'll pick it up for you if you don't what's true they can't take that away from once once it has confounded you're always be the founder all right well so we exchanged we have to remain because he is the person that I know best who knows the most about his hometown team the Detroit Dan also the former are the founder reclose plus agreement and worse case for four MSA forty forty just that's just a sensation of going below five hundred would just be such a disaster and that's kind of a an again I think Stevens he has a pretty good track record as deepens approach me more so than an offer to coach in some ways so yeah but you work throughout the season came free to pay for my dinner in Vegas what if I told you that in just two minutes you could change the way you do you think that it might have been slightly less of a bloodbath if he'd been helping the whole way slightly very slightly I mean this is still the team that it was twenty one thousand nine hundred Boston Celtics say forty eight right now that's why I had to I wish I could over under I think it was forty nine and a half that's a little quiz matches your body type your sleep preferences whether aside Super Hot super pleasure firm bed no more confusion no more compromising with helixsleep and they'll even split it down Lavar a dissident political opinions before the show so no no risk of a of any of those offending anybody so let's let's talk a little bit about the Detroit of Piston power that's that's right I I always get that wrong you're you're the founder I am the founder and former lot of other things with it but yes founders I don't pay close attention to commercials Yeah I guess I don't either but I I don't recall seeing a key or a state farm ads or whatever else he was hawks aside but it's that so they're in the contender range but they could easily to the contender range I mean I'd be every awkward there are less than like it'd be less than like forty four wins that's is not nearly good enough to compete in the playoffs in part because they really ran Blake Griffin to the ground during the season just to get there and he was limping through the postseason Miss Time Yeah possessions a of one another but this wasn't a team that if you just looked at their personnel last year screamed Great Defense Andre Drummond was has waxed and waned don't forget that /capspace that you came from us all right let's bring in Dan Feldman of NBC now a common occurrence for us to do podcasts but one of the most severe shellacking that we've seen they did compete in the game four and then ended up giving up like a thirty two three run losing that one here but as it turned out they really didn't have the flexibility to add to this team at least not without paying the tax which understandably for the quality team getting a few years ago it's at least fewer than that they're so jammed in our face that people like you and me recognize it but they went forty one forty one last year and then got demolished is your are they going to be able to keep that up this year I think it was the usual hallmarks of a good regular season defense they were well coached Dwayne Casey did a good job of getting everybody of the bucks really had their numbers the pucks were really good team and that's what you run into when you go barely climb into the playoffs as an eight seed yeah although as you sat I mean it was by the bucks in the playoffs is one of two times ever four-game sweep team lost every game by fifteen plus they were good enough in the regular season to make the playoffs and then when they got there they were exposed and they want or they had the point differential fifty two win team lascaux and the ball if it's over last year's team that hey maybe that's not what it should be by more than fifteen as Wallich at the beginning of the fourth quarter but yeah so it definitely you might have said okay well we have any illusions like we gotta find a way to get better oh man can you imagine what it would feel like after everything they've been through all the feel goods going into the thing though is that like as long as they have Jason Tatum Jaylen Brown worse scenario if you try and trade everybody else at rock-bottom value so I thought the most encouraging aspect of the Pistons performance a year ago traditional center seventy five percent of this great bet a this is like the dirtiest bet I've probably ever done a fantastic thanks for joining us man and looking forward to the main defender on an above average defense but he's not some defensive star yet I think when you look at their defense with the stars on the floor is there defense raking twelfth overall but you know pretty much kinda mid pack there are a bunch of teams between ten and fifteen all clustered within one point per one hundred it's so so perfectly mundane although that's more than what they're over under is your but anyway sorry I I it was so scintillating to me that they went forty one and forty I had to interrupt and Blake Griffin to a lot of Iza has really slipped on that end so how were they able to defend as well as they did a season ago because that's the number one question to me they do not want to do right and I think that was the right move if you make some type of drastic shake-up you're selling low on basically everybody except for Blake Griffin and I just don't think that's worth Ah is a was Andre Drummond performance better than we kind of been led to believe he was was he like the Lynch pin of that two different teams with the starters and with the bench they offensively they were totally adequate with Griffin and Drummond out there but defensively you know there are much more kind of time all the way throughout the rotation so offense last year twenty first in the NBA we mentioned that with Griffin on the floor they're relatively passable like giving up on the season so that they knew all along they had to play hard They had to be connected defensively and I I give dwayne Casey a lot of credit for forgetting everybody on that page on the same page keeping things simple and often they played hard they knew what they were they knew they were a team that couldn't just coast into the playoffs they were also a team that wasn't tanking his reputation is about right which is somebody who because of the size because of his ability to move as a good defender and somebody perfectly capable of being the in that regard but isn't regard as an elite defensive center and then Reggie Jackson really struggled they didn't have anyone who's really qualified as a wing stopper I you know I think there is value in making the playoffs even as an eight seed that get shellacked by the ones they like it's not the best season but there are worse seasons and you'd be heading into defense from a personal standpoint yeah he was he was he is progress defensively throughout his career. I'm not sure this was like the big breakthrough everybody wanted started on projecting their performance this year yeah you know the Pistons went forty one forty one last year are they looking pretty it's so funny that there are forty one and forty level offensive ratings with those guys off the floor right so I mean this is a team that's short on players who don't have some deficiencies so they're making these types of trade offs all the Romans was one oh eight but you know when they had Blake Griffin off the score off the floor ed or or Drummond off the floor they really just could not score it all you know and they had worse than of mid pack slightly below average type defense and then when those guys were off the floor the defense got a lot better for example Germans backup says Pachulia One oh five defensive rating eh in terms of protecting the rim it was progress it was good it was obviously good enough for them to have this above average defense of there's probably room for him to get better on that end just because he's so physically talented he's so big he moves well I he really can get after it on the glass that's where he applies himself the most is furthest along as understanding rebound all won ten but even more than that with Drummond So do you expect that to improve or decline this year based on the I pulled please continue I think it's good timing that we're doing the Pistons preview now because this is maybe the least defensive team in the league I don't mind that interpreted if he wants to if he's committed and focused on that steady progress but it wasn't I don't I don't think people are missing the boat on him being some defensive lynchpin with the ball I mean there's nothing dramatically interesting about them a Blake Griffin hasn't even doing commercials anymore is he that any anymore confident in themselves in unique ways but so you know maintaining that star harmony is extremely difficult and they know they could pull it off if they get bill so I perssonel and based on you know projecting the performance of the guys were comeback. I'm going to answer the same way I've answered so many questions in the years we've done this will probably be about the same talk I I'm not sure that Blake Griffin can maintain that super high level that he had last year meals as best seasons five percent which was also a career high so I'm very interested to see him we've seen Andre Drummond be a really good pick and roll threat with Reggie Jackson accent back in that amazing playoffs he's a twenty fifteen sixteen and they also got swept and Blake Griffin obviously at the grew with his pick and pop game where you're not necessarily gonNA WANNA leave the six percent True shooting three point shooting thirty seven percent had not been over thirty percent since two thousand thirteen fourteen just an athlete he knew how to take advantage of that amazing athleticism he had maybe he's learned to take advantage and play with with what his physical profile is now but that is learned at this stage of his career how to contribute within his athletic limitations relative to what he was maybe he's figured out play figured out how to play ones like he wasn't him open as their primary threat he could be really useful My question is just how much is he actually GonNa play with that Groupie I could see him being a lot less effective when he was able to work with Karl Anthony towns it looked really really good and so yeah I think the jump shot was zone that's not necessarily going to sustain is it in his career although that lasts knicks season he actually hits on that but he wasn't hitting the three pointer that and then the finishing at the rim was much better as well sixty and he also was finally hitting the mid ranger as well forty four percent for mid range which was really a shot that had largely abandoned him at ten in a couple of years before that remember you had that weird year with the Knicks and then he had that you're in Cleveland where he signed for them in a moment and ended up getting traded to what are you projecting from him this year I know you mentioned that you felt like there's some overlap with his skill level but what's going to be able to continue for what he did last year Ah what might be fluky in your mind I mean he had that year in a lot of ways because he was making jumpers including three pointers at a rate he just hadn't before also taking more of his shots from downtown as well up to nineteen percent of of his shots from downtown which he really issued the three pointer or in his career and I'm not really counting on that to continue of but it might like maybe he's turned the corner I see the idea of not ruling out that he's fool been level exception they they left a little bit on the table there to to do some other moves but rose had really you wouldn't say career but the it's a different thing there's a lot of overlap but they do have some more individually skilled offensive players yeah and rose was the big edition two years close to also the type of season that when you look back on could easily be fluky what he did for the Timber Wolves last year and to put that in perspective career high fifty they got Joe Johnson I I do think it was a goal to get players who are more skilled individually offensively how that comes together is a different thing completely maybe not backup point guards derrick rose you need a solid third point guard just because of roses injury concerns and maybe I I do think it's possible that fraser just cracks the rotation if he has to run a bencher see I can see it the other way of maybe he can lead some of these units and you have the ball in his hands but I do agree there is on it What other new additions here stand out to you so they signed Markeith Morris who had pretty much lost your last season he had that neck room for a good fit there with Drummond with Griffin? Yeah I don't think I think there'll be times some of this is going to depend on how the rest of the rotation shakes cold hard cash ten Gilbert continuing to stimulate the Detroit economy with that but but the Tony Best Year of his career at least a on a per play basis since his Injury Way Back Edna Twenty twelve the first game of the playoffs it in twenty twelve todd released and then sunny with Minnesota leading he's actually playing some in the playoffs but I mean he did have the ability to really attack downhill off the pick and roll and take I'm very curious what it'll be a he could probably play either even with defensive shortcomings at center they have Christian would who could play center end Blake Lahser Song but not to play Blake at center and so that's what I I'm curious whether they'll change I don't think it will I don't expect backup center Joe Johnson is probably ANTEA fringe rotation player same with Tim Frazier. Tom Frazier is an important addition if your point guard and player he's somebody who could be a small backup center especially because what are the other options be good also slide in and played twenty minutes at the backup four I expect him to have some role in the the end it just never really found traction so I'm not convinced that all of a sudden he's going to be back to the player he was but maybe maybe he can be an effective rotation be long enough defensively rather than some of these three guard lineups they're using so he's functional small forward who fits in and that's not I mean that's not what a good anyway and they play Dirk gross at the two yeah that's interesting that he played some there as wallet in Minnesota I think Frazier he's kind of a poor man's ish passable defender now it doesn't get a ton of shots up he's not a threat to do anything off the dribble whatsoever but in the Pistons have not had really reliable is not ideal small forward size but he's closer than anybody else and he should fit in well can space the floor spot beyond the three point arc maybe not do much else than that has it seems like his reputation has vacillated far more than his performance throughout the course of his now is his final year with the Bulls a contract year I know you loved me saying and they added a little bit more offense of punch I that was a clear goal got derrick rose they got murky Moore's liked to be playing a lot of sentiments but they're more up for grabs this year with with the roster so maybe that's something they're banking on I don't expect it but it's it's there for the taking if they team has there but it's better than what the Pistons have had their especially after the the trade deadline last year where it looked like they traded Reggie Reggie bullet they traded Stanley also a new addition number fifteen overall pick it is it your expectation that he's GonNa be just spending a lot of time with their G. League team Auden and it was something you want to talk about later but especially at the big spots is Blake Griffin getting a lot of minutes as the backup center if so then yeah who played more derrick rose or breath to me just hard nose guy got some good athleticism is really struggled with his shot but it can run some pick and roll run the team well enough it and hopefully just under maybe there's a role for him but that seems like asking a little too much as a rookie by the way we we have to say Tabula Rasa on this show you know this is percents from downtown the volume hasn't necessarily been there but I mean he's forty forty one percent forty percent forty percent in his three years in Milwaukee and he going to be more of a powerful though he's such a blank canvas who knows but he has some ability to come in and Hustle and grab some rebounds as a small forward to be versatile this is real high brow la entertainment we gotta go for the Latin near you can't say blank canvas not that sophisticated enough for our our listeners isn't going to kill you And of course they got Tony Snell in that deal picking up the thirtieth pick which was later mood for a number of second runners and US Johnson they were very fortunate to get Wayne Ellington maybe they knew that was going to happen when Ellington filled in very well as that wing and now Tony Snow is going to do it yeah it's interesting Snell artless what do you think of what Snell can bring them graduate runoffs now he slipped through and he might be they're starting small forward I'd say he's the player most likely to be their starting small forward and word I mean somebody like Luke Kennard or even Langston Galloway all of a sudden and Tony Snow looks like the size to do it yeah and a secret boy obviously four he came over to the Milwaukee he really struggled and and he was expendable there but still you know he's never shot us since his rookie has never shot less than thirty six Bush shotmaking from that position three now he's pretty skinny he's probably more of a to better guarding smaller players but in terms of to play on the wing I I agree with you that might be like the best unsee not and now that I think is the main question whether he's playing with rose whether drums playing with those kinds of trickles down from that how much did they stagger Drummond lawyer given given the tenor of of our negotiations. 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79: Green Earth Medicinals

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79: Green Earth Medicinals

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I'm higher peaks Mrs Lady Sativa You're listening to the dirt show where we bring you organs cannabis culture. Talk. A right look into the dirt show I'm higher peaks, Lady Sativa Holy Hell it has been a long time since we've been on. We haven't been on the last couple of episodes. We've had a couple of things going on. Yeah. plants busy fucking life. Yeah and it gets busy on an offer. You guys this time of year especially now that Kobe's going on like prices are going up and and we have great people that like to just not come to their job. So, there's a whole staff dot com. I hope they enjoy their new fucking jobs. That's all I gotta say. So 'cause we don't have to deal with their asses anymore. Okay. Little better. Will you're having work extra shifts or other people and? Also like I said, like you said the other day at least there was a bit of a shortage. Oh Yeah. Yeah flower there's definitely a shortage because the fact that you know everything's getting sold out a whole lot faster just toilet paper. shit getting sold out a lot faster so. People are requiring or requesting to pay higher prices. So they can buy it out of other people by out of underneath other people. So certain farms are getting higher prices from certain dispensaries because they don't want anybody else to buy it out from underneath them. So they're willing to pay the highest price. Yeah and you know people are actually There's there's nothing else to do it. Smoke weed I suppose alcohol sales are up to but smoke weed like one of the articles that was going to mention his seth Rogan's and vice on any covid smoke weed and watch movies which I'm sure. A lot of people do oh, I'm sure So that's why there's so many like when did they come out with the top ten things to watch on Netflix? Cove it. Yeah. Right now, it's like top ten most things to watch in the US yeah yeah yeah. Starting to break those categories. While I'm sure Netflix Osher, all the services picked up. Oh Yeah. So any any kind of entertainment. On I'm sure it's the services because a lot of people don't really enjoy cable. Rate Yeah well except for you know we got that SMART TV now in there's they put like Internet channels and Shit on their. Yes. But we don't have cable the I know. Not An issue I don't. Care No I. Guess Locals Good. Enough Oh. Yeah. But as far as thou also grow, we've been busy in I to catch everybody up. You know we've got a few guys helping us out with our genetics I wanNA shout out to them because they're not I mean that's doing free work and Sharon all the work with me and And they're really doing good the plants look great. So I'm seeing a bunch of Venos- out there I just WANNA. Shout out to him at quack five three. At the Happy Plant Guy and this is on Instagram at Ryan Helen, and at go hard, go home list those guys are really killing for me I do keep reposting so you can find him on my timeline but I just WANNA shout out to them and say thank you very much for the work they're putting in. Guy To give it back to us. Yeah. But related to that to our grow The Choco is fucking huge It's like seven. said that we should just grog it. Well I might have to I think it's going to hit the top of I'm sure it is. So he said just full Doug Shit down. The thing about it is like it's GonNa. Take more room to. So I'm I'm kind of pushing my room any way. So if I do do that, which I may have to, it's going to take up some some whip too. But I might have to and I'd kept top net thing all year. which so seems like it's holding up though and doing real well, I can't wait to see the flowers. Now, all the other ones are doing good to They're all the other ones all are about maybe four to six feet I did we just pulled a male out of there that was about six feet tall and Yeh, biggest one we've ever grown we were looking at it wondering if It was male or female, and we were curious job until what six feet like was tall it was tall before we could actually really tell that it was a male 'cause it was throwing us off like it could have been a herm We weren't sure. So until released start popping its balls and that's when we really like Oh shit I know and when they start popping out that comes quick. No. Pun. intended. Yeah. They don't they. Once they're popping out they come quick. So. I just tore him down because I was getting real nervous and you know I mean being in the middle of our lady's. Yeah and but they take a picture I was proud of a six foot male plant thing would have sprayed everywhere. Yes. Miles. I would donated some pollen to about three blocks from they would've been real happy with you at least it wouldn't be hand. So yeah maybe it would I don't know ems pretty close around here. Not that close but yeah but it's not flowering right yet. Already fucking pulled that Shit if Nubia. Sure. Sure. Your skills is looking buck and fire I don't know how we did it but we got I. I mean we talked perfect I mean it. It's perfectly like dome-shaped cleaned it out well, and he's Scotland again, it does need to be cleaned again bad but it it's beautiful like there's a lot of tops on their It is a little bit shorter I'm not worried about it is going to have a ton. I've heard all of them are like that though it's not in shorter just this one it's the everybody that's running the same one that we have the same strain that we have his all doing the same. Short Squat Gabbard the are they coming out like that dome-shaped? Oh, good. So maybe it's just a natural skittles thing. Yeah Yeah Oliver, other crosses are doing good to like I said four to six feet and you know. All looking good. So I have nothing report other than I've been using the joke. He grow Arche grow solutions nutrients this year, it's only a four part. which sometimes scares people especially with the CALMAC thing but we haven't run into any issues at all everything's looking beautiful this year and you were watching me of the day feed him in really wasn't that hard compared to when I was mixing. You know other organics like the six ten, twelve part. Yeah. We've gone through our fair share of mixing and the key grow is as organic chemistry. If you will that's a loose term but but I, I'm really liking him and it seems like, I haven't had to like flush him. I haven't had any kind of build up issues or like the sides of the pods aren't like. Salty or anything. So I'm really happy with it and we're still using the mammoth and s Aleph. So always I don't think we ever haven't. No No but everything's going well Oh what I did like this year's we're using that biocontrol. Mammoth