9 Burst results for "Frank Deboer"

"frank deboer" Discussed on Caught Offside

Caught Offside

06:31 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on Caught Offside

"Name. Is patrick vieira. So let me set this one up for you okay. So when roy hodson left crystal palace after four seasons in charge he left with two records palaces highest points total in eighteen nineteen highest points total ever in the top flight and securing a record four seasons in the top flight four consecutive seasons. They'd never done it before. Who would you pick to take over from this. Ultra experienced old man of the premier league well palace decided upon patrick vieira If you knew exactly what you were. Getting from roy hodgson. That's less the case with the frenchman while he had a form of success at nyc afc even though all i can remember his bemused face when josie altidore. Toronto went to town at yankee stadium on them one time. What was it six nil or something. Niece didn't go very well and league on. And if you are a palace fan reading this from december twenty twenty you might be a bit concerned about your new appointment. So i read this. I did a bit of a snooping Because they didn't pay that much attention to his time at niece. I know that had wound good. Finishing his first season finished like fifth but everything after that was pretty bad. So this is from the guardian adam. White and eric devon veras philosophy was close to indecipherable when asked about his style of play by l'equipe upon his arrival at the club in two thousand. Eighteen air had been vague. I'll try to impose a style of play it with lots of one. Two's but play attacking football all while having a compact defensive block. He said taking risks scores money goals as possible is something that i'm ready to do what matters for me is getting the most out of my players. Why playing well. I don't think there is a system. Our style of play. That is better than another great coaches like marino bender. Guatemala have different philosophies but they all have one like like antonio conte as donut chelsea like that is one of the truly grit. Non answers are so this. Palisade is not exactly brimming quality so vieira needs ineffective effective method of play immediately and i got worried at the weekend. They played a friendly game. I think it was against waterford zaza. Scores two goals unh- vieira responds that. He wants to keep improving and to be more defensive minded right that i mean that suggested pragmatic approach but it also. Just what are you saying. Don't say stuff like this. This is one player you need to keep on site. The other players are up ritchie connor gala her They're going to be key. Creative players and vera needs to know exactly how he's going to get the best outta them. So i think straight away just like ronald kumon was ronald kumon ronald aboard ronald to bournemouth ranked divorce. What do i got there in the end. Frank deboer just like frank deboer came. In after sam allardyce it was experienced coach and then of premier league novice. This is an experienced coach and a premier league novice. I don't know why palace of donut. But i worry it's going to not it's going to blow up in their faces again. Well went so well with frank figure why not try to have history repeat itself i you know at least frank came in with with the more padded out. See you know he had championships at. Ix which did he have a championship bar. Did he have a. He had a cop or something at inter. You know i mean. What is vera bringing. I don't really have an answer to that. I mean reputation but that doesn't player not as much as manager. yeah. I don't know that's fair enough. The only reason i would tend. Well i just don't know the palace our that our club that would do that again. That would be willing to laugh. Nobody i'm saying do that again. In terms of firing a manager within his first season like are they a club that wants to keep having to pay out buyouts to managers club. That is the has to stay in the primarily. that's what they are true to So the two names that. Strike me for this Kind of this first one. I don't know. I don't know how i feel about this. But the first one that kinda just struck me was rafa benitez Yeah another first your manager. A couple of reasons for this one The sense that i have gotten from the fan bases that they are not happy about this appointment. Maybe that's just the people that i have spoken to or seen on twitter. But that's the sense. I guess it's bad early. It just feels like this could become really toxic really fast and then the other thing is is contract isn't necessarily massive now to clarify that. The money is massive but the years aren't so a buyout wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility especially with a billionaire. Far hot most cheery At the helm And and the other one. That i was thinking about was mckellar. Tessa so he was. He was appointed on december. Twenty second two thousand nineteen. So we're coming up on two years with him in charge doesn't sound like a ton of time but jj in today's soccer culture at a club like that two years is more than enough time to make a judgment on someone. I don't know that it's always fair. But that's just the reality of jobs clubs of arsenal stature right now. So and look. They backed and they just dropped. Fifty million On ben white indefens-. We'd we better not see the same sort of defensive shortcomings that have really plagued this team in past years or these. You know whispers are gonna turn louder as to whether or not. This has been the players. Fault or the manager's fault. So i do think there's there's some pressure on him there's blow morale it feels like around that club a little bit and when that happens. You can't fire the players. That's too good choices. Actually an unlock arsenal. At least in arteta's like coming into the the season just past teddy could say. Hey we had the fa cup now. What's he saying coming into this season. They have nothing. They're not even in europe. So you're dead right. They're not even in the europa conference. Not even in the kentucky fried league of europa. Were they in who they weren't in the florida cup either right now. If you're not in the florida forget about it. That was everton. yeah jj. There's an unbelievable thunderstorm happening outside of the studio right now. I are beautiful. Caught off i towers and like it. It's just constant lightning going on. I'm distracted by it. I'm in my apartment quite close to a window. So i feel safe really something that weather all right next one. Yes which club do you see making the biggest jump in the table from where they were a year ago to now or this season.

