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"frank nash" Discussed on Today in True Crime
"Charles Floyd tramped through the woods of East Liverpool Ohio. He'd been on the run for over a year and he knew the cops were still on his tail after all FBI Director J Edgar, Hoover had fingered him for what went down in Kansas City. It didn't matter how much floyd denied having anything to do with those dead officers. Hoover had labeled him public enemy number one that left floyd with two choices run or end up six feet under like John Dillinger Floyd chose to run but after being spotted on October Twentieth Nineteen thirty four around East Liverpool he really needed to lay low. So at the site of a friendly little farmhouse, he slow down walked up and knocked. Forty one year old ellen cockle opened the door and honestly she didn't know what to make of the disheveled fellow on the other side. He told her he was a hunter but there was something about his eyes when he said it, she didn't buy it. Ellen was a widow and all alone. So when the shabby looking man asked if he could enter, she felt like she didn't have any other choice she even went as far as making the disconcerting stranger a warm meal serving up spare ribs, Rice Pumpkin Pie and coffee. Floyd couldn't believe his luck. He told Ellen that the spread was a meal fit for a King. It was something worth acknowledging. For A boy who grew up in abject poverty? Was Born in Nineteen Oh four in Georgia. But grew up in Oklahoma after his family moved there in nineteen eleven like almost everyone he knew his parents were farmers who barely got by there was no honor in poverty and eventually not having enough to eat war on floyd right about when he turned eighteen, he'd had enough. So he robbed a neighborhood post office and got away with it if he couldn't come by the good things in life honestly then he get them the other way. The first big job floyd pulled was a payroll robbery at a kroger store warehouse in Saint Louis Missouri. He walked away heavy with approximately twelve thousand dollars and he likely felt grand but the good vibes didn't last his first big job earned him a stint in the Missouri State Penitentiary it wouldn't be his last. The Minute Floyd was released he got right back to pulling cons. He was happy to dabble with stick them up bank jobs but another of his specialties became highway robbery it was like fish in a barrel. All Floyd had to do was stand by the road with a power to flash machine gun and they could take their pick of any drivers bounty. Sure. It meant that floyd spent periods of nineteen, twenty, nine and nineteen, thirty in and out of jail but it beat being poor life was good. It was around this time that floyd picked up the nickname pretty boy some claim it was given to him by particularly amorous sex worker. He patronized floyd hated the moniker but his problems went it was a pretty benign one to have. And then things got complicated. Floyd continued to escalate his criminal activity and from nineteen twenty, nine to the early nineteen thirties. He mainly became involved in robbing banks. He hit up banks across the Midwest primarily in Ohio and Oklahoma with a crew of big time heavies. He became infamous for using machine guns and firing their bullets at a whim. His cavalier violence might be why the police suspected him for the Kansas City massacre what went down in Kansas City initially had nothing to do with floyd instead, it concerned a career criminal named Frank Nash. Nash had been convicted of assault armed brewery and murder. He was on the run after escaping prison in nineteen thirty however, three years. Later, he was caught an on June seventeenth nineteen, thirty three a group of armed officers were tasked with transporting him back to the Leavenworth prison outside of Kansas, city however upon arriving at Union station on route to the penitentiary gunmen opened fire on the group according to several accounts. The assailants were accomplices of Nash who were trying to help rescue him. If this was the case, their efforts were counterproductive as Nash was caught in the crossfire and killed. So worth three officers and one federal agent. Doodoo his presence in the area at the time and his notoriety as a trigger happy gunman FBI Director J Edgar Hoover fingered floyd as the mastermind behind the shootings declaring him public enemy number one after that the chase was on and pretty boy floyd was forced to go on the run. Coming up the police tried to track down pretty boy floyd. Listeners. Who Doesn't love a good ghost story rattling chains mysteriously moving objects unfinished business. 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"frank nash" Discussed on Fore Play
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"frank nash" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Sentences totaling more than two hundred years were liberated from the eastern state prison farm at Waldo Texas by Bonnie and Clyde. Two guards were shot by the escaping prisoners with automatic pistols. That Clyde had two other outlaws Floyd Hamilton and Jimmy mullins high ditch. Those two guys is slipped through a barbed wire perimeter fence around the prison. Hit An old innertube under drainage culvert inside that to to Colt forty five automatics and several clips of AMMO. The next day Floyd Hamilton. Visit his little brother in prison. His brother Raymond told them about the guns. Other escape details. Few days later another inmate Aubrey skelly was able to retrieve the gun sneaking into Joe Palmer sell who hit him in a mattress and the next day. A heavy fog blanketed the prison grounds. Clyde borrow two others hid in the woods near the edge of the country road just outside the prison. Clyde carried a browning automatic rifle capable of firing twenty round clip of armor piercing shells less than three seconds. Clyde new. This prison already served time there and he fucking hated. He hated the guards. He said he'd seen prisoners beaten by guards stuffed and tin sweat boxes under the blazing Sun. He said he'd seen prisoners prisoners murder by guards sometimes for the twenty five dollar reward for the capture of escaped prisoners other times for revenge when he was released he swore he'd come back and bust out some other prisoners and hopefully kill a few guards himself at some point that morning. Joe Palmer shot a prison guard out in the yard in the break was on after hearing. Joe Fire shots. Clyde comes out of the treeline opens fire on the guard's without automatic rifle. Bonnie sitting in the getaway car hits the horn and the chaos that follows two guards leave their posts fleeing for their lives in a bunch of do get out. Raymond and other prisoners. Ran Clyde covered the retreat with continued bursts of machine gun fire. He and Bonnie had done with the come to do they. Busted prisoners out of the jail that Clyde so hated during their violent career together. They're believed to have killed nine police officers and four civilians. The pair probably rob less than a dozen banks. They did rob from a lot of other places mostly Gas Stations and little little kind of grocery stores and then the two were killed in an ambush in Louisiana may twenty third nineteen thirty four. Their car was turned into virtual Swiss cheese in a hail of gunfire. Another of. Dillinger's contemporary was man people called pretty boy who would become hoover's public enemy number one after DILLINGER's death Charles Arthur. Pretty Boy Floyd gun happy. Bank robber who during his violent career cultivated a favorable image with the general public by spreading rumors that in the course of his robberies he also destroyed mortgage documents saving many people from foreclosing on their farms and homes There's actually no evidence that he did that. But that was the that was the legend. This sprint pretty boy floyd was named by the FBI is being one of the gunmen. Involved in the infamous. Kansas City massacre on June seventeenth nineteen thirty-three shootout in which three police officers in an FBI agent were killed when escorting? Frank Nash. One of the Depression era's most successful bank robbers during a change of custody after Nash. Been arrested a few days prior in the popular underworld hideout a hot springs. Arkansas