17 Burst results for "Fred Coke"
"fred coke" Discussed on Champagne Sharks
"But like if unfairly maligned being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year right like one or two papers that are like pages long and to universities influence welfare policy for the biggest the largest economy in the world. then yeah. call me unfairly maligned. That's yeah it's not that bad we live. yeah. I'm crying all the way to the bank d- The stuff with the coke brothers. I mean they've had a long history of stuff and you go into it pretty well in the article like the amount of stuff that they've been involved in and your article printed out about thirteen pages and i think you probably want to capture the fraction of the bad things he did and i think even pointed out that it's more a matter of trying to figure out what to omit than what to include. But if you don't mind going into like why the cook brothers are so bad you know. And and why it's not a minor thing to drama softball interview total. Yeah i mean so. I think that father's name was fred. Fred coke senior made his money by stealing designed from a competitor and then selling oil production to stalin and the nazis and in this incredible fact he helped germany produce build these massive oil refineries and then he also helped make the planes that america usa bombed as refineries during the war zone on both sides of that. And you know you shouldn't be held responsible for the sins of other. But it's kind of funny that like his background and he talks about his father lovingly In the interview with tim ferriss but yeah like the business. They're in is extremely dirty. I think the biggest impact of the cook brothers business is just on the environment. They're one of three companies. That's in the top ten. I think in terms of emissions in both of carbon emissions air emissions and water missions and the other companies that are in that top ten are over twice the size. I think it's like berkshire hathaway. And maybe exxon mobil. I might be getting mixed but they are extremely dirty businesses. It'd be in there. They do a lot of oil production and refining. But i think the coke brothers are more team is for their politics and they've been just incredibly successful at financing a right wing kind of a. It's called astroturf movement to push for small government They were like a big part of financing the tea party. They would put together these conferences. That convinced judges rule. More conservatively helped finance the law and economics movement And this has all been very successful right like they have like so many republican politicians in their honor these giant conferences where they got a bunch of other wealthy frankly white men to go put their money towards getting republicans elected and then ruling in favor of their corporate interests and they helped push for the tax cuts that.
"fred coke" Discussed on The Interchange
"This is the interchange conversations on the future of energy from green tech media. I'm stephen lacey. I'm a contributing editor at g._t._m. I'm in boston welcome to the show. She alcon away this week. I can remember the first first time i heard about the coke brothers it. Maybe it wasn't the first time but it was. I think the first time it stuck in my mind. I was actually very late to the party in thinking about the coke folks it was the spring of twenty eleven and just gone to write for climate progress lee fong a reporter for the parent publication think progress had just dropped his video a few months earlier on youtube of him interviewing david koch on the street outside the capitol building in d._c. It wasn't a formal interview. It was just him seeing coke on the street three after this inauguration for congressional candidates and he pinned him down and started peppering him with questions doing expecting new congress well shut the hell out of spending and balance the budget and reduce regulations enough enough support business coke is you're standing there kind of polite smiling at first almost smug and then he starts looking erc that these young guys with a video camera. They won't stop talking to him. He keeps fiddling with cell phone putting it up and putting it down. He's looking away standing between him and lee fong. Is this guy named. Tim phillips president of americans kinds per prosperity who keeps trying to shut down the interviews. Come on we've done the interview up very focused so much on the the science of climate change league. We're not doing it or us doing it or do. You were not the way that denies because of five of the league we're not doing. We're not this is not doing this. I think it's a regular glenn c._o. Two excessively is going to put up <hes> really damage the economy but you believe in climate change yourself. Li li li li the doc. David of the climate change is here. I climbing fluctuate dosa hot coal. We have ice ages. Whichever liner the league in retrospect these short videos don't reveal all that much but at the time they were a pretty big deal. It was one of the only times that david coke had talked to someone outside of a very controlled interview and i remember thinking. Why is everyone so obsessed with these guys. It was around this time. The coax started getting villain is in this very cartoonish way and it was so outlandish. I just couldn't quite grasp how influential they were. Compared pared to the image that people were projecting in the year sense though so much good journalism has been devoted to understanding how the coke brothers charles and david created the most influential fluential political machine in history and it started decades before i or most of the public had ever heard of these guys it's become clear that without their money and devotion to climate denial starting all the way back in the nineteen nineties we would be in a much different place today. When it comes to climate policy a few days ago david coke passed away and it suddenly suddenly got everyone talking about the cokes again and it got me thinking about them to not just their role in politics but about this company coke industries it's one of the most influential energy energy and industrial firms in the world but not many people have heard of it the way the cokes have run. Their company tells us a lot about their approach to conservative politics so this week. I've got an interview with a journalist who spent the last six years covering coke industries. His name is christopher leonard in a few weeks back he released a new book is massive new book. It's called coke land. The secret history of coke industries in corporate power in america now that david charles coke are back in the zeitgeist i wanted to he used this opportunity to talk with christopher about their influence christopher leonard welcome to the show. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me coke land. Is this this seven hundred page book on the coke machine and the influence of corporate power on politics. It took you if i understand correctly six years to write and research so many people have written about the cokes over the years. What were you trying to do differently with this book while the one thing i wanted to do do that i didn't feel has been done at all was to explore this corporate empire the private corporation that made charles and david koch so rich in the first place i mean david and charles coke when you combine their fortune which i think is the appropriate thing to do because their fortune is based on the value of this company they are richer than bill gates or warren buffett and that really raises a question of how did they get so rich. How did they amass. One of the largest private fortunes in the united states but even beyond that what what drew me to write about. This corporation is as a business reporter. I realized this was such an important story. I mean you can explore the entire american in political and economic system by telling the story of this one corporation just because it's so diversified i mean this is an institution that includes blue collar manufacturing workers and labor unions it includes high flying financiers who are trading derivatives it includes private equity dealmakers who are buying other companies and in a you know crucially it includes one of the largest corporate lobbying shops and political influence operations in the united states so taken together. You can really use the story of this company to explore the history of american capitalism over the last fifty years so you you point this out that coke industries is bigger than facebook <hes> u._s. Steel and goldman sachs combined so americans know of the big industrial giants in history general electric nick ford dupont why have so few people heard of coke industries. Okay this is by design and it's very intentional and it really traces back to the root of what this company isn't what it does so first of all coke industries specializes in the kinds of businesses that underpin in modern civilization i mean this is the kind of stuff you couldn't boycott if you wanted to coke industries sells the fuel people use to drive to work it sells the building materials. The office building is made out of from the insulated wall panels to the windows to the carpet. It makes materials in our clothing like nile nylon and spandex stuff in baby. Diapers burs an exercise clothes. It makes nitrogen fertilizer. Which is one of those products that nobody thinks they buy but it's literally the bedrock of our modern food system mm-hmm so coke is quietly involved in all of these vitally important businesses that everybody uses every day but that never has coaxed brand name name on it if you will and what i discovered in reporting on this company is that from the very beginning secrecy has been baked in to coax corporate strategy and there are a lot of reasons for that but i think the basic reason is that at heart even those involved in all of these businesses coke is what i would describe as a trading company they've been trading energy supplies fertilizer-fuel and the the way to really succeed at that business is to outsmart your competitors to know more about what's going on in the world than anybody else and when you're operating in that environment you don't want other people people to know what you know and you don't want other people to know what you're about to do so this is a corporation that has been private and has prized used secrecy since the very beginning and how did they grow. <hes> was it mostly through acquisition. I mean what were some of their big moves moves that allow them to grow so fast <hes> under charles and david under mostly charles of if i'm correct you're you're absolutely correct and it might be helpful apple to to start from the beginning a little bit because you know this is a privately held firm. That's intentional and it's owned by the coke family. The company was started headed by fred coke really in the nineteen thirties fred coke died of a heart attack in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven and his thirty two year old son charles took over the company company and basically split ownership with david but charles coke has been c._e._o. Of this institution since one thousand nine hundred sixty seven he's been and c._e._o. Since lyndon johnson was president. I don't know of any other corporation. That's had a single leader for that long. So what you see is an institution inc that really reflects the strategy of one person and that's charles coke and to understand his business philosophy helps us understand how they got so big and i and it is through acquisition but a very particular type from the very beginning charles coke has fought very hard hard to keep this company privately held and the reason for that is that you know the the the c._e._o. And the board is not answerable to wall street shareholders so coke industries doesn't have to think about their profits and revenue on a quarterly basis. They're not obsessed and worried about what's going to happen in the next three months or three months after that. This is a company whose lose leadership can think on a horizon of two five or ten years out out and this has allowed them to be remarkably nimble and i would say the playbook for coke is that they plow their profits back into the firm firm. They don't pay out huge rich dividends so they have a lot of money on hand to make moves and they can make moves when publicly traded companies companies are not willing to do so okay. Cokes strategy is to buy companies that are distressed. You buy on the downside if you will you buy when when the economics of the business don't look great and then you hold onto that asset whether that asset is a bunch of nitrogen fertilizer plants or a giant publicly. Luckily traded firm like georgia pacific. Coke industries keeps itself in a position to buy these companies and hold them for the long term and i think a lot oughta this traces back to the firm that co two to the concept that coke has been in energy markets from the beginning so this is a company. That's very accustomed to volatility ability. They know that when there's downcycle there's going to be an upcycle later so they've gotten so big through long term strategic thinking about plowing allowing the prophets back into the company and having the nimble in the ability to buy assets and other companies when the markets are down one of the things things that has always puzzled me about coke industries is how different it is from many other similar companies when faced with this environmental transition this environmental pressure so you look at any other company three m johnson controls