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"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

ESPN FC

05:48 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

"Getting from roy hodgson. That's less the case with the frenchman while he had a form of success at nyc afc even though all i can remember his bemused face when josie altidore. Toronto went to town at yankee stadium on them one time. What was it six nil or something. Niece didn't go very well and league on. And if you are a palace fan reading this from december twenty twenty you might be a bit concerned about your new appointment. So i read this. I did a bit of a snooping Because it didn't pay that much attention to his time at niece i know that had wound good. Finishing his first season finished like fifth but everything after that was pretty bad. So this is from the guardian adam. White and eric devon veras philosophy was close to indecipherable when asked about his style of play by l'equipe upon his arrival at the club in two thousand. Eighteen air had been vague. I'll try to impose a style of play it with lots of one. Two's but play attacking football all while having a compact defensive block. He said taking risks scores money goals as possible is something that i'm ready to do what matters for me is getting the most out of my players. Why playing well. I don't think there is a system. Our style of play. That is better than another great coaches like marino. Bender guardiola have different philosophies but they all have one like like antonio conte as donut chelsea like that is one of the truly grit. Non answers are so this. Palisade is not exactly brimming quality so vieira needs an effective method of play immediately and i got worried at the weekend. They played a friendly game. I think it was against waterford. Zaza scores two goals and vieira responds. That he wants to keep improving and to be more defensive minded right that i mean that suggests suggested pragmatic approach but it also. Just what are you saying. Don't say stuff like this. This is one player you need to keep on site. The other players are apparat cheesy connor gala her They're going to be key. Creative players and vera needs to know exactly how he's going to get the best outta them. So i think straight away just like ronald kumon was ronald kumon ronald aboard ronald to bournemouth ranked divorce. What do i got there in the end. Frank deboer just like frank deboer came. In after sam allardyce it was experienced coach and then of premier league novice. This is an experienced coach and a premier league novice. I don't know why palace of donut. But i worry it's going to not it's going to blow up in their faces again. Well went so well with frank figure why not try to have history repeat itself i you know at least frank came in with with the more padded out. See you know he had championships at. Ix which did he have a championship bar. Did he have a. He had a cop or something at inter. You know i mean. What is vera bringing. I don't really have an answer to that. I mean reputation but that doesn't player not as much as manager. yeah. I don't know that's that's fair enough. The only reason i would ten well. I just don't know the palace our that our club. That would do that again. That would be willing to laugh. Nobody i'm saying do that again. In terms of firing a manager within his first season like are they a club that wants to keep having to pay out buyouts to managers club. That is the has to stay in the primarily. That's what they are. That's true to So the two names that. Strike me for this Kind of this first one. I don't know. I don't know how i feel about this. But the first one that kinda just struck me was rafa benitez Yeah another first your manager. A couple of reasons for this one The sense that i have gotten from the fan bases that they are not happy about this appointment. Maybe that's just the people that i have spoken to or seen on twitter. But that's the sense. I guess it's bad early. It just feels like this could become really toxic really fast and then the other thing is is contract isn't necessarily massive now to clarify that. The money is massive but the years aren't so a buyout wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility especially with a billionaire. Far hot most jewelry at the helm And and the other one. That i was thinking about was mckellar. Tessa so he was. He was appointed on december. Twenty second two thousand nineteen. So we're coming up on two years with him in charge doesn't sound like a ton of time but jj in today's soccer culture at a club like that two years is more than enough time to make a judgment on someone. I don't know that it's always fair. But that's just the reality of jobs clubs of arsenal stature right now. So and look. They backed and they just dropped. Fifty million On ben white indefens-. We'd we better not see the same sort of defensive shortcomings that have really plagued this team in past years or these. You know whispers are gonna turn louder as to whether or not. This has been the players. Fault or the manager's fault. So i do think there's there's some pressure on him there's blow morale it feels like around that club a little bit and when that happens. You can't fire the players. That's too good. Choices actually look arsenal. At least in arteta's like coming into the the season just past teddy could say. Hey we had the fa cup now. What's he saying coming into this season. They have nothing. They're not even in europe. So you're dead right. They're not even in the europa conference. Not even in the kentucky fried league of europa. Were they in who they weren't in the florida cup either right now. If you're not in the florida forget about it. That was everton. yeah jj. There's an unbelievable thunderstorm happening outside of the studio right now. I are beautiful caught. I towers and like it. It's just constant lightning going on. I'm distracted by it. I'm in my apartment quite close to a window. So i feel safe really something that weather all right next one..