and look. Zero bugs like you know I caught him early as far as whatever I scoped on the plans just been using that weekly since day one and there's we've had I haven't seen an eighth amid I haven't seen a caterpillar yet although I'm spraying for them I haven't seen any kind of thrift or any kind of leaf damage like nothing obsolete and. we did have threats on that skittles when I got it in and also spider Mites it. It was only Alec scope like one or two, but still there that's enough. Yeah. That's like head lice. One is enough. same with crabs. Yeah. Yes But I just WANNA know multiplies too many. Yeah. I just want to note the plants have zero bug damage. I don't scope any bugs yet and we're deep into the point of we should have aphids. So I mean, I'm really happy. I'm really going to be happy about the quality of the product from compared to previous years with all the shit. We've had the deal. Yeah. So enough of that The one thing I did want to get out is that we do need to do is that we Patriot everybody hears that commercial at the front. and we have you know pay patron patriot, Patriot patrons But we WANNA start shouting out to those people that join because obviously we should. And we WANNA start that and we have two new ones and one is John and he's one of the team to he does a lot for us. Oh Hell and so but he's joined up top tier and his APP Pippen Junior John so p. I p. i.. N Jr J., O. H. N.. And also Lucille Lewis and so we appreciate him absolutely. Basically, this is what's going to keep his going. Yes. Essentially if we want to improve and stuff. And we have been improving just. We can really improve now but as far as John Pippen is all the guys that follow us the whole team that I'm going to mention here Basically, if you're not following him following because like I said, he's one of our big contributors K. and then the rest of the team. Mr Unstoppable grow Farro farms droopy Weiner t shirts we've been working with him on some graphics we have Steph. We shown yet that he's done really cool with So we might not even start a separate I G for Shit like that for like. Fan Artists are. Fan. You call it. I was just put it on ours. That's a lot of. I was going to be for you though. I'm like I'm already running talent health club right now I as it is. I know I know a lot of course, JV AT ORG anarchist. He does a lot for us. Yes he does and at blissful farm. So thank you for letting me get through that I appreciate all those guys and that's pretty much the whole crew that like sticks with us and does free things for sir, donates time or energy or whatever, and we do it for them too. So you know I just go by the way saying as I know that JV's listening I talked to A. I talked to Carl Gorge. You know Karl on newco. Yes. About how he has his seeds on the wreck market and I I gotTA jv. I'll get whole you here scene and I'll let you know what to do. Yeah. In fact, he Carl's got to get him out there. He's got the photosynthesis plus Well, it's super simple. He's already working with Indigo Gardens to Oh nice but he's Migrelief Hydro J. B. is already working with Indigo Gardens. He could easily have his seeds out on the rack market. Oh, Nice. Actual seeds out seeds. Nice. He wants to sell. No he was I was talking to Carl about how he did it. And he's seeing already working through a farm. He's already got his foot in the door dacha. Well, that's good. yeah. Carl's a good guy I think said, like you said, it's my he's micro lab. He is microbe life hydro. Something like that. He gave me his information while he does a lot of things but I think we use that product I used to this plus for like two years. Yeah. I asked him what exactly Dito? He's like I am a man of many coats. Yeah he's. Thinking distributes products, lots of different things. She does so many different stuff. So with that said. I. Think we should just go into the news real quick got a couple of things Wanna read I'll let you start off more I. This one's pretty interesting marijuana moment put together comprehensive four thousand word over IRV view. Of where Democratic vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris. On cannabis from campaigning against legalization as a California prosecutor to being the lead sponsor of a Senate bill to end federal prohibition and numerous points of evolution in between. President trump asked about Democratic vice presidential designate Kamala Harris claimed she smoked marijuana and while listening to yet to be released. Snoop? Dogg. And two albums said she lied but he declined the opportunity to go after her broader cannabis policy to policy record in response to follow up question. Well, she lied, I, mean, she said things that were untrue. She is a person that's told many many stories that weren't true. Man. Of many words. He is so smart. I think she lied. Not sure because she's had many many lies many lives. Many. Many stories that weren't true I know it sounds like and you know this because their friends I touched i. Shouldn't be alive she she's advocate for cannabis. Why? Did A lot of embezzling of cash and a lot of whore mongering. As as we've seen, we've seen the interviews with Barbara. Walters. Let's go into what you've done sir. Wait we can't. That's a long laundry list. We don't have a lifetime. Trump has lied. Many many stories that were true. A right the Oregon Secretary. Of State designate it initiatives to legalize suicide Ben Therapy and to decriminalize drugs and fund treatment as measure one, nine and ten respectively. Right. So it made the ballot and that's really good. Yeah finally. Yeah and we've been talking I've been talking about this since last November ever in the studio single thing that I have seen to signed I have signed. Yeah. Every single one. Yeah and there was a lot around here in Ashland. This stuff like. That really was in every time I saw outside of things I made sure to sign I made sure that I stayed on anything that I could to sign up to legalize right at least get it on the ballot and that's what this was. All about is getting it on the ballot woman. Now, the next step is getting illegalized exactly. Well, that's the thing. So but I think with all the backing that they had Also, there's some new backing with it with decriminalized nature. I you know hopefully it's just gonNa Pass I. Hope that it's instead of the the steps that we had with cannabis. Right, we had years and years of trying to vote it in. Hopefully, it will go through a lot quicker. This time because we kinda knew how to approach it. Well and they're were worried when Kovic hit because he couldn't vote yet vote by mail and you had to do this, do that and legal to vote by mail. Fraud Fraud. So. Shit, we're doing different president's voice. So that so that's good i. just want everybody to know that that is awesome. We did get on the ballot, and so now we're going to pass it and next thing you know one of our future episodes like we've been talking about this for almost a year now. So future episodes. Got To be passing. All right. So I got a few to throw out euro quit Ca. So here we go with Psychedelic side. Oh. By the way we before I even read these. Yes I we should. Relive our weekend, relieve our weakened. We did Did A. A little. Journey if you will, what would we call him where you have reset? Yeah, psychedelic reset. But you know we've done it several several times over the years over the ten years and So. We've pretty much always tried something different. Yeah. Yes. As far as situations, this time wasn't so much psychedelic reset, but at the same time, it was like we were. It wasn't like when we take our heavy doses. Nothing like that. But Maybe for you well, because we were capable of doing things like usually we happy doses. No. Quarter. Jagged pretty lethargic. But no, it was no more than like we will. We experienced in the cemetery or something like done. But what it was took approximately an eighth of mushrooms following up with a a regular head of LSD ahead or you. Should have been only one swimming I. Don I haven't done any research on what exactly one is I think it's like two hundred and fifty micrograms or some okay. I don't know but again like I don't know it was in there. Someone could say one hit or two hits and it's just GonNa be what it is but we took one dose. I'll say whatever that was it was on Oreo cookie which like you said doesn't have to be on that. No let's go back to the paper. Just give it to me on a piece of paper sounds good in the paper. I WANNA. Eat An oreo cookie if I want an Oreo cookie Elliott it on my own I don't I don't need it. So with acid. I'll let you report on your version of it. My thing was I just prefer mushrooms better at the three and a half grams really started me off really nice and rate in the body high was using talk about no pain cannot shoutout to Keenan of right. Go Dark Friggin stone grounds, chocolate ground, chocolate, her mushrooms, you're Yo-. BED, so but it really I just loved it and then followed that up with as soon as I started coming down from the Muslims, we took the LSD and why had already taken it because my dose wasn't as high as. You only had like to say two grams two and a half grand about you two two and a half year it was like half of a chocolate. had other stuff with the previous half, right? Right. Right and so so when acid hit me it it just it was great. It was just different in doesn't like I feel like I'm learning things from mushrooms I fell like more connected I felt. Like you know like I was part of the whole nature thing and when asked kicked in, it was just kind of decisions in you know color changes color changing and I did a lot of like web never seen before were you to the point where? You know you'll look at something that's what we talked about Brown but it looks purple the rocks on the other side they looked really purple to misery ranches. Like yeah. But. It was a great time. What would it? What was your experience I didn't get as much when it came to the mushrooms but when it came to the acid kicking in definitely nice like that when you start building that rock. The Rock Tower on my leg I was able to relax and just stare at the sky and the sky was literally changing colors for me. I was good for like how long was I. Sitting there for about an hour. I can't tell time no idea I was sitting there I just know that I was sitting there for a really long amount of time until I started hearing. Those fucks behind us That came out of fucking nowhere and ruin like seriously ruined my high like I was good. But it was we were starting to come down anyways but. like I said, the sky was changing colors are blue light blue. There's purple all sorts of stuff I get officially started when I watched when I pointed out that one wave look like or that one cloud look like a wave and then cloud wave if cloud wave out and and then it turned it went from away like crashed and then it turned into a mushroom. And then it just kind of disappeared and then from then on this guy kept changing colors and it's like you could see I could see the smoke moving in because I knew that it. You know it smokey around here right now I could see the smoke moving. I could see every cloud start to come through the trees. The trees were really vibrant in the branches coming out were really purple. It was really pretty and then. As like as I started getting a little bit more anxious sitting there 'cause I started hearing the rocks behind me and stuff like that. That's when I accidentally knocked the rock tower down right and just be clear. So we're clear about this So my wife likes to build the Rock towers like we're going through. Fern Canyon, which is a beautiful place to be amazing place to be built a rock tower. Well, I decide on acid trip that I'm going to have to focus on something. Yeah if I start to get even if it's like I didn't have a bad trip at all but if I start to go bad, one thing I can do is focus play a video game you know bray older raw anyway. So focusing was great and so I decided to build one on your side This is very hard to do you were floating on a mattress on the river I was stable I did have my but hetchy rocks and I did have my arm on Iraq? But we'll have to put that picture up for patron. Yeah. I. Can see that. Yeah. But. Yeah it's then then honestly these punk ass kids from California started throwing huge ABS- rocks into the water and started hitting trees with with branches. I'm guessing because I don't know what the hell they were doing it with I couldn't really see and they came out of nowhere and all of a sudden they were just there and just throwing destroying and destroying the land and it's like I. Let it go for. You know five ten, maybe fifteen minutes and then I was just done like you asked me not to say anything but I couldn't hold it back anymore and pissed me off. So I yelled at him to fuck and knock it off and they yelled fuck you and then they walked away. And you reminded me, we don't have cell phone service I said Yeah. But we got bigger rocks and sticks and. We've been around this environment a whole fucking lot more. Well, one things out in the middle of nowhere. We didn't have cell service and there was probably four or five of them their punk, ass kids I. Well, yeah and yeah, they were just talking shit yeah that's all they do really got very destructive like that's valid. Bothered me right on the border of California. Oregon you know and so but it's it's sad to to see people destroying the land like that I don't know what to tell you. That's pretty yeah. It is sad to know that if if they were an Oregon, maybe a wooded went over there with you. Yeah I was I. was getting really fucking pissed. I really was getting bothered my high. That was just like I'm sitting here staring at this beautiful environment and then I hear you wrecking it. As I'm staring. Yeah and that did kind of that. Did it wasn't a negative part of the trip but it did knock me out of the loop. Yeah it frustrated me. Yeah, and so it's it's harder to deal with those things because you're already you're already zone where you're you're peeking out on different emotions and stuff like that. So it's really hard to tap to deal with that but. You know I did notice to after that. We'll even before that like with the acid mushrooms I would go through. circles of like lethargy like a really tired. And then be. Okay. And it'd be really tired and they'd be really okay to happen to you Yeah. I. Start Yawning and then. I'd be like, okay, I'm anxious. Now let's get up walk around and then the only the thing I didn't. Like I don't like as much about LSD lasts. So Damn Long like it just last and that's okay but it gets tiring like. 'cause sometimes, I do have to focus or something, and it's just like at some point is okay. I'm done and it's still going Am I keep going and then? Yeah. So it was good that we started early in the day especially if you want to be able to sleep that night. So that's my recommendation so that it sleep I still didn't sleep no but maybe that's better maybe I should have done it early at night not slept that night the next day and maybe Circled around to sit it again. Okay. Well. So that is our last experience We do them every month or two by the way. Once coming to US what mushrooms? Yes don't shout out who it is I won't. It will bring it to we're going to stop. Picked I need stop and pick them up at some point. At is awesome. I think about an eight and a half. Mushroom chocolates coming to me to cool. Yes. Sweet. Very Nice I. This is all surprised meet people I just found out. All Jealous. So that that leads me into these stories John Hopkins wants to hear about your psychedelic journeys for new ruled real world study. if you plan tripping on mushrooms anytime soon, if you're willing to fill out a few surveys, is like real world real world mushroom days or something would he? Just MTV real world or are we talking about something different real world wrote meaning real world study meaning that a legitimate study you can fill out surveys based on your psychedelic experience. MTV. Sorry. Yep So says researchers at Johns Hopkins. University had been at the forefront of PSYCHEDELIC studies in a lab setting are partnering with a Denver based nonprofit together thousands of real world experiences with Cilla Sivan verging from standard research setting they're hoping to gain a better understanding the factors that influence a trip in its outcomes. So they asked people to plan to use suicide into share their experiences in order to build a better understanding, you can just fill out surveys basically, a large survey set actually anybody that's planning to use suicide bins in the next six months can sign up to join the study. So you find up yeah. You can look that up marijuana moment should have it their under John Hopkins. So. That was pretty cool. Can you do it from home? That's what they do. You have your experience, you order the survey packet register and then. They send you the survey pack and then you just fill it out says it's a large packet onto we should. We should have done it with this last experience. Why can't we do? Well, we can have a new experience and then do that maybe the lettuce do both. Can I give you all my experiences. I got can you send me a couple packets? So next thing is Canada's GonNa? Let terminally ill patients you psychedelic mushrooms for end of life care. There's four current cancer in the end of life care that would become the first people in decades to legally possess and consume solicitation. For the end of life care that's pretty fucking go Canada. Yeah. Sing as I have a customer that's literally like wasting away and dying like He. We thankfully got see him today. And let me tell you even if you don't take like with mushrooms I'm gary seeing this even. Because I know this for sure. At least in my experience is that if you take the right of mushrooms, you can get a really good long body I without the visions. Yeah and I had mostly that on that three and a half grams that we took I had a really good body high and had zero pain I felt like I was basically laying on a pillow. So I WANNA say that even if you don't take to how psychedelic visions to get in touch with God or whatever it's going to take away pain for good few hours So anyway, that's my two cents and then I got a shock you with this win women who use marijuana more often have better sex study says. Among women who enjoy marijuana why are you laughing? You? Don't I just think it's funny I. No comment. Thanks. Among women who enjoy marijuana, there's no shortage of anecdotal evidence that adding a bit of cannabis can bring a thrill to the bedroom and in states where the drug is legal marketers of capitalized on that claim teach CFC's lubricants promised increase arousal and better orgasms empower. Right and some sexual health advocates have built entire careers and cannabis enhanced intimacy. I don't know about all the loops and stuff I mean it might give you tangle or whatever but I think just the finding the right strain. Or. Even just we have used the loops before and I do gotta to say that I didn't feel too much of a difference. No no I didn't like it didn't make me feel tinguely high down in my vaginal area. But whatever. But has county I mean obviously cannabis is has been aphrodisiac not should lead to better sakes. Yes it is certain strands. It is a certain Turpin that is out there that it helps with that. And you'RE GONNA. Love this one. Don't drive high on marijuana even if you're being chased by an axe murderer, a new federal PSA says. Now, like you said earlier, but what stupid stoner had to ask the question to get this article written? But What if I'm getting chased by an axe murder Bro. Can. I drive then so so the federal government says Shit Oh, my God. Thank. These fucking idiot. Say on TV radio and web listen the latest pushed by the Federal Government to deter marijuana impaired driving coming to TV radio and the web it's message. Even if you're being chased by an axe wielding psychopath, it's not worth driving I fuck you and if the cops chase me instead of the axe murder fuck them to it's you gotta be fucking twisted Bro but you you really got a good point like. What what stone or actually got them. Just like the reason why we have the food stamps sticker on the fucking place at work is because somebody had to ask if they could use their food stamps card to buy something Like it had to be put up there for a reason. Just like that. This item is hot on the top of the coffee at McDonald's I. They had to get sued in order to put it on there. That's fucking coffee. Of course it's hot you dumb, ass but I'm I'm almost wondering are they mocking storeowners by that? Are they mocking but by what you said, you said why I feel What stupid stone had to say, and that's what they're saying is that we fucking stupid storeowners that that's what we're asking really Betcha as one of those money'll. This isn't it. This says in the commercial, the men ultimately find a vehicle to escape the scene, but the driver pauses before he turns the key in the ignition and takes a hit. Wait wait wait. He says I can't drive high I can't drive I'm high chase me don't chase me I'm high too high for this. So my godless Mrs don't worry. The two would be murder victims swap seeds in ended up getting away safely while the sober one man's the wheel. Yeah I'm rarely around as number friend, right? I I'm I'm a stone her I'm GonNa hang around stunners I doubt it'd be like Oh you were D- D for The axe murderer. Thanks. Who is non a stone? It is Oregon. So I I can't tell you if. I think Ramon and men well, the only two that that don't smoke lame around. Yeah. Well, that's it. Like crystal smokes with me Kristen smokes with me. So. Those, those guys don't count. Well, I hope you enjoyed her long story in the news. I've heard people enjoy our banter saw only a little birdie. told me. Again, there's always those people that hate banter fuck him. Again. Thanks to the patrons we really appreciate you you mean a lot and. as far as what we're putting up lady Sativa is going to be putting a lot more of her personal stuff up what she does at work and shit like that. Also I've got I'M GONNA I'm wondering if we shouldn't use your really nice cool as video made and make that a patron thing to four for because I see it before you do that but it's you know it's not only it's not only video, but she's really hot in it. So maybe it should be behind the wall. Still, need that song though. I know I got to do that. So. All right. Let's let's talk about what. To Green Earth Medicinal I sat down with them they are A. Basically a line physician formulated CB botanical. They're also use other herbs in their mixes. That's kind of a synergistic thing. But what's really cool about him is they are physician. Physician doesn't have to write a script, he recommends it and then the people can get it but they can't order online to as well. basically, just to let everybody know I wouldn't you know talk to a CB company that wasn't didn't have some sort of legitimacy. There's a lot of weird shit marketing and stuff we talk about that but they do like four stages of testing. They do a biomass testing So right after the harvest regardless of what the testing's already been done, they still do their own biomass that they by then they do an extra testing after it's done than they do batch testing and then they do finished product testing. It's it's good stuff and it's all they. Awesome. That's that's good to hear. Yeah. The four steps even after anything that's happened beforehand which I really liked also to their CBD is not. Isolate this'll it whatever it is. Quote Unquote full spectrum. So I sit down with green earth medicinal and we talked about a lot of things we talk about all different kinds of herbs actually how they work together and how they work. With CBD, we talk about the quality of their product. We talk about how they go through physicians We also have a good talk about psychedelics with them to in how how they're gonNa work with mushrooms to. Once, you know things move forward. So without further ado here it is green Earth Medicinal 's Org love laugh stay rooted. I've been working out dismal since my. Twenty three years professionally door for a chain of health food stores that was on by naturopathy. And learned at the feet of professionals to respect at sense as serious fines and serious medicine. So and that's part of how I ended up with this company was that I was looking for somebody. Who understood. The cannabis plant. Botanical medicine and there weren't a lot of people to be found in doing that because for a lot of professionals, they weren't willing to put the license at risk. Because you're So many