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"When the olympics start will be the most talented team in tokyo. Hands down no question. Most talented team in tokyo with the roster that they have but this is like a five alarm fire right now howard. This loss to nigeria. I don't care if they win the rest of these pre olympic games which will take place through next sunday. This has to make you nervous if you're a fan of the team because not only is it this. The loss to nigeria. But you go back two years ago at the world championships where you had a us team. That was good. Didn't have probably better team now than they were back in two thousand nineteen but all nba players. They finished seventh. They've been seventh at the world championships. You have the seventh-place finish the loss of nigeria. How concerned are you howard beck about. Usa basketball. It's just an exhibition game. Chris oh no no. It's not just an exhibition game. Stop this team was thrown together over the last however many weeks they had what like three practices. I think i'll ever. Us team is thrown together. What are you talking about. There's no team. There's no no mid season practices for usa basketball. No but the nigerian team has been practicing. What i'm saying is some of the play in the nba though wants win the nba nba. A few of them play in the nba but that team has had time together more so than the team. Sorry brown coaching. that team. That i missed was that a facsimile of mike brown on the bench all season long. What what are we talking about. The warriors have been out for like two months kris k. Okay so two months. that's what matters. That's that's the number three three practices. Also they're still missing. I believe at least three guys because they're playing in the finals right now. Booker middleton chris paul get it. Yes not chris. Ball's not playing a holiday with the the what holland is your holiday. Those those guys will matter especially given that middleton and holiday are to the better perimeter defenders that that team. Usa has and if you look at the rest of team usa's roster. I don't see a ton of great defenders. There there are a few. I think those three guys by the way are going to be exhausted by the time they get to. They may well be. They may will be so. We're going to judge them. Judging when their whole judge when the games matter to strange to me like we don't judge nba teams based on the preseason but we judge team usa based on these exhibition games. That they do going into international competition. I feel like it's thirty. One point favorites. Why why is there betting line on a freaking exhibition better training but a little league baseball. Now country degenerates damn right. I didn't mean chris i'm with. Let's go monday. Nigeria money line. I just. I can't get too excited about this. If they lose the rest of the exhibitions does that mean something. Yeah that might be alarming if they're if they're still struggling to find some cohesion. That could be alarming. But i mean the talent is obviously their talent alone doesn't win on the international stage in style of game is different team ball matters. Shooting matters like yeah. There's a bunch of budget stuff that comes into play. But i i find the panic over this loss or at least the outcry to be a little bit much. So you don't take into account the seventh-place finish in two thousand nineteen. I mean that to me. It's the it's not just as game. The totality of it right. Like and i don't know howard like so in the early two thousands the world kind of caught up to the us ninety to ninety six thousand us. Gold maps then comes the two thousand two world championships in indianapolis and that's seven. The place finish was one of the worst worst outcomes in at least recent usa history. They got it together after that. They hired jerry colangelo. They bringing mike chef ski. They get their act together. Two thousand six two thousand eight then. They run off. Three consecutive years are three consecutive cycles of gold. Medals is argon. Made that like the world's caught up again that somewhere along the way and the last four or five years. The rest of the world has once again caught up usa basketball. I'm trying to understand this. I mean that's close games in those olympics cycles. No question about it. But i can't imagine the oh eight. Twelve or sixteen team losing nigeria. I can't exhibition or otherwise. I can't see it happening. No team and the and the one that followed it were built around like lebron koby. Carmelo enjoying wait. I mean that that groups at another level like as good as this group is that we're seeing right now as talented as they are after k. D. tatum's really good damian. Lillard is great. I mean come arbit- tatum. Bill lillard auto bio levin. Draymond dream ends up there in years but one has won some things. Jeremy grant jeremy grant zach living out of like. These are guys who have done anything in the nba yet. But they're all stars most they're they're also but are they to level of lebron kobe now but do you think is that what you're saying then is that what you're saying to be at the level you need to have like i'm saying the crop to win. I'm saying that if we're going to start comparing the twenty twenty one team to the twenty eight a two thousand eight two thousand twelve teams there is. There is not an equivalent right now. Lebron kobe laurent cobaine weight. And plus what we what. We called olympic. Mellow like carmelo. Didn't have the success in the nba. That some of his teammates did but carmelo in terms of talent level and certainly has resume like that group was at a whole other level. That group is a different level than jason. Tatum bam outta bios. Zach levine. Okay so not saying that you necessarily should have to have that level of time firepower to win an exhibition game against nigeria. Or anybody else. But i am saying comparing usa to itself different iterations of team usa. This one is not that one. This is not as dominant group as the ones we saw in eight and two thousand twelve. It just isn't what do you do like. What's the solution here. Like i mean i jerry. Colangelo deserves an enormous amount of credit for rebuilding that program when it was at. Its nadir mitra chefs. He comes in enormous amount of credit for what they did. But as we sit here in twenty twenty one like it's almost to me howard like the usa basketball rebuilding. The program became cool. Like lebron wanted to do it. Chris paul like dwayne wade. These guys wanted to do it and then they did it. And i think playing for usa basketball didn't become quite as cool as it was fifteen years ago. Like is that what has to happen like does not need to have like a fifth place finish in tokyo for all of a sudden the next generation of a-list stars wherever that may be in two thousand twenty four to come back into the mix and is that the only way this team can win. I mean i think we need to pay attention to the overall context like obviously one. These olympics were supposed to happen a year ago. They're delayed a year because of covid got durant out of it though like that right. It's questionable whether these the olympic should be happening at all still but along the way because of these back to back brutal seasons and everything else like team. Usa doesn't have james harden right now. Doesn't have anthony davis because of the injury doesn't have steph curry doesn't have kyrie irving doesn't have lebron kawai again. If your argument is that the second or third tier it sounds like sounds like insulting. Somehow but if you're saying that the next wave believe after those guys should still be good enough to dominate on the world stage. Maybe but if the point is that the team as best are they still. Are they still able to win. Gold fairly easily. Your probably but a bunch of them aren't on this team right now because of injuries and just the stress of the last year or two so this this is not necessarily representative of the best of the best right now. It just isn't and yes. They should still be good enough to win. Yes the world has caught up to some extent. No the the group that at nigeria's put it put out there last week. Does not leap off the page improbably. Us should've still want it. But again i exhibition game after like three practices. Let's see what happens with the rest of this. This schedule out brought mellow back. I mean he's not what he was four years ago. Eight years ago twelve years ago but the guy knows how to play international basketball. He might have sat. maybe. I guess. I didn't really. I assume that he just want to keep. He didn't kind of like four formerly re retire from the olympics. But it'd be pretty much says like i'm done like lebron kinda did to get talked into it. I feel like. I don't know if i was if i was the usa team would try really hard to get carmelo blake because his style. Whatever it is to the nba is perfect for the national basketball. He's a really good or national basketball player. On this subject damian lillard. He spoke for the first time. Since the hiring of chauncey billips. Only listen to what little had to say about his future in portland. I'm prepared to go in and do my job every year. Like hopefully we make strides over direction and could become a better team a new coach notice. That's where i am. What soured it sounds like. Lillard is at least nominally on board with going back to the blazers. But if i'm a team out there with assets. I don't listen to that response and say well it's over damian. Lillard is back on the same page with the portland trailblazers. If i'm a team with assets i hold onto those assets because it feels to me like the blazers might be one like sixteen to start from blowing that whole thing up with louis mccollum on the way out the door so get the sense now. That seems more likely than not that damian lillard at blazers training camp. He's in ablaze uniform. He starts the season with the portland trailblazers. But if it doesn't work with chauncey billips early and you get close that trade deadline. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see portland decide. Look we've got a. We've got to do something here and opened the door for damian lillard trade. What do you think. I think that nothing has changed. I think that his remarks last week because he sounded a little bit lukewarm. Or just you know you hear one of two things. Well you want to hear one thing if you're a portland trail blazers fan or if you're just looking for any indication that lillard is all in your you want to hear him say listen. I know things are rough right now. But i'm all in you know this is. This is where. I want to be you to repeat all the usual talking points that you hear from players in his position and that we've heard from bradley beal that we used to hear from james harden houston. Which is a win in phil in city fill in the blank with the city. I want to win here. I don't wanna go somewhere else. You know we're going to get this right blah blah. He didn't go down the usual list. And so i think it left open. Some interpretation but getting has changed like the disappointment was clear when the season ended. Some of the things have happened since including obviously the the the train wreck away they went about the the coaching search and lillard. Being caught in the crossfire. There at feeling heat from fans about chauncey billips being selected and so. I don't think we should expect he's going to be rah. Rah right now The trailblazers have a lot of work to do. But we also have not even hit the summer yet. Like there's the draft hasn't happened yet. Free agency hasn't happened yet. There's there's a lot of work to be done. And i think if you're damian lillard which you're probably doing is internally saying here's what i need to see happen externally saying you know what let's let's wait and see i mean you see. He can't he can't say publicly the same things that he's telling say neal o'shea right about what the the state of the roster i i would think that there are some very impassioned debates or discussions being held behind closed doors about what they need to get this thing right and if they can't get it right the he might shift is his stance about staying there long term. But that hasn't happened yet that we know of. What do you think the most interesting potential conversation is amongst players over these next four weeks like i'm kind of curious what jason tatum bradley beal talk about. Tatum and beal close friends dating back to their highschool days both went to the same high school bill with something of a mentor to jason. Tatum actually got him involved with his trainer. Drew hanlin which helped. Tatum elevate his his personal skills and they've talked about how happy they are to be playing together. Played the all star game together for the first time beal last year of his contract. Like you know we've seen these conversations yield real tangible conversation. You'd like to be a fly on the wall on for any of these guys in the next couple of weeks. Yeah i mean look we. We have a history now going back over a decade. If we're to believe that the that the heels were formed in part through team usa activities. You know which is true which is true. That's that's yielded an extra things guy. You know guys who you mentioned. Tatum and bill because they were already friends but guys also become friends through this experience right and then they start getting the ideas about playing together. Like oh hey. This is a lot of fun. Let's do this again in the nba. So there's i'm i'm sure some of that is is happening. It always does. Who else in that group. I mean man. If any of these guys that'd be trying to recruit bam out a bio but he's too early in his in his contract with miami to pry him loose from there And you know the heater still a pretty potent team but you know jimmy butler is up there in miles and outta bios future won't necessarily be there forever. That's the way it goes in the nba. I think tatum has the potential to be like the biggest recruiter. They're like he's about to start the first year of his max level extension. He can recruit bill. But like you can also does damian lillard like. It's great to play in boston. I love it here. Answer some questions of my have a playing on the east coast for the first time. Like i think data might be boston's best asset at this point. Yeah again some of this comes down to bradley. Beal's coming up to that point where he has the leverage to task out because of his contract lillard under contract for several more years and so he's not in that position. So what if it says. Like i need to go like. I don't foresee the blazers being no finish your contract. Just don't see it. i think right. And they would work with him on a deal to sure but directing it is harder so beal can use the leverage of his free agency to say well if you send me to team x. I'm not gonna resign there. Which then blows up that deal and he can direct himself to the team he really wants to be at lillard would have a harder time to doing that. Because he doesn't have free agency looming two to play that card. Yeah well i encourage any reporter. That's in tokyo tatum. Beal and lillard talking to each other. Just take a picture and then let the internet go wild crazy because it will unquestionably last thing for you. Howard the breaking news. This week in the coaching ranks. Is that jamal moseley is headed to orlando moseley of course last with dallas. A really well respected assistant coach there. Who was a candidate for that. Maverick job before. It went to jason kidd my immediate reaction to that higher howard beyond i think being an excellent choice for orlando is that we're gonna look at at moseley and jason kidd on parallel tracks. The next couple of years moseley. There was a strong case to be made that he should have been elevated to that head. Coaching job he'd been considered for other head coaching jobs. Before most recently in new york he had by all accounts a great relationship with luka doncic i understand bringing kit in he's got a history with dallas and as riccar lau said publicly having a player that played the game like kid and having a player that plays the game like don-shik make some sense to pair those two guys together. But there's always going to be as i watched these two situations unfold. I'm gonna wonder you know. Did the mavericks make the right choice. Leading jamaa moseley go and bringing jason kidd in and there's so many variables in this the first being at orlando's in step one or maybe even steps zero of a massive rebuild right there in the negatives right now. I think there's still maybe more fat to trim on that roster before they really bottom out. Yeah and you know you talk about trying to build around. You know markelle foltz. And and jonathan isaac jonathan isaac for so long. They're getting hurt and he's a great player but they've loved writing in a weird way john stays healthy. He's still more of a complementary store right like he's he's a potentially defensive player of the year at some point. He's not a guy who you're building an offense around though and marquel foltz okay. He he got himself back on track in orlando. He has a career now where he didn't have one but he's not a foundational building block. Come on like that's crazy so the roster doesn't have much talent jamal. Moseley's is coming into a situation. Which a lot of first time head coach is committed to which is all right. There's a lot of work to do so You're gonna have to do a lot of development. You're going to have to take a lotta lumps in the win loss column. It's gonna be rough going for the first year or two or maybe three. Let's see how they can get things going. But you know as it has been a certain other like kenny. Atkinson came to look a completely hopeless situation in brooklyn but was known as development coach in atlanta. And sure enough. Everybody who went there. Joe harris spencer. Dinwiddie jared allen versus lower. First round picks. Guys who were you know whether they were reclamation projects whether they were low picks everybody seems to get better the second they went to brooklyn and play kenny atkinson and his staff congenial. Moseley have the kind of effect in orlando can the front office. Get him to kind of guys. That will thrive in that in that kind of environment and carve out careers from cells and carbon identities. Jamal moseley has a lot going for him. And we've heard like many great things about it but we often hear great things about assistant coaches who don't end up panning out so i always. We have to caution ourselves on these things. Because i thought. Brian shaw was gonna be a great head coach and he was. Everybody loved him all the players sung as praises when he was associate head coach under frank. Vogel indiana he goes to denver probably just the wrong guy at the wrong time but he hasn't had another shot since then but that went really badly. Brett brown was really great in in some respects for the for the early years of the process and then suddenly. It seemed like they'd hit some sort of ceiling. Eager kokoschka of had been talked about for years is a great assistant. Coach didn't work out. Swells head coach in phoenix. David dale bumpy ride in memphis and then disastrous in new york. We just don't know like luke walton. Another example like there are plenty of coaches who as their when their assistance. We hear and see the best of them and then you know some of them be go on it and have great success coaches. I mean tyler has been fantastic. Mike malone has been fantastic money williams. Nick nurse dwayne casey a lotta longtime assistance. Get their shot and then you know it. It works out in a dozen. It's all contextual. It's all just the opportunity you have the thing for dallas is. They went with a guy who has experienced jason kit. That