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"frank whiteley" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

"Two fan favorites up there in Canada. Dave mighty Hart and pink Lloyd horses that love to win and the folks up that would bind loved their mighty heart and also love their pink Lloyd. All right, welcome back to the weekend stakes preview, presented by naira betts continuing on four stakes program tomorrow at Laurel. We already spoke about the Weber city miss raised 7 on the Laurel card is the $100,000 Frank whiteley stakes. These are three year olds and up going to go 7 furlongs on the main track, a field of 8 has been entered. And a little bit tougher to find the favorite in this race. We all know Luna bell is going to be favored in the Weber city miss. I'm not sure who's going favored in the Frank whiteley. Yeah, it's a good race, and there are a lot of different ways you can go. I tried pretty hard to talk myself into disco pharaoh for ray handle coming off a 19 and a half blank maiden score at aqueduct. First off, a layoff and now will be second off the son of American pharaoh and I just couldn't quite get there. I think disco pharaoh makes sense and I think this is a nice opportunity to make the stakes debut, but in this particular race, I think there are just some horses that have a little more experience, have a little more resume to them. So maybe disco Faro is the highest upside and maybe disco Faro is going to win. But you look at a horse like war Tuscan number 8 last time out at 49 to one finished second in a grade three race. And while that was surely the best race that were Tuscan has run, there are some other pretty good ones back in his history, though he is just three for 38. Youngest of 5 is a very, very consistent Maryland bread kind of runs the same race every time and has gotten up 6 different times. I thought Barack show, the last two were really sharp, but I ended up on the rail with sir Alfred James. I think the horses that sir Alfred James has been able to beat every now and again for kind of a three year period have been a little bit better than the competition, the others in here have tended to beat the last two at parks or both good, if not great, three back there was an excuse, a couple of races on the synthetic and on turf. I think you give sir Alfred James a fast dirt chorus and this level of competition and he's got a really good chance. I agree with you completely and I like the fact that he's learned to come from off the pace. It's a strange thing that's happened with sir Alfred James. He was running without blinkers and showing a lot of speed and sometimes getting tired. They've added blinkers for his last two starts and he shows less speed and closes more, which is kind of the opposite of what you normally think when blinkers are added. Do you think the blinkers are going on? You're going to get more speed and more kind of attentiveness out of the gate from the horse, but that's exactly opposite what's happened with sir Alfred James. I like what I've seen with his closing kick in his last two starts. And I think there's enough speed to set it up for that kind of kick to get the job done. Dave and I both liking number one, sir Alfred James for Norman cash and John McKee in the Frank whiteley race 7 tomorrow at Laurel. 8th race on the Laurel card is the $100,000 heavenly cause. Phillies and mayors going the one turn mile on the main track at Laurel. We've got a big field of 12 here and it's another race where there looks like there's several ways you can go. Well, there's little question to me that the best horse in the race is number 11 penny baker. I just have no idea what we can expect from penny baker on the dirt course. This is a horse that has run entirely overseas in France, a Kentucky bread for godolphin, and it's been running against boys on synthetic and running really, really well going off as the favorite and winning by open lengths. But if you go back in penny baker's form and you start looking at turf races, not so good. And then this race is on dirt. It's a little bit surprising to me that they didn't try to find a synthetic race in this country for penny baker, who I think sort of towers over this group, but I can't look beyond the over 6 on turf and has never tried a dirt course. I just have no idea what to expect from the horse. So then you start looking at what I would call the second tier horses that I don't think are quite as fast, but might be more equipped to handle the race course and I look at shallow more gardens who I think is run two really good races against New York State breads and primacy for Chad Brown, who's won back to back races, though they've been on sloppy and on muddy courses. I ended up with number 9 sharp star and I did it because I think second off a layoff we're going to see a much improved effort and there are multiple races in sharp stars past that I think are good enough to beat this group, but I'm going to have to play a bunch of them here. I'm going to have to spread in this one. Okay, so you like number 9 sharp star is your top choice at ten to one, but a spread in the race, I would spread as well, I completely agree that penny baker looks very tough in this spot. I went just to her inside with number ten feet Esprit for John Robb and Xavier Perez as my top choice. She's won 8 of 13 career starts at Laurel and even though she's a sprinter stretching out to a mile, it's a one turn mile, not really a whole lot of difference than what she's been doing at 7 for a longer than she's been running 7 for long as it Laurel very, very well. I don't think the extra distance is going to hurt her chances. She's a model of consistency. I'm going to put fee to spree on top in a spread race as well in the heavenly cause race 8 tomorrow at Laurel. Let's move along to the 9th race in the featured race if you will on tomorrow's Laurel card is the $125,000 Federico tesio stakes three year olds here going a mile and one 8th on their main track field of 9 and this is a race similar to the el Camino real Derby that is a win and you're in qualifier for the Preakness, the winner of the el Camino at Golden Gate gets an automatic bid to the Preakness if he or she is nominated at the Triple Crown. Same thing with the winner of the tesio. We heard in the rejoin.