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"frank deboer" Discussed on ExtraTime

ExtraTime

05:10 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on ExtraTime

"I don't know about. I want to pose. Don't bring into that. I was feeling good about. Us soccer and all that stuff again. Please don't bring me back there Shadow gago fire. Alleging gonzales cigars though doing things seventeenth but the legacy of that is that's unacceptable answer the roster for atlanta is good enough to be competitive. The difference and the issue is kaelin mentioned. The three coaches one of them built his roster for the way he wanted to play and the other two inherited and then affected transfers. And as much as you say. Frank to borgata signings didn't know who matteis rossetto was before he got atlanta like he gave profiles of players in the atlanta front office went out and got the players that they could to fit those profiles among remember frank with jillian gristle was traded. For instance was sort of like. I don't think that was a great idea. Like i would've rather had julian gristle and hind say was able to bring in players that he knew from argentina. Marcelino marino was already on the roster. Wasn't a piece. You could move so they are now following the same trend and not just bringing looking for a successful overseas manager but also saddling them with a roster that's fully loaded and you have to be smart about making sure that the manager wants to work with the pieces that are there because if the manager has ideas of this is how big picture i wanna play and that fits what you want. And then he gets there and says well. None of these players can do the things that i need. Then you've already lost again and that's the lesson you have to learn mainly from hindsight but also boras. What is the process of setting this manager up in your club clearly. Hindsight didn't have the support the guidance to understand. Mls rules dot understand the culture and environment and to understand what he could affect with the club in clearly. Frank deboer had a bunch of things going on as well. I'm not going to get into that. I guess they both at other things going on. But like that's the worry for me with atlanta. Is you hindsight. Go and seven days. In you've got paulo fonseca interviewing your rumored to sign another big time player on a roster that has some long term contracts now because you just sign a bar you just signed sosa. You just signed franco..

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"frank deboer" Discussed on ExtraTime

ExtraTime

03:18 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on ExtraTime

"I haven't said orlando in reference to that rivalry when talking on this show and come back to a ten la galaxy portland timbers not thereto. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to try to sell you a false bill of sale here have your is not going to play in this match. Greg didn't say it but he did said he's like is literally. I don't think we'll risk him in this one and that's a good thing. Keep him under wraps will get to assign in the could help replace. Some of those minutes of teachers still has issues but on this orlando city. Atlanta one orlando we know there. There's sort of ravage right now. Injuries absences. But i was curious because the narrative used to be and i'm a big part of this narrative that atlanta united and the father joseph martinez were utterly dominant over orlando city. So i wanted to go back and see the last time atlanta one in the regular season. It was august. Twenty nineteen frank. Deboer was the honorable manager of the five stripes and james o'connor was leading the lions with his safari hats and whatnot. Here's the lineup. For atlanta united net game. And that'll tell you a lot about what happened to the club. And how much has changed joseph martinez up top boom barco pity martinez behind barca's the olympics. He won't be available for this. Pity of course sold gun. Just in miramar left wingback. Rometty nagy in the midfield. All of them gone just joined wrestle. Right back gone. Florentine gone miles robinson he's able won't be available l. Gp gone braga's on. He's in the team but won't be available. So you have one player from that entire levin who'll be available and the subs vr jeff reynolds awards and emerson item and none of them available so in this match. Not even two years later one man. Joseph martinez is the lone thread. That's the only threat that extends can orlando line changed. I did that was different to prevent over bad then. Kaelin completely different now. All right all right. Yeah artisans robbery standard. This point and i know this is not like we're all full while full-strength like you know decision day playoff style battle here. What's the state of the rivalry in in In the main. I think atlanta's playing against themselves and a lot of ways right now like i think that there at in a position where they're not there. They'll use the rivalry game. Maybe some extra motivation to get up. But i think the real the real battle has been to try and find their form and try and find their their own form. Which you know the i think the last couple of games you've seen maybe a little bit of a different style where they're trying to be a little bit more attacking minded and and i think sometimes even when you just get a new coach a fresh fresh face. Come in. get some positivity back into the team does sound like things have gotten really bad there. Right so I don't know how much it'll be. So the rivalry so much in this game than just trying to find their own footing and get things back on track. Shutout to rob valentino. Who's who is the interim head coach former teammate. Back in the day but he was also new orleans city player which written adding. There's a westchester..

