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The Leavenworth 7
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The title of the book is Let me get this down. That's a that's a mouthful you WANNA say tattle your book. The part of the book is Leavenworth. Seven deadly 1931 prison break and that Nets an interesting prison break folks folks. That was a lot of the the roving gangs of bank robbers in the Nineteen Thirties. Broke out what two or three different prisons I believe at the time Sometime in the neck those two or three years of mining clad broke some people out down in Huntsville or Eastham prison farm and much. These guys broke Gavin Leavenworth and they went on to bank robbing spree and ended up in the big shootout up. Little Bohemia did podcastone dillinger at little bohemia showdown but Gareth. Let's Ah Delo weren't average out there a little bit about your history of kind of interesting history any nap with your even a prison guard up there in Leavenworth for quite some time correct. That is correct. Correct I I always tell people that I did life on the installment plan eight hours at a time. I started out my career as a correctional specialist in the US Army. I served at Fort Leavenworth military prison. There towards the end of my first three years in the military met this little girl and fell in love and we got married and I decided I was going to spend my time in Kansas so I went to work for the Kansas State penitentiary when it was still the Kansas state penitentiary and little all over a year and after that I went to work at the United States Penitentiary Leavenworth and worked there for twenty seven years. So from nineteen seventy nine two thousand ten when I served as a correctional professional. Wow you use all of our mobsters go through there from down here in Kansas City. Didn't you a lot of acquaintances for EH. Not only the Kansas City mob mob all over the country. I've John Stand for work for me for about eight years. Really new Tuffy to Luna had conversations with Russell Bufalino about what they did with Jimmy Hoffa interesting interesting. That's really topical right now. Yeah I guess. You've seen the Irishman. I saw the Irishman. And I gotta say that Joe Pass. She does an excellent Russell Buffalo. No Hair Dad's folks from a man who actually they knows Russell Move Lino and interacted with him over a period of time. We'll give Joe Patchy thumbs up for his His portrayal love the the famous mob. Boss from he was from Pennsylvania New York upstate. Pennsylvania is like it's hard to put put a particular city like Gaudy New York Knicks Belen and Kansas City. Tony ACCARDO and Chicago. Those guys you now. Buffalo Lino have the I guess. Northern Pennsylvania Stanford had the southern part of Pennsylvania. Okay Yeah Philadelphia Area and all that mess. That happened down there and racing. Entertainment may have to come back and do some more shows on on those guys time and crew. Yeah I'LL BET and one quick question is like we've seen in the movies. Do they get some of their own food and liked to cook their own Back in cell block where they all kind of have will be housed in an that. Same kind of general vicinity tier of a wing or something. They actually do house them. Pretty much basically close together and back back. When I first started leavenworth they had a in diesel house? It was called the old man's wing and all the older mobsters Russell. Buffa Lino Tito from Mira. Henry Borelli all of those guys were living in the cell house but they were living on the lower galleries and the rest of the top galleries. Respod Bod- Gallery side by the city walk and a half long and the younger guys were upstairs. They were just regular everyday run of the mill criminals but the the mafia pretty much held at down. Downstairs Christiaan divvied. It was part of the French connection. Oh Yeah Crew New York and on up to Montreal. Yeah and he was. He was there at the time. And I know some of your listeners may know who Phil Garrido was Familiar with that was the guy a couple of years ago that was found holding a woman out in his backyard in Vegas and his wife and him were. His wife was kind of strange Doug herself but they were holding a young girl out in the backyard and had a child was out in makeshift. Shed you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember that he was he was there at the institution at the time. Interesting seen some interesting people corrections is one of those jobs that you see something every day that Mexico. Yeah I know. We've got our friend from David who was a guard at Marian that has a is not podcast is more like a youtube podcast. He does a youtube videos and tell stories out of Marion Penitentiary So it's called as a key returns you guys. If you haven't ever taken look at as a key turns on Youtube you take a look at them those stories. He's been on here. He's a guy that he told us a story about when John Gotti I. I hit the cell block at Marian. He was one of the guards he said he said the man's lined up but like it was the king was coming in and and really gave him huge respect until the end and what that beat him so bad it almost guilty John Stanford was the same way when he got. The Leavenworth has the his. The following was quite really well quite well. And I mean you've got figureheads like that with the Mafia they you've got a crew. That actually walks walks around them. Protects them keeps them from getting beat on. Yeah most of the other inmates no they. They're not messing with those guys mess with them interesting. Well some things. Sometimes that life does imitate art. Maybe art looked at life and and then created in the movies. Sometimes I mean looking at the Irishman when I was like I I've seen that before kind of how people relate to each other. Oh Yeah respect this kind of you know the the the higher up you go the better it is what it that way so you also were the historian effort. Leavenworth correct. I I I I kind of got that job by the fault I had A. I've amassed over the course of my career probably three or four four thousand photographs of the military prison and the US Benetton uniforms badges. But I've probably got the got it somewhere in a box somewhere and done a lot of reading nurse including mine my two books on the penitentiary. Lovemore seven the. US Penitentiary Leavenworth. I've I know of about thirty three books that are written. It have some type of story line that deals with Leavenworth. Wow So let's talk about your most recent book first of all you. You mentioned that other book talk. Just just tell folks a little bit what that's about it and how they can get it. It's it's more of a picture book. It's I'm one of these kind of I. Don't jump in the middle of the pool. I kind of stick Matola into sea order like I understand and the first three books I wrote were basically photographic histories since I it was at the US or the penitentiary for twenty seven years. I wrote a pictorial history of the federal prison through Arcadia Publishing and then did a book On Fort Leavenworth goes I was stationed there and then a book on the city eleven worth and the development of the city of Leavenworth in its early stages. And they've draw a lot of interest in the Federal Prison Book. USB Leavenworth has brought a lot of interest from a lot of different people throughout the United States it's carries on from the very earliest beginnings of the institution all the way through the modern era of corrections that tells the development of the institution itution White was developed. Who always there? I've got pictures of the bird. Man and Carl paying Ram Frank Nash. Frank Nitty cool. So how would person get those books. They're all on Amazon. They're all on Amazon They can Do you have other pates. Can they just hired Kenneth the master if they put them master okay and the search engine of their little old computers at home. They'll find out more about me than I know about myself and then just go to Amazon Lincoln. Of course we'll go. You'll find the podcast. Once it goes up to but Just go to the Amazon Lincoln. And you'll oh find out those books so let's talk about your most recent book. The Leavenworth seven the deadly nineteen thirty. One prison break ended. That come about the escape actually took about three years to master minded. pull off the crew. That was actually broken out. Seven of them. The four of those guys. We're members of Frank Nashes crew. The man who was killed at Union station massacre and most people don't realize it Frank Nash mostly as they know about the union station massacre. But he really know very little about Frank Nash. Nash was a mastermind. His father ran hotels in Bartlesville Oklahoma and he had uncanny ability to talk to people uncanny ability and he could schmooze his way. He actually talked his way out of the Oklahoma territorial prison three separate occasions one occasion. I'll join the army okay. They let him join the army. He actually fought World War One. Second time. I've got some business to take care of Bartlesville. I'll go ahead. You're okay and he would his personality was he could win over. Just just about anybody and Frank Nash. When he was Ed McAlister had became friends with Al Spencer L.? Spencer was a territorial cowboy that fashion himself after Jesse James and the media had followed him for quite some time until they just kind of realized that. Hey this guy's pulling off bank robberies. But he's pulling off robberies that are only netting twenty five bucks seventeen dollars just just odd pennies and nickels. Title's off of what the Henry stores and everybody else was fallen off at the time and it started kind of making fun of him. While Spencer decided he was going to leave an indelible billable mark in the history of Oklahoma and decided he was going to rob a train Jesse James E was going back to Jesse James and Frank Nash. Rush being the masterminded he was he was L. Spencer's lieutenant in his crew. He went out and surveyed. What they could rob Bob and they wound up rob indicate limited the MCAT railroad in O'Keefe's Oklahoma which in itself would wind up being the last armed train robbery in the history of Oklahoma and when they pulled his arm train robbery off half the crew had never pulled off an arm train robbery and her life life had one guy grover cdl which was one of the seven was broke out? He smashed the firemen in the in the engine. Ad Within Frank Nash. The whole time robberies going off frank national standard talk in politics and calm cool collected and national figure it out we rob this and he told the guys when they robbed a strain leave the federal bonds alone. We could get our way out of mcallister. We'd get our way the the situation in Oklahoma but if you touch the federal bonds to run this train we can't get ourselves out of the Federal Prison Well L. Spencer decided he was just GonNa take it all. He took everything off the train including federal bonds and all the guys were caught within a short period period of time. So that's what got the feds and they ended up in Leavenworth and that's how they ended up in Leavenworth. And when I got the Leavenworth Frank Nash. Storage shortage SMOOTHENS schmoozing himself away around the institution. Yeah he knows that game. He knows how to play the game. I know another guy that did that. If a Marian he knew how to play that Game Hey and he talked himself into a job that was a sweet as it can be. He was the head Cook in Deputy Wardens House out on the front lawn of the institution. Yeah I've seen that house and he did the interesting bull enough. His Assistant Cook was Frank. Nitty really well. Oh Frank Nash. One afternoon decides to he goes out to the front gate of the prison tells the altar. He's got a party to cook for down at the deputy warden sales force they they let him out. He goes down to the House about nine thirty. They call up the house and said Hey. Nash has got to get back over here for the ten o'clock count nationally. Been in over here all day. And he's gone and the same way with The couple of other crew that helped Nash masterminded reminded escape. Was Thomas. James Holden and Francis Keating they were put in Leavenworth for Robin Evergreen Park Mail train in Evergreen Park Illinois and they'd actually got away with the robbery of the train for over two years and another crew pulled off the the exact same style robbery using all of the techniques that Keating Holden abused they pull his train robbery the off they get caught the FBI figures out who pulled off the initial train robbery. So they send that crew plus Holden and Keating the Leavenworth breath holding and Keating get involevment. They make friends with a guy by the name of George Machine Gun. Kelly really machine gun. Kelly was a little bit of. I'm an educated man had grown up in the upper middle class section of Memphis Tennessee and he is working in the records office well. UNBEKNOWNST to a lot of people at in the institution George Machine Gun Kelly dumbing passes for inmates nights trustees past work outside the walls the institution. He Dummies two passes for Francis. Kaeding and Thomas Holden they get outside the penitentiary pantry. They walk off so they're gone keady holding Meet with Frank Nash in Cicero Illinois. They've got an inside man that is helping with the plot. They've got a correctional officer that is smuggling communications in in and out of the institution they get word to them at Cicero Illinois. Put The ball forward and they start drumming up this plan to help these guys get out of the institution. Well did they. Were able to get some guns inside the institution in this one too. I noticed down in eastern Oklahoma summit at Huntsville with Bonnie Clyde prison break they smuggle a gun in there to where the work crew could find the gun. Did they did the same thing that they actually Part of the plan was is the guy started watching and paying attention inside to the routine the worst thing in the world that you could do in prison is set a routine. Yeah because inmates. They're they're twenty four hours a day seven days a week they can watch you and figure out what your routine is. You don't ever want to do the same thing two or three times in a row because they know what it is so they started started watching what was going on. They used the business office in the Federal Prison Industries and they ordered a barrel shoe paste because the shoe shoe factory which manufactured at that time all of the shoes at the military were they were inside walls of the institution while they order a barrel shoop pays from the company that The institutional racism from May pick it up hollowed out on the inside put a cachet. They have weapons to include six pistols six rifle one hundred seventeen blasting cap seventeen sticks of dynamite and one hundred hundred feet of blasting chord into an inner tube and sinking into this barrel. A shoe paste man paint it the color that the federal prison recognizes big noses. Yeah and they ship it into the institution that's amazing and once they got the weapons inside the institution they'd be. The biggest plot killer for the escape was frank. Nash and his crew Machine Gun. Kelly and Thomas James Holden Francis Keating had pulled up and and did a robbery of north met resulted in the death of the Bank President Sun and and Charlie Harman and they called. They got news to them and to them. It's ideas tuition telling them. Hey you know if you go. Oh Wow that day. You're on your own. There were hot for X.. Men Shot. We're not going to be down near the plan. was they. Were GonNA pull up in front of the institution with two separate cars that were manned with police radios for clothes for the guy's money for him to get out of the get out of town and that plan. Dan dissolved once. My Bank robbery went to pieces and so they were robbing a bank so that has some cash when they got down for the prison break and once you know in these small towns like this back in those days the the word went out especially if there was a murder lack that the word went out all the little towns around were were on the look. They're probably had a car description at least in and certainly weren't that many cars travelling around any on on the the more through roads. Once did a bonding. Clyde Tori taken. Some of the roads that they talked about them taking like one sixty nine and sixty nine murders or secondary roads now but those are the kinds of some of the only through road roads to get some of these places back in the thirties and and especially if it rain you know those other Rosier Metro. You're getting through them so these local policemen that they'll be looking out for any kind of a car that comes anywhere close and has people that don't really belong at in the country. So yeah they would have been hot. Yeah they so they were on the run and I always tell people from the this escape started falling apart because they picked the worth ward in the world ever take hostage. Yeah they took a guy with name of Thomas Bruce White Thomas Bruce White I grew up in Texas. His father author was a County sheriff and he grew up watching his dad in law enforcement forever and he and his brothers became became members of the Texas Rangers and he was a Texas Ranger for almost ten years became a railroad detective from a railroad detective decides ads in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. He's going to join the. US military and fight in World War One any pay flunks a physical and this guy blame of J. Edgar Hoover come calling and he says hey you know you're kind of the type of guy we're looking forward to form is agency called the Bureau of Investigation. And he him and his brother was. Actually what are the very first F. B. I.. Agents ever hired for the Bureau of Investigation would turn into the FBI on this was a guy who was was awarded. And and this was not just some bureaucrat. That had come up through you know as a good typist in in a connected to some politicians and then got promoted motive in the prison. Industry is what he's saying. Is that girl yeah he he was a very smart individual and and and tough to tough can. How did it go down today? In what what was kind of the overall plan. I guess the overall plan was to take the warden hostage force opened the gate. Well going back to. You don't want to set a routine. What are the things that that Thomas Bruce wight did every morning around? Nine o'clock after the institution. Stop Serving Breakfast and at that point in time one of the things. Everybody's kind of always ask that question. Well it takes three years develops escape. How did they get caught well? Back in the prohibition era when you've got all these gangsters running around you got bootleggers running around. You've got all these laws that the Harrison Narcotics Actors New prohibition is new The interstate transportation stolen vehicles becomes a federal crime. So you're talking about going. From an institution was originally designed to hold fifteen hundred inmates. During nineteen twenties their population was forty. Five hundred allows allows it was double neighbor gobbled up and they had they had inmates everywhere down to and it became a you know a lot of people take a look at the Birdman of Alcatraz and I think we'll just how does a guy maintain a bird aviary inside the walls of a federal prison. Yeah well it was sort of one of those things that they had so many inmates that they were kind of giving them something to do. It's kind of like the OUTTA sight Outta mind if we give you something to do. You're not creating havoc or chaos. So and that's how that works but they had Taken three years to the mastermind. This get anything and everything in and out and get it all set and older born December eleventh nineteen thirty one. Seven inmates put to escape plan to emotion lay lay a pretty well had to run at the inside of the prison. Sounds to me like these guys. Oh yeah a lot of those guys. They worked in and they used force passes to obtain access to what we call the recorder. The if you take a look at pictures of Leavenworth the institution the administration building is out. Front you come in the front door of the institution you pass through three grills now back then there was only two and you would get Access into the institutional the institution has a central Rotunda sorta like the Congressional building in Washington. DC and you walk down a long hallway and at the end of that hallway if you go straight back you've got the dining room on one side the auditorium on the other and you've got two exits one goes towards the west side of the institution one goes towards the east side of the institution to get you access outside while the inmates get up the rear quarter which is on the east side where they're coming from present. These two phony passes to the correctional officers there and lay get access at nearly take him hostage immediately. They've got the guns that got alll the dynamite and they had taken they've got the dynamite the weapons in the institution about three days before that and they had taken a dynamite and actually sweated nitroglycerine. LIZ run out of it by cooking it and put it on a bottle so they got into the main institution and warden was holding conferences. That morning with inmates. It's a hold meetings every morning then mates so used as they were. They knew inmates Rabin coming and going from the win and they knew exactly where he was going to be at any given time and the guy sitting at the desk talking to Frank. Tom White at the time was Fred Barker Mall Barker's a a New Year and the get up to the warden's office get inside the warden's office and they start throwing down and they even took it may toss stage judge. They took the inmates hostage. All the Staff Hostage Palm White Heard Commotion Going on outside its office. First thing he did was he took his car keys out of his pocket. The one hundred eighth his desk and cover them up of the rug and they come in forced him out of the office forced him towards the front door. Will they get to the front door. The institution Anders. This older correction officer and they look at him and tell him open the door and he says might open the door. There's only one man in the world to order me to open this door. And that's the word himself and one of them pulls up a stick dynamite lights a match and he tells me so so. You're not open this door I'm gonNA blow. All the hell. Correctional Officer looks at them. insys domino old man. We'll see each other and hell man as a deaf. Oh bird there and white kind of seeing the situation as it was as if they blow up the front end of the institution because a larger escape so he kind of prevails. Calmer heads I guess and tells the officer said look just open the door let us go out front door. Yeah and and we'll we'll deal with it from there and they start out the front door they've got all these hostages got eleven hostages Dodie they force their way out the door and the officers up in tower there was a main tower that sets out front of Leavenworth and at that time there was a cat walk around the tower one of the officers recognizes. What's going on at the moment? What they step out on the Front Portico of the institution and he jumps up and rips the canvas off of a One thousand nine hundred nineteen seventeen belt fed. Yeah I was GONNA say Browning rounding machine gun he would have been armed with at least be ours up there but they had a bad mouthing grounded. Wow and he pulls a canvasback awards like Hayes. Let's let's think about what's going on a minute wait a minute. I'm down there. So they get down to the bottom of the stairs and they grab white start across the front lawn with him towards warden's house which at that point time was on the front lawn of the tuition. They they start out over the the lawn and the guy in the armory opens fire on them late. Start to return fire and whitest once again. He he tells them. Hey you you know. Let's think about what we're doing here we've got you know houses across the street and really innocent people doing whatever and they got all the way to the warden's house jump in his garage. They jump in his car and the inmates. Say where's the keys. I left them in my office. Ah well now it becomes a free for all. They have nobody to blame themselves on that one and they jump out of the car and once they get out of the car as soon as they get out of the car. The powerhouse whistle muscle starts blowing. Yeah you could say they every institution. Every institution has a whistle that alerts the staff that are not on duty method trouble at the institution. You need responded institution less the town around because it's built right you know practically in the town. Oh yeah townspeople note. Hey there's escape so late. They run towards Metropolitan Avenue. Which is the street that runs in front of the institution and at that point in time? Missile how desperate guys can be. There used to be a bus stop right there. They're actually contemplating. Hey we need to jump as bus and taking hostage to get out of town and one of them recognized. How's the car going East metropolitan and they jump out in front of the car? which was a group of Buffalo soldiers from Fort Leavenworth? They were coming back from rabbit hunt so they force them out of the car and well now we have more weapons and ammunition. We have more you know more of everything so they spend in the car around the head out west and ask the warden. What's the quickest way out of here? And he tells them. Well he's if you follow the you take right up here in follow the highway out. You'll be in Kansas within about twenty thirty minutes. You go across the bridge get on the back roads and nobody ever know where you're at or whatever get over to Missouri from there and the the guy that was driving a car was a relatively new inmate to the institution by the name of Charlie Berta Out San Francisco and he looks at the warden and he says you're lying. Well this is where everything goes crazy. Because the previous month was a record month for rain and freezing and thawing so they wind up believe in the pavement. Turn It on the twentieth and metropolitan into a into a mud road. But Barry's got eight people in a car. You're not going anywhere those skinny tires and cars. You're not going anywhere and they actually bury the car. Rei Mud and roll it over boy and they get out of the car and they take off running up the street. And it's it's just almost like a keystone cops type. They are running up the street trying to find cars to steal and one of the authors that was responding to the institution. They actually jumped him and took his car threw him out on the curb and took off West of town and while there. I'm and we're talking back country roads back then and befuddled Laden and their bogging down. Will they get out to a place called possum hollow which is just you know every little ever. We're a little portion of town back then had its own little name jazzy. Valley we at the Tennessee Valley foams of Boston Mahler and they get out there. And there's this little one room schoolhouse called a possum hollow school and they say this Carson out frontal they're gonNA steal it to break up the amount of people that are in cars. I will get into school terrorizing kids. The kids are all screaming and everything and one of the guys runs up and he grabs a schoolteachers purse. And says give me the keys to call her out there and the teacher looks at them. So I'm just a schoolteacher. That car is all. I've really got started battering back and forth over a purse and keys. And she's give me back my purse and he's give me my keys. GimMe Back my first. You've keys she's I'll give you the keys. Give me back my purse so and get up in front stick. The keys and ignition of the car turned a car. Nothing happens will. The teacher had problems with the car. So they'd actually actually push a push button. Start up underneath the dash where she can push a button to start power yeah. They didn't know that so they abandoned that car. Jump in the back in the car and back out of the highway they go and about a mile or so down the road. They thought they were turning into a another road and they were actually turned into into a back lot drive to a farm and they just as soon as they turned into they buried the car. All the way up to the axles and now they're caught again now now it reminded was machine gun Kelly out there with these guys machine guns killing 'em from the inside. But he actually helped Thomas Dreams over to Francis Keating get out and they actually released machine gun Kelly for good conduct early from a two year sentence that he was doing for smuggling alcohol on an Indian reservation. Version Oklahoma say. He was better to wait for that. He probably knew he was a shorttimer so he didn't go along on that but he did and he was already out at that point in time he was he actually helped him smuggled weapons the weapons in interesting he was looking for for recruits freeze bank robbing crew probably got free. Oh Yeah and a lot of those guys you take take a look at the makeup of some of those cruise. The Mall Barker Gang Machine Gun Kelly Gang Frank Mash gang the Thomas Old Gang A lot of those gangs back them. They inner worked with a lot of each other. They knew each other. I noticed that and anyway they they get out there. They take the whole family hostage. Well by this time. You've got everybody that could carry a gun in all these guys and they've even got airplanes up in the air from Fort Leavenworth. The military prison at Fort Leavenworth at that point in time was what was called the Federal Prison Annex. Everybody kind of gets a little bit confused when you talk about the military prison and penitentiary. They're two separate titians about three miles apart and twice during that military prisons history. It's been part of the. US prison system. It was actually the home of the very first federal prison in Leavenworth. I opened and the inmates from that institution built the current day Federal Prison March and back and forth three miles every day and the military prison hasn't had been turned over again to the Federal Bureau. Prisons because of a riot occurred at Leavenworth in August of nineteen thirty because of the overcrowded conditions and poor. Four everything was going on in the institution at the time so they reopened it to kind of relieve the overcrowding situation in that prison the officers from the military or the military prison responded over to the Federal Prison and two companies of soldiers actually responded to the institution itself Lil wants. Those inmates got out the front door. It was mere chaos institution. Inmates were inmates knew what was going on and they decided that they were going to and kind of be a little bit. Some of them were kind of Passive about what they were doing. Some of them were even more a little bit more. Active in almost sheer right was breaking out inside the institution so they they decided that. Hey you know what we're going to send to companies soldiers inside the walls the institution and once they end made Satan two full companies soldiers coming inside the institution with weapons and loaded for bear. They were kind of like we don't want nothing to do with that so they hey doll. March back to their cells. Got Him locked up and the manhunt was on and everything from the city. Police to the county sheriff's to anybody had to carry a gun and knew the terrain then had already notified the FBI in Kansas City the FBI and the kind of misunderstood facts facts about the FBI was is that they didn't actually carry guns until after Frank Mash Killing Union station and that's actually inaccurate. You're at the FBI agents could carry guns and be armed. The only thing that they had to do was is when they went into a municipality say they came from Kansas City to Leavenworth they had to notify the authorities that they were actually FBI and they were carrying guns and get the approval the nave from the local authorities to whether they could carry or your gun inside the municipality so they get out. The inmates are continuing their quest for freedom. And they take the family hostage and everything's going south so they decided they're going to start walking a cow path over to the next farm over in order to get to the closest highway. It's actually paved and and they marked probably about a half a mile over this farm. They take more hostages all the way that their margin over there they got airplanes in her head. They've got guys could see that are approaching from all angles another armed sound like going to have a good ending no invades and and maybe some hostages to and they can out on the league to this farm and they break they break into the farm. Take another family hostage and it was decided decided at that point in time they were gonNA take three people with them out to the highway. They told everybody else to get into the basement. Took these three including a man and a wife and one of their farm workers and they started towards the road and as they're walking towards the road you're seeing the posse which at this time according to the FBI reports and and local newspaper reports and stuff like that numbered anywhere from five hundred thousand. I'll let her on the trail of seven guys so they get out to the highway and of course you know anytime you have a big deal going on anywhere you've got sightseers everybody's out looking for the action. So here comes. This color of sightseers up the road at the little coupe and they stopped his car. Tell them to get out of the car. And it's a couple of kids kids and they're you know they tell them to walk back up the road and don't look back well back. In that era coupes got two seats in the front and what they call a rumbles back back. Yeah and it's there's no way it's going to hold seven individuals running boards though Weld Brennan boards but they needed another cars. Ars what your vehicles vehicle suspensions of a long way since nineteen twenties and thirties so they told three other for the other guys shake out and find another vehicle vehicle. They're gonNA take this one. Yeah well you've got three guys on the warden. Four guys were naturally never standing alongside the road and and those guys the others take off looking for another vehicle. The warden looks up and he sees one of the inmates come up with a thirty ought six rifled imported towards the kids walking back up the road and he took that opportunity. You got three hostages standing there one of them's a female and the whole time on walked across this field award and told him. Hey you know you don't need to do anything of this girl. She's not you know she's not part of this. You don't have to do anything in her her. And whatever and the inmates telling you know you don't have to worry about it because I want to kill you. I don't worry about it so the warden kind of concerned about the situation with a female and the other two hostages reach up and grabs one of the inmates that has a shotgun and get an struggle over a shotgun and he had made hollers hours. He's trying to get the gun. We'll eaten toward haller's hostages to run and the inmate with thirty ought six walks up behind him. Hits Him in the back of the head and he let's go with a shotgun and the inmate with a shotgun turns around and load both barrels into the warden and blows him into a ditch. Well now they think they've killed the warden. Yeah so they jump in the car all four of them they take off his. They're taking off. Here comes the warden sedan up over the top of the hill side with three correctional officers and a deputy warden inside the car. And you've got county sheriff that is headed headed in their direction and this is the middle of highway ninety two in Leavenworth. They actually engage in a gun battle or these guys are. The inmates have got thirty ought sixes and pistols and shotguns. Well they're getting shot at by five people that have Thompson Forty five caliber machine guns. I got and they actually struck the car and hit and it made by the name of we'll green was one of the escapee's hit him in the head and actually tell you how her hardheaded he was. The bullet didn't penetrate his head but it actually fractured skull so they wind up. They think they're going to get off the road into another another Back Road and they turn into the driveway of a home and here we are again mud and they bury this coupe. All all the way up to the axles and they get out and they start running towards US House more hostages. Only guy in this house believe it or not was seventy three year old farmer banana. Ms Emerson Salisbury Oldbury. And he looks sees these guys coming and he says Yup Hutton fellows and they said no. We're the we're the hunted. And they put him in. The House. alson started looking for additional weapons and trying to figure out a way out will one of them on the way up the oldest made out of the crew grover to real had told them you know we get up at House. We're not getting out of it. You might if I shake out and try to find my own way and it's like you know go do what you gotta do on. And then grow received realm got out on his own. And you've got three inmates in the house for about the next three and a half hours this house is literally bombarded with POSSE member shooting in the house. They shot tear gas into the house. Inmates are shooting back. Emerson Salisbury Seventy thirty. Three years old is in the House and he stuck and he even actually went up on the top floor of the house into the attic and started waving a white a handkerchief and they actually started shooting so you know he finally decided. Hey this is my chance. Yeah there's no prisoners in that deal so he actually slid down the way they describe it. There is a The I'm not even exactly sure how to even describe it for your listeners. He just it actually slid down a chute and went out the front door. At least three inmates were stuck in the house and there was no way out they knew there. There was no way out and from what the coroner's report read. Two of. The inmates suffered gunshot wounds one behind the left ear. One behind a writer and to the right temple. KUDA MAS like I said no prisoners in this deal here. Well that's a hell of a story you know kind of running low on time folks. You need to get this book. I as you can tell all this is one hell of a story. That's a good read and find out exactly what happened in the end. Is there any any last things you want him to look for that book and one of the things things. This book kind of describes a and it's been well received through the correctional community throughout the United States One of the if you go to Amazon and you read the comment that the guy put on there. It's actually refreshing to read a book that was written by somebody that actually worked in prison environment. Yeah instead of somebody money that writes a book about prisons. That doesn't know anything he knows about it now. It gives you the inner workings of how prisons work and it shows you how the inner workings escape will actually Take time to do how they get things in. And out of the institution how they communicate inside now the institution it'll give you the framework Of all of the characters in the book how they managed wind up in the federal prison system. Frank Nash and his crew. Neil KEESA train robbery. Thomas strangehold and Frank Francis Keating Machine Gun Kelly how they wound up after the escape some of going to Alcatraz the outcome of how they all their lives ended and how they some of them became outstanding citizen. Some of never became anything other than an inmate's enter dead or dead and Thomas James Holden actually most people don't he's not an everyday name in in criminal circles goals in today's society. Most people don't realize Thomas James hold and actually would become the very first man of replaced. FBI's most wanted list really his notoriety. As being a bad guy was well documented and Charlie Berta the driver of the car he would actually be sent to Alcatraz contrast and he was actually the last man ever to be placed in what they call the Dutch unit Alcatraz because he was such a malcontent. He he finally gets out of prison and becomes a bartender in a bar in his hometown of San Francisco where he can look out the front door the bar and see al Astra and but the whole story behind itself and how they actually purchased the barrel shoe wax and how they purchased a weapons and everything was all brought out of When I started getting interested in this book back when I first started work at a prison I started collecting anything and everything I could find about this escape which included newspaper articles? I've got pictures from the actual of the Escape Deep Network Hers News Agency photographs that I purchased through Ebay. I got this idea that you know. Hey maybe I should call the FBI guy and send them a four year request and see exactly what they send me. When you're thinking about escape that occurred eighty years prior and you're thinking well the F. B. is probably got one or two pages on it and they'll or they'll tell me Your Adalah and might did you get well? I get this letter and they tell me we're sending you were sending you pages. How much is it GONNA cost? I believe it or not. The only cost me sixty dollars. You Got Lucky. Well they cost me sixty bucks and the FBI. I got I got five envelopes. The contain twenty five hundred pages now and the box and a To compact disc of additional down pages that was amazing. They even the the investigation and some of the things. I wasn't able to because when you write a book if you're all we're ever thinking about writing a book there's things that are part heart of the book and there's things that are not part of the book and I had to decide to leave some of the some of the things out of the book that were not consequential to the escape the the actual outcome of it There were instances where they thought that the Kansas City Mafia had actually finance part of the escape. uh-huh help purchase the weapons and stuff. That didn't pan out all those leads. If all those leads that they followed down a rabbit hole that really don't pan out big investigation lack that the phones start ringing. You start rattling your informants out there and they write down everything and so he'll have a story they wanNA tell and if if interesting if anybody after ever wants to really just find out you know when you sit here and listen to Senate confirmation hearings and and these these guys talk about you know we do a form thirty two and and and we do this and and we. We don't do that. We get yourself I I did get yourself some. FBI files and see exactly how an FBI investigation works and it's amazing what you find in another thing here of two. I'll give a plug to the guys at the National Archives and Records Administration here in Kansas. City they're helpful. They're they're an amazing group individuals to work with and I've worked with many times and the inmate files for Leavenworth or actually on filed with the National Archives here in Kansas City. Devil pershing pershing road and the I went down there. 'cause I asked him I said so. Do you have the court case for when these is guys were tried for escape and they got back with me and said well you know as a matter of fact yes we do. Yeah they've got is amazing what they have and I went down to the National Archives that day. They brought the pile up from caves in Kansas City. Yeah and I was going through the court case and they actually had they except for the weapons opens. They had all of the evidence. Rally that's unusual there to find well as the evidence or anything. I was actually blown away at the fact that they had the they had. The original forged passes that the that the inmates had used to get into the main quarterly institution. They had the hotel tale registry from the Hotel in Cicero Illinois. That Frank Thomas Holden when Francis Keating and all them had Stayed in and I was looking at the registry. They were there several times while the FBI'd ahead of description and Eric how they figured out who the radius were and had pointed out where they had signed under aliases in the in the hotel. And when I was going through there I noticed that Frank Nashes alias was written underneath the name of billy for Shit Tale really and I really I really kinda found that really kind of interesting and that was one of one of the page that I included in the and a book was the fact that you know. Here you've got frank. Nash and crew masterminded an escape. They would actually lead to a very similar escape of the diller crew out of the Michigan City prison in Indiana. And I'm like you know is the ray connection between Green Evelyn for Shit being in the hotel at the same time. Yeah I probably was dull could have been there at that time. How helping them with the planned land so interesting entry? This has been great Ken this has been great. So we'll You know how to go out and find his book and and you're GonNa get a lot of bonuses in that that book and the documents and that he researched in photos and everything and his other book about Leavenworth Prison Acadia Book. It's more of a picture picture picture history of of Leavenworth and just go just go to Amazon and search the name Kenneth Lay master L. A. M. A. S. I T E R and we're GONNA wind on down here folks if you have a friend or relative has a problem with drugs or alcohol make your first call first call call late one six three six one fifty nine hundred or go to their website. WWW DOT I call casey dot org and if you want to find any mind material go to my right website. WWW dot gangland wired dot com. You'll find my most recent movie brothers against brothers. This avella Spiro. War Did a lot of reenactments in this movie more than I did not in the last one at a lot of fun doing those during one of our local kind of Irish pub kind of a bar. Kelly's into a strip club for one night Titan and we had a lot of fun with that so go out and get that or gangland. Wire my book leaving Vegas how. FBI worked APPS in mob domination of Las Vegas Casinos IOS and recommend you get the kindle version because I've I've connected the actual audio for many of the wiretaps to the kindle version you could listen to the people people as you Read the story about this money from Las Vegas Casinos. My I got my APP candy mob tour APP. You want to get that and you can take a mob tour of Kansas City. Wherever you are you could be in in Russia and take a mob tour of Kansas City? Thanks to the miracle of the Internet so can't has been great great having you here a pleasure being here all right. Thank you tonight. Folks music provided by our good friend and superfan profanity from Portland Oregon. Casey McBride Thanks Casey.