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

08:51 min | 2 years ago

"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

"And the conversation for example veer into Frank Whiteley. Show Award and forego. which was was a lot of fun because Barca gave Barclays the work for frank like when you're in the during roughage to your winter. and. It just gave a really. Gloom initiating example of Frank white. We we which. Hard boot a gruff. for Middle School Talk school. Could train of thought But When it came to show ward. For though at the time. Missed widely. was really respectful. and it kind of painted really interesting picture because eventually when Shell Award. of retired and Martha Jerry. and show award. We're looking for a new training forego for nineteen seventy six. Was Mr Ward of course chose Mr White we, so that's. Kind of fun, little diversion, but As you pointed out on this show the other day, robin had a great great piece on why they stuck with manny, Franco in and you had embark. We discussed it in depth, but yeah, those those were some great videos. if I say so myself and I encourage you to watch him. Well the the fact that the Robin reached out to Ramon Dominguez for insight and and Barclay kind of provided the counterbalance to Ramones Association with the Barn and you the. Writer's been there. There's there's eras that you know when when riders. Come in to You know the the sphere. As it were with. With! A Barn and Ramon wrote a lot of the winners during during the prime of his career and for Barclay There's you know what's interesting about tag to that. Kind of long form conversation that we never seem to get to with him. We talk about some of his old early successes, but his. His origins as A Pennsylvania, horse, country, Steeplechase rider. that. you know the the origin story for for Barclay? It. was. A you know he. He's from that old school steeplechase. Them you know careers on the race track assistant. One on his own in the early seventies and Robin to I, mean Robin people don't know this but She worked as an assistant to Dr. John at Fisher the trainer and then. Some there went on her own and train the Charles town. And then later you know hooked up with Barkley when? They started dating But interestingly backstory to this Barkley. Known Robbins family for a long time and actually had known Robin. I think from from the age when bobby was five. And so you know. It's it's a long history, and then of course Two of them Developed a relationship much later on obviously but. Really Interesting Story You know Them, a their respective trained careers. 'cause you point out there. We'll deep blue and. Committed Atlantic horsemanship and It's so evident steed when you go to the barn. reminds me of old barns the. And and as a young kid actually. Sneaking into. Belmont and Teenager and I actually go over frankly responding seat him hoping for go. Like, Sixty. Seventy six, seventy seven. And you know. She Barclay reminds me of that old school that. kind of it's not bearing more So a lot of people that. Kind of remember that they they were very enthused with the. That did and it Kinda brought back memories for them to. See when I see Barclay next that actually I want to ask him a he he's from Lancaster, and and it makes me wonder. If at any point, he's had horses. For for Pechstein. Who? Who you know is she is Lancaster she? Pastor. And of course. You know with for years with with Without but I I it does occur to me that There has to be there have to be. And, also, I'm curious if Yeah and I. Barclays! Must have handled some some J. sources over the years. Not sure. That's a good question to ask them. That we're GONNA, we're. GonNa explore that we're going to I. If I may here from. From Bill Gallo momentarily with with. Until it the filling all the blacks. You always do we should do Barclay tag. This is your life. We could do a whole thing with the you know bringing you. Got Some real at he's. Glory. He Eddie such, be he it'll you've had? Now and extended opportunity over the years because of the association with with Mr Fifty. To spend time with him, but he. He. had so little exposure to the national. Turf riding scene. I had a funny side, and and was was immediately I, portrayed as as curmudgeonly and and and grouchy and this, and that which he just isn't I. It's there's a sort of a a you know of of a facade there that that once you know, once you get past it. He's he's is warm and affable and an easy to talk to, and you know when you're at Belmont particularly. More so at Belmont. It seems than Saratoga. At Belmont. When he comes over, and he's one of the trainers that'll train on the on the main track, and he'll come and lean on the fence, and and you know. You. Have Half Hour Windows, twenty minute windows to talk to him that way, and it's always it's always a pleasure, and and you always learn something I mean the he. He'll volunteer information and it just it. It's so clear that this time around on this triple crown run. You know he's just he's very different. and people are going to have a another chance to. Get the noam. I i. wish there was more media that you know were around I mean it's such a narrow focus right now. Sit I mean basically it's. It's Dave Greenwich Bobby Halt and then. On Track and That's. That's pretty much. Everything everything you just said about Barclays. Kinda comes through video because. You. See his Understated humor you know and and you see how what a really nice guy he is, and it's funny because. he he's been painted as a margin, but for years he thought I would come on come margin and I didn't eight that I. So quick and ironic I said you're the you're the margin..