general electric siemens this exxon even some of the oil majors. They're all investing pretty heavily in or at least paying lip service to clean technologies and they're saying okay. Here's how we can restructure our businesses. We can do what we've always done but we can make it cleaner again. Invest in renewable energy. We can try to make our products better because because they actually you know the people who are leading these companies believe in it or at least believe in it enough because there's enough pressure on them that they needed start talking about it. Publicly coke industries mysteries is so different and i think it's kind of rare in that respect a can you just talk about why they made the businesses decisions decisions they did and ultimately how that influences their political work in the way they see the world as a great question and okay the first of all we have to consider the momentum and the inertia how this institution had its beginning when charles coke coke took over the company in nineteen sixty seven coke industries was deeply enmeshed and deeply embedded in the fossil fuel energy system <hes> at the time coke industries was the largest crude oil gathering company in the united states. What that means is coke was the company that would show up to an oil well pick up the oil and take get to market and it was the largest company like that in the in the united states. Secondly coke was one of the largest global energy traders in the world buying and selling super supertankers of oil trading futures contracts and things like that and finally coke was deep in the refining business. One of the first moves charles coke made was to buy a massive oil refinery in minneapolis which is a really remarkable story in itself. It's been a stunningly only profitable refinery for decades. So what you see is that the company didn't start from neutral. The company started with a deep investment in the fossil fuel system system and the coke method if you will the coke theory is that you build on what you know when you branch out into new businesses you don't just arbitrarily go into different segments of the economy you go into industries where you can leverage your expertise where you really know what you're doing and when you know the business better than any of your competitors so what that means over time is that coke has naturally gravitated to fossil fuel based businesses the energy energy sector. I mean whether that's you know. Operating natural gas pipeline networks a natural gas refineries. <hes> coke is huge today. Hey in in the crude oil supplies that have been unearthed in texas from the fracking revolution that is a major business for coke now so what all all this points to is a company that in two thousand and nineteen is deeply invested in the fossil fuels business and it's sort of hard to overstate the economic inertia of that decision and i mean i i what i feel like you're going at with this question is is this issue of you know why not just diversify into renewable energies and why has coke expended so much political capital on the issue of global warming and not putting in a price on carbon emissions and i think the reason is think about the investment in fossil fuels and what that really looks like i mean coke has billions of dollars sunk into the little the literal physical infrastructure of the of the fossil fuels business to massive oil refineries in the united states. It's massive pipeline networks a global trading system of energy supplies. If the fossil fuels business starts to decline klein if we limit greenhouse gas emissions and we stoke renewable energy sources like wind and solar <hes> think about the depreciation of those assets over twenty thirty years about the declining revenue with the lack of oil processing that would happen. I estimated and based on talking with people inside the coke network losses from that transition could be measured in the trillions of dollars over thirty forty years. There's and incidentally this is a company that thinks on a thirty year horizon so you know while it is true. That coke is adaptable. Coke makes lots lots of acquisitions. You can't ignore the economic reality that it has its roots in the fossil fuel industry. There's a story read that you tell about reporting this book that i think encapsulates that approach you were talking to <hes> a former coke employees and and you asked him what got him up in the morning and he said one simple thing carbon. When did he mean by that. Well you know this individual was a senior former senior. Lobbyists lobbyists to coke industries and this was a few years ago and i really wanted to understand cokes political influence operation because you know as i said at the beginning i really wanted to kind of paint a portrait of corporate power in america in our political in the economic system works and you know corporate influence policies just a huge part of that story so i've been spending years interviewing coke lobbyists and political operatives and i wanted to know how they do their the job at how they do what they do why they do it better than other people and so i did pose the question <hes> to this guy what got you up. What was your front burner issue issue and when he said carbon what he means is the very large public policy fight over what i would call just simply putting a price on carbon. One of the key things about this business is that the carbon emissions free <hes>. I interviewed another guy who was a conservative republican congressman who described it as being able to go to the trash dump and dump all of your refuse for free without paying a price. This is bob inglis. That indeed is bob inglis. <hes> a fascinating and important story about what happens when republicans wake up to the reality of climate change of short answer is coke helped dr bob inglis out of office but what bob english saw was that you know this is a classic <hes> externally issue of markets when you can pollute for free. It helps your business so you know starting in nineteen ninety. There's been a public policy debate in this country about putting a price on those carbon emissions and coke industries has been extremely aggressive in making sure politically that no price is put on carbon and no limit is put on carbon emissions because doing so would dramatically change the economics of the fossil fuels business. I don't wanna be naive here. Because many of the biggest fossil fuel companies have played a very strong role <hes> over the last few decades doc aids and sowing doubt about climate change but at the same time a lot of these companies particularly in recent years the biggest oil majors for example the biggest industrial the giants have said yeah well. We do support a price on carbon. If he brings predictability for business we think we can support these clean energy technologies and we can also start to you know we can. We can continue to serve our legacy business while reducing emissions and try to build other businesses and the cokes what makes them what makes them so unique. Is this day said absolutely not this. This is the way the world needs to be in. It seems to go back to their special brand of libertarian politics and the fact this company itself self is so tied to charles and david koch particularly charles coke and their special brand of politics so can you just unpack that a little bit for me what what about their politics and their way of seeing the world makes them unique when some other companies are starting to make this transition and who are in the same areas of business coke industries has truly been unique has truly been unique in it's utterly uncompromising position shen on this issue and you're exactly right that it traces back to charles coke and let's talk about that vision that you just referenced. You know charles this coq. I've i interviewed him about this. In two thousand fifteen he released a book about his view of the world called good profit and you know charles coke. I described him as an engineer. I think that's the most important thing to maybe understand about his mindset. This is a guy who got multiple engineering graduate degrees from m._i._t. Mitee and ever since he was young charles coke has been steeped in political theory. His dad fred was one of the co founders of the john birch society <hes> literally a secret society that believes the federal government was sort of a front group for communist <hes> tyranny and oppression so charles coke was really steeped in i think conservative -servative thinking and far right thinking from a young age but charles coke augmented that belief system with the teachings of these austrian economists ludwig von mises and friedrich hayek and ultimately the view you come to is that in in charles cokes mind the not only the superior way but truly the only effective way to organize humane society is as a voluntary market exchange system that that means everything is private. Everything is determined by price. There's no social security. There's no medicare. There aren't public roads. All of this is done by corporations all of this. This is done by the private market and in his view. That's the only way to do it because if you start intervening in markets you distort prices you create create distortions. Essentially taxes and government programs only create more problems than they solve and the reason i bring up the engineering. Is that this this view is unmovable. I mean charles coke sees it as like a blueprint for society and you can't argue argue with a blueprint if you tried to cut corners <hes> and change the laws of physics on a blueprint that building is going to collapse so since at least the nineteen seventies charles coke has been patiently trying to reshape america's american society to reflect view and i mean he's very clear about it in his in ah in the his correspondents in his letters in the speeches he gives to the think tanks that he has <hes> himself founded and created that he wants american society to be more of a libertarian utopia and i think that's why you don't see this sort of retreat. That may be exxon. Mobil is publicly talking about that. They will accept a carbon tax or they will accept something like that. At route you're getting down to an ideological fight <hes> in terms of the coke network and they are not gonna back town. I mean the prologue of the book is called the fighter and a kind of walks through charles cokes fifty year career and what you see is that this guy has a spine line of steel and he does not back down on what he considers to be key principles. We are going to take a quick pause here from a somewhat dark our conversation to talk about a very uplifting trend and company happening in the utility space that trend is all about utilities using analytics to engage their customers more and embrace the energy transition and it's being fostered by up light a utility software and analytics leader that you once knew as tendrils and simple energy energy. That's right these companies have come together some of the most influential companies in the energy efficiency and customer engagement space tendrils simple energy merged and they acquired i fuel energy savvy and eimi and they became up plight and they now offer an end to end product utility customer engagement that transcends. He's he's silos. 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Into learn more about up light services so the book centers on charles coke obviously a lot lot of people are talking about david koch as well because he just passed away last week. I'm wondering what his role is. In this establishment of the libertarian philosophy guide the company in its political activities who is david coke in relationship to charles cook well so there were four coke brothers charles david bill and freddie freddie and bill have nothing to do with the company and they haven't since the nineteen eighties. There was a bitter fight between the brothers for control that i don't think we necessarily need to get into into and at the end of the day. David and charles ended up owning eighty percent of coke industries but david coke has been described grabbed to me as a as a silent partner when it comes to the business charles coke stayed in wichita ran this company <hes> <hes> really with an iron hand he developed a strategy he developed the operational tactics and david koch was a full throated endorser verster and partner who you know green lighted charles cokes activity but didn't run the machine. David coke moved out to new york. He lived a very public look life. He gave a lot of money to philanthropy. Put his name on museum wings and cancer research centers charles coke never did things like that and and and when it came to the political network i think it's very fair to say the charles coke set the vision charles coke developed. The strategy and david koch was there as a full partner who who went along with it <hes> but but wasn't necessarily the driving force. I i mean david coke through his acquiescence and you know threw his support allowed the the money to flow from the coke fortune <hes> david coke would give speeches at at these americans for prosperity events which is sort of his grassroots group that coke formed so david koch was a full partner and more of a public public face in in fact it was david koch who ran as the vice presidential nominee for the libertarian party back in nineteen eighty but interestingly it was charles cocoa in background was sort of writing letters to the head of the libertarian party and controlling the money flow and doing that kind of back room operation so david cooke has been more four