October 22, 2020: Pretty Boy Floyd Killed
"Shipped. Done. Differently, their expert shoppers, pickup, fresh groceries, household essentials, and even pet supplies from local stories you love. Get everything delivered to your door and as soon as one hour. About, full shoppers unbelievably fresh produce and peace of mind that's the difference shipped makes try same-day delivery for yourself at dot com slash true crime today. Once again, that's S. H. I. P. T. dot com slash true crime. Today is Thursday October Twenty Second Two thousand twenty on this day in Nineteen thirty, four, Charles Pretty boy floyd died after a shootout with the police he was wanted for the Kansas City massacre of violent altercation in July of nineteen three. The took the lives of three police, officers and one FBI agent after his death floyd would go on to become a mythical icon of depression era America. Welcome to today in true crime a spotify original from podcast due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today, we're covering the gruesome slaying of Mus Robber Charles Pretty, boy floyd. Now let's go back to the evening of October twenty second nineteen thirty four. Charles Floyd tramped through the woods of East Liverpool Ohio. He'd been on the run for over a year and he knew the cops were still on his tail after all FBI Director J Edgar, Hoover had fingered him for what went down in Kansas City. It didn't matter how much floyd denied having anything to do with those dead officers. Hoover had labeled him public enemy number one that left floyd with two choices run or end up six feet under like John Dillinger Floyd chose to run but after being spotted on October Twentieth Nineteen thirty four around East Liverpool he really needed to lay low. So at the site of a friendly little farmhouse, he slow down walked up and knocked. Forty one year old ellen cockle opened the door and honestly she didn't know what to make of the disheveled fellow on the other side. He told her he was a hunter but there was something about his eyes when he said it, she didn't buy it. Ellen was a widow and all alone. So when the shabby looking man asked if he could enter, she felt like she didn't have any other choice she even went as far as making the disconcerting stranger a warm meal serving up spare ribs, Rice Pumpkin Pie and coffee. Floyd couldn't believe his luck. He told Ellen that the spread was a meal fit for a King. It was something worth acknowledging. For A boy who grew up in abject poverty? Was Born in Nineteen Oh four in Georgia. But grew up in Oklahoma after his family moved there in nineteen eleven like almost everyone he knew his parents were farmers who barely got by there was no honor in poverty and eventually not having enough to eat war on floyd right about when he turned eighteen, he'd had enough. So he robbed a neighborhood post office and got away with it if he couldn't come by the good things in life honestly then he get them the other way. The first big job floyd pulled was a payroll robbery at a kroger store warehouse in Saint Louis Missouri. He walked away heavy with approximately twelve thousand dollars and he likely felt grand but the good vibes didn't last his first big job earned him a stint in the Missouri State Penitentiary it wouldn't be his last. The Minute Floyd was released he got right back to pulling cons. He was happy to dabble with stick them up bank jobs but another of his specialties became highway robbery it was like fish in a barrel. All Floyd had to do was stand by the road with a power to flash machine gun and they could take their pick of any drivers bounty. Sure. It meant that floyd spent periods of nineteen, twenty, nine and nineteen, thirty in and out of jail but it beat being poor life was good. It was around this time that floyd picked up the nickname pretty boy some claim it was given to him by particularly amorous sex worker. He patronized floyd hated the moniker but his problems went it was a pretty benign one to have. And then things got complicated. Floyd continued to escalate his criminal activity and from nineteen twenty, nine to the early nineteen thirties. He mainly became involved in robbing banks. He hit up banks across the Midwest primarily in Ohio and Oklahoma with a crew of big time heavies. He became infamous for using machine guns and firing their bullets at a whim. His cavalier violence might be why the police suspected him for the Kansas City massacre what went down in Kansas City initially had nothing to do with floyd instead, it concerned a career criminal named Frank Nash. Nash had been convicted of assault armed brewery and murder. He was on the run after escaping prison in nineteen thirty however, three years. Later, he was caught an on June seventeenth nineteen, thirty three a group of armed officers were tasked with transporting him back to the Leavenworth prison outside of Kansas, city however upon arriving at Union station on route to the penitentiary gunmen opened fire on the group according to several accounts. The assailants were accomplices of Nash who were trying to help rescue him. If this was the case, their efforts were counterproductive as Nash was caught in the crossfire and killed. So worth three officers and one federal agent. Doodoo his presence in the area at the time and his notoriety as a trigger happy gunman FBI Director J Edgar Hoover fingered floyd as the mastermind behind the shootings declaring him public enemy number one after that the chase was on and pretty boy floyd was forced to go on the run. Coming up the police tried to track down pretty boy floyd. Listeners. Who Doesn't love a good ghost story rattling chains mysteriously moving objects unfinished business. 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So make sure to search podcast network in the spotify search bar to see all our new shows. This episode of today in true crime is brought to you by simply safe simply safe was designed to be easy to use while protecting your whole home twenty, four seven you can order it online with just the click of a button when mine arrived I was eager to get it set up immediately it didn't take long I just had to place the sensors plugged in and connected to my Wifi. Then suddenly my whole home was protected, I didn't have to worry about tools or drilling or waiting around for technicians. The setup is also intuitive and. The components blend into my home seamlessly as a single mom who's main job is related to true crime I really appreciate the peace of mind that simply safe brings their pricing is fair honest. You can get twenty, four, seven, professional monitoring and emergency dispatch starting at just fifty cents a day not bad for what? US, news and World Report called the best. Overall Home Security of twenty twenty head to simplisafe dot com slash today and get a free hd camera that simplisafe dot com slash today to make sure they know that our show sent you. Now back to the story. On October Twenty Second Nineteen thirty four pretty boy floyd was on the run from the FBI and by the end of the day, he'd be dead in the crossfire of a federal manhunt. FBI Director J Edgar Hoover had helped apprehend notorious gangster John Dillinger, and he was determined to do the same with Charles Pretty Boy Floyd. But Floyd was putting on a good escape act in the aftermath of the Kansas City massacre. He'd been laying low in cooks and Oklahoma with this criminal accomplice Adam Rossetti. This was made easier due to the fact that locals loved Floyd. Authorities might have considered him to be an amoral gangster but cookson residents soft Loyd is a sort of Robin Hood figure. They had heard tales about how floyd made sure to destroy all the mortgage documents in every bank. He robbed in Depression Era America many families lost their homes due to an inability to pay their mortgage for that reason stories of floyd saving farmers from foreclosure by destroying these documents made him a folk hero. It's actually unclear whether floyd ever did rip up any mortgage documents but regardless people believed he did. So they helps the bank robber and his accomplice evade the police unfortunately that luck ran dry. As night fell on October twenty second nineteen, thirty four after a year of being hot on Floyd's tail federal authorities finally caught up to the gangster on Ellen cockles farm near east. Liverpool. Ohio after he and his accomplice Adam Rosetti were spotted in the area two days earlier. After eating a meal fit a king at the widow's house, floyd likely had a full belly and high spirits. Perhaps that's what caused him to let his guard down. While searching the area police spotted floyd as he was about to enter the car of cockles brother day wasted no time in catching him. On. Seeing them floyd took off sprinting across the cornfields police officers gave chase firing a hailstorm of bullets all the while ultimately Lloyd didn't stand a chance. He was hit. He fell and as he lay dying the cops allegedly questioned him about the Kansas City massacre imploring him to confess his part in it but floyd said nothing and then he was gone. To. This Day it's unclear whether floyd was involved in the Kansas City slayings. What is clear however is that his legend lived on and the gangster would even go on to be immortalized in the Woody Guthrie. Song. That bears his name. Thanks for listening to today and true crime. I'm Vanessa. Richardson today in true crime is a spotify original from podcast. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. 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Making The Transition To Small Business Owner from 20 Year Employee
"PODCAST is for you Michael Logan and Jonathan Nevarez over twenty years of combined experience as successful renewal vice on this show is what the the you're listening to commonsense show if you've just started a business or if you're just thinking about it fifteen so four years we have about two hundred and seventy seven members right now and our average eft per adams from catalyst performance and nutrition in Missouri Before we get into this conversation today Michael Logan and Jonathan Welcome to the common sense show Feature Common Sense Conversation Mica Jonathan and how you doing. I'm doing good Mike how you doing Jonathan Good I'm doing well thanks blood so Jim is the owner of catalysts performance oh at the common sense podcast dot com and working they subscribe to the show they can subscribe to the show on stitchers spotify onto small-business advisors and we try to get the most bang for our buck in these conversations and we have a good one for you today today we have Jimmy training facility we just do small group personal training small group large group one on one in Saint Louis Missouri we've been open since April of two thousand is to common guys with business sense common sense conversations is a feature that we have we interview small business owners entrepreneurs and functional nutrition in Saint Louis Missouri. He's in the fitness industry and he's also the host of a podcast called the masters and fitness business so wonderful bonding story in Atlanta when we became A condo brothers yeah that's right that's right if you've ever seen a picture of big Jim's dad then he broadcast the I've listened to for quite some time so we're going to talk to Jim Today about his small business starting his business running it and even about the podcast like the podcast uh-huh big old Jim most works Nicole me he's always teases me about the girl tells me I'm on the wrong end of the Dumbbell rack man yeah and you have to you have to get get around to the Macondo written all over him with the Afro and everything it's pretty awesome so jim can you tell the listeners a little bit about yourself qualify yourself as a small business owner member is right around two fifty and we're looking to grow that emt per member and also grow to about two hundred clients have right team in place that I I spent a lot of energy getting this team in place in now I have a great team as it sits right now when you started your business a little bit about Your Business and yeah that kind of stuff okay yeah I own cattle strengthened functional nutrition it's three thousand square foot since podcast twitter at sense podcast and we're gonNA email us today In response to interview him right they email us an infant. Why don't we start off with some social media shot Jonathan where can you find us on facebook yeah manic finance at facebook dot com slash the commerce podcasts instagram at the comments as long as there's nobody rocking the boat so things are good and then I started the a podcast now entering my third year SARS we started in March of two thousand sixteen Masters and fitness business podcasts were interview successful fitness business owners I google items player fan you got a lot of places you go if you like what you hear give us a five star review were there with their phone demonic on this common sense conversation today we have my buddy Jim Adams Jim and what and what that was like for him to start so we want you to enjoy this conversation with us today as we get started with Jim Adams or big Jim as I call them about what works what doesn't work their successes and failures in ironically enough that's how I met the one of the hosts of this show Mica and then we became I was thinking to myself like he's got some pretty big name guests on there and I think as a small business owner this tells you why so important to reach out and so listen to the podcast like three or four times Ma friends when we met face-to-face in Atlanta I know what are the chances this is shows you how important it is a small business owner to reach out I remember I listened to the podcast and like in a row with off like like you know the who you had on the show and I just remember like having to reach out to you and say hey man I think what you're doing right here is great I appreciate ninety and we had about fifteen hundred square foot studio in there were four trainers were doing strictly one on one training and just let you know the price of one on one training fifteen what were the planning stages like what prompted you to to WanNa start catalysts back then what was your process like when you starting and and then when I left I was there for twenty two years I was the manager when I left too we had built a seventeen thousand square foot facility you work the information was good it was really good in the number does to meet Jim? MLB back like hey I love to have you on the show and I I went on it was it was really and we had over thirty trainers when I left but I wanted to try this group training thing this small group training that I kept hearing about so I left in two thousand it's about you know it's it's your network your network is your net worth and I firmly believe that in your always got you know the ABC always what was like your planning like before you open your doors so I I'll take you back a little bit I was a personal trainer I've been at the personal trainer since doesn't thirteen and I rented some space and another small studio in Saint Louis in started doing small group training and a grew back in Saint Louis in one thousand nine hundred thirty five bucks for an hour how they right yeah inflation right inflation you competition but January nineteen ninety so a long time and I was at a one on one facility a started there in January nineteen he owns a studio where I was renting space from it was outgrowing the studio and encroaching on his business though he so he jacked up my rent like three gotta be close in you always gotta be reaching out to people in growing developing yourself I agree with that one hundred percent so tell us Jim when you start a business in two thousand you faster than I anticipated and it grew so fast that the guy that I was renting space from in the studio early fun and before you know what we were in the mastermind group isn't that wild crazy yeah crazy yeah yeah it was good now it's cool zero to get employees on the same page and it creates more of a cooperative environment than a competitive environment that you find in some of these places where there's and I went to his one day workshop and he blew up my business plan for those guys who know Thomas Palmer you know what I'm talking about I went back to the drawing board because I hadn't opened the doors yet so I went back to the drawing board and kind of use a lot of his models doing the three tiered membership plan doing eft all of those things so for those of you who listen to to the show of independent contractors so that's what I did and I came up with the business plan and then I don't know how but somehow I found my way to Thomas plummer aged instead of selling packages or hours Input in your sessions in hours or packages instead doing I e F T electronic funds the way that I thought they would fit into the Saint Louis market and so that's where I started was basically with Thomas plummer in that model during the memberships offer so that you know the money comes automatically every month so instead of like like pain like for Like sessions want me here so I started looking for a space to do my own thing and I was originally just looking for like a thousand fifteen hundred square feet just to do kind of a one man hundred percent and so I said so you're telling me you don't want me here he goes no no no I want you here I go nobody jacks up somebody's rent on announced three hundred percent unless who don't know Thomas Plummer is a as a business coach in the fitness industry and so Thomas has been around for many years who for a longtime has pre but I would say that I get a lot out of the phone calls and he's got he's got over forty years of experience in the fitness business so you know I call them the self so I got to bring on help I gotta bring on other trainers and I wanted him to be employees not independent contractors because it's easy you separate yourself from the pack rise above the noise you have to be professional and that's the way that you conduct business the way that you carry yourself the way you dress and a in a box that's dirty dingy and smelly won't fly in today's market if you want to be successful in today's fitness business market yeah that's that's pretty cool yeah absolutely yeah and Thomas Plumber he's he's my business coach I have regular phone calls with them and I wouldn't say that I enjoy the phone calls being professional and if you are professional than you're able to charge more for your services not less even in a supercomputer oh so I was looking for a job not a business but all I can find the smallest space I could find was three thousand square feet so let's say I gotTa make this go and I it's too big for me to make go by me the father of the fitness business world and the other thing that he preaches a lot is that this is the age of the professional trainer so if you want to leave the door you have to have many touches after they leave your facility for the for their session for the day all of those things so he really preaches ask the way your studio looks so the the the age of the trainer in a cutoff t shirt and you know Kinda raggedy shorts I talk a lot about on the podcast about specializing in not just being a generalist You know I always feel like you know specialists eat at a time like you can like basically like us you're selling like it's like a personal trainer like a gym membership you know what I mean so expert so that you become either product or destination so if you specialize in some small niche and I think today you have to specialize I think the aid sort of environment yeah I think that's interesting to you know like especially for a lot of service based businesses like a lot of businesses they still seem to be you gotta look the part you gotTa have a Polo where the logo everybody on the same page every looks professional from the time you walk into the door till well after you leave and and so if you're a commodity then you're competing on price and if you competing on price than urine a losing battle so you have to position yourself as an stuck in the seventies and eighties and we start to see there's a lot of trends changing now where people could do a lot more things online they can use like of the generalist in the fitness industry is gone you have to specialize you have to have a niche and you have to go deep into that niche so that you become an expert attic than you rise above that level of commodity it allows you to rise above the noise out there and be heard in people seek you out wouldn't you know you talked about it in the service industry a lot of people see the service industry I and I'm just gonNA use personal training as an example as a commodity they were come further to see you because of your specialty of your expertise and they will pay a premium price so as I got more clients in more business in my monthly eft amount went up a monthly revenue went up then I would grow the business at that that a business loan to start and I spent way more money than I should have looking back on it I would have spent a fracture you know his pants or sagged and plumber's crack showing you know his hands dirty it's like dude you take a shower the night before Oiseaux twenty two years in the same place like that is unheard of like especially in this industry like no assays at the same job on your golf game you gotta go see Mike because he is the golf guy don't go see anyone else just go see Michael then you become that expert then you become a pro because of that expertise so I think that's the key to being able to rise at least in the fitness industry being able to rise above their commodity level APPS and stuff and the type of people that are come into your home like you know you can have a plumber back in the day that you know is going to come to your house for that long right have you heard of that before no yeah that's crazy yeah I it's very old non millennial of me it over again I would not do it so I took out a hundred thousand dollar loan and did the build out in the equipment and all that good stuff so in that area of fitness and people seek you out they seek out your product and then you cease becoming a commodity you know they say Oh if you WANNA work organizing yourself to spend that much money yet again it's a it's a learning curve I was a trainer starting a business and I didn't know I hadn't started the climb that learning curve to it that skill set of being a business owner instead of a trainer so when I started my business rate but as it as it was I had investor and he had deep pockets and I use them not knowing any better I thought more was better but you know it's funny if I had to do it all over again I would do differently so I had an investor who gave me alone where he could do some things that really enjoy like travel and gone some fishing trips and things like that without any fear of him getting hurt while he was doing these things specialist eat first generalists excuse me generalists eat last specialist Assad off what they know so like definitely in this business landscape is important to specialize and people will come find you in I'm here to tell you that's not the case I'm not drowning in debt but if I had my chance I hate debt in if I had my chance on my chance to you know with whatever you're doing yeah yeah and the other thing that I just to jump on to that point guys is that I think it's really important local mistakes of bought all this equipment I overspent on equipment I under spent on marketing in ahead I would not take on so much debt right away and then build up as one of my former guests said I would grow at the rate of cash but for me getting back to your original point I made full confidence in my business plan which blew up the minute I walk open the doors and had to make changes right away I'm a I'm a on the cusp of baby boomer so another question to ask you jim where did you find the money to start your business what is you get that cash from well I was looking at it through the Lens of a trainer not a business owner again which is where a lot of the mistakes came from if I again if I had to do it all over again I would change it the marketing budget schedule Strategy Tactics targets you know as far as how many people that we how many leads we will and I stuck with advice the biggest thing for me was getting mastermind group and finding business coach in a lot mostly with the debt and growing at the rate of cash those are the two biggest things start small and growth rate of cash. That's what I would recommend to anybody wanted to generate of those leads how many people we need to get on trials each month and out of those trials what percentage we need to convert that to break even and then to make profits so those are the same numbers that we use today to grow the business is that we look at marketing what's working what's not expe- moving the needle more these days for us and then we stick to the same you know as far as Leeds trials in new memberships people who borrow money have fears how are you able to get over your fears of barring the money given that you'd never bothered that much money before the past what were you able to do in terms of at the investor and so it was at one of your clients or family friends that you were working with a client of mine that actually it's part of the Bush I could tell by your laughter that you guys can relate to that Oh yeah you know you have to you have to make some real world pivots on the fly which I did in one of the money that is spent to open up now I say that say that I'm very proud of the facility that we put together but if I had to do it all again I would start small identifies that I had a marketing problem as Thomas said you have to feed that pig so we jumped on it and we started marketing and we established you book. It's one of the things that Garbo talks which is fatal assumption that just because you know just because you know the technical work of the job doesn't necessarily mean that you there are some I won't lie there was some lane times man times on thinking am I gonNa have enough to you know make payroll things like that and but I I just stuck with it so he was very grateful and he showed his gratitude by helping me start my own business so his question so a lot of it family so he he was a good client known I help them out quite a bit he was in pretty bad shape when he came to me and we got him back to yes years which is you know nowadays unheard of So I had a loyal following and when I was renting space in the studio I had get off the phone with Thomas in he we identify the problems he giving some projects to work on some homework and I do it so the one of the first things we you just show up at eight o'clock all dirty and stuff so you know I definitely get that so I think that's smart yeah this is a good point so like Johnson started to grow so did my clients. Yeah that's like that's so powerful I can definitely relate you know it's funny yeah because AOL so it's not just me it's not limited by my time in my ability but but by the system and the model that I was running for they let so as as my training as my training model grew and I and I structured it to ski you know how to run a business you don't even Jonathan Yeah Yeah Yeah now those that's like a completely different skill set but I did actually want to ask a question sorted install those systems in the business and my clients starting to see more and more of my staff and less and less of me on the training the whole model and trying to scale it in you want it you need to get away from doing those technical things as much as you love them you know it's an and what's our return on investment on our marketing efforts we've got away from a lot of the social media stuff and we do a lot of a lot more community stuff because on my pod cash podcast is yeah I did have a had a tremendously loyal following I had clients that I've been training for twenty when I started to do that I noticed that the type of clients that I was attracting change so it evolved as my business model evolved to to help you get started with your new studio it's funny that you say that and I had a conversation with Frank Nash about this twenty five thirty clients Just all on my own and but I was doing sessions and then when I opened up the business and I started doing eft so I know that you ended up moving But I assume before you had like quite a large clientele base were you able to use that to tap into today like for myself like you know been in business eight years now obviously over time you're going to grow but I'll still have people who are like my very first clients that'll be like you know yeah yeah while you become a marketer you become a manager managing employees managing systems manager let's talk about the second business plan that you wrote like I know you wrote the initial plan and then you had met with Tom Plummer but events it's interesting because one of the things that you didn't say I didn't hear you say at lease was about the work of the technician and I know in the you and I started bringing on other trainers and I started the systemized the training sessions and things like that and then so as I right yeah because as you start to run the business your time becomes more valuable because it you know you look at the bigger picture of things the whole business in have enough space to do all of that and we didn't do it all well we sucked at large group gene KPI's Things like that that give you a sense of how the business is doing and where you need to put your efforts the irony in you know as a technician that starts their own business they get into it because they love it right they love being a technician I love being a trainer but like you really become a marketer right like emmy you're not just a trainer in now a marketer like into like what you said I like I like what you said about you have to feed the big I don't even the biggest pivot that we may right off the bat was getting away from what we didn't do well in concentrating on what we did do well in trying to when you start a training business to one thing you do the least of is train train client you know if you're really growing yeah right exactly AH wanted to be a one stop shop and we were doing classes we're on class pass and we were doing small group and we just did pleased that you blew the plan up and then you created something the second time around the actually work for you so what is it that you created the second time around I don't want anybody else but Jonathan to come here and it's like you know it doesn't quite work like that anymore make you know like or if I do it's GonNa charge it for me we'll be open minded and flexible because things might come up you know I would say a good word for it be like half a dynamic plan but I love that you know like and that actually worked for you as opposed to the first one after you you know kind of blue that That I plan up while I was trying to do too many things so I had to had to whittle down when I first started up I had like these peleton bikes we still have the peleton bikes Anybody else in our area is small group personal training and that was that was purposeful on our part so now we are incorporating large group but and get really granular but at some point to you also asked why I liked what you said like that honesty with yourself where I oh we stopped doing it and we just focused on small group and growing that so that was the probably the first in the the most if there's one takeaway our listeners can take here is don't be afraid to make changes to your plan like yes half a plan it's awesome you know go forward but also grow that yeah no this as far as like some of the the conversations we had I feel like this one is the most powerful because you talking about you know we have the franchise all the big franchise clubs in town and so the large the class market in the large group market is just absolutely saturate there's so much more value and ability to even charge more really and you looked you looked at Moore's an expert in that area when you just stay in Afar and see something that is in the future and we're able to put it down on paper and so you get these business plans that are super super detailed with all these finite details it and to be quite honest they do better than we do but what they don't do is small personal training and what they what we do better some people might come into it and like you know what we're going to cater to every single person's gonNA walk the door we're going to do small group sessions and large group sessions and middle sized group sessions are large group we'd limit to ten people and it's just an add on it's not something that we feature it's an add on service to help client retention so but you know you said you say hey you know what we're not really great at the large group sessions let's let's bring it down to the small group and there's a lot of power in that so the business plan and you know sometimes you know especially as entrepreneurs that's kind of why we are entrepreneurs because we have the ability to like look out that's a really good takeaway like we had episode was stay in your lane yeah yeah and that's really goes back into that it's like I used to build their businesses single member organizations to over multi millions in revenue and Multi Unit operation he here Elena really focus on that niche part of Your Business Yeah absolutely and in we're where we are in Saint Louis it's it's an affluent area in a market is saturated in everybody you go some some of the classes are thirty forty people in there and there's no way they can keep an eye on you so that's another thing that we market with our large group is that will any small group training membership includes large group and then our large group we limit to ten people so that we can get a more intimate feel because am they come to the gym because they want to do stuff outside of the gym better and they wanna feel better they wanNA look better in their clothes they want to hey we keep it small so we can keep an eye on you so you can keep doing what you do because mom reality most people don't come to a gym to do well in the gym seventy to eighty percent of our members take care take advantage of that and then they and then we have for the entire year we have an annual contract with them for the entire year and then when they signed we when it come in on trial we also give them all kinds of incentives to we really try to funnel them toward the annual you can stay ahead of those trends in your business I pay attention to what Tim Lion Says Tim Lyons for those of you guys feeling any pain that to them is is more important than what they're doing inside the gym so we also purposely market to that and went to annual contracts and Monta moth where we give them a twenty percent discount if we if they sign up for an annual contract so I'll take that hit I can look at what my costs were that goes into a training session and then we price it accordingly now we also what is hey I ran my five k. at a personal best you know or hey I was able to you know chase my grandson up the stairs at the park you know without and then later on what we did once I got my staff up and we got a little bit more professional businesslike about it we reverse engineer I went back contracts and then there's some ways that we've found the way we structure our membership that can also help increase are the which are like an enrollment fee so we get a little cash boost going into the holidays from that and I would say probably they sign up for the entire year so every December we do a push we say hey we're gonNA commit to you if you commit us for two thousand nineteen and well I would love to give you a complicated formula about how we came up with our prices but when I first started out I base it on my perception Z. customers nowadays like anyone who's in the middle of like people who basically just gloss over so how how was it that you were able to price yourself and find the right kind of like price niche for yourself because for life which is that the middle class gets eaten alive you almost have to be on the two extremes right on either on the really high end or on the low end we had five eight twelve and unlimited now just have a five eight in unlimited in so we factored into that so average amount of the per client because we all we want to get that up as well that's awesome so what do you do to pay attention to marketing trends if I can get a year commitment out of them and then the other thing that we do every January to our existing members we offer them on exclusive discount for it about you know what kind of weight lifting in the gym they don't care if they hit a PR on the squat rack or beyond the bench press what they care about just enormous Next Goma lot a couple of weekends ago in he's just like sitting next to a wall he's like he's like the people don't know how to price themselves in the marketplace and so you know it's funny because it's almost like when you're in business like just it's almost like in price for small group was was thirty five and then I factor that out four a monthly membership and I think at the beginning we had too many memberships we have no no Michael knows him but tim lines is a big duty makes me look small and he combs sore by the way we're marketing our large group sessions in our small group sessions is this is something that we talk about law on the on the on the show right is pricing and everything as far as like how what ads you can get approved in in the ad spin so the adspend went marble character Bernie Anyway he's a real he's a marketing genius he really knows the marketing saw I talked to him quite free way up so your cost for lea went way up the amount of lead you're getting went way down so facebook really just with the or lane and then just pay attention to what's moving the needle because I noticed just on my own that facebook really was putting a Chi- Bosch on it uh-huh they put in place they just really put the Kyw Bausch and then you're not able to target audiences on facebook the way that you use Ooh so that's when we started doing is in market to them and most of them picked us because we were in the neighborhood because of our expertise and because of our personalized training plants so that's what we went off your so we in the area where there are a lot of attorneys a lot of physicians a lot of professional people CEO CFO's and so More community based stuff because what we found is at most of our clients we surveyed our clients to find out who our client was you know who are dream client was ideal client our our ideal client so google ad words has done really well for us we pick a client in we like I said we are what we do is we will pick one client and we will cater launch for their office and then when we cater that launch hey have a healthy launch on us so it's a win win so I would say Google and internal referral program had lately have been our most when on Google ad words we put Gio fence around our facility and started crafting in wordsmith in our as to go after atlas strengthen personal training and buy in as a thank you we want to offer everybody in the Office of Free One Week B. I. P. members chip and try to get people in that way we go to local businesses drop off a basket with with offers in we I'm in town here and we basically redirected eighty percent of our marketing budget and the Google ads in twenty percent facebook ads but yeah Google ads is kind of really what's been working with us you'll referral program we use our existing clients hey if you know anybody who wants to come in bring him in for free workout if they sign up guess what you get fifty bucks off your membership next month in my industry was social media was really heavy I would say like most people like ninety percent probably even hundred percent social media but I think effective marketing tools so I one hundred percent agree on golden lads like so we we have switched largely to Google I mean I I think even that stuff some of that stuff is more effective than what you get or the same bang for your buck on social media actually in reduced our facebook budget dramatically because facebook is just not achieving the same results as before with the marketing for that his shifted and now I think the old style marketing even like mailers in door hangers and like handed out flyers and parking lots we did this more with customers that were like warm leads like people that did business with us a while ago and we just sent them like a magnet or lumpy mail yeah lumpy mail yeah yeah like and like sounds weird but does works a little weird yeah where you put like something like kind of like bulky like questions about it so for us it doesn't really seem to work that well for us but you know what we've used that just seems to continue to work that simple simple like that that they could use they could put on their fridge and it's like hey next time you need service give us a call so it's still relatable is still useful it obviously makes had in your business life so far three failures ahead see I'll start with the first yea I agree like we have like some crazy deals going on on facebook that we were running for like like really good deals and we barely got any hits maybe just active Oh yeah Naaman the one hundred percent so we typically end with three questions so the first one is what are three business failures that you've but you know it could work for other people's businesses that's just my take yeah yeah and I think facebook is still relevant but in a more content given him finding somebody new picking up the slack that you know he was picking up in in the same time trying to train somebody else so I just kind of let it go ah but they feel duped if that happens but if you do make relatable that's good I can see what you know not in line with our policies and so we had to go back and fix a bunch of that stuff so we want we'll just Google Google Google just make sure we're on there when people need something they look for it and it works really well for us so that's kind of marketing were you're educating position yourself as the expert as you were you put now knowledge but the direct ask campaigns
Episode 303: No Such Thing As Sucking's Column