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

08:51 min | 2 years ago

"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

"And the conversation for example veer into Frank Whiteley. Show Award and forego. which was was a lot of fun because Barca gave Barclays the work for frank like when you're in the during roughage to your winter. and. It just gave a really. Gloom initiating example of Frank white. We we which. Hard boot a gruff. for Middle School Talk school. Could train of thought But When it came to show ward. For though at the time. Missed widely. was really respectful. and it kind of painted really interesting picture because eventually when Shell Award. of retired and Martha Jerry. and show award. We're looking for a new training forego for nineteen seventy six. Was Mr Ward of course chose Mr White we, so that's. Kind of fun, little diversion, but As you pointed out on this show the other day, robin had a great great piece on why they stuck with manny, Franco in and you had embark. We discussed it in depth, but yeah, those those were some great videos. if I say so myself and I encourage you to watch him. Well the the fact that the Robin reached out to Ramon Dominguez for insight and and Barclay kind of provided the counterbalance to Ramones Association with the Barn and you the. Writer's been there. There's there's eras that you know when when riders. Come in to You know the the sphere. As it were with. With! A Barn and Ramon wrote a lot of the winners during during the prime of his career and for Barclay There's you know what's interesting about tag to that. Kind of long form conversation that we never seem to get to with him. We talk about some of his old early successes, but his. His origins as A Pennsylvania, horse, country, Steeplechase rider. that. you know the the origin story for for Barclay? It. was. A you know he. He's from that old school steeplechase. Them you know careers on the race track assistant. One on his own in the early seventies and Robin to I, mean Robin people don't know this but She worked as an assistant to Dr. John at Fisher the trainer and then. Some there went on her own and train the Charles town. And then later you know hooked up with Barkley when? They started dating But interestingly backstory to this Barkley. Known Robbins family for a long time and actually had known Robin. I think from from the age when bobby was five. And so you know. It's it's a long history, and then of course Two of them Developed a relationship much later on obviously but. Really Interesting Story You know Them, a their respective trained careers. 'cause you point out there. We'll deep blue and. Committed Atlantic horsemanship and It's so evident steed when you go to the barn. reminds me of old barns the. And and as a young kid actually. Sneaking into. Belmont and Teenager and I actually go over frankly responding seat him hoping for go. Like, Sixty. Seventy six, seventy seven. And you know. She Barclay reminds me of that old school that. kind of it's not bearing more So a lot of people that. Kind of remember that they they were very enthused with the. That did and it Kinda brought back memories for them to. See when I see Barclay next that actually I want to ask him a he he's from Lancaster, and and it makes me wonder. If at any point, he's had horses. For for Pechstein. Who? Who you know is she is Lancaster she? Pastor. And of course. You know with for years with with Without but I I it does occur to me that There has to be there have to be. And, also, I'm curious if Yeah and I. Barclays! Must have handled some some J. sources over the years. Not sure. That's a good question to ask them. That we're GONNA, we're. GonNa explore that we're going to I. If I may here from. From Bill Gallo momentarily with with. Until it the filling all the blacks. You always do we should do Barclay tag. This is your life. We could do a whole thing with the you know bringing you. Got Some real at he's. Glory. He Eddie such, be he it'll you've had? Now and extended opportunity over the years because of the association with with Mr Fifty. To spend time with him, but he. He. had so little exposure to the national. Turf riding scene. I had a funny side, and and was was immediately I, portrayed as as curmudgeonly and and and grouchy and this, and that which he just isn't I. It's there's a sort of a a you know of of a facade there that that once you know, once you get past it. He's he's is warm and affable and an easy to talk to, and you know when you're at Belmont particularly. More so at Belmont. It seems than Saratoga. At Belmont. When he comes over, and he's one of the trainers that'll train on the on the main track, and he'll come and lean on the fence, and and you know. You. Have Half Hour Windows, twenty minute windows to talk to him that way, and it's always it's always a pleasure, and and you always learn something I mean the he. He'll volunteer information and it just it. It's so clear that this time around on this triple crown run. You know he's just he's very different. and people are going to have a another chance to. Get the noam. I i. wish there was more media that you know were around I mean it's such a narrow focus right now. Sit I mean basically it's. It's Dave Greenwich Bobby Halt and then. On Track and That's. That's pretty much. Everything everything you just said about Barclays. Kinda comes through video because. You. See his Understated humor you know and and you see how what a really nice guy he is, and it's funny because. he he's been painted as a margin, but for years he thought I would come on come margin and I didn't eight that I. So quick and ironic I said you're the you're the margin..

