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World Is Getting Windier; How Much Should You Spend On Holiday Shopping?

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World Is Getting Windier; How Much Should You Spend On Holiday Shopping?

"From NPR and WBZ YOU are. I'm Jeremy Hobson. It's here now. We're following breaking news from London where police are dealing with a terrorist attack today on London Bridge Bridge. A number of people were stabbed and a man with a hoax. Explosive device on his chest was shot and killed by police. Prime Minister Boris Johnson returned to his office at at number ten Downing Street to monitor the situation and the incident comes less than two weeks before the British election and ahead of a NATO summit in London next week joining joining us. Now is BBC. Security correspondent Frank Gardner Frank. This started around two PM London. Time what more do we know about what happened. The events unfolded very quickly. Indeed read this man had a very large knife indeed measuring well at least eight inches from what I can see the video footage and he lashed out at a number of people Several people have been injured that so far no reports of any fatalities other than the suspect himself. He was overpowered by pedestrians. He's on this bridge. This London Bridge is a well known landmark in London in it's also the scene of an earlier terrorist attack About two years ago and and they dived onto him which point police turned up armed police and they shouted instructions. People moved off him. And in fact you can actually see in one video police dragging somebody off the suspect. At which point the suspect did something that made the police father weapons a single shot purpose fired and they've confirmed that he was shot dead at the seat. He died of his injuries at the scene. They almost certainly shot him because he appeared to be carrying an and explosive device and improvised explosive device. which they said was a hoax? It was a dummy device. So they weren't taking any chances that they would have would have shot him to prevent prevent him from activating the device So this is being treated as a terrorist incident and they've not released the identity when I spoke to officials they didn't new the identity of the suspect. It's modern intelligence led police operation in other words. This was an entirely reactive spontaneous. Police he's action reacting to something suddenly happened with no warning will and you mentioned the attack in two thousand seventeen on London Bridge. There was also an attack on Westminster Bridge and other bridges crossing the Thames in London. These attacks must be on everybody's minds as they watch what's happening today. The most on it. It's I have to say surprising to some people in counter-terrorism that somebody would choose yet again a bridge and London Bridge. I mean since that attack in two thousand seventeen on London Bridge. They've putting precautionary measures that they've put in like a guardrail so that nobody could actually drive off in a van. Say off off them off the road. Part of it onto the pavement and crush pedestrians said they've put him precautionary measures and yet once again a bridge is being used as has some kind of an attack now in the last few weeks. Britain Lewis said it's national terrorism threat level to what's called substantial. We have kind kind of grading system of five here the highest being critical and then severe and then substantial and so he was lowered from severe down to substantial storming being the terrorist attack is possible but not as likely as it was so I think there will be some people now wondering whether they should raise it back up. The major priority of course is to secure the area and that the police have done that. They've put a cordon around it. They've evacuated number of premises nearby. They put up chords that are going to stay in place for some time. The immediate priority is to find out who this attacker was Who He knew what was his motivation had he had he been anywhere? They will be searching his home. I'm looking at his digital footprint and frank. This comes less than two weeks before an election in the UK and also as we mentioned in this NATO summit happening in London next week. Does this change anything in terms of the dynamic for the election. Do you think I didn't think it will. I mean the the the Conservative Party which is in the lead in the polls at the moment they linked to say that they are tough on crime but under their government around twenty thousand. Police officers were caught said. The police are understaffed in this country. So I'd like to say normally that they are strong on law and order and Certainly Pretty Patel. Who is the the what's called the Home Secretary of the interior minister here? I guess you could call the. She's the nearest thing to to kind of homeland security chief She has his reputation for being pretty tough on on on terrorism and security and in fact there is talk of extending sentences for some people so so I don't think it will have an immediate bearing on it. All parties will condemn what's happened There's new new sympathy for terrorism identikit. Any autism autism is competing in this election. It's BBC security correspondent. Frank Gardner in London. Frank thank you. You're welcome well this week. That bomb cyclone that hit the west coast hosts brought hurricane force winds one gust in Oregon of one hundred six miles per hour. It's just one storm but it's also part of a trend. The world is getting windier the new to study in the journal Nature. Climate change says global wind speeds have risen dramatically over the past ten years joining us now is one of the Co authors of the Study Timothy Searching Pinger. He's a research scholar at Princeton. University's Woodrow Wilson School. Welcome thank you very much. So tell us what your study found exactly. Well it found three things one is that there has been a clear belief that there has been a slowing of global wind speed from nineteen eighty eighty on that has been a source of concern because it means unknown changes in global climate system and also because it means lower wind power but one thing we showed. Was that actually that reversed in two thousand ten and has increased significantly to twenty twenty seventeen and we expected to increase. How do you measure that? Well that's actually a big complication. There are wind measuring systems win monitors in various places around the world at different elevations and because they have differing quality and because they have differing biases heights. Whatever you have to do a a lot of statistical analyses to make sure that when you're combining them together you're getting an accurate picture but you're pretty confident that at this point wins are getting faster then they were at least in two thousand ten or in the period between nineteen eighty two thousand ten correct and a big part of the paper was doing a wide variety of statistical tests to demonstrate that and it's demonstrated I think quite convincingly and what's the effect of it one affect is on our wind power so the wind generation and turbans is a cubic function of wind speeds? And when you increase the wind speed by little bit you still increase power quite lot not and also you can cut off. These periods wind is too slow to generate power so as a result the average wind turbine in the world old would be able to generate about seventeen percent more electricity in two thousand seventeen than it did in twenty ten. So that's one big effect Another thing the paper showed is that the explanations of global was called Global. Stilling were incorrect. which is good news news? So there was a fear of belief that actually kind of increased numbers of buildings actually some places increased vegetation was causing a kind of a surface roughness that was a barrier to wind speeds and there was slowing wins a Wednesday humans were slowing the wind down base that humans were slowing the winds down. And what this paper showed is. That's actually not. The case is influencing wind speeds are these they're called ocean oscillations which are Different patterns of pressure pressure and temperature and wins in different parts of the ocean. That go through these sometimes irregular but of recurring patterns. uh-huh so that's good that it's not humans causing this permanent change and we're able to benefit from the increasing wind speed now and probably at least for the next decade but it also means that at some point or other we will get stilling effect again so humans are not causing the change in wind speeds based on the buildings that we have up all around the world but is human driven climate change causing the increase in wind speeds well. This study wouldn't show that this study would show it's more. Ah these regular oscillation patterns these recurring patterns of where pressure is and ocean. Temperatures are but but it is possible that there is some effect from climate. Change is just that. We didn't try to tease that out in this paper. So let's talk about what it means for wind energy so you said that The increase in wind speeds explains half the increase in US win capacity factor since two thousand ten is that significant enough that it will really spur the United States to push forward in wind energy in a way that it has not yet done. I'm not sure it's going to have a gigantic policy. The effect but what it does have is an engineering effect. It means that when you size wind turbines you can size them differently to take advantage I antigen of that additional power. That's really the key point. Is that if we can predict these changing patterns ten years in advance we can incisa turbans so that they take advantage of the maximum. Amount of wind is reasonable and economical so for example. If we'd known in two thousand ten and that the speed was GonNa pick up we could have built slightly larger turbans that would've therefore captured even more energy that is timothy searching her. WHO's one of the CO CO author of a new study that found global wind speeds have increased his research scholar at Princeton? University's Woodrow Wilson School. Thanks for joining us. Very happy to be. Uh i-it's Robin Young thanking you for listening to the here and now podcast and inviting you to contribute to support it at donate dot. MPR Dot org slash now for all the reasons that you listen here now helps you make sense of the world and when you donate to your NPR station. You're supporting the journalism that brings context and perspective to the news and conversations with people making a difference in the arts music and culture so please make donation to your NPR station today and that investment will come right back to your ears just go to donate dot MPR dot org slash now we're building NPR. And its member stations. Thanks to you. Now let's get back to the news This is here now. As Americans were celebrating Thanksgiving North Korea was testing a large multiple rocket launcher firing too short range missiles into the Sea North Korea and the US have been unable to make progress on a deal that would reduce economic sanctions on North Korea in exchange for North Korea abandoning its nuclear ambitions were joined now by. NPR correspondent Anthony Kuhn in Seoul. South Korea Anthony Anthony Welcome. Hey Jeremy so president trump and the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have been back and forth on nuclear talks for a long time. Now where are we with. The situation wishes this moment. One way of looking at it is that we are thirty plus days before the year's end and North Korean deadline Kim Jong Un one is basically said if the US does not offer fresh concessions by the end of the year he may just give up on nuclear negotiations with the US altogether and go back to testing testing nuclear weapons and missiles and that is needless to say very worrisome. That takes us back to where we were in two thousand seventeen except that there will have already been a couple of visits with the president of the United States which is a change from where we were before that in terms of the relationship with North Korea. They've already gotten something that they wanted. That's right The sort of nuclear brinkmanship was in two thousand seventeen with trump threats of fire and fury. Then that was followed by year of diplomatic breakthroughs throughs starting with the US. North Korea Summit in Singapore in two thousand eighteen and three inter-korean summits and then this year a summit between trump and Kim again again in Hanoi in February that fell apart and trump and Kim meeting at the Demilitarized Zone between the two Koreas in which President Trump actually stepped into North Korea. Now talks installed most of the rest of the year through that working-level negotiations resumed in Stockholm last month. But they quickly fell apart. Do Do you think that before the end of the year that a deal or another nuclear summit with President Trump looks likely looks like Very Long shot at at this point. The US is saying we didn't make this deadline. It's got nothing to do with us. North Korea put that deadline on itself and North Korea's saying we don't one summit if it's just going to be a formality. We don't want any sort of meeting. It doesn't give us concrete benefits so they seem to have a Made the preparations to just let the clock run out possibly on the year and possibly on the entire trump administration. They may just wait until the next one. Well Anthony Anthony if this whole process after all this time and all this work fails. What's GonNa be the reason for that? Well the two sides just had a completely Different view of what the N. Goldline's the. US has always seen complete irreversible and verifiable denuclearization is the last is the final state North Korea intends to hang onto its weapons but perhaps freeze them or give away a part of them in exchange for sanctions relief and some security guarantees. So they're they're starting out from different objectives and they're they're just not narrowed the differences through talks and obviously really a big part of the equation is South Korea. And I want to ask you about that. The US is asking South Korea to pitch in five billion dollars. WHO's next year for? US troops that are stationed in the country have been stationed in the country for a long time. South Korea paid less than one billion dollars this year. How did the US in South Korea get into this tiff well? There were talks but the two sides positions were so far apart that the US walked out on its ally and the talks collapsed lapsed now. The trump administration wants all of its allies to pay more and South Korea's first in its sights and they're going to try the same thing on Japan and probably allies in Europe and president. Trump has suggested that some of the twenty thousand five hundred troops here in this country could be withdrawn drawn if saul does not pay up. Actually Congress passed a law saying that the president can only take out a few thousand troops beyond which he needs to get the the secretary of Defense to certify that that's actually in the nation's security interest to do what people in South Korea are saying. Is that the. US has not been unclear about how this five billion breaks down or what the rationale for is and if it turns out that what they're asking for is actually more more than the cost of basing those troops than their than critics are going to accuse the of treating its allies as cash cows tweeting alliances as sort of for profit enterprises in treating US troops as mercenaries. So does it seem likely ask you the same question I did about North Korea. Does it seem likely that the US and South Korea are going to agree on a deal here. When I think a deal is possible? You know we don't know if the US really expects to get five billion dollars or if it's just a sort of a bargaining ploy and they'll settle for for two or three last year they ask for a fifty percent increase and they got an eight percent increase and that is because South Korea is a democratic country. Any any deal that is made has to be ratified by lawmakers by their national legislature. And they got this eight percent increase because the legislators said well that's what we're gonNA increase our national defense budget by so that's okay but this time lawmakers said if this deal is not fair we're not going to ratify it. You just visited it Camp Humphreys which is at the heart of a lot of the cost sharing issue it's the largest. US military base on the peninsula. It's actually the largest. US base outside of the United States. What did you find there? I found Popeye's I found. I found twenty four hour gyms. I found modern three bedroom apartments for military families. I found the place that could look very much any town. USA So this place. Is this an area. The size of downtown Washington DC just goes on and on and in the event of another war with North Korea this would become a massive staging base from moving troops and equipment onto the peninsula and is about an hour's drive south of Seoul in a city called young tech which is now really taking off with his base there. What I also saw was that this gigantic attic base is now a big fat target when they made the decision to move to Camp Humphreys more than a decade ago North Korean artillery in rockets couldn't hit it now they can hit? Just what about anything on the entire peninsula so the move seems like a good decision for a peacetime you get economies of scale. You save money on logistics. You get better. You're living conditions from the soldiers but you know it is a big fat target and the US really can only rely on deterrence to keep it from getting hit. Now I want to just ask you anthony because before moving to Seoul you spent many years as NPR's correspondent in Beijing and there's been so much what's going on in China recently I ask you what you make of the developments in Hong Kong with these pro. Democracy protesters has been going on for months now demanding that they get to keep an even expand the democratic aspect of their society and Beijing really wants to move give them closer to how the rest of China is. Yeah that's right You know I was there for reporting mostly during June and August and that was when you had the biggest marches arches when they got as many as two million people into the streets of Hong Kong and it was all nonviolent. And I think that's what up until now has had the biggest political impact and and led to the withdrawal of this extradition. Bill that was the immediate cause of the protests. Now things are a lot more desperate in a lot more violent. No side seat shows sign of giving in. I think everybody agrees that the matter can only be solved through political negotiations not street violence not law enforcement. But it's not happening now. Some people may say well the only thing Beijing can do is intervene militarily and that would be too much of a blunt on on their international reputation but think about nine hundred eighty nine Tiananmen Square if they feel that their survival as a regime is threatened they'll take the block on their international reputation. Put the protests down no hesitation. Okay well speaking of Beijing feeling like they're regime is threatened. Let's talk finally about the these. Are Muslims living in the Xinjiang region of China and Beijing has been putting them into camps and prisons over the last three years. A million of them is this a human rights tragedy unfolding before our very eyes It certainly is but in a sense. It's bigger than that. In a sense it really is is like Hong Kong. Both of them are regions. On China's periphery both of them have pro independence movements that Beijing is very worried about and both of them are in a sense minorities the leaguers speaker sort of Turkic language and people in Hong Kong many of them speak Cantonese documents obtained by The New York. Times make clear that this was indeed a very sweeping campaign targeting Islamic extremism orders orders were given to roundup whoever needs to be round up. This came from the very top of the system President and Party boss. Xi Jinping and that Xi Jinping had some some really ideological goals in mind and there are other countries that target radicalism and tried to d program radicals but as the report sort from the New York. Times make clear. They tried to treat extremism as disease and cure people of it and this happened with apparently lack back of due process in violation of China's own laws outside the court system and it appeared to make no distinction between radical Islam and simple religious. This devotion expressed things such as praying five times a day eating hall or wearing veils and growing beards will and I was asking a an expert here in the US us about it recently. And I asked you know if the United States really put pressure on China to back off in Chin John would they do it and he said no they don't care. This is about their their regime and their power All across the country in China. Yeah and as I said like Hong Kong Long. They're concerned about an independence movement there. It's a cultural minority. It's a linguistic minority. It has not always been part of the Chinese nation. So that's a matter of sovereign tee regime survival to them that is. NPR's Anthony Kuhn. Who was the correspondent in China and is now based aced and Seoul South Korea? Anthony thanks much my pleasure. Jeremy it is black Friday but the lines at many stores may not be as long as consumers look for deals online instead. The data firm Adobe analytics says online sales yesterday were up twenty percent from a year ago and almost half of those purchases were made on mobile devices. Americans are expected to spend an average of six hundred and thirty seven dollars per person this holiday season. According to one estimate for more let's go to Jill Schlesinger business analysts with CBS. News and host. Steve Dillon Money Joe. Thanks for joining us. Oh great to be with you okay. So six hundred thirty seven dollars per person on average does that strike you as a lot or a little. You know I guess yes it depends you know we always read those scary reports about how Americans don't have four hundred dollars to pay for an emergency exhibits and so when I see six hundred like well that seems like a lot considering that on the other hand if you're cooking a big dinner and you're going out and spending some money that money does add up so obviously we hope that everyone spends within his or her means but don't go nutty out there when I always tell people that number one piece of financial advice that I got many years ago and I think it is so dead on is pay off your credit card bill every month if you can because you're just wasting your money the on these extremely high interest payments. If you don't do that is there ever a situation joe where you would say okay fine. Go ahead ahead in. Run up some dead on your credit card bill for Christmas presents or holiday presence. I'll tell you a couple of reasons why I think it's a bad idea. Number One is many people will do This let's say you know what I'm going to get a tax refund till run up a card. Don't do that. I know you don't know you're not running your estimated taxes and you probably may find wind. It's not enough money to pay the bill. But I think more importantly it is about your habits and the way you form those habits and so as you say that if you can use a credit card responsibly fantastic. That's great paid off every month. But if you're the kind of person you know yourself then what you try to avoid actually putting get on the credit card and this is akin to saying well. I'll speak for myself. Hey I really like chocolate chip cookies. I am not going to have chocolate chip cookies in my house because I we know that stupid thing for me right. I agree with you. One hundred percent about chocolate chip cookies said we're on the same page and the other holiday shopping tips. Jill there are so many ways as to kind of deal with the holidays in in such a smart way. I just just taking advantage of it. So technology has been really great and you can get organized and download various APPs that they lie to scan barcodes of products and compare prices. They're all out there. The question is will you actually use use them and maybe this is the year where you say to yourself. Wait a second. I remember when Jeremy and Jill were talking and they kept talking about not so much a spending any beyond our means but spending on experience and what we do know about the holidays and gift giving in general is people. Don't remember the gift you've given the remember the experience so maybe your gift to your niece. Your nephew is we're going out and we're doing something fun. We're going to the zoo. It's something like that. It doesn't have to break the bank and also it could be really something that you make for someone a photo album or something like that might be much more memorable than in Apple Watch you know that is such such a great point and I've just come up with what you should make me. What do you want chocolate chip cookies? Obviously Jill Schlesinger business analysts with CBS news host of money and apparently fairly still hungry. post-thanksgiving Jill thank you take care officials in southeast Texas say a massive chemical plant land fire has been contained in. They've lifted an evacuation order for around fifty thousand people residents in and around the city of port niches were told to leave on Wednesday after a large explosion. Tore through the T. P. C. Group chemical plant eighty miles east of Houston home security camera captured the blast in the middle of the night. The three workers at the plant were injured all have since been released from the hospital. The blast blew out windows of nearby houses ripped doors off their hinges and cracked walls and ceilings. Mike Tobias works for the school district and spoke with. ABC News. You saw light. He felt the house rattle but a second or two later. The shock wave sort of hit. The House was very loud mainly because the front door blue win and the door your frame blew out so at that point the house was coming down and first instinct was grab the kids we needed to get out of the house. The city ordered all residents within a half mile mile to evacuate as the chemical fire. That followed sent a black plume of smoke above the city trauma director of Health Safety and security for. TPC Group spoke at a news conference. What's the plume is what it is? I mean it's it's a byproduct of burning hydrocarbons that we have in the facility as well as burning metal Burning Grass ask anything else that the fires consuming along the way. The Texas Commission on environmental quality warned the burning chemicals can cause shortness of breath headaches and nausea the EPA okay says it is monitoring air quality and environmental advocates. Are Warning these kinds of disasters could become more common because the trump administration has been relaxing chemical safety regulations Now let's get back to our conversation with Patrick burly who has a rare genetic mutation that caused him to go through puberty Hubert as a toddler. It's a condition called precocious puberty or tests toxic asus. I was about three years old and I weighed as much and was as is tall as a seven year old and had the testosterone levels of a fourteen year old kind of deep in the throes of puberty. Burley is now forty and he wrote about his experience in January in New York magazine and talked to us about it earlier this year. He told us his father had the same genetic mutation so did his grandfather and his great grandfather asked Patrick Burly about his great grandfather who looked so much older than he was that he lied about his age to join the army and Burley says he was the youngest American to serve in World War One. He ran away from home at age ten. And you know. Oh kind of taken with patriotic fervor. He joined and he was shipped off to war and was like fighting in the trenches fighting on the front lines by the time he was eleven and twelve years old and they didn't discover his his real age he he you told them that he was twenty years old and he looked convincingly twenty years old at the time is and he got drunk. With some fellow soldiers offers end. They took a cargo plane up. They essentially hijacked it and we're kind of joy riding and when it was grounded he got in trouble and and as punishment they sent him once more to the front and he suffered mustard gas poisoning and was hospitalized and only then when did the US government discover that he was actually only thirteen time and they sent him home. He had a momentary flash of celebrity when the newspapers caught wind of the story and they dubbed him. The youngest Yank now when you are telling this story I in New York magazine. You talk about how when you were deciding to have kids of your own. You wanted to test for this and and try to remove this gene If possible So that your child wouldn't have to go through the same thing you did in your father did and your grandfather and great-grandfather did Tell me a little bit about your thought process on that when when you are thinking about what your kids life would be like. Well you know I didn't. I didn't know now when we were going through the process of of thinking about having a child. I didn't know that it would be possible to to test for this. It hadn't it didn't occur to me and my wife and I ended up doing in vitro fertilization And we ended up with fertilized embryos and my wife is happens to be an endocrinologist and so we found out that we could test the embryos for the L. H.. CGIAR mutation. And so I was kind of. I was faced suddenly with this decision. You know whether or not to select out for this mutation and it it feels like an obvious decision right like why would I ever wish the challenges that I endured on my own in child but it ended up being a lot more complex than that because You know this this mutation for all of off the struggles it really kind of has it defined me you know I certainly at defined my childhood and had had a profound and lasting impact on how I think about myself and probably the path that I've taken the same is true for my father and my grandfather grandfather and great-grandfather and and selecting out for that mutation eliminating it from my lineage. It in a way it felt but like you know eliminating this essential part of myself and that was a feeling that was kind of surprised me But it was it was present and your dad didn't want you to do it. He he didn't he didn't and which kind of shocked to me because because you know having precocious puberty had been so traumatic for him that it's not like even something that he really wants to talk about with me so I was surprised that he encouraged me not to do it. I mean he would have supported me either way but I think that he I felt the same way that I did. which is that It was very hard but you know that sort of that cliche. Like what doesn't awesome. Kill you makes you stronger. You know and it's sort of it led to this conversation which I write about in the article one of the first and only Kind of conversations conversations that we've ever had about our shared experiences having precocious puberty which he said to me you know your son if he inherits Heritz this disease. He'll with you as his father. He'll be fine and I have confidence in you as a parent and so my wife and I we talked about it a lot and sort of investigated all of our options. And in the end we felt like we were capable love dealing with it and also that The treatment had sort of progressed. Far enough that our son were he to inherit it How would be alright reminds? You have the Mr Rogers saying also kind of Cliche but very accurate. which is I like you just the way you are? Yeah that's right and who's definitely it was moving to hear that from my father and especially because I I still will you know and I think if I can speak for him. He does as well. Like I still carry around this feeling of being a mutant in a way like like. There's something wrong with me. So yeah so those words are are meaningful and now you have two kids of your own and as far as you know. Ah Neither of them. has this genetic mutation. That's right so we. We rolled the dice with our son and luckily he. I didn't inherit the mutation and our daughter who's a year and a half. We haven't tested her. Because the mutation won't doesn't manifest in women because you have to have testicles so we'll either get her tested later or show test herself before she has her own children and Windy. You think you'll tell your son if you haven't already about your experience that's a good question. I don't know I think maybe in a few years he'll be four soon and And it's a pretty complex concept but you know probably in the next few years I think. Well it's an amazing Story what one experience you've had and I must say you are a fantastic writer. People should check out your your piece in New York magazine gene which will link to it here now dot org that is Patrick Burly. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you With in the past six years there have been more than eight thousand cases aces of solitary confinement and immigrant detention centers across the US. That number has gone down in recent years but the length of stay in some centers is still on average fifty days. He's the impacts can last even longer as me Jimenez from Member Station K. U. O. W. Reports Rahul Rahul always has a backwards baseball had on and behind his ear. A number two pencil. He Works Construction Building Cabinets. So it's always handy. We're not using his real name because of his immigration status entered the US illegally from Mexico with his wife and young kids in early two thousands and court records show that after a Dui. He ended up in detention at the Northwest Immigration and Customs Enforcement Processing Center in Tacoma Washington. While there he went on a hunger strike to protest conditions like the food and treatment by guards. He ended up in solitary confinement. Instrumentalists in General Santos physical cynical. He says the suffering isn't really physical but psychological not everyone can withstand being locked up alone. It's unclear if is put in solitary to monitor his health or for disciplinary reasons. An ICE design standards manual indicates segregation. Rooms are sixty square. Feet that describes his cell is a white brick room with no windows about the size of a parking space personalty. The impulse hit me. This has been history. He says it's maddening. As time passes it's harder to be their role thinks he was in solitary solitary for twenty to thirty days. But he's not sure he lost track of time. His immigration attorney confirms. It was twenty days. He says the hallway away lights were always on. Sometimes he heard people talking to themselves or yelling when I asked if his time and attention changed him he brushes it off. I ask instead. What do his friends say Pacific simply historian Quentin? His friends. Say He's quieter now. More reserve any stays in his room room a lot. He says he wasn't like that before. Rule is one of two hundred and seventy two cases of solitary at Isis Tacoma facility between two thousand thirteen to two thousand seventeen that's according to the public data obtained by the International Consortium of investigative journalists on average detainees spent spent fifty one days in isolation the longest time was seven hundred eighty one days. We use segregation as a last resort. If you will can make sure that while someone is in custody their care remains at optimum level that they are safe. That's Natalie Asher. She's the field office director for immigration. Shen and customs enforcement in the northwest. She points out that solitary is not just used for disciplinary reasons for example rival gang members or separated for their own protection action other times. It's to monitor for medical issues including someone on hunger-strike detainees with mental health. Problems can also end up in segregation. If there's there's not space in the medical unit. They're being very very closely monitored by our mental health staff it may be best for the safety and frankly monitoring and care of the detainee to be in administrative segregation a third of cases of solitary confinement between twenty thirteen to twenty. He's seventeen had mental health flags on their profiles according to public records. That means that at some point either before during or after their stay in solitary detainees showed symptoms of mental illness Beth farmer is a licensed clinical social worker who works with immigrants refugees. It is accepted that solitary confinement. It does make People's mental health symptoms much much worse part of farmers work is to conduct mental health. Evaluations for People's immigration cases is and she's evaluated several undocumented immigrants at the detention center in Tacoma there's some factors like specifically related to depression that isolation and makes depression much worse so I think that that Isolation Simpson helplessness sense of hopelessness. According to a report by the United Nations solitary should only be used in rare cases and not at all for youth and individuals with mental illness back rows apartment. The room is sparse a couch but no dining room table. No pictures on the wall. He spent two and a half years in detention and then he was eventually deported. In Two thousand sixteen arrays. The tourism was military supplied. Me Familiar. He puts them roll. Says he lost just everything. He couldn't stay connected those three kids or wife. They eventually separated. He says he lost his fear too and just a few months after being deported he came back for my kids. And it's important for life even even if that means facing the risk of attention all over again for here now. I'm asthma. Human is in Seattle and here now is a production of NPR and W R in association with the BBC World Service. WanNa think our a holiday staff today working instead of shopping on this black Friday although maybe some of them are shopping online Franky Perez. Tengku Ray Todd Munt she co theory Sam rifle. Sin and Serena McMahon Alexander Karen Miller medicine. James Trout Mike Mosquito and Chris Bowman. I'm Jeremy Hobson it's.

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"This episode is brought to you by vitamix. Our podcast listeners can receive free priority shipping from vitamix. In this holiday season vitamix will be running a variety of promotions with all of their products products. You can purchase your new vitamix vitamix dot com and you will not have to pay for shipping and you will get it before the holidays. That is around forty dollars in savings. It's a great time of ear to buy a vitamix for yourself and give one to your favorite someone. There are great promotions on product and free priority shipping courtesy of stuff. You missed in history class at vitamix DOT COM. Just make sure to use the keyword history. Happy Saturday everybody as we promise last Saturday today. We have another episode Bush Rangers from previous hosts Sarah and this first came out on September fourteenth. Two thousand eleven and it covers the early years of Bush Rangers in Australia. Pinhas note similarly slash time episode. It's eight years old at this point and if we were recording today probably update some of the language about things like incarceration and criminal justice otherwise ice enjoy welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. Production of iheartradio's. How stuff works? Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm blaming chocolate boarding and I'm Sarah Dowdy and okay the summer. We did a podcast on Ned. Kelly in we talked about the mystery of skull that was turned in by it was turned into Australian authorities by a farmer named Tom. Back in two thousand nine and boxer wouldn't say how he came to have it but he claimed that it was the skull of Ned. Kelly a notorious Bushranger who was captured convicted. Had An hanged back in the eighteen hundreds after getting into a now famous shootout with the police which we covered in our episode. Ned Kelly's last stand. We also speculated it's a little shady to not mention how you come across the head. I don't know that sounds suspicious of yeah. There's still more to know. There are especially in light of recent news but the skull had been stolen from Melbourne Gaol in nineteen seventy eight so there was a chance that the one backs are turned and could have been authentic but experts at the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine had trouble adding it and so by the time of that last podcast we did. The story had kind of gone cold but then just is the other day September. First another ned. Kelly story broke and we heard from listeners. All over the world about immediately so many emails I know I feel like I arrived at work and I my entire. inbox was filled with Ned. Kelly related emails. It was really a because shining moment for Steffi missed in history class listeners. Clearly everyone was on alert for Ned. Kelly News and I was. I was touched that everybody thought of US too. So that news wasn't about the skull but but the rest of Ned Kelly's remains had been identified. His body had been moved from Melbourne Gaol to Pentridge prison back in nineteen twenty nine and and buried there in a mass grave with thirty three other prisoners so after the skull surface the remains had been exhumed in two thousand nine and the V.. The IFM was able to identify those remains thanks. Largely to a DNA sample that was taken from a Melbourne. Schoolteacher named Leigh Olver. Who is the great grandson of Kelly sister? So little modern science coming into play here. Yeah and how cool is that. I mean he must be like the most famous person in Australia at the moment can imagine being one of his students but anyway the the remains there an almost complete skeleton with a lot of wear and tear as you might imagine if you know anything about the Ned Kelly Kelly story and it's missing most of a skull so there's definitely more to come on the story and we'll pick up with that a little more later on but of course hearing about this exciting discovery. Discovery reminded US how fascinated we are by the stories of Bush Rangers who are of course Australian outlaws or bandits who robbed stage coaches banks and small settlements elements for about one hundred years starting in the late seventeen hundreds and in our last podcast. We talked a little bit about Bush Rangers and there were a lot of them thousands in fact during during the time that we talked about they even outnumbered the number of wild west outlaws in America. Just to give you kind of an idea for comparison's sake but we also mentioned that. There are two distinct distinct sub periods of Bush ranging. Right Sara yes though there's one from about Seventeen eighty-nine to the eighteen fifties and those Bush rangers were mostly the escaped convicts in. That's the group that for the most part. We're going to be talking about today that I wave of Bush Rangers. But we've got to discuss us. The convicts situation a little bit too because in case some of you don't know there was a very strange prisoner deal going on in Australia during the eighteen hundreds or even the seventeen hundred so just some background information for you here. Australia was settled by Britain in the late eighteenth century and most of the first settlers lers who came over in seventeen eighty. Seven were convicted British felons and some of them had been stuck on prison ships for years and years because after the American revolution that had put a stop to the practice of dumping criminals in the American colonies to work as indentured servants so the first Bush Rangers were convict. Boulter who were transported felons who escaped prison or the settlements and turn to crime turned turned Bush ranger and and and like. I said that's the group that we're going to mostly talk about today. Guests at but then fast forward to eighteen fifty three when British parliament passes the Penal Penal Servitude Act and this ends almost all transportation sentences and that really changes things. Many Bush Rangers after that are native born or at least free settlers settlers who had broken the law so very distinct difference in these Bush Rangers. That we're GONNA be talking about today. Consequently two distinct podcasts. Yes which are. I'm very excited about because we love this topic. We really hope that you guys do too. Because we're talking about her couple of judging by the volume of emails and pretty sure most most of these folks like Bush Rangers Australian history so fingers crossed hope. y'All like this. Yeah I mean if you like Kelly story then you should like something about these two because because it wasn't just about net at started way before him and the man who's actually believed to be Australia's first Bush ranger was one of those transported convicts that Sarah are just talked about. His name. Was John Caesar but he was better known as Black Caesar and he was of African descent and was probably born in either. The West indies or in Madagascar. It's kind of if uncertain. Yeah we're going to pick up with him about seventeen eighty six when he was living as a servant in England and in March of that year he was charged with stealing twelve twelve pounds from a dwelling house and was sentenced to transportation for seven years so he arrived in Australia in January of seventeen eighty eight and and he said about working as a laborer in the colony. Because it wasn't just like you were transported to Australia. And then you could remake your life. It was hard work eric waiting on the other side exactly in from what we know of Black Caesar. He was no criminal mastermind. He was actually thought of I. Think is kind of a hard worker but he was definitely someone that you wouldn't want to mess with. He was very tall. Some sources say maybe as much as seven feet were although that may be an exaggeration. We're not sure but he was very muscular and he was known to be a fierce fierce fighter. He was also known this interesting for his big appetite. All sources seem to mention that. What gets them in trouble here? Because in the colony there was often a shortage orange food. And all of the convicts were on really strict rations and it was said that Caesar could often Polish off two days worth of rations in one Sunday. And Yeah like I said this gets him into trouble eventually. Yeah I mean it could be part of the reason that led him into what comes later. Some sources suggest I thought at least because I mean we joke about a little bit. It's a funny thing to bring up about somebody. In Hungary were historical sources. Yeah that he was hungry guy but with as we said the shortage of food food it could have been a serious situation. Actually there's another later. Bush ranger called Matt Gambit. He came round in around eighteen. Twenty two and we're not gonNA talk about him in depth but he was is known as the Cannibal Bush ranger because when he went off with his gang and there weren't enough settlers to steal from and they ran out of food he would actually not his gang members know Gosh and yet he continued to build recruit them. No I don't think was I think he kind of ate up his entire gang. Hang put an end to his Bush. 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Fifty percent off your first three months of Smithsonian Channel Plus that's get SC plus dot com slash history class to get fifty percent off your first three months so checkout Smithsonian Channel Plus today getting back Black Caesar that was just sort of an aside but he got caught stealing again in seventeen eighty nine which earned him a life sentence this time of transportation but of course he didn't just sit around and accept that fate in seventeen ninety. He escaped to the countryside outside of Sydney with a stolen musket. And this was just the first in a series of escapes that Caesar would pull off over the next few years from about seventeen ninety to seventeen ninety six. While he was on the Lam he would survive by stealing from the settlement and from government garden instill had food on his mind definitely but it was after his final escape. In seventeen ninety five that has Bush ranging activities really commenced at that point. He led a gang of absconders hers and vagabonds in the Port Jackson area and they'd raid settlers and Rob Lone travellers. Yeah and it's funny. We've talked about criminals like this before who everything seems to be blamed on. But it was stunned that Caesar was blamed for pretty much. Every crime that was committed around that time the seven foot tall potentially striking man just seemed to be a a person who captured the public's imagination even then. Yeah so as you unimagined. The governor wanted him caught and so he offered five gallons of rum for his his capture. And Caesar was shot dead. Consequently by a man named John Wimborne at Liberty Plains in seventeen ninety six just a little side note on Rom to. It must've been a pretty big motivator at the time for much legs who'd these criminals twenty gallons of rum was offered as a reward for the capture of another Bush stranger named Mathew Brady in the eighteen ten. So yeah we're GonNa talk maybe in the next episode about the legal options of capturing hiring these Bush rangers but I like that rum was was a prime motivator in the early years at least so our next Bush ranger pushes us into into the nineteenth century. His name is bold Jack Donahue and sometimes he's known as the wild colonial boy more on that later but he was born born in Dublin John Donahue probably around eighteen o six but by April eighteen. Twenty three he had already run afoul of the law in his home in country for something described as intent to commit a felony and for that he was sentenced to transportation for life Which of course meant going into Australia? And as we mentioned in Black Caesar's section there it didn't mean just a free ticket to Australia meant a lot of hard work and donahue was first assigned to work for a man named John Pagan and then work on a road gang and then finally for a guy major west who was a surgeon consequently silently he started running into some fellow convicts yes so they started hanging out together and they began robbing wagons traveling west of Sydney and and when he and two of his buddies men named Smith and Kilroy or maybe Gilroy got caught finally in eighteen twenty eight they were found guilty of two counts of robbery each and sentenced to die two times each to death sentences. Let's be sure so. Kilroy and Smith met their ends at the news but donahue somehow escaped between the courthouse and the jail. And he didn't sulk off into hiding after that though he rounded up a gang of English and Irish convicts and just expanded his range so he kind of doubled his efforts for its. They're constantly countryside so donahue is a real ballad type of guy robinhood tight Bush ranger. Who People like to Romanticize later he he would distribute stolen items to the poor he would let some people go and took go along with this? He had an appropriately. Robin Hood like Rakish style. Dial which also made him sort of popular made settlers like him. He'd wear a black hat. He'd wear this fine blue coat lined in silk and lace up boots so so he really must have cut quite a figure out among all of these rough and tumble looking. Men Yeah I don't know though. He sounds more button cute than rakish to be posters stirs announcing the twenty pound reward on his head described him as twenty two years old five foot four with freckles. flaxen hair blue eyes is an scar under the left nostril. He sounds like you might mistake him for a teenager. But will you know. He's coming at a disadvantage advantage. Right after black. Caesar probably that's true and he does have this mar which is kind of scary. Does have the scar. Finally though on September first eighteen thirty a group of soldiers soldiers and police found the gang hiding in scrub near Campbeltown and donahue is said to have urged them on with them real fighting words but he was soon struck down by a guy named trooper. Muggle Ston out. We'll just let that let that name slide He lived on though L.. Even even after death quite obviously yes oh I unlike many of our later Bush rangers whose surviving images are usually heavily. Bearded Post Mortem. MM photographs donahue had a rather elegant death drying done by Sir Thomas Mitchell who added some Byron lines at the end to complete the effect they were no matter. I have buried my brow fair and deaths face before and now he also has something maybe a little more appropriate than romantic poetry. Oh a tree though. He was likely the inspiration for a very famous outlaw amp the wild colonial boy which was popular in Australia until it was banned finally is being seditious and it stayed popular after that really helped its reputation. The song is about a fictitious Bush ranger who goes by different names in different versions of the song is after all a ballot. Sometimes it's Jim Doolan. Sometimes Jack Dobbins Times John Dowling but it always sticks to those jd initials just like Jack Donahue so the next Bush ranger on our list wasn't a convict but he was born abroad and Scotland. His his name was originally Francis or Frank Christie and he moved to Sydney with his parents in eighteen thirty four when he was about four years old he started his life of crime fairly young young and got caught stealing horses in eighteen fifty. When he was around twenty years old he was sentenced to five years of hard labor for this but he escaped to New South Wales after only serving irving about six months and he went right back to stealing horses so in eighteen fifty four he was caught again and convicted? Again under the name Francis Clark this time and this time. He was sentenced to seven years but he was given a ticket of leave so basically released in eighteen fifty nine. He didn't play by the rules after that though he broke parole well and went south where he opened. Boutrous Frank Gardner which is how most people know him today and lambing flat and he was probably trading in stolen. Meet there so not even that was on the up and up found so gross to me. I'm sure is like legitimate but don't win meat for sale by here at my store. I don't know anyway. A warrant was issued for gardeners arrest and rather than face get another trial and possibly more jail time. Frank took to the Bush and there. He teamed up with a couple other outlaws. When I'm Ben Hall we're GonNa talk about him in the next episode and another guy named John Gilbert and he became known and and feared for his highway robberies in particular along the trade routes of New South Wales and the police couldn't catch his gang because they just moved so quickly and they used it kind of Bush telegraph system to help them? Get along this episode of stuff. You missed in history classes brought to you by crate and barrel. Have you ever had that moment where you open a gift and you are completely stunned. How perfectly the person who gave it to you has sought your inner thoughts and found? Exactly what will make you smile improve your life crate and barrel wants that to happen. All the time with everyone who receives a gift from you. They want you to play matchmaker with your gifts. You you can find that perfect design that becomes absolutely great when you give it to the right person. 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The Frank was actually called King of the road around this time for his highway robber reputation but on June fifteenth eighteen sixty two francs gang pulled off their biggest robbery Yet and it's actually what said to be the biggest Bush ranger robbery ever and the crime was when they bailed up or held up. That's what that's what build up means. They held up the Lachlan gold escort and made off with fourteen thousand pounds worth of gold and cash which is worth about one and a quarter million. US dollars today. An after this frank took off with his mistress kate and they opened the little store and Shanti in Queensland as Mr and Mrs Christie so he had kind of a business streak to him yeah and they lived there until the New South Wales police finally tracked him down in February. Eighteen sixty four so frank was sentenced to thirty two years hard labour which was considered a pretty harsh sentence at this time fortunately though he had a good attorney William Daley who petitioned the governor to use his prerogatives of Murphy and the governor really did release frank in eighteen seventy four under the condition that he leave the country. There was some controversy over this decision but ultimately ultimately Frank Gardner left Australia in July eighteen seventy four and by the beginning of eighteen seventy five. He was in San Francisco. I mean just the perfect place for for the sky. He opened a saloon there. It was called the twilight saloon on the waterfront and by all accounts he avoided trouble for the rest of his life. You really did have a business streak. Just like you mentioned. Even though he was pretty open about his past he'd liked to tell tales about his time as an outlaw. Which I would imagine that would make you a successful saloon owner? People loved her story. Oh Yeah I feel like. It's almost a requirement to have a good storytelling streak. If not at least good stories to tell but frank was also just a really rare case among Bush rangers and that he lived to a ripe old age and he since been called the father of Bush ranging so frank seems like the perfect guide. Leave off off on at least for the first part of our Bush Rangers series. Yeah I feel like. He's kind of a good transition between those convict vultures talked about and then the later Bush Rangers's there's generation second generation. Yes so while. We're going to leave that generation behind. We do have one more piece of information about that mystery. Ned Kelly we had and this came out and just the other day September seventh and again. It's from the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine so well they did identify the body Audie. They also recently said that that mystery head might be that of a notorious serial killer named Frederick deeming deeming was born in England he was a fief a serial bigamist and he set out on this wandering sort of life and he was also a murderer he was. It's supposed to have buried his first wife and four children beneath the floor of their rented home and then murdered a second wife in Melbourne. So what what a weird connection here very strange twist to the story and I think it's interesting that it's the head of another criminal but someone who has just a very different connotation tation to them than Ned. Kelly you say Ned Kelly and he's kind of a folk hero and this guy was definitely the opposite and I encourage you guys to look up the story and read a little little bit more about Frederick deeming because he had a very controversial trial in and like you mentioned it was partly because there was nothing redeeming about him. He was not a folk folk hero. He was a serial killer the public did not like him. And I think it's an interesting story for people outside of Australia too. Because he was kind of all over the place he lived in England before and I think that's where he murdered his original family. Yeah has captured America all kinds of places But I mean of all of all the peoples heads it could be a a random serial killer go figure. Thank you so much for joining us today. For for this Saturday classic if you have heard any kind of email address or maybe a facebook url during the course of the episode that might be obsolete it might be doubly obsolete because we have changed our email address again you can now reach us at history. PODCAST IHEARTRADIO DOT COM and we're all over social media at missed in history and you can subscribe type two our show on apple podcast. Google podcasts the iheartradio APP and wherever else to listen to podcasts. Abyss that history classes a production radio. How stuff works for more podcasts? 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Baking Icelandic Lava Bread; A Jolly Good Year For Christmas Tree Farmers