national dying. This escape attempt unlikely. The Floyd was actually involved with J. Edgar Hoover used. The event is propaganda to further the case of army fights. Fbi agents and pursuing. Floyd Floyd did do a lot of bad shit. Floyd did elise killed three police officers. And several other underworld figures including out indicates he may have supplemented his income from bank robberies by also serve as a Hitman for various organized. Crime figures floyd grew up in a small town in Oklahoma when it became impossible to operate a small farm in the drought conditions of the late twenties. Floyd tried his hand at bank robbery. He quickly got caught for Robbins. Saint Louis Payroll delivery and found himself in a Missouri prison. After being paroled in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred eighty two thousand five learned a man named Jim Mills had shot his father to death. Mills had been acquitted of the charges. And then right after Floyd got out of prison. This guy disappeared forever. He shows up in the same town as mills and Mills. Gun Floyd biographers. Her you know pretty sure that he he killed him father then he moves to Kansas City and along with a couple of friends he met in Prison Starts Robbing Banks Missouri and Ohio. He gets caught again. He could send to twelve to fifteen years Ohio on the way to prison on the prison transport train. He kicks out a fucking window jumps off and it gets away amazing. How many stories there are of dudes breaking out of prison? We're going to have some great ones later in this episode man. I know these dudes I love fucking prison break tail for whatever reason I mean if you're on a train heading to prison and you might not get out like fifteen years. How amazing would it feel to kick the window out? Jump survive runoff to actually pull off that escape and talk about turning your day around one minute like fuck. I'm fucking prison. Fifteen years for the prime of my life and then like fifteen minutes later. You're just to feel but-but-but by up by getting away with it. Floyd made it Toledo hooked up with Bill. The killer Miller. That's a solid outlawed. Name that dude. Lucked in the last name department with Miller probably wouldn't have a cool tough nickname of his last name was like Walker Baker. You know build Stocker Walker. That's not good bill. The faker Baker. That's that's not nearly as strong. Hey Hey guys baker just scream. He's he's roll around. I think he's been shot now. He's fine kid. He does that ever gunfight right after the first shots fired. I say classic faker Baker Move. He wants limped for two weeks. Said he'd been shot in the leg all they're really been done to him was he. Kinda was trying to clip his. Dang toenails and a short plastic. Faker banker Pretty boy floyd killer Miller. One of the crime spree across several states also started dating this ridiculous. They started dating two sisters They met along the way during the crimes. Free One of them is married and the other is dating that man's brother when they mate and then fly. Flip that funny but Floyd and killer Miller. They're like well now. We wanted these girls and these guys are kind of the way these fucking killed him as killed both those dudes author girls. Floyd would rob more than thirty banks kill at least ten men during his criminal career. Before he himself was gunned down in Ohio. Field are the night of October twenty. Second Nineteen thirty four just outside of East Liverpool Little Town of eleven thousand that borders Pennsylvania and West Virginia. This guy he raised a lot of help for dude who died at thirty baby face Nelson. Another famous gangster. Who committed a number of robberies? Whitlinger was a member of gang for a time. So we'll talk more about Nelson a bit but let's talk about a bit now. This guy's a fucking lunatic. He was a psychopath in the late. Nineteen Twenty S. Lester Gillis. Who USED The alias? George Nelson was developing a budding criminal career by performing home invasion to cash jewellery. Furs Robin Stores Robin Taverns. He robbed his first bank in April of nineteen thirty Another in October that year and in Chicago and then even rob jewelry from the Mayor of Chicago's wife and then she saw him and she's the one who labelled him as having a baby face and then baby face Nelson stuck in the press a nickname that he hated that no one called him to his face. Nelson was especially violent. He committed his first known murder. During a botched tavern robbery by nineteen thirty two D Nelson have been caught convicted and sentenced to prison and then he escaped. All these guys escape escaped during a prison transfer nine thirty two Breaking out of the joint was apparently a right of passage with these dudes the following year. He rob a bank in Grand Haven Michigan Nelson decides to form and run his own gang of bank robbers in nineteen thirty three on October third. They robbed the first National Bank of brainerd Minnesota during which Nelson why I guess he says he formed his own. He really was. Dillinger's gang so we'll talk about this a little bit but he but he's I don't know maybe like a CO leader and During this bank robbery he just randomly starts a fired. His submachine gun at bystanders. On the street the DECI. Because he's fucking crazy like even amongst other notorious gangsters and he was laughing. All he was doing it was kind of a movie. Just sprayed with bullets is random. People for help helped the robbery. Not at all He had a reputation for being particularly violent and unstable in March nineteen. Thirty four. You partner with dillinger. Another job to rob the security national bank in Sioux falls followed a week later by the first National Bank Mason City Iowa. And after pretty boy floyd was killed. Nelson inherited the designation of public enemy number. One you know A little while later Nelson remained on the run with his wife usually auto camps which were common and thirties auto camps for basically like the precursor to RV parks and motels big. Lots where people just park their car set up a little tent and hang out for a while cheaper than a motel easier for gangster to slip in and out of Nelson was finally cornered and killed by FBI agents in November of nineteen thirty four in a gun battle which two F. B. I. Agents are also killed another insane story. The gun battle begins because baby face. Nelson chases down the FBI officers after spotting on the highway. A fucking insane is at they. Don't chase him down. He chases them down. They tried to from him to FBI agents they get out of here before the gun battle. Nelson speeding down the highway chasing the agents shooting at him. Dude is insane. Toughest Fox survived confrontation. Only die of his wounds at a safe house. A short time later he would be a great suck. You One more. Before we get into dillinger. Maybe the most prolific bandit active. At the time of dillinger. Willie Sutton you'd be actor for a long time after Dylan's nineteen fifty he'd be named the FBI's newly created ten most wanted fugitives did have been robbing banks for over thirty years. By that time he's been four decades. Roughly Robin over one hundred banks steal around two million dollars and acquired two nicknames. The actor and Slick Willy I ingenuity and executive or executing robberies in various disguises fond of expensive clothes sutton was described as being an immaculate dresser known to be a gentleman carrying himself very differently than some of his You know a hothead peers. I've just talked about people. President is robbery. Said he was a quite polite. One victim of robberies said the watching one of Sutton's robberies was like being at the movies accepted the US. You're just happened to have a gun. When asked why he robbed. Banks Sutton supposedly famously said. Because that's where the money's he would later claim he'd never said that he said that a reporter wrote that attributed to him to sell some papers after denying that quote. He did say why he did it. He said why do I rob banks because I enjoyed it or why did I rub eggs? Because I enjoyed it. I loved it. I was more live when I was inside a bank. Robbing it than any other time in my life. I enjoyed everything about it so much. The one two weeks later IBM looking for the next job.
