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"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

04:03 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"Did you get any pushback, or did you ever get contacted by any of these different industries that you're covering and we concerned at all about that while you're writing these things, you kind of exposing kind of exposing, but I actually you know it's funny I thought about. Should I beat trying to interview people? For All of these and I really didn't I tried. I called F Corporation, which still exists the company that made leaded paint. I, mean not let me let a gas. They ended up moving onto other products they while they sold overseas for a long time, but then they also made a lot of other things, so they still exist, even though their product was banned their only product at the time that they were started was banned in this country, and I called them up, and said so I'm reading this book about corporate denial, and just wondering. You know if you'd like shocked me about later games. and. Just, your silence on the other side of Thorn, and then they were transfer me to somebody else. I would try it again and get silence and. You know then we get disconnected and it became pretty clear to me the beginning that. I! Really it wasn't going to be all that helpful for me to say to ask people, so tell me about what you're in denial of because that that I didn't think that was going to work very well, and and also because my focus was the public debate in. How did it affect society? That's what I ended up focusing on the most. So you know I I wasn't worried about the industry's as I was reading this. I'm a little worried now, but I mean really I'm just quoting them so this point. I don't feel like I'm. Particular risk well just. I mean not even risk but that. W- has there been a reaction by these these interests because their whole thing is about denial right so I would imagine you book. Put out a book about Industrial Strength Denial. You'd get some denial about about. Denying. That may be, but the you know I've picked such big industries in these campaigns are so old that there's nothing particularly newsworthy about saying that you know tobacco companies use. That smoking caused cancer or that. The fossil fuel industry raised all kinds of doubts and denied climate change. was there any controversy about the subject matter in the the topics? Were there any ones that you considered not adding Oh sure? I mean I I was very nervous about slavery, because it is just such an emotionally searing topic and. Because I. Didn't you know I? These are all? Examples of denial. They're all very destructive, but I. I don't want to draw a direct moral equivalency between selling human beings were the the harm so immediate and obvious and selling these other products. I mean it is a different sort of situation. So that was an issue for me, but the denials were so. Fascinating and appalling and revealing that I ended up deciding to include it I was nervous about doing the financial chapter just because that took me out of my comfort zone, and and forced me to learn about collateralized debt obligations and things like that but again that turned out to be such a fascinating topic that I I'm very glad I ended up researching and writing about it. Well listen I'm glad you wrote this book and like I said. This is a subject that's always been bizarrely fascinating and compelling to me since merchants of doubt. And I just think it's just it is such a weird aspect of human beings, just the power of corporation, the deniability. What what what they're able to do, and how they're able to continue doing it. It's very strange so I'm very happy that you wrote this book. Thank you and it was great. Talk to you. It's great talking to you. do you have social media or anything that you'd like? Oh? Yeah Pruitt a lead. I am I have a website. BARBARA FREEZE DOT COM so. I know my kids are GonNa. That's good good. Don't you don't need to go to my website you can. You can just Google the title, and if you're interested in the book you'll, you'll find it. Thank.

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"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

06:41 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"Efforts were done if any to regenerate ozone? just cut the emissions. Of Anything I, don't know that. Yeah, it's funny I I've not heard anybody talk about that, but we always known that the CFC's take decades to get up to the atmosphere so stopping emissions. Meant that the old stuff was still going up there, and it was going to take decades to fix it. We do seem to have signs of healing now of the ozone layer, so it does seem like we have solved. Well. Solve this we have. We have stopped harm and it's going to get better through natural circumstances, but you know. I was talking about how. People don't let us celebrate that as humanity at its best, you know because we really did something very hard in in the sense of figuring out the science, getting the nations of the world together and getting rid of a product that had been really useful and valuable to us, but what happened immediately after that was this political backlash even when you had the chemical industry saying Yep, we're destroying the ozone layer. We're going to stop doing that. You had these right wing groups. Fred Singer actually was one of the witnesses was also in merchants of doubt. who goes and he gets to testify before Congress, he's a scientist and he's saying that the mainstream science on which you have just based all of these decisions. You're being bamboozled, and they have an anti-capitalist agenda, and you had then I think it. Was Tom delay saying he doesn't listen to the ozone trends panel. All of those you know hundreds of scientists who've hammered out the data on these issues. He listens to Fritz Singer and that was sort of the beginning well, not the beginning because you could take back to the eighties, but that was the next step. In the rise of these science, deniers who sort of had this all purpose agenda looked at lots of different industries and the funny thing was here. You know you the, industry? Saying. No we we're, we're fine with this accelerating the phase hour. We're going to go ahead and do it so. The way I think about it. Is that industry for a long time? fueled doubt and to some extent, they also then funded groups with an ideological agenda who continue to push that doubt. And some of those industries stopped denying the science, maybe because they were going to get sued, or maybe because it was just time. But the groups that they have funded. Now outflanked them on the issue and for example Exxon. Used to fund Exxon Mobil used to fund this little. Crazy, little group called the heartland institute. and. They stopped doing that. Quite long time ago, this institute kept just getting more and more extreme on this issue, and recently they had a dispute between Exxon Mobil Hartland Institute. Leader called Exxon Mobil part of the anti energy global warming movement. That's hilarious. Yeah, so you know there things are. Weird. Right out of super weird called Super Exxon part of an anti energy global warming movement. Now it's possible that this was all kind of stage to make Exxon. Look good, but I think they have just created a monster, and that monster is going to keep going around out there and it keeps getting a lot of money. The problem is it, doesn't we don't necessarily know who's funding these groups. Groups anymore for longtime Exxon funded a lot of climate denier groups. They got a lot of public pushback and pressure. They stopped funding the most extreme ones, not all of them. Then the coke brothers started funding. Their Foundation started funding a lot of these groups. They got a lot of attention. Then we saw a lot of the funding of these groups going underground into these dark money organizations like. That promise anonymity so that if you want to fund a politically sensitive issue, nobody knows you've done it so these. The more extreme groups get a lot of money from. These dark money organizations, and therefore there's even deeper anonymity, and and no accountability that some four D. of Exxon was doing the. They're sitting there. Going look I know what we. Got Someone to call us a bunch of hippies. I I suspect that it wasn't that. I think they really have just created a monster here really would be brilliant if it was true. Well I think that some of this is true that you I mean. Here's the thing if you're Exxon and you don't actually want to do anything. You Spin off the denial into other groups that will actually stop things. I mean this little group heartland I mean the the this extreme edge of these advocacy groups they are. Deeply involved in the trump administration I mean they. It's not like they're just out there. Howling, the Wilderness have had enormous influence so if you can back off like like Exxon especially Exxon especially if you're being sued and you've got angry shareholders, and you've got the SEC you have a lot of reasons. An have angry European countries that are taking this more seriously in your. Your multinational you have a lot of reason to kind of keep your mouth shut, and maybe say the right things, but you can indeed still benefit from the denial. You have spun off into the world that is in fact, say rolling back the fuel efficiency standards. I don't know what Exxon. Mobil has said about that, but clearly the more inefficient cars. The more oil gets burned. Are Their tactics and is. Is there like a school of thought that goes along with this? These strategies like is this taught in universities is their places where they learn this stuff because you would think that it's very valuable, and it's often very sophisticated to actually manipulate tonight. Is this something that gets taught once they get into this corporation as internal thing or is it? Is it just a natural factor in the way? Human beings react to profitability and. Responsibility I think it certainly starts there with with it being a natural reaction, but I think then what happens. Industries learned from the previous industry. tobacco taught everybody how to do this. certainly everybody in the modern era, and then, of course you do have this. This industry of groups that serve multiple industries if you can be a group that sets up front groups. And I quote one here. Man named Rick Berman. WHO has a company that sets up front groups for industries that are facing regulation, and he promises them complete anonymity, and the irony here is that he was, he was talking to a group of oil and gas executives, and saying hey, we can give you complete anonymity in some saying things like well. You know you're telling us. We should really be attacking people's character and reducing.

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"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