experience was not necessarily good experience. Like i think most people around the would look at what he did in milwaukee in brooklyn and say. I'm going to steer clear. Maybe you'd rather have the the unproven. Jamal moseley versus the somewhat proven jason kidd but. I don't think we'll know what the right choice was there for a while yet. Because it's it's gonna take some time before we can evaluate moseley as head coach. I maybe jason kidd learned something in two years as an assistant. I mean that happens. You know working with lebron for entire for two entire seasons working under frank vogel maybe picked up some things that'll be useful to him as a head coach. Moseley to me. The key is giving him time. Like you've got to be committed to moseley for a minimum. I think of three years and more likely five years. And then you see what you have in head coach. You mentioned gore. I mean it's worked out for phoenix. Absolutely but i do think he got hosed out there i mean he only had one year on the job and that year was without deandra aiden chris. Paul had devon booker of course but that was not a good team that he was coaching. There i gotta get moses the because you want to see what the guy can do when you put that team in a position to win a great example to me is james breglio in charlotte. I mean berea. Was one of those guys assistant coach elevated to head coaching position in charlotte. Not great first couple of years there but when he was given players and chance to win he did pretty well. I mean up until lamelo ball went out the horns were really good team and i think they will be a good team. Going forward in part because of the borrego is a pretty good coach. I want to see this magic team. Invest heavily in jamal. The you're the guy developed these guys and we'll keep you around no matter what the won loss record says until you get a chance to win then you judge like brett brown six or seven days since brett brown left but i can see the for letting go of brett brown. I mean they had a talented team and to a degree the underachieved. But you've got to let the coach get a roster on that level before you really make any decisions about whether they can coach. Yeah well and that's the thing about. This is what set up says apart. I think the good organizations from the bad ones is that you you decide when you choose a guy. Especially if he's a longtime assistant not a guy with head coaching experience. And you've said we believe in this guy. This is somebody who's got a great trekker record as an assistant. We're going to first opportunity. It's your obligation to when you say investment. Yeah it's time investment. It's a give them all the tools to succeed. Give him the time to succeed. You've decided you believe in him. So stand behind that have the conviction to stand behind that and take some bumps along the way you know maybe maybe memphis and or the knicks should have stuck with david physed longer. You know we had heard nothing but great things about fiscal coming out of miami. Initially we may yet you know. Find out that he. He can be great head coach in the right situation. Maybe those worth rights situations. He might be one of those guys though. I love physios and assist one of those guys. Though the just the temperament is always important. Like the government like memphis yet. Some battles with market assault didn't work out your plus new york. You just might be one of those guys that doesn't have the right temperament to be is based on what we've seen a memphis in new york might be better suited for these ranks but if he succeeds in l. a. I think he'll get another chance right. Maybe i think the point being though that if you as an organization have identified a guy instead he we believe in him then. Okay then believe in him. Stick with them and make sure you've given them enough tools to succeed Is it a pulling the plug at the first sign of of struggle and that's what happens in the nba. too often. is that seems panic. You know the fans turn. There's some minor flare up. Oh the coach and player got into it. Whatever it may good teams that can happen on as well. And it's it's just. It's the way franchises. React so you have to know whether or not the guy is is is right and then stick with them. And so yeah. Let's jomo's should get a nice long here. She got a ton of latitude in orlando given where they are as an organization given the state of that roster. Yeah i agree. Howard enjoy milwaukee looking forward to hearing the conversation with the lazarus on friday. You can check podcast. Right here on the crossover feet again. Make sure you listen to howard's interview. Spencer dinwiddie from last week. It was really really strong. Enjoy -joy the mid west our. We'll talk when you're back on the northeast always a pleasure. My friend the newest player in the pre nba basketball landscape is overtime. Elite elite will begin playing sometime in the fall. And we'll be headlined by some of the top now. Former high school players in the country players would be paid minimum one hundred thousand dollars with some making north of that and have access to high level facilities training as well as educational programs to help. Get a better grasp on that. I'm joined by brandon williams the head of basketball operations for overtime. Elite and kevin ollie the former. Nba guard uconn. Coach was the head coach and director of player development bread. And i want to start here with you. Just kind of give me the ten thousand foot view overtime elite. What are the objectives. What what what was behind the formation of this league. I think any of us. Chris who've been around for a long time i've actually seen Sort of the downside of young players who entered into professional ranks to this point. It's been the nba Who are not ready. And so what does that mean you know not not ready to form and be stars or is it just not ready to be great teammates or is it not ready to be good partners. is sort of all that you know the idea that the work day is much longer than they know. And that there's more responsibility to be in a professional athlete The responsibilities to families and communities we just have to do a better job preparing them and here was an opportunity to be part of a program that wanted to address all that. It's not just about being a good player. It's like we wanna address the whole athlete. Hope so on. Three levels were hitting basketball. Easiest thing understand. I think businesses in our world is education And then there's brand you know. These young people now are moving at a speed that we aren't as older folks and they want to build things An earlier age particularly off the court so building a brand is important something that can last well beyond their tread on tire so we're hitting it in basketball business brand. That's that's that's really thirty thousand foot view. Kevin what attracted you to this job. Just like his dad is the whole person being able coach them from a mind body and soul Experience and understanding the mindfulness athlete I've seen it from a pro level. Got up tune into play thirteen years with twelve different teams so i understand like the different trials and tribulations you go through with a player not saying that these players are gonna go through that but is getting them more prepared if they do come into some certain situations where it's not typically going the right way. How can they manage that situation. So what they do today can echo into tomorrow and having the ability to kana paint on a black blank. Canvas is what a really attracted to me to to this you know. Ot league program we can take the player really shape the curriculum you not with teaching them about subjects. But we're really teaching them about themselves as well from media training From mental health issues. All the different things that come involved because we all know chris is stress. You know from success is a lot of pressures is a lot of people pulling at you. It's a lot of people won't certain things. But how do you deal with that from a player's standpoint where you can play when you get on the basketball court and half clear and not be caught up in the distractions of off the court issues. Um as desks desks were really kind of vocal. Spirit to give back in it and how these kids you know. Have these players be available at the moment of truth to make the right decisions and that was very important to me. Kevin as you mentioned you played in the nba brand. You played in the nba. As well i wanna ask both of you guys and kevin. I'll start with you like if this was available to you as sixteen. seventeen year. Old looking back. Would you have founded attractive with a definitely founded attractive You know i kind of thought the box anyway. I was from chris. Shaw from from from south central and i chose connecticut. So you places that. I didn't even know nothing about growing up. You always thought out the box and never wanted to go down a path that everybody was going down So i was always curious. And i think that's how my mom especially my mom. My dad raised me. So i definitely been curious of this situation. No no speaking now without you know took it. I'm not sure. But i think it really gave me another option to look at it and this is what we're trying to do not saying that the ncaa is wrong overtime. Leaders wrong or right. It's not about that. It's about if you really care about the student. Athletes you give them as much options as possible. And i think this gives the lee student athlete. Another option and i think you know it's a very Great option for them to have and if they choose overtime league we're going to give our whole heart to make sure they're developed on and off the basketball court chris i- jumping after coach It would have been interesting. Chris but i certainly would not have been a candidate i would. Let's just get that right. What what things that's important. We sit down going through just grassroots community and we spent months just talking to people educating about. You know what we're about who we are. Each of us has a reputation in some other space. Not here The this program isn't for everybody is not the right fit for everybody. We are cherry picking and a lot of ways. These are players that feel like they are destined for professional basketball. There are a lot of sixteen year olds. That don't know that yet and their parents aren't convinced that yet in people that support them. Don't don't feel that confidence yet. They may be another year away or two years away but this is not. This is not the right path for everyone. Twenty four athletes roughly twelve per class. We're looking at juniors and seniors and the truth is at this age. What was really funny about scouting them is everybody's skinny and like a lanky and underdeveloped and still has like a mountain of upside to you know to to get through before you can really see who they're going to be but you know if you have a young player like brand williams who's just dreaming of being an nba player but does not much certainty. That's even realistic We gotta be very careful about this approach In taking because there there are risks but for those that that have already established in this deke. They've established a day of separated from their class. You know jaylen. Lewis has an example the most recent example. He's he's he's elevated in separate. The draft isn't tomorrow though so there's still a lot of work to do but he's already in front running physician and it gives everyone low confidence that this is the kind of investment and the kind of pet that would make a ton of sense for players like that. Let me follow up on that brandon. Because you're you're entering. What suddenly become a fairly crowded space in terms of leagues like this. You know the g. league ignite is one season in but they've had a measure of success. We've seen jalen green probably a top pick. Jonathan kamenga top five or six. Then you have the ncw with this. Recent ruling allowing top players to make money off their name image and likeness. How does how does the elite separate itself from that group. Why think i is. We start a little bit sooner so the g. league zone a great job with what we call it a year the prep year that year. That a recent graduates would be going to college and they've already been hacking the system you know going to italy or china So so there's a market for those players and we want an alternative to college for for for us though. Our players are seeking an alternative to high school so we are a school but we think about the resources that were bringing to the table first of which being an nba like environment You know start coach. Ali coach lehto in a robust set of staff. I mean scouting staff a high performance staff administrative team. Our goal was to simulate an nba organization for for young athletes at sixteen seventeen eighteen. Th there there is no other environment. Like that. And i think the big way that we separate with high school athletes Is that both domestically and internationally. We're able to put twenty four of them together in a building. So what we're selling is the best competition for these guys starts at home. I mean every day in line coaches don't minister drills administer competition aspects of practice and getting ready for games but when you look to the right and left and i noticed as a player. There's no weak link. I mean everywhere you look. There's somebody that's doing what you're doing and possibly doing more. Because they they are not just dreamed about the into the league or to the high level. They're on their way there That's where we've been able to. I think create a little separation from others that have tried or looked at something. Like this kevin. How do you approach this job. Do you do it in a similar mindset and you had at uconn where you have young players you also you know yukon. You had to keep them academically eligible you to follow that pretty closely. I mean is there is it a similar mindset or do you take a different tact. I think you just let it be you know. Similar is not. It's just whatever comes you say yes to it and you cultivate hope from it I never coached high school players. They was always you know graduated from high school. And now they're freshman's This situation is a little different in in was recruiting for two to three years. This situation is a little different. But you know from me. Chris i love the unknown about it. And that's the space i live in. Not just wanna make sure that. I have the space incorporate something in these players that they can just think about it can build from a have a foundation so when they make the transition they have every tool in the toolbox to say okay. Oh that's a problem Assess it let me be able to correct it. Let me obsessed. Let me be aware of it and i think that's the difference between you know coaching a high school kid in in the college. Kid i mean you get able to mold them a little bit better and then you have to understand where they at. Now you know back then. I didn't have social media. We didn't have social media now. These kids these players are building their brand a little bit earlier and now you just meet them where they are. And i can't wait to get them up on campus get them up until atlanta just continue to build a great relationship. Welcome spend time with the one on one in. This situation is going to provide us to do a lot more skill development that i didn't have a really good opportunity and it had not one say good opportunity. I didn't have the best opportunity. Because there's so many things we own a row recruiting You own a row fundraising these different things. Brandon's taken care of in. Dan porter is taken care of. I can just really coach the player and work on his skill development on and off the basketball court. So it's really given me my own lane. So i can really perform my job. Mama job is really breaking down and relationships it starts. Relationship is start with trust. Stars will hold is spending time with the the young student athletes on and off the basketball court and pushed them to greatness and the competition is not on. our side of competition is with him. You know can you beat your previous best bestself. Can you be better than today you know. Can you be better tomorrow than you were date. And that's what i'm coaching. And that's what i love to do. And i think we're going to have some great young man as open as biden has going to be vulnerable going to try to reach for the sky. In the sky is going to be ob- you is not going to be limits. I can't wait to get up to atlanta. We've been having some many camps. Chris has been wonderful to get back on the court with the guys. And i'm looking forward to the next mini camp and dan looking forward to getting them up to atlanta. So we really can go to work. You know when. I was was talking to brian. shaw a couple of months ago. Kevin about how he was coaching. The ignite you know it was a lot of pro stop. He was trying to bring to that team. Are you taking that same. Approach you trying to coach them like their nba players or something different. No it's nothing different is just. I'm building pro. Habits in every situation is going to be different. Chris this is going to be some guys. Come in you know. Say for instance like a. John montero will we got him and he you know is a little bit more advanced than some other players because he's been a pro- already and then it's going to be another situation where we gotta talented guy might not be able to get quick but these opportunities we can go at our own pace we can sit down and talk to them but we're really teaching and building pro habits and those habits is going to translate over to them being great pros when that opportunity come invest in the nba are the euro league so every day you know we are building like a practice plan like more of a college practice plan nba practice bandwidth doing drills. That i got from my numerous stops in the nba. You know we're doing sets in the nba. Then we gotta understand that sixteen years old as well you know and maybe sometimes you gotta you know kinda doubt it down a little bit. But i'm gonna let com. I'm going to let that go. i'm not going to focus on one of it. I'm not gonna say oh. We're doing this process. Each and every day every day is different. And that's what i love about the unknown. And i'm gonna treat it like that and we just gonna continue to bill because i think we got great mas and organization that really want to coach the whole person. And that's what i'm really excited about. You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. Power washer said a patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you use your bank of america. Customized cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback online shopping and up to five point. 