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"This is boxing with Chris Mannix or somebody punch him in the face Hosted by SI's Chris Mannix That was my moment now with interviews Analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing when you have talent you are given another chance. Here's Chris Mannix This is boxing with Chris Mannix part of the volume sports Podcast Network we are live on amp Make sure you get the first listen of every show on the volume network on amp Subscribe to the volume feed on amp subscribe to my feet at Chris Mannix on amp as well and never miss a show when it Comes out about a day earlier. So it's always good to get an early version of the episode We are loaded up on this show today. Cory Erdman writer boxing scene calm Broadcaster extraordinaire. He had a busy weekend last weekend, Tijuana, Los Angeles He'll be in Orlando with me this weekend for the rich the hitchens Jose Zepeda headline cards a matchroom card live on Dizzone we'll talk to Cory about all the news in boxing from Williams a paid his win This past weekends hitchens against the pay to some other things going on in boxing as well a little bit later Joe Joyce the juggernaut he will join me from England Joe has got a big rematch coming up on Saturday He's gonna take on Jay Li Zhang in a rematch of a fight that Joyce lost by knockout at Joe Joyce's advanced age Pretty much winter go home for Joe So a major moment for Joe Joyce over in the UK this we got to talk to him about that plus I get his take on Tyson Fury against Francis Nagano Joyce has had the experience of Sparring both men Tyson Fury and Francis Nagano gives me his take on how that fight could play out in Saudi Arabia About a month and a half from now But first Cory Erdman senior writer boxing scene calm racking up the miles over the last couple of weeks Tijuana, Los Angeles Orlando this weekend, hopefully you're getting some married points there as well Cory you did get a chance to see a pretty compelling Lightweight fighter. I'm not even gonna call Williams a paid a prospect anymore is on the cusp of 30 wins And he continues to beat quality opposition this time it was mercito Hesta who lasted all of five-plus rounds before Zepeda eventually stopped him He stopped him the same way that he stopped Hector Tanahara that he overwhelmed guys like Renee Alvarado and Joe Joe Diaz just an unbelievable Volume of punches is one of them the most prolific punchers in Boxing today against Hesta who like has to come up short in his most recent world title challenges But he was coming off a legitimate win over Joe Joe Diaz He had quality trainers in his corner led by Marvin Simodio and uh, he was just taken out, you know, five-plus rounds That was it for Mercito Hesta, so let's start there Your overall thoughts on Williams a paid his performance last Saturday I mean, he is just such an overwhelming volume puncher I think that he's taking volume punching almost to another level, you know I don't want to say that he's The busiest fighter that I've ever seen but he's right up there with the types of guys who have broken CompuBox numbers in the past, you know, super super volume punchers guys like Zach Padilla and you know Ray Olivera guys like that who throw like a hundred and twenty per round Manuel Medina He's taking it to another level and he's doing it on a high level, too You know, he's not just kind of like a Jesus Soto Karas type who is an extreme volume puncher But seems to have a ceiling we don't really know what Cepeda ceiling is right now But I think you were right in saying that he's no longer a prospect anymore This is a legitimate lightweight contender And in fact when you look at what Cepeda has accomplished right now the types of guys that he's beaten He doesn't have the resume of the big names that he's chasing right now He doesn't have the resume of you know, obviously a Tank Davis or a Devin Haney Guys like that, but the guys that he's in and around when you look at the the ring ratings, you know Say, you know an Isaac Cruz or a Frank Martin His resume is right there with him and the way that he's doing it is even more Definitive than the way that those types of guys have beaten their opposition on the way up So I mean stylistically he's gonna be a nightmare for absolutely anybody It's not gonna be an easy night for anyone even if you think that the bigger names wind up beating him and you know That that may very well be it's not gonna be easy He's going to demand something of you physically that no one in that division is going to ask of you And that's gonna make for compelling television.
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"Regis Progray is a multi-time champion at 140 pounds. This has been his weight class for a number of years. He, to me, is the best guy at 140 pounds, and for Haney to move up and fight the very best guy, I'm impressed by that, I really am. I just hope he's not looking at that Progray performance as saying, well, that's who Regis Progray is. The guy Regis Progray is is the guy we saw go narrowly lose over in Wales to a prime Josh Taylor, a guy we saw flatten Jose Zepeda in a title fight. So I think that he's gotta be real careful engaging with Regis Progray, because if you trade with Regis Progray, Regis is gonna knock you out. And Devin Haney's too smart for that, and that's the reason he's building a quiet, great resume. And I don't see him overlooking a fighter like Progray at all. You know, Haney takes these challenges upon himself to shut a lot of people up. And that's what I mean by quietly being great. You know, he's not doing it, you know, he's not doing it loud. He's not, you know, he's not talking a lot of shit. He's not going after, you know, a social media guy. He's not doing all that. He's doing it the way it's supposed to be, inside the ring. And he's doing it with respect as well, you know. He does all his talking in the ring. He even goes across the world to Australia, like you said. You know how hard is it for a world champion to do that? You know, normally it's like, no, you come to me. No, he's going to the fire. Not only that, a lot of fighters use the promotional or network obligations as an excuse. Oh, well, I can't cross the street. Not Devin Aimee, he said it. Mr. Eddie Hearn and Matchroom Promotions, you have done great by me, but let me just go see what's on Cross Street. I might be back, you've treated me well. Same thing Canelo did. These are fighters, these are great champions that have taken the bull by the horns and become their own businessman. And in the fight, you got to respect that. And I got to respect that myself, everyone does. I couldn't agree more about, you know, fighters having control of their careers because whenever fighters do it, it tends to work out pretty well for them. I mean, Miguel Cotto did it, and he had a lot of success and made a lot of money. Currently, Canelo Alvarez is doing it. Devin Aimee fights the first stage of his career, or at least the high-profile stage under Eddie Hearn, makes a lot of money, goes over to top rank, makes even more money, gets some legacy-defining fights, and now he's back working with Eddie for his first foray into 140 pounds. I think more fighters should do it. I don't understand why guys just align themselves with one promoter, one advisor, one match, whatever it may be, I never really- Whenever you get that great name, you're allowed to do that. Pacquiao did it, you know, there's another one. Floyd Mayweather did it, you know, they already built a resume. Although, I mean, Devin Haney, though, didn't have a resume at the time. I mean, Devin Haney's still one of the younger, you know, champions that were out there. So, you know, he did it at a little earlier stage than some of these other guys. Most of the other guys that do it, they're over the age of 30. Devin Haney's been doing it in his 20s, which I think is not unique, but it's certainly rare for him. So I hope that fight gets finalized, I think it's going to be great, supposedly going to take place in San Francisco sometime early December. That is going to be a must-watch if that fight comes together. Last thing for you, Sergio, we've got a good fight over on Dizon this weekend. You got William Zepeda against Bracito Hesta. You and I, I think both agree that Zepeda probably going to win this fight one way or the other, but Zepeda, he's really come on over the last couple of years, you know, beating some quality guys, doing it with, you know, record-setting punch-out, but he is just a machine. You saw that with his win over Jojo Diaz. I think you're going to see it again with Bracito Hesta. We're at the point where we're going to start talking about William Zepeda in bigger fights against the likes of Shakur Stevenson or Frank Martin or any of the other top guys at 135 pounds. How do you think he matches up with those guys? Do you think that Zepeda right now, 28 wins, no losses, 24 wins by knockout, is he on that level? Is he on that Shakur? Even Frank Martin, Keyshawn Davis, all the guys that are up and coming at 135, is William Zepeda in your mind on that level? Yeah, he's on that level. I mean, he's probably not the favorite to win against all the names you just mentioned, maybe against Frank Martin because of the experience factor, but against everyone else, he's, you know, he's a smaller fighter, you know, they're going to have the reach on him, they're going to have the speed on him. He's going to have the power, but, you know, power is the least factor in winning these fights.
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"frank martin" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"If Frank Martin didn't want the fight, shouldn't have agreed to it, shouldn't have had his representatives agreed to it. This isn't a case of a fighter deciding when a fight is ordered to pull out of negotiations. This is a case of a deal was struck. Tom Brown of TGB, representing Frank Martin, made a deal with Top Rank. This was a done deal. Frank Martin was going to get paid $1.5 million or in that neighborhood. That's real money for a guy that's only made a couple hundred grand over the course of his career. And if you're Frank Martin and you've been talking the talk for the better part of the last few months, saying nobody wants to fight me, I'll take on anybody. He even said something, I saw Shakur tweeted out a video where Frank said sometimes you got to go into the fight as an underdog to prove yourself. All that talk and then this, this is where we're at with him pulling out at the 11th hour. And meanwhile, Sergio, as we record this Tuesday night, still no reason given by Frank Martin. He's popped on Twitter a couple of times to say, I didn't duck anybody with no explanation. And to say that I did not insist on a 50-50 split, which Shakur intimated in a tweet recently. So I don't know what else to believe here. If you don't want the fight, don't sign off on the deal that your promoter made. Like this deal was scuttled at the 11th hour after top ranks sent the contract. So I just don't, I don't know how you can look at any other way. Frank Martin wanted the fight and then maybe he got some cold feet as far as taking the fight. I don't like casuals calling fighters bums. I don't like casuals calling, you know, fighters like Frank Martin that they're ducking people. Hey, don't say it's casual though, Sergio. Shakur's saying this. Shakur's saying that he's a duck. You gotta pick the right word, man. I mean, you gotta pick the right word. Shakur said it, Sergio. It seems like he's running away. Yeah, well, Shakur can get away with that and good for him, he's a champ. And he can say that, but if you want me to validate that, no, I just think maybe there's something that we don't know. Other fighters are saying it, Teofimo said it, you know? I mean, other fighters are saying it too. Listen, man, and you gotta give credit to fighters like Stevenson and Teofimo who have fought the best and they put their money with their mouth is. And that's why they're two of the most young and talented fighters getting paid right now. Good for them. And if Frank Martin wants to be on that same level, he's gonna have to start taking chances just like them to. This is a bad look. I'm not gonna lie, cold feet maybe, but a duck, that's going a little bit too far for a fighter. I think you're splitting hairs there. You're splitting hairs though saying it's not a duck, but it's cold feet. I always do. I think you're still dancing around it. You're still dancing around it. You're still talking about the exact same thing. Frank Martin, by the way, not some prospect. Frank Martin is 28. So he is now in the private career and he should not be moving away from world title opportunities. Sergio, let's just assume for the sake of argument that Devin Haney is not going back to 135. I think we both agree he's probably not gonna be fighting at 135 ever again. He is no longer the WBC champ. That's why this title is on the line. The WBO title, if it vacates, Frank Martin is not in the position to fight as a mandatory for that belt. The IBF title, Frank Martin is not in the position to fight for the IBF title. Yes, he could fight Gervonta Davis. And if Martin signs to fight Gervonta Davis in December, January, then we apologize. I apologize. But I don't think that's going to be the case, Sergio. I think Gervonta Davis is most likely gonna fight Isak Cruz in his next fight. So if Frank Martin passes on this fight and then takes a much lesser fight, either before the end of this year or early next year, what is that? Like, why would you pass on an opportunity? Even if you lose, like, this is a great opportunity for you to win a world title and make good money in the process. Well, why don't we wait until that decision gets made and we know his next opponent, either you're gonna be apologizing or I'm gonna call him a duck, unless he was- All right, so you're gonna call him a duck then. Okay, fine. If he doesn't fight Tank Davis- I'll even quack for you. You're gonna call him a duck, all right. A couple of things I wanna talk about that have been in the news or around the news over the last couple of weeks.