08:32 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"It's kind of hilarious but. These kids are engaging even more in social media and less in hang out with each other. It's really like a perfect recipe for distorted in confused aside and scary, it is and again it's a new thing so the regulations that are in place. They're just. There's really nothing to prevent people from using it to manipulate things right. It's not illegal, and it will take a long time before we get those in place. And also BEF- might be too late. You know before recognize the repercussions. FACEBOOK's talked about making their own money. They're talking about making their own bitcoin type crypto currency I mean that takes place mean they're already manipulating things in some really weird ways. If they start having their own money on top of that, and then they can manipulate their own individual economy. Like what does that look like? No one even considered known considered crypto currency twenty years ago, no one considered the impact of social media ten years ago. What are we going to be looking at thirty years from now? Yeah, that's a really good question. I mean you know our failure of imagination goes both ways we we don't tend to imagine the problems that are going to result from the technologies and the new industries. We also. Hardly ever imagine how we will solve those problems we hardly ever if you look at any kind of speculative fiction movies or or comic books. I mean you. You don't see progress. You don't see people getting together figuring out a problem hammering out of solution putting it in place that sort I mean, because, of course it's boring. Cinematic, yeah, just. It's all deeply disturbed and terminator. It's kind of interesting. If you compare that to much older science fiction that that has a much more positive perspective off, not always, but at least there was often something that was positive, although I have to say, a lot of that is is stuff that was actually put together by corporations who are showing you the home of the future, and all their marvelous appliances, and those fools were hopeful they were they were up and we want to encourage hope. We just wanted to be realistic and focused and driven home most certainly. The ozone layer's interesting subject. You cover because that doesn't get discussed anymore, but I've been Australia, and you go outside and burst into flames There's everywhere you go Australia. There's these billboards for skin cancer. It's really it was re released. It was last year which was over ten years ago, but it's really strange. There's these billboards everywhere that show tumors and show you know people that have skin cancer and talk to you about the damages, the dangers of Sun. William giant hole. Like Australia, yeah, they're. They're close enough to the ozone hole or. Partially under. The. hairspray! Exactly. Yeah. I mean it's. It is amazing how that story does seem to have been forgotten threat and the fact. Of of the success I mean we caused this huge problem We discovered this huge problem which we need I mean that was kind of serendipitous. And yes, the industry denied it and just kind of came in two chapters I. It was all industry saying. This is an attack on free enterprise. Probably the KGB is behind it. I mean what else. Is. There was one Aerosol company president who suspected it was the KGB but but many industry leaders were talking about this being as an anti-capitalist crusade, and partly because this was the seventies, so they already faced. All, of these demanding environmentalists, saying take the lead out of the gasoline, and do all kinds of other things, and so they were starting to feel like attacked on all sides and and eventually you know so. There was some denial. They're mostly political. Eventually, that got handled well, I shouldn't say eventually. It got handled relatively quickly, because actually not only ninety seventy six when they said okay. We're getting this stuff out of the hairspray out of the. We don't need this inspiration hands. That was in the spring dot. Chlorofluorocarbons CFC's which were invented. Ironically by the same guy who invented leaded gasoline at GM, boy invented both of these documents name. His name is Thomas Midgely Yeah, and he left quite a mark. On the world, but but here's the thing I mean I blame him for putting leading gasoline that was terrible, but inventing CFC's was actually done because it was replacing a poisonous gases that were been in refrigerators. And they would sometimes leak and kill people, so people were just transitioning now from iceboxes, two fridges, and and so they needed a non toxic gas to put in there, so he came up with this, and it was nontoxic, and so you know at the time. Nobody really even knew much about the ozone layer, and they certainly didn't know. See if we're GONNA wreck it so much much less obvious risk and then it wasn't in until the seventies then scientists who who were just sort of curious. Put this altogether and realized. Oh, we are wrecking the Ozone Layer and by seventy six I think it was seventy six. the Ford Administration, said okay. We're getting it out of the CAN. You got a couple of years and this industry aerosol industry who had been screaming and yelling about? anti-capitalists! Said Okay I mean it wasn't was not that big a deal. It was easy for them to do and then then I. Guess we were in the Carter Administration. They were going to start looking at the harder problem of. How do you replace CFC's in refrigerators and air conditioners, and they were putting up a plan for that, but then Reagan got elected, and then in the concerns of the sixties and seventies about. How we protect the environment. Were replaced by concerns about how do we? Avoid environmental regulations because they they were. They felt it was hurting business, and so they basically dropped the ball on this completely and the corporations like Pont, which was the top CFC maker. They had been working on substitutes, but once the the pressure of regulation went away. They just dropped it. They didn't keep looking for substitutes. Even though they had the the same science telling them that there was a risk here, but they decided. We're not going to have to worry about it. Ben Eventually the ozone holes discovered and scientists are shocked because the models had predicted. A gradual reduction ozone, and suddenly you've got this deep reduction in ozone covers like. This huge space over Antarctica. One of the reasons NASA had not discovered this with their satellites. Was that they? Were expecting so much less that they had apparently programmed computers to read huge readings like this as instrument error. It was actually the British. Who discovered this? They they did it. The old fashioned way going down to Antarctica like measuring things, so anyway announced it the NASA looked back and said whoops, right, huge ozone hole, then everything kind of accelerated, and and by eighty seven we had the Montreal Protocol and even though Reagan had run on this anti-regulatory platform. He signed the Montreal Protocol. Protocol Senate ratified it I. Don't think there are any dissenting votes So you know that was a big success story? And by the way by the time things really were winding down. Even Dupont said okay. Yeah, that there's enough science here. We're GONNA stop making our product. And so it's sort of the one example. I can point to where science and evidence overcame denial. But. It's an example where the product wasn't their core product, a little sliver of revenue. That wasn't that lucrative. They could replace it with something that they could sell and they were gonNA clearly regulated anyway so so clearly the you know. The benefits of continued denial had sort of disappeared and. So, you can't count on evidence. Leading to the end of corporate denial more typically, you have a situation like tobacco and fossil fuels where. Even, if it does lead to denial, doesn't. Don't stop selling the product right so. And again, obviously, oil companies can't just stop selling their product, but they can be part of a process for us all to figure out how we're going to replace it as quickly as possible. What efforts were done if any to regenerate ozone? just cut the emissions. Of Anything I, don't know that..

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"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

08:07 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"Then he went into industry, and then he was kind of a snake oil salesman, and he kinda failed, but he wanted with radium. He told Congress to cure cancer. You've had a good motive. But he also wanted to big market. Right Cancer. You know just when disease and if you use the radium. That's not a market, so he was determined to expand that market. He actually opened what what was called the first free radium clinic in the world in nineteen thirteen. Pittsburgh? And he invited patients in higher doctors, and thousands of them were injected with radium, or they drank radium, so if you can somehow prove that consuming radium is healthy, then you have a market right in many of these people did have cancer, but it turns out that that injecting them with radium would actually kill them. Than the cancer would have and. One of the clinic doctors was was questioned before Congress and he explained well. The way he looked at it. He was just shoving them over a little more quickly. So? He wasn't worried about the fact that he was killing the cancer patients. And they weren't just treating cancer patients. They were treating anybody. They were treating arthritis. They were treating. Joint pain the and so they were. Giving this very toxic substance to people with low level, chronic problems, and then he would he he actually formed his own Medical Journal and he would have his doctors right up the results of this and put it in there and send it out to all the doctors. so yeah I mean it was really pretty crazy, but he did succeed in launching this health fad where suddenly there were lots of products that contain radium now some of them they did, but didn't, but but many of them really did and you could buy your radium. Get your rate in all kinds of different ways. If you wanted to radio after active drink, you could drink it. You could still get injected. You could take pills. You could. If you want to soak in radium, you could buy bath salts appointments. There was radio. There was radium toothpaste. Oh yeah, and and and and one of the more interesting ones. There were a radioactive rectal suppositories. And these were marketed basically for male sexual dysfunction. That's not what they called it. They. They said this was four as I recall week, dister discouraged men who wanted to perform the duties of a real man. So yeah, and that was. You know I think what happens if you're if you're going Selah quack product, you try to identify problems that people are kind of embarrassed about so they're less likely to go to their doctor by it out of the back of a magazine, and then if it doesn't work, they're not gonNA complain about it. They're not going to sue you. so and but these were not just marketed. Marketed for that, they were marketed for colds. They were marketed for obesity for constipation for insanity. That was a big one trying to cure insanity, so yeah, it becomes a health fad How long does go on for well? It pretty much fizzled out in the thirty s largely, because one particularly prominent and wealthy individual could afford to poison himself very thoroughly by drinking these radium drinks every day and ultimately his. His facial bones started to dissolve. Aloud, he had like holes between the sinuses and his mouth. This is actually what happened as well to a group of workers who were painting radium paint onto watch dials, which is actually a more. Well known part of this history. Lot of young women were hired to paint radium onto watch dials, not just watched AL's. They put them. All kinds of. These images Oh. You could see it up called radium jaw. John. This. Look at that. One Guy was lower jaws is gone on the second row. So this. Oh my God. Yes old radium! This went on for twenty years. Well yes, I mean the the industry got going in the mid nineteen teens. This this one man I was just talking about died in early thirties got lots of press and that help the health fad part of a go away. The the worker exposure of the young women usually who were. Disfigured and died from from this that part of the industry of of radioactive paint lasted a bit longer into the thirty s they the when they began, they taught these women young women. They might have been fifteen when they got hired. They taught them to make a nice sharp point on their paintbrush with lips and tongue. And because there was this health fat around freedom, they told them that this would would put a glow in their cheeks, and you've seen these pictures that they really. Had some some change in their cheeks, but it wasn't a glow and it. They told them it was good for them. and so a lot of them, not all of them I. Mean so you know not. Everybody died, which made it easier for the industry to actually blame them and later industry would say that these people with these horrendous disfiguring diseases. That they were suffering from pre existing condition that this was somehow not the fault of radium that they had hired. Cripples and other people who who weren't strong, because this was easy work. And when they got sick, everybody blamed them, and they were being punished for their generosity of hiring this folks in the first place, and by the way these women had radioactive breath at this point. I mean so. It's not like there was any doubt that they had rating lodged in there. What is radioactive breath? Exhaling Radon. So, this was measurable. Oh Cleveland, even by the standards of the time. Oh! My God now now one thing about the radium industries denials like that blaming the victim are appalling, but one of the things that we did see is that the leaders of that industry including the guy who invented that radioactive paint and including Joseph Flannery? died and and certainly the the direct. The inventor of the paint died because of radium exposure. His teeth had fallen out. According to Time magazine, his fingers had been removed, and nobody else covered that particularly gruesome detail, but then he died of anemia. These are all radium induced ailments, Joseph Flannery, the guy who launched standard chemical well, he had this great idea that he had all this radioactive waste right, so he hired a botanist to find out if it could be a fertilizer, and then they published a report that you should yeah spread radioactive waste on your food crops because it's great. he actually had him spread waste on his own garden and then six years later, flannery died, and the industry didn't mention this, but his birth certificate which I managed to dig up mention that he had a contributing factor in his death of anemia. is something that radium exposure causes death certificate, which I'm sorry, yes. Right his deaths are thank you so yeah. He had a anemia and if he believed his own clinic, own his own sales pitch, he probably drank more radium to treat his rene me. So? He did die so so in these two characters. At least we have people believing what they said enough to actually kill themselves as well as other people, so it seems again this is there's human characteristic that this tendency. We start making money. Start justifying. You want to keep that money coming in, so you start justifying your actions manipulating the facts and just continuing to push out whatever it is that you're doing. That's allowing you to earn this profit. Yeah, well, and you know one of the reasons I talk about Joe Flannery is that he's he's A. I think a really good example of a certain kind of person that we celebrate..