of these medical professionals, your professional license is peer reviewed based on your training and are you using what people with your training with us so Chinese. Medicine in particular, they have their. Limits because they really WANNA stick with their tradition that they also one of the few groups herbalist that get. Insurance Coverage. Okay. Long as they and you know those those type of liability guidelines and a lot of MD's I'm andy who are herbalist were really hesitant to work with the plan for the various thing reason. And other result there wasn't the Depth of knowledge of that when I was looking for people to work with. I wanted to work with people who knew what they were doing and there just weren't that many that I could find. And when I talk to companies and off with them. You know I didn't know rape yellow death about it I really. Oh, Jason Williams at debt coca. which by the way that can addition came out today? It did it did. Yeah. How spoke on that? And kids book, about Wiltshire while I'm at that the guys busier than anyone. Since the BE. Right both he you know I br I. Learned Most of what I've known from him and from professionals like installment. Actually work with such as Cedar. Miller but. That's Keeping the head of drama me to his company. I had comment and I've always worked with herbal medicine from the perspective of. Serious. And being part of the picture for us and understanding the no, no one plant is magic and they all have properties and strengths and weaknesses you have to say for and how do you work with this plan as part of your herbal toolkit? Round. Looking, at everything with just a hammer and. The nail that winning that appropriate to use this? When might not be what are the things you've got to be concerned with and ever since then it's just turned out to be the most fascinating work I've been doing you earn twenty years. Yes. So now green earth medicinal now they you work with like you said, all different kinds of. Of plants or or whatnot. CBD is part of that. Do you find like? Yeah do you find that Using different plans together works or do you actually guys just recommend sticking to a certain strict program of? Medicines. we find that all plants tend to work better in partnership with others if you can that allows you to improve their delivery and allows you to focus where you're wanting to work in the body and some faces the way that we often use it is going to be moving the efficacy of the formulas. So. Nothing we do is just a straight up sure cannabis products. You know our even our oil is a formulation using NC oil and using full spectrum forms of essential oils, flavorings that have compounds than than that are complementary. So things like chirping are found off plants. That's what gives. Flavor and smell, but they're also a good source for complementary affects you're trying to get. So without giving too much of what we're doing Our formulation to come into play using the complementary compound to. Cedar talks about a lot about network physiology, which is the idea that you've got. This point you're trying to hit and if I go after it was just my fingertip. That's one point of contact. Whereas if I go with five fingertips or my whole hand, I've got more capacity to. Impact, and in the same way if you are hitting that receptor with. Cannabis plant, and then you're adding to other plants that healthy to get back. The better benefits that way? So That's one aspect of how we would look at it with the oil. We would also look at using the pasta fetal coin bigger naturally. GonNa find and. Sunflower less than not just making it more stable product, but provide a little more support for the nervous system. Now I've seen go ahead. Now, and and that's like are more simple adequate the oil. That's the closest thing we've got so simple when you get into something like are. Would that is really complex. We're finding every every way we can to screw with the efficiency of pain transmission. So we know that the CBD and help the lodge, help the body to modulate its its immune response neurological response anguish with. Its perception of. The internal and external environment. But. That's not the only way that we can help people. Feel better. and. In many ways, we want to get more immediate effect to wheeling Change, how they feel. So we'll take one approach people who've injured themselves because that's one set of receptors. On the Illinois to hear phoebe one receptors, and you can use things like high end specifically target that, and then Chinese medicine survived a great formula that we built upon on white flour oil that you can find outfit. And that's a three thousand year old of us all about dealing with you an immediate sense when you have been hit when you have had a sprained, we have a string and it's got three thousand years of see behind it, and then we took baton added other such as Dogwood, which reciprocally target Turpin Tom in interfering with the efficiency of pain transmission, and then you had the Cayenne, which is a terrific receptors, and now you've got a really complex way of calming down fat. Boy Screaming using this her. Trying to get. The inside boy. Or the case of the cream were taking an approach to thing. Okay. There may be a lot more complexity drawing on the situation. And one thing that might be worthwhile to having this discussion discussion that I can't have straight conversations have expensive right? Why the end? That's not unique to Canada's the problem. But for that product, we the cream is something that we're really trying to find multiple ways. Interfering with within transmission situations where we might not know what's going on and why they're feeling bad but we're trying to find every way we can give. Churn though we use multiple herbal churches. So things like corey dolls from Chinese this. Thing. has a very specific and effective approach. You also have things like Jamaican Dogwood I mentioned before find another track easily help both people familiar with burns like swelling of affirmative whispers like hot. And when you put them all together enough with their willie effective way of getting these. And You know we don't really know honorable medicine is the herbs are doing exactly want them to do or is it like James Duke said where the herbs are just a pharmacy? And our bodies says, well, I want this compound from this this. This and this. Mess I'm GonNa make this. Right how much of it body determination? How much of that is? Making. The choice. We don't really know that's where it all gets really fascinating that with medicine who ever really. In fact, if you think you do you're probably wrong. Sure, sure. Now. We talked about this before too. But you know the CBD world is kind of its volatile really I mean there's a lot of misinformation. There's a lot of not a lot of knowledge in terms of you know just legitimate FDA studies stuff like that But. I've noticed that of all the the the companies that have seed products you guys are actually I mean legitimate I did we did get your sample. And Well. So my wife's been using it for the last few days She's using the spray and the cream. 'cause she's got. She's got some serious back stuff going on right now and honest review it's been working great She does have to apply it often though. That could be the level of the pain maybe. But but it does work. It's just something that she has to take time out to do several times, which is understandable I mean. She works all day standing. So you know I'm sure. No, it's not but but it's been helping now I've been taking the drops the tincture you sent. And it's been working great normally I have Times I have anxiety and I don't It's it's actually starting to come a little bit level itself on that part. I will say that we did talk about this. We talked about how that you guys are formulating it to where it doesn't cause lethargy or? You know you don't get burnt out by the end of the day after taking it over and over and and I did notice that I have noticed no effects in that in that manner. So yeah, it's one of the concerns that we were. Starting with which was that our brand came out of the need of practitioners who ended up. Being heavily involved in our formulation out there were there was a physician who's been running clinics in Oregon for the past. Two Thousand Eight on Dr Christian lay had noticed in his deatrich patients. But also other patients who are sticking elevated levels of CD that sedation was a really constant Pablo and it was kind of a good news. Bad News situation. Goodness is there it's working patent is your daughter is all Right, or in bad feeling better but now I can't drive. Yeah. because. They're using on the order of you know not uncommonly three, hundred, four, hundred, five, hundred milligrams a day of CD. At that most of what was on the market will be really sedative and a lot of the market. Is Serving people who WANNA it. There are plenty of folks who just want to relax and for those who want to do that there's plenty of options and. You know from taking our product. They certainly aren't going to be stimulant and no don't. You do feel a more relaxed state, but they're not sedative at higher levels and that's really something that we were very concerned with is that you could take this and still function. As what would be levels above and beyond what you've been listening the consumer my typically. And that was the primary in certain. Another one was flavor because they won't get pediatric ion if it doesn't taste. Right. Stick with it. And what we have found and what the practitioners have observed is that CBD works best on an ongoing basis. The oil can have about a six hour half life and then it depletes in eighteen, thirty, six hours depending on what's going on the view. And there's not a standard milligrams per pound ratio that you WanNa work with you discourage people from thinking beginning at work that way because all of the experience shows different that you really need to hit engineer body see how you're filling workout. What is best for you so What we have found is that people will take it every meal and bedtime and consistent into that. They can find their own novel by increasing every day typically within a week or two, and what to be their own level is going to be their personal level. Whether that'd be emotional comfort whether that be visible comfort it all comes down to helping your body properly. Deal with our world. And we don't fully know what all is going on with how CBD interact with the UCS. the UCS wasn't discovered until the ninety s we really didn't -nificant research on cell signaling systems until the nineties, and this ends the cell signaling system, of UCS which by the way is interacting with Serotonin enough they. with Drina function auctioning with all sorts of different cell cycle system. there's a lot observed that suggests there's more going on thought but at the end at the root of it seems like this is coming down to properly perceiving what's happening in the environment around us and in helping US properly we understand. So. The use of oil ongoing basis things to be really really effective to help straighten out back out. Having. said that. Six hours half life is great but your absorption to fold tissue. That's going to happen around two to three hours. So, if you're looking for immediate results, foil could be problematic. So for that reason, we also developed the buckle spray. And you'd mentioned the spray that your wife was using I think that's our topical. I believe. So yeah, she used that spray on I. She's been having some serious serious back pain. This is not just like you know my backwards thing So I did I use the spray and then we use the cream I do I before you go on I, do want to say that that cream. Had A lot of. Honestly a lot of CBD products. Some of the homemade stuff is actually better but I did notice that. There was a good consistency between like I. Have a I have a couple of farms that make CBD stuff for us and I did notice that your your product was. Clean it was I like the ingredients when I read the ingredients list. And also smelled good and it didn't go on like some things go on really oily and it takes about an hour you know to to soak in. So but yours didn't, and like I said, she was able to go to sleep within like forty five minutes. She took it at night or she takes it all the time. But I mean when we first started it, she took it at night. And she was able to fall asleep within like forty five minutes So I just WANNA point out for the listeners that there is some good quality stuff there and it actually. Yeah it actually absorbs. Like. A cream would or anything I mean there's you can tell it the thoughts been there so. Also wanted mentioned I think you're tinctures are very good too because like when I use mine I, just put them in my tea and my coffee have you tried to buckle. This spray. The buckled spray. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't I haven't. So that's a real different one in the marketplace. Buckle in the cheek. You know one of the things that working with scientists as they me teach new terms to our customers including ones they don't now and most of our retailers were not familiar with buckle and the pharmacist start immediately oh, cheeks break, and there's the reason for that is just live glands are right there at your gum line. And right into the cheap concentrated newest land. And the prickly ash and there will make you a little bit. And the reason we're doing that is that makes the back door entrance into your bloodstream hijacking a lot of grand plans until a delivery system for the CDC, and what that does is it gives you about fifteen minutes liberty instead of just three hours. So, one is needing immediate results. They, can go to that and find great results. My father in law is very conservative and it's been really hesitant about this plant has been having some major neck issues and he's getting up in the night and we got him to try something else truck. And he's you know finding that he can take it and go back to sleep with comfort with that. Now, that's are more one of the reasons you don't see that very often is there's a natural critically. To using alcohol forms of cannabis editor of US trying to alcohol tinctures. But they tend to taste really got awful. Yes and that by in the back of your throat is to be about ten times worse and pretty much all the other words that are in there. Are Basically numbing your mouth. So, you don't feel that burn I see though when we buy and then you suddenly feel like you've been to. I've noticed that. Yeah. For a minute, your mouth is not. And that's purely intentional. That's basically the way we get around the problem working with the alcohol and getting it to work right so that you can get people to do again there's all sorts of herbs that were well, but tastes so got off. And then catch the alcohol delivery. It was like we really want to have this, but we gotta overcome this problem which is. Why people don't want to do it twice. I get it and also too I think there's a section of population that doesn't want to have alcohol based products whether that's because they they need to stay away from alcohol or they need to. You know they don't want to be a part of their or something but it is good to see that there's other options. So I WANNA make it clear to the and you mentioned this but you're working with Jason Wilson and he's been part of your basically quality. Yeah he helped to set up our quality standards. Okay and Also if had a chance to check our education modules, but we contracted with him to to do those partly just to make sure that everything me provided was as accurate as we could possibly do. we are finding ourselves in the position of correcting a lot of misinformation that's out there by various individuals and really find to help practitioners understand what they're working with and give them a good sense of what to expect and what the underlying scientists. So he has helped us on setting were in pursuit of international pharmaceutical ISO's standards or. I think it's is so nine, thousand, seven, thousand, maybe twenty to get the last one but they're. Kind of ridiculous for most people in this space. But for us, this is absolutely what we want to go for so that we can have the highest standard. To measure against or people who are looking for alternatives. they don't feel like they're taking a step down if they choose a natural approach as opposed to pharmaceutical. We have to be careful that we don't sell our products as drugs, but we want people to feel comfortable that they're getting equivalent quality out of what what they're getting from us as they might get from simple come in the only way to ensure that it's following the same quality standard Jason has been instrumental in guiding law process. Ensuring that. We can move that. Absolutely in the thing, is that the reason I want to point that out because Jason Wilson's been on several times on our podcast people of heard You know his background people know you know what he does in. So I was just hoping to to make sure people understood that you guys is focused on quality has been One of your top priorities I when we were talking before the interview obviously we talked about a few things that are kind of sketchy on the market when it comes to herbal supplements and so having you know what do they call that complete Thank you thank you. Yes. Complete transparency and also be marketing properly. You know don't don't over market it and I have seen that with you guys and I think that a lot of that probably goes back to the fact that you picked. One of the best guys for quality probably could at least that I know. We. Definitely would j well but part of my role is having worked with planet than for a long time and especially marketing aspect. making sure that everything we're doing is kosher according to the laws and the limitations of. Both the industry under the dumb. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act. And we're just the. Common problems of herbal medicines and herb fraud. You know a couple of examples of that for example, After think so milk, that's the plant that we don't sell. So I can talk about that. Okay. I am not allowed to describe our products in any way. That will claim to treat cure mitigate disease or disease state and a man or animal. It doesn't matter if it's true. It doesn't matter if I've all the plans to support it. The moment I make that claim on selling address, right? That currently, all your herbal medicine is sold as. An oversimplification oversimplified model. You have food versus drug who is assumed to be safe until proven otherwise. I don't have to do testing on garlic too. So you garlic because we have been consuming it for thousands of years we've known dying from it. We know that it's safe. It's generally recognized as safe. Whereas if I introduced something new to population. I've got to do all this testing especially if it's something our chemical come up with such as pharmaceutical synthetic to prove that's not poison. But in return in terms of how larceny works the minute I. What they consider a drug claim, I suddenly have to be helpful. So expanded. And we have to be really really careful that we stay on the right side of that, and that's not the case with candidates. With every plant right Oregon I, understand milk this those actually an invasive for you guys. It's Got A lot of it. nope. Fissile soprano. So I can tell you is the single thing you can do to heal a disease liver. If you I'm going butcher, the name, an m, the Mo, the poisonous mushroom, the desktop. The death. Angel. Anna Anna Nada M an yeah it's I you know I say it wrong every time I say AMANITA. Will Digest your liver and twenty four out Wow. Twenty four to forty, eight hours. In hospitals and Seattle Portland, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, they have a five hundred to one. nope. This little extra. That will we'd blow. One third of the new liver twenty, four hours. You will produce. Of Oregon and twenty not oregon or in the deliver organ new. New One and twenty four hours. But if I, you milk thistle, I cannot tell you it will heal your liver or accelerate the production of new liver cell. Wow. The most I can say is it may be helpful for liver health. And that's the degree of absurdity that we have to deal with with the regulations regarding. The other thing that we have to deal and herb from is the second oldest. Business in the world. And there are documented examples of herb frog during back and Chinese. Medicine three thousand years. You can look at the old Indians and the old Materia Medica and find examples of how stragglers. what you want to look for the yellow color look for that nice ever. And you have to be careful that it wasn't washed in honey water if people are looking for really big. And the big group is the old group full of medicine. So three thousand-year-old herb frog with straggle that's route, which you'll see in health food stores all the time. We'll be these. Uniform yellow pounded out hung oppressors that have been so in honey water. And you know that they're frauds Ulan because they don't look like an angel. Hey just solid yellow. Mashed Dow. And the taste is not the case that post to have. It's like a sweet sweet sweet pea not three black honey tastes like honey you're dealing with fraud and the problem is strangled size a water soluble. They've washed all the medicine off and the broad process and at any given time half straggling awfully in the bulk food section fours will be fraud straggler. And that Should be. And when you're looking at sourcing rooms and you're looking at everything like that, you have to assume someone's to try to with you. You have to assume that someone's time to commit fog down you better tax or you're going to get that. And allow the people who are working in this space don't seem to have an appreciation for. How much and that's really going on or they may think it's only happening in the candidates, but there's nothing new about. And we try to make sure that we are one of the good guys out there. Consistently providing effective medicine from the first out the last drop within a bottle. From one batch to the next so that the person who's using this to support their health can get what they're expecting everything I and working with plants at the really hard thing to do you have to do a lot of work to get consistency because nature doesn't give that to you know especially this plan that diversifies every time that goes to generation. So. It's from a from our herb nerd perspective. It's fascinating stuff though the way that. All the usual challenges are here, but then a whole much new ones are presented with something that has. You know. I read twenty, six, thousand different cultivars Jason says that may be an undercover. Found Yeah Yeah who knows I do know this I do know that what you just touched on is a very important aspect because. I have seen some pretty crazy marketing schemes put on CBD. Which makes it rough for people that are trying to have some integrity because like you said it, it goes across the board it that of same problem happens with other herbs and other plans, and so the unfortunate part is as a consumer, you have to do some extra research or you have to. Listen to a podcast or you know get it from the source of exactly what's going on because a lot of times whatever printed on the bottle just Is Not. True. Half the time. yeah. Is a them nation showing that most of the products that were tested did not meet label. Right will also to. Her and and many of them were over that mostly they're all over that. Exactly. No consistency which means that your dosage you can't even rely on and not only that but also. The fact that CBD coming on so hard and then having it to where it's like half the market is lies and misinformation has made it to where. You. Know it's I think some people get hesitant. With CD. You know the problem with from practitioners right now is that I was talking to Dr. Wong. At Madeira Day down in Ami. And she had said, one of her challenges is that. She'll recommend CBD for one of her patients like Mia I tried that it didn't work. And just like well, tribe is one. And invariably the the person's going to get results using hot There's a whole lot of people because they've tried poor-quality cvt have the false impression that this really. Official plant is worth. And what's happening is there's just a flood of crap on the market right now especially, and unfortunately due to the FARMVILLE making it legal who wants to grow everybody has jumped into it and you know what you know it's not the easiest