"frank nash" Discussed on Gangland Wire
"So the warden kind of concerned about the situation with a female and the other two hostages reach up and grabs one of the inmates that has a shotgun and get an struggle over a shotgun and he had made hollers hours. He's trying to get the gun. We'll eaten toward haller's hostages to run and the inmate with thirty ought six walks up behind him. Hits Him in the back of the head and he let's go with a shotgun and the inmate with a shotgun turns around and load both barrels into the warden and blows him into a ditch. Well now they think they've killed the warden. Yeah so they jump in the car all four of them they take off his. They're taking off. Here comes the warden sedan up over the top of the hill side with three correctional officers and a deputy warden inside the car. And you've got county sheriff that is headed headed in their direction and this is the middle of highway ninety two in Leavenworth. They actually engage in a gun battle or these guys are. The inmates have got thirty ought sixes and pistols and shotguns. Well they're getting shot at by five people that have Thompson Forty five caliber machine guns. I got and they actually struck the car and hit and it made by the name of we'll green was one of the escapee's hit him in the head and actually tell you how her hardheaded he was. The bullet didn't penetrate his head but it actually fractured skull so they wind up. They think they're going to get off the road into another another Back Road and they turn into the driveway of a home and here we are again mud and they bury this coupe. All all the way up to the axles and they get out and they start running towards US House more hostages. Only guy in this house believe it or not was seventy three year old farmer banana. Ms Emerson Salisbury Oldbury. And he looks sees these guys coming and he says Yup Hutton fellows and they said no. We're the we're the hunted. And they put him in. The House. alson started looking for additional weapons and trying to figure out a way out will one of them on the way up the oldest made out of the crew grover to real had told them you know we get up at House. We're not getting out of it. You might if I shake out and try to find my own way and it's like you know go do what you gotta do on. And then grow received realm got out on his own. And you've got three inmates in the house for about the next three and a half hours this house is literally bombarded with POSSE member shooting in the house. They shot tear gas into the house. Inmates are shooting back. Emerson Salisbury Seventy thirty. Three years old is in the House and he stuck and he even actually went up on the top floor of the house into the attic and started waving a white a handkerchief and they actually started shooting so you know he finally decided. Hey this is my chance. Yeah there's no prisoners in that deal so he actually slid down the way they describe it. There is a The I'm not even exactly sure how to even describe it for your listeners. He just it actually slid down a chute and went out the front door. At least three inmates were stuck in the house and there was no way out they knew there. There was no way out and from what the coroner's report read. Two of. The inmates suffered gunshot wounds one behind the left ear. One behind a writer and to the right temple. KUDA MAS like I said no prisoners in this deal here. Well that's a hell of a story you know kind of running low on time folks. You need to get this book. I as you can tell all this is one hell of a story. That's a good read and find out exactly what happened in the end. Is there any any last things you want him to look for that book and one of the things things. This book kind of describes a and it's been well received through the correctional community throughout the United States One of the if you go to Amazon and you read the comment that the guy put on there. It's actually refreshing to read a book that was written by somebody that actually worked in prison environment. Yeah instead of somebody money that writes a book about prisons. That doesn't know anything he knows about it now. It gives you the inner workings of how prisons work and it shows you how the inner workings escape will actually Take time to do how they get things in. And out of the institution how they communicate inside now the institution it'll give you the framework Of all of the characters in the book how they managed wind up in the federal prison system. Frank Nash and his crew. Neil KEESA train robbery. Thomas strangehold and Frank Francis Keating Machine Gun Kelly how they wound up after the escape some of going to Alcatraz the outcome of how they all their lives ended and how they some of them became outstanding citizen. Some of never became anything other than an inmate's enter dead or dead and Thomas James Holden actually most people don't he's not an everyday name in in criminal circles goals in today's society. Most people don't realize Thomas James hold and actually would become the very first man of replaced. FBI's most wanted list really his notoriety. As being a bad guy was well documented and Charlie Berta the driver of the car he would actually be sent to Alcatraz contrast and he was actually the last man ever to be placed in what they call the Dutch unit Alcatraz because he was such a malcontent. He he finally gets out of prison and becomes a bartender in a bar in his hometown of San Francisco where he can look out the front door the bar and see al Astra and but the whole story behind itself and how they actually purchased the barrel shoe wax and how they purchased a weapons and everything was all brought out of When I started getting interested in this book back when I first started work at a prison I started collecting anything and everything I could find about this escape which included newspaper articles? I've got pictures from the actual of the Escape Deep Network Hers News Agency photographs that I purchased through Ebay. I got this idea that you know. Hey maybe I should call the FBI guy and send them a four year request and see exactly what they send me. When you're thinking about escape that occurred eighty years prior and you're thinking well the F. B. is probably got one or two pages on it and they'll or they'll tell me Your Adalah and might did you get well? I get this letter and they tell me we're sending you were sending you pages. How much is it GONNA cost? I believe it or not. The only cost me sixty dollars. You Got Lucky. Well they cost me sixty bucks and the FBI. I got I got five envelopes. The contain twenty five hundred pages now and the box and a To compact disc of additional down pages that was amazing. They even the the investigation and some of the things. I wasn't able to because when you write a book if you're all we're ever thinking about writing a book there's things that are part heart of the book and there's things that are not part of the book and I had to decide to leave some of the some of the things out of the book that were not consequential to the escape the the actual outcome of it There were instances where they thought that the Kansas City Mafia had actually finance part of the escape. uh-huh help purchase the weapons and stuff. That didn't pan out all those leads. If all those leads that they followed down a rabbit hole that really don't pan out big investigation lack that the phones start ringing. You start rattling your informants out there and they write down everything and so he'll have a story they wanNA tell and if if interesting if anybody after ever wants to really just find out you know when you sit here and listen to Senate confirmation hearings and and these these guys talk about you know we do a form thirty two and and and we do this and and we. We don't do that. We get yourself I I did get yourself some. FBI files and see exactly how an FBI investigation works and it's amazing what you find in another thing here of two. I'll give a plug to the guys at the National Archives and Records Administration here in Kansas. City they're helpful. They're they're an amazing group individuals to work with and I've worked with many times and the inmate files for Leavenworth or actually on filed with the National Archives here in Kansas City. Devil pershing pershing road and the I went down there. 'cause I asked him I said so. Do you have the court case for when these is guys were tried for escape and they got back with me and said well you know as a matter of fact yes we do. Yeah they've got is amazing what they have and I went down to the National Archives that day. They brought the pile up from caves in Kansas City. Yeah and I was going through the court case and they actually had they except for the weapons opens. They had all of the evidence. Rally that's unusual there to find well as the evidence or anything. I was actually blown away at the fact that they had the they had. The original forged passes that the that the inmates had used to get into the main quarterly institution. They had the hotel tale registry from the Hotel in Cicero Illinois. That Frank Thomas Holden when Francis Keating and all them had Stayed in and I was looking at the registry. They were there several times while the FBI'd ahead of description and Eric how they figured out who the radius were and had pointed out where they had signed under aliases in the in the hotel. And when I was going through there I noticed that Frank Nashes alias was written underneath the name of billy for Shit Tale really and I really I really kinda found that really kind of interesting and that was one of one of the page that I included in the and a book was the fact that you know. Here you've got frank. Nash and crew masterminded an escape. They would actually lead to a very similar escape of the diller crew out of the Michigan City prison in Indiana. And I'm like you know is the ray connection between Green Evelyn for Shit being in the hotel at the same time. Yeah I probably was dull could have been there at that time. How helping them with the planned land so interesting entry? This has been great Ken this has been great. So we'll You know how to go out and find his book and and you're GonNa get a lot of bonuses in that that book and the documents and that he researched in photos and everything and his other book about Leavenworth Prison Acadia Book. It's more of a picture picture picture history of of Leavenworth and just go just go to Amazon and search the name Kenneth Lay master L. A. M. A. S. I T E R and we're GONNA wind on down here folks if you have a.