"From NPR and WBZ. You are I'm Tanya Moseley. I'm Robin Young. It's here now. There's news on impeachment out of Washington even though lawmakers have left for the holidays late last night. Eight an illegal. Filing the Department of Justice argued that a federal appeals court should stay out of legal battle between the White House and Democrats over whether former White House counsel Don. Tom Again should testify in the impeachment process about obstruction of justice because there is an impeachment process going on but Democrats are renewing their calls for witnesses and a Senate impeachment trial after emails from White House. Budget official revealed over the weekend that he asked for a hold on. US military aid to Ukraine about ninety minutes after president. Trump's July twenty fifth phone call pressuring the Ukrainian President to investigate Joe Biden and the official said in an e mail. Keep this is closely held. Timor Keith is. NPR White House correspondent. I town hey has gone. Well you tell us because let's start with the Justice Department legal filing link from Attorney General William Bar who's been very supportive of president trump. Put aside the legal questions here. What are the political ramifications for weeks? Republicans have complained. That impeachment should not move forward because Democrats should wait for the courts now. We have this legal filing arguing that the courts can't get involved it seems teams as if it's setting up a situation where there would be no impeachment. The the Justice Department. What they want is for are for mcgann's testimony not to be compelled? You know what this comes down to is a fight between the White House and the Justice Department citing with the White House and and the Congressional branch of Government is sort of an article one article to battle about whether a top White House. Aides should be compelled to testify in in In Congressional oversight now the mcgann case is not related to the impeachment. It's actually related to the molar report and their investigation into that But it's close enough. And what the Justice Department is trying to say is well. Gosh if you wait in on that it might affect the impeachment proceedings This case is set to be heard by an appeals court on January third Assuming that they don't agree with the Justice Department on this yeah. It's just kind of such circular reasoning. You know on the one hand reasoning around here a demand. You know that you go to the courts and then the Justice Department saying you can't go to the courts on on this. What about these emails about Ukraine aid? They came out late Friday because of a freedom of Information Act request. They show that Michael Duffy. A political appointee point in the budget office wrote to a Pentagon official within hours. I think ninety minutes after President Trump's July twenty fifth phone call saying keep a close but aid to crane is being held up quote given the sensitive nature of the request Then weeks later Duffy sent an email saying oop the age is being resumed and when the recipient into the email asks. Oh what happened his responses redacted on your thoughts on this so the White House argues that this email was just a coincidence that it was sent right after the president's phone call in reality what these emails that have been released indicate it they just sort. Oh to fill in the timeline. We know that funding was put on hold some type based on public publicly on public testimony. We know that aid was put on hold sometime in early July that it was widely known that it was held by July eighteenth. Then the phone call happens on July twenty fifth and these emails are interspersed with that timeline and do by all means give a sense that people in the office of Management and budget though the White House budget office and also in the Pentagon and State Department. We're concerned about the legality of holding. These congressionally appropriated funds. Where are we in the standoff over the trial the impeachment trial in the Senate the House again voting to impeach or charge charge president trump They haven't sent the charges to the Senate Senate leader the Republican Mitch. McConnell was pretty clear he wants only one outcome of this trial and not guilty for president trump on Fox News on Sunday host. Chris Wallace pressed Mark Short Vice President Pence of staff for response to Pelosi strategy of not sending these charges over. I'm quite confident that This position untenable. And she's going to move it along and that Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell reach a deal and how it's going to proceed in the Senate so you think that Jill eventually eventually Shiva Shiva will healed. There's no way she can hold this position. What do you think happens here Tim? I I think that Mark Short's analysis is probably right You know it's a holiday. They break so. There's not a huge amount of urgency. The Senate is not in session anyway. There's a couple of weeks here for Mitch mcco for Mitch. McConnell the Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer Schumer the minority leader to Hash. This out to come up with some kind of an agreement about the path forward and then presumably Pelosi will send Send things over. It's just that these negotiations are an impasse right now and there's been sort of an exchange of interviews in tweets and letters and other things to sort of keep this in the news while there isn't a lot of other news going on and we remember in past impeachments in modern history. You know the trial the the person on defense cooperate in the trial. So this is different temer Keith. NPR White House correspondent. Thank you as always. You're welcome the murder of journalist. Jamal Kashogi sparked international outrage rage when he was killed in two thousand eighteen at the Saudi consulate in Turkey. Today a criminal court has sentenced five people to death in connection with the murder coachee which lived in Virginia was a prominent critic of the Saudi regime. He had gone to the consulate to pick up documents related to his upcoming marriage. Frank Gardner is a BBC. Security correspondent and joins joins us from London. And Frank. What do we know about the people who were sentenced to death? Well they haven't given up the names at least not initially but they were named by and yes Calamar. Who's the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial killings? That mean anything to most of us but the walls one name definitely that jumps out it. And that's a medical Mahama flip the Caliph security overseer almost like a bodyguard who was often seen with the crown prince and that has been enough to link the Crown Prince. Yes in some people's minds to this grisly killing. The verdict has already been condemned by quite a lot of people particularly by the UN special reporter. WHO's called it? A mockery of justice really a false trial because the masterminds as she puts it of this killing have walked free three the Hitman had been convicted the masterminds watered it in her view and those masterminds meaning Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman. Possibly some would say that there suspicion certainly Western intelligence agencies that he at the very least knew about this operation to silence. Jamal Khashoggi if not actually ordered but specifically the road to people the summit Otani who is his media adviser but that titled Doesn't do Justice to the fact that he organized vaas trawling operation to intimidate any critic of the Crown Prince and he was known to be in compensation with the hit team that went out just before the killing the other. Is Somebody medical doctor La City who is the deputy head of Saudi intelligence. He went on trial but has been acquitted and he was alleged to have orchestrated the whole operation. So let's be clear on something here Tony. I lived in the Gulf for many years. I've worked in the Gulf in Dubai and Bahrain. I spend a Lotta time inside Arabia. There is no such thing as a rogue Google operation in that part of the world. Nobody does anything without permission from above. And I think that's why Agnes Kenema the. UN reporter is so upset about this because she thinks that whoever ordered this walked free so essentially I mean. Is there any way to really know if this is even a legitimate trial. As you mentioned gend a lot of folks have been talking about the fairness and transparency of it. All well human rights watchable really say that it's modified trial that it lacks transparency as do practically All trials in Saudi Arabia. They're always shrouded in secrecy. And of course that begs the question do the authorities have something to hide. Is this a case of of just simply doing doing away with some rather dirty dirty business here. The fact is that Saudi Arabia is a huge rich and important country. And it's got a very important ally in the White House House. There's no doubt in my mind that when this took place the Saudi leadership particularly what's called the the minority on the court the Crown Prince. They said don't worry we we've got this we've got cover in the form of Donald Trump. He's our ally were fine You know say what this will blow over and to some extent indeed has blown over. And that's the really galling thing about this is that it's business as usual for a lot of people with Saudi Arabia because it is such an important Gordon country. It's also an ally of the West against Iran's encroaching influence all across the Middle East so there is a sense in western capitals that look some thirty businesses businesses. Gone on here. It's pretty murky. But we're going to actually hold back a lot of criticism because we need Saudi Arabia. Not just by our guns are weapons but also also as a force for stability in the oil market and as a bulwark against Iranian advancement. You've mentioned that this has been blown over but what is next. Do you think we'll see an investigation of the crown. Prince the have already been caused by the UN special reporter Onions Calamar to investigate the crime on prints. That's gone nowhere. And I think there is a sort of judgment of reality politique of realism in Western governments particularly Western intelligence agencies. Is that while they strongly suspect. The was the hand of Saudi government as I possibly the crown prince himself in all of this. They're not oh came to publicly. Come out and say anything because they need Saudi Arabia as an ally so they just are hoping that this is the last of it and nothing like this ever happens happens again so if you look at the the the message the the communicate that went A few hours after the verdict by Britain's Foreign Office it was pretty mealy mouthed it called upon Saudi Arabia to hold to account. All of those responsible doesn't name them. It doesn't say this trial is insufficient. The the inference. There is obvious that they don't think this is a full account. That's the BBC security correspondent. Frank Gardner in London Frank. Thanks as always ace. Thank you burn me. And the ocean my ancestors that jumped from ships because they death is is but that was the scene from Black Panther one of the highest grossing Superhero Movies of all time. The success of Black Panther was kind of I told. Hold you so because it was just one step forward. In efforts to diversify Hollywood this decade we also saw Oscar so white the metoo movement and a public call for gender gender parity and more leadership roles for women to help us look at the significance of this past decade in Hollywood were joined by. PS Roy senior film editor for the Hollywood reporter. Welcome Hi thank you so much for having me and you actually started covering Hollywood films in two thousand eleven. So you've essentially covered Hubbert this entire decade When did this conversation about diversity and inclusion? Really start to take off in this decade. I think yes. It's been funny touch me. Look back now at the beginning of the decade And at the beginning of my career and realize that you know conversations around race we're not really being had the very few times I even bought them bought out would be fulfillment that particularly dealt with the topic but even outside of that. These is conversations when being had tool and and it was almost taboo to bring it up but I think when twelve years A slave came around and it brought a spotlight into some Groundbreaking wins at the Oscars. And then right after that we had two consecutive years as of Twenty all white acting nominees at the Oscars or that resulted in Oscar. So I actually I. Yeah that was very very powerful Because it started to shift the focus of the conversation you know when when Hashtag cold for the boycott of the Oscars that's A. That's a big move. That's big coal and It forces the industry to sit up for a moment and take notice of of the issue. You are we seeing an outcome from the Oscar so white and some of those other pushes I think we are which is a good sign? What happened was the Oscarssowhite led the academy to come out with their own initiative to try and double their membership of minority members and women women by twenty twenty so they are definitely looking to do that? And I think that was an important step. If only because it's had a knock-on effect across cross major studios major networks agencies everyone's taking a look internally to see how inclusive they really are amongst amongst their ranks the only way we're going to achieve Any kind of power not For Gender and race on an all other areas of underrepresented represented communities is to have those members of those communities in key positions that are decision making positions in this town change. I think has been coming. And it's been good to see that that coal to action in twenty sixteen kind of actually set a emotion Going and yet as the award season is just getting started. There's already been some critiques over. The way films like the farewell which is more than eighty percent and Mandarin doesn't doesn't qualify for best film in the Golden Globes What do we make of this? I find the discussion around language in and how it plays into. What is A foreign language film. What is an American film really fascinating? I think the foul Director Lulu Wong has been very clear that her story is an American story. it's just that America isn't all white and all English speaking and I think the film shows that it shows a woman Who is America at chinese-american woman? Who goes back to China to be with her ailing grandmother And obviously when she's with her family she speaking Mandarin and when she's you know outside of that she speaking English just like a lot of us. The people who are straddling two cultures do. Are there rules around this. Also there are rules around this For the Golden Globes best drama and the best musical comedy categories which is kind of their best picture prize but divided into those two genres. They don't permit any films with a More than fifty percent of the dialogue in non English language those films automatically go into the foreign language raise so the farewell is in the Golden Globes lobes foreign language race as Bong Jun Ho's parasite which is fully in Korean And this happened as well last. Share with Roy Moore. So we've had this discussion Increase I think. This year with The Oscars disqualifying Nigeria's official show entry. a movie called Lionheart which is in the English language? Because Nigeria's official language is English and so it really start to conversation around. Was that fair. This movie made by Nigerian filmmakers in Nigeria So why could it not qualify in the international feature film category which is now the new name for the academy's Foreign Language category. Has there been any answers for that. Hasn't yet ah the academy is sticking to its rules that any any film with I believe like the majority dialogue in a non English English. Language is foreign language And so that that does apply For many films but then in the case of Lyon Haw. Aw that's definitely created problems because I believe I ne- about eleven minutes of that film is in the Non english-language therefore it didn't qualify. Wow I'm learning a a lot on that. Yes that is really. It's really interesting and it sounds at these films are really going to push that That rule in that guideline because people are upset over it. Let's talk about something else. That was really big this decade and it really A tipping point came just last year the year before last the METOO movement meant What has happened since the metoo movement and Harvey Weinstein in the case around the cases around Harvey Weinstein Now that that his bubbled up to the surface and the public really understands what's happening a heather. Many changes in Hollywood it the result of the metoo movement in Hollywood was then the time's up campaign which About three hundred prominent women and industry figures in Hollywood came together on in January twenty eighteen at the Golden Globes to announced bounced. Time's up campaign. And that they really it was. It was a fight towards GENDER-POWER T- racial parity Power T for any underrepresented wanted minority in Hollywood for them to finally be acknowledged be represented and to to start getting up into the areas of decision and making in this town. Yeah and when it comes to leadership roles in Hollywood we have been seeing over the last few years Some great projects that have come from women directors ars and women producers. Is it just perception or reality. A really seeing more women in leadership roles in Hollywood. I think we are starting to see a significant ensure we have more women in The top positions at studios in networks. Who are getting to green light projects? Finally which is so important I think we're seeing more people of color rising to the top as well It's not enough. I will say that. But there's been some initiatives that have been put in place with alongside time's up so there was a four percent challenge. launched at Sundance in January. Where Tessa Thompson challenged everyone to work with full? Percents percents Women in in that in the works doing Have to say though at the same time. It's it's a wonderful start but I think for someone one who's not in Hollywood to hear four percent challenge. That means that it was less than four percent so basically the full percent number came from the fact that that women had helmed just about four percent of the top films between two thousand and seven and two thousand eighteen so that four percent number became a call to action on. It became a challenge to off people. Can you make a difference and if each of you work with four percent and women in your particular projects. How can that then affect to a larger change? So you know. Universal pictures signed on to take this challenge MGM Voice Support so there was support for this and given that this just happened You know I think we are seeing. I believe this year a universal which encompassed focus features and remarks while has released seven and announced seventeen more female driven projects female mel directed projects which is up from four in two thousand eighteen so the change is happening? What do you expect We'll we'll see as we move into the next decade into twenty twenty. It really seems like this. Conversation around diversity inclusion is just getting started I think so. Oh I think this is just the very beginning of something shifting. You know we still have in an overwhelmingly male dominated industry and it's a white male dominated cominated industry and I should go further and say it's a white straight male dominated industry. So when you're looking at that you realize that the content here is not necessarily reflecting acting the fabric of America today and I think that's very important because People WanNA see themselves. They Wanna see their stories reflected. I still still say to this day. I don't think I've seen my own story really reflected accurately The audience is out there. You know and I think one thing that's been really key in the last couple of years with as you mentioned Black Panther Get out crazy. Rich Asians. These movies have shown studios and the people in charge that they make money and at the end of the day if something makes money Yukon ignore it. That's PS in Roy senior film editor for the Hollywood reporter order. Thank you so much for taking the time and happy New Year. Thank you for having me and happy. Eighties is Robin Young thanking you you for listening to the here and now podcast and inviting you to contribute to support it at donate type. NPR DOT org slash. Now for all the reasons that you listen in here now helps you make sense of the world and when you donate to your NPR station your supporting the journalism that brings context and perspective to the news and conversations conversations with people making a difference in the arts music and culture. So please make a donation to your. NPR Station today and that investment will come right back to ears just go to donate that. MPR DOT ORG slash now we're building NPR. And its member stations. Thanks to you now. Let's get back to the news. He's Dennis Muilenburg. The once. Beloved CEO of Boeing is stepping down today under pressure from the board replaced by Chairman. David Calhoun after several weeks of intense criticism from regulators was over Boeing's response to two fatal crashes of the seven thirty seven Max that killed three hundred forty six passengers in March of two thousand nineteen before that October. Twenty the eighteen. Seth Kaplan here. Now's transportation. Analyst has been taking this. In and Seth Muhlenberg has been under scrutiny for his role in the seven thirty seven Max crashes ever since the first one went down over the Java Sea last year recently. That pressure seemed to ratchet up. So what's your reaction to the news today. Well the news today was unsurprising. There was sort of this point recently. Where if you had to bet you'd bet that it was more likely that the outcome would be like this? Then that he he would stay for the long term as recently though Robin is maybe a couple of weeks ago. I don't know that that any of us thought that it would happen this quickly. And then there was another another series of events that that just seemed to speed up the pace well. We spoke to parents of victims. who were furious? About the push from Boeing to get the plane back in the air last week the head of the Federal Aviation Administration. Stephen Dixon reportedly rebuked Muhlenberg and a private meeting for trying to rush the FAA to put the seven thirty seven. Max Back in the air it was it. was that his undoing. That was a big part of it. Along with the suspension of production of the seven. Thirty seven Max is. I think there was probably the idea that he wasn't going to be there forever. But that if the plane were to be able to be recertified and get back in the air quickly that would be the moment we say. Okay my job here is done and pass the torch to somebody else but with that no longer imminent and with all these questions like the ones you you met and finally a couple of really critical articles in the national press over the weekend the Wall Street Journal and and the New York Times Sort of confirming wing a lot of what. It looked to be wrong along the way all of that together. ended up in in this news today. which by time it happened not surprising? Muhlenberg Rollenberg started as an intern at Boeing. In nineteen eighty-five became CEO. In two thousand fifteen in four years tripled Boeing's share price when he when we said beloved certainly by You know stockholders. He was a golden boy. But when you look at this chapter when people look back some of this is so disturbing pilots weren't able to override a system him that pointed the nose down. They weren't told how to do that when the company figured out what the problem was I mean how will Mullen Berg be viewed. Yeah you're right You came up as an engineer. He was not a finance guy I he was an engineer. I ended up leading the space and defence side. Don't forget Boeing Commercial. Aircraft are only half of what it does and A. and then finally the whole company so you had those missteps that you mentioned in terms of the design of the plane perhaps the communication clearly to some degree the communication about what the plane could do but then I think really. His undoing was how they reacted after the first. And certainly after the second crash Boeing never seemed to get out in front of things when that second crash happened on a Sunday grounding finally happened in the. US on Wednesday with Boeing. Going along but by Monday it was clear. Where do I think most of us that that's how it was going to end? So but Boeing didn't get out there and say you know what let's take this step and they never seem to. They always seem to kind of belatedly. Sadly come along kind of be listening more to the lawyers than navy people with with other sense of where the world was going and get out in front of the news. Seth South Kaplan here in house transportation analyst. Thanks as always thanks Robin. We've just arrived in Iceland. There's a storm orm. It's freezing. The rain is pelting down the wind howling but like thousands of tourists every year. We are waiting into Iceland's iconic blue lagoon baths manmade pulls fed from the runoff water from the nearby geothermal plant a tourist staple in Iceland while the water is hot. The air is frigid. And then we go outside half naked and the fog and wind with complete strangers it became to Iceland to report on climate. Change will have all our stories at here now dot org work but what follows is a postcard from some of the people. We just wanted you to meet about ninety minutes north east of the Blue Lagoon where standing by quiet wading pool next to pretty eighty wooden outdoor saunas and steam bats strategically placed over natural springs. That is no plumbing. No switch on or off forever. It's it's just a hot spring. That Sigi Hill Morrison managing director at lawyer Fontana on Pristine Lake Layer hotton. His bakery dwarfed by encircling range of mountains and volcanoes on the country's fame ring of fire of volcanic hotbed which rises in places through tectonic cracks. US You're going in hit for steam path. You're just getting the energy directly from underneath. Power of the of the spring is often you know splashing ship ships. You're getting the steam heat and everything and the only way to control the temperature in these rooms is by opening up the doors and the release the pressure inside and nearby another volcanic tradition lava bread to bake it. We head to the Gorgeous Lake. We'll have pictures and videos at here now dot org. Oh my gosh okay. So now. We're down at the banks of the lake. Is this volcanic sand or it's it is and There cracks in Roch bringing up boiling water as you can see here and this steam rising off of it so segey shovel hits a potty buried in the black sand cover number by boiling water and did you put this in twenty four hours ago. How hot is this water that? We're looking at boiling temperature. It's about hundred degrees to twenty Fahrenheit puts the spot with the bread and this boiling water under this Volcanic sand back with people like your grandmother like you know no in the mornings. They're going off to work on the farms or would they just put the bread in and then when they come home I i. I'm hearing people still do that absolutely. Yeah yeah when the fat like having a good bread that this grandma would put down bread here very often when they were expecting guests from Reykjavik Geico that they put down so when they had you know coffee. Or whatever with these guests would pop off Nice it's warm. Breitbart from the hospital looks perfect. Celo for bread in the pot. Yeah smell the right. Yeah yeah we leave a couple eggs to boil in the water and head back into the lodge where sixty prepares the bread under the watchful eye of his elderly mother. We could be doing all of this. Put a shovel has just been brought in with egg even if the collectively went down perfect. Perfect Yoke Yoke and egg on top of child and and bred by the way the other half of the lake is cold enough for those trout. The first piece of bread goes to seek his mom. Did you make bread like this. Yes from the back L.. Absolutely enjoy sweet. Almost like Y gingerbread Sigi says it's an important reminder of the past at a time when so much in the region is changing. Well we we have less less snow now than we used to have what we also see today that we didn't see before the growing of the trees I mean they are growing doing much faster than it used to and we are getting new types and climate change is ah obviously affecting the whole world. And they're estimating that in two hundred years all the lasers are gone in this country if the Thicke Lamberton keeps on developing this today. And just you know we're eating the Ri- here in the The other elements in this. We're hearing that farmers especially farmers you say who might be right at the base of a volcano and they're getting the ash reading about some of them who are changing from. Let's say cows and dairy to things like barley or veins that canoe. Yeah there are farmers that have changed from the original. Farming climates can't definitely changed farming in this country just down the road from Lourdes. Rotten Fontana some hungry cows at the Epstein dollar farm where we how rose Arnez daughter. She runs the property with a siblings has been in the same family. Since seventeen hundred something and now we are the fifth or sixth generation and the first to confront the modern era scrambling to take advantage of the new tourist boom with a small hotel in a beautiful farm to Table Restaurant Right in a barn and a concerned about climate change. I think about it every day and we try all all our best we can do about it and there there are things we do for an example. We recycle everything on the farm. No matter what it is. We do composed first plastic paper. The general waste is almost nothing. It's harder to address the erotic weather for instance to make enough hay last year to feed the cows. We had almost no sunshine the whole summer. It's hard to believe there was only one little little gap which would could possibly the high and dry it and we were really concerned if we would have enough. Hey for all all of our animals and then last year it was totally opposite. We had sunshine every day and we were praying for rain so we are talking. Talking up about two crazy years and no one remembers slows down Reykjavik just to have its highest temperature on record. Not every reformer has been able to adapt the way Hala and her siblings have sadly giving oft- like this has been year after year after year and being for example a cow farmer because the hey is so important and when you are there and you're always just about surviving the winter. Sure it's just too hard. That's what I hear back down the road at lawyer button. Fontana segey reflects on the changes in his island country. He appreciates the tourists have given bakery a new life but he's also proud to share with them his family's law bread. So how long has your family been here since forever physically Viking. This is why thinks my grandma used to do this. And and my mother and the level of local people people do it. Of course you know like anywhere else in the world in our life changes and Things changed but the this has always been the same and so it brings up warm memories. I mean yeah definitely the Christmas tree growers are reporting that Twenty nineteen has been the best. Here they've had in decades part of that is tight supply but it also happens that millennials who account for a quarter of the population here in the US really into Christmas trees for more on that we have with us. Child Land Grin a Christmas tree specialist at Oregon State University Chow also grows Christmas trees on a five Acre farm. Welcome to hear now. Happy to be here thank you. Why has this year been such a good year for Christmas tree growers? Well well. It's been a good year partly because we've had a number of very bad years so to give you an example in Oregon at least is down to about three hundred and mm sixty six licensed Christmas growers in two thousand and six. We had almost eight hundred growers producing almost seven million trees days. And my guess this year is we're down to producing about four and a half million trees with a lot fewer grover so those. It's been a hard time I'm for the growers. Were forced out of the business because of oversupply but now that we're in a position of of tighter supply. Prices are up and growers are very very pleased with the way this year hasn't been working out. You mentioned that year two thousand six something. I learned a few years ago when visiting getting some Christmas tree farms in Oregon is that it can take as many as ten years for a Christmas tree to grow so many of those trees were seeing. Today were first planet Ten years ago right after the great recession does that really factor into the supply. We're seeing this year. Yeah certainly does you know that kind of depression era. Even though a lot of people still bought Christmas trees is one that happened to coincide with overproduction years. Like a lot of products folks. Christmas trees are cyclical. And they're on the seven to nine year cycle and supply right now is is low but prices are up and growers. The ones that are still growing trees out here are pleased. What about climate change? We know an Oregon where you are. The last few summers have been really hot and dry on the other hand there Christmas tree farmers in Missouri. Who got their entire crop wiped out this year by floods? Good question you know. And in Oregon Oregon we two thousand and nineteen was a good year to grow trees. And we're talking about seedlings now that were planted in two thousand was a nineteen. We had a good survival but two thousand fifteen seventeen eighteen. We had incredibly dry hot summers and growers particularly particularly again. We're planning a noble for lost. You know some of them lost their entire crop in those years and it was hard to get seedlings because people people were trying to back up two or three years worth of seedling loss. So we're GONNA see I think another another dip in production here in in about six years because of those that loss of noble for planning I'm thinking about those who also work on those farms. I I hear that you hire high school kids to work on your farm on our form which is just a tiny little blip in in in the industry. We hired high school kids during during Thanksgiving break but for most of the bigger farms and most of the farms throughout the US using largely migrant Hispanic Labor. And it's always been a problem to get labor but that's getting tighter and tighter You know a lot of us are more conscious about where it's come from? Is there anything consumers can do to make sure they're getting tree from a responsible farm. I would just how the consumers look at what the farm looks like the the less you have to drive to a farm. The less you're going to have visit in terms of a carbon footprint to get your tree so it's just an individual looking at where they're going if they're going to you cut him anyway. Yeah you know I know you. You have a personal bias on this but when it comes to being better for the environment we often talk about real versus artificial trees. What's better for the environment? I mentioned we have a fake when our real one well I am biased so I would say the the real trees going to be the one for the environment. I mean the artificial tree industry. St Did a study where they looked at a narrow set of variables from their study kept artificial tree for something like five to eight years yes. There's less carbon with the artificial tree. But the the real trees totally recyclable. It also is a babble non-irrigated crop that sustains rural economies in areas where there's not a lot of economic activity so my bias is towards towards the realtor. Thank you so much for taking the time with us. That's Shaolin Grin. He is a Christmas tree specialist at Oregon State University and a tree farmer farmer himself. Thank you and happy holidays. Indeed all right Robyn. Are you a real person or a fake tree person. Well I'm a real person I know right. You're right when it comes to trees. I agree because I live in a town that recycles them see. Put them out and they chipped them into mulch. Jerry can use and you know here warm East Coast. You're on the West West Coast. This does this as well. They can be used for soil erosion barriers. 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"This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Carol off and I'm Lucy Velden Barnevelde. This is as it happens the podcast edition and tonight. He was just going in home to change his shoes but on his way seventeen year old Jonathan Davis was hit by a bullet the latest victim of gun violence in the Toronto area yeah an accident waiting to happen to eighteen year. Old University of Victoria students are dead after a bus crashes in DC and a local first nations leader says he's been calling for upgrades to that road for years. Fail safes failed now to Saudi. Oil facilities are badly damaged boothia rebels in Yemen have claimed responsibility and there are big questions about how low tech drones could penetrate such high security saying the hard stuff about out avoiding the hard stuff. Sean mccan knows his music has inspired a lot of drunken nights but the former member of great big sea tells us he's had a sober second can thought variety or not here. I come if you despise Iraq. I have two bits of news that will confuse you at first but impress you later. They can be trained to play hide and seek and they have fun while they play it and exclamation. Merck scientists at MIT have have created a brand new black so black it absorbs nearly one hundred percent of light and we'll find out whether they're scared of it as we are as it happens the Monday condition radio that whispers hello darkness my new friend. A family is in mourning tonight in the Toronto suburb of Mississauga Seventeen year old. Jonathan Davis was shot and killed on Saturday evening. Police say the seventeen year old was an innocent bystander when seven people in dark clothes and Balaclavas opened fire parkhead near his family's home there are reports that the shooters may have been targeting a re rap video being filmed at the scene Salma. LLC is a close friend of Jonathan Davis's mother. We reached her in Toronto. Some at what point did you realize something. Horrible happened so what happened unless I received the call from my friend and all I can hear her. She was panicking. She Jonathan Jonathan help. Someone held helping they say Pi. It's me is what's wrong everything okay. She just kept on repeating Jonathan than she sang. Ask someone can help I hear people in the background. They didn't know exactly what was going on so I was always liked camp coming. I had my headset on earpiece in so I just kept her on earpieces. I'm coming. I'm coming saying hello. This is the mother of Jonathan yes and so you ran out. What did you see so when I got there. I saw that the police blocked off the front of the the complex so I parked my car across the street. I ran in through the front to go towards the back and then I thought it being taped off. She was still in my ear because I still had the phone connected acted I can hear her but couldn't see her but I saw the body on the ground and I'd like it didn't know what happened so i. I see her Jonathan's father come towards me. He's like some happen whereas Jonathan this. I'm not sure solid I went. I was going to go under the tape but the police stopped me and said no you can't deny what his father on an family friend and my able to go over there and they said no where the paramedics were working on him then he said the police have said. I'll let you know what's going on by the time the police officer walked back to Jonathan was laying they took doc are obliged kitten covered him on the police officer returned back to me and said unfortunately he he died in were you. Were you conveying all this to Jonathan's father. Yes he was right there. He's he's half. Line is not able to see that well so oh. I'm he was right beside me and then I told him I unfortunately he's passed. He's he's dead. is father says says what can. I touch him. I said well not right now at the crime seems we can't touch him right now. So the mother had ran back back to the body from where she was. I'm not sure where she came from. Because everything just happened so fast I will never forget this image in my head is she took the cover off of his body and lifted up and saw her son lying there. They brought me the brought me around the tape and told me okay they're. GonNa bring her over to the other side so me and the Father Walked Dyke guided him and we walked over to the other side to where they work in the bring bring her closer to where she lived and she just fell into my hands. She was numb. She didn't like she didn't know what to do. Thanks She understands was beside herself. It was a horrific day. I would never fail never forget that day. We've poor woman yes and and fathers well. They were both you were the support for them. At that point yes yes I was his seventeen year old boy uh-huh in Jonathan Davis and he was not had nothing to do with this this films as being shot where the shooting began nope had nothing to do with it. He wasn't someone that he wasn't someone that hung outside. He wasn't someone that was. He was really early into sports. love video games. He loved electronics. He would go with his dad on when his dad was was able to see he. Would you go with his dad too. His Dad was election so his dad wanted him to learn the trade so he take him with him. Two different jobs. That's Jonathan was quiet quiet young man very respectable person. I've known him since he was a baby like I've grown up around him and his his brothers and sisters so I am his mommy and her. I really good friends like this was so senseless and then when she's reenacting and telling me what a happened and she said your number was only number. I can think of to call 'cause. He knows that if I if she calls me I'm I'm coming up there so I and and she's telling ptolemy she when she saw him on the floor and she picked him up and held his head and she was trying to apply pressure by where the gunshot wound was that was to the side of his head just hearing that and her explicit you will never ever forget that. Did she see it happened. Did she see the shooting happened. No she saw she did not see the shooting happened. No she heard it and she went outside while it was happening so she didn't see anyone. She doesn't know who did it. She didn't see anything like that. She heard it. She's looking to find her because he just left the house. He left the house and he was going back to change his shoes because that's what the father said understand. Jonathan also was one of the things he did for his dad was that as his dad was losing his sight that he was more or less. His father's is yes he was so he helped his father out a lot. He was his father's his right hand and that's that's his father keeps on saying. I've lost my right hand that he did everything for me. He loved his father. He was there for his father and there's a picture of him in the paper. There's absolutely lovely looking boy and now lost of this family. How so how. How can you help them get through this point. I'm definitely supporting her and everybody else involved there in the evenings evenings on. They're calling her making sure she's okay. I was just there not too long ago. Not Going to return back over there this this evening you're trying to make funeral arrangements earlier so I'm just there for her to talk to for hurts. Lean on fair to cry with. She didn't have insurance for Jonathan defend on because it's not something really think about but I started a gofundme yesterday. You know that this is Jonathan is not the first boy to be killed in this way. I family to lose the child. What do you want to hear politicians because they're campaigning right now. They're all talking about what they would do. What do you want to hear from those politicians about this loss of life of these young people I am looking to. Maybe they need to listen to the community and see what. Da Think is missing. The politicians may think one way but you have to understand what what the community needs so give the community of Voice Soma. I'm I'm so glad that you were there for that woman for that family and and our condolences to to you and to all of them. Thank you for speaking with us. Welcome thank you Salma Alinsky. He is a friend of Jonathan Davis mother. We reached her in Toronto. Mr Davis was shot and killed on Saturday in Mississauga Ontario. The seventeen year old old staff is peel region's eighteenth homicide of the year in nearby Toronto. Police say there have been more than three hundred and eleven shooting so far this year with four hundred and forty eight victims which includes those killed and injured Justin Trudeau was asked about the shooting at a campaign event in the area this morning the liberal the leader has suggested that he might have an announcement to make about gun violence later on in the campaign. Reporters wanted to know what's taking so long. I I think it is important to highlight first of all that we took action immediately. When we got elected we made promises in two thousand fifteen on strengthening gun control control because the reality as we're seeing in Mississauga and elsewhere around the country is far too. Many communities and families are speaking facing terrible tragedies because because of gun violence and it is really important that a government show leadership on that that's why we move forward on significant measures to bring in gun control a AH commonsense gun control over the past four years concluding with a bill seventy one that was passed. Just this June that strengthens number uh of gun control measures Canadians we recognize however that there is more to do and I can assure you we will be making announcements further in this campaign about the next steps. We are taking to strengthen gun control in this country but at the same time I will highlight that part of the very important choice. Canadians are going to be making in this election election about whether to go backwards or keep moving forwards is highlighted by the fact that the Conservatives under Andrew Share have committed to repeal the measures that we just brought in last June to strengthen gun control including enhanced background checks and certainly will disagree three with the measures that we're going to be announcing the move forward on further gun control that was liberal leader Justin Trudeau speaking at a campaign event outside Toronto earlier today it it marks the most punishing blow against in Saudi Arabia since the civil war in Yemen began on Saturday aerial attacks struck oil production facilities in Saudi Arabia the largest in the world who the rebels in Yemen have claimed responsibility and it's had major reverberations on the markets and the global supply of oil the Hutu rebels chief ally is he's around and today Saudi Arabia claimed that the weapons used in the attack were Iranian the United States has published satellite images claiming to show that Iran Iran was behind the attacks and US President Donald Trump said his military was locked and loaded to take action. Frank Gardner's been watching things unfold fold. He's the BBC security correspondent. We reached him in Birmingham Frank. There seems to be a lot of fallout from this attack over the past forty forty eight hours. How significant is it is very significant. because this is the first time that the four and a half year. Yemen war all has actually impacted the economy and the oil markets and up until then it was a really tough largely unseen more but was the resulting polling humanitarian catastrophes. That's the Yemeni people know because affected world economy. It's hauled side. The oil production say the big questions I think for the Saudis all hung quickly. Can they repair the damage. They can repair it but it could take weeks some people. Let's say months and secondly what's to stop. Whoever did this attack doing it a game. The claim is that the WHO the`rebels in Yemen have claimed responsibility. How likely is it that they did it well. I think there is little questions that tried to rape his enemies. Did it obviously and there's that enemy is being to be iranian-linked blinked. Even if it wasn't Iran itself they who teams have said they sent a fleet of ten roads propelled by new jets. Let's do this. The Americans do not believe in order the studies that were launched from Yemen. That's still a bit of a mystery about exactly actually where they were lowered from mystery about the effect which is devastating societies economy's international reputation and so that's why they're the the doubts are being cast mostly by the United States that it was the who is who did it did they would possibly have the capacity to launch these jet jet propelled drone strikes into well hundreds of kilometers away into the Saudi oil facilities. So what do you think. Do you think it's possible. I do because the usually they have any short range. Graham's fairly sophisticated ones but recently they developed something called the U. A. X. One in which is much more powerful than they've had Iranian help them this alert. Well tonight's IT and essentially really kind of what we're looking at. Here is an example of asymmetric wolves type. He's an asshole. It'd be pummeled from the air but they all resilience. Dave illegally taken over the most populated parts of the country intriguing. The Capital UH decided is felt in two thousand fifteen. They could bomb them into surrender. That hasn't happened so they've gone on booming and the hoochies has not budged not really the peace talks but they haven't amounted to piece the neither who's he's hitting back. When another player one other possibility is that there is there some suggestions there was assistance from inside the kingdom inside Saudi Arabia that may have at least in some way assisted this attack. What are you hearing on that on that. That respect what is possible is that who sympathizes. Yemeni nationals or possibly people paid by the Hutus used Saudi soil to launch these attacks but we need to be now is that the nineteen impacts and they were enough to take off Society Arabia's daily oil production which is messy if I've been to update to this enormous person complex and I've seen for ten physical Michael Defenses they're Golden Legrand but they didn't seem to be capable of protecting it from these drones in the air. They're going to be off about how this was able to happen. Saudi Arabia Ebisu spends billions of dollars annually on very expensive state of the art defences. It buys all these Achraf and tanks and defenses but it's something like this can happen. What's the point. I think some side is will be demanding. Revenge which will probably mean yet more as strikes rex by Saudi Arabia on targets in Yemen as the running out of places to hit home place so many times but now the focus is shifted away from the war in in Yemen to the sabre-rattling between the United States and Iran and also Saudi Arabia that when United States says it's locked and loaded the revolutionary regards of Iran say they're ready for full fledged war. We've seen how close John Bolton wanted to bring. The United States into war is is that word whether headed at this point neither side one fat. That's Donald Trump got to stand for reelection and he does not want to embroil the United States and yet another wall. You're on on news that want it might get if you lucky shot to make life difficult for people in the straight to pull news for shipping and drive up oil prices ultimately if it's gets involved from a shooting war it's going to be completely pummeled the US and to a lesser extent its Gulf Arab allies will absolutely have Iranian defenses offenses the match the bigger picture and all of this is that the White House this administration which withdrew unilaterally from the Iran nuclear deal at a slapped on on secondary sanctions on Iran meaning that not just US companies but other companies can't deal with the United States if they deal with the wrong. It's crippling the raining. Culminate exports way down. Their economy is in deep trouble. It's running out of money and that's hurting very ron is looking for ways hook people back Frank. We will leave it there. We will obviously be following this story very close. Say I thank you for speaking with US tonight. Welcome tonight Frank. Frank Gardner is the BBC security correspondent we reached him in Birmingham. Approach once there was a black blacker than the blackest focused black it is called Vanna Block as substance developed by Surrey Nanno systems in the UK a substance that absorbs ninety nine point nine six six percent of visible light darkness so dark it approaches the supernatural but low there is a darkness darker a black so black it makes the soul weep and the is say. I totally don't know what's going on researchers at MIT say this possibly Leo cult color sucks up ninety nine point nine nine five percent a visible light. Brian wardle is a professor of aeronautics and Astronautics Alexa MIT and director of the lab that led the study in partnership with Mit's artist in residence. We reached Mr Wardell in Cambridge Massachusetts. How did you discover that you'd actually developed the blackest black we've ever seen the reason I even thought to look was as an artist in residence do much streep that I'm hosting at MIT and she's very interested in ultra black materials and because those involved optical properties which we don't usually think about when we grew the new nanotubes we said wow they look darker than the the usual. you know black stuff that we have been growing for a decade we said well. Let's measure it and we measured it and that was a terribly terribly useful thing to have done a really. The Art really really pushed the science in a different direction which I think is a an interesting and unexpected result. It keeps getting more about the art what you're describing. The material is carbon nanotubes so what are they. What do they look like so these are hollow crystalline carbon tubes diameter on the order of a nanometer. which is a thousand time they'd be ten thousand times smaller than the diameter of a hair on your end? There's fifty billion fibers per square centimeter and this sort of class of materials. Actually you know natural actual processes that create them but in the way we did it in the way most people do. It is very organic terminology. We grow them. we grow them from a catalyst nanoparticle seed supersaturated with gaseous carbon and then that starts to strewed a carbon hollow tube Google very quickly and you get lots of catalyst particles working next to each other and you get fifty billion per square centimeter you can grow grass or if you're just the recipe right you can grow forest when you say it worked with the MIT's artist in residence to take a look at this blackest of blacks yeah. What did you do to actually see how it works to see. Its effect in light yeah so like I said we synthesize the carbon nanotubes using CD. We do so we did that on the surface of a donated two million dollar diamond diamond diamond is interesting because it's also carbon but most times that we think about you know allow light through them and the carbon nanotubes do the opposite and you know that dichotomy. I guess one of the things that Dima talks about in her art. She wanted to do it because in art. There's a concept called over painting or your where you maybe devalue value something valuable but when you do that perhaps actually increase its value so it's a challenge to the community and and that was part of the reason why we did use the piece at the New York Stock Exchange and that's why the the black diamond is right now the the black diamond. He's The New York Stock Exchange for three months on this way now. What you have done is created the blackest blacker by going from what we we've covered the story? Advanta a black which absorbs ninety nine point ninety six percent of visible light and now you have found a way to suck up ninety nine point nine nine five percent into visible light. How much difference does that really make to a human. I'm not sure I haven't compared the two objects them side-by-side new battle black DOC the one aspect of that we measured that a lot of folks don't is sort of speaks to Omni directional blackness so most of these measurements sir done sort of like you know banging the light like you throw a ball against the wall and it comes right back to you but late on real objects comes from all directions and our measurement we measure of At as a function of angle on the blackness degrade and I think that was one of the reasons why you know when we just visually observed it ourselves vowed a lot darker than the normal really black stuff that we've been handling decade with our practical applications you can have with this blackest of black since it's generated a lot of interest from on the optics and the laser communities an and as well you know part of that community is with a observational telescopes go for looking at a radio telescopes for looking for planets but in any justification where you have stray light bouncing around that is noise to the a signal that you actually like to observe any light coming into your detector. That's not something exoplanet his noise so having a material that absorbs more more and more lately. There's been a lot of interest in that were on. I would say optics. Do you think this possibility captured one hundred percent of all light what I I would say. Is You know this was a basically just a discovery and observation. We made because we were at the artist. You know we decided to measure. It was was blacker than anything reported. I think you know the blackest lack sh uneven number right or evolving cereal. I think others will find lines walker black so as time goes on all right professor world. Thanks for speaking with us. Thank you so much. Brian Wardell is a professor of aeronautics addicts and Astronautics at MIT and director of the schools next lab which recently discovered what is for now at least the blackest black Gen Evans was living the dream and she was not into the dream involved Ms Evans and her fiance Bobby Howell being chased by bad guys on a high-speed train why the bad guys were bad is unclear but in the dream Mr Howell knew what they were after Ms Evans engagement commit ring he urgently advised her to protect it in the most cunning way possible by swallowing it so she put it in her mouth grabbed a nearby by glass of water and gulped it down like she was swallowing a painkiller which she would subsequently need in real life because the train and the bad guys is weren't real but the glass of water and the engagement ring swallowing were we know all this because of some of her facebook posts explaining leaning her ordeal she's prone to extremely vivid dreams and this one spilled over into reality which is how Ms Evans and Mr Howell ended up at a San Diego Hospital. She got an x ray which showed the ring clear as day in her stomach so as she put it quote they call the the gastroenterologist and decided it would be best not to let nature take its course thank God unquote. They were able to retrieve if the ring before it made its way into her intestines now. She takes her ring off at night. Because otherwise Miss Evans you snooze you lose they were on a field trip to a marine science center on Vancouver Island but before dozens of University of Victoria students and they're teaching assistants made it their their boss went off the road and crashed now two of those students. Both eighteen years sold are dead Robert. Dennis was at the scene of the accident about a half hour after it happened on Friday night. He's the chief councillor of the local. Ho I at first nation. He says he has been calling for upgrades to this road for decades. We reached him and Anoc La British Columbia Chief Councillor Dennis when you and your wife got to the scene of this bus crash on Friday night. What did you see well. What we saw was a lot of the passengers of the bus had been moved moved to the roadside when we approached him they had their flashlights flashing and I assume the flashlights where their their cellphones and warning US listen so we we stopped and when I got there I could see that people were still being helped from us and to get them to roadside seventeen. Seventeen people went to hospital. Were there ambulances there at that point not at that point. No there was no ambulance at all at that time but Derek. Did you know that that to the students had had died attack know what's what state with with the passengers in at the point the state there was a lot of anxiety. There was a lot of you know bordering on hysteria. I heard one young young lady you crying. She wanted to get home so there was some of that going on and then I guess to calm themselves. They sang Happy Birthday Song. They wanted to students that seemed to help helping and brought things to Accom- you didn't want to get in the way but was there anything that you could do to help when to to seek some of them and she found some of them needed extra clothing some of them needed water so we were able to provide that that's the least we could do and then she just you know tried to talk to some of them to find out more information help calm some of the Dow and that she could and the bus driver there was we should say there were forty five students from the University of Victoria on the bus to teaching assistance and the bus driver and I think you you knew or you recognize the bus driver. We will have a conversation. I I recognize this man. I said Hey I recognize the. I'm the bus driver I've seen him in Benfield at different times in the past. What did he tell you about. How the crash happened. he just told me that he there was another vehicle approaching him and then he took caution to to be on his side of the road to the other vehicle could pass but I don't know what happened but I'm assuming he probably hit a soft shoulder in the bus rolled over a lot of people talking about that road and how dangerous it is. What what can you tell us about it. Well I can tell you that it certainly a road that you know does need to be improved because it is the main access road for the people that live in in not playing Banfield and is the main access a- access road for tourists that that come to the area and from what I hear there's thirty to forty thousand tourists come to visit our area on an annual basis and so the the road is in in at both the Times you know what I would call reasonable condition but it all depends on the weather. If we have a lot of rain and there's you know there's generally a lot of potholes and big puddles for that matter and it could take you considerable longer time to get to banfield dirt or Puerto Verney whichever where you're going but this is a gravel road right right now Forest Service road. That's correct so this road. You're saying that thirty or forty thousand people are using it. They're coming and going as tourists Chris in the region. This is the the road takes students to this marine science center in Vancouver Island. This is a road that where people live in the community inbound field or not clearly uses wrote. That's a lot of traffic under road. That seems to have a lot of parts of it that are not in great shape. I paid. Has Anyone talked about what needs to be done about this road. I think safe to say that every yeah Rachel district member representing Banfield has raised this the Banfield Marine Science Center has raised this issue Hawaii first nation through its participation has raised this issue and as recently as two years ago we were able to get all all the the the stakeholders into a meeting here and I'm not clear and I believe we had seventeen different people that came from I'm from different segments of the community and there was unanimous consent there that you know a road improvement event was was was needed and the province every dish Columbia the Ministry of Transport Infrastructure had representatives there that kick. I started what I would call a more serious dialogue with the province about two years ago and so we are ongoing discussions with them now that we have this tragic accident with two young people dead all these others injured and all the trauma they've gone through. Do you think that will push the povince to do more. Maybe get this road more secure for people. I I really hesitate how to answer this one because it's there's been other tragedies before this one and it hasn't moved to providence to to take action on the road. All I can say is from my perspective anyway. The current government has been more active with discussions with the community and and improving the road but like I said you know that's been going on for the last well since this current government got in the the current. Mla for the area is committed to seeing that road improved but as you know when you're working with government priorities and I guess he just has to it'd be able to convince the premier and cabinet that this is a priority issue chief counsel Dennis. I appreciate you telling us about what happened on the road and and thank you okay Robert. Dennis is the chief councillor of the whole IOT first nation. He was an club British Columbia. RCMP and and Transport Canada continued to investigate the cause of Friday evenings bus crash western forest products. The company that jointly owned part of the road has said it is regularly maintained and was recently graded before the accident Winnipeg's arts community is remembering a patron whose generosity made a big difference to cultural organizations across the country Kathleen Richardson Awesome spent more than forty years heading up her family business James Richardson and Sons Ltd but her passion was ballet in the nineteen fifties ms his Richardson served as President of the Board of the Royal Winnipeg Ballet and she was instrumental in opening its downtown headquarters in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight Kathleen Lean Richardson died Saturday at the age of ninety one Evelyn Hart is a former principal dancer of the Royal Winnipeg Ballet this morning she joined joined Marcy Makusa host of CBS's Information Radio Winnipeg to talk about Kathleen Richardson and the indelible mark she left on the ballet world walk intelligent generosity kindness she was where the the fairy godmother Winnipeg ballet and off the arts and Winnipeg. I call sort of a gentle giant she of course very tall very kind but she did not suffer fools like week. She was excuse the intelligence so I remember her mostly for the twinkle in her eye and smile would greet me with. She was a quiet philanthropist to say the least did. Did you ever engage in conversation with herbal. We're that love of the arts came from for her. Why it was important to her. She did at one point quite share with me. The fact that when he was in high school in to how Winnipeg picking out onto the lawn and they would do sort of Isadora type I instead of course she always chuckled herself doing that but I think it just came from the fact that her parents also exposed her to opera and ballet and the theatre very early age and I think it was just something she recognized was really important for committed. each have the art I know obviously she was a great lover and contributor to supporting the ballet What do you think her legacy is. When we look around when a peg the fact that that the accuracy the side has this kind of art community I mean she's going to be sorely missed and I hope that hurt hurt. Sample is being picked up other people. I see it as a very spiritual community and a community that is incredibly rich compared to a lot of the that are of it size because of the arts and her legacy makes makes Winnipeg a very special the unique place Evelyn Hart is a former principal dancer of the Royal Winnipeg Ballet. She was talking about philanthropist and businesswoman Kathleen Richardson Richardson. Ms Richardson died on Saturday. She was ninety one years old unless move. Sean mccan says he's had to apologize for a quarter million hangovers. He's joking but as a former member of the band great big sea there aren't many musicians who've song more drinking songs than he has. Sean mccan is about to tour rural Newfoundland for the first first time in about twenty five years and before he sets off. He's written an essay telling his fans that things have changed. It's called I love you newfoundland and but I can no longer be your kitchen party. Poster boy we reached Sean mccan in Ottawa. Shan you say in your essay that you don't want to the the kitchen party postal anymore. What do you mean by that. What's the kitchen party poster boy well kitchen party. Newfoundland is basically the a place where most parties happen the kitchen party brand is something that Newfoundland has kind of embraced as as a marketing tool to attract trek tourism. It's a it's not a bad brand to its traveled oil and I think I think we took we had some part in that has great big sea and it's not what I do you any more of embraced a life of recovery. I've been sober for almost eight years and I'm coming back to. Newfoundland and I wanted to manage expectations patients. I'm coming to talk to you Newfoundland Youth about addiction and recovery and I've had to overcome some expectations of me people literally asking he can recall this event or kitchen party. I had unfortunately no those days are over for me it. Now you're not the first person who has taken it on themselves to try and tell young people tried to tell anybody about the problems of addiction someone who is recovering from that from addiction and feels else compelled to help others to do that and to speak to others but rarely do people associate that with the place they come from to the degree that you have in this essay essay. What what are you saying about Newfoundland and it's drinking culture. I think we have a drinking culture that is arguably bigger than other regions in in the world. I think we actually rely on it as a marketing tool for tourism purposes and I think that it's dangerous to build brands like that because as you eventually had to live up to them also learned through my recovery that people drink and use drugs for reasons and I was born in Rural Newfoundland and and I I really have a person understanding of what teenagers face their people drink and use drugs for reasons. I was fifteen when I was sexually abused by my priest and it led to an addiction and I wanna go back to where I came from in particular and talk about that. I don't WanNa talk about kitchen parties anymore. I I WANNA talk about the consequences and I'm not saying that every kitchen party is wrong or evil or bad. I'm saying there are dangers associated and we need to know those two. I know people know you from Great Big Sea and from the music from everything you have done in that regard and associates you so strongly with Newfoundland and its culture but you have left Newfoundland. This is the import when you say what you want to go back to Newfoundland. Why did you leave one of the first things you have. I have to do and you want to embrace recovery his remove yourself from the temptations that led you into addiction and living in Saint John's especially maybe as a member of great big sea and it was really hard to find a sober community when I showed up I lost contact contact with my various acquaintances and I was very much alone at a very vulnerable time. It happens a lot carol people you just you know you change your lifestyle. You move away from those things and that's what I did. I when I've heard this before from from recovering addicts. They say that they have to move away from them to be away away from the friends. Find new friends find new circles new activities rarely do they have to leave their home rarely do they have to leave their city and and their culture sure in everything that Madison as much as matters to you. Do you find that to be quite extraordinary. I Love Newfoundland the land and I miss it. I miss it every day but it's really hard to be an alcoholic in Saint John's where there are so many birds and the tourism. S- logo slogans our kitchen party this screeching. It's all around and people drink a lot. You you became sober while you were still with great big sea did that change your relationship with the band members. Allendale and the others yeah. I don't regret leaving the band or I can't get on that bus anymore. just because I sobered up didn't mean the lifestyle changed and again. That's a that's a culture in and of itself. Living on a rock and roll buses is a different way of life in a dangerous way of life. I've lost many friends to it but what I did which I probably. If I had my time back I wouldn't've done. I did the twenty th anniversary tour sober. I'd it just becomes over and I got on that bus to sixteen months sober on the bus data costs a lot of tension and a lot of pain and I'll take one third of the blame for that a- and and what's your relationship like with the musicians with the others in great big sea now. We don't really have any conversation. I haven't spoken to the boys in a long cars over a year when you take your message to young people about addiction and to warn them about it. What does it tell them that. You had to give up. So much is to not drink that you have to leave your your city your home leave your band. Your friends you had to you had to change so much. What does that say to and then when when you tell them that what I hope to do is is to be able to preempt problems you know. I hope they will be able to stay Newfoundland because they will. It'll be self aware and won't be indoctrinated into this kind of boozy culture because what I what I know people drink and use drugs for reasons and we're all going to encounter after suffering. It's how we deal with it and I made the mistake of of resorting to drugs and alcohol for thirty five years I was carrying the secret acquit around but secrets can kill you and the only way to defeat a secret is to tell it but if I can save one single teenager in Newfoundland from from the darkness of addiction this trip will be worth it and you know this piece I wrote for. CBC This op Ed. I mean this was a hard thing for me to do I would I would I would get some criticism for this and take some heat and I have but you know. I think I struck a nerve to lie. I've I've started opening spoken about a problem. Dat You know many new fans are aware about what we never talk about. How much push back how much from people who are upset defensive by what you've written about Newfoundland would would how how big is that. It's actually a very small part of it but what struck me was the very few who are critical how really angry they were and my heart goes out to them because I think I've struck nerves there. Ninety nine percent of the comments were very positive. I'm still waiting through the hundreds of emails and messages inches of mostly people saying thanks for bringing this up. This needed to be brought up and I'm glad I did. I want to thank you as well also for being so frank and honest with us and and in this article and I I wish you success on this tour you now launching. Thank you so much peril. I hope so to again I I really loved him with my all my heart and I can't wait to go back. Take Care Musicians Sean mccan is a former member member of great big sea who wrote an essay for CBC about leaving Newfoundland so he would stop being tempted to drink you can find his essay at CBC dot. Ca a slash NFL and we've tweeted a link on our twitter at CBC as it happens he was an Ottawa from the Rubinstein Water Fountain to the Jewish Public Public Library to the hospital dispensary where many Jewish refugees spent their first nights in Montreal a new audio walking tour of the city shares the story stories of Holocaust survivors who came to Canada in their youth after their parents were killed. They were brought here through the war orphans project most of them ended ended up in the area known today as the mile end or the plateau and now the remembering their first impressions of that neighborhood and its residents from the refugee boulevard project hear our voices of Musha Schwartz Paul Hertzog and Tommy Strasser. We came to harder for ex you around forty eight hundred kids in smoking's but could untrained. They asked me if I'm GONNA go to jail or onto a winning big Kazini meeting writing. I've heard somber for this arrive. Canada and I said yeah she was. I was able to get on a boat with a lot of friends and we arrived in Halifax thirteen. Th of December nineteen forty date in the morning. We've got off the boat. Eventual exercise with the Canadian authorities and the same day we went into the train was right next to the pier and overnight became to Montreal in the morning. We arrived of central station. There is a reception exception committee people from the community and they took us by car. Maybe two car we are right here to Burundi Institute. If I'm not mistaken there was a hostile or something on G. Men Street near month foil which was set up as a reception area for Holocaust Aleka surviving orphans but it was like almost like the idea of a summer camp type of a thing over here huge rooms with belt set up and the table in the middle and of course there was a dining room set for us because we were fed there as well. It's a beautiful bed. Good Food and social workers came talk to us. What we WANNA do looking. After you will find accommodation for you jokes whatever just relax Holocaust survivors Paul Herzog Tommy Strasser and Musha Schwartz recalling their first days in Canada after after emigrating in one thousand nine hundred forty eight their testimony is captured along with that of four other Holocaust survivors in the new refugee boulevard project the the audio walking tour was produced by the Montreal Holocaust Museum Dawson College and Saint Paul University with funding from the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada maxine. Bernie was celebrating this afternoon. The People's Party leader appears to have been in an airport when he found out that the commission that runs the official. Shaw English language leadership debates had officially invited him to take part the decision was announced by David Johnston. The former Governor General who leads the the commission Mister barone posted a video on twitter to express his appreciation for one very pleased with Mr Johnston decision to invite me too the leaders debate that was the right decision of Canadians wanted to hear from us and Canadians will be able to look at all the options shins and I can tell you that the People's Party is a real National Party with serious reforms that needs to be done for fear and more more prosperous country so you soon. Thank you mister barone. It is clearly keen to make his debate debut but Greg Lyle knows the commission's invitation tation could be a double edged sword. Mr Lyle is the president of Innovative Research Group which does polling amongst other things. We reached him in Toronto Greg. What do you think made the commission change its mind and invite maxine donate to the debates the commission seto criteria that they have to live by and one of the elements of that criteria is will they have candidates and over ninety percent of the seats the answer is yes and then there are three other criteria and they only have to have a yes to one of those three so for a new party the question was. Is it possible that they can get elected in several seats. It doesn't have to be a lot of seats just a few seats the party identified five seats where they thought they had a reasonable chance of electing members and when the commission that their own polling they found it as possible in fact to elect more than one. MP Sinister Baroness seems to think this is good news is but the conservative seem worried that it might be bad news for Andrew Scheer and they've gone so far as suggest that this was engineered by a hand-picked unpick debate panel using liberal friendly poster. Do you think the liberals into near this. I'm I don't think it was engineered. and I actually actually that the impact on the Conservatives isn't as straightforward as that would suggest that it's not just a matter of having somebody show up who could siphon conservative votes. He's also on a number of measures. I think most people would agree to the right more extreme than Andrew shares in that a key element of the liberal campaign strategy is depict Andrew Scheer as extreme as scary so he's going to have someone on on his right it figuratively not literally who's going to be out there saying things that are more extreme than Andrew here will say so what actually complicates the liberal liberal efforts to show sheer extreme candidate. Mr This year starts to look more moderate because of Mr Bernie being so prominent exactly so it's it's not simple and I'm sure the Conservatives would prefer. He's not there but the rules were set in the order in council. They don't seem particularly partisan. They're basically saying if a party has a decent chance of electing several members then they should be allowed in the debate. The commissioner laid out his logic very clearly and you know it. They're not saying that they're certainly going to elect members or even likely like members but it is possible they could food and when you look at the evidence that they brought together about appears reasonable. I'm wondering what happens during the debate when we get into certain issues like for instance immigration we know that maximum bare near has made strong statements and what he calls mass immigration there were third party billboards representing branding him on that that liberals that they support extreme multiculturalism well in right now in Canada we have when we asked people that is two points of view on immigration whether or not immigration is a is a threat to Canadian values or whether newcomers make Canada a stronger forty percent see newcomers as a threat and so right now. There's a consensus among the mainstream parties in Canada that immigration is good and there are issues on the edge of that debate but now you've got someone coming in much as press manning did back in in the late eighties and saying you know there's a bigger issue here. You people aren't talking about and I'm GONNA raise it. That's interesting in terms of of where we'll go. Oh this is the public embrace the party that opens up this issue which the major parties have not been willing to debate Are People going to say they know the way he's phrased it. It's too far out of my comfort zone and I can't. I can't go there. The other area where we could get quite interesting is on the issue of climate change in climate policy. All the parties to some degree have some kind of climate change policy but he does not Mr Bernie does not because he says he he doesn't believe the science of climate change in using this an emergency so what happens at that point during the debate while he's in a more difficult position there so there's a fair fair number of voters that are willing to meet them have on immigration but most Canadians believe climate change is real and most Canadians believe we need to do something about it and and where shears narrative as benefactor against the liberals is not challenging on the need to do something about climate change but saying that Canada leading alone will make a difference. We need to lead with others and buy your own numbers. The carbon tax you have in place isn't sufficient to meet the goals that we've set so I think once they Lucerne talking about climate change again that'll be a case when Bernie's out there saying that he doesn't think it's issue that will put cheer more in the middle what happens if there's a stronger presence for Mr Bernie in this election and he's able to attract more voters. How does that change the the final outcome in your view or does it change and it does because this proportionately people supporting the PPC if they weren't voting for the PPC disproportionately vote conservative but the same things happening happening on the left. Most of the people that vote green would likely vote for the Liberals are the MVP. If the green wasn't there they wouldn't vote Tory so you see on the center left the Greens this point votes away you see on the center right more on the right the PPC pulling votes away all the established parties are having this challenge so having having Bernie in the debate raises the risk to the conservatives that they will lose voters on the right flank but it may help them keep voters from from the center and so the net impact the Bernie and debate is wildcard right now. We can't say for sure which way it's going to go yet another wild card in this election. I'm greg good to talk to you. Thank you thank you greg. Lyle is the president of Innovative Research Group. We reached him in Toronto for the last week farmers mercy in Nova Scotia have been tallying up what they've lost and it's more than the initially thought eight days ago post tropical storm. Dorian blew through the province and almost wiped out some crops fruit and vegetable farmer Earl Kingston figures. He lost about half a million dollars in the storm. CBC Producer Robin Simon Tagged Agd along as Mr Kingston surveyed his blueberry damage free list here on the ground yup those green ones. We're should still be on there so it's not just the ripe fruit that gets dismantled off the Bush at some of our next pick you can see. There's hardly anything to pick now. So what does that mean for your year while we have some crop insurance that helps us some the the burden is still substantially on the producer Sir but it helps a bit but other than that it means that yeah that's lost us. We don't have the cost of picking it but that's that means. We also lost everything else four substantial for us for sure since nineteen ninety when you first got into the blueberry business. Have you ever had a year like this. One now we've never had a we've never had a hurricane result like this is and it's worse for people to in all the people that that we that we work with and businesses we work with because it means that the what was going to go to market. It's not not going now. It's on it's on the ground whereas before we still have crop that produce later on so the same thing they're getting the drastic difference. I see that cluster there uh-huh these were all clusters all the monk fair and there's all clusters are not there now that was fruit and vegetable farmer Earl Kingston in Centerville Nova Scotia speaking with the CBC this week many of the foreign workers Mr Kitson hired are returning home because there is so little produce used to pick researchers and anyone who's ever tried to get one out of their house. No Rats are smart. They can solve Puzzles hustles run through mazes and even walk a tight rope. All those skills are cool or disgusting depending on your take but Annika reinhold wanted wanted to find out if rats could learn how to play it classic children's game hide and seek so she took six rats into the basement of the Bernstein Center for computational neuroscience science in Berlin and got to work or rather play. We reached reinhold in Berlin Germany Annika. Can you just describe what hide and Zeke with rats and humans looks like I actually started with the room so we needed a large of course because of the human has to hide as well then it needs to be enough space to make game interesting and we had like thirty square meters room for that in the basement so pretty much like you envisioned the perfect perfect Brett Environment I would say and then we thought it was hesitation in order to play with animals of course are you. I have to habituate to the yourself and the room so that took us like about five to ten days. How did you become friends. How did you do that. How did you befriend say I guess. How did you do it? It's a lot of patience so you just place the red in the room and you at the beginning you take it out for like five or ten minutes of thome cage so they have like a home cage and I brought them. Don Steph the homepage so they have like a secure space stay while they are in the in the bigger environment and then when you take them out stroke them a little bit you let them go around your body like basically go into to use leads and touching petting making them feel comfy in the room that was the most important factor to beginning of the study because if they're afraid then of course they wouldn't okay hide and seek because no one wants to play just running away from us because they want to hide and not because they actually paying and not be found so you so you became friends with them. You got them used to the idea and but we know rats are very intelligent animals and they can be very playful so how good were they playing hide and seek. We maybe thought Oh they will do like a really basic version of it or just learn one of the things like playing hi all things he but we were really surprised that they are actually very good in this game so they can play both hide and seek and they can switch between the rules ooh which is kind of the most impressive cognitive part of the game. I would say because at that to both roles and they also use both roles and played edem in a strategic way so it's not just hiding at or seeking to the minimum level so that we would reward them with the social interaction that we did but they also also use a certain strategies. How long did it take for them to get get to play strategic hide and seek after the hesitation which took like five to ten days we started with the game so I I taught them height and then afterwards seek or the other way round so both separately and then afterwards what I would put it together so that they can actually learn how to switch between who rolls and this gradually increasing difficulty took us about five to seven days so about one week for each of the tasks and then putting it to get like another one two three days in totally would be like with habituation about like three weeks learning the game but they but you were playing with them so how how would they do it just to run this who around of hide and seek with Iraq every game start with the vet something the box and then we thought its signaling adding to them that they would be the seeker by closing the lid of the starting books that we use the the box closed. They couldn't see where I'm going to hide we used some white noise so that also didn't have any acoustical cues and this was the sign for them that they're going to seek and if you wanna tell them that they need to hide. I would leave the little box open down next to it pretty immobile basically kind of crouching not trying to disturb the red and then waiting until which I'm out of the box and then it could look for cover and hide there and I want to go and find it so all of this would take about ninety seconds Mexico to read had like ninety seconds to go to a heading location and then I would go find it and interact with it if it was a good hiding location and you're rewarding. You're not giving them food which would be just a good give them that that incentive they they were rewarded by you tickle them and stroke them and play with them. So there was a social reward they got wasn't it yeah exactly so that that was a really important point that we thought about at the beginning we didn't want him to play that game for food reward because that would basically disturbed the the plate role of the game so we wouldn't know if they would play just for eating or because they actually had fun to social reward consisted consisted of basically interaction with Brad so I would play with it with my hand like chasing stroking petting tickling it. They like to cling lot. Did you see any evidence that they were actually having enlisted. They did they get there just being trained to do something but with actually having having a good time we definitely saw that they are having a good time. I think one of the first indicators The vocalisations that we looked at so so we recorded locations throughout the whole session and we would be able to look at those afterwards and see that the actually called in a range that is associated with positive emotions so that was a really strong indicate to us and then the second indicator for that they're having fun. One is the way they're moving so they're a freely moving through the basement they're not afraid of any location area in the basement and they're having this playful John's you call them joy. Johnson a call and they would runaway and rehired which was another strong indicator for us that they're having fun. It was not just them doing it for the reward but they've also prolonging belonging the time by running away or a really hiding so that would take longer until they would get tickled. I would get this sounds like a lot of fun. Annika thank you. Thanks a lot it was fun talking to you by Annika reinhold is a neuroscientist scientists and one of the CO authors of a new study about rats playful behavior published in the journal Science we reached her in Berlin Germany and if you'd like to find out more on on this story head to our web page at CBC DOT CA slash Ai H. and rats are not the only animals who can play hide and seek although it's harder for another creature because it has eight arms to keep track of in May of last year Carol spoke with Giovanni Barrymore he owns a fish market in California yeah so you'd think he'd consider an octopus a meal rather than a friend but we reached him after he'd bought alive seventy pound octopus just to release it back into the ocean and played hide and seek with an octopus while scuba diving. Here's part of Carol's conversation with Giovanni together more from our archives any. Why did you want to set this octopus free. you know it just seemed like the right thing to do. It's as simple as that. I guess Yes you know I I've kind of grown fond of octopus over the last decade of encountering them in the wild well while diving and despite the fact that I'm in the business of selling seafood it just seemed like one animal do they could no longer support the killing of so when my doc manager called the tell me we actually had a live animal here. It's doc doc that the fishermen wanted to sell US immediate response was no and then it's almost as soon as I said no. I said actually yes Tell them we want to buy it. Because I knew that I would be able to save its life. I knew that his next phone call would be to the other fish buyer down the street in which they would buy it off Adidas Sushi Bar by tonight. How much did you pay for the activists. I think it was a couple hundred dollars. It was not a lot of money but I feel good about it and I'd rather feel good than have a few extra hundred dollars well. It is an unusual feeling feeling for someone who's in your business to have. Where did it come from. When did you develop this. I guess affection for octopuses. You know like I said I think it's been kind of building over the the past ten years as I've been fortunate to be able to go diving around the world whether it's Fiji or Tahiti or Mexico or Thailand or you know all over the world I've I've been fortunate to go to diving and had interaction with a octopus quite a few years ago in Fiji where I was actually able to play hide and speak with one while scuba diving at night for a good ten or fifteen minutes and I'd kind of poke my head up and he'd look and put my head down. He'd look for me and it was a a moment underwater. I've had many that that I'll never forget and when you have this this playful encounter with the octopus I mean. Do you think it was the he was is doing the same thing as you do. What do you know about the intelligence and the playfulness of these creatures certainly suggest and there's there's a wealth of information on the Internet. I'm study certainly suggests that they're highly intelligent creatures. They have many more sets of genes and then most other animals. They're highly intelligent. They are allegedly capable of emotion and feeling and so you know to me that's kind of where I draw the line so when I played with octopus it was clear that he was as interested in me as I wasn't him and like I said we'd kind of been up and down. He kind of looked at me. poked his head out of me and then we went back and forth for so long it just it it was kind of surreal delightful of and this is ten years ago. I have you have you had a close encounter with an octopus instant many yeah I mean not I haven't played games with them but I I remember being in Mexico once and I grabbed a conch shell from the bottom of the ocean and was carrying it back to shore is kind of a trophy you know and as I was swimming back it was about two hundred yards off the shore. I could get my hands. Were kind of curled inside this show. I was holding it and I could feel diesel tentacles touching my fingertips and I immediately knew what it was I knew that this this is octopus they can tell by the feeling of the section on my fingers and so I I'd put the shell on the beach waited a few minutes and a couple of tourists gathered around to see why allows during the shell and sure enough after about a minute you know one tentacle than to than eight emerged he was trying to make a getaway for back for the ocean so I actually took him and placed him on my hand Ed and he held on and we slam through the ocean together and he seemed like he was enjoying the ride as we slam through the ocean for you know a hundred yards back out to where I found him from our archives Carol speaking with Giovanni de Gallimore who owns a fish market in California back in May of last year. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on. CBC Not Radio One Sirius Xm following the world at six you can also listen to the whole show on the web just go to CBC DOT CA slash. Ah and click look on the daily full episode link. Thanks for listening. I'm Carol off and I'm Lucy. Van Alden Barneveld for more C._B._C. podcasts go to C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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SYMHC Classics: Not Ned - Bushrangers in Later Years

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21:28 min | 1 year ago

SYMHC Classics: Not Ned - Bushrangers in Later Years

"Wanting something amazing discover match all the cash. Back you're and at the end of your first year automatically dollar for dollar with no limit on how much you can earn. It's amazing it's kind of like being showered with cash cash from above which would also be pretty amazing in fact it's so amazing that millions of people a year are getting their cashback matched. They just can't get enough so whether it's raining down on your ahead raining into your bank account it's your cash. Back and discover is matching it. Discover cash back match. What are you waiting for? Learn more at discover dot com slash cash. Josh back match. This episode is brought to you by homeadvisor. Finding the right professionals for home projects can be tough and it's a lot of questions like how do I find a pro who can help up and will they do a good job and will get fair price. It can be very confusing and terrifying if you don't know much about the process and that's where homeadvisor can help from leaky. 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Just keep that in mind and enjoy welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. Production of iheartradio. How stuff works? Hello and welcome to the podcast asked. I'm to blame a chocolate boarding and the news of Ned Kelly's now identified remains. Has US all excited about Bush Rangers again and that's mostly because our listeners. Her so fired up about it when the news of his remains being identified came out as we mentioned in the first part to this podcast. We got emails from all over the world or inboxes. Axes exploded with NED. Kelly subject lines indeed so last time we started out by talking about nets remains being found in the news about that. That's but we also talked about guys. who weren't ned the earliest Bush rangers and Australia? Who laid the foundation for later? Gangs like the Kelly Gang and these men. Dan were mostly convict bolsters. Which means they were transported felons who escaped prison or the settlements and turn to a life of crime but in eighteen fifty three? The British Parliament Pass the Penal Servitude Act which ended most transportation sentences and after that the typical Bush ranger went from being a foreign born convict to being a native have borne Australian complete with a thorough knowledge of the land. And that's pretty important but another thing that's important is to to figure out the motivation for this new new generation of Bush Rangers since they weren't just already convicted criminals. There were really few things at play in the first one was gold so the discovery of gold in in Australia specifically in Victoria and New South Wales was a really big motivator of Bush Rangers in eighteen fifties. It gave them access to great wealth they could convert to cash really pretty easily and it helped the goldfields. We're easy to bail up. Essentially they were isolated and the police were are often neglecting their duties. Many were jumping ship to join the gold rush themselves and because gold had to be shipped across these lonesome long stretches of territory territory. They were really the perfect target for ambushes but there was another factor at play to besides just gold which seems pretty obvious. Yeah it was land so while the aborigines had probably one of the most peaceful attitudes toward landholding that you can imagine things change dramatically. When the first European settlers arrived and by the time the period were discussing world around a real beef had developed between the two subgroups of White Australians? who were rural in? That was the rich squatters on one inside and poor selectors on the other so just a little background on that so initially squatters in Australian history. Were just like squatters anywhere else. They were illegal occupiers occupiers of land in this case grazing land outside of the legitimate crown settlements but by the eighteen forties. It was clear that squatters were developing the country's wool all industry and becoming a political force of their own they were allowed leases at that point and many grew very very rich but we ended up with an influx of new immigrants France than miners. Who are arriving every day? And finally the colonies started to pass selection. Act so that these newer arrivals could buy some homeland themselves that auction and they were of course competing against the powerful squatters. So it's really no surprise that these two groups of people didn't much care for each. They had conflicting interests so our first Bush ranger though now that we've established the motives for the later generation we're GONNA start with a Bush ranger who really epitomized demise the later generation. Even though he was a compatriot of Frank Gardner who is the last ranger we included on our earlier list yet. His name was brave Ben Hall or just been hauled they call him brave Ben Hall and he knew the countryside really well he knew horses and he was australian-born he was born may ninth eighteen thirty seven in New South Wales and he was the son of two ex convicts. His father actually met his mother when she was at the female convict factory when I like starting with him too hugh because he is really truly the second generation here. The son of convicts helped her fate exactly and he grew up working with horses and cattle while his father ran a successful farm arm and worked as an overseer and Ben the interesting thing about him that was even though he was the child of two convicts he seemed initially on track for the kind hardworking agricultural life the same life that his parents were leaving at the time. Basically that they were at least cultivating right. He took on a lease on land and Sandy Creek and he married his neighbor. Bridget Ward on Leap Day in eighteen. Fifty six in a Catholic ceremony but then just like a Western movie. Poor treatment in the hands of the law is what made him abandoned this peaceful life or at least. That's what we think. Evidence about this part of his life is a little bit sketchy but there are two wrongful arrests in the first occurs occurs April eighteen sixty two on the orders of Sir Frederick Pottenger and the charges were armed robbery and being an accomplished to none other are than Bush ranger. Frank Gardner not a guy who you want to be associated with if you're on the right side of the law how you spend your time time and what you listen to our totally within your control but your personal information is another story because when you shop bank or Browse online your personal information gets out there and you can lose control of it exposing you to Cybercrime but you can get back a sense of control and help protect yourself and your personal information. Thankfully there's Norton three sixty with lifelock an all in one membership for your cyber safety that gives you device security identity theft protection. VPN For online privacy and more plus. If there's an identity theft related problem they have agents will work to fix it now. No one can prevent all cybercrime identity theft but norton. Three sixty with lifelock is a powerful ally to help protect you. Today's connected world sign up today for Norton three sixty with lifelock membership and since you chose to listen to this podcast. You'll save twenty five percent or more of your first year at Norton Dot com slash gone. That's Norton Dot Com slash gone for twenty five percent off so then hall spent several weeks jail but it was really no evidence and he was let let go then comes another arrest this time for gold robbery and again there was no evidence it didn't even go to trial and he comes back home and finds that his house has been burned down in. Perhaps pottinger did it. His stock is dead from thirst and because of legal expenses yes to give up his lease so he suddenly a ruined man and to make matters worse at some point in the middle of all the trouble has wife left with their infant son. Maybe for a former policeman so twenty two year old hall at this point teams up with Frank Gardner for real and starts robbing the countryside. Their exploits were really in your face type tactics. They'd steal racehorses in eighteen sixty three they bailed up the entire town of Canal Andhra putting putting everybody up in a local hotel and treating them to a three day feast and Bender. The party was only cut short because they got word that the river was rising and they'd be trapped if they'd stay longer longer and One thing to note to about Ben Hall even though they were really well armed and really well organized hall would stop members of his own gang from committing acts of violent violent revenge or cruelty if he could he'd prefer a ransom over death even though by eighteen sixty four gang member and shot a sergeant and by eighteen sixty eighty five another member shot a constable. It's easy to see how violence would pretty quickly become the norm for for these Bush Rangers but the exploits of the gang and the ineptitude of the police force eventually caught higher ups attention as as you expect them to his old enemy halls old enemy Frederick. Pottinger was even recalled to Sydney in eighteen sixty five for neglecting his duty he had been out riding in some races and he didn't notice that Hall's gang was is also right there. You think you'd recognize them. Yeah you'd think so. Maybe he was wearing a different different a disguise per laugh. I don't know but that same year things change Gelo. Bet The government put out a new law. The felons apprehension act so in addition to the gold and the land disputes. We discussed. This is really the third piece of the puzzle soul for understanding later generations of Bush Rangers under the new rules. Individuals could be proclaimed as outlaws and then shot without warning so this was basically martial law. Aw anyone harboring a felon could be considered a felon as well. Pretty bad news for the Bush Rangers with Robin Hood Type Reputations as we've discussed in the Ned Kelly the episode in in our earlier Bush rangers up stood. These people really were indulged by townspeople. Sometimes depending on on how good or bad they were I mean I have have to imagine some of it was fear. You don't WanNa insult the Bush ranger but these three day benders the three day. Feast that sort of thing townspeople like them to a certain extent so with this new law in a one thousand pound reward on his head hall decided that he was going to call it quits but he was betrayed by a friend. End and troopers showed up at his hiding place may fifth eighteen sixty five shot him in the back then shot him thirty more times and that was pretty much at the end of the notorious hall. Gang last two members of his gang were also shot executed within the next few months but he did get some ballot immortality though courtesy of halls brother-in-law. And I'M GONNA force the rhymes here to make this work dargin. He was chosen to shoot the outlaw. Dead The troopers burs then. Fired madly filled him full of lead. They rolled him in a blanket and strapped him to his prod and led him through the streets of Forbes to show the prize fries they had had. But you know we're GonNa make it work So that was the end of Ben Hall but we have another Bush stranger. WHO's not such a cheery founding fellow and he's not quite as likable? So I would say that the notoriety of Ben Hall's gang and the ineptitude of the police are often credited as the reason behind the felons apprehension act of eighteen sixty five but not all of the Bush Rangers of the eighteen sixties worthies Robin Hood type Characters Hosting Three Day parties one in particular mad. Dan Morgan was known for meaningless. Murders cruelty and violence. Mad Dan as he was called was born John Fuller in New South Wales in eighteen thirty and he was the illegitimate child of Mary. Owen and George Fuller and unlike Ben Hall Dan Morgan. He didn't start out on the straight and narrow pretty much as early as teens. He was suspected of stealing stock but his actual arrest record began in eighteen fifty four when he was sentenced to twelve years of hard labor for highway robbery in Victoria. He always claimed he was innocent of this original crime. Though that's the interest is what made him a bitter man so after after six years he was released on a ticket of leave for good behavior and didn't report back. He was on the Lam and from that point became known as down down the river. Jack and he started work as a horse breaker in a station hand so maybe kind of getting into legitimate work except that he got into Bush ranging pretty fast when he stole the prize horse of the family. He worked for and one member of that family. Evan Evans along with another squatter tracked Jack Doc back to his camp and badly hurt him but he did manage to escape and from then on. He changed his name yet again and became known as Daniel. Morgan Billy the native. And this is when he really gets into serious Bush ranging. He was tied to the bailing up of a police. Magistrate into who robberies across northeast Victoria. He even gets a two hundred pound reward. Put on his head dead or alive how you spend your time and what you listen to our totally within your control but your personal information is another story because when you shop bank or Browse online your personal personal information gets out there and you can lose control of it exposing you to Cybercrime but you can get back a sense of control and help protect yourself and your personal information thankfully early. There's Norton three sixty with lifelock an all in one membership for your cyber safety. The gives you device security identity theft protection a VPN for online privacy and more plus. If there's an identity theft related problem they have agents will work to fix it now no one can prevent all cybercrime and identity theft but norton three sixty st with lifelock is a powerful ally to help protect you in today's connected world sign up today for Norton three sixty with lifelock membership and since he chose to listen to this podcast cast. You'll save twenty five percent or more of your first year at Norton Dot com slash gone. That's Norton Dot Com slash gone for twenty five percent off by the next year in eighteen. Sixty four. He drove up the price on his head considerably. Early by shooting the overseer John Maclean and just a few days later a police sergeant to so now there's a one thousand pounds reward on his head and by September. Remember another sergeant was killed. Morgan claimed responsibility for that too so he just kept. It just kept snowballing. Morgan was quite different from some of the other rangers. We've discussed. He usually usually worked alone for example or if he had accomplices. They'd change from job to job so he didn't have one crew or Gangi worked with the entire time he'd sometimes be remarkably Qabli cruel to he would force groups of Chinese workers to sing and dance before shooting one in the arm. He also forced the wife of a home stutter against a fire until her skirt caught fire and after bailing coaches he'd stampede the horses and once tied squatter Isaac Vincent to offense and then set fire to a nearby shed. So it's not a very nice guy area bad but he really really hated squatters. And it's good that we gave that explanations. No at squatters are. You're not just like what he having against since squatters illegal landholders but he hated those who had bad reputations as employers especially and during raids. He'd pull all these stunts. That kind of sound like Robin Hood but kind of bad too like Robin Hood with a dark twist. In one case he made one squatter right more than four hundred pounds worth of checks to his employees while he was bailing him up and during another he made the employer give food and drink to all of his employees and his temper per was really unpredictable to it could shift on a dime turning from courtly. They'll tell you often see it described and consider it too violent and thus his name Madden Madam sometimes mad dog and it's this element of his personality that unpredictable temper plus his five foot ten frame his dark beard in in this very hooked bird like knows that made people seriously afraid of him and he worked on that fear he would kill informants without question Shannon. That's probably part of why he part of the reason why he worked alone and switched up his partners so frequently but he he was the scary guy eventually though his reputation did catch up with him in the early months of eighteen sixty five. Morgan pulled six major robberies before the passing of the felons apprehension act and the day that it did pass US April eighth eighteen sixty five. He committed his last crime in what timing right exactly he build up. A homestead in northeast Victoria pretty standard stuff. Jeff from Oregon Right. But what he didn't know was that the CO owner of the station. A man named George Rutherford lift really nearby and a nurse at the station. Alice Keenan managed to get word to Rutherford about what was going on. He rounded up a posse of workers local men and police to wait for Morgan's appearance in the morning. So when Morgan emerged in the morning to steal a horse he was shot in the back and he died by that afternoon but they didn't just bury them though they didn't they cut his beard skin and all off of his face consent his severed head to a Melbourne anatomy professor. Yeah the beard thing is usually described as being flayed off his face which I think is so horrible. What a what a gross souvenir but Kind of a a grisly end for Dan. Morgan will definitely grisly end. But these Bush strangers have obviously continued to capture the imagination of Australians and really people around the world and we talked a little bit about Ned Kelly halley movies and spinoffs and things but fortunately their spin offs regarding other bushrangers to. It's not all about ned is. I hope we've proved with this podcast. PODCAST series yeah just an example of a few of the films that are out there about other Bush. Rangers is a nineteen seventy six film called mad dog. Morgan starring Dennis Hopper Oppor. He sounds like a really good mad. Dog Morgan Yeah. Definitely nineteen fifty three. There was another movie called. Captain Thunderbolt made by seasonal homes and there are several real movie adaptations of the novel robbery under arms by Ralph Boulder would and those feature Bush Ranger Captain Starlight. Whose real name I believe was Harry Redford and and finally? There's a movie called Ben Hall notorious Bushranger which was made in nineteen eleven and there were also Ben Hall TV shows. There was a series. I think on Ben Hall in Nineteen Nineteen Seventy Five which was a collaboration between the BBC and the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. So those are just a few of the options that are out there. If do you WANNA see some other Bush ranger movies but there are so many and I would invite all our listeners to send us some recommendations because everyone was so good about sending us Ned. Kelly movie recommedations combinations. We heard all about the Heath Ledger. Ned Kelly. 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In the wake of tanker attacks, what really happened?

PRI's The World

45:32 min | 1 year ago

In the wake of tanker attacks, what really happened?

"The world is supported by legalzoom. We're halfway through the year but it's never too late to get started on things you want to accomplish legalzoom can help you complete some of the things on your to do list with their friends and family discount. For more information visit legalzoom dot com. Two explosions in the Gulf. And a lot of questions today on the world. I'm Carol hills. Iran denies that attacked two ships near Oman. It's a very serious sabotage attempt by somebody in one of the busiest maritime checkpoints in the world. We'll get into the implications for the Gulf region and Mexico's president is riding high after fending off US tariffs. He does not want to jeopardize trade relations with the US. And if that comes at the expense of Central American migrants. So be it in South Africa animal poachers are stopped at gunpoint. But there might be a better way to drive up to Ghazvin two years ago, I would have been shooting ten shy cans cover drink with him. Eat a chicken have law from me. Nets that's the way forward those stories ahead on the world. I'm Carol hills. This is the world. It's got Iran written all over it. That's President Trump's assessment of the attacks onto oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman this week. Frank Gardner is the BBC's security correspondent Frank would exactly do, we know for sure happened to these two tankers in the Gulf of Oman, will the stool some contradiction at exactly what form these attacks took video footage taken by a US surveillance plane shows. What the US says is Iranian revolution, God's call commandos taking off removing an unexploded limpet mine that they say was attached to the hull of the Japanese owned Tanka. But the crew of that tanker have told the media that they saw flying objects when they were hit yesterday morning, so that doesn't match what we do Nathe Sutton, is that both ships were hit seriously enough by explosions that causes that they had to be that crew had to be abandoned. So it's a very serious sabotage attempt by somebody to intercept maritime shipping in one of the busiest maritime checkpoints in the world through, which roughly one third of the world's shipped all moves every day. It's incredibly vital. You mentioned that video that the US military released when you look at that video, what do you make of it? What do you see? There's no reason to think it's mobile Centric. It shows a white patrol craft which the US military of identified as a gash t- Iranian Revolutionary Guards corps maritime patrol craft and quite a lot of people on it. Manhandling or peer into manhandle an object onto it. So it would match with the US account. Now, the Iranians of said we didn't do this attack. We rushed to rescue everybody. We came to, to defuse the situation and the Iranian view is that the Gulf is what they call Halley J fast. The Gulf of pusher. And they'll all responsible for its security. They see the US is being interlopers. They say look, this is thousands of miles from your home. This is our backyard will look after security here. That's not where not the way, the Gulf Arab sit so countries like Sidey Arabia Yui in Bahrain are very much in the US camp, they are host to US forces in US bases. And they see Iran as an enemy, you know, this region, really well, the Iranian government can say it's not us have there ever been rogue Iranian elements that could do something like this. No, not really. I mean, the it's almost like the to Iran's said, there is the front of house, which is the foreign ministry, the very smooth well educated often bio trailing will diplomats. Then you've got the deep state. The I'll g see the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, call these people all the kind of massive hundred fifty thousand strong Pretoria and God of the Islamic revolution of nineteen seventy nine. They are exporting Iran's Islamic revolution to places like Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and allegedly Yemen. Their forces have taken over control of the Iranian naval presence in the Gulf. They've pushed the conventionally rainy navy and taking Davor and they've developed quite sophisticated and affective flotilla of foster tack boats that use torpedoes mines missiles drones, and they have a lot of practice of covert, sabotage operations. That's not alone enough to say that they did this. But suddenly, they know that they could never take on the US navy's Fifth Fleet in a face on battle. I mean, it would be United they'd be massively outgunned, so they have gone down the route of asymmetric warfare. They've got a lot of high-speed shorter ship missiles, which would prove a real threat, for example to u s warships. Now these attacks on these two ships, help us figure this out. What are the parts of this that we still don't know what, what are investigators? And observers still looking to find out. We still need to know exactly what the weapon that was used. Where did it come from an who put it that an ultimately, I suppose, why the Iranians of said, well, why would we do it? We want to export our oil. This isn't helpful actually, in the short term. It is driving up the oil price, which temporarily helps the Iranian economy. But if there is a smoking gun found that actually ties this to Iran, it'll be very bad for Iran. The Iranians would say, well, we didn't do this. So it's got to be somebody else. And they've said this to me, personally, it'll be somebody who wants to undermine our relations with the rest of the world, which I have to say a strange already the forget that this comes all this came right. At the time of the very important. Visit by the Japanese Prime minister Shinzo Ave to Iran discussing the possibility of some kind of peace talks, or kind of concil reconciliation between the US and Iran. They sides of said the time isn't right for that. We're not interested. Frank Gardner is the BBC secure. Correspondent thanks a lot Frank. You welcome. Okay. So to fuel tankers are crippled in the Gulf of Oman. So what happens to the ships now? Well, they're simply they're not simply going to be set adrift. There's a Dutch company called though, scallops this tasked with salvaging, the tankers Martin shoot over is with bost- gals. He says the crew is already on the scene getting to work. They are indeed yesterday morning. Local time, at least in time, the two vessels were retired. The casualties inflicted the damage. We immediately then prepare for the majority that we are involved by mobilizing our own equipment, our own people. So we fly people out get ready to get out to the Middle East. We look at which vessels are in the vicinity, and if not our own vessels, we contract them and at the same time in parallel, we have the discussion with the insurance companies to make sure that we also get the, the contract for the for the job. What are some of the challenges of doing this time? Of operation, especially in a place like the Gulf of Oman, which is a scene of, of pretty intense geopolitical tension. It generally, what is, what is what makes the challenge for us is that you are being expected to do a job, which is being done under extreme circumstances. It's not something which are able to plan months in advance, something has happened unexpectedly. You have to mobilize people at very short notice with the resources you have at hand, the G, political element hair. I think is, you know, for for our crew is less of a day today consideration. He's at the end of the day, there is support, we have their navy vessels. The US navy is is out there. So the support from the international navies around the world and the task force's obviously helps his greatly. But what about evidence of, of the crime? I mean, do you have to make sure that evidence is not lost? Or are there other investigators on board? Dealing with that aspect of it. They're currently there are no other investigations on voted. It is truly a an area, which is dangerous and where the Salvors have to do that work on their own where possible. They will preserve obviously something which could be used in, in further investigations. But initially the focus off of our team will be to, to preserve to save the vessel self Martin. How does this operation compared to previous cleanups of injured tankers what, what makes this one somewhat different is at first of all, I think the cause of the, the damage and generally, you see a vessel gets into difficulties because either of weather or human era where an explosion, just simply which happens on a vessel a fire on a vessel. The fact that the sources and external makes this different doesn't make the Java itself that much different. But the calls is different. And then, of course, the fact that this to the same time makes it quite unique. Have you ever been part of a salvage operate? My closest involvement was when we were involved with the cost of concordia, the cruise line vessel, which of Asli run into difficulties of, of Italian coast, and our job was there to remove the fuel from the vessel offered had capsized and therefore there was a lot of human losses. Well, and then he the focus initially on the human element as search and rescue. And then it's about the containing the environmental aspects and preventing a Iran mental catastrophe from happening. I guess I want reality check here. How busy is your company? Are there injured tankers all over the world? There are generally a couple of news was the casualties every year. There are many, many smaller casualties, which never hit the news, where a vessel runs aground on a reef on a on a shallow sandbank, but a handful a year in a hits the news and keeps us busy marching should've. There is communications director, with Dutch company boss, callous, it's been tasked the salvaging, the two tankers in the Gulf of Oman. Thanks a lot. Martin frank. Have a good day in Switzerland today. Hundreds of thousands of women took to the streets. They're demanding fair pay and greater equality in general, wait in Switzerland. You might be asking. Here's the reality, though, when it comes to women's rights. The Swiss are not as progressive, as you may think women didn't get the right to vote there until nineteen seventy one and right up until the nineteen eighties. The head to ask their husbands for permission to open a Bank account. Yep. Not kidding. We wanted to know more about why Swiss women are protesting today. So we reached out to Marie Louise freeze, she's one of the protest organizers, and she spoke to us from the town of free Bork. You look at the average salary we still earn twenty percentage less than men. There are more women in Switzerland that have a university degree, but amount of women who are really in the league in Cassation's in top leading positions is very low extremely low now. I know there was a huge general. By women in Switzerland in nineteen ninety one. Is it the case that some of the same people participating in that March are out there today? Yes, there are a lot of women who participated owner, the nineteen Ninety-one because unfortunately, a lot of what we are claiming for has not been putting practice. That's also the reason why we read through this second channels strike. Are there a lot of women out there today for this general strike? I mean, has it struck a chord for Swiss women? Are they really out there taking part in this? So the participation is quite good, but still in the preparation of this strike to be realized that also many women feel like we should not be complaining because. Yes, fear Switzerland's. We are very high standard country, but often they don't know what it looks like in the neighboring countries. For example, now, you're citing for father sleeve if there is a baby. And in all the other countries surrounding sits land. We have a father sneath. In case of first. So some people that just also as you also have this picture in the minds that we are to pass country and said, we don't need to improve anything, so they just don't move because they think we should not be complaining, Marie. You you're, you're young you're in your thirties. What are the big issues for you? What, what are you out there fighting for? So on the night because issues is that if I would get pregnant now and be become a mom, I would probably need to lose my job because there is no legal basic that assuras for women to have to care for sure. It depends on on the commune they're living. So if you're living in the city of turn, you get some subvention for childcare so that you can continue urging. But if you live in the village next to Ben this village might not offer this for the two. And so the mother would be forced to stay at home. So there's there's just a lot of the situation varies really from town to town and said he to city, yeah. What sort of support are you getting from Swiss men? So this is very paradox. Or like some, some men. They really see. And understand the reasons why Lieber. Asking women to strike today and other men day, somehow feel aggressed by us, it's a bit tricky because they take it. So personally, even though if you think that to be think it's like a system problem, not a person individual person problem that was Louis freese one of the organizers of today's women's strike in Switzerland. I'm Carol hills. And this is the world. Here's something to think about in South Africa in two thousand seven thirteen rhinos were killed seven years later. The number was almost thirteen hundred that jump has a lot to do with rising demand in Asia for rhino horn, coupled with the fact that rhino populations have plummeted elsewhere. So anti-poaching squads in South Africa, have grown, more militant, you know, guns drawn. But his Amy Bracken reports a leader in the armed protection of rhinos now questions whether that's the right approach. Vincent barcus Frejus through the Bush to reach a rhino carcass. It's a typical morning for him then. Van. Today. He's telling a first time cutter, how to run an exact oh, knife through the rhinos thick skin. The stench is overpowering, but burqas doesn't wear face masks, or gloves as he pushes his hands inside the rhino. The search for the poacher's bullet. What's settles hit three soon? Four. They find the bullet near rib and hand it to a police officer to keep us evidence. Then it's back to base camp and onto another case. Barcus is a former soldier who decades ago started track, South Africa's first private anti-poaching security force. The company sends heavily armed men into the Bush twenty four seven to pursue an arrest. Poachers in two thousand thirteen Barca's created a team focused exclusively on rhino's because they were disappearing. Fast. Sometimes you have to have it militant approach, because you dealing with the loss through four animals that lift, you know. So you've got to hide beyond your guns, the Louis game reserve lost their first rhino about seven years ago, according to Sharon houseman manager of the park, and it just is collected out of proportion from the in two thousand seventeen they lost twenty three rhinos they employ protract to wage, which she says, has become an all out war. I don't want to sound negative and say we gonna lose the wool, but I also can't with confidence we're going to win the wool barcus works closely with house men, but he says he doesn't like the word. War, and he's no longer shirts, the best way to discourage poachers are learn believe that the way we currently fighting this problem is the rocked wave if I lived like I did a fired the opportunities available that I have would be doing exactly what I do. Bike assists thinking has evolved dramatically since he started track in nineteen ninety two two years before the end of apartheid in the beginning. He says he believed that black poacher should be beaten and shot for killing animals. He says he viewed conservation through racist is ours. A watch southern African brought up in part Tartus far as I was concerned blacks were responsible for enough problems. And I we, we put them to live. They destroyed the land affected. I didn't have electicity never cross my mind. That's why they chopped cheese down things. Get he traces his change in thinking to one experience. We had a group of purchased before the Ron parching. We call them the big farm, these hunters kept spearing warthogs for meat in a private park and for months, they looted pro track until finally barcus in his man, caught one of them a grandfather walking into the police station with him in charging awful truck stupid, Jillian, I all these young guys with guns. And it's taken us like five months to get your sixty two year old man says he started asking himself questions. All we do all we doing correctly. What, what is this on? Why are they doing? That's not exiting on purpose of instantly might friends with a puncture. Buckets reached out to a young bushmeat hunter they'd arrested in the past. He visited him bringing beer. And food and kept coming back getting to know his family listening for the first time in my life to this. Hey, these guys on drum, you know, we doing this much damage, yet, we've caused just as many problems here and we blaming him and we not giving them a chance to voice, the pinions or listen to them. And this is where we guy in wrong with conservation in the establishment of game parks, here, beginning in the late nineteenth century locals have been displaced banned from their old hunting grounds and shutout of wildlife tourism dollars and the parks often don't hire locals for fear they'd report the location of animals to poachers. It's a legitimate concern, but Barca's says it seems to pit conservation efforts against the interests of the people who live nearby. What's more every time in anti-poaching unit shoots and kills a poacher return another fifty forty people in that community against conservation. As a whole. Marcus began to support local initiatives late community gardens educational programs and a big soccer tournament organized by conservation group called wild and free. Some poachers distrust this kind of outreach. Others are on board. I meet with one poacher behind a restaurant near a game park Morris. Not his real name was a low paid park ranger when he got recruited to start poaching. He dropped out of school when his father died and was struggling to support the family still he was pretty torn up the first time he killed a rhino. And by the way, we're altering his voice to protect his density. I was going to pay because would to conducting looks like to kill. I even pray before when we do that thing, but the second time he says he was just thinking about the jackpot. It's hard to imagine Morris giving up poaching now it's too lucrative and he has a large family. Still, he thinks community initiatives like soccer might keep someone else from starting up people get recruited when their idol he says. When you sitting at home. My friend comes with a vehicle. You sit in what is the plan we go some way? Maybe we can if money just for one type. Soccer tournaments provide cash for participants, especially the winners. It's not enough to compete with the sale of a rhino horn, but maybe it can take the edge off reducing some of the desperate need for money. Morris says. At this tournament. Some fans say they think the games are reducing poaching Barca's says that's hard to measure at this point for him. It's mostly about building. A bridge was actually more of a look, guys. We hit to help we want you to trust us trust might be a big ask given the history here. But burqas believes it's worth striving, for to drive up to God's that two years ago, it would have been shooting ten shy cans ever drink with him. Eats chicken avid, chat have law. I mean, that's, that's the way forward Becca still thinks guns are needed to save the rhino. But he says he's convinced the biggest impact in the long run will come from making friends with locals who might be tempted to poach for the world. Amy Bracken put sprite South Africa. Read more about Vincent Barca's, anti-poaching efforts and see photos at the world dot org. I'm Carol hills. Hong Kong residents sent a powerful message to Beijing this week. But in mainland China, there's not a lot of sympathy for Hong Kong's complaints the situation. Different. And I think that mainland Chinese often don't understand. Exactly why on is unhappy with current situation. That's ahead on the world. I'm Carol hills. And this is the world where co production of the BBC World Service, PRI, and W G, P H in Boston. It's been an intense week for the people of Hong Kong, massive protests. There have made headlines all over the globe protests against a proposed new extradition law that many Hong Kongers feel could be used by China to take away their freedoms, the BBC's, Danny Vincent is based in Hong Kong. I asked him earlier how state media outlets in mainland. China have been covering the story when I do mention it to us very strong words condemning it, but they also tend to twice a lame protests. Let this on foreign powers that's a line that's been used law in state newspapers. But when was Asians on the BBC CNN cover these stories, very often, what happens in the mainland of China is the TV screens to simply go blank, and has that been the case this week with these protests, that's been the case because one of the most important things for the Chinese authorities is to tell. Tell that people that the country is hormone. Yes, of course, is no elections in China mainland China. There's no democracy. So it's very difficult for the authorities to prove that they have the power, I one of the ways they do that. Of course, the he's the economy. I think the economic success is a way of proving that they should be in power, but the other way of doing that is proving that they have a stable country. So you step in its seems to be one of the most important things in China and anything that questions that anything that threatens that is something that scares the government wants all still go to extreme measures to make sure that those messages, though, stories and not reach in that public. I noticed that the English language state run China Daily described the hundreds of thousands of protesters on the street as actually being supportive of the extradition law. I was pretty surprised by that. Have you seen any of that kind of twisting the story in China's favor? This is typical of Chinese. State media because of course in China over the media is controlled by the government. So I think the most important thing food journalists working for an organization like that would be to make sure they're on the government side, and the government's message would definitely baits. He tried to play down what's been happening in Hong Kong because despite the fact that China is relatively controlled, they're actually protests across China every single week. But these the social things that would terrify the government. So this is quite an extreme example of how fall Chinese state media would go to twist the story. But that's how state media works how is the relationship between the residents of Hong Kong, the city government and Beijing described in China state media. Well, Hong Kong is obviously at international city, but by Chinese standards is relatively small city just across the border. You've got the city of one. Joe you call the city of Shenzhen these cities of now suppose Hong Kong tons of GDP, so many. People in mainland China. First of all, they say Hong Kong was a relatively small city. It's, it's not as significant as it once was. But Secondly, sometimes people don't quite understand why home Cole has a complaining so much because even though they fill the, their rights to slowly being eroded compared to the cities across the border. It's very free. Some of the things that people were saying, I've been out on the streets today and you know, there are signs saying free, China, Hong Kong should be independent. Hong Kong is not China. If this was happening in a city inside mainland China that be such a heavy and forceful crackdown. The situation, Hong Kong is just, it's just so different. And I think that mainland China is often don't understand. Exactly why Hong Kong is unhappy with their current situation. The BBC's Danny Vincent. Speaking to us from Hong Kong. Thanks a lot. Thank you a week ago. The specter of US tariffs hung over Mexican imports. Now, President Trump and Mexican president Andres Manuel Lopez. Over door are both claiming victory for a reality check. We reached reporter, Emily green in Pachuca Mexico on the country's southern border with Guatemala right now essentially everybody is waiting for the arrival of the newly formed national guard and despite a slew of press conferences. We still have no idea when they're going to arrive. Meanwhile, the flow of migrants has kind of stopped because last week, there was a major crackdown on migrant caravan in smugglers, and migrants have heard of the crackdown to there's this sort of weird tension and top Agila where everybody is waiting for something to happen. But in fact, it feels somewhat tranquil, so the Mexican president kind of stood up to President Trump. How did that play out among Mexicans? Loop is over. What is selling this as a victory and it's true that his poll numbers seem to have gone up, which is kind of saying a lot because Lopez open the what is already quite popular, but I just want to know he did give away what, what seems to be a lot. Let's be clear. They are sending a military force to this other border to stop migrants. This is this is new. And also the Mexican government is now going after immigrant rights activists. I talked with Gustavo Mahad. He's a former top immigration official in Mexico, and he says, while this might be a political victory in the long term. It might not be a good deal for Mexico. She's a tough. Listen for the Mexican government. And I personally think that this event to make Mexico Ricketts either. And the way that they are going to be dealing with the Trump administration because these wells have various emit Trich position that the US took Mahato saying that the US took in a symmetric position. It was you do what we want or else, and Mexico staved off the tariffs, but they are definitely playing ball on the immigration front, Emily US, Mexico, politics, aside, is there any change in how Mexicans feel toward Central American migrants? Yes. And it's been kind of astonishing to me. I was here last October with a big migrant caravan reporting for the world in at that time, I saw people lining the streets giving food to the migrants walking through, and I think there were mixed feelings, but largely supportive and over the last, I guess. It's now about ten months. Support has really eroded here in Tampa Chula. I talked to a woman named Martin. She's a restaurant owner, who has seen firsthand the influx of migrants general Cobbing gen Y, ROY, my nigga poems. She says there's not enough room for the migrants and there's not a way for the Mexican people to support them in a meaningful way. She wants to see some mechanism by which central Americans could apply for a visa from their home country and says, truthfully at this juncture, maybe there'd be better off in their home country. So is this really a political victory for Lopez? Open door. There's two things going on. There's the politics of it and there's a substance of it. What's actually at stake? I spoke with Andrew saline. He's president of the migration policy institute in Washington DC about the politics and the stakes politically, both Trump came out, well with his base, and the zimba- thought it came out well with his base. But in terms of policy, both countries lost the US has damaged its long-term relationship with Mexico. It will be harder to get deals through between the two countries going forward and frankly, Mexico may end up carrying the burden of Central American migration, you know, some of which has been caused by bad US policy's center, if Mexico carries the burden of Central American migrants. How much will this really cost Mexico? We don't know. And I think it's safe to say that the price, tag will be hefty at least in terms of dollar signs. And I'm wondering what it will cost Lopez Oprah door. I mean he's a kind of liberal left politician, and I would think that, that going after migrants as an issue would cost him politically, you would think that, but I'm not seeing that on the ground here because public sentiment is turning against migrants. It doesn't seem to have cost him very much than fact there's this feeling like too many are coming. So they support this crackdown. On migrants, generally speaking, he has been this sort of liberal firebrand, but we have quickly seen that. His support for migrants has been perhaps, the first thing to go. He is still a pragmatist, and he does not want to jeopardize trade relations with the US. And if that comes at the expense of Central American migrants, Soviet Emily green speaking to us from top Chula Mexico along the border with Guatemala. Thanks, a lot, Emily. Thank you. You can read more about shifting public opinion in Mexico about migrants. That's at the world dot org. The US wants an independent and credible investigation into the violence in Sudan, us the word today from the top American diplomat for Africa. Tibor Nagy last week. Dozens of people were shot dead when Sudanese security forces attacked a sit in by protesters in the capital Khartoum, but it was only yesterday after noggin traveled to sedan that the ruling military council admitted ordering the attack the council has been trying to snuff out pro democracy protests, since April, when dictator Omar al-bashir was overthrown in a military coup news of the violence in Sudan, has many Sudanese Americans worried about the future among them as Amish Jellab a musician and lead singer of the group, sin Cain. His parents are from Sudan, but Jellab says when they live there. It was a very different country. They said it was a really exciting time for them. You know, they they grew up in the fifties in the season sell even myself like I would go back to sit down and live there for three months out of the year might from, like throughout my entire life until. My mid twenties. So I have a pretty strong connection with the country we've been went performed there a year and a half ago, which is really amazing. You have a song about your ancestral country is called Yasu. Dan, when did you write it, and what's it about I wrote the song about a year ago? Right. When I started working on this album, and I think that song is an owed to where I come from. But it's also a song that is talking about where you come from is in the only thing that defines, who you are. It's kind of came at me at a time, where I was very much get into the point of accepting my duality you know, I grew up having this crazy identity crisis, because I grew up in the United States. But go back to Sudan. I didn't quite feel American incident quite feel Sudanese in those kind of in limbo on feel like a lot of people growing up like me, feel this confusion, you know, and I got to a point where I've, it's I accepted my duality, and I wanted to express that in this way where I gave respect in an ode to where it comes from, but also talk about how that is. The only thing that defines who I am. I'm Ed, you wrote the song way before the current unrest, that's going on in sedan right now. So plugged in are you to the situation there, a lot of my family? And so I talked to them a lot. I have a lot of friends, where there, too, I'm pretty plugged into it, and I try to do the best that I can from my point of privilege and was vehicle that I have to show the world, what's going on in to kind of bring this to the masses. What if your friends and family back in Sudan, told you about the protests in their feelings about them? We'll it's a pretty confusing time I feel like a lot of people initially when they started were very excited about what was going on. I think people still are pretty excited. But there's a big level of anxiety going on as well, because the military forces now are just kinda running rampant. I mean you, you understand that sixty three percent of Sudanese population is under the age of twenty five and forty percent over forty percent of that sixty three percent is under the age of fifteen so it's all these young kids rallying together to move. The country forward in a very amazing way. Thousands of people have died now but people are still doing their best and ultimately, what it's doing is, it's really inspiring a Sudanese who live outside of the country to also unite and to do, whatever we can with our privilege to lead the world know about this. You know in in spread awareness about the situation. Now I know you've just started a tour in the US. Are you doing just that from the stage are, are you raising awareness about sedan at your concerts? Yeah. Absolutely. I'm talking about it. The elevator speech really is like you know, if anyone doesn't know what's going on in the country. Go online Google Sudan. If you have any Sudanese friends, give them a hug, ask them about what's going on talk to them. But then alternately what I said, try to say, like if you have any questions for me if we could talk one on one come to the mercury thing let's talk about it. And a portion of the proceeds from one merchandise is going to relief efforts in Sudan as well. I'm had good luck with the tour and thanks thank you very much. I'm Ed Jellab is a Sudanese American and lead singer of the group sin Cain. The new album is called depit. New NBA champion and it's a team of Toronto Canada. That's right. The Toronto Raptors are on top of the basketball world after beating the Golden State Warriors last night and becoming the first non US team to win the NBA title. This is a huge deal for a lot of people in Canada. You could feel it throughout the best of seven series especially before the games when the national anthem plate. Canadian fried. It's something fans heard in the voice of raptors president messiah, Jerry after last night's win. Growing try to prove the world that as a meaning to having an NBA team, one MBA team outside the US and all these guys these players and it'd be unbelievable what we wanted to win into run on. We work one Toronto. Congratulations to all you, Canadian fans out there for everyone else. There's always next season a lot of excitement this week because of this voice. At school, then they feel kit, buddies look at in lighted is new that may be the voice of iconic, Mexican artist. Frida Kalo, publ- Granados is pretty sure it is. Anyway. He's the director of Mexico's national sound library, which released the recording. We just heard, and he's kind of obsessed with it. Now, what does he in though, is, is five thousand yo swing your leather? Just give me say surprise, and frankly, a little scared. I mean I'm dreaming at night with free to Colo's voice telling me, yes, it is me or no, it's not me. I'm kinda wishing for a change of soundtrack in my head to be honest. I'm just so freaked out after hearing, the voice of Frida, Kahlo Granado says one person who could confirm if that is Carlos voice is a descendant of someone who knew Kalo very well Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky who met the artist while in exile in Mexico, the woken source in connection then. And then throat ski Lipsey me has his grandson, visit us at the library. And we play the recording for him. And he said, look, I can't say it's not her. So I asked him. Okay. So you think it is her. And he answered. No. I can't say that either. There's something about that voice that is strange. Her intonation isn't the way I remembered it the recording is under investigation as we speak. But Granato says he's got good reasons to think it's Kalo I the date the mid nineteen fifties second the host of yoga vase, if Wendy's. This. He introduces Frida Kahlo by name, and according to Granados Fuentes was a big deal at that time he hosted all kinds of famous Mexican personalities. So it makes sense, right? Well, not to gun on Corey, I have my doubts on Corey is an art historian at Brandeis university, and she curates and writes about free to colors work, especially because it's been dated to nineteen fifty three or nineteen fifty four when they supposedly recorded a program and free to Kalos very, very sick at the time she was literally on her deathbed she passed away in July of nineteen fifty four six months earlier her right leg was amputated and what we see from the writings in her diary, and her paintings is that she was not in good shape and just listening to the voice. It sounds like a very, very strong. Healthy woman, but it could be that she rallied her strength. I mean I can't rule it out. What is it that we hear here, whoever it is, what are they saying? So the in nineteen forty nine dago Rivera had a very, very large retrospective exhibition and for the catalogue free to Kalo wrote an essay that is called portrait of Diego. It's very extensive. It's personal it's quirky but, you know, she wrote it, it would be a unusual for her to just read, what she wrote. What is it about her that, that makes you think she wouldn't simply read something from her work? She was a very lively, intelligent engaged person. It just probably would not. It just doesn't seem right. She. She did use her voice a lot, by the way. I mean, she she was a wonderful singer. She loved to sing Mexican Corey does which are like ballads. She sang the Internationale is part of her communist political creed. She used her voice often. It feels like these are the things that I would investigate. I mean I'm not saying it is or it isn't because I really don't know at this point. Are there any recordings of her saying there are no recordings of her? And, you know, the London's Victorian Albert museum really, really did serious research trying to find a recording of her voice a recording of her singing their even photographs. Her with a guitar. So we know that for her good party had song, and she was a great singer. We know that if it turns out to be Kalos voice, what would that mean for art history and for her life in general, well, for art history, probably not so much? I think we're all very eager to know as much as we can about free to call the artist the woman, the persona the icon, so it would add something. But, you know, the visual images are in my book, the most important free Ticao, just has so many fans and people seem just permanently intrigued with her. Why is that? I would say that she was of her time. And but she was also ahead of her time in many ways of her time because she was totally engaged in the political philosophical, cultural milieu of her day. She also knew she was very charismatic. So people who knew her were tracked it to her. She was apparently, a lot of fun to with a sense of humor that we can see. But I believe that today in the last decades and with growing intensity, her popularity is because she touches upon issues that are still relevant to us today fluid gender identities, which is a term that didn't even exist when she was around is something that she explored through her art, and even in Harare writings, the very intense kind of devotion to non binary identities. The fact that she constructed her identity through her sartorial choices through way of being in the world, her creativity that expanded beyond her art to the way she decorated are home to the way she drew. Rest to her jewelry that speaks to our generations, and also I think that for many people her political views that creative foresaw, the problems of capitalism, for example, when she was in New York during the great depression, in the nineteen thirties, her letters, speak of the wealth gap in ways that seemed to resonate with what we're going through today. She said how some people have s- billionaires, and the other people are barely managing. So I think that her, you know what when I say she's a head of time the issues, she engaged with, and I think her taboo, breaking brave art making, you know, what's not to admire. I mean every every work of art by free to Kalo evokes both emotion. And thought and is brilliant. I mean, I think that it took a while for people to realize what a brilliant revolutionary, and pathbreaking artist. She is gone eight on Corey is an art historian at Brandeis university. She writes about and curates free to call us work. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. We'll have to leave it there. The world's theme music is composed by Eric Goldberg from the Bill Harris studios here at W H in Boston. I'm Carol hills. Have a great weekend. Our public radio international.