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"frank deboer" Discussed on Caught Offside

Caught Offside

03:38 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on Caught Offside

"Tweeted this on july. Aiding so two days ago. A person familiar with frank deboer. And i'm being serious. Said he would be glad to return to atlanta united and mls. So one hat is in the ring. There's something there is something deeply deeply tragic though about the frank deboer managerial story. These last few years like comic tragedy. Just i can't tell you how good a larry was. I can't tell you how the deboer name was revered and football. Yeah and this is while. He's the punchline on this podcast now yeah kind of not what you want. No no. Thank you joe girardi. That's about it for part. One of this podcast. Jj i actually one more thing the last thing. I want to say that. Doug was talking about there. Because i meant to mention this guy earlier but back to the gold cup for one last second here okay. I know. we talked about some of the concerns. I did want to say about james sands how good he's looked. So far that has been encouraging miles. Robinson has also looked very good. I saw kristen ran was talking about him. He said miles in particular saves us so much running with his one. V one defending such a fantastic guy to watch and the way he covers. Ground is something that we love about miles so he has been bright spot. And then the most intriguing one which i mentioned last week's podcast and i'll say it again today. I'm so glad that shack moore scored a goal. Because i feel like statistically that kind of validates how good he has looked to see that he does have a goal in that column next to his name because he has been so interesting and like doug talked about and we said last week as well there is a log jam now at right back and this moving forward in this gold cup. I am genuinely curious to see how greg bear halter handles this. Because like doug said reggie cannon is the first team player had. He not suffered his injury before this tournament. He would be starting and we would not be seeing shack. More accepting cameo appearances may be against martinique. We would've seen a more. But that is reggie cannons job and shack. More right now is doing absolutely everything in his power to force. Greg bear halter into making the most difficult decision than he'll have to make in this tournament. Potentially because jack moore has been excellent. And i don't know how you take him out with the way. He's playing now. Maybe his leashes shorter. Now that reggie cannon healthy again maybe you just kind of move forward with the sense of okay like you have earned the spot you've done. Great will go forward but just know there's a guy banging on your door who is ready to play so at the first sign of trouble. Maybe he gets yanked out of there. But i give him credit. I give credit because he got this opportunity and he is making it really really hard for greg. Bear hall to pull them out of there so His case in particular will be interested in going forward. Just want to get get that out there. Because he's been good. You scored the fastest goal in us. History yeah it was really something. What a start. What a start shades of dempsey against ghana. Just awesome sh the gold cup. All right jake. We'll take a very quick break when we come back a couple of news and notes here also want to mention the. Us women as they get set to embark upon their quest for olympic gold. And of course of course. Jj red-carded man-of-the-match like we do every week so all of that coming up. Don't go anywhere we'll be back with more when you think of the best of the best in sports journalism who do you think of. Maybe tim bontemps raina banks here at. Espn like vicaro of the new york. Post rachel acts on from usa today. And of course woge adrian mo- generosity of the woes pot..

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"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