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Divers inventors patent and unleash economic opportunity. Find out at invent together dot org learn more and take action today brandon not to continue to compare this team to the ignite but when i talked to sharieff abderrahim about that i mean. I had asked him about the sustainability of that team. Given how much. Money was being poured in to pay some of the players. And he bobbed and weaved floyd mayweather trying to answer that question. Because it's it's hard to commit to it without say a television contract more sponsorships and things like that when you can you speak to kind of the sustainability of this because we've seen startups with an influx of cash. Get get in big the first year. But then peter out. I mean what needs to happen. Four overtime elite to become a long term successful program while has got to answers. I think you know a concept. I mean we're we're selling on the ability to develop young players and have a more more pro ready right. So this is. This is the path we are offering basketball development. Call it professional Business development And we are also like leveraging. What is an incredible media platform that again. The things that we like to call a distinguishing factors. That's a huge one. So not to bob and weave one. We gotta be good ass. You know that. That's how have long deputy spurs the spurs. They were good for really long time. And so we've got the that there were good at this note. No pressure on kale right The the the second piece though is you know and this comes from my my time in the nba. It just wasn't that long ago where it out of chicago. Pre-draft combine interview. If i said. I wanna build my brand. Everybody in the room was like smirking and like you know what. What are we talking about like. It's about basketball basketball basketball And you know if you are young team developing and not winning a lot of games truth is you can't sell just basketball because your basketball isn't great you got to sell personalities and stories in that there's something that people can invest in in fall in love with other than like the final score like otherwise. The sixers had no chance right any any development team yet to buy into a story and for us. I think we have a chance to create stories but we get a chance to show those stories because we have a platform. So it's it doesn't take much. I mean i'm not a social media guru. But when i got recruited for this job haven't been around the block a little bit certainly from an nba perspective. I heard a couple of things. I really got my attention. One was fifty million followers That's eyeballs and we all know that that Business follows the eyeballs in whatever in whatever respect. The other was which is unfair. Because i think that number changes month over month but it started at one point four and not set maybe one point eight or one point nine billion with a b. billion views of content a month that overtime in some ways has found a way to the heart. The mind of young people It is being communicated and solid as you know the generation z. sort media and content engine We are doing an amazing thing here which is developing young talent in a pure way that we want to make sure that they are prepared. Top to bottom to do well on the court to do well and communities to do well in business but then there's this other thing which is they want to be known like. No player wants to play in an empty building. Everybody wants to play where it matters. They wanna play. When nick can rock and like the building and just like recognizing their talent. We're just artists. And one thing that is kind of showcase. By one event that that overtime overtime the media company producing s called. You see it on youtube to. Is that over. Hundred million people watched that. I mean that that's not an insignificant number that players that are going to play overtime. Lee will have the opportunity to be known The the opportunity of bring brick big brands to the table and support this platform If not already indicated by the kinds of investors that that have shown interest but the brands that are coming to the table our sustainability is going to be showing value delivering value to not just the athletes but to overtime visibility. I would imagine great for them but can you monetize it. Can you make it so this league is in the black or does it need to be in the black every year. Well my the good news is as a basketball man. No different than a different than the is Get a budget. My job is to be fishing and and spend wisely. I i'm not. I'm not asked to sell tickets or generate revenue that's for a tremendous And in successful a business operations Our job is to make sure that what we are delivering is high is a high level product That you see the growth and development of our young players. What's there recruited. We gotta make them better. They need to be able to perform and probably the best testament of our success is going to be our nba. Gm voting with this pick right but with a coach saying like they did a nice job. This guy was. Well coached testament to takeo and the rest of the coaching staff. That if we're doing that will prove successful. Because guess what the next crop of recruits when we're in the gym like we're not chasing them. There's sort of meeting us at at minimum half way. We need to keep bringing high level taliban and developing talent to prove successful and i have a tremendous set of partners across academics and across content media. That will will do their part to elevate our business. Can you expecting to tap into some of your. nba relationships. I mean as you mentioned thirteen teams in twelve seasons. You've made a lot of friends over the years. We're going to see like san preston sitting in the crowd for your practices as a whole so sam and so many gyms that i know you know Kevin durant and all these guys are destinies in overtime. Just having them be around. We had our first minicamp. Ray allen showed up and not only showed up. He brought his son to work out with guys. Just it was just amazing. does just see how the branches that we can continue to pull up on and they continue to pull on us and be a partnership in. This thing is going to be great. Are you expecting to have kind of drop ins. Durant's involved with the league. You expecting these guys. Just be around. Which i would imagine would be both a resource for you but also an attractive quality to this league definitely. Definitely we going to build a place where it's going to be hopefully a development premier development destination for everybody and you know hopefully katie can come out and work out with guys and russell westbrook and james harden and all these guys that we know and i know i had opportunity to be evolved. Then it's kinda beat a veteran guys We want them to be around. Because it's not. Just me sean. It's also watching tape like these are the different drills and look how k. d. and look how chris paul is using the pick and rolls and now they're showing up that's a that's a big big bang for us with us growing these young talented student athletes To get them inspired to the next level and they're doing a great job done only gonna do. I coached him. Chris a coach me on a day to day basis. I'm open to that and we just really want to have a love affair with guys and and the end of the day chris. We want appease the basketball guys. We wanna play the right way. We want to share a basketball. We wanna run. We wanna have fun. We want how to join the game but it can't just be me me me. It has to be weak. And i'm wanting to teach guys how to be involved in any system they get drafted about. They can be a part of a productive system and be a productive partner in in the community as well no matter what city they when they arrive to the nba brandon. Before let you go. What schedule gonna look like i mean is this team playing. Just walk me through kind of what these kids are getting into. And what kind of schedule you gonna be able to put together so schedule that that is really interesting for everybody. And i wanna try to illuminate. But i've got to be careful we are still contracting with some teams But for the audience the think about it in buckets. We're gonna play independent prep schools. That's going to be a significant part of our schedule. We are a high school so we are looking to schedule. Some of the top independence that you would typically no to have a national schedule can travel that have the ability to be mobile. We're scheduling home and away with with With those folks and it looks like net set as an example It looks like you know. Folks that are playing for a national title Arizona florida california. So it'll be a widespread travel schedule for us. We're also looking at European competition so think about junior euroleague as an example. Some of the best clubs the Insects as an example Where we can get a collection of sixteen to nineteen year old elite talent to compete against us. And then as i mentioned earlier on the show we really feel like the best competition is gonna come internally and that's where our league play Comes into effect so we are looking at our group of twenty four as three teams of eight. There will be standings you'll be able to track will compete against each other. That'll be a significant part of our schedule as well. We don't want to overstep our guys one of the things. We really wanna correct leading science. Guide us here. is is minimized the wear and tear. Nobody's while still developing and preparing for a professional level place so a schedule of maybe thirty five. To forty games is our target. We started september Training camp will will begin Play by mid august. We'll be done by by Late march is how we see our schedule shaping up i'm looking forward to it brennan kevin. It's a really interesting concept and hope you guys have a lot of success with an. I'll certainly be watching a lot of. Nba people will be watching but brandon. Stay out of a set of massachusetts. Kevin has like some basketball. Ptsd from all those bc. Matchups i'm sure would probably were so tough. I don't remember kevin. It's not real like talk about it. But lita past. We'd be six thousand. That's not very nice. That's hovering kevin brand. Thanks for joining me. I appreciate it all right. Thank you chris. Thanks so much.
Lakers vs Suns: Davis, Schroder and Drummond Shine
"Great laker suns game. It was chris. Paul by the way only played twenty three minutes and the lakers had do hang on for the win. If i'm frank vogel. This morning lakers coach. He's been in a lot of these playoff series. I had a restless restless night's sleep. So anthony davis was not only fantastic but super aggressive. He know us play like that. Dennis schreuder may have played his best game as a laker. Certainly as best playoff game. It's not even close okay. He was great last night. Andre drummond was super effective and lebron played well and we held on to beat phoenix in trouble in the fourth and chris. Paul wasn't around the end. And i'm not sure chris balls got more than fifty percent of a right now
Lakers vs Suns: Schroder and Drummond Shine, But What's With Chris Paul's Shoulder?
"I don't know this is not a good night for the clippers but that was a great great laker suns game. It was chris. Paul by the way only played twenty three minutes and the lakers had do hang on for the win. If i'm frank vogel. This morning lakers coach. He's been in a lot of these playoff series. I had a restless restless night's sleep. So anthony davis was not only fantastic but super aggressive. He know us play like that. Dennis schreuder may have played his best game as a laker. Certainly as best playoff game. It's not even close okay. He was great last night. Andre drummond was super effective and lebron played well and we held on to beat phoenix in trouble in the fourth and chris. Paul wasn't around the end. And i'm not sure chris balls got more than fifty percent of a right now
Is Lebron's Ankle Injured Following the Lakers Win?
"We having a liberal a LeBron James update from Vogel in his postgame conference says of LeBron and his ankle. He's good to go. There are no issues with his right ankle Great. You go. That's so that that there you go, there's great news for the Lakers and LeBron just good to go. Like we said, you know there was that. I think it was one of those situations where for a moment, Braun went. Oh no, right. Right. You know, he probably used a four-letter word, right? Instead of saying, oh no, but he was probably a little bit worried for a split second and then he realized, okay, I'm good. You know, if you've turned your ankle before if you've been out there on the court and you've done that, you know, when you kind of do it a little bit and you're worried for a split second and then you realize. Okay, I'm actually I'm good. I think that's wrong with LeBron and Frank Vogel confirms. He's good to go. So that's great.
Lakers Fall to Knicks as Turnover Problems Persist
"My goodness they put on a passage clinic tonight in how not to throw a post-entry pass. They threw the ball everywhere but where it needed to go in that was sure frustrating. Yeah, and you know the Knicks they are they are incredible defensive team actually and you know, it's kind of it's it's nice to see Julius Randle playing so well off the same time. You don't like to see him. Obviously, you know, this was the Julius Randle Revenge game. We had kind of made reference to that in a really kind of turned into that. But yeah, as far as the big man Montrezl Harrell Draymond Green were effectively almost neutered and I I mean, I texted one point Rez looked like he was getting abused by Taj Gibson, you know, and you know, they were they just thought I'd like to you know, one point in me if the games to Lance was doing commentary. I don't know if you got that version, but I wouldn't like to see if the Lakers went really small to counteract the what they were doing on the interior, but then right after school and said that actually Frank Vogel decided to bring Casal and so for mantra so they went the the other route blood no matter what we looking at the page. Whole game I'm I personally I know a lot of people might be upset. But I personally am giving the Lakers actually a pass on this one and
Los Angeles Lakers Defeat Toronto Raptors
"Is the Lakers Nation live postgame show in your Lakers just picked up a much-needed win against the Toronto Raptors dominant performance. The three pointers finally start to fall in love to see that the game got a little bit Scrappy we're going to talk about what happened there dentist router what's going on some, you know a little bit of a confrontation with Coach Frank Vogel all kinds of stuff to dive into tonight joining me is Matt Peralta from lakersnation.com Matt, so nice to be able to come out here and talk about a win especially given the the current situation. The Lakers are in in the Stanley Cup. Yeah, I'm happy we need wins right now. We we need to take them. However, we get them Toronto was one of the games I scheduled that was scheduled. I was like, oh the Lakers should probably win this one especially since they're so short-handed that came out and did just that so, you know, I feel pretty good that we're treading water and that's all you know. I said going into this game that just like the game against the Sacramento Kings because this was a winnable game that inherently makes it a must begin because frankly the Lakers are going to have games where they just don't have the Firepower to keep up with some of these other teams. For example, we saw that against the Clippers the other day but tonight being a winnable game. They had to come out approach it as a must-win and I feel like they did the energy on both ends of the floor the execution and was on a different level and that was so great to see to see them step up coming off that loss to the Clippers. I was really pleased with what we saw will get into all the different players because there were so many guys tonight. Like I'm already having trouble. Yeah figuring out who the next man up award is going to go to and not because like on Sunday, we're there just wage. Many options tonight there were two there's too many options. There's so many guys we could give this to Yeah, you you heard the the players talk after the blowout loss of the Clippers that they needed emphasized ball movement and mad movement. I think you saw a lot of that in the first half especially the first quarter where they just decided to blow the doors off the Raptors by shooting. Well from Beyond The Arc it was really impressive to see if
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"I showed up at the very end to be like rock. It's all cool right. Like you know dwayne remember when you did seventy show the back of the day. We're friends though. It's good like i got cold in at the end of it but i mean there was some crazy. I i thought somebody who's going to get killed on the concave one because he took off and like jumped on top of a moving car. And like you. I mean there were some like were borderline dangerous. I i guess the one question is to whether or not you could be done. Today is legal because we were right on the edge like we always had a lawyer screaming out of control for every one of these things. And so now i mean people a little more the teachers and it might not be able to go off a couple more minutes left here with ashton kutcher on the anniversary of punked a lot of bears fans think they are being pumped right now by the signing of andy dalton are you one of them ashton kutcher. Are you talking about the orange rifle. That one i mean he. Here's the thing like i. My my mom always told me when. I got the dinner table. You get what you get. Don't get upset right so You know i'm looking at andy dalton and i'm like i always try to find like the good side of it You know one we. We have a first round a second round a third round fifth rat or a fifth round draft. Pick next year. So you know we didn't have to give up the world right. And and if we if we would have got russell wilson it. It sounds like that deal would have given up the given a franchise. We need an offensive line like we need. We need depth in our offense of line. Daniels went down last year and it was obvious like we. It's why we had a good run at the beginning of the season and it fell off. Is that we. We're playing the offensive line shuffled game all year. And because we just don't have the depth there. So i'm happy that we've got some draft picks. I'm happy that we still have some. You know powder in the chamber and look if you look at dalton like through his career you know. I think last year like i he. He's always hovered around like sixty. Plus percent completion. Y- rate and and and that's good news right because you know trubisky when under pressure couldn't hit the broad side of a bar So i'm excited to have a guy that can deliver deliver the football on target And you know other than like that. His last year in cincinnati. That was kind of like he knew he was out the door. And it's kind of ugly. He's had he. He's played well And we got robinson we got the franchise tag on and miller is great and and mooney. Is you know a a really promising young talent. So he's got some receivers so maybe we can get an offensive line and and our defenses joe so and we have a new defensive coordinator. That's that's a little you know. We'll see he's been he's been with france for awhile. He's safeties coach. But what you know. I actually think it's a smart move All in all given you know we can get russell wilson. But he'd probably get hurt if he can't bolster our offensive line to keep him cheating upright and then and then you spend all your draft picks in all your money on a guy who's just got hurt because you couldn't protect it all right. So you're you're you're you're being positive about it and i appreciate the glass half full right there and You know and our radio audience is going to be going away in in about thirty seconds. Time will continue this conversation on our peacock side for just a couple of minutes before we say farewell to ashton kutcher but we do have a segment. Here ashton called higher register where we have to go up here in order to believe what we're saying. You did start a little high register about andy like you know. I mean he's got that sixty percent completion present like. I did go a little higher register on me there ashton. You know this is this guy for the future of the organization. I i don't know. But i also don't think that were picking up a guy in like the what the eleventh year of his career and thinking that this is the guy for the future of the organization. So you know he might be a guy that can tend that he. He's the guy that give this a shot. I went back and this is the rich eisen show..