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

04:14 min | 2 years ago

"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

09:08 min | 2 years ago

"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

"And it is indeed. What I thought and I WANNA thank Ben Basic for sending Tina and I as authentic king cake as you're going to have This is from Gambino's and It not only is there a king cake there's beads and and there's there's there's a medallion a floor Lee medallion. That comes with it and Oh my gosh team is going to go crazy. I don't think she's ever had king cake And of course now they're making they're making king cake everywhere and you got. You know the at the exciting the exciting wrinkle when it comes to king cake you gotta chew a little carefully because somewhere in there is baby. Jesus and You don't WanNa bite down too hard on the little the little baby. Jesus inside the king cake but I can't thank bent enough He was on with us of course with his brother and the champ and we had so much fun in Las Vegas. So I'll put up a picture of the King Cake I put the beats on. That was what the sound was. If you go we will close out. We got about ten twelve minutes to close out this Mardi gras Tuesday and his other. That's how I decorate the okay. I get decorate the icing with purple and the gold. Okay this is great We're going to close out what's been In a lot of cases at a celebration of AP and also of Tommy Trotter and Lou refer Oh joins US Luga morning morning. Steve How are you good? we're trying to walk. What are you going to do ninety three years old When it comes to Tommy and Bob Quickly Ninety Henry Marino. Ninety eight thirty one. I mean these are lives well lived and and when it comes to Tommy in particular His influence in racing offices and in the game's history is you know as impactful as API indies. Well I've fitting way to end your program because it's sort of the end of an era You know why I came around in the region office in forty five years ago when we first met Tommy while we never had I never had the pleasure of working directly with him I certainly got to know him And Tommy was part of the breed. As I said it's not just a dying breed. It's I hate to say but agreed amid people came around The keep the ration- sectors and in those days were so revered Jimmy. Gill Roll Out West but yet Kenny. No Kenny Lennox Tommy Trotter New York. I remember first time I wanted to. Races Occurs Office. It was Ken Lennox. At that time. I felt like I needed to genuflect. And that's the way they were revered. But especially Tommy. Tommy was by all indications of everybody that knew him and you look at the tweets and pollock. And what have you He was so highly regarded as a gentleman. He was so nice and again while he never worked directly with him He was racing secretary at Gulfstream in Middle dates in those days Eighty one and I had the At hialeah and it was a pleasure. I'd go over and talk to Tommy. Talk to him about his book. Try to work around book. There was a certain amount he was so well respected by everyone and Again it's indicative of everything that's been said About him and while I always fancied myself as a pretty good race and secretary I always tell people I could never be as nice as Tommy. Trotter was that's just the way was he. Just add to the day died and you would see him. He and quickly a Patera Toga. They were team. And somehow it's fitting that it would end this way I think Any would like to have the longevity that they've had the time he's had and be respected at the end of the line. The way he has been you know what's amazing and I'm glad you put it in that context about being as nice because it assigning those high weights that he did and yet nobody would argue in fact. It seems from what I've read and heard that it was almost taken as as a show of respect at that the horsemen even even appreciate it and I kind of came around with in an era Lou You know where where Bobby Frankel was. More right Bobby Wagner. He was being celebrated for fighting the way design moments. Oh wait it right. And nobody hears couldn't get mad at. Tommy. I mean you've got mad. Maybe you go outside and Scream Allen Jerkins might go kick a bucket but I mean you just couldn't get mad at Tommy but you're so right about the ways and means to joke and we put one hundred thirty pounds on cigar in the mass cap when he was living sense and that was about one last time and that was ninety six. I mean you just don't see that anymore. And but he right doing the weights. Would he put on forego what have you it was a different era they took it? I think horsemen took it as a sign of respect. You know not respect for Tommy. What he did but respect for their horse. I mean believe me. You don't think Frank Whiteley wasn't happy about a lot of these things but he would might mumble. What HAVE YOU? But they took it. Listen this is what the worst deserve like. But the game chains Incredibly so as relates to wait. But you're you're right I just don't know anybody in the business over many years. That ever had a bad word to say about timing. And that's That's you know. He is the end of an era in that regard You know I hate to think that I've now become one of the old timers. Okay but It's just the way the game is and and those days racing. Searchers were revered. I mean there were to the point. We're trying to get a quality racing secretary I am and he was one of them one of the few and as to quote a line from our good friend Bill Gallo. In those days you needed A search committee to find a quality race racing secretary nowadays. You need a search warrant the find a good race secretary as just the way it. But Tommy Tommy was. One of those guys was eve's at the top the very top and again well deserved accolades from everybody across. You know cruncher engine industry that no as as racing secretary but moreover as person one of the things that I've talked about Over the years Lou. Fatto is with us and I wanted to create if they've got these DNA family trees. I've wanted to create a tree of management and racing office personnel and And also of traitors you know where you work your way backwards of of you start with the existing era and you know who did you work under and who then who did. They work under and basically to trace back And it would be amazing to survey A couple of generations of current racing secretaries. And and see where you know where the commonality. I'm because I'm sure given given the nearly two dozen racetracks that Tommy worked at a essentially a I mean there's got to be. I mean he's got to be one of the with Jimmy kill row. He's got to be one of the foundation sires of of of Racing Secretary When it comes to the the wheel like they have they have for you know for the foundation sires of breeding. Now there's no doubt there's no doubt especially you know. And he was. You know having been in Arlington and whatever what have you of course you know. Newark. Florida and I mean I just you know a but as you said ninety ninety three years old I mean to to have that kind of life in the end to to live to the fullest as he did to have the ability to do that It just I think you would put in for that and and yes right now Like to.