ESPN FC

06:57 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

"Now why do you want the drama and also to top things off if there's one player you cannot alienate on atlanta. You simply can't do it. It's joseph martinez. Don't you just love. The i like i was saying to doug. I just picture this in my head of like joseph martinez walking over to grab a bottle of water and gabriella of being just like. What are you think you're doing. How do you think joseph martinez would respond to that. Like oh i just imagine his face. I think he'd last. Like i think he would just lie. I don't think he's a guy he doesn't strike me as a guy who would get angry getting a shouting match. I think he just kinda liked smile. Laugh drink the bottle water and then probably like throw the empty bottle of gabriel heights is fee. That's what i i think. He would remain laughing as he choked. A second off front of you know unbelievable stuff crazy. Really crazy but Yeah it's and i also think. I tried to tease it out a bit with with dog. Which is this like you know. They talk about the nfl. A copycat league coach does another coach will do that kind of that kind of thing and soccer in many ways is not maybe not a copycat league but a a world of where there are accepted truths on one of the accept truth is that be elsa klopp style football and that kind of intensity is absolutely what you need to be doing. And you shouldn't deviate away from anything on. Atlanta literally tried to re energize the spirit of a previous manager and taught domenichino abi elsa disciple to and it's just blown up spectacularly in their faces and i am so curious to see what direction they go in. No i mean. Where do they go now. Because that loop rindt stop who print has burned. I'll tell you what a A certain dutch manager with some atlanta history is now available. Suddenly the frank four years. Don't feel so bad do they. He said did. Did i hear a quote a did. I miss misread this or is this. Was this some fever kidding me. I'm kidding everyone. I know but did i read an and our listeners will will tommy i. I see where too much information on the internet. But that deboer devore's agents said he would be open to a return or something like that. Oh really yeah. Maybe i. Maybe i wasn't. You know what. I had not seen that you talk a little bit and i'm going to have a look at. I'm going to a look for that. Because i surely saw it somewhere. May maybe maybe they try ronald aboard this time. Yeah and based on ronald's own comments about his brother. It seems like their philosophies are actually quite different so maybe maybe that would actually be beneficial and workout for them. I don't know i don't know what they do. I will say somewhat. Doug had to say about the The hierarchy at atlanta. And some of what you've said you know boccanegra seemingly having a falling out with tom martino and cat like then from there going the route from they're going the heintze route like atlanta those guys heels bocanegra have experienced in an incredible amount of success in a very short window. They have energized that fan base. In a way that we almost haven't seen elsewhere in terms of you know teams who have just like exploded on the map and can immediately put seventy five thousand people in stadiums consistently so they. They've done an amazing job. But you're right like at a certain point like divorce was probably strike one This was definitely a manager who has seventeen games and that's a falling out with an entire team. That is very much. That isn't emphatic. Strike to now. I don't know if they're working to turn them into human prunes i. I don't know if they're working on three strikes system here because they definitely built up a lot of equity with how they built this game. I said but these are. These are now things that are starting to build. And they're gonna have to get this next one right Doug roberson of the ajc. Which is the atlanta journal constitution newspaper. Doug is there reporter. He tweeted this on july. Aiding so two days ago. A person familiar with frank deboer. And i'm being serious. Said he would be glad to return to atlanta united and mls. So one hat is in the ring. There's something there is something deeply deeply tragic though about the frank deboer managerial story. These last few years like comic tragedy. Just i can't tell you how good a larry was. I can't tell you how the deboer name was revered and football. Yeah and this is while. He's the punchline on this podcast now yeah kind of not what you want. No no. Thank you joe girardi. That's about it for part. One of this podcast. Jj i actually one more thing the last thing. I want to say that. Doug was talking about there. Because i meant to mention this guy earlier but back to the gold cup for one last second here okay. I know. we talked about some of the concerns. I did want to say about james sands how good he's looked. So far that has been encouraging miles. Robinson has also looked very good. I saw kristen ran was talking about him. He said miles in particular saves us so much running with his one. V one defending such a fantastic guy to watch and the way he covers. Ground is something that we love about miles so he has been bright spot. And then the most intriguing one which i mentioned last week's podcast and i'll say it again today. I'm so glad that shack moore scored a goal. Because i feel like statistically that kind of validates how good he has looked to see that he does have a goal in that column next to his name because he has been so interesting and like doug talked about and we said last week as well there is a log jam now at right back and this moving forward in this gold cup. I am genuinely curious to see how greg bear halter handles this. Because like doug said reggie cannon is the first team player had. He not suffered his injury before this tournament. He would be starting and we would not be seeing shack. More accepting cameo appearances may be against martinique. We would've seen a more. But that is reggie cannons job and shack. More right now is doing absolutely everything in his power to force. Greg bear halter into making the most difficult decision than he'll have to make in this tournament. Potentially because jack moore has been excellent. And i don't know how you take him out with the way. He's playing now. Maybe his leashes shorter. Now that reggie cannon is healthy again maybe you just kind of move forward with the sense of okay like you have earned the spot you've done. Great will go forward but just know there's a guy banging on your door who is ready to play so at the first sign of trouble. Maybe he gets yanked out of there. But i give him credit i give credit because he got this opportunity and he is making it really really hard for greg. Bear hall to pull them out of there so his case in particular will be interested in going forward. Just want to get get that out there because he's been good. He's scored the fastest goal in.