thing to get, right? Yes. It's a weed in it will grow everywhere, but you wanna think of like wine in that. It has certain train that likes to do veteran with certain cultivars and most of we know. What we've been growing in the Pacific northwest and Colorado for the most. And you know those those varieties they don't like they don't like mold they don't like bill do they don't like fungus high humidity is a problem where you go and you try to grow that down in the south where we have by the yard. You've got some real challenges. So you're seeing a flood of really poor quality. DVD comes to the market. So it's not only driving down the price, but there's just a lot of court vile. and. I'm businesses business. You're going to figure out a way they've got word. So people right now are putting everything in the isolate you can make isolate out of. Those RPI flooded with really cheap isolated, which there's not a you know we're GonNa talk about the science. There's not a single scientific study. Showing is a what works in were near as well as full spectrum, which for the botanical medicine community we are in the right we've only. There's it's not one thing what. Areso condo entourage effect is. Full Spectrum Plant Medicine which we have always known works. And if there's a big difference in our products versus the other that will really obsessive about these minor compounds that we pull out expansion. Most of our competitors may take a few hours to extract. Twenty hours. But the difference is. All. These tiny minute compounds that we don't know what they do. But we knew it works better right long. We don't know how. Yeah we and you don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater right and that's where we actually are taking a very traditional approach, which is that we don't presume to know. What the good art are everyone's focused on the CD, but there's other cannabinoid that our president and they met. And it's. Much, more complicated than than a of the industry. What we appreciate I was talking to the Matt, the President One of the big early and company out there. And I was talking with him about the difficulties last test. The you guys in terms of difficulty of getting consistent results. You know what? What do you mean? I'm like. Well, we do ours on internal testing we could send it to three different lines. We get three different report. Like well, well, I can maybe you're testing is off. The CD's fine all the minor counties. TURF. Yeah Yeah they're all Mike. Well, they don't matter. Then worry about that. I'm like really it's like Oh. Yeah. None of that support you just gotTa have to. Like. Really. No I'm not going to correct on business or give them A. Vantage but I was amazed this guy running very successful company absolutely believe that none of that stuff really not all that matters. Once he had that were far. And? It's it's that people. were. Consumers and people who need it to Matt, who need it to work. Are. Buying brand that. Have that while a thoughtful of care about what's going into their product? Well and I think. I just just to elaborate on that too coming from just a lot of experience with THC. I have noticed like when when Oregon rent went legal in two thousand fifteen. There was a big race to make. Isolated thc or the strongest form of THC. Big Race and they've done it you know you can get diamonds that are ninety, four, ninety, three, percent whatever or better. But I think the. Market, at least on the teas teach seaside has realized that dot is not really a good high It's flat. It doesn't last long and it doesn't have any the same effects as if you had. A full spectrum flower or even a broader spectrum of concentrate. and people are noticing that and I think that hopefully that will carry over to cbd it's no different. Than working, with Saint, John's wart or working with ECHINACEA. Any of these other plants that you know there are lessons, you know I'm a lot of lessons being we learned in this industry that we learned thirty forty years ago and the panicle. Edison. Back when Saint John's work came here, jeopardy became focused on point three percent. and. If he know about that plant Nunavik top Rita six inches. Right at the peak of summer when it is nearly throwing off all these compounds and those new flowers. But you had people who were harvesting just the whole plant and they were extracting just with a high piercing and even just using whole plant using a crappy plant but adding just. Pearson back in. And and it worked out the reason why Pearson was chosen for the standard was that it was easy to measure. And if you had three percent pure person, you probably had point four percent I perform. And that works out it's hard to measure. It was hard to measure that one but that's what was really maybe doing more the work. So you had a lot of standardized point, three percent Saint John's work these cutting corners that they weren't. Whereas you had Oregon company Herb Farm. Doing, additional way only taking the top three inches. Takes it the right time of the year grown in a clean environment that they didn't really originally even test the Pherson but they got consistently better results when they did get around to testing, it turns out now it's the right out of the point three percents formed where it needed to be and all these other compounds that. What they do, but they mattered produce better plant medicine and that whole you're seeing the result of people working with it who haven't approached it from this perspective and we're having to relearn all of those. Goes Hand in hand with the fact that a lot of the chemistry that's going on with cannabis now has been out there for. A long time but it seems like now just seems like you have people claiming that they came up with a new product or people claiming that came up with a new process and it's like, no, this is chemistry that's been around for. For one hundred years maybe and and you're just now applying it to cannabis. Well, you know people sometimes we'll ask things like well, what's going to be better alcohol extraction or co two extraction or you know whatever new things someone decides to come up with and? To my experience. What I really want to know is who's doing it what are their goals? Because, you can make a really great alcohol extract. WITHIN INCREDIBLE Full spectrum, and if you're leaving really careful and we're refining process, we can routine lor those minor compounds unfortunately, most company will eliminate most of them when they refined it. When they get out the waxes and they got the fourfold they're going to go a lot of good stuff that goes with it. But the same time you can get the race car extraction for Theo to that we can an extra hour an APP. And you know you push it through five thousand you know. THOUSAND PSI. You can get an extract and you can get CDI fla, but it's going to be true crap. and. That's just you know it doesn't matter just this is the answer all the time but rather what are the goals of the people who are doing it? Why are they doing it that way? What are they hoping to accomplish and that's the sort of questions that. I think will start to show up a little bit more in the savvy retailers and additions when their value any companies and I think eventually, it's going to get down to the consumer level hopefully through the efforts of things like on cast where people can find out. More about the signs of that, it's not just a you know bizzare I think H Lincoln set for every problem, there's a solution that is simple easy and. What do you think about? I mean, are you guys going to expand more into other things as time goes on? We are looking at different formulation to serve specific needs than initial things that we're GonNa do we have avoided? Parts of the Barbara. Were probably going to stay away from food entirely. and that's strictly because. Most of what's out there and food is working with isolate and I salute is there's there's a few things that. We can have a healthy disagreement with the SBA. Right. Now, they don't want to accept. Candidates in any form is generally accepted as safe because it wasn't available in nineteen, ninety, four at legal. And we have substantial argument on that that well, it wasn't federally legal. Nineteen, ninety-four, four. But millions of consumers in California Oregon and Washington have been consuming it and we know that the Toronto going on. Nobody dead yet. So we know this is not a leaf full risk and we know that LBJ fifty or the lethal dose on this is perfectly safe. not worried about those challenges and it's a bit of the catch twenty two but with elect a solid ground with that. Now food additives are different issue entirely, and while on allowed to sell you an herbal extract, a food additive must be approved by the FDA and they have been clear that CB isolated is not an approved. Additives and in fact, they don't approve herbal medicine has food. years ago I wanted to come out with a line of functional serious I wanted to functional root beer that was going to be. A good digest ginger. Ale that was going to be good digestion. I wanted to have good functional root beer that really was going to be easy. Tonic Medicine I wanted to have a coca. Cola. That was. Mimic Mimicking Soda that was GonNa Affect your mood the way that. The original recipe probably was built around from what about the Senate. And I went to one of the best contract manufacturers in the country and said, okay, here's what I WANNA do like I can't touch that within football. What he means, this is all how he uses because no, you can't sell. Those are Food Gotcha and what I'm like no no I just WanNa have I wanNA. have to concentrate and they had their own soda water to like no, that's a syrup is a food category I am prohibited from producing that for you. And for that reason, we're probably going to stay away from all the food stuff unless something changes which the good news that. This industry has a lot of money behind. and. Washington. and. If the right people wind the right pocket that could all change and if we have the option of legally working with it would be. But one unlikely we're not gonNA be doing anything the food market something because we don't doing everything we can to stay out of trouble. Because we want to that trusted brand. Yes for the. Or the physicians or them to recommend to their patients, and these are people who have a lot more booze. So wall absolutely and just because you've mentioned like the root beer and stuff do you find that different delivery methods so like? You know when I do an edible teach C- I find that it's actually better if I have a sugar based. Delivery like you said, Syrup like. not tincture, but actually a base syrup and So, and I've also noticed that on the. THC made out of. Oil. Seems to be completely different from the sugar base like the sugar sugar-based will hit me quicker. It acts faster it seems cleaner. It doesn't last for twelve hours and when I come down, it's an it's an easy. You know it's not a big deal when I take oil-based might last I've taken too much some time and it's lasted twenty four hours where I am just on the bed laid out. Completely destroyed for twelve hours and I don't seem to get. My question is basically is, do you find that different delivery methods are more effective or and if they are do you I mean. Do you incorporate that or? Yeah we. We purposely all different formulas using the different delivery methods for oral formula. So the oil is considered the workhorse for everyday use. You WANNA do that every meal and bedtime because you have predictable six hour half life. So if I give that to you at every meal Ben Time, we know that there's carryover going on route day and the oil it can take eighteen to thirty six hours for that breakdown were deplete ending on really your metabolic states. If you're dealing with a a whole lot of information, your burn rate might be a lot faster. But. If we give you the oil consistently, we know that it's going to help carry you through the evening. So a little bit from the morning's going to be there more from lunch is GonNa be there more from dinner, and then that bedtime serving is GonNa help carryover morning and what seems to be happening when the CB is present. We are up regulating the production of a non to mind, and it seems that ACS receptors on more sensitive to the end up. You're producing. So for that purpose up regulating the function of the can have annoyed system and giving your body straighten out it's In, perceiving threat whether that be from pain transmission from injury or be that emotional that people may be dealing with with something say with anxiety of the speaking It's still a perceived rent situation and the responses and crews having the DVD in the system. So the oil is perfect for that use. But. If I'm trying to give you results immediately oils not real. Helpful. And they taste good and you may have placebo effect thirty to forty percent. When someone tells you feeling better I don't don't ruin it for them. Like oh I told much better after you. Know all in your head you know I don't be no. But we came up with the buckle spray. Because alcohol is going to be a faster delivery and whereas oil takes longer to break down in your body it's GonNa go through the process and I pass through the liver. You know sugar alcohol run into your bloodstream, and and the way we use that using the prickly ash to open up the saliva ducting not back door. is a great fast liber. The problem is it burns out four to six hours. So. If you have a situation where you need more mediate results the alcohol Berry Berry good for that but not appropriate for the ongoing support of the. Yeah. So it's not necessarily one and better for the other in all circumstances. But rather what is the application we're going to use it for and what is it? That were? What are the results from? So, if you need more immediate benefits, something like a buckle spray and alcohol delivery will get you fast results faster birds. If, you're trying to support ongoing function of the. Are Practitioners would use the oil four times a day every now and time system. And for someone who's never done this before we suggest starting small. Because what can be effective for one person what can be effective for the next person and be wildly different? So we might start at five or ten milligrams, four times a day, and then the next day at dinner bedtime on the ten. The next day, carry that ten milligrams over and then pumping up to fifteen and increase it say five or ten milligrams a day until they get their level of comfort. If it's somebody who has just situational circumstances, they may need less. With somebody who's newly got some deep work they need to do that person may need a lot more but most people are gonNA find what they're looking for within. Within a couple of so wanNA talk about the the only one of the last questions I had was, what would be your advice to consumers coming onto the market? That are Leery of CBD. Products. What, what's your advice to them and you know coming onto the market and actually trying it out? Herbal medicine find out WHO's behind it. Why are they making it? Who is doing with making the decision? On whether their quality standards what is there You want to look for transparency and what you're buying on. You should be able to take your product and find out what the you know. There's a lot of fraud going on the industry. There's a lot of. Or quality products that are out there. So you WanNa look at some for something called a certificate of analysis. Referred to the day. And you should be able to go to a company and with Mrs Pretty Standard for a lot of the companies now because most of the retailers of. have their wherewithal and notice. won't do business without it there that if you have somebody can can't give traceability. Maybe find another retailer on another company from. From the websites, you should be able to go back and look at your bottle and find out what's in it. Find Out. Was it tested for pesticides herbicides those are really really common and frankly for a lot of health concerns that people are dealing with s decides nervous science make things worse. WANNA look for the presence of heavy metal you WANNA look for the presence of. The other Tanabe annoys beyond CBD CBS should not be the only cabinet president. You should see a trace amounts of the other ones. Look for things such as Turpin and these are compound bad. Did the flavor and smell the plant but very much the differences that you're getting when you try different varieties. So if you For you know you guys know this backwards and forwards. But for a lot of the country, they've never been people never been into a dispensary. And I'll. Like, look if you go into. Madman and Los Angeles, they're going to have maybe a hundred choices may be. But it's not just the one that guy has that you know and then. The black market is what your choices are. they're gonNA they're gonNA have an intake for you. What are you looking for from your experience? Are you looking to relax? Are you looking to be energized your house? Are you looking to my favorite term I learned with couch? which I thought was hilarious. You're looking. You're looking for couch lock Are you looking for something to sweep? Are you an based on all your on your answers? They're gonNA. Take you down to. a a series of choices that. You would have been picked from or for the desired outcome. And most of those differentiations are not in the THC level. But rather it's these other compounds that are present in different among the different varieties that you're looking for, and you WANNA look for CD products that have a lot of different turpin going on or at least that you can measure the presence of those Turkey and things like Lima name these things pining Mir seeing Rafeh lean, which the doesn't produce for our benefits they have they have their own purposes for it, but they really changed how we react to it, and that's where a lot of differences from company to company are GonNa Kinda fall between. another thing is if they're using herbs. WHO's making the decision of Earth. How did they come about that? it's significant that we use the traditional. Chinese medicine doctor who has also done a lot of oncology work for more than a decade with cannabis because. It's important that you know how to plant work together. And do you have a sense of how that works and Chinese medicine is useful Chinese medicine has documented used of this plant going back about three thousand years. Now, they weren't differentiating between heaven and marijuana, but they were observing a lot of what we understand today. If you understand how the constructive change medicine work Chinese medicine is built on this idea of five element theory and how the different. Elemental. Parts of an ORT Oregon groups of our body were together and without getting too loss in the metaphysics, it's best to understand they created a construct that gave them a great deal of predictability to understand what results would happen with people when they gave the medicine. And there are a lot of observations that they found in how this plant wirt but also a sense of other plants might work well with it to improve its performance. So. One of the things that when. I talked to these guys originally, they're like oh and reforming with herbs and like great who doing it. And then when I found out who it was like, oh now I gotta try your product. Because now I'm really intrigued now I'm interested because I spent so much time trying to find. Plant Nerd I wanted people can knew this is herbal medicine who respected the Israel medicine and that's why the happy. Bud a lot of the companies that are out. There are just kind of looking at one of the most popular plants on the market right now. So we'll formulate bat. With cannabis and see what we get. And you know people are really looking for this so we'll do that. Whereas you WanNa, have a better sense of the herbal medicine isn't isn't a best seller list or it should be. Yeah the. Sort of things you look for quality with transparency as to that quality you look for adulterants, you WanNa, look for the president of other avenue and the different turbines and minor compounds, and once you get into that area, you're getting into much shorter list of a group that watching. and. Then also talk to your retailer in south find out what works. What they're what their feedback has been from their customers. It might define the discussion of wine. In, the comparison of where income from regional read. By. Appalachian and all that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay and I think that we're we're we're probably one of the hotspots. Maybe in the world is that too? That too bragging like, do you think that one of our tear was here in? Southern Oregon is is the best. Oh well, it depends what you're trying to grow. Well I mean, okay. Right I was referring I was. Cannabis. He's probably not going to buy your peaches. Oranges either. I'm from Georgia where we produce things. It's like sugar bowl. And it's all about the environment. But when it comes to wine you have amazing to our for Pinot Noir Great. But The Musket angry that grows down in. Georgia at the native species won't do real. It's not going to be real. Happy if there is that mean, the Oregon is not a good environment for wind gusts. No not at all produce some of the best in warn world. And what we know is the environment how those hot days hot days really cool nights and low humidity produced the finest Pinot Noir in the world and it's not a coincidence that. Oregon, northern, California Washington, and new. Zealand which all grow fantastic in Newark. are also great places to grow candidates. They, both liked the same sort of thing which tells me that the Bordeaux region of France needs to start growing candidate They've got that same environment going on and makes the peanut laundry pappy and that's one of the more interesting thing want WanNa, find out about our plan is what does well on these other environment. So at University of Georgia right now and I, I know a lot about Georgia, because that's that's where I actually live where an organ based but it's good to have a sales director who out Lanta because as the saying goes if you go to heaven or hell, they're probably going to connect you to Atlanta. And There's a research project going on at University of Georgia right now where they're growing all sorts of different cultivars in fact, it's it started out somebody HD project and it ended up being. Much. Larger than that or they're just experimenting with what life's Dot Environment. And to our matters a lot because the turpin are an environmental risks. And if you've grown, you may notice different parts of your field may respond differently or you might get slight differentiation, and if you take that same cultivar and you put it up on a ridge person being in a valley, it's to have different UV light exposure. It's Kinda different wind exposure, which is gonNA change the Turpin profile of the plant. Now, we know this from grace, there's The Parole Oh great from from or in the below grade from. Italy where they produce the the barreau wine is all grown in one valley. The side that gets the morning sun. Is Worth half as much on the market and decide that gets the afternoon saw. Because the afternoon sun makes those grapes produce a lot more a particular chirping that affect the flavor. That also protect against you were the client protect against you life, but make a much better flavor and and it produces a lot of sugar as adults. In the same way you have the cannabis plant reacting differently in different environment I remember there was a thing in California where they went to sixty different dispensaries and got sixty different. Supposedly. Source Farm of I. Think it was like Oh cush or something like that, and they ran the numbers and everything and they were all different. And that was held up at the time in a as an example of the degree of broad in the cannabis industry. And as an herb nerd I looked at that said, no, that's what the plants do. That's the same sort of thing. We see with grapes at the same sort of thing we think with apple that's what plants do and where you get your plants from is GonNa really change how you're. All offensive appreciation for that and the consumer space I don't think the. I think. We kind of get a sense of that with wine. I can play a Pinot noir grape in Atlanta, but it's gonNA taste like must. Because what gives it the flavor isn't environmental research on and it's going to adjust itself to its environment. So I think that's one of the more fascinating of the