"frank nash" Discussed on Gangland Wire
"Get involevment. They make friends with a guy by the name of George Machine Gun. Kelly really machine gun. Kelly was a little bit of. I'm an educated man had grown up in the upper middle class section of Memphis Tennessee and he is working in the records office well. UNBEKNOWNST to a lot of people at in the institution George Machine Gun Kelly dumbing passes for inmates nights trustees past work outside the walls the institution. He Dummies two passes for Francis. Kaeding and Thomas Holden they get outside the penitentiary pantry. They walk off so they're gone keady holding Meet with Frank Nash in Cicero Illinois. They've got an inside man that is helping with the plot. They've got a correctional officer that is smuggling communications in in and out of the institution they get word to them at Cicero Illinois. Put The ball forward and they start drumming up this plan to help these guys get out of the institution. Well did they. Were able to get some guns inside the institution in this one too. I noticed down in eastern Oklahoma summit at Huntsville with Bonnie Clyde prison break they smuggle a gun in there to where the work crew could find the gun. Did they did the same thing that they actually Part of the plan was is the guy started watching and paying attention inside to the routine the worst thing in the world that you could do in prison is set a routine. Yeah because inmates. They're they're twenty four hours a day seven days a week they can watch you and figure out what your routine is. You don't ever want to do the same thing two or three times in a row because they know what it is so they started started watching what was going on. They used the business office in the Federal Prison Industries and they ordered a barrel shoe paste because the shoe shoe factory which manufactured at that time all of the shoes at the military were they were inside walls of the institution while they order a barrel shoop pays from the company that The institutional racism from May pick it up hollowed out on the inside put a cachet. They have weapons to include six pistols six rifle one hundred seventeen blasting cap seventeen sticks of dynamite and one hundred hundred feet of blasting chord into an inner tube and sinking into this barrel. A shoe paste man paint it the color that the federal prison recognizes big noses. Yeah and they ship it into the institution that's amazing and once they got the weapons inside the institution they'd be. The biggest plot killer for the escape was frank. Nash and his crew Machine Gun. Kelly and Thomas James Holden Francis Keating had pulled up and and did a robbery of north met resulted in the death of the Bank President Sun and and Charlie Harman and they called. They got news to them and to them. It's ideas tuition telling them. Hey you know if you go. Oh Wow that day. You're on your own. There were hot for X.. Men Shot. We're not going to be down near the plan. was they. Were GonNA pull up in front of the institution with two separate cars that were manned with police radios for clothes for the guy's money for him to get out of the get out of town and that plan. Dan dissolved once. My Bank robbery went to pieces and so they were robbing a bank so that has some cash when they got down for the prison break and once you know in these small towns like this back in those days the the word went out especially if there was a murder lack that the word went out all the little towns around were were on the look. They're probably had a car description at least in and certainly weren't that many cars travelling around any on on the the more through roads. Once did a bonding. Clyde Tori taken. Some of the roads that they talked about them taking like one sixty nine and sixty nine murders or secondary roads now but those are the kinds of some of the only through road roads to get some of these places back in the thirties and and especially if it rain you know those other Rosier Metro. You're getting through them so these local policemen that they'll be looking out for any kind of a car that comes anywhere close and has people that don't really belong at in the country. So yeah they would have been hot. Yeah they so they were on the run and I always tell people from the this escape started falling apart because they picked the worth ward in the world ever take hostage. Yeah they took a guy with name of Thomas Bruce White Thomas Bruce White I grew up in Texas. His father author was a County sheriff and he grew up watching his dad in law enforcement forever and he and his brothers became became members of the Texas Rangers and he was a Texas Ranger for almost ten years became a railroad detective from a railroad detective decides ads in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. He's going to join the. US military and fight in World War One any pay flunks a physical and this guy blame of J. Edgar Hoover come calling and he says hey you know you're kind of the type of guy we're looking forward to form is agency called the Bureau of Investigation. And he him and his brother was. Actually what are the very first F. B. I.. Agents ever hired for the Bureau of Investigation would turn into the FBI on this was a guy who was was awarded. And and this was not just some bureaucrat. That had come up through you know as a good typist in in a connected to some politicians and then got promoted motive in the prison. Industry is what he's saying. Is that girl yeah he he was a very smart individual and and and tough to tough can. How did it go down today? In what what was kind of the overall plan. I guess the overall plan was to take the warden hostage force opened the gate. Well going back to. You don't want to set a routine. What are the things that that Thomas Bruce wight did every morning around? Nine o'clock after the institution. Stop Serving Breakfast and at that point in time one of the things. Everybody's kind of always ask that question. Well it takes three years develops escape. How did they get caught well? Back in the prohibition era when you've got all these gangsters running around you got bootleggers running around. You've got all these laws that the Harrison Narcotics Actors New prohibition is new The interstate transportation stolen vehicles becomes a federal crime. So you're talking about going. From an institution was originally designed to hold fifteen hundred inmates. During nineteen twenties their population was forty. Five hundred allows allows it was double neighbor gobbled up and they had they had inmates everywhere down to and it became a you know a lot of people take a look at the Birdman of Alcatraz and I think we'll just how does a guy maintain a bird aviary inside the walls of a federal prison. Yeah well it was sort of one of those things that they had so many inmates that they were kind of giving them something to do. It's kind of like the OUTTA sight Outta mind if we give you something to do. You're not creating havoc or chaos. So and that's how that works but they had Taken three years to the mastermind. This get anything and everything in and out and get it all set and older born December eleventh nineteen thirty one. Seven inmates put to escape plan to emotion lay lay a pretty well had to run at the inside of the prison. Sounds to me like these guys. Oh yeah a lot of those guys. They worked in and they used force passes to obtain access to what we call the recorder. The if you take a look at pictures of Leavenworth the institution the administration building is out. Front you come in the front door of the institution you pass through three grills now back then there was only two and you would get Access into the institutional the institution has a central Rotunda sorta like the Congressional building in Washington. DC and you walk down a long hallway and at the end of that hallway if you go straight back you've got the dining room on one side the auditorium on the other and you've got two exits one goes towards the west side of the institution one goes towards the east side of the institution to get you access outside while the inmates get up the rear quarter which is on the east side where they're coming from present. These two phony passes to the correctional officers there and lay get access at nearly take him hostage immediately. They've got the guns that got alll the dynamite and they had taken they've got the dynamite the weapons in the institution about three days before that and they had taken a dynamite and actually sweated nitroglycerine. LIZ run out of it by cooking it and put it on a bottle so they got into the main institution and warden was holding conferences. That morning with inmates. It's a hold meetings every morning then mates so used as they were. They knew inmates Rabin coming and going from the win and they knew exactly where he was going to be at any given time and the guy sitting at the desk talking to Frank. Tom White at the time was Fred Barker Mall Barker's a a New Year and the get up to the warden's office get inside the warden's office and they start throwing down and they even took it may toss stage judge. They took the inmates hostage. All the Staff Hostage Palm White Heard Commotion Going on outside its office. First thing he did was he took his car keys out of his pocket. The one hundred eighth his desk and cover them up of the rug and they come in forced him out of the office forced him towards the front door. Will they get to the front door. The institution Anders. This older correction officer and they look at him and tell him open the door and he says might open the door. There's only one man in the world to order me to open this door. And that's the word himself and one of them pulls up a stick dynamite lights a match and he tells me so so. You're not open this door I'm gonNA blow. All the hell. Correctional Officer looks at them. insys domino old man. We'll see each other and hell man as a deaf. Oh bird there and white kind of seeing the situation as it was as if they blow up the front end of the institution because a larger escape so he kind of prevails. Calmer heads I guess and tells the officer said look just open the door let us go out front door. Yeah and and we'll we'll deal with it from there and they start out the front door they've got all these hostages got eleven hostages Dodie they force their way out the door and the officers up in tower there was a main tower that sets out front of Leavenworth and at that time there was a cat walk around the tower one of the officers recognizes. What's going on at the moment? What they step out on the Front Portico of the institution and he jumps up and rips the canvas off of a One thousand nine hundred nineteen seventeen belt fed. Yeah I was GONNA say Browning rounding machine gun he would have been armed with at least be ours up there but they had a bad mouthing grounded. Wow and he pulls a canvasback awards like Hayes. Let's let's think about what's going on a minute wait a minute. I'm down there. So they get down to the bottom of the stairs and they grab white start across the front lawn with him towards warden's house which at that point time was on the front lawn of the tuition. They they start out over the the lawn and the guy in the armory opens fire on them late. Start to return fire and whitest once again. He he tells them. Hey you you know. Let's think about what we're doing here we've got you know houses across the street and really innocent people doing whatever and they got all the way to the warden's house jump in his garage. They jump in his car and the inmates. Say where's the keys. I left them in my office..
