6 Episode results for "Freeman Coliseum"

Full Episode: Monday, November 26, 2018

Nightline

18:26 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Monday, November 26, 2018

"Good evening. Thank you for joining a mass shooting bombing any kind of mass casualty of band is chaotic by nature impossible to -ticipant with thousands of variables. But the one thing first responders can count on is each other knowing how to act and how to communicate during disaster can be the difference between lives lost and lives saved tonight. ABC's gutten enjoys rescuers in Texas in a full on dress rehearsal for their worst nightmare. A reminder. What you're about to see is a drill. These first responders San Antonio, Texas, every second counts. Her every move on the scene every decision at these trauma centers. Is the difference between life and death? So we're going to need some computing pressure on the neck, the trauma may look disturbing. The real this is a drill. What is happening today is one of the largest mass casualty drills in the nation. It's a nightmare scenario reactive shooters opening fire and detonating a bomb during the high school graduation at the Freeman Coliseum. The details may be different. But the aftermath is created to look usually similar to the we shouldn't mass shootings Las Vegas Pittsburgh Thousand Oaks and just one year ago here in Texas church shooting in southern springs is not a question of if something's going to happen in this city. It's only question of win. And so how prepared to respond to that is critical. The drill starts before. Sunrise. On a lesser Asian aren't professional makeup artists are lodging volunteers who are playing victims. It's important to make realistic because when our actual medical personnel come into these situations where they were in something that is gruesome, then they'll be better prepared to deal with each of the actors has been assigned a specific Trump, or do, you know, what you're supposed to do as as a person with an arterial, gunshot wound? It's as I'm supposed to scream in pain shortly before nine AM first responders begin to take their places, and they should guide you in from their tenant. Josh Franson the fire department preps his teeth. We're going to run it. Like, we're going to run really been as the muck shootings into full dispatching right now by forum eighteen ladder nine engine nine thirty French and he gives us an site. Look very first moments of fire departments response where we don't want to send all of our assets to one location and then via conflicts coordinated. Attack. Again, this is just a drill, but every detail manners is the best practice. They will get four wheel like Trump's and here can get a sense of the chaos of this helicopters up in the air, ambulances on the ground, medical supplies, everywhere. Mid the mass hysteria is methodically planned carefully toward dated response. Say right now is swat fire rescue. These are the specially trained power medics who actually swapped trained as well. And they're trying to do this as quickly as possible get the people who need immediate treatment out first, and the people who can survive out here for longer just leave them for the end because they don't need the help as immediately as the others in a mesh casualty of figuring out who goes where and how they're going to get there with the biggest hurdles for first responders. Next ES, w is a gunshot wound. This young lady has one as this. What lead Medicare's made the decision that these two patients need to go next. They need immediate treatment. Join the casualties in one of these ambulances going in and we're right out to the helipad. The most severe victims are airlifted to local hospitals wounded officers being driven by ambulance to a nearby helipad because he's got a significant wound to the head gunshot thick one hand. Just getting out that how rocky it is just an ambulance like this moving around as paramedics after work under these conditions stuff. Falling down everywhere. It's not easy. Meanwhile, patients from the Coliseum begin flooding. The ers of civil of San Antonio level one trauma centers, Brooke Army Medical Center and university hospital. It's chaotic but it's controlled chaos. We have three open rooms upstairs. Now, Dr Ramone hysteria is the trauma surgeon on call today. Coming to you. We'll since the purpose of today's drill just to run through the medical treatment. What are you? We'd get experts, but also to streamline more basic things like communication between different wings of the hospital. So a patient can get critical care faster. Every recall. Basically, the call the OB. Yes communications a big piece of what we do. So trying to figure out how they were vantage level. Optimizing his key goals today. He ready twenty four seven three sixty five to receive mass casualty incident, it could be a two in the morning on a Saturday or three in the afternoon or Wednesday or Soviet doctors know all too well could be quite Sunday at eleven twenty AM. That's when a gunman armed with an AR fifteen walked into the First Baptist Church in Sutherland springs, Texas and opened fire. Killing twenty six injuring dozens Dr Ronald Stewart was one of the trauma surgeons working at university hospital that day treated nine patients here is patients that all them survive. One did not. When did not small child. I think the average person would probably not understand really how difficult it is to take care of patients with these types of high-velocity wounds. What you about to see might be disturbing. Basically, this is really the very similar types of ones that we saw to Sutherland springs, Dr east rich uses snapshots from a real war zone. As an example. This here is actually we'll be typical wound from high-velocity round. Basically creates wave a blast wave. Just like if you throw a pebble in upon this is why addition to practicing how they respond to a mass shooting, both Dr east rich, and Dr Stewart believe that their medical community must also get involved in curbing firearm violence, we really have put our heart and soul into reducing these injuries for recurring the first place, but unsurprisingly this view is. Controversial when the American college of physicians recently published this paper on the topic of gun violence. The NRA responded by telling doctors to stay in their lane. Then medical professionals across the country bang using the viral hashtag this is our lane sharing gruesome images of their first hand experiences with gun violence. Dr eastward says that his own experience with gun violence from the Sutherland springs shooting took emotional toll on his hospital. Everybody really collapsed sort of later that afternoon. Remember that moment for you. I made it to my truck. Then I probably didn't leave for about an hour. I mean that illustrates how we compartmentalize it we all shed a lot of tears later that day and they subsequent for everyone involved in today's drill. This is personal because they've already faced tragedy before fear that they may have to they know that what they're learning today will save lives. You have all of these resources available is going to help us when the real deal happens for Nightline gunman in San Antonio, Texas. Our thanks to Matt. And next a grudge match more than three decades the making Michael Jordan on becoming a new type of underdog for new generation. So you just woke up your phone is lighting up with headlines and push notifications. And text from your mom saying, how do I click this? Okay. Maybe that's just me. But if you wanna get up to speed, check out the new podcast from ABC news start here. Literally the ground was shaking. I'm Brad milkey. And every morning, we're going to take you to the stories that matter with fast, fresh, insight, low robber mower. Michael Cohen calling all in twenty minutes start here. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. The heart of the rocky films has always been the triumph of the underdog and the Cree franchise sticking to the script with a relatively low budget and low expectations. The first installment shocked critics with the box office knockout now some heavy hitters in his corner. Michael Jordan's characters facing down his toughest opponent yet. Gum kid with all the settle t of a haymaker do this and the emotional impact of a hook to the kidneys began this. Ami Michael Jordan is back in his star making role as Donna's creed. And this time this Puget Listrik bromance is personal revenge. Served cold as in knockout KO, this guy stagers, but you don't think I could beat crate to reunite semesters to loans rocky Balboa with his protege the son of the franchises beloved Apollo cre-. Got everything to lose. This guy's got enough to loose. I ain't got a choice. That's the. Died right here in my hands is the second installment of the reinvented rocky films seeing the opportunity for a new underdog a new hero for different generation Tessa Thompson returns as the woman in his life. It's a movie about relationships. This movie is movie about family, and it happens to take place in the world of boxing Crete to borrows from the past centering on one of the most tragic events in rocky history. Apollo cre- dying in the ring after being pummeled by Ivan Drago in rocky fool. Over thirty years later cre- to offers a rematch by proxy, two sons, picking up where they're fathers left off Drago, then Jaakko infamously kill free with down still living in his father's shadow. He's been trying to heal during during the course of the two films dolph Lundgren one of the silver screen. Most famous bag is returns give a favorite line from rocky four hundred three lies of think. Like, I'm as break you. Guy. She dies. I felt really bad about Apollo by the way who say that. And I was twenty seven Swedish kid knows a big fan of the rocky franchise the script like what I have to kill this guy. Right. He's the all time favorite characters and always feel bad this time, he's not a vicious fighting. But a father what do you want the audience, especially guys to get from that dynamic, father and son in this in this movie? I think the big thing about this film's about redemption and forgiveness. You know, about, you know, relationships before the sons, and the fact that you don't have to go on hitting each other forever. Making a comeback of own incre- to Brigitte. Nielsen professional not a Killa start alongside lumbering in rocky four remaining in boxer and acting newcomer floria Muntianu plays their son. I was the new guy on set. And I would never ask flank, you know, to to go training to rehearsals and stuff, but he initiated that he wanted to create this Fata sunk which helped me a lot. I think you can see don't scream six four almost two hundred fifty pounds Muntianu is a formidable opponent. Once you start. It's like in my head. It was real lack. I am Drago. He's creed. I want to literally destroy this guy. You know? So you kind of forget at some points that it's not a real boxing match for a real fighter. You know us gaining that trust with one another learning the choreography, it's like a violent dance big ask dance partner, so big dance partner and we step on each other's toes from time to time he hit each other quite quite a bunch. Oh, those months in the gym paid off PECS. Get bigger is the franchise goes on. Pecs back to more of a bad guy. Pecs? Impressive still. I'm like, I'm a sucker. Just when they move independent like the moves. Yeah. I love that. Tap dancer, entertainer outside the ring George characters also mature to gets engaged and becomes a father. We want to give honest family, which is the thing that he's been longing for a long time and all the obstacles in the struggles that comes along with that Bianca, our our our couple insofar as a couple of really want to see each other flourish and succeed, and I think we are that way as as friends to each other. And so that's you know, really wouldn't be good. Anybody will hand with his two right way. I need. I'll be. Better as you're playing a father now, but you're someone who has a relationship with his own dad that helped this certain moments from own life father that I would substitute. You know that oh this is something that Don would do. But creed released rehears ago was an unexpected him made for thirty five million dollars egregious more than a hundred seventy million worldwide and earned an astronaut well, versed alone. Maybe did exactly what he wanted. Whether it be. Talk with you create. You is on track to do just as well. The box office grossing over fifty five million thanksgiving weekend director Steve capable took over the franchise from Ryan Kubat. There was lots about the first creed. This talion story now toll with a black man leading role black director. Let's talk about the race element this time. Yes. SAU this progression. Regression in the movement. Man. You know, people are listening people are watching their accepting this, and I think our movie on our storytelling also Varsovie computer, many capable joins a growing list of black directors and actors for making movies with mass appeal lifeblood path with the cable global phenomena. Repel Jordan to superstar. How did that change your life? I mean on all levels took things two different level impact on community and generations to come. We can't really calculate right now. But what you can bet on more from Jordan Thomas in the fighters from Cree. So creek during the word hope, so. I would hope creed three four five, you know, as long as we can keep things fresh and as long as the fans are still happy as long as I can get this. I can afford and come back. No. Something that you know, we have opportunity to on and make something new version one up. And finally tonight there may not be life on Mars. But now there is a camera. Here's ABC's Clayton. Send out. Catch down confirmed. Tonight a touchdown worthy of an interplanetary Super Bowl. Moments later, this image from Nasice insight mission proving it stuck the first Mars landing in six years. Insight survive, the seven minutes of terror and autopilot plunge from space to ground twelve thousand miles per hour to full stop and every step flawless. You made it through that seven minutes of terror. Yeah. I still have a few fingernails left, but they're mostly gone now inside begins a two year mission for the first time peering inside the red planet, and they'll do that. Using these sensors that the team hopes will unlock some ancient mysteries about how our solar system was formed Clayton. Sandell ABC news at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. It was over Wimpy. Who said the biggest venture you can take is to live the life of your dreams. That's nightline. And remember you can always catch. Our full episode Hulu, thanks for the company America. Goodnight. We are really strong women people need to hear what women have to say. And that's us. That's what makes the show so good ABC's view now available as a podcast with Berg, Abby Huntsman, joy, ehar son house and Megan McCain who's anybody who wants to make it to the next level in CASA come on the show. 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ODS Ep. 19: Blake Barnett of DSC's Trailing the Hunter's Moon talks about his black bear charge in British Columbia and why hunting feral hogs in Texas without a license is a questionable law.

OUTDOORS SCOPED

1:36:42 hr | 1 year ago

ODS Ep. 19: Blake Barnett of DSC's Trailing the Hunter's Moon talks about his black bear charge in British Columbia and why hunting feral hogs in Texas without a license is a questionable law.

"The welcomes him outdoors scope hunt fish conservative with your host Bobby Falkenberg. Hello and welcome to episode nineteen of outdoor scoped. I'm your host Bobby Falkenberg. This episode of outdoor scope is brought to you by Iron Antler Fitness Twenty eight hundred ninety eight north highway two eighty one bulverde Texas seven eight one six three the number is eight one seven nine hundred nineteen eighty-one Twenty one eight eight one seven nine thousand nine hundred eighty one twenty-one that just said Kelly van meter in here yesterday and if you WanNa hear just what Crawford can do for you not only in terms of your physical fitness but in terms of your diet and your health just an overall body change listen to episode twenty. It's GonNa be episode twenty. It'll be out next week. I I talked to Kelly for a while. 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WWW dot outdoor dot com and you can subscribe to the podcast or a much much easier way to do this is just get on your favorite podcast at whether it be I tune stitcher Google play whatever it is and this is for android or Android android or iphones just on your favorite APP and search for outdoors scoped and you will find us you can hit subscribe and every every episode will just come right to you just boom pop. Hey episode nineteen of outdoor sculptures available you click on it and next thing you know you're listening but if you don't like to to do that and you just are kind of a computer person you like to stream it from your computer outdoor scope dot com go there. You can stream it directly from our website. We also have a hotline eight. One seven seven nine three nine eight hundred twenty one eight one seven nine three nine eight hundred twenty one and we are on instagram follow us on facebook like us at outdoor scoped but anyways anyways if you go there you'll see that. Lauren had an interview a few weeks back and she is the director of marketing for trophy hunters and she is. He's actually talking in that episode about the Hunters Extravaganza they do three every year Anita Sipa coffee. They do three every year. They're the one in Houston is Friday. August the second through Sunday August the fourth at the center of their energy park in Houston Houston the August Ninth Hunters Extravaganza is in Fort Worth. That's August ninth through Sunday August Eleventh Fort Worth Convention Center Twelve. O One Houston Street in Fort Worth Fort Worth Texas and San Antonio won is Friday August sixteenth through Sunday August eighteenth the Freeman Coliseum thirty two zero one east Houston Street in San Antonio folks go to one of these. I'm going to go to the one in San Antonio so if you go I'll see you there and talks about how they set. Trophy hunters sets up the extravaganzas so that if you go you can go there and basically get everything you need for the a year. That's why they do it. In August they do a right before bow season ramps up and you know you can go get pretty much whatever you want. It's very kid friendly. They encourage you to bring your kids. They've got shows they've got exhibits and stuff like that and you know all kinds of neat stuff that you can get but but more importantly all the gear that you want or need to buy and so go check it out again the the the Houston dates August second through August fourth Fort Worth August nine through August eleventh and San Antonio August sixteenth through the eighteenth and if you want more information on that just go to their website at trophy hunters and then you can listen to the Lawrence interview and and hear a lot more info they're here on episode in nineteen outdoor scoped. We are talking to Blake. Barnett Blake is a friend of mine in an international hunter does trailing the DS's trailing the hunters moon with Larry. Y Soon Blake was actually my very first guest when we switched from cause of action to outdoor scoped so I'm grateful for that. When we did his interview we talked about how he would come back and four or five months and we recap and so that's what we did and he's got a great story about a bear hunt that's why he went to do recently he had just gotten back like four or five days before we do the interview from British Columbia and had done a bear hunt and they had a very very interesting running with Barry if you go to outdoor scopes facebook page again just at outdoor scoped and like it you can see all these videos and one of the videos that I linked up to was as blake and his guide and cameraman having this run in with a very very angry black bear so check that out you can also go to SCA ASEAN find trailing the hunters moon and see all the stuff that they do it's a great interview that we talk about a lot and I think Blake's going to be one of those people that it just comes on every few months and recaps what he's doing but support them g definitely check out. Ds's chilling the hunters moon and go check out that video oh and you can just get on get online and Google Blake Barnett or Larry why soon RDS's trillion one hundred million you can find all kinds of stuff but I hope you enjoy this interview and without further ado here here is Blake Barnett. We'll have some more board meetings coming up about entertainment and catering and all that kind of maybe we'll. Maybe we'll reach out to something like that. Yeah I was wanted to join and then it takes about a month or so from the time they get your stuff to get you approved and everything and yeah yeah yeah which is cool because now you're a member of FDIC and that's what we want to. That's really what you want to drive on memberships by being a member of the mother ship of the Fisher Rights Organization Organization makes you a membership of chapter because there's a chapter here in your in your area so everything that we put on you're welcome to join and come come to and people it was supposed to be a social in Fredericksburg and then I think it got rescheduled. Yeah we had some conflicting. Things would the people that wanted to hold it to some some request. We couldn't couldn't honor on short notice it so we've moved to another members place in Carville well and I told him I wanted to go but we've got that gig that night yeah so we're GonNa have there's going to be so many. I think we're going to try to plan a summer event at Rebecca Creek Doc on there and that may be something we need music for whatever you know Steve Ryan. I don't know if you've met Steve. I got a funny story for you. We were at I t Wawa Laurie Wilson Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah the big firms and she's sitting at this guy and I ordered a Rebecca Creek and Laurie's like I just heard you order the drink. He makes no yeah exactly so so. Steve is now we just had our board elections and he is going to be a new sitting board member on the on the board. I think that is all official here in about a week or two and so would his participation. I know he's going to be put in charge charge of some of the social activities planning just because that's what they do yeah that sounds better in my ears by the way right there yeah. I was getting a little crack a little bit every every now and I'm trying to. I'm trying to do my adjustments yeah now so yeah. I mean we're GONNA see US doing more. More events at their facilities is in on this northern side of town where the Tony. I know they're going to do a dove hunt again in September. I think that first Saturday September 'til special white wing season. That was a real successful assessable event last year. Where was that it was down near. Don't give me the line but I wanna say it was down close to Pearsall I think it's going to be held on the same property but we had a couple of hundred shooters showed up and everybody catered barbecue and had a big deal and it was it was. DNC See South Texas or DNC Texas. Put It on and turn mature a little bit here and yeah. I didn't go to it but believe believe it or not. I'm not a big wing shooter. I don't even know shotgun said the same thing. I don't know what it is. It's not I you know I've done it before. I grew up doing it. I love doing it. I think it's just always always running so many other places. I missed that season. I miss that time of year so that's exactly what matters is just not around for it because there's just between everything else I do. I don't I don't have time. Brad need likes to go to Africa late season himself so that's that's a late season. That's late-season for Africa over there. They want to go this year so he's been a lot of time in Africa you too. I think at one time he might have held a P. H. License I think it is so you know. We talked about it for a while. Yeah just a lot of the efforts and stuff that he's applying himself at towards the conservation side of Africa and what's going on there. Africa's got some some challenges but you know so I mean he's he's in for the fight over there. He's doing a great job. I mean he's been part of conservation years and some groups that have really handled some things with the US fish and wildlife and some some of the countries over there right now which which will transpire. I mean we're starting to find some or not fine but we're starting to have some issues that I think are being overlooked not noticed here in North America as well that was certain species like grizzly bear you know and like some of the Predators Mountain Lions I mean we're we're already seeing stupid. Results adults from some of these states shutting down bobcat hunting and some of these Coyote Tournaments Predator tournaments and stuff that you see going on in some kind of results show you know basically stopping haunts for Bob Cats and and like isn't having an ill effect on the environment or I think it will in the long term. I mean you know especially in these take Mexico. I just I just you know I just shake my head. You know I I love the state of New Mexico and I'll not more more reasons than just hunting but you L. Shutting down shutting down a Bob Cats is absolutely ridiculous and shutting down being able to hold these basically these these as Predator tournaments. He's calling tournaments which is Coyote Fox. Bob Cat only problem. It's going to be a problem not only should the domestic ranting you know people when when their cattle or Cavin but it's also going to play a role on we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA see effect meal deer and elk population on the fallen side odd looking forward in the future and it's it's such a reality. I don't know if you if you heard it but I don't know about five six weeks ago. When I was doing the news on the podcast I was talking about the the Moose Popu- population and I can't remember exactly where it is but they reintroduced wolves to that area and now I think they had issued in ninety six when they reintroduced the Canadian wolves which was a different species of Wolf that we didn't have in the lower forty eight right. I was a much larger body. It's a timber wolf and some yeah took a dog that was twice the size and reintroduced it into to our habitat down here in the lower forty eight at the Shira's Moose and the L. There you go mule. Deer population didn't have to compete with and I mean yeah went in and totally annihilated you you know the Elkin Moose population in Yellowstone States Wyoming Idaho Montana but I believe I think it's Wyoming some somebody's opened up the wolf hunting again. I mean it finally is it finally knocked on the doors and said okay. Listen the mortality rate of our fallen crops between our elk and our meal there are Moose has been devastating stating catastrophic then took enough or answers to. I think that we're writing it off in the wintertime when their cows our cabin have to deal with this you know they issued. I think three hundred fifteen moves permits in ninety six. I think is when the walls were introduced and this last year I think it was seventeen or eighteen. They The ten th ridiculous yeah because there's just nowhere Moose left an estate of Colorado's now wanting to push that agenda you know and I believe Bobby that this is truly alien agenda by the anti hunting groups to to to push this type of reintroduction of these Predator species to try to to try to preach that Mother Nature needs to take care care of itself and that's just never going to happen not with people in the people in the mix and a Colorado is is looking at passing this bill to re to introduce introduce the same species of Wolf which is just stupid. I mean we've already northern Colorado is already seen the migration of those wolves that you're talking about that were released in nineteen ninety ninety six yeah to where they've already. I mean we've already found some of them dead on the on the interstates in northern part of Colorado where they're migrating down because they fed their way through those states and you know eating meals there and Elkin Shira's Moose in so Colorado does not need the introduction of the Canadian Timber Wolf. I don't understand Dan what would be the point in it like why would why would they want to do that. That's a great question that I don't have an answer to I mean they already know that. Even you know Colorado Arado at one time probably had the largest population in the United States and that's a dwindling number right. Now I mean there's still lots of Elkin the state they're not anytime harm but there's there's been a decrease in population and I think it has a lot to do with just natural disease you know that can hit any species but it's also population explosion explosion in Denver Colorado lately but I mean that was their last month. Yeah areas just it's growing huge. Residential area is exploding. Just like we see here. I would say tonio mean look around us. I live in Johnston Ranch House to house to house. Yeah there's deers. There's deer walking down the asphalt streets you know they they say say that. One of the worst reasons are one of the biggest reasons not to move to Colorado right. Now is because of the population increase yeah. It's it's created aided issues for some water or anything. No no no. It's created issues for traffic. It's created issues just for general enjoyment of your life especially in around Denver and all the people that are trying to get out of town to go enjoy the announcing sports. A thirty thirty minute drive on our drive is taken three four five hours because traffic is so bad yeah yeah no. It's ridiculous and I think back on the wildlife standpoint. I mean if you want to introducing a species as I mean that's what we are as conservationist million conservation we are here to a to protect and to sustain a healthy population of all species the wildlife habitat. That's around it but I think we need to be smart about it. I think when I think when the Upper States Montana and Wyoming nothing when they introduced the the timber knbr Wolf the Canadian Timber Wolves again with the different species. It was a much larger canine species. What is the indigenous species species to the lower forty man. That's a good question and we really haven't seen the gray wolf yeah the smaller group bigger than our coyote you know but not Canadian Timber Wolf. You're looking at one hundred fifty pound dog on a mature male Ale. Maybe even bigger in some in some cases I shot one in Canada and Northern Alberta this past year on a on a deer hunt chasing moose big male. He weighed about one hundred plus one hundred and fifty pounds and he was a young pup. I mean he wanted to put but he was a young doggy. What's I would say he was just hitting his prime but we've got to be smarter about these these transplants in these relocations and then we definitely need to manage that species just as much as we we need to manage all the other species into determine loosen Apex Predator. I mean you're talking about country that already lives with Grizzly bears and American black bears play havoc on on Moose cavs and elk calves and even adults B.'s adults of the same species in the you. WanNa throw wolves into the Max mix which is a pack animal that don't run rarely round and in singles they run into threes fours larger packs that so yeah yeah. Colorado needs to wake up and everybody needs to get on that bandwagon and be against that. Apparently they need to wake up in a lot of way they've got you know. There's always there's always some issue coming out of there. Now and you know we got broken into their. I think I saw that Ho man Estes Park to autumn though did they they had they robbed us in a bunch of other people and no no adults and adult male and female and I mean they were rough looking. I mean you could tell that they had been through the ringer but they caught autumn and Cintas like a questionnaire to fill out about what they did to us and like a victim impact statement and all this stuff and restitution so it was like you know we need to send it back. we've been so busy that we haven't done that but yeah they wound up robbing locker room at some country club they went in there and took out people's keys and they went out to their cars and made off with a bunch of money and then they got I'm the same people the same weekend got us and there was a really interesting story because I was telling faith telling my mom. I was like you know we. They robbed us us that Little Park while we were fly fishing yeah and within minutes they had been down to can't remember the name of the town but thirty minutes away and they were already charging our cards what we found when we found the window we lucked out in these county rangers drove in and one of them took faith up the hill to get service and she immediately started cancelling those cars and finding out where they were and those rangers within two hours had already been down to that Walmart and gotten footage so they are already using your car than Brooklyn but here's the thing if they hadn't robbed us. They may not have gotten caught because it was the evidence that we were able to give the Rangers yeah interesting. I really don't see how they would have caught him otherwise yeah they they a messed up when they robbed but anyways we're talking about predators and you came in my office and showed me a video yeah so i. WanNa talk about that yeah so so we're we're talking about the adrenaline journal in level and you know thinking about how to how to think and react in situations. This is like that and I'm telling you what just from what I saw on. The video reacted well. I can't say everybody would reacted like that and I can't even say that. I would've been that fast. Why don't you go ahead and fill everybody in and that story yeah so every spring. I go bear hunting somewhere and normally it's Canada this year. I just got back Sunday night on the the second of June and AH Central. BC Columbia. I thought man that British Columbia is a beautiful place. It's in the mountains I love mountain style mount style living and everything so went up and hunted with an Errand Fretilin Fretilin Guide service. He's got a jain normal territory of over one thousand nine hundred square miles and I think thank you know I think a Lotta people down here that are down here. Forget about what Canada has to offer species that are up there. There's just there's a bunch of different species you can but in the spring it's spring not for the for the black bear and as a nonresident with your your non-resident license you get tags and so I went up to spend a week in in film it for our television series trail and Hunter's moon and yeah had a had a fantastic we we used hounds for part of the hunt and I took a really nice bear with the use of hounds and that's something that I think is is just cool. It's just where they were all blue ticks. There is a couple black and Tan but most of them were blue ticks and big dogs. I've never been a big big big lanky lean. You know they stand tall. I think they weigh about eighty five ninety pounds but I mean and if you fat and went up to one hundred and fifty pounds and they're gonNA bill head head bigalow years in noisy but an unbelievable knows to put put them in a box on the back of a truck and drive down roads and when they strike ascent they liked the box up you know we had a bunch of that so a really cool experience I mean that's the the style of hunting bobby. That's been around. People don't realize how long that's been around. I mean before we ever had any type of modern firearms and even you know modern archery. Everything was yeah. People people used dogs for the put food on their table. So it's a style of hunting. That's been around forever and it's something I'd I'd like to do. Never done it up in Canada so this was the first time to experience that but took a really nice bear doing that and then for the second part of the haunt we we spot in stock bears up in this country. It's it's anywhere from farmland to rolling hills to then get into to their rocky mountains up there you know huge mountain ranges and we covered a little bit of all the bases there experienced install the different types of habitat terrain changes and yeah we it was middle the day we stopped for lunch. We'd seen some bears that morning. Hibernation was late for these bears. These bears have just have just come out of hibernation probably within the week to ten days before me getting there to start the hunt so they were all feeding on any of the fresh grass dandelions that were growing up on the sides of the roads which is what bears do because that's what gets digestive system going and gets everything moving after being in hibernation for six months or so so that's that's kind of what you focused on was list those primary areas where where there was a food source and and we had to stop for lunch our own food source and plus take a little. Siesta on a beautiful spot that we overlooked the mountains and just a when we wrapped up that and got back in the truck and started started our haunt again which we used vehicle to cover a a ton of country you know just just tons of square miles of driving. I haven't and spotted a bear cash probably about seven hundred fifty yards from us down a down a road that far away from the vehicle we saw him. Amo they stand out like a source. You know six days when you drive around looking at stumps and fallen over trees. There's a lot there's a lot of logging that goes on this as part of British Columbia and there's also quite a bit oil and gas industry as well so yeah so there's lots of roads. I guess I should say that's a lot of roads than in the forest there and so when a black bear stands out on the side of the road he's he's very noticeable something big and black you know an abnormal and we both Aaron my guide and we both looked through the binoculars in both at the same time kind of simultaneous. They submit looks like it looks like a good bear we need. We need to get a better look at him and we drove down and God probably within within three hundred yards and check the wind and the wind was wrong. We couldn't approach him from the vehicle side so we thought and how are we going to do this and bears airs or they're interesting. Black bears especially are interesting grizzly bears different black bear if they're on a food source and they're hungry like this time of year. When this time of year it's spraying. They've just come out of hibernation and they're they're breeding. Season is kicking off as well. They normally won't flee a food source real heavily emily unless you've really spooked him out of there so just doing a drive by in a vehicle normally won't they may they may scoff or second but if they're they're hungry and they're. GonNa feed modell. They'll usually come right back and that was the case on this bear we we drove by buggered off for about fifty yards and we went on down about one hundred yards park the truck on the side of the road and and by the time we got out of the truck and Kinda got into the tree line and started to do a little stock on the bear heat already moved back into where he was feeding and we're taping all of this for like I said our television show and what what the camera but we were trying to avoid on the cameras there was a double wide mobile the home there as well that was that was vacant and it was used by gas company. Oh yeah yeah because right next to it. I guess I don't know what you want to call it but like a service station you know a place where they checked gauges and pumps and everything else and you know. I I had told my field producer and the guide. I said you know I wanNA get close enough and look at this bear in in decide if we WANNA take this bear not but the issue is I don't WanNa have to explain on television. Why shot this bear in front of Somebody's Front Yard. Even though this was a vacant home you know belong to a business. It wasn't somebody's personal home. This was more or less than an officing station for an oil and gas company so to get the wind right and to get get around having to film or not film the facilities that were that this bear was close by we we snuck around the backside of this mobile home and and the bear had actually kind of started feet away and win was perfectly the wind in our face so we were able to approach the bear maybe we got about forty yards from him and look look them over really good and I don't know for some reason in my mind and my guides mind we thought the bear maybe shrunk in size and decided that maybe we had another another day and a half of haunting and decided to pass the bear but one thing we noticed while we were looking at this bear bobby was every time. He picked his head up and look around. He had a big old big old scar wound flesh wound right between his eyes right on top of his head that looked fairly fresh and me looking through my scope and my God looking through his binoculars. You could see other scratch marks. Look Bear Paul had hate him slapped him in the face so he'd had another running with bare. I'm sure they'll great yeah and as we as we were you know I mean it could've been could've been another board could have been a sal. I think what most people don't realize about bears both species black American black bears and Grizzly bears is that that in the springtime bears are an interesting animal. They will kill their own so you know a female that has cubs aboard. We'll try to kill those cubs to try to bring that female back into heat civil different than other species in your in your deer species and all that you don't won't see that you'll see to two bull elk fight over a female. That's that's he'd but you know they're not. GonNa do anything to its offspring ryo but in bed with cannibals yeah. There's IT's a different. It's a whole different ballgame so so anyway we we watch this bear for a little while got some some still shots and video footage almost as part of what we do for for the television in show and for the blogging and everything else we did this bear was given us all that opportunity in the wind switched in the middle of that and as soon as soon as I felt the wind hit me in the back of the neck. I knew the bear was gonNA. Smell at the same time and he did and his reaction was he kind of bolted and ran ran away from us and when he did did he straddled over some saplings some small little spruce sapling trees are little willow trees and that's what that's what a male bear will do. We call a bore sure and they do that to to lead their set. You know and it's also some a little bit of a domination posture of like hey this is is my area and I don't like that and my guide and I both notice that roundabout and it was a great great footage for the camera because I'm all about the camera you know yeah and especially for the hunting show me honey honey one camera there's hunting and there's hunting with a camera and they don't have anything to do with each other. I like I like the camera to get as much action as possible so doc said to bear the bear scared away from us but he did he did mark his territory on those on those trees and he got up on the on the gravel road and turned turned around and squared off when faced us in We look them over really good one more time like are we making a mistake and decided no. Let's let's let him go with not shoot despair even though he was a nice bear. Just something told me that we could find something. Maybe a little more special. Maybe something a little older and our vehicles parked to the right wing. See this footage despairs on the gravel road. You don't see the truck in the frame of footage but the truck is maybe seventy five yards is to the right and we need to go to the road and this bear as we started to kind of parallel the road the bear paralleled with us and he was definitely posturing but we see this commonly we we we had an average of probably a dozen bear encounters a day on a six-day. Hunt and some of the younger gablers postured a little bit basically sized dust up a little bit but every one of them spooked away there with us you know clapping her hands or just us moving or the wind swirling them not liking are sent they they butchered off this burden act that way and my guide on camera says I think we should go ahead and get out of here and leave the spare loan. If we don't WANNA killing and agreed in our reaction was we just stepped away started back up and step away from the bear quietly maintaining a presence you know talking in a normal tone voice just just like you and I are instead of going from a woman from whisper because we were sneaking up to the bear to talking until full voice what I think is what everybody should do yeah when you encounter or any type of wildlife any Predator like you're in their territory so always make make a presence and as soon as we a started to step away from the bear the bear step towards us. which is you know that's behavior that you gotta pay attention to and I had I trained horses for a long time before I got into the hunting business but I've had dogs all my life and I think all of us with a with a good sense of judgment can read an animal you know when he's going to give you any kind of warning? You feeling like something's not right here. It's a look in their eyes. It's a look in their body posture. you know. I've been bit by one dog in my life and I can remember it to this day that I should. The rates for that. Dang dog is the whole part of me was dog does not look like he likes me but I'm GonNa try to be his friend and and I got bit so that was the body language that this bear was definitely given us and then Aaron Aaron dismayed really you know kind of hollered at the bare kick dirt at him and threw his arms up in there and tried to scare the Baird it and buds. He did it again and the bear took another step to us. That's when you start getting a little yeah at the point they were. We're about. We're about twenty five yards from each other. You know maybe thirty at the most most and there's three of us so then the video you see that there's to me in the in my guide but the third person is the cameraman and all of that's kind of playing in my my head but it happened so fast bobby on after the second time he tried to Spook the bear off the bear just really squared up and and the next the next was a full charge the he he bounced off the road kind of into a ditch and Aaron yelled atom it again but when he yelled at him that third time that bear hit overdrive and he came I the and I didn't have time to I didn't have time to do anything but do what I needed to do. And that was that was shoot the bear you know and and it's super fast super fast. I mean my my my idea was to not kill this bear. I was hoping that I could pull off a shot and shoot the ground right in front of the bear the bear but to tell you and that's and that's honestly that's honestly what was in my mind and what. I was trying to do but the bear coming so hard that he you know by the time I saw grass and pulled the trigger. The bear come in that hard intercepted the bullet and you know. This is one reason why there's a lot of guys. What are you shoot. What kind of gun do you shoot and I like to shoot heavy calibres. I don't care if even if I'm deer hunting shoot a bigger gun you know it's recall doesn't bother me but I'm glad I had a bigger gun on that hunt for sure I think a smaller caliber in the form of a three or two seventy wouldn't have been enough energy at such close range to shoot a three seventy five with three hundred grain hundred bullet so you know I mean I've killed. That's what that's what killed buffalo and even elephants some of the bigger you know big animals with but there's and he even he took the shot all you and it turned around and ran away he absorbed. I mean I saw the bear. I saw him hunch up I wasn't real sure what I did. You know as far as did I make. A kill shot autre. If I did what I tried to pull off which was the ground and stop him even though I had a beer bear tag in my pockets you know what I mean so I wasn't. I wasn't having to shoot a bear air. That was going to be an illegal kill. I had a bear tag in my pocket but my job was to protect my guide in my field producer. Excuse me my field producer in bear ran across the road into the timber and I followed up and the bear held on the other side and he was pacing back and forth and growling at me and I thought Gosh you know at this time I wasn't sure if I if I had hit him but or you know hidden medically method to kill him you know and and the guy was in the road and found a found some blood and and we followed that bud trail in the bear went into the Bush but fifty sixty yards and I had a shot into him and I did kill him actually hit him in the lower jaw not that that's that's probably a blessing that I hit him there to stop him. He was probably two lunges from being on top of one of us. There's fifteen being feet and easy fifteen feet at full charge so freaky and I've been around bears a lot bobby. You know I don't I wouldn't say I think this is a lesson. Listen learn by all of us. It's something I've always known that you know later when we skin that bear and pulled the hide off of him this bear had been a fight he had bite marks we could see the canine all four k eighty nine holes in his forearms and his chest and his neck and that that fight could have been from a sow that had cubs he was trying to get and that fight could have been from another bore fight over south that that maybe wasn't heat but I think there was definitely he was in a bad mood. He was sore and he didn't WANNA tangle. Anything and we were just we happen to be. There and you don't know that that you don't know that when you approach any wildlife in the in the wild I have a ton of respect for everything that I want. My initial plan was to pass the spare. You know thought you know maybe he's not as good bear that thought he ended up being a great. Mary ended up being a seven foot bear. I mean he didn't give you all the choice to pass yeah he didn't he made the decision for me. You know and this is you know and the fact that this was right next to an oil and gas service station area that is occupied at some point during the day every day. you know this bear was going to have you. You know human encounters by other people in the in the area so you can't you can't ever take for granted I think and when you when you encounter in our situation like this that wildlife I don't care if it's a deer or Predator you know you don't know what they went through that day. You know what the main yeah and you just gotTa you. GotTa be prepared. You gotTA use your head and we and we were. We were not trying to harass this bear. We were trying to actually leave the scene and go to the truck and but this bear one. GonNa let us you know and I think about that. You know because you know br black bears are not nearly as aggressive as Brown payers but no not normally yeah and you know there's been several places where I could have run into one and seeing lots of signs stuff like that and I always wonder because I usually backpack or camp out in the back country bear spray and my pistol and I know that are better off with the bear spray yeah yeah but but you need a pistol I mean I think you're smart carry pistols. It's legal to carry a pistol anywhere in the back country. You should have one you just don't you don't know if you're going to encounter a grumpy bear this spare you know what I mean. It's not that you did something intentional to to create that charge. Yeah you just don't know what what's a lot of people backpack with their dogs. They go hiking with their dogs. You know and it can be it can be the center of a dog. You know that can create a charge because of us to say a female bear with two young cubs CBS. He knows you only only a threat only defending our territory even though you did nothing but I've seen the same with whitetail deer I mean you've probably living here where we have a large population. You've probably seen gene whitetail does dog. Oh yeah and kind of deal so these are wild. These are wild animals and black bears. Honestly more black black bear tax in there are grizzly or brown bear tax. Just don't really hear about him and is that because of proximity yeah. I think it's because the population of black bears is higher. British Columbia be alone had it boasts the largest black bear population in all of North America over one hundred fifty thousand bears. These bears definitely come into the urban areas. You know they visit the cities. They get in a garbage. There are racoons here in Texas Hill country. You know so human conflict is is with the animal is is is more so than with with brown bears or grizzly bears so you know so. I think that's why the the the conflict you you know. The percentage of conflicts between humans and black wears hires because of that yeah. I've always wondered what would I do. And what would it look like you know how would it be. I've tried I had to watch some videos and stuff but watching that video that you just showed me you know you're armed with a rifle a high-powered rifle with some high powered him and that sucker is the video like we were talking about earlier before we started. You can't really tell because video throws off that perception absolutely everything yeah but I mean it's like when he takes off running when you pull your gun up and fire over about two seconds. Is it even that long yeah I mean it's yeah I think the biggest thing is you know when you're in that situation situation we talked about this and it's my guide not and I actually talked about all of this prior to having this event happened because he's in the heart of Grizzly bear country and we saw grizzly bear sign every day. We saw six grizzlies in sixty days. My concern more was having a bump in with a grizzly bear especially when we were hunting with the hands when when we turn the hands loose on track we did everything in our power to make sure it was a black bear tracking not a grizzly track because we didn't want to be we want to be following a grizzly bear the difference too well. The tracks are much larger but on a I can send you some photos on the differences but a black bear