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383 - Frank Gardiner - Live w/Nick Cody

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

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383 - Frank Gardiner - Live w/Nick Cody

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Dave, Anthony reads the story from American history to his friend, Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. That's the rue the gimmick. We have a guest, you know, him you love him the terrific knick, Cody give it up, ladies and gentlemen. New father net, Cody, there's another one. We've got a he made. Yeah. He made a thing, semen works. Yeah. I'm like yours again all. Yeah. Said it's going to be done. Yeah. And you did it down. Yeah. Dot com. Yeah. Yeah. And then a buy become an. That do not yell show, by the way, nobody else show is again. That's not whatever you think you were doing was bad. You're bad person. Yeah. Eighteen twenty nine. You have our Lord. Our lord. Don't believe. So Francis Christie was born in Scotland to Charles and Jane Christie excellent. Yeah. Go too long trip ahead on reckon. Yeah, yeah. Frank's father brought his wife and family to live in Australia, arriving, December eighteen thirty four okay. The Christie's youngest child died on the journey on this ship. What is the food had the mom had eighteen kids five five lived five live to adult five? Yeah, a lot of bad stats you're tossing around here. Now, I on now is a new dad like the thought of bringing one by on applying pay roll their eyes. But if you fucking bring pain. No. You on a six month. Cruise. What one dies people like all? Thank god. She's crying, go hug, your dad. Brother hugging dead brother, the one that was coughing bunch go get it. Get that cough. I can't keep an eye on all you. What am I dug let let's go? You probably don't even notice, you're like, didn't we come here? With more am I ready have five, we had less than twenty? Who knows whether it's five that five out of eighteen so they got strata. They were only five kids, the mom, the mom kicked. It also the mom also died. No, I'm kidding. She's thirty third is normally a bike is dozen. But if you had kids, and you lose five, I think calling it a sad, mothers, dozen sad. It's a great Rolling Stone saw. That's new show coming out. Conrad eighteen lost. Most of them high on an all new set mothers does. What do you do? When you have thirteen children, die on a boat. You toss them. Yeah. Yeah. I just throw them over shark food, or whatever I'm not dead. Oh, sorry, guys. Oh my God. You through the live one. Why did we blood? They move by. Do you think after like a dead kids, you're like all right? Whatever another one. Like it's point you just got an. By the way, I can already sense, the comments coming at us. Yeah. Yeah. We'd be on. It's not fun to make fun of thirteen to babies. Maybe it is. Maybe at some point, maybe when it's over like eight dead babies, then it's like starting to get funny again. Yeah, yeah. It's like a joke that was funny at first and then not funny. And then it's like really funny. All right. You beat me into submission. So what a Frank got here. Five years old right Frank Christi. So also on board. The ship was the wealthy Mr. Henry Munro, he was from a Scottish family of professors, many professors in the family, okay? After arriving the Christie's move to borrow creek in New South Wales to work for Henry. Munro. Okay. It was a master servant sort of arrangement. The way Frank was a master. No, no. Frank's dad was the servant. Okay. Henry. Okay. All right. I mean you can only picture a Scottish guy in that role, of course do you like fucking. Right. Spotted t you. Sorry, what did you spot into us? Get if you like one kid or two. Why would you like it cube and your team? Yeah. Okay. A joy ill veto fuck in June. No, no, the last part the last part well him. I'm having a him. I'm him in. Last. The situation we've got ourselves into very chirpy for blog. That's lost. So many kids. Listen after you lose seven it becomes a fist. To the Facebook comment section. How dare you? The pro creek area was known as little Scotland. Oh boy. Many of the settlers continued to speak Gaelic in the area so they're doing all they know onto it. Henry Munro as I said, came from family of professors. So Frank got a decent education. He could read and write and do math. He also learned a Bush survival skills horseriding and rounding up cattle. So he's totally right. Full, Jack of all trades. Yeah. Just the whole the whole standard professor. Yeah. You guys still do all that right after. No. But Henry move to Victoria. Frank's family went with him. Frank's father. Charles was penalized for running a sly. Grog shop a sly. Grog shop yet. Speakeasy. Yeah. Basically. Speakeasy. Okay, got it. Don't you feel like you can speak so easily at the shows? A year later, a local paper reported, quote, fashionable marriages, married a few days ago. Henry Munro, Esquire of fuck it son of professor Monroe of Edinburgh college to the late miss Christie, what just happened? Well monroe. Just married, Franks, mom. Wait. She's okay. She was married up to Frank stat up until this announcement. It turns out, Frank mom had started banging her boss, Mr. Monroe way back when they were coming over on the ship together. And then she left she left. Frank's dad. Wait, wait. I thought she died on the boat. This is a different person. Yeah. No, I made that up. Oh, well. Clicked pulling at the heartstrings so strong David those joke. Yeah. Very dry. Good. Lord. Go to gotta be good road. If you tag on third kids, that I also whatever after Jerry. I don't remember having. It's yours for sure. So, so the boss starts banging, Frank, mom. And then Franks mom leaves his dad. Okay. So Franks, dad kicked to the curb, and he just took off the last last to him. He was like fuck this shit. Franks mob, and Mr. Monroe had a child, and then she died the next year that actually happened. I don't buy it anymore. Don't tell me Frank stead just wanted often got lost. We'll do him soon to blood. They passed by oh shit probably eat, my friend. So Frank twelve he's basically an orphan, because the Mr. Munro doesn't really give a shit. So he's never really been watched for years, later, Monroe married. Again, and started cranking out what would be seven kids? So Frank was now way back in any inheritance line. And he was quote, uncontrolled by parental influence. Okay. So. The depression hit in the eighteen forties. Convict transportation was still happening relations. Thank you. Fewer than twelve thousand people lived in Victoria, two-thirds of them were male. Two thirds of the twelve thousand people living in Victoria. Okay. Dude have. Yeah. Sausage sausage fence? They saw such fast. It's where the term sausage fest came from. It was the what they used to call it a festival of sausages. That's right. But euphemism. Course is peace. What? We have a sausage fast. Jeep. It's hard to have a conversation with you wait. Franks prospects for finding a lady did not look good. He started drifting around and getting into trouble when he was twenty one and two guys still thirty seven horses from Mr. William quartz, some much work too many. Guys pretty pretty well. He'd probably just assumed like eighty of them a die. So I was like, okay. Lasts all day this plan ahead. It's for William Morton. And then they headed to Portland journey of three hundred and fifty kilometers here we got now. Mr. Morton found out the horses have been stolen two days later, he spent that night and making bullets. Time. Yeah. Okay. Made a good one. I love that. He's got thirty seven horses running away from him at high speed and he's gonna go to the shit. I. Got some tinkering to go to build some stuff, then get on the road. He also wrote letters to the police in Portland and Adelaide asking them to be on the lookout for his horses. Like to let it say, horse, lex, just like it's thirty seven yeah. Traveling in a big pock. Thirty seven would be in front because the lead of would have gone on horseback. There. You finally get the letter. Did you say thirty seven hoses fucking? I just probably. Nine hundred horses. What did you see a puck? Strong pack. Frank stopped in dunk ELD. All right. So what Dave's is do when he says the word that he's not sure of where he's just like he's going to get caught just sort of looks up anyone is going to be an asshole. Okay. Let's get anybody gonna shout. So he's in no rush. He thinks he's totally. No one's coming out for him. He spent the day getting shit faced. Found out there were horse race is going on in town entered a couple of the horses in the races. What alleged love this? And he won. He won both races. Then he wrote a letter to an auction here in Portland saying he was coming with thirty seven horses for sale. Quote, I have sent my Representative Mr. William Troy to Portland with thirty three had there's foregone thirty three. Yeah. I don't know what happened. I think I do. I wish you dispose of the same by the hammer to the highest bidder. I remain, sir, yours obediently William Taylor, lake Mingo Murray river. He gave the letter to the local pub owner to send the local pub owner forgot to send a letter. Well, it's not a post office. So it's an interesting call. I think back then everything was like a post op as you just go to a guy, apparently not. I'd say it was a good post office. We'll no, no. Yeah. That's a nose to office. So two days later Morton arrived and went into the pub and talked to him in the pub owner showed in the letter. He's like, oh, yeah, this guy thirty seven. You say that rings a bell? Oh shit. But Martin took the letter to a legal court Representative to open it, and they open it. And now he knew where Frank was going with the horses and Morton and some police race to Portland writing sixty five miles in one day. That's a lot lot or yeah. Yeah. Maybe for the horse guy shit that cost would be so sore. I think. Okay. Speculative. Also, like the idea of the guy, I've been eating the door, and someone say with thirty seven horses and he's fuck of done. Some drunk ordering again. You what are you? So they got they got there. And and you know, the, the, the horse these were sleeping. And so they arrested him William Troy was outraged saying, quote, oh, you have done a heavy trick. You've come here with guns and pistols, and swords and one man with a big around shoulders to take three unarmed man sleep in bed. What a sassy little. Let me guess you here because of the horses, we still God, you guys are so predictable. Wait 'til we're up walking around with our gun. Yeah. It's nighttime. So Frank was sentenced to five years hard labour, okay. He was put in the Pentridge Pentridge stockade, which you just been built, the ARGUS newspaper was concerned about the stockade, quote, the inhabitants of Pentridge cannot perceive how a body of from forty fifty men including many of the greatest ruffians who've been festered this, and the neighboring colony of van demons land can be kept under proper disciplined and controlled by just five men. So this five guards for like fifty fifty lunatics. The worst watch ten each. Ten that's not bad. Now, lunatics. Turned out to be spot on three months later. Franken six prisoners attack the guards and escaped. They put out francs description in the papers, quote, eight has thirty seven horse. He's Scottish, keep your eyes open real prick. I love that not all of them joined in like fifty of. Six forty four yards. Yeah, the borough of you help the easier it's going to be. We like Cinderella story. So. They gave it a scripted of Franken the papers, quote, five feet, eight and a quarter inch free settler with Brown hair, a sallow, complexion and Hazel allies. So everybody meow. Yeah. He's a white guy. Yeah. A gold rush had just kicked off a New South Wales and Frank decided it would be better to become a robber instead of being a minor. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Easier it up and you just take it. Yeah. Yeah. The way God intended on the twenty July eighteen fifty three. A private gold as court was robbed in central Victoria, eight armed men, ambushed a coach for policemen. And the driver were wounded, they stole a hundred and forty five pounds of gold and seven hundred pounds in cash. Wow. That's pretty good. So at this point, they're just weighing money to got money and gold in the coach. Yeah. But it's seven hundred pounds of money or is it pal currency? English pounds I should say, English pounds by wishy what the only one up that didn't have that. How much money is it? It's thirty pounds. Heavy too good hall. Kilos my own. Yeah. Please respect in what world has anybody ever weighed money. And that's the day. How many how many dollars you like about eight pounds? On this scale right avenue, fellow bit. How many dollars eight pounds pounds are English? That's how many I want eight pounds. What are you talking about? Of course. I'm english. Saying, I want eight pounds of money. That's dollars. You're talking about. Yeah. Give it to me in pounds. Well, that's not the currency. You're gonna use. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Deutschmarks. How many pounds? How many pounds of Georgia monkey one? All right. So after that a mob of four hundred men, set out chasing, quote, the bloodstained villains on foot and horseback. While they searched Frank went to the town, the coach had come from and just hung around for a couple of days. Okay. They all tear off. And he's like, I'll just go where they came from. Yeah. Finally after days he was just hanging out. Drinking someone spotted him and grabbed him. Foot seven with Brown hair and Hayes allies. We all are Schiff. I love what how many pounds you want for the horse. Oh my God. So. Just looking. People look grabbed him quote. The rich was taken in bed on the following Saturday at the guy diggings where he was lying, booted and spurred with a female as abandoned as himself. What, what does that mean? So he was in bed with boots and Spurs with a woman. She's fucking with sulks own thing. Very Dinesh, Spurs. So far Krantz off. Well, it took them fully off. But then put the boot backup saddled up. Cowboy? The mattress is ruined. Spurs get fuck you fucking. You'll know to go faster. I hit you with the spurred. Oh, jeez. Oh, come on. All right. So. He also he's an ill looking fellow named Christie at about twenty six years of age, whose life has been one scene of crime from first to last paper, said Frank confessed to the crime the rest of the gang rounded up one of the one of the gang turned snitch for a pardon and a five hundred pound reward. But Frank somehow, convince the thirties he was not the escapee Christie. He said his name was not spelled with an e but with a why we got the wrong guy. He matches in every way except for the last letter so close. His first middle name. Christopher William, he said he had nothing to do with the robbery. It was so easy to lie to people back in the day, like nobody could figure shit out. You just literally could say anything, they'd be like, man, you just write your name on the jail. So all be like I just put my name up there line, they did put his name up there. It's spelled differently that can I go? Absolutely can we're not savages, get out of here. We'll find the right guy he holds up the caching do you think I could hold seven hundred pounds in one hand? I mean, this guy's story couldn't check out more. Guy straight shooter. Wish he had closed on besides just the boots Burs. That'd be nice. So turned off. So this turns net. Frank is like, oh, six months later. Franken a friend arrived in the town of. Yes with four fifteen horses for sale. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I, I don't give a shit. Okay. He racked up a big Bill for food, grog stabling and accommodation. So he's in this town, he's just racking up charges, and then he sat in the pub and forged a receipt for the horses, and then gave it to the local auctioneer who looked at it and was like this is really bad forgery. And then Franken is buddy got arrested. Wow. Okay. Because they notice the brands we're off on the horses. How hard is that to lie about? Currently hard. No. Okay. Frank was now calling himself Francis Clark. So he was not as the guy who had escaped from prison for which he had been hanged at this point. One of those names, different. So clearly, John. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And jugs on they pie in bitcoin, and they log that's not going to go up at all. How many pounds? On March thirtieth eighteen fifty four. He was sentenced to fourteen years, hard labor, and sent to cockatoo island in Sydney, harbour. Let's cute island name. Yeah. It's it's a beautiful place to play with birds. It's a very nice cockatoo island wasn't then. Then they were digging a massive dry dock for ship repair out of the sandstone island. Yeah, that doesn't sound fun. I have no idea what it is. And it sounds horrible dry dock draw dock in the water. I think. Like a Greek myth. So the guys, the prisoners would move giant masses of stone, quote, a gang of ten of twelve man pass a rope around the block, and tilted over on wooden rollers and then. In reality, commences, these slovenly rude, and dangerous work of moving the stone distance of two or three hundred yards along the side of the dock the men tug, and strain and Hello. And at the end though there. On the masses moved a few inches. The start of lime is. Definitely, you could definitely picture some music. Hello. Yeah. He's an old English expression meeting to urge on hounds and hunt. How? Applica- -bility. What does that mean for this just the newspaper writer was getting excited when they got the job done? They were all like. Okay. Fuck off. Feels directed at me. But okay, Frank did this for five and a half years, but he's fucking buffed. Yeah. He's shredded fucking lifting with these, though. These just got giant shoulder muscles. Yeah, a little wiry legs. Yeah. Then he was granted a ticket of leave onto Sabir eighteen fifty nine. He was to remain in the car core district and report to the magistrate monthly Franken a friend opened a butcher shop. I was just going to say when are they going to get into the cured meats? Next question time to time to get into meat. Absolutely. Franquet supply the cattle and his friend would slaughter and sell the meat. Okay. Sounds pretty straightforward. No flagstar. They're on the up and up. Yeah. Well until he was arrested for stealing cattle. Okay. All right. So we got Cassie might just shit line. Stikes. You say any fucking cows on say the cast talking about how. No, I would never. How do you prove stolen cow? I guess they had to catch them in the act, right? It's there slaughtered, you, I think that was my but they're hard to tell from the inside. Why did you grind him all up? Little suspicious. So again is arrested. He uses an alias and was released on bail. Wow. So easy. He is now calling himself Frank guard. Okay. There was a gold rush in the snowy mountains. So Frank headed up there. Sure, right, right. It was summer and people noticed there were a lot of skeletons of cattle in the tree tops in the tree tops. What? Oh man. What are they dropping from planes? I assume knowing stray, the trees are boys in this, and they kill cattle. This is before we had the shallow Bush grives we used to just throw bodies into. Someone might go Unda, of course. Seems a lot easier. Go to a place and there's cows skeletons and trees, all gonna leave Genghis Khan's back. Really bad. Someone's throwing sick cows up there. I mean, that's the only thing this could possibly be or just housed, or like the leaves up top real good. They got sweet varies. How do we get down fuck? Okay. Well, you're close what? Three twenty on us tight cows up stays, but no dance. That's a real thing. But I had no idea that can take trees up tree talking about upstairs downstairs. Yeah. Cows. Don't go downstairs downstairs. That's the cow stares shelled around the rental property. Yeah. Cows. Don't want penthouses to might might hope you like the bedrooms because you gotta be fucking Stein. We'd like to see more properties. Well, that's probably not possible for you. Cows. So elevators are there more cows on each level because it's the higher we go. There's more cow. Yeah. Well, we didn't know they couldn't go downstairs, and where we started showing a lot of these units. So this is a two bedroom. Two bath four cow and. We just want security in last month and again. Yeah. There's how's your? Yeah. Can we can they go can we take them out? Best thing we can do is toss them off the building treats. But there's a fee for that. So, okay. So it turns out, it's because it's snowy mountains. So the it snows so much. The cows were eating the leaves on the top of the trees. Standing there, and then the leaves would run out so they be like starving to death and they'd sit they die and then they'd be on top of the tree when the Senate snub would melt. Yeah. Still makes very silly. That's, that's how cows work. Classic cow facts. Do you not watch planet earth with the watch? Yeah there's a whole one about cow trees. The Australian Trico. These cattle some of the largest in trees on planet. I don't know what to do for you. Yeah. This is totally on. You man. You guys gotta learn down. I would have gone upstairs. Tree was dumb. Oh, god. It. Shitting. Moore. So that was my own little. For me, these shifting cows, some of the largest. Oppose it. So the biggest on planet. That would be terrifying that it just ate a bunch of food and have a nap and you wake up, and then the floor is just disappeared. Fuck your cow, like watch your Cal buddy. Like Frank said, this is not good. This is my bucks potty end up. What did we do last night? It's like the hangover. All right. You got a real tricky, Mike. So, so winters could be bad is what we're saying. Sure. Yeah. For tree. So Frank did not make it through the winter. He was like fuck this shit. He went back down and robbed a mail coach. It was just first robbery of a mail coach do to men near. Well, that's how you do it. If it's a male coach you gotta bring guys. Thank you know what that. He wore a disguise. Tied up to passengers and the driver. They tied to a tree, and then the made off with five couch rate. The Amana wise already Chinese identity. I'm surprised you even have to wear a costume. You just turn up inside of glasses and a moustache on fair far size. Vale to find you. Well done. I changed my name. I mean this case it's going to be forever. They're gonna find him. Hello. I'm Chinese guy. I heard on these Chinese for sure. So around this time, he teamed up with Johnny Gilbert Gilbert, was born in Canada, but moved to the Dorian Goldfields when he was ten he was a teenager when he hooked up with Frank Franco, also brought in a friend from cockatoo island named Johnny pies to Johnny's. Yeah. Back then was every Johnny just shady. And Johnny shady was there. I'm straightforward. With the gold rush stealing from coaches make a nice live in that way, the gang hand out money to local supporters like Robin Hood. Right. So they get a whole group of people who back them up their image, was that they did not rob the poor or ladies and did not use violence victim. Started it. And less victims started is a tough one. That's Filkin victims. Always starting it with their leave me. Bees. Give me oh, your money, punched me so self defense. So he's had to shoot. We had to kill him. He was trying to stop us from robbing where the victims, let us do what we need to do. Is so. Sorry, what's okay. I forget the local police were not well equipped this time share, they had poor horses were untrained or vastly outnumbers by criminals and their sympathizers in New South Wales potentially a better time. Now around this time they were anti Chinese riots in the Goldfields. Those were fucking awesome. We all love that. A mob chased off. The lamb lambing flat a mom on the mob. Okay. Mazda van chased off the police, and all the prisoners were released and the courthouse was set on fire and burned down. That's tough. Yeah. That's hard to keep laws intact. Well, one thing about that was all the records of Frank Gardner's cattle theft were in there. So. Now a free man on the Bill. Well, if you don't have a courthouse to you can't charge someone with arson. Where do we try? Got. Yeah. With Aniko and we blog wearing a week. So I'm a judge might wanna. Oh dear Mike Gavin was in there. That's what made him that sealed it. I stopped holding. So. So someone tried to pass off a ten pound note to a merchant at this time. Ten pound notes were so large wait. A lot of is. Full quila. There are so large that to get water or turn one in you had to sign for it, and the signature on the note had to match the one. When you win the lotto get the big. The big check. This is my ten pound Bill. Signature matches. I don't understand that. So the signature had to match. There's a book okay that has the signature for one someone took it out. Oh, okay. Right. Bring it in. Okay. Gotcha. So signatures, did not match. So the star keeper told the magistrate who immediately suspected Frank Gardner. Sure. But he's done. Nothing wrong. Right. The note had been taken in a coach. Robbery, Frank had a friend named William fog who lived up in reads flat. So the magistrate sent a sergeant and a trooper to fog house. He was there is raining rainy day, the sergeant approach the front door and saw, MRs fog, and then another man in the house, run into the back room buying a curtain. So the doors got curtain doors got like a Kurt. We start in five. Let's go places. From top just like we didn't cue earlier. Let's nail this. That's one of the fucking with boots on back in the day. You never know when it comes. Yeah. Plus, you get a move faster, but whatever. And so this guy goes behind the curtain, and then the sergeant looks at MRs fog and says, who is that? And she says a man. Be less specific. Humour information. The sergeant pulled out his pistol. He entered the house and approach the back room and then Frank yelled that he would shoot the first man who came in. So this sergeant stuck his pistol through the curtain. So you can't see just his through and shoots. And then Frank shoots back and he hits the sergeant in the mouth. Oh my God. In the mouth, fuck it. Great shot. Yeah. No more to go. She aiding. What's he saying give it up about about? What's wrong? Use your work. I don't know. Man. You're freaking out on me. We're in the middle of an operation. I don't know what you're doing. Okay. Sorry I had a frog in my throat. I apologize bullet in the lung. Quote the ball took effect knocking out to the sergeants front teeth and wounding his tongue at a frightful manner. Yeah. I mean shit of those bullets. Stay up all night. Make it. Right. Groggy around five thirty like I don't even know if I made bullets at the end I made blanks blanks got shot in the mouth at lost in my tooth and my tongue hoods. That next. Tung scribe now. I look ridiculous. Good God, I gotta go to the orthodontist, which hasn't even been invented yet. So this sergeant shot through the curtain again. Stop shooting in the thing is make a move. Just physical standpoint. If you can't see shooting through, there's a whole room, but there's just a little area where you are. Yeah door and he'll just shoot. You also. Yeah. I mean it's not like a barricade cloth. Oh, I think I can estimate where he is based on the handgun. So he shoots the curtain, and then Frank shoots the sergeant and it goes through his hand and into by the sergeant staggers outside and yelled to the trooper. Frank was escaping out the back door. But it came out like. What? Now. Okay. What? King. Thank. A car. Ear. Sounds like car. Sounds like a moron. Also the Cup getting shot in the hand and it goes by what the heavies hand in these pocket. Hand in the pocket. Hand on the gun. Very casual. Very casual shoe Lantis setting with the gun one hand my pocket and the other ones shooting occurred. To the start staggers outside and says that Frank is escaping out the back door to the trooper runs around, but there's no back door. It's like an escape room. So he runs back out front as frag is coming out the front door and a front door. The frank. Yeah. I mean if there's just one and he turns and shoots the trooper in the temple fuck. Yeah. The bullet did not crack his skull. Like a BP. Well, now now my sawed buns look silly. By shutting the table again. Oh. Dammit, the bullet was later extracted and had flattened like a coin. What is this is this, do Terminator? She just a bullet flats like a coin. Bullets. I think he was just my expose. Wedding toilet piper. He's math enrolling enough. Stop. So it turns out Frank had been shot by the sergeant all three guys are shot. And then they all start to wrestle slash fight. In the yard Frank was much stronger because he'd spent all that time on cockatoo island. They can't subdue them even though the trooper pinned is arms behind them in the sergeant was bashing him on the wrist elbow temple and forehead with a hammer headed riding crop. The wrist is a weird place to start get his wrist and I think that will finally listen bring a gun to a face fall. So Frank is still fighting. They still can't get out of control on MRs Fahd pleaded with him to stop. And Frank finally gave up and let them handcuff them the sergeant who had three bullet holes in them decided he was the guy to ride back to get reinforcements. So he took off and immediately got lost because he had a concussion. The struggles real. Cop. His. Puma. The trooper also out of concussion because he got shot. But he's key. Yeah, I've got a real bad concussion. I think I could say a cow skeleton metro. Yeah, that's really saying some crazy. It's an actual. First trillion. So, so the troopers worried because he's in an area that just known for three feeds criminals, and then the fog's went around to all their neighbors asking for money too, because they wanted to collect enough for a bribe and all their neighbors pitched in and they got fifty pounds and they gave it to the trooper who that released Frank. Troopers and easy by. Right. Yeah. And then the trooper went back in lied, and told his fellow cops he thought the sergeant died on the road. So he tried to transport Frank alone. But was ambushed by Bush ranger Johnny by Slee. Okay. Great point. What is community? Frank shot a Cup in the head again bar. Couple of bucks. This is all we have. But yes, obviously. What some of this towards the bullets trying to make to just seem really called flutters. Yeah. Flanders when they hit a guy just cause a headache. They made out of mud. At this point, the authorities put together who Frank was the man who escaped from Pentridge stockade, the man released from cockatoo island. The man, they gave bail to lambing flat is all the same guy he was calling himself Frank card. So Franklin recovered in a cave for a couple of months, a couple of months, see a Flintstone. Had been shot still two months at a cave. Your fucking push renter. Okay. Vacation. Fuck you guys. It was not bad was not good. But it was not bad. He knew if he was ever caught that he'd be hanged. So he decided to just become a full-time Bush writer, which is what kind of already was. Now I'm gonna go pro now. Back myself. Killed people just showed a Cup. I lived in a cave think I'm fucking guys wrapping occupation around this. Let me back into Buri. Another goal field open up north of lambing flat, which meant more money is going to be on the road. So he robbed mail coaches and the newspapers liked his style. At least media's consistent. He didn't mess with women. And he said, good day when he left after robbing people. That's nice. That's sweet good day to you, what data to furious. But you are gentlemen, you really sweet. Sweet. Between between the shootout at the house and has robberies. He become a celebrity Brank Gardner was now the most famous man in New South Wales early in eighteen sixty to put together a gang with Johnny Gilbert, and went robbery crazy on the road between lambing flat and Lachlan. Okay. Order up. Guess wanna beer? It's cool. Alive on this use your teeth, tough guy. Don't you don't you tough? You do squats or whatever I see Instagram's dead lifts. Let's using your legs and you go back, not your fucking taste to open a bottle. So I was saying, Australia skipping tape diet. Got me. Come out five more day, five. Push it. Teeth are gonna look fat baby. Lifted. So reporter, quote, surrounding roads are so infested by Bush Rangers that people quite looked to be stopped. A man of the name of Gardner is the hero. He is described to me, as a tall, fine looking man, and conducting business and a quiet and rather gentlemanly manner, because he said, good day, people like as I class act good lady, he doesn't mess with the ladies. He's so smoothies, bullets Melania math. Shot my chatty husband of the mouth, and I've never been happier. So this crime the police organized up until now now at bene- thrown together collection of local police forces, they were to be disbanded and the quote new police were to be launched now centrally controlled and Sydney. There are better equipped militarily trained in operated like the British controlled Irish constable airy whom he Irish hated. So they had nightsticks that they just spun around. That's kind of the organization. Yep. And they hit a little drunk is on the head right? Yeah. They used to be pretty shitty cups knee bone. But watch because now we've got really good ones fuck Niger's away. Be committing crimes. Two reasons for the new force, where the lambing flat riots, and the rise of Bush ranging, the cops came from the upper crust of society, you had to be a proper sort of chap to head the force at the Lachlan Gulf fields or Frederick Pottinger was chosen. He was a barren net. What? Deep voice. Yeah. A Baronet is the lowest if that's what you caught Barron's him. I got a bunch of. We're gonna eat big tonight, boys. What are you doing suckers? Greg their heads. That's a good meat is. Too soon. I don't know what's happening. I mean, the king Queen her hair, whatever. So there's no, no. It's Harry and Meghan. It feels like it, though. Gut that's just been a whirlwind just stuck to the TV the whole time him in those Chino's. It's just like, yes, finally, and it rained and I think they brought it I really do. I really feel like Megan. Harry brought the rain. Oh, dave. I'm crazy. Because I'm the only one here watching the footage of these to the royals among royals. I mean, honestly could they be a better couple? She looked down to earth. She's like, that's the kind of prints, he's a Disney Princess. It's just a just a beautiful story and they're here and my God. It's always talk about. Imagine something serious happening in the world. Well, thank God. It's not to people from a made up Royal family. They're not made up their, the real king and Queen spawns. They were made from two to people who are better than other people because a long time ago they won. They made babies and now the babies are here, our walk Dave stop. I'm not going to be able to these guys all these guys all their servants or whatever. I'll explain like I did about mon- family situation. Sure. Once upon a time king. Donna come. Come in. Got a little crown on his pecker do. I shall night. You. Just the foreskin, but cut triangles into it. So it looks. Heavy is the head. Old on the digital king this coming out of his came. Who? Prince in the. King have comma. Hey give the old one gun salute. But my bullets Frankie. Royalty should have to do that. Without question. Okay. A Baronet back to right? Sorry. Thirty minutes ago. Say catch Barron's? So the bear nut is a member of the lowest hereditary titled British order with the status of a commoner. But able to use the prefix sir. That's the only upside is that you're allowed to be I think it's like the kind of thing where they're like can we make up something for like a guy who's, like a good gardener? We wanna reward them like there's a like it's like you're commoner, but you get to use sir. But really, that's all you're just like a prick. Yeah. You're like your prick Beran please. But he's like this shitty cousin that no one wants in the family. Okay. Pottinger was born in. India is father was a British hero, who beat the Chinese and the first opium war, and founded Hong Kong. What are we in the fourth opium more right now? That won't be more winning. Yes. Lethargy seems to have set in with the opioid crisis for some reason can't fight. Oh pills. Ponding Ben in the army, but he was more of a socialite he spent years in the spas of Europe with his mother, while this father fought around the world. Okay. So that's, that's if you're if you're a fucking bad ass soldier, and your kids like I spun Italy like you're not happy. Right. Shut up. You baronet. Full. So it's dad died eighteen fifty six and Pottinger inherited a fortune, which you then gambled away, in two years, fucking, great two years. Live in the life for those two years worth. It. So many gambling debts. He had a fleet England for the Austrian Goldfields anti changed changed his name to f w Parker. Okay. He had no luck in the goal field. So he became a cop, and then his mom sentinel letter telling him that he was a Baronet, which he did not know. So he went back to his old name, and then was rapidly promoted from trooper to top ranking officer eighteen months. Right. Just because of the bear had had in the Gulf fields because he'd fallen some and then it's back in the river and how to win. Another three. Come on. Go, no. Man, I'm cold today. So as job. Was to put an end to Frank's gang gang. And he wanted to do this to redeem his family name, which he had destroyed. The comeback story around the same time ponding, I was appointed Frank hat run in with one of the leaders of the lambing flat riots. James Torpey Torpey was a pub owner who got the riot going with racist rhetoric against the Chinese and he became the face of the movement movement to expel Chinese from Australia. You definitely want your face on stuff like that respect for sure. So that was a woman like that now from coins land. Larry. It'd be shocking. Your Trump has a China. So does ours Mike Pence? I'm gonna grab myself by the pussy. Congrats on that white vote though, that was pretty cool. All right. You can't let us not drink in here and then side bad stuff about. Damn. So Torpey thought a lot of himself. He and another man, we're headed to Gibson station when they heard that they were Bush Rangers there. Of the two Torpey was the only one who had a gun so naturally, he said, they should go take care of the Bush Rangers as soon as they walked into the station. Frank turned looked at them and ask them for money. Torpey quote trembled like an Aspen, leaf the color of his face the left his face. And he said, quote, what does it? I'm torpey. I'm president of the diggers league. Oh my God. He's just a little baby. Store. Shit. Torp. He seemed to think that him saying that he was president of the diggers league with frightened. Frank digger leader. So Torpey care. What was your question? Sounds like he was. So scared go. I I'm told me I'm the president of the dick Isley nervous here. I go and. So Frank didn't give a shit. He was just discussed. It was just disgusted. Learn that Torpey only a few shillings on them. So Frank looked outside at Tarpley's nice bridle, and saddle and said gonna take those. Okay. I'm p. Do you think Torpey type Torpey you do it? Torpey said, no. And Frank said, okay. I'm gonna take the horse also. Frank was so not afraid of Torpey that he just turned his back to him even though Torpey out a gun, and then Frank and Frank said, hey look, if you want to keep your horse, which is now mind, you have to give me five pounds. So he's telling me as a by by your horse that I just stole without touching. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. So Torpey went around the station, borrowing money. Hey, I'm tour. Pecan. I've some money. I got guy robbed my horse intellectual property. Torpedoed the name. Who? So he got caught the money. Okay. Thanks guys. Went to the puppies. Come on Toby tour. And he gave it to Frank torpedo kit accent. Now the prices gone up to ten pounds. Okay. I'll be right back, buddy. Sars Torpey here. Sorry, Frank inflation, brutal took too long. So Torpey went around and Bod money. So Torpey the price went up. Torbay and he gave the ten pounds of Frank and then Frank bit them. Good day left gentleman. Yeah. And that's turns around and goes and that's how we do it. He fell right into my little trip. Who still owns his own this guy's ten way or whatever the currency is pound. Not. The next day tarp told troopers what had happened, and they all wrote together to a station Frank was known to frequent torpedo cry. You're so rude. The Muniz guy just say your main even you know it's not in but laughed at him very lab. Fuck. Oh my God. The biggest Lefter we he didn't touch your horse. Well he didn't you double that prize. Torpedo, but you gave him money to not take your horse, even though he had never taken your order. No, no, no, no. I bought it back. Also Cup with a gun. Yeah. I of course I had a gun. I'm a cop. He was so rude. He's like, I'm like, well, I don't want to anyone get hurt you know, on account, a, you know, the money then bought it back, you know. So I feel like you know, I Toby gives you fucking lunch money. Okay. For sure. You guys. Let me give my shirt my pants. This again tour. What are you gonna win door be on? Boy. I told you my name right. It's twirl. Yeah, I did. I remember it's Torpey your new. It's Torpey high money to take all of it. Thank you. Sorry horse. Yeah. Yeah. Get it all pay top dollar. Get it back. Oh, yeah. Win. It's amazing. How you lost your fortune might say. Well, I had to buy my horse eight hundred times people kept stealing it in. Electorally torpey. With an excellent grounds. Torpey. Oh, it's a wise. Yeah. Well. Jio RPI. Why? Because I'll give you all my money. So I like to say, oh, man. I'm again, Torpey when are you going to get a break? So I always wanted to dance. Sort of what I felt my calling was. But anyway, you guys are my best friend. Can give you lessons Topi. Sure it'd be ause pound. Yeah. Let me give you fifteen. That would be better. Yeah. Oh, boy, this is my best friend dancing. Oh boy. How do I have more pissing? So they rode to the station that Frank was not a frequent. And they saw Franks horse tied to a tree and quickly ran into the house. One of the troopers stabbed a random guy who was just standing there, probably just get fought up. I say. Show told me he's a bit fidgety. It's topping that let's get to. Get to hear about the Torpey does. The fella stab me. He deserves it. It's the cops. Better. Good. Of these Katcha, why the other just like that. God that used to shoot around the cou-. What a fuck at Amazon, what rookie pace, shed. Have somebody stab? Immediate stab. And all of a sudden fall out. Yeah. Yeah. They're all like a little charged up. Do you really do? That's not how this works. Entity three. Let's go. Who is he plays a criminal? I own this place. This is my how it's a lovely home. So is this the first of good cop bad? It's good cop stab com. That's a Scott, I show. So the Frank GIS slipped out the back door anyone ever gonna hit behind a tree. And then the cops for about fifty yards away. Just start shooting at Frank. They all miss, and then Frank stands up, and he's got a gun in each hand, and he's walking towards the cops women are screaming. Coach passengers are running for the house. The station owners wife couple of cops went in the house and the station owners wife hid the troopers in her bedroom. And as Frank approach Torpey fell through a window. Boil. Sorry about your curtains, real club as he tour the name, how much money do you need? It's all I have stepped me. This is a life couldn't for you cope up. Well, what are you said it was her? I thought he'd been jump through the window. Did all over is curtains boy. Frank just walked past everybody got on his horse. Jump defense wrote won the day again. Yeah. Now Frank was not happy with the coverage of his adventures in. Shit asking the pipe. This is kind of look good, and the burn gong newsp- minor paper. They reported. He stole a man's boots. Well he was probably fucking. He wrote a letter to the editor, quote, the man who took the boots was in my company, and for doing so I just charged him the following day as for Mr. Torpey. He is a perfect coward after spared his life, he fell out of the window. He almost died, and he fired at me as I wrote away. But I hope that Mr. Torpey and I are not done just yet until we balance accounts properly. Oh, Torpey reading that he's like, oh, no. Our counts. Provokingly P. Oh boy. He's gone for the immediate rematch. Yeah. Greg right away. Oh boy Gardner Torpey too. Want to be involved in that. Oh, no. Fell into the toilet. They're real clumsy by. Frank also went after the police saying he went to a gambling house and three. The troopers were asleep at the revolvers carbines sitting in another room. And he signed the letter, quote fearing nothing. I remain prince of Toby Mun Francis Gardner, the highwayman that's how I'm ending emails from now on. Without question. Frank was at a peak flamboyance. His gang was robbing at will. And he was always the head of the cops during one robbery he wore a cabbage. Tree hat tight breeches knee-high boots and a leopard skin lined poncho. Let's on span of the Selva bitcoin. The hat cabbage. The had is made of cabbage. He's just like the jelly, green giant. It's not made of cabbage. Is it? Palm tree. But he's wearing a palm tree as a hat. No, it's called a. It's called the cabbage tree hat, but it's not cabbage. It's pom pom. And they can like you know. You know, like a crazy look. Pretty common back then. Right. Sure. You make it yourself like that's what the guys who the explorers would do. They would fucking make a hat when they're out there. This. This. All right. Look, I had to read a lot of fucking history. No, it sounds like a doll collection, though. Like the cabbage tree kits? A lot of people working to don't make fun of hats. What year is this is not the kind of people we are. Take them very seriously. Look your podcast, the hat talk. You guys. It's like offensive like my family bakes hats, so you guys could lay off that too. Near the town of one bat. All right. His gang stopped. A mister hustling we about to meet one Batman? He stopped Mr. hospital and Mr. Hewitt and took their goal and money. Eight hundred pounds Hocine tin new Frank because he been butcher with fog. It's spring creek and new, Frank very well, because Frank would come in all the time, but he still has money anyway. And then writing off. Frank said, quote, I hope you'll have another load for me. Next time you see me come along, what it's not sugar from a neighbor Frank during another Aubrey. He took a quote, handsome shawl valued at nineteen pounds. He quote immediately converted it into a saddle cloth as a treat to his favourite horse. Nice. And Mr. Princeton is that the first pin rod. I love what you've done with them, unbelievable at Mr. pring station. The gang took over for day quote. One of the Bush Rangers played piano, while the rest danced and drank brandy at Mr. pring's expense. I mean, they're getting real cocky. Later that day they struck up they stuck up squatters home and the Bush ranger played concertina and saying ever of the to the host. So if you're getting robbed, and it's a musically. You're like what the hell is going on? That would annoy me more thing. Yeah, they give you money. And you'll go also play Costa guitar just talking to have the money might wanna yourself. You. You sound like a pro jam. No just take my money, come on. You want to hear yellow Coldplay. Do this. Frank caught the eye of the young attractive, married woman named Catherine Brown known as kitty. She the bright in the middle of Franks territory, on a family farm and Franken. Kitty started having an affair which led to a crime wave in the area around the farm weirdo that happen. It's coming right from around this area. Her husband, John Brown, manage, the farm Pottinger plotted to get Frank. He talked his superiors into allowing the police to wear street clothes instead of their military style uniform, we've cover you cover the big problem with the uniform was that it included wearing a sword, which clanked loudly as the police rose. So everyone knew they were coming. Thanks. Bye. This isn't working. Siren. Once paced himself. The other one's got no frontier. We know you too. Pottinger employed. Aboriginal trackers, their skills were extrordinary. But frankly, Frank, the, the Lachlan minor wrote, quote, he robs us place, as they left Forbes the very man they had gone out to hunt down. Pass them by took their measure and sauntered into the town of Forbes to enjoy himself patronizing, the standard in the exhibition taking his quiet liquor and studying Email, and Ye customs of e four bites in Ye inspectors absence. He's written at drunk. He's written. But he did the same thing and he robs somewhere, then he went into the town that they were coming. They just passed him by just just like nobody would hang around, what's going to go past us would be crazy. So there's only eight hundred police in New South Wales, four hundred of which are in Sydney. So potting district is half half the size of England. Forest, there's no roads and the Bush Rangers knew the area. They have this port of the people had the best horses that the best and most weapons as this Trump saying this, the best, nobody's got better weapons. Some people are saying, we've got the best weapons ever. I don't know. I would never say that. But putting efforts were starting to make a difference. Franken see the writing on the wall, and he knew what end planned one big last job. And then he was going to escape with kitty always the one last job. Yeah. In the first week of April that year it was reported the paper that the Lachlan gold escort was carrying eight thousand three hundred seventy ounces of gold. Hopefully, they just put that in the paper, I mean it is like just like a wishlist for interesting. Rub the shit out of them right my crazy. The Frank times paper just for me. Seventy eight thousand three and seven ounces about the way Andre the giant. Well, you've really done it with that system. And now I'm on board with whatever fuck metric you should Andre the giant entre. Andres is, it's four Andres O, we're end, we'll take it. I'm going to give you an Eddie Guerrero, cut. I'm gonna give you a RIC flair pace of the thing. I only use. To measure how much it was an Andre the giant, this is an ultimate warrior, maybe a HOGAN. You thought you had time to sit. But there was like eight clapping. You're like, oh, this is going to catch fire a month later announced seven thousand ounces were carried by the escort. So each make a Sydney newspaper was publishing articles, bragging about how much gold escorts carried the gold escorts guarded by armed police moved as quickly as possible. They had not been robbed by Bush Rangers in New South Wales the last time, and that's court was rob was in Victoria, nine years before. So Frank plan to military style ambush with Johnny Gilbert, he put together a team of barman and farmers. It was easy to convince them when they heard how much money they could make their names were Ben hall. Johnno mealy, Dan charters, Henry man's Alexander, four dice and John Bowe. Frank pick the spot the Bush, the road was hemmed in on three sides by steep, gully, and impassable creek and an array of large granite boulders on the fifteenth, June eighteen sixty two of the gang stop to. Keto carts horse cart, and forced to barricade the road, and about four pm the escort arrived in went right into the trap Frank stepped out on Yale bail up. The police started shooting. The cop sitting with the driver was shot through the ribs in the coach cop was hit by shotgun pellet in his testicles. Surely it didn't break the scrotum. Man. My ribs. You got a good. Oh my God. It looks like I'm a king. One con cop opened the coach door and just ran off. Good police work, the other one helped the screaming guy who had been shot in the testicle that guy must've just been nonstop. Drivers stood up and said, quote, for God's sakes. Don't shoot me there's a rumor was that the driver was in on it. He was not shot Frank yelled fire, and everyone blasted their shotguns missing everything, but spooking the horses, which CLYDE it with large rocks causing the car to tip over one call to cows in the trees are like. Stanton. Mood. Quit doing that. One come out and hit his head. So it's over the Bush Rangers celebrated two thousand seven hundred nineteen ounces of gold and thirty seven hundred pounds how many Andre the giants. So it's like half onto the giant. It's not a lotta unders. They wrote off, no one at died, and it was by far the biggest robbery, New South Wales history over five million dollars worth in today's terms. Out of Forbes. Pottinger. Right. Good job leads. Cat calling money. I don't know if that's how thought shooting a cop nuts. Pretty Bryson five mil. Five nut. That's what that is. Out of Forbes Pottinger started the next day on their trail. He the trail back to Forbes, they'd gone in a big circle along the police, found smash gold boxes of Hugh empty gin bottles. Then rain came in washed away the tracks for over two weeks. Follow the tracks three three five three hundred fifty kilometers before they petered out ponding, turn back at the same time another group of cops we're following difference that attracts and ended up at a we Oko. We literally have a spokesperson for the crowd. Yes. Yes. Correct. So these guys saw horse men going to Ben hall's house, or Smolin horsemen, half horse half humans. Love this and he was with the sitter. Why saw the cops and he took off. He's one of those rubbing singing tops. I'm on acid. So this guy sees the cops he takes off. They kept on the trail and after twenty miles found an exhausted pack horse with fourteen hundred of gold. The police were so close. Frank had to abandon his pack horse. A sergeant Saunderson, who was in charge of the group returned as a hero and promoted, it was actually an aboriginal tracker who led them in deserve the credit, but whatever. Pottinger. A standard Pottinger was still on his way back and happened to see three guys writing, nice new horses. Nice new horses. What model is that is eighteen. Dynamite. How much horsepower? Oh, just one. Okay. Makes sense. He asked to see their receipts. I mean why so rude? Oh, what a nurse. Would you can you prove it horse receipts, Adam? Okay. That was all I had, I don't know. One of them. Spurred his horse and took off. Potting are captured the other two they had a pack horse carrying a quarter of the gold and a lot of cash. The one that got away was, Johnny Gilbert ponding, or sent a message to the telegraph station. At why go Wagga. Well, disagree. To announce the authorities and newspaper that he had captured two of the robbers and recovered a quarter of the gold. He's fucking hero. How much is that one Andre? He didn't know what he did know was that Johnny Gilbert was the guy who had spurred his horse and run away and he wasn't running away. He went and gathered Bush, Rangers and came back and intercepted Potter here. Oh shit. The reruns. They had a shoot out and Gilbert, God his two buddies back, but Pottinger manage to get away with the gold and then he returned to four without the prisoners. He had bragged about catching, and it was humiliated. He was now the poster boy for the failings of the new police. Yeah. Get the job done. The empire newspaper went off, quote, the state of the southwest interior is disgrace to Austrailia civilization, which a saints back then. Really? There is something radically wrong in the whole system that people have no other feeling than abhorrence for the desperados. But nevertheless, they will never Sikora or assist era. Ghent overbearing, and self sufficient officials decked out in military costume. So then Pottinger went fucking ape shit and started arresting everyone any man slightly associated with Frank was grabbed and arrested among the people you arrested were six of the eight escort robbers. Good job. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. If you rest everybody you're going to get some of. Actually now, Jen chart, Dan charters was one of them, and he turned snitch sort of. He said, Ben hall, and John mealy had nothing to do with it, even though they did charters also having an affair with the married women woman. So he named her husband John McGuire as one of the robbers bold. I smooth. How you do it. The choir was put in jail for over a year. Never saw never saw while you ever saw wife again. Oh boy. Cheating us to be dynamic. Bonnier learned of Frank's affair with kitty staked out her house. He was there at three in the morning when Frank road past and shot from five yards away and wrote off. But the gun misfired so furious Pottinger barged in and confronted Kelly. And she admitted having an affair with Frank so Pottinger arrested her teenage brother, who was asleep. Yeah. For sure you gotta go after I was just gonna say, what are they going to arrest? Her sibling? Obvious move. He was held for months with no charges until he contracted typhus and died. Oh shit. One for the team. Frank was interviewed about Pottinger quotes. There was nothing of the coward about him. He's the only man in the police care for the only one that hunts and keeps me moving. In fact, the place is getting too hot for me. I shall try and clear out. Frank got kitty. And they took a ship to Queensland. They opened a pub, general store and a cart business at APIs creek. They went legit. He was so respected. Is that legit? I mean. Mean it's just a life of crime. But now sell rugs. You make great ones. But he was so respected as a businessman the gold escort would stay at his pub and leave their goal than his care overnight. Why do you don't let an alcoholic defend the liquor? Cam. Franken kitty went by Franks original surname Christie, and they live that way for a year and a half until the guy recognized Franken, call the cops to get the reward to detectives went into the store and tackled Frank. He put up little resistance, and he was put on trial for the court robbery, three had already been convicted based on snitch, Dan charters. Testimony was hanged, one was botched. But by now the cops, realized, Dan charters was a liar, and that he was part of the gang and the press called him the approver that he approved of the robbery, not a very good name. Now using. So what did he do approved? No. No, he should not. The nickname times is going under. The cops found three grant at Frank's place, but they couldn't prove it was from a robbery, and they had to give it back. That's a nice Frank sat in court, and slowly counted, the money to make sure it was all there. Oh, this is Bola. Yeah. Sorry, I'm gonna start over because you guys started talking to Christ, by the way, he was still on track. What no start over nothing. One. God. So Frank was acquitted by the jury everyone is delighted all the spectators there. There was a round of applause and waving of hats. Be careful. The prosecution that put Frank on trial for the attempted murder of the two policemen. It reads flat and the robbery of Orson Hewitt. He was found guilty and given thirty two years, which was the death sentence because all the is in the jail, which we know from the teenage kid, who was fucking sleeping like an asshole. Well, he ended up sleeping like an asshole forever. We don't know him. He's not the fuck down. Oh, no, no. Let's not get attached to people that we don't care about from the past. I'd, I'd I. We're just finding out and it's devastating. Just trying to get Kip. So Katie was very sad. And she shot herself on Zealand a couple years later. Fortunately, the bullet. Oh shit. Going to nasty little bump on my chin. Fortunately issue shot herself in the head. Oh, jeez. Whatever your temple. I was trying to commit suicide last night. It didn't take. Eighty five shots. It's like one of those Quin flattening machines. It's pretty cool. That's really stretched out, those are awesome. You should sell those a new calling. So Frank was a model prisoner in prison. He invented a mechanical go contrivance for improving the salvage of the matting manifest finally someone solve that problem did it. And also a loom that could be taken apart and put together easily. That's what people fucking needed. Yeah. Frank sister, waged a campaign to get his release and Henry Parkes was campaigning to become premier of New South Wales. And he was all about prison reform. Any wanted to release prisoners for good behavior who had served a large portion of their sentence, and eighteen seventy four ten years was sentenced. Frank was released from the premier by the new premier Henry parks and the governor, the only condition was that he had to leave Australia. Wow. The release would lead to parks government, falling apart and less than six months. Australians are extremely happy. The citizens of yes, yes. Yes. Held a banquet to celebrate. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Citizens of y'alls held a banquet to celebrate as the town band play toasts were made to Frank chairman Remington, quote, gentlemen, brother robbers. We are now going to drink the toast of the evening to the health of Frank Gardner, alias Frank Christi, etc. Etc. Noble cetera et cetera. Frankie lots of times. That's like a dick, Tracy character. Frank was sent to Newcastle. And then put into a three masted sailing ship. The boat's departure was delayed by a day due to the large crowds gathering to see him how the boat went to Hong Kong, a sixty day journey, but he did not like Hong Kong. So he took a boat to San Francisco. He was interviewed by chronicle reporter, quote Vasquez, the king of Californian benefits pales into insignificance when compared to Frank Gardner, the great ustralian Bush ranger, perhaps of all the Bush Rangers Gardner was the most successful and most popular magnificent. Horseman a brave man. Frank said he wanted to earn an honest living and that he'd turned to Bush ranging because there were no good jobs. Sure. No. Yeah, for sure it was the economy. He's let some money and open a bar today, that site is occupied by Larry flits hustler club. But Frank extended too much credit to his customers lost the bar after a few years, and June eighteen seventy nine it was reported Frank Gardner, was back to robbing this time Mormon pilgrims, on their way to Utah. That's. I'm taking four of your wives to know and give you the gold underwear or whatever they are magic. And of course you can have it. Bob ING Mormons must be real easy, boy, we're awful sorry. We don't have more to give you we're trying hard as we can. One Mormon elder recognized Frank having known him as the keeper of a quote, third rate, slow at San Francisco. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That really shit on. You're going to stay with me for a little while. Oh, no. Apparently, there was no arrest because Frank return to San Francisco and opened another saloon by the docks. So he lost his slow, and he went out and robbed a bunch of people to get your money back. Kickstarter. Every Australian visited the city considered a duty to give Frank a call at his, so he hired a former New South Wales detective as a bar man. One of tequila. Sunrise, I'll get to the bottom of. With grenadine. Doesn't make any sense. Why would he order that? No. I get my drink. Yeah, for sure. My man very pushy. Indeed. A little too pushy. What happened to me last night, shit, the bed and vomited blunt remember is the name Jack Daniels. Have you seen him around here? So. That detective was one of the two men who had captured Franken queens. Awkward the detective quit the police after only receiving a fifteen pound reward for capturing Frank and then being accused of being Finian after the Duke of Edinburgh was shot and Sydney. That's a loaded. Being Finian lock going on there. Franks health was never a great after prison, and he was a heavy drinker, described as quote, groggy, blossomed. I knew that's what I'm going to call a hangover from now. Love to get pancakes. I am severely grog blah. No. What happened last night? He scoured New South Wales newspapers. When they came in he lost his second bar and some timber eighteen eighty eight again for extending too much credit to customers time to rob. Some morons eighteen eighty two. Eighteen eighty so in March eighteen eighty two the former magistrate who had sent to cops to fog's house ran into Frank on the street as you do in San Francisco. Yeah. What are the odds is cry? Weird. Oh. Your hungry. What do you need? I'm not feeding you. I don't know. You. Yawning screaming and crying. I don't know what's happening over here. Never told you, you sound like a seal. Oh, I think he wants us to throw fish at them they'd love that. Oh seal boy. That's what we'll call you. Yeah. Go me feed you fish, your seal? Boy. Yeah. Okay. There you go. You got a better attitude seal. Boy there. It is spin this ball on your nose. Look at that. Good boy, good. Boy. No, you're good. Boy. Aw. Someone's learning to enunciate. Yeah. No. Look at you. There it is. Let's jump him. So he sees this guy on the street and Frank told him. He had been sleeping outside for six months on the war anywhere else. He could find shelter in August eighteen eighty to a mail ship arrived Austrailia from San Francisco. The passengers reported that Franken died, a Popper inmate and San Francisco hospital. He'd recently quote, sank very low and lived by bumming on the benevolent. Okay. These story of Frank guard shit. It's weird. When I think he, he was the first Bush ranger. I think is what they said. But I think that's weird to root for him. No wait. No, that's not gonna love Bush Ryan. History. I'm always rooting for criminals. They're just more fun. But there as long as they're not just fucking killing tons of people. He made bullets that were weak. So did a problem with laser tag? It was the first laser tag. Ended up opening rob Mormons and opened a laser tag. He opened up a laser tag in Fresno. Nobody knows. The wrong one one person might know what Fresno is here met. It's me is over there. Running for the shitty shitty place. Unless you're listening, then in year in Fresno, then it's great. Your town has no in it. What? I think for twenty five minutes. While I'm sorry for what happened here. Apologize. Really, you know, when you think about that time in that lifestyle it makes four and a half hour, delays seem not like a huge plight. That's right. Be reading from a script. That's right. That's right. That's right. I'm just I'm just sad that he did the end still be still around. I think. Everybody has to die, if they're born in eighteen hundreds. Got some oppose it if thinking. Yeah. I think with that attitude you're going to die. Got to be so much. Did they still arise opening biff bar? He's the wolf of all strike high land on his face. Fucking lived hard, man. He had some good years that Leah. Jim blossoming whatever it's called Krog rowdy Artie, forget your new slogan. Very easy for me. David. Blossom, did he live for in the sixties? I think it was just under sixty was born in twenty. Looks like it was sixty sixty years. That's fucking incredib- rate, sixty years. Right. Sixty sixty you didn't live that long back then. So that's kind of an average. Yeah, there wasn't even sunscreen. And he was a Bush Ryan astrology. Live to sixty. Screen that's two hundred forty adjust for what he pulled off. So ups. Sunscreen when I was, I was research, a story once and I was like, oh, I would have died because I'm so white, and then I looked it up and they would just cover themselves in mud. Oh, that was unscreened. That's frowned upon. Certainly an interesting. Fun with the cops, but that's fucking inappropriate, you've done there. Well, he's about five eight one hundred and eighty pounds made a mud swamp. Creature believed man comes with the swamp. So that's what you've done. You just cover yourself a mud. We covered each other in mud. Dave do my back. That'd be us. Hit my back. Dave. Come on. My shoulders will get bad. Come on mud me. Come on anything, put it on my front and then I'll jump on your back mud your back. Right. You know. Mud broS mud. Mates mode Brose coming up Tuesday's on ABC. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for coming out, give it up for Nick, Cody. Thank you, guys, so much. We really appreciate the fuck out of it. No joke. Thank you.