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The Joe Rogan Experience

06:58 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"How did that happen? And how do we make sure that never happens again and I would be able to say look. Here's some factors that have contributed to this throughout history, and and here's you know. Maybe this will lead to some reforms, and obviously didn't work out that way. This book has come out when we have a climate denier running the country. Climate tonight. He has called it a hoax several times now I think maybe he's been talked out of using that term lately, but he still pushing back the regulations and really trying to. Change a hoax I, he's said that several times and I know at least in one one tweet, maybe more eight Chinese hoax that China was trying to to perpetrate on us, so so in any event you know. I I wrote an infuriating book I didn't mean to. I meant to write a kind of. Let's all step back and look at this book. But it just turns out. You cannot write about infuriating topics without writing kind of infuriating book I do try to keep some perspective here and and you know look at. Look at the good parts of this history, which is to say in each case you have members of the public you have scientists who have journalists you have movement stepping up and confronting that denial, and eventually, in most cases overcoming it and you know we do have other segments of our society that are designed to try to. Not just pursue profit, but to seek truth that scientists and journalists and that doesn't mean they're not also trying to sue profit sometimes or at least get paid for for their work, but. We do have systems in place that have successfully. This and so it's not like we're starting from scratch. We are just in a very big hole right now. An particularly about climate change, and particularly with so much corporate power over Congress and and frankly the states as well what? What subjects were have? Were you see there's actually progress been made? Well you know people have been fighting climate change on the state level, and we have done some things also federally for a long time over the years. I mean many many states have put in place. Climate targets to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. Many have put in place when you will energy standards which have been enormously successful in building up. The wind industry, the solar industry, and those technologies as they deploy improve have gotten so much cheaper. I mean. It's really much much easier now to imagine getting rid of fossil fuels than it was. You know forty years ago when? The industry. I confronted this or win society. I, really started looking at this. And the federal level. They've made major improvements in They've required efficiency standards which have been really helpful. For like major appliances, we had auto efficiency standards. Now Obama put some strong winds in place. Trump has ruled those back again. So that's going to limit the the progress exactly when it needs to be accelerated, so that's that's maybe not one of the good good pieces of news. You were asking about We have. Well I mean I think that's going to be largely focus, and and and even though we have trump is said we're not going to be part of the Paris agreement anymore, which by the way every other country in the world is a part of there's a handful that hadn't ratified it, but everybody else is part of it even though he said that you have many states, and in many cities stepping forward and saying well, we are still part of it, and we are going to be working to reduce our mission, so you know that's all very good news. The technology that we do have a deep bench of policy experience. We know a lot of good things that we can do. That will work and. We have the rising concern that youth movement. You know all around the world really that who are who are really stepping up and say. Enough! We have got to deal with this and we've got to deal with it now, and because you grownups of wasted thirty years. We've got to deal with it particularly aggressively. No you cover how many different subjects in this book I cover eight different campaigns of denial. It seems like for you. In particular climate change is the most disturbing, or that's well. That's the one that threatened the future of human civilization. And the one that I got started on. Yeah, but but yeah cover cover seven other industries including slavery radium radium radium was. Industrial Strength. Denial take on radium radium radium is a crazy crazy story. radium is insanely radioactive element. That was discovered. You know around. Just, a right right one, thousand, nine, hundred by the curies and France. And it was a mystery I mean it was way more radioactive than uranium and people didn't even know what radioactivity really meant, but there was a sort of aura of wizardry around it, and and when they discovered it, they didn't. Well the first thing they discovered, and they discovered this the hard way was that it burned your flesh. It didn't hit right away, but you carry some around and then in a few days you would have burn there. Because it was sending off all of this energy, so they thought okay. We have this flesh killing cell killing element. What can we do with it? And they thought well. Let's try to kill. Cancer Tumors, which was actually a very good idea and they experimented with that. That was the the medical use for radium. We're going to put this radium next to a tumor. Then we'll take it away and it'll shrink, and we can use the same radium for the next tumor, and so it was a very efficient what form radioman! They would put it that well, if somehow would refine it and distill it into tiny tiny little amounts, and then they would put it in a needle, or put it in a vial or something, and just position it. Near a tumor it started out as or and they had to refine it refined it down down down down down. and so the the government's at the time in Europe, and and also in the US thought great. Here's this weird crazy valuable stuff. Maybe we should control this or so we make sure it gets used to actually cure cancer and and in Europe. That's pretty much what they did in the US. We try to do that, but. The industry there was a brand new industry that was just forming. And they step forward. The the first company was called Standard Chemical. They stepped forward, and said no, no, no, no, no I, if if the government starts taking over radium, because it's radioactive, radium or well, everything's a little radioactive. Where will this stop was classic? Sort of slippery slope argument. Somehow it it succeeded, and so what happened was this mysterious and potent element became a another commercial project commercial product to be exploited by this this company standard chemical. There were some others that later popped up. Standard Chemical was founded by this guy named Joe. Flannery and he was, he had background as. His family were morticians..

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The Joe Rogan Experience

09:18 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"It's a completely addictive mechanism. Really is people are lost in their phones and lost in their computers when they're checking their social media stuff, and that's one of the war, interesting things about these social media algorithms that it's been determined that when people are upset about things when they're angry about things, they post more, so it's more valuable, so the algorithms favor people being upset, so they'll send you if you if you find abortion, hot topic or environmental issues. They'll start sending you those. That's what's GonNa. Show up on your feet. You're GONNA get more. The is what you engaging. And it's fascinating. Is it's it's not even really. Malicious in that it's just pragmatic because I have a friend who did an experiment, my friend. Ari wanted to find out what would happen if he just looked up puppies. So he just looked up puppies on Youtube and looked up puppies everywhere in his feed overwhelmed by puppies, so it's not like this some vicious plot to only feed you things that you hate just human nature. We tend to look things that piss off. It was joey. And so now we have a very sophisticated machine to drive us in the direction of getting more pissed up, and that's a fisted machine is clearly using the same sort of deceptive deceptive tactics to try to diminish their responsibility for what they're doing. Yeah, exactly and you know when one of the things that makes these tactics I think work so well is that they really are based. In human nature I think that if you are an executive. you know your your instinct is that you are doing fine, and your instinct is that the other side is wrong in that, and that psychological reflex than you know, become a foundation for a corporate strategy, and then that corporate strategy becomes the basis of kind of its own new industry of of Public Relations, folks and advertising people in lawyers, and and think tanks who will promote that, and then that becomes an ideology. That's certainly what we saw the progression for climate, change and I, and I think or climate denial. and that's a dangerous trend. Do you co- you do covers social media, and in this I don't really get into it. I mean I talk a little bit about Yeah, no, it's really not a factor. I mean the more the most recent industry that I talk about the two most recent industries are the fossil fuels denying climate change, and also Wall Street denying the the The. Products and activities and and hazards that led up to the financial crisis of two thousand eight. That's A. Can of worms in and of itself right? You Read Mattei. Read some of his work. Yeah, he's vampire squid. Clamp to the face of humanity. Yeah, that's immortal lines, so his description of Goldman Sachs his work is fascinating and terrifying on. You and he's not a guy with a financial background, so he had to do a deep dive into the all that stuff for years. It's sort of get a grip on how they do things what they're doing. And the the idea that that is the backbone of our civilization can terms. Our economic civilization is. CRAZY WHAT A goofy system! Yeah, and and of course that industry has become. so much bigger as a percentage of GDP and so much more powerful without any evidence, social benefits as far as I can see and. I'm also not a person with a financial background came to this. You know as an environmental lawyer, and not as a particularly naive person, but I have to say I was really astonished at at the depth of the exploitation. I mean just the attitude. It wasn't even like where we think we're trying to do the right thing for our clients or are. We think we're trying to do the? The right thing for you know society it was. It was just this full-on. Take the money and run and and exploitation. I mean there's they have this cute little code on Wall Street that was prominent before the crisis I hope it's not so prominent now it's I. B G Y B G which stands for I'll be gone. You'll be gone. which was the answer when somebody said? Wait a minute were pumping all this risk into the system. This investment products going to fail. This is all gonna hit the fan. This is all going to collapse. I B G Y BG and ends bonuses for selling these crazy risky products We're all frontloaded, so you sell somebody a year product and you get the bonus. Right up front, so you don't care with the long term. Risk is and the attitude toward their clients. In there, there's A. An author in Britain. Who Interviewed? All kinds of people in promise them anonymity from the British. The British financial industry, but it overlaps very much with the US one and the the culture was hey, rip your Clinton's face off. You know you eat lunch or you? be lunch, and I mean a lot of really really vicious stuff going on and. Risks, that? Y- were were so obvious that you can't believe that. They were denying them I mean obviously. When there's a housing bubble, it will burst and there was an obvious housing bubble. It was denied for long long time, and that ultimately became the basis of all of this really toxic debt got magically transformed into AAA investments, and it wasn't I think that the industry was denying that it was going to burst. They just felt they were going to get in and out before it bursts that they get past the risk off to the next party before it happened so I don't know. Do we call that? rationalization is that I mean it's I put it all under the very broad category of denial but It actually the head of J. P.. Morgan later would testify to the financial crisis inquiry. Commission somehow you know. We just missed the fact that housing prices don't go up forever. I don't think they really did miss. That really said that were that what? Said, yeah I. I may have order to off but That's actually what he said I suspect. He regretted. Phrasing it that way because. That's pretty astonishing. How many IB G. Y. BG tattoos are out there. It's a good question. Is probably a lot right disturbing? There's probably a lot. You know. There's one actually one anecdote. In the book that I retold from a book that Mike Hudson wrote called the monster, and he's talking about first of all they we had this new breed of mortgage lenders, the folks who actually went out to sell the subprime subprime mortgages to the low income people who were often defrauded and certainly not the most sophisticated financial consumers, and this one particularly bad company. was without their. Lehman Brothers sent a vice president to visit with this company because he wanted to know how they were doing this was I think in in the Ninety S, and he writes back and says. That this is a sweatshop. It is high pressure sales for people in a weak state, and it is a check your ethics at the door kind of business. And Lehman Brothers writes back, and says we enthusiastically welcomed the opportunity to partner in your future growth, and ended up in fact, partnering with them and financing these these mortgages, and then buying them packaging them up selling them to investors, and then of course, eventually becoming the biggest bankruptcy in history. And getting bailed out well, not Lehman. Brothers three other ones didn't right. That's what it crazy. Just sorta laid it out like that. Well. Yeah, this is a internal stuff that that came out, but yeah the the fact that they they were. So happy to to partner with an unethical business, and in fact there's also a lot of evidence. That Wall Street was just continuing to get the mortgage lenders to reduce their standards even lower because you know you start out with these very very aggressive new companies. These weren't banks were lending companies, and they were new, and they wanted to get huge very quick, and they were super aggressive, but they made so much money that the more traditional banks started following and doing what they had been doing, and so all street gets involved in, and basically they're saying. You don't need tation of income and you know the the banker would say the lender would say well. How do I know they're going to pay it back and Wall Street would say you don't need to worry about that and in fact, they didn't because Wall Street would buy it The the point wasn't will ever be paid back. The point was is the is the interest rate on the surface of the mortgage high enough that we can package it into what looks like a lucrative investment and of course package, lots and lots of these together and then slice dyson and stack them and. Keep rearranging them and and essentially then. Threatened and corrupted the and manipulated the ratings agencies so that they would give them aaa ratings so that your pension fund could buy it..