black bears toenails when they walk don't touch the ground where on a grizzly bear their there are a lot longer insulin every step the ad the tips and the ends of those claws are digging into the ground so that's one way to tell the other way is on the hind foot of a black bear on the pad of the Hind foot they the foot is kind of oval-shaped the Pat Pat Israel and then on the on one side. There's a little bit of a v cut whereas on a grizzly bear be one solid kind of yeah that makes sense so yeah so any kind of soft ground or muddy ground or dusty ground you can really distinguish that so we were very careful when we're following tracks but but my God we had that discussion about him being embarrassed country many outfits even in the fall with hunters that hunt come to hunt Moose Rocky Mountain elk and mountain goat mule deer her whitetail rocking on bighorn sheep in the higher elevations of his concession and a lot of those conducted by horseback. You know it's a ride in deal deal and you're going to have those encounters with grizzly bears and you know the whole making and yourself presentable making yourself be bigger than them making being calm being calm and collected in this situation with this black bear. My guide made every attempt to do that and you saw on the video with the reaction was of the Barry Hair care at all I mean had we not had a firearm bobby the truth the reality situation was going to get hit. You know maybe even two of us you know somebody somebody or two of US probably going to be an end up in the emergency room from a a bear attack in a bear attack from a black bears not pretty. There's so much power in the front end of those bears I mean they can climb a tree in the blink of an eye and there's so much power in the shoulders in the front end and that's just one of those things slap you would would rip you ride open. You know so I thank you know looking back at the situation. Had we not had a firearm with Eddie been you and your wife and kids on a on a on a on a walk in Estes Park. You know the best thing would be to do is to try to maintain your cool as much as possible as big as you can. Keep Hollering at the bear and if if the bear did attack would be to go into the fetal position and one of you try to grab something a log stick you you know some heavy enough to scare the bear off. You know bear sprays to something. I think you should always have on you if you're going to take a walk in the country in the back country bears. There's you said something when we were talking before we started recording you were talking about the difference between a grizzlies false charge any black bears false charge and how a grisly will when. I thought I heard you say was a grisly will do a false charge more so than a black bear for black bear comes yeah yeah he's come and talk a little bit about that so in my experience with bears and I'm not been around bears in the lower forty eight black black bears from you know. New Mexico out all the way out west and up into Canada and and up into Alaska and I've hunted The island bears from Vancouver Vancouver Island in Southeast Alaska which are some of the biggest bear species talk to the farmland bears in central Canada and so so my theory on this and in this goes based off even hunting with all the outfitters that have honey with bears on that have gathered this information on and just playing. You're just pure experience. Being with the bears is your grizzly. Bears are are are spookier species. They're more attentive. They're more alert an encounter with them. Normally will result in them spooking off rot away. You know they just they. They're not real personable and they don't really want to be bothered. I'm not GonNa say that you you start a one you walk up while star one or you walk on where he's gotTa kill and he's got it buried and he's laying off in the Bush that he won't defend his territory that they will lil Mama Mama with cubs but my experience with with a lot of the grizzlies is they will almost always posture once they've been startled and and they will wolf fetch you know pound the ground and they make them up charge at you but normally holding your ground and making yourself be as bigger bigger than them. We'll spooky new speaker bear off with the black bear. Black bears are usually usually very more docile. They're like I said they're not. They're more they're not. They come into the urban areas they. They were people live. I mean they like to get into the garbage. They're more. They are carnivore but they're more of a herbivores. Here's where armed revolt. Which one is it that it's the it's an omnivore aides everything every more herbivores than they are? frogs eat grass they eat berries is the heat dead stuff they more gatherers and they will kill young elk calves endear cavs and Moose calves and that of that that sort but I had a guy tell me one time that if you ever see a black bear and he's faces all scarred up that's the bear you should probably kill because is that bears. GonNa that. There's GonNa be a problem bear for somebody and you know whether that's a true statement or not. I will say that the bear that charge that's exactly what what he had. He had a fresh one right above his right eye on his right on top of his head. He was a scrappy bear scratch mark. You could just see you could see every call that he got slapped with across else's face and like I told you we scanned him and he had all those bite marks but I think my experience when a black bear charges he's he's committed. It's not gonNA stop you know when they're when they're out there at a distance from thirty forty yards and they're popping their gills warning and or they'll will get you a little bit or they'll walk real stiff legged kind of like they're kind of like they're pouncing the ground all of that is warning the normally when they throw that warning of that's my warning to clap my hands real loud and get out of here bear and raise my voice and for twenty years. I've always had them run off and go the other way but but I've always been told that when black bear decides to charge there is no charge the grizzly bear with mark charge. Some guys may say hey. I've had a grizzly bear charge and he came in and maybe maybe that's true Mike experiences. I've had a mock charge in Alaska and in western Canada and just making a ton of noise you know even firing a shot in the air has scared them off but the black bear I think if he's coming if he decides to hit hit that gap full-gallop and then into Iran. There's there's no stopping them and there's not not much you can do if you don't have a weapon and you don't have something to hide in the hope that you can maybe get around a tree and ninety runs on by but there's nothing you can do. I mean you know you're going to get bit. I think that if you're not by yourself you stand in a good chance of getting away. You know you may get scrapped up a little bit but me in their world being in the ocean with sharks. You know you have to accept the fact that you're in their world and if they want to eat you they're going to eat you yeah and I mean looking back at this bear. I had had to put myself in that bears Paul's for her second. He'd had a bad day. Hey kicked his but something made him grumpy. He's probably little stoved up and sore and here we are. We snuck up on him not bothering him but when the wind swirled we were a threat to him. You know just the fact that he smelt us and there were three of us and you don't you know you gotta wonder what they're looking at. You know are they looking at us. As another bear they look at us as any other source of danger and and in this case I mean he made that decision for himself so well. I'm glad you guys are all right and you've been generous enough to share that video with me and put it on yeah. Put It on my my stuff. I think I wanted to share the video and share the story bobby. I WANNA called US and said this may be a cool story is is you know all the challenges that were faced with educating the public about hunting and conservation hunters do for conservation but more importantly what what the people are going to have to deal with with wildlife you know the people in the inner cities will never experience this as long as they stay in the city you know but there's a lot of us that are moving to the outskirts of the city and we don't have bears here in. Texas hill country. We do have some bears in West Texas. People don't realize that are protected but you know for the states out west that I mean I have a home in Angel Fire Mexico. My family has a home and we have bears up there. You know people like to walk their dogs and go for a high and there's mountain biking trails in. There's that these that these occasions these encounters or real yeah and we all need to be about how we handle them now. They're very real and it's always something that's on my mind. Whenever I'm you know backpack with the kids or whatever you know I don't let when we're in bear country from outline country yeah outline the same way there was a mountain online right outside the lodge at big band people were in there eating food at the restaurant and there's just a mountain lion chilling right there watching. Everybody and I don't let my little ones. You know we're on a trail. I make sure that they're right there with us. You know they can't be straggling behind and they you can't be too far but far ahead because you know a child. Alone is an easy target for anything smaller than than the Predator yeah. It's it's just crazy. Most most human conflict most encounters with lions bears bobby in in the populated areas. They're going to be there's conflict where the animal becomes a nuisance animal or chard stories attacked. I think most of them are are older animals of the species they can't they can't can't compete. They can't catch a full grown deer. You know their canines normally worn down or they've got a broken tooth or they're already kind of in a downward spiral. You know malnourished. I mean we see a lot of that kind of stuff or they're injured or hurt. Black bears live to be about what fifteen something like that. I think some of them can even live longer than that. You know they live for a good while but you know you think about an animal that spends half the year in the ground and everything slows down their metabolism everything they don't eat for six hundred talk about they come out and that's what that's what they have to do to survive as eat you know and they start off by eating grass and roots and flowers hours of things to get that digestive system going gut moving again and then they move on to bigger and better things more protein sources so that they can put on the weight all summer long for for them to go back to sleep again in the winter interested to know and I'm sure they've done studies but I really would be interested to know like your average black bear boar or sell. You know how how many kills in the months that they're not hibernating do they actually make and that's a great question. I can't answer that from a bear but on a lion mountain lines they'll kill every day or every other day wow you know and so but they don't need it all at one. Don't eat it all the time. They go back to the cat. They all eat it on it for a few days or a couple of days but when the meat starts to get a little rancid or sour they'll kill again. You Know Uh bears. I think I think bears bears lead anything rotten or fresh. You know I mean bears elite old fish carcasses garbage to will the bear bait that people put out when they ask US ghosting yeah. There's some of those provinces up there in Canada and some of the states in the Lower Laura Forty eight we allow bear baiting and it's done with anything from crispy cream donuts lucky charms to old Cook Greece to you know oats and in this fish scales. Have you ever ends you ever tried the best record in beaver run beaver okay. We haven't tried that in the rod beer from a beaver dam that you would. I hear you. I was going to say jet puff marshmallow cream. Oh yeah man absolately peanut butter. We'll bring in raccoons like crazy. I wonder if it works on can Greece in Orioles Dude Yeah. They're they're. They'll eat just about anything but I think you know at the end of the day. We're going to see more of this. We're going to see more more humans encountering bears. It's already happening in California. Let's let's just take California for example. Bruce shut down the mountain lion hunting. You know look at the encounters with amount of lines moved into urban areas got tons of I mean I they move in and they start killing you. Now your neighbors to Wawa House cats everything else and it's just it's just a they move up to the food source. We talked about it earlier. In the podcast about the you know the the Wolf Wolf introduction these wolves that have been introduced to Wyoming and Montana are now on their own moving south because they've their way all the way through those states you know and so it's really important that the Predator hunting is is managed in control. We don't need it to go away. We we remove it from these areas and there's going to be problems in these these areas you know we need to protect the bears we need healthy sustainable utilization populations of predators just like we do have our elk and our dear and everything else and the only way to maintain that is through is through hunting hunting and trapping yeah you know we don't want to get rid of all of them but we want there to be a balance so that everything else including including US humans can enjoy what we had out. There is a playground to go enjoy okay now when you and I did. The podcast was back in February. Yeah you were gearing up. I think a couple months later it's still raining outside by the way folks over here that noise. It's not raining cats and dogs outside. You're going to go to Spain to go. Ibex hunting. I had to cancel so I actually had to cancel my first two hundred years. So this was my first of the year I was supposed to go to Spain and I was supposed to go to New Zealand. Okay Okay and I canceled going to Spain because I had a family member that was not doing well and so I sent my my co host and my good friend Larry why suny anyone over there and hunted species of Ibex the day and the Rhonda Ibex and how they do they did great they were successful on both. I could send then you some photos of that so you can kind of see what that'll be. That'll be episode for the twenty twenty season okay. Ds's Trim Hunters Moon and then our good friend Jason Gallus wasn't doing too well. When I was supposed go to New Zealand and yeah I travel so much and I'm gone so much all the time and friendships are important life life life still good for me and I I wanted to go see my the buddy my fishing buddy while he was down at the time who's who's doing much better now so I postponed that trip to go visit visit him but so yeah this this British Columbia be a bear hunt and all that was first of the year so it sounds like it was an exciting young yeah made up for made up for having to cancel the other two wasn't ex. Let's see that's next. I'm going to go on access deer actually next weekend pretty cool thing. I got an invite. There's a guy over the burn area that is yeah. I don't know if you've heard of it yet. I'll get you in touch with him. He is making access to your calls and is calling these access tags in during the REU which is right now right now on the road is is this time of year June and July and so he he's reached out and wanted some exposure on this and I you got to be kidding. This is cool. I loved I loved rattle whitetail bucks during the Rut down South Texas or anywhere you know that that I can so and be calling in limbo L- elk and even Colin and Moose and and so you hear the access. You probably haven't been your backyard. Yeah you live screaming and hollering the first time I ever heard what is that when I finally realized what it was here all all the damn time yeah so so this this guy has invented a call and that he's having having a tremendous amount of luck with and so we've been we were on the phone today I went over and visited John Double Tax and then this guy called. We're going on your sister. Dell Texas next weekend so don't get too close to home very often ain't gonNA spend three days with him and see about calling in a big access book and getting all that on camera are making that an episode and probably sharing and giving some exposure to him on social media and maybe we should about with you guys I would love you to yeah he's local local and he's wanted to push the Texas market. He probably Texas market so we do a John and I John has a lease over there. We do this this year. We I think we did three. Turkey hunts out there yeah and we shot some hogs and he's taking me out there before. He took my son deer hunting out there. It's probably not far from where you are. It's just right outside assist Dale Dale when I was probably junior high or high school myself. We had a release out there. I can't remember exactly where it was right down the little bitty town of three three little town of sister. Dale and then took a left and cross the creek there yeah and it was all that country ride around in there so I'm not real sure where this is but sister Dale areas where it's gonNA hunting out. There's lots of stuff and access to your what you can't. You can't beat that Venison. No I mean I don't know why why so much different than why tail and everything else we know Lauren Conklin. Hov Hunterston yeah so she was she was in here two weeks ago. Oh great yeah. She does more marketing members and West. We went to high school with hooked me up with her yeah. She's married to him yeah. Oh Yeah Wisconsin yes right and she came in here. We talked talked about that and she said her mom won't eat till book yeah. She won't touch white till bucks. Oh wait till do but access. Yeah shouldn't care man. It's it's a great. It's a great venison listen. It's my favorite probably. Steering Moose meat the two that to my favorite what is the most me like. I've never had it well. It's it's better than access there. I mean you say access deer and if you can imagine it being this better you know and I hunted this past Alaska. I wanted this past year in Alaska and we shot a big bowl and we we had some pancake batter. I mean we just put them. buttering scale it and cut up tenderloin in through skillet was like is better than eating doughnut it bites. It's it's really good yeah. It's it's Moose probably my all time favorite and then then access stairs peers right there behind it and everything else comes behind those I'm going to have to get a wholesome moose meat then yeah yeah would love to when you have time when I when I have less kids at home here you got the DNC social of Texas this chapter this weekend in Curve Curve Yep at a DNC members home in the Carville area. That'll be nice. They sold out that event for about seventy people subtly nice to go see familiar faces and hopefully meet some new members as well that chapter organization is really doing well. I think they're they're pretty much. The the lead the league chapter for everybody to for all the other chapters to kind of follow so I'm really I'm really proud of that chapter and honored to be associated with them. They have a fantastic board and they're doing some great things raising money for education hundred advocacy so get mad to put me to work now that I'm a member yeah man and and that's what I encourage. Everybody is if you like to haunt. You know. It doesn't matter how you haunt. I don't care if you're just a a bird hunter or just a weekend deer hunter or if you're are an international or you all over the world. I mean this. This is an organization that welcomes anybody and everybody and it's truly Dow Safari. Club is an organization that billy is boots on the ground and is fighting the fight for for US hunters and for wildlife in for hunter advocacy and hunter education so It's important right now. I think I think you knows with with the people that you talk to and you interview and hunting is scrutinized heavily because social media the and some other outlets and just a little bit just a little bit yeah and there's people out there really trying to take away from us and there's not a lot of organizations out there fighting in the fight and didn't DNC as one of those so I mean it's it's not expensive to become a member and now every membership every membership counts and that's what it goes towards and then of course they have their their convention every year in January in Dallas which is just it's a playground for for hunters a lot of cool stuff. I got a certificate. I've got some swag got stickers and some Asian and stuff like that and I think a pen or something like that yeah some cool stuff in there yeah no oh it's cool and they do a lot of great. They have a lot of great events and then they're chapter program. They've got chapters now developing all across the United States and then we have the one here which is DC south Texas which is pretty much all all of our Texas Hill country area to Austin and all the way down to the valley is included in that chapter area and so no membership if you're a member FDIC. You're a member of the South Texas so you just you just kind of click on the I think I had to click on what if there was a chapter that I wanted to say. If there was a chapter I wanted to be associated with yeah. Yeah okay so there's something we've got to talk about before we get off topic too much and forget about it so John. Reeves leaves sent me this link and already seen it but I hadn't really thought about it much and apparently the new law was passed where you can haunt feral hogs without a license yeah yeah. I saw that governor Abbot just past that just a few days ago days ago and I was like well you know we gotta get rid of these. Damn things whatever whatever and then. I was on Texas lawyers outdoors. It's a facebook page. I'm a member of the Texas lawyers in their Texas lawyers outdoors doors and we all get on there and kind of act like it's and talk about stuff but brought up a really good point and I want to know what your your perspective active on this would be lost revenue for TD PD and licenses that people are going to buy because they don't need a license to Hana Hog anymore no hunter's safety course for those people and they're using weapons and guns in the name of hunting and hunters yeah without the training and the experience is that we have what do you think about all that yeah. I'm glad you asked that question. I saw the assault the announcement before I went to British Columbia on this hunt and thought and I didn't get to really study Eddie People's feedback on it and then I think yesterday that he passed it. You hit on some really great points. My opinion is no we. I shouldn't have done it that way. Hunting license for a resident here in Texas is not expensive combos like sixty five dollars or some thing. You don't even have to buy a combo. No you're going to go to go. I think you can just buy regular license to hunt hogs or any exotic. I think that and then like twenty five bucks twenty five thirty dollars. It's it's very reasonable and and you you hit on something very important yeah. That's that's that's a that's income that that the state needs needs to put towards all while conservation projects and efforts so. I don't know what it's going to how badly we're a little bit too badly because most guys that are gonNA shoot. hogs are going still hunt deer and everything else so they're still going to have a license license or if they want to go fishing. They're still going to have that Combo license. That's exactly one of the points I said you know. Most of the people are still gonNA buy license for other but I still think that I still think we should of cut that from you know us being able to have a budget and add to that budget. I also think that on one hundred education side of things. I think that that's crucial so right now that that stays enforced because just everything else that we're fighting. I mean I know we're Texas and a lot of people WANNA. We WanNA follow the Texas model but I think that yeah I don't think governor. I don't think we thought about this really really too well. It's kind of like we went back and they wanted to all they want to invent some sort of poison to try to poison these hogs dogs which would have poisoned everything else. You know what I mean. That was kind of just wasn't thought through very well and luckily that didn't come to pass but maybe that maybe in time I'm that they'll they'll adjust this. This may be a trial and error deal. We do have a hog problem here in the state and even I think bobby that by by initiating in what they've put into place. I don't think it's GonNa fix the hog problem all that much anyway I mean we should we started on this a long time ago. Oh and hogs are even though there's a lot of hogs being shot in the helicopter hunting and everything else it's gotten popular. It seems like hogs are still you know exploding and other other areas a disgusting thing about feral hogs is that at nine months a sow is grandmother yeah nine months yeah absolutely and the letters are big and you know what I think about is how how destructive they are and all that stuff but you know it's like they breed read so fast yeah that unless you're killing a bunch of them you're not really making a dent you can't and you can't track them all because they're smart at the very smart animals once he travelled once or twice they get pretty smart too that trap and they're not going to trap them in large groups anymore. Bulletins smell to if they smell you al they're not coming around for a while yeah but here's what I was wondering if I was talking to my dad about this. Because how much do you think that the the feeding the feeding of deer and Texas has exacerbated the hulk situation because those hogs have access to corn all the time yeah no it. Does I mean you know we. I look at Texas. Even the Texas Hill country where more of an arid climate you know not not that as a desert but some months as we are in food sources are very relied on and a lot of the Texas ranchers in Texas today feed their wildlife. It's just a part of sorry Texas property now the window absolutely absolutely I think the supplemental feeding that that we as humans do with our wildlife on our own private properties definitely impacts the growth of of the wild hog because if we didn't do that hogs would have to move to where there's a water source so you wouldn't have them all the time on your property but if if they have a little bit of water and they have a food source they're not going to go anywhere you know but to get back on answering your question on the license. Do I just feel like that. I think everybody should have a hunting license I really do. I think that that I think it makes you legal. It gives you ground to stand that. I do things legally and I do things the right way way back and you're giving back yeah absolutely. I don't have a problem buying a licence. I really don't know what's thirty dollars. Yeah everywhere I go fish. I don't ever try to I by the non-resident license for three to five days or five days or whatever yeah because you know. I'm using their resources and yeah that's the right thing to do. It's the league thing to do and it puts money back into allowing somebody else or me to come back and yes that same resource yeah for Sherman. I look at it to like. Oh like on handguns. I mean you know if you WANNA you. WanNa carry a handgun. You know whatever your reason for it and you have a license for carry it all day long. You know if if you don't have a license for that pistol you're not somebody. That's very familiar with that pistol. I don't want you carry in it. Yeah you know you might shoot the wrong person yourself yourself. You know so I mean. I think that I think it was arrested decision. I'm not really sure who was behind all of that. some other people may have completely different form form an opinion on it but when was the bill even introduced. I mean that's that's kind of. I would like to know the lifeline of the bill because I know this has been a problem and it's been a discussion throughout Texas for a long time but from the time the bill was introduced to the time it passed. How long was that. I really don't know it was it was news to me. When I said I saw a week ago we can half ago the discussion about it and I think I just saw yesterday that it did that. It did pass so we'll see what impacts I don't see that it's going to in packed release eliminating this hog problem that we have. I mean everybody you know. There's a lot of processing places now that don't take the hogs you know oh because of trick and knows this and some other things that these wild just nasty who wants to work yeah exactly but there was a time where people people went through the efforts and did a lot of work to trap these pigs to take into processing places to feed soup kitchens and orphanages in different places in that but you know FDA in in some of the laws and rules behind their now now don't allow those those animals you know. I know I'm very careful. Would you know I'm always carefully this time of year. Sometimes wore nothing I wanNA honesty with any any pig right now. Flea infested taken fest yeah old parasites and worms and so I mean you got to be more careful with them than you with the white tail but the the beauty of the white tail in September yeah you know I it's usually cold and the parasite level is usually lower and now the fleas and takes and stuff are lower our hogs. You know it's just the trick is what always kind of freaks me too. I mean and if I if you're landowner in your feet and your dear you're raising dear. You're raising other exotics. I mean look at it this way. You gotTa have permits for all that yet to permits and licenses to shoot even on your own property and I think that that's just part of a management tool man you know shoot every hog you have on your property pile them up Barium and you know with the baco Burnham but you still have to permits to raise your on your property to permits ship ship dare yet permits to move exotics. You have to have a hunting license to hunt deer on your own property as well and I think that's just it's just a general rule that you know. Let's let's not break. Take this up and make it confusing because I think what's going to happen now. Is You know people are going to say well. I'd have to have a license to shoot that hog and shot him on my property. Why do I have a license to shoot this dear you know and it could it could cause a slippery slope people or different nowadays they are and I could I could see that being an issue you know and even if if if they get caught even even if they you know there's there's blowback from it. That's still one less dear you know. If you shoot one good genetically gifted a low fence Buck Yep and you're not supposed to that's one less bucking the system. That's one less bug that can be hunted. It's who who knows how many less bucks could bread right right and you didn't have a license to shoot it right. That's that's sad to me waste of resources totally then it's against the law on black and white so I get it yeah so yeah I don't know I I wish they would have kept it as you have to have a basic hunting license twenty five bucks yeah you know so. We'll see what plays out on that. Maybe there's something else too. We don't know or something you know something. We're not thinking but I think ultimately you know we just on the surface yeah I I. I was like cool you know and then when I saw that comment I was like you know that's I was busy. I wasn't really thinking this through yeah. I wonder you the other thing. I wonder that it can open up what can open up to me in. My opinion is a gray area. There okay so hogs are not a native species to the state of Texas. You know so there is no general season for them. You just had to have hunting license correct right well. The same goes for hunting exotics here in the state. I mean access deer black buck all dead seep deep anything that is found throughout all of the Texas country and other parts of Texas. I mean but right here in our county where we live bobby. We have access to data roaming free. It's free range. You can go on every every day. You can shoot ten a day Lawson's. So where do you draw the line there. You know what I mean. What's next. Are they gonNA say well. You don't need a hunting license to hunt. I bet you anything exotic so it's going to be the next push. Here's what that law says. I Bet I bet if we could get a copy of that law. It would say something like whereas the State of Texas finds that the feral Oh hog population is extremely What's the word I'm looking for a when they're tearing stuff up and AH extremely destructive and have a high breeding capacity? There's probably something that because they probably thought of that you know yeah. Let's make sure that people understand that. We're allowing this to happen because the species is so destructive to the environment yeah whereas a access to your is not you know. I have a debate on that. I mean access to your primary. Brinson is right now but they also do breed year round and they we are a bigger animal than our than our native species on once they're becomes more access than there is why till they become competition for the white tail and the white till habitat because the access to your like goats. I mean why tell dear browsers. you know axis deer eat everything they browse the trees eight. Lee You know so so I mean we're going to see that. They also run in bigger her yeah. We're going to see that ship and it goes back to you know dislike. We're talking about with predators. There's you know you gotta maintain and manage all species because you gotta maintain all the habitat for those species as well. If you ruined the habitat one species that species is going to diminish you. You know so I I you know that's where I see problems. In the future with the axis deer they're going to they are a competition for our for our native species you know and I know of some ranch is further west than the hill country that are shooting a bunch of access tiered. It's not down the numbers so that the white male population that that thrive on on that country or are doing well you know and that the habitat is doing well for those white tailed deer well. I've we got always remember that are native species are important. You know that's how as a hunter from myself. I mean it's important that is you know that are white tailed deer and what's been here forever. You know list remains sustainable and and is taking care of yeah There's a you know it's funny because we looked for places to haunt all the time and then there was this guy this guy this lady that live in our area and you know they've got enough acreage to whether it's like oh you. WanNa shoot an accident here. Yeah come over yeah you bring up bring bell and so slade who's been trying to shoot a bow a deer with a bow forever. He's taken two shots and missed one yeah and just barely missed one. The deer -ducted and then just flat out missed the other one. He is like doing whatever he can to redeem himself. They said you know what you can come over sheet an access and so I think in the next couple of weeks he's going to go do that. Good show but yeah. It'll be fun good but yeah. It's kind of cool on what's Nice about Texas. I mean the resources that are here. I mean the hunting. That's a that you can do on the offseason because of the exotics here. I mean I'm GonNa Hunt. They access to your next weekend. I'm looking forward to it. You know and I'm GonNA fill my freezer. Hopefully one maybe two you know but the back strap though the the free press but yeah that's what's great about. Texas is we have state that yeah we've got a lot of species we can hear non native species but again. I think that hunting licenses important across the board for for giving back to the state and everything else yeah I I kinda I kinda against Governor Abbot who I who I like and who leveaux four but I think that that was a and my opinion around call and you're you're probably one of many people that that think so and you know. I was glad that I read that to kind of open up my mind to think okay yeah. I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective but yeah so when you when the fall rolls around where you'll you'll have plans as far as where you're going to be we are going to be doing. I'm busy this fall. I've got a really busy season. Let's see October second. Go ahead to Alaska. I'M GONNA haunt big UGO. Sack preserve on the peninsula for the coastal brown bear so that's GonNa be a pretty challenging hunt that I need to start getting shape for actually those hunts the weather in the fall can be just terrible Saudi. You get get in shape for hunt. What do you do yeah. I do a lot of cardio. You know just elliptical cardio just be prepared to have my legs underneath me. You know some leg lifting just be able to walk. You know be able to have my legs and walking on. That stuff looks easy but it's not you know it's saints and it's your stepping up and stepping down even though it looks like it should be flat boggy. It's soggy muddy and you're going to be wet must probably ninety five percent of the time because it rains a lot. During the fall. The winds hurricane force winds wins. It's a miserable miserable hunt but that's the most fun though yeah I mean adventure. The adventure is is all is what I live for but and then as soon as I finish up that that I drew a I drew a tag rifle tag of a lifetime in New Mexico on the virus Caldera which is ninety thousand Acre preserve their central New Mexico how often what what are the chances that you would draw a blue man. I've got some angry friends at a very first time. I applied and I drew the second rifle awful season tag. It's October eighteenth or nineteenth. Where's that it's New Mexico and the virus Caldera so yeah. It's a it's. They produce a lot of big bulls. It's the the the I think the L. Kurt in the Vallis cutters between twenty five hundred and three thousand and they only issue twenty tags a year and it's a draw for all but you know new Mexican. What's cool about New Mexico. Is it's a lottery you don't have to have you don't have to build preference points like Colorado and all that it's you know anybody can put in anybody. It has just as you know has the same chance of drawing as well so I I put in for that tag and put in for desert sheep rock mound bitcoin sheep in I xe tagged onto Florida mountains in southern New Mexico and I drew the tags so soon as I get back from Alaska. I think I have two days and I gotta go to to New Mexico for that. How much does the tag so it's broken down individually but I spent between Oh my me asking I spent about forty two hundred or forty four hundred dollars but that was putting infer the elk and the two sheep species in the Ibex species so I yeah I think I want to say that AL was around. Maybe four hundred to six hundred bucks 'cause I got the rest of my money back and draw. Oh that's cool yeah yeah. Aubin put in now yeah yeah. I'll let you know when you can put in for Mexico. You have to put in for meal dear AARP wrong horn elk sheep. You have to put in for all of them. Yeah you can get landowner tags from private landowners but if you WANNA if you WANNA put in for the wilderness areas and for the for the trophy units you know you need to put in and you apply through the New Mexico game and fish department the website pay for it on credit card. If you don't get drawn you get your money back to keep a five dollar processing fee. That's a pretty cool deal. Yeah Yeah send. You're only going to get thrown for one right. Mr Now you could you could if you got lucky. You could get drawn more than one tag so yeah so. I'm you know I'm I'M GONNA. This is a really good. I've already got my oh. My My outfitter selected is going to help me help me on the hunt. Who knows the knows the area well and are you taking the crew yeah. I'm taking up too well. I'm only allowed to take five people so there's all kinds of laws and rules hunting this private this call Darrow. This is a nature preserve so it's owned by the national parks now at one time it used. I used to be privately held privately owned. What part of Mexico is so central North Central New Mexico. This would be only think uh-huh near Alamosa believe not far from where our government builds missiles and whitesands. It's north of the white sands did ways. I can't remember the name of this this area the Vasco there is was a volcano that erupted and it created all these big giant Gorges and valleys and and like I said it's about ninety thousand acres and that kind of stuff is rich in wildlife. Yes it's full of everything you know. Some of it burned not too long ago. I mean a lot of that's already growing back but yeah it's yeah it's it's it's very taking care of the state has a oh they passed a bill where when the when the when the preserved sold like I said it was owned privately and it changed hands a couple times and it was set up into a trust and then the trust sold it. I believe I believe is how it worked in the National Parks Systems bought it and when the National Park Systems bought it they wanted to shut down all haunting to it but because of the trust working with the state they implemented a program where you know wildlife conservation while like management had to had to continue on through the through the form of hunting thank God yeah exactly so so the national parks has to allow hunting but with the national parks has done is they've they've taken away your your rights and opportunities to be able to access the ninety thousand acres with vehicles or UTV's so you can only access it by horseback or by foot and you can't overnight within the within the park place ninety thousand acres and you can't overnight now you have to you have to leave it every night. It's pretty frustrating bull so you'd have to camp in the National Park ground right next to it and of course back in you know so so you always going to be limited yeah yeah limit on how far I call. I mean unless I just ride all night on all day and ride all night to come back out but tracking something. Y- yeah camp out there. You're tracking a you can't set up a camp. It's what I've been told only allowed to take five people in so like you just have take a long nap. That's what I just took a long nap up against a tree. You better have a really good really good horse or a really good meals told my God so yeah. Five guys can go in so that'll be me and a camera guy and then a outfitter and two guys that'll help him. You know so but you know it's a tag of a lifetime. A lot of big bulls come out of there. The success rate is good. New Mexico had a great winter as far as a lot of moisture and there are already having a great supreme with a lot of rain so I expect some really good Adler Development Outta those bulls Come this fall so what's your. Pr Bull pull out. My personal bests haven't killed any really giant killed some of killed some nice out in in the low three hundred three three ten three fifteen. I've got my expectations set pretty high on on this hunt for three fifty plus yeah. I mean they. They produce a two or three four hundred inch bulls out of this area every year. I think the average is in the three fifty is a real safe bet so anywhere between that three three fifty four hundred mark you know. I've been known to carry a lucky. Sam Rock around because I've had some good haunts enough. MICO part my partner on the TV show. He's been waiting for me to shit that thing out so he could still have it as well so I'm hoping I'm still carrying that with me. When I go then after that we got we got some really great. Deer Hunts and South Techs GonNa try to hunt Texas mostly Bob. It's something that I've gotten away from that permits for Yeah. I miss it. No personal reason why getting away from it was just my career. My job is taking me other places you know and little bit yeah yeah and you know and I just I this is where all started for me and I loved South Texas Brush. Country and I love the hill country too so I've got. I've got a hill country haunt and I've got. I've got some South Texas Hans and I'm. I'm actually going to look at a ranch on Monday to possibly lease up down in the county okay. It's got some really good dear on it and maybe lease some of that ground up with some oh my sponsors and have a have a fun playground in in the fall here to go. That sounds good weekends at so. That's it no I've got I'm working on okay. maybe one more international trip before the end of the year that would be the first week of December and that being the country of Turkey hunting bays or Ibex backs Lana Metro anion ocean so not to be a really cool experience if that gets put together but that's not finalized completely yet so how about you you really have to get ready for those aunts well under normal circumstances during an earlier time of the year yes but I've chosen to hunt them in the data winter so they come down to hold on okay but yes they still in very steep steep country. understand that the recovery process of some of those Ibex Vex if you're successful can be quite a challenge just because of the bluffs and cliffs that they tend linger around in so shooting one is one thing recovering. It will be another so how much you know. I've never had to worry about that. You know and I was just track dear whatever shall but when you're when you're hunting in an area where recovery could be impossible careful full when you take a shot I mean how much thought are you putting into okay. Where where's this sucker going to drop yeah. I mean how how there is a lot of that. You know last time you and I talked. I'd gone to as John. Yes and same kind of thing so yeah. There is a lot of that. Sometimes you're in a spot where it's just a no go situation situation. You know so we do take that into consideration because recovery of the animal is something that I'm a firm believer in his honor we do everything is possible. We can't recover that animal utilize yes I've seen and talk some guys that have haunted the Besar Ibex where I'm going to go and there's some repelling involved that sometimes you know so I totally try to leave that. Entrusts is that with my guides and let them make the decision. I never really got the God when I'm on. I don't feel like that. That's a hunter that that's my job. I'm paying paying for that for that service but you do me a favor and tell some of my clients that yeah and you never never ever. I mean don't lawyer the lawyer yeah exactly exactly exactly a man you know yeah. I I know exactly what you're talking about. I've got some buddies out have done the same thing and yeah. Just you know there's a the reason why you go with a professional entering courtesy and respect in because you're on their ground in their turf and once you pay somebody do something you're kind of looking at it like okay now. I'm I'm putting it in your hands. Allows me to relax and if it happens it happens doesn't it doesn't and if you're one of those guys that sit in a different expectation. You're doing this for the wrong reason I mean it's in might as well stay in. Hon Hai fence place and and and there's nothing wrong with that either you know but if you're going to go on a true wilderness alertness hot and you're going to go hunt we're going to go on that type of adventure. You need to keep an open mind and you need to be patient and you need to listen to the person who has experienced you know going into that type of back country. If you never been so you never never ever guide the guide. That's that's to me. That's hunting one zero one. You know when you're GONNA start hunting with outfitters or are hunter for like myself. That's gone all over. The world is you don't ever guide the guide yeah. Yeah so matt talked about that a lot too. You know I had asked him because he was this shared stuff like that. I asked him you know. What's the etiquette for somebody? WHO's paying to go on haunts you know and he kind of talked a little bit about that too on his episode of as far as well. You know you got to get a trust the professionals you've got to trust the professional. Let them do their job so he got like that. Especially in areas like Africa where you're dealing with dangerous game man I tell people all the time I'll elephants they're so beautiful in their some sleet and this and that they are beautiful and they're incredibly smart and probably the smartest mammal on the planet but they're extremely main they will kill you. They will kill you and they want to kill you. they're not dale offense. You see the at the at the zoo which those will kill you too. You know you're just on the other side of a big deep gorge ditch whatever and behind a fence or rail so yeah and then those situations when you're when you're when you're in those countries in urine terrain you've never been in you. Definitely listen to the person that is as you know is guiding you in leading new because there's more than just the wildlife there's other. I mean I've I've actually seen quicksand quicksand before. I've never seen real quicksand man we made when we were kid. We dug a hole seriously sand and we made quicksand just watched quicksand swallow giraffe. Oh my God odd and it was a terrible sight to even see but there was nothing you could do. How long did that take not as long as you would think really truly you know a shits deep. It's deep in the more or you move the more the faster you disappear you know so there's parts of Africa parts of Zambia was. Where is it wet. Yeah it's wet. It looks muddy. Yeah it kind of looks like a pool of water over some over Colucci area. You know how the water starts to dry and it starts to just kind of crack a little little bit on top but it's still moist. That's what it looks like but nudge in just Jello and so yeah. It's a time how how did that happen like the GEL. Come upon it yeah we well the the outfitter was aware of it but you know a lot of times you'll find this during their dry. I season and around sparse watering holes where the animals will go to water and they'll be some of these craters or whatever you wanNA call it that creates that suction and they'll it'll be in those parts so it's very very common for those areas to lose parts of their wildlife. You know yeah because a lot of times they'll get the familiar with it but a lot of times it will happen is your predators will force and push the wildlife into that situation you know and they'll l. Jump into that and the next thing they're stuck you know and they can't get out interesting to see a Predator chase prey into quicksand and then wind up in the quicksand. It's so I'm sure I'm sure it happens a lot of times. It happens were the prey can catch though that that deal pull it out of that that quicksand situation in heaven have an easy meal so again. That's just one reason you know when you go to when you go into the wild wild places that you know absolutely nothing about you. You'd listen to whoever's leading you on that on that deal. You know my bare charge. You know I mean my my guy did not say shoot but I knew the situation I was in and he said let's get out of here and it's pretty impressive. I was to leave with him to we didn't have we had to defend ourselves. I it was pretty impressive. I mean the video you know it's Kinda herky-jerky a little a bit but it's rare starts running and then there you are and just oh it's pretty impressive the adrenaline you know it happened so quick. I look back at it now and they went through my body. After after the fact I mean we we killed the bear. We recovered the bear. Some some gave all the respect to the bear photograph. The bear took the camp to skin the bear out and man that that was the whole process was probably a two and a half hour process. Maybe three hours it's gotta be a tunnel by the time we drug welcome to the truck and photographed and everything we needed to do and wanted to do for blogs and articles and and the TV show I got back to camp and and and we unloaded the bear and helped the God unload the baron too big skinny table and it just kind of hit me right there. I was like man something I just don't feel right. You know like I felt like like I hit A. I hit a wall at one hundred miles an hour and it was I I do think about it for a second but hands down. It was my adrenaline that just totally does do me correct you. Yeah I mean I. I thought I I'M NOT GONNA lie shit four times. I you know I was thinking man was that my lunch on shows like now that was just pure adrenaline running through the bloodstream and and took a shower and made myself cocktail and sat down and thought about the situation for a second and thought thought how real that situation really was that one of us was real close to getting severely injured that day or worse or worse so yeah yeah yeah well. The rain has stopped and I think that's probably about our cue to wind the sucker down. Go else you WanNa say or having me on. I couldn't wait to have you back. I appreciate what you're doing. I think there's a lot of podcasting is really getting popular and I think spreading the message and spreading the word around haunting what hunting is as for you know from a cultural standpoint but from wildlife conservation standpoint on wide so important and I think this the education part about what you're doing is is great. The message needs to be heard loud and clear and the more the more content we can put out there to raise that awareness is just spot on what we as conservationists need to be doing well. I appreciate what you're doing. Appreciate you coming back on yeah yeah anytime we did one late spring own one well. Actually we did one late winter. We're doing one late spring to late summer. It's dealing late summer and do one in the fall. Once we get into the heck yeah so the you know Texas Hunt Season's and all that wealthy full stories by then some other experiences but yeah spread the word man great work outstanding things Yup. Thank you Bali partner. Everybody all right folks. That's going to do it for episode. Nineteen of outdoor scoped hope. You enjoyed it. As much as I did. It was good times was good times but anyways I appreciate you. Don't forget like us on facebook at outdoor scoped follow us on instagram outdoor scope to go to the website and check out our web site. 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Survivor Series '94

Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard

1:47:04 hr | 11 months ago

Survivor Series '94

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I suspect that it's colder in Connecticut than it has an Alabama fair to say. Yeah I I would say that. You're probably about nine thousand percent correct. I think it is colder in Connecticut and especially in this year house limit than it is anywhere in the world North Pole Antarctica and eater Artika wherever the hell is its goal but this is colder. Well it's real cold is that we're going. We're going to go way back to survivor series. Nineteen ninety four last week covered survivor series. Nineteen Ninety nine and a lot of meat on the bone here at the height of WWe in nineteen ninety nine was the feedback. You got from last week's episode a mostly positive. I think that You know that was a lot of fun. SCUMBAG and revisiting. I don't think it's going to be you know. Here's one forty folks will. Actually you say that say that now. We'll we'll just disappoint him. I think he's going to be more fun this weight. You think this will be more fun. I do well. Well listen. You're sick you're tired. I don't know that this is going to be more than just. Because you're not your usual Bruce Prichard and fighting shave but nineteen. ninety-four is a very very interesting time in the company Saito least well. They're all interesting sometimes in the company thereby God and That's what makes this business. So Damn unique is that you don't have just It's is not the same thing every day that same thing every hour fuck sake of thanks. Change on a dime and businesses is exciting. Righty so you've got to keep up with it and move on and enjoy the ride where I'm excited. Because smackdown as coming to Birmingham next the way you're going to be in my home state and when cruise down and check you out with the first time I've got see in a little bit and looking forward to catching up and Folks you tune into Fox tonight tonight because you guys are GonNa have a hell of a show right yes we are were in Cheick Kongo by God beautiful allstate arena. I always refer to it as is the Rosemont it will forever be the Rosemont to me. Yeah it's one of those famous buildings where you know you've heard so much about how Goslett Stone Cold Steve Austin loved a wrestle there because the wood ceiling and he felt like it really helped the noise from the crowd and I've got to see wrestling there. It's pretty special. And you guys have a full week in there including survivor adversaries this weekend. And I guess. Congratulations are in order. The rumor and Innuendo was that on the preliminary numbers. INEX- T. W. The writings this week. Any comment excited you half odds everywhere. I'm excited up. Hey man you do what you can do and who knows. That's a man. It's it's a marathon not a sprint. Now love that quote. Well listen this is a bit of a marathon the day because we're GONNA go way back. I mean in our own time ago. Twenty twenty five years ago to survivor series. Nineteen Ninety four and don't forget we're not done with survivor series. We'll be back at you next week. We're going to do a watch along your Thanksgiving tradition tradition. We're going to drop it on Thanksgiving night so next Thursday night Tunisia and fire up your wwe network and watch survivor series. Eighty nine with us. What's the last time you saw survivor series any? Do you think you've ever saw the broadcast version I don't think so I. Yeah I probably ably watch highlights from tate. But I don't really think I ever watched the whole damn thing all the way through so there you go versus going to see it for the first time next week and some of our younger listeners I will to go. You bore even born in eighty nine. Yes I was eight. Were you born in ninety four. Yes I was thirteen. Okay I was just looking to see if he can do the math that quickly after like figured out and Cypher and carry the three To and all that good shit your math is not about. I don't know what I was thinking when I put you in charge of Our show finances. How did you end up with that job? Dot Me when I kind of do it for a fucking living. I don't know you can have it though. No I'm good. You can keep it all right. Let's get to it survivor. Series Nineteen Ninety four November twenty third. As when this this goes down so Tomorrow Saturday the exact twenty five year. Anniversaries the Freeman Coliseum and San Antonio Texas drought sell out ten thousand fans ends are on hand a roughly hundred forty thousand dollar gate and it's going to do a point nine pay-per-view Bahrain which is roughly two point. Three two million dollars and this. This is still about a year before the monthly pay per views are going to become a thing at this boy. There's only a handful of papers year. The big four or a rumble. WRESTLEMAINIA Summer Slams our series. I guess we would slot King Ring in there so a little fun for all we at this point have not even started the Monday night. War NITRO was not yet a thing. Our most recent major show was summer slam which took place in August which we've talked about a lot in the past it to happen right there in Chicago. But this time at the United Center we would see Bret Hart in an amazing world title match inside of a steel cage against his brother had heart and of course the undertaker versus versus the under faker. Ninety four is an interesting time because it is pretty Monday night war at the battle lines certainly been drawn in nineteen ninety any four. WCW With land the The opportunity to work with Hulk Hogan and they have a record showing at bash at the beach against Ric flair on pay per view the month prior to this they do the retirement match. It's a rematch for Hogan flair inside of a steel cage. They bring in Mr T.. And they're a real stakes the retirement angle. How are you feeling about the company? Maybe in a state of transition this is you know we're still sort of getting over the idea that Hulk Hogan is no longer a part of us and now he's with the competition and we're trying to double down on you know the new generation you've been with the company at this point for more than seven years the exception of one year break. How are you you feel about the state of things you know? It was the new generation. Came up from wherever you look at marketing. Can you look at Sugar Crisps or a serial or laundry. Detergent whatever change one on ingredient in it or so prolific more of something in there and all of a sudden it's the new and improved That was the selling point. We're looking at our business and looking at WCW's business which had taken all Cogan on. And what have you. The we had to promote something new. We had to view our business in a brand new way Kant's the advent of the new generation. And try to what that really meant was. was that what you had been used to for the last five or six years. Here's that was no more. This is new these these are the new guys on the rise. And what have you so that that was the thinking thinking behind it and it was a lot of trial and error and it was a lot of you know Cam Brett. Carry the ball. Can we do we. We have enough around all of this to get back to that point that we were in the late eighties of you slap matchup and by God the arena sells out so it was constantly reinventing and constantly trying to come up with new ways to promote new talent inches. Just it was a new direction. So you know you're in a bit of a transition behind scenes there have been some legal challenges you know. Are you guys are you are. where's Vince feeling about? The state of the product is as excited with the direction of the company. As is he just trying to limp along to the next big idea. How would you categorize the tone and tenor of the chairman? Here in late ninety four I would say somebody said it to me best when they described. Everything's Gone Vince. Needs a hit. Wrestlemainia was a hit wrestlemainia. Three was was a hit and it had been quite a while before we since we in had that hit. You know that that really big outside outside of the box get the entire world talking and buzzing about what it is that you're doing so I think that look you cannot convinced down a million times. That son of Bitch is going to get up with a smile on his face and say all right come not down again mother fugger so that was what's his attitude that was it was never a now. Shit Goddamn guys were were defeated their nipping at our heels. But there were realities also and the reality of it was that Vince didn't feel comfortable bringing new talent in without them. Knowing exactly what the lay the land was with the upcoming trial in the whole thing with him so it was. It was an interesting time. It is an interesting time Well how's he feeling about the whole Hulk Hogan situation. You know I know I know that the rumor and Innuendo is that advanced it and create it. He doesn't necessarily love it. And I know you're gonNA poke holes in that but Hogan was very much at this point not only its biggest and best but had to be the creation he was most proud of Anna Hogan existed before and so did Hulkamania a technically but no one can debate that he took it to new heights he has to feel ownership a little bit so when he sees Hulkamania running wild on another channel so if some weird feelings about that defense well he was heard any was hurt not just from a business standpoint. He was hurt from a personal standpoint. Because through those building years there were no to closer people in the business and Vincent Hulk that help. The bill develop develop develop all those aspects of Hulkamania along the way so there was a personal bomb in personal friendship. That had been built that now. Oh you know hulk going all you can say it was business. It was personal and I think that's really took it personally and I think he was heard it was. It was like a really bad divorce. Yeah I mean I guess that makes sense a bad divorce you know. Allegedly Hogan was not signed long-term. I think BISCHOFF would argue that but the dirt sheets were certainly saying that Hogan's contract was going to be up at the end of ninety four. T remember there being any conversation about pay we might be able to get back in ninety five or we've got some ideas ideas if we can work that out or at this point where you just debts was fans that sat on. He's not here and we're moving on as if he's never coming back. We your moving on now. If he came back great how would he fit in the new picture however there were no hopes of God we could get hope back. I think that everyone everyone had resigned. Themselves to hawks gone. Make Brett move on. Let's let's talk a little bit about where business is at the time because it is an interesting time in the company your average attendance in November of ninety. Three's thirty three hundred fans in November of ninety four thirty to thirty so roughly the same down two percent but still three thousand and change as Russia looking down your average gate in November of ninety. Three's forty-three thousand. Seventy dollars charging a little more for tickets here in November of ninety four. You're a forty eight eight thousand seven hundred so you are up about thirteen percent there. Here's the advantage though. You're running a lot of smaller buildings. Gone to the days where you're running running the giant arenas now you're running like for instance here instead of running the Dome in San Antonio or running ten thousand seater so you're still selling hang out shows but that was our home. Joan Harry was our home in San Antonio. I'm not saying routinely work shows you know then I and domes. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with rightsizing. Let's let's get buildings where we can sell the most and make the most profit that's just you know and business right absolutely and and it was going to markets that we were familiar with that had traditionally come out to support support. And that you know we're always there. San Antonio is one of those markets. That was always good no matter what. The climate San Antonio was good. Let's talk about What you're doing on your way into survivor series here? You hold a press conference on October twenty seventh in Hartford announcing the thing that Wrestlemainia as becoming the Connecticut on April second. And it's going to be a part of the festivities surrounding the Special Olympics World Games which being Connecticut at the same time and the WWF also announced. They were going to host a three-day fan fest or March thirty first to April second at the civic center similar to what they did Madison Square Garden the prior year. So I guess this is like the The early days of WB access. Although I don't think it was necessarily called that back then talk to me a little bit about Hartford Connecticut Up to this point. WRESTLEMANIA has been held in Madison Square Garden. Or are you know. LA or Chicago or you know a big dome in in near Detroit. Well I guess that's not really near Detroit but in Michigan I mean you've you've had really big venues Hoosier Dome and you know the Skydome and now for this one in Hartford Connecticut. This feels feels like a step down or was it more about strategy of you know maybe for a PR standpoint aligning yourself with Special Olympics. No it it was first of all it was kind of like coming home. A little bit and Hartford was in our backyard. If Stanford had a large Raina we probably would run stafford that point but it was about being in the New York market in that tristate market which Hartford still was a part part of And with the the Lore of Lt that also made it very attractive because in in New England you you had you know the the jets the giants or the Patriots and Lt was a huge huge huge star in the New York market. So we knew we withdraw from New York as well Hartford less expensive to run and the building manager longtime old friend. So it was everything lined up for us. In addition to that being able will have access to the Convention Center Jason to it it all lined up for what would be a successful event it without a lot about late for us. That makes any sense at all because it just Hartford in in a lot of respects you know that that was. I hope so when we're talking about how you know we're optimistic. Your move and on were you a little concerned how you withdraw without or in this current climate. I mean the way you just laid it out. It almost feels like you're you're really focused on keeping keeping expenses low. And usually when you're doing that it's because you're not sure what the top blondes GonNa be. Am I misreading that. No I don't think that a you know that's probably accurate because it was a time where the business wasn't setting everything on fire so you wanted to be conservative. You didn't want to put yourself out there. But the year before we'd been in the garden And the year before that we'd been out in Las Vegas so the only stadiums idioms that had been run for Wrestlemainia was wrestlemania three Of course wrestlemainia eight. And it's not it's six and sexual So three three out of the eleven were stadiums and the philosophy lot of times was go to a smaller building charge retire prices. Your gross is going to be your net is going to be more than if you sold out ninety three thousand seats because the cost just to sell any three thousand tickets is much more than the cost to sell seven thousand. Let's let's get deeper in the weeds on that and just explain it. In Layman's terms the rent on a big building. A football stadium is going to be significantly more than a fifteen thousand seat arena China. And you've got to offset that with more ticket sales but in order to get that many people in probably need to reduce your ticket prices so so it's not just your most hardcore and gets more casualties who still come in and find it affordable. So if you go less more you can jack ticket prices up have a smaller venue and still may become out ahead. Because you're you're more passionate fans will pay the price right and you don't have all of that your money then can be for. Marketing is then used push pay per view instead of the live event local areas and all that surrounding area so for the New York market it which Hartford would be considered a New York market in many ways. You WanNA sell that fucker out and then push everywhere around for for Pay Per view. If you had a big stadium to fill all of that New York market would have been get people into the building. So the costs on every level Just made made the difference in you wanted you want more people to buy paper you. Just so everyone knows the the difference of like Hartford and Stanford it's probably what our change apart Hartford being further north and our and you know to go from Hartford and New York two hours and change man hour and a half. Okay well the The other interesting thing we got to touch on. Here's sort of the precursor of you know w fan access which started out as a Wrestlemainia alumini thing and then expanded to some a few other events essentially a fan fest of sorts. What were some of the early ideas you remember back in this era all the way back in nineteen ninety four for what you guys were trying to do for shows like this it was all about the NBA and the NBA did it? I A fan access I forget what the hell. NBA Experience that are that may have been the NFL experience however they had been doing these conventions in conjunction with with their big tournaments. And what have you so the idea was well it. It's an interactive experience four order fan. That's GONNA come from international whatever we have a lot of a lot of international people that came for just wrestlemainia will. This was an opportunity for them to now experience. Something more than just one event on Sunday this was an opportunity. Tedium for to meet the Wrestler's autographs get their pictures in create an experience. That was different than just going to live. Event so access was way to again. Get the talent out there and give the fan access to the talent in and create some different things and I don't know if we had a ring in Hartford we had matches if we did I know that came later but a lot of it was autographs and and we brought all of our vendors from the action figures to the championship belts. which even back then was was a big deal for the replicas brought them all in and everybody that we did business with they displayed it access so it was is Rounded professionals that did conventions and it was a huge huge undertaking. Well I'll tell you what's on a big undertaking and That's taken better care of our pets. Did you know that up. To eighty percent of the immune system is influenced by the gut or that supporting putting the immune system through proper diet and adjusting health enables pets to better fi environmental allergies. 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The remember this match was ever talked about for a pay per view. No not necessarily. I mean this was all building towards the Sean Diesel Match Wrestlemainia. So it was. It was all all about building to that and I don't know that you know this particular match this way to get guys over and have great match. It was a great match and those guys were obviously Asli enjoying working with each other and the click seems to really start to gain steam after this as far as they're much talked about backstage power. What are you remember about here in late? Ninety four or these guys already is thick as thieves. I mean is is the click of thing people are talking about and late ninety. Four not rummy yes and no but I say not really They were guys. Were all hanging out. Diesel was kind of finding his way but this was also during during the time that Vince saw on his head. You Know K.. diesels going to be that guy to go to the next level maybe So yes there was talk talk about it but at the same time there wasn't Oh my God this will do right now as let. Let's build them. Let's get the let's get at the big man over. Make him a baby face. And let's see where we go from here. Let me run through an interesting thing. Found a Marie search urge here talking about how shows you guys ran the meadowlands Nassau Coliseum and Madison Square Garden Off Consecutive Nights with essentially the same lineup every time the meadowlands only draws 2600 Nassau only draws thirty eight hundred and MSG only draws ninety five five hundred. All three nights are Bret Hart vs Jim Neidhart with backlit interfering and it backfiring and that allows Brett to win back Lynnwood promise promise. Vince ran with the MSG show that at the next show he'd had the title belt and at one point on the on one of the other shows he puts a chicken wing on Pat Patterson mm-hmm the reason I mentioned this is it. It feels like this is your home base and also feels like the New York market has a lot of smart fans and a lot of Dow hard and fans and you're running essentially the same market three nights in a row with the same lineup and hindsight was the best idea. I don't think I think it was but the idea behind. It was to play to that particular area if you will But I don't think it was good idea at all because you're there all within sixty mile radius of each other so it it's just don't think that was a real good ideal how to try it but why but why. Why do you do it at me? Just thank to try to see if you know people would that would normally go to the garden. For for example we only had the garden running people normally go to the garden. What if you live in Jersey? You're close to the meadowlands. You've got same card you're going to go to the meadowlands all right. Let's see how many people go. The garland see how many people stay out on Long Island. That was kind of the theory thinking that they may draw more. I I think it was exactly the opposite that people were like. Oh Fuck I'll just go to minor instead of wanting to go to all three but you don't think we should have ever run all three you know within days of each other either. This is back to back back Experimental trying to save money on travel. We'll try to save money on different things but I don't think it was a good experiment that worked. Let's talk about Randy Savage At the end of October ninety four is when he's suddenly going to leave the WWF and go to WCW. We've talked about that a lot on our randy savage show. It's available in the archives. But talk to me a little bit about your memories of how This this all goes down. It's the November seventh raw. Where Vince announces that Randy had left thanked him for all he had done for the company? A little uncharacteristic characteristic for Vince. The new on air like this. It was but I think the randy was a special talent has a special bond with thence at the time that was unique and when randy like hulk thence had become close with randy so when the phone call came in Dan. I think that it was the first one was randy had to get drunk to call vents. And tell him envinced in WanNa talk to him while he had been drinking and asked him call the next day and he when he did. That was a day of raw that Monday morning. And that's Randy told him he was gone. WCW and Vince was not happy he was hurt. Because all of this. You Know Randy hit always said I won't do you like Hogan did all the Guy Albee. You're Babe Ruth I will always be here and then out of the blue with no indication on our our end You know Vince wanting to make randy employees and bringing them into the office and all these other things and out of the Blue Yom WCW and had to had to have several bears. The even call Vince to tell him that and that kind of upset vents as well so it was yeah it was hurtful it. It really hard. It hurt Vance that he needed to drink to talent partially. Yeah if you're going to be looking if you're GONNA do it then then do it be a man don't get don't Oh sit there and get yourself all messed up to get up the nerve to do it and you know the next Iran call Mensa called him and said let's talk and and he says yeah. I'm I'm gone not coming in not going to be there. You talked about this a lot on the on the savage by Aspen Aspen. Just circle back for a minute. Do you think there was anything Vince could've done to get them to stay at. That point had had randy made up his bond. Well Randi wasn't I think raining hand made up his mind. Marandi also wasn't given any options to do anything wasn't like hey if you'll do this for me I'll stay or we do this. I'll stay it was I'm gone. You know the the rumor and Innuendo is he wanted. He wanted to wrestle. And he was pitching the allegedly a feud with Shawn michaels and creative in mind for that and Vince didn't allegedly see him as a wrestler at this stage of the game and and you sort of insinuated when he he said Oh he wanted to make him an employee and maybe you didn't mean it this way but I was picking up the vibe there that you didn't really understand why savage would be an employee feels like haven't problem randy being employees. Because that's rainy. Wanted Randy WanNa look the rumor and Innuendo I. I don't know where here that comes from unless it was after the fact that WCW came in and said Hey We want you to Russell. We don't want you for anything else will. Then he's going to go Russell and then his accused can can be while they wouldn't let me Russell. WWe So I was there randy. Never expressed to me is maverick rainy. Express the opposite it so the rumor and Innuendo the narrative that is out there that already wanted to wrestle. That's never said did that. To us. Never said that to the people that would make it so the randy wrestling all the time so he never made that clear and I don't know how many times ways that I have. I have to say that the it's like well no one no. Maybe he did but he never expressed that to us why why advanced sort of break protocol. I mean obviously it's it's it's his company. Do whatever the fuck he wants wants but usually didn't acknowledge when someone leaves you know they're just not there anymore and then they show up somewhere else. Why why don't you think as well on air and and thanked? Thanks Randi for all the he'd done for the company and did it publicly. UNROLL like this. Because Randy was special rating was synonymous with the brand at the time. So that's Vincent wanted to do and he wanted to let randy no that Randy What you did and we still sports it and good luck? And that was the only way vents knew how to get that message out. There think the felt he was going to have any more conversations with randy stock about Jacques. Show so the Observer Jacques Advance at a major falling out there. See some press and Montreal Allegedly Asia trying to put together show the same as the Super Bowl January twenty ninth and a sixty thousand seat Olympic Stadium Mouth Would Ryan originally and Cohen one. Who handles arena bookings for Titan had at the request of Joe talked with stadium management a Titan balked when they wanted two hundred eighty grant and rent and setup up fees Rougeau the negotiated the price down one hundred fifty four thousand and just as he was ready to ink? The deal McMahon told him he didn't think the time was right and ended up a company or the city or hot enough for such an undertaking in addition the math that Russia wanted headline with back Lynn. Defending against here. There couldn't take place by that time which he wasn't aware of though is a story in the November Twenty Second Leisure and all which by the way. I'm proud of that which portrayed Joe who was going to donate one dollar for every ticket to a local children's hospital Which means as I guess here that he's being denied by McMahon the chance to raise sixty thousand dollars for children's charity? All sorts appears from the outside. However that Vincent van raid made the the right move because traditionally the WWF has a tough time drawing big return crowds after a blowout show as the last Montreal card was and fifteen to twenty thousand look bad in a building that large? What do you remember about this this falling out and admit you know when we're booking smaller buildings and this era booking a sixty thousand seater with back Linden Pierre on top seems counter risky very risky in in with the state of the business at that time it was very risky in a market that we wanted to take care of and it was a market that we were running? All of a sudden. Jacques Rougeau wants to run using our talent. But Jack wants to be the promoter. Rape the roars it wasn't it wasn't a wwe Idea backed that we were looking at. Hey this'll be great. We can go on. Run this stadium that it just was not the case and the market was not good at the time. And I certainly don't think the pier and back Lynnwood around around sixty thousand people by any stretch of the imagination and chocolate. Always come up with these ideas to run shows and do different Things some good some bad but Jacques always was also looking out for Jacques and Jock. DOC was a big star in Montreal. He was a local celebrity that people knew and jock wanted to take every opportunity he could to to to make that celebrity even bigger in early. November Brad Hart What Film and Episode of Lonesome Dove. How do you remember this coming together the other? Well Brett's agent Carl Demarco at the time and lonesome dove was shot up in Calgary. Or if one in Calgary angriest man coober thinkers somewhere up in the North West Canadian area that Brett had this opportunity through Carl. He knew some of the actors the new director and they thought. Hey Brett's here. Would you like to have a recurring part. And that's how it happens when he has is not what you see. You know a lot of times. Something I've always wanted to ask you about It's reported in this era. That and this is directly from the Observer. The Aiko pro company was sold and has no longer a part of the Titan structure we used to seek commercials us on TV all the time. What the wrestlers wearing ACURA shirts talking about the product? Why do you think I go? Pro wound up going belly out. I think that you were selling to niche audience. And I ca- problem with something that had been developed to supplement the WBF the world. Oh Bodybuilding Federation. The IKEA PRO system was were people. oftentimes would get confused as wasn't wasn't just like a a protein power. It was a system it was you. Take this supplement here you take that supplement here you take supplements while you're working out at peak time but but this horrible tasting shit under your tongue and it was. It was complicated. So to away bodybuilding audience which is a very small niche audience. In the big scheme of things I think the WBF in already gone by way of Sia later and I ca- Pro Shis next. We tried to do it for a while. I will say he does. The the protein bars that they had were excellent But it just it just was ahead of its time. The The catchphrase do you remember what it was. I have no idea. You've got to want it. Will you do you remember how how would been say at Komodos his commercial on it so I have in my notes here than it sold I have a report here for what it sold four. I don't have a report for who it sold to do. You know who bought this thing. I have no clue. I don't want something that Fred Hatfield who who developed it was going to be involved with and Fred was kind of part of the deal. So was near Fred's GonNa help you develop this further and take-up Remaining inventory move on. How much do you think Vince? WOUND UP LIZ Arcaro. Not sure about losing. I don't think think he lost a lot of money on Pro probably broke even Mushir Zeldin make any money. I have in my notes here that when he sold it he sold it for an unsigned unsigned birthday card. Keep it together here. Call Nine one one. I'm trying to get through my net. Sis a real report try to. I have in my notes here that he's on November twentieth in Tokyo Japan as the big women's show here in Japan and A lender blaze is going to drop the title to Bull Nakano and that happens of course at the Big Egg Wrestling Universe November Twentieth Nineteen ninety-four of course she's going to win the title back on April third heard before eventually losing to Bertha Faye and then she went back and then at the end of ninety five. That's all she wrote. But I'm always curious about this us because you know at this point I guess the the belts been around for almost a year. I'll orange ablaze. One Tournament. Like simmer of ninety three to get the belt and our first title switch doesn't happen in America happens in Japan. That doesn't seem like something Vince would have done. I don't remember titled Switches for the men in happening in Japan a lot And this matches believe it or not the twenty second match on the show so big women's nine chat me up. What are you remember about how Vince got on board with with having a title switch Japan? Well we want to get more stars so we figured if we had the match in Japan Dan get more stars. What come on? We'll actually says well. All we can have this match in Cleveland or Gavin in Tokyo and a three star Cleveland match is like nine star Tokyo. Match Lynch Okay Susan. Let's have the mentioned Tokyo or Tokyo. Seriously what's the what's the rationale. What was agreed it? One of his belts hands. We were looking for opponents for a lender and it was something different To Bring Bowl back in and do a little program with a lender they worked well together and it was a favorite tool lender. How difficult was it? You know. There's not a ton of a female wrestling talent in America. At the time. How difficult was it to find quote unquote credible opponents from Edessa? You know the the difficulty. He was to find several. You know that we're able to work and we're able to have matches but also would would kind of fit into the new you know way we were trying to do things just a more physical. Medusa was very physical talent. And she didn't work like the Moolah of the world and you wanted to can bring that style forward will that style really didn't exist and had made its way over so so the United States yet in Medusa became She she adapted that style in Japan. So do it in Japan. Have the title switch. Get some buzz and then bring it back over here. You Want Medusa to defeat that evil empire. Let's talk about Something that was written here about new talent and the observer expect a major influx of new talent over the next few months Besides sake. As mentioned last week who we know is going to be a coochie headed in expected to be at least or Brian Armstrong. Tell me about a Hebron Armstrong. I'd be Oh be G James Road Dogg Jesse. James vessels vessel guy. Billy bad. Don't wait what was he was a real double j Jesse James Fake double j you ever hear that Song. He sang hounded ago is good singer Kinda went span. The he's working on the go but the trains only clock man into slow you. Can't we be alone with MOM Bay Mita a noma maim is got me wrapped around her little finger. Her engine know that I would walk through hailing back to be with her. 'cause I can't wait to be alone with my baby to. Nah I he also coming in Lewis Coli Mark Canterbury and meltzer would say as a new hillbilly. Jim Stock Character called Henry Godwin. Brian Lee will be here. Who Has debuted as Jeff. Jarrett's mystery manager on November. Twenty eighth and Poughkeepsie. Chris Candido and Tammy Fitch I've I've been talked to about trying to recreate the blonde bombers tag team with Candido and another wrestler managed by Fitch a Modern Day Ray Stevens and Pat Patterson a gimmick Talk to me about the comparison with a Modern Day Ray Stevens and Pat Passing Gimmick. I don't know that I would have just jumped right to that comparison. The doctor. Tom and Chris Candido wasn't doctor. Tom And it wasn't a modern day tag team. It was candy. Oh coming in with sunny so so there was none. That's probably day. Meltzer was hoping was going to happen. And of course he printed something that was completely incorrect and never discuss. Well I mean he does form attacting with your brother and they do ten or not so much later. Not until after. The Bobby Donnas with a stunning in Chris was the thing and then later on like okay. What are we gonNA do with them? And then the tag team idea came up later how who's helping SORTA eyeball talent in this era. Our some of these guys on the radar I am Howard is just whoever I don't think we had Kevin Kevin Kelly in the office yet at this point but we had pretty much anybody that watched anything other than our show. Hey come to or or somebody that you think you really like. It could fit. We'll take a look at our mouths. Were also several the key guys like lex Luger and undertaker after fly all Niner San Antonio and Wednesday To be in the early morning Thanksgiving Day macy's parade in this is right after survivor series. I'm sure the boys were fucking tickled with this It was the best. Just the best. macy's Day thanksgiving parade and we had a float in the list to get into the macy's Day. Thanksgiving parade is the macy's Day the macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. is as long and arduous and difficult to get into but we had an end that was able to get us into the parade. We prepared afloat and since it was our first time wanting to make sure that we had The top talent on there and it was a hell of an opportunity to be seen on national TV. Everybody's watching the floats go. By undertaker was ecstatic. He was so happy to be there. And you know less with his great attitude he was he said. Gosh can I drive. Can you find me a bus. Maybe get me there. I can't imagine imagine that any of the guys were really excited about this idea. Does anybody get a bonus for going to do this. Shit or is this just part of the fucking GIG man. You'll be a top guy top. Gosh it could Gnocchi let's get survivor series where start off with the monsoon Vince. McMahon McMahon doing commentary and I think this is guerrillas last pay per view commentary appearance and I think the first time he's done commentary since it's like Royal Rumble Ninety three maybe. Did you go into this. This is going to be guerrillas. Last pay per view commentary appearance. No now we we. Did you know it was obviously from. I'll go back years always a search for new on air talent That was ongoing ongoing. Today it's ongoing EV- every every place and if it isn't it should be because you're you're constantly searching for new and if nothing else keeps your current talent on their toes and keeps them sharp so I don't think anybody anybody new. Oh Hey this is guerrillas lascaux just happen to be. Yeah he did. He did call the ninety four. Royal Rumble on the radio with Jim Ross but this is the last time we're going to see him like this. I assume he's just filling in for randy savage. Since Randy's Oughta hear me randy would have probably been in that spot otherwise right. That is correct. Let's talk about how the show begins. It starts with clip from quote earlier today Shawn Michaels michaels talking to his team and then get razor. Ramon talking his team then another clip showing lex Luger talking to his team and then Ted Yossi talking to his team and of course. I don't like talking to his team in all talking to his team. This feels a little bit of I don't know a little repetitive. Who would have been in charge of sort donald laying out a show like this shot list? FEM ACCENTS I did okay. Well this girl didn't know all right now. Now it's another way you know for forever you always have your teams like the Royal Rumble. 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And diesel and diesel is GONNA wind up chasing Sean out of the ring and the building and around as partners on the floor and it's going to Marone five-way count out at five minutes. forty-seven seconds so ramone is the sole survivor than after the match showing with rose tag belt on on the ground and drive off making clear he wants nothing to do with diesel again. meltzer would say so good angle. But the wrestling was below par and the finish with a five-way count out was horrible. So he gives it a star and a half. What did you think? I thought it was a good opener because it was telling a story okay. We had been slowly building up. The story was Sean Diesel. And it's a attraction match to start the show I it's a matching could have easily closed the show. But you get the story out there with Sean Diesel. And I thought it was good but all this match was therefore was to tell the break-up story we've Sean Diesel. It's pretty amazing. How quickly you know we're putting over? Diesel diesel is just destroying his opponents. Here you know. Jaguars Twas to due pinfall Jack. Knives Kid pinfall. Jack knifes One of the head drinkers pen fall. I mean just one after another and then the big you know five weekend for feels like it's going to be you know razor Ramon versus the entire world but instead he just sort of gets a by if if you will After mass we would see sean shown in a parking garage saying he can't believe what they did to him. Pen on interviewing here and ace's nobody's ever heard Diesel before and Michael something like you should have known better than to try this tag team stuff with him. Also down. That tag title takes takes off is still in his wrestling gear. The cool little angle and and it is you said at the beginning of diesels baby face turn and Shawn's working here with a broken hand. Okay and how long had this these will baby face turn been in the works. Well we started talking about it the year before the Royal Rumble when diesel had eliminated eliminated people and just like a monster That became the diesel spot in the royal rumble in so many ways but So yeah it was. It was something that was a slow turn in Libya just little things that some people picked up some people didn't of course insured they meltzer pick them all up incorrectly but You know it was. It was a long story. It was one of those that when it happened people. Aw Yeah I knew it was going to happen. But you just didn't know win. In this was the backdrop for I think what this win. Razor Ramon comes plot because like the first and only man survivor series to be alone survivor without ever scoring a pin fall or submission. Well sorry that's cool okay. What's not cool? What's next all come on? Come on we've got the royal family. Which is Jerry Lawler queasy sleazy and cheesy and they're going to be clowns are Dr us with doing dink? Wink and pink. That's right sixteen minutes of this horse. She it it gets two and a half stars Ma. God what are we doing here is fucking great man Dan. The highlight of the night went to little folks are else. We founded Dana Weight. Well we had inc.. We found a wink and a pink and said you got any queasy sleazy Jesus as as a matter of fact we do in the back because we are a little folks are us. Of course we do and lawler named all of those is we brought him in and and it was Looking Lou kings core in Jerry's just took one look at him and that's how he can't. You just came up with the names off. The top said it was absolutely hilarious trading trying to put two in the paint and one on the thank sorry. Connie you've lost again. BATHROBES EOS all comedy. But that's using the term comedy very loosely. Lawler Lalla rolled through a cross body using tights to win the first fall the next three fall saw dink wink and pink. And that order get eliminated largely with lawler helping his midgets and all all three falls after the match lawler got mad his team claiming he did all the work and didn't want them to raise their hands in victory while they continue to do so. He told them to kiss his feet because he wanted to match for all of them hip raising their hand. Lawless started chasing Matt which point Dink Wink. Pink came from under the ring and they had the six midgets ages chase lawler around the ring. What a pathetic sight? It was until lawler come up and got a pie in the face from doing after after the match was over Knowing sneezing is going to play in Vince is going to do is over the top laugh here. And then we'll see a highlight of Bull Nakano beating London blaze for the women's title in Japan prior Sunday and the Connell is interviewed by Pettingill and she spoke Japanese. So Yeah Talk to me about your you know this segment here with lawler and the little people this is. The Vince McMahon ISM. This is something he loved. We all loved it so highly entertaining segment. I mean it wasn't meant to be a forty two star Tokyo Dong Quasimodo Fuckin- Hara Shema Nagasaki match It was meant to be a comedy comedy lead up match and just give the kids in the audience and everybody else moment to laugh at a good time and go with. It wasn't ever meant to be taken seriously except for queasy was little fucking weird but That's all it was God damn e e can't just have every every single match should be these fucking everybody bouncing office shit and doing fucking know selling goddamn bullshit fucking spots different way to go the riot T. Let's talk about The the Bull Nakano Lender blaze match. Allegedly it was rumored to take place that is going to take place here survivor series. It doesn't the you remember that being discussed that the spice was supposed to happen is cut for time or one doesn't make the pay per view. No it wasn't because it was never supposed to happen in. That's one of those situations today. MELTZER's Oh I know what they're doing Japan GonNa do it in survivor series the rematch. Just assume make shit up. They've didn't say the AH I bet he did okay. Well it's just rumor and Innuendo. Just you know you're in the Innuendo you always will say meltzer. That's all all right. Well hang on. Oh why show. How the fucking thing in front arms to the match? Because you're going to tell fucking story while it got telling stories. Why did you get into the match later? You're on you don't WanNa fuck and just okay. Here's the match then what you want to build to make people anticipated. Want it but while I do that on TV we're more people. We'll see you want to buy it. Because at that point we were all about Goddamn fucking pay per view in the television was a different vehicle. The television was about it promoting live events and promoting pay per view yet but wasn't about the ratings in the argument. I'm not I don't think bull connor was pulling big ratings. It's pro. I'm just saying if feels like this could have been a should have been something that you're just showing more people if you're not going to have the match on Paper reward you show a highlight package for something that you're not going to see on the pay per view to continue the story. Okay fuck it must move on. The next match is for the world title. Spread heart is wrestling. Bob Back on in a submission match and their feud dates back to like I don't know the end of July. There was an episode of superstars. The stars were Bob with challenge breath for the world title at the time. The both baby faces and Bob believe he's won the match defeating Brett But the match had not ended like Bob fought did and Brent winds appending back on and when Bragg Shaked back on hand after the match backlands slap them in the face and locks them in the crawlspace chicken wings and turns earns. He'll for the first time in his career. backlands old toolman. He's always been a baby face and now he's turning heel and he's working again and advanced age her for years of not talk to me about how the steel came together for him to get back in the ring and how receptive he was to the idea of Bang back for the very first time. I think Bob had finally grown into it. You know the idea by backman healed had been discussed the Baghlan events many many years before and Bob didn't feel that he could pull it. Aw and also wasn't comfortable being. He'll however is Bob got a little bit older and Bob wasn't that old here but As I got older you know Bob developed some characteristics. The were very. He'll ish if someone were to ask him for his autograph autograph he would say. Tell me the president's. And he wouldn't give you an autograph unless you were able to tell him the president's from Washington all and Kinda he'll ish Been Bob's mind. He was teaching. But we took all of these Bob Corks Inches accentuated them in told Bob Bob how do you feel about this guy. How do you feel about attack? We'll let let's say that Bob wasn't really crazy about the style of wrestling at the time was crazy about some of the guys that we had there. But but BOB was a throwback that we felt is throwback that he can get some heat and be able to to be Fucking heal that people believed in once he turns he'll he's demanding. Respect from his fellow wrestlers insisting they refer to him as Mr Mr Backline and using the cross face chicken wing hold. He says unbreakable as his finishing maneuver eventually rematch with him and bribes made for survivor for series. And it's even named a submission match but with the stipulation that the only way for a wrestler to win was to the other person throw in a towel and since this it's required each wrestler having Cornerman each of the participants choose one. Of course Bob Chooses. Breath brother has our travel owen. Hart and Bret chooses his brother-in-law the British bulldog. These guys go thirty five minutes and eleven seconds in a match that can only end when someone throws in the towel got two stars which I guess is a little surprising because you would think that In this era especially they've really loved the longer matches. What did you think of this? One was had had styles clash to the better days past Bob by table to adapt had Brett. Do with Bob Style. What did you think of this when he wants this week for the first time in a long time I thought it was great? I thought that it was everything you it just says what we wanted to happen. And it was a style clash. It was a fucking Personality clash was every kind of class she could think of. Brent was new Bob Bob was old and we wanted that clash but I think the Brett was able to take it in make the match unique fit his opponent and backline was able to go in and do his stuff. And by God. If you didn't believe when you started you believed at the end and it was a cool story you got owen involve STU STU and Helen and backline was made at that point but it was. I think backing was made back in July fourth earlier but It was a unique finish and it was. It was something that people weren't going to call and for that for that reason. I think that They they accomplished it. I thought the match was was good for what it was. I was never a big fan of of this version of Bob. backend I don't know thirty five minutes to me. seems really really long Of course you know. We're involving the parents here as always with Helen Stu and meltzer would say the best part of the entire segment was Vince. McMahon gorilla monsoon's indignation. And what did says that was awesome But then monsoon tried to get over. That fans of the building were crying when everyone in the background was smiling and finally caught a female fan on camera. Who looks at she immediately started jumping up and down since she was on? TV Trying to get over a big store here that you know you're you're having Oh and SORTA faked being a baby face begging for his parents to do something. Throw the towel in it tells. That's a great story is this. Is this a pat. Patterson move feels like something. PAT would've been heavily involved in. That was and it. was you know he laid out the match and Brantley out the match Thought everybody did a great job. Yeah was told very well and had been laid out for a while so I I love it when a good plan comes together. I don't know we'll talk about backend again. Let's talk about here. He's it's post-match has helped to the back by the officials including Pat Patterson backlands than handed the world title and mouth would say had this crazy got excited. Look on his face back. On course poses on the apron with McMahon putting over how big of a feat. This was that forty five year. Old Man like backline could win the world title title similar George Forman Boxing. They says this is the new generation. I shuttered thank. You know. This is a big moment for Bob. backend I assume when you guys I bring him back. Did you have this idea in mind already or are you just just to surprise that. This wound up happening as we were. I don't know surprise is the right word but when we brought him back. No the idea wasn't it to do this. And my idea. Initially which vents originally kind of pooh-poohed was bring Bob in as a he'll But then as Bob got there and Bob said his heel tendencies came through. Like how can you not fucking do it so we just. We made that change in. Did it in the northeast where Bobbehead You know a big league following the that was July fourth deal it just. It felt good to me I. I loved his one of my favorites. Let's let's talk about you know. You're pushing new generation and you sort of mocking the other folks for being older and now you're putting the belt on an older guy. Anybody raise an eyebrow I mean obviously events is addressing a little bit commentary but does feel a little a lot of place. Now yes because we use it as a story that the old guard didn't like the new generation and felt that the old generation was better. Are these new kids that they're not. They can never measure up to the old generation so yes we used it as a story. I'm just fascinated by background in this era. How's he to deal with here? You know now. Now he's back and he's excited to be there. I'm sure he's he'll that some are they lease on life and now he's the world champ remember having the conversations with him in this era. I do a lot because we were doing all the creative. At this point and Bob I had heard horror stories about about working with Bob and Bob believing himself maybe a little bit too much to his detriment at times however I got completely the opposite experience. That Bob seem to love everything that we brought to him and was just happy to be participating so I never got any of those horror stories or is on every got any negative Anything from Bob Backlands the the guy that I worked with was a true professional through and through ooh and an absolute joy by the way. Even though we're talking about Bob mcmullan latkes. Elderly out to pasture are longtime listener. It's already know what I'm GonNa Assay. He's forty five years old here. Rick flair on the other channel was. What's IT GONNA flip flop the title for six more years by the way? Aj Aj styles. Today that's what you Roy on is forty two years old triple A.'s. Today is is fifty. So you know. We're not out to pasture the way maybe people think we are the The reality of this is for lack of a better word back. Lend is a transitional champion. Apia it's a big moment. No doubt that he's beating heart. But it's GONNA lose the fucking thing three days later in New York City and he's he's GonNa lose it to diesel and it's going to be quick. Is the idea switching the title like this just to further the storyline for Owen. Hart but not yet giveaway Brenton diesel and save that for another time absolute in want diesel to win it from a baby face diesel was the turn had been complete yet and that was gonna be the icing on the cake. That was the Cherry on the Falcons Sunday and having a heel champion with a shocker. Bob Macklin That's what made it. You know. It feels like you know. We're we're accomplishing a lot of things here. Because backlands rain is three days diesel beats him immediately. We just saw these mowed down an entire team on the opening match the survivor series. He turns against one of the hottest heels Shawn Michaels whose tag champs with and then he lays waste of five dude singlehandedly and then three days later bates the new champion. I mean and seconds almost immediately in Madison Square Garden. So were really making him to the home crowd and now we're going to wait a full year before we get Brent Heart to beat him for the belt also as survivor series but this time survivor series nineteen ninety-five and we discovered that grill. Jr if you'd like to hear about that show. How far in advance did you have all of this sort of mapped out that? Hey we gotta get we gotta get diesel over as a baby face and as a monster but we need to get the belt off Brat without having diesel touch him and then we'll switch switch it back in the year There wasn't a talk about switching back. We just wanted to get to wrestlemainia with diesel and Shawn. There was not a lot of you know olive garden another year. We'll go Brett that we hadn't planned that far in advance at that time. So we wanted to get wrestlemainia. We knew where we were going for. Mania yeah and that was the goal beyond that we wanted to see how diesel held up a champion. Could you do it. Let's talk about the creative diesel in the main event. I know I know we've talked about this but wrestlemainia four there's a there's a new champion crowned Wrestlemainia five new champion ground. Six the same seven the same same eight the same nine the same ten the same. It changes in eleven days over teens. We don't have a title switch. We don't have a baby face Jason. Jason He'll while the switch while the paradigm shift from vents. That we're not GONNA put a baby face over a hill champion for the world title at the main event I I went back to what had work. WRESTLEMAINIA won the champion Juan Wrestlemainia to the champion wrestling. And three the champion one. So you can pick that out as well. It was just going going back to building a baby face building a monster. Baby face in the face of the company Make him look strong. Put Him in the best light that you can in the biggest show of the year. Sure I assume back when those going in he's going to hold the bell for three three nights and he understands his cool with it is he is let's Let's talk about STU and Helen. Being involved this is one of Owen's best performances Even though the match was a little long for me the story told was really well. Done Stu and Helen had been in irregulars on TV. Probably going back to summer slam ninety one when we saw him in the crowd when Brett one the air continental title for the first time. Talk to me a little bit about you. Know Owen Stu and Helen here and how great they were. You know. All you had to do was put the camera on Helen and Ellen was cut away machine because she was into every match She reacted reacted to everything beautifully. Because to her it was real. That was her baby in there. Helen reacted STU reacted as proud father in a concerned and father and then Owen Hart. I can't say enough. Great things about own heart because Owen Hart brought it all together. The baby of the family. Mommy Mommy Mommy please. You GotTa Save my big brother. I can't say look we've had our differences but I can't stand to see him like this anymore please he's bombing in plain on every Everybody has a mom or siblings. I think kid relate to that and our heart Helen stew they all pulled off because they played it as if it was real to them and it was. Let's let's talk a a little bit about what brats and after the match. He's going to get six weeks off his maternal January ninth that raw in Houston and According to Brad this is the longest break he's been given off wrestling and a full decade seasons beat up needed needed. Some time recover was his idea or advanced. Say I'd ample take a break down. Damn bread had been running. I think Kinda what precipitated is that even a word. We'll go it okay. y'All know what I mean. What made this happen was the conversation Brett looking go? You know. I haven't had all this time off. We knew what we were doing with the championship. Campione ship so it was a good time to hate Brett. Take some time off That's all it really was. It was a rest. Your body up You spend some time with your family and then let's get back to work on the push to mania the sub briefly run through the stats for for back on and then we'll move on. Its back on second reign as world champion. His first reign lasted from February twentieth. Nineteen seventy eight when he beat superstar Billy Graham for the W. WWF world title and he holds it until December twenty sixth nineteen eighty-three when he loses uses it to the iron sheik. When Bob's manager Arnie Scotland through the Towel Leeann when she had him in the camel? Clutch Bob Second Reign as we know just a few days With the wind at forty five years old Bob comes the oldest. WWF world champion in the process. The previous mark was set by SARS slaughter in nineteen. ninety-one was forty two years old and five months when he beat the ultimate warrior. Of course Vince McMahon would break record nineteen ninety nine when he won the belt at fifty four. And it's pretty remarkable that even today backend is just in tremendous shape. I've seen him in more recent years and he's still doing. I don't know thirty eight thousand squats a day and Just eating leafy green slack. Doc by the handful the dude takes care of himself does he. Not Yes he does Bob In the most phenomenal shape of any human I've ever seen and and he just you know Nike. Just do it by back. Lynn does it. Well you know what we need to introduce backlash to health accu health McHugh use a science and data to secure lower rates for people like you on their life insurance. 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Luger of course denies having joined the group despite the talk claiming he had evidence Luger had sold out the DB OSCE Luger into Taco would face each other at Sumer summer slam whether both baby faces during the match. The talk turns he'll and that was him not lex who joined the Million Dollar Corporation bigalow an atom bomb and also been feuding since the September tenth episode of Superstars and Bigalow bigalow would actually attack his opponent whose underneath guy before the match even starts and DB OSCE would then claim. The company was not providing suitable competition and he challenged challenged any wrestler to face bigalow atom bomb response and the two brawled briefly leading up to survivor series. They're working together pretty consistently at the house. Shows and the heavenly bodies were not members of the Million Dollar Corporation but at the time they were involved in a feud with the smoking guns and as a result we we see the groundwork laid on the September third episode of superstars of wrestling where the heavenly bodies attacked the guns prior to the match and steal the guns cowboy hats. Yes this is real. They put on the hats to mock the guidelines and throw them on the ground and stop them and everyone or knows. You don't stop them in camera hat to get revenge. The guns would steal the heavenly bodies ring robes and tear the whigs off of them. And that's how these two teams James Get added wings. Bigs you said wigs okay. Well you know what I'm there for her. Well it is so goddamn. I'm I'm just saying that. They have wigs on the roads in Damn Conrad. You know what you take. Commands Cowboy has taken his letterman jacket or his leather jacket with shit on it bay area. Oh yeah what the fucked this. What we're dealing with a life? This is ordering with her life. You know. Listen we're supposed conversed off and we came up with this and why why why are you. Why are you the way that you are? I'm just lucky ta-talk Bam Bam bigelow King Kong Bundy and the heavenly fucking bodies no say heavenly fucking bodies like that God damn. That was a the doctor. Tom Prichard Gigolo Jimmy. Del Ray Gigolo Jimmy. No is that the got they're gonNA take on guts and glory lex Luger Mabel Atom bomb in the smoking guns. Unfortunately our man Pritchard goes down and under four minutes. Thanks to a cross body off the middle rope from able and thank God he lived to tell the tale ultimately. You can imagine what's going what happened. Here Bundy is GonNa Splash Luger to finish this off. And they're going to he beating on liquor after the match until the guns and Mabel make the save two and a half stars so the heels. Get the win which is kind of hard to imagine but it it happened. Is it safe to say that the bloom is off. XS Rose at this point. I mean it feels like this is a different performer than we saw your car. Little Bit. Yeah it was trying new things with lax just seemed Guinea and there was any carrying left out there at all and they're really really. Wasn't I think that this was an opportunity. This this time We're looking at doing this match. was you know Bundy coming back to the company was the gang will shit shit. You know what he wasn't that far removed from his big batches and wwe and he was a one of the guys that everybody. We talked about Chris didn't have the legs under the used to have let's let's talk a little bit about King Kong Bundy. How does he wind up getting back in the deal here like for him to land back in the company at this point feels a little out of left field but this is an era where he's even bringing back Vance? I'm just once Bundy story. Well I mean Bundy was a a huge part of the company. And when you ask people hey you know. WWF The people that they talk about. I remember Guy King Kong Bundy and Hulk Hogan the first action figures that were made and I think that he was synonymous with the company. So we try to recapture some some magic with Bundy by bringing back but just didn't work yet so it's weird that you know. He had such a big run with Hogan or felt like it was us and then he's back here and it just doesn't work out. Why doesn't it work out? I mean does events have big plans for him and was it. A myth was it. His attitude was has his style not kept up was he just on CEO. He was out of shape. He was out of shape in he. He was about half the half the athletes late when he left he was a big guy will got bundy over his big guy. That could move and big guy that could work but when he came back he was just a big guy. And you didn't didn't you didn't have that same intensity of the young hungry crispell as and so Yeah we have the same guy it it was. It was just a big crisp way. Not King Kong Bundy. Let's let's talk a little bit about your brother here. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about Dr Tom. But it's got to be a pretty big deal to see your brother on a pay per view like this. I mean he He hasn't been with the company not nearly as long as you have was. This was this big family moment for him to be high up on the card. Like this on a big match. Well definitely thrilling Abe you yes and it was during the time we were doing stuff. smokey mountain wrestling and the heavenly bodies were the top acne smokey mountain wrestling so it was a logical extension attention but You Know Tom's. I think that to be a Russell Madison Square Garden and some some of the bigger arenas up there. I think that that was a thrill. And then here in San Antonio where he had spent his early days as a wrestler than to come back and be a part the big pay per view like this frame. Calcium is a big deal so yeah I think it meant a lot to the new world. Champion is going to be shown during a promo. Oh and he's talking about how he never really lost the title all those years ago. Now your children have somebody look up to. This is great. She is it not well. Yeah because it was true. And you know that's how Bob really fell so you fell. He felt the honesty in his promos in his voice. Now I'm GonNa give you all the children something to to look up to unlike that damn long haired Greasy Hair Bret Hart. The next match is the main of in the evening the casket match between Yokozuna and the undertaker the feud between undertaker yokozuna started a year prior survivor series series nineteen ninety-three during an elimination match Yokozuna was unable to injure the undertaker spy slamming the undertaker's head the ring steps and even doing the bonds. I drop on him and their confrontation. That mass leads to their casket match at Royal Rumble. Ninety four which we've talked about where unfortunately the undertaker dodd went to heaven. He ascended. That's what I'm saying Of course it took non man to do that. we talked. It's a lot about that in the archives. And eventually we We're going to have to have a rematch. And it's this. It's a casket match here but of course along the away undertaker head to beat the faker at Summer Slam ninety four and that sets us up here and I'm pretty excited about this because this is fifteen minutes. It's a twenty four seconds an unbelievably fucking chuck. Norris a seer to guard the aisle to keep those God damn heels from interfering and he gets the biggest pop with show the turn the lights down the funder enlightening Gimmick for the undertaker big highlight of the show especially in this era And meltzer would say this is even better than their house show matches and one point undertaker decks. Jim Cornet eventually. You know what's going to happen happen Bundy and bigalow. IRS ARE GONNA come down. They have Chuck Norris distracted and they put the undertaker in the sleeper and undertakers then putting the casket irs but everyone else is occupied by the north situation and Yokozuna as spend like I dunno several minutes sailing clothesline does line when he finally recovers goes to close. The casket undertaker grabs him by the throat. The Jeer at runs down. He's going to be chuck. Norris's fall got a A kick and selling it big Jira runs away. Undertaker hits another clothesline. DDT A tombstone breaks. The Japanese flag puts it over Yokozuna and the casket nestle she wrote two and a half stars and we finally get our return. Dude this is Quite the main event not the world title match but it is a return from the beginning of the year where we had the big casket match the undertaker loss with the help of nine heels and now Chuck Horse Talk to me about Chuck Norris and explained why this was such a big deal in nineteen ninety-four Walker Texas. This is ranger man. Well first of all Chuck Norris Crotty man so great a man. I think chuck is a one time hall of Famer in Black Belt Hall of fame so that's extremely prestigious not asked prestigious as being a three time hall of anger however Chuck was the star of a extremely only popular television show in the USA Network Walker Texas Ranger so we had the connection with USA network and with Chuck Norris. Boris and they wanted some more pub for chuck And it was. Local chuck was just up the road in Dallas and Gotti was funding great to work with We have mutual friends and Bill Wallace Bill Gray so I enjoyed my time with chuck and at the same time there was there were times that chuck was just wide eyed. Just looking around in awe of everything that was taking place around Tim because chuck is tiny little fella. He's really small but chuck competed in the heavyweight. It division in Karate Chuck probably way at this time maybe a buck. Seventy about seventy five. And so it's slim down a lot. And and he was a movie star so we had done a lot of movies and shit but it was. It was just so much fun to work with him and go through things and he had his kickin jeans on which the gossip is expanded. So you don't rip them and protect your testes. It was it was great. It was great. Chuck did everything that we asked him to do. And Jeff Jarrett gotta take the side kick from Chuck Norris Nobody Else WanNa fuck with a Walker Texas Ranger by God that some bad ass shit and what a Papuan. What an explosion from the audience when check was involved so it worked in my opinion on on all fronts? Yeah it's It's it's the right use of celebrity. You know chuck is a big deal at this time you know. He's he's been a big deal nine only for movies but now on TV How did the deal come together? How was he to deal with Was this Financial Win for you guys. We'll see fan. Let's talk to me about a little bit more back. Chuck Norris deal came through USA network and it was promotion for them and for Walker. Texas ranger in chuck was a joy to deal with absolutely easy and fun. So in that regard and you couldn't have asked for any better we've had celebrities. It can be difficult. Chuck was exactly the opposite and super easy work with so Loved aboard with him and it was a great experience. I think he had a blast. Let's talk about the actual show itself career. The readers of the wrestling observer gave it thirty nine point eight percent thumbs up forty six point five percent thumbs down thirteen point seven percent thumbs in the middle. How would you categorize this thumbs up thumbs in the middle for me? It was great to stall going back and watch it to me. It was a thumbs up and I enjoyed the hell out of it From the nostalgia and there was a lot in there for everybody. There was wrestling with Brett and bobby back when there was ha ha with lawler endorsed join. There was story with Sean and diesel and then there was a huge spectacle with undertaker Yoko and Chuck Norris so to me the pay per view had it all and it was fun to go back and revisit the best match according to the readers. That's not close as Bob back. Land and Bret Hart. Of course the worst mass the little person Jason Match Real Quick. Let's talk about the MSG show where backlands going to drop the belt belts word at the garden before a crowd estimated at seventy three hundred announcer announcer Howard. Finkel made the announcement of the match but stated in a tease that there would be a non title match and then exuberant exuberantly corrected himself after supposed change of plans given to him by agent Renee earlier in the show back onto the lobby interview to a chorus of heavy boos claiming that he was a much better moral leader than heart and fans tens. Of course we're training for both pre indies. meltzer would say the match itself was short as it needed to be because of who was in there with all the fireworks adding to the huge crowd Out Reaction to the title change later in the show. Diesel came out to thank the fans amid another barrage of fireworks and he was called the leader of the new generation nation on Monday night raw on November. Twenty eighth This is a big deal and we should mention that are over the weekend. It was announced on Mania. Show that diesel is going to be in fact replacing the injured Bret Hart as it had been advertised as Brent taking on backline but on the syndicated shows and on the nine hundred lines. They're announcing nope it's GONNA be diesel missile. Instead in fact on the way here I think they even started a tease that the match was going to be no no count out no submissions missions. Which I guess would have rendered Bob backlands chicken wing useless and backlands doing local interviews Toronto promote tickets of course saying saying hey it's not fair got a resolution so I've been trying to wrestle Bret Hart and now they're throwing me this curve ball? He's doing his best but I thought it was well done and checked all the boxes. Yeah it was and it was again. Transition periods can be awkward sometimes but they therefore they're they are it's a transition into new direction and we start our stepped a little bit with diesel but at the same time we we got moving and eventually once he was ready to leave hell dot got him over. Well I think diesel left because livestream wasn't around around back then but if it was my advice would have been you know Kevin. The holidays are approaching. And you might be thinking about hanging. 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If you're looking to do a little credit card consolidation right time for the holidays while you've livestream shot and maybe you needed to do that. This is his last television appearance in to a wrestlemania eleven in the following April he would be revealed as Owen. Hart's arts mystery partner going to beat the smoking guns for the tag titles you know. What did you? What did you think of their casket match here at the Royal Rumble And at the Royal Rumble compared to this one. Did you prefer this one or the first one perverted. This won't just just because of Chuck Norris and undertake going over however The first soul such a fucking train wreck it was it was different and hard to forget yet so maybe a tie but if I was having to pick a winner this would be the winner. Is this your last. WWE main event on pay per view. It feels like doc. Yeah and I think that. Not being able to work taker every night. Night in night. Out and Brent guys like that for a long time I think Yo Kinda got got lazy and you know it was. It was time for him to to do something thin and give him a little rest because he'd been running long and hard for a while. I mean really. It's SORTA winding down. I mean he is going to be tag match and one of the in your houses. It'll be Sean diesel again. In Ninety five they'll sort of patch things up and they'll take on Dave Cohen but this sort of feels like the beginning of the end for Yokozuna and the company for better were wrong on that well it was it was the beginning of trying to repackage in and get him into some kind of shape. That was the hope that was the goal. Oh bonded all well and you can hear more about your casino in the archives And don't forget man we've got so much fun stuff coming your way so we run through some of the cool all stuff we got coming up because it feels like there's a bunch we'll sure next gotta find the email because I have it all right in front of you. I got a baby. I'll do all the heavy lifting next. We've already talked about this but I'm pretty excited about survivor. Series Nineteen Ninety nine which is a big show for me. I was watching this one on pay per view. Live when it happened. It's your Thanksgiving tradition. Here on something wrestle. We're GONNA do watch along. We're going to drop it on Thursday night for normally would drop in Friday at noon next week. You're going to get it a little early. The main of it is the ultimate warrior's which is the ultimate warrior Jim nine heart and the rockers and there's a famous promo where the author order just running around these guys taping them up with athletic tape which is hilarious to me. They're going to take on the Heenan family. Bobby he andre the giant Haku and Arn Anderson. I think that's orange last big shot here with the company. Then we're GonNa do something totally different the week after. And this is one of our most requested shows and It's GonNa be fun because Bruce wasn't there it's Tuesday in Texas I guess you were there technically. But you weren't employed. Don't have that right. That is correct but I was there in Bobby. On December thirteenth will touch on Armageddon nineteen ninety nine just in time for the twenty year anniversary a few days before Christmas on the twentieth. We're GONNA DO HASHTAG ask Bruce Anything. And we're also going to include Vince. His monologue from December of Nineteen ninety-seven the cure for the common show. Where essentially Vince? It goes on raw and says we're not going to insult your intelligence with good guys versus bad guys that should be pretty fun on December twenty seventh. We're gonNA talk about something. We touched on the day. She Baby River cover the iron sheik and his historic win over. Bob backend of course we know were just about a month Shah Ah from Hulkamania becoming a thing in New York City on January third of twenty twenty. We'll start the new year with a bang baby talking about the mouth of the south. Jimmy Hart kicking. You can old school on January tenth will hit up New Year's revolution two thousand five just in time for the fifteen year anniversary on January seventeenth. We'll hit up the royal rumble. Nineteen ninety one of my absolute favorite shows. Tony Shivani on the call we get the teas of Hogan and the ultimate warrior for the first time on January you were twenty four th we'll touch on royal rumble nineteen ninety-five which is our next big show. After the one we discovered today. We're going to do something totally different on January the thirty first. We're going to revisit one of our very first episodes. I think the episode that put us on the map and I think you would agree. We're GONNA talk about the radicals when they jumped from WCW WCW to the WWF. Of course we're talking about Ben Wa we're talking about CIDER and we're talking about Dean Malingco Dharma Eddie Guerrero. We touched on that very early on but but it was just you and our free styling now. Since we've SORTA adjusted our format we have way more research or revisit. The entire shooting match start to finish. But I think that'll be a fun exercise for us because that was really the show that put us on the map. Would you agree. Yeah that was the three hundred seventy five thousand thousands downloads in two days. So that was that was a big one. You know when it came out of nowhere but that is also the story that made you pitch me this Namm show. Oh it is the genesis of US doing this. podcast is Bruce telling me the story of the radical. So we'll cover that on January thirty first market calendars and then February February seventh right around Super Bowl. Baby we're gonNA cover Sherri Martel. Don't blame me a voted for Sherry man. I've been trying to get this on forever. It never WANNA poll so damn damn it. We're just GONNA do it. That's a fun slater shows. Let's say you Bruce can't wait can't wait. I'm looking forward to Tuesday in Texas because I have never ever seen it on tape sought there. You know what I saw there that night. Live so looking forward to that and inter- interested in going back to the radicals. That should be fun to listen. I appreciate everybody listening this week. Hope you had as much fun as we did. Hope you have a great thanksgiving. You'll see us next Thanksgiving night. So we'll see you next Thursday for survivor series nineteen eighty-nine don't watch it. Watch it with us. It's GonNa be fun. It's your Thanksgiving tradition here on something wrestle he's at pictured Imax Conrad and we are out of time. We'll see you next week right here. On something to wrestle with Richard shuck Dave Silva Nod Donald They Silverman by the motherfucker. 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What the whole today I spent the entire morning in the dentist office in Dr Simon took really good care of me but yeah I getting to think that the years of self abuse not that kind of self abuse but I just think the years of abuse if finally they're they're catching up on me and what the fuck that real question. What is it when when people go back to work for Titan sports everybody has dental issues? Fucking Eric Bischoff. You've been back now twice. Everybody's got dental situations. As soon as they signed backup. Does McMahon have liked the best dental care around. Or what's the deal. Well I don't really know 'cause I had. I had my dental issues. She's well you know what actually no came back when I did come back. That's that's pretty fucking actor I think it's something in the water. Yeah yeah something in the water. It is and I'm excited because there's apparently something in the water today we're talking about one of our most requested shows ever this Tuesday in Texas a rare rare. Look at a show when Bruce Richard was not under the employ of WWe but he was technically at this show. We'll get into that and a lot more but but first we want to tell everybody how to make this a blue Christmas. Of course. We're talking about blue. This episode is brought to you by blue. Gosh remember the days as when you were always ready to go when you can increase your performance and get that extra confidence in bed. LISTEN UP BLUE DOT COM. That's blue lock the color blue and Blue Shoe brings you the first Jubal with the same. FDA approved active ingredients as both anger and Alice. You can take them any time day or not even on a full stomach and since the shoe will they were up to twice as fast as a pill you can be ready whenever an opportunity arises if you could benefit from more confidence where it counts. 