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

12:35 min | 2 years ago

"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

"That is coming from my world that show world right now with this. We used to be able to go by thoroughbreds that were coming off the tracks. That was slow and weren't racist for them and it costs more money to keep them in training and their work. I think one of the bad things that happen for thoroughbred and this will probably be pretty controversial going to say was that when the person become were two or three times what the horses work then. What happens then the horse has going and those why we have Zahn to bring over from Europe because by the time that the thoroughbred get to us in the show ring they've been raised in used used up so much that there's not a whole lot laugh and we have the same problem here a little bit in the show role too was that Organizations I started getting very very strict about medication and Horses and put. We don't ever had catastrophic injuries because they're not put under the stress that making you brought eventers the eventers Tommy. The three day the eventers on the on the when they when they do the cross country. Oh yeah but they're under a lot of fire to the rate so so I I think that the I would like to see the medication. Push back a little bit longer to see if perception perception becomes reality right so racing to do a better job except field and I'm not more enough to say what that is how it should. It'd be done but I know that I you know everybody knows. I'm erasing guy so I hear what I hear. They come to me too so world people and start asking me. You know like I said it's perception and social media takes over and all you gotTa have. You'll have one bad person written or one that's really negative and that would spread like fire and one good work. Nobody pays attention into so I don't know the answer. I think that the surfaces I I know that there is much harder on Moore to then grant ah in synthetic and I was like one of the first guys fair hill and we were fair hill. The we didn't even have synthetic check. We had a wood chip track man. I wouldn't right right. I can't I can't tell you how many Mike good horses I had trouble trying to come in from Europe had trouble train on the dirt. But when I moved into the wet wipe on the Wichita because they did terrific there and one of the safest star Trek's I ever saw was the Saratoga training track. That's the great track. At least it was when my day I love it was a little bit deep but had night moisture in it and it had a nice cushion. I mean like I don't know I don't have the accent. I'm not far to figure it out but I know if we don't do something about perception raking in trouble Tom. I believe I don't want you one question as a follow up to this. I mean you you had Adler says that you know that had extensive careers and a mayor like like Germania becomes the mind who race not of on a regular basis. And how old. How long did she run? But the thing that I did was they did a article one time in the thoroughbred record about me Wayne. Wayne Lukas. Look the difference between you and Wayne Lucas and I said well and he runs more than blinkers than I do and every time I run. Oregon blinkers blinkers. They run terrible so I don't use. blinkers I win. Three million dollars of a horse but it takes me two to three to do it and he does it one year so I always believed in giving them a a break and Tried to give him. You know I figure out playing out a career former map for season and then I try to find the time us at the time was right after the Breeders Cup. You know there wasn't a whole lot of big stuff to worry about. And you know primarily sending graph. So are we ready for Florida and down for the Florida but we give them a break in That they wouldn't necessarily mean taking upon mean that we just Ryan in general or for forty five minutes a day or take him riding around him down the hill trail riding with them and stuff like that just that imitate but I I don't know in the world that was probably why now rather than reports did that stuff I I try. You know trying to trying to present as many of the sides of of these discussions as possible and and someone like you that now watching from afar and the fact that you've in your opinion because you you were certainly there before lasix was was used not a widespread basis. And you you know for you to to to make a slow turn and time fever isn't necessarily that. I'm thinking that AH I don't I believe is very good Medication for work. But I think that the perception and especially the European perception an and how they do it in Europe not saying Oh we gotta be Europe but there's more than one factor but I think that the protection from the public public right or wrong is that our horses are overmedicated and we have to change that perception and if I I like I said they're both of the guys are very conscious about medication but there's always gonna be in the. I'm GonNa tell you something else I think is really wrong is I and and God bless these guys the mega table. They're fantastic workman. Those guys got the do. I think that's really good for racing. Madan hotel population. No because what happens is then you got the guy that's got ten twelve fifteen horses and he's getting credit from a client and they're seeing that that guy I got the two hundred and fifty four in the war and actually the army's got all the bullets and all of a sudden they're put under pressure they've got to feed the family gotta to try to stay in business and maybe they have to make a decision about whether you got eighteen twenty horses and you've got to three that need to go home for a a little break out all your fifteen you don't have all the toy to come back in so one of the things that I noticed that was I was really impressed when I went to Japan. And we've got to lucky enough to be invited. The first time I went was Luke Acapa who unfortunately got hurt. There was the salvation and I went to Japan. I thought well we've got these guys over the barrel. Next time I went back with maxine because Too Blonde a second. He told her detected juicy. And that was probably GONNA buyer. You gotta take up all right. We'll do that when I got there. I wow these guys. Their horses the strong great and they figured out. They have a sort of a socialistic. System of radio is only about thirty. You're only allowed. He's going to club and they have the same bet that Horton's and they're usually go over them. You know actually here for the gambling so they ha- they make sure that everything correct and right and what's inspectors and the foul and Court who knows maybe Who get hurt? They're more than they do here. I don't know but it didn't seem that way when I was there and I was pretty impressed with it systems. They had and whatever whatever medication has got everybody got because there was three or four or five I I I don't know the only those vets they work for the sociation. They didn't work for private trainers. So that was everything they did was to be transparent for the gambler. Ambler thank thing in Hong Kong so I decided to say we have a big perception problem in our country and hope hope hoping it so the next thing is all right so we eliminate rates. But I haven't all the jobs all the services next thing what happened to all the hordes. That's not going to be a good result either. No no clean up our perception whatever way that is and and I think of rating great Ford and I know the guy to do it because they love their horses not the most Can't always be the most economical they living for twenty minutes family. I don't forever guys in the hall of fame in two years later. He doesn't have to try. Figure that one out yet that at its we've addressed this and we've we've discussed that In Fact Act One of your one of your disciples that learned plenty from you. We're going to do a thing in December and in in fact I may come right back to you when we're doing it. Chuck Simon Shock is GonNa. We're GONNA spend three days the third hour of the show each day and we're going to address things like that and it. It's a very. It's a very difficult topic. There's a lot a lot of topics that that if certainly horsemen don't want to be perceived as as grousing grousing or bidder or jealous and so they don't they don't they really don't vocalise this topic. AH AH the reality is not not everybody is cut out to merchandise themselves. And you you brought it up earlier in the conversation about the socializing aspect and being able to recruit owners. When you're I've said this many times tom over the years when you're somebody that wakes up at three forty five every day of your life to go spend time with animals seven days as a week? virtually every day of the year. You're already a unique personality. It it doesn't guarantee see that you're somebody that interested in in being around animals. It doesn't necessarily translate to as well to being around human beings in Steve. Is the one thing that I was the difference in talk about. Generational was the Guys like me in that. PD Johnson and Frank Whiteley those guys. They their their guys came up underneath them and that They don't like when they got. Listen I never would've been. PG Dodd Frank because these Johnston tell me his car. I didn't have any quiet. Some guys just retired rather Seattle and I was working for him and working as assistant helping them. You Know Riding Galvin Open orders and doing this and he said to me where you WanNa do it so he could. Well guess what. You'RE GONNA start two days because I'm going to Florida and I'm leaving go for the winter..