"frank nash" Discussed on Gangland Wire
"Now we'll give you a gift certificate to get a kindle version of my book leaving Vegas Out. FBI wiretaps mob domination of Las Vegas Casinos or my my new movie. Brothers against brothers The Sevilla Spiro War. And then had the old standby gangland wire so without any more commercial breaks. Let's let's introduce Kenneth Master. Welcome candidates really Great Abbey here. It's absolute pleasure to be here so Kenneth You wrote a book. The title of the book is Let me get this down. That's a that's a mouthful you WANNA say tattle your book. The part of the book is Leavenworth. Seven deadly 1931 prison break and that Nets an interesting prison break folks folks. That was a lot of the the roving gangs of bank robbers in the Nineteen Thirties. Broke out what two or three different prisons I believe at the time Sometime in the neck those two or three years of mining clad broke some people out down in Huntsville or Eastham prison farm and much. These guys broke Gavin Leavenworth and they went on to bank robbing spree and ended up in the big shootout up. Little Bohemia did podcastone dillinger at little bohemia showdown but Gareth. Let's Ah Delo weren't average out there a little bit about your history of kind of interesting history any nap with your even a prison guard up there in Leavenworth for quite some time correct. That is correct. Correct I I always tell people that I did life on the installment plan eight hours at a time. I started out my career as a correctional specialist in the US Army. I served at Fort Leavenworth military prison. There towards the end of my first three years in the military met this little girl and fell in love and we got married and I decided I was going to spend my time in Kansas so I went to work for the Kansas State penitentiary when it was still the Kansas state penitentiary and little all over a year and after that I went to work at the United States Penitentiary Leavenworth and worked there for twenty seven years. So from nineteen seventy nine two thousand ten when I served as a correctional professional. Wow you use all of our mobsters go through there from down here in Kansas City. Didn't you a lot of acquaintances for EH. Not only the Kansas City mob mob all over the country. I've John Stand for work for me for about eight years. Really new Tuffy to Luna had conversations with Russell Bufalino about what they did with Jimmy Hoffa interesting interesting. That's really topical right now. Yeah I guess. You've seen the Irishman. I saw the Irishman. And I gotta say that Joe Pass. She does an excellent Russell Buffalo. No Hair Dad's folks from a man who actually they knows Russell Move Lino and interacted with him over a period of time. We'll give Joe Patchy thumbs up for his His portrayal love the the famous mob. Boss from he was from Pennsylvania New York upstate. Pennsylvania is like it's hard to put put a particular city like Gaudy New York Knicks Belen and Kansas City. Tony ACCARDO and Chicago. Those guys you now. Buffalo Lino have the I guess. Northern Pennsylvania Stanford had the southern part of Pennsylvania. Okay Yeah Philadelphia Area and all that mess. That happened down there and racing. Entertainment may have to come back and do some more shows on on those guys time and crew. Yeah I'LL BET and one quick question is like we've seen in the movies. Do they get some of their own food and liked to cook their own Back in cell block where they all kind of have will be housed in an that. Same kind of general vicinity tier of a wing or something. They actually do house them. Pretty much basically close together and back back. When I first started leavenworth they had a in diesel house? It was called the old man's wing and all the older mobsters Russell. Buffa Lino Tito from Mira. Henry Borelli all of those guys were living in the cell house but they were living on the lower galleries and the rest of the top galleries. Respod Bod- Gallery side by the city walk and a half long and the younger guys were upstairs. They were just regular everyday run of the mill criminals but the the mafia pretty much held at down. Downstairs Christiaan divvied. It was part of the French connection. Oh Yeah Crew New York and on up to Montreal. Yeah and he was. He was there at the time. And I know some of your listeners may know who Phil Garrido was Familiar with that was the guy a couple of years ago that was found holding a woman out in his backyard in Vegas and his wife and him were. His wife was kind of strange Doug herself but they were holding a young girl out in the backyard and had a child was out in makeshift. Shed you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember that he was he was there at the institution at the time. Interesting seen some interesting people corrections is one of those jobs that you see something every day that Mexico. Yeah I know. We've got our friend from David who was a guard at Marian that has a is not podcast is more like a youtube podcast. He does a youtube videos and tell stories out of Marion Penitentiary So it's called as a key returns you guys. If you haven't ever taken look at as a key turns on Youtube you take a look at them those stories. He's been on here. He's a guy that he told us a story about when John Gotti I. I hit the cell block at Marian. He was one of the guards he said he said the man's lined up but like it was the king was coming in and and really gave him huge respect until the end and what that beat him so bad it almost guilty John Stanford was the same way when he got. The Leavenworth has the his. The following was quite really well quite well. And I mean you've got figureheads like that with the Mafia they you've got a crew. That actually walks walks around them. Protects them keeps them from getting beat on. Yeah most of the other inmates no they. They're not messing with those guys mess with them interesting. Well some things. Sometimes that life does imitate art. Maybe art looked at life and and then created in the movies. Sometimes I mean looking at the Irishman when I was like I I've seen that before kind of how people relate to each other. Oh Yeah respect this kind of you know the the the higher up you go the better it is what it that way so you also were the historian effort. Leavenworth correct. I I I I kind of got that job by the fault I had A. I've amassed over the course of my career probably three or four four thousand photographs of the military prison and the US Benetton uniforms badges. But I've probably got the got it somewhere in a box somewhere and done a lot of reading nurse including mine my two books on the penitentiary. Lovemore seven the. US Penitentiary Leavenworth. I've I know of about thirty three books that are written. It have some type of story line that deals with Leavenworth. Wow So let's talk about your most recent book first of all you. You mentioned that other book talk. Just just tell folks a little bit what that's about it and how they can get it. It's it's more of a picture book. It's I'm one of these kind of I. Don't jump in the middle of the pool. I kind of stick Matola into sea order like I understand and the first three books I wrote were basically photographic histories since I it was at the US or the penitentiary for twenty seven years. I wrote a pictorial history of the federal prison through Arcadia Publishing and then did a book On Fort Leavenworth goes I was stationed there and then a book on the city eleven worth and the development of the city of Leavenworth in its early stages. And they've draw a lot of interest in the Federal Prison Book. USB Leavenworth has brought a lot of interest from a lot of different people throughout the United States it's carries on from the very earliest beginnings of the institution all the way through the modern era of corrections that tells the development of the institution itution White was developed. Who always there? I've got pictures of the bird. Man and Carl paying Ram Frank Nash. Frank Nitty cool. So how would person get those books. They're all on Amazon. They're all on Amazon They can Do you have other pates. Can they just hired Kenneth the master if they put them master okay and the search engine of their little old computers at home. They'll find out more about me than I know about myself and then just go to Amazon Lincoln. Of course we'll go. You'll find the podcast. Once it goes up to but Just go to the Amazon Lincoln. And you'll oh find out those books so let's talk about your most recent book. The Leavenworth seven the deadly nineteen thirty. One prison break ended. That come about the escape actually took about three years to master minded. pull off the crew. That was actually broken out. Seven of them. The four of those guys. We're members of Frank Nashes crew. The man who was killed at Union station massacre and most people don't realize it Frank