industry that did not really talked about very much. Very, much comes into play on how those different medicines worked for it, and it's one of the bigger challenges as we move out of the traditional Pacific northwest environment which by. Everything we know. From the plants we've been working with the best environment to grow those plants. So to answer your question is this the ideal environment worldwide? Well, yes. From what we know about those cultivar because what you guys are growing out there. In. What works out there Dry, we built know in a work in the burn firemen's and it may be. There's something amazing that can grow in Maine. Florida. Gosh. That's an Florida going to be screwed if we sixty eight. Yeah. Because you cannot grow outdoors and Florida currently right I. I mean. I mean it can be done, but it's GonNa. Not going to be competitive on a national market, right with what of Jackson and Josephine. County Southern Orient Because I know you guys have had you know what? decriminalize nineteen, seventy-three right and a of their police around the same time. So that works for the growers have been able to do their things forever Florida and a black market for one. You don't have the same quality standards. You don't have the ability to really get into what you're doing at such a level that you can replicate year. After year, you can't have permanent facilities quite so much. So, you know right now in Florida on. Our our our our folks advised one of the groups down there who grows and help them build out their facility and it was like a three million dollar build out for this grow house. which was all about figuring out a way to get the shoot minniti in Florida. Humidity down exactly, Plant Boehner Bowl. So they're costume grow is over two hundred dollars a pound. In what's the current price in Oregon? Much, more no. Yeah it's maybe a tenth of that. So those Florida growers are just absolutely screwed if they have to compete on a national park I see and Regional things but there may be ones that grow in Florida and we just don't know about yet and it navy they can grow some recreational varieties maybe they make the grits the best. Hemp Rope you know we don't yet know, but it's an endlessly diverse class that has managed to They versu- fi itself to make us happy in a way. That is absolutely. which is interesting because it seems like a lot of plants and fungus and stuff. It seems like the most successful ones are the ones that met our needs as a as a human being. And and so I often wonder if that the plant. With whatever wisdom the plant has or whatever conscious as I often wonder. How much changing it's done over. A long time to to actually appeal to us would seem like it would be a very good strategic way of making sure survival of the species or whatever plant fungus whatever yeah Michael. Palin wrote a great book and Llamas Line called the botany of desire. That in all about flipping on head of WHO is working for who this relationship. I mean. If you look at the candidates plan in emerges about six thousand years ago, and the area around is Becka Santa Kazakhistan and it was traveled. All over by the world by. The plant didn't get up and walk it didn't flow at pollen. We took it with it because it made us happy the same way. I used grapes in the. Amway apples. An all over the place because they serve the need for us and we therefore served the of that flat and in this way that we may look at the honey being oh wow look at the the. Working for them like well. That's not the only plan to work and Doing exactly what it wanted for a very long time. Absolutely and I didn't get too far off the terroir part because you've made a really good point We just got done doing a interview with a non to farms. Now, a non to farms is one of the best well-known farms for high-quality Sun grown cannabis. and it's really hard to find really good. Even in Oregon it's really hard to find really good quality. Sun. Grown Cannabis that looks and tastes and feels like indoor without all the the fake environment and the reason he said he was so successful because he actually What he does is he takes time with a strain, not just cannabis in general he'll take strain and he'll spend time working with it. To the point where he knows exactly where to put it on in his. Lands me. And so he literally has his whole plan out landscape all the cannabis every row every plant is put in a specific spot. Northern southern you know back row front row row, number two, they're all in specific place. To to maximize whatever he's trying to get from the strains and it amazed me that it was so detailed and it worked. So well, the uniformity of the plants, the qualley everything was just top notch in he said all had back to putting the plant. Where it's supposed to be or where it likes it the best. They're the concept of having a conversation with the plant. Of listening to the plan is trying to tell you that not at all new. I used to. And I ran a farmer's market for six years just as a community of were thing that we were doing it by. and getting to know the farmers like you could always find somebody who is really really good at Lacrosse. And or tomatoes, and in Georgia, there's a lot of varieties that don't do. Well, there's some that's really well, and then you find people who everybody may be growing Mr Stripey and Cherokee purple. But you know Daniel was the man on the tomatoes. And Daniil really produced even with the same variety a better tomato. And what it was a even growing not variety for a really long time on that art. And it's not just knowing the plant is knowing the environment that you're growing within and what does it wants to do? What is happy doing on your land? And that's where experience really comes into play and if not. Totally makes sense to what you're saying We're big fans of shots defines as well. The tickets similar approach and that's it's not new cannabis. I. I had a grammar station. Farmer from Earth. One of the guys herb. Farm. And without giving much of their trade secrets. They actually changed how they grew. Lemon Balm Farm. Because they had this falling everything by the book for years having a great product but I think it was mark who? was. All about the plants and how they talk back to you kept saying you know I keep pulling up volunteers over here in this corner. Right and it. Says it should grow their these volunteers are happy they're healthy. Right why don't we just? Listened to the plant you would happen. So they took a totally different direction as far as what the book that put it in this somewhat different environment which you know this is all ernhert stuff, but they tripled their yield. And they had much healthier. And they produce much more complex medicine and a if you're familiar with when you talk to herbalist will tell you that one of the things arm does better and they get that better lemon ball. On there and the truth is they're not following the standard practices and. In, really, a lot of its observational when you look in plant like Kaba, you know a lot of people will tell you oh yeah you gotta get it from volcanic soil gotTa grow on the mountain but I was talking with former partner I'm like well, you know another that you You spent three weeks evaluating. Maka, but you spent three months as I were in Canada. and. He said, well, Makka was really easy everything fourteen thousand foot on a plateau is going to be the site. With sunlight conditions are going to change the wind not going to change. The mountain is a wholly different picture because sunrise is going to be different on the east side and it's going to be on this. Sunrise is going to matter on a mountain work differently, and then is it afternoon is morning. And is it What elevations on the mountain are you at? And it's a part shape. Well. Okay. What does that mean? What is under the shade of and when you really GonNa into complexity? Often, it's not only the sunlight exposure. What plants is it growing with its under the shade of something? And what does that plant that it's with due to its environment? So, there's things trying to think I think it was A. Fight Heck's. Now, if there's one play I'm trying to remember what they were growing. They literally had to go and plant poplar trees in grow poplar trees for ten years because the poplar trees changed, this oil is sufficiently grow the plant that they were looking grow. Oh. Wow. Wow and that's what they were solving for. Now they've been working out lame for forty five years. And at all these complex question all the whole time to get there. So that's where finding able who've been working with the plant for a long time observing the plant for a long time growing in their environment for long time really comes into play and that I think probably is as much of why organ. Do, better with it. Is that they've been able to do it for so much longer and have gained that perception based on their experience that we still have in the rest of the country yet. I often wonder too. If you know we've been talking a lot of above the ground stuff but I often wonder especially in Oregon because an organ if you don't grow. And let me let me say this organic is such generic Thinned out word like full spectrum bike it's just been diluted with. Wrong information. But but in organ, we're really organic meaning that You know we're all about no till or you know You know natural nutrients you know especially Fungal and bacterial in the soil. And so often wonder like, let me give you an example I'm talking to you this about this because being an herb nerd I love that saying by the way that I'm going to steal that from you earner. But We'll years ago as description. I'll steal it No. I. There's a farm called willoughby farms and we did an interview with them and they were talking about how? The first year they started 'cause they do a lot of CBD hemp products. So they they do grow. They'd do both THC and CBD. But they're one of the farms that did grow real good quality CD. or I should whatever ham it's all the same cannabis But what they said is that the first year they started because they started so quick and jumped in. So quick the used salt nutrients. And just random and they said, they got like on their ham they would get like three to four percent Turpin. The next year they switched over to a full living soil inoculation beneficial's fungus. organic nutrients and it it almost tripled the chirping content. Yeah. Happy Plant Produce. So one in the Michael. Matters a lot towards producing better medicine because you're you're the threats to the plant. Are Not just you know what's in the air, but definitely the soil you're pulling from, and if you care for that hill and it's a healthy soil, it's gonNA produce better medicine. No question about that actually. One of the challenges that I find that some of the hydroponic stuff is, how do you you know what supposed to go in there and what? What's your Mickan frank to a lot of the people who are using? Fuyu. Dini it's not recreational. No, it's he really madison serious. Health. Problems We can't use this in any public format. The part of the reason that I got this is my wife is a paediatric therapist. She teaches children with seizures. I, I've gone to funerals, the kids they're all the. Children with these disorders to the we all make the childhood. Seizure can do great damage every every your does brain damage and we your can kill you and need kids are having hundreds of years the day. Right the same it got me into CB was. There was something that could reduce an views it would be safe. And the various stuff and the entire market. There's a lot of unscrupulous people selling stuff to who really this ship or. Right right. Absolutely, worth of that. You know if it's crappy Kaba, they're going to have a headache. I mean I mean actually the college situation and and Germany shows that even that can be pretty bad. Absolutely, now because. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Is I think that's what's most hurtful about marketing and the fraud and stuff that we we've talked about is that it discounts the real medicine. And then people will become the punchline or you know becomes just some sort of just whatever my mother is eighty years old and there's nothing she gets more delight problem than in a crowded room saying, oh, honey don't forget to bring me some Canada. That is funny So I just want I have to ask this of all my interviews because we are a psycho after culture, we do cannabis based, but we do talk about a psychoactive. and we've you know had many many episodes on psychedelics or in two thousand fifteen or excuse me this year. got the. decriminalize nature God it on the ballot to legalize psychedelics plant based PSYCHEDELICS. And so we actually get a chance to vote on this year. Oh Yeah. So we actually in we may I think Oregon Colorado I know Oakland's already legal I know Denver Colorado is legal for a psych ranch yet decriminalized. Sorry. Sorry. When he's the right word but I think we're on the verge of that and what's your opinion on psychedelics natural psychedelics and? Do you think there's healing properties. Being. It's fascinating from people I've talked to among the practitioner community who the used. PSYCHEDELIC mushrooms also even things like Iowa. They have gotten fantastic breakthroughs for people dealing with really serious. Deep rooted issues particularly theose that are. You know things that. Everything else wasn't working. And I think that the potential is really fantastic for that and I think that when you look into. OUR BODIES CO evolved with plants right our bodies recognized re plant. And fungus out there. Before. Even if you've never been even never been introduced to it, our bodies know what these are when they come into A. Somewhere in the magic of the hot whether it's magic or whether it's by God's design or cheer happened fan wherever you're believing right. Our buyers are hardwired for this stuff and it works differently and better than anything we've ever been able to come up. So I think the the promise and the potential is massive for the use of Psychedelic mushrooms for dealing with disorders if people know who really know about these issues and it really worked with, it are some of the biggest advocates that. Ours. Just because see if they have seen in the the results that seen there's it's hard to have an educated perspective without coming with a lot of respect. And understanding of the promise even if you personally you know. You Know College, I tried I tried mushrooms I enjoyed the mushrooms did not enjoy the they're coming down off that but. Came up with an came with an appreciation of the whatever crappy mushrooms I was getting in the NFL. Nineteen. Ninety. That this was a very different experience to have Very different feeling very different outcomes very process of going through it that. Simply because you never know where you're getting stuff out of the black market and I grew up with a lot of criminals. I always been. Cautious about anything coming out of there in has kept a kind of not really donald much with that but understanding the promised that. I find I find it really going to be the next thing that we end up talking about and it may maybe. You know organ decriminalize cannabis in my seventy three, fifty years later were dealing with a national market. So you know we may be looking at we get. Know our grandchildren yearly get to get the full benefits of this. But. I'm very curious to see how that goes and I'm hopeful that there are some places where we can get a chance. To. Work, with medicine as medicine and environment where professionals really do it. And we're not just it's a a black market woolen part of that bill I think in is that there's safe access in safe usage. So there would be places that you could go to safely. Have Your psychedelic trip. If you wanted it also doesn't include safe access for just. I guess what you'd call rescues but. but basically, yeah, they would set up centers that you could go to actually have an experience with a staff member. That, monitor blood give you a safe experience for me that wouldn't be safe. You know I've done a lot of psychedelics the years, and for me I don't think being in a clinical setting that would probably make me go south maybe but but for a lot of people, especially New People to that scene. That's that kind of safe spot where you know you're fine and can be treated is going to be a good thing but. All right. Well so after all that good stuff I'm sure that people WANNA know how to get a hold you where they can get your products. Let's plug your website. It's were were you at? Greener with medicinal is found in practitioners and pharmacies and helped source across the country you go to green earth medicinal dot com. 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Vertigo

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Vertigo

"It's nineteen fifty eight in Jimmy Stewart is dizzy and way out of his league, the movie vertigo. Hello, everybody. And welcome to unspoiled. I'm nicholson. And this is the podcast where me and my wonderful. Fantastic. Co host go through the movies on the top one hundred list. And we have now reached fifty movies. This is our fiftieth movie. Oh my God. Paul will be here in just a moment. But before he is, let's talk about last week's movie to kill Mockingbird, a movie that we, both really really really, really really, really loved. And so, did you guys including Melanie manning, who tweeted to us hot take to killer monkey bird is the movie is better than the book? You know, she says, at least as far as that goes is very close to the book. But that is not bad when you have actors and filmmakers breathing life into these characters with excellent filmmaking. She says it to kill a Mockingbird is what an adaptation should be slack Babbitt, who is at law monster. Thirteen noted that, you know, when we started to raise the issue here in the episode about, like west Tom Robinson, actually murdered by the cops when they say that he ran away and they shot him. He reminded us that in. The book it was way way worse that they specify that as Tom Robinson was quote unquote running away from the cops. He was shot seventeen times in the back over the Facebook group. There were a ton of interesting conversations, one of the ones that really stuck out was a conversation. Kind of looking at the different angles of is advocates Finch, white savior, which is something that Harper Lee kind of rolled back a bit in her sort of follow a book about it go set a watchman I pulled this quote from Todd Lawrence, because I thought kind of summed up all the different angles of all the different debates Todd Lawrence wrote, I think the white savior complaint is a fine lengths to be aware of. But I don't think it Mars, this film at its core to kill Mockingbird is about learning to see we watch scouts understanding of advocates, and Bradley evolve. And then we watch advocates is faith in the law of all. So it's more than a little poetic, and beautiful at our understanding of tequila Mockingbird should also evolve, it was written by a white daughter of the deep south, who is struggling to see truth, despite her social conditioning, does the nobility of Harper. Lee is intentions maker. Just another white saver herself. Off should she attempted to write a book from Tom Robinson's? POV despite knowing nothing of it, and yet, these are a lot of the questions that I think are so fascinating to wrestle with and talk out and hash out, and maybe never come to a resolution but maybe it doesn't have a resolution another couple interesting things that people pointing out this week, Ian Stewart wrote that he thought my comment about how to kill him Mockingbird might have influenced, John carpenter's Halloween. He thought it was interesting because when he which titter of this era Madria. He thought a lot of the thing, which yeah. Totally and also, I loved this, this may be Di Mico Pierce who has at Mike, seventy nine P. He wrote, oh, I mean, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that the score into killer Mockingbird sounded like early Spielberg who was playing piano on Bernstein score. John williams. Oh my God. It now I'm like a complete trooper conspiracy, there is that blows my mind. Thank you so much for bringing that fun back to, to Oliver tensions. I wonder I wonder how will wear done Williams himself is of that, if he's like, oh, man, this reminds me of. I did a million times in his own DNA. That's fascinating. Okay. So to kick off our talk about this week's movie. The Alfred Hitchcock film vertigo are call it last week was we asked you guys to pitch a movie to us a movie that Hitchcock might have made about another disorder. Let's see what you thought of. His talk presents kidney stones who loves him to make a conspiracy thriller set in twenty nineteen called the Mandela effect. I would like to see a movie called narcolepsy that follows the unconscious Argentinian around the Moulin Rouge through an Argentinian lens Martic is dermatology. Mania which is the, the chronic picking skin. And I'm thinking of a mid late nineties, Winona Ryder as a star. I think the Hitchcock's much should be made is based on crop gras disease where you think everyday objects have been replaced by imposter objects? One man has a secret and those in power can't hold him down because quite frankly he flails around too much Jimmy Stewart stars, and Alfred Hitchcock's. Restless legs syndrome. Okay. I totally totally freaked out by dramatic mania that I cannot handle that, also, by the way, speaking of strange videos, I'm kind of mad that this was introduced to me. But have you guys heard of trip to phobia, because that is one that I did not know of somebody told me about it. I googled it. I wish I did not Google it. Because now I'm wondering if I have it don't look trip to phobia, whatever you do have a Fuyu of googling the word trip to phobia. And if you do, please don't victors, who know let's welcome, somebody back into the studio who I have no phobias about whatsoever. Is the world's greatest go host both here. The years nineteen fifty eight the top song is at the hop. Bye, Danny, and the juniors superglue was invented the price of postage stamp is only four cents. President Dwight Eisenhower signs, the national 'aeronautics and space at creating NASA. It's a big year for space with the US launching its first ever satellite explorer, one, fourteen year old, Bobby Fisher wins the United States chess championships, big movies include South Pacific, auntie mame. And of course, today's film, vertigo, rated number nine, and the af is two thousand and seven list up a whopping fifty two points from the nineteen ninety seven list where it was rated at number sixty one Amy vertigo who's in. It wasn't about already. It is directed by Alfred Hitchcock. And it is about I police detective his name. Scotty he's played by James Stewart, who's in several times, unless this before James Stewart is disgrace, because he was on a regular mission helping his police cut buddy. Chase a criminal. He realized he had vertigo. Nearly fell from roof. His buddy died trying to rescue him. And now in the trauma of this, he's hired by an old college friend to stock the college fans wife. The vengeance says my wife has this thing she disappears. She goes inside her head, I think she's haunted from this woman in the past named Carlotta Valdes from vintage San Francisco, history, and lore. He follows the wife he falls in love with the wife, the wife dies, and then the wife comes back in the form of one of the exact same face don't done. And that is Kim Novak in a dual role, and it's interesting because the film vertigo is often blamed for creating or popularizing the misconception that vertigo means a fear of heights and actually means a sensation of whirling and loss of balance, and that's often associated with looking down from a great height. So Hitchcock is presenting it the right way. But I think people just assume that vertigo is a fear fights, anyway, a little, little background on vertigo the disorder for you, do you want to know, over Jek title this title did not make it very far at all. But it was a title. That screenwriter Taylor. The thirds kicked around Hitchcock, or at least just blurted out once to lay a ghost. Wait is a joke. Probably. Oh my God. They did say to lay a ghost. To lay a ghost. I love it. I love it. I love it to catch a thief goes, do you have? I don't have vertigo. Do you know I don't know? I mean I have I like I like heights, actually, but I did I took a trapeze class once and I learned that what I cannot do is jump from a tall thing. Why would you want to write