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That was Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety eight which I know a lot. A lot of you are still listening to because it's that long. This was only an hour and thirty three minutes. So we're going to have an opportunity to really play the hips. I'm looking forward to this. One burst you WANNA give everybody a countdown when you say play. We'll press play. I will do it. I've got it all zeroed out Tuesday in Texas nineteen ninety-one seven hundred nineteen united will TV fourteen V.. For violence of Nineteen ninety-one is a different time. A different era. So I'M GONNA say five four three a two one play when I say play Rog and he gets that magic button in the middle of the screen and goes so here we go in five. Four are three to one play all right folks. We are here in the catacombs. They bows if you will of the Joe. Louis Arena in Detroit Michigan where the undertaker has just defeated hulk a mania. Ed you Mr Mr Barry. You have declared that Hulkamania as we know it is now dead. Oh Yea yea gene. Yes holster will not pose any more. He has gone onto another. The services are not finished. He will end right her. ooh Oh yes. We're my under acre. Will Deliver Lewis writes. Oh yes you yellow fucker. ooh Oh man. That's so good you know. It's one that we're watching this too because we just recently most of US elise lease had a chance to catch Steve Austin talking to the undertaker here on the network and they talk so much about the early days of the undertaker and this is really really shit and getting as a reminder the undertaker beat Hulk Hogan for the world title. I'll take a look at this. Look into the coffin Mr Oberland. It's phenomenal. What a great shot very well done here talking about Hulkamania being in this coffin from survivor series? Of course we've covered survivor. Series Nineteen Ninety archives. Be Sure to check that out at something. Russell DOT COM but one year later one year after the debut of the character he beats Hulk Hogan for the world title which is really only an honor that had been bestowed one other man the ultimate warrior back at Wrestlemainia six and nine hundred ninety. So you're all through those championship. Years Eighty four eighty five eighty six eighty seven eighty eight eighty nine and the first major lost that Hogan suffers for the title. You know besides the whole dispute with The double referee thing on. NBC is a pin fall loss to the ultimate warrior and now again here in nineteen ninety. Andy One with the undertaker and may look at this. What a great tree? I feel bad that we're talking over gorilla monsoon bobby the brain. This is my favorite duo oh WBF commentators in history. I think it's a lot of people's favorite duo. You go back and four all time fans it was either Jesse invents or bobby and guerrilla. I really enjoyed gorilla and Jesse as well. But there's something about Al Bobby Heenan that especially. I think there is a whole group of guys who rely my age and we've just sort of grown into appreciating the greatness of Bobby Heenan. You know maybe we didn't pick up on as a kid because we were just cheering for our favorites but as an adult man. You can't help but look at what this guy was doing. I think nobody was at his level. No bobby was I think amongst his peers as well longtime fans they always look. Look to Bobby Heenan as being the greatest manager of all time and no one living today my opinion would dispute that from from a working standpoint and just being able to get talent over his own as a heel he was able to get baby faces over in a big way by putting them over and knocking them at the same time knocking them in a negative positive way that it was an art form for some of the truly got it. Bobby was master of that. I mean when yeah I think about intercontinental champions. I know a lot of people. Think of Bret. Hart is the world champion and I started to get that but to me I'll always think of him as my intercontinental champion. He was my favorite as an intercontinental champion. He beat at Summer Slam earlier this year. Nineteen ninety-one Mr Perfect for that belt and it was such a great match in our really felt like Mr Perfect perfect was in a League of his own and he'd been well established with the big streak and then after that night with Brad Bryant was made man you know winning the bell and mass and Square Garden. The parents watching on just a few months later here. He's going to be defending the title against skinner and skinner somebody. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about here here on the show. Tell everybody about the man behind the character. Well my first impression when I look back at Steve Kerns during this this time was here was a guy. Why Watch this little girl she's just fodder? So Oh my God probably still. has those glasses in. Brentwood sign every one day. Did you know where they were in the town esprit cool. I'll sign a dated. I'm not offer he signed and dated. You don't put the arena and all that stuff in there so it was special was a keepsake. I think for everybody in that was Brett's little touch rating difference. But Steve Kerr Man. Steve was always a a guy who had threw out his career. He had pretty much played the the good looking handsome young fiery baby face stud and to see Steve in this incarnation with the flannel and the big beard. And in scruffy hair and chew the tobacco was this is more true of the human being. Steve Kern But the other the other incarnations of the people had seen him throughout what is career is one of the FABS with Stan Lane. You know he would come to the rain in bow tie in top hat. sequined Tuxedo top. And all the girls go crazy crazy. Bleach blond hair. Then to go into this incarnation. I thought was just thought. It was great because this was just closer to he would be Steve Kerr in any of the other ones. It's interesting that You know after. I think that's really probably looked over more than maybe it should have been on. But this guy is a member of the fabulous ones. And if you know if you're younger fan you don't really know that name or maybe weren't a territory. Doc Threatening Google machine take a look get what that is and then come back and remember. Hey this is skinner which is just unbelievable. We should mention that He started training meaning wrestlers even back in the late eighties even before he was finished wrestling as he's wrestling Brett here. He's forty years old and by this point he's already training guys and he's he's responsible for helping train guys like Mike Awesome Dennis Knight who we know is You know a member of of many factions including the Godwin's most of us remember miss famous Diamond Dallas page Trained within and Dustin Rhodes trained with him and even Tracy smothers but even the wwe looked to him. Once upon a time he was A big part of Florida championship wrestling. I think he was. I mean that was his school. That was his his whole shooting match right. Yes Abe was definitely a big a big part of the developmental program early on in the precursor to annex t and the performance center center. What it is now? started out as Florida Florida championship wrestling with Steve at the helm but stay was just a tremendous worker in Good guy that when he he met with Vince. You talk about these occupational given sometimes this skinner Steve Kerr would go out. Steve would have the license to you haunt gators in Florida and certain times of the year they would declare that you could hunt gators and I think everybody could get to in in. Steve would get people to get licenses and take them on a gator hunt. Now if you've never been on a gator hunt that's kind. It was scary thing I actually wanted to do it with him. One time and just never got the chance to do it. But if they didn't want to kill the gate or not they can at least be on the hunt. Steve would do it for them. And that would be just more either me or high of for Steve You Steve Give them one and he would keep one But he just loved his gator hunting. I think that if if you you get down to it and say what do you want to do. All Day Long You'd probably have one answer and then the other one would be hunt gators. What what was the first in Bay wrestle? Okay like what the Hell what the hell do you think goes well. I thought since you were talking about how you'd abused your body. It may have been puff. Puff pass pass and then I thought of our sponsors should maybe you you probably thought search. Yeah well they're cracking down on me. I think I got a AW pocket on on some of the language house using on the chew ads. We'll clean it up a little bit now. Were but still no blue that she works like to the point where well I'll tell you a story off air but a friend of our seven actually We should mention as you said at the top of the show. Show December third nineteen ninety-one Freeman Coliseum. We're in San Antonio Texas there's about eight thousand fans here. The reason this show has not already been covered by because this is definitely my shit. Boy I love this era. You weren't here for this not technically. You're in the building but this is when I think. I think Vince called called this year. Hiatus is that right. Yes this is my first titus not fire just on hiatus I gotTa tell you it's It's pretty surreal to think about the fact that you're no longer on hiatus in your ear there air. I gotTa send you a picture later that I Have my phone of you advance. That pretty cool shot. Oh my let's talk talk about This interesting concept here. Let's be plenty of time for us to talk about this book very unique opportunity. This the show's called to Tuesday. Newsday this Tuesday in Texas you guys. We'll try this again years later by the way what Ashini fucking name well okay. Let's talk about it. I don't think it's Shitty of name because well once upon a time you guys were calling the show Friday night smackdown and you used to collar show Monday night raw. I feel like putting windy as matters. And you're doing this on a short turn. The worst only six days removed removed from survivor series so very much traditional pay per view survivor series. Nineteen Ninety one. I think most people are used to that concept happening on Thanksgiving this is actually Thanksgiving Eve. So it's one day sooner than normal and you decide to run in a bit of a test. Of course. Historically pay per views are on the weekend survivor series was the exception. You decided to try Tuesday or the company decides to try Tuesday you pay per view which they would try more than a decade later for taboo Tuesday with a totally different concept but still Tuesday pay per view. Now the dynamic years later later made sense. Because you've got the go home show the night before on raw where you can really hammer and two days before on Sunday night. Heat where you can really hammer hammer and say no forget. Don't miss or you syndicated shows whatever he had. This is different. You know you had survivor. Series happened on a Wednesday. You had your syndicated shows air over the weekend Monday night raw doesn't exist and you're trying a Tuesday pay per view. How far back had Vince wanted to try? A weekday pay per view as opposed to weekend. I I can't really answer that I don't know and I do know. After the fact Kinda the philosophy lost fee behind it was experimental to try to do something off of the controversy of the one pay per view. Go the next week. Utilizing only your syndication shows to promote it on that Saturday and Sunday all across the country into concentrated at by effort within your cable properties. In every place that you could try and promote this Tuesday in Texas and I I was actually kind of joking about what a Shitty fucking name but as you stated it was really a genius name because it just told told you what was happening. And where the whole deal everything this Tuesday in Texas and then all your sub plot and everything else was was underneath that Hulk Hogan tries to avenge losing the WWF championship but again in the promos that weekend. Normally you've got a three month bill or a four-month bill at survivor series dude. There's more of a runway for that on a short runway like this in every promo it was this Tuesday in Texas. I mean it ties you fucking no not a month from now not three weeks from now. Don't Mark Your calendar Motherfucker. It's this Tuesday in Texas Great. It's urgent you get. You know I think just the by doing it that way that you gotta see this. I can't miss it. It's just Tuesday. There's an urgency to and I really don't know I don't know how well it did reality wise but it's the same time it was interesting experiment airman. I think it'd be done probably done really well. It would have done more of them right. There's your answer that's your answer. Yeah well listen in those in those days. It's always hard to sort of pin down a number we will talk about. You know what the Bar was but the the concept is definitely interesting and I think it's cool that they were willing to step out and try something as a kid. I absolutely loved it now. Did pop up by this forty Thompson. Pop Pop not BOP BOP was there. Yeah Palm POPs here. This is still showing up to events but no he he My Dad definitely bought this for me. Because I was a little Hulkamania Act to spend well established on the show cannot believe the God damn undertaker beat him. You know we finally got the ultimate warrior out of the way but now this new monster she here we got to get rid of him so I did not miss it and there'll be lots to talk about with that. I think backstory with our main event is just phenomenal by the way the match that we're watching now Dave meltzer would write in his observer is a decent opener and he gave the two and a quarter star critique the mass by saying it started out kind of slow since skinner is pretty well past washed up but brick carried it to a decent mass but a lot of near falls toward at the end before skinner took a bump off the top rope and submitted to the sharp shooter which they're definitely establishing as a real finishing maneuver. You know man Dan. They're having a hell of a match. No I agree. I just think you know. MELTZER has favorites than for whatever reason he thinks that when any arrests are turned forty they were old except for ric flair and then when he was phenomenal of our issue Mashi Cozy Zoo food. You are as snipers JAS is the case. I just think it's fascinating that you know. The way we perceive age wrestling has changed so much. You know like once upon a time you know it was. Oh He's forty. He's he's elderly but that wasn't the case a generation before the observer because house were wrestling well into their fifties and hasn't been the case in the in the last S. fifteen years Gaza wrestling wealth path. Maybe twenty years absolutely. I think that that just you know is a testament to the caliber of athlete. That is competing competing that they've been able to go that long and take it forty. He's washed up right. ooh You know now's the time where everybody wants to remind you holiday Jay styles but you already know. He's forty two. He's a kid no argument argument. I'm just saying the idea that we're saying skinner's passed up. He's literally two years longer than AJ is now and everybody's well as as one of the best wrestlers of all time and I'm arguing now. I'm not arguing. The agency in his prime. He's young Daniel Bryan. It's thirty eight years old and in two years. Do they washed up. Come Yeah He. It was Washington about five years ago. Shut up every time every time I look at him I just think back to when he was just that fresh-faced kid in in San Antonio Training Sean Michael School. He's just gone. So good height legitimately. I know we're talking Tena Brian now. We're not supposed to talk her and stuff. But I I had this discussion on social media recently bell to bell take all the creative stuff out take character stuff out out just bell to bell in Ring Wrestling Dana. Lebron's gotta be top-five ever right. He's great yeah definitely is I mean. I'd put him the top ten. Yes either way I mean. I know you're older than me. And you have a different purview. I mean I didn't see a lot of the stuff east. I didn't see Jack Brisco. I didn't see Dorje. I didn't want to go to sleep so I I saw some Terry Fox and But I just kept watching the match ric flair over and over and over again now. That's not true he did was he just just different opponents. Okay I can say that I love Rick I say it to rick or case. Don't everybody get all fucking bent out of shape. He listened to the show by the way I know and I love him. Not Not all the greatest of all time rick flares up there in the top five. Aw what a controversial take that was you know I. It does fascinate me. Rick listens to our podcast because he got bored with ours fairly quickly as you know and he. He doesn't listen on the PODCAST APP in a traditional way but at night when he's like trying to go to sleep e- He'll fire up the DISLEY. Say Rick Rick doesn't sleep like a normal person all right here comes jake the snake and by the way this is. He'll jake. This is Great Shit. Let's lay out. I'M GONNA play this interview for our audience. Listen to here. We're at nineteen eighteen. Oh Seven Oh eight or nine ten and here you go. Here's Sean Mooney with Jake backstage. Elisabeth Randy savage is wired to the MACs. He cannot wait to get. Get you into the ring. So as cold as a razor blade is tied as attorney. Ki- like the skin on a dying man randy savage the last time I I seen you. You were flailing some helpless child drowning drowning from what rounding from the very poison. That was running through your veins at that snake could shoot on that arm for some time. He did chew. Now you look at my eyes randy savage and you see two black holes in the sky but you look at that snake is and you'll see something so cold so devilish in so deliberate. Yes he takes care of what he has to does what he has to just like me. Your is you're out you're gone but shows is I enjoy the most do you Elizabeth's pupil so small so intent so scared for the man she loved. And what a rush I got man up and down on my back. It felt so good my hair felt like it was tingling. I mean I had goosebumps all over my body listening to you squeal for for a man that could not do anything but flail around couldn't help himself at all and see the thing about Jack Tunney bar in the snake from the corner. Let me tell you something Jack Tunney. When I was brought into this world I could not rob I could not steal? I could not lie. I couldn't even cheat it but boy did I have some help learning. You have taught me so well so you see it is not my fault anything I do out there. You have given me the right. You have almost pushed the button to make me do it. You have pulled the trigger so anything that I do. Is Your fault snake in a corner. Trust me trust arrest me. Let's go to Jeanne. Oakland Dude WanNa Promo if you're not in the loop on the greatness. That is jake the snake God. Damn the lessons. Lessen the Macho Macho waste freaking out freaking out freaking out cheek to sneak on. Bring out your little. Snakes gave it in the thank. Because I'm GonNa put you in the bag after we're all done tonight. You understand what I'm seeing your little coomer alleged onto my armone armone. Yeah well we didn't feel so good not off. He didn't look too sweet caress him. This Elizabeth did not not gonNA go over there on. Keep your hands to yourself and keep the sneak in the bag. Don't bring it on a brand new pair of boots. Well Year. The free guilt free. Gill believe it or not me gene. Why are they killing me down until Amita rep this? Yeah Man Hong first-name by last name man three more behind that if you really WanNa know what I'm talking about You bring it on the sneak. Rin Texans e GonNa put a kill we boots on a kick your S. Ask Liz this to go on their own. The snake man all riquelme. ooh Yeah sorry to do teeth in my fucking sold uptown. Just saying I appreciate you power and through by the way. There's so many great storylines going on. You're not just the Hulk Hogan Undertaker ric flair situation but as a reminder the way we got here is the the alternate warrior. beat the Macho Man. Randy savage at wrestlemania retire matched. Here comes right from behind so the macho man had to retire but but he's out of retirement when at Summer Slam ninety one he gets a special present at the after the match made in Heaven Match Made Maiden Hell his wedding reception a opens up a box. Of course. It's the snake the undertaker's there. Everybody knows it's Jake. The snake on this eventually the the snake would bite the Macho Man Randy savage which we've talked about before here on the show just a phenomenal angle. I mean it looked real because it was real and as a kid the idea that you see a snake biting a man on TV was just fucking mind blowing and so you know naturally. He's he's been allowed the opportunity to rescind his retirement to avenge this The situation and of course we involved Miss Elizabeth not just with snake jumping out of the box but also Wa watch them in is tied up. Jake is not exactly super polite and I love the way. They gimmick the Macho Man's bandits here where he's got the arm wrapped up where he was bidden. But they've also gimmick some blood on there. It looks like it's bleeding through everything about this man is just checking all the boxes for me peak. WWF stuff for me. Thank God for Sid Justice. My favorite line of the whole thing said justice coming in and stopping that Goddamn attack. Thank God for Justice so yeah it was beautiful storytelling and it was a great way to bring randy back. A nice summer off came back and married his wife on national television. Probably the best way to guarantee. There's something while last Xavier Wedding on television division. No I'm not arguing. That is fairly accurate. Let's talk about some rumor and Innuendo here Sort of behind the scenes. They're going to have a little bit of time. The situation relation with their real life relationship the macho man of course and and Miss Elizabeth. It's been said that by the time they got married on. TV It was already a little rocky in real life. Would you think that's true You know I I don't know I would say from my experience with him and during the summer during that summer after wrestlemainia seven and after I I got fired I drove down. We spent time with them at their home and everything seemed good. I was with him the night in Madison Square Garden when they renewed their vows and did the whole marriage and everything and from an outsider. My live animals point from being friends with them outside and not being in the bubble a Seemed to be normal So I don't know I don't really know I don't know if that revisionist theories in history if you will at the time I didn't get that feeling. Let's talk about The Macho Man's look here most longtime. I'm Tom Fans. Are Thinking of the Macho man with with the boots and the small trucks and the big rope here. He's wearing long tights and he's wearing a shirt sort of the fringe arms. And he's got a jacket and a cowboy hat. He's totally changed his look here conspiracy theorists would say well all this coincides with the same time that the was implementing a steroid policy for the first time. I've always thought now. This is just randy wanting to switch it up and sort of reinvent himself what say you ready always loved to reinvent himself in radio when Randy went from being the Macho Man Randy savage to the macho king completely. Reinvented reinvented the way. He dressed the whole nine yards. And that's when I started introducing a lot of this. Look the end this designer Michael Michael in Florida who designed a lot of this stuff and he wanted to change up what he was doing so this was randy just constantly not not wanting to be stale and wanting to reinvent himself embiid different not just be be able to substitute one picture from five years ago for what he's he's doing today was Kinda his theory he always wanted to be new. It's the old MEMPHIS THE DISCOUNTED MEMPHIS attitude Tennessee because those guys sold their own gimmicks right. They would sit out the picture table and they would sell for by six pictures for dollar well. Same people bought the shit every week. They had to constantly keep taking new pictures and change up. Something think so that those same people come back and buy new pictures and get him autographed and really what they're looking for the interaction with the Star. I mean it didn't matter what they're selling on. I just wanted to buy it from them right exactly but if you have something new to offer them then a large segment of the audience this is GonNa want that new they WANNA have okay. Great I have what's old now what you have that is. Quote old is now collector's item. The watching all jake. The Snake Lake is just so fun for me the short arm clothesline. And you see working on the hurt arm of the Macho man peeling at the bandage. And you know machos sorta going along. But the minute he jake punches him in the quote Unquote Wound Macho just loses his mind and attacks them. They're telling a great story here here. meltzer would say you know that the match itself was only average but the post-match was pretty memorable and we're going WANNA see that in a minute he gives the whole thing three stars saying that it was two stars based on the match but the extra star for the post-match thing and even says and this is quite a compliment from pretty notoriously negative towards the WBF. Dave Meltzer in this era a says This was just about the most dramatic angle I've ever seen most angles in wrestling are usually rush through so the needed drama. Isn't there If anything this went on for too long Lord knows they needed something big to get Roberts over as a main event. He'll draw. They did something big but whether or not it works as another story but what we're going to see in the post mass year is really really tremendous and you know I mean. Look at the the crowd. They're on their feet. They're ready for this that there is this has that old. What's it's the old Johnny Valentine? I can't make you believe wrestling's real but you'll believe I'm real damn right and that that's what this reeks of it reeks of okay you know. CNN Bret Hart was a good wrestling match but man. This is a fight. These guys really hate each other and you didn't have to be sold that very much. He see they're trying to do is. Stop the Macho man from using a chair against all my God. I'm not going to take Tony Korea. I'll sit down on my okay. But there's enough padding their take the bill throw the young guys down by God. Eaten the last astles eaten by the way don't agree. I got that but the guy who was the bill keeper The timekeeper who was just pushed down the guy who used to throw a stone cold Louis Beers just so everybody understands how long did was here and look at this Bam. DDT Out of nowhere so in an effort to keep the macho man. Dan from injuring. Jake the snake Roberts with a weapon what they accidentally do is set up the macho man for a perfect not looking at the fans. Everybody's on their feet the snake was banned from ringside budget by Jack Tunney after you know the whole snake by situation Russian so but even still people are like well. What's he gonNA do now? And they're ready for it now master restoring telling than I thought it was. You're watching literally to the best of all time. Absolutely J. Just masterful. He'll baby-faced deface whatever role. He portrayed Jake was able to bring the audience on a ride with him without having to do a whole lot and he didn't do a whole lot because because he didn't have to another one not one but two and what if he's not done well at least she doesn't have the snake it's banned. How Green isn't this man? The DVD was so well established. Had there been a finishing maneuver maneuver. Besides lawler's piledriver talking. WWF had there been a finishing maneuver that the audience was sort of Pavlovian with where they knew. Oh he hits that it's Doan on. I mean they know short arm clothesline here comes the DT. And if he does the whole you know Circle Finger Wag Gimmick here comes I mean Hogan you know Hogan's finishing sequence but also probably snuck a splash For J. hit that out of nowhere. That was the beauty of the DT. And that's what made it that. That instantaneous pop because Jay could hit it out of nowhere until everybody what whenever Jake was asked about Daddy. Hey what does it mean. What did he say the end? I think that's great. Hey the letters d. t. what does that mean. The end sold a shirt. You know and In the watts territory wasn't cruel but fair. Yes just everything about Jake Roberts when you really dig in this era is just fucking Goldman. And it's a wonder and I. I guess I wanted your opinion here. Why was he not position to do more on on top with Hulk Hogan was a money? Dispute was becoming less reliable and the substance stuff started creeping a little too much would just based on on the heel character worked and the size. Because I know people look at Jake Roberts skinny legs let me think He was the big of a guy. He's cogan tiny shange. He's I'm I'm six three or whatever he towers over me he's got to be a real life six five or six six or six seven and he's tall. He's tall dude. He's just as tall all this whole coburn. Look at look at the way. The referee even respect. Jake takes the bag out from underneath the ring and throws it in the ring and the referee sells the bag. And this was great by the way you know you see some people poking holes in logic modern wrestling where there and look look at the shot. Look at the way the shot's with Liz running down Goddamn. This was great. I think the best work that nobody ever did when you weren't fucking there okay. I'm busting Austin balls. What a great shot though for them both being the poodle taught him how to take that shot? Yeah it was the SNOT nose from Houston. No at all. I guess we're snuggle Tooth Jones today though. Now it's in the back man. It's just the only thing and the twos never heard or just broke but What her spouse? My tongue is still then slow. Lap and from the numbing. Bullshit man man. What a great scene you know? Miss Elizabeth has already seen a defenseless randy savage bitten by snakes. She can't stand the idea of having a happen happen again here. So she's here to throw herself on top of him and please don't hurt him and they're going to milk this a little that of course but what a natural story. This is like a movie right here. This is less about a match and more about a movie the I can't help but see this scene. and think of the whole Vince McMahon line from beyond the Maori takes a Swig of the water and he says we make movies. Because that's kind of what this yet in here. Jake is you know showing showing Elizabeth or husband and he's absolutely defenseless and here's another. Dd just for you just for you. Look in my eyes is there he is. That's for you. You made me do this so they look at him. Look at him so the goodstuff grabs the bag and by the way I was talking about with modern wrestling them into go. People are like why are there tables ladders and chairs and and kindle sticks underneath the ring ring. But if you're he'll it makes sense that you just slip a little black bag under there and nobody's GonNa pay attention to that and they don't know that it's not extra parts for the ring or bolts or whatever whatever nope it's a fucking Cobra it's awesome or is it or is it it. Could everybody knew there. It was a cobra inside that bag when the when the glove comes out to do just the the addition of the glove from the normal jake the snake presentation and it's not just glove. It's a fucking black glove because of course it is get half black to be able to handle a cobra. So let's talk about the behind the scenes of this this day. This is in San Antonio. So you're gonNA ride bond visit friends. I guess at this point you're already working with the Global Wrestling Federation ration- If you want to call it. That wasn't I was completely unemployed at this point. And you're trying to just come feel it out or visit friends or just take the temperature or should. I met Vince. The First Night Benson Pat we went to whataburger in Corpus Christi. I hung out the night before. Yeah so yeah we just gotTa know hung out down see friends and Beg for job Kinda like Jake is. He's telling Lisbeth right now. Beg Me Beg Me Beg me not to do any more and you can hear all of it. And now if he's putting his hands on Liz which had never been done before the watch the crowd what people are covering covering their mouth and he slaps her looking in the background. Oh yeah gone to believe Jackson. He's ready to go now again. This that apart doesn't age well. No one should slap a woman. That's not cool. But in this era John Wayne and obviously that's a different era a slap. Didn't chicks in every movie like it. This is a bygone era. Where that was more acceptable? Shouldn't have been. It is what it was did for he and of course ladies and gentlemen it wasn't working slap. I mean there's no way anybody's really slapping Elizabeth with Randy savage in the ring Komo especially Jake. Yeah he he made sure that to. She went down under his control. There's no stake in the bag. There's no state there's no state this is just genius. He's got the bags is the show Jack Tunney. There is so state. Cross my heart in Yahoo. Who wouldn't take the word of a snake? I mean even in the Promo. Wow that we just listened to a minute ago. Trust me. Trust me Dude What a genius angle? How will done was the S? I I mean I know that some folks are GonNa be super-critical because of the slap on Elizabeth and I'm not making excuses for it at all clearly shouldn't and can't happen now we know better Swell Pat Patterson right there now referring to him as Dr Pat Patterson here what was he a doctor of his doctor of love. I thought you were well. You're gone you need a new doctor love there. You go at basis J. J. J. K.. Jas Everyone we WANNA ask about Rene Goulet they always. WHO's the guy with a little Dutch boy haircut? Tell Everybody Maronite Rene Goulet. He's to wear the Michael Jackson Glove than would do a claw. But he never WANNA match. Man Rene was French Canadian. He did he did very well. Over the years in the Carolinas and up north in the whole New York territory in Montreal but Rene was What you would call journeyman wrestler? But they're very well respected very nice man so remarkable double to me the way the story was told and the Promo that randy savage is GonNa cut in a few minutes is unlike anything you've ever seen from Randy you've got to go out of your way to watch the interview with Jake this match and then the first Promo with with Macho was good but the second. The Second Promo was on a look at his face. Dave this is this he just is now realizing that Elizabeth is hurt and she's selling her so you know she's still selling the slap and he selling then he put her. Why did you come out? Why did you know I put you in that position? Let's listen to the Jake Roberts hitting a woman. How could you woman no man wants a woman that's GonNa lay down in grumble and back for somebody's life? If it's a woman that I want. I want her to stand up stand up and be his for slapping her sector. Put outside myself. Slapped Eugene Oakland but I'll tell you something randy savage due to an you was fine. That rudy felt good feeling around in my life grand jury Turell Bernie's that was and then when I put my a hand across her face my man it felt so good I snapped up pay for that. Yeah I would pay that. So the next time you'd think about crossing the snakes path and a snake state chooses. Its own path where nobody else wants to go. You think about it again but if you do decide to please do me one. Can you please bring her back. Let me touch you again. I'll get please. Robert can cultivate her into something that even I could tweet I could do that. Trust me trust me please. I reduced Colorado monsoon. Let's get back get Outta Outta here trust in so well done and now this by the way I just watched this again for the first time since the happened This past week or maybe two weeks ago prepping for the show. I had no idea that the warlord had they w taped into the back of his head or cut his hair in the back of his head. That's amazing miss that on this year. Really you never knew that you know maybe it was because I didn't have high definition or maybe I just didn't like warlord. I was a British bulldog mark and by the way as dumb as this is now on his pad of Mashes this is now this whole full Nelson. WHO has the battle of the full Nelson here? The fucking into that. I mean that's how dumb I was is a ten year old. This is Great Shit. Now every dumb full Nelson is fuck doc in snug hulled. Well by the way the warlord is there more menacing looking. He'll he looks like a goddamn action. Movie Villain warlord. Looks like the Thanos. Have you had a avengers movie I haven't seen it. He's the big main Ayn. He'll that I should give away the finish. That fucking movie is so Goddamn Light Lager Halloween havoc. What about this better better? I'm GonNa make our fucking talk of the vendors just disappear. Hey Fuck it. We're talking about wrestling. What are you doing one all right so he looks like Dan knows our audience will get that? You're the only one got the warlord great Mr Perfect Story. I Dunno you hate when we tell these types of stories but it's famous for him telling the sheet interview that once upon a time allegedly Or Lord asked Mr Perfect to Give him a shot and when he gave him a shot it shot across. Aw Cheek and across the room on the wall and he and perfect pat on the back said your your awful POW. I don't know why. But that fucking tickle tickle me that it's almost like it's a you know a glass of soda or something and over fills this look though that the warlord has here is just unbelievable. I mean one of the most Jag nudes in the history wrestling here and definitely a menacing individual. But yet a PIP. Squeak manager that it doesn't necessarily fit in this day. The downtown Moreno have liked or at Harvey whip woman have naked pictures to somebody or Housi- in this roll here it feels like he's woefully out of place but managing the warlord Big City Said said brought Bruna win and and wanted to manage and basically gone take care of along the way instances a baby face at the time and could manage did ahead so sit helped get him a job and Brenta was hard. Were still there with the company. Oh my God. Yeah without a doubt. I'm not disparaging. You know his his His effort by the way when you take a look at Bryn on the outside. He's a big memphis. Golf Course said you being from the part of Arkansas. It's just right over the the bridge from Memphis so he grew up as A MEMPHIS guy. He's GonNa do the Fargo Strut here in a minute and it's a very particular style strike and I didn't catch it. There's a kid because of course I didn't know what the Fuck Afar threat was a Washington back this this week or whenever a Washington it stuck out like a sore thumb and made all the sense in the world by the way unfortunately that great. We've seen two really good mashes. This is Kgo twelve minutes and forty five seconds by the way not a bad rating two and a quarter order stars in the observer it got the same rating as Bret Hart and the skinner. So he wasn't necessarily terrible with it. But my goodness was this match too long for me this week when I watched it. Yeah I can see that but at the same time that are not rushing through it. They're not doing. A bunch of high spots are actually telling a story and that they're slowing down. Tell Her story in. It is coming right off of the Jake and savage match so their role here is okay. Let's settle everybody down and will get them ready for what's to come here. At the the end of the night we should mention that The Gate for this show was about one hundred thousand dollars. It doesn't one point. Oh by rate which they classified as a disappointment. This appointment which we've covered. We kind of knew that. Because I don't even try it again for like thirteen years and then they would bring back tabby Tuesday but that didn't last very long either so again not the best. You may have wondered. Hey what's a one point Obara main it means roughly four hundred thousand buys which these days would be considered a huge success excess. Obviously pay per view is way different but I'm not supposed to talk about this but there's another wrestling company that's still does pay per view and they don't do anywhere near ear four hundred thousand miles and it's considered a success but in this era wwf pay per views. We're doing a lot more than that to be considered a success. You know Wrestlemainia five. Ah which officers were years. Removed from was just gangbusters and as was wrestlemainia six and so it was a different level of expectation so a four hundred thousand buys at by the way a reduced paper. He price was not considered to be gang busters business exactly now just IOS as you sit here and you look at this match and you kind of in your mind without having the opportunity to ever meet or talk to either one of these individuals in the ring you look at the warlord. He Looks Scary Kinda Guy. Were not very not approachable. However you know of the of the two in the rain warlord was just the nicest guy you'd ever WanNa just hang out with and talk to very soft offs spoken kind respectful in just one of those kind of quiet guys? Hello Hey how you doing. Hey what's is going on. I saw really cute dog. The other day Just just a sweetheart of a passage and overseeing here though a bear hug now again different era wrestling. It's a big man spot. But they're literally just standing in the middle of the ring and bulldog is gonNA wiggles arms around trying to get the fans into it. I feel like and again. I don't know shit about wrestling but pudding such an emotional angle. Aren't your heart out there. That's a hot match wjr. He's doing a lot of fast paced stuff technical stuff. It's a good wrestling match. You follow it with this big emotional angle. It feels like a big adrenaline Lindop. I've heard you use the phrase. Is this what Vince would have called a let me outmatch sure it is but at the same time it had story three so it was a completely different style and throwing had the emotion that just kind of took that ah over the top between jae-kun savage. So yeah this is this is something to. Let's bring everything back a settle. Everybody down now and the next two matches are designed just for that so that the last match is going to have the impact that they were looking for. This is a rematch from Wrestlemainia So this is well established now for months and months they've talked about on TV sanded on house shows So yeah this does have some story to it the whole idea of you know. Let me up really didn't click for me until maybe five years ago when I heard our great close personal friend Michael. PSA'S PODCASTS will Steve Austin and he was talking about a match and the way to tell a match and tell the story that you make fans you know who were seated. Stand up and sit down and stand up and sit back down stand end up and sit back down and putting them on this emotional roller coaster through the course of a match and when I really hurt somebody explained that for the first time. What are the next matches I saw live live with Kevin Owens right after his debut with John Cena and really had an appreciation for while people call Johnson big match John? Because you go back and you watch that And there were so many moments that were up down up down up down up down. I found myself sure joining the match but I was also watching the crowd and I could see the way they were doing. Exactly what. Hey said made a great match up down up down up down and I really. I don't know that I understood. Sort of the EH. Let me up match until I understood that you can't do that every single match you've gotTa have masses where you just say fuck. That was a roller coaster. I just I need a break I need an adrenaline dump here for a minute. Well the the entire show is a roller coaster. Hopefully if it if it's good and you want to take people on an emotional roller coaster ride not just in each individual match but throughout the body of a show whether there'd be a three hour show a two hour show or a marathon pay per view you you hope that you're going to give your audience a chance to kind of regroup a little bit and settled down and get their beer and their popcorn and be ready for for the next one but you still you still WanNa enjoy. What's on screen and you still want to be invested? Maybe not as much as the bigger matches. But it's just she you're you letting them up you're letting them breed because you can't you know there is an analogy. Sometimes when you look at you can look at every eh any in everything and I like everything to sex in. It's kind of like you can just put your Dick in and come for two hours or you can take on a ride and you can take them out to dinner and you can hopefully go in for a kiss and then maybe you can cuddle on the couch couch and you can start making out and you can have a little four play in then you have sex and then reach a climax you know what's her sees As I've only heard one other person wrestling talk like that and compare it to sex and it was jake the snake Roberts and you know I know that's that's not sort of the talk about comparisons to now but I do think it's a fair analogy and and even when I was young my sales career I'll never forget man and where I was. I was in a sales meeting. Probably seven maybe I was eighteen. I was very very young and myself. Career and the sales trainer came in from another part of the country. And everybody's like Oh my gosh. This guy knows everything I mean. He's had all the success and he made the exact same analogy you you did. Except he talked about when you were going for the clothes and in sales going for close is is like you know building to a Finnish in a match and and he. He clapped his hands. And he's like now when it's when when you're about when you're when you're ready to go for the clothes it's just like sex guys. That's when we really start fucking. They do his hands like that. And I'm like Oh my God I get it and now to hear that that analogy exists in wrestling too. Because that's when you really building to the Finnish it's it's weird. How that analogy works is not it is because most people can identify with it and relate to it? Sure her so. It's it's anything that you do. You know for example you you want to go to a great Broadway show. I mean it's the whole how. How am I gonNA get tickets than getting the tickets and actually getting the tickets in your hand the trip to the show and then the curtain comes up in your you can apply it to anything but the simplest most male chauvinist barbaric way to do it his way that I just did? Yeah and again. That's you know now. Pc talking something we can talk about outside this podcast. Fuck it we give you guys the real shit here. Well let's talk about formatting a card fundamentally I heard Dusty Rhodes once upon a time a quite building arrests in car at a wrestling show due to the circus. You gotTa have the clowns gotTa have the Lion Tamer you gotta have the trapeze artists. You gotTa have the Jugglers. Whatever you've got something for everybody it's like a buffet style? There's something for everybody. How much of that exists in wrestling today? I think a lot of it still exist. Ah Chin in their different philosophies as far as do you start with the Big Bang or do you start slow and build build I like starting with a bang and finishing with a bang like a beginning middle end but giving them something in the very the beginning. That is like okay. Wow Man. I'm glad I tuned in for this. But then start taking them on a on a let them up Brigham down you know. Get them back up. Let him down. starting up I like started out with the Big Bang in the start of the show is to me equally as important as the close of the show. You start big and you start hot brought by God that just sets the tone for the rest of the show. There's the crucifix and that's IT and by the way a crucifix as a finish the first time I remember seeing it again. I'm ten years old. I really felt British bulldog invented that because I don't remember seeing that anywhere Oriole's didn't but that that finish that curse. I did right after the headlock again. Our Crucifix I think is just underrated A few weeks ago. I know we don't talk about current stuff but a few weeks ago on the way to survivor series rea- Ripley slid in when when Charlotte ahead the figure eight on Sasha banks and it looked like Sasha was about the tap and Ripley just laid arm or leg over. It was a natural transition to crucifix Crucifix and the Internet blew up with. What a genius finish that was? I think the crucifix as a as a woefully underrated finish are here. We go what. What a great piece of business this is about to be Sean Mooney is bringing it back? And here's the monster man. I've got to play this audio. You can hear it here. We go research justice upset over what took place out there as you are the ground crews to greeted. Elizabeth sneak. Never forgive myself. It's the worst day of my life that I let him sweet through hands on Elizabeth. You Lay Durand John Eliza from my fault. It's the you said something about. Hey would you show you the dark side until you something me. Let me tell you something. Now let me tell you something right now to get you get you pay. No Stopping Wean Gordy got what you wanted minority even piece of you the Paul Bley myself. Bliss Elizabeth Touched Elizabeth unbelievable man. That said it's over it's over no control brokered. Maneuvering neum mark jury. Who became rain? You Beg you not in yet. Who knew something right Joe Telling you something man I'm telling you over and then even started you understand doing that. Play Myself Yeah my my God what a performance you know you have to watch this Hope hopefully you're listening but macho them in wasn't doing his standard right right in front of the camera pointing at it. Hey did do some of that but cooling down on the ground just distraught like dude. One of savage's Best S. promos ever and I don't feel like anybody talks about it because it's not your standard Promo but I think that's what made it so great. We'll made us a great was also also the fact that that was probably the first time that you were able to hear Randy vocalized that he cared and about Elizabeth. Yes great point so that brought you in. Because you didn't get the normal macho man stuff and Dan you were able to feel what randy was stealing for years and years. He would be very dismissive and rude. He's a he'll of course but it was like he was too cool for school that she's lucky to be with me. Because I'm the Macho Man. This is the first time that you see it. Not just you know. Will you marry me me which is like okay. I guess I'm going to do this. But this is him pouring his heart out to the camera really a masterful performance and followed up by the the fucking Repo. Man Yes Virgil. Yeah no not not just virgil it's the Matador Virgil Tina. Santana here is El Matador which I gotTa admit I liked better because I I came into the a game of of being a wrestling fan when strikeforce was broken up and I never saw Tito as a singles really much before besides the whole random Ariba and I I just whatever but this was well. That's fucking cool giving me. And he's a bullfighter so I understand that this time. There's a lot of occupational gimmicks that one was one that has the kid was like. Oh that's actually a pretty cool but the repo man even as a kid. I was like well. This is just fucking stupid especially when I know even as a ten year old this dude was one of the most bad ass. Mother fuckers in the League when he was part of demolition. Have what you know that. He's wearing a mask. Well because the fucking paint rob off. Don't be addicted. He's wearing a mask is repo man. No one knows who he is. Jack Leg hamburglar. Well we know where he comes around because the license plates on the back of his jacket the I gotTa tell you I just saw those and I remember putting that together before I knew. The jackets gets a reprimand. But I didn't know that it was cut pieces the license plate and I mean I remember the shoulders being like tire tread or whatever but my God this was like Randy the savage in here with just warmed up leftovers not randy savage. You know what I mean Ted. DB OSCE ten DB Ozzy's still the million dollar man to me me here and that's a big character and the million man was always a big character. May but this is like well this is retread Tito Santana and literally literally retread demolition smash and fucking Virgil. Can you believe that reversal dias. He was hot at this time. Okay it wasn't to me but I understand what you're saying. It you know they. They'd had that relationship of being on the same side and Virgil had. Just it just turned wrestlemainia. Suet was still fairly fresh with DLC Virgil by the way. I can't believe this is Real Life Ladies and gentlemen but as much as I wanNA shit all this because I do This is the highest rate of the thing on the show. So far the for according to Dave Meltzer Meltzer gave the first match two and a quarter order stars. Then he gave randy savage three SARS which is just fucking way too low bulldog warlord two and a quarter and now this one gets three and a half this is the highest rated thing on the entire fucking show that can't be real well again that's Giving validity to completely valid source. Well let's talk about what the readers of the Observer thought they too thought it was the best match. He'd beat everything else. The worst match was warlord and bulldog which even Meltzer's writing didn't agree with When it came time to actually voting the show thumbs up thumbs down thumbs in the middle fifty seven one and a half percent gave it a thumbs up forty point one percent gave it a thumbs down two point? Four percent thumbs the middle clearly. The forty per forty point one percent thumbs comes down or not Hogan fans or not savage fans or not jake fans but if you were a kid or fans of any of those guys this was a fucking thumbs up. I'm show and let's talk about this too. If you're in the crowd that night you saw a lot more than what we saw here. The undercard of this show is is really really loaded the Harris brothers. Don and Ron Harris or in the opener and they got to win over some guys Branca's Stilo Bryan Donahue then a wrestler surnamed Sir Charles who go onto Papa Szanto and of course the Godfather he beat wolf the Chris Walker beat Brian Lee. Who We know's going to become the under faker in Prime Time Brian Lee in EC- W and then back again and the D. away as chains? The Chris Davis who we know is going to become to talk J. W. Storm Warm. They Greg Valentine beat the Brooklyn brawler then. The nasty boys who are well established stars here beat the bush-whackers and then the legion of doom. Beat beat the beverly brothers come on now this big time and then we had rick flair and Roddy Piper. That's right rick flair and Roddy Piper wrestled on this card. But it was dark. It's for the House only and I understand in this era. You couldn't give away everything on pay per view man I would have been great with just slide and Repo and Ted Abbiati here unless slot in flair and Piper. That would have been bad ass. Yeah but it was only an hour and a half show. It was one one of those experimental deals. Let's let's experiment with the shorter show. I'm sure it was a cheaper price. Absolutely you know normally pay per views you know in this era were you know one thousand nine hundred five to twenty nine ninety five occasionally see at twenty four ninety five this. This one is reduced price Similar to what you guys would do you know what four years later within your house so this is sort of a precursor for in your house and and very much experimental because it's on another day and because it's on another day and you got to keep this in mind you don't WanNa keep people up late because they've got work and they've got school the next day in this era a lot of your wwf pay per views were afternoon shows. That didn't start superlight like they do now where it's become more commonplace and acceptable. Opt for them to be later men. Devious he was just a fucking worker in half he's got to be on everybody. Shortlist for best wrestler never have have a world title run one degree because he didn't need it now and in here. Would you sit there. Watch this everything that Virgil Joel is doing. This is the pain is being paying in the artists in there tend to be asked. Of course I mean he is he is the master artistes of of the crew. I I want to ask you buy something you and I haven't haven't talked about this since you're working twenty hours a day. We don't get to talk as as much as we used to. Maybe I did a podcast with Arn Anderson recently and he talked about when he came over to the WWF. Nineteen eighty eight. He was used to sort of Jim. Crockett style of working and that came up because I asked what was the difference between working in front of a JCP crown WBF crown and he said JCP P. We tried to get everybody over. We tried to the NBA. We try to get everybody over. We tried to make everything competitive make our opponents look like a million bucks no matter what and buried are so of course had been in that that style of wrestling when he was in the in w. a. and Jim Crockett promotions. Of course he played a Russian character but then when he comes to the WBF hits it big as demolition smash a man that was not the case so even though Dr so was real life really good friends friends with Mardi Lunn. Da Arn Anderson when he gets up there. The brain busters find themselves working With Paul Roma and Jim Powers I and totally blanchard aren't Anderson did what they did Jim. Crockett promotions gave those guys a lot and made a very competitive match. Made it look great and it was a very very good match but when he comes through the curtain Dr so pulls him aside and says what the fuck are you doing. You don't do that here. You're getting ready to come with us. You eat those guys up. I'm paraphrasing rising a little bit but the concept was. It was a different style. Because we're not angling always for let's make this the most competitive match we can. We're angling going to get somebody over as a bad ass contender for the tidal or a bad ass champion defending whatever the case may be. Can you speak a little bit as a guy who came from more territorial system to the. Vince Mcmahon W. F. Presentation where there are lack of a better word and I don't like this word either. Her jobber matches. Well I I don't like to wear either to either enhance talent without the enhancement talent. You wouldn't have stars correct but that's how you build stars if everything's fifty fifty and everybody is going out and getting everybody over at the end of the day no one gets over so it's about making stars and it's about going out and shining in taking care of your character then when people pay to go to the live events and they are watching a pay per view that's when you see star versus a star and that's your opportunity to sell into do some of those things. Television was used used as a commercial. So that was the time that you had to get your character over. Make people want to see you against perceived perceived better competition in the live event. Oto fell down talking about behind the scenes stuff or cut you off. No I was just going to say in the unstated star that team Sherri Martel on the outside dogs. She just just fabulous everything she did. Let's talk a little bit about that because the do think series really one of the unsung heroes of wrestling. where I don't know that she gets her just do maybe maybe she never really will but she is? She's working her ass off and she put so much effort into everything she did. Even and when she was in the background during interviews in this era she feels like she's got to be movement. She's got she's got a create facials and she's moving. Her hands dances. She's pacing back and forth and there's a lot of thought and effort in the makeup presentation and the dress and the glitter and the hair. And you know she's constantly pounding on that she. He is earning her money here for. Sure I just find that to be fascinating because I feel like a lot of times some of the best managers managers or wrestlers before we always talked about the fact that Bobby Heenan was arrested there before he was there and you know obviously there are exceptions to that. Jim Cornell comes to mind on Sherry is female equivalent may be a Bobbin. Am I wrong on that. She is because sharing never did anything anything to try and get over the guys. She was managing must-carry enhance the talented. She was managing and didn't get over bigger than they did. I'm glad you clarified because famously. And he's talked about this on his podcast before. I don't have a podcast novel once upon a time arrest. I'm Don Callous. Who was a part of Gosh what was the the Truth Commission. He manages the Truth Commission. He is said that your criticism when you guys were going to let him go. Oh is that you said you're getting yourself over at the expense of the talent. So of our listeners. May Not know exactly what that means. Can you sorta go into the weeds. A little a little bit about what complementing talent compared to competing with talent would well a simple as cutting promos in talking about Putting your talent over instead of yourself you're talking about how great they are in selling them instead of trying to sell yourself is the great as mind in the world and so on so forth and your cut the Promo for them not for yourself in stealing scenes things in a match in trying to be the focal point of the match taking people's attention from what's going on in the rain to you on the outside of the ring and whatever antics you may be doing it's time so that's the mark of a good manager in someone you're not sharing not after stealing stealing the show Sheri's up here for spot so that when you you see it it's special. It's one time she wasn't up doing this all throughout the match and their managers who think that they have to be involved in every little thing and it takes away from the match in their talent. The guys that it actually in there doing the work there you go. DBS's steals a win. Even though Sherry hit him in the head with a shoe Dr so nails Virgil with a knee. And the kidney area. That's enough one two three. Your heels are victorious and apparently it's good enough to win three and a half stars arse next up man is such a special match such a special moment for my phantom as a kid I mean and I remember being in class on the way this show talking about it with my friends and it was such a big deal. You know the undertaker had I've been on the cover that every effort magazine poll cogan is p Call Cogan and a lot of Gaza. The business joke about having a Hulk Hogan Nineteen ninety-one level Tan. Check it out right there. We're GONNA play the audio from this whole cogan interview on British is GonNa cut. His Mike off will be out. Let the hoax. I mean Jean do what they do seem federation title. Well you know something me. Gene Gene is forest me. All my little holsters go. This has gotta be the greatest the happiest day in the history of this beautiful thing. We call mania. Yeah brother Oh yes survivor series me and all my little teeny holsters felt the Undertaker Stock Hall Mania. We've thought him slowly. Holy squeeze the life and breath out a halt hogan brother but after ric flair interfered man. They dropped me in the tombstone right on the steel chair in the one to career was shot that was heard around the world. The real survivors were all those little teeny maniacs out there brother that I saw hulk Kokin wrenching and pain on that canvas in the center of the ring. The real survivors. Who is a little teeny? Holsters still have their heads high brother. This still still that's smiles on their faces instill believed in the four demands or the train and the prayers the vitamins believing ourselves in because we believe that our cells Dell's Jack Tunney took recognition immediately and re book this match Tuesday and Texas brothers. Would Jack Tunney Watson are back haul maniacs the ric flair. Stay out of my face this between me in the undertaker and as far as all my little hostess go I'm hall. cogan brother the designated Hitman Ed for all my whole committee acts all these years. I've been leading the pack and I promise To all those little officers that stood by me in survivor series. That this Tuesday hey in Texas when the largest in the world brother come crashing down on the undertaker the WWF title will be back right where it should be right around the waste of Hulk Hogan and undertaker. What's GonNa to haul cogan Berisha right here in Texas? Yeah let's let's get my God. What a Promo and what do we end it? Great stuff Hulk Hogan I don't care what anybody says is the fucking Babe Ruth of wrestling like. I feel sets a connection token because as a kid. I wasn't a comic book fan so I wasn't a super I. I mean I try comic for me. Nothing wrong with them to say I wasn't a superman got wasn't a pacman guy. I was a fucking Hulk Hogan Guy. So that's my real life life superhero right there. And what a great shot. We see here with Paul Bear and by the way once upon a time another famous very tall wrestler would say that He. He made dragging the belt. So the ring famous long before Steve Austin. I think the undertaker has something to say about that because here he comes dragon the belts of the ring. And we've talked about you. Know How you got him into the company and your whole idea and the development of this character and one year later here he is. This is a guy who talked about. Steve Austin's podcast on the WB network a broken skull sessions which I highly recommend Should have been called dead man talking pink but whatever that he wasn't sure what they were going to do with this character and wasn't sure how he was going to be what his character it was gonna be. He'd been mean Mark Callous for the NWEA WCW would All Anderson Famously told him you nobody will ever buy ticket to see you Russell. And now here. He is as the undertaker and he has the top belt in the entire industry worldwide without without question in December of nineteen ninety one and has the distinction of being one of two guys to beat Hulk Hogan for the bill the other being the ultimate warrior WHO's no longer here for C.. was home after Summer Slam. Ninety one is the fans going wild here but this match is not without controversy of course at summer slammer survivor series. Rather when Hulk Hogan is up in the tombstone position the undertaker's ready to pile drive him dropping him on his own head as they say ric flair sneaks in slides a folding chair underneath and it makes that piledriver even more devastating adding not as a regular tombstone but a tombstone on a chair. And I can't believe this is real but Dave Meltzer you're actually wrote about this in the Observer and said flare then put a chair in the ring and take her to a tombstone piledriver. We're on the chair for the PIN. When watching the show I thought the best work of the entire show was Hogan's selling the tombstone after the match was over it took him several minutes to get to his feet? He and he looked really groggy and his selling was completely realistic. As it turns out he was really injured. Apparently by the tombstone on the chair after after viewing back several times it does appear that Hogan's head never came near the chair however undertake you're jammed Hogan's neck with his knee since Hogan was hospitalized hospitalized legit all night long with jam neck. Yeah I think and I could be wrong long but I believe the rumor. Innuendo is that the undertaker being a relatively young on the business really excited and proud to have this opportunity just one year in the the company after being told a year prior. You'd never sell a ticket the business. He flew his whole family to survivor series. To See this big pay per view to see this big mass against this whole cogan because he knew the creative. Oh my God. I'm beating Cogan on pay per view for the World Wrestling Federation title. And there's a little a bit of a stink on the title win. Because Afterwards Hogan legitimately allegedly feigns and injury and goes to the hospital and watch the replay back to Meltzer's point. He's nowhere near the chair but Kogen that night convinced everyone no. He's legitimately hurt and went to the hospital. and IT SORTA put stink on the title. Win The big proud moment for the real life mark. Calloway alloway. And I don't know that Ho- that Hogan and undertaker ever really saw ever again according to the rumor and Innuendo you weren't there but you you around both of these guys for a long time. Tell me what you heard about survivor series ninety one and what you remember about this match in particular with maybe that being the underlying hate between the two. I heard all that and I watch back several times. Look like The tanker probably could've gotten run over by Mack truck and he had such a tight a hold of Hogan. There was nothing that was going to happen to. Hulk is what it is and it couldn't look Cypher. Is the point and when you got to me and take her nothing that it was. I think knowing taker any would never ever intentionally hurt anybody and certainly was going to be extra careful that night with Kogas. Look good to me by by the way look at the tremendous work the. Take your here doing the show and rolling his eyes back in his head. If you haven't yet I can't believe I'm advocating this because I wanted so desperately as stark asked to. Have you get dragged these stories out of the undertaker. It wasn't to be but the the broken skull session which I can't put over enough off when you're done with this go. I sat on the W network. It's phenomenal undertaker. Talked about. How when he became a senator tater character he had had the sort of change the way thought about wrestling what he could do in what he should do became two different things yes he can run the ropes real fast and jumper oh half or clotheslines clotheslines? But would the undertaker do that and you really saw the undertaker as a character mark callow as a performer. Doing taker come into his own in this first year. Because you see how slow and methodical and almost Michael Myers and Jason. You know the the real horror movie film franchises. You see how slow he's working you go back and watch him as mean mark callous totally different presentation. He's clicking on all cylinders kinder's here is he not absolutely in it. That just goes to to the talent of mark in just how good he really was that he was able to adapt and we took all of the things that he did extraordinarily well in we would incorporate them into the match at the right point suddenly so he worked very methodically and slow but when it was time just like in a movie. He's only exactly and he would turn it up and you'd go holy fuck. Where did that come from? That's what made him so dangerous. And that's what made him so appealing to the audience. This is such a phenomenal. You know pay per view to me because I was maybe the peak of my phantom here from a WWF standpoint. Because I couldn't believe somebody finally be whole Oh Cogan In Real Life Ano- probably putting you in a spot here to betray some confidence as a pig behind the curtain. But that's the format of the show. You believe the undertaker had some animosity to Hulk Hogan for a certain period of time maybe not today but once yeah definitely yeah thank you did. I think that you know in his to him. This is the biggest moment of his career. And he I think that yes he did. So the undertaker contention is that Hogan wasn't really hurt and he was quote unquote working shitting on his big moment. I mean do you believe that I don't see. I don't think that hulk was shedding on his moment. I just I think that you know whatever happened. Happened and again not being there. I've never talked to talk about it so I don't know that's the thing like I don't want to believe that. What about home? Because I mean you've talked about this. Before with other interesting polarizing character and wrestling. I tend to treat people the way they treat me. And he's always been out talking about the army Hulk Hogan so cool to me. I can't imagine that he would be intentionally. She needs to anyone. I understand that in the course of business sometimes businesses business us. Pal Goddamn I get it whatever But it doesn't feel like something Hogan would do unless and we've talked about this just before you know. When when Owen Hart Kick Shawn Michaels in the back of the head Shawn? Michaels went to the hospital that night and faked injuries and worked the hospital and Gosden deviated obviated that to where they felt like it was necessary to sort of keep K FEHB so on the one hand. Maybe you think well Hogan's trying to keep faith and really sell the angle that the only anyway Hulkamania could really get beat as legitimately injured him but really be worst or maybe one of the worst one of the two worst things that had a wrestler can do is earned a reputation as being dangerous as someone who's not going to take care of be someone who will hurt you and and have a little bit of that stink on the undertaker take care for just one year in not good right. Yeah and I don't believe that there was. I really truly. Don't believe that anybody thought that he was dangerous in any way shape or form. Did you ever hear our again. Nobody told me this. I'm just asking questions to my friend. Did you hear of events admonishing and the undertaker after the match or I mean was he cutting a promo on. I'm like how could you got dammit. You Kill the golden goose or whatever in real life now congress. NOPE nope not at all. I don't think that they they watched it best of my knowledge that they watch it back and went. Okay SCO find out what happened but I don't think that anybody anybody thought that takers dangerous. By any stretch of the imagination we should mention. That meltzer was free style in the newsletter. That del Wilkes was probably GONNA wind up. Coming here Do you remember your friendly with. They'll d remember del being discussed as a possibility coming in here because we would seem here for what like like six years now I don't know because I hadn't even started it. I knew Dell L. from his stormtrooper days in Awa when we had reached out to him before but I hadn't even started in global yet right Loma. Oh yeah so dell still still doing well and in global and it was actually I was ugly It was actually actually at this evening in taxes that I got the phone call from Paul. Heyman telling me that any Gilbert Ober was taken the book in global wanted to bring me in after the first of the year. Do you mainly run events on site by the way it's got an offer to do this. St One harming. You know he'd already told me I wouldn't come back own. Heart's GonNa come in in January. He'll be teeming with Jim Neidhart iheart according to The Observer. Well let's talk a little bit about As random as the sounds here I just feel like mentioning it because I loved what we just saw with randy savage and Jake Roberts and feel like that that angle is seals still stuck in all of our minds if we grew rope with it one month after this the rocker split up on the barber shop there was man. The WSP's best shit happened when you weren't there. You raggedy rats ooh beaten eaten motherfucker suck. Hey so let's talk about The the Kevin von Erich situation. I don't know that you were plugged any of this. But I can't help but ask here's a tryout match while you guys are on well while the company's on this loop here in Texas do you remember having a convert carries already in the company right as Texas Tornado but Kevin von Erich. Do you remember anything about him being discussed. Maybe you weren't with the company but you heard about it with With W no I mean Thirty years there have been different times. The talked about Kevin but he. I don't think you ever the never got serious. It's just fascinating to me. We never saw and here we go. You know what's coming here comes Rick Ric Flair Baby Blue Robe I don't know what flares doing down there by God all star. That's right undertaker. Yeah now take that pile your friends down at Ringside I. I don't know if he's GonNa be able to help you this time. Tunnels down there to look at the Hulk Sir ago yeah nature boy. Interestingly enough one of the only robes that flair had said nature boy quite like that that one sold on Ebay years ago for a fraction of probably one. It's worth but watch what happens now. The undertaker does the old flip Bruschi to the outside audet Hogan was Hulk Hogan grabs a chair nails flare with it in the back. Flare Collapses on Jack Tunney. It's going to be important for about to see. This is uncharacteristic of the the typical Hulk Hogan Hulk up because we had a bit of a pause a running forearm. Some extra stuff in here from what you would normally get Hogan Hulk up and it's because they're trying to sell the story that he can't get the entertainer down no he can't buy God. Did you prefer undertaker with grey or Purple Great. I did too but I think most of our listeners are big purple guys. I'll see more people talking about you know the purple and black more than the grain black but I think this original gray and black stuff so as a reminder the chairs flare slid into beat Hogan the first time and there you go instead a hits. Let's undertaker and of course gets the clothesline on the Apron. Any goes big boot. You know what's coming next. Yeah but the charity didn't take undertaker down that damn leg drop the big boot did and notice that again. The hulk up has changed the whole routine instead of hitting the leg drop. He got the throat thrust undertaker back to his feet Nassir typical situation. Then we're gonNA tease the old traditional spot with Oh pallbearer gets the is raked. Big Push for his trouble after them hit in the face with the Aaron by Paul Bear now the earned has been empty which they want cheater. Forget and ashes from a dead man thrown into the dead man's is one two three. There's a school boy dak.. Tony saw it all happen. But he's not happy doesn't matter won't must pose brother. Bill shot to the head took care of him on that up and over he goes hoaxer Mr celebrated. He's gone back. He is but he saw the earned and he relates. He saw the urine the earn. Oh I do think it's fun that for years. We never knew what was in the earn does even a time where it was. Just a like Sean around the original undertaker. No it's a dead motherfucker. These are ashes and you'll see Hogan when he starts posing he's got the soot on his fingers and you see Jack Tony Talking to the referee Morella here and he knows something's up but they're not exactly addressing it but at home you get the idea though President of the company the Commissioner. He's not happy about something but it won't keep holster from posen. Check out the soot on his fingers. That could come from anything though. Oh Conrad now. I'm just saying it's clearly not working asked US shoot ash. Oh yeah definitely. That was the dead guy in there are. I didn't mean that you know I mean Goddamn Pal I get cold. Let's burner fire. I was dead guy. I'll sure yeah I was the Memphis territory. Actually Jim herd down So listen that's GonNa let's go wrap up for this Tuesday in Texas. What a phenomenal nominal pay per view? This was. I'm sorry for Fan boy. Now all over this I can help. It is such a great show are really enjoyed this when you watch this week for the first Tom Longtime you're with me on this right. This is a great show really was that was the damn good show and I know that you know there will be some folks suit who who take issue with the fact that we're like this was a good show because oh hour and a half or this thing or that thing or whatever but my goodness what a story they told old and and it was not too long and I feel like you know sometimes Monday night. Raw is a chore to give. Because it's three hours and I know you're gonNA disagree with that but I'm just saying as a wrestling fan an hour and a half man that's a sweet spot. I'm it leaves me wanting more I don't feel like Oh God I'm exhausted. I gotta go to bed. Oh Man I wish there was a little more and that's what I feel like with today show out of thought it was tremendous and I hope you guys did too and I hope you're excited for next week because we're going to cover something That we We haven't ever covered before next week and we're going back to nineteen ninety nine. It's going to be around the twentieth anniversary of Armageddon Nineteen Ninety. I do you remember anything about Armageddon Ninety nine because you name one match I mean listen it all runs together on some level. Could you name one match from Armageddon. We're getting nine hundred ninety nine. I could cheat but I would be not being honest so okay. Let's get to it. Here's what we're talking about next week. And and as a reminder under that show went down on December Twelfth Nineteen Ninety nine so we'll they will be one day later than the twentieth anniversary. But it's the ACOLYTES in there in a tag team battle royal and The hardy boys will be the last ones out. Kurt Angle and Steve Blackman. We'll have a singles match. Here's here's probably one of the more famous matches on the card. Miss Kitty Baby Ivory and Jacqueline in an evening gown pool match inch. You know what's happening there. We've got the hollies taken on Ricky. She and Viscera we got vow Venus in their triple threat for the European title with the British bulldog dog. Who's the champ and dealer Brown? We got Kane and xbox inside a steel cage. We got a singles match Jericho in China. Which I know we've talked about who got the rocket sock connection taking on the new age outlaws we've got big show and the big boss man for the WWF title and then a no holds barred match? That's the main event. Two of your great close personal France triple H and Mr McMahon if AAA wins he becomes the number one contender for the WWF title. And if McMahon wins tribulation. Stephanie would receive an annulment and I can't believe this is a real number but Vince is GonNa Wrestling Twenty eight minute match here. That's what we're talking about next week. Armageddon nineteen ninety nine man. I hate to be that guy. Ah but wrestling was just more fun in Nineteen ninety-one then it was ninety down on that because I'm ten or was ten. What was this Tuesday in Texas? Just that much come on this Tuesday in Texas was better than Armageddon. Ninety nine wasn't we're going to find out where we'll find out next week and we appreciate you joining thing in this this week and every week tell your friends to hit the subscribe button and let them know that something. The Russell is still and I confirm this week Bruce. I haven't even told you this still the most downloaded wrestling podcasts. 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WKPWP - Hernandez Interview Classic: Amazing insights into frustration with how TNA operates over the last eight years, more (8-1-14)