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"And i just thought it was the funniest thing when i was when i was younger I still think it's really funny But drew a slightly different lens today. But i always thought that that was. That was the funniest thing. I and and i watched candid camera and things like that. But i felt like candid camera. Never quite took it far enough and it just didn't have the edge of like the jerky boys that would that they would go all the way there And so that's that's really sort of and back and forth with my producing partner at the time this idea of like. Can we make a show. That's like jerky boys and none of my representation wanted me to do it. They were like you know you're an actor. You're not going to be seen as a serious actor. If you're going do reality show. And i was like now i wanna make this and i wanna do this and i was doing the seventy show at the time and shooting some films and And i was like nominee. Do i wanna do on mtv mtv. And they're like okay we we'll do the show but you've gotta you've gotta pull the pranks on celebrities. And i was like all right And that's that's that's sort of how it came to be so when you saying didn't think candid camera committed or to the bit or committed to the prank faren off. Are you referring to making justin timberlake. Think his home was being reported by the irs. For instance that sort of thing like making beyond they think that you've ruined christmas 'cause drop the tree. There was like you know the ceremonial christmas tree in the middle of the century city Like having you having undercover agents. Come in but the gambling ring Like bus through windows that kind of thing. So which celebrity was the most upset or by by being punked ashton. I imagine when it was first. Starting they're probably been like what gives and then obviously when the phrase even got out there that people you know pulling pranks and just everyday life the word punking somebody to this day still even exists before you reach that i imagine or even when you did reach that sort of status which celebrity got the most upset with you liberty most upset me because i don't own the show punked wasn't wasn't wise enough back then to know that i should own it But i think you know the people that took it that they had the hardest time with it comedian Which is interesting. You think that they would love it. i but comedians like to be in control of the joke. They don't want the joke to be on them unless they're making the joke about themselves. And so oftentimes we would do a punk on a comedian and they were get really They just wouldn't be happy about it. and then there were a couple. Instances where like you know like. I think a rod was in the middle of like a trade deal and he was talking about it with friends and that was on camera. And he's like no you gotta burn the tapes And and then there was one where somebody pulled out a gun. Show Now i'm listening. I'm like would somebody pulled out a gun Yeah somebody pulled out a firearm in the middle of it it got a little got a little heated You know at the end. Everybody was cool with it. I don't think anybody holds a grudge On it i think it's just in in that moment People would get pretty upset. Like zach braff like a kid like people got upset. He beat up. He'd beat somebody out because he was there was like a we we. We had a kid that he he wasn't a kid but he looked like a kid and he was like spray painting his porsche In a parking lot just started like sort of getting physical with him And we had to go. You gotta go call nutshell gotta tap that one out because okay so at some point along gets crossing. So you're saying ashton kutcher. A rod was caught on tape talking about inside literally and thus when the punking was revealed. He's like yeah. You're you're not airing. That did anything air from him or did. Nah now we we. Literally we pulled the film. They destroyed it in front of them. Got because that was the thing about the show which is Unlike a lot of the other shows that are out there. We every single person who was ever on punked signed a release. That said. it's okay to air this right like we didn't air anything anyone without their permission and and you know it seems that line has been crossed nowadays but back then that that that was the deal and and we you know we honored that like if we got to the end of it and someone was like no not cool. We're not air. You can't air it. We didn't and and in that case he he made it destroy the destroy. The tapes ashton kutcher here on the rich eisen show. You think it could be done today. I mean social media being what it is. It could be shared left and right up down. You know that. You're you're the first guy i individually get a million folks on twitter. That way was twelve years ago Do you think this could be done again. Rebooted ashton yeah with the right right people could get done again. I actually think the interesting way to do it would be Do it through. Nfc's and like actually shoot a punk and make make the prank itself in the video and nfc where there was a royalty right where the person who got pranked actually owned a piece of it for perpetuity and then people could buy sell trade it. Let's put out You let's let's Let's push that out Ashton rich one thing. You were talking about people getting mad. There was one time when you know because punk got to be so big that you know at the beginning ashton was there for all of them but then as his career took off and you had to do seventy show and movies. It was like well. If we want to get rich in mike and chris were helping set us up and we can only get you at this time and this date couldn't be there. We still have to do it like this has to go on right so the rock were punking the rock. He's shooting the movie. be cool. The director f. Gary gray's the accomplice right so ashton's not there. He's doing a night. Shoot so jason. Goldberg and i were running the punked that day and we blew up the rocks trailer like his trailer for the movie. Got blown up and as reveals starts to come you know. We had our to fill. Agents whitney cummings was one in a vince. Green was another in their kind of poking at the rock like well. It's kind of your fault. I asked you about like plugging in an iron. And like they're basically insinuating it is. It's his fault and he's being cool but you could see the rock is starting to now get more and more upset cooking. Everybody's pointed at him and saying this is your fault. He's talking about his lava lavas. Which are samoan Wrap that he would wear and finally our guy vince. Who's really good at agitating people said some in the rock kind of like made a move towards and everybody swarmed f. Gary gray had to jump in and go. Hey guess what you've been puck and like you could see the rock seething and it was about ten seconds where he was from one hundred mad to he calmed down. Okay and then. I had met him before so i was like the first person from production who went up to approach him and be like. Hey bro everything. I was a little bit worried about that one. But you know ask them. Wasn't there for that one and it was a report on that. I'm sure ashton by the end of the day. Yeah i i actually got called in to like..
Los Angeles Lakers Scorched By Miami Heat
"Lakers do lose to the Miami Heat. Oh Alex Caruso had a chance to tie it up at the buzzer, but misses the shot was not an easy shot by came up just short gruesome misses and the Lakers do fall to the Miami Heat LeBron. James had a bit off of an off night and we have to remember of course Dennis Shooters still out and not going to miss two more games. They are really struggling to get offense going without him. And of course Anthony Davis out as well and he'll be out for at least the next four weeks or so, which will take him out all the way through a little bit past the old star breaks up the Lakers clearly struggling clearly undermanned and we got a lot to talk about because there's some rumors popping up about what the Lakers might do about it and some people that they dead Try to bring in so a lot to break down joining me tonight. We've got Chris the Masterpiece Masters Chris. How you doing, man? I'm okay disappointing disappointing loss. It was it was a weird game. I know we're going to get into all of it. But you know, there's the world we live in when you don't have off Anthony Davis and then to a compound things you don't have demonstrated or who plays a big role for our team. So 12 plus tonight. Yeah, let's get on here. I think that the schruder think really is it's a big deal. It really is. It's a big deal to not have him out there because of what he brings in terms of the skill set his ability to get into the paint his ability to run the offense. You can just see it when LeBron is not on the floor. I mean, you're you're you're hanging on the edge of the cliff and you're just praying that your drink it doesn't give out and you just tumble over the edge. That's what they're doing right now when LeBron's not on the floor, it's like it's like Frank Vogel is just constantly watching the clock one. Can I put it back in yet? Can I put them back in yet? Because any minute that LeBron is not on the floor the Lakers offense looks dead. Lately lost because they don't have anybody that can really be a threat off the dribble. They can get into the paint and do anything from there. And and so it's a bit of a mess. They're just trying to hold on for dear life reminds me a little of the Lakers bench Squad last year except right now. You don't have Anthony Davis to help claw you back into games either. So it's that's certainly a challenge and Dennis Schroder is going to miss two thousand more games. No, he did test negative for covid-19 will do to contact tracing he is out for two more games. So this is going to be a couple more games where the Lakers have to grind it out without some really key pieces here.
Los Angeles Lakers go in short-handed and fall to the Brooklyn Nets
"Lakers dropped the game to the Nets got blown out was not pretty wind up losing this one. It was 109 2098. Ouch out not good. We're going to break down exactly what happened and put a little bit of context into it. What does this mean for the Lakers moving forward now that you've lost this was a game that a lot of people look forward to a lot of people had this game marked on their calendars did the Lakers maybe not and there's a lot of different things for us to to get into here the team didn't play. Well, there's no question and we'll talk a little bit about that. But I think where we need to start is that the Lakers were down two starters and yes, it's fair to mention that the Nets were also Down Kevin Durant. That's a giant loss. The Lakers were down Anthony Davis age. A giant loss. They were also down Dennis Schroder and I thought that was a bigger loss than he would be on most nights because the Nets defense is so poor. I think schruder would have had a very good game tonight. Just living in the paint getting to the rim creating Havoc. He would have made a difference out there for the Lakers certainly, but unfortunately was not able to go do to contact tracing with all the cobit stuff going on. So, you know, that was that was definitely unfortunate. We certainly didn't get the kind of finals preview matchup that people have been thinking we would get from this game because you're missing those star players. I don't think we got a very good representation of who the Lakers are as a team. I also don't think we got a great representation of who the Nets are because they're so different with Kevin Durant, but we did find out that the Nets love to shoot lots and lots of threes and make a lot of them tonight. Let's finish the game shooting just 46% from 3, but that doesn't tell the whole story. They were 50% or better for almost the entire game. It was until the end that they dropped off doing a great job generating open Thurs. And the Lakers Defenders were struggling to get out there and get a hand up and they were knocking them down. Joe Harris ridiculous 647 from 3 for 21 points. I said, this is a pregame video game. But one thing that they couldn't do was allow another guy to get going if Kyrie gets his points if James Harden gets his points you're going to live with that you're going to try to make life as difficult as you can on them, but you can't allow another guide to get going in and this game Joe Harris certainly did again dropping 21 points and then you gave up 15 to Timothy Loma Carrboro 2015 points to TLC not great. They're from the Lakers side of things LeBron. James had to pretty much do everything 32.8 board 7 assists 33 minutes glad that he only played 33 minutes. No reason for you to burn him out in this game when it was clearly won. The Nets were going to win especially once they got into the second half LeBron 146 from three three of six from the line, okay? One of the only other guys in double-figures was sixteen and ten. So we got a double-double Montrezl Harrell with ten points. Nobody else really did a whole lot out there. Nobody else did did much on the offensive end. You had nine points from k c p but just 145 from 3 West Matthews who started and played some shooter 144 shooting o of two from deep in 24 minutes Mark assault eight points did shoot for 3:00. So I'd like to see them in four to five threes a night did shoot for hit two of them. So you'll take that but the Lakers on the night shooting just 27% from 3 that slide from behind the three-point line at one point. They were third in the NBA in 3-point percentage and they have dropped dramatically since then and in fact last game they were up just about forty percent from three against the wolves and that was the first game in a while they'd been even better than league-average from deep and that's usually about thirty-five thirty-six percent tonight shooting just 27% That's with me rounding up. That's not good enough that will not get it done 6 a.m. Turnovers on the night as well. That's not a good sign either pretty much everywhere things could have gone wrong for the Lakers. They they really did ten offensive rebounds compared to 8 to the Brooklyn Nets. The brake pads are terrible rebounding team. That was a place where the Lakers needed to dominate 24 free throw attempts for the Nets compared to just 14 for the Lakers each and every spot along the way where the lake she really needed to win that particular area free throw attempts 3-point percentage turnovers, the Nets came out on top and because of that they won the game and wanted thousand Ali so I wouldn't be taking your questions and comments, but I guess before we get into everything. How much do we really take away from this knowing? There's no Anthony Davis knowing there's no Dennis Schroder knowing that the Lakers how many times tonight did we see the Lakers throw out lineups that we've never seen before with five men groups that literally have not played a single minute together yet. Not played a minute. That matters and I know we get some people who say it always but you can't make excuses. You can't you know, you have to go out there and win every single game. I'm just telling you what happened in the game. We saw the Lakers defense breakdown thought that was the Nets offense was really good part of that was the Lakers energy wasn't there part of that was also that they were playing an unfamiliar groupings and defense being something where everybody has to be on the same page. You get defensive breakdowns like this when you throw a line up together add necessity, I don't blame Frank Vogel here. You have no shooter. No Anthony Davis your entire rotation changes and you're winding up throwing out these kind of bizarre lineups out on the court and that's going to create defense of break that breakdowns. It's going to lead to open looks because you guys aren't used to knowing exactly where they're going to switch off their defense of responsibilities are it's a tough situation to be in and so I don't want to make excuses for the Lakers energy. I think they should have played with more energy with more Pace should
Anthony Davis Disappoints in Lakers Loss
"Season You Look Tonight five of ten from the free throw line and a game that you lose by a point. Yes. That is the first step you're going to look at and that is frustrating. If you look at the rest of a stat line, he was fine 23-point skateboards to assist brought suck. If you're watching this game and you look at the stat line, this is one of those games where a d stats maybe don't live up to the way he played on the floor particularly the way he really got torched by Joell embiid a number of times. This is where the Lakers really needed Defensive Player of the Year Anthony Davis to step up and do something against your will and be instead and be puts up 28 points gets to the free-throw line thirteen times. In fact, I'm at the point where I'm about ready to move called Joel embiid Center Harden. I think that's what we should call him at this point just sent her hardened because that's basically what he is when you see his moves on the offensive end. He does the exact same thing shoot his lungs out. Look for someone else's arms are flailing to and then go from there, but it works for him. He had a nice night and I thought he'd beat a d a little bit too easily on a number of possessions. David's just hasn't quite had the energy that we've expected to see out of him again. The shooting on the night wasn't bad. But oh of three from 3, remember, we were told early in the season that Frank Vogel wanted him to shoot off. Five 3-pointers per game that is definitely not happened. And in the Lakers three point shooting tonight was an issue in general. But Anthony Davis just didn't have the game that you wanted to see out of him. You wanted to seem really step up and have a big night against a guy like Joel embiid who talks a lot who was talking a lot to a d during the game a guy who is in a candidate for MVP. I think LeBron James should get it but service is a candidate there this early in the season and anything he Davis I just didn't see that big kind of effort out of him that I think we need to see
NBA Schedule 2020-21: League Releases Official 1st Half of Regular-Season Slate
"Scheduled did come out today. I did notice that. I was able to take a look at that. And for the lakers. I like you know. Look everyone's gonna focus on the clippers right and the christmas game and all that. But i'm looking at the rest of that and the thing that stood out the most and look. I think the league did them favor. Okay is that they have the least amount of back to backs. At least in the half of the schedule that's been released by the league. The league is gonna play seventy two games. They've released thirty six games. Approximately and the lakers have five back to backs. Then miami houston and there's one other team that i can't remember off the top of my head that has only five teams. That are the most have nine which is a lot. I feel like in thirty six games. But but they are not one of them and they. The league did the two representatives of the conferences in the finals. A a huge service. Which they should have did they did. There are a couple of dates. That are a little disappointing for me. but i'll maybe the league was thinking another way i and it jumps out at me When i look at the schedule is that there's no game on jamie twenty six I anticipated there being one. So that The lakers could be the franchise to mark. You know that anniversary But clearly the league either didn't want to. Or maybe they got pushed. Back from the lakers franchise me. They didn't want that date to play on But that's the first thing i check and then the second thing was just bronze birthday You know where would he be really be home or will he be on the road. They decided to put him on the road. Which i guess doesn't really matter because we not there to be happy birthday anyway.