of the public face of this political and economic machine but charles coke has been the the sort of strategic driver behind it. All you know i familiarize myself itself with the cokes very late in the game by journalistic standards it wasn't until a couple years into the obama administration when they became a household household name and it became apparent how much they were spending to counter the obama agenda and responding on climate change in particular <hes> i was is business journalist and in science journals focus on climate and in clean energy and so they've been doing this for a long time though i mean americans for prosperity have been founded. Did i think in two thousand four many years before and <hes> they there's a revelation in your book that charles and david koch had actually been funding in supporting climate scepticism climate denial all the way back in the early nineteen nineties and a lot of people were surprised by that revelation because <hes> they knew that they had been funding <hes> anti climate change groups the small cadre of <hes> you know fringe conspiracy theorists and climate skeptics optics for you know a decade a couple decades but to go all the way back to nineteen ninety-one was kind of surprised to folks talk about how they got involved in climate skepticism and deniel gal and it's how far it stretches back well yes and if i could please rewind the clock. Even further in nineteen seventy four <hes> <unk> as charles coke was just emerging as the c._e._o. Of coke industries he founded a think tank in texas called the institute for humane studies and he gave davis speech to this think tank in nineteen seventy four in which he laid out a political vision that was breathtakingly radical and i hate. I hate the word radical article because it's just so charge but i mean let's put it this way. Nineteen seventy four in this speech charles coca saying that republicans in c._e._o.'s are basically socialists okay they've bought into this idea that that government should intervene and markets and business leaders have sacrificed their own principles by i agree into stuff like the public highways and things like that okay and he says we need to execute a patient project to reshape shape american society and it's going to have these different components we are going to fund the raw material of ideas by creating think tanks like the cato institute and by funding university research centers like the mercatus center at george mason. We're gonna start lobbying in washington winton d._c. And use corporate lobbyists. We're going to use litigation. He laid out a plan to reshape american society and that's how that's how you saw the creation of this multi-facetted political influence machine and so let's fast forward up to the year you're nineteen ninety. <hes> which is when we see some of the first evidence that coke is casting doubt on the science of climate change by this time cokes machine is <hes> fully operational. It's starting to get more money and it's well integrated and i think the most important parts of it are the corporate put lobbying shop in dc. It's one of the biggest america right now. It's about a block from the white house. Then you've got this network of campaign donors charles coke has put together that can that that can put more money into a campaign cycle than a political party during some cycles and then finally you've got this boots on the ground activists network of americans for prosperity verity can really activate real people to knock on doors to come protest in washington d._c. And as i've stated one of the key targets targets of this political machine has been the issue of climate change and in one thousand nine hundred ninety there was a real threat to the fossil fuels business in in the sense that george h w bush and other republicans were very clear that wow the science behind climate change is terrifying. This is a huge problem and if i could please state here the science behind climate change is not complicated. The confusion comes in in predicting these exact consequences you know when is when do we reach a tipping point. How many how many parts per million of carbon is the tipping point and scientists are very cautious and full of caveats when they talk about this stuff so they use words like uncertainty and in nineteen ninety one the cato cato institute. One of these think tanks cokes created held a conference talking about the uncertainty and doubt around climate science. It's and they helped push the republican party back off the plate and to politicize this issue l. Let's fast forward another twenty years two thousand ten. <hes> you know coke a we talked about bob inglis earlier i mean this is a conservative republican. From south carolina who's alarmed by the science of climate change and coke helped organize tea party rallies in english his district to who <hes> protest him they stopped giving him money and they gave money to a primary opponent named trey goudy. They put him out of office. Coke burned down the moderate wing of the republican party that wanted to do something about climate change and the and they've been patiently early working on this project for decades well. There's an interesting addition to that story and i think speaks to the power of the cokes. Bob inglis eventually went to go start. This group called republic e. n. and they're a small group of conservatives who are trying to raise awareness about climate change and they've been trying to rally the <hes> the small climate caucus in congress and they've been at this for years and they're doing some really good work in espousing conservative climate solutions but they just they can't really get that many republicans to talk about this issue <hes> it's hard to create a safe space for them partly because of a lot of the money that the folks have put into campaigns to try to silence folks in and essentially politically threatened them if they talk about climate change well i mean i do and you're exactly right. I mean this is maybe one of the biggest impact and one of the biggest legacies that david and charles coke will leave leave behind. Is that how they have reshaped the republican party you know recently john cornyn a senior senator from texas sort of dismissively the tweeted that you know the hottest summer on record but hey it's summer summers are warm. It's this kind of dismissive attitude that the that the cokes have engendered that if you even acknowledge the reality of climate change your crossing a line and you're breaking orthodoxy and bob inglis is a guy away from travelers rest south carolina. I would describe him. These are my words as conservative who who believes in gods and god religion capitalism and markets and he has been trying to steadily promote this idea that markets have a role to play ah in solving the climate change problem and stoking the new energy sources that are going to be the foundation of our system <hes> in thirty years or so <hes> coke has in in in english view. They continue to hound him. <hes> englisg list attended a debate <hes> at hosted by the libertarian reason foundation that coke funds and you know there were anti english placards and buttons that have been imprinted and put it in the seats and you know that stuff doesn't happen without money and it just seems like this network is continuing to hound the skies even even after he retired from congress. I have over the years ben to a number of these climate denial events <hes> they're put on by the heartland an institute <hes> in a group that's affiliated with the cato institute and some of these other libertarian groups and they're not serious events. They just are not <hes>. It's it's a pretty fringe group there. It's a very <hes> insulated group of folks who have been at this for decades now. They're communication. Efforts are not very good good if you read their work. It's fairly shoddy. <hes> it's just not a very well organized group without a lot of external money and and i'm wondering how do you take an unserious group of folks like that and turn them into a serious political machine that can influence almost almost all of the republican party is it because charles and david are particularly good at what they do or is it just because they have a lot of money well well. I i look my honest answer. Is it's a confluence of the two first of all an ample supply of money. He helps elevate voices. That would not be taken seriously otherwise you know it's kind of ironic you hear a lot of this idea about crony capitalism and how destructive it is for the government intervene in markets but the coke network has intervened in the market of ideas in a way that has created a bubble or artificially inflated the impact of voices that are not serious as you say <hes> and not rigorous so money helps money plays a role money can rent the ballroom at the hotel can fly people in to hold a conference in that really matters but there is another very very very important element of strategy and expertise that has made this effective and you know. I'm not gonna say that. The coke network invented wanted this playbook per. Se you know big tobacco for decades has been very adept and very smart at <hes> influencing the public debate without leaving leaving a lot of fingerprints but i think coke industries has taken that strategy to a true true science. <hes> let me let me please give you an example and first of paul as we said earlier coke industries involved in commodities trading and very opaque dark markets where the strategy is to to execute trades without letting anybody else know what you're up to. I interviewed traders for years to kind of learn how they do this and it is striking to me how similar the political influence operation is to to have an impact to have an effect without leaving a fingerprint. I'll give you one example. During two thousand ten congress was debating cap and trade while i remember that moment and folks who are following this issue at the time of remember commercial commercial with newt gingrich on a couch with nancy pelosi talking about supporting a climate bill and a lot of republicans were behind this idea of cap and trade at that time that's right and as coke's folks own political operatives told me the key was back the republicans off make it clear to republicans that this is not supportable supportable and that they cannot support this option so to do that coke leveraged its expertise to make it appear that there was you know broad public opposition to this bill even when there wasn't so so this is why at the time coke industries secretly funded think-tank study by a group called the american council for capital capital formation are a._c._c. f- coke secretly funded a study by a._c._c. app that found that if the cap and trade bill was imposed the american can economy would be absolutely devastated and you know experts at the time said wow a lotta. The assumptions in this report are pretty extreme and this is a super a big outlier but what coke was able to do with this report was to amplify its message through the network or the constellation of think tanks and political groups oops that coke had started that also didn't carry cokes name like the institute for energy research or the american energy alliance and that a._t. Group by the away was headed by a former coke lobbyist. So these think tanks took the study that didn't have cokes name on it created political ads based on the nightmarish marriage statistics from that study and then ran those ads in the home districts of key legislators like lindsey graham to make it politically impossible awesome to support a cap and trade bill by saying that it was going to destroy the energy system reduce americans to poverty essentially and so you can see the way the coke makes its own ideas appear that they have far more support than they really have if the cokes didn't decide decide to take on this issue of climate change so early on would things be different today so it's very difficult to talk about hypothetical <hes> climate change. There's never been an easy issue. I'm sure you read that book by nathaniel rich losing earth absolutely yeah you know i mean he's talking about a lot of these early. Debates is not like this thing was going gonna be a no brainer and it might be a little too glib to say that we would have put a price on carbon by now. Were it not for the coke network <hes> i it is absolutely fair to say that they've played an unparalleled role in delaying action and even derailing action on this front and and <hes> it's delayed the effort for sure and you know it's hard to say categorically. We'd have a cap and trade system or price on carbon now but they they have definitely played a role in making sure that we have with that. We do not at this point. We know the coax these cartoon villains. Is there any widely held perception. Shen of the coakes or the coke network or coke industries that you think is wrong. We'll there sure is an am really glad you brought that up you. You know i i i'm i'm i'm very critical of of the coq actions in politics but a big part of the reason and i wrote this book was to try to d. Cartoon is the coke brothers if you will here's one of the surprising things okay you see the picture of david and charles coke on on protest signs and when i went into this i pictured these kind of billionaires who are just sitting on top of a of oil refining system that was belching pollution into skied and they're just sort of quietly collecting their billions but you know this organization coke industries is is truly impressive of and i would say even admirable in many ways charles coke.