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

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WKPWP - Hernandez Interview Classic: Amazing insights into frustration with how TNA operates over the last eight years, more (8-1-14)

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Wrestling from two thousand six to two thousand fourteen and did not have a smooth exit from the company he explains why he felt disrespected. Why things weren't handled well and how frustrated he was with how T._N._A.? Operated when it came to the end of his run there but also during his whole eight years there it's he had an odd and disheartening way of being released and a lot of frustrations while he was with a company he tells just fascinating amazing insights into how operated behind on the seats he was there for a long stretch of time through several different regimes and leadership. We take live calls. We answer email questions and get a really thorough heartfelt window into the frustrations of being a wrestler who was a mainstay T._N._A.. During that long stretch from two thousand six to two thousand fourteen this is over two and a half hours. I just really good stories. <hes> I think you'll enjoy this a lot. So here we go <hes> Shawn Hernandez my interview with him from August first two thousand fourteen <music> welcome to the P W torch live cast. I am Wade Keller editor and publisher and founder of the Pro Wrestling Torch weekly daily newsletter back in nineteen eighty seven the Reagan administration. I started an insider newsletter and we are still publishing it today but we've moved on to so many other things in addition to the print newsletter and that is d._W._i.. Torch Dot Com website in nineteen ninety nine our phone APPs for Iphone android search P._W.. Torch or for that matter M._M._a.. M._M._A. Torture sister brand on your iphone and android device to download our free APP and also now host of the P W torch live cast. We are here five days as the week Monday through Friday and then also Sundays after major pay per views and <hes> I host on Tuesdays and Fridays Tuesdays I host with Jason Powell of pro wrestling dot net and Fridays is interview Friday and today is Friday August first two thousand fourteen and I am pleased to introduce announced announce that today's guest is Shawn Hernandez. no-one has Hernandez simply and supermax in T._N._A.. Sean are you there with great man how you guys doing. I'm doing great. I really appreciate you taking time to be on the show today not a problem if anybody wants to join us here on the program and has a question about <hes> t._N._A.. And it's passed its future. It's tenuous presents and obviously <hes> Hernandez Career N._T._N.. A dating back to two thousand three <hes> until <hes> <music> until just sorta recently which which will get into the phone number to call us at six four six seven to one ninety two eight. That's six four six seven two one nine eight. You can also email us a question. <hes> during the show and email address is p.. W. Torch live cast at g mail DOT COM. That's it. The name of the show towards life test at gmail.com is the way to reach us <hes> Sean. Let's let's begin <hes> with a little a bit of background on how you got into wrestling and then of course we'll talk about your recent departure from T._N._A.. 'cause I know you've been outspoken on that and have some things to say about it but how what is your <hes> <hes>. How did you transition from? I was arena league football right into professional well. I was really good bowler. <hes> to the Texas terror the bears the first is our team here in Houston and <hes> they were very well it off to <hes> powerlifting but you know Palestinian trophies. You don't win funny. I had a child had a real job yeah. How'd you transitioning or thinking pro wrestling the option? What led you that actual? I've always wanted to get into it is just you know our parents stressed college and you know so you know your parents help you know even though I had a football scholarship and stuff and in college you know Oh you WanNa make parents happy and get some extra you know <hes> allowance money while you're going to school you're going to do what they say yeah so I waited 'til after my career was over and football before I started doing wrestling and had you had you grown up a fan of wrestling most definitely I mean my my father was a green we boy for thirty years and so I lived all across the country and I've got to see Awa to <hes> Georgia championship wrestling than Yvonne Eric's been my favorite. You know we're going up with a whole bunch of here in Houston bustling Oh wow cool well now. Now what what era I grew with watching Awa so I'm kinda curious. We're not that far apart in age <hes> both seventies what <hes> what Awa era were you able to watch. Some of <hes> is there. You'll like I was real. Young listening link with was in that was that was the guy remember the most from bearing the you know the the crusher all of a sudden this this promos alone made me laugh. <hes> crusher was great yeah. He was huge baby-faced attraction through the whole Awa territory <hes> do did you have a <hes>. Do you ever remember ever I wrestling event that you attended in person. <hes> when I was <hes> incense my parents my dad was a base Fort Bragg and they would go to the best matches their Carolina and my mom was holding me. Oh you know maybe six eight months old and Thunderbolt Patterson do style over me. No that's a different era my mom my mom bad got it so that's probably one of the reasons why do wow yeah. You don't see a lot of restaurants bleeding all over all over kids these days no no yeah we happen H._I._V.. Where else going on yeah just yeah yeah and just grossing kids grow some parents out who don't bring their kids back to yeah <hes> <hes> very good <hes> so you end up <hes> transitioning into wrestling you went to the <hes> the <hes> was it the Texas Wrestling Academy no actually see that's a misconception? I actually got Houston by tugboat Taylor and okay. I'm chas from global wrestling. Oh Okay Yep yeah. That's right so <hes> yeah that's right chatroom global wrestling. I remember him bringing back memories. So how long did you train and under. What circumstances did you approach coach them about training like 'cause a lot of people when we have restaurants? Sometimes we get caller to ask how to get into wrestling what to look for what to ask for <hes> what was the process that you went through and what kind of <hes> looking back on it do you think that you handled handled it well and that you were trained <hes> in a in a good in a good way well I mean you know I looked out <hes> I was going. I was working at the gym. I just you know decided like can afford to be arena in a football player anymore because I was making five hundred a game not a week but a game there was fourteen games and twenty two weeks so that'll add up and I was US looking at the gym and I think there's big fat slob dude four pounds this inclined and four or five like like the toy and I was mesmerized. I looked at <hes> yeah and <hes> you know <hes> me and my first time we're doing drug free powerlifting at your this squadron ridiculous amount of weight and he came and talked me again just joint combined school check it out and as much from history after that and when you went to the training school what what did you expect back or maybe a better way to put it is how was training to become a professional wrestler different than you had anticipated from being a fan and around Jim's when you actually had to get in the rain start to learn how to bump and how to work matching is <hes> what what what surprised you the most what what was not part of your expectations but I wanted to leave as the first thirty minutes. It's you know paying the little five hundred down and all that and you know you you know you expect I mean what you envision. The what you actually get two different things I got an undulated came facility and I was the third smallest this guy on the on the train roster while I mean and that was to ninety five so trading. That's why I love my <hes> athletic stuff. I'm 'cause well. She's GonNa do to you know four hundred pound guys yeah and it was good. I mean I remember going there. After you get your basics done to his satisfaction the sunsets faction she didn't okay we're GONNA do they learn how to sell and then there's eight guys that are three hundred pounds of bigger. Just throwing around yeah yeah you see oh just seems to gonNA quit and to you know Kinda like a little Tester Hayes but you know that's a while when they realize suicide this thing with it may let up a little bit but still huge eye opener so you you thought I mean I've heard that before too. You thought of literally quitting after about thirty minutes being tossed around by bigger than you. which is something at your side? You're not even used to being around in the arena league. There might have been some people better than you or around your size <hes> yeah but what what it ended up you ended up getting past that and it clicked with you. How long did you uh-huh how long did you go through a formal training process at that point <hes> pretty much for I guess about a year and a half because I mean my I in two and a half years counting training with tug? I only had six matches so it wasn't it wasn't I think it's a Russell I mean he's he put me up. There was like some of these guys do yeah get old baby for the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles dials for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four bucks shorts for six dollars and jeans for eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kid sized prices. Just two four six eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store free today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now now an old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven two thousand nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance of course the lexus golden opportunities sales event is about exceptional offers but it's also about having advanced technology and a safety system designed to alert you all coming together for you at the perfect moment. Don't Miss Your perfect moment experience exceptional offers on a line of vehicles equipped with advanced safety technology now until September third experience amazing at your Lexus dealer slimmer than safety features not available on Jax and to what Bush what were your expectations and aspirations as you're training to be a wrestler in <hes> you know you're looking around at the wrestling scene. It's kind at the end of the attitude era <hes>. What did you imagine for yourself? And how quickly did you anticipate getting there. Did you do in other words. Somewhere else was going to wrestling going well this probably they won't work out but I'll give it a shot other. People go in go and I'm going to be the next Steve Austin like how to where did you fall on that scale. The two thousand one real quick. We all WanNa be the knicks don't cold Iraq or Hokka whatever but then reality sets in when you're busting your butt and maybe in front of thirty forty people. Maybe I just WANNA make enough money to pay off the train. The people yeah yeah I mean honestly the first year that's all I thought about yeah if I could just make that twenty five hundred back I'm good yeah and luckily things started clicking. You'll start west in different places and Komo certain guys start taking the wing. Learn different styles like I've been you know for the past ten years. I've been mesmerized by the Lieber style. Wow Yeah and I'm just I'm still and for a guy it when you say you're hooked on the Lucia Lieber style you look at the larger guys is in Lucia Labour who are more the exception to the rule and you know the power guys or do you go. Hey I wanna be a massive guy. Who Does Lucia moves is kind of what stands out <hes> more the latter 'cause I mean there's most the bigger guys in lieu? Don't move very well yeah again. So you kind of want to be on Atlanta. The two yes yeah a little hybrid you know just you know give give the fans the new version of the of selection of the Moocher big and you certainly <hes> I mean that was what T._N._A.. You know really pushed for you. Though the running dive on the ramp way was a obviously a big thing <hes> that was really kind of probably you're. You're the biggest signature that you had in your time and T._N._A.. Oh I mean it was I loved it it. was you know I got to do my Lucci stuff there. Were I was doing in a mask yeah a third a third of the pay taking the bus yes yup <hes> if you're just joining US shows in progress here P._W.. Torchlight casts Friday August first. We are live at five fifty three P._M.. Eastern and we welcome five five thirty five forty three PM Eastern and we welcome your phone call at six four six seven two one nine eight to wait if you have a question for x t and wrestler we'll get into how that feels to hear that D._N._A.. Wrestler Hernandez <hes> full named Shawn Hernandez a longtime veteran presence in T._N._A.. Including <hes> the latin-american exchange and <hes> teaming with Matt Morgan <hes> and really a lot of <hes> alliance which will grow junior at one point and <hes> just lots of starts and stops your push over the years and we'll <hes> we'll dive into that a little bit <hes> speaking of travel girl I wanNA start with an email question here and if you do have an email question for Hernandez bananas you can email P._O._W.. Torch Cast Edgy Mel Dot COM <hes> this comes in from Kevin who says <hes>. I don't believe I'll have a chance to call in but I do have a question for Hernandez in two recently. I watched the impact wrestling every week. I have a daughter in her early teens who loves W._W._e.. But doesn't watch impact much at all one time. She happened to watch it and Travel Guerrero. Oh came out wearing his team belt and she said what kind of wrestling is this if he has a title everybody everybody else must not be that good because he was losing horns walk every week and W._W._e.. I wanted to get Hernandez his opinion on T._A.. Using exe W._W._e.. Mid Carter's and shooting them to the top. Does he feel that that hurts T._N._A.'s image <laughter>. The Guy said you know you know. pull the punch escape for the J. Like he did. Yes the so they had to develop their own identity they have to I mean you can't bring someone somewhere else. Awesome is also making the biggest arson morals yeah. You just can't do that. I mean it's proven every time that they did that is not yeah well. I mean except for Credential Jeff Hardy <hes> Mr Anderson <hes> Christian probably yes Christian is that was it was very awesome yeah. That's that's more exceptions to the rule right there. I mean they you know the only over and W._B._Z.. Got Got over as well and T._N._A.. Today's things a lot different than than e expect more nicely than the extra Mike Times so especially from before two thousand I said for two thousand ten and eleven expected more wrestling Christians. Also I mean he he was your he can do it all he could do it. All I mean he could bus with anybody on the show and my <hes> my time on sell it was really awesome. I'm watching the Christian arrived in T._N._N.. I mean it's it's great talking to you because you've been you were just part of all the ups and downs and all the hopes and all the letdown of team over over the years for better for worse you know from your perspective but when Christian showed up <hes> I think when we write about and talk about T._N._A.. History and this week especially with them in the news <hes> <hes> with <hes> T._M._Z. report that that's T._v. and decided not to renew their deal although multiple sources are saying hey negotiations still going on and we'll we'll we'll get into that show progresses just to but when Christian did show up <hes> that he was the first really <hes> big name to decide on his own not because of drug problems or or being let go. We're being jobbed out. He was the first guy to make that choice to T._N._A.. Because he felt that he could elevate faded and show his potential like you said both in the ring and on the microphone as a top guy and not a lot of other very almost nobody has followed in his footsteps <hes> unfortunately as far as T._N._A.'s growth goes Christian was a real symbolic moment. I think in T._N._A.. History <hes> he was a guy who was a big part of the attitude era <hes> <hes> he had not been a made manner but I think fans perceived him unlike the example travel perhaps that Christian was on the rise that he hadn't reached its potential yet what did it mean as a member of the teenage Locker Room when Christian cage as he was build in T._N._A.. showed up with that name value that experience and that upside and that credibility and and what was he like to deal with the locker room as a as a kind of a teeny original it was awesome. I mean it's very hard to it seems a word besides heels the guy who was still young enough to understand you know they can still go one hundred percents and what he was still so young enough to where he didn't have the you know Google that will I'm not taking that move. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing that and out there in buses trusted advice and try to have a good match with every person he was rainless and he wanted respect from the you know the Locker Room Click Nick from the locker room where the woods creative when it was on offense I mean he's loved by everybody and I mean there. Was this amazing. It's he's one of these guys that you watched you know going going up but I'm not in the business who was a big part of as it was edged and stuff like that and who's the guy the locker room and he's willing to work with what was there you just a lot kind things about him and the idea that came there and he was <hes> eager to help T._N._A.. Get to the next level. Is that a fair way to put it. He wasn't just there. You know to Ah to try to get back to W._W._e.. You didn't have that feeling. You thought. This is a guy who wants to be here in wants to bring you know be a top guy who brings T._N._A.. To the next level that you know yeah I mean let's be honest. You know we didn't get himself. Moreover are too. I mean it's not it's not you know shoot coast of course I mean you know he's here. He is getting the ball tip the man for he was yeah and I I mean I people who very well. I don't give companies helping out very much and now even Christian that well you know this when he was in T._N._A.. That's all I'm it came into the <hes> the whole thing in Dallas for that Split Slam diversity. We spoke for a few minutes but I mean more acquaintances more than anything anybody this guy I've Guy Guy Debbie but came in this work on radio and and you can see them about the guy at all. Did you see his attitude change for the better or the worst at during his you know three the three Soo- three or so years in T._N._A.. <hes> in terms of being really motivated to take things to the next level and then by the time that he left was he disenchanted or did he think hey. I've left T._N._N.. A better place but you know I gotTa do what's best for me but I'm you know did he seem enthusiastic about teenage futures in other words in that span of time that is attitude towards the brand Iran change. I think honestly there's he tried his best to make to build disabilities brand bigger build the company's brand bigger bigger in this. Maybe he was smart enough. Business Wise family wise is hey. I can make more money. Wrestling here that'd be more insecure and my legacy be more cemented in stone finishing my current I. B.. That's just my opinion I don't I'm uh-huh no expert but that's what happens but that work ethic in that locker room leadership and that veteran <hes> leadership but also that Kinda wide-eyed enthusiasm that's day that was pretty even keel the whole time he was there. Yeah yeah okay very cool all right well. Let's go to the phone lines here. You've I've got a question for Hernandez. We're now going to the phone banks. The number is six four six seven two one nine eight to wait <hes> Ten year veteran of T._N._A.. Total nonstop action the impact wrestling Shawn Hernandez is my guest today on the P._O._W.. Torchlight gassed you can find our show at P W torch live cast at g mail audible trial dot com slash pro wrestling torch grab a free audiobook right now again. 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Member of P._W.. Torch <hes> this is <hes> Louis Calling from New Jersey <hes> Louise this yeah. This is me all right very good. What do you got for today all right well? I got three different things <hes> so I just WanNa know. Do you want me to fame all at one <hes> just one at a time and we'll keep you on the line all right all right well. The first first question that I have is in regard to whether or not like during the time of Hogan and Bischoff and every other <hes> old W._w._e.. Wrestler coming in I just wanted to know whether or not and whether or not you feel that he was more optimistic in general I mean because of the fact that you I knew that it would have brought some more is that product and <hes> it would have you know gotten more sponsors and everything else or did you kinda like with everybody likes cheering spots The AAA was very they can be very I have to do so just go out there and do your shit and got over. You know it doesn't take a rocket scientist this let me myself and then we'll work so what I do that for nine months things are going well. I'm I'm I've worked with every top guy on how shows big shows April views can be shown. I come back. I rewarded is the third wave version of L._A._X.. Mexican America Yeah. We're the we're the best Russell my group is. A females are dark angel awesome yeah Sylvia Okay Yep <hes> I'll frustrated. Where are you at that point? <hes> what I've talked about this a lot I really really am big admirers of the professional lesser who had no families <hes> because they can go office 'cause my ass. I'm taking this yeah but you know I got kids. I the last time you don't WanNa pay my house up September but I mean I had a mortgage time car payments normal life you you know you pick and choose your battles. Yeah you know I go spend nine months out of waste of my family. Yeah you know and my my son was two at the time and you know this big <music> character dangling was they. They move it me country for weapon. I broke my neck and I was not well when they can act you know with the Mexican milk again make and then I remember I got an argument with town relations at the time way before my match with mocking lockdown listened to Nettie and we got we were in a screaming match wow right before I mean you know members of the play yeah wow and <hes> you know I can take anymore. Well I mean I am. I you know I have a nice house. Everyone has you know in Mexico. It's either have money. Don't have money but it's still if their country was. I live in a room in the house. There was no A._C.. Or heat this a phantom room hoping wishing and praying that these people we're GONNA be true the word and the push that they produce yes I mean I could I could have stayed through the you know not with Mexico at all and stay the same level as a guy yeah yeah you know so I mean to say that I was upset. Issues Understatement get old baby for the biggest biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four box shorts for six dollars and jeans for for eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kid sized prices. Just two four six eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store free today today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven twenty nine eight eleven select styles excludes in store clearance. Let's say you just just bought a house bad news. Is your one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mow the lawn ask. If anybody noticed you mow the lawn. Tell people to to stay off the lawn. Compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again. Good news is it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive and save on on your car insurance which of course we'll go right into the Lawn Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers discount not available in all states or situations they say about Dixie but we're able to go to dixie Carter at that point and say you know what's going on. You're the boss. Let's let's make let's make this right. It's a times I would. I could times when I'm not the <music>. Don't don't get me wrong. I'm not the only one with complaints time you know. It's always those times where we got. A strict instructions is that all complaints go to director of talent relations. If you go about content you know spines Kennedy's Steve Given out you know so. It was Kinda hard when you know you have a nice report with this lady and she understands your plate. You Know Oh yeah where it's not happening and you can't go to her because then you know I got kids I wouldn't get fined because I went over the encounter director and head yeah that and that's tough to hear because you know Vince McMahon now granted you. GotTa pick your spots but in W._W._e.. Vince McMahon has office hours and you you ask him and he's got a reputation for within reason being available to talk to directly especially if you're somebody who's been around as long as you had been at T._N._A.. Hey if you're a W._W._e.. And you put in your five six seven eight nine years with W._W._e.. And you WanNa see the boss you I mean again. You don't want to abuse it because that'll abused against you but that door is there knock on that meeting. You know you have a meeting with them. That seems like a rough kind of tough setup and T._N._A.. And it's just it's one of dozens and dozens of little things that I've heard over the years where you just Kinda. You know you just Kinda. Roll your eyes a little bit and go see you know the reason they're in the situation they're in is because of situations like that where there's layers layers of insulation and layers of politics that work against that communication that maybe can make things better. I totally agree I mean I'm from the two thousand ten to the in my mind and my this past as I wish I had a big racer yeah and you know your prime years as a prep prowrestler. <hes> were those years you know in terms of wind guys usually make the most money you put in your time. You got your national television for years. You worked internationally to improve yourself. You took that initiative and you so <hes> we're not seeing even though yeah you got a yelling match with creative but you're not seeing by. I've never heard anybody say that. You were like this just head case or somebody who cause problems James your prime earning years where those exact years you're talking about in terms of your age and your experience and your exposure to fans and that's where you know I mean and I don't. I'm not in any way putting it <hes> flippantly I I just I totally totally understand why you'd be frustrated during those years <hes> and even more so when you found out you're no longer with the company because it just seem like if you're ever going to be ripe for a push it would have been the last few years. Yes I mean. It's like there's been but my clear was also the beginning Yeah Ah yeah well. We'll get into that in more detail what I want to go back to Louis on <hes> on our phone line here <hes> v._I._p.. Member I you gave it your first question quite a while ago but go ahead with your second question. That was a good topic this go on for awhile you know yeah no no problem yes. The thing is the second question is actually a really quick. I know where Hernandez undestood as far as six sided reign as a ring now the reason I ask that question because <hes> some people like really like the six sided added ring however then you also have the other crew that only likes to be distinguished people and then of course you have the people that hated it because they said that it would take the life life out of a wrestler and it was a lot more painful but I just want to know where you stood as far as what Europe was with six sided ring as opposed to the four sided well for myself you know Russel's the six hundred ring you know Mexico before I started at ten A. and I mean it was it's fine. Just some things used to sports. You know different ways. You tell people off and stuff like that but I mean I'm like a normal guy. You know boy. If you like job you're paying me to do this. I guess so if you put if you have a ring of seven bombs in it I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Arrangement. That's what I agree to. You know. If you don't like quit I promise you there's eighty seven million people willing take your how do you think the locker room would come down as far as that goes would they have your attitude of hey either way works for me. It's not that big of a deal. Even if you have a slight preference reference or do you think most guys would side in favor of six or in favor of four <hes> okay. It's like original guys like guys were there from the beginning who who pretty much will bought up to ten eight six. What topic preferred the success Yup yeah four hundred obviously easier? I mean if you've started your main career on television on the six ads and you've made you know good money. You've made good man. You know really good matches. Every why would you take but guys like who went through our away. I store <hes> came in on the four sided ring and then all of a sudden it got switched to a six you think the acclimation there would be enough you know like Austin Aries was very outspoken guy in general uh not not a h- he has a very low filter <hes> his tend to come out and you know. I'm a big fan because I mean he can you know ride or die. I wanted to say what's on his heart and and you know and you know like and I mean he has no kids so so yeah I wonder I wonder how you would be different. 'cause I know how you are. Now you know being able you know you speak. You know you're you're not you're not particularly guarded. We're talking about T._N._A.. Now because you're really frustrated and <hes> you know and have a lot to say about it. You wonder if you didn't have <hes> kids. How your how you would have handled things differently behind the scenes and on the flip side of Boston areas was just worried about you know that Morgan who sporting his kids if if he would have developed the filter along the way you know from a you know because that's do with both circumstances then personality yeah I mean I have kids <hes> probably Blackie back from from triple eight? I was GONNA get my spot or that very first month old baby for the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percents off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four bucks shorts for six dollars and jeans for eight dollars right now. We'll get the best kid styles at king-size prices. Just two four six eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store free today up to sixty percent it off all kids and baby styles now old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven twenty nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance get old baby for the biggest sale of the year ear up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four bucks shorts for six dollars and jeans for eight dollars right now. Get the best kids styles at kid sized prices. Just two four six eight dollars can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store free today up to sixty sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now at old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven twenty nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance out scenarios was against the four sided ring. I guess that doesn't it really wasn't in your time there so it really wasn't anything that honestly. I don't even know I mean he just came out and how about the last time I watched the show. Was this <hes> when we had the fiercer fired match grabber travel got the fired case and then the next week showed that he got fired. That's watched the show on a regular basis. I'm sure it's tough. I I mean 'cause you. Were you know among that group of early. You know you should have been deemed T._N._A.. Original and and and part of that core group group and and cultural identity I mean I. I you know what I'll say. The I got a follow up but I'll say that till I go back to Lou. 'cause I WANNA question and <hes> but I wanNA talk about your <hes> your thoughts on A._J.. Being being part of the cutbacks but we'll do that a minute I'll go ahead with your question. Maybe it's a trick question. Is Kinda actually actually for both of you because you know on because it's got took like a semi shot at YouTube. Wait <hes> it's Rousseau. I just wanted to if you if you were there during his time like did you like the product that he was putting now and then just in general like is it true what the rule like basically I mean Joe like I'm not. I didn't really question there for what I'm trying to say. Is that in general the teeny Locker Room when you were there when whenever Vince Russo's supposed name actually came up. Is it true what these websites and no it's not on your website way otherwise but like are saying about you know the fact that everybody like just didn't even want to hear that name people just didn't even want to be around him and yeah and then of course wait. I want you to comment on his Little Jab at you to what I question i. I didn't pay attention. I haven't paid attention. What Roussel said about me? Believe it or not what what was his jab at me really yeah. Oh I e wrestling us what it was was that <hes> basically Vince Russo as a result of <hes> my randomly nobody knowing whether he got fired or Kikwit himself basically the he said that you reported where does something on your website and he said if the P._O._W.. Insider but then he called P._W.. Inside or another another name or something so yeah he was like I guess life or something along Okay Yeah No. I didn't go ahead yeah yeah go. Rhino is what <hes> what's your opinion on on the strengths and weaknesses Russo during his stints in T._N._A.. <hes> goods Kentucky he very open. You can talk to <hes> get that Brooklyn vibe when I'm when I was with homicide you know things. I think we're more in our favour because you know he's Brooklyn Guy Homicides Yell from New York so it you know things worked. Better Ones Louis separate then it. It was a little bit. You know here messed you know but I mean there's a lot of guys that say oh. We don't like Ben something like that but I mean I was there. It's just people who didn't like it but it wouldn't publicly say but I mean most of those guys you know still talking to him and he was very accessible. As far as his you know his vision he had for you yup for input. which is you know what other guys who's had his spot so yeah and I'm I'm real critical of Rousseau's ability to write to to be the lead booker have the The big vision and be able to carry out a coherent storyline that is efficiently booked where you don't just you know famously he people ric flair and a hair match at the beginning of a show ric flair was bald at the end like that lack of discipline that lack of you know just pacing things out and having stories make sense sense and not just turning people because it'll pop rating or throwing a gimmick concept on a match because what operating or you know boost a quarter rating? He just was really Kinda. Stuck in that Kinda late nineties nineties battlefield <hes> I think of Gilligan's island back you might have watched that in reruns when you were a kid to Sean <hes> the <hes> there were like the Japanese fighters on the islands still in one episode and they were still fighting World War Two to me Roussel's that guy he's the guy who just still thinks wrestling is in nineteen ninety six and and he doesn't have and <hes> to kind of guide him through some of his weaknesses that said I he he his engagement with wrestlers makes him popular with wrestlers. That's one one of the reasons he survived this long because he does unlike a lot of people and create a position does sit down and get to know you and brainstorms with you and <hes> wants to work with more than just the top four guys and tries to get the best that he can out of mid Carter's and that's one of his strengths. I don't think he should be the booker and P._B.. SCRIPTWRITER <HES> but I think if he could work with somebody with a different vision he's like you're saying a guy who's really engaging really like I mean when I when I've been around him and when I when I talked to him on the phone and when we shot the ultimate insider's d._v._d.. Interview out in L._A.. We really hit it off like personally like just we got along. He's a really affable. Oh engaging person and that's where I think his book I'll put it blunt. Bluntly I think is booking. Incompetence is blunted by the fact that he really is engaging gauging when he works with wrestlers and he's very charismatic and confident to the wake areas himself well. I mean for us you know for myself and homicide is we're in L._A._X.. You know we had the big filter Conan. Who would who would be you know he's the big name from Mexico isn't that she w n he would change no matter who is in charge of crap at the time he would change this career lines chains whatever reduced to fix our gimmick every time and you know you know where the people are Nice Guy went to bat for he? He Broder died for L._A._X.. And if they some corny storyline for us yeah he would pack his bags and he would walk. Ask the parking lot and you know he was ready to go back to Mexico and yeah I'm not gonNA. I'M NOT GONNA say names but you know with crave at the time. We'll take some down like dogs dogs. Oh please CONAN. Come back. Come on let's make try. L. is probably just one time he couldn't take more. He's never came back. Oh I can't tell you how many times you know two thousand six L._A._X.. Was the honest thing in Tina's history at that time yeah and it was because clan would go. He will never die. Hey it's going this way or I'm walking and there was music I I can. I can think of more than five times watching carriers. I mean drag is little roller bag to to the parking lot with the little creative. I'd like little puppies. Hey come back when let's make this way. What are we gonNA? Do I mean you know and then he left. You know we had no protection exited done yeah yeah get old baby for the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four box shorts for six dollars and jeans for eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kid sized prices. Just two two four six and eight dollars can't wait to wear it buy online pick up in store free today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now at old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven two thousand nine hundred eleven select styles excludes in store clearance of course the lexus golden opportunities sales event is about exceptional offers but it's also about having advanced advanced technology and a safety system designed to alert you all coming together for you at the perfect moment. Don't miss your perfect moment to experience exceptional offers on line vehicles equipped with advanced safety technology now until September third experience amazing at your Lexus dealer summit some of them safety features not available on Jack's. That's interesting that you know we hear that a alive that wrestlers and sometimes it's just in W._W._e.. It's having a writer who is an advocate for you at the creative meetings with Vincent Man. If you have a writer who's an advocate for you. GotTa push if that writers like go or quits suddenly that person who was advocating for them has gone and Conan was not he wasn't a writer on writing team but he was the head of your group and he was the guy looking out for you and he made a real difference because of his you know he had been through the wringer in W._C._W.. Before and obviously had been booker and <hes> has such a vast array of experience in and wrestling that and he was he's just as brash outspoken as it get yeah. Absolutely I'll let me thanks for your call. Appreciate it all right. Have a good one thank you thanks for V._I._P.. Membership to of course all right. Let's let's go next caller here here on the people that you torchlight cast if you joined US midstream live this Hernandez S. today's guest on interview Friday at G._W.. TORCHLIGHT CASTS DOT COM a ten plus year T._N._A.. Veteran Eric Three one nine. You're up next. Please state your name and the city you're calling from dandruff rapids Iowa enter. Thank you for calling for Hernandez Today Yeah Yeah. This is pretty much short notice. How have you been man? What have you been up to this? Enjoy my kids for the first time in ten years is yeah that is when did did you actually get released from T._N._A.. Was it like this year last year. It was <hes> May may of this year man. You're always fun to watch all the the time. I really thought you were going to eventually be main event but they know how to make stars at the time so it's D._N._A.. But <hes> there might be other people on hold dude. You really did deserve it but my question is <hes> guys. We're talking about CONAN. I heard that when he was doing Spanish announcing he would bury everybody that he hated and he would <hes> <hes> put over the people that he liked. Did you guys already talked about that. No all right well. That was very oh okay who Jordan he was doing color commentary me. You know it's not like doing the play by play. Your mood is Melinda's was doing the play by play so it was his part to be character so whether he was doing it or not who knows yeah besides a few that idea in a few Mexicans Kim's like who did anybody is true. Nobody like backstage really knew Spanish because that's why you got away with it. <hes> I would probably so you're correct as fun and my last question my last question is what what is your thoughts about working with Eric Young and thank you for your time and I hope you have good summer. Oh thank you by the American also man he can wrestle with anybody and his comedic. The timing is pretty pretty amazing. Though I got to wrestle him when he was on the hill group that no not when I was like anti America whatever he was the bad be bad guy or something. This is like two thousand nine it was him and he shaved his head on T._v.. And all that you know he he was the first time he was doing serious getting also now. We got to get out shows here in Texas in the south. You know south you know South Texas. Maybe two minutes from on the border so there's his bond hair blue eyed guy you know talking bad about Mexican so he gave me the perfect plead into all these fifteen hundred two thousand Mexicans waiting with the White Boys Aso all very good all right. Let's <hes> <hes> let's go another call here. Let's go to Eric. Oh seven seven three. Please state your name and where you calling from Chicago. Hey boss. What have you got for Hernandez today Amandus Superman himself? Are you doing sir. I'm doing great. What's going to listening listening on your on your story? I I wish you the best out there and <hes> I went to actually a couple of questions far as if if you can if you could attain something what would it be far as wrestling or any anything of that nature what bar let's what do you mean. I'm sure he'd like race in the Middle East but what what do you mean in the wrestling industry his career yes in just yeah that was kind of in the restaurant industry. What would you change Gotcha Gotcha so far so I wanted to know that because we can have a top ten listings we change about the world before beginning to wrestling? I hope all right go internet okay well. We're about my career because I think the wrestling industry <hes> I guess they're still <hes> stereotypes. I wish that we would have you know this from what I've been a part of. I don't know W. E. or ring a bar as well as I don't care name hey when I was there because if you are an ethnic guy. Can we have someone who can relate to nothing that guy you know I had you know from in two thousand and eleven and twelve thousand ten. I have feel a deal white guys telling me I need to be more Mexican. which is yeah yeah well? Yeah you know and just it'd be you know ethnically diverse that you could use a lot of ethnic wrestler to be absent absolutely who's helped to push that best how that would be my number. My number one probably only only yeah birth. You said he had the second topic. Yes <hes> listening to your story <hes>. If you have any thoughts what do you have your thoughts on when the steam punk leading and I think if you've been following <hes> W W._B._Z.'s here showing <hes> forced him so <hes> <hes> my kids watch it sometimes last time I really saw W._b.. Washes a fan was when that a guy that does ballroom dancing Dongo. Yes yeah that guy's Hilarious I think that was and then the guy who does the the announcing for a surreal I think he was also. He just got released this week so maybe yeah he was part of the Cutbacks Ricardo Wow I thought he was you know extremely entertaining by me. That's just me but I mean you know other than that. I don't know I mean Mondays usually football for for me. Well you know it's up to you. Know Your your fan. Wrestling growing up you dedicate a huge chunk of your professional prime athletic years to industry three it. Does you wrong. It's hard to just have that same feeling of escapism when you watch it. You know I mean 'cause you're watching. It and it's not necessarily jealousy but it's it's. It's a sense of lost opportunity for all the wrong reasons that you could be contributing and you're not and I just that has to put a haze over any enjoyment. You'd get over watching something. That's been a big part of your life your whole life I mean for myself. I still watch Lucia every hour. Okay Yeah. That's my first. I that's obvious unfortunately I'm sorry that's my first one yeah. That's one of the main basis way round supposed to Mexico. They called me to do the L._A._X.. Deal was because they had a successful ring and they let you do a lot of moves that were never be let you do. 