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The Joe Rogan Experience

05:53 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"Certainly you see with younger Republicans. A lot more concern about climate change, but. You're absolutely right. I mean it remains very polarized, and I don't think you can understand it. You know it's not in I I don't think it makes sense from ideological standpoint I think it makes sense from a tribal stand my we have divided, and and it feels good to believe the same things as the people you are affiliated, and it's tense to to not believe the same things and you saw. That's a source of hardship, and you know the reason. It's such A. A big problem here is that this isn't just about making the world better for our grandkids. It's about avoiding catastrophes for our grandkids and so that's why you know. Eight is finally rising to the surface within the Democratic Party. I mean it's been ignored or downplayed for too long, and certainly in the national campaigns it was never perceived to be important, enough or winning enough issue to get a lot of attention now we see largely driven by the Youth Movement Insistence that yeah, it's. It's time absolutely time. It's thirty years pastime that we get very aggressive about this, and and so I don't know what happens now with with covert with George Floyd. Obviously there are other issues dominating the news right now, but I really hope we hang onto this issue as critical one for the election, and and don't stop there because this is going to continue to require lots of pressure to make sure that we. We make the changes we need. Yeah I don't think it's going to go away I. Think, but the other issues do come to the forefront, but what what you said I think is really interesting is that it gives you comfort to agree with other people that are in your party and your group, and that's something that is exacerbated by social media and manipulated by social media, and it's one of the weird things about it is. A Corporation could legally. Create hundreds, if not thousands of fake pages and then use those to make. Sure, you're wherever the Internet research agency from Russia that had an impact on two thousand sixteen elections and. Rene Duress to did some pretty fascinating work on that where she did a deep dive into how these accounts whether it's facebook or Instagram, or what have you been manipulated and how the how they use them? Where the in one point? They had a pro Texas group meet up. At the exact same time as a pro Muslim group on the exact same block like they manipulated it like there was no child's play. Exactly it was like they were moving pieces on a chessboard and they they'd literally set up altercations and you would imagine that. I mean I. Don't know what these fossil fuel companies or or any kind of company that's involved in any some anything that would be. Considered sketchy environmentally. I don't know how many manipulating sites they run or manipulative social media accounts. They run, but I would imagine that's got to be part of the game plan. Because online discourse, it's so easy to throw monkey wrenches into the gears, his three thro- sand into the gas tank. It's so easy to sorta monkey with the the numbers and change the ideas that are being discussed and change the narratives that it's. It's A. It's just a way that you can sort of shift the public's interests and opinions on things I mean if you're willing to lie and manipulate you act, you have a obviously a huge advantage, but there's also just the basic human tendency that when we talked people, we already agree with. We tend to then become stronger in our opinions, and so we we get polarized basically, and that's even before social media. Media, so then you sort of weaponize that polarization that tendency and you've got an algorithm that says well. If you like that video, how about this video and suddenly people are getting. You know totally radicalized. You know on on climate, change or on other issues and so yeah, I mean it is. It is a huge problem. How do we overcome the social divisions the social distrust? How do we overcome the denial? and you know I think if if the patterns in in the book come to the fore we will, society will find ways to build trust again. It'll probably have a lot to do with maintaining long-term accountability, and not just a flash reaction to what you hear, but it could very well take decades and. We will have a lot of damage done in the meantime. Wonder if there's going to be a time where there are laws against social media manipulation like that because right now they're not and there will be yeah. It seems like there has to be because if you see. I can't imagine I'm not naive enough to imagine that. What's happening with the Internet research agencies and that's not happening here. It has to be and they. They understand the effectiveness of it. It's been well documented. The idea that corporations are going to step back and go well. That's on our business assigned what we do. I mean that's an incredibly effective tool, and if you're GONNA use it to manipulate opinions on whether it's climate, change or anything, you don't pharmaceutical drug overdoses, whatever whatever it is that you want to manipulate people with. I would imagine that that's a gigantic issue, but. It's not something that really gets discussed in terms of in terms of passing legislation to prevent that stuff. Yeah, and hopefully it gets more and more disgust because it is very scary, it turns out we humans are easily manipulated and were easily manipulated even before social media, but now there is this incredibly sophisticated engine to drive us apart to drive us in the direction that those best at manipulating us want us to yes, and it's addictive, which is even crazier?.