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"frank martin" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Maybe not Andy Ruiz, because I'd like to see Andy Ruiz, another fighter that needs to prove himself. Andy Ruiz thinks he's worth like $20 million. Andy Ruiz has priced himself out of every fight he's been rumored to be in. Yeah, it's lunacy. And that's what happens whenever you hit the jackpot and you think you're going to hit it again. That's not the case. But as far as Filip Perkovic, that's the number one contender. Of course he deserves a chance. Yes, that's the fight that needs to happen, because when you're the heavyweight champion or any champion that holds all the belts or holds the belts, you need to fight your mandatory contenders. Filip Perkovic already did what he had to do. Why is it his fault that he's going to be fighting another guy for $10 million that's not even a professional fighter? That's where the slap in the face comes, not only to the sport, but to this mandatory that's already bled and earned this right to get a crack at the crown. Not fair. He's going to get a crack at some point. He's the mandatory challenger. When? When? Anything could happen. Like you said, he could slip on a banana peel. He can get injured. You know, these are once in a life opportunities. So whenever they're there... Okay, but Tyson Fury is not obligated to fight Filip Perkovic. Filip Perkovic is the IBF mandatory. That means Oleksandr Usyk is obligated to fight him. Tyson Fury doesn't have to fight anybody. In fact, if the WBC wanted to put Tyson Fury in a real fight, they could have named him mandatory. They could have said, look, Perkovic is now our mandatory. Somebody else, Martin Bicoli, is our mandatory. There was no mandatory for Tyson Fury to fight. Sergio, he is getting paid probably north, well north, of $20 million to fight Francis Deganu, a guy I repeat has no chance of beating him. None whatsoever. You would take it. Joshua would take it. Wilder would take it. Anyone with an IQ over three would take that fight. No question about it. Anybody would take it. Even the greatest boxers in the world. Muhammad Ali fought football players and hockey players. Floyd Mayweather fought YouTube guys. It's going to happen on Pacquiao. Every karate kickboxers, it's going to happen all the times with greats because they're going to make money off their legacy, their name, after they're done boxing real fighters. And they beat up on fighters that can't box. And that's what's going to happen here with Tyson Fury. It's easy money. 20 million for the easiest fight he'll ever have? Please. All right, so you know, but you know what, where we will agree, where we find some common ground is, you know, Fury at this press conference, he was saying, I don't want to fight Usyk. I want to fight John Jones. I want to fight other crossover type of fights. If that's the case, take his title away from him. Like I'm giving him this one because there are no other realistic options out there for him. But the second this fight between Fury and Deganu is over, I want negotiations for Fury Usyk to recommence. They almost got over the finish line a few months ago. They should be able to get over the finish line now. So where we can agree is, if he wants to keep being this kind of circus act and only fight crossover fights, you can do that, but you cannot be the heavyweight champion in the process. All right, let's talk about a fight that is not going to happen in November as planned. Shakur Stevenson and Frank Martin, two of the top 135 pounders in all of boxing, they were set to meet on November 16th on a top rank on ESPN card because top rank and PBC found a way to make a deal for these two undefeated fighters to face each other. Then this week, shockingly, Frank Martin elected not to take the fight, pulled out. That fight is dead. Shakur Stevenson's going to move on to somebody else. Shakur Sergio has been very active on social media saying Frank Martin is ducking. Do you believe that Frank Martin has ducked Shakur Stevenson? If you're Shakur Stevenson or anyone in his camp or any fan that wants the best fight and the best, yes, he's ducking. But if you're a professional boxer, if you've done this all your life, and if you know that you're fighting a guy that's one of the most devoted fighters in the world champion in two divisions, you probably want to make sure all your ducks are in order. You can call me a duck all you want. You can call me a duck all you want, but at 18 professional fights and you haven't really fought one champion, one former champion even, no, you're not ready for one of the best young fighters in the world, probably pound for pound. I don't know if you have him in your top 10, but he probably is either 10 or right outside of it. Shakur Stevenson is a beast. He's one of these guys that you don't want to face unless you have to. Frank Martin doesn't have to. Of course, if he wants to try to become champion, yeah, take the fight. But if he has a bad loss, he's going to take two or three steps back when he can easily fought for a vacated title that Devin Haney might release once he lets go of those belts or fight Tank Davis. I mean, that's a fight that's within the stable, that PBC stable. Tank Davis is going to come back. He's going to want a fight. Frank Martin's one of those perfect style matchups, power puncher versus another power puncher, southpaw versus southpaw, PBC, makes sense in the world. So there must be something brewing that we're not watching. So duck, no. What you're saying is fine, but this is about as crystal clear a case of a duck as I've seen in a while.
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"This is boxing with Chris Mannix. I heard somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Andy Ruiz is the heavyweight champion. Hosted by SI's Chris Mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis, and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris Mannix. This is boxing with Chris Mannix, part of the Volume Sports Podcast Network. We're coming to you live on AMP. AMP, of course, is where you go to get this podcast first. Subscribe to the volume on AMP and subscribe to my feed on AMP as well. And look who is back, gracing us with his presence once again, the former junior middleweight champion, Dizzone broadcaster, and a guy who is never in a good mood unless he's on the road searching. Unless he's getting paid. Unless he's getting paid, that's it. That's the only thing. AMP Sports, Volume Sports, Chris Mannix gets paid. But the Mexican does all these favors for nothing, huh? Is this what he's doing here on this podcast? No, I need to start getting paid, Chris Mannix. Get paid well. The Latin snake needs to feed his children. Latin snake does fine. And it's not about you being Mexican, okay? You do just fine. Chicano. Chicano, Carlos. Chicano, there you go. All right, we've got a lot to get into here, Sergio. I want to talk about the Tyson Fury, Francis Ngannou press conference from this past week. Frank Martin, Shakur Stevenson. That fight collapsed. This accusations of ducking. And I've got a little bit of news to talk about, Sergio, involving Manny Pacquiao that I want to get your take on. So let's begin with the Fury Ngannou presser from last week. Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou meeting face to face in London in advance of their October 28th fight. Fury was Fury. He was talking a lot of trash. Ngannou, a little bit more soft-spoken, but he had some moments at that presser as well. Sergio, this is a fight that every time there's a media event around it, it brings out the criticism, right? The boxing purists hate it. They think Fury is doing a disservice to boxing. They think he should be stripped of his title. It really gets a lot of negative reaction. How do you feel about Fury Ngannou? Do you have a problem with Tyson Fury taking this fight? I gave up trying to convince people like you, because at first it leaves a sour taste in your mouth. And then you realize, oh, well, they're doing okay numbers and they're selling paper views and they're bringing new eyeballs to the sport. Oh, they're bringing in female sliders and getting them paid more than they used to. It's bad for the sport overall. I started with this with Logan Paul and Jake Paul. And then all of a sudden you put them, you put them on the cover of Sports Illustrated. So I can't say nothing anymore. They are who they are, but they're the ones that started this. And now everyone's following along. You can't blame fighters like Tyson Fury, who gave us one of the greatest trilogies in heavyweight history since Bowen Holyfield. I can't hate on boxers making money, especially when they're in their mid thirties. I mean, Fury's what, 35 and Ngannou? To this day, one of the greatest MMA fighters in that sport. And he's not gonna get paid nowhere near what he's gonna make now at 37 years old. So I can't hate on that either. They spilled blood. They already went through all the pain. Let them get paid now. I'm not gonna hate. Is it taking two steps back for the purity of the sweet science? Absolutely. We need and want an undisputed heavyweight champion. But whenever fights like these keep getting bought and purchased by fans, not only in MMA and boxing and everyone else, the casuals, we're not gonna get it, man. It's thanks to you, the casuals, and all the new people buying these things. I'm glad it's thanks to me that it's my fault that events like Tyson Fury, Francis Ngannou.
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"frank martin" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Look, you mentioned Williams paid gonna fight September 16th against Mercedo has to that fights fine, you know, has to coming off the win over Jojo Diaz. He's been a fringy contender before but Zepeda had opportunities to fight Shakur Shakur want to fight him. You know, Oscar de la Hoya golden boy, they decided we want to expose paid a little bit more for step into a fight like that. Frank Martin said, No, I'm in. I'm in man, I'm ready to go. That's a tremendous hundred and 35 pound title fight that really is going to pit two of the very best and brightest in that division. Before I let you go. I want to touch on Dimitri bevels year because Dimitri bevel was widely acclaimed as the fighter of the year in 2022. He beat Canelo Alvarez, he beat zero Ramirez, he made himself a boatload of money, he made himself a very visible guy. And he followed that up by spending the first nine months of 2023 fighting nobody and I sent a text earlier in the week to Vadim Kornilov, who is the manager of and the promoter I guess co promoter of Dimitri bevel. And just asking like what's going on? And he said, Look, we're looking at dates in November. I saw Eddie Hearn say some things about a potential fight for bevel in December. I understand coming off wins, like bevel had over Canelo and Zerto, you want to get paid because he made a lot of money to fight Canelo. Eddie made a lot of money, maybe more to fight Zerto over in Abu Dhabi, so he made a lot of money in 2022. But that he has gone the first nine months of this year without a fight is mind blowing like that is the definition of wasting momentum. This is a clinic on how you waste momentum. And I guess it's easy for me to say because I'm not in the ring, you know, putting my life on the line and, you know, getting punched in the head. But, you know, for bevel to go this long, without a fight at this stage of his career, just feels like a bad career move. What do you think? Yeah, and you can understand for the first few couple of months, you know, waiting to see if there would be one of those big fights that would materialize. And, you know, for a little while he was in that Canelo holding pattern, it didn't materialize yet. Clearly, that does seem like a fight that Canelo does want to come back to at some point. So that needs something that bevel needs to keep in mind. You know, he wants to stay viable, stay active so that that Yeah, but not anytime soon. I mean, Canelo is not coming back to bevel. It'll be it might be two years before we see even hear about Canelo bevel again, if we do at all. Of course. And when you look at the options that are out there for people like none of them really jump off the screen as something right. But you're right. I mean, at this point, he probably just needs to fight somebody to stay in the public consciousness. Now, one thing to consider, which I didn't know until earlier on today, is that bevel has been having some troubles in his personal life. He reportedly just went through a divorce, they have a couple children as well. So I can imagine if that's been really brewing publicly over the last couple of months, then what the stripe in his personal life probably extends a little bit further back as well. And that may be a very obvious reason why things haven't moved a little bit faster. So I am willing to obviously extend some grace if that is the reason why this has happened. Yeah, no, of course, you know, that goes without saying, I just think that we've heard about bevel looking for fights for months, you know, it was Canelo in the first half of this year, you know, they were talking first about doing in June, then maybe they do in September, there were negotiations for that fight, they just fell apart because people want a lot of money, you know, and Canelo wanted a lot of money. So there just wasn't a big enough pot available to them. Then you heard about stay busy fights in the UK over the summer, none of them actually materialize, it seems to me that bevel has wanted to fight for months now. And because of his financial needs, those fights have just been not not been able to come together. And maybe if you're 25, that's okay. But bevels in his early 30s was he 32 33 years old right now.