"The low and welcome to another episode of no such thing as a fish. A weekly podcast coming. So you from offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber. I'm sitting here with Andrew. Hunter Murray Ski and James Harkin and once again we have gathered around around. The microphones are fourth favourite facts from the last seven days and in no particular order. Here we go starting fact number one. That's my fact. My fact is in one thousand nine hundred six. A windsurfer successfully broke into Alcatraz prison while it was hosting a movie premiere of the rock a film about people trying to break into Alcatraz Alcatraz. That's good so he broke broke into the prison. This guy called Jeff Bunch and he was a windsurfer who is on the outskirts event. He wanted to go so he wore sort of Tuxedo over his his wetsuit. And he got to the weird right. I guess he didn't plan them falling in so if you didn't fall in can you dry. I guess the idea right. That is sensible actually changed the wrong way. Doesn't he like. He has wet over his his Tuxedo doesn't he has to go to the changing out. Put it in the take off and there's actually doesn't make any sense with a wet suit doesn't stop you guessing assing wet underneath they. Actually when he reveals a Tuxedo. James Bond it should be drenched. Yeah I'm starting to wonder. If that scene in the movie you have just made up the around the premium he wanted against the premier and supposedly he did. He was arrested and taken off premises but he said he managed to get a cocktail tale with Sean connery so I I haven't seen the rock what I know but I gather is Michael. Bay's best film do you. Well I gather that in a crowded outfield of other films. Michael Bay's transformers three. I know it's a controversial opinion. I've Read I've read a thing saying is I think is supposed to be quite good. I love it. Yeah okay. It's an awesome movie and I think it's his favorite movie that he's made all I saw that got sixty six percent on rotten tomatoes which to me is definitely not worth the real Michael Bay slamming today. it's awesome. Okay so sean connery in it and it has apparently navy sales trying to break into the island in the film and they use real navy seals in the option. Didn't absolutely so it just doesn't know the movie which apparently no one does. The idea. Is that many many years ago. Someone successfully escaped from Alcatraz and he was put in prison when he was called on. The other side has been in solitary confinement for years and suddenly the Rock As is known is taken over by a bunch of military people who've gone rogue so they need to break back into it and they get this Guy Sean connery out of jail to help them back in when Nicholas Bliss Cage. That's the basic premise. ROKA's in it. The Rock is not in it on the island plays. The role of the Rock. Alcatraz is known as the Rock Rock. This party sounds really cool. Actually there were five hundred guests and they were told to dress. Informally is the card into an article I read in. SF Gate and Patricia. Sure our cat was there and she was wearing a chocolate brown. Three quarter length satin coat with matching pants by dodging Abana. An actress Silk Blouse that much to iridescent. It doesn't shadow. so that was her dressing informally and Sean Connery was wearing a Tan Parker Fishman sweater and no to pay not packed. SF gate past the dress down. Friday I never get lost on the red carpet. And who's to pay quite a tiny little funny facts about the actual making of the Rock. The script was done but they brought in some rightist sort of punch shop. The script. Add some jokes but also to do some rewrites and the two people they brought in with the guys who wrote porridge the British Sitcom Michael Bay Action. And yeah the creator of the likely lads came into this. Yeah that's a great career so the rock of Alcatraz. This is not the only time that a former criminal. I'm an old from Alcatraz has gone back to it as it happens fictionally and the film. But it's happened in real life as well. Pretty show that Whitey Bolger. He was a gangster. Mister he was involved in lots of murders not nice guy. He was there for four years when it was operating as a prison and then later on he went back as a tourist. You go from a you. Yeah you were there. They did all the tourist stuff so he dressed up in a striped uniform. That you the photo taken behind set of replica. Buzz was this because he was wasn't him in the age. I think it was in the late sixties early Seventies Essex. Isn't it sixty two okay okay. But he went back obviously later when it was a tourist attraction. I wonder what date you bring up that you were followed al.. Trust me on the right or else. If you were going out with someone who's been in Alcatraz that would be a really cool. A little thing to say about your boyfriend wouldn't it and they'd want to go there and experience it. That's a cool thing. Say My boyfriend's Alcatraz the most secure for the worst of worst. This criminals is not actually for the worst criminals. That is a bit of a misconception. That would be the first thing I said about my boyfriend. said that over White wasn't voted in nineteen mutters minimum security without didn't come up to the third day. Some of them. Just tax avoidance cal code the real mixed ability prison. The thing with the Albatross was really was a prison to cure you. People who were in other prisons who kept on trying to break out or misbehaving pulling pranks on the prison officers that kind of thing pulling price like trying to kill them. So that's why it's kind of amusing idea because basically boyfriend Whitey I. He's we say. Murderer is more or of a prankster. Really he was guilty of seventeen so is basically a prison of people who had experience of escaping from other prisons. So in fact I think the most famous gate probably was Frank Morris and John and Clarence Anglin and they inspired the film escape from Alcatraz The nineteen seventy nine film and they got out in one thousand nine hundred sixty two but they will come there because they escaped or attempted to escape other prisons and their I mean their escape is incredible isn't it. It's unbelievable unbelievable. So I just read the Count of Monte Cristo and I thought this is implausible everything. He does to get out but they chip away their cell walls with spoons for ages and then they would conceal their work with painted cardboard that they access somehow they did. They made an improvised drill from a vacuum cleaner. Which I mean how do you do that? And some of this is the noise of the vacuum cleaner working as a drill by having one of them play the accordion the whole time. They should have played the spoons. The spin was busy. He's letting them get all this stuff though the accordion I think is the big question complainer. Show what spoon fine. But they had a band they're like Al Capone was part of the band one of the famous prisoners on Banjo. Something like that. Yeah he started started the band. I think so. This was way before. This wasn't an in the thirty s when outcome. Yeah Yeah it's a very long running band. I guess it's very easy to Reunion. Told like sugarcubes is constantly rotates so more on this excape we didn't get to the end of it. They had mash as they made a mash heads of themselves and they made it. They didn't have actual pappy Russia. They had to to use toilet paper and soap and they made these sculpted these heads of themselves and then they covered them in real hair whereas they got from the prison barbershop Cullinan. Yeah so good. Did they stole over fifty raincoats again. Don't know where they're getting fifty ranker's raincoats and they made them into makeshift life jackets and they vulcanized them properly happily Using steam pipes in the prison. They what this out. From some kind of magazine they had smuggled in and they also think converted one of them into a life raft and apparently they converted a musical instrument according to the FBI into a tool to inflate the lifelock sees the accordion. Squeeze it up and down the one Hey you blowing up the whole point of musical instruments they all make a nice man. You passed through the F. B. I. Website and they said they officially closed the case on December thirty first nineteen seventy-nine about this escape but they have turned the responsibility over to the US marshals service who continue to investigate. So if you have any leads or information to share about this scape from a nineteen sixty two then please call deputy. US Marshal Michel Dyke on four one. Five four three six seven six seven seven and he. He thinks they made it. He made it to the mainland definitely. They made it away because some people think that the oft oft which was made of Raincoats and also made of cement the other ingredient off the coast and cement but he thinks they got away and the family. Emily of the Anglin brothers two of the escapees. They think that they attended their mother's funeral. Really Yeah because their mother died several years later but obviously the funeral the place is crawling with FBI BI agents. Are they think they might have attended addresses women and all three of them will be pardoned but only if they make it to the age of one hundred and there was a team of scientists who I did some computer. Simulations about the wraps would have made it to the mainland they launched fifty virtual rafts every half hour between eight PM and four. AM by looking at all the tides that would have happened at the time and from different locations on the island and they found that if they left at exactly midnight on the night they might have made it. They would have been sucked out the Golden Gate Bridge but at the moment they were close to the golden gate the tide would have reversed and that would have sent them to the north side of the bridge and they would have enable to get to the London. How and that's the only specific time every time they would have got swept out to sea? But this is that they weren't just they're controlling the rafts. Right yes they. They did actually put into the computer that they might be able to do. Some staring out some oils. They made a couple of all have a couple of hours but they both made up the on the escaping via the only method through the through the ocean was there's a theory that so Alcatraz it was meant to be actually quite a pleasant experience in terms of food in terms of their showers. They had hot showers. Prison prisons. Don't really have that lessons a strong word. We should clarify. Maybe it is is not. It wasn't such awful. Yeah you got your own cell. We actually was according to a bunch of people who've written about it since having come out saying that that's a really pleasant experience. It's not to say is it's like pleasant experience compared to being imprisoned. It's not it's not. It's an objectively. It's lawyers say the rock is a good movie compared to the other Michael Baby. Yes okay I know you know this was about say because of the ocean so the theory was that they were so used to hot water that when they go into the ocean that would immediately give them hypothermia or they wouldn't be used to it as opposed to cold. Shower is getting them used to a cold swim swimming pool so people swim so I think in our when was it was the year before the prison opened. Actually a seventeen in year old girl swam it in forty seven minutes and she's not even the youngest person who done it. Obviously you need to be very lucky with the currents and the tides because it's pretty treacherous but in two thousand and six seven year old old boy swam it also in forty seven minutes. Isn't that crazy. Wow Do you think the. Maybe it's like when you go to a waterpark. And is that right right. We just sit in a ring and it just takes you around in exactly forty seven minutes seems like there must be just occur that switches the ones today just pretty much as some of the people here in Alcatraz Puzzle Bang Hats. He was known as the owl because he had big is Ellsworth. Raymond Johnson was known as bumpy because he had a bump on the back of his head and Joseph bowers was known as Dutch because he was born in Austria. Sheila she lived they just they heard he was European. Hey is that a Arizona Outta here okay. Well in that case. I've got a quiz for you from the Economist who is today's sponsor and the question is what is the the name of the Prime Minister of Japan. I know this Shinzo Arba incorrect. According to the economist he is up a Shinzo. Oh and that is because from January this year Japan has changed. Its rules on writing people's names and so from now on instead of having like the Western way where you put the first name and then the family name. They're going to keep the Japanese way. which is that you put the family name? I really am. Everyone's going to do it. Hopefully all right so Shinzo. Abe's surname is Abi Abrasions. Innovations sorry Abby Shinzo. His first name is Shinzo. Well not anymore name is first. His name comes second. Look if you want to read more about this than you're going to have to get the economist. And what is the economist. It's Fabulous magazine is full of all kinds of information about the world. We live in today. It has economics obviously but it's also got politics science geography art books. They've got a cracking a bitter action. If you like finding out who's died and the interesting stuff they did they do. And it's very well written and they explain things almost as clearly as we explained that I wanted to get your free print copy of the economists and see what it's all about you can just text the word fish two seven eight seven. That's right to get your free print. Copy text the word fish. Two seven. Eight seven oh on with the podcast. Thank you Talkin James Okay. It is tied perfect number. Two and that is Andy. Factors that Horatio Nelson had a brother whose his name was suckling Nelson so not the most heroic of the Nelson Siblings know feels like he was given the short shrift in life. Wasn't he getting that name. Definitely it was never going to become the navy. Maybe it means he was the only one who is breastfed. Do we know if that was the reasons that was not the reason. Great here so this fact actually comes from friend of the podcast carry Lloyd. He sent it to me saying the only person who will find this interesting I'm great so it's because of the suckling side of the family. So his mother was called Catherine Suckling. Okay and She had a brother called Morris suckling and so there were Nelson was one of eleven children. Eight of whom survived it so a lot of siblings and I think they were running a bit. Short of names and suckling was one of the last brothers borne and he was not very impressive. I think so. Does it almost no references. Biographies of Nelson One of them just describes him as the feckless circling a struggling vicar. Yes job he was a draper in beccles who tried to be a draper but failed and then he became a vicar when his father. Who was vicar retired came the victim and then he died a few years later? And I don't think is very close to Horatio Nelson because Horatio wrote to his wife in seventeen ninety nine. I am not surprised at my brother's death three younger the myself. That was his response to the death of his brother Loyd road he'd quite young and actually his father so their father wrote to Kisii who was. Nelson's sister about suckling. He will no doubt Poss- awesome amongst a crowd of undistinguished preaches and gain some respect in the village from his quite disposition his liking to a little conviviality and his passion for Greyhound racing this has turned into a roast at the guy. Dead for ages brought back finally by a carrier. I'm taken down again. The name suckling came from the surname of the family which comes from the the what to suck and in ancient times it was a baptism. Uil Petra Nommik name of Indians so it's like how you have the same darling okay. Although polk called so John Suckling yeah so I was reading about John Suckling. And he's related directly so he's English poet he right ballot upon wedding he also is credited as having invented the card. Hard game cribbage. I studied such unsettling school did. Yeah he's a group called the cavalier poets who are a lot of sort of roistering lads who were all in favor of King Charles. I think you mentioned him before I think so. And the poem bottled water wedding contains one of the is an early masturbation joke. I don't matic do you have the joke I think is talking about. How beautiful the bride? Isn't it saying that if so so hot I I think it saying if the groom had had had slept with the groom slept with the bride is awesome as all the Sort of invited male friends had imagined themselves doing it it would have spoiled him surely. Wow Yeah must obation Jack. Because they're all imagining that they're they're they're sleeping with her. Of course. Sorry Yeah Yeah Nice. They probably the most eminent of the sex is thanks to the things that Nelson went to see in the first place because it was the Nelson's Uncle Morris suckling who when Nelson's mother Catherine died. Nelson was only I think eight or ten years. ooh Very young and Uncle Morris said. I'll take one of the children off your hands. And that happened to be horatio. And then Morris got command ship Nelson wrote to him saying. Take me to see please I want to go to say auto ventures so that's how we got into the navy. He could have been a draper car. A missed opportunity curtain. Call them the the thing about his mother that he remembers. His mother died when he was nine. So I'd like to skirt around that with eight and ten talk so I think his mother died when he was either right nine and he said he remembers how well clear member well but then the only concrete thing he said he remembered about was that she hated the French. It's the whole thing. Just an attempt to please his mom and he was not very very impressive in adulthood. I mean to to to crowds were abso- ratio. Now sorry yeah yeah so crowns. He was rubbish. She was You know he was very short suggestion on liquor at here. Crowd said a more miserable collection of bones and wizened frame. I have never yet come across out. I know yeah but he had the crap kicked out of him at war. This isn't a gully who was had a hunter. Then you go down outside the Kenny. You come if you go to top off but I don't think he didn't although he was very good so if you had a six pack and he also invented the phrase the Nelson touch to that mean. It's it's about having some kind of brilliant naval strategy and people even today yeah. Yeah it's a phrase is is not used much outside navy's I think we talked about Lady Hamilton no stuff so Nelson was married to funny and But then decided to leave her fat Emma Hamilton. Who was married to William Hamilton at the time and Nelson was sending love letters to 'em Hamilton Books William Hamilton new? The Secretary of State for foreign affairs so was opening all of his male. I'm reading whatever he was saying and sending it to the government so whenever he was sending letters like to Emma Hamilton. I kissed you certainly enjoyed the height of love I pour out my soul to you. Her husband was reading all that stuff and I guess getting over it and get into the important naval so he completely new. Yeah about the whole thing but of course they ended up living in some kind of wit Menasheh. Same House was it. They've seen pretty open by the end of everyone was kind of cool with it was. It's a very modern sort of full sermons. Fancy not have too much of an issue and unhappy marriage. Yeah yeah so I think it was probably relief for both of them when he bothered off with the lady kept the family surname. She could have been called funny. Suckling Oh that would have been the dream. Wouldn't it actually as well. Hamilton used to call. Funny Tom Tech's set top link. That was because it was really not very nice so she. He suffered from rheumatism in her legs and supposedly a bit like a bird and so Emma Hamilton. Being bit not very Nice Cathy. It's a bit Rebecca Vardi. Isn't that it really random thing about funniness but So before she married Nelson. She was guardian to these three children. who were the kids? Were plantation owner China who was wearing the caravan with his wife and Tim and his wife returned and finding bits looking out for these kids and funny brought the three kids in to say his his his daddy and he said enough of these children and she finally said quote. Don't you know them. You know didn't recognize his own kids that you'll children and so neither either. The couple had recognize their own children and it said that his wife was so surprised that she set a headdress on fire on the nearby candle a the story. It's like come home you don't you must know you have three children. Three Children's studied in front of there's a process of deduction would still hadn't figured it out. She was astonished issues. Set on fire deliberately as a protest against the looks of these over. In order to stagger back into a candle it's not clear it's written a letter by her husband and he didn't specify he says she address on fire. That's an amazing. Yeah it's like an episode of Miranda Hardy. Kiss me hardy mentioned before his his dying words because one of his officers the handy later became first Lord of the admiralty he did really well. Yeah but this is amazing. The Nelson's and the heart is astill in touch as a family. Yeah so that was a dinner party in one thousand nine hundred and there was a woman named Mary. Arthur she is descended from Nelson and her husband was talking twenty or the guest and I said Oh this is my wife. She's a descendant of Nelson and the person they were talking to Robin statement said that's funny undescended from holiday and they got back in touch that way. Hey not having known each other. They've been since then and they became really good friends and the time is right about the time said Mrs Arthur who lives in Woburn in Bedfordshire confirmed that the two descendants ascendants continue the family tradition of Kissing Nice. It sounds like it's all an excuse for them to have an affair. I said I'm just unapologetic. Kiss me holiday. And then they crossed the table and smogs and the husband can't say anything because they're just reenacting the historic seen well. I think that was already story. Okay it is time for fact number three and that is James Okay. My this week is in the eleventh century. Hundreds of people in the UK paid their rent in ails. Okay so this is a website run by a guy called John Wyatt's Greenlee. He's a historian whose work according to his sites examined the cultural history of ills in England from the tenth through the seventeenth centuries injuries focusing on the heels role in economic change the growth of national English identity on the eve Aleutian of spatial practice in early modern London and that was that was a lot longer than I thought but he has a bit where he looks rents that were paid and ills and this was the thing that happened probably before the tenth century. But that's where we have the records from for Instance Doomsday Book Records Payments. Like the village of Hampsten who showed L. Hugh seventy five thousand miles per year pretty much dead or alive I think dead. Okay okay. It's hard collects I suppose live is it's easy to collect no is an income on. I'll tell you why if there were ten deals on the flaw and ten live eels in a bucket. Let's say you could pick them up quicker. It's easier to collect deals but it's harder to find them. I think how to find Daddy. Daddy is lying. Natural say is alive. Yeah Yeah I do get. That presumably the ill farmers right. There's no people going around different. You can't farm an ill ill though. This was basically catching them and then selling them market and then picking them up and using the most kind of currency and they weren't that because they come on sticks so you've got twenty five years on a stick so when you had to give seventy five thousand deals it would be. What three thousand six? Oh It was convict movement of Candy Floss or something you take a stick of ills. Yeah and liquid liquid. We'll rent collectors so keen gene on. Ill well it's up food. Yeah popular foods so Jon Wyatt Greenlee says that the reason that he looks into this is is actually if you look in the doomsday book those payments in pigs and fish in ail you might pay in different foods and drinks. Because if you don't have cash you know everyone has but people. These days are really particularly interested in ails. Because we don't really eels anymore. So when you look at a list and it says seventy five thousand ails you go to hell the seventy five thousand farm. Neil Neil for breakfast at the weekends. Did he really deal. We don't eat eagles anymore. I no you didn't I had conflicts but less common. I didn't have seventy five thousand deals but they used to be. Maybe it was just there was a lot more. Most I think fifty percents of the biomass of European freshwater. Though some parts of it was made of ill days. Wow that is the exact year around this time and East Anglia to back in the days before the fens were drained was was very rich. Ill territory you know you'd go boating around the waters and and this Guy John Wa Greenlee. He's brilliant yeah his met his twitter name is surprised ill historian and then the fee for him says surprised historian not surprised. Heels is a medieval list at Cornell University and he's and he's done a map he's an interactive map of the UK. Okay and you can look on it and you can click to see where your nearest local ill rent. Was I looked. It's about four miles from where I grew up Kingston. There was a rent of one hundred twenty five miles. I know it's really interesting. I- closest with Manchester Nice. I didn't I just was busy looking at his reply to that tweet. Because it was so successful he was like. Oh my God who who would've thought eels so he wasn't surprised deal historian he's done the kind of calculation of what else would get you today in today's money So he said that he worked because he's Cornell University that if you had to pay to go to Cornell University you would need between one hundred and six thousand six six hundred twelve and two hundred and thirteen thousand twenty four ills either of which represents a number of us the cornell versus office is ill prepared to handle an Amazon prime membership membership which is ninety nine dollars a year would cost only one hundred fifty to three hundred years. That's about six to twelve sticks of ills. I really didn't know that You cannot you roll so again in Sushi is on a very few days. You gotTA in Sushi don't you. You do always always cooks because if roy it's got toxic blood and it causes your causes your muscles to spasm including your heart and guts enough talks in that it can kill human being. Yeah if you took all the blood out you'll die. Yeah Wow I think he does have to so that if it were saying ills not in that much here these days in Japan. It's obviously massive. They have an annual consumption rate of one hundred thousand tonnes of deals that seventy percent the worldwide. You'll catch well we. Yeah but they've declined in their ill population so massively. Someone like January nine thousand nine percent. That's how high it is so they now. How have to import ill glassy? And so on from America in order to eat but also as a result because they're manufacturing great Sushi out there they get sent back to America. The Americans are sending their heels over to then. have it sent back to eat. So it's taken to plane rides by the time they've eaten. That's kind of Nice. In a way because heels in the migration used in my gracing thousands of kilometers they have this extraordinary migration. So it's maybe it's nice that post humorously they're still migrating thousands thousands of miles back and forth. Do you think that's a little bit of constellation. The I don't think so. I think the population decline is amazing. So there are temporary bans that have been put in place in the UK. And it's a lot to do with dredging of the ocean as well. This really just decimates the population but they hatch in the Sargasso talk. SAC which is West indies way. North is a port North Atlantic. Isn't it. It's a portion of the action but then they drift over on the Gulfstream. When they're really tiny and then they burrow into river mouths and series and things in the UK and across Europe and then they stay there for up to twelve years but some live in a pool for up to thirty or forty years living there and getting bigger and then they suddenly feel the call? They swim back to this hug. Aso See this born talk. Yeah we think we think no one's ever seen it happened no one's ever seen and AOL sport it's insane. So in the olden days people like plenty and all those other types the seventeen hundreds kind of thought they came from nowhere and I still think they do because no one saw this when we found young. Il's very young Il's born in this Agassi haven't we. And then we've got the old ills that look totally different by the way in Europe and America but that's it and they're constantly changing color so when they spawn they looked like these these tiny like glossy leaves and then they become transparent glass eels and then they turn into a noodle looking things they go brown than they go yellow then they go silver this kind of disco effect and silver. Is the one where you know that they're gonNA start heading back to the sea to die in the call we. We don't know that if you don't do that if you Pharma Neil which you can't do these days but if you like have a Neil AFAM You raise them there so they were born there they still have the instincts returns to the Saugus O.. C. which is kind of embedded in them somehow so do they they just jamming the heads into the edge of the pond in the direction of this. I might do that type of thing. Wow really clever in the way. They migrate as well so now. We have five scientists Have actually tagged them bizarrely. They haven't managed attack them all the way into the migration. Come up they just not looking close enough of this spun. I record if we go to the SAGA so see. Yeah yeah well I think you can see this born. Just never seen the EELS SPORNET right one. Danish scientist who spent fifteen years of his career looking in the mid Atlantic for seven millimeter. Who Long Lovey? I mean never did. Yeah but I mean it does feel like he's not done a very good surely look for the bigger ones on their way back to August so see you would look at the spawn and then you keep looking at it at earlier and earlier times and then look at the big ones later at later times eventually the two things must come together because it must be harder than it looks otherwise. I'm sure these people would have anyway so I was just saying that that we tied them now so they've tied them for about the first fifteen hundred Columba's of their journey and what they found out is if you take a European ill when it's going back to spawn it doesn't make a beeline for the saga so see it doesn't do the shortest route. Aheads bit further south so it has towards like where the Zora's would be and that's because they're smart enough to know that there are ocean currents they then pick up like a conveyor belt and that we'll get them much faster than the old boy of Alcatraz 'cause I is amazing and they can just sit in it not doing anything so we've been looking as to how they spawned for centuries right but it was only in the early nineteen hundreds that was founded. It was this guy that you're talking looking. Matt was a Danish Biologist Johann Schmidt and he he was the one who pinpointed the Sargasso is the spot that they were doing it and he always looking into him He was married to a lady called cool and he studied under mangled looming. So cool was it was a dose of the Old Carlsberg Brewery and Copenhagen the chief director there and actually the whole thing. The reason we know about this morning is Kallsberg itself sponsored him to go and look for it so. It's thanks to Carlsberg beer that we know about this. was he the fifteen years. Yeah that was probably the best scientific study in the and this other guy. Warming is a Danish botanist. Who is a founder of the scientific discipline of ecology? He's the relationship of men and earth earth is called warming which is quite nice. Really good scientific folks to thank you. There is one reported case of a male dolphin masturbating by running an electric. He'll around his penis. How do we know masturbating? He was thinking about jobs circling. They did it out the end. I this is too personal a question. Sorry but if the Dolphin is going to tell us it's been masturbating. Neil then we want the details. I don't know you're quite right. The ill might have been trying to fixate. The penis indeed have sex with thinking. It's another real. I don't don't know what happened. Speaking of members with ills wrapped around them. Her link. 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We went to Disney and watch the films you remember because we were sponsored by Milan. That's right you guys were quite late getting because you needed to to remember you had to sign in or something. Yeah Yeah and so I went in with outside in and they showed casino so the death scene of the topic and then the rest is a flashback. Cool so if you did miss that what I see the film all the film. You should know that this this is the film around and Moana's of demi-god sidekick in the film is Maui who was a real God rampant and God in demi-god the Go-to in Pacific theology and he exists all over the Pacific islands so like in Hawaii is very important but Tahiti Samoa. The the Maori people they will have slightly different versions of him but there is a version. He's a real trickster character. He's a Prankster Whitey. Bolger or capone. Frank Nash Murderer who is he. He doesn't he's just a little prankster and one of the away he dies is when he's trying to become immortal. And the way decides to do this is to enter the goddess of death who scored Nui Teppo to get in through join up pluck out her heart on the way up to her mouth and emerged from her mouth and apparently this will reverse the birth process and make them immortal identical scientifically accurate. Anyway he does this bird friends with him so some bird to his mates and he says please don't laugh while a do this because she'll wake up and they couldn't hold because it's quite someone climb through China. She woke up and she stop little teeth in China. which real have that is quite a story? She's really she's described as the goddess of death. Yes or metality Tallahassee. I think she's very vivid description in the midst she's got is of greenstone have kelp and the mouth of Barracuda as well as of course having a toothy China a bit like Maura ill. They've got really big teeth haven't they gotta they do. They've got like a forensic jar like alien. Oh Yeah and they got they got backwards teeth so that if you accidentally swim the mouth he cuts them out. Gosh I'm on my what big teeth you have. An and what a surprise now mowing well actually we. He said that he didn't his pranks. Didn't kill anyone. I think that is true. Perhaps I don't know of any but did but he did. Once go fishing with a guy called era ru who was the husband suspended his sister and he was so annoyed with Arou- Oru that he turned him into a dog. ooh that was the first ever Doug. And that's what dogs come from because 'cause Maui actually if you know the song from WanNa you're welcome which is big song. It's all about the things which he did. So He created the moon and the sun and the wind and all these different different things and he pulls the islands up from the ocean floor didn't he he had he had a magic jawbone which according to some of the most is the Jawbone of his grandmother bird is also so quite big so she must have been huge and he did things useful things with it so he used as a Fishhook to pull up islands from the ocean floor and actually the names of North Island and South Island in New Zealand. Now are Tika our Maui. Anti Watteau Maui. Which means fish of Mary and Canoe of Maui because that's uh-huh when he caught fish and turned into an island and he turned his canoe into another island was turning stuff in Thailand? Great raise the sky. That was the thing he did. This sky was pressed down close to the earth so if the height of a tall tree it was brought down to their so it's obviously very restrictive for everybody and He just lifted it up. Upton Brian to a very high peak and chuck it up. There would be so annoying. This guy was not loaded so it wouldn't you head on it but you have to fly a drone. Yeah so another character in Moana is to feces got comes up at the end. She's actually based on Pella. Who is a genuine goddess in Hawaiian mythology? And she's not the most important. God escalated volcanoes stuff like that was like the big volcano volcano in Hawaii is called Mount Pelee appeal has that's kind of her embodiment human too I pay tribute to it when you go there. Ah Did you not know this for so long you meant to give it some brandy. I think it is you go for Gin. Pull Jin she loves Jin Yeah. There was a hog. God Cooled Camera. Who are from shoreham pronouncing wrong But he married Pele. The fire got us and his habits were so bad because he was hulk that She couldn't cope that huge arguments. And eventually she won all the arguments and he was forced to surrender and turned himself into a fish. Oh and that is a Hawaiian fish. And it's the one with the best name. I think we might have talked about it before. Mac GonNa have a crocodile. It's called the Moon Nuku Nuku and it makes his grunting. Noise switch apparently sounds a bit like a hog which is because it used to be a hog. When he's that was always a relationship that was gonna fail between the volcano? A hug the one way trip to a barbecue. Come we talk about having teeth in Vaginas because this is an extremely greenlee common myth around the world around the whole world in fact there are twenty two variants of this is called Vagina Dantata meth in North American cultures alone. Own the Wichita one has toothed vagina wandering round at night castrating men in the sleep. The Monday Roucou meth has a woman with a vagina. Like a crocodile's mouth in Orissa in India the meth has the tooth vagina. Not only castrating men but also eating the rice crop causing famine. Oh basically misogynistic way of saying women are evil and you should stay away from them right. I don't know I thought it was like empowering women you know. We get to men's penises China's if we want to be devoted to the basaltic greedy vagina. Yeah most of the time. Time is quite misogynistic very occasionally you get one where. The woman is empowered in the story so in the myths which is in northern Siberia. You have a woman who who is married to an old man and to avoid having sex with him she puts a fish head in her vagina so the teeth will cut him every time he tries to have sex and she takes the piss off him doesn't she he he has. Actually that was the first time it was like. Oh my gosh their teeth in there and then she calmly didn't know Regina Up Teeth Fisher that she's put in just efficient and she must take it out. I seems just leave it. They want got away with it once she doesn't have to. He doesn't have to navigate her whole life on Mona the movie itself so if that seeing the vagina crushing was in the movie. Obviously it would have been an X.. Rated movie right in Italy. They actually had to change the name of Moana altogether. Because in Italy there was a very famous porn star Cold Moana Moana Pozzi and parents will worry and they were worried in the studio that people googling to see cinema times and so would come across Moana Pozzi instead of the actual cinema so it was renamed to be Oshii Donna. So in Italy it was released as the X.. Rated references a very disgusting club in Kingston which couldn't be called Buddha's young in the UK. Change it back. They will re. They did really good research Moana into Pacific Islanders. Coach in history and stuff didn't they and they Consulted lots of experts so I think the creators of the film travel to Polynesia Multiple Times and they put together a committee of Linguists and anthropologists and historians from all over the Pacific islands who I think ended up being cooled. There's something committee the Pacific Committee or something recalled the Oceanic Trust. And and they did things like for instance Maui for the first year of when they were coming up with. The film was booed. So if you remember the film he's got all this curling being early head of hair and that's because he was booed and they went to the Pacific island anthropologists who said that's incredibly offensive. Because the hair is where your man is your power is and he's very powerful. You gotta give them more hair so they gave him more and more hair until they stop. It was meant to be quite skinny character as well. Maui in the mythology is quite large. We know why that was. Why don't they go against that? So that was controversial but that was actually at the advice of the Oceanic Trust Committee. So He's a very strong character and people said this is playing lying into stereotypes of obesity. But they the committee said look. He's is incredibly powerful imposing figure and also it's much funnier if you've got this huge thing and he's not fat in a film I would say he is big boned strong mighty exactly mighty. Mary do you know one of the main imports of the Pacific islands. Now General Polynesia fact imports. Yeah spam all so close. Oh I think that it was maybe another one optima okay. Another foods stuff not heels foodstuffs Americans in the USA. Eat a lot of and it's a bit of it that it's Americans never eat but gets moly happy meal the toy and a happy controversial because the little plastic in the law. It's not a great story. Connect the other day and I didn't get anything right and I know you guys kicked assets pulled out another stunner that so it's Turkey tails but in America each year. Two hundred and fifty fifty million Turkeys Eastern and Turkey's all have this tale. which is this weird oily gland? The very and it's basically the keeps the feathers in detail and it's it's got this fatty chunk of meat at it and it's never used and also gets called. Parsons knows a great name for it but it is not sent to shop navigate never gets eaten in the USA so they all get sent to the Pacific islands and they started base. America started basically dumping these there and now it's a massive part of the Diet in two thousand and seven. The average Samoan was eating forty four pounds of Turkey tails a year which is three times as much as the average American east Turkey in total. I think they think is a real problem because they do have an obesity problem in some of the islands. And it's because of so much thoughts in these Turkey tails they they really wants to stop importing quite so much a the modern flaps to today the thing that New Zealand exports is very fatty bit of the sheep. Basically teeth on them anymore. Do they the. Oh so another Disney film. which wasn't exactly true to life was pocahontas and impose hunters the male protagonist is John Smith? I understand having seen it. But all these things I don't think are in the film. So he was a pirates turned mercenary who fought the Turks and the Balkans he was captured and slow sold into slavery was a slave you for ages and ages before he beat his boss to death in a wheatfield and escape to Russia. Wow and then because he was so famous as having escaped as a slave he was invited to help. Establish the colony in America where he was arrested for mutiny on his way and then eventually did get to America and then he didn't meet PLO contests I believe but then had it's a return to England to recover from gunpowder incidents which blew his genitals ooh He's got no genitals throughout the whole movie. No this is not in the movie all this underneath the clouds again I stress. This is not in the movie surely holy it must be pre gentle. Yeah this is when he sent back to England after all the stuff was handled. Didn't make it with Pocahontas. When he had genitals genitals is not like he would have stood a chance when he didn't I guess not these are according to his memoirs he said all this and historians do assume that they were a total fiction? Oh Oh however one historian. Philip Barbara has said that nothing that he's written has yet been found to be ally so it could be true. It could be nurtured okay. The story of Cinderella is a bit more terrifying than the one that we know from Disney. I kind of loved his knick's they took all the GRIMM's fairytales the grotesque Roy test and made them really child friendly but in the original Cinderella the evil stepsisters when they want to fit into the shoes just resort to cutting off bits of their feet so I think one of them cuts off our own toes suffer and he'll and they call apparently because of the blood dripping from the shoes. Although I would've thought it'd be quite obvious. CBS If you put your foot into a shoe that you got no toes or no. He'll send someone to turn up wearing the shoe. I guess you might naught. It depends on where the the prince is trying to witness. The whole shoe fit because I think what happens is that the prince walks around with a shoe. Yeah and he tries to put it directly onto people's feet doesn't he kneels down and they give them his feet or they give them the face. I see what you're saying. Because if they went into a dressing room and then quickly chopped off the toes. You're on your sisters took the shoe and said I'm sure we'll be able to fit. I just give me one second and they pop into the the amount of the socks to go with. Yeah the grim version. They'll say had they stopped the sisters coming to the wedding by having pigeons. Pack out there is a lot more. How come to the wedding? The battle is lost at that point. There's still screaming and from the toe thing. They've ruined the by invitation to invite them to the evening it but we all know that with a wedding because you can only have a certain number of guests at one stage up to draw the line and everyone else gets the right back down okay. That's it that's all of our facts. Thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to get in contact with any of us about the things that we've said over the course of this podcast. We can be found on our twitter accounts. I'm on Ashrawi. Land Andy at under hundred James James Harkin enters inskeep you can email amount pocos dot co dot com or you can go to our group account which is no such thing or our website no such thing as a fish dot com. We have everything up there from all of our previous episodes links links to buying our books and also behind the scenes documentary behind the Gills. Check that out okay. We'll be back again next week with another episode. We'll see then goodbye. Do you know how you feed themselves. On the three thousand Mile Journey back to say they keep themselves going by consuming their own bones spine loses as a sixty five percent of its volume and the skull loses fifty percent of its volume and they break down these bone cells called off. GSI is and they used them to get the minerals and the nutrients veterans. They need because they do. Yeah they lose all that teeth and the stomach and the digestive system so I suppose they just have to develop. That would be like if we were born as adults and ended. I did as a baby. Baby is an adult without votes. And you've got a wild Nevada and adults so it's not like that that make vote today. Which adds that is?