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The Joe Rogan Experience

08:46 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"Fossil fuel use. That that's a simplification, but then you have to go for that more aggressive target, two zero net zero emissions by twenty fifty, so we're talking essentially about this huge industry, having to either completely transform itself or go away within thirty years, and then by the way after that, you have to go into negative emissions, which means building a new industry that sucks carbon out of the air and buries it. We haven't even really begun to talk about that, but but that's assumed what we're going to have to do. Because we have now delayed for thirty years, thanks in large part to fossil. Fossil fuel denial, so so you got Exxon saying yeah, we. We understand Paris and all that, but if you if you look at their own projections about what they think's going to happen, they put out these formal projections of how much oil will be consumed in the whole world and what our emissions are going to be. They still project emissions going up, and then sort of leveling off until twenty forty, by which time in fact they need to be very very low, so it's kind of like the tobacco companies. The Big Tobacco companies are no longer denying the basic facts, they admit. This product is addictive and a quote in the book from one executive saying. Yeah kills about half of our of our lifetime. Smoking customers are most loyal customers. So. But despite having four decades, said if we really believed this was harmful, we wouldn't sell it They're obviously continuing to sell it quite enthusiastically, and that's kind of where we are I. Think with the major oil companies, coal is still in denial at are still denying it, but but. The major oil company interesting yeah. The problem but they are still planning on selling more and more of their product, and and so that is sort of the kernel of denial that industry has yet to grapple with, but it right now at least temporarily inseparable in terms of our ability to move around disturbing goods meet kind of have to have oil to have to have gasoline petroleum products. You, you do a moment. Right them all, but you know. Fortunately we really do have the technologies to to. In fact, slash our emissions will don't have as political will, but you could I mean I. It is not impossible to say in ten years. We are going to have closed Certainly, all of our gas plants in our natural gas plants will either have carbon capture, or they will be closed. It's not impossible to say all of our cars. Certainly, all new cars are going to be electric and we're going. We can build an infrastructure that can be done. It is a massive undertaking. It is I mean when people talk about the green new deal. sometimes that rhetoric includes World War Two and I. think that's actually appropriate because we are talking about a massive change. That is going to transform our. Economy and at the same time hopefully address some of the qualities that we already have in place I mean that that's going. Make a trickier but most of the deals. Are for. Example very aware that we're GONNA be hurting coal miners. We're going to be hurting oil rig workers and trying to put in place some ways that that we can keep them from suffering. Help them find other jobs help their communities diversify and whatnot. So you know if if we are going to avoid what will be a multi century catastrophe in terms of climate change? This is what we have to do and and I. It's hard for me to even say the word catastrophe because I know how people here that I know it sounds like a crazy exaggeration. Do you really think those of this point? Well? I think it does to enough people that it was. Is it because of propaganda because it seems. Yeah, right. Hit Ten people that when they give you the worst projections the things that we should avoid. When I was talking about these oil executives still selling oil. Is that right now? They have to I. Mean I understand that there? There needs to be a shift and I'm absolutely in favor of that. But if there was no oil right now, they must cut it off crisis. Yeah, we have a real issue, right? We have a real issue I mean. Humanity has an issue and we shouldn't be thinking of it. As the oil companies issue or or the climate issue. It's you know it's a humanity issue. How are we going to deal with this and unfortunately? You know this isn't something capitalism. Is set up to deal with. That's about growth. It isn't about. How do we take this massive industrial enterprise wind it down and replace. This technology was something else. Is the solution finding some method of profiting off pulling carbon from the atmosphere? It seems like if if it becomes very effective to do that, that could be an enormous way that these companies can kind of shift. Yeah, well I'm not sure that these companies will shift. Someone could because they do have drilling, technology and whatnot, so they could end up being. Leaders in actually bearing the carbon that they once extracted and put into the atmosphere. That would be weird. One one of the things that's so weird about this whole debate for decades now is that. You, you've got folks talking about how incredibly terrific markets are and how they can handle all these problems and you know starting in the ninety s or so folks were saying great. Okay, let's put a price on carbon. Because otherwise the markets are totally blind. If you can pollute completely for free, the market has no incentive to reduce polluting or to draw carbon out of the air and bury. Bury it, but the people who seem to have the most faith in the power of markets are the ones most opposed to putting a price on carbon, so the advances we might have made, and and some states actually do have a price on carbon, but the advances we might have made more nationalist globally have been blocked by people who who love markets an here's. Another is part of this. Country! Who's like our main competitor and not incidentally huge huge polluters China extensively Communist. They believe more in market power than. You know the the right wing of the Republican Party they have put a price on carbon. And they are using market forces to try to reduce pollution. Really, so China's more progressive in in terms of trying to reduce pollution than Americans. Well China's polluting a huge amount. Was GonNA. Say on this particular issue of how can the markets help us reduce pollution? They're using market forces to try to produce their pollution, and we're still not another really divisive aspect of this is that it's become some sort of a left versus right ideological issue like there's a lot of people on the right that I've had conversations with people that really don't have any idea what they're talking about where they instantly deny that climate change is a real issue, and when you press them on it, and just it's one of the benefits of having. Sort of long form conversations is that if you're doing this on CNN and it's one of those talking head things where you only have seven minutes industry people shouting over each other very hard to get to the heart of. Why do you believe this? Yeah, but when you're talking over long? PODCASTS hours long. You get to these people and. They'll adamantly deny that. It's an issue. But they don't know why. Do you know what I'm saying. It's like a thing. If you're a right wing, pundit or right wing, person you saying right-wing things. You're going to say climate change on our issue. What are you right now? IS THE ECONOMY AIN'T? GonNa, do right now is support jobs and people. There's a lot of people need put food on the table. There's a lot of people that need, and then they get this sort of a ranting, raving pro economic standpoint and it becomes. A denial of environmental problems that's becomes left versus right. It's very strange. I don't understand why anyone like how can that not be a universal issue? How could anyone not want? The world would be better for our grandchildren. How how could anybody not want less pollution? But it it becomes this thing where we have all these different categories that are left and right, and once you're on one side. You automatically seem to oppose those things that are in the other parties idea well in fact. There's one Survey I site in here. That showed that. Climate Change was the most polarized issue in the American political landscape, even more than abortion, really More than worship now that was a snapshot in time, and I think maybe that's changing..

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The Joe Rogan Experience

07:28 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"You don't have to worry about that, but I like your new car as a beautiful house that you got. You bought the profits of poisoning lakes. Well, that's exactly it in fact I suggest in the book that if you were a super villain, and you wanted to create a society that would ultimately destroy itself by imposing huge risks on each other and on the planet. You would probably create something that looks a lot like our current corporate dominated global economy in the sense of these organizations that amplify yourself interest that diminish your sense of responsibility that amplify all of your biases. You'd have justifying ideology to make it all seem fine. You would have the responsibility so diffuse that nobody would really feel too badly about it. and you give these. These folks in credible political power including constitutional rights so that they could dominate your democracy so that they could. Basically corporations can do whatever is legal used to not be that way. They can do whatever they were authorized to do by their charter, and then they'd have to stop smoking. Get the permission to build a canal, and then they'd and they'd be done and go away. Eventually, we made them immortal and they could do whatever they wanted as long as it's legal. And then we gave them huge amount of power to determine what actually is legal by influence, our democracy going to ask you about the what is the birth of a limited liability corporation? Like when when did all that occur? Well? They go way back. I mean during the slave trade they were. They didn't necessarily call them that, but they were essentially owned by shareholders, and so they would you know pool their capital, so it's very similar we've had corporate corporations are centuries old. If you go back to I think some early universities and things. But, we we didn't have kind of general purpose. Corporate laws in this country I think until. Mostly in the eighteen hundreds so when we first formed this country. You would have to go to the legislature. There were only a couple of of significant corporations around even at the time of the founders, and so that's why you really don't see corporations in the constitution. They're not mentioned because they weren't very powerful when they did get more powerful. You have some quotes from some of the founders. Saying Oh, this is this is a little scary and then of course they became very powerful in in the eighteen hundreds. You end up with gilded age, and so then you have folks like Teddy. Roosevelt are saying. Wait a minute. The you know this is a creation of law, and so we get to determine how much power has and he. Responded with the kind of trust busting movements, breaking down some of the really big old trusts. And and that was probably the first big pushback where where the government said, wait a minute, you corporations are too powerful. We're going to try to produce that power and then I. Think the next big phase of that would have been in the depression where you have the the new deal coming in and saying okay banks, you just wreck the economy. We're going to regulate you going to give workers more rights. We're going to create social security. We're GONNA. Do all kinds of things that that diminish corporate power over the democracy? And then it happened again in the sixties and seventies, and what I think is is that it might be about to happen again. Given that there is now so much concern about corporate power. citizens United Influence over democracy. people worried about concentration of wealth at the very very tippy top, and obviously people were that we are unable to deal with climate, change and Another factor would be the power of social media corporations to influence elections to influence public discourse They seem to have kinda snuck in in a way. That was really unexpected and people didn't see it coming right well. I mean that's actually the pattern. People never see it coming. All of these chapters pretty much begin with some kind of a discovery. And some industry races in there, and takes advantage of it I mean even slavery. The discovery would have been the new world and this enormous commercial opportunity, if you can just get the workers in there to to grow the tobacco in the cotton and sugar But but sued have the discovery you have an industry springing up to take advantage of it, and and making a lot of money and changing social norms along the way. Then problems are emerging obviously with slavery. They were inherent, but problems will emerge other people outside the industry discover those problems and pay attention to them. Draw attention, and then eventually you get to a law now. That's kind of an artificial ending, because you have to make sure that law gets enforced, but but in almost all of these chapters you get to some form of government action where they say. No, you can't do that anymore. We we stopped this industry. We ban this product, or at least we're gonNA, try to tweak your behavior but that process first of all it takes a long long time and enormous damage can be done in the meantime. but that process doesn't work. You don't even get your your somewhat happy ending. If the industry has become so powerful that that it determines. Whether it gets regulated or not in it blocks those regulations well. That's what I was getting, too. Because that kind of seems we're we're at now with. Corporations like facebook. Like they have an insane amount of power, and that power is actually being used to dictate who becomes president and that's what's really strange. It's like there's never been a corporation that. mean. Other corporations did their best to influence the market and influence regulations in a way that they can continue to profit, but this is a different thing where they're literally influence in influencing directly who becomes the person who runs the country, which is a new thing, well it. It's a new thing when they do it through information It's not a new thing where the do it through money. Right That's that's pretty well established, but but yeah. I mean you know Ah Somebody Probably not me because I don't know this. This industry well enough, but but the pattern is so clear that that it's clear where we're we're. We're heading right I mean the problems will get worse and worse. Other people talk about them. The problems are very new I think because we are talking about problems related to information and that you know and social media. How to social media affect social animals I mean this gets really complicated. It's going to be hard to figure this out But in addition to. Having their own denial about what harm they inadvertently unleash. They are vectors for the denial of other industries night, and so that's one of the reasons climate denial for example is still going to be out there and deeply rooted for longtime, even though the oil industry which played a huge role in in building it up has basically set up. We accept the climate science. We know this is happening. In fact, the Exxon Mobil even says it accepts the Paris Agreement, which says that we have to limit warming to well below two degrees. Centigrade and that sounds small. That's actually a pretty dangerous amount of warming, but that's the target.