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"There's so much to consider all the time. There is a path to redemption for Connor Bent. When you post these things on Instagram, these dossiers you're talking about, someone's jamming those lifeguards. Someone is on this side. And on the other side, what happens is that even the people that want the book thrown at these fighters who do these bad things, allegedly do these bad things, what we turn it into is we think that an appropriate punishment is justice and physical violence in the ring. And so we turn their return fights into this like morality, you know, like Margarito versus Pacquiao. It was supposed to be this like, you know, we're getting our reckoning for Margarito cheating and we allow them to make another paycheck and go back in. So, yeah, I think that there has to be, there should be set parameters for what happens if you test positive. But there's so many things that we need to change to actually make that happen. It's hard. It's even hard for me, you know, when stuff like this happens, like, do I want to get angry about Connor Bent or do I want to like click on the link that box they sent out, watch a fight. There's too much to think about all the time. It's a lot. It's a lot. And we're dealing with it more and more in boxing because this year, while it's been a very good one for boxing overall, it has been littered with, you know, negativity when it comes to drugs, whether it's Connor been last year. Yeah, Dillian White, Lisa Baumgartner. I mean, there's just a lot going on a lot of the sport needs to do to clean it up, which begins with, you know, 24 seven testing for everybody that wants to compete in box. There's got to be a way to figure out how to do that. But when it comes to Connor, Ben, I just think one year I'm okay with if he does it again, gone. See you later. Not allowed to fight in any respectable country with any respectable boxing commission. But I think the door should be reopened for Connor, Ben, to get back into the boxing ring. And if it is that Ben Eubank fight is massive. I mean, we all remember this time last year when the promotion for that fight was starting to ramp up where you had Eubank Senior and Nigel Ben, you know, talking about it. You had, you know, all the promotional videos about, you know, the past fight between those two and then, you know, teasing the future fight between these two that fight will still sell out a big arena in in London, anywhere in the UK, and be one of the biggest fights of the year over in the UK. But if I'm Connor, Ben, you know, we talked about Chris Eubank, should he want that fight? I think he should. If I'm Connor, Ben, I want that fight. But I want another fight before then, too. There's been some talk about Connor, Ben returning, maybe in the US before the end of the month. I would want one fight at a higher weight because remember, Connor, Ben has been fighting at 147 for his entire career. This fight with Eubank will likely be at a full 160. I would want one fight at a higher weight before I, you know, get into, you know, get right into a fight with Chris Eubank, who's going to be coming in sharp, fresh, confident second fight with his new trainer. I'd want one more fight if I'm Connor, Ben, but I'm of the opinion, a lot of people won't agree that it's time to allow Connor, Ben, to fight again and for boxing to open the door, whether it's in the UK or the US for him to fight once again. All right, speaking of fights, Errol Spence Jr. wants his get back. It's been widely reported and I've confirmed that Errol Spence has exercised his immediate rematch clause to face Terence Crawford. We all remember the one-sided destruction their first fight was back in July. Terence Crawford winning that fight by knockout. Errol Spence really not winning, maybe won the first round, but after that, it was all Terence Crawford. There was a lot of talk, Corey, about whether Spence would exercise an immediate rematch, whether he would look to take one fight at 154 before getting back in the ring with Crawford. Well, he wants to get back in right away. Is this a wise move for Errol Spence Jr.? I think it is the right move and I, you know, even if you think that Spence isn't going to win this fight, I think that it is the right move if he's going to continue his boxing career. I mean, this is the biggest fight that's available to him. It's the biggest fight in terms of the monetary value, the amount of money he's going to bring. And as an athlete, I'm sure that he's looking at that one-sided fight and thinking, there's no way that I'm not better than that. You know, so I understand fully where he's coming from and I also, you know, if I'm going to be objective looking at things, Spence looking the way that he did in that fight, considering the trauma of his body he's been through, the car crash and everything else, considerations that were there even beforehand, even though he kept landing against the other Todd Welterweights, there is a consideration of, well, how much time does he actually have left? When are these things really going to catch up? And then, you know, to be considered, well, if I am a pro fighter and I am basically playing the lottery with my physical well-being and the amount of money I can bring home, this is probably the best decision for him. So I totally get it. That still stands, even if you think that Spence gets wiped out at 154. If he wants to continue his career as an active boxer, then this is the biggest fight available to him. It's the one that he as an athlete has always believed that he could win and it's going to bring him the most money. And even if this is a retirement plan to go out and even if you lose again, you make another 10 plus million dollars, you know, you're set up on that ranch in De Soto for quite some time. So I still think, like, listen, of course, are there reasonable fights out there that you can think of the interim? Sure. But I don't know what exactly that would do for him. And in fact, if he faces off against another top 10-ish Welterweight, there are risks there that may not allow him to get to this Crawford fight again. So I think it is the right thing. I think if he fights Crawford next, there's no other way to look at it, but this would be his last fight. I'm of the opinion, Cory, that I don't think seven pounds is going to make a difference. I think the weight was a variable in that first fight, but I think Terrence Crawford at this stage is just better. And I don't think a new weight class is going to change much. In fact, it might just make Crawford that much stronger because, you know, he had to cut the weight too, and him not having to cut all the way down to 147 is going to benefit him as well. I agree with what you're saying that, you know, if you're Errol Spence, you go into the ring against, you know, a top 10-ish guy, you run the risk of potentially losing. I still think in the interest of Spence winning a rematch, I think he needs some kind of confidence-boosting fight. I think he needs activity too. I mean, he took that fight with Terrence Crawford after being out of the ring for more than a year. I think getting back in the ring against a light-hitting 154-pounder or maybe even a 147-pounder just coming up in weight to be an opponent for Spence, I think that could benefit him. I think that could give him a little bit of confidence going into the rematch because the first fight just wasn't close. That's the big problem here. The first fight, you know, Errol Spence cannot look at that first fight and say, well, if I did this a little bit differently or that little bit differently, I'd be in a position to win. No, he won the first round. We'll give him that. But then the next six, he got wiped out. You know, he got knocked down the second and then beat up over the rest of that fight. I mean, I understand that Errol Spence is not about warm-up fights. He's proven that over the course of his career. The guy comes off a near-catastrophic, near-death accident and fights Danny Garcia in his first fight. He gets back in with Yordanis Ugas. He fights tough guys all the time. But if he's serious about winning this rematch and if his team believes he can win this rematch, I think he needs one fight. I think he needs to go up to 154, take a low-level fight, get your confidence back, get comfortable at that new weight, and then, middle of next year, go into a fight against Terrence Crawford. I understand that the politics of it and the legalities of it say that he probably can't put it off and automatically get that rematch, but if Spence wins a fight at 154, Crawford's going to want to fight him again. The money's going to be there. The framework of the deal is in place. I just think you go into this fight with Crawford in January or February or whenever it may be scheduled, without that next tune-up fight, you're going to lose. And you might lose just as badly as you did the first time. You get an in-between fight. You may still lose. You may still take a beating, but I think you're going to be better off for it if you go into that Crawford fight coming off a win as opposed to just being months removed from a beating. I mean, that wasn't a loss. That was a beating he took at the hands of Terrence Crawford. So, I just think he should do that. Yeah, and you know what, I could see that perspective both for Errol as a fighter and as an athlete, but there would also be benefits to that, Chris, from a PR perspective as well, because the reality of how athletes are marketed, how fights are marketed these days, it is on your timeline, and it is what is most recently in front of your eyes. And right now, the most recent thing that the casual viewers, the ones that make pay-per-views into pay-per-view extravaganzas, the ones that make fighters a lot of money, those fans are the ones clicking on the memes of Errol Spence looking like Martin. That's not good, but you put a fight in between there where maybe Errol scores a knockout, suddenly all that's washed away. I mean, we saw it with Deontay Wilder, one comeback fight, one extraordinary knockout, and suddenly people are excited about seeing him all over again. It can happen, so there would be benefits. I can definitely see your side. But yeah, I think the sticky part is contractually, is it even possible if there is that desire for people to win? Yeah, and look, even if he takes that interim fight, I'm still picking Crawford to win. I just think Crawford's better. And I don't think Spence is the same guy since the accident. I've said that over and over again. I don't think he's the same fighter. He has not been that aggressive. Look for a knockout guy in a number of years. Certainly not since he had that one-car accident that nearly killed him. Which, by the way, makes his pre-Cofford post-accident wins even more impressive in retrospect. If you believe that, him going in there and beating Gordonis Ugos when he was nearly killed in his car, that's extremely impressive. And we should look back on that as so. He is one of the rare guys that you can say he always fought the best. He looked at his resume since he came out of the Olympics and since he started fighting at a championship level. There were very few gimmies on that list. Certainly almost none since he became a unified champion, whether it's fights against Sean Porter, the Ugos fight, Danny Garcia. Go down the list. He had a lot of good names on his resume. I just think at this stage, I think Crawford is simply the better fighter. And whether it's a 154, 160, 168, it's not going to matter. I think Crawford's going to win that rematch one way or the other. I want to talk about a great fight that was finalized on Tuesday afternoon. Shakur Stevenson, two-division world champion. He will face Frank Martin, undefeated, 135-pound contender. That will be for the vacant WBC lightweight title. It's the title of the Devin Haney. I don't know if Devin vacated as much as WBC took it from him, made him champion in recess. But Devin Haney, no longer 135-pound champion with the WBC. That title will be up for grabs. There was a purse bid scheduled for Tuesday afternoon. That was called off after representatives from top rank and representatives from Frank Martin, presumably PBC, made a deal for this fight to happen. It'll take place sometime in the fall. It'll be on an ESPN platform. I am all in on this fight, Corey. This is a tremendous fight. And the kind of fight that you don't see a lot of in boxing. You don't see two young, still years away from their prime or still a brief time, whatever it may be, from their prime coming together through cross-promotion to make a fight like this. Corey Stevenson, associated with top rank, he has been one of the top pound for pound guys for a number of years now, climbing the ranks every single fight. Frank Martin really burst onto the scene with that win over Michelle Rivera a couple of years ago. Didn't look great in his last fight, but still a top guy at 135. This is certainly a fight for the purists because neither Shakur or Frank Martin has massive fan bases behind them. It's not going to be a pay-per-view. It's not going to be a huge draw necessarily, but it will be, I think, a terrific fight between two guys that are right on the doorstep of being elite in boxing. What do you think of it? Yeah, I think it's a tremendous fight. And you mentioned the fact that this is a cross-promotional deal, too. That is a rarity that hopefully, I think is becoming a little bit more of a commonality and hopefully that trend will continue. And I think this is a trend that I've been seeing in the way that fighters talk about wanting their career arcs to be. They want to take these tests a little bit sooner. They don't see the value in a lot of these earlier career kind of fluff fights, development fights. And these two guys have been very loud on the timeline asking for fights like this, and they came together and actually made it happen. Not only is it a tremendous fight for the purists, but I think that, to your point, neither of these guys are on a pay-per-view caliber yet, but Shakur is probably a little bit closer. I think he's closer. The fans that know who Spencer Crawford is, they know who Shakur is. The question is, are they willing to pay money to see him on pay-per-view? And wins like this will put you in that stratosphere. And Shakur is kind of following, and it's interesting because he is very much in that Terrence Crawford camp. That's one of his mentors. And you're seeing him kind of take a similar kind of career arc where everyone... The way that they talked about Crawford at this stage in his career was almost as if everyone assumed and knew that this may be the most talented guy in boxing right now. He's going to be number one one day. We just haven't had a chance to see it yet. Shakur is starting that path a lot earlier. I think that Crawford, he's still a very young guy and taking these fights. But he's following that same kind of path where he's created some haters, let's say, on the timeline. He's kind of created a division between him and, let's say, the opposing camp, which Frank Martin is a part of in the Errol Spence sphere. And now he'll get a chance to win a grudge match against a top five-ish fighter in the division. This is the step that Shakur, I think, needs to hit that next level. If Frank Martin wins, I mean, that means that he was right all along about everything he said about himself, and he's going to prove a lot of people wrong. I'm going to enjoy one. Yeah, I want to give Frank Martin a lot of credit for taking this fight because it would have been very easy for his representatives to pull him out and say, look, there's going to be other titles that are vacant over the next three or four months. We're going to position Frank Martin to fight, say, Isak Cruz for a vacant title. Or maybe Frank Martin could position himself, seems unlikely, but maybe he could for a fight against Gervonta Davis. There were a lot of ways that Spence, who is his promoter, and PBC, which is backing him financially, a lot of ways they could have gone. Not only is he taking the toughest fight available to him, but his promoters and him, they're going to go to the, quote, rival platform. They're going to go over and fight on ESPN, which, frankly, for Frank Martin, you've got to be excited about. I mean, your exposure, if, and I've seen some dates floated, you know, November, maybe even the Heisman ceremony date that ESPN and Top Rank have in December. There's a chance for great exposure for Frank Martin in a fight like this, but I want to give him props because this wasn't a fight he needed to take. He easily could have walked away and followed a different path that could have led him to a world title at some point in 2024. He chose the path of greatest resistance, which I guess if we're looking at Frank Martin's resume, we should believe that. I mean, look, the fight with Michelle Rivera, I mean, that was one-sided in the aftermath, but that was prospect against prospect at the time. That was a big fight for both those guys and kind of a pick-and-fight at that time. Frank Martin went into it, got the job done. He is kind of following that same path that Errol Spence followed, like that I'm going to take tough fights. Like, I'm going to go out there and prove myself against the very best. And, you know, he's going up against a guy that in terms of pure skill, you know, Shakur's pound for pound is as good as it gets. Like, he's not, you know, top five on my pound for pound list, but he's in the top 10. And, you know, there's few people in boxing that doubt that with the right fights, he could get there, get inside that top five very quickly. So kudos to Frank Martin for taking a fight like this. Yeah, absolutely. And listen, Frank Martin's been knocking on every door he can knock on. Like, I saw him at Williams to pay to fight, you know, like, what are you doing out here in the middle of Texas for no reason? He's just, he's asking for anyone of note and he, you know, he landed the biggest fish that he could get.