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But I guess in Barstool world that feels like it's the beginning of the world like it feels like it's b. c. like seven hundred BC in like the fucking sun isn't coming up for another six hour. Yeah it feels too early to be talking golf. That's pretty much. That's that's what I that in our group text I said, we're GONNA talk off at eight am tomorrow. When he goes when you get to the golf course even early tee time like that I like our you just not really talking to the guy you're driving with it's like Berry silent car ride maybe like a coffee in hand you get out of the car and then you can do like a little stretch and you can fuck in here like the birds chirping ten miles away or like what are we doing out here right now? What's the point that makes the conversation start because you're both not miserable not like. Energy in the cart. So like what is that point? Because you just have that coffee or just? Kinda like looking ahead you grab grab that like side rail and you're just going and you're just waiting for it change. It's probably the guys in the shop that break the ice you walk in and like like the first thing they say to you is the first words you and your partner who drove to the golf course heard all morning. True you all fellows like morning and. Get. Four, five holes in easily still be in that same funk until somebody makes a pot makes birdie somebody decides to crack open a drag I don't know what it is. There's times when you could get stuck in F- punk. We could have. Or what we what exactly is habit? So the point is that were recording early as you've heard, we have a whole crew. We got Trent we got Frankie Lurch Myself Jake anybody back there. There they go. SILENT THEY DISAPPEAR JAKE has a horrific voiced by one of the worst I've ever heard and I kept talking to him about how bad it was and he kept explaining why it was bad in that morning voice. So that was a real real tough couple moments there. Would you want him to do you're asking request just goes out? So when you are. Just not answer or. Text I said Jake you got a horrible morning but we can't I said I can't take that thing and he's like well yeah. This is why I have a bad morning voice and as he kept going the morning voice wirtz. Fair. So you just want him to not say anything there you've live animals on the walls behind you. Can't really get into all that but anyways. I missed Monday show Tuesday show. Because of some unforeseen things, my girlfriend side. So I'm down at her family's place and her her stepdad analyzed is a master hunter of the temp degrees and literally goes to like like he goes to. He's hunted on every continent and he's hunted I don't know how much I. What about article? That's the only one so I we clear that last night, he can't say every. Everyone thinks Antarctica I. so that's what he said. Because he's got that question ton clearly was. I've hunted on every. Continent because once you say that like all the other continents are like, yeah. Okay. I don't know if like. He. For the people at home he's got the type of animals on the wall where you think he's GonNa move to humans next. Time. He's about he's about. Something else, Jake. Cut this or not it's all legal or not but he I mean there's one spot left in the whole house where he could put another head. Eight years. That's like kind of the running joke like somebody's boyfriend comes over. You. Screw up like. Walk like. You don't want my face. The rest of your day. So my head's never going back. Man, okay we're loopy. It's a weird morning but we're all here doing a shower and talk a little golf got a still reeling from major championship column workout. You got a lot to get to funds from the galleries. Good submissions people are starting to pick it up. 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Trent last night on the stream that I've added a Lake vary harding park esque the lake doesn't come into effect very much I. think you'd have to really skull fucking over the eleventh or Twelfth Green to have come into effect but I think it adds nice meadow one. It yeah. Just as Nice visual of like walking on the back nine. You know you're in a special place because you see the water behind the pine trees and it kind of comes and moves maneuvers its way around the outskirts because I tried to figure out what's behind Knives Creek is it a? Is it a community and then I was thinking? Put houses there and backyards and pools and tennis courts, and that was two. So I put a fucking huge lake there because it saves time and it looks better. It's all run into the pond or lake. No. So what I figured out was like I I don't know how water on golf courses work and I, don't know how they get them on each hole. I assume some of the places it's just naturally their other places. It's manmade with fucking tarp underneath the water and they just put it there. My understanding is that Nice Creek is is a water level golf course, and there are certain spots in which the water is present and grasses present, right? So like it pops in and out but you can kind of tell like it's all one big water like body of water. Then there's grass in between almost like a Florida course you know what I mean. I've added water on almost every single hall. Did you pick a location for Ninth Street? Is there like a fake location where you're like Nice? Creek is in. Like like. An upstate New York. Yeah. That's Kinda the way I would picture. Rochester. Foliage and things like so he has to be answered Rochester Rochester seems like the right answer. In Auburn New York somewhere. I. I am Yeah. Surprised you didn't add if you went with the lake from harding park that you didn't get enticed to add Cyprus trees because those puppies were hopping all week. Well, here's the thing you can't you can't. So they have layouts and themes I went with like an autumn theme. You can't get Cyprus trees because that's a New York eastern coast style like Boston New, York style golf course, and they don't allow you to put Cypress trees. They only let you put like pine trees and all that stuff open make the trees though is big as you want like you can make. Out just. Shuji tour nineteen didn't have the Goksel Toy nineteen didn't have cypress trees I heard from a Little Birdie Aka. We got the game early even though we weren't able to stream it last night that Cyprus trees have been added to the next to the two K. Twenty one for the building. So I will on Bader's Bay be making a California Monterey Peninsula type golf course with Cyprus trees all I'm talking you the most Cyprus you've ever seen. while. Those things they just changed for me. They changed everything I thought about trees and especially those ones that were at harding partnering. We've played California call four but those side streets harding Mark Hall bulldog and with the Lake in the drone footage, and all of that together was majestic couldn't game of thrones was thrown out a lot game thrones set people were talking about but I, that was like such a mythical fields, the golf course without the water even being in play. Frankly, your little pond, which by the way you're doing that because you don't have to design any. Rides spurred by laziness. But I like the look I think it's a good look I. think that That course that we played Colorado had like a lake like reservoirs with like mountains way in the background mountains lake aren't even play the whole time yet it's had a sets the entire scene for the entire off worse. So you can get away with that without even being play, which it sounds like you're doing with nights, creek correct and for my next golf course I've already decided that I'm going to introduce the world which I'm shirts already there. Island teebox is island Greens. So like I think the walkout to a tee box in the middle of the ocean would be sick because you're you're not mentally destroyed yet. You haven't hit the shot yet. So like you still get that same feeling of like walking into the ocean on a bridge, but you're going onto the tee box I feel like anticipation of the shot is high morale is up as opposed to. Like you get up there. You just walked off a green you like on a regular T. and you're looking at this beautiful hall in into in the motion like or like a seven at pebble beach or something like that, and then you can skull and into the water. But like I feel like that whole moment of walking into the ocean or like a really cool tee box should be prior to the shot Morale up. You'RE GONNA wasting the view though like you're wasting. Right around you man. Do the green on that same island just have the tee box small section off to the side a lot of courses do that even poppy is my golf course. Always change it to poppies islands. New One. Okay. I love. I love the golf course architect beef that disinterest just below the surface. CAST whenever. Golf. Course brought up. is going to have a way better rating than what butters bay whatever you got boy. Well, that's just that's stuff to hear I hope to case not listening because that's what we need. We need we need we need Nice Creek to be really good golf course your it is golf course. Did you delete that par-three? I made the nicest part three of all time with that. So you do but you deleted whatever we saw oh yeah. Oh thank. God. You guys wouldn't believe on Nice Nice Creek is since I since I left you guys last played at. The World Premiere of nights. Do We know we have to K- One PJ tour to k twenty one is in our possession. We played it last night I've been playing played a lot as I. started my tour I started my career we to on the school. Jumped right to the PGA tour. So you're such a fucking Iowan. It's crazy. What do you? What does that mean I grinded my? School like an shot. My way through fucking well, you're an idiot walking around. No I fuck into tour. The Patriots, how many rounds do plan yards because they give you the option one around to around three rounds or follow like I said, the tournament school. So I played in I qualify today at fucking TPC. Dear Ron wherever the fuck you call that place that you. Gotta And I played great to under and also so TJ tour to twenty one, which is coming out I. Think August. Twenty first. Or second round to double check that but it's an like a week or two it's They've added so much customization to the difficulty. So PGA so the golf club twenty nineteen, their predecessor is was not. customizable. It was just like beginner hard and impossible basically the three options. Now you can decipher what parts of the game you want to be easier and harder like do you want The downswing to be registered at like a crazy rate. So like if you say, you want that on easy, you'll hit the ball less like far but it will. It won't affect your slice in and draws much route whatever you can you can just you can change. So many things I've I've I've found my settings that I like and I've played a lot better I was. When I played I was plus seventeen through nine holes I said. And I was on. On hard on everything and I don't know how anyone can play the game on that I. Mean You have to legitimate I think you legitimately like To shoot even par as a Golfer on the real golf course you have to be like a pro I get even par in the in two twenty one on on expert you have to be a pro. I. Think That's how they may know you have to tweak the setting. So it's not impossible, and then the game is really really fun like I played. We had some trouble with the streaming last night where we couldn't stream two K.. So we played golf twenty nineteen but then as soon as we were off stream I started playing. To Twenty one again to the point where I had to like tell myself to go to bed because I knew he had this odd guess early but I had to be like art. You gotta go you gotTa. Stop playing this because you need to go to bed to be able to wake up it's just super, fun and. Ordinary streaming it sooner foot just everybody knows frank has been doing this entire podcast perfectly horizontal with his head leaning against his hand like rose in titanic anti or show. Aren't numbers are going to be hurt or children. Getting, older now for the people that are listening today is Frankie's birthday. When you're listening to this I am surprised I'm the first one to bring this up but you know. To this frank will be what twenty seven now do we have to say it? We all have to say. Well, it's digital. It's disingenuous because. I mean, it's not really his birthday still A. Way But when people are listening. To, hurt that week Oh Frankie. Said happy birthday it's a good birthday week. My my one of my good friends ruined a birthday surprise. I guess the people were thrown for me come on. Saturday while I'm back in the city tonight and and because you know I had a drove from Montauk New York City and we knocked much pizza views and did a couple of videos was a whole day. So I stayed in New York City tonight. During the office right now even though you're not anymore you're just. Even years for years. You're just you're just GONNA be phased out of being guy. Last. July. By, July, it'll be done. That was last year I was thirteen months ago. Nobody's counting lots can happen has happened in that year. So I can. I can see why it's been hard to make the switch but I like where I'm at right now get. But Anyway I'm sitting at dinner went to the Smith actually across old office. Good spot me and trump was talking about streamlines I real solid spot buck on a nice cardiogram. Good cocktail had pasta dish with fucking mussels and clams and it was unreal. And I'm sitting there and he's like hadn't seen him in is one of my roommates He's been in the city and stuff. So I was. So we're talking is ago Saturday should be fun and I was like, yeah, and he's I. Guess What Are you wearing your alphabet? As like Yeah Yeah Yeah I got that and I was like what the fuck is this guy talking about what? What in the world and then he kind of let it go. I. Think you saw I was like I didn't know what the fuck is homeland and then he doubled down he's like so is your family I come enough area is it just us like the like the boys like girls and stuff like what's going on here? I was like Brian be honest with the I agreed with ten seconds ago but I have no idea it's fucking talking about. What Luau Shit. So. Yeah. That was. So I got something going on Saturday I don't know we'll happy birthday frankie. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. While the Rangers could celebrate with you. It's not. It's not a hockey pockets. We're not going to talk about how you guys have now with the islanders in the range of now flip flopped on what is. The, meaning of success like is it is it being the lower barrel of the fucking NHL and and taking the crumbs of the draft or is it making the playoffs at a consistent rate in and and actually competing? If you get the bottom like the islanders never did he want to get right to the first pick because I didn't get to the bottom though you barely missed the playoffs and I get them nick because of covid bullshit this this is crazy at the range pick I'm not rattle them just met. See Rattle. Thank you though Dole Rangers my whole point about it is like you guys are excited about this first overall pick. So that one day you can get to where the islanders all right now. We're GONNA get to where. I get. When you mean like just haven't cleaned their first family cup but the honest haven't played their first game of the playoffs yet we just won the call. Win Stanley Cup you can't say right now on today's day the islanders are zero zero in the first round there about the play, The Washington capitals, you guys the Rangers got that first, pick your all having fucking parties and celebrating because one day the thought is maybe this guy will make your team better for you to make the playoffs and I'm already there. So don't come at me with this bullshit that the Rangers are in a better spot and all of you guys aren't even there yet you have so many things have to happen correctly for you get where the island is currently are. No not we're curl currently are no if they win another round or Dickens. Layoffs go well but not where they are now holy Shit, you just don't get it. We don't see eye to eye on this back your podcast on high. Anyone else. Give them saying by the way Blues Played Ten thirty, eastern tonight. It was a five overtime William last night the absolutely papa conquers. It's not it's not how Zahn lawyer so we have to. 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You've gotta be fucking kidding me because he just can't get. We've all been there. It's very relatable makes you understand this guy's not robots not a machine he's not just some boring cookie-cutter guy to watch on the PGA tour. He's got a little personalities upset he says what we say it's great. It's just it's just better better for golf overall I. Think we all agree with that will this guy is going through? He says, this is not the way the son in grand grandson PGA professionals should be acting on the course. May soon. Don't puke there grew up in my mouth, but then thank God it went back down. There are so many things wrong that I I don't know this guy's serious because I think it definitely is going to get clicks. It's going to get people like US riled up and tweet tweeted and respond and bring it up on the podcast pardon. Me didn't even want to bring it up because I don't want him to be happy that we'd brought it up but I think he's serious I. think Overall, this was an honest take. He had the lines in there about what are the kids GonNa thank you. Genuinely there wasn't ironic wasn't joke. It wasn't handling laughing about it he put in. If this junior event in the south Florida PG Thomas would be worn after the first defense and removed from the course suspended after the second guess what it's not a junior. Then it's the PGA door was an adult Yeah. I didn't I didn't read it I. Don't I don't have time for these things anymore we've seen them come and go I mean as long as you've been doing the podcast I'm sure we'll see it they will keep seeing it. We'll see it less Alaska's people aren't stupid and That he did it for cliques, but it is worthy to bring up just so we can make fun of him because this this stuff is so stupid that people still think this way and I you know I tweeted out that video of of Justice Thomas saying that and it got it got five thousand retweets in like forty thousand favorites like I don't want. To mine in the numbers that's just saying a mega tweet people talking love and like of the five thousand retweets like to like half of them were quote to it's of people being like this is super relatable I. I guarantee this guy's article probably got more clicks usually gets, but it probably got not that many and he's his own horn about it, but the fact of the matter is People like this and the showing the stuff is going to win out these articles that people like they clutch their pearls and they cry about the F. Word that stuff is GonNa die out long before people stop liking seeing professional athletes be humans. So guys like this Boltzmann or whatever he can go fuck himself. He's GonNa die out. He's a dinosaur. I. Don't know how old he is what he's probably eighty five years old I don't WanNa Steal Frankie's line or put him in a home and just like let us all do. That's what I was. GonNa. Say I was to say good news for Dulwich Daddy or whatever this, fuck But you know next to hug Z. Next Shackelford Mr Ole miss little old Mister Rogers has moved on to the other side. So there's a there's a there's a room that's opened up in the hall and that's where we need to put. Dutch. Daddy you GONNA few tabs of everybody in the home. Well, there's three people now in the home and they all are sharply perched out at. Can you put on one side of the fairways of one of the holes knives creek a legit Hong Old? Home. Not. Related. I mean how? Else. On the fourth hole. That's where all hugs e stays. Potter land there. So you can put it just miles away you complete across the lake and make it massive. Actually like a little piece of grass, it's almost like a mini island in the lake. And it's kind of like an oasis out there but there's no, there's no way of getting on or off that that islands I. Think if you put the fucking house right in the middle of those little cherry trees wherever I got out there that's a perfect place for them to go and die like they. They look out the lake there's a golf course over there, but there's no way I'm getting off it unless they swim. Alcatraz. Correct. That's where I'll be putting it. That's a good idea. Yeah. GotTa add that to the to the creek and you'll see it were. You know you'll be able to see it from one of the Greens do is hilarious a have to remember. Remember to put that in someone who's remind me of that. But. I had to had to mention this dolts guy just preposterous article and then one of his other lines was. But Thomas is a professional, these paid extreme wealth to act professionally not true. He's actually paid extreme well, because he win sculptor. So that's not a role model isn't have to be a role model note and said all time like I'm not here to be a role model I got here and got when I signed that contract. They signed me for my athletic ability and they signed me because I play on this team or golf's case like he got he he he just made it based off of his own. Of Athletic, abilities and attributes and stuff that got there, he has his his personality and what he is upbringing and his voice to the world was not taken into account at all. When he was put into that tournament at all all that what number he can shoot. Right and he's all guys struggling to win a major right then and there, and like he just missed the PUTT and he's frustrated by in like he just released that emotion. I just skimmed the article quickly and he also drops a remember watching LPGA LPGA or event twenty years ago with my daughter Alexandra when dottie pepper hidden off-line shop dating Donnie she scolded herself a day. Later my daughter got upset and something and yelled Dana Dotty the next time I saw pepper a profusely thanked her for her choice of words usually goes on to say he's In the world, I will say it's a polarizing topic at least on twitter because under that video of mine, a Goddamn brawl broke out for five to six hours about bad exactly the largest brought up about. Kids Watch it like they're like, well, if my kids watch and I don't want to hear that and then somebody would come over the top to the point where and I quote tweeted somebody told another guy seven year old go fuck and so. It was it was incredible. So it is something that people think about where? They're like, what of my child is watching this I. I'll never understand. The whole like. Hearing a swear word and that being the end of the world like if like if your parenting style in comes to an end when like somebody swears on TV that I just I don't know what to do I. Don't erect I, completely agree with that and if your kid is arching that and then the next day you guys out playing golf near Sun Hits a bad pot and says, are you fucking kidding me you probably as the adult parents laugh a little bit and then you talk to your child say actually that's a really bad were. Be Apparent in figure it out. But that doesn't make your child all the sudden ruin your child is not over as now he heard it's just crazy town that they think that that has to transform the entire way that human being justice Thomas Acts in the heat of the moment when you put zero thought into what you're saying because it's raw reaction, which is what we want, and some of the other kids will like how I, how hypocritical is it of these fuckers that? They demand and complained that players aren't accessible that they're robots that they don't get any personality. They don't get any candidness out of yet. Then they also complain when they get pure candidness out of them it just doesn't make any sense. You can't have both ways. The way that we want it is the way the Justice Thomas does it, which is just natural. It's not doing anything fake it's just it's right. They like want that's impossible live on both sides of those coins to say. Like no, you can't curse but I want like a more honest open like Kinda like rapport with you know that doesn't work. You can't have it. You can't have this country club Golfer for like the old days that just sits in and it's like perfect persona would never curse and this and that it just doesn't work. Being. Being upset by like naughty words is so childish to me like People People here Justin Thomas say that and they're like, oh, my couldn't. Like I can't imagine living like that and I think the major point that we're getting to is these people they're going away. Just you know by nature is taking them away in a form of debt they're going away. So so I think we're GONNA win out. But the this thinking about people getting upset about words is very funny to. Guy that Christmas off his lawnmower though like an hour later like hello jt can't do this. But then when as long more won't start, he's like pizza shop. or He's just so trends right I'll imagining I got forty six year old man who has a pretty decent job works pretty hard makes. Okay. Money raising a little family but he's so immature that when he's watching the coverage in Houston covers. Right yet believe what he heard and he's he doesn't know now how is he going to for the next several months? Tell his children that the words that they heard are the some of the worst words in English, they're just who cares. It doesn't matter how can that affect your child's upbringing and how they're on the person Talking just doesn't. It just doesn't matter it doesn't matter. How live in the same earth that these people like how how I can have such different take on Like. You know what I mean like it's crazy to me that people actually think that way make. Ren- hurt to think that someone could actually genuinely here Justin. Thomas, are you fucking kidding me and like right a right a blog like that. Well. World where we've been on the Internet long enough where people know that these articles get clicked because they are polarizing we are talking about it on the podcast so whether or not it's one hundred percent genuine the way that he feels about what? Justin. Thomas said speak to but I do feel a bit cynical because I. we've seen these articles come and go and they do get a lot of clicks when they appear but then these people just go away until the next happened he writes about it again. So I'm not convinced that he's one hundred percent genuine with what he said. Yeah. I agree with you. You know I think he knows right so. Take take a little bit. You have to understand whatever. But point is if they're gonNA keep writing about him, we have to shut down because I do think and you could go there was a one replied from a just. Her fict-. Cookie cut out of a Karen just replied with. I'm so distraught in society looking at the replies to this tweet. And then somebody's response was like chill out have a cocktail. Karen. It's not. To disturb. Such a detachment such a difference discrepancy between. Normal. Take on the entire thing and some people who just gets you in the world. So Quickly I just questioned in the group where do you place the blame? If you were gonNA play Slam, you place it on jt I'm not saying that I am but if I was going to place blame, would you even place it on jt or would you place it on the golf coverage for potentially like bleeping it out if that's the way that they would have to cover like I would put it on the coverage I wouldn't even put it on jt as the guy that screwed up never. I don't think there was a school but. There's obviously Mike's by the Greens, right? So I guess it would fall on the coverage, but I don't think anyone. Needs issue any sort of apology? No, I'm not saying that but if I if I was gonna say like, where is maybe the miss. I would say it's in the coverage not JT's react Ryan resulted mealy ultimately, data point is that this this dolts character is several layers off in his blog, right? That's that's kind of what I'm getting at is like he's not he's not even close to where like the problem might lie and majors another area of where the MRS that I'm not even seen but I literally think player coverage than I view it and I literally think like if you want it, then the coverage can be that you know that governor. So to speak what allows it to get out. The like an Ephrata channel and I'm fine with. You never want to dissuade players from being themselves so so you don't want WanNa place any sort of quote unquote blame on them it's the coverage if I mean obviously there were Mike's there and they don't I mean that was a hot mic. It was as High I. Felt I felt like I could seal Justin Thomas is breath on my face when. You said it. It was I mean it was like he was right next to me which I love but you would have to put it on the coverage just for for having that on there. But I think it's it's a net gain for it's like he It's like this guy saw his neighbor's lawn pathetic and like blame the weatherman instead of looking. Actually, neighbor you should have got. Scott's had had Scott Lawn. You'd have a perfect. You'd have a beautiful greeting luscious. We're not even from the gallery or close to average but I had that little segue and I just had to deliver. We're GONNA get more to Scots and and we're GONNA talk about the differences in how beautiful it is. I we have to get to The US Amer. So salmon or quickly Usa Am Jack Nicklaus considers it a major championship. He anytime, you ask him to tally up his total majors. He always says he's at twenty because he counts to us amherst majors which find you're going to play that game. One eldrick taunt words has three of them so fine. We can play that game all day long Jack if you want to from the home what what? US ambassador phenomena. Last year was at high her stay did highness number two empires number four, Andy Ogle treat one the thing he actually end up missing the cut yesterday at Bandon. But it's abandoned So bannon is you know we've talked about an end full-time on this show I think I'm the only one that's been there a couple times nobody else has yet frankie out. More. Honestly bailed out on a family trip a couple years ago and has regretted it ever since. Pointed Frankie US ambassador coverage. I think for the next few days is like seven to nine pm on golf channel, and then over the weekend, it's a a little bit more a little bit more extensive. Bandon again is one of those places that it's. It's relatively new late nineties when they created band. Have expanded. It built five eighteen courses now with a six course, which is the par three course, but it's destination job it's not a championship. At least it's not considered that yet right like pioneers has eight hundred year history of hosting championships US opened PJ's Ryder cups us all kinds stuff bandon does not, and now they have and they are getting an hosting US Amer. So it's the best players in the world that have not turned professional yet playing bandon dunes playing bandon trails, the cliffs of Oregon, the views, the spectacular land. So if you're interested in that, you're still getting your, you want to get your fix after watching major championship golf all weekend. Checkout, Bandon 'cause the drone footage the the just of footage in general of this place these guys playing its links style golf. It's phenomenal. Go check out US amateur abandoned dunes get your fix this week. And then last thing I want to bring up before we get to from the galleries with don't know about yet. is US Open Media Day at winged foot is in about two weeks. It's I. Think August twenty fifth. Avenue that Yup. Latest information and it's all very understandable is We had plans to do form an scramble. We've done the mall challenge before we usually have. With our very good friends at the United States sociation. Close personal friends. Kind of the run of the mill, we can do content. Wise. Whatever we want. They love it because we get a lot of eyeballs. It gets people hyped up for the US Open Casual Sports. Fans that foul Barstool Sports You know they get driven in. They get reminded that was coming up well with covert nineteen global pandemic access is significantly limited. So the US Jay only has a few times for media. Day. Barschel's sports. Has a tee time, but we have one per one one spot. One human being can play Wing Foot on August twenty fifth, which is Media Day. So it begs the question do we do a qualifier? Do we do a plan? Do we do something where the winner of X. Competition? Claes winged foot. And we do you know what's that person shoot will come up with content ideas around that I thought rather than the do it offline we could try to figure out a good format online publicly the people can be aware of to see who gets the play winged foot golf club just a few weeks before the USO. I like that idea I. Like that qualifier type deal. I mean that's an opportunity for the boys another round we could play something along those lines to try to determine and get down to one one person gets to play, and then the others punishment can be i. mean I think we can have people there I don't I, mean it's probably a little limited, but we have to be able to film it. So I don't know what the. Exactly, what the format should be, but we gotta come up with some. The person who is like the worst the qualifying would have to caddy. Here's of it. I think it's really good. I wonder what it could be though. Could be low net. You know like that's a simple way to do it you could do. You could do. I thought you were going to say it begs the question of man scrambled as I count as one person on teaching. Could ask I doubt it because the whole reason for the rules are to keep less people right human beings physical makes i. was GonNa ask them if we could do what have we just did a pure for four personal shop. But if like right, Yup. I, don't I don't know how to do that. I doubt it, but we're like, yeah no that. was off four going to play. At that I don't know what to tell them. Because we have one spot. Faulk we can have we could literally have a driver guy which I think would be frankie. We'd have an iron guy, which would be me. Shipping rigs, putting trump, and then like you, you only bring those clubs. Wow that'd be pretty sweet at. We have one bag. So Franken, you just bring your driver's hybrid like whatever you need. Good. I'll just bring mid irons rigs you bring. Yards it in I'm hundred yards exactly just. Stroll up with my putter that'll be awesome. Yeah Lurch. You're a hundred yards to three hundred yards. Basically is like you in her two fifty or whatever the rank is is like fifty plus would you just be driver every dot? I've thought of that idea. That's really not a bad idea to see what we shoot. The again, and it'd be funny at Frankie Frankie cheese off these walks next to you box waiting over there the problem, the problem the problem is that it goes against exactly. What they're trying to stop is just on the golf course doesn't I don't think they care about what kind of swings we take. It's a great idea, but there's no way they're gonNA. They're gonNA well, no like I don't care where you swing or how you swing. You just can't physically be there or else or else you could have. The clubs on your in your bag have no effect on covert. No Four people on the tissue. Now we have seven. This doesn't. So this person play with a random person at the US Open for. PEOPLE RE random people. Wow think. So because like you said, you saw in I don't know how much they want, but they only have a limited number instead of having because usually they have. You know how it works the Shackelford get one of these spots like what come on who the hell else is getting out there. I really doubt Shackelford has one but if he does like you know which is that Hagen it's the annual like we should take it or we should play with that would be unreal if we played against the dinosaurs. Hogan's. Darkness. Sing about how much pressure would be on it if we ourselves comet well. qualified. and. Then we just had one person against the. It'd be a must. Win For us we are the comment and we're here to fucking wipe them all out. Yeah. We got extinction arm. Trans- walking with his putter. Extinction on. We got off the fear. Wow. Is that was that a push t? Yeah reference that will say if we can get it if we can get it not the scramble, but I think the drive wedge chip and Putt challenge to speak would be the best one boss. Really good. I. Don't I don't think anything that involves all of our people being have a word. Why resigned Why that's not allowed. Not Understanding. emailing them like Bay keeping back. No, we can have one be like, no, no I know but Wurley it's going to be one score. It's Such a good idea. Or if we could ship a bag out to them with just like just one set just had four play on it, it was them and it just had all denver clubs. showed up no, no this is I bag. We're just we all use. was happening he I could email them act I just don't get it. That all plays. Until eventually. They just don't WanNa deal with it that they just allow it. Of like the marketing coordinator getting so frustrated by those we know. Like I said no, and then I explained it and then you just. Like I don't know. That's great. Were all four of us are going to be there and Janet Reno but you can't because this and that and this and that. Cool Yeah we'll the ten ten. Ways where we could be one person like that's the problem right where they don't want more people like if we. Handcuff ourselves to each other where we couldn't get too far away from each other. It's got I just wished all four of US could be that. What if one person ran everybody ran off the whole and then the it was like you get tagged in and you run into the hall and then. There's only one of us is planning a whole lot of you just wait off to the side us look in there and then as soon as like it's time the pot I just run on. Yeah. Imagine that like the WWe tread comes running in from the. Behind the twelfth grade. But? Almost works where like Rigs, and Trent pretty much just walked from my green green. Green. Frankie walks from teebox tee box that t box, and then I just walked kind of meander through the middle of the fairway and we just have a cat who carries one bet at what hurt us because we like we need to be there to Chirp each other in. It. Listeners again, we're not going to get the bottom of right now clearly has all we've done his talk about Howard Allied of the. Listeners. You've got a good idea. I think, maybe we'll do a play in. Maybe we'll. We'll see we'll obviously see if we can get away with all four being there six of us being there with Jake Bugg but seems unlikely. So. We come up with ideas. We have one spot in two weeks to play wing for problem that playing wing foot is more. Like is going to do more for social like us playing it than anyone else in that media day not to sound like crazy. But like they're just gonNa like ever if you just write a blog about how nice winged foot is like Shirley like we wing for its open golf course like us playing it is like content, right? Like they're not the people play today aren't going to make content about them flying wing foot. They're just GONNA, play it, and then talk about it and they may not and talk about may just be a cool thing to get the. I point is like we should get a fucking desert. They should. They should block off tetons in front of and behind us. We should we should have the whole golf courses. Let's go out there on a Wednesday or something. Let me talk to the US I'll. I'll make the decisions out here so. We make the decisions. Yeah I. Don't I don't disagree with you Frank Thank you know my point they're just playing out there and have a good time. SHACKELFORD is out there take a walk. I Dunno geographers there I think. We don't know if that's the case when as we gotTA figure out so we also talked to wait say, can we come on a Monday when the course closed and? That might yet. So anyway. I. Thought It'd be interesting for the inner though that and see if we can do a play and there's something that could be fun. US Open is based on two hundred and qualifying. The US could be interesting. I don't know. We'll see next up wait hold on one before we go to that I got to got announced that press release just came out Zach Johnson honored with PJ Tours Payne Stewart Award presented by Southern Company just wanted to say congratulations Zach Johnson on winning the Payne Stewart. Award. Those that don't know is presented annually to professional golfer best exemplifies the values of character charity and sportsman who that is for my guys E. J. Shoutout to him. What an honor one award nobody deserves more than you pal and so if you guys want to say some thoughts on transit on what you WanNa do given that given that out before they saw in short like his. Little jets were out of his shirt nine Nova just happened right now. So they saw the tits, they saw the shorts and they still said, we're still going to give him this short award. It's an incredible accomplishment. So I don't want you guys to take it lightly. I want you guys to. I don't know maybe say a few words about Zach Johnson a few kind of like I mean it's a great award but. You should on charity right now. No but that's just it's like a retirement award kind of thing. Right notes not. It's like it's like the Walter Coward off. Got I know but nobody under like fifty gets. Hundred fifty. It's long. As a good point. Good Point. It's a male Irwin. He's langer stewardship. Tough. Tough spot because I I love you know. Kind of the history Pinehurst Stewart. So yeah, it's a great reward. Congratulated more has nothing to do with golf, which is can war for Zach Johnson, that's also. Zach Johnson by the way having a Master's. And A. Open at Saint Andrews just so preposterous it's so ridiculous that he would have those two or those two wins as probably the two. Best. Wins that you can have in the world of golf maybe I think a Saint Andrews Open is better than a US. Open at you know have will beach I really do think that. So yeah, that's crazy that he has because he's nothing years like. He doesn't the ball wherever easy. All right. Well, Y cast a spell on the rest of Allen feel he's got. He's got twelve wins. So that's nothing to. Sneeze at it's not like he won those two majors. Matt was it. He's one of the bunch and yet is having a win at Augusta Avenue win at the old course that is the ideal. Those are the ideal venues to win win major championships. So we don't have to get into dissecting exact ons career and how illustrious an amazing this I wanted you guys to know that he wanted to paint Stewart award because he's an awesome guy and you know his his trophy case just continues to fill up like if you can do, you could pick the top two golf photos to have of yourself. It's it's putting on a green jacket on the eighteenth green at Augusta national in its hosting, the Claret. At the eighteenth green right in the Middle Town at Those are the two greatest end Zach fucking Johnson is. Amazing I'm glad we agree rigs. We completely agree on that. It is amazing. It's amazing graduates. You said a little thing there a couple of seconds ago. That piqued my interest there tribes out I know what it is nothing to sneeze at. And I've heard that a lot I think days used sometimes and pizza reviews and I've always acted like I'm just going to accept the fact that that's what you're saying even though it means absolutely nothing and it sounds preposterous. So. You know in Frankie fat fashion which by the way. Tiger tracker over the during the the PJ championship when he set me up and teed up for that frank on twitter, it's one of the best moments I've had on that fuck website. What a layup that was I mean he's like Holy Shit on I gotta pull up that whole because someone's also response was. Tiger Tracker Tito. Frankie. Any fucking smoked it down the fairway with. On Er drops. I hit him with the well actually. saw that that was good touch. Yeah. So after tiger putt close but no cigar and then in to sees it. But what does that even mean anyway and I hit him with the well, actually we we talked about in the last show. Circuses, and and all that shit were geared towards adults in the the prize is of all these Games Carnival Games and stuff were actually cigars. If you came in second, you were close the guards anyway nothing to sneeze at. Actually came from the seventeenth century. This is pretty interesting. Sneezing was considered a symbol of status as people believed it cleared their head and stimulated their brain. So, soon, sneezing became sneezing at will became a way to show one's disapproval or lack of interest and boredom. So let's literally you would like say something I could sneeze. cleared. My brain of whatever dome. Shit, you just said it'd be like a lack of approval or or or a of boredom. So the first time at this was recorded as phrase was during a play by John till Allingham in fortunes frolic where he's talking about the sum of money says, why ask to this consent? I don't have value I don't value at a button, but then again, five thousand euro or whatever that fucking symbolist is a some not to be sneezed at. You shouldn't you shouldn't have any disapproval towards that sum of money was using that play for that was the first time it was ever used. That's pretty much along the lines of how I thought what it meant. You thought that sneezing was used as a symbol of status. No thoughts neat. Like you sneak I thought it was nothing to sneeze at nothing to show disapproval at when does anyone sneeze like how would you know that like sneezing disapproval and snow us right people have used it who can sneeze on command sneeze that win if you don't have pepper nearby like how do you? How do you? That's not something you can do can't he sees on well, you know what? I'm doing thousand dollars you could sneeze in the next ten seconds. One thousand dollars come on boys nothing. You can't do anything you're fucking. All three of you know. Take it. So like this fucking facts is that people were be able to sneeze when you said something I didn't agree with like the Rangers Stink and you would just sneeze in my face. You just Kinda I love to see. season. Feel so good. Seizing now, bureau dangerous what can't be sneezing now. Spreading pre pre pandemic sneezing was an underrated sensation. feels. He's in the shower where you don't have to like cover up or anything just let Brett and everything goes everywhere. There's only so many voices in this world that you can get a free sneezing. Fortunately, it used to be like the cartoon then you don't realize you're just all your germs are like Kinda just in the car whoever gets the CAR NEXUS Whatever you're right Frankie season in the shower that's the place because it's you can be yourself. It can be a full on offense and yeah, you don't. You don't. You just let it rent. Let me tell you this sneezing into a mask. Stinks. That I have not done yet breathing into mass as into a mask. It's not it's not a sneezing mask way worse than just breathing into a mass of breath. When I wear glasses I'm still we know we're five months into this thing. I'm still dealing with my glasses fogging up and I have yet to figure out how to make that stop. So you're just you're walking out just a mass sneezing in your own face and then your glasses are fogging up all the time I tried to when my glasses fog up, it just becomes a game of avoid blobs just. Avoid like a car is a Blob you want avoid people you don't want to get to nobody wants to get too close to each other. So I go into full panic mode, but I think I've become a stronger person because of it because I have skills I didn't realize I had where I can basically walk around New York City Blind and I can sort of get I can still find my way around. Do. You need a bain masks or something. I have yet nobody gives me good suggestions on how to make my glasses off what I wear masks. What? Have, you ever done the if you wear the buff, you can port a little bit below the nose. I know this because of a sunglasses but I mean, I guess that's you're really not doing the right thing but it probably better for you remember when I remember the first week of the pandemic when I was doing a video paralysis and we were delivering food to the fuck and hospitals and I had the mask beneath my nose. And people thought I was the reason why corona virus was never going to go away. It was like the worst thing in the world because I'd never worn a mask before I didn't know what the bucks that was six months ago I. appreciate it was like, no joke five months ago we're still now it's just a normal thing I remember people going crazy like my kids are watching this and you're not fucking wearing a mask correctly. I was like, well I mean. I don't know what the Fox going on. Now we just know what the fucks who on I wear masks everywhere I go now it's crazy. 