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The Joe Rogan Experience

08:24 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"You know a fairly common thing for people to go pretty far down the road of denial when they are working in an industry, and and this is sort of the process. I tried to explore a little bit in the book. They're working in an industry. They're confronted with some accusation that they have caused harm. They check their gut and their gut says No. We didn't intend to cause harm. We don't feel guilty, and so their mind starts to come up with reasons why it must be wrong. And their tribal instincts, which are never more than just a millimeter below the surface for pretty much any of us, but but certainly in this case get triggered. So they immediately think well. These people accusing me must have an ulterior motive. They must be the money they want power on attention. They've got some sinister political objective and then the the other part of that tribal dynamic. They start thinking about themselves, and they're truly lofty mission, which isn't just to sell a product, but something else it's to. Protect Freedom, or if you're a slave trader, it's to rescue the Africans from terrible lives in Africa and bring them to the comfortable plantations That was actually an argument. Oh, yeah, the slave trade had a complete rescue narrative. I'm talking about the British slave trade here because. That was that was the first really intense campaign of industrial denial. I could find the BRI the British dominated the slave trade in the seventeen hundreds and the he. They faced a very powerful abolition movement at the end of that century, which was really going to the public and saying look at how brutal this is. They had witnesses. They torture devices. They had all kinds of evidence. and the British were really responding because they even though they dominated the slave trade, you know they had this notion of themselves as civilized and promoting freedom and being very humane, so this was starting to really affect the industry, so the traders and the planters got together formed a slave lobby they had a very organized campaign in response was a slave lobby. There was a very powerful slate lobby I mean the thing about the slave trade was you? Had people invested in it? From the royal family down to the the local bakers too many members of parliament I mean it was widely accepted fully legitimate industry, so the abolitionists really had their work cut out from for them. And they had all this evidence. The industry comes back and they. They knew they couldn't say oh. It's not so brutal. Came back with this complete counter narrative, which was we are rescuing these people that that they're the Africans. Are Eager to be purchased, they actually try to market themselves as how fit they are for for work, they enjoy that crossing across the Atlantic. There is singing dancing games of chance. And when they get to the plantations, it is incredibly comfortable. They get comfy little houses. It's like a cradle to grave welfare state. They don't have to worry if they get sick. We take care of them. We feed them. and they're doing way better than those poor peasants back there in Britain, those poor miners or those people working in the in the new factories, so that was that was part of it and the next part of it was that they. They said that if they had left them in Africa. If you didn't continue this trade, all of these prisoners of Of War would be massacred, or they would be eaten by cannibals, or they would die of famine, so they were. This was a rescue narrative, and here's the really clever part of this, because if you believe that you are rescuing them and persuade other people, I'm not suggesting the industry. Believe this, but if you can persuade people that you are rescuing them. The, flip side is that abolition would doom them. You would be shutting the gates of mercy on mankind because as one trader put it. The House of Bondage is really the the house of freedom to them I may have missed spoken that a little bit, but it was a truly orwellian quote, and and so that way you translate. into inhumanity and brutality, and and you portray the continued slave trade as a way to to save these people one one quote with great that if you were freed the slaves. And by the way this point, they weren't actually talking about freeing the existing slaves just stopping the flow of new slaves. But one of the quotes was that freeing the slaves would be cramming liberty down the throats of people incapable of digesting it. Wow Yeah. So this was the first example that you found of industry that was working to try to distort the perceptions of reality so that they can continue what they're doing, right? And you know they did a lot of other things that. We've seen modern industries doing they they you know I mentioned the reference to the. Poor, peasants and they also talked about you know. How would you like it? Britain if if people came in and started telling the peasants in the soldiers and sailors that they had rights. You know so basically this kind of. You know. Help us or you are next to your whole structure is going to collapse that kind of an argument and then they had an argument about basically. Failing to make a distinction between their industry and their interests, and the whole country, or rather in kind of an early version of what's good for the country is good for GM and vice versa, they said if you abolish this trade, it means universal bankruptcy for the Kingdom. It means Britain is not powerful anymore. It means Britain becomes a province of France it means in the sugar islands that the slaves will massacre the the whites exterminate the whites, and or maybe make the white slaves so they basically just created this incredible slippery slope that every that any kind of reform or certainly abolition of this industry would be disastrous for the entire kingdom. So how well documented is this in terms of the? The influencers like who who started this and is it was the they're like open discussions about how to spin this in a way that it's going to get people to think that slavery is a good thing well. I don't know about internal discussions within the industry. What we do have our lots and lots of books and pamphlets because this was all. All done in writing. We also have some hearings and we have a parliamentary debates. They were recorded not verbatim, but people try to write them down, and so we have some version of what was actually said. In these debates in various hearings, they were parliamentary hearings, so there's actually quite a lot of evidence of the arguments being made in their own words. So and then this was primarily in Britain right right. This is well. That's what I'm talking about here. Obviously there was we had our own abolition movement here Ryan Debate. That's what I was. GonNa ask you did those same arguments of. Did they actually presented in the United States? Some of them did I in the United States it was different, because of course you had an entire society a- built around slavery, and I read one one reference when historian, saying that about half of the defenses of slavery came from clergy. It wasn't quite the same sort of clearly. Here's an industry and here's an audience that they're talking to So that's one of the reasons I didn't focus quite at all. Really on the on the American. Clergy, that's what this this historian said I. I didn't dig into those they did by the way they'll find one. Source and now I don't remember if he was a plantation owner or something else who described? the called slavery. You know basically a way to make people as happy as can be, and and call it the ideal of communism, which was funny because you don't even think of communism. Of that debate is existing, this would have been in the eighteen hundreds now but he was saying that the North is exploiting. These workers not taken care of them, but in the south. We we take care of them. We make them happy as slaves twos. So. Is this a pattern that existed before that..

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"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

09:05 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

"Good, Joe, how are you pleasure to meet you pleasure to meet you? How did you get started on this? And how did how did you get interested in the subject? I got interested in this subject through climate change climate denial specifically I'm an environmental attorney. And back in the nineteen nineties, I worked for the state of Minnesota. And we found ourselves very briefly. Sort of on the front lines of the scientific debate over climate change in the way that happened was the state had passed a law, saying that utilities regulators should try to estimate the cost to the environment of generating electricity. We get most of our power from coal, or we did then and so we looked at coal missions. We looked at the traditional pollutants that we regulated for a long time, and in my client was the pollution control agency so I was familiar with those. What we also looked at though and I wasn't familiar with was. Co Two in its effect on climate change because while that was a big issue globally, there was already a global treaty signed to fight climate change states had not taken a look at that and what happened, was we? Struck a nerve with the coal industry, and they sent to Minnesota a bunch of witnesses bunch of scientists. To testify that we did not have to worry about climate change and wasn't going to happen, or if it did be just just a little, and we'd like it, and that all of those scientists the IPC intergovernmental panel on Climate Change though scientists that the rest of the world including the US government in the treaty signed by George H W Bush the ones that they were relying on those scientists were. Basically biased, they were biased because. They were in it for the money. Somehow they wanted research grants, or they had some. Political agenda it was kind of vague but but it was clear they did not want US worrying about this issue at all. The the told you it would be just a little and that you would like it would. Well a couple of things one of the arguments and you'll still hear this sometimes. Is that co two is a plant fertilizer which is true and therefore more co two makes the world a happier place for plants, and therefore better for everybody else and to the to the point where one of the coal interests who were in that who were parties had put out a video, saying that the earth was deficient in seal to and by digging up the coal, burning it. We were we were correcting that. yeah, so that was one of the arguments the other was you know it'll be mild? It'll be warm. The winters won't be as cold and and hey, this is Minnesota, so you know you guys are going to appreciate. Those warmer winters so yeah. There was a lot of crazy that that hasn't gone away. In fact, many in many ways. It's gotten a lot worse, but there were certainly enough to leave me shocked. Was that the first time you ever wear? The corporations do send in people to try to defuse arguments or Pollute the waters. I don't think I was quite that naive, but I'd certainly never seen anything like this. I mean these were people under oath you know and and they were saying things that were. Pretty Extreme and and many of which would just get a lot more extreme, and there were scientists the many. Yes, they're the ones I cross examined where mainly the scientists. They also sent some other witnesses as well so they didn't. They didn't actually work in a coal company. They were hired by the coal industry to come in testify and these scientists. Presumably, they are paid to do this. Yes, so, is that I mean? How do you track that like if you if you have scientists and they come in, and they say things that you know are not accurate or deceptive. How'd you find out what their motivation is? do do. Did you ask them if they've been paid? We were able to put some things in the record regarding how much money they gotten from different fossil fuel interests over the years. Years so we definitely did point to that argue about that. We didn't realize some of the witnesses had a much deeper history than we understood in science denial. One of the witnesses was a pretty prominent scientist. named Frederick sites who has since died but but we didn't know what I didn't know. When I cross examined him, I mean. This was a shoestring operation was that he had spent a lot of time actually consulting for the tobacco industry. so that would have been nice to to bring up talked about just before the PODCAST, the film merchants of doubt, and that's how I kind of got into your work right that film touches on that. How people who worked for the tobacco industry eventually went to work to deny the manmade climate change right well. In his case, he had actually been a physicist to as a very involved in cold. War weapons program, so he kind of came at it from that direction, and it wasn't until really he had retired from his remains, scientific and academic work that he was brought in to work for the the tobacco industry, but what happened was this handful of scientists Profiled in that movie, and and in the book by the same name they would also them work with these nonprofit groups, these free market groups that were strongly post regulation of industries, and so in those same groups than would address lots of different issues from tobacco ozone, and now to climate change, and and really a lot of other. Scientific issues as well for industries facing regulation. That someone should do a psychological profile of those people, particularly the tobacco people because it's like such a direct correlation between tobacco and cancer early it's the climate change thing. It's almost like boy. It's so hard to track it so far in advance, and if you say the climate change isn't real, what deaths are caused is directly attributable to that like how do you? Know what I'm saying, but like cancer cigarettes. It's like here's a person. They smoke cigarettes. They have cancer. You said it didn't come from cigarettes. What does that feel like to you to to be that person that? Actively tries to. Being, they're lying for money. They're lying. Let let me just back up one second and then talk about that just because I. WanNa make it clear that while the link between. Smoking and cancer may seem entirely obvious. There's enough of a delay that up. They opportunity for denial. The link between putting greenhouse gases in the air and and dramatic climate change that's actually as established well established as the links between and cancer is just that there it is a more complicated process and potentially more of a delay, and it depends in large part on what humans do along the way, so so it does. It does get kind of complicated as far as psychologically profiling the. Tobacco companies I, mean the tobacco executives. I won't presume to suggest this book does that, but but I do write a lot about what the these folks were saying not just to the public, but to you know internally we've got some internal documents, and and certain things that may have been public utterances, but we're clearly just sort of part of their internal rationalization, and for example I started the book with a quote from the head of Philip Morris who says. Says who knows what you would do if you didn't smoke. Maybe it'd be your wife. Maybe you drive cars fast, and you know that that's part of how I think. The tobacco industry approached this they would. They would imagine this sort of counterfactual where you know a world without tobacco without cigarettes, and then they would imagine what that would be like. And of course they always imagined. It was much much worse mother. Right. A read that part, and also the the man in question wind up quitting cigarettes so right. Yeah, he had to try. and. Do Right exactly. Yeah, that was the question and and we never really did find that out. It's such a strange. Way To live your life to to be deceptive in a way that you know is going to. I mean the there's. I? Don't know how many people have gotten cancer from cigarettes, but it's probably millions, and it isn't just cancer. Heart, disease, etc, so millions I mean I I've seen an estimate that in the twentieth century smoking killed. I. Want to make sure I. Get this right I. Think it was hundred million people. More than more than. Maybe, both wars World War, put together. It's seven million a year I. Think is the is the global. Death toll in the US, it's for four hundred eighty thousand a year. Yeah! Directly attributable right they they trace it to to directly attributable. Now you know it. These are extreme examples. Tobacco's the most famous and extreme example, and I talk about a lot of other examples, but I think it's actually..