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

14:21 min | 2 years ago

"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

"At the races skift dog Good Morning Tommy You know I didn't WanNa let Tommy Walsh's passing go unreported and and without a an appropriate tribute. Because you know he's from kind of a previous generation To a lot of you know to a lot of today's chase fans but I mean a legendary writer. A kind of You know kind of had the same career you did right before you arrived. Yeah you know the the Patti Smith and Tommy walls and Scottish ooh offer and Bob McDonald does as kid growing up Like fish back in. I came from Virginia. Those were our heroes so we all we have a funny saying but I come from Middleburg. Virginia there's not even a stop light in the town so there's only three things that if you grow up in come from there there's only three and he would come in go show or to rape courses or ended up driving a horse fan for somebody so those guys were we really look upon them. They were stars and and in Virginia Maryland places like that. They're like true heroes in Tommy. Tommy was first of all. He was a brilliant writer very stylish wicked center Huber and I would say something that generation was toughest guy I ever knew it breaking the next day. They're back out right His family Mickey Walsh and all those peasants that like that that all comp- virus background and that was the same thing when I went to England awry that one I also found all the kids came from Ireland. He works tough as nails because I guess their ideas. Either you make it as a jockey. Go back to Ireland and picked potato so don't fall back so this hill so those ah those guys are heroes and tommy was a great horseman. Great Jockey he and his wife were a team all their life and if I understand from friends that is sick with Tommy was it was more worried about wife than him and Right to the end of his demise I think thank you hear anything. Read anything about never cry. Never say what was me. You know what they said you got X.. Amount of time. I'm just GonNa live at the best. That's I can take it day by day. That that's so guy that's why they were so Maybe the whole it's a whole different generation. The people that were like I said they were caught but they love and great rider started as he started writing for his for Mickey Right for Sir Zone. Yeah Yeah Oh yeah yeah. His uncle was up. Top is a very good friend of mine. Dave Washer Jerry. Goswell Road Mickey Walsh and they. Adora the raiders win three races that day and guess what they had to go back to the barn and help install one. I never got ahead a yourself when you were in that job or who you're with or that and that's why they I think like dotty and those guys were all great China's well because Like I said when they got they went to the barn early and after they wrote they went back to the barn and work the list of and he only road the only road. What a dozen years essentially? Yeah you know what calming harming was I think he was the type of my maybe been a little A. D. D. but you know what I got this. I'm already the bad data all right. Let's go do something else. You know I think I was a little bit the same way after I think especially after fix backward tired it was almost too easy for me. Jerry was always the guy that gave me. The competition does to try to excel. Be Better or beat them and I think Tommy wants he sort of proves body. Buddy was I think he said all right. I'm GONNA move onto the next chapter with you. Went Work for the firestone's training did very very well for them. There's a great picture picture At the hall of fame of him he he looks like he's it looks like he's twelve years old he was probably seventeen or eighteen. Ah But he. He ended up associated with a handful of champions. I'm Jay it again in that in that short burst And ooh an achievement. Tommy that is just seemingly unheard of. He won the grand national five consecutive times and in six of seven years from fifty nine to sixty five. I mean that's just seems impossible. Well Oh you got you know. I think sometimes Maybe why he did retire when you're so talented and it comes so easy for you. What else is there left to do? It came easy Tommy and I must say something very very stylish was the beautiful writer to watch it beautiful hands hands and he had great communication. I always thought Equipment Karen told me one time he says a good document. Drayton Villas Hand not a whip. Well They they they better the way things are going Tommy. The they'd they'd better. They'd better learn that on a widespread basis. Yeah that's happening to our game right now. We'll we'll actually get to that Talk to you a little bit. What about that and get some you know? Get some input from you but I just I I. I saw the news last week. And and ah you know was saddened. you know to see But I wanted people to know about him 'cause he just th. There's so many riders actually in whether it's steeplechaser flat That in that era in a kind of really before most of us became aware of the Of the game and and they sort of they they kind of fall into a a an odd category. That you just don't you. You heard the names but you don't know their you know how how much their achievements meant at the time. Yeah you know I think that the generational so I know when I was riding and Do the atoms