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It's at just like world doornik or like I don't know it's just there's a lot of courses over there for sure and it's cool to see the different ones especially when you go to Ireland in different areas of that like that area different courses that area. But man, they're nothing better than when they go to saint. Andrews, there's nothing better than it. It's I mean the masters better. But like you said, when SAS Andrew has to be number two in everyone's mind. I am convinced me that I would prefer to win an open championship at. The old course than a masters I it's I, might They'll jim might win by knows like it's just. And I do think they should play it always of course, there's people across the bond who would likely disagree about your same Frankie because there's so many cool courses over there in that area. If I was a guy we just talked by was Johnson if I were to win an open championship that weren't at the old course of very, very, very small piece me in the back of my head would be like Damn I. Wish this is a golf course and I think a lot of guys feel that way they would never admit it here's here's the only. Reason, and if if you did if they did just change it and it was at the old course, you're there'd be no complaining I, wouldn't complain at all writer everybody. The reason is that they don't have another option. We can get away with it at the masters because the US Open goes to all the other cool courses in America in the British open situation they don't. Only have one courts that they show every year. So there was like a British open and then like. A Saint Andrews Masters then yeah. I think everybody being on that. It'd be tough for the you know the continent basically that started God than has dozens of amazing tracks to just only his showcase in that entire part of the world just one course every year they would probably rattle about that but. It's a no brainer, the old course and I'm with you I think winning the old course's probably coordinated else in the world. Yeah I mean they got shafted we have three of them have masters with the US Open winner the PGA they just have one. So I'm I'm on the side that they should keep kind of showcasing that side of the world because they only have one because they just got shafted and the deal four majors they have one of them. But it is just it's just more special than any other venue. I think it's hard to argue any other open championship being close to the old course. Nothing. Nothing nothing close the road the the hotel whole related over the road hole where he hit it over tell eighteen one that I it's just a whole the whole this welcome bridge. The whole thing is on such another level and it's different than Augusta because anybody can go play right anybody can just go stand in line and play you'll course so we don't walk the property with your dog which it just turns into a park which is laugh out loud funny in terms how different the cultures are of Augusta you get shot at if you're within five miles and I know who you are. Where you were born, etc. The old question is bring your dog out to the seventeenth or eighteenth fairway fairway, and just he can poop on a fairway and you can just pick it up with a bag. It's like how we are as people. And so you have to write in a kind of goes to you have to be able to showcase. All of or as much of a Scottish. And just basically you K golf as possible. British. Off as possible and just limiting its one course kind of scrutiny. But I wouldn't complain if they said, we're doing the course every senior I wouldn't go play part of he does think right like rory for example, you know rory's got. An open championship title. But if he's gotta go down as one of the greats, it's like you need to win at the old course you like I think at some point his like he still has more to accomplish he didn't use a shot. All of the box for a British no no, you still need to win one at the old course I, feel like and that's weird. That's a little different in. So that's always going to kind of way, and it is always a little bit disappointing I feel like now royal portrush last year was is cool. was could be coursey in that course everybody. Loved it was great for the town for Northern Ireland all that stuff but when that's A lowry win and it was huge for that too like if you if you're from that area, like if the open championship happens to go to a place, it's not the course. But that other places like where you're from that, it means a whole lot more a whole lot more. Yeah you know and all these other right the open road, which is kind of like the US Open the US jr now basically trying to copy that to a degree because it's such a good formula that it means lot to these different regions in Scotland, in England, and now even in Northern Ireland where, yeah. Every seven years or whatever it is the open championship comes here and it means a lot to that are end. The world gets exposed to these different regions across the UK and it's cool. So eliminating all that Brown but if it's just strictly selfish. American. Golf fans that want to tune in and see the coolest thing to see every year, it would be the open championship at Saint Andrews. Okay Next, one. Spencer. Says what do you all consider actually said what do y'all consider up to Jake Bass we'll do the all consider our long par three. My Buddy considers a hundred and eighty yards as long question mark. What do you consider a long party? If I said anything over two hundred yards, how long is the third posits Sampo? Long You honored to twenty twenty, five yards. I see that whole my nightmares whatever that whole artists hole in golf is the hardest hole in Gulf I would say it's for one of the hardest holes it like you can put on a golf course it's but I would I think that's a fair line I think like anything over one hundred and eighty five yards I would technically say as along par-three. Yeah those are long but I think I only really mentally complain or like I say something to myself when I see the number to two hundred or my gosh. Poke. It's one, eight, five I'm like. All right. I could still at least like. Maybe six iron they're like swing as hard like I. Like if I'm woody five in the fairway, I'm not really thinking about it from big to ten on teebox box I'm thinking about it. Yeah. I, think it aligns to me with what you consider a long. So I didn't long iron. So me it's probably like a six iron is kind of the edge the. The line between long in mid irons I still think six is probably more of a mid iron in than what you get to like five for those are all I think long ends. So you've got a five which means like five minute won't what five, one, nine or something Like so I'm starting to get into pretty long. That's of longest part three, but I do think. Assets if I hit a tee shot and I've got. You know one something under two, hundred thousand I don't consider it like a long approach generally. So then why would I consider three that's one, eighty, five along or three so it's tricky anything over Tuesday no-brainer I think the one ninety one, five range is a little close such an incredible feeling absolutely like roasting along iron on a long par three the other day I had like as playing Rockville and it was playing to sixteen into the screen. And took a four iron was that are back. So I felt really good over it and I was just playing really well, also I'm GonNa I. I'm like I'm GonNa hit this green and I hit this thing a fucking screws everyone in the group like great ball as why flying they're no better feeling than that. One hundred, ten, yard, hundred, and twenty are part three, and you can kind of just like muff one on there you have to hit a golf shot to get it onto the green from two fifteen You haven't legitimately roast the ball and watch it roll on the green and go towards a pinch like that is that's a good feeling. It feels like you're doing something, right? Yeah there's a difference between hitting A. Eight iron in your standing there going I'm SA- posted this onto the green s holing a four iron or five iron standing there being like, okay. If I hit this. Article in doing it because the ball flies a little lower than it kind of rises, and then when it lands because there's more into station do because it's in the air for longer. You're kind of looking like wait. Did I actually do it do it do it and then Atlantic off? Let's go. So it is more satisfying. But I do hate when every course like all the parts to five to thank everyone when they make up their distance and. It so frustrated and it's like every other whole driver wedge driver Wedge, and then you give me a two ten par-three. So come I think the hardest holes on the golf course. So that's why I kind of like think of creed each hole you don't have a chance of mistake on a golf course like I think it's a long three. If it's like net much longer than all my approach shots 'cause I think like if I'm hitting like driver and I usually have one forty, one fifty in the par threes or long much longer than that. Consistently I think it's like kind of a long par for the course. Of you by that logic, if you have average at one forty, five minutes to get to hold, it's one sixty or call calling that along party. Just long for the golf course when can I just think that like? I think it's like relative to the golf course in terms of its length like if you play like you. Like the way they do ski slopes a little bit. Did you know that Ski Slope Slob people think if you get a black diamond that's Their way harder and others, resorts or other mountains. The Knicks one that's because they're all relatives. Now. So relative to the mountain so you might have a fucking blew at You know veil that significantly harder than a blue Killington because it's all relative to mount. So you're on the Madrid foil on mosquito pregnant yes. Very knowledgeable. Yeah. That's. Interesting. Very. Interesting. We'll say you get to the one ninety range I think that's pretty well as me nuts when he show up to like you're in a match and you're getting strokes against someone and like you get to a par three, one, ninety, five over three bunkers it's an apostle shot on the course handicap it's like fifteen. We're like I never understand our possible meanwhile like the number two handicaps just like a Dogleg left four hundred, twenty art par-four forward like if you just said a good drives normal. Right or are they really? A par-five for example, that's like maybe five hundred yards. Seven hundred anything out there. You'll have like if you literally just advanced to balls, you'll have one hundred yards in at the worst and it's somehow it's like the number two handicap I don't I fundamentally don't understand. Apart three from one hundred yards per I don't get ahead. You can make it six, hundred, twenty yards. If you tell me, it's a three-shot whole I'm okay. With it I have to hit a drive out there at the head another long hybrid or whatever. But I'm just taking swings like I feel like. Skull on and it's still advances like you still in the whole even begin on him for you still have that Putt for par par fives are so much easier to play them part series. It's absolutely insane. They are but probably not for the like bogey I, don't know I. Don't know because. When you ask like an average thirteen handicap or something that they have to hit a driver and then they have to hit like. And then they have to hit an approach shot and then they have to hit a chip or a couple of bucks. It's that's asking a lot where they step up to a par three. It's like you just got to get lucky once. They're more like. Just the opportunity to get like to to get closer on that second shot than you would. On the par-three is like where it makes it easier for me you can like if it's like a five, hundred, ten, five, hundred, twenty, five, you can maybe get onto if you hit two really good shots and like or like if you just hit it into the rough like a aside from the green now, you're just shipping on and like you can find just get went up there and you have a two PUTT for par as opposed to like if the make a really good shot par-three three. ISO Halen I I mean I'm with you? I hate it when you get to a whole that is clearly significantly harder a lot of times two, hundred, fifty, yard par three rich shit everywhere and you're thinking like I couldn't make our in this one. Know One you have to give me thirty is probably not a are here and the number eight G. Hey cat. Excuse me. So that is frustrating We got. O. FROM DETROIT JOBS before we get into the next one, I apologize I've gotta deal with some some family stuff. So I've gotTa Hop I. Love You guys lots they safe and pleasure speaking with. You. To you while you're in bed frank, they can go just inappropriate but it's his. Pants on all dot it's horrible to see. Tommy Pants on allergy. Pop, top, Frankie. Don't you fucking talks to me. You liked it i. feel. Joe. What's job up you go into the office today true yes I am. Yeah Yeah. It's right Oh. Play Barstool. It's plugged that a little bit for a second. Play, Barstool is a APP that hank handsome Hank has created from his brain in which we you can actually join free to enter contests, Yup and and. It's not betting, but it's like it's like you're you're picking who you think is GonNa win these like regular like backyard gains, Jange Ping Pong Cornhole we played in the officer already we have this fucking awesome room, and now he's figured out a way to stream it with like big cat announcing dave announcing like crazy camera works like you can watch if you download play Barcelo, you can join these contests. You can pick who you think's GonNa win the Jianguo game for example WHO's GonNa. Be The last person to pick like how many how many blocks is it going to go up? WHO's it'd be the last person to pick it's GONNA fall down. Like who's GonNa be the winning team and if you get them all right, you win cash. It's really good idea. Is actually a phenomenal APP Ankle Watch it on that. You can watch the live stream. That's it's basically a place where all those lashings gonna live and it's like addicting it's addicting and start falling. Because, like you're saying it's just backyard games every body plays and then seeing the Barstool guys, girls, everyone play them all the time picking something you can get sucked into and you're going to enjoy it. So treasure playing Jenga today Oslo Jenga. It's me Andrea I mean people the results will be out by the time this podcast housing today I mean rea- of verse, billion PF T. so that'll be interesting. Is there any like preparation your head going into a Jenga game or? No? No we I, mean. So like you said, hanks had this idea for a while. So we've done test. Screenings. Tests Games where we played Jenga and I gotTa tell you. I'm pretty fucking good I'm really. Sausage. Fingers you get in there I'm delicate and like. I got this this Woodpecker Pack out a block and it comes out the other side and people marvel at it. So I don't do any preparation other than knowing I'm a good Jenga place. That's awesome. Before one other housekeeping item I wanted to say which we used in the beginning Dion Sanders is now are a CO worker. That's crazy. Just fucking batch crazy. You'll day. So sorry the. I'm in the car with Dave and we're driving he gets a call for America, turn on the music and they finish their call. Guys like renouncing Dion higher like tomorrow. An attorney and he looked at me and see Mary Action and I looked at him. I was like Donahue and he just smirk was like Dion Sanders and he started laughing with the Fox going on right now. Do you mean we have the? He's a he's hired I'm like he's GonNa like. Home in the office. Like what do you mean? Dionne Standards Barstool blood. PODCAST like he's Going to be flying a do like a NFL show with big cat him at his ranch in Dallas like. fucking crazy man we primetime. Do I. It is crazy and we've talked a lot on the show I woke up early for the show to record it and the first thing I saw I woke up this morning was the email that says we are hiring beyond sanders and I I went back to sleep for a couple of minutes and it felt like a dream I didn't think it was real will is just one of the more famous athletes I feel like. I've I've since knob been like as big of a fan but growing up I was a huge Dallas cowboys fan and fucking Dion Sanders Dude, he was the coolest nude in the League, right? Like it's like nine year old tread cannot believe that I get the call centers my coworker. Ham. Believe that. Is what the cost dudes in the world. Absolutely. Absolutely he is. He is as charismatic as it gets. He's as cool as it gets and you're right race. He still one of the coolest dude on the planet, and now he just works of Barstool Sports When you see on video and he's talking, that's a cool fucking dude that guy right there. Got It he's got a ton of respect in the league's at ton of he's in the NFL. Top One hundred is always walking around doing that shit and he's so so involved in the NFL and I think that his guests on his new podcast you're going to be insane. I think that's GonNa be a must-listen show. I. Think he's GonNa come out with fire merch like it's already primetime shirts with the bar so lug on. Sick. You we can sell primetime merch because. Primetime works. Barstools. A world man that is very cool. You guys know how I love putting the music on like the travel series videos and stuff like a hard on for that. Show a little. Kick, they sent me a video. So like I'm GonNa Group Chat with a like their guy like Erica put me in to like get this video on the blog like the announcement video and they picked up they picked a song that was like just like basically from Youtube. So like if you put that up on twitter is just going to get taken down because it's got like rights and stuff. So we have a database that we pay for songs and like that's what me and brandon and we'll go through and look for fucking songs like all day long on this database it's like API whatever this website And I was like Oh. Like all the they were like Oh. This may be like we can't use this noise like the sound and I went in I chimed in I was like I can probably find something a little suspenseful for you and like. The. Guy. And a bunch of people like liked it the message and I was like Oh shit the pressures on him now, and if you watch the video, it's like some of my best work I went. As he saying things, it's like the booms are happening and then like he ghosts think it stops it's fucking. It's fucking intense. So I'm GonNa chiming because I just watched it and as I was watching it, I was like this is frankie there's no doubt in my mind. Call I was GONNA be like did you pick the music for the dion announcement video news who's going to be a? Yes. Yeah. Dude I. It was like that's my best work. I think I've ever done. It's the craziest shit ever I. I was sitting in bed like one thirty in the morning just laugh and be like. All right. This is a teaser. Because he's got the charisma and he's got that like the. So like him speaking over dramatic tone like that is crazy I I was ready to run a wall. Yeah I've lost yet, but you are very good at that like you. You've the things you've made Tom Patchy look like the most dramatic. And like the best deliverer of dramatic information about binders in the history of the World God I'm not I. Listen to it obviously because we're on the podcast when I'm watching the video of announcement video and he is just he's fucking. Is. He's the best dude if our job takes us to crazy places, we go see share share in the Super Bowl fucking all star games swimsuit model on a private plane. The whole fucking thing I wanna go not us some Somali play on a swimsuit model plane to I mean the sound weird you're. On a on a plane with a bunch of super miles. To Houston to the Swim Australia swimsuit event. That was pretty cool thing because like you can't say anyway. I WANNA be able to go watch like someone make a movie like behind the scenes I, I wanna go see someone like score and movie i WanNa see how they make the fucking music. You think there's one listener in the war that's in that field affor- play one person is in like the fucking scoring business that like sits there like an gets. The orchestras and fucking or maybe they're in it yes. I did out I would love to get a message from someone. Big. Bro. I am in that world and I will invite you for Blair marshalls force dot com email, or hit up frankie because somebody's GonNa get you involved in years such an obsessive frequent the stuff that you get you involved Yep yeah. Okay, we've got Joe from Detroit says, is there any period in the future when you will actually be able to beat? Tiger. Woods in a match I read this when he sent the Maimi chuckle because I wanted to say, yes, immediately. But then I thought about it a lot and I think the answer is a resounding. No. Yeah what's tiger going to be at his worst when he's like seventy, five, eighty years old. So here's the math that I did like on myself I feel like my. The, best. The Best Golf I'll ever plays from now until the for the next twenty years I, feel like. I've already feel like I could have peaked when I was like playing high school golf. I'm still like able to hit the ball kind of far, and I'm still athletic enough like Nimble enough to be able to put a swing together I feel like until I'm like forty, six, forty, five then it starts like when fifty your ability start slowly deteriorate I feel like you're swings become slower especially if you're not already a scratch golfer fear Scratch Golfer, you can play until you're seventy he'll be good. That's my point about tiger woods when he said, when am I next twenty years I'm GonNa be like, okay. But Tiger still going to be elite when he's sixty four look Gary. Blair. Did beat us right now easily right layer goes out. And shoots it beats his age like every route eighty bucks in three and he goes out and shoots like low seventies mid seventies old time we're not. We're not GONNA be able to do that when we're sixty seventy. So how we unless the only the only way that the answer would be yes is if you count injuries like if Tigers back all of a sudden, just disappear like I don't even want to say that out loud. But if something happens tiger can't get out of bed then you then I would go challenge to a match in theory right with God we're playing right now you'll amount to the course and beat them and be I. The from the gallery. Job About. The bottom line is we need tigers body to greatly deteriorate we'd. which we don't want. In this hypothetical and we're talking twenty thirty years down the road. Anyway we needed to just completely deteriorate until like rig said, he can't get out of bed and then like. All right let's go. Let's get out of bed. Let's play two year old but until then. I just don't. I. Do not see it apple now I don't either. This season vodka wants you to make any hole on the course. The nineteenth hole everyone knows nothing better than enjoying a well-made transfusion during your round. That is true. That's a fact. Now, you have a chance to win free off your for you and for your friends, your buddies for doing it for destroying transfusions with vodka on the course from July fifth through September thirtieth. So that's right now take a picture of your new Amsterdam Vodka. Transfusion Tag Hashtag. Contests for a chance to win it transfusion Barstool New Amsterdam, Vodka merged pack or you and your friends. 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No, but you make a mistake like sometimes I'm like forget especially if you're on the back nine of the car and sometimes you don't put your initials there whatever and you forget which com you're in and you just like put like seven four and is supposed to be the other way around like you just give it a little a racer I mean come on and if you shoot. Around your life go get a new card and right in Pan Shit and a fucking like you can always Redo the card at the end. Make Look Nice. But May I ask you this? Do we think there's a market for golf pencils with erasers like are enough people upset about this that we should start selling golf pencils erasers because I have heard this brought up before but and I know what you're saying like. I don't know I feel like people want that. We should start selling them. I think that there's enough golf courses that already have pencils with races on them. I think a lot of ones that don't do probably cost gas like scorecard are pencils with racers or more expensive half to be what I do think a lot of people rely on. The Pencil when you arrive and a lot of public courses probably that like our fans are playing don't have eraser trade you might be right that if we just start selling them with racers, you bring your own. Barstool Goff a racer pencil to the course you don fucking prop. We're getting in the number two business fucking. That's Got To be one of the longest running businesses and the history of time. Yeah. Named the company that makes it. Oh, it's. I. Don't think I have it. Is it bic that was going to be my guess the. Mechanical. Ones. Right. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. But who's WHO's like the official Yellow Pencil? Ansel. The Big Pencil Sick, we act that we know are so. I'll man I took forever. Who? Hi Tania wrote. Ticonderoga. You know how long Ticonderoga has been printing money exonerate Honda Ragas the woman that green lettering on it like sometimes find whichever way you held it either your fingertips were on like that imprint of the logo or is on the the soft side. I mean. How much of a how much of a hit has the pencil industry taken since the invention of the Internet You would think it'd be a lot but they still use pens school all I right buck in West scantron fucking. Really Fuck you on those what. Do. You think the pencil was invented and be careful with centuries because when you save, you said eighteenth century that's actually the seventeen hundred I'd never understood that and I makes me fear I'm want to explain that to me I. Try because I said my girlfriend, the other day I said it was in the nine hundred nineteenth century and she said Oh it's the nineteen hundreds and I called her stupid but then I was trying to she's like well I don't understand like what was the first century and I said. From zero two thousand. One. Hundred hundred, zero, one hundred, and then one one. To Two hundred right euro that'd be the second. So technically makes sense the way they do it. Yes. Exactly. How I explained it the euro to one hundred is the first one one, two hundred is the second or one hundred to two hundred, zero second even though it's in the one hundred. So one five is in the second where we get goofed up is you'll say nineteenth century but then those years don't start with the number nineteen no rice even. It ends a eighteen, ninety, nine furious. But I get that. It makes sense. But I'm still mad. So if I had to guess when the Pencil. What century the that led fucking pencil in would. Yes. I'M GONNA say. I'm GONNA say the. Seventeenth Century. I'm going to say the fucking. I'm going to say the fucking thirteenth century they made a fucking pencil. So I would have actually said way earlier than you guys said. But you're both pretty damn close trends the closest it was. So after the sixteenth century discovery of a large source of pure and solid graphite in Cumbria the invention of the pencil soon followed in the fifteen sixty S. Wow. So sixteenth century. So? Yes. Yeah Man I thought for sure figured out a way to just like some version of the pencil like you're right. That's something that has inc or whatever. whatever like something? That could be a raceable? It's not like permanent. 'cause they'd been I mean there's been pictures on caves for a million years, but they're not using pencil. Lead you gotta decide when that came into the fray and it sounds like it was the sixteenth century member, the eraser game in like middle school like the getting in the eraser game when you got a good eraser nothing better. Get the triangle one and then you try to use it so that it would like it would wear away and cool patterns and Shit Yeah but like just like getting a good eraser was a good feeling, it had had a good feel to it. It was soft sometimes he had a really hard one that would leave a pink residue on the on the page, and then some some some pencils actually had like that fake racer where like no matter how many times you do sometimes, you'd almost like put a hole through the paper now as bad feeling. But when you had a really good eraser, like you said, you kind of wear away the fucking wax around the outside. and An eraser is comforting. It's forgiven it allows you to make mistakes. Says if you make a mistake I'm here for you and we're going to figure this thing out having a good erasure leads you to make less mistakes because you're. So at ease with what you're doing that you're less likely to be stressed out make mistakes I. think that's right now I used to love school supplies. I thought that was awesome. Well If. Rent while I was stupid because the smell the way that all just smells I am I'm a fan I was up rash notebook when you just had a fresh notebook and then I would start my penmanship. Page attache. Good. Then you just start to deteriorate into. Date the coroner's the beginning date him. As if it was a journal, I would datum I'd say class number one and I dated, and then I would fucking say a topic and what the two dots and then like indent below that and I'd right perfect and then you look on page forty five and it's just me fucking drawn a bunch of dicks. Just like the worst should have all. Of fresh notebook is great, it's like it's similar to the eraser thing where it's like anything's possible you can do anything in this book and then you realize you start to put things in it under the same old fucking idiot. So so it's actually not that cool but anytime, you get a new notebook, you're like possibilities are endless. When in fact they are there's an end to them pretty dead journal I kept when I was young I don't know where it is, but I wrote it in case my family found founded after. Yeah Yeah been a sick I love. My Mom, I love my dad. I wrote that I'd go to bed just in case I died they'd find that them. They'd be like Oh what a cool journal. Pick. Minded. Do you need to find. Prior horrify. A. One last thing when we're on this topic of like like the why this as I think we would you rather something maybe a couple of seconds ago I still KFC come up with this quote on radio the day, and I was with Dave actually doing pizza and I. and. I asked him his question. The question was. What is the better invention air conditioning or the Internet? and. I think the fuck an answer is the fucking air conditioning and the only reason I say that is because we live in a world currently with air conditioning. And I wouldn't be able to survive. Without Right, it becomes survival against. What you liked to do like I like were very Internet based company clearly, it doesn't exist on the right now or the unit right now we don't exist these jobs on existed that'd be Internet but like there are other jobs out there. There isn't is a substitute for air conditioning other than like Wang covered in. Ice. Cube. So so in terms of our lifespan. We're very dependent on the Internet. Obviously, the rest of the world is stupid. We are in like a very hyper way, but like air conditioning everybody I'm so fro air conditioning that I think I would reverse migrate if air conditioning didn't exist. Like I think during the summer months, I would go north like super north. And then I would 'cause I need to be near the Colt and I would just try to chase the cold and stay as far away from the hot as possible because you're right I. mean if you couldn't end, he didn't if you don't have any see like you probably don't have fans and shit either I like that's right. It's all like the cooling systems. It's just essentially like do you wanna live in a world with the internet or do you want to live in a world where it's just the temperature outside and you can't affect it at all? I mean us it's specific view. Would you rather have a job or would you rather have air conditioning? Well, I think that the answer harder because we live in a world with bolt. But if you were to say you're gonNA, come into a world and you didn't have either of them and you had to choose you're gonNA either have. This thing that's going to cool you down during the summers or you're, GonNa. Have this going to up the world to you in this portal and you can fuck in learn anything jobs off I. Think you end up choosing the Internet because you'll be like well, I was living without this air-conditioning anyway like I'm just like I'm surviving like a couple months ago I I told you guys on the podcast my air conditioner broke for a weekend in the hottest weekend in New York. City history maybe, and I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy dude, it's horrible being hot and sweaty and gross with no way out is. Like you're saying like knowing, we now live in a world where we know air conditioning feels like. So think about a world without it seems like a nightmare. Yeah I'm a big. I'm a big like, would you rather sit outside or what do you guys think? It's like we'll visit all hot like what just sit inside? That's right. It's just it's just more comfortable talking to a guy who got poisoning recently so I won't be able to sleep. What a day say? He laughed and he was like, I think it'd give back there and You know with air conditioning he needs to win his AC is like knock getting down to like sixty five degrees in his apartment whatever he called like he calls up the p like he's like something wrong with this like central air system that he can't sleep. WHOA news breaking news. The A. C. N. is apartments now working right now. No Way. He talks about less solid sucker quote. That is so fucking funny. That's. Time there you kidding me. See in his apartment. Yeah here we go. I come back the first day the is broken in. My apartment I'm operating on fumes, but I'm turning fumes into fuel primetime. Crackdown? He hates the noise AC I. think Everybody would pick AC I. think moolah vast majority would pick as maybe the question is like what's more important invention that is that's a better question. I think that is what the question was. What is the more important question that I think the answers it Which? That's it. That's all we got for today's show the Wyndham Championship Brooks playing kisses plight. So there's some names out there. So you can get involved and enjoy it, and in the playoffs start, they're going up to Boston stinks there's no fans but the playoffs start tigers gonNA probably play. It'll be a bunch of big tournaments really for about a month straight after that lead up to the USO. So get excited, enjoy your weekend maybe get out and play a little golf yourselves and we'll see you on Tuesday it hard are hard. Day.
184 - John Dillinger: Public Enemy Number One
"I will be the meanest bastard you ever saw when I get out of here. That is what John Herbert. Dillinger's supposedly said shortly after being sent to prison for a failed attempt at Robina local grocer after assaulting the man when he was sent to ten to twenty years in prison at the age twenty one he'd served nine and a half years get out immediately set upon a violent and short and insane fourteen month long crime spree full. The prison breakouts shootouts with law enforcement and multiple instances of stealing the police. His own weapons to use against them Dylan was an American Bank robber during the Great Depression in the United States. Who led a gang that robbed roughly two dozen banks and numerous other business? During his brief crime spree dillinger would escape from jail twice he would also help bust numerous other bank robbers and murderers out of prison in Indiana. He was shot multiple times had faced altering plastic surgery and became one of the most famous men in all of America who become public enemy number one and also become one of the most notorious depression era outlaws of all time. He even stood out against Moore violent criminals of his day. Men like baby face Nelson. Pretty Boy Floyd and Bonnie and Clyde the newspapers of time exaggerated accounts of dillinger's bravado and daring the media loved John and so did huge swath of regular Americans the government was not so stoked about him. He and his gang reshaped nations law enforcement tactics and level of authority. The government demanded federal action to stop the wave of lawlessness that he was a part of J Edgar Hoover longtime head of the FBI beefed up the Federal Bureau of Investigation's power substantially in response to the wave of organized crime and the Early Thirties dillinger. And his gang represented so strap in. Let's get ready for a very rebel without a cause. Tommy gun blasting gangsters malls in copper's addition of time suck. This is Michael McDonald. And you're listening to Holy Shit and happy Monday question. Mark Time suckers being the master sucker and I imagine you like everyone else. Listen to this around the time that it comes out at the very least are scared. And we're with. Yeah Hail Nimrod. We've never needed you more bigeye. Hailu Safina do something about this. Pandemic praise bojangles. Please piss on this stupid fucking virus and glory be to triple m hoping you can help sing some of this scary shit away hoping. I can help take your mind off some of this crazy right now. Sex I stand up tour. Toxic DOTS has been suspended. Because it's just too dangerous to travel right now and frankly most venues are shut down for the time being across the country. I'm sure most of you already know that. Stand up. Comedy is currently on life support right when we need to laugh. 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Dr Joe Horse Cock Johnson Page Nasty Evil Guy Scar on his face. I think he might be the bad guy. This movie quiz Suck Lindsey. Not sure if she's good or bad guys she might be held hostage by the Reverend Dr. It looks like an awesome cheesy real action movie. I so wish was real right now. And that's all so now. Let's get to gang. Take our minds off this bullshit. Get in here before we dig into our timeline over. Dillinger's life first let's talk about the Great Depression. The backdrop where his crimes occurred all is famous robberies. Were committed during a unique time in America's history when there was a a little more incentive to commit bank robberies in there was other times due to lack of jobs over overall financial calamity and be a greater chance to your robberies would be well received by the general public due to so many people's economic struggles. And see you. You know you're you're going to be able to become better armed than the police officers who were chasing. You better cars. Better guns Unique period for crime One of these days. I'm sure we'll suck the great depression self such a crazy time and unfortunately a much more relevant now than it was a few weeks ago with troublesome viral pathogen and fear around it spread wasn't the cause of the Great Depression its origins. Were much more. The fundamental cause of the US Great Depression was a decline in spending which led to a decline in production which led the further decline in jobs which led to further spending which led to even less jobs in. Well you get. The economic disaster began in August of nineteen twenty nine technically ended in March of nineteen thirty three. But Not really really. The economy didn't become truly healthy and prosperous again until the end of world war well over a decade later at the peak of the Depression. A full quarter of the nation were without jobs. Thousands were hobos eaten coach Chilean cans riding the rails they will beat behind the grind revenue. Bloodshot blinkers pilots. Showed US PEOPLE'S. Hold out for a little huge. It'll be juice a lot of sweet low from Sweet Mama Dishes. Look real hot tomato to get two times if not enough cabbage short on lists on the phone green. Go Round you. You're still pigeon so we talked back in the end roaring twenty S. She was looking great in the. Us sure alcohol prohibition which began in the nineteen twenty sucked but those who really wanted to drink still knew where to find it in the twenties the US boasted the largest economy in the world with the destruction wrought by World War. One European struggled while Americans flourished for most of the twenties. The unemployment rate hovered around four five percent times. It was lower than three percent. Which is real good. America's biggest businesses are in record profits during the twenty s. They reinvested much of those funds into expansion. The economy grew forty percent during the nineteen twenty s lot of a lot of rhino baking bread. Go Round even the crumbs. We're making that long. Green economy just kept expanding and expanding and expanding and expanding until by nineteen twenty nine. It had expanded to the bubble point. There suddenly wasn't enough qualified. Workers around to keep fueling further expansion. There weren't enough people to buying everything that was being made. A slowdown was inevitable and making everything exponentially worse was a very uneven wealth distribution corporate profits skyrocketed but wages for the common worker only increased incrementally widening the distribution of wealth sound a little terrifyingly familiar. Ceo's building wealth would last for generations bottom workers barely paying bills. The richest one percent of Americans owned a third of all of America's assets so much wealth concentrated in the hands of so few is never good for economic growth. I don't know a lot about the economy but I do know that. The wealthy tend to save money that would otherwise get funneled back into the economy if it were spread amongst the middle and lower classes. Come nine hundred twenty nine working class. Blue Collar. Americans couldn't keep spending to prop everything up many had already stretched her dead capacities by purchasing automobiles household appliances on installment plans. Things look so good that when Herbert Hoover took over as US President. One Thousand Twenty Nine. He predicted the. Us would soon see the day when poverty was completely eliminated and that was because he didn't understand the economy very well either he was. He was just a bit outside without prediction in one thousand. Nine hundred eighty two total value. The New York Stock Exchange was worth twenty seven billion by September of twenty nine to figure skyrocketed to eighty seven billion the average colder more than tripled the value of the stock portfolio. He or she was lucky. Enough to possess millionare's made virtually overnight. And that never continues this year after year after year. Stock fever swept the nation. People making that money. The stock market was a Gambler's paradise. It was like one big craps table where the shooter just kept hitting their point over an over in the table just kept on winning on one long ass role. It was the best times fueling. The growth more than anything was the risky practice of buying stock on margin people living beyond their means. It's always a fucking recipe for inevitable. Disaster a margin purchase allows investors to borrow money typically as much as seventy five percent of the purchase price to buy a greater amount of stock than they have the funds for stockbrokers even banks were funding reckless speculators banks loaning out money for people who have no fucking idea what they're doing to invest in the stock market. What could go wrong and then on Wednesday October Twenty Third Nineteen twenty nine the market which had been making everyone all this magic money dipped just under five percent. Why while to save that for later suck? I don't WanNA detour. And he further into complex economics all matters here is it dipped and that dip scared the shit out of everyone. Everyone was like what the fuck I thought. We only one on the stock market. I bet all the money I had in frankly a lot of money. I didn't have on the stock market. Everyone always wins right guys. Talk Right guys guys. Come on please. The Washington Post headline after this drop exclaimed huge selling wave traits near panic as stocks. Collapse knocked good really not good the next day when the market opened investors who've been laying in bed thinking about a headline the night before freaked the fuck out just about everyone wanted to sell sell sell sell stock immediately because they were afraid the mark would spiral further downward and they lose even more than the four point. Six percent lost the day before and when everyone sells their stocks the market continues to plummet. Investors are losing confidence and stock prices. Reflect THAT LOSS OF CONFIDENCE. Panic sets in more panic. The sales drive down the value of the stocks which creates more panic drives down sales further which creates more panic was drives things down. Further you know to continually declining stock prices stock by cycle the three leading banks at the time were Morgan. Bank Chase National Bank National City Bank in New York. They buy a whole shitload stocks to attempt to restore confidence in the market and doesn't work as well as hoped by the end of the day. The market dropped a two percent right crisis averted but not enough. Kinda hold steady for about three days and then the market you know after the weekend black Monday comes and it loses thirteen percent of its value just under thirteen percent really not good. Black Tuesday follows loses another almost twelve percent super super not good to lose roughly twenty five percent of the total value in two days and the market continues to slide and slide and slide and by July of nineteen thirty two. The Dow has lost almost ninety percent of its pre cash value almost maximum not good almost complete economic collapse for every dollar invested in the market in the fall of nineteen twenty nine. You'd have ten cents in the spring of thirty two and the stock market crash touches off a chain of events to plunge into its longest deepest economic crisis in history events like unsecured banks going bankrupt and taking their customers money with them the FDIC which guarantees. You won't lose your money if your bank goes. Bankrupt was created as a result of this crisis didn't exist prior to nineteen thirty three. It's kind of Nice whereas scariest things are right now. Theoretically very very very unlikely that they will get anywhere remotely this scary because of measure set in place because of this collapse banks lost their ass in the market crash back in the Great Depression. People didn't just lose their jobs. They lost their savings when the banks failed. Almost seven. Hundred and fifty banks failed in the first ten minutes months of the nineteen thirties alone. Roughly four thousand banks failed in the decade taking around one hundred forty billion dollars worth of their investors money with them and that is why people would find money hidden in the mattresses of their depression era parents or grandparents after they died. That's why those people didn't trust the banks. Can you imagine that? How scary would that be? If you've been saving money for years you know then you go to the bank to withdraw and there's you to close sign an out of business sign. The modern equivalent would be their website. Nab just doesn't show up anymore. My God you could open up Wells Fargo Bank. Whatever and it just doesn't work you go to the website and it just has. This site can't be reached air message. You call eight hundred number. You get a message saying the numbers no longer in service. That is basically what happened. Rights to thousands upon thousands of millions of Americans and that is one of the reasons why many in the public loved it. When dillinger and gangsters like dillinger got away with bank robberies the banks and their minds had fucked them taking all their money when they went bankrupt. So fuck the banks. Someone who did not like dillinger Someone who evolved America enforcement help catch dillinger was J. Edgar Hoover nother sucker the character who would modify the investigative techniques increase the strength and power of the Bureau of Investigation predecessor to the FBI In order to catch dillinger. His fellow gang members and other members of organized. Crime Crime So let's talk about hoover. I know I've