Game 5 wraps up of the 2020 Finals
"Moments after exciting. One of the best, finals games in recent memory. Game Five Heat Eke Ekit out to live another day and joining Zach tonight now Chris. Bosh. It wasn't quite. Five to Allen for three. It was quite Bosch Talon. But this is up there with one of the biggest heat wins in history I mean. For sure. It's an incredible game. What did you think of it? Man You know I, it is starting to be one of those series that's just kind of grinding to a halt. You thought that was going to happen is not happening. Everything, every player that she thought was going give this particular stat line is not it's not really transpiring right now but I mean, you have to give all credit to the heat and I kept telling people this in all these interviews you know how can get? The Lakers. Over they've got the uniforms on and I just like, okay he don't WanNa be here but let me tell you something. These guys if there's anybody. Who would embrace a difficult situation? It is Erik Spoelstra and Butler seems to really. Thrive off of that and anticipate that. affected. So it's Kinda like a marker will really hard is. Like they say, Oh hey yeah, we're here now. We're supposed to be competing for championship. This is how it's supposed to be. You know is this all about survival now there they've lived to play another day and that's what you gotta do. I think it's time to just acknowledged. Once and for all that, the heat had become a great team you know there was always this question of. Did they benefit from the hiatus hiatus in everything the bubble shake the bucks more than other teams. Did they benefit from hayward getting injured a really good. You. Know this Lakers seem his lost one game in every playoff series. Until now, they have not lost to to a heat team that is missing its leading postseason score until this series Goran dragic that they could started to acknowledge Jimmy Butler. The top ten player. Yeah that'd be we're. GonNa. Have to rearrange the rankings because this dude just put up thirty five, twelve eleven in forty seven minutes forty seven minutes and five and a half whatever it is it's the game you play dull game. Survived forty thirteen seven on fifteen of twenty-one masterpiece from the Brian. James we can talk about the end of the game if you want. Everyone can focus on the end of the game, but the heat put themselves in position to win at the end of the game. Duncan. Robinson was unbelievable. They're shotmaking was outstanding and this team just keeps in with Bam out bio clearly, not one hundred percent missing layups, missing dunks, he can play better he. To acknowledge the heat now are are for real and just like you were saying, they're short handed to. So you know we need to keep that in mind You can only imagine how the series would be a little different Gora was out there and not that he's just going to be that dominating presence, but he gives them another layer. To their attack and you know they have that team cohesion down pack and I mean, I don't really know where the lapses with the Lakers are happening with dunkin' Robinson. He's making them pay every time. I. Mean He's moving himself up into Lee Company every game because you don't expect them the thing you know you don't think he's going to continue to go on the street. He's he's gone on and you'll eventually figure that a veteran is GonNa get into them and just chase him to the bathroom. But but it hasn't happened yet and I mean they're making them pay every single time and. Boy I. Tell You. We'll. We'll see what happens game six. Years especially with a hobbled a little bit man. That's one of the big cities we should probably get to. Well, let's let's talk about the end of the game real quick. Okay. So a Frank Vogel Lakers coach has come out after this game and said that there were bad calls at the end. Jimmy Butler getting to the line I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree he's probably GonNa give find. Lakers lead the Lakers up one. He, ball they run a beautiful fast play for Jimmy Butler gets A. He screwed good play Lebron not. because. Eighty one moving so whilst I foot Lebron on. Screen Lebron and she goes up but Jeff Van Gundy called on the broadcast he he floats see I mean. It in verticality your whole. Career. Frank Vogel helped invent it with Roy but. He floats. He fails right? That's a foul. Yes. Afoul he jumped into them. You know good call by the resident and you have to give you know usually referees are getting tough time I. Think they called a Great Game Day You can always look on both sides and say, well, if an if but if they're even in the game is tied and the players they're the ones who are dictating what happens out there. Hopefully, the game isn't called. You know at the end by you know free throws or anything like that but all. Evenly called Game I. Feel. Throws. Yeah, each team had their opportunities and. Jimmy Man Jimmy Butler man he's he's continuing to do it. Man I gotta I gotta you gotTa give him props he's going to make give him props I. Mean he put them on their own is back in those last minutes. Man I mean, the one leg get he's hidden one legged fadeaway. You know he's hitting the free throws down the stretch to dribble I mean he's He's shoot free throws when you're that exhausted and not just. Did you her second he was going to miss you like just. To, to, of course, you were not you think he's GonNa Miss One because as a player I know how I would feel I'm GonNa Miss One. On. THAT TIRED Like him going over when he was leaned over panting after getting fouled, you know they burned a time out after that but. Just him just still being able to muster up whatever could and having a concentration suppose still had Chris Bosh on his roster. He would have run that play where you went to the back side. And the coroner. You. Come on you. Play for last second shot several times. So okay. So it makes a two free throws come down. They call time out again, Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. Call on this game all over this. Danny Green is in the game with a know Dunkin Robinson's on Danny Green. They know that they're going to run the screen to try to force Dunkin Robinson they know there's going to be a double with Lebron that's exactly what happens Lebron Drives Zach he drives into a crowd. There's three is three and a half guys there. He makes the basketball play Chris Bosh, which he is made for fifteen years since he's been starting to the playoffs, throws it to the Open Guy Danny. Green is a thirty eight percent three point shooter from that spot according to second spectrum is wide open. So I'll I'll throw them another couple of percentage points. And he missed it. Well I know Danny wants that one back. you know he made the right play it was a crowd I. I think he had the mentality to say, you're not going to beat us. We're sending everything in the kitchen saying and we're just going to close the shooters. They got the play that they were looking for. It was a tremendous play Danny Green slipped out. You kinda tell that the heat we're anticipating that play. Brahms. So able to make a very decent pass out the Danny grains got he got his hands on he stepped right into it. Any other time nine times out of ten he'll make that shot. You know he missed it what the interesting thing was on the rebound market Moore's he had plenty of time and he kind of made a quick decision Brian, opened on the right wing, which is always easy to say a new usually. Yeah. You throw it to ad but he had another big on you know and that was just man I was a tough light. It was very tough sequence. Watching film you. In it again now. You. Know Marquee Foucault Danny Green like he just handed the ball to hand off again Danny was right there funny though when he's when you through the LOB. Through. It I looked under the Rim I saw a d. and I thought again the balls just hand in mid Air I thought okay. I hate that decision because ad Mike, I'm putting the referees in play a little bit their down one, and then of course, the pass was that not an accurate he choked right let's just say. I'm not saying I would say that to mark keeps face in this moment. Do not say that Bryant don't say that. He. What do you WanNa say it's choked. Well he also as you pointed out before we started, you know they were setting the screen it they set for Jimmy on the on the go ahead. Free throws a flat screen by crowder and the flat screen is designed. You know Chris knows when your face in half court, it's designed to make defense. Gessler. Like which way to go, but it is an which wishing the pick he went he went from an angle to switching to the flat. kind of this weird in between space and if you don't, if if you're not demonstrative about your coverage, you'll get exploited
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Lead
"A lot of fun. So check it out on life is short. So, Anthony Frank Vogel, and the Lakers have more or less steamroll their way to the NBA finals. What do you think has been the biggest key to their playoff success team defense? Vogel. Has referred to it as their third star. You have an elite defense that can be your third star. So to speak when you have the confidence that you go four, five, six possessions. Where you're, you're just squeezing the team's offense where on most titled Teams as we can remember in the past, they actually have a third big time playmaker a third big time name their third star is their team defense. The way they can rely upon every night getting a string of stops together the way that they trapped in bottled up Damian Lillard around one, they took the. Rockets out of their game in round two they kind of slowed Jamal Murray in the third round that is a team defensive concept, and that's what got him to this point. One of the challenges we've seen in the bubble has been the mental strain that being there puts players. You know the Lakers biggest rival, the clippers seem to point to that as one of the. Reasons that they struggled and eventually got knocked out what does Frank Vogel done to keep the team together in such difficult circumstances he seems to really just sense the moment read the room. He's been doing a great job of managing emotions and especially when they're trying to win you WANNA be a part of it on the floor and I. Thank God. I've done nothing but respect. Coaching decisions on you know who's GonNa play who's GonNa sit because we know his intentions and his attention to. Try to win just like ours. Veterans of a platform to voice, not only how they want to defend pick and roll but how they want to attack the off day I. Think Vogel's just got a really good finger on the pulse of the team needs right now anthony what were your main takeaways from the Lakers performance in game one of the finals I would say the physicality heat were the bullies of the East right? They kind of went in physically. And emotionally fully milwaukee, in kind of pushed Jaanus and that franchise into the break and they kind of did the same thing to the Celtics. So you were expecting strength versus strength in game one and it was kind of like the Lakers just look like they much bigger much more physical teams against Jones back sooner comes to help spins away from that easy layup twenty, five points, twelve rebounds, nine assists, Lebron. James Putting on. And just the largeness of the Lakers took game one and you kind of start to wonder if they've already kind of physically broke them as you head towards game two and finally Anthony now that Frank Vogel has guided the Lakers to the finals, do you think we can put questions about his coaching ability to rest? I think we can put questions about whether he was only a good defensive mind in a different era arrest i. mean in these playoffs, he has concocted a defense that stop Damian Lillard, who was the hottest player in the bubble before that stopped the James Harden rockets which are the poster child of Modern Mba offense is now I know how the League works. Let's say the Lakers disappointingly lose to the heat and the finals Lebron doesn't like some here there. It can turn on him to what happened to Doc rivers after disappointing series with the clippers but I think what he has proven in this season is that. Make Sense long-term is NBA goes because he can adjust to the modern style and he's a great defensive mind. Well Anthony thanks so much for coming on the show. Thanks for. You can read Anthony Slater's NBA coverage at the Athletic Dot Com. From wondering and the athletic I'm under.
Doc Rivers out as Clippers' coach, after seven seasons
"The LA clippers parting ways with head coach dot servers yesterday. Some would say it was inevitable after the way they collapsed against Denver many had this team winning the title. Don't even get to the conference finals doc did issue a statement yesterday thanking the fans and calling it eight disappointing end to this season are nick after seven seasons. Doc Rivers out as clippers head coach surprised the team made this decision. Surprised it took them a week or two weeks almost I. Felt like it was either going to be immediate or it wasn't going to happen. But while everyone respects dock and everyone likes dock and everyone's going to focus on the three one series loss third the most the only coach ever with more than one. Here's I. Think the biggest. Indictment on Doc rivers, not just this year but his with the clippers. And people aren't going to believe this but I promise it's true. Frank Vogel has won as many playoff series with the Lakers as doc rivers one with the clippers. Thing about that. So it wasn't just one year of underachieving, it was a better part of a decade of underachieving. and. So the question is, will the clippers get a better coach I don't know if they will. Tie lose going to be the obvious thing. We can talk more about that later but Jonah the real reason they did this in my opinion is because they were stuck like the brandon they don't have a good secondary pitch here they I know you would said, keep collide dock and Paul George and blow the rest of the team. I don't know if the rest of the team has that much value I think the only real shake-up you could do is trade Paul George whose values the lowest it's ever been or fire the coach I don't know that they had another way to shake the snow Globe Brandon. So I think they made the changer not for the sake of change, but because they had to change something and this was almost the only move they could do.
LeBron's clutch jumper sends Lakers past Celtics 114-112
"Anthony Davis and lebron James carried the Lakers to a one fourteen one twelve win over the Celtics in a battle that came right down to the wire the duo combined for seventeen fourth quarter points with James scoring the go ahead basket and Davis making three huge bell shot in the waning seconds coach Frank Vogel said games like this are good in the long run each time we get into a close game like that win or lose you learn lessons you get a better feel for each other and you know that's that's going to you know be beneficial for us in the playoffs Boston's Jayson Tatum matched a career high by scoring forty one mark Myers Los Angeles
Vanessa Bryant thanks fans for prayers
"Bryant's family in LA Lakers talk about their grief in her first public statement since the helicopter crash Sunday that killed her husband Kobe and thirteen year old daughter geology the NASA Bryant writes on Instagram thank you for all the prayers we definitely need them but as a bride also announced a fund is being formed to help support the families of the other seven victims in the crash the Los Angeles Lakers for home Kobe Bryant played for twenty years held a media availability after practice Wednesday Lakers coach Frank Vogel we are all deeply deeply saddened by this unthinkable tragedy so far there has been no announcement on funeral or memorial plans for Colby and G. ana Bryant
Lakers will aim to make Kobe proud, coach Vogel says
"As the Lakers prepare to get back on the court head coach Frank Vogel says the death of Bryant his daughter and seven others continues to be devastating in all around the people that were close to Kobe no throughout his time here and you know it's been a specifically setting time for all of us he says the Lakers organization is thinking about Bryant's family and the families of the others who died Sunday's helicopter crash in Calabasas is still being investigated Bogle says the team will focus on representing what Brian stood for as an all star and as a father Kevin trip K. A. B.