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New Rules for Getting a Job During the Coronavirus Pandemic

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New Rules for Getting a Job During the Coronavirus Pandemic

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Referrals also needs to be flexible and be realistic about location. There are many companies would work from home policies right now that it's constantly changing. You must also be prepared for a completely virtual interview process. Catherine dill reporter at the Wall Street Journal during this, how to get a job in the COVID era. Next, we'll tell you what enabled the CBD crazed to take root in America right now, CBD can be found in products all over posting some kind of health benefits from pain management to treating anxiety and inflammation. But in two thousand eleven rag tag group of doctors, activists, and writers met on a marijuana farm to think of a way to market. CD. was featured on Discovery Channel's wars and the subject of a CNN special touting its benefits in treating epilepsy. Senator. Mitch. McConnell of all people even had a hand in making hemp and CV. Legal. AMANDA CHICAGO LOUIS CONTRIBUTOR TO THE NEW YORK. Times joins US how the CBP craze got started. It's music without the noise. Let's dive in. That, they need to be prepared for things like an entirely virtual interview potentially on boarding process getting ready to really slice and dice which parts of an industry they should be focusing their search on. It's a tough time for job seekers, but there are reasons to be optimistic. Catherine dill reporter at the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for joining us. Kathryn. Thanks for having me. Since the pandemic hit the US there's been millions and millions of jobs lost the economy is not doing too well in that regard, there's just as many people on unemployment receiving unemployment benefits but there are some industries. There are people that are still hiring and Catherine article about the new rules for landing job in the cove. Ariza wanted to take a look at some of that Catherine what do we know about some new rules on how to do this? Well, we know that we're looking at a time where the playbook that job seekers look has sort of been thrown out the window you know we're seeing in some ways of needs to dig way into the things that we always tell job seekers you know networking is really important articulating your goals. All of that has become paramount beyond that they need to be prepared for things like an entirely virtual interview and potentially on boarding process getting. Ready to really slice and dice which parts of an industry they should be focusing their search on. It's a tough time for job seekers but there are some reasons to be optimistic. Let's start picking these apart a little bit networking obviously everybody knows you should always be networking, but it's more important than ever. You were talking to some people at linked in and they said that more people are finding jobs through referrals a now more than ever. Applicants on their platform are three times as likely to get a job at a company where they have a connection and you know we all the time people hire people but especially in a downturn that really becomes the name of the game and so for a lot of people that means rethinking your network, it means getting back touch with people. You maybe worked with two jobs ago and catching up. With them for younger people for entry level workers, it might mean thinking about who have you done volunteer work with who have you taken classes with you really have to look broadly across your network at who you might want to reconnect with and consider that you know they might not be able to hire you. But getting back in touch with them and catching up might lead you know it might trigger. Somebody who they've heard is looking for someone with your skill set and so really taking a new I to your network it's going to be essential and important note I think that you put in your article when you are reconnecting with somebody say just kind of putting the feelers out there try not to be frustrated in cranking impatient with those people like you said, they might not be able to hire you but they can lead you somewhere and and if you just lost a job in your frustrated, take a step back so that you don't come across negatively definitely you know it's totally understandable. I mean nobody wants to be the person reminding somebody who's just been. Laid off from their jobs, please be patient become like you're building your rents aren't usually being patient with you. So it's totally understandable. Feel this way but you do want to think about impression that you're giving an awesome. That's just as simple as taking time to reread your messages, take a step back, take a ten minute break come back and look at your message again just make sure that you're you know you're presenting the best version of yourself that you would want somebody to come across, and also there's you know everyone we spoke with noted an uptick an empathy right now among people hiring among people networking everybody understands what's going on and they want to help. The. Next one here be flexible and realistic about location. There's been a ton of increases in jobs that you can do remotely they're not always one hundred percent remote jobs sometimes You know there's a percentage that you might start remotely, and then as this as things get better with the pandemic, you'll go back to work up but that's important to take into account because you know you can't live one hundred miles away from your job if you're eventually going to have to go back. Right the key here is just to be really really clear we are seeing companies are hiring. Showing really increase flexibility around us they need talent and that talent might they know that that talent might need to move to where a family member can provide childcare or where a partner is GonNa have an easier time finding work like we are seeing more flexibility for companies but you are want to be really upfront know just because you're one hundred percent remote right now and for the foreseeable future, you still guarantee that that job is one hundred percent remote and that they won't expect you to be in Santa, fe, on a given day when you to me this next one might be the most important thing to be prepared for a one hundred percent virtual interview process. Step foot in the door until you've gone through this step and you know you have to do a lot of things to be prepared to stand out, maybe do a test call to make sure you look the best you possibly can. Definitely make sure your tech is working certainly you know practice maybe with a friend the day before your interview, you know we recommend dress as you would dress to go an in person interview. You know now is not the time just because you're in your living room maybe to wear a sweatshirt the interview but then also you need to be cognizant of things like you have to bring a higher level of energy to zoom interview than you would if you're in a room with somebody and picking up on lots of subtle cues and we had somebody who actually was laid off. And landed a job again earlier this summer mentioned that he had gone through his resume and figured out ut up some anecdotes that illustrated experiences he had had so that he wasn't just a video interview like going through the bullets of his resume, he had a way of really bringing his experience. So life for the people on the other end, you gotta stand out more than ever on these and the last question for this is you have to zero in on who is hiring obviously there's all sorts of industries are up in down right now. But where are people hiring the most? We are seeing that healthcare retail and food service are the ones that have the most job openings in the US at the beginning of August finance insurance construction, real estate services not as much. But an important thing to really think about is that there's a great deal of variation of performance even within an industry. So intact, for example, which is doing better than a lot of other industries if you are a company. That's a startup focused on business travel. You're probably having a really tough time right now but if you're a company that's focused on ECOMMERCE delivery, a lot of those services, you're probably really hiring a lot and struggling to even make capacity. 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Times. Thanks for joining. Amanda. Here, wanted to talk about one of the hidden origin stories of the CBD craze. You know CBD is everywhere in everything right now it's kind of this magical elixir that people talk about you know it's good for pain good for anxiety good for pretty much everything and I love the way you put it in the article the CD compounds reputation right now is a microcosm of what it means to be in America you. Know something that a lot of people consider a hoax and that others praise as the solution to everything and it's totally true because people are you know all over on the spectrum when it comes to cbd in a lot of ways it kind of got its start at least the craze of this got its start in twenty eleven with a group of people ready to start telling everyone about all the benefits. Yeah. you know. It's the chemical compound that's found in the cannabis plant. So it's been around forever. You know scientists I isolated it in about nineteen forty. We had a good idea of what maybe it could do by the nineteen seventies, but you know cannabis is still federally illegal. So it was really hard to do research. It was really hard to even test to the cannabis around the United States and find out what compounds were in it and So. It remains this really big mystery for a long time. It's funny to hear also that you mentioned TVD is and everything because another aspect of article is trying to alert people to the fact that even though is often written on the label products or or restaurant or juice bar a coffee place might say we can give you a little bit of CD, interest whatever you ordered a lot of that is not actually CBD Basically, just nothing or is significantly less BBB and what's written on the label, and the reason for that really has to do with this hypocrisy from the federal government on cannabis really bad oversight on the industry and Yeah I mean like, FDA testing and really good testing has shown that the over the counter CD products very rarely have actual phoebe in it, which makes a lot of people think that the whole thing is a scam or A. Placebo, right. Exactly. That's exactly where we are with the thinking of this. There's been so little real research into it because of the laws that we can't come to a determination about what it really does something with THC a lot of research that shows there's a lot of promise there. But because of the laws we can't do fully federally funded researches things like that. That would really help us kind of make a final determination. Let's say. So take us back to twenty eleven and tell us how this group of people that were researching and looking into it. We're ready to start telling people about it. It's really hard with something like this to pinpoint FIC- origin moment twenty eleven. In the story I summarize a summit of ten to twelve crucial figures in spreading CD around the world around the country who happened all be in one room at one time having the conversation. Of Todd, we get people interested in V D, How do we get more farmers growing strains that have CD? How do we get pot shops to sell CV products and how do we like understand better? What this content can do without going through the formal research channels of the government because the government keeps sort of turning down so you know this was a rag tag crew and I think maybe the most interesting person and the most influential person who is there was this Guy Fred Gardner is a writer who was really involved in the antiwar activism of the nineteen sixties and seventies you went to Harvard really. Brilliant. Guy. Lives in Oakland and was sort of self publishing a newspaper about the medical marijuana movement. He was one of the people who was around the medical marijuana movement in California but also going to these scientific symposium these like research meet up mostly in Europe that were happening around pharmaceutical companies and academic folks who were looking into kind of on the molecular side and so you know there's this very small group of people that. Going from between these two worlds, deep science world, and then really the activism you know verging on criminality world of cannabis in California, and frank. Gardner and was very influential finger who's going between those worlds in the nineties and in the office, and you know really pushed very hard to be able to track down plants that had CB and then really wanted people to to try it and wanted it to spread. You know change. People's understanding of what the cannabis plant was capable of in order to get good medicine to people who need it He had really altruistic intentions and you know he he he did in a certain way inspired me to write the story because you know what what actually ended up happening. In terms of this weird you know profiteering oriented industry where is well regulated and there's fake CD for sale everywhere people really think it's a scam and it it didn't turn out exactly the way he wanted to or the other activists wanted to but whatever planner course of action that they were. Initially trying to accomplish getting people to know more about CBD I. Mean They did succeed in that front because here we are, and you know it really is a craze. The industry is estimated to be worth sixteen, billion dollars by twenty, twenty, five and sales have grown. You know during the pandemic as people have been at home and you needed things to cope with all of this tell us about the plant and getting the right. Ratio I. Guess of CBD to Thc because some of the studies have shown that CBD. Is the most effective when it's paired with at least some thc. CNN. And you had mentioned how you know a lot of the stuff that people get out there has very little to none very little to no CBD in actual products that they're selling. Right right. So you know I mean there's so many different layers of what you're talking about here I. You know there's over the counter CD products are basically the things that you can't trust. You don't know what's actually in it. There's no oversight if you're buying something that has some THC in it means you're probably a state licensed marijuana dispensary which has. Much higher standards than stuff that you're GonNa, find you at a Bodega at a health food store or online in terms of what CBD is actually in the product, and so you know at most marijuana dispensary, you can find a big variety of ratios in terms of cdn teach the Do we have excellent research on which ratios work best for which these? In human beings, we don't. We don't have Richard around that yet because again, the research and humans is really hard to do but we do have is we have just as an example, some research from this pharmaceutical company in the UK called GW pharmaceuticals they have a drug called Saddleback, which is one to one CD to teach C- and on the research the research they did in human beings in the late nineties and early. you know they found that some people responded well to CBD by itself but most people don't the most benefit from an equal mix of the CDN THC and fly they created saddleback. It's been approved in over thirty countries. It hasn't been approved in the United States what the United States has approved is. Accountable drugs that is ninety percent CBD. So you know there's some conspiracy theories around this. It's hard to really pinpoint exactly what happened but it does really seem like the federal government you know refused to approve a drug that involved ath see at all. So let's move on to how people in the mainstream really started noticing it a little bit more in a back in two thousand eleven. It was on an episode of Discovery, channel's weed wars where a child with epilepsy was using it same thing kind of on CNN Dr Sanjay Gupta profiled a girl in Colorado who was using CBD to treat epilepsy and then even. Like the most curious of all people Senator Mitch McConnell helped fast track the cultivation of this in some of the farm bills that were going around in two, thousand, Fourteen, twenty, eighteen basil basically legalizing hemp and. Kind of included in that people started a making a more a at least growing more plants would see it. Yeah. No I think Mitch McConnell's role is something that most people haven't heard of that. I find very interesting essentially and more people are becoming aware of CD and I'm CB cannabis was starting to spread around the country like once you could buy seeds and you could buy cloned like small plants that you could grow. You know it becomes available to more people and the tobacco farmers in Kentucky Tobacco is not doing very well as an industry has been on the decline for a long time they were looking for a new crop and actually before people knew about cbd those tobacco farmers were saying, well, what about industrial him not for pharmaceutical reasons not for. CBD really they just wanted industrial hemp for you know textiles or installation or things like that and so they pushed for industrial ham right around the moment that she became a thing and Mitch McConnell you know he's beholden to the folks who elect him in Kentucky and you said all right. Well, if these people one hamlets gives them have them. So He created this pilot program in two thousand fourteen that was supposed to be for research but in reality just enabled CB production, and in twenty eighteen at the very end of the year passed a farm bill that legalized ten you know it really all comes back to this. Totally. Nonsense. Illogical designation on the federal level that cannabis and teach in particular has no accepted medical use which is not reality Amanda Chicago Louis Contributor to the New York. Times thank you very much for joining us. How Bay to talk to you guys. That's it. For today. Join US on social media. Potter and both twitter and Instagram. Comment give us a rating. You tell us the stories that you're interested in. All of us on iheartradio or subscribe wherever you get your podcast. This episode of the team, the divers produced by to right an engineered by Tony and Tina. I'm Oscar Ramirez and this was your daily died. 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Trump Ally Roger Stone sentenced to prison.

Global News Podcast

31:02 min | 1 year ago

Trump Ally Roger Stone sentenced to prison.

"This is a global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Janette Jalil and in the early hours of Friday. The twenty first of February. These are our main stories president. Trump's former advisor stone has been sentenced to forty months in prison for lying to Congress. The German President Calls for national unity following an attack by a far-right extremist left. Nine people dead and the US and Britain blame Russia for huge cyber attack on the former Soviet republic of Georgia. Also in this podcast. Turkish troops again clashed with Syrian government forces. A day of the President Erdman threatened to launch a major incursion. And the more Jinju drink. The better is for the planet. Scientists say they've managed to produce the world's first climate positive Jin from Garden Roger Stone One of Donald Trump's oldest friends has been sentenced to forty months in jail lying to Congress but despite this the US president continues to insist the political insider is innocent. Stone was also found guilty of obstructing investigation into Russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election and tampering with a witness stones. Lawyers say they intend to appeal their speculation that Mr trump could issue a presidential. Pardon for now. He says he believes his friend has a good chance of being cleared. What happened to him is unbelievable? They say he lied but other people lied to. But I'm not GONNA do anything in terms of the great powers bestowed upon a president of the United States. I want the process to play out because I'd love to see Roger Exonerated and I'd love to see it happen because I personally think he was treated very unfairly stone. Who has worked with Republican presidents dating back to Richard Nixon in the nineteen seventies has called himself a dirty trickster. Amy Berman Jackson. The Judge Sentencing Stone said that his lies were a threat to American democracy. So what was the sentence surprise? Emily Basilan is staff writer for the New York Times magazine. Forty months in prison is a significant sentence. That's three and a half years almost and I think the question here writ large it should be. I think about deterrence. If you're thinking about hiding information the Congress needs for an investigation to someone else. Getting a three and a half year prison sentence seemed to you like a reason not to do that. I think people have different ideas about how long prison sentences should be what seems to me to be significant is that stone is going to prison but the prosecution is honest tad asked for a longer sentence. Yes they had originally asked for seven to nine year sentence and then of course there was a big Hoopla over there seeming withdrawal of that recommendation. Though this morning it seemed like maybe they didn't actually withdraw the recommendation in any case a lot of questions about weather president. Trump's support for Roger Stone spooked the Justice Department out of asking for a longer punishment. And I think there are two questions here. One is the appropriateness of the president appearing to interfere in the Justice Department's process for deciding on a sentencing recommendation rate like a process question that goes to the independence of the Justice Department. The second question is how long stone should really go to prison for and I think you can be concerned about the process and not necessarily think that he had to go to prison for a really long time but the judge was Quite clear in her summing up the Rojas stones lies in. How Woods represented a threat to democracy. Yeah that's a serious set of conclusions from a judge who was paying very close attention and doing her best to manage the trial in the face. We should say of a lot of public criticism including from President Trump. And I think these are serious legal violations and this is a serious conviction to me. Those questions are separate from the idea. That stone needed to go to prison for many years. In order for justice to be served. But I think that is just like a personal assessment. That people make individually about how long they think people should go to jail for but is it likely. The Mr Stone will spend time in prison given it would appear president trump's inclination to pardon him. I mean that is the million dollar question. Trump has made it very clear that he considers this whole trial to be unfair. Even though it's his Justice Department that has carried it out. He is not supporting their efforts in this latest. And you know I think there is a big question about whether he could be concerned about what Roger Stone might say if he got angry about going to. Prison and Roger Stone is a friend of trump's and trump does have this pardon power which we saw him exercise in an extraordinary very discretionary way this week in other cases so you know in the end like he does have the power of the pardon pen any basil and talking to Julian Marshall. The President Frank-walter Steinmeier has appealed to the country to stand united against hatred. Racism and violence. Has He attended a vigil for the victims of the deadly far-right attack in Hanau. His condemnations were echoed by politicians across the political spectrum. Nine people all of them have immigrant. Background were killed later Wednesday by gunman who had produced a deeply racist manifesto. He was later found dead alongside the body of his mother. Oz Jan Mutlu is a former Green Party politician and CO chair of the German Turkish parliamentary group. He had this reaction to the killings. I don't WanNa feel unsafe in my country. Germany is our home and if people believe they can kill us a kick us out of this country which belongs to all of of us. This is very very dangerous. The bloodshed has plunged Jimmy into morning vigils. Rallies are being held across the country to remember the victims but along with the tears. There's anger and some fair. Here are the thoughts of two people attending a vigil at the Brandenburg Gate in the heart of Berlin. Who isn't I took in Fungus poortere we'll see about by birth but we feel at home in this country. Germany is all country. There is a German saying that goes when I think of Germany in the night then I can go to sleep. That's true especially for us because that's very very terrible. I've lived in Germany for twenty years and I've always felt at home yesterday or today in the morning I felt like a source of tension. The authorities say they're trying to establish whether the attacker had links to any racist groups in Germany or abroad. A security correspondent ranked Gardner repulsive challenges. Germany is facing Nazi salutes banned swastika emblems and even the playing of the host fessel the one time Nazi anthem all have been cropping up. In far right extremist circles as Germany's struggles to contain a growing wave of homegrown extremism. The problem has been particularly acute in but not confined to the former communist east. Germany unemployment there is higher than in the rest of the country and the arrival in two thousand. Fifteen of an estimated one and a half million refugees from the Middle East has been used by far right extremists to stoke ethnic tensions that have been awesome attacks on hostels and this month. German police intercepted a suspected plot to talk at mosques in what was believed to be bid to trigger a cardinal conflict but monitoring fall right extremism is proving to be in some ways. Honda Than Monitoring Jihadists inspired by Islamic state oral tied up unlike the latter there is new unifying ideology goal such as the creation of caliphate instead fall right extremist tend to share only a hatred of foreigners or other religions while many espouse their own individual rambling conspiracy theories. Frank Gardner. His wife has already been charged with murder now. The Prime Minister of the Southern African state of the Ceuta is also expected to be charged in the coming hours with the murder of his estranged former wife. Deep who lay low to Bonnie was shot dead three years ago just days before a husband Thomas to Barney became prime minister correspondent plums. A felony is following developments from Johannesburg in twenty seventeen deeply lobban. Who was at the time? The Prime Minister Thomas. Toubon is estranged. Wife was killed outside her home and at the time. The police blamed unnamed gunman The Prime Minister even commented on the killing describing it as senseless so a lot of people for the past few years have generally believed that. This was a random incident until recently when the police said that they are in fact investigating the prime minister's current wife my Siobhaun who has subsequently been charged with murder and charge of attempted murder. The also said that they considered the prime minister. A person of interest are fast forward to what we expect to happen. Friday is for the prime minister to be presented to the magistrate's Court in the capital. Maseru where he will be formally charged with murder and a separate charge over. Attempted murder of this is in connection with a lady who was with the Prime Minister's estranged wife at the time who managed to survive the shooting. She is a key element in this investigation and she will be testifying against both the Tabanas. I'm what are people making of this in Youtube across Southern Africa? It's been an absolutely incredible story. I mean it's not every day that you hear of a sitting leader being charged of a crime. There was a time where people thought the investigation would be under the carpet especially in the last few weeks when it started emerging that the police were pursuing. The tavon is there was a sense that they would try to find a political solution so people generally pleased that this may be shows that the police system in the country is independent. But also that the judiciary is independent because the first lady has already been charged and she is currently appearing before the courts. And where does this leave? Governance of new to this creates a constitutional crisis because he is currently sitting prime minister. The party are in the process of trying to find somebody succeed him that expected him to tender his resignation. This week they were trying to muscle him ought in anticipation of an opening of parliament. On Friday. Seems that the prime minister though is still holding forty does not want to go but what this does is it. Creates a crisis around who the leader will be. It is going to be not only humiliating for the prime minister to be attending a murder case while being a sitting prime minister but also for the party that elected him. They want to distance themselves from him. They believe he is a sinking ship. And they don't want him to cost them the current power that they enjoy in a two from Zor for Lonnie who will make up the financial shortfall. Now that Britain has left the European Union. Thus a question easy you leaders have been asking for a special summit. In Brussels. There are splits between richer and poorer countries on. Who should pay to fill the gaping hole in EU funding caused by Brexit? Bethany Bell in Australia and Nick Thorpe. In Hungary report in the contrasting points of view at the Cafe de Glass in central Vienna well-heeled Austrians drink coffee tables with marble tops. They live in one of the richest countries in the EU. Austria pays in more to the EU budget than it receives back. It's a net contributor along with states. The Netherlands Sweden and Denmark named the Frugal Group. These countries don't want to pay more into the ease budget Sebastian Australia. Chancellor Tiller says contributions shouldn't go over one percent of grace national income but won't do shit. I too should impotent and put the difference for Austria between one percent and one point free percent per year is one point five billion euros so I'm fighting for every percentage point and there's a new commission proposal for one point one one four percent and were against that we. The net payers would veto that but many of the poorest states including countries in the Baltic southern and Eastern Europe. Don't want to see the aid and development money cut Hungary's Prime Minister Victoria up on objects to the commission's proposals on Fatima. The hotter the basic concept of the budget is not fair. We have to say it is. In fact unfair. Such modifications have been proposed in the budget. Under which money is regrouped. The richer countries rather than to the poor countries Hungary along with of poor countries has benefited hugely from EU funding. The BBC's Nick Thorpe in Budapest says European money has flowed down the Danube. The Hungarians and other East Europeans wants to hang onto every euro. They can standing here on the Daniel Schorr in Budapest. I'm looking across to Chapel Island and the central wastewater treatment plant it. Cost two hundred fifty million euros mostly. Eu TAXPAYERS MONEY EU cohesion funds and money sent home by Hungarians working in the UK. Australia Germany don't just boost economic growth. They have a political bonanza as well as economist Zoltan Pugachev explains if these funds were not arriving into Hungary to growth rate would drastically decrease the popularity of the government would decrease and then who knows whether they could stay in power so there is a case to be made that too large degrees you transfers that are keeping Viktor Orban in power. In Hungary the Austrian political analyst over Nevada says the budget talks a harder than usual. Not just because of the hole left by Brexit but also because the EU has a range of new spending plans it has never happened before that the country has left the European Union and that of course as poetry imprecations at the same time I would say the US given itself quite a comprehensive agenda with many new tasks concerning security issues concerning the economy concerning climate change so that needs more resources available via Sawdust Thailand should pay for this go the words of an old German drinking song while the Frugal Group in the poorest states may squabble over money the big question is what the EU's economic heavyweights. Germany and France will decide to do the now that keeping their cards close to their chests. Those reports from Bethany Bell in Vienna and Nick Thorpe in Budapest. You may not have heard of Larry Tesla who's died at the age of seventy four but if you work in an office you've almost certainly not only used but heavily relied on one of his inventions. He's the creator of the cut copy and paste command many of US use every day. Our Technology correspondent Roy Catlin. Jones looks back at his career. It's something computer and smartphone users do every day highlight some text and either cut it or paste it elsewhere but it is thanks to Larry. Tesla that we can do this. He had come to silicon valley in the nineteen sixties studied at Stanford University and worked as a software engineer at Xerox. And then was poached by Steve Jobs to work at Apple. It was there that he invented both cut copy and paste and the find and replace feature for Apple's Lisa Computer and then the first Macintosh until then computers had been clunky complex and forbidding machines to most people Larry Tesla shared with Apple's founder a passion to make them simpler to use when I met him in twenty twelve. Here's how he described Steve. Jobs able to not only convince you to rally around a great idea. But convince you to rally around a completely unproven idea. That he decided was great and convinced everybody else was great and he was usually not always right after leaving apple. Larry Tesla worked at both Amazon and Yahoo. Where again he focused on improving human interaction with technology another of his former employer xerox paid tribute to him tweeting. Your workday is easier. Thanks to his Revolutionary Ideas Rory Caitlin Jones and the life of Larry Tesla whose revolutionized computing and made many people's. What days much easier still to come in this podcast wearing these are arcane around? Tive when you're at home you're doing outside or potential that places where I don't know where these devices by we hear about a special bracelet designed to switch off any prying Alexis speaker. The head of the World Health Organization has said he's encouraged that the number of curve in Nineteen Corona virus cases outside China remains low but warns. It might not stay that way. Speaking of the clusters of infection reported in South Korea and the first death in the Middle East in Iran Ted. Ross at Honam Gabriel. Seuss warned the world could not afford become complacent. It doesn't mean that this small number of cases in the rest of the world will stay the same for long. It's only a window of opportunity and that's why we say this is the time to attack the virus while it is actually manageable small number of cases in the rest of the world so far more than a thousand people have been infected in twenty six countries outside. China and seven have died as should it? Mazumdar reports the virus is causing concern in nations. Which up until now have not been affected such as Ukraine. Go number only train. Protesters have blocked roads to try to prevent people who've been evacuated from China being quarantined close to their homes. The country's president urged people to show some humanity. The hockey of Regional Governor Alexi Kucher said there was no reason to fear the arrival of evacuees assure city. Lulu all those people seventy three of them will come back to Ukraine. A healthy they underwent checks by the Chinese doctors. Afterwards are doctors who went there also examined them. If the corona virus is not confirmed. We will bring them back. That's why I asked people not to panic. The vast majority of cases still in China where the outbreak appears to have been slowing in recent weeks. The WHO H. O. Reiterated that there was a window of opportunity to attack the virus while it is still manageable but it warned that window might not remain open for long Chillaz. Amanda Britain and the United States have joined Georgia in blaming and condemning Russia. For A LARGE SCALE CYBER ATTACK LAST. October that not thousands of Georgian websites offline and disrupted national television broadcasts at a news conference Georgian for Ministry spokesperson Vladimir Constantinidis said Russian military intelligence known as the GRU had been behind the attempt to undermine Georgia University with the investigation conducted by the Georgian authorities. Together with information gathered through cooperation with partners concluded that this cyberattack was planned and carried out by the main division of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation the Cyberattack was targeted at Georgia's national security and was intended to harm George and citizens and government structures but disrupting paralyzing. The functions of berries organizations thereby causing anxiety among the general public. So how significant is Western intervention of diplomatic correspondent? James Robbins gave me his assessment. This was a a really relatively big cyber attacks the largest on Georgia or not suddenly the first that Russia has been accused of but this had a pretty widespread effect and today the state. Mike Pompeo said that this was designed to sow confusion and discord. And Britain's foreign secretary said this is a reckless and brazen campaign and totally unacceptable. So you've got this coordinated announcement from the US from Britain from Georgia as well. Why have they decided to come out? Now blame Russia. The feeling apparently in this case is that if Russia isn't called out and I should make clear that Moscow has denied any involvement that if Russia is it cold out then it's emboldened and we'll go for repetition and actually disruption on a bigger scale and I think it's also a measure of Western support for Georgia as one of those countries which leant towards the West after the collapse of the Soviet Union becoming an independent country. What nearly thirty years ago. It's supposed to send a positive signal to Georgia. We're not going to allow this to go unnoticed if you like. But you mentioned the Russian denial so this deterrence Josh. D doesn't seem to be working well. It's very difficult to tell to what extent terrence works because you can't prove a negative if Russia steps back for instance from the sort of attacks which it's being blamed for in Ukraine. When missed remind ourselves over two or three years? They went much much further and put the lights out. In in some cases blacktop parts of of PF. The idea is that if you shout about this and make a noise that perhaps someone in Moscow will say actually. It's not worth the risk of being called out in this way and Russia and Georgia had a brief war twelve years ago and the wounds have not healed. They absolutely have not president. Putin obviously has a very long historical memory. I think it's fair to say that. His self image in his image of Russia is partly based on the history of Russia as a great Soviet power. When of course Gioja was no more no less than a Soviet republic a satellite and losing territory in the way that the Soviet Empire deed a ninety nine hundred ninety one really hurt Russian pride and Russian nationalism. So we've seen In a aggressive behavior towards Georgia towards Ukraine. This is part of that pattern. James Robbins tacky says two soldiers in serious. Italy province have been killed by a Syrian air. Strike the Turkish Defence Ministry said. Its forces had retaliated killing Syrian forces. This comes as president. Oto Honor Turkey has warned of an imminent military offensive. It Lipa Syrian troops backed by Russian. Airpower are trying to capture the region forcing nearly a million civilians already suffering in freezing conditions to flee for their lives here. Sebastian Asha Turkish troops. Have ostensibly been manning a series of observation posts in it lip to help maintain the ceasefire brokered with Russia. But just as that truce has never really been put into practice. So his Turkish presence in the province increasing veer towards backing rebel fighters with a major reinforcement of troops and military hardware Turkish artillery. Fire is playing a key role in a new offensive bio position and jihadist fighters to try to retake strategic towns of Syrup. Cab and narrow but they recently lost to Government Forces Sebastian. Usher earlier this week. A former Amazon executive admitted that when wanted a quiet moment of reflection he turned off his Alexa Speaker. It highlights growing concerns that are digital home. Assistance may be listening to more than we think. So what's The answer wolf? Professor Banjo from the University of Chicago believes the solution lies in a bracelet. He told my colleague wrought shop all about it. This bracelet basically goes on your wrist. It's very simple user single abundant you tap it and sends out a pair of very low power ultrasonic audio pulses and it doesn't because it's in the aquasonic frequency. You don't hear it. Your friends don't hear it but it turns out that is carefully tuned in such a way. That the microphones that are around us in these accidents in these other devices. They can't quite keep up with the ultra sonic frequencies law library but they vibrate audible In a way they jam themselves they produce a little bit of white noise only at their own little local region and as a result they just hear white noise. So when you turn it on you're able to have a real private conversation without worrying about being used dropped. I think that the real key point is that you know wearing these slits or or Canada. Rounds You when you're at home. You're really doing outside or potential. That places were don't know where these device. Id You know public places office buildings and someone else's home and you can't just reach over and unplugged their device because you want a moment of quiet. What was it that really sent you down this path? Bills interesting you know. My wife has also my colleague and collaborator and also professor. Your Taco and when I came out. I'm always a sucker for new gadgets. I wanted by one taken home. But she was adamantly against it very concerned about her privacy in our privacy home and that sort of led to the conversation while win. Can you actually be for a device is not listened to and so we came up with this idea that while? There's no way to guarantee except if you proactively do something something that you can control and and that's how this came about the tig long. It took a little bit of time. A general principle using ultrasonic to generate a audible sound has been known for about a year But actually building the delays and making a work with really low powerlift chronics and then actually packing into a little three D. printed bracelet. That actually fits around your risk. That took a bit of time and of course there was extensive testing to make sure that it did what it does and turns out when we talk. We wrestled at just a tiny bit and that is actually not to eliminate what we call dead spots and make sure that every little region in space around you. It's covered so no matter where that hidden microphone might be it actually works quite well. Jimmy University of Chicago Professor Ben Joe. Scientists in Scotland claim to develop the world's first climate positive Jin made from garden peas the researchers say producing Jin from PS rather than grains removes more carbon dioxide than. It creates a science correspondent. Ken MacDonald has been to meet the distillery owner where the GIN is produced. We'RE AREN'T THE DONNIE. Dream of their becky highland estate distillery angus and with me. John Sterling owner director. Would you do vodka from potatoes? You do malted barley determined into whiskey but ps into Jin. How does that work are still kirsty black her? Phd was extraction of alcohol from legumes peas. And when she came to work here she carried out research ordinance taking almost five years now but she's finally cracked it and she has managed to extract alcohol from Peas and Beans Hustle particular selling point. Yes the great thing about. Ps is the carbon footprint of the. Jin We meek is minus one point five four two pair bottle so it's actually what we tell them. Climate positive not even carbon neutral. We're not helping change the world so the more. Jin You drink. The better is for the planet that she'd be are strapped lying. But I'm not quite sure we'd like to see that challenge to accept that the whole idea behind the distal legion and otherwise is getting things from the field into the bottle with as little of intervention as possible. Yes our whole ethos for me. Say it up. This distillery was to do things the way they used to be done. Which was farm-based distilling whisky. Originally in Scotland was farm-based distilling. So you grew your body on the farm or and then you'd make whisky from it and therefore we wanted almost go back in time and start drawing everything we produce so when we make vodka we grew our own. Potatoes will also make vodka from wheat which we grow we. They'd make the GIN and botanical. And we've planted more juniper on this farm than anywhere in Scotland for the past few years we've got beehives. They also go into the genucel. Shola pipe sustainability and growing everything on the farm and obviously peas is another aspect. That just encourages that so as low carbon. Because you don't use synthetic fertilizers to grow the piece. The piece of good for the soul because they fix nitrogen but what about the waste product that P or the humble pie is we now call. It helps the soil helps a soul rotation we produce whole variant. And you've got your P. Ponytail. That then can go round in the chain and can be fade to cattle and we're also working research to look at other uses we can do from that to the Council Lake polticial and it doesn't get them drunk the seventy come away with a smile on their face and the Santoli. It's always finished at the end of the day. So we think it's definitely got a positive impact on them as well and also the Jin called. Dr Does it taste of peace. No because we make a neutral spirit is actually slightly sweet but tastes beautifully. Clear for the German market is Eddie coded one and sometimes it seems that everywhere has its own gender but this one I the market is actually something that does have from unique selling point. Ken McDonald reporting and I get feeling. He rather enjoyed the assignment. And that's awesome us for now but there will be an updated version of the global news. Podcast later if you want to comment on this edition or topics covered and you can send us an email. The address is global. Podcast at BBC. Dr K I'm Gina Jalil until next time goodbye.

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#154: Bodyguard / Bake Off / Celebrity Masterchef

SRSLY

39:59 min | 3 years ago

#154: Bodyguard / Bake Off / Celebrity Masterchef

"Hello and welcome to seriously the new statesman podcast takes pop culture. Seriously. I'm Caroline cramped, and I'm Alaska vich this week. We're talking about the BBC drama bodyguard on the niece. Aries of the great British bake off. We've also been watching Gemma Collins on celebrity master chef. So we'll be talking about how that went later in the show. Hello, welcome back to another episode of seriously. Sorry, we had a little unscheduled break last week because both Caroline and I were ill because it's autumn now in the temperature just dropped immediately at suddenly. I think cough. The nation gob is sick. The result? Yeah, I'm still a bit ill. I've sort of been Malinga ring or sniffing my way around consistent this round of cold for me. Yeah, an even not to get much into this, but I got really hopeful when I had a message from my doctors being like, you'll eulogy for flu job as I. Oh, God that get this sorted. They're like, you'll do frivolous job at the end of toba. Oh, right now I've been of like hold up at home, what ching, like crappy TV and saying with my dog, so it's been fine. It's just been Kogas net. Yeah, you're right though. The flipside of the sudden onset of autumn is the Ma. Massive rising quality in television onset of main channels, oversee light net flicks is pumping stuff out year round, but I'm definitely the kind of full launch thing is full underway and one of the big things that's happened in TV in the last few weeks that we can talk about now is bodyguard, which is a six part BBC. Drama starring Keady whores on Richard Madden as a British politician on her personal protection officer, it's written by jed mckerrow known for his work on line of duty and bodies, and it's just add concluding episode on Sunday night. The series has been huge ratings hit in the UK attracting the biggest audiences if anything other than the World Cup. And I believe Netflix of just signed a deal to distributor everywhere else in the world. Yeah, it's been like massive, water cooler, TV and Britain. Yeah. I think that all steps owed the final eleven million fuse and just for context, the lost drama to get even close to that was the doctor who Christmas special in two thousand eight right. So that radium put into effect if that a lot of people watching it live and obviously the the final ad last night. So that's not even including up figures. So it's been a real kind of return to the traditional terrestrial TV viewing here because most people, I think have been watching this at nine pm on a Sunday rather than binging it. You know, if you weeks later and it's really kicked off this whole conversation about spoilers and how TV works these days. Right? Because unlike I feel most of the time what the BBC does now with prestige drama. So for instance, killing eve which we're gonna talk about in the future week. That's all on I play now as a box that you can watch it at your own pace. And I think therefore it's just generally accepted by people who are writing and talking about it that once a book that's been online for a few days, it's up to you to avoid. Lead spoilers if you're watching on us lowest Gadul. Whereas when something is out week by week and then released for catch up. But there's no further episodes you have to wait until the following Sunday. It's a whole different dynamic, and there was a big control, Cathy as big, you know, people enjoyed the controversy around the fact that the radio times magazine came out with a cover partway through the series that had a massive spoiler on its front cover. But that episode had already Ed and I feel even five years ago, no one would have battered Nile out of my right. That was a radio TV in the same way that soap magazine's cover stuff that's happened already and soaps and don't presume that some people are saving your all to watch it the weekend or something totally contained a big spoiler for third episode in which mild boiler at may two characters killed off, and I think the facts that they lead without spoiler so big and fuelled. Assault conspiracy theory that was amongst viewers that that character was not really dead and was gonna come back because I think people felt like, oh, that's the press joining in with the game that says, this character has been killed off, but like actually they wouldn't spoil us like that. So it's really signified that she's not dead at all. But yes, she, that's not what it was they, they totally would. I mean, you know, I in my late teens and early twenties, I, I was really into multiple soaps and the kind of magazines that cover soaps with absolutely. Like two days after a big episode at lead with like dirty den is gone. As well with soap magazines where actually they spoil awful you before it's even on a no one ever complains about that. The week four, a major character death in EastEnders thou BIA they'll be a TV, whatever magazine cover line about every every little detail. So, yeah, it's weird things of acceptable to spoil them more on. But yeah, and it's funny to me will so how how the BBC decides to put stuff out is you're saying like kidding. Eve has gone up his book set on three with some shows like with with fleabag that went up online BBC, three whole series, one drop, or I think actually maybe right the beginning it was released week by week onto three. And then it was up as a book, Seth ages, and then they gave it a primetime slot on ABC too because it was so popular and they were like Archie Disraeli serious, amazing show that we need to get out of people on. It's interesting to me that they haven't yet done that with Kate uneven seem to have no plans to that with kidding eve, which I feel like had been given the push that bodyguard has been given. So clearly a false superior program. I'm sure it was a lot more expensive to make because it came by the American via the BBC. And it's just so much better and yet they haven't pushed it in the same way as bodyguards. So it hasn't been given the same opportunity to become this massive water cooler program. It's not far on people are watching talking about it, but I just felt so immediately dispirited that bodyguard was getting all the attention I wanted killing get. 'cause I just love that crime thriller and think it's about a crime thriller. Yes, absolutely. So I think we will say that from now on you can expect full spoilers foot bodyguard. 'cause I think we should get properly into it and discuss it. You know, it's already been on TV guys, so you can't complain. So yeah, one of the biggest topics surrounding bodyguard I fail is how realistic is it slash, isn't it? One of the ways, I think because I don't in an office anymore, so I do not have a physical water cooler around which to talk about these things. People Oviously does Twitter, but the way that really tipped me off to the fact that this was being watched and discussed by lots of people was how much SEO content the walls on the internet about it. Every publication in Britain has been doing what all the latest bodyguard conspiracy theories is killing hose, ready dead, bummer, blah. And, and yeah, one of those articles that I've seen over again in. Like tabloids in bro. Cheats is getting real police officers and politicians to righto comment about is this realistic? Like with this? Like the funeral. The answer is obviously, no. Yeah, right. I know it's funny because it's not obviously what we're watching his fiction, and it's meant to be ABS like dramatic and exciting. So often you take liberties and things are bit more absurd, but that was something implausible about bodyguards that I feel like maybe comes from the fact that like the characters on while Ritter malls, it comes from the fast if the plot being absurd because I just went on BBC. Five live to talk about this on. They had Frank Gardner is correspondent, come on the show, and he was saying, no, it's like complete nor Representative things ready all this me because it's fiction, but there are lots of shows that I watched on like an I again, I know made the comparison, but killing eve like full of hairpins to Abel's and poisonous perfume and all kinds of completely implausible things. And yet the characters are so. So compelling and and they feel really, really like grounded down to earth. And it's funny like bodyguard never had a sense of humor is self. It was always taking so seriously not made the absurd. The absurdity of plot in a bit more like felt less forgiving towards it because everyone was looking so serious. And so, yeah, I agree that the metric whether a program is good should not be believable. Diplo is there was no attempts to make it feel any any sense of grounded nece or any sense of realism at all, and dot famille even a like the diet dots cringe-worthy whether or not you're talking about, you know. Someone being forced into a suicide vest against that, will them walking ten miles across London like these, these things would be ridiculous anyway, but when the dialogues really wouldn't, and people are making when characters making completely improvable decisions to solve the plot instead of the plot serving to tell you interesting things about the characters that's when a piece of completely falls apart for me. Yeah, exactly. And the it could have been so interesting. The central character of the bodyguard played by Richard Martin who you will know his rope stock from game of thrones this character that he plays David bud, he he has PTSD from savvy enough ghanistan. He has all of these complicated issues like willing around in his brain where his, it's my job to protect politicians. But same time, these are the politicians who made the decisions that led to the terrible things I witnessed in the wool and. You know, should I actually be seeking to put them in harm's way rather than keep them out of it. So he's got some really interesting conflicts and yet somehow he just comes off as you say, really wouldn and unlikable. Dispensed with as well. Like those interesting elements of like tension between character after three that completely gone. So you engage with anymore, those sort of conflicts, they just fly out the window and I think the David bud character as well as just this very, he's he's, you know, when the give characters that you meant to like flaws, but they're like not real floors. So his floors alike. He's like overprotective in the extreme and he's the hero of the peace. So that's good. Or he'll like make reckless decisions, ally, everyone's like what this guy is crazy, but then he always pulls them off. So yes. Like for me, it's just a completely unrealistic character because. Even his flaws and his like the fact that he's like not been a great husband and has been so vaguely absent father is like, oh, because he was such a hero in Afghanistan and now has PTSD like all of these things are little. It's just a little bit like it. So hyper masculine and like it's not like they're satirizing his kind of like masculine nobility, really in any way. They just kind of presenting him to you is this like karaoke character and I found a bit like really, I'm kind of just a little bit overdone. Yeah, it's all extremely overdone. I watched like four percents on one train journey last week and some of the set pieces all in the moment, quite exciting and so of quite well constructed. So like the first everyone talks about how the first twenty minutes of the first episode tonight, the tensest minutes of TV that they've seen in ages, and I can see that, you know, it's focus is on kind of suspected terror. Attack on a train, and David happens to be on the train with his kids, and he helps sort of. Talk down a suicide bombers within three seconds of like witnessing wom- person act vaguely suspiciously by been. He's like Don raffle the most sophisticated terror plot of all time because he's David, but exactly. Yes. So it's already absurd, but some of the way that's written constructed and filmed is really tense, but then get like at least one of those set pieces in each episode, whether it's like a sniper, taking potshots at the politicians cough, move the building or like a terrorist in van with the school every single episode. And for me, they had like diminishing returns each time. One of those came along, I was like, oh, women to feel tense. No, I'm just quite board really predictable each time. There's only one ends up with any kind of like serious death of line of courage, the close to and the rest of them. You kind of know that this you never actually feel like these characters. Are in serious risk. I think for the rest of them and there you start to predict when they coming because you'll be like, well, beginning of the first episode and of the last episode kind of in the middle of some of the middle. Like you see, that was a moment where I was watching with my boyfriend and he was like, haven't had a terror attack in a while, probably coming about now. Intially occurred just like, yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, it very quickly became formulaic and then all culminated in this big extra-long finale because the other upset the rule like fifty eight minutes or something in the finale seventy five, which it does not need to be by the way which it does not need to be unlike fully forty minutes of rule spent on the same incident. Yeah, which you alluded to its were David bud finds himself wearing in after a series of implausible events that I'm not even gonna go into. He ends up wearing a suicide vest and sort of nitty being taken down by his own armed police colleagues, and he. Commits them to let him like, walk all the way through London to where he lives so that he can show them some evidence as to why they shouldn't shoot him except. I did just goes on forever and completely put paid to. I feel like the way the interest in the series had built was, as you said, very much around this idea that like there's a massive on revealed twist as a conspiracy as maybe it's not killing hoses car to coming back to life, but maybe it's something else like some they built towards this idea that there was a a mole in the police or the security services or both in it's going to be revealed. So to them 'tatoes despised islets the person, you least expect that kind of thing. And then instead of that plot sort of ratcheting up, it all just kind of diffused like everyone lived happily ever after, but me know. But it. In they gave they presented with you a series of options for how long it's going to be resolved. Wolves. This a terrorist attack from the same people who did the train incident. The first episode is actually an attempt on from organized crime to take down security policies or maybe the security services are in on it and they're doing it. And then the solution was like probably like a bit of all through your second three in like one senior COPA. These people would be working together in this way. It's just just felt like they they had given they they, they had no punches left to give. And so they just kind of said like, oh yes, of all these things. One twist revolved around the idea that you would never expect expect woman to be an engineer, which was a bit weird, which is a bit weird. Yeah. And she one of the things that someone's to me, Liam was the actually the most unreal. Listrik thing about bodyguard was how many women were in light senior leadership roles in police and security services and politics that I saw an article about that whether west please women were really outraged, and I know there's actually ever respect us. Yeah. No, I'm sure. But yes, but one of the plot twist did sort of revolve around the fact that like the most senior policewoman that you've been dealing with all the way through is actually corrupt been taking bribes from organized crime. And she used the link between several of these strands and stuff. One thing that me and my boyfriend kept saying to each other, fundamentally don't believe is the whole cloth this whole show revolves around the idea that that would be a politician trying to implement increased security measures against terrorism, very controversial. You know, potentially civil liberties, infringing move. And then she's murdered in a massive tear. Tourist attack. And so they don't implement those policies? Yeah. Whereas the opposite would happen Oviously the happened if you if you wanted to ensure that the government entered is what. About that? No. If you were trying to stop them, you would. It's just actually bunkers in a fundamental level where I'm not like, oh, this is like a bit city and dramatic. It's just like, no, this is fundamentally at its core ridiculous implausible. So why are we taking it seriously as we are as a nation? Yeah, it's old. What made me think about what it made me think of is, you know, when the first series of shock I came out and not everybody, but most people like, wow, this is amazing such a cool way to like update an old story won't rape performances, blah, blah. And then as the series went on like founds peeled away, I'm generally everyone the consensus shifted to this is really ridiculous and absurd, and none of it is remotely plausible, like none of it was ever plausible, but the characterization on the writing made you care about that to start with. And then by the end, you're like what? She's using VO coder in the glasses invisible who what the hell where is actually always that city. And I feel like bodyguard has been that silly all the time. Like it's fundamental plot levers don't make any sense. And yet somehow we're sort of -sposed to just look past up. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of an I'm gonna. Get paid probably saying this, but like a lot of British BBC, TV, flagship dramas, like Sunday night, one night dramas. Like I feel like that's such a, especially right now a real problem with like wooden dialogue, unbelie characters in a way that I just don't see when I'm watching something really hyped up on like HBO or whatever. I don't understand why we still writers and actors and stuff is still getting away with like quite short performances on really mainstream British TV. And maybe I'm just like only watching the kind of like critically adored things from the US that trickle down into my off like specific cultural circle, and that's why it feels a bit worse. But like I just really, I'm no, I'm going on and on about it, but I became really obsessed with the idea that killing eve would be available right now at the entire nation is talking about bodyguard like, yeah, oh, bad in comparison and killing is so good. It's like, do you want your lives to enrich to buy. Quality, television. Why? Why would you choose to watch bodyguard Davis and maybe a lot of people watching both. And if you're not watching, make sure you ought to immediately because the television, but it's just. Yeah, mind boggling. To me, I can still turn on a ready major expensive, much heights TV show. I'm not just talking about bodyguard because that's the stuff on at the moment. That's kind of been wrapped into this idea of like a good autumn moment of TV press. And a lot of seeing is is bad. Trust is well. You know, I love Michaela coal by even she'd into that show recently and I just found it would've bad. And I'm like, how is this. Opening now just will just is depressing to me anyway, buddy. God was good fun to watch, but is completely crop killing Eve's. Amazing. We're going to talk about it next time. Probably yes. Tune in full more positive job. Tonight. BC. Well, everyone in the cardiac surgical department, please raise your hands. Thank you. You're all fire. Inspiring, true story department who places billing above care, you will be terminated. Doctor will every just tell me what you need, what your patients need to inspire revolution. Let's get into some trouble. Let's be doctors again from the network that this is you went to them tonight on NBC. So the next thing we're going to talk about is the great British. Bake off something. We've talked about a lot on seriously ever. The is it's now in its ninth series on this is the second series as Ed on channel four. After left the BBC a couple of years ago, Sunday talks vigor, no fielding the hosts and pretty and Paul Hollywood a judges so far the contestants tackled biscuits, bread, cake, and dessert. So immediate hideous admission for me. I only watched episode one which was biscuit week of kind of fooling outta love with bake off at this point. I'm the same. I watched the most recent episode, the desert one in preparation for this, but if we hadn't been doing this cost about it, I would not have been watching a tool and I can. They're like a few reasons that I can pinpoint for that one is I hate pull Hollywood now, like I never liked him, but now I fully hate him a new colleague newsra really good piece about how like poll Hollywood's hab shake was every. That was rolling with hypothetically, and she's opened my eyes. I con con what him now on TV without thinking about it. And then also just the fact that it's own the stupid old four player. And I have to like watch the same adverts over and over again because he's get stuck getting them and sleep like, it's just too difficult to watch now and therefore I have been keeping up with it. Yeah, I find no fielding difficult to watch, and I was probably love him. I was probably the world's biggest, no fielding fun. When I was a teenager I just con- icon what is about him on this that I guess my love him as has declined rapidly anyway, and I've, you know, I just sending something about him that I've like is this embarrassing. I think this might be a barrister. And yeah, I just find. It's like watching. We'll talk about this later, but like watching Greg Wallis on master chef. I sometimes feel like he's never had a conversation with a human being. Sometimes I get slight vibes of fielding. I agree that pool Hollywood is just seven hundred and also he's become a man. So desperate now, like in my day, I remember like when a pool Hollywood handshake with like this huge deal once a series. Yeah, yeah. And now he's like, you're left right and center like desperate to be liked, and it's just so Swazi and grim. I taught yet. The ego it was. Have you seen that he's now his own chain of like moderately shit, Costa rip-off cafes. There's one really? Yeah. There's one it used to known who oversee no pulled. Oh, cool. Like the poll Hollywood bakery or something, there's one east station and it doesn't have like a sports car in Amman peacocking the front it not exactly in front and branding. In metaphor in metaphor also because they sell the time. I was in there with my cousin. If you weeks ago, we just wanted like a Cup of tea and some kind of pastry and all they seem to have on sale were different kinds of sausage roll to buy it by the length. So my cousin just point to discuss. Ever heard. So my cousin just. The interest you'll like masculine enough to eat exactly. She just pointed it like the Sosa droll in the oven thing come, I have that one. Please thinking it was like a normal situation. And then the pope observing was like, she won't three inches of. Horrible and phallic in grim. So so we ended up buying like, I've never heard anything so horrible. We ended up buying a twelve inch sociologist because it was funny. Wealth nerve out this, the world needs to know about to learn about it. So so just the woke Todo, Benny wait. All of that means that I just now can't even Hollywood even comes on the screen. I'm just printing ready before. He's bakes. Oh, my. Carry on with this conversation down. So it is Paul what you doing? Yeah. So bake off. I mean, I don't know if it's just a thing of like, like any sort of. No reality show. But like, you know, entertainment show this formulaic is, is there of a p a trough. Inevitably does the enthusiasm for it build. And then once everyone gets bored, drop-off, light, you know, the fact is dead. The apprentice is on the way like is this just another example of a show this over I'll steam because that will that was a point where like the frenzy for it was so disproportionate ridiculous. You know, kind of national joke that we were all obsessed with this baking show so Twee but we were. And now I just feel like it's become way less of a wuss cooler show like not that many people I know like, did you see what happened to bake off Los high and Goodall series? They tried to do that when it moved to channel four even last year I felt like it was on the way out. Yeah. I mean, even two or three years ago, like I, I lived in a house with three other people, and it was pretty much the only time of the week when all four of us would commit to being in on the same night and we would like make dinner together. I'm watching. Which as I say, we didn't do it for anything else. It winded a baking thing in the office where we bring in cakes, which law of offices did where you would like make the losers cake or something. Yeah, yes, episode an yet just. It's just died a death. Really. The contestants are perfectly nice charming. It's no shade to them, but it's just run out him. I don't know deal with real peak. Yes. All fly. As she was in her, was her series. Also the I think feel like it was a series before it was the Bank to Alaska incident, and then he else's. I. And the point on woods, it was dead in the water. Yeah, this is what I found. So how when I was watching this episode, I was trying to analyze why other than pool, Hollywood? Why did I feel just so boy did why did I just care about it? Because everything else about is dental. Like, you know, the way it's filmed the like intercut bits of cute animals. The contestants are rule night really cheery and nice, and even a couple of even in the one upset I watched. Oh yeah. If I was watching this, I would like before when you, you know, there's nothing inherently wrong with the way the show is made. Now. I don't really like Prue lease. I think for reasons I really we discussed last time in her first outing you made a very good point about how online Mary berry Houston's like, yeah, eat some cake, booze and stuff is nice. Hold a purchase, like is it worth the calories, which I find what object, what would never wants baking show Camano. So, yeah, she, she's like, no, great. I don't mind Sunday talks, we can no fielding actually, like I don't find Knowles bits that funny, but I do quite like there I think must be like a genuine friendship they have. Now, I I like how they just taught each other on the show too casually. Light seem seem like good mates, but I don't know. I used to really like the bits where Mellon sue went to Germany to learn about Stroup waffles. Yeah, your free. No. What else is like fossil at account troop? Awful. I know, but I, I didn't know. So it's no one thing is basically what I'm saying. It's just a a gradual slide into irrelevant. I agree. Sorry if they're remaining payco funds listening to seriously think we've run out of steam with it down. Yeah. Say, last week we decided to watch Jim Collins on the BBC food entertainment program, celebrity master chef, which involves getting a bunch of celebrities to do some cooking and. Then they get praised very lavishly. I think. Yeah. And then some of them go through to a fine linen veggie, a winner who no one pays. Speaking of like food based reality shows that have very tied formats that no one's interested in as we just were. This is another one I must've been running regrets really. It just it's like on all the time because they have the regular people, master chef celebrity Massa, Jeff junior master chef, it's never know on and they also have professional chef. Celebrity moss shift the genius master chef, the professor there, that's it right? Or is there a noble masters? There is this like normal people? Yeah, people want as well. That's once a year on Mosa chef. They're professionals. They'll like prepare like a completely ace star restaurant. Michelin star standard meal in the judge will be discussed. And then unlike celebrity chef, someone like peels potato Gregoire this like. Is a good potato. I'm really impressed with actually. So it's quite mental as four, but yeah, but we're particularly in this this time. Right? Because Gemma Collins of the US Essex fame is on. Yeah, she was great predictably. She's really funny. Highlights included her proudly telling the judge chefs that she had made fish on poppy? Yes. Yeah, that was good. That was great. I really liked they, they, they do this with bit, which seems to have absolutely no relevance to who goes through or not. But they have this bit where they all go and like cook for some workers somewhere in town team and like sometime someday OB hostesses and they'll be like, it's really important that they eat that dinner. Otherwise, that will be Masha international playing. Try stakes. That, yeah, that sometimes like I saw one and it was like historical reenact, yes, in Dudley ready is all stuff. And yet she, she went into the kitchen to do that, and she just literally got laid random kitchen staff to help do chop. That was way as well in another episode where they again, seems to have no relevance to the actual competition. They make them go and let work in a fancy London restaurant for light, not which is where she learned her fish on poppy, but so she actually got in trouble partway through that when the head chef notice that she just got all of the labs who worked in that kitchen to just do stuff for her. But she so come on come on. KOMO to just be like, oh, Steve mate. Could you help me with this, please? Thanks so much. Okay. Thanks a lot. Talk work. Your AK. She's no one else even thought to do that. She's all her div rish qualities come through, but it does pay off somehow. I also love the interviews that she, you know, this talking head bits in between the action where they're like, oh, his gem cooking, and then they cut to like Jimmy giving an interview about how it went. And if you actually she speaks such fluent reality show cliche, it's it's brilliant life. You actually really concentrate on what she saying like, wow, this is this is like meaningless, but it sounds so important and she'll be like, you know, the steaks ready high now like blah, blah. There's no evidence of that, but they just say, and she's, yeah, yeah, but no, she was great. Really charismatic. Cooking skills are always amazing, but she, she just somehow manages to come off as likable despire. Kind of being ever mess. Often on these goes on me, live has the isos that got really highly praised as where she just bought a load of really expensive seafood and then just cooked it with basic competence, and then all the comments wound, the seafood, it's incredible. Yes, because it's very nice and you pay money for. There was some great moments on it. They're like, west, this crickets. Made so of fish batter for like a a fried Koto, whatever. But just like a breadcrumbs Basser and just like completely put lays eggs and light cream say that it was completely wet and desire. And yeah, that's just like a lot of those someone like, I think it was the same guy actually had to do like sweetcorn. Yeah, light meant to be off the call, but he just like put it just a whole Kabul sweet cord on the plate. Just like it's really bizarre is is really good volley if a bit like that. And like I say, I just find Greg wallets bizarre that he always does these conversations with them ways. He's like, so how do you feel about the final? Nobody? Nobody like, oh my God. He talks completely bizarre. Like all the time. It is just like he's never ever conversed with Hume big void in his life. Also, he loves to mention that he was agreeing grocer. He mentions it like at least once an episode sometimes completely randomly, like there's a time when John Terada who is the other presented, who is in actual chef was like demonstrating how to cook a vegetable and Greg Walus like slightly preempted what he was about to say that you should do, and he was like, wasn't agreeing grossest. Nothing WinCo says no cook things. They sell them. Why would you also if the reality TV cliche say true because that always like like whatever it is whatever meals, say you're looking fish or like steak or rice or anything. That'd be the thing about this specific food is your cook it for too long. It's overcooked you don't cook it enough. It's undercooked. So that's going to be tricky and you're like, yeah, that's all food. This is true. Don't cocoa over cook it. You cook it in in the middle. Yes. So it's really funny. It will literally be like, I dunno. It could be like pasta. Well, if you do it for too long, you will overcook the past Daniel. We, we know we know cooking show. Yeah, I'll bet. It's great fun. I've been watching while master chef recently because it's just like completely relaxed is really recognizing say for some reason I find it's tired format incredibly relaxing in a way that I don't with bake off. I don't know why, but Baykal feels more of a commitment you move in the same length. Yeah, anyway. So, yeah, enjoyed democrat, almost chef, and I think I will keep watching. I will keep following to the end. So for next week Carradine I, I'm going to recommend us something from my travels around the YouTube which is shading Dawson's recent. I think five part series called the secret world of Jeffrey star. Which has been like this massive mega YouTube things been viewed like ninety million times or something insane, and actually kicked off this whole like it's cool drama get kicked off this massive, multi way feud and beauty, YouTube and stuff, which has resulted in light. Lots of people having to apologize for previous racist posts. They've made no, this kind of like it's been this whole mafia thing, but it's one of those those controls 'this is like so medically sealed within its beauty that if you on pas me involved, if if you wanna fan of one of the people involved with me, you might never have come across it. But yes, I, I am going to recommend that you have a go at the first part of this areas that if you get hooked on it over Saiki watching. But if you don't, we'll talk about why. Okay, great. Looking forward to. Thanks for listening to this episode of seriously the pop culture podcast from the new statesman. 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"The matter of pulling together the whole Jordan and putting on what I can be a brilliant. We'll be honest with herself next week as usual and say okay this stonking result. But what could we have done. Better Passion for rising again looking like my job back to just doing it. Because I love Rice. McConnell really exchange. Welcome to incisive Kaz. Shane van gets begging from ripple. Rising thing here. Welcome to winsor because Tony. Richardson Criville Post Goco show as we get ready for the Parole Ron of the two thousand nineteen championship immature saint in the final San and five hundred and then of course onto the lost around Newcastle. It was interesting at the weekend. Craig is much as who ran as who didn't oviously A couple of big crashes with Chaz Mostert on Saturday and Scotty McLaughlin on Sunday Rodney of the cows obviously They were very closely. Listen the agent. Wait over. In fact tiny wasn't it and for Chaz Mostert what a crashing defeat for him. It was It was a weed incident and then Sunday with Scott McLaughlin making the mistake which put him out Just kept Tov a weird weekend. It's not the first time we've seen front runners putting the mass cells out of a rice but it. It's not that often. You say two mistakes like that in the one weekend so that the team penske and UH lodge job in getting ready to build Lukasz for the young charge. Yeah it's going to be interesting to see how the momentum shift from certainly mustard and McLaughlin is gonNA apply when they do get onto the track at San. It's GonNa make sending a fascinating what what has fascinated may tiny. I wanted to talk to you about it is since the last round of parody changes hasn't been interesting to see that will triple responded. And it's no longer as we sort of the beginning of the year that it's the pin right cows particularly of David Reynolds. That are making the running. For the Holden's Craig. I think you'll agree that The dominant trip alight amazing performance. They regained yet again. That form that says the two guys on top of the ladder because it was only signed a and a year ago when they had a one-two-three on the podium so this year by Shane van is bugging. Tanda and Jamie Win Cup and Inde- Craig Lowndes both had a win in a second and they did it on consecutive days allies in work and as we get rid ready for richer around Take Food for the PETROLEO. Chaz Mostert car is come out with a A flashback to the or tribute. I should say to the Alamo Foot Coca Cola Mustang transit obvious there in sixty nine l.. MOFFITT turned up with these trains and Mustang. And it's good to see Chaz Mostert in Cebu cheaper showing their respect for that livery and the guy running running a tribute to livery on the number fifty five. I'll tell you sometime about Frank Gardner. He had not one of those mustangs which it was interesting. It was at the seven Bike across but that's another story. Another time man. Sounds like when tis worth hearing to. Hey Scott mclachlan's clash. We mentioned it before but I think one of the interesting things was the fact that a shock absorber ended up a NI- Yet or trackside balcony. How can you should say ended up on a balcony and that's one of those chilling reminders of just? I the potential that this accident had but also so the dangers that whilst everything is done the Cape motorized safest possible things can go awry and components can get will away from the race Stephan mill out of GR aim. What can you tell me about the Alex Davison crashing? How the wheel old wasn't retained because the data didn't Broke but those. He commented that they'd have to so large. That'd be unmanageable. So the idea of actually having one on shocker and spring is obviously you have a question. It was a great trip for me. You going into the Gulf coast main there for some years and catching out with a bunch of different people who will feature on the show in the coming weeks Craig High State Case Wheel. Murray Long Maks By the time and they stories on What they've been up to in certain meetings? I've watched television cry. Assume that you the dramas that Deja team penske had with Fabian. Coulthard's car and you had a situation. Where Lambda Mehta which measures the exhaust gases Anyone who rises cats has probably had a land of meter on the cat fees now and Here we had a situation where Because of the rules that came in the she to stop engines from being linked off. Too Much The lambda made applying up Caused an extra long pitstop for the number twelve car and basically put the team penske out of the weekend in our Sunday. What are the interesting conversations I had was with Craig Featuring show coming up and he was very proud that every car every lap had the lamb does recording off the exhaust from bathurst and was a part of the white witch categories to so we'll manage wanted pollock said this week show will Nobody fate share told Kelly telling me how well Kelly rising his dominant alley looking forward the challenge of the Ford engine and the Mustang. But it's certainly interesting to reflect on that in the future one will heave from one or we have a young team. Owners met stone but also Johnny Wind Cup telling us about his time and how he's adapted to coming onto the commission they use. Subic Al Commission It's an interesting development in one in which China Texas inside. WHO's thinking the other big story the weekend Craig was about Richie Standard wide-ranging the shore You'd be fascinating. It was very unusual situation. He missed an autograph session. And Gary Gary laid in pay the price in the SAT. Rice twenty-seven with the Dylan is doing an excellent job. You know run. Biography would Gary Rogers in the series but dylan was giving a leg up and Ryan with Chris Beta in the number thirty four chariman boost mobile. Commodore Gary is about to leave the building so to speak That's got supercop building. He's still going to be around because motorsports says he has been the last fifty years but was saying him in both our and super five thousand will still see him well and truly the day but it certainly is interesting weekend. We hope you'll enjoy the conversations that we had Over that weekend the insights it because h way joined the inside Motorsport team is I look at all the news from across the valley and around the world and Sean in the sport with interviews news and opinion go to put money back into the sport at the lower levels to develop the kids and bring them up. You can't rely conclude luck for Daniel Ricardo's all manned were found a few nights tips and money in sending my says you're actually needs to be broadcast on community. Radio and online on Export Radio DOT COM the views expressed on inside supercars including the panelists and guests do not reflect the views of the network. Thunder Media Will Sport Radio any publication rebroadcasts of the show without the express written permission of funding media is strictly prohibited. Dick Johnson from team penske. Excuse and you're on inside. Subic who taught Kelly on the second racing at Gulf coast. And obviously there's a lot of things to happen the four next season and probably you'll be about busiest trump around the depend lot of Christmas break. Slot that with the Nissen introduction doctrine and then every few years and updates to the Roy sites. It's business as usual this Christmas. Unfortunately for the guards. But everyone's really excited about it is about to do with the car. And and all sides engine at hall space inventory and then setting up soup a to operation with all the current stalkers well that period. So that we're ready to guard at the start of next season Cy. It'll be as busy as it's everybody is a few. You'll boys like a short off. Attorney accent coolant. Starting touching bases with dog the wool all hours bought interested to say what their reaction was And it's been it's been really good. They've had experience across Also of engines. Even things that we do at that sort of car racing with that scale writes all fried stuff We've always different bits and pieces in there and the and the whole of one was. The big one is tall. School racing dogs And I manage the whole the whole mission engine thing with absolutely brilliant so I think it's almost a relief. Thanks guys back to engine. And they're and they're very excited about cash so all right now. As part of the motivation prices is change changes coming for next to the Mustang under wireless that still to be determined. Get his yeah. It's not going to be anything that will slow us. Dan Yeah we can still go ahead and get all of the steelwork on the chassis and get you know the sides on the skins on If anything it won't be just a small change answer the front buyer and the ray wing or something so Ninety nine percent of the car can be built as planned. Yeah because you had the most complete rice with trump vini born in line so is that main. It ninety percent will still now being inside your workshops as far as all the conference at work. We haven't really decided on any particular to enhance. We really need to get the whole cop. Assemble cows We've ordered think two or three complete cockpits of everything that we need from all the different supplies and until we get all of our spots Light at that workshop and bold into the car and then save what's involved in making them as cells versus what we can bom awesome for and assess every individual pop on its own merit Now that'll be on January February before we saw it on what we do in half but there's plenty of work with the the to stop and then the COBB goals in life departments busy and so we work out what we do ourselves. And you're as long as you drive. Yeah well that use only went out in the last week So it's I first year in in that for a wall And with two cars. We wanted to make sure that. We've got the Roy guys in there. And they eh for the raw raisins and if we can make Laura not with Aaron. Jiro plans that'd be right side. The Knicks chose three weeks. We'll be Mike little bit more progress on that but at the moment I've got absolutely nothing in many white clearly has had a great licey wasted. We've got just really getting west. Yeah well that's GONNA with. The COBB belongs really that they're rising against Iran calling join the car that we've got here in Maine game. It's obvious for anyone to say that the Beza aerodynamically whole of late bulwer I didn't the Mustang came out on top of that so the ultima rising against because a dozen souvenirs. What that cow's actually these on for and now that we've developed the engines to the point where they way they should've been at the start That whole package is really good side. What the signings as what? We've you've got a nice car. The vein pretty competitive. Someone who knows well tonight put obvious reasons had told me that three months into fuel is really dated the quality performance and economy with your ancient versus the others Do you feel the you'll drop should continue on next year as part of the strategy game Well now that we've got the leaning at rules the lambda If all the engines engines were a cat to be to the point where now disadvantage the effort should probably be retitled but What what people do with their Cam? Timing and everything to get the the pad number with this new roka could affect that a little bit side until the cows. Run all the engines in next year's SPEC on I think we can be sought on that resembled information with Sean. We have all right and obviously bright side is as long as well and you know it would be as a PD down-sizer Tony as you currently have any people who saw a fifty it depends on how have we structure and what we're doing right one day before the seven day night ranger turn off. One of the big news came out. This week was commissioned in the ninety dial pound guys Jamie wind up joining. I happen to be reminded too. Good thing the you're obviously sees him coming on the condition. Yeah while the the commission we all rely on screaming heavily for the future basketball at the wrong decisions being made for the for the vitamin of the sport and the sustainability of it is really important and having people on there. There's always decisions that will affect individual team owners and team performances banning twin strings. Someone might have had an advantage in the twin spring and has has evolved. And it's really really hard for some people to take their team head on. Even though it could say you know Stockman the Tehmina huge amount of work hard full stop and improved the racing. Sometimes it's hard the paper to tighten their team had often for themselves to be disadvantaged for the Sports I think he's he's a really great addition to commission with what he's done at saw modest court Business Wars as well as in is spot. Boy The cable bay to make sure that in in every situation he just has that a friend of mine and has the best interest of the sport and art and if he can achieve that you know he's he's a great asset to the commission especially with Bring Adore exploit from their riders CORTEX and the I probably automatic command duty. Foggy on us like that. So the thing Very much so was he is in you to agree agree. Having grown up in social media month having grown up way. That's the normal Certainly other standard other twitter instagram marina. I say things obviously your organization that being safe because really anti handles around and have worked for you yeah. I'm probably closer to you than anyone else for that Y behind the social media thing. I'd rather get my hands on tools and and Agents in hand on the final. I got three kids. Yes but yeah they are. That's that's what's become an and the world's become which which is good for rates paypal connect with I think it's bad for society to be honest I think what you'll scrambling Krabbe you know obviously joan migrated. You'll family is done. Lots Tena will yes fantastic to achieve what you did and Arcadian wait a Baptist meeting with the championship and competitive this wonderful thing. I'm not saying this piece made it genuinely in Cincinnati very time saving grace on open analysis contract member as a person I used to one twenty. Okay so I know for the brand had some meetings today appreciate that and it's to look back at it escorted. Shame that The engine introduction as did because the engine that we have today to a testament to that we had rolled out with an engine that was competitive with the stock We actually had a really good car and Elton Emma for the first number of years but now engine and things would have been different to shore by basically promises were kept and we could have Hit the ground running with that engine. So the whole thing you know he's tarnished From what point for the work that had to go into to get the results that we've got this is part of shine but yet you're living you learn by doing cry Abba Chair yeah. I'm on another night. which will drive utilities? And you're driving skills and obviously pig heaven when it was hot turning ritual Tamboli Campbell. Bribery Well it changed a lot off white three Mark Korea when when I'll be kinda driver entertainer at the same time. So that was it Mostly Oh yes so that you know running your team and gardening and they Stein. I got more and more difficult. So Towards the end it was you know relate to to be out online that responsibility and despite this on the tame stuff to be honest but yes certainly still tonight increase when the CASA good luck baptist Show have you ever had jumping again this food drawn. Rick Rick. God wanted me to jump in the side of this year. So He's been ball artistic laps or something and then talk again and that was it so given that the United States still You know an interesting they. Dan Le Dan but To to draw the line you know walking out smoking August smart good bit forty states they life on a day according joy driving the S. Four thousand Gary. I'm very that was that it was unreal. Buzzed anything okay. Because you Halloween full. Just one major impact. Yeah and eh that that Miss is one loss and you just wonder. How do you think the series is going to talk about the free away or that stadium to trim initially leverage sconces? UNMOWN obviously Drexel hetty series. I was going Well there's a few different aspects of that the the health of the series with with the fans and everything's fantastic and and you got to balance with trade aware and probably needs a little bit of a turn up for for the fans the ones that guard the tackle reform. What should the balance of income from that You know people that turn up at L.. Major events like bathurst still blows me away growing and growing hiring so the health of the sports right. The thing that frustrates me a little bit. Which is why I ended up on the commission? Essential lease I think. We're too far behind. And that that being kosin listen that business to the current format based causes still too advanced and too expensive to run and I benefited of the fans You you know. Always a messy advocate cost cutting and presented Siamese things I've even more time on the board and Commission and not even and ten percent of them advance into sport and and I think that's the biggest issue the products fantastic but things like all of the senses a little bit of wholesale that nine one will notice is costing us a huge amount of money which couldn't be awful thanks very rich told. Carrie Jones intensity and after the break on inside supercars we'll be back with Jamie wing CAP. Each week joined the inside sport team as they look at all the news from across the Scalia. Yeah Yeah I mean it means a lot. In through the years a lot of reference this race is one of our majors. Six hundred miles around here is no easy. Task Arose. Big little tight. We don't keep our start with the family inside modest broadcast on community radio on sport. Radio DOT COM dot U.. Joining the conversation. Post your thoughts on radio. Hi spoke page. I am Jones From the cool dry racing team and you're listening to insult civic. Als Causes Me Talk to rise. Twenty seven J wind up again on the podium as you say but I wanNA talk about it and you position voyeur. Let thing on the commission. Yeah it's something. Obviously that's been brewing within you. You own a share of the the business and giving drawing fifty years. It was about that move to go on the commission. Yeah I find the idea without day at six months ago and and then Just last week I commissioned him to nominate for the Commission. I realized a couple of easy the guy that I want to be involved with the sport for a long time to come and I realize that I wouldn't be driving fulltime forever so I needed to come up with that succession plan on how to stay in the sport in and Mike Difference Fish dipping starring was to to shareholder of attainment very very thankful thankful to be a shareholder AAA which which will grow on as the east go on and Now being a commission member I can hopefully. I can make okay. I can make a difference I really want the big point. And one of my cases some really intelligent high a high quality people already on the Commission on the boat and within supercars. So it's GonNa be really difficult for me to be too late match that potential chill all over the better bet. If IT ADMIRAL ADM Austalia into it Detroit to try to make a guy so the last thing I want to do always just just just be there on the sodomite numbers I wanna make sure that that can can mike difference and that's going to be challenging but Audience dear wife from any hardware challenge all okay and have a crack one of the things. I found terrific to actually hear from couple of team owners was that you bring a perspective. That hasn't really been there before I account. Remember what your exact ages you've grown up with social media it's being a part of your driving career virtually from when you step into professional motorcycle. Yeah Yeah and and that is their previously. We didn't have that outlook on. Yeah she's something you can add to the spectrum. Yes so the world's world's changing And the the the the the ones that's not the strongest civil intelligence survive. It's the one that can adapt to China if they're the ones that The survive in this day and age are yes. Yeah on salt younger than most of the people on the on the committee and the board and in. But we've got the teeny child's over got the the The mighty starnes as well so on the recent youth as far as management guys in the mix but all. I'm hoping yeah of course I think it's important important to have somebody on the commission that is not so much a current drive someone's driven the consular last couple of years. Yeah we make decisions on numbers. We make decisions on on. I'm Angie nearing analysis bass if I can bring to the table years of felt that drought warning of saying drop a warning system of used it. What that that softwares like when it was yeah driven through that corner that we're talking about that could opinion that gravel trap of experiences experienced? That felt augie books so And then not that all had the answers. But hopefully I'll be able to ask the right questions to be to be able to get the answers to their full as recruit. We might their decision on hoping to bring something to the type of a law. Oh going on and save. I can make a difference or all the Mike and Difference or get told to piss off and go back to the bucks walks but all other all I'll I'll definitely give it all trade. It like everything else in my life and I'll give it up so everything I'm sure you will one less what is commitment to what. What are you actually have to do physically as into time load? It's a massive time commitment. Shy of probably disowned touring on cinema in a law for For the next year for the next two years Like anything like anything in any business you can put in a little bit and make a little difference. We can put in a big effort and Mike and Mike a different module. Right now is to understand Dan Got To where it is right now. So that's got through old older commission night's loss three to five years Guy Throw the history of the spillway way we come through through derailed tearing cows through this guy through because a nail the supercars and and then we're gonNA move onto the two thousand twenty two so I just really want to understand the sport I understand the history of the commission Went on to say what we're trying to sell. What what what is what are we trying to do and end There's this many people committing so much time and if it into the sport As far as drives goes for the teams gus fires fan by Scottish Some people have a physical commitment involvement. Some people have an emotional involvement. I but it doesn't matter there's so many people involved and the Commission Mitch. The job of the commission is to ensure that DIS DIS people at the commitment or their investment into the sport is protected and One with Stugatz sport for a long time to come to a really good sport one of the best in the country twenty-five covering the school and thoroughly delighted that you are on commission. Oh thank you thank you. I'm I'm sure I speak. Maybe not thousands or tens of thousands but there are people who are very glad you thank you jamie pardon the pun on descended pull my finger out now and day something with it. Thanks to Jamie Wayne cap the break and then it spread Jones talking pitstops and flying in from uh-huh America Dr Jeff slighter joining us here on inside sue because with Craig reveal and tiny woodlock h wait joined the inside motorsport team as I look at the news across the street and around the world here in formula three. I think the fantastic environment may be doing away from the sustainable career in such as fast because an astrologer is can talk back in. I mean they're the right to the inside. noticeboard broadcast community radio and online at sportsxradio DOT COM dot U.. Joining the conversation. Post your thoughts. What's on facebook page and to ask a question email insiders at sport radio DOT COM dot? AU come out. Super Qazis is Ryan Story Aury from DJ team penske enjoy. Shall we say because I'm here with Bride Jones. The winning team from the business and Friday gene stops again. Your take as long Maggie. Naughty Naughty six hundred is best. Garneau Arnott's coward your team you you. They're always about moment for par- something that we've worked on US said WE NASCAR racing. An Oscar writes in you as a really important and so we used to spend a lot of time trying to make sure we got it all right and then when we started we we the Audis and certainly when we got into civic is we. We identified how reading it was pretty hot. But it's just you know working out in your your process in place to do that now. Jodi being tinkling built for politics you choose is well in part of the taint. So they've got to be able to do other things as well but you know we have stop. We'd practice regularly with that. I mean since you support come along and look at look at motion ratios of the guys and the best way to do it very early on. We had them involved in. And then it's practice you know we've tried lots of practice a little bit of practice and wake throat into way found to the point where a successful so It's not something that comes into seconds tights. These guys that are on the Korea on our team have been doing it for years. mm-hmm muscle memory. Now I think that's an important part of that and by but not so much that you You weigh your buddy out so you need to do it often enough that you You know have good muscle memory and you. You'll foss than you don't make any mistake. We went through a stage where we were struggling a little bit and we decided to have practice three times a day but thirty minutes and one of them was is everyone was starting to get injuries and breakdown side Sunday. We do twice a day. I ten minutes before lunch. Timmy's before we go home and works. Yeah well y you know where to make savings everything uh-huh catering you yes. It's everything you know. That's part of it but it's everything you know it's it's looking at you know you talk about the crew on the car. It's working out of these new. It's putting them in a position. And where whether the you know the lift of the go to the ride with I have less pressure on them putting you on Under a refuel or fees fees. You know there's so many things that contribute to making them comfortable because you're on his Boston just slowly sky Longhi Tricia in everything. It's all important according to main bring chefs to the races now. You wouldn't have done that twenty years ago. You actually have a practice Frankness rigged the is actually of which is a car. So it's just a six cylinder But it's got the running gear all of front rights and everything. He's out of a tree and it done and we use. But it's not a normal. You've got the Gods Alley. Make it closer to weekend to one of these two and it goes up at the same rate. It comes down to the same right so we put working to Mike in one of these. The grand old stories longer travel with you now that he's always been an important part of the crew you know he's he's out there we've been the Shiite each always played. I I thought it would be on this. The guys made us guys. Usually whether it's you and your brother Oh just The other crew here using strategy boys. You're always it's interesting. Strategy is one of those things. I'm really disappointed off the Baptist when we win without l. twenty-one on an icon is normally we can get back on the lab no problem but with these new rule where they were the blue flag at the mini rain. It's a real problem so you gotta provide with my life so I feel like civic is have to really get your life back really really difficult. got a very narrow window of that and it's depending on a lot of stopping so I I think something guy's name to look at for next season getting a little point and in enjoyed very old in regards. Something there's not any would've Jan Scott was you know some of my most enjoyable sport having Iran Nascar Scour no Scott racing and and Probably my greatest cirque reading motorcycle sites and tried to get a driving something. My never actually got an opportunity to drive over there because I would have been really interesting to see what happened if I go to change the run on. You know I wasn't going today today. Trying to run a daytime Talladega like the majority of these straightens. I wanted to go run places like bill. Richman have all you know other maybe a little bit but no might to begin the mall now maximum because so no never got that opportunity. Disappointing to me. Onus around twenty maybe maybe I can I keep my Mitch. You'll enjoy you definitely. Sharing stops is a very difficult thing kind of practice together so you don't you don't have that you you don't have that relationship you know you don't know what they're gonNA do so so ideally you would be entitled. I'm a control freak anyway by bringing control of your whole crew. Then then it's up to you how you go with this to participate. I said well it would depend on whether the Anthony One ear. Bud You you so right breed big with voice. WE'LL HAVE A. We had a pretty good. Christmas party is year and get turned overnight. Suggest it's going to be hearing. Chris thank you thank you. My final thought revolves engineers I was Fortunate enough to meet up with an old friend in Jeff slider who flew back from Royal Lanigan states in Columbus Ohio and It's a reflection on how well the engineers from Australia have gone overseas in the same away. Drivers so to engineers and Germy mole comes back at the end of this month to return to triple eight after two or three three years away. I've laced by before years away with the Porsche winning world championships in loans. But it's reflection on how the opportunities they a a young drivers engineers and mechanics tool Mike. My way in international motorsport so enjoy the show. And he's Jeff Gordon to insert Sir because we're talking with a rice engineering along wickson service panic but now has a position in Columbus Columbus Ohio with rail landing in sub shifts lighter. I K- doctor. He's the doctor engineering. The paddock no longer here but now in Columbus will to insert. Because thank you to an interesting issue end up there here in Columbus Ohio mentioned. It wasn't high on you and your wash Prices of where we want to leave. It wasn't those name though. The UH in the jumper and frayed of very cold weather and Columbus itself is a very cold environment is getting snowy It's just it's eight degrees at the moment but winter will be on the study degree Celsius really looking forward. You actually will accept before you put him on the Zilly. The carriage has the oil. Has We ate him of where you turn it. All it takes before I can try out the parking. Lots unbelievable. Okay so you'll your networking it's W. is and it has been some years I think this was the tenth or eleventh year here. Yeah Bobby Rial is putting together. Good good teams and people and things like that You had success. She had a couple of positions leopards Unfortunately fortunately we didn't get. We may go to seconds just a fortune for control the the win but then at Brisbane success team won on the Daytona twenty four hours. So we'll round it's this up and down. Okay now you have the Cavallo rising is a might. Can you tell us a little bit. The specs Acre it's basically a glorified. Gt three so it's a bit more engine down for house doesn't have a BS. GD three does but has food trucks control and basically the cup is the walkup and your drivers sir. have John Edwards American and Jesse Kareem Finished Journal. Okay he's worked for drivers to Call Not Philippi and Tom Blumquist or so to intellectual team certainly you work with. They're much but the majority of just off our American Monte nine percent of the off American. Today's to Australians. Entertain the daughter engineer. Okay being the vigil at ageism. Take that you're aware that over time absolutely there's a little sexual my disc every time I gotta sit down they get it from but it's a wasted okay. Okay so racy. North America Racine American stopping. He's very different to a story. That have you seen that evidence. Eddie come across horseracing weekend I think just the resources they have far exceed what we have here. Australian strategy is a very good with working within the budget to maximize the teams capability. Oldie of there. Having factory support a level money. The team used to be an INDYCAR team so a lot of resources bovine the seeds that you will ever see Make 'cause off what's because have you okay. The organization still not the different categories we as in the X.. Jp should celestial the which prototypes. What the rest of the Mon.? Jt Elem which is close. I am which is. Gt category that is Lamont. JT and J. D. which is a standard gt three okay now having worked takeout having great success with very fat. Jd says Super Continents Then it's a different able to take the budget so you have the resources to do. You can actually suggesting occurs well for example we've spent about four weeks just working on trying to point one of a second fuel-flow so now there's a lot more emphasis on try to maximize degree over. We can do. mm-hmm we have six fulltime engineers so it's reasonably small but they'll focused on certain areas so we have specific engineers engineers for the electrical side which systems engineers we have to perform attention as which More database but Heavily involved with it They both come. I'm from Full Milan from women's formula. One one was a former technical director in European once once Canadian wants European And then to race injuries which obviously the whole whole process until you can always He's he's America and he's from Ohio. He's been the fifteen years I believe he. DVD lots there and worked on some of the INDYCAR programs with Patrick and So He's grown basically ray whole in. How does this they? He's pretty much disagrees. More involved with Indycar side but at each round two. He'll pop up on the satellite just just to say hi and give us a bit of a motivational speech and yet so really the figurehead to this big But doesn't really get involved with any technicalities galaxies. These guys diesel to serve our time but collage There's been talk of potentially helping out with the third cadre the indy five hundred I wouldn't mind seeing what the process is. I haven't placed there and we'll see what the future holds that certainly At this price. Yeah I five hundred. Wouldn't be a bad thing to have a mentor. And I always like coming tonight by Tim. Scenery amounts when he came it was first Baptist and of course he'd made it hole fifteen twenty five hundred and Sarah. Can you do you guys do race day better. It was raining build up to the rice the because the five hundred s tonight spectacle. It is but it's over. Ah used to be a month's period. The build up is just slow him for a long whereas a three or four days but race days with the deficits deficit add living Columbus. Follow obviously weatherwise a minimalist from the Gold Coast. Some all is very similar to what the gophers weather is winter. Yes I'm all thousand miles away delivering extremely. Well look forward to your and thank you guys with shifts. Follow thought for this week. We'll tiny much I thought is in and around. What was a boring rice too boring races? If you like and the discussion over era now if you listen to the drivers and vice I that the arrows jumped about thirty percent this year with the development of the Mustang and then the subsequent changes to the commodore the talking about knocking off fifteen percent of Arrow full next year and some people are saying that still no way Nia enough. If we continue to have Rice's like sort of the Gold Coast they need to knock about fifty percent of the aero off because cavs cannot follow as close enough to be able to make a pass. It's all being done on toil off. And that's also got nothing thing against Kevin's ties. That's not the best way to run your moderation series. In my opinion. We've got to get these guys back to weigh the fast I enough but raceable and until they rice. You don't have good rising and that's it for another week of insights because Craig. It's not for me and good night from him. Good not inside. Supercars is produced by thunder media tune in next week for more at Sport Radio Dot com donahue or locking the podcast on your mobile device search inside supercars.