like I can't jump off a platform, but I can stare down forever. There's something about like not being in control of being at the top that I can't, I hate slides. It's the same thing I love slides, where I get the feeling the most the fear of heights. The most is an I can only kind of politics one location. But in Las Vegas at the pump so tell they have like a skylight in a bar that shoots down to the ground. So it's a a floor light essentially. So when you're standing over it, you're just hovering in the air, and I get nervous when I stand on it. I I'm tempting fate. I don't like it. I don't like standing on that clear glass. Tile. Like, why am I tempted fate here? Zip lines. Oh, yeah. Do that. I'm just picturing, you and famous getting like the vertigo zoom in zoom out crazy camera effect that Hitchcock came up with getting that, while looking down at, like just some dudes beer. Let's talk about that technique that he uses to create the sensation of vertigo. Right. This is this Dali's zoom where you're basically dulling out zooming in at the same time. So the cameras physically moving away from a subject while simultaneously zooming in. You've actually saw it in jaws as well. But the second is at least to me, yeah, right? I mean like brody's face was like. It's like it's really intense. And, you know, a lot of people give that a to Hitchcock for creating that. But it wasn't actually him people say it was actually this second unit. Cameraman Erwin Roberts who created that. So little, you know, little just do for Irwin Irwin. We wouldn't have that awesome in Jonah's without you. I remember going on the universal tour and like watching, how they created this effect back when I was a kid. It was so cool, too many people and we talked about this a little bit last week. This is their favorite movie of all time on the sight and sound list after years of kind of steadily moving up the charts it overtook citizen Kane, you know, and it's viewed by many people as Hitchcock's masterpieces best work. Yeah. I mean this film it came out in fifty eight. I don't even think it made it on the site and sound list until the eighties. And then it steadily climbed up. And, you know, a couple of the site in San inside is split their list into two groups, the critics list and the directors listed in critics vote. And directors vote. It might you. This isn't even a ton of people like I think vertigo is on the number one list was like a grand total of one hundred ninety one votes. That's ninety one votes. And that's on the critics list. It's not actually number one on the director's list its critics who love this movie. It's ridiculous talking about this movie and its critics who came to this movie much, much much later, after it came out, is interesting. Like I know we're going to do reviews the end. But I will it's not spoiler to say like when this movie came out people are like it's okay, little goofy. I don't know. It's fine. Hitchcock was embarrassed by this film. It was a flop when it came out, and he pulled it from circulation. It was only kind of put back into the world in nineteen Ninety-three after he had died, his family, put it back out there. And that's where this film kind of had a second life. It's almost like a Disney gaming of the system when they were like we're gonna hide Bambi you're gonna really want Bambi. Yeah. And then it comes back out because when you read people talk about vertigo almost nobody can talk about vertigo without talking. About either the rediscovery of it or then the restoration of it, they did in the nineties, like, but it's smart because this film took on this mythology. I mean this film is a myth and then it took on this extra methology around it. And I think a lot of why people love it. So much is maybe not even because it's the best Hitchcock. But it might be the most Hitchcock where like his career ended we saw the entire body of work. He made we saw of fixations. We saw all of his obsessions, we really knew how he treated actresses after this, because this comes out before psycho Hitchcock's career is done, and then you dig through everything. And you're like this one vertigo this has him with women this as him as controlling this has his sort of like a vodka. Tive nece. This has the way that he loves to put audiences in a spell. You know, this is a film that is so different from citizen Kane as many ways, because I think of citizen Kane as perfect, and it gives it isn't Kane, as like this flawless, magical clock where everything is in place in everything ticks, everything is beautiful and everything. Is smart. And all the dialogue is great vertigo is something different. It's like this, like, maddening strange. I don't know why am I had the image is like it's like if you had a peanut butter sandwich with bananas, and bacon, and you're like this shouldn't work, but it works and you're like conflicted. And you keep eating the sandwich. Yeah. Well, I was thinking about this as well. It feels to me like a Kubrick film, in the sense that it's really pushing a boundary here. I feel like an it's an adult movie. It's showing a protagonist that we now come to recognize as normal. And a to go to the most often use example, the Walter white example, the flawed hero, the anti hero, I mean, Jimmy Stewart, and this movie is not the Jimmy Stewart that we know from other films that we've seen in this list, he's a very flawed damaged character I leave and say this movie he's not even an anti hero. But this movie is anti hero. Yeah. Has it opens not only with him not doing a heraldic act by like falling off of the? Alka near nearly flying off the balcony, letting a criminal go free. The actual hero in that scene. The cop who goes to rescue him dies like the hero dies at the very beginning of the movie about who could have the criminal was like, I'm going to save my friend doesn't work. Here was his dead minute to Elba with the film opens from the black and white titles into color into these, this really provocative image of this woman's face in the into her I, which I was trying to mimic last night after I watch keeping your eye open that long without blinking tried to find some sort of fact on, whoever that woman was that wasn't Kim Novak while you're doing that in the mirror, I was doing it to myself, I knew him my I can blink. But I love that because he's asking you to study this face like look at this face. Look at a woman's face. And when you look at her lips like that you start to think like, are those the lips of Aligarh like where we going with this? When you look at her, I and he starts going to widening in vertigo that word vertigo just comes out of the pupil, and he'd go into this spiral other spiral. That's other spiral. And by the way, I acting. Yeah. It's like this shot in, in psycho, at the end where like you see. Mary rain dead. And then the cameras spirals over, I it spirals out like he loves pupils wonder that idea like, you know, the eyes are the window to the soul and inside you're looking in. Is that is devoid of a soul? Vertigo you keeping in this building doesn't have windows. And if it did people would still be alive. I mean, this movie is a lot about faces in a lot about silence in an away, I kind of believe this is like Hitchcock's version of a silent film for the first hour and thirty minutes. There is very little dialogue besides the opening scene and the scene in the boat yard. It's a lot of Jimmy Stewart, fouling Kim Novak and watching him watch her and in a way you're getting put into his POV kind of just becoming obsessed with an image, not the person the image of the person, and the making eye contact Kim Novak is ever. It's just him driving and music. And her walking Bernard Hermann score. Fantastic. Little similar to psycho, inspired by Tristan Isolde. Am I pronouncing it? Right. I don't know. But you don't need much dialogue to know what's going on. No, it facts. I was gonna talk. This guy talk about it now, this is the perfect time, there's this movie that came out last year called the green fog, have you heard about it? Oh, okay. There's this, experimental Canadian director that I've been obsessed with ever since I moved to L A, and heard about him. He news of him did not make it wasn't Oklahoma. His name is guy Madden. Oh, actually gave him an award for this movie. That green fog this year. It laughter. It's kind of complicated to explain. It's a remake of vertigo. However, it's a remake of vertigo made from footage of other movies shot in San Francisco. Chuck Norris movies, all sorts of movies, all these movies out of San Francisco. As a backdrop assembled into being the arc of vertigo the men, the meetings, the woman, the following the murder mystery, the depression, Chuck Norris, is in the depression montage, and what guy Madden and Evan Engalnd. Johnson has like two co directors do is they just assemble it based on mood and music. They cut out all the dialogue. There's almost no dialogue in the entire movie except the music carries you through you know, vertigo is. And they just have this music, have this imagery, the characters change from state missing because offered by different people. And yet it somehow is vertigo because this is a movie that exists, sort of, in a mythic gigantic emotional mood, board, state, without needing dialogue, you know. So you talking about it as a silent film is exactly right. And that's exactly what guy met did here like here, here's this. This is one of the only lines of dialogue in the entire film. It's a woman at a restaurant, sitting with her friend, and he just keeps cutting every time everybody opens their mouth. So it's a mix of music and just breath. And then this one. Go to the museum. Saturday. This is what I think, part of the vertigo magic is, you know, like sometimes I get frustrated about the way we talk about film. You know, we the grander gigantic, we including me where we get really focused. We have such tempted to that even me, it'd be like, nitpicky, blah, blah, blah, blah. And sometimes, I think nitpicking really matters, and sometimes, I think it doesn't because the film is operating on a different level, and this is a film, where it's never about the dialogue. It's not about like the quips it's not about cleverness. It's all about what cinema is because cinemas not supposed to be like a fable telling you, like, here's how to behave, which is how we think I think a lot of films are supposed to be now. Or like character didn't respond in a way that I think is proper and therefore they're cancelled or whatever vertigo is all just about capturing this feeling translating into the audience without words. I mean you don't have Jimmy Stewart go. I'm mad and depressed. You have Jimmy Stewart's face bathed in red blinking blinking, blinking. And that gets it across this is a purely visual film, in a way that citizens. With perfect visuals is not this is all visual will. And that's what brings me back to the Kubrick idea like this is a much more internal film. I think that a lot of Kubrick's films are about what's going on inside the mind of our league character. And in a way, this film subverts your expectation of what Hitchcock film is because we open up with a scene kinda shot like rope, a big wide apartment were watching Jimmy Stewart who were familiar with. But he's a little bit different than what we know he's a little bit more caddy a little bit more of a playboy, if you will, like you said, kind of, like teasing midge being kind of oblivious swank on his coffee table. Swing he's like a I'm a bachelor. I don't even put this up when lady comes over, but then once we get out of those first, two scenes, you really are left alone with him in the silences. And I think maybe why this is so personal Hitchcock is this is what Hitchcock does. He's behind a lens. Nhs looking at people. I know a lot of people say, like this is Hitchcock doing a self examination of himself like being coming, infatuated an angry with this blonde woman, and in watching her and obsessing with her. And then when, you know, later in the movie, she's not doing things right. He gets very controlling of her. And that's that was Hitchcock's MO. They his entire career is like driving his female actresses insane. And I think that's exactly why critics love this film is because they can just point to it and say there it is right? That is it that is what he was doing. And therefore, we have decided that you are the most perfect most representational. I mean you don't jump from sixty one on the list to nine in ten years. Unless people are talking about this film, like crazy, because it is fun to analyze in the historical context of who Hitchcock was. You know which to me I feel like a lot of different emotions about that. It's kind of weird that we're like, layering an artist biography onto this film, so that we can decide that it is the best, and yet, this film does have a genuine, hold on people. And yet my. Favorite hitchcock? Films are the ones aren't like this. Like I really love like the quickey sardonic funny stuff. I love like his British ones is early thirties ones. I love it when he just is mean and nasty and funny, and there's not much humor in this. So it's weird that the most representational isn't representational. But it is representational. It's everything will interesting because we're also talking about this world, where do we separate the art from the artists, and I think years, a perfect example of how the artist is making something that is important to him. And yes, he's pushing forward the medium, but the story seems very personal to him like he worked three different screenwriters to get this story, the right way, you know, throwing away scripts and really being very hands on in it. And talking about the silent nature of it, this movie that he didn't want the reveal scene, where Kim Novak writes the letter and says this is the plot. This is the whole story. He didn't want that in the movie. He took it out of the movie it was only. Forced in the movie. I think that's one of the reasons like Hitchcock was kind of upset with this film because I think he wanted this movie to live without that scene, and how crazy, would it be without that reveal seeing? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think personally for me, I would like it a lot less without the reveal swim because I mean, now we just live in this era. It's like somebody moves around in acts really weird in the last act there. Like I had a miscarriage you're like, okay. I mean that's so many films, and it drives me nuts where like the person holds back the one piece of information that explains what the characters acting like this. I don't know why I'm using miscarriage I guess, because of the horrible Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt movie by the see where that was like the whole thing we lost a baby. Like that's what you're fighting. Okay. I think it'd be so much more interesting for film, like that, if at the beginning, there, like we had a miscarriage now let's go to the ocean and work it out. Then they get to fight like I don't know why we have to do things like a surprise. Well, it did to me. I really appreciate that. We get to know that she's like, is that makes her performance so much more compelling in the second half? Like I can't imagine how that would performance would go if you thought she was just a woman giving in to what this random guy wants her to do, but actually, makes her character make sense. You see what she's going through her guilt? His guilt. And he knows him share to cares about him when he walks on the door, even though to duties credit, she's remarkable actress listen to this day, I see each other. And she's pretending Susan know him talked what about you? Why? Because your mind miss somebody. I heard that one before too. I remind you someone used to be madly in love with then she did you for another guy and you've been carrying the torch ever since? And you saw me in something clicked. On for. Well, it's not gonna work. See a better go. Let me commend. Let me commend. Here you can leave the door open. I just wanna talk to you. I mean, I think that Judy does not get enough credit for being a phenomenal actress. I'm talking about Judy. You're not even Kim Novak like duty is playing it off. So, well, you know, we're getting here, a real voice or impatience, she's very convincing in that scene great. But anything about the everything that Judy had to do as Madeleine Judy had to act passive, a bit lead this man in different directions and get it, so it would feel like his idea to take her to this place or to take her that place. I will bring you here at the right time. She wants him to bring her where the where the woman is upstairs about to be thrown out. She has to convince him all these things are his idea, which is oh, really? I mean, let's just like improv, that's like, could anybody from UCB do that? I mean I don't know probably because we're that good. But I do believe this movie is about manipulation employing into people's egos. Like 'cause she manipulates him. The first half of the movie, and then you know, he's manipulating her the second half of the movie, you know, these are two people who are really flipping the script on each other. When you see Jimmy Stewart you hear his voice here as after he gets out of the mental institution. He is a broken man. He's not the man that you hear in the beginning. What what good luck do? I don't know. No good. By the way, let's say him talking to midge to present their, you know about those things you're a big boy. Now remember run across one like that it's brand new revolutionary uplift. No shoulder. Straps. No back. Straps. But does everything brassieres should do works on the principle of the cantilever bridge? Aircraft engineer down the peninsula designed. It worked it out in his spare time hobby. Do it yourself type thing. How's your love life? Midge. A couple of things. I love the scene so much because like just that cut of like him being like here's a brawl. How's your love life? And we all know is going through his head, but be this is a scene about what is relationship be like with midge. They're talking about romance about bras about underwear in the most bridge cantilevered mentioned type of way. I mean, this, this romance would be a logical orderly engineered romance, where everything was in place. Any rejects that, for this romance with, like the tragic, tragic Kim Novak eighty falls prey to it? I think every single man in our film falls prey to these films are all about one thing this dummy thinks this hot girl, could really like him. That's what we saw with Fred macmurray. Well, but hold on. Let's go. One step further and say, I think that this character falls victim to what every stereotypical male falls victim to the thing, that's unattainable is. Better than the thing. That is attainable. You know what I'm saying? It's like he has this great relationship with midge. It's playful. It's fun. But he is falling in love with Kim Novak, who doesn't even speak until, like one third into the film. Like there's no connection there. He just falling in love with her from a distance. It's like watching an MSNBC investigative report, where it's like the man killed his wife because he thought the nanny was into him a thought the nanny was into him. Not they had an affair. It's the guy just assuming that there's no there's no reason why they shouldn't be together, even though he knows nothing about them. And this is I think like goes right to as far on that believability edges. You can, which is why I think it works so well as a dream movie at the time and this movie didn't do Hitchcock said he thought a lot of it really was the audience having a problem with the age gap between Jimmy Stewart and Kim Novak. Jimmy Stewart was over twice Kim Novak's age fifty and Jews twenty-five. Yeah. Yes. Everybody was like, no. Thank you for that. But to me it works really well. Age gap with the first half of this movie when he's just in love with her. Absolutely. Because you know what? Jimmy Stewart brings to this to this love story has with a woman who he falls in love with before she talks when we see her in a graveyard framed in flowers and gravestones, the most ominous of all symbols, I was actually at that church. A couple of weeks ago is pretty cool. And they had to take away the gravestone here, right? Because. Yeah, because it was like, we don't want people coming here as a tourist attractions Easter Sunday. It was Easter weekends. It was like to create care, crazy news to go inside, but it was like, oh Hello church. But anyways, what Jimmy Stewart brings to? This is just this like, sincerity in this dopey nece, you want to be on his side. I mean, here's actually Hitchcock's daughter, Pat, explaining it. I think Jimmy personified for my father, every man, so that when people went to see a picture, they could put themselves in Jimmy's place, and especially in vertigo, he wanted the audiences to identify with Jimmy, which is what everybody did. I mean I will say where it doesn't work for me as the second half. Wait. That's where it works for me. Really? Oh my gosh. Because I think the first half of the movie is not hard, but asks a lot of the audience to go with you on this journey. You don't understand what you're really watching. I mean you do, but it's a very slowly paced quiet patient film. And then when you see the complete unraveling, and this is what I was talking about before playing those two scenes kind of back to back. You see, Jimmy Stewart his whole character makes, you know, one eighty switch in a way that you're like you see him as a shell of a man, and I like him as old man, who's trying to hold onto to something and, and makes the whole peace sad, and tragic, and I like all that, too. I do I like his hair, so great that we, we had this Jimmy who has this. Like young idealist going to Washington gonna save the planet and then here he is later in his career decades later. Being so broken a level that I love him being like this might be my last chance for like beautiful hot women who might love me. It's harder for me to buy that Kim Novak likes him that Judy Barton has like chosen him. I can't quite by that. But I don't need to also, don't you think that she it, don't you think that she falls for him, the same reason why he falls for her like he's looking out for her? He is introduced to her as damaged goods. And so he's, I can protect your eyes saved her. You literally from the water, I put her in my bedroom. And I took care of her. If you take if you save somebody's life there, you'll responsibility. I like that she's ruins his life, but I think in the beginning, he is of the high status position looking after a low status position. And so I think it's like you know, some people like that kind of relationship where you're always the provider. And like, that's how you keep somebody close and then flips in the second act, she's almost taking care of him. She does. Need to die as hair. She feels bad that he he's gone insane. So she's only doing this, because she's trying to make amends, but she's taking care of him. I mean, you know, and you'll get the movie they're, they're really mirror reflections of each other each half, you know, I don't know. She feels like she's taking care of him. What I hear Judy is complete broken nece. You know this idea I mean listen to the desperation in her voice, where she says. Fine, do whatever you want. Please. You. I let you change. Tell me will you love me. Anymore. I mean that's like a complete sublimating of herself. I don't care anymore about me, but don't you also feel like this is a kind of a statement on men and women like in the opening scene. We meet Jimmy Stewart a man has died. And he's slightly cavalier walking around spinning Cain. The be can't be a police officer again, but it doesn't seem to be really heavily weighed down by this death that he caused and accept the verdict, which is like brand new. Exactly. But later on, we have this woman who has rec this man's life. Not only she been complicit in a murder. But now she's wreck this man's life and I think that, that's up, LeMay. Shin is her guilt coming out like she can't walk away. Like she thought she was a person who could take that money trick, this guy, and be clean and free. But she's like I need to make this, right. So the way that she is making it right? Is by giving up herself the only thing that she has left, you know, she isn't this cold hearted person, where argue that Jimmy Stewart is I don't know. I mean, the joy in her voice. Choice when she's like, let's go out to dinner, and he's like, yes anywhere you want. She's so happy in that moment to be in a relationship. But then