"fred coke" Discussed on The Young Turks
"Them. I've always said they were they were very smart and <hes> it was a great return on investment. I mean a politician is the the best thing you could buy in america and one more thing i look these are in my opinion terrible people that influence country and disastrous way of but he's dead now and our politics have coarsened and so you don't need to do anything other than point out his record and things are ugly as it is right now so i. I actually am upset when they die. I wanted to see them see bernie sanders or elizabeth warren become president. I wanted to see the pain in their face. I wanted them to see the progressive. Take over this country because we're going to do it so it's a shame that david kogas passed away but i i don't believe in once someone dies. They become sane. No david coke and his family have done irreparable damage to this country by the way one other thing. You should know about the family you know how they got their original fortune before they started ripping off native americans and literally stealing oil their dad fred coke worked with breath jusif stalin in the soviet union and helped stalin crush people and made the family fortune that way. David koch even joked around about hey. How do we get rich. We old fashioned american way. We worked hard. We did all the right things and then our dad died and left us hundreds of millions of dollars okay and that hundreds and millions of dollars came from stalin his dad apparently felt bad about that and then decided that he was going to go super right-wing in america and try to crush progressives over here. I i just want to mention one other thing to <hes> to mention that the growth that fortunate supposedly they're combined fortunate to most known coke's one hundred ten billion billion dollars giving like trump says that he's a billionaire but like the gap between them and trump is like the gap between trump and us basically that's how wealthy so you can be. The judge david coke has all these homes and everything he has a yacht that he keeps in the mediterranean any leaves there and when he doesn't use it he rents set in a week. It's five hundred thousand dollars like just mind numbing wealthy because i mean there's so many parts of that story. I have a yacht that i can't really access. How many times do you go right and then. I have one hundred ten billion dollars but i still rent my stuff stuff. I mean if we want to do an airbnb on your mansions and who has how many people are in there are there in the world. They can rent a yacht for a week for five hundred thousand dollars us answer to many trillionaires a policy failure. That's the whole idea on. That's just what i was thinking more random fact he survived the plane in crashes l._a._x. Back in nineteen ninety one that killed thirty four people okay howard hughes crazy. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young turks. If you wanna get the whole show oh and more exclusive content while supporting independent media become a member of dot com slash join today in the meantime enjoy this free thing in.
"fred coke" Discussed on 710 WOR
"Just joining us terrible story Kip's bay condominium elevator came down to the lobby and guy he was about to get out and then the elevator fell and he got crushed between the elevator and the wall he is trying to the elevator sort of fell a bit and then you try to crawl out but then it went right down and crush only thirty year old kid young guy life ahead of them killed in this bizarre elevator deaf also free catcher total freak accident and you know you can sadly you can see that was caught on camera is not good now it's tough to look tough to watch I got a tape also in the big three well this pizza parlor there in Brooklyn that was closed for a not pain it's taxes it's open again seeing go get your five dollars slice of pizza never thought that we would spend so much time on a pizza parlor in Brooklyn but it seems that grip the imagination of the city and your five dollar cost well I think five dollars is a bit pricey it's because of these are exclusive ingredients as as a secret recipe it's all flown in from Italy I don't know what the story is here what who helped this guy out now to get this deal I'm sure I had the money because of his god what don't close down in the first place if they could have made a deal in the you know with he was paying a little bit up front now and now he's on some kind of payment plan why did that happen before good question did the Blasio pull some strings to get somebody say Hey well god help this guy and the Bastille double as you want to help the government that said you got to pay your taxes something must have happened because why did this guy make the deal before he shut down there was the best publicity ever gonna say maybe he was really clever maybe he thought Hey if I don't pay the taxes and they shut me down new Yorkers will be in an uproar and they'll have the pressure will be on the US state to make a deal with me to pay the taxes because people subset of my pieces of that but it's gone on for so many years that I I can't imagine he's been thinking about for the past three years not to pay my taxes I don't know something happened last minute here well we'll get to the bottom of it one day also in the big three we've got Alice Stockton row senior cracker Jack reporter here W. O. R. she's out in the hotel motel or flea bag place where the chef from chip Brianna his body was found this is a house of prostitution I'm led to believe nice neighborhood to center too I'm sure yeah yeah we'll check in with her on just a minute we have some breaking news now this morning you know David coke right Joe David coke conservative is well yeah lance ripa's he and his brother Charles Copeland multi billionaires and there the guy who have found it a lot of the right wing think tanks and have promoted right wing politicians David coke is dead is dead at age seventy nine at about shock there I saw nothing I mean he he had prostate cancer he did I still not too long ago and event in the city he looked alright to me now they have a brother David and Charles coke guy named Fred coke is the brother you don't hear very much about he lives here in New York City so Fred coke he was a friend of a friend of mine my friend's not dead sadly right coke was notoriously cheap he collected a lot of money yeah he collected has had a beautiful Fifth Avenue apartment and it had this fancy house down in North Carolina and he had a Shelley somewhere I think was very wealthy people are cheap I know so my friend went to stay with Fred coke at his huge estate in South Carolina North Carolina where it was and it came down for the weekend and he made a call this is before cell phones he made a call longer from a long distance call back to New York and as he was leaving Fred co came out and said Jacques you owe me a two dollars and seventy five really it's like two dollars shock you owe me a two dollars and seventy five cents for that call you made from that that's how you get a billion dollars that's right yeah although these guys I don't think they aren't that's a big company at the coke brothers coke industries it does all those kind of fossil fuel things that that drive liberals creek you see what they have only invested in oil yes that I do know that you have and are heavily invested in oil that's right all right W. O. ours Alice Stockton Rossini she's out there at the queen's at this motel where they found the body of the chef from chipper downy Alice I so is this a Raleigh and chateau kind of a place it's actually not a bad neighborhood at all and that's what's kind of weird is it's just kind of looks like a regular house and then there's just this little sign everybody seen the site but what's new today I yeah is I'm watching investigators from homeland security HFI on their jacket but I I just thought that was interesting a lot of times homeland security works with dot yeah my TV and movies I H. and R. narcotics investigation and there's been a couple recently around the city so there on the scene now running back and forth and they're on their phones and they're looking very busy and most of the people I talk to either didn't know what was going on at the laser didn't want to say that they knew what was going on at that place and Mr access he called himself with one of them quite.
"fred coke" Discussed on The Tim Ferriss Show
"Had this technical ability so he said he'd he he wanted to go somewhere where there was more opportunity so that it went to rice and then m._i._t. And then ended up with his own business and is the dutch pronunciation. Oh yeah thanks. I got off the subject yes so so my grandfather pronounced announced it hard for english speakers well particularly west texan said doesn't exactly fit their pronunciation so so they pronounced calls like a crow caw fred cau- that's the way it's pronounced there. My father hated that pronunciation and one time he was travelling on business and he was paged as fred coke and he said <hes>. I like that so that's how we got her name. So you see it has this elegant l. again. History that's amazing from royalty uh from from the bartering with chickens and having people address him as cau- it is so much that he took the last name from an announcement. That's incredible <hes> well charles. I suppose much like the charles that we've mentioned who gave your your father. Those opportunities early on i'm really excited to see what stand together does and what opportunities they provide to people who could benefit from them and and hopefully like you said to scale solutions that can capture the imagination of the nation <hes>..
"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"With our super producer Dylan Fagin are hitting the road to find the stories behind all the things we like to eat and drink. We will be talking to the culinary creators and eaters of the world to get to the bottom of why we like what we like. And how we can find more of those things on our first trip. We went to Asheville North Carolina a city that pulled itself out of a seventy year, economic depression with beer and food. Neil episodes will be coming out Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts. Hello friends. I'm Robert Evans in this is once again behind the bastards, the shore, we tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people and all of history. And with me this week are my good friends, my former and quasi peop-, Cody Johnson. Collaborator collaborators secret anti fosuna soldier allies. Whatever terms. Secret collaborative request secret collaborators, that's a lot we call. So that's catching and this week. We are talking about the mid-term exciting now rather than doing the two parter about one person we have two distinct subjects both episodes. In this episode is the working title is every shitty thing. Ted Cruz has done in his shitty. Shit life that'll the titles ally. Because I didn't have time every there's so much garbage that Ted Cruz is done, but we are going to go back a lot further than I think most people know about Mr. tedrick, I'm very excited about this fascinating. I want to start by asking. When did you guys? I learn about Ted Cruz. Would you call your first Ted Cruz memory? I couldn't say my first memory of him. But I know is around the tea party times. Yeah. That would make sense. Yeah. I would say that's around the same time for me. It's all a blur. Well, I want the listeners at home to know that while we're doing this. There's a tide pod. That's been in the office the whole year now that I've been doing. This show, and I've just been squeezing it, and it's gradually degrading, and you can see that it's going to burst at some point some gonna pass this around. And we all take turns squeezing anybody maybe it will explode in the middle of this session one can home. It's really gross right now like you can see how gross I thought that was a tide pods. And I was right. It'll be fun for the listeners at home to hear us. Squeeze a tied pot for the. Yeah. It doesn't have much longer left in. All right. So Ted Cruz the focus of this week is the bastards of the two thousand eighteen midterm elections. And I want to make it clear to our listeners who may be more politically independent that we're not just declaring every Republican who's running right now a bastard, or at least, I'm not the people that we're talking about this week are folks that I think everyone in America can get together behind an agreer garbage monsters and on that note, let's talk about Ted Cruz. Yeah. Yeah. Now, the tale of how Ted Cruz came to be started decades before his birth in nineteen thirty nine it started in Cleveland as any terrible things start. In the late thirty in the thirties back before the cuyahoga river caught on fire. The first time of like a dozen times. I'm gonna start with a businessman named Fred g Clark. He was an executive an anti prohibition crusader. So that's nice. He was a libertarian very early libertarian and a contemporary of the cope family patriarch. Fred coke because for some reason Fred's are all dedicated to destroying the social safety net. There's going to be a lot of Fred's this episode. Okay. Yeah. A lot of friends in an episode about a Ted now. I gotta say, that's my least favorite name is it Fred there's something hardcore libertarian about the name friends. Yes. And that's not just a random jokes. So anyway, cork formed an organization called the American economic foundation. It's goal was to push an advocate for free market, limited government, ideals. He moved the foundation to New York City in the nineteen forties. And he set up a program to educate. Young Americans about the wonders of capitalism. Clark believed the free market worked because it was a self correcting system controlled by the consumer since this self correcting system was obviously perfect..