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Here's too many more beautiful years together. Ten Sixty Key D. U. S. Tempe Phoenix and selects HD two Scottsdale Phoenix. This program is paid for by the JV sports. LLC and its partners. You're listening to the JV sports shoe talking NCAA in Hawaii Juku Community College, and High School Sports, and now here's your host genes booby and Vince Stuart CEO. Good Morning Arizona welcome to another edition James James Alongside longtime broadcast partner vessel, ezio Vez another week from home but it's a great show. We got a big one today. My friend we got we got a big win, but we got a lot of good things on the horizon so much we WanNa talk about there's a little a there are some things we Can say some things we can't quite say, but it's common guys. It's coming the storm is brewing. It's all coming together as you mentioned. Vince we're we're still working to things obviously were doing our Thursday night football schedule as we speak right now, and so a lot of things are planning to that we're talking to coach is making sure that the the new. Teams playing each other, not not some of the same matchups that where we had before but That's okay. We're doing our best schedule put together and. You know I don't know if you've heard vest, there's been some rumblings in our camp with our producer, Greg Jones and thanks. Yeah, he is demanding. nachos onsite for these games or or or or maybe deal off I mean we believe it I can't either we give him a bottle of water once in a while. Well when we have an extra one, right when we have an extra of course hospital have any. So No yes, and but you know what it and getting back to this Thursday night football. It is so exciting that finally our first game if it's it'll come to fruition. It's coming guys October first Thursday night will be our first game. We're going to schedule a couple of Saturdays in there as well just to make up and get some of these teams that that we couldn't go back in in fit the first time around I, think James we're going to end up broadcasting probably eight nine games total all the way through November fourteen, th I think Oh. I should have a pretty full slate vent. So it's working pretty well right now. So we're really excited about that and I see that we have a couple of people checking in with us now that they must've heard about this Nacho fiasco. We're we've actually got the Queen of Arizona High School football joining us right now, trust. Trust says she is she Did she call into the studio to is she on the air? Yeah. I can hear you how are you trust her? Good. We're doing good. How are you? Man. We're talking about, Nachos, we need to know our producer Greg Jones who is He's got his ucla gear. On. Right now, Greg, how are you, sir? So we hear this you were possibly boycotting. This is tire thing if you're not guaranteed Nachos at these venues, is that correct? Nobody's on the phone with you Erin. You guys call into the guy's gotTa call into the Studio Golden. Calling on your cell phone if you can't. Trust. That we want to get some word from you. Now we know that you you're a big fan of NACHOS and the Arizona High School football scene. So give us a couple of schools that you. That you look forward to every year. You're like, Oh, I, know I'm looking forward to week five they they got some good stuff out there talk to us about that. Be My four seasons I've got quite A. Creative particular because he's. Not only. But like layers of silly. As many. Cycles. Dr. I don't know. If he goes are going to work. I. So, trust a trust I'm sorry to interrupt you but we would absolutely love to get you on the air with us the radio, who would it be possible that you can call into our studio also so we can put you on with us on the air it. Okay six, zero, two to sixty, ten sixty. But I have a question while you're doing that I have a question for for both of you guys. Greg is on your. Address, who who is dialing in my question is this I used to work snack bars when I was coaching part of my part time Gig is, is to try to help raise money for our team and the NACHO cheese sauce guys. We that stuff is like it. It doesn't even get impacted by nuclear war. We used to leave that stuff out and not save it for the next week. It didn't even go in the fridge and then we pop it in the microwave and it was good to go I mean is that? Are we talking about the same thing here? What are we talking about Greg? Be Laverick. Is Great but it's all about the other. Like. Little. All kinds of stuff on there? Yeah. What do you think trestle is that or is this like manufacturing cheese sauce? What is it? When You're. On the. Off. Okay. A little. Action home. coast. Scene of often for. Our. nachos out on the west side yeah. I. Censor. Desert. Anything. Ran. Also. That the Keno Vanessa's you know. When you're out and about. Multiple look. Sure. Yes. That is talking yes. Broadcaster problems. Do you share your Nachos or do is it like absolutely? Oh No. And you know if I. I've gotten emotional category. You can have that law. It sounds like this is one of the prerequisites for Thursday night football. Game of the week teams that you guys got to have. Good Nachos. To implement in your. House learn. Definitely this definitely into the rescheduling of Thursday night football. So hopefully, the teams are listening there on the fall right now with the booster club or whatever, and maybe getting a wheels rolling on this thing hopefully. Mountains about. Him. Coming back to. Fall, exactly. What's what's the Creme de la creme what's the best one you've ever had? Rich takes the cake. Cold. Out there. Okay. Man We're going to desert risen events right? Okay. Let's seth. Band sounds. Football. Teams. Always ground and pound and. Are. Knows Football Team Trust from Arizona, family catcher on TV tonight you'll be Acre sports desk. Thank you so much for joining. Really appreciate you coming on the air and we look forward to seeing you throughout the high school football season. Thank you, trust. So, G. L. Jones Greg is our is our producer producer last couple of years helped out with the US Mike. Nesbitt show as well as our football game broadcasts finally got a long way God. Years. Tell us what what Kim can expect this year that's new and innovative from the sports will broadcast grew when we do our Thursday. Game of the week. Well, we're stepping it up a little bit more on bylines. Year. ACURA click. Into, the game. So we're adding a few little extra those. Things down there to kind of catch the actions that you can feel the hits when they come. All right. Really super excited about it because you know. Sports I mean. We gotTA step our game. He's been broadcast and go good but. We're going to try to be better than that. So multiple cameras, we gotTA sideline reporter in Britain Boyer and and it's just GonNa be a lot of action lot of graphics pre-game show halftime, show lot of good stuff. Do we have the pair microphone on order yet? So we can kick those hundred ships there. Sounds. Picks up all that greets up. We work like the cool silence ask the guys who are. Clear satellite, plexiglass satellite digital. That is. Are we gonna Mike up any coaches either or? Going to be making up the rap that we can get that action alstead. Probably, a lot of acting happening out there with that, 'cause you know they love to throw the laundry on the field. So that'll be fun to watch and I. Don't know we try to you know we still work in a few things. I don't want to give you all the details as well. We can't let it all out yet GM. You GotTa Keep Them Suspense Right? That's correct. That's correct. But you know you know we really I'll be on I'm looking forward to. Really great opportunity for us and actually for all the all the young men that we're having opportunity to play this. I was GONNA. Work. Because I I I. Even, our I will confess even up until Wednesday. Afternoon he was still may saying. So that's okay. That's okay. He he's a he's a guy that needs concrete information to work off of because let's face it. He's in demand that's Yup and and he's played and and sometimes you might get out busy Greg Jones services but you never know so. Greg we we honestly could not do this without you. You are the foundation you're the found. Well, you're the one that makes makes it go you make us look semi-good. Can you work on that by the way? Look good. said it just? Yeah, just. Yes little airbrushing. Maybe maybe. A. Yellow pages, the truck. Like my by Napoleon. Same Hyper V. Your neck with him I feel it. was either. Pierre. I don't WanNa talk about division to I mean we're pretty good over here. And you know I'm here. CA. Scottsdale. Right now he's super excited about. Being able to play this year. I know we're small school, but you know we're small school with big Art we come to play. He doesn't matter what is playing we're coming with it doesn't Matter Sport we'll take author. Jill Jones and anyplace. But you know another conversation we can get into later but hey, have a good weekend with your son tell them we. I noticed you've. Got Ucla. Honor I'm sure he's a member of the blue devils drumline. He's a fantastic. Fantastic. Coming right back James who do we have coming back with us after the break, we're GONNA be joined by head coach Kelly more from the book I hawks and Brandon Harrison tornadoes from the Copa Ram. So Seiichiro tuned for show and we finally got. The first of many appearances, Paul? Thank you, Greg. Your Body. We'll be right back here on the JV sports show they to go. Gets the Doug leap show weekdays from one to three pl right here on key US am ten, sixty and online at Keady US ten. Cow. 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Waiting for for things to to more or less settle a bit more. But speaking of more the ones that have jumped right in and ready to go and feel confident in and or you know leading the pack here in joining us on the line. Is none other than the man, the mental legend? Buckeye high school head coach. Kelly Moore coach Good Morning Sir Good Morning Good Morning I. I almost had to throw up after that. So thank. You are the eternal optimist you're like the the brightest guy in the room and all times and you have been to so many places done. So many things been in the pinnacle of your profession seen the highest of high seen the lowest of lows still come out unscathed and here you are today and you know navigating your team through. The past few months and you're is positive in geared up and ready to go is ever. Will Affect also also I've. Had great reason to be that way. Right serve a great God I better be light on top of it. We're blessed to have every day that we have coach. You're exactly right about that. We try to make definitely the most of it how much time you get your team lately about when you guys got sorted really get together again on a normal basis, and then where are you at as far as phase one phase to contact their shoulder pads and helmets what's going on there? We. Are we're creeping into it. It's been about We didn't have contact with our kids for most of the six months. You know other than virtual our kids took it upon themselves and. Our. Down in a park working on things but she's been such a crazy blessing. It's crazy literally crazy just the development of them emotionally and mentally. the way they came back. There are a lot more hole in their mind which has been good and then we. Started off as one want to save three weeks ago, and after the first day we were suspended for a week I it's it's on me. It's all myself. You know we were trying to get things organized walking kids through where we were going to go and I just did a horrible job of getting into organized, and so we were suspended for a week. So we got to come back. We've been out for a week and we're still unfazed well, I guess that was two weeks ago, and then phase one started or face to started this week for us, which means literally didn't mean anything except we got the touch a football around with this spray bottle. You know and try to. And you know I I'm kind of making fun of it, but it takes we don't care. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. We just want to do what we gotta do Is this it's near and dear to us because it's Buckeyes one hundred year of existence. Yeah, and and so to be denied. you know that that would hurt and I think it would hurt our community just not the football is the most important thing in the world, but maybe this year it is. Well. Not only that in you know obviously taking every possible safety precautions before you feel the how what is the mindset now of your team knowing that we're GONNA play a season in our first game is going to be Friday October second is is it does feel real now or is it still touching go? How does it feel? Well threw me back to nineteen, sixty, eight played in high school and I've guys coaches were all laughing about. It was the the first suspension helmet. We actually had to bars instead of one things like that. because. It feels the same way. You started two weeks ahead of time. You know you had some days which we're not allowed to do all that. Anymore, but we got four weeks to do it but you know what everyone else is in the same boat basically, you know some people of course have personal trainers not a Buckeye but that's all right. We got four weeks ago and we look forward to open up the season I think everyone will have a greater appreciation. To be able to do it. Coach A Nice segue right there I was gonna ask you since the kids have been back together and coach. With the kids have you noticed maybe a little bit more attention to detail. You talk a little bit earlier about there. Maybe a different mental attitude maybe a little bit more together with all that are they a little more appreciative of the game now and trying to do little things a little bit more right than they would have before. got a chance. With this thing we we gotta make the most of it. I think initially that was true and then about Wednesday. We're kind of slipped backwards and we had a little come to Jesus. Meeting. Actually literally at the end to practice the kiss the copter shoes. And we treated the feel only ground I mean literally would you get him to walk across the coals which smokes with the? Yeah. Yeah. I mean because because it's easy when you're tired is easy when you know you turn the ball over, it's easy when hard times come to mess it up and so they just needed to get a shot back into reality and the cool thing is immediately right back on it in and we've got a special group of kids tell you. Well, you have a pretty special staff to you. Obviously, you can't do it alone. Tell about those guys that have been. All Through all this? I don't know if you want the whole story I'm I'll give you a little bit of it. You know a couple of years ago we start praying for coaches start praying for athletes. to to come you know and let us be opportunity for guys. We have. I'm glad you gotta sit down. We actually had one coaches. Twenty drilling money. We have depending on the day eight or nine freshman coach. Now, if you're a freshman, the worst thing that can happen is you don't get coach because there's only two or three guys in kind of normal. And they ended up quitting and they don't come back or you know all kinds of bad stuff. We have more coaches perkins on the freshman level a basketball. Wow hilarious. Now. In or the all the all reside in the community there and a lot of community fried obviously guy so. they just dropped out of the sky and can I do this kind do that? Can you of course stand. And it's been a real adjustment with our core coaches that the core guys. Because, they've actually had to give up some of the stuff that they do. You know it's kind of weird, dynamic? The organization. Is. An ongoing Mirage for me I I've been holding added and tried to get better at it because there's so many guys. But I think once we hit the field legit like on Monday I think everyone's is going to be low this. This is going to be fun. Working crowded in the coach's box. Repressed boxer for all your coaches. That's when you guys back on the field Monday. KOSAKA. About some of your. Star players if you will and who are some guys that are going to really carry the mail this year for the Buckeye hawks. You know that that's A. That's a question we don't have answer. We don't have. I'm we've got some talented kids and in different positions you know. That's that's great. But but honestly, we're sitting in the office on. On yesterday. Trying to figure out who's going where what it looked like, and then when we get pads skin going to be able to get that done and we don't have the answers. Yet you know we have, we have some kids that are potentially four by one kids I know that are the senior kids tim crop. Tony Johnson, you know what? I'M GONNA forget kids for sure camera bails. They won't let you forget to take. On Richardson, but you know what was all those guys? What I really want to say, I, can't say. But let's. The GUYS UP FRONT We're going to be we're going to be. At least half of our squad, Bercy wise is going to be sophomore as. A lineman. And we we got some kids that are coming. So the opportunity for our seniors, L. D. is seeing senior Frank Gardner Yoga Amanullah who else let the Army Corps guys up front. Yeah got a real opportunity to lead. So that's going to be bill. Well, that's very important. Coastal. Those guys up front to be able to Gel and play together is unit for not just one season but a couple of seasons that road really get that not my communication down upfront on the line. Let's face it all this front for sure. Now. So so sorry to cut you off. It's just. We had three seniors up because we're actually heading out travel bags to put gear into 'cause, they can't use the locker room. You know they lose belts kneepads even when they do have a locker so. And so we're giving out handbags but. The camera bails kids across kid hoyle DSP you came up with an idea. Hey, coach, can we take the special bags? Travel bags and give them to the sophomore. Let's give them to them while so. that. I can. Arcade man go check their heart out in our in our final minute. I would like you to tell us I. AM looking forward to the post game ritual that's Oak. The game is one thing but the post game when we get out there on what are we gonNA do? Well on my mouth just watered up a little. I got. Coach. Guy Named Tony Yonker Cafe Twenty Five, thirty, five amazing man. He's GonNa put out wing. So we go to the winner goes after the game goes down to his shop and he puts out wings for the winter. The wings are not on the menu he does that on purpose. Or that oh He Him and his staff down there are incorruptible which great here's that yes? Yes. Alright Kelly Moore. Let me tell. You more for joining us here on the J. High School phyliss. We couldn't get a miracle Rams head football coach Brandon Harris will hopefully get him to call in another time but coach more always entertaining. Thank you so much and thanks for allowing US access to you and your team, and we look forward to covering you. In the coming months likewise now, we can't thank you not I mean the whole. Football is grateful for you guys working your tails off force. Guys, we could do without you if they're listening great coaches and great claims around the state of honor, we have nothing to cover. So thanks for joining us. We appreciate it. We look forward to here in a few weeks. That's it. All right. You take care. James if I had a hall of fame set up besides Eddie Van Halen and Sammy Hagar coach Kelly. Moore would be that hall of fame. All right. Coming up after the break. Hey, coming up after the break would be joined by Arizona Varsity Zach Vira he also writes for varsity extra as well, and he's going to help us preview some of this newly released Arizona School football schedule. We're GONNA go over a couple of games in east division and just talk about some Musi action coming up this fall here in the state of Arizona. So stay tuned on the sports show we'll be right back with. Davy. 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This is coach Nate Holtz, former Dome College, University Linebacker, an new head coach at Scottsdale, Christian Academy. Eagles, and you're listening to the JV sports show. Checkout Katie USA M ten, sixty on one hundred point seven KS selects hd two at HD radio on one hundred point seven, number two. Longest. Said Goodbye. To. Lose. Still, the. Let's get Falke on a Saturday morning ladies and gentlemen. JV Sport Show begins. Now here all your co host, James Poopie and grits alassio. Love Kevin Dairy there. It doesn't get much better than Katie, B and Billy Joel. Right there. Hey. Jamie sports show thanks for joining us here on a Saturday morning we're joined now by. I would say one of the Arizona High School, Football Gurus, Vets Zach out Vira. Young he's like look at that face. He's got a baby face. He's eighteen and he's He's very knowledgeable and that's why we got him on more. Scheduled to release a couple days ago people were literally chomping at the bit waiting for that to come out hoping that we're not going to get pushed back further, and so we wanted to Zach on here to join us this morning and just talk about some of those Musi gave go up the season's Zach. How are you? I'm doing well, guys except me on I really appreciated it although I would not call myself. Well the thing I've learned about nicknames you don't give yourself a nickname if you the nickname yes, that's true. That's how it should be. So give us some of those musty games maybe go around divisions a little bit. Let's talk about let's to eight matchups four eight divisions looking really tough. Obviously, there are some powerhouses in six a as always. So this little synopsis of what's going on in the season. Yeah. So you know. Especially one of the game that I'm looking forward to is actually Santan charter at Andrews Valley now. These SANTAN charter obviously carry cavers there. Yes. You Know He. He's very passionate about team which obviously any coach should be. Content I'm sorry Santa Cruz Valley. That's that's a good football team is good. For Charter teams that just came from the Canyon Apathetic Association so that one I'm really excited. One Santa Cruz bit the mix for the last couple of Years Zach and coach Rashard Davis down there is always a good product on the field. So that's GONNA be. Oh Yeah. I think they made the semi finals last year in two ways. I mean huge test right out the gate. One other to eight games I'm actually really being a re crap out in Gilbert. They were an eight-man ball games. So they're moving the eleven man division. Now at this point, still you know court Smith over there had done a job kinda resurrecting that program after they year off actually. So You, how abuse hold on a second exact court Smith that name sounds familiar. He was coaching somewhere else. I think he was I can't remember. He's probably GONNA is that Larry Smith son the late Larry Smith. For. Sure on it. Okay. I thought he was at McClintock maybe I have it wrong So. There is a coach Smith over at up. Okay. Okay. Many apologies to mcclintock staff if you ask. Your coach isn't going anywhere. All right. Go Ahead Zach. Sorry to interrupt you but. Three I really liked the humor Catholic s Phoenix Christian match up I mean everyone knows you make Catholic is you know? It's Yuma mechanic. They've always been a powerhouse program as Christian. Obviously last year had a really really good season that they made it do. Really went actually went to the state title game if anonymous vacant and they did yes, alley correct they lost that one round valley coach Bryan Cole done a great job over there. Cylinder great staff a couple of guys on the staff there for a long time that fiends Christian and. That's going to be a great match up and that's right out of the gate twos Zach. That's week. One, right? Yeah. I've got one. Out of the Games I have, there's a lot of week one. Year, but for four, I'm actually going to go to week three. Creek, atmosphere. that. Yeah that one is. Obviously, three H flashier mosquito four H. Champ they return. Just. About everyone I mean I thompson, you have high comes on the field and you're GONNA win. Flat out. So that's going to be some kind of master part there La Queen Creek I mean, they just all he did once they championships and they got tired of coach Edwards do with that. So this you gotta go open and have some competitive games coach in the floor and he's he's done that too. So fantastic football out there quicken and you talk about Mosquitos and Tie Thompson forget about. I mean high weapons all around He's got a six foot four tight end. You've got to feed drum the outside that can blow by gender I mean. The. Default Mickey, this year GonNa be ridiculous I saw it in practice. In Thomson conflicts wrist and get it sixty yards down the field test for him which is you know you would expect that from the start that so. Exactly Zach I have a question for you. Now with regard to to Phoenix Union opting out for the fall. All false Ford's I know a lot of the the the schedules were made up that included Phoenix Union teams how are these teams going to rebound now where I mean what what are they gonNA do are they gonNA have a buy in their schedule that you can go back and reconfigure their schedules? What's going on? So, David Hines this question actually last time I spoke to him and. He said that the has the ability to kind of trait and independent scheduled for teams that either jointly or end up not having games because of a reason like this so. My guess is they're gonNA try to fill their schedule with you know, maybe teams in the conference maybe they'll go up or down it's. Those teams that WanNa, play them or not one of the teams to mentioned. North Canyon. They had I think four by by I might be exaggerate on that but they had a few of their games up the extreme school. They. didn't out with going from an eight game schedule probably down to like four game scheduled. So you know obviously ends up fill that especially if they want powerpoint because you know a four game schedule depending on, you know who you play do for this year to get into you know why? I guess maybe later seat. I should say but. We'll be big now Zach you mentioned all those great gains right out of the game especially like week one or even week to there's some great up as well as a as a media member Esselin covering high school football how you decide what game to go to that's gotta be crazy standing at one feeling going man I wonder what's going on. AM. I missing just a Juggernaut over at Hamilton right now over the West Valley somewhere I mean how does that work or you guys just divvy draw straws or what goes on there? Man Eighty. Tough especially for me obviously, which you know with. The do my thing a little bit. I'd be my pod fat and I'll write it up. But you know my full time job is perversity extra I covered the. So that's a great fulltime job. I can't even I don't even want to tell you what I do for a living. Boy. You know I cover our he also I cover ALEC BBC Gilbert. camp. you know I even I even did my my calendar Scottsdale occasionally. I, it's hard. It's hard because you know. What we should one I think we have. Sandler facing liberty and I'm going to spoil the big day a little bit here. But Tennessee liberty victims every one but. Also facing Hamilton that weeks. Flying Oh, man. Wow. I mean that's the thing I love going to do the Games and I and I love them. But boy, you're missing a lot of action when you're covering and there's there's so much going on all around the valley at the same time sack, some sleeper teams, who who do you have some some teams that are flying under the radar nobody really is paying a lot of attention to, but could really do some damage. Man Any division. Like desert say. You know coach Cock over there. They're a blue collar program their physical. Punch you in the mouth every time they step onto the field and air returning a very good quarterback, Austin holes, and then athletes as well, and especially the deal line, the offensive line position they could really surprised quite a few teams one other one that I really like honestly. They're not. To wonder the radar but Queen Creek I think is going to break into the open this year. Wow Wow, you heard it here first clean creed coach Joe Germaine Back at the helm there for the bulldogs and you mentioned that six division it's always tough as well and some outstanding match I can't wait for the season to get started and. There's GonNa be some amazing stuff. It's wide open. There's a lot of variables year some kids some teams are down players that they thought they might have and they don't have them now or maybe different coaching staffs but it's GonNa. Be Interesting all the way round events we need to get. Zach in the booth with us we'll get him our schedule once we get it finalized for Thursday night game of the week and. Talk if it works out at one of the Game Zach in you show up, see the thing about it is said, you guys how you guys get in for free but they make me pay even when I tell law. They make me. Yeah. So I don't know why. In on your coattails I. Don't know or or James Maybe I. Got To say, Hey, I'm a I'm a I'm a buddy with Zak. There's probably. Won't. Be. called. Hazak in the last couple of seconds here we have with you make sure let everybody know where they can find you on social media. You mentioned you have a podcast as well working people listen to that. Yeah. So on twitter is dot Vira. gave. The IRA I do have a podcast for take it easy sport show with Eric and easiest just and the really clever on our part. Of Our. Those being released kind of on a weekly basis and all our articles. Either with Barca the. Vira. Thanks so much for joining. Say It's about the slivers, the JV right. Fountain. Yes Oh, Zach. Thanks again coming right back. Stay tuned. Guys. We got our own funny man carefree insider Ralph Feral. US. Here on the JV sport show stick around we'll be back. Hd Radio is here for Keita Am ten sixty check out your favorite shows and Games on one hundred point seven KS selects hd two. 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The town of carefree. We got this guy named Ralph Ralph Farrell and Ralph is. James, you remember the Godfather series, the godfather movies everybody knows, ok. Well, there was a guy in their nate a rough duval played a guy named Tom Hayden he was the consul Eerie. He was the guided the counselor. He was the guy that you went to. When you needed protection you needed to know something he insurance you on things the best way to go about something that's Ralph Ralph, my council Gary Constantly era good morning. Hey about time you got me gene. Marshall. House? Yeah. There's a process we go through to. Your lining up more people on on the commercials. Geez you're going to be going to be like a typical radio TV show with fifty dollars for every five minutes of show. We gotta pay the Bills Right. Oh. We got subsides a short commercial break. To. Give me a half a minute. Yeah. Well, tell you the truth Vince I'm very sad this week. This is a very sad week here. All the. Met Fans Back East and everything I mean you know who passed away this week? Franchise passed away this week. Come see. Her. Mean I mean that I I was watching the MLB. Tra- credit tool and then the ESPN and it brought tears to my eyes boats both shows I mean, it just was my that's me. I mean I I want that guy grow up and I'm playing baseball and. Shea Stadium and all that stuff in the and it's funny. Just a year ago a book came out called A after miracle and it was written by our Champ Ski. Hem and a bunch of guys went up to see seaver in two thousand eighteen. VINEYARD UP IN Up in new. And pictures in the academic was still see her but you could tell you kind of look at his face and stuff. So you knew there was something going on even back then too. So it's a shame seem the I mean they're saying he died a covert, but he died dementia. was I mean covert. So so that's it. So it's been really a a rough couple of days because like I said been really tight. My my heart used to be you know it's still is with the dodges, but the mets will backup guys and for years. It was the franchise. There's no doubt about it I. mean it it three Cy Young. Awards. You know help them win the world series and sixty nine I mean before that before he came a-, they never went above five hundred until the sixty nine series I mean it was truly a miracle truly. Sixty nine rows watching those basic bets out. Well, the funniest you should bring that up I had a job at. St Occupancy. Really wasn't a patient except. At the hospital. was a hospital featured in one flew over the CUCKOO's nest. It was as I was watching it on the ward with I was with the I. I worked on the war with a bunch of young kids and all of them were from New York City. 'cause we were out on Long Island and it was fun watching the game on TV TV was up against the wall up hanging from the ceiling behind iron grading so he couldn't throw things at it so. Why I, watch most of the black and white. They used to have the Games during the day you know. So that was where I watched, and so I have a vivid memory of the sixty-nine. World Series Very. You were posted up the nervous hospital as a sewing blade licensing. Ralph what's going on around town? Tell us about you mentioned to me the other day about some moving and shaking with the with the. Commission's as chancellor was that something you wanted to talk about? I said I don't know if I'm allowed to say this publicly yet because nobody listens to our show. You're allowed to say. Look. Gary said that that might be an opening on the Planning Commission and he's We willing to apply. But how did that come about? How is there an opening on that commission? I have no idea supposedly some of the junk, all the gentlemen it's on, there might want to retire so okay I. Don't get an opening and but was it by choice or is he being? He's? Is He being ushered out because? He's he's getting older. He wants to retire a why do you want to stay on it all for for a long time if you're not feeling up to it and you know So. So the only thing is I, I went to talk to stacey was the pointing lady and I said I said, what did you do pissed off for the past week or so? This happened to you. Had to get you at townhall even more than go now. That's it. Now, I have another person to bug precise gary besides Steve our New Economic Development Guy Planning Commission appointed to too so I mean it's basically the whole town I have the my tips to. Drive. Crazy. How do you feel about football coming back? Are you excited? Well Yeah, if it does come back. Yeah. Ross. I'm started my friend I'm more of a college football guy than I am a pros and I'm all right because the pack twelve and and the big ten in all of those. Guys that, didn't, want to get back. So. Notre. Dame. Going to be playing this year. With. Some high school coverage Ralph. Yeah. We want you to come to the booth at halftime during one of our Thursday night football games gives us a little first half analysis. Would he say? Well it's not too far to drive you know I. Don't like driving at night I'm an old man now. So I don't like driving at night. Yeah but you got you you drive though you got to kind of look over your shoulder once in a while to from things in the past idea the maybe some people looking for. Trouble head on the swivel. Your concierge you got to watch out for that type of stuff. That's right. Oh Man this Guy James, I got to tell you this guy gave me such good advice throughout the I got reelected. Thanks to Ralph. Ralph was a big part of that. He gave me a lot of good sound advice. got. To keep your mouth shut. There's August is the mysterious guy named Fredo Vetoed. You actually. Rows might of actually at this veto. Well I told him don't answer to many questions. I mean, the press is not your friend. You know only speak when spoken to write and is is really buried under the meadowlands. Yeah. Keep it short and sweet well, supposedly they say. What's his name is is buried in so many different places that they must have divided up his body for. The same offer I mean these supposedly in that stadium in Jersey. So I heard that and then he supposedly someplace else and so they must have divided up his body and put them in different places. Thirty one seat north of the Sprinkler head in center field is what I heard. Could be they keep them nicely watered. Pop up again. But what are you doing this Labor Day weekend you got anything good going on anything. It's called staying home. Not. Getting out in any kind of traffic. Definitely you don't go north on Labor Day weekend in Arizona on the seventeen unless you. Know are you throwing anything on the grill this weekend? So hot you turn off the whereabout propane the. Night I don't do grilling. Teri does grilling it's OK. Okay. But we got. Real Renaissance Man Orange. Today I got my cousin's coming over. So it Angela Fred coming over today so It'd be a real Goumba Day. Derby coming on today the Kentucky Derby. I. Don't put my money on it so I don't watch it. All right. The funny thing is the Derby should have been made I. that's what it should have been. Yeah. So so what are you? What are you gonNA. Do you have anything special? When are you? GonNa Start Doing I. You should have high school football this year that you could do some. Yes. That's that's the plan and and we hope Ralph you. You were privy to this information, but we hope to announce a little more that hasn't been announced yet. President noses, Terry in a sealed. Okay. Next, we hope to have more to announce with that and yes, you'll. You know hopefully you'll be a big Horn of that as well because people need to see your mug they need to see. The. Time to time. All that stuff but I don't bother terry all that stuff. Okay. All right. Yesterday I saw your kid at at the Safeway. Yeah my my oldest son Noah works at safe. Is really he always been he makes it his mission to put the milk on top of the experts bagging groceries I mean. He he knows better than. To Terry Oh he's he's. Also. Do we bump it? What was it that Vincent Delessio Day at the Safeway I? Mean I know. Then your wife shows up with the two other kids. Watching you. All right tracking them down. You know. So that's that's the latest remark friend carefree insider. FERAL Ralph. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for coming on and providing some some levity here, and we look forward to talking to you want. To look that word. Up Levy. Hate. which was Seventy. Thank you, rouse. Right boy. James the of another great show another hour just glue by events I'll tell you what hey, everybody stay to get very special announcement coming shortly we're GONNA hopefully announcing. 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Weekly Rewind 12/16 - 12/20

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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Weekly Rewind 12/16 - 12/20

"Hey Yeah Jimmy here and you speak for yourself. You're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself. The sports world looks in order to enjoy this podcast. And this show you need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree. Speak for yourself. Isn't your twitter facebook. INSTAGRAM feet. Wide tells you what you need to hear and not what you want. So welcome aboard buckle loved and enjoyed will start New Orleans. Here's what we know. Definitively about saints quarterback drew brees as a leader and and competitor. He's on the same level as Tom. Brady and Peyton manning as an icon and role model for the NFL breeds is on the same level. As Walter Payton and Roger Roger Starbuck as a leader competitor icon and role model drew. brees is as good as anyone who has ever played the game as a quarterback. I'm not so sure. How should we view the New Orleans legend? It's going to be twenty or thirty years before we can accurately assess the level of drew. brees is great this last tonight in a nationally televised. Thirty four to seven romp over the colts breeze past manning. As the League's all time leader in touchdown passes and he said a single single game record for the highest completion percentage. When breeze retires? His numbers will say he's in. The conversation is one of the five best quarterbacks to ever play the game name I will object to that conversation. The Games rule changes over the last twenty years have favored. The quarterback position is less dangerous and far easier to play play than when starbuck Bart Star. Johnny United's and Joe Montana. Dan Marino play is breezy as good as Marino. I don't think so is breeze on the same level that was Brett. Farr not in my opinion if troy Aikman played in today's nfl how different with his passing stats. Look last night. Brees completed twenty nine of thirty passes. This is which is ninety six point seven percent. The percentage broke Philip Rivers record of ninety six point. Six Percent River set the record last season breezes forty years old rivers was thirty seven in two thousand eighteen. Why are old past their prime quarterback setting single game record? The degree of difficulty is being decreased for NFL. quarterbacks I heard Troy Aikman say on a game telecasts in the past two weeks that quarterbacks can throw into windows that you just couldn't. During his playing days the receives would be separated from the ball by linebacker or defensive backs helmet the NFL illegalize defenders leaving with their helmets. The the penalty for catching the ball over the middle or in heavy traffic has been severely reduced so as the price for holding the ball too long in the pocket former giants quarterback Phil Simms. Sims was the king of absorbing the delivery sack while still throwing the ball accurately downfield delivery sacks against superstar quarterbacks now often come with a fifteen eighteen yard roughing the passer penalty. Let me be clear. I love drew brees. He's the NFL's Modern Day Walter Payton breezes the NFL's man of the year every year. He's a first ballot hall of Famer but breeze. One of the five best quarterbacks ever play no is he in the top ten maybe but give me these nine first Brady radio. elway Montana United's Young Marino stall back manning and far breezes in a battle with star Tarkenton Bradshaw Rogers and Kelly for the last spart spot rule. Changes have allowed old quarterbacks to pad the stats twenty years ago. A forty year old drew brees would have been in the broadcast booth last night rather than on the field. Setting records are joining the desk now or Fox sports. NFL analyst Lavar Arrington and former NFL. Offense Jeff Schwartz Marcellus so get us rolling yet is drew brees without question. A top ten quarterback absolutely without question top ten. I mean what else does he have to. They do for someone to go out there. And not give him the proper validation of a top ten quarterback when he's number one and some major statistical go categories understand the inflation of the numbers but other greats have played in this era as well and have benefited from that same inflation. So when you have the touchdown record passing in yours record. Completion percentage record for wins and a super bowl win with a super bowl. Mvp I mean that kind of take us to a place where how many any other guys even have that resume let alone has been the leader of the organization as you said other attributes character off to fill leadership etc.. All thing's considered my former teammate. And a man who was in his win. That's right we would Akkuyu drew brees respect. The answer covered all right top team easily. Of course he is in the top ten discussion. I think I think there's so so many fine quarterbacks that have played During the course of time in this great game that he's into discussion and I think that that makes a ton of sense. We're we're thrown out super bowl appearances. Super Bowl wins. MVP's well ally. Manning has two super bowls super bowl MVP as as starting quarterback for the New York giants Super Bowl. Envy to right right are we have we are are we putting him. Are we putting him in that. Top Ten reasons why you went to the crazy man. Yeah so what I'm saying is right. Some of these guys are. We're basing their greatness off of of certain things like super bowls and different things like that like Tom Brady radio. I'm basing Tom. Brady being the goat off of how many times he has won the super bowl not necessarily based off of how well he has played as a quarterback. I think Jim Jim. Kelley should certainly be an atop tens conversation as a quarterback. He didn't win those big games and I feel as though we judge a guy like Jim Kelly only by his losses and super bowl versus his wins if he would have got though so to me I look at drew. brees his body of work what he has represented not not only as a player. But you WANNA talk about a human somebody who has done it the right way as a human I look at all of that value. He brings to the table and he has dot com. We congratulate you moving the goalposts thing because the question was is drew brees with our without stays in the discussion. And I think when you're in the discussion that's without question you're absolutely without question. Ruin atop the discussion is where do you put him in the top. Also let me clarify. Where do you put him in that? Top ten is up for debate as he and a top ten. I certainly believe so. I believe he's in the top ten. But I think when you get to this point. We're discussing all these different quarterbacks you have to look at how you play in the playoffs how you playing clutch moments argue the best player your position in any given year drew brees only been first team all pro one time and not won the MVP at all last year was his best chance of Pam homes. Had A record setting. You look at the list of quarterbacks to think he's more talented and better. Maybe play better than Dan Renault. Maybe get that but I don't let him get to the efficiency he's playing with right now. Okay yeah he's completing passes at a higher rate than any quarterback in history the NFL. I know it could've Clayton into line back. We don't know that but we don't. We do less address address. I think we've talked about this. We we kept projectile. We can't project out. I agree with you. It's a different era the way we cannot say definitively that would have done this and that I you in different era maybe Dan Marino choice to be different. You know we'll take him as he is now in this Zahra and in this era. He's the most efficient quarterback from for many years. Now you happen twelve fifteen years debt and you have to adjust to the given circumstances stances and environment that you are called to perform and I'm listen people as could Jim Brown. There's only a few that I would sit there and say from from air the air. They could do what they're doing. When did an air that did I love Deacon Jones the Guy Wrestle head slap coined the phrase sack could Deacon Jones be the defensive in today's NFL that he was an nfl he was in and I would say no? There are a lot of players. Would Jim Brown be able to be on. This might offend a lot of people. Get Them Brownwood Jim. I would not be Jim Brown in today's NFL. He would not be able to do the things he did and NFL he played late. In the game has evolved a game grows and it goes down different different areas technology. There's so many specializing using of skill is not the same. NFL So you have to be able to accomplish on a whole `nother level than what you would have days where they didn't have helmets whip but it doesn't diminish with Dan Marino did it doesn't but when you look at the I just think the long Chevy of how long he's done this at the high level he has without having defense when he's I know I'm the old man up here but my God there are other old men. They played this game watching this show right now and they know damn well that if these rules were intact did buckets my still be playing right now. You know the athletes. These were intact in those days instead of looking like postal employees who they were teammates with. Guess what they wouldn't have those same numbers. I'm always disrespectful. To older Eros because of of the typical athlete today is greater than he was yesterday. So you have to take that. In Consideration Look at anything the rushing attacks acts of teams right now was getting to minister running back. And you're going to sit there and say oh well I wonder why you know why because that positions being asked to do different things if you look at what. We're seeing now from the quarterback they're being asked to do different things and it's a seesaw. I just WANNA be clear if Jim Brown birthday. WORKDAY was nineteen eighty-seven instead of whatever. It was nine forty. Yeah yeah he would be a beast in this league your gas. Yes I tell you what I'll give you. I gave you the one of the multiple protective. Here's the objective. Jesse Owens we all know is it turns a greatness and gold medalist. Those same ran away from him. We'll go you say well. Jesse would've struggled to win a California High School State Championship in one hundred but time acting. Yeah I know get that today. Actually that like he wouldn't have access to all the training that we have now. The Diet that's that is a great point again all the DNA DNA speaks yourself. Tremendous right again. Now you plant him. In this technological air with all the advancements we have and I think Jesse Owens hold his own against holds on against anybody you saying saying that the tour but still being based upon is still being based upon the bodies of work if I look at I look at Barry Sanders Barry. Sanders has the ability the skill set to actually bury sanders was in whatever air he plays it. How many players can you really sit there? And can you say that here. You've really stunned. I get I do get emotional about Jim Brown. I believe we're having a conversation about drew. brees and Jim Brown has been slander. Damn Marino has been slandered. This is US Selana Jim Kelly. You didn't even tell you how to not saying he was part of. He's in the debate topsail for slander and like Dan Marino. I'm GonNa tell you what happened to these guys Montana visa for Dan Marino throw balls and it was legal for the safety to leave lows helmet close in separate the receiver from the ball. And and so all I'm saying is like some of these catches today would be incompletions because these in the linebacker the DB would separate them from the ball. There's no penalty really going over the middle. We gotTA respect somebody older people that did it in the air when football was a little bit more physically taxing succeed. And we just can't oh they re Ryan but now you're right. I had no rewriting it because now you can take an average player that was willing to Don beebe who was willing to catch the ball. Get get flipped over land on in this conversation but if we're defining greatness Bhai what the rules are allowing for and now guys now don't have to deal wait quarterbacks receivers they don't have to deal with the parameters or lack thereof and earlier days and I would look at our there's nothing wrong with a nuance conversation right. There's nothing wrong would have would be able to say you know what the rule changes have impact. It's no different than James Harden putting up forty points a game right now under these new rules and all this going on the extras. The astrodome dispute is. He is great scores. Michael Jordan no now people can have the conversely. Oh yeah he's a better score than my and I think you're crazy just the way. I think you're crazy for slandering Noam Brown here on this show. That's credit and get the situation like look. There was Jordan effect where people were minimized because they can live up to the resume of Michael Jordan and some of that is affected Dan Marino. Jim Jim Kelly. Because you couldn't live up to what Joe Montana was doing in the same era if you wanna stay within error but if you look at the totality is happening with drew brees drew brees in this era doesn't have the team success. Tom Brady and others but what he does. Have our numbers kind of like how Carmello must be leaving in Jordan. They were like look. Don't forget about got me breezes in that same real right I'll go here with your drew. Brees if they do what I think they're I think they're gonNA play in the Super Bowl and I think there are a hell of a threat to Baltimore tomorrow. Yeah he gets a second super bowl. I'm going to elevate him up in my top but just based on these inflated numbers birds that everybody's putting is look. I love Michael Thomas. But he ain't jerry rice and he's about to set a whole bunch of records in this new fantasy football league league. We're playing at the bar. But let's don't kid ourselves that he's Jerry Rice you know what's so funny about these conversations because their subjective we just sit here and lose our voice but when we have actual metrics actual objective conversations track and field is one where you could just look at numbers that inflation you have to fully fully respect of our top ten. I think we have six or seven guys from the previous era if not BC era and turn them United's install about but but there are still a Montana. They're still elway Marino. A young who didn't have the that we fully respect but not everybody gets brought in with that overflow. Oh some of them have to stay behind. I think the air represents a lot of of how we should judge you should be judge them by their greatness based off of air and the reason why I say that is because when you get into the discussions of a James Harden versus a Michael Jordan are we talking about a drew brees versus a Joe Montana. You have the base you have to look at it from the standpoint of the blueprint was was written by by Michael Jordan. You have more players now who trained specifically thickly to be able to develop their skills to do things that Michael Jordan has has done. There were far and few less players capable of doing the things that Michael Jordan did. Then you do now show that. We'll talk full. Yes he hears. And I'm sorry for bringing Jordan. You'll probably slander him. And you probably Vietnam just blocked it out. Here's what I'm saying. All right hominids in your air. Yes so when I started rattling off. The names Tom Hombre. Oh He's won a couple of MVP. John we're all I think he was. Mvp Joe Montana oh he was NBA Johnny Mvp Steel Mvp Dan Marino MVP. Why Does Stop Payton Prep for Eli Manning? No no no no what. He's got everything. Go ahead if you're saying okay. I thought you followed it. Except for you lavar instinct freeze. MVP Brie I'm in has no. MVP hasn't been as dominant in in his era. Now He's other gathering Jordan affect them. No no no no. No no I'm about to say he never won a super bowl. He never don't don't say almost misspoke he never won a super bowl and only twice. I only went once and that was in the second one all the arguments because we all pick and choose. which is our favorite stat to use to like to make sure that we like this car? Don't like this guy ideas dealer's choice. I think that if you like someone for era it's five you don't I mean look. I think we're pretty much on the top five guys or six guys from six to so like twenty dealer's choice. Whoever likes someone because they do this or that? Are you value simple. MVP's you don't. I think that breeze were to win this year. Win The super bowl. You just put them above four guys because a survey when this year I just think it would have been one hundred and ninety yards Roger Staubach was never. MVP Elite League MVP and you never WANNA super bowl. I don't care all I'm talking about were you dominate in your air so dominant Tom and that you were the MVP of your leads. So that's something that I must say. He wasn't dominant but was he. Is Dominance these other world Tom Grades. It's the best quarterbacks of their ear top. It's never happened for hoover breeze clear Thomas Basketball. Aw that's your Boise. MVP You try to say Z.. Cain up he's not a top ten no no. He's obviously not fully respected because does he never wanted. VP and he played in Jordan era. So that's the point. We're not going to fully respect those guys. You know what I love that point. I brought it up because I love that point. And that's who drew brees. Is Thomas. No not anymore. No He's not more disgracing two championships. The Larry Bird Jordan and Magic Eric. He beat them all and he was underside and put together a team in a culture. You shouldn't having at Seattle at the most voice all time most sale though debris inflator brees quarterback all Marino conversation. These guys are Lavar. Far ERRINGTON is back. Joining us now is sports. NFL analyst. Stevens Legend Future Hall of Famer James Harrison had the all. Let's LE- let's head to Pittsburgh for the bills. beat the steelers. Seventeen to ten and clinch their second playoff berth. In the past three seasons Bob Logan Still Win The AFC which is pretty incredible. We can say the last time the Patriots I didn't win their division was way back in two thousand eight. All right Question here is do you believe. The bills are better than the Patriots right right now. No because we know early in the season they weren't better than the Patriots. 'cause they lost the Patriots and what has changed since then I guess is while we have this question to me not enough for Buffalo. The trump the Patriots won. I saw the game last night. Everybody did Four interceptions and you win by seven. That's not not get that's not enough. That's not show me that you guys have enough firepower to take advantage of a team when you get those types of turnovers and let's talk about that firepower or or lack thereof eight of their games. They've had twenty or fewer points. So that's the thing. They rely on their defense. But the office doesn't live up to their side of the responsibility many times. So that's what happened in the Patriots game. It was just a low scoring affair. Both defenses go out there patriots defense still playing well but the Moxie to ownership at least even mentally. Tom Brady over the buffalo bills dirty one in three overall fifteen one at home. I think that comes into play still patriots. I totally agree with you. I I give him to Patriots and the reason I'm one is the Patriots defense. You probably had to defensive player of the year over Gilmore You know you have office S. adequate enough to do what it is that they need to do right now even though it's this late in the season Tom hasn't been playing like Tom And the quarterback for two bills. I'm not sold total him. He's consistent and inconsistent with somebody's throws at times that are wide. Open the running back yesterday. We saw single terry. He fumbled the ball twice. Why wouldn't ah they get Frank Gore and I think they get Frank Gardner more? They'd give him a better off. It's only at least somebody has more boss occurred You come into play in the Patriots. The first thing they WanNa do who is ripping the ball foot for a single -tarian you know he. He coughed up twice. So I'm not sold on on Buffalo because you just beat a steelers team that you know. Turn the the ball over four times in in you come away with seven point victory. I'm going to third that with the third. No they're not better than the Patriots today. We just came out when we knew we came out of a segment talking about culture over talent talent. Wise this bills. Those team is probably better than the Patriots talent. Wise top to bottom I. It's debate here especially defensively but culturally speaking king. The bills are light years away from culturally being ready and being able to do what they need to do to go into Gillette Stadium and beat the Patriots. I don't I think it's a very very simple explanation. I disagree with all three of you knew somebody s agree with all the bills defense is for real. This was my for and again. Yeah it was dot cottages ages and the Cedars didn't Know Ju Ju no all the Weapons Gall district Davian white or today that's dues for real Love the way he played. He's GONNA turn Tom Brady over. He the bills I think are GonNa win this Sunday. I think right they Saturday. I think they have two essential elements a great defense that can choke out this patriots offense and they got a quarterback that can run. The bills. Don't win that game. distillers continued to run the ball instead of trying to put it into into hodges. Its hands and having him throw in throwing it wanted a better cornerbacks into gain is not really a good idea. They were running a ball at a good toke but they were looking for chunks. They want it songs instead of three or four yards and a cloud of dust. It's nothing wrong with that that you do that twice three times. A first down James I WANNA politely say we're not talking about the steelers and right now we're talking understand what you're saying. That's why I don't believe. They are better than the Patriots right now this Saturday. They're gonNA proved right. Bet Josh Allen. Yeah we got a bit. Josh Allen Can the patients have a little problem with a running quarterback. I think the bills are going to run josh out a little bit more than usual. And then their Defense Davis White and that defense are going to choke Tom Brady. Tom Brady's own fumes right now. There's people are sick. People and heals right. God Brady led the Patriots. Did you watch. The Gay Brady was mediocre at best. That defense is Stefan Gilmore K.. Brady across cross officials and Tom Brady I love you. I'm not trying to disrespect you. Put your forty two and you're starting to fall off a cliff and bills are going to gently push him over the cliff on Saturday. The spread of six and a half. I'M GONNA pay for some more Christmas. Thanks to the Patriots getting clouded by another team with a running quarterback and I'll do spread. He does funny because of the hated this argument when it when you play the League soon as a running back have its thirtieth birthday. Oh he sorry sorry all of a sudden if he has a bad game after. We look at Tom. Brady's Forty Two oh he sorry phone on cliff okay. I know that age appropriate right but look we got a young second year quarterback. What about Josh Sallee? The last four games he kind of fell off fallen off a cliff as well. No one's making mention of the fact that sixty two quarterback rating sixty five quarterback rating hundred hundred and forty six yards hundred and thirty nine hundred eighty five yards. And we'RE NOT GONNA say Father Cliff because he's young but he ain't helping this team roll like such and when you talk about a team that doesn't put appoints and they're gonna go against the Patriots and that defense and you're doing this against lesser defenses. There's talks going to be ugly little seventeen game that falls the bills way. Oh Laszlo is I'm not gonNA fall their way because they're going to turn Tom Brady over and give themselves field position and a couple of feel goals and whatever you are. The definition condition of like a degenerate gambler just wants to lose money on teams that you should not bit on. They are not going to be said. You hate travel. Lack Bet against the Patriots won last three times before that. Is You win. Aw Matter I'm just telling you what's going to happen this week. Year with Josh. He's a one since you live at home against the bills. Hey what was the last game where I said this get times. You've been saying that was right. One time out of what fifty they send Dan you one more time. All I can do is play the game the next game up. That's what that's how that's how good you saw. Aw sitting around. Oh they beat the. Tom Brady barely come out of his passes for one hundred. Some Odd Josh L.. He ran Dan with Josh Allen. Th they will thom bray or used to win with Tom. Brady now saw the defendant. who fills leaving we gotta go? We've at the Bar Errington Buckey Brookshire Bat. Let's move to Baltimore. Were Lamar Jackson as well on his way to an MVP season but could actually be headed for something even more Special Hall of Famer. Kurt Warner says that. If Lamar gets to thirty five or forty passing touchdowns he'd be in the conversation for the best season ever by a quarterback and water definitely has a point Lamar season stacks up very well among some of the top. MVP seasons ever by some huge names and of course he's also also rushed for over a thousand yards as well all right three we. We brought up the NBA because three weeks ago we brought up this topic instead. Lamar I was on track. I think everybody knows where we stand. Right is Jackson having the greatest season. We've ever seen from a quarterback or have to say yes man. I'm serious I'm talking. What about the simple math of combining the two forces at that position that we basically have never seen before? Let's just respect his ability ability to extend to play move the change with his feet and his ability to archie with his arm. The combined forces of that is what we're seeing right. Now he's GonNa WanNa be the unanimous. Mvp We know that he has pro bowl running back numbers. And he's playing quarterback at the highest level. So there's no compromise. You want to go back to Mike Vick. There was a compromise in this passing. Game you want to go back to Randall Cunningham and there was a compromise in the past and you want to go back to Steve Young deals. A compromise is in the mentality to fully embrace his skill set. So this is the first time the skillset. Hey I'm open minded. I could do whatever I want organizational support and actually we have profound ability in both categories to me. It's the Best I've seen. It is greatest season ever seen like this is must see. TV whenever he is on on dynamic explosive efficient. Whatever you WANNA see? Lamar Jackson do he is being able to do what he's done it in space Over two seasons five touchdown passes. We've seen them run around around. We saw the spin move versus Cincinnati. Bengals we've seen countless highlights. And you talk about him. Redefining the position. Lamar Jackson got kids all over over the country running around talking about. Oh I'm Lamar to me. What he has been able to do is nothing short of spectacular? It has to be the best season that we've seen because we've never seen anybody do it in a combined fashion like he's been able to do. I think it sounds awesome. What you guys are saying and how we do I do but I don't agree with you guys and you don't agree? I'm saying no for the same reasons. Why sit before and today I say no is it possible? Yes this is purely subjective. We're basing what we believe off of waited feelings of what's what matters. Most what matters most to me and how it applies. The football is winning. And so when I look at greatest seasons ever as a quarterback the two seasons I would look at is is the two thousand seventeen season with Tom Brady and to seventeen or two thousand seven and the season with Bob Greasy. When was that seventy eight sixty where we wanna yes I am? And here's why the only reason why bog greasy would not. It'd be in conversation of greatest greatest season for quarterback every his own. I game against earl chain closest to have avenue unblemished mark on their on their record at eighteen and one losing in the Super Bowl was won. Tom Brady threw fifty touchdowns the the variables that take place to be able to have a game where you could redefine what the NFL represents by going undefeated in modern day football outweighs any type of single season performance that any chord not Mike Vick not Lamar Jackson. If Lamar wins the super bowl then we can have the conversation he would be at. What what you would say what seventeen and two he would be if they win the Super Bowl? I can have the conversation. The Brady didn't win the Super Bowl. He did not but he was eighteen and one he lost last game but he was what he's the Super Bowl. I'M NOT GONNA say the Super Bowl the fines his greatness in that season. More best differentiator because Lamar still has one more loss than what Tom Brady did. If he wins. Ones that somebody Russia's at Tom Brady having no matter. What you're saying into the goal is to win everything you do at? The quarterback is about winning. Yeah I get what you're saying and it's a better arguments made last time and I legitimately getting there is legitimate but to me nine hundred ninety. Four Steve Young completed the ball at seventy percent. When every when the closed the next closest guy was like sixty four percents It was mind blowing and be like. Oh my God how can this guy do. And that's what Lamar Jackson is doing to us. Every week it's mind boss like this is really going to go through this. NFL Marathon running the ball like a running back for more than a thousand yards. And he's going to continue. He's going to lead the League in passing touchdown. There's not what Ozzie. newsome did not believe on draft day that Lamar Jackson could lead the NFL and passing touchdown. He did not believe he thought he could be great but no one thought he's GonNa lead the and so for him to do that while running for eleven eleven hundred twelve hundred yards. It's mind blowing. I I WANNA seem finistere. Runs into the race lies and then the Cherry on top to me because again when we talk about greatest season. We're all we really talking about regular season to me but but it would be if he ran through the finish line and won the super bowl. I think it would be a mic drop the MIC. Drop if he wants me. If you'RE GONNA compare to ninety four Steve Young season. It's already a mic drop because Steve Young have forty-two combined touchdowns that year. Lamar already has forty forty with two games to go. Their quarterback rating is exactly the same right. Now but Steve Young have two hundred ninety three rush yards in sixteen games Lamar's Mars already over eleven hundred. What is just adding of both and we always mentally compromise one for the other there at this position? I told you Steve Young had to compromise. I remember reading articles about the climate of fully embracing the running quarterback and then now all the franchises turned over to. You need to protect yourself. So he goes out. There protect himself to the tune of two hundred and ninety three yards. And Lamar says take the take the lid off this. Take the governor off of this car and is right and that's why if you can buy what he's doing passing wise and rushing. I don't see anybody ever. I think that's the the thing here is almost three hundred yards account. If we're we're so used to the quarterback being a passer only the fact that he's a dual threat doing what he's doing while winning games. I think that puts him. Midday conversation joined now by Fox. NBA analyst Ric Bucher time for the most discussion of the day. All right a week from in Christmas and the official start of the NBA season with the Lakers nestled atop the league standings at Twenty four and four. And just twenty four hours before those same Lakers take on the other league leader. Milwaukee Magic Johnson told The Los Angeles Times he deserves. Credit for the Lakers success. Now I just said a mouthful take a minute and let it all sink in discussion of the NBA heats up around Christmas. The Los Angeles Lakers in the Milwaukee books are tied for the best record in basketball and they played tonight on. TNT and yesterday the La Times. Is Bill Plaski. wrote an article. Framing Magic Johnson a Santa a clause and quoted magic taking responsibility for the Lakers success. The timing apply. She's column is not a coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences ordinances. Especially when it comes to celebrity brands and three move is calculated including granting Plaski and interview while giving poor kids. Kids Free Bikes. This is where I should mention that matter. Johnson is my favorite athlete of all time frame photograph. A framed photograph of magic hangs hangs in my apartment as you watch this program. I really admire. Great athletes have a strong distaste for celebrity brands. high-performing athletes are are driven. Spontaneous and authentic high performing. Celebrity brands are driven calculated and fraudulent magic. The brand is a Christmas story the La Times and other media outlets have been telling for three decades. It's no different from frosty. The Snowman Rudy. Rudolph the red nosed reindeer. How the grinch stole Christmas except Frosty Rudolph in the grits? Don't pretend to be real. They have EGOS controlled by writers. Celebrity brands control their own eagles. And and not very well Magic Johnson. Quinn the the Lakers won. The job proved to be too difficult work ethic and too dangerous whereas ego and brand. He quit and the most unprofessional manner. Possible he couldn't bring himself to tell us boss and longtime friend Jeanie Buss and he went on a media tour savaging the reputation of of his former colleague. Rob Pelinka and now with the Lakers. The toast of the NBA magic consent to having another Christmas story written about it. Magic Magic Arrange for bill plastic you to interview him while he was anonymously giving out Christmas gifts to poor kids and during this anonymous gift gifting that is now published in the Los Angeles time. Magic took credit for the success of the Lakers saying quote. This team would not be in the position. It's in without me this. This was my strategy. This is what I thought we be in three years. I knew we were on the right track. Everybody wanted their way. But I'm good with WHO I I am. I think people respect what I've done for the team. This is the delusion fueled by fame fortune and twenty four seven three sixty five brand building celebrity brands or any constant state of self promotion Magic Johnson. The athlete was an awesome teammate. He elevated everybody played with and share the credit for the team success with Kareem Worthy Pat Riley Magic Johnson. The athlete would sing the praises of Jeanie Buss. She's the one who whether the assault on her competence her integrity and her friendship with Kurt Rambis his wife. Jeanie Buss withstood the fire. Like a grown ass woman magic. quit it that's your Christmas story. Magic is the grinch trying to steal. Genie's Christmas I got cell. Get US rolling. Wow Magic deserve any credit for the Lakers success. Yes he does. He deserves a ton of credit for this and I want you guys to go back to how this all started already. Because I think what we're doing is putting a high emphasis on how ended and the way and it wasn't admirable wasn't Optima by Magic Johnson. Obviously obviously but don't let the way he went out distract you and deter you from reality because of the work he did before that Moment Matt. Johnston was more than Santa Claus. He was to parachutes that. Saved this franchise as it was going out of control spiraling downward rapid rate ever since Jeanie Buss took over no playoff appearances. Still to this date says Jeanie Buss has been the owner of this team who I love a lot. Twenty seven twenty one win seventeen whereas twenty six wins a here comes magic to parachute in February. Twenty seventeen the stop this Komo now then also thirty five years. That will seem like a lot for the Lakers. Vote and Showtime Lakers. The Lakers Jeanie Buss Lakers hold outs a lot. Thirty seven wins and then magic taps out but those sees planning those moves were made talking about the cap. Space you talk about one. Met suggestion is the reason. Lebron James is here in terms of what executive was able to make that deal. He didn't even talk to Luke Walton. For what six weeks of the bras in town at bath piece of red and all these places not even talking to coach it was magic. Johnson that made that happen which also is a part of what made Anthony Davis. A Los Angeles Lakers so I I just want to respect the continuum which says magic helped save this franchise and more importantly redirected it to where it is right now first thing when I talked to my kids or do any sort of media training with people one of the things that tell them let somebody else sing your praises all the the idea that he's asking for credit I I will give it to him but it's a bad look that he wants to come out after the way things ended and say I deserve credit for for where we are. And here's the most important thing I will give you some credit for where they are. Where are they? This is like this is like going into one one of Magic's starbucks and I order my Americano in the Baristas going to work in the cashier goes. Oh by the way you know what you wouldn't be getting that without without me and I'm like okay. I have any first of all. I don't even know how good the Cup of coffee is. I don't know what the Lakers are. Just us yet and second of all. It's a bad look that you want to jump in and say that I owe you something for what I've paid for the reality. Polity is December on December nineteenth. Two thousand eighteen last year. who was in first place in the western conference that would be the Denver? Nuggets December nineteenth two thousand seventeen. who was in first place that would be the Houston Rockets? So yes you are twenty four and four. You are in first place in the western conference. You get credit for that you also get credit for the fact that you don't have a first round pick in in two thousand twenty one if we're going to go all the way down the line you don't have a second round pick in two thousand twenty two New Orleans controls your pick in two thousand twenty three and you don't have a pick in two thousand twenty four so let me see where this team goes and what it does this to me. This this quote has the potential attention. This team would not be in the position. It's in without without me. Has the potential coming back and biting him the same way Joe Lake of once upon a time Said said we are light years ahead of everybody else and now everybody is thrown back. Him and the Lakers don't complete this if they don't keep Anthony Davis which they still have to do. Then there's going to people who say magic you're right we would not be in this position without you but it's not gonNA play quite the way it does right now. I don't like it because they're twenty four and four if they were eighteen and ten. This interview never never. Christmas happens. Happens again give him he never has this interview. He's not again and that he can interview Plaski at his home. At Mickey D's and Ruth Chris a bunch of places that that's a comment of you being Santa Claus and make that part of your story. I listen this man. Dan Trying to jump in here and still some shine from Jeanie Buss. Who He's still he just said we haven't even talked this season? We really have any made things right. It's a bad look. It's what I love magic the athlete I hate that everything about athletes has been perverted by brand in building brand building brand this brand building. It's a bad look for Magic Johnson on a bunch of different levels and Rick's point of Taking credit for twenty four and four come take credit after they hang a championship then then say they should give me credit. This is is premature but in just screams to me. Jealousy envy regret. Didn't he wishes he was there so he could beat his chest and say I did say any. Can you start with Jeanie Buss. Then you go to Pelinka and then you go to Lebron James. That's who deserves credit and and this should have been quoted in the paper singing those three people's praises okay. I have a lot to unpack right here. First of all film the Double Team Coach. You gotTA turn twist next on a double teams okay. One Magic Johnson in this interview it you have to go. Oh forty percent maybe halfway through before you get to Lakers conversation because this interview at its core was really about his giving getting back to getting back to who magic Johnson pumped. Here comes the journalist. Let's hear Yeah I knew I craft stores right. The heart of their stories about the Lakers. Everything else is just an excuse. I can respect that. I can respect that but he still did the work in the moment for you to have the excuse to build and craft your your argument. A here's the thing I have a real issue what people who are taking exception with magic in this moment because it's really only a personality quirk that you really have an issue with and I'm talking to you Rick Bucher. I've always had this issue since I was in grade school. And it's like compliments versus Assis- credit and I'll give you an example. The PRE PEOPLE WANNA give compliments because they really want the power to say what you are and how you're being perceived receive so there's really a selfish play in me give you compliments. Here's an example. If if if Tony Dungy wherever ever to let it leave his mouth that I did most of the construction of that Tampa Bay team. Then John Grooten actually one whit people will lose their minds but those same. The people are the people who go around right now. Every time Jon Gruden says yeah I wanted to go. Oh you wonder what Tony Dungy people. They will be hypocritical. They flip the same thing. HAPPENS IN GOLDEN STATE WAS Steve. Curt word obviously played itself into a position where he's not just benefiting from Mark Jackson's players but if Mark Jackson ever wanted to actually say why do I have wait for you to give me credit and give you the power when I actually already know what it is. I've seen this place so many different ways in sports and in real life beautiful girl shows up school. This happened Tiffany Cambridge. Everyone say you look amazing. You look amazing. One day tiffany finally came to school. Said how you like. Look wait a minute you know why because the person given the compliment. What so much credit? Magic Johnson is saying literally the reality in the facts this franchise was going this way at all. I'm saying is they wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for me but we have to wait for rebuke and Jason Whitlock. Doc In everyone else to say it before magic. There's two things here and I don't want to steal your thunder because I see what you love this but the reality is in a general context. I I agree with some of what you said. But we have it's circumstance and circumstances that magic bailed on this situation go ahead you were. He he quit left and not only did he. Car Fire Tony. Dungy got fire. They didn't quit in sports. You don't quit and trust me. I try to when I was a kid and my father went off. Yeah I'll try to and and didn't play my fifth year college and They WanNa Championship without me. That's to my point why. I don't think the story is disingenuous. January January tickets you know why because he even Mitts that I still have. We're talking genie. He even admits that was the week way out. So what would you craft a story. Were you gonNA take shots at yourself and take shots. That will put you in the best light. I think Magic Johnson being transparent. There's some good. There's some bad I deserve some credit right but not all the credit and you just gotTa read this story and have that ballot but where was it in this piece where he said. You Know What Rob's done a hell of a job. Genie held the ship shipped together. Even though I stepped off I did it in such an abrupt way. There wasn't enough knowledge of what has been done without him. And if he had done that and said you you know. Hey I think I had a part in this it would have played different and and this is the other part when it comes back to the just the again the situation which is there are plenty of players and athletes. You know this you know this that do a tremendous amount in the community and the cameras cameras aren't there and they don't alert the cameras and they don't let people and they don't get nearly the credit that they deserve for all that they do but I do take. I do have trouble trouble with the guys who show up and then make sure that the cameras are there taking care of the. Everybody knows that they they are. They are doing what they're doing. Because then it makes me question what your motive is where I'm just telling Magic Johnson's. My favorite athlete his pitches and it was because he elevated everybody else as an athlete. That's what attracted me to magic. And that's what made us seeing being Magic's praises magic. The brand elevates magic and I don is inconsistent with what I fell in love with. It's it's the long long play here sing. Genie buses praises name. This column and then let Mattis said some great things about Jeannie and you know what he deserves a little credit so we can get the power once again. We've got the power once again. Proven my point you want to know where to Rob Pelinka complements our go to Bill Polanski's house or office. They're probably on the cutting room floor. They didn't make this article. I don't know where they are. It's impossible but here's the thing. I'm tired of people wanting this false humility out of our celebrities athletes. Whoever it is it's false like I'm going I'm not gonNA give myself the love but I know that you are and if you don't I do then also number demon that's not there?