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"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

ESPN FC

02:33 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

"Was over. Injured had an enormous amount of injuries. No wonder they were on a game. Losing chess schedule or skid and joseph martinez you ostracize the club's biggest star the biggest personality the one player. The fans have a true feeling for to engage before he pushed him aside. Once that happened. it was over. So let's credit some of the reporting because it was brilliant reporting done on this the athletic the atlanta journal constitution act former colleague. Here at espn as well. Doug mcintyre now over at fox did a great job on some of the granular detail a macintosh acquiesce behind behind. What's happened here so you've hired gabrielle. Heinsohn on the heels of hiring frank deboer. I'm less interested now in hindsight and wondering. Who's hiring the coaches. If we're looking at an atlanta united team that seems to be in decay. Don't we need to look further up now. This is too big bold. Coaching hires that have been too big bold coaching failures. Now isn't this on darren. Eales and carlos bocanegra dare neal's and my former teammate and friend carlos book are definitely on the hook and not just. The coaching hires and fires. But also the player personnel on. How they've got completely this roster all wrong if you look at the amount of money that atlanta has wasted and coaching hires and player turnover. It's no wonder they are where they are today. And it also should tell you how lucky they were with that martino how they knocked it out the park with them and how instrumental probably was in bringing talent in in retailing talent and building a roster because the last two rosters. They've tried to build have not been good so this next this next higher for them is literally make or break for one of these two. If not both absolutely they are on the hook. So if i look bigger picture here her i see joseph martinez winning out and a one on one battle with gabrielle. Heintze elsewhere in the league. See josie altidore winning out on one on one battle with chris. Armas these are two of the stars if you want to call them that the stars of major league soccer of this league do do these players. Have too much power when it comes actually. Who's in charge of the dressing. Foos in charge of these clubs. You know you said this last week and it made me think you're absolutely right sevi- and it's because these clubs are handcuffed when it comes to the salary cap when you're going to literally construct your roster around three players you have to completely knock it out the park with these players. They have to produce for you. Not only on the field but off the field and if you miss if.

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"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

ESPN FC

07:36 min | 1 year ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on ESPN FC