The Glamorous Lakers' Unlikely Leader
"So Kevin. In spite of being blown out the other day in Boston the Lakers are still the number one seed in the West and everything is sunshine and rapes around the staple center but a year ago. It felt like there was a storm cloud hanging over the franchise. I had magic Johnson. President Basketball Operations nations stepping down team fired their head coach. Luke Walton and then they chose Frank Vogel as his replacement awesome and there was a perception around here in Los Angeles that it was a pretty uninspired choice right in some ways frank. Vogel is the Ultimate Safety School. So for the Los Angeles Lakers Kevin Arnovitz is an NBA insider for ESPN. They went after Monty Williams former player who has immense amount of respect but at the end of the day he got a much more appealing offer from the Phoenix Suns. Tai Lue was a top choice. Lebron's former coach NBA Championship. Cleveland Cavaliers in two thousand sixteen. And what are the Lakers. Do they offer him a contract that I think it's fair to say was. Maybe not befitting a championship coach. There's sort of a standard now for for what a NBA coach gets in terms of the years in terms of money and this particular contract offer fell far short of that to the point where I think the public certainly the perception within the League was here of the Lakers doing it again. They think they're the Lakers. They have this golden or around them they can just offer championship. Coach is his deals. That don't reflect that pedigree so they don't get money Williams tyler walks not for another job. He just walks and they get Vogel. I used to do a lot of L. A.. Sports Radio and I remember this announcement very vividly. Los Angeles Lakers fans. They were not happy. Happy Kevin in fact they were furious. Vogel I think at the outset was seen as an odd choice for a number of reasons. One one is. The Lakers are the Lakers. And they have traditionally gone after coaches. That are either real brand names or have this royal. LAKER occur bloodline they are part of the Laker family. So here comes Vogel who is coming off. Two year stint in Orlando where he lost twice as many games as he won one could say no fault of his own. It was it was a young mismatch roster of players. But he doesn't have a brand name he looks like an accountant announced he's never played in the NBA before so he doesn't bring with him. The story playing career so for a fan base and a franchise. That's always been very brand obsessed. Why are you getting this off? Brand coach was very much. I think the perception an off Branko. Now I'm imagining frank. Vogel at the Grocery store he's like the generic. I Love Kirkland. I I think that sets up this story very well because you great value. Oh you use the Kirkland of coaches and of course. The Lakers are widely perceived as his ex hyper glamorous NBA franchise in particular with Lebron James. They're going into an off season in which they're going to be trying to get free agents. This is before the trade for Anthony Davis and here comes maybe the least glamorous coach forget fans for a second just people inside the game fifteen choices of who is going to be. The next Lakers head coach. I don't I don't know that Frank Vogel would have been on one ballot. I'm not saying Bogle can't coach Lebron's right that's different. So how did he get start. Frank Vogel got his start by by being a pest he was division three point guard for a genie out of college and he became obsessed with Kentucky basketball when he was at home on winter. Break when you're watching that famous Duke Kentucky lightning later catches He decides I want to be part a big time college basketball. He's going to leave his division three school. He writes letters to the staff at Kentucky including Rick Pitino and they basically send back a form letter. Thank you for your interest. This is in the mid nineties so he decides. I'm just going to drop out of my college enroll at Kentucky. I'm GONNA drive there. Basically without an invitation nation. And I'm just going to hang around the facility. Whatever anything I can do to get inside volunteer? Whatever they need and little by little sure enough he hangs around enough due to the point? Where Jim O'Brien who was assistant to Rick Pitino said Okay Okay? We'll we have the video room. which at the time video rooms have become like the very sexy place to get your start as a coach? Now Erik Spoelstra Mike Putin Holzer Dave Fidel but back then it was still kind of a newish thing and so he just camped out in the video room and essentially became one of the best young video coordinators in all of basketball and to the point when when Pitino went to the Celtics they ultimately brought. Frank Vogel Oh go along with them. And then when O'Brien took over he promoted him again and so little by little. He's sort of the He's the kind of the little engine that could of basketball. So he dollars. O'Brien to Indianapolis. And that's where he gets his first shot as head coach. How does that go right? He gets to the Fr- what we call. The Front of the bench comes a top assistant in an Indiana Under Jim O'Brien O'Brien gets fired and Vogel's the next Guy Up Larry Bird actually ask Joe. Brian looked this. Guy's really loyal to you. Do you think you take the job. and Jim O'Brien profane. Lee said absolutely
Lakers vs. Bucks: What to know about NBA Finals preview between LeBron, Giannis and the league's top two teams
"By it's a showdown of the top two teams in the NBA tonight in Milwaukee is the box will entertain the Los Angeles Lakers the Lakers still the north all forward Anthony Davis tonight as he tries to return from an ankle injury head coach Frank Vogel told reporters the log Davis can go following the team's
Bold predictions for the 2019-20 fantasy NBA season
"With the season starting tonight Jay world has put together there are three bold predictions for NBA year and it starts with the different superstar in the east it does the reason why Philadelphia Seventy sixers don't have a top deal because Simmons has not arrived all the way yet so here's my prediction Ben Simmons will finish this season in the MVP conversation I've seen the jump shot this summer I've talked to his trainer Chris Johnson he assured me that this is a confidence level for Ben Simmons I think they are going to dominate the east he will be in the conversation grill can shoot the ball he got a very scary player let's go out west now everyone is looking at l. a. what are you saying the Lakers and the clippers will not win the western conference I have the rockets Utah or Denver a win the western conference low management with the clippers where you're GONNA do with Kawhi Paul George Injury to shoulder Lebron James Ad Start off strong I think Frank Vogel kind of limits they're playing time I saw it gets to the regular regular season allowed me recipe the playoffs to be clear you're talking about finishing with the number one seed in the West not necessarily not coming out finally let's go to the team that has made it to the NBA finals every year in recent memory I've been saying this people call me crazy that's fine the warriors will not make the playoffs they are the fourth Bobby Marxists tweet this out they have the fourth youngest roster in the nba the fourth youngest roster now Steph Curry is tremendous I think he'll have MVP type caliber year but still is deal obamacare to loath having him and curry on the court at the same time it makes them a defensive liability draymond green they need him the score they started the day Glen Robinson Third Marquis Chris I mean that's a very and team in the loaded west one of the big questions about them we'll be Klay Thompson how soon he can come back and how effectively he come back and look at West is so low February march that's a big thing look we brought this up earlier the disparity in power between the two conferences if you put golden state in the east they have a chance if if Klay Thompson were to come back in February they could finish with one of the top more seeds in the eastern conference in the West they will agree with you they will likely miss the Blakeway Klay Thompson we'll come back the question is will he find that stride right away and I think after we come off a tornado wild find that confidence what eventually happens they flip Diangelo Russel for the piece that ends up working better in that group next year the year like after this one they're right back they
"frank vogel" Discussed on Mason & Ireland
"This is gonna be the new cycle for two or three more games, or whatever it is, or at least one more. I think that's I think twice over should the punishment when he quickly. We do it before the next game. So people aren't still talking about it. Now after this one, the narrative is going to be the warriors down. Three one and Toronto got two home games left. That's what people are going to be talking about. Or it's, it's back to, to Katie could be back. You know, if they steal one in Toronto the warriors about all this stuff, it's, it's going to naturally move away because Mark Stevens is in somebody that anybody knows he's a rich guy who did something really stupid has been punished. I think you can make the story go away. It's interesting questions, whether or not is that really appropriate should they've made him sell his shares and stuff like that. How two years instead of one. Be interesting to see what the punishment is the next player, does something like this, where you at the Frank Vogel press conference. Okay. I actually thought in the Lakers decided to go another way, I thought Robb after he did his podium session shoulda done a talk til you drop presser should then the magic the exactly what magic did in the hallway that night. Correct, what magic new was if I stand here and take any question, then the questions go away. And when rob walked away, every one of the people that was in that room wrote a story about why aren't the Lakers talking and the Lakers have made the decision they are going to let their actions speak. They think that that will dictate the story. But in the meantime, I could pull up a hundred stories of people that have been highly critical of rob Pelinka, since this whole thing went down because there is no other narrative, they're not providing but didn't realize Mason, was that, prolific writer, the, the I just think that, that. In when when a big story happens, you better. Get your story out. I or someone else will tell it for you. And by the way, there's a game tonight he's blown his window. He's already blown it now he should have done this yesterday. Now right now. They don't want him to talk. Well, no. And they shouldn't talk yesterday. I feel like they just they want this guy that nobody ever heard of to go away. Like we won't be talking about him again in in three weeks. I think that's the idea and he'll be gone for a year from the building. And all of a sudden agree with you, John. I think there's a very good chance that he kinda quietly divests whatever portion he has in this team. But, you know, for Adam silver to demand it. I don't know how I don't know what percentage of that's complicated like who buys them. Where does that money? Go. Yeah. I think it's going to happen over time. Does he sell it? What what's the market rate? It's too hard to make him sell his shares. But he could've made him because I thought the part, and if he sells his shares by the way, he's gonna make a lot of money. I'm sure he will mean like the part that I. I thought was actually worse than the shove was an I didn't realize until after I saw the punishment was was all the stuff. He was yelling. Larry go bleep yourself. Go bleep yourself. Right. That to me is actually in a lotta ways worse that he did. He was yelling that over and over again as a Representative of the other team to one of their best players or one of any of their players. It's awesome. Hey, I, there's at least one guy who did not like the John Ireland shooters,.
"frank vogel" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"That the two like you got a whole bunch of people that never before oughta analytics, they've never before trying to tell us what to do, like we try to hold life. No, we adults. We'd probably be we've fashioned about a bust, our ass off that you told me that this dude does forty five that never played athletic bone. His by going to tell me how to play basketball, like say. That's like some all right here. Like someone that never did a podcast someone that works a nine to five eight walks in guys, what you're gonna do. It's like what are you going to tell me that I don't know. All right. Oh, that I'm not working on over it. What are you going to tell me? That's Josh Hart, who, by the way, is twenty four case you're wondering about the age disparity between him and forty five year old dudes on Gilbert arenas says no chills podcast. So again, it's more about the analytics and having a pencil pusher. I think that's his ideas at some nerd, who has a calculator and who's computing numbers and spitting them out based on formulas as opposed to actually being on the basketball court. But here's the great part about this. His new head coach Frank Vogel is Forty-five and didn't play basketball. Hashtag face poem Friday, played basketball at the high school level, but was not a good basketball player. Those who can't play teach now it very often the guys who sit on the ends of benches. And this is the case, I think, in any sport if you are sitting on the end of a bench because you're not good enough to be on the court or the field or the ice. Well, then you have a lot more time to watch and you develop more of a cerebral approach and a cerebral perspective on the game. And a lot of times guys who sat at the end of benches, turn into the best coaches whereas superstars they don't make great coaches. So anyway, it's a there's certainly a connection there to someone who never played the highest level becoming a really good coach. But the but the idea that Josh Hart at twenty four years old. Can't take instruction for someone who's forty five. Oh boy. Just wait man. Those next twenty years, we'll pass in a flash and someday, you will be the forty five year old dude who maybe is looking back on his career and tell them the youngsters all about it, and trying to give them advice. And, and yeah they may not want to hear from you. Wake tag face. Poem friday. We hear it again. I have to. I just have to hear to get. This is Josh heart twenty four years old. Not speaking about his head coach but maybe didn't know that Frank Vogel is Forty-five that the to you got to hold people that never before oughta analytics, they've never before trying to tell us what to do, like we try to hold life. We adults. We'd probably be fashioned about a bust, our ass workout daughter told me that this dude as forty five that never played have bone by going to tell me how to play basketball, that's, like that's like some right here. Like someone that never did a podcast someone that. Worth a nine to five walks in God's what you're gonna do. What are you going to tell me that? I don't know all that now I'm not working on over it. What are you gonna tell me? I've heard that before women don't play football. So how can you talk about it? Anyway. So, yeah, Josh heart twenty four years old. Maybe unintentionally insulting. I'm sure it was unintentional. I don't mean I would assume that if he knew Frank Vogel is forty five might not have used that particular age. But Vogel is Forty-five end he got to the NBA and became a head coach not because of what he did as a basketball player on the court. He spent a couple of seasons playing d three but his route to head coach. Was more about the scouting and the watching tape. So he was video coordinator at Kentucky. This is back when Rick Pitino is there. And then when Patino moved to the Boston, Celtics, Frank Vogel, moved with them. But again, it was more about him watching video and breaking down tape. And so we spent some time as an assistant, and of course, was the head coach of the Indiana Pacers. Going back a few years. So maybe we can give the benefit of the doubt. And we can. We can believe that the podcast was recorded before Frank Vogel was introduced. Hashtag face poem. Friday does. So funny. But yeah, it's, it's the analytics that bother heart but, but I feel like. That's a bit of stereotype, not everyone who's really good at math. Not everyone who finds analytics helpful and fascinating. And now there's such a major part of what most teams most pro sports teams do not just basketball. It's a component and the best teams the best coaches are the ones who can balance instinct, and experience and the ability to, to teach and communicate with what the numbers will tell you as well. But I've said over and over analytics, don't measure, heart. They don't measure clutch performance. They don't measure desire. They can't possibly predict accurately what a human being will do when under intense pressure. You don't get that kind of a sample size in many cases not enough to be able to extrapolate those numbers on an accurate basis. I mean you're talking about a major margin for error on either side. So analysts can only take you so far. They can tell you maybe what a player is good at what in a moment by moment basis, especially when you're talking about the playoffs postseason. I mean, there's no formula in the world that could have explained March madness, right with that run by the university of Virginia the game against Purdue. Mommy mama de Iquique. What did I just say de aqui? Oh, heavens. It's been too long. So DA key with that crazy shot the buzzer that sends the game into overtime like that kinda stuff. He's not supposed to be shooting the basketball. No analytics formula would tell you that mama de aqui should have had the ball in his hands man line women live, but did numbers don't do actually sometimes sorry, Klay Thompson. We'll we'll get to you on Friday. So there is a role for an Olympics, but the best coaches and managers, the best general managers would be limited if they stuck to the numbers only because numbers. Again, they're limited because they, they are one dimensional maybe two dimensional, but they're not three-dimensional. They don't they don't in any way, measure, heart. And to me, heart as well as experience chemistry teamwork. What happens when you put a group of human beings together who are determined, and who know each other well, anyway, have the kind of motivation, maybe that comes from failure coming up short in the past. None of those things can be measured by a formula. None of those things can be measured by math, but also we're human beings. So we fail. Miserably. We do we can train for something our entire lives. And when we have the opportunity, we can suck. I mean, that's just being human. We're not perfect. We're nowhere close to it. And so, again, the best managers and coaches are the ones who can get to know their players. They're athletes really well. And who can have a feel and a gut instinct? Who can make in the numbers for sure. Try to put their guys in the best position to succeed based on a track record. But also aren't limited, by the numbers, because then it becomes real botic and you take the emotion out of it, which isn't possible in sports. It's not possible in real life. It's not possible in sports either. All right. You can find me on Twitter, AOL radio. I can't get the last out of my head. No matter how much I talk about Josh heart, or hear the voice guide, yell hashtag phase poem Friday. Oh, Andrew luck. I'm out of control beard. Andrew lock. Thank you for making my Friday that much better. Thank you for starting off my weekend with a hoot actually, I should thank Chris where how did you find that? Did you see it on social media? Of course, of course. That's where Chris gets is news. I didn't I was on Twitter a bunch in the afternoon in the evening, but I never saw it. So I love it. Where else does all good show, content or other than your brain? Well, thank you for mentioning that. I did not steal my social media. Some of them, I filed social media and they're fascinating. And then we can spin it forward here on the show. But actually, I try to stay away from other people's opinions until four my own, but something good like that. I can't make that stuff up. Tom Hanks, and Andrew luck meeting for the first time, so. Awkwardly delicious, especially when I know I would be total. Idiot. If I met. I just I laugh when I get nervous. So that's exactly what would happen. I'm not even that. Not like that, though. And I have no idea what Google just said. Okay. After hours with Amy Lawrence. Here's latest sports update. And here's Darwin's book..