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Fantasy Football YESTERDAY: Mount Rushmore for Each Position (1997-2019) (05/12 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today

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Fantasy Football YESTERDAY: Mount Rushmore for Each Position (1997-2019) (05/12 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Take from Sports Division of Columbia Broadcasting System at Klondike one to one it's time to dominate your fantasy. Lead if you have a time machine now. Here's some combination of this turkeys or Mr Ritter Mister Iceberg Mister Washington Jefferson Roosevelt. And Tomlin's today the Mount Rushmore of fantasy football at each position. Welcome to fantasy football yesterday. Going back in time to look at nine hundred ninety seven thousand nineteen who are the four best that position not including kicker of course for DSP quarterback running back wide receiver? Tight End I am. Outta MAZER and we already heard Jamie and Dave on fantasy football yesterday. That was earlier Monday. We're recording this Monday early evening. We'll you'll hear this on Tuesday but we bring in Ben Gretch. You gave me a very angry email this morning. I hope you're in better spirits today. This later today Ben Houria. I'm feeling great. Yeah I'm awake now. Those first thing in the morning I was reading about how running back make defenses is better and or running the ball more makes teams better or something and I just didn't know what you're talking about. Yeah you did. And that's right and if you had actually heard what I said it would have been incoherent and you still wouldn't have no but I was talking. Well David Jamie here guys have have any of you been to the actual Mount Rushmore. No no I have You have how was it smaller than I would have guessed? It's like way upon a mountain and their fee. I mean it's great but like the faces are I don't know you see all the zoom did pictures you think. Their faces are massive. And they're the far away. I guess from the viewing area. So they're kind of like smaller than than you picture. It might been. I've heard that before. Do you think would you recommend it? They should should be go. I thought it was pretty pretty cool. Yeah the other the other thing. That was interesting. The faces are up kind of on the top part of the Ridge of the mountain. And then there's just all this rock below it from when they did it this just all. They're still just broken rock and that's like bigger than the faces. It's kind of interesting spectacle when you actually see it but yeah I thought it was worthwhile. I think it's cool part of the country to drive around the Black Hills South Dakota and everything so okay all right. I'm in you do that. Well I do have one big topic to before we get into fantasy football yesterday. But Mount Rushmore guys was the Danny and Tomlinson the easiest. Call as your number one running back. Did anybody not have him number one? Are they pretty easy? Easy to top five seasons including the best season in the history of our era the digital era fantasy football to top five season meeting for all all the individual runningback seasons from one thousand nine hundred seventy two three thousand nine hundred thousand. Tomlinson had five of them. I'm sorry I had two of them. Had Two of the top five of the top five. What's that I said I have fault? I I was the only one and I thought that was interesting because I thought it was kind of splitting hairs in. You could go either way with it I kind of had two reasons one not so important. Thomas had way more points but when you look at points per game falk actually had a slightly higher points per game average in the span that we're looking at his whole career Didn't fall in the span. Thomas did because he played before nineteen ninety seven But I had to kind of go back and look Fox peak because I started playing fancy ninety nine but I was twelve. I wasn't like a real serious into it. I I started high school in two thousand and two and so I I was very much. That's when I really got into it. I was very much there for the Tomlinson era and I remember how dominant he was and then he gives bonus points for just What I graded players. A little bit based on their average draft positions to like the fact that Tomlinson was the number one back. Good for you. That's what I did too. I think that matters bid bump Adrian Peterson from yeah. He never had peak seasons. 'cause he didn't catch passes but we all knew he was a dominant running back at his peak and we drafted him that way. But as far as folk in Thompson went back and looked Thomson only was the rb one. One hot and that huge season He finished runner up a couple of times to to priest. Holmes BIGGEST REASONS. That's why he has two of the top five seasons and also. I think Brian Westbrook's career season. He was to back several times. But when you look back at Fox had to kind of look back at it ninety nine two thousand two thousand one folk rb one all three years in that peak and he had more than one hundred points more than the rb three. Every year there was an each of those seasons another back. That was at least good enough to be within one hundred points of him and twice it was editor James and then it was priest. Holmes first big season with chiefs of Fox was at that time so dominant that nobody else in your league if you had him could could even really compare and compete with you other than maybe one person could have had it back that was somewhat close but he was typically in those three seasons. Well ahead rb to as well but I just I saw that peak and I was like man that was even more dominant than Ladainian Tomlinson peak. That's what gave me the non-fox did I screw up. Have Been Marshall Faulk. I think Tomlinson had a longer peak. Though he had he finished second second second fourth first and second in six straight seasons. That's pretty crazy. Yeah God if that could shoot the biggest that gets you the biggest head on the On the mountain. It's splitting hairs for me. I mean I don't disagree with you guys at all all right all right. Well we'll get more into. That will be later though for fantasy football yesterday. Here's fantasy football today or fantasy football tomorrow. What if Kareem Hunt is much more involved in the running game? Then he was in two thousand Nineteen Look. They sign him. He misses the first eight games. Nick shoves role and he gets about five carries per game five and a half carries per game in eight games. But if he's a lot more involved. I don't know that we've discussed that all that much with Nick Chubb. But that's our big topic today. Jamie let's expand on that. Do you think that's possible? Could that be something that hurts? Nick chubs value and we haven't really investigated that so far. I think we have but yes. It's going to hurt his value. I mean you have to assume that he's not just going to be a third down back in only their Dombak no or predominantly third down back. I mean you're talking about a former league rushing champion. Who will have whatever season is available to him but the same off season that his teammates will have so. I would hope that he's a bigger part of the offense for Cleveland Sake Not Necessarily Nick Tub sake but this is still a team. That's going to be very run heavy. And so I think there's enough opportunity for both of these guys but I mean job is Going to lead the team Kerry he's going be the one hopefully working in the goal line opportunities and getting touched on opportunities more so than Kareem Hunt. He's not losing the passing game. So He's a to me him. And Derrick. Henry are so format dependent. You know where they go. Both guys are borderline first round picks in non PR PR THEIR MID. Second round picks. Anybody think that cream might take a bigger slice of the PIE than people expect. I don't think that happens unless something. Unless nick progresses and. I don't know if we've seen anything to suggest that that's coming. You know maybe an injury in training camp could could lead to something like that but the the browns really have a great. They've got maybe the best one to running back Combo in the entire NFL. And I suspect they're gonNA use them but it doesn't necessarily mean that Chubb is going to lose carries on a weekly basis degree. There could be a game where for whatever reason chubs just not feeling it. Kareem Hunt gets going by the end of the game. Chubb has eight carries on has fifteen something like that but it could also go the other way and I would imagine it would happen the other way a lot more often. Because we've already seen it happened that way and I think Chubb as good of a talent Kareem Hunt is chubs better and I think the browns with their improved offense line in their their dedication to the run game and and probably a smarter offense in general. You're going to see both those guys get a lot of work in. There could be a lot of games for both of them are getting fifteen touches and Baker so in twenty or fewer times so I think the offense and then the way that they're headed is good for both of the running backs but I'm not ready to say the cream on going to even be you know in a fifty fifty touch mellow enough fifty but five carries per game five and a half carries per game. Last year could be more like eight. Could he it good yeah? This is a way more interesting question you pose than you want on on Monday morning. I'll just say that no but I agree completely with days like I think this could be setup where both of these guys could wind up being very productive offense. Okay and chop got much all the goal line work last year so if they start splitting that up I I mean I see scenarios were trump is really disappointing. It could happen and certainly if if the browns passing game stumbles and they're forced to play from behind. You know their defenses bad. Whatever there's a million ways that could be bad then theoretically. That wouldn't be good for job and he would lose work to Hon. Who is better prepared as of now for the passing game and even by this is the one other point I want to make. Even if cream hunts rushing rush attempt average goes to eight. That's two and a half more carries per game. I think chubs could go up two and a half more could per game to just on the nature of them being run I yeah they were only twenty second and Russia temps last year. Would you guys rather have niche? Ob or De'andre Hopkins. I'm taking Hopkins all day. Npr I'm GonNa take I think he's undervalued. I'll think trump in Nabi VR Yeah same what they I would take. Tub and non PBR Hopkins. Oh boy. What about the forgotten format the best format half PR APR? Yeah I'd probably lean toward Chubb there to specifically because he's a running back in. I'd rather fill that position. Gotcha all right then. Thank you very much for the compliment. I appreciate that. I'm glad this was a great topic. I hope everybody enjoyed it. You same what you're gonNA enjoy twitch tonight Tuesday night seven PM Eastern on our twitch channel twitch dot com slash f today. The biggest one year wonders the biggest breakouts the worst busts of all time. Plus your comments your questions we get to interact a lot with our audience. Go TO TWITTER. Dot Com slash. Fm Today and all you fantasy football today listeners. Just WanNa let you know that CBS. Sports H. Q. is now on Pluto. Tv which means F. F video version is now on Pluto TV so if you're a Pluto TV watcher you can see us talking fantasy there at noon eastern all week long check us out in the sports section on Channel. Four Fifty. Nine all right. Let's do Mount Rushmore Club. Thank you Jamie is all about Asia. He's ninety percent about H. Q. Ten percent podcast is that fair. That's false eighty. Twenty nine percent eighty. Okay I rushmore at quarterback so we each had to submit our top six four of us plus he admit yes draghi. You had seven people to okay so a lot of people do it and then Chris Towers tallied up the votes. And here's what Mount Rushmore. Looks like Peyton? Manning drew brees Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady peyton manning. Drew brees Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady anybody anything other than those. For in that order in that order. I didn't have that order but I had those for everybody. Had those I had had that exact order. What did you guys have? Have you not looked at the the results that are compiled? I WANNA send them to right and I say I don't WanNa today the consensus not rush. More is in this order. Manning breeze Rogers Brady. Yeah I know I just said that. Yeah and everybody has different orders. I WanNa know what your order was. Because that was by order. S- could say order was just flipped bobbing braiding breath. I'm sorry minority my manning Breeze Brady Roger Rodney Brady and Rogers. I flipped breezing manning at the top and Brady Rodgers with you. Jamie on that. I had raised at the top. I mean he was so good for fantasy for so many years in that seems offense and I can see that the case for many do I still yeah. I didn't think hard about it. I just knew which four quarterbacks I wanted in there and basically just listed them haphazardly but manning was I for me than Rogers. Both of them had two top ten seasons all time. I think there were the only two quarterbacks ad that Brady was next with two top twelve seasons brees at three top fifteen seasons in the digital era but Payton had the the all time best year. I think that means something. Rogers has four top seventeen seasons. I I don't really care what order. They're in as long as they're all on the mountain and at least for now in the era talking about because twenty twenty nine. Good Manning's only quarterback to be great with teams point. He had paid manning had three number one finishes. He had the best overall season. He had six straight top-three finishes but drew brees also had three number one finishes and he had nine straight seasons finishing top three. He finished top three in ten out of eleven seasons at one point. He was unbelievably consistent. I think you know. Let's just just to have controversy just the spark it up a little bit Jamie. I think Tom Brady ahead of Aaron. Rodgers is absolute poppycock and you shaved it for justify justify who covered outswing. Why'd you put Brady had me and I think they've said it best? These are debating with President. Was better on that. All the time and debated Zubin Day with the people you should. You should probably go that right now. Hosts this show we get Mike. Right back. I think I think they're all they're all class above everybody else. Oh sure you wanna Rogers had a radio magnified you. The only position where we were so universally in agreement with the four names. It should be on this list. Yeah there really is no other clear-cut candidate you can make arguments for a couple of guys but generally don't hold comparatively to these four different is filled out our our fifth in six spot across the seven of us. None of us were were really even consistent with who we thought should be fifth after after these forecast yeah. Culpepper was the only quarterback that had three consecutive number one finishes so yeah I looked at him. I went with far as my which no one else seemed to pick. I don't think anyone else had it in their top six but he was good for a while. I don't know it was good in like ninety seven. Ninety eight at the beginning of the of the span Aaron Rodgers finished top two in six out of seven seasons. The only exception he got hurt he played nine games. Two thousand thirteen. He finished top. Two overall in seven of nine seasons at one point radio only had one number one number one finish So anyway the order was paid. Manning drew brees Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady that. You're Mount Rushmore. For the all time greats. I think one thing that's interesting. We should discuss. Who gets off like who does mahomes knock off of he stays rates on the radio. I mean it makes more sense. How do you how do you not have Brady on the Mount Rushmore? Though like I get it. Statistically maybe he doesn't Care Never. I anti Russian. Yeah Yeah Right. I know but tough too not longevity matters all time greatest list but he's a little overrated because it from fantasy standpoint. Because I'm I put down. I wrote down where Tom Brady finished from. Two thousand one to two thousand nineteen. I'm just going to say the numbers. Twenty two eight eleven ten to seven one injured seven six three three fourteen eleven to twenty one three eleven fourteen. Not that good. That was pretty damn good. It's potato they're taking. I have a baby was damaged. Say It's my two year old. Yeah awesome they. Hi Adam now they hi Dave Hi ben say Bye Bye. Go go go go. We're chartering no no no by but anyway let's move on to running backs here and the Mount Rushmore for running backs was the Dania. Thomasson Marshall Faulk priest. Holmes and Adrian Peterson interesting. I didn't think Peterson would get on there. But it is Tomlinson faulk homes and Peterson Dave. What he think I think Tomlinson. Falk and homes are obvious. I think they are all absolutely deserving Tomlinson and fog. I don't think anybody's GonNa give any push back on. Homes didn't necessarily have longevity but he did have some amazing years to top ten seasons in Kansas City. He also had a decent year not a great year but a decent year Baltimore before he finally broke out with the chiefs and Adrian Peterson. I honestly he deserves to be up there. There's no question about it. But there are a lot of other running backstay that could make that fourth spot. And maybe if you just don't believe in presold. I don't think his longevity his lack of longevity warrants a spot the maybe maybe it's up for grabs the other two spots up there but I think I think Peterson the the case is pretty obvious. He's been playing great for high level. He's still playing great and Yeah the other guys that I was looking at. Mccaffrey made mine to top fifteen seasons including the second best all time. Todd Gurley Edgerrin James. I think those guys have certainly shown that they've been great for fantasy as well. I I just think. The case for longevity warrants More consideration for Peterson which is something. I didn't think of when I handed in my list. Yeah wait so well Ben. You had Peterson third. I didn't even have Peterson in my top. Six now I had fifth joking the bench I was GonNa say it's really interesting that Dave that each of those three guys were locks and priest. Holmes I thought was a lock as well and I had him third as did at all of us on this call but This pod but he had presumed fifth and Schrager Towers Rape Results. Dude that's insane and heath has Frank Gore. What I guess we hours as long as no one. Put Frank Gardner and of course it was. You know what let's get strategy beyond 'cause I need to know how you leave priests homes who Dave said to top ten seasons. He means top ten overall. Not like top ten finishes He had three top ten finishes three straight years as number one or number two running back and some of the biggest most mantra seasons. You've seen from running backs shaggy. Be What are you doing priest Holmes not even in your top six. You kidding me. That's all only had to have good years. Maybe three good years. That's it that's not enough for me for the Mount Rushmore. Three great year. Not What you put Christian McCaffrey on. Could you make that argument? Mccaffrey wasn't in my top four but he still have him on your list ahead of Home Church. Pretty good point free sums. Wow I mean because I'm a young guy too but when were you born again all the start of the Pinnacle Ball? You're like five with Bruce. Williams was my son Simon. That was actually meant tracker. I don't know priest Holmes. The longevity versus thing is always an interesting debate. And how did you guys handle that? Because I feel like if you're putting people on Mount Rushmore. It's not like well. He had a long tenure and he was really solid. Rod like no these are the. Oh Jeez like these are the best of the best. Some of the best seasons was I did that by position too because I think It managed by position. What am I looking for my running back? I was looking for peak in running back in particular. The one where I said. I'M NOT GONNA consider longevity that much And whether that comes to owns I put McCaffrey fourth. Because McCaffrey had twenty nineteen one of the all-time great running back seasons and that to me already pushes him into the 'cause like no running backs have on job. I mean fall can Tomlinson did and and Gore and Peterson but like just what Gore did over fifteen years. It's incredible but it's not great for fantasy necessarily all right so all three of us has been said on this conference call. All three of US said Tomlinson Falk at homes. One through three in some order Ben Had faulk one. Did we all have four then? Had McCaffrey Dave. Who did you have for McCaffrey? Mccaffrey Jamie you had Peterson. Were you at all like Thinking I can't put Peterson NPR. Because I think if this were non. Pr Rushmore. He'd be there. I don't know about Pr. No I think. Ben's said about Peterson before in regard to he met expectations so whether he wasn't whether he was drafted one in finished seven. It was a good seven or Drafted one finish five. He He'd delivered more times than not based on what the expectation worker so I think while he didn't have a dominant season. Npr He had enough good seasons and put him. He's going to be the one that gets knocked off from McCaffrey. This McCaffrey easy to say. But I don't think right now. Mccaffrey has earned has done enough to say. He's on a Mount Rushmore of running backs his era more so than interesting. Because if you look at just points for a full season. Mccaffrey has the second best season since. Nineteen ninety seven and he has the Fifteenth Best Season Two thousand eighteen. He was fifteenth. I think Peterson's best season. He was like forty s in terms of total. Pbr points. Yeah he never had that receiving upside right like when you look at his best even when he ran for two thousand yards. It wasn't an all time great season but he was so consistently good. We kept drafting him in the first round every year. And that matter to me too. Like Jamie said okay any other players you WANNA mention Bannon. I clearly have the best less the same. Yeah we both had entered. James is our six. I thought he was a really interesting one compared to like Erin Foster. Who was like my honorable mention number? Seven James Peak overlapped with Fox peak and I mentioned that Fox was a hundred points better than the rb three into those seasons. James was the only Guy Ninety nine two thousand that was even comparable Marshall Faulk so he never I don't think was even the rb one in a given season but that's still kind of a lot about how good james was because he was really a lot better than everyone. Not Named Fault for those couple of seasons only an idiot would put foster analyst. Why I just do. I had him on my all decade team. So I'm just getting because the only person okay he. He's he's obviously in the conversation. He had some great seasons. He was what fifth or sixth he was fifth. And actually the Shawn McCoy was the only one ride Kuwait in the top six. Now Ben Tracker but that's because he saw him when he was to have a Koi kind of be sustained excellent. Yeah Ed should probably be on their over McCoy. Why receiver is really. This is the one that's going to turn over the most and locked in running back like he got locked in. And then you just say okay. Mccaffrey can get there. Maybe come and get their You know some of these guys. That are Zeke. Zeke Barkley Right. They can think it if they have sustained success in some big seasons. I mean if McCaffrey does anything close to what he's done in each of the last year one of those two seasons he's already he's already there for where you guys. Adam and I think for me too and why I put him there. It was kind of like a pick for the future. Yup He's been great so far and I don't see it slowing down at all. Yeah like you didn't need to see four years of George Washington's presidency to know that he deserved to be a Mount Rushmore. Now down the Cherry. He was president at that point so it was that easy call but he decided to build a rushmore yet. They build it with just him and I don't know that they kept adding three people. I you know all right wide receiver. I think this is very interesting. I think you guys. I think we gotTA wrong here personally. Easily the most interesting position. The wide receivers about Rushmore are in order Randy Moss Antonio Brown Marvin Harrison and Calvin Johnson Randy Moss Antonio Brown and Marvin Harrison and Calvin Johnson and three of us have Antonio Brown number one. So how did ready Moss number one? Because then Gretch plus Ben shrager Christopher's and he's Cummings all had moss number one But Brown versus Randy Moss number three yet. I was me and actually as I was doing my little bit more research today before the show I realized actually screwed up. I should have had Marvin Harrison number one. Because I'll give you the I'll give you the numbers. Marvin Harrison had four straight number one finishes and five total that cannot be beat. Four straight number. One finishes five total. Npr that's why he should be number. What actually put Brown one instead of Harrison? But that was foolish of me all right so so Ben. You've taught Randy Moss one. Why over round in Harrison it wasn't it was close and I. This is kind of like what Dave said where he didn't really think about how we ranked the top couple at wide receiver. I was just trying to figure out how to cut down my list because I ahead like thirteen names and I was considering a lot of gas but I landed on Moss and I'll go back to something. Jamie said with Peyton Manning and how he was fun to different teams. I just kinda focused on how good he was at the Patriots. Thousand seven already talked about that on the the best seasons draft. You really wanted him in the first round. But then you also think back to how good he wasn't ninety eight ninety nine two thousand tells him one you talked about how Dante colpepper was a qb. The overall qb one three straight years. That was because of Randy Moss. So he was just really sustained. Good or great with the Vikings and then also had the best season ever on an entirely different team. Yes there's that. Lull with the with the Raiders. Which may be the reason why you would say he can't be number one over somebody's more consistent guys like you just noted Harrison But I think the fact that he was that good that dominant on multiple Rosters in a decade apart. I mean he was huge British. Use some special for sure. Yeah just he didn't have as many number one finishes as Brown or Harrison. I don't know I really don't know what the cases I think. You guys really. I think you should apologise no The thing I think is in these guys that are touchdown dependent. It hurts a little bit like Moss. Moss Calvin Johnson. We know that that was that we had this conversation today. Michael Thomas and Calvin Johnson. Were you know like thirty points? Apart in their best seasons and Thomas Nine touchdowns one hundred forty nine catches cabins. Best Ninety six catches yeah. I see that he had over. A hundred remember but Ninety six catches in sixteen touchdowns that season. So you know like ask Dave in just the conversation about having To pick a receiver. Like if you knew this guy was getting one hundred twenty catches but eight or nine touchdowns versus this guy you know was getting fifteen plus touchdown but you getting under a hundred catches like what would you take and I and Dave you know what I think is the right answer that you lean towards the cash because at least you know that sustainable I think that hurts. You know these guys that don't consistently get one hundred plus catches. That's how I play when I look forward. I leaned towards the catches yards. Always but when I was looking back and I did this with our draft as well like I know that this guy scored sixteen or door in. Moss's case twenty three touchdowns and I was leaning way more. I thought that was interesting. Actually when I did the draft I was leaning way more towards huge touchdown seasons that I never thought were sustainable but I also marvel that. Yeah and you know. It's such a shame for Calvin Johnson. Because his best season you have to say not in terms of fantasy points but two thousand twelve. He had one hundred and twenty two catches one thousand nine hundred sixty four yards and somehow five touchdowns near that was that the AFL Donna. The one hundred hundred ten touchdown season. Then she's never all time receiving yards record but he's still didn't even have his best fancy season because he's scored so few touchdowns crazy. I thought have. What did you think of this? Mount Rushmore was Randy Moss say Antonio Brown too and it wasn't Harrison Alvin for Yank Calvin Johnson. That was my top four exactly in that order. No I- i- Brown ahead of Moss. I don't know if I stick with that though Because Moss did had that amazing year with all those touchdowns and he was great for most of his time in the NFL was two. And the one thing that I remember about Antonio Brown was how consistent he was I think somewhere in the neighborhood of seventy or eighty percent of the time he played he gave you ten points and nine fifteen P P. R like he was he was outstanding. Once he finally broke out in Pittsburgh He had five straight top. Finishes six straight top five finishes three straight top one or number one finishes Marvin Harrison with four straight number one. Finish this as I mentioned so. It seems like in some order of Brown Harrison Moss. That's kind of like Tomlinson homes and faulk so everybody's number four it was Calvin Johnson on the consensus. Mount Rushmore. Jamie number. Four of all of us has Gavin Johnson. The more oh but that I had a hard time with Calvin Johnson and Owens and this is where I went to that tiebreaker of ADP. Where I remember you know just kind of thinking back to the heiress Calvin Johnson was every year the number one receiver. We took right like and there's a reason for that. He was that good trial. Maybe never really was that. He played in the Moss and hold in Harrison Eras. Where all those guys were top names. Right and Owens. Maybe was the number one receiver a couple of times but typically was more like the number two or number three receiver. We had Dr Never Number One. I don't think I don't think he ever finished never was but two three five times. He's another guy who was so good across so many different teams good at the eagles. He's good lightness career with like the bells and the Bengals He played at the banks. Am I making that up? Everyone the niners in the cowboys earlier. Obviously I mean he was a a truly dominant receiver. Obviously but I had a hard time with that. And I know Heath and Chris Towers both put him in their top four and it was close for that fourth and final spot and I think it should have. Ben Trackers said that he took Kevin Johnson because he thought it was Megatonne from the transformers get so. He was looking for optimus Brian but he couldn't find him. Yeah and and a guy who didn't get the touchdowns but I I looked at all the all the I took what I considered the prime years of all these great wide receivers and terms of yards. Julio Jones beat them all but he just never scored touch. Yep that's that was the deciding factor for me. Was He didn't score touchdowns if we're looking back to say he was that good fancy bowing into Two thousand eighteen. I think he had the record for the most games. Averaging one hundred yards receiving if two thousand fourteen to two thousand nineteen is Jones's prime he average one thousand six hundred thirty three yards per season randy moss in his what. I considered his primary kind of had to but first one he averaged just under fourteen hundred yards two hundred almost two hundred and forty yards fewer per season than Julio Jones Julio Jones's amazing but he added six touchdowns in those years two thousand. What do you think Antonio Brown would have done last year brady or a full year with car? It would have been better with Brady than with car I I was bullish on him. This had drifts. Thirteen hundred yards fourteen. I think he could have gotten already close. Send US pretty close. Yeah Yep it's really hard to say he the one game. I saw him that dolphins game. He looked great a he looked fast. Great but it's you know it was the dolphins. I don't know what do you think I think he would have been close to the numbers that were just talking about. You know it's hard to say you know. He was so dominant Pittsburgh but a- he could have had the randy moss effect of going to different team. Great quarterback than any still might you know. He's young enough where he gets to latch on with the team potentially and have another great season at I'd bet against it but it could happen. Here's a pretty fascinating bit trivia about our ranks here and I struggled with this guy but none of us all seven of US ranked the player who scored the most fantasy points the wide receiver who scored the most fantasy points in this era really. Yeah none of us even put them. In our top six he has noticed the burgeoning twenty most cumulative rates Gerald Gerald. That's much better. Yes is fits and none of us even got him into the top six. I mean he was on the on the cusp for me. I want with Holt alert. Even drafted in the ultimate fantasy drafts. Yeah his peak sees just more along jeopardy guys. Peak seasons weren't necessarily that amazing well and We said this on the Monday episode but Beckham was not drafted. But I was not on Mount Rushmore. I think but I thought it was amazing that he had the most fantasy points per game in his rookie season of any wide receiver. In this era he only played twelve games but most per. That's pretty impressive. Then we bought him. We bought you his Jersey. And he's been downhill on all right tight end here we go. What's the what's the Mount Rushmore? Looking like a tight end I have so many notes you know. Who's I it is Rob Gronkowski for everybody to Rob Gronkowski? What Tony Gonzales? To Jimmy Graham Three Antonio Gates four also receiving votes Kelsey whitten. And George Kittle so Gronk Gonzales Graham Gates you have to have a g at the beginning of your last name to be on Mount Rushmore. Okay take it away guys. We were talking about with tight end. That's good news for no again. Tj GOK and look. I think it's obvious with Gronk being on there because he just completely changed the position but before he could change the position. Tony Gonzales changed position and it did not fled into negates. Because he was pretty damn amazing himself but those two for sure. It's funny because you've got groggy and Graham. You can call them one in one day when they were both running hot they were. Just unstoppable in fantasy gronk just a little bit more than Graham and Gonzales and gates. When they were playing at the same time it was close for a while. I think maybe gates may have pulled away but they both seem to be. You know at the top of the top for tight ends when they were both playing. I think you guys are wrong about Gronkowski. Third Explain Yourself. I write them third. Okay so Tony Gonzalez was the number one tight end and fantasy five times out of six seasons and five times overall lower than the other eighty. Five hundred dollars is nothing to do with. Adp from Nineteen Ninety nine through two thousand four or five. He was number one number one number one number two number one and number one and unsettled. Terrible okay he didn't score as many points as Gronk and Graham but he dominated the position for six straight seasons and really for like nine straight seasons so Gonzalez was an easy one for me and I don't think I'm GonNa too much pushback on that. Even though Chris Towers and I were the only ones who Gonzalez One. I understand why I had gronk three and Graham to why you'd push back on that but I just felt like I had to be consistent because I had grandma's my all decade team tight end overground because GRONK had some more bad seasons because of the injuries and It was just like it was. It was so close. Do you ever at any time draft Graham over. I doubt it. But that's the thing like gronk would let you down because he'd get hurt too much so I had Graham over gronk and but like Gronkowski. I was wrong about it. Hasn't been over at Brown. No I admitted of this conference calls over like Gronk is the best season ever grandma's a second best season ever by a lot. It's true why a lot if you care about this. His best season was only thirty. Fi. Fantasy points better than tight end to that your grams best season. He was eighty eight points better than tight end to. What do you think about that sucker? He was dominant that one year. I had him that. You're in was like Chico that year and he was good for the Holtz he had four years in five years of the Saints. Four years of yet top thirty seasons for a tight end in the span and his cousin eleven to thirteen are second and fourth in the Spanish position so he had four great seasons but the argument for Graham has peak because he after that stretch. After you left the saints he has never really been that much of a difference maker an argument for Gronk also peak and grunk speak. I think was higher. Even though he was hurt every time he was on the field he was good. It wasn't like see Graham wasn't good when he went to other teams been all right had four straight years as a top tight end gras. Drafting I district rocker Graham Grog. Totake Cody Gonzales. Gonzalez is longevity. Is Is Chris having you have no justification for having grog over Gonzales. I think you were just like. Oh groups the best tight end ever. I'M GONNA put him up there but in terms of fantasy. You know I'm right about this. Gonzales should be one no has two of the all time. Top Ten seasons at tight end including number one. Three top ten based on fantasy points per game including number one. He's done it. He's proven to be literally the best according to multiple definitions. Yeah I mean the Gonzalez cases that he was playing at a time when one time scoring wasn't as good right. But I also think it's fascinating that across seventeen seasons. He missed two games. He Played Sixteen Game Seasons fifteen times and he played fifteen games seasons twice. He never played fewer than fifteen games. He caught seventy balls. Fourteen time went over eight hundred yards. Thirteen Times he scored at least five touchdowns fourteen times and he also you know went over ninety catches five times when over one thousand yards four times and when in double digit scores three times. But that that's part of it is like okay. Yeah it's seventeen years and he was really really consistent but he only went over a thousand yards four times. He only went over double digit scores. Three times. I'm pretty sure Gronk went over. Dodge double digit scores more than that even though he was never healthy in the best chiefs Titan. Ib I just again number one number one number one number two number one number one six years five times number one I like. He played the score more points now than they did back. Then they score more points than you know in the early two thousand ten decade than they did when Gonzalez's time Gronk gronk matched his four thousand yard seasons even though he only played fifteen games. Four times and he had five double digit touchdown seasons Gonzalez and all that longevity only did it three times all no one is agreeing with you. Adam. I feel bad for you guys. I've tried to help here. You ever hear everybody say I wanNA see Gonzales Spike? No you WANNA see the loss bike. What is wrong with you well? We'll definitely say Gonzales. A better analyst. No pushback there. Let me ask you. This is the way you can spend an hour listening to one of them talk. Would you rather listen to doll- dollars that's what that's not even close yet outta here alright? So who's number four for you guys if Gonzales don't CBS? I would have voted for him. I who's number four for you guys? Cates Kelsey Yeah. This is a good gates on I A- CALC- to eight is a good five. That's that's what I had to. This was decided by just two points. It very close in the in the votes gates as well but this was really really close for the final spot. Wow why you why do you have calcio or gates on here? Jamie McAfee argument. I think he's done enough already. Though to prove that he's one of the best of the best top three season overall In terms of tight ends Graham has a better second season than Kelsey. I but those three Gronk Kelsey and Graham only three tight ends in this era average eighteen and a half points per game in season I just think he's. He's put himself on that plane already. So While Gates has all better longevity clearly. I think Chelsea's done enough in his time with his. I think what three finishes as a number one time to To put us up there so I I certainly could Can can take over over. Kelsey For the consensus. I see why guys that I believe. Pr He has been the number one tight end four straight seasons and that is war facebook so NPR. Yeah there was one year I think where Gronk was better than him in non PR. He was better in full. Pr But Adam. If you're gonNA give Gonzalez because of the air he played in. I mean gates from two thousand four two thousand ten. He caught at least eight touchdowns every year. Back when it was a touchdown or bus seat position for seven straight years he caught at least. Atv's he was eliminated. Those years have at least nine hundred yards probably a lot. Yeah how many times you have. Eleven hundred yards or thousands or you know like. I said over a thousand yards twice. He's had double digit touchdowns. Four Times Kelsey had four thousand yard seasons. They've been consecutive yet. Only once has he had ten double digit touchdowns he had ten and twenty eighteen who has scored more points. Because because he's Kelsey has more number one finishes plan the same errors Gonzalez but he was still the clear number two several times. I think you know who gets credit for Antonio Gates his. Nfl career. Philip rivers he PRISCO FRISCO GETS it so he convinced him. Yeah I just P. has told Many many times that he so we used to cover. I did this once. Beat that it. A billion times We used to cover the NCAA. Regional Tournaments The first the first dance term we cover the first round they then everybody that we had basically to to cover the first round of the NCAA tournament. So Pete was covering state and he saw it on your gates and he. He went over to him after the Games that you should play tight end gauges like really he said Yeah. You have a body for tight end. You'RE NOT GONNA make it in the NFL failure small powerful or go play in the NFL and feet. Every time he says every time he sees Antonio Gates he tells them Moore's my check never worked little Chelsea's best season was better than gates. His best season Kelsey. Second best season was slightly better than gates a second best. He's almost the same. I said Kelsey the best fancy title number for the piece This is the rocket Gonzalez argument. You're just making it backwards that you just made the other other side of the argument. No because I also have the number one finishes arguments supporting me in both cases basically. I'm just destroying your arguments. We chose Kelsey over again. Yeah I have no idea what I'm arguing about right now. I don't know what point I'll try to bake. I don't know anything else was tied into from thousand fourteen. Th that stretch. I talked about tied into Titan one tied in one tight end three tight end four titan three and Titan three tight on one twice topped for every season for seven straight years. That's pretty good but not as good wrong number one. Four straight years. I think I'd probably go Gates non PR Kelsey NPR. That's fair that's actually. I'll agree with that Right finally and then who was six in the consensus was wooden? Yep Whitton in a couple votes for Kelsey Kill. It does are bad. Boats goes votes. Jamie Dave were for witness because you like him with your call rabbit out of your head. A wooden was really good. He was really good at playing football. Yes it play guess. I should've clarified all right. Those are your Rushmore is ladies and gentlemen but USC for football younger crew coming. Oa hasn't been determined yet. Okay who do I want to see for Monday night? Football wrong for that Chris Collins worth can do every game as far as I'm concerned he's the best. Wow boy it's your network. 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You can get him at a steel was Hilar- edits Just Jefferson let me depends on format and everything else but I was lsu players. I was interviewing. Dj Chart at the pro bowl. Andrew Davies white came over and basically shove. Dj Shark either way and it was like if you WANNA win. He take. I forgot what number is semi. I think seventeen seventeen to twenty seven best way to win for Tiger Shark is probably my favorite pig for a cost considered redraft BEC- from Lsu. I like John. Lot this year Well Adams taking doesn't ever around six though or I'm going to get rid for taking over the last round eight and then everyone's going to say I'm taking him around six. Apparently so that that was that was me. You'll love this on the dynasty team. We Chair Fourteenth overall in the rookie draft steal. I can't wait to decay metcalf. This one like all the way home of the only want WanNa to decay metcalf last year genius from Colin somewhere in Michigan Not Naming East Lansing or Detroit. 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It's and I want to make an offer for kiddle is Earth's and one point eleven giving too much for kit or is that fair. Should I go for his three point ten to I mean if you can get three ten yes but I think that's fair agreed. Earth could be done after this year. I'm fine terms of being like atop that. Yeah kills a tight on one in my opinion in dynasty and yeah and hurts is trending down. So you're yeah you're giving up eleven. That's not great. But you're the gap between those two in dynasties larger than it said so put it put in terms of players because now we know where players are going so you're talking about herbs and any of Raygor Jefferson and probably not even regular but maybe Jefferson. What about rugs? Yeah rods. Long non-fox on yeah like that's what you're trading. It's a thousand percent worth and if you didn't get the third the third round pick in return that's great. So what did we learn today? Everybody They Need Law Randy Boston Rob Gronkowski over rated. 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122 - The New Middle East Peace - A Background - COVID origins reported

Republic Keeper - with Brian O'Kelly

1:02:41 hr | 4 months ago

122 - The New Middle East Peace - A Background - COVID origins reported

"Ooh. Welcome the Republic Uber. PODCAST. Brian Kelly I will be your host for today's adventure. Broadcasting from the forest in Cottage Lake Washington just outside of Seattle. On my russian-made. Taylor. M. To nineteen microphone. This is podcast number one, twenty, two. Hit Me. Up on parlor twitter facebook. It's at Brian Your Bro and at the Republic Uber Dot Com website for the social media connections. And more and welcome good morning. It's six am on the West Coast for those of you who get the podcast later to show is now live in the morning and the the phone lines. Maybe openly here in the show I got a lot of content so. You know the phones are there something we can we can utilize, but the reality is. Not Every day or we're going to try and do that. But today I. got a lot to go through the. The world is changing before our eyes and it is absolutely stunning. To See. The trump doctrine if you WANNA call it that or the trump approach to. The way the world is working here is I had a tweet yesterday said pieces breaking out all over and liberal still manage to object. And you know we're going go through that and this change in the Middle East is absolutely absolutely historic. And so let's the broadcast like we do all the time by thanking God for good health and the ability to be here sharing with you and this is listener supported broadcasting. So if you like what you're hearing you like what you're experiencing, please do visit the website and sponsored the show. We do need the help and. Just, so you know I don't get paid. All of the money that comes and goes into promoting the show and candidly. I could use a little more of that So you know you can promote promoted by sharing it with people and you can promoted by telling people about it whatever device you're on right now probably has a share button and headed and share it with people whether you're on the podcast or the live broadcast hour regardless and so. As we get rolling here. The thing that's happened in the Middle East here is we now have a historic peace agreement between. The United Arab Emirates, and Israel, which happened last week, and now we have the announcement of a historic agreement between Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates and the reason that these. Are So important and just to to set the table and I. Know that I hope that no one feels like I'm talking down to them by by showing too much through the history here but The reason, these are so important is that I say this There have been no. Arab states. Other. Than e Egypt. That have recognized Israel's right to exist. They've all said that Israel doesn't have a right to exist that the land doesn't belong to them that has been stolen from the Palestinians, all of it and that they have all insisted on the complete recapture of all of Israel. With the exception of the Accords between Egypt and Israel signed at Camp David Anwar. Sadat and Menachem Begin when Jimmy Carter was president and those were absolutely historic and that's a an achievement of Jimmy Carter that. You know is much to be valued I think and understood as historic. And so in that context now we have. This thing going on over here in the Middle East and so I wanNA give us a little bit of background on some of this, and so I'm GonNa play some video audio from way back we're going to jump into the way back machine real quick because I want you to understand that what is going on over here in Saudi Arabia. Because without Saudi Arabia. These things couldn't happen. Okay. This is absolutely the Saudis as a player in this. Are. Indus Indispensable 's at the right word. Yes. They're indispensable. We can make it couldn't happen without the Saudis Okay and so The Saudi Kingdom. For those who don't know is one of the handful of family monarchies still exists in the world. And let me just pull up here I. Think it was nineteen, thirty two. I, WanNa make sure I got the date right so that I'm not Talking out of you know the wrong place here. Nineteen, thirty, two, I believe. Is when. It became. Saudi Arabia. And the reason it became Saudi Arabia is because. A guy named Saoud. Okay Unified Four Kingdoms and I don't want to go too far back. But there were four factions that occupied the land that is Saudi Arabia in the. Saudi. And the the Patriarch of the family, and I think his name was let me just find it son not. Talking to my. Now, you know what? What. Was The guy's name doesn't matter? Anyway nineteen, thirty, two they became a kingdom and it's a family kingdom and it's a dictatorship and it's ruled by the Swan family. And the Saudi family. So in every one of these family dictatorships whether that's been. You know way way way back way back machine or in this current one, there is jockeying for position. Amongst the family members. And that's gone on in the Saudi Kingdom, and of course, as the kingdom has changed hands. The character of the has also changed hands and they have been more or less friendly to to the west, and since the inception of Israel Saudi Arabia has been uniformly Against the Israelis being in existence. Okay now. Why does this matter? Well. Saudi Arabia is. Like that eighth or ninth largest country in the world. in terms of the economy and I think they're the twelfth largest military. They get about half of their military stuff from us. Okay. So here we've got our ally democratic ally Israel on one side. and. We've got the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on the other side. And It had been mainly. Oil in exchange for. We'd pay them a ton of money and they wouldn't attack Israel now is kind of the deal for a really really long time. It was kind of this tacit deal that as long as you. Leave Israel on. And don't you know kind of become a belligerent in the neighborhood, you can sell all the all you want. Well. The wahabbist sect of. Islam. Started taking over in Saudi Arabia and some time in it appears the late seventies into the eighties is when it really Began and it was partly a response. To the Islamic Revolution in Iran. The Iranians Shiites and the Sunnis are or the the Saudis are. Sunnis. and. So as the Shiite fundamentalist ramped up these suny fundamentalist ramped up in response, it was kind of a a weakened me more funnel analyst than you can. Okay. And so. The Saudis then became a place where this will hobbyist radical Islam sect was. Growing and was based. and. One of the challenges in the family dynamic of a family came to Mike. This is you had the What happens in a hyper religious environment is you have religious shaming. Okay and so it was a we're more fundamentalist than you contest and if you weren't as fundamentalist as these were hobbyists, you were not taking things seriously. Okay and so. That's kind of been the landscape And then King, Fahd was the king there for a long time and I think it was. Let me see if I can see when did King Fahd die here so I don't get it right. I. Think it was ninety five or two, thousand, five I think Ashley's. King Fahd died in two, thousand, one, thousand, nine, hundred, five, he had a stroke and Crown Prince Abdullah took over. And over again, conflict Crown Prince Abdullah was running it but he was also having conflict with King Fahd's. Brothers. WHO WOULD HAVE CLAIMED KING Dies that not his son should be the air the prince but that they should be because they're still the son of the prior king right and so that's kind of also I'm right two, thousand, five, he died. So ninety five, he had the stroke two, thousand, five, he died and he was succeeded then by. Crown Prince. Abdullah. became the. Crown Prince. Make sense following me so far and I hope this isn't too. Much in the weeds so. Here, is the next kind of event that happens in this is why this is important is Crown Prince Abdullah becomes King Abdullah right and then King Abdullah. Dies there's new concern about the future of the Middle East this morning after the death of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah. One of America's closest allies. His successor is promising no major policy changes. President Obama said in a statement, the closeness and strengthened the partnership between our two countries is part of King Abdullah's legacy may God grant him peace mourners arrived for a state funeral that is going on right now, Margaret Brennan is at the state. Department. On how Abdullah's death will might affect US policy Margaret Good Morning. Good Morning Well King Abdullah will be laid to rest in an unmarked desert grave next past kings. It's all part of that kingdom's austere version of Islam yet while he will be remembered as now salute ruler, he was also a cautious reformer. Abdullah bin Abdelaziz the sixth. King. Of Saudi Arabia, died on Thursday. Throat State TV announced the monarchs passing. Soon after thousands gathered at one of the kingdom's holy sites to mourn his loss. Dulles almost a decade on the throne as ruler of the world's largest export custodian of the two holiest sites in Islam. Now world's largest oil exporter is no longer true. That's now the US. Extremely close ally of the United. States. A relationship that was strained but soon repaired. To the nine eleven terror attacks when it was revealed that fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi citizens in recent years. Abdullah criticized President Obama's outreach to longtime foe Iran and for his mostly hands off policy in Syria. But. He did send Saudi pilots to fight Isis alongside the US even with the Mideast in turmoil former diplomat, Daniel Server said expect to smooth transition. The family seems to want to ensure stability to be concerned with first and foremost is consolidating the continuity of the state Abdullah's half-brother Seventy nine year old son Mon- will assume the throne of the kingdom. Among Abdullah's legacies is his historic outreach to Israel and nudging along women's rights, he granted them the ability to vote in local elections and opened up some job educational opportunities though we did fall short of a promise to allow them to drive. But regardless of who runs this kingdom, it's oil for security that links the US in Saudi Arabia Jeff Barbara fronting. For security that links to kingdoms in that's kind of how it's worked is we have traded with them with weapons. We've given them weapons and we've given them. The assurance of being an ally to them in exchange for the continued free flow of oil at market prices right and what that has meant for a really really long time is that the Saudis? Basically able to dictate some. Of our policies to us or have been able to because we couldn't make them too mad. When we made them angry. They just turned up the price of oil because they were the controlling. Partner in OPEC OPEC was You know Saudi Arabia is still is and Venezuela. which was a plot power player in there and So there's big changes in the landscape and one of them is that now under the trump presidency with the expansion of fracking, which is much criticised. And perhaps with good reason, maybe I'm not smart enough to know why it should be but. With the expansion of fracking. Now. The US is the number one oil exporter. What that means is that the Saudis don't dictate policy to US anymore. We dictate it to them. We don't need them at the table they need us at the table. We have weapons and oil they have oil. We have a strong army and oil they have oil. And they have a strong army too but it's nothing like ours. So the next phase of this thing was King Abdullah. You know passes away there in Kingston Bin, Salman the brother takes over and then in two thousand fifteen. I think I mean just make sure I. Get it right. So I don't want to. Make. Because otherwise you know what will happen is somebody will take a video clip of this and say see the right wingers are all fake news. They don't even know their history. So let me get the date right but I believe it was two thousand fifteen. That That Prince bin Salman took over So yeah. I'm not finding. It doesn't matter it re just don't quote me on it and don't hold me to it but Princeton Salman took over and Prince bin Salman. Because of the Iran deal. How would we say this? Nicely. He was super pissed off. Excuse my French. He was really angry. About the Iran deal because what had happened is that the Iranians had been frozen out of most international relations for decades. The sanctions had been working the people in Iran were or. Closer to overthrowing their government than ever. And the regime there was desperate and they were trying to build a nuclear weapon to give them some leverage because they had no leverage and so Barack Obama went in and said, here's money. And they said Oh we'll take the money. We'll still build the weapon we'll just lie to you about it and so. Long. Story short everybody. If you remember Benjamin Netanyahu went to the UN I believe or whatever give a big public speech about how dangerous the Iran deal was and how he was selling out Israel's security and the Saudis were also against this deal because is strengthened their rival in terms of influence in the Middle East and what they see as a religious heresy also, and so despite the what we saw in the prior video clip or Obama said that you know he expected everything to be just fine in terms of a relationship. Here's how. Their relationship had soured from when from on nine eleven. this you know contentious relationship because of the attacks. And President Bush repairs it. You can see that and then president Obama comes in and starts being according Iran and here's what it looks like when bin Salman assumes the Throne President Obama met for two hours today with Saudi Arabia's new king at a time when the friendship between our nations is strained to say, the least Margaret Brennan is there forest tonight in Riyadh Margaret. Scott President Obama was met by small delegation, not the usual pomp and ceremony often given to visiting world leaders. His arrival wasn't even broadcast on Saudi TV. Senior Saudi officials have made clear that the relationship with the US will only improve after President Obama leaves office the Saudis are particularly angry about that nuclear deal with Iran and they believe that only the next president whether it's Hillary. Clinton or even Donald Trump will be able to restore Saudi Arabia's status as America's key ally in the mid east Saudi leaders. Also flatly reject President Obama's description of them as free riders to reliant on American military might most importantly Scott because they say the US needs Saudi Arabia to help defeat Isis and al Qaeda Margaret Brennan traveling with the President in the Kingdom Tonight Margaret Thank you. I was I was wrong on that. That was. Crown Prince bin Salman. It's King Been Som- but Crown Prince bin Salman is now running the country and. In two thousand fifteen is when he kind of assumed leadership of the country over there and what bin Salman did is he decided he wanted to clean up corruption. And corruption. Doesn't mean what we would think it means. Corruption means anyone who stood in opposition to the regime is what corruption means in this context and so That's kind of a different Meaning for it than what we would normally mean. So I'm going to jump into a break real quick and right after the break we'll be back and I'll show you what we mean when he handled. 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It's intended to be somewhat. Not, so much time less but not so much time sensitive either so I told you I was GonNa talk to you about what cleaning up corruption means in Saudi Arabia and what it meant is that anybody who had been opposed to the kingdom? Regardless, of the righteousness or lack thereof of their 'cause I ended up detained and they put them in Nice hotels. But they were prisons remarkable times in Saudi Arabia. The hugely influential Sunni Muslim kingdom. There's been an unprecedented anti corruption perch with sweeping arrests of senior politicians and business leaders and members of the Royal Family and a Saudi Prince and seven other officials have been killed in a helicopter crash near the country's border with Yemen where Saudi Arabia is involved in a bitter civil war will tell us understand all of this our security correspondent. Frank Gardner joins US frank what a weekend for the Kingdom let's just talk about these coaches, I. Hamad. Bin Salman is seeing you know as as as a modernizer. So just tell us what all this means. These are incredible times in Saudi Arabia. There's never been anything quite like it, and in some ways, it's very exciting. His supporters are saying, this is the man who's going to lead us to the future who's setting the stage for a modern economy and modern society and jobs for all the millions of Saudis, who are pouring out of schools and universities others though especially, the older guard are extremely worried by these these changes that are happening very fast by Saudi standards this country unused to sudden change, and he is certainly amassing enemies amongst those older guard people. What happened to the weekend is that eleven senior princes including Prince Alwaleed bin Talal? Were detained. into some dark dungeon, they are reportedly staying in great comfort at the Ritz, Carlton Hotel or and other similar place. But the fact that they've been these very high profile establishment figures have been removed and very important. The head of the national. Guard Prince Matab bin Abdullah has been removed relieved of his command that removes at a stroke the final obstacle to the crown prince. Having total control over the country. Now, normally, it's his father King Salman, who's doing this the king, but he's eighty two and everybody inside ABC's this as the hand of the very ambitious dynamic and controversial crown prince whose only thirty two with very little experience. It's extraordinary. We're just getting in the last few minutes attorney general of Saudi. Arabia saying that this is just phase one. Indeed implying that there's more to come the idea that these people are really the spearhead of corruption inside Arabia. I. Think is a little bit hard to swallow because. The way businesses been done by them is the way business has been done by many people inside Arabia at all levels for a very long time. It was ever thus the arms deals inside the Arabia were always done in the past in the form of kickbacks in other words your the buyer I'm the seller and I pay Raum more than the inflated price. You take the difference that's what happened in the pulse. I can't say it's still happening today sudden. And the reality is that that that this idea that they had that? That this was purging corruption it was really just purging anybody who didn't want to do it. prince. Bin Salman. And Princeton Salman. Has Been the driver here in wanting Saudi Arabia to not be a how do I say this? Nicely. A. Medieval backwater. Okay Prince bin Salman. Came in and said. Okay women you can drive. Princeton Solomon said, okay women, you can go to university. Princeton Salman said that women can now travel abroad without a male escort. Okay Princeton Salman is a guy who would much rather be in dockers and a polo shirt. Then in the official, you know white robes in all the stuff of the Saudi crown. He's much more of L. A. Western cat. Okay, he's you know. you know cargo shorts. And flip flops, Kinda Guy. is who he really is. He's western educated spent a lot of time in Europe. He doesn't walk around here in all all that you know Saudi stuff he walks around Europe in Polo shirt? and. This is kind of how he wants to have. Saudi Arabia be he understands that the West is not going to travel to. Saudi Arabia Because of how it is there you understand that that You know most Western women do not WanNa put on a he job to go on vacation. And do not want to be under threat of the religious police on the street for being unaccompanied without a male escort. And so. He doesn't want that for his country. He wants to change Saudi Arabia and changed the perception of it. Now unfortunately, he's also a brutal dictator like every dictator he abuses his power and he abused it in the case of Jamal Kashogi, who was the reporter for the Washington Post. Today's coincidence news just hours after trump floated. The idea that Washington Post journalist Jamal Shoghi was potentially murdered by rogue killers. It seems the Saudi government is planning to give an explanation that absolves the crown prince and NBS. Of any blame NBC news reporting the Saudis Claim. Kashogi did die in their consulate in Turkey, but it was an interrogation attempt gone wrong and just a short time ago, trump check them with his secretary of State Mike Pompeo who's in Riyadh today tweeting just spoke with the Crown Prince of Saudi. Arabia, who totally denied any knowledge of what took place in their Turkish. Consulate he was with the Secretary of State Mike. POMPEO during the call and told me that he has already started and will rapidly expand a full and complete investigation into this matter. Answers will be forthcoming shortly twentieth onset now former director now NBC? News senior national security analyst John Brennan. We've been dying to talk to you about this for days. Your thoughts on Donald Trump previewing the Saudi line on rogue killers before he joined the Saudis Charter to that. Now, I want to just say here it's important that John Brennan. Was the CIA station chief in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. John Brennan speaks fluent Arabic. Okay and it's been reported and I don't know if it's true but it's been reported that John Brennan also speaks is is converted to Islam. And whether that's true or not doesn't matter Except that, it gives context for the WHO the speaker is here. But in terms of background, he was the CIA station chief in Riyadh and he does speak Arabic and so he has some authority. With which he speaks here. Well I'm sure that Donald Trump has been talking to his national security team and they've been floating ideas about what possibly could be the explanation for this as well as what could be a possible. Explanation of what happened despite the facts and reality. So this idea of killers is one that probably was bandied about I don't believe from moment the fact that this took place inside of a Saudi diplomatic mission in Turkey. And there were planeloads of Saudis that went there. NBS Mohammed bin Salman. The crown prince has stranglehold over the Saudi government security and Intelligence Apparatus I. Find It so far fetched that anything. Now has a stranglehold over the security apparatus is absolutely true and I'm agreeing with Brennan here when he says that it's far fetched that. It could happen without bin Salman Noyer about like this could happen without his intimate knowledge and approval beforehand, and you aren't suggesting former intelligence officials have said that there's not much likelihood that his PD said, one scenario is Rhode killers saying that one of the nation's national security advisers may have told him to expect from MB s was that it was a rogue element in security force I. Don't know what he was told by Nascar, team of by the intelligence officials that he's been talking to We'll be right there. John Brennan didn't know because he was already out of the government at this point. So but regardless, if the points still stands that it's unlikely that Mohammed bin Salman. Didn't know about this attack and wasn't in fact, probably behind it some level now. What happened now and this is really important because. Trump. Didn't come out and condemn Mohammed bin Salman at this point, and you know the criticism of trump has been that he courts dictators right that there's no dictator that trump doesn't like and though dictator that trump. Doesn't want to be associated with and why does trump? Do this well. Trump's in sales. And I'm in sales. And here's what I know from being sales. Okay I know that. You're not going to close sales with people. With whom you have high levels of animosity. Your if you WANNA have. Your discussion move forward. You're going to have to figure out how to have report. and. It was pretty clear that. Jamal Kashogi was murdered. He murdered because he was not friendly to Mohammed bin. Salman. Ordered by the regime? Trump had to make a decision. Don't to break the relationship with Saudi Arabia over this. Don't want to publicly shame the crown prince. To not just the American people. But to his people. And to the world I want to do that. And so trump decided not to do that. And the reason is because he wanted to move this relationship forward now I've been developing new. I shouldn't say developing theory because that's that makes it sound like there's you know. Research or something going on there's not but I've been. Considering an idea. and. The idea I've been considering is that trump speaks Arabic. or at least understands it. and. As you watch trump watch him when people are speaking Arabic in the background and watch his face. It's one of attention. And interest. Interest. And that could just be coincidental that he seems to have attention and interest on his face and I'm going to find some clips, pull them together. Maybe share with you guys. But Watch next time you see trump with a multinational thing and there's an interpreter in the room speaking Arabic he seems to have a look of understanding on his face. I don't see the same. Interest understanding when the interpreters speaking Russian or Farsi or something else. So. Long Story Short. All this money went to Iran under the pallets of cash right and so Iran then used it to fund what their proxies right and proxies being Hezbollah their proxies being Bashar, Al Assad in Syria. And Isis was also interesting proxy right and so. That prompted this. Brennan. Is Our senior foreign affairs correspondent correspondent and moderator of face the nation and she joins US Margaret. You I know have been talking to all of your sources. Is there a sense of urgency within the administration or overseas to act? Well because the president's red line was not crossed, there were no American lives lost here. He hasn't necessarily boxed himself into military action at frankly the diplomats are still trying to figure out what comes next and they're just buying time. We do know the trump administration right now is looking at blocking some Iranian officials from visiting the UN in New York next week they're also considering some additional sanctions here but the major focus is on building an airtight case to make to the public that it was Iran behind this attack. Why don't the Saudis retaliate or are they waiting for the US to act? Yes. Nor they're hedging themselves today they just said those were Romanian made weapons. They have not even admitted that Iran fired or that they were launched from Iranian territory. They've got some domestic politics here. They've got to soothe concerns that they were so vulnerable even armed to the teeth with the best weapons, money can buy their crown jewel was left so vulnerable and that the United States with its powerful military and the very best intelligence was also totally caught off guard. That's the fascinating part of this as well. Thank you, Margaret. Chase was very important. Okay. The Iranians attacked. The oil production facilities in Saudi Arabia. And when they did the. Domestically from a Saudi. Standpoint. The question is, Hey, we're supposed to have the strong military protecting us and we're supposed to have the US, our ally protecting us how come it didn't protect us. and. You know. One of the things we should really consider is that when people talk about protection, what they mean is ability respond because the ability to actually stop attacks. In terms of like missile defense and those kinds of things is pretty limited. So not all sets the table for the trump administration coming in and you know in. Very early, in the trump administration, we had these purges we had the Jamal Kashogi murder we had this attack on. The port over there, and so then the trump administration pulls out of the Iran deal. And what does that do? Let's signals to the whole world. That we are not with them. And what does that mean for the Arab World? It means you might be with us and see this is important because many people don't really understand that the Arab world and the Persian world or not the same. The Arabs and the Persians if you can you call an Iranian and Arab, it's it's an insult. Not that it's been salting to be Arab, but it's an insult that they were confused with an Arab. They don't consider themselves to be Arabs. They consider themselves to be Persians and they consider the Persian culture to be superior and so on and so forth and the Arabs have the same view, and this is literally thousands year old rivalry that is has played out and is playing out over here and so Obama chose the Obama by team chose the Persian side of the rivalry. And that's why the Saudis were so angry. Now The Iranians. The only thing they had in common have in common with the Saudis and the Arabs. Is the stance on Israel. It's literally and they bolts. Revere the Prophet Mohammed and and the Koran but they their religious approach is different. They consider themselves not to be co-religionists. They consider themselves each other to be religious heretics. And so When it comes to The commonality, it was their hatred for Israel or their their common belief that Israel didn't have the right to exist. That's the only thing that united the Islamic world at any level and so what happened is that? Oh. Mama. Funds Iran and that allows the Persian. Side the Shiite side of the equation. That's the Persian and Pakistani side. If you will of the equation up into Afghanistan some level though that starts to become suny again, the kind of and then there's a whole Amadeus Act, which is a third more. Too in the weeds on Islam thing but the point is that. The Obama. Iran deal funded the wrong side of the equation Now Obama of seen it as a balancing the equation, and let's be fair I know if that's what they saw. But in the end, what it did, it kept the enmity for Israel alive on both sides. And so what trump did is went in and said to. By stopping the Iran deal, he made the statement to the Arab world. Were not with them. That means we could be with you. Now Trump and bin Salman Crown Prince Salman have known each other for two decades. K So. Their relationship predates his political involvement because you don't do business in Saudi Arabia without the royal family, and if you're modern and building hotels that means Prince. Bin Salman. And so from new him from prior and so what that now has resulted in is this deal with the UAE and Bahrain. And why do I say that trump's relationship with bin Salman result in that why am I spent all this time on Saudi Arabia when the announcements are with the U. A. in Bahrain Well when you get a chance to get out of map. Bahrain in the UAE both border Saudi Arabia. Bahrain and the UAE both exist with the permission of. Saudi. Arabia. Saudi Arabia can crush either of those states at a moment's notice the reason that they existed as separate and still exist as separate is because the Saudis have used for them as separate. Don't get confused that they exist out of some strength or out of the Saudis respect for them. So here is trump's announcement. I believe this is yesterday. These agreements prove that the nations of the region breaking free from the failed approaches of the past the people of the Middle East will no longer allow hatred of Israel to be fomented as an excuse for radicalism or extremism. So important. And they'll no longer allow the great destiny of their region to be denied. This really important that they won't allow the hatred for Israel and so. One of the. Things even that came out is a Saudi. Cleric saying that we shouldn't have. Fervent Hatred for Israel. So here is, of course, that's a historic deal the trump announces right and so. You got to have the other side, right. So Nancy Pelosi had to weigh in and here's what she had to say. Good for him for having a distraction on a day when the numbers of people who are affected the numbers of people who are dying from this virus only increases. While really. Good for him for having a distraction. Let's just I mean really good for him for having a distraction I want to hear it again. Let's just here. For Him for having a distraction on a day when the numbers of people who are affected and the numbers of people are dying from this virus only increases. than sound rational to you designing and sound sane or reasonable good for him for having a distraction. It's a distraction that we have now the Arab world. Now three states four states we have Jordan Egypt. The, and Bahrain who all recognize Israel's right to exist. And the. That can only happen with. Saudi permission. So let me give you a prediction market down in your calendars. Tell me I'm crazy later. No problem. Saudi Arabia will announce the right for Israel to exist before the election. That's the next step. This is paving the way and there may be one or two more states before it. Here is Secretary of State Mike pompeo on this historic accord for decades. This town foreign policy respect to the Middle East gave the Palestinians of veto right said that they could echina- way that prevented any Arab nation from engaging with the most important democracy in the middle. East whether that's commercial security relationships I'm all the ways that nations interact We took a different view we laid out a vision for peace. That had a another element which was the recognition that the primary be stabilizing force in the middle. East was not the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians was rather the threat us by the. extra territorial ambitions of the clerical regime in Iran. So we flipped what the previous mission administration was doing on its head. We identified are honest the strategic threat to the United States of America and began to lay out a set of policies that would deliver security for the American people. We are now delivering a set of outcomes that will reduce the cost. In one from our American servicemen and women in treasure from the American taxpayer and risk to the United States of America. What will today at the White House is a set of countries who came to the same conclusion that we did a what was in their best sovereign national interest to recognize the state of Israel to normalize relations to the role relationships with them and build out security relationships around that I think is recognizes the reality that the Gulf states have recognized. It shouldn't go without notice that only have these nations chosen to recognize Israel a when the Gulf states all got together and the Palestinians demanded that the reinstatement denouncing what took place that did not occur frankly only two countries. That have a mentally denounced this for around in Turkey. and so yes, there is a big shift in how these alliances are set of the previous administration took an Iran centric focus on old hundreds of millions of dollars to these lawmaker bubble government to enable them to underwrite has the Shia militias in Iraq undermined Lebanese, and Iraqi. Sovereignty instability created chaos inside. Of Syria, this administration's taken a fundamentally different approach grading an opportunity for increase stability in the Middle East less risk to America should take the Iranians word for what they think about the set of agreements. They think this fundamentally is a detriment, their security. They have hus- made accusations about their Muslim brothers that are outrageous about. And it is frankly shown the true anti Semitic nature of the regime in Iran as well. So. Yeah, truly showing the. Antisemitic. Nature of the regime in Iran and of course, Anti Semitism is plentiful in. The Middle East and it's cool to see I. Love the live broadcast because. Awesome to see. Randy watching and that's cool and Kathy and it's kind of cool to see who's plugging into check it out. So that's really fun as thanks for joining this morning and if you finding a again. In what you see here. Feel free to go and visit the the link on the screen and the Patriots Dot Com Slash Republic Keeper Lincoln sponsor the show. So I can continue to move this content forward now on. This is amazing. Because this is a Reuters report from yesterday and what Mike Pompeo basically said there is that we have taken the fundamentally different approach and what that means is that they're boxing around in. Okay, Iran is sanctioned by the EU. There sanctioned by now they're going to end up not sanctioned by their already sanctioned by the Arab world. They don't do business with them for the most part. They're only commonality has been this thing about Israel and so as these relationships get normalized with Israel. The Iranians end up being the odd man out with basically one friend the world being you know Russia. And China, and so take a listen to this report from Reuters, which I found to be kind of unbelievable. The and Bahrain sign the historic treaty normalizing diplomatic ties with Israel at the White House on Tuesday further evidence is emerging that attitudes are shifting across the Arab world towards Israel. One of them is in Saudi Arabia a regional rival to the. Also hit. A recent sermon from one of Saudi Arabia's leading clerics cold from Muslims to avoid quote passionate emotions and fiery enthusiasm tools Jews. Tomorrow Change. In tone from Imam Abu Rachman days competitive previous emotional statements. He's made about the plight of the Palestinian people. In the past, the cleric has prayed for Palestinians to have victory over what he called invade an aggressive. And not to Israel. However said, they says, new remarks reference a relationship between them I'm Prophet Muhammed. Who the HYPO- treated the Jews of kyw equally untreated his Jewish neighbor well. Why This is super important. There's a thing in Islam. Because people the book right and there are concepts about hospitality and there are also concepts about war and it depends which part of Islam people focus on what kind of Islam they end up practicing, and so the Wabi sect has always focused on the warlike and so for a prominent Saudi cleric to be coming out and talking about how the Prophet had relations with the Jews. This is unbelievable finish. Who? Saudi Arabia is expected to follow the UI in Bahrain anytime sing bought a normalization agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia would have been seen as an inconceivable prospect in the past. It would also be a big diplomatic prize for Benjamin Netanyahu's government. Needs because Saudi Arabia's king rules is Islam's holiest sites. And controls the world's largest exploitation and supply of oil. Right, and so obviously, that would be a huge huge deal and I'm he the reporters not predicting it anytime soon I am. I'm predicting it very soon. So only a few minutes left in the program, I'm going to take a quick break. And I will be right back and we're going to have a little bit about the origin of the corona virus just in case you missed it on. Tucker. Carlson last night I had the doctor on yesterday's program. I believe maybe it was Monday there are running together now but she also is on Tucker Carlson exploding that a little bit more and I want to share it with you So we will do that. Right after I get back from. The break. Hopefully I can. Do it right. Let's find out. Be Right back. Home. Something to be proud of politics. Or the protection family home for the Afghans Stan I was on patrol March Twenty six, two, thousand, ten during a dismantle patrol. 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Glad to have you and we're GONNA finish up with talking a little bit about the crow virus and where it came from This is courtesy of Tucker Carlson's program from last night he had Dr Lee when Yan I believe hope I'm not getting her name wrong on and Leeann Magnon I'm sorry talking about. The coronavirus and the origin of it, and here is what she had to say okay. Briefly from my first report, I can present that Saudi scientific evidence to our audience that they virus eight, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two virus actually as not from her. Not from Nature Eight, a man made virus create created in the lab based on the China military this car and owned the very unique bat coronavirus which cannot affect people but after the modification become very harmful myross at now. So I have anything to show why they can do eight, what they have done, how did they do it? So it's a Bat Krahn virus it normally can't infect people but they've modified it and she says she has evidence how and so she continued. Yes exactly based on the virus genome is basically like our fingerprint. So you can see the very unusual characters in their genome, which could nearly based on other evidence. They laughed the arena modification we can say finale days as. The won come from their own special bath coronavirus and then target human. Okay, and so that didn't really make a ton of sense to me or I think to Tucker, and so he asked to clarify question which is, will you know like how do you know that This whole thing is You know made a made in the in the lab right and so here's what she says. Yes, there is nobody wants say s because after big suppression, Tom From the Chinese Communist Party government and also the're friend and scientific word. So basically, this is very clearly that this virus like Frankas ton. So Hey, he's those things like basically how has the years had has rabbitohs year and also how monkeys hand so they can narrow get eight from the nature and their everything the math in the Gino by the scientific war the also silas walk the gather Chinese Communist Party they don't want people to know these truths also, that's why I got suspended I get surprised. I I am the target that Chinese Communist Party one of beat these shared. Want her disappeared and so. I want to add one more thing in this, and this is from Hollywood and it's from a completely different direction but it relates very much to what she was just saying about the information getting suppressed. This is Judd appetito on. China getting how trying to Hollywood the sensor itself for me I think what? I What I perceived as more chilling is a corporate type of censorship that people don't really notice, which is a lot of these giant corporate entities have business with. Countries around the world Saudi Arabia or China, and they're just not going to criticize them and they're not gonna let their shows criticize them or they're not going to air documentaries that go deep into truthful areas because they just make so much money. So while we're all going, you know, can we say this joker not say that joke? On a much bigger level they have just completely shutdown critical. Content about human rights abuses in China and I think that's much scarier. You're talking about global conglomerates that say we still need to be able sell a version of this in China and word we're not even going to accept this. In what's already been green lit? Let alone something that's more provocative or dies in the in the. In the Pitch Phase Hey, I want to write a movie about the concentration camps in. China. The and Muslims and concentration camps a movie about someone who escapes. no-one would would buy the patch. Right, now, how do you think? That impacts the fact that the New York Times has some Chinese ownership. That summer media companies have Chinese. Ownership and that they have opportunities to have Chinese media channels. How do you think it impacts Google and facebook and some of these others instead of US doing business with China and that leading to China becoming more free? What has happened is a place like China? Has. BOUGHT OUR SILENCE WITH THEIR MONEY? And that's the carrot side. You said there's only four endings. Yeah. But in foreign policy, there's really only two tools and you know the other. Day. Yeah. Well, there's no stick lately, I, mean we haven't heard about this. A long time stick would be a situation like the interview. Because we do need a movie that says, Hey, people are being mistreated North Korea, and so the aftermath of that might be. If you wanted to pitch that today nobody would ever consider it. But what is the result of that is we never wake up our country or the world through art or satire that people are being mistreated. In our country or other countries, and so that's very dangerous. It is very dangerous. Because we're supposed to be able to count on both the press and at some level, the arts to reflect back into criticize what's happening in the public sphere, and if these sources are silenced that's not good for anybody I don't think that's the direction that we want to move in and it seems like that's kind of where we're going is that we've already got a solves where most of the media is silent on criticism of one particular party and. Anyway. There you go. So that's kind of the thoughts and I will share one last thought with you on this China virus thing and I am calling it the China virus it apparently was made by China. In a Chinese lab. And released on the world for purposes of hurting the world and giving the Chinese and advantage. And any other universe that would be a a declared act of war and why it's not I can only assume. It's because the reality is that there are too big to challenge and what that means is that. She is learning from this that he can act with impunity and it's not going to matter whatsoever. So. We'll leave off with the normal stuff guys remember. The listening is the website or republic. Uber Dot Com. It's under its in construction. I'm not happy with it. I don't like the way it looks especially on the mobile phones. We're GONNA, fix that up remember to pray for me I need wisdom balanced insight and. Remember to share the show and also support the shelter and. That's not. More chilling. More Briggs, type of sense that people don't really know how about if I push the right button. Yeah. Mobile Amateur Hour and like I said I could use an engineer but that's way down the road. Thanks again for listening and hope you have a great day talk to you soon.