"fred coke" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM
"I agree. I had a guy all the show. Let me jump in real fast. I had a guy called the show Jeff this couple a few years ago. And he said the reason the black people are all in prison is because that's where all the crime is. And after I stop laughing in his face. I said, okay, if the police went into the Wall Street firms, they wouldn't find any cocaine if the if the if the Securities Exchange Commission was really really doing their job and audited these firms they wouldn't find financial fraud. You don't remember what happened when George W Bush and his and his criminal friends on Wall Street brought down the economy. None of these things are crimes. So I hear you loud and clear Jeff in the problem is is that what we saw when George W Bush in and the criminals on Wall Street brought down the economy was exactly what you're talking about two systems of Justice. This country is still upset, and I believe one of the big reasons Benedict. Donald got as close as he did steal in his way in was. Because we didn't hold Wall Street accountable. They stole all the money. They rigged the economy took it all came down crashing down. People lost their homes lives were destroyed. They got bailed out then they were left in place, and they're all still there making even more money. Now, the the depths of seething out there is still not understood by the political elite in this country. And so a lot of people saw that and see what's going on. They say, why am I knocking my head against the wall here to do live under a system that's rancid and corrupt the, you know, the rich again the way with everything the boys on Wall Street of getting away with snorting cocaine by the bucket, full, right? Drinking champagne while they're doing it making all this money. And he got to be worried about going to jail for a dime bag of pot. Is that what you're referring to buy any? Exactly. And the other thing is that when they say that corporations are people. Maybe prosecuted when they do what a corporation does something wrong shouldn't they be prosecuted like a person perations are people, my friend. How do you put a corporation? Throw the Arctic or break. There you go. No, I agree with you, Jeff as a matter of my personal opinion. Of course, I agree with you one hundred percent. I mean, you'd think it my opinion of anyway, here's the thing if if the C E O's and actually the seat does if all of their called the control group in the law. They're called the control group, and it makes perfect sense. If you think about it for second who can cause a corporation to do something, you know, who could make Exxon invest in this oil, well who can make Exxon decide whether to give its workers arrays who can decide whether to build a new facility here or there, if you're if you're Exxon, it's the control group. It's the chief executive officer the chief operating officer board of directors. These are the people the small group of people at the top that can cause a company to do things. The janitor, who's cleaning the bathrooms after hours isn't the in the control group that person doesn't do it. So my argument has been all along put the control. Group in precip with a whole lot of all of them. I if you know, the then put the board of directors in there, too that will send a signal to everybody that you got mind, your Ps and qs, and you gotta do things right or you're going to be held accountable. And so if you just start doing some kind of group incarcerations, you won't have to do too many before they wake up. Exactly. Exactly, what are the odds of that ever happening? Jeff. It's never gonna happen. Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you. How can be made to happen? Well, it's like eighty percent of this country. Started voting if Bernie Sanders were president or Elizabeth Warren were president, and we had a strong democratic, you know, group of people with a bunch of spines in the house and Senate, and we had, you know, then you know, that kinda trickled down if I can use the phrase to the regulatory bodies, right? Then it could happen week. Jeff, this is the point I've been trying to make and you seem like a smart guy. So you get it. We can have whatever we want. We really got under the United States constitution as it exists. Now, we can have whatever we want. We get Medicare for all have free college. We can do the transaction. Tax on Wall Street. We can do any any policy that any liberal or progressive has ever proposed on this show. We can have it. There's nothing standing in our way except power and to have power you need to win elections and to win elections. You gotta work really hard. And once you. Wind power. You gotta use it the way look at how the Republicans are using it. You gotta be tough, and they're tough, and the Democrats don't know how to win elections. They don't know what to do say won the election. I mean, it's it's sad to watch. But the truth is if the if the citizenry got angry enough and got aroused enough and was willing to stick with long enough and have no short attention span and engage in truly listened to this show, for example, that oh this is how the system works. They wouldn't need to be socialists. They wouldn't need to be democratic socialist. They wouldn't need to be arguing with me about Hillary's too close to Wall Street. They would understand that the real key is to take over their county their village their town their city, I their county I and everything beneath the county the city the village, I then the state then the members of the house in the Senate US Senator from that state, this Hillary and Wall Street stuff is irrelevant the way this system works. It's a state based system and you take over your state. And the Republicans know this look what they've done they're close. They're close to have enough states under their control to call brand new constitutional convention, and if they do that we're all in very deep. Trouble Maja what Sarah Palin is going to write a new constitution. So they understand the system and they've worked Jeff Jefferson. It's old and it's weird. And it's got really odd. Kind of features like this electoral college thing right in these two cents per state thing, but we've got under stand how it works. And then just said about working our way to win under the set of rules is weird and rigged as they are. We can still do it. If we have the political will we've got the numbers is no question. We are the clear majority. We've got a work. We've got to get patient. We've gotta stop throwing temper tantrums and short attention span theater and purity tests, we just gotta understand and invest four eight twelve years is going to take that long taking these these Nazis fifty years fifty years from Fred coke, and the John Birch society in the mid sixties just taken in fifty years to get us here because they're not America. Ramming and un-american agenda down people's throats. We are the majority, and we have a policy agenda that is broadly popular, if we'd stop calling it progressive and liberal and calling ourselves, socialists. We'd get a whole lot more adherence to it to a policy agenda. That's broadly popular, we could. Then mobilized an army of voters win a lot of elections, take power and implemented all onto the US constitution. And I don't understand. Why people keep fighting me about it? Was that a cogent understandable presentation? I mean, you're a smart. Yes. Tell me how I'm wrong. Tell me where I'm wrong come on make critique me. Being wrong. The only other thing I could say is that we should all those weird laws that they passed. We should turn them around and use them again. Well, I love that idea. And I have proposed that to which is every time they descend on abortion. We do the same thing on guns because guns and abortion, legally or the equivalent they're both constitutional rights, and they can both be regulated the spree quarter said exactly the same on both. And since they love their gun so much, and I hate abortion so much. It seems to me the door swings. Both ways every time. They do an abortion thing, we do a gun thing and say, you know, and then we'll get down to Jeff which is they'll say, you can't do it about guns because guns were constitutional, right? And we say Roe versus Wade. And they say that's not a real constitutional, right which exposes their attitude of I'm special. This is my country on the American master race. I get to declare which supreme court judges, and which supreme court decisions are legitimate or not. And since I say that my interpretation of the second amendment is in the written document. And I say the supreme court doesn't get to rule Roe versus Wade. They don't have that. Right to do it. I get to say all these things because I'm special, and I'm your master. And you will obey me. So. That's how we get that kind of dragged out into the open for everybody to see and Jeff I'm on a mission to try and drag this all out in the open for everybody to see I think once even even even the knuckleheads who are pander who were pushing this stuff of on the American masters. I'm not sure they're even quite that aware of it. And once they hear it. I think they kinda go, you know, he may have a point. I mean, it won't say it to me, then I'm gonna call me up and admit that they'll never say it to anybody close to them. But they gotta sit there and say, you know, gee whiz. How do I justify this? I mean, some people are going to start to question. And that's where I'm going. What do you think? You know, what I'm a blonde haired, blue eyed, German guy. I don't believe I don't believe in a master race. So well, and apparently neither this Germany these days. So there you go. Jeff. I gotta leave it there. I'm sorry. I did so much of the talking that was a long call. I'm honored that your first time caller, and you've never called a radio show before maybe it was my excitement. But I hope you dragged a lot of good stuff out of me. That's the important stuff. Is you gotta drag good stuff out of me. And deborah. Let's see what you can do. Hi, deborah. How you doing? I'm good. What's up? I'm a first time caller to and I wanted to talk. And this area about our president. I don't have facts to back this up. But I don't have facts. This up. Actually, it's Herman Cain. Who said I. Herman cain. I thought about it. And some of the day that Trump was elected. This is my thought is that Trump what better way if Putin wanted to destroy the United States, then put a president in an era. To do that. This man from the beginning has never tried to unify the country. He's always just to his base. Everything is about wearing up his space bring him in hatred out that deficient in the country. Absolutely. And he he does everything to wrap up his base. Now, he has Democrats angry. Headed norm. Even if we win the house. He'll be still doing on all of this rhetoric. Doing all of this. We have to win the house and the Senate. Because the truth is this man is not here's a traitor. Ravin for me. To me all of them..