mentioned this before but I think it's worth to mention again. J. Edgar Hoover came from a lot of money which would influence public perception against him. As he chased dillinger. Who didn't come from any money? It was the rich kid. Federal government tyrant who can give an all the opportunities versus the workman who had never been given any J. Edgar's father Rutherford g hoover founded the now iconic hoover vacuum company and Kano high of eight hundred eighty eight after buying the patent for the first modern upright vacuum from an Ohio gender named Jackson Guggenheim. He was a marketing guru very quickly. Everyone wanted to hoover and he made millions and he had two sons future head of the FBI J. Edgar Hoover and future. Us President Herbert Hoover and they both grew up with a ton of ACCU money. Plenty of suck scratch cleaner Jaguars. Crisp clean quarters fastball links and the advertising slogan nothing sucks like Hoover there will be used to forty fifty sixty seventy S. Some people think it actually comes from people hating president. Herbert Hoover not from people liking hoover vacuums because they blamed him for not handling the depression well then years later. The company tried to poke some fun themselves and use S. Logan to make a little money other think it comes from rivers the J. Edgar Hoover was gay and the slogan originally as a homosexual slur against him. Still others. Think nothing sucks like a hoover comes from rumors that J. Edgar and his brother. Herbert teamed up together to kill original. Blonde bombshell film star. Jean Harlow in the chopped up her remains you several vacuums to suck her up dumped the bloodied vacuum bags and Lake Superior. That's what the legend is. Her remains. Were never found so fucking discussing such a brutal way to hide a body and at least one person thinks that the phrase nothing sucks like a hoover comes from a rumor that a young J. Edgar Hoover and Young Herbert Hoover. His brother both lost their penises and a tragic boys will be boys sexual experiment. Where each put their penises in a different vacuum attachment at the same time in a masturbation race of sorts and their fathers machine was so powerful immediately ripped off both of their dicks. Nothing sucks like a hoover Thank God one person. That's me according to my wife. A mentally unstable. There's a very good chance I just made up. Not only that last part but everything else I just said about Jaeger and Herbert Hoover and they have zero connection to the hoover family. Forget everything I just said about the horse. Let me start over. I mean actually introduce you to J. Edgar Hoover Afro Depression Talk for real as my daughter. Monroe Moma would say J. Edgar Hoover joined the Justice Department and nine hundred seventeen at the age. Just twenty two. And he was named director of the Department's Bureau of Investigation just seven years later. Nineteen twenty four. He would remain in charge. The Nation's largest crimefighting investigative body for almost fifty years in a way hoover is the closest thing. America has ever had to a dictator. He become powerful enough to intimidate sitting presidents before his long long reign would be over when the bureau reorganized as Federal Bureau of Investigation Nineteen Thirty Five Hoover instituted strenuous agent recruited advanced intelligence gathering techniques. The national criminal fingerprint database was organized under his leadership during his tenures gangsters Nazis Communists later in his career who were ordered a legal surveillance against suspected enemies of the state and political opponents despite often receiving harsh criticism from the public he remained director of the FBI until his death on May Second Nineteen seventy-two some speculate. He remained power for so long because he'd collected so much dirt on those who wanted to remove him from office. John Edgar Hoover was born January. I eighteen ninety five to dickerson. Naylor Hoover Anne Anne Marie Shetland Hoover to civil servants who worked for the US government. He grew up literally in the shadow of Washington. Dc In a neighborhood just three blocks from Capitol Hill who was close to his mom who served as the families disciplinarian immoral guide. He lived with her until she died in. Nineteen thirty eight when he was forty three years. Old highly competitive. Hoover worked to overcome a stuttering problem by learning to talk fast child. He joined the debate team in high school. Where he achieved. Notoriety as quick witted aggressive debater. Wanting to enter politics. He worked for the Library of Congress after high school and attended night classes at George Washington University Law School. He earned his L L B Bachelor of laws and L L M Master of laws degrees in nineteen seventeen and that's a bad ass title master of laws by had that degree and I'd want to be introduced like that you know by by everyone everywhere even my friend Dan. Sorry have you met my friend in master laws yes that same year during which the United States enter will won a World War One. Excuse me Hoover Master of laws obtained to draft exempt position. With the Justice Department his efficiency in conservatism soon drew the attention of Attorney General a Mitchell Palmer who pointed him to lead the General Intelligence Division G. I. D. created to gather information on radical groups during the war and one thousand nine hundred ninety. Ged conducted raids without search warrants arrested hundreds of individuals from suspected radical groups though known to history as the Palmer raids. Hoover was the real man behind the scenes. Hundreds of suspected subversives were deported. Ultimately Palmer suffered politically from the backlash and was forced to resign. While the Master of laws reputation remains stellar. Who yet another guy. Who TAKES US right back to that argument about the federal government? We've had since the Ruby Ridge suck really. I brought up in the Waco Branch Davidian cult suck talking about the FBI. Raided that compound. Is it ever okay for the federal government to circumvent law to break the law for the greater good? Should they get to decide what the greater good is? Was it okay for Hoover to conduct illegal rates to get people out of the country to help the war effort? Does that make him a patriot or tyrant or both the founding fathers broke laws to create the US did hoover break laws to protect the nation. They'd created it's such a tough argument. I get the site of Nope. Never Okay never break the laws. That doesn't make the government especially law enforcement branch the government any better than the criminals arrest. I get that. Also get the argument of sometimes. Special circumstances should allow for exemptions in the interest of saving American lives and during times of war in the interest of helping America. Win THAT WAR. In that case there can meet argument made of infringing on the freedom of a few to preserve the freedom of many if life was only black and white thought. Things were simple but the aren't managing a nation of millions and millions of people who all have different beliefs and priorities. I imagine it's an incredibly complex task getting more complicated by the day right now Anyways hoover would often been break the law in his pursuit of criminals. John dillinger which would help fuel public support of dillinger and gangsters like him and make a lot of the public hoover. Nineteen twenty four. The twenty nine year old hoover was appointed the director of the bureau investigation by President Calvin Coolidge. He long had long sought to position and accepted the appointment on the condition that the bureau be completely divorced from politics and the director report. Only to the attorney general you don't want to be caught up and fuck and political party nonsense. As Director Hoover PUT INTO EFFECT NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONAL CHANGES. He fired agency considered political appointees or unqualified love. It ordered background checks interviews physical tests for new agent applicants. He wanted his G men a term that technically means government men came to really only apply to FBI agents to be the best of the best depression era gangster. George Machine Gun. Kelly may have coins phrase when he shouted. Don't shoot Jin don't shoot when. Fbi agents arrested him when he was unarmed. Nineteen thirty-three who were obtained increased funding from Congress. Shortly after his appointment is a tutor to technical laboratory. Conducted scientific methods for gathering analyzing evidence during the nineteen thirties will soon learn all kinds of violent gangsters were wreaking fucking havoc across the Midwest and they were successful largely because local. Police were outgunned and outmatched. They didn't have the gang superior firepower. They didn't have their fast getaway cars in some locations. They didn't have their numbers. Syndicated criminal organisations were able to run the show and a number large cities and hoover was determined to stop him. He pressed and receive with authority to have bureau agents go after these groups under federal interstate. Laws such Tori gangsters John Dillinger. George Machine Gun Kelly. There were hunted down. And who would go on to do a lot more after the life of dillinger's it's not really relevant to today's tale so we'll skip it here today he shaped the FBI in his own image of discipline and patriotism and again again. This master laws was tasked to chase today's subject and his gang down now before we dig into. Dillinger's life let's look at some of his exciting peers and some of his predecessors get ready for tales of gangsters drifters the malls. Grab Chicago type. Ronaldson drilling CINDE Dixon. Film G Men Gumshoes and Coppell's with daylight the roaring economic boom in the twenty s and yes. Economic History Buffs. I am aware there were a couple minor. Recessions that happened on the twenty s Surge of bank robberies across. Us began which continued through the Great Depression of the Nineteen Thirties. The Bureau of Investigation formed in Nineteen. Oh eight morphed into the division of an investigation excuse me nineteen thirty three morphed into the FBI in nineteen thirty five. The same year became an independent service within the Department of Justice technically. Fbi never pursued dillinger. And then it didn't exist by that name of that time but it was the same guys working under a different title. The same age various names became involved in investigation to bank robberies and the apprehension of robbers in the early thirties. The severity of the roving criminal gangs in the depression years led to bank robbery becoming a federal crime in nineteen thirty four prior to that their hands were tied. If somebody robbed a bunch of banks up to the states law enforcement officers not the not the feds know before nineteen thousand four. None of these banks for remembers the Federal Reserve System Prior to that Action Bank Robber Ohio. You know could escape to a bordering state like Kentucky or Indiana and avoid pursuit or arrest over a lot of that a long time ago in the Bonnie and Clyde suck couple years back. That's how they got away with so many crimes you rather bank in Kansas City Missouri. And you bounce across the Bridge Kansas City Kansas. He just lay low for a while the good old days brazen crime best time in American history to be an armed bank robber twenties and early thirties. You could have a faster. Cars in the coppers bigger guns more manpower way easier to hide out. Thanks to prohibition There was more money. Crime than ever mandate fucking prohibition ever backfire. Many people who had no interest and other illegal vices like prostitution or gambling still wanted to drink. There was a huge. Us Market for alcohol and with all that money came the incentive to organize and grab a bigger slice that big money Pi gangs became businessman or at least hired businessmen to help run their expanding business operations in the twenty s business was expanded in the US. Both legal and illegal kind organized crime grew like never before as they created bootleg distribution systems and supply lines and these legal enterprises needed to defend their organizations gangster supplying speakeasies and underground gambling halls with Hutson Jesuits ferrallonthebench can does Donald and Boorda's an hour. They need a muscle. More and more men will become a gangster all the time the Stock Market Crash Nineteen twenty nine and ensuing depression lack of jobs only encourage even Mormon women to turn to lives of crime in the laws. The time severely hinder law enforcement efforts to catch them. Coppers who weren't on the take many were bought off gangsters making all that fucking money during the Golden Era Crime couldn't even pursue criminals again across state lines is in the earlier days in the Western criminals such as Jesse James gained sympathy and even admiration citizens who agreed with their activities. Some of the famous robbers and murderers of these days days. Roving gangs became a folk heroes amongst the downtrodden victims of depression. In addition to Dillinger Bonnie and Clyde. Pretty Boy Floyd. Many other celebrated dillinger in particular became popular with the public by committing daring bank robberies or. He seemed to make great efforts not to harm bank employees or customers. That wasn't necessarily true but that was the image that was portrayed. He tried more than many of his contemporaries. But it wasn't a good guys as we'll see here before we really get to know dillinger. Let's meet some of these piers predecessors for context a star with some guys. I I really want sock which I know sounds we're for new listeners. so butch cassidy and the Sundance kid man. Out of the hole in the wall pass in Wyoming was an easily defended difficult to approach hideout for several criminal gangs that took sanctuary there from the eighteen sixties through the early twentieth century often several different gangs occupied simultaneously the most towards no. Excuse me the most notorious gang the used the pass was the wild bunch led by Robert. Leroy Parker Aka Butch Cassidy and his partner. Harry Long Ball Aka Sundance Kid. And after these guys you know we'll go to like depression-era era times but I just think that's the fun little predecessor. Some guys to mention the wild bunch gray gang name favored robbing trains hoping to avoid shootouts in the aftermath of the robberies of but they weren't above a bank hold-up on September nineteenth nineteen hundred. They committed one of their many hold-ups after members of the wild bunch entered the town of Win Amok Nevada home win amok home of the Winners Hotel and casino. Possibly the most depressing place I've ever performed. Stand up at Holy Shit. They still do comedy one night a week from what I understand. I played their two or three times shortly after starting out. It was fucking terrible each every time. I've never heard a single comic that I know talk about. Oh Yeah I had a great time. They're like they've been doing it for for Laterano thirty years. This place hasn't been remodeled much. Since the fifties or sixties. I think the same people are gambling. There started gambling there in the fifties or sixties the wild West town that saw its best days in my opinion by far during the wild west. But still there. If you live there and you love it I can. I'll get it but God bless Ya if someone gave me the choice between living in Winnipeg Nevada for the rest of my life or spending ten years in federal prison out fucking pig prison immediately. I would do my time and be happy once. I got and out funding. Go to Maga anyways back in nineteen sorry pissed listeners. We have any was back in nineteen hundred three men entered the thousand person dusty town actually right now with with all the great place to live because no one's been coming for years so it's kind of already been quarantined. It's been quarantined. Since nineteen eighty five in many ways anyways back in nineteen hundred three minutes enter the thousand person dusty town made their way to the first national bank and demanded the cashier. George Nixon opened the safe. Give up the gold coins within after the cashier reluctantly complied. The men made their escape with thirty thousand dollars. Six hundred and forty or thirty to six hundred forty thousand dollars worth of gold coins an amount that equates to just over a million in two thousand twenty money that's a true wild west movie type. Hold up bandits running off with the literal bag of gold worth. Roughly a million dollars and that money was never recovered broadcast. You may not have been physically involved in that one. Historians think though he was at least heavily involved in the planning of it. The outlaws were pursued by hastily foreign policy later tracked by former sucks subject to Pinkerton. But they're never captured for that crime or any other at least not one North America. And maybe not one at all butch and Sundance made their way to South America and continued robbing down there for years. Then they were shot and killed supposedly a November sixth near San Vicente in southern Bolivia and a shootout with local police. And some soldiers after Robin career carrying payroll for silvermine or were they a lot of people think they ended up sneaking back into the US after getting away with a number of South American holdups. Numerous family members of both men claim to a visit with them years after their supposed deaths. Four sure Bush Kassian. Sundown Sundance kid sucks someday and I need to finally watch that movie with Robert Redford. Paul Newman during diligence. Run to other. Famous outlaws also became beloved by the Public Bonnie. And Clyde we sucked them again way back in episode thirty nine Bonnie Parker and Clyde bowral or no nationwide for their notorious bank robberies and other crimes they made headlines across America from nineteen thirty two to nineteen thirty four with their brazen exploits on January sixteenth. Nineteen thousand four or five prisoners including Raymond Hamilton. Who were serving life? Sentences totaling more than two hundred years were liberated from the eastern state prison farm at Waldo Texas by Bonnie and Clyde. Two guards were shot by the escaping prisoners with automatic pistols. That Clyde had two other outlaws Floyd Hamilton and Jimmy mullins high ditch. Those two guys is slipped through a barbed wire perimeter fence around the prison. Hit An old innertube under drainage culvert inside that to to Colt forty five automatics and several clips of AMMO. The next day Floyd Hamilton. Visit his little brother in prison. His brother Raymond told them about the guns. Other escape details. Few days later another inmate Aubrey skelly was able to retrieve the gun sneaking into Joe Palmer sell who hit him in a mattress and the next day. A heavy fog blanketed the prison grounds. Clyde borrow two others hid in the woods near the edge of the country road just outside the prison. Clyde carried a browning automatic rifle capable of firing twenty round clip of armor piercing shells less than three seconds. Clyde new. This prison already served time there and he fucking hated. He hated the guards. He said he'd seen prisoners beaten by guards stuffed and tin sweat boxes under the blazing Sun. He said he'd seen prisoners prisoners murder by guards sometimes for the twenty five dollar reward for the capture of escaped prisoners other times for revenge when he was released he swore he'd come back and bust out some other prisoners and hopefully kill a few guards himself at some point that morning. Joe Palmer shot a prison guard out in the yard in the break was on after hearing. Joe Fire shots. Clyde comes out of the treeline opens fire on the guard's without automatic rifle. Bonnie sitting in the getaway car hits the horn and the chaos that follows two guards leave their posts fleeing for their lives in a bunch of do get out. Raymond and other prisoners. Ran Clyde covered the retreat with continued bursts of machine gun fire. He and Bonnie had done with the come to do they. Busted prisoners out of the jail that Clyde so hated during their violent career together. They're believed to have killed nine police officers and four civilians. The pair probably rob less than a dozen banks. They did rob from a lot of other places mostly Gas Stations and little little kind of grocery stores and then the two were killed in an ambush in Louisiana may twenty third nineteen thirty four. Their car was turned into virtual Swiss cheese in a hail of gunfire. Another of. Dillinger's contemporary was man people called pretty boy who would become hoover's public enemy number one after DILLINGER's death Charles Arthur. Pretty Boy Floyd gun happy. Bank robber who during his violent career cultivated a favorable image with the general public by spreading rumors that in the course of his robberies he also destroyed mortgage documents saving many people from foreclosing on their farms and homes There's actually no evidence that he did that. But that was the that was the legend. This sprint pretty boy floyd was named by the FBI is being one of the gunmen. Involved in the infamous. Kansas City massacre on June seventeenth nineteen thirty-three shootout in which three police officers in an FBI agent were killed when escorting? Frank Nash. One of the Depression era's most successful bank robbers during a change of custody after Nash. Been arrested a few days prior in the popular underworld hideout a hot springs. Arkansas national dying. This escape attempt unlikely. The Floyd was actually involved with J. Edgar Hoover used. The event is propaganda to further the case of army fights. Fbi agents and pursuing. Floyd Floyd did do a lot of bad shit. Floyd did elise killed three police officers. And several other underworld figures including out indicates he may have supplemented his income from bank robberies by also serve as a Hitman for various organized. Crime figures floyd grew up in a small town in Oklahoma when it became impossible to operate a small farm in the drought conditions of the late twenties. Floyd tried his hand at bank robbery. He quickly got caught for Robbins. Saint Louis Payroll delivery and found himself in a Missouri prison. After being paroled in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred eighty two thousand five learned a man named Jim Mills had shot his father to death. Mills had been acquitted of the charges. And then right after Floyd got out of prison. This guy disappeared forever. He shows up in the same town as mills and Mills. Gun Floyd biographers. Her you know pretty sure that he he killed him father then he moves to Kansas City and along with a couple of friends he met in Prison Starts Robbing Banks Missouri and Ohio. He gets caught again. He could send to twelve to fifteen years Ohio on the way to prison on the prison transport train. He kicks out a fucking window jumps off and it gets away amazing. How many stories there are of dudes breaking out of prison? We're going to have some great ones later in this episode man. I know these dudes I love fucking prison break tail for whatever reason I mean if you're on a train heading to prison and you might not get out like fifteen years. How amazing would it feel to kick the window out? Jump survive runoff to actually pull off that escape and talk about turning your day around one minute like fuck. I'm fucking prison. Fifteen years for the prime of my life and then like fifteen minutes later. You're just to feel but-but-but by up by getting away with it. Floyd made it Toledo hooked up with Bill. The killer Miller. That's a solid outlawed. Name that dude. Lucked in the last name department with Miller probably wouldn't have a cool tough nickname of his last name was like Walker Baker. You know build Stocker Walker. That's not good bill. The faker Baker. That's that's not nearly as strong. Hey Hey guys baker just scream. He's he's roll around. I think he's been shot now. He's fine kid. He does that ever gunfight right after the first shots fired. I say classic faker Baker Move. He wants limped for two weeks. Said he'd been shot in the leg all they're really been done to him was he. Kinda was trying to clip his. Dang toenails and a short plastic. Faker banker Pretty boy floyd killer Miller. One of the crime spree across several states also started dating this ridiculous. They started dating two sisters They met along the way during the crimes. Free One of them is married and the other is dating that man's brother when they mate and then fly. Flip that funny but Floyd and killer Miller. They're like well now. We wanted these girls and these guys are kind of the way these fucking killed him as killed both those dudes author girls. Floyd would rob more than thirty banks kill at least ten men during his criminal career. Before he himself was gunned down in Ohio. Field are the night of October twenty. Second Nineteen thirty four just outside of East Liverpool Little Town of eleven thousand that borders Pennsylvania and West Virginia. This guy he raised a lot of help for dude who died at thirty baby face Nelson. Another famous gangster. Who committed a number of robberies? Whitlinger was a member of gang for a time. So we'll talk more about Nelson a bit but let's talk about a bit now. This guy's a fucking lunatic. He was a psychopath in the late. Nineteen Twenty S. Lester Gillis. Who USED The alias? George Nelson was developing a budding criminal career by performing home invasion to cash jewellery. Furs Robin Stores Robin Taverns. He robbed his first bank in April of nineteen thirty Another in October that year and in Chicago and then even rob jewelry from the Mayor of Chicago's wife and then she saw him and she's the one who labelled him as having a baby face and then baby face Nelson stuck in the press a nickname that he hated that no one called him to his face. Nelson was especially violent. He committed his first known murder. During a botched tavern robbery by nineteen thirty two D Nelson have been caught convicted and sentenced to prison and then he escaped. All these guys escape escaped during a prison transfer nine thirty two Breaking out of the joint was apparently a right of passage with these dudes the following year. He rob a bank in Grand Haven Michigan Nelson decides to form and run his own gang of bank robbers in nineteen thirty three on October third. They robbed the first National Bank of brainerd Minnesota during which Nelson why I guess he says he formed his own. He really was. Dillinger's gang so we'll talk about this a little bit but he but he's I don't know maybe like a CO leader and During this bank robbery he just randomly starts a fired. His submachine gun at bystanders. On the street the DECI. Because he's fucking crazy like even amongst other notorious gangsters and he was laughing. All he was doing it was kind of a movie. Just sprayed with bullets is random. People for help helped the robbery. Not at all He had a reputation for being particularly violent and unstable in March nineteen. Thirty four. You partner with dillinger. Another job to rob the security national bank in Sioux falls followed a week later by the first National Bank Mason City Iowa. And after pretty boy floyd was killed. Nelson inherited the designation of public enemy number. One you know A little while later Nelson remained on the run with his wife usually auto camps which were common and thirties auto camps for basically like the precursor to RV parks and motels big. Lots where people just park their car set up a little tent and hang out for a while cheaper than a motel easier for gangster to slip in and out of Nelson was finally cornered and killed by FBI agents in November of nineteen thirty four in a gun battle which two F. B. I. Agents are also killed another insane story. The gun battle begins because baby face. Nelson chases down the FBI officers after spotting on the highway. A fucking insane is at they. Don't chase him down. He chases them down. They tried to from him to FBI agents they get out of here before the gun battle. Nelson speeding down the highway chasing the agents shooting at him. Dude is insane. Toughest Fox survived confrontation. Only die of his wounds at a safe house. A short time later he would be a great suck. You One more. Before we get into dillinger. Maybe the most prolific bandit active. At the time of dillinger. Willie Sutton you'd be actor for a long time after Dylan's nineteen fifty he'd be named the FBI's newly created ten most wanted fugitives did have been robbing banks for over thirty years. By that time he's been four decades. Roughly Robin over one hundred banks steal around two million dollars and acquired two nicknames. The actor and Slick Willy I ingenuity and executive or executing robberies in various disguises fond of expensive clothes sutton was described as being an immaculate dresser known to be a gentleman carrying himself very differently than some of his You know a hothead peers. I've just talked about people. President is robbery. Said he was a quite polite. One victim of robberies said the watching one of Sutton's robberies was like being at the movies accepted the US. You're just happened to have a gun. When asked why he robbed. Banks Sutton supposedly famously said. Because that's where the money's he would later claim he'd never said that he said that a reporter wrote that attributed to him to sell some papers after denying that quote. He did say why he did it. He said why do I rob banks because I enjoyed it or why did I rub eggs? Because I enjoyed it. I loved it. I was more live when I was inside a bank. Robbing it than any other time in my life. I enjoyed everything about it so much. The one two weeks later IBM looking for the next job but to me the money was the chips. That's all he just fucking did it. Mostly just because he disliked it. I love the honesty there. Now as a fucking great time. The Super Fun Sudden Wants Rob Dubrow Broadway jewelry store in broad daylight impersonating post office. A MESSENGER sons other disguises included in policemen Maintenance man usually would arrive at banks stores slightly before the open for the day like these other dudes. Yeltsin knew how to get out of jail in nineteen thirty one in June. He was sent to prison on charges of assault and robbery. He was sentenced to thirty years and then he committed one of three prison. Escapes scaled the prison wall to nine foot sections of ladder that he joined together on my God all these guys in addition to dillinger led to the FBI increasing their powers to track them down and arrest of the so many prison escapes so many brazen robberies There's never been a criminal era comparable to their since one thousand nine hundred and there probably won't be. It was a different time. And maybe the best how America for Crime. Now dig into danger after a quick break. Please listen and support the sponsors as it helps support. This show helps us to continue to get sponsors us our discount codes if you want any of these deals so they know that time suck sent you their way. Now listen up if you have teeth. Attention all teeth and or single tooth owners. 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Seattle many more other cities had over one hundred. Seventy thousand people in it very big city for the time. He's the younger of two children. Born to Grocer. John Wilson Dillinger and Mary Ellen Molly Lancaster who'd been married August twenty third eighteen eighty seven in Marion County Indiana. They both worked at the grocery store not far from their home. John Wilson's father had opened up when he came over from France. Dillinger's older sister Audrey was born fourteen years earlier on March six eight hundred eighty nine so he's almost an only child and according to legend his family knew he was boy right away. They didn't have ultrasounds back then. To determine the sex of the baby pre birth but if Legend true dillinger's mom may have had a penis herself for a while for at least a duration third trimester because his huge Wayne wouldn't been able to fit in her uterus. They're seriously are a ton of legends out there about how endow danger was wearing at the bottom of this right now because if you look up. Diligence DOT COM. It's ridiculous it comes up all the time. One legend says that the dude had a twelve inch. Course Cock something. Even Reverend Dr Joe Paisley would be envious of Especially back when he was noticed micro pain because the legend says that it was twelve inches win. Limp twelve inches limp erect. It was supposed to be twenty two inches. Twenty two just fucking absurd from what I've researched. I did way more research than I ever did to buy. This is what it would be. The biggest known human peanuts in history. Surprisingly the Guinness Book of World Records Does Not include. I looked so so hard pun not intended for the record for the longest human penis. My I think why they don't have it in Guinness is I. I'm just guessing because they would have to send an official representative of the company to measure it. And that's kind of uncomfortable. Ask somebody like you. GotTa go miss. This case are Dick for reference dixies famous porn star. Ron The hedgehog. Jeremy claims to have a nine and a half inch thick. That's when hard rights under ten inches former sucks w Jon. Holmes starved the wonderland murders right one of the most famous porn stars of all time known forever. One of the biggest dicks and the history of the business never officially measured Homes first wife recalled him claiming it to be ten inches when he first measured himself homes himself once claimed penis to be fifteen inches long. You must have been measured from his butthole. His manager said I saw John Measure himself several times. It was thirteen and a half a lot of You know variations on how people are measuring stuff going from the back of the ball sack. You offer the bottle you're going from the shaft hits the the lower growing. So that's you know. And they're saying twenty two with dillinger. My God thirteen and a half inches. Is these supposed length of Jona? Falcons Dick Google. Who has the bay stick ever? He's the guy who comes at least when I googled it Jonah Falcon. He's a forty nine year old New Yorker non adult film star. He wants appeared on the daily show talking about it. He's appeared on. Tlc Show called strange sex. He says he has thirteen and a half inch thick A fifty six year old Mexican. Man Roberto Esquivel. Cabrera made some media rounds primarily in the UK tabloids a couple years ago when he started claiming having nearly nineteen inch Dick. There's much weird fucking pictures of him. Were not quite porn. Because he's basically like wearing a sock on his dick and it hangs well below his knees and something that John Diligence. Dick was three inches longer than that diligent was five seven. If this is true his dick would almost be tapping the top of his boots. Other rumors suggested with fifteen inches of thirteen or twelve. Get outta here. I did find out where all these legend originated. This is hilarious to me. They all originate from from like a still photo taken shortly after he was killed at the Cook County morgue. After Dylan's are shot and killed in Chicago. He was taken to the morgue but before he was buried random people were allowed to pose for pictures like next to his body was draped over like a sheet draped over him. They they would do this all the time. Like in some ways we meet sex. Used to be much darker. I've talked about this before much darker than we are now. Now we listen to true crime. Podcast and watch documentaries. Wasn't that long ago. We were posing smiling next to dead. Bodies dillinger's right arm was draped over his body underneath the sheet resting across his waist in the photo the way the sheet sticks up above his. It's his arm. It's as stiff. Rigor mortis arm. But it looks like he died with the biggest fucking boner. Anyone like cartoonish like he had like a elephant cock on a smaller man's body and so this rumor gets spread by the nineteen sixties. It'd become a true urban legend in America one known to almost every American adolescent. I would compare it for people around my age. It was the equivalent of the Gerbil getting stuck in actor. Richard Gere's asked. I heard about that when I was everybody fucking heard about that right. That was it. Was that of the sixties an earlier in the fifties and everyone thought that John Air the John Villager had a huge huge Dick and then another rumor spread about it The his Johnson had been cut off preserved in a jar formaldehyde and stored at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History Not true. They don't have as CR- Gangsters Dick. And a jar. This Estonian this rumor was so persistent. Smithsonian got so fuck of being so fucking sick of being asked questions about it. They publicly addressed it. They publicly lesson. We don't have a ticket ajar. Stop asking us about it There was another rumor. The DILLINGER'S DICK SAT ATOP J Edgar Hoover's desk the FBI also highly unlikely to be true the FBI actually publicly address. This is well because they were sick of people asked about it like what I mean. Can you imagine if one of our government leaders just had a dude Dick in a jar on their desk like like where they worked on Capitol Hill come on any number of politicians being crazy but that that is much further? I just make yourself at home. You can set your drink right. Oh God I'm sorry. Let me move that. I haven't been able to side where where to keep us Dick Ajar so Just rest on my desk where I mean everyone I I me with an ear can can take a good look at it I am. I am a master of laws and you will respect my Dick in a jar. Yeah and the FBI address. That like I said how awkward we hear the FBI. Just want the American public to know that our director does not affect have John Villagers Wreck. Peniston a desk. Thank you for your time before I move on Richard Gere never had a Gerbil stuck his ass. I finally looked into that a Gerbil the he put up there in in some bizarre sexual bestiality Gerbil Lean. It's called encounter. This rumor started after an anonymous practical jokester faxed a phony press release throughout the Hollywood community from the Association of the Prevention of Cruelty to animals stating the of pretty woman was going to be in a lot of trouble for abusing said Gerbil and who does gear think this anonymous jokester was Sylvester Stallone. Sly Stallone yes the rocky and Rambo Star stallone this is such a ridiculous wormhole got stuck in stallone and gear fought on the set of the nineteen seventy four film the Lords of Flatbush. The director had to fire one of them got that contentious. He fired gear. Stallone later. Said in a two thousand six interview that gear still hates him for this gear said in an interview that stallone spread that. Gerbil rumor which Delone Denies Salone said. The gear was a huge asshole on the set of that movie and and if he did get him fired for being a Dick and he did spread that rumor about the Gerbil that many believe this day he has to be pretty proud of himself. I would be. Oh my God and I follow the seventy three year old CELONA instagram in that dude cracks fuck. I love that dude. His last film Rambo last blood May Grossed over ninety million at the box office for a profit of over forty million. That's just at the box office. Richard Gere's latest film. Three Christ's made a little under thirty eight thousand dollars total at the box office. It was beyond a flop so is still alone has been in some sort of unacknowledged competition with gear. He's he's fucking crushing right now. Okay so that little detour over gear never got caught with a Gerbil his ass. He never had. That doesn't even happen. The whole concept of Gerbil I also got fucked sucked into that where it's a complete urban legend. There are no legitimate accounts. No proof in any credible publication in a number of like medical publications like the the. The legend was so persistent. Does that even happen? No there's no record of it ever happening to anyone again enjoyable nurse so no one knows how big diligence was. Not an Richard. Gere didn't do that. Total rumor and gossip. Sorry for those of you who were sure. He was packing some serious heat down there. If that was important to you as far as legend man he was. We just don't know anything about his penis he he can have whatever you wanted to have potentially anyway That is the end of today's time. Suck timeline job so get the fuck out of here. I thought the end we terrible. They'll be when new listeners which is hit. Stop what the. Why does anyone like this? Podcast fuck this show now back to his bio John's father. John Wilson Diller was born July second eighteen sixty four owned a small grocery store in the city's I've said he was religious man Although he didn't go to church a lot when John was grown up in his younger years He reportedly all day between abusing and spoiling his son You know beating him giving him money for treats locked in the House and allowed them to settle. Night is very back and forth and John's father. John Wilson had fifty seven inch penis They called him pogo stick. Of course it's not that'd be a super painful pogo stick Dillinger's mother died of a stroke in one thousand nine hundred seven just before his fourth birthday when she was only thirty six old kill by her husband's penis of course no but she did die and that is young man to be died of a stroke terrifying later that year His now eighteen year old sister. Audrey gets married to Emmett Fred. Hancock didn't make last name. Just happens to plan to what we're talking about They'd begun dating two years earlier already. Had a child together did another child in nineteen. Oh eight child who died shortly after birth. They'd have seven more kids together and five with live man back with tragedy was way too common. Little village around this time is cared for by older sister and her husband who lived with John's dead. Not a ton is known about young grade school villager. By all accounts he was a happy toddler. Pictures show a grinning kid like to ride carts and wagons pedal tricycles outside four years later may twenty third nineteen twelve. Is Father. Diligence father remarries in Morgan County. To Elizabeth lizzie fields randomly. John Senior had met Lizzie at a funeral of his own father earlier. That same year. So John Juniors now nine after this marriage his sister audrey and husband Fred move out. Get a place you too few blocks away a place actually right next to the family. Grocery store initially Dylan's. You're not happy about all this. He was jealous disliked to step mom but reportedly he eventually came to love her. And more weird rumors here almost every article or like list verse. Type thing about John Dillinger. There are unsubstantiated rumors in so many sources that John would go out. Go on to have a three year love affair with step. Mom I don't believe these for a second. No legitimate. Biographer gives any credence to this lizzy thirty two. When she married John Senior would have three children with Amazon and two daughters half brother. Half sister to Dillinger Baby Hubert born in nineteen thirteen sister. Doris born in one thousand nine seventeen brother Francis born nineteen twenty two and again nothing credible suggests he had a love affair with his step mom and I honestly think that this nonsense is tied to the midst of his huge painless. You know this. This mythology of his dick was so big that no one could resist it. Not even step. Mom's he was rumored to have sex with all kinds of women and almost all the rumors seem to be non sets so weird and you know what I I understand it more than I care to to be totally honest. I won't confirm it. I will not public publicly. Measure it. I'M NOT GONNA call the people at the Guinness Book of World Records. But I do have a sixty seven inch penis and that's limp sixty seven inches limp. I've been rumored to have sex with to have to have had sex. Excuse me with some between to get worked up talking about this because I get so tired of all the fucking questions. But there's rumors of out there about me having sex with somewhere between two and three million women's fucking bullshit. Gosh Dang now known had sex with two to three million women. I had sex with before I remember wife. Three hundred thousand women tops and only got two that crazy number because for several years. I would have sex with no less than ten women. At a time I give ladies arrived on the Commons express us. That's what I call it. You know after I get undressed. I'd say all in one woman would just sit on the tip. Which is the size of above average fellows entire penis in the nine to fifteen other women would sit on top of the shaft kind of like people sitting in a row in a log you know and once the woman at the end was done she would scoot off and I would say next. Stop Lucy all whatever that woman's name is all of the next one would enjoy the tip going like that over and over when everyone was done. I it's kind of funny. I used to like to say we've arrived at our last stop for the evening. I hope you all enjoyed your ride on the comments expressed. Now get out so you these days you to sling it up and over my shoulder rubber tied up and go about my day. No big jobs any any. Nothing about my sixty-seven peanuts back. To dillinger's childhood shortly after John Turned ten in nineteen thirteen. He started running stupid. But I imagine someone listening to this. Who has no sense of absurdity like a really straight laced person who just wants the facts and doesn't get humor and their dislike this list? No that'd be like not get the fuck outta no way come on. There's noth- never happened in research and sixty seventh pain one shortly after John. Turn ten in nineteen thirteen. He started running away from home. Although he wouldn't claim to be angry at his father. A step mom. He did start getting into a lot of trouble. Why who knows? Some people just have more rebellious nature than others. Maybe he felt like an outsider at home where he was the only child born to his mom who died. Maybe he was angry at the world. Maybe from an early age seemed to joy raising hell was just in its nature on the nature versus nurture. You know spectrum He wants talks some other kids from the neighborhood into getting a rope and tied to a neighbor's fence and the other end to a STOP STREETCAR WHEN THE STREETCAR TOOK OFF. It of course destroyed his neighbor's fence and the flowerbed right behind it. He got caught by his dad who reportedly told him a according to interview years later. What if I did record roses? That'll bachelor's mean anyhow John Senior whooped his sons ask for that answer. He said a yanked him into the kitchen licked him. I turn them across many in weld away to my hands stung. But he didn't cry he just got up and glared at me and he stomped out. All wasn't a mad anymore. I was sick and afraid that my boy would go wrong tough. Little Bastard reminds me of my daughter in row. I could see her having that reaction. I tried giving her a spanking now and did things like this often. He was he was like he was a very mischievous Dennis. The menace type kid maybe a little maybe a little meaner teacher Johnson Grade School Elizabeth. Amirah would later say the future bank robber. John Never stole from her in class. Although many other kids did she said that He never cared much about his lessons Unless they were mechanical and he did get in trouble for that but she's she said he wasn't a bad kid. She said he was a prankster. And that she found his pranks quite amusing and creative. I like miss a girl. John went to school with violet. Lively remembered him differently though saying years later the John Scared her. She said he sneered instead of smiled he he was a bully said he and her brother used to get into fights and you know. John would beat her brother's ass. Said you know you beat up her brother numerous times and bad enough that her mom visited. John Senior told him that she was going to pursue criminal charges. If young dillinger. Um You know beat her son up again. And supposedly. Dillinger's Dad told her Mrs lively if you think that will do any good go right ahead for. I have tried everything. He was that kid. John's former Sunday school teacher woman named Ella. Ellsbury thought John was mischievous but polite. She remembered him causing trouble to other boys but that he also always tipped his hat to her. I love that yeah sure I mean. He's you know he's you know it's causing trouble. But he tipped his hat to me. He's good The older he got the more trouble he causes he grew into a teenager. He got into more fights. Committed various petty crimes sorta stayed out all night at parties He