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Autosport@70 - Choosing the greatest touring car of all time

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Autosport@70 - Choosing the greatest touring car of all time

"Welcomes all sports. Seventy podcasts also is seventy years old and as part of the celebration decided to take on the challenge of picking out some of the greatest cars from various categories in. History and this episode is about the greatest touring car and I'm pleased to say to special guests joining me I'm chief. Kevin Sir I'm I guest is the WHO's well driven race against or commentated on many of calls on this list. It's ninety nine, hundred, six, hundred, car champion. Tim Harvey Welcome Tim How you? Yeah very good. Thank you very much. Good. To see you good. See Marcus covering during college again this year. Yes. That brings us to a second gas. Marcus. Simmons and as Tim hinted, their burn marks is covering Hristo again, this year having originally done it back in nineteen ninety s so marcus, you'll. You'll British to uncommon. Is Not so broad as well. Yeah, quite broad A. Span of years but probably a little bit dipping in some cases in the mentioned had the other divinely with Tokyo on the fight. At. That said, the pledge full six probably hasn't made this list and. That's really where tonight saving the Fast Price Iowa. So usually, he wasn't quite as Chafer limb as we know many nothing. Four six, he's not on the list all articles lower eyelid winning in Germany with. We all China. International here I'll just goggles with have I guess a little bit of a boss towards towards the BBC say. So and the main criteria we're going to be looking at is a house successful. The calls were how much they changed the game did they being in an innovation that so everyone else had to follow and am the sort of gets out of jail free college fever writing, which basically how do we lack car? Was it cool to watch? It's side I am the very first one is a bit of a bit of a fan favorite. Really it's the mini. Which? Schooled a bridge authorities with Jomo Moa John Love, Alec, Richard Longman also on European touring. Car Championship least famous level actually the board Bathurst in nineteen, sixty, six, which I suspect. Most people don't remember that it completely club everyone that year. So so tim, what would you? Say This is sort kicked off the front wheel drive revolution. She's become the standard foot for most story and cars. Yeah. Absolutely I. Mean you're the mini was a very adaptable call. Let's not forget one the multi collar Riley was successful in circuit racing and continues to be of provide incitement is anyone who sold the mini challenge rations proprietors we look for agree. Yeah. Fantastic. Place it. A unique in perfect designed called sex. From significance in the first place and you know it proved very adaptable, successful, easy to round com I've never raced driven plenty many many many coupe was my parents Usta Auto Cross mayonnaise hill-climb Mideast united. So it was Paul by growing up I suppose as A. Judging by levels of how it changing things yes it was cool. Yes. It was a game changer and it had a lot of success. So you're right on this list I. think my I don't know how you feel about this Marcus, but I was considered a mini as almost like a formula Ford Zoran causing the sense that I wouldn't typically go watch one guy man on his own. But when you go pack passing says so of Christ fantastic rising city mentioned the many media is that will the paddock hanging onto the fence the? Back of the paddock, watching them guy on the strike from Grind Hill, Ben two Saturdays a couple of weeks ago certain comedy singing and it was just fantastic entertainment. I am now context. They the the nineteen sixties minis were. They were very much a similar deal. We'll always amazes me is that time when? I. Kind of covering tearing 'cause originally in the nineteen nineties at Pool State Nail. I was always absolutely flabbergasted that either them could have gotten themselves into admitting because very big lakes. But said I. have. To remember the longevity as what else we talk about the the classic mini if you. And I was you'll have mentioned Richard Longman winning championships and that was the twelve sharp j. in the late nineteen seventies. So that's as redact them from from when it fast appeared in them. It was it was the small cost. The upsets you hundred Sake Qassemi? Up, against Allison Hillman avengers and things like that. But said, and it definitely hugely successful car and if not the most exciting in its rights Welsh. And the other the other issue I have a few times on this place with the mini as as the idiosyncratic cloth system existed untorn 'cause bridgestone cows meticulous before the to lead to era, and that's how it wanted. Championships alert didn't win ten races outright they rule in the days when they separated the classes outside. Despite its status as a joint killer, it didn't actually ever bait the biggest off for overall victory in the BTC. nothing made posting that counts slightly in terms of the this debate so. Tim Do. You think we should be putting the mini through at the end of his to buy or can we saw lose it now with an honorable mention? I think that's a difficult one because at the end of the day. Tracy in those days was a cost structure and it was successful as it could be in its class. You can't ask for ready any more of that. In the fact, they did do the killing performances on occasions actually only enhances it sits credibility I suppose if you only take the race winning cars that isn't always the best thing but other no are. The subject good missed calls. Do we put how many we gonNA have in our final shoe list? Well I. Think we've got some ten to twelve to discuss and I reckon if we take maybe four to five through to the fall in order to really debate about the end but if it six disaster. Have them as we go. Okay well I, put it at the bottom of your potential list to go through the. Okay, fair enough we can immediately move onto another car that won the won the championship as a result of. Blouse system, but I did also win races outright. In Bridge. Touring cars. Food Largest Cortina, which is another conic car real drive. So the re the driven wheels in the right place as far as on. I, Marcus this this one of the hugely successful in historic racing now but really there was one driver in particular. With, certain in Britain anyway exactly and obviously whenever anyone mentions Jin clocks I mentioned his nineteen sixty full precipitated championship. Success. Out and. To me. That the latest. Tena. Was a little bit before my time and at a Colorado tonight serie watching it in historic racing. Just one thing I would say about it is. Just the. The, why? The white with the green stripe just looked so elegant and on this. Fish tiling. Machine. With the with the from Wales Lifting and Tomato that is. The Way I economy causing. Quite, often ivy as but said, that is an iconic image of nineteen sixties touring rising and and it was successful as well. I'm far beyond the shows as well. It was Nippy as San. Had A lot of success in in European racing site. So that was that was. That was a great car for the time and but not the mini for me. It's not going to quite make it my top or five. What about you? Any any experience with with. Tina. Some experience I haven't raised one of the. modern Coal, Tina's. My touring counts polyps but again, it was a, it was a call. I had low of exposure with growing up. Again my parents used to to Reysen. Gerson used. Was a family of families school run car as well But yeah, I mean in terms of coolness, which is a factor. This is a really cool car at the and in. Terms of how much chaves gain? Yes. The amalgamating of. The full colty now calling Chapman, latest twin cam engine it was. A really a game changer special thing and it had an undoubted level success I'll put it about the mini or would agree with that. I kind of think of it is the first super saloon although I suppose giant fans. My argue that the mark to effectively next the sky detailed engine in, it would have been a pretty silliness. Well, coast. Tina days. have finished jagged domination of the early days of racially chance yet. and. Yet European tour 'cause Tessa Joan Whitmore in sixty scored against pretty heavy out for my positions. I don't so reliable always the reds goal to the allemand man the cavs as well. So. Yes a worthy definitely word candidate this list, but I agree probably won't go through I. Think the fact that Jim. Jim Clark won all of its Driving Race League coach Cianci I think tells you something about the driver as well as the car so Move on from the Korte to something completely different. Now, they're number of the tanks could have made this list, the Ford Galaxy, which is well, well nine outside absolutely enormous, which restored for many job as historic Rice's going up against it. But actually Ovo was the call ended Jackie domination. Lost in a long the Ford Mustang took over. Full Falcon. So they rule 'cause at one, the one to Gary for here is the Chevrolet Camaro. Like. The Mustang. Also wanting transam mouth on. NC, Ronca success in the late sixties. The seventies the really became the cars have in richly and cart championship actually only one, one, champion, hundred, seventy, three. With Frank Gob took fifty, three hour wins in the British link CIANCI, which is a I, think the second most all the calls on this on this list. So what do you think think your fan of big powerful causes come on a bit more logic it really isn't it? Yeah. Absolutely. Loved the car a the result. So obviously. Very. anything caveat I would say against is It A it was a hammer to crack nuts and what was the what was the competition when it was winning fifty three races because you know it, it really was head and shoulders above everything else at the time unless the question are as a car absolutely fantastic brute force. Plenty of power the fact that it could win on UK circuits which are predominantly quite tight as opposed to the foster American circuits. To its credit. Rating. As aspect astute grind the bounce it a couple of years while on the front lawn is at the time and he said actually let's go reputation house being a big panels didn't handle NBC actually handled liquid handling as well. He said it was it was it was. A tight. Nimbus staff, which kind of point where the only thing I have to worry about with Mike softer tall breaks. Because if you don't from the style, you didn't have Oliver's things by the end. But but mocks L. say it takes this spectacular books that it may be doesn't take the game changer box given the end in band that away I think on it ended in nineteen seventy five. The. Fest. The festive a British southern Colorado size. So when I was six years old in nineteen, seventy, three at hit was Frank Gardner leading all the way his Chevrolet Camaro I am. Being a suit brought Bam w CSL and Dave Matthews in colline Capri. and. The rest of the massive failed with blacked out seems to be lots about three times site. So we're talking about an era of. Touring, car racing, which was. phenomenally uncompetitive compared to what we now allied with the provided the others battling the class wins and say. And that was the last year old Greg to rules and. Because the tape is getting very expensive and Entities. A awful lot of arguments over the winter seventy, three, seventy full, and I introduced a variation on production SELENA ICING and we which back song cold group one and the new. Formula was was nicknamed group one and a half. So you had these more production buys cars running on slick ties with that she would have allowed and then over the next couple of years that was completely dominated by the Ramona's and. But Really It was just a case of out of Stuart Graham Law Richard Lloyd would win the rice and. Our remember rices. As. Where they would be about five Komo of the front and then you drop down the next class and be the capris nyquil Kumble's battling outside. So I get it wasn't tremendously competitive at the front. and. The Rice if Stewart grimal Richard Lloyd didn't lost distance then usually not very exciting. So what China's site I'm so a great car and You have to. You have to give the Kamara credit for being a psychic that it was banned all written acid, the regulations when I imposed. A capacity limit for nineteen, seventy six and but it didn't. It didn't produce the greatest area touring car racing. Think it sounds fairly happy to lose the Kamara this point but the next call list which took over from the Kamara when they change those regulations is Marcus was talking about I think is way will be will. Put through sunny strong candidates to Ford. Capri has more wins on the college sixty one. Prior to that coast, it was It was except when European, touring car competition as well one, the SPA, twenty, four hours, three times though it's it's a bit more international success in the as well. And it is another real fan favorite. The the Ford Capri. So what what do you think? Same same thing. The Capri is a strong candidate for this. Yeah. Very much. So you know it was a coup car it was. One of the it was it away it apart from many in the Capri was a game changer because of course, it was the car for people. It was a cool car on the road lots of people own them. So that connection then with the racing in was a very strong one and that's made a powerful turing cars throughout the ages the. Connections between people who drive on the road saying those calls writes yes. Of course, it applied to the mini didn't really apply to the latest cool tate and Orlando lots of colds. Sunday didn't approx Kamara his with those people here rice them but the Capri connection and it was just the perfect ladened of power balance handling. It was a fantastic car all. Of Group, C boasts golden spice had considerable success with them. It's a cool car. It really is a fabulous car and it was just a perfect car of its era, but also faced a Lotta competition and won an all kinds of races everywhere. So very good candidates. Yeah. I remember speaking to Gordon to bounce it and he rather up and he's very. He's not got bigger as as happy to talk about the table and and and the call being X. equally idiot proof. He said you could drive a solid. Wise. As you like. But the quickest way to keep it ain't audience as it normally is. Because, he was denied winning the Jamshid ball that very close structure. I think he won withdrawal star to six times. But never actually won the overrule championship. But that was fantastic thoughts with with anti radicals up and coming once Goya, the dilemma in the Capris and as he cites him fighting vaunting the relevance when Nike Dominion? When I came in lighter so what do you think mark see you happy to put the Capri through as well given its international success in the racing had in Britain. I. Think. When when the Capri? Capri. became the cause of having the top class I'm these races were Rice's you could not miss. Spicy Tim mentioned I'm Chris. Croft Andy Rouse Jeff Allen. Calling grant to move can show as well in a CAPRIO. Switch the band. And just absolutely. CPI. Bracing. Caused ibis staring around at. Another. Adult have contacts and but. They later absolutely. Fantastic rises and. It was only when the. The rive came along in in the nine thousand, nine hundred. So the Capri really began. So full of its patch of the trade, and then also I, got a suspect for the Capri because my dad sixteen hundred see sales matic Andam to basically told me to drive in it. When I was nine years old I had full control of the steering wheel and pedals. An artist used to sit on his lap so that I could reach them. Dreams Vox office would be a complete tonight Brooklyn's. Yeah. I wouldn't by sixteen hundred dollars domestic now but I think might be think Gordon Spice when I was bobbing along tonight. At eight that's still a lot of this is one of the guys in the Jerry Mall to try things which and I am teams competed in Utah. Being to Rowbotham about it and he said it's just such a wonderfully balanced car. That saying that Tim said, which is enough out to be interesting but not not even powders really Hispanic Chassis. So I think the Capri definitely has to go through to the final debate. And the next. By is another car what it's one of Tim's Friday hearts how he's touring call career began all that was the end of the calls create when you hold it said Tim, the rest new on both three and a half of the I and N Vitesse rooms while thirty nine stolen car races. Crown northbound aroused should wanted eighty-three as well. But Steve, cycle got got thrown out for TWA regularities which obviously never happened before off. On had success. In your and and Germany's eight tennis about the unites. Buffet reveals it is you know from a driving point of view in a similar wage of the Capri this was a a big cuddly readily John over call with a great sounding powerful engine fabulous chassis ballots. Let it was a big car. You could really drive it all more over the limit without having any NAS devices doing anything old. Car in the wedge. It really was a great cau- the I came in on the end of the new ones lifeline in December my first year during ause by that stage, it already had low greg champion with rows nature ball. He was at his exact called us. They'll be it with w aging and you know the fine took was still competitive at the end the period in ancient seven we were racing against the UH the caused the full muck you stopped by that and he was still competitive one class that year. So it had it had. A very long life against the Lord opposition want to longer races. How cool it was I don't know I'm a little biased on that I I still think that quite cruel cost the fight that we we liked them and they've appreciated in value now probably says they were quite cool 'cause what what do you think? I mean obviously as well as as Britain as as Tim said, it had opposition in Europe as well against Volvo BMW. Right the mix of repayments getting serious with drawl. Way Do you think the regular slots on the cool factor I completely agree with you with the with the ivory success it was it was taught. The absolute peak at the European touring. Car Championship in in the Mid Icies of it even ATM talk as well. The very early days of that series and had the longevity as well. But as a couple of things that counts against it in in my mind, one of those is adults about the pay the European Tearing Koch Championship. But that coincided with absolute of British Touring Car Championship in the in the mid eighties when the grades were very small and then by the time Tim came in and seven. To to get a lot better again I am but some. Around it the full rectify. Eighty six era will serve. Might reference if the Cray Rabane one, way. Could not afford to miss. The rice will overloaded mid ICIES. British. Touring car races that. You wouldn't have missed anything if you if you hadn't watched them so and the other thing. That counts against it to May as that it just seemed to Bailey the epitome of. Brown Sacred Company directs his car of the. United States. In in the way that the Capri was. I think I think if we Priest benchmark I think will it will the probably fools at this particular do? But the next to this I personally think of very strong and whether we want to discuss together. Tim's Tim's rice by of too many that are conic calls from Green. I the BMW M. Three. Now do you think about Mike Three right broad term but that just becomes ridiculous because then you including GT calls. The game costs of of recent silhouette like south of facing these thirty am regional Wednesday I. think that's the one we think is proper reading three, which is no disrespect. The mini accident cars come since their one championships in the world are European Touring Car Championship Bridge to uncut champion. Frank. Nancy one will hoy four spots when he ferrall victories. Jim Richards one in Australia with it. Tin Is is GonNa be a strong handed a huge by far way strongest candidate we've had so far for all of its track success in his berry many different guises whether it's endurance racing spring racing dating in two point three or two point five liter the BTC seeing inappropriate two liter for had success absolutely everywhere and. You can't deny that as a car it was packaged. Absolutely. Fabulous motorcycle engine in the screamer engine and it was an absolute joy to drive a jumped in my Oldie thirty. LABATT's car brands hatch for feature last year with Colin Turkington costs role and immediately I was back in that zone of. Choline loved it as well because you have to grab hold of it and it's a real driver's car So for me, it's an absolute classic and certainly one of my top three ever touring house. Absolutely I think if you tell someone to draw or come with the, you know the archetypal Torian car, the three box light rail will drive ask fantastic as well. Didn't. Bat? Scarlet. Looked pretty pretty amazing. But he had lots of different coalitions gps, car racing Australia looks as well. What do you think Marcus as much of a fan of the three is as we are. And what I can't be as much of a fan of it as tim because because never rice slump but. When when the Van WM story came out it was it was like a racing car on the right side side and the rice invasions. Obviously. Even better. And It just. It just completing the priced in that hugely successful. the wild anchor funding enough I don't think. In in Britain Had as much of an effect on the tearing Carline Skype as it did in Germany and on the continent. But but still. Hugely influential car and I remember going to strict British touring car championship context at the occasional rice where a well driven m three and I think with soaking about James Wave possibly could be all the irs, five hundreds M on it on his day and in the in in the very early days stance be corrected on that. But so that was A. Fantastic car and aside. Was Pretty much. One of the bedrock caused for the formation of what will become touring rose I was came in in nineteen ninety and. It was it was in two point three's full men in the late eighties in the great pay days. I'm just. Quick quick to to leads if a super turing and and instantly you had the customer car. So able to answer run and you have to enhance serene you have the the. prive. Factory. BMW X. and you have the the big lake houses while bet that you got quite a private says on the greatest. Well, and that was hugely important to get up and running and ultra successful stop. Because Matinee, starts started is very first year ice is we're in an eight thirty and three as well. So. Yeah. I think that the entry has to go through partly because actually the W that we haven't included in this list, the three liter CSL old from the seventies which are really wants to put in because I. think that the winged won the riots. And the other is sixty four CSI. And really, the only reason I know in this is probably the three researcher a guy in China. Legendary beat both of them, and therefore make you. So then three deafening goes through. And they called might be one of the few calls could go against it, which was the main Roy in some respects in the periods. If you've got been w efficiency good handling on the one side, you have full hours five, hundred, five, hundred, fifty, eight holes pass sledgehammer only oversaw. which in the early days by force BMW actually still beat it is certainly in the European welterweight championships whilst they are under Israeli soldiers. A well driven bomber would would disappear down the from three That Mrs Hours five hundred's is is another one you'll find it costs She can. You can tell us where schools against him three dwell. Halla. Five hundred. Sixty horsepower in east. Is No substitute for holes? Paris be Sake. But. This was this was a first and foremost an iconic cool car every kid every young. Successful Guy wanted to have a three door white coz worth the ride with the way it was a very cool car and as far as racing was concerned yet worldwide success. A call that was limited purely and simply by driveability ability entire life but apart from that, it had it all. An unfortunate was a victim of its own success because it just became the ultimate turing car vs generation it despite a lot of opposition and a one across the world. But it was also called customers of course, could run successfully many tunas billed as people could run these calls and there were so many of them around the world racing. And just to tobacco. So what Tim Scientific Success Forty British touring car wins to in the end of eighty-seven and the end of nineteen ninety when the car was basically effectively outlawed. It was unbeaten. Did actually win the ninety, ninety coach grab it. We run into Yokohama ties at this point. Spa Twenty four victory manufacturer startling European touring cars, dtm success. Austin tops McConnell sidelight lot game three. Got that worldwide's success and for me although I'm a huge fan yards five hundred, I would want one of those been driven properly ticks that box even before you get into the rice thing. What do you think? As. The famous story isn't arum effect. When Rebecca Marino it was in the. In the middle of Nineteen Eighty eight formula three thousand championship winning Aaron. He was testing Silverstein and. A PASTA ON. RS five hundred gallons of Beckett's. Thought right that that's not come out with and then he got onto the hang strike Sunday the five hundred chunking pasta and. Gory as well. On content. Situation that bobby didn't they where they? Set me trump up a SIERRAS fast over three thousand dollars. I'm you're right I mean I around planning and they must have been very. The the great thing as well as the amount of power is the facts that in Nice ice the end. Seraing 'cause didn't have control ties none of the talk companies. Seem to be able to provide its that with lost on the RS five hundred beyond a few laps. It was my current. Touring cows on Peretti's ready site. The site something else was at one time was never. Say. Wildly, paddled 'cause with them with. Grit whatsoever and an actually I'm quite a reasonable spread of driving ability as well. It is in the in the British championship. So he had to. So you have the the the prize at the front of the failed bet you'll side yet. By nineteen ninety nine. Twenty hours five hundred on the great and and some of them were just were being driven by by by A. Amazon. Drivers, e- went career Gaza Toke. Some of them were pretty good and but said, but you had that ability in that I'm not spread in. That's what made it. I'm really appealing at era touring car racing even if it was effectively a one make certain car racing and by the time the the sick during rolls rotating ninety nine hundred. There's absolutely no idea i. Isn't going series to the final cyber three guys before we move onto the to era. Honorable Mention. All clearly the. REPEATS SOARING CAR ALTHOUGH I. Think of it almost more visit gt currently. Scott thirty two which you never. So right here in the bridge toll ago champion. But did what the flow with the hours five hundred zero Australia caradon rising in Japan. doesn't have the worldwide success in the society I. Think you'll borderline GT racing. With that car wasn't a spectacular because he absolu- drops that could actually use it whatever bright who was out. But yes, a moving on the Tutti to rethink the first car to challenge. BMW before the five hundred even gone was was the vote. So Cavalier battlefront will drive again, but it's a nineteen British touring car races. Did Not Win The championship Roy Nineteen Ninety five against tool that manufacturer opposition wrong. The hearts of Super Turing deeply BMW to the manufacturers chant onto ninety two, which means Tim's performance to win the drugs jammed. It must have been particularly especially must have had quite hopeless teammate. In one, thousand, nine, hundred. And yes where you've raised against the cavalier. Tim. How do you? How do you rate it Well, obviously, you know he's very hard read silently posted Vauxhall Cavalier any because It's just A. Car Isn't it masquerading as a Racecar But now it owns let you can't deny the success. It was a very successful call in various years it it was dominic car ninety, five eight was by far and away the best car. But. It had a long successful career largely Jon Klein the at the helm but David Leslie as well. It was a very successful copper the me it didn't have any wild factor roku factor whatsoever nothing like about Max about it, and although it had some international success predominantly success was in the UK yeah. I would agree with that. I think it deserves some credit for the bay. One of the first manufacturers to go up against BMW might that to lead to era Caitlyn help kick-start Lousy John Kelly getting stuck in to the drive cars but. It's never really done. May only the? Marcus. Is it exciting enough touring fans we will. But that's still be the call to pick out era what I actually really like is that. The mice to non won the championship in Nineteen, Ninety Five, which was probably the peak of manufacturer participation. Driven, by car dealer. SMOKE AND IT WAS A. Joe Credit. That, San yet. I am I remember that. Visual that ninety, ninety, five season. When we have to Credit Ryan Alex an organization with. Played a very heavy role in that championship and The what David Leslie Dumb on earlier reservations of the cavalier as well as hideously important in that. Clinton's new the time he drives the non-fox cavalier that it was an enormous step forward couldn't believe how could it was? The Guy I add like cleaned up against some radi really serious opposition which. Which might Serious Glamour Opposition International driver line-up sex grown pray drivers, and. It was it was a fantastic performance, but the coaches doesn't excite me not degrade off. The cavalier has had its own will mention we now move all nichols not. A winged and the reason that it was wings because the before after my rock with one five five with speeches in diffuses and railway and things. which had previously. So the one I fall is on this list because it is a game changer also decide whether it was being a bit cheeky to include it because of. A Nickel Lorraine is nineteen ninety-three DTM's success because I suspect the only similarities between the for one fallen from the BBC say when was the badge? What do you think? I should be included together all night just to separate. The drivers as names end with eighty as well. Yes. It was. I just mentioned that Glamour Opposition. and. It. Really. It wasn't just the car when Alfred mankind with the one, five, five, nine, hundred, ninety, four, but it was just. It was just that the alphabetical state seemed so exotic Nara old school blue overalls. And just phenomenally Italian. Gabrielli Gabrielli Tell Queenie. An instant crowd favor in the UK because he's just such a lovely chat and really yeah. Good with the media in the fans. and. The car. Yeah that. The question in the anti days whether it was legal it. To the extent that I think Andy. Rouse. Whence out in bulletin one, five, five from dealership to say whether they really did have those bits of era in the in the. Car, so that you could click on a few months. and. Les. Period in. Super Turing from his period of success was very limited and it was a Very. Much Cooler game changes. So in that school and I would I would say. Possibly, the most significant signature encounter from all own announcing murals on the receiving end of that when out from did it feel like that? Big a change in Iraq this thing is going to be different from now on it did. They ever I limited their involvement was financial side of things because they were the first to really up the ante financially Yes. Whilst was massively exciting. Have this factory team arrive in Britain Council, every race with all their kid to fabulous coffee making machines and It was wildly exciting but it up the ante financially, and that actually is significant because that was the straw, the money rights that was where the money race started because every other manufacturer said. Old. Team said somebody factors if you want to be out for Mayo, this is what you've got to spend. That's where things started to change. But if we just get back to the car, the car was fantastic. was probably bit to narrowed say the ideal to recall but it was really driven by talk weedy It was a game changer oversee with the Arrow. But there was a lot more in that car, the differentials, the engine everything about it was pure factory So it was a it was an incredibly cool gay changing winning call You can't compare it with the version that was four wheel drive v Sakes. Taibbi. Different animal But from the UK's point of view that was a special com question before we put the for through to the final I, want to throw the the next sort of foreign invader into the mix. Is Now the IPHONE try? So probably not as cool I mean as they offer concept that bought, it did have a wider success. Because as well as the British touring car. In Nineteen ninety-six wants to tells with Brad joins the Australia at Andrews the did the world torn call copy. Nods Ninety five. a broad level of success over a longer period of time. You could say was that just down the flow dry might be a bit harsh. So out does the L. A. Maxxie. Stuck, up against the Alpha d thing in this debate in terms of so success in terms of. Changing the game with four wheel drive I would actually say was a greater achievement Alpha at a cave subsequently, Alpha where the standards is already been raised year on year but we never imagined the four wheel drive to call with work in the UK. ans an Audi pulled it off Bela, pulled it off. Of Fortunately being. Being Jim lack the coolness of the Alpha by up. In terms of its ability it success, I would put it about the hour. It was a brilliant car. Would you think Kosovo did go more success? As getting chair in rosy for will drive a modern tour and canal. It does wings doesn't doesn't have drive very kind of superficial viewing of it but but but what do you on kind of torn on these days? I would. Say same point about. The. People didn't imagine seconds, but we have to remember is that the? would be homologated it. Ivory Winter. I'm and. POMONA guy seat for worldwide competitions site. Without. A? The the focus would have been on success in Jam and confidential tracks, which will not stop start than the sauce flowing countryside richie seconds go say. So the fact that they managed to get it working on tracks as well was was absolutely phenomenal and and say the Frank Baylor. Won The British touring coach I'm shipping nineteen ninety, six. Some I'm pretty sure that the the seven main national safe. Championships around the world all won by the Audi I for quite shy. She's just a phenomenal record. The other thing that potentially played into the hands was the the. On done lot size and then nearly all the. Manufacturers using Mitchell inside. So you never quite Yate. How much was fully drive? How much is the car? How much was the tie? as Ferrari shied in the Bridgestone nearing formula. Only Customer on particular it's higher than you can kind of draw the Development In your direction site. It, was a it was a fantastic car and hugely successful fumbles side than the Alpha One, five, five but. May. Actually Not, quite, as exciting. I. Would. I would. I would agree that it was probably more than. Most successful was the most successful tearing Cop as far as favorites a consent on cut the outfits I would say is I don't I don't believe it was the talk the car had a much better ability in terms of breaking in terms of traction because technology was was not limited, but it wasn't we didn't know then what we know now. So from we'll drive 'cause always had understated always had traction problems. The Saudi could use all of its power all of the time it wasn't a tire it's just had the four wheel drive. System, which also made the unbeatable in the wet So An and the fact that we didn't adopt for real drive as a as a an ongoing platform to recalls, it probably doesn't make a game changer because the gay didn't stay that way it was it was a bit of a one off. So I, agree with Marcus it was obvious time but probably not as much as a of a cool or game dangerous the out from our. Sorry is the after is the of the one we put the put through its just because it was so bad in ninety five. Derek Warwick here it would be screaming at to really offer soon as possible. Not. Necessarily Preah. Criteria. Pets. off out the algae was a better or in car whether that means it's a great article is he's I couldn't. By. Think on going to put the Audi through on the basis, the the quattro four wheel drive you know there are other outage from the. The kind of representing them as well now for success. So short lived the I accept that the offer is definitely the car that I think we're unanimous on that. Would go another super turing do coming up. So what is the ultimate super touring? Touring. The the end of the nineties, is it the Nissan Primera all full woman die. At at the end of the era, northern Iowa winning in one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine as the perhaps arguably should one hundred ninety at the not been some. Issues the foreman die winning with them without a menu into thousands. What do you think Tim which one of these Geo and oversee the Maldive was was kind of the. It's now I would say without a doubt, the Nissan because the Nissan was successful everywhere with lots of different Drivers and teams the real success after years and years and years with the Mown Dia only came with a huge budget. Pro Drive off on that that was its only success. So although it represents the senate of two liter soaring cars, it are for me it was a one off so I would have no hesitation in this was the most successful better call. Because that means you have to vote against many. I completely agree. And I For me. The. The. As soon as We talked about right mattocks team with the cavalier took over the. Project in Nineteen, Ninety, seven and. Then, it was just A. A. Gradual a gradual increase A. Just, excellence in Cobb I, nineteen, ninety, nine, well, arguably by late nineteen. But by nineteen ninety, it was the to have an and then. And David late dominated the championship finish one. The other thing with a project Mondays in two thousand and was that by two thousand. Four to one of three manufacturers left in the championship said the only opposition I had. Was the Hunga and Program was a bit. A bit split because West? Sorry we're running. A couple of calls in. Yes. Running another. Know everybody's saying I. Saw Him on that and and also the Vauxhall I'm backtra was. By enemies fifths as in a never really got to the level of success it should have done in the bay t say say so. Say The foot didn't well, that was a fantastic fantastic competitive season between the nine weeks. 'cause we hadn't see thousand plus Matinees Independent. That the competition in nineteen, ninety, nine, the depth of competition non. Stronger and the Nissan I would site was probably the ultimate Syrian car. The only thing that I would say the counts against the side is the coup factor in the low people's always still attached of. Is only negative. I'd I'd agree with you that sandwiches probably will I went out and bought one and After as championship. East out of. The offset by the fact that and other issues a big zing five given the. Is, is a called appreciative one with Matt Nail at such a hugely hugely popular victory that hundred and fifty thousand is probably the closest Nissan is ever or touring Carney sans I've got to being. Oh. And I did ask Andy Reid about this because I was dragged by Permira animal dire and he said he preferred the marriage as well. So our thing I'm happy to put the premier through. To our forward buy even though I suspect it may struggle against some are funded in terms of wound factor. Despite the fight Ansi read himself didn't really helped who factor of the car. To moving away from the from considering era. We're GONNA come today not make any apologies for not having any the BTC cars in there because I kind of security want everything but y'all position was was for longtime and frankly those calls were were not fat, not exciting to watch him our opinion. But I think. Strengths Bridge 'cause now. Is probably as good as it is a has been touring era. The two best is of the championship. And the cavs standout called N. G. T. C. era still capacity despite being called appeared raw the stars in two thousand twelve is the Honda Civic Africa to. Which I. Think you mentioned this on a recent country in if Don Amex, the works move still running K. to. Awesome. That would still be a challenge contender in fact, the way nine. I if I'd had gone sheddan running a third die to they might still on the championship against college the BMW side it's it's every despite all the shared parts, the civic and it's time upon original civic form champion with them. Shannon and Andrew Jordan even one racist as state in one season. I it's gotta be. He's to be the carbon GTC so far hasn't it? Absolutely? No question you know you've summed up very well, it's longevity. The practice still competitive is quite awful healthy your members, raw different engines. Over that period from Brown hundred jains through to Tokar engines, which currently runs the fact the. As a city Thorn Bill Brian New Sharon. One of those could current Neil Browning's Michael how quick would that be but all the drivers jumped in it have said Walter Beautifully. Balance from Dr Cars Sam told off who been trying to get his hands on one for a while when he jumped into it, he said the car just tons rotates beautifully typeset in the corner. It's a fantastic. and you know it seems so so detested time despite the fact that there's a current It situation in BTC? Where appears the new cars are better than no calls and I give you the phone focuses in like the the hiring die new gut the infinity narrow new build shells around the same components because everybody runs the same suspension by but new bill call seem to have been. Taking, a little bit of a march on the older calls except the S K to bat is still very consistent. It's incredible. ENOUGH MORE SIGHT THAN THROATS DOT That that's Would just not as he signed the balance and the flow, it would it would be Jordan Shannon Matt Neal night without the Thump, your position in a in a chance he disposed to be so close and lock w one series which I guess is the real. Dr Equivalent in GTC era compact. Small competitive car. They were both on the BMW novel massively on Tabulation straight-line speed and became a constant Mao in various drivers. The hunger at times was so slightly speed traps and Can really work hard to make progress in the field Cy for me down that. See College Got Sixty six wins actually site has surpassed the Ford Capri Now, that's not including the two thousand eleven seven, which was the old shy with the the new NGDC engine even just the. Inca and Marcus does the fact that it is many problems with its opposition work against it or does it absolutely strengthen its case because it still managed to be successful outstanding I think it's just a sign of the Times that we're living in rarely and your weight we've been talking about some of the classic 'cause at the past and. A disabled -Tarian 'cause in the Great Pike House before that. Way will have making reference to that successes outside Britain as well. I'm of say way now in a situation. At, championships pretty much runs their sets of rules. Pump? Apart. From. That is but but we've got BTC see in this country. They is a completely indigenous a championship in the Sinai Science Supercars isn't isn't Australia and even in Germany so you can write the rules to 'em to have your commonality of parts and and. For that reason on site, the appeal is probably slightly less. And site the. F., K. civic has been around for quite a long time. Now, it's still not the period where we look at it at three rise tinted spectacles. With the BMW in threat set. Of that when? People cousin years to come back on the NJIT Sierra. As well, as coinciding Tornado, BMW, one series three series. One of the a things paper we'll talk about will be shed in a in a kite Kaisei civic and unquestionably. The. One of they. classiest driver in call combinations of the twenty, th century and Embiid I'm but at the moment yeah, it's just a little bit too current and a little bit. Too recent to to include it in my. Niece go really. I was just GonNa say the same thing with thing that stops a through if we were doing the greatest British touring car, I think it would be a candidate if we're talking about great you still you never done anything outside of the Guy So I think it's It's it's it represents a really strong error Bush's touring cars, but it doesn't make it through to the foreign reckoning. Which means that we've got the end of the candidates I don't want a couple of honorable mentions partly because I love Australian things. I want to mention the whole Alex. Toronto from seventy, eight, seventy, nine, it's something is one of the story 'cause ever. Peterborough setting the fossil on the last lap at Bathurst is pretty cool. Grabbed footage but didn't do anything outside will strike. And our Australian friend Andrew Van Living, picked out the holden Commodore cows but as the caller of the of the more recent generation guiding limited. So it's it's hug me environment. So that leaves. The Ford Capri Bmw M. A. Four hours five hundred the try in the Nissan for mayor is I'll ask Fi. But before we debate those, are there any cards that you guys would like to throw in that you think I've think I've missed? That, we should be trying against is five. Not Really, I've ironically on the original discussion email the Moneo was only so that was the one I was going to bring out oversee. We've Marcus Aurelius obviously added that one we've discussed it. A. Solid we were discussing the after the hour day I've been thought well, the Nissan and the Ford or an obvious. Combination as well I mean. We did mention Ed. Yeah. The Jackie O. Two. So the first I touring car and I think that that falls down on that sort of lack of opposition. Really. Will anything in the Malkin that would be able to tell you about all until the Cortina and the and the the Rodney quickly Quickly vanished from from the inside. I think the way all we all down to five Transam Mustang. Bagai Niche Niche Leash 'cause again hey, was i. think the fauna fog of go international appeal for one reason or another? And the only other possible watt will be the Volvo estates. hops now. I think if you're doing mom of cool or eccentric 'cause that would definitely that would definitely be a guy doesn't take the success game changing box caught enough. I think compared to the to the we've got great. So, we need to start losing as an on the bank's history only just nudged outlier Alpha to make into the five. Do we do and it's it's not cold as is not as cool as the other cars and it's do do lose the IFO is point. I think we do I. Think though I mean I think the next four will be difficult separate but I think you could lose the Alpha Alpha out four. Yeah. Yeah. You have that Marcus what would you put forward as another one to another one to lose is point I think that we want a bit of Tamar variety and say. I want to say I want to lay one Ford. And because I love the caprice she's going to have to pay the IRS five hundred wound. Up. On. The. Day of losing losing afford but I find five hundred and sixty horsepower posner three thousand cars in a straight line. Rav Okuda than a call. Vaden, she lost to the rest. Easy one. Account, think why? I would I would discount. Though the RS five, hundred definitely. In that, I'm happy to be outnumbered. Lose the four as. Force Welwyn We've lost four in the Ford Capri okay. I I think for me the the Nissan Primera presents. The super touring as as is the greatest error of touring cars but I'm not sure that in itself the greatest touring car. On the night. I'M GONNA. Hang. My colleagues on the mosques. The three I already have is my winner despite probably people thinking I would pick the irs five hundred but the m three as I said earlier just had such phenomenal success own around the world. Including Asia Pacific region in all manner of racists spreads, insurance everything it was a cool `cau-. Every it was a real proper end car of with Bulging Arches screaming engine in for me. That was that is the greatest during. BMW, Fan, I'm not really and only going to argue too. We'll play devil's advocate because I'm an hour at five hundred families wealth. The familiar restaurant represents represent just individual. Period where most but was about outrageous more power than grit before now? I. Think one of the problems of sort of a armchair fans have with the sport is that all everyone's too good top because they're all too good. They couldn't run riles people think of Rony pates and saw by intellect seventy two, it looks hard and the Louis Amazon going twice as false on riles in status and they are as five hundred raw towards the end of those kind of outrageous silencing. Touring cars. Like almost because it's so flawed senator gravity was to rob was t said the definitely a better package? SITEMAP THE RS five hundred created heroes because people who sore it though while in know the drivers of those are we know they've got fi- on their hand there's respected Matt's way I. Remember Driving Caused Standing Watch as you came through the old woodcut corner and seeing people on the pit wall Silverstein, all coming out this of the pocket eight people on the pit will. Literally take a step back in shock and and in car that's capable of doing that is. A huge wealth factor. They just depends what you consider the most important factor in our debate whether his while factor or success. Yet, that's fair. Marcus what. Gets your vote. It's really fun and. I've definitely I. Definitely dropped Nissan Primera laid it down to the IRS five, hundred with. which is quite telling that we've got to 'cause competed against each other in the same era. Up this now. My. My thinking is that if we're if we're. Talking about the grossest car from the British Terry Caught Championship, I would probably say that the five hundred. But if we talk about the greatest car from worldwide touring car racing I, think it would have to be the end story because if the successes that it had in the well championship European. Championship. DTM CETERA also went on for a long period of time and the COP rate. Yes notice exciting to watch. But as far as. Being. A huge step forward in being a rear wheel drive racing car the happens to be a touring car. It was a a real game changing car I think and I know site ECON radio against the car that said the nine, the right to throw Links Waffler. On Spectacular FACTOR OC TIM mentioned a two and a half liter. Version as well. I mean that that's that's a different cutler fish to the to the car we'd have had here. That would be. Very, much knaw. You I'd say anybody watcher Dj race with two and a half later Yvo and free lapping the July. So that is spectacular. Absolutely. So there we go. Eric in its. Struggling Championships Deed Jam World Champs European Championships Bridge Championships four spots for our wins as well. So injured show writers long races. On on happy to go with the BMW the m three as also sports. Greatest Soren car of all. So that we all I'm sure lots of people disagree hardly got big following its launch the generation of of super-stallions in quick ride cars, Rice cars, JD 'cause. It's actually one of those designs up there with Porsche nine eleven, insensitive impact longevity. So I think it's a very worthy winner of this debate. But please please do listeners less now. You think I'm sure you've have we missed anything. Do you agree with the m three? But I'd like to finish by thanking. Marcus. Simmons for joining average for joining us for this kind of course. Him It's been a pleasure very enjoyable hype leave. Enjoyed it too. Thank you very much like you. Who is a healthy debate? Absolutely. So He's obviously a BMW M. Three and look back slavery that said this isn't. This idea of of having thirty three to five road. Kaffir. So I'm I'm still very happy with with this. I had I had those two as the two most likely to be debated and so I'm happy with winning and I think I think that? Marks. Is Breached the Grace Bridgestone Qazi hours five hundred but the great stolen car always the a very good matic live concluding it so. Thank you very much. We'll be back soon with another seventy. podcast where we'll be debating. The next two on the list of greatest indy cars and the greatest Jimmy. Single ceases where Marcus Simmons will definitely come into his own also on there. But for now, that's offer seventy foot cost. Thank you very much. Anger boy. Music is six am by. Written by Mockus Simmons, see some out dot com slash trailer music.

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Doug Kyed & Chase Stuart

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Doug Kyed & Chase Stuart

"Ally. Walk to the Bill. Barton Walsh show millburn. Well, ESPN is Wednesday March twenty seven two thousand and nineteen. We have an audio show for you today. We have a lot to discuss when it comes to the National Football League little later on. We're gonna talk about the jets and talk about running backs on the home, which max might be likely to improve or decline in twenty nine teen with our friendship Stewart. But first the big news of the week. Obviously, rob gronkowski's retirement little unexpected at least to me, but I'm gonna talk to someone who was very qualified to discuss this topic. And what's going to happen to the twenty nineteen patriots? And that is our friend Doug guide from Nessin. Doug. How're you? I am doing very well. And yeah, it was pretty surprising news, even though it did feel like this news been coming for about fourteen months. Right. I was one of those things where he kind of figured it was going to happen. But you didn't know if it was going to happen this week. And even when I read about Jared cook. I remember reading about the Jerry cook negotiations when he decided to sign with the saints. It had sort of become you know, the hint was that. Oh, well, this means rob gronkowski might be playing for the patriots in two thousand nineteen or it might seem perhaps more likely that we're going to see gronk play for the patriots in twenty nineteen. But then several days later being before Jared cook as visually signed with the New Orleans Saints gronkowski has retired. So I mean heading into the off season if fast you to pay the chances of gronk suiting up in twenty nineteen. What would you put them at just knowing what you saw from him in two thousand eighteen. I probably right after the Super Bowl. Maybe I would have put it like like a forty five fifty five chance that he would have come back. But then you know, every week that didn't make the announcement wants free agency it started. Once we got this late in the process. I think shifted over to the other side of maybe fifty five forty five of the ground coming back just because you know, it'd been awhile since the Super Bowl at that point. And you would have thought that the patriots would have kind of pushed them along to this decision a little bit earlier than last week. But from Giro's in houses time line, it seems like Bill bell Chac called drew Rosenhaus on Thursday to say, hey, can we get a decision from gronk pretty soon here, and then three days later gronk did make that decision. But yeah, I mean, just the fact that it opened up nine million dollars with taproom that the patriots didn't have before and prior to having that cap room available. The patriots were making some maybe desperation moves is a you know, maybe too harsh away to put it. But. They were making moves at the usually wouldn't do to open up more cap space just to be able to you know, have some freedom during the signing period. The I mean, they they restructured its fund gilmore's contract. Yeah. And that's something that usually don't do. I mean, they converted his base salary into assigned bonus. And that really ensures that dillmore will be around at least this your next year, and maybe even into twenty twenty one as well, which might not be that big of a price. Gilmore was a first team all pro this year. But that is a move that the usually don't make to push cap hits down the line like that. Yeah. I mean, they're they're probably I would say outside of maybe the Bengals who have a lot of cap space every year because I don't spend a lot of money like in terms of compact parentally competitive teams, I think they're the least likely team to make that move and restructure contract and push more money into the future. They tend to be very very prudent, and very very sort of in the moment and how they deal with the salary cap. So I it's very surprising. And I think it's very surprising. Because it feels like so often we think of Bill check as this guy. Who is? So he's several steps ahead of us. He's always, you know to moves ahead. He always knows what's going to happen next. And he's he's interested in that and heading different direction. And with this kind of felt like, you know, they didn't really have a great idea of what was going on kind of felt like they had to you know, react on the fly in sort of grab prepare for different opportunities. And then I end up with a roster that certainly think is still going to be very competitive, and they're still going to be a great team. But you know, it's been a miss gronk. Do you think if gronk retired in three days after the Super Bowl? Do you think they make more of an effort to at talent to this roster when it comes to receivers during the free agent period? I think that it's possibly could have been more involved in some sort of Odell Beckham trade, or you know, it seems like based on the podcast Antonio Brown released. It seems like the patriots were involved. Potential Tonio Brown trade talks. Maybe they would have been a little bit more aggressive in that way. But the the two players that they seem to be or there was a few players over there really tied into knows Adam Humphreys, they were offering more than nine million dollars a year or two copiously Jared cook Jerry coke wind up getting paid a ton by the saints. I'm not I mean, if they were already offering Adam Humphreys more than nine million dollars a year. I can't see them offering him even more than that to sign in New England that just wouldn't have been a smart move at that point. So it really seems like based on the offers that they were giving guys the players that they were in on. It seems like they grunk retirement or is his lack of retirement really didn't seem to affect them that much in the free agency period. They just weren't willing to spend up to what other teams were when it came to Jerry cocker came to Colby came into some of these other receivers they were without him Humphries, unfortunately for. Them. They're a little bit late on that. We're at Humphries already committed to the titans. But just the fact that they were ill or we're willing to go back to Humphries and say, all right. We'll give you more than the titans. I didn't that does say that there were still willing to spend money and that they really weren't all that hampered by gronk decision at that point. Yeah. When I think is so fascinating about their current situation. Okay. You lose gronk. And there's no replacing proxy you. If you sign on of sure signed Jared cook, they're not rob gronkowski, obviously. And I also join Alan. So now, they're down. They're top two tight ends from last season. Chris HOGAN is a free agent filter set Lee resigned if I'm not mistaken focused resigned, then Cordeiro Patterson left good. This is receiving core that is dramatically different from even what we saw a year ago. And then we're also entering the final year of Jillian elements contract enjoyed them. And of course, was great during the Super Bowl won MVP. But he's thirty two guy who patriots typically. They don't tend to keep guys around into their late thirty minutes late thirties at skill positions. You know depends on the price tag, obviously. But a chance that might not be on the roster next year either. I think I think there's a better chance than maybe it would be for most other players position. But there's still a chance that we could see a totally different receiving core than even the group seen over the past year or two even that group has not necessarily always been, you know, the two thousand seven patriots in terms of receiver depth either. Right. It's there's definitely a lot of uncertainty around that position. It seems like there probably will be a pretty big youth movement in the draft. They've got twelve draft pick six of those come in the first three rounds. So I do expect them to take maybe multiple tight ends multiple wide receivers in this year's draft. And that sounds great on paper to be taking these guys or high picks. But the patriots have not had a lot of success under Tom Brady and Bill Belichick as far as rookie wide receivers. Go there's really been four six cesspool rookie wide receivers. And I use that term pretty loosely has been Dion branch, Malcolm Mitchell, and then you're getting down to guys like Aaron gobs and Ken Brel Tomkins. No one else is really succeeded as he Wookey receiver in the system. So even if you do take say wide receiver without thirty second overall pick. There's no guarantee that that player will succeed right away. And maybe that'll work down the road. When like you're saying guys, like chilling element or off their deal and felt or settling signed a one year deal. So he could be gone out to this year. But you re. We do need to shift your focus a little bit more towards this year too. Because after Jillian edleman I mean built or set couldn't pass Chris HOGAN on the depth chart last year when they had built door says number three last season they had to trade for Josh Gordon. So I think that tells you pretty much all you need to know about your said, I think he could be number three or four receiver in the patriot system. But you don't want him to be number two. And then beyond him. You're talking about guys like Braxton various didn't play last year. Maurice Harris who wasn't even tendered is restricted free agent by the Washington Redskins and Bruce Ellington who was cut by the Detroit Lions in February. So you're really reaching the bottom of the barrel. As far as the patriots wide receiver depth are goes when you get to their number three receiver. So a lot of work your needs to be done. I still think there could be a trade down the road either at tight end wide receiver. It's hard to kind of, you know, see who those players would be at this point. Maybe Tampa Bay would be willing to give up their tight end. Maybe the giants will be willing to ship out another wide receiver. Everyone brings age. Green. But I don't know where that ever stemmed from any report that said that AJ green with bailable for for trade that people were kinda putting pieces together they're great to have AJ green. But who knows if the Bengals even watch right him? Yeah. That's like the I'm running the patriots in Madden. And I want to some just going to trade free Jake green without the Bengals thinking, oh, what is trade make sense for us. Are you actually mentioned muggy Mitchell who you'd figure you know, as recently as January was talking about possibly coming back and one to play for the patriots. And then ended up retiring at believe last week, obviously kind of lost in the shuffle. The Pronk news. Are you surprised? They haven't tried to bring Chris HOGAN back a little surprised about that. I think that some of that has to do with a family situation with Chris HOGAN, his wife is. She works in the medical field. I don't know if she's a nurse or doctor, whatever she is. She works in Long Island. So last season Chris HOGAN would play on Sunday and then drive down to Long Island and then come back for Wednesday after home games. And that's that kind of worked for a season. Even though Chris HOGAN had a fairly disappointing season for what the expectations were. But I really do feel like for Chris HOGAN, it would be much easier. If he did play for one of those New York teams or there was the giants or jets, obviously, if one of those teams wanna sign him or you can't reach agreement. You're better off being with the patriots than you are with say the Seattle Seahawks. But I do think that there might be some other elements in play there as far as Chris Hogan's free agency goes just as far as him being a comfortable situation with his family. And I I mean, it did seem like I don't wanna get into Chris HOGAN, Ted. But it did seem like some of issues last season will maybe mental issues him and Tom Brady were on the same page or maybe Chris HOGAN was getting. Frustrated that he wasn't getting targeted enough. So it wasn't a perfect situation there last year at the same time you'd much rather have Chris HOGAN is your number three receiver number two receiver. Then you would to have Bruce Ellington or MAURICE Harris. Can I say something I'm going to regret? Oh, okay. So if the patriots can use a private plane to fly down to Florida for out, I'll just say sketchy stuff in Florida. They couldn't get like a helicopter to take Chris HOGAN from patriots games on Sunday to Long Island in like a much shorter period of time the car. Honest. Actually, I don't know. Maybe he was flying. Maybe commercial. I don't think there was any sort of private jet or or helicopter situation would have been nice. But you know, it's the whole patriot way where no player is bigger than than any other player. So I I don't know. It's a it's a very good question. Bill and Robert Kraft does seem a little busy right now. But when he has a chance they'll ask him that question. Do you also by the way, do you believe that the decision to not have the patriots play the opening game of the twenty nineteen NFL season this based on the NFL not wanting the story of that game to be about Robert Kraft. I didn't actually really think of that. Because didn't actually those reports that it was going to be the Packers and bears come out before the craft news did. But then I knew immediate sort of Twitter verse after that story was old the reason they're doing this, obviously as to avoid Robert Kraft commerce. In the national television. There's all these conspiracy surrounding the Robert Kraft thing because there's also people are talking about how maybe rob gronkowski announced his retirement on the Sunday before the NFL annual meeting because the patriots didn't want Robert Kraft would be the big storyline the NFL annual meeting. So there's all these conspiracies. I'm not sure if any of them really add up, I think that really all they are coincidences. It is a little strange that the the opening night game is going to be the Packers and bears. I suppose it does add up with whole NFL one hundred thing, and I'm sure that Bill Bella check even though he wants say this at the NFL annual meeting yesterday. I'm sure he's not complaining about this. Because every time they do have that Thursday night game. He does kind of complain about it a little bit just because that gives the patriots such a short time line after the final preseason game to get on their moves on cut players bringing new players adjust their up chart get the team practice before their week one game. So I don't. That him or the patriots organization. Really cares. Maybe as much as some patriots fans do about this. Yeah. It does seem like it's not that important thing. But even more. So like the thing I don't understand is this. I it's on the patriot. You're going to be on primetime television punch. They are every year that will be the case again this year. It's not like in weeks three, you know, the patriots run national television that the Robert Kraft thing isn't going to be a story. Like that too. Weak difference is not going to be you know, the point where all forget about the Robert Kraft situation. Yes, certainly, I think that some of the timing of you know, even crafts trial will play into this a little bit. I have no idea when that even going to be I mean, if that was going to be and in early September than yeah. Maybe that would affect things, but I'm not even sure Kraft knows when trials going to be I think to some degree obviously the story will carry on carry on by the start of the NFL season. There might be some, you know, craft fatigue by that point. I obviously people are going to talk about it. But I just I can't imagine that playing into it at all with the NFL schedule in that game. Because like you said, I mean anytime the patriots are on national TV that is going to be a store storyline. It's going to be brought up and it's going to be brought up whether they're playing on Thursday night or Sunday night to all right, Doug. Well, let's talk about rob gronkowski's place in patriots lower. Whether he's a first valid hall of Famer after the break here. But I wanna talk about our friends at seatgeek. Now, I I would like to think that if Repin Kostic comeback to the NFL maybe he would get in touch with seeker become seat gronk for a week. But at this point, we don't know coming back. So if you're patriots fan, you might wanna hit the room and check out some other teams next year that they're going to be fine. I think the patriots are going to just fine without rob gronkowski. They've managed to survive guys in the past. But you may wanna see some other guys. It's might be your last chance player who you're not expecting to retire. So if I were you if I was someone check out, for example. Baseball team during the off season. Maybe not focus so much on the patriots. 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Hey, if I want to go to game I go to a game. I was in a I was in England last week. I went to the England Czech Republic match. I looked on sneaky the first place. I went and I would highly recommend download that app to your phone. And we haven't used it before you can get ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase by going to the gap and at checkout entering Perumal code Barnwell. My last name B W E L L promo code Barnwell for ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase today. Seek life's event we have the tickets now back to the trip. So in terms of gronk in terms of the big pitcher his legacy when it comes to the patriots. Is he a first ballot hall of fame for you? Yeah. I actually kind of crazy that and I'm sorry. If you hold this. I do think it's kind crazy. The people came out and said, whoa, cool. The jets on rob gronkowski being first hall of Famer because it's just a lot of times. And this might be kind of dumb on my part, but one of the time with a hall of fame. It just comes down to feel for me as far as whether a guy's a whole family or not. And obviously there's other elements in play but all those elements kind of play into the field situation. And rob gronkowski's been the best tight end the NFL almost since he came in into the league. I know he's had the injuries. I know that he wasn't the most durable guy. But when he was on the field. He was absolutely the most dominant tied in the league. He's possibly the most dominant tied and of all time, perhaps there's a Casey made for you know, someone was a more long jetty like Tony Gonzalez being the best tight end of all time. But even if he's not the best of all time, he's in the conversation. And if he's in the conversation for that he asked should be a first ballot hall of Famer. Obviously at the same time. We're talking about a institution that didn't let Owens BA. I all or so anything still could happen. But he's absolutely deserving to me. I think it's tough part though. Like like, I think in terms of talent, and in terms of impact absolutely all to me, you know, in the point you made about he's you know, if I asked you from twenty eleven until this past year who is the best tight end in football. Generally, the answer is going to be wrong. There might have been stretches here or there or because of injuries it say, okay? We'll maybe Travis Kelsey or Jason winning or somebody. I don't know. But I mean, the vast variety that time he was the guy. But you know, I I don't think I would put him in first ballot. But I do think there is something to the cable he missed a chunk of time. Over the past seven years. He only played I think he hasn't played a full sixteen game seasons twenty eleven and then there were a couple times he sat in a week seventeen game. But I mean, he's been significant time over the last six seasons, and he's retiring after what nine seasons in the NFL where you have someone like a Tony solace. Who was a high end again if not the best tight top two top three tight end for sixteen years as a starter? I mean, there's a whole second career there. So, you know, I I guess I see signs of it. You know, I I would put him in. But I think I don't know that I think it's much of a slam dunk as you do interesting. I mean to some degree obviously is is biased because I'm covering the team in the region. Everyone treats gronkowski like he is the best of all time. He's basically treated like that ever since its second year when he had that. Sophomore season twenty eleven when he had thirteen hundred yards and seventeen touchdowns. I do think that what plays into it a little bit for me. Is that basically despite the injuries if you you know, divide gronk total yards by number of season. So he still averaged eight hundred seventy three yards per season. And that's despite the fact, they did miss so many games. Well, Tony solid eight hundred ninety yards per season. And he basically never missed anytime whatsoever. So he was still basically putting up the same production on a per season basis as Tony dollars despite missing all that time. So I don't know. I mean, I think that if very Sanders is the first ballot hall of Famer if Calvin Johnson's the personnel at hall of Famer, obviously their careers were different because they didn't have as many injuries. But it was a shortened situation there. I think that rob gronkowski is too. I. I suppose like I said, I mean, th Rollo wasn't a first ballot hall of fame or so anything could still happen. But if I'm voting the then on putting him in there in in terms of and I think I talked about this with you actually on the show earlier this year in terms of where he stands within this patriots dynasty like that's going on for what twenty years now, almost you know, his he the third guy you think of after Brady Bill, Jack. Yeah. Probably I mean, he's he's the second best player. I think of this. You know, this massive patriots dynasty at this point. It would have to go Brady than gronk, then you've got kind of a solid chunk in there where you're talking about the, you know, Vince will for and and Willie mcginest and Richard T more and Tyler and all those guys. But no, I think that he probably will be the third guy that people think of I think that as he's like I said he's the second best player. But I think there have been guys throughout the dynasty. You've probably made a similar impact on the beach. It's dynasty because I mean, Ron Cousy was only on the field for two Super Bowl wins. And I say only like, that's that's not a massive accomplishment. But he wasn't on the field when the patriots won fifty one. It was Martellus Bennett. Tight end gronkowski with injured. He was on injured reserve for that game. So I think that does take away. Maybe a little bit from from where he stands it and patriot floor, but just given the talent just giving the upside just giving the dominance that he had. He's still the second best player. This dynasty. Is there? Anyone else? Think I've actually now that I'm thinking about it from the patriots, you know, from from this eighteen year run that you think oh there if not a first out whole Famer likely to be a hall of Famer based on what we've seen so far. Taiwa was Tyler me in the hall of fame. I think that Richard Seymour should be. But obviously he's not first ballot since he's still not in there. I think it's possible that you know, Vince will for gets in there a venture -ly. But I certainly don't think that he'll be a first ballot. Then there's you know, the guys like Randy moss or or Durrell Rivas who weren't gonna here patriots. But they are probably the first guy for Hillary. But I would assume, but it is very interesting when you kind of break down the patriots dynasty. It's a lot of guys who are in that kind of Tedy Bruschi or Julia element range and the Julian idle men hall of fame conversation is a whole different conversation. But guys who would not traditionally be hall players, and they're even talking about guys like the Guinness in that group too. And and inventory of four if you never makes it where very solid players, maybe made, you know, two or three pro bowls or two or three all pros, but weren't considered among the best. Players at the position in their generation. So yeah, and I quite honestly, I probably would have thrown Tyler into that group as well. He did make the hall of fame. But I didn't think that that was clear cut. Some patriots fans. Do I think he was a very good cornerback? I don't think that he was necessarily ever in the conversation for best cornerback of his era. He was in the top five, but probably wasn't beating out. Charles Woodson champ Bailey during portion his career and that falls in line. Like, I said with a lot of those other guys who were part of this patriots honesty. Right. Yeah. I think there's a lot of hall of very good guy there but not necessarily a ton of hall of famers, not nothing to do with their talent. Just you know, I think that they were regarded especially early in this this dynasty run. Just as they were the team. You know, it was always about the team the team the team the players the players, so. I could see like you said ventral for getting it wouldn't shock me. I wouldn't be horrified. I think he is deserving player and incredible defensive tackle. But you know, a guy generic many stats and at the end of the day the hall of fame on fairly. I think it's fair to say someone who really wants a lot more offensive lineman again to the hall of fame tends to be organization that rewards stats rewards. Let's Pro Bowl and all pro parents could be tough. One other guy, actually, I didn't mention, but I to toiler is actually deserve mention. I think it's possible that was Welker gets in the hall of fame. I don't think he will not sure if he necessarily deserves to, but I do think that he could be in the conversation. And the other one is Logan making too is in that very bizarre range of patriots. The patriots dynasty where he played from two thousand five to twenty thirteen and mansion not Windsor with the team. But he was a seven time Pro Bowl pro bowler. He was a first Email appro in two thousand ten a five time second team, all pro. So just based alone off of that office pro bowls and all pros and the level play that he was playing it throws grew. He probably should be a hall Famer. But the fact that he wasn't honest Tupelo team that that one I think could take away from him a little bit actually guy who are forgetting about is Adam venit, Terry. Oh, Terry too. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that you know, I'm not sure if it's first ballot, but he'll get in eventually, and what's kinda. Funny is that as far as hey, the being on the patriots goes Stephen Gostkowski, my actually be better patriots kicker than uninventive, Terry. But he didn't have as many big moments that you can point to actually now that you bring up Casta surprised. He's not signed at the moment. I'm very surprised by that. I think that they did need to clear this cap space. I think that now that that rob gronkowski is retired. I think it increases the chances that he will come back just because he wasn't gonna play for free. He was going to play on a contract Ryan Allen or anything. So I think he probably will be in that, you know, four million dollar range. And I I actually just wanted to bring up another player as well. And that's Josh Gordon because we were talking about tight ends and wide receiver so much, and I feel like I kinda failed to mention him. I think that patriots fans should go into the twenty nine hundred season with as low of expectations for Josh Gordon as humanly possible treat him as if he's not on the roster anything that you get from him is gravy. It's almost similar to rob gronkowski. Where if rob gronkowski comes back with three games left in the season. Great if Josh Gordon plays it any point of the twenty nineteen season. That's great. But you can't count on him and you have to construct a wide receiver depth chart as if you're not going to have that guy at all just because. What is going on throughout his career in the fact that he was on this team last year? He the twelve games or eleven games. And it didn't work out. I think that that's probably, unfortunately, what might happen if he does come between nineteen as well. My final question. Doug. So I know gronkowski told that he's not coming back. Drew Rosenhaus has thought otherwise and said, otherwise, you know, if if Tom Brady needs him Bronco answered the call. Whether it's based on total speculation whether it's based on your information, whether it's based on your gut what percentage chance do you think there is that rob gronkowski plays? At least one game for the patriots during the twenty nineteen season. I go with like forty percent. And I don't even know. I don't I don't know that seems high or low that seems I I guess so I mean 'cause I did a podcast this week. With with Zack Cox is our other S dot com. Patriots beat reporter. And he thinks that it's I think that he thinks it's a higher than fifty percent chance that grat comes back. So I'm on the lower end scale of this. But I don't know. I mean, say the patriots are six and five six and six that twelve games. I do feel like Tom Brady will be rob gronkowski's ear about coming back. I'm not sure what the benefit is for rob gronkowski to do that unless he just misses football. I think that injuries have to play into this as well. A guy who has a ton of injuries throughout his career coming back at midseason after not going through training camp and OTA's and minicamp and all that stuff seems a little bit dangerous. But just the fact that drew Rosenhaus his hinting so heavily about this. The fact that. Willie mcginest was talking about it weeks ago before gronkowski even retired. He put this idea in everyone's head. I think there's gotta be something there. So I really would not be surprised at the same time. I do put it a less than fifty percent chance that he comes back. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. We will see, but Mr. Kyd where can people check out more of your patriots coverage? You can go to NetCom to check out all of our patriots coverage. Follow me on Twitter at Doug cod Instagram on that Doug cod. And we do the the Nessin patriots podcast. So find that on tunes. Right. Thanks so much going to come back after the break here talk some jets and some NFL running backs with chase Stewart here on the Bill Maher show. All right back here on the Bill Barnwell show still Barnow ESPN, I'm joined by another AFC east correspondent perhaps owing covers league as a whole. But someone whose opinion I'm interested in not only hasn't a great analyst who writes football perspective is. But also at his heart jets fan and is a frequent trips to the show. Chase Stuart chase. How are you? Well, thanks for having me on. And yes, my heart is still here after all these years. Well, Divon that you've waited so long for a appealing jets, maybe not that one. But but certainly even at their best perhaps over the past twenty or thirty years. This is not always been the most exciting offense. When it comes to the jets have been successful. It's generally been defensive side of the ball mostly a little bit of offense here there are you excited about what we're going to see from the jets and twenty nineteen after they've added so much in free agency. I think so. Right. Enter you know, I think they've done on paper what they could have done. They hired and a coach with a an offensive background in them gays and still lots of things you could say about the higher, but the guy was authentic, then they ended the the best offense of create available in wavy on bell. They did add of wide receiver James and craft. I think is pretty complimentary to what the jets do and should help. And you've got young quarterback Sam darnold who's now. Going through second season. I think he is expected to play better certainly up and down rookie year. The offense of line is still a little bit of a work in process. But you know, they did a pretty good job doing what they could to make this a better. I mean, I guess they could've traded for Beckham. But it is pretty good job. I you know, I think they've got him in wanted to get rid of Odell Beckham. I don't know if he would have been willing to get rid of OPEC to the jets, I think that would have been. Real tough Sal to his fan base. I don't think he cares about his fan base. Jetson a pretty good job retooling the offense. Now, they didn't sign center which a lot of people expected them to do. But otherwise there's obviously still draft to come. I I think they've done what they could. And now it's time to see if all those pieces can turn into something. Now, that's the fan perspective from the analyst side of you. Are you happy with these signings eating their fair value? Are you excited about the of paying a running back like Levy on bell, what amounts to twelve thirteen million dollars a year guaranteed for the next couple of seasons that all fit right for you? In terms of how you might want to build a football team. I think it's as good as you can do, you know, these are not the sort of decision-making vacuum. If you're building of an NFL roster in alternative university. Probably wouldn't do it this way. But if you if you place yourself as GM the jets on January first, I think it makes sense. They ended up paying less for the most people thought it's not a crippling contract by any means teams often, you know, waste five ten million dollars a year in players who are not deserving that. So paying a little bit more for a guy who should be the centerpiece of the offense. I think it is a good deal. Yeah. In general running backs don't tend to differentiate themselves all that much and paying anyone running back doesn't seem to be a worthwhile investment. But there was no star player really anywhere else on offense. That was eligible for the jets ads. I think that made sense and with them, Donald he he he was not good. As a rookie Heaton played wealthy of the year. But that's a really small sample. And so I think as an analyst let's say you have to be cautiously optimistic, but there's a lot to that needs to happen before you can tell you. The jets are going to be getting offense and Adam gaze while we've seen him, you know, oversee some great offenses. He certainly capable of overseeing bed offenses. Yeah. I think I'm -solutely dolphins. Offense. Jay Cutler was not a deal. What I think about gays about this on Twitter. Dolphins fans, very angry. They don't understand why. Because they've watched the dolphins play with the past few years. He really hasn't been able to solve his running backs at Jewish if you years ago, it was let's give to offer sheet that got declined. Okay. Let's sign Arian foster, but it's not working out. Let's rotate four different backs from series to series. They settled on Jay Ajayi had a great into the season. He was a starter. Then midway through that year. Aja suddenly a problem in the locker room. They traded Gye was Super Bowl. They turn it to Kenyan Drake. Kenyan Drake looks very good. They signed Frank Gardner in the offseason. Off-season say we're gonna split carries fans. Say no, of course, not Kenyan Drake is going to be a top five running back videos in the second half last season. And then they care drink a bigger chunk of the carries. I think and touches it was about fifty five forty five. But I mean, he he's been a guy who it seems like has not been able to settle on a running back or running back rotation or really found any sort of consistency. But those running games have relatively been pretty good. So I find it interesting that they're going to basically now be with Levy on Belic. He's going to be there guy. Obviously, I think look at few carries there. They could draft a second back to give them some death. But I mean, you don't sign Levy on bell unless you're planning giving him, you know, a twenty twenty-five touches game. It just it's what you what you do when you pay that much money. So I'm intrigued to see how this offense works with Levy on bell. What kind of role he played? I think about the giants, for example, would say Kwame Barkley the numbers into the what they are. And we'll get to them in a minute. But you know, so much of what he did was just basically actors as safety valve ally. Manning where nobody's open. Okay. Let's just check it down. And let's see if say quantum couple guys minutes, or oh, we didn't account for that blitz or that offensive linemen got burnt. So let's just dump it off to dump enough to saquon, and we'll figure it out later. I wonder if going to make Levy on a really fundamental part of this offense in the passing game. Or if he's just going to be that sort of screen and drop off guy. It's definitely going to be an interesting situation watch. And you know, all the teams in Florida seem to have problems with running back figuring out how to properly invest in that position. And there's no question case was not able to to get a consistent running game going around one player. And it didn't seem to have a real philosophy changed often some of that may just be because of his issues of had coached. So we had some personality issues with players and that may continue in New York. I do think it may be a good thing for him to not have to think about this is sort of one thing to take off the list. I don't have to worry about my running back. Now, let me worry about x y z because this to me feels a lot like when the jet sign parents Martin a couple of decades ago, it was this is the guy. He's the workhorse waving on bell was a real outlier in being a workhorse that that is more of a two thousand three in held in two thousand eighteen in Ville. Which way bonus. And I think you're gonna see the jets focus the offense around bell when it comes to both Swain the N running. But you know, if the jets had and regret wide receivers, I would say this is not a fit. That's a little more you know, hard to justify offense Rover Volva around leaving Bill because he is by far the best player on offense. It's very true. And I it's funny. You bring up Curtis Martin because you think about him, you know, I guarantee I was thirteen when he signed with the jets. But if I had been an NFL analyst, I would have been sitting here saying, oh, we can't go after a running back. He was a restricted free agent. If I'm not mistaken, you know, we had fourteen touchdowns his first two seasons. That's great. That's not sustainable. Use ready. Got a ton of his carries. And then he was a he wasn't always great. But he was certainly the focus of that offense for eight years and play to the high level was a all pro his next last season in the NFL. I mean, he was a phenomenal football player. And the jets were totally vindicated in making this they made to acquire him from the patriots. So I mean, there's a chance Belleville could work out, even if it's not necessarily what I would do with the money, or what would work in most cases, it could work in this case. And I think certainly, you know, the point you made that I really agree with us that there wasn't anyone similar to levian bell out there in the marketplace. There wasn't a wide receiver who was acquitted to Levy on bell in terms of his ability where tight end who was a Quinta Levy on Belen his ability. And you know, what I what I want pay Levy on thirteen million dollars a year in a vacuum. No. I would not. I'm not gonna lie. What rather pay Levy on thirteen million dollars a year or give? Devin funchess I think what ten and a half going up to thirteen a year from the colts or Jared, cook eight million dollars a year the first year to year sixteen million dollar deals where it's coming in. I would rather pay Levy on bell. I think he's a better player. I think that he's a, you know, someone who's going to make Donald life easier than either of those guys would make Donald life. When you talk about the question of is just gonna work out. It's an interesting question as to how would you measure whether or not this works out is it individual success by bell as the fish numbers that Bill doesn't put up is a quantity or is it had the offense operates. And so, you know, from my perspective, I think bell will. Absolutely. When healthy have the the numbers from a quantum perspective? As you will have touches he'll be a favorite to lead the league and touches. And but I think really the way I I would look this is how does the jets offense work and does he make like these percents? Tim Donald does help deuce, you know, the pressure that gets plays on receiver like Robbins. Maybe a pop receiver give them more than top rated along with the crowd. Or if the jets end up having a top ten offense. And you know, I can't talk to magin that way having great numbers. But even if that happened, I think that was still. Make this signing because this is you know, the way bell wanted. He paid is not just running back. I think to analyze this decision of how does the jets offense look with ongoing it. Yeah. And I think the guy we haven't talked about it could play the biggest role in all of this perhaps clicks Yosemite who they traded for giving basically picks with the readers a guy who you know, was if not the best garden football two years ago, certainly in the discussion it's early in the top two or three in twenty seventeen they're scheme through really fit what he wanted to do. He wasn't hundred percent in injuries kind of slowed in last year. So couple years removed from him being that caliber of player. But I mean, he's still he's twenty nine. He turns thirty in June a guy who, you know, even twenty seventeen even though he wasn't the guy. It wasn't twenty sixty was still a way above average guard. I mean, you know, if he's a a all pro caliber offense lineman. Then suddenly, you have a guy who can create. Holes for letting I'm balan- you have even if you don't solve the center situation. If even if you don't have a average center, you know, you have a guy who's going to make the centers life easier, regardless of who he is. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate the optimism. I guess. My my initial nations the the raiders traded him for a reason. I don't think his salary cap number was that exorbitant. And so, you know, he absolutely at his peak was that sort of player. He's not you know, he wasn't last year. Will he being twenty nineteen certainly we don't know that if he does the just got a great deal, but I think you can expect that and the just didn't have to give much to get him. It's possible that the raiders didn't know what they were doing. But I the hope is even approve -ment an upgrade at the position. And a starting caliber above average guard would be great turned into all pro formula. I mean that would be an absolute home run of the jets entered bell. I have to admit I was not expecting to hear a bone. The raiders did it. So they must know what they're talking about on on the on cast. But hey, I mean what what's actually just one best trade of the year. Sloane? Right. I mean, you know, you never know what could happen with the raiders the new year though. It's a New Year's troop. Let me finish with this in terms of the jets respective if they were going to add one player to this offense in the draft who was going to be a week one starter. Would you want it to be a center? Would you prefer tight end? Would you want a player at different position? Or is it just basically center bustard fro jets in the draft this year? Yeah. I think I mean, that's probably the everywhere. The an average player would give them the most improvement in really could be anywhere other than the wide receiver and just just are still in the mobile talent. They have a bunch of solid players now. But you know, so you you're able to move from below average to average that that helps but anywhere where they can add talent, I think you have to draw for best player Dale rather than the with with a slight preference for center. So you're saying they should draft another quarterback. You know, strange. It happens. Strange. All right, Tracy. I wanna talk about running backs on the whole already max might improve or decline in twenty nineteen in a moment. Butts talking about ZipRecruiter. I because I don't know what policy suggests used to go out and try and get players. They have scouts. I wouldn't soom. They have coaches they have Mike McCann and their general manager. 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Now back to the ship in terms of running backs twenty seven on Bella bit. I brought up saquon Barkley around this time of year every year, or at least some point during the offseason every year, you run one of my favorite series of the year at football perspective and looking at running backs and looking at what I believe is maybe your least favorite stat. I'm not one hundred percent, sure. But certainly in the discussion for your least favorite statistics is yards per carry. Why is yards per carry such bat stat? Well, it's more overrated than bad. But it just doesn't tell you that much and that that's the problem. So I think it's overrated because people think that tells you much gives you out of sight, but it really doesn't because yours precarious really skewed by one runs and long runs. Our reflection of skill and reflection of luck. And they're also pretty consistent from year to year. And when you add something that has a bit of luck to it is not typically all that repeatable and has such a huge weight on metric it really just value that metric until I don't want to evaluate a running back by yards per carry. I'd rather look at all of their carries and get a sense of how they're doing. So I created what I call heat maps on my website where I'm looking at. How often does running back at least one year positive how often get to yards three or towards and so on and then you can see a player who has a five point. Oh, yes. I have. Average could be much worse. I gaining all of those amount of yards and a player with a four point two. That's okay. I haven't just because of few long runs and long runs a great. We love him fantastic. But they they are not as valuable as insistently gaining yards. Because football is a game of firsthand that the goal is to consistently move. The change gaining yards is obviously really important, but not all yards created equally. We know that yard on thirty one is more valuable than yard on third and twenty Corso being able to consistently gain yours is more important than the yard gain. After your first time. Now, you say you mentioned a running back who averaged five yards per carry who wasn't quite as effective as a running back not average five yards per carry. I know that was just a hypothetical. But is there a back in the twenty thousand NFL season who was widely celebrated and maybe one on the ward who might qualify as a player who yards per carry perhaps inflates his level of. Play a year ago. There just might be Bill. And so you know, I like fake one Barclay a lot. I went to Penn State. I enjoyed watching him and I was excited that when he got drafted. I think he's fun to watch. And you know, another thing to think about all running statistics are simply reflection of how running back performed it. Doesn't mean it's the running backs credit or his fault. They play an offense behind nothing divine. But yes, the typically saquon Barkley underwhelmed almost every single time. He ran the ball other than the six or seven ten time when he broke off a huge run. And so his yours for carry were was really inflated, and this sort of no other way to say it, then it was really plated. He ended up having three runs of sixty eight yards or more. And then three more runs a fifty or more and the seventh run that was for forty six yards. So those are great plays Ben's us runs. But he also was one of the worst players in the NFL. Gaining three yards on the car is one of the worst running back NFL gaining at least four yards on a carrot. So you kind of picks her those stats you get defensive player who was really boomer bus and a five point. Oh, yes. Very average. Makes you think he was really good. And I think it's misleading say he was really productive last year on the fishing basis. It was really gonna quantity perspective, but he was not productive on the fishing base. Because he had so many ball runs. Now. Let me play devil's advocate. I obviously have no reason to support saquon Barkley or getting corner. I'm not by tearing the slightest. But in terms of you watch Barclay play. You're gonna sit there and say, wow, this guy's transcended back. Like how often he makes that first guy miss? He so fast. You know is incredible. He's a specimen, you know. He he's the exact sort of player you would figure it is going to break the rules and surpass. You know, surpass whatever regression to the mean, you might expect from guy who's not going to have those big carries had there been back in the past. Where historically that's been true where they've been able to sort of buck those trends and and make up for the those those missing one two three four yard runs by racking up fifty plus runs over and over and over again. Not really the question. I'd ask is if you're gonna stay everything you said are you going to bet on one out of every forty saquon Barkley runs being along game and one out of every sixty runs being fifty or game. I don't think he going to. And you know, this is not necessarily knock on take one Barclay. I do think being precise is important. What I'm saying? What what the specific kind of is is I'll take on Barclays five point zero yards carry average two overseas Hal affect if he was on a carry basis. He could be great running back. And if he had a four point two yards carry out because onto his long runs. I got called back because of a holding penalty the wouldn't change how good Barkley was or wasn't last year. But I think it would typically change the perception we have, and that's kind of the point is that those two or three plays so many things can happen. That would cause them to happen or not happen. And they have such an outside wait on. Once cystic makes me not wanna put a lot of weight mess. If you wanna tell me say going Buckley's, great because you watch him. And you think he's great. I agree with you. If you wanna say he's big because the five years carry that's where it just. So what's the flip side of this? Is there a player who who's yards for Kerry was not especially impressive year ago? But when you look at the, you know, the efficiency numbers on a play by play basis, he's someone who really impresses you or someone who stands out as a guy who was better than perhaps as yards per carry figure seems to indicate. Yeah. Good question. You know, when they keep in mind as last year yours for carry ever just through the roof and something what's a bad yards per carry. Average is hard to really comprehend for anybody who's been paying attention to football six phone 'cause it really was record-breaking season. But what you'd wanna you know, look at our players who were consistently gaining ours. But didn't have a lot of long carries Todd Gurley actually one of those and he played behind great offense of on. I think he really benefited from that album. Kamara is a pretty interesting example because you talk about you know, can't fake when Buckley continue to have quite long runs. Well that was chimera as rookie. And last year is yours. Pa- carry was the school point five five which was only a little bit above average, which you know. Maybe it's surprising. Keith didn't have the long runs that you would have expected. You know, he actually only had one run that was more than eighteen yards Brown. The fact that he's still averaged four point five five yards per carry show that he was consistently gaining. And he was he he really did a great job. Above average at gaining one two three four five six seven eight nine years, then everybody else he was really good at that. But he has your carry was cath because the big runs a few other players where I would say, which it to being a system, you know, all numbers are part of the system somebody like said birds where Mike Davis, I think they've benefited from playing with mobile quarterback, but they were excellent at gaining positive yards. I don't know if that's necessarily just because of their ability or because of the quarterback they play with, but you know, no worthy that they were really good at gaining yours. And so was on Jones Jones, also led the leaking precarious. Okay. Is not really flying radar right down the flip side of this. There are back who we would expect to be good. Typically has good numbers or is typically ineffective player, but just for whatever reason didn't have many long runs last year and somebody might expect to improve given a more, you know, traditional rate of of big runs. In twenty nineteen. Come out, certainly one I could say Sony. Michelle would you know being that category as well, which probably scared everybody who's not a patriots fan, which probably most people, you know, a lot of the running backs were able to gain four five yards. That's the the where I typically look to see who's doing a good job in those numbers. And again, somebody like early he's still had a good okay average. But it wasn't what it could have been dope. Lindsey also was really good consistent getting but he had a great yards per carry Akers. But I think it would be the guys like Edwards, even Frank gore. You know, it's an interesting vamp of obviously, you know, the oldest running back around. He's still was gaining yards. Seven eight percent better than the average money back up until a certain number. So he doesn't have the long distance ability anymore. But he was really affective last year. Even even at the age of sixty eight a guy some at to me as a candidate to improving twenty nineteen David Johnson who. I mean, pretty much below average, you know, in just about every facet side of getting you got one yard more frequently than a lot of backs. But I mean, a guy who didn't have many big runs last year per the chart here in football perspective, who we know we saw in twenty seventeen he can be a good running back. You can certainly make a lot of big place. So. He's the guy was sent up to me as maybe someone who you would figure better offensive lines to help bit. Maybe get him through some of those runs where he's not getting bottled up at the line of scrimmage, maybe a better scheme, but someone who figure is going to maybe take a step forward just on breaking off two or three more big runs on how to year ago. Absolutely. I mean, he he was such a top situation last year. It's hard to imagine a worse situation for running back like behind not only the weeds where stuff into one. But also the worst passing attack in the NFL. He he really struggled. I don't know. It's really a big indictment on him as a player. And so I would certainly expect to see more of him. And it'd be football's better when somebody like David Johnson good often. So hopefully, they're hypocrites things Zona casts to question. Treat chased finish up number one. If people want to check out this research running back where can they do that? They can go to football perspective dot com. That's my site. I write article every day posted every day. And I'm also on Twitter at FBGA chase. And you can come say nice things to me. That's what Twitter is for. Number two. We have different Twitter experiences. Apparently number two describe a successful twenty nineteen jet season to me the most plausible successful jet season. What does that look like I do think the play offs are falls -able? And at this point the jets don't make the man they get to nine win and they'll make the playoffs. I guess that's okay. But the jets have been doing this for too long and building towards twenty nineteen for too long that another poor season that doesn't end with eight or nine when you know, eight wins should be the minimum that you would expect and for an optimistic quasi season. It is making the playoffs now. So the jets sort of tour things down with the goal of rebuilding and going to twenty nineteen and twenty twenty a lot of people, including the jets have a history of success with I you head coach and the first time he'd bring that guy in. And so I think jets fans can plausibly root for playoff season. Giants were six. Ten and twenty fifteen read a Tom Coughlin. They were one and the half games below their factory and expectation going big spending spree. They make the playoffs and twenty sixteen. The jets fire their coach one point four winds below their green expectation last year, go on a spending spree. Stranger things have happened. Not. I don't wanna be on on this branch with you. I don't think you're going to the playoffs, but I will say stranger things have happened than they will either. I will have. The jets maybe the last five head coaches made the playoffs or in the case of Todd Bowles almost made the playoffs in each of the years. They've had a lot of excess with Rex Ryan Eric Mangini firm Edward. So there is some history. Their defense can be optimistic about just fire. The coach every year you heard it here. First from Chester of football perspective chase like so much. Thanks for having me on Bill. All right. Thanks so much to my guest today. Doug kind of Nessun chase Stewart a football perspective. And before we go just one reminds you check out the Meena kind of show this week. You're probably familiar with her. If you read ESPN watching PM or listen to this podcast any point in the past this week Meena is interviewing former colts punter Pat McAfee who not only believe works for the WWE, which is strange group path. 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Autosport@70  Choosing the greatest junior single-seater racing car of all time