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Full 48
"The Jason Kidd thing to get back to that for a second. That is. It's been reported that that was among the impediments to getting Theron Lou not just contract. Terms may be tight looted and won't kid on his staff, which makes it seem pretty clear that it's a, a Laker driven higher. Not Frank Vogel choice. Why is Jason what, what is the Lakers obsession with or fascination with having Jason Kidd on somebody staff, no matter who they were gonna hire the head coach? And if they are so enamored of Jason Kidd. Why didn't they just make him the head coach? That's a good question. I think that they were I think that they liked the idea of having a head coach, who had other former head coaches, at least another former head coach on staff. They also were interested in having Frank mogul on Tyler's death. Is that that's how Vogel was first brought into the equation? So in that if they done that if mood accepted having kid on his dad, if he had expected the three year deal and the eighteen million dollars, which means you're also big part of why he didn't wanna do it. If I bet they had come up on the money in the years, he would have said, okay to Jason but anyway, is it. So if you think about it, that it would have been Kylie head coach, Jason Kidd, and Frank Vogel on his staff. I mean, those are that's three people that have been head coaches, and that's kind of I think, what they wanted, I think there was a, there was a concern in Walton was here that won't even have enough experience in that, that was part of part of the problem. And I remember people talking about how they thought that, even if won't survive. They wanted him to add a veteran a veteran coach onto his staff. You know, he did have Brian Shaw, but there was talk of a I mean they're rumors. They never had never asked any of these coaches, Kurt Rambis on staff. But they're rumored that they would have that. That's what something they would've asked me to do if they had kept him around. So I think that the experience level is the main reason, one Lakers, once so interested in having Jason Kidd around this interesting. I mean Jason Kidd, the guy's a basketball genius. You know, there's plenty we could say, I'm not going to go into a whole tangent about his performances in Brooklyn in Milwaukee head coach, he does bring something to the table. Having LeBron's respect is important. I do think that Jason Kidd, was, maybe the most important figure when the next one fifty four games in his final year as a player because he has kind of influence on the court. It's not the same as a coach. But jason. For whatever people may think of him. And I won't question what anybody thinks of him but he commands great respect from players? They know what he's done. He's got an insight into the game that few have, and that may work out really well for them if there's not a tug of war about who's in charge of the team between him and Frank Vogel. And of course, that's the general fear that people have out there as we look forward to the off season. It's not just that free agency slot. Of course, that max slot to they're gonna try to fill. They're still the Anthony. Davis thing. Hanging out there. Do you have any sense of how of whether the Lakers feel like jumping up to number four in the lottery in the draft having that as yet another chip to throw on the pile new management in New Orleans with David Griffin? A guy who the Lakers should have hired. Small aside. I mean that's the feel like the parameters have changed at least a little bit ownership. Hasn't changed in New Orleans. But there is a new person in charge of basketball ops and David Griffin and trading Langton, who was just named his his GM. See, they have a president and GM both of whom have experienced in their jobs. How about that? What novel idea? That's the other thing that I kept meeting to bring up is that they haven't even when they had magic and Bob together. Neither does I ever had office. Experience big The part..
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Full 48
"And, you know, we haven't we were supposed to talk with Brian, he was very accessible any. I thought there, I think that things just keep blowing up right before he's about to talk to us. We were supposed to talk to him before the last game of the season. And then Magic's press conference blood into the time that had been a lot of the broad and he does not he not prepared to talk to us that day. And then, of course, two days later, he filmed, who he's still in the episode of the shop, where he talked about leaving. And then I don't think there's really been an opportunity. Since then, to speak with her. Donald think we've we haven't had anything that he'd have been at. So you know have been nice to hear from them yesterday, but I think that in cases like that, I wouldn't surprise you didn't talk because there's just so much drama going on that, that he probably didn't wanna get himself into the middle of we can assume ministers reporting out there, backing this up that the Brin isn't exactly thrilled with the way things have gone, not just with what's happened on the court this season which was tough. But obviously all this stuff going on off the court. Do we have any sense of how he feels about Frank Vogel, a name that I have barely even invoked in the last twenty five minutes, despite the fact that yesterday Frank Vogel was introduced as the new coach of the LA Lakers, which is kind of a big deal and kind of a big job? And we're not even talking about Frank Vogel. All Frank Vogel is the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers people. There's a headline in there somewhere seventeen headlines below all the other stuff. That's happened. Do you have any sense of whether LeBron is happy, said, indifferent? It's to Frank Vogel. Thirty into that. Frank Vogel said that they had a very positive conversation. So there's that. I mean, like I don't think I think LeBron was trying to there was a lot of concerns from every side in this whole process, and not make it seem like what Bron was in charge here. I think that part of that concern came from his camp, part of it came from the Lakers. Everybody was really worried about that. But I think that there have just been so many bigger things going along for the Lakers and going, and so many bigger things that have been an issue that, you know, the, those been a little the head coach, who the head coaches has been sort of fallen by the wayside a little bit, but he is he doesn't relationship with Jason Kidd, and you know, that, that higher has a lot of a lot of issues attached to it too. But, but that could be that could be something that was well for him in terms of being able to relate to mobile said yesterday that he likes that he likes to have a former. Player who's also has coaching experience on his staff to better relate to the players. So I mean maybe that's maybe that's what they're thinking that, that will be helpful for them. No, Jason Kidd thing is very interesting. And there's look, there's no doubt in the Bronx, think on Instagram clicks like two bunch of photos of himself and Jason Kidd together once that hiring was announced, so it seems safe to say the LeBron's happy about Kim Vogel was in that too. I should note that, that, that was all the same string of LeBron likes. This is this is that we interpret the NBA and players in twenty eighteen did they like something beat. Wouldn't it be easier? Just to tell us what you think you know how about a five minute interview. I mean look in LeBron's, partial defense, yet yesterday would not have been a five minute interview, it would have been, you know, that's questions. Yeah. And it would've it would've pushed Frank Vogel, even further down the page probably to the point where Frank Vogel would have just been in on the in the what used to be like the little. Actions wire in the back of the sports section, it would, you know Lakers hired Frank Vogel. I thought it was interesting, though, and encouraging Vogel in the brief time that he that he actually spoke yesterday that was about basketball and coaching and not about drama and magic and backstabbing and all this other stuff..
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"He's only he's been three for twenty five and three pointers from the last ten games. So whereas he Danny green, you know, everybody's skips over him. He's a starter. He only had three points and was one for nine he started over eight the other night. And so in this series he's four for fourteen you know, you need guys to step up. And so for me a Hawaii has been that constant, especially on both ends of the floor, but it really doesn't matter if, if he doesn't get any help, you know. They can go home pretty soon. If those other players don't step up couple topics outside of the playoffs. Chris before I let you go if you don't mind Frank Vogel, introduced, as what everybody here in town, clearly knows wasn't the first choice to be the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers on that happens on the day that Magic Johnson goes on. I take and torches the Lakers. Like it's king's landing. What do you think LeBron's thinking this very morning? Chris. I think things probably make a little more sense to them that, you know, magic didn't quit on the team, but it's magic wasn't allowed to do what he was brought in to do, then he doesn't have time to sit around and be a figurehead. I, I don't think magic really destroyed the Lakers. I think he told us what's going on there. And for a lot of us, we understand what players and people in basketball that don't care about the outcomes think of the Lakers. And and I'm not just saying that if somebody that went through the Lakers or played against him. I've been a Laker fan my whole life. And, and so you kind of, you know, you, you kind of seeing the truth. I mean, I think it's just that simple. Why wouldn't you have magic able to make decisions? Why wouldn't you hire title because the optics don't look good. When you got LeBron, you knew that you were going to probably have to hire a guy that he liked. What's wrong with that? You do the same for Brady. If. Bella check. You know you always try to find a quarterback a quarterback coach. And so anytime you're in a situation where you hire the coach from the Sacramento Kings. And they didn't make the playoffs, and you're talking about free agents or something like that. And then you, you misleading yourself you're just stuck in the. You're stuck in a narrative that everybody wants to go to LA like they can't live there in the summer, and that they want to take on the beast of the media, and the pressure and have that be thrust upon them without the responsibility being thrust throughout throughout the organization. So I think it is the truth. And it's what a lot of us already kind of, you know, kind of thought that was going on in there. And I know magic smiles, and tend to think he's a nice guy or Loof, but he's part of the joke. He knows. He knows what's going on. And once he couldn't be part of the remedy. I see why I see why he got the hell out of dodge, but you're gonna put you're gonna shoot him and not let him make any decisions reminds me though football saying, if you're going to what did I say, was it part are, who, who said that? The cook with all right doing a little shopping and getting your own groceries. And so, yeah, Frank Vogel is not the guy that free agents are gonna come looking forward to play for from his time in Indiana to a time in Sacramento. It's, it's he's a good coach. But we're talking about super free agents, and the fact that everything has to be right to try to recruit them. And the fact he came from a losing team and basically, Sacramento in LA switched coaches at that doesn't do much for the narrative or the story to make anyone enthusiastic. And it's not coz Vogel's fought is just all the talk that was done before. Then. You know, I, I hear you on the, on the why not hire guy for LeBron statement. I do want offer a little coach. Now. He's right. Yeah..
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"How did he show up on? I take the day that they're introducing Frank Vogel is the new head coach. Of the Lakers. It can lead somebody to think that they've been bamboozled or lettuce stray, because right now we have been hoodwinked booze. Let us stray, what a mock and fled out to see how okay. Sorry Runamuck as my favorite Runamuck. Oh my gosh. That's just adds a whole new potentially third. Dimension to the chess layer here today. Soom this had to have been arranged in advance the Frank Vogel like today. So Pelinka is going to be on a podium in an hour and fifteen minutes. I, I don't know Jamie buses going to be there. But Tim Harris, the c o at got his fifteen minutes from magic today. I soon he'll be there today there. They have to be huddled up right now at their PR Steph. How are we gonna handle this gaming it out? We loved magic you know he's gonna box it up. And just say that's our past. We've turned the page can you turn the page on on this at a press conference today? Is it one of those pages that Brienne was writing? All right. Right. But that's like genie just turning the page and just writing only the most positive things about magic as they're closing the book on his presidency. Again, we're, we're constantly trying to come up with the analogy the game of thrones analogy to what we've seen today. The only thing I could say is right now, certainly when magic shows up MIR hours before Frank Vogel is introduced the new head coach. That's there. And he said he wanted Ty Lewis. The new guy is what he said that he that's what he was fan fan now. He's just a fanny wanted tie Lou. He says this on the day where Frank Vogel shows up and the questions of Pelinka will be well, did you want Lou or not, what happened with Lou? Why is Jason Kidd here to is he going to be at the press conference? I imagine you don't bring assistance. They're usually, I don't know. And then if Jeanie Buss is in fact there. You've got to ask her if she's thinking of selling the team because when magic was asked about what this means all of this for the Lakers franchise in the viability of the Lakers. Franchise is the Lakers franchise damaged at all by not just what he's saying. What's going on there? But what has happened since Kobi's, what achilles gave way years ago, made the playoffs in seven years? Here's what Magic's response was if the Lakers fulfill tomorrow. Yes, I'll be running up to genius. Let me by them. And I think listen to lump the list would be long in. Of course, Kobe would want to buy it, and if LeBron was not a player or, or outerly he wanna buy them. I mean listen is a gold mine. The Lakers are gold. My even with us not making the playoffs. Do you know we've sold out every single season? Yeah. I mean. Kidding. Of course. But that's the that's the point where magic could say, all of this, and say that, he's that genie's always going to be his Queen while he takes out what's left of her reign. And feels like he can just show up at the at Staples next year. And just as a fan because he's magic. Yeah. Because the the the team sells out every year, despite what's happening Nixon the same way. Man, Nick sell out ever you too. And they've been terrible worsened larger. Yeah. Far worse in lingers. Honestly. Good question. These are all great questions. Cannot believe he did that today. And it is Frank Vogel's database introduced as not enough, swirling around all of that Vogel. You know what Vogel's thinking Vogel's thinking this is my job..