including people in the world and they accuse me too in the job through proven yet my idea what Guy Goldie you know. It's I think that's the racial and don't take it and I'm hoping that we didn't take it personal. Oh I know like the One day I was training at Saratoga and I had a little girl that was galloping horses for me and she had trouble with horse horses getting out on the turn and so I'm saying well north getting down the turn. Don't use your left rain. You gotTA use your right rain and this and that and she looked right at me and she says that you ever ride I ever ride. Let me tell you that. Oh Yeah I wrote it bit so yeah so I don't know but you know the thing about it was that in like Comu- was surprise when people kind out sticky was and then how sick wise Georgia Angela. And he loves his wife more than anything world I mean they were. They were together all day. Training everything at the races and he was more concerned learned about him and then I think he's type of person that he was surprised that people would want to reach out and help him. Because I always think that that generates and people was you know what I'll take care of it myself. I don't want to bother anybody and does glad to find out how people really went to help him. And his wife in those guys hero and I'm glad you mentioned about him. You know moving on and training because I you know I remember you know. Certainly betting on his sources watching his sources and Missy Missy Mu I love you Comes to mind and you had the old overdone. Yep Tommy a good horseman. Not You know those guys to weren't self promoters you know they were They go to the races watching the horses run. And then afterwards Ron they go back to the Balkan they didn't go you and try to move people or entertain. I mean it's just the business changed the whole rod and You know I was the same way when I was working for Frank. Whiteley uh-huh trying to learn a little bit and I showed up the person who run award and he. You know you're GONNA come to paddock with me. Okay showed up then. I had had a coat and tie on to me. What do you got that for the racist? He's not what you're going to be doing okay. That's great you know. Break the same way. He walked over with Horton or Israel. He walked back with them. So that was it so that that type of generation Tommy One and AH offer yeah. Yeah it's funny that you the image that POPs in my head of of that scenario the old school or Smith and walking back With the Horse when Giacobbe won the Derby uh-huh and they They took the picture and John. Sheriff's turns and starts to lead starts the leader of back to the backside. Yeah and all of a sudden sudden everybody's like looking around and They're like where's your where's John. Where's and welcome back to the bar? And it's John Get back here. You GotTa take others pictures to be taken without the horse and the ad interviews and sheriff sure is ready to walk back to the back to the backside with with Giacomo. Yeah that's old school guy I really. I'm a little bit same way. I really didn't the racist. I really liked what he i. Kelly early most respected horseman. That ever was loved the rates terrific training. He didn't even go say born. You had to call them and let them know or you'd want to look over the rail. The hell he was. You Know Durkan's that's the way they were well. I didn't want to miss the a chance to pay tribute appropriately to the lay. Tommy Walsh and As I said minutes ago Tom we haven't talked the probably a couple of years but You know you you Y you're volved on the on the show side and and you and Wellington but obviously keep track of things and you watch. What the industry's dealing with the you know some thoughts About what has been a to say the least a tumultuous year that really sad. I you know it's funny how you evolve in opinion I was a New York You know it's working for PG Johnson and Frank Whiteley and those guys we we you never had pets and are born ever well. That's not true. PG Johnson had Dr Bellman do about help us a whole lot. But frankly DR starved to death. If you're a a bit working for him and I I just volved where the point was. I was a pro basic guy and then now evolved where I know that like six is helpful for you but I'm really worried about what happened because social media and the people that are really WanNa take the game down like they did with greyhound racing and stuff like that and I think for image wise. I haven't lived in Europe in Rhode over there and been there quite a bit. They don't they don't have near the the problem that we seem to have. So you have to imagine. Why is that first of all they race on a more better surface and I think that they gone to use synthetic but I know that they just use the one particular synthetic so they don't have different ones? Of course they have a more table. client climate in what we have all different parts of the country. So far we want work a little bit. Better over there I think that I know that the eighty ninety percent of the horsemen a great horseman and guides it. People never even heard of I promessi. There's some great work out there. Nobody's ever heard of really conscious about their origins and they do the best buy them. Unfortunately there might be three percent five percent cent ten percent. I don't know what that thing that don't have that conscious about. And I I.