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Autosport@70 Choosing the greatest junior single-seater racing car of all time

"Welcome to the latest episode. The seventy. Two years old and we take them on the challenge of picking out some of the greatest racing cars of an competition cars of tickly categories. And this episode is junior single ceases are not going to pretend that's our expert in this field. But I do have two very special guests that will help us through the many many. Different candidates we've got for this. On chief editor of All Sports Kevin Na I'm Gonna I guest is someone who's driven some of these calls repulsed many of them. And he's a fan I'm sure many of them as well. Marcus Pie who's been working for for for over forty years. So you definitely have to be on one of these podcasts Mockus. How you doing, your could even kept have very good. Thank you weathering the lockdown and As you can see I'm surrounded by older back numbers. So there's always plenty to read if I'm at a loose end is a very impressive saw minor. Stacked up behind, you can't say it's nothing because impressive impressive collection you every single issue have new do back to always finding fifty. So yeah. Yeah. I'm quite sad like that. But in a house full of goals I'm the Mosier is. The magic contributed. Advantest second-guessed is another Marcus Marcus Simmons he doesn't have a label sports behind him but does have a loss of interest and knowledge about junior single seaters particularly in the current air despite the fact he's Outrage Children Cal Cross Bounden think it's probably fed cited that junior English seats is probably your first novice fair Marcus Yes. Seen as I am guys touring car races as you've said, this is seen as. Soon. As the British f-full cars are on the track on their the window will the fence. To to watch what's going on always. Fascinated with what ching the Stages of the careers of young talent coming through in and saying saying who is going to be a star of the future and that's something otherwise love doing since I was a kid. In Ninety seven season hours guiding say Rice macy's with my dad. I must say by. In this episode, have a good track record of picking out rausing styles which could probably have pulled Custovic zone actually, but we should probably yeah, probably get started on on the calls and the main criteria that how successful they were, how they Chinese the game and Get Out of jail free called, which is the rating. How cool. We think the calls are amongst start with the opposite to the news. Oh, the oil enjoy, which is big powerful. Harry. GT But it's a very important cat really. Pharmacy Fuller three, which aspect will must invented gina single seater racing rarely am the Jack. With the combination that's what the best of all Mitt Marks. Formulas ABC's Cooper Jack. Where does that stand? It's going to be too much genesis isn't it? Well. Kind of. Yeah. Back back in the immediate post World War Two years of fuel rationing. There wasn't much option to go call racing and a bunch enthusiasts down in Bristol, basically building around Bristol aircraft companies motorsports. Group Club there. Founded class using five hundred C. C motorcycle engines effectively, and very, very simple spindly Chiba Chassis. there. Were lots of one offs bus but Charles and John Cooper father and son in Surbiton at sees the. Cease the ready and they decided to basically link two sets of fit top Alina who suspension with their Chiba frame, and thus the Kupa five-hundred was born in the back of the nineteen forties the young Stirling Moss. Walls of bit of a star on he went to competed in hill climbs manacles won the five, hundred, cc rice. The very first Google would meet December nineteen, forty, eight and. These calms evolved into the early fifties. By the time they got to the Cooper Mall for him out fights is producing them in. In large numbers for generous sales, really they were responsible for the birth of the British racing car industry and several hundred lease. 'cause made all the way through the nineteen fifties. and. What was extraordinary they were mainly powered by the little Japanese to start with then the double knock Norton K. been much stronger. So therefore, you had a a junior and a senior kind of level of cost. KNOWLTON's obviously dominated towards the end. The real starved came through. Jim Russell who won the? Auto sports a jump ship on three times running. went on sue pioneer racing schools but the only. Kupa some some things Kusuma five with it'll stickle back titles a fantastic actually competed in international grand prix some them writings into the formula to type razors with bigger engines. Allen Brown for Curie Richmond, won the nineteen fifty one Luxembourg Grand Prix. In a cooper mark five and a car that I was privileged to hill-climb albeit with JAP engine a long time later in the early nineties that great things and Some of those races I mean, there were hundred mile races. At Silverstone. So involving refueling and all kinds of things which I'm this is biggest belief. Really. Some pretty pretty amazing things they were pretty recalcitrant and they still have a very strong following today around Europe that race in the states causes well. And you know it was the early formula three racing was adopted by the equivalent of the F. I advocating formula three racing in the fifties. Until the advent of counts Charlie, the Ronnie's formula junior. Towards the end of the fifties was the Khanna, steppingstone young sauce on both sides of the Atlantic. A think it's important in what not just junior. Junior motoracing, but set the template for cheaper to go going pre racing and changing the face of Formula One as well. But Monk Simmons. I guess the question is does it does it take the fever the fever rating compared some the 'cause GonNa come later on struggling slot with the spectacle factor for these calls even all respects their place in multiple history that's fair or do you think we should take these through to the final? Yeah. I'm GonNa have to completely bow down to the other Malkhas here because. That set an era of racing I know very little about and but what I would like. To add also blazed the The context of the time and what I love about five hundred Stacey fullness minutes three. As Marcus mentioned it was a completely organic. Thing that happened that there was no governing body saying, these are the regulations. This you're gonNa Day it was a bunch of enthusiasts. Getting together. Because it made sense the time with the materials people had and I'm from not. Full Matt racing was boone. Completely democratized as well because. Going back to the pre is very much at a rich Man's sport but said that the. Five hundred say. Woman to three era I'm really brought it within reach of a lot more paypal as far as participation consent. Am I would go along Kevin Society. Not much of a spectacle by the standards of what has come since but I bet if you were. Standing on the bank, it runs hats running anti clockwise in the. Fifties maze. Intrepid drivers in five hundred sixty cows out that it was absolutely brilliant. It was watching watching people who make their own one obstacle reg bicknell with the reddish with its full buddy he was he was flung into the it's. At brands hatch as you say running other white behind what is now the pace? But it was. The day it was, what was that? It was what provided the opportunity for the The guys like most. Teeth. Some really fantastic drivers came through and not just Jim. Russell but people like Stuart. Lewis Evans. John Parker. They will really very quick I'm what as as as the Marcus sign interesting about the regulations the regulations are pretty vague. In a way. That will front engine cars with front wheel drive. They were caused that were. About the size of about I don't know about about six feet long which had engines and drives pretty much should've mishmash did in the middle which said he's. Got The. Monaco hot wheel drive. But the coupe is were pretty special. It was Cooper's versus chiefs murdy pretty much at the front. The coupe is with a dominant force in a way made more 'cause. They were stronger and. The. Cooper Mark Nine, which was pretty iconic They were pretty fabulous. Nicole remember. Also they were. Fueling the aspirations of guys in the hill climb championships and and. People when. The Hill Climb Championship through the latter part of the fifties when it went away from traditional kind of rice and things like that, which will create war. Leftovers way. They became the go to work go to cope for that as well, and they sustained speed hill climbing with five hundred later the V twin engines. So, billy part of the nineteen sixty. So I think there's a there's a case to the five hundred an iconic carvey zero. That's for sure on. That's kind of what it's about. Yeah I. Think Maybe we was saying as one of the greatest categories perhaps of which that was the best rather than a particular cards. On from the five hundred Formula Three Movement to formula junior to one liter formula three screamer era it evolved and. It is what it is. It was what it was. Absolutely well, you mentioned that Formula Junior and we've we've got I think two calls. We can talk by pick out traps, which which is a great from junior and then and then discuss whether that should go through to to the final. The. The one that jumps out most obviously is the lightest twenty, two He's Arundel dominated on sixty three seasons probably called the most most comes to mind. Now that that Marcus, he suggested that the Brabourne bt six as well as good alternative scientist. So well, the sort of married. So those of us doing this competition. In both of those calls were excellent because the latest twenty two had been evolved from the previous year's legs. Twenty eight had a better specification. It had better. Brakes had just brakes around had the engine candidate. to lower the body line Remember Teen Nine Hundred Sixty Jim Clark one at some at Goodwood as first major single seater win That was like a flowing coffee. It was a big square chunky thing but there's some that got to the twenty two it was a much much lower Very much a baby preko know that the eighteen served as both but this look like the real state of the art deal. Agos closest went on for Monaco car full. Unitary. Construction Chassis. The twenty seven. which was Expensive to make it was complicated to run in comparison difficult to fix it in the field. And in sixty three, the final year formula junior the Brenton bts six on song. One of the classic because from Ron Harnack Span, during board on who who died recently I ninety five. Extraordinary and That was the foundation of the of the. production come already started with the one m the gone onto the problem bt two. In sixty two and then ultimately the bts six, which was a really fantastic con. I like Frank Gardner in Denny Hulme, Guy would drive in them and they were absolutely superb. Now in saying that allowed. To form the basis for subsequent models including fifty one, which I guess would have to be considered pretty pulled as a foam. The full genesis said does that perhaps perhaps perhaps loyalties to them all does that on a as a formula Ford Fan. That is that perhaps throw the lights twenty to fifty one. into. This. AD. Volunteer debate. And again you're talking about an area that's a little bit early for me. site. Only say if the. If Ariza of a family. Connection between the twins to in the fifty one. Outside is pretty important. Because glady for became. The greatest audited the crisis juniors single say catch grave oak will let Alexis fifty one wasn't really the Hasa very long in that Volterra quickly I'm what I just just. From a As the context of. A run SARANAC and Robinson and and then after that roads I would. Potentially, a favor, the bt six if only because robin became in the late nineteen sixties, the kings of customer, racing cars and then. Runs obviously carried that on from the mid seventies with roles in. The Casa a design renowned for being a fairly simple, fairly easy to work on. What midnight at nothing fancy just rating well-designed. Let's say but again. That's just my thinking about an era much about. I think you'll absolutely rights marcus I think. Both have the amendments, obviously many many loach's twenty twos at some of the twenty, th, maybe the twenty, nine, hundred, twenty, two, Spec as well and that was the strength of loyalty could turn out a lot of cars farmed out chassis manufacturer. and. We're putting a Lotta 'cause I don't on the market they filter down the food chain. Little privacy has got them as well as twenty two is a really, really good privacy, a car but the. The BRABHAM conversely was built it was a more rigid chassis. Etcetera and as you say, Torres was an absolute genius he he was. A real good foil to Jack Brabham in that mark because he with both really really pragmatic guys inject problems of very, very fine mechanic and a call billed as well as the driver. and. Tornado was. Just, a genius of the join bogus he could envision sings she saw as you mentioned the road progression through that I mean just look at how different. Space Frank wasn't he built his first comeback in Australia in the fifties but Moving from there to something like thirty three which were discussed lakes wrong. At just moving with the times and staying ahead of the Times more importantly. Made him a massive force in the marketplace and you know the problem was a fantastic without doubt. The mall complete car but the low to steed go on through the lineage of the said, he wanted full he one former three calls to make the first fifty ones and kickoff formula Ford, racing in sixty seven as you say. Site Alvin should go through some of the most amazing rices I've seen him. Info. nugenix rights is on oxide. Someone is the site he would normally magnetically got it tools the smallest single they decide which one of is, would you like to put through to the final discussion? The the lightest twenty-two T six. I think both the but I think the problem is posted the best car, but there were fewer of them and unwanted. helped In in in both the last year against the beaches basie sixers probably just like the problem was more complete car the latest was more plentiful I'm I'd probably go with the Brabham folks choosing one. Antastic that goes through, and so we we to jump forward a little bit. Probably come back a little bit later but I think this this is more into your Malka Simmons the March Seven I. Yet. Formula Two Championship, tell me about the The impressive misses. The seventy seventy-two does not at a lot of success through genetic that Tom seems to be up point Julia and but we may be made Ladder done as salvage one release seven, nine, hundred criminal dominant in its in its first year yet, and completely, you're right because then. A cooling it genius singles is a bit of a misnomer because of this late in the nineteen seventies. We still had to London drivers. Doing formative cigarettes is not as great. Anyway here is great numbers. I had done in the nineteen sixties but. That's Is, an era that said what I. Grew up at watching racing and. It was all is very, very colorful. Very exotic. Yeah because. You went say Rice matings in the sky and it was. It was generally British people rising that cost but then. The. Didn't event you would have. The full mental town from around Europe at drivers hey. One formula three championships at high visiting thrust into the best time some of these names. Say Maurizio Flaminio, jean-pierre way. And they let David drivers that we didn't really know anything. About until we still. Think. The. The much seven eight. And I sold was they lost great customer of Full Mattera. and. It wasn't just a customer call because the WAX team dominated that year as well. We winning the championship in mock Syrian in second place and thoughts. They were. Large numbers of seventy hundred series generally powered by the BMW NJ. The engine was was competitive and and actually the seven say we'll say stay competitive into seventy-nine because. Ride diggle in the the tolman say. Racing. year-old, not seventy one, the east of trucks and rice. I just think the lines on Colorado's eighty gorgeous as well, and and unite wouldn't Aficionado of. That era to. Because the sticks excuse on China. In a picture from not air into magazine. At, the seven eight say I just thought at. Not so good drivers in it. And probably the obsolete. Paik of. An. Excellent Customer racing car for forty. Jimmy Happier. The seven hundred twenty to be the representative of the governor of European film to rising couldn't agree more of. Absolutely everything that some boxes said Without doubt the march seven, eight two, who's the greatest car that March produced. It was greatest customer Formula Car at one nine of the twelve races in European championship that year eight with Bruno Giacomelli. And won the untested rice nobody agreeing with Alex Ribeiro in Jesus Saves car. They made towards thirty of them still hallowed today everything about ms right had a much. Narrower stiffer slab sided tub than the. Seventy seven, two, seven, seven, two, ps when before. The. Very very good that wide knows very redolent of of marches from about seventy three was. involved. It was low flash wide flicked the era over the from wheels ray successfully, and then cost guide over the back as well which made the call very quick straight line they were easy to run. They were very, very responsive and particularly with the BMW AM twelve seventy in the back of age making. Three hundred horsepower. Made a call which would qualify they're easily for the. Not even the bank. Was the middle. One Grid says the day in the right hands. So yeah, I mean. One of my favorite three calls of time. So I'm a little bit. So of little. Bit Looking through rose tinted spectacles perhaps but. I think the the white evidence supports the march seven, hundred to as one of the greatest junior single say tacoma overtime without doubt definitely. Well, that's very easy immediately through to the final decision and but I think the next one we can talk about probably as good as strong claims. Well, you mentioned it where the amongst the alcee three. So ground effects had long of success as well for a call. Still mock make racing was still thing. In the in the in the lower levels at that point. So the substandard as the three-car it interesting isn't it because having four? Three had been a to fullness since nineteen seventy, four short interlude between the screamers the three year interlude sixteen hundred calls that were. Lovely things but the actually not very quick in the real world. The, Tunisia came on. And as the decade progressed you fantastic into malt battling March Roll Chevron Dog Oh and others Anson came into the fray and pay monks as well. But the the office three changed the rules of engagement at mind It didn't do that immediately it was actually not particularly great to start with I struggled to understand it So different it had the. The Formula One style winco Khanna Concept We were trying to keep the front of the car and he was sort of trying to make. Go Round corners incredibly quickly with with downfalls Behrmann you've only got one hundred, sixty, five horsepower or something like that from the restricted twenty full mill engine in those days and therefore you had a fair amount of drag with it to stall with but it had to be trimmed very, very careful in really it was down to only think at least some was one of the first guys to drive analyses for A. Struggle with it, maybe predictably a number of Wilson knuckled down with Ron Tarmac and Jank Bonfield abundant. They went testing a lot. They got it sorted out well so pretty by the end of nineteen eighty when you had the fabulous battle that that muck senator members, of course for the championship between Stephanie Hansen candid fashion. And Roberta Guerrero. The first two marches for most the season. Guerrero in the works all. Jammed six another credit car. And The the role was the best option at the end and Stephanie hasn't got one. With the the dictates from. Project Fourteen Muslim. At that point we projects free. You tell me it was protect. Yeah. And Jim and actress and could have had one as well but it's just so I decided with what he had. And lost out the very very end. It was incredibly close front Three. Is One of those cars that went on for years it it say it really altered formula. Three. came. In League room with the VW the Brabham Judd engine, which was a narrow. Lights white at two liter engine. Unlike the big Toyota's the twenty to TJ that ran from seventy four was. A heavy. Lump of a thing developed by Nova Motor very well between Canada single camp w engine fitted beautifully into that package the roles guest. Some roads had offices well. Under reported wanted to other options in in the Far East but it was a a a mighty tool on for what right through to kind of at Ford and the end of the ground effect era of. Formula Three before the flat bottom cars came in eighty five and you will remember that very well Marcus. The The altea straight carried on with the same fundamental designed with minor updates, Gabe year, and the the call that and Stephanie. Hansen use allows few races of Nineteen Ninety to win the championship. Of course was was kept boy project full team manager Dick Bennett's. That point was repulsed a wrong Dennis. And then. West sorry. Engineering was born with Jonathan Palmer, Joe having the same call the aircraft after he won the championship again. West sorry. Engineering became west. Sorry. Rising originates and Senate to the championship ice three. M I'm limited because the the altea three started out as a fairly robust thing we with heavy rocket front suspension and evolved into something with push suspension much kandhamal refined by the end of it as tonight more about it but it remained at the top of the trade. Didn't it did yeah. Uneven name not just. Just, in the aware, it completely an icy ball, a little cameo appearances from menaka McNamara Nansen but but but in Europe as well. He had multi-million Laura. I'm it was winning the European Championship in icy three with our engine in the hands of Pierluigi Martini on the only thing that really stopped the threat was the complete negril set racy five where ground effects was out. Awesome Zorin. I'm having said that was that will still afloat kit for the RT three and eighty five seem to remember it. Absolutely carry dog and if a were with a fee brave teams. It wasn't because once one flat bottom it was it was developed by. Of Different sources and it was it was I k on the coast of rain on came in that year as well. The Carbon Fiber Monaco on out. And the role of the time was really strange. Wasn't it? The RT thirty says to pay because it had a symmetric side pause and a low on one side and a high one the other with the right urinate. which looked some. Just a bit hold. A I thought he was the racing car equivalent of Filipacchi from the Human League's hair actually A. symmetric cycle route but without the piercing. But it did liquid and it was dropped was in it for the out. Eighty six onwards but said, yeah, they all take three I. I'm really up the rate. The anything going against it is that I? Think it's as attractive to look at as the notches Chevron Gaze, Cetera that that came before and and and it completely. Almost completely destroyed. The multi Mount exact won't liked wasn't it in up to nine hundred eighty you did see. Those. Very different looking cars and there were a few other things like that Derek and things like that. In in Germany with. Wheels? The BOZA, Derek's team. I think we remember romantically that kind of era. Of Multi Mark in when. Teams could get it wrong. drivers could go their own way and actually have their ability mosque by a call. It was inferior but I'm not I'm not found one Mike Reisig so. Perhaps. Perhaps. The Aussie three was the catalyst for that. That's GonNa to that could become the crops of a bit of our debate lighter on our thing. This multi-diverse is the one might, but I'm I. Think on share share level of success is it helped launch and obviously the defects. And any call I think effectively has to be banned because it's too good. A think really has to be considered pretty seriously saw very happy to put the alty three straight through to the final, and the next recalls talk about we're going to have to come. because. If we were having a debate about the greatest genius in the category of overtime. I think you'd have a hard job coming with the Ford. Thames of these longevity drivers at lunch all the cows, the quality of the racing I'm a week we list of three candidates. I think for the best film before rights from voters, the swift debut one vandy minority fighting t and the Van Damme Alright Don I'll have non he's probably the most famous food. So stealth bomber that's probably what most I mean. That's still successfully can can raise these now like them by like taking the light to cars so that water comes to mind but but mocked by you through in the swift in the it so. What where do you see the strengths and weaknesses values three calls I the RFID was interesting because it took the wind concept of the seventy, seven, seventy, eight, hundred to another level It became very successful look at classic form of food. Now, everyone wants a van demon or if eighty I did my first Formula Ford races in our facie, which is absolutely fantastic and found out that it started out life as Tom. Woods RF seventy eight and just got updated but it's a superb car that will made the quick through the ads I all. Robust. I don't think that's very important when it comes to the privateers running the 'cause. Team you through coolness on the front and Center but if you were sliding away toiling away as a weekend warrior garage off to work that was easy to maintain and at a strong chassis was a a good thing. Some great drivers came through them, of course, into a marcus sort of probably was. Around it as often if not more often than than than I was that point. Desolate more about rfid that kind of earphone afford right six again it was a a massive multi ma sharp showcase wasn't it? It was and. I think you'll probably better position Nakas to accommodate at. figure it numbers constructs his that around at the time but I love. Over rolled somewhere around two hundred and sixty, I've got to on a list. From one offs and causes from a previous era modified into Ford cars to you know to to cause produced in their hundreds. And Bear in mind that van to produce his thousand thrice car by. By nine hundred eighty, five having started in a building in seventy three for the seventies season look at them making the hundred year across the making more than one hundred years. Lots of Lola's lots of royals cetera in in the states that were monks over there doing pretty well as well. So. There are literally thousands of Formula Ford Cost. So it's a deep pot to stir but of course, the cream rises to the talk. RFID. com. Probably the best design. Albana's them though it was the swift debuted one designed by David Bruns in the states made in. California. When that Cau- appeared for the first time at the nineteen eighty, three What's called? Club America national championship runoffs Sh. The the melting pot for all Kinda club racing in the states and people drives qualify from the different regions. All round North America to earn the right to go there. So this shootout and then. Swift to end up with this call it like a spaceship absolutely unbelievable. The DB one with with the. Khan of. deed. Bodywork air intakes round the driver's hips. But the most significant thing of department ultra stiff out narrow chassis was the the aluminium? Bell, housing linked the engine to the gables contain do oil tank. Nicole is pushed the white distribution of the car a different why the driver's feet actually with reading through the front suspension. So they were ahead of the front rights at Cetera, but the Arrow of it was sensational the car looked million bucks and all K space who was not on his first flush of youth involved in the in the swift. Company. Absolutely blitzed it left everyone else. So scratching their heads as a result hundreds is fifty, be ones were made. And they remained hugely so off to cause now. What I. Think's interesting. The regulations fairly quickly changed. And the driver's. Feet had to be behind the front axle line. Full, all the cars within a couple of years. And that made it very difficult to keep up because the Swiss was still there in huge numbers with these inbuilt. Agronomic perhaps. Advantages dynamic advantages. And everyone else had to kind of look around because the the fundamental balance of the cosby changed by bringing the driver back within the wheelbase so to speak. But does he won I just think he's an awesome car. And, of course, it spawned the the van Demon eighty-five, and even ridicule really committed to building. Pepsi's worst for of food costs in about the seventy, five, seventy six. And that stays indictments were still kind of loosely based on leads to sixty nine but. When it came to the swift blowing everything out of the Washer they was stuffed because they produced they knew the stuff to send a story but they produced the they are effective four, the PTERODACTYL. As study which had pool road front suspension, a raucous narrow rocker rea- HOFFA CON Dustbin of fuel tank note to the driver's shoulders. It just was a bizarre thing looked kind of okay. For four two thousand guys maybe have you put some facet wheels wings to balance the curious looks But. it was pretty hopeless and so when the earth eighty. Arrive the car which took that even pastas thousands a race car mark. It was kind of A. Very nicely repackaged fifty be one if you like with big. Bell, housing in the bank oil tank, all the advantages. and. It proved to be a classic car, but it had missed the boat and missed the boat for for once very very rarely does relative route Fomento Die Baldwin fall into that trap. But Thir- very interesting and they counted as the years went by and the other call we talked about was the rest ninety. which was an amazing piece of Kit and had so much mechanical grip for the first time I drove. The SAT outright homelessness evolved share on a position in the middle of it, and it just ricocheted round corners. It was the mazing base, a kid and the cost of follow. The next couple of years were very much on that albeit with modifying. Spanish. Indifferent shock absorbing shock on the. on the ninety two. front-end but some. It really forced some very, very deep thinking that's with DB. One concept that was still winning again, the states still is now. Fulsome deep thinking up in Norfolk and Ralph Oman and dipoto resourceful people they kind of took a very, very close look. Shall we say at the DB one came up with around kind of version And of course, the UK swift's. Would not that dissimilar to kind of repackage this ninety two, which is good. Car was kind of a repackaged friend Demon arth ninety one to each other justice informative one where. Everyone looks. Williams FW Have Seven will ever looked ledger seventy williams come out with a fantastic package. And then. Everyone else looked to do the same thing and I remember. Seventy nine being pretty dominant car in seventy eight. And Nine. So that came out that point Baraga the Italian company. VIRAGO. Model. Of the tool was allowed seventy nine but painted blue because actually no. Difference from the outside detailing was very different but you wouldn't have known that in a model sort of kind of one thirty second Scott or something like that. So everyone couple of each other they'll looking they were also looking for that advantage. An informal food, which was a very trend led market 'cause results at things like the for wonderful festival at the end of October, very much dictated where the spend was going to be for the following year. And that some spoke cellphone Bama Van Demon. The at ninety was a sensational tool and them very well. It wasn't amazing. Wasn't it? I? Think I am on the late nineteen eighties it was it was really the the latest ray notes that I'm. Definitely. Very successful and perhaps worrying Damon and. The Harith noisy. was a vast. Improvement for the last era of fat last few years at the Kennedy era but. What It. Kind of. hostas by little bit in the time I think because. Because full of food on a national level when was at an all-time light after nineteen ninety, I remember guys at one round five cars on the grid. And Junior. Held up a guy that yet. But. Rene, you'll be making a big push. To establish won't read I in in in this country and David was also making the formula. Vauxhall Junior wasn't it? Yeah. and Richard Marketplace's we say many times before. It has A. Full full really suffered at that point and it did bounce back. A little bit for ninety one and ninety two and what's him That state you got Jamie Spence in Young Magnusson jobs of that caliber coming through and say. said that so the ninety. It's almost mind is the nineteen, ninety, one and ninety two that makes it the great call. That yes. Emily, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Because knowing. Relatively, weak year in this country but said, but it was very striking cars. Well, I right in thinking net because if the heights. that. I never driver. Funding I'm some of the smoother driving trouble I'm seeing an mirrors or over the side. When I discovered Smith old of vestigial windscreens down the side of them didn't. In much the same way as with the six wheeler sitting in a six, we literally can't see the lieutenant from wheels and won't once you're on the go it's actually not an issue but it was useful for placement and actually turning occurring tonight picks for cooling justly just a tad black tie somewhere, and so some windscreens cut in the side of those of the cost of consigned to the side cruising through the chaperone was at the two J. Succo had sort of election clear Dole's in the size of the. Likud scientists. Marriott very we another debate anyway. Fascinating and we've got tree wonderful. Wonderful cost. In that in that category I have to say that. this. Can you make a very good case for the swift or feel it would be hard not to have and even through to the to the light studies given that. The company impose largest producer. Racing. Today Mesa do me the. Debut on, they are ninety that goes straight to the to the fallen Orlando. Think think the TV. Nop Seven. Yeah I think that thing the DVD one was the most technically advanced the most innovative. Formula Ford. One. sedley changed the face of it. But we can't fact that Van Damon that the largest series producer of. Junior. Single seater rice 'cause. Maintained its position brilliantly and things like. David. But wins are ninety. So that Stealth bombers, it was not an. Is a very special machine day nothing that probably serves to go forward in the context of arguments. Others will think differently and that's debatable. It's all about. Isn't it? If they I completely agree. Apathy alright all. Through so that there I said. moving back in time. Then because the next the next on the list is the the Ryan Art Light for SF the. Eve Different one of these another Colorado lists driven. Yeah. It's been a fairly a fairly extensive list on. The road. Eighty four was a fantastic car Agent right on great deep thinker, brilliant brilliant man. And he Tried to do something different with his formula forty thousand the early part of the nine hundred, ninety s the eighty three move things along really really well. But the full was a a much, much better package. At. Arocca a suspension etcetera at quite an interesting car. If all from those woman affords effectively that that Marcus was talking about there on the end of the. At the. The cost of very special. If I put a finger on it probably because. They worked very, very well. Pretty much any angle of incidence coming into a corner You could drive them through a corner. Neatly. You could actually get the back end out as well, and the call would still move forward whereas the opposition at the time. Than Demons, the August jam full teams go. Line, you lost traction, you lost ground, and the right was a very comfortable car. The strongest thing in the world it had to be customized by the teams. But studying a Blackhawk cakes and the teams would go in contrast I did it then demon as well and they build their own cars the factory they'd get the car and then they take it home and strip it down and then go through a long program all stiffening it up, strengthening it, making it just a a better deal. But if you remember I, mean eighty four was. The Greatest Year of Formula Forty thousand I think is the best probably the most competitive championship either. Reported in the hadn't share Sandra solid with management who won the British Championship. The euro series is one by received Gelman is Brazilian compatriot with Russian grain both in right now. But also a with the likes of Andy Wallace Martin Donnelly Julian Bailey Anthony Reid. To, Davis. government Cowan was in there as well and all sorts of great drivers was at the strength in depth that season was absolutely brilliant but the the was dominant car without doubt entity read on a few races in the in the dog, which CA- Patrick Racing and He. Wants types of sick but the Rhine, all a very, very good at package a trove saw is on the Grand Prix circuit suicide in the days when there was not the the field kind of zeile diversion after stowe and I, remember how quick walls through struggle. But also that if you absolutely right and bear monitor another professional driver. By the end of the morning I could. Club corn absolutely flat insult which was brilliant. So you if you turned exactly the right place catch enough, you just touched the curb coming out was brilliant turned in too early end up in the barrier. So to likely not make the cool particularly well, but you just sort of scraped around. But. Phenomenal car aside, not the strongest thing I remember seeing one. Comeback in half after Donington tests. The then his Fratello car at Donington and. It. It had an accident of sorts. Quite sure how he got out of it in one piece, but he was fine up the comes in two pieces and to halls on the tow truck connected by. Clutch. Cable. Cable Clark tickly one and they took it back and we'll back together again and he was probably a couple of weeks but you had to change the chace. He's pretty regularly on the. Flex Adrian would say that stiff chassis was very, very important. To the way that is caused in fact, I, think the fact that it worked too wet or dry sideways or strike properly it wasn't. It was tactically not as stiff as they were sending everybody. And certainly, the the what the teams are doing individually to keep them competitive suggested that some I needed a lot about Cape but it was a burden And sight won the championships and what more can you say it said it went on to become the six Rhino as well because the it five was a bucket of junk basically, and so they went back to what they knew just as they done fact eighty one because the semi ground effect point E. Reina was nothing like as good as the seventy nine Martin brundle drove the H. E. Graham ducks pre drug one as well. Front Bradley had one. But the IT go back to work with the initially that we're trying to do a wing car type four, four, two, thousand but not with one hundred and sixty of formula three with one, hundred, twenty, five, hundred, thirty dollars per formula four, thousand and Oatley it didn't work as well as the mole basic. College procedures therefore in much the same way as. The like subscribe. Roger Penske was never shy about switching marks when his own 'cause weren't up to the up to the beam. The Reynolds went back to basics and returned with a minor update that previous conference two years bank to continue to do very well in two thousand. So yeah. Fantastic car and the best of the best the bunch the best formula four thousand. I think Brian a country mile. Before, we saw Gusto on a throat to other Mockus and say is it is significant as the next car allies, which is the rain up from Roy related. So now we're in the debate of multi versus single mark. So wait where you stand on. On those two. Route I Echo what Marcus was saying about the The rain for half an. Automatic final formula forty thousand. Whether it was a coincidence will note that was the really the time when it? Kind of became a stepping Steinberg, drive his own that White Formula One, as opposed to being a category that. Paid in full infant six hundred for too long wants to neighbor day something else. Would they will will people he perhaps went quite good enough today for me to three. So around the three I swore ever is Wary Radi and became a trumpet stepping Stein Swift One and a Knox's mentioned the icy fullest season at following. It was multi donal against the Light Patrick. Fall Be. An end in? Subsequent. Subsequently Blonde Delegates Patrick Gush Ninety six JJ late Saturday nights. Site at least of of of talent. Generation of thousand and. They. the cause of. Chuck. Was British championship European Championships. Drivers were racing old through the season and we had walked in my mind is some of the greatest racing I've ever seen, which was the baby Grunstein wins series, which is A. Round. Mini tournament on the Brands Indy Circuit at the end of the season jobs foot six hundred baby up from making slicks Wings Davies So I think it was a really significant. And and it really. Without. You can. You can see the. That the. Woman Evokes, selected scholars we'RE GONNA discuss. Is really very much part of the same family as the. I seven SF fully full thousand right now from from the BEFO funnily enough it was never cool to right now. The folks. At right now night then. From nineteen ninety eight. To nineteen. Ninety. One And as a leader to make that was the beginning of make singles as arising. Whether that's a good thing. At a it was, it was certainly viewed as a very radical step at a time seems funny to think it now but sensitivity as a guy when it when it was introduced and it was one night racing at that point was at mini's little run I five tab ISO metro, Taibbi and stuff like that singles as arising was never make site. And yet we move onto the box of latest in. I really. Would say the box Alexa, probably the most significant. In the history. Off Single states arising junior single seater racing because of that that it just brought in a new concepts I'm not. Just with the what make. and. But said, will say it was very much I'm. Brian Chowder and downfall tell from the European drivers association being running. European championships four, thousand, four, hundred, sixteen, hundred schools, two, thousand Nice to the decade before that and. Also had a connection with Benny. Stein. which enabled him to get full support slots in on really am in another way, it's the genesis what we see. Now with the Brain Michelle Championship so that FIFA soon if I formula three in the sense that from it to around. 92-ish. The European. championship was predominantly supporting along growing praise around here, which obviously made A. Bet to sell. Sponsors and. Trump the grids were upset enormous and that was one year where they even have to have a cliff occasion round zolder before the season kicked off to to weed out and. Ten competitors because they just couldn't keep with the amount of spice and that was required to surrender. Have to reluctantly. Because I have a same seinfield. About, the single might versus multi. Being being the first successful one of that taught probably means it has to be in pretty serious contention and the next one on the list is. Coming that just just go onto that vocal thing. The folks who likes US I think it's fascinating because Kate was formative. formula. Chevrolet Lotus as well at some point I think it probably wasn't in South America. Resilience and from that championship came. Castro Neves. Tony Finan. Cristiana domestic all in the same year. And already that reinforces what you've been saying absolutely about at significance. But what was significant is that the car was A. Very, the chassis was very, very different concept. From Asia and right it was it was forward thinking. Had A a kind of steel frame image but down. Of that FRY were referred to his planks, but they were kinda honeycomb. Aluminium Honeycomb. Blocks that ran the hallway. Lego down the side of the of the made them. Incredibly strong. It was pretty difficult to hurt yourself in one if you had a a a reasonable accident remember. Striking one years later and somebody came up with the top of me at at not kill. and his car was absolutely find the continued I. Think in in the second race later in the day. But they were. Very interesting. In the white site, it was one Mike rising. She's not my bag tickly but the fact that introduced so many drivers from so many countries and it. Allowed them to compete on a world stage an equal machinery Maine said, it has to be right up there under consideration. Update put the question out on the on the F- TO FACEBOOK group. Today. TYPIC-. I really couldn't put a figure on how many of them were made the fulminated stumbled on rights are into the at the late nineteen nineties. But. Some surprisingly low estimate I am from a couple of a couple of people. He seemed very wedding formed about great of around six hundred fifty and I would have thought it would be moving that but said the cons with just. Solid. A great. It's a great number still Sonam comparable with some of sort of the best of the crosby formula foods and and things like of loads and loads and loads of to sixty ones that will most unfathomably just a repackaged fifty one. With the wedgie bodied sexier but. Not Not not. Not. Ideal. But I think very interesting and a strike of genius from Adrian ran out to. Kind of come up with a concept. That brought greater safety Greg strength the front suspension had. Linked on accosting wasn't as a cost on the front of the chassis again, which gave it. An extra level of protection for frontal impact. So I'd impact was pretty much taken care of by these planks downside the honeycomb adding medium signs that stiffen the whole. Shansi. Out. They went through metamorphosis tonight with a elated Baldy, which is sorta slippery Erin Cetera initiative they had they struggled to turn the cost because the getting snagged on the wings at the Front, but some got solicited coast but there was some days when the older car with different era. Toppled. The lighter ones who should not embarrassing. Yes. Shuba in Germany, when he produced from ninety to one woods, are never liked that the body. That was great with me as much until the. To Ninety one body side that I'm ninety I think ninety two was good for reporting sponsored by guys on because. The wasn't it the likes of. Of Malton O'CONNELL and Moseley people like that. Who put the cat among the pigeons by keeping the older style car competitive I think even winning races yes. It was same. It was it was Wayne Douglas. Rice. Outright in the in the older style, and that was when it was I'm. COBB Rice or against fuel injection was that was the academic. Detailing lutes May. Question knowledge that have not seen was definitely a very quick and these become an absolutely probably the fastest individual guy historic pricing these days one at Monaco started last time round in a kind of unfenced ats which was just on the line good years. I'm going to jump into gets onto the next next call, which is another Ryan obvious. The Lost in art, and it's the only three thousand call on the Alley State Eighty Eight d which arrived one sensationally first time out and then went on to win the chances. Well, you're marine is is this new company three, Thousand Bucks I think? Ginned. Appeared as well. Is that against the remark with appearance. So first time out that. Stands out wrong. It was something that the rhinos tended to do and they did it in things like full. They WANNA rice with the very first food but. They WANNA rice defying the first rice with the former four thousand, the formulas three, the formula three, thousand Indycar absolutely extraordinary But again, formula three thousand at that point was very much multi mark and you had the the marches which were kind of on the wane little by then I think the role solicitors there was some. delores lower. At one point she now in in the years when I was covering at three thousand and kind of at seven. Early I. But. They will they were fantastic cause and the likes of for bus Merrick. Moreno. Wasn't running on a big budget did a just an incredible job and the reinold swoop very much the the class of the field and I don't know whether they rewrote the rules of formula three thousand but at the end of the day. They were prolific witness and that counts for law. Smokes. It's a nice mention, but it's probably not got the. Multiple mention. There hasn't really got this sort of groundbreaking old along jeopardy to really make it through to the latter stages. Is that fair? Yeah I think you'll Reynard really from Hei onwards. were false all the way through to that last knocking if they an original concepts formula three, thousand at the end of Nineteen, ninety, five when. Intense, I suspect when the championship I send. But at stage formula, three, thousand was just becoming horrendously expensive and and. Regrettably another class agree that hats guy down one make rates. ninety-six I'm even more aggressively with. If, we were going to put constantly ugliest genius time we could well. Include Fest Generation One make Lola. Formula Three thousand from ninety six Pitt said, yes I am the Raynaud's. And it we have we should be invading into three thousand discussion, but I can't see. Any individual formula three thousand. Got Through to have final as a little side are member. Roberta. Reina testing. On the Civil Sun Grand Prix circuit and if I'm if I'm writing what are cool. He was out in for typical of the era mixed test sessions CETERA and he said, Andy Rouse in a in a Sierra cosworth hours five hundred km past him in a straight line because the three thousand call made. a lot of downfalls and the. RS Five, hundred had about five hundred and sixty break that point which was significantly in advance of the right nod he said but the good thing was that Andy Rouse had to bright could. Be Some for style needed Bob. History bag tossed it, but he said it was very much Am this Roomba Roberto Marina who remember so fondly across so many categories but I, I met meeting at. Silverstone. It I came over to the academy was a bit of which have electricity and also sported managed to beg borrow blog whatever sort of. Motorhomes as a base for the weekend and generates it wouldn't work and someone realized that the marina knew what he was talking about electrics and. Being Tunnel Fella etc.. Code op this Generated what was on the side of the motorhome within Going and you know hats off to. Exactly multitasking he says blitz conduit. The next of GonNa come with a pair of coils Moxham if you. Today. So I'm going to challenge you to talk about then pick one as you'll find it. All might be not to guy through the Delara three nine, three on the extra lights. So. Yes. Took US through why you've chosen as to. I changed the three, nine three and the because. That was the Galera that completely made. The British market realized that that Laura was by far the best costs I up until. We've spent a lot of this Picasso talking about rolled some rain out and. Up until. The added Nineteen Ninety eight was a pretty much a Roe v right on battle. and the. Gem Shipping One budgie defending the. Rain out. Around, jet rising. Ninety three it was so. The Richard Donald developments take me to pun so. At the Laura for for. Warren Hayes and he was there a quick driver. It seemed became a evident that this was the cause of half and and. By midseason. Pulse jet racing eight Enbridge West sorry. Alan docking volts AC night where rule running a rural writing delores completely completely change the Malka I'm would. Wait wait already been saying to a lesser ex-, an extent in the continental European countries in the. In, the years of the nineties but the two thousand and eight call up rotated. At this stage. Formula Three a olmecs become one. Michael wasn't why at will some session and in the two thousand and eight? Had to move out at for example site. So that will skype for competition are Hanser had to have their wits about them, and because I couldn't just be complacent and build a build a rubbish call. Because I was like lose their market release quickly I gained it. And the reason why they? I liked. delauro is because it had a full year lifespan and two thousand and twenty eleven. Before before the rules changed for for two thousand twelve, the FAA today's New Safety Regulations Twenty twelve new generation of formula three cars. Which? Obviously we won't Cosby as safest possible by they I'm it did mean that some. The Twenty twelve own woods generation Octa Laura. which was the last of the old philosophy formula three and so new will make concept. Am but it was a little bit. Quite, a style as they. The Gay box. gave out seeing the twelve was SAM was. For a big a call and it was A. They. was bit higher. Say The the the highlight to eleven calls they the records at she stayed for quite a long time three. And Two thousand twelve generation car no just. Go to list of drivers he. was successful in the elect. who come back, Multahleb Beyond K. ultras. Sims Mary. Hartley McKay Pittman Anti fixed to Costa. Rosa Fist Alga. Suare synergy Paris. Max. Chilton. Daniel Ricardo van. For the Magnetic Magnusson Jack Holiday and that s a fantastic rape. Joy His refer we period. It coming solid with me. Covering. British G Tate package. And die were phenomenally quick paces as well. Perot 'cause not not so cumbersome as site the current FIFA three hours on C.. WAS GP three a lot white developed racing carside. Prefer flame spitting don't relatives but they were pretty pretty impressively Kuwait when you won't to qualifying session outside. Annette took him out there and at grossest. And if he won't want to. Talk about the greatest individual chassis in junior single seater history could bopha. Laura Thrill Lights Chassis sixty which. which was a To Colin to the two, thousand, eight season. and harming Alga Suare won the British Championship in two thousand and so Naro. Van Used that same call to win the championship. Daniel Ricarda. He's saying call to win the twins ten championship. And Philippe Natural. Sign caught win the twenty eleven championships i. That's. Unbelievable. That, they, I'm what is the cost of that one? Very very was the one that's hanging on the wall in. Reception area. Yes. It's I'm I'm adding the thing suits who you guys who relaxed cuts in that area upset about that. Other than of hugely impressed by the way that's jump Laura and his company got their act together because they've been around, he's been racing trip. Abbas. Such a long time decades but in the years when. They were building. I formula three thousand calls eighty seven whatever was absolute truck. It was massive and rather like One of the nineties roles that of kind of would do is three thousand chassis as well as a four hundred three. And you saw things like the the Lola. I Lola Formula Three, thousand and eighty five. That was effectively in indycar charged with up to the jungle hacked away almost imagine they could have hinged at the front and had the three thousand could have had. Three thousand much coming out of the back, maybe two or three of them and similar with the mets I Laura that doubled ously is the sort of militia, formula? One. Car The beginning of T. H. unfathomably. But we I saw the Tillerson In formula, three bit players with the likes of Rafael railed assaulted. Didn't. As an writing I think it's XP. Run. That COP. In. One thousand nine, hundred without success in the. To be fat Rafael. Appropriately didn't have. The right experience to get the most out of it because he'd come straight from from phobia fest and. Bill said Decade Eddie I remember saying Bobby Ryo and driving in the process grow in pre school rice in. In what was then called the Wolf Delara Number. It or I think that's probably the festival, our x Ray Yeah the they were sort of the DELARA. There was also very closely matched. Miliani, which was a similar thing. I will secure and Bovey in Belgium. Built some a couple of his own Bovi from three cows which bought the colon initially but then made the tubs themselves in Belgium as I just last week. I think we. Dolores place in the in the in the market as. You call. Every wealthy young can I count winning Olympia to? Single seaters die all by all the race. So on leaning towards the three nine three on the basis of kick starting inside sort of multiple generations of different categories for Delara. But Mark Simmons offing I'll let you have the last sale and this one is the the the lower expert and this particular period in suggesting lizzy happy a three on three. And I say, probably probably the. At Sydney was the ultimate. Car that you're right ninety eight. If we're talking about a car that. Had A significant influence on the nights. SPO- industry I would say that. Without. that. At. The lower net era of Delara and we wouldn't now. We may not now say dolores applying all the 'cause if I say Rafael April. Three Indy Lights. And like say a super full miracles in Japan say. Is from. Genesis we now see what we what we have today namaste come through and we go now that we've got another sort of doubling up. For the next on, which is t taxes entries. Sort of similar sort by a spurs ninety, five, ninety, six, which he suggested. I'm the fool ran I two thousand, which is the loss for a decade. So. Its significance in terms of the drugs that have been there is another high yet another high school. Similar question for Nice State Yeah. I am a guy back to. Very clear. wintery day at a small lead, Lebanon in the south of France and the other Marcus was there with me. And we had been invited while I run a UK say track test various offerings from the various formula Renault constructors and because at that time. The the category beim relieved out had gone. Seventeen hundred sixty engines and. It was now to Lisa cast great and like a Rhino UK broke the to Marcus is from the Guy I. Run a Jeremy am today at such. Light journalists as well, and that was the first time. Smile. Is An atrocious and wow, a just justly incredible and. We take for granted recently and now I really like this particular starting in racing 'cause because I think it's too much. But it was the first time on Saint Appropriate Shark fin on a Junius single season. Just look the most peaceful case. and. Because I'm at. Because I'm considerably. Older than the other Malkhas when When he drives our. Finishing his or six laps in and still sitting in the cockpit. Looking up at the. WAY WE'RE GONNA fit into this unless you're dug joins. Thing I couldn't fish in one of the other the Alpe. That was a really strange driving position and I was kind of wedged into that. must be faster than the. Absolute Best I remember some of these tests as we had such good fun on the early was there as well drive a whole bunch of cost, but I remember just coming back to the formula visualizes I pull went down to Poe on US little test track in the hills above the town and. We had a wonderful time. They brought Derek Bell down as the sort of the superstar guest who was going to introduce everybody will knows this cop. And They solicit to assemble multi triple. How many of the rest of you done erasing and? Richard Young from the island myself. STUCCO. Hands Up. They said, right? Three 'cause they usually go with Derek give it a good sort of battle on track and run around they would take each other's. Don't take each other off. So we had about fifty minutes charging around like lunatics brilliant. Remember We went back later on the afternoon to the airports and I was Derek and. And and Derek Is Rice. Bag on the on the counter check in lady said it wasn't Harry said though Could cost you know on the. Drive at and she said, don't lean it. Of French we've been successful we again in the most sangfroid and she was very impressed. As as what we will cost sharing the track with Derek Sir Brilliant and Some happy days when we could go back and. Go and have a player. I remember the day in lead very well, really Chris. Hold but Sunny Day up in the mountains and Happy. Days. And sure enough that no NC five Tutsis went on win. European. Championship within Odi. And then I remember. The British formula out at that stage was still very much fun David Swift. Lay Lamb. At were running Miguel's. Labor. Nestle. Bit Rife. An choosing juicy, French. And I am. Remembering, early, ninety, six and David Cook. Cooling me up at the in the office Deseo we've just we've just a couple of taxes when I was thinking, right this is going to be interesting and. I'm sure enough Cook ended up. Winning that year's U K championship in the polar listening in from from then on. Just completely. dominated the market the same way the Laura Earlier formula three I'm say that this significant car I think that's Fifty Thousand and Renai spoke in France. decided that. Was To. Everything else in guy one make. Didn't really see much difference because. That wasn't too much opposition the Tutsis by that stage anyway. and. They gave the contracts at tattoos. and. The f-faulty. Thousand. as it became naked ran all the way through to the end of two thousand, nine with some updates launched a complete generation of Formula One stuff he came through it and Texas produced over a thousand of them and this is just An absolutely. Incredible. Incredibly. Significant Call as far as far as I'm concerned in the fast fast championship. In two thousand in the UK was won by. Kevin. and. Then you know see we. Lewis Hamilton winning the jump ship and every three by the end of the decade. Across Europe is people that recalled a tester yeah. Winning, winning touch will say and. There is hardly a driver. He was up and coming in. Europe in. In Fest in the first decade of this median who didn't drive that car and for that reason I think. It's it's it deserves to be rice out there. Are Off having the NFL. Two thousand has to be just a decade with fairly minor tweaks, I. Think it's still pretty recognizable body from what I've been beginning and reunited replace it that didn't go terribly well. Today. Really refers. To replace route with a barrage absolute and it to turn into a bit of A. Bit of a disaster ready and they did get that car whacking but said. Sure enough after a couple of the the deal back again and carried on until the end if. They went to the region labor, it up. For that we know making so many cars let's not forget. It also formed the basis of the formula Toyota Celica. On, which is running New Zealand for such a long time and article going to New Zealand in two thousand and sakes. And the guy was running the championship Barrie Tomlinson who had seen rising Atlantic I went. At Ninety to ninety one. So don't you come down to to manifest that almost north to have a goal in the Toyota? So. Absolutely. Never look a gift horse in the mouth come on down. So we're there and Wangdi around for a half an hour or so and the guy. Teaching me how to drive the car and doing a fantastic job with none other than the young Brendon, Hartley who was about fifteen or something at the time and of course, went on sue significantly greater things and we joked about it one of the goodwood festival to speed later on and it was a happy night untested but a great car by some that some a runner. Absolutely I think, can I think that's the that said gets attacked us into the forgot seven. 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I just saw it should pay shipping. Solicited if you've got. A Now I think about. Two Hundred Hundred and fifty F. B. Made site file. Say you're talking about what a significant? And probably have another you're able to if he's going. To be guiding Halo in NAM. next year, I think it was going to be with us be put on hold by. Coronavirus. Doubt Selby some mole really talents come through before that costs finish. Yes. A woman for the futures he said when we can have to buy again in a he is time then is the latest fifty, one foam the full riddick. So, that brings us to the phone grouping and we've done well without manufactures represented who Renton bt six marched overnight city role t three van demon are if ninety Ronald from Roy polarities the lower three non street and the tax F- faulty thousands I reckon the main Jason Constructors of the last. Seven days a pretty, well represented. Onion mealy throw in. 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Honorable Mention Phone Virginia and And as you say that probably the seventy-two probably even your if ninety. So all. Long As. West pointing out with the the three. At formula. Three. And it was it was. At versions of that? Completely dominate the American single cease arresting the signs on the full Formula Atlantic on the FIFA Melissa they. Very much sidecar and as the race I I, it was a completely. Dominant Karavaiz Era That tariff it was revolutionary. Wasn't it just totally changed the look? Of the class it changed the complexion. In the McCain over providing dominant and. The fact that went on through significantly in terms of fully as as competitive 'cause eighty, one, eighty, two, eighty, three, eighty, four, end provided the the funnel push to get Stephanie Hansen that tonight and nine hundred titles well massively Shinkansen an Enron tarmac site a guy who had given us sensational production rising costs and. From nineteen, sixty, one former junior, the MD.. Right through. 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Effectively, started one make racing by default because it was so much better than anything else in terms of its fullness respect. The Aussie Naughty five brilliant bits occasions, well, which were very, very closely related. In a really if you look at Bash and look at the the other car came out of that era was the t to formula two car. Let's not forget that beget will ris Burns tolman which forty years ago. This year won the European Formula Two championship in the hands of Brian, engine and was as well. So you know it has significant influence that whole foul caused and the recently departed runs neck I think St. deserves to be. A king of junior racing heralded by ourselves because he was. At its pinnacle and evolving innovative caused, which was very, very successful through the sixties and seventies and eighties. And that's one hell of A. Time to serve at the coalface face when you can be found out very very quickly and. I'm show because he's a very nice chat and gian-franco. The debate is the that the top man at Texas would probably completely agree with their. Well then we got nothing with them. We've we've reached a conclusion wrote alcee, three is the oldest wolves crisis junior single seater. Of Time? So I'm not seeing cooperate British decide runs act. Don Fairly recently. said. I think a nice nice. To him as well. So let us know what you think on social media or email Melissa also also dot com car would you have gone for? Did we forget? Do we forget one seems unlikely with marks is we've got here I think we've probably got ice-covered do do. You have any other thoughts. Finish boy thanking marks fine mark. Simmons and some. Trouble, of Nali. And it's been a pretty just in Germany. I think through genius. Enjoyed it and thank you very much indeed.

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