again, I mean, this is the one who lived basically the same life as the fictional Carletonville. Does you know, she was the mistress of a married, man? And then she went a little crazy. You know, she really went too far in this, and then she was abandoned by him. You get the sense that, like she was totally totally dumped by Gavin Elster. And now she's back in this like hotel room where she's lived for a long time. I mean the day after Jimmy Stewart goes crazy. She's probably on a date with governor Elster somewhere. You know, and then he don't. Well, I mean. Yeah. Because she believes that she did that out of love, and now she's alone. And I think that you go back to the idea like, where she's from she's from Kansas, and she's, you know, probably completely utterly looking for companionship on any level. And I think this is a San Francisco story. But it could be a very much a Hollywood story. It's like it's a lonely city and she's just looking for something. And you know what? This. Person who's obsessed with her. She'll take it, clearly, she's not, you know, in making great relationship choices. Anyway, they just slam the door on a lot of dudes. But this is an abusive relationship, I mean, abusive relationship I mean, we're seeing it through those is not saying Jimmy Stewart is bad in this movie. But I am to say as a thought experiment. Wouldn't it be fun to swap Jimmy Stewart out with, like inactive who might have more chemistry with her? We could actually picture her being like yes, I would give up everything to be with you. I just think there is something really universal. I think that, you know, a younger woman is viewed as a sign of youth, and it's all about what she does for him, if they did have more chemistry then it's a romance. This is not a romance. This is a man who doesn't care what she wants he has defined her in the beginning, and then found this woman and his, redefining her to fit what he wants. He has. She has no saying it, it's like just do what I want you to do. And I feel like you see this. Element to him where it's like I don't care it you want, like I want this, and I, you know, at one point, that's all true. Totally true. Like I totally believe in the beginning like Jimmy Stewart is never really in love with metal. And because there is no matter what. Give somebody doesn't exist this. I'm not saying that I want this to be the model of a good relationship at all. I think the fact that we try to make everything. Good is really frustrating. This is about a battery ship totally I'm just saying, when everybody watches this movie through Jimmy Stewart's point of view. There's a little bit of me that wants to be in judy's point of view in item, not totally. There are you're, you're saying, and it's not her movie. You know, it's all about how Jimmy needs to possess this woman, and, like, almost, I feel like anytime you would see her with a dialogue scene when he's not around. It wouldn't make a difference. I mean, yes, totally I'm not demanding reality firmness. And all I'm just saying that this is another example of the movies that do not understand female, desire, do not really think of it beyond things of guilt, and obligation. And this girl must be lonely until this dude knocks on her. She has a full life. We see her with friends isn't that why this movie is a little bit strong because he wouldn't even think about her point of view. It doesn't make a difference. You know. The story he's telling it's like she is a prop in this man's world. And I hear you're saying I totally get it. But I think it almost makes the film stronger, because it's so on the knows that it's like if she had more of a dynamic point of view, it would almost lose that so personalized vision of this movie like this guy, which is totally. You're right. That's true. I think that's true. I think it's just the agony of her being like I will change myself are. It's terrible if she was looking at, like, rock Hudson, or even Humphrey Bogart. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I just want a little bit of. Yeah. I just want to be like, yeah. Right. I get it right. I mean it makes more tragic that he's not. Have you ever? I mean. Have I ever this guy's myself as somebody else, and then run back into the man that I know I, I was gonna say, well, you know what? I was gonna say, yeah. You'll never get my DNA. I feel like some of the worst mistakes I ever made when I was dating. We're like making these weird compromise it look back on it. Now fuck why would I ever do that? Like at one point, I literally considered moving to Florida. Yeah. And, and no no offense to Florida but I was working as an actor at that point. And I was getting some success in giving it up give it up because a girlfriend that I was dating wanted to go there, and I literally justify device, it was like, maybe I could like work at like Walt DisneyWorld or something like that. One of the thing about that. Now, it almost makes me nauseous, like I don't know why. But in the in the throes of that, that relationship the idea of breaking up with this person seem. So, you know, it's not me it's not even me a reflection of meat in that moment. It was dislike the desperation of that moment. I don't know. I just feel like I defy with that shit decision that you make sometimes when you're little loss than I think relationships can do that, too. Yeah. I totally do too. And I appreciate that vertigo gives us a chance to talk about all that. Yeah. I really do. I really do. I was just saying maybe he's miscast maybe but by the way, but by the way, I will say that the first thing that I notice in this film, and I don't know if it's because it's color or whatever choose to it looks old. He does old to me. I mean look like he could have gone to college with midge will midges fifteen years younger than him, too. I mean college when we were in college together way, I mean, although that doesn't stop most. I mean, we, we can get into a whole world of how men are always mismatch. With their female counterparts. But here's one thing I want to talk about in regards to all this. We're talking a lot about how Hitchcock was making a movie that potentially is his point of view or version of it. But here's a man who is known for being a taskmaster known for really driving his leads insane. But here he doesn't do it to Kim Novak. He doesn't do it at home. She said I had a great time with him. I, I he barely gave me a note. She said, I knew how to calibrate my performance based on what I saw on Jimmy Stewart's is. Yeah. And ain't people talk a lot about like the few times. Kim Novak navy raised her hand and complained everything. One of the big things is that Kim Novak didn't wanna wear a grey suit because she felt like blondes, look bad in grey that she looked bad in gray, which is exactly what Hitchcock wanted. He wanted to blonde to looked a little weird just want to say I like wearing grey, I didn't know blondes couldn't wear grey, earthly looks great and Greg. I think she scraping by the way, the costumes designed by Edith head. I mean, and that's just. You know, I think the costumes are beautiful in this movie. I mean they really are. Because I, I really actress with the white coat and a black scarf and they play with, like the ideas of color in such an insane way. Like, I really feel like it's just like what you said they, they're psychologically jarring. And I think that was like, what Hitchcock was trying to do. Yeah. So it's weird because whenever people talk about the making of this movie. They're always like Kim Novak was mad about the suit in only like well fine. Yes, it also. They talk about how Kim Novak was on strike when the film started, you know, Kim Novak, by the way, I find really interesting. There's a good biography about her. If you ever wanna read it, and, you know, her whole story was, she was just a pretty girl who kind of does like an appliance model. She would be like at frigerator display being like Hello. She was voted miss deep-freeze like imagine she winds up in Hollywood. You know, at this time when they're looking for another beautiful blonde to, you know, make sure they have a backup, Maryland case, anything goes wrong with that one like, how do we make another blonde in the studio system? And it's Harry Cohn at Columbia, total dick bag. Who made a lot of great actresses made a lot of great films. But he basically was like, I'm gonna make this girl over for sure. And he kind of picked her out almost as like Bill last one. He was going to do this, too, because the students this diet at this point. And so they had big fights about things like he wanted her to change her name. He didn't want her last name to be Novak you thought it was too ethnic interesting. And she refused, she kept her name because she had this kind of attitude of, like she didn't die to be an actress. It wasn't like the sole goal of her life was, so she could walk away any minute. She didn't really care. And so Kim Novak was really used to like push poll of fighting against a man who is controlling her. In this case, it was Harry Cohn like Harry Cohn would stake out where she lived and he would have like guys watching the entrance and exit her house to make sure she didn't go on a date with anybody. She wasn't supposed to go on dates with and actually when this movie was like coming out when it was getting ready to go into production. She had just fallen in love with Sammy Davis junior, and Harry Cohn killed that he was like you are not allowed to get married to induce junior. Do know what that would do to your career. And he was just. Controlling everything about her life. So she went on strike. Right win this movie was about to start because she realized that Harry Cohn, get this, this other studio system, worked, because this wasn't a Columbia film, paramount was paying Harry cohn's Columbia. They're paying him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the rights to use Kim Novak in this movie two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and you know what Harry Cohn was paying Kim, Her cut. He was only paying her twelve hundred and fifty dollars a week. So she was like, are you kidding me? So she went on strike at the beginning of the film. And she was like, I'm not going to do this until you pay me more. You the original actress who's even supposed to do it before. Kim Novak was VERA miles. Contender. We'll VERA miles gets pregnant so Kim Novak's brought in. But then Kim Novak is busy shooting. And they promise her like a vacation after she's done shooting, and then VERA miles like, actually, now I've had my baby and I'm back. Let's put me to work, and then Hitchcock kind of pulls a Hitchcock is like, no, we'll do Kim Novak instead. And so he still is playing these games with his leads, but it's it's interesting like what this movie would have been with VERA miles. I think Kim Novak is a better choice. I mean they got so far with the VERA miles thing, do they even painted that Carlotta painting with very mild face like that actually exists. I made in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Kim Novak was like the bombshell like she was though, what everybody was in love with her. She was like the nineteen Fifty-eight vision of just sex. God totally see in that scene, where he like takes her out from the water, and she's like in his room in the bathtub, you know, in her in that bag, he's a little bit of a creep. Right. I mean, I feel like him undressing her. Putting her in the bed. It seemed slightly creepy to me like it, there's an interesting mix of creepy not creepy in that scene. Right. 'cause that seems starts with this pivot kinda like the silence of the lambs turning around and what you see is, I got his apartment, the swank magazines UC hall her underwear hanging up in the kitchen, Lincoln's dry. So, you know, she's not wearing it any panorama and see her in bed. And then when he comes into the room, she super-normal about it, and that was actually not hitches choice. Those the production code production, code was like you can have her naked in his bed, but you need to make this as unwired as possible, so they made him have her be on ruffled about it and act like it was not a big deal because if she acted like a big deal if she had more of a human reaction to, like, oh, God. I'm naked insa man's bed, then there would be more sexy. They didn't even want to highlight how unnerving it was interesting. I mean, I think going back to what you talked about earlier. That's the same reason why that bra seen is the way the bras scene is. We're talking about the cancer lever bridge, and everything that, that is the production code saying, it can't be that sexy. You can show a bra you could talk about abroad, but you kinda take the sex away from it. And in a weird way, I think it helps inform. The scenes a little bit because they're are a little bit more stilted now more surreal, which is yes. Yeah, but you're the one person in this world who is not surreal is midge, who is just watching his whole thing, go down and being like excuse me, you don't think this is weird. I mean listen to midge when he explains what's happening, what his new job as you haven't told me everything, I've told you enough. What was the guy who's the wife out? I've got things to do. I know the one that phoned your old college chum Elster out. Please I is at the beautiful man Karas come back from the dead taking possession of his wife. Oh, no, Johnny really come on. I'm not telling you what, I think I'm telling you, what he thinks. But what are you saying? She pretty call oughta know not. Qarbata. L Stras wife. Yes, I guess, should consider that she would think I'll go take a look at that portray a couple things like Mitch, by the way, is added to this movie super late realize, yes, he's one of the last additions in the script because this will movie without midge was more just like Boise's girl boy, loves girl. Boy follows girl girl dies boys betrayed by girl again. And when Jimmy Stewart read that script, he has like it's a little too weird in so in one of the last drafts in his third writer with Samuel Taylor Hitchcock in Taylor, Taylor, specifically came up with this character of midge as a person, in this film, who's not insane. Basically, to have a person in the film that like you can relate to and that is speaking, sort of the truth, that is grounding this in any sort of reality, and they did that to try to get Jimmy Stewart back on boards at this film was in so weird, you know. And she never by the way, even met him on the set because all they're seeing heart, but she has that fantastic seen just right after this, where she sees Kim Novak run out of Jimmy Stewart's apartment after she's like wet and he's on the phone. And you just see her try to keep her face calm and a little bit of a quiver in just side. She's going to be okay with it act. Okay with it. And it's this delicate little moment that I love so much. What was interesting in the original ending of the film lead, one seemed tacked on which was, you know, after Kim Novak falls to her death again or guess the real, you know, really foster death in the original end you would go back to midges apartment, and she's listening to a radio report about the pursuit of Gavin Elster across Europe. She switches, the radio off Scottie enters the room, they shared drink, and look out the window and silence. And, you know, they said that, that may have been shot, because it was part of the production code administration that you need to, like catch the bad guy. But I love the fact that she's his home, like he goes back to her. It's like art will now she's dead midge. What do you got if the love of my life is dead? I'll go back to number two who. Will always be waiting and there she is waiting for him. But there's also this kind of interesting thing in the film, where I think the film kind of playing with, like two different ideas of what working woman hit is. You know, you have the rejected Mitch who has like our own career doesn't need him, isn't just like listen to the scene when Scotty first meets Gavin Elster, you know, the rich guy in the way Gavin talks about the past. So I decided as long as I had to work at it. I come back here. It was like to how long have you been back? Almost a year you liking. Well, San Francisco's changed things that spill San Francisco to me disappearing. Fast. All aid. Yes, I should like to live here in color. Silence. Freedom. Shouldn't you be sitting down? I just love that moment because it just shows like we're always living in a world where we're upset at the changes that have gone on. I wish it was like like he wants to be old. Servers go people right now on the old San Francisco like it, you always wanted to be like the way it was in your youth. I thought that was very interesting point of view, or just a way show. Kind of how things never really changed. Yeah. Like, even that earnings restaurant, they're always going to this movie with the red velvet. And the tapestries and everything. I mean that's not what a restaurant looked like in nineteen fifty eight. If you were San Francisco, that restaurant was sort of, like, also going to like trader Vic's or something. It was a customer stran-, as like the gay nineties is in Francisco, like, but when you went there, like ha ha they've got electric candelabras, isn't that funny? And then one of the other things that else are reminisces about is like when he's talking about Carlotta you know, this is like San Francisco figure who was the woman who fell in love with the rich guy. And then when he dumped her and left her pregnant with a kid she went crazy, and you sort of reminisces about it. He's like, you know, back then a man could just like take a woman, and then leave her. And that's what you could do as like reminiscent nostalgic for this past at the same time even though it's kind of what he's doing in effect to duty a one hundred percent. What he's doing. I mean d is foreshadowing exactly what he's doing. And by the way, doubling it because he's killing his wife and he's like living, fine. And he's like dumping his mistress. This guy is getting shit done. Yeah. I mean, if you think about what this movie is, it's sort of, like two, guys also being like women are crazy, right? Yeah. Makes sense. She's crazy women as he can't really predict them. And then after the wife dies after the Madeline dies. They have a jury decide why she died. The jury is all made of men here they are coming to their verdict. We'd be diverted. Thank you. The jury funds that Madeleine else to committed suicide while of unsound mind verdict would be so recorded dismissed any I'm not saying this is a problem of the movie at all. I want to be really clear. I'm not saying like how dare this movie be sexist? I was thinking this movie is sort of about sexism. It's I should leave. Yes about it. I mean that movie is to feminism, what the courtroom scene into kill Mockingbird is about racism men being like yeah. Women were crazy. We have let me ask you a question. Do you think Scott is a good detective? You know, I don't think he's good detective because he never looked at a picture of Elster wife. He just waited out front for a woman who matched the description of her, and then went off and went to four like it would seem to me. You would build some sort of profiling system to make sure you're not just following a random blonde and you learned. Nothing from Chinatown. Oh, come on. Get on it. Yeah. I mean look, he loses her in the hotel, which I don't understand what that magic trick was, which it says, Syria. It's so surreal it makes no sense. But was she trying to lose him? What actually happened there that she of the keys to the real apartment? How did she sneak past the woman who was sponging off her flowers? I don't know is speaking of disappearing I love that shot where they go to the woods together, and she walks behind a tree, and you see this tear in his face. Like, did she just vanish? It's like watch you have kids, it's like. Like toddlers being tested for objects when you hide an object and they're suddenly like, oh my God, that ball is gone. It's behind the it's binding up. It must be gone forever. And there's something in his face. That is so childlike raise, like I he's reverting to basically being an infant around this woman. He also has experienced it in the past where she can disappear in an instant. I mean she leaves his apartment, she's up in that hotel. 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A mystery could be, for example, who stole money at a Bank suspense. He always said was an emotional process, and he always used fee example of a ticking bomb, if you know that there's a bomb under a table, and it's going to go off in five minutes. Suspense, it's an emotional process. I mean the idea. He was driven by emotion. I find that really interesting because I wonder like when we're in an era right now. I you take plots really literally, you know, audiences a sort of trained to be like looking for plot holes, but I mean I feel like Hitchcock. Would he encourage us to scale back on the literal -ness of his films in get more into the emotional dream state? Oh, absolutely. I mean, he was often criticized by critics and people of his day for kind of coq, and bull stories fall fetch stories and that goes, a prime example of that he wasn't concerned with the critics, all of the festivus nature about solving every arm, sir, in film. He he wanted to create an emotional dreamlike state. He wanted to the audience for, like, a roller coaster ride or a trip to the haunted, funhouse, unveil films like this go, Mani, see premature samba Savat, because they are very dreamlike. And as we talk so much about Hitchcock's blondes. But what are the things that you really point out is Hitchcock's favorite color, which is something we don't talk that much about it here in vertigo. It seems very much to be green. Yes. His his favorite color was green, because I got that from the wardrobe mistress Rita Ricks. Worked on the bed psycho Amani he decorated his house in Bala shades of green. It was very cool. Calming colorful him. And this also of the state the color of the afterlife. So when you first see modulation can Nate back in earnest restaurant, she's wearing this beautiful emerald. Green dress a late. So she drives her green coffee hills in San Francisco, and the most famous sequence in batch guys, when she appears as motley once more trust in this grey, suit and Hitchcock in the film up, the empire hotel in San Francisco, because they had this big green nail light. So when she comes out to the bathroom with a head up dresses magic, when it's like a ghost. She's paved miss green lights from the nail on and say that was a hit important for Hitchcock. What was his relationship like with kinetic? I, I lost feud can they've Cup? Years ago, the count film festival, and she's got nothing but admiration now for Hitchcock. She has any very fun was to say about him because she, she appreciates the importance of vets-go untaped place in film history. I also interviewed the production manager. He said he post away, now his name was dock Eric's, the and he said that Kim's view has changed. Yes. Because when she filmed got she was twenty four and she was obviously, a feisty strong headed blonde who who's just being Provea studio system herself that Columbia with Harry Cohn. And so she had very firm opinions about what she would wear what she wouldn't want to the Hitchcock had firm opinions. So it was kind of a meeting of two firm headed individuals in Hitchcock one out. But I mean, none of Hitchcock's films with Tippi Hedren her on the list. I know that they Euler sort of specializing as you would a book on the birds a book on money. I mean in those performances in the actresses themselves, and what they brought to the film. How'd you sort of compare 'cause we talk about Hitchcock blondes like their monoliths? But what do you think tippy was doing different than Kim? Kim was more of a say more of an experience actress she had more films onto her about. Tapie was a complete Annetjie that need on commercials. The famous story is that Hitchcock high in -sego dot drink commercial and said, I'm gonna make this girl is star and say he's leaf because he felt that the bird stood need any stars. He was the star the birds with a star and hit. Remember he just on psyche, which made eighteen million dollars at the box office? And so his belief was anything he could touch returned to go if he really wanted Grace, Kelly and Cary Grant through rose, but they went to a liberal, but Kim Novak, I think the general consensus is cheap brings an enormous amount to power vets guy. Many critics believe she, she would be an even greater than what their Amal's could have done with a row because of presence of Paju -ality a US snows. And she really catches this. Spirit, Judy the Scheldt gal in particular. I mean, do you think if Grace Kelly hadn't become a Princess, he would have just committed himself to her for the rest of his life in terms of his star? Well, he always, he always wanted a definitive Hitchcock lawn, but remember hit just going through the same prices with Ingrid Bergman who will sit three threesomes and Ingrid Bergman similarly banned him for Rossellini the Italian director, she married bus with with Grace Kelly. He was in Ahmed by her because she became a Princess and savy state, avai friendly relations. He would go visit with alma in Monaco and say he was he was very much, you know of grace being a Princess and he was often Janko rose grace, but she's off being a Princess, so he always said the find the next Grace Kelly. So he tried with their mouths and then somewhat with either married. Saint in no fighting off west who is very fund off event, sign they tip headroom. Here's my big question is like, you know so well that vertigo is gone to this rise, and fall in, in esteem from critics esteem from audiences and after being mixed in bumpy. It is now just ascended, you know, some people put it at number one on the list of the best films, ever made do you think that he would be surprised to see how vertigos received today or I think it was a very, very personal film for him. And I remember someone complimented him on that guy. And he had tears in his eyes because it was really not by critics time. And he withdrew from circulation, partly as a financial means to secure success when it was late to re released, but I think he it was certainly my personal to hitch, always, quote, shadow of a doubt is his favourite film, because of a small, it's his first time. Really American film, where he encapsulates of kind of small town America. But this is certainly his most personal where he puts his failings up on the screen, and he looks up at you -ality of women and basically, the nation of romantic love, and the idea that we are in love with an image quite often. 