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"Well, by the way, if you've been watching the Tyson Fury Netflix documentary, Tyson Fury, I don't think he's ever going to retire, ever. He's going to say he's retiring until we're all dead, probably, but yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Fury-Usyk negotiations fell apart over rematch clause, right? They were okay on the initial, I guess there was some back and forth because Saudi Arabia first, and then it's in the UK, but it was more towards the end, it was about a rematch clause. It's a long way of saying, I think this fight can be resuscitated. And I agree with you, if you're Tyson Fury and you're watching Usyk Dubois, you're thinking to yourself, look, Daniel Dubois gave himself a shot to win with a decent borderline body shot there, I'm better than Daniel Dubois. I should be able to handle that version of Usyk. At least that's got to be what you're telling yourself if you're Tyson Fury in that fight. I have no interest whatsoever in Herjavec versus Usyk. I mean, Herjavec, the shine's really come off him over the last couple of fights. The Zhili Zhang fight could have gone either way. His last fight, Dempsey McKeon, whatever, that wasn't all that, it was just a ho-hum kind of performance. Guys like Herjavec, if you get in line and you put yourself in a mandatory position, sure, you should get an opportunity to fight for a world title. But I would definitely like to see the IBF, see everybody allow some negotiations to take place so we can potentially get Usyk versus Fury in the first quarter of 2024. All right, I want to talk about Terence Crawford, who has been on a victory tour since his knockout win over Errol Spence Jr. last month. And while we wait to see if Spence plans to exercise his rematch clause, Crawford has been openly talking about the possibility of facing Canelo Alvarez in his next fight. Here's Crawford discussing it on the three-knockdown rule this week. That would be my opportunity to show everybody how great Terence Crawford really is. If Canelo win that fight and accept my challenge and I come up to 168 and challenge him for undisputed in his weight and that fight happened, then, you know, man, I'm going to just show everybody, you know, that his skills pay the bills and I got the skills to do it all in that ring. So, Keith, I love this fight. I love it so much. I have no interest in, you know, beating up on the Charlo brothers tour. I have no interest in, I really have no interest in a rematch between Crawford and Spence. I do have great interest in seeing if Crawford can move up to 168 and beat Canelo Alvarez if Canelo gets through Jermell Charlo later on in September. I guess let's phrase the question this way. Do you think this fight's realistic? I mean, Crawford is aligned with PBC now. Canelo is aligned with PBC now. We still don't know who Canelo would face in the second fight of his deal. We know Eddie Reynoso has been saying Jermell Charlo is the target, but Jermell Charlo, who the hell knows what's going on with him? Is Crawford Canelo realistic for some time in the first half of 2024? It depends on who you ask. If you ask Terence Crawford, it absolutely is. If you ask Canelo Alvarez, it absolutely isn't. So Canelo feels like if he fights Crawford and he wins the fight, he'll get no credit because he'll have fought a guy who moved up three weight classes because he said unequivocally he is not moving down to 160 to 162 to 160. He's not moving down. So the fight would have to be at 168, which Crawford says that he is okay with doing. And that takes a lot of balls. I mean, not that I didn't think Terence Crawford didn't have that to begin with, but that's really saying something to move up three weight classes. I guess you could look at it this way, Chris. There was a time, now the fight was offered to Canelo to fight Errol Spence at once. I think it was 164, I believe. And that fight was offered to him and he didn't do it. And I think I remember him saying also, well, I'm not really going to get credit because he's a welterweight moving up and all that kind of, but he didn't completely dismiss it, I guess. I mean, it was something that, oh, who knows what could happen in the future. So I guess if you look at it that way, well, if he could have fought Errol Spence, he could fight the guy who beat up Errol Spence, you would think. But Canelo has been pretty adamant about this, that he is not going to fight Crawford because he just thinks that it's a bridge too far for Crawford and he's not going to get credit for doing it and kind of what is the purpose of him doing it because he can make a lot of money fighting other guys. Maybe he's got his heart set on us because of course he feels like beating Jermell Charlo, no questions asked, who that second opponent would be. Maybe he's got his mind made up as it relates to that. Of course, he's not sharing that with us, but maybe he feels he knows who that second opponent is and he's not going to entertain Crawford. And then Crawford could be bound to this rematch with Spence anyway, which could take you through the beginning of 2024 and then, you know, Canelo is probably not going to fight until May anyway, so it would align that way. I would like to be more positive about it, Chris, because, you know, just for the sake of history, I'd love to see if Terrence Crawford could pull that off. I mean, every time they say Terrence Crawford can't do something, he goes and does it. I mean, this is a big ask. I mean, to move up 21 pounds to go beat Canelo is a big ask, but he might have another. What if Jermell Charlo wins? I know that you feel that he has zero chance to win. I understand that. Let's just say he wins. Well, then you have the guy who beat Canelo who has this rivalry with Crawford and is a stable mate of Errol Spence. Well, then you've really got some drama there, right? And Jermell Charlo, I would think, wouldn't demand that he comes up to 168 pounds and then Crawford only has to come up how much of a weight they decide on, he would come up. Well, then you have Canelo still the biggest star in boxing. I'm not discounting that as it relates to who Crawford could fight, and it would be a much bigger fight if he fought Canelo because Canelo, again, the biggest star in American boxing. But imagine if Charlo wins, well, he'd have to beat Canelo twice because there's a rematch clause in the contract, so let's start with that. He's got to beat him twice. So Crawford will have to fight someone in between if that were to happen. But I don't think that if Canelo, the favorite fighter, does win, I don't think that Terence Crawford is going to be Canelo's next opponent as part of his three-fight deal with PBC. Well, thanks for throwing some cold water on that, Keith. Good to talk to you. I'm here to bring reality to the podcast, my friend. Come on. Well, hey, speaking of reality, I don't believe Jermell Charlo can win. I've said this before. I'll say it again. I see no pathway to victory for him. I saw a guy that got beat up pretty good by Bryan Castano. I think Canelo is levels better than Bryan Castano, and I think Canelo is going to do to him what Castano couldn't, and I think he's going to finish him off in that fight. You make a good point about the rematch clause, so we'd have to wait until summer fall of 2024 to potentially get Crawford against Charlo. But if Canelo wins, use the word credit. Does Canelo get more credit for fighting Jermell Charlo in his next fight versus fighting Terence Crawford? Because we'd be talking about a Jermell Charlo that would be at that point close to three years removed from his last fight, if you fast forward to May of 2024, who has not looked impressive in the previous fights he's had. Would he really get less credit for fighting Terence Crawford than he would Jermell Charlo? It's a good point, Chris, but one, I don't think that if Jermell Charlo fights him next, he will go directly into that fight. I think they will find some sort of tune up for him on Showtime or something. He can't go, you know, he can't come off what would be, like you said, almost three full years out of the ring and fight Canelo. Of course, you would have the grudge. Let's say he beats Jermell. You have the grudge match aspect. He's coming to avenge his brother's loss, but if you hear Jermell talk, they're not even on speaking terms now, so I don't know what matters exactly. I mean, things aren't good between them. His girlfriend and his wife got into a fight that they spent outside of the arena. When Jermell was doing the two-city press tour and he was doing a whole bunch of interviews and stuff, he said he at that point had not spoken to Jermell since that happened. I think maybe two or three weeks had gone by from that point. He hadn't spoken to his brother. Regardless, I don't think that Jermell Charlo would go into the Canelo fight if Canelo beats Jermell Charlo and is looking to fight Jermell next. Having said that, who knows how he's going to look in that fight because he didn't look particularly good against Juan Macias Montiel, who was blown out by Carlos Adamas, so I don't know how anyone could say with any certainty what to make of Jermell Charlo at this point in his career. If he comes back and he scores an impressive knockout, at least he would establish some sort of momentum going into that fight, but if it's not him and it's not Crawford, I mean, I don't know who Canelo would fight in that second fight because it's not going to be Benavidez or the winner of the Benavidez-Andrade fight, and it's certainly not going to be David But yeah, I see what you're saying, though, because no one knows what's left of Jermell Charlo at this point, so how could you say you would get more credit for that than beating, who I believe is the number one pound-for-pound fighter in boxing, and I think most people should believe that at this point. It's a good point, but he, again, would have to come up 21 pounds in weight, so that's a huge factor. Canelo, he's a very hard puncher, and he's used to absorbing punches at that weight, and he fought at light heavyweight twice and didn't budge, so again, it's a huge ask of Terrence Crawford, but it would be a fascinating event, a fascinating fight to see if Crawford could do it, but based on the way Canelo is talking about it, I just don't see it happen. You know, I think we, and just speaking abroad, we have to come off the idea that Crawford, you know, would be, everybody would downplay a win over Crawford. Maybe people would after the fact, but I just, I can't get excited about a Jermell Charlo fight, even if Charlo is coming off a win over a Maciej Sileski type. I can't get excited about that. Of the available opponents out there, and I'm excluding Benavidez and excluding Morrell because, as you point out, he's probably not going to fight them in May of 2024. Terrence Crawford, I think, is the most marketable opponent, and I think the opponent that he'd probably get the most credit for, because Terrence Crawford is the number one pound-for-pound guy now, and Canelo Alvarez, he could be sold as former number one pound-for-pound, still believes he's at the top, now fighting the guy who is at the top. I just think there's so many ways to market it, so many ways to sell it, and if Crawford really is willing to do what he says he's willing to do, and I have no reason to doubt him, then that to me is just a phenomenal fight to make. I'm interested to see what happens in the aftermath of the Jermell versus Canelo fight and exactly how the pieces kind of fall into place. I guess the other thing we have to ask is, you know, is Spence going to exercise that rematch clause? Because if he does, this is an entirely moot point, right? Like, do you believe Spence is going to exercise that immediate rematch clause for either later this year or early next year? Well, I've been hearing conflicting things, I would say. I mean, he wants it from a pride standpoint, obviously. He wants his get-back, and there are people that I've spoken to, fighters, managers, trainers, that think that it would be a more competitive fight at 154 pounds. Who knows? Of course, it took a lot out of him to get down to 147 pounds, but I don't think that's wrong for him on 29. I agree. That's what he's going to tell himself, obviously, as a competitor and as someone who's never been in this predicament before, having to come off a devastating lopsided loss like that. Of course, he's going to say that. I don't know that it would be all that different, to be honest with you, but Chris, I just want to circle back to one thing you said related to Canelo, because I agree with a lot of what you said about marketing the fight and the former pound for pound king against the current pound for pound king, and that all makes perfect sense. But let's just say the Canelo-Charlow fight goes the way that you expect it to go, and Canelo wins convincingly. Okay, he just beat a 54-pounder. His next fight's going to be against a 47-pounder, and then let's just say he beats him. Who's he going to fight next, Tank? At a certain point, people are going to say, well, why do you keep fighting guys who are all these weight classes below you? Now, Terrence Crawford, in my opinion, is better than Jarmel Charlo, but you're not going to keep going down. And also, if you're Al Heyman and Showtime and you're trying to maximize this multi-fight deal with Canelo, I mean, continually having him fight guys with lower weight classes, I don't think is the way to really captivate the public. The Crawford fight is an anomaly for obvious reasons, right? But coming off, let's just say he beat Charlo convincingly, then go to the undisputed champion in the lower weight class. I don't know if you can sell that. It's 21 pounds. If they fought at 160 pounds, if they fought at 160, I might buy it more, but 21 pounds, I mean, oof. But you think a Jarmel Charlo fight is more marketable then? You think that's the case? No, I honestly don't want to... Like I said earlier, no one could conceivably say that they know what to make of Jarmel Charlo at this point. I'm not saying that's what you want. I'm just saying that it would be fascinating. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see it. I'm just saying, does it make sense from a business standpoint for them to do that next? Particularly if he beats Charlo in a way that you and some other people seem to think that he will. I'm not saying he's going to lose. I'm not saying Canelo's going to lose, but I think that's a real fight. So I'll say this, if you're rooting, not you specifically, wants to see Crawford fight Canelo, you really should root for the Charlo-Canelo fight to be competitive. Because if it isn't, I don't see how you sell against a smaller guy. What do you do to maximize? Danny DuBois just fought Oleksandr Usyk in front of 50,000 people. I mean, you could do whatever you want, I guess. You talk about maximize though, Keith, like what does maximize that second fight? I mean, if we kind of assume that Benavidez could be there as the third fight of that deal, what is an ideal situation for PBC and your attainment? I don't see it out there. You'd almost have to enlist like Jaime Munguia from Golden Boy or somebody outside the PBC universe because inside, cross your fingers, nope Demetrius, Android wins. I don't know. I don't know what the opponent is for him there. That's been a problem for months now. We've been talking about this for a while, whether it's going to be Jermall Charlo or somebody else. That second slot has been something of a mystery since Canelo announced this deal. I don't know exactly where he goes in there. Even though there's a 21-pound weight gap, I would get really excited to see Canelo versus Crawford. I think a lot of people out there would too. Now, after the fact, we may say, oh, you beat up on a smaller guy. But going into that fight, I think there would more interest in Canelo versus Crawford than there would be in Canelo versus anyone else, including David Benavidez, I think. Now, we might sit there and agree that Benavidez is a tougher fight. But in terms of marketability, I don't think Benavidez Canelo does better than Canelo versus Crawford. I just think it's on two different levels marketing-wise. I'm not sure about the Benavidez one, Chris, because there's nothing to disparage the Benavidez-Canelo fight. Benavidez is actually bigger. Obviously, they're in the same weight class, but he's the bigger guy. He's the younger guy. But in terms of known commodities, right? People know Crawford now. Of course. Yeah. But again, I don't think you can discount the 21-pound weight advantage that Canelo would have, whereas Benavidez would be viewed as the young killer, the bigger... Now, I'm not saying Benavidez wins that fight. I'm just saying he's a naturally taller guy who's on the come up. He's been fighting as a professional for a very long time for someone who's 26 years old, but he's 26 years old. That's a good question. I think Crawford, because of, like you said, where his marketability is coming off this incredible win and the surge he has enjoyed over the last few weeks, it would do good business. There's business, right? And it would do much better business than most with Crawford involved. And so you make a good point. But I don't know if it would... The Benavidez fight, people really want to see that. And you know how it goes on both sides of it. People build up all this nonsense that doesn't exist, like Canelo's running from Benavidez. He's like, yeah, I mean, the guys want everybody. And I think he'll eventually wind up fighting Benavidez. I mean, it's a good narrative for Benavidez's camp to play off of while you're waiting for this fight. But Demetrius Andrade's not an easy fight, you know? Look out for Demetrius Andrade. I'm quitting this podcast if Andrade beats Benavidez. Jesus Christ. Oh, look out for my guy, Demetrius Andrade. Live dog in that fight against Benavidez. He's going to do some things in that fight that I think will make Benavidez look bad. May not win, but I think he's going to acquit himself well in that fight. That's a conversation for when we get closer to that fight actually being finalized. I want to ask you, Keith, about Jared Anderson, what we saw from him this past weekend. Picked up his second win in the last two months, stopping Andrade Rudenko. Anderson, one of the best heavyweight prospects in all of boxing, maybe the best heavyweight prospect in boxing. He's ranked in the top 10 by three of the four sanctioning bodies, being moved pretty well, and being moved pretty fast by top rank. When you look at his future, we mentioned FA Iqagba. I think that'd be a pretty interesting fight for Jared Anderson. But how close are we getting to Jared Anderson getting a significant fight? Well, I guess we'd have to define significant fight because Usyk and Fury are off the table, right? I mean, those guys, he's not, I don't think he's ready for that necessarily. And I don't think he's in position to make that happen right now based on what they have going on. So yeah, then who does he fight who's not too dangerous? Because look, he can tell you all he wants that he wasn't hurt by Charles Martin. He was hurt not once. He was hurt twice by Charles Martin in the fifth round. The middle minute of the fifth round, he was buzzed by the left hand and he responded very well to it. And maybe it was a little lack of focus toward the end of the 10th round. But he got rocked with another left hand where if Charles Martin had another 20 or 30 seconds to try to follow up on that, the conclusion might have been different. So he was hurt twice by and there's no shame in getting hurt by Charles. Charles Martin is a huge puncher. I mean, he's, you know, people think what they think about Charles Martin based on the Anthony Joshua fight, but he's a huge puncher. Big guy, almost had Luis Ortiz out and has been a solid heavyweight. So it was a good comeback win for Jared Anderson. You know, he did what he was supposed to do with Rodaico who had never really been stopped, stopped. You know what I mean? So it was a good win for Jared Anderson and exactly what he needed. And he came back on only seven weeks, you know, only seven weeks after he fought the toughest fight of his career and went 10 rounds for the first time. So give him credit for that. So who does he fight, Chris? Really? I mean, because they were, look from the top rank perspective, they were at, if it wasn't next, it was going to be the following fight. He was going to fight Zon Kasabutski if Kasabutski beat FA Jogba. Now, obviously people would say, well, then why can't you just make FA Jogba against Jared Anderson? Well, because they have the same management team they're friendly. And I know people hate hearing the friendship stuff because you know, that's the boxing business basically, right? And a lot of friends have fought each other, but they do have the same management team looking out for their interests and everything. And they both have kind of said that they're not going to fight each other. So the fact that Kasabutski did just utterly baffling things on Saturday night and through his career down the drain for the most part. So they don't have that built-in guy with top rank for Jared Anderson to fight right now. So it's going to be interesting to see who, because he's going to fight probably one more time before the end of the year. And if he does that, it's going to be interesting to see because Kasabutski is no longer available to him. And FA Jogba is not for the reasons I just mentioned. Where do you go? Right? Do you bring a British heavyweight over? I don't know. I don't know who you bring over to fight him. Probably have to. I mean, you probably have to, you have to look overseas where there are some heavyweight options. I mean, I don't know if he's ready for like a Joseph Parker. I'd love to see that fight. Maybe a little bit too far at this point for Jared Anderson. That's a really good, I think, heavyweight fight. Here's one for you, Chris, how about this? Okay. Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again on September 23rd, which well could happen. Frank Warren is Jalee Zhang's promoter who works with Bob Aaron. Would they put, would they put after what happened with another strong southpaw, another older strong southpaw, would they put Jared Anderson in the ring for an opportunity to win one of the interim titles and then become a mandatory? And would they pay Jalee Zhang enough money to make that happen? I would like to see that. Let me tell you something. Do respect that Jared Anderson, but if Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again, I wouldn't make Jared Anderson a favorite in that fight. I think Jalee Zhang wins. I think he's too strong and you can't knock Jalee Zhang out. Like he's just too big and he's got too good a chance. I know this is talk for a few weeks down the road because the fight's September 23rd, but guy's been training in New Jersey for 10 years and Lou Duva told me a very long time ago, there's something special about this guy and he's going to speak any English, but he does. And, uh, he, you know, he knows that he's not a real, real world champion, but he's on the cusp of making something pretty special happen. Um, and you know, people think negative things about him because of what happened in the Jerry forest fight. And they feel that he faded against her garbage when he probably could have won that fight and everything. But look, the top ranked matchmakers are entirely too smart from that. For that, I'm not saying that they're going to sign off on Jared Anderson fighting Jalee Zhang, even though he's 40 years old at this point, I don't understand they're going to do that. I'm just saying it would be an appealing option if we're looking for appealing options. I agree. I'd love to see that fight and Jared Anderson would have to box in that fight because you're not putting Jalee Zhang down. I mean, I was there for the forest fight where it was not to rehash it, but that was a whole confluence of bad events for Jalee Zhang that led to him looking as bad as he did. Uh, I thought he won the Hargovitch fight. It was close. I thought he lefts on Joe Joyce and busting up his face. That's who Jalee Zhang is. He has got blunt power with that left hand and he has got a good chin. So that would be an incredibly appealing fight. And you know, good for top rank, good for Jared Anderson if they did go in that direction. But that certainly is one to watch after the Joyce Zhang fight later on in September. Last thing for you, Keith, I want to just, we saw the WBC order something recently. I want to drop this on you real quick. Um, Shakur Stevenson, Frank Martin, when I saw that, I, you know, I, I don't want to get excited about a potential big fight when two fighters are promoted by rival entities and fight on opposing platforms. But correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a purse bid schedule for what next week. And I'm dying to see if who goes through with it. I mean, I've checked in with a few people on both sides. I don't think there's any certainty on if this comes to a purse bid, if we'll get, you know, both sides going through with that purse bid. But of course, Stevenson, Frank Martin on paper, tremendous fight. What are the chances you think we get that fight for the WBC right way title? Well, I really hope we do Chris, because it's a look, it's it's in terms of what's available. It's about as good as Shakur Stevenson is going to do next, right? Because Devin Haney's moving up to 140. Excuse me, the tank fight is not going to obviously not going to happen next. It's a pretty good fight, right? Martin didn't look good, particularly let me backtrack. He didn't look as good in his last fight, as he did in his in his previous fight against Michelle Rivera. And he was in with a guy who had a lot of experience, a lot of Olympic experience and amateur experience and everything. And he learned something from it. The shine is a little off of him, maybe, you know, based on how good he looked against Michelle Rivera, but he'll give Shakur Stevenson a real fight. Now, Shakur, I think is on another level and would win but I would much rather see that than see Shakur fight an in house guy and Jermaine Ortiz is very good, but you know, just had all this trouble making weight and everything and probably shouldn't be rewarded for that by fighting Shakur Stevenson next. But I would rather see that than an in house top rank fight. So let's see how they go about it. It's a very costly fight for whoever wins that purse bid. You have to pay a lot of money because Shakur Stevenson's minimums are high. And it was my understanding that they were when they were negotiating before the WBC ordered the the purse bid, which is scheduled for September 5, the Tuesday after Labor Day, they were far enough apart on money to necessitate a purse bid, I guess, for what to satisfy Frank Martin side of it. The fight would be if top rank promotes the fight, it would be on ESPN. The on a Thursday night of all nights on a Thursday night in November, before the Formula One Grand Prix race in Vegas, the next two days or three days after that, I believe it is. It's an interesting fight. I would favor Shakur and I would favor Shakur Stevenson against, you know, most lightweights. I'd love to see him fight Tank Davis at some point. That really, that's a pick of it to me. But I would favor Shakur against most anybody else in the lightweight division, including Frank Martin, but it's a very good fight. Yeah, as far as lightweight opponents go, Frank Martin would be, you know, the best that Shakur has faced up until this point. It would just be a really compelling match up of two undefeated young 135 pounders. This is the kind of cross promotional fight that boxing needs to make more of. It's one of those situations too, Keith, where it's like, you know, if that purse bid happens, and there is a result, somebody wins. If you walk away from that fight, the other guy has a chance to call you a ducker, the guy can say you're ducking. Like there was a purse bid, your promoter had a chance to put up a bunch of money to win that purse bid. I believe, is the split 50-50 for something like that? That's a good question because I'm trying to remember where Martin is. I forgot. But either way, they'd make a boatload of money. You get to be in a marquee fight. I'd love to see it. I think that's a terrific fight between two top guys at 135. Undefeated. I love what I've seen from Frank Martin. That last fight, notwithstanding, I think that was, I don't think that was an example of the real Frank Martin. I think the Michelle Rivera fight was probably more a look at the real Frank Martin, where Shakur has been great every single time he's been out. So I'm all in. No, it's an excellent fight, Chris. And like you said, we could use more. And top rank has shown, and when necessary, you see us in fighters over there as well as opponents and such. And in this case, Frank Martin would have to be considered the opponent. I mean, Shakur is the star and Frank Martin would be the underdog in the fight. So it could be worth PBC's while because they want a big fight for Frank Martin and they wouldn't have to pay for it if it goes, if it went on the ESPN side. From top ranks perspective, they would have to bid a lot of money because they could not afford from a public relations standpoint to lose Shakur Stevenson even for a fight to PBC if they were to get outbid by Al Heyman and TGB, which would represent Al at the purse bid. You don't think it's worth it? I mean, not that it's the same thing, but I remember when, well, I mean, for one fight, like I remember when Lomachenko fought Gary Russell. I know it's not the same thing. That was very early in Lomachenko's career, but that fight was on Showtime. And that was at the time kind of the marquee win of Lomachenko's career. I just, I don't think the top rank, I don't think it's catastrophic. If for one fight Shakur Stevenson goes over, you know, gets a win, then comes back to ESPN and top rank. I just don't know that it's so damaging to their brand. Maybe not catastrophic, but they will not want that to happen, obviously, because they have the financial wherewithal to make sure that it stays on ESPN. So I think they would do everything in their power to make that happen. But then it's like, you don't know how much the other, in this case, you don't know how much the other side is willing to bid because it would be a coup, a minor coup, I guess, for the PBC Showtime side of it to steal Shakur Stevenson away from top ranking ESPN for one fight.