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"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

04:07 min | 2 years ago

"frank whiteley" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

"I'm thinking oh god <hes> you know shook gone full circle rights planes been and i and i was able to you know convey about length landing avenue and you know he was champion older horse and eighty five and what are you done then in looking up his record as racist for god's track record the rebel and then he got hurt the derby like sixteen when he came back and he was so such a good great horse. Actually i remember reading the washington cedar national grasp of fog by ten lengths and <hes> so we're able to convey that could go to occasion. She asked about it the paddock back and he was talking about van landingham. I just love that stuff. You know i just love really cool talking. I mean who knows it hadn't been for atlantic him. I don't i mean i'm not saying he wouldn't i don't know the absolute story but without a van landing to really put him on the map would've been noticed to get the job and i'm not saying he wouldn't have been. I don't know the story three and it might be worth asking him some time but that's really the horse that senate everybody. Who's this guy. Oh he's pretty good right. I remember them showing up eighty-three when he had last affront thinking. I'd never heard of this guy. I wasn't following racing. Obviously extensively as i am where i would have seen he was winning talk. You every was but you notice right away. When you win win a race like the test the first time he showed up in saratoga at least i can remember i'm guessing it was the first time these name and you know he's still around wanting a lot of big. Racism should've been who are the trainers that are still around that were winning big races nearly eighties <hes> i mean the the contemporaries from that standpoint mcnally and and drysdale maybe new york new york oh new york wayne obviously not wayne in new york boy i mean <hes> there gary training thirty thirty years say him in him in him and as soon as dad died right i mean when his dad i'll go tommy and gary and ceac well all of those guys bruce levine gary gary yeah bobby barbera yeah. Those guys all came up at the same time they were all together. Show sure of course absolutely percents. There's one there's one funny aside to this about the show that you may not even you may not remember or know who who won't who owned and i don't even know the circumstance because it was a frank whiteley trainee but for whatever reason sug- saddled horse for his first great steak win in the late seventies for peter brant norther net peter and i were talking at the b._c._a. Dinner the other night and he brought up northern that to me shook salad really interesting in the apple blossom in one thousand nine hundred ninety. Wow wow now did did did should work for. I think we absolutely okay. I actually didn't write partly work for them to write barclay arkley. I didn't realize i paint barkley did thought he did. I could be wrong but i thought he did. Well i i. I've got the right guy on thursday to sort at this out there. That would be that would be has to you know actually told me i realized that peter had bought lakeville miss who of course was the damn mugambo so they sense that and and she got injured before they were able to run. That was the alabama she got injured. Ford lakeville miss came up the other day. Did you talk about like. I always talk about it. I yeah okay all right. Whatever should comes up you can. You can go on forever. He versus a long long time of course racing a lot of great horses for a long time so it's still good very good and he's not going away. <hes> you can right. That's the other part of this. He's he's going to <hes>. He's gonna have other chances but like like he said. I don't wanna undergo twenty one years again between sweden traverse. Was you know it..

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