"Two young unveiled omar further back anyway and we praise by now with everybody can bring your phone but he still held them. They vague so i thought it was gonna be a big onus on defying. I was thinking about what you said before. About harry king. You know putting a lineup. In to serve your best players. Difference maker defy. I think represents a much. Bigger percentage of the dutch attacking output. Then cain does for because came to other guys around him. Do we think this formation suits deploy no no toy and it was good but look at look at the first chance neon where he runs for fifty yards on. This is and i think if you play the four three and he's a force number nine and you've got to lingers who going to run into the space the he will free and this is too much and that's where they did so with kumon fables he played in a two he plays in a lot of leeann. But obviously it's different. Yes it's a two and a four four two as opposed to having gone on hold and we'll and dumfries. Yeah as your. There's just a quality gap there. Yeah again and and does wing box. You play you play. The through five is to pr- across his in right and that's said cost is one of the best of the board in european football right now. That's fourteen crosses in the game yesterday on sunday night on four of those success. We're so it's not even a few using system you're playing in the is so controversial and everybody is talking about and use it to his to his best to make the most of it s not and i think there's a there's a quality to with dumfries. Manhole are and things badly but they're not. There's a reason they're not stars ordinary players. I have no idea about dumfries by van. Whole played in a four For most most of his career certainly here in england and all of a sudden. I seems like a weird distinction when you when you play in four. You're almost always start your either overlapping or you're getting the ball. You played in front of you when you play in a five. You are a lot of times getting your the ball with your back to the opposition goal. You have to turn such washington running into space. It's just. It's a very very different interpretation. You need to be able to do that. You need to be technically i think. More proficient than van holt and dump reserve and you can have a talking football even four. We saw that we take for example here so it's no other understand this obsession that he has his back five when you don't even make the most of formation and you could still have so much input into different formation with the place that you have all right because it's called the gavin joe show and i'm one half of it. I'm gonna digress. Is something completely different. Because i put this out on twitter last night and i was shocked by the responses. Okay okay. i haven't had time to think about this. I'm going by. I said just for all the twenty four managers in euros if we're talking about technical ability as a player. Yeah i gave my top five. Okay okay that's good because let's just quickly keep this week have done features on those managers managers who were plays before and ten stories stories of who they were up as planned so montereau of course and they show so curious to see show. I'm not gonna argue that. These were that these are the best player. I'm not ranking them. Bye bye bye bye bye bye. Who's the best. just who is the most technically gifted. Who was the most when they were playing. Yes right so let us be very clear. There's a very different is easy. Who mancini thank you. Thank you surely want. Hov to i had all these people. No shave was much more skillful than machida. When she couldn't get into the italy side regularly shave and one the balance. Thank you. thank you This for me. I'm with you a very very gifted as well. I if you want to show is a better player than that's fine. You can go ahead and hold that opinion but in terms of technical ability. There's no compare. Thank you and then my three after gene trevor. There's obviously gap between but then my next three were policies are young and frank. Deboer yet people come back. Oh dish along. Did the bishop come on. Take take up. Thank you right. I need my beige. Boy was a better player than frank de boer at a better career with the voting. Go for it but with the ball right definitely. Why do people struggle to understand this concept. I don't remember is a long time ago amongst your followers. There's a lot of people who have only seen in play but it's not like it's not like i mean shaver monchy. All these guys were a long time ago mancini's even even older than chevra. I think a love pleasure. Followers who listen to the show was to show that. I'm more familiar. Maybe we should've at mancini as a player as in the mansion from the eighty s late eighty s beginning of nineties. I guess so. I'm just going to drop a little thing about mancini. One of the most difficult things that he had to deal with any spoken about this. Because this is a guy who had sixteen was started. Touring scored nine goals as as a sixteen year old city. Ouch unheard of back. Then is the fact that he's so much more talented than everybody else anybody. He's ever played with her coach. What are the big frustrations was that when he became a coach. Lots of eriksson's assistant. They took over his head coaches or go but having to work with people who could do the things he did. Glenn hoddle spoke about this and i can imagine practical frustrated straightaway away right but it was two things one is. They couldn't see pass as a movement like you could see them but anyway could see and they had no idea how to execute them. You know. I remember no story. Somebody told me about glenn hoddle at chelsea where he's talking to his to a centrebacks and and he's saying like okay so if the ball comes in like this you just just turn and then with the outside of your foot you open it up the other way here like this and he goes and he does it and they look at him as i always fine. It's fine for you to do you expect me to do that. I know the same. He had reservations with france. And that's the only spoke. I realized it was not meant for but if they could not do something attorneys. Okay giving the the saying this is how you and then would do it. Although he been retired for ten years and they were all in their prime. How embarrassing these players. But it's a fun question. Also i also told people by suggesting that i thought was actually more technically gifted than than by joe even either people i know that controversial view whatever but other people may dispute but guys technique is one aspect of the game which has nothing to do with how well you read. The game does not nothing to do with how. What a great athlete you are. Who's faster does he do. Is more mentally strong yet. We've seen so many hugely gifted technical players who never make but is important when you're a coach because part of your function is pedagogical. It is understanding what your players can bring. And so i think it. Generally it works against super technical managers in many not all pep guardiola was technically really really good. But you know obviously hasn't stopped him. Go on cry. Was also tactic. But i just thought it was interesting. Great debate. I was.

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"frank deboer" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