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That's you go tickling the Ivories he just saved by bundling home and Auto Progressive GonNa finally by ring for that Gal of Yours Hugo I send my condolences this next one st there's in my aw <music> Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates discounts on available in all states or situations guys as you were kind of talking about cutbacks and W._W._e.. One of the bigger cutbacks so to speak was A._J.. Styles <hes> he was a guest on on the live cast castle right after Christmas and a really really good guest very engaging guest and and <hes> it was just so you could just tell leaving C._n._a.. For him it was just it was like leaving behind something that he felt he cultivated and it was part of growing and it just it felt I and it he he he was somebody who I think felt like no matter what trials and tribulations T._N._A.. Goes through. They always make him a priority to treat well because of what he had contributed how hard worked what he had meant to that company and you could tell he was hurt by the fact that they decided not to give him what seemed like a fair contract renewal offer. I know you you you were in. When was your last day match because when when I talked about last year you you were active for all of this year yeah? Ah Well this real quick side note. My last match was the feature five-match yeah it was like in November December something like that yeah and then except for me <hes> emailing <hes> the travel guy my dependent dates and I still I I might still it'll be on my payroll. No one even called me. I'm not even talking about contracts up. I haven't talked to nobody and team. They on the phone in six months so well. Let's get into it I was going to I wanNA talk about E._J.. Too but we're Kinda they kinda overlap because they're both around the same time period <hes> his his last this match round the same time as your last match within a few weeks here or there and <hes> A._J.. Does his contract comes to he goes through negotiations. It doesn't work out and he leaves well. I WanNa talk about him for a second and then I'll use that as a transition to talking about your situation which is which is similar where you when you found out and you're not at your not backstage when this was going on you're not at the shows <hes> but when you found out A._J.'s done for real and he's starting to take our awaits in Japan dates what went through your head were you shocked or. Did you kind of think maybe this is. The Way T._N._A.. was headed of course some shock. I mean this guy is that thinks of me. I mean I don't care you can put clever champ now for today. Oh whoever's in charge clamp he's still going to be you know we think of you think if he's styles top three names you think yeah you know then. I yeah some Jones in there. I mean as as always you know if you say you say Jeff Jarrett or yeah you know the first the second name that comes to your mind Yup Yup no matter what era exactly Yep and this guy could mess with anyone it can make ingle by look good l.. I've seen it online. She's made some guys that shouldn't be in the ring gene or it'd be trained and he made them look like a million bucks and I think he's that's another problem that that what kind of mine were. I got fifty old white guys telling me how to be more Hispanic I there's I don't think there's those create guys knew how to you. Push A._J.'s character right way without making them tickets or no seven guy or for apple things. It's like Ric flair junior that just didn't fit like weird side as the most talented guy l.. Yep Cowan's Guy I've ever been ring with and then to they do not know what to do with it. MISSES RIDICULOUS I I've sat and I've said this multiple times over a long span of time that I thought it seemed obvious to me that A._J.. The way that the way to book him wasn't to put him into if he's if he's a round peg into a square hole and try to force him into you know Ric cler junior or you don't and then you don't take what would be perceived in by a lot of people fair unfair and go well. Let's into that accent. He's a Hick. Let's play up on that. Let's pretend his his his <hes>. MOM has no teeth and his dad is married to a sister like you don't do that either. That's just stupid that's like W._W._e.. Just constantly talking for six months about all Daniel brands weaknesses weaknesses because they didn't want him to be over as he was <hes> or they didn't understand it. <hes> in the fans persevered with A._J.. I always thought he was Kinda like Peter Parker Clark Kent. He's a guy I who is is unassuming an ordinary in in in his in polite and and <hes> completely you wouldn't look at them and go this. The guy is a superhero and as soon as he gets in front of a crowd and as soon as he walked into the ring he's the most phenomenal superhero you can imagine the ring everything he does looks better than even a basic move looks better. I've Evan Bourne is another guy that I think that way. He takes ordinary moves and makes them spectacular and then he tops with spectacular moves and I okay yeah but yeah and the guy who his phone booth is walking backstage onto the stage you know that's kinda proverbial phone but he goes from the regular unassuming unassuming guy boom he gets on stage and then he's personality changes and it just it seemed obvious to me eight years ago you know ten years ago and and <hes> but yeah they kept doing doing weird stuff with him and either you know the southern hicks stuff which you just roll your eyes at and but i know but the thing is too i've heard that there's people in w._w._e. very top people people who who turned away from even signing him now because they felt like his southern accent made it impossible to push him and i mean that's just frigging northeast earthy snobbery you know that's just that's just manhattan new york city snobbery and it's it's so small minded and shortsighted <hes> to think that that's a factor at all that should hold hold hold back what you can make the money you can make a._j. i'm species if that's the case i mean as soon as he puts them bhutan brother i mean no i mean you know if the fans and the impact fans had seen it no he's russell's russel's everybody there and he's a everyone's game from smoltz kurt angle you know it's no more keeping matches worth picking hey you know some of those get enough time where you know people do probably matches is you're getting six minutes because this guy cares so much about the product yes and no an ad from dad all right save money on car insurance when you bundle home and auto with progressive got these what is this this wow where did you get this i'm talking to you with the hair yeah where did you get this good stuff tough solid that's not veneer that solid stuff progressive can save you from becoming your parents but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurance discounts 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with where they were last year in the year before <hes> one point two last night one year ago this week one point three or last week and one year ago two years ago last week at one point a one it was three years ago that they were on a rating surge with one point one nine rating <hes> but <hes> nevertheless some decent numbers <hes> four t._n._a. <hes> the <hes> i i wanna before we moved to the v._i._p. after show and we'll get more into t._n._a. the lack of communication with informing you as this ten year veteran <hes> other their company i wanna get into detail on that in the after show with their v._i._p. members also wanna talk a little bit more about the current t._v. situation with them but one thing i we talk about how they kinda screwed rudolf a._j. it seems you know don't seem like i think there's a consensus that they screwed up a._j. over and over i thought there was a real <hes> interesting exchange with <hes> in newsday today <hes> with paul heyman and alfonso castio who is a friend of the torch longtime toward subscriber and a really good pieces for for newsday about wrestling <hes> and this has to do also with my exchange with has a couple of weeks ago on on twitter because i was critical <hes> hernandez of t._n._a. showing up in new new york and the first thing they do in the first segment the first time they tape in new york is talk about have tommy dreamer give teary eyed nostalgic interview about nineteen ninety-seven seventy c._w. c._d._w. wasn't exactly the n. w. o. or stone cold it's it was great for what it was but i sort of feel like after a dozen years t._n._a. should have its own things to talk about when they get to new york for the first time has kinda like the crowd loved it and we kind of went back and forth and had our exchanges i thought what would paul heyman have to say about this and i want to get your reaction to this too because you were around t._n._a. during so many identity crises and paul heyman has been pretty outspoken over the years i don't think that's overstating it when he's been asked he's responded and said that t._n._a. lacked is that really reason to exist that that that identity that when you thought you go that's what makes it different than w._w._e. here's paul heyman's words with the lead in from <hes> affonso asking him this question <hes> and again this is newsday dot com today you brought up w at one of those tapings recently at the manhattan center it was again another e c w w. revival it was tasr and raido and everyone else talking about ec w went soliciting ec w chance from the crowd there ended up being a back and forth between taza wade keller the progressing torch about how author how relevant this is anymore is it time to move on when you see that kind of thing i'm tnt e c._w. revival is at heart warming for you to know that there's still that passion for something you help create create or do you think it's also kinda time to move on so heyman and i was really interesting here what he said about this and this is i think really noteworthy he says i think it's very much time for anybody anybody and everybody to move on especially on a product that you're trying to push forward nostalgia tours are great but not in a youth oriented dominated industry i think the lesson learned and all this is is that spike tv didn't renew them in one of the reasons has to be that the most passionate reaction they can get is a product that went away in two thousand one and they've been trying to brand themselves since their inception and they can't i get it done they should've spent that time and energy trying to brand themselves and not trying to elicit a response of an audience based on a product that they don't even own <hes> ed hernandez your thoughts on that because so many times these c._w. was just kind of back and forth trying to come up with different identities and paul heyman just hit it right on the head t._n._a. by now should be talking about about something besides tommy dreamer ninety seven belgium first semester person her this is to the well was there to say i mean he's hitting eggs yeah you know i mean you've had what twelve years and i know in you know people always say would ever be fifty years perfect the product this and that but after twelve years you've had your own style brushing aside you had in my opinion the best in the world as he styles in your ring and you cannot find a way to make him a superstar yeah you know and you know you put him in the ring and you know and the elevated you know matches maksim with christian cage with kurt angle every guy you brought to the to your show and he's still excels and you still can't find a way to do that i know what we'll do we'll still keep pushing former deputy guys and we're going to add the the issue w element yeah i mean i remember one year i came here was i think it was a u._s. i've said school i went to mexico when it had all ooh that'd be with you at ten a. cardinal hardcore justice preview house all former eastern you guys like and you know whether you know what i want to go back to that for you know it it's almost like tommy dreamer and bully ray and i mean i it tasr and some mix those people necessarily every one of them but the mix of n._c._w. it's like they just kind of snow dixie carter con dixie carter into making making sure that the brand the c._w. brand stays alive and that the star who aren't with w._w._e. but are affiliated with c._w._a. work these reunion shows like rhino that they have have some national tv exposure so that they can make money not t._n._n. involved but just make money on their own hardcore revival hardcore reunion type shows and it's it's like it just feels like that's where i think dixie comes up short as a leader or or is is taking advantage of <hes> by people who are looking out for themselves or was so in love with the c._w. they're blinded to the idea that this is not what's really best for t._i. well i really think you cynically i mean there's snow in the lady you know i think the biggest fault that she's can be sometimes too nice and can be smoking near into a different direction likes in people who are supposedly for the best interest of product yes you know if you were doing t._n._a. and you <music> are not doing or the universal studios anymore and this is what i don't know anything about this i'm going from what you're saying what portela me along along with no longer in orlando so you're going to new york when the manhattan center andrew gonna start he should be stopped hi hi it's jamie progressive's employee of the month two months in a row leave a message at the hi jamie it's me jamie i just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool so when it's like tell us would you want to pay hey hey hey and the trombone goes wah wah and you say we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget then we just all do finger snaps while a choir goes savings coming match savings coming at ya yes no maybe anyway see you practice tonight i got new lyrics for the rap break progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates price and coverage match limited by state law let's i'd say you just bought a house bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents you'll proudly mow the lawn and see if anybody noticed you mow the lawn tell people to stay off the lawn compared to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again good news is it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive and save on your car insurance which of course we'll go right into the lawn progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurers discount not available in all states or situations we've been has literally came out in the crowd and gave a speech from the crowd saying back in the late nineties we felt something in the locker room and i feel the same thing today behind the scenes and t._n._a. and i'm like that's the same token gave on it was on t._v. that was in the the opening segment when t._n._a. mike introduced younger we are in new york city for the first time and what do we get you literally had a segment with bully ray rhino tasr in tommy dreamer and you know tommy shedding here talking about nine hundred ninety seven ninety eight c._w. that was the very first segment and then on twitter i just said hey i think t._n._a. a ought to have their own identity by now not not another ec w revival on national television teenage should have something better in more that's their identity and tasr has kinda you know tasks i mean he took got very defensive about it and said well the crowd liked it and you know what do you think we're here to do and and you know he asked me what are we here to do and and i responded did i said i think you're here to create stars and and and create anticipation for matches that'll draw the largest crowd possible the largest t._v. ratings on live attendance and i think my answer should be pleased leeds fans in the building but it wasn't i shouldn't try to please a few hundred fans in a building who showed up to see revival stuff t._n._a. should be aspiring much higher higher and i think in a way i think they thought well we have an enthusiastic crowd in new york the spike tv viacom officials with think we're really hot product if tasr goes gives a speech about how i feel the same thing brother just around here hogan doing the same thing a few years back i feel the same i feel excitement in the locker room it always felt like those speeches were given more to get dixie excited or t._v. executives excited but it really helped the product because fans don't wanna hear about potential they just want a good show they tuned in today to see a good show not to hear about how how what the morale is like in the locker well i liked has like you know i do i like i like when he <hes> commented my matches based he's here in houston love when he come matches it was very cool but i mean i i have to agree because i mean i would think deep down the teenagers original guys or the guys warning c._w. or w._b. or you know like the stepchild when giving up pizzas and these guys is from the ringling that you know i was there i don't know how how the vibe was and i'm not trying to say i do i know i would feel left out stepchild if i'm promote promote my brand is to name and you were bringing about stuff you know almost twenty years ago yeah it's great and you know yeah yeah seventeen years you know eighteen years was eighteen years ago i mean i haven't eighteen years go see me ninety eight i had hair for you know i was i was starting nation drugs you don't see me talking about back in ninety eight weeks quarter that doesn't make any sense i mean all much has happened it'd be an yeah yeah maybe you know if you're you know arm event in your nursing homes even talk talk about back in my day cool but on an online television is trying to promote another product bringing up you know that's like having a co commercial wrestling you talk about you know you pepsi before you got there yeah or or talking a lot about blockbuster video as if it's <hes> you know like it just it just feels like we kind of moved on like the blockbusters are are boarded up they're gone and it's completely different world now and yeah it's just it's it's i was especially frustrated 'cause i'm rooting for t._n._a. i'm rooting for anybody and everybody unbiased evenly i don't have a dog in the fight but i wanna see good wrestling and i want to have good wrestling to cover i don't i don't want to have more to complain about them to complement and i wanna see wrestlers who have worked so hard you know pass talked on twitter about how hard the locker room how hard everybody works and he thought that by my being critical of centering opening segment around easter w not show but the opening and closing segment a little bit in the middle around you see w nostalgia i thought that's not serving the efforts of all the talent ideally you know the if the guys are working hard to creative should be there to support it and that that's what frustrated me if you're joining bingo smith show here <hes> run an hour fifteen minutes into times flying by hernandez from <hes> formerly of t._n._a. is my guest on today's program and if you join us in progress you're just getting thing off work and you want a sneak in really quick final minutes live on the free show you can call right now i know when i mentioned the the after show a couple of callers dropped off thinking i wasn't gonna sneak in another caller too to but i i will do that so if you want to call in six four six seven two one nine eight to wait will make it quick we'll move to the v._i._p. after show hit a couple of subjects and wrap up <hes> but we do have one <hes> one person the not all the while here and i want to get to him <hes> eric came or hurt that three or four seven please state your name and the city you're calling from <hes> hello this is chris new york hey chris thanks so call it what have you got for hernandez today i i got two quick questions you guys the first one is about t._n._a. is t._n._a. does lose the spike t._v. deal and go back to fox sports net will that be they'll still be alive well that'd be a real blow in terms of them having to start over again and the second question is about dove eat with all this talk about the network do you guys think they should've just stayed status quo and just the where they are and just try to network later on our chris i i will point you to tuesdays show with jason powell we went in depth <hes> on on my especially i i gave my opinion on whether they made mistakes with the network might have been in the v._i._p. after show <hes> but i definitely <hes> went into on whether i feel like <hes> network pay hey purview gamble they took earlier this year was worth it or not <hes> as fernandes earlier he's not following w._w._e. super closer right now <hes> but as <hes> as for the first topic nick you were there for a lot of the journeys of t._n._a. with you know the next thing is going to be getting on to <hes> fox sports and the next thing is going to be getting <hes> <hes> prime time live and the next thing is going to be to be on a bigger network and then the next thing is going to be pay per view or cutting back on pay per views or taking the show live on the road or getting a whole kokin into give the brand identity there's so many things where you're just that one next step away what was that like roller coaster wise for you or did you just kinda show up and just do your thing and let that business side stuff you're just kind of grew numb to it after a while <hes> more than the ladder you know you're you know you know you see that you've seen the the peanuts where lucy holds the football goes for the kick and had no radio yeah no girl when your ass yeah that's that's pretty much how i how can a with not with this the big promises listen 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about t._n._a.'s upside about where they were headed was kind of a moment in time or some things that trigger you in terms of people being around or things happening where you're like this is it and maybe you weren't sync with the locker room thinking this we're gonna make we're gonna get to that next level no okay i mean you get kringle you'll get booker t. you get comanche get <hes> whole x. puck all those guys doing that you know legends they'll that didn't work yeah meet the mafia i'm sorry eh yeah you know and then that didn't work and then you get oh well screw that that was nothing we'll bring hogan and bischoff now those guys were very nice guy very cool when i spoke to them they were very accessible yeah but i mean that was the same thing you you know it's like when they say oh we got connected to the next level yeah nope okay we got boston going that's okay we got susan hogan but you can get gone and that's not gonna help you right now yeah yeah yeah they're they're we're in a tough spot right now if that spike tv deal falls through and you know as chris mentioned maybe fox sports net fox sports one or something like that <hes> i just i don't think the carter family dixies these parents are going to be paying for t._v. time for t._n._a. for all the reasons you just mentioned sean i mean the the fact that there's been so many times that they've been told this is going to do it this is gonna this is gonna this is gonna make solvent and take us to the next level and you know having hogan and bischoff taking impact on the road every other week live to away from the impact zone and spending all that money and that was supposed to be you know that was a final thing that hogan said we'd do it brother and it didn't i don't blame at all <hes> <hes> dixie parents just saying you know we don't mind put money into something that we have hoped for but you know you guys need to be solvent on your own because you know if all these other things big moves it didn't work there's just nothing convincing on the horizon that would make us think it's gonna work now well the carter family's automobile i've met and spoken to so all of them they're very they're also you know very smart people there's a reason why they're billionaires yeah they go you know i don't know anything about what's going on with the t._v. but i do know if they go to fox network or whatever like that you just regionalized in national team program yeah you know 'cause i don't think every every cable service has won well sports one is good penetration but it's struggling i mean because it was it was launched last year to beat the competition e._s._p._n. the good side is u._s._c. is on there so there could be some cross promotion that'd be better than the ballot or cross promotion fox sports one is pretty it yeah well that's all there's fox sports one it's pretty national fox sports cnet you'd be subject to preemption for local sports all the time those are the regional ones where baseball or basketball or hockey game yeah and that's that's that's hard to gain momentum when people don't know when to tune in to find you let me get one more call here erica three three six <hes> is here <hes> please state your name and the city you're calling from <hes> name rick from in greensboro north carolina hey rick thanks column what have you got forever notice that <hes> i was curious hernandez way thanks for having me but i was curious race how is your relationship with jeff jarrett and if the option were to lay it safe out lay itself out there for you <hes> would you consider going to do g._w. at at a later date or do you have w people are going to do that a lot but yeah i don't know jeff is always you know he's cool guy he's he's very young at heart and so he likes to joke around and stuff like that <hes> i don't know anything about global deal <hes> i have a few things i'm working on and <hes> i can do divulge right now but i'm pretty positive you guys on the national 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program <hes> sean we touched on it a few times a few times but i wanna talk about the way that you were like oh from t._n._n. and i think it is so telling and such an example of and there's so many examples over the years of t._n._a. in the way that the business side of it is operated and i think your example is such a prime example oh using blog talk radio goodbye it's such a prime example of what makes people think teenagers teenager has not no hope such an uphill battle because of the professionalism that that they have in certain ways and there are so many other examples of it that are so diverse but how does ah again explain that again 'cause it's almost hard to believe it worked for that company <hes> was it was a ten eleven years what was the grand total including some time away mexico but <hes> straight it was from mars two thousand six to may of two thousand fourteen i had a small run the league guard in two thousand nelson three okay that's where that number sticks out in my head yeah so you you've got years and years and years of dedication <hes> showing up for work <hes> getting getting injured coming back early going to mexico to to get better coming back <hes> everything and t._n._a. get so wrapped up and trying to and and i and i appreciate associated businessmen that you've got to make sure you have more money coming in than you're spending or if you're spending more than it's coming in it better before a damn good reason you know investing factory you know if your your car manufacturing in fact she got invest new factor if your car wash got upgraded equipment i get that but so there's been cutbacks and that's understandable and if they decided you were somebody who was expendable expendable and they felt there were eighteen or twenty four other guys who were better than you so be it you know what that's they're called and and you can agree or disagree with that but everyone could then just have a debate eight about that's but that's business what what i think is john dropping to for me and other people is that after those years in that company the way way you were let go i again i'm not i'm i'm speaking for you i'm just dumbfounded but is there something that you're not telling us they literally just stopped using you and then stopped paying you and you have yet to even officially get a notification from them brother my mama died in ninety nine hundred ninety five i swore mama's grades ratings i have not talked to anybody email tax phone call from tina except for bob ryder giving give even some embarrassed by my into independent yup since december now it's a little <hes> marketing newsletter newsletter once a month i mean do i they i didn't even know i thought my contract was that may fourteen and then may may twelfth was a monday i woke up at twitter whole twitter's boat up talking about that my contract expired along on the show impact wrestling on following me to do what the fuck yeah been you know so i said cool i you know i'm still oh come and go man i have kids i you know i was getting paid for six months not no talking to me so we all sitting dixie a nice tax anything thank you for eight years but appreciated you know no no begging grabbing thank you because i mean you're done with me obviously i don't you know if you go back to you or vice versa and you know i'm still waiting for the response pex you're still waiting for her to respond to you yes it is there anything that can explain that in your mind even if it seems unfair petty is there anything that you said or did it or on a personal or business level where you could understand that front office excluding you from a courtesy exchange that i mean well yeah i think <hes> it was you know they they just they did it to dyamic yeah you know because i mean his let's be realistic you know grades i and i'm not delusional saying i i know i oh i turned forty one in february i'm in the greatest i've been my life since i've been twenty years old i can rock and roll with anybody wait now and well have a big hispanic they can file still people around and not be five seventy and and and you know what and you got and i'm not i've been in ninety minutes i haven't kissed her ass at all but you've got a cool factor you know what i'm saying like i don't say that because i'm just sitting here blowing smoke like you you stand in front of a camera and you carry yourself like a bad ass who's a cool guy there's that you know that's what w._w._e. likes one of the things about roman reigns is he's a cool guy he as you know women want to date him and guys wanna have a beer with him you've got that factor and that's that's something i'll tell you know chabot grill for instance with that held them back and that's kind of steered him towards comedy <hes> or had booker christine him towards comedy at times is you know he didn't have that kind of cool street cred and you have something that doesn't not everybody has well is you no one's the bad part about that way there's dixie recognized it after back and <hes> all the people who are born here in texas they they know understand the texas the tex-mex swagger stuff like that and they will constantly tell time tell creative this this is doing a wonkfest you this guy but you know his clean guys were with the ring a bar and it was this woman telling them and of course they weren't gonna listen and even being the head of finance yeah yeah he's he's a real cool do i went to college you a college here in east texas kupuna collars and he played baseball in areas well he's older guy but i mean he knows the by p._c.'s swagger the her daddy dixies daily mr quarter recognized the bible and swagger i mean every become i saw the guy hey everybody how much best kid you know yeah texas style you know he the family was awesome that was just that i think the creep people got jealous or awkward when the carpet would put me over to yeah i mean i remember <hes> that was people do we have berkeley this is two thousand twelve and we went to the carter house to have uh dinner and stuff they were very nice and miss carter was right there big texas guy tell everybody who pass by this is almost guy throngs t._n._a. he could play with the ropes and around man he's he's gonna be the champ you know here's going boost bruce prichard this and how snow these guys of course have creative until they wanna hear that yeah and i'm staying like a drink stroke of you know with my my Well I can do and why actually champion Yup and then of course you know sooner or later some way or the other cable find a way to so in a way you had prenton high places and that worked worked somehow managed to work against you. Yes yeah I can honestly <hes> this was right when those my singles is push in two thousand nine ten when I bought my neck <hes> January two thousand nine and I finally got the certainly the main two thousand nine yeah <hes> I can't be able to give them a carrot to come back and I I don't want I don't I want to watch this part because yeah this guy would always tease me. Oh man look there's dixies boyfriend yeah. This is the head of creative at the time I can figure out who it is with me and I it got so for the wrestlers are part of the guys the gets the point where I had to pull to the side like a little hooking eyebrows eight <hes> this guy saying. Can you tell them to back off. Wow and of course you know that's going to be yeah. You know yes I mean I think it's the fact that Dixie was so adamant about pushing me you know then it worked against me. Wow Yeah I mean let's be realistic. I mean at the Latin markets. We've never had a big <hes> Goldberg Berg or listener guy that could throw people around you always have the lie cheat and steal or slamming or or small Lucci door then you've got this big six one to thirty five powerhouse. I can do people around yeah and then you want to change it. You know I don't do and and I probably won't on a on a one to ten scale how professional one being completely unprofessional ten being very well run smooth professionalization. What was the typical number that you would assign T._N._A.? During your span of time there when it comes to the front office side of things the interaction with wrestlers and then like you said head of creative and and and a and that kind of thing in terms of dealing with quote management I don't want to ten. Where do you have them? I can't even write get I mean you. I've talked to you know you talk who got like R._V.. Be Trouble Greco can anderson. All these guys have been the big big leagues and it's I would you know just based on their opinions of what they've dealt with what we did with that. Was I want you know 'cause you can buy you of course they. They have you know the W._B._Z.. Guys have it's a habit have-nots at least when I was there and if you had W._B._Z.. Status you got a special team that compared. I think that if you if you did not have yes so it's quiet and complained about your character and you were a former the baby guys they listened and they they cringe them. They pretty much in you. Know can meet you. The middle you were original got no love yeah you were his step child Yup and you were there. When you mentioned it earlier you know Kevin the Nash and Booker t <hes> and the main event Mafia era how frustrating was that for you and other longtime T._N._A.? Guys T._N._A.. Originals else to watch this group. These different groups come in but this is even pre Hogan and Bischoff. Come in and just suddenly it's I it's like having your five year old and you've got your own playroom and then all of a sudden some six year old show up and just take over everything and nobody does anything about it. They're like Whoa you know where six it's kind of what it felt like every time these guys came in but the worst part is I didn't sense and you know not looking to bury anybody specifically unless you want to but it didn't seem like everybody who had that W._W._e.. And W._C._W.. Resume always came in trying their best and respecting that Tina was something they wanted to be part of helping to improve its sort of felt like <hes> we paved the way we pave the road. We put in our time. This is kind of our pension. It's it's really a favor that we're doing to T._N._A.. D._N._A. that we would even associate with this company so therefore working hard isn't really something that we need to add to it that I got that sense from from teenager so over the years but that's how they felt some of these guys the veterans from W._w._f.. For W._W._e.. W._W._f. came in with <hes> well. You were correct. I mean you know it's not just what hearsay it's not that what I say or you say or other reasons to say look look at the product look what they did when they were in the time in the ring if they were not getting the same quality of matches from their place of employment from before to T._N._A.. Hey obviously you know what what the deal is. Yeah you know look book was school tried hard. <hes> curtain was awesome. I mean I've never never had anybody complain about having a match with him because I mean he's machine you know I enjoyed my two times than sting was very nice and quarter to me but I mean I pretty much Muslim the other guy somewheres come up so I really you can't have much opinion on that then playhouse pretty much stuck in a tag so it wasn't me tax for those guys yeah <hes> had. It's a tough question to answer because one. It's it's. It's hard to know but it's heartbreaking if if you have a hunch but had T._N._A.. Not Spend all that money on on X. W._W._e.. W._W._f.. Guys and just had a a really a visionary on creative <hes> who was in or maybe Jeff Jarrett the side and you know earlier and said you know what I know. I feel like I'm the most complete guy with some name value but for teenagers to that next level we're gonNA have to do what he w did which is build around new guys to it gets or do what what led to the wrestling boom. You know with Steve Austin The Rock Mick Foley D._X.. Build around new guys new fresh blood had that happened and they made the best out of A._J.. They made the that started Joe. They made the best out of route and storm and you <hes> and we can pick out a number of other guys obviously anybody I mean yeah but that's uh-huh group. I mean that's a that's one of that's like two thirds of the core group of guys who had teenagers set we believe in you guys and we're gonNA spend an hour or two of T._v.. Every Week on National T._V. TV acting like you guys are the biggest stars and it's W._w._e.'s incompetence that led to them not snatching you about. I you know it's like you're you're. You're late first round picks and you should have been you know first first second third overall picks but we're smarter than them and here we're gonNA prove it every week. Had they done that with a bravado in confidence and play to your strengths then not dwelled on your weaknesses. I've talked to people shot who I they'll talk about. Oh but here's his weaknesses and this thing about Oh he's not Hispanic enough or <hes> <hes> from working in the ring standpoint yeah. He does this but he doesn't do this and I've just I've written it. I've said it on record and I said it off record. That's your problem in T._N._A.. Is You sit around listening. Two people pick apart the weaknesses. Nobody's complete package McMahon thoughts Boston had weaknesses that was going to relegate him to having tend to be us the talk for him when Ted didn't even WanNa talk anymore. He was just a cliche machine like I'm I'm on a soapbox but that I had they taken advantage of all your strengths it well Joe. Oh you know he kinda Pudgy and you know he's not a traditional Samoan and we don't. We don't want to play the game. It's like they all everybody always had some reason not the push people that all could have been said about everybody everybody during the boom period and the Monday night here but they didn't that could have been said about Tasr. Oh He's too short and all that so anyway. You know what I'm saying T._N._A.. Has There I yeah I mean you know there was oh he'll you know they wouldn't say directly. 'cause one thing about I I understand about creative as is you here at stake or third hand because Tina create have something negative to say they will never say directly teach yeah so I mean this. Oh you have mice. Thanks goes over Lewis. How many times I get a Mike and then when you know they've my school's? Maybe maybe not be wanting to be but I can four or five guys. You get like giving my every week. I couldn't do any worse than that Yup Yup you know then. It's Oh I don't know I don't speak Spanish strong enough but I'm raising of. I'm a third generation Hispanic. You know excuse me at my why Spanish they'll sound like I came out. You know I came from Mexico. City was a tex-mex blur band. It's a mixed race Hispanic and white they don't you know I live in America do so why would I need to have a thick spence ex yeah and and the the kicker is there's a fifth year white man film this yeah I'm not Hispanic enough or like measles during the Mexican American gimmick you know whether you yourselves in if you're listening right now or even God that says waiting we firstly Mexican American we talk that stick and flak we had we had <hes> types of the highest ratings who was leading my promo about the gimmick point. I still remember that two thousand eleven yeah but I suppose Oh yeah why do people in Channel but it's dwelling on something that is absent went instead ahead of focusing and making the best of the assets that are present and its blowing out of proportion. What's what they perceive as not being present but that's not the be all end? All of what what about what your assets were Paul. Heyman would've never pushed Tommy Dreamer and gotten him over with the C._W.. Audience he could have easily said Tommy can't wrestle with his shirt it off. His chest is too flat. It's flabby. I mean you go to said that but he didn't. He said let's make the best of Tommy Jeremy because here's what he does well. He does sympathetic figure figure. He's he's he's a he's good on promos in terms of expressing emotions he has that under you know all these things everybody who's ever gotten pushed. You could have written all these tonight Kevin Nash too many nurse knee surgeries. He can't move around the right. I mean you could have made that case for anybody and that's when T._N._A.. Spent a dozen years doing is making the case against instead of the case for because it's a bunch of I mean I don't even know why it just but it's been frustrating to watch and you're you're one of those guys have. They just got behind you and said let's take your assets. Let's take your strengths and let's breath. Just shine a spotlight on them. Well there was a lot there to work with waves move simple. I mean when you know they let me do my stuff. You know you know thinks he's a very smart business. She would go into the crowd and gauge their opinion on who they liked what they liked him. You know what parts select what they like like. I never forget to Switzerland was doing the right thing every the week Chicago and we did a tag match that we got Buddha building moving maybe travel but every single person she went to. I was one of the three names I we'll see guys that they were affected by watching because I did. I did my throat since my Bible the you know the brand side but the weird thing about was weighed less than half. Those people even knew my name yeah and I've been I've been on the show for eight years so I mean that's awkward. That is the big bowl song guy really my fucking last names on my back and my trunks. Yes you know it's it's not it's not the pants. Fall is <hes> how they market the yeah I mean you know I wanna cry like a little. You know nope I mean there's every team plays. No Guy can probably have the same great yeah yeah you know. I mean you know we walk through the airport. You see everyone clements deputy the guys who they are. I Walk Through airport. They know him somebody. There's on the T._v.. Show or I am I am I or yeah comes some silly yeah well <hes> we touched touchdown again earlier but I want. I wanted to save a little more in depth <hes> <hes> delving into your thoughts on more in depth for the after show Hogan and Bischoff <hes> what did they what expectations vacations I mean you were gone for a good portion of it but did did Hogan to you at any point seemed like he was genuinely anyone Lee in a position to really help and was trying. I what is your thought on both Hogan and Bischoff and that era of T._N._A.. I think Hogan came in and this came to work. Even you know he whatever they wanted to do. He did then complain or anything. So did they over expose them. Of course you know you know they they pretty much. I personally think they relied on his name away too much. Yeah you know the case in point I mean when Corpus Christi Texas I would draw on a TV taping over your hometown in Tampa Tampa. That's a problem you know. You can't just put hoc. Let's hear right you know you you you. I am I in my they put Hogan and the benefits that's because maybe because he's maybe severally so because he was making so much money but they just you know bank. You know they sold the farm on this hoax names GonNa draw yeah well and then there were times did mainstream media interviews and didn't mention mentioned he worked for T._N._A.. And I thought that was one of the things they brought Hogan into do is hey. This guy does mainstream media appearances. It'll be nice to get the name out there and he didn't and I know I've heard from guys is who it was heartbreaking to them. They're like why why is hoping in here <hes> and they're spending so much money on the money that right now they're paying for and he couldn't be bothered to mention the T._N._A.. T._N._A. initials that was awkward. I'm just saying leaves. You know you know there was the room where he was making. You know quite a bit per episode. Yes yeah I'm you know between thirty and forty grand episodes yeah and you know you you know he makes making a year. You know so. I know what you know. That was an upper middle card guys. Yes I mean decent mind but I mean it was getting you know every show in for him not to do that. That's awkward. I mean I guess it's kind of hard for me the business and the personal side because it was always stayed up for me yeah very personable you know so I mean that on the business side I had no idea I mean I also think the marketing guy or the P._r.. Guy With that went into that show. Did they emphasize what you say you know I there's two sides of that because I mean there's a lot of times the P._R.. People are not as it is but you would think Hogan with his level of experience would be like I'm I'm with T._N._A.. Paying big money I've gone on television paid lip service to we're gonNA take things to the next level I would I would. I think you'll be spike yeah yeah. I'm like that you know maybe not. Maybe you know yeah yeah lease whatever Outta there or not think correctly or this. Don't WanNa be there but I mean I would think you would be faced by T._v.. Yes Yup and again. It's not even it's not even that that'd make a huge difference. I mean if he's on Regis and Kelly. Hey you know what I think. It was still in the air. It's not like your ratings are GonNa go way up because he does it but just to Bali for the locker room to say Hogan's here. He's committed to the brand rand and he's GonNa take every opportunity to get that out there. I mean it. It's the D._N._A.. Initials maybe he's just embarrassed to say it 'cause. They're gonNA go what what you're some soft porn in group like you know it just it was an awful name from the beginning and that's certainly hurt but Hogan could help eliminate that stigma if they were committed to those letters I mean he was big as big as his name is <hes> <music> who's GonNa Laugh Right. That's that'd be tolling on that actually knows who's GonNa Laugh I mean I don't think he's usually the person you know feel like I can think of police in general yes I mean I like pro wrestling. God even say you know X.. Y. and they're gonna go Google yeah you. You mentioned the mismatch with Matt Morgan <hes>. Why do you think it was a mismatch and how did that? How did that kind of play out in your mind in terms of the chapter of your time and T._N._A.? Was this real simple. Baby pushed me. They didn't have to push them so it was put guys get yeah and then make them buddies yeah and then always going to Mexico Okay Matt Kick Him in the net. Hill is no. I'm Marie Jason this yeah you know me. I'm the one guy I looked like a midget next seven but of course yeah that doesn't help you know of course you know he's got me a the six one two hundred eight five powerhouse and then you have <hes> the tallest guy on the Walter. That's my partner Yeah Yeah. You know I'm doing dives. She's supposed to be the biggest giant she was yeah. How does that help us? Yeah Yeah Yep taking away from both pardons Yup Yup well put was <hes> was Chabot mentor or helpful or did you enjoy in your time working with him. Troubles cool man awesome I mean he was you know you know he's coming up in the east out wrestling which inches upward 'cause I never did it before and we're like it but I mean the psychology I mean I think he's <music> misused. I would say you know he's extremely talented. I just think that people intolerance expect him to do any nostalgia that was stuff up and that's zoom and that makes you know and they give you know reports awesome some more. I've been skiing base in England and we must I'll snare the heels and we got booed out of the building. Interest came out yeah BOOT building. I mean so imagine me I was taking taking the heat. What the hell kind of Tatum is other? Ill The contract with the crowd boon. <hes> I mean those fucking the people behind you to make the hot tag so I mean you making you now for the whole two weeks. I was making you know I was making make Luke warm tax. <hes> thank God I knew how to so people around creatively Ralegan that ramp was there accessible and I got back into it but do come January. They runs tour of U._K.. For the way we will book as as eighties base. Thanks did not do us any favors or the company tips I how cool was it for you guys when you went to the U._K.. 'cause you're playing in a studio. You know a theme Park Studio Setting Most of the time you go to the U._k.. You're in a real building with real real. Wrestling fans big crowds. It's just it's just a world's different and give you a taste of what could what it would be like if T._N._A.. Had Gotten had truly gotten to the next level. Well I mean you 'cause you know travel travel alive you know deadly on hugues apologize but you on down which by the way today's his birthday he was on the hill two weeks ago. He's GONNA offend mind you know they you know they tell me how things when deputy and you know. You're a Rockstar U._K.. You know there's bigger crowds. I mean there's people waiting for you at the airports. You know the only time we ever see that in T._N._A.. As either a big people view or believe it or not what we were doing Texas House shows and you you know I can say all these Dan Mexicans or at the airport. Thanks claim waiting to get your autograph and picks yeah. You know we're doing you know we're doing bego. El Paso the smallest power down there with a thousand people you know so you put these mid card guys you wanted to nothing with and all of a sudden Jackson the semi main wonder why we're rock stars <hes> you know case in point look at San Antonio lockdown except the final match when Billy Ray turned on Jeff Jeff Hardy who the bill and I do. Let's go like like John. Madden go to tape. You know who the biggest reaction coming out the Kurt Santana Texas we had ten thousand people fixing Dolphin Elmo Dome Yeah <unk> out you know and in you're talking to the primary reason why you had that big of a crowd because they used all my resources use. It's my personal P._R.. Lady My <hes> Roussy the small motion. I'm out there. He was all my guys and they sent the word radio station 'CAUSE I. I go there okay. I'll be in the radio next next fighting for my show next day. <hes> yeah it was syndicated syndicated shows I mean they use everyone my resources and they do ten thousand legit still the biggest club headed nited states so I mean in I and my feelings at the time she for a this counts to be the full-time Peo- lady yeah no the first time to do a discount Utah Ten grand. If you ever do in guaranteeing they ever in the states. Why the hell would you not keep her yeah? No the next month Corpus Christi you know so that I can do Corpus for the problem the Bloomberg 'cause 'cause does she believe wondered that Boston paper coming up and that you and I said No. It's okay 'cause they found some may three in Corpus <hes> <hes> and the other do well about five thousand five thousand yeah but I mean this Lady Pool Rabbit or two thousand people I I mean they had <hes> central new mayor Kinda do almost embiid with Hogan for whatever reason they want to do it or the open one door but the guy with the the mayor of the town was down and do it and it just seems like this the the stories you're telling a we're just just kind of a common not Kinda. They were a common thing all too often common theme that just had to frustrate you so much because as his task was saying on twitter a couple of weeks ago everybody T- There's so many guys so many guys worked so hard and T._N._n.. Really wanted to make it work but other things would just let you guys down. I'm well we would just basically that was the only other we would buster asking the rainfall with our to do as we did. Whatever you know 'cause you know the prime example? I don't think guys like Oh have no get a enough for this guy has been more. I mean events in his career on accident. That involved is going to be combined on purpose. Yeah I wouldn't have him have a loose a small say show and these finish this or matches or you know some kind of agent will smell as enroll you know I'm not turned jerk and trying to be you know bitter personal but you guys got to have our snow. You have deal you at the time we have a little brown and you had <hes> Simon Diamond <hes> pep Achilles now. These guys are agents that are supposed to elevate your character in your brand higher help the company big the bigger now suddenly diamond was a jobber. W and I'm part exchange range. I'm you know I got over the first we as a group of over the first six months how he's GonNa help me elevate my face. Yeah you know I mean besides some things about the hell is going to elevate me to be a big a big name player for T._N._A.. You know and I'm not should be a jerk Eric. I mean the people literally Clinton's when he's agents you know and I don't WanNa guys or talks with. I wanted to get admitted in unspoken cheat like that but I mean I don't you look at your match. You know you look at the big drawing boards and who working as it is because that's where you have to give you the outline what we supposed to do and and I role or credits you know pets core about sports like this but I mean so my kids yeah so you know oh I'm pretty positive me and you talk about you know college football or something like that but you're not gonNa tell me how to run my match yeah now. I'm just I never understood that at least d Lo Brown and <hes> our snow are very knowledgeable very credible released. They were European champions or four and continental champions or you know. I think that'd be I'm not sure I don't know I mean this. He was not more knowledgeable right. That's like having <hes> you know. I don't know the gambler be my agents. <hes> how much indeed zip I mean come on that means the game for throwing a coach that you going to do what keeps me up to more cars at you. Yeah what what is that's why I asked. What's next for you but we kind of know or you know you're saying wait and see <hes>? You're not done yet after after wrestling. Do you WanNa work in wrestling in some capacity. Do you look at <hes>. Do you have some other things in mind to do and you're <hes> fifties and sixties besides win the lottery or or do you don't have to work. I mean what what's in your future and let your game plan <hes> <hes> actually Monday. My contract should be signed everything. I'll be doing a national product. I can't say what it is now. You probably can guess Click <hes> I've been doing a couple of movies. I just did a commercial for talk wireless wireless last week this next week. I'm doing for <hes> in Texas Huntsville Dodge dealership here and <hes> I'm. I'm I'm with you know he's the T._v.. My last couple of years Tina how it's about to sixty I'm like Alec to thirty and this more leader her and <hes> as far as you know being you know maybe my kids interested in cool but I mean I don't. I don't want to be like a man I mean my time is done. I want my time to be done yeah. I'm really big into fitness and stuff like that. <hes> two thousand nine my daughter Graduate High School. She wants to Texas state champion in power thing that you're wow and takes huge so oh. She's little four version of meeting. She's she's legit. I've heard pounds water at twenty years old. Wow mazing my my understanding six. Now you can do six call ups <laughter> up there and he just you pull up sitcoms and smile doing it. Wow you know maybe you train these guys my ever liberal wow and then to be better absence yeah yeah I I just you know I sort of college. My parents let me play football because the that's great so I was the biggest on the basketball team. So yeah and you know I wanNA see these guys. I mean actually both my two younger children. <hes> taekwondo Rondo both of them are now almost do belts next month cool so I took on dose starting at age nine or ten and did it through my mid twenties off and on <hes> and <hes> just so good for physical fitness so good for self discipline and <hes> yeah everything it was just in just you know made eight friends and had a great time and don't belong to a club but not <hes> yeah but just you know self-defense confidence everything. It's just yeah I love. Taekwondo was just fantastic. I got a five year old and within a few years <hes> you know depending on when he shows interest al we got a couple just within a short few blocks in my house that we can go to sign him up for on the best. I'm forty one. I wish I would have got into our little 'cause that means is fast. Watch these kids out you know I can't get clean the room or put the D._v._d.. In the little sleep but they since they uniform on there I'll in perfect sync. Yes yes yeah all right. Well very cool. I you've been very generous with your time. We're past to our markets. Lou by I appreciate your all the time and and all the just frank conversation I think it's it's been a really good week to have gone and talked about the <hes> you know what what led T._N._A.. The crossroads at their at right now with the tenuous situation with Spike TV and where their future lies and I think a lot of the stories you tell you know firsthand for being there are for as long as you were will help put in perspective for people you know why if you're T._N._A.. Fan There's a lot of people within T._N._A.. Who you should be mad at <hes> for not taking advantage to those who had the talent and the willingness to work their ass off and a lot of talent to get to get it to a better spot than it's in right now and I think that's two hours really put really put a focus on that so I I really I appreciate the insight no problem and thanks absolutely and maybe when this next thing gets rolling? We'll have you back on the show to talk about that after Komo all right. We're that close. Thanks thanks John Appreciate that <hes> thanks for V._I._P.. Members for joining us here for the after show and on behalf of Shawn Hernandez this is Wade Keller signing up <music> <music>