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"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

02:14 min | 10 months ago

"freese" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience

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Cyntoia Brown I am Free

Toure Show

07:54 min | 1 year ago

Cyntoia Brown I am Free

"Sin? Toya Brown long has lived an insane life throughout her early teens. She was repeatedly. Jailed repeatedly raped prostituted. Everything it seems like every man. She came in contact with did her wrong when she was fifteen a pimp. She was in love with center out with his gun and she shot and killed a man she was a teenager who'd been victimized by the world but she was convicted and sentenced to in prison but she never lost hope that God would somehow save her enduring her fifteen years in prison. A groundswell of support and sympathy began to grow until the governor of Tennessee. Commuted her life sentence she was released from prison in August of two thousand nineteen just two months ago. She's now free and starting over and she's the author of an incredible memoir called freese into area. It's the incredible sin Toy Brown long on. Toray show you have been through an unbelievable journey in your life to get to this point how are you? I'm good. I'm blessed. I mean you must feel the most amazing weight off of your shoulders in your heart. And just how is it? I mean it's good and it you know. Of course there is a weight like it's been lifted but to be honest with you until I can see like the other women that I left behind so I could see some change happening for them to. I won't really feel like that. You Know Big Sigh of relief But it was definitely like you know I have my own finally Though I mean just even the pictures in the book the the end photos and the sense of relief that we can see is like wow like. She's so lifted. How did you make it through all of this? This this hell that you've lived through. It was literally nobody but God that got me through. It was rough and you know there was times it should. I shouldn't even have survived and I didn't realize the time just how close I was. But you know he was watching out for me. He definitely had angels around me protecting me. I mean this story. The hell of your life starts from early teenage years. And there's really there's really nobody around who's good to you everybody's trying to take from you and us you and I mean I wonder you know just at a young age when you start seeing that happening all the time you lose faith in humanity. Do you not. Yeah so that started you know. Once I left home the little cocoon and my mother's house it was like that it was always someone that wanted something. Always you know some kind of drama happening and just a lot of trauma that I was taking in and for a while you know I did struggle with you. Know filling certain ways about men in general just about people you kinda come to expect the worst from people But you have to realize that just because you experience that with one person to person a few people that doesn't mean it's reflective of everyone and so that several years for me to to get to that place for understood that but before you even meet cutthroat. Who's this sort of central figure in the story? What did you think of yourself? Because there's just not much no no not much you know. I had come to a place where I really didn't feel like I belonged anywhere. I really didn't feel like I was accepted for who I was didn't really know who I was. You know I was just so desperate to to be accepted like the people around me anything that they said that I needed to be how I needed to be behaving. What was acceptable. I was just taking it all in like a pay this is. This is how I'm supposed to be and you know I was just lost like way before I even met him. I mean your I mean your child you were child but you were being treated like an adult quite often and you're dealing with rape dealing with crack using WANNA All see mean just I. I can't imagine what it needs. You think of yourself nathen. I've been much myself at all and I really didn't think much of the things that I was involved with. Either colleges blindly walking into situations and just figuring out how to survive from there. And when you I mean when you meet a man. They've cut throat. One would think one thing that would mean your Davis Right. Yeah Yeah you'd think so but I guess you just you're not really process and what's going on you put in an adult position but you don't have the capacity of adult you're not really thinking and so yeah that was Read right away your leg. He was cute. I wanted to get his number wanted him to have my number. I mean what was that immediate whole that La- because that's would start to lead you down the real hell you went into. I think like he was just really good about and now I can see it like you know we would have conversations. It was about me like up until that point I had learned how to present myself to men in order to get what I wanted from them. So you know I would usually just listen to them. Listen to certain key words and then just say every now and then something but with him. It was me being able to talk about you. Know my innermost desires my thoughts and and things like that and I was like oh well. He's interested in me and you know that that's all I had been looking for someone who saw me someone who was interested in me. Someone who accepted me and all he really did was just sit there and be quiet and let me talk but get the first man who's listening to me and it's so powerful and you feel like affirmed in seen right for the first time right. Yeah that kind of starts to suck you in. Oh yeah quickly. Like very quickly within his face days like all of a sudden it was like you know. I didn't want to see him for an hour. It was like on the second day. Let's spend the whole day together you now but it quickly becomes very treacherous. Because he's you know his friend is using you and then he doesn't believe you. He believes his friend is almost rapidly. He starts sort of pimping you you sleep with him. You say I mean why did you? I mean I guess you accept that because you don't think anything of yourself and like the crazy thing is like you know he was saying all these things and I'm like well no I'm not I'm not a sled like whatever saw really didn't like constantly like accepted as truth and whenever you know it would be like. I was doing what I was doing. It was like a whore. I'm not I'm not doing this. I'm prostituting like this is not what I'm doing. I'm just you know going out and getting some money from a guy like you just kinda rationalize things in a way were like later. You're looking back and it's like what was what was that. And Yeah like that was definitely the turning point. The I can't remember what I call them in the book but I'll just say with his friend Yeah that was definitely the turning point when things just turned ugly and I almost think like now like you know they plan that or something like was that just the excuse. Randy's openly start acting that way with me But I don't know so. I guess maybe readers they can attempt for themselves. Tell me what they

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"freese" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

02:31 min | 1 year ago

"freese" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

"Thousand Twenty of US strolling in my home studio Taylor. Shrank is producing from his home studio. It's now become like a a popular thing on twitter tale. You're getting a lot of response about your your your podcast studio. It's kind of wild a little bit later on the show I'll share. What kind of gear? I haven't I can tweet it out to For people that are interested. But I'm definitely lucky to have this sort of setup I mean even people I mean forecast podcasting business. It's like you even have a USB microphone at home. So it's it's cool that I have the stuff on hand and I appreciate the interest because podcasting is thriving right. Now it's about the only thing it absolutely is thriving and because of the circumstances of course we had this idea of reaching out to people who'd been involved in some of the game's biggest moments involved in the game's biggest games and we interviewed David freeze yesterday. He was the hero game. Six of the two thousand eleven world series which is arguably the greatest game of all time. It tell you back me up on this. He was amazing. I like the clarity and precision of his memories to me. Were absolutely remarkable. I first of all you'll hear it in the interview. He had a blast like walking through all this talking about everything. So it's a great interview and I. I'm always shocked at how well these guys can remember every single moment. I guess when you are in a big spotlight dad with millions of eyes on you. I guess it is burned into your brain but I don't remember anything like that at all. I've vivid memories but I mean he was breaking it down beat for beat. And it's it's wild to to hear so I hope everyone enjoys it. Yeah absolutely you're right. He was having fun when when I reached out to you know I haven't talked about that in like eight years. That'd be fun and I thanked him after we got done the interview and he He talked about how much enjoyed you know. Having a conversation about one of the greatest moments in baseball history with the Yankees camp shutdown Aaron Boone began the drive home to the New York area from Florida on Sunday. He spoke with Major League Baseball Network Radio. Because everyone's you know eventually going to be in a different place I feel like our guys as a whole Do a really good job of kind of preparing themselves and putting them cells in a good position. So I I'm confident that that our guys will be really responsible no matter where they disperse to or if they stay here. I know they're going to do all they can to kind of stay ready and stay fresh there So you just kind of support them in half those.