wants crashed and unattended switch. Engine into a line of coal cars just for a laugh. Just funny I kind of love this kind of love young villager. I'm not gonNA argue. He also stole whiskey from an unattended. Boxcar allegedly got his. Got a bunch girl's drunk and You know started showing up to school drunk. So he's he's fooling around causing all kinds of may have even got a childhood gain gather. He dubbed the dirty dozen and they would tear Jesus Christ. They would terrorize younger children. Vandalize and steal here in the nicknamed Jack Rabbit. Later for how spry he was. How Nimble he would evade police dillinger was apparently also pretty decent baseball player solid second baseman shortstop. Something that's a lot about his youth. Their one thousand. Nineteen prohibition begins the Eighteenth Amendment is ratified by thirty six states making it illegal to produce transport or sell alcohol this unleashes the black market organized crime floodgates in an era of lawlessness and this climate would soon provide the perfect climate for John to begin his criminal career in earnest drops out of high school the same year against Dad's advice at age sixteen begins working in a factory. Making plywood is considered a hard worker. But he doesn't stay long. It's better job as a runner for Indianapolis border. Trade doesn't stay long they're either. It's a better job again right. It's twenty and a lot of jobs. get jobs mechanic at a machine shop south of Indianapolis James P. Burcham Reliance Specialty Company. He'd worked here off and on for four years he bounce out for a while and come back and work for a while You know he was a sporadic worker but he was really good mechanically and so even though he wasn't reliable they kept hiring back in one thousand nine hundred seventeen is father decides to sell the grocery store and move the family to a sixty two acre farm just outside of his wife's hometown for eight of eighteen hundred people almost exactly twenty miles from downtown Indie. He hopes this move would help his son keep from getting into further. Trouble does not John. Senior and diligent. Step Mom lizzy also get reacquainted with Lizzie. Childhood faith and start regularly attending a quaker church in Mooresville. Get much more. Religious diligent doesn't care for any of this as it is like all the churchgoing doesn't like the the the move to the country like city. He does start going hunting in the woods on a regular basis and gets reputation for being a really good shot handy with firearms will help him. Later it'll serve him well in his criminal. Career also plays decent amount of baseball for the MOORESVILLE Athletic Club. He gets motorcycle gets car. A Chevy quickly gets a speeding ticket. Race in Indianapolis gets known Trevon Real Heavy foot driving into town in and out of town often both for work at the machine shop and visit friends visit his sister. Audrey Audrey daughter daughter Mary his niece who has nine when John was sixteen remembers him being a fantastic uncle. She'd later say he was generous to a fault and had a fantastic smile. They play catch with the baseball. He'd buy her bubble gum hang out. Nineteen twenty three twenty twenty year old dylan becomes obsessed with reading books about old. West outlaw former sucks subject Jesse James and the James Younger Gang. A friend dillinger. At the time. Dilbert Hobson said dillinger loved tales of James Courage Daring while he was also chivalrous to women and children he said that Dylan would later try to emulate that in his own criminal career. Dilger also started dressing like the gangsters of his day. Tilton his hat off to one side walking with the swagger friends notice he starts to talk tough taking on air. Being a bit of a hoodlum also falls in love in Nineteen twenty-three Francis Marguerite Thornton the eighteen year old beautiful stepdaughter of his uncle. Technically his first cousin but but his first step cousin and the time when that weird at all he courted her for a great deal nineteen twenty-three they wanted to get married. But both Dillinger's dad and Francis father were against it they wanted John Junior to grow up a bit I get a little more established. Get a decent steady job. Hold it for a while. He seemed to wild. To get married. Dillinger disagreed you know of course Pushes harder to get married and then Francis Father Outright forbids it you will not marry. My daughter Dillinger pissed breaks up with Francis over this and then in an act of careless anger on a warm July ninety puts a revolver in his pocket steals and Overland Sedan and Mooresville drives it into downtown indie parks it on the circle beneath the soldiers and sailors monument around midnight. So it's walking around looking for God knows what looking for trouble with the pistol miss pocket to police officers? Think he's up to no good there on patrol you start talking to him. He tells amy driven Mooresville. They noticed that there's a gun this pocket right. So they're like now you're gonNA come in for further question. They start to walk into a local police station. He slips away starts running the end up firing seven shots at him as he runs away he runs until he makes. Barney hides inside that night while hiding size is GonNa join the Navy to get a town in case they him. That stolen car next morning gets up. Makes his way to the federal building in Indie signs up the recruiters lift him is Five seven hundred and fifty five pounds brown hair. Blue Eyes Ruddy Complexion Twenty twenty great hearing thirty five inch chest expands to thirty eight forty seven inch Dick limp. That could expand to one hundred twenty eight inches For so they decided to use them as a weapon in the war. Now I had a pretty average build he shipped out almost immediately make it makes it to the Great Lakes training station. Four days later after leading the sister no he joined the navy you know. She's she lays the word of the rest of his family. He completes basic training over fourth and then he's posted on off the east coast on the now famous. Us Utah a ship that was sunk during the nineteen forty one Pearl Harbor Tax and he spent his time and he didn't enjoys time. He spent his time on board shoveling coal into the ship's huge boilers after twenty. Two days of nonstop hot hard labor. He jumped ship in Boston. And he uses his His Dick as a propeller of sorts. And he just he was Who's really swimming? Spends it and zips him right on an inshore no but he jumped ship in Boston and he goes awol. He comes back just a day. He's punished with eighteen dollar fine almost a month pay the time. He sent to the bridge for ten days where he's only given bread to eat water to drink when he doesn't report properly for this punishment. He has five days of solitary confinement. Attitudes Sense pisses him off a little more. And then after he gets back out of this he could send back to shoveling coal and he gets really fucking pissed and now he goes awol for real after just a few weeks he just fucking bounces never comes back he leaves December Fourth Nineteen twenty-three and they list him as a deserter and they put a fifty dollar bounty on his head and they never catch him this and no one knows what he did for the next three months he just Rove's the countryside for the next three months in March of nineteen twenty four he resurfaces in Mooresville where he tells everyone in the B. He'd been honorably discharged from the Navy didn't work out but I had a great time And then he returns. You know After returns to Mooresville Czar. He also meets seventeen year old barrel. Ethel Hovis and apparently they hit shit off quick. Whatever she had he really wanted because they get married. Roughly three weeks after I lane is on one another Kahlo Safina on April twelfth. They married Martinsville Little Town. Fifty miles south of mooresville birthplace of legendary country singer. Bobby Helms you love Bobby Helms. Have you ever heard of Bobby Helms? No I sure. Think about it bobby. Helms bet you have bobby. Helms is the guy who wrote and recorded Jingle Bell Rock in one thousand nine hundred seven Jingle Bells Jingle Bell Jingle Bell Rock Jingle Bells Swing and Jingle Bells Ring Snow Win and blow in Bushels of fun now the jingle hop has begun. Fuck yeah pro. You fucking know that Song you've heard it. It makes you Christmas happy. Oh sorry that is a classic though Dylan attempted to settle down and with no job or income. The young newlyweds moved into. Dillinger's father's farmhouse within a FEW WEEKS OF HIS WEDDING. He's arrested for stealing several chickens. Criminal exploits start. You know they start low. Those fathers able to work at a deal to keep the case out of court. You know sued things over with chicken. Farmer does little to help relationship with his father. Dillinger and barrel move out of the cramped bedroom into barrels parents. Home in Martinsville Indiana. Its job there an upholstery shop. He doesn't keep very long soon after that. The the couple moves into a little apartment. Just outside Martinsville's town square. He has typically difficulty holding down a steady job folks. Mary's life he's always out of the bars hanging out. Doing God knows what weird weird to getting married three weeks after meeting. Someone might be the greatest decision you could make in Martinsville you also joined a local baseball team called the athletics and John and his wife. Beryl become good friends with another baseball team. Player named William Edgar Singleton team member who also umpire for the team on occasions. This ed singleton character would become John's first partner in crime and just a few months later the two would begin. Plotting a robbery. That would not work out well on any level and May of nineteen twenty four J. Edgar Hoover was appointed actor Acting Director of the bureau investigation. His appointment become permanent. January twenty five Dylan. Here doesn't likely no or if he does know he liked. It doesn't give two shits about hoover but he will down the road. September twenty four still without a job diligent tries to make some fast fast cash with new baseball. Buddy Ed singleton tells you about a local grocer back in Mooresville who's going to be carrying out his daily receipts carrying out his money. As Way from work to a barbershop. Singleton things that dillinger can easily rob the elderly grocer for the cash. You know. We'll singleton wakes for him in a in a getaway car down the street and they both decide to go through with it. You'RE GONNA try and take this guy's money. In broad daylight. John may have already burglarized to area. Gas Stations By this time he was suspected of doing so but never caught never admitted to those crimes and this chromosome so dumb so dumb. Mooresville has less than two thousand people. At this time dillinger lived in for quite some time. His Dad and step family lived there. Everybody knows who they are. He lives just fifteen miles away in a town of around. Five thousand people were singled and lives. Everybody knows who he is. People are going to know who the fuck these guys are. Why would anyone lived in a small town? Try to rob someone else in that small town like. They're not even wearing masks so of course. A crime doesn't go. Well dillinger on with a thirty caliber pistol and large bolt wrapped in a handkerchief. Sneaks up on this guy's poor. Elderly Grocer BOPs him in the head with the bolt. He was hoping knock him out. He doesn't come close and the old guys from the Estonian fights back and I'm sure he's like why the fuck is John. Hit me in the head with his bolt ensuing chaos. John's pistol accidentally goes off. Dylan's your thinks he'd shot the grocery takes off running without the money. Runs down the street to meet SINGLETON's getaway car sing freaked out. He'd gotten spooked and he just drove off. Just left him there so then. Dillinger's just walking around town you know until police track him down would like hey dude whitehill Larry on the head. Why why did you know try and do that? You dip shit. We take you down the station now. Man and this is one account of this early failed. Robert There's another slight variation other accounts story say the Dylan singled an attempt to robbery together and the recognized by a local pastor in the middle of the crime. He was like John. Ed What are You Doing? Just turns them into the police again so dumb in a small town where everybody knows your hands in the air. Grandpa no sudden moves now real slow having that cabbage John John. What in the hell are you doing? Sean? It that's going to be furious ED and Singleton from Israel. I just watched you call that baseball game last Saturday. You strikes were a little loosey. Goosey how you doing like local. Prosecutor convinces dillinger's father that if his son pleads guilty in court makes it easy on him that the court will be lenient. Since he'd never been convicted of a major crime thinking that he will just get a slap. On the wrist dillinger. Junior appears in court with no lawyer without his father and gets a lot more than a slap on the wrist. He's convicted of assault and battery with intent to rob and the judge sentenced him to ten to twenty years in prison. So He's getting sent to the big house. The Indiana state reformatory. Despite this being his first conviction singleton. Who already had a prison record was only sense to four years because he actually went to Came to court with lawyer. Poor ed he and diligent never team up again. Edward die a short time after getting out of prison just a few years later after pass now drunk on a railroad track. And that's how you know you've had way too much to drink when the rumble in noise doesn't wake you up after you pass out on the tracks. Unfortunately once you learn that lesson You're super duper densely. I I don't know what I I have a little trick when I'm crossing a railroad if I've had anything to drink I do is I. I use my Dick like a lasso and I just I swing out to a nearby tree swing over the tracks using my penis rope. You know but I but I know. I know everyone can do that. So I shouldn't have even brought that up so timber. Sixteenth nineteen twenty. Four John Herber dillinger. Man with peanut bone size arrives at the Indiana state. Reformatory in Pendleton little town. Thirty five miles northeast of Indiana. A town of under fifteen hundred people to hometown of Dick Dickie. Dickie was think about it. Are you sure? Dicky's are real name. Dicky drafted in the NBA Nineteen fifty. He played one season for the Celtics one season for the Boston. Celtics average two point eight points a game as a point guard never played again and I don't know much about him other than he really truly was named Dick dickey. Right last name Dicky I am Richard when by. Dick died in two thousand six in Indianapolis at the age of seventy nine with the fuck parents thinking I did. I did a little bit. Etymology research on the word Dick Dick Heavy section of the show. started being used. That term is a slang for penis in eighteen. Eighty was originally a military slang for penis originated. Some barracks eighteen eighty. That's when they first shows up on the written page he's born in Nineteen Twenty six so they knew they fucking new for over sixty years of his adult life. He was here and stuff like Dickie Party of one. I'm assuming he was alone at the time dickey party Dickie Dickie your tables ready for Four Seasons of college ball at North Carolina state allowances in Raleigh. We're saying stuff like make some noise for the wolfpack. Starting Point Guard. Dick Dick give it up for deck go dicky too ludicrous name. His parents are idiots. Anyways we're here to talk about Dick Digging or talk about John. Dillinger September Sixteenth Nineteen Twenty four twenty one years old. He's just serving ten to twenty year presents and he's pissed he's pissed about the whole situation. He's a difficult prisoner right off. The rip in served much of his time shortly after arriving in solitary confinement when he's not in solitary he's training to become a criminal. Early in his incarceration. This is when he supposedly said I will be the meanest bastard you ever saw. When I get out of here it would necessarily be the meanest but he would he would raise a Lotta Hell. You would cause him. You'd be a menace While in prison he played on a prison baseball team. He worked at the prison shirt. Factory account say he was a good worker routinely finishing his Co. too quickly and then worked fulfilled quotas of other workers. He had a charming personality. Made him popular amongst inmates wasn't really popular amongst guards. He also a hate authority. Didn't like being told what to do. He tried to escape a number of times. He also ended up befriending. A number of hardened criminals who would become his crime gurus at first. Dillinger'S YOUNG WIFE. Beryl just eighteen wrote and visited him frequently after a while though she became weary of the distance between her and her husband. Of course she did. She'd only known him for three weeks before they got married and they were married for less than five months when he got arrested and now he might not get out until she's going to be in her late thirties. Nope that's it doesn't even work out in the movies. She soon begins visiting and writing frequently by she does stay with him to some degree for the first five years of imprisonment finally on June. Twenty One thousand twenty nine barrel. Deci decided to officially divorce him. I'm guessing she'd been messed around the side Before that I mean and I wouldn't blame her just two days before his twenty sixth birthday. He's devastated. I feel like he was probably the one the only person who didn't see that coming she'd married to additional times and she would live until the ripe old age of eighty-seven July Fifth Nineteen twenty nine. After lose his wife and angry dillinger is sent to the Indiana State Prison in Michigan city to live among more hardened criminals and he has sent there upon his own request Michigan city birthplace. Don Larsen Dude. Who pitched a perfect game for the Yankees in game? Five of the world series to clinch series victory over the Brooklyn dodgers. That guy passed away just a few months ago on January first just a few miles north of the Suck Dungeon in Hayden Idaho anyways. Authorities scratched their heads as to. Why diller would want to be transferred to a more strict more violent prison. When asked why he wanted to make the move. He said he wanted to play for a better baseball team. That a better baseball team in Indiana state prison. It was bullshit. He did not end up joining the prison baseball team there instead. He teamed up with a friend of his couple friends. Harry pierpoint Pierpont and Homer van meter. Who We'd met incarcerated in Pendleton? They'd been transferred up there a few months prior they were each career criminals with no intention of letting prison reform them. They were planning a jailbreak and several bank robberies for When they got out of jail make some real money. They introduced John Walter. Dietrich A SEASON BANK ROBBER. Who'd worked with one of the most notorious bank robbers of that time? Herman Lamm and Dietrich taught these men. Meticulous methods used by lamb to pull off many successful. Heists lamb was known for doing detailed research before hitting the bank. He learned the bank layout the location of the valuables. The movement of the guards of the workers were the nearest police station was etc etc he wasn't just barging with a gun demanding money. He was a student of the game. Fucked up game to be sure especially in the days when I said you know Earlier that you know banks weren't guaranteed and these guys were stealing from the customers. But you know he did take his craft seriously. Pierpont and van meter had the knowledge and the plans in place for some big robberies but they still needed to. Actually you know. Get a jail to go ahead with their perfectly crafted robberies to do that the need man on the outside outfit them with guns money the bankroll to escape. John had a significantly smaller sentence in France and was going to be getting out much earlier than them. Pierpont van meter wanted him to be that man. You break out. We'll make you a lot of money. Kid John was all about it despite his first high school in very wrong he wanted to double down on his choice to be a a bank robber to you know to rob be criminal. He was committed to being a gangster once he got out of prison. His new pals inform him of reliable encompasses and safe houses on the outside. They give them a list of banks and stores. That would be great places to rob a few months after transferring Indiana state prison in late October. Twenty nine the stock market crashes. The Great Depression begins the following. Spring April twenty fourth nineteen the first list of public enemies published by the SOKAIA Chicago Crime Commission alka pounds in first place. Soon John Dillinger will top. The list of America's most wanted men also in April Hollywood's version against her life captivates nation in the first of many depression. Era CRIME MOVIES LITTLE. Caesar three and a half years later March tenth. Nineteen thirty-three dillinger after receiving a master's degree in the Indiana State Prison in Michigan City is paroled. When he leaves one of the few possessions he leaves prison with is a map supplied by his fellow inmates of perspective robbery sites and Nice leave in prison with the mind on crime. Kinda messes up the whole point of in prison. Dad couldn't reform him when he was a kid. The state can't for him now is a man. He'd served nine and a half years of a sentence and then he walks out into a different world. I can't imagine that he's a few months at thirty now. He's walked out into the world of the Great Depression. This is a dude who had a hard time keep steady work during the roaring twenties when everyone could get a job and now he's an ex con without much of a resume walking into the hardest economy the US has ever seen. He immediately of course turns out he was going to do anyway. That gives you an even more incentive. Just a few weeks after his release he commits robbery. It's right to it. He committed his crime with a small time gang of hoodlums in Indianapolis known as the White Cap gang the whitecaps he gets a long barreled. Colt thirty to twenty revolver also known as an army special he and two other men Rob City Foods all night grocery store Andi at four six zero nine east tenth after almost getting caught stealing together with cars. They needed to pull this off with when. Dylan's your Nineteen Year Old William. The Kid Shaw Walk into this little shop grocery store a clerk spots the long barrel of the Colt Pocono diligence pocket. She screams shaw. Grab some money out of the cash register while John. Wade's revolve around telling everyone to go to the back of the store. An elderly man refuses to move takes the butt of his revolver. Bashes the dude in the mouth hit him? The jaw hard enough to knock out several teeth. This is second man. He's bashed in the head now. I Frank Morgan. I don't think his name odor that grocer who got sent. You got sent to prison for trying to rob him back in Mooresville. Now this guy and this is a dude who become a Robin Hood type National Hero. A Guy who likes to Bash Oldman in there with a with various blunt instruments. The fact that people were killed during his later hold ups would be overlooked. Moments like this would be overlooked. Instead the national press would play him up brilliant daring likeable individual beaten the banks which had inhumanely foreclosed mortgage on helpless debtors. Because that's the story that you know. Readers wanted to hear that time These guys did all this to make less than a hundred bucks. Total this robbery. Dylan's you got thirty bucks out of the deal. After splitting money with Shaw in the getaway driver. A few days later dillinger. In the kid shaw team up again the team up with a new getaway driver. They hit hag drugstore. Five six forty eight Eastwood Washington dillinger and Shaw. Walk in time with the guns already out yelling for everyone. Who isn't the cashier to get to the corner? Now look at them. Make one hundred bucks total again and these guys were not very good at this stuff yet with this robbery. Shaw got really pissed at some of the people who were putting the corner for looking at him because he kept telling them to turn around and then he'd go back trying to get some money in the cashier and you look around and be like back facing him and then he almost shots him. He was turned around. He finally realizes that he's yelling. Turn around they would turn around one way and then dillinger is also yelling. Turn around and they would turn back around. They're fucking spinning around in circles. Trying to listen to both fucking idiots a few days later they hit a Kroger Kroger. Grocery store thirty-five Twelve North College Street Kroger Grocery Stores Man. They've been around since eighteen. Eighty three the only make a couple bucks this time. Because Shah's white kaffirs had already robbed a store just a few days before and and you know now. Money collectors are coming a few times a day to take the cash to a safe. And dillinger's pissed he'd ask them sure he hadn't rob this place. No no no then the Roberts. Oh Yeah I guess we did a few days ago. I sorry. I forgot John's getting sick. Small time a little hits on June. Twenty second nineteen thirty-three dillinger's thirtieth birthday. He showed go to case of bank. He wants to hit a bank but Boarded up this bank was victim degrade depression. So they're like shit okay so the fruit market instead on tenth and Belton then they hit eaten sandwich shop at six forty two east maple road popular bustling place and it makes three hundred forty bucks their biggest haul to date the very next day shaggy married. He's doing this day before it gets married now. He's never take a break from a small time. Stick to go on his honeymoon. Dillinger takes off some other ex-cons to see the nineteen thirty-three world's fair in Chicago. He's got a little bit of spending money now. He buys himself a new suit. Looks old gangster up. Get some shiny shoes. He meets several other guys who served for Bank robberies on the road trip. One Man White. Whitey molar had just beaten a life sentence. He'd been given for shooting and killing a police officer by. Check this out. This is a pretty innovative escape attempt or not attempt He did escape. He was started drinking shellac where he was working. In the Indian State Prison SHELLAC would glaze made from resin created by the female lack bug on trees and Thailand and India and he found out that drinking SHELLAC would turn his skin yellow and he tricks the doctors in this prison into making them think he has to close. He's a longer so they sent him to a very lightly guarded sanitarium near Fort Wayne Indiana and he just stops during his SHELLAC as we feels great and then he just walks the fuck out like who didn't escape from prison back then molar. Dillinger's several others believed to arrived a number of places on this road trip Which places nobody knows for sure but dillinger came back to India with enough cash to buy? Chevy dillinger's gang continued to rob all kinds of places throughout the summer of Nineteen thirty-three during one hold up at the bide-a-wee in Roadhouse on Burlington Driving Twelfth Street in Muncie Indiana dillinger again uses the butt of his revolver to smash another dude in the jaw young dude. This time doesn't lose any teeth on either June. June twenty-first different sources list the dates. Dillinger's successfully robs the first bank new Carlisle Ohio. He takes ten thousand six hundred dollars accompanied by two identified men the Dayton Daily News reported. The bandits snuck into the bank at some point during the night ambush the first person to arrive to work the next morning clerk. Horse Gristle. Dillinger's crew bound Any Bank staff up that enter the building. While they're waiting to access the vault shortly after that Dylan to rob another bank commercial bank in Dale's will Indiana walks in by himself. This time little town of around a thousand people fifty miles northeast of Indianapolis eleven miles. Southwest of Muncie. When the teller tells him she doesn't have the key to open the door between the lobby and banks caged working area dillinger quickly and gracefully springs over the six foot barrier. This little move earns him his first nickname in the press. This is when he starts getting called a Jack Rabbit not known how much he got something around thirty five hundred dollars. The teller said he scoops several handfuls of cash into a sack. He took a valuable coin collection and three diamond. Rings belong to the daughter of another cashier. Another Taylor who dropped him off earlier when she went to play tennis. So that would be safe. That sucks when dealing Gets BACK TO INDIA HE FINDS OUT. I Rory Partner William the Kid Shaw isn't going to be a partner anymore. He's been arrested for some of their earlier robberies and gets a ten year prison sentence. This arrest does not deter dillinger from committing more robberies one bit. He's got a taste for it now. He wants to put together a more experienced gang to pull off bigger heist whereas you've got to save up enough money to break out those dudes from prison earlier. They're going to get him to big jobs. So with a variety of dirtbags he robs more banks across India is a summer of thirty three continues in one hold up. In a moment of anger he pulls the trigger on a teller mrax. The gun jams so he always tries to kill somebody. This summer are trying to kill. Somebody almost kills him. He also gets a better robin banks. Throughout the summer. He doesn't just always barging in demand money he starts doing stuff like pretending to be a sales representative for a company. That sells bank alarm systems. He reportedly entered a number of Indiana and Ohio banks and use this ruse to access their security systems in bank vaults You know the case amount. Before he robbed him later another time he and the crew. He's with pretend to be part of a film company scouting locations for a Bank. Robbery scene bystanders. Stand in smile as a real robbery ensues and they really take the loot stories like this increases growing legend on July twenty six before the press knows that the Jack Rabbit is John Dillinger. He returns home to Mooresville to visit his dad. And here's that his parole officer Frank. Hope plans to have him arrested for a variety of parole violations. Hope Order Surveillance. John's sister Audrey is home. Indian other locations on August fourth. John Robs the MOP National Bank. In Montpellier Indiana for sixty seven hundred bucks doesn't care these on a parole violation. You know a few days later. Dillinger's tied to a number of bank robberies by X. Pinkerton detective foresee Huntington. Who's been working for a Security Association working for a variety of Indiana banks? He interviews a number of men associated with dillinger including William the Kid Shaw and now the Jack Rabbit is known to be John Dillinger. And now John Dillinger is one of Indiana's most wanted men on August tenth. Hoover's Bureau of Investigation has expanded renamed division of Investigation also on the Tenth Indiana State. Police put an all points bulletin. All points bulletin. Looking John Dillon Jar and a few associates right. They're looking for this guy specifically now four days later. Ten days after the Montvale your heist dillinger. In some of his crew robbed the bluffed and bank and Bluff in Ohio for six grant. Police in Ohio are now looking for John Dillinger. Three weeks later September. Six Massachusetts Avenue. Bank in Indianapolis Dillinger makes off with twenty one thousand. He's getting some. You know bigger bigger jobs now. He has enough money now to break out some of his friends from the Indiana state. Prison those guys who taught him how to rob banks real money homer van meter had already been released in. May that year so he doesn't have to break him out but he wants to break out. Here Harry Pierpont and a few other members of Harry's gang. He wants to put together a Dream Team of bank robbers and take things and thinking about how insane this planet. He's robbing banks to save up enough money to bust a bunch of people out of prison to rob bigger banks just to even have the balls to try to pull that off. You know he wants take things further and he's already taking things pretty damn for by the end of the summer of thirty three dillinger becoming pretty famous teenage boys are starting to Rob Rob banks more. Theatrical manner posing his alarm system reflects you know film crews like I said you know the beginning to gain reputation as as law enforcement agents. Try to catch them and start making you guys look. Pretty Nasty. They dress well. The media plays them up as daring depression. Heroes the public eats this shit up then on September twenty second. John's criminal career almost comes to a halt. This next sequence of events is so nuts to me he gets arrested on September. Twenty six In connection with the bluffed and robbery and Ohio the committed on August fourteenth because the police was eva tip about his whereabouts from the landlady of an old girlfriend. The he'd recently visited in Dayton Ohio. He's jailed in Lima Ohio where he sent to the Allen County jail to await trial after search him before led him into the prison. The police discover document that appears to be a prison escape plan. He won't tell them what it's about. Luckily for dillinger just before being arrested he had helped put a plan in motion for the escape of Pierpont and Pierpont Other gang members you know six including seven other guys. He'd previously met in prison most of whom who worked in the prison laundry back in Indiana. He put that put that plan emotion. Jon newsome of his money from the bank is to buy weapons and bribe key figures at the Indiana prison just days. Before he's arrested in Ohio he smuggled seven forty five caliber pistols into the prison in a barrel of thread meant for the onsite shirt factory then four days after he gets arrested in Ohio on September. Twenty six being loyal to the guys he'd met in prison previously pays off big time. They do escape Harry Pierpont Russell. Clark tell the shirt factory Superintendent George Stevens. He was needed in the basement. They get him down there. He's jumped by the rest of the gang and taken hostage Walter. Dietrich then goes and finds Deputy Superintendent Albert e Evans claims. He's needed to help. Break up a fight in the factory basement Evans also jumped by the gang becomes their second hostage. Pierpont had been harshly disciplined by Evans and his State to prison. Hughes's opportunity to get some shots in him. He has to actually be pulled off before he goes too far and ends up killing the guy you know and fuck up their plans for escape. Form and Dudley. Triplett happens to be heading to the basement for supplies. Although this is not part of the original plan he's taken hostage. Another three the men make Stevens lead the way through the prison. They conceal their guns under stacks. Shirts slowly make their way through the rest of the guards and prisoners. Don't even seem to notice what's going on. There's four gates between these guys in their freedom at the first gate. Stevens tells the guard. Frank Swanson to let this party through or they will kill him right. They got. Guns Swan becomes another hostage. The gang goes through the second gate in the same manner more threats of violent death at the third gate they use a metal shaft. They'd taken from the factories of battering Ram. Open the door themselves guard Fred. Wellness is then badly beaten until another guard. Guy Burke low opens the outer final gate of the prison. The men their hostages are now in the lobby. The prisons administration building their gang herds. Eight prison workers into the prison volts. Joe Burns one of the people escaping shoots seventy two year old prisoner employee. Finley Carson twice for not moving fast enough at that moment hearing the gunshots. The warden Lewis e concl- comes into the lobby. He's made to join the rest of the workers in the vaults he's locked in there and then the game. Just walk out the front door. Just fucking leave this. This is like a maximum security prison walls. Difficult to know one hundred percent who exactly escaped his likely thought that it was Harry. Pierpont Charles Make Lee Russell Clark. Edward Schaus John Red Hamilton Walter Dietrich James Oklahoma Jack Clark Joseph Fox Joe Burns and Jim Jenkins these men. Along with Harry Copeland would soon become known as the first dillinger gang after walking out the front of the Prison Dietrich James Clark Fox and Burns went one way. The immediately run into Sheriff Charles. Neale who had just performed a prison intake in the administration building. The men overpower him steal his weapons. Take him hostage forcing to drive them away from the prison. They abandoned the sheriff's car near Wheeler Indiana steal another vehicle. That a tire so now. They're on foot lost. In a dense forest. Eventually group begins to US either hostage. Sheriff Neil is liability is a burden. They fight over what to do with him. James Clark also becoming a burden complaining about stomach problems Neil and Clark split off from the group Clark Releases Neal and Gary Indiana and the lawmen immediately has Clark and sent back to prison. Guess he should've shut the fuck up by stomach when you break it out of prison. No one wants to hear wanted about a tummy ache. Pierpont Clark had Schaus John Hamilton. Charles make the Jim Jenkins they all go another direction. They escape They had some help from the outside. They go to a gang accomplice. Mary Kinder's house. She agreed to help them and find a safe house and obey the law if they would include her brother in escape plan. They weren't able to do that he was. He was in the infirmary. At the time of the escape had to be abandoned but when these dangerous men show but are house dogs she can tell them like well fucking deals off so kinder- follows through on her promise. Health DEMAND SETS THEM UP WITH NEW CLOTHES and hide out in Hamilton Ohio. Unfortunately for Jenkins while on the way to the safe house and Hamilton Men have to evade the police during the chase car door swings open. He's inside of and he falls the fuck out in the rest of the main. Can't risk going back for him. So he's he's killed by police at night. Pierpont Xiao's Clark Hamilton medically do get safely to Ohio where they use the hideout Hamilton as well as Pierpont parents house to plan another jailbreak. They want to return the favor for John. How fucking crazy is this? The guys just committed a daring armed escaped from prison. People are shot right taking hostages in the first crime. They plan is to immediately break into another jail. Honor Amongst Thieves Classic Honor Amongst Thieves October Twelfth. Just twenty days after. Dillinger's got arrested pierpont Clark arrived in Lima to free him from jail they meet was sheriff. Jess Sauber. Shariff Auburn is family. Live in a house on the same grounds as the jail. He along with his wife and deputy will sharp just finished dinner. Pierpont McLean Clark. Come in disguise claiming to be police officers needing to transfer dillinger back to Indiana state. Prison to fucking balls and these guys when sheriffs are asked these guys for some credentials. Pierpont just shoots. His Gun. Shoots shoots the sheriff Then they beat him unconscious they take the keys. They'll undersell locked the deputy in the sheriff's wife and the basements and then escape and sheriff Dies wounds about two hours later. The four men busted out dillinger escape to Chicago where the joined the rest of the gang. They fucking did it. They escape from prison and busted out from jail and made it to Chicago to rendezvous with other gang members now they need major firepower to commit to Kinda robbers. They have in mind so now they decide to raid rob a police arsenal to get those supplies. Turns out it was poorly guarded. And it was easily taken over by dillinger and his crew they raid the arsenal and they make off with multiple guns tons of AMMO and bulletproof vests. These guys are not fucking around stills like a movie these guys don't give a fuck about taking on the police this arm you know armed up now. Now they're going to go on a huge crime spree. They get right to work. In the Dillinger Gang Robs Central National Bank and Trust Company in Greencastle Indiana. They take almost seventy five thousand dollars a month later November twentieth. Hit The American Bank and Trust Co. and Racine Wisconsin for almost thirty thousand now becoming truly infamous becoming super popular among the American people right. They're making all kinds of national headlines. The press all kinds of reports and these guys they. They're always wearing suits in for doors to the robberies. They're generally gracious to the banks. Customers and workers no drug or alcohol. Use is permitted during the planning or carrying out of any robbery leaving less room for error. Like they're giving interviews discreetly depressed members of the Split Evenly. The plan highs meticulously these. These guys are dirtbags but also consummate professionals. They start keeping business hours. Go Plan fucking bank robbery nine five then you know. They have like lunch. Breaks Shit John. Dillinger's name even gets to be used to sell car sell cars and ads. They claim dillinger will never be caught if he continues to drive fort. Outfight that's fucked up you Badgen if someone did that. In recent history use Trojan Condoms. No other condom on the market works. Better to keep your semen out of of a China and your DNA away from crime scene. If Gary Ridgway had only used Trojan brand condoms the Green River killer would still be buried women out in the woods. It's ridiculous various law enforcement agencies become increasingly agitated by both the existence of the dillinger gang. The way they're portrayed in the press you know which leads to growing popularity December. Fifth Nineteen thirty-three prohibition repealed by the Twenty First Amendment in America's black market takes a massive hit gone are the massive bootleg liquor profits. But they're still banks to be robbed. Eight Days Letter December thirteenth. The dillinger gang hits the Unity Trust and savings bank in Chicago for almost nine grant next day Chicago. Detective Williams Shanley follow up on a tip. The dillinger's squad may have been responsible for the robbery. He approaches gang member John Hamilton Garage. Where he's having his car detailed Hamilton. Once you've figured out this guy's a detective immediately shoots and kills him these guys again. They don't give a fuck about law enforcement two days later. The Chicago Police Department. Form The dillinger squad comprised of roughly forty men led by Captain John. Stieg Melvin Purvis. Their one and only job is to find the dillinger. Gang bring them to justice for the robberies and for the murder of detective. Shanley but the dillinger gang is Lisa Kaga four days later December twentieth. Take a little vacation down to Florida. Only get away from the Colt. Diligent brings his girlfriend. Evelyn Billy for Shet. After spending Christmas and New Year's Party up in Florida the gang headsail Paso Texas where they're hoping to sneak across the border start a new crime down south but there's a highly visible police presence on the border prevents Dylan during the gang from sneaking into Mexico. They try and sneak into Mexico. Again south of Tucson they make all the way over to Arizona. Too many cops again. Pictures of John's face have been circulated everywhere right. The press is hurting them. Big Time when he comes to sneak out of the country make Pierpont and Clark decide to stay in Tucson hide out while dillinger and a few other gang members decide to head back to Chicago rob a few more banks diligent. Hamilton plan the Heist of the First National Bank in East Chicago. Indiana to get more supplies. The gang attacks stay police arsenals in Auburn and Peru. Indiana both small towns of less than ten thousand people they steal machine guns rifles revolvers morning. Munition bulletproof vest. Jesus Christ. There's too much heat on them to sneak into Mexico so they decided just to go rob more banks in an area where there's a forty fucking officer task force looking for them and on the way you know it just attacked police arsenal. Just load up January Fifteenth Nineteen thirty four. They robbed the first National Bank. I their plan during the robbery. Dillinger's confront about officer William o'malley who shoots him several times shoots dillinger doesn't matter because he's wearing a bulletproof vest doing Unharmed o'malley not. So lucky he is not wearing a bulletproof vest. Dillinger's gang shoot back shooting eight times. The gang gets way with twenty thousand dollars. And dillinger's now wanted for murder in addition to so many robberies after this heist with the cash in their Arsenal dillinger and Hamilton back to Tucson to meet up with the rest of the gang. Back in Tucson dillinger and some of his gang run into some unfortunate luck on January twenty fifth. A fire breaks out at the hotel. Congress or the men are staying forced to leave their luggage behind the has other fucking cash in it And their weapons. The rescue to the window down a fire truck ladder by firemen gang member. Charles make tips a couple of firemen twelve bucks to climb back up and get their luggage. According to the firefighters you know they get a good look at several members of dillinger's gang while they're doing this they later recognize Makelele in another member while thumbing through a copy of true detective and inform the police who promptly arrested five members of the gang including dillinger. The police find them in possession of over twenty five grand in cash. Three machineguns starting three submachine. Guns Five Machineguns. Tucson celebrates this this historic arrest to this day? They have their annual Dylan Days Festival. The highlight of which is a reenactment of the arrest. It was just celebrated This past January eighteenth and nineteenth at the Hotel Congress which is still there after their arrests extradited. Indiana's stand trial. They're held in the crown point jail. Dylan's you're charged with murder of that police officer East East Chicago. The police boast area newspapers. That this jail is escape. Proof they post extra guards to make. Sure Dillon doesn't get out a debate. Ensues between all the states where the men were wanted criminals since the gang had hit banks and Ohio Indiana Wisconsin Illinois all. These states wanted to you. Know like WanNa PC's guys so that these these three other states want want him extradited for justice in their state. Pierpont McLean Clark or sent to Ohio to stand trial for sheriff. Arbor's murder Ed. Schaus one of the escapees from Indiana state. Prison ex member of the dillinger gang testifies against Pierpont may clean Clark. His testimony helps rack up. Charges against the gang members in the end both pierpont and make a McClintock or sentenced to death. Clark's given life in prison. On January thirtieth Dillinger Lake County jail in Crown Point Indiana where reporters are captivated by his charisma and sense of humor. Dude still just thirty years old. Hasn't been out of prison for a year yet. He's been paroled on. May or he was pulled a May tenth nineteen thirty three eight months later. He's back in jail again. He'd are already spent a few weeks in jail back at the end of September. Early October. All this happening in such a small window of time Just new jail. You know doing your poses for a photo with several members of local law enforcement including prosecutor Robert E still places. His arm on eastern shoulder and that scandalous photo will eventually ruin eastern career. What the fuck. Even the prosecutor Dillinger as a celebrity first criminal second There are different accounts of what happened next but the the prison was certainly not escape. Proof on March third nineteen thirty four less than two months after being captured for. Oh so many crimes including the murder of a law enforcement officer a few months after bus none of another jail where another law enforcement officer had been murdered. John and another prisoner. Herbert Youngblood youngblood. Excuse me escape. How crazy is that after all this? They finally catch them again. They catch him again and he escapes again. One account says dillinger's crooked lawyer managed to smuggle a gun into John Cell and then he uses breakout another account says he fashioned a wooden gun out of a shelf in his cell yet. Another