"frank vogel" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"Hiring on Monday. They will officially introduce him next week. The guy's a PTI the Lakers gave Vogler three you deal, which was to fewer than Tyron Lou demanded the Lakers also hired Jason Kidd is the lead assistant. But wait, there's more. Phil Jackson was reportedly consulted on Vogel and blessed the decision will bond. How does this higher sit with you? How like Frank Vogel? I think Frank Vogel has been a worthy coach, it seems like LeBron also likes entertaining the notion of people that he has been rivals within the past bringing them aboard. Which is why he had you know, the crazy man from Vogel's team from Indiana come in with them last year. Yeah. Yeah. So LeBron seems okay with that rivals is a certain connection. He has a TIMMY probably knows he played against globally may really respect Frank Vogel. So I'm not going to sit here and diminish Frank Vogel. I don't know what. The Lakers are doing. I'm Michael see and try to pretend like I know what the link is doing. So if you know take over there are two things here that are that are interesting to me one is definitely going to happen. Lebron is going to wake up one day. And he's going to say, I I don't wanna play for this guy anymore, and he'll do to him what he did today. But black and then Jason Kidd moves right up in. And he becomes what are you presenting? What's Jason because he he won't be Frank Vogel. That's why he wants to play for. So he wants to play for the next guy. The second thing that interests me is the reporting of the influence that Kurt Rambis apparently has coach Linda Rambus hurt with the Rambus as well. Whole here is Kurt Rambus is record has no NBA thirty to one thirty to sixty five and one sixty four with thirty two was Minnesota. What what? Does he know about coaching if his record sixty five and one sixty four what what is he not going to say a lot about basketball Pence coach? Includes coaching just because you can't coach yourself Jerry West record is a coast, but he hired coaches, Jerry West walked out and said, it's not for me. Okay. He he couldn't get it done. But he could hire people who could let's go to quit carrying weapons saying this. New about coaching as a criteria. You just say you have no idea what the idea what to do. And I don't think anybody has any idea right now. Now the Lakers fall summer and on into next year. The forty-five-year-old Vogel did not coach last season following two years with the magic he landed in Orlando after a five year stint with the Pacers, including trips to the Eastern Conference finals in two thousand thirteen and two thousand th sportscenter allnight ESPN radio on the court on Tuesday game one of the Western Conference finals. Warriors have ruled out. Kevin durant? Coach Steve Kerr. I think their own needs to slow down.
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
"So STAN you were saying before that the greatness is in necessarily shot going in the greatness is being able to get that off when Embiid is playing exceptional defense on the perimeter. Yeah. Getting it off and getting up on rim to to be able to get a bounce. And at least give it a chance. And it's it's really so true of a lot of things in sports. It's the combination of great skill in some luck because luck's always part of it. But it takes great skill to get that shot even up on rim and not to air ball it or or, you know, hit the site of the backboard or anything. Else? He gave it a chance Said's, right? 'cause wise it afterwards and beads defense was so good. He's so tall sell athletic. He was kind of fading away. He said I just had the throwing up high enough to get another example of perfect defense gods that you say can't be perfect. If the shot goes in it wasn't. I mean, it was nearly perfect defense. But it was not perfect. Perfect defense. The ball does not go in. And that's luckily bouncing, Nope. Bounces off the rim. If you're just joining STAN Van Gundy over the weeks ESPN some of this stuff is like empowering him, and he has become someone who's willing to make more controversial takes on the air. So here are his thoughts on the Lakers new hire. Oh, no. Here we go. I do not understand how the Lakers could hire Frank Vogel. This guy has done nothing in that one. His teams are always poorly prepared always underachieve. There is no way Frank Vogel deserves to have the Lakers. That is some clean sound right there that wasn't the least bit edited. No one whatever catch that guys. It gets worse. He went on to say this look Frank Vogel may not have been the Lakers top choice. But he was certainly number two and this hiring stinks. He runs a constipated. Offense is teams have played crappy defense they just loaf around. And frankly, this higher just leaves a bad taste in mouth. You guys are the worst. I will be lucky if I come out of this show and have anyone in the coaching community. We'll even talk to me, I'm now for STAN van Gundy's NBA hot nuggets your face and now time stamping goodies top NBA nugget Sony, Monday show..
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"Pre game at eight eastern nets game one tip eight thirty coming up on Wednesday. All right. A couple of things here. Going back to what Cleveland did with John B line leaving. I don't know of John beeline ever had an NBA it. This might be that owner, Dan Gilbert, who's a Michigan guy who tried. To hire Tom Izzo. Now, he's a Michigan state guy. He tried to bring in Tom Izzo a couple years ago when LeBron was at least is thought LeBron was going back there. That's when he left to go to Miami. But is was offered the job or at least considered going there. And now you bring in John B line, and maybe John B line just hit the lottery because if Cleveland wins the lottery and you get Zion Williamson. All right. You got Colin Sexton Zion Williamson, and I think they're going to trade Kevin love. And then. All right. Maybe if something if something interesting there, I just I'm I'm shocked that he would leave Michigan to go to Cleveland because he's built a great program at Michigan. He can coach there for another ten years. You might get in Cleveland. You don't get Zion. Let's say you end up with you know, nineteen wins. And then maybe, you know, twenty two wins, and then you're done. Now, he can get another job at Michigan is one of the great jobs, and he's been incredible there. I'm shocked. I really am. I'm sean. I'm more shocked at that than the Lakers hired Frank Vogel because Vogel at least has some experience and has the most experience of any coach that LeBron is ever had. I mean think about it. Lebron had guys that he's been able to work with quote unquote, manipulate now you bring in Frank Vogel, and Jason Kidd. I don't think it's a horrible higher. I don't because you have to understand the Lakers realize this isn't a coveted job. You had two guys who turned it down tie Liu said, I want five not three. And then you bring in a guy who doesn't bring in drama. Frank Vogel is a good coach. Now, you might say why says solid coach. Okay. That's like saying, you know, the girl has a great personality. Okay. You're bringing in Frank Vogel. Maybe he's a calming voice in there. Maybe doesn't get caught up in all the drama. I don't like the Jason Kidd. Let's bring. Him in as an assistant or associate head coach. I don't like that. But you know, this isn't a coveted job right now. And you know, Philadelphia might be open as well. Philadelphia's more coveted job than the Lakers are but Frank Vogel. And I know Bill plan skew the LA times it was like what what are we doing you bring in Frank Vogel? I get that. I get the reaction because you think boy who we're going to get. And then you realize who you're going to get and you go, wait. That's it. Yes. That's because the job is not coveted Doc Rivers. Go to have the job. He didn't want it. Tyler wanted five not three any turned it down. Mani Williams took the Phoenix job. So you have Frank Vogel, and you should probably feel lucky that you got Frank Vogel is crazy as that's gonna sound. But you get somebody who has experienced now he has respect he's a coaches coach. He's not flamboyant. It's not one of those where we got we got the next Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich, you don't. But at this stage where you are Frank Vogel. I think is going to be good for that team. I don't know if the team is going to be good for him. But I think Frank will be good for that team. But we'll talk to Reggie Miller about that as well. The seventy Sixers in oh, it's one bounce one bounce maye cause Brett Brown his jump, but going into the the expectation level was really high with his six thirteen and Kawai Leonard hitting that shot. I think is gonna cost Brett Brown is John and quiet Leonard with what he did he stepped up, and he was big in a big moment..
"frank vogel" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"He's he's going to be someone that twenty three years older during the regular season. We have lost track of the fact he's twenty three years I'm saying he's younger, but don't you want to dominate younger? Don't you want to figure it out when you're twenty four? I mean, if he doesn't it's the same thing, it'd be twenty eight saying the same thing dude, you gotta shoot or in the playoffs. You're going to get swallowed up because teams aren't going to they're going to defend you differently. They're not gonna let you get into the paint knocking let you do what they do during the regular season. 'cause when it's one of eighty all right? We don't need to worry about stopping Ben Simmons as much, but hey, let's clamp down on him for five or seven games here. And not let him do his thing. And that's what happens in the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, I think everyone knows the scattered report on him. I think it's easier to execute. That's got report in the playoffs when you can be physical. And I I still think you know, he has to he has to figure out I'm not gonna shoot right handed or left hand enemies, basically a right handed guy with exception of when he shoots a primitive jump shot. But I'm not as down on Ben Simmons as kind of the rest of the world is I just I think it's just gonna come down to two things, you know, the mental aspect of him not wanting to shoot like, I think he so bright that he over thinks it because he knows the numbers, and he knows the likelihood of making it, whereas, you know, for for a couple years now we've seen Janas take shots that he can't make he's not a good, and he's made himself into a at least decent three point shooter because he's taken so many. And I think that's probably the next step for Simmons. Jason smith. Doug Gottlieb, been for Dan and the danettes today, we got more and be right now is joining us on the hotline opus breakdown what we talked about start of the show all the drama surrounding the Lakers Lakers beat writer for the LA times. You can follow her on Twitter at Tanya Gan Guli Tanya, are you outside staple center right now waiting for the big protests? That noon today. Well, now quite a while away for us still. So maybe maybe a little later. Good parking spot. You know to get out you want to make sure you get down there because rush hour traffic here in LA. It's very difficult. That I live downtown. So I can just, you know, hop over. The millennial Tanya joining us. Okay. So so Tanya, obviously now we're like a day and a half removed from this really really bizarre back and forth where Tyler do, you know? I don't want your job. Well, we don't want you. Anyway. The Lakers are bringing in Frank Vogel for interview is there a thought to take a breath and maybe rethink kind of their process or they just gonna plow full. Steam ahead and hire new coach what we don't really have prime to take a breath in and rethink everything. Because in the NBA draft combine is next week the lotteries on Tuesday, they're getting into a period where they are going to need to figure out what their structure is. And they're going to need to have a coach in place. So I would have thought and a metal loan and thinking that they would have wanted to have somebody in place before the combine maybe they still do. Maybe they still can't it does seem like it's getting a little late to do that based on their pace so far. But, but you know, there's there's definitely some urgency as if you just look at the schedule for them to get something done soon. Johnny do they have anybody really that's at the top of their list right now. 'cause we heard all these names. But then there's the reports that Jason Kidd was supposed to. Be on Tyler staff. He took the job..
"frank vogel" Discussed on Through the Wire
"Still is but he from one from three hit three and who david was in which series you when they play eighties yeah oh yeah forget about those are some good series and i always forget about those here went to semi right when you went to it was crazy that one year they were up integrated you heard and then just went down and that's when pg emerge is that the time 'cause i always saw was pg already stopped as the guy no i thought then grandpa george kinda like the number to denigrate got hurt that same year i think it was that offseason where they work and everything scott vogel at the time of frank vogel rank he was talking about paula jones as really been working and they were showing you know like they scrimmages whatever he was in l a crazy shots and they go inside season thought he was gonna be the number one guy and he did mia but i'm talking about the heat and was never a part of that well yeah danny granger played five games that season yeah he was never part of this it was paul george as their guy he was on the seventeen year too i misheard imposters on twenty two years old back there so that's that's like what his sophomore season because he wasn't a one and done player so he's like sophomore season something like that fresno state baby which is what and then after that that's when he took the twenty one point jump and then he had the leg injury and then came back average twenty three point the worst day never had paces organization was their league injury he was hurt and they dismantled that team stevenson went to hornets was as roma hebrew fell off the face of the earth.
"frank vogel" Discussed on Get Up!
"This is going gonna go toe with max holloway and look at them coach i like that just look at them it's kinda hike in the drawers their venture what's going on here what do you think of this on the where he thought this was going to end in but look i mean he's sort of plays it off he's having a little fun is getting into it there i think that's our girl page on the mike there too and this is it looks like he's wearing a adult diaper i don't know that pulling that up was like the best move all promotion for the fight other than that we probably have a uso early but very quickly can i mentioned a uso for many many years now have told me they think i look like him that jon stewart yes how do you feel now that you've seen that well i mean i'm obviously built way better than it goes obviously but make sure we got out there actually had the opportunity to host the us old ball during the two thousand eight inauguration in washington dc and how was that it was a great time that's a great story i'm glad to hear that larry team and the show do we anyway to head that's my wide receiver why tony romo is making a statement about dez bryant and why the cavs may need to be more careful with the bron james former coach frank vogel will join us to break it all down but first here we go jalen these guys are you at a two players over their last two games in this playoff if you knew nothing else you'd say man the player on the right is a much better offensive player than the player on the left but wait until you see who they are next.
"frank vogel" Discussed on Get Up!
"Yeah early two thousands i remember they played a game seven against alan iverson and the sixers i'm doing that off the top of my head but this i understand what you're saying because this is an entire era of rappers basketball where they put themselves in a position to be one of the genuinely top teams in the nba and if not now when beetle if they don't do it now winner they're going i think that's the main issue i think this is the best time they've ever had it might be the only best time they get see for quite some time i let me ask you this golfers have sports therapist how do you handle it when it seems to be a team this is not one player that's having a problem it seems to be a collective team thing about basketball and the play doesn't stop at the east possession in theory like football is that once you start to play whale that momentum does carry so if you make a couple of shots b's you forget about what happened on the previous play what happened on the previous game because so many mistakes happen throughout a game where you like my bad right i gotta turnover i missed the shot i should have made i didn't make a good decision and so based on that i don't think it's in their heads that way lebron james has been the best player in this conference and so if you're washington and toronto remember coming into the season those two things teams thought they were going to be ascended now all of a sudden you look around it comes philly here comes boston into your point their success now looks to be something of the past you give you big number coming out of this game because maybe know figure better illustrates the cavs postseason then vis cleveland.
"frank vogel" Discussed on Mickstape: The Barstool Basketball Podcast
"Somebody who else is like lock popovich may be everybody has you could understand it was like you have brett brown that stevens i was like well that's a that's a take i don't foley hate brett brown being in the mix no not at all he was just the one i was i okay i haven't heard his he was the one that i hadn't seen i was like someone's missing though yeah i mean it was frank vogel on the tip of montagne frank vogel i'm prepared to be furious i'm not currently but we also have months before we find out correct let's fix to maybe hp basketball tweet out of the awards yeah maybe what are they doing anything davis employed tonight needed fifteen rebounds four blocks do you quick twenty two fifteen three sales for blocks it'd be shouldn't have brought his numbers right brought his average is down rondo at nineteen fourteen hundred which is point in which is assist man shockingly low points more than the assists he also had four steals in five boards like what if i can game against the spurs so who do they have first round i think if the pelicans get portland i think they can beat portland they will but i don't they've got some size legit give portland trouble yeah and honestly like part of the reason i've liked new orleans from the onset of this season is because they have like no no like i would make a lot of jokes about rhonda top five that's obviously a joke but the way he just controls this team that court on the coach the coach on the court things played out but like just the offense specifically like he has holiday playing great ball and he doesn't deserve all the credit but his holiday playing great ball he gets the ball to eighty when they need to get the ball to a ad a thing they did not do in previous years like mccollum nor lillard is going to be able to like getting his grill and like take him out of the game as their quarterback.