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"Who's into it? Mickey schizophrenia. Are you all into it? So maybe you know what? Maybe she was like, Mike, you're going. I'm sick of this. Let's go. Maybe she was maybe Mike was like, hey, sweet pea. What could I get you for Valentine's Day? And she's like, you know what? I would like to do for Valentine's Day. I'd like to go to Cameron indoor. And get fired up to that shot song. Exactly. Plus some chocolate covered strawberries. And so he got some chocolate covered strawberries, and they went the camera. Very romantic, good to see K back in the girl name. And the cameras were on them. It went triple zeros. He got the hell out of there. As he should have, he was like, see you later. I'm going, I'll meet you in the locker room. But yeah, obviously I meet up with Mike bray, who those two remain really, really good friends after all these years. What if he showed up only because he was like, I'm not gonna let the ref screw Jon again. They won't do it. They won't do it if they see me there. Correct. They would never do it in front of me. They wouldn't do it to me. Everybody on Saturday said they wouldn't do it to K, but they also won't do it in front of me. So come on, Mickey. Let's get down to Cameron. At the middle school dance, that's what we had there. Durham, on Tuesday night. My last one is New Mexico is Clemson. And by that, I mean, it is now tracking to do a Clemson did in the Oliver purnell era halcyon days. Be the last of the feet of team in the country and then go to the NIT. Right now, they've gone from 14 and O to 19 and 7. They lost to lowly Wyoming on Tuesday night. New Mexico is comfortably out of the tournament situation. But next three are at San Jose state, which is a good team. I'm going to say that's a quad two game off the top of my head. At Boise state, quad one, and then home versus San Diego state, which I would even be a quad one. I don't know where sds he was in the net as of now. If New Mexico can win those three, then yeah, they're back in the discussion. They're back in the field. If they get those three in a row, but they got to do it. The Richard patino's team has, you know, it's gone weird quickly. But it is far from the worst situation at a school in that state. That's one way to get to it. And underhand 54 miles an hour right over the plate for you GP. Before we look ahead to the next couple of nights, we should update you on the situation at New Mexico state because the school Wednesday fired first year coach Greg heyer, just days after his program was shut down for the season. What a while turn of events for Greg. March 2022 gets his first division one head coaching job. And all these things happen since then. Some of his players involved in a fight in a football game. One of his players shot a person to death, three players are accused of hazing a teammate in a way that could be interpreted as sexual assault. The university eventually shut down the program with a two in ten conference record. And then Greg heyer was fired less than 11 months after getting the job. It's hard to have something go worse than that, isn't it? Yeah, this might be the worst of all time. As has been pointed out and was really, frankly, something that came up to me last year, and just in passing when he got the job because there was curiosity over who would get the New Mexico state job, Frank Martin was even attached to that among some other amongst some other coaches there, but it's like, Greg hey, so you get that job.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"Everything you mentioned I agree with speed, power, ring IQ, he dominated that fight. Start to finish and Rivera's not a pushover. I'm with you. I give Rivera a ton of credit for taking that fight. I'm not gonna criticize him or dismiss him for losing that fight. I hope he gets another date on showtime at some point in the next three or four months. But Frank Martin's the goods. He's the real deal. There's no doubt about it. I think he's ready right now to fight anybody in the lightweight division. Yeah. I would agree with that. All right, last thing. Anthony Joshua, I don't know if he's still in the U.S.. He was in the U.S., he's been making the rounds on the trainer circuit again. Most recently spotted with Derek James, of course, the train of arrow Spence, Jamil Charlotte, among others, one of the best trainers in all of boxing. I don't know which way Anthony Joshua is leaning at this point. Is he going to try somebody completely new? Is he going to keep certain members of his team? You never know with this guy. What's going to happen with Joshua? But what do you think of an Anthony Joshua Derek James pairing? There are James has proved himself to be one of the best trainers in the sport. He's the only trainer in boxing right now that has two unified champions, one of whom is undisputed in Charlotte. He obviously also has Spence with three titles. The fighters do the work in the ring, but the trainers, the guy that helps put that game plan and make sure the guy's ready to go mentally physically knows the exes and knows what they're supposed to do. So Derek would be a great choice. To me, it's always about what's the interaction like between the fighter and the trainer. And I've always said that to a degree, trainers are a little bit overrated. It's all about does the boxer believe in the trainer. So if Anthony Joshua is not satisfied with what occurred with his relationship with Robert Garcia and he's looking to move on, that's his decision. But from my point of view, on the outside, watching what occurred, I know he lost the fight to usyk, but I thought that Anthony Joshua fought as well against us in that loss that he had in the previous fight in the loss to a sick as well as some of his other victories. I felt like there was a real chance to have a building thing with Robert Garcia there and that he probably should have kept him and it would have reminded me of was the great trainer, my long departed friend, the great Emmanuel Stewart, he hooked up with Vladimir Klitschko when he was at the low moment of his career. And in their first fight together, he lost against Lehman Bruce or by knockout in a vacant wbo heavyweight title fight. And a lot of people thought, well, you know, we lost that fight. His careers down the drain again. He's going to find a new trainer yet again and get rid of him. Because he didn't win that first fight with him.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"He's just got to hope that come January 7th that Davis is successful against Garcia as we've talked about, not the easiest fight in the world. And by the way, he may have kind of come out of nowhere Garcia, but he is undefeated. He was an Olympian, and he's got, like you said, two great upsets in a row. That people didn't really give him a chance to win. And he's earned the shot about Davis. I mean, against Davidson, what I like about Hector Luis Garcia is that after he beat Gutierrez in this past summer, he automatically right after like within days of that fight was calling out tank Davis. I'll go up to one 35 and fight him. If he wants to come down to one 30 and challenge me for my title, no problem. He's wanted this fight as soon as he got that belt. He may have even wanted it before he got the belt. So he's motivated and hungry for this fight. He also knows the kind of chaos that he can deal out to these guys if he derails javonte tank Davis. Yeah, it's not the same thing, but there could be a little beeville Canelo vibe to it in a way. Like are we discounting Hector Luis Garcia coming into this fight? I mean, Garcia physically is the bigger guy. Not that that's ever been a problem for tank before, but he's not coming in this undersized guy who's just gonna get swarmed and overwhelmed. I think this is a good fight. I'm looking forward to it on January 7th. All right, last weekend, we had a terrific fight on showtime. Frank Martin, he beats Michelle Rivera. This was viewed Dan coming in as a 50 50 type of fight or maybe 60 40 in favor of Martin. It was like 95 5 in favor of Martin when it was over. He drops Rivera in the 7th round. He wins. A lopsided decision. I thought it was an incredibly impressive performance by Frank mard that made me believe he's ready for a lot of a lot of things next year at a 135 pounds. What did you think? I agree with everything you said. I've liked Frank Martin for the last couple of years since I've seen him on some undercards going back, probably two years ago. I've been impressed by him. He has a good amateur background. He has obviously a good team behind him, you know, training with Derek James and being at the side of aerospace and Charlotte in the training camp. So he's got that going for him. He's also not 22 years old. He's already like 27, so he's as a person more mature. And it just looked like when you watch him like this guy's going places in a pretty good way that they didn't have to give him 2025 fights to get him prepared. He was still in the teens in terms of his total number of bouts, but they're willing to move quickly. He wants to move quickly and he showed against Rivera that there was a reason for that. And by the way, Rivera, who's younger than he was, you know, didn't shy away from taking this kind of fight either. So I give both guys credit. Listen, Frank Martin, when it was all said and done, he did exactly what he said he was going to do.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"Boxing with Chris Manning. Now somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Hosted by SI's Chris mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mannix. Welcome back to another boxing with Chris mannix, as always, you can listen to the show live on the amp app just follow Chris mannix on amp. And we are back. The last podcast before the Christmas holiday, happy holidays, everybody. Some of you celebrating Hanukkah. Some of you about to celebrate Christmas, some of you celebrating Festivus maybe. I'm a big festive fan. Myself, whatever it is that you're celebrating. I hope you're enjoying it. We've got a lot to get to on this podcast. A lot happening now as we get closer to the end of the year and into 2023 to discuss all that, I'm gonna bring in my friend Dan rayfield, longtime boxing reporter, commentator. Now the author of fight freaks unite on substack. You can subscribe to that page, also follow Dan on Twitter at Dan Rafael one. What's happening, Dan? How are you doing? I'm doing very good. I want to know, is this episode of your podcast since its fastest? Are we going to do an airing of our grievances? I get a lot of grievances. Especially with boxing, I got to let that, it's actually not a bad column, the airing of the grievances. I think that would piss a lot of people off, but that's not a bad idea for a column. We're worried about pissing people off. No, no, not so much, not so much, although I just, yes, the number of text message I get nowadays from pissed off people a little higher than I'd like at the moment. But it's neither here nor there. Dan, before we get into the topics this week, and we're going to talk about the mess in the 140 pound division. We're going to talk about a few other things. Frank, including Frank Martin, who looked great last weekend. Steve smoger, someone you know well, I know well, he passed away this week. Long time boxing referee boxing Hall of Famer inducted in 2015. I knew Steve a little bit as a referee.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"frank martin" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"You know, Spence has been a welterweight his entire career Crawford obviously moved up from lightweight in one world titles at 35 and 40 before he got to a welterweight. So he hasn't been a welterweight for his whole career or anything, but you can't, you know, it's got to be hard for el Spence, particularly because he's made the mistake of blowing up and wait between fights. It can't be easy for a guy who's 32 going on 33 years old to make that weight. He's 5 9 and a half, 5, ten, whatever he is and, you know, it can't be easy at that point. So hopefully sooner than later, they would that fight would happen. Let's just hope they keep winning and at least there's the possibility of that fight because I would favor Ennis, of course, but a fascinating fight. Virgil Ortiz is a beast. Offense. A lot of offense out of Virgil Ortiz offense and skill out of Jerome and it's an unbelievable fight for both those guys. Credit to your point, credit Spencer, being able to make welterweight this long. Guy fought the Olympics at one 52. He's been at one 47 for his entire pro career. Yeah, I don't blame him at all for wanting to move up and wait. So I do think by the middle of next year, last quarter of next year, winner of Ortiz standing onis will be the full title holder there, boots will be a full-time IVF and then hopefully saner minds can prevail and we're not doing this all over again at welterweight. All right, let's finish with the fight you're at. Terrific fight. Frank Martin, Michael Rivera, two guys undefeated. Martin is what, 27, Michael Rivera is 24. They're both contenders. Surprised we're getting this fight. This is a great fight for people like you and me that watch these guys coming up. It doesn't have the broad mainstream appeal. It's the kind of fight that to borrow a bob arum phrase that promoters would let marinate under different circumstances. Let me ask us, why are they fighting? I don't want to, I'm not poo pooing it because I'm glad it's happening, but why are these two guys fighting right now at this stage of their career?