account claims dillinger carved gun out of either a bar soap a washboard or a potato had a black with boot. Polish of the woods story seems to be true. Seems that he He got the The would there carved wooden like shape of pistol or had snuck in but it was a wooden little gun and then used shoe Polish boot Polish. Whatever you WANNA call to make it look real and using this boot Polish gun. He tricks a garden to open his cell security. Had relaxed around the prison. After a few weeks You know after his arrival John Herbert used John's fake gun to get a real gun from that first guard. Then they use the real gun around all the other guards in the jail locked into a cell and they just leave against like a movie. Dillinger's than Steel Sheriff Lillian Holley's new Ford car embarrassing the Police Department and the town and drives back to Chicago and in doing so. He finally breaks federal law. He crosses the state line stolen car breaking the Federal National Motor Vehicle Theft. Act So odd with so many robberies jailbreaks a murder. This would be the crime that would involve federal law enforcement the crime was under the jurisdiction of the FBI. Still called the do is this point. We'll we'll call it the FBI. It's going to be called that less than a year anyway just to to be easier now hoover's. Fbi takes over the dillinger case the F. B. I. Organize organizes a nationwide. Manhunt for Dillinger. J. Edgar Hoover. The director of the bureau master of laws jumps the chance to hunt down dillinger. Can't wait to put his giant Dick Jar and set that Jarvis desk check out the cow jar guys come on hoover hates. Dillinger's popularity hates the fact that crime is being celebrated in America despite more heat than ever right after breaking out of jail dillinger heads to Mooresville visit dad at the family farm where posed for pictures holding the wooden gun and used to escape. Lake County Crown. Point jail in one hand in one thousand nine hundred ninety one Thompson machine gun on the other hand. When the press gets word that dillinger had paid his father a visit to makes front page news makes the FBI like a bunch of fucking idiots. The MASTER OF LAWS. Not Pleased at this point. A lot of John's men are in prison. Needs new gang. Some reports say that lesser baby face. Nelson Gillis actually helps dillinger escape from Crown Point in exchange for dillinger's membership in Nelson's gang others say diller went to his old Indiana state prison friend Homer van meter looking for men to outfit a new gang regardless of how it began to the most Torius Bank robbers of the Nineteen Thirties. Now working together. John dillinger's Jackrabbit psychopath baby face Nelson and it's called the second dillinger gang whether or not you know Nelson was leading it or not. It's called the second gang in the press It consists of dillinger Nelson van meter John Hamilton Dummy Carol Nettie Green this gang a far cry from the calculated meticulous. First dillinger gang second gang more violent more impulsive Nelson. We learned earlier hothead the next robberies would not go smoothly march. Six thousand nine hundred four. The new gang hits the Security's National Bank and Trust Co. in Sioux Falls South Dakota starts off all right. All the gang members are doing their jobs carols on the lookout outside the bank. Hamilton sits in the car. Ready for getaway dillinger van meter Green Nelson all enter the bank to perform her assigned duties of Nelson Tommy Carroll would later quoted as saying that guy would walk into and back on a job. He's a mental case but he would fight the devil when we were hitting the bank. Nelson saw motorcycle patrolman Hale Keith through the window and as one does. He stands up on the cashier's counter starts laughing like a maniac and just indiscriminately fires. His gun out the window. He does Hit a key several times. Keith lives but this is not the normal do under gang. Mo Nelson's mayhem on legs. The other seemed only finally weapons in self defense or to serve a purpose they take almost fifty grand from. The bank surround themselves with the hostages and bystanders on the way to gather on their car. The waiting police don't dare attempt to take out. Gang members are so close innocent civilians. The gang made five hostages stain on the card side running boards. We talked about this longtime ago and binding cliven. These guys would do this. They would create a human shield on the sides of the car. They would speed away. How much does that sucker? If you're one of those hostages one second. You're making a deposit down to local bank next second. You're hanging onto the side of a fucking car hanging on for dear life while the most notorious gang America's speeding off and shooting cups. Hold on you crumbs and take that compass we got. Today you compensate no match. These hatchet will take an cabbage will lead. One officer managed to fire off a shot. Speidel this and he shoots the car's radiator before the game drives out of sight slows down the car fumes outside of town three police cars catch up to them. But it doesn't do any good because they end up retreat in a barrage of gunfire. They're outgunned the gang then. Hijack another car drives the hostages. They still have ten miles. Further out of town released him an escape and the go right to plan in the next job just a week. After Sioux Falls Robbery March thirteenth. The gang hits the First National Bank in Mason City Iowa and once again all psychopath baby face Nelson causes some trouble. He Caroline dillinger's stationed outside the bank while the other men go into the money the Nelson Goes Berserk. He starts firing wildly in different directions for no obvious reason. He ends up hitting a bystander. Rl James and like he's again just laughing like a crazy person. He is a crazy person later. When Hamilton comes out of the bank he's enraged to see another innocent person wounded Nelson Line claims that he thought the man was an officer. Meanwhile an actual officer. Who's off duty? James Buchanan sees. What's happening at the bank? And he grabs a sawed off shotgun and takes cover nearby. He doesn't want to fire into the crowd that has gathered to watch the robbery. So he just trades insults with dillinger whose garden the bank door eventually became says something to visit. Dillinger's off and he pulls his thirty eight pistol from his pocket and fires Barely Missing Buchanan. Then Carol fires his weapon and oncoming car the quickly backs up and flees the scene coming chaotic. All this gunfire catches the attention of judge. John C Shipley. Who's working in third floor office above the bank? He appears the window to see what the Hell commotions dillinger fires on the window. Bright Worn Shipley to stay out of it. Ship goes to his desk. Gets a pistol comes back shoots dylan during the shoulder. After men flee with fifty two thousand dollars Shipley fires again hits another gang member in the shoulder Hamilton. This guy was a shoulder. Sharp suit and son of a Bitch. Nobody shoots a shoulder like judge. Shipley Shipley the shoulder shooter. Like robbery gang manages to get away. Thanks to a human shield of Hostages Dylan Jerry Hamilton. Visit a man named Dr Neil's Mortenson in the middle of the night to have their wounds attended two three days later. Herbert Youngblood youngblood. The Guy Dylan had escaped with with the wooden gun. Shot and killed by. Police import her on Michigan. Just wanted to end his story a week after the Mason City Robbery and March twentieth. Dylan's your moves into Lincoln court apartments in Saint Paul Minnesota with his girlfriend. Evelyn Billy for the couple uses alias. Aliases Mr and Mrs Carly Hillman. The Lincoln Court Landlady Daisy coffee immediately suspicious. Diligence girl immediately started throwing loud parties. Would last night frequently visited? By other suspicious people dillinger very bad lane low eventually coffee decides to let the Minnesota Branch of the Bureau Investigation the FBI. Essentially no of the odd happenings in the apartment. Lincoln court was then put under surveillance by federal agent roof is colder and another federal agent rusty nails man so close to Rusty Nails Weird. Levin days later March thirty first coulter dolls along with Saint Paul Police. Detective Henry Cummings continued to survey all the Lincoln Court Complex looking for Hudson Sedan. Coffee had made note of to the Bureau Coulter and Cummings decide to head up the apartment to talk to the suspicious tenants. Billy Dillon's girlfriend answers. The door only cracked it open a few inches. She tells them she wasn't dressed. You have to wait a few minutes for her to be ready to talk to them. Novels in the car downstairs sees gang member Homer van meter. Pull up the apartment. Complex agent culture goes to phone to inform the Bureau of the attempt to engage with whoever is in the apartment and then van meter suddenly appears in a hallway. Van Meter evades officers questions where they see him tries to call me. Walk down the stairs. Colder follows him to the lobby. We're van meter spins around and opens fire. Coulter Fleas outside were tells him disabled van. Meter's car culture shoots out a few tires on van. Meter's Ford But van meter manages to get away. Carjacking A passer-by meanwhile bill realized that the minute the door law enforcement. Obviously this time she told Dylan they've been found after hearing van meter. Shots in the lobby dillinger. Fires to the door of his apartment in the hallway were cummings still stood. Cummings dives for cover this like movie. Fucking Shit dillinger comes into the Hallway. Continued to shoot coming shoots back. There's a significant imbalance of firepower between the two men. Doing your the Thompson. Submachine Gun Reichen. Fire bursts of bullets at a time. Cummings has a police. Revolver holds five rounds despite the disadvantage. Coming shoots dillinger. Hits Him in the CAF with one of his few bullets. Then manage just a fleet on the stairs and run out of the building. Fleeing for his life dillinger and for Shit exit the building through a back door. Drive off in the Hudson they had to. Eddie Green's safehouse where Dr Clayton Maze. Call to look at. Dillinger's wound dillinger is moved the apartment of Augusta salt were may work some patients who can't come to the office April second two days later Eddie. Green visit cylinder at Salts apartment. Later that day he would be tracked down and shot by F. B. I. G. men he dives wounds on April eleventh but not before making several delirious statements to the investigators. Things are getting crazier. Dillinger's girlfriend decide to visit John's family now in Mooresville how the fuck is the FBI not surveilling this place in the middle of all this insanity they stay with John Senior and reconnect other family members between April Fifth and eighth five days later John and his half brother Hubert car accident. The dillinger's returned from Ohio where they would attempt visit Harry Pierpont. Parents Hubert fell asleep at the wheel. And I'm sorry he's Kinda like five days after an earlier event but in the middle of this April April seventh. This happens both. Dillinger's flee the scene after Hubert falls asleep at the wheel rams into another car and ended up two hundred feet out in the woods in the car. Police find some odd items include maps a length of rope and a bull whip. Yes a bull. Whip Hubert will later say that his brother John was going to use that whip on a former lawyer Joseph Ryan who had taken some retainer money from John in the middle of this on the run from the law healing from a gunshot wound. He wants to find his old lawyer. Fucking bulletin whip him two days later April ninth. John and billy drive to Chicago to meet up with friends of the dillinger gang hoping they could find another safehouse a man dillinger had worked within the past underworld figure. Larry strong promises to help them. Larry sends him to his tavern to wait details. Billy enters first to make sure it's safe for John. It's not strong. Had turned against dillinger and police officers were inside the tavern waiting for him. Billy's captured by special agents. John Becomes Frantic. Panics runs off. You can't help her donor immediately. Hires lawyer Louis pecan not the guy who's GonNa fucking whip to take on her case meets with them often over the next few days to discuss it. Billy is find a thousand dollars since two years in prison for harboring a fugitive. Dylan's your peyser fine. claims the money comes from billy sister as the very fugitive in trouble for harboring paying the fine. You know she incurred for harboring him but not you know obviously looking for John now desperately wants to break billy at a prison even going as far as casing the prison to get a feel for the layout and robbing another police arsenal in Warsaw Indiana with van meter to acquire. More guns guys love to get more guns. John is talked out of it by billy. Herself I please let me serve the time. The gang along with their wives and girlfriends decides it would be best to go into hiding. Yeah April Twentieth. The whole of the remaining. Second Villager Gang Dillinger van meter baby face. Nelson Carol Hamilton. Their wives and girlfriends gang. Errand runner Pat Riley. Check into the little Bohemia Lodge in Manitou. Wish Waters Wisconsin. They hope to have a nice quiet week into food and cards. But that wasn't the way things would work out. Two days later the lodge owner Emil want would not feel something is amiss during a game of cards. He's playing with dillinger Nelson Hamilton. He thinks is weird. How whenever he wins a hand Nelson dillinger put guns against his head and say stuff like Looks like you lost again to mail. Bad Luck it's real bad luck. I don't remember that being in the rules. No he notices. When diligent wins? A hand in danger stands up to collect his winnings he's got a shoulder holster source looking around sees everybody's armed well out of town. The next day mills wife tells a friend Harry Vass that she thinks the dillinger gang staying at their fucking hotel voss calls the these federal agents to fill them in on the situation agent. Melvin Purvis not want to waste any time or let the gang get away immediately. Mobilizes the team to fly from Chicago to Wisconsin Right. He's part of that task. Force that forty man team. The team plans on simply sneaking up to the lodge taking the game. By surprise there were many roads into the lodge. The buildings backed out onto lakes. Purpose assumes there's not going to be that many ways for gang members to escape the raid these. This is the very early days of the bureau. There's not very many protocols to follow this To for for this type of rate no roadblocks have been set up. Local authorities. Were not informed the agents were not completely sure of the layout or the law or of the lodge or who exactly was meant to even be in there so they don't go in very prepared that night. A little humility is having dinner special. That attracts around seventy five people. Some guests are still leaving. Just as agent show up a car leaving the lodge approaches the agents who shouted the driver to stop and identify himself the men in the car. John Hoffman Eugene Basel. John Moores don't hear the command because he got the radio cranked up. They're having an animated conversation and the agents open fire on these poor bastards right. They kill one of them wound to others. These three guys totally innocent no connection to the gang. John Hoffman was a local man Eugene and John Moores were to civilian conservation corps workers in town for job that will come to take advantage of dollar dinner night. They ended up getting shot to pieces. Hearing the gunfire gang member Pat Riley and his girlfriend Pat Sherrington. Who returned from an errand? Riley was running for van meter. They make a hasty break for freedom agent shoot Riley and Sherrington but they managed to get away and now all hell breaks loose Sunday Sunday. Sunday diligent gang takes on legitimate. Hema logged in mandatory. Which was Wisconsin? John Double Dog? Dick Dick dillinger. George baby face. Please drink and put the gun down psychopath. Nelson take on some agents about to be sending some real deep shit for three men will sell you the whole seat. But you'll only need the edge. It really is a fucking showdown. Gunfire erupts between. Dillinger's gang in the G. Men Dummy Tommy Guns Blazin Dia Tommy. Guns are blazing diners screaming. People are flying for covered glasses shattering and then somehow the whole gang manages to escape despite the FBI's effort to surround storm the lodge everybody gets away federal agents WC Carter bomb shot dead baby face Nelson during the gun battle. One Gang member John. Hamilton does get shocked on the escape dies of his wounds. A few days later on the twenty seventh. He's buried in a gravel pit in us we go. Illinois by Dillinger van meter in France the raid on the little Bohemia Lodge catastrophic for the bureau for Hoover and Purvis personally with one bureau agent one civilian dead many others wounded no gang members in custody. Who's a disaster many hoover's resignation and purposes suspension down with the Master of laws? Nobody sucks like hoover. The heat is on like never before the entire country. Now look for dillinger. Hamilton has just died. Nelson has yet to return from his escape. After Little Humana this leave Dylan van meter and Carroll to scrounge up some money to evade the law by themselves. So guess how they raise money. They rather bank. Van Meter knows of a town in Ohio. Unlike their usual hits it probably wouldn't be suspected foss story was a railroad town about twelve thousand home a major league baseball player nine hundred sixty nine all star pitcher grant. Jackson winning pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates in game seven of the seventy nine world series better pro athletes and Dick dickey but a man with much more boring name so I won't keep going on about him for story. Had about one hundred and forty train slowly making their way through the center of town on a daily basis meticulous bank robbers like Herman land would never plan a heist in town. There was practically inescapable. This will be one of the most dangerous robberies. The men had learned to work in a five or six man team. Now they have three. They can't do a test run. They don't know the layout they just know that. The town's covering train tracks were tranquil. Block their escape route any turn but the men need money and has van meter said. If they pulled it off they probably wouldn't even be suspected carols. Getaway driver leaving dillinger and van meter to going alone. They used to have a look out to the door and least one other man in the building for crowd control not having case the bank beforehand. Men Don't even know that there are two more exits inside the bank. One go into a jewelry store. One drugstore would be hostage. Francis Hilliard managed to use one of these escapes. You just skip the robbery. She she runs to find Frank. Cope the chief of police as cope enters. He's spotted by van meter who shoots at him. Hit him in the chest with his machine. Gun Carol here's shots from down the street where he waits getaway car he gets out begins. Firing wildly in the direction of the bank shit's getting more violent messy with these guys. Two civilians Robert Shields into our W palley there by the barrage more townspeople. Come out now. People he usually would delight to watch a bank robbery. They see these days. Start shooting at them using their favourite escape tactic. Van Meter and dillinger take two hostages. Bill Dobbin Ruth Harris forced him to accompany them outside. Stand on the running boards at the car. Use them as human shields until they can save that a town they did manage to steal over seventeen thousand dollars and at first no one thought it was the Dillinger Gang Dillinger van meter by a Red Ford with some of their money. Use It as a mobile mobile safehouse. The outfitted with mattresses in the back of the truck living for several weeks splitting time between the truck in a dilapidated shack in the woods. Rugged Times for America's most notorious bank robbers on May eighteenth parsing response to dillinger. Us President FDR signed a bill giving more power to the federal government to fight crime for the first time laws grant powerful rights to the age of the federal government. The anti-crime package also establishes stiff punishments for many of Dylan's offenses including bank robbery and crossing state lines to avoid the law. Few days later may twenty third Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker the equally infamous Bonnie and Clyde killed in a police ambush Louisiana. The next day John Had van meter driving their Ford truck to a back road near Chicago when a pair of policemen. Drive Up van meter decides. They're either going to jail or shooting cops and he's not going to jail. Van Meter guns officers Martin. O'brien and Lloyd Mobile Down with his Tommy Gun before the men even have a chance to reach for the weapons or exit. The car their bodies are found the next day. Police assume as the work of the Dillinger Gang Plea papers even report that the men were slain. In dillinger's style man homer van meter that got enough fuck around quick to reach for that. Tommy Gun dillinger would later express remorse for these killings saying that they were officers doing their jobs and they didn't deserve to die. It's clear now that the authorities are closing in on dillinger with latest murders. He's officially being blamed for crimes. That police aren't even sure he committed. He needs something drastic so we asked his lawyers to find him a reliable plastic surgeon to alter his face enough that he won't be recognized again. It's just like a movie. He was released from Indiana State. Prison barely a year earlier. Now in May twenty seven John. And van meter moving to Pro-moscow House for Bosco former boxer member of a diamond heist ring briefly trained as a veterinarian now to makeshift operating a room in his home his lawyers. Reach OUT TO UNDERWORLD DR William Lost. Her and his assistant. Dr Harold Cassidy. They've been in trouble with the law. They don't have licenses anymore. They need money for BASCO says for five grand till set everything up. He'll get the doctors. You'll pay the doctors. You can use his house. You can get your plastic surgery. And they do perform him. May twenty-eighth plastic surgery. Almost kill him. Dillinger's it didn't tell them what you've eaten that day for whatever reason and they give him the wrong amount of anesthetic and he loses consciousness and almost dies they bring you back via CPR and still perform surgery. And it's brutal. He keeps waking up from the anesthesia anesthesia. Not BEING RIGHT. He was vomiting from an ether overdose. And the pure shock being awake during the surgery over the course of several hours. They removed three moles. Give them a rudimentary facelift and fill in his cleft Chin. Later wants to swelling goes down doing allegedly says not even look any different than I did with a newly released realized fingerprint database. John Van meter also opt to how these doctors raised their fingerprints. Dr Loeser had a system of fingerprint removal combining nitric and hydrochloric acids. It was excruciating procedure. Charge him in an additional hundred dollars per finger after John's death. He would testify about the work. He did on dillinger and van meter now by the summer of Nineteen thirty four dillinger had dropped complete a site. He's got a new look. Fbi have no leads to follow. If he could keep his head down. You might have actually gotten away with all this but he doesn't he drifts into Chicago where everyone's looking for him takes on the alias. Jimmy Lawrence takes the clerk. Job makes new girlfriend named polly Hamilton. Who Unaware of his true identity? Stupid stay alone be gone Loucif fina large metropolis like Chicago. He thinks he can just lead an anonymous existence. He does for a little while however again. Chicago's where the most heat is on him somehow. Diligent doesn't realize he's at the center of FBI dragnet when authorities find out the one that dillinger's recent getaway cars is on a Chicago sites like Yep. He's here he's in the city and then on June. Twenty second is thirty first birthday. He's informally named America's first public enemy number one on a speech or in a speech given by US Attorney General homer s cummings celebrates his birthday by going out to dinner with polly wisely hiding an FBI. Agent would later say about him. Excuse me it was. All A game to dillinger. It was his wits against the FBI's wits and diligent was winning. He wasn't gonNA hide. He loved this game the next day the US Justice Department off the ten thousand dollar reward for the arrest of dillinger and a five thousand dollar reward for Info leading to his arrest. Awards for criminals had just made possible by new legislation days earlier. All but three members of the second dillinger gang now dead. Dylan's your fears. Arrest them soon. Be Dead as well. It's down to Dillinger van meter and baby face Nelson with their funds depleted by surgeries is comfortable retirement and tropical location. They decided to plan one more big robbery. They want one hundred grand. This time they choose the Merchants National Bank in South Bend. Indiana as many as three other men were brought in on the Heist. Their identities have never been conclusively proven. Some speculate one was pretty boy. Floyd a man who would take over. Dillinger's places public enemy number one after his death van meter's look out that day the others make their way into the bank and then one of the unidentified men start shooting at the ceiling is fucking lunatics. The noise prompts officer Howard Wagner to investigate van meter sees him coming of course van meter does what he does shoots him before he has a chance to the bank he dies on the scene classic. Van Meter. Shoot I don't bother asking any questions. The shooting sets off a panic in the streets. Chaos people running for safety van meter hear sirens in the distance Harry. Berg local shopowner grabs his pistol shoots and one of the robbers. Berg manages to hit Nelson. Who is not wounded? Who is bulletproof vest? Hothead NELSON GOES APE shit after being shot at swings around search wildly firing in the direction of the shooter. Bullets or shattering shop windows in car. Windshields outside bystanders. Getting hit Joseph Palo Hausky a teenager who is passing by the scene jumps on Nelson's back tries to stop him from shooting Nelson struggles free slams into a glass window. The boy gets shot in the hand by a stray bullet. Any PASSES OUT CLASSIC POLACK. He passes out from getting shot in the hand. You probably thought whereas brain was probably held up his hand screaming help. I've been shot in the head. Jk stupid running joke for new listeners. A police arrive on the scene. Bullets continue to fly from both sides. The shootout of thousands of dollars in property damage wound six civilians. Van Meter grazed by bullet. Almost grazes head technically hits him in the head. Dylan during the game as they usually do taking hostages. One of them's the bank president heist didn't go like they hoped. And the only made about thirty thousand dollars not enough. Ra- tropical retirement gotTa Rob Another Bank a few days later. July fourth independence date dillinger moves into the apartment of sage who owned several brothels. John was dating polly. Who was a former prostitute under Anna? Sage's real name was Anna campanas. Choose Romanian Madame facing deportation. Back to her native Romania. She met with federal agent. Melvin Purvis guys been trying to catch him on July Twenty First. She promises to turn over dillinger. She'd be allowed to stay in the US purposes. He can't guarantee to stop deportation proceedings. But he'll try. She agrees to tell him. The theater the dillinger. His girlfriend in herself would soon be attending. She would later be known as the woman in red despite wearing an orange dress the next night and by the way she would also get deported. After all this helping out she would get deported. Back to Romania the next night July twenty second diligent Tansy Film Manhattan. Melodrama Film starring Clark Gable and Mickey Rooney about two orphans grown up on both sides of the law fall in love with the same woman at the biographic theater in the Lincoln Park Neighbor to Chicago. I've been there many times neighborhood. Justice sage said he would dillinger was with his girlfriend polly Hamilton. An orange dress once they determined diligent was in the theater the aging contact. J. Edgar Hoover for instructions. The master of laws recommends that they wait outside rather than risk a gun battle in a crowded theatre he also tells agents to not put themselves in danger and that any man could open. Fire on Dillinger. At the first sign of resistance when the movie. Let's out the lead agent standing by the front door signals. Dillinger's exit by lighting a cigar both he and the other agents involved would later report to. Dylan's your turn his head when he did that look directly at him then walked by glanced across the street slowly moved ahead of his female companions then pulled a gun in quickly ran into a nearby alley. He knew he spotted them. He knew they were coming. While John Ran these These three agents quickly opened fire on him. Firing five shots. Dillinger's hit from behind false face first to the ground. Two female bystanders slightly wounded in the legs buttocks by bullet fragments. Dillinger's struck four times. Two Bullets Graze Him. One causes a superficial wound was right side. The fatal bullet entered the back of his neck severs. The spinal cord passes into his brain exits just under his right eye severing two sets of veins and arteries there were also reports when this happens a people after he falls down dead dipping their handkerchiefs and skirts into the pool of his blood. Right so they can have keepsakes for this entire affair. An ambulance is called. He's dead you pray died for you at the ground die without saying a word at TEN FIFTY PM July twenty second nineteen thousand four. He's pronounced dead officially election brothers hospital. His bodies taken to the county cook morgue gets US photographs. That's what the infamous Boehner pick come from Throughout the next day a huge throng of curiosity seekers parades of the more mortgage to catch a glimpse. Dillinger's so weird so many people come the chief corner finding complained that the mob is interfering with his work. Cook County deputies. Have TO POST A. B. Posted to keep the crowds obey villagers family. Identifies the body. The DESPERADO had recently. Undergone plastic surgery dyed his hair black in an attempt to highs identity. And they're like I don't know if that's him friends. Acquaintances claimed that. The dead body was shorter. Heavier diligent in a barber familiar with the bandits. Hair says it does heretic later. Nineteen sixty five. A California man wrote Indianapolis News claiming to be dillinger but was dismissed as a nut. The identity of the body line at Crown Hill cemetery could easily be figured out. Dna tests but exclamation is not a casual undertaking. And it hasn't been done rumor. That Dylan was not shot that day. Continue to persist but no hysteresis story seems to believe them again. Romanian Madam and it's age. She becomes a hated figure. She is deported. Dillinger's a national hero in-depth like he wasn't life which is ridiculous. Dude was a stone. Cold murder mayhem. Master ran from agents with the gun escaped from jail twice. Shop people I think they did the right thing. Shoot him their other. People would think that they got a little reckless shooting. Him Down they want him taking live. July twenty fifth nineteen thirty four. The body of Dylan's. You're probably his body buried. Grant Hill Cemetery. After Christian ceremonies laid to rest in the dillon family plot. His gravestone vandalized many times over the next several years by people taking souvenirs. Fans continue to observe John. Dillinger's Day July twenty second in Chicago is way to remember the fabled bank robber members of the John. Dillinger's died few society traditionally gathered the biography theater on the anniversary of his death. Retraces last walk to the alley following a bagpipe playing amazing grace. Weird rare. D- Why do you see? This is a hero now. I doubt any of the human shields forced to ride in the side of his fucking getaway cards. You know whatever attend any John Dillon. Event and all that takes us out of this action packed. Lead filled time suck time line. Holy Shit Oh some exciting stuff. Good job soldier made it back so pretty insane tail. What a crazy life. Despite all her John Dillinger Not Even Indiana's most successful bank robber though that honor Dishonor belongs to Leon and Morris Johnson Brothers Johnson referred to Indianapolis Polices Robbery Inc executed upwards of three thousand stick ups at banks bars gas stations and grocers from the late fifties until the mid seventies. Take an estimated two million dollars. I mean we should suck them some day that some crime spree former Indianapolis Police Department officer John Flat called the brothers slippery ills a continually evaded capture. But in the end they were cut almost always caught in the end. By the time it was done the. Us government spent more money. Trying to catch John Dillinger than ever stole estimated the John Dillinger made away with approximately five hundred thousand dollars. Total roughly seven million in today's dollars. During his fourteen month long crime spree the government spent two million roughly twenty eight million dollars trying to catch him participated in three gangs involved in a string of dramatic bank robberies across the country he escaped several and FBI traps rated numerous police. Armories helped mastermind the biggest escape ever from Indiana State Prison at Michigan City. Those escapees broke him out of jail. You know days later. He escaped again later from from capture with a wooden gun because of how people fell during the Great Depression because of the anger over the economy anger towards the government anger towards the banks he was a fucking Rockstar. Before the rockstars the prosecutor posed for a picture with him before or after his arrest. Who's a bad man but beloved by many he was very very good at doing very bad shit. Not Take a few more. Looks back at this dude who was in so many ways a dude who just had no fox to give a guy who who wasn't a good guy but a bad guy with giants stone balls who fearlessly went after whatever he wanted in life with a gun in his hand by faith away number one. John Dillinger didn't have a giant penis but based on You know what he did. He may have had a tux balls into his boots. He's robbing banks. We've had some huge balls number. Two Richard Gere gear has killed several Gerbils by sticking them up his ass. Stallone was right to call him out on. That is fucked up Jake gusting no number. Two John was one of the reasons we have the FBI today he and his gang others like Bonnie and Clyde baby face Nelson fucked so much dip across the country that the federal government made a number of monumental changes in interstate policing procedures. One of the major outcomes was the FBI number. Three people always seem to love anti-heroes diligent as gang. Kill people but America's still like the more than the government and law enforcement who are trying to save people from being killed. Why is that because we humans are not rational? Meet Sex and I think because you know we don't like being told to do to a fault. Sometimes we don't told what to do number four. J. Edgar Master of laws hoover sent Jiman- after dillinger and dillinger evaded them like he was a fucking roadrunner. They were Wiley Coyote. With Dylan's you're getting away over and over again till he didn't eventually he did. That's the thing about these guys. They might pull off one hundred heist in a row but they still usually end up dead or in prison. Good to remember number five. Little Bit of new Info dillinger. At least six movies made about his life. There are three movies. Simply titled Dillinger. One nine hundred forty five one in seventy three one. In Ninety one there was also cheesy nineteen fifties film called guns. Don't argue the nineteen seventy nine film lady in red and the more recent public enemies came out in two thousand nine public enemy stars. Johnny Depp as Dillinger. I just put it on my watch list. Got Butch Cassidy the Sundance Kid with Paul Newman. Robert Redford and public enemies with Johnny Depp. Or Johnny Depp and a huge cast of characters other gangsters and Jim and I'M A. I'm a watch list. That movie grossed Well over two hundred million at the box office got some pretty good reviews and I know many was. Have you know more time on our hands to watch stuff right now? So maybe those are two movies. You should check out time takeaway Dylan journos possibly massive wing. It sucked hope. That was fun and interesting little escape. Thanks the time so team Clinton to suck. Lindy comes high Priestess Harmony Village Camp Reverend Dr Paisley. The Bid Elixir designed crew with the APP Logan and Kate Spicy clever and bad magic merge dot com script keepers act flannery. 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We're hoping to interview a doctor with a lot of knowledge pertaining to exactly what's going on we're going to dig into other information regarding the state of today's pandemic talk about the disease response to the disease government moves economy more also. GonNa talk about the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic everyone keeps comparing the krona virus pandemic to throw at the most knowledge. I can next Monday. Make bearable to listen to you than the Monday. After that a SEC suck is gonNA get fucking wild going to be Lusa Fina filled Scott some more entertainment coming. Your way also have scared to death if you want to listen to that if you haven't already for more podcast entertainment. We had well over twenty episodes now of that and then again all the stand up stuff talked about earlier new special place on spotify been Dora lots of free content to enjoy stay safe. Go crazy love you meet sacks time now for today's time sucker updates times first up an update. We shared on the secret sauce that needs to be shared here very uncertain stressful time. All that is terrible for mental health. Luckily spaces or Andrew Wilmer set of mental health support group on facebook specifically for members of the time so community. Top fucking shelf meets. Andrew writes. Hey Dan. This is spaces. Andrew Wellness. Just wanted to say thank you for telling. Us basis about my mental health group. I have a request. You can also say something about it on Time Sec. I created for all meet sex hail Nimrod and keep on sucking below. Is the link if you needed again. You're loyal spaces are Andrew Banana sucker. Woolmer's boom done. Andrew hit the link is going to be in today's episode description and now for some Needed humor from kick ass time. Sutter Ian Cottam on Ian just got comes lot time he writes. Hello Suck Master in times of team. Loyal spaces are friendly neighborhood. Fedex driver checking in with my first of probably many Cummins law incidents. Listen to the bobby. Yoga suck the Other Day Through my Bluetooth speakers were driving around with my sliding doors open. Most delivered drivers do my speakers auto pause and play when the truck has turned off on so I turned the truck on after making a stop and right is a jogger runs by my door. Your Voice comes through the speaker bellowing eight addict uppity bitch. Her head. Whips around Jomo Strips over her feet stares me for a second and prepare for a verbal beating. She just laughs an ass. What the Hell Are you listening to? So best case scenario. Maybe have another new listener. Worst-case scenario I maybe have a formal complaint coming my way either way. I thought you'd enjoy the story. Thanks for the amazing content. Keep on sucking. I laughed so hard I read that Ian Holy Shit. That is funny to me. Hope she likes to show and I think she doesn't. Your job is pretty secure right now. Hold man we need delivery drivers right now. Oh nother delivery driver. Message coming in from magnificent magnificent meat sack. Bj Higgins bj rights. I love my Baba. Hey mother fucking suck master. After the Bobby Yoga episode learned the Etymology of a family tradition. Come from an Irish Slovak. Family. We've always referred to our grandmother as Baba although being Irish savages. We pronounce it Bubba. The white trash doesn't end there as a great grandmother is called Big Bubba. Surprisingly none of my aunts are keen on the concept of having their name changed above. Us of the tradition may die out. Thanks for keeping this mailman entertained is he is soaked by Seattle Reign. Suck on Motherfucker May I love it big big BUBBA? What what woman doesn't WanNa be called Big Bubba by everyone in the family? Thanks for sharing that. Thanks for keeping the mail coming right now so important stay safe. Wash those fucking dirty me. Pas often and keep on sucking. Bj Two masters incredible sucker. Jas Jackson Compton has been saved from the depths of Wackadoo illness by the stuck. And I couldn't be happier. Jackson writes. Hello Dan of the the man of many titles longtime sucker Jackson here from northern California. I wanted to write for a long time now but it is the recent influx of heated emails. That have inspired me to reach out. Let me start off by saying that. I was very disillusioned with life when I was younger. Not to mention I was doing a decent amount of psychedelics. Acid doesn't tend aiden thinking critically therefore when I flunked a year and was sent to work at my family store at a ton of questions and not a whole lot of answers. I was seventeen or because my uncle his morning routine was to listen to info wars and then follow up with a whole slew of David. Eick videos sweet will long story shortish. I got in deep and I mean real deep. I had all of the curiosity and none of the bullshit detector which made it easier for me. To buy into. David was sane wholeheartedly. I watched hours and hours of videos and bought a couple of his books. So you could say that. By the time I started listening times I had gone full. Lizards are eating our fucking babies whack. A doodle heard about times like on Pandora when I listen to your stand up. Religiously sided had to check it out. A loved immediately quickly bench six episodes that were out saw. The David Eick suck listened and became enraged as you should on the man I had viewed as the one and only Prophet of divine truth in the world after that I almost saying he was strongly worded email so glad I didn't. Ll almost listening. But I love the sucks so much that I continue to listen. I put our differences aside. What's that part is my favorite part? The my favorite part of the soul message. Well almost actually transitions my favorite part. But this a close second within the secret suck came out and I became a space immediately. I listened intently as you dealt into. David is work every week on the secret sauce and continue to thoroughly. Debunk it with cold. Logic and reason not just by making fun of him which is very important because by doing this you force me to look at the whole situation with the fresh perspective instead of just becoming offended and writing you off as closed minded as I did in the past. I wanted to tell you this. So you know that your aggressive stance against Wackadoo really changes lives. You pulled me out of a full on downward spiral that was going. Nowhere fast for this. I cannot thank you enough Dan. You give me a new lease on life. Now I can focus on the important things without constantly being worried about stupid fucking Lizard People Alien Things or whatever I love you in the time so crews so much. Thank you from the bottom my heart. Please never stop shitting on these dangerous Fox stupid ideas your sucker and powerful reptilian overlord. Forever Jackson Komson Compton. Psi still subscribed to David Aiken Youtube but now it was just for the last. Nimrod is so pleased I love you Jackson. Your message gives me hope man. If I if you can get away for Mike and the and the Alex Jones and those types in the world you know that means more also leave the fold of those dangerous conmen those fucking fearmongers who ruin lives under the guise of free. And that's what I hate about the most his whole message of I'm free in your mind. I'm free new from the Matrix. No you're getting people focused on the wrong shit. So they don't improve their lives and I hate them for doing that. And I love you for sending that message strong during this insanity keep thinking critically you beautiful son of a Bitch Hail fucking Nimrod last message of the week coming in from wonderful sucker asked Rogers as she writes about imports community. She writes dear. Suck master. I'm very sad to say I missed your shows in Nashville this weekend. Because of my corona virus fears it was a tough call for me to make. I have been looking forward this for months. I've heard for years about your giant giant penis. I heard that during the meet-and-greet sometimes you just kind of let it flow down the line like a snake and let various people just touch it just for and rub it for luck. I added that part. So ask you. Do you ever said that as you rodgers never wrote that part. I started lying after looking forward to for months then as she says but ultimately I would have felt selfish for taking the risk. I made the decision to be extra cautious for my family. Hoping this all passes as quick as possible so I can travel to see you in another city later in the year. I did want to let you know that in these uncertain times. I'm trying to find ways to help. My fellow meets acts in part of the cult. Curious has given me such a sense of community. I WANNA share that like a missionary for Nimrod my grandparents. You mean the world to me or at high risk for Kobe. Nineteen like so many others to groceries to them today. Couldn't help but think of all the people in their demographic they don't have the support system so I created a facebook group called helping people at high risk for Co bid nineteen to connect people who need to get groceries supplies medications etc with people who can help them. Please post that in the facebook group by the way if it can even help one person stay safe. It's worth it. It would mean so much this longtime sucker if you could help me spread the word to more people grow. This never human beings looking out for one another. Thanks for all you do. Stay safe on the road. Keep on suck and Ashley Rogers. Thank you Ashley. Such an amazing meat sack. Yes we need each other. Ironically more than ever during this period of social isolation yes people check out that group helping people at high risk for covert nineteen on facebook. Please put a link in our facebook group and thank God for the Internet right now. Thanks thanks for These groups you know being possible this is exactly the kind of Shit. We need an addition to humor than it needs to be spread inside the CO curator and everywhere else. Right now wait. It'd be great examples. You definitely made the right decision. Skin the show because of how much I travel you know I will not be seeing my grandparents for awhile and not be traveling for a while and I begged my grandparents Don t to hunker down forbidden. Stay away from the fucking slot machine. Did we're still going in the height of all the news. They decided to go to the Saito and sit on the slots for hours. I'm like are you fucking kidding me do you want it. You just WanNa get it. Take care of yourself. Good Luck Ashley. Good luck to all of you stay informed Hale Nimrod and just try to keep your head up as much as possible you beautiful beautiful bastards. Thanks time soccer and we all did add the best week. You can right now spaces. I DON'T HAVE ANY BANKS. Tempting is that may be. Yeah you could get sick hard to robin and keep social distance. Luckily you can't keep social distance while You keep on Sucking Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle Bell Rock I got a hundred and twenty seven inch a thrown over my shoulder. Ram Mao way. He's just like did you use to do making up bunch of silly Dick Jokes. I should probably stop and get to my home. Why am I doing this? Lindsay's running errands to help. Families Save is not the right time bride time to make these stupid jokes but do it cracks me up to think. Cabal sought to huge. Dick I don't know what I'm saying didn't write any of this stuff down making it up as the got the gist.