"fred coke" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM
"Careeropps communists, the John Birch society appeal to people who thought that the radical extremists communists. We're going to take over America. They saw communists under every rock. And they were so out there on the fringe. Ages of of like, anywhere, not even reality. Their way out there that even the mainstream Republican party said these guys get out of here that here. And there was a purge purging. Fred coke, a very wealthy guy in a lot of his rich crazy buddies some of his small group, they were able to get what I believe is the exact current situation that we have today started. What was in the nineteen sixties literally half a century ago? What was started? Then as a radical fringe. There was a lot of racism percolating around back underneath that anti-communism. So much of the stuff that we are living with today with you know, who and his Republican party. They are this is straight out of the John Birch society stuff. Now, that's patients that's patients. I mean, you got fifty years fifty years is taken in fifty years. And it's it's the it's the analogy of the the boiling lobster boiling. Frog. Right. Every step of the way says one more step and people say, well, you know, we can live with that one step. And then it's one more step. Well, we could live that way. While the water starts out kind of nice and warm, and by the time, of course, you realize that the water is too warm it's too late. And that's where we are now. Now, I understand, and I have had this conversation with people before and they always have very accurate and correct in saying to me norm there are structural advantages on the other side that we don't have. And you just mentioned one of them norm, by the way, Fred coke, right wing. You have virtually or actually unlimited resources when you've got the deepest pockets, and you could just fund whatever you wanna fund look what they've done the funded all these think tanks. They've taken over the media. Hey who owns all the radio stations? Okay. So when you have virtually unlimited resources, and you have an insane notion. You you need fifty years you need fifty years to gradually. Insidiously? Ooh. As a good word are insidious. Had the best words sneaky, right? So they've had to take half a century to get us to this point. Literally Archie bunker is in the White House may have you ever watched all the family of your of that age? I mean, if you have an there's like net flicks and all this stuff on the internet now. Anyway, Archie bunker in all that he represented is in the White House now, and it's a serious thing. So the good news in all this is you, and I and all of our fellow normal Americans. We don't need fifty years. We really don't because we are the majority now, and we've been the majority was obvious in two thousand when George W Bush and Kathryn Harrison, his brother, Jeb right, stole Florida by five hundred thirty seven votes, there's been obviously we've been a majority for a long time, we can grab power and make this government. Whatever we want. We can fix social security. We can have single payer Medicare for all we can have whatever we walk. The constitution gives us all of that. The thing that standing in our ways organism. Asian and focus. So now that people are really really really upset. Now that people are mad. We've been following. What really is a national story. Now this year about the right to vote in this year's congressional elections that right to vote coming under tremendous and varied pressure all over the country as Republican officials on down the line Republican officials in state government and county government at the city level the municipal level all around the country. We're seeing evidence of them basically trying to tilt the playing field wherever they can't. However, they can't to make voting as hard as possible or as complicated as possible for democratic leaning voters who might be inclined to vote in this upcoming congressional election. And that of course is Rachel Maddow. And she's on this story. She's a leader on this story. She deserves tremendous credit. She shining a big national spotlight on it. And it's happening in lots of states. Of course, the Republican states, my state, California makes it very easy to vote. This no impediments, Oregon. In the normal state say voting is a good thing. We like it when people vote, and so that by the way, Bernie Sanders would tell you this anytime you ask him, which is when large numbers of people vote. Democrats win that's been the rule of American politics since I've been a child it's true because there's more Democrats. There are more Democrats than Republicans. That's why they have to suppress the vote because what because there's always been more Democrats and Republicans and on those occasions when Democrats get upset, and they say okay now, I'm really gonna vote right? Democrats win and the more Democrats vote, the more Democrats. It's really very simple. We don't need fifty years. They needed fifty years in the unlimited resources and all the rigging and fixing call themselves Christians and making alliances with whoever they need to make license because they're on American. They're not patriots is bad people. You know, they're out in the open. Now, we see it all now with all the anti immigration stuff, right, etc. Etc. So good news Russia's we don't need fifty years. Maybe eight. Maybe eight, but we've got to win like virtually every election from now for the next eight years, we've got again, a democratic president it's twenty twenty and then re elected we need heavily democratic house and Senate. We've just got to take power and consistently use it election after election, and these things do build on each other with Democrats are bold and take power, and he starts showing people. Hey, look government can actually do you some good, and it doesn't have to be corrupt and terrible people's. I'll give you another chance. Keep going. Let's see how you do. But you gotta earn it. Let's see if we earn my real concern my real concern because it looks like the Democrats this year for this congressional election. This November next month few week couple of weeks. Right. The Democrats appear very angry and very aroused in very ready to vote my ultimate biggest concern is not turning its we'll the votes actually be counted. Will we have election fraud? That's what the Republicans do the voter suppressive efforts are getting a little emotional a little heated case in point. I will I will confess. There was a little bit of laughing out loud. When I first saw this. But I'm trying to be epithet. I'm trying to get beyond the laughing at this. Which was my first instinct to see what might be the emotions at work behind something this nuts. Here. It is. It's out of Texas group called true the vote which has been around for a few years. Now, there are tea party conservative, basically, anti voting rights activist group. They're the ones who send conservative poll-watchers into minority precincts to loom over people while they're voting right, basically implicitly threatened that there's something dangerous about turning up to vote in a place like that. Well, this is the fundraising Email that true. The vote has just sent out about voting in Texas this year. Quote, dare supporter. I am writing you today with an urgent appeal as all of America is now seeing the radical left will do anything to silence pro liberty voices. They will lie. They will cheat. They will destroy now with polls tightening free and fair elections will soon be under assault like never before we need your help. We are already receiving reports of radical actions designed to overwhelm export electoral processes. What are these radical actions like in, Texas, where state officials have notified us that counties are being buried under hundreds of thousands of voter registrations. All being strategically submitted in mass what they mean, there is wholly welcome. All you guys tons of people are registering devote. This is disgusting. We've got to do something about it. This is obviously a strategic effort to destroy the system. This is people trying to vote. I mean, what this true the vote conservative anti voting rights hair on fire alert is about is that they want to raise money. They're also trying to get poll-watchers quote. Having informed citizens watching in the polls. It will make a difference. Now that they've seen these terribly large numbers of people registering to vote they wanna make sure this doesn't actually threatened to turn into real people casting their votes. They'll do everything they can send money now. Grandma. That is Ray tomato. Of course, we thank MSNBC for that. Clip, and it's obvious. What's happening here? The Republicans are seeing what we are seeing which is an engaged aroused, angry democratic ocean voters, and perhaps, you know, a bunch of Republicans and independence, but they can't the Republicans. Can't suppress those votes because they don't know which Republicans which independence to throw off the rolls. So they're going after the known, Democrats African Americans, right Latinos. And that's what the Republicans are doing because they know that the only way they're going to win elections is to keep turn out low and read them people are trying to vote and trying to register to vote in very large numbers the day before true the vote sent that out earlier this week. And remember they reference Texas where the real problem is the day before they sent out that alert KTAR in Texas. In fact, reported on a big spike in new voter registrations in counties in northeast Texas up in Collin county, Texas, for example, county elections administrator there says that in the last thirty days before the last congressional election the last midterm elect. In two thousand fourteen that county got about forty eight hundred new voters registered this year in the same period. They got nearly thirteen thousand new voter registrations come in. So that's just one little county in northeast, Texas, everybody freak out, look at all those people who wanna vote we're seeing this dynamic happen in counties and states around the country doubling and tripling of voter registration applications and people already turning out to vote early right? Compared to the last time the American public had the chance to vote in an election like this one which is four years ago in two thousand fourteen again, Rachel motto. She's awesome. She's on MSNBC, by the way. You remember that stuff about Bernie telling you Bernie said I've heard him personally say about thousand times, I that's an exaggeration for emphasis. However, Bernie says it all the time the more people vote the more people who get their votes counted. The worst Republicans tend to do in US election. So when you've got Republican control of the legislature and the state government like Republicans have in Texas. They know it's to their own advantage to keep the elections process to keep the voting process to keep the voter registration process. Slow and screwy because that works for them, just fine. More people trying to register more people trying to vote that's scary to them. There you go. Rachel motto. MSNBC? Thank you so much, please. Remember you and I need to remember the state's run the elections. The state's run the elections Florida two thousand that wasn't the US government daily got involved at the very end the supreme court to say put Bush in their states run the election. So when the Republicans take over the states who is running the elections. I don't know one eight eight eight three two one six thousand and one senior legal analyst times the beginning of the next hour. Let's keep going with this hour, Rick. Hi, Rick right.
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"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"Here's how it opens. Government. Censorship is about to take a great leap forward a government agency. The Federal Communications Commission believes it has the right to act as our parents and restrict the broadcast of certain words at times when children just might be listening. There's a box in the middle of the ad that just says band with a question, Mark and then has a list of works including the bible, Ernest Hemingway Chaucer. You know, the big campaign to ban Chaucer George Orwell in the Nixon Watergate tapes, all of what you're still legal. It ends with a plea for money that says, this coupon fight censorship. Yes, I want to help save the public airwaves from the obscenity of government control. Here's my tax deductible and tax deductible. Contribution of, yeah. So that's the first ad in the libertarian reader, the issue that Charles coke submitted an article called the business community resisting regulation. That's all the Z's right. Your magic. This is like a Zine. No, just for the coach boys, boy boys, yeah is. No, it was. This article was part of a series called toward the second American revolution libertarian strategies for today and in this article, coke rails against what he calls political capitalism, which he defines as a terrible state of affairs, where in businesses work with the government and don't reject all regulation. Out of hand quote, the final stage of political capitalism is even worse. Richard ferris president of United Airlines and exception in his industry predicts continued government control would mean airline services. You know it today will be seriously jeopardised and his service into quickly deteriorate. You will stand by helplessly as the threat of nationalization becomes reality. You remember when the government took over all the airlines do. Yeah, yeah. Thing though if the airlines had remained private companies. Yeah, I'm sure there would be a lot of legroom on flights, good food, high-quality customer service. People would not get dragged out of flights because they got overbooked. This makes me sick. In his article, Charles argues that businessmen should refuse subsidies from the government. So they shouldn't even take money from the government and refused to comply with regulations. Even ones that benefit their particular business or hurt competitor. The goal is reducing taxes and thus reducing the government. Nothing else matters. Regulators must be. They have to be battled at all costs. Fred coke said this do not cooperate voluntarily instead resist wherever into whatever extent illegally can and do. So in the name of Justice. I love this. This. Yeah, that's why I'm making the Star Wars comparisons. He views himself as a rebel fighting this evening. Chippy evil, Paris being like you should pay for people to have health care. Will not have spilled too much poison into the water you have to pay for that. He shouldn't have been living in Corpus Christi. Why can't they be in the Hamptons? I don't believe there. Like a neck vein that would just pop. It is hard to imagine any of the things that like he's written that like when I 'cause I, I read a couple articles, Charles coke read, and it's hard to imagine him not screaming them to you, like that's the that's always the tenor at which he writes..