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06:17 min | 2 years ago

"frank deboer" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"They probably just showed the highlight tapes of him at River and kind of forgot what he had done Atlanta United. To get that that extra four million because you know a player who was brought in and played thirty two games only five goals in that insists that that's not good enough. How how were you getting eighteen million dollars for a player who hasn't lived up to the bill? I've got seven goals. Eleven assists in thirty nine regular season games but it's still holds the thing that I would say about all this. Is that they didn't really give pity the best opportunity to succeed. I don't personally think Tom Martino was such an integral part of all of this and I'm sure that was part of what Pretty Martinez looked at it and said, yes, this is the right place for me to go Atlanta United I have sort of like a kindred soul I have a countryman Delina on. and. Even if they bring somebody else in sort of that ethos will stay this attacking style where I can get out and run be at my best because I'm at my best in the open field very similarly to mogilny he probably looked at me Ronin thought. Oh. Yeah. I can do all that I'm a more proven player than this guy I've done more than he has a club level by far. And it just didn't happen because they switched everything up they switched up their tactics the they switched up the star players going into this year. Their coach clearly did not have the locker room. There was a dysfunction at a lack of unity that definitely was not there before and now pretty Martinez is the guy who has to come in not knowing the city not knowing the league not knowing the situation, not knowing any of this and find a way to integrate without amount of pressure like the amount of pressure on him. Run didn't face that just have Martinez didn't face that I. I can't there haven't been a lot of players who have faced and I know he had that River Plate I know that he felt that there but this is different that was his home. That's where he belonged. That's where he was part of that community had to push his way into this one and it just never happened the thing I worry about. Forlani night enforced sort of the idea of we go to South America and pull the Army Rhone, which is get an up and coming talent and slip them Europe get money from it, and also increase our ability to recruit what does this mean for that pipeline. Because if I'm a twenty year, old twenty, one, twenty, two, twenty, three year, old Clare in South America I'm not thinking I want to go to Saudi Arabia twenty seven I'm thinking I want to go to Europe so it works like dollars and cents, but does work for their larger scheme. That is what I would ask. There's a question for you dave is putting as a bust, but we look back on this. Tenure transfer. This entire saga. Whoa Oh, the lasting impression be pretty. Martinez in Atlanta United probably nothing I think Atlanta. United fans won't talk about him. It'll be one of those things like remember when he played for them but I agree with what you were saying you were saying in Atlanta point of view of like. What does this mean for future signings? Actually think it might hurt the League in general. This was such a high profile move and had the ability I think to be game changing moving look Renault. So just signed. Christian Jones playing well, like there will still be good players coming from South America but PT was a unique one in that. He just won that award it just one Copa Live for river. Any was a little older than those guys I don't think it was A. Come here and then go to Europe move for PT I. Think this was where he was going to make his name and that is a really cool scenario to have had an MLS because guys like Larry Nacho biondi were in the twilight of their career and they did those things but not in the same way and I thought that this had a potential to be something special and I'm sad that it didn't have the sound from on the field because when he saw flashes. Of It the guy's awesome at soccer and he can be really special I. WE talked about it with Sleepiq not really good got and in this whole time of struggling was I to do interviews in a team. Let's be real that not everyone always wants to speak was always quick to answer and say it's on me never blamed Frank Deboer. said it even in Argentina all those things I think he's shown to be a good guy and I, thought it had the potential to. Be like this is it. Now, you can play at Flamengo or you complain MLS which would have been epic and it might still happen but that's too bad where they go from here I think what we've seen and what you have to be smart about right now is there a deals available and we've talked about it a little bit. The low end deals are going to get hurt five, million, seven, million dollars in below like Paul Scenario said, that's GonNa hurt molest molest Sally. But. I think what we've seen? Austin. She has done. There is moves out there available because the transfer markets are broken they're a little weird. Some teams are struggling so I don't think Atlanta guarantee either GONNA get someone. Have to be open to the idea that someone you didn't think you could afford or someone you didn't think you could get now is all of a sudden avail I completely agree with that. What I would say about pitying Atlan united is I think this will be remembered as sort of a package deal that will be remembered as a team that was at the very top or felt that way, and then I think the biggest mistake is the Frank Tibur mistake. That's the mistake that had the trickle down. Have the domino effect all throughout this robs or whether it be. Julian. G- wrestle or whether it be a Joseph Martinez reportedly wasn't happy a good chunk of last year pity Martinez Ezekiel. Barco. Like you needed somebody who was going to level up your investments and instead of doing that you had to hit the reset button like they basically, it wasn't a rage quit but they basically had to be like, oh, whoops up we hit the button and the weird the game got reset everything is lost our save his dawn we've got start over. There and it's incredible to me that this is where Atlanta united is given where they were posted less cup glow given where they were at the end of Summer Tinos ran given where they were and where we thought that they would be. Right now, and they're just not there. Would send someone into Summer Charlie. Would you go and make a big signing this summer? Would you replace Martinez or would you wait around and look for manager? We don't know maybe they I wrote this maybe they know who their manager is going to be, and they either can't get him out of contract right now or they're just not ready to announce it in the middle of this pandemic maybe they're already talking to somebody and saying you're going to be the guy who should we go? GET HELP GUIDE US I don't know that but I do think it would be. Rash let's say to continue on this same path where there's a disconnect.

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