KDWN 720AM
"frank martin" Discussed on KDWN 720AM
"Curry having a nice night. College basketball Matinee star. How about pepper? Dine taking out BYU? 76 73 Naturally as a dog pepper dying, plus the 6.5 so they get the outright win Nice money line there. Game Total was 1 49 Bet up from 1 46. Worst you could have done was pushed closing Total hits 1 49 76 73 pepper Dine with win at home, James Madison Down 11 early 2000 State come back when it by 15 game goes under stays under the total of 1 47.5. It's finishes at 1 41 78 63 The Duke's Get it done at home, James Madison over 1000 State. The South has played well for a while and then Rhode Island pulled away second half the roadies went 73 to 60. Fats. Russell was questionable. He did come in and play didn't shoot it well but got a ton of assist. And the Rams rolled 73 to 60 over the explorers in Philadelphia game staying under the total 81 59 Florida state. They continue to play outstanding ball beat upon Larrin Egas Miami Hurricanes 81 to 59 cover the 11.5. And game stays under by appointing a half in that one. Do cane crushes Fordham for him, of course, firing their coach Neubauer on now, boy without a coach, it's just Why was terrible today? If you're Fordham Rams fan 86 62 the final their game sales over the total easy cover for do Cane. Florida had a big lead, but only one by seven over Vanderbilt. They're laying 12.5 so they do not cover I'm going up and over the total by a few points 78 71 they beat Vandy 87 61 v. M. I was on the key debts. They beat Western Carolina crushed in 87 61 game, staying under the total providence and over time I have Providence minus 1.5 1 up to two. They win it by nine in overtime, the eventual loss in Wisconsin. In Milwaukee earlier against Marquette. When they got beat down and then the one that hurts me a scene hall being a jersey guy played the hall They had lost to Creighton in Omaha by 36. They led this game by 16 points with 11 minutes to go on their home court and they lose the game. 85 81 just a crusher game sales over the total real quick or run down the others. Central Florida beat East Carolina 71 64 They covered by a point. 77 69 to Citadel Surprises Wofford Nice effort very point dogs they wanted by 8 77 69 games staying under the total South Carolina rolls over Georgia at home. Frank Martin's boys, 83 59 crushed the Bulldogs 60 to 51 via Tech wins at Notre Dame, despite missing Rad for their second leading scorer, Bartek Easy winner there. Ohio State Goes back Wins Late doesn't cover, though, had a big lead earlier than Penn State blew the lead down the stretch. 83 79 the final in a game that sales over in Columbus, But guys get the win by four N. C. State on Lee wins by five. They were up 15 in their game in Raleigh. Beat wait far is by five. So it's a demon deacons that get the money in a game that stays under the total All Arkansas second half over Mississippi wanted by 15 74 to 59. They were minus four. So uneasy cover Saint John's rolls in Chicago beat the Paul 81 68 games staying under the total. Colorado state crushes Boise State beat Leon Rice is Bronco 78 to 56 107 to 59. Baylor Boy can't wait for them to play Gonzaga, but one of 7 to 59, you can be 48 Point win over Kansas State Boy. It is a tough year for Weber and those Wildcats, 70 to 58, Colorado. Knocks off Washington State. Glad I stayed away from this one line went up to 16 because Boynton was out for Wa Zoo and they cover They stay inside that number 70 to 58 the final Drake as I mentioned earlier swept Missouri state beating both games they get to cover by a point laying for they win it by five in the game sales over 78 73. Clemson beats Louisville breaks a losing streak And on ugly game 54 52 final The Tigers get the win laying 1.5, Wisconsin. As I told you beat Maryland and right now Utah State You know the underway second half 39 34. It is Utah State of 5 18 27 to go at the Thomas and Mack 10 State in a writing game beat bowling green 96 91 game selling over the total and see Greensboro rolled over Mercer 81. 68 on the ADD on board. 1982 ST Francis P. A. Beat Fairleigh Dickinson, 81 73, Northwestern state over New Orleans. 75 70 Sam Houston State beats Texas A and M Corpus Christi Nicholls State 76 69 beaten McNeese State Down there in Louisiana. 73 57 Houston Baptist crushes incarnate Word on the road in southeastern Louisiana gets past central Arkansas, Scottie Pippen's alma mater, 69 57. And then Long Island loses at home to Merrimack and the only other game 68 to 63 to two games on the ice. Nashville in a shootout gets past Chicago, 2 to 1 in 51. Vancouver crushes Ottawa 5 to 1 at home, and that is a complete look at the rich. Imagine Finley. Toyota out of town scoreboard will keep an eye on that UNLV game again. 39 34. That's a lot of scores to give out. But I got to do it at least once tonight, Joey que because You never know who's got money on the game Who's got their alma mater? Oh, on the line there or maybe has some money on some of these pro games, But I enjoy doing that the game within the game as we call it here in Vegas. And, you know, I remember my time in the service always had some fun times. I was some of the bodies and making some friendly wage or so to speak, You know, just depends out friendly. They were whoever found out found out. Whoever didn't didn't and you know, always back in teams. And then I became the sportscaster cause you talked about, you know your passion in the service and also sports, But I became the sportscaster on an aircraft carrier way back when in the eighties. The U. S s ranger, and it was different back then It wasn't all this computer stuff. I mean, everything was coming across on that automatic typewriter that teletype and printing these scores. And it was just like coming from the AP and U P I wires And that was a trip and sometimes, like college football Saturdays, I'd be in the Indian Ocean. So really, we be, you know, 17 hours ahead, So be Sunday and I'd be getting You know these scores, you know, and I'd already have the scores and like people have no clue that the games even started. You know, now I didn't want to take advantage there. Man Overboard man overboard. No, I didn't. But it was kind of cool to be the guy that was writing the sports page that one name was called The Ranger Gazette. And and having a many scores as I can. And then, of course, they had a regular because a carrier as big as it is, you know 5000 guys on that ship news, weather and sports. We had to calm her operation. And it was kind of cool to be that guy that knew all the sports scores and even the officers like You know they respected because they wanted to know about their team. But, man, I'm telling you when you cross the equator, if you weren't one of those guys that rooted for their team, you got that fire hose out. You know, the old initiation old Thompson's derriere took it pretty hard..