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Cyntoia Brown-Long on realizing she was a sex trafficking victim: "It took many, many years"

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

07:18 min | 1 year ago

Cyntoia Brown-Long on realizing she was a sex trafficking victim: "It took many, many years"

"I guess was just sixteen years old when she was convicted of killing a man who solicited her for sex and sentenced to life in prison after serving fifteen years she was granted full clemency and tells her story in the new book freese and Toya my search for redemption in the American prison system she's welcome Sin Toya Brown Law the there are few stories you will read a book fiction or fact that have as many twists and turns as life that you have lived I knew a few details of your story but reading through the book is a really powerful and painful and then redemptive experience at the same time when you wrote the story again was it hard for you to relive some of the decisions and some of the things that happened to you in your life that got you to where you ended up says you know when I started writing the book I had thought that I had dealt with everything that had happened to me and when you're actually riding those things it brings up that time that moment you have to step back in there especially when I started working with the rider is amazing writer Bethany Mauger s really great questions really good to be able to just really process that and to to just really step back in those moments even though it was hard what one part of your story that is particularly powerful and complicated is when you talk about your relationship with the idea that you were involved in sex trafficking and it's really really gripping in the book because you say you didn't consider yourself to be part of sex trafficking in any way you know there's a passageway you say I thought of sex traffic victims people who are in suitcases or stuff to contain as unchained and yet I thought I had a boyfriend when in fact this was your pimp who was making you do what you would you would doing in the world is that part of the problem that we face in dealing with sex trafficking is that some of the people who are involved in it don't think of themselves as being victims in the in the situation absolutely I can't identify victims when it comes to some of the people who are supposed to be saying you know this is child abuse our camera the study where I think it was fifty seven percent of mandatory reporters where these are counselors teachers these are people who are constant contact with the youth they're supposed to report every instance of child abuse him fifty seven percent of them thought that some teenagers willingly prostituted themselves thought that some teenagers traded thanks for for shelter for food because they did it they consented and that's just not the case that is abuse that is exploitation and these individual rules aren't reporting it and if you have them saying you're not a victim you're actually willingly doing this hour and I believe it and so for so long aw I just consented I was just promiscuous because that's what I was being told by society and so it took for a campaign from a group in Tennessee he call in slavery that you know they stress that there's no such thing as teenage prostitution I didn't know anything about the federal statute that said anyone who's a minor it was actually a trafficking victim there's no such thing as consent and you know that was hard to kind of face I used to argue with people when they said you know you were taking advantage of no I wasn't I knew what I was doing and that's just not the case it's really hard to be in that situation where you still want to maintain agency but at the same time you have to admit that something was done to you you faced the ultimate punishment for what happened to you in your life and was after this man solicitor you took you back to his place abused you and essentially held you captive in his world you killed him and he was sentenced to life imprison was meant to be over fifty years you served fifteen which is essentially a life sentence because you were sixteen years old at the time in that time in prison what did you think your world was going to be you know because you went in as a sixteen year old well I don't know but I know that every since I was in prison I'd always dreamed of living a real life I never let go of hoping we'll get out one day so I really feel like I'm I'm living my dream right now yes so I always kept always kept have pain you can't that hope is that is that what you studied in prison it is because that that was that was fascinating to me and the story is here's somebody who's going to spend the rest of their life in jail there is no promise that you will get out and yet here you are studying furthering your education trying to make the best of the time that you have why do that when you don't think you're gonNA get out because I didn't even like at Emily them when they tell me I would make a point the One I would say things you'd hear a lot of people say you know if I get out or if Markham fishing is overturned I would always say when I get out and I know my husband in our talk to him all the time well when I get out I wanna do this and he would always be like well let's cross that bridge when we get there but it's just something that came so natural when I get out when I get it when I get out and it was like that for the entire fifteen years when we look at the criminal justice system today in America it is an unfortunate fact that there were many some Toyota browns who are experiencing its adverse effects if there was one thing you wish would have been different when it came you how your case was handled what would you wish the thing would be that would be applied to every case going forward my case specifically number one I I do think that there are things that I needed to be held accountable for and I think there are a lot of cases with juveniles who commit certain crimes there has to be locality there has to be consequences however a juvenile is not the same as an adult even the supreme court has he ruled that several times and a string of cases so it just doesn't seem like it makes sense to me for the Supreme Court I think it needs to change it's still the case now you still have juveniles who are tried as adults think that's one of the things that needs to change and to be honest with you I think a lot of senses are just excessive in general of that fifty one years is is like who's GonNa make fifty one years in prison nobody

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U.S. arrests counterterrorism analyst over leaks to journalists

Mark Levin

00:26 sec | 1 year ago

U.S. arrests counterterrorism analyst over leaks to journalists

"And counterterrorism analysts from Alexander has been arrested and charged with leaking classified information to his girlfriend a journalist as well as the second journalist thirty year old Henry Kyle Freese was arrested this morning interesting when he showed up for work as a defense intelligence agency employee interested court documents say freeze who had top security clearance access classified intelligence reports and gave a journalist information on a foreign countries

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"freese" Discussed on Pet Life Radio

Pet Life Radio

01:33 min | 4 years ago

"freese" Discussed on Pet Life Radio

"Your whole strawberry he's get the men the plane greek yogurt pat i like using greek joerger because it's little baker you can get good coverage with that place the dips strawberry is on perch meant paper on a trey and then freese for about an hour or so and that yogurt well freese right on to the strawberry and that's it well on another easy frozen treat is homemade pubs to calls i love this on and you don't even me pops up or molds for these but if you have pops go molds go ahead and get them out if not you don't meet them he all you need is a half cup of your slay strawberry so if you have some left over from the flag use it for that us a third cup raul calle or spin edge the quarter cup of your plane on friday yogurt and then there's small paper cubs like the kind that use for mouth wash or you can use your pops a call malls if you have them and you also need possible sticks of course tim you can get those at a craft store or anywhere you're gonna combine all of those ingredients into a blunder worse fit process error matchup to lead and whatever you want to use until smith and you made it out a little bit of water out of time at the next or seems to back to work so maybe you like a table spent of water out of time and then key blending por that mixture into the pop circle molds or your paper cops and then place possible sticks and each one of them you're going to freeze for at least two hours are so until are completely frozen through and then serve and enjoyed a and those you can also stick and the caller with some nice and all make their way to your destination or you can just assemble them once you get.

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"freese" Discussed on Pet Life Radio

Pet Life Radio

02:11 min | 4 years ago

"freese" Discussed on Pet Life Radio

"A dog that freese's for whatever reason if you are walk your dog on leash and they see another dog and a face the dog their tail goes up ended the come motionless that is a big warning not all dogs will gravel dogs gravel because they wish to avoid conflict dogs who do not wish to avoid conflict won't gravel but many of them will warren with the freese any time you see a dog freese teacher child to back away from the dog and you should be to whatever the issue is it should be train been resolved but you don't to do it once the dawkins frozen once a dog his frozen your job is to avoid a bite and then deal with whatever the issue is the last thing to watch for is gifts interest i see this a great deal as a trainer people will tell me my dog is so good with people and then when i go into meet the dog they have a very little interest people mistake calmed this interest for friendly miss not at all i dog who is friendly seeks your interaction they wear their tail they put their years back they want to make eye contact with you win a saw friendly way that is a friendly dog i'd is interested dog but walk up in sniff you walk away or for children around they'll stand there their tail while flag they won't interact they're just there just like us when we are this interested in a person we are less taller into of that person then we would be with somebody who we actually enjoyed and like dogs who are diss interested have lower thresholds for being annoyed or reactive so watch produce interest don't mistake that for a friendly missed and don't mistake com for friendly nests it might not be either of those things this is very similar to use sitting down.

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"freese" Discussed on Pet Life Radio

Pet Life Radio

02:02 min | 4 years ago

"freese" Discussed on Pet Life Radio

"A dog that freese's for whatever reason if you are walk your dog on leash and they see another dog and a face the dog their tail goes up ended the come motionless that is a big a warning not all dogs will gravel dogs gravel because they wish to avoid conflict dogs who do not wish to avoid conflict won't gravel but many of them will warren with the freese any time you see a dog freese teacher child two back away from the dog and you should be too whatever the issue is it should be train been resolved but you don't to do it once the dawkins frozen once a dog his frozen your job is to avoid a bite and then deal with whatever the issue is the last thing to watch for is this interest i see this a great deal as a trainer people will tell me my dog is so good with people and then when i go into meet the dog they have a very little interest people mistake calmed this interest for friendly mess not at all i dog who is friendly seeks your interaction they wag their tail they put their ears back they want to make eye contact with you win a saw friendly way that is a friendly dog i'd is interested dog but walk up in sniff you walk away or for children around gil stand there their tail while flag they won't interact they're just there just like us when we are this interested in a person we are less taller into of that person then we would be with somebody who we actually enjoyed and like dogs who are diss interested have lower thresholds for being annoyed or reactive so watch produce interest don't mistake that for friendly.

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"freese" Discussed on KXL 101 FM News

KXL 101 FM News

02:40 min | 5 years ago

"freese" Discussed on KXL 101 FM News

"Which of course freese three two i shoot ufo flat that happened last week goal united states i listen this week's been a banner week for ufo videos mainly i saw another streak of light the look like a space junk coming out of the sky it was say that this is i guess jake ally diffuse light blob law you know everybody's trying to find an explanation for this it is these ufo's and stuff and all i can say is that you know when ufo he's used people will trying debunk at right out of the read the or right out of the shoots right out of the united and that's why i'm careful not to call them you o's are ut sees which military term i know that hillary call that something else once again identify terrell phenomena and you know you afc been around for a long time it just doesn't stick but i have acquainted you with some of the military turns like utc end and you oh and so i use that now but still you know i think people you know when you when you offer ufo videos he said take a look at this stage they think that you want to convince them that aliens are flying them and that's not always the case the main i would love to see ufo mean more than just you know alien suv vehicles you wanna kicked the tires on the horn a gut i just don't like that and an eighteen people used to you know kicking ufo footages ai those who the story to about how you know they always take a picture with the worst camera you know if you're does stand they even if you have a friend of your stand in front of a camera watt up eighty eight a piece of paper and it's roy before the cameron tell you shooter but you would be able to shoot it do those things travel really fast and should be able to get something on camera to stop blurry and it's it's pretty cool and most of time a big comes out not blurry people say i photoshop or so used to these blurry ones or what they say taking a picture with a potato of course but we used to people taking a big serve your vote with the potato i like but i like midterm actually did people tend to think anything clear like that would be cg i your fates or whatever so the banner week for space because you get to hear the june or roar speculation all boy another thing to the alien mega structure you've heard this write about that about the strange kepler a started teams dimming and i don't know why something to it like there's like triple signals coming from it as if something blocking it or something's in front of it or something huge keys passing by it it's not a planet.

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