"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"I spent the next two years almost like a hermit surrounded by books. He says, so Charles coke starts running a company for the first time and falls in love with libertarian economic theory and sort of consumes him in for the next couple of years. He's just reading. Basically, he becomes convinced that in essence, his company would thrive was run on free market principles. So he basically creates a theory for how to manage a company called market based management quote, the free market best of all Guam rates, local interactions into a whole vastly exceeding the sum of its parts phenomenon that Mr. coke is especially keen to copy. So his idea to copy this seems to have been to have different divisions within his company compete with each other. So if like you need some of your employees to be trained right. Normally, their chunk of the company that's responsible for training them well, in trials, cokes company that chunk of the company exists, but they have to bid with outside companies that do training in order to like determine who's going to get to train your employees. So basically every business unit within the company is competing with every other business unit in the company rather than working together. And the goal is at this will hopefully keep costs down and lead to more innovation. It sounds exhausting to me, but this is the idea that he comes up with like during this period. This is his big like a stroke of brilliance, then also in the mid nineteen sixties. So that midnight can sixties. When he comes up with this idea for market based management in, it's also when he comes to believe that his brother Freddie is gay. He Andy friend even break into freddy's apartment to try and find incriminating evidence to this effect. Eventually, Charles organized his two other brothers into a coalition against Freddie. This all culminated in a boardroom confrontation with Freddie on one side and Bill, David and Charles on the other. Now, Charles told Freddie, his behavior was inappropriate and warned that if their dad found out it might kill him, but not before he disinherited Frederick. Now, at some point, this ugly mess. Bill coke apparently found his sense of basic human decency and started defending his brother and later apologized for being a part of it in the first place. This infuriated, Charles, it's hard to say exactly what happened is a result of all this, but Freddie did wind up taking a much larger chunk of his inheritance and cash upfront, rather than getting as big a chunk of the company that he and his brothers all inherited. It's also worth noting that that Frederick coke says that the rumors of him being gay or untrue, and that his brothers were wrong about this. I don't know what the actual case was. He. Was definitely less focused on business and more of an artist in more interested in in that sort of world's. It may have just been that that he was a kid in the sixties who cared more about art than running a company. And that's why his brothers treated him like shit, I don't know, but he never started a multibillion dollar fundraising enterprise to essentially push America further to the right. So as far as I, I got nothing against Frederick coke, but he got a little bit fucked over by his brothers in here and challenge later. She's like, I want out. I got. Yeah, and it seems like that's mainly the case and Bill in Frederick are sort of the good coke. Brothers Frederick kind of went off on his own and kind of lived on his own and didn't have much to do with the family. Bill started a separate company and dedicated millions of dollars to fucking over his brother, Charles, and then Charles and David or the co, brothers that we all know today. So this is kind of where that schism happens. All right. So Fred coke conspiracy theorists and honorary Nazi finally crapped out of. Life in November of nineteen sixty seven aged nineteen sixty seven. So at least shitty people don't always live to be fucking ninety. That's that's an upbeat aspect of that story. When Fred diet, his kids inherited a bunch of money and shares in his company like most rich people, Fred coke wanted to give as little of his estate as possible to the government..
"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"An occasional holiday when he finally did come back. The first thing Charles did when he came home on vacation was beat up Bill. So how he's he's a bit of a dick to his brothers. Yeah. I'm the train. Mother fucker. So in nineteen fifty eight, Fred coke became one of the founding members of the John Birch society. John Birch, I dunno, it's fun. Us generate society was a far right wing conspiracy theory focused society. They would be kind of the nineteen fifties equivalent of a group like Infowars. Okay. Yeah. So the society's goal was to stop the spread of communism in America and push back against the efforts of secret communists hiding in the American government. Oh, did they start that witch hunt in Hollywood? They were a big part of that, but they went a lot further than McCarthy did because the secret communists they were going after. We're guys like president Dwight D Eisenhower. So is in Hauer was a lefty too according to the judge Birch society? Yeah, the Dwight Eisenhower who had the leader of the Congo assassinated for being a leftist sympathizer that Dwight Eisenhower is a kost. And sometimes when you are that Deaton to, he's deep, cover, deep, cover your have. To do things to make it look like, you're not? Yes. Sometimes I get it. Sometimes you have to overthrow three or four democratically-elected leftist regimes in order to further the broader goals of communism. Right? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. You wanna throw the people that are honored off your trail is possible. Hitler was a secret. Announced. I'm gonna shut you down. No, you should. So the whole John Birch society was the brainchild of Robert Welsh. A of the John Birch society demanded the US retired from the United Nations in ordered flyers, circulated in Dallas, Texas the day before the arrival of president Kennedy. The flyers stated that Kennedy was wanted for treason and that quote, he is turning the sovereignty of the US over to the communist controlled United Nations. So this has been going on for this has been going on for a long time. All of this was more or less in line with the beliefs of Fred coke. A man who in publications he wrote for the John Birch society stated quote, the colored man looms large in the communist plan to take over America for its suspected. That welfare was a conspiracy to fill American cities with black people who carry out a race war to exterminate white people. This is where Fred cokes minus. Now, the Kennedy assassination was not great for the reputations of the members of the John Birch society or for Robert Welsh main about this, but maybe they do it. That's. This myth, but I'll have to dig into it. If you dig into myths around this nation of Kennedy, the John Birch society regularly comes up. Well, I guess I haven't been Google not hard. Yeah, there were just a big thing and fire right circles back in the fifties and sixties. So after the Kennedy assassination, obviously mainstream conservatives denounced the John Birch society and Robert Welsh is crazy and claim. The society was a little more than a collection of conspiracy theorists, Charles coke, joined the John Birch society to impress his father, but he actually hated the gender society. 'cause he thought all this conspiracy shit was nuts. He was. Charles coke. Yeah, while he really wanted his father, he really wanted his dad's approval because he did not like the John Birch society. He was impressed by their organization in their fundraising prowess because they raised a lot of money and they had a really good secret sort of political organization going. He thought all the conspiracy bullshit got in the way of the society should be doing which was actually conspiring to destroy the new deal in most of the American government. So that was his issue with the John Birch society too much time on conspiracy theory nonsense not enough time dismantling the government. Okay. So in nineteen sixty one when Charles was twenty six is father's health began to fail and Charles Mott back home to Wichita to help run the company. He'd been working as a consultant in Boston. Many hadn't been back in Kansas long when he had his doc Brown hitting his head on a toilet, inventing the flex capacitor kind of moment. Here's how the Wall Street Journal described it in a fawning nineteen. Ninety-seven article quote one day in nineteen sixty two Charles newly minted MIT engineer pulled down a book on the. The Austrian school of economics, which describes free economies as systems of spontaneous unplanned order..
"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"And we're back now when we last started off, we talked about Fred coke. The family, patriarch, Kelly, the family fortune by working with the Soviet Union and the Nazis. We talked some about his parenting strategies and the coke boys nanny in. We've just gotten through Charles cokes kind of troubled time in school. You know, he spent a lot of time getting kicked out of different educational institutions for being too rowdy. Now, a major source for the book, dark money in for this podcast, as a result was an unpublished report about Charles coke written by professor in Clayton Coppin. Kappen had been, I hired by coke industries to read it into history of the corporation, and he get access to a lot of eternal family documents more. Yeah. He was next hired by Bill coke to basically write an opposition research piece on Charles coke because the coke brothers hate each other. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, we'll be getting into that just now Bill. Yeah, hired him inside did I don't even digging around our family history ourselves on a website. That's pretty cool by the way when she do, here's everything I got on my brother. Well, let me guess this dude dead now isn't it? Is this dude did no, no Coppins alive. Yeah. Okay. Barely. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Tell me more or at least I as far as I know Coppins the life anyway, the the report that he wrote a book length report, it's unpublished, but mayor, the journalists who wrote doc money, got a copy of it, and she quotes from it liberally. So here's how Coppins report describes Charles cokes. Late adolescence quote, Charles spin, little of the next fifteen years at home only coming there for.
"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"The alien eating affects of wealth and maternity on the human experience start virtually at birth. Never let up infants in hunter, gatherer societies or carried by their mothers as much as ninety percent of the time which roughly corresponds to carrying rates among other primates. Meanwhile, younger notes over in America, quote, during the nineteen seventies mothers maintained skin-to-skin contact with babies as little as sixteen percent of the time, which is a level that traditional societies would probably consider a form of child abuse. So sixteen percent is what a normal kid in America is getting physical contact with their parents being raised. The cokes are being raised by a nanny and dark money does not make this nanny sound like cut alling kind. So I think these kids are spinning pretty much all of their time isolated. Quote, the nannies iron rule terrified, the little boys according to a family acquaintance. In addition to being overbearing, she was a fervent Nazi sympathizer who frequently touted Hitler's virtues dressed in a starch, white uniform and pointed nurses hat. She arrived with a stash of gruesome German children books, including the Victorian classic their Stroup eater that featured sadistic consequences for misbehavior ranging from cutting off one child's thumbs to burning another to death, the acquaintance recalled that the nurse had a commensurately harsh in dicta to'real approach to child rearing. She enforced a rigid toilet training regimen requiring the boys to produce morning bowel movements. Precisely unscheduled will be forced fed, castor, oil and subjected to intimates. So that's the first five or six years of the coke. Brothers is lives. Wow. Yeah, I didn't know there are four of them and that's what I take away from owning. Well, there are four. Yeah, the the coke brothers that people famously talk about or two of them Charles and David, the others were not nearly as involved in politics. Yeah, that's so sad. Yeah, it's bummer. So it's, I think important to get that background because we're going to talk about a lot of terrible shit. They've done. It's kind of hard to imagine anyone turning out without some weird quirks growing up in that circumstance. Can't we say. Yeah. So the Nazi sympathizer, Fred coke hired to raise kids while he was busy doing business and capitalist business, big business for sure state around until about nineteen forty when she got so excited about Germany's victory over France that she moved back home to be a bigger part of this whole Nazi thing I wanted to celebrate with, no, who wouldn't dude, good party. I wouldn't know because he couldn't. No, I wouldn't wanna party with him. Yeah. I mean on a serious on the record. I do not wanna party with Hitler. I wanna party with Stalin like us a bad do too, but the drinking bouts. That you hear described that the Russian high count sound sound like something I want a witness. I never seen that. Oh, man. Oh, it was. We have a whole episode about it, but they lifted with the drunk people in history, but no, Hitler not fun to party with. Doesn't sound like this lady was either. No. So when he was home, Fred, coke was a strict disciplinarian. Yeah, I'm really riveted by the story. I'm like, looking at you big. Wow. So, yeah, Fred, coke was a strict disciplinarian. And in the context of this podcast, diciplinarian means child abuser. Pretty much a hundred percent of he was a child abuser. He abused his kids..