WSB-AM
"frank martin" Discussed on WSB-AM
"Great offers. Georgia and Carolina six. The dogs have not led yet. South Carolina scored the first four of the ball game. Georgia tied it at four and then fell behind 6 to 4. And then the dogs tied it again. It's six p. J Horn. With two quick fouls, however, chucking is out of the game right now. And Andrew Garcia and already scored. I mean, did immediately stepped on the floor and score that guy you know he does he produces when he's on the floor. Got to give him a lot of credit transfer from Stony Brook. Excuse me is not a great job. Tom Green. I gotta tell you one thing, though, this is this is where it really drives you the basketball purist. If you want to see the game played well, you know, there's this love of the three point shot, and I think coaches think Okay, if you shoot the three Well, you know you're going to score a lot of points. You win games. Yeah, it's not always that way between these two teams tonight. There are over eight. Uh, both teams are old aside many games is they're both over four behind the art. You know, you've got to learn that that mid range jump shot is still valuable. It's valuable in this game. And if you could, if you did not down, you know that 10 to 12 to 15 footer. You know it matters and it'll help you. You won't get you on SportsCenter, but it'll help you win games. Georgia with the basketball working into the front court quickly left into the floor Dogs and Red South Carolina in White Gamecocks in his own in a 23 zone, trying to force Georgia toe. Keep taking that three point shot. We get inside the Garcia and he will lay it up from the left side. Right in the restricted zone. Garcia got in deep was able to put it up with the left hand and score. Thank you. Stoney Brook Garcia played against South Carolina in his time at Stony Brook in his second year. With the Seahawks or the Seawolves believe it's stony Brook Carolina with a basketball here is Lawson for three right wing. That's no good foul on the floor on the rebound, Gonna go against the dogs, and you know what? That was only their fourth shot on that possession. That's two on tomorrow. Now. So two starters already with two fouls for the dogs, and we've got 14 26 still to go in the first half tomorrow is going to stay on the floor. 86, Georgia with its first lead. There's Garcia with a steel trying to lobby down deep underneath, and Garcia stepped in front of picked it off dogs with a ball wheeler with a terrific past two tomorrow. I can't finish on the block, but he got fouled, so we'll go to the line. Try to finish there. That's that's good to get to money on the line. It's even better if we'll see the good free throw shooting Toumani as opposed to what we have seen over past few games, but See him. Knock down some knock down some of these free shots there. Camara, just 56%. There's the good to money for his first point of the ball game. That free throw was all net. Tomorrow went three for seven against the Gators and that loss on Saturday. Below 60% but steps up in Barry's A couple there, I got to see didn't even touch the rim. Little that's great dogs with its large lead here, early on it for its 10 to 6, Georgia. Justin Minaya handles the basketball for Carolina. They have subbed in now. Jalen McCreary is playing for his his first game since January, 6th was traveling on the floor. South Carolina will turn it over with the travel. On you can hear Clean shaven, Frank Thomas bellowing from the sideline there in Colombia. He wasn't real happy with that. Well, coach Martin seldom happy did I say I said, I know who did I say? Said Thomas. Frank Thomas. Frank Martin. Yes, it is Frank Martin and his knights season. Frank Thomas. Does those testosterone commercials ball out of bounds under the basket. It's gonna Georgia will maintain the possession. To 13 seconds. Have plenty of time to work here. Fagan fires it in on a lotto tire over the wheeler back to Justin. Tired dribbles with right hand. Six on the shot clock for severe drives down the lane layup. Good off the glass. That's what we're used to seeing from severe. He just split the defense ripped right through it and scored on the lay in and it's 12 to 6 Georgia 13 17 to go Carolina again. Goes down deep. The ball is batted away. Coastguards trapped underneath the basket, Nowhere to go with it, trying to get it over to McCreary and Garcia is just giving him fits under the basket. I think they call the foul of South Carolina. But it looked like Garcia was tipping the ball and they may have hit his arm while he was tipping it to himself. No, he called about, okay. They're giving the ball to South Carolina Carolina will simply inbound it. Gamecocks basketball. Here's Trey Hannibal on the dribble the elbow curls around outside the arc now goes back to costar He ducks under the defender, Mrs Leaner. From 12. Ft. On the rebound is battered up the tunnel to the left. We're just giving him too many opportunities right around the glass, you know, right now, you know. They're not knocking him down, but seven offensive rebounds already Caroline that could turn around any moment 12 to 6, However, Georgia leads by six Carolina with a basketball. Mariah's holding it on the three point line, guarded by Kyra, who starred curls around, floats it up it in with right hand. Good. Inside the free throw line, who starred with his first points of the ball game is now two for six from the field. It's 12 to 8, Georgia by four with the ball. Chire thought about pulling the trigger on the three pulls it down and gives it to Wheeler. Back to Justin. Now he will shoot the three off the rim Far side and Christian Brown back in the game now for Georgia after missing the last two with an injury. And it gets whistle for a foul on the rebound. Welcome back, Chris. Well, Scott, you're right. Seven offensive rebound. South Carolina has the heart to know that. I mean, I just tells you right now how it's going on the defensive glass for Georgia, and that would mean not well. Well, Tom Crean talked with us about the importance of rebounding and in our pregame were already minus four and most of those on the offensive end. Christian Brown blocks a long jumper by South Carolina, but the Gamecocks get the ball back and then missed. A second opportunity. Katie Johnson's in for the dogs. Now, Azaz Andrew Garcia will be called for a charge down the left low block. Yeah, I think the officials just like the motion of that offensive foul in the energy they can put into it and send the ball in the other direction. Well, just calling a regular common foul. I thought that was debatable was to wear that was on the floor. I thought that may have well been inside in the zone who didn't catch a replay. Garcia picks up his follows So Georgia's five on the floor right now, or Katie Johnson and severe Wheeler, Kyrgyzstan, CIA and Christian Brown and now Ted Valentine will call on offensive foul on South Carolina and that will get us into a time out, and that could have been to make good. It may well have been 12 8. Georgia leads by four over South Carolina in Colombia. The foul was on Hannibal for the Gamecocks, and we'll be back for more Bulldogs basketball right after this on the Georgia Bulldogs Sports network. I love.
WSB-AM
"frank martin" Discussed on WSB-AM
"And go Dogs one final in the SEC today Already Auburn with 109 points today, beating South Carolina 109 86. The dogs will get South Carolina next Wednesday over in Colombia Wednesday night. At seven o'clock and Chuck. That's another serious that the dogs have had trouble with South Carolina's 18 in a row over the dogs. Their longest winning streak in the Serie is going all the way back to the 19 forties. You well, Frank Martin's had it going over there, but really struggling this year they've had and they've had some bounce with Colbert. Lot. Yeah, and it's it's affected them. But certainly Auburn offers a team It's playing so much better. I think they're a little like us, but we're playing better offers plan clearly a whole lot better right now, and they're gonna be a team that you have to deal with down the stretch, and we gotta go there and a couple of weeks. Both of those teams that you mentioned Auburn and Georgia, adding Key players Cooper for all burning course. Katie Johnson for the Bulldogs. And really elevating their play. 14 to 9 here. Georgia will inbound the basketball after the foul on the Gators got us into that previous time out Georgia leading by five looking for more here, Wheeler on the dribble curls around top of the key back door feet tomorrow left wide open for an easy in the air. Lay in. Well, severe spotted him too. That was beautiful 16 to 9 Wheeler. With the assist there. Severe already Chuck. He's already got five assists way barely played five minutes. He's over. He's over 100 for the year by the way, with five already in the first segment of the ballgame, Castleton turn around on the right block won't go rolls off the iron door. Uchi picks up the rebound for the Gators and scores a little jump hook from the left side. And that's where they're hurting us right now is on the glass, and that was just a Easy. Second Chance opportunity. Full court pressure by the Gators. They double key, Kyra in the backcourt. He jumps and fights Come are open at the half Court line now, Chire for three. On the other end, Mr badly to the right. Ford tried to chase down the rebound and tap it out. But no locks. Gonna retrieve the ball for the Gators. They feed Castleton down underneath. We got behind the defense, and he scores on an easy layer. Tony Greene. Somebody dropped something on the floor sixties, asking Who's the blonde who have long as a mouthpiece or know that it might be one of those GPS trackers? They feel like they have these little devices all the players, too. Track their activity. Heartbeat how fast they're running. All of that kind of stuff on one came off. One of the players are usually attached to the uniforms. Katie Johnson comes into the ballgame. Now quick feed from tire sprints down the middle of the floor curls around right baseline up to Cairo. Here's wheeler attacking all the way to the rack. Lay up, We'll go sales over the Iron rebound, Florida Castleton got it in the backcourt covers it up with both arms gets it to pray Man 16 to 13, Georgia with a three point lead. 14 22 to go in the first half man down the right side sweeping layup. Kiss off the glass goes good. It rattled through dogs inbound quickly find Johnson breaking behind the defense and Katie with running Lay up, but I've seen too many Florida Gator layups. We've got to start their their scorn at point blank range in the room 18 to 15 Dogs by 3 14 minutes to go in the half lakh holds for the Gators on the offensive end. Left wing goes around Katie Johnson floater from 10 in the lane. It's good one handed shot right up it in right down the chute. 18 to 17 dogs attacked quickly tire all the way to the backboard, and his layup attempt has blocked out of bounds by Florida It'll be the dog's ball. Plenty of time. 24 on the shot clock way. Get Garcia and and horn to the bench for the dogs are the Gators have 17 points that 10 ft shot. They just made next to the three pointer that they hit was a longer shot. They fit Tomorrow. Long jumper right wing for three won't go off the far side of the rim rebound down the Gators, Georgia not getting much on the offensive glass. Here's man almost walks in the paint almost throws it away underneath the basket. Castleton saved it short pass back TOC full ride in the semi circle, and he lays it up in another layup for the Gators, and they take the lead 19 days, 18 Georgia was up 16 to 9 and the Gators on a 10 to push here, leading it. By one with 13 05 to go in the half Whaler dribbles hard all splits. The defense left hand bounce pass to Garcia sliding across the lane to the right, trying to lay it up. It bounces off the iron, but he had filed in the process so close so close and Andrew Garcia, perhaps Georgia's best free throw shooter will be at the line 78% shooter 35, or 45 for the graduate transfer and Former all Conference players, Stony Brook 1918 Gators have had a one point lead three different times here in the half is, Garcia sinks the free throw to tie it at 19. Oh, good. You're making Andrew 66 £225 forward. Wait for that second foul shot. Georgia put Chiron the foul lane camaras down there as well. Garcia, the right hander missed it. That time had a little too flat, little too deep as it hit off the back rib Florida with a basketball. We're tied at 19 here in the first half. Gators come out of the corner with quest. Glover, Jump stop left edge of the lane tried to scoop it up and in Inside the paint hit the front of the rim rebound Garcia and the dogs. Wheeler's got it in the front court far right in but tomorrow open for three tries to feed it into the post. Garcia and it's lost out of bounds off Andrew's hands near the basket. Support dogs turn it over. Ask for money was just a little bit wider world needed to be in the sweet spot, and you couldn't control it. Dogs will give severe a bit of a break. We've got a time out coming. 12 42 to go in the first half. Michael Stark's junior college transfer from Miami, Florida will get into the ball game for the dogs. Florida ATTACKS Appleby Driving Scoop Shot Good lay up. Lay up, play up no defense around the bucket by the dogs. That time Appleby is the Gators of 21 19 League hadn't been just that time it Z most times so far. Starts with a slow dribble on the right side of the floor. Hands off to tomorrow. He'll give it to hire left leg to Katie Johnson 13 on the shot clock. Johnson. Hard right hand dribble. One handed past the Starks.
Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman NBA Podcast
Down Time Doesn't Exist for Tommy Amaker
"I mean, you're you're super involved now with the NBC and I love that Craig Robinson's done a phenomenal phenomenal job taking over being active. Like I feel like that organization was dormant for years and he's done a great job. And I know you you're involved in that you've been involved in some other things because otherwise your wife's going to I mean, like like there's no way if you're not doing something. What do you get going to be annoying her? Well, she know what first of all she's really busy and and everybody with with the zoom meetings and everything where you know, I mean one party email. She's another you know, we got the we have to find out what when I can walk in and out of the kitchen, you know, because she's there in that area. So we gotta get our schedules coordinated, but but you're right just you know, as far as the dog See, you know, the National Association of Basketball Coaches is our governing body, you know for all of our divisions all divisions of college basketball and we're very proud of the association and I'm I'm very proud to be on the board of directors of that. I've been on that now for for a while and and now that you mentioned Craig being on new executive director and he's doing as you said so well a tremendous job of like us and supporting us, you know, we have great leadership and you know take anything away from Jim Haney, you know, but Craig is jumping in now and Baton has been passed to him and and we're proud to be a part of it together and I want a few committees. Actually. I'm on I'm co-chair myself and Frank Martin from South Carolina. We co-chair the racial reconciliation committee, which is a very important job that was created after the George Floyd murder and I was asked to share that and I was wow, you know, it was really blown away that I was asked to do it and but we've taken initiatives, you know, we've been fighting for certain things with them. Organization to help you know us to you know, bring about change to make a difference, you know in our society and through basketball, you know, whether that's the elimination of trying to take on elimination of old SAT and ACT test standardized test, you know, we're doing things when we were heavily involved with other coaches as well with voter registration, you know, some different things that have come up, you know come down and I have been a part of you know, something as anchor coaches for another initiative. That was his his baby in his brainchild is called a John McLendon minority leadership under the name that you guys, you know know who and and Bob you probably you probably knew, you know, coach McLendon. I wish I did know I didn't yeah. Oh totally well aware of. Yes, just the legendary faith. And and so we're we're you know, we have that's a coach driven initiative. You know, we're all coaches. We have Patrick Ewing. We have Coach K. We have Dabo swinney's Nick Saban football basketball. What channel is the one he and I have kind of been the anchor coaches, but it's been he's driven. It has been his idea. And that's something that we're bringing about having minorities more minorities women and men wage being having exposure and access and opportunity on athletic campuses to become Future Leaders, you know, we've talked about how do we get more? You know black people African Americans minorities in leadership positions. Well, this is one of the ways that we can try to do that to help diversify athletic departments.