Nash mostly as they know about the union station massacre. But he really know very little about Frank Nash. Nash was a mastermind. His father ran hotels in Bartlesville Oklahoma and he had uncanny ability to talk to people uncanny ability and he could schmooze his way. He actually talked his way out of the Oklahoma territorial prison three separate occasions one occasion. I'll join the army okay. They let him join the army. He actually fought World War One. Second time. I've got some business to take care of Bartlesville. I'll go ahead. You're okay and he would his personality was he could win over. Just just about anybody and Frank Nash. When he was Ed McAlister had became friends with Al Spencer L.? Spencer was a territorial cowboy that fashion himself after Jesse James and the media had followed him for quite some time until they just kind of realized that. Hey this guy's pulling off bank robberies. But he's pulling off robberies that are only netting twenty five bucks seventeen dollars just just odd pennies and nickels. Title's off of what the Henry stores and everybody else was fallen off at the time and it started kind of making fun of him. While Spencer decided he was going to leave an indelible billable mark in the history of Oklahoma and decided he was going to rob a train Jesse James E was going back to Jesse James and Frank Nash. Rush being the masterminded he was he was L. Spencer's lieutenant in his crew. He went out and surveyed. What they could rob Bob and they wound up rob indicate limited the MCAT railroad in O'Keefe's Oklahoma which in itself would wind up being the last armed train robbery in the history of Oklahoma and when they pulled his arm train robbery off half the crew had never pulled off an arm train robbery and her life life had one guy grover cdl which was one of the seven was broke out? He smashed the firemen in the in the engine. Ad Within Frank Nash. The whole time robberies going off frank national standard talk in politics and calm cool collected and national figure it out we rob this and he told the guys when they robbed a strain leave the federal bonds alone. We could get our way out of mcallister. We'd get our way the the situation in Oklahoma but if you touch the federal bonds to run this train we can't get ourselves out of the Federal Prison Well L. Spencer decided he was just GonNa take it all. He took everything off the train including federal bonds and all the guys were caught within a short period period of time. So that's what got the feds and they ended up in Leavenworth and that's how they ended up in Leavenworth. And when I got the Leavenworth Frank Nash. Storage shortage SMOOTHENS schmoozing himself away around the institution. Yeah he knows that game. He knows how to play the game. I know another guy that did that. If a Marian he knew how to play that Game Hey and he talked himself into a job that was a sweet as it can be. He was the head Cook in Deputy Wardens House out on the front lawn of the institution. Yeah I've seen that house and he did the interesting bull enough. His Assistant Cook was Frank. Nitty really well. Oh Frank Nash. One afternoon decides to he goes out to the front gate of the prison tells the altar. He's got a party to cook for down at the deputy warden sales force they they let him out. He goes down to the House about nine thirty. They call up the house and said Hey. Nash has got to get back over here for the ten o'clock count nationally. Been in over here all day. And he's gone and the same way with The couple of other crew that helped Nash masterminded reminded escape. Was Thomas. James Holden and Francis Keating they were put in Leavenworth for Robin Evergreen Park Mail train in Evergreen Park Illinois and they'd actually got away with the robbery of the train for over two years and another crew pulled off the the exact same style robbery using all of the techniques that Keating Holden abused they pull his train robbery the off they get caught the FBI figures out who pulled off the initial train robbery. So they send that crew plus Holden and Keating the Leavenworth breath.
"frank nash" Discussed on No Such Thing As A Fish
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Yeah Yeah and so I went in with outside in and they showed casino so the death scene of the topic and then the rest is a flashback. Cool so if you did miss that what I see the film all the film. You should know that this this is the film around and Moana's of demi-god sidekick in the film is Maui who was a real God rampant and God in demi-god the Go-to in Pacific theology and he exists all over the Pacific islands so like in Hawaii is very important but Tahiti Samoa. The the Maori people they will have slightly different versions of him but there is a version. He's a real trickster character. He's a Prankster Whitey. Bolger or capone. Frank Nash Murderer who is he. He doesn't he's just a little prankster and one of the away he dies is when he's trying to become immortal. And the way decides to do this is to enter the goddess of death who scored Nui Teppo to get in through join up pluck out her heart on the way up to her mouth and emerged from her mouth and apparently this will reverse the birth process and make them immortal identical scientifically accurate. Anyway he does this bird friends with him so some bird to his mates and he says please don't laugh while a do this because she'll wake up and they couldn't hold because it's quite someone climb through China. She woke up and she stop little teeth in China. which real have that is quite a story? She's really she's described as the goddess of death. Yes or metality Tallahassee. I think she's very vivid description in the midst she's got is of greenstone have kelp and the mouth of Barracuda as well as of course having a toothy China a bit like Maura ill. They've got really big teeth haven't they gotta they do. They've got like a forensic jar like alien. Oh Yeah and they got they got backwards teeth so that if you accidentally swim the mouth he cuts them out. Gosh I'm on my what big teeth you have. An and what a surprise now mowing well actually we. He said that he didn't his pranks. Didn't kill anyone. I think that is true. Perhaps I don't know of any but did but he did. Once go fishing with a guy called era ru who was the husband suspended his sister and he was so annoyed with Arou- Oru that he turned him into a dog. ooh that was the first ever Doug. And that's what dogs come from because 'cause Maui actually if you know the song from WanNa you're welcome which is big song. It's all about the things which he did. So He created the moon and the sun and the wind and all these different different things and he pulls the islands up from the ocean floor didn't he he had he had a magic jawbone which according to some of the most is the Jawbone of his grandmother bird is also so quite big so she must have been huge and he did things useful things with it so he used as a Fishhook to pull up islands from the ocean floor and actually the names of North Island and South Island in New Zealand. Now are Tika our Maui. Anti Watteau Maui. Which means fish of Mary and Canoe of Maui because that's uh-huh when he caught fish and turned into an island and he turned his canoe into another island was turning stuff in Thailand? Great raise the sky. That was the thing he did. This sky was pressed down close to the earth so if the height of a tall tree it was brought down to their so it's obviously very restrictive for everybody and He just lifted it up. Upton Brian to a very high peak and chuck it up. There would be so annoying. This guy was not loaded so it wouldn't you head on it but you have to fly a drone. Yeah so another character in Moana is to feces got comes up at the end. She's actually based on Pella. Who is a genuine goddess in Hawaiian mythology? And she's not the most important. God escalated volcanoes stuff like that was like the big volcano volcano in Hawaii is called Mount Pelee appeal has that's kind of her embodiment human too I pay tribute to it when you go there. Ah Did you not know this for so long you meant to give it some brandy. I think it is you go for Gin. Pull Jin she loves Jin Yeah. There was a hog. God Cooled Camera. Who are from shoreham pronouncing wrong But he married Pele. The fire got us and his habits were so bad because he was hulk that She couldn't cope that huge arguments. And eventually she won all the arguments and he was forced to surrender and turned himself into a fish. Oh and that is a Hawaiian fish. And it's the one with the best name. I think we might have talked about it before. Mac GonNa have a crocodile. It's called the Moon Nuku Nuku and it makes his grunting. Noise switch apparently sounds a bit like a hog which is because it used to be a hog. When he's that was always a relationship that was gonna fail between the volcano? A hug.