'memorial person we create this image about us, and often very disappointed when you find up for tree passed onto Nayef image. And so, I think that's possible reason many, particularly male critics like that guy. But when you look at female critics, who, who admired that to get I think they see it very much. Critique of male patriarch key over. Wave women are treated, but we'll say they will say I think understand that hitch coke is very much women's side. And he really makes. Study of the objection of women in patriarchal society of how women have been at dated in my boss. And he's very much pro heroin. I think that's why he makes a famous reveal two-thirds way free vet guy of Judea really is. She really is pretending to be mild Lin Amelia's snows about, but, but Jimmy Stewart character doesn't, and that was a really big decision on Hitchcock's pot. Dave, Adam studio against that because they wants to save the reveal to the but in doing that to feds way, maybe you're now looking at Jimmy Stewart's character, and you'll really looking at him as a very sick man and, and wondering what's going to happen, but you have say much sympathy for GD of his point because he realized that she is just being taped they manipulated by this man. Was like a dull. And so I think Hitchcock was very clever and he did stood similar things in tourists. With Ingrid Bergman, you feel great sympathy for the suffering heroine because she again, she's being manipulated by the Mamat. She loves Cary Grant my personal favorite Hitchcock film. And it I can't say it's the best. It's just my favorite is to have a tour. I don't know why love this movie so much. I have always thought it was fun, but you seem to really stick up for Marnie. And because that's not a film on this list. I'd love to just hear your passion plea for people taking money seriously and putting it sort of back in the list of the best Hitchcock films. I said, so money when I was eighteen at university of stirring, zoology and psychology at a time. And so it was very much the Mark Rutland character and very, very interested in Freudian analysis in very interested in instinctual behavior. So what's great about Hitchcock films? They may mean different things to you at different pairs. Of your life. Same seed money for couple of years to probably about five or maybe ten years now, but I still still enormously important film to may because of the way Hitchcock uses cameras technique, those yourself in subjects have states. So you really see what Monti's failing for the various zoom lenses red suffused, shins flashbacks back projection. So it's very much filmmakers, film, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to. Hitchcock's Jin today is the best film. I would say that would be no final west. Because for me that is definitive Hitchcock, because of it sent to share entertainment value and production by these as well. I think no binding of west is pup. So we'll Tony it has been so interesting talking to you. I really appreciate you make it ended up to us from all the way over there in England. Take it have a good evening. Bye. Bye. I, I was wondering if he did any researcher, defend any research because I didn't about kind of the way the movie looks, but that scene in the Redwood forest is, is so beautiful, and, and the lighting in this movie, you know, like the green coming in from the, you know, eliminate from the neon sign on the hotel, so beautiful. But then there's a scene in the graveyard which is so diffused and almost looks as if it was an accident, because there's other sequences that are so clean and clear. I was wondering that, too. Honestly, like there's so many things in here that just seem blown out with this white that I associate right now with low budget digital film-making where they go and get the white stark enough, where it just everything seems kind of faded it, but it's hard for me to think that he would want that to happen. It feels like sort of there's ghosts in the air spirits, and this is me feeling like I'm rationalizing something that I don't know why it's, it's, it's also dreamlike Meena were following the Cy kind of this fantasy. I mean, some people have even suggested that this movie is Jacob's ladder scenario something that we talked about it a lot on. How did this give me that like this is all in Jimmy Stewart's head, although I don't quite understand how they see that they say that he actually died and these are the final thoughts, but it would be a very convoluted way to have final thoughts, because he's not even Ned half of these characters to have final thoughts about, I think it's almost Ozzy and the scene had I always think about is where he's like tracking her at the very beginning. And she goes in this really great alleyway in the cameras like soaking in. It's like look at these gross bricks. Look at this dirt everywhere look how ugly, this is there's no sun, and he opens the door, and it's like boom, technicolor, flower shop, and it's again another shot of a man staring at this woman just obsessing over. What is she doing every time he kind of sees her? It's in a in a way, that is a little bit magical drew. Seem like colorful, bright. And I think if we want to draw a line over to his psychotic break, which is one of the most visually interesting sequences in the entire film. You know, when he's in that hospital bed, you have his face, and, you know, and the spinning, and this amazing computer animation, that goes on the sequence with first movie these computer animation, tending into other faces it'd be one face, and it's another face. I mean, can you imagine being in the theater in nineteen fifty eight and getting to watch that? Oh, it's I mean, in that you get from the opening of the movie like the game. We talk about that face the beginning, then you get into those spiral, graphs that are going around, like everything is about unnerving you in even the climactic kiss of the film. He the camera rotates around them, and we're going back into the past and we're back in the room. It's like this is a master filmmaker it's a really interesting choice for him. And I feel like because of the reaction of this movie he moves away from this, what would have happened if people would have. Said yes to this, you know, native loved it as much and fifty eight as they do. Now. Exactly, would we've gotten different films. And he makes a lot of choices. And I think the reason why it's so well, regarded now is because inadvertently he's pretty much influenced so many directors from storytelling, and from a visual point of view. Yeah, I mean that's shot of just him kissing her in the room swirling around him. In him showing you through image. What's in his head, you know, image and not even like in a way where you cut to inside his head in a flashback of, I remember kissing her here or something like that, or, or auditory flashbacks, which can sometimes I may not. I don't like it when like a scene just happens and half an hour later. They like replay like remember, don't go into the closet off. Hey, dummy proofing it's the word and that this is not dummy proof. Very this is like soil swells. Will you know that the stable is not buying them? And yet, they're it isn't, you know, everything he's thinking about in a way that this is pure cinema. This is pure cinema. That's what I'm saying that this movie. In many respects while citizen. Kane is kind of revolutionizing cinema. I think that this movie is, is playing in that same world. It's, it's, it's kind of saying, no, we know all this can we do even more of this. You know it's. May I mean in my world, vertigo will supplant citizen Kane on this list over my dead body and over my d'appel, gainers dead body over my Dabo. Gainers d'appel getting, here's dead body. I think citizen. Kane is wonderful, but I love the spritz of weird perfume that vertigo adds to the list. I one hundred percent agree. I think if I was to be asked today, which would be long on the top, I think you have to go citizen. Kane, only because it's when it was made how it was made in what it brought forward because citizen Kane influences vertigo. It includes his his Hitchcock. Like these are, you know, they are the most hated to go. But I mean but you know what I'm saying? It's like when something is so lauded for so long you're looking for reason to knock it off its perch, while do we really think this through is, is in Kane, really the best movie ever made. And that's a very you know based on everything we've talked about here. We've seen some amazing films. I still think the sum total of its parts. Make it the number one film, but you'll always be looking for that movie. It's going to try to take a shot at Macron's. Hip hop songs about this reached the top. Now, everybody wants to pick me take out, exactly. Pull a hip hop song for you. But I did Paul song film, the nineties band. Harvey danger for you. I realize where did. I know that name. And I was like, all right. Do it highly dangerous. Carlotta Valdes is actually about vertigo tape. Listen. Jimmy stewart? Yes. Fan. You can't swim on when you. Years. As someone who is in highschool in this came out. I've heard this millions of times, you know, and it was weird that this is a trend because there's also what about breakfast at Tiffany's saw. You know, there's all these kind of. All the time, because you don't agree on anything. That's a vase. I love it. But that like it's funny that this came about one of the other tracks on this album was I know Amy, you said, disturbing behavior is the vertigo of the nineties, right? The Katie Holmes movie, and that was, you know, of five pulse that are in that, so that's really covering the gamut of psychological thrillers. There's also like Mel Brooks is hiking Zaidi. Have you seen that, like, oh, yes, I mean, classic Mel Brooks film, and high anxiety really takes its poster from vertigo that face of Jimmy Stewart, you know, over an image rotating. It's so I have to play a clip of eyeing Zadie just because as Madeline Kahn. Richard Richard for world has gone crazy. I mean, nothing makes any sense anymore. I don't know what to believe, and what not believe my life is just all topsy turvy in one minute, you're singing, love phones, and the next minute, you're pumping bullets into an innocent man, and then is not you, it is the other hornbeck. I mean how much more girl take? I mean my nerve. Cracking, I feel like I'm going to I think I am going to ex-. Take it easy. Take it easy. I'm sorry, please, give me. I'm just so close to my menstrual cycle, but screen. That version of like a high strung seventies from Fidel nutcase is so perfect the blending that era into this. She's like in a head to toe. Like, I don't know. It was a Gucci print shouldn't head to toe Gucci Gucci car. Oh, did you see under the Silverlake yet? No, I have to too busy just kind of watching movies for this podcast called on full. I mean, what under the Silverlake does is like putting new are into the modern modern like I mean it's basically like if Jimmy Stewart was like a fuck boy of echo park or Silverlake. I mean it's perfect. And they figure out how to put into our character into this to like, how did just like nor can still exist on our world even though we think of it as thing that happens only in the forties. Jones through great job with that with brick. I think that there's so many examples of you can tell new our stories. It's it just sort of is, how can you subvert the genre? We're not in that nineteen forties. Hard-boiled thing you know. So what, what's the new version of that? I think there's plenty of plenty of things that even feel like new are. But they're not actually new are, you know, it's this person getting going on a journey me, we know this would be is received poorly. We know that this movie. Gets these mixed reviews. It does, you know, less than all of Hitchcock's previous movies. What was one of the, the worst reviews are one of those interesting reviews, I think this one because of the first line, this is from time magazine in mind, you this is in the context of this being roller. Alfred Hitchcock was actually maybe biz no one right now for doing that stuff on TV and the kind of theory of vertigo in a way it was that he had now become so popular mainstream on TV that he didn't have to do popular mainstream movies, he could do whatever weirdness he wanted soon away. Vertigo is like him expressing the things that he couldn't quite do on TV, and that is the context of this review at Hollywood's best-known. Butterball Alfred Hitchcock has been spread pretty thin in recent years. The old master now, a slave to television Hester another Hitchcock and bull story in which the mystery is not so much who it as who cares worked up from a novel by the French team that wrote the oblique and demonic the picture tells what happens to victim of vertigo when he meets a dizzy blonde. When she goes around and circles, he goes around in circles to until he falls are, then it gets a little bit applauded says he's trying to make a bunch of jokes, detective, Stuart saves it from the drink and takes her home for coffee with sugar soon. He's crazy about the girl but the girl is apparently just plain crazy. When does she lose him and jumps to her death? It's well, they would do all this, like, from the nearest steeple or does she if she does, then who is that redheads Stewart's? He's on the street about six months later, and then he gets me again, surely only Kim could look so be typically bovine by this time, the question is of little interest, particularly after a half hour or so of psychiatric disquisition that interrupts the plot in suspense, the suspense. If interesting, the review is so personal and I think it goes into his psyche. You know, you have a guy who I think is always being criticized for his weight in, in his stature, and I think there's a lot of health good. Does he have to be before? You can just refer to him in a pleasant way is a master filmmaker has been making films since the twenties. I think. They really might be thing where win. A filmmaker is doing work. That's not what you expect them to do. You don't know how to take it like you a film like this is messy. I'm gonna call it messy I think it is little messy. I think it drags. I think it strange. I think the pace is not clicking the way you think it's going to. It's doing whatever it was. And when you see a movie like this kind of like the way people react to under the Silverlake. You're like, what am I watching your resistant to it? You fight it the way people still think fight my personal favorite movie recent vintage synthetic New York as. Just like what am I watching, but and you want to just be like I'm smarter than this because I don't get it. But I also feel like this is the way I feel about Coen brothers films Kubrick films, Connie albums like on C case. But you, it's like you, you, you are looking for something, the last thing that you loved, and they're not giving you the last thing that you love. They're giving you a new thing. So part of watching the film is kind of like. Pulling back the expectation to experience something new. And I find that each one of these films gets better and better on another viewing when I did do a lot of reading about vertigo, most of the reviewers would say, like I didn't like this the first time I saw I fell in love at this later. I was even talking to one of my friends really talented director, and he said, yeah, I watch it once and didn't really pay any mind, and then I saw it again. What's genius? And I think we watching it and knowing where it's going and seeing where the beets are you? I love Coen brothers films. But I love them more on the second third viewing. And I feel that way with Kubrick films as well. And I think that's why a list like this is important because I think there's a lot of films that people might feel this way about, but they don't wash them second or third or fourth time. And that's why what we're doing is really interesting to me because it's like, well, what are we saying? You have to give another shot to this is one that I think people sort of willed themselves, I think even now I find myself willing myself to figure out why I like this film or. Why this film matters are? But I bet you there's a Simpson's nearest there is one of the main things of the Simpsons does do like a recurring visual sight, gag of the tower, which is, of course, really hard to show up in LA podcasting. But so what I fold is from an episode called Homer, loves Flanders it. What happens here is, you know, Homer, decides he's going to try to be friends with Flanders because Flanders always trying to be friends with him. Homer, gets a little bit obsessed with Flanders Flanders starts to have a breakdown in this scene picture, it, it takes place inside the vertigo clock tower picked it 'cause you get to your the madness going along with the visual. Here's homey, bears cover to her home. What's the matter net? I think I hate Homer Simpson. Like INCE hate. Ted coble. No wait. I find him informative in witty night. Wait a second. Is that more of a? I mean that's more of that shooter from the belt, the, it's a little bit UT shooter from the early nineties before we had our pickup shooters. Yeah. But it did other staircase. And it seems like the waking up from the dreams actually almost as close as I could do besides just visual stuff. Interesting. Just put a button on this Abell tower that they shot the, you know, the pivotal scene of this film in the climax, and the and the end was totally constructed using scale, models met paintings and trick photography because the original Cocteau are burnt down. And so they had no choice but to kind of do all these tricks to create that really kind of amazing set and you don't see that much, but you see a lot of glimpses tight close ups in that world. And I think in a way it makes it more confining a little bit more scary as well. And interestingly enough that view down the mission. Stairw-. Well seen cost nineteen thousand dollars for just a couple of seconds because I was such a complicated shot. So, you know, you would think first of all, I find a practical application, though, this is so heavily manufactured in a way. It goes to again show, his artistry in his specificity that it doesn't feel manufactured doesn't feel SETI this movie really transitions beautifully between sets relocations in a very seamless way. And in a way, that's kind of surprising. I think it's so weird is like this realism that you kind of see from Hitchin like wine to be a real locations. Yeah. He was actually using real people for a lot of this stuff like win win. Kim Novak Costa museum guards like. Yeah. Disappointing of Carolina. That's actually the real museum guard. Oh, you're looking around, like Ernie's in the shots were like Kim Novak is coming up to him in the, the people who are working at Ernie's are actually, like the owner of Ernie's end the food that all the extras are eating is actually. Food from Ernie's. He got like weirdly realistic about the strangest things in here. I love that, by the way, he also got very meticulous about a lot of the talked about that scene where she's staring at the portrait and the and the palace. That scene was a week to shoot that little little scene because he wanted the lighting to be just exactly right. I love that kind of crazy genius. Not a fun set to be on. But looks really makes it all. That much better. When you watch it. I think we talked about where it belongs enlist. If it belongs unless I think we both agree it does the top of the list. No. I mean I what do you think about the placement right now I think the placeman right now is us culture working something out number nine on the list. It's is a movie that is being pulled up and there's movies that are being pulled down. I, I think that, that Evan foes, were we want on the list, you know, maybe the list and in two thousand seven you know, this is at number nine, and then, you know, maybe it moves all the way up to number three but then another film the. In the top ten goes down to fifty. You know, I think we want this to be reflective of the generation, which it comes out in. So I think that kind of movement and not getting stayed is just a sign that this list is working in a good way. I kinda wanna treat vertigo and it's placed on this list, almost like when you tag like a wildcat near like a tag, this Puma, you're sort of watch for the Puma goes, either sort of learn a lot about who we are, what were thinking are terrain are mental terrain of landscape by just sort of following this one Puma. This is like one to track. I like it want to track. So next week is another very special episode for me in Paul. It is our look back at the top fifty where we're going to just besides going over the top fifty list and also seeing what our Facebook group had as their top fifty films in order pawn. We're gonna give out a couple of our own awards. Our own little many Oscars for the films that we've looked at this year. And also we want to hear from you guys. Wanna hear a couple of different things. What if the things I would really love to hear it says, we've all kind of gone on this journey together through half of the list, I'd love to hear from you. That is just like what's the number one film that just surprised you that you were like. Wow. I'm so that I watched that I'm so glad I realized that I keep thinking about that movie this year. I am so glad that this was on part of our list. I'd love to hear about that. And also, I look for you guys to give me a mash up elevator pitch it, what I mean by that is, like, pick a character from one of these films, pick a setting from another one of the films and just be like, oh, man. Here's my version of. A movie that I would make mashing up these two things together for me. Kathy Bates is unthinkable. Molly Brown from Titanic in the treasure serum Andre I wanna watch she could fuck some shit up over there. I like Kathy Bates. That's my elevator pitch. Gimme your elevator pitch. And as always, you're gonna make these two phone calls for your number one from this rally on your rain and your elevator pitch to seven four seven six six six five eight two four seven four seven six six five eight two four. Cannot wait to talk about all of this with y'all have. I want to give a big shot or any think you once again to our sponsor for this episode of unschooled touro the peer to peer car sharing marketplace for you can book any car. 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