"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"That's ex. So, yeah, the coke industries to this day doesn't really like to acknowledge the fact that they got their start in part by working for the Nazis way. Most of the Republican party doesn't like to acknowledge. No, you can definitely find some ties to the bushes as well. So now in nineteen thirty four. The company that hired cokes company was an American companies. Well, it was run by William Davis who was a big time, Nazi sympathizer, and he was trying to help Germany's oil industry get off the ground. Now back in World War One, Germany had starved halfway to death under a brutal, British naval blockade Germany's inability to feed its people and supplies. Military without trade was a huge source of concern for Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Hitler's goal in the nineteen thirties in the pre war period was for Germany to reach a state of autarky or self sufficiency, so they wouldn't need to trade with the world in order to meet their basic needs in case, they wound up going to war with the world again. So Hitler was, you know, modern. Ising the German military in buying a metric, fuck load of tanks airplanes who gasoline factored heavily in his plans for autarky. This was not hidden news at the time. The president of one American Bank refused to fund Davis is planned refinery because he didn't want to help the Nazis. Rearm. Other people eventually did put up the cash though and Fred coke, played it into rural role in planning and building the new refinery, which would go on to become the third largest refinery. In the Third Reich, the factory that coke built for Hitler didn't just make a lot of fuel made high octane fuel, the kind of fuel used to say, keep the lift off line. You would almost compare it to drinking celsius, but I won't. No, we can. We can talk shit on celsius unless they start offering us money. No, I'm talking about being high octane on Jack. So Fred coke, went onto lightly, regret his work with the Soviet Union in years past wing. But he never really talked much about what he'd done with the Nazis at least after the fact the time that he'd spent in the repressive Soviet regime seemed to have a huge impact on him. He would constantly talk about the dangers of government control. What was bad about having you know too large of a government, but he didn't hate all governments just the socialist ones in nineteen thirty eight. He visited several countries including imperial Japan in New Zealand. He described New Zealand as quote, violently socialistic. But he wrote this in a letter to his mentor about Japan, Germany and Italy quote. Although nobody agrees with me, I am of the opinion that the only sound countries in the world are Germany, Italy and Japan simply because they are all working and working hard. The laboring people in those countries are so proportionately much better off than they are anyplace else in the world. When you contrast the state of mine in Germany today with what it wasn't nineteen, twenty five, you begin to think that perhaps this course of idleness feeding at the public trough dependence on government, etc. With which we are afflicted is not permanent and can be overcome. That's red coke being like, wouldn't it be great if we could get rid of the new deal and be like the Nazis? That's where his head is in nineteen thirty. S. Now, World War Two you haven't. And yeah, Fred coke pulled away on on sympathizing with the Nazis openly. The refinery he'd helped to build was destroyed in June of nineteen forty, four after years of being targeted by the allies. Forty. Two thousand civilians died in various allied raids on the city that the refinery was in coke. Stop talking openly about fascism, but continued to warn the world about socialism according to the two thousand fourteen books, sons of Wichita, Fred became convinced that a global war between capitalism and socialism was inevitable. Well quote, I think these times are far more serious than even civil war days. He confided to a friend and retired army officer that was merely decide whether we were going to be one nation or two. Whereas the fight that is going on now in this country is going to decide whether we are going to be Freeman or slaves, just maybe the most someone can misunderstand the civil war. Actually, that one was about slaves. Whoops. Do this, Fred, dude, man? What's your vibe on him so far?.
"fred coke" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"Well, now that we're fortified, are you ready to dig into the tale of Charles coq au? Yeah. All right. There's nothing sexier than being a rebel. That's why Hollywood has for decades, glorified gangsters, and pirates. The lost cause myth of the confederacy still has traction. That's why people are so eager to identify with the hashtag resistance. There's something deepen the marrow of our nation that makes Americans wanna be seen as plucky resistance fighters, each flinging towards their own personal death stars. But what happens when your entire existence is the antithesis of rebellion? What happens if you through sheer accident of birth? Wind up with hundreds of millions of dollars, oddly enough that guy can and will find some way to make himself feel like. A rebel today, we'll be talking about the story of one such man, Charles coke, who despite being born into impossible fortune came to believe that he and his fellow rich people with the most discriminated class in America over the course of a convoluted in bloody career trails Coakley become the driving force behind the infamous coke brothers and build a rebellion with a goal, no less extreme than the destruction of the US government as we know it. I don't see a problem so far you're on board with this guy. So. You agree, rich people really taken one for the man. Fuck those guys. See what. Already getting hated on affiliate, rich people what's up. They've taken too much, but yeah. Okay. So I should note right now the tale of Charles coke is one of those rare stories and journalism where there is a single indispensable reporter behind much of the coverage. If you're going to talk about sexual assault in Hollywood, Ronan Farrow is gonna come up a lot. If you're going to talk about blackwater and Eric prince, Jeremy scales. Gonna come up a lot in for the coke. Brothers. It's a reporter named Jane Mayer. She wrote a book dark money in two thousand sixteen delved into their past in the network of billionaire influencers. They assembled to change American politics. If you have read along scary article about the co, brothers and politico, or the New Yorker, pretty much anywhere else. There's a very good chance. She wrote it. So she's, we were a lot on this podcast in dark money is a big source here. Now, our story today begins back before any of the coke. Brothers were born in nineteen twenty seven, Fred coke. The patriarch of the coke, family invented a new way to refine crude oil into gasoline. Alas, the scientific breakthrough made him a threat to the. Oil companies. And since this was the twenties, everyone was even more corrupt than they are. Now. He was boxed out of the industry ensued into oblivion for patent infringement and other nonsense. The so far looking good for these guys on it seems like there's no way to pull themselves out of this whole nervous, but just wait, Fred coke law battled the oil companies for fifteen years, and eventually the court settled in his favor and awarded him one point, five million dollars, you know, and like thirties money, which is, you know, pretty pretty good money to have a million of the one because was found out that the oil companies had bribed. One of the judges who initially ruled against him in her book drunk money mayor quotes a family friend of the cokes as saying the fact that the judge was bribed completely altered their view of Justice. They believe just as can be bought in the rules or for chumps which they are. We don't agree. The rules are for Trump's, but maybe that makes more sense when you're jaywalking less winter. So far I'm still on board. I don't see what the problem. Yes. I mean, look, Fred was screwed this so far. He's, he's the hero. The story so far. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm on board with Fred coke so far. Just pulled some money out of there and he went to the dark side because he was like, wait a minute. You can bar Justice that's kind of well, first off while he's still mired in this law stuff. He finds himself hard up for some money. You know, of course because he's fighting the oil companies that's not easy call j. g. Wentworth he did call j. but the blast name was stolen. Okay. Or rather Joseph Stalin called him because the.
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"Propre Cesco fear and TD John Rolla to Italian names. One fund the other one, a little clunky. But she's a guest, so we're still gonna be nice tour. Okay. All right. Alexandra Cossio Cortez just rolls off your tongue. Every single time I struggled with that. It is long, but as we were just talking about affair, I can't complain. I named my son promiscuous. She's fairly long as well to say the least little Uber rolling off the time, especially the original version. Anyways. Okay. Names again. So here's situation. I have challenged Ted Cruz to debate offer ten thousand dollars, not kidding. He responded. So at the top of the next hour, I will respond to his response. Okay, so that'll be fun for everybody. We will share the tweets back and forth for you guys, and then I'll tell you, you know, basically how we'll structure it at cetera. EFI. I mean, look, he, he responded. So apparently considering it, I I think think he's he's gonna. gonna. Sort of debate Bernie, I guess. Yeah. No question. Yes. So when you when you initially tweeted as the over questing when with him, why did you choose tied cruise. So did it would be easy. Facemask because what if he coughs up one of those chunks remember. Like all the hatchlings earn his mouth usually. Spotting who figure all that out. All right. So we'll talk about it for real in the top of the next hour. Okay. So we got a hell of a show for you guys. Unfortunately, a lot of stories about race and right wing get ready to cry, but you're the ones who brought it up lowering Gribben. We'll talk about on the second hour talking about demographic changes. But there's plenty talking about in terms of all right, near views on race. In this hour, we're gonna get to in a little bit, but I love the first story in how much how much the coke brothers keep accidentally helping us the and the best the best spokespeople for the left unintentionally. Yeah, apparently. So and definitely unintentionally, but we will take all right. Welcome to hold progressive. Let's do it. Let's do it. Apparently I've heard through q. actually that the cook brothers are secretly lending us working behind the scene. Now, actually, if you'd said Stalinist, you would be massively correct. Originally there they made their fortune Fred coke. Their father made their fortune five working with Stalin, not. I didn't know this. Yeah, not metaphorically not symbolic. He was literally stolen est. He worked for Stalin. He said later, he regretted it, and that's why he went really right wing. He didn't give the money back though. That's interesting. He didn't give it back. Manny also was a Nazi. You've read the book, dark money, Jane Mayer nanny was a non see and when balanced both. Coming together. So that's why they're throwing curveballs. Yeah. So what are we see what they've been up to lately as jank alluded to lately the coke brothers just can't stop making the case for the left a couple of weeks ago as we reported sign. They funded a study of Medicare for all the likely costs of it what would actually cost to do. And obviously they went into that with a particular goal in mind. But unfortunately, it turned out that they discovered that, you know, it looked like it would actually save trillions of dollars over our current system while at the same time, providing better healthcare to more people. And now we come to this week where they're just covering all the rest of the ground. Basically, they had this new group that they set up. I believe, less than a year ago called in pursuit of which mildly threatening entirely know what that's about, but they pulled americ- Americans about a number of different issues and going into it obviously the coke brothers or hoping to show that Americans are, you know, like sauna capitalists and Gino. They support certain libertar-. Rian principles to give you an idea of one example of that. One of the things the survey found was that eighty six percent of Americans said the right to personal property is key to a free injustice -iety which can you ask a question that more people are just going to answer yes to that, really thinking about it. That means virtually nothing new. It means that fourteen percent of America might be communist. Maybe then uses anyone doesn't support that right. Fourteen percent of Americans that are either opposed to or not sure that we should have personal property..