"frank nash" Discussed on The Common Cents Show
"I used to build their businesses single member organizations to over multi millions in revenue and Multi Unit operation he here you just show up at eight o'clock all dirty and stuff so you know I definitely get that so I think that's smart yeah this is a good point so like Johnson I had to do it all over again I would do differently so I had an investor who gave me alone that a business loan to start and I spent way more money than I should have looking back on it I would have spent a fracture one of the money that is spent to open up now I say that say that I'm very proud of the facility that we put together but if I had to do it all again I would start small I would not take on so much debt right away and then build up as one of my former guests said I would grow at the rate of cash so as I got more clients in more business in my monthly eft amount went up a monthly revenue went up then I would grow the business at that rate but as it as it was I had investor and he had deep pockets and I use them not knowing any better I thought more was better in I'm here to tell you that's not the case I'm not drowning in debt but if I had my chance I hate debt in if I had my chance on my chance to it over again I would not do it so I took out a hundred thousand dollar loan and did the build out in the equipment and all that good stuff so at the investor and so it was at one of your clients or family friends that you were working with a client of mine that actually it's part of the Bush family so he he was a good client known I help them out quite a bit he was in pretty bad shape when he came to me and we got him back to where he could do some things that really enjoy like travel and gone some fishing trips and things like that without any fear of him getting hurt while he was doing these things so he was very grateful and he showed his gratitude by helping me start my own business so his question so a lot of it people who borrow money have fears how are you able to get over your fears of barring the money given that you'd never bothered that much money before the past what were you able to do in terms of organizing yourself to spend that much money yet again it's a it's a learning curve I was a trainer starting a business and I didn't know I hadn't started the climb that learning curve to it that skill set of being a business owner instead of a trainer so when I started my business I was looking at it through the Lens of a trainer not a business owner again which is where a lot of the mistakes came from if I again if I had to do it all over again I would change it a lot mostly with the debt and growing at the rate of cash those are the two biggest things start small and growth rate of cash. That's what I would recommend to anybody but for me getting back to your original point I made local mistakes of bought all this equipment I overspent on equipment I under spent on marketing in ahead full confidence in my business plan which blew up the minute I walk open the doors and had to make changes right away I could tell by your laughter that you guys can relate to that Oh yeah you know you have to you have to make some real world pivots on the fly which I did in there are some I won't lie there was some lane times man times on thinking am I gonNa have enough to you know make payroll things like that and but I I just stuck with it and I stuck with advice the biggest thing for me was getting mastermind group and finding business coach in get off the phone with Thomas in he we identify the problems he giving some projects to work on some homework and I do it so the one of the first things we identifies that I had a marketing problem as Thomas said you have to feed that pig so we jumped on it and we started marketing and we established the marketing budget schedule Strategy Tactics targets you know as far as how many people that we how many leads we will wanted to generate of those leads how many people we need to get on trials each month and out of those trials what percentage we need to convert that to break even and then to make profits so those are the same numbers that we use today to grow the business is that we look at marketing what's working what's not what's our return on investment on our marketing efforts we've got away from a lot of the social media stuff and we do a lot of a lot more community stuff because expe- moving the needle more these days for us and then we stick to the same you know as far as Leeds trials in new memberships it's interesting because one of the things that you didn't say I didn't hear you say at lease was about the work of the technician and I know in the you book. It's one of the things that Garbo talks which is fatal assumption that just because you know just because you know the technical work of the job doesn't necessarily mean that you you know how to run a business you don't even Jonathan Yeah Yeah Yeah now those that's like a completely different skill set but I did actually want to ask a question so I know that you ended up moving But I assume before you had like quite a large clientele base were you able to use that to tap into to to help you get started with your new studio it's funny that you say that and I had a conversation with Frank Nash about this on my pod cash podcast is yeah I did have a had a tremendously loyal following I had clients that I've been training for twenty yes years which is you know nowadays unheard of So I had a loyal following and when I was renting space in the studio I had twenty five thirty clients Just all on my own and but I was doing sessions and then when I opened up the business and I started doing eft you and I started bringing on other trainers and I started the systemized the training sessions and things like that and then so as I sorted install those systems in the business and my clients starting to see more and more of my staff and less and less of me on the training for they let so as as my training as my training model grew and I and I structured it to ski AOL so it's not just me it's not limited by my time in my ability but but by the system and the model that I was running when I started to do that I noticed that the type of clients that I was attracting change so it evolved as my business model evolved started to grow so did my clients. Yeah that's like that's so powerful I can definitely relate you know it's funny yeah because today like for myself like you know been in business eight years now obviously over time you're going to grow but I'll still have people who are like my very first clients that'll be like you know I don't want anybody else but Jonathan to come here and it's like you know it doesn't quite work like that anymore make you know like or if I do it's GonNa charge it for me right yeah because as you start to run the business your time becomes more valuable because it you know you look at the bigger picture of things the whole business the whole model and trying to scale it in you want it you need to get away from doing those technical things as much as you love them you know it's an and the irony in you know as a technician that starts their own business they get into it because they love it right they love being a technician I love being a trainer but when you start a training business to one thing you do the least of is train train client you know if you're really growing yeah right exactly like you really become a marketer right like emmy you're not just a trainer in now a marketer like into like what you said I like I like what you said about you have to feed the big I don't even yeah yeah while you become a marketer you become a manager managing employees managing systems manager gene KPI's Things like that that give you a sense of how the business is doing and where you need to put your efforts let's talk about the second business plan that you wrote like I know you wrote the initial plan and then you had met with Tom Plummer but events pleased that you blew the plan up and then you created something the second time around the actually work for you so what is it that you created the second time around and that actually worked for you as opposed to the first one after you you know kind of blue that That I plan up while I was trying to do too many things so I had to had to whittle down when I first started up I had like these peleton bikes we still have the peleton bikes AH wanted to be a one stop shop and we were doing classes we're on class pass and we were doing small group and we just did in have enough space to do all of that and we didn't do it all well we sucked at large group oh we stopped doing it and we just focused on small group and growing that so that was the probably the first in the the most the biggest pivot that we may right off the bat was getting away from what we didn't do well in concentrating on what we did do well in trying to grow that yeah no this as far as like some of the the conversations we had I feel like this one is the most powerful because you talking about the business plan and you know sometimes you know especially as entrepreneurs that's kind of why we are entrepreneurs because we have the ability to like look out Afar and see something that is in the future and we're able to put it down on paper and so you get these business plans that are super super detailed with all these finite details and get really granular but at some point to you also asked why I liked what you said like that honesty with yourself where I if there's one takeaway our listeners can take here is don't be afraid to make changes to your plan like yes half a plan it's awesome you know go forward but also we'll be open minded and flexible because things might come up you know I would say a good word for it be like half a dynamic plan but I love that you know like some people might come into it and like you know what we're going to cater to every single person's gonNA walk the door we're going to do small group sessions and large group sessions and middle sized group sessions but you know you said you say hey you know what we're not really great at the large group sessions let's let's bring it down to the small group and there's a lot of power in that so that's a really good takeaway like we had episode was stay in your lane yeah yeah and that's really goes back into that it's like there's so much more value and ability to even charge more really and you looked you looked at Moore's an expert in that area when you just stay in Elena really focus on that niche part of Your Business Yeah absolutely and in we're where we are in Saint Louis it's it's an affluent area in a market is saturated in everybody you know.