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YOKOZUNA

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3:00:10 hr | 1 year ago

YOKOZUNA

"The original well that's not Adria. There's no box of Gamay Werman Wermer Innuendo deal and I wa- They'RE ICECAP Bruce Yeah move this thing with uh-huh Richard Bruce. What's going on man? How are you? I'm absolutely I could be any better right now just beautiful day and feel great man. I'm excited to cover today's episode. I guess we should mention. We got tremendous feedback last week from the episode. I think folks are big in that. You're actually a little more lax than having fun and join yourself a little hot streak. A good shows in a row. I got great feedback last week and I can't believe it but people actually like you're stupid Joe. It's a true story TAG Poncho via. We do have a new Poncho via shirt going up every Richard DOT com. If you haven't already go check it out. I can't believe that's actually a thing we're doing but apparently we are and we're doing something else. I'm pretty excited about we're finally doing it. Yokozuna goes in style. It's happening today man. This has been on the poll since I don't know what the first two or three months we had a show and never won the pole and then finally I just said fuck it on the poll. I'm excited that we're finally covering. Are you shocked that we're finally making this. What happened this show? That would never have dig getting a little Anna e action by God. We'll we'll hashtag insult. We maybe we'll do this. Maybe we will will take Kabuki. Should she make it Yokozuna and Hashtag Pont. Ub Hashtag contributions gathered trip me understand here. Ah The Jews pronounce his last name. Can you do that again for me and Hawaii. I'm I'M GONNA GO Rodney. There's no way I'm getting there. It's it's Rodney Noah and a why and a why an Dan Anna Anna Wa wa e and why and why so so Dan when you when you greet this giant tribe of Samoans TV every you say what up Anna why hell no and it's a little dog covers all oh my God are you really in two thousand nineteen hitting them with the dog the WG my God what Rodney a double G. W. S. Bills Doll Rodney and a WII. God yes twice in a row was born October hct second nine thousand nine hundred sixty six. He grew up in San Francisco and of course you probably figured out by now. He's a part of the Samoan Dynasty such a rich and storied legacy in the wrestling business business. Basically everyone who Samoan the Rock Rakhi she Taga Kit Maga Manu Jamie and J. so Roman reigns pretty much every simone ever accept some oh Joe I say fair to say you know what there's a story that a lot of people don't know about how often Sika started in the business. They had grown up in the bay area. In San Francisco I believe and in San Francisco at the time the biggest star for way shires there's promotion there was Peter My via and Peter my via being a Samoan high chief legit was just I mean man. He walked on water in the SAMOANS. They followed Peter Wherever he went. Whatever he did man it was Peter was he was there high chief so a very large Samoan community in California and so Pat Patterson would always tell the story about how he loved work with Peter Because of the heat but then he hated working with Peter Because you had to fight your way through all the Samoans at the end of the night if you've got any heat on Peter Mann you had to fight all of them and he would tell stories about these two big bastards Chris come down from the balcony and then all the cops would be oh shit here they come again that was often Sika and so later when pat when they broke into the business and pass I remember you too motherfucker down at the fight June the cow palace and I and to Nicer Kinder Gentler people you'll never meet then often Sika now on the flip side they could be mean as a snake and just rip your head off but absolutely two of my favorite people in the business that I've ever been able to be around now? Just they're just so gentle so cool aside. Let's talk about the beginning of of Rodney in he's born into of the business as you say office Sika I mean it's the heritage so I think he would have been around before he was quote unquote one of the boys. When did you first made it? I you know the first time that I ever remember spending any time or seeing Rodney that I remembered was in continental in the Alabama territory in Dothan Alabama gone down Seymour brother. Tom Who's working the continental Wrestling Federation down there so I'd come in for a week and there's Rodney and I believe God what the hell he was cocaine a- At that time and it was probably about three hundred maybe three hundred twenty five pounds moved like one hundred and fifty pounder just ungodly athleticism but I had known a new Sammy because my brother. Tom and Sammy were in a horrible automobile accident and I knew often Sika and then you know you met the kids along the way because the family was always around at different events but they were they were small and you didn't or younger I guess was never small but younger so you met them along the way but I didn't notice cocaine a- Rodney until I saw him in continental I remember coming back from that trip going Holy Shit. We've got to do something with this guy because he's got the size but his athleticism was unbelievable. That's that's so fascinating to me that everybody always puts over his lettuce his athleticism but when he starts he's like seventeen years old and of course he starts training with often secret because why wouldn't you but he starts under the name Co Kina and later the great cocaine a- and in the summer of eighty five when he's really breaking in he's already like four hundred pounds so to hear everybody sort of put over his athleticism is really remarkable. I mean that makes him a super heavyweight and and to be that athletic and rare Santa least yeah. I don't think that he was over four hundred. They might have build him over four hundred but I that he was probably ably only about three three twenty five at the time he got there. Don't get me wrong. He got there but in early on in Alabama I don't think he was tipping four hundred just yet he's working all the territories some of the smaller shots and Alabama while which is an outlaw Alabama promotion continental wrestling and even has a brief feud with Lord humongous which some of our listeners I remember what sid vicious under mask and even worked for us for very short period early in his career and between so in some of these tours he has some shots in the late eighty s and ninety ninety one with the AWA and when he's in the Awa he's managed by Sheik Adnan in who we know later it's going to be general add on the WBF. tell me about what you remember of Rodney and the W. A. and maybe what working with Vernon Karen was like well actually saw him during that time and I remember watching him I think he is part of odd Don's group and he he was being used as is kind of a monster. Heel buddy had the hair down and different things but you know you it just Kinda saw him around and it was one of those situations where when you look at him you always sauce something else other than what you physically saw in front of me if that makes any sach you always would would look at him. Oh God what he could be if you just got him out of the Samoan garb which was the the knee length trunks and tights that often Zeke always wore. I mean that's that's what they wore. That's what they were identified with a lot of the Simone's after them all did the same kind of look for a long time in just looked at Rodney and you saw something special about him. There was a twinkle in his eye there he had a he. He had a uniqueness in a very special air about him. Let's talk about Japan. I didn't realize last this but he he made thirteen trips from Japan to Japan from eighty eight to ninety two debuts in the August eighty eight tour and he's often used as part of a monster tag eighteen with big van vader which is quite the tag team in January of ninety invader are gonNA lose the auto. BGP TAG team titles title to Saito and Hashmoto and during the summer less you thank you they're gonNA bring in his cousin. Moolah the Wild Samoan and then and they're gonNA form a regular tag team and in Nineteen ninety-two. I guess he's build four forty here. He's going to be introduced. Just to Konishiki Bernard that as a five hundred eighty pound Samoan sumo wrestler who at the time is one of the biggest celebrities nobody's in Japan which he holds a a great position which I believe is a Zaki. I'm butchering all this and sumo which is a position right under Yokozuna Sunnah. It's sort of fascinating that ninety two is when he first is introduced to a sumo wrestler did you ever hear of this Konoshiki or were you guys keeping up with any sumo at all in the WWF faulk no well you know it's funny that you say on Reddit and a few other places I see people talking about sumo which makes me think you know for years. MELTZER has covered a May and I guess he thinks there's some crossover there but I've seen some fans like one of my better since Clinton from her she is you know he watches sumo. Every month and I just never really the crossover but I didn't know if there was somebody in the office who was paying attention and stuff like that because guys like John Tent did have a similar background little cadre back the day the W. W. actually brought in Canada who was a huge sumo star John Tanta and and this sky had a big major shoot one time each pad that's clip from Hershey. That's my clip from Hershey because I know that he's listening. He'll shut it up bruce. I don't talk like that. He Bore Tur- all but you know we really didn't it really look at everybody but I think that the the sumo style and and the look it just didn't wasn't conducive to professional wrestling in so many ways they were few and far between who could adapt to make that crossover but it was you don't don't but we might as well just go ahead and jump into because when we brought Rodney in for a tryout he came in in in I had was a big proponent of bringing him in take a look at him and I believe offer was pushing pretty hard. You need to take a look at Rodney need take look Rodney he came in and Vince was like what the fuck and I do with this big bastard. He's got something and it was a Bob Ramos sorrow slaughter who came up with the idea goes. Why don't you make him a sumo? Put Him in put Sumo Gar put it up and make him assume oh so that that credit goes to sargent slaughter who came up with that idea just after after the first tryout match and we were sitting there trying to think of something to do with them so next thing you know sumo drawings were made man. That's amazing using the made it but that's how it comes together. You know it's weird that I think we as fans assume that everything from the F. coming down through creative services but sometimes it's it's just one of the boys recently on the debut episode of Orn which is also available on Westwood One it was pointed out that it was junkyard dog. He pointed out that Mardi Lundy looked a lot like all the Anderson and what he no he became Anderson so who would have thought it would have been sargent slaughter who would have said I'll make this guy sumo he does show up in the WWF around the same time August ninety two he's GonNa Bring you. He's GONNA come in with cousins to and sent Mu and they're originally gonNA come in as the SAMOANS but soon thereafter be renamed the head shrinkers and on August Seventeenth Nineteen ninety-two on an episode prime time wrestling the Samoans make their debut and gorilla monsoon would make mention of another larger Samoan they would soon see in the WWF and Rodney debuted initially as cocaine Qena in an UN televised match on September First Nineteen ninety-two this is a superstars taping in Hershey Pa he's going to get a win over Ron Neil and there is a video oh floating around the Internet of him wrestling his early WBF days and his hairs down so that was the tryout totally different than than the we know and we know now that it was sargent slaughter sauce something in there and of course once he's given the Gimmick of Yokozuna he's billed as being from Japan and packaged with Mr Fuji so tell me how this idea sort of progressive SARS slaughter Mexico suggestion against a creative services they start drawing up some gear about what it might look like. How do we land on the name Yokozuna? How do we get with Mr Fuji was there any hesitation is billing him from Japan well when you look at him him and you start you start to picture what is that look going to be in you look at a sumo when they had their ass hanging out at think if thence could have had at his way and Rodney not be self conscious as he was Yoko would've had his ass hanging out and been in traditional sumo gear the whole time? Rodney didn't WanNa do that so there were there were drawings made with him to to wear the tights and then have the sumo mcgeer. Come up over it. where Rodney was more comfortable we wanted him to be comfortable came up with white and red different different different look gear some was white and red some was black and red black and red is what we eventually settled on and stayed with but a few different looks for for Rodney initially in the beginning but he wanted to present him as traditional sumo as you could possibly get in when you're talking about. What are we going to call him? You know we talked about Anna Wii. in thinking you know cocaine was another name. Do we keep that just make him a sumo champion but the champion sumo wrestler is the Yokozuna. That's what they're referred to sounds like a cool name. We're just going to call and fucking Yokozuna and it it was as simple as that. It couldn't have been an easier sure. This is what he's going to be. This is what he's GonNa look like in. This is his name. Let's go then then than anything we've done. In a long time. 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At Save with Conrad Dot Com that SAVE WITH CONRAD DOT COM website wasn't convinced save eight with God dot Com and a molested number six zero eight four equal housing lender just fascinating here you know how these characters sorta come to life before we ever see him as part of the Gimmick as you said he's is gonNA wear hair up in a tight bun and he's going to wear this traditional sumo thongs with tights underneath those and when he comes to the ring he's GonNa throw salt in the corner corner. These little touches is he involved in that process at all or is this all just sort of ready made handed down and hey go figure it out and get over big boy oy now we gave we know game the bucket with the salt and everything because that was a tradition in the sumo wrestling you purify the rain and you throw salt all which purifies the ring before you go into an after so that was a part of the CMO tradition for years the stereotypical typical at the Russell was from Hawaii or Japan and they were builds from Japan then they always through the salt and it was purification but then they would always use salt later on the mat later on in the match is a weapon so this was tradition and tried to keep as close to that tradition of sumo is you could within our realm talk to me a little bit about the presentation with tights. Is this something he's used to wearing a could see how some guys would be. I don't know hesitant tint to to have a look like this any hesitation or push back that you remember for him at all not once we got to the tights I mean the the hesitation was this just going out there without the tights and having his ass hanging out there God damn i WanNa see that ass so once he got title is completely comfortable because always worn tight so that was no big deal at that just made him comfortable and that was important New Mexico debut the August Thirteenth in Regina Canada. He's going to defeat Joey maggs. Most people remember was an enhancement talent a Lotta Times. WCW His pay per view debut happens at survivor survivor series ninety two is GonNa Pin Virgil after sitting on him and a mouse roadside Yokozuna. It's going to be a moneymaker. This is exactly what it should have been. One One star the match Lagos three and three minutes thirty four seconds the Banzai drop talk to me about that as a finishing maneuver. It definitely looks devastating. You could definitely see that this is very believable and it's very believable because it probably was very dangerous. tell me about the Banzai drop and what you remember about coming up with it in any hesitations or concerns you got my hat shit light as a feather man Yoko Yoko could be he heavier than his four hundred plus pounds and he could also be like a pillow hello so dependent upon which Yoko you got that day and how he how much he liked you so for the most part it was a pretty easy Bob and it was just so devastating that after that bonds drop what else would he do. WHO's getting out of that? WHO'S GONNA kick out of that and it was simple? It was something everyone could take again. This was one of those everything thank fell into place so easily because it was so logical and you had the right guy in the right gimmick doing all the right things. We know that Yoko is headed for great things because soon after this survivor series match she's working with Randy savage on the house shows is actually beating randy any tation for Randy on Randy's to put over a new big guy like this. None Randy wanted to work with them. Randy was happy to go out and work with Yoko. Oh every night because randy saw the money in it. Randy thought Holy Shit this big bastard is his going to be great so randy talk. Let me go around take that chief Jay strongbow role if you will let me go around put this son of a bitch over everywhere and really really get him over so that when he's going into your town and all the live events you're seeing him against former. WWF champion Macho Man Randy savage and he's he's beaten it got Yoko over immediately it comes in to the Royal Rumble Nineteen Ninety Three Rian January twenty four th and Sacramento as number twenty seven in the rumble match. He's GonNa Eliminate Bob back on the TACO earthquake Carlos Cologne own Tito Santana Oh and heart and randy savage which sounds like one hell of a hall of fame class he was winning the royal rumble match and as a result earns a world title shot at Wrestlemainia not and this is the first time that they had that stipulation where if you win the rubble you get a title match at Wrestlemania pretty creative eight to finish savage and Yoko it last two in the ring savage gets Yoko down does the drop off the top but it goes with the peon and Yoko bench presses him off from the ground over the top rope to win the match and even though Yokozuna was only in the company for a few months at this time you gotTa think Uh there strapping the rocket to him. Holy cow gets a win on pay per view at survivor series very quickly after his debut now throws out half the roster and wins the rumble and he's in the main event for Wrestlemainia. This is unprecedented to be pushed this far this hard this fast ah well every time from yokozunas debut up up until this point you would hear that music music was very low key calming yokozuna would walk out. Oh come through the curtain in the crowd would all stand in you would hear a murmur across the audience music all all my God look at that Oh he's at all and then when Yoko would give his finish there would be an audible. Oh so this bastard had captured the imagination of the audience because they never seen someone that size that look sure we've seen Andrei seemed big guys. This was a big bastard that could move and knew how how to use his weight so to the average fan. They're talking amongst themselves going who the fuck can beat this guy how wou how you going to get him out of the rumble if he if he enters rumble he can't over the top rope. WHO's GonNa who's GONNA eliminate him? So it was a perfect storm you know this was during the time that we were all looking at eh different things to do and we're looking at life without Hulk Hogan so we thought at the time for a little while okay wh- what are we gonNa we do do we change this formula and go with a monster heel and look for a baby face to to chase. He's just discussing a lot of different things and we had the perfect storm in Yokozuna because he had captured the audience's imagination and and every time he was water cooler talk so let's go with it because you can't pick it and you can't you you can't figure out how they can beat him and if they don't beat him and he wins who the fuck ever going to beat him well. It's just fascinating to me that did you know this guy comes in so fast and it's pushed so quickly. How is he you know this is a guy who's been wrestling for a while? At this point ain't house he responding to the push. You know some guys don't always respond well to it and aren't really prepared for it. We've talked about that here on the show others are ready for it but perhaps everybody in the locker room isn't how is this perceived by others and his Rodney ready for this you think Rodney took it as if it were another day at the office as far as everyone else in the locker room you couldn't deny him is ability. You can deny his talent Alan and Rodney what an Asshole Ronnie's great guy that everybody liked so you're happy for the success he was having and if what what they were doing with him was successful than it successful for everybody else in ball so it was all good and here was a guy if he gets over and business picks up it helps everybody along the way so it was it was nice. I mean there there was no I can't really wasn't oh animosity towards him and if there were than probably just shut him up but the work because Rodney wasn't an asshole about it in any way shape or form as fascinating to me that the the main event wrestlemania before the undertaker you know the undertaker comes in at survivor series ninety and he sees Yoko just sort of zoom right past them to the main event of Wrestlemania. Do you remember how their relationship sort of got kicked off off because I think a lot of fans have seen the pictures floating around. We know that your concern on the undertaker once upon a time where we're pretty good friends and they became fast friends so so again it's I think that the jealousy and all of that Shin- comes from outsiders trying to stir up shit and and think you know I shallow thinking think of what they would think in a in a lot of times guys like that taker was happy to have a new guy to work with and that's if Vera baby face like him and you're looking to seeing this big bastard come in. I'm going off faulk. That's money I can hardly wait to work with that son of a bitch so that that's was was more feeling than anything iris a second time out right. Now you know we're we're GONNA spend a lot of time today talking about aiding and unhealthy eating. I and we should talk about healthy food for a minute here and you've got you've got something you feel really passionate about that. 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WRESTLEMAINIA Bret Hart's one of the boys but he's pretty opinionated at times. What did he think about a big garlic yokozuna coming in and being in the spot so quickly? We'll Brent was a whole lot less opinionated at that time yes he was opinionated in united but at the same time I think Brett probably was a little concerned from the standpoint of what the hell am I gonNa do with him. for the same reason of He's a big guy and people may not believe the Brett that could beat him now. Undertaker may have a chance of bigger guy might have a chance but initially the way that Yokozuna Push. Everybody been some concern on Brett's part. I don't know that he ever ever came out and voice that at least not to me or Vince or anybody else I think he was looking at again. Somebody new to work with and trying to think how yoga's going to tap out to the sharpshooter right well. Let's talk about that because they do have a match January thirty first at a house show in Toronto and this is essentially a preview via wrestlemainia main event Brett's GonNa win by count out and then on February sixth nineteen sixty three. I'll superstars duggan is GONNA succeed in knocking echoes into down which is the first time that's happened and then Yokozuna would hit Duggan with a bucket assault that Mr Fuji brought to the ring and then hit him with four Banzai drops the fourth being with the American flag draped Dover and in the process Doug and also well he's bleeding which is pretty rare at this time and the WWF and as a result of this angle. There's some controversy we've talked about this before when we cover shows from nineteen ninety-three but it's picked up on the the news in Los Angeles is that the Association of Asian Pacific American artist the AARP A Japanese American Citizens League and the Media Action Network for Asian Americans have all taken issue with this and are now protesting and you guys now have to go on the defensive in sort of defend this and their issue as they made it into an East West type of thing it perpetuates the hate. The General American population has being educated wrong on who we are when you hear that there's there's pushback about this and obviously for you to have dug in bleeding here and you know drape in with the American flag before you do what you were looking for quote unquote heat is this the wrong kind of hate or is this the beginning of the PC culture what advanced think of this. I think you know at the at the time it was promoting a pro American sentiment which is something something that has always taken place in American wrestling. You know you have the evil international star come in and if they're from any place other than from where you're from they're bad and they're evil and that was something that had been done in movies television everything it you could possibly imagine looking at the Olympics back then and how you know it was it was pro-america. Everything was about America against the world so anybody coming coming into America to make a name for themselves whether they were Japanese German French whatever then they were anti anti American so we were doing what we had done for many years now I think when you look back on it through the eyes of two thousand and nineteen nineteen wouldn't do that today you wouldn't have those same you would have that same type of rivalry in two thousand nineteen seen in this is probably as you say probably the beginning of that. PC Culture of having a voice speaking up and people taking notice to it but it wasn't meant to offend anyone it was meant to entertain and it was meant to capitalize allies on what was really going on in the world and how people did feel it that time and you're you're doing it from from from home. Base so is is an American. That was the majority. I think how people felt wait. Hang on you think that people felt white Roy angry with Japan in nineteen ninety nine. No no I'm saying angry with you know any foreigners that was the stance of everything was pro. It was America against the world and by this time I think that the Japanese he'll of Mr Motos of past years the past say what yes so. It's weird that we're talking to Germans. You know I it hit become passe but there were still a pro America feeling in the world in Hans. I I guess the question. Is You know right or wrong. Wrestling is a form of entertainment and because it is in the public a lot a lot of people contend that they have an obligation to Take take a step back and say I know we could but should we do you you think that in nineteen ninety-three. WB should've been perpetuating some of the Anti Japanese sentiment here. I think like that it was against something they'd been done for years and right or wrong I don't think that anyone had ever brought up that people might have been offended Japanese-americans if you will American Japanese people of Japanese descent living in America who were American citizens so so you didn't listen. I'm not really didn't think about that until they brought enough. You didn't but that's what I was looking for. That's what I WANNA talk about. A gases asses. It does feel like if you're in the wrestling bubble then you're used to okay. We need a bad guy. Well just say he's a Nazi and so we'll have a German here but we'll put Nazi symbols on him and Columbarian von whatever and he he'll be a bad guy and okay well now. We've got a Japanese. He's got all right well. Let's make him tip toe around everywhere and then sneak up behind people and we'll yellowy Pearl Harbor Him and he can sort of salt in there. Is You yeah so whether that's good or bad or whatever in poor taste it has what had been done in wrestling for so long. I guess my question question is. Do you think that perhaps people who are in the office. Were so far in the wrestling bubble that win these activist groups take issue. They're like Whoa Whoa Whoa what what the fuck ran were just just Japanese guy. This is what Japanese guys do in wrestling no. I think it's you look at it. As entertainment you know even to this day there are still hill movies that are made that depict foreign leaders as evil and you still there still that feeling doing this was entertainment. That's all we didn't set out. Hey let's go out and offend people. Here was never the intent the intent was to go out and tell the story that people people can understand and people can get behind and easily understood but if you go out with the intention to offend you're never gonNA in a win because it's offensive in that wasn't obviously that wasn't the goal and until someone brings it to your attention a lot of times. Unfortunately you don't think think about it now. I think that people think about it probably too much which is good that you ask the question up for Hunt and saying well hang on yeah if if you do this then what are the ramifications of it in one thousand nine hundred ninety three thirty years ago whatever it is those questions were brought up because they hadn't been brought up before we hadn't had some would come on and say that before now I get it and I think you know to defend in their position for a minute I it's probably based on and you may argue this but in nineteen ninety-three a lot of the presentation in the WWF was to children or younger folks and if we're sort of teaching there's younger folks that Oh Japanese bad people. I could see how activist group would take issue issue with that that you know maybe there. Were you know some some folks who lived in a different era who who had different opinions but maybe we shouldn't be passing that down here so I understand both sides I guess because I two now in the wrestling bubble and you guys had a PR person who would come out and address this and he he says that Yokozuna has been very well received by fans since he was brought in and he's defending the company saying the WF has another Japanese wrestler ten ru there's a good guy and he says that the future matches of Yokozuna will be monitored and the TV station there in La says the decisions whether or not to air them we'll be made on a case by case basis and when the show ears on Saturday it's interrupted by Lord Alfred Hayes says because of the graphic nature of the match it couldn't air and instead they air the ric flair. Mr Perfect loser leaves town match in its place so Lord Alfred has to give some sort of cover reason and it was bloody as to why it's not airing and the follow up to this is going to be that the Quincy Patriot ledger is going to report the Robert Burke a fifty four year old filed a petition in US District Court in Boston to force the there. We have to make a televised apology for mistreating the flag. That's the American American flag I don't know why but that to me is amazing that this one angle gets you heat not one way but two ways yeah yeah I mean it. It is crazy and if you only know the the a strong sentiment of trying to protect everything and sometimes it seems like you know you offend one. You're gonNA offend somebody else on the other side I'm was I was just reading today. Great article about like right. Now people are petitioning about the joker movie. That's coming out the people haven't even seen yet get and want it banned because of the violence but yet how is that different than a John. Wick movie was the comparison. I haven't seen either but I find it funny. How people can pick one side of an argument or pick one side of something and this is so bad evil? We should never see this or what about this. It's the same and thing but it has somebody else in it. Oh that's okay. It's just and that's what this was yeah. I think that if something offends ends one side is gonNA offend the other probably just as much. Let's talk about a few weeks before Wrestlemania on TV and Yoko do a contract signing which ends with Yokozuna because in jumping heart splashing him leaving him laying and you're going to start working shows with the undertaker as we head in Wrestlemainia and on the marched wrestlemainia special that ears on the USA Network on the twenty eighth Yokozuna would pin randy savage so he's kept really really strong as we head into wrestlemainia and I think everybody knows by now happened Wrestlemainia on it is available in the archives if you'd like to check it out Yokozuna pins Bernhardt eight minutes and fifty five seconds three star or match but of course that's not the only thing that happens cogan comes out Fuji Challenges Him immediately for the title Hogan axes if he's more concerned with Brat wrap than getting the title and Brad tells them to go take the mats and take the title Fuji Throws the Salt Hogan Ducks clothesline leg drop one-two-three twenty one seconds can slater Hulk Hogan is the first person opinion because you know took him twenty one seconds depending on because and win the world title and of course Hulk said this was his idea at the eventual payoff being him dropping the title back to Yokozuna. When did you first hear about this idea of we'll talk about we talked about all the Hogan stuff ad Nauseam but we're gonNA have Yokozuna this marquee talent that we have pushed to the moon and made this unstoppable monster and when he leaves his feet it's a big deal and he's got heat every which way but we're going to have greater than twenty one seconds okay? I'm only going to speak to from the yokozuna point of view since we have covered it ad Nauseam I hated it. I hated it for the reason you just said I wanted Yokozuna be unbeatable until the right guy came along and the right situation to come along to beat him and have it means something and that guy was probably going to be undertaker and and were someone someone else along the way and or Brett. It's right time in the right situation so from that point of view. I just hated killing the he'll you build L. Heal to do the to do the nasty beating your champion and then he's B- Twenty one seconds later just it. It just killed it for me and I did. I did like the idea of beating Hogan but I didn't yeah. I just hated it. Yeah I mean I get why you hate it. I mean you made this monster and now it's Dylan and it's done probably because Vince is in love love with all Cogan but you can check that out on wrestlemania non Brett wrote a few weeks prior to Wrestlemainia but he managed to talk to Yoko Oh and said lay on the dressing room floor and let me see if I can put the sharpshooter on which I think is just fucking fascinating because to your point that you sort of alluded to earlier Brett's only concern was can we get fucking get myself. I can finish Sean Him. This bastards big legs and he says I didn't picture beating him with it. None of the fans would have think it's possible. Return them over the move has the potential to be a great spot for Wrestlemania nine bence was having him destroy all of his opponents and shaping up to be a huge underdog and then of course we know that Vince Calls Brent on April second and ask them to meet him in sweet and he does as soon as they sit down. He says this is what I WANNA. Do I want you to drop the belt to Yoko tomorrow pretty amazing Does this shock you that Brett a month out as hey let me just if I get my finisher minister on me like there's no there's no fans. They're not in the ring there just in the back yeah no I and that was one of the things because Brett is all the Brent looks at the business the way I think most people should look at it is he looks at the ring as his canvas and and he wants to paint a picture and tell story big part of Brett's story is sharpshooter so he will know you know thinking Missouri our way I could ever get him in it is there he Saddam big can can I even give arms around his legs and his his legs are as big as some people's body so oh shit breadth thinking hand looking at this would be a pretty cool spotter bucket ever get to but I've got to know that I can get to it. I just amazing to me Brentwood rider the math in exhausted Yoko stampeded like a runway elephant shortchanging me on my a comeback and editing out all of my best bots I would. I was furious that he would take it upon himself to go home on his own. I don't know let's just amazing to me. He says I was a little pissed off added for going home on me and not let me show Vince Hogan and everyone else the wicked tear the house down down without their bullshit finish even so it was the best math that Yokozuna ever had as far as you noted Yuko call the match to end early. No we called the match early. We're running short on time after estimate by the way lots unpacked wrestlemainia nine. I think it's one of our better are episodes. If you liked when Bruce and fight boy that's gotta be near the top of the list. Go check it out in the cavs at something to wrestle dot com after Wrestlemainia. Yoko was gonNA work with Doug an undertaker on a lot of the house shows. Let's skip to the next major events King of the Ring June Thirteenth Nineteen ninety-three Dayton Ohio. It's the first King of the ring on pay per view and less process talking about gas this monster this unbeatable monster is finally GonNa take whole Cogan and Hulk Hogan as built the WWF on his back and on the back of beating monsters and Yokozuna beats him this is Hulk Hogan's last master Manson Company for a long time and Hogan's going to drop the world title on pay per view. I think this is the first time he's been pinned in the WWF since wrestlemainia six at nineteen ninety as we last time we see Hogan on pay per view for the company until way out oh too so this is unbelievable bowl that happens this way and they're gonNa go thirteen minutes and eleven seconds of course there's the finish the cameraman who throws the fire and Yokozuna penwith leg drop and after the match gives him a Banzai and Hogan has to be helped out so not only is Hogan dropping the world title on pay per view and taking a pin for the first time in years but it's his last match out and he's GonNa let them his finish after the bell and then stretch your job Bob unbelievable the way this comes together like this yeah but yet very believable and again go back to Hogan's idea and that you you know I was like but over in the end and wanted to make sure that he got put over strong did did honors and carry him out a line ours not to be heard from again until as you say two thousand two so it was a big deal. I just you think we could have got there without being Yoko along the way listen I agree. I mean it disappeared that nobody can get this fucker off his feet and Hogan beat them in twenty one seconds he does get the wind back and he gets it in a big way and I I gotTa tell Ya I know you. You know we sort of gloss over this fact a lot on the show but man it's a big deal to be Hulk Hogan for the world title. It's a big deal to be Hulk Hogan on paper of you and it's a big deal deal to send him out of the promotion on a stretcher because this is really his last televised things like this and there was lots of guesswork in hopefulness and speculation as to what might be in the future for Hulk Hogan Bret Hart did a photo shoot with Hulk Hogan. We've talked about that before breads thinking we're going to wrestle at Summer Slam ninety-three only three meltzer's GonNa speculate based on the way this finish happened. It's gotta be Yoko. Hulk Hogan in a rematch at Summertime ninety-three of course none of that happens. Do you think when Hogan agreed to take the finish and then take the stretcher job. He thought he could work some sort of deal out to come back at Summer Slam or do you think he was just you know. It's the right thing to do. I'll do it on the way out. I think at that point the hulk was done. I think at that point hulk and made up his mind he was going to do thunder in paradise he wanted to do the movie thing and and this was his way of going out. It's just it's fascinating to me that we've seen Hulk Hogan passed the torch before and they he tried it with the ultimate warrior and most people would argue well. The ultimate warrior had a bear looking he was born muscular and he was over with the fans but it wasn't a bad hey guys it's supposed to be like the replacement for Cogan but when Hogan does the honors the second time it's for this giant Yokozuna and he's he's a monster. He's a he'll and he's not a good guy. It's total opposite of what we saw at night in nineteen ninety and it does feel like at this point point you know we're trying to figure out what's next for the company not just what's next for Hulk Hogan but what's next for the company because we just beat Bret Hart Wrestlemania Yoko beat him and now he's one King of the rings or so keep him strong and we're gonNA find out what's next on the fourth of July aboard the USS Intrepid Intrepid we see the Stars and stripes challenge various athletes from several sports GONNA try to body Slam Yokozuna who at this point has never been body slammed process that he wrestled uh-huh Cogan was a body slam from the WWF. You've got the Steiner brothers. You Got Bob Ackland. You've got to talk oh you got crushed. You Got Randy savage. Everyone's trying. Nobody's going to happen you got an NBA player Scott Burrell. You've got Bill Froehlich the Detroit Lions you've got a couple of Pittsburgh penguins all of them unsuccessful all then all of a sudden a helicopter philosophy and lands and lex Luger dressed in red white and blue shirt gets out and walks to the ring and as a reminder up until this point right LEX has been a he'll he's been playing the narcissist character after a brief staredown with Yokozuna he hits him with the Bonnet forearm which allegedly had a metal plate in it and then body slam jerkers which in the process gives Vince McMahon his new top baby face a hulk Hogan out of the WWF at allows lex lex Luger to slot in be the new body guy that maybe Vince was looking for. We've talked a little bit about the Lex Express and one of our very very early episodes of of something to wrestle you can check that out at something Russell Dot COM but on the heels of this event legs riding around the country on a bus and you guys are calling the Lex Express and you can hear about those shenanigans and how challenging they were Bruce but let's talk about this the spot on the ship whose idea was this. Let's go in on a fucking battleship and do this well God is the United States rates of America's birthday fourth of July and the USS Intrepid is sitting there right in the harbor New York City huge tourist attraction storied battleship what better place then for an an American hero to come in and and body slam this this monster from faraway and the the incredible part about all this shit we told Alexia but that day it was a hundred and seven degrees he's on the deck of the US intrepid we had capacity crowd on that damn ship people were fainting from heat exhaustion this how hot it is and we're like going downstairs just to try and catch you you know a few breasts of air conditioned air on the ship and then coming back up and it's like holy fuck and just sucked the life out of you and Yoko and Fuji or in the rain this whole time and the first thing that Yoko does when he gets in the ring courses he takes off his flipflops flops is is things well. This ring has been sitting on the deck all morning it. We're kicking this thing off at high noon so so the sun has been beating down on that canvas four five six hours whatever it is and Yo- kicks takes office flipflops and goes to step on the Mat and starts doing the hot foot dance and turns around to go put his flip flops back on and Food G kicks him off the Apron. 'cause like I gotta get my clothes. Yunan need flipflops and see yoke goes up there and just Dan that's why yoke goes move and sedan much when he is in there finally just settled in burn the bottom of his feet but yeah he was dying up there as hot as it was and Fuji was just laughing his ass off the whole time an savages out there savages in the dam pleasure whatever stuff that he's wearing sweaty. I Bet Randy lost thirty pounds at day. Just he was dripping wet like his sweat came through the leather shit the tights he was wearing in his sweat was coming through the tights. He sweat Sudan much so finally when lex comes down and were wait wait for that damn helicopter and this is like fuck at helicopter and Nelson Smuggler. WHO's on the other side does he does he you should we send the helicopter now? Got Data was her I think we should get the helicopter started now and the whole thing was a helicopter was supposed to be going right so that all it had to make one fucking move and sweep in and be there so we're like Art Art Ladies and gentlemen. It looks like there's no one else here that could challenge Yokozuna. Oh my God in the sky. What's that will we'll fucking helicopter was supposed to be there? This God data chat fuck helicopter. There's no helicopter so finally they sent the Goddamn helicopter and it comes down their top. pettingill blesses are just so good at it filling time and ad Lib. He's like wait what wait a minute. I'm getting word what I call your attention to the far end of the ship you know and finally the helicopter showed up and here comes our savior lex Luger and when Yoko hit that fucking Matt he got up so damn quick he was like Fuck Tuck this yet and we were out of there but that was that was a hell of a promotion because fourth of July New York City we had a ton of of great sports stars that were there that wanted to be a part of the damn thing everybody had a blast set for the people that passed out and I thought that was one of the the neater promotions that I've ever been involved with that. One was a lot of fun. It was just unique week and people to this day still talk about it yeah. They're still talking about it because it was awesome Kinda to come together. It does feel it's kind of a cool deal to have an opportunity to be on a battleship like this. This is called like battleship are US yeah exactly you know say. US landmarks are us. They tell you first thing okay well. Let's see where are you. What is your location Damn Stamford Connecticut Pal? Oh okay well. We have the intrepid down here. It was either that or Norwalk beach so we chose the intrepid. Oh Yeah I would not I mean fuck man. It's New York City. We thought about doing knit on Ellis Island L. Silent One can allow it and so the next you know kind of the next best thing is the you're. You know what you're thinking Ellis Island. You're thinking Central Park Central Park Woo we just we didn't WanNa do Central Park and then we had done a lot of stuff with the USS Intrepid Foundation so we done different events Aaron Thought Shit Dude are battleship. That'd be cool's fuck. You know lex commit on the helicopter. I know we did talk to the folks at Ellis Island and they they weren't keen on it from the standpoint of of getting an audience. They're sure not not a part of you know the the Ellis Island tour and statue liberty and everything so there were a lot of lot of hindrances on that end but Trepelo thought she thought it was cool shit when it came together whether it was I've still got that poster somewhere but May when I unpack eventually I'll pull that one out the the idea of it being on Al Silent Is the only thing that's cooler ruler. It's way better than the beach you were talking about. I mean the ship is is pretty fun. I mean people are still talking about it. I got a private grew chap of group chat easy for me to say of wrestling Fan chaps in that chat a lot of taps on that jazz you know and when they found out I was doing the Oklahoma I've been invited. You wouldn't want to be in there. I I know you're right. You're right you are right. I would not want to be in that chat. I've seen some of the chats from those chaps in that chat you don't like any of those taps on that. I mean you like them to their face but as soon as those chaps on the chat turn their back you're just you know I start Chapman about them you do that's that's all you do Indiana especially Silva. I feel like if you were to civil still in it yeah. He's in it for not really he's like it's it's like you know after you've been drinking all night and then the next day if you've taken cheers you like drinking online. Well not really talking about cheers. this is a big deal man. I if you're trying to reduce the negative effects of alcohol cheers really works. It's like an an asset for alcohol cheers. Restore is going to neutralize alcohol's negative effects. 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After the intrepid a week later they July twelfth Ross headlined by Yokozuna and crush coal storyline going here because because Yoko is going Berserk because of slam and now he's GonNa give crush several bonds is after painting him they need to get a destroy Taka and enhancement talent until until Randy Savage Ansa Talka- pool crush out of the Ring Yokozunas going to then start working with Brian on several house shows he's GonNa pin and most of those is but he'll lose some others by the Hugh and there's a contract signing for Yokozuna lex Luger and Mr Fuji is going to bring out Jim Cornell as the new spokesperson for Yokozuna because you know we've talked about this. Jim Cornet episode but briefly tell everybody. Why did we think that we needed another element? Yokozunas Act Yoko needed needed damn mouthpiece and Fuji was going to be the one to go out and sell tickets for Yokozuna. Yoka wasn't GonNa do it and part of the negotiations I guess if you will Jim Cornet was doing smokey mountain wrestling and we brought Jim and the heavenly bodies into do some TV in exchanged we would help Jim was smokey. Mountain wrestling and Vince was highly impressed with Cornelis gift of Gab thought what is she getting fulltime and I said absolutely not but if we do do some self was smokey mountain and may be used the bodies I bet you we could at least get television character out of it and let's talk to him so vincent I grabbed corny and pitched him and Corny went exactly where I thought he'd go which was smokey mountain to which events was ready for an agreed to help him out however we could good and next thing you know official spokesman for Yokozuna Jamesy Cornet Mother fucker having a steady diet double double cheese burgers extra Mayo Double Onion Mother Fucker starting July twenty ninth the it's going to be see that famed European tour that you've heard Bruce Shout at each other about talk Hogan's final matches in the company before he officially leaves is challenging for the title every night during the tour. They're gonNA Russell Pretty steadily between July twenty ninth and August sixth eight times in fact hoke winds mall by the Hugh Hugh on the rest of the tour Yuccas going to wrestle and beat Randy savage or Bret Hart and then they're back stateside come August thirteenth there at Madison Square Garden and they draw thirteen thousand fans to see Bret Hart and Yokozuna in a steel cage for the world title man. That's a pretty big town main event for MSG she and at a time when business is down thirteen thousand tickets is very very respectable absolutely in it was it was that big rematch is from wrestlemainia first time in New York and I WANNA say in the garden. This may have been yoke goes first appearance in the garden as champion so it was yeah per respectable. I'm pretty excited about the next thing we're going to talk about here. It's August twenty third so ten days days after the MSG show we're going to go down to the mid South Coliseum for US W. H. Show and this is where we'll see our first ever Yokozuna lex Luger match happen is non title of course that allows LEX OPINION OKO after a body slam clothes launched an elbow drop but what's fascinating about this is this is the same show were Vince McMahon is playing. He'll for the very first time interfering in Jerry lawler versus Paul neighbors of course Vince is going to interfere by tripping Jerry lawler and I think a lot of fans have seen online where Vince today he'll promo leading up to this show. He's in neighbors corner man. This is a big moment for an independent pendant like us w I know it's going to become like a developmental territory for you guys but then I only have the world champion there and what's going to be your summer slam main event there the also have Vince McMahon as like as we've never seen him before. This is quite the coup that happens here Memphis. That's as you had never seen Kim before. I didn't countered he'll Vince McMahon for years before that yeah was and that was one of the reasons that Vince it's even agreed to go. We wanted to see the match with Lexin Yoko so it was good reason for him to be there and while he's there fuck up Jerry lawler's match you saw a win win. Yeah it is a win win and it's a really really cool moment. Jim Cornet Yokozuna believe it or not are both on Regis and Kathy Lee the morning warning of Summer Slam which is fascinating to me. Meltzer says that Cornet was told be funny and not be a heel on the show but everyone's cheering for Yokozuna. What do you remember about Jim Cornet and Yokozuna on Regis and Kathy Lee just I've never seen this? I gotta go out of my way to see this. Jim Cornet in this environment. Should it'd be hilarious. He was hilarious because now regis is great and Kathy is Kathy but you know it was a lot of fun because regis fancies himself a good talker. Jim cornets great talker so it was this kind of the battle of the mouths on early morning television. Aren't let's talk about summer slam such big show. I think everybody knows August Thirtieth Nineteen ninety-three House of Auburn Hills right there in Michigan. what's fascinating about the presentation here is that we've got national anthems saying for both perspective countries Aaron Neville is GonNa Sing for America. Jimmy Suzuki is going to sing for Japan just crazy when you really think about what we're talking about here meltzer would say Lugar looked like he was two hundred and thirty pounds owns which is a sixty five pound drop in the past year and thirty pounds down just in the past few weeks Meltzer gave it two and three quarter stars. I guess we should mention isn't that the finish to this is not exactly what people assume. It's going to be Yokozunas GonNa miss the Banzai Drop Luger's GonNa hit a body slam and punch. Mr Fuji Fuji is going to remove his elbow pad and hit Yoko with a clothesline sends them to the floor and there's a count out finish so Lugar wins the match but he doesn't win the title in seventeen minutes and fifty eight seconds balloons are coming down huge celebration Steiner's ta-talk hit the ring. They're playing a video with Luger Lugar just highlighting his bus trip and after the videos over yokozuna still knocked out and Jim Cornell still trying to revive him and they're trying not not to emphasize that Luger Hatton won the title and instead just pushing that Luger one two or three quarters in the observer it is a little weird though oh it does feel like it's set up for this big crowning moment for Lex Luger and looks like it feels like it but it's really not yea then some thence one soul he just one one hundred percent sold on lex. There was as you know when you originally start on this journey I think we all Kinda started with the end result being okay Alexa beats him and and that guy okay. Let's go along the way lex stumbled along the way in any wasn't drawing. He wasn't really connecting with the audience the way that we thought it would connect with the audience and Yoko was people were believing leaving and Yoko so yoga wasn't the coming off the heels of Russell Manian the anhalt beating him yoke wasn't this undefeated monster at this point so we also had to rebuild Yoko but I think the biggest probably the biggest thing was vince wasn't sold on lex one hundred percent he he wanted to build lex more and see if if lex could withstand the test of time zones idea was is as well just kick on relax. We're going to keep pushing him and if they're going to get behind him get behind him on the chase so that's in that decision was made. Well ahead of well ahead of you know the show taking place me. We knew what we were doing but it just I don't know I never I just didn't feel it. You know what I mean. You know how sometimes she's like you get there and then it it. Just there was nothing there who's kissing your sister. He one day was a fucking cow now and I think that's the way the audience fell think the obvious felt deflated in and they're like okay. They're holding him up on their on their shoulders. He's the hero but he didn't win the bell. Just let me freestyle for a minute here. It feels like like you know in the middle of this steroid controversy and Hulk Hogan's going to step away for a little bit. We'll even going back to nineteen ninety. We're trying to find the next hole cogan organ trial with the ultimate warrior. We realized very quickly. There's no such thing as the next Hulk Hogan but we sort of feel like we have our hand forced. GotTa go in a different and direction so we're GONNA try Bret Hart. It's a business is down understandably. I mean that's a cyclical business is what everybody says whenever businesses down but for whatever reason with British champion business isn't doing what it did with Hulk Hogan so when Hulk Hogan is flirting with the idea coming back and at the same time we've built this monster. He'll it does feel like okay. Here's an opportunity. The whole experiment is maybe not exactly what we wanted that relationship this tumultuous a best so we decide. Are you know what let's just pivot back to our mosques that we built and maybe since we can't be enamored with big over juiced muscles now we're or just an angled with monster size yokozunas our guy. We're going to get comfortable in that role but in the back of our mind we really want that next Hulk Hogan and it was a failed failed experiment with Bret Hart at that point perhaps so let's bring in who could be this blonde haired blue eyed muscular dude lex Luger and then that just doesn't doesn't really hit so go back to what we know assist stick with the fucking monster is that sort of the if you had if you could peek into the mind Vince McMahon. Dan would probably be a scary place sometimes. Do you think that's sort of the rationale of how we got to hear where physical plant Hokey pokey with who are top gun who are franchise is is GonNa be yeah we didn't know and that was the question it was a feeling you know within go unanswered with lex from long before this you know back in the body stars days and all that other good shit so lex. This was the Guy Vince really really thought he wanted until until we got to deal with them all the time then he started doubting it he like flex though so just wasn't sure lexa hell of a career on potential you know her. Jj Dylan say that a million times but true true statement so Vince was realizing all this and going we're going to we're going to keep going to keep it where where we are and let's see what develops underneath you know could could be Brad again could be undertaker it. You know it it it could be lax. Maybe LEXA come out of this and it could be him on the other side. So at this point I think he was just still thinking Let's wait and see keep our options open urban. It's just fascinating to me that you know. This is the biggest wrestling company in the world. We're not exactly sure where we're headed. The answer has a theory. There's a very logical business reason not to change the title here biggest money math the company thinks has for wrestlemainia is yokozuna versus lex Pflueger but I can't draw wrestlemainia Barra with Yokozuna as the challenger the scenario that seems to make sense as for Luger to be denied the title shot because of the return Erin claws and then being forced to win the royal rumble to get a shot at wrestlemainia which would whether it was a good or bad decision will be determined by the fall around the fall business. I think that's an interesting theory. Can you speak to let's go back to August ninety three be think that's the idea at that point. Uh of Hey doesn't make sense people. Don't Wanna see Yoko Chase for the title we need baby face to chase full title and maybe that could be our wrestlemainia moment well. That's his theory and he's he's completely guessing. There is just sad I mean from our point of view it was we have we really had three guys we could go with lex bread or taker and thence was leery of taker at that that point because he was like God damn. I don't WanNa Saddle Him with the championship then you know then what do I do but taker was definitely in the conversation conversation with conversation involved those three and take her was kind of that alternate because Vince wanted to protect that attraction you you know not did WanNa soundly with the championship if you will at the time so it was ill still up in the air and this this is one of those times you know where your head. You're thinking about where you WanNa go. This was a time that we had options going into Wrestlemainia and weren't gonNA decided decided that point he wanted to see. Let's see what we do at survivor series will make a decision by the time we get to the rumble. That's what we did a fascinating the house show loop after this. We're going to see well businesses down just a little little bit and Chicago. We're going to draw just under five thousand Madison Square Garden. The next night does eleven thousand five hundred then we're off the Philadelphia and we do six thousand to be clear none of this I mean those aren't bad numbers to say the least but when we just thirteen thousand with Brett threat near Khazanah and now we're here with your resume and undertaker does feel like you can start to draw your own conclusions a little bit on November Twenty First Yokozuna Mr Fuji around on the Conan O'Brien show boy that feels like it's out of the book about ideas. What do you remember about Yoko on? Oh God it was bad. I remember that but it was meant to be bad. It was meant to be humorous. It was fucking back. I don't think Corny was available. I actually I remember it like it was yesterday and how bad it was us but I don't remember the circumstance for not getting cornet there to do the talking with Conan and so as fucking you know just going out on have food G DO DO FUJI is ugly. I let's talk about survivor series ninety three it's Lugar donners and undertaker and and they're gonNA be Ludwik. Borge Yokozuna Jacques Rougeau and crush twenty seven minutes fifty nine seconds two and a half stars not oughta great match meltzer would even say Luger pinned Jacques with a forearm in two minutes twenty eight seconds during this fall Vince McMahon made the comment at that Borge. Maybe the wrestler of the nineties God help us for the next seven years pretty funny he was not bad hardly a pay per view very memorable terrible pay per view main event. I don't think anybody could disagree but we do see the seeds planted Yokozuna undertake your and have you could be next which is going to happen of course at the ninety four royal rumble which we have covered in the archives. It's a bizarre casket match where Yokozuna keeps the title beating the undertaker to the the point where all of the heels attack the undertaker get him in the casket he's dead now and he levitated to heaven or whatever he ate dead off Taylor was then now would dad okay you see Linda Casket for fucks sake but then he likes Chuck Norris was there a highly early floating with chuck no chuck one there this time now this is when he floated to the ceiling yeah seal the Cask Yeah Yeah and his eyes are closed but he was he was resting and spirit leaves his physical body on the TV and then aw bodily motherfucker. What did it was behind? The screen just popped up February. Go listen that silly she had if you WanNa hear Bruce Defend this is the Royal Rumble Ninety for episode the Arkansas Something Russell Dot com heading into the show melrose speculating that take your mind win the title and Yoko would turn baby face. was that ever discussed just as far as you know or Meltzer said God damn. It's gotta be True Fuck. No you gotta get hot about it. God Damn he's you know and people people fucking think this fucker has credibility on February twenty and he's been wrong Eben wrong forever because interested savage and a great match crush crush would come in and interfere and that gets us the Q. An hour for wrestlemanias ten. Let's just talk over each other. The rest of the time March Twentieth Nineteen Ninety Four Madison Square Garden this is one heck of an episode yokozunas going to retain the belt over lex Luger and fourteen minutes and forty seconds it gets half star and then brand heart within Yuccas in to win the world title and what method call anticlimactic two and a quarter stars really underrated wrestlemainia. There's been rumors for years and years we should briefly address some here that lex Luger was supposed to win the title but he told a reporter her the week of or the weekend of the event that he was going to win vits found out about it changed it to finish. I know you're GonNa Shit on that so should away yes. I'm sure we knew before we got there so before any quote reporter. I don't even know where that came from from here. Save your being interviewed. Why wouldn't you say you'RE GONNA win? Fuck Yeah. I'M GONNA win so I don't know how much water that holds. I know guys did like flex so you know that was probably some shit disturbing in that realm but would lacks of done that maybe maybe probably but it had the decision had already been made so it wasn't like Oh my God. Let's do this and if lex had done that I could see events have in the chat with him. God Damn you gotta get your ship straight. You know the boys looking at you but I don't. I don't see Vince Goddamn have now you're punish pal. The decision had already been made. We were GONNA go with Brett this big moment here and is Yokozunas two hundred hundred and eighty day world title reign Yoko had been the man for about a year up to this point at this point. We should remind reminds you. He's headline two straight wrestlemanias and I think he's the first he'll to do that. so far do want to talk about another idea hypothetically when Hulk Hogan dropped the belt Yokozuna King of the ring goes out on a shield takes the finish afterward stretcher job OUGHTA here. Is it disgust that maybe they could come back with this at Wrestlemania. I know that you know a lot changed addinbetween but this is the first wrestlemania without Hulk Hogan and you're back where it all started Madison Square Garden it does feel like convince was looking for a big attraction I mean Hulk Hogan Wrestlemainia peas and carrots baby peanut butter and Jelly and especially in Madison Square Garden aspect with the guy who beat him and left him left him land. Was it ever discussed to the best of your idea definitely discussed from the standpoint of when and we did that we always have we've got the return so you gots rubber match. Always you know we always like in the back of our mind thought well. We've always got that rubber match. Would it have made sense there no question it would've made sense but by the time what was it maybe survivor series ish we knew that holster was also was out of the picture. It's so fun to go back and look at what if because of Ho came in again here's this the garden another great crowning moment for Bret Hart sorta ripped away again. I mean that show was off the air with his brother looking at him. You know from the entrance way and brand is resting with the royal title above his arms but he's sitting on the shoulders of the other baby faces in the promotion and if all Cogan there boy that's shit happening why they couldn't lift him or what well I don't mean that they're lifting him. I mean bread hearts moment once again at Wrestlemania two in a row holy cow may seventh Yokohama Japan that everybody is going to run a show about that undertake your career going to be bigalow and Yokozuna in eighteen minutes and seventeen seconds when undertaker Hans Yokozuna after a choke slam which is hard to imagine. I gotTa Tell You Quick Story. I can't wait. Give me give me the name name of the town again Yokohama Yokohama Japan the very first time that I ever was a ring announcer was in Houston Texas. I was fourteen years old. Boy Pierce announced did not show up because of a bad flooding in Houston which seems to be a godsend motherfucking theme around here think we'd learn our lesson but there was no one else to do it in and I said I was wearing a blue Hobie like surf shirt he and fourteen years old and I'm ring announcing the very first match was Toru Tanaka Against Believers. WHO's Tommy Siegler but first thing I did was asked everyone if you would please stand for the plane of our natural anthem I fucked that up and then I introduced Wayne in at two hundred and fifty POWs from Yucca Japan Tora Tanaka and you hit it right the first time in your fucking Alabama God damn that's fucked up you? What was that other words? Couldn't what's Rodney's last name wrong wrong what is it and what else what I said Okay and why Yokohama Oklahoma Oklahoma Well. Here's the deal Yokohama is a tire yeah you can get home Yokohama ties and they gotta be run flats. Yeah I know about that. I don't even know what the fuck you just said well a run flat tire like a mom my BMW or when they can't run if they're flat but can their Bahama mccan really. Can't I really run Pirelli P zero but those are back in the day. I'll introduce you to call the big timers part of cash money millionaires and they remind me that Yokohama tyres and the gotTa be run-flats so yeah. I learned how to say that from hip hop about that. Where do you Mama? Do you want to tell everybody. The only verse you know of Music Be Deposed Hoagie the ladies and Gentlemen Little Yadi and Broccoli as its burs favourite thing areound a three or four times a major. I'm here until he could really understand what it was saying and yeah for about a month or two K take out on Mama GonNa take my Momma Mama Vaca- Ama ran out the Bahamas and then some be Deposi like Hogan now it was a fifty shades of grey finish shades of gravy POSILAC hogen shades of gray beat that I had to say I should've fucking son that to fuck in online or the fucking guy that was there in Atlanta the drip in Ric flair the drip to him and impress him with my you know what's funny. Is this happen skills little Yati boys with offset. That's you're thinking about from the migos then he would have appreciated that. You actually knew hip hop song there Amigos yes. They are Amigos not like Pancho that I don't need Joe L. Via migo Cheer Man Yeah Pasha Leah Schwann Time I you know I don't know where we're supposed to go from here in the middle of the show talking about ramp. Let's do our best Homa. Let's talk about Jakko home. was there an issue with Yokozuna using the Yokozuna name and Japan Italy but I don't know just ask him. You know it's a different name. Name is it is it. Is it a problem when you use Conrad when you check into Hilton. Come on Motherfucker Taino for sumo wrestlers think Kelly like sixty dudes at that point had been Yokozuna and now he's just strutton his ass calling himself that I mean I don't know maybe you should change your name to super bowl champion. Tom Brady just try to check into a Hilton this coming week that way. Why the fuck would I wanted that manny? Maybe sure your your hormones. He starts working with earthquake on house shows and on the May sixteenth raw there is a sumo match with earthquake and Yokozuna an earthquake actually gets the win but then the heels of that starts working with Mabel one two three kid and Typhoon Boyer so question for where's the beef in that earthquake in Yokozuna Yokozuna and Mabel Arizona and typhoon and then well you went to three key talks to me. Vegetarian died hi there we'd Sweet Greens agreed screams right right right right. Okay all dog out talk to me about a sumo match on raw. An earthquake gets the win. What the fuck well? There's a natural program because Tanta was a former sumo and big believable son of a bitch and if he wanted to he could've taken Yoko probably but that was it was a natural a lot of fun to do too before we get too far. I want to circle back to Japan and they don't want to get as far away from it as we can. Do you think that anybody over there. In Japan had an issue with like your Zina's heritage not just what's the name but the idea that he's not really Japanese. He's Samoan. I don't think so I I really don't coming coming from the end at least on the sumo world. I don't think they would because there are there's Japanese Chinese Korean Samoan you a lot of Sumo's come from all over the world American so I don't. I don't think that they did I don't as a matter of fact the contrary I know that there were some that wanted Yoko to come over and do stuff with them so I don't think there was any animosity I mean there may been on some people's part. 