"frank nash" Discussed on FanBros
"Cuckoo? Hey, everybody. Welcome to another sketchy persona out of bars where we talk about everything and not so great and the world Annemie as always I have with me you guys pay Trevor Belmont, baby. Moms like Earl. Earl Earl to be back, and you know, it's girl TM will car Dracula Queen of the dead baby moms, I keep all vampire based in. My pocket was. Just what else did you expect? We are hoops clean. You know, we've been gone for a minute. I feel like I say this every time we dropping, but we back with the jump off. And you know, we didn't want to leave an end this year without giving the kids giving family give you never heard some half fire to listen during the holidays, whatever you celebrate. So you know, it's been quite a year two thousand eighteen quite a year. It's been a long s year, but also quick s year. I don't know how that works. But there's been a lot of anime content. That has dropped this year is slow. You know, we wanted to talk about some of those things sip of our faves, maybe some shit that was kinda wack. We just go free bullet like we always do. But really we just really wanted to touch on what our favorite animates up two thousand eighteen were and yeah, she'll be start with yours. Yes. First of all, I wanna say don't be like me. Okay. When the new year starts just start making the list of all the shit that you are enjoying because you're going to tell yourself what I'm not some old ho I'm Duckie gonna remember all of this gracious die. Big mistake. Like, I had to scramble in go through my mind to think of all these so is not in any particular order. Right. It's not like most important or least recreates winning deathly forgot you see. That's definitely Biddle might top lose y'all recruiters was so fire. Doug, like, I so y'all mill that I am a very emotional soft baby. And I mean like I like a little bit of the little bit of the fighting fight. But not too much. And recruiters somehow was able to balance both of them, and it's on Amazon guys like Amazon is an evil hell mouth of corporation. A are. They are. They are the worst. Don't let an Amazon listening device into your home. I am begging you it is a tool. Babylon you outside the Bicester my sister's like should we get dad one of those for Christmas? And I was like, no we circumstance you don't get that for someone that you you don't have some wine corporate survey. We get that made regular bluetooth speaker. Daddy, does not need a Google home at Alexa. No, we don't need that kind of demon Babylon energy in a house out even live even live there anymore. But we don't need it in our house I reveal kit, I won't even suggested to my own parents because I might add is not super technologically savvy. But he knows how to shout. So definitely just Alexa. Just you know, just I don't have the time. True. My Jeff for absolutely. So like, so minus the deep moral issues with Amazon as an organization we got way off Vic sorry. Sorry. Sorry. No, no. It's like recruiters was so well done like may took every single anime, John. Right. Like, you have like the Kauai e magic girls you have like the dark and twisty scary bitches. You have like the actual like like major girls, and then you have like V unassuming doofus met like every single character. It's almost like. Fate day. On drugs. It's some wild shit. Like it has action it has drama his like slight romance. But not really not too much where you're gonna be like, you know, what I mean? But like, it's it is that it's hat fire. It's the perfect amount. Honestly, because sometimes like romance animates thing, you're just like all right? This is just like some it gets. It can be like to sweet with like the romance and stuff like that. Right. This was like the perfect amount and the fight scenes are unparalleled. Yeah. And this is as somebody who stopped in the middle because I had to recover from care to that. I loved being a grueling don't bring that. It was very stressful. Y'all know that if anything is stressful. I will turn off my television like s tem came here. She does it all the time actually regularly. She'll be like why are you three weeks behind? I'm like mine your business. Okay. Emotionally, recovering from whatever. The fuck. I just saw so recruiters is at the top of my list, we can go one to one. So you can go next. So I when I was like going through like what was my favorites deficit was going through like my crunchy roll history to go back and see what I was watching dog. This year has been so long that I forgot darling in the Franks came out this year. I thought I should try that was your face. Yeah. I thought I should drop in two thousand seventeen and it actually jumped the gaming of this year. And and then it's like kind of bitter sweet because it was like the anime that deny like where screaming at show pay to watch. The she still hasn't watched. But it's fine. Will you have now? I haven't even started to talk about Shing. Right. So finish it. So our pizza anime mom, but I know this probably would have been on her topless because like this shit was fucking great. And it was a romance enemy, and y'all know this this over here is Queen of darkness in action. I want I just want motherfuckers get blown up and cut in all kinds of kung FU high yacht type shit, and it was a romance enemy that didn't make me vomit in my mouth because the bushes. So well done and there was still so much action in it. But I I'm kinda wanna go back and watch it. But I cried a lot of the Franks admitted why you so motion than I wanna watch this. Okay. Maybe I'll add that to my Holland s like, darling, the Franks was was that girl. Like, it really was that girl. Like, I mean, there were a lot of other great enemies that came out this year, but we will start from the top like the top of two thousand eighteen Darlie in the Franks Nash it came out. I really swear it came at the end of two thousand seventeen but when I looked it was like no two thousand eighteen like damn been quite a year. But yes, definitely darling, the Franks, and this is not in particular order. But this if I had like a top five this would probably be in my top three of animated, our watch this year that will make sure I'll put that on my list. So in true me faction, the ancient Megan's bride. Okay. I've been ringing that that came out this year. I feel like it did like now I'm just doing my favorites that I remember watching this year. I don't think the ancient mega says bride was from last year. Let's go. I'm you keep talking. I'm going to Google viz. Yes. So the ancient mega says bride was definitely mush it outs. Now show pay it came out. It started last fall. But it ended this spring so in ended this. Yeah. Hand like twenty four episodes. Okay. That's fine. Well, we'll move onto a little definitely show Agra suco on Netflix. Oh, yeah. That was in March in again, it is so different from what we usually watch. Because you see all these animated like animals, you think it's going to be like some cutesy shit. But really it is like if you ever saw a office space, it's like that. But with animals everyone can relate to like having annoying nosy co workers in having possibly an incompetent misogynistic boss having asked casing co workers. And then like randomly having people in your office who exude being like bad essence in he wanted emulate them. And he want to like, how can I be part of, you know, their group or whatever the fuck, and it's just I was surprised by how good it was. And also, I didn't realize how much rage I had at my former employers because I definitely. To lay down a couple of times because you're just like, it's so. Right. Like is somebody watching me at work? And then you get mad all over again. Because it's like why do we all relate with these shitty? Workplaces you know, it's a lie. Most of us work really shitty. Workplaces or half or have worked should work places. Like if you don't currently work in one you have probably worked in one. And that's what made it like so funny because I mean, my they blew my bosses not misogynistic. But you know, I did with some incompetent upper level people at my job. And it's just like you just have those relight bitch for rail. Like, you get paid the big bucks. And you're
"frank nash" Discussed on The FitCast
"I highly recommend if you're a business owner going to the nfc events thomas plummer speaks column gardy up in new hampshire tsekos kettle bell he speaks there justin grenell who's out in at state of fitness and in michigan and frank nashes there there's this cast of business owners that shares a such a wealth of knowledge with everyone on how to be able to create systems that work but there's an interesting point that tom plummer makes and he's there all all these guys are they they run facebook marketing like pros right they and their learning how the algorithms are changing and what the best way to get responses get people to to actually reach out to you and take take action from the ads but tom said that an interesting stat is that regardless of the audiences that you're targeting of what their interests are and who they are gender or whatnot he said it really comes down to you know mileage what their proximity is to your location and how much you spend and he said the threshold that you need to spend thousands dollars a month right and he said there's something that facebook triggers that allow for when you're spending up towards that not everyone has that money and that's okay but it's but it's a paradigm shift that some business owners and this is an i'm having this conversation with you because this is a common conversation i have with other business owners who are like oh i threw one hundred bucks on this ad and saying that they they're lens needs to shift towards understanding what in terms of real viewership and audiences are right and you need to have those same people seeing that those ads it's it's that constant in your face you know and you changing up what they're seeing what we do at rebirth and i was going to bring us up a while back was as we do a lot of content based ads so their their advertisements that we run off of our main site on square pace squarespace pages.
"frank nash" Discussed on The FitCast
"Yeah you're a destination i'm yeah i'm a destination but yeah it's it's been it's been really fascinating and again the reason why like wanna show this stuff is you know i think it is important in we were talking before this you know this is probably the hardest thing you can do in the industry because you have to have a substantial amount of investment yes i mean i could probably have done this for twenty thousand bucks i could have done it a lot cheaper had half the equipment and all that stuff but in this area i've also discovered from talking with people is that they want to pay more and we talked about this and it's perceived value it is proceeds value and some of the folks like that's all you charge i don't know because i live in an area where like the average house values like over one and a half million dollars totally well i think this goes back to a conversation that we had maybe a month or two ago when we're talking about we were talking about pricing right and and founders rates and things like that and i said you know i think it's important to look at the market and say that there's not one right answer right you have to test your market you have to test what the market's going to bare but when you look at trends and we look at and this is stuff that i learned my business coaches rick mayo with alloy frank nash who's been on the show he's amazing i go to the nf events you know constantly hear the same things over and over again so it takes a while to set in or what you're willing to take action on it's a hundred percent right it does even after you guys multiple people have been told me things to do unlike i don't need to like come on.