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We talk about it seemingly every week here on the show. Whether it's Thanksgiving Easter Christmas mother's Day the the old book comes out we start flipping around looking at family pictures and then ancestry comes up and we learn a lot every time that we take your with ancestry and you we'll to and you may have learned that you are not Japanese. GO TO ANCESTRY DOT COM slash podcast today twenty percent off your ancestry. DNA KIT ANCESTRY DOT com slash podcast and you'll get twenty percents off your ancestry. DNA Kit one more time. That's ancestry dot com slash podcast to find out if you're actually Japanese and why yeah one of those. Let's keep it going here. I gotta I wonder on the heels of Wrestlemainia here as we start to march towards the June pay per view. We're going to be King of the Ring Baltimore for Maryland. You're cuisine is not in the main event. He was the tippy top guy. Almost from the moment he debuted in the company in late. Ninety Eighty two dominates all ninety three wins the royal rumble in ninety three wins the world title at Wrestlemainia. He has this big moment at summer slam somewhere he loses sure but he's in the main event keeps the belt and as we fast forward to Wrestlemainia once again he's in the main event oh by by the way guilty undertaker soon to have a lot of big accomplishments but man after wrestlemainia. It's just like awful. fucking cliff ascended ascended sorry undertaker ascended my apologies but let's let's briefly touch on what he's doing here King of the ring and this will give you a sense of we're talking about is June Nineteenth Baltimore's we said and the head shrinkers retain the WWF tag title beating Yokozuna and crush and non minutes and thirty one seconds seconds when Lex Luger's distraction cost cross to get to finish that Meltzer said Ray Charles could see coming star three core star and a half and I guess see likes working with his family here you know the head stringers and Yokozuna came in at the same time. That's probably pretty cool but it's not being the world champ. It's not the main event. It's not working on top house. He I mean. Do you have any conversations with him is he. Has He depressed about this having opinion as he thinking hey they're just you know you're going to try new. Hold somebody else. I'll be back in there for summer. Slam well believe it or not Yoka was actually pretty easy going about it and did enjoy working with his cousins work with family so it was time that he didn't have to carry the load and it was a time that he didn't have to go out work single matches every night so so kinda given his body a little bit of arrest working the tag matches and guesswork family every night so it's kind of a night off for him and give of him a much deserved rest and we're also getting ready to do something with him. Undertaker on down the line see KINDA WANNA get out of the picture a little bit while still keeping them involved be ready. When it's time for dead man come back in descend and is I mean he's making less money here as a result of not being in the main events and world champion right probably but it's saint time he'd made pretty damn good money the year before so you know it's it's all a okay you want to work less and you WANNA do less well than you are? GonNa make less money so that it may have affected but at the same time that's that's the business you not. Everybody can be on top all the time did he travel with the head shrinkers or hoover's who were his traveling travelling companions here in ninety four who travel with Fuji Fuji drove him around Fuji Asia Fuji took the position very seriously and when been stalked Fuji About Managing Yoko e- explain into that position entailed in that entailed taking care of Yoko that made driving them around making sure that he got checked into hotels okay Washington is back. You know making sure that Yoga was okay so Fuji did all of that and Fuji did it with a lot of pride because that was his meal ticket. That's made it very clear. This is your meal ticket with Yokozuna right now. So I need you to be on the road in order to keep up up and Keith Fuji on the payroll and continue on with Fuji. This was his role in Fuji. Manny didn't with a lot of pride right. He made sure that you know hair got done. He made sure that he was clean. Matt sounds crazy but he's a big man. That can't wash his back. Sometimes you can't wipe his Butt Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Ohio. What even here telling me that Mr Fridge used to watch casinos? Ask Breath Fuji will take care of make sure needed whatever he needed. If he couldn't food you would get him in the shower and take care of 'em yeah he get him. It'd get him cleaning food and I know that sounds crazy easy to people but that's the way that Fuji was brought up in food took it with great pride that you know he took care of of Yoko Yoko fell through the the toilet one time and Yoko was was embarrassed and just went way way way way the toilet exploded go to the toilet exploded in in Fuji took care of him and Fuji Literally pull them porcelain out of him in and out of him. Forget A and yes all over his legs and Shatman was a bad scene but I'm saying I'm not making fun of it. I it's all it was it was a job and it was something that Fuji You know. Young boys took care him early on you know he came from Hawaii. Hey and that's the way he was trained when he would go to Japan when he would do those tours and and saw the way they did things and food she just took it very seriously and wanted to make sure that yoga was taken care of wow since we're talking about weird out of the ring stuff Bret Hart wrote in his book that can't believe this is real Yokozuna had rats. I like an infestation. We had to collect okay but like okay no. I'm just what what what did the Yokozuna rat situation looked like I I. I can't say I've ever experienced that and saw that so. I can't answer that one for you. Once you're Chagrin Kevin Nash has said that whenever he would ride in the same car with Yokozuna Yokozuna was taller than him because he had to feed asked me. Do you remember there being particular challenges with Yokozuna with the different cars not necessarily that it was too wide but that is asked asked was so large but he became too tall to ride in the cars usually had a towncar that would suffice you had to have had to have a large car on the August fifteenth raw. They're gonNA tease another feud with Yokozuna on the undertaker. You're going to win a squash wash match against Phil Apollo and takers music hits in Yoko X. Scared mess would write about this taping. There was a screw up on your ring introduction so after he destroyed Phil Apollo Apollo had to get up and act like nothing happened while they re-taped open to the match now this is uncommon. It's happened before but curious through one of these situations where you have to sort of explain. The live crowd Hey folks look at this light men in black style. You've seen nothing or start over right now. Explain Shit you just do it Louise's do it. There's no explaining our case. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do this again. You just do it at superstars. People are like oh up there doing this again. Superstars and wrestling challenge tapings on the thirtieth and thirty first of August undertaker would beat Yoko in a casket match when you had tried to hit undertaker with a chair but then undertaker gets the chair and knock out and puts them in the casket that starts a house show loop through September. We're undertaker's meeting Yoko and casket matches pretty consistently and that gets survivor series November twenty third nineteen ninety four and San Antonio. We're GONNA get a fifteen minute casket match. This is what you're talking about. Where Chuck Norris is here and he's going to guard the OWL to make sure the heels don't get a chance to interfere and he gets a big pop and doing so undertaker gets his return earn win here in fifteen twenty four two and a half stars This is the return match from Royal Rumble that was in January. This is in November. What'd you think of this awesome? What do you remember about Chuck? Norris's involvement got R R remember all these mashes Yoko and take her just leading up to this were Yokohama's working working trunks on and Godley would fly all over the place for undertaker and they really enjoyed working with each other and had a lot of fun because they liked liked each other and they had great matches and finally getting here to survivor series in San Antone of Joe and Harry Freeman Coliseum by God it was it was just an ice and dean and we candidate the reverse where everybody put undertaker in the casket in providence here in San Antonio by God yet Chuck Norris because the only man this man enough to protect the undertaker from all these outside mills is karate man Conrad now. He Ain't no free time Black Belt Hall of Famer. Please shut God nores. He threw a fucking psychic. Mike kick wearing his century kicking jeans right into Jeff Jarrett's chess by God and back killed Jeff. We thought Jeff was dead because the Chuck Chuck was able to work a a little bit so he didn't just kill them with that crowd kick because he's fucking crowding man it was it was actually a Shitload Ifan. I enjoyed Georgia's being around Chuck Norris because we have a lot of mutual friends in the karate world and he was he was funny as Shit and a lot of fun to work with and that part of it was pretty damn cool in the match self told the Nice Story and it was good also report at the end of ninety four It's no secret curto celebrities interested in Yokozuna Hogan Nate's his revenge at some point. There's lots of rumors in the dirt sheets at this time that Ford ever raisin. WWE is interested interested. Do you remember there being any concern. He might be looking to do something else. No not really and probably more so from a not a comfort level. I think Yoka was comfortable where he was and it just was the norm man if that makes any sense but there were definitely you know definitely a lot of scuttle button people whispering shit back back and forth probably started by the Dirk sheets just to get shit start up but nothing serious at least nothing were Yoko came and said Hey I'm I I wanNA finish up or anything like that well he's off TV for a while here so that sort of adds to the speculation but then when he pops up at the television convention representing ending Titan meltzer would report put to pasture all those rumors of him retiring or going the WCW in fact he was just ordered off TV to lose weight for his own health benefit NFL before going back on the road. This is February of ninety five long before I thought you guys had Yoko when some sort of weight loss program. What do you remember about taking him off the road and ordering lose weight here and late ninety four and early ninety five well Yoku? You've got big and part of the reason for the time off was yoke ahead nagging injuries. He want to take some time off to rehab the injuries but our concern was you need to lose weight. This was is one of I think at least three times two or three times that we hid expressed Yoko that we wanted him to drop some pounds rounds so Yoko had this time off to quote do it on his own in his own pace and that he would lose way when he comes back. He's GonNa Nurse. These injuries is going to get into shape and he'll come back a lighter fitter. Yokozuna said he came back bigger a just came back bigger than when he left when he left he was huge. I know you're GONNA laugh at this but I gotta ask. Do you think perhaps and I'm just freestyle in here that Yoko Yoko was sorta depressed stabbing because he no I because he I look I remember going over to take her house one night for Barbecue Hugh and it was either after TV or pay per view or some loud guys were there and I watched Yoko e in this. It's not an exaggeration forty or fifty Turkey ass deep fry Turkey ass and then he would dip mcmanis and eat it or what what what are you saying Turkey ass Turkey ass. It's the ASS end of a Turkey which when you do when you cook your Turkey you know you see the the part where the legs stick out while the other end is the ass and shit is big flap lap of little bit of me but a lot of fat in it and skin and you would you try that up and it would get crispy on on the outside and you bite into and it's just juicy because there's a lot of fat and is probably three or four bites of of meat eat and he would just get the ass and take gone out and got it because he loved you love Turkey ass man. It's like it. It's a part of the island the a lot of it he would just eat Turkey ass with mayonnaise and I was just absolutely lutely amazes first time I've ever seen Turkey ass song understand is fond of yes or he knew Yokozuna loved her. He got it for Yoko. Okay I got it for Yoko because you knew Yoka was fond of it and Yoko man sat there and had the deep fryer and deep fries is Turkey and eat it at a couple jars mayonnaise and a couple of trump join. Anna's younger brother can eat all right well. You know I go back to I'll go back to his training for the the slam and we did a deal where Yokozunas training so it would bring out these trays of Sushi why ordered enough food defeated the entire crew in Yoko Fuji so huge so wanted to shoot it all the see see like Oh my God look at all this food he's GonNa eat while the Falker double cross me and ate it all everybody's food and he had an appetite appetite Yoko could eat. Let's talk about that. You guys did a series of been yet. I'll never forget I'll call him home video. Ah We're showing him just wearing out some food I mean to the it's way way over the top but the way you're describing it. Maybe it wasn't yeah I was called lunch was tell some other examples of you know 'cause tremendous appetite for for example apple. We went did the the stuff we did that at Fuji Steakhouse in Darien Connecticut believe Kevin Granitz was a producer on that. Maybe save somebody else. I'll probably can't shit for naming the wrong person but it was a Japanese steakhouse. We always used to go to so I ask them. Hey can we come MINHO SHUNDE SO -t's was dining for the single man or some kind of bullshit like that but Yoko just kept ordering food and they brought out I mean that was again enough p enough food for probably twelve people he's kept eating it and they didn't know any different when Fuji kept ordering more and more and more they kept bringing more and more and more and Fuji was half ribbon. Yoko tell me at eat eat it. All Yoko is fine just eating every bit of it what he ain't all that Shit for real that wasn't some you know fuck ary. Oh God no that was no he ate it it all that goes back but it goes back to when I was doing the training vignettes of him putting on weight with all the associated associate all the food and shit when he ate all of our food like Motherfucker yogurt just how many you don't get that big eighteen string beans van. He ate some food he had a healthy appetite man loved him smack unique and Korean barbecue and shit he could tear up cream barbecue like I you'd go into an all you could. He create barbecue. He'd eat all they had not a healthy the appetite talk to me about or unhealthy how you guys saw reconcile these vignettes where you're filming him just fucking gorge himself but then not too terribly long after hey y'all lose weight well first of all when we did we meant to do it as a spoof I mean we didn't mean for him to eat all that we meant to depict that he was eating all that but not for him to do it he and eat all all the shit on camera. We didn't say hey here eat all this shit he's aided. We met you know we have like a little bit. There formed eat a serving but see all the other shit and then we'd go back and shoot it all empty but he ate it all right. It wasn't a sane here eat all this shit no just what was Yoko. Tell me about travel and I know this is. We're just talking about cars. I WanNA talk about planes. How did he go fly? I mean you guys weren't private jet name everywhere. He's flying commercial but how's that possible either first Glasser Lasser to coach so he could fit in first-class he could fit in first class. Yeah it was tight in either that or he would take if it was a commuter which was really really hard for him to get on which you see he he couldn't take too often after Dr Him but he would take either two or three seats in one row but he could sit and I talk about wrestlemainia eleven goes down April the second one thousand nine hundred five Yokozunas GonNa make a surprise return here. I've been off TV for quite a while. His own hearts mystery partner they're going to be challenging the smoking in guns for the tag team titles and believe it or not Owen Hart and Yokozuna win non minutes forty two seconds and because as a tag team champion I want to get on the House Mike and Introduce his mystery partner and in doing so he said his partner did what he always wanted to do and that's beat Brent Heart for the world title and it was kind of cool to see oh and Yokozuna when he came out we didn't often see heels hug each other like this cool bit of personality for for Owen and a nice little way to sorta get himself over here in the process but an interesting way to bring back a main of inner. I mean this is the guy who headlined you'll ask to wrestlemanias and now here wrestlemainia eleven. He's not even announced on the card. He's just a surprise. is a cool moment though wins the tag titles. Let's say you is great moment and it was a way to bring Yokozuna back without bringing him back into the single fold because as we were still concerned about his weight and health so here's another opportunity to have him work in attacking match own can do to the majority of the work and Yoko can get his legs back under him and I thought they were a hell of a team because they're just completely opposite so in that regard Gar was it was great shit because you gotta see own heart going there and do all the work and have all that personality and then Yoko comes in and he's the monster her throw cornet in in the mix and it's a hell of a package on an argument. That's a cool package but it is weird. The main event of this show always see diesel retain the world title beating Shawn Michaels and lots of talk about there is diesel. Just the next monster like you know Vince is trodden with with Brett. He flirted with the idea of doing it with lex Luger. He relied on his monster Yokozuna but maybe when he sees what he's got in diesel he becomes the new apple of Vince is on or guessing Yoko home to lose some weight. We've got a new steroid-free monster and Kevin Nash Ye. We're trying a lot of different things because it was you had big shoes to fill in Hawke's absence so we were looking for whatever whatever's going to stick in there was lot going against the wall. Try New things people get the get upset when you try these shit and then they go watch Chinese shit when you stick with some as a double edged sword. Let's talk about something. I've wanted to talk about for a while here it's Bs k. and the Click for whatever reason we fans heard for a long time if there's sort sort of these two backstage groups that are more prominent there's lots of little groups that travel together and hanging out but there's two sort of factions on one side of the Click we've all I heard about them for years and years but on the other side is b. S. K. and there's been a lot of debate over the years about what this group was. who was in it when it actually stood stood for fans now that the entertainer has a BS K. Tattoo? I think now you have this right from wrong. It's Yokozuna. It's undertaker Acre Godfather is ricky. She who was fought back then Savia Vega Henry Godwin Madiun Crush Pallbearer and Mr Fuji is that the BS K. I. Gas though those guys all hung out together. We're all friends yeah and did you you ever hear what bs case stood for. There's been guesses that it's bone street crew and a lot of those same folks because they were playing dominoes. I honestly one hundred percent have no clue was people have always asked over the years the answers benefit tell you have to Kailua Willia- I was out with some was some folks one time that that saw that Tattoo said it was big Samoan killers worse so I have no idea I really truly don't and I'm friends with undertake our friends all those guys never asked they want to tell me they tell me but never asked as far as you know Yokozuna have any problems with the click I think if Yokozuna had a problem with it with with them they know it and vice versa. I mean I just Yoko had a quiet strength and nobody nobody's GonNa fuck with. Yoko 'cause Yoko fuck you up and he could if he wanted to but I don't know that they ever had any issues if they did Yoko probably take him down pretty quick. I never never heard of any. Let's go to in your house. One may fourteenth nineteen ninety-five Syracuse New York. We're going to get a rematch from WRESTLEMAINIA. The smoking guns fans are GonNa Challenge for the tag titles their unsuccessful Owen Hart near because they get the win to star match not must really cover there. There is a King of the ring qualifying match on June twelfth. Oh yokozunas GONNA beat lex Luger here in the Finnish saw Mr Fuji Steal an American flag and it's ludicrous the chase him Jim Cornet gets involved takes his obligatory bump and this allows you to come from behind and throw Luger into the post where he's counted out these guys have wrestled at Summer Slam and Wrestlemainia and now here they are on the king of the ring qualifying match and at the time they're billing Yoko at six hundred and forty one pound that can't be right can it. He was tipping the scales over six hundred and we used to have him. Am Go to a feed you you'd have to find a either like truck scale or a a feed market. Were they way livestock and things like that to weigh him Zilla way. You could weigh him so he was he was he was getting up there and we I really just getting concern because he wasn't moving like the old Yoko and the air. This is one of those that funding because you you you brought up the click and just different things when when you when you speak of Yoko I think Yoko is one of those guys you can probably attest this through people you've known in the business that was universally liked that never really had an enemy and truly one of the good guys of the business us that will shift universally you liked the guy was hard not to like him so it's you you Wanna do everything you can to help him and try and prime bring him along with his kicking and screaming or what have you but so it was a tough time during some of this shit because you you want to scream. You just wanted you to shake him. Say do get healthy. You've got a family. Let's let's do something about this. King of the ring being Salvia Vega is going to get a win over Yokozuna but can out eight minutes and twenty four seconds multiple say. It's very hard to work with Yokozuna at this point because of his size awesome physical condition after Vega Mr Spin Kick Yoko went to a lengthy nerve hold as Yoko goes to attack Vega from behind Vega Moves Yokozuna runs into the ring post and Vega gets into the ring beat the count three quarters of a star star so it's not as parent you guys at this point. It's parents meltzer and everybody else that he's really struggling with his weight. At this point and Mabel another monster garage grows on Wing Win King of the ring and starts to be known as King Mabel it feels like yet another monster but Vinson GonNa try whereas the monster from a ear prior was all about their casino now smcgaels turn another super heavyweight. We're GONNA continue not to see Yoko and I wouldn't work as a tag team and we'll get to in your house to now July Twenty Third Nineteen Ninety five Oh and Yokozuna here going to retain the tag titles title speeding lex Luger and Davey boy Smith that's probably something of an upset because Lugar and Davey boy seem like they're the bigger stars of the two but Yoko Ono and pick up the win and they retained two and a half stars. It's weird though that you know you're on one side Lexus on the other. I mean not too terribly terribly long before this these guys are in the main event for the world title as Summer Slam and and most people think they will be wrestlemainia but here they're just somewhere in the middle will for the tag titles on raw. Oh and Yokozuna would lose Vega and Ramon when Ramon Pinned Hart and they're announced as the new champions the decision is rescinded the mashes restarted because I wasn't wasn't legal man and after they go off the air the in the match and the building with Yoko and Owen simply walking walking out to be counted out and the next week on raw they announced they're going to restart the match and we're GonNa see Yoko leg drop and pinned Vega and Oh Yoko granola didn't even Russell at the summer slam ninety five pay per view which I guess is kind of interesting and we know that Lugar's GonNa wind up leaving to jump to WCW Lisa W and join Nitro bulldogs GonNa turn heel and that feels like there's a bit of a change in the air talk to me about Yoko Oh and Owen not even being on summer slam ninety five yeah I just think it was no place forum and if you didn't have which is even why we went to to later on with the Damn Diesel Sean stuff there there wasn't we didn't really have a strong tag team aimed vision. There wasn't anybody when you look at it. Okay how the fuck you get the titles off of Harden Yoko. That's easy Meat Owen goal but I think that it was just a lot of confusion and there just wasn't really a a premium spot for them. Talk a little bit about what we're doing on the heels of this on September seventeenth in Toronto guns are going to get a win over Yokozuna and of all people King Kong Bundy. Oh man what kind of fucking thank team has had a big one. Yeah no kidding yeah I should it's a fucking big one somewhere around this era sometime in September they started airing ESPN commercials for Sportscenter Arts Center and these commercials have Mr Fuji Shawn Michaels diesel undertake your pallbearer Yokozuna and King Kong Bundy the doing promos here with the idea that they're they're trying to bribe sportscenter for more pro wrestling coverage in ESPN is sorta dismissing like they've never cover something like pro wrestling. It feels a little dismissive but I mean at this point ninety five. You guys are probably just looking for whatever sort of mainstream crossover you can get. We know years later you guys are going to have a much different relationship ship of ESPN. What are you remember about the series of vignettes well? It was great exposure so it was something in I believe crazy as a sounds I believe it was. USA Network that actually Kinda push us that way ESPN ESPN later later on being affiliated needed with ABC but ESPN and Bristol Connecticut just down the street from the office knew a lot of different people but this this was great exposure and nobody looked at it as being dismissive. Nobody looked at it as other picking all pro wrestling it was our guys all over ESPN. twenty four seven for however long this damn came pain last and people still talk about this yet to to this day so it was tremendous exposure. It was a huge coup in your house. Three is next September twenty fourth nineteen ninety five we got diesel and Shawn Michaels and they're going to be Owen and Yokozuna. We just recently talked about this. They're going to reverse it soon after but we should mention that Dave mentions Yoku wait here and is right up. He says Yukos gained so much way. He's gotTa be you're pushing seven hundred pounds legit. That's fucking unbelievable. on October ninth would see Owen Yokozuna and and the bulldog team up in the six man on raw to take on diesel Shawn Michaels and the undertaker Yoko is going to deliver a leg drop and then bulldogs is going to Penn diesel after Power Slam in your house from October of ninety-five is Winnipeg. IT GETS NEGATIVE TO STARS I. I can't believe this is a real match. We'll talk about it someday. Yoko and King Mabel Mabel said to have weighed five hundred reneged pounds legitimately for this match and Yoko has got to be near seven hundred meltzer says horrible mass with a horrible finish and a strong candidate did it for worst mass of the year negative to stars. This feels like the Gal wrestling himself usually when you got a big monster like this the best mash is going to be when there's smaller el-agha what's the rationale here Mabel Tokyo two monsters collide and what are they gonNa do with each other and unfortunately they didn't do a whole lot each other. It's GonNa say not much yeah sounds good on paper. The reality of it is that fucking bell rings sometimes sometimes the screws everything up. I WANNA ask here in a way the snot dismissive but was part of the reason that you pair with Yoko so as long as you did because you knew oh and can make up for whatever deficiencies Yoko has now like Oh and Owen is a wrestler and a half so one hundred percent okay yeah you had went in there to to be able to take the bombs make the match exciting get in the ring and sell all you have yoga to come in there and get a little bit of heat and get out and when it's time to go over Yoka comes in does the big move on the finish and that's g expect backed but Owen was workhorse it was a it was really a handicap match. The next night on raw after this Mabel match Ramon is going to beat Oh and by the Hugh title match and you're going to interfere and that brings one-two-three kid out to make the Save Yoko destroys him and then Ahmed Johnson comes in in to make the save and body slam joker sooner you know way more about this than me. It was more like a hip toss on Yoko but yeah do you think Yuccas. The heaviest wrestler body slammed at that point and that every half fhu got could've been the heaviest ever i. I don't know how big billion and Benny Maguire were they. They were pretty big too but I don't think they ever took what about happy. Humphrey learned about ham from Jim Ross I. I don't think I don't think Humphrey Humphreys from here Houston. I don't think he ever took any bumps well. After this we so you get a few more title matches against as long how shows but of course diesel wins those why don't we never see diesel and Yoko on pay per view or raw or anything like that what had happened but only on Hashem well because again you didn't have didn't have the Yokozuna that we had from years prior and the limitations with his weight eight and being able to move the way that he could in a singles match. You weren't GonNa get that anymore. He didn't have talk about survivor. Series Ninety five landover Maryland Wildcard match. We've talked about this before not the best idea Shawn Michaels Ahmed Johnson Davey boy and said that's all right good guys and bad guys taking on Yokozuna Owen Hart Dean Douglas and Razor Ramon Twenty seven minutes and twenty four seconds three and a half stars probably probably a good idea on paper not the best execution of a match just sorta there after this year is going to go back teaming with Oh winter take on the smoking guns in the House shows does have a match with the undertaker and the royal rumble is going to go down in nineteen ninety six in Fresno of course in that rumble match but this is the first time he's been in that sense. He wanted ninety-three interesting to me because he wasn't in ninety. Four or ninety five is gonNA come in at number nine eliminate Bob backend again King King Mabel Squat team member number two and then he's going to be eliminated at the same time with Vader by Shawn Michaels and yoke vader then fight each other to the floor or and plant seeds for Yokozuna invader which I guess would be Yokozunas baby-faced turn the next night we do see that face turn is teaming with Davey. Oh boy they lose by count out the diesel and Shawn Michaels and Cornell is furious at him for losing and fires him and then afterwards day boy and Owen Attack Yoko but Yoko beats them both up so this is interesting because he's always been he'll and now he's a baby face for the first time and now that he's face out of nowhere having having never spoken start speaking English Bruce what the fuck who book this Shit Fox said he didn't know English well the entire. Tom And he didn't speak English and now he is. He chose not to speak okay CAIN. All of a sudden went from not speaking ah to be in the fucking mayor Knox County Dreams Come True Pal Yoka wished upon a star and he got his vocal chords seriously. That's what you understand now. After he cut a promo why he didn't speak all those years all right in your house house raids as February ninety six Yoko gets a win over Davy buoyed by Q. Jim Cornell has Yoko with his racket and it's announced on TV that this is going to be Yokoo versus vader but that's quickly changed to a six man match. We've got Yoko Jake Roberts and Ahmed Johnson taking on Oh invader in British bulldog and if your team went wins he'll get five minutes with Jim Cornet. I would ask the changes made but it feels like it's May just because we didn't having for everybody so let's find a way to get everybody on the card exactly well who's not booked. Goddamn put them with their now. Okay that'll work straight next next on March eleventh we see Yokozuna and undertaker team up for the very first time after years of feuding they're going to team up on March. Eleventh Nineteen Ninety six the beat Owen and bulldog by the Hue of course the Wrestlemainia six-man we mentioned happens that goes twelve minutes and fifty one seconds the bad guys win Vader Owen in Davey boy two and a half stars is the rating and at the next set of tapings vader is going to beat Yokozuna becoming down on his knee and and we got lots of questions about this when they do this. This is the night after Wrestlemania vader trying to push his a monster comes down your who's a a and they care Yoko out on a forklift talk to me about this lots of fans have have jumped on speculated that since they were upset with his weight Vince did this to impair shukers soon on encourage him to lose weight well to all those people that ask that question. I would ask them this question back how the fuck else would get him out if you ever have you ever seen how how they get people of his size out into ambulances they bring cranes in for them. They bring huge a quick end to lift them up and put them in hospitals and transport them or they'll. They'll have these specially made read vehicles for them. How else would you have got him out of there? We put on a forklift to show how big he was and and just show his mass yes we definitely did and when we asked because we went to the you know you ask professionals. What would you do in this situation and they said well if you had access to a crane or if you had access to a forklift or something like that we got a forklift left? This is welcome you try and put him on something a lot of times you just take a board and put aboard down and you would put him on on it and you would secure the side. You'd get them on there. You would carefully lift off in the forklift or restraint. That's how you do it not tair. Somebody was to show that that's what you would do and it was a spectacle. Yoko returns to the company on May Twelfth in Kuwait wait. He's wrestling in the Kuwaiti Cup tournament. He loses to Owen of course we know Ahmed Johnson Win then championship well. He wins the the Kuwaiti Cup up such a big moment upon his return he started talking the Chalupa fader horse. He's losing most of the matches meltzer would say Yokozuna returned having having lost by on his own account thirty three pounds his size. That's really hard to notice he suffered some sort of calf bruise immediately upon returning but he's able to work quit and after the pay per view he's supposed to go back to the Duke Weight Loss Clinic for another four weeks so talk to me about how you guys have this sort of intervention and say got to lose weight. You're not doing it on your own. We've asked you to do it. We're going to have to send you to do to get this shit under control. well as usual Dave's wrong Yoko still hadn't gone to duke yet and he had he had gone out there he had visited with those people and decided you know look everything they're gonNA do. I can can do on my own so this is either the second or third time whatever it is lost count but now with with Yoko coming back in and he just for his own health. This is like Rodney I can't I can't push out so yes you can go. Yes you can do this. You can do some things but for your own good you need to go and get yourself in shape and in you've got to drop some weight so again we we'd send them out to meet with people that do in then latte failed and young shit thirty three pounds yoku could lose that waterway in a day in a couple hours frankly taking a shit he was huge. He was just fucking huge. She he was just is way too big so yeah was another who was another effort to say Rodney. You can't do it on your own. You're not doing it on your own. You have you have to check in you have to commit and you're going to be away from your family for a long time. L. Threes six months whatever it takes and then after that you know you've got to go here and you've got to learn and a new behavior because otherwise you're going to die and you know he I kept saying all the right things but unfortunately he just never followed through. I sucks taxman in your hospital. Where a dog? We've talked about this in the archives. Something wrestled dot com is actually two shows because of the power outage May Twenty Six may twenty eighth Yokozuna wrestles vader on both of these shows he wins the first time in three minutes with a Banzai drop but he loses the rematch to evader bomb a meltzer would report Yokozunas book to the end of this month but then we'll be giving a lot of time off at the end of the month thing and his weight problems under control the did an interview to start the storyline of him being gone gone after losing Owen Hart on raw where he was despondent and said he wasn't himself anymore and he's out for most of July here and I'm curious when he sent home or not home to do whatever when it's given Tom off to lose weight house he paid during that Tom Tom I don't I really don't know I think Vince took care of him and made sure he had something coming in as if he was booked on live events but I don't know exactly I was but I pretty sure he was a master would say a play was made to bring the entire Samoan clan in with off as has the leader with Yokozuna Fatu man got wind of it and before Scott Hall Kevin Nash made themselves into bigger stars and turn W W around with their jump man Dan Quayle this one and offered Yuccas in Fatou major pushes a singles baby faces they were given the roles but neither got over in a role and the big pushes never materialized. That's fascinating to me. Do you remember hearing that somehow there was a big to try to land a bunch of the Samoans on the WCW side of things. I mean other than Yoko at the time. I don't know who else they would've ever wanted but even then Yoko was a shell of himself I could see them going after after Yoko for hope to get that win but one big monster match and then y yeah yeah then what and that was but I could definitely see pitching that big time. I know that you know this has a soft spot for those guys. At big soft spot for Yoko had have saw spot for Makishi and that was during the time that you know he he definitely did want to do something with them. Yoko all suffer with Yoko was that caveat though that Rodney gotta do something man you gotTa do something in Yoko would always promise that he was and bring them back and see him. You know you book him. You get them in there. This God damn it you know we he's not. He's not doing anything that was sad that that was that was a tough pill to swallow. Let's talk a little bit about what's next here and this has always been fast. I make this is my one of my first. This paper views back. It's the WWF Fan Summer Slam Ninety six and the Oakland is not an actual card but he's on the free for all which aired before the pay per view was the entire. I shoot a pleasure last minute order and I'll never forget they had a bikini beach blast offer something so they've got like Marlena and sable and Tog pettingill and sunny and Oh and heart not own heart but Jerry lawler and there's a baby ruth floating around this this pool in the sand and so they're trying to get you to order the show they wanna give you some matches and the math Aguirre's Yokozuna and Steve Austin they go one minute and fifty two seconds so when Yoko goes up the bonds are the ropes break he falls into the Ring Steve Austin Hooks them for the pin and the reverse camera angle shows. If you're looking for or you can see Yoko trying to pull the turnbuckle apart so the ropes were collapsed so it was it was gimmick. It got a dud rating but you know who cares what Meltsa thought about this. This was entertaining to me. This was fun and we got tons of questions from fans. Who believe this actually happened that you know this was not the plan finish and the Yokozunas wait collapse the ring legitimately? It's an interesting story on an interesting storyline the do when you've got to perform what you're trying to convince to lose weight who came up with it would you think about it and why wasn't it on real pay per view. I'm a little disappointed. We can't go watch it right now. Unless it's on some random youtube that'll get deleted as soon as we plug it because you had to have something good for the free for all we want people to tune into that as they answer the first one but the idea came up because it actually happened it really happened in our live event and the those real ropes in the way that the ropes are done as they bring the rope around around and the wide spot where they tape everything up and they connect the ropes and then you tighten it up with the turnbuckle well at one point. Yoko it hit the Dan. Thanks so hard that when he hit any grabbed the rope came back and pulled it off the rope had broke so shit that's a hell all the spot his unintentional as it was when it happened for real we incorporated it in into the show incorporated into the into the matches. The kind of unique way to get us is over and just do something different than it had been done. The next night on raw yokozuna out of nowhere is once again man is by Jim Cornet. I guess turning heel again. He's GonNa Challenge Shawn Michaels for the World Title Course Michael's wins this last long and there's no explanation given for but what's the plan after he's been Minna baby face and now he's very quickly all of a sudden with no explanation. He'll manager Jim Cornell. Is it just I guess you could is not really important at that point. It's it's about Jim. Cornet versus Shawn Michaels evader couldn't do it last night tonight by God Yokozuna will TV match yeah and it was it was for rating between It's quick with Sean GonNa do with this monster. We should mention on the South African tour that Brad Hart worked against Steve Austin it was the last thing on his contract agreed to do before signing a new contract and ninety six Jacobi Hunter soundly twice and lost Austin twice. We don't actually see Yoko again on TV. Until the survivor series pay per view and that is November seventeenth nineteen ninety-six once again at Madison Square Garden Interesting Lana appear on one side. We've got Faruk Fake Razor Ramon fake diesel invader going to a double disqualification with flash faulk the former two cold Scorpio a surprise with Jimmy superfly Snuka Yokozuna and Savia Vegas look it's fifty three here in the hall of fame The prior night the match not the best in the world one-star Meltzer's GonNa speculate here Yokozuna who looked away around seven hundred twenty pounds could barely walk without blowing up yeah last batch for Yokozuna in the WF Wfan we won't see him on TV. After this. What are your member about? Yoko a survivor series and why was this the end well it should would have been the end before that it's just an example another example of in the day Vince kind of heaven even that blind faith and and you know wanting to continually help wanted to back out they'll come around they'll do they'll be all right and and then when that you know in front of you you're feeling it just takes last step sometimes so this was it it was that God damn it man he can't he they can't get the ring again. This is not our watch and it should've been done before. That has the conversation go. We want to save your life. We want you. We want you to have a life. We WanNA WE WANNA see you get healthy southie so get healthy. Drop this way and we will help you. I mean we'll do whatever we have to do to get you where you need to be whether it's you know we talked about the ban thing but that was even still pretty pretty damn knew at that point that was almost I won't say his experimental but it was expensive and nobody was really sold on it yet. Latte banned you know he talked about get liposuction like what the fuck you know. That's not gonNA help you you you have to you have to get into some kind of shape and then at some point even let let's say that he goes out doesn't on his own with all that skin you you know he's going to have to have some major surgeries anyway but in order to come out of those better you got to lose the weight and get into some Kinda shape on your own. I write for any of that shit to work so it was a heart to heart conversation saying Rodney Rodney. We WanNA help you. We WanNa get you in shape and we wanna fix you but you have you. You know we've been down this road. You have to be willing to do whatever it takes to get it done. It's a shame that that's what it took. meltzer would report in February everywhere NONOC seven Yoko said to lost three hundred and ten pounds which I assume would have to come from some source surgery a few weeks later he would say Yokozuna has a had liposuction yet but he's already lost more than two hundred pounds through an amazing loss of fluid retention which amounted to an immediate hundred pound drop rob. They're hopeful afterlife Oh that he can return at a manageable way in the fall in May he would report Yokozuna has been contacted about coming back but with all the injuries and he's on the blood thinning medication if he were to suffer an accidental cut the blood clot and it could be really disastrous no word on whether or not he'll get clearance to return this is happening in nineteen ninety seven you guys are paying him hoping loses weight and it's just not looking good. The entire year hasn't unfortunately yeah no and it's you're seeing him deteriorate more than anything anything and being on the road probably wasn't helping although to him he would tell you know I need to be on the road not sitting at home and not have anything to do our countered. That was you're right. You don't need to be sitting at home. You need to be in a hospital. Where are you are exercising every day? Your meal portions are done by nutritionist and you are going to the school learning how to change your habits so we agree with you. You shouldn't be at home but you need to be in in a hospital getting some help. Here's an interesting August tenth of Ninety Seven W. W. O. which is the world wrestling organization organization has an event and Yokozunas on it and he's in a six man on one side? It's Conan mill mass graves and massacre Mascarenas Sagrada taking on Yokozuna Nicos Oona and the evil clown which is matt borne the original drink and that's his first match since survivor adversaries ninety six of course Yoko side is not victorious because we all know mill massacres no Yup meltzer reports a week later are but Yokozuna still under contract but they wanted to get down to four hundred pounds and it just isn't happening it also say the recent heart scare but his heart recovered because because he had changed his medication in around the September October ninety seven era is when we just recently touched on this Yokozuna move to Stamford Ford and you said You'd never heard that he moved to Stanford so Stanford melts would say in October Yokozunas down a five hundred pounds announce and is scheduled to start back on the road in November the preliminary plans for him to be he'll and he may work a program with Mater. We know that didn't happen. Was it discussed I or are you gonNA rant about this big bullshit news bullshit because he had to get it get his weight down. He had to be able to get into some kind of shape. He wasn't there air somehow some way Yoko films they Coca Cola Commercial I. I can't imagine that all right that happened. at the beginning of November Yokozuna. It's written in the Observer. Yokozuna won't be returning after all your scheduled to start back this past shucks he was wrong but underwent tests is to get a license in New York and failed physical did obesity in an irregular heartbeat he said still way in excess of six hundred pounds and because of the commission's honor other commissioned suspensions in the US is licenses bulls in New York which means he's unable to wrestle in twenty two twenty two states that are still regulating pro wrestling and coming on the heels Pilsen situation is doubtful even if that wasn't the case that they react would wanna risk someone being in the ring with any kind of heart problem of course we're talking about filming woman because he passed away the month before in October of ninety seven but you're going to pop up in May of ninety eight and southern California is going to do an Indie shot taming with Jess Hansen take a Honky tonk man and Cincinnati Red and eventually he is formally released when anything that would have happened sometime in ninety eight yeah along that time because it was I think Vince was more hopeful than anything that Yoko would would and the yokels family would would get him to commit and going to the hospital and get help so that you know it's just being hopeful on that. I think we all were I think we all want Yo could to just do what you need to do. You and get better man drops a fucking weight so it took a while but then it came time to the the reality is he's not going to do it and if you continue to coddle him say okay you still got a job but we're not gonNA use as you till just had to cut ties and maybe that would make a difference yeah that would that would be the thing. This is. Oh Shit now we gotta to do something. I can't believe this is real but meltzer reported in October of ninety eight Yokozuna was asked to do a run in in the Scott Hall Kevin Nash Match at Halloween in Havoc in Las Vegas where he would attack Kevin Nash. Apparently he was offered ten thousand dollars just to do the Ronnie on but turned it down saying he was too busy. Scott Hall called Him Emma saying since you're living in Vegas now and you have you've been training on a wrestling school out here when you get your ass down here to the building and pick up does easy money but he didn't do it and he wouldn't come and of course that would have been his last major appearance like that at Halloween Havoc Abic Ninety eight. I you know you weren't there. You're not necessarily add if you're into freestyle against you think it's he just didn't want people to see him at that time yeah. I don't know 'CAUSE I. I gotTa tell you in talking to him. So many times he was in denial and how give me an example he was in denial that he thought he didn't need help. He thought y'all eat salad. Honest got answer among Rodney. You're not gonNA just SAL news. That's not healthy you so you have to change so I don't know what he was hearing on the other side. I don't know if he maybe he just couldn't move and felt that for it. You know they said run in. He's thinking I can't run right. You know I'll go to Pallbearer era wrestlemainia twenty Paul could walk up the steps. Paul was so big so you're Rodney may have been at that point that he just knew that he could move in rather than go down there and embarrassed himself. He just didn't do anything well. He's GonNa work several indie dates. in New Jersey and Maryland meltzer would say he said to still be gigantic. He's told people people he was never offered the spots do the run in a several in. WCW insists it was the case and Scott Hall said he was the one trying to call him up and offer them the easy detain Grand Meltzer continue it probably makes the most sense of joke goes in still has designs on getting back into the CF and working WCW wouldn't and put him in good steed with the WWF and they've said he could get down to the four hundred pound range he'd have he'd be figured in but he's nowhere close to that today. He showed up in December of ninety eight as in Palmdale California on Indie show and he weighed over six hundred pounds mounds. You're supposed to do a run in the Banzai drop but his back was in such bad shape. He couldn't do the bonds us. We just did a few clotheslines. Did you have have any sort of contact or keep in touch with him at all in nineteen ninety nine. That's you remember nothing. I really remember. I remember you know always Siafa. Ask Gafa how he's doing or junior you d always asked about him but I didn't have any personal contact now his last appearance on pay per view unfortunately as the heroes of wrestling pay per view which went down in Mississippi October Tenth Nineteen Eighteen ninety-nine on one side. It's Jim nine heart and King Bundy on the other. It's Jake Roberts Yokozuna sixteen minutes and and thirty four seconds yeah not good. That's a disaster over pay per view in a showing and probably not the way anybody wants to remember Yokozuna either yeah I and I actually saw that and I I'll all all say it now to whoever promoted that you should be ashamed of yourself on every count Malibu's horrible yeah the Jake Roberts Shenanigans alone or bad within a CFO noggin shape is just not good mouth right Yokozunas been telling people he starts after Wrestlemainia in a feud with Steve Austin was put this in perspective. He's saying this is going to happen. In the year. Two thousand MELTZER says he's banned in all states where commissions regular wrestling which is at this point between nineteen and twenty four states including New York and they have revoked his license Sir failing a physical to irregularities and obesity and the dirtiest hands are tied so the huge without a huge weight loss. This isn't isn't happening on October twenty third two thousand we would lose him. Rodney pass away from a pulmonary pulmonary or pulmonary Dima easy for me to say in his room in the Moat House Hotel in Liverpool while he was on an independent wrestling tour of Europe. It was five hundred eighty pounds at the time of his death and unfortunately while you were doing our European tour last year we actually I heard about in passing away over there and how difficult that was just just terrible to hear especially look. There's no there's no good time no good place but it'd be that far away from your family as well. Just I sucks. What's the reaction from you in Vinson the office as co workers when you hear well we were frayed of this but it finally happened without Rodney disappointment sadness you know you you always think that that you could have done more? You always think that God if I just got through to them that one time or if if only and that's frustrating because you I think a lot of times do we wanNA play God. We WanNA think that we can fix everything and and it's just not so so when you realize that your mortal than those that you love immortal as well it's a sobering and just it just sucks. It does suck doc Rodney like backstage. You know you you said he had this quiet strength. We saw him as a mostly silent monster oh he oh for most of his WWF career but we know we had a bunch of friends and he said he was universally liked is real personality like it's just a a fun loving guy and he was quiet but he was also a smart ass and just a a really good good likable human beings so it was a lot of fun to be around him. I did love to go eat with him just because of the amount of food the but but he always got me to try something different so if you know gummy try Turkey. Ask got me to to eat the the Ross. Stay with the raw egg in it the the Korean dish which I love to this day it's just he was he enjoyed life. He really did and Dan was a blast to be around he really was he would brighten up any room that he was in. You know any good Yuccas in a ribs. It's Fuji Jesse's put shitless hair he would his hair but his air up like real ship now. No just like different shit you gotta appreciate. Raslan has a lot of shoot chip chip shoot shoot shit and I didn't put shoot shitty. He likes Yoko but he would fuck with Yoko so so yeah wipers on Aso he'd ask it's the Scott River and the rivers GonNa come in and fuck with him but the river took care of him and loved him so he did take care of like it was his own son. What do you say you gotta get ripped every once in a while? I'm not asking us to be funny and I know sometimes. I asked us to be a Dick. But what do you think was Yokozunas Best Asmat Oof. got a lot of great ones between I would. Let's do it this way because I can't pick out one match up pick out his his two best opponents undertaker and Brett yeah I agree. Those are two best opponents. Do you have a favorite memory memory of Yokozuna the character not necessarily you know the real guy we've talked by him but when I exactly and it's picture in my head we talked about a little bit tonight when after undertaker hit laughed when we were doing the shit where we would hit the gone in your reactions and his just facials were priceless but we would do like for a long time we just do the one Gong and so did the one gone aww looks and all this shit nece- spooked and everything so it's one night we do the one gong. We're GONNA do a second Gong in on the second dog. Yoko took a bump and it was just one of the funniest unintentionally comical things I I remember him. Doing it was just absolutely classic but he would get that shit over and it was it was just that he would he sold that I am looking around big wide eyes and sound like he's terrified. He gets his fucking wits about him again like okay. I'm good he's not here and he starts to go through the Road Second Gong and Yoko fucking reacts like Oh my God He's here it took okay huge bump and it was just it was beautiful. It was just pure art and only he could have pulled that off. What do you think his legacy and professional wrestling is going to be one of the best damn big man big man ever in the business and by that I mean a big super heavyweight like that? Nobody could move the way that he could move at that size. Eventually the weight got the better of him but boy for longtime that you couldn't touch it some bitch which let's jump to some questions. We asked you guys on twitter. If you had a question about Yokozuna and this this show has been in the works for so long that you gotta wait it up and and stored up a bunch of really good questions for US bruce owner do these rapid fire. Are you ready. Okay Doug Watson. I know big show at some point had his own bus. Did Yoko have his own bus know Yoko that was before buses so let me ask you this. I knew the answer was no bus. Do you think his career could have been extended. Had he had a bus. No I asking that because I know sometimes if you're in a car and you're just hitting drive the wind up beaten fucking Wendy's midnight but if you had a bus could've had food prepared Jordan maintained the wait a little easier you think he could have done that on the road to okay. I don't know I just think that his demons as far as that went probably too much Nelson wants no Yokozuna Andre the giant both guys on their prom who would win holy shit well. You'd have to put Andrei over eventually but that would have been I. I think that Andre would love Yoko well. They met right. Didn't they do a sound somewhere once. We'll yeah but what I mean is I think that he would have loved loved working prime two prime. I think they would loved each other. Ken wants the now had Yuccas in passed away been able to lose a good amount of weight. Do you think you would have had a chance to team up with Kishi. And what do you think you would have called the team Yokozunas real question you know when we say ricky she you know under that ricky she gimmick he's wearing a similar piece of gear to Yokozuna accepted without the underneath tight right so it feels like that could have been what McMahon wanted all along and at this point Yoko sitting at home their family sometimes you know it's it's hard hard to manage business and personal and family and juggle all that was very animosity with ricky she and Yoko Yoko is home home and Eric Issues on TV wearing similar garb. I don't think so but that was part of the condition for ricky she to do the gimmick was you gotta show that ass misses I in that was used Yoko Z. example when I talked to ricky she and Memphis TV listen Vince in the Sumo Gimmick. You'RE GONNA show that ass and that was something Yoko go ahead a problem with but he feels for you to do it. It's got to be done all the way I love that you just said show that ask and you say show that class as as Vince McMahon. Let's see if we can turn them in a rap song one day I wanna see those cheeks. Ah Choking on my own spit while you're so excited about the asser salivating yes salivate. Hey let me ask is is salivating excess saliva like a side effect of Blue Shoe has asked you before we went on the air this week. I said Hey Bruce would you stop and we'll tell everybody about Baluchi is and how they can get a ship discreetly to their door for free if they want to find out what you know very well uh simply dot com use the Promo Code Russell gotTa do it's not hard but you can get a hard penis. Although you're GONNA say it's not hard but it could be it will L. B. I like it and we're so confident. 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Love Spencer wants to know where would would you rank Yoko as part of the Samoan Dynasty as far as an in ring talent not five. I was waiting on that. Eric wants to know if you go ahead return during the attitude era. Why would there have been? I character change absolutely not I think that Yoko in in that character that that was Coco Wayne wants to the established stars at the Tom Brett undertaker savage etc respect and accept him as champion when he first won the title. Oh absolutely I mean what's not to respect it was a great worker and second generation yeah they had a legacy in the business. Gregg Watson disbursed failed attack team of Yoga when I went underrated. I don't think people give it enough credit over the years I think so it's easily forgettable but it was a tremendous tag team and I thought we did some good shit with them. James Watson does Yokozuna they get credit for killing Hulkamania in nineteen ninety-three and the whole came back to his victory at ninety three has to be the end of Hulkamania. You know what I agree James James I do too. I hope so well yeah. Let's let's just we're fucking making it happen here. On something. Wrestle Yokozuna killed Hulkamania. Let's get okay there. We go spires wants any backstage fights or bar fights about Yokozuna okay. You probably put him up this. Yes Yokozuna put me to sleep in a bar one night with the front face lock. We gotta hear the whole story I've been fucking with him all night those fucking with him all night and fucking with them all night and it had jack and coke. I brought her bone. I didn't know that story yeah. The you got whooped his ass off course. Did he drop you. I'm not asking us to be funny. You drop you on your face. Did you hurt your face as no no no no no no no no no. He fucking late me down. He took good care of me and stayed with me until I came came to and then it was like hey just cool it. Out On. fucking shit laughed off. Okay put you out. I thought it was funny. Shit James Watson out having food as a manager. Were there any crazy rib stories involving both of them. I think what James Means is that Fuji Recruit Yoko okay get in on any of the ribs on other people. I'm sure he did I don't I don't know of any off the top of my head but I'm sure that from time to time food you probably would you like to use others rich wants to know. Do you like your Yoko clean-shaven or do you like your Yoko. Harry clean-shaven baby smooth is babies but Devin Brown was the now how did the K- say Banzai drop in the leg drop so he has in my opinion the most devastating I think the most fun looking like drop is probably probably Sean Waldman's because he hit with such a snap but if you really think about devastating leg drops like that whole cogan one and he's a favorite wrestler as a Kid Khameini Shit compared to Yokozuna leg drop. How did he master that? was anybody nervous about. Did he ever accidentally fuck somebody up with a leg drop. He was light as a feather. Just that good but you did talk about the Banzai drop where sometimes if he wasn't in a good mood or if you didn't like you and there's been some clips on on social media where where it looks like he absolutely destroyed them. fuckers with the Banzai drop slot cush there professor Simon wants to know is it sure Yoko was really good on the basketball court. I've heard he could murder the three foreigners I duNno. Oh now can't say play basketball with him. Andrew wants to know was bruce on the international trip when Yoko slam stone cold so hard that Steve Shit himself. I guess not I do remember the story of Steve Shitting himself. Nick wants to know was there ever anyone who refused to work with Yoko. No people wanted to work with Yoko. Stewart Ostlund is a great question. How much time did he actually spend working out compared to the other wrestlers about that match? Sorry say that again about that much. Why this long ago anybody Yokozuna hated working with? I you know not anybody that I know of. I don't think he was crazy about working with vader. that's the only one that really comes to mind great question for Michael here or the plans for Yokozuna had his weight not become Ma factor what you've been considered for another title Ryan if his health had allowed him to return so I guess we should circle back Wrestlemania ten going into Wrestlemainia. LINNEA ten was vince already up has asked about the weight yes and no but wrestlemania ten Vince was ready for a change anyway but I do think that had you know we got around. Let's say Wrestlemainia Twelve Yoko and Sean faulk may all day long. I think that that would've been tremendous. Atlanta wants to know who would Yoko work well with now on the current roster in a dream match so prime Yoko versus somebody on raw smackdown or in x t now Roman would be incredible Jesus Christ Daniel Bryan. Oh and I know you sit there and say what else they they would have torn the house down. No Daniel Bryan can have Daniel bronze locate the best restaurant world as Ross the now or the Geisha girls that used for Yokozuna members on the roster order to get them each week why we got them at Geishas r the US. I was hoping you were going to say that Ryan says recently Conrad asked Jr grilling are the most protective finish in wrestling Kennedy argued that the bonds I drop as the most protected finisher in history of WB. I don't recall anyone ever kicking out of it I. I don't know I mean probably it's. It's one of 'em last one Matthew Austin out Yoko ever participate in food eating contests tests with any of the other boys not necessarily a contest I don't think anybody would want. I think that as far as people that I've seen devour food I'm told that the Roman reigns can devour some cram barbecue unlike any human the face of the Earth but Andre and Yoko would probably be the two biggest eaters. I've ever seen personally well. We personally appreciate you being here to join us on this revisit of the one and only Yokozuna. We're going to be back here with you next week. We've already the next several shows planned out. We're going to run them through but I will tell you what's on tap. Next is no mercy two thousand four and went down October third two thousand four four so next Thursday will be the fifteen year anniversary on top it's JBL and the undertaker in a last ride match for the WB title title we've also got a mixed tag match that was kind of rare at the time Charlie Hall Smith's Jackie and Rico taken on Dawn Marie and the Dudley Boyz will also see a the final donald and the best of five series with John Cena and booker t for the US title. We'll have a singles match with big show and Kurt Angle will have the tag team titles on the line with Suzuki and debris defending against Stereo and Rob Van dam. That's a fun team who also got Billy Kidman and Paul London and singles Action Spike Dudley taken on Nunzio any guerrero wrestling luther reigns. It's an interesting time in two thousand four and we'll revisit it next week right here on something wrestle. If you WanNa know what else is on tap got task coming your way no mercy nineteen ninety nine. We're going to do something different. We're going to do a watch along for the pay per view we talked about earlier today from WCW w side of things Halloween havoc ninety eight with the horrid ultimate warrior Hulk Hogan Rematch Wrestlemainia six. We'll do fabulous moolah. We've got the wrestling classic from eighty five that predates bruce being with the company. We're going to watch a long style so it should be fine and they will round out November with with some fun survivor series revisits. We'll do ninety nine then. We'll do eighty nine then we'll do ninety four th November is going to be lots of fine as we sort of visit all those big milestones through the years we appreciate your support hope you'll follow us on social media and Pritchard show as where you can find us on instagram or twitter you can also check. That's out on facebook at facebook dot com forward slash something to wrestle. 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